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| 00:06.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | Wonder if its possible for filesystem journaling to keep waking up a drive. |
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| 00:10.04 | hanasaki | booted the debian live 7 iso and it did not find my ethernet card.... manually loaded the modprobe driver e1000e and it still did not find the NIC |
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| 00:12.40 | hanasaki | how do I get the 8086153b pciid to wrk? |
| 00:14.33 | abrotman | might need firmware |
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| 00:15.00 | hanasaki | don't really understand wht that means... |
| 00:15.07 | dvs | !firmware |
| 00:15.07 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 00:15.42 | eb0t | is it possible to connect a second disk holding data in ntfs format ...to my debian system that is a disk with ext4 format. |
| 00:16.00 | nagetier | hanasaki, the e1000e module is loaded without errors? look at dmesg. |
| 00:16.05 | hanasaki | yes |
| 00:16.08 | eb0t | the second disk is my old microsoft windows storage disk ..its only got stored files on it ..not windows |
| 00:16.15 | hanasaki | is e1000e what provides the firmware? |
| 00:16.53 | eb0t | the debian system is built on a gtp partition format |
| 00:17.05 | eb0t | the second disk is standard mbr |
| 00:18.05 | hanasaki | nagetier: should the live CD find the NIC and load e1000e on its own at boot time? |
| 00:19.50 | nagetier | hanasaki, at my system the device name for e1000e NIC is 'enp0s25' on non-debian. |
| 00:21.10 | musca | hanasaki: the I217-V is supportet since kernel 3.5 |
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| 00:24.44 | abrotman | /win 23 |
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| 01:12.50 | blawiz | is there a way to make tray applications act as normal applications? since i do not use a tray |
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| 01:13.51 | somiaj | depends on the application |
| 01:14.19 | somiaj | there are also simple treys if you use a wm that doesn't have one |
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| 01:20.05 | kingsley | Why would GNOME report that a wireless router at the end of a (recently connected) ethernet cable is a "wired" connection? |
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| 01:21.07 | kingsley | Is it reasonable to expect that a Medialink Wireless-n broadband router can give a desktop computer WIFI access? |
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| 01:24.02 | abrotman | kingsley: what's the device name? |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | wait, you're complaining because your wired ethernet connection shows up as wired? |
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| 01:26.44 | kingsley | I'm not complaining. |
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| 01:28.05 | kingsley | Among other things, I'm wondering why a wireless device does not appear to be installed, other than as a wired device. |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | waits for kingsley to rephrase |
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| 01:29.16 | blawiz | somiaj, yeah, i dont want a trey, looks much slicker without one :] |
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| 01:31.32 | daniel-s | Hi |
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| 01:32.08 | daniel-s | I get email on my localhost. What is this exactly? How do I configure Thunderbird to access this? |
| 01:32.26 | daniel-s | Is it an IMAP server running on the localhost, or something different? |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | daniel-s: which user gets the email ? |
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| 01:32.37 | abrotman | and do you actually want to read it? |
| 01:32.54 | daniel-s | I never read it, it's email from automatic things like cron jobs and apt |
| 01:33.03 | daniel-s | they get sent to root and forwarded to me |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | but do you want to read it? |
| 01:33.07 | daniel-s | I'm the only user on the machine. |
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| 01:33.18 | daniel-s | I was more just curious what exactly it was. |
| 01:33.26 | abrotman | messages about completed jobs, etc |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | possible errors |
| 01:33.32 | daniel-s | and find out how it's configured and how to change it. |
| 01:33.40 | daniel-s | Well, I mean, I can read it with mutt. |
| 01:33.51 | daniel-s | But I'm not sure what it is that I'm reading. |
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| 01:35.09 | abrotman | you can configure a mail client to read it, or forward it all to the trash |
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| 01:46.18 | nonconvergent | Is nouveau the default for debian-installer detecting an nvidia card? |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | considering that the nvidia driver is non-free? |
| 01:46.53 | somiaj | I belive so, with vesa as a fall back. non-free is not enabled or set up by default. |
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| 01:49.42 | nonconvergent | nouveau support still lacking in areas? |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | that's what happens when the hardware company won't release specs or help the OSS developers write drivers |
| 01:50.41 | nonconvergent | I know. |
| 01:51.01 | nonconvergent | It's an admirable job given the amount of reverse engineering going on. |
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| 01:52.32 | somiaj | nonconvergent: once you install enabling and installing non-free nvidia drivers is straight forward |
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| 01:53.42 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I'm just debating if I should. |
| 01:54.14 | linu | What can we get if we use only Openish graphics cards ? |
| 01:54.18 | somiaj | nonconvergent: if you want to game I would say yes, if you use mostly 2d/movies/desktop type stuff you won't notice the difference |
| 01:54.33 | somiaj | linu: intel is fairly good at giving the os community their support. |
| 01:54.40 | linu | Like, whats the most powerful one to get if we want to stick with only wheezy and wheezy-backports without non-free ? |
| 01:54.53 | abrotman | linu: intel |
| 01:54.58 | abrotman | maybe some radeon cards |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | oh, wait ... those require firmware still .. |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | so, yeah, intel |
| 01:55.17 | linu | abrotman, somiaj: ahh yes I hear the very latest haswell intel approaches a low end nvidia too so that could be a good one |
| 01:55.20 | linu | yeah so intel |
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| 01:55.32 | linu | even openbsd is writing open KMS for intel |
| 01:55.47 | Myconix | KMS? |
| 01:55.53 | somiaj | they do 3d okay, but if you use wine you may run across issues. |
| 01:55.57 | nonconvergent | kernel mode setting |
| 01:55.59 | linu | kernel mode setting GPU drivers Myconix |
| 01:56.17 | Myconix | whatever happened to that being "a mess of firmware" |
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| 01:56.59 | somiaj | Myconix: what do you mean? |
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| 01:57.17 | Myconix | it was in one of the openbsd mailing boards |
| 01:57.24 | Myconix | sigh, oh well |
| 01:57.36 | Myconix | openbsd is the arch linux of bsd |
| 01:57.37 | linu | i suppose then the question is, which is the most powerful intel GPU that is supported using wheezy and wheezy-backports without non-free ? |
| 01:57.39 | linu | lol |
| 01:57.42 | Myconix | meaning they just don't give a fuck |
| 01:57.45 | linu | i find openbsd easy to use |
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| 01:58.03 | Myconix | anyway, any recommendations for an xfce menu editor? |
| 01:58.05 | mayhew | linu: Intel HD 4600 GPU found in the Haswell processors |
| 01:58.08 | somiaj | linu: I would be surprised if the top end one didn't work with backports |
| 01:58.09 | linu | i will google if wheezy supports the GT3e |
| 01:58.13 | linu | ahh thanks mayday, the |
| 01:58.20 | Myconix | i've tried lxmed and alacarte, both with minimal success |
| 01:58.21 | linu | ahh thanks mayday, the HD4600 but not the GT3e for wheezy ? |
| 01:58.33 | mayhew | GT3e? |
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| 01:59.08 | linu | mayhew: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/VR-Zone-iGPU-Intel-HD-Graphics,22353.html |
| 01:59.19 | linu | a haswell 5200 gt3e |
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| 02:00.43 | nonconvergent | Where would I tell and X session where to set resolution with xrandr? |
| 02:01.29 | somiaj | what do you mean? Do you want to change the default that boot up |
| 02:01.33 | mayhew | linu: are those even out yet? |
| 02:01.49 | somiaj | you can just xrandr from a console if you want it on the fly, but if you want the defaults, that is done in the xorg.conf file |
| 02:01.59 | somiaj | (I guess you could run xrandr as you load x, but I would set it correctly) |
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| 02:04.30 | nonconvergent | dpkg: backports |
| 02:04.30 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 02:06.22 | linu | mayhew: ahh oops no |
| 02:06.35 | dodddummy | doesn't arandr save as work for that? |
| 02:06.54 | linu | mayday: yeah you're right lol the 4600 is the highest one actually out. And that is fully supported in wheezy + wheezy-backports only (not sid or jessie etc) without any non-free ? |
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| 02:07.50 | mayhew | linu: yeah, you can get a 3.10 kernel in wheezy backports, should be fine |
| 02:07.54 | Gargantua | Why is it that whenever I delete this (225 gb) ntfs partition in wheezy's graphical installer, create, say, a 50gb partition, it says that there's a 50gb primary partition and a 175gb "unusuable" space |
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| 02:08.56 | linu | mayhew: excellent thanks |
| 02:09.23 | nonconvergent | Gargantua: Because that space has no partition on it. |
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| 02:09.33 | Gargantua | Well I want to create one on it but it wont let me. |
| 02:09.43 | Gargantua | Hence why it it's unusable, it's not a misnomer. |
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| 02:13.42 | Gargantua | Fuck it I just made it automatically partition the space. |
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| 02:22.06 | linu | mayday: im assuming with the 3.10 wheezy-backports kernel the 4600 will accelerate 1080p videos etc in vlc/totem/etc ? |
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| 02:25.04 | mayhew | linu: easily, I'm running that same setup (4600 and 3.10) and it works great |
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| 02:25.55 | mayhew | I'm using Fedora 19 on this system, but I don't think it would matter. |
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| 02:26.42 | somiaj | only issue I could think of is version of the xorg intel drivers, since that is only the kernel drivers. But I think that is all that is needed for intel |
| 02:27.01 | linu | mayhew: awesome. then i guess i wonder how it would work for games too hmm |
| 02:27.10 | linu | somiaj: i presume X would need drivers too |
| 02:27.49 | somiaj | linu: the ones in wheezy should work, provided the kernel driver can detect the card which sounds like it does in 3.10 |
| 02:27.49 | phogg | I'm trying some trivial debtags searching via aptitude but I get nothing back. Do I need to build a search index somehow? |
| 02:28.10 | mayhew | linu: I've played some games with this computer (HL2, CSS, etc, both ran with 150 FPS average on default settings). |
| 02:28.10 | somiaj | phogg: what are you trying to search for? Not sure if all packages have debtags |
| 02:28.36 | phogg | somiaj: I'm pretty sure at least one has "use::editing", especially since I pulled it straight from the package info |
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| 02:30.16 | ebot1 | does anyone know where i can get the BLKID command |
| 02:31.06 | dvs | ebot1: util-linux |
| 02:31.42 | linu | mayhew: sounds excellent! |
| 02:31.43 | ebot1 | ah i thought it was in udev but apparently not |
| 02:31.48 | ebot1 | tahnks dvs |
| 02:31.56 | dvs | no prob |
| 02:33.05 | ebot1 | oh sorry its already on machine ..i need sudo to use it |
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| 02:34.54 | somiaj | phogg: yea I'm not getting any returns either with aptitude, wonder if you ahve to use debtags |
| 02:35.38 | phogg | somiaj: might be, but I recall once upon a time this worked |
| 02:35.44 | phogg | something to look in to tomorrow |
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| 02:36.22 | themill | phogg: do you have debtags installed? |
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| 02:37.02 | somiaj | phogg: it should, the manual does say it searches debtags, but I'm getting no results via aptitude. the debtags search suggest using a gui program 'pacakgesearch' but maybe themill has it and you need debtags installed to search them even with aptitude |
| 02:37.02 | phogg | themill: aha, apparently not |
| 02:37.22 | themill | (you may find axi-cache search is even better for such searches than aptitude) |
| 02:37.32 | phogg | axi-cache? Not familiar |
| 02:37.38 | themill | !axi-cache |
| 02:37.39 | dpkg | well, axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>. |
| 02:37.59 | phogg | mostly I use apt-cache search, but that does sound nice |
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| 02:38.14 | themill | tab completion for search suggestions is very funky |
| 02:38.28 | phogg | ugh, python... |
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| 02:38.43 | comonesa | hey; does Wheezy ignore '/etc/apt/apt.conf'? |
| 02:38.48 | themill | no |
| 02:39.07 | comonesa | but the same file that I had on Squeeze doesn't work there |
| 02:39.09 | somiaj | comonesa: do you have something in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ overwritting your seting |
| 02:39.22 | themill | comonesa: perhaps you could be more precise |
| 02:39.47 | comonesa | somiaj: you got it!!!! thanks; solved |
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| 02:41.56 | comonesa | wait.. do they conflict each other? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uHRYHe5q |
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| 02:43.14 | comonesa | what I see there is that aptitude doesn't remount tmp with exec |
| 02:43.53 | somiaj | I belive the second setting will overwrite the first. |
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| 02:44.38 | themill | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs is a list -- defining it again should add to it |
| 02:44.38 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 02:44.43 | themill | dpkg: shush |
| 02:44.44 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 02:45.13 | andrej | How can I send a log-line to both a local file and a remote machine using rsyslog 5.8.6? |
| 02:45.18 | comonesa | well; any ideeas? it doesn't work |
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| 02:45.33 | andrej | I have managed to isolate freeradius messages |
| 02:45.36 | themill | comonesa: I've always used DPkg::Pre-Invoke for the remount |
| 02:45.44 | comonesa | themill: i try |
| 02:46.02 | andrej | Writing them to a local file successfully ... I'd like to send the same lines to a splunk instance. |
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| 02:47.09 | comonesa | same |
| 02:47.23 | themill | you've not actually told us what that is |
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| 02:47.57 | abrotman | andrej: AIUI, you can tell the splunk forwarder to watch any file |
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| 02:48.47 | comonesa | i'm not sure it doesn't work |
| 02:48.57 | comonesa | is that i get a "fopen: permission denied" while i use aptitude |
| 02:49.03 | themill | what is "it" and what isn't working? |
| 02:49.07 | andrej | abrotman :oh ... so rather than forwarding all rsyslog messages to the splunk server there's a component of splunk I should install on my radius machines? |
| 02:49.22 | comonesa | the remount of /tmp with exec while using aptitude |
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| 02:49.36 | abrotman | andrej: the universal forwarder can be told to tail/watch any file (there is a #splunk (mostly quiet) on freenode) |
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| 02:50.10 | comonesa | example: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ga6LxmRj ; as you see there is a "fopen: permission denied" |
| 02:50.51 | themill | Does it go away if you remount /tmp prior to starting the apt run? |
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| 02:51.32 | themill | (and disable those DPkg::Pre/Post-Invoke configuration options) |
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| 02:51.53 | comonesa | I figured out; /var/man/cache wrong permission |
| 02:52.18 | comonesa | nope.. it doens't work anyway |
| 02:54.30 | comonesa | oh, I get the same issue if i remount tmp manually |
| 02:55.40 | andrej | thanks abrotman ... I'll give that a try; even though a modification of rsyslog would appear to be quicker/easier than installing an extra piece of software on a bunch of boxes. |
| 02:56.35 | comonesa | wait, /var/cache/man is a directory; 'chown -R man:root /var/cache/man actually' solved |
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| 03:01.17 | comonesa | is there any script to restore the correct permission on /? |
| 03:02.08 | themill | why are they wrong? |
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| 03:02.49 | comonesa | i debootstraped that system |
| 03:03.11 | comonesa | but actually i saw that /var/cache/man was owned by "proxy" instead of "man" |
| 03:03.50 | themill | did you debootstrap from a debian system? |
| 03:04.05 | comonesa | i used debootstrap on a vm |
| 03:04.17 | comonesa | then used rsync to copy stuff |
| 03:04.27 | comonesa | debian is on vm |
| 03:05.04 | themill | and at some stage you changed the ownership of $chroot/var/cache/man? |
| 03:05.16 | comonesa | nope |
| 03:05.23 | comonesa | the current system is not Debian |
| 03:05.26 | comonesa | Debian is on the vm |
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| 03:05.34 | themill | is completely lost |
| 03:05.42 | comonesa | i rewrite |
| 03:06.22 | comonesa | i used deboostrap on a vm with Debian; with rsync+ssh I cloned the directory on an external storage actually on the real machine that is not running Debian |
| 03:06.52 | themill | did you use rsync --numeric-ids? |
| 03:07.00 | comonesa | nope? |
| 03:07.13 | comonesa | i used -aA |
| 03:07.34 | Gargantua | so the netinstall is telling me I'm missing a firmware file (rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw) |
| 03:07.58 | themill | comonesa: so gid 12 (man) in the VM got turned into gid 13 (man) on the new host system. But inside the chroot, it should still be gid 12 not 13. |
| 03:08.06 | Gargantua | do I just burn the firmware-realtek package onto a cd and use that or something? |
| 03:08.37 | themill | Gargantua: you can put the firmware-realtek package on a usb stick and the installer will find it |
| 03:08.40 | themill | dpkg: tell Gargantua about installer firmware |
| 03:08.55 | comonesa | themill: i don't really get what you said but... what can i do to fix? |
| 03:08.56 | Gargantua | oh ok that seems simple enough |
| 03:09.46 | comonesa | I'm trying to deboostrap Debian and copy it on an usb drive |
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| 03:10.08 | comonesa | probably -Aa on rsync are not enough to do that right |
| 03:10.13 | themill | comonesa: run "id man" inside your original debian-running VM and on the system you copied it to. |
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| 03:10.59 | comonesa | they are different themill |
| 03:11.12 | themill | indeeed |
| 03:11.23 | comonesa | so what i should do? |
| 03:12.00 | themill | you could try rsyncing again but telling it to copy with numeric ids not names. Or just run debootstrap from your host machine |
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| 03:15.39 | comonesa | what debootstrap use by default? names or id of the running machine? |
| 03:15.49 | comonesa | i hope it use id.... |
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| 03:16.12 | comonesa | or i think it's hard to get a clean system |
| 03:16.26 | Gargantua | themill: do i need to have all the other files on the stick removed |
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| 03:16.47 | Gargantua | its not finding it |
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| 03:18.45 | themill | comonesa: debian has a a list of pre-allocated user and group IDs that are used in the base system. Any other packages request a new user/group id as needed but that's all done within the debian system/guest/chroot/machine. |
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| 03:19.43 | themill | Gargantua: just having the firmware-realtek*.deb in the root dir of the usb stick should be enough |
| 03:19.45 | comonesa | well; if I install stuff under chroot I should get the right numbers |
| 03:19.54 | themill | yes |
| 03:19.55 | comonesa | I just need to rsync better |
| 03:20.01 | comonesa | thanks themill |
| 03:20.51 | nonconvergent | What's PREEMPT_RT? |
| 03:21.15 | nonconvergent | Ah, nevermind. I got it now. |
| 03:21.31 | Gargantua | themill: how can i tell if the usb connection is working or if its something else |
| 03:21.32 | nonconvergent | Had to sift through threads criticizing it to actually find it. |
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| 03:28.38 | Gargantua | themill: help me out! |
| 03:29.29 | virusuy__ | Gargantua: if you run lsusb from command line, do you see your device listed there ? |
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| 03:30.58 | Gargantua | virusuy__: how do I get to that from the installer boot menu |
| 03:31.12 | virusuy__ | oh |
| 03:31.32 | Gargantua | ? |
| 03:31.38 | virusuy__ | good question |
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| 03:32.43 | Gargantua | is it ok if the device is FAT16? |
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| 03:36.39 | linu | i dunno |
| 03:36.42 | linu | fat16 sucks though |
| 03:36.47 | linu | whats it for ? |
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| 03:37.28 | Gargantua | virusuy__: i got a busybox sh |
| 03:37.32 | Gargantua | lsusb not found |
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| 03:46.00 | tuxy | anybody having problems with the jessie repos? |
| 03:46.06 | tuxy | 404 Not Found errors? |
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| 03:49.33 | nonconvergent | tuxy: Try a different mirror. |
| 03:49.59 | tuxy | nonconvergent, im using ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 03:50.41 | tuxy | oh wait nonconvergent |
| 03:50.44 | tuxy | I see my problem |
| 03:50.56 | tuxy | oops I didn't end the servers with /debian/ |
| 03:51.28 | nonconvergent | THat'd do it. |
| 03:51.50 | tuxy | heh damn |
| 03:51.52 | tuxy | took me a while |
| 03:52.15 | nonconvergent | I'm getting the bpo kernel. Anything else I need to grab while I'm at it? |
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| 03:52.28 | nonconvergent | my first time with backports. |
| 03:52.31 | elkingrey | I am running debian with no non-free software. I have a DVI port on my graphics card. I have a DVI port on my television. How do I get my television to play what's on my computer screen? Or, should I say, how do I get my tv to receive the output? |
| 03:52.52 | somiaj | nonconvergent: only get things as you need them. You may need some firmware packages to go with your kernel |
| 03:53.10 | nonconvergent | elkingrey: take a look at the output from xrandr |
| 03:53.21 | nonconvergent | While everything is plugged in and on. |
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| 03:53.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | When I start up a terminal window, and login and switch to su, how can I run a command as another user? I need to run "minidlna -R" as user=minidlna. |
| 03:54.18 | nonconvergent | LinuxGuy2020: su -c |
| 03:54.19 | _p0g0_ | su - minidlna |
| 03:54.21 | somiaj | LinuxGuy2020: su -c "command" username |
| 03:54.26 | nonconvergent | LinuxGuy2020: Read the man page. |
| 03:55.09 | nonconvergent | the s and u in su does NOT stand for superuser |
| 03:55.11 | LinuxGuy2020 | somiaj: thank you |
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| 03:55.28 | nonconvergent | ...well, the u stands for user. |
| 03:55.42 | nonconvergent | somiaj: How will I know? |
| 03:56.00 | nonconvergent | ~if he really loves me~ |
| 03:56.03 | nonconvergent | :P |
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| 03:56.51 | nonconvergent | Sorry, the graph network that is my brain is full of an entire decade of MTV and VH1. |
| 03:56.54 | somiaj | nonconvergent: depends of course. depends on your hardware, and what you need from backports |
| 03:57.24 | somiaj | nonconvergent: basically use backports when the version in wheezy is missing a feature you need. (sometimes you may have to make your own backports if they are not made in that case) |
| 03:58.27 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Well, I know I'm going to want kernel 3.10, I already have the firmware-ralink, and I'll want nvidia from non-free. |
| 03:58.54 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you will want the firmware from backports as well |
| 03:59.03 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 03:59.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
| 03:59.43 | somiaj | nonconvergent: it seems the nvidia drivers haven't been backported yet. They may one day backport a verrssion |
| 04:00.10 | nonconvergent | Not seeing a firmware-ralink bpo either. |
| 04:00.28 | nonconvergent | ,v firmware-ralink |
| 04:00.29 | judd | Package: firmware-ralink on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.39~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40 |
| 04:00.53 | somiaj | nonconvergent: its there, just in non-free on wheezy-backports |
| 04:00.56 | nonconvergent | Oh sure, go ahead and make a liar out of me. |
| 04:01.09 | nonconvergent | I was using aptitude to search |
| 04:01.10 | somiaj | the firmware packages are made with the kernel, just spit off and put into non-free |
| 04:01.24 | somiaj | might not have non-free enabled on backports on your system? |
| 04:02.09 | nonconvergent | wheezy-backports main non-free contrib |
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| 04:03.24 | ebot1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.45 | ebot1 | its fine i can access everything ...but if i want access from command line then i have problems |
| 04:04.01 | ebot1 | because some of the filenames have spaces in them |
| 04:04.01 | somiaj | nonconvergent: one quick way to see what versions you have installalbe |
| 04:04.09 | somiaj | nonconvergent: apt-cache policy firmware-ralink |
| 04:04.24 | ebot1 | is there any way to fill in the gaps with something |
| 04:04.28 | somiaj | ebot1: use tab completion, or escape out the spaces |
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| 04:04.34 | somiaj | ebot1: ls My\ Documents |
| 04:05.05 | ebot1 | thanks somiaj but ill try the escape thing but tabbed completion wont work |
| 04:05.37 | somiaj | ebot1: it should, it will put the escape (\) string before the spaces, works fine here at least. |
| 04:05.50 | ebot1 | i tried inserting /004 for spaces and that doesnt work either |
| 04:06.02 | ebot1 | oh i think i put forward slash |
| 04:06.05 | ebot1 | cool |
| 04:06.14 | somiaj | you can also put the name in quotes |
| 04:06.19 | somiaj | ls "My Documents" should work |
| 04:06.23 | somiaj | or cd "My Documents" |
| 04:06.38 | ebot1 | wow i didnt think about it..your a saviour |
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| 04:06.52 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/33522/ |
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| 04:07.31 | somiaj | nonconvergent: have you ran apt-get update since you added the wheezy-backports to your sources.list |
| 04:07.36 | nonconvergent | Yes. |
| 04:07.40 | ebot1 | right i have 3 machines .....and i am now officially 100 percent linux..the transition is complete |
| 04:07.49 | nonconvergent | Just did it just to make sure. |
| 04:07.54 | ebot1 | 100 percent wimdows free |
| 04:09.39 | somiaj | nonconvergent: oh duh, I'm blind, yea the version from backports is in the list you pasted |
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| 04:10.06 | somiaj | ebot1: yea need someway to identify a single vs multiple items, space is the default so you have to do special things |
| 04:10.41 | somiaj | ebot1: I avoid spaces now and use _ instead, use at your own risk. 'rename 's/ /_/g' filelist -- that will switch all spaces to underscores in a list of file names |
| 04:10.54 | bullgard4 | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=if-up.d&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any: "You have searched for paths that end with if-up.d in suite wheezy, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results" -- Was my search unreasonable? |
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| 04:12.09 | ebot1 | yes somiaj im using the - myself |
| 04:12.21 | somiaj | bullgard4: yes, because if-up.d is a directory so the path would end in if-up.d/ |
| 04:12.33 | nonconvergent | Ah, now I get it. |
| 04:12.44 | ebot1 | hey yes...i can write a bash script to do it |
| 04:12.48 | ebot1 | great idea |
| 04:13.29 | nonconvergent | The ones that have unique package names, like kernel versions, are going to be introduced on their own. But I have to intentionally tell it to pull from the backports. |
| 04:13.44 | nonconvergent | Still, there must be a way to search backports instead of just asking judd? |
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| 04:14.21 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yes by default backports will never be considered unless you explicty ask for them. This way you can have the repo enabled and run 'apt-get upgrade' without pulling in backports for every package you have installed |
| 04:14.39 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I tried with aptitude search, let me try to fine tune my command |
| 04:15.02 | nonconvergent | I just like the output of aptitude search over apt-cache policy |
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| 04:15.32 | somiaj | nonconvergent: aptitude search ~Awheezy-backports will search all packages from wheezy-backports |
| 04:16.35 | bullgard4 | somiaj: So http://packages.debian.org/ can only find packages that install files and not packages that install directories? |
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| 04:17.10 | somiaj | nonconvergent: aptitude search ~Awheezy-backports~nfirmware |
| 04:17.30 | somiaj | bullgard4: no it is just paths do not in in if-up.d/ |
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| 04:20.03 | somiaj | bullgard4: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openresolv/filelist -- notice how now path ends in if-up.d, you need contains, but surprised that didn't work either. |
| 04:20.59 | somiaj | hmm might be p.d.o. search isn't that powerful, might want to get apt-file |
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| 04:24.19 | nonconvergent | So, linux-image, firmware, nvidia, ...headers too...anhythign esle? |
| 04:25.14 | somiaj | I didn't think there was nvidia in backports, but yes that is all you will need for hardware |
| 04:26.06 | nonconvergent | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 04:26.07 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
| 04:26.45 | nonconvergent | 304.88-1+deb7u1 <-- Isn't this it? |
| 04:27.07 | somiaj | nonconvergent: but that is just form wheezy, not wheezy-backports. It will work just fine unless you have a very bleeding edge nvidia |
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| 04:30.54 | matju | trying to upgrade from debian 6 to debian 7, but getting this persistent problem : « E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'php5-cgi'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) » but I can't seem to get Immediate-Configure=0 to work either. |
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| 04:32.01 | themill | dpkg: tell matju about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 04:32.42 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Thank you very much for commenting. |
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| 04:37.45 | nonconvergent | Looks like it breaks initramfs-tools |
| 04:38.14 | themill | nonconvergent: there's an updated initramfs-tools in wheezy-backports too |
| 04:38.27 | nonconvergent | "Breaks: initiramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is installed" |
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| 04:40.25 | matju | themill: thanks |
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| 04:42.42 | nonconvergent | Huh. |
| 04:43.20 | nonconvergent | It exited with something weird. "Current status: 39 updates [-2]." |
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| 04:44.01 | nonconvergent | After complaing about some missing firmware. Probably the firmware for my annoying realtek nic that I'm not using and works fine regardless, but it likes to nag about it. |
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| 04:45.27 | themill | nonconvergent: when you use -t wheezy-backports, you're temporarily changing your apt pinning to prefer wheezy-backports. aptitude is (reasonably) telling you that there are 39 further updates to apply for the current pinning... it's just that you don't want to upgrade everything you've got to backports. |
| 04:45.39 | themill | nonconvergent: the -2 is because it is 2 less than at the start of the action |
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| 04:50.47 | linu | themill, what about apt-get install packackge/wheezy-backports ? |
| 04:51.11 | themill | linu: that's the same as package=version |
| 04:53.13 | themill | (although the specific behaviour of that package/release syntax has changed between squeeze and wheezy) |
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| 05:09.27 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Heyo :P |
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| 05:12.08 | ntzrmtthihu777 | I've been using *buntu for about the past 2 years, just made the switch from backtrack (*buntu based) to kali (debian based), and I must say I rather like it. Especially the lack of uber-stupid dependencies attached to stuff (zeitgeist for gedit, for example). Would I find the change from *buntu to debian similarly liberating? |
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| 05:13.22 | psnider85 | ntzrmtthihu777, Yes you would, but do you know what is even more liberating? Try LFS, compile everything by hand! |
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| 05:13.35 | ntzrmtthihu777 | lfs? linux from scratch? |
| 05:13.46 | psnider85 | Yep! |
| 05:14.11 | themill | the only thing that liberates is COâ‚‚ |
| 05:14.46 | jelly-home | that might have been a snide remark |
| 05:14.54 | ntzrmtthihu777 | idk. I'm not scared of compiling from scratch, done it multiple times for some packages that the repo's versions suck for, but an entire os from the ground up? |
| 05:15.07 | psnider85 | Kernel compiling is fun for the whole family. |
| 05:15.32 | ntzrmtthihu777 | lol. build in them modules you need from the get go, lol. |
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| 05:16.54 | ntzrmtthihu777 | personally I'm rather dissapointed with the lack of an octal notation flag in ls. I ended up getting myself a perl wrapper for it that does it, very nice. |
| 05:17.00 | hanasaki | where do you set the theme in gnome 3? |
| 05:17.16 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: gnome-tweak-tool is nice. |
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| 05:23.54 | hanasaki | how do you get thunderbird into iceweasal |
| 05:23.57 | hanasaki | migrating configs |
| 05:24.14 | themill | perhaps you mean icedove? |
| 05:24.29 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: erm, thunderbird to iceweasel? aren't they totally different classes of programs? |
| 05:25.00 | hanasaki | icedove |
| 05:25.01 | hanasaki | sorry |
| 05:25.39 | ntzrmtthihu777 | lol. I don't use thunderbird, I use mailx XD |
| 05:25.47 | tux_ | how come the debian-lxde iso is about 700MB while the Slitaz-lxde iso is only 30MB? |
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| 05:26.52 | themill | tux_: an iso image that small is only a kernel and a script to fetch more packages from a server |
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| 05:27.59 | ntzrmtthihu777 | themill: yeah, like an ubuntu mini.iso |
| 05:28.10 | hanasaki | how do you turn off the names list chooser in gdm? |
| 05:28.18 | nonconvergent | hanasaki: how do you what about them? You're missing a verb. |
| 05:28.21 | foss | i installed a package, but the notices and output from aptitude scrolled off the screen. is there a way to find out what that stuff said? |
| 05:28.37 | ntzrmtthihu777 | foss: scroll up. |
| 05:28.39 | nonconvergent | Icedove IS Thunderbird, built up from the source without the branding. |
| 05:28.55 | ntzrmtthihu777 | nonconvergent: like iceweasel is firefox? |
| 05:28.57 | foss | nonconvergent: it was a vt and i switched vts so there is no scrollback |
| 05:29.17 | foss | ntzrmtthihu777: ^ |
| 05:29.23 | nonconvergent | ntzrmtthihu777: exactly. |
| 05:29.29 | ntzrmtthihu777 | foss: sounds like a bad move. I cant do without scrollback. |
| 05:29.48 | tux_ | themill, Slitaz functional without any other packages, it has Midori web browser which is the main thing people use their computers for, browser the web |
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| 05:30.05 | foss | ntzrmtthihu777: i did not design the virtual terminals :) from now on i will use gnus creen or something, but the question is whether aptitude leaves any logs or something. |
| 05:30.09 | themill | tux_: it's not an lxde installer then. |
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| 05:30.29 | nonconvergent | iceweasel, icedove, and iceape are each built from their respective Mozilla sources. |
| 05:31.19 | nonconvergent | If you want to know WHY, well, you have a nigh infinite amount of information at your finger tips that doesn't get as cranky as I do before bed. |
| 05:31.56 | tux_ | does iceweasel have the default settings of firefox like keywords, safe browsing, geo-location... etc which all send data to Google? |
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| 05:32.36 | nonconvergent | tux_: Do you have any tinfoil? |
| 05:32.37 | ntzrmtthihu777 | tux_: almost the exact same thing. I switched to firefox, and all my stuff was already there :P |
| 05:32.42 | nonconvergent | See, cranky. |
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| 05:33.13 | hanasaki | why run iceape and not iceweasel + icedove? |
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| 05:33.39 | ntzrmtthihu777 | tux_: http://www.danasoft.com/sig/TheNetZ777.jpg your info is never secure. |
| 05:33.45 | hanasaki | hmmm gnome3... not much available to configure like in gnome2 |
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| 05:34.58 | tux_ | nonconvergent, when you type something on the iceweasel address bar, which search engine does it use? |
| 05:35.30 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: gnome-tweak-tool very nice. I don't know what you're aiming for, though. |
| 05:35.30 | nonconvergent | tux_: Whatever you tell it to use. But yes, the default is google. If you don't like it, change it. |
| 05:35.51 | hanasaki | ntzrmtthihu777: installing themes and customizable panels like gnome2 |
| 05:36.18 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: ah, I know your problem. are you using gnome-panel or gnome-shell? |
| 05:36.31 | tux_ | yeah, type "about:config" on the address bar and search for keyword and change it to something like StartPage.com or DuckDuckGo.com |
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| 05:36.48 | nonconvergent | It's a setting, not hardcoded. And even then, it's not a like Google can collect anything more than header metadata and IP if you don't login. trackers still apply as well. |
| 05:37.11 | tux_ | also, turn on the geo-location tracking which targets ads to you and such |
| 05:37.14 | tux_ | off* |
| 05:37.31 | themill | tux_: why are you asking the question and also answering it? |
| 05:37.37 | tux_ | ntzrmtthihu777, this will help http://www.leavegooglebehind.com/how-tos/how-to-eradicate-google-from-firefox/ |
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| 05:38.06 | nonconvergent | Or turn it on if you like advertisements that are actually useful. Frankly, I'd rather have ads for stuck locally if I'm gonna have them at all. |
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| 05:38.37 | bullgard4 | What is a _static_ (network) interface? /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate: " The idea is that if a static interface is brought up, that is a major event, and we can put in some extra effort to fix the system time." |
| 05:38.38 | nonconvergent | Not to mention location awareness web apps like map programs. |
| 05:39.07 | hanasaki | ntzrmtthihu777: gnomepanel was gnome2 I think.. I am gnome3 wheezy |
| 05:39.14 | tux_ | google pays firefox $400 million a year to data mine your behavior when using firefox |
| 05:39.16 | ntzrmtthihu777 | tux_: don't knwowhy you're sending me that. I'm not a google paranoiac. Now, on other subjects I am. |
| 05:39.36 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: I use gnome-panel, its almost the same as gnome2 |
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| 05:40.12 | hanasaki | how |
| 05:40.36 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: apt-get install gnome-panel, or gnome-session-fallback |
| 05:40.37 | themill | bullgard4: see interfaces(5), which also documents the interface to if-hook scripts. Note that you should use ntp not ntpdate. |
| 05:41.01 | ntzrmtthihu777 | damn I'm not used to this tiny keyboard yet =_= |
| 05:41.25 | hanasaki | ntzrmtthihu777: si that a regression? only availabe for some time? |
| 05:41.49 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: not sure. It works for me, however. |
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| 05:42.58 | hanasaki | maybe I will look at xfce lxde and kde |
| 05:43.48 | hanasaki | how can I set the apt sources to the fastest mirror? |
| 05:43.59 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: xfce is pretty good. I like debian with gnome-panel, though. |
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| 05:44.38 | hanasaki | ntzrmtthihu777: if I install it does it uninstall the shell? |
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| 05:49.18 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: nope. but you can if you want. |
| 05:49.27 | hanasaki | how do you control which one runs? |
| 05:50.04 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: one warning. you need to use alt when you right click the panel to customize it. You chose at the gdm login screen. |
| 05:51.58 | ntzrmtthihu777 | hanasaki: and if you want to enable compositing without dragging in compiz run metacity --replace -c |
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| 05:54.11 | nonconvergent | Hmm, I always for get what the first thing I need to install after enabling multiarch is. I've got a 32bit application on an amd64bit machine, and I lack even whatever it is to convince ldd that it's not "not a dynamic executable" |
| 05:55.47 | ebot1 | im doing aptitude update and getting a lot of hit http://xyz err file not found and at the end it says some index files failed to download... |
| 05:55.56 | ebot1 | then couldnt rebuild package cache |
| 05:56.07 | ebot1 | is this serious ? |
| 05:56.35 | bullgard4 | themill: Thank you. What is the reason to not using ntpdate? (Xubuntu 12.04.2 does install it by default.) Because ntpdate is going to be discontinued? |
| 05:56.44 | nonconvergent | Make sure your mirrors in you sources.list are correct and try a different mirror. |
| 05:57.05 | ebot1 | ok |
| 05:57.07 | nonconvergent | Mirrors go unresponsive sometimes when they update alot. |
| 05:57.16 | ebot1 | ah i see |
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| 05:57.25 | ebot1 | yes its all http stuff |
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| 05:57.55 | nonconvergent | Georgia Tech's in particular has proven quite a nuisance. I may throw a rock at them, as they are withing rock throwing distance. |
| 05:57.59 | ntzrmtthihu777 | can someone give me an example of a .list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ from a ppa? |
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| 05:58.30 | ebot1 | probably wrong time to ask but i installed netbeans to develop a professional website and it kept locking up so i had to purge it |
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| 05:58.47 | ebot1 | can anyone advise another good web development tool that might work |
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| 05:59.01 | nonconvergent | ntzrmtthihu777: It looks exactly like any other deb or deb-src line in sources.list...also Debian doesn't support ppas. That's ubuntu. |
| 05:59.15 | ebot1 | i liked netbeans as you could view the website |
| 05:59.31 | fragtastic | ebot1, i believe eclipse supports webdev |
| 05:59.59 | ebot1 | yes i have looked at eclipse...but it seems a bit bulky and there were a lot of complaint about it online |
| 06:00.14 | ebot1 | im looking for someting a bit thinner ......please dont say notepad |
| 06:00.22 | ntzrmtthihu777 | nonconvergent: then why do the repos have python-software-properties or whatever its called? |
| 06:00.44 | fragtastic | what about notepad++? :P really though aside from eclipse i would recommend netbeans, but that seems to be a problem |
| 06:00.49 | ebot1 | but i may try the eclipse fragtastic |
| 06:00.56 | nonconvergent | ebot1: It's not really debian related. Any wysiwyg will get you where you need to go. |
| 06:01.00 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: I use eclipse, and I will agree its pretty heavy, but its damned powerful. |
| 06:01.06 | fragtastic | i would suggest eclipse, i haven't had any problems with it |
| 06:01.15 | nonconvergent | ntzrmtthihu777: I don't what you're talking about. |
| 06:01.35 | ebot1 | do you do quite professional development ntzrmtthihu777 |
| 06:01.38 | ntzrmtthihu777 | nonconvergent: its the package that adds add-apt-repository... |
| 06:01.50 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: nope, lol. |
| 06:01.58 | ebot1 | ha ha |
| 06:02.13 | fragtastic | got a problem here my self, i can't for the life of me manage to mount my ipod, at least in anyway where it's not readonly |
| 06:02.21 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: I mod minecraft with it, lol. about it XD |
| 06:02.31 | ebot1 | cool |
| 06:02.49 | ebot1 | the real pros use just a text editor |
| 06:02.55 | ebot1 | and photoshop |
| 06:02.58 | ntzrmtthihu777 | fragtastic: I recal a gtk-pod packge for ubuntu, but as I've stayed away from the scourge that is apple I've no need for it. |
| 06:03.11 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: no, real programmers use butterflies. |
| 06:03.25 | fragtastic | ive installed pretty much every package and fs package |
| 06:03.28 | ebot1 | butterflies right ill look it up |
| 06:03.42 | fragtastic | it mounts as read only |
| 06:03.44 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 06:03.55 | nonconvergent | There are other apt repositories out there, but ppas are ubuntu. There have been efforts to bring them to debian with more support than now, but none successful to my knowledge and for very good reasons. |
| 06:03.55 | ebot1 | thanks |
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| 06:05.15 | ebot1 | ha ha |
| 06:05.18 | ebot1 | you got me there |
| 06:05.24 | nonconvergent | A ppa is just another way for you to diverge from your release in a nearly infinite number of ways that make it impossible to support. |
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| 06:11.28 | ntzrmtthihu777 | I really hate release elitism. its stupid as hell, and quite frankly pointless. |
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| 06:16.12 | fragtastic | ive got an entry for the device in fstab with rw yet it still mounts ro |
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| 06:21.17 | ntzrmtthihu777 | fragtastic: what device? |
| 06:21.43 | fragtastic | ipod nano video 4g? 8gb |
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| 06:22.08 | ntzrmtthihu777 | fragtastic: ah. chalk it up to crapple boning you. I could have a look... |
| 06:22.33 | fragtastic | ID 05ac:1263 Apple, Inc. iPod Nano 4.Gen |
| 06:23.54 | fragtastic | i managed to mount -o rw remount so i can use sudo to make folders/files on it |
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| 06:25.39 | ntzrmtthihu777 | fragtastic: you can set it to where a normal user can mount it. |
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| 06:26.55 | fragtastic | ntzrmtthihu777, that's what im trying to do |
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| 06:29.43 | fragtastic | fstab entry for it: /dev/sdb1 /media/mitch/IPOD vfat rw,user,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
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| 06:32.13 | ntzrmtthihu777 | fragtastic: I'm away from my machine with the relevant fstab entries, however. I think you can add yourself to fuser |
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| 06:33.06 | fragtastic | im in the fuse group |
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| 06:33.48 | ikarus_ | So, anyone yet managed to shoe horn a full blown debian install (not chroot) on a Asus tf300 "android" device |
| 06:34.45 | ntzrmtthihu777 | would be cool, no? |
| 06:36.10 | ikarus_ | ntzrmtthihu777: it should even be quite doable, both Arch and Ubuntu have ports for it, with Arch having a proper X11 server and Ubuntu nearly having all other devices working |
| 06:36.43 | PoG | can deb run on Arm ? |
| 06:36.50 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ikarus_: yep, but doable and done are often far apart. |
| 06:36.50 | jelly-home | yes, |
| 06:36.53 | somiaj | PoG: there is an arm port, yes |
| 06:36.58 | ntzrmtthihu777 | PoG: yeah, I think raspi has a deb version. |
| 06:37.06 | PoG | of course it does |
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| 06:37.07 | PoG | silly me |
| 06:37.21 | somiaj | ntzrmtthihu777: the arm port of debian is different than raspbain |
| 06:37.28 | ntzrmtthihu777 | PoG: we all have those moments. |
| 06:37.36 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 06:37.36 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:37.44 | fragtastic | got user_allow_other in fuse.conf as well |
| 06:37.53 | PoG | ntzrmtthihu777, i have a raspi on the desk in front of me, with deb on it |
| 06:38.04 | PoG | hopefully thats my stupid moment of the month |
| 06:38.05 | jelly-home | somiaj: _both_ debian arm ports are different than raspbian |
| 06:38.06 | ikarus_ | ntzrmtthihu777: yup, but that just means you can duct-tape a working debian together without too much issues |
| 06:38.10 | ntzrmtthihu777 | PoG: oh wow, that's a huge derp XD |
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| 06:38.50 | PoG | awstats has broken my squeeze server |
| 06:38.50 | ntzrmtthihu777 | !moo |
| 06:38.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 06:38.55 | SATS | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) up: 2wks 5days 2hrs 39mins 42secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (x64) at 3801MHz (15% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1.00GB res: 1920x1080 32bit 60Hz ram: 6525/16344.3MB (39.92%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 61.33GB/119.14GB E:\ 348.61GB/700GB F:\ 269.69GB/1.36TB G:\ 627.02GB/1.14TB H:\ 60.81GB/465.76GB |
| 06:38.56 | SATS | I:\ 33.96GB/1.82TB J:\ 36.01GB/1.82TB K:\ 63.95GB/1.82TB L:\ 89.64GB/1.82TB M:\ 774.41GB/1.82TB N:\ 800.46GB/2.73TB net: Intel[R] 82579V Gigabit Network Connection - 100MB/s 203.68GB In 5.56GB Out |
| 06:38.59 | PoG | on the very day i did NOT need it to break |
| 06:39.00 | PoG | :( |
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| 06:39.14 | ntzrmtthihu777 | XD I knew it had to work XD |
| 06:39.42 | ntzrmtthihu777 | SATS: point being? System: Host kali Kernel 3.7-trunk-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Gnome Distro Kali GNU/Linux 1.0 |
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| 06:39.45 | ntzrmtthihu777 | CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU U9600 (-MCP-) clocked at 1595.944 MHz |
| 06:39.50 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Graphics: Card: Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 06:39.51 | ntzrmtthihu777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.54 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Drives: HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (-) |
| 06:39.56 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Info: Processes 138 Uptime 4:31 Memory 762.2/4928.4MB Client Irssi 0.8.15 inxi 1.8.4 |
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| 06:41.14 | ntzrmtthihu777 | oh crap, did I trigger that? |
| 06:42.14 | PoG | yeah, pld |
| 06:42.27 | ntzrmtthihu777 | does mooing triger that M$ thingus? |
| 06:42.35 | jelly-home | !ops SATS !moo trigger |
| 06:42.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: SATS !moo trigger |
| 06:42.40 | somiaj | PoG: have you attempted running debian on an asus tablet? I have been wanting a tablet or a smart phone, but don't want iOS or andriod. |
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| 06:43.03 | jelly-home | SATS: you really want to disable that in #debian |
| 06:43.04 | PoG | no somiaj, i actually like android on tablet |
| 06:43.30 | somiaj | PoG: I've never really used andriod, but would prefer debian. been avoiding tablets and smart phones for that reason. |
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| 06:43.39 | ntzrmtthihu777 | not trying to cause issue, can someone explain to me what's going on? does SATS have a trigger.pl function for moo or something? |
| 06:43.50 | jelly-home | ntzrmtthihu777: yes. |
| 06:43.57 | PoG | theres nowt wrong with android, especially since 4.1 |
| 06:44.13 | ikarus_ | somiaj: I am actually going to try this |
| 06:44.22 | ikarus_ | somiaj: however the tf300 is an odd beast |
| 06:44.30 | ikarus_ | it has a proper keyboard dock with touchpad and all |
| 06:44.34 | ntzrmtthihu777 | jelly-home: wow. I just use inxi with irssi. pretty cool, though. I thought he was trying to troll a linux channel by rubbing windows in our face. |
| 06:44.38 | ikarus_ | so it makes sense to run a "laptop" OS on it |
| 06:45.03 | ikarus_ | Android actually struggles to make good use of it :) |
| 06:45.31 | jelly-home | ntzrmtthihu777: were that a troll, you'd have been trolled! |
| 06:45.49 | ntzrmtthihu777 | lol |
| 06:46.16 | ntzrmtthihu777 | I'm new to #debian, but since the bot was named dpkg I had to try that XD |
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| 06:47.02 | ikarus_ | PoG: there is a lot of things wrong with Android when you get a device as insane as this one |
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| 06:48.31 | ikarus_ | but I guess I'll take the kernel and Android wrapper enviroment from Ubuntu, the X server and bits and bops from Arch and glue a Debian userland to that all |
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| 06:49.14 | ikarus_ | if anyone else has a tf300 and wants to try to help, go ahead, else I'm just going to see where I'll end up :) |
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| 06:50.40 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 06:50.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 06:50.50 | jelly-home | ... that's better? :-) |
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| 06:51.59 | ntzrmtthihu777 | lol, such a goofy trigger. .... evil thought I have had. |
| 06:52.39 | somiaj | ntzrmtthihu777: you've seen apt-get moo and aptitude moo? |
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| 06:53.12 | ntzrmtthihu777 | somiaj: yeah, apt-get moo, never done aptitude moo |
| 06:53.25 | somiaj | ntzrmtthihu777: add some verbose to it, aptitude -v moo and so forth |
| 06:53.26 | ntzrmtthihu777 | somiaj: also cowsay :P |
| 06:54.12 | ntzrmtthihu777 | somiaj: lol, no easter eggs in this program |
| 06:55.01 | find | Is there any way to log every details of sftp implemented via ssh |
| 06:55.26 | somiaj | ntzrmtthihu777: as I said, keep adding verbose to it, aptitude -vv moo |
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| 06:55.59 | find | I can find only auth log in /var/log/auth.log |
| 06:56.53 | jelly-home | find: read the sftp-server man page for additional parameters |
| 06:56.54 | ntzrmtthihu777 | somiaj: LOL |
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| 06:57.49 | jelly-home | find: those ought to be appended to the sftp-server line in sshd_config and ssh service restarted (or maybe just reloaded) |
| 06:57.59 | ntzrmtthihu777 | I think I'll call it a nite. later all |
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| 07:25.58 | piedpiper | apt-get moo |
| 07:26.27 | piedpiper | damn not in shell lol...let me try that again |
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| 07:54.17 | totalnoob | hi, if i want to multi boot with debian and a few other OSes and i am encrypting each of their / partitions, do i have multiple /boot partitions or one /boot primary partition for all the kernels or do they all have their own /boot? |
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| 07:58.52 | awfabian | totalnoob: you can probably make one /boot work, or multiple /boot partitions. If you're doing multiple /boot partitions, you'll probably be chain-loading from a master bootloader... more details might help clarify (what distribution(s), what bootloader, desired outcome, etc.) |
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| 07:59.20 | totalnoob | probably make it work? does that mean its not recommended or something? |
| 07:59.55 | totalnoob | oh, details, one sec |
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| 08:00.58 | awfabian | totalnoob: well, in theory, two distributions could try to use the exact same filename... this is more likely to happen with ... say, Ubuntu and Debian, and one of the "long term support" kernel releases, say... ::ponders.::... |
| 08:01.15 | totalnoob | distros are debian, opensuse, fedora, and i might put in mandriva or something. the bootloader will probably be grub but i might do syslinux or loli, desired outcome is being able to boot, see the bootloader, then select one of the OSes to boot from (which wiill be encrypted) |
| 08:01.22 | awfabian | eh, you're probably better off just chainloading with multiple /boot partitions |
| 08:01.24 | totalnoob | *lilo |
| 08:01.53 | totalnoob | so how do i chainload, what does it entail? |
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| 08:02.32 | awfabian | totalnoob: It depends. ::ponders.:: The debian installer will typically ask you if you want to install the bootloader in the master boot record, or in the partition... |
| 08:02.51 | awfabian | so, for most of the distributions, you would choose to install the bootloader in the partition... |
| 08:03.06 | awfabian | and you'd probably end up managing/configuring the bootloader in the MBR manually. |
| 08:03.31 | totalnoob | i think it installed to both? or something like that, all i know is /boot had a grub directory but it also said it was installing to the MBR |
| 08:03.34 | roffo | Using libpam-mysql, is it possible to call a stored procedure instead of a select? |
| 08:03.42 | awfabian | It can be done, but it's an uphill battle if you're not too familiar .. you might even be better off installing xen or some kind of hypervisor to avoid all of it. |
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| 08:04.10 | totalnoob | ? |
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| 08:04.16 | totalnoob | was that directed at me or rofo? |
| 08:04.25 | awfabian | totalnoob: it was directed at you. |
| 08:04.45 | totalnoob | oh, so what is an uphill battle? installing to the mbr and boot? |
| 08:05.18 | awfabian | totalnoob: getting the boot process of all of those distributions working together. |
| 08:05.42 | totalnoob | what do you mean working together? i only want to boot one at a time, the one i select with grub |
| 08:05.49 | totalnoob | or whatever bootloader i end up using |
| 08:06.29 | awfabian | totalnoob: Well, they all have to work together on the partition table of a single disk, and you have to get them all bootable from a single bootloader... even if it chainloads... |
| 08:06.35 | awfabian | i mean working together in that sense. |
| 08:07.37 | awfabian | totalnoob: there's more than one way to do it... but... eh, the safest thing to do is probably to try to choose to install the bootloader in the partition in each of the installers when it asks you, and manage the bootloader in the MBR manually, and make it chainload the partition bootloaders. |
| 08:08.26 | totalnoob | so you're saying, have each OS have its own bootloader in its own /boot, but have an extra bootloader in MBR which chooses which /boot's bootloader will run? |
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| 08:10.24 | awfabian | totalnoob: yes. That's probably the most "foolproof" way to do it. Say you don't do that, they all try to share a boot. They all think they own the bootloader, they'll try to overwrite the configuration... if you're carefully, choose lots of advanced install options, keep backup copies of your bootloader configuration, I have no doubt it's possible to get it all working with one /boot and one bootloader, but all of that stuff can be a |
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| 08:10.59 | totalnoob | yeah, then i probably should chainload them |
| 08:11.35 | totalnoob | how do i do that so the only bootloader i "interact" with is the one on the MBR, and the others just start automatically? (i don't want to have to go through a bootloader twice each boot) |
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| 08:13.52 | awfabian | totalnoob: it's really a messy problem. You could configure the chainloaded bootloaders not to prompt you, to choose a default boot option... or... |
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| 08:14.32 | awfabian | you could look at the configuration of the chainloaded bootloaders, and "port" their configurtion up to the MBR bootloader.. but, then, say the distribution changes the partition bootloader... you'll have to manually port your configuration up to the MBR bootloader again. |
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| 08:16.00 | totalnoob | hm, looking on the arch wiki it says syslinux (well, extlinux or whatever it is) has the capability of starting kernels in /boot partitions other than that it was installed in: "hus, if you have another version of Linux on a separate partition, without a shared /boot, it becomes necessary to employ Extlinux. Essentially, Extlinux can be installed on the partition superblock and be called as a separate bootloader from the MBR instal |
| 08:16.15 | totalnoob | *Thus |
| 08:17.58 | awfabian | totalnoob: hmm. I'm more familiar with LILO and GRUB. But, when they say "partition superblock".. that's what I mean, by installing the bootloader in the partition, instead of the master boot record... |
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| 08:18.20 | awfabian | And by chainloading, I mean the bootloader in the MBR just loads another bootloader, the one in the partition superblock. |
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| 08:19.03 | totalnoob | oh, so that would be like, syslinux in each /boot and then a single extlinux to select which syslinux to run? |
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| 08:20.58 | awfabian | totalnoob: from what you pasted, it sounded like the other way around... an extlinux in each partition superblock for /boot, and a syslinux in the MBR |
| 08:21.09 | totalnoob | ah |
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| 08:22.22 | totalnoob | why couldn't something like this be done? http://0bin.net/paste/sO3wKOcyueiyG8G5#Lm0jAQCOw0/x+OvVT7GO/PEXXRQ2EH3i8ysix3jaJA8= |
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| 08:23.09 | totalnoob | with different "append root=/dev/sda[number] rw quiet" for each OS, but only have the first /boot partition contain syslinux? |
| 08:23.13 | awfabian | But, like I said, I'm more familiar with GRUB and LILO. Really, whatever the bootloaders, the concepts to keep in mind are: * partitions can have bootloaders, but so can the MBR. * the MBR bootloader can chainload partition bootloaders (installed in partition superblocks). * bootloaders only have configuration information about what to load from where, so, you can easily look at a bootloader in a partition superblock and configure the |
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| 08:25.38 | totalnoob | oh wait, the root= is not initramfs's root |
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| 08:27.06 | totalnoob | ok so then, how do i chainload like you say? with either grub or ext/sys linux or whatever |
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| 08:28.29 | awfabian | totalnoob: You'll have to look at the documentation for whatever bootloader you install in the MBR of the disk. In fact.... |
| 08:28.49 | awfabian | you could use http://gag.sourceforge.net/ GAG ... and tell every distribution you install to keep its hands off of the MBR... |
| 08:29.09 | awfabian | in the MBR, you'd have GAG, pointing to each /boot partition |
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| 08:30.02 | awfabian | GAG you'd configure manually. |
| 08:30.19 | totalnoob | so then, each /boot partition would or would not have another bootloader in it? |
| 08:31.08 | awfabian | totalnoob: Each /boot partition would have another bootloader if you used GAG. It would be installed in the partition superblock. If you want to avoid going through two bootloaders.... |
| 08:31.32 | totalnoob | but can't syslinux do the same thing then? |
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| 08:33.04 | awfabian | totalnoob: yes. there are many ways to do it. |
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| 08:34.04 | awfabian | totalnoob: so, if you want to use chainloading/ installing bootloaders in partition superblocks, yes, each one has another bootloader. |
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| 08:34.47 | totalnoob | ok, so in summery, i install syslinux (or GAG or whatever) to the MBR, then have it point to each /boot partition which has their own bootloader installed by the OS. that way, when i boot up it will allow me to select which OS i want to boot from. is that about correct? |
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| 08:36.13 | awfabian | totalnoob: yes. that's the most foolproof configuration that will require the least manual intervention. There are still other ways, arguably better, especially if you want to avoid going through two bootloaders, but ... it gets complicated. |
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| 08:37.09 | totalnoob | well the only reason i'm doing this is so i can spend some time trying out some distros so i can find which one is my favorite. if it's too complicated and not too much better then i don't think it's necessary |
| 08:37.57 | awfabian | nothing stops you from having one /boot for all OSes. It just gets harder. Especially with naieve installers that believe they own the disk. And the potential for filename conflicts if two distributions decided to use the same kernel version. Nothing that couldn't be worked around with enough manual intervention. |
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| 08:39.55 | awfabian | but, yeah, just do what you said and I think you'll be fine. syslinux/gag in MBR, each partition with it's own bootloader, pointed to by syslinux/GAG. |
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| 08:40.20 | awfabian | And, when the installers ask you questions about the bootloader, tell them to keep their hands off of the MBR and/or to install in the partition. |
| 08:40.29 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Due to a bizarre raid1 issue joined with a hard disk problem, one machine lost everything on /var/lib. That includes the package databases. Is there a (relatively) clean way to reconstruct that to at least a workable state? |
| 08:41.07 | halt | Hi guys, I just installed the mysql-server and I do not have a root user for it, how and with what type of rights i should add the root user , what's the default ? |
| 08:42.46 | ChrisH | Jimmymaniac: I assume the answer "restore from backup" is not what you want to hear. I do not know any way and I assume many/most tools might not work due to missing libs. |
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| 08:43.25 | shingouz | !tell Jimmymaniac about status recovery |
| 08:43.32 | shingouz | grr... |
| 08:43.33 | awfabian | totalnoob: you should dig into the 'advanced' options for the bootloader in the installers, to make sure they'll install in the partition and not the MBR. |
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| 08:44.14 | shingouz | ...hmm... looks like it still works... |
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| 08:44.48 | totalnoob | thank you awfabian, i'll do that |
| 08:44.57 | shingouz | Jimmymaniac: read what dpkg told you. that should at least give you some help with the recovery |
| 08:45.19 | Jimmymaniac | shingouz: thanks, i was unaware of that. |
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| 08:48.12 | shingouz | Jimmymaniac: be careful, you will get a headache with that. been there, done it , have the scars to prove it. fortunately i have already forgot most of how it went, that was quite a few years ago |
| 08:48.58 | Jimmymaniac | It is a headache already, i'm just trying to save a bit on aspirin ;) |
| 08:50.48 | ChrisH | Jimmymaniac: before trying to recover consider a reinstallation, this will be one time pain. |
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| 09:16.10 | handuel | What is the rcpbind program? Because I have a port open in my firewall for it, and I don't no what it is. |
| 09:16.31 | well_laid_lawn | normally it is associted with nfs |
| 09:16.31 | handuel | As an aside, can anyone recommend a CD ripper program. |
| 09:16.56 | handuel | well_laid_lawn: Do you know if it is safe to close the port, and do you know how to close the port? |
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| 09:21.32 | uplate | handuel: You can use "dd" if you just want an iso |
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| 09:22.38 | uplate | Depends if you need anything to access an rpc based service I guess (like nfs) |
| 09:23.10 | handuel | uplate: Given I don't even no what nfs or an rpc service does I'm OK, how do I close the port? |
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| 09:25.49 | uplate | You can probably just stop the service - /etc/init.d/rpcbind stop, to make it permanent on reboot, you'll need to ... change /etc/rc<whatever runlevel>/S*rpcbind I guess... I don't know if there's a "neat" debian way to do that |
| 09:26.59 | ChrisH | handuel: run rpcinfo -p IP to see which RPC based processes did register |
| 09:27.47 | ChrisH | handuel: most firewalls are unable to handle rpc based stuff properly as the Ports are not fixed. Only a few firewalls allow to specify rpc programmnumbers. |
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| 09:36.31 | nonconvergent | Got an couple error when I install vbox about missing the source for the kernel I'm running (which I just installed from backports). Which package is that? |
| 09:36.45 | babilen | nonconvergent: How do you install vbox? |
| 09:37.17 | nonconvergent | babilen: apt-get, not a backport either. Do I need one built against my kernel, I take it? |
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| 09:37.35 | babilen | nonconvergent: Or rather: Paste your commands, configuration (e.g. sources.list) and output to http://paste.debian.net; also include "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "linux-image*"" |
| 09:38.09 | babilen | nonconvergent: and, fwiw, I would recommend kvm and virt-manager, but meh ;) |
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| 09:38.24 | nonconvergent | shrugs |
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| 09:39.12 | nonconvergent | I've only every tinkered in vbox. I think I may try setting this one up for remote access though, a develop environment for when I need to run Windows. |
| 09:39.20 | nonconvergent | s/every/ever/ |
| 09:39.24 | babilen | nonconvergent: On wheezy I take it? |
| 09:39.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell nonconvergent about vbox-install wheezy |
| 09:39.45 | babilen | stops guessing and waits for output now :) |
| 09:39.50 | nonconvergent | Yes. |
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| 09:40.09 | nonconvergent | Fresh install so that I can start the semester with no stability issues. |
| 09:40.13 | meuak | Test |
| 09:40.19 | babilen | FAILED |
| 09:40.20 | meuak | I have a newly installed debian computer. Now am trying to use dual monitors. It does work when using mirroring but I want to extend it. I get that some virtual size 3360, 1050 is to small or something like that. I thought I would edit the xorg.conf but it does not exist. |
| 09:40.23 | nonconvergent | meuak: D+ |
| 09:40.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell meuak -about empty xorg.conf |
| 09:40.41 | meuak | WHat is my approach? |
| 09:40.41 | nonconvergent | meuak: man xrandr |
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| 09:40.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell meuak -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 09:41.43 | babilen | meuak: But these days you typically use xrandr (or one of its frontends like arandr, grandr or whatever comes with your DE) -- If you don't want to change the setup often it makes sense to configure that specifically in a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that contains only what is needed to configure that. |
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| 09:42.03 | babilen | nonconvergent: Installed it successfully now? |
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| 09:42.14 | meuak | there is no xorg.conf.d |
| 09:42.16 | nonconvergent | babilen: No, you asked for a lot and I keep talking here. |
| 09:42.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell meuak about xrandr |
| 09:42.55 | babilen | meuak: Yes, plese read the factoid(s) the bot sent you in a private message. It mentions that you might have to create that directory if it doesn't exist already. |
| 09:43.07 | babilen | nonconvergent: You should read dpkg's messages too ;) |
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| 09:43.19 | nonconvergent | babilen: I did. I installed the right one, not the ose. |
| 09:43.44 | nonconvergent | I had to grab pastebinit |
| 09:43.45 | nonconvergent | :P |
| 09:43.47 | meuak | xrandr says aswell I should use xorg.conf to add the virtual size. Well ok i'll look into it. |
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| 09:44.15 | babilen | nonconvergent: pastebinit is very horrible code, I'd recommend nopaste (/msg dpkg nopaste) |
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| 09:44.43 | nonconvergent | ...that is annoying...I've never seen it fail like this. |
| 09:44.53 | nonconvergent | Even on my other weheezy machine |
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| 09:45.05 | babilen | meuak: Just create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and a, say, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-screen.conf in there with the sections that you need to configure whatever you want to configure. Also read "man 5 xorg.conf" |
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| 09:45.30 | nonconvergent | Woof, nopaste wants a mountain of perl libs. |
| 09:45.53 | babilen | Is that a problem? |
| 09:46.40 | nonconvergent | It's cooking. |
| 09:46.51 | babilen | nonconvergent: And just to confirm: The installation instructions the bot sent you do not work and fail with an identical error? |
| 09:47.12 | meuak | babilen: how do I tell the system to load it? |
| 09:47.45 | nonconvergent | babilen: already at both versions. |
| 09:47.52 | babilen | meuak: Configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (that is files in there whose name ends in .conf) are read automatically during Xorg's startup. |
| 09:48.10 | meuak | ok |
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| 09:48.41 | nonconvergent | ...does tmux not buffer by default? |
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| 09:49.13 | nonconvergent | ...I think I made a mistake then when I ran the apt-get install for vbox in a tmux instance. |
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| 09:50.19 | nonconvergent | babilen: http://pastie.org/8290807 |
| 09:50.56 | meuak | babilen: something like this? http://pastebin.com/xFqryjpk |
| 09:51.13 | babilen | nonconvergent: Why do you have [arch=amd64,i386] in there? That is not needed on Debian, but has been introduced because Ubuntu's mirrors don't carry all architectures. |
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| 09:51.35 | nonconvergent | multiarch |
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| 09:51.49 | babilen | meuak: It looks alright for a configuration file in there, yes, but I have no idea if that configuration makes sense or is complete. |
| 09:51.56 | nonconvergent | I run some old 32 bit junk. |
| 09:52.02 | meuak | either do I :D |
| 09:52.03 | babilen | nonconvergent: yes, you don't need that on Debian. It is an Ubuntuism. |
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| 09:52.28 | nonconvergent | It is if I don't want to slog through ia32-libs |
| 09:52.30 | meuak | so do I need to restart the computer? |
| 09:52.36 | GapSpark_ | Shalom niggahz |
| 09:52.54 | babilen | nonconvergent: No, you *never* need "[arch=amd64,i386]" or anything like that in your sources.list on Debian |
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| 09:53.42 | meuak | can I restart some service that reads the new xorg file or is a reboot essential? |
| 09:53.45 | babilen | nonconvergent: Please read https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 09:53.53 | babilen | meuak: How did you start Xorg? |
| 09:54.08 | meuak | I never did, it did with a system start |
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| 09:54.39 | babilen | meuak: In that case it was started by, presumable, gdm. You can run "service gdm3 restart" from tty1, but a restart might be easier for you. |
| 09:55.09 | nonconvergent | Well, it's unrelated to the issue at hand. |
| 09:55.18 | nonconvergent | Not touching anything multiarch. |
| 09:55.25 | babilen | Yes, it is. But still. |
| 09:55.56 | nonconvergent | http://pastie.org/8290811 |
| 09:56.03 | nonconvergent | There's your dpkg -l |
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| 09:56.19 | Catbuntu | hi |
| 09:56.20 | babilen | Ah, so you are using the kernel from backports? |
| 09:56.30 | nonconvergent | First thing I said. |
| 09:56.31 | babilen | Catbuntu: Welcome! :) |
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| 09:57.02 | nonconvergent | 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 09:57.19 | Catbuntu | Is it true that "testing brokes less often than unstable; but when it breaks it takes more time to be fixed than unstable"? |
| 09:57.32 | Catbuntu | I'm unsure if I should go with stable or testing. |
| 09:57.46 | babilen | nonconvergent: Okay, in that case make the installation instructions: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 ; apt-get install virtualbox |
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| 09:57.56 | meuka | babilen: that config killed my xorg |
| 09:58.02 | nonconvergent | Unless you're writing bugreports, stable. |
| 09:58.21 | nonconvergent | meuka: Errors will tell you useful things! |
| 09:58.25 | meuka | I have no idea of how to active extended monitors... |
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| 09:59.20 | babilen | Catbuntu: You have to install stable first anyway. This discussion is *very* complicated and there are plenty of arguments that have to be considered in the "testing or unstable?" debate. Fwiw, my recommendation if asked it would be "track testing, but allow yourself to pull packages from unstable" -- This "testing unstable mix" setup is detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" |
| 09:59.40 | Catbuntu | Thanks :) |
| 10:00.00 | meuka | The selected configuration for displays could not be applied. Required virtual size does not fit the available: requested=(3320, 1050) |
| 10:00.06 | meuka | what do? Am going insane :D |
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| 10:00.23 | Catbuntu | So you can actually have a "testing base" mixed with some sid packages? |
| 10:00.38 | nonconvergent | My opinion is if you're not willing to fill out bugreports and wait for fixes that may never come, stay on stable. |
| 10:00.39 | Catbuntu | I'm sorry heh, I'm not really into Debian, I've always used derivatives or RPM-based. |
| 10:00.41 | babilen | Catbuntu: The real question you should ask yourself though is: Do I *really* want to run testing/unstable and am I able to deal with the problems I will encounter? Please read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable for some information on that - You can get quite far with stable + backports and it would be what I recommend to you now until you know Debian and its package management system well. |
| 10:00.44 | nonconvergent | Catbuntu: You can, but it's bad. |
| 10:00.59 | Catbuntu | Well basically if you can deal with Ubuntu I guess you can deal with Testing lol |
| 10:01.30 | Catbuntu | And would it be possible to use stable yet have, for example, python 3.3 which is only in testing and sid? |
| 10:01.57 | babilen | Catbuntu: You can easily mix testing with unstable, yes and it is a very reasonable setup at this point. (more reasonable at this point in the release cycle than testing alone IMHO) -- I wouldn't necessarily recommend tracking testing or unstable to users unfamiliar with Debian in the first place though. |
| 10:02.22 | jelly | Catbuntu: python's too integrated for that to be a feasible option |
| 10:02.39 | nonconvergent | run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 10:02.41 | nonconvergent | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 (x86_64) |
| 10:02.43 | Catbuntu | But Python3.3 is backwards-compatible with 3.2 which is the one in Stable I think |
| 10:02.51 | Catbuntu | At least there's a python3.2 package in stable |
| 10:03.18 | babilen | Catbuntu: If that package has been backported you can just install the backport, but Python is a very integral part of the system and I would recommend to install it locally if you need newer versions. (manage that with stow, see "/msg dpkg stow usage" and setup virtualenvs and use pip) |
| 10:03.42 | Catbuntu | Isn't it possible to have a 'python' "command" for Python 3.2/the default in Stable, and then install python3.3 and have a symlink like 'python33'? |
| 10:04.16 | Catbuntu | Oh well that's true, you can always install whatever version somewhere and just do what I said above. |
| 10:04.25 | Catbuntu | Well and what about GNOME 3.8 for example. |
| 10:04.30 | nonconvergent | more likely an alias, but yes. And he just told you ways to do it. |
| 10:04.32 | Catbuntu | In Stable there's 3.4 right? |
| 10:04.32 | babilen | Catbuntu: yes, that is what I said: Install Python locally (i.e. compile it yourself and install it to /usr/local, make sure you delete /usr/local/bin/python and manage the whole thing with stow) |
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| 10:05.31 | nonconvergent | babilen: did you catch that? |
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| 10:06.28 | Catbuntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.32 | babilen | Catbuntu: If you *really* need all those new versions than it doesn't make sense to run stable; I am simply saying that running testing and unstable requires some expertise and willingness to deal with problems as they arise (and reasonable administration beforehand) which is why I wouldn't recommend it to people who are unfamiliar with Debian and its packaging system. Feel free to run it regardless, but please read the FAQ and make *sensible* ... |
| 10:06.36 | Iridos | any recommendation for a stress-test tool in debian that works on a daemon running on the network? I have seen a mathematica license server crash from time to time... so far I've found "mz"? |
| 10:06.37 | Catbuntu | I never heard about stow. |
| 10:06.38 | babilen | ... decisions. |
| 10:06.56 | babilen | nonconvergent: Might be that vbox from stable can't be compiled against that kernel version. |
| 10:07.05 | Catbuntu | I guess I don' *need* them. |
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| 10:07.20 | babilen | Catbuntu: yes, that is why I tell you about it. You really want to use it if you compile/install software locally. |
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| 10:08.03 | Catbuntu | Oh that looks great. |
| 10:08.11 | babilen | Catbuntu: There simply isn't the perfect and right answer as it depends on your wishes, your knowledge and your willingness to deal with problems. |
| 10:08.13 | Catbuntu | So that would be something like ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/python33? |
| 10:08.21 | babilen | yes |
| 10:08.25 | Catbuntu | Cool |
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| 10:08.40 | Catbuntu | Well since I'm not going to use Debian 100% of the time, I'd rather use stable and focus on work that has to be done. |
| 10:08.40 | nonconvergent | babilen: I didn't even install vbox...or rather it's already installed. |
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| 10:09.05 | nonconvergent | babilen: line 38 http://paste.debian.net/33654/ |
| 10:09.05 | Catbuntu | by the way what DE comes with the netinst of wheezy? |
| 10:09.08 | babilen | Catbuntu: And then later, in /usr/local/stow, you would run "stow python3.3" (err, python33) |
| 10:09.15 | nonconvergent | Catbuntu: all of them but Gnome3 by default. |
| 10:09.20 | Catbuntu | I see babilen |
| 10:09.32 | Catbuntu | nonconvergent, so all the DEs are installed? |
| 10:09.58 | Catbuntu | or only Gnome 3 is installed and you can install for example Xfce later? |
| 10:10.06 | Catbuntu | I thought that now Debian used Xfce by default lol |
| 10:10.21 | nonconvergent | Catbuntu: no. Only one. Gnome3 is selected by default. Go to advanced options on the first screen of the installer to changed the default. |
| 10:10.31 | nonconvergent | It'll say something like "Alternative Environments" |
| 10:10.32 | babilen | nonconvergent: Ah, yeah. Looks as if both the nvidia module and the vbox module does not compile against the kernel from backports. You can install the nvidia package from backports, but I am, as of now, unsure how to deal with vbox. |
| 10:10.45 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/33655/ The error log it said to hunt. |
| 10:10.52 | nonconvergent | There is no nvidia bpo. |
| 10:11.02 | Catbuntu | I see |
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| 10:11.09 | Catbuntu | I'm installing on vbox first. |
| 10:11.19 | nonconvergent | , -v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:11.20 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
| 10:11.36 | babilen | Catbuntu: No, we don't use XFCE by default (that was reported wrongly in the press) -- You can install whatever desktop environment by default during and after the installation but Gnome is installed by default. Which DE do you want? |
| 10:11.46 | Catbuntu | Well my last question, to do a netinst with wifi needing a iwlwifi driver, I just have to copy the firewall-iwliwifi.deb file to an usb drive? |
| 10:12.00 | babilen | nonconvergent: Oh, no backport for that. :-/ |
| 10:12.09 | Catbuntu | s/firewall-iwlwifi/firmware-iwlwifi_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb/ |
| 10:12.10 | babilen | Catbuntu: We offer images with firmware |
| 10:12.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Catbuntu -about install debian |
| 10:12.19 | nonconvergent | I noticed |
| 10:12.20 | Catbuntu | oh god |
| 10:12.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Catbuntu -about firmware image |
| 10:12.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Catbuntu -about installer firmware |
| 10:12.41 | nonconvergent | there is a vbox backport. |
| 10:12.42 | handuel | rcpinfo |
| 10:12.45 | handuel | sorry |
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| 10:13.12 | nonconvergent | one the first things I asked was if I should be looking there. |
| 10:13.24 | Catbuntu | babilen, so the ISO at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ contains all the non-free firmware? |
| 10:13.29 | Catbuntu | And anything else is like a normal netinst? |
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| 10:13.36 | babilen | Catbuntu: Alternatively you can unpack http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ to the second partition on the USB stick after you've written it to it with "cp thedebian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (/dev/sdb for example) -- That gives you a /dev/sdX2 partition that you can mount and that is large enough for the firmware. |
| 10:13.51 | babilen | Catbuntu: Yes, that is the case. |
| 10:14.01 | Catbuntu | Oh then I guess I'd rather use the unofficial netinst. |
| 10:14.02 | nonconvergent | Catbuntu: Nope. It's all a lie. |
| 10:14.07 | Catbuntu | You've saved my life |
| 10:14.09 | Catbuntu | omg why |
| 10:14.12 | nonconvergent | Also there is no cake. |
| 10:14.20 | Catbuntu | no way |
| 10:14.39 | Catbuntu | also should I install amd64 or multiarch lol |
| 10:14.47 | nonconvergent | First one then the other. |
| 10:14.57 | nonconvergent | Or better, only what you need. |
| 10:15.09 | Catbuntu | I'm not sure if it's worth it because I have a x64 CPU yet only 3GB of RAM |
| 10:15.19 | Catbuntu | So is it useful to install a x64 version? |
| 10:15.21 | nonconvergent | Ram has nothing to do with arch. |
| 10:15.26 | babilen | Catbuntu: You install amd64 and then enable other architectures later. The "multiarch" image simply allows you to install amd64 or i386 from the same image. |
| 10:15.40 | Catbuntu | oh I see |
| 10:15.42 | Catbuntu | nonconvergent, I know. |
| 10:15.54 | Catbuntu | But x64 is basically useful if you have +3GB of RAM iirc |
| 10:16.02 | nonconvergent | No. |
| 10:16.08 | nonconvergent | it's useful regardless. |
| 10:16.13 | Catbuntu | but it uses more RAM |
| 10:16.28 | babilen | Catbuntu: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO - both i386 and amd64 sound reasonable for you. Don't quite see the need for amd64 now, but you might want to move the system to more powerful hardware later. |
| 10:16.40 | nonconvergent | No, it does not. Well, it can, and probably will, but it's aware of what it has. |
| 10:16.52 | jelly | Catbuntu: it also uses more registers and a better instruction set |
| 10:17.07 | jelly | Catbuntu: so it usually evens out, except when it doesn't |
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| 10:17.11 | babilen | Catbuntu: There are other arguments in favour of amd64 (and also against it) and I would personally probably pick amd64. But this is, once again, a complicated and multifaceted discussion that can't simply be boiled down to easy recipes. |
| 10:17.18 | Catbuntu | SO there's an increment of performance comparing to x86? |
| 10:17.37 | themill | Catbuntu: oftenâ„¢ |
| 10:17.37 | nonconvergent | Catbuntu: Nope. None at all. They just did it to annoy us. |
| 10:17.46 | jelly | Catbuntu: there's increment for some things, and decrement for others. Test with your own workload. |
| 10:17.47 | Catbuntu | lol |
| 10:17.54 | nonconvergent | Intel and AMD got together and decided they hate you. |
| 10:17.58 | jelly | !tias |
| 10:17.58 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 10:18.06 | Catbuntu | I started installing x64 thingies when I realized y CPU is x64 capable although it came with Vista x86 |
| 10:18.17 | Catbuntu | And I didn't see a worse anything so I'd go with amd64. |
| 10:18.18 | babilen | nonconvergent: May I, once again, argue in favour of KVM ? ;) |
| 10:18.29 | Iridos | babilen, yes, it can! "use amd64" <--- see, that was easy |
| 10:18.35 | nonconvergent | sure. make dpkg yell at me about it. |
| 10:18.40 | babilen | nonconvergent: but I would guess that the backports version compiles against the kernel in backports. |
| 10:18.43 | Catbuntu | And now I swear last question: without adding i386 arch to dpkg, I won't be able to install packages that don't have a x64 verson? |
| 10:18.50 | nonconvergent | babilen: Do I need to do anything to clean up what we just did? |
| 10:19.11 | babilen | Catbuntu: You have to enable i386 in order to be able to install i386 packages, yes. |
| 10:19.18 | nonconvergent | I'm going to lose conciousness soon. I'm doing this because I couldn't sleep, and you've cured me of that. |
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| 10:19.27 | nonconvergent | ...which is something, I suppose, at least. |
| 10:19.28 | babilen | nonconvergent: Purge those packages? |
| 10:19.30 | jelly | Catbuntu: do you transcode video? That will probably be quite a bit faster. Do you run perl scripts with lots of hashes of hashes? They'll probably use quite a bit more RAM. |
| 10:20.13 | nonconvergent | babilen: purge linux-headers-amd64 and linux-image-amd64? I don't really understand what they they're for or what they did. |
| 10:20.14 | Catbuntu | none of above |
| 10:20.19 | Catbuntu | but anyway |
| 10:20.27 | jelly | runs i386 with just a wee bit of amd64 mixed in |
| 10:20.27 | nonconvergent | And when it runs out of ram it will dip into swap. |
| 10:20.30 | Catbuntu | 10GB would be enough for / (provided /home is somewhere else) |
| 10:20.52 | Catbuntu | Ok I'm such an idiot. |
| 10:20.56 | nonconvergent | I keep my / at least 30GB...and I have filled it up before. |
| 10:21.07 | Catbuntu | I don't even know how to ask questions now *sigh* |
| 10:21.10 | babilen | nonconvergent: They are metapackages that always depend on the latest available kernel. I would recommend to keep them installed. Which kernel do you *actually* use? |
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| 10:21.45 | Catbuntu | hmm |
| 10:21.54 | nonconvergent | Linux yggdrasil 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.10.5-1~bpo70+1 (2013-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:22.00 | Catbuntu | 25 GB for /, 45GB for /home would be enough |
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| 10:23.56 | nonconvergent | That's weird because I already had the the latest headers and kernel from wheezy-backports, or so I thought. |
| 10:24.48 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-amd64 --release wheezy-backports |
| 10:24.49 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 in wheezy-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64. |
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| 10:25.11 | babilen | nonconvergent: So you don't use the nvidia driver right now? |
| 10:25.12 | nonconvergent | Which I clearly have. |
| 10:25.22 | nonconvergent | Yes, I do. I'm using it right now. |
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| 10:25.52 | nonconvergent | ... |
| 10:25.55 | nonconvergent | I lied. |
| 10:26.05 | babilen | nonconvergent: yes, but that dependency will change *in the future* -- You get the newer kernel if you have the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed and you will stay with the old one if you only have linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 installed. |
| 10:26.12 | nonconvergent | I thought it had switched over but it's still runnign nouveau. |
| 10:26.16 | jelly | Catbuntu: use LVM, leave free space, grow when needed? |
| 10:26.25 | nonconvergent | I confirmed with lsmod |
| 10:26.53 | babilen | Well, the nvidia module didn't compile against the backported kernel so I would have been *very* surprised if you managed to use it. |
| 10:27.08 | jelly | nonconvergent: so... nouveau works well enough for you not to even notice you're running it |
| 10:27.25 | nonconvergent | Apparently, but I got a few little 3d things like. |
| 10:27.44 | babilen | nonconvergent: Not sure what to recommend, but it looks as if getting those (proprietary for nvidia) modules working with the backported kernel requires some work. |
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| 10:28.09 | babilen | nonconvergent: But then you might just keep on using nouveau and install the vbox from backports. |
| 10:28.21 | babilen | Why do you use a backported kernel in the first place? |
| 10:28.26 | nonconvergent | Well, I can downgrade to the stable kernel and run nvidia, or I guess keep running nouveau |
| 10:28.48 | usrnix | Hi, quick question.. Does 'Guided - use the largest continuous free space' ask you before commiting changes (feel like I didn't see that, could be wrong) but also does the debian installer see NTFS as 'free space'? |
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| 10:29.15 | babilen | nonconvergent: In that case please make sure to purge the linux-* metapackages we installed earlier and reinstall them from stable. |
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| 10:29.24 | babilen | nonconvergent: But why do you use a backported kernel? |
| 10:29.28 | nonconvergent | I had a good reason at the time, but it's late enough that I'll chalk it up to SNS. |
| 10:29.44 | babilen | heh |
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| 10:30.01 | babilen | nonconvergent: Well, you know your options now. (alternatively backport the nvidia driver yourself) |
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| 10:30.47 | nonconvergent | I guess I should remove nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:32.12 | nonconvergent | this showed up as I removed it "Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel." |
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| 10:33.28 | PoG | awstats isnt updating properly, it keeps skipping hours |
| 10:33.56 | PoG | and when it skips, if it does do an next update |
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| 10:34.09 | PoG | that update is from teh last time it ran, rather than the last time it updated |
| 10:34.16 | nonconvergent | Oh lovely. There's no english page on the wiki for Nouveau. The first and only result is in russian. |
| 10:34.32 | PoG | Update: 01 Sep 2013 - 12:50 | 15441 | Last visit : 01 Sep 2013 - 12:50 | Updated, Last Visit up to date |
| 10:34.32 | PoG | Update: 01 Sep 2013 - 13:50 | 15441 | Last visit : 01 Sep 2013 - 12:50 | No Update, Last Visit not up to date |
| 10:34.38 | PoG | so im ending up with that |
| 10:34.57 | PoG | anyone got a clue why it wouldnt be reading logs properly ? |
| 10:35.08 | PoG | it only started breaking on saturday morning |
| 10:35.19 | PoG | i think plesk panel auto updated |
| 10:35.27 | nonconvergent | babilen: Why kvm? |
| 10:37.15 | babilen | PoG: May I see the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy awstats" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 10:38.33 | PoG | yep |
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| 10:39.24 | PoG | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2d9a7ee9/ |
| 10:39.48 | babilen | PoG: Oh, oldstable :) |
| 10:40.06 | babilen | PoG: Could it be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706487 ? |
| 10:40.50 | PoG | dont think so, august was fine, heck, the whole last year was fine |
| 10:41.00 | PoG | then i *think* plesk updated on saturday morning |
| 10:41.06 | babilen | Nah, that looks different. Also: Plesk is really not supported by us and problems related to it should be taken to their support channel(s). |
| 10:41.11 | PoG | and i got the first few hours of stats on saturday |
| 10:41.22 | PoG | yeah, im just not sure it *is* plesk tbh |
| 10:41.32 | PoG | i mean, its highly coincidental |
| 10:41.35 | babilen | PoG: Well, don't guess but check. You have logfiles for that ( /var/log/apt/history.log ) |
| 10:42.11 | babilen | And then downgrade/remove plesk and check if you can reproduce the error. |
| 10:42.45 | babilen | PoG: But then plesk couldn't have been updated as you lack repositories for it. |
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| 10:43.23 | babilen | So we can rule that out (unless you updated it manually, but I would guess that you would remember doing that) |
| 10:43.46 | PoG | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/43230d8c/ |
| 10:43.52 | PoG | yeah, that happened on saturday morning |
| 10:45.03 | babilen | And you don't remember that? |
| 10:45.13 | PoG | it was auto |
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| 10:45.59 | PoG | im gonna turn off autoupdating, tis a friggin nightmare |
| 10:46.11 | babilen | You run that automatically? |
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| 10:46.21 | Catbuntu | Gonna install! |
| 10:46.25 | babilen | *shudder* |
| 10:46.56 | Catbuntu | babilen, thankyou so much for pointing me to the non-free firmware included ISO, you saved my life! |
| 10:46.57 | Catbuntu | :P |
| 10:46.59 | Catbuntu | brb hopefully |
| 10:46.59 | Catbuntu | :* |
| 10:47.09 | babilen | Catbuntu: Have fun! :) |
| 10:47.13 | Catbuntu | thanks! |
| 10:48.13 | PoG | babilen, its supposedly a managed server |
| 10:48.20 | PoG | but i am failing to be managed correctly atm |
| 10:48.26 | PoG | so im getting my hands dirty |
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| 10:48.30 | PoG | but... im not a server guy |
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| 10:50.03 | PoG | its godamn annoying tho, this is the start of my busy season, really need/want/need stats |
| 10:50.10 | PoG | its died at completely the wrong time |
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| 11:28.51 | Danielss89 | With sed i can replace some text with another |
| 11:29.13 | babilen | indeed |
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| 11:29.48 | Danielss89 | But is it possible to say something like "Replace 'foo' with 'bar' if 'foo' is between lines with 'starttext' and 'endtext' |
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| 11:32.09 | bhuddah | Danielss89: ask in #perl. they will know at least something. |
| 11:32.31 | babilen | Danielss89: You might want to ask ##sed or #regex |
| 11:32.39 | babilen | Danielss89: How is that related to #perl ? |
| 11:32.39 | Danielss89 | ok, th |
| 11:32.56 | bhuddah | babilen: because of that regex stuff. |
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| 11:33.05 | bhuddah | overread a discussion about that a few days ago |
| 11:33.06 | bhuddah | bbl |
| 11:33.57 | johndo | is there any way to blacklist a package, i.e. to prevent it to be installed with apt or aptitude? |
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| 11:36.36 | abrotman | Danielss89: there's a #sed that should know. Can't recall the syntax off the top of my head, but yes, it's possible |
| 11:36.56 | fommil | hi all… what's the recommended way to setup a wifi station with a debian server? (ethernet connection to the interwebz already setup) |
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| 11:37.34 | abrotman | fommil: do you have a wifi card with a driver that supports that mode? |
| 11:38.06 | fommil | abrotman: I thought all wifi cards could do that. How do I check? |
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| 11:38.49 | abrotman | fommil: linuxwireless.org should have a link I would think |
| 11:39.14 | abrotman | fommil: you're looking for a card/driver that support "master mode" |
| 11:39.22 | fommil | abrotman: thanks |
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| 11:40.35 | johndo | nvm, found it |
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| 11:41.09 | babilen | johndo: You should very rarely have to do that, what's your usecase? |
| 11:41.20 | fommil | abrotman: hmm, I can't see the list of the support. this is my driver http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x |
| 11:41.38 | abrotman | fommil: I found it rather quickly |
| 11:41.43 | abrotman | fommil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#Driver_capabilities |
| 11:41.50 | abrotman | it's linked from linuxwireless.org |
| 11:42.04 | fommil | abrotman: that's better than the wireless.kernel page! :-) |
| 11:42.22 | abrotman | fommil: i can't tell from your link which driver you actually use? |
| 11:42.38 | rafw | Danielss89: Does it answer you question regarding sed : http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html#uh-29 ? |
| 11:42.39 | abrotman | wonder if the driver changed names |
| 11:42.42 | fommil | abrotman: rtl8192cu |
| 11:42.58 | abrotman | fommil: that table from wikip doesn't have that driver |
| 11:43.15 | fommil | abrotman: it does |
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| 11:43.36 | abrotman | is clearly blind, doesn't see rtl8192cu on that page |
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| 11:43.43 | fommil | abrotman: but that was a typo anyway, it's RTL8188CU |
| 11:43.56 | fommil | RTL8188CUS actually, according to lsusb |
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| 11:44.22 | MonkWitDaFunk | What kind of drivers are important for small/home? |
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| 11:44.38 | johndo | babilen: to prevent nvidia upgrades to screw up my xserver |
| 11:44.38 | abrotman | huh? |
| 11:44.52 | MonkWitDaFunk | I need ati and broadcom drivers |
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| 11:44.56 | Ice_Strike | I am having problem getting tightvnc to work, see http://pastebin.com/eEpEtbhw |
| 11:45.29 | abrotman | Ice_Strike: why is your hostname (none)? |
| 11:45.39 | abrotman | Ice_Strike: is this raspbian? |
| 11:45.41 | MonkWitDaFunk | Debian.is great for gigabit NICs, usb 3.0 bus |
| 11:45.54 | Ice_Strike | abrotman Yes raspbian |
| 11:46.15 | abrotman | Ice_Strike: ask #raspbian please |
| 11:46.22 | Ice_Strike | ok thanks |
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| 11:46.32 | babilen | johndo: Mind elaborating on that? Why would the nvidia driver be installed in the first place? Why would that installation screw up your X server? |
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| 11:46.55 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hey #debian, can a vpn provide only 3 protocols web and 3 protocols email? |
| 11:47.01 | babilen | johndo: If you installed the nvidia driver: How did you install it? |
| 11:47.17 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: are you asking to limit it? or are you asking if that is the limit? |
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| 11:47.41 | MonkWitDaFunk | Limiting. |
| 11:47.43 | johndo | babilen: they have missing dependencies I think, the never driver always will be installed with missing kernel support, so the xserver does not start |
| 11:47.53 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: that doesn't answer the question |
| 11:48.04 | babilen | johndo: That should never happen -- How did you install the driver? |
| 11:48.08 | johndo | happened several times to me and I'm just tired of downgrading that every time |
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| 11:48.23 | abrotman | babilen: .run! |
| 11:48.32 | babilen | johndo: Something must be wrong with your installation then, how did you install it? |
| 11:48.34 | sharky | MonkWitDaFunk, a vpn forwards *all* the traffic, no matter the protocol, limiting you can do with firewall like iptables |
| 11:48.46 | MonkWitDaFunk | Nvidia has certified driver. Use nvidia certified |
| 11:48.47 | babilen | abrotman: Might be reasonable advice ;) |
| 11:49.11 | johndo | babilen: via the nvidia-kernel-amd64 package |
| 11:49.15 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: no, do not use that driver |
| 11:49.18 | MonkWitDaFunk | They got difftent certified drivers for hardware they built |
| 11:49.25 | abrotman | that's how things break |
| 11:49.51 | maroloccio | what is correct and why: (...) searches the apt repository for (...) || searches the Apt repo... || searches the APT repo... || "other" |
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| 11:50.13 | maroloccio | apt/Apt/APT/other/... |
| 11:50.18 | babilen | johndo: Upgrades to that shouldn't break your system; I would, however, rather recommend to use the DKMS packages as they work fine with different kernels. (the module is compiled on demand) -- See https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for details. |
| 11:50.39 | MonkWitDaFunk | Im trying to do an example with squid for web and postfix for mail |
| 11:50.51 | MonkWitDaFunk | Use those systems as a vpn |
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| 11:51.09 | babilen | johndo: The nvidia-kernel-amd64 package simply pulls in pre-built packages for your kernel, but that might not work if you install kernels from backports. |
| 11:51.12 | johndo | babilen: it doesn't break the system, just the xserver |
| 11:51.31 | babilen | johndo: ack, s/your system/xorg/ then :) |
| 11:51.32 | sharky | MonkWitDaFunk, do you have good postfix tutorials, I am looking for good ones |
| 11:51.36 | maroloccio | i would be inclined to translate "APT" (as per the `man' pages) but i see there are other uses elsewhere. is "APT" the canonical form? |
| 11:51.43 | MonkWitDaFunk | Will i need three systems if two are web. Mailm |
| 11:51.46 | abrotman | sharky: postfix.org has plenty |
| 11:52.04 | johndo | babilen: it always works for me as long it installs the version which is matching the nvidia glx package, but obviously there are no dependencies between them |
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| 11:52.13 | johndo | and the xorg team does not want them |
| 11:52.17 | babilen | johndo: Do you have the corresponding kernel/kernel-header metapackages (linux-image-amd64, linux-headers-amd64) installed? |
| 11:52.33 | sharky | abrotman, thanks, but the more the better :D |
| 11:52.55 | johndo | babilen: I do not want to build tyhe module myself, so I don't need the dkms system |
| 11:52.56 | abrotman | sharky: yes, postfix.org has plenty |
| 11:53.04 | johndo | I only use standard debian kernels |
| 11:53.38 | johndo | babilen: and yes, I do have the kernel metapackage installed (linux-image-amd64) |
| 11:54.39 | babilen | johndo: So you mean that upgrades to nvidia-kernel-amd64 (and therefore the installation of a corresponding nvidia-kernel-*-amd64 package) breaks the Xorg as libgl1-nvidia-glx is not upgraded at the same time? |
| 11:54.56 | babilen | *a new corresponding* |
| 11:55.22 | johndo | babilen: yes |
| 11:55.24 | MonkWitDaFunk | Thanks sharky. Is postfix easy? |
| 11:55.47 | babilen | johndo: That sounds like a bug that should be fixed, haven't seen anything to that effect with the dkms based installation we typically recommend. Would you mind reporting that with as many details as you can provide? |
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| 11:57.01 | MonkWitDaFunk | I think uts good to keep only one kernal for the lifespan of memory |
| 11:57.13 | johndo | babilen: as I said, the xorg team doesn't want to have these dependencies |
| 11:57.20 | MonkWitDaFunk | Eg. 3.5 kernel 64bit |
| 11:57.27 | MonkWitDaFunk | Amd64 |
| 11:57.41 | johndo | and I have given up to diskuss anything with them, they are very stubborn ;) |
| 11:57.52 | sharky | MonkWitDaFunk, well you can install postfix from repositories so thats the easy part, configuration is a bit harder, but if you read enough tutorials you will get it, also it depends on your further configuration |
| 11:58.39 | MonkWitDaFunk | What do i do about dns reports to clients? |
| 11:58.57 | MonkWitDaFunk | Reverse as well |
| 11:59.02 | sharky | MonkWitDaFunk, whether you use *sql database, or maildir, after that sendmail .. or dovecat ... there are different possibilities |
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| 11:59.21 | MonkWitDaFunk | Wow |
| 11:59.55 | babilen | johndo: Well, a well written and argued bug report would be a start and would allow others (like me) to understand the situation and witheld favours of beer at the next conference ;) |
| 12:00.05 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: there is a #postfix |
| 12:00.59 | johndo | babilen: you are part of thet team? oh oh xD |
| 12:00.59 | MonkWitDaFunk | Is postfix alread included with debian amd64? |
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| 12:03.31 | Roland- | !party |
| 12:03.31 | dpkg | it has been said that party is Lego, and alcohol |
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| 12:04.15 | sharky | MonkWitDaFunk, yes it is |
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| 12:04.54 | babilen | johndo: No, I am not but I am involved in Debian and know some of the people in debian-x |
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| 12:06.38 | babilen | johndo: And if I learned one thing: A bug report achieves more than twelve mails or a hundred discussions in an IRC channel. There might be good reasons for the way it is handled at the moment, but the fact that you have to hold packages/prevent upgrades on what looks like a normal Debian system simply shows that something is wrong. |
| 12:06.50 | engblom | Could anyone kindly point me to some documentation of show me the steps for making a small change in the source of one package? I do not want the upstream version. I want to replace the installed package with my slightly changed version. |
| 12:07.20 | MonkWitDaFunk | So diffrent debian packages/tarballs makes diffrent possibilities for dns reports and reverse dns |
| 12:07.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell engblom -about recompile package |
| 12:07.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell engblom -about recompile packages |
| 12:07.47 | babilen | hmm? |
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| 12:08.19 | johndo | babilen: yes, I know, I have reported that months ago and the answer was that they don't want or can't make these dependencies |
| 12:08.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell engblom about package recompile |
| 12:08.38 | babilen | engblom: (sorry, hope that is "easy" enough) |
| 12:08.46 | babilen | johndo: bug number? |
| 12:09.06 | johndo | babilen: and my experience from older bugs tells me to accept there answers without any discussion ;) |
| 12:09.12 | babilen | heh |
| 12:09.23 | babilen | The Cristau hammer of death :) |
| 12:09.33 | johndo | babilen: I don't remeber |
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| 12:09.52 | engblom | babilen: Thanks! How do I get the build-dependencies too? "apt-get source packgename" is not pulling down the dependencies. |
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| 12:10.00 | babilen | johndo: Fair enough, there is no point in us discussing this, but I am just trying to help you and prevent other users from running into this problem in the future. |
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| 12:10.46 | johndo | babilen: I hope blocking the dkms will fix it for me, will see that with the next kernel/nvidia upgrade |
| 12:11.23 | babilen | engblom: Please read the factoid again, it contains "aptitude -R build-dep packagename" in the second step. |
| 12:12.03 | johndo | babilen: usually there are only a few days between the upgrades of the kernel and the new nvidia modules beeing available |
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| 12:12.30 | babilen | johndo: Yet another good reason to build them yourselves |
| 12:12.37 | engblom | Thanks! |
| 12:12.43 | babilen | *yourself |
| 12:12.54 | johndo | babilen: maybe, but it introduces a lot of dependencies and wastes a lot of space |
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| 12:15.15 | maxxe | dpkg: tell engblom -about simple sid backport |
| 12:15.38 | abrotman | maxxe: that wasn't what he asked |
| 12:15.38 | maxxe | dpkg: tell engblom -about package recompile |
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| 12:16.02 | babilen | ... |
| 12:16.08 | fommil | abrotman: yay, that seems to work. (wifi) but I'm not getting an outbound connection yet (that next!). |
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| 12:16.16 | abrotman | fommil: probably a routing issue |
| 12:16.35 | fommil | abrotman: looks like my choices are bridging or a wifi that assigns IP addresses |
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| 12:16.57 | fommil | all I care about is changing the DNS that is used on this network (it's my "US Netflix" network ;-)) |
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| 12:17.20 | fommil | do you know if I can accomplish that with bridging? |
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| 12:17.50 | maxxe | abrotman: it's described there how to fix build dependencies however |
| 12:18.00 | sharky | g0d, you wanted to know which desktop is best, decide for yourself, here is a good test - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1310_desktops&num=1 |
| 12:18.36 | abrotman | sharky: please don't bother him again |
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| 12:18.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | http://nextmicrosoftceo.com/ |
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| 12:19.24 | abrotman | \\Mr_C\\: please spam elsewhere, thank you |
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| 12:19.36 | sharky | abrotman, he was asking yesterday and I saw that post on phoronix and remembered |
| 12:19.51 | abrotman | sharky: right, and he was trolling |
| 12:20.06 | \\Mr_C\\ | you think thats spam? |
| 12:20.12 | sharky | abrotman, well if he was trolling ok |
| 12:20.17 | abrotman | \\Mr_C\\: is it related to Debian? |
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| 12:20.25 | \\Mr_C\\ | LINUX |
| 12:20.27 | \\Mr_C\\ | godf |
| 12:20.32 | abrotman | \\Mr_C\\: do you need help with Debian? |
| 12:20.57 | \\Mr_C\\ | okay |
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| 12:33.37 | MonkWitDaFunk | #debian, are there operating system settings for 16:9 screen rendering? How about packages? |
| 12:33.44 | fommil | abrotman: awesome, all working now. thanks so much for your help! :-D |
| 12:34.03 | fommil | abrotman: you wouldn't happen to know how to change the DNS used by my router by any chance? |
| 12:34.32 | n3rV3 | MonkWitDaFunk: Debian works with that screen resolution and much higher ones, you just need to install the gpu drivers |
| 12:34.37 | jordilopezamat | hello fommil |
| 12:34.43 | jordilopezamat | hello abrotman |
| 12:34.59 | jordilopezamat | which router model fommil ? |
| 12:35.00 | MonkWitDaFunk | Ah right. Gpu drivers render aspact ratio |
| 12:35.20 | fommil | jordilopezamat: surely that doesn't matter? |
| 12:35.46 | jordilopezamat | mmh... ok, do you have acces to the router web interface ? |
| 12:35.47 | n3rV3 | MonkWitDaFunk: they will give you access to the higher resolutions, it works with vesa too, but you wont get same performance out of it |
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| 12:36.02 | MonkWitDaFunk | D link appliances are a good benefit to gigabit ethernet. Low cost. Open source. |
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| 12:36.28 | jordilopezamat | or telnet session to ? |
| 12:36.41 | mumpitze1 | dlink and open source? since when? |
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| 12:37.39 | rozie | *wrt works on some dlink products |
| 12:37.46 | MonkWitDaFunk | My dlink gigabit router provides me with GPL and LGPL lisences |
| 12:38.01 | jordilopezamat | (fommil , i was asking for the router model, because of this ... https://community.plus.net/library/dns/how-to-change-the-default-dns-servers-in-a-thomson-speedtouch-router/ ) |
| 12:38.04 | fommil | jordilopezamat: my debian box *is* the router |
| 12:38.12 | jordilopezamat | uops, sorry... |
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| 12:38.29 | jordilopezamat | forget about what i was saying ... :-D |
| 12:38.41 | jordilopezamat | i interferred ... sorry |
| 12:39.13 | jordilopezamat | (though it was a regular CPE -router ) |
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| 12:39.49 | ferbivore | MonkWitDaFunk: my TV runs Linux and a bunch of other open-source software, but as a whole it's still proprietary |
| 12:40.27 | MonkWitDaFunk | Anyways. I would definitely use dlink router for broadcast storms. Idk about dns reports |
| 12:40.56 | fommil | never mind all… dnsmask.conf to the rescue! :-) |
| 12:41.23 | MonkWitDaFunk | The onky thing i dont have is application layer firewall |
| 12:41.44 | MonkWitDaFunk | With dlink for low cost. |
| 12:42.04 | zrafa | Hi, I have a user question. No sure if this channel is okey for that. My company gave us a elf32bit binary. No sources, and we need to use that shit software for meetings. I have an amd64 machine, with Debian testing. But I have not had luck :( I tried to install ia32libs like before, |
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| 12:42.53 | mumpitze1 | !tell zrafa about multiarch |
| 12:43.05 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: ia32libs is deprecated and uneeded anymore |
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| 12:45.32 | MonkWitDaFunk | If i were to keep debian kernel 3.6.9, how long can i keep that kernel for? |
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| 12:47.59 | babilen | MonkWitDaFunk: We will not send black-ops-administrators to your to delete it, so you can, in theory, keep it indefinitely. |
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| 12:48.25 | n3rV3 | :) |
| 12:48.30 | bezaban | MonkWitDaFunk: for as long as you want, but there are security fixes applied after that. At least one relatively serious integer overflow, although local. |
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| 12:49.43 | n3rV3 | plus 3.10 will have long term support, for the next 2 years. so it'll be better to stick with 3.10.x rather than 3.6.9 |
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| 12:50.29 | MonkWitDaFunk | Okay. Debian 7 amd64 is kernel 3.2 |
| 12:50.34 | MonkWitDaFunk | Right? |
| 12:50.54 | mumpitze1 | right |
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| 12:51.14 | dvs | n3rV3: Really? When did they announce that? |
| 12:51.35 | n3rV3 | dvs: hold on i'll share a link |
| 12:51.57 | mumpitze1 | dvs: http://kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/ |
| 12:52.39 | n3rV3 | yes, plus it was referred on zdnet |
| 12:52.42 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: please keep it in channel |
| 12:53.22 | dvs | What does Greg K-H know? ;-) |
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| 12:53.47 | mumpitze1 | he's the maintainer for these kernels, so he should know |
| 12:53.51 | zrafa | mumpitze1: okey, sorry |
| 12:54.09 | zrafa | I tried to install ia32libs and it wanted to install libc i386, |
| 12:54.11 | dvs | is glad because 3.10 is the first kernel that completel works with his laptop. |
| 12:54.25 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: start with the exact command you ran for installing i386 in amd64 and the error output |
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| 12:54.50 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: have you read the links dpkg gave you? |
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| 12:55.12 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: you are not supposed to install ia32libs anymore |
| 12:55.17 | abrotman | zrafa: ia32libs is gone |
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| 12:55.26 | themill | (sort of) |
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| 12:55.55 | johndo | dvs: hehe, just made the opposite experience, it does not even boot here ;) |
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| 12:56.19 | johndo | the first kernel in years ... |
| 12:56.20 | dvs | heh |
| 12:56.26 | zrafa | abrotman: mumpitze1 Yes, I read, and I know that ia32libs is gone, but I did not understand :( |
| 12:56.32 | mumpitze1 | dvs: very new laptop? |
| 12:56.35 | bezaban | recent upgrades with testing broke flash support in chrome for me :( |
| 12:56.47 | zrafa | abrotman: mumpitze1 not anderstand how to run that elf32bit binary |
| 12:56.49 | dvs | mumpitze1: It's about a year old now. |
| 12:56.53 | zrafa | in my amd64 |
| 12:57.04 | dvs | mumpitze1: A10-4500M |
| 12:57.34 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: KEEP in CHANNEL! |
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| 12:58.25 | zrafa | mumpitze1: I mean, if I run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
| 12:58.36 | Iridos | that's weird... why is there no man 8 sniffit? man 5 sniffit mentions its existence |
| 12:58.40 | zrafa | mumpitze1: what am I suppose to do? |
| 12:58.50 | zrafa | mumpitze1: install i386 libraries needed? |
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| 13:02.00 | mumpitze1 | zrafa: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO follow this howto |
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| 13:03.07 | zrafa | niniadcobre: did we follow that link? |
| 13:03.19 | niniadcobre | yep, I did |
| 13:03.35 | niniadcobre | the issue is that we are not sure which lib should we install to get the software running |
| 13:04.05 | niniadcobre | we thought we have to install glibc / libc-bin but that ask me to remove amd64 libs |
| 13:04.08 | zrafa | mumpitze1: we did. It does not say anything. When we tried to run the elf 32bit binary, it says "command not found" |
| 13:04.24 | zrafa | mumpitze1: I read that message when you try to run a binary for another architecture |
| 13:04.48 | mumpitze1 | install libc6 at least. then run "ldd <your binary>. it will show you which libs it needs |
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| 13:06.51 | niniadcobre | mumpitze1: I will try that now |
| 13:07.07 | zrafa | mumpitze1: okey, let me try |
| 13:07.15 | johndo | zrafa: is it really a binary? I don't think when you start a binary it would tell you "command not found" |
| 13:07.25 | zrafa | johndo: yes :) |
| 13:07.35 | mumpitze1 | johndo: it does when a lib is missing |
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| 13:08.28 | jater | Where can I purchase a Debian licence? |
| 13:08.34 | dvs | ??? |
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| 13:08.48 | jater | 0I'm downloading the iso |
| 13:08.51 | mumpitze1 | jater: nowhere. debian is Free software |
| 13:08.52 | zrafa | johndo: that happens as well, when the binary is for the same arch but the libraries are really different (maybe if you mix binaries from distros) or differente libc, etc |
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| 13:09.11 | jater | mumpitze1: No licence? SO I don't official own it? |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | jater: there is no pay-for-license |
| 13:09.43 | mumpitze1 | jater: you can download it for free, legally. and you can make as many copies as you want and give them away or even sell them too. you can however donate to debian. donation is totally voluntary however (SPI which handles donations is a 503c afaik) |
| 13:10.06 | jater | mumpitze1: Who gets the donations? |
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| 13:10.30 | mumpitze1 | jater: you don't own software that you license either. the only software you can own is the one you write yourself. adobe is not selling software, they are selling licenses |
| 13:10.37 | mumpitze1 | the debian project does# |
| 13:11.29 | mumpitze1 | jater: http://www.debian.org/donations for more info about the donations |
| 13:11.30 | jater | What do they spend donations on? Or does it go to each of them induvidually? |
| 13:11.43 | abrotman | jater: hardware, internet services, travel expenses |
| 13:12.13 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: does debian have anyone getting paid? not even DPL does, right? |
| 13:12.25 | RABirk | Thanks, by the way, to the volunteers who have made Debian such a wonderful system |
| 13:12.47 | jater | abrotman: travel expenses? FREE Holidays? |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | jater: for conferences |
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| 13:13.05 | jater | there aren't anyt Debian conferences |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | jater: do you actually need help with Debian? |
| 13:13.13 | abrotman | right .. that's what i thought |
| 13:13.21 | n3rV3 | :) |
| 13:13.30 | jater | These expenses include registering the debian.org domain OMG $6 A YEAR DONATE OR WE DIE |
| 13:13.31 | mumpitze1 | jater: there are http://debconf.org/ |
| 13:13.42 | abrotman | jater: please troll elsewhere |
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| 13:15.04 | jater | abrotman: Have you donated? |
| 13:15.16 | abrotman | jater: you are not required to donate any money or time |
| 13:15.22 | abrotman | or resources of any kind |
| 13:15.36 | mumpitze1 | can someone please quiet him? it's certainly not debian support |
| 13:15.37 | jater | I donated $1345 to Microsoft last year |
| 13:15.47 | jater | at least I appreciate their efforts |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | jater: and, what's your point? |
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| 13:16.18 | jater | I am a loyal user to Ms |
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| 13:16.31 | themill | jater: perhaps you wanted #defocus |
| 13:17.20 | abrotman | odd, yesterday he wanted to write a PHP hosting app |
| 13:17.33 | mumpitze1 | so he is known? |
| 13:17.56 | jimcooncat | I have a .img file (It's a PC-BSD USBLITE install) that I'd like to burn to my USB at /dev/sdg . I am currently using a Squeeze XFCE desktop. What program or command should I run (evidently not Brasero)? |
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| 13:19.19 | dvs | jimcooncat: cat |
| 13:19.22 | mumpitze1 | jimcooncat: what do the pc-bsd folks do? |
| 13:19.32 | mumpitze1 | chances are you can use the same program under debian |
| 13:21.13 | jimcooncat | dvs cat <my.img | /dev/sdg ? doesn't seem right. |
| 13:21.26 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: what does file filename.img say? |
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| 13:22.40 | dvs | jimcooncat: Because it aint: cat my.img > /dev/sdg |
| 13:23.25 | jimcooncat | ChrisH Unix Fast File system [v1] (little endian), ... |
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| 13:23.43 | jimcooncat | dvs, thanks I'll try it |
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| 13:28.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | How can I take a folder of files, check to see if its in a file list, and then delete the file if its not on the list? Im not sure what tool can do that. |
| 13:29.08 | LinuxGuy2020 | *Delete if its on the list* |
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| 13:31.19 | prompt32 | cat the list + grep the name, if its not null => delete it ! |
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| 13:32.22 | LinuxGuy2020 | Or actually might be easier if I could compare two folders of files, allow me to only keep new files. |
| 13:32.44 | niniadcobre | mumpitze1: zrafa it worked like a charm! thanks a lot! 32 bit ELF running perfectly |
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| 13:34.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | nm I got it. diff |
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| 13:50.57 | chrisirc | I forgot where install scripts write their error output to. |
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| 13:51.47 | chrisirc | linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 won't install, for "Errors were encountered". But which? |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | pastebin the whole thing |
| 13:52.35 | chrisirc | Well that's what I'm asking for: *where* to get the errors *from*? |
| 13:53.27 | mumpitzel | chrisirc: apt-get install <stuff> &> log.txt maybe? |
| 13:53.39 | chrisirc | no, it doesn't write to stderr/out |
| 13:53.58 | chrisirc | http://paste.debian.net/33740/ |
| 13:54.02 | chrisirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.50 | chrisirc | Off to hacking the init scripts, I guess. This really should be more user friendly. |
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| 13:55.12 | chrisirc | (Can't imagine what people without scripting capabilities would do.) |
| 13:56.09 | petn-randall | chrisirc: dpkg --configure -a should be more descriptive. |
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| 13:58.03 | chrisirc | dpkg --configure -a outputs nothing. |
| 13:58.03 | dpkg | chrisirc: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:59.13 | chrisirc | Yeah, dpkg or apt, it's a pretty big omission of information. |
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| 14:01.43 | chrisirc | I'm down using strace. |
| 14:01.46 | jelly | chrisirc: can you purge it and retry the installation? |
| 14:01.55 | themill | It's not ready to be configured, it needs to be unpacked still |
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| 14:03.05 | chrisirc | Well, I've got 80% free space in /boot, 337MB in /, 1.3G in /usr |
| 14:03.31 | themill | the full output of "aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" might be enlightening |
| 14:04.46 | jelly | does d-i still suggest a separate /usr, why do people have it in 2013? |
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| 14:09.04 | chrisirc | themill, thanks, odd, I thought apt-get -f install would try to finish, i.e. re-run installation? Why does it not do that? |
| 14:09.24 | chrisirc | thanks since apt-get install / aptitude do try to install and then show the errors. |
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| 14:15.26 | chrisirc | How can I force removal? |
| 14:15.40 | chrisirc | apt-get remove won't do it without further ado as it says, |
| 14:15.59 | chrisirc | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 14:16.03 | chrisirc | Which doesn't work. |
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| 14:16.48 | RABid | I'm installing the debian testing netinstall and, during the mirror listing portion, tried three different mirrors and received errors for each that the repository couldn't be reached, "you should investigate this later" -- what might the problem have been, and are there additional steps I need to take to ensure I have a good install? |
| 14:17.00 | rozie | chrisirc: try to force |
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| 14:17.16 | chrisirc | How? |
| 14:17.19 | abrotman | RABid: proxy perhaps |
| 14:17.33 | chrisirc | Here^s the apt-get install $packname output: http://paste.debian.net/33747/ |
| 14:17.40 | rozie | there was force option in apt-get/dpkg/wajig |
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| 14:17.45 | jordilopezamat | hello debian'ers |
| 14:17.49 | chrisirc | (HELLO* warnings are mine) |
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| 14:18.13 | rozie | dpkg --force-help |
| 14:18.13 | dpkg | rozie: are you using Windows? |
| 14:18.14 | RABid | I don' t have any proxy running -- the laptop on the install is connected by wire to my router |
| 14:18.20 | nkuttler | RABid: also notice that the testing installer is more useful for testing the installer, not installing testing |
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| 14:19.02 | jordilopezamat | ... i've been told to setup a virtual machine based on LXC for testing purposes ... does anybody know how does it compares to, for instance VirtualBox ? |
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| 14:19.08 | themill | chrisirc: anyway -- there's why it's unhappy configuring, and perhaps the prerm or preinst also failed here. |
| 14:19.27 | RABid | nkuttler: that's funny, but it's still supposed to install testing, right? somebody had a similar problem in 2009 (paste the URL?), so I wonder whether it's a bug |
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| 14:20.03 | nkuttler | RABid: it really sounds more like a networking problem |
| 14:20.07 | chrisirc | dpkg --purge --force-all linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 won't do it because some of the script fails too. |
| 14:20.07 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up --force-all linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 won't do it because some of the script fails too. all over chrisirc and choupy... |
| 14:20.42 | chrisirc | Why am I running into such issues so often? Happens several times a year that I'm stuck that way with something. |
| 14:20.50 | RABid | nkuttler: I'll explore further. Thanks |
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| 14:20.53 | chrisirc | I know I can edit the scripts to return 0, now, |
| 14:20.58 | nkuttler | !tell chrisirc about erros |
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| 14:21.01 | nkuttler | !tell chrisirc about errors |
| 14:21.05 | chrisirc | but that's just a huge amount of pain that people have to go throuhg. |
| 14:21.17 | nkuttler | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:21.18 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.46-1; wheezy-security: 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 |
| 14:21.37 | themill | chrisirc: you're probably one of the few people using extlinux as a bootloader |
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| 14:23.09 | chrisirc | aha, not using it to boot! |
| 14:23.23 | chrisirc | Installed that to create some bootable usb stick I guess some time. |
| 14:24.01 | chrisirc | And this is the first time it happens for the kernel. Last time it was something else. |
| 14:24.17 | chrisirc | It's just badly done handling of error cases in dpkg/apt. |
| 14:24.26 | pablo | hello guys, http://pastebin.com/m8ewj2N8 the acpiphp code is loading before the pciehp code. how can I fix this? |
| 14:24.54 | themill | chrisirc: maintainer scripts aren't supposed to failâ„¢. There's not really much more that can be done beyond that. |
| 14:25.14 | chrisirc | Yes, that's my point, they fail several times a year for me, so? |
| 14:25.43 | themill | So thank you for testing debian and helping fix bugs? |
| 14:25.52 | chrisirc | What can be done is to actually provide better force options, so that one can find them, *and* that actually remove even if the scripts fail. |
| 14:26.10 | chrisirc | Since it happens so often, it needs something in the tools. |
| 14:26.11 | nkuttler | chrisirc: no, that sounds like a bad idea |
| 14:26.36 | nkuttler | chrisirc: people will abuse that and end up with packages that weren't uninstalled properly |
| 14:26.44 | themill | No... I'd rather require users to know something about the system rather than give them a --force knob that they'll just frob all the time |
| 14:26.48 | chrisirc | For whom is it better? |
| 14:27.11 | chrisirc | What should I have known about the system rather than have that knob? |
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| 14:27.45 | themill | well you seem not to know the difference between "unpacked" and "configured" in dpkg terms... |
| 14:28.19 | chrisirc | (In this case I needed to know that extlinux was the culprit. Last several times it was the package itself for one reason or the other; I always solved it with script surgery.) |
| 14:28.36 | themill | well extlinux being the culprit was painfully obvious from that output |
| 14:28.41 | chrisirc | What difference do I not know there? |
| 14:28.47 | chrisirc | Of course I know it has several states. |
| 14:28.59 | chrisirc | Why obvious? |
| 14:28.59 | themill | You seem to think that skipping maintainer scripts would be a sane thing to do |
| 14:29.09 | chrisirc | YES |
| 14:29.12 | chrisirc | WHEN I HAVE TO |
| 14:29.15 | themill | No. |
| 14:29.22 | chrisirc | Anyway, getting angry, going off. |
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| 14:32.34 | outlaw84 | I am once more struling with setting up a basic smtp relay... I just want a simple smtp that sends out mail, does anyone have a guide that they know works? I tried with exim4 and sendmail but can't get it right :( |
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| 14:32.51 | Muad`Dib | Hi! I was wondering where you found the munin plugin to graph jenkins builds hosted here: http://jenkins.debian.net/munin/jenkins-month.html ; Thank you in advance! |
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| 14:33.00 | ChrisH | outlaw84: exim4 satelite config |
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| 14:33.26 | ChrisH | outlaw84: relay or sending out? |
| 14:33.32 | gusnan | outlaw84, "struling"? Thats really sounds like Swenglish.. :) |
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| 14:34.05 | alexbariv | hello my friends, i have a little doubt here... i have a clean install without desktop enviroment for a server, but when i boot the system the font of the terminal change like tryng to be smooth, but on the display that i have looks horrible... how can i disable that font behaviour |
| 14:34.28 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: I am no sure what the difference is... I want it to send my mail away to other servers |
| 14:34.46 | crBenLubar | apt-get dist-upgrade uninstalled my kernel and apt-get install linux-image-amd64 won't let me reinstall it |
| 14:34.52 | crBenLubar | I'm on unstable |
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| 14:35.23 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: I do not have another smtp server from my ISP or anything like that, If I had I would just use that one |
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| 14:36.21 | Catbuntu | Hi there |
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| 14:36.30 | Catbuntu | Everything went fine! ^^ |
| 14:36.33 | ChrisH | outlaw84: mails like someone@server1.my.domain should be delivered only internally? Or also delivery to some internet based mailers/addresses? |
| 14:36.56 | themill | alexbariv: «git clone git://git.debian.org/git/users/holger/jenkins.debian.net.git» has it by the looks of things |
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| 14:37.14 | themill | err.... Muad`Dib ^^ |
| 14:37.29 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: delivered only externally, for exemple to gmail, yahoo and others |
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| 14:37.37 | Muad`Dib | themill: Great, thank you! |
| 14:37.38 | themill | crBenLubar: welcome to sid. |
| 14:38.05 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: I ran "exim4 satelite config" nothing is happening :/ |
| 14:38.07 | crBenLubar | themill: so the fix is to pray that I don't have a power outage? |
| 14:38.11 | themill | outlaw84: that's not what people would call a "relay" |
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| 14:38.39 | outlaw84 | themill: what do people call that? |
| 14:38.40 | themill | crBenLubar: see if you can install the new perl and relevant perl modules and then the kernel. |
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| 14:39.17 | outlaw84 | themill: that would explain why I can't find a guide that show what I need |
| 14:39.20 | themill | outlaw84: that's a fully featured MTA and if you're trying to do this from any sort of residential IP space then it's going to fail. |
| 14:39.41 | ChrisH | outlaw84: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and choose the first one, Internetserver |
| 14:40.24 | themill | outlaw84: are you sure you don't have a smarthost from your ISP to pass the mail off to? |
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| 14:40.38 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: I did but some of the others options must be off because once it is setup I get errors about not being able to resolve the remote host |
| 14:40.39 | ChrisH | outlaw84: as themill pointed out, most mailhoster do not accept mails from dialup IPs |
| 14:40.43 | zeev234 | Hi, I try to format my usb stick with ext4. I run this: # umount /dev/sdb1; mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 -L MyDisk_EXT4 . Everything seems to be Ok. Once I mount the disk in Nautilus - I see lost+found folder which is not readable and I can't write anything to the disk. It looks like root owns the mount point and the files inside. How can I make it usable for regular users (without fstab, since I want to have several disks with different partiotion |
| 14:40.46 | zeev234 | s, so I don't want to mention them all in fstab)? |
| 14:40.55 | bhuddah | in case you can't accept email you can't run a full fledged internet host, outlaw84 |
| 14:41.23 | ChrisH | outlaw84: a working DNS is needed before starting to configure a MTA. |
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| 14:41.59 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: I have working dns server in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:42.03 | johndo | alexbariv: have a look at those packages if you have installed them: console-setup console-setup-linux kbd keyboard-configuration xkb-data |
| 14:42.29 | johndo | alexbariv: if you only want to have a ASCII console you may just purge that ballast |
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| 14:42.42 | alexbariv | thansk johndo, i didit with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 14:42.54 | outlaw84 | http://pastebin.com/SUkyBcjs |
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| 14:43.53 | crBenLubar | themill: linux-base -> libuuid-perl -> perl-base 5.14.2 but I have perl 5.18.1 |
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| 14:44.17 | themill | crBenLubar: yes |
| 14:44.51 | themill | outlaw84: is this from home? |
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| 14:46.04 | outlaw84 | themill: yea it is from the server, where I am having problem with the mail |
| 14:46.29 | themill | outlaw84: looks like your ISP does not permit you to run a mailserver like this |
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| 14:47.41 | ChrisH | outlaw84: or your local forewall rules... check traceroute|ping mx-eu.mail.am0.yahoodns.net and telnet mx-eu.mail.am0.yahoodns.net smtp |
| 14:48.05 | johndo | zeev234: change the owner and permissions on the stick as you like them (you will have to do that once as root) |
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| 14:48.19 | outlaw84 | themill: Yea, thanks that does seams to be the problem :/ |
| 14:48.27 | bhuddah | outlaw84: sending mail is nothing you can or should try from your home. but of course you can try it. however, without appropriate reverse dns you can not expect to reach the large mail providers. |
| 14:49.01 | crBenLubar | will apt-get allow me to downgrade perl somehow |
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| 14:49.37 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: Yea, i tried with telnet and compared with a server that I setup before, there it works toward mx-eu.mail.am0.yahoodns.net but not on the new one. |
| 14:49.38 | themill | crBenLubar: no |
| 14:49.42 | crBenLubar | :/ |
| 14:50.05 | ChrisH | outlaw84: local firewalls in place? |
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| 14:50.38 | themill | crBenLubar: however, as I said earlier, libuuid-perl depends on perl 5.18 not perl 5.14 now. |
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| 14:51.37 | outlaw84 | ChrisH: Yea, the hosting company who setup the firewall was intrusted to allow all outgoing trafic, seams they did not make it that way after all... |
| 14:51.46 | outlaw84 | *instructed |
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| 14:56.09 | RABid | my Debian testing installation is finished and I was able to connect fine to the internet, but the mirrors still aren't working. From sources.list: "Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify" |
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| 14:56.22 | RABid | I'm able to ping different mirrors |
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| 14:57.43 | bhuddah | RABid: comment them back in and see if it works? |
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| 14:59.50 | RABid | arg, I can't believe Debian installs without Vim |
| 15:00.01 | n3rV3 | it has vim.tiny |
| 15:00.38 | RABid | thanks |
| 15:01.00 | themill | So how did you test that it doesn't have vim? |
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| 15:02.18 | zeev234 | johndo: thanks |
| 15:02.37 | RABid | apt-get update seems to have worked, so maybe the installer was just lying |
| 15:03.12 | RABid | I tried to open sources.list using vim and it didn't work, but vim.tiny did |
| 15:03.46 | n3rV3 | you'll have to install vim |
| 15:03.47 | Iridos | err... that's strange. seems on my local X display access is done with xhost, not via cookies (see http://paste.debian.net/33764/ ) |
| 15:04.07 | RABid | n3rV3 apt-get install vim I shall |
| 15:04.17 | Iridos | how could that happen... and can switch "back" to magic cookies without logging out? |
| 15:04.18 | Muad`Dib | themill: the plugins do work perfect (although I have a problem related to the parsing of project names), now I wonder if I could submit them through github/munin-monitoring |
| 15:04.41 | themill | Muad`Dib: I'm sure the jenkins.d.n people would love to talk to you about them some more |
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| 15:06.42 | Muad`Dib | themill: I'm on it, I'll talk with them on the chan and I'll let you know if I have an interesting answer |
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| 15:11.50 | labatesa | Is possible extend / in 200MB in lvm encrypted? |
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| 15:13.58 | labatesa | 200 mb in /var to / |
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| 15:14.36 | labatesa | because instalaiton linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae have a error, for device full space |
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| 15:15.34 | Iridos | seems I can ... there's still a valid xauthority file in the gdm3 directory... it's just not the one still in my environment |
| 15:15.36 | Iridos | weird |
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| 15:17.27 | ChrisH | labatesa: LVM increase is possible, if there is free space in LVM left over. |
| 15:17.57 | labatesa | i have 2.2 GB free space in /var |
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| 15:18.08 | labatesa | i need decrase 200 mb to / |
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| 15:18.21 | labatesa | for instalicion package linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 15:19.01 | labatesa | i usei debian wheezy with lvm encrypted |
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| 15:19.06 | OxxY | hey, I have readynas that runs some modified Debian. During a raid repair the unit decided to throw the entire filetable. If i SSH into the unit and login as root I can see my directories using "ls", BUT if i try to enter them I get "no such file or directory" |
| 15:19.36 | OxxY | is there a tool that can do a filesystem check of some sort to try and see if my data is lost, or the filetable can somehow be repaired? |
| 15:19.55 | ChrisH | labatesa: please run these two commands lvs and vgs and paste them incl the output on paste.debian.net |
| 15:20.20 | labatesa | ChrisH: ok |
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| 15:22.16 | labatesa | $ lvs =bash: lvs: command not found |
| 15:22.25 | labatesa | $ vgs bash: vgs: command not found |
| 15:22.32 | ChrisH | labatesa: run as root |
| 15:22.47 | labatesa | ahh sorry |
| 15:22.50 | labatesa | ok |
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| 15:24.11 | labatesa | ChrisH: for lvs: http://paste.debian.net/33777/ for vgs: http://paste.debian.net/33778/ |
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| 15:25.24 | pederindi | How to get lightdm's screenshot of debian ? Thanks |
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| 15:26.12 | labatesa | pederindi: Use your mobile and take photo :) |
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| 15:26.35 | pederindi | labatesa: good one! xD |
| 15:27.20 | jelly | pederindi: you might run scrot as root, setting the correct values for XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY env. vars first |
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| 15:28.42 | jelly | so figure out where the X server process keeps the xauth data, and which X display it is if not :0 |
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| 15:29.02 | jelly | eg. my kdm starts X like this: /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-ztsgvb |
| 15:29.04 | DNS | y0 is that a debian or firefox thingy that the button/link to erase private/offline is missing in iceweasel 23? |
| 15:29.35 | labatesa | ChrisH: ? |
| 15:29.56 | DNS | *private/offline data |
| 15:29.57 | ChrisH | labatesa: VFree is 0 :( Its allways a good idea not to assign all free space at the beginning. I would remove swap_1 and increase root and recreate swap using less space. |
| 15:30.05 | jelly | pederindi: this would indicate running something like "export DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/var/run/xauth/A:0-ztsgvb; chvt 7; sleep 3; scrot kdm.png" might work |
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| 15:32.21 | pederindi | sorry for confusion, but I'm asking to get this background: http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/l/lightdm/9743_large.png It's not to report problems / bugs, is to get a background. Now i'm running i3 directly with .xinitrc and I don't have a background of debian |
| 15:32.53 | pederindi | I know how to get a gray background, but I would like to show debian |
| 15:32.53 | jelly | pederindi: oh, you just want to set the background? |
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| 15:32.59 | DNS | nobody uses ff23 and wonders why its not in extras menu? |
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| 15:33.17 | pederindi | jelly: yes :) i'm searching the .png file in the system |
| 15:33.19 | DNS | im speakin about iceweasel ofc |
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| 15:34.58 | pederindi | jelly: anyway, I will note your proceeds, if one day I have similar needs |
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| 15:36.25 | pederindi | ok, got it via web, thanks: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Artwork/Wheezy |
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| 15:40.06 | jelly | pederindi: good, because I wasn't able to find it on my wheezy system... Found some others in /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ |
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| 15:47.40 | goose | I'm looking at getting a new laptop soon, as my current one is near the end of its life. One major issue I ran into with my current laptop was driver compatability in Debian. What brands/laptops do you guys recommend that have good driver compatability with debian? |
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| 15:48.30 | dvs | goose: Get an older laptop. You'll have more trouble getting drivers with brand new models. |
| 15:49.18 | goose | Alright. Any particular brands to stay away from? My current is an HP and I ran into a ton of issues with my touchpad mouse, touchscreen, and fingerprint reader |
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| 15:50.02 | babilen | goose: The general recommendation is: thinkpad, thinkpad, thinkpad |
| 15:50.03 | pixy | hi, i chrooted and mounted /proc , /sys then i exited without "umount" would this cause any problem ? |
| 15:50.17 | goose | babilen: alright. thank you for the advice, I'll start checking them out. |
| 15:50.18 | Vicissitude | goose, thinkpenguin.com makes it a lot easier |
| 15:50.20 | dvs | goose: Yeah, Lenovo is a good brand |
| 15:50.24 | goose | hi Doc :) |
| 15:50.28 | Vicissitude | hiya |
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| 15:51.50 | yeehi | I would like to create a clone of an encrypted debian installation. The system is on sda. The backed up image would be on sdb, which is a larger drive. I would do this so that I could copy over from sdb to sda if sda becomes corrupted. 1) if I am logged into debian on sda already, and can see the files, will the cloned image be decrypted? 2) There are other files on sdb that I would like to keep. Will t |
| 15:51.51 | yeehi | hey be overwritten? 3) What is the command to do this? (I think dd is easiest.) |
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| 15:52.38 | martin-_- | hi, i get Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r816 how can i fix this? |
| 15:53.13 | dvs | martin-_-: firmware-realtek? |
| 15:53.40 | martin-_- | y |
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| 15:56.34 | dvs | martin-_-: shoot, its in jessie |
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| 15:57.44 | pixy | hi, i chrooted and mounted /proc , /sys then i exited without "umount" would this cause any problem ? |
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| 15:59.30 | mumpitzel | pixy: normally not. check "mount" if it's still mounted |
| 15:59.51 | mumpitzel | pixy: normally you need to bind mount before you chroot however |
| 16:00.29 | evelyette | hi, I downloaded debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, but when loading it into VM (booting from iso), only the '_' appear on the screen and nothing happens ... any ideas why? |
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| 16:01.25 | ChrisH | evelyette: check the iso using md5sum |
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| 16:02.28 | PoG | babilen, my awstats issue earlier WAS a plesk panel update fuck up |
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| 16:03.01 | PoG | thanks for your help though |
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| 16:03.51 | jelly | evelyette: is your virtual environment capable of booting 64bit linux? |
| 16:04.30 | evelyette | 465a3e6a106152a3227262aa5bbbe357 debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 16:04.34 | evelyette | jelly, yes of course :) |
| 16:04.50 | mumpitzel | evelyette: which VM software? and which host CPU? |
| 16:05.07 | mumpitzel | evelyette: have you tried a i386 netinst iso? |
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| 16:06.20 | evelyette | mumpitzel, it's xeon and esxi |
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| 16:06.38 | evelyette | no I haven't, I'll try i386, but I was wondering: why not install x64 if my machine is capable of doing it ? |
| 16:06.58 | mumpitzel | with that it's unlikely it's a 32bit issue |
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| 16:07.34 | evelyette | there's no debian 7 in the OS drop-down, so I selected debian 6 (64 bit), which should be fine |
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| 16:12.13 | ChrisH | evelyette: I did install different Debian 64bit versions onto ESXi successfully. But I allways use netinstaller images for installations. |
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| 16:15.33 | evelyette | ChrisH, the same happens when booting 64-bit net install .. I forgot to mention that the '_' is displayed in the Console of ESXi ... |
| 16:18.16 | Companion | e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx |
| 16:18.17 | Companion | <- That is caused by Samba when opening a large directory, it does not happen when using FTP/SCP/SSH/DLNA |
| 16:18.33 | Companion | hrm weird 2 lines due typing >.< |
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| 16:20.53 | bullgard4 | [Wheezy] What is the function of the directory /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? It contains 6 executable files: 000resolvconf, avahi-autoipd, avahi-daemon, mountnfs, ntpdate, openssh-server, upstart. (wpasupplicat ist a softlink to ../../wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh .) |
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| 16:21.10 | doebi | i created an live usb stick using dd. how can i increase the size of the partition on my stick? |
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| 16:22.11 | bullgard4 | doebi: You can use GParted. |
| 16:22.23 | doebi | how? |
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| 16:22.33 | doebi | the entry move/resize is greyed out |
| 16:23.52 | bullgard4 | doebi: Use a live CD. |
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| 16:23.57 | cousin_luigi | Hello. |
| 16:24.07 | Companion | Are my questions too confusing or am I being irrelivant? >.< |
| 16:24.34 | os7een | hi all, I have a question, for example, if I do 'aptitude search pkg', the output may be 'idA pkg', which means that the package is currently installed as an dependency to some another package, and that it will be remove, but my question is, when it will be removed, as you can just 'aptitude reinstall pkg' and the new output will be 'i A pkg' , thanks |
| 16:24.38 | nonconvergent | Try being irreverant instead. |
| 16:25.22 | cousin_luigi | Any idea why a variable configured in /etc/sysctl.conf (or /etc/sysctl.d/) would not be set at the next reboot? |
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| 16:25.35 | bullgard4 | Companion: Your question is not irrelevant. But I do not know the answer. I have abandoned Samba. |
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| 16:25.56 | Companion | bullgard4, its not samba related it is a kernel/module issue |
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| 16:26.01 | Companion | I gues *shrug* |
| 16:26.15 | doebi | bullgard4: i am not on live system. i booted frm my everyday-debian |
| 16:26.22 | doebi | and still cant edit the live usb stick |
| 16:27.27 | bullgard4 | doebi: But you will need a live CD for the operation I suggested. |
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| 16:28.42 | doebi | why |
| 16:28.45 | doebi | ? |
| 16:28.45 | SavvyID | hm hi |
| 16:28.50 | Companion | how do I install the latest e1000e kernel module for my distro? o.0 |
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| 16:29.17 | SavvyID | that comes with your kernel Companion |
| 16:29.26 | Companion | so this kernel is bugged >.< |
| 16:29.34 | SavvyID | what kernel, what distro? |
| 16:29.56 | Companion | Debian Wheezy - 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 16:30.12 | SavvyID | e1000e working for me last time I used that kernel |
| 16:30.22 | SavvyID | it's intel gigabit? |
| 16:30.26 | Companion | SavvyID, yes |
| 16:30.35 | Asenar | Hi, I m using Debian Wheezy, can you help me with that error when apt-get upgrade : "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-1.fw for module r8169" ? |
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| 16:30.42 | SavvyID | yeah that's working.. is it a complaint about 'firmware' or.. ? |
| 16:30.52 | SavvyID | cause you can ignore the firmware complaint |
| 16:31.03 | bullgard4 | Companion: You say that you are having a kernel/module issue. I notices that you copied an output line. But I cannot see the problem that you are having. Can you re-word your problem in the format of a question? |
| 16:31.10 | Companion | It started at last kernel upgrade |
| 16:31.16 | goose | I'm about to do a server upgrade from squeeze to wheezy; is there a way I can disable cronjobs without removing them, to prevent things from starting up after reboot until I'm done? |
| 16:31.47 | SavvyID | Companion, hm maybe a bug then |
| 16:31.57 | Companion | bullgard4, my network gets in 'not ready' status when loading a large directory of files and movies |
| 16:32.01 | Asenar | (and I'm stuck at kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 : 3.2.0-4 and 3.9 don't work) |
| 16:32.05 | SavvyID | but you have an output for it or something? what happens if you type modprobe e1000e as root? |
| 16:32.25 | Companion | SavvyID, gimme a sec |
| 16:32.49 | Companion | SavvyID, did it now doing the directory load |
| 16:33.03 | SavvyID | or maybe check dmesg |
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| 16:33.07 | Companion | network died again >.< |
| 16:33.25 | Companion | dmesg does not tell much tho |
| 16:33.28 | SavvyID | very odd |
| 16:33.35 | nonconvergent | Asenar: You're missing some firmware I bet. |
| 16:33.40 | SavvyID | dmesg | grep e100 maybe |
| 16:33.41 | Companion | and network died again >.< |
| 16:33.56 | Companion | SavvyID, could it be some thing with 'caching' ? |
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| 16:33.58 | Asenar | yes, but I don't know why nor how to fix it :/ |
| 16:34.22 | SavvyID | Companion, doubtful, you don't have a cache I guess? |
| 16:34.24 | bullgard4 | Companion: My e1000e has never shown this message. (But I have never tried to copy a large directory full of movies.) - Can't help you. |
| 16:34.30 | nonconvergent | Asenar: PCI nics or wireless cards? |
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| 16:34.58 | SavvyID | hm you're trying to copy all these movies at once? |
| 16:34.59 | Companion | bullgard4, listing or opening a certain tree causes it |
| 16:35.08 | Companion | SavvyID, lol no way xD |
| 16:35.11 | SavvyID | nfs? |
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| 16:35.44 | SavvyID | i'm lost here lol. If it's truly a kernel module problem try the kernel from liquorix.net, it'll work ok |
| 16:36.08 | SavvyID | I had to use it here because of a poor/old wireless driver that was apparently no good for this particular card |
| 16:36.17 | Companion | SavvyID, I did got an nfs error before tho |
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| 16:36.34 | SavvyID | well, nfs is a bitch btw. |
| 16:36.43 | SavvyID | a real dog to setup and make it work |
| 16:36.46 | Companion | SavvyID, hard drive is ext4 tho |
| 16:36.53 | nonconvergent | Asenar: what's the output of lspci -nn | grep [Ee]thernet and lspci -nn | grep [Nn]etwork |
| 16:36.56 | doebi | i created an live usb stick using dd. how can i increase the size of the partition on my stick? |
| 16:36.57 | SavvyID | ext4 should be fine.. |
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| 16:37.02 | Mike9863 | My external mouse and keyboard stopped working for some reason. I'm sure they will work if I restart my computer but I'd rather not do that. Does anyone know of a way for me to refresh them being detected or something? I tried removing and inserting the USB dongle but that didn't work. |
| 16:37.09 | Asenar | nonconvergent, 03:00.0 Ethernet controller. but in fact sorry, that's not my main problem, the ethernet card works fine... I have a video problem and I don't know what |
| 16:37.11 | SavvyID | BTW guys, anyone know how I can put in a request for a backport? |
| 16:37.19 | Companion | SavvyID, thats what I hoped for :P |
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| 16:37.43 | Asenar | http://vpaste.net/BKzUS for the output for grep PCI |
| 16:37.56 | ZIPY | !utc |
| 16:37.56 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. |
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| 16:38.01 | Companion | bullgard4, still thanks for your attempt tho |
| 16:38.13 | SavvyID | I'd like to get ekiga 4.01 into backports if i can |
| 16:38.24 | Asenar | but my real problem is I m stuck with 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and I don't think it's related |
| 16:38.29 | Companion | SavvyID, what is that liquirix.net btw? |
| 16:38.32 | SavvyID | Companion, certainly try another kernel, 3.2.. seems a bitch sketchy |
| 16:38.36 | nonconvergent | Asenar: Not what I wanted. I wented the entire output. Every time I see that error it's about missing firmware for a realtek nic, and I get something similiar despite networking working fine. |
| 16:38.44 | SavvyID | Companion, a desktop performance/gaming/media kernel |
| 16:38.50 | Companion | hrm |
| 16:38.53 | bullgard4 | doebi: GParted needs your partition (on the thumb dirve) be unmounted. When you unmount your thumb drive in your regular operating system, you will have no longer access to it. |
| 16:38.54 | SavvyID | but it will get you easily up to kernel 3.10 |
| 16:38.55 | Asenar | ok, sorry |
| 16:38.56 | nonconvergent | Asenar: If you're having graphics problems, that's most likely a different error. |
| 16:38.57 | Companion | its a simply storrage server >.< |
| 16:39.28 | SavvyID | Companion, hm, and problems only occured when upgrading the kernel? |
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| 16:39.58 | nonconvergent | Asenar: And you didn't use -nn like I told you either. |
| 16:40.06 | Asenar | http://vpaste.net/KTJvK |
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| 16:40.34 | Asenar | yes, I typed the command before you asked it, sorry |
| 16:40.36 | nonconvergent | judd pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 16:40.37 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 16:40.53 | SavvyID | If you're good at building your own kernel, it's what I'd do.. 3.4.60 or something |
| 16:40.57 | habstinat | Trying to backport xcb-util-wm-0.3.9 (version in Wheezy) to Squeeze. I installed the dependencies and sources, extracted them, and did a "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc", but after a few seconds of building I get this error: <http://sprunge.us/PDfC> Any ideas as to what I could do to fix this and get it to build? |
| 16:40.58 | Companion | SavvyID, would it work on this? http://www.twp.nl/server-TWPSS1328714327 :P |
| 16:41.00 | SavvyID | from vanilla |
| 16:41.05 | Companion | SavvyID, yea |
| 16:41.19 | Companion | I got the expansion(s) of it too btw |
| 16:41.23 | SavvyID | shit i dunno lol |
| 16:41.44 | SavvyID | work, i dunno about performance.. depends how many cpus it has |
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| 16:42.03 | Companion | SavvyID, I got that box combined with 4x the 88 slotter expansion |
| 16:42.23 | SavvyID | build a custom kernel imo. |
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| 16:42.33 | nonconvergent | Asenar: Alright, that'll probably want some non-free firmware from package firmware-realtek. It's old enough that it's clearly already in your kernel or else you'd have other problems. Its just a needy nancy about firmware sometimes. |
| 16:42.42 | SavvyID | I never use packaged kernels for servers |
| 16:42.58 | nonconvergent | Asenar: What's your graphics problem? |
| 16:43.05 | Asenar | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 16:43.21 | Asenar | when running glxinfo |
| 16:43.24 | nonconvergent | Yeah, those two are COMPLETELY unrelated. |
| 16:43.52 | SavvyID | and liquorix ought to work.. but don't expect it to give good performance on server, maybe just as a way to test if a new kernel will do it |
| 16:44.19 | SavvyID | bearing in mind, grub/lilo will get setup for you to use either kernel i believe |
| 16:44.31 | SavvyID | or just manually edit |
| 16:44.50 | cousin_luigi | sysctl.conf is being ignored, any hints? |
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| 16:45.34 | doebi | bullgard4: so i have booted using a live usb stick and now trying to change the size of the partition on ANOTHER live usb stick. and still no success. |
| 16:45.41 | Companion | SavvyID, which command should I execute to upgrade the kernel? |
| 16:45.59 | nonconvergent | Asenar: lspci -nn | grep [Nn][Vv]idia |
| 16:46.01 | Asenar | and, I don't know why but if I choose "3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64" at boot all works correctly (or kind of), but if I try an higher the X doesn't load |
| 16:46.18 | Companion | SavvyID, that machine has no CPU :P |
| 16:46.30 | Artemis3 | cousin_luigi, ownership? file permissions? typo inside? |
| 16:46.32 | SavvyID | cousin_luigi, in /etc/rc.local .. add the line sysctl -P /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:46.44 | SavvyID | no.. sorry sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:46.46 | Asenar | http://vpaste.net/9sEYD |
| 16:46.58 | somiaj | Asenar: what video driver are you using? |
| 16:47.12 | nonconvergent | somiaj: nvidia it looks like |
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| 16:47.23 | bullgard4 | doebi: Is the partition in question still grayed out? |
| 16:47.27 | somiaj | Asenar: what method did you use to install the nvidia non-free drivers? |
| 16:47.46 | somiaj | Asenar: most likely you don't have the nvidia drivers compiled for your newer kernel |
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| 16:47.54 | SavvyID | Companion, is it amd64? |
| 16:48.01 | doebi | the entry 'move/resize' is greyed out |
| 16:48.07 | nonconvergent | If I had to guess, I'd say it's because there is no nvidia backport in wheezy-backports and he doesn't have nouveau to fallback on. |
| 16:48.23 | Companion | SavvyID, yea |
| 16:48.26 | nonconvergent | I ran into the same thing last night, only I did have nouveau to fall back on, and never noticed. :P |
| 16:48.27 | Companion | headers and image? |
| 16:48.32 | somiaj | nonconvergent: it totally depends on how he installed the drivers |
| 16:48.34 | bullgard4 | doebi: And is it unmounted? |
| 16:48.39 | doebi | yeah |
| 16:48.39 | SavvyID | apt-get install linux-image-liquorix-amd64 |
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| 16:48.53 | doebi | mount is greyed aswell |
| 16:48.54 | Companion | SavvyID, how about the headers? o.0 |
| 16:49.06 | somiaj | nonconvergent: if he installed the package nvidia-kernel-dkms and the headers for his kernel the module is compiled for each kernel |
| 16:49.10 | doebi | i can only do Delete, Format to and manage flags |
| 16:49.12 | SavvyID | don't worry about them unless it self installs or you need an externel driver built outside the kernel |
| 16:49.20 | somiaj | nonconvergent: but I think there is a problem with the drivers compling against the 3.10 kernel that you may have to patch |
| 16:49.29 | somiaj | SavvyID: that isn't a supported debian kernel. (: |
| 16:49.32 | Companion | SavvyID, it self installs :P |
| 16:49.56 | SavvyID | somiaj, of course not, but I only suggest it as a means to test |
| 16:50.06 | cousin_luigi | Artemis3: it's world-readable |
| 16:50.13 | SavvyID | ie was it a bug caused by kernel |
| 16:50.22 | Asenar | I'm not sure about how I installed it first, but it was probably with apt-get install nvidia. do you want I check on apt logs , |
| 16:50.28 | cousin_luigi | SavvyID: I had already tried, will try again with the specific configuration file |
| 16:50.36 | Asenar | ? |
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| 16:50.59 | nonconvergent | somiaj: where would we find that information out? |
| 16:51.14 | SavvyID | ah ok |
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| 16:52.04 | bullgard4 | doebi: The only explanation I have is that your running operating system is from another USB thumb drive and they both interfere via the USB. |
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| 16:52.56 | doebi | bullgard4: i only want to change the size of a partition |
| 16:53.15 | somiaj | nonconvergent: what info? |
| 16:53.25 | somiaj | Asenar: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel-dkms (do you have that package installed)? |
| 16:53.34 | somiaj | Asenar: if so did you install the -headers package for your backported kernel |
| 16:53.41 | Asenar | yes |
| 16:53.44 | Asenar | but that's weird |
| 16:53.49 | Asenar | ii nvidia-kernel-dkms 304.88-1+deb7u1 i386 NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source |
| 16:53.55 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Only thing I've come across is #717184 in nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 16:54.09 | somiaj | Asenar: try 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' and read teh output make sure it compiles a driver for your new kernel |
| 16:54.22 | nonconvergent | ...dont' we have a bot for that? |
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| 16:54.55 | jimcooncat | I am now booting to a grub rescue prompt, says it can't recognize the filesystem, I don't know what to do. I have a wheezy livecd available. Is there a tool I can run from the livecd? |
| 16:55.16 | Companion | SavvyID, hapened again Q.Q |
| 16:56.37 | Asenar | DKMS: install completed. |
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| 16:57.45 | Asenar | it seems that worked |
| 16:58.40 | Asenar | I will reboot, thanks you all |
| 16:58.58 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yea that is the bug report I had to use. I had to install the patch linked in that bugreport, but it got me able to compile that version of the nvidia driver against the 3.10 kernel on my sid box |
| 16:59.18 | somiaj | nonconvergent: but i'm unsure if it effects the backported kernel or not |
| 16:59.41 | nonconvergent | Oh, I didn't see a patch. |
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| 17:00.16 | somiaj | nonconvergent: are you actually having issues with the nvidia drivers on the backported 3.10 kernel? |
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| 17:00.37 | nonconvergent | somiaj: aside from wouldn't build, nope. |
| 17:00.45 | SavvyID | Companion, something odd going on with that |
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| 17:00.59 | Companion | SavvyID, well it did 3 things |
| 17:01.24 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you have the -headers installed? rerun 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' and let me see the output of it failing to build. |
| 17:01.40 | Companion | SavvyID, it broke my KVM (No problem tho), It made the boot/performance higher (Yay!), It dint fixed the problem |
| 17:02.22 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I'll need a sec. I removed the package last night and went with nouveau. |
| 17:02.30 | nonconvergent | I shouldn't cludge when sleepy. |
| 17:02.53 | cousin_luigi | SavvyID: much better, thanks |
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| 17:03.05 | Asenar | thanks you again, this fixed my main problem : I m not able to use 3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 . but I still have the error Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 17:03.06 | jimcooncat | "type rescue at the boot: prompt" -- I don't see such a prompt |
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| 17:03.28 | cousin_luigi | ok, sysctl problem solved, but radvd still won't start at boot |
| 17:04.39 | nonconvergent | Asenar: What kernel are you currently using? Is that what you used to run the commands somiaj just gave you? |
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| 17:04.43 | cousin_luigi | actually it won't even "restart" properly |
| 17:05.04 | Asenar | uname --all give me this: Linux erian 3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.9.6-1~bpo70+1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:05.22 | nonconvergent | Muh, okay then. |
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| 17:05.58 | Asenar | and the output of dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms uninstalled a lot of thing and installed something which allowed me to use that kernel (was previously stuck with 3.4.0-0) |
| 17:06.09 | somiaj | nonconvergent: on my debian box, I'm using 3.10 in sid, not sure the exact nvidia version as I don't keep my sid box up to date. Right now I'm waiting for the perl transition to finish in sid as I don't want to fuck with upgrading (it works fine now) |
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| 17:06.44 | somiaj | Asenar: oh you are fine, I belive the 3.10 kernel is the one nvidia doesn't compile against, but the 3.9 probabaly worked. |
| 17:06.47 | somiaj | Asenar: did it work for you? |
| 17:07.08 | Asenar | yes the 3.9 works |
| 17:07.21 | somiaj | Asenar: well I will help nonconvergent get nvidia working with 3.10 and if it is good, maybe he'll help you in return. (: |
| 17:07.28 | cousin_luigi | is /etc/rc.local run after every other service? |
| 17:08.05 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 (x86_64) |
| 17:08.08 | nonconvergent | Consult /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/304.88/build/make.log for more information. |
| 17:08.15 | Asenar | but I still have a problem about glsgears "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual" I need for gource :/ |
| 17:08.24 | Asenar | you already helped me a lot :) |
| 17:08.33 | nonconvergent | ... |
| 17:08.38 | nonconvergent | kicks pastebinit |
| 17:09.06 | somiaj | nonconvergent: have you ever applied a patch before? |
| 17:09.13 | nonconvergent | ...it's just giving me http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 17:09.17 | nonconvergent | Nope. |
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| 17:09.58 | nonconvergent | Was trying to pastebin the log. |
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| 17:10.12 | somiaj | nonconvergent: also this patch was written for a different version so I can't guarentee it will work, but do you want to try it? |
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| 17:11.24 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Sure. |
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| 17:11.41 | nonconvergent | http://pastebin.com/JDpkR3kt This one? |
| 17:11.49 | somiaj | nonconvergent: step one, http://pastebin.com/JDpkR3kt, copy that file and put it in nvidia.patch |
| 17:11.58 | somiaj | nonconvergent: $HOME/ is a fine place to put it |
| 17:12.57 | pirret | Hello, i just noticed i have only few lines on my auth.log, and those lines are from before i updated my new VPS from squeeze (didn't have an option to install wheezy) to wheezy. so somehow update process broke syslog or something. any suggestions how to fix or investigate? |
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| 17:13.53 | somiaj | pirret: have you tried to reinstall syslog, maybe /msg dpkg confmiss and make sure it reinstalls the new config file |
| 17:14.26 | somiaj | pirret: also /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 17:15.08 | codswallop | test |
| 17:15.28 | nonconvergent | somiaj: did that |
| 17:16.08 | nonconvergent | codswallop: I'll give you C for the effort, but you're going to have to do better if you expect to pass this course on time. |
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| 17:17.52 | johskar | I got these 6 250GB laptop SATA drives I wanna put to use, I'm gonna put some vm's on them with KVM/libvirt, what would be best? mdadm Raid10 with someos on top or btrfs Raid10? (open for other sugestions too) |
| 17:18.53 | somiaj | nonconvergent: as root, cd /usr/src, and then cd into the nvidia directory in there? |
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| 17:20.01 | nonconvergent | I'm there. |
| 17:20.08 | jelly-home | johskar: with was your intended geometry, 3x2 raid10, no hot spares? |
| 17:20.36 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I"m playing a bit blind here, but inside the nvidie directory run 'patch -p1 <$HOME/nvidia.patch' |
| 17:20.42 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you will have to do it as root too |
| 17:21.14 | johskar | jelly-home: something like that |
| 17:21.41 | jelly-home | raid arrays with no hot spares give me the willies |
| 17:21.52 | johskar | ;-P |
| 17:21.59 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you may get some errors, so paste the output (hence what I mean by going blind) |
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| 17:23.27 | johskar | jelly-home: got hot spares on the hw raid-6 array for storage, don't need on these, the drives just need something to do, they were collecting dust and I had spare SATA headers and lots of ideas of VMs play with :-P |
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| 17:24.07 | nonconvergent | somiaj: it's kind of just sitting there. No output yet. |
| 17:24.53 | jelly-home | johskar: a small number of non-io-intensive VMs might just be the trick |
| 17:25.37 | somiaj | nonconvergent: no output? |
| 17:26.34 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I was expecting something like 'what file to patch' question |
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| 17:27.19 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you coppied the whole patch file (just making sure) |
| 17:27.19 | nonconvergent | somiaj: It just hung at root@yggdrasil:/usr/src/nvidia-304.88# patch -p1 /home/neuromancer/nvidia.patch |
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| 17:27.32 | johskar | jelly-home: yes, just can't decide wether do go btrfs raid or something else with mdadm <-- always have problems deciding silly things :-P |
| 17:27.34 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you didn't copy the command correct, crtl-c |
| 17:28.09 | jelly-home | johskar: btrfs? I guess you either have a good backup system or don't really need that data |
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| 17:28.32 | jelly-home | and if you don't need it, you might as well save on power and leave the disks in the cupboard |
| 17:29.24 | jelly-home | (hint: don't use filesystems that say they're alpha quality. Also, don't use released filesystems first 3-5 years) |
| 17:29.24 | ikari | So, now that ia32-libs is gone, what is the recommended way to get proprietary 32-bit binaries running?(Not a deb) |
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| 17:29.41 | jelly-home | ikari: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 17:29.45 | nonconvergent | dpkg: !tell ikari multiarch |
| 17:29.45 | dpkg | nonconvergent: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:29.55 | nonconvergent | Fine, be that way. |
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| 17:30.05 | johskar | jelly-home: as I said, storage is done on a hardware raid-6 with hot-spares so no, don't care bout the data on this "play" array, but don't want to play with stuff on the storage array, guess I'll just jump in it and see how it goes and when all else fails go back to mdadm and ext2 :-P |
| 17:30.12 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you don't need to address dpkg with ! |
| 17:30.20 | somiaj | !tell ikari about multiarch |
| 17:30.24 | jelly-home | !syntax |
| 17:30.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, syntax is hard |
| 17:30.34 | ikari | jelly-home: nonconvergent: not a DEB. |
| 17:31.01 | jelly-home | ikari: and yet, the 32bit libs ARE DEBS THAT YOU NEED MULTIARCH TO INSTALL |
| 17:31.08 | jelly-home | </yelling> |
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| 17:31.10 | ikari | I read that, and I understand how to install 32 packages from debs or from the repos, but... |
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| 17:31.43 | ikari | jelly-home: Thank you. So, I guess what I'm asking is: Is there a resource that explains standard libs that were installed with ia32-libs |
| 17:32.08 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JDpkR3kt I pasted this into nvidia.patch, verbatim, and ran the patch. |
| 17:32.14 | nonconvergent | shrugs |
| 17:33.04 | jelly-home | ikari: yes. ia32-libs still exists, but is now a metapackage |
| 17:33.14 | tremon | you mean a list like this? http://packages.debian.org/jessie/ia32-libs-i386 |
| 17:33.15 | johskar | failure, phear me! Here I come! |
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| 17:33.30 | nonconvergent | So I didn't screw up the task of copying and pasting a file |
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| 17:34.04 | jelly-home | ikari: I'd still use ldd to figure out and install just the ones really needed for your particular app |
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| 17:35.09 | jelly-home | ikari: so. enable multiarch, enable i386 foreign architecture, update, install libc6:i386, use ldd and apt-file for great justice |
| 17:35.28 | ikari | tremon: Yes, a list like that. I was just politely asking if there was a convenient new meta-package that could actually still be installed.(ia32-libs and ia32-libs-i386 is broken in testing) |
| 17:36.08 | nonconvergent | ikari: No. don't use ia32-libs now. Do what jelly-home said. |
| 17:36.09 | ikari | jelly-home: Great advice, thank you. I'll start there |
| 17:36.28 | cousin_luigi | radvd won't start at boot: any ideas on what to check? |
| 17:36.29 | tremon | ikari: you don't need any metapackages. Package dependencies can now be declared directly |
| 17:36.57 | ikari | nonconvergent: Yes, I will do what he said |
| 17:37.18 | ikari | tremon: I am not installing a package, I am trying to run a proprietary binary |
| 17:37.30 | tremon | as jelly-home said, use ldd |
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| 17:39.51 | somiaj | nonconvergent: the command is patch -p1 <$HOME/nvidia.patch |
| 17:39.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: notice the < there. |
| 17:40.04 | nonconvergent | Oh. |
| 17:40.10 | pablo | hello guys, is there a way to supress the microcode load warnings during boot? |
| 17:40.22 | pablo | I don't want to load intel microcode |
| 17:40.31 | nonconvergent | I though you were just being...examplary. |
| 17:40.35 | nonconvergent | THat's not even a word. |
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| 17:41.02 | jelly-home | expletive is. |
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| 17:41.52 | tremon | pablo: why not? Assuming you have an intel cpu, you're running intel's microcode whether you load it or not |
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| 17:42.00 | babilen | pablo: Why don't you want to load it? And just don't look, I don't think you can suppress the output. I mean sure you can, but that might be much more work than it is worth. |
| 17:42.10 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/33833/ |
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| 17:42.14 | jelly-home | tremon: new microcode might be MORE EVIL than the microcode in his BIOS |
| 17:42.47 | babilen | it might also actually fix bugs .. but then, who knows? |
| 17:42.53 | jelly-home | EEEEEVIL |
| 17:43.26 | pablo | lol |
| 17:43.37 | tremon | aye, that's true. Thankfully, you can fully clear the bios rom and exorcise the ucode |
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| 17:44.16 | somiaj | nonconvergent: okay looks like the patch applied, now try 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' did the module compile correctly for the 3.10 kernel? |
| 17:44.28 | babilen | pablo: Any particular reason? I mean using up-to-date microcode is a good thing as a buggy processor is, well, suboptimal |
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| 17:45.00 | mumpitzel | babilen: it's non-free. maybe he just complains that the warning is there and he wants it gone, ie have the proper microcode firmware |
| 17:45.31 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: the copy in his BIOS is non-free as well! |
| 17:45.39 | jelly-home | OH NOES |
| 17:45.45 | pablo | mumpitzel: I want the warning gone without loading ucode :P |
| 17:45.58 | babilen | Maybe we should just wait for pablo to actually tell us ? |
| 17:46.07 | nonconvergent | somiaj: It failed. |
| 17:46.17 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: yes, but it doesn't ship with debian :) |
| 17:46.30 | babilen | pablo: Why don't you want to load it? And it might be quite tricky to get rid of that warning, just ignore it *or install microcode* as it might actually be helpful |
| 17:47.17 | pablo | babilen: I thought there was a kernel parameter such as load.microcode=off |
| 17:47.18 | pablo | :s |
| 17:47.36 | pablo | but it seems there is not |
| 17:47.38 | somiaj | nonconvergent: output please, and well guess the patch doesn't work with that older version of the nvidia kernel. YOu may have to make your own backport if you want non-free drivers witht he 3.10 kernel in backports right now |
| 17:47.53 | somiaj | nonconvergent: in the future (no clue when) I belive they will backport a working nvidia non-free driver |
| 17:47.59 | babilen | pablo: I will help you to go down this road once you managed to convince me that it makes sense. My recommendation right now is: Install the microcode. |
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| 17:49.21 | goose | I'm upgrading a server from wheezy to jessie; can I have mixed versions in the /etc/apt/sources.list? the official nginx repos have nginx for wheezy, but not jessie, so I want to keep that line "deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ wheezy nginx" if possible |
| 17:49.52 | somiaj | goose: server and jessi...bad bad juju. You should stick to a stable enviorment |
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| 17:50.07 | somiaj | goose: you don't want to mix things like that, seems like you are just asking to break your server |
| 17:50.16 | mumpitzel | !tell goose about tum |
| 17:50.21 | babilen | And we also don't support (nor endorse) third-party repositories. nginx is packaged in Debian and you should use that, goose |
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| 17:50.33 | goose | the debian packaged version is ancient |
| 17:50.37 | goose | or I would |
| 17:50.46 | babilen | goose: Then backport a newer version. |
| 17:50.50 | babilen | judd: v nginx |
| 17:50.51 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1.4.1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.1-3; sid: 1.4.1-3 |
| 17:51.04 | babilen | goose: What's wrong with 1.4.1 ? |
| 17:51.10 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/33837/ |
| 17:51.11 | babilen | checks latest release |
| 17:51.40 | goose | babilen: that 1.5.4 is the current |
| 17:51.55 | goose | and 1.4.2 is current stable |
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| 17:52.24 | goose | somiaj: I need python3, wheezy just does 2.7 afaik |
| 17:52.29 | babilen | goose: Well, ask them if their packages work with jessie. My recommendation would be to not use jessie in production. Not at all. |
| 17:52.32 | tremon | goose: if you keep nginx at wheezy, chances are you won't be able to dist-upgrade fully to jessie. You'll be running an unpredictable mix |
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| 17:53.00 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yea looks like if you want nvidia non-free at the moment you will need to backport them from sid (Seems they fixed the issue there). Care to try that or happy with nouveau? |
| 17:53.05 | mumpitzel | and jessie has nginx, with a higher version number too. so what is the problem? |
| 17:53.09 | babilen | goose: python3 is in wheezy |
| 17:53.13 | babilen | judd: v wheezy |
| 17:53.14 | goose | orly |
| 17:53.14 | judd | No package named 'wheezy' was found in i386. |
| 17:53.19 | babilen | judd: v python3 |
| 17:53.20 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.3.2-15; sid: 3.3.2-15 |
| 17:53.26 | babilen | goose: yrly ^^^ |
| 17:53.38 | goose | awesome |
| 17:53.41 | goose | then wheezy will work |
| 17:53.43 | goose | thanks folks |
| 17:53.59 | jelly-home | !duck |
| 17:53.59 | dpkg | Hhhwrraaaaaaaacckk! |
| 17:54.02 | somiaj | goose: running jessi is prone to bugs and changes that are not worth dealing with on a server. Not to mention it will not get security fixes (sometimes for up to two weeks or more) |
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| 17:55.18 | nonconvergent | somiaj: ssb? |
| 17:55.27 | somiaj | nonconvergent: correct |
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| 17:57.32 | raptor67682 | hi |
| 17:57.53 | raptor67682 | how to print on a net printer HP ? it is on : lpr: hp:/net/Officejet_4500_G510g-m?ip=192.168.X.X: unknown printer |
| 17:58.14 | raptor67682 | I have lpr installed, but lpr -Php:/net/Officejet_4500_G510g-m?ip=192.168.X.X file.pdf does not work |
| 17:58.28 | somiaj | raptor67682: have you tried cups? |
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| 17:58.40 | Brilliant | hi, how can i get a "away signal" from the system, eeg. how the screensafer is using it? Any ideas? |
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| 17:59.49 | somiaj | Brilliant: would the package xautolock suit your needs? |
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| 18:01.31 | raptor67682 | somiaj: hplip cups is installed |
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| 18:01.52 | raptor67682 | hp probbing detects the hp printer on the ip address |
| 18:02.05 | raptor67682 | how to ask lpr to print directly to this net: hp stuff?= |
| 18:02.14 | nonconvergent | somiaj: back in a bit |
| 18:02.17 | somiaj | raptor67682: add yourself to use the lpadmin and go to localhost:631 to configure your printers |
| 18:02.32 | raptor67682 | cannot hplip print it itself over the command line ? I have no X11. |
| 18:02.33 | jkll | hello. i would like to to backup phpbb files... a tree with symlinks. what's the best solution? thank you |
| 18:02.47 | Brilliant | somiaj: i have to take a look, but it should be a solution that needs no depencies, because the screensafer is working without xautolock too |
| 18:02.57 | raptor67682 | somiaj: I would like to print without configuring the printer on localhost:631 |
| 18:03.17 | raptor67682 | since it never works after some time, since printer are changing regularly |
| 18:03.23 | somiaj | raptor67682: you could use lynx, I think the lpr is using cups. I'm unsure of a cli way to configure cups. |
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| 18:03.38 | raptor67682 | I need a tool that print from command line over lpr or else... to this net hp: ... |
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| 18:04.06 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.19 | raptor67682 | there is probably a command hplip that does print a pdf over it |
| 18:04.34 | raptor67682 | since hp-probe can detect flawlessly well the net hp printers on the netweork |
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| 18:05.34 | ereno | hello, i'd like to enable auto login on debian wheezy (DE = xfce, login manager = lightdm), I google'd to find a solution and added the lines "autologin-user=<my login>" and "autologin-user-timeout=0" but it didn't work, could anyone help me ? |
| 18:07.02 | ereno | i added those lines to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
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| 18:07.52 | Brilliant | somiaj: yes, that is what i need, but is there any way to do it with debian out of the box? |
| 18:07.57 | raptor67682 | printing on command line is really not good, man, ... witohout lynx on localhost... it is not flexible much |
| 18:08.32 | raptor67682 | I give up,... I boot windows XP on the netwqork |
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| 18:11.06 | somiaj | Brilliant: what do you mean by debian out of the box, it is a very small simple program that is easily insatlled wiht little dependens (though I guess it would install a screen saver automatically since xlockmore|xscreensaver are recomends |
| 18:12.30 | Brilliant | somiaj: what i mean is, that no xautolock or xlock is installed, but the screensafer is working regardless. So maybe i could use the same "signal" |
| 18:12.38 | somiaj | Brilliant: might want to look at the default xserver blanking. I know you can configure it with xset |
| 18:13.28 | Brilliant | somiaj: yes, that i mean |
| 18:15.57 | somiaj | Brilliant: I have never ran into any flag/signal that gets set. Not sure if you can look at the blanking signal, I would just use that package personally and add the --no-install-recommends |
| 18:16.20 | tremon | ereno: that should be enough, although I have no setup to compare right now. See if you can run lightdm in debug mode (-d) |
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| 18:16.53 | tremon | the arch wiki mentions you need to be a member of the autologin group (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_Autologin), but I don't think that applies to debian |
| 18:17.14 | Brilliant | somiaj: ok, thank you for your hint, thats a solution too |
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| 18:22.14 | ereno | tremon: thank you for the answer i'm going to try that right now |
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| 18:25.50 | nonconvergent | Anyway to block users from sudo vim or root from vim, and force them to use rvim when they want to do that? |
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| 18:26.27 | tremon | set vim as NOEXEC in sudoers |
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| 18:34.46 | nitbix | hello |
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| 18:35.06 | nitbix | I wonder if anyone can help me with an intel graphics problem |
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| 18:35.54 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 18:35.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:36.06 | nitbix | I just got wheezy and can't find any docs on how to get an onboard intel gpu working properly in X |
| 18:36.32 | nitbix | the only thing I can find redirects to a atom proprietary driver download |
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| 18:36.54 | latenite | Hi folks, I have a big problem. After rebooting my server it no longer assembles the raid1 properly. I cant even mount one of the legs. I start to panic a little... |
| 18:37.02 | latenite | this is what it look like: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6415873 |
| 18:37.09 | babilen | nitbix: You typically don't have to do anything as it would be used automagically by Xorg. |
| 18:37.24 | nitbix | that's what I thought |
| 18:37.36 | nitbix | but it's definitely not detecting any of my monitors |
| 18:37.51 | nitbix | it only sees one at 1024x768 |
| 18:38.13 | MrFrood | !tell nitbix about intel-gfx |
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| 18:39.37 | nitbix | MrFrood: I already have the latest xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:39.56 | tremon | latenite: what isn't it doing properly? How many disks are in the server? |
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| 18:40.56 | MrFrood | nitbix: have you tried setting the correct resolution in an xorg.conf file? |
| 18:41.29 | nitbix | MrFrood: not yet, I was hoping to avoid that :) |
| 18:41.48 | latenite | tremon, there are 2 discs 3TB in size |
| 18:41.57 | nitbix | MrFrood: I'll try and report back |
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| 18:42.19 | latenite | tremon, and I can no longer get the data thats on the /dev/md3 device which is my /home partition |
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| 18:44.03 | johndo | latenite: looks like your drive b died and you already have lost drive a on /dev/md3 before |
| 18:44.06 | tremon | latenite: what's the output of mdadm -E /dev/sda4? |
| 18:44.17 | johndo | try to resync it, otherwise look for your backup |
| 18:44.18 | MrFrood | !tell nitbix about xorg manual config |
| 18:44.33 | tremon | hopes he still understands some mdadm syntax |
| 18:45.22 | MrFrood | nitbix: ^^^ should give you an xorg.conf with your current settings that you can modify |
| 18:45.31 | latenite | tremon, when I try to start the /dev/md3 I get this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6415990 |
| 18:45.41 | nitbix | MrFrood: neat, thanks |
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| 18:46.07 | rryoumaa | msg dpkg xmodmap |
| 18:46.16 | rryoumaa | msg dpkg keys |
| 18:46.20 | latenite | tremon, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6415998 |
| 18:46.30 | MrFrood | rryoumaa: //msg |
| 18:46.33 | latenite | johndo, how do you tell drive b died? |
| 18:46.39 | rryoumaa | MrFrood: got that, thanks :) |
| 18:46.47 | tremon | latenite: read the dmesg output |
| 18:48.19 | latenite | tremon, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416022 |
| 18:51.01 | latenite | tremon, I see it runs with one leg. But why can mot mount that leg? |
| 18:51.16 | tremon | latenite: because it's running with the broken leg |
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| 18:51.35 | tremon | you need to stop md3, and reassemble it with only sda4 |
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| 18:52.47 | tremon | probably easiest to just power down, disconnect sdb and power on. But if this machine has been running for a long time, changes are sda might not come up either |
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| 18:53.56 | latenite | tremon, I can not unplug anything. Its a hetzer.de server somewhere @ world |
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| 18:54.04 | johndo | latenite: your drive b has bus and sector errors, maybe it's not dead yet, but about to die |
| 18:54.07 | latenite | tremon, and I can not start the md3 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416079 |
| 18:54.14 | g0twig_ | how can I generate control files from control.in files? Debian packaging |
| 18:54.29 | tremon | latenite: I did not tell you to start md3, did I? |
| 18:54.53 | latenite | tremon, what did you meen by "you need to stop md3, and reassemble it with only sda4" ? |
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| 18:56.13 | latenite | johndo, all I want is to read my data from /home once I can mount it. Sillyme, I have no backup. |
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| 18:58.12 | johndo | latenite: then listen to tremon, shut down md3, disable sdb4 and hope it comes up again with using sda4 only |
| 18:58.26 | tremon | I'm sorry, you'll need to ask more specific questions. I don't know how to be more clear than "you need to stop md3". |
| 18:58.51 | latenite | mdadm --stop /dev/md3 |
| 18:58.52 | latenite | mdadm: stopped /dev/md3 |
| 18:58.56 | latenite | ok I did |
| 18:59.20 | latenite | what do I need to do next? |
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| 19:00.16 | tremon | if I remember correctly you can try mdadm --assemble md3 /dev/sda4. But I think that will try to pull in both legs again |
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| 19:00.23 | tremon | you may need to edit /etc/mdadm.conf |
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| 19:00.49 | tremon | try it and paste both /proc/mdstat and the recent lines from dmesg |
| 19:01.15 | qman__ | if you just want to put it together you don't need to edit the conf file |
| 19:01.19 | qman__ | that only matters at boot up |
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| 19:01.50 | tremon | ok, thx. I thought the "If --scan is not given, then the config file will only be used" was a bit ambiguous |
| 19:02.18 | qman__ | it might read it if you don't give it enough info |
| 19:02.30 | qman__ | but if you specify mdadm --assembled /dev/md3 /dev/sda4, it will do that |
| 19:02.34 | qman__ | -d |
| 19:02.44 | tremon | good |
| 19:03.01 | latenite | tremon, I can not assembe it |
| 19:03.02 | latenite | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416184 |
| 19:03.29 | latenite | it sais something about : mdadm: --assemble would set mdadm mode to "assemble", but it is already set to "misc" |
| 19:03.31 | qman__ | what type of raid? |
| 19:03.40 | latenite | raid1 |
| 19:03.43 | tremon | yes, I should have seen that one coming :). Try mdadm --assemble --run md3 /dev/sda4 |
| 19:03.59 | latenite | tremon, I did , see my last paste |
| 19:04.02 | latenite | it fails |
| 19:04.13 | qman__ | try just mdadm --run md3 |
| 19:04.18 | tremon | no, --assemble --run |
| 19:04.23 | tremon | not --run --assemble |
| 19:04.25 | qman__ | if that doesn't work, stop it again |
| 19:04.52 | latenite | mdadm --assemble --run md3 /dev/sda4 |
| 19:04.52 | latenite | mdadm: cannot open device /dev/sda4: Device or resource busy |
| 19:04.52 | latenite | mdadm: /dev/sda4 has no superblock - assembly aborted |
| 19:05.03 | qman__ | stop the array and then do that |
| 19:05.13 | qman__ | it's already assembled but not active |
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| 19:06.01 | tremon | ah, I get it. The earlier command did do the assemble with just one leg, it was only refusing to run it |
| 19:06.36 | tremon | in that case, I'd recommend --run --read-only (I was going to suggest --read-only anyway) |
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| 19:07.27 | latenite | I stoped it and used --run |
| 19:07.28 | latenite | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416230 |
| 19:07.31 | tremon | or is that one impossible to combine too ;) |
| 19:07.36 | latenite | But the mount fails |
| 19:08.01 | tremon | latenite: cat /proc/mdstat and file -s /dev/md3 |
| 19:08.17 | qman__ | sda is dying |
| 19:08.44 | qman__ | I'm not surprised it can't find the data |
| 19:08.49 | johndo | both drives or the bus are broken |
| 19:08.56 | tremon | then both disks are dead, the earlier paste gave errors on sdb (ata2.00) |
| 19:09.34 | qman__ | if you have another disk controller, try them one at a time on it to confirm |
| 19:09.38 | qman__ | but yeah, looks like the drives are dead |
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| 19:10.05 | latenite | but the rootfs on md2 works. How is that posible? Its pysically the same disc |
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| 19:10.24 | tremon | different sectors or platters |
| 19:10.26 | qman__ | the part of the disk on which the root filesystem resides works well enough |
| 19:10.34 | qman__ | the part that your other array resides on is unreadable |
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| 19:11.07 | latenite | So what can I do now? |
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| 19:11.24 | qman__ | shut down, install new hard disks, and attempt to recover the data with ddrescue |
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| 19:12.44 | qman__ | alternatively, send them off to a forensic data recovery lab |
| 19:12.44 | latenite | qman__, Its a root server at some ISP I rented. I can hardly call them and aks to send me the discs? Or can I? |
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| 19:13.03 | johndo | latenite: I would not shut it down, it may not come up again |
| 19:13.29 | qman__ | if it's a rented dedicated server, call the host and tell them what's happening |
| 19:13.36 | qman__ | make sure they know that you need that data |
| 19:13.50 | latenite | johndo, I just did a reboot. That works :D |
| 19:14.10 | g0twig_ | I wish Debian Experimental would pickup packages faster |
| 19:14.26 | g0twig_ | can packages automaticly be built from upstream sources? or is it all human hand? |
| 19:14.43 | latenite | whats the smartctl comand to list whats ging on with the drive? |
| 19:14.46 | tremon | !tell g0twig_ about uupdate |
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| 19:15.02 | nonconvergent | Woof. |
| 19:15.14 | nonconvergent | My head hurts. I waited too long for caffeine. |
| 19:15.16 | tremon | latenite: smartctl -A, or -H, or --test. See the man page |
| 19:15.19 | g0twig_ | tremon: thank you |
| 19:15.35 | tremon | you're welcome :) |
| 19:15.57 | g0twig_ | tremon: actually I made it the manual way, as I have to add a new dependency to the source package. Talking about Gnome Photos |
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| 19:16.43 | tremon | you can make changes to the source package after uupdate as well, just gives you a debian base to work from |
| 19:16.53 | g0twig_ | tremon: can you guide me to the gnome packaging team? |
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| 19:17.56 | tremon | http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/ I guess? |
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| 19:18.57 | tremon | or https://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-gnome-maintainers |
| 19:19.21 | g0twig_ | tremon: is there no chatß |
| 19:19.39 | tremon | possibly, but not that I know of. Maybe ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 19:20.15 | tremon | latenite: the first errors I see in dmesg are ATA bus errors. So it is possible your drives are fine (slim chance) |
| 19:20.18 | g0twig_ | tremon: oftc :X? |
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| 19:20.28 | tremon | irc.debian.org aka irc.oftc.net |
| 19:20.45 | g0twig_ | oh |
| 19:21.34 | latenite | tremon, qman__ see lines 18 and 63 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416367 |
| 19:21.50 | latenite | tremon, Is that good and bad at the same time? |
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| 19:22.33 | qman__ | latenite, all that really matters is line 80, which shows 56 errors, confirming that the drive is definitely bad |
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| 19:24.04 | g0twig_ | tremon: which webclient can I use?. |
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| 19:25.05 | tremon | latenite: end-to-end errors suggest that there's a problem with the wiring or the controller (mind you, that can also be the controller on the disk). However, you also have line 73 which says you have 64 uncorrectable read errors |
| 19:25.08 | latenite | qman__, How is that possible? after only 360 days of opperation |
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| 19:25.27 | lgsmTUX | hi all, what means LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 from locale command ? |
| 19:25.33 | tremon | is the machine running in a turkish bath? |
| 19:25.48 | qman__ | latenite, hard drives are unreliable |
| 19:26.12 | latenite | tremon, :D I have never been to hetzner.de datacenter... maybe :D |
| 19:26.15 | johndo | latenite: depending on how much the data are worth to you you either can try to recover as much data from the drives as possible (using ddrescue or whatever) and transfer them home to you or let hetzner handle the error which will cost you money |
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| 19:27.22 | lgsmTUX | i have some trouble with charset in debian, html, php and database.... |
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| 19:28.35 | latenite | johndo, qman__ tremon drive sda looks better: see from line 212 on https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416442 |
| 19:28.46 | tremon | latenite: btw, those disks are desktop drives. They are rated for 8 hrs/day, not 24/7 datacenter use. and that disk has been running for over 500 days |
| 19:28.49 | GNU\colossus | I have two Debian Wheezy systems, one under xen and one under qemu/KVM. I'd like to clone the first machine to the second, both in terms of configuration (barring a few exlcudes, like /etc/network/interfaces) with as little effort as possible. what's my best option. just use rsync with proper excludes? |
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| 19:30.04 | qman__ | regardless of the rating, hard drive quality in general is poor compared to a decade ago |
| 19:30.20 | qman__ | my personal anecdotal experience puts failure rate within the warranty period around 20% |
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| 19:31.45 | qman__ | this is why backups are important, as is proper monitoring |
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| 19:33.08 | latenite | ok I call them. Lets see what my options are. |
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| 19:35.06 | tremon | GNU\colossus: that could probably work. Ask dpkg about debian clone as well, but it depends whether you want to synchronize only packages/configuration or also data |
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| 19:35.27 | GNU\colossus | tremon, I'd like to migrate as much as possible; so also data, yes |
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| 19:36.26 | GNU\colossus | I'm working on the rsync command line, right now I got this: |
| 19:36.29 | GNU\colossus | rsync -zva root@oldserver:/ / --delete --exclude=/etc/ssh/ --exclude=/etc/network/ --exclude=/boot/ --exclude=/var/log/ --exclude=/var/cache/ --exclude=/etc/fstab --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/tmp/ --exclude=/run/ |
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| 19:36.41 | GNU\colossus | does anyone spot any obvious mistakes? |
| 19:36.52 | tremon | rsync it is then, be careful about overwriting /boot and /etc/fstab. I think I would perform the rsync from dom0, not inside the domU |
| 19:37.04 | qman__ | GNU\colossus, dev |
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| 19:37.15 | GNU\colossus | hmm, yeah, that sounds like a very good idea I hadn't thought about, tremon |
| 19:37.22 | GNU\colossus | qman__, of course. how could I... thanks :) |
| 19:37.56 | tremon | how many partitions do you have? isn't rsync --one-file-system going to help here? |
| 19:37.56 | qman__ | also, it may not let you do that while running |
| 19:38.08 | qman__ | I usually boot a live environment, mount, and then do it |
| 19:38.48 | GNU\colossus | tremon, more than one, unfortunately. I thought about using -x and syncing each source fs at a time, though. |
| 19:39.33 | tremon | also be careful with --delete on /home or /media, but I assume you have a backup of oldserver :) |
| 19:39.41 | kode101 | can smart people tell me if slowmovideo will run on debian 6 via the commandline |
| 19:40.00 | GNU\colossus | yup, I have proper backups ;) |
| 19:40.39 | nonconvergent | adding a deb-src of sid for backports to sources.list shouldn't anything else, right? Will I need to pin and -t when grabbing any source now? |
| 19:41.01 | nonconvergent | Oh, I should mention that I'm doing this to set up ssb |
| 19:41.32 | tremon | no, if you only use deb-src lines you don't need to pin anything |
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| 19:42.51 | somiaj | nonconvergent: source packages are different, they only download the source and dont really install anything on the system, so no depends or anything to figure out. |
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| 19:49.01 | nonconvergent | What's the {a} at the end of some packages apt recommends sometimes mean? |
| 19:49.14 | nonconvergent | it doesn't appear to be part of the package name. |
| 19:49.15 | rryoumaa | is the hyper key nonexistent in debian? i am trying to map caps lock to it: http://sprunge.us/cQDc |
| 19:49.21 | bravvve22 | hello,is there package under squeeze,installing some application that detect all wifi trafics,event if we can't connect to ,some sensor application |
| 19:49.29 | rryoumaa | nonconvergent: it might mean automatic |
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| 19:51.18 | hanasaki | the backport 4.2 does not seem to upgrade from the 4.1 in wheezy ... how do you force it to upgrade ? http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&searchon=names&keywords=virtualbox |
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| 19:52.25 | linuxthefish | how can i install PHP versio 5.3? |
| 19:52.30 | linuxthefish | i'm on 5.4 right now :S |
| 19:52.45 | linuxthefish | CGI/FastCGI |
| 19:52.59 | linuxthefish | on Debian 7 |
| 19:53.08 | latenite | tremon, qman__ I just started the (broken raid) server with a rescue system and I could get /dev/md3 to work with ONE leg |
| 19:53.09 | latenite | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416677 |
| 19:53.33 | latenite | I just wonder why that did not work with real system booted. |
| 19:53.53 | tremon | that's /dev/sdb3, not /dev/sdb4 (i.e. it's not your /home partition) |
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| 19:54.08 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:54.47 | Azrael_- | i've got a server only with ssh installed. what transfer-method can you suggest to transfer a 2gb file with only 50kb/s best without installing anything/much? the client is windows |
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| 19:55.41 | tremon | without installing anything, windows hardly gives you any options. |
| 19:55.42 | Devastator | winscp? |
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| 19:55.57 | Azrael_- | does it support resuming? |
| 19:56.17 | somiaj | nonconvergent: packages that are installed via depends |
| 19:56.17 | Devastator | don't think so.. |
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| 19:56.29 | jordilopezamat | Hello Debian'ers |
| 19:56.37 | linuxthefish | php5-fpm : Depends: php5-common (= 5.4.4-14+deb7u4) but 5.3.3-7+squeeze17 is to be installed |
| 19:56.41 | linuxthefish | ??? |
| 19:56.54 | tremon | http://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/windows_rsync.html |
| 19:57.00 | Azrael_- | linuxthefish: perhaps wrong sources? |
| 19:57.10 | Azrael_- | tremon: hoped to avoid installing too much :) |
| 19:57.50 | linuxthefish | Azrael_- i'm following http://blog.wpkg.org/2013/06/20/downgrading-to-php-5-3-on-debian-wheezy-7-0/ but i use PHP5-FPM not PHP5 on Apache... :/ |
| 19:58.04 | latenite | tremon, oh right. And md4 still fails. Damn it :( |
| 19:58.04 | tremon | well you have the choice between either installing apache/nginx on the remote host, or installing a small tool in both windows and linux |
| 19:58.18 | jordilopezamat | Newbie here... i'm about to install Ruby gem (as needed for Jekyll) ... does anybody has some experience ? Is there a Ruby meta-package or something like ? |
| 19:58.28 | Azrael_- | linuxthefish: sorry, i'm out, just thought some basic hints could help |
| 19:58.32 | tremon | ,v php5-fpm |
| 19:58.34 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; jessie: 5.5.1+dfsg-2; sid: 5.5.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 19:58.45 | jordilopezamat | (in the past i failed on that... :-( ) thanks beforehand |
| 19:58.49 | linuxthefish | :/ |
| 19:58.56 | tremon | linuxthefish: first, fully upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 19:59.25 | linuxthefish | it's a new install of Debian 7 :( |
| 19:59.55 | linuxthefish | i guess i'll have to go back to Apache, but then people can send DoS attacks... |
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| 20:00.20 | tremon | ah. Well possibly you can get aptitude to do it: aptitude -t squeeze install php5-fpm |
| 20:00.32 | kode101 | are there any debian experts who can give me like 1 to 1 advice for 20 minutes for paypal bux |
| 20:00.45 | kode101 | i don't know how to google |
| 20:00.52 | kode101 | 'can slowmovideo run on debian 6 and also via commandline' |
| 20:01.08 | Companion | fsck |
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| 20:01.15 | Companion | ruined my hard drive :( |
| 20:02.33 | jordilopezamat | on debian.packages i can read "On Debian, Ruby 1.8 is provided as separate packages. You can get full Ruby 1.8 distribution by installing following packages" ... |
| 20:03.23 | jordilopezamat | sorry again, is there any meta-package i'm not able to find for complete Ruby install ? thanks ! |
| 20:04.03 | yeehi | On wheezy, a virtualbox guest can connect to the internet, even though the wheezy host is disconnected from networks. Is this strange? Also, if the guest has a weak password, is this a security problem, whilst the guest is onlin? |
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| 20:05.31 | jordilopezamat | yeehi ... does the virtualbox guest have backup connection not even known by its host ? :-P |
| 20:05.39 | jordilopezamat | just kidding... |
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| 20:06.38 | yeehi | no,guest has a default network connection, ubuntu, at least, that is what i think it should have... |
| 20:07.01 | GNU\colossus | ok; I think I'll try this: rsync -zva root@oldserver:/ / --exclude=/etc/ssh/ --exclude=/etc/network/ --exclude=/boot/ --exclude=/var/log/ --exclude=/var/cache/ --exclude=/etc/fstab --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/tmp/ --exclude=/run/ --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/etc/lvm/ --exclude=/etc/mtab --exclude=/root/.ssh/ --exclude=/etc/hosts |
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| 20:09.43 | hanasaki | what meta package can be reinstalled to bring in all the gnome3 stuff? |
| 20:11.20 | tremon | GNU\colossus: exclude /etc/hostname too? |
| 20:11.33 | GNU\colossus | tremon, they're identical (different networks, that is) |
| 20:11.45 | tremon | ok |
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| 20:13.10 | GNU\colossus | if anything goes terribly awry, I can always restore the new machine from backup |
| 20:13.14 | GNU\colossus | so I guess I'll just trythat now |
| 20:13.23 | GNU\colossus | and see where it leads to |
| 20:13.37 | tremon | nah, where's the fun in that |
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| 20:14.51 | Waxhead | I have run virtualbox for a long time without any apparent issues. However , I notice that there is an article at phoronix from 2011 that flags vboxdrv as tainted crap. I asked around in the vbox foumubs but no one (obviously?) answered. Is vboxdrv still tainted in debian kernels? |
| 20:16.09 | tremon | well, what does modinfo vboxdrv say? |
| 20:16.49 | somiaj | Waxhead: maybe the kernel dosen't like orcale |
| 20:17.26 | Waxhead | somiaj: maybe I don't like microsoft ;) it still does not answer the question tough! |
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| 20:23.24 | somiaj | Waxhead: I'm saying they may call it tainted due to something orcal did when aquiring it |
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| 20:23.56 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Regarding ssb for nvidia...Anything else I need to build? I've got build-depends for nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:24.03 | Waxhead | somiaj: that may be true of course. |
| 20:24.17 | latenite | tremon, a simple fsck did the trick https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6416954 |
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| 20:24.38 | tremon | Waxhead: use cat /sys/module/$module/taint: P is proprietary, O is out-of-tree, C is crap (aka staging). At least that's the theory |
| 20:24.41 | somiaj | nonconvergent: the source package name I belive is just nvidia-kernel something, one second |
| 20:25.12 | tremon | latenite: good. Is it using sda4 or sdb4 now? I still suggest making a backup asap, your drives are still dying |
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| 20:25.25 | os7een | hi all, I have a question, for example, if I do 'aptitude search pkg', the output may be 'idA pkg', which means that the package is currently installed as an dependency to some another package, and that it will be remove, but my question is, when it will be removed, as you can just 'aptitude reinstall pkg' and the new output will be 'i A pkg' , thanks |
| 20:25.27 | Waxhead | tremon: thanks a lot! |
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| 20:26.00 | latenite | tremon, sda4 . sdb4 is bad for good |
| 20:26.05 | latenite | LOL bad for good... sound weird |
| 20:26.13 | nonconvergent | dpkg says apt-get -b source packagename...is source the name of the source package? how do I figure out what it is? |
| 20:26.15 | dpkg | nonconvergent: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 20:26.16 | latenite | man I am happy my data is back. |
| 20:26.31 | somiaj | nonconvergent: the source package name is nvidia-graphics-drivers, if you follow the instructions to build that source package it will create all the nivida binary packages, some of which you own't need |
| 20:26.48 | tremon | nonconvergent: "apt-get source" is the command, <packagename> is your package name |
| 20:27.12 | somiaj | nonconvergent: apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-dkms -- look at the 'Source:' line, that is the source package name, source packges sometimes build multiple binary packages. |
| 20:27.12 | tremon | -b tells apt to auto-build the fetched sources |
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| 20:28.04 | tremon | doesn't apt-get source do that for you? I though apt-get source $binary_package worked fine, and you end up with the source package |
| 20:28.43 | somiaj | oh it may, I always just look up the source package name first. |
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| 20:29.19 | somiaj | guess it does, "source causes apt-get to fetch source packages. APT will examine the available packages to decide which source package to fetch." |
| 20:29.39 | Azrael_- | apt is godlike |
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| 20:32.43 | nonconvergent | somiaj: so apt-get -b nvidia-graphics-drivers nvidia-kernel-dkms ? |
| 20:32.52 | somiaj | nonconvergent: don't need the nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 20:33.08 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you want to build all the binary packages, you need the xorg/gl drivers as long as the kernel dkms |
| 20:33.21 | somiaj | nonconvergent: note you will build some packages you don't need, but lets wait until the build is complete |
| 20:33.23 | nonconvergent | apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 20:33.27 | somiaj | correct |
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| 20:33.50 | somiaj | nonconvergent: if you install fakeroot you should be able to do that as your normal user, just make sure he has write primisions |
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| 20:34.55 | martin-_- | is it possible that the facebook plugin in empathy isn't working anymore? |
| 20:35.03 | nonconvergent | somiaj: does it matter if I'm not? I'm just going to be installing this, which will eventually require root permissions. |
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| 20:35.21 | somiaj | nonconvergent: no, I just prefer to avoid using root when ever possible. |
| 20:35.21 | nonconvergent | somiaj: write permissions to where? |
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| 20:35.39 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I can relate to that. |
| 20:36.30 | somiaj | nonconvergent: the cwd, it downloads the source into the directory you are in |
| 20:36.30 | somiaj | martin-_-: ask the writes of said plugin and compare to the version of empathy you have. |
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| 20:37.03 | nonconvergent | so just be $HOME |
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| 20:37.36 | martin-_- | somiaj, so your version works? |
| 20:37.37 | somiaj | nonconvergent: well if you are root you can be anywhere. I use $HOME/src/ as my main user, but /usr/src if I'm building source as root |
| 20:38.29 | somiaj | martin-_-: I don't use empathy, did the plugin come in with the debian package. I would see what version of empathy you need |
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| 20:39.33 | martin-_- | it worked but until a week it doesn't |
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| 20:40.13 | somiaj | martin-_-: hmm, maybe it is just something with the server right now. |
| 20:40.15 | somiaj | martin-_-: http://askubuntu.com/questions/296724/empathy-doesnt-connect-to-facebook-accout |
| 20:40.19 | somiaj | martin-_-: I did find that |
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| 20:41.00 | martin-_- | thanks |
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| 20:46.26 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Alright, so that produces a bunch of debs, one .changes, and a dir holding the source. |
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| 20:57.19 | nonconvergent | So after I build from source, I just dpkg -i all the stuff I need? |
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| 21:02.43 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/33923/ Got an error after building this from source and trying to install it. I read the error and I think I understand it, but I want to be sure about removing the existing nvidia-kernel-dkms package (the one from stable), deleting anything left in that src directory, and installing that nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias |
| 21:02.51 | nonconvergent | I'm a little afraid of breaking something. |
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| 21:10.01 | mumpitzel | nonconvergent: uninstall any other *nvidia* package first, yes |
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| 21:12.06 | zrafa | mumpitzel: THANKS A LOT for the help with elf 32bit on amd64. You saved our work :) |
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| 21:13.28 | nonconvergent | What about nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias? I try getting info on it but apt-cache says it's just purely virtual and no packages found |
| 21:13.44 | zrafa | mumpitzel: the only bit missed in HOWTO you pointed me about multiarch is the name of libc6 package. We did not know the proper name, and the HOWTO on debian wiki does not mention that, which is the minimum to have before you can realize which libs more are missed. We tried to install libc first, which as you know, is not the thing to do. |
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| 21:14.46 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to capture DV video from my firewire input. Any idea why I get the following from dvsource-firewire? "INFO: Reading from first Firewire card with camera, INFO: Connecting to localhost:2000, rom1394_0 warning: read failed: 0x0000fffff0000414, error reading config rom directory for node 0, Error: invalid source specified" |
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| 21:19.13 | Roland- | anyone used nsd? |
| 21:19.15 | Roland- | is killing me |
| 21:20.41 | GNU\colossus | Roland-, nsd? the authoritative nameserver? |
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| 21:22.49 | Roland- | yes I am using it, me gusta nsd |
| 21:23.28 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/33929/ I am now confused. |
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| 21:27.17 | cousin_luigi | radvd doesn't start at boot on my system, nor does it leave any trace in the logs: what could it be? |
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| 21:30.09 | gnarface | gnargnar |
| 21:31.00 | mumpitzel | zrafa: so how did you manage it then? |
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| 21:33.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: install all the debs you need in a single line, you need more than one version |
| 21:36.56 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you will need to install the libgl1-nvidia-glx, nvidia-alternative, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-dkms, xserver-xorg-video-drivers package, you can do it all form a single dpkg -i line. |
| 21:39.04 | cousin_luigi | how would you track down the problem with a daemon at boot time? |
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| 21:39.20 | cousin_luigi | a kind of problem that doesn't leave a log, apparently |
| 21:39.52 | somiaj | cousin_luigi: is the problem is it is not starting? |
| 21:40.18 | somiaj | cousin_luigi: well first see if it starts, '/etc/init.d/servicename start' |
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| 21:40.29 | somiaj | cousin_luigi: does it start if you do that maunally? |
| 21:41.20 | cousin_luigi | somiaj: yes |
| 21:41.39 | zykotick9 | !tell cousin_luigi about bootlog |
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| 21:44.15 | cousin_luigi | zykotick9: will try that now, brb |
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| 21:44.54 | berarma | cousin_luigi: you can try "update-rc.d radvd defaults" to make sure it's setup to start |
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| 21:49.57 | zrafa | mumpitzel: installing libc6 like you suggested. It was the name of the package. I tried to install libc, no libc6. I would guess that detail should be on HOWTO multiarch at least. |
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| 21:50.17 | zrafa | mumpitzel: after that all is easy to realize |
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| 21:54.02 | cousin_luigi | zykotick9: It doesn't say much. There's something interesting regarding ipv6, but I'm not sure where it's coming from. |
| 21:54.35 | zykotick9 | cousin_luigi: sorry, well, it was something to try. best of luck. |
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| 21:58.53 | yeehi | Could we use Wine to install drivers for hardware, if there are no gnu/linux drivers? |
| 21:59.39 | zykotick9 | yeehi: no, wine doesn't help with driver issues. it's similar to a VM in many ways. |
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| 22:00.07 | yeehi | could we boot into windows, install drivers, then quit and boot into debian and have drivers work, zykotick9/ |
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| 22:00.24 | zykotick9 | yeehi: no, that won't work either. |
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| 22:01.38 | cousin_luigi | zykotick9: I modified the init script to write my own log, but it didn't create anything |
| 22:01.44 | yeehi | it looks like asrock has almost no gnu/linux driver support. Why would they not create some files? It wouldn't cost them much... |
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| 22:02.15 | cousin_luigi | zykotick9: by the way, is there an easy way to postpone the launch of a daemon? Say, move it from S02 to S18? |
| 22:02.37 | zykotick9 | cousin_luigi: sorry, i've never had to directly mess with init scripts / or manuall logging. I've got nothin' for ya... good luck! |
| 22:02.50 | cousin_luigi | ok, thanks |
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| 22:03.38 | yeehi | zycotick, if there are windows drivers available for hardware, is it simply a matter of packaging them for gnu/linux? Is it a trivial thing to get the drivers installable on a different OS? |
| 22:04.21 | zykotick9 | yeehi: drivers for what? wireless has an ndswrapper thing, that uses windows drivers - but i've never heard of it for anything else. |
| 22:04.52 | zykotick9 | s/ndswrapper/ndiswrapper/ |
| 22:04.54 | berarma | yeehi: I was going to ask the same. Drivers for asrock? What device? |
| 22:04.54 | yeehi | for motherboard. eg wireless, |
| 22:05.55 | yeehi | berarma: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z87%20Extreme6ac/?cat=Download&os=Win864 |
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| 22:06.27 | yeehi | You can see that lots of drivers were necessary to get all features of mobo working in windows. Presumably, same is true in Debian |
| 22:06.43 | berarma | yeehi: no, that's not the way it works on debian |
| 22:06.54 | dr_traktor | Hi. I installed open-jre-7 but the java command still executes version 6. What do I have to change? |
| 22:07.22 | berarma | yeehi: first, pastebin the ouput of "lspci -v" so we can see device info |
| 22:08.45 | berarma | dr_traktor: update-alternatives --config java |
| 22:09.45 | dr_traktor | berarma, thanks |
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| 22:11.27 | berarma | dr_traktor: np |
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| 22:12.59 | berarma | yeehi: please, don't mp |
| 22:13.21 | berarma | keep conversations here |
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| 22:15.30 | yeehi | http://pastebin.com/zEFynjvv |
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| 22:15.41 | berarma | !tell yeehi -about b43 |
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| 22:16.11 | PlainL | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 22:16.15 | yeehi | berarma, thanks. are there other things i should know? |
| 22:16.47 | berarma | that should help you install the firmware you need, try it |
| 22:17.07 | PlainL | Hey |
| 22:17.47 | berarma | yeehi: if problems persist keep asking |
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| 22:17.56 | PlainL | I'm trying to install the Nvidia driver for Geforce 5200 Fx Ultra, on Apple Mac G5 |
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| 22:18.11 | PlainL | I've installed using Debian Wheezy |
| 22:18.16 | PlainL | 7.0 |
| 22:18.31 | cafuego | Did nvidia ever even support PPC Linux? |
| 22:18.52 | berarma | it could be nouveau |
| 22:19.22 | PlainL | it does use nouveau, but really badly |
| 22:19.48 | rryoumaa | i am trying to find a zooming tool that works like it does on osx. i was told that kde window manager can do this. so i installed it, but it is asking me whether i want to register a virtual odbc driver. do i? |
| 22:19.52 | yeehi | will this b43 fix onboard bluetooth, too, berarma? |
| 22:19.57 | mumpitzel | PlainL: can you come to the part where you state your problem? |
| 22:20.06 | mumpitzel | yeehi: b43 is not a BT chipset, but wlan |
| 22:20.11 | rryoumaa | (note: compiz also has a zooming tool that works the way i want, but it is apparently dead) |
| 22:20.45 | berarma | yeehi: no, one problem at a time |
| 22:21.39 | berarma | rryoumaa: are we supposed to know how it works on osx? |
| 22:21.39 | PlainL | So, we're trying trying to install nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx. Unfortunately, when I do, it's unable to locate the package. |
| 22:21.40 | mumpitzel | yeehi: for which hardware are you trying to install drivers exactly? |
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| 22:21.44 | yeehi | ok, i installed b43 and dependency, network-manager restart, i went to network manager to look for available wireless networks, but I couldn't see any, berarma... |
| 22:22.05 | mumpitzel | PlainL: there are no nvidia PPC packages in debian. if nvidia.com has them, fine, if not you are screwed |
| 22:22.14 | yeehi | first the wireless, then bluetooth, then integrated intel graphics,... |
| 22:22.40 | rryoumaa | berarma: just tyring to give context. you hold control and zoom anywhere with mouse wheel and everything works including clicking. you can use compiz as an equivalent demonstration of hte fuinctionality that i seek. thank you. |
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| 22:22.52 | mumpitzel | yeehi: find out the PCI and USB IDs via lspci -nn and lsusb |
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| 22:23.34 | MonkWitDaFunk | Proprietary nvidia drivers is great if you think they should make it because they also made the hardware |
| 22:23.46 | rryoumaa | berarma: you'll note that my question is about odbc at this time |
| 22:24.16 | MonkWitDaFunk | Nvidia. Is great. |
| 22:24.27 | MonkWitDaFunk | Certified drivers |
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| 22:24.53 | PlainL | The Debian Wiki does apparently support it, version 173.14.35, which includes legacy GPUs? |
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| 22:25.30 | mumpitzel | PlainL: there is no driver for the PPC arch |
| 22:25.43 | mumpitzel | the wiki is written for x86 CPUs only |
| 22:26.23 | MonkWitDaFunk | The debian.org sub domain: wiki, is technical |
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| 22:28.36 | berarma | yeehi: please, pastebin "lspci -v -nn" |
| 22:28.58 | MonkWitDaFunk | 86 assembly intel/amd is the way to go in my opinion for something great. |
| 22:29.20 | cafuego | rryoumaa: Is there any reason why you'd choose not to? |
| 22:30.35 | yeehi | berarma, here: http://pastebin.com/UCcQuYqF |
| 22:31.25 | rryoumaa | cafuego: i have no idea. i never heard of that thing before, so the question was inscrutable. and i looked it up and did not udnerstand why a window manager needs a database connectivity. |
| 22:31.42 | rryoumaa | but i will just answer yes, thanks |
| 22:31.52 | cafuego | rryoumaa: Probably searchy/indexy things in KDE. Just accept, you can always uninstall it. |
| 22:32.31 | cafuego | Aight, off to the mines. |
| 22:32.41 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 14e4:43b1 |
| 22:32.42 | judd | [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:43b1 |
| 22:32.46 | rryoumaa | thanks. i am finding it extremely difficult to find a zoomer that works flexibly |
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| 22:32.55 | yeehi | berarma, here is the lspci -v -nn http://pastebin.com/gCvwT867 |
| 22:32.56 | mumpitzel | yeehi: your wlan cannot be used under debian (or any linux) |
| 22:32.57 | MonkWitDaFunk | 86 assembly intel/amd systems can be recycled for parts |
| 22:33.23 | yeehi | ah, thank you for that info, mumpitzel |
| 22:33.28 | berarma | yeehi: it's not supported, bad luck |
| 22:33.36 | MonkWitDaFunk | They can be 8 cores or 6 |
| 22:33.56 | berarma | yeehi: you may try ndiswrapper |
| 22:33.58 | yeehi | ah, never mind. wired connection is good enough, in this case, berarma |
| 22:34.10 | yeehi | i will try ndiswrapper... |
| 22:34.31 | berarma | !tell yeehi -about ndiswrapper |
| 22:34.33 | yeehi | why won't wifi go? is it because it is broadcom of some type? |
| 22:34.35 | berarma | not the best solution but... |
| 22:34.38 | PlainL | But Debian wheezy supports PPC |
| 22:34.41 | mumpitzel | yeehi: basically yes |
| 22:34.47 | yeehi | ok. |
| 22:34.49 | yeehi | thanks |
| 22:34.49 | mumpitzel | PlainL: it's non-free software |
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| 22:34.52 | PlainL | but the Geforce 5200 FX ultra |
| 22:34.56 | PlainL | isn't supported? |
| 22:35.00 | yeehi | what about getting the bluetooth going? |
| 22:35.19 | mumpitzel | nvidia doesn't support PPC for their proprietary closed source stuff. debian can't write such a driver on its own... |
| 22:35.22 | PlainL | I've added the non-free depository |
| 22:35.27 | mumpitzel | yeehi: check lsusb for BT |
| 22:35.39 | yeehi | thank you mumpitzel |
| 22:35.40 | berarma | yeehi: opensource driver development is sometimes behind |
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| 22:35.56 | yeehi | ok,so there might be hope for BT. |
| 22:36.02 | mumpitzel | PlainL: either find the driver at nvidia.com or stop trying. no one but nvidia can make the proprietary driver. and if they didn't, there is none |
| 22:36.11 | yeehi | last thing: (well, maybe last 2!) |
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| 22:36.55 | yeehi | how can I get the integrated intel graphics on the CPU to work? I in gnome fall back, because it isn't supporting 3d orsomething... |
| 22:37.11 | PlainL | Calm down mumpitzel, I'm just asking a plain question. |
| 22:37.29 | MonkWitDaFunk | Use the proprietary driver if you think nvidia hardware should make the drivers |
| 22:37.37 | yeehi | (There was a vga driver required in windows for this mobo...) |
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| 22:38.00 | MonkWitDaFunk | I onky think nvidia certified is giod |
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| 22:38.43 | mumpitzel | yeehi: jessie might work. wheezy Xorg is too old (from 2012) |
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| 22:39.07 | oiaw | is debian good for linux noobs? |
| 22:39.10 | yeehi | ah, thank you mumpitzel |
| 22:39.37 | yeehi | oiaw, i hear that Mint is the easiest for noobs at the moment. |
| 22:39.39 | zykotick9 | oiaw: yes, if those linux noobs are ready to read documentation ;) |
| 22:39.56 | yeehi | Mint is a spin of Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 22:40.35 | zykotick9 | would take debian over ubuntu or mint anyday |
| 22:40.41 | yeehi | Mint is a v popular distro. I think one of the most important things for noobs is the community, oiaw. Like IRC... |
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| 22:43.00 | james41382 | I agree... it's easy to get frustrated when one lacks experience. Lots of questions and answers can be hard to find or even sometimes underrstand. Forums and such and really help.. |
| 22:43.31 | james41382 | I read Linux Mint is the most popular distrobution currently... and I think Ubuntu was second.. |
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| 22:45.47 | PlainL | Ok, so given that Nvidia only support x86 architecture under linux; what next? |
| 22:45.49 | nkuttler | and windows is the most popular os |
| 22:46.01 | PlainL | We have a power PC and we would like to run it as NAS server |
| 22:46.07 | nkuttler | PlainL: use the free drivers? |
| 22:46.14 | PlainL | Go on |
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| 22:46.34 | james41382 | nkuttler: You think Microsoft is more popular than Mac? |
| 22:46.46 | nkuttler | PlainL: what do you mean? |
| 22:46.54 | anonnumberanon | What does root@(none):/ mean? |
| 22:47.01 | nkuttler | PlainL: the free drivers are included in debian with xorg |
| 22:47.19 | PlainL | By default it does boot into GUI |
| 22:47.20 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: depends on how your shell prompts is configured |
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| 22:47.32 | PlainL | just fine, except it's a strange blue |
| 22:47.34 | Azrael_- | aren't the free ones a lot slower than the proprietary ones? |
| 22:47.40 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: probably user root, unkown none, in root directory |
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| 22:47.59 | PlainL | not an issue as much, but does that mean there is lag when refreshing? |
| 22:48.05 | anonnumberanon | nkuttler, it is configured as booting in init=/bin/bash |
| 22:48.19 | anonnumberanon | When you reset the root password in Debian WHeezy Xfce, and you shut down the PC then start it, at the login prompt, the prompt makes the password visible as you are typing it. Then the password is wrong, then it is not visible any more, then it is still the wrong password. |
| 22:48.32 | james41382 | PlainL: If you have a nice video card and you can't find a driver for linux why not switch it for another card and use it in another system? Maybe one that the manufacturer has written drivers for. |
| 22:48.43 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: that doesn't sound right |
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| 22:49.04 | anonnumberanon | nkuttler, how so? |
| 22:49.06 | PlainL | Unfortunately James, we are without the necessary funds. But thank you for the comment. It has been noted. |
| 22:49.14 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: the password should never be visible |
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| 22:49.29 | nkuttler | PlainL: why do you even need a gui for a NAS? |
| 22:49.31 | berarma | PlainL: the free drivers work well |
| 22:49.37 | nkuttler | and yes, they work |
| 22:49.48 | anonnumberanon | nkuttler, oh yeah, I'm puzzled by this |
| 22:50.19 | PlainL | Well, we don't use Linux too often, if at all; and are not familiar with the shell to run a server. |
| 22:50.25 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: anyway, if you got that prompt you are root, so some password "worked" |
| 22:51.26 | anonnumberanon | nkuttler, no I am resetting my root password and the only way to do so is to access the grub init configuration and start the OS as root user |
| 22:51.39 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: i know that |
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| 22:51.43 | anonnumberanon | no pass worked |
| 22:51.57 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: then how did you get that bash prompt? |
| 22:52.07 | nkuttler | or whatever shell it was.. |
| 22:52.15 | mumpitzel | nkuttler: init=/bin/bas ? |
| 22:52.20 | mumpitzel | *bin/bash |
| 22:52.22 | nkuttler | doh.. |
| 22:52.30 | anonnumberanon | :) |
| 22:52.42 | nkuttler | kk, off to bed.. |
| 22:53.01 | rryoumaa | how do i change double click time? |
| 22:53.29 | berarma | PlainL: you may run the server with a gui, but you don't need nvidia closed driver for that |
| 22:54.08 | abrotman | rryoumaa: in what? |
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| 22:54.18 | rryoumaa | abrotman: x |
| 22:54.36 | rryoumaa | does it differ by application? |
| 22:54.47 | PlainL | Berama: We've got a basic GUI up, the issue we're running into is a distorted display - everything is only in blue, making a large amount of the display unreadable, especially our control panel, for reasons unknown. We're trying to restore the graphics in an attempt to fix this. |
| 22:54.55 | PlainL | It's like viewing Debian through a fishtank. |
| 22:55.44 | anonnumberanon | help |
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| 22:56.00 | abrotman | rryoumaa: it could differ by WM/DE, that's why I asked |
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| 22:56.25 | rryoumaa | abrotman: i am trying to avoid interactions among stuff, so for now i am just running a window manager and using startx |
| 22:58.12 | rryoumaa | xset does not seem to set it |
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| 23:01.04 | abrotman | rryoumaa: did you google "Xorg double click speed" ? |
| 23:01.21 | rryoumaa | yes, except x windows instead of xorg. let me try that. |
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| 23:03.59 | GNU\colossus | my /etc/init.d/dovecot is gone, and reinstalling dovecot-core won't bringt it back. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:04.40 | abrotman | !tell GNU\colossus about confmiss |
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| 23:05.22 | GNU\colossus | thanks; wasn't aware of that particular feature, but it does make sense. |
| 23:05.33 | GNU\colossus | abrotman, will that overwrite _existing_ config files as well? |
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| 23:05.51 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: you can read about it in the man page |
| 23:05.57 | GNU\colossus | will do. thanks again. |
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| 23:07.24 | rryoumaa | abrotman: nope, all i found is "*multiClickTime: 1000" in .Xdefaults, but i tried xrdb -merge on it and it makes no difference in the double click time in iceweasel. |
| 23:07.44 | johndo | is there a command to show which packages provide a virtual package? |
| 23:09.00 | johndo | *(satisfy a virtual package) |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | rryoumaa: that sounds reasonable, though may require a restart? |
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| 23:09.50 | rryoumaa | of firefox? |
| 23:09.55 | rryoumaa | i mean iceweasel |
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| 23:10.46 | rryoumaa | nope, does not change double click time |
| 23:11.11 | rryoumaa | i cannot click fast enough for the default |
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| 23:13.47 | chalcedony | rryoumaa, are there disability settings? |
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| 23:16.04 | rryoumaa | where? |
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| 23:17.49 | oiaw | can microsoft office 2007 run on Debian with wine, or does it only function with Ubuntu? |
| 23:18.38 | DNS | eek use better libre office |
| 23:19.00 | mumpitzel | MS Office 2007 doesn't run properly in any Linux with WINE afaik. |
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| 23:19.20 | oiaw | it was working fine on ubuntu |
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| 23:20.20 | PlainL | how would you set up a NAS server in the console? |
| 23:20.51 | mumpitzel | oiaw: it is not. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12811 |
| 23:21.03 | mumpitzel | PlainL: run samba |
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| 23:22.55 | oiaw | mumpitzel, it has a platinum rating if you use version 1.5 http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bShowAll=true&bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=version&sTitle=&sReturnTo=&iId=4992 |
| 23:23.17 | oiaw | but, rarely does anyone test it for Debian |
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| 23:24.48 | mumpitzel | oiaw: it does not. this is not office. "This entry is just for testing the installer of Microsoft Office 2007 (aka Office 12) office suite. Please see the individual AppDB entries for reports on running specific programs included in Office 2007" |
| 23:26.15 | bunchcrang | PlainL: nfs if it's linux only... |
| 23:26.30 | johndo | is there any interface to the debian package database where I can search package headers? |
| 23:27.06 | mumpitzel | what headers? |
| 23:27.17 | johndo | mumpitzel: Provides |
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| 23:27.42 | DNS | johndo: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 23:27.59 | mumpitzel | johndo: aptitude should afaik |
| 23:28.03 | johndo | DNS: umm, I'm there, but obviously to blind :/ |
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| 23:28.17 | mumpitzel | johndo: it doesn't let you search what you want |
| 23:28.31 | anonnumberanon | http://imgur.com/GpUWNYo |
| 23:28.34 | anonnumberanon | bug? |
| 23:29.01 | oiaw | mumpitzel, the page you linked says it works fine "program works fine. kinda slow. page formatting didnt change" and i know from experience it works fine |
| 23:29.06 | johndo | hrmm, apt and aptitude must get the info from somewhere ... |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | how is that a bug? |
| 23:29.24 | anonnumberanon | nvm abrotman |
| 23:29.33 | mumpitzel | oiaw: it doesn't. page formatting didn't change is NOT fine for a word processor |
| 23:29.34 | anonnumberanon | I think I really dun goofed this time |
| 23:31.03 | oiaw | mumpitzel, page formatting not changing is a good thing, when you open a .xdoc file on libre the format changes slightly |
| 23:31.14 | mumpitzel | oiaw: or excel without macros, access without wizards,etc |
| 23:31.37 | mumpitzel | I kinda doubt they mean what you think they mean with that comment |
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| 23:32.30 | DNS | johndo: it should be possible with a script... you can see provides info under dpkg -s packagename |
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| 23:33.07 | johndo | DNS: I need it for packages I do _not_ have installed |
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| 23:33.14 | johndo | otherwise it would be easy |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | johndo: apt-file ? |
| 23:33.23 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
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| 23:33.35 | abrotman | johndo: moment |
| 23:34.15 | mumpitzel | the info is read in via apt-get update so aptitude should be able to search it. I just never understoof how its search works, but I'm fairly sure it can be done |
| 23:34.32 | abrotman | johndo: aptitude search '~pfoo' |
| 23:35.47 | abrotman | johndo: sorry, ~P |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | johndo: as such, aptitude search '~Pjava-runtime' |
| 23:37.06 | DNS | or aptitude search '~Psh' |
| 23:37.08 | johndo | abrotman: yes, that works, thank you ... just was looking for the aptitude page which explains the search pattersn (after ~p failed) |
| 23:37.11 | DNS | nice command :D |
| 23:37.16 | james41382 | If I want support for libcurses which package should I install? |
| 23:37.44 | DNS | lol |
| 23:37.44 | johndo | but, bummer, there's only one package which satisfies the dependency :( |
| 23:39.11 | DNS | james41382, try: aptitude install libncurses5 |
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| 23:41.03 | abrotman | johndo: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 23:41.09 | abrotman | james41382: for what reason ? |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | james41382: if you're compiling, you'll need a -dev package |
| 23:41.32 | DNS | tru |
| 23:41.57 | DNS | then, aptitude install libncurses5-dev |
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| 23:42.19 | johndo | abrotman: there was a somewhat easier link, but I lost it, will bookmark this one for now, thanks |
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| 23:42.37 | james41382 | Yes I am looking for the dev package.. I installed libncruses5-dev |
| 23:42.50 | james41382 | Thanks. |
| 23:42.58 | DNS | james41382: if you want to compile with wide support, then use libncursesw5-dev |
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| 23:43.55 | abrotman | pfft, wide |
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| 23:45.18 | james41382 | DNS: I also installed libcurses-ocaml-dev which in turn installed libncursesw5-dev. |
| 23:45.20 | johndo | abrotman: found it, http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
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| 23:45.44 | johndo | it's a bit more recent |
| 23:46.29 | abrotman | i don't see any dates, but okay |
| 23:46.35 | abrotman | not a big deal |
| 23:46.45 | johndo | abrotman: try the home button at the bottom |
| 23:46.57 | abrotman | no way! |
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| 23:47.04 | abrotman | then i'll start reading the whole thing |
| 23:47.16 | johndo | abrotman: :) |
| 23:48.08 | themill | the copy on alioth corresponds to wheezy while the version on dburrows website is from lenny or squeeze |
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| 23:49.30 | wsky | are there any #debian operators present? |
| 23:49.39 | wsky | i have an issue. |
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| 23:51.36 | abrotman | wsky: which is? |
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| 23:51.57 | wsky | abrotman: well #debian-pl is kinda abandoned and there is no one to keep trolls out |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | wsky: did you check irc.oftc.net? |
| 23:52.18 | wsky | i just go to freenode nowdays |
| 23:52.40 | abrotman | doesn't answer the question |
| 23:53.04 | wsky | well i thought it my sentence contained the answer |
| 23:53.11 | DNS | :> |
| 23:53.11 | wsky | but ok, no i did not |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | i don't see the problem, there are 32 people in the freenode #debian-pl |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | what's your actual question? |
| 23:53.34 | wsky | there are no operators there |
| 23:53.44 | wsky | the owner doesnd show himself there at all |
| 23:53.54 | wsky | doesnt* |
| 23:53.57 | cusco | its not about the ops or the ownsers |
| 23:54.19 | wsky | well i could reclaim the rights |
| 23:54.54 | cusco | that seems selfish |
| 23:55.03 | wsky | well i'd op several people there |
| 23:56.17 | DNS | wsky the most irc clients have a command /ignore, means in most cases everybody can basically protect himself/herself, without ops... but if spambots are there you can also tell @ #freenode |
| 23:56.41 | wsky | ignore works one way only |
| 23:58.11 | DNS | yes |
| 23:58.33 | cusco | that should be select count(1) |
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| 23:59.07 | abrotman | wsky: Is there an active need for an op, or is it fairly self-regulating? |
| 23:59.18 | cusco | wsky: anyway, doesn't seem to be a real problem. Also you cannot simply claim ownership, and if you want to, you should ask in #freenode |
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| 23:59.48 | themill | well, actually you should as the #debian namespace owner, irc delegate and person listed as channel founder. |
