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| 00:00.31 | wsky | abrotman: there is no one to guard the guidelines, set the topic or anything |
| 00:00.43 | wsky | cusco: i already did, they've directed me here |
| 00:00.50 | cusco | sorry my mistake |
| 00:00.55 | wsky | np |
| 00:00.59 | abrotman | wsky: that is'nt really what I asked |
| 00:01.12 | themill | wsky: no, they directed you to the #debian group contact, not to #debian. |
| 00:01.50 | wsky | abrotman: yes, there is an active need for an op, besides the channel is slowly dieing |
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| 00:04.09 | cusco | how does having a OP prevents a channel from 'slowly dieing' ? playing with statuses? |
| 00:04.20 | DNS | same thought |
| 00:04.30 | wsky | well it's pretty simple |
| 00:04.32 | DNS | a channel king isnt needed |
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| 00:04.35 | DNS | a community is |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | wsky: okay, if you don't get some action in a week or so, msg myself or themill |
| 00:04.47 | wsky | what kind of action? |
| 00:05.02 | wsky | i assume op presence |
| 00:05.07 | wsky | ok then |
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| 00:05.26 | abrotman | wsky: and it may be that I (or another op) sit bah .. run off |
| 00:06.06 | DNS | he doesnt even said one reason, only spammers but not any detail |
| 00:06.13 | DNS | =_= |
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| 00:06.27 | DNS | or did i miss something? |
| 00:06.36 | cusco | I wasn't aware of namespaces .. freenode has ... *adjective* policies ! |
| 00:06.38 | abrotman | DNS: i'll idle there, we'll see what happens |
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| 00:13.43 | optimusprimem | what is the ultimate version of debian? |
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| 00:14.28 | TeknoJuce01 | hello is there a map to tell where the mirrors are located? |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | TeknoJuce01: themill had made one, not sure if it's still active |
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| 00:16.42 | abrotman | TeknoJuce01: http://ircbots.debian.net/mirrormap/ |
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| 00:17.46 | TeknoJuce01 | awesoem thanks abrotman |
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| 00:19.33 | TeknoJuce01 | if a mirror you were using (ftp3.nrc.ca) http seems to be working but ftp is not would a person have to contact them to see whats up? |
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| 00:20.32 | themill | hmm.. geoip seems to be having more and more failures on that map |
| 00:20.32 | LinuxGuy2020 | I screwed up my smb.conf. How can I generate a new one? |
| 00:21.55 | james41382 | If I want to add an existing user to an existing group I should: useradd -a -G <group> <user> ? |
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| 00:23.33 | james41382 | n/m.. its usermod not useradd... heh |
| 00:24.47 | optimusprimem | what is the ultimate version of debian and stable? |
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| 00:25.31 | themill | optimusprimem: can you try asking again? |
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| 00:26.21 | optimusprimem | what is the latest version of Debian? |
| 00:27.14 | themill | optimusprimem: Debian 7 (wheezy) |
| 00:27.23 | optimusprimem | is stable? |
| 00:27.32 | themill | no, we call it stable for fun. |
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| 00:27.58 | optimusprimem | okay |
| 00:28.03 | optimusprimem | thanks |
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| 00:35.42 | johndo | is dpkg more limited in dependency checking (with regard to virtual packages?) than aptitude? it let me install package combinations which aptitude isn't happy about |
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| 00:36.43 | zykotick9 | johndo: i don't think dpkg does any dependency checing... i thought only apt/aptitude did that. |
| 00:37.15 | somiaj | johndo: dpkg only checks if the dependencies are made, it doesn't try to download them from the net |
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| 00:37.34 | somiaj | zykotick9: well it does have to check if it is possible to install a package, but it won't look for solutions from yoru sources |
| 00:38.02 | themill | johndo: hypotheticals are hard to deal with -- can you put the full output in a pastebin? |
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| 00:38.11 | zykotick9 | somiaj: that makes a LOT more sense, then what i said ;) based on my personal experiences even. |
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| 00:39.15 | johndo | zykotick9: I already saw it complaining about missing dependencies |
| 00:39.24 | johndo | so it probably chacks but is more limited |
| 00:40.06 | somiaj | basically it cannot solve depenendcy issues but only check if they are made |
| 00:40.47 | johndo | themill: I can only show you what aptitude was complaining/trying to resolve, I don't have the history from the dpkg installations anymore (but it did not complain at all) |
| 00:41.13 | themill | better than nothing |
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| 00:46.05 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/34009/ |
| 00:46.54 | themill | nonconvergent: dpkg -i takes .deb filenames not package names |
| 00:46.58 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you need the full name of the .deb file, not just the start, use tab completion to finish |
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| 00:50.08 | Gnu-centric | Hi, anyone else have strange behavior w/ http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/ ? |
| 00:50.46 | Gnu-centric | Seems to be Tor that was giving me trouble but wanted to check |
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| 00:53.15 | Gnu-centric | Running Tails, just a few moments ago, Iceweasel would start freezing as soon as I went to ^ URL , then SHA256SUMS file was truncated when I opened in browser |
| 00:53.17 | codepython777 | I'm looking for a light weight VM that isolates my users into boxes (Base OS Debian). I was looking into zerovm, but I would like something that can run python inside those light VMs from the main OS if possible. Is there something like this available? |
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| 00:54.55 | abrotman | what about LXC? |
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| 00:55.40 | Gnu-centric | then empty, now I just tried from other OS (Kanotix) no Tor; direct connection, seems fine, so perhaps my Tor nodes were messing w/ me |
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| 00:56.15 | themill | oh the irony |
| 00:58.11 | johndo | themill: that's about what I did: http://paste.debian.net/34012/ |
| 00:58.21 | johndo | not sure about every detail though |
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| 01:05.18 | luser0 | anyone have a pointer to how to best establish a remote wheezy with no head? |
| 01:05.24 | zr0 | does anyone here use tasque and sync it with remember the milk? |
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| 01:06.09 | somiaj | luser0: preseeds can automate the install. I think you can set up a simple preseed file to setup the ssh install feature (then you can ssh into the machine). You just need to configure the network in the preseed file |
| 01:06.35 | somiaj | luser0: do you have an OS on the machine and is it running right now? |
| 01:06.40 | luser0 | so, preseed info is my best start point? |
| 01:06.52 | luser0 | I have the OS on but it is shutdown |
| 01:07.21 | somiaj | luser0: if you have a unix style os you can ssh into and an empty partition to install on, you can use debootstrap and install manually from a shell on the current os |
| 01:08.06 | luser0 | a unix style os? I run windows in my other life |
| 01:08.10 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if it's possible to re-run the installer's network configuration code after installation, but without reinstalling everything? |
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| 01:08.20 | abrotman | kingsley: why would you need to? |
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| 01:09.04 | AdrianZero | hi everyone |
| 01:09.45 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzz |
| 01:09.48 | luser0 | thanks somiaj, i will try both clues out... preseed for future builds and ssh and root for debootstrap |
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| 01:10.36 | somiaj | luser0: may want to check out the installer on a local machine. And see how to set up the ssh install, makes remote installs easier. Though getting the the ssh point requires a few imputs |
| 01:11.22 | luser0 | somiaj: on my task list, over |
| 01:11.25 | luser0 | and out |
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| 01:12.21 | linu | mayday, was it you telling me about accelerated graphics (via the intel GPU) in debian wheezy 7.1 using only wheezy and wheezy-backports without the non-free area? |
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| 01:19.13 | webchat_0 | hi |
| 01:19.20 | dvs | lo |
| 01:19.57 | elkingrey | I really like debian because it doesn't have any kernel blobs and doesn't come with any non-free software by default. One thing I'm not so into, however, is the focus on stability. Don't get me wrong, I love stability, but usually the packages in the Debian repo are old. Is it possible to either switch Debian to default the newest versions of software, or is gnewsense like Debian, but with a cutting edge default? |
| 01:20.21 | webchat_0 | I use my live-cd on a computer with Windows and the BIOS clock set to local time... |
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| 01:20.29 | webchat_0 | each time i launch my live system, the system clock is 5 hour delay |
| 01:20.51 | webchat_0 | Then I set the parameter live-config "utc=yes|no" with "utc=no", but the parameter "utc=no" seems not to work |
| 01:21.16 | webchat_0 | The live-config "utc=no" parameter doesn't work? |
| 01:21.20 | dvs | elkingrey: Officially, the best you can do is sid (unstable) |
| 01:21.41 | webchat_0 | Any solution for that? |
| 01:22.34 | johndo | elkingrey: if you really want cutting edge you always can install debian unstable |
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| 01:23.00 | dvs | .... |
| 01:23.17 | johndo | sorry, was in backlog :/ |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | johndo: please don't recommend that people do that |
| 01:23.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell elkingrey about backports |
| 01:24.06 | johndo | abrotman: I don't recomend it, just telling what possible |
| 01:24.58 | johndo | abrotman: if you really look for somewhat recent software in debian backports is no solution |
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| 01:25.29 | johndo | it's only good for servers to get some newer software |
| 01:25.31 | abrotman | johndo: that depends on which packages you're interested in, right ? |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | johndo: that's incorrect |
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| 01:31.39 | zangaroo | is debian testing hard to maintain ? |
| 01:32.16 | dvs | zangaroo: Not hard to update but you could run into bugs that are hard to get out of. |
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| 01:33.22 | zangaroo | dvs, is that something you'll have do often ? |
| 01:33.56 | dvs | i dont use it |
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| 01:34.11 | rryoumaa | iceweasel shows the same url i typed in the url bar, even after a redirect, and it never shows the add-ons dialog unless i select it right after starting up. do these bugs ring a bell? |
| 01:35.23 | zangaroo | so only brave souls run testing ? |
| 01:35.28 | johndo | zangaroo: you should be able to fix your system with command line and low level tools like dpkg before trying it |
| 01:35.38 | dvs | yup |
| 01:36.04 | johndo | and just as examples, a kernel which does not boot and an upgrade which messed up the graphics on testing, within a week or so |
| 01:36.21 | zangaroo | johndo, does not sound like fun |
| 01:36.59 | johndo | well, it's not all the time that way, but you have to be prepared for it |
| 01:37.01 | elkingrey | I want debian that is stable, and packages that are "unstable" is that possible? |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | elkingrey: not really |
| 01:37.30 | johndo | if you really want try it out on an old PC, but not on anything you need for daily business |
| 01:37.47 | linu | mayday, If so I suspect the Wheezy 7.1 wheezy + wheezy-backports (no non-free, sid, unstable etc) might not actually do everything with a 4600HD out of the box. Yes the kernel can be upgraded to 3.10 from wheezy-backports. However I suspect a newer HD 4600 iGPU might need Newer components in the X stack as well |
| 01:37.59 | zangaroo | johndo, yeah, i was thinking to do that but i don't have any spare computers atm |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | use a VM |
| 01:38.59 | zangaroo | abrotman, i would end up cheating with a VM |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:40.51 | zangaroo | well the most adventurous thing i've tried was a pinning |
| 01:40.55 | zangaroo | apt* |
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| 01:42.35 | zangaroo | johndo, if applications break, do you try to fix the new version to get it to work or do you simply revert to the previous version ? |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | depends how badly you need it to work eh? |
| 01:45.48 | rryoumaa | i have an iceweasel window up, but "ps aux" does not show it. why? |
| 01:46.37 | dvs | linu: I'm using a Radeon HD 4200 equivalent with no problems in Debian 7.1 |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | rryoumaa: is it called firefox? |
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| 01:47.03 | rryoumaa | abrotman: nope |
| 01:47.23 | johndo | zangaroo: depends how urgently you need the software, if there's maybe a workaround and what kind of breakage it is |
| 01:47.54 | rryoumaa | oh, maybe it is x-www-browser. but i assumed that would be just a symlink or something |
| 01:47.57 | johndo | if it's a script or a config file you sometimes can fix it yourself, if it's something more complex like a kernel I downgrade the package |
| 01:48.04 | rryoumaa | also, it is not letting me quit. |
| 01:48.38 | zangaroo | i will be on the lookout for junked computers |
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| 01:54.47 | somiaj | zangaroo: the debian bts usually is fairly quick on new bugs in sid and lots of times you can find temp fixes there |
| 01:55.34 | zangaroo | bts ? |
| 01:55.41 | dvs | !bts |
| 01:55.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 01:55.45 | zangaroo | oh |
| 01:56.05 | themill | zangaroo: this is all in a "you should know your way around Debian before you try" category. |
| 01:56.12 | zangaroo | all my acronyms are mixed together |
| 01:56.42 | zangaroo | i mostly know my way around debian |
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| 01:57.52 | zangaroo | it's kinda why i want to try it out, force me to work stuff out. |
| 01:58.25 | dvs | zangaroo: even if it renders your system unbootable? |
| 01:58.42 | zangaroo | as long as it's a spare computer, I don't mind |
| 01:59.05 | somiaj | I have ran sid for years, and I can atest to weekends wasted fixing my machine over doing what I wanted with it |
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| 01:59.47 | zangaroo | shivers |
| 02:00.02 | zangaroo | looks like your trying to scare me into not trying it :P |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | pfft, that happens in testing sometimes |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | less frequently, but it can happen |
| 02:00.16 | dvs | looks like? it's reality |
| 02:00.29 | zangaroo | masochism is for me ! |
| 02:02.20 | somiaj | zangaroo: Making sure you know what you are in for. I think it is fun and frustrating at the same time. Its one of those things that will work fine for months then one upgrade will totally fuck things up |
| 02:02.30 | Blue11 | !paste |
| 02:02.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 02:02.54 | somiaj | Blue11: /msg dpkg paste (you can get the factois in private if you aren't trying to share the info with someone in a conversation) |
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| 02:03.31 | Blue11 | thnks |
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| 02:04.46 | linu | does anyone know what this error message means svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-openssl/openssl/trunk/rand/md_rand.c?rev=141&view=diff&r1=141&r2=140&p1=openssl/trunk/rand/md_rand.c&p2=/openssl/trunk/rand/md_rand.c ? I am trying to view a patch |
| 02:05.21 | linu | there is a python exception error, and the traceback shows on the page, saying "TypeError: expecting an integer for the buffer size" |
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| 02:07.14 | somiaj | linu: might get more help in a python channel, but sounds like the wrong variable type is being sent to that function |
| 02:07.46 | linu | ah damn #python requires registering too lol |
| 02:08.04 | linu | somiaj, yes I guess i can view SVN or the source any number of other ways too |
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| 02:09.18 | somiaj | linu: it does lessen the spammers, (: |
| 02:09.37 | linu | somiaj, yeah, I didnt know there was that much spamming going on |
| 02:09.58 | somiaj | linu: also could possibaly get better help if you type the command you were running and not just the error at the end |
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| 02:10.23 | linu | somiaj, oh. I was simply looking at the debian website, the SVN repository |
| 02:10.55 | somiaj | linu: oh yea, I see what is going on now. I was thinking that was a paste. haha |
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| 02:11.17 | somiaj | linu: Mailing lists might be a better way to get the attention of the webadmin |
| 02:11.24 | linu | somiaj, yeah the URL might be out of date perhaps it was posted in a blog |
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| 02:13.53 | themill | nah, looks like viewvc is busted again |
| 02:14.11 | linu | ahh so it is a web problem then perhaps |
| 02:15.06 | linu | im more accustomed to reading through openbsd's cvsweb, so i thought i was just not using the website properly lol, still possible. Browsing http://anonscm.debian.org it looks like i can look at various revisions a different way |
| 02:17.06 | linu | ahh thats right themill it was you telling me about wheezy + wheezy-backports (without non-free) and which card to get for it |
| 02:19.16 | themill | me? I never talk about hardware. It bores me silly. |
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| 02:19.20 | dipuser | hi |
| 02:20.41 | dipuser | i've got a very strange error with 'pon' while trying to connect to the Internet using a normal user (not root): "Error: only members of the 'dip' group can use this command" |
| 02:21.03 | dipuser | and the only way left is to use 'pon' via root |
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| 02:21.28 | dipuser | i opened the /etc/groups file and the user *is* in the 'dip' group |
| 02:22.02 | linu | themill: lol must have been someone else then. hard to tell lol since i dont have logging on |
| 02:22.03 | dipuser | i also used 'id' to get the list of my user groups and it appears in 'dip' (30) group |
| 02:22.06 | dipuser | any clue ? |
| 02:22.20 | themill | linu: maybe you should |
| 02:22.51 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34052/ Was trying to build and install my own backport for nvidia |
| 02:23.30 | nonconvergent | also, after doing all that, I came across this post, specifically the dch line https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 02:23.55 | nonconvergent | I haven't tried anything like that but I'm wondering if I can walk it back a few steps and do that now. |
| 02:24.28 | TeknoJuce01 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mime-support_3.54_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:24.28 | TeknoJuce01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.28 | TeknoJuce01 | configured to not write apport reports |
| 02:24.28 | dpkg | teknojuce01: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 02:24.55 | nonconvergent | I followed the ssb procedure for nvidia-kernel-dkms it as listed by dpkg, with a little help from in here |
| 02:25.47 | somiaj | nonconvergent: your issue is getting the packages installed, you might want to first remove all the current nvidia packages |
| 02:25.52 | TeknoJuce01 | http://pastebin.com/8FfCYYPB |
| 02:26.08 | TeknoJuce01 | trying to do upgrade gives me this error |
| 02:26.21 | TeknoJuce01 | how do I fix that |
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| 02:26.40 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you have sucessfully built the packages and backported the drivers, you just are having conflicts installing them and need to fix them |
| 02:26.41 | themill | TeknoJuce01: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 perl dpkg apt; apt-cache policy" for us? |
| 02:26.58 | nonconvergent | How do I list the currently installed ones then? |
| 02:27.34 | somiaj | nonconvergent: the errors I see is 1) you need to remove the current nvidia packages and 2) you need to add nvidia-driver to your list |
| 02:27.37 | themill | nonconvergent: aptitude search '?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)?installed' |
| 02:27.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: the one thing that I don't get is this line, nvidia-kernel-dkms depends on nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias; |
| 02:28.05 | somiaj | nonconvergent: that seems like nonsense to me because I cannot find a package by that name. |
| 02:28.08 | nonconvergent | me neither. |
| 02:28.19 | dipuser | ok maybe i solved: wrong permission and wrong group owner in /etc/peers . so i did o+r and chown root:dip. now i test ... |
| 02:28.42 | somiaj | nonconvergent: my hope is once you sucesffuly install the nvidia-alternatives package it will fix that issue. Still seems strange to have that extra --kmod-alias at the end. |
| 02:28.45 | TeknoJuce01 | themill http://pastebin.com/E1kxn1Hm |
| 02:28.58 | nonconvergent | what about this thing where this other guide mentioned 'dch --local ~bpo70+ --distribution wheezy-backports "Rebuild for wheezy-backports."' |
| 02:29.18 | themill | ,provides nvidia-alternative --release experimental |
| 02:29.19 | judd | Package nvidia-alternative in experimental/i386 provides: nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias. |
| 02:29.22 | themill | somiaj, nonconvergent ^^ |
| 02:29.37 | somiaj | themill: cool, that is what I thought. |
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| 02:29.47 | somiaj | nonconvergent: so yea follow my advise. 1) remove all current nvidia packages |
| 02:29.50 | themill | TeknoJuce01: don't mix squeeze and sid |
| 02:29.54 | dipuser_ | good. it works! problem solved \o/ |
| 02:30.08 | somiaj | nonconvergent: 2) add the nvidia-drivers .deb to that list, and then see what error comes next and paste it for us |
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| 02:30.17 | nonconvergent | somiaj: everything aptitude search '?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)?installed' lists? |
| 02:30.47 | rryoumaa | how do i address this error? "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog" i want to run aptitude from a dumb terminal sometimes. |
| 02:31.22 | sioux_ | when i trying compile squid with ssl, show this error: "Cannot find OpenSSL MD5 headers", but i have installed openssl, libssl1.0.0, libssl-dev, ssl-cert |
| 02:31.31 | somiaj | rryoumaa: change your debconf settings to not use Dialog, 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' I think |
| 02:31.41 | nonconvergent | Hmm, I don't recognize some of the output from that. |
| 02:31.53 | rryoumaa | somiaj: is there a way to make it use dialog only if it is a dumb terminal? |
| 02:31.56 | TeknoJuce01 | thanks th |
| 02:32.02 | TeknoJuce01 | themill, |
| 02:32.03 | nonconvergent | Half the list is "i A" |
| 02:32.12 | somiaj | rryoumaa: I would like to think so, but not sure |
| 02:32.14 | nonconvergent | but what's BBA or BB or idA? |
| 02:32.25 | somiaj | nonconvergent: i A means insatlled as an 'auto' package |
| 02:33.27 | nonconvergent | And BBA? |
| 02:33.50 | dipuser_ | is there some configs about keymaps for virtualbox i can fix? i've a debian wheezy VM on Virtualbox and i cant type some keys, for example "/" gives "?" . I tried reinstalling the OS on the VM but already during the installation the problem persisted (also if i try to change the nationality of the keyboard). Many chars are missing on that machine, chars like: `@£# and many others |
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| 02:34.32 | nonconvergent | dipuser_: #vbox might be of more assistance than we could be on the subject. |
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| 02:35.36 | dipuser_ | the pc that contains that wheezy VM is a wheezy pc too. I'm accessing that pc via VNC and my local pc has keymab switching (RU / IT) but the remote pc is normal. any clue |
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| 02:36.27 | dipuser_ | i also tried to remove all ~/*irtual* and ~/.Virt* (virtual box dirs and files) before the reinstallation. |
| 02:37.09 | dipuser_ | nonconvergent: it's a debian thing, since the *same* VM on another pc works good. |
| 02:37.47 | dipuser_ | (another pc == another Virtualbox on another debian wheezy installation on another PC) |
| 02:38.02 | somiaj | dipuser_: /msg dpkg confmiss (random guess, but if you deleted some config files your reinstall won't put them back with out that) |
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| 02:40.42 | rryoumaa | what else can i do to get sound to work? i have tried alsa checklist and "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" does not make any sound |
| 02:40.48 | linu | themill: yes perhaps i should enable logging, would make it alot easier to see who said what lol |
| 02:40.56 | dipuser_ | somiaj: you're talking about the 'dip' and ppp issue? problem solved: i copied the ppp config from the backup and it copied some of them as "root:root" instead of "root:dip" . Now it works . Thanks anyway |
| 02:41.35 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: can you see something via "alsamixer" ? |
| 02:43.53 | rryoumaa | dipuser_: what do you mean by see something? |
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| 02:46.13 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: i mean: can you see the volumes? is some output muted (use "M" to unmute) . or maybe the volume is too low? or maybe you see nothing at all and that means that your card is not proprely detected . After these checks try "dpgk-reconfigure alsa-base" |
| 02:47.29 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: and be sure that the user that launch the "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" command is in the audio group |
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| 02:47.51 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: use 'id' to see that |
| 02:47.53 | rryoumaa | dipuser_: i can see the volumes and nothing is muted afaict |
| 02:47.57 | mrdeb | hi |
| 02:48.06 | mrdeb | is iceweasel 23 current stable version |
| 02:48.13 | rryoumaa | dipuser_: i ran that as root |
| 02:48.46 | somiaj | mrdeb: no, 10esr was released with wheezy, but 17esr is now available and will be in 7.2 I belive (it is in the securty repos now) |
| 02:49.05 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: is gnome installed? you can try the audio config tool in "gnome-control-center" |
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| 02:50.21 | mrdeb | somiaj: oh cool, so it will be upgraded to 17 soon? |
| 02:50.39 | mrdeb | i install 23 from mozilla repo, which is stable. why is it going to 17 and not 23? |
| 02:51.15 | rryoumaa | dipuser_: gnome is not installed |
| 02:51.21 | somiaj | mrdeb: if you have security.debian.org sources (Which you should) you can have 17 now |
| 02:51.50 | mrdeb | with regular apt-get update? |
| 02:51.53 | somiaj | mrdeb: debian has a different definition of stable. You can also get newer version from mozilla.debian.net. I was just giving you the versions shipped with wheezy which will not change in its life. |
| 02:52.01 | somiaj | mrdeb: upgrade (not update) |
| 02:52.07 | mrdeb | yes, i got the 23 from mozilla.debian.net |
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| 02:52.42 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: aptitude search alsa|grep ^i |
| 02:52.44 | somiaj | mrdeb: that is recomended here, but if 17 suits you fine you will get full security support with it. |
| 02:53.03 | mrdeb | i see |
| 02:53.17 | mrdeb | why 17? |
| 02:53.19 | rryoumaa | dipuser_: shows 4 things, all installed |
| 02:53.22 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: alsa-base and alsa-utils are there? |
| 02:53.39 | somiaj | mrdeb: because it is an esr and will be supported by mozilla for a good portion of the life of wheezy |
| 02:53.41 | rryoumaa | yes (after i finally figured out they had alsamixer or aplay or something) |
| 02:54.10 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: try dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 02:54.16 | rryoumaa | on alsa-base? |
| 02:54.18 | mrdeb | with security updates |
| 02:54.22 | somiaj | mrdeb: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 02:54.24 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: yes |
| 02:54.42 | rryoumaa | nothing happens |
| 02:54.44 | somiaj | mrdeb: the next esr is gonna be 24, but we needed one that is already tested to be compadable with wheezy |
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| 02:55.48 | somiaj | mrdeb: I am glad debian actually switched to 17 for wheezy, that way we have a decent esr for the core stable system, and then mozilla.debian.net for those who want to keep more current. |
| 02:56.12 | mrdeb | dont new version address security issues to? |
| 02:56.20 | mrdeb | so if 20 has issues, it's fixed in 21 |
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| 02:56.23 | somiaj | mrdeb: yes, but that is not how debian stable works |
| 02:56.24 | rryoumaa | dpkg-reconfigure -plow produces no output |
| 02:56.25 | mrdeb | or 20.1 |
| 02:56.35 | mrdeb | so you get new features AND security fixes |
| 02:56.41 | somiaj | mrdeb: debian stable is about freezing the versions. So we want securty but we don't want to add new features which could add new bugs |
| 02:56.53 | mrdeb | yes |
| 02:57.03 | mrdeb | as long as the browser works on website |
| 02:57.06 | linu | I love the -stable approach. Long term stable, with important security fixes |
| 02:57.10 | somiaj | mrdeb: so we backport security fixes and keep the version the same |
| 02:57.37 | mrdeb | so you recompile the version |
| 02:57.50 | mrdeb | making it diff from then just the dl from mozilla |
| 02:58.30 | linu | mrdeb: yes but new versions can get new security issues too :) the mozilla normal stream rapidly adds lots of new funky features |
| 02:58.43 | somiaj | mrdeb: but in the end your choice is to stick with the 17esr with wheezy, or use newer versions from mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:59.07 | mrdeb | yes well i care about speed and stability |
| 02:59.17 | mrdeb | i was concerned that 10 was included with wheezy, when website wont work properly with it |
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| 02:59.23 | mrdeb | saygin it was outdated |
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| 02:59.38 | somiaj | mrdeb: I am courious if 24esr will make it into stable, I doubt it, but I was surprised to see 10esr replaced with 17esr already. |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 02:59.44 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 23.0.1-1; experimental: 24.0~b7-1 |
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| 03:00.04 | dipuser_ | rryoumaa: i'm sorry. i dont know how to solve |
| 03:00.06 | mrdeb | how did they decide 24 would be next esr? |
| 03:00.10 | TeddieeB | the tree branch is far more intelligent I feel, vs. the frequent regular versions with sporadic LTS versions for "stable" users. people complain about the stable tree being frozen for two+ years. but it's really no different than sticking with an LTS version. and if your all that hot on the updates. run testing. it gets the occasional weird behavior. but your gonna get that with the quick "date" based cycles too. |
| 03:00.23 | rryoumaa | dipuser_: thanks for trying |
| 03:00.25 | nonconvergent | It's a choice, a balance between new features and stability. Security, sadly, is a new feature, but necessary enough that it becomes the exception to the rule. But for an example of how the other approach has its own issues, a certain popular hobbyiest rolling release broke vim last week, IIRC. |
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| 03:00.33 | rryoumaa | anybody else know how to troubleshoot sound issues? |
| 03:00.39 | somiaj | mrdeb: you'll have to ask mozilla how they decide what the esr release will be, looks like they upgrade the esr every year |
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| 03:00.49 | somiaj | mrdeb: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 03:00.57 | mrdeb | i think they flip the coin |
| 03:01.00 | mrdeb | random |
| 03:01.14 | somiaj | mrdeb: they say every 12 months |
| 03:01.59 | rryoumaa | it would be great if debian ran a little check test at the end of installation to prove that sound works |
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| 03:02.03 | linu | lol security is a new feature nonconvergent :) |
| 03:02.11 | somiaj | TeddieeB: testing has terrible security (Even worse than sid) and fixes take way longer. I kinda hope debian cut comes back alive, but haven't hear much about it or any replacement |
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| 03:03.05 | somiaj | rryoumaa: cat /proc/asound/cards -- do you see your sound card there? Is the one you want card number 0 or another number? |
| 03:03.08 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Doesn't that have more to do with fixes having to work their way through sid or be forced directly from experimental into testing, or do I misunderstand how the process works? |
| 03:03.13 | mrdeb | how come programs that didnt work properly made it into final deb 7 release without being fixed? |
| 03:03.17 | mrdeb | shouldn't they have been held back |
| 03:03.36 | somiaj | nonconvergent: correct, all fixes (security and bugs) for testing usually work their way though sid first (until the freeze, then they start being applied to testing directally) |
| 03:03.38 | nonconvergent | I though it was a TTL duration in sid before a fix got moved to testing. |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | mrdeb: not if you didn't file a bug |
| 03:03.43 | linu | which programs mrdeb? |
| 03:03.55 | nonconvergent | Like 2 weeks + however long it takes the maintainer to get around to it. |
| 03:03.59 | mrdeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.08 | mrdeb | vlc, mednafen, pavcontrol |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | mrdeb: so file bugs, won't get fixed without bugs |
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| 03:04.24 | somiaj | mrdeb: all release critical bugs were fixed before the relase (sometimes the fix is removing the package). If there was no release critical bug filed that is a differnt story |
| 03:04.32 | mrdeb | i see, so if no one cares to file bugs, they dont get fixed |
| 03:04.35 | mrdeb | for aproram |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | mrdeb: not if they're not found |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | mrdeb: as you seem to be the only one finding these bugs, file bugs |
| 03:05.17 | somiaj | nonconvergent: 10 days with no sever bugs filed in sid by default. If migrating a package requires migrating other packages as well it gets more complicated. |
| 03:05.17 | mrdeb | yes, vlc still crashes on directory link open |
| 03:05.28 | mrdeb | and has messed up menus when using terminus font |
| 03:05.34 | nonconvergent | and that's assuming the fix actually fixes it, in which case the duration is until the next fix. |
| 03:05.36 | abrotman | mrdeb: file a bug yet? |
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| 03:05.43 | mrdeb | maybe |
| 03:05.50 | abrotman | i'll take that as a no |
| 03:06.01 | mrdeb | this would be fixed if a newer version was added to the repo |
| 03:06.11 | abrotman | 100% sure? |
| 03:06.12 | mrdeb | 2.08 doesnt have these issues |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | do you even know what is causing the bug? is it fonts? vlc? Xorg? |
| 03:06.45 | abrotman | mrdeb: until you file a bug, and bring it to someone's attention, nothing will happen. Thank you. |
| 03:06.46 | mrdeb | i know that its with this one font, which didnt happen in squeeze |
| 03:06.48 | rryoumaa | somiaj: yes, hda intel. it is there. |
| 03:06.55 | mrdeb | its probably that vesrion of vlc |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | waits for the bug report |
| 03:07.28 | mrdeb | i got it |
| 03:07.32 | nonconvergent | I know there a relatively easy fix on a bug I've been following, someone even posted some patches, but the maintainer refuses to patch it in deference to people running backports, instead waiting on a the source itself to be updated from an alpha release to a full release. |
| 03:08.58 | mrdeb | does anyone know how to creat lost+found folder that was deleted on another parttion |
| 03:10.00 | rryoumaa | mrdeb: there is a mklost+found command |
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| 03:10.22 | mrdeb | do i need to, or will checkdisk make it |
| 03:11.23 | rryoumaa | mrdeb: i have reached the limit of my knowledge on that topic |
| 03:11.30 | somiaj | nonconvergent: how goes your nvidia backporting? |
| 03:11.38 | somiaj | rryoumaa: is it card 0 or card 1, etc? |
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| 03:11.40 | mrdeb | haha |
| 03:12.20 | somiaj | mrdeb: its created by the ext? filesystem, wonder if fsck on the file system will fix it |
| 03:12.26 | rryoumaa | somiaj: it is card 0 |
| 03:12.38 | somiaj | rryoumaa: 'groups' is your user in the audio group |
| 03:12.53 | somiaj | rryoumaa: alsamixer can you adjust the volume and unmute the card? |
| 03:13.06 | rryoumaa | somiaj: yes it is in the audio group, and i tried that aplay as root also |
| 03:13.35 | somiaj | rryoumaa: care to give us a screen shot of what you see with alsamixer |
| 03:14.51 | rryoumaa | somiaj: yes, i can adjust the volume and toggle the mute |
| 03:15.12 | somiaj | rryoumaa: could it be your speakers are bad? or the volume is not turned up on them? |
| 03:15.13 | rryoumaa | i will if i know how to grab it and where to paste it, which i don't |
| 03:15.40 | rryoumaa | the speakers have been tested and work (and make plugging in noise when plugging in) |
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| 03:16.51 | somiaj | rryoumaa: scrot is a program that can take screen shots (even of windows) and you can use imgur or other places to upload it |
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| 03:18.18 | rryoumaa | ok, will install it |
| 03:18.19 | somiaj | rryoumaa: everythong sounds fine, not sure what issue you could be having. Have you tried plugging them into the other jacks. That card can be configured and maybe you need to set your model correctly |
| 03:18.30 | rryoumaa | tried the other jack |
| 03:18.41 | rryoumaa | how do i do that? |
| 03:18.44 | somiaj | intel-hda does so many different sound cards, there are 100s of models for it, it could be you have to set that |
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| 03:19.17 | somiaj | rryoumaa: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA |
| 03:19.26 | linu | hmm i had a sound problem on my laptop, i needed a newer alsa. Well maybe I could have fixed it differently, but a newer alsa fixed it too |
| 03:19.41 | linu | it was some recent intel HD / hdmi one |
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| 03:20.08 | somiaj | rryoumaa: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt;hb=HEAD |
| 03:20.16 | mrdeb | why cant you just install modules by device as you need it, instead of waiting for whole new kernel to support it |
| 03:20.39 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I hit on something else that has yet to come up. These nvidia packages are like ants. I squish one, but find out I missed 17. |
| 03:20.47 | dvs | would rather compile a new kernel |
| 03:20.55 | nonconvergent | nvidia-settings |
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| 03:21.19 | nonconvergent | Which is hilarious, because when removing about it, it starts to complain about nvidia-kernel-dkms... |
| 03:22.29 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34079/ |
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| 03:22.47 | somiaj | rryoumaa: figure out what model you think is reasonable, and then add the line 'option snd-hda-intel model=NAME' to /etc/modprobe.d/conf/intel-hda.conf (create the file) then restart alsa |
| 03:23.17 | linu | The Wheezy freeze was approximately June 2012 wasnt it ? |
| 03:23.30 | somiaj | nonconvergent: don't worry about nvidia-settings, it is a seperate program |
| 03:23.47 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Have to. One of the others complained. |
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| 03:24.03 | somiaj | nonconvergent: which one complaind about that package |
| 03:24.10 | somiaj | linu: seems about right |
| 03:24.12 | nonconvergent | nvidia-alternative breaks nvidia-settings (<< 304.88-2) |
| 03:24.21 | nonconvergent | nvidia-settings (version 304.88-1) is present and installed. |
| 03:24.41 | somiaj | nonconvergent: well then remove it, you want to install your newer versions of nvidia-kernel-dkms anyways |
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| 03:25.35 | somiaj | nonconvergent: let it remove the other nvidia packages as well |
| 03:25.49 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I can't. See the pastebin I just linked. |
| 03:26.05 | nonconvergent | Or rather, I tried. |
| 03:27.15 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yea it is hard being on the side lines, what does 'aptitude -f install' want to do, seems things are in an inconsistant state |
| 03:28.08 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/34080/ |
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| 03:28.51 | somiaj | nonconvergent: follow though with that, does it work? |
| 03:29.23 | nonconvergent | nope. error on nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 03:29.43 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34081/ |
| 03:29.46 | somiaj | nonconvergent: dpkg --purge nvidia-kernel-dkms, looks like we have to undo and fix all the things you have done |
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| 03:30.41 | nonconvergent | haha |
| 03:30.43 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yea that very strange, do you have the nvidia-kernel-dkms deb located in /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-kernel-ffo.deb |
| 03:30.47 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34082/ |
| 03:30.50 | nonconvergent | No, this. |
| 03:30.59 | nonconvergent | I laugh because it's best of all possible responses. |
| 03:31.03 | nonconvergent | Monitors are expensive. |
| 03:31.31 | somiaj | nonconvergent: that ffo was ment to be a foo |
| 03:31.33 | dvs | Now? Not anymore |
| 03:32.08 | mrdeb | how do u uninstall nvidia |
| 03:32.48 | rryoumaa | somiaj: here is what alsamixer looks like right now http://anonmgur.com/up/6df3df1fb58e116dd8e861991ebfaa7a.png |
| 03:33.09 | nonconvergent | somiaj: nvidia-kernel-common_20120630+3_amd64.deb and nvidia-kernel-dkms_304.88-1+deb7u1_amd64.deb are there. |
| 03:33.18 | somiaj | rryoumaa: turn up the 'pcm', then test |
| 03:33.34 | nonconvergent | mrdeb: Let's be honest, I did a lot of this to myself. |
| 03:33.36 | mrdeb | what is pcm? |
| 03:33.51 | rryoumaa | somiaj: already tried that |
| 03:33.59 | mrdeb | i noticed if you turn up pcm all the way, it makes sound distorted |
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| 03:34.13 | somiaj | nonconvergent: install that deb with dpkg |
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| 03:34.24 | somiaj | rryoumaa: you need that to be about 70% to hear things, it is the amplifier |
| 03:34.25 | mrdeb | rryoumaa: turn up pcm to 100 |
| 03:34.39 | mrdeb | and only adjust master |
| 03:34.57 | nonconvergent | somiaj: ...eh...can't do that. |
| 03:34.58 | nonconvergent | haha |
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| 03:35.20 | nonconvergent | it won't build for my kernel, which is why we started this rabbit hole. |
| 03:35.22 | nonconvergent | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 (x86_64) |
| 03:35.31 | rryoumaa | somiaj: still nothing........................................................................................................................ |
| 03:35.34 | rryoumaa | oops, that was my keyboard |
| 03:35.48 | somiaj | nonconvergent: who cares if it can't build, it installs right? |
| 03:35.53 | mrdeb | wow |
| 03:35.59 | nonconvergent | Now I still have the old stable (not old-stable) kernel...so I can reboot into that. |
| 03:36.01 | mrdeb | you can install kernel 3.10 on wheezy? |
| 03:36.19 | nonconvergent | mrdeb: backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 03:36.25 | somiaj | nonconvergent: we were just trying to install it so we can remove it because of the inconsitant state it got into |
| 03:36.39 | mrdeb | does it work ok? |
| 03:36.41 | nonconvergent | It doesn't really say if it installed. |
| 03:36.54 | nonconvergent | The kernel, yes. But as you can see, there are other issues. |
| 03:37.06 | mrdeb | what issues |
| 03:37.47 | nonconvergent | There's not wheezy-backport for the nvidia-kernel-dkms, and the one in stable won't build against the current backport kernel. |
| 03:38.00 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: why not? |
| 03:38.13 | mrdeb | oh i see |
| 03:38.14 | mrdeb | well stick to 3.2 then |
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| 03:39.12 | nonconvergent | If I knew I probably wouldn't need so much help. I'd have fixed it myself. Heck, I'd probably have signed on to the project as a maintainer. As it is, I place my confidence level somewhere above or below mrdeb's, if only because he appears new. |
| 03:39.46 | mrdeb | ... |
| 03:39.54 | mumpitze1 | then paste the output of the unsuccessful compile. the full output |
| 03:40.32 | nonconvergent | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/34083/ |
| 03:40.34 | linu | somiaj: yeah june 2012 seems about right, i might look for a wheezy desktop based around sandy bridge though a quick search doesnt show much |
| 03:41.03 | nonconvergent | somiaj: aptitude reports it now as installed, so I guess it worked |
| 03:41.13 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 03:41.49 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: and ls -l /usr/src/nvidia-current-304.108 |
| 03:42.11 | nonconvergent | mumpitze1: That's useless right now, I'm a mess of 304.108 and 304.88 |
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| 03:42.15 | linu | nonconvergent: did you paste.debian.net the /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/304.88/build/make.log file too ? |
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| 03:42.26 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: if you don't want help, suit yourself. good luck |
| 03:42.29 | nonconvergent | We're working on clearing out the old stuff so I can install the ssb I built. |
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| 03:42.56 | somiaj | nonconvergent: aptitude -f install, does it act like everything is back to normal |
| 03:43.20 | mrdeb | nonconvergent: did u try to reinstall it from start |
| 03:43.33 | nonconvergent | No, I just lack the ability to follow three different sets of instructions at one time, mumpitze1, and I don't know what you're thinking. No disrespect involved. |
| 03:43.47 | nonconvergent | linu: Gimme a second and I'll post that for edification. |
| 03:43.58 | somiaj | nonconvergent: now you have a decision, continoue on with this, or wait for the drivers to be added to wheezy-backports (could be months) |
| 03:44.20 | linu | I do remember hearing something about some kind of bug in a nvidia.com driver and kernel 3.10 |
| 03:44.39 | nonconvergent | somiaj: it appears to be working. It wants to install libgl1-nvidia-alternatives libglx-nvidia-alternatives nvidia-alternative nvidia-vdpau-driver. let it? |
| 03:44.46 | somiaj | linu: yea, that is what we are trying to get around, he needs a newer kernel from backports, but the version of the nvidia driver won't compile against it. |
| 03:45.01 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I would, lets get everything fixed first before deciding what you want to do next |
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| 03:45.19 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
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| 03:45.35 | linu | somiaj: Do you reckon nvidia 325 drivers in experimental might find their way to wheezy-backports in like 6 months or however long? I am curious, as my card does need a newer driver to function |
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| 03:46.01 | somiaj | linu: yes I expect them to be put in wheezy-backports, I don't know how long |
| 03:46.23 | nonconvergent | On top of all this pastebinit is returning only the paste.debian.net...it doesn't appear to be posting anything. |
| 03:46.46 | linu | nonconvergent: I'll try not to add a fourth set of "instructions" LOL. But I did find it tricky getting my nvidia GT735M with optimus running in wheezy (req: nvidia 319 or higher) |
| 03:47.03 | linu | somiaj: nice, well I hope so, or I hope I figure out the right way of installing them myself :) |
| 03:47.14 | nonconvergent | linu: Mine is older. It'll work fine if I can get what this kernel wants. |
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| 03:48.10 | linu | nonconvergent: I do rememeber hearing about a bug in a particular nvidia.com driver version VS a recent linux kernel, they fixed the bug on nvidia.com with a point revision iirc. pity i cant remember much details of this |
| 03:48.56 | nonconvergent | mumpitze1: If you're just curious, here http://paste.debian.net/34086/ but I'm trying now to build the ssb. |
| 03:49.10 | mrdeb | nvidia's current linux driver is 304.108. why is only 304.88 in repors? |
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| 03:49.43 | nonconvergent | mrdeb: Because that's what's in stable. Graphics drivers, as a rule, tend not to see many security fixes. |
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| 03:49.53 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I think I may have another suggestion, I was just looking on snapshot.debian.org, I was able to find a snapshot of the backported 3.9 kenel |
| 03:50.00 | somiaj | nonconvergent: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64/ |
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| 03:50.03 | nonconvergent | , -v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 03:50.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
| 03:50.19 | somiaj | nonconvergent: go get the kernel and headers there, and the squeeze version should compile against that kernel just fine |
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| 03:50.29 | nonconvergent | squeeze? |
| 03:50.32 | somiaj | nonconvergent: so once you fixed everythign (with apt-get -f install) |
| 03:50.37 | somiaj | nonconvergent: sorry, wheezy version |
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| 03:50.48 | nonconvergent | somiaj: already fixed...now I can remove it all...I guess. |
| 03:51.03 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you can either 1), try to get the packages you backported to install or 2) grab the old 3.9 kernel from snapshots and avoid the whole mess |
| 03:51.35 | mrdeb | so it's broken and doesnt get fixed in repo, and you have to install from website |
| 03:51.40 | nonconvergent | I've already done so much on the backport. Lets try that first. If that fails, then the other thing. |
| 03:52.02 | somiaj | nonconvergent: okay now that you have fixed your install, remove all the nvidia packages |
| 03:52.24 | nonconvergent | It's not broken, it just that the version in stable won't build against a much later kernel. |
| 03:53.07 | TeknoJuce | when you do a distribution upgrade do you have to restart the box? |
| 03:53.34 | mumpitze1 | strongly suggests to uninstall all the squeeze nvidia stuff and best deleting its .deb files from the cache first, before installing the 304.108 backport only. |
| 03:53.39 | somiaj | nonconvergent: again at this point since we have basically gotten back to square one (Wish I would have thought of this before) |
| 03:53.52 | mumpitze1 | TeknoJuce: the only times you have to restart debian is for a new kernel or new hardware |
| 03:53.56 | nonconvergent | mrdeb: when you do things off the beaten path, be prepared for it to break |
| 03:54.03 | somiaj | nonconvergent: grabbing the 3.9 kenel image/header/common files from snapshot.debian.org may be far quicker |
| 03:54.07 | TeknoJuce | ok thanks mumpitze1 |
| 03:54.31 | somiaj | mumpitze1: I woudln't delete the debs from the cache, they may be needed, but .deb files in the cache don't interfer or are installed |
| 03:54.41 | somiaj | TeknoJuce: I would because you get a new kernel |
| 03:54.59 | nonconvergent | removing everything that shows up as installed with nvidia-graphics-drivers as a source |
| 03:55.22 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: purge too |
| 03:55.26 | nonconvergent | dpkg: warning: while removing nvidia-kernel-dkms, directory '/usr/src/nvidia-304.88' not empty so not removed |
| 03:55.27 | dpkg | nonconvergent: You are person #3 to send an unparseable request |
| 03:55.40 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: and why would you care about this? |
| 03:55.52 | mumpitze1 | tho you can remove it yourself if you want |
| 03:56.14 | nonconvergent | I dunno. I don't know what anything means, so Socrates is lost on me. It was a warning. It seemed important. |
| 03:56.33 | somiaj | nonconvergent: that is just a warning, from when we tried that patch. you can safely remove that directory |
| 03:56.48 | somiaj | nonconvergent: it is just sayind dpkg did not remove it because it did not want to delete the changes |
| 03:56.58 | nonconvergent | Got that. |
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| 03:58.46 | linu | i tried --purge'ing and deleting caches, but i bjorked the system a number of times getting Optimus to work and instead re-installed many times |
| 03:59.08 | somiaj | linu: by cache do you mean /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 03:59.08 | linu | 'unless you are a linux expert, a fresh install is the clean method |
| 03:59.22 | somiaj | linu: if so I like to keep those around because then I don't have to redown load them if they debs are needed |
| 03:59.42 | nonconvergent | autoclean too? |
| 04:00.17 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I actually sometimes have 3-5 versions of .debs in that directory. But I do try to autoclean when I get everything working nicely |
| 04:00.23 | linu | somiaj: yeah i tried deleting /var/cache/apt/archives afew times but i dont think its really needed. My ISP has a fast debian mirror but yeah nice not to have to re-download |
| 04:00.32 | nonconvergent | I also removed nvidia-kernel-common with autoremove after that. |
| 04:00.35 | somiaj | nonconvergent: not really an issue with stable though, since package versions only add security. in sid it is very useful to have old versions floating around. |
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| 04:01.00 | nonconvergent | Source: nvidia-support |
| 04:01.05 | somiaj | linu: running sid I got in the habbit of keeping them. Many times the fix is install the old package which is no longer downloadable and snapshot.debian.org is a bit cludge to search around |
| 04:01.07 | nonconvergent | so it wouldn't show up in the other thing |
| 04:01.35 | somiaj | nonconvergent: hmm, you may need to backport nvidia-support, one second |
| 04:01.40 | themill | somiaj: you can always use debsnap to get the old version by version number btw |
| 04:02.24 | linu | somiaj: yeah particularly when its no longer downloadable you'd need to keep copies around |
| 04:02.27 | somiaj | themill: oh nice, I will have to try to remver that |
| 04:02.35 | nonconvergent | sudo apt-get -b source nvidia-support |
| 04:02.39 | somiaj | linu: snapshot.debian.org is very nice for that |
| 04:03.31 | somiaj | nonconvergent: correct |
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| 04:04.10 | nonconvergent | doing that with fakeroot |
| 04:04.11 | somiaj | nonconvergent: again I am thinkgin getting a 3.9 kernel from snapshot.debian.org will be far quicker and work just fine....wish I would have thought of this before |
| 04:04.21 | linu | somiaj: ahh thats good. Debian is a really great system |
| 04:04.29 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you don't need the sudo then |
| 04:04.50 | themill | (snapashot.d.o grows by about 11GB/day. It's pretty awesome) |
| 04:04.56 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: no support. 3.10 is a longtime support kernel and probably will get updates via backports. 3.9 does not |
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| 04:05.32 | somiaj | mumpitze1: agreed, but I was thinking as a temp measure until the nvidia drivers are backported |
| 04:05.57 | nonconvergent | I'm more curious than frustrated at this point. |
| 04:06.13 | somiaj | nonconvergent: okay, cool. I was just trying to make suggestion to get it to work. (: |
| 04:06.54 | nonconvergent | I went with a >3.2 kernel anyway mostly out of curiosity. |
| 04:07.02 | linu | im going to wait for nvidia 325 from experimental, pretty much was not skilled at integrating it myself hehe |
| 04:07.20 | nonconvergent | Nothing I need needs it, but a few things I want do. Better btrfs support for one. |
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| 04:08.21 | linu | rryoumaa: i just remembered, with kernel 3.2 my sound wasnt playing but installing kernel 3.10 from wheezy-backports made the sound "just work" too |
| 04:08.36 | linu | rryoumaa: without any alsa upgrades |
| 04:09.00 | rryoumaa | linu: huh. this is a fresh wheezy installation. would that be a good idea? |
| 04:09.02 | somiaj | rryoumaa: a new kernel has newer alsa drivers. So that is kinda misleading, (: |
| 04:09.02 | linu | rryoumaa: without installing a newer alsa package, that is |
| 04:09.19 | linu | rryoumaa: kernel 3.10 of course, is probabl "used" by alsa |
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| 04:09.45 | nonconvergent | Unlike Squeeze, which just plain did not work with my wireless nic without patching in staging drivers. |
| 04:09.54 | linu | somiaj: oh right so there is an "alsa audio driver" in the kernel? I get abit confused by how all this works |
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| 04:10.21 | somiaj | nonconvergent: backports have imporved a lot, but I think this is only the second release they have been offical |
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| 04:10.39 | rryoumaa | somiaj: i am going to follow your links. i have bootstrapping issues on wheezy with multiple things not working together including iceweasel. |
| 04:10.42 | dioz | so, how do i startup eth0 ipv6 via dhcp? |
| 04:10.58 | somiaj | dioz: what do you use to configure your network? |
| 04:11.13 | somiaj | dioz: do you use network-manager, or /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 04:11.19 | linu | rryoumaa: On a fresh wheezy installation, there is a newer kernel in wheezy-backports which has been backported for use on wheezy by the official debian developers |
| 04:11.24 | dioz | networking/interfaces |
| 04:11.54 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I'm also curious about the process. SNS is a minor but chronically reoccuring condition of mine. Despite all this, I'm still likely to grab and manage Eclipse, Wine, and xmonad locally (xmonad from darcs). |
| 04:12.13 | somiaj | dioz: I belive you change 'inet' to 'inet6' |
| 04:12.19 | somiaj | nonconvergent: fvwm user here (: |
| 04:12.46 | nonconvergent | I love a tiler on big, wide, and multiheaded. |
| 04:13.34 | nonconvergent | they fixed an annoying bug in version 0.11...java text fields in java 1.7 had a nasty habit of not giving or taking focus following a standard xmonad relied on. |
| 04:14.04 | somiaj | java windows have always been a pain in the ass to me too. fvwm is basically dead but I still use it |
| 04:14.17 | nonconvergent | okay, go the source and build nvidia-suppor |
| 04:14.40 | nonconvergent | anything else before I try dpkg in everything? |
| 04:14.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: that should be enough, you removed all the nvidia stuff first this time? |
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| 04:16.01 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I've been wrong before...nvidia-vdpau-driver is marked pi |
| 04:16.11 | rryoumaa | somiaj: would you suggest i try the backports kernel? |
| 04:16.17 | rryoumaa | or should i try your other links? |
| 04:16.29 | somiaj | rryoumaa: it could fix and wouldn't take so much |
| 04:16.40 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 04:16.59 | somiaj | nonconvergent: hmm, yea remove that with dpkg --purge |
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| 04:17.43 | somiaj | nonconvergent: that says the desired status is to purge the file, but the current status is installed |
| 04:18.08 | nonconvergent | glx-alternative-nvidia is marked i. All the stuff I just removed is marked pi. Need to remove nvidia-installer-cleanup. nvidia-kernel-dkms is marked pB. |
| 04:18.18 | nonconvergent | some things are marked c |
| 04:18.29 | somiaj | nonconvergent: rc or c just means the config files are left around |
| 04:18.29 | nonconvergent | I'm just gonna pastebin this. |
| 04:18.32 | rryoumaa | just to confirm, as i have never done this before, so i add "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main" to sources.list and then search for kernels and install a newer one? |
| 04:18.57 | somiaj | rryoumaa: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.10-foo (don't know what foo is) |
| 04:19.04 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34099/ |
| 04:19.06 | rryoumaa | ok, thanks |
| 04:19.12 | somiaj | rryoumaa: you have to explicity state to install form wheezy-backports |
| 04:19.21 | nonconvergent | !tell rryoumaa about backports |
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| 04:19.28 | twobitsprite | in CFFI, If there's a #define in a header that just creates an alias for a function name... can I just declare it in the cdef with the signature of the other function? |
| 04:19.34 | rryoumaa | glad i got the sources.list line right |
| 04:19.37 | twobitsprite | oops, mischan :P |
| 04:19.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: dpkg -l | grep nvidia (I prefer that list) |
| 04:19.59 | nonconvergent | The bot has a lot of links to other stuff for it. Just ask dpkg questions |
| 04:20.30 | nonconvergent | rryoumaa: You probably want non-free and contrib too. |
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| 04:21.14 | rryoumaa | nonconvergent: ok, i will ask dpkg for the lines for those |
| 04:21.19 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34100/ |
| 04:21.34 | somiaj | rryoumaa: just replace main with 'main contrib non-free |
| 04:21.53 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 04:21.55 | nonconvergent | rryoumaa: just write them after main, like I assume you've already done with your wheezy definition in sources.list |
| 04:22.15 | somiaj | nonconvergent: remove the glx-alternative-nvidia package |
| 04:22.28 | rryoumaa | sources.list is currently exactly as it was when it was installed |
| 04:22.52 | somiaj | rryoumaa: if you don't want/need non-free you don't need to add that. By default due to the DSFG it is disabled |
| 04:24.26 | nonconvergent | It always boggled me that the FSF naysayed Debian despite non-free not being the default |
| 04:25.20 | somiaj | nonconvergent: some of our packages suggest non-free packages and we make non-free easy to install |
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| 04:25.47 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Anything else? |
| 04:26.14 | somiaj | nonconvergent: that is mostly it, providing non-free sources as unoffical is still close to non-free to them |
| 04:26.37 | somiaj | nonconvergent: actually they are offical as far as I am concerned since they come from debian servers |
| 04:26.58 | nonconvergent | I meant with the other thing. nvidia-installer-cleanup is still there and it's one of the things support just built. |
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| 04:27.13 | somiaj | nonconvergent: sure remove it just to be safe |
| 04:27.25 | nonconvergent | And it wants to take glx-alternative-mesa glx-diversions when it goes |
| 04:28.06 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yea it needs a glx alternatives package. I'm hoping this conflict won't matter latter, but you are in unexplored terretory (: |
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| 04:28.29 | acu | I am installing a qcow2 virtual machine debian wheezy amd64 on a debian wheezy host - kvm --- I chose xfs file system- at the end I get an error -grub-install /dev/vda failed |
| 04:28.50 | nonconvergent | somiaj: so remove it and let it take the two with it? |
| 04:28.51 | acu | can anyone give me a hint <? |
| 04:29.07 | somiaj | nonconvergent: at this point I don't know, its late and I say keep playing if you want |
| 04:29.49 | nonconvergent | Alright. |
| 04:30.03 | nonconvergent | It's gone...nothing exploded. |
| 04:30.14 | acu | I got into an interactive shell, but from here I am stack - how should I tell grub about vda ? |
| 04:30.16 | nonconvergent | dpkg -i for both source packages? |
| 04:30.16 | dpkg | removes a kidney from nonconvergent and replaces it with for both source packages |
| 04:30.50 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yes install the packages you need, hopefully the conflicts have gone away |
| 04:31.07 | nonconvergent | What aobut those configs? |
| 04:31.17 | linu | nonconvergent: i think fsf wants debian to rm -rf non-free totally |
| 04:31.32 | somiaj | you can purge them if you like, but they won't mess with the conflicts you were getting eariler since the packages aren't really installed |
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| 04:31.56 | somiaj | linu: which is why I like debian, I support the DSFG but think users can install non-free if they desire |
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| 04:32.31 | acu | this is the message - grub-install /dev/vda failed ---grub-install /dev/vda failed --grub-install /dev/vda failed |
| 04:32.47 | acu | this is a fatal error |
| 04:32.51 | james41382 | Without the non free packages from Intel my wireless adapter wouldn't work.. |
| 04:33.07 | wonder | Hi I just installed debian how do I install xchat I can't find it in the software center. Thanks |
| 04:33.27 | james41382 | wonder: apt-get install xchat |
| 04:33.37 | linu | somiaj: yep. I think non-free was explained well on a debian wiki. and the fsf explains their reasoning as well |
| 04:33.38 | n3rV3 | acu if the installation went fine, you could boot into the live cd and try to reinstall grub |
| 04:33.42 | somiaj | wonder: have you decent internet sources, can you put the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' at paste.debian.net |
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| 04:33.57 | nonconvergent | Trying this then: sudo dpkg -i nvidia-alternative_304.108-1_amd64.deb nvidia-glx_304.108-1_amd64.deb nvidia-kernel-dkms_304.108-1_amd64.deb xserver-xorg-video-nvidia_304.108-1_amd64.deb libgl1-nvidia-glx_304.108-1_amd64.deb ../nvidia-support/nvidia-kernel-common_20130816+1_amd64.deb ../nvidia-support/nvidia-installer-cleanup_20130816+1_amd64.deb ../nvidia-support/nvidia-support_20130816+1_amd64.deb |
| 04:34.05 | linu | somiaj: iirc fsf said "nearrllllly... 999% but not quite" in regards to listing debian as recommended |
| 04:34.08 | somiaj | wonder: also what do you mean by software-center, debian doens't really use that? Are you useing ubuntu, mint or something else? |
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| 04:34.41 | acu | n3rV3, OK, this is a virtual machine - I guess I can download debian live and start from there, what do I need to reinstall grub ? |
| 04:34.45 | wonder | James thanks. But how come its not on the software center |
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| 04:35.07 | somiaj | wonder: I do not know what this software center you speak is. Debian suggest you use apt-get or aptititude |
| 04:35.24 | wonder | Synaptic |
| 04:35.27 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/34104/ |
| 04:35.35 | n3rV3 | acu: dont download debian live, you could do the re-installation with a debian boot cd/dvd as wll |
| 04:35.37 | n3rV3 | *well |
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| 04:35.48 | somiaj | wonder: I think it is because your sources do not have full internet sources |
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| 04:36.53 | wonder | Somiaj how do I fix that. Thanks |
| 04:37.00 | n3rV3 | acu: once you boot into the shell prompt of recovery mode you |
| 04:37.10 | somiaj | !tell wonder about wheezy sources.list |
| 04:37.12 | nonconvergent | wonder: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:37.40 | n3rV3 | *can chroot into the root partition of installation and then run grub install |
| 04:37.40 | acu | n3rV3, I what ? |
| 04:37.47 | n3rV3 | acu:^^ |
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| 04:38.04 | somiaj | n3rV3: did you mount --bind /dev into the partitoin before you chrooted? |
| 04:38.14 | acu | I do not know how to chroot, that is for inteligent people only ? |
| 04:38.37 | somiaj | acu: its a simple command, (: |
| 04:38.50 | n3rV3 | somiaj: of course you do that |
| 04:38.50 | james41382 | I started getting an error a while ago during shutdown. http://paste.debian.net/34105/ (I typed it so it might have typos) |
| 04:39.03 | wonder | nonconvergent: this is not the computer, but I'll install xchat so that I can |
| 04:39.24 | n3rV3 | somiaj: bind dev, sys and proc also mount boot if its installed on a different partition |
| 04:40.08 | n3rV3 | acu: the steps are given here, though not in detail http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=80387 |
| 04:40.11 | james41382 | Any ideas? I commented out the eth0 stuff in /etc/network/interfaces and it went away since I'm using the network manager daemon anyway, but I am just curious what could be causing it. It wasn't this way in the beginning and then I just noticed it all the sudden. |
| 04:40.53 | somiaj | james41382: probabaly a conflict between the two. network manager probabaly brought downt he interface then it was trying to be brought down again |
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| 04:41.29 | acu | somiaj: it is encouraging :) when I boot I type chroot apt-get install grub2 ? |
| 04:41.53 | acu | n3rV3, thanks, I was looking for it - |
| 04:42.11 | somiaj | acu: listen to n3rV3 first, you do have to mount /dev and /proc and /sys inside the chroot first, but then that is all there is to it |
| 04:42.27 | somiaj | acu: you type chroot /path/to/install |
| 04:42.29 | n3rV3 | somiaj: thanks, was writing just that |
| 04:42.39 | somiaj | acu: after that you are inside your install and can run commands normally |
| 04:43.01 | n3rV3 | acu: hold on mate i will paste a better link |
| 04:44.25 | acu | anyhow, the errror is because I choos an xfs ? I should have made /boot 100 mb as ext4 perhaps |
| 04:44.30 | wonder | Sudo apt-get install xchat doesn't work it says I'm not in the sudoers file |
| 04:44.49 | somiaj | heads to bed, those I was helping just ask the room |
| 04:45.03 | acu | thanks somiaj - bye |
| 04:45.04 | somiaj | wonder: adduser username sudo (as root) then logout and back in as tha tuser |
| 04:45.31 | n3rV3 | acu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot skip step no. 3 |
| 04:45.56 | n3rV3 | acu: its a Ubuntu page i know but the commands are same |
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| 04:47.41 | acu | n3rv3: thanks a bunch for your help :) |
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| 04:52.49 | linu | nite somiaj |
| 04:53.31 | acu | I have a strange question - can I create two partition /boot (for EFI) and /boot1 (for bios) ? |
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| 04:54.58 | beepie | may i ask a ./configure thing here? |
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| 04:57.34 | awfabian | beepie: I'd say go for it. doesn't look to be too much else going on right this minute anyway. |
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| 04:58.38 | beepie | its a dumb question, it's knowing/or some doc i can read about --enable-shared to ./configure |
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| 04:59.05 | toothpick | LtL: sup bro |
| 04:59.06 | quietone | i want to mount some home directories remotely. where do I put the mount cmds? |
| 04:59.22 | beepie | quietone, depends on protocol |
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| 04:59.52 | quietone | for now it is a cifs mount |
| 05:00.14 | beepie | quietone, u need cifs-utils installed and modprobed cifs before you can try.. does the mount command work? |
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| 05:01.21 | quietone | yes, I mount a single /home/user fine. |
| 05:01.38 | beepie | quietone, the manpages explain it all.. |
| 05:01.47 | beepie | quietone, you can add the fstab entry |
| 05:02.02 | beepie | thinks apropos cifs |
| 05:02.04 | wonder | Please help paste.debian.net/34116 |
| 05:02.37 | quietone | beepie, it seems I have to add a line for each user. is that right? |
| 05:03.04 | beepie | cites his own example ( //<hostname/ip>/musicpub /mnt/musicpub/ cifs credentials=/root/.mysmbcred/.musicpub,dir_mode=0555,file_mode=0555,nounix,ro,fsc,_netdev 0 0 ) |
| 05:03.19 | beepie | quietone, ? |
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| 05:03.38 | beepie | quietone, you dont even need /etc/fstab for end-users, if they can use nautilus |
| 05:03.50 | beepie | quietone, (gvfs) |
| 05:04.03 | beepie | quietone, (gnome virtual filesystem service) |
| 05:04.07 | toothpick | wonder, what is the exact issue? |
| 05:04.31 | wonder | I can't install packages |
| 05:04.57 | quietone | beepie, I can mount /home/user not /home and it is a small office with about 10 users |
| 05:05.01 | n3rV3 | wonder: you just need to add repos |
| 05:05.29 | beepie | quietone, I gave an example (see my thoughts) |
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| 05:05.44 | wonder | Where do I get the repo info from? |
| 05:06.59 | beepie | quietone, you're trying to do a cifs-mount for homepath, I think is unusual.. usually nfs is used for mounting home folders |
| 05:07.05 | SkyRocknRoll | hello All , Good morning |
| 05:07.09 | n3rV3 | wonder: you just need to search, here is a usefull link http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=49774 |
| 05:07.30 | themill | wonder, n3rV3: no, don't do that |
| 05:07.44 | SkyRocknRoll | I am facing the following issue. BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at . Any help would be highly appreciated |
| 05:08.05 | themill | dpkg: tell n3rV3 about wheezy sources.list |
| 05:08.10 | themill | err |
| 05:08.14 | themill | dpkg: tell wonder about wheezy sources.list |
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| 05:08.38 | quietone | beepie, it's end of day for me. not sure I understand what you are telling me |
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| 05:09.29 | beepie | quietone, i'm not sure if the cifs mount can be used as a homepath for a user, but I know nfs can be used for this |
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| 05:09.35 | SkyRocknRoll | themill: syslog during the crash http://pastebin.com/SBi72UCs |
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| 05:10.09 | quietone | beepie, the cifs mount did work, but as is I need 1 entry in fstab for each user |
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| 05:10.45 | wonder | Ok ill try to add those |
| 05:10.53 | quietone | just seems a messy solution, even in the short tem |
| 05:11.14 | SkyRocknRoll | some pointer would be really help. |
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| 05:12.02 | beepie | quietone, you may want to ask on #samba whether if you can do this.. as I said i'm not sure .. I believe there's problems, you might even have to tinker with cache settings to optimize things |
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| 05:13.51 | quietone | beepie, good point |
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| 05:30.40 | wonder | Do I have to mount an external HDD with the command each time? |
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| 05:31.56 | acu | wonder you can add it to fstab I think |
| 05:31.59 | acu | !fstab |
| 05:32.00 | dpkg | somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
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| 05:33.06 | acu | wonder: nano /etc/fstab |
| 05:33.37 | C00re | once it is in the fstab you just mount it with i.e 'mount /mnt/disk' |
| 05:34.23 | C00re | unless its always plugged in, then make it automount |
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| 05:35.16 | beepie | wonder, /usr/share/doc/<apt>/examples |
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| 05:35.50 | beepie | !mirror |
| 05:35.50 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:38.21 | wonder | Okay thanks, Debian is great but not as user friendly as I thought. I think I'm just going to go back to a ubuntu base distro like trisquel |
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| 05:47.17 | codepython777 | has anyone built an iso from embedian here? |
| 05:47.32 | themill | haven't we been through this enough times yet? |
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| 05:49.22 | codepython777 | themill: do you know what size install does embedian grip have? |
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| 05:50.45 | codepython777 | 56MB, cool |
| 05:50.46 | themill | that depends entirely on what you install. These are tools that *you* need to use to put together an installation that is tailored to *your* needs. "embedded" is a fancy way of "doesn't work with generic stuff and wants manual handling" |
| 05:52.27 | codepython777 | themill: http://www.emdebian.org/release/squeeze/#iso - is this available for wheezy as well? |
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| 05:54.20 | codepython777 | seems like isos are available for squeeze embedian grip , but cant find them for wheezy |
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| 06:14.30 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] The contents of the ASCII text file /etc/bash_completion is: ". /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion". What is the purpose of this file? |
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| 06:15.50 | halt | Morning guys, I just installed apache with php on one of my debian host but the php files are not excecuted, but I can't find out what did i missed , i installed the package, enabled and load the module add the handler and it's still not working :S |
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| 06:16.31 | themill | bullgard4: to run the command ". /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion". |
| 06:17.11 | bullgard4 | I see. |
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| 06:24.54 | clawtros | i seem to have gotten myself into a sticky apt situation. i uh dist-upgraded and it removed like everything (xorg, gnome, kernel, etc). now i'm getting the "impossible situation" message if i try to install anything. |
| 06:24.55 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | hey guys |
| 06:25.13 | clawtros | and a whole lot of "but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 06:25.35 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | anyone have an ideea how i can install IKVM |
| 06:25.37 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | ? |
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| 06:27.07 | halt | clawtros: did you changed the repo list ? if so try to resolve the package dependencies fisrt with the original list what you had |
| 06:27.13 | bullgard4 | themill: Would not have been using a symlink instead a more elegant solution? |
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| 06:28.03 | clawtros | halt: i think i changed some mirrors from hm one that wasn't resolving to the official one? (like maybe ftp.nrc.ca to ftp.ca.debian.org) |
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| 06:28.46 | halt | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: did you tried the official repo package ? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ikvm |
| 06:28.52 | themill | clawtros: dist-upgrade from what to what? (and why did you let it?) |
| 06:29.07 | themill | bullgard4: possibly, although that would require more careful handling from the maintainer scripts in the squeeze->wheezy upgrade. |
| 06:29.11 | jmcnaught | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_the_dpkg_divert_command says that dpkg-divert "is meant for the package maintenance scripts. Its casual use by the system administrator is deprecated." However on the wiki, http://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages#Alternatives_to_config_packages says that I should be using dpkg-divert (and related techniques depending on the package) if I'm managing configuration with a tool like Puppet |
| 06:29.31 | clawtros | themill: i uh may have been drinking |
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| 06:29.44 | themill | clawtros: good thing you've got backups then |
| 06:30.05 | bullgard4 | themill: Ah! Thank you very much for explaining. |
| 06:30.21 | clawtros | themill: "don't drink and dist-upgrade" -- lesson learned, ha |
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| 06:31.10 | themill | jmcnaught: first I've heard of that and dpkg-divert(8) doesn't say that. It's a great way of making a mess and generally not a great thing to have to do though. |
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| 06:31.50 | jelly-home | dpkg, flw67 is <clawtros> i seem to have gotten myself into a sticky apt situation. i uh dist-upgraded and it removed like everything (xorg, gnome, kernel, etc). now i'm getting the "impossible situation" message if i try to install anything. <clawtros> themill: i uh may have been drinking |
| 06:31.50 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 06:32.13 | clawtros | aah my shame is immortalized |
| 06:32.17 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 06:32.29 | themill | !win jelly-home |
| 06:32.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
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| 06:32.46 | clawtros | /o\ |
| 06:32.58 | jelly-home | mmm, cheap dates and bombings |
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| 06:35.22 | jmcnaught | themill: so i should just rely on packages not replacing conffiles that have been edited, and not bother making diversions? I was considering adding a diversion for every conffile that my Ansible playbook pushes to the server |
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| 06:38.39 | clawtros | welp dist-upgrade -f seems to have gotten me a kernel again. and.. updated libreoffice? |
| 06:39.20 | jelly-home | jmcnaught: if you do, test carefully what happens to diversions in these cases: an underneath package is upgraded; a package is purged; an upgrade fails and abort-upgrade action is invoked. There were weird interactions last time I tried diverting conffiles. |
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| 06:41.55 | jmcnaught | jelly-home: thanks that's good to know. I'm starting to get the sense that this strategy of mine is a little overboard anyways |
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| 07:05.03 | themill | jmcnaught: yeah, conf.d-style management > ucf > dpkg conffiles > dpkg-divert |
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| 07:13.24 | jmcnaught | i was experimenting with diverting the files in /etc/dovecot/conf.d. Using a command like "dpkg-divert --local --rename --divert /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf.debian-dovecot-core --add /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf" and then copying my new version to /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf. I was thinking that this might give me more control than simply using dpkg --confdef --confold. But now I think this is probably overkill. |
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| 07:16.15 | nonconvergent | Can I reinstall debian on / and not touch /home with any small amount of danger? |
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| 07:17.07 | nonconvergent | Seperate partions on an lvm inside an encrypted ...you know what, that's going to be a wrinkle. |
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| 07:19.07 | jmcnaught | nonconvergent: you should always do a backup first. But yes I've done that before, even with an encrypted LVM setup. You should only do something like that to save the time it takes to restore all the files. It's not a shortcut around needing to do a backup |
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| 07:20.37 | themill | nonconvergent: I did suggest earlier that you'd need to install glx-alternative-nvidia as well |
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| 07:21.10 | jmcnaught | nonconvergent: actually i don't know if i've ever done it with encrypted volumes. but once i installed Debian (replacing Ubuntu) and was able to keep my RAID and LVM configuration intact (and no files lost on /home) using just the debian installer |
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| 07:21.50 | jmcnaught | nonconvergent: but ususally a broken system can be fixed without reinstalling :) |
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| 07:22.58 | jmcnaught | ugh... time to go to bed. thanks for the feedback folks :) |
| 07:24.22 | nonconvergent | too late anyway |
| 07:24.38 | nonconvergent | encryption key is gone with the partition table. |
| 07:24.52 | themill | also... having had several people spend *hours* with you working on this, it's pretty bloody annoying for you to just reinstall and waste all that time |
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| 07:29.31 | jelly-home | the dangers of tech support |
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| 07:41.33 | powermaniac | Hi, is there a Debian equivalent to the Fedora Electronic Lab? |
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| 07:42.00 | tralala | what is the fedora electronic lab? |
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| 07:42.57 | powermaniac | It's high-end hardware design and simulation platform. |
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| 07:43.15 | powermaniac | Well what I'm after is software to create a cpu schematic, essentially. |
| 07:43.19 | kanliot | what's a good terminal mail reader with effortless config? |
| 07:43.41 | powermaniac | And I was hoping it would have a large community which might already have some work done on cpu designs |
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| 07:47.07 | tralala | powermaniac, that's well beyond my knowledge, sorry |
| 07:47.21 | powermaniac | tralala: Okay thanks anyway. |
| 07:47.24 | themill | powermaniac: FEL isn't really anything other than an easy way of installing a pile of packages related to electronics. You can install most/all of them in debian too either individually or by installiong the science-electronics package |
| 07:47.29 | musca | kanliot: mutt is what's a good terminal mail reader with effortworth config |
| 07:47.44 | kanliot | ok ty musca |
| 07:48.00 | tralala | kanliot, mutt is good, but you have to edit config files. It's not difficult. |
| 07:49.32 | powermaniac | themill: Thanks! I shall look into that for sure. |
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| 07:55.48 | rkhshm | i just installed the latest debian but the GUI seems to be a bit odd. Its difficult to explain clearly but this is how its turning out to be http://imagebin.org/269637 |
| 07:55.57 | rkhshm | are there any video drivers that i need to install? |
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| 08:01.27 | babilen | rkhshm: What's the problem? I would run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and choose "Autohinter" in lieu of "Native", but what else is "a bit odd" ? |
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| 08:08.29 | rkhshm | babilen: i dont have dpkg-reconfigure cmd at all |
| 08:09.02 | eb0t | hey i have tried to download the pidgin-skype |
| 08:09.04 | mumpitze1 | rkhshm: then you don't run debian. it has to be run as root |
| 08:09.11 | eb0t | and i cant see it in my list of plugins |
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| 08:19.45 | babilen | rkhshm: You have to run that as root (or via sudo) -- But please explain what you find "a bit odd" about your desktop. I can't really see anything. |
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| 08:25.33 | eeelumbella | hi there. i recently upgraded my debian testing. it said it's gonna need some space on my root partition. i didn't check if i still had enough room so after the update my root partition was full |
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| 08:25.45 | eeelumbella | since then i cleared some space and rebootet |
| 08:26.09 | eeelumbella | but now my terminals don't work. windows open but i see no prompt. any advice? |
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| 08:31.03 | what | hi |
| 08:31.06 | rkhshm | basically i'm coming from ubuntu where all the window pallets were cleanly drawn , especially the edges were all clean and crip. This is the first time im using debian native on my machine so it kinda looked odd to me (may be its the way) so thought i will ask |
| 08:31.14 | what | I have a question about Debian |
| 08:31.20 | bezaban | eeelumbella: try dpkg --audit to find partially installed packages |
| 08:31.27 | what | but I will express it through song, interpretive dance, and metaphor |
| 08:31.36 | what | okay let us begin |
| 08:31.46 | what | i hear something sayin... |
| 08:31.47 | what | ooooo |
| 08:31.49 | what | ahhhhhhh |
| 08:31.50 | what | ooohhhhh |
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| 08:31.52 | what | aahhhhhhhh |
| 08:31.55 | what | ooooo |
| 08:31.56 | what | ahhhhh |
| 08:32.05 | what | thats the sound of the men working on the chain |
| 08:32.06 | what | ....gang |
| 08:32.09 | what | thats the sound of the men |
| 08:32.13 | what | working on the chain...gang |
| 08:32.15 | what | ooo |
| 08:32.17 | what | ahhhhh |
| 08:32.18 | teraflops | !kick what |
| 08:32.18 | dpkg | kicks what in the ass. |
| 08:32.19 | what | oooooo |
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| 08:32.24 | what | ahhhhh |
| 08:32.31 | what | thats the sound of the men... |
| 08:32.33 | what | working on the chain... |
| 08:32.36 | what | gang.... |
| 08:32.38 | what | thats the sound of the men |
| 08:32.42 | what | working on the chain...gang |
| 08:32.43 | what | hi teraflops |
| 08:32.46 | what | do you like music |
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| 08:32.56 | what | im listening to this song right now |
| 08:32.57 | what | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2XHYKWLGTg |
| 08:32.58 | bezaban | please stop spamming what |
| 08:33.10 | what | ok |
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| 08:33.32 | eeelumbella | bezaban: i did that. it says module-init-tools need reinstalling |
| 08:33.43 | what | can't you hear them sayin...im goin home one of these days..im going home see my woman whom i love so dear, but meanwhile i gotta work right here. thats the sound of the men working on the chain..gang |
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| 08:34.07 | eeelumbella | when i try that, dpkg can't find ldconfig in $PATH |
| 08:34.42 | ChrisH | eeelumbella: as root? try sudo -i and rerun it |
| 08:34.50 | bezaban | eeelumbella: try su - then installing it |
| 08:34.57 | eeelumbella | ChrisH: as root, yes |
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| 08:35.38 | bezaban | apt is not very good when it runs out of disk space, it often ends up breaking |
| 08:35.53 | ChrisH | eeelumbella: check dpkg -l libc-bin ; ls -l /sbin/ldconfig |
| 08:36.07 | eb0t | hi i downloaded the pidgin-skype but i cant see it in my tools |
| 08:36.21 | eeelumbella | bezaban: thats a big problem, yes :/ |
| 08:36.31 | eb0t | i tried again and it said nothing downloaded |
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| 08:36.40 | eb0t | so i assume its on my box |
| 08:36.42 | eeelumbella | oh now it works. sudo wont do it but su - will... |
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| 08:36.57 | bezaban | I find it a little odd that it reports the space needed but doesn't actually do any checks itself |
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| 08:38.16 | eeelumbella | bezaban: maybe it calculates the spaces necessary for the new packages but forgets about the temporary space needed for installation |
| 08:38.42 | bezaban | eeelumbella: computers don't forget! ;) |
| 08:39.31 | eeelumbella | bezaban: computers don't, but programmers do from time to time ;) |
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| 08:40.04 | bezaban | mm :) |
| 08:40.09 | eeelumbella | alright, i did all this but terminals still won't show a prompt. do i need to reboot? |
| 08:41.23 | bezaban | you could try. module-init-tools could break a lot of stuff I think |
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| 08:42.01 | bezaban | might still need to look for some other partially installed packages, but if --audit only reported that you might be in 'luck' |
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| 08:44.47 | eeelumbellb | bezaban: nope, still no prompt :/ |
| 08:46.32 | osfd | how to find the oldest file in a folder, please ? |
| 08:47.07 | bhuddah | ls -lt? |
| 08:48.26 | osfd | bhuddah: this returns every files sorted |
| 08:48.36 | bhuddah | yes... |
| 08:48.40 | osfd | I only want the last one created |
| 08:48.48 | bhuddah | so the newest one? |
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| 08:49.04 | osfd | my point is to remove the oldest file in the folder |
| 08:49.13 | osfd | sorry, I meant the first one created |
| 08:49.19 | osfd | so the oldest one |
| 08:49.21 | ChrisH | osfd: the oldest or the younget? oldest: ls -rtl | tail -1 |
| 08:49.21 | tootpick | i have two partitions with / mount point. How do i get rid of one? |
| 08:49.30 | bhuddah | okay. |
| 08:49.41 | bhuddah | so ChrisH solution without the r |
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| 08:49.46 | jelly-home | osfd: linux does not keep track of creation time. You can pick the one with oldest change. |
| 08:50.20 | ChrisH | bhuddah: ack... without r |
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| 08:51.04 | jelly-home | tootpick: are you sure those are two different partitions? Debian 7 just shows the same / mountpoint two times in /proc/mounts and "mount" and "df" output |
| 08:51.08 | bhuddah | or just ls -t | tail -1 for just the filename. |
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| 08:51.41 | jelly-home | tootpick: "rootfs" is not a real device |
| 08:51.52 | osfd | bhuddah: so I guess I can pipe it to rm after |
| 08:52.11 | tootpick | jelly-home: i'm pretty sure they are two different partitions (on two different disks). gparted shows the same |
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| 08:52.32 | osfd | ls -t | tail -1 | rm ? |
| 08:52.46 | bhuddah | uh |
| 08:52.53 | bezaban | eeelumbella: not sure what the prompt issue is related to, if it is a broken shell, terminal application or virtual terminal devices. Full disk can cause problems with all sorts of packages. Someone else will probably have to work as I need to do some work :( |
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| 08:53.18 | bhuddah | osfd: make sure that the paths are in there. |
| 08:53.19 | jelly-home | tootpick: pastebin the contents of /etc/fstab, output of "blkid" and "mount" commands. Can you point out the issue in there? |
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| 08:53.55 | eeelumbella | bezaban: thanks a lot. it's not thar urgent, i can still use my other login shells if needed |
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| 08:54.14 | eeelumbella | i have to study too, so maybe i will ask again later :) |
| 08:54.14 | doebi | i am trying to stream audio to an airplay device using pulseaudio. when i select my airplay in the list of output devices it doesnt play anything ether local nor remote and after few seconds the output device switches back to local. |
| 08:54.21 | tootpick | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/gw7C5SMn |
| 08:54.59 | jelly-home | tootpick: could you put all of that into a single pastebin, please |
| 08:56.27 | tootpick | jelly-home: oh sure. sorry. here http://pastebin.com/jURhxxZT |
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| 08:58.32 | jelly-home | tootpick: interesting. Have you copied the contents of sda5 to sdb1 at any time in the past? |
| 08:58.59 | tootpick | jelly-home: yes, that's what i am trying to do. sda is a small disk. sdb is a new one i bought |
| 08:59.20 | tootpick | jelly-home: but i made a boo boo before while trying to do this so now it's messed up |
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| 09:00.06 | jelly-home | tootpick: what does ls -ld /dev/disk/by-uuid/a3fd0471-ae1b-4dbc-9d43-0e7c6be89eab say? |
| 09:00.36 | tootpick | jelly-home: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Sep 3 04:48 /dev/disk/by-uuid/a3fd0471-ae1b-4dbc-9d43-0e7c6be89eab -> ../../sdb1 |
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| 09:01.41 | jelly-home | tootpick: so sdb1 is active at present. You can wipe the contents of sda5 or delete the partition or reformat that filesystem or at least change the UUID with tune2fs |
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| 09:02.25 | tootpick | jelly-home: i'm confused because right now i'm booted into the system. I'm not sure if i'm booted using sdb or sda |
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| 09:02.41 | tootpick | DiskUtility shows i'm booted on sda5 |
| 09:02.43 | jelly-home | tootpick: it looks like it's sdb1 |
| 09:02.48 | tootpick | Gparted shows i'm booted on sdb1 |
| 09:03.06 | jelly-home | tootpick: well. |
| 09:03.38 | jelly-home | tootpick: dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda5 | grep 'Filesystem state:' |
| 09:04.03 | tootpick | dumpe2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) |
| 09:04.05 | tootpick | Filesystem state: clean |
| 09:04.05 | jelly-home | tootpick: one of them ought to be clean ("not in use") the other something else |
| 09:04.06 | nonconvergent | Okay, I threw the whole thing into the sun and started over. Trying out Gnome for the first time. I think it failed to run Gnome 3 and is on fallback (because of a little message that said something to that effect) |
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| 09:04.33 | nonconvergent | Probably a lack of compositng support from a lack of 3d in nouveau |
| 09:04.41 | nonconvergent | But I'd like to know where to look. |
| 09:04.44 | jelly-home | tootpick: and sdb1? |
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| 09:04.53 | tootpick | dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdb1 | grep 'Filesystem state:' |
| 09:04.56 | tootpick | dumpe2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) |
| 09:04.58 | tootpick | Filesystem state: clean |
| 09:05.05 | tootpick | the previous one is for sda5 |
| 09:05.39 | jelly-home | meh. |
| 09:05.46 | jelly-home | grep for 'Last mount time:' then |
| 09:05.59 | jelly-home | or look at the whole output |
| 09:06.00 | tootpick | jelly-home: i'm not sure how to do that |
| 09:06.18 | tootpick | oh ok |
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| 09:06.52 | tootpick | this is for sdb1 |
| 09:06.54 | tootpick | dumpe2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) |
| 09:06.56 | tootpick | Last mount time: Tue Sep 3 00:30:29 2013 |
| 09:07.11 | jelly-home | the later one is in use |
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| 09:07.19 | tootpick | and this one for sda5 |
| 09:07.22 | tootpick | dumpe2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) |
| 09:07.24 | tootpick | Last mount time: Tue Sep 3 04:39:27 2013 |
| 09:07.31 | jelly-home | that's unfortunate |
| 09:07.41 | tootpick | why |
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| 09:07.45 | tootpick | is that not right? |
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| 09:08.02 | jelly-home | because it means sda5 was used last (and probably the current one mounted) |
| 09:08.37 | tootpick | when i tried to mount sdb1 on DiskUtility |
| 09:08.44 | tootpick | it says it is already mounted in / |
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| 09:09.04 | tootpick | and if I try to unmount sdb1 from Gparted, it gives an error as well |
| 09:09.10 | jelly-home | DiskUtility might be buggy when two fs have the same uuid for all we know |
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| 09:09.31 | jelly-home | tootpick: if you don't care about the changes done in the meantime, change its uuid and reboot |
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| 09:09.52 | tootpick | jelly-home: one small problem, I don't believe i have grub installed on sdb |
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| 09:10.03 | tootpick | jelly-home: i was trying to mount sdb1 so I could install grub o nit |
| 09:10.08 | tootpick | *on it |
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| 09:10.21 | tootpick | jelly-home: I plan to remove sda altogether from this system |
| 09:10.42 | jelly-home | tootpick: solve the root fs first, and deal with boot loader second |
| 09:11.07 | tootpick | jelly-home: ok, so what do i need to do to fix root fs? |
| 09:11.18 | jelly-home | as tune2fs manual says, "tune2fs -U random /dev/sda5" should change its UUID to something random |
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| 09:11.54 | tootpick | jelly-home: ok done. now should i reboot? |
| 09:12.00 | jelly-home | tootpick: verify it got changed by running blkid again afterwards -- uuids for sda5 and sdb1 should not be the same any more |
| 09:12.36 | tootpick | jelly-home: confirmed. they are different |
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| 09:12.48 | jelly-home | right, so next reboot should pick sdb1 |
| 09:13.04 | tootpick | jelly-home: thank you. i will be back soon |
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| 09:15.28 | tootpick | jelly-home: hi jelly |
| 09:15.49 | tootpick | jelly-home: i am pretty sure it booted from sdb1 now. i could hear the disk |
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| 09:17.38 | jelly-home | heh |
| 09:17.59 | tootpick | jelly-home: i ran this command: grub-install --boot-directory=/ /dev/sdb |
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| 09:18.29 | tootpick | jelly-home: to install grub on MBR of the new disk. it returned no error reported. am i good to go u think? |
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| 09:19.06 | jelly-home | tootpick: you don't seem to have a separate /boot, was there a reason to specify --boot-directory? |
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| 09:19.37 | tootpick | jelly-home: i thought it was mandatory to specify that |
| 09:19.44 | jelly-home | I'd have omitted it |
| 09:19.52 | tootpick | ok i shall rerun it |
| 09:20.05 | babilen | options are, typically, optional ;) |
| 09:20.15 | tootpick | lol yes Sir. |
| 09:20.18 | tootpick | ok time for me to reboot? |
| 09:20.37 | jelly-home | tootpick: sure, keep a liveusb or livecd handy tho |
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| 09:21.27 | yeehi | i use files to search for a folder I know exists. (I can see it. I can find the folder, using files.) Then I search again for a different folder, which i can see exists elsewhere on the same file system, but I cannot get any results for my search in files, even when I start the search in the correct folder. Why is this? |
| 09:21.36 | tootpick | i made a boo boo of my liveusb too (details on that some other time :) u already helped me enough). i'll be back to report the outcome. |
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| 09:21.59 | marcin_ | Hi, I have strange issue on one of my servers. When I'm connecting to server over KVM to all commands that I input I have prepended ^[. Does anyone knowns what's going on? Other servers work fine. |
| 09:22.06 | nonconvergent | Awesome. |
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| 09:22.31 | nonconvergent | I broke X.org on a fresh Wheezy. |
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| 09:23.56 | tootpick | jelly-home: hi jelly. It rebooted perfectly. i'm now on the new disk with the old one removed. |
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| 09:24.04 | jelly-home | !win tootpick |
| 09:24.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, tootpick! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:24.07 | nonconvergent | Ran aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 09:24.25 | nonconvergent | Assumed it would blacklist on its own. |
| 09:24.31 | osfd | bhuddah: what do you think of this http://paste.debian.net/34197/ ? |
| 09:24.35 | nonconvergent | blacklist nouveau |
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| 09:25.05 | nonconvergent | Instead I see nouveau was still, or attempted to run, in Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:25.14 | tootpick | jelly-home: AOL cds? :) by the way jelly i have one question. How does grub know that i'm booting from a new disk not the old disk . The order of disk (installed in sata ports) has changed. |
| 09:25.19 | nonconvergent | Little help? |
| 09:25.27 | jelly-home | tootpick: it doesn't care |
| 09:26.09 | jelly-home | tootpick: by default, grub in debian searches all the visible disks and partitions for a filesystem with a matching UUID |
| 09:26.26 | bhuddah | osfd: it's a quick hack... if you need that more often, you should try to have an input variable for the path and so on. |
| 09:26.34 | jelly-home | tootpick: also: you don't have swap space at present |
| 09:26.39 | tootpick | jelly-home: oh ok that makes sense. so that mean uuid is stored in each partition? |
| 09:27.01 | osfd | bhuddah: what do you mean input variable ?? |
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| 09:27.13 | jelly-home | tootpick: uuis is part of the filesystem structure (and a filesystem is stored on a partition) |
| 09:27.17 | jelly-home | uuid* |
| 09:27.21 | nonconvergent | judd: pciid 10de:1040 |
| 09:27.22 | judd | [10de:1040] is 'GF119 [GeForce GT 520]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1040 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 09:27.33 | tootpick | jelly-home: that makes sense |
| 09:27.47 | babilen | nonconvergent: It does do that, did you reboot? |
| 09:27.50 | tootpick | jelly-home: well all i can say is thank you jelly. This was very quick |
| 09:28.03 | jelly-home | you're welcome |
| 09:28.13 | nonconvergent | babilen: Yes, which is why it's not working. It was on nouveau...now apparently it still thinks it's on nouveau |
| 09:28.21 | bhuddah | osfd: so that you can feed input to your script. like the paths it should work on. and you probably need a loop to loop over multiple directories... but i'm just guessing. i have no idea what you want to do with that script. |
| 09:28.25 | tootpick | what does ! win do? |
| 09:28.52 | nonconvergent | Despite the fact that nouveau got replaced with nvidia |
| 09:29.27 | jelly-home | tootpick: /msg dpkg literal cmd: win (.*?) |
| 09:30.03 | tootpick | jelly-home: i didn't get any of that. I just saw you type ! win followed by my name that's why i asked |
| 09:30.13 | babilen | nonconvergent: "nvidia-kernel-common: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf" (from apt-file), make sure you have that file and that you configured Xorg correctly. I also hope that you will work on fixing issues rather than reinstalling the system this time around. It is quite demotivating to know that you reinstalled. |
| 09:30.18 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.30 | PoG | how do i check connection to another server ? |
| 09:30.32 | jelly-home | tootpick: it makes dpkg, the bot, respond in a humorous manner |
| 09:30.33 | eb0t | i pressed escape and got the login prompt |
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| 09:30.42 | nukeesimohd | ciao |
| 09:30.44 | nonconvergent | babilen: I got into backport hel. |
| 09:30.45 | tootpick | jelly-home: oh ok. interesting. |
| 09:30.47 | eb0t | but now i just get the debian background screen ... |
| 09:30.47 | PoG | im using an api to grab data, and sometimes im getting nothing back |
| 09:30.48 | osfd | bhuddah: this is a backup script http://paste.debian.net/34214/ |
| 09:30.52 | tootpick | jelly-home: thanks jelly |
| 09:30.53 | eb0t | i cant do anyting |
| 09:31.06 | nukeesimohd | !lista |
| 09:31.14 | eb0t | the mouse is there but notheing esles on screen |
| 09:31.23 | bhuddah | osfd: so you want to remove the oldest backup from a set? |
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| 09:31.36 | babilen | nukeesimohd: Just stop using illegal software and install a free and open source operating system like Debian! :) |
| 09:31.44 | nonconvergent | babilen: And I didn't configure X, or rather didn't make an xorg.conf. It should run without it. |
| 09:31.49 | tootpick | eb0t: can you press ALT-F4 or ALT-F3. Then run service gdm3 restart as su |
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| 09:32.07 | osfd | well, I execute this script everyday and I want the oldest file to be removed because the new one has just been done |
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| 09:32.19 | osfd | it's in the crontab |
| 09:32.28 | x12 | Hi |
| 09:32.32 | tootpick | eb0t: "service gdm3 restart" on since line |
| 09:32.34 | eb0t | no tootpick alt f3 and altf4 have no effect |
| 09:32.37 | tootpick | *single |
| 09:32.52 | babilen | nonconvergent: No, the nvidia driver is *not* used automatically and you have to configure it to use it. It will *try* to use nouveau and fail as nouveau has been blacklisted. See https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration for further details and please follow the instructions therein. (haven't I pointed out this page yesterday?) |
| 09:32.59 | bhuddah | osfd: i would suggest using logrotate for that. otherwise you need more things to check for repeated call of the script and so on.... |
| 09:33.06 | jelly-home | babilen: weird, dpkg responds to neither "literal lista" nor "lista is ..." nor "lista" |
| 09:33.06 | tootpick | eb0t: seems like a deadlock. Usually happens due to resource contention in video drivers. Do you have proper video drivers installed? |
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| 09:33.17 | nonconvergent | babilen: nvidia-kernel-common.conf is there, with blacklist nouveau at the bottom. |
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| 09:33.22 | babilen | eb0t: It might just be that your screensaver died, log into tty1 and kill it manually. |
| 09:33.23 | eb0t | yes i have nividia drivers installed |
| 09:33.36 | osfd | bhuddah: logrotate... I guess I'll to do some ddg search |
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| 09:33.47 | eb0t | how can i log into tty1 when the pc is locked up ...is it possible |
| 09:33.47 | babilen | eb0t: Also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors |
| 09:34.00 | x12 | When my laptop starts up, it seems to be sending a DHCP request from dhclient on an unplugged ethernet (eth0). Is there a way to make it so that it doesn't make a DHCP request (and waste time on startup) if the ethernet is not plugged in? |
| 09:34.06 | tootpick | eb0t: by pressing ALT+F1 |
| 09:34.27 | tootpick | "sorry CTRL-ALT+F1" |
| 09:34.37 | babilen | eb0t: You didn't say that it is locked up, you might be able to ssh into it and take it from there. But try CTRL-ALT-F1; it might be that Xorg locked up so badly that you cannot get out of it though. |
| 09:34.42 | nonconvergent | I see something in kern.log |
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| 09:35.10 | nonconvergent | "nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" |
| 09:35.11 | tootpick | eb0t: Type "CTRL-ALT-F1". then type "su". type your password then type "service gdm3 restart" |
| 09:35.21 | eb0t | ah ok |
| 09:35.32 | eb0t | yes ctrl alt f1 takes me to login |
| 09:35.38 | eb0t | wow |
| 09:35.43 | babilen | nonconvergent: As I said: You have to configure Xorg to use nvidia. It cannot work without that configuration file and as you haven't created it I am not surprised that it isn't working. Do I need to say more? |
| 09:35.51 | tootpick | now login |
| 09:35.51 | tootpick | and then type su |
| 09:36.03 | tootpick | once you are root. then type "service gdm3 restart" |
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| 09:36.15 | babilen | tootpick: I would try killing the screensaver first before restarting gdm3 (and thereby killing the entire session) |
| 09:36.21 | babilen | eb0t: ^ |
| 09:36.31 | eb0t | hey tootpick i have done a $top command |
| 09:36.38 | babilen | ... |
| 09:36.42 | tootpick | babilen: true. babilen is right, go with his suggestion on that |
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| 09:36.54 | babilen | Ah well, who needs unsaved session data anyway? |
| 09:36.55 | eb0t | hey do you just type $gdn3 |
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| 09:37.23 | tootpick | eb0t: hold on that for now. I'll let babilen inform you how to kill screensaver |
| 09:37.23 | nonconvergent | babilen: I don't remember it being that way. I have gotten away with not have Xorg.confs but stil having nvidia on Wheezy with a different environment |
| 09:37.32 | Will_Tampa | Hi all |
| 09:37.32 | babilen | nonconvergent: It was always like that. |
| 09:37.36 | eb0t | hey gdn3 command not found |
| 09:38.12 | tootpick | it is gdm3. but try killing the screensaver first |
| 09:38.22 | tootpick | as you may have valuable data stored in UI |
| 09:38.45 | eb0t | how do you kill a screensaver...the proces doesnt seem to have anything called screensaver |
| 09:38.52 | babilen | eb0t: First and foremost: Please *do not* kill, restart or stop g*d*m3 at the moment but run something like "killall gnome-screensaver" and then check on tty7 (ctrl-alt-f7) if you have a usable desktop environment again. Adjust the command if you use a different screensaver. |
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| 09:39.11 | jelly-home | nonconvergent, babilen: the factoid for nvidia dkms shows how to only put in an xorg.conf.d/ bit, so technically it's not the WHOLE xorg.conf file |
| 09:39.33 | nonconvergent | factoid? |
| 09:39.34 | babilen | No, I never meant that |
| 09:39.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell nonconvergent -about nvidia dkms |
| 09:39.45 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 09:40.17 | babilen | nonconvergent: The wiki article follows that factoid and adds more meat ... Just read it, follow its advice and be done with it. |
| 09:41.19 | tootpick | babilen, jelly-home good night all |
| 09:41.36 | nonconvergent | I don't know what to tell you, but I've run Debian 7 with XFCE, fresh off the installer, changed from nouveau to nvidia, and never wrote an xorg.conf. I set resolution through xrander once and xfce kept it. |
| 09:41.38 | babilen | eb0t: Something like "pkill screensaver" might work, or try "pkill -9 screensaver" -- You can run "pgrep -l screensaver" first to check what it matches. |
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| 09:42.49 | babilen | nonconvergent: The only way that might have worked is if you forgot to blacklist nouveau and you did, in fact, used nouveau still. IIRC that was the case when we started this whole malarkey, so ... would it be so bad to follow our advice now and *move on* ? |
| 09:42.53 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: changed to nvidia how? |
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| 09:43.14 | eb0t | i did kill 3738 |
| 09:43.17 | nonconvergent | followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:43.24 | eb0t | which was the gnome screensaver ...no |
| 09:43.25 | jelly-home | actually, I probably don't want to know |
| 09:43.25 | nonconvergent | ...maybe two or three months ago |
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| 09:43.38 | babilen | eb0t: "...no" ? |
| 09:43.39 | eb0t | now i did ctrl alt f7 |
| 09:43.48 | eb0t | and it let me into a screen |
| 09:43.54 | eb0t | and everything is ok on that screen |
| 09:43.56 | jelly-home | that wiki page was an unfollowable mess of alternatives until recently |
| 09:43.56 | nonconvergent | babilen: Nope. |
| 09:44.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell nonconvergent -about enter |
| 09:44.04 | eb0t | but i am on tty 7 |
| 09:44.04 | babilen | err |
| 09:44.17 | eb0t | how do i get back to tty1 ..or does it not matter |
| 09:44.46 | babilen | eb0t: Please try not to hit enter every five words, but try to use punctuation characters and write complete sentences. It makes it much easier to follow you and provide aedequate help. |
| 09:45.17 | babilen | eb0t: ctrl-alt-f1 brings you back to tty1 (or ctrl-alt-f2 to tty2, ...) -- So this worked and you are back in your session now? |
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| 09:45.27 | nonconvergent | You know how I know? I have a backup of that previous build's /etc/ |
| 09:45.28 | eb0t | oh sorry , does it cause your screen to go funny. on mine they are just 3 period signs |
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| 09:46.23 | eb0t | hey babilen. when i do ctrl alt f1 i end up back at tty1 which is now the bash shell |
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| 09:46.41 | eb0t | how do i get back to tty0 |
| 09:46.45 | eb0t | which is where i started |
| 09:46.57 | babilen | eb0t: Yes, sure. Does that surprise you? There is no tty0 and *please* don't hit enter all the time :-D |
| 09:47.26 | babilen | eb0t: tty7 is the graphical system (or maybe tty8, tty9, ...) to which you want to go back. |
| 09:48.00 | eb0t | oh i appologise, oh right. so i am safe to leave tty1 with the login prompt ? |
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| 09:48.25 | babilen | eb0t: You can logout of that if you want to and I would, in fact, recommend to do just that. |
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| 09:48.48 | eb0t | i did exit . but i am still at the login prompt |
| 09:49.06 | babilen | Is a user logged in? |
| 09:49.24 | eb0t | no |
| 09:49.38 | martin-_- | hi I'm missing the xen-qemu-dm in debian sid |
| 09:49.40 | martin-_- | where is it? |
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| 09:50.17 | babilen | eb0t: Those "login prompts" are always there and you have a number of ttys to which you can login. It is just that most (desktop) users only use the graphical system which is typically located on tty7, but that doesn't meant that tty1-6 aren't there. |
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| 09:50.24 | eb0t | i see. sorry babilen for the handholding.. i just looked through tty 1 to 7 and there are several login prompts . so therefore it seems tty7 is my standard session |
| 09:50.39 | babilen | eb0t: Whatever *you* consider standard, but yeah :) |
| 09:50.43 | eb0t | thank you babilen and tootpick, i have learned a lot today |
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| 09:51.57 | babilen | eb0t: If you want to learn more than you ever wanted about ttys and how they came about you can read http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/ which is a wonderful article on the history behind ttys |
| 09:52.02 | eb0t | i was going to just switch the box off. i am glad i asked, this may be a common occurance on my pc. so its good to know how to sort it out |
| 09:52.20 | eb0t | i will most definitely read it . thanks for the document. |
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| 09:53.36 | babilen | eb0t: It would be good to know *why* that happened though. It might be linked to specific screensavers and, in particular, those that use OpenGL. You might want to try simply blanking the screen and I would also recommend to take a look at ~/.xsession-errors and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. |
| 09:54.04 | babilen | eb0t: Another wonderful book on Debian and how to use it is http://debian-handbook.info/ which you can read online for free |
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| 09:55.55 | eb0t | hey thanks so much for all the information. i failed ot find anything suitable on google. so i came here. great stuff |
| 09:56.07 | babilen | nonconvergent: So, I take it that you created your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-nvidia.conf with the recommended content and tried it. How did it go? |
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| 09:56.20 | babilen | eb0t: Glad that we could help. Have a nice day! :) |
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| 09:56.50 | nonconvergent | If I did, it wasn't willfully. |
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| 09:57.30 | babilen | eb0t: Btw, if killing the screensaver hadn't had worked we would have restarted the X server with the "service gdm3 restart" command tootpick suggested. |
| 09:57.41 | babilen | nonconvergent: How come? Aren't you interested in fixing this anymore? |
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| 09:58.52 | nonconvergent | Fixing it a different way. Gnome3 was obnoxious to begin with. |
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| 09:59.12 | nonconvergent | And nothing of value was lost. |
| 09:59.20 | eb0t | oh great . i was typing $ gdm3. noi wonder it didnt work |
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| 10:02.04 | nonconvergent | Can anyone tell me what my options are as far as virtualization and remote access go? I've got an intel laptop with no VT-x and a beefier server at home that I can do hardware virtualization on, but when I've done it I've always used vbox and never setup any remote access. What remote access I do have to my server is the ssh server I run on it, but I can always set up something new. |
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| 10:05.39 | cheri | hi I am trying to install drivers for a video card dspc 8661 when I try to install the driver module I get the err msg in the dmesg log file ti816x_pcie: disagrees about version of symbol video_ioctl2 |
| 10:05.48 | cheri | can you guys help me in fixing this |
| 10:07.15 | babilen | nonconvergent: You will *not be using the nvidia driver* if you don't create that configuration file. Are you intentionally trying to ignore my (our?) advice? There is no other way than creating a configuration file. None. |
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| 10:09.18 | jelly-home | babilen: give it up. </kafka> |
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| 10:11.39 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: what OS does the beefy server run? |
| 10:12.07 | nonconvergent | This one. |
| 10:12.18 | mumpitze1 | *sigh* |
| 10:12.38 | nonconvergent | I call it a server, but it's just a desktop. |
| 10:13.13 | nonconvergent | Lovingly bespoke ordered peice by peice from the internet. |
| 10:13.26 | nonconvergent | ...piece by piece |
| 10:13.35 | babilen | nonconvergent: Mind answering the question? |
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| 10:15.09 | WormFood | is ntpd broken out of the box on wheezy, or did I overlook something?....I can't get it to connect to any time server. |
| 10:17.11 | bhuddah | WormFood: can you give some more details on what you tried, please? |
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| 10:18.29 | WormFood | I set it up like normal, enabling the servers in the config file, but ntpq -p reports it can't connect to any of the servers....so I find a good server, and change the server in the ntpd config, restart it, and check it again with ntpq -p, and still, can't contact it. |
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| 10:19.11 | bhuddah | and you can connect to the server using ntpdate just fine? |
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| 10:21.09 | wsk233 | Hello when i run this command cat /proc/diskstats | grep $1 | head -1 | awk ‘{print $$10}’ i get an error does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 10:22.12 | well_laid_lawn | you could probably get by just using awk there |
| 10:22.26 | jelly-home | well_laid_lawn: use just one $ |
| 10:22.37 | jelly-home | wsk233: use just one $ |
| 10:23.01 | jelly-home | and those quotes look really weird |
| 10:23.03 | nonconvergent | babilen: what? |
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| 10:23.19 | WormFood | if I remember correctly, $$10 is a valid in awk, but most likely not what you want...as everyone else said, use a single $ |
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| 10:23.26 | jelly-home | wsk233: cat /proc/diskstats | grep "$1" | head -1 | awk '{print $10}' |
| 10:23.27 | babilen | nonconvergent: I encouraged you to answer mumpitze1's question. |
| 10:23.46 | babilen | useless use of cat! |
| 10:23.50 | jelly-home | wsk233: be very careful pasting from wordpress, it mangles quotes |
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| 10:24.19 | fetoega | where is google earth libs installed in Debian? |
| 10:24.41 | jelly-home | fetoega: google earth does not come with debian...? |
| 10:24.41 | nonconvergent | I said this one. |
| 10:24.42 | WormFood | wsk233, yes, connects with ntpdate just fine |
| 10:24.53 | WormFood | oops, I mean that was for bhuddah |
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| 10:25.14 | fetoega | jelly-home, no it is an medibuntu package or you can use a ppa. |
| 10:25.24 | fetoega | debian-multimedia |
| 10:25.37 | fetoega | or binary from google.com |
| 10:26.03 | bhuddah | WormFood: how strange. i'm sorry, but i have no idea. maybe you can try to switch on debug logging for the ntpd? |
| 10:26.06 | babilen | nonconvergent: Neither I nor mumpitze1 are aware of an operating system called "this one"; but anyway. I'm out and wish you all the best in the future. |
| 10:26.08 | fetoega | i am using the debian-multimedia package. |
| 10:26.20 | nonconvergent | fetoega: debian-multimedia, binaries from google, and pps are not supported by debian. You're on your own. |
| 10:26.20 | jelly-home | fetoega: well... neither medibuntu nor ppa sound like they're meant for debian. If you installed a package some way, use "dpkg -L packagename" to list its contents |
| 10:26.44 | fetoega | jelly, thanks |
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| 10:27.01 | jelly-home | at least deb-multimedia is supposed to work with debian... it just fails all too often |
| 10:27.20 | wsk233 | jelly-home : do you realy know every? i already come in #debian for a couple of years and there has been no moment that i ask a question and your not answering it :) |
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| 10:27.54 | WormFood | wsk233, that's been my experience too |
| 10:28.06 | fetoega | jelly-home, thanks again. the libs were located in /opt/google/earth/free/ |
| 10:28.13 | nonconvergent | There's pedantry and then there's pedantry. |
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| 10:28.55 | Monotoko2 | on any Debian 7 box I install, vi has a strange problem, I can't backspace and pressing my arrow keys just gives me A B C D |
| 10:29.23 | WormFood | Monotoko2, install vim |
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| 10:30.01 | jelly-home | wsk233: I don't! |
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| 10:30.42 | ChrisH | Monotoko2: this is also seen on eg. Solaris boxes. depends on the TERM detection between all systems affected. w/a: use original VI cursor movment keys |
| 10:30.46 | xrchz | has anoyone experienced broken session-restore with iceweasel 23.0.1 from sid? |
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| 10:31.21 | Monotoko2 | ChrisH, so it's detecting the wrong TERM... how do I fix it? |
| 10:31.56 | wsk233 | jelly-home one thing i wanne say you you have saved my life multiple times so realy thanks for all the help you provide me and to all the people here ofcrouse |
| 10:32.04 | ZetaNeta | Hi, Can i put Debian 3.1 on m68k? |
| 10:32.21 | ZetaNeta | And most important, how |
| 10:32.28 | xrchz | or can anyone confirm that session restore works on iceweasel 23.0.1? |
| 10:32.34 | ChrisH | Monotoko2: I see this for more then 10 years and accepted it :)... simply press ESC several times and go back into edit mode and most times it works again. |
| 10:33.29 | Monotoko2 | ChrisH, bloomin' buggy software ;) |
| 10:34.13 | ChrisH | Monotoko2: pure vi is not expected to detect cursor keys correct. So as suggested install and use vim instead |
| 10:35.50 | Monotoko2 | ChrisH, I can't explain it but I really like pure vi, just don't get the same feeling from vim for some reason (I know it's silly, it's just a text editor...) - but I may just have to switch |
| 10:36.27 | ChrisH | Monotoko2: If you want real[tm] vi get yourself a HPUX installation! |
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| 10:41.49 | FooBarWidget | is this the right place to ask about debian packaging? |
| 10:42.24 | Frank` | no |
| 10:42.27 | Frank` | thats #slackware |
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| 10:42.41 | Frank` | ##slackware |
| 10:42.53 | FooBarWidget | yeah but I mean, is there a separate channel specifically about debian packaging topics? |
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| 10:43.47 | Frank` | ask here |
| 10:44.04 | FooBarWidget | I'm trying to build debian packages for multiple distributions. I use pbuilder-dist <distro> <arch> build |
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| 10:44.15 | FooBarWidget | however pbuilder-dist build recreates my orig tarball for every distribution |
| 10:44.24 | FooBarWidget | and my APT repository can only have a single orig tarball |
| 10:44.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell FooBarWidget -about mentors |
| 10:44.36 | babilen | Frank`: Please play elsewhere, thank you. |
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| 10:58.26 | caraconan | Hi there. There's any software requirement to get alias ls -la working? |
| 10:59.06 | xrchz | caraconan: what doesn't work about it? |
| 10:59.13 | caraconan | I updated .bashrc with alias ls='ls --color=auto' , sourced the file, exit and login again but no luck |
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| 10:59.38 | xrchz | are you using bash? |
| 10:59.42 | caraconan | It does not highlight dirs and files when I do a "ls -la" |
| 10:59.53 | caraconan | I think so, any quick way to know it? |
| 11:00.07 | xrchz | type bash into your terminal then see if ls works in there |
| 11:00.57 | caraconan | I think so, nothing happened |
| 11:00.59 | caraconan | No output |
| 11:01.13 | caraconan | mmm, no |
| 11:01.20 | caraconan | I think my shell is sh |
| 11:01.26 | xrchz | is it different from the output you get when you don't type bash first? if so then your default shell is not bash |
| 11:01.32 | caraconan | If I type "sh" I go to a interactive console |
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| 11:01.38 | xrchz | sh is often an alias for bash, though |
| 11:01.46 | xrchz | anyway, you should also try: ls --color=auto -la |
| 11:01.50 | xrchz | manually, and see if it does what you want |
| 11:01.54 | caraconan | 1 sec |
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| 11:02.03 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 11:02.11 | xrchz | it's possible you actually wanted ls --color=always |
| 11:02.14 | caraconan | ls is working, but without highligts |
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| 11:02.28 | cousin_luigi | What's the cleanest way to have ulogd2 on wheezy? |
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| 11:06.45 | Myrtti | is there some sane way of installing libssl0.9.8 on wheezy? |
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| 11:08.38 | ChrisH | Myrtti: apt-get install libssl0.9.8 |
| 11:08.56 | caraconan | Aybody can help me with a simple "ls -la --color"? I can't get it working. I suspect that I need some piece of software installed, but I can be wrong.... |
| 11:09.25 | ChrisH | Myrtti: check the output of apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 |
| 11:09.51 | xrchz | caraconan: does ls -la --color do what you want? or is it only the alias that doesn't work? |
| 11:10.47 | caraconan | xrchz: it does the ls, but without highlights |
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| 11:15.44 | caraconan | The thing is that it's working on my laptop, but not in my minimal VM |
| 11:16.01 | caraconan | I'm trying to compare and share configs, but no luck at the moment... |
| 11:16.09 | ChrisH | caraconan: what TERM are you using? |
| 11:16.43 | caraconan | Laptop -> sakura VM -> accessing through ssh |
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| 11:17.10 | ChrisH | caraconan: what TERM are you using? echo $TERM |
| 11:17.12 | caraconan | But if I ssh to another machine, ls -la works as expected |
| 11:17.35 | caraconan | (laptop) echo $TERM -> sakura |
| 11:17.44 | caraconan | Same in the VM |
| 11:17.57 | ChrisH | caraconan: export TERM=xterm ; ls -la --color |
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| 11:18.41 | caraconan | 1 sec |
| 11:19.20 | caraconan | ChrisH: ls works, but no highlights |
| 11:19.26 | ChrisH | sakura does not sound like a valid termcap entry to me. |
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| 11:20.09 | ChrisH | caraconan: what does lsb_release -a show? |
| 11:20.51 | caraconan | Interesting output: -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 11:21.18 | ChrisH | caraconan: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:21.42 | caraconan | jessie/sid |
| 11:22.31 | ChrisH | caraconan: export TERM=xterm ; \ls -la --color |
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| 11:22.57 | caraconan | A change: . and .. are blue |
| 11:23.07 | caraconan | The other elements same color (dirs and files) |
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| 11:26.09 | caraconan | I tried different recipes, but I always need to source ~/.bashrc to get the . and .. colored |
| 11:26.48 | ChrisH | caraconan: I did a strace on ls --color and I cannot see anything that affects the color what is not part of coreultils package |
| 11:27.23 | caraconan | Good to know, no idea why I can't get this simple thing working.... |
| 11:28.14 | caraconan | I don't think is relevant, but it happens the same with another KVM + VM's environment with Ubuntu Server |
| 11:28.32 | caraconan | But my Amazon instance (Ubuntu server) is working as expected |
| 11:28.53 | caraconan | So there should be something locally in each VM/Operating System |
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| 11:30.51 | caraconan | Which config defines what is colored and how? |
| 11:31.31 | johndo | caraconan: did you play around with dircolors? that changes settings |
| 11:31.52 | johndo | *may change |
| 11:32.00 | caraconan | I never touched it |
| 11:32.27 | caraconan | Anyway many thanks everybody for your time, I will continue investigating and comparing configs |
| 11:32.42 | ChrisH | caraconan: I do not know, but I checked with a Ubuntu VM (running on VMWare Cluster) and there ls -al --color does not work, for my local Debian stable all fine. |
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| 11:33.43 | caraconan | For me it's really strange that this feature is not working "by default". In all cases the VM's are servers with minimal software |
| 11:33.59 | caraconan | And absolutely 0 customization on the "look and feel" parts |
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| 11:34.15 | caraconan | And it happens to me on Ubuntu servers and Debian testing VM's... |
| 11:34.24 | Psy-Q | is it possible that USB audio out is broken in testing right now? i can't get any sound since my last update yesterday |
| 11:34.25 | caraconan | Well except for the Amazon instance. This is working fine |
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| 11:34.45 | cousin_luigi | what's a good source of backports for wheezy? |
| 11:35.54 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell cousin_luigi about bdo |
| 11:37.59 | Psy-Q | or in other words, how can i diagnose why i don't have audio? pulseaudio is running, the mixer has the channel unmuted, the device shows up also in VLC's list of e.g. alsa devices, the KDE VLC backend is set to use that device, yet no sound |
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| 11:38.48 | kanliot | is it muted? |
| 11:39.01 | Psy-Q | no, it's unmuted |
| 11:39.19 | Psy-Q | but now get this: i must've rolled my office chair over my headphone cable |
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| 11:39.28 | Psy-Q | in time to apt-get upgrade... |
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| 11:40.01 | kanliot | well i still think it's pulseaudio's fault |
| 11:40.06 | Psy-Q | so it seems my headphone cable broke at the same time as i did an apt-get upgrade :) |
| 11:40.07 | kanliot | you shouldnt use it |
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| 11:40.21 | Psy-Q | it seems to work now with different headphones :) how can i not use pulseaudio? |
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| 11:40.45 | Psy-Q | are there alternatives so i can share a non multi-client capable audio card between applications? |
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| 11:45.22 | AllahFartface | So how about them apple devices eh? RQTYX |
| 11:45.23 | AllahFartface | سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ |
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| 11:50.49 | cousin_luigi | jelly-home: where can I find a list of the available packages for wheezy-backports? |
| 11:51.02 | abrotman | cousin_luigi: in the Packages.gz |
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| 11:52.47 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: but I can only find backports for oldstable on that repository |
| 11:53.09 | abrotman | on ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 11:54.32 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: oh, I was using ftp.de.debian.org |
| 11:54.34 | cousin_luigi | my bad |
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| 11:55.03 | woshty | Can I say defaults,acl in fstab? |
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| 11:55.52 | abrotman | cousin_luigi: shouldn't matter |
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| 11:56.19 | abrotman | cousin_luigi: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 11:56.25 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: ok |
| 11:56.34 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: not there anyway nor in main nor contrib:/ |
| 11:56.49 | abrotman | i just pointed you at it .. |
| 11:56.51 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: would using a jessie package be risky? |
| 11:56.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:56.58 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: I mean the package I was looking for |
| 11:57.08 | abrotman | cousin_luigi: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:57.35 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:11.07 | cousin_luigi | thanks everyone |
| 12:11.08 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 12:27.02 | martin-_- | is it easy to move from sid to stable? |
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| 12:27.52 | ZetaNeta | martin-_-, Does you sid works stable? |
| 12:28.06 | ZetaNeta | If it is, all you need to do is to stop updating packages |
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| 12:28.24 | ZetaNeta | Or better, make a local mirror of the repo, in case youl need new packages |
| 12:29.15 | martin-_- | ZetaNeta, I ned xen-qemu-dm |
| 12:29.21 | martin-_- | but there is no package in sid |
| 12:29.27 | ZetaNeta | oh |
| 12:29.32 | martin-_- | thats why i want to move to stable |
| 12:29.34 | ZetaNeta | Download one from stable? |
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| 12:29.59 | martin-_- | i think this will break my packet manager |
| 12:30.05 | ZetaNeta | If its not something hardcore with tons of deps, you should be able to resolve it |
| 12:31.37 | martin-_- | install it wit dpkg? |
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| 12:31.46 | ZetaNeta | You can |
| 12:32.02 | ZetaNeta | You can even just downgrade you repos to stable for a while |
| 12:32.15 | ZetaNeta | And it will solve lots of things. |
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| 12:32.31 | ZetaNeta | through, dpkg is sometimes better |
| 12:32.53 | martin-_- | waaa doesn't work :( |
| 12:32.59 | martin-_- | lots of dep errors |
| 12:33.19 | martin-_- | so you suggest downgrad to stable install it and after that upgrade to unstable again? |
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| 12:33.46 | ZetaNeta | So you downloaded one from stable |
| 12:33.50 | martin-_- | yes |
| 12:33.56 | ZetaNeta | Well, isnt there one in testing? |
| 12:34.01 | ZetaNeta | Check it |
| 12:34.10 | martin-_- | no there isn't |
| 12:34.20 | ZetaNeta | Becouse testing and sid should conflict less than stable and sid |
| 12:34.24 | martin-_- | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688311 |
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| 12:35.27 | ZetaNeta | Download one from stable, try dpkg -i with it |
| 12:35.29 | martin-_- | this hole xen stuff is useless without this pacakge .... |
| 12:35.30 | ZetaNeta | and post what you get |
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| 12:36.37 | martin-_- | ZetaNeta, the last package is from squeeze |
| 12:36.43 | ZetaNeta | ok |
| 12:36.48 | ZetaNeta | try dpkg on it |
| 12:36.52 | ZetaNeta | and post to pastebin |
| 12:36.56 | ZetaNeta | what ever you got there |
| 12:37.12 | martin-_- | http://paste.debian.net/34306/ |
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| 12:37.13 | ZetaNeta | btw, squeeze is no longer stable |
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| 12:40.18 | martin-_- | I also tried to compile it by my self |
| 12:40.27 | martin-_- | but I got compiling errors... |
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| 12:41.30 | ZetaNeta | looks at martin-_- like a true gentoo user |
| 12:41.48 | ZetaNeta | well, you need it "really" or just to satisfy the deps? |
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| 12:42.24 | martin-_- | http://paste.debian.net/34306/ I got dependence conflicts |
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| 12:43.27 | ChrisH | martin-_-: apt-get -f install should fix them |
| 12:43.56 | martin-_- | then the qemu-dm package will be removed |
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| 12:44.47 | ChrisH | martin-_-: ups... not expected. can you add the output from apt-get -s -f install to your paste? |
| 12:44.55 | ZetaNeta | sry, need to brb |
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| 12:45.43 | martin-_- | http://paste.debian.net/34307/ ChrisH |
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| 12:49.00 | ChrisH | martin-_-: I did not check all so far. Are the missing dependencies found from aptitude search ? |
| 12:50.06 | martin-_- | not for example hypvisior isn't in sid |
| 12:50.11 | martin-_- | also etherboot |
| 12:50.14 | martin-_- | and so on |
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| 12:53.54 | ChrisH | martin-_-: sid? Your are installing old-stable stuff!?!? |
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| 12:55.02 | martin-_- | ChrisH, ZetaNeta suggested so |
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| 12:55.25 | martin-_- | ChrisH, there is no package in sid... and without this package xen is useless |
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| 12:55.46 | ChrisH | ,v xen-hypervisor-4.1-amd64 |
| 12:55.47 | judd | Package: xen-hypervisor-4.1-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.1.4-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1.4-4 |
| 12:55.51 | ChrisH | ,v xen-hypervisor-4.2-amd64 |
| 12:55.52 | judd | Package: xen-hypervisor-4.2-amd64 on i386 -- sid: 4.2.2-1 |
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| 12:56.23 | ksk | hey guys -id like to edit /etc/default/nginx in a package - can i do that ( as its originally provided by another package ) - whats the way to do that? |
| 12:56.45 | martin-_- | ChrisH, but i need xen-qemu-dm |
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| 12:57.49 | martin-_- | <martin-_-> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688311 ChrisH |
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| 12:58.12 | martin-_- | so i think i can try to compile it or give the hole thing up |
| 12:58.30 | johndo | martin-_-: it isn't a very good idea to run a virtualization server on unstable anyway, you should use stable for that |
| 12:58.35 | somiaj | martin-_-: that is the nature of sid. As things evolve, packages, names and dependencies will change in sid, so don't be surprised things find themselves in an unworking state. (: |
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| 12:59.35 | ChrisH | martin-_-: I just understood the xen-qemu stuff... My last point here is https://wiki.debian.org/Xen But you most probably know that and will not find additional information there. |
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| 13:00.16 | martin-_- | is it save to downgrade from sid to stable somiaj ? |
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| 13:00.27 | themill | martin-_-: it's not possible |
| 13:00.28 | woshty | Why is there no --firstgid with adduser? |
| 13:00.42 | somiaj | martin-_-: no automatic way, best to reinstall. You could try but will only find yourself in a mess. |
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| 13:01.21 | martin-_- | :'( |
| 13:01.29 | johndo | martin-_-: reinstallation will be faster in any case, and you have a clean system |
| 13:02.18 | martin-_- | an other option would be to wait until the needed package is avaible in sid |
| 13:02.49 | themill | martin-_-: that package isn't coming back -- read the bug log |
| 13:03.26 | nObody52 | d |
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| 13:03.33 | martin-_- | ye, i mean until they fix this thing |
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| 13:04.35 | martin-_- | if I understood correctly they moved qemu out of the xen project and are reffering now to qemu ? themill |
| 13:04.36 | somiaj | martin-_-: if you can afford to wait and deal with any other breakage during the process. Again that is the nature of sid (: |
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| 13:05.59 | somiaj | martin-_-: you may want to consider the original bug report is about a year old (: |
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| 13:07.32 | woshty | What I am trying to do is give the GID the same value as the UID gets from using --firstuid X. Any ideas how to accomplish this? |
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| 13:08.15 | somiaj | woshty: for what? Have you thought about the case the GID you want to give is already being used by another group? |
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| 13:09.52 | ksk | is there something like dpkg-divert for config-files? |
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| 13:10.28 | woshty | somiaj: The idea is to be able to have users for different purposes not be set in a huge stack. This way I can filter by IDs if ever need be. If the GID is taken it is allowed to fail ofc, print an error and let me manually fix it. |
| 13:10.29 | themill | ksk: you don't need that |
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| 13:11.46 | mllie | Hello |
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| 13:13.31 | mllie | My friends server have been attacked and the attacker have injected code in files. What is the best way to find how the attacker did do it? |
| 13:13.31 | ksk | themill: cuz? if I edit a file with my own package dpkg will most likely tell me to gtfo because its originall from another packe - or it would brake it the original source-packages does an upgrade. or ... |
| 13:14.10 | themill | ksk: is there a reason you want to do this from a second package? |
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| 13:15.06 | ksk | themill: probably ;) i need to edit it, and it would seem easier this way as to provide an (in my case) nginx-common package that does what i need |
| 13:15.32 | somiaj | ksk: config file work differently. |
| 13:15.32 | somiaj | mllie: you can parse the logs to see if you can figure out how they got in. As for recovery a full reinstall is the best way to ensure there is nothing hiding. |
| 13:15.37 | themill | ksk: are you doing this on hundreds of machines? I'm trying to understand your use case here |
| 13:15.41 | ksk | as if there is an update for that nginx-common package i would neet to keep track of it. |
| 13:15.50 | ksk | hundreds and more, yes. |
| 13:16.26 | themill | ksk: so you've presumably already got a configuration management system like puppet or chef involved -- installing the config files using that rather than the debian packages would be easier |
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| 13:16.53 | somiaj | woshty: have you looked into useradd and groupadd -- these are very low level tools, but you might be able to get them to do what you want easier. |
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| 13:16.58 | mllie | somiaj: true. Haven't find anything yet. The most weird thing is actually that a site with just a html-page have been code injected as well. Even though every site is running with suexec.. Any idea what could cause that? |
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| 13:17.24 | somiaj | mllie: are they using any major contant system like wordpress? |
| 13:17.46 | mllie | somiaj: that site is just a html-site |
| 13:18.11 | somiaj | mllie: others more experienced than me may be able to help better. |
| 13:18.15 | mllie | And no, they are not. Just a PHP framework that is commonly used |
| 13:18.17 | somiaj | mllie: what version of debian was this server running? |
| 13:18.37 | mllie | Oh, this was actually ubuntu. 12.04 |
| 13:18.41 | woshty | somiaj: That would involve some scripting to get the current largest uids/gids a certain range. I can set everything I want in /etc/adduser.conf. But I do not want to edit that file from added user to added user. Is there a way to pass config values in that file directly to adduser? |
| 13:18.42 | somiaj | mllie: maybe the php framework has a fairly obvious exploit on it |
| 13:18.54 | mllie | somiaj: yeah |
| 13:19.12 | somiaj | mllie: well this is #debian, might want to ask in #ubuntu about their security. I was just making sure you were running a good debian and kept your security patches up to date. |
| 13:19.16 | themill | mllie: you'd want to ask #ubuntu about their packages, then. |
| 13:20.28 | somiaj | woshty: there is a --conf FILE options and you can point it to a custom config file, and have one set up for each range |
| 13:20.32 | mllie | the thing that worries me is how they could write inside another sites/users www-direcotry |
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| 13:21.07 | somiaj | mllie: go ask in #ubuntu, we do not support them nor have an understanding of things they do. |
| 13:21.09 | woshty | somiaj: Yeah, I just found that in the man page. Thank you. Not ideal, but better than nothing :) |
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| 13:52.06 | fronix | Hi, I have a virtual debian server where I have 20GB of space for the system and four 2TB HDDs for backups. I've put these 2TB HDDs in sofware RAID0 now I want to encrypt both the system and the 8TB storage fully. I have tried following this guide: http://goo.gl/KQmgoS and just doing the same for the storage without the swap, root part. Now after I'm done there should be some kind of encryption |
| 13:52.06 | fronix | part where it actually encrypts the drives, I never get to this part and I have no idea why.. I'd appreciate any help I can get |
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| 14:00.28 | ChrisH | fronix: 1. how do you want to de-crypt the OS disk? 2. I did never encrpyt any disk AFTER the installation, allways during the installation using the debian installer |
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| 14:04.42 | fronix | ChrisH: hmm, don't understand the first one what do you mean? Yes I'm currently In the Partition Disks part of the installation but after I press "Finish partitioning and write..." It just continues and the installation completes and nothing else. |
| 14:04.52 | ChrisH | fronix: figure 16 you need to choose something with encryption the first time and afterwards PV for LVM from the encrypted md-device. 20 GB -> partition 200MB /boot + rest; Rest -> encrypt -> PV for LVM -> lvols for / swap /home and so on |
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| 14:05.08 | fronix | I could maybe add that my friend helped me last time and it took about 2 days to encrypt the storage disks so I'm doing something wrong ^^ |
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| 14:05.35 | ChrisH | fronix: you selected manuall partition and expert non-graphical installation at the very beginning? |
| 14:05.46 | fronix | Yes ofcourse |
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| 14:09.23 | ChrisH | fronix: compare figure 28 This how-to seems to have the figures mixed up and second does encrption ontop of LVM. This means a passphrase for each lvol and not one passphrase for the VG. |
| 14:09.41 | elfranne | fronix, encrypting 8TB in two days is not necessarily and error, i once used trucrypt for full disk encryption on a laptop, it took like 4-5 hours for 320GB |
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| 14:10.15 | fronix | elfranne, Last encryption was 1.8TB |
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| 14:12.56 | fronix | ChrisH: Hmm okay, I thought it looked wierd. However I found this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=104605#p500247 and tried that one too and I still ended up not encrypting anything |
| 14:13.56 | fronix | What I do is I first create the /boot then set both the system and storage to LVM use |
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| 14:14.56 | ChrisH | fronix: no |
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| 14:15.50 | ChrisH | fronix: setup /boot then encryption onto the remaining partition (of the 20GB); then LVM (vgcreate) then lvols and filesystem for OS |
| 14:16.10 | ChrisH | fronix: final encrptyion of your "big disk" Raid0 |
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| 14:17.08 | fronix | ChrisH: ohh okay, I do the same for the storage disk just skip the /boot part? |
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| 14:18.00 | ChrisH | fronix: I recommend to put the Raid0 into another VG and keep the filesystem small at the beginning. expanding is easy if there is still unused space in the VG. |
| 14:18.23 | ChrisH | fronix: yep. that is the most resonable way from my POV. |
| 14:18.48 | fronix | ChrisH: Alright I'll do that and come back :P |
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| 14:19.56 | ChrisH | fronix: did you already try to write random data onto the disks? If yes you can skip the long running overwrite step. If not its needed for to increase security. |
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| 14:20.43 | fronix | ChrisH: No I have not written any data onto the disks I'm guessing that's the part that takes long |
| 14:21.21 | fronix | ChrisH: http://i.imgur.com/Nr8BYfp.png This is how it looks like now |
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| 14:30.04 | ChrisH | fronix: that looks OK to me. |
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| 14:30.33 | ChrisH | fronix: next step would be 'configure Logical Volume Manager' |
| 14:30.38 | fronix | ChrisH: I continued like this: http://i.imgur.com/biSH8JS.png |
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| 14:32.24 | ChrisH | fronix: you did use all space in the VGs and did not keep some spare as I recommended. I personally name the LVs as lvolRoot or lvRoot. I learned LVM on HP/UX :) |
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| 14:34.07 | fronix | ChrisH: Oh yeah forgot that, should I have any spare on the system or storage, or both? |
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| 14:36.03 | ChrisH | fronix: I keep spare everywhere. increase is simple: eg lvextend -L+5g /dev/vg2/largestuff ; resize2fs /dev/vg2/largestuff :) Normally you do not know where you need disk space in 2 month from now |
| 14:36.23 | fronix | However this server is on a virtual server so those 20GB are for the system and nothing else |
| 14:36.43 | fronix | And the 8TB is for storage and all of it has to be encrypted |
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| 14:37.10 | jhutchins | fronix: That is going to take days. |
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| 14:37.38 | fronix | jhutchins: Sacrifices has to be made |
| 14:37.47 | ChrisH | fronix: the PV is encrypted, does not matter on keeping spare |
| 14:37.54 | jhutchins | fronix: Just so you're prepared for that. |
| 14:38.12 | fronix | jhutchins: The longer it takes the more secure i feel ^^ |
| 14:38.31 | fronix | ChrisH: Alright I'll just leave it as it is then |
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| 14:42.27 | fronix | ChrisH: So now I'm at the part where I get confused: http://i.imgur.com/U5sDncp.png After i setup the encrypted VGs and lvol's and then proceeded to setup the root, swap and storage. Where do I go on from now? |
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| 14:45.35 | ChrisH | fronix: ain there a continue or write to disk? |
| 14:46.20 | ChrisH | Finish Partitioning and write changes to disk at the bottom |
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| 14:47.01 | fronix | ChrisH: Okay so it should continue to encrypt the disks now? |
| 14:47.10 | ChrisH | Figure 29 from your PDF and the sentence on the next page.... |
| 14:47.13 | ChrisH | fronix: yes |
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| 14:47.50 | fronix | ChrisH: http://i.imgur.com/OZ7nNvL.png see anything off? :P |
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| 14:48.28 | ChrisH | fronix: looks as before and OK |
| 14:49.03 | fronix | Alrighty then |
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| 14:51.04 | fronix | ChrisH: Now I'm at the Configure package manager =| |
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| 14:56.29 | superman_ | to add a start up program do i add the line "@python2.7 /the file location/quicktile.py --daemonize" to the /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart file? thanks |
| 14:56.51 | fronix | ChrisH: Well now the installation is complete, where is the encryption part? >< |
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| 14:57.44 | ChrisH | fronix: you should have been asked during setting up encryption. before http://i.imgur.com/Nr8BYfp.png was shown |
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| 14:58.09 | fronix | Was never asked :/ I'm so confused right now |
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| 14:59.08 | ChrisH | fronix: check CTRL-F4 for errors |
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| 15:00.35 | fronix | hmm doesn't work, I'm installing debian 7 maybe they changed? |
| 15:00.46 | ChrisH | fronix: no. |
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| 15:03.21 | superman_ | does anyone know? |
| 15:03.28 | fronix | ChrisH: Alright got the logs now, something special i should look for? |
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| 15:03.55 | ChrisH | fronix: errors, warnings check for strange looking stuff |
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| 15:05.42 | chris____ | Hi All. I have a contact form in a PHP web application. I need to send email to one address. I don't have access to an external mail server. What is the absolute simplest way to do this locally? |
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| 15:07.33 | chris____ | test |
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| 15:08.01 | Kenran | hi |
| 15:08.02 | babilen | chris____: TEST FAILED |
| 15:08.30 | fronix | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/pvHud0YU thats the part with the disks i can find |
| 15:08.31 | mumpitze1 | chris____: I suggest #php |
| 15:08.33 | Kenran | I'm interested in using Debian and I'm trying to decide what and how to install it :) |
| 15:08.41 | chris____ | mumpitze1: they suggested here :-( |
| 15:08.44 | mumpitze1 | !tell Kenran about ig |
| 15:08.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kenran -about install debian |
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| 15:09.05 | superman_ | Kenran, get Linux Mint Debian LMDE |
| 15:09.32 | babilen | Kenran: Do you have a working internet connection? How do you connect to the internet? Do you know which desktop environment you want to use already (if any)? (gnome, kde, xfce, lxde) |
| 15:09.37 | babilen | superman_: don't |
| 15:09.41 | themill | superman_: this is #debian |
| 15:10.28 | superman_ | Kenran are you a Linux beginner or an expert? |
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| 15:10.51 | Kenran | babilen, yes, I have a working internet connection; I want to install Debian using a USB stick; I thought Debian automatically comes with Gnome, but if there's another possibility, I'd maybe aim for XFCE instead |
| 15:11.03 | Kenran | the thing I wonder right now: should I go for testing or stable? |
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| 15:11.20 | themill | Kenran: stable. |
| 15:11.27 | Kenran | I'm neither a Linux beginner nor an expert. I didn't use Linux for a long time but used Gentoo before until it became way too tedious^^ |
| 15:11.54 | babilen | Kenran: Sure, that is no problem. You have to install stable first even if you decide to use testing later and I would recommend to familiarise yourself with Debian first. Run stable and come here if there is something you need help with to begin with. |
| 15:12.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kenran -about firmware image |
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| 15:12.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kenran -about usb install |
| 15:12.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kenran -about install xfce |
| 15:12.30 | Kenran | babilen, wow, that bot has a lot of knowledge :D |
| 15:12.52 | babilen | Kenran: The bot sent you a number of links that should contain information and pointers to guide you through the installation. Let us know if there is anything else you need help with. |
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| 15:13.28 | babilen | superman_: What does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy lxde" give you? |
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| 15:14.28 | babilen | (paste it to http://paste.debian.net please) |
| 15:14.29 | ChrisH | fronix: go to a shell like CTRL-F3 and run blkid please |
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| 15:15.44 | fronix | ChrisH: I removed the VM and redid it. My friend is going to help me now before I kill myself, thanks for all the help! I'll come back and tell you what I missed >< |
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| 15:15.48 | Kenran | should I install the amd64 version if I have a 64bit system, or would it be wise to go for i386 for compatibility stuff? |
| 15:16.06 | superman_ | http://paste.debian.net/34388/ |
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| 15:16.45 | superman_ | babilen, so to add a start up program do i add the line "@python2.7 /the file location/quicktile.py --daemonize" to the /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart file? thanks |
| 15:16.48 | babilen | Kenran: Debian support multiarch since wheezy which means that you can easily install amd64 and i386 packages side-by-side. See "/msg dpkg multiarch" for further details. In the light of that I would personally recommend to install amd64, but the best architecture for you depends on what you will do with that box. |
| 15:17.19 | Kenran | babilen, oh, that's very nice!! |
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| 15:18.23 | babilen | Kenran: That allows you to install, for example, skype easily: https://wiki.debian.org/skype (one common use case to exemplify this) |
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| 15:20.12 | babilen | superman_: My understanding was that adding a .desktop file to ~/.config/autostart/ is the seminal approach and supported by LXDE, but ask #lxde about other LXDE specific approaches |
| 15:20.12 | Psy-Q | isn't someone working on Ruby 2.0 packages for debian? i can't seem to find the information |
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| 15:21.55 | babilen | Psy-Q: Ask the ruby team in #debian-ruby on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 15:22.03 | Psy-Q | babilen: aha! thanks |
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| 15:22.34 | babilen | Psy-Q: But they are busy with the fallout of http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/ruby1.8-removal.html (yes, ruby is a mess) |
| 15:22.51 | ebot1 | when i start up i get a message jetty is not installed |
| 15:22.51 | ebot1 | i read jetty is a java servlet engine and webserver. why is my machine looking for jetty . is it importaant |
| 15:24.01 | Psy-Q | babilen: yes, well, only messy options available at the moment. rvm, rbenv, older packages... |
| 15:24.14 | Kenran | another question: in Debian's installation manager, is there a partition manager built-in so that I can easily format and overwrite the existing Gentoo partition? |
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| 15:25.30 | babilen | Kenran: Yes, that is being discussed in the installation guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 15:25.33 | karlpinc | Hi, I'm stashing gobs of psudeo random numbers from /dev/urandom. I've started 4 dd if=/dev/urandom processes to utilize 4 cores. When I run vmstat I see io blocks in and I don't know why this is. I didn't tell dd to not cache the input file, but I wouldn't expect the os to cache /dev/urandom in the I/O buffers anyhow. So why do I see blocks in? (I swear I did this before, perhaps telling dd not to cache input, and didn't see any |
| 15:25.33 | karlpinc | blocks in in vmstat.) |
| 15:25.45 | Psy-Q | it seems the jessie release schedule for the ruby team answered my question |
| 15:25.49 | Psy-Q | 2.0 is probably going to be in jessie |
| 15:26.36 | babilen | Psy-Q: Great! I would still recommend to ask them; they might also be able to suggest sensible approaches to deal with it in the interim. |
| 15:26.56 | Psy-Q | babilen: ah, i have no problem sticking rvm on some of my servers. rvm is also not nice, but it seems to work so far |
| 15:27.24 | jelly-home | karlpinc: pastebin at least 10 lines of "vmstat 1" |
| 15:27.27 | Psy-Q | was just wondering if we should remove it and go with debian-based ruby 1.9.3 now, but i guess since we might need 2.0 before jessie rolls around, we should better stay with rvm |
| 15:27.55 | babilen | Psy-Q: Just saying that a bunch of able rubyists and Debianistas are idling in #debian-ruby and that discussing this with them might yield interesting information |
| 15:28.44 | Psy-Q | okay, i will have a chat with them as well |
| 15:28.53 | Psy-Q | was always curious why ruby is so hard to package |
| 15:28.55 | ksk | hey. how do i make a debian-package create directories? do i have to use hooks for that? like preinst/postinst |
| 15:29.01 | karlpinc | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/34400/ |
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| 15:29.59 | jelly-home | karlpinc: interesting, and that ~3MB/s or so is result of dd if=/dev/unrandom > /dev/null & ? |
| 15:30.11 | jelly-home | heh, unrandom |
| 15:30.22 | Kenran | okay, as far as I understood it (correct me please if I am wrong), I have to download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso to install Debian from my USB stick with XFCE as window manager, and simply put this file on the USB stick!? |
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| 15:31.19 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I'm dd-ing direct to a disk. 4k output blocks. to 4 parts of a disk at once. I wouldn't expect to have alignment issues requiring read/rewrite. |
| 15:31.21 | jelly-home | Kenran: pretty much, but don't put the file on the exist filesystem on the stick, overwrite the stick contents completely instead |
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| 15:32.10 | jelly-home | karlpinc: that does not answer the question really |
| 15:32.21 | Kenran | jelly-home, it's kinda embarrassing, but this is my first ever USB stick xD I'm on windows currently and the stick is freshly formatted and empty, so there shouldn't be any problems, right? |
| 15:32.25 | karlpinc | jelly-home: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 count=183141504 seek=549424512 conv=notrunc,fdatasync |
| 15:32.52 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I'm not clear on the question. I'm not doing a dd > /dev/null & |
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| 15:33.44 | jelly-home | Kenran: on windows, use http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write out the image to a stick |
| 15:33.53 | karlpinc | jelly-home: 4 of the above dd commands, with different seek values. |
| 15:34.07 | Kenran | jelly-home, thanks! |
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| 15:35.00 | jelly-home | karlpinc: and if you stop them, bi column quietens? |
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| 15:35.48 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I've been reluctant to mess with them. I'll stop them and see. |
| 15:36.14 | jelly-home | I mean, it might be some other process that reads from a block device |
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| 15:37.27 | jelly-home | Kenran: I've never used it and am not sure now safe that tool is. If you accidentally your hard disk... NO WRRANTY |
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| 15:37.39 | handuel | Hey all |
| 15:37.43 | Kenran | jelly-home, no worries^^ |
| 15:37.45 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Yah, but this has been going on for more than 12 hours, and I don't have anything else happening on the box that I can tell might do this. |
| 15:38.04 | jelly-home | karlpinc: eh, atop or iotop might know |
| 15:38.17 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I'll try that. |
| 15:39.17 | handuel | Can anyone reccomend a tool that will alert me when software upgrades are available. (Instead of just running apt-get upgrade every so often) |
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| 15:40.02 | darknyan | I managed to get into busybox during the Debian installation with alt-ctrl-f2 |
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| 15:40.12 | jordanm | handuel: what DE? |
| 15:40.12 | darknyan | How do you get out back to the installation? |
| 15:40.18 | JmZ | how do you 'downgrade' a specific package? currently on testing/jessie but need a single package from stable while keeping everything else testing |
| 15:40.23 | handuel | jordanm: none, i3wm |
| 15:40.33 | jordanm | darknyan: I think it's on tty1 |
| 15:40.59 | handuel | jordanm: I'm using gtk+ apps and gtk is the only grapical toolit I have installed though |
| 15:41.13 | handuel | So preferably something for gnome |
| 15:41.31 | jordanm | update-manager or apticron |
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| 15:42.13 | handuel | jordanm: thanks |
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| 15:43.24 | karlpinc | jelly-home: All the io is on the disk receiving the dd data. The only thing I can think of is that my seeks are not 4K block aligned. Let me check. |
| 15:43.59 | karlpinc | jelly-home: That can't be right, because obs is 4K so seeks must be 4k block aligned. |
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| 15:44.56 | jelly-home | karlpinc: well, firstly, your ibs and obs are 4K, and secondly, any RMW action is done by the disk firmware itself unless you have a fancy new disk that exposes 4K physical blocks |
| 15:45.14 | JmZ | anyone? |
| 15:45.25 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Oh yah. (But it is a 3TB new disk.) |
| 15:45.41 | jelly-home | karlpinc: you wouldn't see it with consumer hardware like that, you'd just see slower writes |
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| 15:46.08 | karlpinc | !downgrade |
| 15:46.09 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 15:49.45 | JmZ | hmm i see |
| 15:49.59 | karlpinc | jelly-home: It's the dd for sure. It seems to be just one of them though: d if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 count=183141504 seek=183141504 conv=notrunc,fdatasync |
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| 15:50.02 | JmZ | so remove my current copy and install an older one |
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| 15:50.25 | karlpinc | JmZ: Sounds right. I only know enough to call up the factoid. |
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| 15:50.43 | karlpinc | JmZ: But be sure to deal with config files yourself. |
| 15:50.56 | jelly-home | JmZ: no, just add wheezy source back, update, install foo=version and hold it |
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| 15:51.11 | JmZ | hm |
| 15:51.48 | jelly-home | of course, dealing with dependencies, updated config files and data formats is completely your problem |
| 15:51.59 | JmZ | indeed |
| 15:52.00 | karlpinc | JmZ: If you don't hold it it will get upgraded when you change back to jessie. |
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| 15:52.17 | jelly-home | there's no need to remove jessie sources |
| 15:52.35 | gnarface | gnargnargnargnar |
| 15:52.42 | gnarface | i want a debian installer for my nintendo gamecube |
| 15:52.43 | jelly-home | faaaaace |
| 15:52.44 | JmZ | jelly-home, figured as much. was going to just add the stable source and install pkg=ver |
| 15:52.50 | d[^_^]b | what's the recommended method for managing updates for debian systems remotely via ssh? i can write a web frontend to connect to the remote boxes on local SSH tunnel ports |
| 15:53.14 | darknyan | jordanm, thanks |
| 15:53.19 | darknyan | How do I reload resolv.conf? |
| 15:53.21 | d[^_^]b | but wondering which tools would work best in a question/response script via ssh |
| 15:53.34 | darknyan | from busybox |
| 15:53.40 | karlpinc | d[^_^]b: There's a ssh option in the installer that can be invoked very soon after boot. |
| 15:53.45 | mumpitze1 | d[^_^]b: ssh in and use apt-get |
| 15:53.46 | jelly-home | JmZ: automating updates from stable could be done by using pinning instead of holding, but pinning is messy |
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| 15:54.15 | JmZ | jelly-home, seems easier to just hold it until the reason i need an older copy is resolved |
| 15:54.20 | d[^_^]b | mumpitze1: i cannot manually ssh into all these hosts, i imagine something like Puppet/Debmarshall is what i'm to use but even Spacewalk could be better |
| 15:55.08 | jelly-home | JmZ: if it's a short-term hack, yeah |
| 15:55.22 | JmZ | it is |
| 15:55.44 | JmZ | jelly-home is there a way to make it just search stable instead of having to specify each package's older version? |
| 15:56.05 | JmZ | got a few packages related that need 'downgrading' so it'd be handy |
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| 15:56.59 | d[^_^]b | apt-get -t install applicationname |
| 15:57.08 | d[^_^]b | apt-get -t version install applicationname, i mean |
| 15:57.20 | jelly-home | JmZ: hmm. aptitude -t wheezy foo won't work; aptitude install foo/wheezy might |
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| 15:57.35 | JmZ | will give it a go |
| 15:57.43 | jelly-home | and so might aptitude install foo/wheezy bar/wheezy ... |
| 15:57.52 | d[^_^]b | no need to use aptitude these days |
| 15:57.56 | darknyan | Nvm on the resolv.conf, but I keep receiving the Bad Archive Mirror error in the netinstall, and I assumed it was a DNS issue. |
| 15:57.59 | jelly-home | d[^_^]b: yes need. |
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| 15:58.37 | jelly-home | but it's interchangeable with apt-get in this case |
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| 16:00.54 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Anyhow, damm if I can tell why one dd does reads and the rest do not. |
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| 16:01.37 | gnarface | d[^_^]b: bash is all you need |
| 16:02.08 | jelly-home | karlpinc: truly I have no clue |
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| 16:03.01 | jelly-home | karlpinc: do strace and lsof show it really reading from the disk? |
| 16:03.14 | karlpinc | jelly-home: iotop does |
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| 16:05.14 | karlpinc | jelly-home: The lsof for pid 4378 looks slightly different in lsof, but seems 4K aligned.... http://paste.debian.net/34420/ |
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| 16:07.38 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Or rather iotop shows it reading from _some_ disk. But iostat shows lots of reads only on sdb, the drive receiving the dd output. |
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| 16:11.25 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Hey! I bet this is it: http://paste.debian.net/34422/ I sent the dd's a USR1 signal a few times, and once I got this odd message. (I wonder if something isn't broken that I got a "short read" of urandom?) This might throw the alignment off. |
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| 16:11.48 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I was thinking more to lsof the process, note which fd goes where, then strace it and see if it really does read()s |
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| 16:12.13 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Don't I have to start over to strace it? |
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| 16:12.30 | jelly-home | strace has a -p, much like lsof |
| 16:12.52 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I'll give it a try. |
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| 16:18.27 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Shows me what I expect. A whole lot of this: http://paste.debian.net/34423/ strace -p4378 2>&1 | head -n 2000 | grep -v '^read(0,' | grep -v '^write(1,' outputs nothing |
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| 16:18.59 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 16:19.41 | karlpinc | jelly-home: This is the iotop line: 4378 be/4 root 1283.74 K/s 1283.74 K/s 0.00 % 43.83 % dd if=/de~,fdatasync |
| 16:20.01 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.12 | karlpinc | Usually it shows a lot less data in. |
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| 16:20.49 | karlpinc | Er, that'd be a bit more data in, (M not K) |
| 16:20.59 | jelly-home | dunno, I read() interrupted by USR1 might have resulted in a small write(). Still, if you hadn't specified that sync, I guess dirty buffer caching would have papered over it |
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| 16:22.04 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I thought the sync only took effect on exit? (I see bursts of output, and plenty of vmstat 1 lines with no output.) |
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| 16:22.27 | jelly-home | hm |
| 16:22.47 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I think I'm going to get on with my life and leave the universe's unanswered questions unanswered. |
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| 16:23.39 | jelly-home | is agreeable with that |
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| 16:23.56 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Thanks for the help. |
| 16:24.37 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Why wouldn't the drive expose 4K blocks? |
| 16:24.57 | karlpinc | Or is it just not done that way? |
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| 16:27.17 | jelly-home | because that would the drive incompatible with, say, windows xp |
| 16:27.23 | jelly-home | make* |
| 16:28.15 | Will_Tampa | Hi all |
| 16:28.18 | jelly-home | not sure if 7 can deal with 4KiB phys either |
| 16:29.00 | jelly-home | karlpinc: so you get devices whose firmware lies instead |
| 16:29.04 | Will_Tampa | I have a question (don't a lot of users? ;) ) I have 100 GB setaside for a dual boot... what would be a good aprtition layout? |
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| 16:29.23 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I forgot. PC hardware sucks. :) |
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| 16:29.56 | mtn | Will_Tampa: small partition for swap, rest as / |
| 16:30.09 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: If it were me, I'd set aside ... What mtn said. |
| 16:30.21 | Artemis3 | i think 3tb onwards drives need 4k blocks |
| 16:30.49 | Will_Tampa | so no sepreat partitions for var & etc? |
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| 16:31.09 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: Not unless you can think of a reason to have separate partitions. |
| 16:31.15 | mtn | Will_Tampa: unless you have a very good reason ;) |
| 16:31.42 | Will_Tampa | what if (if ...) I want to run a small ftp or other server? |
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| 16:32.36 | Will_Tampa | I have 4 gb memory ... if I remember right swap is usally 2x menory |
| 16:32.41 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: If you're afraid of the rest of the world filling your disk, then yes. Make a separate partition for /srv and put your "public" stuff there. Mostly though ftp (which sucks) is download only. |
| 16:33.25 | Will_Tampa | ftp may stink ... I was thinking servers in general |
| 16:33.26 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: You don't really want 8G swap. 1x swap is plenty when you've that much ram. Less would be ok too. Actually using that much swap would be painful. |
| 16:33.40 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: Will the world be uploading and filling your disk? |
| 16:34.18 | Will_Tampa | naaa.... |
| 16:34.33 | Will_Tampa | & why painful? |
| 16:34.49 | Artemis3 | swap is overrated, quite pointless these days |
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| 16:34.56 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: Then don't worry about it. running out of space in a partition is painful. So if you've 1 big partition, you don't have to worry about one being filled and others empty. |
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| 16:35.31 | karlpinc | Artemis3: Nah. Ram is good. Keep unused memory on disk until it's really needed. |
| 16:36.30 | Artemis3 | still, swapping around degrades performance |
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| 16:36.46 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: LVM can make managing partitions easier, but it's yet another layer of complexity. If you're not "professional" and want to say, keep your box from crashing even when your log space fills up, just don't worry about it. |
| 16:36.48 | jelly-home | Artemis3: no, not having enough ram degrades performance |
| 16:37.07 | jelly-home | swapping is just a symptom |
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| 16:37.20 | Artemis3 | which made sense back when people had 1g of ram or such... not today |
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| 16:37.35 | Will_Tampa | ya I have in install that I played learning to install broadcom on ... now root is yelling "empty me" seems that I have 300 mb on that ...sigh & that was on a 50 gb partition.... I still have that install.... I just partitioned off 100 gb for the next run at it..... yes I took the last choice in the menu on that 1st try (sepret home var & etc) |
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| 16:38.01 | karlpinc | Artemis3: Depends on the workload. Perhaps your email MTA only sends out mail once a day. No reason it should not be swapped out the rest of the day. |
| 16:38.14 | jelly-home | Will_Tampa: or use LVM and grow filesystem as you need space |
| 16:38.18 | jelly-home | filesystems* |
| 16:38.43 | socomm | karlpinc: your server doesn't have 250 gigs of RAM? |
| 16:38.44 | Artemis3 | ie: 2g ram + 4g swap, vs 8g of pure ram |
| 16:38.52 | socomm | pfft, look at this guy |
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| 16:39.33 | socomm | Artemis3: still doesn't hurt to dedicate a swap partition |
| 16:39.41 | Artemis3 | and now ppl are putting 32g of ram on their desktops--- |
| 16:39.55 | socomm | Artemis3: storage is still cheaper than RAM last time I checked |
| 16:40.09 | Will_Tampa | This is a laptop with a 500gb drive |
| 16:40.41 | Will_Tampa | 150 to linux at the moment (50 to the 1st try & 100 to this try) |
| 16:41.18 | karlpinc | Will_Tampa: Well, lvm will let you fuss around and modify things dynamically, but as I said, then you have to learn lvm. |
| 16:41.21 | socomm | Will_Tampa: with Virtualization dual booting is kinda knuckle head move, now adays |
| 16:41.25 | Will_Tampa | so a 4 or 5gb swap is enough & the rest on / ? |
| 16:41.47 | karlpinc | socomm: Depends on what you want to run the hypervisor on. |
| 16:41.49 | Will_Tampa | Live is still faster then VM |
| 16:42.14 | Artemis3 | Will_Tampa, you only need 101% your ram of swap size if you intend to hibernate |
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| 16:42.31 | socomm | Will_Tampa: hmmmm, depends on your usage |
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| 16:42.57 | jelly-home | Will_Tampa: anything more than 2G swap is basically useless except if used for hibernation |
| 16:43.14 | Artemis3 | or, "a tiny little bit more than your physical ram" |
| 16:43.23 | Will_Tampa | I have run win 7pro /32 in a VB on debian wheezy & som webpages are still laggy |
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| 16:43.57 | Will_Tampa | I might do a LVM in VM to learn it |
| 16:44.06 | Artemis3 | and, someone with 32g of ram should definetely NOT make a 64g swap partition... |
| 16:44.08 | socomm | Will_Tampa: I've ran win xp - 8 and server on VM never had problem with page rendering |
| 16:44.36 | Artemis3 | so the 2x rule, from the days ram was measured in megas instead of gigas, is very obsolete |
| 16:44.45 | tharkun | curl -Iv https://www.example.com among other stuff displays * SSL certificate verify ok. Yet Iceweasel complains about "The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided." How can I fix this isue? |
| 16:45.38 | socomm | tharkun: I dont think thats a debian related question :^/ |
| 16:45.44 | Will_Tampa | so I will go with a 5gb swap (4gb memory) & the rest set to / |
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| 16:46.28 | Artemis3 | make it 4.1 or such :) |
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| 16:47.00 | Artemis3 | unless you plan to add more physical ram |
| 16:47.15 | Artemis3 | ah, thats why i don't bother with swap |
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| 16:47.34 | Will_Tampa | I plan on haveing 2-5 other user accounts... does that make a difference (I was looking at playing with eggdrop) |
| 16:47.42 | tharkun | socomm: Have you seen Iceweasel work outside of Debian? |
| 16:47.48 | Aerosonic_ | Hey guys! |
| 16:47.50 | Aerosonic_ | Could you help me out? I'm trying to find the input keymap file in my dir. |
| 16:48.03 | Aerosonic_ | Particularly the .map file. |
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| 16:48.24 | Artemis3 | Will_Tampa, you'll be fine i guess. |
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| 16:48.59 | Artemis3 | Will_Tampa, let the installer use the guided thing if you don't care much |
| 16:49.02 | mtn | tharkun: he means firefox would give the same message and so would chromium |
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| 16:49.13 | Artemis3 | Will_Tampa, it will make it 2x tho :) |
| 16:49.41 | socomm | tharkun: ok is this a self-signed certificate? |
| 16:49.42 | Will_Tampa | I am just bugged that my 50gb install has such a SMALL root |
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| 16:50.02 | socomm | tharkun: also does the warning appear even after you white list the certificate (if it is self-signed)? |
| 16:50.05 | tharkun | socomm: nope, |
| 16:50.20 | socomm | tharkun: what is the exact error |
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| 16:50.31 | Artemis3 | Will_Tampa, use guided single part? well if you want separate partitions you have to pay attention to disk usage |
| 16:50.42 | Will_Tampa | so I see |
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| 16:51.17 | Artemis3 | Will_Tampa, especially be aware of leaving old kernel images, they will fill up /boot rather quickly (with security updates leaving older versions) |
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| 16:52.04 | tharkun | socomm: the isue is that curl verifies the cert ok and iceweasel fails. I'm taking a look at midori and try to isolate the isue. The server has its own certificate and it tryes to verify its identity with the root ca which is indeed on the guest machine |
| 16:52.51 | tharkun | socomm: Midori works like a charm |
| 16:54.06 | socomm | tharkun: ok so you've isolated the issue, try chromium just to test I'd say, try looking up the error in a search engine and do bug report if there is no solution |
| 16:54.13 | Will_Tampa | Thanks for the help guys |
| 16:54.25 | scoob_ | anyone know how I can input a null byte into a command line program in bash? I've tried ctrl-@ and it didn't work |
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| 16:56.58 | wakejagr_work | how can I boot with no framebuffer? i see that vga=normal is depreciated, but i'm not sure what the equiv is. |
| 16:57.33 | somiaj | wakejagr_work: are you using a kvm driver, if so I don't think you can disable it |
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| 16:58.02 | somiaj | wakejagr_work: do you use Xorg and what video drivers are you using? |
| 16:58.05 | mumpitze1 | !nofb |
| 16:58.06 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition (search linux16) |
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| 16:59.15 | wakejagr_work | i'm not using x, and i'll check on the kvm driver. i'll also try the boot options. thanks. |
| 16:59.45 | somiaj | wakejagr_work: that wiki link seems to have good info. But if you aren't using X it shouldn't be an issue |
| 16:59.54 | gnarface | is there a debian live channel? |
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| 17:01.02 | mumpitze1 | gnarface: yes, on oftc |
| 17:01.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell gnarface about debian live |
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| 17:02.04 | module000 | does the 'activities' view in jessie's current gnome3 have a known issue causing larger windows to fly off the visible screen? instead of showing all my open windows when i enter activities view, the windows all seem to fly to the right, and larger ones will move so far to the right they are no longer visible |
| 17:02.25 | tharkun | socomm: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546221 It seems it is intended behaviour. No use filing a bug. Anyway thanks. |
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| 17:07.55 | Monday | what software can i use to extract rar files? |
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| 17:10.11 | zykotick9 | Monday: there is unrar-free in main, and non-free has a propritary version |
| 17:10.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell Monday about unrar |
| 17:11.04 | Monday | i tried the unrar free version, it didn't work properly |
| 17:11.35 | jelly-home | wonders if anyone uses rar for anything BUT warez |
| 17:11.54 | babilen | probably not as there are much better tools, aren't there? |
| 17:12.04 | Monday | is p7zip-rar different than p7zip? |
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| 17:12.18 | babilen | Monday: Did you read the package description? |
| 17:12.27 | Monday | yes it said p7zip-rar |
| 17:12.36 | Monday | oh wait lol |
| 17:13.01 | babilen | Monday: It says a bit more than that ... fwiw, you will most likely want to install rar or unrar from non-free |
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| 17:14.46 | Monday | its the same p7zip, but says RAR (only if non-free p7zip-rar package is installed) |
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| 17:21.03 | gnarface | is irc.debian.org the same thing as OFTC? |
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| 17:21.33 | jhutchins | gnarface: Yes. |
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| 17:24.19 | crose | hello, is there a way to filter the news aggregated through liferea ? |
| 17:24.48 | babilen | crose: You might also want to try #liferea |
| 17:25.04 | crose | oh ok sorry ^^ |
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| 17:26.09 | jned | what the channel for debian mobile? |
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| 17:26.48 | babilen | jned: What is "Debian mobile" ? |
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| 17:27.02 | jned | babilen, hmm, guess not then |
| 17:27.08 | socomm | babilen: im guessing he means "debian for mobile devices" |
| 17:27.23 | babilen | jned: Well, there is a #debian-mobile channel on irc.oftc.net but I am not sure if that is what you are looking for |
| 17:27.28 | jned | I though there was intimate which is debian for handhelds |
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| 17:28.05 | jned | babilen, thx |
| 17:28.13 | babilen | jned: I'd say try #debian-mobile on OFTC (with the rest of the official Debian channels) as that is probably what you are looking for :) |
| 17:28.14 | armin | hi, i've blacklisted pcspkr and also have the following 3 lines in my bashrc: "set bell-style none; xset b off 2>/dev/null; set blength=0 >/dev/null 2>&1" but i still get beeps when hitting backspace. any hint how to disable that? |
| 17:29.15 | smw | how do I mount a folder locally? |
| 17:29.32 | smw | err, I have a remote folder and want to mount it with sftp |
| 17:29.52 | smw | nothing is showing up in .gvfs |
| 17:30.51 | berarma | smw: nautilus? |
| 17:31.17 | smw | berarma, when I try to open the file in sublime_text, it doesn't work |
| 17:31.30 | smw | and my .gvfs is empty. Even after connecting |
| 17:31.42 | babilen | armin: You don't want that in ~/.bashrc .. put "set bell-style none |
| 17:31.43 | berarma | to mount it locally you can use sshfs |
| 17:32.00 | babilen | armin: " in ~/.inputrc -- I don't think you need anything else. Which terminal program do you use? |
| 17:32.26 | smw | manually using sshfs isn't fun... but I guess my best option |
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| 17:35.19 | berarma | smw: same here, I would like to know a way to make it work from Nautilus and other programs without using the console |
| 17:35.32 | babilen | armin: You can also uncomment that line in /etc/inputrc if you want that setting as a system default. |
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| 17:36.41 | babilen | berarma: You can use nautilus to do that; I am not sure if you know how to do that or if you are looking for instructions. |
| 17:37.21 | armin | babilen: has no effect on my system |
| 17:37.48 | babilen | armin: What exactly has "no effect" on your system? Which terminal program do you use? |
| 17:38.37 | armin | babilen: i'm trying from a fresh tty. on the login prompt i have no beep when hitting backspace, but after logging in on a shell, when hitting backspace, i again get the beep. i'm using a thinkpad by the way. |
| 17:38.46 | armin | babilen: under X i get this completely disabled with the above stuff. |
| 17:38.54 | babilen | "on a shell" ? |
| 17:39.08 | armin | babilen: an interactive bash shell to be exact. |
| 17:39.19 | babilen | armin: So, what did you do? |
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| 17:40.15 | armin | babilen: uncomment "set bell-style none" in inputrc, adding the above mentioned 3 lines to bashrc, blacklisted (and confirmed blacklisted) pcspkr kernel module. |
| 17:40.18 | berarma | babilen: I'm looking for instructions to make it work |
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| 17:40.43 | ksk | hey guys. is it possible to make a debian-package create an empty directory (besides using pre/postinst)? also - if I put a small .placeholder (via install) in there on package-removal it wants to just remove the whole mountpoint as no othere pckages do stuff there - how to prevent that? |
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| 17:42.22 | babilen | berarma: You are looking for File→Connect to server |
| 17:42.35 | armin | babilen: any further idea what i could try? |
| 17:43.14 | babilen | armin: You uncommented it in /etc/inputrc ? You don't need that in ~/.bashrc .. Would you mind, just for giggity, try running "lsmod|grep spkr" ? |
| 17:43.31 | babilen | In fact I really wouldn't put it in ~/.bashrc |
| 17:43.38 | uvogin | hey |
| 17:43.44 | uvogin | where are the invites? |
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| 17:44.06 | armin | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/34470/ |
| 17:44.26 | uvogin | nvm. skin didnt show them |
| 17:44.33 | babilen | uvogin: Do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 17:44.57 | uvogin | oh hahaha |
| 17:45.03 | uvogin | wroooooong channel |
| 17:45.04 | babilen | armin: Could you try adding that line to ~/.inputrc and try again. |
| 17:45.19 | berarma | babilen: that seems to have the same effect as Ctrl-L ssh://... |
| 17:45.21 | babilen | uvogin: Apparently, have fun in whatever channel you were looking for. :) |
| 17:45.34 | armin | babilen: already tried, same result. |
| 17:45.39 | babilen | berarma: Okay, what is wrong with that? |
| 17:45.56 | armin | babilen: i'm confused by this myself, that's why i ask. i even agree with you the set in bashrc's doesn't make sense. |
| 17:46.17 | babilen | armin: That is strange; I am using exactly that configuration and have no beep whatsover. The only difference I see is that I (as it should be) don't have those commands in my .bashrc |
| 17:46.21 | berarma | babilen: it doesn't create a mount point and it doesn't show in the apps open file dialog, like iceweasel |
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| 17:47.12 | armin | babilen: i just removed them and still have the beepage. |
| 17:47.14 | babilen | berarma: IIRC it uses gvfs-mount (or the internal equivalent) for this and typically creates a "shortcut" on your Desktop. Haven't used that functionality in a while. |
| 17:47.16 | berarma | babilen: I mean, it works in Nautilus, but outside of it I can't see the newly connected folder |
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| 17:47.56 | berarma | babilen: I'm using SID, I think it used to be that way but something may have changed |
| 17:48.20 | babilen | berarma: We have a shiny channel for sid (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) |
| 17:48.30 | babilen | but I am being summoned for dinner .... |
| 17:48.37 | babilen | armin: lets continyue this later :) |
| 17:49.30 | armin | just if anyone is interested: i was able to solve this by also blacklisting snd_pcsp |
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| 17:54.26 | ImQ009 | Hello there. Any idea why the installation would hang at "Scanning disks..."? |
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| 17:54.40 | ImQ009 | It's definitely not my HDD, I have no HDD at all :P |
| 17:54.53 | ImQ009 | I just want to install it on my external |
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| 18:06.29 | berarma | where's ~/.gvfs gone in Gnome3? Is there some way to make gvfs mounts appear in the open file dialog? |
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| 18:08.18 | volume_8 | got new laptop. has an SSD. |
| 18:08.28 | volume_8 | erasing data to make an encrypted LLVM splice has taken 2 hours and it's still at 8% |
| 18:08.32 | volume_8 | why so slow? |
| 18:08.38 | volume_8 | is it because of the SSD/ |
| 18:08.52 | ImQ009 | I'm booting the installer from a flash drive |
| 18:08.58 | ImQ009 | It just keeps freezing there |
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| 18:09.43 | ntzrmtthihu777 | heyo, looking to switch from ubuntu to debian. Are debian iso's capable of being booted via a grub menu entry like ubuntu isos? |
| 18:11.46 | berarma | !live |
| 18:11.46 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:11.51 | berarma | ntzrmtthihu777: ^^^ |
| 18:13.09 | ntzrmtthihu777 | berarma: not what I'm needing, lol. I currently have no dvd/cds/usbs to burn an iso to, but my machine already has grub installed. with *buntu I could setup a custom grub.cfg to boot an iso on hdd directly; is such an option available for debian? |
| 18:13.11 | berarma | ImQ009: why do you want to install in an external drive? I'm not sure that's supported by the installer |
| 18:13.33 | ImQ009 | berarma, Because my HDD is dead |
| 18:13.49 | ImQ009 | And yes, it is supported |
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| 18:15.07 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: i think you can, yes |
| 18:15.12 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: I think I might have in the past, too |
| 18:16.14 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: any guides available? I've got the one for *buntu, but I'm not sure how applicable it would be |
| 18:16.32 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: I think it's the same process |
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| 18:16.47 | Deeps | ..mostly |
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| 18:17.33 | ntzrmtthihu777 | oh boy XD |
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| 18:19.40 | causasui | i'm installing debian as a vm guest. i don't want a desktop environment but i do need a shell. is it OK to un-check "Debian desktop environment" when installing? |
| 18:19.50 | Deeps | Yep |
| 18:19.54 | causasui | ok |
| 18:19.58 | zykotick9 | causasui: yes, that's what you want ;) |
| 18:20.28 | causasui | if i check web server and file server, what do i get? httpd and nfs? |
| 18:20.36 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: alrighty, what is the current stable release? |
| 18:20.50 | causasui | also, what do i get if i check mail server? sendmail? |
| 18:20.55 | zykotick9 | causasui: i'm not sure about the web task, but file gives both samba and nfs. |
| 18:21.06 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: www.debian.org |
| 18:21.11 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: or read the topic |
| 18:21.34 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: it says released, not wheezy is current stable build :P |
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| 18:22.34 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: FAQ, 2nd question |
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| 18:25.06 | zykotick9 | causasui: fyi, what's in task-web-server is http://paste.debian.net/34490/ |
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| 18:26.18 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: sorry, lost connection. Ok, I see the bittorent downloads for 7.1 amd64, but it has both cd and dvd versions. if I'm booting the iso directly with grub2, what would be the better choice? |
| 18:26.36 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: Depends on how much you want to download! |
| 18:26.46 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: Personally I'd think the netinst iso would be the better choice |
| 18:26.59 | Deeps | as I don't want to download anything more than the bare minimum up front, and download the rest during the install process |
| 18:26.59 | zykotick9 | causasui: mail server is http://paste.debian.net/34491/ |
| 18:27.19 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: my internet connectivity is limited to a cell phone hotspot XD |
| 18:27.53 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: is it reliable? are there bw constraints? |
| 18:28.03 | ImQ009 | It seems like it has a problem with a particular pendrive of mine |
| 18:28.05 | Deeps | if 'yes' to both, netinst. if no to both, dvd |
| 18:28.09 | ImQ009 | It works just fine when I take it out |
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| 18:28.15 | Deeps | if yes to one, cd |
| 18:28.21 | ImQ009 | I need that pendrive though |
| 18:28.42 | ntzrmtthihu777 | also, under the cd link it has debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-{1..8}.iso.torrent, so which am I to chose? 1, 2, ... 8? |
| 18:28.54 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: it has a tendency to walk away. |
| 18:29.14 | Deeps | 1 would seem like a sensible logical first choice |
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| 18:30.04 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: true, but I don't see why there are multiples. its reminding me of the old days of installing windows with multiple floppies XD |
| 18:30.36 | ntzrmtthihu777 | in any case no to both, so dvd it is. still has 3 options. I don't get the why for that, lol. |
| 18:30.37 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: per the written docs that you don't seem too concerned with reading, the additional CDs just contain additional packages that can be installed |
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| 18:31.44 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Deeps: heh. I'm just looking for a quick switch, and as I've said my internet isn't the greatest atm. sorry if its bugging you, but to be frank browsing the internet is damned near impossible atm. |
| 18:31.59 | Deeps | ntzrmtthihu777: roger. you did mention that, my bad |
| 18:32.52 | berarma | ntzrmtthihu777: can you get to a better connected computer and download the cds? That would be your best bet to install fast and clean |
| 18:33.36 | ntzrmtthihu777 | berarma: I've two machines atm, and both are dependent on these damned cell phone hotspots. I could take a trip to the public library, but I live in the boonies and its quite a walk XD |
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| 18:34.17 | ntzrmtthihu777 | so, for a bare minimum debian install I'd use CD-1? fastest download and whatnot? |
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| 18:36.23 | vlt | Hello. When I connect my DV camera to the firewire input I get some dmesg lines about a new firewire device and then this: "firewire_core: giving up on config rom for node id ffc0". When I try to read video I get "error reading config rom directory for node 0, Error: no camera exists". Any idea what could be missing here? |
| 18:37.35 | ntzrmtthihu777 | I started linux on ubuntu, but I'm getting tired of canonical's schenanigans. I just tried out a kali linux iso, and I like how much slimmer over backtrack it is, so I hope maybe the switch from ubuntu to debian will be similarly liberating. |
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| 18:41.43 | berarma | ntzrmtthihu777: the netinst is smaller than that, you will download only the packages you need |
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| 18:43.10 | johndo | ntzrmtthihu777: it does not so much depend on which distribution you use but rather on what software you want to use and install |
| 18:43.12 | ntzrmtthihu777 | berarma: hmm. I've a wifi card that requires non-free firmware, does the netinst support that? |
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| 18:43.44 | ntzrmtthihu777 | johndo: true, but when something as simple as gedit drags in the whole damned zeitgeist framework its annoying. |
| 18:43.47 | johndo | the standard desktops on linux have gotten as fat as a windows desktop, but you have the choice to use slimmer ones with less bells and whistles |
| 18:44.08 | berarma | !firmware images |
| 18:44.08 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 18:45.08 | ntzrmtthihu777 | berarma: ah, thankya. But I don't see a netinst directory, guess I'm stuck on cd then, eh? |
| 18:45.20 | semko | hi |
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| 18:45.23 | semko | I've just upgraded to jessie and wanted change the iceweasel repo right after, but its repo is http://cdn.debian.net/debian unstable main (i want to track normal iceweasel releases for jessie, not beta) |
| 18:45.23 | semko | will it cause debian to get packages from another unstable branch and will i have a mixed release? |
| 18:45.25 | ntzrmtthihu777 | berarma: scratch that. |
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| 18:46.03 | semko | got the repo from mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:49.12 | semko | how do you have iceweasel installed? |
| 18:50.22 | semko | also when i do a lsb_release -a i get this result: http://paste.debian.net/34501/ |
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| 18:50.47 | semko | maybe because i am using the multimedia repo |
| 18:51.06 | jordanm | semko: looks like a bug in lsb release regardless |
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| 18:51.30 | semko | cat /etc/issuse shows correctly methins |
| 18:51.43 | semko | which is: Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid \n \l |
| 18:52.13 | semko | or maybe 'cos i have multiarch enabled :| |
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| 18:52.47 | jordanm | semko: not that, it looks fine. what looks like a bug is the LSB Version section |
| 18:53.13 | semko | jordanm, maybe |
| 18:53.48 | semko | jordanm, do you use iceweasel? |
| 18:54.01 | jordanm | no |
| 18:54.56 | semko | ok |
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| 19:12.33 | Jonuz | Is tracker-miner-f supposed to take 60% from RAM and 40% from cpu..? |
| 19:12.54 | ImQ009 | Hey guys |
| 19:13.12 | ImQ009 | how can I install Debian /boot/ on a separate drive? |
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| 19:13.48 | ImQ009 | The whole point is I can't boot from my external HDD and my pendrive is too small. I've heard that you could put /boot/ partition on separate device |
| 19:14.07 | ImQ009 | I tried doing that but the pendrive is untouched |
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| 19:15.37 | rryoumaa | by default, aide uses a whole lot of hashes. are there any i can eliminate without reducing security too much? also, just as a check, is it sufficient to add "!/my-excluded-dir" to /etc/aide/aide.conf if i want to exlude it? |
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| 19:18.20 | ImQ009 | How can I do that manually? |
| 19:18.30 | ImQ009 | I know I have to install Grub and some kernel stuff |
| 19:18.34 | ImQ009 | But how do I do that? |
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| 19:26.38 | johndo | ImQ009: I would move all the files under /boot to your new boot drive, then mount (the partition of) that drive under boot, rerun grub configuration and look if it succeeds |
| 19:26.58 | berarma | babilen: I can't see gvfs mounts neither in Wheezy nor Sid, I told you I was on Sid because it's more up to date |
| 19:27.09 | johndo | but I have never done that myself, you may end up with an unbootable system, just be prepared for that |
| 19:27.11 | berarma | anyone can help me find the gvfs mounts in Wheezy? |
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| 19:27.39 | ImQ009 | johndo, Grub configuration? |
| 19:27.58 | ImQ009 | Rerun? I haven't ran anything like that |
| 19:28.13 | ImQ009 | I don't even know how to do that in the first place to be honest |
| 19:28.13 | johndo | ImQ009: grub update (or whatever boot manager you use) |
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| 19:28.34 | johndo | ImQ009: than I won't try that, it's most likely to fail |
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| 19:28.58 | b0bbi10 | hi |
| 19:29.00 | ImQ009 | johndo, I don't have any boot manager, that's the point |
| 19:29.05 | johndo | ImQ009: if you have an old computer maybe try it out with that before |
| 19:29.24 | b0bbi10 | how can I make the default user (which I added to the sudoers group) able to use usual commands such as 'ifconfig'? |
| 19:29.25 | ImQ009 | I don't think you get the whole point of this :P |
| 19:29.25 | johndo | ImQ009: oh, then just ignore all what I have said |
| 19:29.29 | ImQ009 | I had a HDD crash |
| 19:29.30 | DANtheBEASTman | hi so I'm trying to debootstrap testing, I've pretty much got everything figured out except for wireless.. how in the hell do I install nm-applet? trying to install network-manager-gnome pulls in all of gnome-shell as a dependency, so does gnome-applets |
| 19:29.36 | ImQ009 | My laptop is completely unusable |
| 19:29.41 | b0bbi10 | I mean, I even have to prepend 'sudo' in order to check my IP adress... |
| 19:29.43 | ImQ009 | I wanted to install Debian on my external HDD |
| 19:29.49 | ImQ009 | But it's not possibble to boot from it |
| 19:30.02 | ImQ009 | So I though I could like put a /boot thingy on separate device, like a pendrive |
| 19:30.09 | ImQ009 | Which would then load the system from the HDD |
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| 19:31.19 | johndo | ImQ009: when your laptop can boot from that pendrive it may be doable |
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| 19:31.40 | ImQ009 | It can boot from USB devices |
| 19:31.50 | ImQ009 | Just not the USB HDD I own for some reason |
| 19:31.56 | johndo | ImQ009: you still will need something like a bootloader |
| 19:32.00 | ImQ009 | Yeah |
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| 19:32.05 | ImQ009 | Debian installs Grub |
| 19:32.17 | johndo | but I don't know how to convince the debian installer to install on that constellation |
| 19:32.20 | ImQ009 | Altho the installer doesn't do that the way it should do |
| 19:32.36 | ImQ009 | It doesn't do anything with the pendrive even though I marked it as /boot |
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| 19:33.22 | johndo | ImQ009: does the installer install boot on your external drive? |
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| 19:33.54 | johndo | or does it refuse to install at all? |
| 19:33.59 | ImQ009 | If I tell it to do that, it does it |
| 19:34.18 | johndo | ImQ009: then you can try to follow my first answer |
| 19:34.33 | ImQ009 | Hm |
| 19:34.35 | johndo | after basic installation is completed |
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| 19:34.48 | johndo | _before_ reboot, obviously :) |
| 19:35.28 | johndo | ImQ009: but I have no clue if it will work with USB boot mechanism |
| 19:35.36 | johndo | in the end |
| 19:36.48 | ImQ009 | Hold on, I think I'm on to something |
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| 19:37.11 | ImQ009 | Previously when I wanted to do that the /boot on pendrive task wasn't listed in the summary |
| 19:37.15 | ImQ009 | Now it is |
| 19:37.20 | ImQ009 | I think it will work this time |
| 19:37.26 | ImQ009 | ...maybe |
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| 19:38.16 | johndo | ImQ009: ok, if the installer voluntarily gives you that option your chances may be better, indeed :) |
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| 19:40.41 | johndo | b0bbi10: you shouldn't need root permissions to do that, try to run the command with the full path (/sbin/ifconfig) |
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| 19:43.38 | ImQ009 | Nope, didn't work |
| 19:44.04 | wakejagr_work | I previously had 6.0.7 installed and working normally. Today I installed 7.1.0 and now my screen blanks a few seconds after boot. No X. I've tried editing the boot command in grub to add set gfxmode=800x600 and set gfxpayload=800x600x16. I've also tried gfxpayload=keep. Whatever I try, it seems like framebuffer is used and doesn't work. Is there something else I can try? |
| 19:44.13 | ImQ009 | I guess there's literally no other way than buying a new HDD |
| 19:44.17 | ImQ009 | Which I can't do now |
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| 19:45.33 | rryoumaa | how do i find out what dependencies are unresolved? i answered yes to aptitude leaving something unresolved, but it seems to not show up as unresolved. |
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| 19:45.45 | johndo | !nofb |
| 19:45.45 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition (search linux16) |
| 19:45.57 | johndo | wakejagr_work: maybe that ^^ helps |
| 19:46.41 | wakejagr_work | johndo: thanks. i'll look at that |
| 19:47.51 | DANtheBEASTman | hi so I'm trying to debootstrap testing, I've pretty much got everything figured out except for wireless.. how in the hell do I install nm-applet? trying to install network-manager-gnome pulls in all of gnome-shell as a dependency, so does gnome-applets |
| 19:50.36 | GNU\colossus | DANtheBEASTman, are you installing with --no-install-recommends? |
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| 19:55.45 | DANtheBEASTman | no.. i wasn't. I don't know why I didn't think of that, thank you very much |
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| 19:57.04 | safinaskar | i will hibernate to swap, then add additional physical memory, then wake up. will this work? |
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| 19:57.42 | gnarface | gasp, no more powernowd in wheezy?/ |
| 19:57.53 | gnarface | :( |
| 19:58.45 | wakejagr_work | I was able to install 7.1.0 with the framebuffer running, but when I boot, it appears that a compatible fb mode is never found. I still can't seem to get fb turned off when booting from new install on hd. |
| 19:59.30 | rryoumaa | i think i found the answer to my question: ~b |
| 19:59.57 | rryoumaa | the word "unresolved" was not present in the docs in that context |
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| 20:03.32 | bucketm0use | I have a script at /opt/script.sh and would like to give it an alias 'foo'. Is it possible to do this so when I type 'foo bar' it passes 'bar' as an argument? |
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| 20:06.43 | johndo | bucketm0use: that maybe depends on your shell, on bash and probably others the shell appends the parameters to the alias, so it's possible |
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| 20:07.50 | bucketm0use | Thank you johndo. I must be doing something wrong. |
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| 20:08.20 | johndo | bucketm0use: is your script executable? |
| 20:09.09 | jordanm | bucketm0use: foo() { /opt/script.sh "$@"; }; foo bar |
| 20:09.09 | DANtheBEASTman | bucketm0use: I would use a function rather than an alias: function foo { /opt/script.sh $@ } |
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| 20:09.25 | DANtheBEASTman | lol beat me to it.. I forgot the quotes too |
| 20:09.34 | jordanm | DANtheBEASTman: "function" is not protable and *always* quote "$@" |
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| 20:09.48 | jordanm | also, you are missing a required ";" or newline |
| 20:10.01 | DANtheBEASTman | zsh spoils me, sorry |
| 20:10.54 | bucketm0use | cool, using a function seems to work! |
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| 20:13.40 | DANtheBEASTman | okay so if I'm not being too much of a bother, after upgrading to testing from wheezy, everything is working fine except my favorite font is only working in my terminal, other apps refuse to see that it exists |
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| 20:14.09 | Xfaulz | x |
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| 20:19.23 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: any errors you get from the applications that try to use it? |
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| 20:21.21 | maroloccio | hi. what is the "philosophy" behind /etc/default? |
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| 20:21.50 | babilen | maroloccio: Defaults are good! Letting the user adapt defaults to his/her liking is better! |
| 20:22.04 | maroloccio | tell me more |
| 20:23.05 | babilen | maroloccio: /etc/default/ simply contains a number of configuration files in which system administrator can change "default" settings of various programs. |
| 20:23.43 | DANtheBEASTman | somiaj: nope, but for instance lxappearance doesn't list it as a font, neither does vim-gtk. but it works perfect in the terminal |
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| 20:24.38 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: in what terminal, some of them have buit in fonts. |
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| 20:25.03 | tremon | maroloccio: debian policy manual, section 9.3.2, last few paragraphs: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-writing-init |
| 20:25.10 | DANtheBEASTman | i use urxvt, the font is tewi, which is definitely not built in or a default |
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| 20:25.50 | DANtheBEASTman | I tried running `mkfontdir ~/.fonts; mkfontscale ~/.fonts; xset +fp ~/.fonts; xset fp rehash; fc-cache -fv` but it doesn't help. still not in the font list |
| 20:25.55 | DANtheBEASTman | but it still works in the terminal |
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| 20:27.10 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: is the font you are using in urxvt a xft font or the old xtype fonts? |
| 20:28.33 | DANtheBEASTman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.56 | somiaj | don't think I know enough about fonts to help. |
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| 20:30.15 | adh0c | er |
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| 20:44.09 | Xfaulz | what's the difference between the linux-libre kernel and THE linux kernel. |
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| 20:44.40 | DANtheBEASTman | linux-libre doesn't include non-Free firmware or binary blobs |
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| 20:45.46 | iTommix | Hi... anybody here with knowledge about iptables? |
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| 20:46.15 | xand | !anyone |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:47.17 | jhutchins | iTommix: Yep. |
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| 20:48.28 | iTommix | ok ok... ;) i try to explain: i have an captive portal which block EVERY port on clients until they autheticate... it works. BUT: i need a rule to open port 80 on ONE specific domain... |
| 20:49.05 | iTommix | this CP works with iptables... any suggestion like "why u dont use this" or "use that" doesnt help here |
| 20:49.38 | iTommix | jhutchins: can i give u a link to pastebin to see my rule-set? |
| 20:50.58 | iTommix | not specific domain... IP instead, cause iptables cant handle domains AFAIK |
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| 20:51.40 | causasui | postgresql 9.2 has been an official release since sept 2012, but $ sudo apt-get install postgresql installs 9.1. wha? |
| 20:53.21 | causasui | http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ holds the answer to my question |
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| 20:55.14 | iTommix | jhutchins: still alive? :D |
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| 20:58.23 | johndo | iTommix: do you mean to allow port 80 traffic to one specific destination IP address or from one specific source address? |
| 20:58.52 | iTommix | johndo: TO one specific address, yes... |
| 20:59.10 | iTommix | johndo: destination |
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| 21:00.50 | iTommix | johndo: u have to imagine from the beginning (no tauthentication) EVERY port (incl. 80) is closed, means www.google.com doesnt work and it is what i want... except www.amazon.com for example |
| 21:01.18 | tremon | if my openwrt router doesn't have enough free ram to store the trx file, is tftp my only option? |
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| 21:01.27 | xand | iTommix: just create a rule for that... with a specific -d |
| 21:01.50 | xand | tremon: I think you might want to ask in #openwrt or something |
| 21:02.11 | tremon | argh. fail. I though I already went there :) |
| 21:02.22 | tremon | apologies |
| 21:02.39 | johndo | iTommix: ahh, I thought it, that I did not understand the question correctly, you want to filter outgoing traffic, not protect a server |
| 21:02.49 | iTommix | xand: yes... i would if i have enough knowledge... but in this i am a noob... maybe someone take a look on my existing rules http://pastebin.com/HdyheccE |
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| 21:03.24 | iTommix | johndo: its an captive portal... hotspot like in hotel's etc. |
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| 21:05.02 | johndo | iTommix: the problem is not to add these rules, but to remove them |
| 21:05.23 | iTommix | johndo: no no... this works. have u seen my pastebin? |
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| 21:06.41 | bcdonadio | I need to package a simple BASH script (there's no other files, and it doesn't needs to compile anything), but I need to check for runtime dependencies on installation. What is the easiest way to create this .deb? |
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| 21:08.37 | CalimeroTeknik | how can I get mk-build-deps -i to not ask for confirmation? |
| 21:09.02 | JyZyXEL | nvm. it was described in the installation guide |
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| 21:12.35 | johndo | iTommix: you can add rules at the beginning (with -I) which allows the traffic FROM the authenticated client to the internet, but you will need a mechanism which removes the rules after the client timed out or has disconnected |
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| 21:13.41 | iTommix | johndo: if the client is autenticated every port will be open... incl. 80. but i talk about the case a client isn't autenticated |
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| 21:16.08 | iTommix | johndo: behind the scene: the portal page on the local webserver needs JS/CSS files from a server in www. also make ajax calls to this server... thats why i need this port on this one ip open before authentication |
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| 21:20.42 | johndo | iTommix: I'm afraid I don't understand your network structure, so you just want to allow traffic to that server, port 80? iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d server_ip -p tcp --port 80 ? |
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| 21:23.06 | iTommix | johndo: yes... imagine you join wifi on that CP... you can't see anything except the local website. no google... no amazon... nothing. but this local website needs smth from www, a specific ip... |
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| 21:25.35 | johndo | iTommix: yes, but the clients do need to authenticate only once and then that IP has full internet access forever? |
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| 21:27.54 | iTommix | johndo: not for ever... during night the clients will be kicked |
| 21:28.29 | intelikey | someone know much about google-earth and why it might need/want root perm for something ? |
| 21:28.42 | johndo | iTommix: and the firewall restarted or the rooter rebooted? ok, then that's the mechanism :) |
| 21:28.57 | iTommix | johndo: reboot ;) |
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| 21:29.22 | iTommix | johndo: do u think that rule u give me should work? |
| 21:29.25 | johndo | intelikey: it does not, at least not for me |
| 21:29.45 | intelikey | the backtrace doesn't show me anything that would be causing it to crash for all except root. i'm puzzeled |
| 21:30.10 | johndo | iTommix: I don't know as I stll don't know your network structure, but thats how you allow routing to a server, tcp port 80 |
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| 21:30.29 | iTommix | johndo: have u seen my rules? |
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| 21:31.50 | johndo | iTommix: yes, looks like it redirects all traffic to 10.0.0.254, but I'm not much familiar with NAT |
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| 21:34.04 | iTommix | johndo: yes... thats what the rules do. maybe i have to do this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wlan0 -p tcp -m mark --mark 99 -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination MY_IP_OUTSIDE ? |
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| 21:40.15 | maroloccio | tremon: thanks for the deb policy deep link |
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| 21:44.26 | aguitel | whay this error ? :http://paste.debian.net/34567/ |
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| 21:46.25 | xand | aguitel: i/o error can mean disk is failin |
| 21:46.26 | xand | g |
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| 21:46.33 | xand | look in dmesg output for anything like that |
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| 21:51.21 | iTommix | johndo: thx for ur help... i have to go another way i guess... cu :) |
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| 22:03.32 | vlt | Hi. I get a "segfault error" everytime I start a program. What can i do to 1) get rid of it, 2) help to improve Debian? |
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| 22:05.53 | mavzuna | vlt: Which program? |
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| 22:08.35 | vlt | mavzuna: The "dvgrab" part of "dvswitch". |
| 22:09.23 | vlt | It's Debian stable with latest updates and kernel 3.2.0 |
| 22:09.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell vlt about reportbug |
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| 22:13.42 | nagetier | Hi, is it possible using static /dev by purging udev in 7.1.0? |
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| 22:21.30 | jelly-home | nagetier: you are also going to need an initrd/initramfs setup that can deal with a static /dev. What's your real goal? |
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| 22:22.05 | dottt433 | hi! |
| 22:22.16 | debrisrat | hi dottt433 |
| 22:22.39 | dottt433 | what is a "good" way to authenticate to a enterprise proxy (ntlm) to get apt" |
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| 22:23.06 | dottt433 | and all other protocols |
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| 22:26.38 | nagetier | jelly-home, it is a real small server who never will use hotplug devices, so i want to remove udev.. i'm using my own kernel config, without module sopport.. so i think i do not need the initrd/initramfs? (sorry my language, it's not my nativ) |
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| 22:27.19 | nagetier | jelly-home, will makedev create the new static devices after removing udev? |
| 22:28.06 | nagetier | *support |
| 22:28.12 | jelly-home | nagetier: boot a live image, mount and chroot and populate with MAKEDEV manually in advance |
| 22:29.31 | jelly-home | you can't remove udev on the fly, it requires a reboot at the very least. In addition I'm not sure the dependencies in current Debian will let you remove it at all, but that's a different problem |
| 22:30.17 | jelly-home | nagetier: it used to be possible two releases back in Debian 5, last time I used an udevless system |
| 22:30.41 | nagetier | jelly-home, the post-installing procedure from paket 'makedev' will not create the devices itself? |
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| 22:32.06 | jelly-home | nagetier: even if it tries, it can't make anything with udev in place |
| 22:32.34 | jelly-home | and it does not know which devices you actually need |
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| 22:34.07 | nagetier | jelly-home, if i run 'apt-get purge udev' makedev is selected as new package |
| 22:34.28 | nagetier | but only on one of two machines oO |
| 22:34.51 | jelly-home | even openwrt has "hotplug2" |
| 22:34.55 | nagetier | on that other 7.1.0 machine only udev will purged |
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| 22:37.21 | himura | Hi there all. I have a linux/md software raid that I have been adding drives to and growing for a week now. Takes about 24 hours per 3TB drive. I just started the grow/reshape on the machine with a new disk and the system is now running weird. |
| 22:37.29 | nagetier | jelly-home, i thinks it's better leaving udev running.. thanks for your feedback |
| 22:37.52 | nagetier | -s |
| 22:37.56 | himura | For instance, mdadm -D /dev/md0 wont run, df -h wont run, things like that. What should the next troubleshooting step be? I'd had to reboot and find the md0 device messed up. |
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| 22:46.13 | fruitFly | my uncle wants a stable OS and mostly just browses the web and uses skype, however, how easy is it to install programs to debian eg. google earth and get the latest version of skype; i do not want it to be difficult for him. |
| 22:47.04 | jelly-home | fruitFly: if you install 32bit debian stable for him, it ought to be easy enough |
| 22:47.55 | fruitFly | jelly-home: his laptop had 4GB of memory, why should I download 32 bit instead of 64 bit? is 32 bit easier to download things than 64 bit? what is easier about it? |
| 22:48.26 | jelly-home | fruitFly: no need to mess with multiarch to get skype and googleearth-package going |
| 22:48.50 | fruitFly | jelly-home: multi arc? quick summary? |
| 22:48.56 | jelly-home | exactly :-D |
| 22:48.57 | cafuego | Just make sure you install the pae kernel, so the laptop can use all of that 4GB. |
| 22:49.09 | jelly-home | cafuego: -amd64 kernel works as well. |
| 22:49.28 | jelly-home | !tell fruitFly about multiarch |
| 22:49.35 | cafuego | Is that in the i386 repo? |
| 22:49.39 | jelly-home | cafuego: yes it is. |
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| 22:49.45 | cafuego | Well, easy then :-) |
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| 22:50.07 | jelly-home | that's what I use, for similar reasons |
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| 22:50.40 | fruitFly | jelly-home: actually his laptop has 1.5 GB of memory and an AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile, Technology ML-34, 1.79 GHz processor |
| 22:50.50 | jelly-home | (also, there was no "amd64" arch last time this machine was installed) |
| 22:50.57 | cafuego | and as a bonus, Evolution can only leak 2Gb of ram before it gets killed without taking any other apps with it. |
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| 22:51.09 | jelly-home | 3GB, but yes |
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| 22:51.49 | jelly-home | fruitFly: that's not a lot in this day and age |
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| 22:52.56 | fruitFly | jelly-home: i know, but it's for mainly webbrowsing and skype, i figure debian can more than handle the job. But i just want his machine to be able to download other apps if he wants and am curious how easy that would be |
| 22:53.18 | jelly-home | any app that has to be downloaded separately is a bother |
| 22:54.11 | jelly-home | thus, if you're the person that's going to install the OS, you might as well go ahead and install skype and google earth right away |
| 22:54.59 | jelly-home | with 32bit, skype is one download and two commands |
| 22:55.32 | fruitFly | jelly-home: right ok, isn't it much easier to install apps with ubuntu/mint, but how how might those perform on this machine, how much less stable are they? |
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| 22:55.46 | jelly-home | googleearth is a bit more elaborate, since the contrib repo has tobe enabled and googleearth-package package used |
| 22:56.03 | jelly-home | fruitFly: skype pretty much just works |
| 22:56.38 | jelly-home | it might hang once a month or so, happens for me on one machine but not the other |
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| 22:57.03 | jelly-home | pkill -9 skype, restart, move on |
| 22:57.35 | fruitFly | jelly-home: will debian installer set up a dual boot on his windows xp machine? or do I have to do that manually? |
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| 22:58.49 | jelly-home | fruitFly: I don't remember the details about that. os-prober should detect and add a menu entry for xp into the grub menu, but grub _will_ overwrite the previous boot loader |
| 23:01.03 | fruitFly | i'm thinking of installing ubuntu from a usb, is that the best way to go about it? which iso do i download for these specs: laptop 1.5 GB of memory and an AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile, Technology ML-34, 1.79 GHz processor |
| 23:01.10 | fruitFly | jelly-home: ^ |
| 23:01.12 | jelly-home | I have no experience with mint, and limited experience with ubuntu |
| 23:01.38 | jelly-home | the #ubuntu channel is right next door --> |
| 23:02.29 | jelly-home | the only thing I remember is I'd use a long-term release of Ubuntu ("LTS") |
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| 23:02.47 | fruitFly | jelly-home: I meant debian* |
| 23:03.19 | jelly-home | which graphic card is in there? |
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| 23:04.32 | jelly-home | fruitFly: 1.5GB isn't much. Install 32bit xfce, that's a pretty conservative setup both from an UI point and it's not bad wrt resource consumption either |
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| 23:04.39 | jelly-home | !install xfce |
| 23:04.40 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
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| 23:06.26 | jelly-home | fruitFly: pick the xfce-cd-1 image from http://www.debian.org/ -> CD ISO images -> Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP -> i386 |
| 23:07.08 | jelly-home | fruitFly: if you use wireless to connect to internet, you might want to use |
| 23:07.12 | jelly-home | !firmware images |
| 23:07.12 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 23:07.41 | jelly-home | fruitFly: but then you need to follow the "To install using Debian-Installer" but above |
| 23:07.44 | jelly-home | bit* |
| 23:08.26 | jelly-home | that's old hardware, so there's reasonable chance most of it is going to have drivers |
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| 23:11.45 | fruitFly | jelly-home: what ius the difference between downloading cd/dvd images using ftp versus live image using ftp? |
| 23:12.05 | jelly-home | fruitFly: the live image different from the installer. |
| 23:12.19 | jelly-home | if you want to install... use an installer image. |
| 23:12.40 | fruitFly | jelly-home: aah lol, makes sense |
| 23:14.01 | jelly-home | hope that cleared at least some things up. /me -> bed |
| 23:14.29 | fruitFly | jelly-home: i'm putting it on a usb download a cd image instead of a dvd image? why is the dvd image so much larger? |
| 23:14.46 | jelly-home | it has... more stuff on it? |
| 23:15.16 | jelly-home | don't bother with the dvd image if you have a decent connection |
| 23:15.30 | schreber | anyone know why debain would pull gnome3 down (or at least from appearances) when I want to instal lxde? |
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| 23:16.00 | maher | anyone using gallery3 on debian? |
| 23:16.05 | fruitFly | jelly-home: so just download the tiny image that requires the internet? |
| 23:16.18 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 23:16.41 | fruitFly | jelly-home: where is that here? http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 23:16.45 | fruitFly | for my architecture? |
| 23:17.15 | jelly-home | i386 |
| 23:17.29 | fruitFly | jelly-home: this? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 23:18.22 | himura | Anyone here have experience with stopping a reshape operation in progress on a software raid? |
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| 23:19.45 | jelly-home | fruitFly: that's not what I suggested initially, but it's an option. wireless might not work with that image tho. |
| 23:19.58 | fruitFly | jelly-home: this? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 23:19.59 | fruitFly | i sec |
| 23:20.02 | fruitFly | 1 sec* |
| 23:20.10 | jelly-home | himura: people in #linux-raid channel might have |
| 23:20.44 | fruitFly | jelly-home: you mean i will have to plug the laptop into the ethernet while installing but after install it will have the wirless drivers? |
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| 23:22.01 | jelly-home | fruitFly: you will probably need to install firmware for the wireless manually after the installation to make it work |
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| 23:22.32 | jelly-home | fruitFly: that can be avoided by using the "unofficial" firmware images I mentioned above |
| 23:22.57 | fruitFly | jelly-home: so i386 is for AMD 32 bit as well? |
| 23:23.00 | himura | thansk jelly-home I wasnt sure where to go. |
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| 23:24.57 | jelly-home | fruitFly: yes |
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| 23:30.47 | Leoneof | hi, the file called kcore has 1Gb, in the dir /proc/ , i ca't delete that file even as root |
| 23:31.16 | Leoneof | can't* |
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| 23:33.14 | johndo | Leoneof: and you shouldn't |
| 23:33.20 | peterrooney | Leoneof: (i) it is a virtual file. (ii) roughly speaking, it represents memory. |
| 23:33.33 | johndo | why do you want to delete it? it is a virtual file and does not use space on your disk |
| 23:33.48 | Leoneof | oh, it's swap? |
| 23:34.03 | Leoneof | ok, i didn't know about that :] |
| 23:34.24 | maher | Leoneof: you probably don't want to delete anything in /proc or /sys - this is where the kernel keeps useful things |
| 23:34.34 | johndo | Leoneof: you generally shouldn't touch anything under /proc or /sys |
| 23:34.45 | Leoneof | okay |
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| 23:36.24 | cafuego | or /dev |
| 23:36.37 | cafuego | and possibly not even /tmp |
| 23:36.46 | ebot1 | sny ideas why my torrent downloads were sll |
| 23:36.49 | ebot1 | slow |
| 23:37.45 | ebot1 | i was using deluge ..at first the speed was 400kbps then after screensaver kicked in ..speed went down to 0.2 kbps |
| 23:38.17 | cafuego | the MPAA contacted your ISP |
| 23:38.17 | causasui | lol. |
| 23:38.40 | ebot1 | couldnt get speed back up . so i put the same files on windows and speed was 400.. so its nothing to do wiht |
| 23:38.44 | ebot1 | isp or seeders |
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| 23:41.36 | fruitFly | i want to install debian, which architecture should I choose for an AMD Turion 64 Mobile, Technology ML-34, 1.79 GHz with 1.5 GB memory? And how do I install it so it has the wireless drivers (Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN)? or do I have to manually install that driver? |
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| 23:45.35 | maher | fruitFly: amd64 |
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| 23:46.17 | woshty | maher: he could use 32bit to save on ram .. but I would pick amd64 as well |
| 23:47.10 | fruitFly | maher: thank you. and do you recommend the network install or the full image install? I want to dual boot 7.1 on an xp machine and get the wirless (Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN) to work. |
| 23:47.43 | johndo | fruitFly: remember why jelly suggested to chose i386, you want to install 3rd-party 32bit apps, don't you? |
| 23:47.52 | maher | fruitFly: try network install first - if you have problems with the wireless drivers try the full one |
| 23:48.16 | maher | fruitFly: can you connect the machine to a wired network? |
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| 23:48.55 | fruitFly | johndo: just skype, should I still install i386? I don't fully understand, is skype and other apps only developed for i386 architecture? |
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| 23:49.16 | maher | fruitFly: skype works on amd64 |
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| 23:49.44 | johndo | fruitFly: I don't know about sky, but googleearth is only available as 32bit application as far as I know |
| 23:49.52 | johndo | *skype |
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| 23:50.22 | somiaj | johndo: they are both only 32bit apps, but can be installed on 64bit systems with multiarch |
| 23:50.50 | fruitFly | maher: johndo so what's the deal, are most apps written to just run on i386? is that why i386 is recommeded if one wants to install 3rd party apps? is AMD64 more optimized than i386 for my architecture? what's the difference in performance? |
| 23:50.59 | johndo | somiaj: right, but then you have to mess with multiarch for about no gain? |
| 23:51.17 | johndo | (on that hardware) |
| 23:51.31 | somiaj | johndo: yes, it is so hard to run two commands to add multiarch in debian |
| 23:52.03 | johndo | somiaj: multiarch support seems to be a bit away from beeing complete |
| 23:52.28 | johndo | when I try to enable it on my desktop aprt wants me to remove several application packages |
| 23:52.45 | johndo | looks like some libs are not yet multiarch aware |
| 23:52.58 | maher | fruitFly: no ; possibly ; yes ; faster but uses more ram |
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| 23:53.49 | themill | fruitFly: if Debian can get hold of the source code, it normally makes sure that it runs on all architectures in Debian-land. Skype and googleearth don't give out source code so this can't be done. They *probably* would compile just fine for amd64 too but their developers choose not to do so. |
| 23:54.10 | johndo | fruitFly: there's no much difference for all debian application, the difference is 3rd-party applications, which often are only available as 32bit versions |
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| 23:54.31 | larrikin | can anyone tell me how to control a process cpu to the point where it has to share cpu with 'idle'.. renice to 20 still allows it to consume 'idle'..? |
| 23:55.03 | somiaj | johndo: yes this is the first release to include it. But most popular apps work just fine with it. It is not difficult for someone to enable multiarch if they want to run either googlearth or skype or many other 3rd party programs. |
| 23:56.36 | woshty | Most apps like skype still have the wrong dependecies set but work fine |
| 23:56.52 | fruitFly | themill: "the developer choose not to do so" which developers? people who use amd64 architecture don't compile 32bit i.e. 1386 apps even though they might be able to? i'm ignorant and a little confused. |
| 23:57.06 | themill | fruitFly: the people who write skype and googleearth |
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| 23:57.18 | maher | fruitFly: don't worry - install amd64 - be happy... |
| 23:57.19 | themill | woshty: there's nothing "wrong" with the dependencies |
| 23:57.24 | fruitFly | themill: ooooh |
| 23:57.27 | themill | larrikin: perhaps you can explain what you're really trying to do here |
| 23:57.54 | fruitFly | maher: i might trying to figure everything out though |
| 23:57.57 | larrikin | themill: which part are you having trouble with ? |
| 23:58.04 | themill | fruitFly: they probably consider it to be too confusing for the users to offer an i386 and an amd64 download. Let's not talk about arm. |
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| 23:58.40 | themill | larrikin: Perhaps you can explain why do you want to limit cpu usage in that way? It would help us understand your problem better. |
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