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| 00:13.41 | LinuxGuy2020 | Im trying to find out how samba deals with share permissions. I have a share with one user with read and write privs. Also have other users in a group that only have read permissions for that share. Only way to get the other users in the group to be able to connect is to give execute privs on the share. That sound normal? |
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| 00:16.52 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: to 'ls' the directory? |
| 00:17.49 | Freeder | Can anyone think of a situation where sudo -u user1 crontab -l would generate 'permission denied', if the user running the sudo command is listed within the sudoers file? |
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| 00:31.04 | eb0t | hey i have debian 6.0.7 can i just upgrade the system to be 7.1 or do i have to do total reinstall |
| 00:31.21 | gnarface | Freeder: maybe hosed permissions on your spool directory |
| 00:31.24 | bhuddah | eb0t: you can do a dist-upgrade with apt-get. |
| 00:31.28 | bhuddah | milage may vary |
| 00:31.47 | gnarface | Freeder: or possibly missing the sudo flag to inheret the user's environment or profile or something |
| 00:32.23 | eb0t | so with an upgrade will i end up with the exact same thing as debian 7.1 or not |
| 00:32.28 | eb0t | buddha |
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| 00:33.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eb0t about squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:33.09 | bhuddah | not the exact same as a fresh install. there will be some cruft left behind. |
| 00:33.29 | abrotman | i think he means the same fucntionality |
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| 00:33.53 | bhuddah | yes. well. that should work, if nothing was broken before the upgrade |
| 00:34.20 | eb0t | right thanks for that bhudda .its a new system so i think i will do the full install then as i need this thing to be real secure and last a long time |
| 00:34.47 | eb0t | ill also look up squeeze wheezy...its totally alien to me at them moment |
| 00:34.51 | Freeder | gnarface, thank you |
| 00:35.15 | bhuddah | eb0t: the names of the various debian versions... |
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| 00:36.06 | eb0t | yes im just reading up on that ..so wheezy is the real stable one |
| 00:36.11 | Freeder | Do you have any idea on which is 'better' ? to use sudo -u user crontab -l; or sudo crontab -u user -l |
| 00:36.26 | bhuddah | eb0t: yes. and squeeze is oldstable now. |
| 00:36.29 | peter2 | Hey all, sorry to bother you on this lovely weekend, but... does this `iostat` output look suspicious? https://gist.github.com/bpilot/6401538 |
| 00:36.41 | peter2 | We are trying to work out why the Debian VMs on our XenServer are so slow in terms of activity like installing packages, reading/writing files. |
| 00:36.44 | eb0t | is squeeze a safe option |
| 00:36.53 | eb0t | i know the jessie isnt |
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| 00:37.00 | abrotman | eb0t: you sohuld use wheezy |
| 00:37.00 | peter2 | The command is iostat without any arguments. |
| 00:37.16 | eb0t | right wheezy it is |
| 00:37.21 | eb0t | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:37.48 | bhuddah | peter2: can you please do an iostat -mdx? |
| 00:38.01 | peter2 | bhuddah: Sure, jsut a sec |
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| 00:42.09 | peter2 | bhuddah: Thanks for responding, here's what I got: https://gist.github.com/bpilot/6401599 |
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| 00:43.44 | bhuddah | peter2: that looks totally normal to me. but depending on the uptime lots of spikes could be hidden there. |
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| 00:47.44 | peter2 | bhuddah: I see. I've had basic Debian install running for hours (which seems odd as I typically complete the install in 20 minutes). It took it 10 minutes on "Preparing kernel image." Also, "Unpacking" steps too many minutes. |
| 00:48.23 | peter2 | I tried deleting a 100meg file via rm and it took 2 minutes. |
| 00:48.35 | bhuddah | okay, this is really slow. |
| 00:48.56 | bhuddah | peter2: when you do the same on the virtualization host it is fast? |
| 00:49.44 | peter2 | bhuddah: I haven't tried on the hypervisor (dom0), actually. |
| 00:49.56 | peter2 | Let me try now. |
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| 00:50.21 | peter2 | However, ls is *really* slow on the hypervisor |
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| 00:51.14 | peter2 | Running ls on the root home directory, which has a total of one file, took about 20 seconds. |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | peter2: how many Vms? |
| 00:51.27 | cusco | try ls on /tmp |
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| 00:52.55 | peter2 | abrotman: I have 7 VMs currently powered on (and 3 others that are off) on a machine with 4 GB of RAM. |
| 00:53.03 | nonconvergent | I'm missing some nonfree firmware for my wireless nic on install. It is in nonfree, I'm just wondering how to get it in the install without covering the house in cables. |
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| 00:53.16 | gooli | can anyone help me with installing the google hangout plugin? |
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| 00:53.30 | gooli | i just switched from ubuntu, and dont know how to handle installations too well |
| 00:53.43 | peter2 | abrotman: I have used 3654MB of 4023MB total on the machine. Maybe it needs more room? |
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| 00:54.52 | peter2 | bhuddah: Hey, that was an intersting test running rm on the hypervisor. It deleted a 100meg file instantly. |
| 00:55.03 | bhuddah | peter2: you could watch your momentary io with iostat -mdx 5 (e.g.) |
| 00:55.55 | nonconvergent | gooli: They give you a .deb |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | peter2: if you shut them down, does it get faster? |
| 00:56.25 | nonconvergent | You install the deb. Read dpkg's manpage first. |
| 00:57.04 | abrotman | gooli: echo "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-talk |
| 00:57.31 | peter2 | bhuddah: Giving that a try. What numbers should I focus on? |
| 00:57.50 | nonconvergent | That would work too...I didn't know that was there. |
| 00:58.37 | bhuddah | peter2: await is interesting. and the %util. if load is at 100 for extended time and you see iowait raise in that time you have a strong cause for overload of the io system |
| 00:58.54 | bhuddah | *await |
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| 01:02.57 | peter2 | bhuddah: Load is util? |
| 01:03.10 | bhuddah | yep. sorry. mixing the terms. |
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| 01:04.39 | peter2 | bhuddah: No problem. I'm trying to read through the output atm |
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| 01:07.20 | ctfi | hello, i am having a problem with nouveau. i installed debian today on my new computer, and when it boots up, it gives me the error "[drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: 0x9EF9: Init table command not found: 0xA9", does anybody know how i can fix this? |
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| 01:10.55 | peter2 | bhuddah: Hmm, %util didn't go over 32. Maybe 7 vms is too many to run on a machine with only 4GB RAM? |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | peter2: how much RAM is allocated to the VMs? |
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| 01:12.01 | peter2 | abrotman: XenCenter is reporting 3654MB is allocated. |
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| 01:12.35 | bhuddah | it depends. 7 vms is a lot for every size of machine. but depends on the overall load |
| 01:12.50 | keepishop | Anyone know much about nvidia tv output? |
| 01:12.55 | CountryfiedLinux | Can I use DD to write an ISO to a flash drive that's running a live session at the time? |
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| 01:13.16 | keepishop | CountryfiedLinux: Probably, yes. |
| 01:13.54 | peter2 | Broken down between the 7 VMs as as follows: 768, 768, 128, 128, 384, 512, 512 |
| 01:13.54 | CountryfiedLinux | ok thanks keepishop |
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| 01:15.23 | peter2 | So should I try turning a VM as the next step in the troubleshooting? |
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| 01:16.18 | bhuddah | peter2: i would suggest looking in the relevant log files of the host for signs of hardware failure like disk drives and so on |
| 01:16.26 | nonconvergent | gooli: Better instructions: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 01:17.12 | peter2 | bhuddah: Like ext3 journal logs? |
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| 01:17.53 | nonconvergent | abrotman: It gonna complain about authentication, he'll need the gpg key. |
| 01:18.08 | bhuddah | peter2: mainly the kernel logs where ioerrors are logged. maybe there is some information. it doesn't take long to look for. and then you can continue with shutting down some vms. |
| 01:18.14 | ctfi | can somebody help me with my nouveau error? when I boot up I get the error "[drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: 0x9EF9: Init table command not found: 0xA9", how can I fix this? |
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| 01:19.04 | ctfi | after that the boot won't continue, it just stops there |
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| 01:20.28 | keepishop | ctfi: Try booting with the "nomodeset" kernel option. |
| 01:21.19 | peter2 | abrotman: Maybe 3654MB of 4GB is cutting it too close for the hypervisor with 7 machines in terms of overhead? |
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| 01:21.44 | abrotman | peter2: i said earlier to shut a few down and see if it gets better |
| 01:21.51 | peter2 | Hmm, 369MB does seem paltry. |
| 01:21.53 | abrotman | nonconvergent: sure |
| 01:22.01 | peter2 | abrotman: Ah okay, that;s right Sorry |
| 01:22.20 | bhuddah | peter2: have a look at free -h on the hypervisor |
| 01:22.40 | ctfi | im using grub, and i dont really know where to put nomodeset, i tried putting it up at the top, but it gave the error "error: unkown command `nomodeset'.", where should i put nomodeset? |
| 01:22.47 | CountryfiedLinux | BTW I have no use for Netflix now. I found something better, and free :D |
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| 01:24.04 | linu | bittorent? |
| 01:25.30 | somiaj | ctfi: I think you want to put it in /etc/default/grub and add it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" part, since the grub files are generated you need to set it up in the defaults |
| 01:26.21 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Haha, and the install script itself inserts it's own sources.list.d/ entry. |
| 01:26.25 | somiaj | or ad it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFALT, i think both work |
| 01:26.53 | ctfi | somiaj: i'll try doing that, but i'll have to boot into a live cd. also, i didnt mean to add grub, i meant to add lilo, is there a way i can go back and change grub to lilo without redoing the entire install? |
| 01:27.18 | nonconvergent | Why lilo? |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | nonconvergent: it does |
| 01:27.25 | somiaj | ctfi: yea you can change to lilo if you really want to, you'll have to do it from chrooting into your system from the live cd |
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| 01:27.53 | somiaj | ctfi: I don't see why lilo would be any better, if you modify your grub like I told you, you'll have to run grub-update or something like that for the changes to take effect |
| 01:28.29 | ctfi | i was told by a friend i should use lilo instead of grub, and i want to give lilo a try |
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| 01:29.58 | nonconvergent | ctfi: You should get a better reason then that. |
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| 01:30.55 | somiaj | ctfi: I would stick with grub as the defaults. As it sounds like you really don't know a good reason to switch, no need to make your life more complicated. |
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| 01:31.24 | nonconvergent | My friend tells me to run arch. His friend (me) tells him to run debian. We're both really smart guys. Granted, I think most of the people in here are on my side. But point is, friendship is a poor criteria for authority on an issue. |
| 01:31.40 | nonconvergent | I'm friends with a lot of morons too. |
| 01:31.46 | ctfi | true, i'll stick with grub, i think |
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| 01:33.31 | dolphin-man | hi |
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| 01:33.38 | dolphin-man | http://stopnerds.org/gnu-and-stalinism/ |
| 01:33.42 | dolphin-man | How much truth is there to this? |
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| 01:34.08 | dolphin-man | The principle proponent of the 'free software' movement, Richard Stallman, is of Eastern European Jewish descent |
| 01:34.19 | dolphin-man | Much like the original proponents of Bolsheivikism |
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| 01:35.50 | elkingrey | Does anybody have experience getting s-video cards to output to televisions using debian? I posted my problem to Debian Forums several weeks ago and never got a response. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=105662 |
| 01:36.15 | nonconvergent | For those running irssi, I recommend /ignore *!*@S0106602ad0756c1c.ok.shawcable.net ALL |
| 01:36.42 | linu | what hardware is available with open&free firmware, open&free drivers ? |
| 01:36.51 | nonconvergent | It'll stop him till gets a proxy or shadowed at least. |
| 01:37.11 | linu | atheros still has proprietary firmware running on the chips, though they dont need to be uploaded. whats got free&open firmware? |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | linu: atheros |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | that's the closest you'll get |
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| 01:38.38 | nonconvergent | linu: You could start hunting here: firmware, open&free drivers ? |
| 01:38.38 | nonconvergent | 21:36 < nonconvergent> It'll stop him till gets a proxy or shadowed at least. |
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| 01:38.41 | nonconvergent | 21:36 < linu> atheros still has proprietary firmware running on the chips, though they dont need to be uploaded. whats got free&open firmware? |
| 01:38.44 | nonconvergent | Oops |
| 01:39.05 | abrotman | actually, IIRC< wikipedia has a page about linux wifi drivers and a cpmparison |
| 01:39.16 | nonconvergent | I meant https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware |
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| 01:39.37 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers |
| 01:39.59 | linu | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:40.04 | linu | thanks nonconvergent |
| 01:40.08 | linu | i am having a good read of those :) |
| 01:42.01 | linu | hmm so basically ath9k atheros 802.11n is the best one i can buy in shops |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:42.50 | linu | yeah i keep hearing ath ath ath lol :) i think ath will work best in wheezy. it was also the one i got for kali linux and openbsd |
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| 01:47.01 | lautriv | hey there, anyone got SCST running on debian ? appears to have outdated docs where neither config nor calls to /sys match. |
| 01:47.57 | linu | i think i have about 4 atheros cards around here too any they work better under any os |
| 01:49.25 | lautriv | linu, better than what ? |
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| 01:50.28 | linu | lautriv: compared to intel and broadcom chips ive used, or really any wireless card ive used |
| 01:50.47 | linu | intel comes a close second, though occasionally it wont let me change my MAC properly/easily which is annooying |
| 01:51.02 | lautriv | linu, broadcom ok, intel not. they do also a good job. |
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| 01:51.27 | linu | i dont like intel, they keep putting "remote management"in their chips |
| 01:51.35 | linu | at an embedded level |
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| 01:51.52 | lautriv | linu, greetings from NSA ;) |
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| 01:51.59 | linu | lol |
| 01:52.14 | linu | Hi :) |
| 01:52.32 | abrotman | lautriv: broadcom is not remotely good |
| 01:52.47 | bobthepurple | so I've got a problem with devices controlled/configured with acpi (in this case, my keyboard, stylus and usb port), that unless the laptop is connected to AC power when it's booted, they won't work |
| 01:52.54 | lautriv | abrotman, i agreed on broadcom sucks. |
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| 01:53.57 | lautriv | bobthepurple, i assume dmesg told you already the bios is sh** |
| 01:54.09 | bobthepurple | yep |
| 01:54.31 | lautriv | bobthepurple, so either upgrade if possible or try noacpi on cmdline |
| 01:54.58 | bobthepurple | upgrading broke the device functionality, I'll try noacpi |
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| 01:56.32 | bobthepurple | before I do this, is there any change from grub-legacy to grub2 with the kernel command acpi=off noacpi? |
| 01:57.30 | lautriv | bobthepurple, since this is the KERNEL commandline, bootloader don't care at all but depending on $KERNELVERSION it may have changed, check the docs from your uname -r |
| 01:58.18 | bobthepurple | thx |
| 01:59.01 | lautriv | bobthepurple, there are also options for partial disabling but like mentioned, those change by version. |
| 01:59.20 | lautriv | so i am alone with this SCST prob ? |
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| 02:04.35 | peter2 | bhuddah: Maybe the problem is that I'm using XenServer. Perhaps VMware's offerings are more stable? |
| 02:04.48 | peter2 | I can't make heads or tails out of this. :-S |
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| 02:05.20 | bhuddah | peter2: it's a complicated issue. io related stuff is hard to debug |
| 02:05.51 | eb0t | i have centos on my pc and i am instaling debian |
| 02:06.10 | eb0t | the swap partition of the centos is going to be wiped when i install debian |
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| 02:06.15 | eb0t | is that ok |
| 02:06.36 | eb0t | or will it make my centos unuseable |
| 02:06.47 | bobthepurple | lautriv: well, that just disabled all the acpi connected devices |
| 02:06.52 | eb0t | i know swap is just junk memory...but does it have any flags set |
| 02:06.56 | eb0t | or somtehing like that |
| 02:08.53 | lautriv | bobthepurple, they aren't "connected" via acpi but "controlled by" , mostly just the power or some triggers, kernel has alternate drivers but you should use them only if acpi is not fixable. |
| 02:09.23 | abrotman | peter2: did you think to ask the Xen channel? |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | eb0t: that's fine .. |
| 02:11.01 | bobthepurple | lautriv: the kernel drivers clearly don't work in this instance then |
| 02:11.24 | bobthepurple | if acpi is off, the devices are not controlled, nor correctly "connected" to the machine, they show us as garbage |
| 02:12.31 | lautriv | bobthepurple, what kind of laptop ? |
| 02:12.40 | bobthepurple | M$ surface |
| 02:13.36 | lautriv | bobthepurple, should have mentioned that earlier, they do anything to be incompatible, in fact they are the source for buggy firmware. |
| 02:13.43 | bobthepurple | that I know |
| 02:14.23 | bobthepurple | alsa has also stopped working immediately, takes about a minute or two to correctly load the process after boot |
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| 02:16.11 | bobthepurple | I'm going to try rebuilding 3.5.5 again and see if that helps |
| 02:16.26 | lautriv | bobthepurple, maybe there are patches in newer kernels but who on earth will assume one buys M$ <censored> to install linux ? you may have a look on coreboot to replace your sh*** bios. |
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| 02:17.42 | linu | microsoft produced hardware? |
| 02:17.55 | pupil | linu: xbox?? |
| 02:17.56 | linu | they prob did a number of things with intent for problems with linux |
| 02:18.02 | linu | pupil: microsoft surface |
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| 02:18.22 | linu | pupil: bobthepurple's |
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| 02:19.12 | pupil | btw, i have a question |
| 02:19.35 | pupil | why does sometimes apt-get, aptitude and synaptic give different package update? |
| 02:20.06 | linu | i'd like to know too, but could you be more specific? |
| 02:20.25 | lautriv | pupil, because they don't handle the same cache. dselect has another too. |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | what? |
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| 02:20.42 | abrotman | pupil: different resolver libraries |
| 02:21.18 | pupil | and which one do you guys recommend for package manager? |
| 02:21.45 | TeddieeB | I always use apt directly. but I'm a command line nut |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | pupil: the one you like to use, or all of them |
| 02:22.08 | lautriv | does dselect, unfortunately it's actually broken :( |
| 02:23.16 | lautriv | whatever, nobody here in used to build a SAN from a linux-box ? |
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| 02:24.03 | abrotman | lautriv: that's not a real question |
| 02:25.19 | pupil | recently i upgrade from stable to testing |
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| 02:25.29 | pupil | but it seems like jessie/sid give problems |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | no shit .. it's called testing/unstable |
| 02:25.55 | abrotman | does that sound like someting that might be problem free? |
| 02:26.09 | TeddieeB | I run testing as my every day environment. I find it reasonably stable |
| 02:26.19 | lautriv | abrotman, the real question was : can someone tell a proper DOC for SCST because it is behind it's own version. |
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| 02:26.52 | abrotman | lautriv: you just want up to date docs? or it's broken because it uses older conventions? |
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| 02:27.21 | pupil | abrotman: after few try to downgrade it, i fail and broken the python in my debian |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | downgrade not supported, rarely works |
| 02:27.43 | lautriv | abrotman, anything i got on documentation doesn't match the actual verion, the config-style and /sys interface changed an no word in the net. |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | lautriv: did you install from Debian packages? did you look in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
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| 02:28.13 | pupil | ah, no wonder |
| 02:28.34 | lautriv | abrotman, there is no SCST for debian, this is from scratch |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | and the website has no docs? perhaps the software is abandoned? |
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| 02:29.44 | lautriv | pupil, the "unstable" part is not meant to be the packages itself but the dependencies, it may happen something breaks because of different libs or the like. however sid has maybe 2 issues/year |
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| 02:31.16 | lautriv | abrotman, website has docs but outdated, project is actually maintained and widespread used but nobody found time to write something about changes. couldn't find any apropirate irc-chan either. |
| 02:31.19 | pupil | and now i cannot do anything pythonish |
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| 02:31.30 | abrotman | lautriv: that's not true .. unstable can have any number of problems |
| 02:31.31 | pupil | it seems i have to reinstall |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | pupil: if you wan tto run wheezy, yes |
| 02:32.10 | abrotman | those problems can includde package changes that destroy data, use at your own risk |
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| 02:32.33 | lautriv | abrotman, true for the ext4 disaster ;) |
| 02:32.34 | pupil | abrotman: i do aware about the risk though |
| 02:32.44 | abrotman | lautriv: so you're just making stuff up ? |
| 02:33.00 | pupil | lautriv: what a coincidence, i'm using xfce4 |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | wonders what xfce4 has to do with ext4? |
| 02:33.36 | pupil | miss read :( |
| 02:34.19 | lautriv | abrotman, mind to rephrase that for an old german ? |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | which one? |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | lautriv: you're making stuff up and lying to pupil |
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| 02:36.31 | lautriv | abrotman, that ext4 counts to the 2 per year and was not a fault of debian. |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | gives up trying get any idea across |
| 02:37.49 | lautriv | abrotman, calm down, since this chan can't help me on SCST i'll leave anyway ... |
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| 02:38.08 | abrotman | is calm .. |
| 02:38.35 | CissWit | not down enough then ^^ |
| 02:38.52 | ctfi | I just got debian installed and working, mostly. Currently the mouse pointer will flicker when I move it, and will disappear sometimes, until I move it. How can I fix this? it seems to happen mostly when I drag windows. |
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| 02:39.33 | zykotick9 | ctfi: you might want to state what DE/WM you are using... but i'm no help ;) |
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| 02:39.53 | pupil | ctfi: what version?? |
| 02:39.55 | ctfi | Oh, sorry about that! I'm using KDE. |
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| 02:40.14 | linu | yeah DE/WM/version/compositor/OS+ver/graphics hardware |
| 02:40.29 | pupil | ctfi: maybe it's a vga issue |
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| 02:42.10 | ctfi | I'm using Debian 7.1, and KDE 4.8.4 |
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| 02:43.00 | pupil | ctfi: are using ATI?? |
| 02:43.08 | linu | what video cards? |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | ctfi: there's an Xorg setting to change your cursor drawing method |
| 02:43.36 | angora | anyone have the TL-WDN3200 working on wheezy? |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | you? |
| 02:43.46 | ctfi | pupil: I'm not sure. linu: i believe i have nvidea geforce gtx |
| 02:43.55 | linu | yeah, perhaps compositor cursor drawing method |
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| 02:44.46 | abrotman | yeah, perhaps |
| 02:45.33 | ctfi | how can I change the cursor drawing method? |
| 02:45.44 | pupil | ctfi: install the nvidia driver |
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| 03:19.24 | wonder | dolphin-man the difference is that the state/government should not be enforcing monopolies on non-physical/intangible thoughts, designs, ideas and concepts |
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| 03:22.00 | wonder | FSF seems to want preserve that freedom in software |
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| 03:28.27 | eb0t | sk |
| 03:28.45 | eb0t | a bit dissappointed with this debian 7 |
| 03:29.11 | eb0t | i did network download and requested gnome desktop and thats about it |
| 03:29.35 | eb0t | i hve ended up with every programe ever written since time began...i have got abillion bits of junk |
| 03:29.46 | eb0t | about 1000 apps |
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| 03:29.56 | eb0t | so im going to have to reinstall |
| 03:30.24 | eb0t | what a complete waste of space that was |
| 03:30.29 | somiaj | eb0t: you don't need to reinstall in debian |
| 03:30.39 | somiaj | eb0t: just remove the packages you don't want, and purge the config files |
| 03:31.07 | somiaj | eb0t: gnome is a very large set of packages, as a meta package it pulls in everything associated with the gnome project. There are some smaller meta packages that don't pull in the whole gnome project. |
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| 03:32.27 | eb0t | yes but somiaj...there is just so mcuch stuff ....it pretty much impossible to get rid of 1 by 1 |
| 03:32.32 | eb0t | and get back to the bare bones |
| 03:32.51 | somiaj | eb0t: there is an aptitude command you can use to remove everythign on your system except the standard base pacakges |
| 03:32.51 | eb0t | all i wanted was the gnome desktop and terminal....and |
| 03:33.00 | somiaj | eb0t: that would be like a reinstall and let you start over |
| 03:33.17 | eb0t | yes |
| 03:33.25 | eb0t | ill look it up |
| 03:33.31 | zykotick9 | eb0t: it's possible to install ONLY what you want with debian. hint #1, install from netinst (don't select anything but the "System" option in netinst section). then, avoid metapackages, and install whatever you want, with little cruft. [by aware this is a level 2, to this strategy, but it's not-recommended! involving chaning how apt treats recommends ;) ] |
| 03:34.11 | zykotick9 | s/by aware this/be aware there is/ |
| 03:34.29 | eb0t | i originally installed an old disk i found but it was deb 5.6 |
| 03:34.33 | somiaj | eb0t: I thought the bot here had a factoid which gave the exact command, can't seem to find it though. |
| 03:34.37 | eb0t | or 6.5 |
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| 03:34.46 | eb0t | and i liked it but i thought i better get the new stuff |
| 03:34.57 | eb0t | and ended up with bill gates on steroids |
| 03:35.10 | eb0t | it took me about 3 hours to locate the terminal |
| 03:35.16 | eb0t | and thats all im interested in really |
| 03:35.28 | zykotick9 | eb0t: debian 5? lenny? that's pretty dated... |
| 03:35.42 | eb0t | sorry it was debian 6.7 |
| 03:36.04 | wonder | Try the lxde desktop it isn't as bloated |
| 03:36.24 | eb0t | i was thinking of doing that...but then i like the gnome terminal |
| 03:36.40 | eb0t | so i thought ...it will probably install most of gnome when i require the terminal |
| 03:37.04 | eb0t | so may as well just get basci gnome |
| 03:37.09 | eb0t | desktop |
| 03:38.02 | eb0t | they may as well just call it windows xp |
| 03:38.07 | zykotick9 | eb0t: lol, i install lxde tonight (on sid) it's 200+MB and installs quite a bit of gnome (but NOT a working gnome BTW), i guess understandably ;) - wow, dejavu with #u right now |
| 03:38.11 | eb0t | not wheezy |
| 03:38.33 | eb0t | yes im gonna do a fresh install |
| 03:38.34 | somiaj | eb0t: aptitude purge ~pextra ~poptional -- that should remove all but the base system on your current debian system allowing you only install what you want (start over with out a full reinstall) |
| 03:38.55 | somiaj | eb0t: when you rever to the fresh system you can then upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:39.03 | eb0t | in fact im going to do that first somaiaj...i have nothing to lose |
| 03:39.04 | zykotick9 | somiaj: OMG, that's awesome (once verified working)! thanks. |
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| 03:40.16 | eb0t | will i still be able to use apt-get after i purge everything |
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| 03:41.09 | zykotick9 | eb0t: yes. apt-get/aptitude are included on debian even if you select NOTHING in the tasksel of netinstall. |
| 03:41.18 | somiaj | eb0t: yes, that only purges the optional and extra packages, the packages of priority standard and higher (base system) will still be tehere |
| 03:41.23 | eb0t | its that purge word that seems worrying |
| 03:41.35 | eb0t | the last time i heard that ...there was NADA left |
| 03:42.03 | zykotick9 | eb0t: purge, means "remove system config files" - which CAN be handy sometimes |
| 03:42.03 | somiaj | eb0t: each package has a priority in debian, the base system is about 500megs and that includes packages of standard and higher, everythign else is optional or extra |
| 03:42.06 | eb0t | in fact i bet its reliable its probably their most used command |
| 03:42.24 | somiaj | yea the difference between purge and remove is if you keep the config files around or not |
| 03:42.52 | eb0t | ill purge deb and ian if they keep this nonsense up |
| 03:43.02 | eb0t | i read that today |
| 03:43.13 | zykotick9 | eb0t: BUT it doesn't touch anything in ~ still, so MOST config files are still in place |
| 03:43.19 | eb0t | debbie and ian made debian |
| 03:43.29 | eb0t | so ill still be configured for all the bloat too |
| 03:43.36 | eb0t | even though it will not be used |
| 03:43.58 | eb0t | ill try it |
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| 03:56.57 | zykotick9 | somiaj: lol, i love aptitude. running "aptitude purge ~pextra ~poptional" on up-to-date jessie, resulted in "No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]" it's shit like that, why i prefer aptitude to apt-get ;) |
| 03:57.11 | gnuweb | im trying to use ruby-switch --set ruby1.8 but I'm getting this error any ideas? -- update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/bin/gem1.8 for gem not registered; not setting |
| 03:58.54 | zykotick9 | somiaj: fyi, after a couple of Ys, it has given me "something" i could (but won't) agree to. aptitude ftw. |
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| 04:01.25 | eb0t | hey thanks ..it isnt so bad |
| 04:01.44 | eb0t | i had the thing set up to be some kind of vegas mode |
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| 04:01.59 | eb0t | i set it to classic mode and all the frills and lights dissappeared |
| 04:02.07 | eb0t | i havent got that much bloat really |
| 04:02.23 | eb0t | las vegas mode just puts every single app on one sheet |
| 04:02.35 | eb0t | maing it look like overkill |
| 04:02.41 | eb0t | im quite happy really |
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| 04:09.31 | zykotick9 | zerocom: the next time that "stuff" happens, open a terminal, and type "dmesg" it'll scroll a lot of stuff past you, but read the end stuff (that you can still see). look for stuff dealing with sdXY. when you unplug/replug the USB, try running dmesg in between and looking for changes (on that same last screen, that you can actually see when you run dmesg ;) |
| 04:09.41 | zykotick9 | shit - wrong channel! |
| 04:09.57 | eb0t | or you can do dmesg | less |
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| 04:10.03 | eb0t | and then you can scroll it all |
| 04:10.20 | zykotick9 | eb0t: i too, am a fan of less ;) |
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| 04:10.35 | eb0t | yes i learned it last week and love that thing |
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| 04:11.43 | zykotick9 | eb0t: there are times when more, still showing things after exiting - comes in MORE handy ;) |
| 04:12.03 | eb0t | yes i used that too ..didnt realise |
| 04:12.39 | eb0t | hey adobe flash stuff doesnt play on debian |
| 04:13.05 | eb0t | im going to have to do summet about that SHARPISH |
| 04:13.43 | zykotick9 | is unignoring wilee-nilee, although he recommeds using non-free software on a regular bases... |
| 04:13.47 | zykotick9 | FUCK!!! |
| 04:14.09 | eb0t | he is going against the grain |
| 04:14.20 | eb0t | even non free software is still free software really |
| 04:14.26 | zykotick9 | <OT> irssi REALLY needs to be able to track eye movement ;) |
| 04:14.52 | eb0t | im on that weechat-curses |
| 04:15.00 | eb0t | i thought the irssi was too complex |
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| 04:25.48 | zykotick9 | <OT2> just an update to my above unignore, within a few minutes, that users was giving MS chksdk instructions to a user in #ubuntu, and a re-ignored them...</OT sorry, but did feel update was warranted> |
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| 04:27.07 | zykotick9 | eb0t: i LOVE weechat's real time spell checking feature! other then that... i was unmoved, and ended up returning to irssi for stabiliy. |
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| 04:35.34 | nonconvergent | How's btrfs in wheezy? |
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| 04:46.17 | W3ird_N3rd | hi, I hope someone has experience with v4l-dvb drivers here.. I followed http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers |
| 04:46.34 | W3ird_N3rd | but on Debian for some reason, the em28xx driver is disabled in v4l/.config |
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| 04:46.44 | W3ird_N3rd | I can enable it, but that leads to strange errors |
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| 04:47.10 | vmiimu_ | just installed wheezy from iso as virtualbox guest and need help with guest additions. |
| 04:48.15 | ctfi_ | i seem to be having a fairly serious problem with switching to different TTYs. For example, if I switch to TTY1, then back to TTY7, and finally TTY1 again, my computer will just freeze. I can't poweroff (the button doesn't do anything), and sysreq doesn't work. I have to hard reboot. It's already happened twice. Is there a way I can fix this? |
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| 04:49.24 | W3ird_N3rd | ctfi_, maybe graphics card issue |
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| 04:50.23 | W3ird_N3rd | perhaps you can try to enable/disable kernel modesetting |
| 04:50.40 | ctfi_ | W3ird_N3rd: Maybe, but I can switch to TTY1 and back to 7, it will freeze if I attempt to go to TTY1 a second time. I have the nomodeset option on, because I just get a nouveau error if I don't. |
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| 04:57.58 | toothpick | how to make Samba Drive shortcut in Debian wheezy? |
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| 05:06.38 | cxd1 | hey linux pros. anyone know how to install a WM/DE on the debian stardard liveCD i installed which came without one and the computer does not have internet access? |
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| 05:07.27 | W3ird_N3rd | what do you want? install a WM/DE on a livecd? |
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| 05:08.44 | W3ird_N3rd | do you just want something like "apt-get install gnome"? (that should work) |
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| 05:11.28 | cxd1 | but there's no internet |
| 05:11.37 | cxd1 | the wireless USB card doesn't seem to work on it |
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| 05:12.30 | cxd1 | ya I just want something like apt-get install openbox or xfce but can't because the wireless card doesn't seem to work with debian |
| 05:13.19 | nonconvergent | cxd1: It probably needs firmware. |
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| 05:13.58 | nonconvergent | cxd1: What's "lspci -nn | grep [Nn]etwork" say? |
| 05:15.22 | toothpick | yes, please post the result of lspci |
| 05:15.52 | cxd1 | sure |
| 05:15.58 | nonconvergent | Oops, might be lsusb since it's a usb thing |
| 05:16.06 | nonconvergent | That would make more sense. |
| 05:16.07 | toothpick | that's right |
| 05:16.46 | cxd1 | from lsusb: Bus 001 Device 010: ID 13b1:0020 Linksys WUSB54GC v1 802.11g Adapter [Ralink RT73] |
| 05:16.51 | nonconvergent | toothpick: You were sarcastic on the internet. Congratulations. Surely all of use are better for it. |
| 05:17.26 | cxd1 | there's a package called ralink-firmware which i downloaded but the issue is the connection only works for 5 seconds and then stops. if i restart it then it will work for another 5 seconds and then stop. |
| 05:18.08 | toothpick | nonconvergent: i don't understand nor do sarcasm |
| 05:18.23 | cxd1 | what's strange is that it does not actually disconnect, although you would think it had because all network activity stops after 5 seconds of connecting to the wifi network |
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| 05:23.08 | toothpick | cxd1: what does lsusb | grep wifi show you? |
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| 05:23.49 | cxd1 | nothing.. it just returned to the command prompt |
| 05:23.53 | nonconvergent | cxd1: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
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| 05:24.11 | toothpick | cxd1: sorry just post result of lsusb |
| 05:24.16 | toothpick | cxd1: without grep |
| 05:24.33 | nonconvergent | see if anything there is new to you |
| 05:25.01 | cxd1 | thanks nonconvergent. I found that link before and it instructs to download ralink-firmware package which I did but no luck. it shows that it is connected to the network but it's really not because it slows to a complete halt 5 seconds after connection |
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| 05:25.15 | cxd1 | so i can at least get 5 seconds of internet access at a time on it. lol |
| 05:25.53 | toothpick | cxd1: please post result of lsusb without grep |
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| 05:26.46 | LtL | cxd1: don't paste more than 3 lines ! |
| 05:27.07 | LtL | cxd1: pastebinit is your friend. |
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| 05:35.10 | cxd1 | sorry i was disconnected. did you get my lsusb output? |
| 05:35.38 | nonconvergent | No, try again |
| 05:35.45 | nonconvergent | pastebinit |
| 05:36.12 | LtL | cxd1: use http://paste.debian.net/ ..pastebinit is a good thing to install. |
| 05:36.34 | cxd1 | ok |
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| 05:37.45 | cxd1 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e41bbc11/ |
| 05:38.04 | cxd1 | the device in question is the last line there (ralink). |
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| 05:39.56 | toothpick | cxd1: please see this. This directly relates to the chip you have |
| 05:40.00 | toothpick | cxd1: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 05:40.36 | cxd1 | thanks i had already visited that page and it tells me to install the non-free package ralink-firmware which I did |
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| 05:41.29 | toothpick | cxd1: okay, then what happens. please elaborate |
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| 05:41.55 | cxd1 | the device connects to the network but 5 seconds after connection it slows to a complete halt. if i disconnect and reconnect to the network, it will work fine for another 5 seconds and then halt again (without actually indicating that it has disconnected) |
| 05:42.17 | cxd1 | it's a popular wireless card and you would think others have had this issue but i searched online with no luck |
| 05:42.42 | cxd1 | so i can browse the net for 5 seconds at a time. lol |
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| 05:43.57 | toothpick | cxd1: understood. Have you had a chance to test that usb wifi card on a windows system? |
| 05:44.04 | toothpick | cxd1: I'm assuming it works fine there? |
| 05:44.24 | cxd1 | yes it works there |
| 05:44.46 | cxd1 | but it won't work properly on linux |
| 05:45.41 | cxd1 | i have another card (the other entry above rt73 on the output) which i am using right now through ndiswrapper |
| 05:46.42 | cxd1 | at least this one works but i wish there was a linux-way to do it without windows drivers |
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| 05:47.24 | toothpick | cxd1: those drivers in wiki should work flawlessly with that chip |
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| 05:47.50 | nonconvergent | Time to log at logs WHEN it disconnects. |
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| 05:48.11 | nonconvergent | s/"log at logs"/look at logs/ |
| 05:48.42 | nonconvergent | kern.log and dmesg |
| 05:49.07 | cxd1 | i downloaded the "firmware-ralink" package on that page but it didn't help :( |
| 05:49.27 | toothpick | cxd1: take nonconvergent's suggestion, time to check the log files to see what's going on |
| 05:49.27 | cxd1 | alright nonconvergent |
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| 05:51.24 | cxd1 | thanks for the advice you two |
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| 05:53.59 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys! I've got an error when updating firefox: http://pastebin.com/hYGapKe7 has anyone faced this error? |
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| 05:58.30 | WizmaN | anyone know how to get packages to run as a normal user without sudo? like synaptic? I'm running a minimal installation, and so far, all I have is xfce4, xdm, and Xorg-server installed |
| 05:59.12 | WizmaN | all I receive are 'bash: command not found' messages - I'm not sure how to go about this (I'm pretty new to linux in general) |
| 05:59.30 | anonymuouss | try "su" |
| 05:59.35 | anonymuouss | and take root |
| 05:59.59 | anonymuouss | then you can install synaptic if you want to |
| 06:00.15 | WizmaN | the commands are recognized when I run sudo or su, but programs that require root access, like synaptic, do not launch from xfce's menu |
| 06:00.42 | WizmaN | but if I use sudo, then I see the window for entering my admin password |
| 06:00.47 | anonymuouss | you can use "gksudo" coordinated with your application launcher |
| 06:01.00 | ggoes | Oh, /sbin and /usr/sbin are probably not in your user's path. |
| 06:01.22 | WizmaN | after researching online, I managed to figure that out already - I have gksudo downloaded and installed |
| 06:01.30 | WizmaN | yeah, I was reading up on something like that |
| 06:01.34 | WizmaN | with the $PATH stuff |
| 06:01.43 | WizmaN | don't know how to edit or what to add, etc |
| 06:01.47 | WizmaN | or where the files are |
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| 06:04.08 | WizmaN | gksudo, sudo, su, all of those work fine. however, when I run commands as my normal user, I receive bash: command not found messages. where do I go about adding /sbin and /usr/sbin entries for my $PATH variable? |
| 06:04.09 | icedtea | when building a .deb, what can I do to fix the following error: maintainer-script-lacks-debhelper-token |
| 06:04.18 | icedtea | or warning rather |
| 06:05.05 | icedtea | nevermind found it with google |
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| 06:15.38 | PoG | how do i ban someone that i cant get a host for |
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| 06:16.12 | PoG | Host green156.evergreenserver.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 06:16.20 | PoG | so i cant add to iptables |
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| 06:17.49 | LtL | PoG: leave out the subdomain and just use evergreenserver.com .. but that's very broad |
| 06:19.45 | PoG | i tried that, didnt seem to work |
| 06:20.01 | PoG | i thinking its maybe not actually an evergreenserver connection |
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| 06:23.26 | nonconvergent | I've been using invoke-rc.d to start/stop/restart/status services. Should I not be? |
| 06:23.36 | zcat[1] | this should be a simple question but I can't seem to figure it out. Something on my network is using lots of traffic even when nobody is home. Machines all have fixed (via dhcpd) address and use a debian box asa gateway. How do I find what IP is using the internet and where it's conencting to? |
| 06:23.42 | LtL | PoG: #netfilter would be a good source for information on that if noone here can help. |
| 06:24.58 | PoG | cheers |
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| 06:27.18 | LtL | PoG: best of luck |
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| 06:30.01 | mascotte | ciao |
| 06:30.04 | mascotte | !list |
| 06:30.04 | dpkg | mascotte: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 06:32.25 | zcat[1] | anyone? |
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| 06:33.16 | WizmaN | how do I add /sbin to my normal user's PATH? |
| 06:33.29 | toothpick | LtL: bro , i just installed virtual box, and am getting near native speeds in my open gl game.. how the heck |
| 06:34.14 | zykotick9 | Wizrd: i'd look at ~/.bashrc (but it's not something i do) |
| 06:34.25 | zykotick9 | WizmaN: ^ |
| 06:34.33 | WizmaN | ty |
| 06:35.16 | WizmaN | I'm just wondering why xfce won't launch the admin password dialog for synaptic from the menu - it won't launch at all unless I use gksudo from a terminal |
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| 06:36.25 | zykotick9 | WizmaN: so, isn't there some way to customize you menu with "gksudo synaptic"? |
| 06:37.44 | nonconvergent | huh. |
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| 06:38.16 | nonconvergent | Across two monitors. |
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| 06:39.00 | nonconvergent | WizmaN: export PATH="$PATH:/sbin" in ~/.bashrc, and have ~/.bash_profile source .bashrc |
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| 06:39.32 | WizmaN | gtk-warning: cannot open display: :0.0 |
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| 06:40.09 | zykotick9 | WizmaN: are you in X or console? |
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| 06:40.31 | WizmaN | run as my normal user, I get command not found; run as sudo, I get gtk-warning: cannot open display: :0.0; run as gksudo, dialog for password entering appears, gui opens for synaptic |
| 06:40.43 | WizmaN | I am in X |
| 06:40.50 | WizmaN | well, xfce's desktop environment |
| 06:41.06 | nonconvergent | Never use sudo to launch a gui. It needs access to the display, which the shell does not give it. |
| 06:41.18 | nonconvergent | Use gksudo or kdesu |
| 06:41.39 | WizmaN | oh |
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| 06:42.12 | WizmaN | shouldn't I still be able to launch programs like synaptic though as a normal user - from the terminal or the main menu? |
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| 06:42.40 | nonconvergent | WizmaN: Yes, and they tend to get a gksudo prompt. |
| 06:42.41 | zykotick9 | WizmaN: ;) yes, by using gksudo... |
| 06:42.57 | WizmaN | I see >_< |
| 06:43.14 | WizmaN | so I need to somehow fix the shortcuts being created in xfce's main menu to use gksudo ? |
| 06:43.26 | zykotick9 | WizmaN: yes. |
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| 06:43.47 | WizmaN | I have absolutely no idea how to do that xD |
| 06:44.17 | WizmaN | with my touchpad, I cannot right-click anything in the main menu - only on the panel, windows, etc |
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| 06:44.53 | zykotick9 | WizmaN: don't ask me ;) i don't even have sudo/gksudo install |
| 06:45.27 | zykotick9 | s/install/installed/ |
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| 07:01.54 | nonconvergent | Need to set xrandr for lightdm rather than after it as an autostart. I'm going crosseyed at login |
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| 07:04.50 | none | Hi is there anybody here? |
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| 07:05.46 | LtL | none: yes |
| 07:05.59 | none | I need help with a virtual machine connection to internet through a hoste connecte to a router trough a access point |
| 07:06.11 | none | Hi LtL |
| 07:06.40 | none | Hi |
| 07:06.46 | LtL | hi none, wish i could help, i think others can though |
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| 07:08.46 | LtL | none: try a more specific question to the problem if you can. VM's are not my strong suit |
| 07:09.22 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm running wheezy inside a vm and i have mounted a shared folder by adding this line in fstab: media /media/Shares vboxsf defaults 0 0.....in virtualbox share, i given the guest OS write permission but i could only create a folder but i can't write anything in that folder once created; is there any way to fix this? |
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| 07:10.52 | none | I think it's a networking issue LtL |
| 07:11.49 | LtL | none: it's a common issue here but i've no experience with virtual machines. |
| 07:12.05 | paranoidphreak | none: does the host OS have access to the internet? |
| 07:12.19 | none | virtual machine with dhcp connected thorugh a bridge host(192.168.0.20) connected through a bridge (192.168.0.10) to a router gateway(192.168.0.1) |
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| 07:12.38 | none | 192.168.0.20 has acces to the internet |
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| 07:13.14 | none | 192.168.0.10 is an access point |
| 07:13.29 | none | in client mode |
| 07:13.40 | none | connected by wifi to the router |
| 07:14.25 | none | paranoidphreak, yes the host OS has access to the internet trough the access point connected by wifi in client mode to the router gateway |
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| 07:16.10 | toothpick | none: what is your specific question, can you give us a better understanding of your network topology? |
| 07:17.17 | toothpick | none: if you want the VM to request it's own ip directly from the gateway/dhcp server then set the adapter type to bridged mode |
| 07:17.35 | none | VM===host===accesspoint====router |
| 07:17.51 | none | vm===/X/===router |
| 07:18.03 | toothpick | alright. so what is the problem sir? is VM not connecting to the internet? |
| 07:18.20 | none | that's the issue toothpick |
| 07:18.44 | none | there isn't ping to the router from the vm |
| 07:18.52 | none | of course the vm is in bridge mode |
| 07:19.19 | none | how it should be |
| 07:19.34 | toothpick | what specific client are you using? virtual box? |
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| 07:19.53 | none | but there is ping to the host from the vm |
| 07:19.58 | none | virtualbox |
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| 07:20.23 | toothpick | what is the guest OS? |
| 07:20.27 | none | debian |
| 07:20.34 | toothpick | ok and what is the host OS? |
| 07:20.37 | none | debian |
| 07:20.44 | none | debian 7 both |
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| 07:21.14 | toothpick | can you run ifconfig on host and post the result |
| 07:21.22 | toothpick | and also ifconfig on guest |
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| 07:21.57 | none | not now sorry |
| 07:22.32 | toothpick | ok then i'm not sure if we can help you unless you give us more detail |
| 07:22.40 | none | I think maybe it needs a routing configuration or something else |
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| 07:23.10 | none | just are in basic dhcp configuration |
| 07:23.13 | toothpick | try NAT mode instead |
| 07:23.18 | toothpick | on the guest os |
| 07:23.21 | none | of course |
| 07:23.34 | none | that's the way to make it run |
| 07:23.39 | toothpick | i see. |
| 07:23.42 | none | but no my question |
| 07:23.47 | toothpick | but it doesn't work with bridged mode |
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| 07:24.25 | none | I tried the same configuration in a system without AP in the middle |
| 07:24.33 | none | and it runned properly |
| 07:24.35 | toothpick | seems your dhcp is not providing additional ip address to the guest. Almost certain the issue is not related to host or guest |
| 07:24.53 | none | I tried with static ips to |
| 07:25.18 | none | I think that the router doesn't hear the vm |
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| 07:25.35 | toothpick | it does without the AP |
| 07:26.48 | none | yes but my question is how to with the ap |
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| 07:27.19 | toothpick | what is the model and name of the AP? |
| 07:27.23 | none | how to do* |
| 07:27.42 | raptor67782 | that broadcom is pain really. took me some time to figure out how to install that |
| 07:28.00 | none | dlink dwl210AP |
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| 07:28.05 | none | dlink dwl2100AP |
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| 07:30.06 | toothpick | none: is the AP in static mode or dhcp is enabled? |
| 07:30.23 | uplate | zeeflo - what do you mean "demand data"? Are you sure it's not using loopback? "sudo route -n" should show you waht's getting routed where? |
| 07:30.51 | none | toothpick, i'll go to see |
| 07:32.10 | none | static mode toothpick |
| 07:32.17 | toothpick | ok, set it to dhcp mode |
| 07:32.25 | MrHotsauce | hi i just did a fresh install of debian stable (using the net install iso) i chose to install the xfce desktop environment. Is there anyway to "tap" my touchpad and have it act like a mouse click? |
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| 07:32.41 | toothpick | and flush the ip in both host and guest |
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| 07:33.07 | MrHotsauce | i can only currently click the mouse by..well clicking and i really need the tap function as the buttons are built into the touchpad (its a netbook) |
| 07:33.15 | none | Is not possible to configure with static ips? toothpick |
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| 07:33.29 | toothpick | none: looking at your specific unit, no |
| 07:33.35 | none | I need to open ports in nat configuration of the router for the virtual machine |
| 07:34.00 | toothpick | none: no need, just leave the guest in bridged mode for now to test |
| 07:34.03 | none | maybe with routes or somelse configuration |
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| 07:34.21 | none | oh i'll try to do it |
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| 07:37.59 | none | excuse-me toothpick some information: |
| 07:38.36 | none | I've maded a nmap -sP 192.168.0.0-255 and the result is 0 hosts up |
| 07:38.44 | none | since the host machine |
| 07:39.04 | none | the host machine is actually connected to the internet |
| 07:39.30 | none | oh |
| 07:39.33 | none | never mind |
| 07:39.48 | none | I've been made a little mistake |
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| 07:39.55 | none | 4 hosts up |
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| 07:40.39 | toothpick | none: therefore your guest now should have access to the internet in bridge mode |
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| 07:40.54 | MrHotsauce | hm i used an external touchpad and it seems to work with the tap to click function any idea why my netbook touchpad wont do the same? |
| 07:40.57 | toothpick | none: what does ifconfig report on guest? |
| 07:41.54 | toothpick | MrHotsauce: likely the touchpad driver are not staged. I'm not an expert in that area but a few others who are away know that stuff well |
| 07:42.00 | none | yes i'm in it toothpick |
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| 07:42.51 | none | some password headache |
| 07:44.59 | toothpick | :) |
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| 07:49.14 | none | I'll return in a few seconds with nick t4shi from the Vm's host for copy-paste |
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| 07:50.13 | t4shi | re |
| 07:50.18 | t4shi | Hi toothpick |
| 07:50.20 | t4shi | re |
| 07:52.38 | t4shi | toothpick http://pastebin.com/ySQ6di7t |
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| 07:54.26 | t4shi | I'll return in a few seconds I need to reset the ap configuration |
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| 07:54.44 | toothpick | t4shi: welcome back. |
| 07:55.03 | t4shi | well... |
| 07:55.14 | t4shi | maybe it's not necessary now |
| 07:55.30 | t4shi | Have I to reset the ap configuration toothpick ? |
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| 07:56.10 | t4shi | thank you for the welcome and all toothpick |
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| 07:56.16 | toothpick | a good idea and also refresh the guest ipaddress |
| 07:56.41 | t4shi | ok see u in a few seconds |
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| 07:57.49 | t4shi | re |
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| 07:59.25 | toothpick | how does the guest look now |
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| 08:00.20 | toothpick | also please report ifconfig of the host , do you have more than one network interface adapter on host? |
| 08:00.32 | toothpick | please ensure the active adapter is bridged to the guest |
| 08:01.04 | toothpick | for instance, eth0, eth1 etc. If eth1 is active on host, then eth1 should be bridged on guest |
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| 08:06.32 | toothpick | toothpick: must leave. goodnight all. t4shi see u again |
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| 08:06.55 | t4shi | excuse-me toothpick I'm configuring the ap |
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| 08:07.39 | t4shi | ok toothpick thankyou for all samely |
| 08:07.45 | t4shi | see u again |
| 08:08.00 | t4shi | here is the fresh morning |
| 08:08.03 | t4shi | :) |
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| 08:11.18 | lasers | toothpick: Goodnight. :) |
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| 08:37.54 | t4shi | is there anybody here? |
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| 08:38.00 | Wulf | no |
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| 08:39.03 | cast | i thought i was but then i turned out to be mistaken |
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| 08:40.13 | t4shi | i'll try to ask it to google |
| 08:40.19 | t4shi | ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 08:55.31 | t4shi | anyone could helpme? |
| 08:55.58 | t4shi | anyone could try to helpme? |
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| 08:56.44 | sharky | t4shi, normally you just ask your question and if someone is able to answer ti he/she will answer it |
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| 08:57.36 | sharky | t4shi, in other words no need to ask to ask |
| 08:57.36 | t4shi | I have a vm===host===AP===router===internet network topology |
| 08:58.38 | t4shi | there is connection between vm and host and from host to internet, but not from vm to internet(in virtualbox bridge mode) |
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| 08:59.15 | t4shi | there is no connection between vm and ap |
| 08:59.55 | t4shi | maybe something related with broadcasting or routing of any machine? |
| 09:00.30 | musca | use nat mode. |
| 09:00.33 | t4shi | no broadcasting properly and/or not routing/bridging properly* |
| 09:00.41 | sharky | t4shi, ok isn't your access point (ap) and router a one device? |
| 09:00.50 | t4shi | no sharky |
| 09:01.03 | t4shi | musca it isn't the solution |
| 09:01.28 | sharky | t4shi, so you have 2 routers, one wifi AP and then next one? |
| 09:01.31 | musca | you want to provide services to the internet? |
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| 09:01.57 | t4shi | there is an host===wifi ap in client mode===wifi router ===internet Sharker |
| 09:02.16 | t4shi | the ap is a dlink dwl2100ap |
| 09:02.59 | t4shi | musca yes with an own ip in the same range of the host |
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| 09:03.35 | t4shi | a router and an ap Sharky |
| 09:04.20 | sharky | t4shi, I am bit confused, normally the router has/is an AP, but never mind |
| 09:04.35 | t4shi | yes of course sharky |
| 09:04.48 | t4shi | my router is a router and ap |
| 09:04.56 | t4shi | but ther is another ap |
| 09:05.03 | t4shi | in the middle |
| 09:05.08 | sharky | t4shi, is your vm Debian? check your route # netstat -nr |
| 09:05.22 | t4shi | between the host and the router connected to internet |
| 09:05.30 | t4shi | yes it is sharky |
| 09:06.10 | sharky | t4shi, if you are bridged in the network of your host, and able to ping the host, yourself and loopback, then problem should be route |
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| 09:08.02 | sharky | t4shi, and is that AP in the middle also a router, or how is it configured? |
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| 09:09.19 | sharky | t4shi, but the main point should be, if you are able to connect form your host to internet then your network is OK, so problem is in either your VM configuration or in your guest |
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| 09:10.14 | t4shi | http://pastebin.com/yu5Vp51f |
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| 09:10.48 | t4shi | host===AP===router===internet is ok |
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| 09:13.10 | t4shi | I'm able to ping host===VM and VM===host. I'm able to ping between host and 8.8.8.8 and ap IP and, router ip but I'm not be able to ping between VM and any of the others except the host. Have I explained? |
| 09:13.21 | sharky | t4shi, maybe a resolve issue? do you ping 8.8.8.8 from your guest |
| 09:13.32 | t4shi | no |
| 09:13.46 | t4shi | have you seen the pastebin? |
| 09:14.10 | berarma | t4shi: do you use nat in the vm? |
| 09:14.28 | t4shi | route # netstat -nr |
| 09:14.39 | sharky | yes looks alright, your network is 192.168.1.0/24 and your router 192.168.1.1? |
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| 09:14.54 | t4shi | yes it is sharky |
| 09:16.05 | berarma | have set forwarding in your host? |
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| 09:17.08 | sharky | sounds bit weird, I would actually test the setup with cable, can you connect your host with cable to the router and test again ur vm guest connection |
| 09:17.18 | t4shi | I'm using bridge mode berarma |
| 09:17.48 | t4shi | It's a bit difficult |
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| 09:18.01 | t4shi | I don't have a so long cable |
| 09:18.14 | sharky | t4shi, what vm are you using? I am using VirtualBox and it works perfectly, but I have used that on VMWare player too |
| 09:18.20 | t4shi | but I've tried the same configuration in another system and runned it |
| 09:18.34 | t4shi | without ap |
| 09:19.03 | t4shi | without ap in the middle |
| 09:19.26 | t4shi | debian 7/debian7 virtual-box from apt-get install etc all the same |
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| 09:19.37 | t4shi | and all ok |
| 09:19.47 | t4shi | the problem is with the ap in the middle |
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| 09:20.07 | t4shi | I'm using virtualbox sharky |
| 09:20.18 | sharky | what I am thinking is some driver weirdness in wifi driver, because for bridged mode it creates virtual interface |
| 09:20.38 | t4shi | I've pasted the host route # netstat -nr |
| 09:21.00 | t4shi | there is any wifi driver |
| 09:21.09 | t4shi | I'm connecte by cable to the ap |
| 09:21.15 | t4shi | *connected* |
| 09:21.45 | t4shi | http://pastebin.com/Xux7AtjV |
| 09:22.02 | t4shi | I've pasted the host route # netstat -nr |
| 09:22.09 | sharky | t4shi, did you connect the host with cable to your router? |
| 09:22.24 | t4shi | I haven't so long cable |
| 09:22.30 | t4shi | to do it |
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| 09:23.00 | sharky | ahh so you connected it to that AP in the middle? |
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| 09:24.45 | t4shi | ye sharky |
| 09:24.49 | t4shi | yes* |
| 09:25.15 | t4shi | for the reason of the no so long cable disposing |
| 09:25.40 | sharky | t4shi, also another thing to try if you have another machine connect it to your AP and try pinging with it, because your host nad your bridged vm guest are essentially one interface so maybe not enough information there |
| 09:26.58 | t4shi | I have the host connected to the ap and the connection is ok |
| 09:27.37 | t4shi | I think there aren't essentially one interface |
| 09:27.52 | t4shi | because the host connects with the network and with the vm |
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| 09:28.17 | sharky | one physical interface |
| 09:28.22 | t4shi | ah ok |
| 09:28.38 | t4shi | but it runs like two interfaces |
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| 09:28.50 | sharky | can you pastebin #ifconfig -a of your host and guest? |
| 09:29.08 | sharky | t4shi, well yeah it creates virtual interface |
| 09:29.09 | t4shi | maybe the issue is in the host configuration where it's needed some extra configuration for the ap in the middle? |
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| 09:31.48 | t4shi | host ifconfig -a -> http://pastebin.com/8jPHgQUF |
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| 09:33.48 | t4shi | http://pastebin.com/6bMLAzVB <- guest machine |
| 09:33.52 | sharky | t4shi, so you have both host and guest debian 7? and you are using virtualbox? |
| 09:34.02 | t4shi | yes it is sharky |
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| 09:34.48 | sharky | hm, try on your host to down that vbox interface, like # ifconfig vboxnet0 down |
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| 09:34.59 | sharky | and try your vm guest connection |
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| 09:35.27 | sharky | t4shi, also check if is it really down with # ifconfig -a again |
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| 09:37.52 | t4shi | it resists |
| 09:38.30 | sharky | t4shi, what do you mean resists |
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| 09:39.06 | t4shi | oooooops |
| 09:39.13 | t4shi | by steps |
| 09:39.41 | nze` | hey, I want to give a user access to SOCKS tunneling (Â -DÂ ) but disable shell login. possible? how? |
| 09:39.42 | t4shi | th interface vboxnet0 resists to ifconfig vboxnet0 down |
| 09:40.14 | sharky | t4shi, are you trying to down it as root? |
| 09:40.35 | t4shi | yes i do |
| 09:40.38 | nze` | not sure this is a system or (open-) ssh question |
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| 09:41.53 | sharky | t4shi, just a sec I am starting one machine in bridged mode |
| 09:42.25 | t4shi | nice |
| 09:43.13 | sharky | t4shi, but I am cable connected to my router |
| 09:43.35 | t4shi | :( |
| 09:43.43 | t4shi | it's not the case |
| 09:43.50 | t4shi | I have no problem with it |
| 09:44.20 | t4shi | I have tried my case with another computer and ther was the same problem |
| 09:44.29 | t4shi | well |
| 09:44.36 | t4shi | sharky |
| 09:45.08 | t4shi | now i'll move the computer to the router room shuting down it ;) |
| 09:45.20 | t4shi | I'll still connected |
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| 09:46.05 | sharky | t4shi, the thing here works and actually I don't see this vboxnet0 interface |
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| 09:47.35 | t4shi | I think I've created in the past for try another configuration |
| 09:48.43 | sharky | t4shi, maybe try NAT just to see if your connection is OK with NAT, to narrow where the problem is |
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| 09:49.20 | sharky | t4shi, when your host connection is working ... you see what I mean? |
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| 09:53.26 | tuxIO | hi |
| 09:54.03 | musca | hi tuxIO |
| 09:54.05 | sharky | t4shi, you still here? |
| 09:54.13 | t4shi | sharky by nat it runs properly I was pasting the pastebins since anothe guest machine connected by nat |
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| 09:54.22 | t4shi | *another* |
| 09:54.25 | hellyeah | is there spesific repo for sublime in debian |
| 09:54.25 | sharky | t4shi, I think I found your problem man |
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| 09:55.24 | sharky | t4shi, I think you have messed it properly and made host-only networking somehow :D, read next excerp |
| 09:55.50 | ManateeLazyCat | > Hello, have anyone know a library get bash completions list with feed string? |
| 09:55.53 | sharky | Host-only networking is another networking mode that was added with version 2.2 of VirtualBox. It can be thought of as a hybrid between the bridged and internal networking modes: as with bridged networking, the virtual machines can talk to each other and the host as if they were connected through a physical ethernet switch. Similarly, as with internal networking however, a physical networking interface need not be present, and the virtual mach |
| 09:55.53 | sharky | ines cannot talk to the world outside the host since they are not connected to a physical networking interface. |
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| 09:56.18 | sharky | t4shi, read that http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#nichardware |
| 09:56.23 | ManateeLazyCat | I'm working on terminal that need know bash completions when user type some command. |
| 09:56.40 | sharky | t4shi, and make normal bridge and it will work like a charm man |
| 09:57.06 | ManateeLazyCat | So i wonder some *exist* library can return completions string when i feed some string. |
| 09:57.08 | musca | ManateeLazyCat: the user needs to source it |
| 09:57.21 | ManateeLazyCat | musca: I can't understand. |
| 09:57.30 | musca | me too :) |
| 09:57.47 | t4shi | I've readed it between a lot of pages |
| 09:57.58 | t4shi | I'm working in bridged mode sharky |
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| 09:58.11 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: Are you using bash? |
| 09:58.39 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Yes, i use bash and zsh. |
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| 09:58.59 | sharky | t4shi, I think you have some host-only mode, its all symptoms that you have |
| 09:59.08 | ManateeLazyCat | t4shi: I'm looking for some way to fetch bash completions list for GUI programming. |
| 09:59.26 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: Add something like https://paste.debian.net/33157/ to you ~/.bashrc to enable bash complete *if it is installed. You then have to install the bash-completion package to make it work. |
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| 10:00.51 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Infact, i'm looking way like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3520936/accesssing-bash-completions-for-specific-commands-programmatically |
| 10:01.10 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: But answer's bash script, i can't understand. |
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| 10:01.41 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: I'm looking for completions list solution for GUI use, and *not* trying to provide completion to bash. |
| 10:01.48 | sharky | t4shi, the link was confusing it is explained further down http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#network_hostonly |
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| 10:02.31 | t4shi | sharky I've connected the same configuration system in bridge mode the same guest machine and all the same that before By Cable and it ping 8.8.8.8 ok from the guest |
| 10:02.53 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: Well, you might want to ask this in #bash as this is really not a Debian issue. You need people who know about the implementation of that functionality to learn how to reimplement it in whatever tool you are writing. |
| 10:03.31 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Ok, thanks, i will ask this question in #bash, thanks! :) |
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| 10:03.53 | t4shi | now I try to disconnect the cable and to connect in the same room with the ap in the middle and then to disconnect the cable and return to connect directly to the router while ping 8.8.8.8 is running an see the running |
| 10:04.22 | sharky | t4shi, I see, now that is another thing, then it might be some weirdness of the wifi driver and virtual interfaces |
| 10:04.58 | sharky | t4shi, testing is the key :D |
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| 10:05.53 | t4shi | there isn't wifi driver sharky |
| 10:06.00 | t4shi | just cable sharky |
| 10:06.28 | t4shi | when I disconnect the cable from the router and connect the cable from the ap the ping stops |
| 10:06.35 | sharky | t4shi, but now you are switching to wifi, aren't you? |
| 10:06.52 | t4shi | no |
| 10:06.58 | t4shi | I haven't wifi in the host |
| 10:06.58 | sharky | ohh I see |
| 10:07.29 | sharky | t4shi, so now it is your ap the problem? |
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| 10:07.50 | t4shi | sharky when I connect another time the cable from the router directly ping restar to run oks |
| 10:08.34 | t4shi | maybe the ap or maybe the host configuration o the guest configuration running both trough the ap and bridged mode |
| 10:09.17 | sharky | t4shi, let me sum up |
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| 10:09.52 | sharky | t4shi, directly connected to router with cable both host and guest are ok |
| 10:10.12 | t4shi | yes it is sharky |
| 10:10.23 | t4shi | now it's the case |
| 10:10.27 | t4shi | pinging oks |
| 10:10.29 | sharky | t4shi, connected to ap again cable, host is ok, but guest is bad |
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| 10:10.40 | t4shi | yes it is sharky |
| 10:10.50 | sharky | hm |
| 10:11.14 | sharky | what is that ap |
| 10:11.26 | t4shi | dlink dwl-2100ap |
| 10:11.52 | t4shi | in ap client mode |
| 10:12.07 | t4shi | with static ip connected to the gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 10:12.28 | t4shi | it connects by wifi to the router sharky |
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| 10:14.21 | sharky | t4shi, i see |
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| 10:17.58 | sharky | t4shi, in you user manual there are some configurations about VLANs maybe take a look there |
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| 10:21.28 | t4shi | sharky I've taked a look there that's the reason because I've tried the host only and other configurations and for it to created the vboxnet0 virtual adapter |
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| 10:27.04 | t4shi | I'm frustrated for it during a lot of months :-( |
| 10:27.51 | sharky | t4shi, at least you know where the problem is, and it is not with debian (host or guest), it is that ap |
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| 10:28.41 | t4shi | thanks for trying to help to and solve it helping to test it samely |
| 10:29.17 | t4shi | sharky thank you for the patience |
| 10:29.20 | hanasaki | what will benchmark the cpu and disk and where are comparitive numbers available? |
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| 10:30.42 | sharky | t4shi, you are welcome man, if i were you i would dig with the configs of that ap, it say - If you want to configure the Guest and Internal networks on Virtual LAN (VLANs), the |
| 10:30.42 | sharky | switch and DHCP server you are using must suppport VLANs. As a prerequisite step, |
| 10:30.42 | sharky | configure a port on the switch for handling VLAN tagged packets as described in the |
| 10:30.42 | sharky | IEEE802.1Q standard. |
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| 10:36.58 | lpds | hi guys |
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| 10:45.08 | Xillie | Hello, is there any way for a noob to recompile a kernel with support for RIVAFB (I own a real riva 128) |
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| 10:46.16 | musca | Xillie: what'S your real matter? Why do you want this? |
| 10:46.24 | babilen | Xillie: See http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 10:46.31 | babilen | dpkg: rivafb |
| 10:46.32 | dpkg | The nvidiafb and rivafb framebuffer drivers were removed from Debian Linux kernel images at linux 3.2.20-1 (closes Debian bugs #383481, #609615). The <nouveau> driver supports all the same hardware, aside from the RIVA 128 (NV3). |
| 10:46.37 | Xillie | I want this pentium one running debian with framebuffer support |
| 10:46.56 | Xillie | so is there any way to get rid of nouveau and bring back rivafb? |
| 10:47.03 | babilen | musca: ^^^^ Xillie seems to be pursue a degree in computer archeology and wants to get a *really old* GPU running. |
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| 10:47.22 | Xillie | exactly as babilen says haha |
| 10:47.48 | Xillie | ffmpeg gives an illegal instruction on my 586 btw |
| 10:47.58 | sharky | hahah "computer archeology" nice |
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| 10:48.55 | Xillie | I had to cillit bang away corrosion on the pins of the memory chips before it worked |
| 10:49.43 | musca | so the wording perfectly fits here |
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| 10:50.48 | sharky | Xillie, compiling kernel is not hard as procedure, all in all several commands, like 6 or so :D |
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| 10:51.37 | sharky | Xillie, i can share my howto about compiling, but it has a tricky part |
| 10:51.42 | Xillie | sharky: so would I need to download kernel source? How do I find out on forehand that I will be able to get rid of nouveau and find a source for rivafb? |
| 10:52.02 | Xillie | I also need to compile for 586 |
| 10:52.05 | Xillie | or below |
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| 10:53.05 | sharky | Xillie, and that is you can use your old kernel config file, but in newer kernels you have new configuration options (that are not in your config) and you should know how to set them up |
| 10:53.18 | Xillie | cause: the rivafb doesnt even appear to exist as module anymore |
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| 10:53.56 | musca | Xillie: what about using squeeze? it has 2.6.32 kernel. |
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| 10:55.03 | Xillie | musca: hmmm Ill consider that |
| 10:55.58 | sharky | Xillie, for example I have compiled kernel many times and often I forget some sound module, or some USB ... |
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| 10:57.02 | musca | Xillie: how much RAM does that system have built into? |
| 10:57.19 | sharky | Xillie, what are you going to do with that pentium one with what ~400 MHz? |
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| 10:58.34 | Xillie | uhm play some mpeg1 on frambuffer VLC, listen to MP3, serve openttd dedicated.....lol |
| 10:58.46 | Xillie | play openttd on framebuffer |
| 10:59.05 | Xillie | living the pc life like its 1998 here!:) |
| 10:59.18 | Xillie | eduke32... |
| 10:59.27 | musca | well, why not. |
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| 11:02.51 | oo_miguel | Where does the kernel find information about my raid-layout on boot? |
| 11:03.07 | sharky | Xillie, its ok, just curious, although i think that one raspberry pi with rasbian may be faster and use less energy |
| 11:03.16 | oo_miguel | because I canged it, and the new array is not recognized on boot, which is fatal since this is where the root filesystem lies on ? |
| 11:03.34 | Xillie | definitely, but I dont find raspberries for free @ the trash:) |
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| 11:03.56 | sharky | Xillie, :D |
| 11:04.51 | valgrind | on wheezy, sometimes the mouse goes crazy... like the buttons stop responding at all... anyone had a similar prob? |
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| 11:05.46 | musca | valgrind: a wireless mouse on low battery? |
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| 11:06.23 | sharky | valgrind, I haven't got that, and if noone here had it, then maybe is your mouse |
| 11:06.27 | valgrind | wired mouse and AC :) |
| 11:06.54 | valgrind | ah yea maybe its the mouse itself, dunno... |
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| 11:07.19 | Xillie | anyone here knows if there exists any proprietary tablet that can be jailbroken for a debian install to something interesting?....like a good deal buckwise? |
| 11:07.22 | sharky | valgrind, you can test with other mouse |
| 11:08.28 | valgrind | ye i certainly will, now the strange thing is that when that happens both the mouse and the touchpad buttons go crazy |
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| 11:09.31 | sharky | valgrind, it can be also software, but i haven't got that |
| 11:09.35 | Xillie | So Im looking for a closed tablet or smartphone in a cheap bundle account, then throw away the bundle, jailbreak the machine and have cheap debian on a handheld hehe |
| 11:10.37 | sharky | Xillie, you mean *great* Debian on a handheld, I want that too :D |
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| 11:10.53 | Xillie | haha yea exactly....and I guess we all want it |
| 11:11.14 | jordilopezamat | yep Debian on a handheld... ?! please tell us ... |
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| 11:12.13 | Xillie | Ill use some google but I figured perhaps with more generic google OS whats it called handhelds would be more jailbroken by now but I dont see hordes of people offering me assistance in how to do it hehe |
| 11:13.02 | Xillie | As a noob I figured, with linux for ARM, you know..... |
| 11:13.08 | jordilopezamat | ha,ha... |
| 11:13.16 | jordilopezamat | yep :-) |
| 11:14.02 | Xillie | there gotta be walking around millions of techies with jailbroken full HD playing, fully controllable handhelds for bundle offers of like 25 dollars:)...thats what I had been figuring |
| 11:14.23 | jordilopezamat | BTW ... any notPRISMed "Dropbox" app like for Debian 7 suggested ? |
| 11:14.32 | Xillie | Guess Ill have to try in another few years |
| 11:15.37 | Xillie | jordilopezamat (sounds like a tranquilizer pill), doesnt PRISM capture all opical data? |
| 11:16.14 | jordilopezamat | i need the pill, yes :-P But, mmh... Xillie , it's not all black or white |
| 11:16.30 | jordilopezamat | according to https://prism-break.org/ ... at least |
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| 11:16.41 | t4shi | sharky are you here? |
| 11:16.41 | Xillie | Im still not sure whether PRISM is an acronym or whether it refers to the practice of using prisms to clone lightbundle into a weak copy that can be sniffed |
| 11:17.02 | sharky | t4shi, yes |
| 11:17.08 | Rydekull | http://getprsm.com |
| 11:17.20 | t4shi | sharky what did you mean with the vlan packets exactly? |
| 11:17.27 | Xillie | oh THAT prism |
| 11:17.37 | Xillie | lol |
| 11:17.38 | jordilopezamat | wow thanks Rydekull ... |
| 11:18.04 | jordilopezamat | according to https://prism-break.org/ ... you might have several alternatives to Dropbox... |
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| 11:18.06 | Rydekull | jordilopezamat: Most welcome! I hope you've remembered to sign up |
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| 11:18.32 | jordilopezamat | OwnCloud, Seafile ... |
| 11:19.04 | jordilopezamat | Sparkeshare, git-annex assitant... as referred, |
| 11:19.18 | jordilopezamat | just wondering if anyone here had some comments on those |
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| 11:20.13 | jordilopezamat | Rydekull ... what is this http://getprsm.com/ about ? |
| 11:20.19 | jordilopezamat | have you used it ? |
| 11:20.30 | jordilopezamat | or are you kidding me ... :-P |
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| 11:21.23 | jordilopezamat | i think it's mostly the latter ! haHa |
| 11:21.59 | Rydekull | jordilopezamat: just look at the page, and dont forget the sign up button at the bottom of the page :-) |
| 11:22.02 | Rydekull | hehe |
| 11:22.08 | sharky | t4shi, to know more I would read http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#network_bridged and about VLANs |
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| 11:28.10 | t4shi | ok thank you sharky, I'm tired now going to sleep some while |
| 11:28.25 | sharky | t4shi, ok have a good rest |
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| 11:29.51 | sharky | hm in http://getprsm.com/ they forgot to mention google glass :P |
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| 11:33.53 | valgrind | Uhm with my wife's mouse it seems to work fine... i think she needs to buy a new one ^^ |
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| 11:34.06 | Rydekull | sharky: its a very inspiring site atleast |
| 11:35.30 | sharky | valgrind, alright problem solved :D |
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| 11:36.09 | sharky | Rydekull, its scary, just looking at https://prism-break.org/ its very nice |
| 11:38.19 | Xillie | I love how SDL games play on framebuffer, anyone knows a few good ones besides scummvm and openttd? |
| 11:38.38 | Xillie | I mean on console |
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| 11:48.36 | tele | Hi! |
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| 11:49.42 | tele | debian-7.1.0-i386- have 3 DVD how this work? How install like KDE or xfce ? |
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| 11:51.25 | abrotman | tele: just get the first DVD, install the rest from http sources |
| 11:51.51 | tele | 2 and 3 DVD is for ? |
| 11:52.01 | tele | have only some package? |
| 11:52.25 | abrotman | they have many other packages, but not likely packages you'll use |
| 11:52.46 | tele | ok, thanks :) |
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| 12:16.57 | robin_debspace | Hello everyone! Just got a HP ProLiant Micro Server for my home network, put in 4 3TB HDs and tried to install Debian… HP sais the box can boot from 3TB HDs but turns out no UEFI is supported and thus booting from a GPT partition table isn't possible… Could someone here possibly tell me where I'm going wrong? |
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| 12:18.48 | n3rV3 | robin_debspace: if you have UEFI enabled in bios, best turn it off. its too much of a headache imo. |
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| 12:19.21 | sharky | n3rV3, +1 |
| 12:19.27 | n3rV3 | :) |
| 12:19.52 | musca | you don't need uefi for gpt |
| 12:20.06 | n3rV3 | right musca, entirely different things |
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| 12:20.27 | n3rV3 | thats(gpt) for supporting a 3tb hdd |
| 12:20.42 | robin_debspace | n3rV3: No, that seems to be the problem… The machine actually does not support UEFI, but HP says booting from 3TB drives is still possible. But how could that work? After all you have to use a GPT partitioning table for drives > 2TB, and thus there's no support for MBR... |
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| 12:21.47 | n3rV3 | aah, robin_debspace when partitioning it with gpt, you have to reserve 1 mb space for a bios partition |
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| 12:22.27 | n3rV3 | that comes first, then create the others as per you preference, and it should work |
| 12:23.32 | robin_debspace | n3rV3: Ah! Does this really work? Can I create 1MB BIOS partitions on all disks, then create the remaining ones and then combine those partitions in software RAIDS? |
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| 12:40.56 | Endafy | wow so far the best distribution I have ever used |
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| 12:41.09 | Endafy | if ida known I would have switched way sooner |
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| 12:42.47 | Endafy | everything I cant stand about every other distro on earth just gone |
| 12:42.55 | Endafy | its such a wonderful experience |
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| 12:43.14 | abrotman | is 99% certain Endafy is talking about wheezy ... |
| 12:43.49 | Endafy | 7.1 whatever that is |
| 12:43.49 | DasEi1 | robin_debspace: UEFI or not is motherbaord-wise. If an MBR-type board supports certain drive-sizes depends on controller (and recent bios oc) . debian supports UEFI /w or without raid very well |
| 12:43.50 | mallxs | trying a new install, system take ip from dhcp, but it can't contact the archive mirror, so i try to check the ifconfig in a other tab, with /bin/bussybox ifconfig; but that doesnt work .. any tips ? |
| 12:44.22 | Endafy | like the installer respects disk labels |
| 12:44.28 | Endafy | thats so important |
| 12:44.46 | Endafy | people dont understand raids with like 50 disk drives |
| 12:45.50 | abrotman | swraid you mean? |
| 12:45.56 | Endafy | I always get the response "hurr durr pull them and see which one is the os drive" which is just not feasable to ask |
| 12:46.08 | Endafy | no hardware raid |
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| 12:46.56 | Endafy | since Debian does it and Fedora does it why cant other distros configure the installer to read and show drive labels |
| 12:47.08 | DasEi1 | mallxs: are you in the preboot-busybox or in a tty (dash/bash, terminal) ? |
| 12:47.19 | Endafy | thats like one of the most important things to leave out |
| 12:47.56 | DasEi1 | mallxs: what does ifconfig repeat ? |
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| 12:48.15 | abrotman | Endafy: my hardware raid is presented to the OS as a single drive (per volume configured in the manager) |
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| 12:48.32 | Endafy | abrotman: not on a rack mount server |
| 12:48.38 | abrotman | yes, rackmount |
| 12:48.41 | Endafy | you have 2 stripes for the OS |
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| 12:48.47 | Endafy | then other stripes for other things |
| 12:48.54 | abrotman | Endafy: I think we're talking about completely different things |
| 12:49.09 | Endafy | I am talking about raid arrays idk what you are thinking |
| 12:49.15 | Endafy | and I use disk labels |
| 12:49.33 | abrotman | I'm talking about volumes configured in the BIOS that are presented to the OS as a single drive, hardware raid |
| 12:49.36 | Endafy | ya know basic IT organization |
| 12:49.44 | Endafy | right |
| 12:49.56 | Endafy | you can have more than 1 stripe present |
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| 12:50.05 | Endafy | especially with 50+ hard drives |
| 12:50.15 | mallxs | DasEi1: I was trying the grapical interface, after a error on finding archive i did alt-F2, "/bin/busybox ifconfig" says: ifconfig: applet not found |
| 12:50.49 | Endafy | you seriously cant tell me that you put more than 2-3 drives on a stripe? |
| 12:51.00 | Endafy | that would be an insane waste of space |
| 12:51.01 | DasEi1 | mallxs: so I assume you are on another tty then, ran ifconfig as root ? |
| 12:51.01 | mallxs | DasEi1: so i think thats the preboot ... correct ? |
| 12:51.42 | abrotman | Endafy: your usage patterns and mine are surely different? |
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| 12:51.51 | Endafy | server |
| 12:51.56 | DasEi1 | mallxs: no, y there is a busybox shell round a failed init, but then you want even come to gui/desktop |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | server is vague |
| 12:52.08 | DasEi1 | won't* |
| 12:52.25 | Endafy | k |
| 12:52.28 | Endafy | lol |
| 12:52.30 | DasEi1 | mallxs: ran ifconfig as root ? |
| 12:52.30 | abrotman | Endafy: FWIW, the systems I maintain have internal RAID, and then address a SAN over FC |
| 12:52.41 | Endafy | if you cant figure out raid hardware racks then I cant explain it |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | then you don't understand it perhaps |
| 12:52.58 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 12:53.10 | Endafy | I only maintain them but thats ok |
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| 12:54.44 | DasEi1 | mallxs: either your connection has a failure, next I'd look for correct sources list (ping google working ? ) |
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| 13:00.29 | DasEi1 | mallxs: ? |
| 13:00.30 | mallxs | DasEi1: sorry my dumm but i'm in the setup of the install so i just get a busybox shell .. the ping to my local router works correct, so i think it does not got it's default route .. can i somewhere in the setup force a manual network setup ? seems the new setup is skipping that option ? |
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| 13:02.31 | DasEi1 | mallxs: ah, my bad , you're in the installer, ; yes, you can manually configure your network, but for usual if the installer tells dhcp succesfull, my next guess would be bad media, anyway, re-try from start, and when it comes to network you can also manually set it up |
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| 13:06.01 | Xillie | shoots, I have asfxload report 512kb short of memory on my soundblaster awe64 gold.....google suggests its a bug in snd_emu8000.....could someone help me with this? |
| 13:06.03 | DasEi1 | mallxs: from the box you are talking from right now, maybe consider a checking (md5 > iso > disk or stick) |
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| 13:08.17 | mallxs | DasEi1: btw ... the ip commands do work .. ip address shows me a correct eth with ip address and ip route shows me a correct default route, so i'm still puzzled why it can't find the router .. will do the md5 check |
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| 13:10.25 | tuxIO | so FAI (fully automated install) is some scripting for starting up a pxe server and netboot the normal debian installer? or is it a completely different debian installer? |
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| 13:13.19 | mamtina | hello! |
| 13:13.19 | mamtina | how to delete the lines on the history which contains the word 'mplayer' |
| 13:13.20 | mamtina | ? |
| 13:14.12 | DasEi1 | tuxIO: FAI I'm overasked, PXE there you just got a startupmedium, and this you got to tell where to look for the actual installer files, I >GUESS< FAI is a way to just unattended install via cd/usb, but don't take that for sure |
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| 13:14.22 | abrotman | mamtina: open the file and delete them |
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| 13:14.45 | mamtina | abrotman, which file? |
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| 13:15.36 | abrotman | $HOME/.bash_history |
| 13:15.44 | abrotman | assuming you use bash as your shell |
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| 13:16.36 | mamtina | abrotman, :) |
| 13:16.39 | mamtina | thanks |
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| 13:18.05 | dns42_ | hey folks |
| 13:19.01 | dns42_ | if i want to setup an apt repository containing packages in different versions, which tool should i u se to set it up and manage it? (not reprepro due to its lack of handling multiple package versions) |
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| 13:20.48 | DasEi1 | tuxIO: netinstaller simply uses inet-repos for installation, whilst dvd/cd brings most packages, PXE there you need an own server for (mostly internal network) |
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| 13:24.54 | DasEi1 | dns42_: sounds scary to me, why not just locally store certain packages and if absolutly needed force dpkg/apt to use them (you can also mark them for preventing updates).. scary to me, as dependencies can break then (try in a VM?!) |
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| 13:27.23 | dns42_ | DasEi1: sorry, but i do not get what you are implying? |
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| 13:30.29 | DasEi1 | dns42_: maybe I don't you right; if you just put different versions in, apt or whatever used will always pull the corresponding one, leaving the other alone, maybe re-phrase.. ? |
| 13:30.49 | DasEi1 | get* |
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| 13:32.54 | tuxIO | DasEil: so FAI does load the needed packages from a cdrom? |
| 13:34.23 | DasEi1 | tuxIO: http://fai-project.org/ |
| 13:34.54 | tuxIO | DasEi1: yes, but what exactly is it now? A different installer than the normal debian installer? or a script collection? |
| 13:35.10 | DasEi1 | tuxIO: but as said, I've done PXE and lots of different installs, can't really tel much about FAI as I never used it |
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| 13:46.53 | mallxs | DasEi1: my dhcpd was not configured to for giving back the correct domain-name-server ... ( i remembered i switched back to isc-dhcp-server on my router) thx for helping me out |
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| 13:48.33 | mallxs | DasEi1: your "ping google.com" comment helped me lol |
| 13:50.19 | DasEi1 | mallxs: ask, if further questions :) |
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| 13:53.53 | DasEi1 | fqdn solved; mallxs sometimes media is bad or one has chosen extra repos in the install-process > same behaviour first hand, just ping me, if needed, I'm chilling right now |
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| 13:56.38 | dns42_ | DasEi1: that's true, if you do not specify the package version explicitly. and this is what i want to support |
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| 14:00.38 | DasEi1 | dns42_: so I still don't want to break your apt, but sure you can force apt to use a certain package, though I'd never do it on a productional box, nor in a (local) repo, I'd just have it local on that box (VM...)and then do it there |
| 14:01.03 | dns42_ | DasEi1: have what local? the package? |
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| 14:02.00 | DasEi1 | dns42_: you first wanted to set up a repo (rerepo..) for that, nor ? simply put it on the hd of the concerning machine, my suggestion |
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| 14:02.27 | dns42_ | DasEi1: but why not put it in a repository? |
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| 14:03.24 | DasEi1 | dns42_: which isn't mirrored, but just local ? other updates then ? |
| 14:03.47 | dns42_ | DasEi1: it contains packages of locally developed software |
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| 14:04.23 | themill | dns42_: the normal approach for this sort of situation is to have different repositories for the different versions of the package with suitable release names that indicate how they are distinguished (e.g. development, stable, legacy etc). |
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| 14:04.45 | themill | that way you also make sure the dependencies don't get screwed up |
| 14:05.47 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:06.11 | ompaul | dns42_: that makes an assumption you build the package according to debian guidelines |
| 14:07.20 | ompaul | dns42_: or note what themill said |
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| 14:19.06 | DasEi1 | ..or set an apt-lock it, so you can keep a certain packetversion while rest of system is still patchable (mind dependencies, though, mind VM), dns42_ |
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| 14:38.34 | OldParr | wich is the name of the java plugin for the browser in http://oss.oracle.com/debian unstable main non-free |
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| 14:41.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell OldParr -about install java |
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| 14:41.49 | babilen | OldParr: You should install and use OpenJDK with the icedtea-plugin (it is the reference implementation for Java 7+) - Feel free to contact Oracle for help with their software. |
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| 14:50.28 | Roland- | hello guys. I need somehow to load a custom kernel but using kexec because of this digitalocean vds policy... |
| 14:51.51 | Roland- | what is the main script that starts the system ? |
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| 14:51.57 | Roland- | is it /sbin/init ? |
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| 14:52.56 | OldParr | babilen: there are a lot of app that begins with "OpenJdk" wich one is ? |
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| 14:53.57 | RILA | wops |
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| 14:59.12 | abrotman | Roland-: VPS policy? |
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| 15:00.18 | OldParr | there are a lot of app that begins with "OpenJdk" wich one is the browser plugin? |
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| 15:01.04 | abrotman | icedtea-7-plugin |
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| 15:24.42 | OldParr | thanks |
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| 15:31.08 | jenia_ | hello |
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| 15:31.13 | jenia_ | i have a problem: |
| 15:31.14 | jenia_ | ftp3.nrc.ca |
| 15:31.19 | jenia_ | i dont responding |
| 15:31.29 | jenia_ | i need it to install somepackage |
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| 15:31.47 | jenia_ | is this permanent or am i in bad luck for just a little while? |
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| 15:34.37 | OldParr | jenia_: https://filezilla-project.org/ |
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| 15:35.24 | jenia_ | but if the server is down, how can i get the package with filezilla? |
| 15:35.52 | woshty | jenia_: There server is not down. It just does not seem to hold any files. |
| 15:36.01 | babilen_ | OldParr: Read the message our bot (dpkg) sent you in private |
| 15:36.04 | babilen_ | dpkg: install java |
| 15:36.04 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package (install icedtea6-plugin for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"). For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 15:36.07 | babilen_ | OldParr: ^^^^ |
| 15:36.20 | jenia_ | ahh okay thanks |
| 15:36.26 | woshty | jenia_: why are you using that server instead of ftp.ca.debian.org? |
| 15:36.35 | babilen_ | OldParr: And you are looking for openjdk-7-{jre,jdk} and the corresponding icedtea plugin. |
| 15:36.49 | jenia_ | i dont know. its set up that way by default i guess |
| 15:36.53 | jenia_ | ill change it now |
| 15:36.53 | jenia_ | thanks |
| 15:36.55 | OldParr | babilen_: thanks i solved with iced tea |
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| 15:48.22 | Roland- | love debian |
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| 15:48.38 | jenia_ | hello everyone |
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| 15:49.05 | jenia_ | i have a probkem |
| 15:49.23 | jenia_ | i cant install the package libjpeg-dev |
| 15:49.35 | jenia_ | when i try to install it the package maanager tells me: |
| 15:49.57 | jenia_ | Cannot initiate the connection to ftp3.nrc.ca:80 (2604:8400:0:2::5). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2604:8400:0:2::5 80] |
| 15:49.57 | jenia_ | Failed to fetch http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/pool/main/libj/libjpeg8/libjpeg8-dev_8 |
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| 15:50.06 | jenia_ | what should i do? |
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| 15:50.40 | abrotman | jenia_: pick another mirror |
| 15:51.06 | jenia_ | and i add it to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 15:51.24 | abrotman | not add, chnage |
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| 15:51.42 | jenia_ | remove that one and add the new one? |
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| 15:51.54 | jater | hi |
| 15:52.18 | jater | I was going to write a hosting system in PHP, is there a way to limit disk space in a directory? |
| 15:52.31 | jater | e.g. limit /var/www/site1 to 1GB disc space at max? |
| 15:53.27 | sharky | jater, i think that depends if the file system supports that as an option |
| 15:54.18 | jater | sharky: ext2? |
| 15:54.29 | jater | How do web hosts do it? |
| 15:54.30 | abrotman | jater: why not just use the bits in linux that already do that? |
| 15:54.42 | jater | abrotman: How? |
| 15:55.02 | abrotman | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
| 15:55.13 | abrotman | that's woefully out of date, but should get you started |
| 15:55.41 | jater | abrotman: ah, thanks, that was my question and what I was looking for :) |
| 15:56.04 | abrotman | or use one the few dozen hosting panels that already exist and still suck |
| 15:56.45 | jater | abrotman: as you said, they all suck |
| 15:56.55 | jater | that is why I am going to write my own |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | they suck inherently, not by design |
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| 15:57.11 | jater | yep |
| 15:57.25 | abrotman | thinks jater missed the point |
| 15:57.43 | jater | How? |
| 15:57.50 | sharky | jater, that is what I was thinking about quota too and xfs http://www.eisscholle.net/spickzettel/linux/directory_quota |
| 15:58.36 | eb0t | how can i tell if i am running wheezy or squeeze |
| 15:58.51 | jater | Do you think it is possible to limit bandwidth? |
| 15:59.10 | eb0t | i did a $ cat /etc/debian_verison .....and im running 7.1 |
| 15:59.14 | jater | not even server providers appear to cap it, as they charge for overuse and overuse is possible |
| 16:00.54 | jenia_ | how do i add this archive to the repo list: |
| 16:00.55 | jenia_ | ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 16:01.02 | jenia_ | what should i write there? |
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| 16:03.07 | jenia_ | someone please help me!!! |
| 16:03.15 | woshty | jenia_: Make a backup copy sources.list, replace ftp3.rc.ca in every line with ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 16:03.22 | jenia_ | ahhh okay |
| 16:03.28 | jenia_ | thanks very much |
| 16:03.34 | woshty | jenia_: then run apt-get update |
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| 16:03.43 | jenia_ | thanks very very very much!!!!! |
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| 16:05.02 | abrotman | jenia_: you probably wan tot use http:// not ftp:// |
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| 16:19.36 | jenia_ | how to find out all the package y1 y1 that refer to a package x |
| 16:19.36 | jenia_ | ? |
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| 16:21.18 | jenia_ | woshty, i did what you suggested and now i get this: |
| 16:21.18 | jenia_ | Package libjpeg-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:21.18 | jenia_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:21.19 | jenia_ | is only available from another source |
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| 16:21.41 | semko | hi there, apt-get tells me that there are 3 not upgraded packages |
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| 16:21.46 | semko | how can i see them? |
| 16:21.51 | semko | wonders |
| 16:22.41 | dns42 | t/j #vagrant |
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| 16:23.36 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I am trying to learn how to configure debian on a home mini-ITX server. I have got samba working and configured it using swat web interface. Im wondering when you add a user and password with swat, where do they get stored on the drive? |
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| 16:24.06 | sharky | semko, # apt-get --just-print upgrade |
| 16:24.30 | semko | sharky, thank you |
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| 16:25.08 | jenia_ | hi everyone again |
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| 16:25.26 | jenia_ | i'm having terrible problems accomplishing something that should be exceedingly simple |
| 16:25.38 | jenia_ | i want to download the package libjpeg-dev |
| 16:25.42 | jenia_ | and i cant do it |
| 16:25.59 | jenia_ | Reading state information... Done |
| 16:25.59 | jenia_ | Package libjpeg-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:26.00 | jenia_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:26.00 | jenia_ | is only available from another source |
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| 16:26.35 | jenia_ | okay im back |
| 16:26.37 | abrotman | jenia_: pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:26.40 | jenia_ | okay |
| 16:26.43 | abrotman | paste.debian.et |
| 16:26.49 | abrotman | judd: versions libjpeg-dev |
| 16:26.51 | judd | No package named 'libjpeg-dev' was found in i386. |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | well, that would explain that |
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| 16:27.25 | jenia_ | http://pastebin.com/1dG101y2 |
| 16:27.38 | jenia_ | there it is |
| 16:27.41 | woshty | It should autoselect libjpeg8-dev |
| 16:28.02 | sharky | jenia_, is it maybe called libjpeg8-dev |
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| 16:28.20 | jenia_ | nope E: Unable to locate package libjpeg8-dev |
| 16:28.20 | abrotman | woshty: it won't, there's no metapackge |
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| 16:28.51 | woshty | abrotman: Note, selecting 'libjpeg8-dev' instead of 'libjpeg-dev' it says here |
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| 16:29.14 | abrotman | jenia_: did you 'aptitude update' after changing your sources? |
| 16:29.20 | sharky | jenia_, try # apt-cache search libjpeg |
| 16:29.24 | jenia_ | yes let me do it again |
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| 16:30.39 | jenia_ | thanks man!! i did upgrade not update!!!!! |
| 16:30.41 | jenia_ | wow |
| 16:30.42 | jenia_ | thanks so much |
| 16:30.43 | jenia_ | !! |
| 16:30.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:30.54 | C00re | :D |
| 16:31.20 | LinuxGuy2020 | Where does samba store user passwords on the filesystem? |
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| 16:33.20 | woshty | LinuxGuy2020: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/passdb.html#id2592519 |
| 16:33.24 | C00re | try /etc/samba/private/smbpasswd |
| 16:33.31 | sharky | woshty, /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb |
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| 16:41.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | sharky: thank you |
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| 16:43.29 | sharky | : ) |
| 16:43.47 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Is there a way to set the configuration priority level when using apt-get? |
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| 16:44.21 | abrotman | MouseTheLuckyDog: dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf |
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| 16:47.54 | MouseTheLuckyDog | abrotman: I could do that to reset for all apt-gets. I could then reset it when done. But is there a way just to tell apt-get "just this one time"? |
| 16:48.44 | abrotman | MouseTheLuckyDog: dpkg-reconfigure -plow packagename |
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| 16:49.24 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ok another question about my first debian server attempt. Is it common to install any window managers or desktop environments, along side use with a VNC server, or is it more common to just run command line only? Or is that all subjective and dependant on the server use situation? |
| 16:49.49 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: in general, you sohuldn't have Xorg running .. I tried to tell you this the other day before you stormed off in a huff |
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| 16:50.11 | LinuxGuy2020 | abrotman: I dont need your help. |
| 16:50.30 | abrotman | realizes that LinuxGuy2020 doesn't need help, has it all figured out, such a smart guy |
| 16:50.38 | movl | lol |
| 16:51.05 | LinuxGuy2020 | No I just recognize an asshole when I see one. |
| 16:51.11 | abrotman | was going to write a nice explanation of why not, but figures that LinuxGuy2020 knows everything |
| 16:51.12 | mtn | wonders why LinuxGuy2020 is here then |
| 16:51.26 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: please take care not to call people names, thank you |
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| 16:52.07 | movl | especially since abrotman is a well established member |
| 16:52.24 | abrotman | irregardless |
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| 16:55.50 | sharky | LinuxGuy2020, you made false assumption about abrotman, for real |
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| 17:05.22 | LinuxGuy2020 | The only other major functionality of my old mybooklive was the drive inactivity sleep timer. How can I achieve that with a server thats only running a base install and samba and minidlna? I read that samba may prevent the drives from spinning down but I have no idea for sure. |
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| 17:13.16 | enkidu | hello. after recent updates my lighttpd doesnt want to process php content anymore |
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| 17:15.29 | exaem | how do i stop debian from pulling in gtk deps on selinux? |
| 17:15.43 | exaem | for selinux even |
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| 17:17.08 | sharky | LinuxGuy2020, seems hdparm may help you - http://askubuntu.com/questions/39760/how-can-i-control-hdd-spin-down-time |
| 17:18.43 | sharky | LinuxGuy2020, or sdparm - http://arrfab.net/blog/?p=107 |
| 17:18.47 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:20.30 | abrotman | exaem: possibly install without recommends |
| 17:20.38 | abrotman | eb0t: generally, use aptitude |
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| 17:21.08 | exaem | abrotman: it was setools pulling in the gtk dependencies, simply done setools- in the apt-get install part |
| 17:21.10 | eb0t | so its a better alternative ..thanks |
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| 17:21.27 | exaem | abrotman: thanks anyway |
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| 17:21.29 | abrotman | eb0t: the major difference is problem resolution |
| 17:22.00 | KNUBBIG | Hi, I'm trying to use SSH without password for authentication. But even though I have it working for local user named A with remote user named A I can't get it to work for local user A with remote user named B. Any ideas? |
| 17:22.04 | KNUBBIG | (THanks) |
| 17:22.34 | eb0t | oh i see.. i havent had a problem yet...ill take your advice |
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| 17:23.38 | sharky | KNUBBIG, are you using keys without password for ssh authentication? |
| 17:23.46 | KNUBBIG | sharky: yes |
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| 17:24.25 | somiaj | KNUBBIG: check the permissions of $HOME/.ssh and $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys, they have to be 700 and 600 respectivally |
| 17:24.37 | KNUBBIG | somiaj: I did, they're right |
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| 17:25.08 | somiaj | KNUBBIG: you can type 'ssh -vvv user@host' and get some verbose output and try to see what is misconfigured |
| 17:25.20 | somiaj | KNUBBIG: do that as the user who is having trouble authenticating |
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| 17:26.03 | g0d | I want to create a virtual webcam, like /dev/video1 and stream /home/lol.gif on it. How can I do it? (not via webcamstudio) |
| 17:27.07 | KNUBBIG | somiaj: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 17:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | to ask the obvious... are you logging in with the correct user, i.e. ssh user@host? |
| 17:28.09 | KNUBBIG | CutMeOwnThroat: yea |
| 17:28.25 | KNUBBIG | no such identity |
| 17:28.31 | KNUBBIG | that's the error |
| 17:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | which one |
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| 17:29.00 | KNUBBIG | hum? |
| 17:29.52 | bazzer | anyone have an idea why gvfs-gdu-volume-montior would peg my cpu at 100% because a large number of iso images were loopback mounted?? |
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| 17:30.05 | sharky | KNUBBIG, when you created your keys they were created by user A, you cannot log in with name B |
| 17:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe pastebin output of your ssh -vvv user@host so there's something to work with |
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| 17:30.46 | KNUBBIG | sharky: that's correct, what do I have to do to be able to do that? |
| 17:31.22 | sharky | KNUBBIG, add another local user B, create new keys and upload them to your remote ssh server |
| 17:32.00 | KNUBBIG | sharky: oh okay if it does have to be the same user I see the problem. Thank you |
| 17:32.35 | sharky | KNUBBIG, and I think it will work if you copy the B secret key to A so that you can log with A as B on remote |
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| 17:34.13 | sharky | KNUBBIG, but I am not 100% sure if you can use secret key of B as user A |
| 17:34.33 | KNUBBIG | sharky: thanks, I'll try |
| 17:35.00 | sharky | KNUBBIG, would be nice if you share your results :), I am curious |
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| 17:36.34 | KNUBBIG | sharky: will take a minute :) |
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| 17:37.41 | sharky | hangs around |
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| 17:39.34 | musca | bazzer: Are you actually doing anything with the mounts? |
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| 17:41.51 | KNUBBIG | sharky: nope, doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 17:42.43 | zeev234 | Hi, how can I mount an ext2/3/4 filesystem with umask=value fmask=value dmask=value ? Is there something like those masks for ext? Or can I use it also for ext not only for vfat? |
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| 17:43.11 | bazzer | musca: aside from mounting them? no. the moment they get mounted all hades breaks loose...i'm in the process of setting up a pxe server |
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| 17:44.30 | somiaj | zeev234: why would you want to do that? You can just change the permissions. There are default mask you can set for newly created files, but you probably shoulndt overwride the file permisions on that file system |
| 17:44.42 | sharky | KNUBBIG, hm : ( |
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| 17:45.20 | musca | bazzer: how do you mount? what's the command? |
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| 17:45.58 | zeev234 | somiaj: I want this to happen automatically on each mount. I want to make those files unreadable. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 17:46.21 | bazzer | musca: put the entries into fstab so if the system was rebooted they'd be mounted again...typical mount entry /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount iso9660 defaults,loop 0 0 |
| 17:46.31 | lulzfish4 | I had a LUKS volume mounted from a file on an SSHFS mount, and then I lost network. Now I can't close the LUKS volume, it's giving errors like "transport endpoint disconnected" and "device or resource busy". I tried deleting the device mapper file but that didn't help anything. Will I have to restart? |
| 17:46.42 | somiaj | zeev234: why not just change the permisions on the ext file system to be unreadable? |
| 17:48.20 | D-Boy | https://wiki.debian.org/ <== shows forbidden, is it normal ? |
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| 17:48.29 | zeev234 | somiaj: with vfat everything is done by udisks on automount - very easy. How should I change the permissions on mount? using udev rules and a script? |
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| 17:49.37 | zeev234 | somiaj: I want users not be able to read external files |
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| 17:50.33 | sharky | KNUBBIG, it seems you can do that for example http://serverfault.com/questions/114388/how-do-i-ssh-into-a-box-as-another-user-given-that-host-user-has-no-ssh-key-on-t |
| 17:51.07 | KNUBBIG | sharky: thanks ! |
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| 17:51.12 | KNUBBIG | http://serverfault.com/questions/114388/how-do-i-ssh-into-a-box-as-another-user-given-that-host-user-has-no-ssh-key-on-t |
| 17:51.16 | KNUBBIG | damn that copying |
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| 17:51.27 | musca | bazzer: perhaps it hwould help to mount the images in readonly mode? |
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| 17:52.31 | bazzer | musca: they default to that anyway, besides already though of adding a ,ro to the entries and have the same issue |
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| 17:53.55 | musca | nice |
| 17:53.57 | bazzer | musca: i have determined that by mounting each image one by one that the process shows up for a second or two and disappears until I mount the 10th image, at which point it takes up ~80% of my cpu...further mounts worsen the problem, dropping down to 9 removes the problem |
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| 17:54.31 | somiaj | zeev234: do you have lots of random ext3 file systems being mounted, again you should control the permisions of the file system |
| 17:55.15 | somiaj | zeev234: you could also make the automount directory not readable/accessable by the user, then they won't be able to see any of the files |
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| 17:58.55 | sharky | bazzer, so you have changed your max_loop count, to be able to mount more loop devices? |
| 17:59.34 | bazzer | sharky: aye, i booted with max_loop=64 appended |
| 17:59.57 | sharky | bazzer, ok cool |
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| 18:00.29 | bazzer | sharky: one of the first things i did :) |
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| 18:01.44 | musca | bazzer: defaults = Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. |
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| 18:02.11 | musca | so you mount rw,ro ? |
| 18:02.19 | bazzer | musca: i know |
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| 18:03.28 | bazzer | musca: well when one mounts an iso it'll mount ro regardless and the fact that you append ro afterwards overrides the rw in any event |
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| 18:03.43 | sharky | bazzer, it may be some kernel bug, would be good if you can test with some test machine with other kernel 2.6 or something else |
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| 18:05.22 | bazzer | sharky: starting to think that myself...i see lots of older bugs out there but mainly related to plugging in some usb device or rebuilding raid or the same process using all available cpu at login...nothing directly related and no real fixes for them either |
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| 18:06.05 | bazzer | sharky: insofar as i can tell that process is used to display mounted/mountable drives in the sidebar of the filemanager when present |
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| 18:08.21 | sharky | bazzer, well if you find a bug you can write email to the kernel list, there are many developers and it is highly likely they will fix it |
| 18:08.25 | michaelis | Hi. I have a Centrino Wireless-N 2230 wifi card. Are there any drivers for this in the deb rep? Non-free are accepted. |
| 18:08.26 | musca | bazzer: which kernel do you use? |
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| 18:09.56 | bazzer | sharky: well my one other thought is that the gvfs package which is tied into how the whole udev/udisk/hotplug whatever is the culprit |
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| 18:10.10 | bazzer | musca: 3.2.0-53 |
| 18:10.38 | sharky | bazzer, it may be that too |
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| 18:10.52 | zykotick9 | sorry i don't go to pastebin.com... |
| 18:11.12 | bazzer | sharky: whatever the case it's an elusive thing to nail down |
| 18:11.17 | digdilem | what is the hate for pastebin about? |
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| 18:11.47 | abrotman | digdilem: ads, etc |
| 18:11.57 | eb0t | i have the standard repository in my sources.list files |
| 18:11.57 | abrotman | michaelis: install the iwlwifi firmware |
| 18:12.01 | digdilem | oh. i have adblocker, I don't notice them |
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| 18:12.17 | eb0t | is there something eles i need to add ...i heard someting about epel or something |
| 18:12.19 | ubitus | Hi! Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I was wondering if it was possible to update to kde-pim 4.8.4 in debian wheezy? I need an up to date pim but don't really feel like installing the testing branch |
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| 18:12.41 | michaelis | abrotman, Ok. I have done that. I'll be right back. |
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| 18:13.27 | sharky | bazzer, depends how much you need the thing working :D |
| 18:13.30 | musca | bazzer: it's number doesn't look like any debian kernel? |
| 18:14.11 | eb0t | do you guys just use the debian standard repositorys that are in the sources.list file or would you advise on others |
| 18:14.19 | bazzer | musca: compiled it out of the main kernel tree |
| 18:14.56 | bazzer | sharky: badly enough :) just need to know how to get info enough to kill it :D |
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| 18:15.29 | digdilem | eb0t, generally use the standards unless I *need* something from elsewhere. |
| 18:15.36 | jelly-home | eb0t: best practice is the outhe way round -- you look/ask for other repos only if you're looking for something specific |
| 18:15.46 | jelly-home | other* |
| 18:16.01 | bazzer | musca: wow you might be onto something |
| 18:16.22 | bazzer | makes no sense but you're onto something |
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| 18:16.41 | eb0t | thanks guys ..i see...im new to all this so was unsure.. |
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| 18:16.50 | eb0t | thanks difdilem and jelly-home |
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| 18:19.12 | eb0t | im browsing the internet and the small videos on the pages wont play |
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| 18:19.54 | eb0t | im not sure what to do to get them playing ...as i was prompted for flash..and when i clicked install plugin it didnt happen |
| 18:20.55 | bazzer | musca: ok that's really, really weird |
| 18:21.18 | bazzer | musca: changing my fstab from defaults,loop,ro to ro,loop makes everything ok |
| 18:21.31 | bazzer | musca: however i changed it back and it's still ok |
| 18:21.36 | bazzer | curious... |
| 18:22.24 | somiaj | eb0t: if you install the package flashplugin-nonfree from the 'non-free' repos you can install the current flash player on your system |
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| 18:23.06 | somiaj | ubitus: you can make your own backport, but I'm unsure how much of kde you would have to backport for that, and it could be a lot |
| 18:23.08 | eb0t | somiaj do i need to add the non-free repos to my sources.list file |
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| 18:23.23 | somiaj | eb0t: yes, just add non-free at the end of the line |
| 18:23.34 | somiaj | eb0t: 'deb mirror/debian wheezy main contrib non-free' |
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| 18:23.44 | oo_miguel | is the following allright? should the device numbers not be [0] and [1] ? md1 : active raid1 sdb2[3] sda2[2] 524276 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU] |
| 18:23.45 | somiaj | eb0t: actually you need to add the contrib repo (not the non-free one) sorry |
| 18:23.58 | eb0t | ok ill do that |
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| 18:24.50 | eb0t | somaiaj ill leave the non-free off ...or should i add it anyway |
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| 18:27.35 | bazzer | lol no i *want* it to mess up and it won't :/ |
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| 18:30.16 | ubitus | somiaj: Not sure if I'd be able to do that, sounds quite complex... Thanks for the info though |
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| 18:32.51 | somiaj | eb0t: the package is not non-free so you don't need it. It does install non-free software on your system, but it will download it from adobe when it installs the package |
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| 18:33.10 | g0d | somiaj: does debian contain non-free blobs? |
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| 18:33.47 | somiaj | g0d: afiak they have all been removed from the main archive, and you have to install the non-free firmware blobs from packages located in the non-free repos |
| 18:34.12 | g0d | somiaj: many people say that debian does actually contain non-free blobs by default. |
| 18:34.19 | jelly-home | oo_miguel: it's alright, and the device numbering does not matter really |
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| 18:34.27 | g0d | such as: the trisquel linux developers, and richard stallman himself. |
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| 18:34.49 | nkuttler | g0d: they don't like the non-free repo, among other things |
| 18:35.08 | somiaj | g0d: he has changed his stance on that, he still doesn't classify debian as a free os, but not because we have non-free blobs in main, but because we make non-free packages easily available and suggest them in our docs |
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| 18:35.33 | oo_miguel | jelly-home: good to know, thanks |
| 18:35.54 | g0d | somiaj: is there anything....privacy-harming thing in those non-free blobs? |
| 18:35.54 | jelly-home | somiaj: it's not as easily available as it could be, though |
| 18:36.01 | g0d | or anything that just, you know. harms your freedom. |
| 18:36.47 | somiaj | jelly-home: yea, lost of support in here is getting peope to turn on non-free so they can use their wifi |
| 18:36.53 | eb0t | if i get and build utorrent on my debian system |
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| 18:37.01 | g0d | eb0t, you are gonna harm your privacy then. |
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| 18:37.18 | eb0t | seriously g0d...in what way |
| 18:37.24 | somiaj | g0d: take a look though there yourself. But there are things form the non-free firmware, to say the prioprotiy nvidia and ati drivers and other non-free software some users want. |
| 18:37.28 | g0d | eb0t, gnu.org |
| 18:37.35 | eb0t | how can i get privacy |
| 18:37.43 | eb0t | ill have a look |
| 18:37.44 | g0d | eb0t: don't google stuff. |
| 18:37.49 | g0d | and don't.......use windows. |
| 18:37.57 | jelly-home | g0d: the purpose of an OS is to run stuff on it; people have the freedom no choose and run non-free software if they will |
| 18:37.58 | g0d | you can use it if you don't wanna become a slave of m$ though |
| 18:38.00 | g0d | basically |
| 18:38.02 | nkuttler | g0d: this is a support channel for Debian, please stay on topic |
| 18:38.03 | g0d | when you install windows |
| 18:38.04 | g0d | you're all like |
| 18:38.09 | g0d | "HERES MY FREEDOM!" |
| 18:38.13 | g0d | "OH DO ME, MICROSOFT" |
| 18:38.14 | eb0t | no i have just finally deleted all windows |
| 18:38.15 | jelly-home | g0d: do you have a Debian tech support question? |
| 18:38.15 | g0d | "DO ME HARD" |
| 18:38.21 | g0d | jelly-home, why yes indeed. |
| 18:38.26 | g0d | jelly-home, is there a way to install xfce? |
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| 18:38.31 | g0d | on debian? i hate gnome, jelly-home. |
| 18:38.36 | jelly-home | g0d: /msg dpkg install xfce |
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| 18:39.00 | eb0t | hey god ...can you recommend a more anonymous torrent downloader |
| 18:39.01 | somiaj | g0d: if you want to discuss how debian splits up free from non-free and the dsfg continue, but stay on topic. (: |
| 18:39.16 | eb0t | that runs well on debian |
| 18:39.20 | somiaj | eb0t: debian contains various torrent programs you can choose to use. |
| 18:39.36 | g0d | if I gotta do it from the graphical installer, jelly-home, do I gotta have a internet connection to install xfce? |
| 18:39.36 | somiaj | eb0t: 'apt-cache search torrent' |
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| 18:39.59 | jelly-home | g0d: you don't have to do it from the graphical installer. |
| 18:40.02 | g0d | somiaj: https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/536 |
| 18:40.08 | g0d | jelly-home: i must do. |
| 18:40.15 | jelly-home | g0d: why? |
| 18:40.21 | eb0t | thanks somiaj |
| 18:40.22 | g0d | "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 18:40.27 | g0d | does this require a internet connection? |
| 18:40.40 | eb0t | i will look but i also want it to be as anonymous as possible |
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| 18:41.11 | jelly-home | g0d: that is one option. The other two you skipped over: use the xfce cd1 image; or install using aptitude. |
| 18:41.14 | g0d | eb0t: you're probably in NSA's xkeyscore. |
| 18:41.38 | g0d | jelly-home: I got the debian wheezy 7 iso file. |
| 18:41.39 | jelly-home | g0d: if you pick the xfce cd1 installer image, you don't need internet access at installation time |
| 18:41.43 | eb0t | i most certainly am |
| 18:41.56 | g0d | oh, where's this xfce cd1 installer? |
| 18:42.00 | eb0t | but im doing my best to tread quietly |
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| 18:42.12 | g0d | eb0t: I am not in NSA's xkeyscore anymore. |
| 18:42.18 | eb0t | ha ha |
| 18:42.21 | g0d | i was in it for some time in 2010 though |
| 18:42.26 | g0d | but now, I jumped outta it. |
| 18:42.30 | eb0t | you have learned the ways |
| 18:42.31 | g0d | and ran as fast I can. |
| 18:42.33 | g0d | to stay away. |
| 18:42.37 | g0d | oh, i sure did, eb0t, i sure did. |
| 18:42.52 | g0d | but eb0t, if you really wanna jump outta da NSA-hole, then go to http://prism-break.org and do as they say. |
| 18:43.01 | jelly-home | g0d: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:43.10 | somiaj | g0d: it requires you have install medium, you could have it on a dvd and install from there if you download the debian dvd images, I think images 1 and 2 should give you almost everything you would want. |
| 18:43.16 | g0d | jelly-home: that's a blank page. |
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| 18:43.34 | jelly-home | g0d: it's not blank for me |
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| 18:43.47 | eb0t | thanks |
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| 18:43.56 | g0d | well. |
| 18:43.58 | g0d | what's wrong. |
| 18:44.08 | g0d | right back at'cha, jelly-home! |
| 18:44.18 | jelly-home | something at your end is wrong, g0d |
| 18:44.45 | sharky | NSA intercepting your communication g0d :D |
| 18:45.10 | g0d | they aren't, sharky. |
| 18:45.14 | g0d | well, they might be spying me on irc. |
| 18:45.16 | g0d | but not my trafifc. |
| 18:45.20 | jelly-home | g0d: which browser are you using to access that page? |
| 18:45.21 | g0d | traffic* oh lord. |
| 18:45.30 | g0d | jelly-home: links. |
| 18:45.54 | g0d | hey jelly-home, version me now. |
| 18:45.56 | jelly-home | g0d: links2? |
| 18:45.58 | g0d | jelly-home, is it accurate now? |
| 18:46.17 | nkuttler | works fine for me in links |
| 18:46.19 | g0d | jelly-home, just kidding, i use firefox. |
| 18:46.25 | g0d | i used firefox to load that page. |
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| 18:46.37 | g0d | and it hits me back with a not-so-beautiful blank page. |
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| 18:47.16 | jelly-home | too bad, I can't help you with that then. Fix your network connectivity first |
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| 18:47.42 | g0d | my network connectivity is flawless. |
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| 18:48.36 | eb0t | that prism-break is exactly what im looking for |
| 18:48.52 | g0d | eb0t, jump outta the NSA-hole, and join the party with me. ;) |
| 18:49.08 | g0d | eb0t, I can see you down there, with all those innocent win32-users in that horrific NSA-hole. |
| 18:49.23 | g0d | throws a rope to eb0t |
| 18:49.28 | g0d | grab that rope, eb0t. |
| 18:49.33 | g0d | (that rope is linux) |
| 18:49.41 | g0d | and climb up! |
| 18:49.52 | g0d | be sure to throw away any microsoft-related product from your pocket. |
| 18:49.52 | jelly-home | eb0t, g0d: please move the non-debian-tech-support chatter elsewhere, to #debian-offtopic perhaps |
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| 18:50.06 | eb0t | thanks god as he has answerd all prayers |
| 18:50.18 | g0d | jelly-home, oh and as I was saying, can you just gimme the direct link for that debian xfce iso file? |
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| 18:50.38 | game_over | türk yokmu la |
| 18:50.49 | jelly-home | g0d: sure, 32 or 64bit? |
| 18:50.51 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 18:50.51 | dpkg | well, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:50.52 | Roland- | hey I rmeoved some packages to make things lightweight however I get Unknown key pressed (raw set 2 in console |
| 18:51.03 | Roland- | any idea what package I removed? |
| 18:51.03 | g0d | 32, jelly-home. |
| 18:51.34 | abrotman | Roland-: you have a package manager log |
| 18:51.59 | jelly-home | g0d: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso (and see also http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS and http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS.sign) |
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| 18:52.14 | Roland- | found it myself, xkb-data |
| 18:52.19 | g0d | alright, thanks alot jelly-home! |
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| 18:52.35 | g0d | and what's the difference between CD 1 & CD 2? |
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| 18:53.05 | jelly-home | what cd 2, g0d? |
| 18:53.32 | g0d | is there a xfce cd 2? |
| 18:53.42 | jelly-home | there is not. |
| 18:54.01 | g0d | and DE do you use, jelly-home? |
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| 18:54.17 | g0d | what DE* |
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| 18:54.47 | jelly-home | g0d: it depends on the moon phase and the machine used, I'm not too picky |
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| 18:55.59 | g0d | xfce or gnome or KDE or LXDE? in terms of speed and less-RAM usage. (and being visually-appealing at the sametime) |
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| 18:57.30 | g0d | well? |
| 18:57.32 | g0d | anybody? |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | g0d: try them all, use the one that suits you |
| 18:57.43 | g0d | abrotman: which one is the fastest? |
| 18:57.56 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 18:58.06 | abrotman | we have no idea what your hardware is, test them |
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| 18:58.27 | g0d | 4GB. |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | g0d: try them all, use the one that suits you |
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| 19:00.09 | g0d | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/78301.html debian just got....thrown to the shithole by linuxinsider. |
| 19:00.10 | g0d | LOL. |
| 19:00.11 | jiohdi | g0d: I use i3 and an lxpanel, very fast |
| 19:00.13 | g0d | jelly-home: check out http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/78301.html |
| 19:00.40 | pseudonym_1000 | On my system startup, I'm getting an error "Setting up LVM Volume Groups... Incorrect metadata area header checksum on /dev/sda1 at offset 4096" however, /dev/sda1 is a Linux partition for /boot with an ext2 filesystem and isn't included in my LVM group |
| 19:00.48 | abrotman | g0d: then don't use, please /part when you're done |
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| 19:00.55 | pseudonym_1000 | any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 19:02.13 | somiaj | g0d: I suggest finding just a wm and not using a de if you want light weight, there are another set of choices for that |
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| 19:04.56 | jelly-home | pseudonym_1000: lvm is detecting some (partial?) remainder of lvm metadata on that device. Since it's your /boot I gather it's probably fairly small. I'd probably backup all the files (cp -a or similar), umount it, fill it with zeroes, reformat, mount, put the files back in place and reinstall the boot loader if need be |
| 19:06.25 | pseudonym_1000 | jelly-home: that seems like a fairly reasonable solution. i have a pretty good idea that there's some LVM crap from a previously failed debian install that didn't get wiped out |
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| 19:06.45 | pseudonym_1000 | I'm using LVM, just not until after /dev/sda1 |
| 19:07.25 | pseudonym_1000 | and yeah, my boot /sda1 is only like a 300mb partition |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | pseudonym_1000: if you play smart and use blkid or similar to remember the current UUID and put it back with mke2fs, you can avoid having to update /etc/fstab |
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| 19:08.21 | pseudonym_1000 | i can get the UUID currently and save it, i'm not sure how to use mke2fs to put it back though |
| 19:08.35 | jelly-home | there's a parameter to set it |
| 19:08.49 | jelly-home | at mkfs time |
| 19:08.50 | pseudonym_1000 | but i can type man mke2fs with the best of them :P |
| 19:08.59 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 19:09.10 | pseudonym_1000 | thanks for the suggestion |
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| 19:09.31 | pseudonym_1000 | it doesn't seem to be having any noticable effect on my system's performance however |
| 19:09.35 | pseudonym_1000 | i was thinking about just ignoring it |
| 19:09.54 | pseudonym_1000 | through trying to fix it, i could end up breaking things |
| 19:10.23 | jelly-home | that's why I didn't want to suggest doing pvremove, it might wipe bits of the existing fs |
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| 19:12.05 | pseudonym_1000 | i think the space between offset 0 and offset 2048 is where the old LVM info is sitting |
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| 19:12.24 | pseudonym_1000 | gparted shows /dev/sda1 first sector as 2048 |
| 19:13.17 | pseudonym_1000 | or perhaps between 2048 and 4096 (the sector the LVM error is complaining about not seeing LVM metadata) |
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| 19:20.09 | Roland- | hello any other tool to manage startup services beside rcconf ? |
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| 19:21.20 | nkuttler | Roland-: update-rc.d |
| 19:21.32 | nkuttler | or just rm + ln if that's your thing.. |
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| 19:41.38 | eb0t | i just did an $ apptitude install firefox and it wasnt found |
| 19:41.42 | eb0t | what im i missing |
| 19:41.47 | somiaj | eb0t: iceweasel |
| 19:41.57 | eb0t | is that the same thing |
| 19:42.05 | sharky | and root |
| 19:42.07 | Sevet | yes, it's the unbranded version |
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| 19:42.19 | somiaj | yes, due to the branding of the 'firefox' name debian has to provided a unbranded version |
| 19:42.24 | eb0t | ah ok...and can i get the plugins and stuff that firefox uses |
| 19:42.38 | Sevet | yes |
| 19:42.40 | somiaj | correct, besides for the branding/name it is the same |
| 19:42.59 | somiaj | its version is the older esr, so very new plugins may not work, but almost all do |
| 19:43.10 | eb0t | thanks somiaj |
| 19:43.11 | Sevet | !tell eb0t -about iceweasel vs firefox |
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| 19:43.43 | Companion | when I am trying to access my movies database of my Debian Server it simply crashes the network interface or the hard drive kills in RPM |
| 19:43.48 | somiaj | oh nice, 17esr is now in security for wheezy, that should help things |
| 19:44.04 | somiaj | eb0t: mozilla.debian.net if you really want the newest version, but the 17esr version from the security repos should be just fine |
| 19:44.05 | Companion | It used to give errors in no caching stuff but theres nothign relevant in the logs now |
| 19:44.47 | eb0t | do i have to add the word security to my sources.list file along with contrib and non-free |
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| 19:47.07 | abrotman | different sources |
| 19:47.12 | somiaj | eb0t: are you runnign wheezy? You should have seperate sercurity sources |
| 19:47.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eb0t about wheezy sources.list |
| 19:47.29 | somiaj | !tell eb0t about security |
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| 19:47.36 | eb0t | yes im runnung wheezy |
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| 19:51.51 | ompaul | eb0t: you could paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file for people to see in http://paste.debian.net (no adverts) |
| 19:52.59 | eb0t | ok i have modified it.. |
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| 19:53.09 | abrotman | so? |
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| 19:54.49 | somiaj | eb0t: make sure to run apt-get update after |
| 19:55.11 | somiaj | eb0t: also if you did not have security sources, you should do an upgrade to get the security fixes |
| 19:55.46 | eb0t | i have just pasted the thing into pastebin under eb0t |
| 19:56.01 | somiaj | eb0t: best to just share the paste link here |
| 19:56.08 | eb0t | ah ok |
| 19:56.28 | eb0t | paste.debian.net/33358/ |
| 19:56.40 | eb0t | http://paste.debian.net/33358/ |
| 19:56.48 | eb0t | sorry i did it on antoher terminal |
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| 19:58.44 | somiaj | eb0t: assuming line 16 is not really in the file, it is just fine. Now run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to get your security fixes |
| 19:59.05 | eb0t | ah thanks |
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| 20:03.20 | mallxs | hi, just installed wheezy .. i'm looking for nspluginwrapper, apt-get tells it is in a other package but can locate that package ... any tips ? |
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| 20:03.58 | somiaj | mallxs: what do you need it for? |
| 20:04.27 | mallxs | somiaj: the Citrix client :-( needs it |
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| 20:04.41 | somiaj | mallxs: it was removed from debian as very few people actually need/use it |
| 20:04.55 | somiaj | mallxs: you could grab the package from packages.debian.org for squeeze, you most likely satisfy the install requirements |
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| 20:05.24 | somiaj | mallxs: no guarntee it will work, but it should |
| 20:05.42 | somiaj | mallxs: but I would think about finding another solution (might want to install nspluginwrapper locally from upstream) |
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| 20:06.03 | mallxs | can i do that with adding squeeze to soures.list or do i have to do more apt-pinning ? |
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| 20:06.59 | mmoll | hi, I'm having problems with my mp3 collection and the new rhythmbox that came to testing... is something like the gstreamer-fluendo package needed? |
| 20:07.17 | dsockwel1 | on wheezy, i just fixed a failing upgrade because of an ambiguous dependency on zlib1g. I'd like to file a bug so the offending dep can be fixed (i suspect a multiarch problem) but how can i figure out which package caused it? |
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| 20:07.38 | dsockwel1 | purging zlib1g:i386 allowed apt-get upgrade to complete |
| 20:07.42 | somiaj | mallxs: I would not add squeeze to your sources.list, you do not want to mix things |
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| 20:08.44 | somiaj | mallxs: in general you don't want ot install random debs, but because the requirements are >= it should install on wheezy with no errors. In this case you are kinda left with installing a deb that may work (in this case I think it will) or usually prefered to compile and manage your own install since it is no longer supported by debian |
| 20:09.29 | mallxs | somiaj: thx |
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| 20:16.00 | clyde6 | Can anybody tell me why my mouse stops working after reboot until I unplug/replug it? |
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| 20:18.51 | gnuweb | hello everyone. has anyone installed gitorious on wheezy? |
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| 20:20.54 | eb0t | ah thanks |
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| 20:21.26 | eb0t | when i search for gns3 on the debian website ...it says there are 3 packages that contain the word gns3 |
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| 20:21.43 | eb0t | gns3 libcgns31 and ligcgns3.1-dbg |
| 20:21.53 | gnuweb | or anyone with experience with ruby |
| 20:21.56 | Arrowmaster | you want the first one |
| 20:21.58 | eb0t | but when i do apt-cache search gns3 |
| 20:22.05 | eb0t | the gns3 package is missing |
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| 20:22.37 | Arrowmaster | eb0t: gns3 is in non-free on squeeze and contrib in everything newer than squeeze |
| 20:22.48 | eb0t | its in the contrib repo |
| 20:23.03 | eb0t | but i have contrib listed in my sources.list |
| 20:23.13 | Arrowmaster | did you run apt-get update |
| 20:23.20 | eb0t | oh not yet |
| 20:23.22 | eb0t | thanks |
| 20:23.25 | eb0t | that will be it |
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| 20:23.35 | eb0t | i was going to run aptitude update |
| 20:23.44 | eb0t | rather than apt get update |
| 20:23.44 | Arrowmaster | either one |
| 20:23.53 | eb0t | ah thanks |
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| 20:25.44 | eb0t | got it its there now thank you arrowmaster |
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| 20:30.05 | eb0t | does anyone know the difference between weechat and weechat-core |
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| 20:34.09 | abrotman | eb0t: did you read the descriptoins? |
| 20:34.21 | eb0t | yes the core said core files |
| 20:34.31 | eb0t | the weechat said weechat client |
| 20:34.53 | abrotman | does one depend on the other? |
| 20:34.58 | eb0t | not sure |
| 20:35.05 | eb0t | i was going to download both |
| 20:35.10 | eb0t | but only if necessary |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | why not read the descriptions? |
| 20:35.48 | eb0t | i read them...just doesnt make much sense |
| 20:36.01 | eb0t | one is core files the other is the client |
| 20:36.10 | abrotman | read the rest of the information there |
| 20:36.12 | eb0t | surely i need the core files to run the client |
| 20:36.16 | eb0t | then why are they seperate |
| 20:36.37 | eb0t | maybe they should delete the core files and mix it all together |
| 20:36.50 | abrotman | maybe .. file a bug |
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| 20:37.04 | eb0t | yes i will |
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| 20:43.46 | evelyette | hi |
| 20:44.34 | evelyette | I wanted to download debian iso, but even when trying to download dvd iso, there are three files available: part 1,2,3: why are there three dvd isos, which one should I download to install Debian z ? |
| 20:45.15 | jiohdi | evelyette: thats if you want like every single package debian has |
| 20:45.21 | jiohdi | there is no need for that |
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| 20:46.33 | evelyette | jiohdi, so what should I download then? |
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| 20:46.50 | abrotman | evelyette: you only need the first one |
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| 20:47.36 | evelyette | aboman, so debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? |
| 20:47.36 | eb0t | evelyette i used the network install and it was much faster to get started |
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| 20:47.43 | jiohdi | evelyette: it depends on what you want, there are cd iso for getting started then you just add what you want |
| 20:47.57 | abrotman | evelyette: yes, that will be fine |
| 20:48.46 | jiohdi | evelyette: if you do not have more than 4g of memory, the 64bit version can be worse than the 32bit |
| 20:49.09 | evelyette | jiohdi, do you mean when installing or when using the system ? |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | evelyette: that ISO will be fine |
| 20:50.02 | jiohdi | 64bit really does not add any benefit unless you have more than 4gig memory |
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| 20:50.11 | abrotman | that's not true |
| 20:50.25 | abrotman | evelyette: the ISO you pasted above will work fine. |
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| 20:50.47 | jiohdi | why is the multi-arch not better? |
| 20:51.03 | abrotman | multiarch of what? the installer or the OS? |
| 20:51.08 | jiohdi | the os |
| 20:51.23 | abrotman | there's little reason to not run AMD64 if you can |
| 20:51.42 | jiohdi | accept third party packages that do not act well with 64bit |
| 20:51.56 | abrotman | except |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | jiohdi: and that's where you use multiarch |
| 20:52.28 | qman__ | yeah, running 64-bit is the norm |
| 20:52.36 | qman__ | it's extremely rare to find something that won't work |
| 20:52.47 | qman__ | it's not like it was five or six years ago |
| 20:53.07 | evelyette | thank ou |
| 20:53.08 | evelyette | you |
| 20:55.20 | jelly-home | IME, amd64 has no visible benefits for a workstation, and eats more RAM |
| 20:55.46 | jelly-home | and if you really need something to be 64bit... use multiarch :-) |
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| 20:58.00 | cxd1 | would anyone be kind enough to check out this output from dmesg and see if they know why my wifi connection only works for 5 seconds after connection and then slows to a complete halt? |
| 20:58.02 | cxd1 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c58465ec/ |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | it's hidden! |
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| 20:58.48 | cxd1 | http://paste.debian.net/33383/ |
| 20:58.50 | cxd1 | oops |
| 20:59.11 | abrotman | also, you truncated the top of the dmesg |
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| 21:00.03 | cxd1 | my terminal doesn't show that many lines. i got the most that i could. i think the part in question is the lines that say "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 21:00.15 | abrotman | cxd1: uname -a please |
| 21:00.33 | abrotman | cxd1: i know it's truncated because I was curious which kernel you had, and that's at the top |
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| 21:01.47 | cxd1 | linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 debian 3.2.41-2 i686 gnu/linux |
| 21:02.04 | abrotman | cxd1: and what's your wifi card? |
| 21:02.32 | cxd1 | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 13b1:0020 Linksys WUSB54GC v1 802.11g Adapter [Ralink RT73] |
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| 21:02.57 | cxd1 | i download the firmware for it from debian (the package is called firmware-ralink) |
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| 21:03.42 | abrotman | if it were me, i'd probably try the backports kernel, and see if they have newer firmware |
| 21:03.56 | Roland- | latest version of coreutils doesn't display double mounts, just compiled and replaced /bin/df only. |
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| 21:04.30 | cxd1 | you mean linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae ? |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:04.43 | abrotman | !tell cxd1 about backports |
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| 21:05.48 | cxd1 | thank you. i installed before on top of crunchbang and didn't have luck but now that i have pure debian maybe i can try it again |
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| 21:13.02 | jelly-home | hm, rt73usb is quite old, I guess it should be well supported even on 3.2 |
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| 21:15.57 | RubenL | Hi all |
| 21:16.27 | RubenL | I have just upgraded debian to 3.10-2-686-pae |
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| 21:18.52 | rohieb | hi |
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| 21:19.23 | rohieb | maybe anyone here can tell me what these versions with +b1 etc. at the are, and why they have no changelog entry? |
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| 21:20.04 | RubenL | Someone can help me with nvidia-kernel-3.10-2-686-pae -> pastebin.com/H5crQjrW |
| 21:20.25 | abrotman | rohieb: example please |
| 21:21.03 | rohieb | abrotman: like subversion_1.6.17dfsg-4.1+b1, which is currently in testing-proposed |
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| 21:22.17 | abrotman | rohieb: did you downloda the package to see if it has a changelog entry? |
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| 21:23.52 | rohieb | abrotman: yes, the last recent version is for 1.6.17dfsg-4.1 |
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| 21:24.59 | musca | RubenL: 304.88 isn't compatible with kernel 3.10 |
| 21:25.17 | musca | RubenL: 304.108 is on its way. |
| 21:25.20 | abrotman | rohieb: possibly a recompile for dependency change? |
| 21:25.24 | RubenL | musca, how should I proceed? |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | rohieb: looking to see if i can find it |
| 21:25.56 | rohieb | abrotman: but the dependency change would be visible in debian/control, no? |
| 21:25.56 | RubenL | how could I deinstall 304.88 and use 304.108 ? |
| 21:26.02 | jelly-home | rohieb: all of the +b1 versions I've seens were binary rebuilds with no source changes, and there are known bugs about their changelog entries not appearing on the web (or on aptitude changelog) |
| 21:26.10 | rohieb | abrotman: I could not find anything in debian policy |
| 21:26.14 | musca | RubenL: which nvidiacard do you use? |
| 21:26.36 | rohieb | jelly-home: ah, that makes sence |
| 21:26.37 | nagetier | Hi, using the 'debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso' Image installed a 486 optimized Kernel on a P54C machine. Is it possible the packages are also 486 optimized an not for the 586 (Kernel option: Pentium classic) instruction set? |
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| 21:26.57 | rohieb | jelly-home: no source change == no changelog change => no new changelog |
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| 21:27.16 | rohieb | thx |
| 21:27.18 | RubenL | musca, 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation [GeForce 8200] (rev a2) |
| 21:27.20 | abrotman | rohieb: because there's no actual change, but I thought the QA page kept a note |
| 21:27.57 | jelly-home | rohieb: er, yes and no. You'll see the changelog if you try to install it. apt-listchanges will show it too (and using testing, you probably ought to have it installed anyway) |
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| 21:28.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: i just grabbed the packag,e looked at the changelog, nothing |
| 21:28.26 | jelly-home | oh that's... bad |
| 21:28.27 | rohieb | jelly-home: ah, I downloaded the package with apt-get source, so there is my problem :) |
| 21:28.36 | abrotman | rohieb: ah, there we go |
| 21:29.21 | abrotman | it's in the changelog.Debian.i386.gz http://paste.debian.net/33391/ |
| 21:29.36 | abrotman | because it's a binary-only recompile thingie |
| 21:29.48 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 21:30.02 | rohieb | ahhh! there it is! |
| 21:30.16 | rohieb | only for me, it's changelod.Debian.amd64.gz ;) |
| 21:30.23 | musca | RubenL: why do you think you need nvidia? is xserver-xorg-video-nouveau not suitable? |
| 21:30.23 | rohieb | s/od/og/ |
| 21:30.26 | abrotman | rohieb: yes |
| 21:30.43 | rohieb | cool. so mystery solved, thanks :) |
| 21:30.46 | RubenL | musca: that will solve my problem? |
| 21:31.24 | musca | it's autoconfigured without your interaction. |
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| 21:33.22 | RubenL | musca: is that the unique solution? |
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| 21:35.22 | musca | well, installing the blob from nvidia is not supported. |
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| 21:36.16 | musca | go with nouveau and hope that nvidia 304.108 will arrive in backports. |
| 21:36.37 | musca | sooner or later. |
| 21:37.27 | RubenL | musca: I have to enable nouveau in xorg, install xserger-xorg-video-nouveau, and that's all? |
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| 21:37.56 | musca | the nvidia driver has blacklisted the nouveau modul. You need to uninstall the nvidia package thereby removing the blacklist. |
| 21:38.13 | RubenL | ok |
| 21:38.19 | RubenL | musca: let my try |
| 21:38.23 | nagetier | (sorry that silly question, answered myself) |
| 21:38.37 | musca | also there is a device section you must remove |
| 21:38.43 | Monkeytoe | anyone here happen to know what ssl library ddclient is referring to in its configuration file... it says ssl=yes # use ssl-support. Works with ssl-library |
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| 21:39.27 | musca | RubenL: also there is a device section in xorg.conf you must remove |
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| 21:42.39 | RubenL | musca: which one? |
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| 21:45.08 | musca | RubenL: search for nvidia in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.conf |
| 21:46.16 | RubenL | musca: thank you, I have my X back |
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| 21:46.52 | RubenL | musca: let's hope nvidia come soon with new version |
| 21:46.55 | musca | should be quite good as geforce 8xxx is a little older. |
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| 21:47.38 | musca | RubenL: 304.108 is already in testing, so chances are good. |
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| 21:48.17 | RubenL | musca: I saw it in rrepositories but as virtual package |
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| 21:57.20 | armin | i installed my girlfriend a debian on her laptop because ubuntu didn't work smooth. she's installing all the stuff she needs completely on her own, finds her way around, and googles for stuff she doesn't know yet, completely without any help from my side. what she stumbles upon is having to fiddle out how to get skype and wine running with 32bit libraries, everything else she solves by her own. |
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| 21:57.26 | armin | i'm impressed. |
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| 21:58.13 | HisaoNakai | tfw girls here can't even handle windows |
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| 22:02.02 | nonconvergent | armin: Does she have a twin? |
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| 22:03.50 | mallxs | hi i build nspluginwrapper upto checkinstall but no install form me ... i also has created lsb-build-i386 libs for me but now i have to copy them one by one to /lib/i386-linux-gnu and then ln them with .0 ... is there a other way to do this ? |
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| 22:06.00 | digdilem | armin, she sounds like a keeper |
| 22:06.16 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 22:06.37 | digdilem | sorry, romance-police :) |
| 22:06.40 | mallxs | armin: pictures please |
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| 22:07.16 | abrotman | mallxs: completely inappropriate, go play elsewhere |
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| 22:19.44 | musca | armin: debian is open for everybody, and there is #debian-women (on oftc.net) were she might be interested in. |
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| 22:24.59 | Roland- | hello having some trouble: ucf[3374]: segfault at d0723eb99e0 ip 00007f107aa7be21 sp 00007fffac119418 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7f107a9fb000+180000] |
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| 22:26.28 | armin | musca: ah cool |
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| 22:26.31 | abrotman | probably a lot more to that |
| 22:27.14 | musca | mallxs: there is xulrunner for iceweasel |
| 22:28.41 | musca | ,info xulrunner-17.0 |
| 22:28.49 | judd | No package named 'xulrunner-17.0' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 22:28.55 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:29.12 | musca | it's in wheezy-security |
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| 22:30.26 | armin | musca: thank you, i think she will be hanging around there soon. i'm just impressed about how quickly she finds her way around, especially compared to the "much easier to use" ubuntu, which in fact turned out to confuse her WAY more. |
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| 22:36.30 | hanasaki | what version of firefox and thunderbird are the current debian versions based off ? |
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| 22:39.09 | abrotman | hanasaki: should match the iceweasel numbers |
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| 22:40.18 | hanasaki | abrotman: thanks... one to one match :) lookes like iceweasel has issues with acid3 tests ? https://wiki.debian.org/Acid3 |
| 22:40.19 | hanasaki | what is the browser of choice for debian? the email of choice for debian? |
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| 22:41.40 | jhutchins | Is there some sort of metapackage for "games"? |
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| 22:42.09 | hanasaki | hey jhutchins sup? |
| 22:42.19 | eb0t | on youtube it seems to take ages when i upthe quality is there anything i can do about that |
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| 22:43.15 | jhutchins | hanasaki: Howdy. |
| 22:43.35 | jhutchins | cbdev: Upgrade web connection? |
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| 22:44.40 | jhutchins | hanasaki: gnome and kde have their own mail, there's icedove, and there is mut & alpine. |
| 22:44.51 | jhutchins | hanasaki: Some people like claws. |
| 22:46.01 | abrotman | jhutchins: for all games? |
| 22:46.18 | hanasaki | is considering going back good ol debian 100% / trying to figure out what will be missing/diff from other debian like flavors |
| 22:46.43 | hanasaki | jhutchins: you a kde or gnome guy? |
| 22:47.09 | jhutchins | xfce. |
| 22:47.28 | hanasaki | :) |
| 22:47.39 | hanasaki | it has its own email too? |
| 22:47.59 | jhutchins | No, I basically use squirrelmail. |
| 22:48.15 | hanasaki | been a long time since I did that |
| 22:48.21 | jhutchins | I have an old lenny system I fire up when I need more features or my old (corrupt) addres book. |
| 22:48.22 | hanasaki | there was ummm rbox also |
| 22:48.40 | abrotman | roundcube? |
| 22:48.49 | hanasaki | ya |
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| 22:49.34 | hanasaki | apache has hupa |
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| 22:49.59 | jhutchins | I hear bad things about the lastest kdemail. |
| 22:50.25 | hanasaki | kde keeps running into mysql issues for me |
| 22:50.44 | jhutchins | kde4 broke when it tried to index everything on my system. |
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| 22:50.59 | jhutchins | I can't open my address book in it at all. |
| 22:51.01 | hanasaki | and my thunderbird started showing just the account names.. no folders :( |
| 22:51.10 | hanasaki | lol index... ya |
| 22:51.17 | jhutchins | Yeah, it's good at that kind of thing. |
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| 22:51.34 | jhutchins | I really would rather not have my desktop try to index metadata for everything I have. |
| 22:51.36 | hanasaki | gnome 3 seems to index a bit better.. but the dock isn't as good as mac lol |
| 22:51.49 | jhutchins | I wish it was something you could switch off. |
| 22:51.54 | hanasaki | it is |
| 22:52.20 | hanasaki | kde / system settings / desktop search |
| 22:52.25 | jhutchins | Not between kmail and kdeaddressbook as far as I can tell. It runs three or four servers just to try to handle that, and they got all crossed up on mine. |
| 22:52.44 | jhutchins | Something to do with 3,000 blank entries in the address book. |
| 22:52.58 | hanasaki | apcheds :) |
| 22:52.59 | jhutchins | xfce works great. |
| 22:53.22 | abrotman | suspects pebkac |
| 22:53.40 | hanasaki | what do you think would be missing of significance on wheezy vs buntu.... other than flash? |
| 22:53.48 | abrotman | jhutchins: use debtags |
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| 22:53.53 | abrotman | hanasaki: Debian has flash |
| 22:53.58 | abrotman | or a method to install it |
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| 22:54.14 | hanasaki | yup... just found it |
| 22:54.22 | nkuttler | hanasaki: from my point of view ubuntu lacks many things.. |
| 22:54.35 | abrotman | not really a Debian vs Unbut channel |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | Ubuntu |
| 22:54.46 | hanasaki | kernel 3.2 ... vs 3.4... Ihave haswell hd4000 graphics.... will that work? |
| 22:55.02 | abrotman | hanasaki: do you have the pciid? |
| 22:55.22 | hanasaki | nkuttler: abrotman has a point.. not starting a linux vs war... sorry folks |
| 22:55.46 | hanasaki | nkuttler: you can msg me if you want to share the info... I am interested however will keep it out of channel |
| 22:56.01 | abrotman | hanasaki: asking if your stuff might work is on topic |
| 22:56.13 | abrotman | thinks this new modem may not pan out |
| 22:56.20 | hanasaki | pciid? |
| 22:56.28 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
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| 22:56.54 | hanasaki | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06) |
| 22:57.07 | hanasaki | 00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Haswell HD Audio Controller [8086:0c0c] (rev 06) |
| 22:57.16 | hanasaki | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:43b1] (rev 03) |
| 22:57.25 | abrotman | i don't see it in the 3.2 kenrel, but the 3.10 in backports may work better |
| 22:57.44 | abrotman | the broadcom is all firmware anyway .. |
| 22:57.50 | abrotman | is seriously lagging .. |
| 22:58.03 | hanasaki | abrotman: where do I find that info myself please? |
| 22:58.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hanasaki about driver locator |
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| 23:01.04 | hanasaki | abrotman: 00:02.0 shows nvidia |
| 23:01.07 | hanasaki | ?? |
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| 23:03.01 | jhutchins | abrotman: debtags is interesting, but it looks like only adept can install by debtag. |
| 23:03.23 | hanasaki | abrotman: what in the output is the pciid |
| 23:04.23 | abrotman | jhutchins: yes and no .. you can easily get a pcakage list and feed it to any package manager |
| 23:04.36 | khim | Is there any other way to change root password if you have lost it? |
| 23:04.52 | abrotman | hanasaki: the [1234:a2f8] looking stuff |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | !tell khim about ifrp |
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| 23:13.39 | hanasaki | how do I get a list of wifi ssid's from my wifi card? |
| 23:14.04 | dvs | hanasaki: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 23:14.20 | hanasaki | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 23:15.22 | abrotman | so maybe it's not wlan0 |
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| 23:16.22 | hanasaki | never did wifi yet |
| 23:16.40 | hanasaki | how do I find the nic? |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | how do you find any NIC? |
| 23:17.11 | hanasaki | ifconfig .. its not shown. just eth0 ad lo |
| 23:17.36 | jhutchins | han ifconfig -a |
| 23:17.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | Is there a common way to get a small debian home server to put the disks to sleep when not in use? |
| 23:18.30 | jhutchins | LinuxGuy2020: Hardware capabilit varies. THe hdparm command and documentation may help. |
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| 23:19.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | jhutchins: thank you |
| 23:20.15 | jhutchins | Most games seem to want a pretty full instlal of gnome or kde. |
| 23:20.23 | abrotman | try without recommends? |
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| 23:21.22 | musca | hanasaki: for pci devices: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 23:21.57 | abrotman | musca: that wasn't what he was asking |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | jeez .. |
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| 23:22.21 | jhutchins | Still wants a lot of libraries. 98 files for kmines. |
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| 23:22.35 | GapSpark_ | hello |
| 23:22.42 | GapSpark_ | i have developed an app |
| 23:22.45 | GapSpark_ | a small one |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | jhutchins: uhm, it's starting with a 'k' for a reason |
| 23:22.53 | jhutchins | Yep. |
| 23:22.56 | GapSpark_ | and have made it into a debian package |
| 23:23.00 | OnionNet | GapSpark_ way to go |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | jhutchins: try sgt-puzzles |
| 23:23.03 | GapSpark_ | but i have question |
| 23:23.13 | GapSpark_ | OnionNet pardon? |
| 23:23.23 | OnionNet | GapSpark_ kudos |
| 23:23.36 | GapSpark_ | !ops onionnet |
| 23:23.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gapspark_ complains about: onionnet |
| 23:23.43 | abrotman | GapSpark_: i can see, i'm right here, thank you |
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| 23:23.50 | abrotman | OnionNet: do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:24.33 | OnionNet | yes I want to know how I can get a package authenticated |
| 23:24.42 | OnionNet | or is that up to the devs |
| 23:24.45 | OnionNet | ? |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | jhutchins: sgt-puzzles has many common puzzle games that now have a 'g' or 'k' starting the package name |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | OnionNet: you'll need to be more explicit |
| 23:24.54 | GapSpark_ | so how do i submit my package? |
| 23:25.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell GapSpark_ about nmg |
| 23:25.31 | OnionNet | abrotman, when I try to apt-get install task, apt moans about it not being verified/authed. synaptics even adds that it is dangerous |
| 23:25.33 | GapSpark_ | abrotman: yes yes i have read all this bs before |
| 23:25.38 | GapSpark_ | but i am confused |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | OnionNet: your keys are out of date |
| 23:25.45 | OnionNet | I want to know why this is, if something can be done about it, or if it is safe to ignore |
| 23:25.50 | musca | hanasaki: i think you are missing a firmware for your device. Not being able to scan is typical. |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | gapif you call it BS, you apparently didn't read it very well |
| 23:25.53 | GapSpark_ | after i submit package and someone installs it |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | GapSpark_: |
| 23:26.17 | GapSpark_ | how do i get the payment from the debian store ? |
| 23:26.27 | abrotman | GapSpark_: that's funny, go play elsewhere |
| 23:26.56 | GapSpark_ | huh? |
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| 23:27.30 | GapSpark_ | time is money and developing apps takes time |
| 23:27.38 | GapSpark_ | i need a few bucks each download |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | GapSpark_: You're in the wrong channel |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | GapSpark_: please go troll somewhere else |
| 23:28.11 | GapSpark_ | !ops abrotman |
| 23:28.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gapspark_ complains about: abrotman |
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| 23:28.33 | abrotman | GapSpark_: this channel is for people tha tneed help with Debian |
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| 23:31.42 | eb0t | hi will it be safe for me to add sublime text to my system using |
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| 23:32.14 | eb0t | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text02 |
| 23:32.25 | abrotman | probably not |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | those are meant for Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 23:32.48 | eb0t | what about if i get it from the site abrotman ....and build and install it manually |
| 23:33.02 | eb0t | would that be better |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | it's binary-only last i knew? |
| 23:33.23 | eb0t | oh i didnt know |
| 23:33.34 | eb0t | so your saying that both will do the same thing |
| 23:33.56 | abrotman | no |
| 23:34.25 | eb0t | so its ok to download from the website and install rahter than doing the apt-get thing |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | the packages are built for Ubuntu |
| 23:34.58 | eb0t | oh i see |
| 23:35.00 | dvs | eb0t: No, that's how peope screw up their systems |
| 23:35.09 | eb0t | yes its important i dont do that |
| 23:35.09 | james41382 | I want to learn to take a directory containing source and make a package from it. Where can I find a good tutorial on this? I have been looking at the handbook.. |
| 23:36.01 | eb0t | i looked at the sublime text 2 and it looked good for coding it colors things and easy to see whats going on |
| 23:36.11 | eb0t | more than with a standard text editor |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | lots of editors do that |
| 23:36.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell james41382 about nmg |
| 23:36.29 | eb0t | ok...ill try and find one in the repository |
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| 23:57.42 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ok the hdparm standby timer is what I want to use. Only problem is that something keeps bringing it back on frm standby and I dont know what. How can I find out? |
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