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| 00:16.35 | DANtheBEASTman | So, any ideas on how to get nm-applet to work without running it as root? I'm pretty sure this only started happening since I stopped using a display manager and using startx instead |
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| 00:23.22 | DANtheBEASTman | The reason I think the lack of DM is the problem is because I had the same issue with Arch, except it worked when I launched X with startx, but not with xinit.. |
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| 00:29.23 | DANtheBEASTman | just confirmed: nm-applet doesn't work properly when using startx/xinit, but works when launching with slim |
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| 00:30.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hello I am setting up a Debian based mini-ITX NAS box. On a test machine I have installed "minidlna" package. In the configuration file I set the media directory to "/home/user/Videos". Try to restart the service and it says permission denied. Im not sure what I need to change permissions on. The folder/files in the users home folder, the minidlna group, user account permissions, or all of the above. Not sure what I am doing wrong. |
| 00:30.28 | bfortified | DANtheBEASTman, has something do with polkit if i remeber right |
| 00:30.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | I think the default directory is /var/lib/minidlna I think |
| 00:31.22 | DANtheBEASTman | bfortified: i'm sure it does, any idea how to fix it? |
| 00:31.50 | bfortified | DANtheBEASTman, i had to use this in my .xinit "#exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session" |
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| 00:37.00 | sethdisgruntled | Anybody else reporting boot errors after upgrade? |
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| 00:38.35 | afernandez | hello may i ask a question on nfs? |
| 00:38.37 | sethdisgruntled | I just installed the security upgrades that were available in my software manager. Then I rebooted and around the point you'd expect my X Window to show up it gives me some error about /var/lib/gdm3/ICEauthority. |
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| 00:40.00 | DANtheBEASTman | bfortified: oh wow that totally fixed it, thanks a lot! |
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| 00:44.16 | DANtheBEASTman | my next question (sorry, don't hate me) is how can I make pm-suspend and reboot work without using sudo? |
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| 00:49.02 | DANtheBEASTman | would policykit have something to do with it? |
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| 00:50.56 | sethdisgruntled | Okay, the directions I found online suggested to rm the /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority* files. I did that, rebooted, and now everything seems to be working fine. Does anybody see any potential hazard with having done that? |
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| 00:54.04 | Delf | Is it OK to use pastebinit for things other than Debian? For example, if I have issues with a program I'm running on Debian. |
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| 01:06.13 | jimcooncat | can I get my dell service tag from the terminal? |
| 01:07.01 | cusco | don't think so, but i'm not sure |
| 01:07.04 | cusco | try dmidecode |
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| 01:09.29 | jimcooncat | cusco, thanks, I got the serial number! |
| 01:09.57 | cusco | :) |
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| 01:13.54 | bfortified | DANtheBEASTman, i dont think its polkit on that one, you should be able to edit visudo so that sudo pm-suspend doesnt require pword input |
| 01:14.55 | bfortified | DANtheBEASTman, I use this for reboot "%users ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot" |
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| 01:18.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hello I can not for the life of me get minidlna media server to follow a couple folder links. Is this possible? |
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| 01:26.18 | DANtheBEASTman | bfortified: yeah I've been messing with visudo, I think I just cracked it |
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| 01:53.24 | fommil | hi all.. the libatlas-test package is supposed to be dynamically linked… but ldd doesn't show any dependency on libblas. Have these been compiled statically by accident? |
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| 01:57.22 | nonconvergent | Does Wheezy use /usr/share/xsessions/lightdm-xsession.desktop or /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop at all? I tried changing the exec line in xfce.desktop to bash -l -c to get it to act as a login shell so it would source ~/.bash_profile |
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| 02:15.08 | mrproper | Is it a bad idea to have / be in an LVM |
| 02:15.22 | phogg | I would not say bad, no. |
| 02:15.50 | phogg | There have historically been some issues with doing it, mostly having to do with bootloaders not knowing how to read from lvm |
| 02:16.10 | mrproper | phogg: But if I am using only Debian on the system, that should reduce risk I'd expect |
| 02:16.30 | phogg | mrproper: my understanding is that it works just fine now, and certainly will be OK if you use debian's installer to set it up |
| 02:16.38 | mrproper | Exactly what I'm doing. Thanks. |
| 02:16.43 | phogg | does not personally use an lvm root |
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| 02:17.51 | mrproper | phogg: I'm erasing the data on a 750GB drive, I expect this should take a while |
| 02:18.10 | nonconvergent | Depends on the speed of the drive. |
| 02:18.30 | nonconvergent | and the number of blocks your write to at a time. |
| 02:19.27 | nonconvergent | I'm gonna reiterate my question. Prepare yourselves. |
| 02:19.29 | mrproper | I think it's a 5400. I don't recall the other specs |
| 02:19.55 | nonconvergent | Does Wheezy use /usr/share/xsessions/lightdm-xsession.desktop or /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop at all? I tried changing the exec line in xfce.desktop to bash -l -c to get it to act as a login shell so it would source ~/.bash_profile |
| 02:21.08 | nonconvergent | I ~need~ a modified PATH to be exposed to the environment itself for lightdm/xfce/xmonad to see my local ~/.cabal |
| 02:22.29 | mrproper | phogg: I'm giving Debian a whirl on my server after years on Ubuntu |
| 02:23.46 | mrproper | If I have a non-LVM drive do I need to erase it in full to make it LVM and create mount points on it |
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| 02:27.02 | CheckDavid | how does one login as guest on Debian? |
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| 02:28.09 | nonconvergent | CheckDavid: one makes a guest account then uses the guest password. |
| 02:28.37 | nonconvergent | In otherwords, there's no such thing as a guest, only users. |
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| 02:31.34 | CheckDavid | oh, I see |
| 02:31.43 | CheckDavid | there should be something like guest |
| 02:32.08 | CheckDavid | how do I make a guest account ? |
| 02:32.12 | CheckDavid | or any account for that matter |
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| 02:32.50 | nonconvergent | CheckDavid: How do you do anything you don't know how to do? |
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| 02:35.16 | CheckDavid | nonconvergent, I always ask on IRC channels how first xD |
| 02:35.30 | nonconvergent | CheckDavid: And how's that working out for you? |
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| 02:51.24 | iateadonut | there's a program that added a user to my system. |
| 02:51.34 | iateadonut | but i can't "su - user" into that user |
| 02:51.40 | iateadonut | what type of user could this be? |
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| 02:52.48 | bfortified | is there a pword set? |
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| 03:18.39 | Monday | if i use the debian liveCD is it possible to change the default web browser to Midori? |
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| 03:23.40 | czh | the livecd if read-only |
| 03:24.54 | czh | you can install it if you can found that software |
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| 03:43.20 | nonconvergent | Is /etc/environment read before or after /etc/profile? |
| 03:46.21 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: before (before the shell is even invoked) |
| 03:47.58 | themill | nonconvergent: normally /etc/environment is only used by pam (pam_env) while /etc/profile can be used by any shell that decides it should be a login shell |
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| 04:04.19 | mrproper | I'm installing debian via USB key. My hard drive is showing up as hdb and the usb key is hda. When it goes to install Grub, it tries to put it on the USB key and not the hard drive. Any dieas? |
| 04:04.20 | mrproper | ideas |
| 04:05.23 | Dan39 | that is odd |
| 04:05.48 | Dan39 | you cant select where to install grub to? |
| 04:05.55 | mrproper | It's not letting me, at least I don't think |
| 04:06.21 | Dan39 | and make sure in that case fstab is setup by uuid or whatever, cuz the hdd maye become hda when you remove usb stick... |
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| 04:06.34 | mrproper | Dan39: During install I can do that? |
| 04:06.43 | Dan39 | and grub command better be the same |
| 04:07.07 | Dan39 | mrproper: i dont recall, last i actually did the debian install setup was like over 5 years ago |
| 04:07.28 | Dan39 | funny i use debian a lot , just its servers with install from an image :P |
| 04:08.06 | mrproper | Lets give it another try (install that is) |
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| 04:10.32 | Dan39 | a lot of installers do it by uuid now i think, so it might work fine. but you still need to select installing to the HDD and not usb stick lol |
| 04:10.57 | mrproper | Dan39: It doesn't really give me an option of where to install it, as far as I can tell. |
| 04:11.10 | Dan39 | :| |
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| 05:40.46 | ds_ | toothpick: hi |
| 05:41.53 | ds_ | zinx: hi |
| 05:43.59 | cast | http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/images/netfilter.png is the nat output change missing from that diagram, is it what postrouting is pointing to? |
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| 05:45.10 | toothpick | cast: it is missing a lot of details |
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| 06:49.02 | JasonWoof | I wrote a greasemonkey script, but now chromium won't let me update/import it |
| 06:49.45 | JasonWoof | I go to file:///path/to/folder and get a listing in chromium, and there's a message that says "Apps, extensions, and user scripts cannot be added from this websi..." |
| 06:49.59 | JasonWoof | (yes, it really has three dots instead of "te.") |
| 06:50.30 | JasonWoof | and there's a learn more link that tells me that google is doing this for my own protection |
| 06:51.27 | JasonWoof | there's a "load unpacked extension" button in the chromium preferences, but it greys out my extension.user.js |
| 06:52.41 | JasonWoof | oh, it also suggest dragging my extension onto the chromium extensions preferences page |
| 06:52.51 | JasonWoof | can't see how to do that with urxvt |
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| 06:55.26 | JasonWoof | do I really have to make a manifest.json and all that crap? |
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| 07:00.22 | jean_brat | Hi .. |
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| 07:01.08 | jean_brat | how do i disable Nautilus Pop up window every time i insert a drive or a disk... |
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| 07:01.56 | jean_brat | its annoying specially when u connect your laptop to a docking station where all the external drives are connected to it |
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| 07:10.35 | JasonWoof | nm, I installed tampermonkey |
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| 07:11.44 | JasonWoof | jean_brat: I'm pretty sure I figured out how to do that... before I uninstalled nautilus |
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| 07:17.59 | JasonWoof | jean_brat: wow, I can't find the answer. did you try searching for things like "mount" and "volume" in gconf editor? |
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| 07:19.46 | JasonWoof | jean_brat: ahh, finally found something. try this command: gnome-volume-properties |
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| 07:22.05 | JasonWoof | jean_brat: also found: “Load Nautilus and enter edit -> preferences -> media“ |
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| 07:36.14 | JasonWoof | oddly enough it was adding "suppress" to my searches that started getting me good looking answers |
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| 07:44.50 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 07:45.11 | cousin_luigi | is running debian on an embedded device and needs to reduce rsyslogd's memory usage: any hints or alternatives? |
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| 07:49.49 | nonconvergent | http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1lfxdk/need_to_modify_path_for_lightdmxfce_and_xmonad/ Any ideas? |
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| 07:51.35 | person | I ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade on debian testing and debian decided to remove the kernel |
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| 07:52.33 | person | if I try apt-get install linux-image-amd64 I get this http://pastebin.com/Mmu4sCSp |
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| 07:53.17 | themill | sure your're not running sid? |
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| 07:54.02 | nonconvergent | themill: Beat me to it. |
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| 07:54.27 | person | sorry I don't remember debian codenames. Is sid unstable? |
| 07:54.42 | themill | dpkg: tell person about bat |
| 07:55.46 | nonconvergent | sid is the nasty kid down the street who breaks all the toys |
| 07:56.24 | person | http://paste.debian.net/32677/ |
| 07:57.06 | themill | person: try aptitude instead |
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| 07:58.03 | person | http://paste.debian.net/32678/ |
| 07:58.33 | person | should I Y? |
| 07:58.51 | themill | person: and the apt-cache policy output for each of the 4 packages listed there is? |
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| 07:59.55 | person | http://paste.debian.net/32679/ |
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| 08:01.39 | themill | person: what does "apt-cache policy perl" show? |
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| 08:02.35 | person | http://paste.debian.net/32680/ |
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| 08:03.03 | themill | ahh... installing perl from t-p-u wasn't a good plan here. |
| 08:03.14 | themill | I have no idea what perl is doing in t-p-u to begin with |
| 08:05.04 | person | any idea on how to proceed? |
| 08:05.45 | themill | well... you're going to need to get perl components from sid to make the kernel packages installable again. |
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| 08:09.27 | person | themill: how do I do that? I changed sources.list to point to unstable, did apt-get update and then apt-get install which says it's already at the newest version |
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| 08:09.43 | person | "apt-get install perl" I meant |
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| 08:10.42 | themill | person: try "aptitude install linux-image-amd64" |
| 08:11.46 | person | themill: will it install sid's version of the kernel then? |
| 08:11.54 | themill | yes |
| 08:12.02 | person | actually I was thinking about moving over to sid anyways |
| 08:12.21 | themill | well, I'd suggest you don't do that... |
| 08:12.35 | tonyoy | person: if sid you have to install libperl5.18 (only in sid for now) to begin with and be able to upgrade... |
| 08:12.50 | themill | the kernel in sid and jessie are the same at the moment so it will install the same kernel; what it will do is install the perl modules you need to go along with the kernel |
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| 08:13.50 | person | themill: well the kernel got installed now so thank you for helping me |
| 08:14.32 | themill | person: you might want to change your sources.list back to jessie now. Give it a few days before you'll be able to install anything perl related, however. |
| 08:15.24 | person | ok |
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| 08:16.00 | themill | perl transitions are fun |
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| 08:16.54 | nonconvergent | hmm |
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| 08:23.52 | zeeflo | I asked this in #networking: I have two NIC's in a server, eth0 and eth1. Ive given both of them a different public IP. What I dont understand is, why data is transmitted through eth0, even if I demand data from the IP used by eth1? |
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| 08:24.07 | zeeflo | Is there something I need to do in the debian setup? |
| 08:24.14 | zeeflo | to make that work correct |
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| 08:28.21 | handuel | Hi. I've downloaded a debian iso image in order to customize it. However I can't find where the filesystem.squashfs is located so I can mount it. Where is filesystem.squashfs on the iso? |
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| 08:31.31 | jiohdi | handuel: install synapse it can find anything |
| 08:32.36 | handuel | jiohdi: It din't find it :D, I wonder if the debian CD stores the filesystem in a different way. Does anyone know where the filesystem on a debian CD is? |
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| 08:33.27 | mactimes | zeeflo Do you have basic understanding of network routing? |
| 08:33.36 | zeeflo | yes |
| 08:33.48 | zeeflo | I think its because I allow-hotplug for both interfaces |
| 08:33.56 | zeeflo | im reading the man |
| 08:34.15 | mactimes | zeeflo Then check 'ip route' and 'route'. |
| 08:34.32 | zeeflo | afaik allow-hotplug is a sort of failover for eth0 to use eth1 if down |
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| 08:34.49 | zeeflo | so, im wondering if I remove allow-hotplug, it will work as expected? |
| 08:35.45 | zeeflo | ip route and route -n looks like it should.. to my best knowledge |
| 08:36.02 | mactimes | zeeflo I can't say for sure since I don't know your network. You should check your routing tables. They're going to give you better clues about what is going on there. |
| 08:36.19 | zeeflo | can I pm you the paste? |
| 08:36.39 | mactimes | zeeflo Bring it. |
| 08:37.41 | zeeflo | I can see that the ip route is default via the ip on eth0 |
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| 08:37.51 | zeeflo | no |
| 08:37.58 | zeeflo | .129 is the gateway |
| 08:38.16 | zeeflo | ill also paste my interfaces |
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| 08:38.46 | alusion | Any good guides on securely configuring VNC server on muh debian? |
| 08:38.55 | alusion | dual monitor config |
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| 08:38.56 | mactimes | zeeflo Is there HSRP on these interfaces somehow ? |
| 08:39.05 | bony | is their a good program through which i can encrypt and decrypt my external hdd in debian sid under gnome 3? |
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| 08:39.41 | zeeflo | No, i dont think so mactimes |
| 08:39.59 | mactimes | zeeflo nvm my previous question. I just saw what you pasted and that answered me. |
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| 08:40.01 | zeeflo | each nic is on a switch port, on a switch in a dc |
| 08:40.05 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 08:40.36 | zeeflo | im wondering about that hot-plug thing |
| 08:41.02 | zeeflo | if its the reason all data goes through eth0 even though its called from eth1 |
| 08:42.02 | mactimes | zeeflo Well, you see: You have a default interface for sending packages. Unless you change that or configure your routing tables according to what you want, the system will use the default interface, routing the packages internally, even though you've informed the IP address for the source. |
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| 08:42.13 | mactimes | zeeflo What have you tried? ping? |
| 08:42.32 | zeeflo | no, just some simple html5 video streaming |
| 08:42.38 | zeeflo | and monitoring the packets |
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| 08:44.04 | mactimes | zeeflo I saw you wrote you had 'demanded' these packets to use the IP address currently assigned to eth1. How did you do that? |
| 08:44.27 | mactimes | zeeflo Mangling the packets and changing the routing tables? |
| 08:44.41 | mactimes | zeeflo Or... what? |
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| 08:44.58 | zeeflo | I just call the stream via the ip |
| 08:45.28 | zeeflo | I call 1 stream via the IP on eth0 and another to the ip on eth1 |
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| 08:45.40 | zeeflo | then I monitored with bmon |
| 08:45.52 | zeeflo | and noticed that all out traffic went through eth0 |
| 08:46.13 | mactimes | zeeflo And that's correct (from the system/networking point of view). |
| 08:46.26 | mactimes | zeeflo You system is just doing what it is supposed to do. |
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| 08:47.06 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 08:47.53 | mactimes | zeeflo Even if you inform the source ip address, the system is supposed to route the packets internally and send them through the default interface, unless there are any rules saying the opposite or the 'cost' of sending these packets through another interface are 'lower'. |
| 08:47.54 | zeeflo | then I need to do some routing to define that all traffic to and from IP x.x.x.1 to go through eth0 and traffic from IP x.x.x.2 to go trough eth1 ? |
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| 08:48.23 | mactimes | zeeflo That's correct. |
| 08:48.32 | zeeflo | can you help me with that? |
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| 08:49.19 | mactimes | zeeflo You can have some mangling in the firewall to mark the packets you want, then have a secondary routing table to route these 'marked' packets through the interface you want. |
| 08:49.52 | zeeflo | ok |
| 08:50.25 | mactimes | zeeflo I'd rather give you some documentation for you to read, so that you can do it yourself. Anything we can try could render your connection unusable right now. |
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| 08:50.36 | zeeflo | Yes, thank you |
| 08:50.41 | zeeflo | I would love that |
| 08:51.11 | mactimes | zeeflo Hold on a second. Let me see what I can find in my stuff. |
| 08:51.20 | zeeflo | thanks :) |
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| 08:55.07 | yeehi | when wheezy installs, a /boot partition is created. By default, that partition is not set to "bootable". Why is this? Do we need to set it to bootable manually? |
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| 08:56.24 | yeehi | Also, how do we install wheezy to GPT instead of MBR? (There is another OS already detected, using GPT, I believe. Installer says it is ok to install to MBR. However, isn't it better to be installed to GPT?) |
| 08:56.35 | mactimes | zeeflo You're welcome. I'm still looking for some 'bit' more advanced material here to see if it fits you, but here you'll find some basics: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm#top |
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| 08:57.24 | mactimes | zeeflo Check the routing part. If you want to 'balance' your traffic based _only_ in the source ip address of the hosts behind your network, that will do. |
| 08:58.05 | xlrv | how can i install vb through terminal |
| 08:58.18 | zeeflo | ok |
| 08:58.27 | well_laid_lawn | apt-cache search vb |
| 08:58.45 | well_laid_lawn | whatever vb is... |
| 08:59.03 | xlrv | just min i will try that <well_laid_lawn> it virtual box |
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| 08:59.30 | well_laid_lawn | apt-cache search vbox then |
| 08:59.59 | well_laid_lawn | find what you want and apt-get install <the package/s> |
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| 09:00.30 | xlrv | nope its not there <well_laid_lawn |
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| 09:02.06 | xlrv | i cannot find anything i want < well_laid_lawn> i |
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| 09:03.38 | mactimes | zeeflo Here's one more: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 |
| 09:04.20 | zeeflo | thanks |
| 09:05.10 | mactimes | zeeflo I think this last one I sent you covers all of your current needs on that matter. |
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| 09:05.21 | zeeflo | yes |
| 09:05.32 | zeeflo | in the example, theyre using two gateways.. |
| 09:05.37 | zeeflo | I, however only have 1 |
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| 09:06.57 | zeeflo | would that matter? |
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| 09:10.01 | mactimes | zeeflo I'm not pretty sure. I have applied a solution like the one you want in the premises of a customer of mine, but since I needed to route different *services* through different interfaces, I ended up marking the packets to use different routing tables. That is *sort of* what the last one I sent you does, but *not* the same. |
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| 09:10.23 | zeeflo | ok |
| 09:10.25 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 09:11.17 | mactimes | zeeflo Give it a try and see if it works. If not, undo it. I'm checking if I find the documentation regarding what I did to send you. I had written some docs on it too, but can't find them right now. Still searching. |
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| 09:11.56 | zeeflo | Im afraid to "play and try".. If I fail, I have to go alooong way to reach the server.. |
| 09:12.00 | zeeflo | its in a datacenter |
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| 09:18.28 | mactimes | zeeflo Try it on VirtualBox first. |
| 09:18.33 | mactimes | zeeflo See if it works. |
| 09:18.39 | mactimes | zeeflo Then deploy it. |
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| 09:18.55 | zeeflo | yea ofcourse |
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| 09:22.17 | yeehi | when wheezy installs, a /boot partition is created. By default, that partition is not set to "bootable". Why is this? Do we need to set it to bootable manually? |
| 09:22.37 | yeehi | Also, how do we install wheezy to GPT instead of MBR? (There is another OS already detected, using GPT, I believe. Installer says it is ok to install to MBR. However, isn't it better to be installed to GPT?) |
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| 09:27.05 | mumpitzel | yeehi: you don't. grub2 doesn't care about anything being bootable. only the normal bootloader which is installed by windows does |
| 09:27.40 | yeehi | thanks, mumpitzel. How do i install to GPT instead of MBR? |
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| 09:31.22 | mumpitzel | gcreate the partition(s) under (g)parted |
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| 09:31.58 | mumpitzel | don't make any partitions with the debian installer, only select them which to use for what /, swap, etc. I dunno if it's the official way to make it, but that's what I would do |
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| 09:32.25 | mumpitzel | and don't install grub either in the installer but install grub-efi manually |
| 09:32.41 | mumpitzel | basically: keep a live CD handy for all this :) |
| 09:33.28 | yeehi | ah, i see - a live debian cd... good idea. and install grub-efi manually. I will check it out. Thank you, mumpitzel... |
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| 09:34.20 | mumpitzel | yeehi: before you do anything: backup the stuff on this disk! |
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| 09:35.53 | oo_miguel | what doest this line in my mdstat tell me: md2 : active raid1 sda3[2](S) sdb3[1] 1073740664 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] |
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| 09:36.03 | oo_miguel | what is the S? |
| 09:36.15 | oo_miguel | next to sda3 for instance |
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| 09:47.29 | nkuttler | oo_miguel: used to be scsi vs ide.. |
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| 09:48.34 | txomon | hi |
| 09:48.49 | txomon | I am getting nut with trying to put multiarch in my debian wheezy |
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| 09:49.05 | txomon | I do the steps of add-multiarch and apt-get update |
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| 09:49.25 | oo_miguel | The story is, that my provider replaced the sda drive yesterday and md1 md3 and md4 all synced over night and are in [UU] state. but md2 shows me what you see above |
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| 09:49.47 | txomon | but when I try to install ia32-libs, it tells me ia32-libs-i386 won't be installed |
| 09:49.50 | oo_miguel | I also have read errors on sdb in my dmesg , so maybe the syncronization was stopped? |
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| 09:50.44 | txomon | if I try with aptitude, it tries to upgrade my system somehow, erasing over 900 packets and upgrading 700~ |
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| 10:12.18 | oo_miguel | smartctl tells me that I have almost 6000 Current_Pending_Sectors / Offline_Unrecorrectable :(. Can I somehow find out which secotrs and which files are affected? and decide what to do with them? |
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| 10:16.49 | babilen | oo_miguel: There isn't much to decide, get a new disk, backup data (if you haven't already) and replace the dying one. |
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| 10:17.53 | babilen | oo_miguel: You could use badblocks to mark those blocks as unusable, but I would *strongly* recommend to get a new disk ASAP - Paste the entire smartctl output to http://paste.debian.net + run some short/long tests and paste their results (cf. smartctl manpage) too for additional advice. |
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| 10:19.18 | oo_miguel | I want a new disk of course. the problem is that this the disk where / is mounted and I have no physical access to the computer. the disk is part of a raid1 where the other disk was exchanged yesterday and /dev/md2 is now unable to syncronize because of read errors on the faulty one |
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| 10:31.26 | oo_miguel | I want to force the raid1 to sync sda even if there are read errors on sdb, in order to be able to exchange the sda. Of course I would like to know what files were lost. |
| 10:31.44 | oo_miguel | The other solution would be to reinstall the complete server from scratch |
| 10:32.13 | oo_miguel | ah, sorry. I want to exchange the sdb of course :P |
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| 10:52.30 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: from my understanding this is not possible with classic Raid1 and ext Filesystem. With ZFS (and maybe BTRFS) this is possible. |
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| 10:59.05 | jelly-home | oo_miguel: ask #linux-raid channel whether what you want is possible at all |
| 10:59.37 | oo_miguel | ok thank you |
| 11:00.35 | jelly-home | otherwise, remove sda3 from that raid arrary, make a new degraded raid array with it, format and do a file-based copy |
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| 11:05.36 | oo_miguel | ah |
| 11:05.41 | oo_miguel | you are a genius! :) |
| 11:05.50 | oo_miguel | thanks for the idea |
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| 11:12.55 | R0bin | hello |
| 11:14.06 | bony | I followed this guide to create encrypted partition in external drive. everything went well. When i plugin the drive it is asking for a password and when i give the password its mounting the partition but the partition is read-only. how to make it RW |
| 11:14.06 | R0bin | I want to run Debian on a VM in my macbook pro. I'm not sure which download I want as most sites offer several downloads of the same distro. Is this for different CPUs? |
| 11:14.22 | bony | http://www.circuidipity.com/encrypt-external-drive.html this is the guide |
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| 11:15.07 | R0bin | To run Debian!? g |
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| 11:16.24 | R0bin | Umm. I more needed just a link to a good Debian download:P. |
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| 11:21.23 | musca | !iso |
| 11:21.23 | dpkg | [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent>, <jigdo>. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <cd1>, <missing iso>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <iat>. |
| 11:22.24 | R0bin | Thank you very much> |
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| 11:22.34 | musca | yw R0bin |
| 11:23.10 | R0bin | haha. I love Debians little swirl logo.. |
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| 11:24.42 | R0bin | amd64 armel armhf what are all these how do I know which one to choose?? |
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| 11:25.38 | musca | i386 and amd64 or your choice for intel compatible Systems |
| 11:26.09 | R0bin | I have an i7 so i guess ill just choose i386 |
| 11:26.11 | musca | 1386 is 32 bit, and amd64 is 64 bit. |
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| 11:26.32 | R0bin | Nevermidn amd64. But it isnt refering to the amd cpu right? |
| 11:26.36 | musca | R0bin: how much RAM has your system? |
| 11:26.53 | R0bin | 16G |
| 11:27.07 | musca | so amd64 will fit. |
| 11:27.16 | R0bin | ok. Thanks |
| 11:27.37 | R0bin | I;m only running it in a VM anyway to see how it goes so we will see. Thank you |
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| 11:27.49 | musca | It will be possible to run 32-bit software from thirdparty repos also. |
| 11:27.51 | mongrol | r |
| 11:28.19 | musca | R0bin: which Desktop Environment do you plan to install? |
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| 11:28.28 | R0bin | o.0 |
| 11:28.30 | R0bin | Index of /debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd |
| 11:28.40 | musca | !various cd1 |
| 11:28.40 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
| 11:28.47 | R0bin | Which of the many files do i download. |
| 11:29.15 | R0bin | oh I honestly dont know. musca the most user freindly one. one with a nice Gnome just like mint |
| 11:29.30 | musca | debian is huge, but you don'T need everything on your install media. |
| 11:30.00 | R0bin | CD 1 through 8 o.o |
| 11:30.11 | musca | gnome 3.4 with gnome-shell is standard. |
| 11:30.28 | musca | download only cd1. |
| 11:30.32 | R0bin | ok |
| 11:30.41 | R0bin | debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 11:30.52 | musca | you can later install everything els directly from the net. |
| 11:31.03 | musca | else |
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| 11:31.16 | R0bin | Will it have the gnome I can work with or will it be incoplete |
| 11:31.56 | musca | will be "complete" in the meaning of fully functional. |
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| 11:32.17 | R0bin | ok. Then what in the devil is in the other 7 CDs |
| 11:32.45 | abrotman | lots of other packages |
| 11:32.46 | berarma | R0bin: the first CD gives a basic functional install, you can install everything else from internet if you have a connection |
| 11:32.50 | abrotman | !tell R0bin about cd contents |
| 11:33.25 | musca | e.g. the other desktops, many apps, servers like apache, mysql, programming languages, all you can think of. |
| 11:35.29 | musca | there are only 8 isos , but the repo would fill 68 cdroms, iirc. |
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| 11:40.08 | R0bin | 68 cd roms oh my freaking god |
| 11:40.22 | R0bin | the repos with things like irssi and yum and other things |
| 11:41.11 | musca | yes, but debian uses apt, not yum |
| 11:41.26 | R0bin | oh. hmm. my ec2 instance has both |
| 11:41.33 | musca | !tell R0bin about apt |
| 11:41.36 | R0bin | apt-get install myshit |
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| 11:42.39 | musca | exactly. you'll find your way. |
| 11:43.15 | R0bin | haha. so cd 1 gives me the OS the otheer 7 geive me all the rpos which is stupid cause id never use every tool in the repo |
| 11:43.59 | R0bin | And excuse my sloppy typing. I'm getting frustrated with linux right now(go figure). |
| 11:44.04 | musca | you got the point. there also are smaller netinstall isos |
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| 11:44.52 | R0bin | Also the bittorrent file is very unhealthy haha. |
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| 11:45.45 | musca | wich virtualization do you use? |
| 11:45.56 | musca | which ... |
| 11:46.04 | R0bin | virtual box |
| 11:46.20 | R0bin | What do you mean by virtualization? |
| 11:46.47 | musca | fine, virtualbox additions are packaged in debian. |
| 11:47.11 | R0bin | God I hope this runs smoothley |
| 11:47.13 | musca | you will be able to use openGL with those drivers. |
| 11:47.22 | R0bin | openGL? |
| 11:47.50 | musca | 3D graphic is necessary for gnome3 |
| 11:48.05 | R0bin | I need to go to college |
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| 11:48.53 | handuel | Does anyone here know where the filesystem on the debian iso is? |
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| 11:49.46 | handuel | Something like filesystem.squashfs |
| 11:49.58 | handuel | I want to be able to mount it, but I don't know where it is |
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| 11:58.00 | berarma | R0bin: don't feel overhelmed, musca is giving far more information than you need for a start |
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| 11:59.05 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 11:59.26 | hellyeah | just need very good html,css, javascript editor all together. Any advice? |
| 11:59.54 | MaXim_ | vim |
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| 12:00.37 | maxxe | emacs |
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| 12:01.07 | berarma | that's very personal, I use jedit |
| 12:01.11 | abrotman | hellyeah: bluefish or the mozilla composer |
| 12:01.38 | hellyeah | i generally use gedit |
| 12:01.56 | hellyeah | but i want to take advantage of ide like auto indent, auto completion and such |
| 12:02.06 | handuel | hellyeah: emacs |
| 12:02.15 | hellyeah | emacs is hard to use |
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| 12:02.36 | berarma | hellyeah: the only way to know which one works for you is to try |
| 12:02.49 | handuel | hellyeah: Not once you get used to it. And it's so configurable so can have any feature you want :) |
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| 12:04.06 | hellyeah | bluefish looks good handuel emacs is cool but the gui is not so good |
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| 12:06.55 | maxxe | emacs is a sane editor. no one should ever question what you are doing :) |
| 12:06.57 | AciD` | hellyeah > kdevelop-php |
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| 12:08.26 | hellyeah | AciD`: |
| 12:08.33 | hellyeah | isnt it php editor? |
| 12:08.58 | abrotman | look at the webpage and find out |
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| 12:12.23 | hellyeah | abrotman: i did aptitude search kdevelop-php aptitude said it is php editor |
| 12:12.57 | fommil | last night I did a routine upgrade of wheezy on my amd64 VirtualBox install. Now it won't start and "safe mode" shows "gave up waiting for root device". During the initial install I used logical partitions. |
| 12:13.11 | fommil | any help greatly appreciated |
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| 12:13.21 | hellyeah | KDevelop 4.5.1 Released Thu, 05/30/2013 - 11:51 — apol Good news everyone! KDevelop 4.5.1 has been released, it's still fresh for all of you to try. For those who don't know, KDevelop is an IDE for all those developers who want to integrate the tools they need for developing, in a comfortable and simple solution. We have a focus on C++ and CMake, but you can find it useful when using other langua |
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| 12:15.38 | abrotman | hellyeah: try "show" |
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| 12:16.14 | hellyeah | hmm definition |
| 12:16.26 | hellyeah | thanks for giving this command i was not aware |
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| 12:18.28 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello am I correct in understanding that a Debian based headless server will NOT start a desktop environment (if one is installed) if a monitor is not connected? Or does that still get started? |
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| 12:20.03 | mumpitzel | LinuxGuy2020: we cannot answer questions about "debian based" systems. we support normal debian only |
| 12:20.27 | LinuxGuy2020 | mumpitzel: no shit |
| 12:20.47 | f-a | hello. Is anyone here a DICT user? I have a .dict.dz file but don't have the related .index file. Is there a way to recreate it? |
| 12:20.47 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: we couldn't possibly answer that question without knowing which distro you're actually running |
| 12:21.10 | f-a | (the dictionary I downloaded is a Stardict one) |
| 12:21.20 | LinuxGuy2020 | Umm hello, Im in the debian channel. Wonder which one I might be using. |
| 12:21.32 | mumpitzel | !debian based |
| 12:21.32 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:21.33 | abrotman | not interested in playing games ... good luck |
| 12:21.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | Me neither |
| 12:21.49 | LinuxGuy2020 | It was a simple question |
| 12:21.58 | abrotman | so was mine, which you still haven't answered |
| 12:22.36 | LinuxGuy2020 | I didnt come here for ubuntu support or I would have gone to ubuntu channel. |
| 12:22.48 | abrotman | waits |
| 12:22.57 | mumpitzel | LinuxGuy2020: you STILL haven't answered the question. notice something? |
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| 12:23.14 | LinuxGuy2020 | So anyways if a debian server has a gui installed, does that get started up if a monitor is not connected? |
| 12:23.16 | abrotman | which version of Debian may also have an impact, of course, you could have just tried this yourself by now |
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| 12:23.48 | abrotman | how many LinuxGuys are there? This is like Agent Smith! |
| 12:23.50 | LinuxGuy2020 | abrotman: no I couldnt actually |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: even if it could start the X server, you do not want your server to run X anyway |
| 12:24.24 | LinuxGuy2020 | This is pointless. |
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| 12:24.38 | abrotman | is pretty sure he just answered the question, but okay |
| 12:24.59 | fommil | abrotman: I think he wanted to know if it started so he could stop it if it did. e.g. save RAM or something |
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| 12:25.28 | fommil | abrotman: but he wasn't very great at asking... |
| 12:25.40 | abrotman | I answered the question he asked, but oh well |
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| 12:26.20 | fommil | abrotman: oh, sorry, i didn't see you answer |
| 12:26.50 | fommil | does anyone know if debian will ever ship the crosstool-ng cross compiler builder? It's utterly awesome and should replace all cross compilers we currently have, IMHO |
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| 12:27.29 | fommil | it would be really fantastic if debian also shipped some of the more popular cross-compilers: e.g. raspberry pi target |
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| 12:27.53 | abrotman | fommil: feel free to file wishlist bugs |
| 12:28.06 | fommil | abrotman: will do |
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| 12:29.11 | fommil | abrotman: wow, debian still doesn't have an issue tracker? all email? |
| 12:29.56 | abrotman | fommil: the BTS is the issue tracker |
| 12:30.07 | abrotman | and IME, it beats the pants off bugzilla |
| 12:30.38 | fommil | abrotman: bugzilla is ancient… there are much better solutions nowadays |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | fommil: Debian has RT also, but uses it for internal things IIRC |
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| 12:31.01 | ompaul | fommil: read what abrotman said again ... ;-) |
| 12:31.40 | fommil | ompaul: why? |
| 12:32.07 | ompaul | bugzilla be a moot point |
| 12:32.07 | fommil | ompaul: anything beating bugzilla… it's like saying "X is better than a kick in the balls" |
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| 12:32.47 | abrotman | fommil: wrong statement |
| 12:33.16 | fommil | abrotman: BTS is the issue tracker, yes. but no need to compare to bugzilla. |
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| 12:33.38 | fommil | abrotman: but this has a heavily email based interface |
| 12:33.56 | abrotman | it is, yes |
| 12:33.58 | fommil | abrotman: can I post directly to linux.debian.bugs.dist ? |
| 12:34.13 | abrotman | fommil: no idea what that is, doubtful |
| 12:34.27 | fommil | abrotman: it's the debian google group for the BTS |
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| 12:34.41 | tommi | ciao |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | fommil: i don't think so, you submit to the BTS directly via email or reportbug |
| 12:34.50 | tommi | !list |
| 12:34.51 | dpkg | tommi: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 12:34.57 | fommil | yuck |
| 12:35.09 | abrotman | fommil: then dont' submit bugs, but your issue won't get resolved |
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| 12:35.48 | fommil | abrotman: I'll report, but it's a pretty ugly way to do so… and I bet the people who receive the reports all day complain about how bug reports are never formatted correctly |
| 12:35.50 | ompaul | irc is not the place for drive by bugs and then the world doesn't do what you want because you never did file a bug |
| 12:35.51 | handuel | Does anyone know where the filesystem is on the debian CD iso |
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| 12:36.45 | abrotman | fommil: doubtful, DDs are very familiar with those reports |
| 12:36.50 | jimcooncat | handuel: I think you may need to rephrase your question |
| 12:36.53 | abrotman | handuel: where the filesystem is? |
| 12:36.59 | fommil | abrotman: buy email is free form |
| 12:37.04 | fommil | but* |
| 12:37.21 | ompaul | handuel: it's squashfs the read only filesystem so what's your real question. |
| 12:37.36 | abrotman | fommil: and? That could be construed as an advantage |
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| 12:37.46 | fommil | abrotman: so long as they are happy with it |
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| 12:39.10 | handuel | ompaul: I know, but where is it on the iso |
| 12:39.25 | abrotman | handuel: why not mount the ISO and look? |
| 12:39.41 | handuel | abrotman: I have and I can't find it, which is why I'm asking :P |
| 12:39.44 | ompaul | handuel: the iso is a file image with .iso as a tag and it within that image that it resides ... |
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| 12:40.02 | ompaul | handuel: what are you trying to actually do |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | handuel: what are you actually looking for? |
| 12:41.01 | handuel | ompaul: customize a liveCD slightly by unsquashfs'ing filesystem.squashfs, chrooting into it and making changes, then using mksquashfs |
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| 12:41.25 | handuel | on it and sticking it back into an iso |
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| 12:41.46 | handuel | however I can't find the filesystem.squashfs on the debian ISO image, and am wondering where it is |
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| 12:42.10 | abrotman | does it need one? |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | did you ask #debian-live on irc.oftc.net? |
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| 12:42.34 | handuel | abrotman: no. I didn't know about that channel. I shall go there |
| 12:43.05 | mumpitzel | handuel: http://live.debian.net/manual/4.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#164 this manual should tell you all you need to create your customized live cd. read it first |
| 12:43.13 | handuel | mumpitzel: Thanks also. |
| 12:43.18 | ompaul | http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html |
| 12:43.22 | ompaul | heh |
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| 12:44.37 | fommil | ever since upgrading to kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 on wheezy, my system won't start up… anyone have any advice? |
| 12:44.44 | mumpitzel | ompaul: my 4.x manual is bigger than your 3.x one! :P |
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| 12:45.01 | mumpitzel | fommil: yes. the advice is: give us the error message or other useful info first |
| 12:45.06 | ompaul | mumpitzel: I was giving the shorter version :) |
| 12:45.08 | fommil | mumpitzel: I did |
| 12:45.10 | ompaul | hides |
| 12:45.24 | fommil | repost: last night I did a routine upgrade of wheezy on my amd64 VirtualBox install. Now it won't start and "safe mode" shows "gave up waiting for root device". During the initial install I used logical partitions. |
| 12:45.24 | xand | fommil: no you did not |
| 12:45.30 | mumpitzel | !tell fommil about doesn't work |
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| 12:46.03 | fommil | xand: yes I did, and I just C&P'd it for you ;-) |
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| 12:46.40 | MarkG1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.52 | MarkG1234 | Guessing it's something stupid, but I have failed to find it. |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | MarkG1234: there is #bash |
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| 12:47.42 | abrotman | MarkG1234: break only exits the current loop |
| 12:47.45 | handuel | Ahh I was uinsing the wrong image, I've found it now |
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| 12:48.37 | MarkG1234 | I was hoping the test at the top of the while loop would then get it out the loop |
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| 12:49.00 | fommil | abrotman: I got my wish list bug report bounced because there is no package. what package is used for new package requests? |
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| 12:49.48 | abrotman | MarkG1234: ah, missed that, seems like it should work, but I think your $MatchFound = "true" line is incorrect |
| 12:50.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fommil about rfp |
| 12:51.20 | fommil | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:52.39 | fommil | wrt my machine not starting: I tried changing the /dev/mapper/debian-root line in the interactive grub editor to /dev/debian/root (like the rescue CD does) but that also fails |
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| 12:54.39 | fommil | the grub menu only has the new kernel that I installed… how can I use the rescue disk to add in the old kernel that works? |
| 12:56.39 | fommil | oh crap, I re-installed the grub boot loader and now all the kernel options have gone away... |
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| 13:01.04 | fommil | aaah, /boot was installed in a different partition. now I see my kernels and can run update-grub. phew! |
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| 13:02.38 | oo_miguel | how can I create temporarily a raid from just one single device? |
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| 13:02.57 | oo_miguel | mdadm --create /dev/md99 --level=mirror --force --raid-devices=1 /dev/sda3 ? |
| 13:03.04 | oo_miguel | is this fine? |
| 13:03.05 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 13:03.24 | abrotman | are you going to add a second drive later? |
| 13:03.28 | oo_miguel | yes |
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| 13:04.08 | oo_miguel | I will add a second one and It will be a raid 1 finally |
| 13:04.20 | abrotman | oo_miguel: google "create degraded raid1 mdraid" |
| 13:04.27 | oo_miguel | thank you |
| 13:04.59 | fommil | damn. I think the grub that the rescue disk install on /dev/sd0 is not being overwritten by a sudo update-grub from the rescue shell. Anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 13:05.19 | mumpitzel | fommil: yes. you only install a new grub via "grub-install" |
| 13:05.33 | mumpitzel | update-grub at most rewrites the grub config file |
| 13:06.13 | fommil | mumpitzel: cool. I'll do that now. BTW, is it possible to tell grub to use DVORAK in the menu? |
| 13:06.35 | mumpitzel | no. at least I never managed to use a german keyboard layout either |
| 13:07.08 | fommil | mumpitzel: it's supposed to support german http://spblinux.de/2.0/grub.htm |
| 13:07.38 | fommil | mumpitzel: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=76833 |
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| 13:09.49 | Mk558 | Hi guys, could anyone tell me what the name of this "information panel" on the desktop is that shows system info? Never could identify what it is, unless it comes with Xfce by default: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs43/f/2009/064/0/f/Xfce_4_6___Debian_by_elavdeveloper.jpg |
| 13:10.21 | oo_miguel | ok, the degraded raid1 worked fine. now I want to copy my / to the other disk (on filesystem level). I mounted in in /mnt. A "cp -ax / /mnt" should do the job, right? |
| 13:10.57 | fommil | mumpitzel: cool, that's got me back |
| 13:11.04 | CissWit | Mk558: conkyprobably |
| 13:11.29 | Mk558 | Conky? |
| 13:11.33 | CissWit | yes |
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| 13:11.35 | fommil | mumpitzel: but now the startup of the kernel fails with "/dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist". Did this move with a recent update? |
| 13:11.40 | Mk558 | wonder if there's a package for Ubuntu. Should be |
| 13:11.46 | Mk558 | if not source code yay |
| 13:12.23 | CissWit | conky widely used, so i guess there is even if it not the good channel to talk about what's or not on ubuntu |
| 13:12.34 | CissWit | *is |
| 13:12.44 | mumpitzel | fommil: recerate your initrd maybe so it will work again? |
| 13:12.56 | Mk558 | Well there's always the excuse about debian and ubuntu being linked somehow :P |
| 13:13.05 | fommil | mumpitzel: it's been a while since I've done that… any hints? |
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| 13:13.36 | Mk558 | installing conky now |
| 13:13.40 | fommil | mumpitzel: it's also weird that the rescue disk uses /dev/debian/root instead… is that what changed? |
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| 13:14.11 | CissWit | Mk558: conky is very configurable, so you will have a hard time having the exact same result than on your screenshot. But you can find many tutorials out there with many example layouts |
| 13:14.17 | CissWit | you should find one that fit your tastes |
| 13:14.36 | CissWit | and needs |
| 13:14.41 | Mk558 | K I'll fiddle with it |
| 13:14.58 | Mk558 | Is it all configured in the command line or is it GUI based? |
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| 13:15.28 | CissWit | its a configuration file |
| 13:15.34 | Mk558 | ah |
| 13:15.35 | CissWit | so you can us ea gui based text editor ;) |
| 13:16.03 | Mk558 | wonders why Pidgin IM client doesn't integrate the buddy list with the main chat window :/ |
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| 13:16.38 | abrotman | Mk558: i've wondered the same thing for years .. Exodus does this, and it's great |
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| 13:18.06 | Mk558 | I haven't tried the Empathy IM client though. |
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| 13:20.32 | fommil | mumpitzel: rebuilt inited still getting "waiting for root file system" :-( |
| 13:21.19 | fommil | mumpitzel: is update-grub perhaps incorrectly calculating my root fs name? |
| 13:22.13 | nvz | fommil: thats pretty easy to figure out.. hit 'e' at the grub menu on your menu entry and see what the linux line says |
| 13:22.52 | fommil | nvz: easy for somebody with a qwerty keyboard perhaps… but yes I can see what it says but I don't know if it's correct |
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| 13:23.16 | nvz | fommil: is it using UUID? |
| 13:23.22 | fommil | nvz: yes |
| 13:23.41 | Mk558 | is migrating away from OS X |
| 13:23.51 | Mk558 | * as a primary OS |
| 13:24.12 | Mk558 | I like OS X. A lot. Jaguar and Tiger = favorite OSes, by far. |
| 13:24.13 | fommil | nvz: in the rescue disk, I'm mounting /dev/debian/root and that works…. the grub config seems to be using /dev/mapper/debian-root |
| 13:24.29 | Mk558 | I was going to install debian 6 on this system but backed out at the last minute. |
| 13:24.35 | abrotman | you mean Debian 7? |
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| 13:24.36 | nvz | fommil: what kind of system is this? as far as the drives are concerned? i.e. I'm on a thinkpad.. its SATA.. there is only one hdd.. its straight ext filesystem, no raid or lvm.. |
| 13:24.40 | Mk558 | nope. 6. |
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| 13:24.57 | Mk558 | I like GNOME 2 to the next star in the galaxy. |
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| 13:25.02 | fommil | nvz: it's a VirtualBox. I used logical drives in the setup. wheezy. |
| 13:25.17 | fommil | nvz: all was working until i did an apt-get upgrade yesterday |
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| 13:26.48 | nvz | fommil: ah.. ok well that information helps.. but seems to me like your neglecting to mention the specifics of the seriously complicated setup you have there.. |
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| 13:27.21 | fommil | nvz: from debian's POV this is a very simple setup |
| 13:27.45 | fommil | nvz: unless logical drives are experimental |
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| 13:27.58 | nvz | if this were just a vdk with one partition, and an ext3/4 filesystem you probably wouldn't be having this problem.. nor would you be using anything like /dev/debian or /dev/mapper |
| 13:28.12 | nvz | you apparently have lvm, raid, or something of the sort going on |
| 13:28.20 | fommil | lvm sounds about right |
| 13:28.32 | fommil | lvm gives me the ability to resize drives |
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| 13:28.55 | fommil | the rescue disk seems to be able to start up fine |
| 13:28.55 | nvz | heh.. yeah.. among other things.. |
| 13:29.00 | rudi_s | Hi. How can I get the current release name from a running Debian system, e.g. sid or wheezy? If possible without installing lsb_release. Thanks. |
| 13:29.23 | fommil | nvz: which packages do i need to downgrade to get the older kernel back? |
| 13:29.38 | nvz | rudi_s: what does dpkg -l libc6 say for the version? |
| 13:29.45 | fommil | nvz: (I'm pretty shocked it was replaced… usually older kernels lie around for a while) |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | nvz: that's not a release name? |
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| 13:30.05 | nvz | abrotman: it can help narrow it down. |
| 13:30.10 | Mk558 | Is conky generally a good replacement for putting the System Monitor graphs in the menu bar? |
| 13:30.11 | abrotman | rudi_s: cat /etc/debian_version .. but that file can be vague |
| 13:30.24 | nvz | abrotman: you must've missed the part about not installing lsb |
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| 13:30.28 | Mk558 | or will having a crowded desktop on a 1280x800 display make having both a good idea? |
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| 13:30.41 | abrotman | nvz: where did i say that? |
| 13:30.49 | rudi_s | abrotman: Hm. And it just displays the version, I'd have to convert that. |
| 13:30.57 | nvz | abrotman: you didn't but it was part of the question. |
| 13:31.00 | rudi_s | nvz: Well, it lists a version of libc?! |
| 13:31.12 | nvz | rudi_s: 6.x is Squeeze, 7.x is Wheezy.. |
| 13:31.16 | abrotman | nvz: no, i didn't miss it, i can read |
| 13:31.20 | eb0t | can you not just do a uname - |
| 13:31.29 | eb0t | to show what version you are running |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | that's just the kernel version |
| 13:31.42 | eb0t | thanks |
| 13:31.45 | rudi_s | nvz: I don't want to guess .. lsb_release -s -c works, but I'd prefer to not install that. |
| 13:32.00 | abrotman | rudi_s: grep the sources.list |
| 13:32.11 | nvz | rudi_s: yes, look in the sources.list |
| 13:32.18 | hellyeah | damn |
| 13:32.23 | hellyeah | mt debian really down |
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| 13:32.31 | hellyeah | i cannot install some package |
| 13:32.31 | hellyeah | :D |
| 13:32.33 | rudi_s | Good idea, thank you abrotman, nvz. |
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| 13:32.35 | abrotman | rudi_s: but of course, that could be edited after munging packages, etc .. lsb_release really is the proper way, but sources.list might be the next best option |
| 13:33.09 | fommil | nvz: downgrading kernel didn't fix anything :-( |
| 13:33.56 | hellyeah | downgrading is not good option at all i think |
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| 13:34.45 | fommil | maybe I need lvm module pre-loaded… i'll check if its missing |
| 13:34.51 | rudi_s | abrotman: Good point. I'll use lsb_release if it's available and fall back to sources.list. Thanks again. |
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| 13:37.27 | fommil | insmod lvm is there |
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| 13:43.32 | fommil | this is crazy. I think I might just backup my data and re-install |
| 13:44.10 | fommil | kernel upgrade nukes my system... |
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| 13:44.31 | Mk558 | This is why I made a bootable thumbdrive install. |
| 13:44.58 | Mk558 | Has a FAT32 2GiB volume on the first partition and Ubuntu on the remainder. |
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| 13:45.16 | Mk558 | i386 non-PAE kernel which should boot almost...anything. |
| 13:45.18 | fommil | Mk558: and that's relevant to me? |
| 13:45.22 | Mk558 | recovery? |
| 13:45.24 | Mk558 | backup? |
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| 13:45.27 | Mk558 | system failure? |
| 13:45.30 | fommil | Mk558: I already have a recovery cd |
| 13:45.42 | Mk558 | but a thumbdrive is faster |
| 13:45.44 | fommil | Mk558: that I've spent the last hour booting into |
| 13:45.51 | fommil | Mk558: i'm using virtual box |
| 13:45.53 | Mk558 | oh. |
| 13:45.59 | Mk558 | then snapshots ftw |
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| 13:54.23 | fommil | w00t!!!! fixed |
| 13:54.41 | fommil | 2 hours, and all I needed was "apt-get install lvm2" |
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| 13:56.17 | abrotman | wonders how it worked before then |
| 13:56.39 | fommil | abrotman: http://hdrlab.org.nz/articles/linux-troubleshooting/fixing-gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-error-in-debian/ |
| 13:56.57 | fommil | abrotman: looks like debain changed conf without requiring the deps to be installed |
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| 13:57.45 | fommil | abrotman: looks like I've earned a cup of tea and now I can finish cross compiling my release |
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| 14:03.46 | mrproper | I'm trying to install Debian from a usb key. It installs and tries to install grub. When it installs grub it installs to hda |
| 14:03.53 | mrproper | HDA is my usb key not the hard drive. Ideas? |
| 14:04.13 | Dwarf | Don't select "install to mbr" |
| 14:04.20 | Dwarf | Then enter the device manually |
| 14:04.22 | mrproper | I don't think it was an option. |
| 14:04.29 | mrproper | Debian stable if it matters. |
| 14:04.54 | Dwarf | It will give an error if you install to the USB anyway |
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| 14:05.01 | mrproper | That's exactly what happens. |
| 14:05.11 | Dwarf | Then you get to the menu, correct? |
| 14:05.14 | mrproper | I don't recall seeing an option of where to install it. It's just "Do you want to install it" |
| 14:05.29 | Dwarf | Select "install grub bootloader", and it'll ask if you want to install it to the mbr or not |
| 14:05.37 | Dwarf | "should" |
| 14:05.51 | mrproper | Okay. I need a few minutes to re-install. I'll let you know |
| 14:06.14 | mrproper | I'm making a full install and not a net install key so it's taking a while |
| 14:07.20 | Dwarf | You should be able to go to the installation menu and choose install grub from there |
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| 14:16.26 | mrproper | Dwarf: I think it will work this time. For some reason using the full install not the net install, it is booting the hard drive has SDA |
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| 14:20.22 | Interphase | I am trying to install debian from a USB drive, the installer hangs when it's "scanning disks", how do I install debian? |
| 14:20.57 | Interphase | I'm trying to install wheezy |
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| 14:26.41 | berarma | Interphase: have you other USB devices connected? |
| 14:26.48 | Interphase | I do not |
| 14:26.51 | Interphase | berarma, |
| 14:27.52 | berarma | try looking at /var/log/syslog or virtual console 4 for errors |
| 14:29.49 | Interphase | berarma, are you looking at this page: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=100560 |
| 14:29.59 | Interphase | because I do not have the option to use a CD |
| 14:30.12 | Strav | He. There seems to be an upgrade problem on wheezy. As of today, when trying to upgrade from synaptic, there are around 650mb of packages requested for removal (which comprises all my KDE desktop and the whole xsever-xorg related packages). The packages it upgrades are: perl, perl-base and perl-modules (some perl packages are also requested for install). Anyone knows what this is about? |
| 14:30.27 | berarma | Interphase: npo |
| 14:30.31 | berarma | no* |
| 14:30.50 | zooko-unauth | Folks: is there anyone here working on the Reproducible Builds project? |
| 14:31.05 | berarma | Strav: are you upgrading to jessie? |
| 14:31.08 | Strav | Btw, if I upgrade via apt-get upgrade, the perl packages are held back. |
| 14:31.13 | zooko-unauth | I would like to try to get packages of which I am the upstream maintainer into the Reproducible Builds world: https://twitter.com/zooko/status/373810855726419969 |
| 14:31.32 | gnarface | Strav: sounds like you've mixed distros and its trying to install the perl from unstable |
| 14:31.59 | Strav | berarma: nope, just a routine wheezy update/upgrade my sources haven't changed since a month or so. |
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| 14:33.26 | Strav | here is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/rdLXA3Fj |
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| 14:35.34 | gnarface | lol |
| 14:35.54 | berarma | wow, where's wheezy? |
| 14:36.00 | gnarface | Strav: just so we're clear here, you pastebinned it to prove its wheezy and its clearly not wheezy. |
| 14:36.06 | gnarface | Strav: also, please use paste.debian.net (no ads) |
| 14:36.13 | Strav | gna sorry... I should have said jessie from the very beginning! |
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| 14:36.48 | Strav | call it dyslexia or something. |
| 14:36.59 | gnarface | Strav: there's a perl transition going... my guess is you got caught in the crossfire |
| 14:37.11 | berarma | yes, that's not a regular upgrade neither |
| 14:37.16 | gnarface | Strav: its trying to upgrade to libperl5.18 and remove everything else right? |
| 14:37.36 | Strav | gnarface: looks like it. |
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| 14:39.00 | Strav | gnarface: as I've said, perl, perl-base and perl-modules are requested for an upgrade; other perl related packages are requested for an install. |
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| 14:41.24 | Strav | so I guess it's the perl transition you're talking about. Anyways I just hoped that someone was aware of this upgrade issue. |
| 14:41.29 | LinuxGuy2020 | I could really use some help on getting minidlna package working on wheezy. I installed it and edited the /etc/minidlna.conf file. Changed the media folder to one of the folders in my home. But I get permission issues and Im not sure how to solve them. |
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| 14:42.33 | gnarface | Strav: people are aware of it. you might have better luck getting help in #debian-next on oftc |
| 14:43.15 | berarma | Strav: are you aware what testing is? |
| 14:43.37 | Strav | berarma: yes of course. |
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| 14:44.27 | Strav | berarma: although this package issue is a little below the stability level I was expecting from testing. |
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| 14:45.43 | jelly-home | dude, the very name says "testing" |
| 14:49.05 | Strav | ... I know testing is not "stable", but I also know it's not "unstable". Anyways, those expectations of stability are a subjective matter at some point. Thanks berarma for pointing me to debian-next, I wasn't aware there was a channel for testing. |
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| 14:55.44 | spleefer | hello |
| 14:55.50 | spleefer | how do i change the typing font |
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| 14:56.43 | justakill | how do I know what filesystem type a device has? |
| 14:56.53 | justakill | well how do I get* |
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| 14:59.19 | ompaul | justakill: don't ask on two networks with different nicks please |
| 14:59.26 | ompaul | same people on both mostly |
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| 15:01.22 | spleefer | how do i change the typing font? |
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| 15:02.22 | tuxIO | hi |
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| 15:02.27 | tuxIO | for what is the package lsb-release good? |
| 15:03.05 | ompaul | spleefer: where? what? - you are doing something with some program or other can we have some more detail about the question |
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| 15:03.23 | spleefer | umm |
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| 15:03.31 | spleefer | on windows i do shift alt |
| 15:03.39 | spleefer | and it gives me the Cyrilic font |
| 15:04.00 | ompaul | spleefer: I don't run windows - so can you help me out here what are you actually using |
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| 15:05.25 | ompaul | spleefer: is this in a terminal, is it openoffice or something else? |
| 15:05.42 | ompaul | it is for the whole desktop in which case what desktop on debian are you using |
| 15:06.01 | spleefer | i use debian7 wheezy |
| 15:06.01 | spleefer | with gnome3 |
| 15:06.01 | spleefer | how do i change the input font |
| 15:06.14 | spleefer | on ubuntu its also shift alt to switch fonts |
| 15:07.02 | ompaul | spleefer: I use KDE so I can't comment on what it does - but others may be able to pass comment now you have given more info |
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| 15:13.01 | ompaul | spleefer: iirc you can go into the settings menu and add languages and then click on an icon on the task bar to change it may also exhibit that reaction you require |
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| 15:16.24 | spleefer | ill try |
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| 15:18.16 | spleefer | thanks |
| 15:18.17 | spleefer | i found it |
| 15:18.22 | musca | spleefer: in that settings dialog is an "Options"-Button, where you can enable a hotkey. |
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| 15:20.34 | oo_miguel | when i change grub.cfg, do I have to run something? |
| 15:20.37 | oo_miguel | afterwards |
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| 15:20.53 | oo_miguel | update-grub od grub-install? or is that not necessary? |
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| 15:25.05 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: i'd guess running grub-update is gonna overwrite/remove your changes... |
| 15:25.44 | oo_miguel | I dont understand one thing... I have a partition for /boot and another for / . where do I configure what partition I Want to mount as / |
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| 15:26.17 | oo_miguel | i need to do that BEFORE /etc/fstab is read, right? |
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| 15:26.50 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: sorry, it's update-grub (my bad) |
| 15:27.04 | oo_miguel | yes no problem |
| 15:27.05 | handuel | Does anyone know of any good guides to vim/vi |
| 15:27.23 | oo_miguel | but where do I configure which partition to mount as / initially? |
| 15:27.43 | zykotick9 | handuel: have you tried "vimtutor" |
| 15:27.58 | handuel | zykotick9: No, but I will take a look, thanks! |
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| 15:28.29 | mtn | oo_miguel: fstab, should have been done on install |
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| 15:28.37 | HisaoNakai | handuel: Just saw this yesterday, good for beginners - http://openvim.com/tutorial |
| 15:28.51 | handuel | HisaoNakai: Thanks! |
| 15:28.55 | HisaoNakai | ^^ |
| 15:29.06 | oo_miguel | mns: I want to change the partition that is used as / |
| 15:29.21 | mtn | oo_miguel: and again I say, fstab! |
| 15:29.30 | oo_miguel | mtn: but fstab is on the / partition |
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| 15:29.35 | mtn | oo_miguel: or do you mean during boot? |
| 15:29.38 | whaity | HisaoNakai: that is great |
| 15:29.41 | oo_miguel | mtn: during boot |
| 15:29.50 | mtn | oo_miguel: as in grub, right? that is where. |
| 15:30.07 | oo_miguel | mtn: I think thats what i need |
| 15:30.10 | oo_miguel | but where is it set? |
| 15:30.39 | mtn | oo_miguel: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 15:31.02 | oo_miguel | thanks ! |
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| 15:40.29 | HisaoNakai | whaity: I know right :D Some helpful guy gave it yesterday...also told me this insane hint of not using Escape for returning to Normal mode, but using Ctrl+C or Ctrl+[ instead...godlike! @_@ |
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| 15:48.21 | raptor67682 | hi would you know to chqnge lcd brightness over acpi on a laptop? |
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| 15:48.33 | Monday | is debian's installer and liveCD the same iso image? |
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| 15:50.15 | oo_miguel | can i just rename the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d/ from S00foo to K00foo in order to disable them? |
| 15:50.32 | HisaoNakai | raptor67682: echo value | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness is how I do it, but don't take my word for it o.o |
| 15:50.43 | musca | Monday: there is both, a classic installer and a live-CD which you can install with. |
| 15:50.54 | HisaoNakai | (replace value with the required number...there was some lower/upper limit, I forgot) |
| 15:51.41 | Monday | musca, so if i want to test a debian version i need to download the liveCD iso, then if i want to install it i need to download another iso installer? |
| 15:52.23 | musca | Monday: no, you can install with the live-cd |
| 15:52.40 | Monday | oh ok |
| 15:52.43 | HisaoNakai | raptor67682: I put it in a script and edited the sudoers file such that I don't need the root password for this one script. |
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| 15:53.48 | Monday | musca do you know of a way to test if a usb flash drive is broken, i tried making a livecd and it wouldn't load |
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| 15:54.00 | HisaoNakai | raptor67682: The min-max brightness values on mine are between 0 and 7. |
| 15:54.44 | musca | Monday: are you on Windows now? |
| 15:54.51 | Monday | ubuntu |
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| 15:55.26 | mwn | I removed apache2 from my system a week ago, and installed nginx, now, whenever I boot up, nginx starts automatically and I don't want this to happen. nginx starts whenever I log in and I have to do "killall nginx" to make it stop, how can I make nginx NOT startup when I log in? |
| 15:56.11 | musca | Monday: debians iso are hybrid isos. that means you can copy them onto a usb device (not partition!) |
| 15:56.39 | mwn | I removed apache2 from my system a week ago, and installed nginx, now, whenever I boot up, nginx starts automatically and I don't want this to happen. nginx starts whenever I log in and I have to do "killall nginx" to make it stop, how can I make nginx NOT startup when I log in? |
| 15:57.02 | somiaj | mwn: seems strange, I don't know why it would start when you login, but you can disable the init.d script (start at boot) with 'update-rc.d nginx disable' provided nginx is the service name. |
| 15:57.02 | Monday | i used unebootin to make the liveCD, but it gives an error saying something won't mount |
| 15:57.10 | musca | bad idea |
| 15:57.38 | musca | !usb install |
| 15:57.39 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 15:57.40 | somiaj | Monday: unebootin is known to not work on debian images some of the time. That could be your issue. |
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| 15:58.49 | musca | Monday: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync |
| 15:59.07 | musca | replace X with the correct letter. |
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| 15:59.41 | somiaj | he needs the http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ link I would think since he might be using unebootin from windows |
| 15:59.57 | musca | but he's on ubuuntu |
| 15:59.57 | somiaj | hmm, first time I've seen cp used there, usually i seet cat or dd |
| 16:00.13 | somiaj | musca: oh I missed that, I just assumed he was on windows. (: |
| 16:00.18 | musca | somiaj: i took it from the manual :) |
| 16:00.50 | raptor67682 | HisaoNakai: me I have no driver under debian 6.Ã0 |
| 16:01.06 | HisaoNakai | raptor67682: O.o |
| 16:01.08 | raptor67682 | debian 6 gives me no files into /sys/class/backlight |
| 16:01.11 | raptor67682 | :( |
| 16:01.14 | HisaoNakai | I'm no expert, maybe someone else can help. |
| 16:01.16 | HisaoNakai | :( |
| 16:01.19 | raptor67682 | maybe |
| 16:01.32 | musca | somiaj: you dont need to fiddle with blocksize if you use cp |
| 16:01.42 | HisaoNakai | raptor67682: There are many ways to change brightness, though. Duckduckgo around. |
| 16:02.38 | raptor67682 | not rreally |
| 16:02.49 | raptor67682 | you need to have the drivers and that acpi sees it |
| 16:03.04 | raptor67682 | either into /proc ... video or /sys/class/brightness |
| 16:03.11 | raptor67682 | as I could read on ubuntu. |
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| 16:17.31 | raptor67682 | hi |
| 16:17.39 | raptor67682 | is there a channel for driver making? |
| 16:17.59 | raptor67682 | I am looking into a C code for the backlight; I got chip output but need some more info |
| 16:18.09 | raptor67682 | hardware debian dev |
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| 16:22.00 | somiaj | there is ##kernel on freenode |
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| 16:27.06 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys, how can I make my iptables rules to be applied at booting ? |
| 16:27.13 | dimitry7 | * or at boot time. |
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| 16:30.57 | brilliant_ | dimitry7: put it in /etc/init.d and its runlevels |
| 16:31.22 | brilliant_ | dimitry7: you need a iptables-script |
| 16:33.25 | raptor67682 | is there a debian dev channel? |
| 16:33.36 | raptor67682 | so kernel one ok |
| 16:33.47 | jelly-home | raptor67682: ##kernel, perhaps |
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| 16:42.29 | dimitry7 | brilliant_, okay dude, thanks |
| 16:42.31 | dimitry7 | I get this error: WARNING: The Linux source in /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/build has not been configured |
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| 16:42.47 | dimitry7 | and I am using debian kernel from backports, how can I solve it? |
| 16:43.41 | dimitry7 | WARNING: The Linux source in /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/build has not been configured [/lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/build/include/asm]. |
| 16:43.54 | musca | apt-get install debian-kernel-handbook - reference to Debian Linux kernel packages and development |
| 16:43.55 | dimitry7 | WARNING: The Linux source in /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/build has not been configured [/lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/build/include/asm]. |
| 16:44.13 | dimitry7 | Please proceed to configure the source before compiling |
| 16:44.13 | dimitry7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.48 | dimitry7 | musca, okay, thanks, once checked is it ok if I only instlall kernel package? |
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| 16:47.59 | dimitry7 | how do I configure debian kernel package from backports? |
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| 16:48.33 | mumpitzel | dimitry7: install kernel headers for your kernel |
| 16:49.52 | dimitry7 | mumpitzel, they are installed |
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| 16:50.27 | mumpitzel | dimitry7: why are you installing 3.2 from backports? |
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| 16:51.32 | dimitry7 | mumpitzel, because Broadcom 5720 is not recognized with kernel 2.6.32 and BNX driver only works for 5709 models |
| 16:52.03 | dimitry7 | mumpitzel, only kernel 3 from backports has drivers for 5720 BCM network card model |
| 16:52.09 | mumpitzel | dimitry7: why are you using squeeze and not wheezy? |
| 16:52.09 | musca | !bcm5720 |
| 16:52.10 | dpkg | The Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5720 is a PCIe Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 14e4:165f), supported by the <tg3> driver since Linux 3.0. |
| 16:52.26 | dimitry7 | mumpitzel, because slony1 is not supported by wheezy |
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| 16:53.07 | dimitry7 | musca, thanks... but it says since linux 3.0 ( Not before = |
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| 16:53.11 | mumpitzel | dimitry7: and what does "dpkg -l |grep linux-headers" spit out? |
| 16:53.49 | dimitry7 | this: http://paste.debian.net/32849/ |
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| 16:54.15 | dimitry7 | I am installing Wanpipe for Asterisk |
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| 16:55.09 | mumpitzel | dimitry7: check if you can find a linux-kbuild-3.2 in your backports or anywhere else mayb |
| 16:55.28 | musca | ,v linux-image-amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 16:55.29 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1 |
| 16:56.22 | musca | dimitry7: clearly in the squeeze-backports repo is linux-image-amd64 version 3.2 |
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| 16:57.16 | tuxIO | hi |
| 16:57.21 | musca | be sure to also install the firmware-linux-nonfree from that reppo |
| 16:57.42 | musca | hi tuxIO |
| 16:58.09 | dimitry7 | musca, that's for my BCM 5720? |
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| 16:58.18 | dimitry7 | mumixam, apt-cache search linux-kbuild returns: linux-kbuild-3.2 - Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 3.2 |
| 16:58.23 | dimitry7 | I will install it |
| 16:58.38 | dimitry7 | mumpitzel, |
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| 16:58.55 | dimitry7 | linux-kbuild is already installed |
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| 17:06.58 | StarFire | hey all |
| 17:09.00 | StarFire | Has anyone a Logitech K800 keyboard here? Configured correctly? |
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| 17:15.29 | jhutchins | StarFire: You're looking for extra hotkeys? |
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| 17:25.31 | Delf | Media keys? |
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| 17:25.48 | Delf | Key for calculator and the like? |
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| 17:27.46 | Monday | is there software that i can use to make a bootable usb? |
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| 17:28.38 | jhutchins | Monday: Yes. |
| 17:28.44 | drhouse123 | debian on mac possibly? any bugs? |
| 17:29.04 | drhouse123 | difficulties? |
| 17:29.06 | jhutchins | drhouse123: Not bugs particularly, a little extra work to set up, but works fine. EFI. |
| 17:29.19 | Monday | jhutchins, what is it called |
| 17:29.27 | Delf | Monday: the CD/DVD iso's are bootable. if you do dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sd<letter of the usb device>. |
| 17:29.31 | jhutchins | Monday: You can use cat or dd. |
| 17:29.45 | jhutchins | Monday: unetbootin works for some people, not for others. |
| 17:29.48 | drhouse123 | jhutchins: that is good. thx |
| 17:29.50 | C00re | i used dd and it worked well |
| 17:30.04 | Monday | i tried both those ways, but i guess i'll try again |
| 17:30.14 | jhutchins | Monday: Verify your image first. |
| 17:30.26 | Monday | yeah i did that |
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| 17:32.09 | Monday | i tried this command --- sudo cp debian-7.1.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb1; sync |
| 17:32.13 | musca | Monday: don't mount your usb device, instead just write the image to the device (not to an enclosed partition) |
| 17:32.34 | musca | yes, sdb1 is a partition |
| 17:32.43 | musca | use sdb instead |
| 17:32.48 | Monday | ok |
| 17:33.35 | musca | Monday: and of course: all other data on that device will be lost. |
| 17:33.49 | Monday | omg what?!?!? |
| 17:34.03 | Monday | lol jk :P |
| 17:34.12 | musca | ewww! |
| 17:34.16 | C00re | :P |
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| 17:35.03 | rf13 | hia |
| 17:35.36 | rf13 | please i a pen 4g and nothing appears in my network connection in gnome shell network |
| 17:35.39 | StarFire | jhutchins: No, I have an international layout, but I want the single and double quote keys to be dead to write umlauts |
| 17:35.48 | rf13 | how can i reset that? |
| 17:36.05 | StarFire | I live in Switzerland and these keys are quite usual here... |
| 17:36.36 | StarFire | and at the moment, these keys are quite alive ;-) |
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| 17:37.19 | musca | StarFire: in gnome? |
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| 17:39.27 | StarFire | musca: No, WindowMaker |
| 17:39.37 | StarFire | and WindowMaker has no configuration |
| 17:39.39 | jhutchins | StarFire: Keyboard Mapping/Localle, not keyboard model specific. |
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| 17:39.43 | StarFire | on its own |
| 17:39.52 | jhutchins | !localle |
| 17:40.36 | jhutchins | dpkg: keymap |
| 17:40.40 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 17:40.42 | StarFire | jhutchins: You mean I have to configure that on the locales and not on the keyboard |
| 17:40.44 | StarFire | ? |
| 17:40.45 | jhutchins | dpkg: locale |
| 17:40.45 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 17:41.12 | StarFire | jhutchins: Thank you! |
| 17:41.16 | StarFire | I will try that |
| 17:42.10 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. it's been 2 weeks now and i still have issues with pulseaudio; it constantly hangs and i have to either kill its process and restart it, or if not started at all (?! yea, i know), i have to start it myself. |
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| 17:44.16 | musca | !pulse |
| 17:44.16 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:44.37 | musca | ToApolytoXaos: did you work through this ^^ stuff? |
| 17:45.13 | ToApolytoXaos | musca, i never done anything to pulseaudio; only ran the standard update - upgrade procedure |
| 17:45.15 | ToApolytoXaos | that's all |
| 17:45.54 | C00re | what do you think causes this error with the locale? http://pastebin.com/rq6j17Fv |
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| 17:46.17 | musca | ToApolytoXaos: there it is: read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; |
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| 17:46.32 | ToApolytoXaos | OK musca cheers :) |
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| 17:50.49 | dddd | Hi. I am attempting to uninstall awesome wm. I did apt-get remove awesome but it seems that it still exists, I do awesome -v and it still gives me version and such |
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| 17:54.51 | berarma | dddd: run "which awesome" |
| 17:55.02 | dddd | I get /usr/local/bin/awesome |
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| 17:55.52 | dddd | should I delete that folder berarma |
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| 17:57.42 | babilen | dddd: You obviously installed it locally which means that you would have to remove it manually. Make sure to *only* remove files that belong to awesome though as you might have installed other software to /usr/local. The next time I would recommend to use something like stow to "manage" installations to /usr/local |
| 17:57.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell dddd -about stow usage |
| 17:57.58 | dddd | thanks |
| 17:58.00 | dddd | yeah I compiled it |
| 17:58.02 | babilen | dddd: Also, be a bit more patient the next time around (was about to answer you on oftc) |
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| 17:58.13 | dddd | thanks :P |
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| 17:58.55 | oufo | if you installed with "make install" and you still keep the build directory around, make uninstall should do the trick |
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| 18:00.33 | babilen | (if they provide that make target and it works correctly that is) |
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| 18:01.10 | babilen | dddd: fwiw, awesome is in Debian and it shouldn't be too hard to backport even 3.5 from experimental. (I use it just fine on sid, but all its build dependencies are satisfied on wheezy) |
| 18:01.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell dddd -about ssb |
| 18:01.31 | dddd | babilen: im trying to compile awesome against lua5.2.2 |
| 18:01.33 | babilen | dddd: You want to grab the source package from experimental for awesome 3.5 though |
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| 18:01.38 | dddd | but I'm getting some errors I would hope you could help meo ut with |
| 18:01.43 | dddd | I'm not very experienced with Linux |
| 18:02.07 | babilen | Well, I am about to eat dinner so I don't have much time, but paste whatever you have problems with to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:02.45 | dddd | http://pastebin.com/7gbTfxY0 |
| 18:02.50 | dddd | paste.debian.org didn't work |
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| 18:04.08 | babilen | dddd: I would recommend to follow the instructions our bot sent you (the "/msg dpkg ssb") stuff. Make sure to install the build dependencies of awesome (you need, to fix this error, lua-lgi) and install the resulting Debian package. |
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| 18:05.42 | babilen | dddd: Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 18:06.33 | dddd | Wheezy 7.1 babilen |
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| 18:07.25 | babilen | dddd: Ah, that's fine. And which version of awesome would you like to use? |
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| 18:07.41 | babilen | dddd: It is really quite "easy" ... |
| 18:07.42 | dddd | 3.5 babilen |
| 18:07.43 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 18:07.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:07.48 | dddd | I have done it before |
| 18:07.51 | babilen | judd: v awesome |
| 18:07.51 | dddd | But it was running against lua 5.1 |
| 18:07.53 | judd | Package: awesome on i386 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1; sid: 3.4.15-1; experimental: 3.5.1-1 |
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| 18:08.51 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 18:08.51 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 18:11.22 | babilen | dddd: You, essentially, want to: Add a deb-src line for experimental (deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free) ... should be able to compile it, but you might have to run "aptitude -t experiemental build-dep awesome" and "apt-get -t experimental -b source awesome" .. haven't tested it but something like that |
| 18:11.29 | babilen | is having noms now |
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| 18:35.51 | valgrind | sup |
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| 18:43.27 | musca | dimitry7: did you succeed with the backports kernel? |
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| 18:46.15 | Maroloccio | i am using gnome classic. is there either a shortcut or a gnome-panel "applet" i could add to my toolbar to "show desktop"? (minimise all app/doc windows, view desktop icons) |
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| 18:48.02 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't pastebinit ever work anymore? |
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| 18:48.42 | musca | !nopaste |
| 18:48.43 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 18:49.38 | JyZyXEL | installed only 20 packages with it :D |
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| 18:50.01 | musca | whoops |
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| 18:52.06 | tidux | I run mpd as my user, so dpkg throws a tantrum every time when it tries to start the service |
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| 18:59.45 | jhutchins | Maroloccio: What does Ctrl-Alt-D do? |
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| 19:01.01 | martinfletcher | Hey all |
| 19:01.06 | tidux | hello |
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| 19:01.27 | martinfletcher | I have a problem with my wheezy install |
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| 19:02.05 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Usually because it's defaulting to a bad server/service. |
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| 19:02.14 | martinfletcher | The system default gnome does not work properly at all |
| 19:02.32 | jhutchins | !doesn't work |
| 19:02.33 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 19:02.42 | tidux | ^ lol |
| 19:02.49 | martinfletcher | I think it is most likely a driver issue, as far as I can tell from googling the hell out of the problem |
| 19:03.02 | tidux | what kind of driver problem? |
| 19:03.11 | tidux | is your keyboard not supported or something? |
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| 19:04.08 | martinfletcher | When clicking on activity or username, it is really slow and when it finally shows the window, all the colours are messed up |
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| 19:04.23 | tidux | sounds like your GPU is the problem |
| 19:04.29 | tidux | either that or you're running it on a Pentium 3 |
| 19:04.30 | martinfletcher | It's a GeForce fx 5200 |
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| 19:04.47 | martinfletcher | It's a pentium 4 |
| 19:04.53 | tidux | hah, well that might be the problem |
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| 19:04.59 | tidux | GNOME 3 was never designed to run on a P4 |
| 19:05.12 | tidux | how much system RAM? |
| 19:05.19 | martinfletcher | 2 gb |
| 19:05.24 | tidux | hmm |
| 19:05.31 | tidux | so when you say "colors are messed up" |
| 19:05.38 | tidux | do you mean it's the wrong color depth or something? |
| 19:05.57 | tidux | also, it might be heresy, but have you added the nonfree repo and installed the official nvidia drivers? |
| 19:06.02 | tidux | you'll get MUCH better performance out of them |
| 19:06.07 | martinfletcher | It's like pressing you thumb down on an LCD screen if you know what I mean |
| 19:06.14 | tidux | ew |
| 19:06.17 | tidux | yeah that's a problem |
| 19:06.25 | tidux | if you're running nouveau, try the official drivers |
| 19:06.56 | jhutchins | martinfletcher: You might find that a lighter desktop like xfce or lxde works better on that older hardware. |
| 19:07.06 | tidux | I use MATE on a Pentium D and it's quite good |
| 19:07.11 | martinfletcher | I read about the nouveau drivers being a problem, but couldn't find a solution |
| 19:07.12 | tidux | GNOME 3 is never going to be very happy on a P4 |
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| 19:07.20 | tidux | martinfletcher: the solution is install the official drivers |
| 19:07.24 | tidux | we've said this at least three times |
| 19:07.28 | tidux | learn to read or fuck off |
| 19:07.29 | jhutchins | !radeon |
| 19:07.29 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 19:07.39 | tidux | jhutchins: wrong OEM |
| 19:07.44 | tidux | !nouveau |
| 19:07.44 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). 3D acceleration is available as of Debian 7 "Wheezy", install the libgl1-mesa-dri package. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:07.48 | tidux | !nvidia |
| 19:07.48 | jhutchins | The other one then. |
| 19:07.48 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:08.33 | martinfletcher | Ok thanks, will try that |
| 19:08.42 | jhutchins | The main thing that the proprietary drivers do is 3D acceleration, which is not required for most ordinary desktop operations. Noveau should be fine for normal work. |
| 19:09.17 | martinfletcher | Will update in a few moments |
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| 19:11.08 | bazzer | i just loopback mounted 16 iso images and now my cpu is pegged out at 100% with a process gvfs-gdu-volume....any ideas? |
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| 19:16.39 | jhutchins | martinfletcher: Look at your logs and see if there's anything that's not loading properly - dmesg in particular. |
| 19:17.05 | jhutchins | bazhang: Don't do that. |
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| 19:18.46 | bazhang | jhutchins, pardon? |
| 19:18.56 | bazhang | ah tab fail |
| 19:19.24 | jhutchins | Yep, vanishing users. |
| 19:19.29 | bazhang | heh |
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| 19:26.44 | jhutchins | He could probably do that if he were't using the GUI. |
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| 19:40.52 | mallxs | Hi upgrading to wheezy i get a depend error on libgtk-pixbuf2.0 http://paste.debian.net/32900/ any tips for me? |
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| 19:43.15 | somiaj | ,v libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 |
| 19:43.16 | judd | Package: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.26.1-1; jessie: 2.28.2-1; sid: 2.28.2-1 |
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| 19:44.19 | somiaj | mallxs: what to paste us the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' and 'apt-cache policy libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0' |
| 19:44.45 | somiaj | mallxs: I have a feeling you have/had mixed some sources. Did you ever mix wheezy and squeeze packages in the past? |
| 19:44.51 | cxd1 | could someone help me get my wireless USB network adapter to work properly? it currently allows connection to the internet for just a few moments before it comes to a stop (it doesn't actually disconnect, but it might as well because everything stops). when i manually disconnect and re-connect it will be fine again but another 10 seconds later it will stop again. it's the ralink rt73 |
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| 19:45.51 | somiaj | cxd1: start looking for errors in 'dmesg' or other logs that may give a clue what is going on. You do have the non-free firmware installed (I would assume you do since you do get the connenction for a little bit) |
| 19:46.20 | somiaj | cxd1: some wifi cards just are voodoo with linux in my experience. What kernel version are you running (and thus debian version)? |
| 19:46.26 | mallxs | its on a amd64 .. but i had some gtk i368 libs installed for a 32 bit game bot .... |
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| 19:46.47 | somiaj | mallxs: do you have multiarch installed, and also please give us requested output |
| 19:47.01 | somiaj | mallxs: sorry do you have multiarch enabled. |
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| 19:47.25 | cxd1 | 3.2.0-4 686 pae |
| 19:47.29 | cxd1 | thanks for your response |
| 19:48.04 | cxd1 | i do have the non-free firmware installed, yes |
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| 19:48.59 | cxd1 | it is debian stable but i downloaded the non-free firmware from the testing repo since it was a newer version but had the same problem :( |
| 19:50.57 | mallxs | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/32901/ i don't know how to check if i had multiarch installed, but i do recall i did install and replace some i368 libs |
| 19:51.37 | mallxs | was hoping that afher this upgrade i did need that any more |
| 19:52.48 | linu | <somiaj> cxd1: some wifi cards just are voodoo with linux |
| 19:52.53 | somiaj | mallxs: how did you install and replace them? |
| 19:53.01 | linu | i hear ath9k atheros wifi chips might be the best for use with linux |
| 19:53.10 | somiaj | cxd1: that could be your problem mixing the firmware from a different kernel/distro |
| 19:53.21 | somiaj | cxd1: try to install the 3.10 kernel and firmware from wheezy-backports |
| 19:54.17 | somiaj | linu: They work okay, but the absant of non-free firmware is not the issue usually. That chip also has non-free firmware, it is just on the chip not a seperate file. But ralink/realtek seem to be flaky in my experience |
| 19:54.19 | cxd1 | ok. i did not download the new firmware until just today. up until today i've only been using the firmware from my version |
| 19:54.22 | somiaj | linu: the intell wifi is really good too. |
| 19:54.42 | linu | yes devices run firmware |
| 19:54.45 | cxd1 | so you think i should try downgrading my kernel? |
| 19:54.50 | somiaj | cxd1: well if newerfirmware/kernel would fix your issues, backports should do that for ya |
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| 19:55.19 | linu | somiaj: i have been hearing good things about intel too, though didnt research it that much. im deciding what to buy for my wheezy system |
| 19:55.27 | somiaj | cxd1: no you should upgrade it to 3.10 from 3.2, and use the newer firmware. That may help you if your cards support has been improved. |
| 19:55.52 | somiaj | linu: intel does have non-free firmware, but they do provide good drivers and support for the linux kernel. |
| 19:55.55 | linu | new kernel new driver new firmware. also, what does dmesg say about the card? |
| 19:56.23 | cxd1 | oh ok thanks a lot i'll try that. can you point me in the right direction as where to get 3.10 kernel? |
| 19:56.27 | linu | somiaj: lol why do they even have firmware loaded on by the os anyway |
| 19:56.29 | somiaj | linu: in most cases I just take what every crapy card comes int he laptop I buy. |
| 19:56.35 | linu | somiaj: and not have it already on the card too |
| 19:56.48 | linu | somiaj: how do you do that? i would like to do that to this pc lol |
| 19:57.10 | mallxs | somiaj: that was a long time back .. i see in a script i use "export GTK_PATH=/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0" but maybe while fiddling i did overwrite the 64 version |
| 19:57.18 | somiaj | linu: it is easier to control a file and distribute it if it needs upgraded as opposed to flashing the hardware. I think it is a good idea personally, just the whole non-free makes some peoples zealot come out. |
| 19:58.15 | somiaj | mallxs: yea multiarch is new to wheezy. Seems somewhere in there you mixed things causing huge dependecy loops. If apt-get -f install or aptitidue -f install provide no reasonable fixes, you may have to manually go though and fix every issue, could be a huge pain |
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| 19:58.35 | mallxs | somiaj: but that system is now slowly dieing .. not a big deal ... will start a fresh install .... thx for the help |
| 19:58.37 | linu | somiaj: i think the hardware should ship with whatever firmware it needs to run. then a hardware jumper to allow firmware upgrades, which can indeed be distributed with the OS |
| 19:58.43 | somiaj | linu: how would you do what? |
| 19:59.19 | somiaj | linu: but then you have to flash the hardware, I personally think there is no difference from a DSFG standpoint of the nonfree firmware file is on the hardware or shipped as a seperate file. It is the same thing |
| 19:59.50 | linu | somiaj: theres a security issue with firmware flashing. but yes the nonfree issue is the same |
| 19:59.56 | somiaj | linu: are you sure that broadcom is unspported, I just though you need to use a firware cutter program to get it |
| 20:00.12 | mallxs | linu: they should just pup there spec's and not hide it in there patent agreements |
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| 20:00.22 | somiaj | linu: yea so I think it is more convient to just provide a new patched/secure firmware and not have to go though the extra process of flashing the hardware. |
| 20:00.46 | linu | somiaj: yes its a Broadcom BCM43142 , unsupported |
| 20:00.49 | somiaj | mallxs: leagally wifi has lots of restrictions and I belive by law they cannot give the user access to the certain parts |
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| 20:01.55 | mallxs | somiaj: you arr correct, |
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| 20:02.21 | somiaj | mallxs: your sources look fine, my guess is you have some bad package(s) hiding around causing all your dependency issues in which apt cannot figure out how to upgrade. You will have to track them down and upgrade them yourself |
| 20:02.34 | somiaj | mallxs: you may want to remove all the 32bit stuff you can, and then reinstall it once you enable multiarch |
| 20:02.35 | linu | somiaj: i'd rather a physically local switch before any flashing of firmware is physically possible, from a security pov |
| 20:02.37 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 20:02.37 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 20:02.52 | linu | somiaj: turns a netsec issue into a physec one |
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| 20:03.36 | somiaj | mallxs: also make sure you enable multiarch, what does 'dpkg --print-foreign-architectures' give you? If you don't see i386 there, follow the above instructions to add i386 arch, and then run 'apt-get update', see if that helps fix your issues |
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| 20:04.03 | linu | i believe some sparc64 systems support this firmware protection |
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| 20:05.08 | hanasaki | what is the best way to get debian live on a boot usb? |
| 20:06.21 | mallxs | somiaj: the system is not responding any more :-) i'm now in download mode for a iso for a fresh install |
| 20:06.41 | cxd1 | somiaj can you please tell me where i can download kernel 3.10 so that i can transfer it to the PC with no internet |
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| 20:08.10 | somiaj | cxd1: packages.debian.org (though some say watch out for man in the middle attacks) |
| 20:08.59 | somiaj | hanasaki: just cat, dd or cp it to the flash drive file, 'dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb' if the usb thumb drive is /dev/sdb |
| 20:09.07 | cxd1 | ok |
| 20:09.09 | somiaj | hanasaki: make sure you pick the right device |
| 20:09.33 | hanasaki | ah |
| 20:09.47 | hanasaki | anyway to put multiple ones on a single stick w/ a menu? |
| 20:10.02 | somiaj | cxd1: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae, you will probabaly have to grab a few extra packages like the imitramfs-tools, linux-base, etc |
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| 20:10.14 | somiaj | hanasaki: yes, but not in an easy fashion |
| 20:10.22 | Wanaoishi | Hi all, |
| 20:10.22 | Wanaoishi | I have a problem with a server |
| 20:10.43 | Wanaoishi | I made update and reboot days later and now I can't access it. |
| 20:10.56 | somiaj | hanasaki: a modern grub can boot directly from an iso, so I have seen guides on how to put multiple isos on the file system on the flash drive, then configure a custom grub bootloader on the mbr that gives you said menu and boots from the .iso file |
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| 20:11.04 | Wanaoishi | I know it's not hardware because it turn on properly |
| 20:11.10 | Wanaoishi | and I was able to access hard drive. |
| 20:11.21 | somiaj | Wanaoishi: what version of debian? |
| 20:11.31 | Wanaoishi | is there a way to check if it's boot correctly and in this case it will be network problem |
| 20:12.39 | somiaj | Wanaoishi: I can't think of any way to check if it will boot correctly from just looking at the hdd. You could chroot into your install and check the packages, kernel, and boot things to see if things look like it should boot, but you may need physical access to the machine. |
| 20:12.49 | Wanaoishi | somiaj Proxmox VE 3.0 (Debian 7 64bit) |
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| 20:13.08 | somiaj | what is Proxmox? That doesn't sound like offical debian |
| 20:13.10 | somiaj | !proxmox |
| 20:13.11 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 20:13.13 | Wanaoishi | and I don't have any ways to have phisical access |
| 20:13.38 | somiaj | Wanaoishi: yea that is not debian, and thus not supported here. We won't try to figure out what proxmox does differently than debian. |
| 20:14.05 | Wanaoishi | ok ? |
| 20:14.06 | hanasaki | does debian support the hd intel graphics on the i5 and i7? |
| 20:14.22 | somiaj | hanasaki: sandybridge? |
| 20:14.36 | hanasaki | h77 |
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| 20:15.15 | somiaj | hanasaki: linux usually has good support for intell graphics and hardware. You should be fine with a modern enough kernel. I would assume wheezy 3.2 is modern enough, if not 3.10 is in backports. |
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| 20:15.45 | hanasaki | somiaj: how to verify? |
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| 20:15.50 | somiaj | hanasaki: the only issue I have heard of with intel devices is the ones that mix the intel graphics sandybridge chip with a nvidia onboard card. linux doesn't seem to support that well |
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| 20:16.03 | somiaj | hanasaki: booting from a live system would be a good place to start |
| 20:16.24 | somiaj | hanasaki: get the exact chipset of the card and ask google. I would say you most likley have support. |
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| 20:20.21 | linu | somiaj: i unfortunately have a mixed intel+nvidia optimus graphics set up. I would recommend not to buy lol |
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| 20:21.43 | somiaj | linu: yea that is the one I see people have problems with. Last I checked you could the intell graphics support but not the nvidia part |
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| 20:22.36 | linu | somiaj: i dislike it in the strongest possible terms lol |
| 20:22.45 | nonconvergent | Hmm, backed up /home and backed up /etc |
| 20:23.02 | nonconvergent | I wonder if there's anywhere else I stuck data that I want. |
| 20:23.30 | somiaj | linu: I avoid alaptops because of crap like that. I prefer my custom built desktop, get the hardware I want. I'm still using my same sblive card from 1998 because it has such good hardware mixing and never gave me any issues in linux. |
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| 20:24.04 | somiaj | nonconvergent: what was the computer used for. /var contains logs, emails, webpages (sometimes), caches and other stuff you may want. For a desktop you probably don't |
| 20:24.06 | linu | somiaj: yeah i think building your own desktop is the way to go to get the best components |
| 20:24.33 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: Some things get stored in /var |
| 20:24.36 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Are we talking about how it doesn't matter who makes the laptop, all the parts that aren't ICs are generally mass produced cold soldered ticking clocks the will eventually fail? |
| 20:24.38 | somiaj | nonconvergent: /usr/local may contain custom stuff you may want (if you ever installed stuff there) that is outside the debian system. |
| 20:25.51 | jhutchins | linu: picking random components can lead to problems too. Best to follow a guid from someone who's built one before. |
| 20:26.12 | somiaj | nonconvergent: no, but it is a lot harder to find a good laptop in which all the compoenents have linux support. Lots of the newer features they keep putting in laptops are just a pain to work with in linux. |
| 20:26.13 | linu | my toshiba from the 90s still runs fine |
| 20:26.27 | linu | the guy told me it was tough and they tested it in the factory by running a truck over it |
| 20:26.38 | elkingrey | I want somebody to be able to control my screen remotely. I have Desktop Sharing installed(VNC). I set up a port forwarding rule on my router for port 5900. I poked a hole in my firewall for port 5900. I enabled access in my Dekstop Sharing program. Now, how do I point my buddy to my computer? Do they need my ip address? What info do I give them? What do they plug in on their end? |
| 20:26.50 | jhutchins | I had a pretty bulletproof toshiba I ran into the ground. |
| 20:26.54 | linu | jhutchins: yeah i've built computers since the 90s |
| 20:27.22 | digdilem | elkingrey, yeah, just give him your public ip, should be enough |
| 20:27.35 | somiaj | besides for the crappy wifi card, I have been happy with my cheap toshiba. Though it is only 3 years old at this time. |
| 20:28.06 | linu | jhutchins: i will have to follow a guide about picking components/designing-systems for debian wheezy though |
| 20:28.16 | somiaj | the only issue I have had with my toshiba besides its crappy wifi is it doesn't like to suppend. It suppends just fine but sometimes I have to ask it to suppend 3 to 5 times before it stays suppended. |
| 20:28.19 | linu | jhutchins: or at least learn alot more about it in general |
| 20:28.30 | elkingrey | digdilemL Okay, thank you. |
| 20:28.44 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I've had crappy wifi cards. I've had network problems specific to just me and my equipment, when others running similar hardware had nothing at all. |
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| 20:28.56 | jhutchins | linu: ars technica has guides. |
| 20:29.06 | linu | jhutchins: for debian wheezy lol ? |
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| 20:29.18 | somiaj | nonconvergent: my wifi card refuses to connect to large open wifi networks. So I cannot connect it to my university campuses network which is annoying. |
| 20:29.30 | somiaj | nonconvergent: but it works fine on my prive wpa2 networks just fine. |
| 20:29.30 | jhutchins | linu: They cover linux. |
| 20:29.41 | linu | ah right |
| 20:29.41 | linu | nice |
| 20:29.48 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Yeah, I'm having an issue right now with my lappy's power. I had fixed it, but I just did a fresh install of Wheezy (down from Jessie) in preparation for the new semester and in the name of the stability gods. |
| 20:29.51 | linu | i was invited to write articles for ars technica |
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| 20:30.08 | nonconvergent | Plus that libopus not being multiarch bug is pissing me off. |
| 20:30.08 | somiaj | linu: if the linux kernel supports the hardware debian does as well. Just check what kernel version is needed. |
| 20:30.38 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I can connect to mine, but it's dodgy. Then again, it's just dodgy for a lot of guys. |
| 20:30.43 | somiaj | linu: so for wheezy to support by default you need supported in the 3.2 kernel, though you can get 3.10 from backports. |
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| 20:33.10 | linu | somiaj: yeah. i was curious about gaming in Wheezy too. Just not bother ? |
| 20:33.56 | somiaj | linu: I have been gaming in linux for years. I personally say get a nvidia card and you'll be fine. top end you may have issues, but a 600 series card should be supported just fine with the non-free nvidia drivers |
| 20:34.18 | somiaj | linu: you will most likely have to comiple your own wine if you want to play windows games (that are supported in wine) |
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| 20:35.19 | linu | somiaj: yeah but gaming in linux, e.g. ubuntu/mint. Or how about specificy using only wheezy + wheezy-backports packages ? yes for wheezy i was recommended the geforce 650 Ti too which is also cheap |
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| 20:36.29 | linu | well i need a new desktop anyway ideally it would be with wheezy+wheezy-backports. big lcd, big hdd space, ~9,000 songs on it, hundreds of gigs of TV eps etc. Bittorrent. Also some gaming (eg TF2, Q3A, etc) |
| 20:36.29 | nonconvergent | Well, there's some schools of thought on nvidia non-free vs the foss alternative like nouveau. |
| 20:36.40 | somiaj | linu: I use sid myself, but with complining your own wine and backports, you should be able to game in wheezy just fine |
| 20:37.00 | somiaj | linu: actually unless you want a game that only requires bleeding edge to run (most don't) you should be fine in wheezy without backports |
| 20:37.02 | jhutchins | Using sid is it's own kind of game. |
| 20:37.02 | linu | well i tried backporting nvidia-325 from experimental and i sucked at it lol |
| 20:37.19 | nonconvergent | nouveau can't do 3D yet, at least not in any reliable definition. |
| 20:37.23 | linu | i'd rather see what i can do with wheezy + wheezy-backports where i get fast security patches, and a stable secure system etc |
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| 20:37.45 | somiaj | linu: yea backporting is sometimes a pain, I just install them in sid as jhutchins said, it is its own game |
| 20:37.55 | linu | if i enumerate what i can do with wheezy + wheezy-backports then i can decide whether i want to buy a system for that |
| 20:37.55 | somiaj | linu: I use wheezy on my work laptop, but sid on my gaming desktop. |
| 20:38.02 | nonconvergent | WHich is hardly their fault. They trying to swim through a mountain of gravel with just their pinky finger. |
| 20:38.03 | linu | yeah that makes sense somiaj |
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| 20:38.18 | jhutchins | There's such a range of hardware out there. You can get a functional system for $200-$300, and you can spend over $3000 |
| 20:38.20 | linu | i suspect the jessie release in ~2 years might be great for what i had in mind |
| 20:38.29 | somiaj | linu: though I sometimes end up spending a weekend fixing my dekstop instead of playing games...haha |
| 20:38.40 | linu | jhulst: i usually aim for about $1500 laptops these days. similar for desktops |
| 20:38.54 | linu | lol somiaj |
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| 20:39.05 | nonconvergent | linu: THe jessie release will mostly be where the wheezy release is now. Stability is often more important the new functionality and SNS. |
| 20:39.39 | linu | nonconvergent: in afew years when jessie is -release i presume it will be with steam support out of the box which is cool |
| 20:39.53 | nonconvergent | Fastest car in the world with the lowest mileage is great, but not if it constantly blows up. |
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| 20:40.08 | linu | nonconvergent: i was told i would need major jessie backporting to use steam on wheezy, dunno if thats true |
| 20:40.25 | nonconvergent | linu: Maybe. Don't presume to assume though. |
| 20:40.26 | somiaj | linu: yea jessie will probabaly be frozen a year before the release, and by that time the software in it will be a bit behind, but in terms of gaming it totally depends on what games you want to run. |
| 20:40.40 | somiaj | linu: only a few will most likely require the bleeding edge kernel/drivers |
| 20:40.41 | linu | nonconvergent: i dont presume, i was "educated" in here by more knowledgeable users |
| 20:41.13 | nonconvergent | Consider this just another lesson. |
| 20:41.23 | jhutchins | Remember, version X.X in Debian is not the same as X.X from upstream. |
| 20:41.40 | linu | somiaj: i quite like Q3A, TF2, TFC. Also some casual windows games that arent too high end that *might* work in wine |
| 20:41.42 | somiaj | linu: yea if steam is your goal, will most likely be a pain in wheezy since valve geared it twoards a ubuntu release. |
| 20:42.05 | linu | somiaj: yeah i think steams -linux games should satisfy my gaming needs on my desktop |
| 20:42.25 | somiaj | linu: yea I think the issue is not that wheezy cannot support said games, but that valve's steam package is designed to work with ubuntu not debian. |
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| 20:43.12 | linu | somiaj: yeah they designed it for ubuntu didnt they. Afaik it wont work in -wheezy |
| 20:43.31 | somiaj | so unless valve starts making an actual debian package, there is no way to know what sort of things you would need to do to get it to work in debian (even if jessi is stable, the newer steam packages may still not be compadable) |
| 20:43.47 | linu | yeah somiaj its hard to tell beforehand what would need to be done |
| 20:44.08 | linu | if we cut out the gaming part |
| 20:44.18 | somiaj | linu: I would presure valve to make a debian stable package. I have avoided messing with steam on linux partly for that (partly because I have never been a steam fan) |
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| 20:45.10 | linu | would i be thinking realistically to use only wheezy + wheezy-backports (not sid etc) on a desktop, big hard and storing my 9,000 mp3s on it and hundreds of gigs of TV episodes etc. and using it as my general desktop including that multimedia support. And irc, email, firefox, youtube, programming, etc |
| 20:45.48 | somiaj | linu: so far even when it comes to gaming, the only issue I see you would have is with steam. |
| 20:46.11 | linu | so what would my alternative gaming choices be somiaj, sticking only to wheezy + wheezy-backports (not sid) ? |
| 20:46.15 | somiaj | linu: installing the games other ways should work fine. I have some instructions on compling a custom wine package, that may be the most you have to do in wheezy |
| 20:46.18 | linu | you did mention wine |
| 20:46.26 | linu | interesting |
| 20:47.55 | linu | i'd be interested in learning more about that somiaj |
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| 20:48.57 | somiaj | linu: let me get them from my laptop |
| 20:49.27 | aristoteles | hi debian ppl, when i plug in my usb printer i can see that it ids itself in dmesg. however, i don't see it any any print dialogs for example as generated by evince. any suggestions? |
| 20:49.41 | linu | thank you somiaj |
| 20:50.02 | linu | aristoteles: i think you have to add it to cups or something like that |
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| 20:50.49 | dancus | I have problem to mount automatically a usb pen. Now I try with fuse |
| 20:50.57 | somiaj | linu: seems they were for squeeze, so you do have ot make sure you have multiarch insatlled |
| 20:51.05 | somiaj | linu: paste.debian.net/32926 |
| 20:51.08 | linu | k, will enable muliarch |
| 20:51.12 | linu | thank you somiaj |
| 20:51.19 | somiaj | linu: that makes a single wine-foo.deb package, you can install with dpkg -i |
| 20:51.51 | somiaj | linu: I wrote it for squeeze and wine 1.4, but you should be able to use it for wheezy and wine-1.5, I would have to test what modifications are needed but I use that for sid all the time. |
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| 20:53.06 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Speaking of, how tough is it to cram something in to a deb and manage it yourself? |
| 20:53.16 | queso | How can I prevent my laptop from suspending when I close the lid while at the GDM login screen? I already turned off the settings in GNOME. The good folk in #gnome suggest it might be acpid settings. |
| 20:53.42 | somiaj | nonconvergent: modern debian-helper makes it fairly easy to take a source tree (with the standard configure/make scripts) and compile it into a custom deb |
| 20:54.00 | somiaj | nonconvergent: depending on your needs you may want to read the debain new matainers guide, very detailed on standards and pratices. |
| 20:54.13 | aristoteles | linu: do you know how to accomplish that one? |
| 20:54.25 | somiaj | aristoteles: do you have cups installed? |
| 20:54.29 | aristoteles | in the past, this printer used to just show up when i plugged it in. |
| 20:54.45 | linu | that looks pretty straightforward somiaj |
| 20:54.52 | aristoteles | somiaj: I did apt-get install cups and I got the message that it was already the newest version. |
| 20:54.58 | somiaj | queso: it is, it is upto the os what to do when it detects the lid button closing. |
| 20:55.13 | queso | somiaj: How do I change the acpid settings? |
| 20:55.19 | somiaj | aristoteles: okay, now goto the web confg for cups, and add that printer via its menus/options |
| 20:55.28 | linu | aristoteles: are you using debian wheezy 7 ? |
| 20:55.44 | somiaj | queso: I'd have to look that up in google, but you probabaly have some hooks/events hiding somewhere in /etc/ |
| 20:55.55 | linu | aristoteles: yes what somiaj said |
| 20:56.02 | somiaj | aristoteles: its localhost:foo but I forget the default port |
| 20:56.21 | jhutchins | 664 |
| 20:56.29 | jhutchins | grep cups /etc/services |
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| 20:57.05 | somiaj | aristoteles: you may have to add your user to the printer group 'lpadmin' so you have the permisions to modify the printer settings. |
| 20:57.15 | queso | somiaj: /etc/acpi/lid.sh is probably what I'm looking for. Thanks. |
| 20:57.18 | jhutchins | Well that's silly, it's not listed. |
| 20:57.19 | linu | aristoteles: in the web browser (iceweasel) put in http://localhost:631 as the address |
| 20:57.27 | linu | aristoteles: then i think you can install the printer in that gui |
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| 20:57.40 | aristoteles | somiaj: let me try that |
| 20:57.44 | jhutchins | Yeah, 631 not 664. |
| 20:57.59 | linu | my google skills are leet jhutchins |
| 20:58.15 | jhutchins | aristoteles: Remember you have to log out and log back in after adding yourself to the group. |
| 20:58.22 | linu | i saw this debian wiki guide too https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 20:58.34 | somiaj | aristoteles: if you can't get your username/password to work, 'adduser lpadmin' then logout/backin to x and try again. |
| 20:58.52 | pbxbrian | Hi Guys, what is the best virtualisation platform to run windows guests? |
| 20:58.55 | somiaj | arg 'adduser username lpadmin' |
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| 20:59.10 | somiaj | pbxbrian: depends on what you want. I have been enjoying kvm lately. |
| 20:59.13 | linu | pbxbrian: well virtualbox is free and easy to use and open source |
| 20:59.35 | somiaj | virtualbox works well, I just avoid it because I think orcale now aquired it with sun |
| 20:59.43 | jhutchins | pbxbrian: VMware |
| 20:59.46 | linu | yeah oracle 0wns it |
| 20:59.49 | linu | which probably wont end too good |
| 21:00.06 | pbxbrian | somiaj: linu: I have an old hetzner server that has been running vmware server happily but its days look numbered. Looking to replace. I think I'll give kvm a go. |
| 21:00.09 | linu | vmware player is without fee to use |
| 21:00.14 | aristoteles | hey that's fun using the html interface on localhost:631, i have to go to the room without internet and give the printer another try. |
| 21:00.20 | aristoteles | thanks, yall |
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| 21:02.34 | somiaj | pbxbrian: look at the package virt-manager, it is a gui front end that allows you to manage qemu-kvm virts |
| 21:02.55 | somiaj | pbxbrian: also libvirt packages |
| 21:03.05 | pbxbrian | somiaj: Brilliant - thanks. |
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| 21:05.52 | aristoteles | ok, i wasn't in lpadmin, that seemed to fix things |
| 21:06.07 | aristoteles | thanks for the tips. by the way, why 'lp' is it for 'laser printer'? |
| 21:06.36 | zinx | line printer, probably |
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| 21:07.29 | somiaj | aristoteles: yea that goes back to the original printer protocls in unix, lpr I belive was the command |
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| 21:08.09 | ebhtura_ | zinx: yes |
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| 21:12.39 | exported | hi i had debian on a server and it actually broke itself lol i'm not sure how which is why i'm here i'm kinda curious..i did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it felt the need to remove the current kernel and all others for that matter along with a list of other applications, just wondering what cause that? |
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| 21:13.52 | Toofoo | hello |
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| 21:13.59 | exported | hi toofoo |
| 21:14.04 | exported | Toofoo: * |
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| 21:16.56 | codygman | My computer recently and intermittently boots and the hangs at a black screen after "loading initial ramdisk". I'm using debian wheezy with backports and kernel 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64. |
| 21:17.27 | linu | try booting other kernel, then read all the logs from when it tried to boot the 3.10 kernel ? |
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| 21:17.36 | codygman | doesn't respond to alt+sysreq reisub but pressing the power button (not holding) shuts it back down. |
| 21:17.47 | codygman | linu: It won't boot the stock kernel now either. |
| 21:17.51 | linu | damn |
| 21:18.07 | linu | codygman: boot from debian cd, mount hard disk, then read the logs lol ? |
| 21:18.41 | codygman | linu: That's what I figured, but traveling and didn't have one with me. Off to get a usb drive I guess ;D |
| 21:18.48 | linu | hehe |
| 21:19.13 | linu | there might be a small linux image somewhere i duno |
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| 21:19.40 | linu | brb |
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| 21:24.13 | codygman | linu: okay I found a usb drive (with something, presumable a linux distro on it) but accidentally let grub boot into my 3.10 kernel and it worked.. lol |
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| 21:35.28 | codygman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.16 | cardamon | Crud. |
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| 21:41.24 | nonconvergent | I always seem to forget that my desktop is lacking the firmware needed for the wireless nic I run it on, which makes it very hard to do a netinst without running a capable across the apartment. |
| 21:41.39 | nonconvergent | Suggestion that don't involve said cable? |
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| 21:42.40 | RobbieCrash | Hi there, I installed Debian Stable via a USB key, and I'm trying to setup key files for my 3 encrypted partitions (/,/home and /swap) following this article: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/. The disks show in mount as /dev/mapper/sdb[3/4]_crypt, but when I try to do cryptsetup luksAddKey it tells me that it's not a valid LUKS device. This page (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/installatio |
| 21:42.40 | RobbieCrash | n/188759-dev-md2-not-valid-luks-device.html) says I need to zero out the headers, but will this not wipe the data? Since I just finished installing, I'm not opposed to wiping everything and starting again, but I'd like to avoid it if possible. |
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| 21:44.39 | nonconvergent | RobbieCrash: It's easier/safer if you do an encrypted volume then a lvm inside it. Only one key necessary then, and you don't get into the hole that is mounting and unmounting encrypted swaps |
| 21:45.44 | codygman | Can nouveua be used in place of intel graphics? For instance for the i915 chipset? |
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| 21:45.52 | RobbieCrash | blargh, so reinstall with non-encrypted boot partition, one encrypted volume and then lvm inside it? |
| 21:46.00 | RobbieCrash | thanks nonconvergent |
| 21:46.22 | nonconvergent | Yes, though there's a hole there too. |
| 21:46.37 | zykotick9 | codygman: no, nouveau is for nvidia graphics only. |
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| 21:47.37 | nonconvergent | Someone could install a modified kernel. |
| 21:47.38 | codygman | zykotick9: I'm guessing there are no alternatives for intel graphics then? |
| 21:48.02 | zykotick9 | codygman: not that i'm personally aware of... best of luck. |
| 21:48.34 | nonconvergent | But they'd need both physical access to install the modified kernel and you not to notice they had physical access to install a modified kernel. |
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| 21:48.45 | RobbieCrash | Yeah, but otherwise I've got to use a USB key to boot right? I'm not especially concerned with data on this laptop. It's a personal laptop that I use for traveling, there's nothing unlawful or anything. I just don't want people snooping on it should I get harrassed while border crossing, or have people get at it if it were stolen. |
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| 21:49.08 | nonconvergent | Don't. |
| 21:50.04 | nonconvergent | Because you will likely be compelled to enter your keys in something like a border crossing, and even then it can always be seized regardless of your cooperative status. |
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| 21:50.29 | RobbieCrash | So you'd say avoid it altogether? |
| 21:50.37 | nonconvergent | And even when you might have a legal standing against such action, reality and legality don't always have each other on speed dial. |
| 21:50.49 | nonconvergent | Basically, never take anything you're willing to lose across a border. |
| 21:51.01 | nonconvergent | er anything you're not willing to lose/become public |
| 21:51.36 | nonconvergent | If you NEED a secure machine, take a clean one and mail an image to yourself. |
| 21:52.03 | nonconvergent | Or work remotely, if possible. |
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| 21:52.36 | RobbieCrash | Yeah, this is just for local stuff, storing photos, having music and whatnot. All the stuff I need secure is accessed remotely. |
| 21:53.39 | RobbieCrash | I guess it's mostly just for principal's sake. Being compelled to provide a key is something I'll deal with with legal representation, should it come to that. But I'd rather fight that battle than just fork over acecss without anything standing in the way. |
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| 21:56.10 | nonconvergent | I'm sympathetic. But at that point you've already lost whatever data you have. |
| 21:56.18 | nonconvergent | Along with the machine. |
| 21:57.06 | nonconvergent | And you're have to spend a lot of money to hire even a moderately adequate representation to defend yourself in court, and that's assuming you get that far. |
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| 21:57.57 | nonconvergent | The most annoying thing about asset forfeiture is that it's unconstitutional yet entirely legal and the burden of proof lies in the individual rather than the State. |
| 21:59.46 | nonconvergent | Plus you have to depend on whether or not any particular official, officer, or agent knows the ins and out of the law. They don't. It's policy to be as restrictive with personal freedom and as permissive on authority as possible unless they have black letter instructions from the actual lawyers to te contrary, which tends not to happen unless they get into trouble and even then the letters come out a bit gray. |
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| 22:00.35 | nonconvergent | Did I mention your machine is gone? |
| 22:00.38 | nonconvergent | :P |
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| 22:04.02 | RobbieCrash | haha, but if I get into that situation, chances are my machine is already gone. It hasn't happened to me, but a friend traveling into the US had his laptop, cell phone, tablet and Kindle confiscated when entering. None of it was encrypted, that was in 2010 (maybe 11) and he's still not got it back. I'd feel more comfortable knowing that they're going to be waiting a few years to decrypt the |
| 22:04.02 | RobbieCrash | data to find out that I've got a bunch of mp3s, some vacation photos and maybe a PVR'd episode of Breaking Bad or two than having them be able to access that info right away. |
| 22:05.15 | RobbieCrash | I guess I'm just thinking, that it's insignificantly inconvenient for me to enter two passwords at boot and to have the piece of mind that whomever is trying to get access is going to /really/ have to try to get it than to just say screw it, here's my data. |
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| 22:07.13 | RobbieCrash | So, while ignoring the practicality of saying 'sure go ahead, look around I've got nothing to hide', my best bet to get _relatively_ secure is to reinstall, unencrypted boot, encrypted partition with LVM inside it? |
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| 22:09.08 | C00re | nope, plaintext data is the best |
| 22:09.10 | C00re | ;) |
| 22:09.31 | nonconvergent | Which is why, again, you don't even make it an option. Mail either an entire laptop to yourself or take some cheap you can afford to lose and grab the data otherwise. |
| 22:09.32 | RobbieCrash | Sweet, I'll just do fat32 to ensure maximum compatibility too, yeah? |
| 22:09.57 | nonconvergent | Assume the worst will happen and plan accordingly. |
| 22:11.00 | RobbieCrash | But that's incredibly inconvenient, and doesn't guarantee that along the way someone might not be able to get physical access and install the modified kernel mentioned above... |
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| 22:11.20 | nonconvergent | Oh, but really, I just wouldn't take anything physically across any nation's border ever, when even the potential exists. |
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| 22:11.32 | RobbieCrash | While I know that the human factor is what most reduces security, there has to be some middle ground where I'm relatively secure, and not incredibly inconvenienced, doesn't there? |
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| 22:13.27 | nonconvergent | Relatively secure means not using the same password on every website and locking the screen when you walk away. Now you are relatively secure. Congratulations. |
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| 22:14.14 | RobbieCrash | haha, ok I'm set! |
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| 22:15.10 | LinuxGuy2020 | Does SAMBA have a web gui? |
| 22:16.18 | Sark_ | How would it? Like, what's there to gui? |
| 22:16.43 | nonconvergent | Speaking of which...weeee |
| 22:16.50 | digdilem | LinuxGuy2020, SWAT |
| 22:17.05 | nonconvergent | waiting for partman to erase an entire terabyte. |
| 22:17.06 | digdilem | also webmin has a module for it |
| 22:17.28 | LinuxGuy2020 | digdilem: cool thanks |
| 22:17.36 | nonconvergent | Surely there is a faster way? |
| 22:17.43 | eb0t | hey what desktop does debian load with |
| 22:17.54 | LinuxGuy2020 | gnome3 by default |
| 22:18.09 | eb0t | thanks linuxguy |
| 22:18.28 | LinuxGuy2020 | but you can do a clean install with any of the 4 main ones too. |
| 22:18.40 | eb0t | ok |
| 22:18.41 | Sark_ | but nobody is forcing you to use any particular desktop though. |
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| 22:18.54 | Sark_ | I'm running Debian, and I use twm. Heh. |
| 22:19.04 | mad_mode_on | hey how to remove a user from a group in LDAP? Is there any smbldap-* for this ?? |
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| 22:21.18 | nonconvergent | You can also avoid a DE entirely if you deselect Desktop at the tasksel screen. |
| 22:21.31 | nonconvergent | And choose what to do on your own from there. |
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| 22:22.27 | niteye | hello, i have a package with is "kept back", but "apt-get install dist-upgrade"' doesn't solve it, it still says 1 package is kept back, it's google-chrome-stable |
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| 22:22.53 | Stameni | can anyone help me with my chipset model ? i want to upgrade a processor unit |
| 22:22.59 | Stameni | this is the output of lshw |
| 22:23.10 | Stameni | http://pastebin.com/UFXiMCfc |
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| 22:25.05 | afterm4th | سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ |
| 22:25.11 | mtn | niteye: that package isn't in the debian repos |
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| 22:25.32 | niteye | how does it know there is a newer release and it's kept back ? |
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| 22:26.56 | mtn | niteye: better question is where you got it and how you installed it. |
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| 22:28.50 | niteye | i got it from google.com/intl/nl/chrome , and downloaded a .deb that i installed with dkpg, i don't understand how or why but apt-get upgrade does update google-chrome-stable sometimes on my other computer |
| 22:29.26 | niteye | but that one is the newest debian (the one where it stays kept-back is squeeze) |
| 22:29.34 | mtn | niteye: debian won't update it if it isn't in the repos or you have another source listed in your source.list |
| 22:30.01 | Stameni | please ? bridge: Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML, what is the chipset model ? how to know ? |
| 22:30.07 | Stameni | here is a whole thing |
| 22:30.09 | niteye | i have the deb-multimedia repo, i guess it's in there |
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| 22:30.11 | Stameni | http://pastebin.com/UFXiMCfc |
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| 22:31.09 | Stameni | i need it to know so i can choose processor upgrade |
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| 22:32.57 | dvs | Stameni: My guess would be a Northwood |
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| 22:33.36 | djksdkjsdkjds | I used to be able to run sudo <command> and I used my user password, but suddenly it says I'm not on the sudoer list. Is there any option other than a re-install? |
| 22:34.32 | dvs | ???? |
| 22:34.34 | Stameni | dvs, i don't know what 945GM/PM/DMS does meen, those are 3 seperate chipsets from intel |
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| 22:34.44 | dvs | djksdkjsdkjds: visudo (as root) |
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| 22:35.20 | djksdkjsdkjds | dvs: I can't login as root, I used to be able to with my user password but now it says authentication failed. Is there a default root password? |
| 22:35.36 | dvs | no |
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| 22:36.30 | djksdkjsdkjds | So reinstall is my only option? |
| 22:37.00 | sailerboy | Hi, i'm on a university network, and apt-get update isn't working, it just hangs at "0% [Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 22:37.00 | sailerboy | " |
| 22:37.00 | sailerboy | as far as i know, i ahve internet access though |
| 22:37.04 | sailerboy | hmm |
| 22:37.05 | sailerboy | strangely, i don't have internet access |
| 22:37.06 | sailerboy | but i can remote in |
| 22:37.07 | dvs | djksdkjsdkjds: if you dont' know the root password.... |
| 22:37.18 | Stameni | djksdkjsdkjds: are you using more keyboard layouts, when my password don't work i usually find that i have accidently press shift+caps and changed layout |
| 22:37.21 | Rydekull | djksdkjsdkjds: yes |
| 22:37.28 | Rydekull | djksdkjsdkjds: do you have physical access to the computer? |
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| 22:37.46 | djksdkjsdkjds | dvs never set one, only one keyboard layout |
| 22:37.59 | djksdkjsdkjds | Rydekull: yes, it is my laptop |
| 22:38.16 | Rydekull | djksdkjsdkjds: which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:38.17 | dvs | djksdkjsdkjds: but a root password is one of the prompts when installing Debian. |
| 22:38.22 | niteye | sailerboy, probably DNS or something isn't working, so it can't resolve any names to connect, but you can still connect to it from outside or connect using just IP addresses |
| 22:38.31 | Stameni | you cannot install without choosing root pass |
| 22:38.55 | sailerboy | niteye, how can i test that then? my uni blocks icmp requests |
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| 22:39.21 | niteye | Stameni, actually you can install without choosing a root password, then the other user will be able to sudo and root won't be able to login at prompt or ssh i think |
| 22:39.28 | djksdkjsdkjds | Rydekull: Crunchbang 3.2.0 which is based on wheezy |
| 22:39.29 | musca | !tell djksdkjsdkjds about i forgot root password |
| 22:39.36 | dvs | .... |
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| 22:40.03 | niteye | sailerboy, try to connect somewhere using 'nc' , like 'nc -vv [ip] [port], like some website's IP and 80 as port |
| 22:40.25 | Stameni | niteye, I didn't knew that |
| 22:40.31 | sailerboy | now the internet isn't working at all :( |
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| 22:40.48 | djksdkjsdkjds | ok ill try that in grub, thanks guys |
| 22:40.54 | Rydekull | sailerboy: ping -c 1 google.com |
| 22:40.54 | sailerboy | i'm not getting an ip address from the dhcp server] |
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| 22:41.16 | Rydekull | sailerboy: uh, how can you "remote in" as you described it then? |
| 22:41.23 | niteye | i think having an IP address might solve the connectivity issue :-) |
| 22:41.35 | sailerboy | Rydekull, well, i was remoting in |
| 22:41.43 | sailerboy | so i decided to restart the networking |
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| 22:41.58 | sailerboy | thinking that that may work |
| 22:41.58 | sailerboy | i still have physical access to the computer |
| 22:41.58 | sailerboy | so i just went and got it |
| 22:42.06 | sailerboy | ok, now i got an ip address |
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| 22:43.08 | Rydekull | sailerboy: you're saying you are on a uni network, most unis are using proxies to browse the internet, is yours? |
| 22:43.10 | niteye | type "nc -v 66.7.199.108 21" without quotes, some text should appear |
| 22:43.20 | eb0t | hey can someone advise me on a great pdf reader / editor for debian |
| 22:43.39 | sailerboy | now it works |
| 22:43.39 | sailerboy | weird |
| 22:43.39 | sailerboy | Rydekull, i think so, but how would I be able to tell? |
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| 22:44.08 | Rydekull | sailerboy: take a computer where you can browse the internet, and check proxy-settings on that computer |
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| 22:45.09 | rf13 | hi, my network-manager in gnome wheezy doesn't start on boot |
| 22:45.12 | rf13 | anyone can help? |
| 22:45.19 | sailerboy | Rydekull, i've got a windows 8 computer connected, but everything related to proxy just says "automatically detect proxy settings" |
| 22:45.44 | Rydekull | sailerboy: my knowledge about win8 is to limited to guide you further in that case |
| 22:45.47 | sailerboy | niteye, i get 66.7.199.108: inverse host lookup failed: Host name lookup failure |
| 22:45.51 | sailerboy | but then it starts with Pure-FTPd |
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| 22:45.56 | sailerboy | which is what's supposed to happen right? |
| 22:46.17 | niteye | yup, if u see pure-ftpd appear, means internet works and you were able to connect |
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| 22:46.46 | nabblet | !paste |
| 22:46.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:46.53 | sailerboy | yea, it just started working again |
| 22:47.00 | sailerboy | it just seems that kernel.org is extremely slow |
| 22:47.08 | sailerboy | and several other things are also very slow |
| 22:47.25 | sailerboy | Fetched 435 kB in 1min 31s (4,775 B/s) |
| 22:47.37 | mtn | rf13: is network-manager installed? |
| 22:47.51 | niteye | would be fast in the 80'ies |
| 22:47.58 | sailerboy | niteye, it's 2013 though |
| 22:48.00 | rf13 | yes |
| 22:48.00 | nabblet | http://picpaste.com/bold-gXCl2y4Z.png |
| 22:48.02 | sailerboy | lol |
| 22:48.03 | nabblet | sorry |
| 22:48.10 | sailerboy | and my uni network is approx 1 gbit |
| 22:48.19 | rf13 | when i boot i need to /etc/init.d/network-manager start |
| 22:48.20 | sailerboy | perhaps a bit slower than that, around 700 mbit or so |
| 22:48.21 | rf13 | :S |
| 22:48.49 | niteye | is it also slow when connecting to things on the local uni network ? |
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| 22:49.32 | sailerboy | niteye, there aren't really many things on the local uni network |
| 22:49.34 | mtn | rf13: maybe completely reinstall network-manager would help |
| 22:49.36 | sailerboy | that i can connect to |
| 22:50.06 | sailerboy | Rydekull, i've got a debian computer now with internet access |
| 22:50.06 | rf13 | ok |
| 22:50.11 | rf13 | thanks mtn |
| 22:50.12 | sailerboy | how do i find out the proxy settings? |
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| 22:50.39 | Rydekull | sailerboy: can you browse the internet with it successfully? |
| 22:50.42 | sailerboy | yes |
| 22:50.47 | niteye | i think if you can just use 'nc' to connect to places on the internet theres no proxy settings needed |
| 22:50.50 | sailerboy | with links and w3m |
| 22:50.59 | sailerboy | really? |
| 22:51.03 | Rydekull | really |
| 22:51.27 | Rydekull | else, see "env | grep proxy" or "set | grep proxy" |
| 22:52.28 | sailerboy | guess you're right tehn |
| 22:52.40 | niteye | sometimes you can get proxy settings via DHCP and some browsers will be set to use them without needing to set up anything, but i don't think that's your case |
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| 22:55.04 | sailerboy | niteye, ok, it's doing it again |
| 22:55.12 | sailerboy | where it won't access the internet |
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| 22:55.48 | wonder | Hello I need help I tried to install debian and now when the pc starts says error and shows the grub rescue prompt. What do I do? |
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| 22:56.25 | sailerboy | when i try to do an apt-get install, it just hangs on 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 22:56.35 | niteye | and IP address is still there? |
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| 22:56.52 | niteye | try to do the 'nc' command again to see if you can still connect using just IP addresses |
| 22:56.55 | sailerboy | nope |
| 22:57.02 | sailerboy | it's just hanging |
| 22:57.08 | sailerboy | but yes, the ip address is still there |
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| 22:57.27 | niteye | can you remote in or you only can use it locally now? |
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| 22:57.55 | sailerboy | niteye, i'm remoting in |
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| 22:58.20 | niteye | hmm very strange |
| 22:58.25 | sailerboy | i know, right? |
| 22:58.25 | niteye | any special iptables rules ? |
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| 22:58.36 | sailerboy | not unless they were involved with setting up debian |
| 22:58.42 | sailerboy | i have openvpn installed, but it's disabled rgiht now |
| 22:59.04 | niteye | but when it worked, it was horrendously slow ? |
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| 22:59.10 | sailerboy | pretty much yea |
| 22:59.10 | Rydekull | how did you regain your ip last time around? |
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| 22:59.29 | Rydekull | Do you know of any other linux-computers that are working on your uni? |
| 22:59.31 | sailerboy | i just kept redoing ifdown and ifup |
| 22:59.37 | sailerboy | Rydekull, my desktop on arch works fine |
| 22:59.48 | sailerboy | i'm running windows 8 right now, but i could reboot back to arch |
| 23:00.05 | Rydekull | can you ping your gateway currently? |
| 23:00.39 | sailerboy | yup |
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| 23:00.54 | Rydekull | but nothing outside of the network |
| 23:00.55 | Rydekull | ? |
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| 23:01.02 | Rydekull | like, ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:01.04 | sailerboy | from what i can tell, tehy block the outside headers |
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| 23:01.07 | sailerboy | erm |
| 23:01.09 | sailerboy | icmp requests |
| 23:01.18 | sailerboy | that doesn't work at all |
| 23:01.19 | sailerboy | just times out |
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| 23:03.03 | whlarking | What does 'ip route' say? |
| 23:03.12 | niteye | just a shot in the dark but i'd try swapping the ethernet cables just to be sure :) |
| 23:03.17 | anonymuouss | will jessie use basically the same initramfs and init system that wheezy uses? |
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| 23:03.43 | sailerboy | niteye, i've already tried swapping ethernet cables, i'm fairly confident that's not the issue |
| 23:03.46 | sailerboy | they're brand new ethernet cables too |
| 23:04.03 | sailerboy | whlarking, default via 10.11.12.4 dev eth0 |
| 23:04.03 | sailerboy | 10.11.12.0/22 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.11.13.139 |
| 23:04.16 | whlarking | and is that right? |
| 23:04.20 | sailerboy | seems about right |
| 23:04.30 | sailerboy | that's the same gateway i've got on my desktop |
| 23:04.31 | sailerboy | which works fine |
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| 23:04.43 | sailerboy | well, not fine, but that's a whole nother issue |
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| 23:05.04 | wonder | Can anyone help me? |
| 23:05.08 | Strav | He. (I was looking to join #debian-next but it seems I've been forwarded here instead). I'm just wondering: in Jessie, the current perl package update breaks nearly everything else on my desktop: KDE and xsever-xorg most importantly. Is there a way around this or should I just wait for this to be fixed? |
| 23:05.25 | whlarking | Are you doing NAT yourself, sailerboy ? |
| 23:05.31 | sailerboy | whlarking, no, i'm not |
| 23:05.34 | sailerboy | should I be? |
| 23:05.45 | whlarking | You're at an University? |
| 23:05.48 | sailerboy | yes |
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| 23:05.56 | sailerboy | i've got a router that's currently configured as a dumb switch |
| 23:06.01 | sailerboy | dhcp server off and everything |
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| 23:06.14 | whlarking | Could it be a problem with the network outlet? |
| 23:06.29 | sailerboy | i could check, but i doubt it |
| 23:06.29 | whlarking | Oh, nevermind. |
| 23:06.40 | whlarking | Does it work if you connect it directly to the outlet? |
| 23:06.45 | Rydekull | wonder: retry the installation |
| 23:06.56 | sailerboy | whlarking, the last time i tried that was a couple days ago |
| 23:07.01 | sailerboy | iirc, it worked similarly |
| 23:07.07 | Rydekull | try and try again |
| 23:07.10 | sailerboy | i'll try again, gimme a sec |
| 23:07.22 | whlarking | You should try that. It if works, then the problem is yours. If it doesn't work, I'd talk to the IT people, network administrators etc... |
| 23:07.40 | sailerboy | perhaps |
| 23:07.45 | whlarking | Maybe your device is blocked or something. |
| 23:07.46 | Strav | wonder: what's your issue? |
| 23:08.00 | sailerboy | why would it work intermittantly then? |
| 23:08.40 | whlarking | I've seen home routers malfunction as bridges in large networks. |
| 23:08.54 | whlarking | Specially TP-Link ones. |
| 23:08.56 | sailerboy | fuck, it's working |
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| 23:09.37 | sailerboy | whlarking, what switch do you recommend anyway |
| 23:09.41 | sailerboy | i ought to get a new one |
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| 23:09.51 | whlarking | You should consult the network administrators. |
| 23:09.55 | Rydekull | purpose? class? |
| 23:10.01 | whlarking | The uni's I've been to don't even allow NAT. |
| 23:10.10 | wonder | Strav I tried to install debian now it shows a grub rescue prompt |
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| 23:10.28 | sailerboy | whlarking, i'll probably just leave this one in the wall then |
| 23:10.30 | Rydekull | wonder: redo the installation, easiest way, see if you encounter any error along the way |
| 23:10.32 | sailerboy | if everything else works properly |
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| 23:11.29 | whlarking | Perhaps there's something wrong with the configs. |
| 23:11.54 | wonder | Ryde I think I accidentally installed debian on the USB flash or something now it can't find it |
| 23:12.36 | Rydekull | wonder: recreate the flashdrive then? |
| 23:13.01 | wonder | Is there a way to remove it from the master grub file |
| 23:15.39 | wonder | I can't log onto the is the flash has the debian installer |
| 23:15.56 | wonder | OS* |
| 23:15.56 | Strav | wonder: I'd go with Rydekull's advice, it really is the simplest way. If you still have this problem after installation, google for restoring grub with the chroot method (within your chrooted installed system, you might be able to play with grub, probe partitions, reinstall it, etc.) Other than that, you should check the grub command lines and try to manually boot your system and find with might be wrong. Btw, do you have a recent |
| 23:15.56 | Strav | system? |
| 23:16.19 | whlarking | sailerboy like I said, you should probably consult the network administrators. Although, if there's no real policy there, just check the router's configurations to make sure NAT works properly. |
| 23:17.38 | sailerboy | whlarking, there's no NAT though |
| 23:17.45 | sailerboy | not on my router |
| 23:17.45 | Rydekull | wonder: You dont have another computer? What are you using to talk with us through? |
| 23:17.59 | sailerboy | my router is configured as a dumb switch, i'm not using NAT |
| 23:18.02 | sailerboy | the dhcp server is turned off |
| 23:18.24 | sailerboy | there's nothing plugged into the WAN port |
| 23:18.48 | whlarking | It might be using its own MAC address for all the connected devices. |
| 23:18.55 | whlarking | Some of them have that option. |
| 23:18.57 | sailerboy | i'm pretty sure it isn't |
| 23:19.04 | sailerboy | otherwise i wouldn't be able to connect |
| 23:19.24 | sailerboy | since the uni does mac address filtering, and you have to sign in for each mac address |
| 23:19.25 | whlarking | Yeh... well, you need to test it. Perhaps the guys in #networking can help. |
| 23:19.29 | sailerboy | perhaps |
| 23:19.37 | sailerboy | anyway, it's working directly connected to the wall |
| 23:19.40 | whlarking | Good luck. |
| 23:19.41 | sailerboy | so that's all that's important to me now |
| 23:19.54 | sailerboy | i have other issues, but nothing you guys can help with |
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| 23:20.59 | Rydekull | You'd be amazed |
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| 23:21.45 | Strav | Anyone here on Jessie? |
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| 23:23.46 | Strav | (btw, is it normal to be forwared to #debian when trying to join #debian-next?) |
| 23:25.11 | Rydekull | Strav: its on OFTC |
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| 23:25.50 | wonder | Will the installation delete the current idea on my HDD? |
| 23:25.59 | wonder | oOes |
| 23:26.01 | Rydekull | wonder: idea? |
| 23:26.13 | wonder | ODes* |
| 23:26.17 | Rydekull | wonder: It is all dependant on what you select during the setup |
| 23:26.31 | Strav | Rydekull: OFTC? |
| 23:26.41 | Rydekull | Strav: irc.oftc.net |
| 23:27.09 | james41382 | I am running Wheezy. I see some stuff about icedtea using locate, but not icedtea-6-plugin. If I have openjdk6 do I want icedtea-6-plugin? |
| 23:27.25 | wonder | Ryde do I select guided or manual? |
| 23:27.37 | Strav | Rydekull: oh, thanks! (why on earth isn't it on freenode?) |
| 23:28.19 | james41382 | Rather than icedtea-7-plugin? |
| 23:28.21 | Rydekull | Strav: irc.debian.org -> irc.oftc.net, several years that it moved from freenode |
| 23:28.32 | Strav | ok |
| 23:28.58 | Strav | well I'm off there, my troubles are specific to Jesse. Thanks again! |
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| 23:31.10 | wonder | does the installer automatically partition free space on the HDD without deleting anything just like in ubuntu or do I have to manually create a partition? |
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| 23:33.37 | roger21 | it gives you the choice both are available iirc |
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| 23:39.20 | wonder | So the standard debian installer ISO doesn't have a liveCd mode? |
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| 23:40.45 | whlarking | No. But there's live.debian.net, wonder . |
| 23:41.39 | whlarking | The live images allow you to install Debian as well. |
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| 23:42.19 | wonder | I need a livecd to make backups just incase |
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| 23:42.47 | wonder | unless you know the grub command to fix the master grub file |
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