| 00:00.14 | woshty | themill: my info was outdated, last time not too long ago it depended on ia32libs |
| 00:00.25 | themill | that's not wrong |
| 00:00.36 | fruitFly | themill: johndo so i386 install will allow me to download closed source apps that aren't compile on amd64 which is MANY 3rd party apps? how will i386 install perform versus AMD64 install on this AMD Turion 64 machine? what about i386 with miltarch? this machine is virtually just for webbrowsing and skype, what do you think? |
| 00:00.55 | schreber | well there seems to be a hangup with lxde pulling gnome bluetooth which then pulls a crap load of other gnome3 elements |
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| 00:01.08 | larrikin | themill: so you don't know the answer ? |
| 00:01.14 | themill | ... |
| 00:01.48 | themill | larrikin: there are a lot of different answers depending on why you want to do it. Please stop being difficult. |
| 00:03.00 | somiaj | fruitFly: I'd say install 64bit, and then enable multiarch so you can install skype. |
| 00:03.35 | fruitFly | somiaj: because AMD64 is optimized for this architecture, will it just run more smoothe? |
| 00:03.53 | somiaj | fruitFly: as an end user you most likely won't notice the difference. |
| 00:04.26 | fruitFly | somiaj: so then why enable multiarch instead of downloading i386? |
| 00:05.01 | larrikin | themill: I want to limit a process cpu utilitisation cause it seems like a fun thing to do, I'm thinking I'll go ask elsewhere |
| 00:05.12 | themill | larrikin: that's nice. |
| 00:06.08 | larrikin | themill: you're awesome, have a nice day! |
| 00:06.20 | johndo | fruitFly: I can't speak for "many applications", just check the availability for the applications you want to install (outside of debian applications) |
| 00:06.55 | somiaj | fruitFly: no real reason, that is just my preference. If you have more than 4gigs of ram you need to install a special kernel (which is easy enough) to address it all. Some things work faster in 64 bit (such as music/video encoding) somethings work better in 32bit (can't think of any right now) |
| 00:06.55 | johndo | when they are only available as 32bit applications you either can install a 32bit system or a 64bit system + multiarch to run them |
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| 00:07.11 | themill | dpkg: tell larrikin about search |
| 00:07.13 | johndo | it's your choice |
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| 00:08.27 | fruitFly | somiaj: johndo this machine only has 1.5 GB of ram and will virtually only be used for webbrowsing and skype. how do I tell what app is compiled on AMD64 versus i386? |
| 00:09.03 | somiaj | fruitFly: you are making it way to complicated. Either will work just fine for your needs. 32bit may be slightly easier because you can avoid the whole multiarch issue. |
| 00:09.41 | johndo | he has 1.5 GB of RAM, the minimal speed he may gain by 64bit application probably gets lost by the increased memory footprint of 64bit apps + the double shared libs which are loaded when running 32bit apps |
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| 00:10.15 | fruitFly | will do 32 bit then |
| 00:10.30 | johndo | fruitFly: but as somiaj said, the differences are minimal |
| 00:10.39 | johndo | just a question of taste :) |
| 00:10.41 | fruitFly | what do you think is the best way to make a bootable usb? |
| 00:11.08 | somiaj | fruitFly: do you have a unix like system to make it from. If so all debian iso can be put directly onto a usb to make bootable |
| 00:11.27 | somiaj | fruitFly: if you have to do it from windows, I forget the suggested program, one second |
| 00:11.31 | fruitFly | i'm running linux mint right now |
| 00:11.38 | fruitFly | i'm sure it can be done from command line |
| 00:12.04 | somiaj | fruitFly: 'cp file.iso /dev/sd?' where /dev/sd? is the device of your usb drive, and you are done |
| 00:13.01 | fruitFly | somiaj: cp is? |
| 00:13.13 | somiaj | just make sure you pick your right drive else you will destory the data on the drive you targeted |
| 00:13.26 | johndo | fruitFly: just double check the device name .. |
| 00:13.27 | somiaj | fruitFly: cp is copy, you can also use cat or dd to copy the data right onto the drive directally |
| 00:13.33 | johndo | I'm too slow :) |
| 00:16.35 | fruitFly | somiaj: it's not in dev but in media |
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| 00:17.55 | somiaj | fruitFly: no it is not |
| 00:17.59 | beardtree | Anyone know how to get dpkg to check all packages for conffiles that differ from the package maintainer's version? |
| 00:18.13 | somiaj | fruitFly: /dev/sd? is the actual device, you want to unmount the file system and copy directly to the device (not to the filesystem you have mounted) |
| 00:19.03 | maher | beardtree: can debsums do that? |
| 00:19.33 | somiaj | its done when dpkg upgrades a package, so I'm sure you can triger just that. Not sure if you want to do it via debconf or not |
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| 00:19.42 | beardtree | I found my answer: http://serverfault.com/questions/90400/how-to-check-for-modified-config-files-on-a-debian-system/90401#90401 |
| 00:19.56 | beardtree | Now I need to know how to update conffiles for a package |
| 00:20.05 | slav3_kitten | stupid question. if i connect a bluetooth serial device. where would that show up in the dev list? |
| 00:20.15 | somiaj | beardtree: /msg confmiss (may help you, might be a nice way though) |
| 00:20.27 | somiaj | beardtree: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:20.36 | somiaj | beardtree: though not sure if there is a nicer way |
| 00:20.43 | maher | beardtree: debsums -ce |
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| 00:24.04 | beardtree | somiaj: the aptitude command seems to be missing some conffiles |
| 00:25.17 | fruitFly | somiaj: i did cp and the command ended instantly and it changed the name of the usb but doesn't i can't see anything on the drive, gparted is showing it empty? |
| 00:25.41 | somiaj | fruitFly: what command did you type? |
| 00:25.48 | somiaj | fruitFly: exactlly as you typed it |
| 00:25.53 | fruitFly | actually it seems to be there :)... cp |
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| 00:25.59 | slav3_kitten | nevermind, figured it out |
| 00:26.09 | somiaj | fruitFly: you did not just type cp |
| 00:26.23 | f-a | where do I find the logs for networkmanager and modemmanager? |
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| 00:26.49 | fruitFly | somiaj: johndo ok i want to dual boot this image beside windows xp, can the debian i386 network installer do this autmotaically or do I have to do it manually? |
| 00:27.05 | somiaj | fruitFly: it should detect your windows install and set it up for you |
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| 00:27.58 | beardtree | Hmm |
| 00:28.07 | beardtree | I can't seem to find a command that updates old conffiles |
| 00:28.17 | beardtree | dpkg's command doesn't work here |
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| 00:28.28 | somiaj | where is here? |
| 00:28.44 | beardtree | My VPS |
| 00:28.53 | beardtree | I mean, it works, but it doesn't fix conffiles |
| 00:29.19 | somiaj | beardtree: that factoid I sent you only replaces missing config files |
| 00:29.41 | beardtree | somiaj: doesn't do that either :/ |
| 00:29.46 | somiaj | beardtree: you want to use confnew to use the new matainers config over the current one |
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| 00:30.07 | beardtree | No, I want it to check and ask me YND? |
| 00:30.14 | fruitFly | somiaj: ok thanks :)... and the net install might not contain the wirless driver for the laptop right? and in that case I would have to connect it to ethernet and then manually install it? |
| 00:30.20 | somiaj | beardtree: so confask? |
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| 00:31.32 | somiaj | fruitFly: usually it contains the driver but is missing the firmware |
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| 00:31.44 | somiaj | fruitFly: there is an unoffical (provideb by debian) nonfree installer with firmware |
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| 00:32.06 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 00:32.06 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 00:32.18 | fruitFly | somiaj: may sound stupid but what's the difference between the driver and firmware? |
| 00:33.11 | somiaj | fruitFly: in esssence they have to work together, so you need both. They are just split up becaue the driver is usually free (we have to source code for it) but the driver talks to the non-free firmware which is provided by the card manufacture |
| 00:33.19 | beardtree | somiaj: can I use confask with apt-get? |
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| 00:33.26 | somiaj | beardtree: these are dpkg options |
| 00:33.43 | somiaj | beardtree: man dpkg, search for confmiss, confnew, confodd, confask |
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| 00:34.46 | beardtree | somiaj: I don't know how to reinstall a package via dpkg :/ |
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| 00:35.53 | fruitFly | somiaj: so the installer has the driver but needs the firmware? so will the wireless not work? and does the dualboot automatically create a SWAP partition too? |
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| 00:37.11 | somiaj | fruitFly: the installer will ask you questions about swap and the like |
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| 00:37.40 | fruitFly | somiaj: will the wirless work though? or do I have to connect it to ethernet and manually download the firmware for WLAN card? |
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| 00:39.54 | woshty | Can I tell autofs to not set the dir 755 and change it to root:root? |
| 00:40.57 | johndo | fruitFly: try it out :) nobody here probably have exactly the same laptop model to know the answer for sure |
| 00:41.40 | johndo | and debian probably will detect your windows system and will install a dual boot system, but there's no guaranty |
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| 00:42.09 | johndo | so you of course should make a backup if there's anything on that laptop you don't want to lose before you start the installation |
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| 00:44.58 | fruitFly | johndo: so it just only dual boots some of the time? |
| 00:45.17 | beardtree | How do I install a package so as to ask me about differing conffiles? |
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| 00:46.48 | johndo | fruitFly: no, when it has detect it correctly dual boot will always work |
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| 00:50.07 | johndo | beardtree: it depends on the package, you can try dpkg-reconfigure or (when the package does not have dependencies) purge it and (re-)install it |
| 00:51.10 | cafuego | fruitFly: The dual boot is easy enough to add after the fact. The main trick is to NOT choose "Erase harddisk and use all free space for Linux" at install time. |
| 00:52.02 | johndo | beardtree: some packages also have copies/examples of ther config files under /usr/share/doc/packagename/... |
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| 00:55.08 | anton02 | How do you stop Gnome from crashing in wheezy? |
| 00:55.44 | anton02 | mouse/keyboard input stop working and i have to altctrlf1 killall Xorg |
| 00:56.03 | anton02 | gnome is still running though |
| 00:56.18 | beardtree | johndo: no these ones :( |
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| 00:56.20 | beardtree | *not |
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| 00:57.46 | anton02 | gnome can sometimes work for hours though. it's usually after first boot that it will crash in the first 30 mins of use. then i killall xorg and login again then it stops crashing. |
| 00:58.28 | james41382 | Gnome doesn't crash on my system.. |
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| 00:59.11 | james41382 | Well let me rephrase.. in the beginning it froze a few times, but it hasn't in at least a month or maybe two. |
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| 00:59.34 | anton02 | if i switch terminals while gnome is crashed then come back to the gnome terminal, the screen will be black with a fuzzy grey rectangle of pixels where the mouse was |
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| 01:00.11 | james41382 | Wierd my experience was it would just simply freeze. I could no longer move the mouse or use keyboard shortcuts to navigate. |
| 01:00.37 | anton02 | yes thats what happens to me too |
| 01:01.11 | anton02 | Is there a filed bug report |
| 01:01.16 | james41382 | Have you installed all the updates? I feel like, for me at least, it may have been fixed in an update as it no longer seems to be a problem on this system. |
| 01:01.36 | anton02 | Yes system is fully updated |
| 01:03.04 | james41382 | anton02: I don't know.. sorry. Maybe check out the forums. Or if no one is around here, check out irc.debian.org #debian or #debian-gnome. I have received help at #debian-gnome a few times... |
| 01:03.18 | anton02 | ok |
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| 01:15.16 | cyclick | If I connect my debian laptop to my TV using HDMI, all I see on the TV is the desktop wallpaper and nothing else, sound is not transmitted either... what do I need to do to fix this? |
| 01:15.44 | cafuego | cyclick: I expect that the tv is detected as the second screen |
| 01:16.01 | cafuego | You'll want to change the display prefs and enable mirroring. |
| 01:16.25 | cyclick | thanks cafuego, I will try that |
| 01:16.31 | cafuego | As for sound, I had to open amixer and change the default output |
| 01:16.36 | cyclick | ok |
| 01:16.38 | cafuego | alsamixer, even |
| 01:16.48 | cafuego | and unmute it after switching :-) |
| 01:18.42 | cyclick | great, mirror displays worked, now the sound ;) |
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| 01:21.14 | NoSu010 | does anyone know if its possible to push all the data in an LVM drive setup to one drive so you could remove a drive from the pool |
| 01:22.19 | NoSu010 | say if you have like 4 drives 250GiB @ 1TiB but you are only using 200GiB |
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| 01:23.09 | NoSu010 | now you want to remove a 250GiB drive from the pool so it would only be 750GiB and retain the 200GiB of data without loss from removing the drive |
| 01:23.24 | cafuego | no idea... |
| 01:24.08 | cafuego | Ah, yes |
| 01:24.10 | cafuego | http://ds9a.nl/lvm-howto/HOWTO/cvs/lvm-howto/output/lvm-howto-6.html |
| 01:24.49 | cafuego | protip: run LVM on top of mdraid (NOT RAID 0 EVER) so this isn't an issue. |
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| 01:27.52 | NoSu010 | hmm I'll have a look |
| 01:28.16 | ebot1 | on the debian site i can find all the tftp servers. |
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| 01:28.56 | ebot1 | but it doesnt have any information on how to set them up..im trying to set up 'atftpd' and cant find any relevant information on this .can anyone help |
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| 01:31.35 | ntzrmtthihu777 | heyo! managed to boot an install cd for debian using a grub menuentry, but it can't find the cd I mounted, so I'ma try the live cd. Problem is seems only 7.0 live cds exist, unless I'm just being a derp. |
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| 01:33.28 | ntzrmtthihu777 | iirc, debian uses "rolling updates", so its easier to upgrade than say ubuntu, yeah? (sorry if these are newbie questions, but I've been on *buntu all my linux life [about two years], so I'm not anywhere near an expert for debian XD) |
| 01:34.46 | ebot1 | i mean what is normal approach when trying to find out how to set up debian packages...if debian doesnt seem to know |
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| 01:35.05 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: you mean creating *.deb? |
| 01:35.51 | ebot1 | no i mean if you find a package on the debian website..and you want to know how to use it..but debian doesnt seem to know how to use it |
| 01:35.53 | ebot1 | what do you do |
| 01:36.12 | ebot1 | i could try gentoo..or arch forum ..but they say ..ask in debian |
| 01:36.28 | ebot1 | and debian forum doesnt know. so its a bit of a catch 22 situation |
| 01:37.11 | ebot1 | the archlinux guys know...and the gentoo guys know..but they refuse to answer debian stuff |
| 01:37.17 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: what package? |
| 01:37.18 | ebot1 | and the debian guys dont know |
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| 01:37.25 | ebot1 | atftp server |
| 01:37.35 | ebot1 | ive looked all over the debian websites |
| 01:38.09 | virtualbox | Hello, I am running virtualbox, but I am not able to start my windows 7 session because it is "locked". I am not given the option to delete it either. What can I do? |
| 01:38.13 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ebot1: most packages are standard across the board, so if you find a guide to use it on another distro wiki/guide, it will likely be the same. |
| 01:38.32 | johndo | ebot1: if you don't need all the options of atftpd you may try tftpd-hpa |
| 01:38.38 | ebot1 | ok ill look on ubuntu..thanks ntzrmtthihu777 |
| 01:38.39 | ntzrmtthihu777 | virtualbox: boot a live cd in said vm, and delete the lockfile? |
| 01:38.50 | ebot1 | no i need all the options johndo |
| 01:38.55 | johndo | it only needs a few options, has a man page and was easy to set up as far as I remember |
| 01:39.02 | virtualbox | ntzrmtthihu777: I can't start the VM it is locked |
| 01:39.27 | ntzrmtthihu777 | so, does a live image for gnome 7.1 exist for debian? |
| 01:39.35 | ebot1 | the tftpd is easy to set up, but i need to set up allowed lists etc. |
| 01:39.42 | dvs | ebot1: If you install a Debian package, there is almost always documentation at /usr/share/doc/<package-name> |
| 01:40.06 | ebot1 | hey ill try that dvs...thats a new one |
| 01:40.14 | virtualbox | ntzrmtthihu777: I am running debian and want to start my windows 7 virtual machine just to be clear |
| 01:40.25 | ntzrmtthihu777 | virtualbox: understood, lol. |
| 01:40.46 | ebot1 | sorry im new to linux and didnt know about that dvs.. ithought it was all in the wiki |
| 01:41.15 | johndo | ebot1: oh, that's indeed the first place to look |
| 01:41.54 | dvs | ebot1: And sometimes there may be a packages called <package-name>-doc |
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| 01:42.21 | ebot1 | great stuff.. i found strange that some things were not documented. |
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| 01:47.02 | cafuego | googles 'magic jack' and decides it's spam. |
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| 01:49.14 | ntzrmtthihu777 | so, no info on a 7.1 live iso? I'm fine with installing 7.0 and upgrading, but I kinda like having my stuff settled from the get-go :P |
| 01:51.38 | qman__ | netinst will install the latest versions regardless |
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| 01:58.12 | LinuxGuy2020 | I just added transmission-daemon to my new server but I keep getting permission issues with the download folder. I set the download folder to "/home/Torrents/". Itll start downloading and get to a few MB and throws the permission error. Im assuming its the ownership of the download folder. Which user or group does it need to belong to? |
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| 01:59.15 | ntzrmtthihu777 | qman__: iso booting from grub2 is giving me issue; would a netinst work better? My understanding of it is it only have the bare minimum to boot and pulls the rest from the net. So, would a netinst need to access its own cd/iso? I don't have a cd/usb stick to ease the install, so I'm using a grub2 menuentry to boot the iso from hdd |
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| 02:00.51 | dvs | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:00.51 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 02:02.28 | ntzrmtthihu777 | dvs: lawl! |
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| 02:04.45 | ntzrmtthihu777 | dvs: but seriously, this is my only option atm XD. Not to mention this machine has no cd/dvd drive (and I gave away my usb dvd drive before I moved) |
| 02:05.51 | psnider85 | You could perhaps will it to install. Stare at the screen long enough. |
| 02:05.54 | dvs | not even a USB drive? |
| 02:07.32 | ntzrmtthihu777 | dvs: 3 of them, but no stick XD |
| 02:08.09 | ntzrmtthihu777 | dell latitude xt2. Hey, give me a break, I'm coming over from the dark side (ubuntu 13.04 XD) |
| 02:08.54 | dvs | dpkg's message stands |
| 02:09.47 | ntzrmtthihu777 | dvs: lol. I love that factoid, its funny as heck XD |
| 02:10.16 | ntzrmtthihu777 | !botsnack |
| 02:10.17 | dpkg | thanks, ntzrmtthihu777 |
| 02:10.37 | ntzrmtthihu777 | damn, lol. ubottu's funnier XD. "yum! er, I mean apt!" |
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| 02:12.54 | Th0masR0ss | !botsnack is yum |
| 02:12.54 | dpkg | Th0masR0ss: thanks |
| 02:13.14 | Th0masR0ss | lol |
| 02:13.20 | dvs | .... |
| 02:13.22 | Th0masR0ss | it's actually a random set of messages |
| 02:13.30 | dvs | !botsnack |
| 02:13.30 | dpkg | aw, gee, dvs |
| 02:13.37 | Th0masR0ss | !botsnack |
| 02:14.01 | Th0masR0ss | <dpkg> botsnack already said that 8 seconds ago |
| 02:14.21 | ntzrmtthihu777 | ah, lol |
| 02:14.35 | dvs | not a glutton I guess |
| 02:14.55 | ntzrmtthihu777 | funny thing, I'm feeding a moogle in ff7 right now :P |
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| 02:22.27 | aznblur | I have NFS shares in my /etc/fstab, however they do not mount on boot unless I invoke 'mount -a'. Looking at /etc/rcS.d, I can see S09mountall.sh, S12networking, S14nfs-common, S15mountnfs... so why aren't they mounting? |
| 02:22.49 | aznblur | I assume there's no need to worry about runlevels if it's being handled in /etc/rcS.d ? |
| 02:26.16 | aznblur | the easiest workaround is to just automate mount -a, but is there a better.. way? |
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| 02:29.34 | zykotick9 | aznblur: ahhh, i certainly don't have that problem (with nfs mounts in fstab)??? |
| 02:29.35 | dvs | aznblur: I have no problems with my nfs mount. |
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| 02:30.03 | aznblur | hmm interesting |
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| 02:31.42 | aznblur | eh, I can't really be bothered to get to the bottom of this, @reboot mount -a in my crontab it is |
| 02:31.43 | aznblur | thanks guys |
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| 03:49.43 | MrHotsauce | so im looking to switch from xubuntu to debian would i have any real issues transiting to debian? |
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| 03:51.41 | somiaj | MrHotsauce: biggest issue people run across is debians idea of stable, and trying to mix things because they want newer versions of software |
| 03:52.02 | somiaj | MrHotsauce: having to enable the non-free repo for firmware for wireless devices and some other cards can complicate the install |
| 03:52.12 | somiaj | nonconvergent: every get the nvidia to work? |
| 03:53.03 | MrHotsauce | ah well im running debian on my netbook to play around with but i was thinking about throwing it on my mail laptop/server computer |
| 03:53.16 | MrHotsauce | main* |
| 03:53.46 | somiaj | MrHotsauce: Getting use to the difference and what is sometimes know as the debian way just takes time, though you may find you like it once you get use to it. (: |
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| 04:01.10 | MrHotsauce__ | so like i was saying i may put it on here i know im sticking with the xfce DE though i just love how simple it is |
| 04:02.06 | somiaj | MrHotsauce__: there is an xfce install cd option you may want, or just use the netinstall and grab only the packages you desire |
| 04:02.16 | MrHotsauce__ | thats what i did on my netbook |
| 04:02.19 | somiaj | MrHotsauce__: if you use wireless, you may just want to get the firmware image and not worry about it |
| 04:02.23 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 04:02.24 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 04:02.48 | MrHotsauce__ | ill run a live iso first to see if my card will work on this lappy |
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| 04:03.10 | MrHotsauce__ | i know it didnt on my netbook i had to share connection with this laptop to do the netinstall |
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| 04:03.46 | somiaj | MrHotsauce__: if you are aready running a linux, just get the info of lspci and look up the chipsets |
| 04:04.06 | somiaj | MrHotsauce__: again if your laptop requires firmware the live images will not have it on there as they don't have the non-free repo enabled by default. |
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| 05:10.00 | cafuego | aypea[1]: is it? |
| 05:10.22 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, I'm trying to get dkim to work, but the damned thing segfaults on start. Does anyone know of a working alternative? |
| 05:10.49 | cafuego | mick_laptop: I've seen dkim segfaults ... are you firewalling on the dkims erver? |
| 05:10.49 | mick_laptop | btw, I followed these instructions: http://linuxaria.com/howto/using-opendkim-to-sign-postfix-mails-on-debian?lang=en |
| 05:11.20 | cafuego | mick_laptop: Specifically, I saw segfaults when dkim couldn't access its DNS servers via tcp |
| 05:11.38 | mick_laptop | cafuego: yes and no. default allow but abuse gets firewalled by an IDS |
| 05:12.33 | cafuego | mick_laptop: I mean outbound for local services |
| 05:12.40 | mick_laptop | cafuego: dns over tcp? |
| 05:12.46 | cafuego | mick_laptop: Yes. |
| 05:13.17 | mick_laptop | in my day dns only went over udp :P |
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| 05:13.44 | cafuego | mick_laptop: a dkim entry (and dnssec) response don't fit in udp, so they gets end via tcp. |
| 05:13.53 | cafuego | sent even |
| 05:14.00 | cafuego | Yes, that got me too. |
| 05:14.11 | mick_laptop | in that case, it isn't being firewalled. Do you know of a way to have it set to print debug messages? |
| 05:14.29 | cafuego | mick_laptop: No... maybe strace it to see if it's a file or lib... |
| 05:14.39 | mick_laptop | it says libc |
| 05:14.48 | mick_laptop | but yeah, good point I'll strace it |
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| 05:19.18 | mick_laptop | I don't see anything weird here: http://pastebin.ca/2443314 |
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| 05:23.24 | mick_laptop | though it does seem to die after read(3, "inet:8891@localhost\n", 128) = 20 |
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| 05:24.47 | mick_laptop | cafuego: do you think that it could be doing this because the dns hasn't propogated yet? |
| 05:25.22 | cafuego | mick_laptop: Bit rude to segfault if you don't get the network resposne you like.. |
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| 05:28.43 | mick_laptop | I'll admit that it makes me question the whole thing :) |
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| 05:31.32 | mick_laptop | this is from syslog: kernel: [634477.989005] opendkim[16642]: segfault at 1fdcd1e10 ip 00007f61ff96144a sp 00007ffffdcc0368 error 4 in libc-2.11.3.so[7f61ff8e7000+159000] |
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| 05:32.28 | adh0c | Can anyone help with a mod_rewrite rule? I'm trying to set a wildcard to capture the subdomain for incoming requests from one domain and redirect them to the respective subdomain on the second. |
| 05:34.23 | adh0c | Unfortunately my backreference does not seem to be corrent, because I only get the new domain with no subdomain - yet still the leading period, which returns an error in a browser. |
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| 05:46.43 | mick_laptop | brb |
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| 05:56.55 | ebot1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.22 | somiaj | ebot1: do you mind non-free adobe? |
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| 05:57.37 | ebot1 | non free is fine |
| 05:57.38 | somiaj | gnash I belive only plays some flash files |
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| 05:58.16 | somiaj | ebot1: debian provides a 'flashplugin-nonfree' script in the 'contrib' repo that will downlaod and install the current adobe flash |
| 05:58.44 | somiaj | so if you have contrib in your sources.list, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:58.52 | mick_laptop | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Installation |
| 05:59.01 | ebot1 | oh i got that one also |
| 05:59.04 | ebot1 | doesnt seem to work |
| 05:59.40 | ebot1 | i was looking at something called lightspark.. but it says its experimental . and im not even sure if it does what i want |
| 05:59.40 | somiaj | ebot1: are you trying to play a file or a webpage? |
| 05:59.42 | mick_laptop | did you restart your browser? |
| 05:59.50 | ebot1 | a webpage |
| 06:00.03 | mick_laptop | also, is it listed under about:plugins ?? |
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| 06:00.37 | ebot1 | sorry it works |
| 06:00.43 | ebot1 | i had to log out of the browser |
| 06:00.50 | ebot1 | thanks somiaj |
| 06:00.52 | somiaj | ebot1: yea you have to restart to get the newplugins to load |
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| 06:07.05 | mick_laptop | ebot1: out of curiosity, what do you use flash for? I haven't come across something where I've needed flash in quite a while |
| 06:08.03 | mick_laptop | actually, youtube - I forgot that not all of what they have is html5 yet |
| 06:08.16 | ebot1 | i think i was mistaken...it wasnt flash i needed |
| 06:08.22 | ebot1 | mick_laptop |
| 06:08.24 | mick_laptop | silverlight? |
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| 06:08.37 | somiaj | mick_laptop: I tend to like silly flash animiantion and think most of that isn't html5 yet |
| 06:08.46 | ebot1 | it was swf |
| 06:08.54 | mick_laptop | swf == flash |
| 06:09.06 | ebot1 | ha ha ...shows how much i know |
| 06:11.20 | ebot1 | in fact im not sure maybe i need mp4 |
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| 06:11.42 | mick_laptop | ebot1: what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:11.52 | ebot1 | im building a website |
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| 06:12.04 | ebot1 | and i have a demo video i need to embed |
| 06:12.33 | ebot1 | but i can have it in any format..and not sure what is best..and then getting it to play seemed difficult |
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| 06:13.29 | ebot1 | maybe ill skip the video and just use a picture |
| 06:14.52 | ebot1 | cause right now its a bit of a nightmare...im trying to learn html... dreamweaver ..photoshop and to also get good site functionality with like toggling of menus and the like for small screens |
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| 06:20.22 | mick_laptop | ebot1: is this for a class thing? or are you learning to do this as a career? |
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| 06:21.05 | ebot1 | its a project..for career im intersted in networks and systems admin...thats why im learning linux and a bit of netowrking |
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| 06:21.46 | ebot1 | i have to complete the project because its awesome and may actually be successful...but even if it is ..my heart is with linux and networking |
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| 06:23.09 | ebot1 | its just a pain having to learn all this stuff to pull the project off....as im not really interested in web design at all ..not in the slightest...i would rather write a bash script or battle with some linux fundamentals any day |
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| 06:23.46 | mick_laptop | ok, then just stick an image in there |
| 06:23.54 | ebot1 | i have 12 weeks to complete it and get it out |
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| 06:24.06 | mick_laptop | <img src="path/to/image"/> |
| 06:24.14 | mick_laptop | plenty of time |
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| 06:24.38 | mick_laptop | or just use some youtube video (and look under "embed video") and copy and paste |
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| 06:24.55 | ebot1 | ha your an expert |
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| 06:25.13 | ebot1 | are you a web developer mick_laptop |
| 06:25.13 | mick_laptop | you're* |
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| 06:26.28 | ebot1 | ive been watching some vidoes on it....and the top guys seem to just use a notepad editor for most of the html and css .they dont use this fancy dreamweaver stuff |
| 06:26.29 | mick_laptop | Technically speaking, I got a degree in it. This was back when you could get a degree in it. :P |
| 06:26.38 | ebot1 | wow |
| 06:27.17 | mick_laptop | I don't do web development that much anymore though. |
| 06:27.31 | ebot1 | what do you do |
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| 06:28.23 | mick_laptop | I'm somewhere between a *nix admin, netsec guy and developer. |
| 06:28.46 | ebot1 | thats pretty much exactly what i where i would like to be |
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| 06:29.31 | mick_laptop | ebot1: are you in high school or college? |
| 06:29.59 | ebot1 | im neither...i am bascially an entrepreneur..with no money |
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| 06:30.27 | mick_laptop | time to look for a job ;) |
| 06:30.40 | ebot1 | i have had a few businesses that didnt do too well...and my next project is the web site |
| 06:30.54 | ebot1 | but whilst doing it im learning networks and linux admin |
| 06:31.00 | mick_laptop | see my last comment :) |
| 06:31.20 | ebot1 | but i have got a long way to go with linux...yes i think ill try and secure a junior linux admin role |
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| 06:32.13 | ebot1 | only thing is ..once you work for yourself its very difficult to take a job. |
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| 06:32.46 | mick_laptop | ebot1: not at all |
| 06:32.50 | mick_laptop | less work |
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| 06:33.45 | ebot1 | yes its less work, but i generally have dreams on a large scale ..a scale that would be hard to achieve in a job..unless your a stock broker |
| 06:34.16 | ebot1 | i feel limited in a job. |
| 06:35.19 | ebot1 | but i would take a job..not for money ..just for personal interest |
| 06:35.25 | sonnie | hi there,I'm using jessie. When I tries to apt-get, perl breaks. How to fix it? |
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| 06:36.24 | sonnie | now perl has been removed and can't be reinstalled. debconf & man-db can't be reconfigured. |
| 06:37.24 | mick_laptop | ebot1: 1) get a stable job with a steady income 2) work nights and weekends on your dream 3) profit |
| 06:37.33 | themill | sonnie: sure you're not trying to run a mixture of jessie and sid? |
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| 06:37.39 | mick_laptop | and http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling |
| 06:37.50 | ebot1 | that sounds like a good plan mick |
| 06:37.58 | themill | sonnie: also "apt-get" is an action. Full commands and full output in a pastebin is preferred |
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| 06:39.03 | sonnie | themill, my sources.list contains sid, jessie-proposed-updates, squeeze-backports, jessie/updates .. |
| 06:39.55 | themill | you shouldn't install stuff out of jessie-proposed-updates unless you know why it's there and what you're doing with it |
| 06:41.07 | ebot1 | but the immediate plan is ccna, website, rhce.....i completed ccna last week, now website, and then maybe while doing rhce...ill look for a job |
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| 06:41.20 | Nik05 | !offtopic |
| 06:41.20 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 06:41.49 | sonnie | themill, so I should remove jessie-propostd-updates, right? what's next? |
| 06:41.59 | ebot1 | sorry dpkg it was quiet so i had a conversation..my appologies |
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| 06:43.04 | themill | sonnie: yes and the apt-get update. What to do next depends on what the current state of the box is. What does "aptitude install perl" want to do |
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| 06:48.04 | sonnie | themill, I'm unconvenient to use pastbin right now, so I right here. "aptitude install perl" wants to: install perl, upgrade perl-modules, configure debconf. lots of perl modules have unmet dependencies, which causes many packages to be removed. then it tries to configure debconf and fails: Cant load '............Utils.so' for module List:Util ....... undefined symbol ... XSLoader.pm... Compilation failed. |
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| 06:51.13 | themill | that's pretty unhelpful. All that tells me is that you have a mixture of different perl and perl libraries there. |
| 06:51.21 | themill | And I already knew that. |
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| 06:51.37 | themill | dpkg: tell sonnie about partial downgrade |
| 06:52.05 | sonnie | ok i will try partial downgrade, thanks. |
| 06:52.27 | themill | or if that doesn't work, add sid your sources.list, install perl debconf man-db (and perhaps the kernel if you managed to uninstall that too) |
| 06:53.00 | themill | then remove sid from your sources.list... and don't try installing anything that requires perl modules for a week or so until the new version of perl migrates |
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| 07:09.04 | deego | I am running testing on one of my machines. Is it dangerous to modify my unattended upgrades to allow updates from testing as well? Currently, it seems to do nothing, because the "allowed origins" are stable and security. |
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| 07:18.37 | deego | (2) There used to be a squeeze-updates. Is there such a thing as wheezy-updates? |
| 07:18.51 | deego | (for volatile packages.{ |
| 07:18.53 | deego | ) |
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| 07:19.57 | deego | Ah, I was confused - that actually worked. Sorry for the noise. |
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| 07:20.06 | jelly-home | deego: it is perhaps not the best idea to upgrade testing automatically |
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| 07:21.24 | jelly-home | unattended-upgrades are really meant to be run on a more quiet release like debian stable or ubuntu lts, and even then one ought to run them in a test environment first |
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| 07:24.12 | deego | jelly-home: True, thanks. |
| 07:24.26 | txomon|fon | hi, my debian crashes very frequently |
| 07:24.36 | txomon|fon | most of times, when using chromium |
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| 07:25.26 | deego | I had a testing machine. Should have stayed with the now-stable wheezie when it was released. Unfortunately, I left "testing" in sources.list... Now downgrading 500 pkges via pinning. (fingers crossed.) |
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| 07:25.55 | deego | txomon|fon: wdym debian crashes? Do you see a kernel panic? |
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| 07:26.10 | txomon|fon | deego, yeah, sometimes |
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| 07:26.38 | txomon|fon | others, X just freeze completelly and I can't get the system respond neither with sysrq nor ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 07:26.43 | txomon|fon | no idea on what is happening |
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| 07:27.15 | deego | txomon|fon: No clue here. Curious what graphics drivers you are using. |
| 07:27.25 | txomon|fon | integrated ones |
| 07:27.33 | txomon|fon | I think its intel mobility |
| 07:27.43 | apollo13 | hi, synaptic has a handy view which lists local packages, is there a way to get that info via apt-get? |
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| 07:28.16 | txomon|fon | apollo13, I think via dpkg |
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| 07:28.47 | deego | txomon|fon: so, is this a stock debian system, with graphics drivers from "main"? And using the built-in chromium? |
| 07:29.21 | txomon|fon | yep |
| 07:29.28 | apollo13 | txomon|fon: thx, looking; you don't happen to know which params I presume :) |
| 07:30.07 | deego | apollo13: apt-show-versions | grep -i "unavailable" ? |
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| 07:30.57 | txomon|fon | I have stuff reported in #714053 |
| 07:31.01 | txomon|fon | with screenshots |
| 07:31.21 | apollo13 | deego: ah neat |
| 07:31.37 | zeev234 | Hi, I'm on wheezy and I don't have /etc/dconf folder. what's up with it? |
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| 07:32.12 | apollo13 | deego: although that lists nothing locally, gotta doublecheck |
| 07:32.17 | deego | apollo13: s/unavailable/available: The full phrase goes something like "No available version in the archive.." |
| 07:32.38 | apollo13 | deego: oh right, thx |
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| 07:32.58 | zeev234 | Hi, I'm on wheezy and I don't have /etc/dconf folder. - Do I have to create it manualy? |
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| 07:33.02 | apollo13 | "No available version in archive" |
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| 07:46.17 | rookie | hello, if this question is better be asked in a different channel, I would appreciate if you could push me in the right direction |
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| 07:46.49 | rookie | first of all, im not "the admin" but I'll try to provide you with every info i got |
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| 07:48.43 | rookie | we are running a website on debian with fpm-fcgi php 5.3.25-1~dotdeb.0 on Apache/2.2.16 |
| 07:49.11 | rookie | though max_execution_time is set to 180 every php script that runs returns a 500 internal server error after 30 seconds |
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| 07:49.38 | rookie | I've talked over an hour with the server admin but he said that he couldnt find any solution to this |
| 07:49.46 | jelly-home | !dotdeb |
| 07:49.46 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 07:51.00 | rookie | so you would say this is dotdeb related? |
| 07:51.24 | jelly-home | rookie: it's hard to say, but their packages and their behaviour is an unknown. Have you tried setting up a test environment with current release of debian? |
| 07:51.58 | jelly-home | php 5.3 and apache 2.2.16 sounds like Debian 6, "squeeze", the previous release |
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| 07:52.45 | rookie | no, we cannot test this on our own, I guess but, you may be right about the debian 5 squeeze |
| 07:52.58 | jwilliams1 | I click a pdf downloaded by chromium, but it opens by gimp. Searching by google, it shows that i can use xdg-mime (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open). but i don't know what value i should place for replacing xpdf.desktop in command `xdg-mime default xpdf.desktop application/pdf` |
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| 07:53.16 | jwilliams1 | because i don't use gnome, kde, etc. |
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| 07:53.38 | rookie | the admin told me on the phone that they will just provide the packages which are stable and supported by debian |
| 07:53.39 | jwilliams1 | i use wmii and slim for my working environment. |
| 07:54.07 | rookie | excude me if I might sound "noobish" - I am "just" a rookie developer |
| 07:54.35 | jelly-home | rookie: that might mean an upgrade to debian 7 and its php5-fpm 5.4.4-ish |
| 07:55.04 | jelly-home | however dotdeb is not part of debian, they're maintained by a third party |
| 07:55.58 | rookie | I will have a more detailed look there. Thank you very much for your help so far |
| 07:56.02 | jelly-home | this sounds more like a configuration error somewhere though |
| 07:56.48 | rookie | I think so too, but if the company who provides the servers are not able to find out whats going on ... a bit sad. |
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| 08:01.26 | splynt | hey guys |
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| 08:02.13 | splynt | anyone else using irsii? |
| 08:02.25 | splynt | im not entirely sure i can see people talking |
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| 08:05.46 | milligan | Hey. I was messing about with some debian based OS that runs on a tiny SD card. I tried moving /usr to a new partition and adding the required entries to /etc/fstab, etc. However, when booting I got an error, something like "usr/bin/chroot not found" or something like that. Do I have to edit grub or something to tell it that /usr is moved ? |
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| 08:06.03 | milligan | (moving /home and /var worked like a charm) |
| 08:06.15 | splynt_ | let me know if you can see this splynt |
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| 08:06.24 | splynt | yes |
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| 08:07.21 | splynt | im glad everything worked out for you milligan |
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| 08:15.49 | Kenran | Hey! I'm going to try and install Debian now soon. Two questions remain: |
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| 08:17.07 | Kenran | I have 50GB of space planned for Debian. Should I just do everything on that one partition, or is a separate /boot advisable (how big should it be then?)? |
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| 08:17.34 | anonnumberanon | no |
| 08:17.56 | anonnumberanon | a separate /jome is nice |
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| 08:18.05 | anonnumberanon | for when you will break your OS |
| 08:18.09 | anonnumberanon | :) |
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| 08:18.43 | Kenran | And I usually boot Win7 on this PC: will Debian determine that when installing GRUB or such? I also wonder if I should "change" the bootable flag to a linux partition (it's currently on a 100MB one it seems) |
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| 08:20.40 | Kenran | anonnumberanon, so the 'no' was to the 2nd part of the question (the separate /boot)? |
| 08:20.47 | txomon|fon | you can always go for UEFI |
| 08:21.55 | anonnumberanon | yeah |
| 08:22.11 | txomon|fon | Kenran, separate /home and / |
| 08:22.21 | txomon|fon | the rest is up to you |
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| 08:23.21 | Kenran | how much does / need in Debian usually? |
| 08:23.32 | Kenran | 15GB should be enough, right? |
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| 08:24.03 | milligan | splynt, huh? :P |
| 08:24.11 | splynt_ | yes? |
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| 08:24.34 | milligan | splynt, "im glad everything worked out for you milligan" ? |
| 08:24.45 | splynt_ | i have no idea why i said that |
| 08:24.46 | splynt_ | lol |
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| 08:25.04 | splynt_ | its pretty late over here |
| 08:25.10 | splynt_ | i might be hallucinating |
| 08:25.16 | milligan | Fair enough :) |
| 08:25.25 | txomon|fon | Kenran, depends on what you do |
| 08:26.02 | txomon|fon | if you are going to develop android i.e., and you do installations on /usr/local, then you need 20/25 |
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| 08:26.16 | txomon|fon | I usually do system wide installatios |
| 08:26.19 | txomon|fon | installations* |
| 08:26.30 | txomon|fon | so I put 30GB |
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| 08:26.58 | anonnumberanon | Put 10 GB just to be safe. |
| 08:27.18 | txomon|fon | anonnumberanon, it would be 15 at least to be safe |
| 08:27.36 | txomon|fon | if you install just 4 programs, it would be 7GB |
| 08:27.39 | anonnumberanon | yeah better be safe |
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| 08:28.27 | Kenran | I'm just going to learn OpenGL programming a bit |
| 08:28.28 | txomon|fon | is there any recommended method to resize partitions without having to boot ubuntu? |
| 08:28.43 | txomon|fon | Kenran, you will end up using much more than just opengl |
| 08:28.50 | txomon|fon | I would put 20 |
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| 08:29.09 | txomon|fon | for 5 GB less in your home, you wont suffer that much |
| 08:29.21 | txomon|fon | if you run out of space in /... infinite pain |
| 08:29.22 | Kenran | okay thanks, I think that's right. My /home won't need much space |
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| 08:29.57 | txomon|fon | the worst is when you have just 500MB and an update crashes your sys |
| 08:30.03 | txomon|fon | system* |
| 08:30.13 | Kenran | I just read that Debian should detect the existing Win7 without any problem |
| 08:30.18 | txomon|fon | yeah |
| 08:30.40 | anonnumberanon | Debian no, Grub though. |
| 08:30.54 | Kenran | but what about the bootable flag? Does it matter? Right now it shows me a 100MB partition (I think it was NTFS) to be bootable |
| 08:30.57 | anonnumberanon | Grub or Lilo. |
| 08:31.02 | Kenran | should I change that or just leave it as it is? |
| 08:31.11 | anonnumberanon | Leave it. |
| 08:31.12 | txomon|fon | leave it like that |
| 08:31.19 | txomon|fon | grub will know what to do |
| 08:31.22 | Kenran | okay, then I'm gone now :-) |
| 08:31.28 | Kenran | thanks for the advice, wish me luck^^ |
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| 08:31.34 | txomon|fon | remember |
| 08:31.35 | anonnumberanon | glhf |
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| 08:31.44 | txomon|fon | the least you touch of the options in the debian installer |
| 08:31.57 | txomon|fon | more probability you have to succeed |
| 08:32.03 | Kenran | :D okay |
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| 08:38.16 | splynt | dang irssi is kind of a pain to config |
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| 08:39.43 | splynt | i should prob get some sleep |
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| 08:48.18 | anton02 | how do you pass stdin to a program via < FILE and have the input be provided for a 2nd prompt within the program and not just the 1st prompt? |
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| 08:52.44 | tralala | anton02, you can't. You have to use something like expect |
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| 08:58.09 | mick_laptop | I think you can hack something together w/ socat |
| 08:58.50 | mick_laptop | if you don't feel like using another programming language like tcl/expect, perl or ruby |
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| 09:01.24 | mick_laptop | or python for that matter |
| 09:02.52 | CissWit | anonnumberanon: cat FILE - | ./program |
| 09:03.01 | CissWit | oups |
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| 09:03.11 | CissWit | sorry anonnumberanon, anton02 left |
| 09:03.19 | madrat | the "mail" program is part of what package? |
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| 09:03.26 | mick_laptop | and I talked w/ myself |
| 09:03.33 | mick_laptop | I guess I missed that |
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| 09:03.46 | madrat | the "mail" program is part of what package? |
| 09:04.20 | CissWit | madrat: here, bsd-mailx. |
| 09:04.53 | madrat | CissWit, how did you tell that? |
| 09:04.53 | CissWit | but mail is a symbolic link, so i guess there are other packages that provides it |
| 09:04.55 | mick_laptop | madrat: in the future, use apt-file |
| 09:05.31 | mick_laptop | damn I'm tired. night everyone |
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| 09:05.54 | Micha_Btz_ | hi there |
| 09:06.17 | Micha_Btz_ | i have problems too understand git-buildpackage |
| 09:06.52 | madrat | CissWit, how can I attach files with mail? |
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| 09:08.24 | Micha_Btz_ | after i have imported a new upstreamversion, how i must gbp tell to build the new version? i have changed the debian/changelog file. but it says gbp:error: Version 1.6.0-1 not found |
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| 09:09.13 | Micha_Btz_ | https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit#Upgrading_to_new_upstream_version this tells only how i have to import the new version, but not what i have to do next |
| 09:10.14 | CissWit | madrat: i don't know |
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| 09:17.59 | ksk | hey guys. i create an empty directory like (/fusel/bla/directory - where /fusel/bla is a mountpoint where no other package-stuff is in) with a debian-package using "dirs" - the thing is on package removal dpkg/apt wants to remove /fusel/bla completly (guess because there are no packages left) - but i dont kinda want that - any idea around that? |
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| 09:22.38 | Kenran | Hey guys, the installation worked perfectly! :) |
| 09:22.42 | Kenran | thanks for your help so far |
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| 09:23.23 | Kenran | I just have one strange thing which I don't know how to fix: I use two monitors and right now everything is happening on both at once, and the resolution seems to be that of the 1600x900 one |
| 09:24.08 | ksk | Kenran: take a look at xrandr |
| 09:24.23 | Kenran | but I want to use a regular dual monitor setting (no need to have the same stuff on both ;)) and with different resolutions. Is this possible? |
| 09:24.26 | Kenran | ksk: okay! |
| 09:24.49 | ksk | i use something like "xrandr --output HDMI1 --left-of VGA1" in my desktops "autostart" file |
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| 09:25.07 | Kenran | oh, one thing I forgot to mention: I use the XFCE version of Debian |
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| 09:28.00 | musca | Kenran: just run xrandr without options to see the identifiers of your monitors |
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| 09:29.17 | Kenran | musca: I now found DVI-I-1 and DVI-I-2 connected on Screen 0 |
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| 09:32.00 | musca | Kenran: now form a command with these identifiers as ksk showed in his example |
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| 09:32.33 | Kenran | musca: currently trying to do this, thanks :) |
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| 09:36.13 | Kenran | musca: I got it to work so far, but is it even possible to specify different resolutions for the two monitors? |
| 09:36.43 | Kenran | if I use xfce4-display-settings -m and set it to only use the bigger monitor, it uses the correct higher resolution, but then I can't use xrandr anymore |
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| 09:38.30 | ksk | xrandr can set resulution, too, iirc |
| 09:38.35 | ksk | see "man xrandr" ;) |
| 09:38.55 | Kenran | ksk: I just found out that I can specify resolutions via the XFCE settings manager. So much new stuff for me :D |
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| 09:39.32 | Kenran | gonna restart X and then I have to go for the week-end anyway, time to continue on monday :) |
| 09:39.35 | Kenran | thansk for your help |
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| 09:43.54 | bullgard4 | How can I find out what DEB program package installs the ip-up.d directory? |
| 09:44.02 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] |
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| 09:47.33 | ksk | bullgard4: dpkg -S $directory |
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| 09:47.46 | ChrisH | bullgard4: I would try dpkg -S $DIR ; or apt-file serach $DIR |
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| 09:57.19 | PiyushB | is there any tool available to visualise and map and interconnect the data for graph search (like google or facebook graph) |
| 10:00.13 | bullgard4 | ksk: This worked. -- Thank you for your help. |
| 10:02.10 | babilen | PiyushB: Plenty, dot comes to mind. I used python-igraph for an involved problem in the past. (cf. http://hal.elte.hu/~nepusz/development/igraph/tutorial/tutorial.html#layouts-and-plotting ) -- You asked a *very* complicated question and it really depends on what you really want to do. I also doubt that #debian is the right/best channel for this question, but ... |
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| 10:04.12 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: Both commands work.-- Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 10:06.31 | PiyushB | babilen: thanks for link. I am searching a tool in which i can update day to day "information", interlink them and visualize for better understanding. |
| 10:06.53 | PiyushB | i had used such tool in past, unfortunately dont remember the name. |
| 10:07.34 | babilen | PiyushB: Are you looking for mindmapping software? |
| 10:07.48 | PiyushB | Now with usually called graph search, if any tool is in development |
| 10:08.22 | PiyushB | yes mind mapping with with that graph thingy for mapping |
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| 10:10.03 | babilen | PiyushB: I would actually recommend to take this question to one of our offtopic channels (#debian-offtopic here *and* on irc.oftc.net) - Your requirements are pretty fuzzy and I can't really think of a suitable tool. |
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| 10:10.51 | bhuddah | maybe use a wiki |
| 10:10.58 | PiyushB | babilen: yes, sorry for being off-topics here. |
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| 10:13.32 | karimb | PiyushB, freemind ? |
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| 10:18.51 | PiyushB | karimb: yes freemind is sleek, But it lacks hyperlink functionality. |
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| 10:30.24 | mowgl3y | Hello guys. I can't get to enable my wireless interface. i have tried rfkill but still it wont enable. |
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| 10:31.13 | mowgl3y | it was working fine. i had kde networkmanager installed and then i installed wicd which seem fucked everything up |
| 10:31.20 | cpm___ | Hello. Anybody knows why gadmin-dhcpd is not available in wheezy? URL about this? |
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| 10:33.42 | rkhshm | after my recent upgrade to debian 7 i noticed that youtube videos begin to have a jittery play |
| 10:33.58 | rkhshm | are there any graphics drivers that i need to install or something like that? |
| 10:34.00 | babilen | mowgl3y: Well, why don't you revert that change to begin with? |
| 10:34.24 | mowgl3y | babilen: i did. i have removed wicd |
| 10:34.41 | mowgl3y | babilen: but still my wireless wont work. |
| 10:34.44 | babilen | mowgl3y: How? Is network-manager installed again? |
| 10:35.27 | cpm___ | is 'apt-cache search gadmin-dhcpd' giving result to you? |
| 10:35.39 | mowgl3y | babilen: network manager was installed with KDE. i didnt do it separately. |
| 10:36.15 | mowgl3y | babilen: i installed wicd which caused by wireless to be disabled by hardware. |
| 10:36.32 | mowgl3y | babilen: so i removed wicd and now it wont enable it. |
| 10:38.00 | babilen | mowgl3y: How did you remove it? Could you paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net ? Please also include the output of "rfkill list", "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig", 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*network-manager*"' and your /var/log/daemon.log |
| 10:38.17 | cpm___ | The package gadmin-dhcpd was in squeeze, what is the way to understand why it is not in wheezy? |
| 10:38.27 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok i will do it. |
| 10:38.42 | mowgl3y | babilen: i removed it with kde apper. |
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| 10:39.42 | babilen | mowgl3y: Okay, in that case please include the output of "aptitude search ~c" too. Why did you install wicd? |
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| 10:40.21 | mowgl3y | babilen: i wanted to try out openbox. and network manager wont work with it. thats why i went for wicd. |
| 10:41.31 | babilen | Why wouldn't it? Does openbox not have a panel? (I use network-manager just fine on awesomewm) |
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| 10:42.34 | mowgl3y | babilen:i had network manager for kde installed |
| 10:43.03 | babilen | mowgl3y: The nm-applet that comes with network-manager-gnome should work fine if you have a panel/system tray. |
| 10:43.05 | mowgl3y | babilen: i checked with debian wiki and it said it only works with kde. |
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| 10:43.45 | mowgl3y | babilen: ya see. i dont have network-maanger-gnome |
| 10:44.26 | babilen | Well, nobody would prevent you from installing it. Either way, please provide the requested information. You might have to paste the log files own their own as they might be rather large. |
| 10:44.48 | mowgl3y | ya i am doing it. |
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| 10:45.29 | mowgl3y | babilen: now i cant install it because there is no access to internet on the machine. i am on a different machine now. |
| 10:45.32 | babilen | mowgl3y: Oh, and throw in "pgrep -a network" and "pgrep -a wicd" please. |
| 10:45.41 | mowgl3y | babilen: ok |
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| 10:51.12 | babilen | mowgl3y: You might also want to *try* running "aptitude purge ~c" and "apt-get --reinstall install network-manager-kde" if you find it very tricky to acquire the requested information. If you haven't rebooted in the meanwhile you can run "service network-manager restart" which might be what is needed. I can't really help without additional information though and this is just stabbing in the dark. |
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| 10:51.53 | mowgl3y | ok i will thanks |
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| 11:03.20 | jsaak | i want to reopen a closed bug, i have a temporary fix too, can someone pls help me with that? |
| 11:03.34 | jsaak | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684150 |
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| 11:06.39 | mowgl3y | will moving from stable to testing upgrade my kernel? |
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| 11:07.33 | eeelumbella | mowgl3y: most certainly, yes |
| 11:07.57 | mowgl3y | thanks |
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| 11:10.59 | babilen | mowgl3y: Did you manage to get network-manager working again? |
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| 11:13.13 | mowgl3y | babilen: i cant for the life of me. i tried reinstalling but still no. |
| 11:13.26 | mowgl3y | babilen: so i thought of doing a kernel upgrade |
| 11:13.32 | mowgl3y | :S |
| 11:13.33 | babilen | mowgl3y: Did you run the commands I told you about? |
| 11:13.47 | mowgl3y | babilen: ya i did |
| 11:13.54 | babilen | mowgl3y: A kernel upgrade won't help at all. Is it that hard to get that output on a pastebin? |
| 11:14.10 | mowgl3y | babilen: yes i dont have internet on that machine |
| 11:14.21 | babilen | No USB stick? |
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| 11:14.37 | mowgl3y | how long are you going to be here? |
| 11:14.46 | babilen | couple of years at least |
| 11:15.11 | mowgl3y | :p ok give me like 1 hour or so. ill get you the outputs. |
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| 11:17.18 | babilen | It's okay ... Just to verify: 1. You did run "aptitude purge wicd" and "aptitude purge ~c" ? 2. You also ran "apt-get --reinstall install network-manager-kde" ? 3. Could you run "apt-get --reinstall install network-manager" followed by "service network-manager restart" ? |
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| 11:18.54 | babilen | mowgl3y_: At this point you should get a PID and command line from "pgrep -a Network" but not from "pgrep -a wicd" ; How do you then test if network manager works again? Do you try to switch to a network and it simply doesn't connect? What is the error message you get? |
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| 11:24.15 | mowgl3y_ | babilen: i get a pid for network manager |
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| 11:24.22 | mowgl3y_ | not for wicd |
| 11:24.36 | mowgl3y_ | i am now plugged in |
| 11:25.11 | mowgl3y_ | network-manager-kde is working because i am using wired connection now |
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| 11:26.13 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] /usr/sbin/pppd exists. Why does '~$ ps aux | grep pppd' not produce any output? |
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| 11:28.07 | babilen | bullgard4: probably because no process of that name exists. And take a look at the "pgrep" tool. |
| 11:28.52 | mowgl3y_ | babilen: this is the information you requested http://paste.debian.net/34880/ |
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| 11:29.38 | babilen | mowgl3y_: "Hard blocked: yes" you have a hardware kill switch on your device that is active. Which laptop do you have? |
| 11:30.43 | mowgl3y_ | i have a dell mini |
| 11:30.51 | mowgl3y_ | but the hardware switch doesnt work |
| 11:31.04 | mowgl3y_ | i tried pressing it on and off but no change |
| 11:31.14 | mowgl3y_ | and this is my only OS |
| 11:31.24 | ChrisH | mowgl3y_: some dell acpi modules missing? |
| 11:32.00 | mowgl3y_ | i dont think so. how do i check. the wifi was running fine until i installed wicd. |
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| 11:32.56 | mowgl3y_ | i am on KDE and have been using network-manager-kde for a while now without any hassles. |
| 11:33.43 | mowgl3y_ | i tried 'rfkill unblock all' but still it wont go up. |
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| 11:34.28 | mowgl3y_ | this is my /var/log/history.log |
| 11:34.31 | mowgl3y_ | http://paste.debian.net/34885/ |
| 11:35.57 | babilen | mowgl3y_: You cannot unblock the hardware kill switch with rfkill, that has to be done *in hardware* |
| 11:36.14 | babilen | As in: You actually have to move the switch |
| 11:37.13 | babilen | mowgl3y_: Which "dell mini" do you have exactly? |
| 11:37.19 | mowgl3y_ | but the switch is 'immovable' |
| 11:37.32 | mowgl3y_ | its a key and doesnt work when i press it |
| 11:37.58 | mowgl3y_ | i dont know. it just says dell inspiron mini. |
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| 11:38.43 | cpm___ | is there anybody there who knows gadmin-dhcpd and why it is not available in Wheezy? |
| 11:39.09 | Sevet | mowgl3y: try 'dmidecode --type 1', might give you some model info |
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| 11:39.49 | ghost75 | /etc/group is ignored on smb shares? |
| 11:39.52 | ChrisH | mowgl3y_: does anything change on dmesg after pressing the key several times? Is the wifi visible in lshw -short and/or lsub ? |
| 11:40.00 | mowgl3y_ | thanks it did. it is Inspiron 1018 |
| 11:41.09 | mowgl3y_ | chris: lshw and lsub commands not found. |
| 11:41.22 | mowgl3y_ | how i do i check dmesg? |
| 11:41.47 | Sevet | mowgl3y: dmesg is a command |
| 11:41.55 | babilen | mowgl3y_: Would you mind running "lsmod|grep dell" and tell me if it comes up with something? |
| 11:42.10 | mowgl3y_ | ok no nothing changes in the dmesg when i press the wifi key numerous times. |
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| 11:43.35 | mowgl3y_ | yes it came up with http://paste.debian.net/34892/ |
| 11:43.35 | babilen | mowgl3y_: Please also try "Fn-Alt-F2"# |
| 11:44.07 | babilen | mowgl3y_: ping? |
| 11:44.18 | mowgl3y_ | it bring up the kde search |
| 11:45.17 | babilen | mowgl3y_: And the first command? |
| 11:45.58 | mowgl3y | yes Fn-Alt-F2 brought up the KDE search |
| 11:46.12 | babilen | "12:41:55 babilen > mowgl3y_: Would you mind running "lsmod|grep dell" and tell me if it comes up with something?" |
| 11:46.26 | mowgl3y | here http://paste.debian.net/34892/ |
| 11:46.27 | babilen | but then I'm off for lunch now .. try removing the dell-laptop module |
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| 11:46.52 | mowgl3y | ok thanks |
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| 11:47.44 | Sevet | mowgl3y: lspci - is it the realtek chipset? if so try installing firmware-realtek from non-free (https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x) |
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| 11:48.27 | bullgard4 | babilen: pgrep produces an identical result. |
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| 11:48.47 | mowgl3y | yes its a realtek chipset |
| 11:48.58 | mowgl3y | i will try to reinstall it |
| 11:49.02 | mowgl3y | and let you know |
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| 11:52.00 | Sevet | mowgl3y: there's a chance you'll need to follow the manual firmware download step too, depending on the chipset model (see the wiki page) |
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| 11:56.47 | mowgl3y | Sevet: i have the firmware from when i installed it when i was installing debian |
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| 12:05.36 | mowgl3y | should i just do 'dpkg -i firmware-****.deb'? |
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| 12:07.34 | iAdam1n | Hey, I have a VPS running debian but how do I make another user so I do not have to login as root? |
| 12:07.51 | jelly | iAdam1n: use the adduser command. |
| 12:08.00 | iAdam1n | thanks |
| 12:08.51 | iAdam1n | it came with centos but I'm rebuilding as I'm more used to debian |
| 12:10.36 | iAdam1n | jelly: Do I need to login as root to first add the user? |
| 12:11.42 | jelly | iAdam1n: of course |
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| 12:11.49 | iAdam1n | cool |
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| 12:22.32 | babilen | mowgl3y: The reason for my question earlier (and the recommendation to remove the dell-laptop module) is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647249 (and the referenced Ubuntu bug report) |
| 12:23.44 | babilen | mowgl3y: You might also want to try installing a newer kernel from backports (the 3.10 in there) -- That might include changes to the kernel that come in handy. I'd start by removing the dell_laptop kernel module though and then playing with both your killswitch and "rfkill unblock all" |
| 12:24.28 | babilen | mowgl3y: You might even have done that in the interim while I was away and it would be helpful if you could tell the channel about your progress. I'll be back later (had hoped to find some messages from you on my return) |
| 12:24.32 | babilen | waves |
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| 12:31.20 | mowgl3y | ok so i tried to install the firmare using dpkg -i and the live installer started and now i am in the process of installing debian afresh. its a full fresh install luckily i have all the data backed up. so its not a big deal. |
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| 12:32.11 | mowgl3y | lesson learnt: never install wicd alongside network-manager-kde. |
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| 12:34.10 | milligan | Hey. I was messing about with some debian based OS that runs on a tiny SD card. I tried moving /usr to a new partition and adding the required entries to /etc/fstab, etc. However, when booting I got an error, something like "usr/bin/chroot not found" or something like that. Do I have to edit grub or something to tell it that /usr is moved ? Moving /home and /var worked like a charm. |
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| 12:34.39 | babilen | dpkg: based on debian |
| 12:34.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:34.56 | nvz | I can't figure out why I'm writing sd cards like its 1998 and I'm trying to burn a cd.. |
| 12:35.36 | mowgl3y | how would one go about installing a reinstalling a firmware manually? |
| 12:35.57 | babilen | mowgl3y: Have you tried unloading the module yet? Have you read the two bug reports? |
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| 12:36.47 | babilen | mowgl3y: I am quite certain that you are facing the problem described in those reports and various users reported success when they unloaded the dell_laptop module, but *I* cannot test that locally as I do not have your machine nor your problem. |
| 12:36.52 | mowgl3y | i didnt read the bug reports. things is i somehow started a fresh install trying to install the realtech firmware. |
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| 12:37.22 | babilen | You reinstalled Debian? |
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| 12:37.37 | mowgl3y | yes its in the process |
| 12:37.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell mowgl3y -about installer firmware |
| 12:37.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell mowgl3y -about firmware image |
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| 12:38.45 | mowgl3y | completed unrelated to debian. are these messages than i see from you sent using /msg? |
| 12:38.51 | babilen | mowgl3y: You can either use an image that comes with firmware to begin with or download it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ -- good luck! |
| 12:39.04 | Alver | Hello. I've got a file in pam.d to do custom auth for another app. When using "pam_ldap.so config=/path/to/file", auth.log complains that "config" is not a valid option for pam_ldap.so. |
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| 12:39.26 | Alver | ... but I'm pretty sure it is. When adding options directly (uri, ldap_version, etc) it also complains that these options are unknown |
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| 12:39.35 | babilen | mowgl3y: Yes, the bot sends you private messages. |
| 12:39.37 | Alver | So I must be overlooking something obvious. Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 12:42.25 | mowgl3y | i sent you a private message babilen did you recieve it? |
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| 12:42.58 | babilen | mowgl3y: Please keep it in the channel, there is no need to send me private messages. In fact it is frowned upon and considered "rude" to do so .. Let everyone participate in figuring out a solution. |
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| 12:43.29 | mowgl3y | ya sure sorry. i was just trying it out. |
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| 12:44.33 | babilen | mowgl3y: yeah, no problem :) |
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| 12:47.17 | iAdam1n | jelly: Does much work with debian 7/ |
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| 12:47.18 | iAdam1n | ?* |
| 12:47.45 | iAdam1n | jelly: mainly ZNC |
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| 12:50.35 | jelly | iAdam1n: hmm? |
| 12:50.42 | iAdam1n | nvm |
| 12:50.43 | jelly | judd: i znc |
| 12:50.45 | judd | Package znc (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: advanced modular IRC bouncer. Version: 0.206-2; Size: 1293.0k; Installed: 3028k; Homepage: http://znc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:50.56 | jelly | it's there, I suppose it works |
| 12:51.04 | iAdam1n | woah thats the old one |
| 12:51.07 | jelly | uses a local backport |
| 12:51.15 | jelly | ,v znc |
| 12:51.16 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.0-4+b1; sid: 1.0-5+b1 |
| 12:51.18 | iAdam1n | I compile from source |
| 12:51.43 | iAdam1n | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 12:51.45 | iAdam1n | wat |
| 12:51.45 | jelly | I built whatever was available in sid at the time |
| 12:51.58 | jelly | iAdam1n: it's not installed by default |
| 12:52.05 | iAdam1n | ah |
| 12:52.08 | iAdam1n | how do I install/ |
| 12:52.19 | iAdam1n | oh wait |
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| 12:52.21 | iAdam1n | I need to be root |
| 12:52.27 | jelly | do you need it? Use "su -" to open a root shell |
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| 12:52.50 | iAdam1n | yea I like sudo |
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| 12:53.05 | Sevet_ | iAdam1n: su -c 'apt-get install sudo' |
| 12:53.18 | iAdam1n | with the ' ? |
| 12:53.34 | Sevet_ | yep |
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| 12:53.35 | jelly | sudo is meant to provide specific commands to specific users, using it as a catch-all for every command like ubuntu does is somewhat senseless |
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| 12:54.16 | Sevet_ | jelly: although debian's sudo defaults does give you a sudo group that gives you exactly that ability for its members |
| 12:54.22 | BertGeek | hi |
| 12:54.30 | jelly | iAdam1n: but if you're used to that, sure, install it and add yourself to the sudo group |
| 12:54.36 | iAdam1n | ok |
| 12:54.41 | iAdam1n | how do I add myself? |
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| 12:54.57 | jelly | iAdam1n: adduser usernamehere groupnamehere |
| 12:55.10 | Sevet_ | iAdam1n: or more specific rules with visudo |
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| 12:55.15 | Sevet_ | both obviously need to be run as root |
| 12:55.56 | iAdam1n | what is the groupname ? |
| 12:55.59 | Sevet_ | if you take the group option, you'll need to log out and in again to be part of that group |
| 12:56.06 | iAdam1n | oh |
| 12:56.12 | iAdam1n | I want it for one user only |
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| 12:56.47 | jelly | so make sure only that one user, and noone else, is member of group sudo |
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| 12:57.15 | Sevet_ | group name is sudo (/etc/sudoers # Allow members of group sudo to execute any command\n%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL\n) |
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| 12:57.29 | Sevet_ | or add the specific user there with visudo (there's an example already for the root user) |
| 12:57.51 | Sevet_ | any local customisations actually are probably better done in /etc/sudoers.d now |
| 12:57.59 | jelly | tries not to complicate things with new users |
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| 12:58.17 | xiconfjs | hi |
| 12:58.34 | Sevet_ | jelly: sudo access is something you should probably read up and understand well first though, especially as a new user ;) |
| 12:58.51 | Sevet_ | more so on a server than a desktop though |
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| 13:00.24 | jelly | Sevet_: agreed, and at that point I think it's enough to know "add yourself to sudo group if you want ubuntu-like behaviour" |
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| 13:00.59 | jelly | if they want more details, they're going to ask |
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| 13:04.42 | Tinned_Tuna | Do you know if anyone is working on packaging OpenSMTPD (http://www.opensmtpd.org/) for Debian 7.0+ ? |
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| 13:09.02 | abrotman | you? |
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| 13:09.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Tinned_Tuna about wnpp |
| 13:09.31 | jelly | judd: bug wnpp opensmtpd |
| 13:09.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/706985 in wnpp (open): «ITP: opensmtpd -- Simple Mail Transfer Protocol daemon»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-05-06; last modified: 2013-08-05. |
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| 13:10.07 | jelly | Tinned_Tuna: that presumably means "yes" |
| 13:10.50 | jelly | idly wonders why the world needs another smtpd |
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| 13:11.13 | pseubodot | Is it common to use a USB-based image to install Debian? |
| 13:11.41 | rozie | pseubodot: yes |
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| 13:12.22 | rozie | netinstall is USB/CD image (one image - you can dd it on stick or burn as iso) |
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| 13:12.44 | pseubodot | rozie: I've done netinst via CD and PXE/TFTP |
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| 13:13.18 | pseubodot | rozie: With PXE/TFTP I could use approx to cache packages locally; it really sped up repeated installations |
| 13:13.27 | pseubodot | rozie: Would like to do the same with USB install |
| 13:13.45 | babilen | pseubodot: Well, if you have PXE/TFTP running already I don't see the point of not using it for clients that support it. |
| 13:13.47 | Tinned_Tuna | jelly, abrotman thanks :-) |
| 13:13.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell pseubodot -about usb install |
| 13:13.56 | pseubodot | P0bailey: USB3 is quite fast |
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| 13:14.19 | pseubodot | babilen: I tend to have to move between numerous networks, many of which I have no control over (and hence no PXE/TFTP access) |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | waves toward pseubodot |
| 13:14.36 | babilen | pseubodot: Sure, no problem :) |
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| 13:15.08 | pseubodot | looks at abrotman, stunned, surprised |
| 13:15.18 | latenite | Hi folks, I can no longer eject and get this error: eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 13:15.21 | pseubodot | hands abrotman a fish |
| 13:15.26 | latenite | How can I fix that? |
| 13:15.39 | pseubodot | babilen: thanks for the bot tell, reading now. |
| 13:16.19 | babilen | pseubodot: The bot should have sent you a factoid that contains some information as well as the appropriate link to our installation guide. Our images are <hybrid images> for x86 architectures so you can write them directly to a USB stick if you want to. Concerning firmware you might want to read <firmware image> and <installer firmware> -- Is there anything else you need ehlp with? |
| 13:17.08 | pseubodot | babilen: The installation itself is not a big deal, but I think my use case (caching installation and other packages on the usb stick) might be a bit unusual |
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| 13:17.56 | pseubodot | babilen: but that's probably easier once there's a runnable image on the usb stick. |
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| 13:19.26 | babilen | pseubodot: Yeah, it is. You can probably create a local repository on the stick (cf. <own repo>) and then configure it using a suitable file: URI in your sources.list ; You would have to go "the flexible way" for that though as our hybrid images come pre-partitioned and won't allow you to adapt that. (IIRC) |
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| 13:20.12 | pseubodot | babilen: short of recreating the image, sure. |
| 13:20.26 | pseubodot | babilen: but since netinst keeps changing, it would be better to keep the image separate in any case |
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| 13:20.45 | babilen | Well, it doesn't change all the time, but I agree. |
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| 13:22.23 | pseubodot | babilen: Combining this with approx or apt-cache* on a live and running machine to cache 'non-instalation' packages on the stick would make the occasional install faster |
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| 13:22.34 | pseubodot | babilen: otherwise what's the point of going through the trouble. |
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| 13:23.09 | babilen | pseubodot: No idea, I would simply grab a CD/DVD image if I wanted more packages on the disk, put additional firmware on the second partition and be done with it. |
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| 13:25.42 | pseubodot | babilen: Thanks |
| 13:26.07 | babilen | pseubodot: Would that be an option for you? |
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| 13:26.41 | pseubodot | babilen: could very well be. I have some reading to do, clearly. |
| 13:27.24 | pseubodot | given that 64-gb USB3 sticks are about affordable, it would open a few options. |
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| 13:28.08 | crane | tests something |
| 13:28.28 | jelly | hm, the whole of a debian binary package archive might just fit on one of those |
| 13:28.39 | jelly | (a single arch) |
| 13:28.52 | pseubodot | 128 GB SSDs in a USB3 case would allow more than one arch |
| 13:29.14 | pseubodot | 128 GB USB3 here is around CAD$100 |
| 13:29.34 | Repox | Hi. I found this command "iconv -f original_charset -t utf-8 originalfile > newfile" which i'd like to run recursively and apply to all my .php files.Is this possible in one line? |
| 13:29.35 | pseubodot | 256GB of same is ~CAD$250 |
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| 13:30.52 | jelly | got a deal of 250GB ssd for $60 this weekend... that would fit amd64 AND i386 |
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| 13:31.46 | pseubodot | jelly: and a whole arch's worth of packages wouldn't really be needed, getting the big packages like X apps, databases, etc would be more useful |
| 13:31.55 | jelly | nah |
| 13:32.10 | tralala | Repox, sure with find -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 13:32.16 | pseubodot | jelly: well, to me. :) |
| 13:32.21 | babilen | pseubodot: Just to elaborate: You can easily download either http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ + either CD1, DVD1 or BD1 from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.1.0/amd64/ (jigdo for BD), write that to your stick (cp the_debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync) and then unpack the firmware.tar.gz on the second partition. The images contain different sets of packages (see list-*) that should get you going ... |
| 13:32.27 | babilen | ... and DVD1 definitely suffices for installing the tasks you are being offered. |
| 13:32.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell pseubodot -about cd content |
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| 13:33.00 | babilen | pseubodot: You can also check which image a specific package is on if you want to make sure that you grab the right one. |
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| 13:36.27 | pseubodot | babilen: Our pipe is good enough to get the BD |
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| 13:37.28 | pseubodot | babilen: thanks for the help and pointers. time for me to go do some reading. |
| 13:38.25 | pseubodot | wonders off |
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| 13:38.50 | cristian_ | Does anyone knows if each somaxconn socket has it's own backlog queue, or if the backlog queue is 'independent' from the amount of sockets? |
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| 13:41.32 | DammitJim | what do I restart for the system to identify an update on my hosts file? |
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| 13:42.12 | bhuddah | DammitJim: nothing? |
| 13:42.14 | ksk | nothing. libc get-addr foo will alway see as soon as you write something into it, imho |
| 13:42.22 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 13:47.04 | iAdam1n | How do I download a file now? |
| 13:47.06 | iAdam1n | I mean the command |
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| 13:47.51 | bhuddah | iAdam1n: try wget |
| 13:48.05 | iAdam1n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:49.06 | iAdam1n | also I forgot, what is the command to add to sudoers file? |
| 13:49.29 | bhuddah | visudo |
| 13:49.44 | themill | iAdam1n: "adduser yourself sudo" is probably what you are looking for |
| 13:50.03 | bhuddah | ooh! that one :) |
| 13:50.05 | iAdam1n | themill: That will add me to use sudo? |
| 13:51.05 | iAdam1n | thnx |
| 13:54.00 | iAdam1n | wat |
| 13:54.01 | iAdam1n | configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables |
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| 13:54.52 | iAdam1n | themill: Any idea? |
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| 13:54.57 | iAdam1n | Trying to compile znc |
| 13:55.08 | themill | !b-e iAdam1n |
| 13:55.09 | dpkg | iAdam1n: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:55.31 | iAdam1n | themill: but what version will that give me? |
| 13:55.41 | themill | ? |
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| 13:55.49 | iAdam1n | Version of znc |
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| 13:56.05 | cristian_ | Does anyone knows if each somaxconn socket has it's own backlog queue, or if the backlog queue is 'independent' from the amount of sockets? (sysctl) |
| 13:56.15 | themill | iAdam1n: build-essential doesn't install znc. |
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| 13:56.24 | iAdam1n | oh wait |
| 13:56.53 | nonconvergent | Okay, I'm trying to find a way to make a kvm VM and allow myself to remotely access it. |
| 13:57.35 | nonconvergent | But the host machine I have is on a wireless nick, so I don't think I can set up a bridged connection if I'm understanding what I've read so far. |
| 13:57.43 | nonconvergent | s/nick/nic/ |
| 13:57.57 | Will_Tampa | Morning all |
| 13:57.59 | iAdam1n | I think I actually need to add more stuff like dependencies |
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| 13:59.21 | jelly | did I not tell iAdam about ssb |
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| 14:09.45 | armin | how can i detect, from a shellscript, if i have my external monitor connected, or not? |
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| 14:10.01 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 14:10.52 | babilen | armin: xrandr |
| 14:11.21 | armin | babilen: works for me, thank you. |
| 14:11.58 | darxmurf | got something strange, who can explain this. Received a .rar file with a .scr virus inside. the filename is different in the shell and with a GUI file manager... how is it possible ?! |
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| 14:12.22 | darxmurf | when I ls the folder the filename is : cinemark‮fdp.scr |
| 14:12.43 | darxmurf | when I open the folder with thunar, I can see cinemark‮fdp.scr |
| 14:13.00 | JyZyXEL | if you md-raid a /boot partition, should it use v0.90 superblock instead of v1.2? |
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| 14:14.56 | JyZyXEL | im guessing its just best to go with 0.90 to maximize your chance to succeed :p |
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| 14:15.40 | jelly | JyZyXEL: indeed. 0.9 will enable you to use LILO... it's good to have options. ;-) |
| 14:15.42 | mercutio22 | trying to install debian from the debian testing cd image transfered with dd to a usb stick and the installer keeps looking for a cd-rom |
| 14:16.02 | jelly | JyZyXEL: and, I think, extlinux might benefit as well. |
| 14:16.17 | JyZyXEL | simple is good :p |
| 14:16.36 | jelly | 1.0 also has metadata at the end, but lilo doesn't like it |
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| 14:16.48 | JyZyXEL | oh, thats weird? |
| 14:17.00 | JyZyXEL | i was just thinking about 1.0 being at the end too |
| 14:17.10 | jelly | or perhaps used to not like it. Test please. |
| 14:17.37 | JyZyXEL | v1.0 probably has no advantage over v0.90 when it comes to the /boot partition |
| 14:17.47 | darxmurf | hmmm unicode trick U+202e |
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| 14:18.20 | XLV | JyZyXEL, why not use v1.2? |
| 14:18.43 | JyZyXEL | XLV: because both the v1.1 and v1.2 put the metadata before the filesystem header |
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| 14:19.46 | jelly | JyZyXEL: grub2 around squeeze time used to work only with 0.9 and 1.0, but the current one can deal with 1.2 as well I think |
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| 14:20.40 | jelly | you seem to already know what the safest bet is |
| 14:21.16 | ChrisH | darxmurf: I cannot see a difference between cinemarkfdp.scr and cinemarkfdp.scr |
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| 14:21.19 | JyZyXEL | yeah, i don't even know why i'm asking when i know what will work the best. curiosity i guess :p |
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| 14:23.36 | darxmurf | ChrisH, sorry... under thunar it's .pdf |
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| 14:24.12 | darxmurf | well in the filename there is just a 202e char which change the name under GUI |
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| 14:25.56 | jelly | â€it's just evil |
| 14:26.19 | darxmurf | yep |
| 14:26.25 | darxmurf | but not working under windows XP :D |
| 14:27.17 | darxmurf | if you want to play with this file : /!\ WIN32 VIRUS /!\ h__p://www. encuentraloenred.com/archivos/galeria/user1607/Cupon.rar |
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| 14:27.49 | nonconvergent | virt-manager keeps wanting to make the VM images in /var...I need them local. |
| 14:28.31 | jelly | darxmurf: perhaps it's better not to share potential malware with users here |
| 14:28.42 | darx-away | well we are on a linux channel |
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| 14:28.58 | darx-away | and the link is renamed and with a warning |
| 14:29.11 | darx-away | but you are probably right |
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| 14:29.17 | darx-away | sorry |
| 14:30.58 | Will_Tampa | Nods... there are script kiddies on irc (maybe here too...) that would use that as a start to .....TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION!!! ;) |
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| 14:33.07 | nonconvergent | It keeps putting the images in /var/lib/libvirt/images/ |
| 14:33.50 | nonconvergent | Which is annoying for me, because I have seperate / and /home volumes and / is only 35GB |
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| 14:38.24 | fureddo | I'm using Gnome2 in Wheezy. I have added the Calendar and Weather applet. And I'm wondering how can I use the calendar? I tried to add an appointment using Evolution but I don't see the appointment in the Calendar applet. Any ideas? |
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| 14:38.45 | themill | nonconvergent: does --disk not work? (or a symlink!) |
| 14:39.44 | lng | Hi! Should I get amd64 image to install Debian on i5 CPU? |
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| 14:40.25 | nonconvergent | themill: I'm going through the virt-manager gui. |
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| 14:41.13 | lng | Is flash still issue on 64bit arch? |
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| 14:41.31 | nonconvergent | lng: what issue? |
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| 14:44.02 | lng | nonconvergent: there was an issue with adobe flash plugin on 64bit |
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| 14:44.28 | nonconvergent | , v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:44.29 | ChrisH | !issue |
| 14:44.29 | dpkg | hmm... issue is /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net |
| 14:44.30 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2+squeeze1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.2; sid/contrib: 1:3.2; wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; experimental/contrib: 1:3.2.1 |
| 14:44.41 | nonconvergent | Works fine fore me. |
| 14:44.48 | nonconvergent | ...well, as fine as flash ever worked. |
| 14:45.05 | lng | nonconvergent: are you on 64bit arch? |
| 14:45.24 | nonconvergent | No, I'm on 64bit Debian. |
| 14:45.25 | nonconvergent | :P |
| 14:45.36 | lng | nonconvergent: good |
| 14:45.50 | nonconvergent | , v flashplugin-nonfree --amd64 |
| 14:45.51 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 14:45.52 | lng | nonconvergent: did you use amd64 image? |
| 14:45.57 | nonconvergent | , v flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 14:45.58 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2+squeeze1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.2; sid/contrib: 1:3.2; wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; experimental/contrib: 1:3.2.1 |
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| 14:49.52 | lng | is it possible to install debian from single CD/DVD? |
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| 14:50.34 | nonconvergent | Sure. Everything you -NEED- is on the first disk. |
| 14:50.48 | nonconvergent | But most of us do netinst anyway. |
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| 14:51.50 | themill | "need" is a problematic word there and depending on what you plan to install and which image you are talking about, also untrue |
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| 14:52.10 | jelly | needs cookies |
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| 14:52.20 | lng | nonconvergent: so I need only the first disk? |
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| 14:53.18 | czh | the first disk is ok |
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| 14:54.58 | nonconvergent | lng: You'll probably be fine. If anyone is ever missing anything, they're usually missing networking firmware. My ethernet worked even without it (though the wifi did need the firmware). |
| 14:55.21 | nonconvergent | If that does happen, you can download them, put them on another disk, and load them in during the install. |
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| 14:57.22 | babilen | lng: Do you have a working internet connection? Do you want to install a desktop environment and if so: Which? |
| 14:57.24 | czh | you can load the firmware by usb |
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| 14:57.34 | moldy | hi |
| 14:57.52 | lng | babilen: yes, we have a wifi here and I need a desktop |
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| 14:58.19 | czh | you can use the dvd iso |
| 14:58.22 | babilen | lng: Which desktop environment do you want? (gnome (default), xfce, kde or lxde are common options) |
| 14:58.36 | lng | babilen: gnome is fine |
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| 14:59.15 | czh | both of them are in dvd-1.iso |
| 14:59.20 | babilen | lng: In that case I would either use the netinst image with firmware or CD1 and download firmware independently. Do you plan to install from CD, USB or via another method? |
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| 14:59.40 | lng | babilen: CD |
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| 14:59.57 | lng | babilen: how about network install? |
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| 15:00.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell lng -about install debian |
| 15:00.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell lng -about firmware image |
| 15:01.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell lng -about installer firmware |
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| 15:01.46 | babilen | lng: You can get the CD1 and firmware from g: You'll probably be fine. If anyone is ever missing anything, they're usually missing networking firmware. My ethernet worked even without it (though the wifi did need the firmware). |
| 15:01.59 | babilen | err |
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| 15:02.43 | babilen | lng: You can get the CD1 image and firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ respectively |
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| 15:03.42 | babilen | lng: I would probably simply use the netinst image with firmware and download whatever is needed during configuration, but then I have access to a fast downlink (at least 12MB/s) and you might prefer downloading the CD image instead. |
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| 15:04.33 | babilen | lng: If you opt for the CD image and you require firmware for your hardware you can unpack the firmware.{tar.gz,zip} on a USB stick and plug that in during the installation. |
| 15:04.40 | D-Boy | I'm trying de scan the network with nmap, the commande nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 under a normal user (but does not give the MAC Address of the devices found) but end with an error if i ran it under root 'route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "vmbr0"' |
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| 15:05.07 | lng | babilen: where is the firmware? |
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| 15:06.53 | babilen | lng: I gave you the link, or do you mean the firmware image? (check your private messages from dpkg for that) |
| 15:07.07 | lng | babilen: yes |
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| 15:07.12 | lng | ok |
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| 15:12.21 | wojtas | does any body know how to create a report issue on dell suporrt site ? |
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| 15:17.03 | troulouliou_dev | hi i want to install linux on a new computer shiped with windows; in bios for sata mode should i choose AHCI or raid intel rapid storage ? |
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| 15:18.22 | expect | ahci |
| 15:18.56 | troulouliou_dev | expect, rst required a specific driver for optimal use that is not available under linux right ? |
| 15:19.01 | troulouliou_dev | (just guessing) |
| 15:19.48 | babilen | rst? |
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| 15:20.28 | troulouliou_dev | babilen, intel rapid storage technology |
| 15:20.41 | babilen | ah, okay |
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| 15:21.15 | crose | hello, i've got 2 keyboard shortcuts to hide/show panel bar in xfce, each one binded to almost the same command (xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /panels/panel-0/autohide -s false | true), only the last parameter changes (false or true), is there a way to have only one command which would cycle between the two, so that i only have one keyboard shortcut left ? |
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| 15:21.34 | babilen | troulouliou_dev: AFAICT that has been supported for quite a while |
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| 15:22.17 | tuxIO_ | hi |
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| 15:22.57 | troulouliou_dev | babilen, butwich one gives better performances after fresh install ?ahci or rst |
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| 15:24.19 | babilen | troulouliou_dev: Just use ahci if you don't want RAID |
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| 15:28.57 | crose | sorry for the noobish question, i found the solution ^^ |
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| 15:37.10 | babilen | crose: What was the solution? (just curious) |
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| 15:37.53 | swede73 | whats a good epub reader? |
| 15:37.59 | babilen | nook |
| 15:38.19 | swede73 | for debian |
| 15:38.28 | babilen | couldn't resist |
| 15:38.37 | babilen | swede73: I use calibre for everything ebook |
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| 15:39.31 | swede73 | babilen: I use that for my ebook with stanza I forgot it has a reader doh |
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| 15:42.21 | Brigo | swede73: fbreader |
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| 15:51.14 | caraconan | Hi there. When I type "man whatever" it looks like less is executed. If I type /pattern it goes to the part of document where it is, but does not highlight it. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks |
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| 15:54.01 | nkuttler | caraconan: that's odd, highlighting should be the default |
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| 15:55.14 | caraconan | Looks like it launches less than vim |
| 15:55.24 | caraconan | If I type 'gg' nothing happens and so on |
| 15:55.43 | caraconan | It launches a different application than the one that I'm used to |
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| 15:56.49 | crose | babilen:sorry for being so long to answer (i was on the phone), i just wrote a little script with this command : if [ `xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /panels/panel-0/autohide` = true ];then xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /panels/panel-0/autohide -s false;else xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /panels/panel-0/autohide -s true;fi |
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| 15:57.18 | crose | and binded the script to a shortcut |
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| 15:59.11 | Nyancat | I have a imsm-fakeraid which comes up under wheezy & kernel 2.6 automatically, but not under 3.2, and I can't assemble it manually. |
| 15:59.36 | karlpinc | caraconan: The PAGER shell variable determines what is launched to do paging. |
| 15:59.46 | Nyancat | but if I call /usr/share/mdadm/mkconfig under 3.2, it will generate a correct mdadm.conf |
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| 16:00.23 | caraconan | karlpinc: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 16:00.59 | babilen | crose: yeah, that is exactly the right approach |
| 16:01.11 | Monday | is there a sort of privacy gui setting for debian like they have in ubuntu? |
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| 16:01.38 | Nyancat | Monday: what for? I don't know how debian violates privacy. |
| 16:01.51 | caraconan | karlpinc: are you sure? It's empty both in my broken environment and where it still works (latpop) |
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| 16:04.02 | val_erie | I installed backuppc and for a start would like to just backup localhost. I am getting Tar exited with error 512 () status. When I check log, I have many "Permission denied" The user for backuppc server is backuppc. Do I need to give backuppc rights like sudo? (I actually never used sudo on debian , only root or regular user) |
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| 16:08.51 | zerick | val_erie, not pretty sure but I guess that yes, you could try asking on #backuppc |
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| 16:10.33 | digdilem | val_erie, http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/localhost.html |
| 16:10.52 | berarma | hi, I'm trying to use sshfs with Nautilus and I want to mount automatically on access. I'm thinking about using autofs+sshfs, any other way to do it? |
| 16:11.05 | Monday | Nyancat for Zeitgeist |
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| 16:12.09 | Ubuntivity | Hello |
| 16:12.27 | Ubuntivity | Does the debian repository provide XBMC and Unity? |
| 16:12.41 | Nyancat | Monday: apt-get remove zeitgeist - what is it good for? |
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| 16:13.16 | Ubuntivity | Nyancat: zeitgeist is used to track what programs you use, etc.. |
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| 16:13.36 | Nyancat | yeah, just looked it up - but what is it good for? sounds creepy. |
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| 16:14.24 | ghost_mwb | =-O |
| 16:14.46 | babilen | Monday: Just remove it if you don't need it. |
| 16:14.48 | Ubuntivity | Nyancat: On ubuntu for example, it gives you the most commonly used apps first when you use Unity lens |
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| 16:15.01 | Monday | babilen, but i think there are dependencies |
| 16:15.12 | Nyancat | Ubuntivity: debian isn |
| 16:15.21 | Nyancat | Ubuntivity: debian isnt ubuntu |
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| 16:15.30 | babilen | Then deal with those. Paste relevant output to http://paste.debian.net if you need help with that. |
| 16:15.43 | Nyancat | but afair it is installed with the task "desktop-environment" or "gnome". hate that. |
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| 16:15.59 | Monday | i was trying to upgrade a software and it said "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of midori: midori depends on libzeitgeist-1.0-1 (>= 0.3.14); however: Package libzeitgeist-1.0-1 is not installed." |
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| 16:16.07 | Ubuntivity | Nyancat: I know it isn't, but I don't know what debian uses zeitgeit for. |
| 16:16.09 | babilen | Nyancat: Don't install that task if you don't want it |
| 16:16.28 | Ubuntivity | Do Debian repositories provide XBMC?? |
| 16:16.34 | Monday | is it possible to force install the software without zeitgeist? |
| 16:16.38 | Nyancat | babilen: you're right - made the mistake when I installed the system. |
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| 16:16.55 | babilen | Ubuntivity: It is a reverse dependency of gnome-activity-journal for example |
| 16:17.04 | Nyancat | Monday: depends on which software depends on it I suppose. |
| 16:17.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ubuntivity -about xbmc |
| 16:17.38 | Nyancat | the next question is: do I need a software which needs zeitgeist? do I /should/ need it? |
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| 16:19.32 | Nyancat | babilen: my favorite is install without any tasks and only "apt-get install less vim" ;-) |
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| 16:19.38 | babilen | Nyancat: Surely not .. I mean, what do you need anyway? |
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| 16:20.18 | Nyancat | babilen: apart from that, I do not fear that debian sends any collected data around |
| 16:20.28 | Nyancat | it really IS NOT ubuntu. |
| 16:20.32 | Ubuntivity | Thanks babilen. What about Unity? Is it available too? |
| 16:21.20 | Nyancat | next question is whether he can activate someone who keeps whipping him... |
| 16:21.32 | Nyancat | apt-get install torturer |
| 16:22.06 | babilen | Ubuntivity: has not yet been packages IIRC, RFP is Debian bug #609278 |
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| 16:22.16 | babilen | *packaged |
| 16:23.24 | Ubuntivity | babilen: So if someone needed it, he should compile it from source (bearing in mind that bug), right? |
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| 16:24.10 | babilen | Ubuntivity: I would argue that people who "need" unity should use Ubuntu, but that might just be me. |
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| 16:24.37 | Ubuntivity | babilen: Who made Unity? Is it Ubuntu-baked? |
| 16:24.47 | Nyancat | Ubuntivity: trust me, you don't want to compile anything that is related to a GUI. |
| 16:25.07 | Nyancat | Ubuntivity: AFAIR yes. |
| 16:25.11 | babilen | It has not yet been packaged for Debian and I have no idea if somebody is working on it, but check yourself. I consider Unity to be a very suboptimal interface and not at all interested in getting it to work on Debian. (other people obviously are) |
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| 16:25.32 | babilen | Ubuntivity: yes, unity is http://unity.ubuntu.com/ |
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| 16:26.29 | Nyancat | by the way, is there something like TortoiseSVN on debian? it's the last thing I miss from windows (apart from the games) |
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| 16:26.51 | Nyancat | foobar2000 runs with wine. yeah. |
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| 16:27.45 | berarma | Nyancat: I wouldn't miss svn nor their frontends |
| 16:28.44 | Nyancat | maybe, but I'm not in the mood right now to learn git. |
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| 16:30.33 | berarma | Nyancat: if you have the chance I recommend you Mercurial, it's svn done right, works almost the same |
| 16:30.40 | Nyancat | does someone has a hunch about my MSM, by the way? |
| 16:30.42 | Sevet_ | Nyancat: used none of them, but what about rapidsvn or esvn? suspect they don't integrate directly into gnome though |
| 16:30.47 | berarma | Nyancat: and the command line, of course :-) |
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| 16:31.30 | Nyancat | berarma: of course, but GUI has some advantages. at the moment I'm happy enough with netbeans. |
| 16:31.31 | berarma | some IDEs have svn/scm plugins |
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| 16:33.22 | Nyancat | until now, I work alone on most projects - I fail to see how I would profit from destributed versioning. |
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| 16:35.44 | Nyancat | oh nice, there are new blackbirds in my garden. |
| 16:35.54 | Nyancat | the cat has eaten the other ones (not me) |
| 16:36.11 | berarma | hi, I'm trying to use sshfs with Nautilus and I want to automatically mount remote folders on access. I'm thinking about using autofs+sshfs, is there a better way to do it? |
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| 16:38.23 | _ke | when running rsync over ssh like this: rsync -av example.org:/foo /tmp the remote ssh command changes to rsync --server --sender -vlogDtpre.iLsf . /foo. can anyone explain me what the dot is for before the -i flag? |
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| 16:46.26 | johndo | Nyancat: even when you work alone on a project the advantage of a distributed SCM system is that you don't need to set up a server for it and that you easily can develop on different computers (like home and laptop) |
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| 16:47.33 | Nyancat | johndo: yes, but I pay 3 € a month to have a server. if I wouldn't have one, I'd have to carry around my repositories |
| 16:48.06 | Nyancat | eventually, they'd creep out of sync an I'd end up with the same problems I had before using any versioning. |
| 16:48.27 | berarma | it's worlds better |
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| 16:56.39 | Nyancat | leaves - bye! |
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| 17:00.58 | avallark | hello all :) |
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| 17:06.27 | splynt | :/ |
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| 17:12.15 | splynt | russel slack |
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| 17:12.37 | splynt | weird |
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| 17:22.59 | sKeiths | nm.. thats exactly how i done it. it works fine. |
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| 17:25.01 | naquad | how do i set default shell for new users? when i add user with useradd he gets /bin/sh as his shell, but i want bash to be default one |
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| 17:28.02 | gnarface | so, is there a proper way to package pecl/pear modules into debs? |
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| 17:31.00 | jater | How do I install Debian on Virtual Box? |
| 17:31.16 | jater | the iso images don't work with it |
| 17:32.03 | berarma | naquad: use adduser and see /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 17:32.21 | naquad | berarma, why adduser? bash is already set in adduser.conf |
| 17:32.29 | n3rV3 | jater: yest it does, you are not setting the first boot device to cd maybe? |
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| 17:32.54 | berarma | naquad: because it's a higher level tool and does what you need |
| 17:33.16 | n3rV3 | jater: two more reasons could be a corrupt iso image, or the wrong architecture vis trying to boot x86_64 cd into a i386 vm |
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| 17:33.31 | jater | oined #debian |
| 17:33.31 | jater | 19:32 < berarma> naquad: because it's a higher level tool and does what you need |
| 17:33.39 | jater | oops sorry |
| 17:33.43 | jater | I will try again |
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| 17:34.50 | jater | n3rV3: when I press enter, it freezes |
| 17:34.57 | jater | (when I press enter on "Install" |
| 17:35.00 | jater | ) |
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| 17:35.22 | jater | graphical installer does the same, it just freezes |
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| 17:35.44 | n3rV3 | jater: have to tried to install in the text mode? |
| 17:35.49 | nmpro | I am trying to figure out how to delay the start of apache2 during a reboot. I want apache2 to be the last thing that starts before the login prompt. any ideas? |
| 17:37.03 | jater | n3rV3: yes it freezes |
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| 17:37.37 | n3rV3 | jater: and you are sure that the cd/dvd image is fine? |
| 17:37.48 | n3rV3 | did you check its shasum |
| 17:38.25 | jater | n3rV3: ofc |
| 17:38.29 | jater | md5 matches |
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| 17:38.50 | n3rV3 | and the architecture is fine too? |
| 17:39.02 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... how can I see the content of a *.cert file? |
| 17:39.05 | jater | yes |
| 17:39.05 | n3rV3 | both match? |
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| 17:39.37 | jater | amd64 works with Intel 64? |
| 17:39.54 | petn-randall | nmpro: If you have a dependency based boot, it'll start it when needed. |
| 17:39.57 | n3rV3 | yes it does jater |
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| 17:40.17 | petn-randall | s/needed/when all dependencies are fulfilled/ |
| 17:40.34 | nmpro | petn-randall, I see... |
| 17:40.44 | n3rV3 | jater better check the vm, is there anything else missing? you should have enough ram and a disk, |
| 17:40.58 | petn-randall | nmpro: So you'll have to put the missing dependency in the LSB header for it to run later during boot. |
| 17:42.04 | n3rV3 | jater: or try creating a new VM and then booting into it |
| 17:42.21 | jater | n3rV3: I will check the md5 |
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| 17:42.44 | jater | there could be an issue with the iso |
| 17:43.03 | n3rV3 | jater: you said it matched some time back? |
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| 17:43.39 | nmpro | petn-randall: thanks for the info... |
| 17:43.46 | jater | n3rV3: not for this iso |
| 17:43.48 | jater | 1 sec |
| 17:43.52 | n3rV3 | lol |
| 17:44.28 | jater | it matches |
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| 17:45.04 | jater | I'm using: debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 17:45.05 | n3rV3 | which iso does it match for? |
| 17:45.08 | n3rV3 | :) |
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| 17:45.50 | jater | it isn't a problem with the machine, I've created it like 5 times, it always freezes when I select install |
| 17:46.14 | n3rV3 | jater: tried any other live cds? |
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| 17:46.27 | jater | n3rV3: nope |
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| 17:46.41 | jater | I suppose I'll try netinst |
| 17:46.58 | nmpro | petn-randall, can't I just remove apache2 from the run levels and add it to rc.local to be proceed later? |
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| 17:46.59 | n3rV3 | jater: try using the somewhat obscure options like, noapic or acpi=off etc |
| 17:47.04 | n3rV3 | might help |
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| 17:48.11 | jater | n3rV3: whenver I press enter it freezes |
| 17:48.21 | jater | that is strange |
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| 17:48.41 | jater | I pressed tab when install is selected, added noapic and it froze |
| 17:49.07 | n3rV3 | jater and it stays there? how long have you waited? |
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| 17:49.36 | jater | for ages |
| 17:49.46 | jater | it just freezes forever |
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| 17:51.03 | n3rV3 | can you paste the vbox log somewhere, its pretty hard to guess like this |
| 17:51.43 | jater | n3rV3: Where is it located in Windows? |
| 17:51.48 | jater | I've been trying to find it |
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| 17:52.32 | n3rV3 | jater: should be under C:Program Files somewhere, hold on |
| 17:53.58 | dimitry7 | Hello guys... how can I see the content of a *.cert file? |
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| 17:55.49 | n3rV3 | jater: should be in C:\Users\<username>\.VirtualBox |
| 17:57.02 | jater | n3rV3: this should be useful: http://paste.debian.net/35068/ |
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| 17:59.20 | tuxIO | So when I apply a configuration which runs well on a Debian 64bit system to a Debian x86, the system should behave the same, right? |
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| 17:59.35 | Psy-Q | there was this helper somewhere that helped find out about library dependencies when building a package from source. what was that again? |
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| 17:59.56 | tuxIO | (given that all packages are available for 64bit, too, of course) |
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| 18:01.21 | tuxIO | anyone? |
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| 18:01.46 | jater | n3rV3: I will try 32 bit |
| 18:02.02 | mtn | tuxIO: most likely, but you are being very vague |
| 18:04.17 | n3rV3 | jater: also try enabling PAE/NX setting in the vbox, thats what i could find through google |
| 18:04.30 | n3rV3 | :) |
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| 18:07.42 | Psy-Q | maybe it wasn't part of debhelper.. it was some tool that analyzed the build process (?) to figure out a good set of dependencies for a package |
| 18:07.48 | tuxIO | n3rV3: it is sad that virtualbox does not support vt-x / amd-v nesting |
| 18:08.24 | jater | n3rV3: still no luck |
| 18:08.40 | n3rV3 | tuxIO: never needed it, i only work at level 1 on virtualization, no inceptions.. :) |
| 18:09.10 | n3rV3 | jater: did you try enabling the PAE/NX in that vm? |
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| 18:10.31 | n3rV3 | tuxIO: i think qemu wont have this issue. but then it will be far slower( its just a guess) |
| 18:10.44 | jater | n3rV3: yes |
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| 18:11.08 | n3rV3 | jater: and the log is same? |
| 18:11.15 | tuxIO | n3rV3: quemu is an emulator, so it is slow but true turing-safe, it works without any processor support |
| 18:11.23 | tuxIO | n3rV3: but it is so slow I can't use it |
| 18:11.39 | tuxIO | n3rV3: vt-x nesting is very useful and they really should add it |
| 18:11.58 | tuxIO | n3rV3: I give you an example: Running a Debian on a Windows System and using vagrant for testing 64bit systems inside that Debian. |
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| 18:12.28 | nonconvergent | I've forwarded a range of ports from my NAT to my Debian machine at home. But I don't remember what they are. |
| 18:12.52 | nonconvergent | Except for the one I use for ssh traffic, which I'm using now. |
| 18:12.56 | n3rV3 | tuxIO: hmm, how hard would it be to patch virtualbox? i mean how much time would it take? |
| 18:13.16 | jater | n3rV3: yes |
| 18:13.20 | tuxIO | n3rV3: the virtual processor would have to be extended and the binary patcher thing, too |
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| 18:14.42 | n3rV3 | tuxIO: i am just a small time python coder, what you just said would translate into a long term project for me |
| 18:14.44 | n3rV3 | :) |
| 18:14.46 | nonconvergent | Is there something I on my remote, inside that NAT, to listen for and report if I run a port knocker on the IP? |
| 18:14.50 | jater | n3rV3: http://paste.debian.net/35078/ |
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| 18:15.12 | nonconvergent | s/I on/I can run on/ |
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| 18:18.21 | n3rV3 | jater: are you logged in as Jack? |
| 18:18.49 | Psy-Q | aah, i think i'm looking for the stuff that fills in ${shlibs:Depends}. is there a way i can find out what debhelper thinks it needs to put there? |
| 18:18.56 | jater | n3rV3: yep |
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| 18:21.01 | n3rV3 | jater: why does it say boot from floppy failed at line 829 in your paste? |
| 18:21.13 | n3rV3 | jater: have you set the right boot device? |
| 18:22.47 | n3rV3 | then it says, that the vm has been instructed to power off at line 838 |
| 18:22.52 | n3rV3 | dude? |
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| 18:23.06 | jater | n3rV3: I am running the iso in VB |
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| 18:24.24 | jater | n3rV3: What boot device do I set it as anyway? |
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| 18:24.49 | n3rV3 | jater: you should set it as cd/dvd |
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| 18:25.52 | jater | How? |
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| 18:27.00 | jater | n3rV3: it is set to CD |
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| 18:27.41 | n3rV3 | jater: and which version of vbox are you using? |
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| 18:29.25 | jater | n3rV3: 32 bit works! |
| 18:29.29 | jater | (debian iso) |
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| 18:30.48 | n3rV3 | cool, so you are sure that this vm is 64 bit? |
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| 18:31.12 | jned | if you setup a static ip, where do you put your nameservers? |
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| 18:31.44 | n3rV3 | jned: how did you setup those static ips? |
| 18:32.15 | thomasHorse | jned, the name server config is in the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:32.27 | jater | n3rV3: yeah nvm, thanks for your help, I got support from #vbox |
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| 18:32.47 | thomasHorse | n3rV3, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:33.16 | thomasHorse | change from dhcp to static, then put the config |
| 18:33.28 | n3rV3 | thomasHorse: if he is using network manager, then it would be better to ask him to set it there |
| 18:33.43 | jned | n3rV3, it was done before me |
| 18:33.49 | jned | thomasHorse, it gets generated |
| 18:33.52 | thomasHorse | if you like linux you need to get used to command line and vi |
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| 18:34.28 | n3rV3 | thomasHorse: i do use vim and bash, but not everyone else who comes here |
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| 18:35.06 | thomasHorse | if you can't use the GUI for some reason you are stuck, while if you know the command line you can always get your server do what you want it to do |
| 18:35.33 | jned | I am looking at a sample /etc/network/interfaces static ip config, it has address, gateway, netmask, network, broadcast, but what about nameservers? |
| 18:35.53 | thomasHorse | jned, is int /etc/resolve.conf |
| 18:36.04 | thomasHorse | name servers have nothing to do with interfaces |
| 18:36.10 | jned | thomasHorse, it is being generated. If I edit it, then reboot, it gets overwritten |
| 18:36.22 | n3rV3 | thomasHorse: you could set them up inthe interface file too |
| 18:36.26 | n3rV3 | hold on |
| 18:36.40 | thomasHorse | n3rV3, yes, that's right |
| 18:36.54 | jned | thomasHorse, I tried editing /etc/resolv.conf, but it gets re-written on reboot, and I'm not sure how to make changes take effect |
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| 18:37.15 | thomasHorse | but the proper way to see it is in the resolve.conf because is the os config file for the name resolution |
| 18:37.18 | n3rV3 | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:37.21 | n3rV3 | would do it |
| 18:37.43 | thomasHorse | jned, so you need to find out what is rewriting this file |
| 18:37.48 | jned | n3rV3, yes, but the resolv.conf file get's overwriten when I reboot, and I couldn't get those changes to take effect |
| 18:37.52 | n3rV3 | thomasHorse: hold on |
| 18:37.57 | n3rV3 | jned: wait |
| 18:38.00 | jned | thomasHorse, yes, thats what I am asking |
| 18:38.21 | thomasHorse | what version are you using? |
| 18:38.26 | n3rV3 | jned: do you have network manager or anything similar running? |
| 18:39.02 | thomasHorse | if you use a GUI there must be some network configuration tool |
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| 18:39.41 | jned | It must be the latest version or one version down, not older than that |
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| 18:39.54 | thomasHorse | graphical interface? |
| 18:40.01 | thomasHorse | gnome or KDE or what? |
| 18:40.07 | jned | shell |
| 18:40.31 | thomasHorse | ok, so check in /etc/network/scripts |
| 18:40.49 | thomasHorse | there must be an ifup-eth0 123 whatever is your interface |
| 18:40.50 | n3rV3 | jned: paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:41.22 | jned | n3rV3, I am at home at moment, I'm not on-site, I am going onsite in a couple mins |
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| 18:41.38 | n3rV3 | jned: so you'll be doing this on a server? |
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| 18:41.54 | n3rV3 | i mean to say without any gui? |
| 18:41.59 | jned | n3rV3, its not the server, one of the client machines, but I will be ssh'ing in |
| 18:42.39 | n3rV3 | jned: right and the client machine runs a graphical interface? |
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| 18:44.09 | thomasHorse | if you want to find with a dirty trick try to "grep -R IP_of_DNS /etc" you might find where is the DNS ip that is updating the resolve.conf |
| 18:44.27 | thomasHorse | then, just edit this file |
| 18:45.28 | thomasHorse | also ifup-interface where interface is eth0 or wlan0 depends |
| 18:45.29 | zykotick9 | thomasHorse: fyi, you keep tying resolve.conf, but it's /etc/resolv.conf, no E |
| 18:46.33 | thomasHorse | yes, sorry |
| 18:46.40 | thomasHorse | resolv.conf is correct |
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| 18:49.00 | Monday | instead of using bleachbit to clean the computer, is there is terminal command line i can use? |
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| 18:50.52 | mumpitzel | Monday: to do what exactly? |
| 18:50.56 | n3rV3 | Monday: not that i know of |
| 18:51.40 | n3rV3 | mumpitzel: it deletes caches, sessions etc from all browsers |
| 18:51.44 | jned | n3rV3, yes, but I will be ssh'ing in, I won't be infront of it |
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| 18:52.02 | Monday | basically to clean all unnecessary files from apps and file manager |
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| 18:52.18 | n3rV3 | jned: use "ssh -x <ip address>" |
| 18:52.24 | mumpitzel | then no. and this kind of software is bogus anyways btw |
| 18:53.01 | jned | n3rV3, it actually putty that I will be using |
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| 18:53.29 | jned | My boss has a windows laptop, and he says we need some active x to get into their network |
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| 18:54.08 | jned | so first he runs active x, and then I can putty in |
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| 18:55.34 | jned | thomasHorse, I don't have any /etc/network/scripts on my machine here |
| 18:55.51 | n3rV3 | jned: you need to figure out what the client is using to connect to the network, if its Network Manager, then you'll have to use netcli |
| 18:56.03 | n3rV3 | jned: i don't know much about it though |
| 18:56.27 | jned | its statically assigned, but it doesn't have the nameservers setup |
| 18:56.39 | n3rV3 | statically assigned where? |
| 18:56.52 | n3rV3 | in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 18:57.06 | jned | n3rV3, thats where you do it |
| 18:57.16 | jned | but where do you statically assign nameservers |
| 18:57.22 | n3rV3 | same file |
| 18:57.34 | jned | you just put in nameserver <ip> |
| 18:58.15 | n3rV3 | i am not sure wait |
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| 18:59.43 | rozie | Monday: bleachbit has cli interface too AFAIK |
| 19:00.45 | rozie | Monday: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net/documentation/command-line |
| 19:00.56 | n3rV3 | jned: it should be done like this, add a line below the others for the interface: dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 |
| 19:01.06 | thomasHorse | jned, i think is /etc/networking/scripts but i'm not sure debian uses it, i'm sure is on red hat. try to find for ifup-eth* into the /etc |
| 19:01.33 | n3rV3 | you can change 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to whatever dns ip you want it to reflect to |
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| 19:01.52 | jned | n3rV3, in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:01.55 | n3rV3 | yes |
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| 19:02.15 | jned | n3rV3, thx, can you share the resource, where you got that from too please. |
| 19:02.31 | n3rV3 | hehe, http://askubuntu.com/questions/143819/how-do-i-configure-my-static-dns-in-interfaces |
| 19:02.37 | thomasHorse | for complete reference to network config on debian check this one: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
| 19:02.57 | jned | thx guys, thx thomasHorse , thx n3rV3 ' |
| 19:03.08 | thomasHorse | jned, yw |
| 19:03.17 | n3rV3 | thomasHorse: cool link thx |
| 19:03.42 | thomasHorse | n3rV3, np |
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| 19:05.07 | n3rV3 | bye |
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| 19:05.39 | anarxia | I have chroots for older distributions and they fail with: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 399: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "3.10-2-amd64". Is there a way to report a 2.6.xx version inside a chroot while running a 3.10 kernel? |
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| 19:08.43 | johndo | jned: it may be the resolvconf package which causes your /etc/resolv.conf to be rewritten |
| 19:09.12 | jned | johndo, where is that package located? |
| 19:09.15 | johndo | this also reads the dns entries in network/interfaces afaik, so you may found documentation in that package |
| 19:09.40 | johndo | jned: it's a debian package, check if it's installed with dpkg -s resolvconf |
| 19:09.53 | johndo | (or -l) |
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| 19:11.34 | somiaj | anarxia: I don't think so, could you move it over to a virtual machine? |
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| 19:13.10 | jhutchins | jned: http://csurs7.csr.uky.edu/cgi-bin/man/man2html?8+resolvconf |
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| 19:14.11 | jhutchins | anarxia: No, you can't do that with chroot. |
| 19:14.37 | jhutchins | anarxia: You would need to run a VM instead of chroot, chroot preserves the main system's architecture, kernel, etc. |
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| 19:16.17 | johndo | anarxia: are these older debian distributions in your chroots? up to which distribution they fail with kernel 3.10? |
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| 19:17.33 | anarxia | i figured it out. i used the uname26 tool from kernel.org |
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| 19:18.00 | anarxia | it reports the kernel version as 2.6.50 instead of 3.10 |
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| 19:18.20 | anarxia | i am updating the chroot now. it looks ok. |
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| 19:18.38 | anarxia | thanks |
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| 19:18.55 | jhutchins | anarxia: Wow, that's pretty neat. |
| 19:19.22 | jhutchins | anarxia: So it makes the chroot think the kernel is 2.6 when it's actually a 3.10? |
| 19:19.31 | anarxia | yeap. Apparently there is a kernel personality that does that and the tool sets it. |
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| 19:20.04 | anarxia | so i can run: uname26 <command> and the command (shell in my case) will get a kernel version 2.6.50 |
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| 19:23.50 | fruitFly | i wanna dual boot 7.1 on this xp laptop. should I do "install", expert install, automated install? i want xfce |
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| 19:25.07 | fruitFly | debian has an install option of "alternate environments", what would debian install by default? |
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| 19:26.05 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: you should get a debian install iso with "xfce" in the filename |
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| 19:27.09 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: i don't need xfce but there are options for it in the i386 network install iso.... it gives the option for xfce, but what does it install by default if I don't select xfce? |
| 19:27.18 | Psy-Q | can i use debuild to build an i386 package on amd64? |
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| 19:28.06 | Psy-Q | it seems to complain about a non-native architecture when i try |
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| 19:29.42 | fruitFly | is xfce more lightweight than what default debian? what is default debian? |
| 19:30.25 | digdilem | gnome3 is the default debian desktop, and yeah, xfce is a bit lighter |
| 19:30.47 | digdilem | debian doesn't force you down a particular route so just pick whatever you prefer |
| 19:31.19 | Psy-Q | i think i'll set up a virtual machine to build 32-bit packages |
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| 19:31.24 | Psy-Q | it's a bit tough on 64-bit :\ |
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| 19:34.43 | gnarface | Psy-Q: you have to enable i386 as a foreign architecture in dpkg (check the dpkg man page) but due to multiarch still being broken for some important key graphical libraries, many things are easier to build in a 32-bit chroot, yes. |
| 19:35.11 | gnarface | Psy-Q: you still gotta enable i386 though |
| 19:35.18 | fruitFly | digdilem: during detect network hardware I get the message "missing firware b43/ucode5.fw b43-open/ucode5.fw" |
| 19:35.21 | gnarface | Psy-Q: (and then re-run apt-get update) |
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| 19:37.01 | Brigo | fruitFly: it looks like you neet it. (the firmware) |
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| 19:37.50 | abrotman | only if he wants to use that wifi adapter |
| 19:38.19 | johndo | gnarface: is there a list or overview which libraries are not yet multiarch ready? |
| 19:38.23 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how my university has implemented that i don't have to re-authenticate when i ssh from another server to another |
| 19:38.23 | jater | How do I paste into VirtualBox Debian console? |
| 19:38.37 | johndo | *list available |
| 19:39.45 | Brigo | abrotman: you got me! :-) |
| 19:40.01 | fruitFly | abrotman: Brigo i would like to use the wireless, where do I get it from? can i finish the install from the ethernet cable and just download the wirless firmware? |
| 19:40.24 | Brigo | fruitFly: yes, you can use ethernet if you like |
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| 19:40.46 | Brigo | the firmware usually is in the non-free repository. |
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| 19:41.14 | Brigo | There is a package with all the firmware too. |
| 19:41.21 | fruitFly | abrotman: Brigo and once installed can I just download the wirless firmware? from where? and I want to achieve dual boot on this XP machine, will the 7.1 xfce graphical expert installer facilitate me to do that??? |
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| 19:41.37 | fruitFly | Brigo: and I don't have to pay right? |
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| 19:41.51 | Brigo | fruitFly: no you not have to pay :-) |
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| 19:42.03 | deception | JyZyXEL, host based auth |
| 19:42.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fruitFly about firmware netinst |
| 19:42.27 | deception | JyZyXEL, http://www.snailbook.com/faq/trusted-host-howto.auto.html |
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| 19:43.15 | fruitFly | abrotman: so there's an iso there that contains my wirless firmware? |
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| 19:43.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:43.42 | abrotman | makes life easier |
| 19:44.06 | fruitFly | abrotman: pick iso-cd? I installing from a usb to a laptop? |
| 19:44.24 | fruitFly | abrotman: I alo want to achieve dual boot on this xp machine |
| 19:44.31 | jater | I have a VirtualBox and Windows running, how do I display the web server which is running in VB on Windows? |
| 19:44.44 | jater | I have the same problem with SSH |
| 19:44.57 | jater | I cannot use localhost to SSH into the VB's SSH server |
| 19:45.01 | jater | What do I use? |
| 19:45.17 | abrotman | fruitFly: yes, iso-cd |
| 19:45.29 | abrotman | jater: please stop hitting enter |
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| 19:46.43 | fruitFly | abrotman: can this installer automatically dual boot with xp? |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | fruitFly: if you ask it to, yes |
| 19:47.04 | fruitFly | ok cool |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | fruitFly: the install guide may descrbe this |
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| 19:50.48 | gnarface | johndo: not that i know of, though you could likely put one together from extensive searching of the debian bug tracker; i'll tell you ahead of time though most of the packages will be non-free ones. the most conspicuous issue that comes to mind from recent memory for me is the with some sub-component of the nvidia binary drivers and I think its still unaddressed |
| 19:51.26 | fruitFly | abrotman: could you link me to that guide, i think i might be at the wrong onw |
| 19:51.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fruitFly about ig |
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| 19:53.24 | gnarface | johndo: building in a chroot on a 64-bit host system that has the 32-bit versions of all the conflicting packages instead of the 64-bit ones is the commonly advised workaround |
| 19:53.26 | johndo | gnarface: was afraid of such kind of an answer :) |
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| 19:53.55 | gnarface | johndo: yea, building wine is a p.i.t.a :( |
| 19:54.00 | johndo | gnarface: yes, I have running schroot because of that |
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| 19:58.54 | haus | so when a package conflicts and replaces another package, the policy manual says dpkg will remove the old package. does anyone know if that removal is via remove or purge? |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | haus: i'd think just remove |
| 19:59.29 | mumpitzel | heh. there is a wine-unstable for ppc |
| 19:59.31 | abrotman | haus: i'd be rather upset if i accidentally installed a conflicting package nad it purged my config |
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| 20:00.08 | fruitFly | abrotman: i tried the firmware.iso I get the same error? |
| 20:00.34 | abrotman | same what error? |
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| 20:00.47 | doebi | i am getting Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error. how to fix this? |
| 20:01.02 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: if you have xp installed, it will recognize it and put it into your grub menu, yes. it will all happen automatically |
| 20:01.07 | fruitFly | abrotman: it's saying i need the firmware for my driver |
| 20:01.12 | abrotman | doebi: it's a warning |
| 20:01.18 | abrotman | fruitFly: double check the ISO is the right one |
| 20:01.23 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: for what driver? |
| 20:01.44 | doebi | well i get it on every application i try to run using terminal |
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| 20:01.47 | fruitFly | "missing firmware b43/ucode5.fw b43-open/ucode5.fw" |
| 20:01.50 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: abrotman ^ |
| 20:01.57 | doebi | and i still want to have this fixed |
| 20:02.13 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: ok, for shitty wlan like this, you need firmware |
| 20:02.20 | mumpitzel | !tell fruitFly about b43 |
| 20:02.31 | mumpitzel | the firmware image might not even work for this particular one |
| 20:02.52 | abrotman | fruitFly: looksl ike you used the wrong image |
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| 20:05.21 | [bma] | Hi, does anyone know if there's any issues with the 7.1 netinstall ISO's currently posted? |
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| 20:06.51 | [bma] | Burning them to CD results in apt-cdrom errors, trying to install via a USB results in a big red "Incorrect CDROM Detected" message |
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| 20:07.02 | Neshemah | bye bye lisitsas |
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| 20:07.47 | deception | Anyone own a chromebook? |
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| 20:07.51 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: abrotman I'm confused, can I get the wireless to work on this laptop. It's old and AMD turion 64 processor with 1.5 GB of RAM. I just want a stable OS and install skype on it and maybe magick jack if possible. I was recommended to us i386 because it uses less overhead and would be easier to install software on. What do you think? But I don't know how to get the wireless driver on this machine (wonder if I should just use l |
| 20:07.53 | johndo | [bma]: did you verify the checksums of the images? |
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| 20:08.41 | [bma] | yep, checksum of the ISO is fine. If I verify the disk once it gets to the installer, the disk fails verification at apt-cdrom (burned using two different computers on 2 different types of disk) |
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| 20:08.54 | abrotman | fruitFly: yes, did you use the ISO i said? |
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| 20:09.08 | fruitFly | I did abrotman |
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| 20:09.26 | fruitFly | abrotman: the one at the bottom here? I clicked on that and put it on the usb |
| 20:09.29 | fruitFly | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/ abrotman |
| 20:10.23 | abrotman | that's not an ISO, that's a directory |
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| 20:11.05 | deception | aboman, "the one at the bottom here?" |
| 20:11.21 | deception | Implying the last file in that dir listing |
| 20:11.38 | abrotman | deception: do you need help? |
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| 20:11.56 | [bma] | going to give the 7.0 image a try, think it could be somethng to do with this? http://tickets.opscode.com/browse/BENTO-82 |
| 20:11.58 | abrotman | fruitFly: you should beable to check the ISO for firmware |
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| 20:12.08 | haus | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:12.24 | deception | aboman, No sorry, misread the chat |
| 20:12.25 | fruitFly | abrotman: ok, i'll look. I downloaded the last file in that list. |
| 20:12.32 | johndo | [bma]: verify the checksum of the burned CD, if that's ok and apt-cdrom (repeatedly) fails something may be broken, if the checksum of the CD is wrong, check your burn process/hardware |
| 20:13.01 | abrotman | deception: your client is broken, or you are unable to use tab? |
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| 20:13.07 | fruitFly | abrotman: how do I check the firmwares in the iso |
| 20:13.30 | Monday | !backports |
| 20:13.30 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:14.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fruitFly about mount iso |
| 20:14.22 | Monday | what do i put in my source list for wheezy backports? |
| 20:14.25 | fruitFly | i don't even know how to read an iso abrotman |
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| 20:15.04 | jhutchins | fruitFly: Do you know what chipset you need firmware for? |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | fruitFly: the bot told you |
| 20:15.13 | abrotman | Monday: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:15.34 | fruitFly | jh yes "missing firware b43/ucode5.fw b43-open/ucode5.fw" |
| 20:15.42 | [bma] | johndo: running a check now |
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| 20:15.58 | fruitFly | abrotman: "iso mount is, like, mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>" |
| 20:16.15 | [bma] | but I'd be very surprised if two machines and two different types of disk throw exactly the same error |
| 20:16.28 | fruitFly | abrotman: i'm not sure what that means |
| 20:16.33 | jhutchins | !tell fruitFly about b43 |
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| 20:16.56 | abrotman | fruitFly: tells you how to do it .. it's pretty simple |
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| 20:17.47 | fruitFly | abrotman: what does that do? |
| 20:18.02 | fruitFly | abrotman: that doesn't seem like it would show me the included firmwares? |
| 20:18.44 | jhutchins | fruitFly: You're going to have to use a little brain here. That's how you mount the iso so you can look at it and see what files are on it. Hence the use of the "mount" command. |
| 20:18.55 | abrotman | fruitFly: it sure would |
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| 20:19.04 | Monday | for example is this correct? deb http://mirror.switch.ch.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 20:19.25 | Monday | or... deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian-backports/ wheezy-backports main |
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| 20:21.44 | jhutchins | Monday: read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 20:22.14 | fruitFly | jhutchins: abrotman this pops up http://pastebin.com/8PZfNc18 |
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| 20:22.32 | jhutchins | Monday: When the bot tells you "ask me about <something>" or "see also <something>" you should /msg dpkg something |
| 20:22.50 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 20:22.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:23.04 | jhutchins | fruitFly: pastebin.com is blocked for many users. |
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| 20:24.01 | fruitFly | jhutchins: abrotman http://pastie.org/8298579 |
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| 20:24.58 | gnarface | and thus the point is missed |
| 20:25.05 | fruitFly | so mounting something is just allowing the OS to access storage? and an iso is like a bootable CD so it needs to be mounteD? |
| 20:25.08 | gnarface | fruitFly: use paste.debian.net (there are no ads) |
| 20:25.23 | fruitFly | gnarface: ok |
| 20:25.34 | Monday | jhutchins, so you don't know which one is correct? |
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| 20:26.20 | gnarface | fruitFly: yes, if you strike "bootable" from that sentence and its completely accurate |
| 20:26.32 | gnarface | fruitFly: i mean then it is completely accurate |
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| 20:27.06 | Monday | the backport instructions and the actual mirror url seem to conflict |
| 20:27.31 | blawiz | why isnt openemr in rep? its suggested by med-practice |
| 20:27.32 | gnarface | fruitFly: mounting *anything* that contains a filesystem is how you access the filesystem; only raw access (which you should avoid as an end user except implicitly when fscking) does not require mounting |
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| 20:27.57 | fruitFly | gnarface: ok thanks |
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| 20:28.24 | johndo | Monday: none of them, it has to be something like http://..../debian wheezy-backports |
| 20:28.28 | gnarface | fruitFly: there are various ways to configure auto-mounting though if you don't want to have to deal with it |
| 20:28.44 | gnarface | fruitFly: windows does this, it just doesn't tell you, and doesn't allow you to disable it |
| 20:28.48 | johndo | the switch mirror has some intermediate directories, copy them from your other source list entries |
| 20:29.09 | Monday | or maybe the instructions are just poorly written |
| 20:29.20 | fruitFly | gnarface: i'm look what what firmwares are included in the firmware7.1 iso... i mounted the iso and got the menu I pasted in my previous link, could you help me naviagte to the firmwares? |
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| 20:29.35 | johndo | Monday: the mirror is just special, use a different when you don't like it |
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| 20:30.53 | Monday | johndo, so the second url i posted is the right one? |
| 20:30.53 | gnarface | fruitFly: all i see is a bunch of mount options. maybe i'm looking at the wrong links? |
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| 20:31.30 | fruitFly | gnarface: no that's the right place, maybe i didn't mount propely I used this command: "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop ~/Downloads/firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso" |
| 20:31.41 | johndo | Monday: I don't think so, it should end with /debian (but maybe it also works, try it out) |
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| 20:32.15 | gnarface | fruitFly: that paste looks like it failed to mount. in general when a command in linux spits out its help info; its telling you you that it thinks you used it wrong |
| 20:32.22 | pythonirc101 | There is a room for emdebian? |
| 20:32.33 | fruitFly | gnarface: makes sense, i have no idea hoe to mount this iso.. |
| 20:32.34 | gnarface | fruitFly: the mount command will actually output *nothing* if it succeeds |
| 20:32.35 | ompaul | !emdebian |
| 20:32.35 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:32.48 | pythonirc101 | I just tried apt-get upgrade for wheezy - my current disk usage is 810MB and it only frees up 60MB? Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 20:33.11 | pythonirc101 | ompaul: only one person in that room? |
| 20:33.17 | pythonirc101 | oh oftc! My bad |
| 20:33.26 | ompaul | pythonirc101: and there might only be one person there |
| 20:33.30 | ompaul | or maybe not |
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| 20:34.03 | gnarface | fruitFly: make sure that the 'loop' and 'iso9660' modules are loaded. also make sure the iso image is in fact iso9660 (some newer images are actually UDF now) |
| 20:34.30 | gnarface | fruitFly: i have absolutely no experience with the iso image to which you refer though, sorry |
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| 20:34.33 | fruitFly | gnarface: how do i make sure the modules are loaded, what's a module? |
| 20:34.55 | fruitFly | gnarface: i'm just trying to get this wirless driver for this older laptop... |
| 20:34.55 | johndo | pythonirc101: why do you expect it to free space? my experience rather tells me that new things are mostly larger then the previous version was ;) |
| 20:35.01 | gnarface | fruitFly: a module is just a driver |
| 20:35.25 | Monday | johndo, i just want to make sure it is a safe source |
| 20:35.26 | gnarface | fruitFly: in linux we call them modules not drivers. i dunno why. |
| 20:35.35 | pythonirc101 | johndo: read up on emdebian? :) |
| 20:35.59 | gnarface | fruitFly: lsmod lists currently loaded modules. also unlike windows, most of them do not require a reboot to change. |
| 20:36.08 | johndo | pythonirc101: oh ok, your question also was the wrong channel ... |
| 20:37.00 | fruitFly | gnarface: i don't see those modules |
| 20:37.19 | gnarface | fruitFly: well the expected cause of your problem is typically that you're missing them so i'm not surprised |
| 20:37.21 | johndo | Monday: debian has signed package files, apt will complain when it gets a faked package list |
| 20:37.27 | gnarface | fruitFly: sometimes you just need to manually load them |
| 20:37.30 | pythonirc101 | does anyone have a list of non-essential packages that debian installs ? (Things like virtualbox x11 ... ) |
| 20:37.35 | Monday | johndo, which backports url do you use? |
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| 20:37.44 | fruitFly | gnarface: how do i do that? |
| 20:38.03 | gnarface | fruitFly: well, if they're installed just "modprobe [module name]" |
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| 20:38.28 | johndo | Monday: I use apt-cacher which rewrites urls, so the clients have a different line |
| 20:39.04 | johndo | and I think it uses both, ftp.ch.... and switch, in that order |
| 20:39.15 | gnarface | fruitFly: like "modprobe loop" or "modprobe iso9660" but the fact they're not auto-loaded already is suspicious. if you're using a non-stock or improperly compiled/installed kernel, you may be missing them; but also in that case you may not be missing them, they may be simply statically compiled into your kernel (the fact it doesn't work though suggests you're missing them) |
| 20:39.49 | gnarface | fruitFly: oh. hmmmmm |
| 20:39.54 | johndo | Monday: you may try ftp.ch.debian.org, it has standard directory structure as far as I remember |
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| 20:40.36 | Monday | ok, i'll try http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
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| 20:40.54 | gnarface | fruitFly: also make sure you actually used the command according to the instructions printed out. i'm having trouble finding where you showed me your mount command, but it needs a destination directory and i don't recall seeing you set it |
| 20:41.13 | Monday | why won't they just put that link in the instructions heh |
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| 20:41.48 | gnarface | fruitFly: maybe you just forgot the "/mnt" in "mount -o loop -t iso9660 [whatever].iso /mnt" ? |
| 20:42.01 | fruitFly | gnarface: yes i'll try again |
| 20:42.34 | fruitFly | gnarface: ok done |
| 20:42.40 | pythonirc101 | is there a list of packages for a minimal install of debian? I installed the debian base + ssh server, and I see a lot of packages that are non-essential. virtualbox*, cpp, gcc, make, patch, etc. |
| 20:42.45 | gnarface | fruitFly: mount only allows you to omit target directory if it finds a matching source and path in /etc/fstab |
| 20:42.46 | jhutchins | fruitFly: http://www.debian.org/doc/ http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
| 20:43.23 | fruitFly | jhutchins: thanks |
| 20:43.25 | johndo | Monday: "For wheezy add this line: deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main", what's so hard with filling the (official) mirror into that line? |
| 20:43.42 | jhutchins | fruitFly: I'll give you this: at least you're trying. |
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| 20:44.38 | deego | Unfortunate, confusing names for volatile and security updates: wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates |
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| 20:45.41 | Monday | they should have just simply put "deb YOURMIRROR wheezy-backports main" |
| 20:46.19 | gnarface | to be fair, its 20fucking13, mount could give distinct errors for "you're missing that filesystem driver" from "syntax error" |
| 20:46.29 | haus | okay, follow up question. does anyone know a setting for apt that will make conflicts get resolved by a purge instead of a remove, or a setting to make the default remove action purge? |
| 20:46.31 | gnarface | but whatever |
| 20:46.51 | Monday | its like they purposely make things more complicated for you lol |
| 20:47.55 | jhutchins | Monday: There are different teams involvevd, they don't always coordinate perfectly. |
| 20:48.10 | jhutchins | Monday: Remember, this is all done by volunteers. |
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| 20:50.05 | johndo | haus: check the apt(-get) documentation, purge "true" should do the job |
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| 20:56.25 | Marenz | Hi |
| 20:56.39 | pythonirc101 | Anyone has a list of non-essential packages for debian base install? |
| 20:56.45 | haus | johndo: thanks |
| 20:56.53 | deego | haus: --purge |
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| 20:57.47 | pythonirc101 | deego: was that for me? |
| 20:57.52 | pythonirc101 | ah no - it was for haus. Sorry |
| 20:58.33 | jhutchins | pythonirc101: There's a minimal install that should be pretty stripped. |
| 20:58.52 | jhutchins | pythonirc101: Ultimately it's YOU who must decide which packages are essential and which aren't. |
| 20:59.32 | jhutchins | pythonirc101: I consider ssh, vim-nox, and screen essential, but you might not. |
| 20:59.36 | Marenz | I am using the following pam_exec script & config to mount my home, but it doesn't work, it never receives the typed password, calling the script by hand and entering it works, even as normal user. Ideas? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2972970 |
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| 20:59.58 | nop | pythonirc101: if u really need a pretty sized distro try LFS |
| 21:00.11 | Marenz | I am using Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy) on amd64 |
| 21:00.20 | jhutchins | Marenz: It's probably easier to use autofs than pam. |
| 21:01.06 | Marenz | jhutchins, I need to use my pw to decrypt the partition though |
| 21:02.41 | jhutchins | Marenz: Sorry, don't know the crypt tools well enough to help you. |
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| 21:03.08 | Marenz | well, just assume the crypt works, I outputed the pw to a file that was entered just to see whether it is received and the file was empty (and it wasn't empty when I called it by hand) |
| 21:03.14 | Marenz | jhutchins, ^ |
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| 21:08.56 | Monday | johndo, jhutchins, i followed the instructions and tried the mirrors they are outdated |
| 21:09.40 | Monday | those instructions are only for squeeze and not wheezy, i found this http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130320 |
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| 21:13.24 | Monday | i can't believe it too over an hour just to install the backports archive lol |
| 21:14.24 | johndo | Monday: that's exactly what I copied for you from the backports home page (just with the little .ch to fill in for you between ftp and .debian.org) |
| 21:14.34 | johndo | Monday: sometimes it helps to read |
| 21:16.50 | Marenz | well, I wrote a forum post now: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=107076 |
| 21:16.58 | Marenz | maybe that will attract some help |
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| 21:18.07 | pythonirc101 | anyone installed debian here recently? Keeping size of install in mind? |
| 21:18.23 | Marenz | pythonirc101, I installed like 2 weeks ago |
| 21:18.44 | pythonirc101 | Marenz: were you trying to install a minimum size debian by any chance? |
| 21:18.53 | Marenz | you mean my install source? |
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| 21:19.00 | pythonirc101 | Marenz: My network minimal install is taking 800MB+! |
| 21:19.06 | Marenz | or just the size of the installation? |
| 21:19.16 | pythonirc101 | Am trying to minimize the size of install |
| 21:19.35 | Marenz | pythonirc101, just to be clear: the size of the installer or of the installed system? |
| 21:19.41 | pythonirc101 | installed syste |
| 21:19.46 | pythonirc101 | installed system |
| 21:20.04 | Marenz | hmm I root is already 6.4 gb |
| 21:20.13 | Marenz | I already installed too much stuff, sorry |
| 21:21.34 | Monday | Marenz, i had the same problem accessing my encrypted Ubuntu home folder, so what i did was use a ubuntu liveCD o my paraphrase and keys which thankfully worked heh |
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| 21:23.04 | Marenz | Monday, I can login as root and call the script, so I can get to my data |
| 21:23.05 | Monday | when i was trying to multi boot with debian, debian installer formated without partitioning out free space, so thankfully i was able to fix the partition |
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| 21:23.22 | Marenz | I just wish it would work automatically with pam |
| 21:23.27 | Marenz | so I am not in any emergency situation |
| 21:23.35 | Marenz | just a very unpleasant one if you want to be lazy |
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| 21:25.12 | rryoumaa | if i do aptitude install mypackage, it says couldn't find mypackage and then shows packages with mypackage in the name. why does it say that twice? |
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| 21:27.20 | Monday | Marenz, maybe it didn't mount properly |
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| 21:31.13 | fruitFly | how do I know which kernel to install? |
| 21:31.58 | fruitFly | 3.2, 486, 686? this is an old laptop, AMD turion 64 processor with 1.5GB of memory--installing i386 network iso |
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| 21:33.27 | fruitFly | : 3.2.0-4-486, 3.2.0-4-686-pae, 486, 686-pae ... which kernel to install? |
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| 21:35.23 | michaelis_ | Hi. When will MariaDB be part of debian repository? |
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| 21:37.49 | fruitFly | using an AMD Turion 64 process with 1.5 GB of ram... OLD laptop... which kernel to install: 3.2.0-4-486, 3.2.0-4-686-pae, 486, 686-pae? |
| 21:38.06 | fruitFly | or does it not matter now because I can always chenge the kernel later?? |
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| 21:38.28 | bernat | fruitFly, -amd64, you can change it later |
| 21:39.00 | fruitFly | bernat: i'm installing i386, which kernel to install though |
| 21:39.14 | bernat | fruitFly, amd64 |
| 21:39.21 | gnarface | fruitFly: bernat is right but you should have installed amd64 |
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| 21:39.48 | fruitFly | gnarface: why? i though it would use more memory than i386? |
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| 21:40.05 | gnarface | fruitFly: it will but it will be faster anyway |
| 21:41.22 | fruitFly | gnarface: bernat only webbrowsing and skype will be used on this machine i think it might be negligible, not sure though. but i've already installed the base system of i386 and it's asking me which kernelt to choose, the choices are: |
| 21:41.37 | gnarface | fruitFly: amd64 is about more than just having more ram. i386 can't use the full range of features of your core chip; it will just treat it like a really fast Pentium III |
| 21:41.37 | fruitFly | 3.2.0-4-486, 3.2.0-4-686-pae, 486, 686-pae? |
| 21:41.47 | bernat | fruitFly, can you installamd64??? |
| 21:41.51 | bernat | fruitFly, can you install amd64??? |
| 21:41.54 | fruitFly | no |
| 21:41.57 | bernat | why? |
| 21:42.20 | gnarface | fruitFly: then it doesn't actually matter |
| 21:42.25 | fruitFly | choices from the i386 installer: linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 |
| 21:42.27 | fruitFly | ... |
| 21:42.33 | gnarface | fruitFly: if you don't care about listening to our advice, absolutely nothing you chose instead matters |
| 21:42.35 | james41382 | Is WiMax supported? I am trying to find information on configuring WiMax, but there doesn't seem to be much other than the firmware files for it. |
| 21:42.39 | fruitFly | all those above separated by commas start with linux image |
| 21:43.34 | fruitFly | gnarface: I care, I will probably wipe the whole hard drive and do this all over to do it better and solidify my understanding of things. but for now i've already written to disk i386 in the little freespace i've got left |
| 21:43.38 | bernat | oh well, if the installer doesn't give you that option you can install it later, although any kernel would be good enough |
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| 21:44.35 | jelly-home | fruitFly: which cpu does the machine have? |
| 21:44.40 | johndo | fruitFly: use 686-pae for now, you can install the amd64 kernel later if you want |
| 21:44.52 | fruitFly | jelly-home: AMD turion(tm) 64 |
| 21:44.59 | fruitFly | Mobile |
| 21:45.01 | fruitFly | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 21:45.03 | jelly-home | fruitFly: use the amd64 kernel then |
| 21:45.34 | fruitFly | jelly-home: i'll have to do that manually because there was no otion for it on this i386 install |
| 21:45.34 | johndo | jelly-home: I guess the i386 installer does not have an amd64 kernel ;) |
| 21:45.38 | bernat | fruitFly, sorted from best to not so best, amd64 > 686 > 486 |
| 21:45.46 | jelly-home | johndo: it ought to |
| 21:45.48 | gnarface | fruitFly: those kernels should all work for you and nothing should actually matter. as far as i know they'll all be EXACTLY as much slower than the amd64 one would be on a native amd64 install in the exact same ways. if you had more than 4GB of ram the -pae ones would be able to address all of it and the 486 one wouldn't, but since you don't thats irrelevant. |
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| 21:46.06 | jelly-home | fruitFly: oh well, 686-pae it is then |
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| 21:46.21 | johndo | jelly-home: oh, haven't installed a system from CD in a while :) |
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| 21:51.26 | fruitFly | jelly-home: johndo bernat gnarface should I install amd64 instead of i386 because it will run smoother because it's optimized for this processor? will i have to enable multiarch to put skype on amd64? |
| 21:51.34 | fruitFly | Thank you guys very much :) |
| 21:53.02 | jelly-home | fruitFly: it will not run significantly different, and yes you'll have to enable multiarch |
| 21:53.02 | gnarface | fruitFly: you should install amd64 so you don't disable more than half the transistors and cpu instructions in your cpu |
| 21:53.23 | jelly-home | fruitFly: with that limited amount of memory, I'd still recommend i386 |
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| 21:53.47 | gnarface | fruitFly: it will make almost no difference benchmarking in day-to-day use, but it will matter with performance-intensive 64-bit programs |
| 21:53.48 | bernat | agrees with jelly-home |
| 21:54.16 | gnarface | disagrees with jelly-home and thinks thats harmful misinformation to spread to noobs |
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| 21:54.49 | fruitFly | wow the confusion |
| 21:54.52 | jelly-home | gnarface: it's an old laptop going to be used for laptop purposes |
| 21:55.10 | fruitFly | for web browsing and skype, and magick jack if I can get it on it |
| 21:55.34 | fruitFly | i want to dual boot it beside windows just incase the folks want to install some windows app easily or something |
| 21:55.44 | jelly-home | if it had more RAM, I'd say pick whatever |
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| 21:56.01 | fruitFly | 1.5 GB ram, AMD turian(tm) 64 processor 1.7 Ghz |
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| 21:59.17 | johndo | voting, voting, yay :D |
| 21:59.29 | bernat | as you can see there's no consense about what's better, if you can try both and decide for yourself. While amd64 may run faster for multimedia intensive apps, it also consumes a bit more ram and wastes some cpu cache space |
| 21:59.30 | johndo | votes for i386 |
| 21:59.56 | johndo | limited memory, less trouble with multiarch as the main purpose seems to run 32bit applications |
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| 22:00.06 | fruitFly | ok once this i386 is full installed should I download the amd64 kernel though? |
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| 22:01.36 | bernat | fruitFly, I would install the amd64 kernel for i386 |
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| 22:02.22 | fruitFly | bernat: ookie |
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| 22:02.57 | johndo | yes, the differences are probably hardly to recognize |
| 22:03.25 | johndo | I also would try the amd64 kernel, but oyu can decide that later after your installation |
| 22:03.33 | gnarface | in 99% of cases there will be no difference. in that last 1% of cases there will be complete failure or at least dramatically lower performance |
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| 22:04.42 | fommil | hi all. I'm trying to "cross compile" for 32bit i686 on 64 bit wheezy. The libs I want to link against are not available in 32bit mode. Where can I get some? |
| 22:04.51 | fommil | (e.g. the .deb file for 32 bit wheezy) |
| 22:05.45 | gnarface | fommil: check the dpkg manpage for --add-architecture |
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| 22:06.12 | gnarface | fommil: (you'll have to apt-get update again after adding i386) |
| 22:06.19 | jelly-home | gnarface: sometimes, i386 works better, I've had such workloads on a desktop machine. 32bit perl can eat half the RAM; 32bit browsers can allocate half the VSS and use up to 15%-ish less RSS |
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| 22:08.44 | jelly-home | gnarface: try saving a healthy 20-50 tab session in firefox and opening it in both i386 vs amd64 builds |
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| 22:10.06 | gnarface | jelly-home: but in the very rare extreme corner cases where that memory savings amounts to actually quicker time to finish the job, the 32-bit version is still an option to run on amd64 bit install. the converse is not true. therefore amd64 install is overall fastest and most versatile |
| 22:10.26 | jelly-home | the difference between a browser using 300 vs 500MB RSS can be the difference between a working and a swapping machine |
| 22:10.42 | gnarface | swapping != broken |
| 22:10.50 | jelly-home | no, swapping = slower |
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| 22:10.57 | gnarface | and most people *don't* save 50 tab browser sessions |
| 22:11.05 | gnarface | that's a contrived circumstance |
| 22:11.08 | jelly-home | I have ~100 |
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| 22:11.38 | gnarface | there's only room to display meaningful text on them at most resolutions if you have less than about 10 |
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| 22:12.05 | jelly-home | vertical tabs and 3 windows |
| 22:12.20 | gnarface | i'm skepitcal thats even true |
| 22:12.29 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 22:12.32 | gnarface | but i'm sure you're in contention for some sort of record |
| 22:12.56 | gnarface | also i'm sure a machine with only 1.5GB of ram will never make it to 100 iceweasel tabs |
| 22:13.12 | jelly-home | not on amd64 it won't |
| 22:13.18 | gnarface | not on anything |
| 22:13.19 | jordanm | my phone has more RAM that that |
| 22:13.39 | jelly-home | gnarface: I had 60-ish tabs on the previous 2GB machine |
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| 22:13.52 | gnarface | not without swap you didn't |
| 22:14.08 | gnarface | not unless most of them were blank |
| 22:14.13 | gnarface | (no url loaded) |
| 22:14.24 | ragnul | hmm, is doc-base 0.10.5 calling some unknown function a known dependency bug? |
| 22:14.39 | ragnul | Undefined subroutine &main::InstallDocsMain called at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 384. |
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| 22:15.01 | jelly-home | gnarface: firefox didn't have lazy loading in 2009-2010 |
| 22:15.06 | jordanm | ragnul: if its known, it will be on the bug site |
| 22:15.35 | ragnul | jordanm: yeah, and aptitude would have told me about it before installing the package... :) |
| 22:15.39 | jelly-home | saved sessions show 30-80 tabs in that periods |
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| 22:15.59 | ragnul | looks like it's not a dep bug, just a totally bad package... |
| 22:16.13 | johndo | gnarface: when you ran mixed 64bit and 32bit applications you have to load all shared libs twice (for both architectures) on a system where memory probably already is the limiting part |
| 22:16.34 | jelly-home | johndo: not all the libs, just the ones for the apps loaded |
| 22:16.51 | gnarface | johndo: no, only if you're running 32 and 64-bit versions of programs in parallel |
| 22:16.59 | ragnul | can't fathom how it would get into testing in this state... |
| 22:17.16 | fruitFly | the installer in the package manager config asked me if i wanted to configure something for pay software and then it asked me if i wanted to configure something dependent on pay software i think... i think it might have been cron software or something, anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 22:17.16 | gnarface | johndo: yes, you're right that's a real limitation if you need to for some reason run 32 and 64-bit versions of galculator in parallel |
| 22:18.03 | gnarface | fruitFly: you mean contrib and non-free ? that just means software that's not open source. you won't be charged. |
| 22:18.31 | johndo | gnarface: yes, but that's the case when you have a 64bit X session running and start a 32bit graphics program on that, several (not so small) libraries loaded twice |
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| 22:19.30 | fruitFly | gnarface: i think i clicked no for contrib :| ... what does that mean? i have no package manager? |
| 22:19.33 | gnarface | johndo: if your sole purpose for this system is to run wine then the i386 install is arguably superior currently, due to complications in multiarch already mentioned... but keep in mind *compiling* wine will probably be a lot slower on an i386 install... |
| 22:19.47 | codepython777 | I just installed the minimal debian base system using netinstall CD = approx 500MB installed suze. Is this normal? Are there any plans to do something about this size? |
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| 22:20.20 | gnarface | fruitFly: no, mostly it just means you have no OEM drivers/firmware, or stuff that relies on proprietary protocols/libraries |
| 22:20.39 | bernat | codepython777, what do you mean? |
| 22:20.41 | gnarface | fruitFly: its not hard to re-enable after install, don't worry |
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| 22:21.43 | johndo | codepython777: dependency hell :), guess to clean that up a bit will be a job for sisyphus |
| 22:22.05 | fruitFly | gnarface: ok thanks |
| 22:22.16 | fruitFly | gnarface: what's a library again |
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| 22:22.37 | gnarface | fruitFly: in linux when they say "library" they mean the linux equivalent of a windows *.dll file |
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| 22:22.50 | codepython777 | johndo: 100Mb unit test required? |
| 22:22.55 | fruitFly | gnarface: which is? |
| 22:22.56 | gnarface | fruitFly: its non-executable binary content that an executable binary relies on |
| 22:23.01 | porton | Can I add speech recognition to Iceweasel? |
| 22:23.20 | gnarface | fruitFly: so like, your favorite video game relies on the openGL "library" |
| 22:23.35 | codepython777 | is there an essential list of packages somewhere? |
| 22:24.37 | fruitFly | gnarface: what is a binary? an app in binary? |
| 22:24.59 | gnarface | codepython777: no, every package is supposed to be dependency-aware. there are meta-packages like build-essential though that might be the type of thing you're looking for |
| 22:25.00 | johndo | codepython777: no, the problem is that it's much easier to simply add yet another dependency than to clean up structures, so so each release gets more and more and more complex dependencies |
| 22:25.06 | fruitFly | gnarface: most basic language the OS understands? |
| 22:25.14 | bernat | !tell codepython777 -about essential |
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| 22:26.19 | gnarface | fruitFly: a binary is like the windows equivalent of a .exe file. its an executable binary file in the most basic language the *machine* understands. |
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| 22:27.28 | gnarface | fruitFly: be careful though "binary" is a generic term that can also apply to non-executable data content like graphics, music, or video |
| 22:27.31 | Mackbet | http://www.neobux.com/?r=Mackbeth |
| 22:28.02 | codepython777 | gnarface: is there a command that can remove all packages except the essential ones? |
| 22:28.20 | gnarface | codepython777: note: essential != required |
| 22:28.37 | codepython777 | gnarface: ah ok. I need the ones that can allow a login, and let bash run + apt-get to work |
| 22:28.44 | gnarface | codepython777: the command "apt-get autoremove" should remove everything that isn't currently required that you didn't also manually request |
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| 22:29.21 | johndo | codepython777: deborphan also is helpfull in finding unneeded packages |
| 22:29.24 | gnarface | codepython777: if you're trying to uninstall everything except the base install that's more complicated. i've seen an aptitude 1-liner for it but i don't recall it off hand |
| 22:29.25 | codepython777 | gnarface: autoremove removed 142 kb ! :( |
| 22:29.45 | bernat | codepython777, you want to customize your install, right? Just use apt or aptitude to remove everything you don't need |
| 22:30.19 | codepython777 | bernat: dpkg -l | wc -l = 169 packages! |
| 22:30.27 | johndo | codepython777: and of course --without-recommends or whatever the option is on apt-get (but I guess you already have used that) |
| 22:30.32 | codepython777 | Too much to go thru manually and clean it up |
| 22:30.46 | gnarface | codepython777: haha you whine like a mule. dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 22:30.46 | gnarface | 2760 |
| 22:30.54 | codepython777 | My install is currently at 445MB |
| 22:31.05 | codepython777 | I would love to get down to 100MB |
| 22:31.11 | gnarface | the installer is over 300 |
| 22:31.12 | johndo | codepython777: when you are brave: apt-get purge `deborphan --guess-all` :) |
| 22:31.25 | codepython777 | johndo: dont think i have deborphan |
| 22:31.26 | bernat | codepython777, not too much, I would review that list in aptitude in under a minute |
| 22:31.43 | codepython777 | bernat: no aptitude here |
| 22:31.44 | gnarface | codepython777: you're crazy but i admire your resolve. note though that you probably won't be able to get debian down to much less than 310MB and still have debian. |
| 22:31.49 | johndo | codepython777: you won't, not without starting to delete on file level, but then you will lose update mechanism |
| 22:32.08 | codepython777 | gnarface: I even tried emdebian ! Still at 450MB |
| 22:32.19 | codepython777 | The claim is that emdebian grip can goto 60MB |
| 22:33.18 | gnarface | codepython777: in most cases at this point, its cheaper for you to spend your time working to earn the money to buy more storage than to try to get debian to fit into less storage than that. if you can't find at least 5GB you'll find your debian experience very limited. |
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| 22:34.06 | codepython777 | gnarface: This is a small machine that i need to ship to others. Every MB saved is a MB saved on download |
| 22:34.11 | gnarface | codepython777: i've successfully run debian well in 1GB but much below that even basic operations like updates become seriously hampered |
| 22:34.53 | codepython777 | emdebian claims to be installable < 100MB - apt-get upgrade takes it don by only 50MB or so |
| 22:34.59 | codepython777 | so no luck there as well |
| 22:35.10 | codepython777 | I've not tried the debbootstrap route thou |
| 22:35.26 | gnarface | i've been trying for almost 5 years to figure out how to install emdebian, but i still can't even find what appears to be documentation for the process |
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| 22:35.35 | bernat | codepython777, have you run apt-cache clean? |
| 22:35.38 | gnarface | debootstrap is one of my best friends on the job |
| 22:37.04 | johndo | codepython777: there are other distributions which are specially designed for small size which are probably better suited for your needs |
| 22:37.35 | gnarface | yea, damnsmalllinux is even based on debian |
| 22:37.42 | codepython777 | bernat: apt-get clean/autoclean you meant? That got me down to 407MB, thanks. |
| 22:37.45 | gnarface | though its unsupported here and i think also they stopped at kernel 2.4 |
| 22:37.53 | codepython777 | johndo: Any that are based on wheezy? |
| 22:38.20 | gnarface | heh. that brings up a good point for jelly-home too; considered running a 2.4 kernel? i bet you'd save even more ram.... |
| 22:38.47 | codepython777 | gnarface: I need to run python inside the machine. Which of course I've not even tried yet. Just optimizing the base OS yet. |
| 22:39.21 | bernat | codepython777, yeah, optimize it so you can later unoptimize it |
| 22:39.31 | codepython777 | so linux kernel 3.11 = large size and no hope? |
| 22:39.36 | johndo | codepython777: I don't know, it has been years ago I had to shrink a linux system to fit onto a 64MB CF card and still keep space for data collection |
| 22:39.50 | johndo | I haven't used one of the small distros in a long time |
| 22:39.53 | codepython777 | bernat: Unfortunately, yes. |
| 22:40.01 | codepython777 | johndo: that would be nice with a new kernel, yes :) |
| 22:40.59 | jelly-home | gnarface: wheezy userspace requires 2.6.30 |
| 22:41.41 | bernat | codepython777, I would install aptitude, then use it to mark all packages from removal, mark essential packages for installation, then mark the bare minumum packages you want for installation, remove aptitude |
| 22:41.52 | bernat | from=for |
| 22:42.04 | gnarface | jelly-home: yea but damnsmalllinux userspace doesn't, was my point. |
| 22:42.43 | johndo | codepython777: the funniest thing was dpkg which wanted me to literally type in a complete sentense, something like "Yes, I know what I'm doing. Do what I say!" as I tried to remove a package |
| 22:42.53 | johndo | after that the system was dead :) |
| 22:42.55 | gnarface | jelly-home: once you're running an i386 kernel on purpose on amd64 hardware you can easily argue a 2.6 kernel is entirely a waste for the same reasons |
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| 22:43.01 | bernat | codepython777, I forgot, after marking all those packages you had to do an update |
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| 22:49.07 | Eng_Ameer | j |
| 22:49.24 | dimitry7 | how can I see free PCI or PCIe slots are free in Debian? |
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| 22:49.38 | abrotman | dimitry7: open the case and look |
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| 22:50.04 | dimitry7 | abrotman, is there a command? |
| 22:50.12 | johndo | dimitry7: lshw or hwinfo may help |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | you can command a tech |
| 22:50.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dimitry7 about whats my hardware |
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| 22:51.02 | dimitry7 | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:51.08 | dimitry7 | johndo, how does it have to say |
| 22:51.17 | abrotman | dimitry7: try it and see |
| 22:51.24 | dimitry7 | :S |
| 22:51.29 | abrotman | dimitry7: read the man page, learn for yourself. stop badgering people here |
| 22:51.57 | Overv | how do I get sudoedit on wheezy? bash reports that it doesn't exist, but nobody else seems to have that problem |
| 22:52.05 | abrotman | Overv: use visudo |
| 22:52.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Overv about apt-file |
| 22:52.16 | terminator14 | hey guys |
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| 22:52.28 | terminator14 | I'm giving Wheezy a try, but my keyboard's Volume Up and Volume Down buttons appear to be controlling the volume on the wrong device. Anyone know where I can set the audio device that these keys control? |
| 22:52.44 | Eng_Ameer | grrds |
| 22:53.07 | fommil | hi all, I'm compiling against a library that has a .so and a .so.3 symbolic link. I'd like to link against the .so (and not the .so.3) for compatibility with other linux distros. How can I force that with the linker flags? |
| 22:53.28 | fommil | (I'm on wheezy 64 bit) |
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| 22:54.38 | bernat | terminator14, are you using Gnome? |
| 22:54.56 | terminator14 | bernat: mate (Gnome 2) |
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| 22:56.06 | abrotman | terminator14: there is no MATE in Debian |
| 22:56.07 | bernat | terminator14, that's not supported here, but if you're using pulseaudio you should be able to open the sound panel and change the device there |
| 22:56.14 | cafuego | fommil: the linker will link against the library, not the filename the library is in. |
| 22:56.19 | abrotman | terminator14: you should ask the channel for your distro |
| 22:56.39 | fommil | cafuego: apparently -l:libblas.so will work |
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| 22:57.00 | cafuego | fommil: ldso sorts out those names and would grab the right file redgardless |
| 22:57.34 | fommil | cafuego: but it doesn't. it links to libblas.so.3, not libblas.so. That link doesn't exist on ubuntu systems, for example |
| 22:57.53 | terminator14 | abrotman: Not by default, but it's easy enough to install. I bet the problem is exactly the same in the default gnome too though (I didn't check) |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | terminator14: we can't verify what packages your choices have overwritten |
| 22:58.36 | abrotman | terminator14: ask the channel for your distro |
| 22:58.49 | terminator14 | abrotman: my distro is Debian 7... |
| 22:59.02 | terminator14 | bernat: thanks i'll try that |
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| 22:59.34 | abrotman | terminator14: Debian 7 does not have MATE, nor will it. We cannot possibly know how you've screwed up your system with an unsupported pile of packages |
| 22:59.36 | terminator14 | bernat: i actually did, but i think if I switch to the gnome desktop environment, it has it's own tool for sound management that might let me do it |
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| 23:00.21 | bernat | terminator14, that's pulseaudio |
| 23:00.29 | terminator14 | abrotman: my point is that there is no "other distro". I'm using debian 7. I realize that Mate overwrites stuff - i'm just not sure if this is because of mate, or would have happened regardless. |
| 23:00.43 | terminator14 | bernat: is pulseaudio the default that comes with Wheezy? |
| 23:00.58 | bernat | yes |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | terminator14: My point is that oyu're no longer running Debian |
| 23:01.13 | fommil | cafuego: darn, the -l:libblas.so advice from SO didn't work |
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| 23:01.35 | abrotman | this would be so much easier if people would just admit that gnome2/mate is dead and move on with life |
| 23:01.39 | terminator14 | abrotman: ya, but the Debian IRC channel is the closest to what I'm running (unless there's a mate channel - i didn't check) |
| 23:01.54 | abrotman | terminator14: yes, there is a mate channel |
| 23:01.56 | terminator14 | bernat: thanks - ill try that |
| 23:02.03 | terminator14 | abrotman: k, good to know |
| 23:02.03 | abrotman | #mate on this network no less |
| 23:02.07 | Overv | @abrotman: Thanks, turned out I didn't even have sudo installed |
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| 23:02.45 | bernat | Overv, lol |
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| 23:03.12 | Overv | I guess that's what you get for logging in as root every time |
| 23:04.08 | abrotman | Overv: you don't really need it |
| 23:05.09 | Overv | abrotman: you mean logging in as root to do things? because I recently changed by making an actually restricted user :p |
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| 23:06.42 | abrotman | Overv: no, you're supposed to login as a normal user (and use su if you need root privs) |
| 23:06.55 | Overv | abrotman: yeah, I do that now |
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| 23:07.12 | abrotman | thus, you don't need sudo, but many are used to it now |
| 23:07.16 | Overv | it only has access to the user folder and the web server root |
| 23:08.07 | MariusD | So.. it seems to me as if Linux Mint Debian is essentially debian with all the bells and whistles that the mint project puts in its distributions? |
| 23:08.40 | cafuego | Yup, and probanbly an inability to upgrade to the next version of Mint Ubuntu was anything to go by |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | MariusD: ask them, not us |
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| 23:13.01 | cafuego | fommil: Ubuntu hasa retarded internal name for that lib. It also doesn't have libblas.so |
| 23:13.21 | fommil | cafuego: yes it does |
| 23:14.08 | cafuego | fommil: looking at it now on 12.04 and it's not here, only libblas.so.3gf -> libblas.so.3gf.0 |
| 23:14.35 | fommil | cafuego what's that release codenamed? |
| 23:14.38 | fommil | i'm on precise |
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| 23:14.49 | cafuego | Yes, same one. |
| 23:14.52 | fommil | cafuego: also, are you sure you have the libblas3 installed? |
| 23:14.56 | fommil | (or one of the alts) |
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| 23:15.06 | cafuego | libblas3gf |
| 23:15.54 | jviotti | How can I see documentation for a C library development header that I installed with apt-get? |
| 23:15.57 | fommil | cafuego: you should probably have libblas3 for the link |
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| 23:16.17 | cafuego | jviotti: usually 'man functionname' |
| 23:16.19 | peterrooney | jviotti: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 23:16.21 | jviotti | It's libjson0-dev. man json gives documentation about perl bindings |
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| 23:17.08 | cafuego | fommil: Nope, definitely not. I have /usr/lib/libblas/libblas.so.3gf.0 (file) and /usr/lib/libblas/libblas.so.3gf (link) and /usr/lib/libblas.so.3gf (link) and that's it. |
| 23:17.49 | cafuego | The latter link was created by ldconfig; the other one is in the package. |
| 23:17.59 | fommil | cafuego: which ubuntu distro? |
| 23:18.03 | cafuego | Same as yours |
| 23:18.15 | cafuego | Anyway, that's kind of not at all on topic here |
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| 23:18.51 | fommil | cafuego: then you're missing a package, because I have it. I'll hunt down the package name for my end users to know what to install |
| 23:19.00 | cafuego | fommil: libblas-dev i expect |
| 23:19.18 | fommil | cafuego: cool |
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| 23:19.37 | cafuego | checks |
| 23:20.03 | cafuego | update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/libblas/libblas.so to provide /usr/lib/libblas.so (libblas.so) in auto mode. |
| 23:20.07 | cafuego | Indeed |
| 23:20.37 | cafuego | fommil: But that implies your app won't run with only the runtime lib (and not the dev one) installed. |
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| 23:21.53 | fommil | cafuego: I wonder if it's the same on debain |
| 23:22.02 | nmpro | have a good night everyone! |
| 23:22.05 | cafuego | debain? |
| 23:22.13 | cafuego | Dammit bots, wake up! |
| 23:22.35 | fommil | cafuego: it's fine if I force ubuntu folk to install the dev version, they should use a real distro anyway :-P |
| 23:22.58 | cafuego | fommil: You mean, it's fine for your package to depend on the library dev package? |
| 23:23.12 | fommil | cafuego: i'm not distributing as a package |
| 23:23.20 | fommil | but, yes, implicitly |
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| 23:26.19 | fommil | cafuego: you know what, screw ubuntu users… they can f**k their systems and create symlinks as root. |
| 23:27.22 | cafuego | Or you could provide a apckage that checks and does it for them. |
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| 23:27.58 | darsie | should I install openoffice.org or libreoffice? |
| 23:28.09 | Vicissitude | libre... always libre |
| 23:28.13 | darsie | thx |
| 23:30.45 | bernat | darsie, openoffice isn't in Debian |
| 23:30.50 | abrotman | darsie: the one that you have available via packages |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | bernat: in squeeze it is |
| 23:31.17 | darsie | Ohh, then it must be from debian.multimedia.org or so. |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | probably not |
| 23:31.49 | abrotman | there are transitional packages in wheezy, but they'll just pull in libreoffice |
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| 23:32.15 | darsie | k |
| 23:33.17 | bernat | oh, I meant in current Debian, |
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| 23:33.31 | abrotman | squeeze is technically still supported |
| 23:33.38 | abrotman | and wheezy has packages named "openoffice" |
| 23:34.53 | bernat | touché |
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