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| 00:02.00 | ksdncv | btw, which method would you recommend to make a new install from old one without cdrom drive? cdebootstrap is the only way? |
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| 00:02.58 | darsie | I'd run netinstall from grub. |
| 00:03.35 | darsie | It's a little tricky, though to find the right kernel/initrd and install them. |
| 00:04.24 | darsie | But that may be my choice cause I don't know better. |
| 00:04.28 | ksdncv | sounds interesting, last time tried with cdebootstrap, but had to reboot a few times into the original install because forgot some important packages |
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| 00:05.16 | ksdncv | like forgetting network to continue install |
| 00:06.40 | darsie | I also did a remote debian install, but it took me several attempts to get it right, which was only possible because the server wasn't very remote :). |
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| 00:07.21 | ksdncv | distance is not a problem, server pc is right below work pc |
| 00:08.16 | ksdncv | the problem is that have no cdrom drives, and forgot where did place the drive used 7 or more years ago |
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| 00:09.19 | eciv | is there a way to do rpm -ql <package> on debian? it lists which files were installed where by package |
| 00:09.20 | darsie | this might be the URL of the images: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 00:09.51 | ksdncv | oh, just noticed was being stupid again, there is a much easier way |
| 00:10.02 | ksdncv | download netinst as usual and run it within kvm |
| 00:10.17 | darsie | But maybe you don't want to install i386 |
| 00:10.53 | ksdncv | eciv: dpkg -L packagename |
| 00:11.40 | eciv | ksdncv, thanks, feel dumb for looking at apt-get instead of dpkg now. thanks again :) |
| 00:11.55 | abrotman | eciv: dpkg -L foopkg |
| 00:11.58 | ksdncv | darsie thanks for the comments, although will try kvm it helped me notice that there was a much easier way to just use netinst without needing a cdrom drive |
| 00:12.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eciv about refcard |
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| 00:12.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eciv about apt-file |
| 00:12.08 | peterrooney | eciv: for installed packages, dpkg -L <packagename> lists files belonging to a package; dpkg -S searches for what package might own a file (pattern); and apt-file can search the entire distribution. |
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| 00:12.54 | peterrooney | eciv: apt-file can search the entire distribution, including packages you haven't installed (apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search pattern |
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| 00:13.50 | eciv | abrotman, peterrooney: thanks! |
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| 00:34.00 | wolfmitchell | Does live-build allow you to install from sources without gpg keys? |
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| 01:11.33 | acu2 | I have internet access through USB, I want to make this computer serve through UTP network card internet so I can hook it to my router (instead of Internet Charter I would have the network through the computer I want to configure), so is there a way I can do that ? |
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| 01:17.54 | Kunda | am setting up DNSBL for postfix. Just registered on barracudacentral.org for free account to access their DNSBL. There is a link on there for a site called: emailreg.org is this legit or a scam? |
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| 01:22.34 | abrotman | Kunda: wouldn't it make more sense to ask them, or maybe #postfix ? |
| 01:23.01 | Kunda | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:24.35 | codepython7771 | how does one write an automatic install script for debian? |
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| 01:24.58 | codepython7771 | The advanced install -> Auto install wants a pointer to the web script |
| 01:26.39 | codepython7771 | found it: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apb.html.en |
| 01:29.24 | johndo | codepython7771: be aware that etch is quite old and the content may be outdated |
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| 01:30.28 | johndo | maybe use http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/apb.html.en instead |
| 01:31.03 | somiaj | codepython7771: look into a preseed |
| 01:31.22 | somiaj | codepython7771: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 01:33.05 | abrotman | codepython7771: use FAI or preseed |
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| 02:32.35 | acu2 | I have internet access through USB, I want to make this computer serve through UTP network card internet so I can hook it to my router (instead of Internet Charter I would have the network through the computer I want to configure), so is there a way I can do that ? |
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| 02:33.45 | r31n3r | is anyone else having problems with libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386? dpkgs hangs while trying to install it.. gets stuck |
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| 02:34.16 | somiaj | r31n3r: what version of debian? |
| 02:34.21 | r31n3r | somiaj: sid |
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| 02:34.28 | somiaj | r31n3r: check the bts |
| 02:34.50 | somiaj | r31n3r: it installed here just fine a month ago, but I am not gonna upgrade my sid system until this perl issue is sorted out |
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| 02:35.13 | r31n3r | erm, what perl issue? |
| 02:36.08 | themill | the one you probably should know about if you're running sid |
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| 02:37.02 | shr3ddy66 | :) i have a problem. i had a dualboot debian/windows7 running on my laptop with grub2 and the partition with debian (root) was formatted while i was working on windows...now grub goes to rescue when i boot. this has happened to me before and i was able to liveboot off the iso i had on another partition . but those times my debian partition was still intact.. i was wondering if there was a way to just boot windows because the mbr is still intact.. i cant b |
| 02:38.12 | r31n3r | themill: thanks, that helps a lot |
| 02:38.54 | somiaj | r31n3r: check the bts |
| 02:39.04 | themill | r31n3r: a perl transition is one of the most significant events in a debian release cycle. It causes chaos for a week. If you're not sufficiently involve in and aware of what's going on in Debian development, perhaps you really shouldn't be running sid. |
| 02:39.56 | r31n3r | themill: that does not mean I upgrade all the time ;) |
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| 02:41.05 | r31n3r | I rely on the output I get from the package manager, and only upgrade the system when package states are fine.. personally I haven't come across any perl issues I'm aware of |
| 02:41.56 | somiaj | r31n3r: it just makes upgrade a mess, I didn't see any bugs that sounded like your issue for libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386, maybe paste the output and let us see where it hangs. |
| 02:42.40 | r31n3r | Setting up libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 (304.108-1) ... <- this is where it hangs |
| 02:42.57 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 02:42.58 | judd | Package: libgl1-nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-1; experimental/non-free: 325.15-1 |
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| 02:44.00 | r31n3r | http://pastie.org/8299334 |
| 02:44.09 | somiaj | r31n3r: Hmm seems I'm running nvidia from experiemental 319.32-1 version here. |
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| 02:45.51 | r31n3r | libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 is not installed in my system because I manually removed it, using dpkg, since I thought that could fix the issue, but I've had the same issue while running dist-upgrade with libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 installed |
| 02:45.54 | r31n3r | it simply hangs there |
| 02:46.00 | r31n3r | nothing helpful in the log files either |
| 02:46.06 | Kunda | anyone here running postfix >v2.8 on debian squeeze ? |
| 02:46.08 | somiaj | r31n3r: is it frozen or stuck in a loop, did you check if you are using a lot cpu while it idels? |
| 02:46.17 | somiaj | ,v postfix |
| 02:46.18 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.0-3; sid: 2.10.1-2; experimental: 2.11-20130825-1 |
| 02:46.30 | somiaj | Kunda: you can install 2.9.3 from squeeze-backports |
| 02:46.38 | r31n3r | somiaj: no, my CPU is 99% idle |
| 02:46.45 | themill | Kunda: if you're going to go to the effort of upgrading your MTA you may as well just upgrade to wheezy at this stage |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | Kunda: why are you using squeeze? |
| 02:47.32 | Kunda | abrotman, haven't had the time to buy a new linode, upgrade, test and then transfer my IP over |
| 02:47.41 | themill | r31n3r: try running the maintainer script by hand with set -x in it. |
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| 02:50.31 | r31n3r | + /usr/lib/nvidia/check-for-mismatching-nvidia-module 304.108 <-- this is where it hangs, apparently |
| 02:50.54 | r31n3r | that is with set -x |
| 02:52.18 | r31n3r | yeah.. /usr/lib/nvidia/check-for-mismatching-nvidia-module 304.108 hangs |
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| 02:52.53 | themill | that's also a shell script you can set -x on |
| 02:53.03 | hanasaki | is there any version of the vmware view client newer than 4.5 that is available ? need the pciop protocol not the rdp..... |
| 02:54.49 | r31n3r | erm |
| 02:55.12 | r31n3r | it is trying to read /proc/driver/nvidia.. but it can't, and there are four directories with the exact same name there! four /proc/driver/nvidia |
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| 02:55.28 | r31n3r | bug in procfs, perhaps? |
| 02:56.40 | r31n3r | ok, brb |
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| 02:58.51 | r31n3r | back.. it works now |
| 02:59.12 | r31n3r | do you want to know what happened? |
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| 03:01.44 | blackjack | excuse me i reinstalled my vps again fresh debian 7 install |
| 03:02.10 | blackjack | apt-get for me seems nto working as it says W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.debian.org' |
| 03:02.26 | blackjack | what should i modify here to make this corrections? |
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| 03:05.25 | dvs | blackjack: you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org |
| 03:05.53 | blackjack | dvs |
| 03:06.08 | blackjack | thats the default thing the OS does when i invoke apt-get |
| 03:06.11 | blackjack | how do i modify that? |
| 03:06.24 | dvs | blackjack: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:06.32 | blackjack | thanks |
| 03:06.42 | blackjack | dvs what addresses should i use then? |
| 03:06.54 | dvs | http.debian.net would be better |
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| 03:07.08 | blackjack | which is the best then? |
| 03:07.16 | dvs | that is the best |
| 03:07.19 | blackjack | ok |
| 03:07.24 | blackjack | thankz |
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| 03:08.56 | hanasaki | in kde what is it that opens zips and tar files? |
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| 03:10.50 | themill | hanasaki: ark |
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| 03:11.27 | blackjack | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 03:11.28 | blackjack | deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:11.39 | blackjack | oops sorry |
| 03:12.36 | blackjack | it should be now http://http.debian.net/debian ? |
| 03:12.52 | dvs | yup |
| 03:12.59 | blackjack | and the second line http://security.debian.net ? |
| 03:13.04 | dvs | yup yup |
| 03:13.07 | themill | that would be better, yes. You may as well use the redirector rather than picking on one poor mirror |
| 03:13.29 | dvs | welcomes themill late to the party ;-) |
| 03:13.37 | themill | !coffee me |
| 03:13.37 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for themill, courtesy of themill |
| 03:13.45 | themill | yum. I think. |
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| 03:17.00 | blackjack | is there any other editor you could recommend in default install of debian 7 that is not vim? Im having hard time to use it :/ |
| 03:17.20 | dvs | then try nano |
| 03:17.56 | themill | .o0( there's probably a reason why nano is the default editor rather than vim ) |
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| 03:18.16 | wood_quinn | When was Debian's birthday? |
| 03:18.17 | devm33 | Finally learning vim is the best. |
| 03:18.23 | wood_quinn | I'd forgotten it was 20 this year. |
| 03:18.28 | Kunda | If I'm running squeeze on a VPS how would I upgrade it to wheezy ? |
| 03:18.52 | wood_quinn | Kunda: That depends on what kind of VPS. You can do a release upgrade using apt-get. |
| 03:18.55 | rryoumaa | there is also emacs, which is like nano, in a similar way to how a grain of sand is similar to a boulder |
| 03:19.08 | wood_quinn | Otherwise, if you have a nice interface for it, maybe you can do a fresh install if that's what you want. |
| 03:19.20 | wood_quinn | Or the provider, depending on who it is, may be willing to do it for you for little to no cost. |
| 03:20.21 | blackjack | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'http.debian.net' |
| 03:20.31 | blackjack | i change from debian.org to debian.net still not working |
| 03:20.34 | blackjack | ? |
| 03:21.04 | Kunda | wood_quinn, linode VPS that I manage |
| 03:21.09 | wood_quinn | How does Debian decide when software versions- which are included in the base- is ready for inclusion? |
| 03:21.38 | wood_quinn | blackjack: It's working for me. |
| 03:21.46 | johndo | blackjack: try: host http.debian.net |
| 03:21.56 | wood_quinn | http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg |
| 03:21.58 | johndo | looks like your name resolving does not work |
| 03:22.04 | wood_quinn | That's what I got redirected to it looks like. |
| 03:22.17 | blackjack | johndo, how do i make sure it is working? |
| 03:22.33 | johndo | blackjack: it should tell you an IP address and no error |
| 03:22.33 | wood_quinn | nslookup www.google.com D |
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| 03:38.53 | bullgard4 | How can I find out what programs do use the environment variable DEBEMAIL? |
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| 03:40.42 | johndo | wood_quinn: debian releses a new distribution when it does not have any release-critical bugs anymore or what do you mean? |
| 03:41.26 | johndo | bullgard4: you can't easily without maybe searching in the sources of the programs |
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| 03:41.49 | johndo | but this special variable is used by debian packaging tools and the bugtracker I think |
| 03:42.07 | wood_quinn | I mean, say a new version of some GNU tool comes out, how does Debian decide whether or not to create and distribute a binary package for it? |
| 03:42.52 | johndo | wood_quinn: debian "internally" has 3 distributions, unstable, testing and stable |
| 03:43.12 | bullgard4 | johndo: Thank you. |
| 03:43.18 | johndo | a new package (version) first gets uploaded into unstable |
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| 03:43.41 | wood_quinn | Ok gotcha, I'd forgotten. |
| 03:43.46 | johndo | when it has no bugs within 10 days it will be moved into testing |
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| 03:44.14 | johndo | and for stable there is a freeze period with bug tracking before release |
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| 03:44.57 | johndo | *bug hunting and fixing |
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| 03:54.21 | acu | I am trying to install a T-Mobile Hotspot in debian wheezy so it can be used as USB tether (so I can browse internet through uSB) - I did lsusb and got Bus 001 Device 007: ID 19d2:2000 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM MF627/MF628/MF628+/MF636+ HSDPA/HSUPA --- the usb-modeswitch is installed but I cannot choose usb for browsing - do not know what to do |
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| 03:54.23 | rscnt | hi |
| 03:54.56 | acu | !usb-modeswitch |
| 03:54.57 | dpkg | usb_modeswitch is a tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices, e.g. WAN dongles. This utility can disable the storage device (aka "ZeroCD", containing non-Linux drivers) and enable the serial device. Packaged for Debian as usb-modeswitch. http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
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| 04:04.47 | deego | I have a line like this in my sshd_config. PasswordAuthentication no, there is no duplicate overruling it or anything. Yet, after /etc/init.ssh restart, I am able to login using my password. So bizarre. |
| 04:05.04 | deego | init.d/ssh* |
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| 04:10.51 | Polarina | deego, using reload instead of restart would be sufficient in this case. Do you have PubkeyAuthentication and RSAAuthentication set to yes? |
| 04:11.14 | Polarina | deego, make sure you also decomment the PasswordAuthentication option by removing the # before it. |
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| 04:11.29 | beak | Hey, I installed debian twice on my thinkpad x130e with a USB dvd drive and each time after install I get the message "operating system not found" |
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| 04:11.44 | beak | I guess it went for a cigarette and never came back |
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| 04:11.47 | relipse | is there a reason why doing "su user" stops auto tab completion in putty? |
| 04:12.23 | Polarina | beak, did you allow the installer to install GRUB? It could also be that you have boot sector protection enabled in BIOS. |
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| 04:13.01 | themill | relipse: you should always tell su to use a login shell |
| 04:13.04 | beak | Polarina, Yeah, it installed to grub and my edition came out before secureboot was implmented |
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| 04:13.14 | bazzer | i'm working on setting up a pxe boot server and it's working in that I can do installs with preseed but trying to boot diskless clients over nfs fails during the boot process attempting to get a dhcp address...it seems the dhcp server never responds. any ideas?? |
| 04:13.26 | relipse | themill, how exactly do i do that? |
| 04:13.44 | Polarina | beak, I've seen that feature in BIOSes way before UEFI. :) |
| 04:13.44 | beak | Polarina, Like, slackware installed ok, and so did PCBSD and Winblows |
| 04:14.05 | deego | Polarina: Ah, looks like there was a syntax error in my sshd_config which was causing a failure. Somehow, it didn't report the problem on console when restarting. |
| 04:14.43 | beak | Maybe the USB dvd drive is causing a complication |
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| 04:16.07 | bazzer | tcpdump shows the requests have the same MAC address but their lengths are different: the first (answered) request is length 548 and the second (unanswered) request is length 271 |
| 04:16.28 | johndo | relipse: su - root |
| 04:16.57 | themill | relipse: "man su" is surprisingly informative. |
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| 04:17.33 | bazzer | johndo: wouldn't su - suffice? :) |
| 04:18.00 | johndo | bazzer: probably :) |
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| 04:18.14 | bazzer | johndo: unless one wanted a user other than root that is... |
| 04:18.32 | relipse | bazzer, themill, it still isn't working, putty just insterts a tab character after i do su - user |
| 04:18.41 | relipse | it works fine as root but not after su |
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| 04:19.04 | johndo | relipse: you maybe have to enable bash completion for root too |
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| 04:19.25 | bazzer | relipse: sounds like bash completion isn't enabled? |
| 04:19.39 | relipse | oh thats possible |
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| 04:20.54 | bazzer | relipse: trade problems with ya...i'd rather fight that than my dhcp woes ;) |
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| 04:21.48 | themill | relipse: is the user's shell /bin/bash or /bin/sh? |
| 04:22.27 | tw | Is there a vncserver besides qemu/kvm that supports unix sockets for the RFB connection? |
| 04:22.55 | aypea[1] | vnc or vnc-like? |
| 04:23.28 | tw | I guess vnc-like is sufficient. It just needs to support x11 clients on one side and rfb-over-unix domain socket on the other. |
| 04:23.28 | aypea[1] | i'm thinking spice may be of interest but I've not played with it much so don't know the details off-hand. |
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| 04:23.55 | relipse | themill, not sure, how do i check? |
| 04:23.59 | tw | Hmm, I'll look into spice. it's not rfb, but if it fits the bill... |
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| 04:24.33 | aypea[1] | I think it's meant to be an rdesktop like remote monitor thingy. (look at them technical words! glory in them ;) |
| 04:24.39 | bazzer | i thought tightvnc had rfb support? |
| 04:24.47 | themill | relipse: "getent passwd username" or "echo $SHELL" |
| 04:24.58 | tw | bazzer: but no unix domain socket support on the rfb side. |
| 04:25.35 | bazzer | tw ah |
| 04:25.38 | johndo | "it works fine as root" but not with "su -" somehow doesn't fit together |
| 04:26.18 | themill | johndo: I was assuming a non-root user was involved. |
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| 04:28.55 | bazzer | johndo: wait is it that su - root allows tab completion but su - doesn't? |
| 04:29.43 | bazzer | johndo: or logging in as root allows it but not su'ing to it? |
| 04:30.04 | themill | relipse: ^^ |
| 04:30.20 | johndo | bazzer: no, there shouldn't be a difference, su - means su - root |
| 04:30.22 | relipse | themill, ah it is using /bin/sh |
| 04:30.32 | relipse | how do i change/fix that? |
| 04:30.35 | bazzer | johndo: i know |
| 04:30.40 | johndo | but relipse said it works as root but not with su - |
| 04:30.51 | themill | relipse: that's normally a sign that noone ever planned for you to log in as that user. What user is this? |
| 04:30.58 | bazzer | relipse: chsh |
| 04:31.02 | relipse | i just made the user |
| 04:31.10 | relipse | and logged into it |
| 04:31.30 | themill | you might like to use "adduser" not "useradd" next time |
| 04:32.06 | relipse | yeah stupid debian tutorial |
| 04:32.11 | relipse | telling me to use useradd |
| 04:32.14 | relipse | ok how do i fix this mess |
| 04:32.25 | themill | relipse: as bazzer said, chsh |
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| 04:33.51 | bazzer | relipse: specifically chsh -s /bin/bash username should do the trick iirc |
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| 04:34.36 | relipse | sweet that worked exactly! |
| 04:34.38 | relipse | thanks bazzer |
| 04:34.57 | bazzer | relipse: np |
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| 04:38.27 | bazzer | relipse: fyi...next time you use useradd don't forget to use -s /bin/bash to specify the shell...but as themill suggested i'd use adduser...much simpler |
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| 04:49.22 | lautriv | anyone used to iscsi ? i have the problem my initram tried to use the target once butr not anymore ( update-initramfs doesn't produce the usual /etc/iscsi/* ) |
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| 04:55.35 | relipse | test anyone hre? |
| 04:56.09 | lautriv | relipse, nope 1313 zombies and you |
| 04:59.19 | bazzer | lautriv: who you calling zombie? :) |
| 05:00.05 | lautriv | bazzer, the always silet members. |
| 05:00.09 | lautriv | *nt |
| 05:00.50 | bazzer | ah...well i've been buried in tcpdump output debugging dhcp problem |
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| 05:00.58 | lautriv | bazzer, the math included me ;) |
| 05:01.46 | lautriv | bazzer, never needed tcpdump to debug dhcp, do you ISC ? |
| 05:02.11 | bazzer | lautriv: me either, and yes/no |
| 05:02.27 | bazzer | lautriv: i prefer isc but i'm stuck with dnsmasq right now |
| 05:02.47 | lautriv | ok, use tcpdump then :P |
| 05:02.59 | bazzer | lol |
| 05:03.06 | lautriv | anyone on my iscsi ? |
| 05:03.34 | bazzer | i used iscsi a few months ago |
| 05:03.53 | bazzer | but no, don't know why it isn't working in the initrd for ya |
| 05:04.01 | lautriv | what stopped you to stay there ? |
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| 05:04.22 | bazzer | lautriv: what you mean? |
| 05:05.10 | lautriv | bazzer, you used it a few month ago sounds like "not any longer" |
| 05:06.01 | bazzer | oh! i was using it to do some mounts for system prep |
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| 05:06.24 | bazzer | it was a set it and forget it thing |
| 05:07.39 | lautriv | works like a charm (scst target) but i had a wrong export while trying to have root on iscsi and each change doesn't give me my /etc/iscsi/* back to initramfs :( |
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| 05:08.15 | bazzer | ouch that's no good |
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| 05:09.12 | bazzer | never seen that happen |
| 05:09.58 | bazzer | oh and yes tcpdump is enlightening in this case btw |
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| 05:14.40 | bazzer | module is present? |
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| 05:18.05 | lautriv | do you mean me with that module ? |
| 05:19.19 | bazzer | yes |
| 05:20.38 | lautriv | it's all in place, i can sucessfully login but the first try to iscsi-root in initramfs failed ( it told me the net is down while it wasn't) so i changed some things and never got it back. |
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| 05:24.15 | bazzer | well revert the changes? |
| 05:24.25 | lautriv | humm, just compiled a new kernel and got a strange error i never saw before : multiple target pattern o.O |
| 05:24.43 | bazzer | might be it |
| 05:25.25 | lautriv | not really b/c it failed before kernel-changes |
| 05:26.26 | bazzer | but you altered the initrd right? |
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| 05:27.45 | lautriv | i just did update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 05:29.30 | lautriv | i guess more a problem with klibc and will upgrade this box. |
| 05:30.05 | bazzer | i dunno...normally i'd keep a spare known good initrd laying around before updating it |
| 05:30.14 | bazzer | that way i could fall back |
| 05:30.23 | bazzer | tough to know what changed |
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| 05:31.21 | lautriv | normally i do my own initramfs ( nfs-V4 root ) in one large image ( within kernel ) but the setup for iscsi is still not complete. |
| 05:32.21 | bazzer | gotcha |
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| 05:34.03 | bazzer | lautriv: really hating on dnsmasq now btw ;) |
| 05:35.01 | lautriv | bazzer, i know whiy i joked on tcpdump ;) no idea why many people prefer it b/c they say it's easier to setup. ISC rules. |
| 05:35.09 | rryoumaa | what is the best way to authorize a user to pop up a window on an x server? |
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| 05:35.43 | bazzer | lautriv: isc is waaaaay easier |
| 05:35.48 | lautriv | rryoumaa, that's the DM's job. |
| 05:36.04 | rryoumaa | lautriv: i use startx |
| 05:36.16 | rryoumaa | lautriv: /another/ user |
| 05:36.40 | bazzer | lautriv: i'm trying to pxe boot and whilst it initially gets an ip the requests during boot for and address timeout...turn dnsmaq off and use isc and all is well |
| 05:37.58 | lautriv | bazzer, ISC has much more abilities and options, i use it since the stoneage, booted even SUN/SGI/DEC/Motorola/HP in the past. |
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| 05:39.01 | lautriv | bazzer, and for the tftpd, nothing beats hpa's |
| 05:39.01 | bazzer | lautriv: isc is all i've ever used but in this case i'm stuck with dnsmasq |
| 05:39.11 | bazzer | lautriv: using the hpa one |
| 05:39.30 | lautriv | bazzer, what client ? |
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| 05:40.13 | bazzer | lautriv: seems the initial request is 548 bytes and when you try to diskless boot and it hits the dhcp request part the packet is 271 bytes and never even seen :/ |
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| 05:41.07 | lautriv | -> daddytaxi, laters. |
| 05:42.07 | bazzer | any client fails |
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| 05:48.02 | blackjack | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.net/dists/wheezy/updates/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.debian.net' |
| 05:48.12 | blackjack | whats the correct link for this? |
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| 05:48.59 | somiaj | it is security.debian.org |
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| 05:51.27 | tootpick | gnome session manager fails to exit upon restart/poweroff. Can anyone help with that? |
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| 05:52.49 | johndo | blackjack: you still get "Could not resolve" errors? something may be wrong with the name servers you use, maybe try different name servers |
| 05:54.12 | blackjack | hmmm |
| 05:54.58 | blackjack | johndo, the first link is working. not the security |
| 05:55.07 | blackjack | debian.org or debian.net? |
| 05:55.36 | blackjack | first line i changed it from debian.org to debian.net |
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| 05:59.06 | johndo | blackjack: oh, wait, it is of course security.debian.org |
| 05:59.20 | johndo | _.org_ |
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| 05:59.57 | blackjack | but how come someone told me on the first line like this.. |
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| 06:00.15 | blackjack | <johndo> blackjack: try: host http.debian.net |
| 06:00.27 | blackjack | oh it was you too. hmmm |
| 06:00.33 | blackjack | why one .net and the other .org? |
| 06:00.34 | johndo | blackjack: well, that's a different host |
| 06:00.37 | blackjack | is confused |
| 06:01.12 | tootpick | gnome session manager fails to exit upon restart/poweroff. Can anyone help with that? |
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| 06:01.44 | james41382 | In my sources.list it's security.debian.org and it resolves fine. |
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| 06:02.48 | johndo | blackjack: that was a command to check if your name resolver works |
| 06:03.07 | themill | blackjack: http.debian.net ≠ security.debian.org |
| 06:03.20 | johndo | as you also got "Could not resolve" errors on that one |
| 06:03.30 | themill | !debian.net |
| 06:03.30 | dpkg | The "debian.net" domain points at unofficial resources maintained by Debian Developers. The resources are usually not managed or controlled by the Debian sysadmin group, unlike debian.org machines. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains for more information. |
| 06:03.36 | blackjack | so johndo i should use debian.org only? |
| 06:03.41 | blackjack | should i not change it to debian.net |
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| 06:03.52 | cafuego | Do you know who owns and runs debian.net ? |
| 06:04.00 | blackjack | does it give different contents? |
| 06:04.27 | themill | blackjack: you should stop using words like "it"... you're being sufficiently ambiguous that you'll get answers to different questions |
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| 06:04.28 | james41382 | debian.net in my sources is the non free and contrib stuff I think.. |
| 06:04.45 | cafuego | Oh, it looks like they're both owned by the same org |
| 06:04.54 | themill | dpkg: tell blackjack about wheezy sources.list |
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| 06:06.29 | tootpick | My computer freezes when restarting. Can anyone help? |
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| 06:07.36 | EmleyMoor | tootpick: Freezes or pauses? (i.e. does it eventually carry on?) |
| 06:07.38 | rozie | tootpick: try to boot from liveCD |
| 06:07.55 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: it pauses. more specificly gnome pauses |
| 06:08.15 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: but I can goto ttyl4 and hit ctrl alt delete to reboot |
| 06:08.15 | EmleyMoor | tootpick: At what stage? |
| 06:08.33 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: as soon as i select power off or reboot from gnome's menu |
| 06:08.54 | EmleyMoor | tootpick: Do your open apps close first? |
| 06:09.16 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: negatory, my opened apps fail to close they only get greyed out and stays like that |
| 06:09.57 | EmleyMoor | tootpick: So, it won't continue on its own if you leave it alone like that? |
| 06:10.08 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: that's right |
| 06:11.07 | EmleyMoor | tootpick: If you close all your apps first, does that make a difference? |
| 06:11.30 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: I haven't tried that yet. maybe i should? i can come back here after a restart |
| 06:11.48 | johndo | themill: is there a command to list the multi-word factoids of the bot? help only lists one-word commands |
| 06:12.07 | EmleyMoor | If it does make a difference, it will be one of the apps you are normally running that's causing the hold-up |
| 06:12.19 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: ok i'm going to try this now |
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| 06:13.45 | themill | johndo: commands aren't factoids. dpkg has 40kish factoids (many of which are junk, old, repetitious, ...). No there's not a browsable list. /msg dpkg search dpkg |
| 06:14.46 | johndo | themill: 40k, oh :) |
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| 06:15.56 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: i just restarted and it froze as well |
| 06:16.11 | tootpick | EmleyMoor: but for some reason now i do not see shutdown menu in gnome under my user name |
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| 06:21.06 | mesoderm | I am trying to get Debian installed on a Toshiba Satellite C855 laptop, and it's been hellish. At first I couldn't even get it past "waiting for /dev to fully populate", but after turning acpi=off in grub it's booting. But now I can't get X running and my RTL8188ce wifi card doesn't work (kernel oops if I try to load it) |
| 06:21.39 | mesoderm | The video card is an ATI Radeon 6310 |
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| 06:23.17 | mesoderm | When I try installing firmware-linux-nonfree it won't even boot (I get a message: " fb: conflicting fb hw usage intel drmfb vs VESA VGA removing generic driver.") ... but without it, I can't seem to start X |
| 06:24.01 | mesoderm | Is there a generic open-source driver or something that I can use instead of the r8169 driver... it seems to be broken |
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| 06:24.43 | mumpitzel | the r8169 is an open source driver. and the error message you get is about your videocard, not the ethernet card |
| 06:25.12 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: you run wheezy? |
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| 06:26.17 | mesoderm | mumpitzel, Yes, I run wheezy amd64. I realize that the error is about video card (sorry I was talking about 2 problems at once -- one is that I can't start x, other is that I can't use wifi) |
| 06:26.17 | Monday | what is the debian equivalent to ubuntu-restricted-extras |
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| 06:27.10 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: pastebin the output of lspci -nn please |
| 06:27.37 | mumpitzel | you cannot have a HD6310 and a intel videocard problem: those two pieces of hardware can't coexist in the same PC |
| 06:27.53 | mumpitzel | Monday: probably non-free |
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| 06:29.00 | mesoderm | mumpitzel, I don't have wifi -- let me relocate upstairs to plug into ethernet ... brb |
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| 06:30.24 | mumpitzel | from the sound of http://www.linlap.com/toshiba_satellite_c850-c855 you will need a newer kernel than is in wheezy. a 3.10 from wheezy-backports should work |
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| 06:36.03 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: Hey I'm back. Here's the output of lspci -nn --> paste.debian.net/35316 |
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| 06:39.53 | musca | !RTL8188CE |
| 06:39.53 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 06:41.17 | musca | mesoderm: ^ should be possible, and the firmware is packaged in debian non-free |
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| 06:42.35 | mesoderm | musca -- I already have firmware-realtek installed |
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| 06:43.03 | mesoderm | I get a kernel panic when I attempt to bring it up with ifconfig |
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| 06:44.15 | mesoderm | My realtek ethernet card works fine with it |
| 06:44.18 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: your laptop has no intel hardware at all. I'd suggest to install a backports kernel. disabling ACPI is not a good idea on a laptop: all the powersaving features work via acpi |
| 06:44.30 | mumpitzel | and what does the kernel panic say? |
| 06:46.04 | mesoderm | I figured acpi=off was a bad idea, but I had to to get it to even boot to the terminal I'm using now ... yes, I'd like to fix that as well. I'll look into backports kernel once I'm not using links for browsing (other PC is occupied right now) |
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| 06:47.26 | mumpitzel | !backport |
| 06:47.26 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 06:47.47 | mumpitzel | you add the backports repo and install a kernel from it. that's it. the kernel would be a 3.10 one |
| 06:47.50 | mumpitzel | ,kernels |
| 06:47.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc7-686-pae (3.11~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 06:48.13 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: |
| 06:48.16 | mesoderm | oops |
| 06:48.49 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: So the newer kernels might have better support and not require acpi=off? That what you're saying? |
| 06:49.04 | mumpitzel | yes |
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| 06:49.19 | mesoderm | Would it possibly fix the wifi issues also? |
| 06:49.47 | cafuego | Depends on the issues and the hardware |
| 06:49.58 | mesoderm | True. Sorry, dumb question. |
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| 06:50.05 | mumpitzel | it can, yes. cause normally your realtek wlan should work fine |
| 06:50.22 | mumpitzel | might help to see the kernel panic stack backtrace |
| 06:51.03 | mesoderm | where would that be stored, so I can pastebin it? |
| 06:52.22 | mumpitzel | nowhere. only shown on screen. lots of complicated looking "computer code" |
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| 06:53.20 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: OK, I'll just try writing it down. Anything in particular I should be looking for? |
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| 06:55.43 | mumpitzel | the stack trace. but I'd just try a more recent kernel first |
| 06:56.46 | mumpitzel | also run iwconfig first. what exact ifconfig command is it that crashes your PC? |
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| 06:56.57 | mesoderm | ifconfig wlan0 up crashes it |
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| 07:02.23 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: So basically I would do --> apt-get -t wheezy-backports "linux-image-3.10.0.bpo,2-amd64" |
| 07:02.25 | musca | mesoderm: so, how did you configure the interface? |
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| 07:02.26 | mesoderm | correct? |
| 07:02.58 | mesoderm | musca: You mean during install or with ifconfig? |
| 07:03.02 | musca | yes correct, plus you may want the headers also. |
| 07:03.09 | mesoderm | ok, thanks |
| 07:03.35 | mesoderm | All I did with ifconfig was do 'ifconfig wlan0 up' |
| 07:04.28 | themill | linux-image-amd64 would be better (and less prone to typos). You might also want to use aptitude not apt-get |
| 07:05.14 | musca | thx themill, i didn't see the typo |
| 07:07.01 | musca | mesoderm: and you are missing the "install" command in your apt-get line |
| 07:07.16 | mesoderm | themill: Thanks. Also, will apt automatically update grub to boot the new kernel or do I have to do that manually? And do I need to install firmware-realtek again from backports? |
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| 07:07.43 | themill | grub is happy; yet upgrade the firmware packages too |
| 07:08.58 | mesoderm | ok ... gonna try rebooting the new kernel now. Thanks so much for all of your help folks. |
| 07:09.05 | themill | ("aptitude upgrade -t wheezy-backports ~nfirmware~i" should do it) |
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| 07:10.44 | voltagex | is it possible to have debian-installer read from a filesystem instead of an ISO? e.g. if I've booted it via EFI on a FAT32 drive. |
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| 07:11.49 | voltagex | also, the links on http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual appear to be broken |
| 07:13.03 | themill | voltagex: there isn't really an installer for testing at this stage; you'd use stable and upgrade |
| 07:13.10 | mumpitzel | voltagex: your error was to use the testing installer in the first place. it's only for testing the installer, not for actual installs. get a wheezy iso |
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| 07:13.40 | mumpitzel | and when you put the iso onto a usb stick, it is on a FAT filesystem: debian installers are IS9660/FAT32 hybrid filesystems |
| 07:13.41 | voltagex | mumpitzel: I am actually testing various strange setups with the installer, but point taken |
| 07:14.03 | mesoderm | No luck. The new kernel also required acpi=off to get past "waiting for /dev to fully populate" and then just panicked and froze |
| 07:14.20 | nkuttler | voltagex: if you want to test the installer go to #debian-boot @ oftc |
| 07:14.42 | voltagex | nkuttler: thanks. |
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| 07:16.02 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: just for kicks, try to remove /etc/rcS.d/S02udev temporarily. |
| 07:16.21 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: but keep a livecd handy to change it back if it has really bad consequences |
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| 07:17.47 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: ok - will do. |
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| 07:21.14 | As001 | Hello, does Debian Wheezy default kernel support Hyper Threading ? |
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| 07:22.19 | boycottg00gle | As001: yes |
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| 07:24.15 | As001 | I don't need to do anything to enable it, it works right from the box after installation ? |
| 07:24.31 | As001 | boycottg00gle thanks for answer. |
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| 07:26.34 | MaTachi | I'm running Jessie and when I try to move a window to another workspace (Ctrl+Shift+Alt+Down) nothing happens. Anybody who are familiar with this problem? |
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| 07:28.44 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: hey! removing udev from /etc/rcS.d/ got it where I can boot without acpi=off but it still isn't making X or wireless work |
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| 07:29.13 | mesoderm | (but definitely is progress) ... is there a better way to permanently fix whatever udev is doing to break it |
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| 07:30.21 | nkuttler | !tell MaTachi about debian-next |
| 07:30.47 | MaTachi | nkuttler: is that an application? |
| 07:31.09 | mesoderm | Actually, now that I think about it ... I'm gonna try booting into the newer backports kernel again, now that udev is off |
| 07:31.11 | nkuttler | MaTachi: no. the bot just sent you a msg |
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| 07:32.20 | MaTachi | nkuttler: ah, didn't see that. I will check it out, thnx |
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| 07:35.30 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: I was able to boot into the 3.10 kernel now as well, since removing /etc/rcS.d/S02.udev ... Why did this work, and is there a better way to make this solution permanent? |
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| 07:36.18 | mesoderm | (However, X still doesn't work -- when it gets to loading gdm3, it just goes to black screen with blinking cursor) |
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| 07:36.54 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: I dunno why it hates udev |
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| 07:37.37 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: Is it a problem to have udev just deleted like that? Or can I just leave it that way? |
| 07:38.03 | mesoderm | Like, should I uninstall it or something? |
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| 07:38.33 | mumpitzel | there are problems I think. for example a automount of a plugged in usb stick might not work. things like that |
| 07:38.46 | mumpitzel | udev is device management. |
| 07:38.55 | mumpitzel | you cannot uninstall it |
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| 07:39.56 | mesoderm | ok -- just reinstalled firmware-linux-nonfree -- gonna see if that fixes and let's me boot into x |
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| 07:43.09 | swagner | hello, when running aptitude under debian testing it sugests to remove gnome and xul-ext-adblock-plus because it breaks icedove, how can i make the resolution to keep xul.. at the current version permanent? |
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| 07:44.52 | mumpitzel | !tell swagner about hold |
| 07:45.23 | mesoderm | I am unable to boot into X. I have a ATI radeon HD 6310 video card. Here is the content of /var/log/gdm3/0.log --> paste.debian.net/35336 |
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| 07:48.00 | mesoderm | And here is the output from dmesg --> paste.debian.net/35337 |
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| 07:49.59 | deego | (I used to use the "easy" firewall guarddog for squeeze, which seems to have disappeared in wheezy). What firewall would you recommend for wheezy? |
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| 07:52.03 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: is the latest BIOS for your laptop installed. it shows some ACPI warnings in the dmesg output |
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| 07:53.03 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: Not sure -- the laptop is brand new, but I can reboot and check |
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| 07:54.03 | mumpitzel | no need. check for a new BIOS. your current one is 6.20 according to dmesg |
| 07:54.31 | mumpitzel | DMI: TOSHIBA Satellite C855D/Portable PC, BIOS 6.20 01/09/2013 |
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| 07:55.21 | mumpitzel | and I don't see a radeon kernel driver loaded either |
| 07:55.39 | mumpitzel | do a modprobe radeon, then check dmesg that all is alright and then run startx |
| 07:56.27 | mesoderm | ah yes, it looks like there is a 6.70 version of BIOS out now. I'll figure out how to install it. -- ok trying to load radeon driver now ... |
| 07:57.34 | mumpitzel | I don't see any WLAN driver loaded either |
| 07:57.40 | mumpitzel | !rtl8188ce |
| 07:57.41 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 08:03.07 | swagner | mumpitzel: thx |
| 08:03.16 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: modprobe radeon just froze everything immediately with no messages ... gonna try updating the BIOS as you suggested |
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| 08:06.42 | mesoderm | mumpitzel: All that is available from Toshiba is a windows exe file for upgrading bios ... it doesn't seem like there is anything available for Linux |
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| 08:06.49 | mumpitzel | mesoderm: and you need the radeon module to have the radeon X driver working. however, you can try fglrx too |
| 08:07.08 | mumpitzel | there never is. at most you can get a boot .iso file like I get from lenovo |
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| 08:14.16 | iarinov | hi there |
| 08:14.40 | deego | hi |
| 08:15.22 | iarinov | help me please configure my xorg + i3wm to use two displays |
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| 08:16.34 | well_laid_lawn | man xrandr should help |
| 08:17.38 | iarinov | thanks |
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| 08:21.08 | mesoderm | mumpitzel, I tried fglrx with no luck either ... still the same blank screen with flashing cursor |
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| 08:22.57 | wibby | Hi, Debian 6 sid, my apt-get fails sometimes with this: http://pastebin.com/bNJGLMBq this is a remote server that I work on. I do need gpm though for vim I think |
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| 08:24.11 | wibby | uuh, apparently not sid, but debian 6 for sure |
| 08:24.33 | EmleyMoor | wibby: squeeze is 6 |
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| 08:25.36 | wibby | yes. anyways, the trouble is with apt-get and gpm |
| 08:25.42 | jelly-home | ,v gpm |
| 08:25.43 | judd | Package: gpm on i386 -- squeeze: 1.20.4-3.3; wheezy: 1.20.4-6; jessie: 1.20.4-6.1; sid: 1.20.4-6.1 |
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| 08:26.14 | jelly-home | wibby: you don't need gpm for vim unless you're using it at the physical console |
| 08:26.53 | wibby | jelly-home: really? I ssh into the machine with putty and use the mouse for vim tabs etc |
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| 08:27.16 | wibby | jelly-home: if i don't need it I will just uninstall it. if it lets me |
| 08:27.31 | jelly-home | wibby: yes really. gpm _service_ is only for mouse support on physical console. gpm _library_ is a different thing. |
| 08:28.18 | wibby | jelly-home: well, removing gpm fails as well because of gpm |
| 08:28.35 | jelly-home | wibby: dpkg --purge gpm fails? |
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| 08:29.58 | wibby | jelly-home: oh. I tried removing it with apt-get. dpkg worked. with warnings though, about some scripts missing "LSB tags". is that significant? |
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| 08:31.08 | wibby | should I use dpkg over apt-get on debian? |
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| 08:32.03 | well_laid_lawn | I'd say no |
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| 08:32.33 | musca | wibby: apt-get uses dpkg to handle the packages. |
| 08:33.10 | wibby | well it worked better in this instance (: ok, moving on. thanks! |
| 08:33.20 | jelly-home | wibby: righto, now run apt-get -f install to fix apt's state |
| 08:33.55 | iarinov | i have two displays but it show the same screen |
| 08:33.58 | wibby | jelly-home: ok, did that. didn't seem to do much |
| 08:34.05 | iarinov | should i reconfigure X? |
| 08:34.18 | jelly-home | wibby: after dpkg --purge? That's alright then. |
| 08:34.24 | mumpitzel | iarinov: use xrandr instead |
| 08:34.25 | well_laid_lawn | that's what X does as a default |
| 08:34.45 | wibby | jelly-home: yes |
| 08:34.45 | theGrg | Hi. I'm having trouble running virtualbox on my Debian wheezy. Here's all the info: http://pastebin.com/VBZ90RUE |
| 08:34.48 | iarinov | mumpitzel: i have installed xrandr, but what do you mean use? |
| 08:35.05 | mumpitzel | iarinov: tell X via xrandr not to mirror |
| 08:35.12 | iarinov | oh |
| 08:35.16 | iarinov | thanks, lets try |
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| 08:35.43 | mumpitzel | theGrg: follow the instructions in line 37 and 38 of your paste |
| 08:36.26 | iarinov | mumpitzel: and if i dont have xorg.conf in my X11 directory, where should i set xrandr option? |
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| 08:36.43 | wibby | jelly-home: things seem to work better now |
| 08:36.51 | wibby | jelly-home: thanks |
| 08:36.55 | theGrg | mumpitzel everything is installed isn't it clear fromt he previous output? |
| 08:37.07 | mumpitzel | iarinov: xrandr is a command. and you don't need a xorg.conf anymore normally |
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| 08:37.11 | theGrg | s/he/the |
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| 08:37.48 | mumpitzel | theGrg: no it's not. and it tells you that you need the kernel headers too to compile the vbox module. the vbox module is not existing or not loaded and that's the error you get |
| 08:38.29 | theGrg | mumpitzel I've installed the kernel headers |
| 08:39.01 | mumpitzel | theGrg: then you are missing the vbox module for some reason. dpkg-reconfigure the dkms package should recreate it I think |
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| 08:39.26 | theGrg | mumpitzel I already ran dpkg-reconfigure on all the packages in that paste |
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| 08:40.00 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | theGrg: kernel is 3.4.14 and headers is for 3.2.0 maybe? |
| 08:40.19 | theGrg | w1ck3dg0ph3r that's the latest headers packages |
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| 08:40.41 | mumpitzel | theGrg: then check if vboxdrv kernel module is loaded |
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| 08:40.53 | theGrg | w1ck3dg0ph3r there is no newer package. Also the linux-image package is latest 3.2 |
| 08:41.11 | theGrg | mumpitzel it is not, and it is not available |
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| 08:41.54 | mumpitzel | then something went wrong installing the dkms package(s). you shouldn't have two. what does uname -r say exactly? |
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| 08:42.05 | theGrg | Might I need to install a "source" package? |
| 08:42.18 | mumpitzel | theGrg: which debian releas is this? |
| 08:42.26 | theGrg | 7.1 |
| 08:42.27 | mumpitzel | theGrg: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 08:42.41 | theGrg | ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 08:43.01 | iarinov | mumpitzel: how to save settings i add with xrandr to next time i boot and startx? |
| 08:43.21 | theGrg | I will attempt "apt-get install linux-source" and report back. |
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| 08:44.46 | mumpitzel | iarinov: you can either write a custom xorg.conf file, or autostart a xrandr shortcut |
| 08:44.53 | mumpitzel | theGrg: that won't help. |
| 08:45.29 | theGrg | Also: http://pastebin.com/8NUub2hJ |
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| 08:45.39 | mumpitzel | theGrg: unless your kernel packages are very fucked up. which is possible since it's not a debian standard kernel |
| 08:46.03 | mumpitzel | theGrg: is this a VPS or such? |
| 08:46.25 | theGrg | mumpitzel yes it is |
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| 08:46.43 | mumpitzel | then you can't run any VM. you don't have access to your kernel |
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| 08:47.04 | theGrg | mumpitzel can you elaborate on that? |
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| 08:47.45 | mumpitzel | theGrg: your VPS already is a VM |
| 08:48.03 | JHoglund | Hello, it seems that Java fails to draw on my Jessie/Sid. I've had both the OpenJRE and the Oracle 1.7, but the Java applications I try to run just shows grey windows. No error messages and stdout output works fine. Same applications runs fine on Windows, and has on ran on previous Debian installations. Any ideas? |
| 08:48.14 | mumpitzel | theGrg: you cannot modprobe a kernel module which is why you can't run any VM of your own |
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| 08:48.33 | ChrisH | JHoglund: check Java 1.6 from ORacle... some applications do not work using Java 7 |
| 08:48.46 | rgr | Using debian testing, I use gnome network manager to manage my connections (ethernet, wifi and vpn). All fine. BUT wireless is not autostarting from a cold boot. As far as I can see I have a default interfaces file - but NM doesnt use that was my understanding. Any ideas where to start looking? Al wifi connections are marked as "auto". |
| 08:48.57 | theGrg | mumpitzel thank you for pointing that out. |
| 08:49.13 | JHoglund | ChrisH: I thought 1.7 was stable... But, allrightie, I'll give downgrading a try |
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| 08:49.39 | theGrg | mumpitzel so it is not possible at all to run a VM inside a VM? |
| 08:49.42 | ChrisH | JHoglund: Java 7 and Java 6 are different in some points from my experience. |
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| 08:51.09 | mumpitzel | theGrg: bochs maybe :). in practice: no. any decent VM software needs kernel access. it can be possible but it depends on how your VPS is set up. and from the looks of it: it's not possible |
| 08:51.37 | mumpitzel | theGrg: you need to be able to run your own kernel. e.g. if you can run a debian kernel, then you should be able to do it. otherwise: not possible |
| 08:51.54 | Shadur | tries very hard not to snarl at a webhosting customer. |
| 08:52.04 | Shadur | ... No, sir, we are /not/ going to disable the application filter in our firewall so that your 'java upload applet' can work. Ask us again when it's not triggering three separate remote code execution exploit warnings. |
| 08:52.11 | theGrg | mumpitzel alright then. Thanks. |
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| 08:55.25 | tapout | shoudln't ... grep "(2400|2500)" grep either .. 2400 or 2500 ? |
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| 08:55.48 | ChrisH | tapout: egrep -e "2400|2500" |
| 08:56.25 | mumpitzel | ChrisH: wouldn't the many "e" be redundant? isn't egrep for regex by default? |
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| 08:57.08 | ChrisH | mumpitzel: not with SystemV egrep :( Therefore I tend to use the more flexible way. |
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| 08:58.17 | mumpitzel | !kick POSIX |
| 08:58.18 | dpkg | kicks POSIX in the crotch. |
| 08:59.04 | mesoderm | !kick Toshiba |
| 08:59.04 | dpkg | kicks Toshiba in the ass. |
| 08:59.18 | w|t | lol |
| 08:59.29 | w|t | !kick w|t |
| 08:59.29 | dpkg | kicks w|t in the ass. |
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| 09:00.47 | tapout | thanks fellas |
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| 09:04.56 | elfranne | i have a password ssh connection between a server, but how can i ask root to use that ? i tried ssh -i /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@server but it is asking :Enter passphrase for key : (path of key) |
| 09:05.06 | elfranne | i have a passwordless ssh connection between a server, but how can i ask root to use that ? i tried ssh -i /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@server but it is asking :Enter passphrase for key : (path of key) |
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| 09:07.24 | ChrisH | elfranne: has /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub as password on it? It looks like. |
| 09:08.10 | elfranne | ChrisH, no, when i do ssh server as user i login directly |
| 09:09.03 | ChrisH | elfranne: does ssh-add -l as user show some lines? |
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| 09:09.27 | elfranne | yes |
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| 09:12.00 | ChrisH | elfranne: I still assume there is a pasword on that key and your ssh-agent does handle this for you. from man ssh-add, ssh-add -D should drop all keys and then ssh as user should prompt also for the pw |
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| 09:13.30 | elfranne | ChrisH, thx |
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| 09:21.24 | doebi | how do i find the correct drivers for my integrated sd card reader? |
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| 09:23.47 | mumpitzel | doebi: check lsusb or lspci for IDs, search for the IDs on google |
| 09:24.03 | mumpitzel | then you will know what drivers if any you need. oh: if it's ancient hardware, lspcmcia too |
| 09:24.57 | doebi | mumpitzel: well i did that, but none seems to be the card reader |
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| 09:25.22 | mumpitzel | pastebin it and tell us what device it is |
| 09:25.40 | doebi | oh got it |
| 09:25.54 | doebi | it's called 'unassigned class' |
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| 09:26.04 | doebi | Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5229 PCI Express Card Reader |
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| 09:26.37 | mumpitzel | doebi: the USB ID. not any naming |
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| 09:27.00 | doebi | 02:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5229 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01) |
| 09:27.00 | mumpitzel | or in this card pci id. lspci -n |
| 09:27.03 | mumpitzel | lspci -nn |
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| 09:29.30 | Lachezar | Hey all... I'm trying to install Debian Testing, but the Network installer is a 404. |
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| 09:31.42 | Derpian | Lachezar: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 09:32.01 | doebi | mumpitzel: got it working, thx |
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| 09:35.13 | jelly | ChrisH: if you care about it, elfranne was told in ##linux they should have used the private key "id_rsa", not the public key part "id_rsa.pub" for ssh -i |
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| 09:36.04 | ChrisH | ups... I could have seen that too. |
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| 09:46.06 | ksk | hey guys. debian packaging: if i remove a package which is the only to put stuff to mountpoint /mnt/foo (lets say /mnt/foo/somedir) it wants to remove /mnt/foo upon deletion - how do i prevent that? |
| 09:46.13 | oznt | hi everyone, i need to setup virtualenv with python2.6 in debian, but default python ist 2.7, and less `which virtualenv` shows that the script of virtualenv calls /usr/bin/python. so can anyone give me an advice here about multiple python version in debian? |
| 09:46.34 | ksk | oznt: did you try google? |
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| 09:47.03 | oznt | ksk, yes, most of the thing I came up with are debian packagers relevand |
| 09:47.05 | oznt | ksk, yes, most of the thing I came up with are debian packagers relevant |
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| 09:48.12 | Lachezar | oznt: virtualenv can call any python version it sees fit. That should not bother you, the actual virtual environment it creates will not use the default python (if not directed to). |
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| 09:56.54 | CheckDavid | I just downloaded adobe flash projector for linux, i tried double clicking the file inside, after uncompressing the tar.gz folder, but it does nothing. |
| 09:58.15 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: Try from the console. It might have some questions to ask you. |
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| 09:59.34 | nkuttler | oznt: see also virtualenv --help |
| 09:59.56 | CheckDavid | Lachezar, how? open file ? |
| 10:00.02 | CheckDavid | open filename? |
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| 10:00.33 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: open a console and type: 'cd <PATH_TO_EXTRACTED_DIRECTORY>' then type './<NAME_OF_PROGRAM>' |
| 10:00.49 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: Replace the <...> with the appropriate for you. |
| 10:01.32 | CheckDavid | ./flashplayer |
| 10:01.32 | CheckDavid | ./flashplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libXcursor.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:01.32 | CheckDavid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:01.59 | jelly | CheckDavid: pastebin the output of "ldd ./flashplayer" |
| 10:02.01 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: Ahhh... The program has dependencies on stuff that you don't have... |
| 10:02.40 | CheckDavid | http://pastebin.com/Hs4XeRm5 |
| 10:02.53 | CheckDavid | oh |
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| 10:03.19 | CheckDavid | I can't run thsi specific flash file on my browser for some weird reason |
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| 10:04.27 | jelly | CheckDavid: you're going to have to install a shitload of 32bit libraries for that binary to work |
| 10:04.48 | CheckDavid | oh my =( |
| 10:04.57 | CheckDavid | because i am on 32 bit deb? |
| 10:05.05 | CheckDavid | or not related? |
| 10:05.17 | jelly | CheckDavid: are you on 32bit debian really? |
| 10:05.23 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: 'uname -a' |
| 10:05.25 | CheckDavid | i mean 64 |
| 10:05.30 | jelly | CheckDavid: yes. |
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| 10:05.54 | jelly | that's a 32bit app and some of the bits it wants are missing |
| 10:06.02 | CheckDavid | ah damn, and I suppose this flash projector thing is made to run on 32 bit system right? |
| 10:06.08 | CheckDavid | yeah you answered jelly |
| 10:06.15 | Lachezar | Hmmm... I've got both amd64 and i386 versions of libXcursor installed :-/ |
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| 10:06.30 | no_gravity | Hello! Having an A-Record for *.domain.com, will adding another A-Record for something.domain.com work, or will it be overruled by the wildcard? And what might be a good channel to ask this? |
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| 10:07.03 | CheckDavid | Lachezar, should I perceive that as a suggestion? |
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| 10:07.35 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: I have no idea really... Running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS is… A bumpy ride… |
| 10:07.41 | Sevet | Lachezar: that's fine, multiarch lets you have both so both 32bit and 64bit programs can use that library :) |
| 10:08.03 | Sevet | shouldn't be bumpy |
| 10:08.10 | CheckDavid | I see, that lack of backward compatibility. |
| 10:08.24 | Sevet | !tell CheckDavid -about multiarch |
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| 10:08.54 | Lachezar | Sevet: Yeah… You're probably right… I work with Java mostly, and setting up 32 bit Java on a 64 bit *buntu has had it's /funny/ moments. |
| 10:08.58 | Sevet | it's a lot easier on wheezy than squeeze, though you will need to figure out which i386 (ie 32bit) libraries you need to install |
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| 10:12.42 | Lachezar | Sevet: CheckDavid's executable has dependencies on libraries from the firefox and thunderbird packages… Can he install i386 variants of those? I recon it will be… Weird… |
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| 10:15.41 | Lachezar | Oh wait libnss and libnspr provide those too... |
| 10:15.58 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I would expect it will work as expected... let me check |
| 10:16.16 | no_gravity | ChrisH: i tried it too and it works :) |
| 10:16.44 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: Do you still want to try and make this work? |
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| 10:17.44 | ChrisH | no_gravity: works for me, too. |
| 10:18.27 | no_gravity | ChrisH: the world is a friendly place |
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| 10:23.57 | boycottg00gle | is there a command returning the number of cpus? (using grep+wc on /proc/cpuinfo at the moment) |
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| 10:24.27 | el-linedash | grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:25.07 | boycottg00gle | el-linedash: yeah nearly the same hack |
| 10:25.24 | boycottg00gle | el-linedash: something not linux-specific prefered |
| 10:25.38 | el-linedash | no idea then fraid |
| 10:25.44 | boycottg00gle | el-linedash: thanks anyway |
| 10:25.56 | ChrisH | egrep -e "^process" /proc/cpuinfo | tail -1 | cut -d ":" -f 2 |
| 10:26.23 | el-linedash | ChrisH, that's an excessively complex way of doing exactly what my one did |
| 10:26.41 | Walex2 | boycottg00gle: there is no standard way to list hw configuration. |
| 10:26.55 | el-linedash | boycottg00gle, not sure if lscpu is available on whatever platform you're checking |
| 10:27.05 | el-linedash | but if so, it lists num cpu |
| 10:27.38 | boycottg00gle | lscpu looks good - at least it should work an all debian systems |
| 10:27.40 | ChrisH | boycottg00gle: what do you mean by "not linux-specific". Meaning Solaris, HPUX, AIX, Irix and co or more Debian, Suse, and co? |
| 10:28.01 | boycottg00gle | or maybe there is a direct way to tell make -j/-l to use the available number of cpus? |
| 10:28.12 | berarma | boycottg00gle: I think lscou is as linux specific as /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:28.14 | boycottg00gle | ChrisH: any debian sys |
| 10:28.23 | berarma | lscpu* |
| 10:28.25 | boycottg00gle | ChrisH: after all we are in #debian ;-) |
| 10:28.30 | el-linedash | ChrisH, that method is also wrong as the cpu number starts at 0 |
| 10:28.30 | el-linedash | i.e; a 4 core machine will return 3 with your version |
| 10:28.58 | el-linedash | ah |
| 10:29.22 | el-linedash | boycottg00gle, under bsd you could check 'sysctl -a | grep hw.ncpu' |
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| 10:29.58 | ChrisH | el-linedash: my approach is also wrong as it reports the cores not the CPUs as I saw on a sincle quad core box. |
| 10:30.07 | berarma | boycottg00gle: maybe autoconf/autotools has something, that what it's meant for |
| 10:30.25 | el-linedash | So would the method I described. If you want to know the num physical CPUs and not cores then lscpu is the best bet |
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| 10:31.03 | berarma | el-linedash: but lscpu is linux specific |
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| 10:31.07 | boycottg00gle | el-linedash: lscpu looks linux specific, too (strace lscpu => using sysfs) - and ... |
| 10:32.01 | CheckDavid | Lachezar, oh sorry, well, I am nto sure, as you said it would need to isntall a lot of stuff, maybe I would try another route, a way to run flash frmo the browser or something =/ |
| 10:32.06 | berarma | I think there's no standard method (someone already said that), something like autoconf/autotools might be useful here |
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| 10:32.51 | Lachezar | CheckDavid: I've narrowed it down to 8 libraries you'd need to install. |
| 10:32.52 | boycottg00gle | thinking again about it - make should really support it |
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| 10:35.22 | trewas | actually there is option -l in make for managing number of jobs based on load average, which could be even more useful than -j setting it based on number of cores |
| 10:36.20 | boycottg00gle | trewas: -l doesn't really help either (imho) |
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| 10:36.47 | boycottg00gle | trewas: if you have 4 cpus you typically want a load of 4 (afaiu) |
| 10:37.18 | trewas | hmm yeah you need to know that also for -l |
| 10:37.23 | el-linedash | on the topic of load : https://www.dropbox.com/s/ze1o3fnqoet1ywa/lolload.png |
| 10:37.24 | el-linedash | :> |
| 10:37.47 | babilen | -j combines well with nproc to "-j $(nproc)" |
| 10:38.18 | boycottg00gle | el-linedash: now that is big iron ;-) |
| 10:38.37 | el-linedash | 5 min avg of 2.7 trillion :> |
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| 10:39.24 | boycottg00gle | ha nproc |
| 10:40.24 | el-linedash | boycottg00gle, debian is available as both linux + bsd ; so you have two methods, one for linux + one for bsd |
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| 10:41.05 | el-linedash | you can just check the kernel in use to determine bsd/linux and then run the appropriate command |
| 10:41.12 | boycottg00gle | nproc should work on both ? |
| 10:41.19 | boycottg00gle | babilen: thanks! |
| 10:41.28 | el-linedash | possibly ; not got a bsd box to check with |
| 10:42.36 | boycottg00gle | el-linedash: debian/kfreebsd should have it (i guess) |
| 10:42.48 | boycottg00gle | only cares about debian |
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| 10:44.19 | halt | HI all, how can i override on my debian host the dhcp relase time, I want to force my client to ask for the ip offten, ( i change network reguraly and the client does not pick it up and i have to run dhclinet all the time ) |
| 10:44.57 | el-linedash | http://www.lamolabs.org/blog/6194/how-to-override-dhcp-settings-on-a-fedoracentosrhel-linux-box/ |
| 10:45.06 | el-linedash | may be relevant |
| 10:45.40 | babilen | halt: dhclient.conf(5) |
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| 10:47.32 | halt | let me have a look at the dhclinet .conf the trouble is i want to keep everything but the lease time |
| 10:48.29 | babilen | halt: You are, in particular, looking for "send dhcp-lease-time $FOO" -- IIRC the default lease time is configured server-side. |
| 10:48.42 | cardiel | is it possible to compile more governors for liquorix kernel? the latest liquorix kernel only have performance and powersave, i would like to add ondemand also |
| 10:49.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell cardiel -about liquorix |
| 10:49.22 | babilen | cardiel: Ask them! :) |
| 10:49.50 | cardiel | babilen, where? :) , isn't possible to just compile the ones i need? |
| 10:50.21 | babilen | cardiel: The bot sent you a factoid with information about liquorix kernels and where to find support for them. |
| 10:50.22 | vrs | can't you just run dhclient on ifup? |
| 10:50.22 | halt | babilen: Thanks found in in the config, do oyu know it maybe is it in sec or what ? i see in default 3600 which should be 1 hour i think |
| 10:50.22 | cardiel | babilen, i saw the private msg now.. thanks |
| 10:50.32 | babilen | halt: exactly |
| 10:50.51 | babilen | cardiel: Not making ondemand available is, well, a slightly suboptimal choice. |
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| 10:52.21 | cardiel | babilen: yes, i have to use powersave when on battery and when playing video it is stuttering |
| 10:52.35 | expect | anything similar to DC++ in Linux? |
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| 10:52.55 | aypea[1] | /fon |
| 10:52.57 | babilen | cardiel: You can always use a Debian kernel. |
| 10:52.58 | aypea[1] | oops |
| 10:53.34 | cardiel | babilen: if it wont work i will use debian kernel, but liquori has better response, i think |
| 10:54.44 | babilen | cardiel: Sure, you can use whatever you want, but we only support the Debian kernels. Good luck in #zen-sources! :) |
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| 10:55.31 | billions | hey all, I cannot get my nvidia card to work under wheezy. I have installed the nvidia-kernel-amd64 and xserver-xorg-video-nvidia packages. lspci shows the card as an nvidia card, but modprobe nvidia says the module cannot be found |
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| 10:57.36 | vrs | halt: I would just put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ but I can't say I've tried it |
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| 10:57.43 | babilen | billions: We typically recommend following the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- Did you reboot after installing nvidia-kernel-amd64 ? |
| 10:57.57 | billions | yes, I did several times |
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| 10:58.04 | billions | and I am on that page |
| 10:58.59 | halt | vrs: it's a vm so the interface do not go down and came back up when the network is cahnges |
| 10:59.01 | babilen | expect: It would help if you could tell us what DC++ *does* |
| 10:59.03 | berarma | billions: nvidia-kernel-amd64 install the module compiled for a specific kernel, do you use that kernel? |
| 10:59.06 | vrs | halt: ah |
| 10:59.47 | billions | uname-a says generic |
| 10:59.56 | babilen | billions: Could you paste the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*nvidia*"", "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "linux-*"" and "uname -a" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:59.58 | billions | but I am pretty sure it is built on amd64 kernel |
| 11:00.09 | mumpitzel | billions: then you run a ubuntu kernel, not a debian one |
| 11:00.12 | babilen | billions: Also include the output of "apt-cache policy" please. |
| 11:00.14 | expect | DC++ Is a peer2peer network for file sharing |
| 11:00.24 | billions | babilen: ok sec |
| 11:00.41 | berarma | billions: if you followed the wiki instructions you would have installed the dms packages, but don't you follow the instructions? It's good advice |
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| 11:00.52 | mumpitzel | expect: there are directconnect clients I think. |
| 11:01.10 | babilen | expect: acs "direct connect" |
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| 11:01.16 | berarma | dms=dkms* |
| 11:01.19 | WilliamDotSI | will a debian system boot headless |
| 11:01.21 | WilliamDotSI | without any GPU at all? |
| 11:01.24 | babilen | expect: err, make that: apt-cache policy "direct connect" |
| 11:01.26 | WilliamDotSI | Squeeze |
| 11:01.35 | mumpitzel | expect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_%28file_sharing%29#Operating_system_support_2 |
| 11:01.45 | billions | babilen: this is part 1: http://paste.debian.net/35404/ |
| 11:01.57 | mumpitzel | WilliamDotSI: yes. it always did and hopefully always will. I run a headless ystem for years now |
| 11:02.13 | babilen | expect: *sigh* -- I obviously didn't drink enough coffee this morning. I mean: apt-cache search "direct connect" |
| 11:02.13 | WilliamDotSI | also if i had a GPU at install time? |
| 11:02.17 | WilliamDotSI | i basically need the PCIe slot |
| 11:02.17 | mumpitzel | WilliamDotSI: you might need to tell your BIOS to boot without videocard however |
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| 11:02.35 | WilliamDotSI | its EFI and has no issue with that |
| 11:02.35 | mumpitzel | WilliamDotSI: will be fine |
| 11:02.43 | billions | babilen: part 2: http://paste.debian.net/35405/ |
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| 11:03.00 | WilliamDotSI | i might should get a PCI card as replacement though |
| 11:03.02 | WilliamDotSI | to have one |
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| 11:03.12 | mumpitzel | billions: if uname -a says "generic" somwhere you don't run debian |
| 11:03.14 | billions | babilen: uname: Linux fastplayer-Shuttle-1 3.10.5-031005-generic #201308040618 SMP Sun Aug 4 10:19:06 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:03.20 | vrs | is using btrfs for / mature yet? |
| 11:03.29 | babilen | billions: Where is linux-image-3.10.5-031005-generic from? What does "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.10.5-031005-generic" give you? |
| 11:03.36 | billions | hold on |
| 11:04.00 | expect | thanks babilen |
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| 11:04.22 | billions | babilen: output for policy: http://paste.debian.net/35410/ |
| 11:04.27 | babilen | expect: No idea which client is good among those, but that should provide you with some options. |
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| 11:07.39 | babilen | billions: Okay, what about "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.10.5-031005-generic" ? |
| 11:08.56 | TomiK | Hi. I have wmvare/debian -installation and after installation I changed it to static ip-address (ifconfig eth0...). Now I can't connect to the server |
| 11:09.05 | TomiK | any idea how to get it to work again? |
| 11:09.11 | billions | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/35411/ |
| 11:09.33 | mumpitzel | TomiK: how have you set up your VM? NAT, bridged, etc? |
| 11:09.47 | babilen | billions: Where is that kernel from? |
| 11:09.54 | TomiK | mumpitzel: I have my own VM |
| 11:10.00 | billions | babilen: I had someone make it for me |
| 11:10.06 | mumpitzel | TomiK: yes. and it has certain settings |
| 11:10.21 | TomiK | it used to work in 192.168... address and now I even can't get it back to that address |
| 11:10.39 | bhuddah | huh? |
| 11:10.44 | billions | babilen: is it bad? :) |
| 11:10.57 | babilen | billions: Well, why? Okay, the situation is clear: you installed a pre-built kernel module (naturally build for the Debian kernel), but you use a random third-party kernel. There is no module available for that kernel. Why do you use that kernel? |
| 11:11.12 | expect | babilen - thanks, I downloaded "Valknut" is it very good |
| 11:11.24 | babilen | expect: great! have fun! :) |
| 11:11.30 | expect | it is * |
| 11:11.34 | billions | babilen: it was a driver issue with another piece of hardware, where the updated kernel had resoved the bug as far as I recall |
| 11:11.43 | billions | it has been a few months since the switch |
| 11:11.48 | TomiK | mumpitzel: how can I get it back to dhcp ? |
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| 11:12.17 | mumpitzel | TomiK: are you using network manager? |
| 11:12.35 | TomiK | mumpitzel: what's that? |
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| 11:13.01 | TomiK | ( sorry, I'm a linux-newbie ) |
| 11:13.07 | mumpitzel | TomiK: how did you switch to a static IP then? |
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| 11:13.22 | bhuddah | TomiK: can you document what you did and the current state in a pastebin, please? :) |
| 11:13.30 | TomiK | mumpitzel: cli, ifconfig eth0 [ip] netmask [netmask] |
| 11:13.37 | mumpitzel | network manager is some GUI in gnome where you can set your network stuff |
| 11:13.37 | babilen | billions: Okay, my recommendation would be: 1. Purge the prebuilt kernel module packages 2. Purge that third-party kernel (no support, ...) 3. Install a 3.10 kernel from backports (follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel") 4. Install the nvidia drivers as detailed on the wiki which will compile it against all installed kernels for which you have headers installed. (make sure to install linux-headers-amd64 from backports too) |
| 11:13.50 | bhuddah | TomiK: have you set a default gateway too? |
| 11:13.59 | mumpitzel | TomiK: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 should be fine (as long as you aren't only connected via ssh) |
| 11:14.07 | babilen | billions: fwiw, I am not 100% sure if the nvidia driver version in wheezy compiled against the 3.10 kernel in backports |
| 11:14.10 | mumpitzel | bhuddah: irrelevant for LAN |
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| 11:14.21 | berarma | babilen: dkms does it for hi |
| 11:14.22 | TomiK | mumpitzel: I'm connected through vmware currently |
| 11:14.24 | berarma | him* |
| 11:14.26 | mumpitzel | bhuddah: dkms |
| 11:14.32 | billions | babilen: okay, I am copy pasting your instructions and I will take my time to understand and apply them. thank you for all your help |
| 11:14.34 | bhuddah | mumpitzel: not if vmware is trying to nat everything |
| 11:14.42 | mumpitzel | sorry, babilen of course |
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| 11:15.13 | babilen | berarma: I know that DKMS will *attempt* to build the kernel module but I am, as of now, not entirely sure if the driver version in wheezy can be compiled for the backported 3.10 kernel. |
| 11:15.13 | TomiK | mumpitzel: ifup says bound to 192.168.10.225 ... |
| 11:15.16 | mumpitzel | bhuddah: if you use vmware NAT, dhcp is what is used. for obvious reasons |
| 11:15.26 | mumpitzel | TomiK: did you ifdown first? |
| 11:15.28 | berarma | babilen: yes, I know |
| 11:15.31 | TomiK | mumpitzel: yes |
| 11:15.33 | babilen | billions: Sure, let me know if you want me to elaborate on something. :) |
| 11:15.52 | bhuddah | mumpitzel: but he manually switched it to fixed address. so we hardly know |
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| 11:16.09 | mumpitzel | TomiK: do you have a GUI inside your VM? if so which DE? |
| 11:16.10 | billions | babilen: nah, it's all chinese to me anyway :) I am going to forward it to my buddy who is more savvy on this issue |
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| 11:16.24 | TomiK | mumpitzel: I have a gui... let me see what it is |
| 11:16.36 | TomiK | gnome |
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| 11:16.43 | bhuddah | TomiK: in which mode of operation is your vmware? |
| 11:17.05 | bhuddah | TomiK: have you tried executing dhclient to switch back to dhcp (at least temporarily)? |
| 11:17.16 | mumpitzel | TomiK: then you have network manager |
| 11:17.24 | TomiK | bhuddah: I have no idea of modes in vmware |
| 11:17.29 | mumpitzel | TomiK: after a reboot your ifconfig stuff is undone too |
| 11:17.39 | TomiK | wtf? why |
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| 11:17.57 | bhuddah | if you want it permanent you need to set it up in the config files, TomiK |
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| 11:18.36 | TomiK | oh |
| 11:18.47 | babilen | billions: Sure, just make sure to use the DKMS way of installing the nvidia module as that will compile it for all available kernels. My recommendation to switch from your "homebrew" kernel to an official Debian kernel from wheezy-backports is simply based on the assumption that you will find it easier to keep it up-to-date. (that assumes that you don't actually *require* a specific configuration) |
| 11:19.06 | TomiK | well.. now I up ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 ... ifdown eth0 ... ifup eth0 |
| 11:19.19 | TomiK | still doesn't work :( |
| 11:19.35 | TomiK | doesn't give me that "bound to..." message anymore |
| 11:20.01 | bhuddah | TomiK: can you please check the output of "ip a" and "ip r"? |
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| 11:20.13 | TomiK | sure, just a sec |
| 11:20.21 | bhuddah | thx :) |
| 11:21.36 | TomiK | ip r >> 192.68.10.10/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.10.10 |
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| 11:21.47 | TomiK | ip a >> A lot of stuff, what are you interested in? |
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| 11:23.08 | bhuddah | TomiK: maybe just paste it so we can have a look at it |
| 11:23.11 | TomiK | ip a >> for example: eth0 .. inet 192.168.10.10/24 brd 192.168.10.255 scope global eth0 |
| 11:23.25 | TomiK | wondering how to copypaste from vmware console =) |
| 11:23.26 | bhuddah | TomiK: so it is set up in the way you intended it. |
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| 11:23.41 | bhuddah | TomiK: oh, yeah. i forgot -.- sorry. |
| 11:23.58 | TomiK | but why doesn't it work :D It used to work before I set up the static ip |
| 11:24.28 | bhuddah | TomiK: which addresses are you trying to reach for your test? |
| 11:24.49 | TomiK | the ip would be enough at this point |
| 11:25.14 | bhuddah | TomiK: is the ip in the same subnet? |
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| 11:25.49 | TomiK | well, let's try to set it to the same as it was before |
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| 11:26.50 | TomiK | I can't even ping anything from the cli |
| 11:27.10 | TomiK | nor can I connect to the server even I set the IP to the same as it was when it worked |
| 11:27.39 | woshty | Is there a way to get closed source debianized nvidia drivers to work with wheezy bpo 3.9 or 3.10 kernels? |
| 11:27.42 | TomiK | ping says unknown host www.google.com when I write ping www.google.com |
| 11:27.53 | rozie | TomiK: ip r? |
| 11:27.57 | bhuddah | TomiK: and this anything you try to ping is in the same subnet as the machine? |
| 11:27.58 | rozie | and ip a |
| 11:28.13 | bhuddah | TomiK: maybe your dns resolution does not work too |
| 11:28.25 | bhuddah | TomiK: please check the output of "ip r g 8.8.8.8" |
| 11:28.33 | TomiK | what's 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 11:28.41 | berarma | woshty: can you use debian dkms packages? |
| 11:28.43 | bhuddah | google dns server |
| 11:28.54 | bhuddah | generic easy to remember public address |
| 11:29.04 | TomiK | RNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable |
| 11:29.13 | woshty | berarma: no, they do not work |
| 11:29.14 | bhuddah | so you forgot to set a gateway maybe. |
| 11:29.25 | TomiK | where do I put that? |
| 11:29.25 | berarma | woshty: why? |
| 11:29.28 | bhuddah | do you know the ip address of your gateway? |
| 11:29.49 | bhuddah | TomiK: you can set it with "ip r a default via x.x.x.x dev ethX" |
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| 11:31.57 | TomiK | well, it should be what I input, but doesn't work... weird |
| 11:32.10 | TomiK | ok... how do I restore it back to dhcp ? |
| 11:32.12 | woshty | berarma: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717311 |
| 11:32.15 | bhuddah | TomiK: call dhclient |
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| 11:32.51 | TomiK | call: command not found |
| 11:33.01 | TomiK | unless you meant to physically call someone ;) |
| 11:33.13 | bhuddah | TomiK: no not literally input call. just execute "dhclient" |
| 11:33.18 | bhuddah | sorry. |
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| 11:33.25 | bhuddah | (if it is installed of course) |
| 11:33.41 | TomiK | Reloading /etc/samba... |
| 11:34.01 | TomiK | yes, now it works in the old address |
| 11:34.03 | TomiK | thanks |
| 11:34.05 | bhuddah | yeah :) |
| 11:34.11 | bhuddah | TomiK: no prob. |
| 11:34.17 | TomiK | might have to check the subnets later |
| 11:34.19 | TomiK | ;) |
| 11:34.39 | bhuddah | TomiK: yes. and try to compare the output of "ip a" and "ip r" now to before. |
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| 11:36.08 | TomiK | ok, thanks |
| 11:37.12 | berarma | woshty: I thought it was working, maybe some kernel upgrade broke it |
| 11:37.55 | woshty | berarma: works fine with 3.2, but 3.10 is failing |
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| 11:38.23 | berarma | woshty: you can try backporting the nvidia package |
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| 11:39.54 | berarma | babilen: I was wrong, it seems nvidia doesn't compile on latest bpo kernels. It must have been some time since I don't upgrade that computer |
| 11:39.55 | woshty | berarma: imho there should be nvidia packages in bpo. I did. Looks complicated. |
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| 11:40.14 | berarma | woshty: no, it should be easy |
| 11:41.18 | berarma | !tell woshty -about simple sid backport |
| 11:41.58 | berarma | woshty: or wait for someone to do it, I wouldn't recommend installing 3rd party drivers |
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| 11:42.37 | babilen | berarma: yeah, that was my gut feeling, but I don't have a NVIDIA card and therefore don't run into this issue |
| 11:42.48 | babilen | (nor do I track stable) |
| 11:43.35 | nkuttler | i have on my workstation since the wheezy release.. and it's so boring. everything just works |
| 11:43.45 | berarma | woshty: this page has instructions, if you only need to backport one package it should be easy: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 11:44.52 | crose | hello, could anyone help me find out why my file manager (nemo) launches automatically at startup, even though it seems not to be configured to do so ? (http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_-_09052013_-_01_41_28_PM-Sq94I4H6.1378381402.png) |
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| 11:48.19 | themill | jftr, it's not a particularly simple sid backport. |
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| 11:52.25 | AVRS | Hi. I am using Icedove and now (possibly since the update to 17.0.8 on the 30th) it claims (most?) feeds are not valid. Has anyone else seen that? |
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| 11:53.11 | AVRS | It works in Thunderbird 17.0.8 with a new profile. |
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| 12:00.37 | TomiK | bhuddah: I had wrong gateway address |
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| 12:15.30 | Kenran | good morning |
| 12:16.47 | Kenran | I just installed Debian and still in the process of getting used to it. Right now, I have a small problem: I tried to install Skype (I installed Debian with XFCE4 from USB) |
| 12:17.30 | Kenran | it tells me there are missing dependencies, and in the tutorial I found, it says I shall apt-get install -f |
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| 12:17.53 | Kenran | but then apt-get asks me to insert a cdrom |
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| 12:18.30 | Kenran | why is that? I dont even have a usable cdrom drive^^ cant it just take the files needed from the internet? |
| 12:18.33 | rozie | Kenran: just edit your sources.list not to use cd-rom |
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| 12:18.35 | mumpitzel | Kenran: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list. remove the entries starting with "cdrom" |
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| 12:19.34 | bhuddah | TomiK: nice that you found the cause.. :) |
| 12:19.48 | Kenran | rozie, mumpitzel: thank you! |
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| 12:20.45 | uplate | Are people using mosh? I've found it pretty cool :) |
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| 12:21.54 | TomiK | bhuddah: yes, thank you again :) |
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| 12:44.49 | iarinov | hi again |
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| 12:52.34 | Maple__ | Quick question? does add-apt-repository allow adding multiple repos? |
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| 12:52.59 | smile | Hi :) I have trouble compiling Gambas 3.4.x (trunk svn), could someone help me? :) |
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| 12:53.55 | abrotman | smile: there's a #gambas on this network |
| 12:54.05 | abrotman | Maple__: seems like something the man page would cover, no ? |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | smile: otherwise, pastebin your compilation errors |
| 12:54.28 | smile | Okay :D |
| 12:54.40 | Maple__ | abrotman, it doesn't give any such information |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | smile: but gambas3 is already in Debian |
| 12:55.00 | abrotman | Maple__: then i suppose not |
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| 12:55.15 | smile | abrotman: the fix I really need is in trunk :( |
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| 12:55.35 | smile | r5830 of Gambas |
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| 12:57.43 | abrotman | smile: then see my earlier comments |
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| 12:57.52 | babilen | Maple__: And then, you can easily add lines to /etc/apt/sources.list yourself. (echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list) -- That works with multiple lines too. |
| 12:58.07 | Maple__ | I know. |
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| 12:58.36 | babilen | Maple__: What are you trying to do? I've never quite understood the need for add-apt-repository |
| 12:58.40 | smile | I installed libtool, is going much better now :) |
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| 12:59.16 | Maple__ | short bash script, similar to that used for #! setup to automate a bunch of tweaks on a different distro |
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| 13:00.21 | abrotman | babilen: it's for ubuntu users |
| 13:00.29 | babilen | Maple__: Just echo into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/your-fancy-distro.list (or copy it there) and then remove it to "undo". |
| 13:00.38 | abrotman | babilen: vi is too hard .. |
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| 13:01.08 | OpenTokix | Hello, do anyone know how to show current ip for machine when in the busybox installer shell. ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 13:01.24 | Dagger2 | tried `ifconfig` or `ip addr`? |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | OpenTokix: busybox has 'ip' |
| 13:01.43 | abrotman | and ifconfig for that matter |
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| 13:02.35 | OpenTokix | abrotman: the one in the installer dont have ifconfig, but ip addr worked, thanks |
| 13:02.37 | WormFood | how much hassle is it, to take an existing debian box, and add a 2nd hard drive, and make it raid0? |
| 13:03.21 | abrotman | besides the caveats of RAID0 ? |
| 13:03.36 | WormFood | yeah |
| 13:03.57 | WormFood | and I'm talking about software raid |
| 13:04.19 | WormFood | hardware raid should be trivial to do, since it should be transparent to the OS |
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| 13:04.43 | WormFood | let me double check this motherboard, and see if it supports any type of raid, I'm thinking it doesn't. |
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| 13:06.13 | WormFood | I mean, raid1, not raid0 |
| 13:06.15 | smile | "Segmentation fault" :/ |
| 13:07.15 | abrotman | WormFood: that'sw much easier |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | smile: still waiting for your pastebin |
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| 13:07.51 | WormFood | raid0 should be called AID0, since it's like anti-raid....way more chance to lose your data, since one drive dies, and you lose everything |
| 13:07.54 | smile | abrotman: yeah, I was trying :) |
| 13:07.55 | Kenran | Hi again. Just did my first reboot where I actually watched the screen, and it scared me to hell |
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| 13:08.19 | babilen | Kenran: Why's that? |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | WormFood: hence my comment about caveats |
| 13:08.20 | Kenran | I get something like "BUG: CPU#1 stuck for 23s!" |
| 13:08.32 | Kenran | this repeats about 10-20 times until the system actually boots |
| 13:08.55 | WormFood | Kenran, what kind of cpu/motherboard do you have? |
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| 13:09.39 | babilen | And which kernel do you use? |
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| 13:10.13 | Kenran | WormFood: I don't know how to find out the motherboard when under Debian (and this is not my laptop), but the cpu is AMD Athlon II dual core P320 2.1G |
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| 13:10.55 | WormFood | ^ what babilen said |
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| 13:11.35 | WormFood | when I upgraded my system to an i7, it would only see it as having one cpu, until I upgraded my kernel. I suspect that may be your problem too |
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| 13:12.51 | Kenran | WormFood: I'll give you the exact kernel version in a second, but I can say as much as that I downloaded it 3 days ago, and it was the newest Debian XFCE image back then |
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| 13:13.20 | WormFood | would it be easier for me to just reinstall debian, as a raid1, and just copy over my config files/data? (I'm upgrading from a single 500 gig, to a pair (mirror) 3tb drives.) |
| 13:13.31 | WormFood | uname -a will tell you |
| 13:13.46 | Kenran | WormFood: I just found out that it does :) |
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| 13:14.24 | Kenran | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:16.57 | smile | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/PkFJwiRY |
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| 13:18.22 | abrotman | smile: this is not #mint, please use their support |
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| 13:20.55 | Kenran | ASUSTeK Computer Inc. K72Dr |
| 13:21.02 | Kenran | this could be the motherboard |
| 13:21.20 | WormFood | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/12/7/299 <-- this seems to be a rather old bug |
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| 13:21.55 | WormFood | "It would appear from reading that thread on the lkml that the temporary fix is to set a boot option of NO_HZ=y." <-- try that, and see if it helps |
| 13:22.29 | smile | abrotman: Mint is Ubuntu is Debian :) there's not that much difference between those three :) |
| 13:22.33 | babilen | Kenran: Please try the kernel from backports and report that bug. |
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| 13:23.07 | babilen | smile: Well, we do not support LMDE (or any other distribution that is based on Debian in here) for a number of technical and social reasons. So, if you want our support install and use Debian. |
| 13:23.12 | WormFood | smile, if you really believe that, then you're deluding yourself |
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| 13:23.35 | smile | babilen: that's what I did :D install debian netinst ;) |
| 13:23.39 | babilen | smile: And if you really believe that you should just use Debian, but either way: You know your options and I wish you all the best. |
| 13:23.57 | WormFood | smile, we have no idea what crazy stuff they've changed in Mint, how are we supposed to support it? |
| 13:24.08 | yapp | hi, had any one of you managed to install linux on a ms surface or other winRT device? |
| 13:24.10 | babilen | Lets move on, please. |
| 13:24.31 | Kenran | WormFood: sorry for being such a newbie, but to "set a boot option", is that something I should add to the GRUB configuration? |
| 13:24.38 | WormFood | yapp, why not just buy a tablet that support linux |
| 13:24.42 | WormFood | yes Kenran |
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| 13:25.13 | yapp | WormFood: because MS got a low price atm |
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| 13:25.20 | abrotman | smile: Mint is not DEbian |
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| 13:25.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell smile about mint |
| 13:25.45 | babilen | Kenran: Also, please make sure that you have the latest microcode installed. |
| 13:25.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kenran about microcode |
| 13:26.11 | WormFood | Kenran, edit /etc/default/grub, following the instructions on the 1st line of the file |
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| 13:28.31 | Kenran | WormFood: thanks, I just found that out myself, too, by hopping from file to file^^ they are nicely documented! |
| 13:28.37 | Kenran | so even I can find my way somehow |
| 13:29.03 | Kenran | babilen: so much new stuff.. ;) I first have to find out how to change tabs in irssi to see the message ;) |
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| 13:29.27 | Kenran | ah, found it |
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| 13:29.41 | theGrg | Hi I'm trying to set up ssh-key authentication to be able to do: ssh root@localhost without a password |
| 13:29.54 | theGrg | Can someone please walk me through it? |
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| 13:30.14 | theGrg | I don't have a .ssh, all my keys are in /etc/ssh |
| 13:30.28 | Kenran | babilen: I just installed amd64-microcode, it wasn't installed yet |
| 13:30.42 | ChrisH | theGrg: show us what you did so far and where it fails. Keys in /etc/ssh sounds strange |
| 13:30.52 | WormFood | theGrg, add your key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:30.56 | ChrisH | theGrg: use paste.debian.net |
| 13:31.08 | WormFood | make sure that you set the permission and ownership correctly |
| 13:31.23 | Kenran | I'm gonna reboot now; I'll come back if it still fails, otherwise thank you for the help! |
| 13:31.39 | babilen | Kenran: Good, please reboot and check if that solves something. I would also try the backported 3.10 kernel and see if that makes a difference. (cf. "/msg dpkg bdo kernel") |
| 13:31.42 | WormFood | Kenran, even if it does work, stop back buy and let us know |
| 13:31.55 | babilen | And yeah, please let us know ;) |
| 13:32.00 | Kenran | okay :) |
| 13:32.02 | Kenran | then brb |
| 13:32.07 | WormFood | good luck ;) |
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| 13:33.07 | WormFood | theGrg, you'll need to make an .ssh directory, set it's permissions to only be accessible by root (chmod 700) |
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| 13:34.06 | WormFood | ok, back to my raid1 questions....I only have a limited time in which to do everything....less than 12 hours (and I need to sleep too) |
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| 13:34.24 | Kenran | works fine :) |
| 13:34.27 | WormFood | how hard is it, to upgrade it from no raid, to raid1? |
| 13:34.30 | WormFood | great Kenran |
| 13:34.51 | WormFood | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9775042/how-nohz-on-affects-do-timer-in-linux-kernel <-- you might find this interesting reading, on the subject (not about your problem, but about the timers) |
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| 13:35.15 | Kenran | and quickly, I have to say. If I encounter any more problems similar to this, I'll upgrade the kernel as babilen suggested, but I'll leave it like this for now |
| 13:35.17 | theGrg | WormFood ChrisH http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6d492479/ |
| 13:35.47 | txomon|fon | anyone know how to change cpu's clock timezone? I am using windows withing a debian partition and always have the clock wrong in windows |
| 13:36.11 | Kenran | one more question: is there a Debian version without any window manager pre-installed? Or is it possible (and not too hard) to remove XFCE and go for something more lightweight instead? |
| 13:36.18 | WormFood | I never expect to have an accurate clock in winblows :P |
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| 13:36.35 | jelly | Kenran: you don't have to install X at all if you don't want to |
| 13:36.41 | txomon|fon | Kenran, yes, in installation don't select "Desktop environment" |
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| 13:36.50 | babilen | Kenran: yay, so upgrading the microcode fixed it? \o/ |
| 13:36.55 | WormFood | if you dual boot, you need to have debian using local time, otherwise, windows won't work right....there is supposed to be a way to get windows to use utc, but not sure how supported it is |
| 13:37.15 | WormFood | babilen, he just changed the timer |
| 13:37.24 | Kenran | babilen: oh, that would be interesting to know! I set the boot option WormFood suggested AND upgraded the microcode |
| 13:37.25 | WormFood | he didn't change the kernel, just a kernel option |
| 13:37.29 | txomon|fon | WormFood, I prefer to modify linux |
| 13:37.39 | Kenran | I'll remove the boot option before my next reboot |
| 13:37.40 | ChrisH | theGrg: the keys in /etc/ssh with host in name are needed to authticate the system. You need to start as the user you want to run ssh as: ssh-keygen and follow the question. |
| 13:37.42 | WormFood | oh....I didn't realize you updated the microcode too |
| 13:37.45 | Kenran | to see if that was it, or the microcode ;) |
| 13:38.01 | WormFood | right, it's good to know ;) |
| 13:38.20 | WormFood | txomon|fon, you'd perfer to have Linux, rely on an inaccurate clock? |
| 13:38.33 | Kenran | WormFood, I remember a maybe similar problem when I installed Gentoo years ago |
| 13:38.35 | WormFood | how do you know if gaylight "savings" time is in effect? |
| 13:38.44 | themill | !windows utc |
| 13:38.44 | dpkg | Setting the BIOS clock to <UTC> is a little more difficult if you dual-boot with legacy operating systems that think that local time is a good choice. Windows can be instructed to handle a BIOS clock in UTC too: http://superuser.com/a/185780/130459 |
| 13:38.46 | Kenran | it would give me hundreds of warnings about the system clock on startup |
| 13:38.55 | theGrg | ChrisH could you please elaborate more on what the keys in /etc/ssh are used for? |
| 13:38.59 | babilen | Kenran: Always change *one* thing at the time so you know what fixed it. :) |
| 13:39.05 | WormFood | I'd rather leave the clock on UTC, and change windows. |
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| 13:39.30 | WormFood | babilen, what if the solution is more than one change? :P |
| 13:39.31 | crised | I will buy a device that uses angstrom |
| 13:39.37 | crised | is this a debian distro right? |
| 13:39.58 | babilen | WormFood: We are all doomed in that case :) |
| 13:40.01 | straterra | Is there a way to some how get an answer file for preseeding from an existing install? Like..do the install by hand with the settings I want, then have that generate a preseed file? |
| 13:40.11 | txomon|fon | ty themill |
| 13:40.46 | WormFood | theGrg, you make the .ssh/authorized_keys on the machine you want to login to, not on the host you're connecting from |
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| 13:41.03 | Kenran | txomon|fon: and thanks, maybe I'm just going to reinstall Debian tonight and go for the non-WM install then. So I can choose "awesome" or something after :) really liked that one |
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| 13:41.22 | txomon|fon | themill, and changing linux to not use the clock in utc but in local time? |
| 13:41.23 | babilen | Kenran: Why would you have to reinstall? |
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| 13:41.48 | WormFood | I have a serious problem running my clock in anything other than UTC |
| 13:41.55 | txomon|fon | Kenran, take into account WM != Desktop environment |
| 13:41.59 | WormFood | that that is the unpredictable nature of Winblows. |
| 13:42.03 | theGrg | WormFood in this case they are the same machine though since I want to "ssh root@localhost" |
| 13:42.22 | ChrisH | theGrg: your ssh client can verify if the answering system is the same you connected to the last time |
| 13:42.24 | themill | txomon|fon: it's easier if they are both UTC |
| 13:42.25 | WormFood | what if windows adjusts the time, for gaylight savings time, and crashes, or you boot a 2nd installation of Windows...now your clock will be wrong for sure. |
| 13:42.25 | Kenran | babilen: I guess I don't have to, but knowing my "skills" with installing/uninstalling stuff, it would probably take me less time to just install again as lightweight as possible |
| 13:42.38 | themill | WormFood: you seem to keep mistyping g for d. |
| 13:42.41 | txomon|fon | WormFood, I prefer to rely in linux's adaptive nature than in window's |
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| 13:43.04 | WormFood | windows is unpredictable |
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| 13:43.21 | txomon|fon | WormFood, that is why I prefer to rely in linux adapting |
| 13:43.24 | WormFood | you want to leave the accuracy of your clock, to windows? |
| 13:43.28 | txomon|fon | no |
| 13:43.30 | txomon|fon | both can change it |
| 13:43.36 | WormFood | you can change windows too |
| 13:43.40 | txomon|fon | is just that the clock is in UTC or Local |
| 13:43.49 | txomon|fon | yea but ntp will take care on that |
| 13:43.51 | themill | txomon|fon: you'd need to rely on both operating systems getting the shift to and from DST right |
| 13:43.55 | WormFood | using local time, is silly |
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| 13:44.12 | WormFood | it's hard to believe windows actually expects the clock to be in local time |
| 13:44.22 | JoEnr | Hey all- I've got a luks encrypted vfat partition on a USB stick that I thought I'd be able to open in Windows, but it seems FreeOTFE can only work on file based volumes.. Can anybody confirm this? |
| 13:44.43 | WormFood | windows 3.1/95/98/me I'd expect....but NT?....It's supposed to be "NEW Technology"....but really it's not |
| 13:45.03 | Kenran | IIRC there was an "advanced install" (or similar) option when I installed Debian. Using this, could I strip the installation down even more? I don't need stuff like GIMP or the office suite |
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| 13:45.38 | themill | Kenran: all the installers are the same, the only difference is when you download the packages you need |
| 13:45.38 | txomon|fon | so... do you know which is the parameter to change or not? |
| 13:45.42 | txomon|fon | !utc |
| 13:45.42 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. |
| 13:45.51 | txomon|fon | ok done |
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| 13:46.20 | JoEnr | Kenran, just unselect all the tasks when it gets to that point in the install and it'll just install a base system... I don't even have 'less' right after a fresh install :) |
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| 13:47.02 | Kenran | okay :) Thanks again, you guys are really helpful! |
| 13:47.22 | babilen | Kenran: I would strongly recommend to install the "Standard" task. |
| 13:47.33 | Uranio | hi, I'm trying to use uim-fep, change deafult input method but still inputing latin directly (cuba have not acces to google code) |
| 13:47.52 | Kenran | babilen: was this the first checked box in the dialogue? |
| 13:47.59 | Kenran | I don't remember its name |
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| 13:48.16 | txomon|fon | Kenran, I would recommend you install SSH |
| 13:48.20 | txomon|fon | also |
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| 13:49.13 | theGrg | Alright. Thanks ChrisH WormFood |
| 13:49.38 | babilen | Kenran: But then you can easily purge xfce4 by running "apt-get purge xfce4 xfce4-goodies task-desktop task-xfce-desktop ; apt-get --purge autoremove" |
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| 13:50.09 | babilen | Kenran: The name is "Standard", but I do not remember its position in the list. |
| 13:50.41 | Kenran | ah yes, I remember |
| 13:50.49 | JoEnr | Kenran, I'm fairly certain Standard is at the top...SSH is near the bottom |
| 13:51.10 | theGrg | ChrisH I got disconnected there for a little while, not sure if you answered me, but what are the keys on /etc/ssh used for exactly? |
| 13:51.20 | Kenran | I remember there was 4 things I got; must have been something like "standard", "desktop", "ssh", and "laptop" IIRC |
| 13:51.38 | Kenran | well, then I can surely just purge the stuff as you say *writes down the commands" |
| 13:51.44 | deego | After a wheezy upgrade, I wish to run aptitude upgrade one final time - and that wants to deinstall some 100 no longer needed packages. How do I ask aptitude to purge if it does that? |
| 13:51.45 | Kenran | thanks, I gotta go now, cu! |
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| 13:53.02 | WormFood | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html <-- this is an interesting read, about window's support of a UTC clock....it seems they're supporting it now |
| 13:53.10 | deego | Ah, rather, it's the "aptitude install" command that wants to remove some packages. |
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| 13:55.08 | ChrisH | theGrg: your ssh client can verify if the answering system is the same you connected to the last time. man-in-the-middle |
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| 14:01.15 | theGrg | ChrisH ah ok |
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| 14:04.48 | SirLagz | does debian have a vlan number that is a trunk or anything ? |
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| 14:05.35 | codepython777 | My machine crashed. How does one find out what was wrong after a new boot? Are there any automated tools to help with this? |
| 14:05.54 | SirLagz | codepython777: you can check log files in /var/log |
| 14:05.59 | SirLagz | messages, syslog, daemon.log |
| 14:06.19 | ChrisH | codepython777: check messages and aslong it is no server with a LOM/DRAC the chance is low to collect additional information |
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| 14:06.52 | jelly | SirLagz: can you rephrase your vlan question please? |
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| 14:08.01 | SirLagz | jelly: I'm trying to use hostapd to create a wireless bridge. |
| 14:08.08 | SirLagz | jelly: I have another device connecting to this hostapd |
| 14:08.20 | SirLagz | jelly: and hostapd docos say that it uses vlans when i activate 4 address mode |
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| 14:08.53 | jelly | oh, I have zero clues about 4addr |
| 14:09.04 | SirLagz | exactly the same number as me lol |
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| 14:09.17 | SirLagz | been trying this on and off for the last 5 months |
| 14:09.20 | SirLagz | can't get the damn thing working |
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| 14:09.41 | SirLagz | jelly: how about vlans in general |
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| 14:10.04 | bhuddah | vlans alone aren't that hard. |
| 14:10.16 | jelly | SirLagz: vlans are great! :-D |
| 14:10.19 | SirLagz | haha |
| 14:10.35 | SirLagz | bhuddah: yeah, I figure it's just a vlan id = a logically separated network |
| 14:10.38 | jelly | when they run on wires that is |
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| 14:11.17 | SirLagz | yep. |
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| 14:11.34 | bhuddah | SirLagz: yes. simply put. but it gets a bit complicated when you want to route between them and when you have more intelligent network equipment. |
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| 14:11.47 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 14:12.07 | SirLagz | bhuddah: I'm just trying to do this between 2 Raspberry Pis |
| 14:12.14 | johnfg | I've disabled network manager for all my debian installs, due to my networking needs. |
| 14:12.14 | SirLagz | One is acting as a wireless access point |
| 14:12.26 | SirLagz | the other is acting as a client trying to connect, but bridging it's ethernet port to the wifi |
| 14:12.40 | johnfg | However, I noticed on this wheezy box, that I still got this: http://dpaste.com/1366909/ |
| 14:12.40 | bhuddah | SirLagz: so you got the basics right, like installing the vlan package and setting up the local vlan interfaces? |
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| 14:12.50 | SirLagz | bhuddah: well i have the vlan package installed |
| 14:12.57 | SirLagz | but I'm not sure about the local vlan interfaces |
| 14:13.12 | SirLagz | I'm trying to work out whether wlan0.sta1 is meant to be a local vlan interface, or whether hostapd is confusing me |
| 14:13.14 | johnfg | That's from /var/log/syslog, and came when I selected 'new' in an urxvt terminal. |
| 14:13.16 | bhuddah | SirLagz: usually something like 24@eth0 or something like that. |
| 14:13.17 | codepython777 | SirLagz: still no clue what happened. The only "Error" is see in those 3 files are 1) /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 143: Error: unknown payload OID 2) Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered 3) rtc_cmos: probe of rtc_cmos failed with error |
| 14:13.28 | codepython777 | ChrisH: what is LOM/DRAC? |
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| 14:13.53 | JoEnr | SirLagz, vconfig ethX (vlan id); ifconfig ethX.(vlan id) |
| 14:13.58 | bhuddah | codepython777: lom is lights out management |
| 14:14.07 | codepython777 | I dont have anything like that |
| 14:14.25 | SirLagz | JoEnr: would I do that with wlan0.sta1 then ? |
| 14:14.33 | ChrisH | codepython777: iLOM,DRAC are network attached serial console including service processors. standard for real[tm] servers |
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| 14:15.11 | ChrisH | codepython777: run ls -rtl /var/log and check the newest files for hints. Install mcelog |
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| 14:18.03 | codepython777 | ChrisH: is just installing mcelog enough? |
| 14:18.59 | ChrisH | codepython777: not only the newest but also the newest before the reboot. mcelog is usefull if its a HW issue and will help you to detect it the next time. |
| 14:19.53 | codepython777 | ChrisH: understood, thanks |
| 14:21.03 | ChrisH | codepython777: my final crashes all showed up as HW issues. faulty CPUs, faulty capacitors, Power supplies |
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| 14:22.46 | codepython777 | ChrisH: Thanks |
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| 14:23.41 | Kunda | if I have services in /etc/cron.d/ that I have disabled in the system, like munin. What is the appropriate way to disable them in cron.d/ but not erase them ? |
| 14:24.02 | ksk | put a "#" in front of the command |
| 14:25.12 | Kunda | do i need to "services reload <something>" after that ? |
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| 14:26.30 | abrotman | Kunda: no |
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| 14:27.05 | crose | hello, i'm going to change my cpu and my mobo (from AMD athlon XII to intel core i3-3220), will i need to reinstall debian (64 bits) on my ssd or can i simply plug it to the new mobo ? |
| 14:27.14 | Kunda | thanks |
| 14:28.04 | mumpitzel | crose: no |
| 14:28.05 | SirLagz | crose: just plug and play |
| 14:28.20 | crose | ok thank you very much ^^ |
| 14:28.40 | mumpitzel | crose: if your videocard changes and you use proprietary drivers you might have to change them. but you never need to reinstall due to hardware change like this |
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| 14:29.15 | crose | mumpitzel : i don't have any videocard, so i hope i won't have any such problem ^^ |
| 14:29.57 | mumpitzel | crose: which videodriver do you use right now? fglrx, nvidia or radeon/nouveau ? |
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| 14:30.25 | crose | mumpitzel : that's a good question, how do i check it ? |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | crose: are you changing your video card? or just the mobo? |
| 14:30.48 | crose | abrotman: just cpu + mobo |
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| 14:35.14 | mumpitzel | abrotman: he changes both. he has no videocard so his videochip is on the mobo, or the cpu in case of the i3 |
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| 14:35.26 | crose | mumpitzel : i think i'm using radeon, because in the result of this command : lspci -k, i can read among other things : Kernel driver in use: radeon |
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| 14:35.54 | mumpitzel | crose: good. then you don't need to do anything. X should work with the new cpu out of the box then |
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| 14:36.42 | crose | mumpitzel : ok, great problem solved then ^^ |
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| 14:39.34 | abrotman | mumpitzel: he didn't say he has no video card? |
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| 14:42.09 | mumpitzel | 16:29 < crose> mumpitzel : i don't have any videocard, so i hope i won't have any such problem ^^ |
| 14:42.34 | mumpitzel | my guess is some AMD radeon 3200 or 4200. or some nvidia 7025 or so |
| 14:42.47 | mumpitzel | which is why I had to ask explictly |
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| 14:45.19 | AVRS | My issue with Icedove claiming feeds "not a valid feed" was resolved by clearing the cache/cookies. |
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| 14:48.16 | pha | AVRS: Should always be the first thing you do :) |
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| 14:51.57 | AVRS | pha: well, I haven't used feeds much in the past, so didn't think there was cache to clear |
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| 15:12.43 | zafu | hi, let's say I "dh-make-perl --install --cpan JSON::DWIW", it fails, I correct a typo in META.json, now what command should I issue to build the .deb from the untarred source I just patched? |
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| 15:24.52 | karlpinc | I've a 3TB disk that I want one partition on. I figure I must use a gpt partition table, which means using parted. But parted complains my alignment is not "optimal". I figure I'm aligning by making the partition from 40KiB to -40KiB, to get 4K alignment (with a bit of slop, 24KiB at each end to be exact.) What else to I need for better alignment? |
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| 15:26.53 | karlpinc | (parted is so unhelpful as to be, well, bad) |
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| 15:28.10 | zafu | karlpinc: use gdisk |
| 15:29.12 | karlpinc | zafu: apt says it's in beta. Does it work? |
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| 15:29.23 | zafu | yes |
| 15:29.43 | karlpinc | (wheezy) |
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| 15:30.24 | babilen | karlpinc: Mind showing us the output of "gdisk -l /dev/sdX" ? |
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| 15:34.44 | karlpinc | babilen: I've already started screwing around with gdisk deleting the partition I made with parted. |
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| 15:39.37 | lautriv | anyone used to iscsi ? i have the problem my initram tried to use the target once butr not anymore ( update-initramfs doesn't produce the usual /etc/iscsi/* ) |
| 15:39.46 | karlpinc | May as well put an efi system partition on there too I guess, so I can boot. Meanwhile, I don't suppose it matters, but what sort of hex code should I give the second partition, which will be crypted and have it's own partition table inside it? |
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| 15:40.49 | babilen | karlpinc: May I still see it? |
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| 15:40.56 | babilen | karlpinc: I don't care about the partitions |
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| 15:41.44 | karlpinc | babilen: Ok. I made the partition table (disk label) with parted, then did the rest with gdisk. Hang on. |
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| 15:42.32 | babilen | karlpinc: I simply want to check the alignment, hence my question :) |
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| 15:44.12 | karlpinc | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/35530/ |
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| 15:45.35 | babilen | karlpinc: You want your first sector (and subsequent ones) on multiples of 512 (e.g. 512, 1024, ...) |
| 15:45.49 | babilen | karlpinc: (not 48) |
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| 15:46.18 | karlpinc | babilen: readahead size? |
| 15:46.19 | babilen | s/first sector/first partition sector/ |
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| 15:46.48 | karlpinc | babilen: What's the alignment issue here? |
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| 15:47.51 | baudtack | anyone using lil' debi? having some issues with it and can't seem to find a channel specific to it |
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| 15:48.46 | babilen | karlpinc: You don't start on multiples of the sector size. Lets see if I can find a good link about this :) -- The essentialy issue is that the disk will read 512 chunks and if you don't align with what is being read you might have to read two where one might suffice. |
| 15:49.42 | karlpinc | babilen: 512 chunks of 512KiB blocks? (in hardware?) |
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| 15:50.15 | karlpinc | babilen: (I'm sure the drive has 4KiB blocks internally.) |
| 15:50.20 | babilen | karlpinc: http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Partition_Alignment has nice pictures :) |
| 15:50.31 | babilen | karlpinc: Oh, is it one of those drives that lie to make Windows happy? |
| 15:50.59 | babilen | karlpinc: Lets see "smartctl -a /dev/sda" |
| 15:51.02 | karlpinc | babilen: Yup. A 3TiB drive, but I see that gdisk reports it's got 512B blocks. |
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| 15:51.50 | babilen | karlpinc: There shouldn't be a discrepancy between logical and physical sector size, but some drives lie for the benefit of MS Windows (that for some reason wouldn't be able to deal with 4k sectors) |
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| 15:52.07 | babilen | (haven't looked into the Windows issues, but read that explanation somewhere) |
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| 15:53.10 | karlpinc | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/35532/ (Sorry, 3TB, not 3TiB) |
| 15:54.07 | jelly | windows alignes the partition beginnings to 1MiB since Vista. If you do that you ought to be reasonably safe |
| 15:54.13 | jelly | aligns* |
| 15:54.48 | babilen | Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical |
| 15:54.57 | galex-713 | Why WebM videos converted with avconv are set on « 90001 fps » ? And why avconv take 2 minutes to convert 2s ? |
| 15:55.02 | galex-713 | s/ ?/?/ |
| 15:55.09 | karlpinc | babilen: Yeah. I just don't trust the hardware. :) |
| 15:55.16 | babilen | There is also a good article on these 4kb sector drives and alignment issues over at IBM dev works. |
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| 15:55.45 | karlpinc | jelly: Thanks. |
| 15:55.55 | babilen | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/ |
| 15:57.14 | karlpinc | Wow. That was exciting. That ibm link got me html displayed in the browser. I can't recall that ever happening before. (XML yes, but not HTML.) |
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| 15:58.29 | jelly | !4kb |
| 15:58.29 | dpkg | Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html for more information. |
| 15:58.49 | jelly | babilen: if that link is nice, you might add it to the factoid! |
| 15:58.52 | jelly | </lazy> |
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| 15:59.08 | babilen | hehe |
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| 16:00.14 | babilen | done |
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| 16:00.20 | karlpinc | I now recall that the crazyness is that the drives lie, such that the 4K boundry is at block 64 (? or some such) the first free slot after the end of the dos disk label. So, aligning to what the drive reports as a 4K boundry does not actually align on a 4K boundry. |
| 16:00.28 | jelly | !give babilen a cookie |
| 16:00.28 | dpkg | gives babilen a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
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| 16:00.46 | karlpinc | (block 62?) |
| 16:01.25 | jelly | karlpinc: that setup usually requires a jumper seting or vendor-specific tools to set up |
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| 16:01.42 | jelly | also, only xp benefits from that |
| 16:01.54 | karlpinc | jelly: Well, I got it out of the box and dropped it in the enclosure without looking. |
| 16:02.07 | jelly | karlpinc: go look! |
| 16:02.45 | karlpinc | jelly: Killjoy. That would keep me from bitching. :) But seriously, how would I know for sure? |
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| 16:03.15 | karlpinc | jelly: I suspect your 1MiB alignment rule takes care of the problem. |
| 16:03.22 | jelly | benchmark 4KiB writes with different offsets, draw conclusions |
| 16:03.45 | jelly | there's no other way to do it under the assumption that drive firmware lies |
| 16:05.03 | karlpinc | jelly: I could do the math and come up with an alignment that always works. Surely I can trust MS to have done it for me and use 1MiB, right? ;-) |
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| 16:05.38 | jelly | heheh |
| 16:06.21 | jelly | on my previous machine, partitions were aligned both to C/H/S of */240/63 and 1MiB |
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| 16:07.32 | jelly | xp would mysteriously bsod on shutdown unless its partition end was CHS aligned |
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| 16:07.45 | nmpro | was wondering.. can apache2 be installed using either worker or event MPM from the debian repos? or do the repos only support prefork MPM installations? |
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| 16:08.14 | jelly | nmpro: apt-cache search apache2-mpm |
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| 16:08.58 | jelly | (see what exists in your configured repos) |
| 16:08.58 | onr | how to install a package from repo without its dependencies? |
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| 16:09.20 | jelly | onr: that would break apt, you don't want to do that |
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| 16:10.00 | jelly | onr: if there's a particular dependency you wish to avoid, look at equivs |
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| 16:10.33 | onr | jelly: i've built dependencies from source before |
| 16:10.34 | jelly | onr: it that dependency is just a Recommends:, use aptitude's --without-recommends at installation |
| 16:10.37 | venus_ | go to synaptic, choose the package and then deselect the dependencies that comes with it |
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| 16:10.46 | no_gravity | Hello! How are processids created? I thought they only go up. But I see a process on one of my machines that is from 20 days ago but has a higher processid then new processes. |
| 16:10.49 | jelly | onr: use equivs for those, then |
| 16:11.02 | SrTW | Hello. I've got an i7. What architecture I choose? i7 don't be in the web. Thanks ;) |
| 16:11.04 | onr | venus_: how to do it from console? |
| 16:11.14 | jelly | SrTW: amd64 |
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| 16:11.23 | SrTW | jelly: thx |
| 16:11.31 | onr | jelly: equivs look like what i need. thanks |
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| 16:17.24 | jned | do you need a special distro for thin client hardware? |
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| 16:18.15 | Xfaulz | Hello guys, I installed and setup cryptswap, and I also use PAE support, I run on a 32-bit distro, I have 4GB ram, when I type "free -m", it gives me: total used free shared buffers cachedMem: 3631 3433 197 0 22 2061-/+ buffers/cache: 1348 2282Swap: 5504 0 5504, it says I only have 4GB ram? what the hell, I heard PAE support gives you 7GB ram or s |
| 16:18.16 | Xfaulz | omething if you have 4GB RAM, and is cryptswap the cause for this? |
| 16:18.35 | crose | jned: i would say a light desktop environment like xfce, lxde or build something around openbox |
| 16:19.00 | onr | jelly: eh, equivs is cumbersome to use |
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| 16:20.47 | jelly | onr: so is installing stuff from source! |
| 16:20.48 | jsaak | Xfaulz: no software will put more memory in your computer |
| 16:20.56 | crose | onr : not sure, but maybe you can try 'aptitude unmarkauto <name of dependencies>' |
| 16:21.06 | azcodex | hey guys, im new on linux and we have a problem with packages. when i run 'aptitude install -f' see KDE packages, im using MATE. how i can remove these packages? thanks :) |
| 16:21.07 | mullein | flashes back to the empty promises of QEMM |
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| 16:21.45 | ChrisH | mullein: some years ago... |
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| 16:22.36 | mtn | azcodex: you aren't running debian, are you? |
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| 16:22.55 | azcodex | i use debian testing :) |
| 16:23.13 | mtn | azcodex: I didn't think mate was in debian |
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| 16:23.33 | azcodex | yep :) |
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| 16:24.00 | onr | crose: it did nothing |
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| 16:24.33 | azcodex | mtn, http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download -- works in Fedora, LMint, Ubuntu, Sabayon, Salix, OpenSuse, Debian... |
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| 16:25.07 | mtn | azcodex: right, and this channel won't support it after you install a de from out of the debain sources |
| 16:25.23 | lulz0r | So I had a debian server running for a while and then got a black out a few hours ago. Since then I can't connect to apache/ftp nor to ssh, putty tells me "connection refused", I can ping the server though. Anything I can still try before I need to physically connect a keyboard + monitor? |
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| 16:25.43 | Xfaulz | hey guys, is installing windows 7 on a virtualbox is harmful? |
| 16:25.45 | lulz0r | btw, I already restarted the server once manually, didn't change anything |
| 16:25.49 | azcodex | ok, but my problem is on 'aptitude install -f' |
| 16:25.54 | crose | onr : it should have removed the 'auto' flag on the dependencies, so maybe now you can install your package without the dependencies being pulled (not sure though, make a simulation of the installation first to see what would happen : 'aptitude -s install <my package>') |
| 16:25.56 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: how long since it was rebooted? |
| 16:26.01 | azcodex | see KDE packages when i dont install these |
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| 16:26.11 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: It is probably doing fsck due to "long time since last fsck was done" |
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| 16:26.40 | azcodex | how to clean aptitude install -f packages? ask only this :/ |
| 16:26.44 | somiaj | azcodex: aptitude -f fixes based on your installed packages and available sources, if you use non offical debian packages we cannot guess what dependencies they have to cause what youa re getting? |
| 16:26.55 | mtn | Xfaulz: it won't hurt your computer, but it might hurt your mind! :P |
| 16:26.56 | james41382 | But if it was running fsck during boot up would it be able to ping? |
| 16:27.01 | ChrisH | lulz0r: use the LOM to connect to the console. If there is no lom connect a monitor keybord to check |
| 16:27.14 | lulz0r | OpenTokix: Um.. and it doesn't start the services until it's done? |
| 16:27.18 | OpenTokix | james41382: yes, the interfaces are brought up pretty early - but services are not started. |
| 16:27.31 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: no, since many of the services reside on the harddrive ;) |
| 16:27.44 | james41382 | OpenTokix: Fair enough... I suppose eth0 could be up, but not the other services... |
| 16:27.44 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: ie. the binaries for them |
| 16:27.45 | onr | crose: aha, yes. depended packages now have {a} |
| 16:28.05 | OpenTokix | james41382: interfaces are brought up, so you can mount filesystems over nfs/iscsi etc. |
| 16:28.12 | lulz0r | OpenTokix: Oh god, any idea how long that's gonna take on 2 2TB drives? xD |
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| 16:28.36 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: Takes a while, but not to long - 20-30 minutes - depnding on how fragmented they are and such. |
| 16:28.37 | james41382 | OpenTokix: Oh yeah that makes sense... thanks. I'm still a little green. =] |
| 16:28.57 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: Quality no. 1 of a sysadmin: Taking it easy and not panic =) |
| 16:29.46 | lulz0r | OpenTokix hehe |
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| 16:30.09 | OpenTokix | lulz0r: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/It+s+Rebooting_5374f7_4340309.jpg |
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| 16:30.43 | onr | crose: um, it installed depended packages anyway |
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| 16:32.44 | crose | onr : yeah, sorry, this trick works when you want to remove a package from a DE and aptitude wants to remove the whole DE with it, so i thought it could work the other way around, but apparently it doesn't ;( |
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| 16:33.27 | onr | crose: np. thanks anyway |
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| 16:34.22 | qpdb | after chrooting, mdadm --detail --scan fails: "mdadm: cannot open /dev/md/foo:0: No such file or directory" .. so im unable to generate mdadm.conf and run update-initramfs |
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| 16:36.54 | sover | Hi all, anyone have a sec to answer a question about screen resolutions? |
| 16:37.22 | somiaj | sover: have you looked into xrandr? |
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| 16:38.06 | sover | yes, which makes a lot of sense |
| 16:38.17 | sover | but I'm not able to leverage it for this scenario, it seems |
| 16:38.26 | karlpinc | Alrightie, so I've made partitions with gdisk but /dev/disk/by-uuid/ does not have the uuids of the disk(label) or it's partitions. What's the right way to get them in there? |
| 16:38.46 | sover | I'm running a kiosk, using startx /usr/bin/chromium —kiosk, etc |
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| 16:39.15 | sover | for some reason, running xrandr -d :0.0 as root is giving me a "cannot open display" message |
| 16:40.21 | jhutchins | sover: Probably because the display is not owned as root but as a user. |
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| 16:40.33 | sover | hmm |
| 16:40.36 | sover | so maybe su - user |
| 16:40.38 | sover | and then try? |
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| 16:40.46 | jhutchins | sover: That' |
| 16:40.48 | karlpinc | lulz0r: An ext4 fs does not take nearly as long to fsck. |
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| 16:40.50 | jhutchins | s one way. |
| 16:40.55 | mullein | sover: gksu will work better than su -, i think |
| 16:41.05 | sover | gksu? Haven't heard of that |
| 16:41.37 | sover | btw, it worked, you sexy, sexy, people |
| 16:41.40 | sover | thank you. |
| 16:41.43 | naptastic | I'm using Debian Wheezy, and I can't get the "look of disapproval" characters (ಠ_ಠ) to render correctly anywhere. Suggestions? |
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| 16:41.55 | karlpinc | I could unplug the drive and plug it back in, but this seems clunky. |
| 16:42.09 | sover | I'll look into gksu as well. Any other thoughts before I dip out? |
| 16:43.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell sover -about gksu |
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| 16:44.01 | sover | thanks babilen, perfect |
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| 16:44.17 | babilen | sover: Just thought you might want to use your users' password |
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| 16:46.16 | sover | ah, that makes sense, though I actually have inittab pushing it to login as the kiosk user, who's .bash_profile launches startx /usr/bin/chromium |
| 16:46.29 | sover | would gksu be a better option? |
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| 16:48.03 | mullein | sover: gksu/gksudo is my preferred method for running graphic apps as root from a user session, i haven't paid enough attention to know whether that's the best option for your use |
| 16:48.07 | jhutchins | sover: gksu is useful when running programs from gnome that need root privilege. |
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| 16:48.26 | jhutchins | sover: Really not related to your situation. |
| 16:48.45 | mullein | i only mentioned it because you wanted to su - to run xrandr |
| 16:49.07 | sover | Gotcha. I misconstrued it as maybe, I should be launching something like gksudo 'startx chromium' kioskuser |
| 16:49.21 | sover | But everything makes sense now, and I've learned one more command. :) Thanks all. |
| 16:49.28 | jhutchins | mullein: He needed to su to a specific user, the one who owns the screen. |
| 16:50.03 | mullein | ha, inattention and poor reading comprehension (not enough caffeine) on my part. |
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| 16:50.10 | jhutchins | sover: The other method is to use the magic cookie stored in the .Xautority file to authorize another user's access. |
| 16:50.55 | sover | .Xauthority gets run when X starts and with the permissions of the user starting X? |
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| 16:50.58 | sover | *Does |
| 16:51.18 | karlpinc | jhutchins: IIRC years ago I had issues doing that as root. Something changed and I don't recall what, but it didn't like root using X. (Who knows exactly what I was doing.) |
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| 16:52.17 | jhutchins | sover: http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/infopages/faq/X11/xauth.txt |
| 16:53.00 | mullein | the third way is (or used to be?) "xhost +localhost", which is horribly insecure. |
| 16:53.01 | sover | jhutchins: that makes sense |
| 16:53.11 | karlpinc | Any ideas how to tell udev to scan for a disk without having to physically re-plug the drive? |
| 16:53.25 | sover | I'd prefer not to do that, we're creating kiosks for credit card entry |
| 16:53.33 | babilen | karlpinc: "udevadm trigger" |
| 16:53.34 | sover | (not for public use, but nonetheless) |
| 16:54.11 | Xfaulz | what is cryptswap? |
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| 16:54.46 | babilen | Xfaulz: Do you have some context? |
| 16:55.01 | sover | last question: is this unreasonable? Or am I missing an incredibly more obvious way to produce width x height variables |
| 16:55.02 | sover | native_width=$(sudo -u kiosk xrandr -d :0.0 2> /dev/null | grep default | cut -d\ -f 3 | cut -d+ -f 1 | cut -dx -f1) |
| 16:55.08 | Xfaulz | babilen: no, I do not. |
| 16:55.23 | mtn | yikes |
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| 16:55.45 | Xfaulz | I usually run 32bit distros, but can I run 64bit distros? I have 4GB ram, I currently run a distro with PAE support. |
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| 16:56.54 | naptastic | Xfaulz, it only depends on your CPU. If it's a recent CPU (newer than probably 2006) then you should be able to run x86_64 distros. |
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| 16:57.06 | jhutchins | karlpinc: There is rescan-scsi-bus.sh which should be part of sg3_utils. |
| 16:57.16 | naptastic | Xfaulz, get your processor's model name out of /proc/cpuinfo and look it up to find out if it has 64-bit support. |
| 16:57.26 | babilen | Xfaulz: Depends on your processor .. What does "grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo" give you? |
| 16:57.27 | jhutchins | karlpinc: One would expect udev to manage that, but sometimes you need to poke it. |
| 16:57.42 | karlpinc | Perhaps I'm not looking for the right uuid. Isn't it the gdisk "i" command unique guid that shows up in /dev/disk/by-uuid? |
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| 16:58.23 | Xfaulz | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni monitor ssse3 cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch ibs skinit wdt arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save pausefilter |
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| 16:58.51 | Xfaulz | babilen? |
| 16:58.57 | babilen | Xfaulz: Yes, you have the lm flag and your processor is therefore capable of running amd64 |
| 16:59.06 | jhutchins | karlpinc: blkid <device> |
| 16:59.26 | Xfaulz | babilen: which one is faster, 32bit or 64bit? |
| 16:59.41 | jhutchins | Xfaulz: Depends on how you measure faster. |
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| 17:00.14 | babilen | Xfaulz: Impossible to answer that question as it *really* depends on what you want to do. I'd recommend amd64 for every processor that you can run it on. |
| 17:00.32 | Xfaulz | RAM usage. |
| 17:00.32 | Xfaulz | or RAM itself. |
| 17:00.32 | Xfaulz | using 64bit with PAE. |
| 17:00.35 | Xfaulz | I use 32bit with PAE (and I got 4GB RAM) but my ram is still 4GB. |
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| 17:01.09 | Xfaulz | oh, I see. |
| 17:01.09 | Xfaulz | what's the difference between 64 and 32, babilen? |
| 17:01.13 | th1 | hi, how do I change /etc/default/grub so that it will load the xen entry automatically at boot? I want to be sure I'm doing it right because it's a remote server that I don't have console access to |
| 17:01.46 | jhutchins | th1: You edit /etc/default/grub |
| 17:01.56 | ksk | th1: grub2? check /etc/grub/10_linux* which enty xen is - put that number into /etc/default/grub (start counting with 0!) |
| 17:02.00 | babilen | Xfaulz: The difference is 32, but that is probably not what you are actually trying to ask. They are different architectures and you can read about it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 |
| 17:02.03 | th1 | I tried grub-set-default 3 but it didn't seem to have any effect although /boot/grub/grubenv had "3" in it |
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| 17:02.33 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Thanks. I'm going to have to rtfm and figure out how to remember blkid, and what the hell is happening. (Perhaps the rescan-scsi-bus in scsi-tools would be a better way to scan the bus?) |
| 17:02.36 | n3rV3 | th1: you have to run update-grub or update-grub2 after that |
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| 17:02.58 | th1 | ksk, ok so I just change it to 3 in grub-defaults and then run update-grub2 |
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| 17:03.17 | n3rV3 | th1: yes |
| 17:03.23 | mykii | hi |
| 17:03.58 | mykii | how/where can i contact someone to support my package in apt (mentor) ? |
| 17:04.06 | th1 | thanks n3rV3 and ksk .. just before I type "reboot", I count the first menuentry in the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg as 0, the second as 1 and so on right? |
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| 17:04.28 | jhutchins | th1: Right. |
| 17:04.43 | th1 | thanks, here goes nothing... |
| 17:05.19 | th1 | I hate that minute or so where ping times out while it reboots... ;) it costs me dearly if I lose it as I have to pay for a guy to go and fix it |
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| 17:05.40 | mullein | mykii, there is a debian-mentors mailing list |
| 17:05.53 | th1 | yay it workded thanks guys! |
| 17:06.01 | n3rV3 | th1: cool :) |
| 17:06.01 | somiaj | mullein: there is also #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:06.12 | mykii | mullein, ok i will reach them |
| 17:06.25 | mullein | somiaj, another channel i could idle in! :) |
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| 17:06.32 | th1 | n3rV3, yeah I'd normally have figured it by trial and error but one error = 24 hours and cash before I get another trial :) |
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| 17:07.43 | n3rV3 | th1: in that case create a local server where you can do all trial and error, once you are satisfied work on the real thing |
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| 17:07.59 | n3rV3 | th1: that goes for most things sysadmin do |
| 17:08.10 | somiaj | mullein: yea that was ment for mykii haha |
| 17:08.15 | somiaj | mykii: notice my comment to mullein |
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| 17:08.42 | karlpinc | jhutchins: What sets blkid and where do I rtfm? |
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| 17:12.17 | karlpinc | jhutchins: I see. Never mind. |
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| 17:16.33 | azcodex | mtn, clean aptitude -f list -> http://i.imgur.com/GUUWj7E.png ;) |
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| 17:19.11 | n3rV3 | play minesweeper |
| 17:19.50 | jelly-home | that's always an option |
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| 17:24.04 | n3rV3 | ;) |
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| 17:27.09 | dinki | Hey guys.. I'm having a ton of trouble getting my bluetooth usb stick working... I've posted it on the forums but I guess either it's stumped everyone, or it's so easy to solve no one is replying. Can someone help me? I've made a detailed post here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107071 |
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| 17:33.17 | mercutio22 | How can I remove all packages which have a certain pattern? (r-cran) |
| 17:33.36 | mercutio22 | all installed packages containing r-cran in their names |
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| 17:34.51 | somiaj | mercutio22: does 'aptitude search ~i~nr-cran' return the packages you want? |
| 17:34.55 | n3rV3 | apt-get remove r-cran* |
| 17:35.39 | somiaj | n3rV3: doesn't that only get packages stargint with r-cran (Which might be enough for what he wants) |
| 17:35.45 | jelly-home | mercutio22: well if you remove r-base it's probably going to pull all over them under |
| 17:36.24 | tremon | somiaj: not if there are any files starting with r-cran in the current directory |
| 17:36.26 | Olanzapin | anyone who knows where i can get my hands on rtwifi/rt18192cufw.bin ? |
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| 17:36.41 | tremon | ,file rtwifi/rt18192cufw.bin |
| 17:36.44 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 17:36.44 | n3rV3 | tremon: good point |
| 17:36.47 | somiaj | tremon: oh yea the shell would take the wildcard...haha |
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| 17:37.01 | jelly-home | Olanzapin: are you sure that's not rtl8192cufw.bin |
| 17:37.17 | somiaj | mercutio22: anyways aptitude has very powerful search options to get just the packages you want, http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchTermName |
| 17:37.17 | Olanzapin | you are correct |
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| 17:37.32 | jelly-home | judd: file rtl8192cufw.bin |
| 17:37.35 | judd | Search for rtl8192cufw.bin in wheezy/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin |
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| 17:37.49 | Olanzapin | ok thanks |
| 17:37.55 | jelly-home | !tell Olanzapin about non-free |
| 17:38.08 | jelly-home | erm |
| 17:38.10 | jelly-home | !tell Olanzapin about non-free sources |
| 17:38.17 | mercutio22 | somiaj: looks amazing thnaks |
| 17:38.31 | rneese | afternoon anyone can point to a cross compile howto for beginners |
| 17:38.35 | fruitFly | is windows 7 to heavy for an AMD turion (tm) 64 1.7GHz processor with 1.5 GB of RAM? |
| 17:38.38 | somiaj | mercutio22: you can use that with remove, aptitude remove ~i~nr-cran I just wanted you to check the list was correct first |
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| 17:39.02 | somiaj | rneese: what are you trying to cross compile? |
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| 17:39.06 | tremon | rneese: cross compiling isn't for beginners, what are you looking for? |
| 17:39.16 | somiaj | fruitFly: ##windows |
| 17:39.36 | fruitFly | somiaj: i wanna dual boot beside debian though, will any windows install work? |
| 17:40.05 | somiaj | fruitFly: debian can dual boot just fine, but if you have questions about the capability of windows, /j ##windows |
| 17:40.12 | sover | How can I get the native screen resolution for my screen before starting X? |
| 17:40.28 | mercutio22 | somiaj: the ~ pattern search solves all my problems |
| 17:41.16 | rneese | some pbx software |
| 17:41.25 | rneese | croos compile for armhf |
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| 17:42.18 | eneasm | Hi |
| 17:42.23 | mercutio22 | somiaj: I wish I knew this a long time ago |
| 17:43.36 | sover | Maybe rephrasing my question will help. The OS knows my monitor's resolution, and is able to resize the command line text accordingly, even without any GUI. Where can I find that information? |
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| 17:43.49 | dinki | Can someone please take a look at this and tell me if they can see what's wrong with my bluetooth device? http://pastebin.com/xz98TXan |
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| 17:44.30 | abrotman | sover: it can problem your monitor and video card .. /msg dpkg whats my hardware .. may help |
| 17:44.42 | eneasm | after execute dist-upgrade dpkg reports that version installed is 1.4.14 but iptables -v reports 1.4.10 version and I have problems with it |
| 17:44.49 | eneasm | how I can solve it? |
| 17:45.16 | sover | abrotman: I'm a little confused. I'm not having any issues, but rather I'm trying to determine the monitor resolution from command line for other uses. Everything is working as it should |
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| 17:46.09 | tremon | rneese: if you want to build debian packages specifically, you may want to ask on the emdebian mailing list. Otherwise, http://crosstool-ng.org/#download_and_usage and http://cross-lfs.org/view/CLFS-2.0.0/x86/cross-tools/chapter.html come to mind |
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| 17:48.06 | nonconvergent | alias doesn't have a manpage? |
| 17:48.13 | tremon | it does, man bash |
| 17:48.18 | sover | help alias |
| 17:48.43 | th1 | I followed this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/Xen to install Xen and create a VM, and hte VM is booted and I can see its login prompt with "xm console" but I can't log into it as I have no idea what the password is, (I forgot to specify the password option from the guide) |
| 17:49.06 | zykotick9 | sover: to see resolution of linux virtual consoles, you can use "fbset" |
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| 17:49.35 | nonconvergent | man, info, help...cabal help...it all makes me want to fragment some documenters. |
| 17:49.38 | tremon | th1: boot the domu with init=/bin/bash |
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| 17:50.12 | th1 | tremon, can I do that from the xm command line? |
| 17:50.15 | tremon | nonconvergent: "alias" isn't a separate binary, it's a bash built-in. See type alias |
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| 17:51.00 | tremon | th1: depends how you currently manage your hosts. I'm sure it's possible, but I've never worked with xen |
| 17:51.08 | sover | zykotick9: I'm looking it up now and going to try it :) |
| 17:51.19 | sover | First answer I've been given in several discussion areas, thank you |
| 17:53.07 | tremon | sover: try read-edid |
| 17:53.54 | sover | zykotick9, tremom, will either of these determine the monitor's native resolution |
| 17:53.55 | sover | ? |
| 17:54.35 | zykotick9 | sover: to see the "native" resolution, i'd suggest checking the monitors specs/manual (perhaps online?) |
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| 17:55.03 | tremon | the edid contains all the monitor information, including supported modes. Not sure whether it contains the monitor's native mode |
| 17:55.38 | sover | zykotick9: That does make sense, but I'm not sure what monitors these will be deployed on at any given moment and need to adjust accordingly |
| 17:55.58 | sover | tremon, I ran into a weird problem. I installed the read-edid package with aptitude, but it did not place a binary in my path |
| 17:56.15 | tremon | in root's path? |
| 17:56.16 | sover | at least, not one called 'read-edid' is there something else I can check to see where it installed? |
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| 17:56.22 | sover | yes, root's path |
| 17:56.33 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.33 | dpkg | ii read-edid 2.4-1.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:56.40 | tremon | dpkg, shush |
| 17:56.40 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 17:56.44 | sover | haha |
| 17:57.09 | sover | d'oh, it looks like they called it 'get-edid' |
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| 17:57.52 | tremon | oh that's useful |
| 17:58.24 | sover | hmm, but neither of thse seem to be giving me resolution info |
| 17:59.15 | eneasm | why dpkg -l reports that iptables version is 1.4.14 however /sbin/iptables -v reports that the version is 1.4.10 ? |
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| 18:00.02 | tremon | The raw edid should be available in /sys/devices/pcix:x:x:x/drm/cardN/*/edid, but you'll still need to parse it somehow |
| 18:00.29 | tremon | not sure which tools can do that |
| 18:00.48 | nmpro | does anyone know if php5-fpm was removed from repo? It suppose to be there at least on wheezy.. |
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| 18:01.31 | tremon | ,v php5-fpm |
| 18:01.33 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; jessie: 5.5.1+dfsg-2; sid: 5.5.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 18:01.57 | tremon | it's supposed to be there |
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| 18:03.21 | gnarface | judd might be out of date by 24 hours or so |
| 18:03.27 | gnarface | if it was just removed recently judd may not know yet |
| 18:04.54 | sover | tremon: that makes sense; there are a million pcix directories |
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| 18:07.15 | rneese | ok back sorry we lost power and it seems my ups battery needs replaced |
| 18:08.04 | rneese | so I am looking for a good cross compile howto |
| 18:08.18 | rneese | so I can get a cross compile box/test goign |
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| 18:10.19 | james41382 | I have been messing around with my router so I can resolve some local IP's to local hostnames, but now I've noticed when I sudo I get this message: sudo: unable to resolve host <hostname> |
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| 18:12.40 | SmashingX | Hi guys, I don't remember the command that I used some time ago to get the info o a /dev/sdb1 drive for example |
| 18:12.47 | SmashingX | could somebody remind me please? |
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| 18:14.00 | nonconvergent | I'm looking for Xlib headers. Which package? |
| 18:14.17 | gnarface | SmashingX: did you try: file /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:14.20 | gnarface | SmashingX: ? |
| 18:14.26 | SmashingX | nope |
| 18:14.27 | sover | SmashingX: how about fdisk -l |
| 18:14.29 | SmashingX | let me do it |
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| 18:14.38 | SmashingX | it wasn't fdisk |
| 18:14.50 | gnarface | SmashingX: maybe it was hdparm ? |
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| 18:15.08 | gnarface | SmashingX: parted? |
| 18:15.14 | SmashingX | nope |
| 18:15.14 | gnarface | SmashingX: what was the type of info you were trying to see? |
| 18:15.31 | SmashingX | the output would show the capacity |
| 18:15.48 | gnarface | SmashingX: df |
| 18:15.53 | SmashingX | df? |
| 18:16.00 | gnarface | SmashingX: df -h |
| 18:16.06 | SmashingX | nope |
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| 18:16.13 | SmashingX | It would give me more detailed information |
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| 18:16.24 | SmashingX | I just don't remember the command :( |
| 18:16.26 | SmashingX | dang! |
| 18:16.41 | gnarface | sounds like hdparm -i |
| 18:17.10 | SmashingX | kind of similar |
| 18:17.16 | SmashingX | but it wasn't that command |
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| 18:17.41 | gnarface | and it wasn't a partitioning tool, like sfdisk, cfdisk, fdisk, parted, or gparted? |
| 18:17.50 | SmashingX | it wasn't |
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| 18:18.25 | gnarface | was it smartctl ? |
| 18:18.39 | gnarface | like, smartctl --all /dev/sda or something? |
| 18:19.29 | SmashingX | let me check but it doesn't sound like the command I'm looking for |
| 18:19.40 | SmashingX | the one I'm looking for was like info something |
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| 18:20.59 | nonconvergent | I'm looking for Xlib headers. Which package |
| 18:21.47 | nonconvergent | Or maybe something else to search form |
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| 18:21.58 | nonconvergent | s/form/for/ |
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| 18:22.14 | gnarface | nonconvergent: i'm guessing libx11-dev |
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| 18:22.36 | gnarface | nonconvergent: debian headers are all generally in a separate package from the runtime libs named [packagename]-dv |
| 18:22.47 | gnarface | nonconvergent: sorry, [package name]-dev |
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| 18:24.08 | gnarface | SmashingX: hardinfo, hwinfo, or avinfo ? |
| 18:24.24 | SmashingX | let me check |
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| 18:24.46 | jla | Is there an inet superserver in Debian that supports per-IP rate limiting like FreeBSD's inetd's -C rate and -s maximum options? I'm testing the different ones in the inet-superserver package, but the docs are sometimes thin and perhaps there is one not listed in that virtual package. |
| 18:24.47 | gnarface | SmashingX: or maybe sysinfo? |
| 18:25.17 | gnarface | SmashingX: apt-cache search will take a regex, if you can think of a pattern that matches the name you might have better luck narrowing it down than me just searching for stuff with 'info' in the name |
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| 18:25.32 | SmashingX | ok |
| 18:25.39 | SmashingX | thanks gnarface |
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| 18:28.10 | gnarface | jla: i think most people probably do this with iptables in linux, though there are some specific proxying servers in the wild actually meant for that |
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| 18:28.37 | gnarface | jla: incidentally debian also supports a BSD kernel now too, so ... maybe you can just install that and do it the way you're used to ? |
| 18:28.59 | gnarface | jla: i don't know but i'd sure like to hear if you succeed at it |
| 18:29.20 | gnarface | jla: (support for that is in #debian-kbsd on OFTC) |
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| 18:30.51 | jhutchins | less |
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| 18:32.07 | jla | gnarface: I am leaning towards using iptables for this, but the last time I tried using the recent module it failed. I don't remember why, perhaps the servers I had to maintain were too old. |
| 18:32.29 | jelly-home | jla: openbsd-inetd has some limiting |
| 18:32.37 | gnarface | jla: iptables is nobody's favorite thing |
| 18:32.45 | jelly-home | jla: incidentally, that's the default inetd these days |
| 18:32.58 | gnarface | jla: if you can get packetfilter working instead through kbsd it would give me great hope |
| 18:33.00 | jla | gnarface: I was going to give all the inetd packages one more pass to see if one of them would do the job. I think openbsd-inetd is the one installed by default, but it lacks the per-IP options that would be really nice that freebsd's inetd mentions |
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| 18:33.13 | jla | http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=inetd&sektion=8 |
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| 18:33.44 | jla | I don't think it requires a bsd kernel, just that the inetd program has a couple extra options |
| 18:33.52 | gnarface | yea the linux implementations are often castrated |
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| 18:34.39 | gnarface | the linux carp implementation is similarly limited (doesn't support the active load-balancing features of the BSD version) |
| 18:34.53 | gnarface | i think that stuff is typically due to missing features in the kernel |
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| 18:35.47 | jla | jelly-home: openbsd-inetd has a higher -R default, 256, but it and the GNU one do a 10 minute siesta for all incoming connections when one bad egg pounds a dictionary attack of more than -R in a second or two. |
| 18:35.48 | nmpro | tremon, weird.. it's not showing for me.. |
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| 18:36.42 | jelly-home | jla: and you don't want throttling of that kind? |
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| 18:37.39 | jhutchins | jla: iptables can do throttling. |
| 18:37.50 | gnarface | its so annoying though |
| 18:38.53 | jla | jhutchins: that is what I thought I was trying with the recent module, to rate-limit incoming connections and cut-out abusers for a bit |
| 18:39.18 | jla | I'm good with some kind of throttling. I was trying to do it specifically with abusers |
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| 18:39.50 | jla | fail2ban does some interesting things, but it doesn't react fast enough to keep the inetd siesta from kicking in |
| 18:40.29 | gnarface | jla: it may be overkill, but have you looked into haproxy? |
| 18:41.09 | jla | gnarface: I hadn't for this. I've looked at it and similar just to learn about in the past |
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| 18:43.11 | gumnos | When I issue "man mendex" (part of texlive-{binaries,doc-base,...}) it's coming up as garbage interleaved with legible bits. I've force-reinstalled both -binaries and -doc-base in aptitude but neither made it legible. Any hints? |
| 18:43.35 | gumnos | (running Stable, FWIW) |
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| 18:45.16 | gnarface | gumnos: my only guess maybe your locale is UTF8 but you're using a non-unicode terminal? |
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| 18:46.24 | gumnos | gnarface: it's an rxvt. I've seen UTF8 "garbage" and it's usually at least semi-legible (just odd characters omitted). What I'm seeing is nearly complete mungification. |
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| 18:46.54 | gumnos | The command-name, parameters, and highlighted terms/options are legible, but all flowing text is streams of way-off garbage. |
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| 18:47.19 | gumnos | e.g. "mendex xIE,1/2nxIo-:-ouxooiA(R)x1xeYAi1/4YexCx1iL LaTeX |
| 18:47.20 | gumnos | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.28 | vrs | gumnos: cat/zcat the manpages? |
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| 18:48.19 | gnarface | gumnos: maybe your cache got corrupted for it... weird |
| 18:48.48 | gumnos | I can start there...zcat of /usr/share/man/man1/mendex.1.gz gives the same sort of garbage I'm seeing when it's piped to less. Any way to regen the cache? |
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| 18:49.35 | gumnos | (you're right that it's some sort of encoding issue, the zcat of the file has a bunch of upper-ascii that makes it look like "less" is doing its best to present the rubbish) |
| 18:49.35 | vrs | do you have a full fs by any chance |
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| 18:49.57 | gumnos | according to df, the drive is 15% full |
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| 18:50.01 | vrs | hm |
| 18:50.08 | vrs | it sounds like file corruption |
| 18:50.11 | gnarface | gumnos: i think you just delete it... its supposed to be smart enough to do that on its own unless you didn't install mandb suid or something |
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| 18:50.33 | gumnos | that's what I'd figured should happen. Tried as root and got the same results |
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| 18:51.02 | gumnos | where's the cached version to nuke? the /usr/share/man/man1/mendex.1.gz looks like corrupted source |
| 18:51.16 | gnarface | could be actually bad |
| 18:51.43 | gumnos | thanks for the cheery news :-/ |
| 18:52.02 | vrs | gumnos: /var/cache/man or so? |
| 18:52.46 | gnarface | gumnos: yea i think vrs is right they're in /var/cache/man |
| 18:53.12 | gnarface | gumnos: also, try this: dpkg-reconfigure man-db (then say NO to the question about if you want it installed setuid man) |
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| 18:53.30 | gnarface | gumnos: that should disable caching... that will rule that out. |
| 18:54.17 | gnarface | gumnos: you said your locale was UTF8 right? just to rule out any unicode formatting issues i'd also recommend urxvt (rxvt-unicode) instead of regular rxvt |
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| 18:55.37 | gnarface | gumnos: you didn't do something weird like change the locale during install right? and you said you also tried purging the package and reinstalling right? |
| 18:55.38 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 18:56.03 | gnarface | can anyone else recreate this issue? corrupted mendex manpage? |
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| 18:56.26 | gnarface | gumnos: when you said "stable" you meant wheezy right, not squeeze? |
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| 18:59.43 | jelly-home | gnarface: can't say if corrupted or just weird non utf-8 encoding and non-english language |
| 19:00.14 | gnarface | hmm. uploaded in the wrong locale perhaps? |
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| 19:00.18 | gnarface | seems plausible |
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| 19:01.07 | nabziF | pidgin from current debian testing aborts for me on start up with a BadRequest error, when run inside Xvnc4. -d --sync isn't enough to enlighten me as to what's wrong. any suggestions for triage? |
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| 19:01.17 | jelly-home | gnarface: http://manned.org/mendex/b838e1c3 |
| 19:01.20 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 19:01.39 | gnarface | great |
| 19:01.52 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, what package contains restorecon? (or how is the new command called) |
| 19:01.59 | gnarface | gumnos: looks like a bug |
| 19:02.00 | jelly-home | looks like some old CJK encoding |
| 19:02.34 | Gsport | im really learning about linux im using debian now but i think im about ready to embrace slackware |
| 19:02.38 | gnarface | looks like someone uploaded russian txt from a english windows install using ftp in 'ASCII' mode |
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| 19:02.58 | Gsport | after slackware its gentoo or archlinux |
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| 19:05.07 | gnarface | Gsport: most people devolve all the way down to gentoo and then eventually climb back up to debian |
| 19:05.18 | nabziF | my issue was a dup of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573269#52 ... this work around worked for me. |
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| 19:05.55 | jelly-home | gnarface: translate.google.com recognizes the output of zcat /usr/share/man/man1/mendex.1.gz|recode utf8..latin1 |recode euc-jp..utf8 as Japanese and the translation makes some sense |
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| 19:06.36 | msn | does the bind9 in debian come with dlopen=yes or no |
| 19:06.50 | Gsport | linux from scratch is the linux nirvana |
| 19:06.50 | grandie | hi, got debian running on a stand alone computer and interested in shutting down some or all of the programs running "bluetooth" etc. that i don't use or need |
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| 19:07.18 | grandie | what is the best way to do that without killing my running system? |
| 19:08.05 | gnarface | grandie: something like this as root: /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop |
| 19:08.26 | gnarface | grandie: that's not a permanent change though; it'll come back on automatically next time you boot it |
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| 19:09.03 | grandie | gnarface: i think what i need first is identifying which programs i don't need |
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| 19:09.21 | grandie | you got any suggestions? |
| 19:09.47 | gnarface | Gsport: did you see what jelly-home discovered? there doesn't seem to be a bug report for it associated with mendexk either. congratulations! you found one :) you get the honor of submitting it |
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| 19:10.53 | gnarface | grandie: not really. first i'd have to know what programs you DO need. |
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| 19:11.22 | gnarface | grandie: you can see everything that is running with this command (does not require root): ps aux --forest |
| 19:12.02 | th1 | how can I diff a config file from the default installed by dpkg? |
| 19:12.13 | grandie | gnarface: now you see what i mean, bluetooth, nfs and things like that on a stand alone computer |
| 19:12.25 | gnarface | grandie: the typically advised "pro" approach is to do a minimal install and only add stuff you know you need, trusting the system to pull in necessary dependencies, rather than install the whole boat and then start amputating |
| 19:12.46 | brilliant_ | gnarface: aah thank you, i dont know the --forest option befor ^^ |
| 19:12.58 | gnarface | brilliant_: gotta love GNU additions :) |
| 19:13.00 | brilliant_ | forest, lool |
| 19:13.13 | brilliant_ | very nice |
| 19:13.37 | peterrooney | --forest is my FAVOURITE option. its lack makes me cry when using BSD or UNIX systems. |
| 19:13.38 | gnarface | brilliant_: here's another fun one if you have a color terminal: ls --color=auto -F |
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| 19:14.07 | gnarface | brilliant_: (color and syntax highlights different file types) |
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| 19:15.15 | th1 | brilliant_, you can also just use ps axf |
| 19:15.17 | grandie | gnarface: thanks looks like i have a lot more homework to do first, again thanks |
| 19:15.18 | th1 | same thing but shorter |
| 19:15.35 | brilliant_ | gnarface: yes, that i know .. ls coloring, gladly seen as alias |
| 19:15.37 | gnarface | grandie: sorry i couldn't give you specifics or anything. good luck... we'll be here all night. |
| 19:16.23 | brilliant_ | h |
| 19:16.44 | brilliant_ | gnarface: no no, forest option is cool ^^ |
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| 19:18.09 | gnarface | is old school; likes long versions too |
| 19:18.28 | gnarface | didn't take that typing class in vain |
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| 19:18.45 | peterrooney | can't remember one BSD tool superior to the GNU equivalent. |
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| 19:19.18 | gnarface | can remember installing the GNU versions on solaris |
| 19:19.35 | gnarface | (just to get a functional tar implementation) |
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| 19:21.23 | Evidlo | does anyone know whether i can use inotify on /proc directories? |
| 19:21.41 | gnarface | that's a good question |
| 19:21.59 | gnarface | Evidlo: but what for? |
| 19:22.02 | james41382 | I have /boot mounting from a usb drive. In fstab the mount is from the UUID. What is the best way to create a duplicate usb drive in case something happens to this one? |
| 19:22.18 | Evidlo | gnarface: i want to detect when my sound card is playing audio using the directory "/proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/status" |
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| 19:23.09 | gnarface | Evidlo: very interesting. i'd be curious how that works out for you, but the only advice i can give is if inotify doesn't work, maybe you could try dnotify or fam instead |
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| 19:24.02 | Evidlo | gnarface: right now it isnt working on that particular directory, but it works for a test file i did |
| 19:24.18 | gnarface | james41382: i'm not sure if there is an easy way to forge a UUID but i know you can use the partition label instead for mounting; which would probably be the most advised approach for your use case |
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| 19:24.32 | gnarface | james41382: you can easily make their partition labels match you see, but the UUID is supposed to be unique |
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| 19:24.47 | gumnos | gnarface: (sorry, had to step out) Yes, Wheezy. $LANG=C if that makes a difference. Using rxvt-unicode doesn't seem to change anything, nor does "LANG=en_US-UTF-8 man mendex". Nor does "dpkg-reconfigure man-db" and answering No re. setuid. |
| 19:25.29 | gnarface | gumnos: read the scrollback; jelly-home was able to confirm its a bug in the package. i was able to confirm the bug hasn't been reported yet. i'll leave the honors of that to you :) |
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| 19:26.31 | gnarface | gumnos: (looks like someone uploaded it in japanese or something) |
| 19:27.17 | gumnos | gee thanks. :-) The man-page seems to be part of -binary, so I'll report against that. Thanks for at least confirming that it's the package that is gonzo, not me. |
| 19:27.30 | james41382 | gnarface: Okay thanks. |
| 19:28.03 | gnarface | gumnos: thank jelly; he did the verification, all i did was shoot in the dark and get lucky |
| 19:28.37 | gumnos | jelly: thanks for confirming that as a bug for me! |
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| 19:32.43 | gumnos | When reporting a bug against Wheezy, reportbug tells me there's an update in unstable. Is there a way to tell if it's fixed my bug before actually reporting it? |
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| 19:35.30 | gumnos | nm. Found my bug already listed in the changelog of texlive-binaries(unstable). Somebody beat me to it. http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/t/texlive-bin/texlive-bin_2013.20130729.30972-1_changelog |
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| 19:38.00 | gnarface | gumnos: sorry, i was searching against mendexk i guess |
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| 19:38.39 | gumnos | thanks to all who got me on the right track, gnarface, jelly, vrs. |
| 19:38.59 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 20:16.25 | grandie | gnarface: while i was checking everything with ps as suggested i found a lot of things i could not identify and ended up installing htop and it is sweet, appreciate your help in getting me started thanks |
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| 20:44.32 | ag4ve | how do i prevent a package from getting updated? |
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| 20:46.22 | mumpitzel | !tell ag4ve about hold |
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| 20:47.23 | ag4ve | ? |
| 20:47.27 | ag4ve | oh |
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| 20:48.17 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, what is the equivalent of restorecon? |
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| 20:48.51 | ag4ve | ty |
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| 20:49.14 | karlpinc | Xfaulz: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:49.26 | tremon | DarkKnightCZ: equivalent how? |
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| 20:50.11 | Rydekull | is curious for the answer |
| 20:50.15 | DarkKnightCZ | tremon: even after installing policycoreutils, restorecon isnt good command |
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| 20:50.24 | ni291187 | I messed up. I can't boot. I'm on irc from the tablet now. I need to fix my USB that I boot from. |
| 20:50.38 | tremon | DarkKnightCZ: good command for what? |
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| 20:51.29 | karlpinc | DarkKnightCZ: I don't know what restorecon does, but if you install debtags you can search for packages that do what you want (or just use "aptitude search foo"). |
| 20:51.33 | DarkKnightCZ | tremon: sorry, my bad, command not found :) |
| 20:51.41 | james41382 | I am booted from install net cd and have / mounted as well as the USB on /boot. |
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| 20:51.49 | tremon | ,file bin/restorecon |
| 20:51.54 | judd | Search for bin/restorecon in wheezy/i386: policycoreutils: sbin/restorecon |
| 20:52.14 | tremon | DarkKnightCZ: it should be in /sbin, are you running it as root? |
| 20:52.17 | karlpinc | DarkKnightCZ: apt-file will let you search packages for files. |
| 20:52.18 | Rydekull | DarkKnightCZ: you are actually running selinux on debian, brave |
| 20:52.26 | DarkKnightCZ | yep, its in /sbin |
| 20:52.34 | DarkKnightCZ | Rydekull: well, i guess its default |
| 20:52.48 | DarkKnightCZ | tremon: thanks, i guess why /sbin isnt in PATH |
| 20:53.16 | Rydekull | DarkKnightCZ: well, not, it isnt |
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| 20:53.19 | Rydekull | no* |
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| 20:53.27 | karlpinc | DarkKnightCZ: You need to "su -" not just "su". |
| 20:53.29 | james41382 | I tried to run grub-install but get error: cannot read '/grub/core.img' |
| 20:54.05 | DarkKnightCZ | karlpinc: nice, thanks |
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| 20:54.45 | tremon | right, selinux isn't default. Even if it's installed, it doesn't do anything unless you manually add security=selinux to the kernel cmdline |
| 20:55.04 | Rydekull | Running selinux and switches to root without gettings its environment variables |
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| 20:55.12 | Rydekull | this looks promising, but good luck DarkKnightCZ :-) |
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| 20:56.48 | DarkKnightCZ | yep, thanks :) |
| 20:57.57 | sover | zykotick9: fbset ended up being the best solution from way far away |
| 20:57.58 | sover | thank you |
| 20:59.03 | sevenfourk | found in mailing lists: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/, nice thing for beginners |
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| 21:00.47 | easeofuse | is there a GNU/Linux equivalent to MyPublicWiFi that is easy to configure and use? |
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| 21:01.15 | gnarface | easeofuse: no |
| 21:01.43 | easeofuse | gnarface, something similar but not too geeky? |
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| 21:02.13 | gnarface | easeofuse: no, sorry there is only something functionally complete but horribly difficult to configure |
| 21:02.46 | easeofuse | gnarface, which is ...? |
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| 21:03.19 | gnarface | easeofuse: hostapd |
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| 21:04.41 | gnarface | easeofuse: you could also probably manually cobble a solution together yourself with some ifup scripting and iptables but that's even harder |
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| 21:05.43 | gnarface | easeofuse: if you find anything easier, let me know |
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| 21:06.34 | easeofuse | gnarface, but hostapd does not support wireless devices based on the rtl8187 chipset |
| 21:06.45 | gnarface | easeofuse: it doesn't? hmm.... |
| 21:07.52 | easeofuse | gnarface, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/95482 |
| 21:09.00 | gnarface | easeofuse: ah. yea, so you sortof need master mode though. the only other option as far as i'm aware is to do it with all the devices in ad-hoc mode |
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| 21:09.27 | gnarface | easeofuse: (and of course that will be significantly less user friendly) |
| 21:09.33 | Monday | is there an easy to use Linux equivalent to mHotSpot http://download.cnet.com/mHotspot/3000-18508_4-75452123.html |
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| 21:12.34 | easeofuse | Monday, are we looking for the same thing? mHotSpot is a windoze app and, even worse, it is not free as in freedom |
| 21:13.14 | Monday | easeofuse, i found this manual setup for Ubuntu http://www.howtogeek.com/116409/how-to-turn-your-ubuntu-laptop-into-a-wireless-access-point/ |
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| 21:15.32 | easeofuse | Monday, i want to do it all wireless. The page you mention says "If you want to share an Internet connection wirelessly, youll have to connect to it with a wired connection. You cant share a Wi-Fi network when you create a Wi-Fi hotspot, youll be disconnected from your current wireless network." |
| 21:15.34 | th1 | does anyone use qmail? |
| 21:16.00 | th1 | [apart from me], I have a pretty complex question and won't type it out unless someone here's using it |
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| 21:17.29 | blawiz | nothing between stable and testing? |
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| 21:17.44 | blawiz | did a distupgrade on testing and couldnt boot after :P |
| 21:17.50 | blawiz | thinking about trying stable |
| 21:18.35 | Xfaulz | I shall now ridicule you, blawiz. |
| 21:18.38 | easeofuse | Monday, are you still there? |
| 21:19.01 | Xfaulz | would you be ridiculed, easeofuse? |
| 21:19.34 | blawiz | give it your best dawg |
| 21:19.50 | easeofuse | Xfaulz, sorry i don't know what you mean |
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| 21:23.52 | nvteighen | blawiz: nope, that's impossible... apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should have worked |
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| 21:26.26 | blawiz | nvteighen, whats impossible? |
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| 21:26.54 | nvteighen | blawiz: to have it not booting... seriously, how did you dist-upgraded? |
| 21:27.09 | nvteighen | s/dist-upgraded/dist-upgrade/; |
| 21:27.33 | blawiz | sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:28.51 | nvteighen | do you have any extra repositories? |
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| 21:29.21 | blawiz | probably :] |
| 21:29.45 | blawiz | maybe just grub thats messed up? |
| 21:29.56 | nvteighen | blawiz: believe me... nope |
| 21:30.01 | blawiz | im left with only two options, both pointing to sdd1 |
| 21:30.11 | blawiz | probably should be sda1 |
| 21:30.45 | blawiz | i dont see how you can say it is impossible |
| 21:30.50 | blawiz | quite complex system |
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| 21:31.58 | nvteighen | blawiz: testing works, upgrading to it works... in fact, testing is required to boot |
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| 21:32.14 | fommil | hi all, how an I force a package to be recompiled on my machine. I'd like to compile the ATLAS and OpenBLAS libraries locally to get the machine-specific tunings |
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| 21:32.32 | blawiz | (i had testing before also, i just always use distupgrade to upgrade) |
| 21:32.46 | fommil | (I'd like to remain within the debian .deb environment… I know how to do it manually) |
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| 21:33.46 | easeofuse | anyone? |
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| 21:36.23 | Third3ye | Hey there -- I can't find /etc/init.d/php5-fpm. I've tried reinstalling the deb package, but that didn't work. Does it perhaps use another init system? |
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| 21:36.26 | Third3ye | ls |
| 21:36.28 | marioxcc_ | hello |
| 21:36.39 | marioxcc_ | how can I disable the motherboard beep? |
| 21:36.52 | marioxcc_ | on my laptop it is very loud and disturbing! |
| 21:37.04 | Third3ye | rmmod pcspkr |
| 21:37.09 | Third3ye | add it to your module blacklist |
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| 21:43.16 | Xfaulz | my internet connection speed is currently 13.2GB, how can I make this into 100KB? I am trying to do something. |
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| 21:50.37 | blawiz | while installing debian i get "Installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and shoose something else. The failing step is: Install the system" |
| 21:50.41 | blawiz | :S |
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| 21:51.03 | C00re | which step |
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| 21:51.18 | blawiz | "The failing step is: Install the system" |
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| 21:52.58 | jhutchins | blawiz: So you tried to upgrade from "testing" to what? |
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| 21:54.10 | blawiz | to updated testing :P |
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| 21:56.20 | jhutchins | Do you know which "testing" version you had before? |
| 21:56.57 | blawiz | hmmm no, is there versions of testing? |
| 21:57.03 | riceandbeans | I really thought debian was dying bet every time I come here the channel is bigger |
| 21:57.15 | riceandbeans | blawiz: testing doesn't pinpoint a release name |
| 21:57.24 | riceandbeans | blawiz: testing is whatever testing is at the time |
| 21:57.29 | jhutchins | blawiz: Each release starts out as testing and is eventually released as stable. Current wheezy is stable, jessie is testing. |
| 21:57.52 | jhutchins | blawiz: Sid is always sid, unsbable and not intended as a release but a staging area for programs moving into testing. |
| 21:57.54 | blawiz | ahh, i only have "testing" in the apt source file |
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| 21:58.38 | jhutchins | blawiz: The only way that should break is if you miss a release and try to go two releases with one dist-upgrade. |
| 21:58.55 | jhutchins | blawiz: Of course, testing is testing, and is allowed to be broken and stay broken until it's fixed. |
| 21:59.29 | jhutchins | blawiz: WHen you ran the actual installer, did you re-format the partitions? |
| 21:59.34 | blawiz | ye, im going to try stable now :] |
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| 22:00.03 | blawiz | i did choose for it to be formated... and the installer gets to 10% before it errors |
| 22:00.11 | jhutchins | blawiz: With stable you even get security updates! |
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| 22:00.29 | blawiz | but ooooold versions of applications? |
| 22:00.32 | jhutchins | blawiz: Are you running out of disk space or something? Is this a netinstall or from disc? |
| 22:00.43 | riceandbeans | blawiz: stable JUST came out...it's not old yet |
| 22:00.54 | blawiz | its from a live usb, since i had to back up some data |
| 22:01.00 | riceandbeans | blawiz: Debian has been better the past release or two about the age of its binaries |
| 22:01.12 | jhutchins | blawiz: Stable, tested and patched versions. A debian package is not the same as the same version from "upstream". |
| 22:01.33 | riceandbeans | blawiz: if you want brand spanking new, get sid, and be ready for things to break because they haven't matured and been tested |
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| 22:02.06 | blawiz | well sounds like stable is ok, at least for a while :] |
| 22:02.19 | riceandbeans | 7.1 came out in june |
| 22:02.19 | blawiz | but how can i get info about the installer error? |
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| 22:02.22 | riceandbeans | it's new enough |
| 22:02.38 | riceandbeans | if you want slightly newer there's backports |
| 22:02.39 | jhutchins | blawiz: It's good if the computer is a tool to get other things done, as opposed to a project in it's own right. |
| 22:02.54 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: some people like that project as a hobby |
| 22:02.58 | riceandbeans | included |
| 22:03.07 | blawiz | jhutchins, indeed :) |
| 22:03.08 | jhutchins | blawiz: So I guess checksum the image and re-start the installer. Not much to loose at this point. |
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| 22:03.42 | blawiz | im using an old 1GB usb, maybe that could be a problem? |
| 22:04.23 | ferrouswheel | Hi all, we use debs internally for deployment, occassionally they break and debconf complains with "debconf: warning: possible database corruption. Will attempt to repair by adding back missing question X". This seems to sometimes happen even when the packages install successfully, but mostly when they error part way through configuration. Any ideas why this happens and how I can prevent it? |
| 22:05.06 | blawiz | but i remember when i had stable a long time ago, and some applications just wasnt out for stable yet... but i dont use too many applications any more, so probably will be ok with stable |
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| 22:05.44 | ferrouswheel | The main issue is that we obviously want to automate things as much as possible, including testing the deb packages, and when debconf errors in this way it throws up a UI asking the questions... even when DEBIAN_FRONTEND is set to "noninteractive". |
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| 22:12.01 | marioxcc_ | Third3ye: thanks |
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| 22:18.36 | tootpick | usb drive does not show up in Virtual Box. Anyone can help? |
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| 22:19.51 | mentor | lnav is really cool |
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| 22:38.00 | daedeloth | I was thinkiung about upgrading my server to wheezy |
| 22:38.17 | daedeloth | is it a good idea to just replace the sources.List and dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:41.52 | nkuttler | daedeloth: doesn't sound completely wrong, but check the release notes |
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| 22:42.10 | daedeloth | I'm following a guide |
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| 22:42.23 | nkuttler | daedeloth: which guide? |
| 22:42.25 | daedeloth | I'd have gone for dist-upgrade, but apparently you need to start with a regulare upgrade |
| 22:42.28 | daedeloth | http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
| 22:42.44 | daedeloth | well, skipping the whole session log |
| 22:42.48 | daedeloth | it's not a vital system :) |
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| 22:44.09 | nkuttler | daedeloth: usually a dist-upgrade is all you need to get to the next release, but there can be some pitfalls if this system is just for play.. yeah.. try a dist-upgrade (and read the release notes) |
| 22:44.45 | daedeloth | ok |
| 22:44.50 | daedeloth | well, it seems to be going fine for now |
| 22:44.55 | daedeloth | and I guess it won't mess up the raid |
| 22:45.19 | daedeloth | I completley missed this release though, must have been living under a rock for a bit :p |
| 22:45.50 | nkuttler | a raid is not a backup. just saying |
| 22:45.57 | daedeloth | I am aware :) |
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| 22:46.11 | daedeloth | again, no vital systems :) |
| 22:46.38 | nkuttler | well then, have fun! :) |
| 22:46.51 | daedeloth | ah, ubuntu also has a release next month |
| 22:46.55 | daedeloth | mir. |
| 22:47.14 | daedeloth | wonder if it will be any good |
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| 22:49.37 | daedeloth | aargh |
| 22:49.38 | daedeloth | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 22:51.37 | nkuttler | !tell daedeloth about immediate configuration |
| 22:53.14 | daedeloth | thanks |
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| 23:14.35 | queso | How do I mount my phone? It's a Galaxy Nexus using latest Android. I'm on Wheezy. I'm also using Awesome window manager, it's not a full desktop environment like Gnome, so it isn't automounting it. I can see it in lsusb and I've installed mtp-tools. Not sure where to go from here. |
| 23:15.09 | blawiz | from a clean install, what packages does one need to start xdm/openbox? |
| 23:15.13 | blawiz | stable |
| 23:15.30 | aypea[1] | queso: dmesg, does it show new devices? |
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| 23:16.18 | queso | aypea[1]: I think so, yes: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd (and 5 or so more lines) |
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| 23:17.12 | aypea[1] | queso: any that look like sda or sda1? |
| 23:17.54 | queso | aypea[1]: No |
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| 23:18.15 | aypea[1] | queso: is your phone prompting you to turn on usb something or other? |
| 23:18.44 | queso | aypea[1]: It says: "Connected as a media device Touch for other USB options" |
| 23:18.55 | aypea[1] | queso: so touch :) |
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| 23:19.13 | queso | aypea[1]: In here, it has MTP enabled and PTP disabled |
| 23:19.48 | aypea[1] | queso: nothing else? |
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| 23:20.05 | queso | aypea[1]: Nope. |
| 23:20.16 | nkuttler | blawiz: install openbox, xorg and .. xdm? |
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| 23:20.22 | aypea[1] | queso: prepare to cry: http://www.theverge.com/android/2011/11/22/2579691/galaxy-nexus-usb-mass-storage-mtp |
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| 23:21.44 | blawiz | nkuttler, trying to install xinit, i have some xorg packages according to 'dpkg -l' |
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| 23:22.08 | queso | aypea[1]: But why can't I use MTP? |
| 23:22.09 | blawiz | nkuttler, ahh, now it works :) thanks for helping |
| 23:23.11 | aypea[1] | queso: oh. I so misread your initial question. i'm sorry. :/ no idea about that. |
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| 23:24.37 | queso | aypea[1]: I find this hard to believe that Google's (previous) flagship phone can't transfer files to a Linux computer... |
| 23:25.07 | queso | aypea[1]: Why upload to Dropbox/whatever when my computer is *right here*? Man the way they've designed these things is so frustrating. |
| 23:25.34 | aypea[1] | queso: cos that's the way of the googles. it's all (their) networked. to the clod! |
| 23:25.36 | queso | 's previous messages were off topic, sorry |
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| 23:26.01 | aypea[1] | queso: but yeah, no idea. I steer clear of nexus phones cos they tend to drown in googlenessedness. |
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| 23:27.04 | Evidlo | aypea[1]: what? |
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| 23:31.35 | queso | aypea[1]: okay, so it was photos that I wanted to get, I can switch it to camera mode and it works in nautilus. But that still doesn't help me transfering audio/documents. Oh well, it's something. That's for your help! |
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| 23:49.28 | hacfi | hi there |
| 23:49.49 | hacfi | really stupid question: how can I install debian 7 in VirtualBox WITHOUT GUI? |
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| 23:51.37 | gnarface | hacfi: you mean you want the installation to lack a gui or you want the installer to lack a gui? |
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| 23:52.24 | hacfi | gnarface: install debian on the harddrive without a desktop or whatever it’s called |
| 23:52.28 | hacfi | like a server installation |
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| 23:53.41 | abrotman | hacfi: when you get to the end of the installer, uncheck "Desktop" |
| 23:53.55 | hacfi | abrotman: thanks..maybe I oversaw that option |
| 23:54.00 | hacfi | 2nd try :) |
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| 23:55.17 | arthurfiggis | hello :) i notice from the wiki that the latest version of the nvidia drivers available from contrib and non-free is 304.88...is there a repository or an easy way to install a later version, or would this have to be done manually somehow? |
| 23:55.35 | hacfi | abrotman: found it..thanks |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | hacfi: enjoy |
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| 23:56.15 | hacfi | thanks :) |
| 23:56.18 | abrotman | arthurfiggis: does tha tversion not support your card? |
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| 23:57.21 | codygman | What is the best way to get emacs 24+ on debian wheezy? |
| 23:57.46 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: it does support my card from what i can tell...however i've noticed occasional flickering/graphics corruption in kde when desktop effects were enabled that went away entirely with the 31x.xx line of drivers when last i tried |
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| 23:57.50 | abrotman | codygman: I think it's still "compile it yourself", possibly /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 23:58.11 | abrotman | codygman: or /msg dpkg ssb (it's now in unstable, goodluck) |
| 23:58.15 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: i realize that was in a different distro entirely though (fedora 19), so whether or not it worked there and whether it will under debian are different matters :) |
| 23:58.33 | abrotman | arthurfiggis: they haven't backported anything more recent yet |
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| 23:59.47 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: ahh, i see...so would probably have to apt-get build-dep what the official driver package needs, install that and...see what happens :) thanks, hopefully a newer version will be available soon...it's not a big issue anyway |
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