| 00:00.28 | bramwelt | Riztonnn: You need to add the colorscheme line to your '.vimrc' |
| 00:00.40 | bramwelt | Not bashrc. |
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| 00:00.54 | Riztonnn | yeah sorry I added the line to .vimrc |
| 00:01.00 | bramwelt | The color schemese for bash are different and also depend on your terminal. |
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| 00:01.13 | Riztonnn | it wouldnt say that it cannot find it if it wasnt in vimrc file :-) |
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| 00:01.20 | bramwelt | Oh, perhaps it is declared previous in the file? |
| 00:01.43 | Riztonnn | ? |
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| 00:02.04 | Riztonnn | nop, this is the first time I am trying to change it |
| 00:02.21 | Riztonnn | it is like vim is not going to search for the file where I am expected... |
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| 00:02.45 | bramwelt | Riztonnn: So the only thing in your '.vimrc' is 'colorscheme toto.vim' ? |
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| 00:04.25 | bramwelt | Riztonnn: Try 'vim -u PATH_TO_VIMRC_FILE' |
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| 00:04.28 | Riztonnn | no I wrote : "syntax on" before |
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| 00:05.26 | mavzuna | Riztonnn: Try the line "colorscheme toto", without the .vim extension |
| 00:06.22 | Riztonnn | if I am doing : vi -u .vim/color/toto.vim .vimrc |
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| 00:06.52 | Riztonnn | it is saying : E282: Cannot read from "/.vim/color/adrian.vim" |
| 00:07.34 | bramwelt | 'vi -u .vimrc' |
| 00:07.44 | bramwelt | and it should be in 'colors' not 'color' |
| 00:07.47 | bramwelt | :) |
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| 00:09.26 | Riztonnn | yeah I tried all path possible that's why :-) |
| 00:10.10 | Riztonnn | now "vim -u .vim/colors/toto.vim file" is not returning any error but there is also no color :-) |
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| 00:12.07 | Riztonnn | alright it is working ! |
| 00:12.11 | Riztonnn | thank you |
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| 00:12.24 | Riztonnn | the winner is mavzuna :-) |
| 00:12.45 | Riztonnn | it was without the vim extension |
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| 00:15.55 | bramwelt | Ha, awesome! |
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| 00:16.13 | babilen_ | Riztonnn: I'd recommend to take a look at https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible which defines a number of, well, sensible defaults for vim. pathogen (together with mr) is also nice to have. But this is rather a topic for #vim than #debian :) |
| 00:18.48 | Riztonnn | thank you babilen I will have a look ! |
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| 00:51.21 | manhunter | Hi |
| 00:51.33 | manhunter | What is the shortcut key to get the desktop |
| 00:51.37 | manhunter | gnome3 classic |
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| 01:03.33 | b0ss_ | hey I'm using MSMTP and I'd like to know where to place .msmtprc file in such way my PHP application is able to read it. My app is under /var/www/my_app |
| 01:04.40 | wolfmitchell | Why is apt-get trying to start dovecot when I'm trying to remove it/ |
| 01:04.46 | wolfmitchell | s/\//? |
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| 01:06.50 | somiaj | wolfmitchell: why do you think it is trying to start it? |
| 01:07.13 | dvs | no other MTA? |
| 01:07.40 | wolfmitchell | because when I'm trying to purge it it says "Starting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecot" |
| 01:08.21 | somiaj | wolfmitchell: you can look at the pre/post rm scripts if you really want to know what is going on, so I figured it would run the init.d script and try to stop it |
| 01:08.50 | somiaj | dvs: dovecot isn't an MTA so that hsould be fine |
| 01:08.59 | somiaj | dvs: it does work with them though. |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | b0ss_: look at the man page, should give you a global one ? |
| 01:09.11 | dvs | hides in shame |
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| 01:19.47 | mrdeb | hi |
| 01:19.59 | babilen | \o |
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| 01:21.31 | Myconix | sigh, mod abuse |
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| 01:26.05 | canolucas | it seems that www.kernel.org is down. does anyone know what happened? |
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| 01:26.41 | somiaj | canolucas: it seems up for me, but this isn't the right place to ask about www.kernel.org |
| 01:27.04 | vmiimu | php error after installing suhosin on wheezy : http://pastebin.com/xCYixWAt |
| 01:27.12 | canolucas | yup sorry |
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| 01:27.23 | vmiimu | followed instructions here: http://www.php-security.net/archives/8-Suhosin-0.9.34-dev-installation-howto.html |
| 01:27.55 | babilen | vmiimu: Last time I checked suhosin wasn't supported on Debian/wheezy |
| 01:28.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell vmiimu -about suhosin |
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| 01:29.46 | vmiimu | babilen - k thanx |
| 01:29.46 | somiaj | that page does seem to say it works with wheezy, but over all that will not be supported by debian and you should ask the makers what is wrong |
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| 01:30.08 | somiaj | I also don't like how the make install puts it in /usr/lib and not /usr/local/lib like a sane thing would |
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| 01:30.27 | vmiimu | somiaj - so for now i should walk away from this? |
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| 01:31.08 | somiaj | vmiimu: I would trust the dpkg factoid, but over all your call. You just won't get support here |
| 01:31.22 | vmiimu | somiaj - thanx got it |
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| 01:31.40 | babilen | vmiimu: Well, I totally agree with somiaj's assessment that installation to anything but /usr/local is a bit no-no and wouldn't trust those instructions at all. We also do not support them and I would recommend to read the release notes regarding suhosin. |
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| 01:37.21 | Ernandes | hi |
| 01:37.37 | mrdeb | hi |
| 01:38.28 | hesco | Since a fresh reboot on a two week old installation of D7/wheezy, my load average has been 43 and the first item listed by top reads: /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-tQ91MO/database -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | mrdeb: what were you asking about? |
| 01:38.47 | hesco | any advise on how I can recover my machine ??? |
| 01:38.50 | abrotman | hesco: what's your video card? |
| 01:39.08 | mrdeb | idont remembe |
| 01:39.21 | hesco | lspci says: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:39.31 | hesco | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | hesco: and if you kill that process, Xorg shuts down ? |
| 01:40.21 | hesco | I assume so, so I have not tried it |
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| 01:40.36 | hesco | shall I try it? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | save your work |
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| 01:40.58 | hesco | it will take down this chat client with it of course |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | yes, i get that |
| 01:41.51 | hesco | of course. I've been ignoring it while I worked on a deadline. my work at a terminal has not been too painful, but it took forever to run a code coverage report |
| 01:42.26 | hesco | ok, will try that, though I did a reboot this afternoon trying to resolve this and it came back up at 43 load average |
| 01:42.43 | mrdeb | can someone check spelling on debian page |
| 01:42.46 | mrdeb | i noticed comments from users |
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| 01:43.13 | abrotman | mrdeb: you can, you can also submit bugs about spelling |
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| 01:43.46 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 02:11.01 | vmiimu | I recall a set of helpful sripts for debian to optimize some things and install command line browsers etc. I think it was called smixi or something similar -- does anyone know -- I can't seem to find it. |
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| 02:13.04 | internetpanda | I am having an issue with aptitude |
| 02:13.16 | internetpanda | I installed a package and completely bollocksed the config |
| 02:13.25 | internetpanda | so I ran apt-get --purge remove nginx |
| 02:13.30 | internetpanda | to get rid of it and all confs |
| 02:13.39 | internetpanda | then I installed it again |
| 02:13.44 | internetpanda | and it didn't recreate the confs |
| 02:13.57 | abrotman | internetpanda: did you purge nginx-common ? |
| 02:14.06 | somiaj | vmiimu: I was able to find smxi.org with a quick google search. Though this looks unoffical so use at your own discression. |
| 02:14.10 | abrotman | assumes that exists |
| 02:14.11 | internetpanda | no |
| 02:14.14 | internetpanda | that's gotta be it |
| 02:14.15 | somiaj | vmiimu: also not supported here. |
| 02:14.18 | internetpanda | thanks |
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| 02:14.45 | vmiimu | somiaj: would there be a wiki with a list of those kinds of things? |
| 02:16.00 | somiaj | vmiimu: what kinda of things? Using third party resources are outside the control of debian. |
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| 02:16.28 | vmiimu | somiaj: n/m |
| 02:16.31 | vmiimu | thanx |
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| 02:20.54 | boostedcabbage | i'd like to install a newer version of xorg on jessie. 1.14.2 or so. what's the easiest way to do this? |
| 02:21.03 | vmiimu | somiaj: found it! smxi is what I was looking for since it supports debian -- http://smxi.org/ |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | boostedcabbage: compile from source or try to shoehorn the packages from experiemental onto jessie |
| 02:22.19 | id10t | boostedcabbage: is the version you want in sid? |
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| 02:23.30 | somiaj | vmiimu: I gave you that link, didn't read what the scripts do though. (: |
| 02:23.48 | boostedcabbage | id10t: no, but it's in experimental |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | boostedcabbage: you want 1.14 ? |
| 02:24.25 | boostedcabbage | yeah |
| 02:24.31 | vmiimu | somiaj: woah - missed that =) helpful little time savers in there.. |
| 02:25.02 | boostedcabbage | abrotman: trying to get my display ports working with an optimus laptop. figured i'd use the latest and greatest |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | not sure that will help |
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| 02:26.05 | somiaj | vmiimu: I guess, again use at your own discression. (: |
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| 02:26.23 | boostedcabbage | i was thinking this has some potential: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/319.12/README/randr14.html |
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| 02:27.05 | boostedcabbage | abrotman: i'm thinking xrandr 1.4 might help.. shrug |
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| 02:28.50 | jetscreamer | miss me yet? |
| 02:28.56 | boostedcabbage | i did |
| 02:29.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:32.30 | jetscreamer | how does one change the kernel options (vga=normal, that kind) in grub2? w/o having to edit the boot screen everytime. |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /etc/default/grub |
| 02:33.16 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 02:33.19 | rww | followed by update-grub |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | i was giving jetscreamer the benefit of the doubt on that one |
| 02:33.58 | jetscreamer | it's been a while, i would have probably remembered, maybe not |
| 02:34.33 | somiaj | isn't vga= depericated? |
| 02:35.21 | jetscreamer | used to editing grub 1 even after grub 2 was the default... i dunno, but the screen is really big by default, i hit E at the screen and added vga-0x317 and it helped |
| 02:35.28 | zykotick9 | somiaj: yes (but i believe it still works). |
| 02:35.29 | jetscreamer | = |
| 02:35.43 | jetscreamer | ok so what's the new way |
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| 02:38.28 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: look into "GRUB_GFXMODE=ZxYxW" & "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep" if you want to specify, a supported resolution. |
| 02:39.18 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: if you're using proprietary drivers though, it gets ugly. and "typically" it should be full resolution by default. |
| 02:40.43 | jetscreamer | it's not the grub menu, but the console while booting at after login that i'm looking to change |
| 02:40.57 | jetscreamer | s/at/and/ |
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| 02:41.08 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: do you use nvidia or ati drivers? |
| 02:41.47 | jetscreamer | nvidia the debian non-free not the nvidia installer |
| 02:41.51 | jetscreamer | but yeah |
| 02:42.55 | jetscreamer | and yes i started getting font problems in kde when i switched, too |
| 02:43.27 | jetscreamer | the noveau almost acted right but had some drawing issues |
| 02:43.31 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: that still messes with console graphics! |
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| 02:44.18 | jetscreamer | oh. it's jessie not wheezy |
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| 02:44.28 | jetscreamer | forgot to mention that tidbit |
| 02:45.08 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: there IS a way to fix it, but I don't see it in my nots anymore... search online there is a fix ;) good luck. it's one of the reasons i don't like the propritary drivers for nvidia... and MY solution is to mainly run nouveau. |
| 02:45.18 | zykotick9 | s/nots/notes/ |
| 02:45.43 | jetscreamer | well, least it wasn't s/nots/snots/... |
| 02:45.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:46.10 | jetscreamer | well, vga=whatever seems to help the console at least |
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| 02:46.22 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 02:50.28 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: lol, i'm actually on my "free as in beer" sid right now. when i installed "fbset" to see what the linux console resolution was at, it returned an error about /dev/fb0 "no such...". it breaks linux's frame buffer :( good luck. |
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| 03:31.47 | iarinov | hi |
| 03:31.59 | iarinov | after apt-get purge samba i cant reinstall it |
| 03:32.10 | iarinov | [FAIL] Starting Samba daemons: nmbd failed! |
| 03:32.12 | iarinov | invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed. |
| 03:32.19 | iarinov | how to fix it? |
| 03:32.53 | somiaj | iarinov: what version of debian? |
| 03:32.57 | iarinov | 7.1 |
| 03:33.56 | somiaj | iarinov: you can modify the postinst script and comment out the invoke-rc.d line (so it doesn't actually start the service) |
| 03:34.01 | qman__ | iarinov, did you apt-get purge samba-common? |
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| 03:34.17 | qman__ | because that's the one that actually has all the files in it |
| 03:34.19 | iarinov | no, only samba but it writes samba* |
| 03:34.27 | iarinov | and i was agree |
| 03:34.33 | somiaj | iarinov: that will install it but you wil lhave to fix why it won't start |
| 03:34.36 | qman__ | in that context, the asterisk only refers to it being purged |
| 03:34.39 | qman__ | it's not a wildcard |
| 03:34.46 | somiaj | iarinov: and yes, may need to pruge the common package so you get fresh config files |
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| 03:35.40 | iarinov | thanks |
| 03:36.07 | iarinov | fixed, works |
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| 04:30.44 | molavy1 | hi |
| 04:31.36 | iarinov | when i create samba users they have ssh access to internal server |
| 04:31.41 | iarinov | how to disable it? |
| 04:31.58 | iarinov | change sshd config file or samba options? |
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| 04:34.21 | somiaj | iarinov: I think you can do either. Depending on if you want samba users to be an actual user on your system or not |
| 04:34.29 | molavy1 | what is best Visualization software |
| 04:34.44 | iarinov | molavy1: of what? |
| 04:35.18 | molavy1 | i want isolate web server OS from internal office services OS |
| 04:35.23 | somiaj | iarinov: so you can either configure users within samba that have no actual user on the system, or you can configure sshd to only allow certain users to login |
| 04:35.45 | socomm | iarinov: samba supports virtual users from what I remember |
| 04:35.47 | somiaj | molavy1: do you mean virtulization? |
| 04:35.52 | socomm | iarinov: /j #samba |
| 04:36.22 | somiaj | molavy1: best is subjective. I think kvm is the way to go, but any of the main ones should work for you. |
| 04:36.50 | molavy1 | iarinov: we have DL083 G8 HP Proliant server so i want have to OS on it, one for web service and another for setup internal network |
| 04:36.56 | iarinov | xen is good for me |
| 04:38.29 | molavy1 | iarinov: why do you prefer xen? do you test other ones |
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| 04:42.13 | iarinov | molavy1: because it has powerful device... dont know how in english - when you create the same internal device as you have outside |
| 04:42.25 | iarinov | and i impressed by its concepts |
| 04:42.46 | iarinov | simple, fast, stable and easy to understand i guess |
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| 04:48.19 | jkaberg | I've got transmission setup to run a script on torrent finish, lol.sh, ive chmod a+x the script but the script still wont fire when the torrent finishes. any pointers? |
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| 04:51.04 | nonconvergent | I am mystified over my inability to connect to workbench to this mysql server of mine over ssh |
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| 04:56.01 | icedtea | is there a channel for building debian packages? |
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| 04:57.00 | somiaj | icedtea: you can ask you question here, but there is #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (there is also a debian mentors mailing list) |
| 04:57.08 | somiaj | icedtea: also be sure you have read the debian new matainers guide |
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| 04:58.29 | icedtea | thanks somiaj |
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| 04:58.57 | crypticmofo | hi all .. don't mean to troll but when i was on debian there was a tool you guys showed me to find packages very fast |
| 04:59.05 | crypticmofo | it wasn't dpkg / apt or apttitude |
| 04:59.11 | crypticmofo | it was a 3rd party tool / cli |
| 04:59.26 | somiaj | crypticmofo: what do you mean by find packages very fast? |
| 04:59.33 | somiaj | crypticmofo: why wouldn't apt-cache search or aptitude search do it? |
| 04:59.50 | crypticmofo | somiaj: its hard to explain o_O |
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| 05:01.12 | somiaj | crypticmofo: I can tell, but so far I don't see what you are looking for that can't be done with search features |
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| 05:01.53 | mamtina | hi folks ! |
| 05:02.03 | crypticmofo | somiaj: i know aptitude and apt-cache are good .. do you know of any 3rd party tools that do the same thing ? |
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| 05:02.34 | crypticmofo | w00t i found it |
| 05:02.35 | mamtina | someone know how to fix this: http://paste.debian.net/37252/ |
| 05:02.40 | mamtina | ? |
| 05:02.41 | crypticmofo | i love google |
| 05:02.44 | somiaj | crypticmofo: nope, and I don't see why you would want them. apt-file is useful if you want to search file names, and packages.debian.org is useful too |
| 05:02.46 | crypticmofo | axi-cache |
| 05:02.47 | somiaj | crypticmofo: what is it? |
| 05:02.50 | crypticmofo | sound familar ? |
| 05:03.34 | crypticmofo | http://www.enricozini.org/2010/debian/axi-cache/ |
| 05:03.55 | somiaj | I saw it mentioned in here once but that is it, guess I still don't see the reason for another tool (: |
| 05:04.08 | crypticmofo | yea |
| 05:04.24 | crypticmofo | you can search by tags and stuff |
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| 05:05.58 | somiaj | looks like it has some nice features, the tags can be searched via aptitude |
| 05:06.20 | somiaj | crypticmofo: http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 05:06.41 | somiaj | I personally like aptitude search because of its power to search different things like repos, etc |
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| 05:07.35 | crypticmofo | dam now i wantt to install debian |
| 05:07.36 | crypticmofo | thank sall |
| 05:07.39 | crypticmofo | :D |
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| 05:11.36 | savant | Hi all. Is there a way to petition the removal of a package? |
| 05:12.56 | savant | I am a developer on a PHP framework which is maintained by lamby (Chris Lamb) but the package in Debian is over 3 years old. |
| 05:12.58 | somiaj | savant: what do you mean by removal? from the debian archives and why? |
| 05:13.32 | somiaj | savant: you can start with filing a wishlist bug |
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| 05:13.59 | savant | We've since moved from that release (1.3) to 2.4, and we'll be releasing a 3.x in a few months |
| 05:14.14 | savant | every so often we get a user who complains that our docs dont apply to what they installed. quite annoying |
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| 05:16.36 | savant | I'm guessing I need to follow the email instructions here: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:16.40 | savant | thanks somiaj |
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| 05:17.47 | somiaj | yea report it for the package in question. Now if the maintainer is not being that active not sure if it is enough to get it removed (if there are people using it). You can also try to get someone else to matain the package and bring in the newer upstream version |
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| 05:18.34 | savant | I think we'd rather it just not be included in debian going forward. |
| 05:19.06 | savant | While I can see it being cool to have the upstream updated, we can't trust the debian maintainer to keep the package up to date |
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| 05:19.30 | savant | and you're also likely to not include the 2.x line on the already released distro versions that include our 1.3.x series. |
| 05:19.39 | savant | so we don't *really* solve the problem |
| 05:19.45 | savant | Though I'm open to suggestions |
| 05:19.56 | savant | And I'll include that info in my bug report |
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| 05:20.13 | savant | Would be nice to have releases automated by our jenkins release cycle |
| 05:20.41 | somiaj | savant: would you want to create your own packages that comply to debian standards for your users? |
| 05:21.00 | savant | that would be fine except for the versioning issue |
| 05:21.17 | savant | since the 2.x line isnt BC with 1.3, and neither will the 3.x line be |
| 05:21.29 | savant | so anyone installing on old installs of debian would have a bad time |
| 05:21.53 | savant | and you are all very strict about BC from what I remember of my debian usage way back when. |
| 05:22.44 | somiaj | Well maybe someone a bit more knowledgable than I will have some advice (there are plenty here who are) |
| 05:23.10 | somiaj | but the bts is the first place to start. You could also find a debian matainers mailing list and ask there too |
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| 05:24.52 | mamtina | is there someone who can help me? |
| 05:24.52 | mamtina | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:25.53 | somiaj | mamtina: what are you trying to do? There is no service by the name "modprobe brcmsmac" |
| 05:26.19 | somiaj | are you trying to load that module at boot? |
| 05:26.39 | mamtina | yes yes yes |
| 05:26.58 | somiaj | look at the file /etc/modules, it is a list of extra modules to be loaded at boot |
| 05:27.58 | mamtina | so I have to copy something in /etc/modules ? |
| 05:28.32 | somiaj | "echo brcmsmac >> /etc/modules" will do the trick, or you can edit the file |
| 05:28.36 | somiaj | again just need the name of the module |
| 05:29.07 | mamtina | aaaah, ok I going to try that |
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| 05:30.29 | somiaj | savant: biggest issue I could see is 'upgrading' from one version to the next. Though there are cases where that is not possible. |
| 05:37.36 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi #debian, is the ufw firewall enabled upon install? |
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| 05:38.54 | MonkWitDaFunk | If not, how can i use debian as a fileserver which is an option during install? Do i need a network connection to use debian as a file server upon install? |
| 05:39.02 | somiaj | no firewal is enabled by default |
| 05:39.06 | MonkWitDaFunk | After install* |
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| 05:40.23 | MonkWitDaFunk | Ok. Somiaj, have you.choosen the file server option during an install? |
| 05:41.00 | somiaj | it will install the software and set up the defaults, but yes you will need a connenction to the network you wish to share files and should probabaly configure it to your situation |
| 05:43.31 | icedtea | source packages don't end in the extention .deb do they? |
| 05:44.00 | somiaj | nope |
| 05:44.35 | somiaj | I think you download them in a .tar.gz format, but they contain a few things (the source, patches and some other files) |
| 05:44.50 | icedtea | yeah thats what debuild appears to have created |
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| 05:45.56 | themill | A source package is normally 3 files (2 for native packages) |
| 05:46.03 | nonconvergent | Here's two pictures of me failing to log into my mysql server via ssh, while logged into the same server through ssh, demonstrating that I have no idea what is wrong. |
| 05:47.03 | nonconvergent | http://i.imgur.com/tp0bsfJ.png |
| 05:47.55 | nonconvergent | http://imgur.com/PtQ39U1.png |
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| 06:18.56 | k_sze[work] | We have virtualenvwrapper 2.2.2-2 on squeeze |
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| 06:19.20 | k_sze[work] | I don't even know how it's being sourced when I start bash. |
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| 06:19.36 | k_sze[work] | I don't see it being sourced in ~/.bashrc, I think. |
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| 06:23.29 | themill | k_sze[work]: /etc/bash_completion.d/virtualenvwrapper (which would be loaded via the rest of bash_completion -- it's not all completion functions so it's a bit of an abuse of that mechanism to load it there) |
| 06:23.59 | k_sze[work] | I see. |
| 06:24.09 | k_sze[work] | And aptitude won't allow me to upgrade it. |
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| 06:24.14 | k_sze[work] | it's being held back. |
| 06:24.25 | themill | perhaps you can pastebin the entire output of your aptitude run |
| 06:24.27 | themill | dpkg: tell k_sze[work] about bat |
| 06:24.50 | themill | it'd be handy to know what you want to upgrade to |
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| 06:29.41 | k_sze[work] | themill: http://paste.debian.net/37273/ |
| 06:29.56 | k_sze[work] | Actually it's python-virtualenv that I'm trying to upgrade first. |
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| 06:30.00 | k_sze[work] | not virtualenvwrapper |
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| 06:30.38 | themill | k_sze[work]: ewww... don't mix squeeze (oldstable) and jessie (testing) like that. |
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| 06:30.54 | aypea[1] | where's the wheezy meat in that sandwich? |
| 06:31.03 | k_sze[work] | I read on the mailing list that I can install 2.7.5 from testing... :/ |
| 06:31.09 | k_sze[work] | I mean python 2.7.5 |
| 06:31.26 | themill | which mailing list suggested that? they need either larting or shooting |
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| 06:31.42 | themill | or both. In the order of your chosing. |
| 06:31.52 | k_sze[work] | https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2011-May/603850.html |
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| 06:32.27 | aypea[1] | of the language installs I wouldn't go out-of-dist for perl and python. too many tears. |
| 06:32.28 | k_sze[work] | granted, that was old, over two years ago. |
| 06:32.49 | k_sze[work] | So maybe 'testing' back then was still for squeeze anyway? |
| 06:33.07 | themill | k_sze[work]: that's not really what they're suggested in that jessie was not testing at the time. I still would highly recommend against mixing releases at all and especially not for something like python |
| 06:33.37 | themill | k_sze[work]: your best course of action here is to get rid of "testing" (or "jessie") from your sources.list and consider if you'd like to upgrade to wheezy where you get python2.7 automatically. |
| 06:34.00 | themill | dpkg: tell k_sze[work] about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 06:59.45 | loaden | Hello, guys! I've just meet a strange problem. I found `ping sohu.com` is very very slowly, but ping the IP directly just fine, e.g. `ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx` |
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| 07:00.47 | loaden | So, After Google, It's seems be DNS problem. But I don't know how to fixed it. any comments? |
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| 07:09.23 | CountryfiedLinux | I'm considering switching to Debian Testing from Ubuntu. In comparing Debian Testing to Ubuntu LTS, which is more stable, and which is more up to date? Or can both be said about either one? |
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| 07:09.51 | Samul | hi all |
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| 07:10.12 | Samul | I have debian 7 wheezy, I'd like to install gnome2 and remove gnome3. is it possible? if, how? |
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| 07:10.46 | CountryfiedLinux | Sambler, Why not just go with Mate? |
| 07:11.04 | CountryfiedLinux | Sambler, Its a Gnome 2 fork that's currently active. |
| 07:11.14 | Samul | Sambler? |
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| 07:11.35 | Samul | CountryfiedLinux: did you mean samul? |
| 07:11.50 | CountryfiedLinux | Samul, Why not just go with Mate? Its a Gnome 2 fork that's currently active. |
| 07:11.58 | Samul | I prefer gnome 2 |
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| 07:12.06 | CountryfiedLinux | Samul, yes sorry Sambler |
| 07:12.08 | themill | Neither mate nor gnome2 are in Wheezy |
| 07:12.10 | Samul | lol |
| 07:12.17 | Samul | what |
| 07:12.24 | Samul | gnome 2 isn't in wheezy?! |
| 07:12.40 | Samul | so there is not a way to install it |
| 07:12.42 | OpenTokix | But XFCE4 is =) |
| 07:12.42 | Samul | true? |
| 07:12.43 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, Its available here http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 07:12.52 | CountryfiedLinux | Sambler, ^ |
| 07:12.54 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: not if you want help in #debian it's not |
| 07:13.07 | Samul | lolwat |
| 07:13.23 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, But you didn't say that at first. It very much is available, and very stable. |
| 07:13.26 | Samul | anyway, themill, is there a way? |
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| 07:13.49 | themill | Samul: debian never has more than one version of a package in the archive at a time. Why would gnome be an exception to that? And who do you think would do all the maintenance work on it? |
| 07:14.11 | Samul | omg |
| 07:14.26 | Samul | so I don't have the liberty to choose the DE's version? |
| 07:14.42 | themill | You can do whatever you want, but don't expect other people to volunteer to do that work for you. |
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| 07:15.07 | drhouse123 | Samul: why not kde, lxde? |
| 07:15.08 | Samul | I just asked whether is a way to install it |
| 07:15.16 | Samul | drhouse123: simply 'cause I prefer gnome |
| 07:15.28 | musca | oldstable has gnome2. |
| 07:15.34 | themill | Samul: not in a way that leaves your installation in any sort of supportable state. |
| 07:15.43 | Samul | hmm |
| 07:15.48 | drhouse123 | Samul: if you want gnome 2 then you should choose squeeze |
| 07:15.58 | Samul | ooh, still version 7? |
| 07:16.15 | Samul | is there gnome 2 in debian 7 squeeze? |
| 07:16.29 | MekkaGodzilla | squeeze is debian 6 |
| 07:16.33 | Samul | oh, OK |
| 07:16.34 | drhouse123 | Samul: squeeze is 6.06 |
| 07:16.38 | MekkaGodzilla | it has gnome 2.30 |
| 07:16.38 | Samul | I didn't know |
| 07:16.44 | CountryfiedLinux | I'm considering switching from Ubuntu to Debian Testing. Other than updating sources list and repos, are there any further learning curves involved? |
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| 07:16.44 | MekkaGodzilla | debian 7 is wheezy |
| 07:16.48 | ElDiabolo | Samul, There are a number of extensions that make gnome3 usable to people (like me) who hate ui innovation. |
| 07:16.48 | ElDiabolo | Samul, The package is gnome-shell-extensions. Install it and turn most of the stuff on. |
| 07:16.48 | Samul | OK |
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| 07:17.08 | Samul | but I need gnome 2 |
| 07:17.28 | Samul | I hate that I cannot see a window bar in the screen |
| 07:17.33 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: what exactly do you mean by "updating sources.list" here? |
| 07:17.35 | Samul | and I have to do in Activities to see it |
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| 07:17.40 | CountryfiedLinux | Sambler, I dunno about Gnome 2, but Mate is a fork that is currently alive and much improved upon in comparison to Gnome 2. That wiki has clear details on how to get it. |
| 07:17.41 | MekkaGodzilla | for gnome 2: use debian 6, MATE, or tweak xfce to look like gnome 2 |
| 07:18.17 | Samul | is it a way to downgrade from debian 7 wheezy to debian 6 squeezy? |
| 07:18.20 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, Like from Wheezy to Jessie, Jessie to Sid, etc. Is that and updating the repos/ppa the only difference as far as the learning curve? |
| 07:18.31 | Samul | *squeeze |
| 07:19.28 | Samul | oh, I need to go. We'll talk about it again. bye all, thanks |
| 07:19.28 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: there are no PPAs in debian. Jessie is going to be a rough ride for a while. You probably want to make sure you really understand how debian works before you go near it. |
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| 07:20.00 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, Is Jessie much different than Ubuntu LTS? |
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| 07:20.46 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, I've been searching Google for Ubuntu LTS vs Debian Testing and not finding much info at all. |
| 07:21.15 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: That is a very wierd thing to compare tbh. |
| 07:21.21 | themill | umm.. yes. Debian testing is a preview of something that will one day become a release. |
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| 07:21.32 | themill | dpkg: tell CountryfiedLinux about moving target |
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| 07:21.55 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, But Ubuntu LTS is based on Debian Testing. I was just trying to compare the differences between the 2. |
| 07:22.10 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: How did you come to that conculsion? |
| 07:22.31 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: debian wheezy is based on debian testing too. That doesn't make it debian testing. |
| 07:22.35 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, I came to question, not conclusion |
| 07:22.48 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: "But Ubuntu LTS is based on Debian Testing |
| 07:22.56 | CountryfiedLinux | It is |
| 07:22.59 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: that is a statement, and I wanna know how you came to it? |
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| 07:26.15 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, Ubuntu regular releases are snapshots of Sid and LTS of Testing, correct? |
| 07:26.41 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, I didn't mean testing as in "rolling" I meant as in a supported snapshot. Sorry should've been more specific. |
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| 07:27.26 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: well, they do somewhat more then that =) - There is a lot of repackaging - and versions from stable and such - ubuntu is ubuntu and debian is debian - And some packages have versionoverlapp - but you can't do a blanket statement like that. |
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| 07:28.58 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, I realize this question may come down to user experience/opinion more than fact, but would you say that Debian Testing is more stable than Ubuntu LTS/regular releases? |
| 07:29.00 | themill | Comparing a frozen snapshot where bugs have been hammered out for a month or so with a continually changing distribution where noone is working specifically on reducing the bug count isn't a natural comparison to make. |
| 07:29.00 | musca | CountryfiedLinux: Debian wheezy is stable and it is newer as ubuntu 12.04 LTS. So why don't you want to install wheezy? |
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| 07:29.28 | CountryfiedLinux | musca, Not newer kernel |
| 07:29.40 | themill | ,kernel --release wheezy-backports |
| 07:29.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1) |
| 07:29.45 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: use backports |
| 07:29.49 | musca | kernel 3.10 is available from debian repo |
| 07:29.53 | themill | kicks judd |
| 07:30.07 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: same kernel in wheezy as 12.04 LTS 3.2.0 |
| 07:30.10 | CountryfiedLinux | musca, My GPU doesn't work properly in Wheezy, but is fine in Ubuntu LTS. My question is regarding Debian Testing btw, trying to weigh out the pros and cons. |
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| 07:30.35 | sidus | hi folks, I want to generate an initrd image on a debian box, just what tool do I use--without packaging, just outright? |
| 07:30.39 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: what is your GPU ? |
| 07:30.39 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, strange that my GPU is properly supported in LTS and not Wheezy? |
| 07:30.45 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: just roll your own kernel if you need some newer feature like tiered storage? |
| 07:31.09 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: an ubuntu release is exactly that, something that is released. Debian testing is not. It changes 4 times per day. What sort of "stable" do you think that is? |
| 07:31.10 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: That is because ubuntu give you non-free-stuff and debian dont, unless you specifcaly ask for it |
| 07:31.41 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, My GPU is free, not non-free driver |
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| 07:32.00 | CountryfiedLinux | drhouse123, Intel B830 its integrated |
| 07:32.45 | OpenTokix | oki |
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| 07:33.35 | CountryfiedLinux | So based on the info I've gathered so far, Wheezy is too old for my GPU and Testing is too unstable, so for now it looks like Ubuntu LTS is the way to go. |
| 07:34.10 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: or you can pull in a newer kernel to wheezy from backports, or roll your own |
| 07:34.11 | sidus | CountryfiedLinux: I'm not sure whether that GPU's got a suitable module but should just really build your own kernel |
| 07:34.13 | OpenTokix | hidden option 3 |
| 07:34.35 | CountryfiedLinux | sidewalk, sounds complicated :-/ |
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| 07:34.45 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, Is that easy to do? |
| 07:34.47 | sidus | CountryfiedLinux: I mean just switching distros due to a single module/driver is like switching cars once your air filter's stuffed with dirt |
| 07:35.06 | drhouse123 | >Testing is too unstable - what?! /me using Sid - it is not too unstable |
| 07:35.27 | themill | drhouse123: How much long term support do you get for that again? |
| 07:35.33 | CountryfiedLinux | drhouse123, I said based on the info I've gathered so far. I didn't claim to be an expert. |
| 07:35.53 | sidus | CountryfiedLinux: then take what you need from testing by adjusting /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get update and apt-get install whatyouwant ; and then reverting the change in the config file |
| 07:36.02 | themill | egads |
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| 07:36.09 | themill | sidus: please don't suggest people do that. |
| 07:36.15 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: backports is simple |
| 07:36.16 | CountryfiedLinux | sidewalk, sounds complicated |
| 07:36.17 | sidus | CountryfiedLinux: if it's just the kernel, you're all set but if it pulls more, you can get screwed in the future |
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| 07:36.30 | themill | sidus: no. Get the kernel from backports.debian.org |
| 07:36.34 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, Do you know if my GPU is in backports? |
| 07:36.36 | drhouse123 | themill: not too long, but there i noticed only three bug |
| 07:36.42 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: no |
| 07:36.53 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: but it is a install, reboot |
| 07:36.56 | OpenTokix | so just try it? |
| 07:36.57 | drhouse123 | bugs* |
| 07:36.57 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, Its Intel B830 its integrated |
| 07:37.04 | sidus | CountryfiedLinux: or what themill says, good to know btw, thanks! |
| 07:37.09 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, install what? |
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| 07:37.53 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: the kernel, from backports |
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| 07:38.46 | CountryfiedLinux | OpenTokix, I searched for it and it said no results. But don't know why in backports the only 2 options are squeeze and lenny? |
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| 07:39.17 | drhouse123 | themill: so, there, noise with pulseaudio (deleted), urb bug in stock kernel (i replaced it to own vanilla) and non-installable libasound2-plugins |
| 07:39.18 | OpenTokix | CountryfiedLinux: http://backports.debian.org/ <-- click on instructions |
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| 07:39.43 | kchehab | hi i have a big difference in memory reading since top command and cat /proc/cpuinfo mark a 48 GB used from 49 GB and htop show 3GB used |
| 07:40.16 | kchehab | i am using debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 07:41.10 | OpenTokix | kchehab: Buffers/Cache for the rest |
| 07:41.16 | OpenTokix | kchehab: check with free -g |
| 07:41.41 | CountryfiedLinux | No search results in backports, but works fine in Ubuntu LTS :-/ kinda confusing |
| 07:42.12 | CountryfiedLinux | Is it as simple as adding backports to my source list? |
| 07:42.26 | kchehab | OpenTokix i did result for Mem: 47 42 4 0 0 39 |
| 07:42.27 | themill | dpkg: tell CountryfiedLinux about bdo kernel |
| 07:42.55 | kchehab | OpenTokix what doesnt mean !!! |
| 07:43.05 | kchehab | does it* |
| 07:43.08 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 07:43.37 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: put it to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:43.42 | CountryfiedLinux | drhouse123, looks simple. That's it? |
| 07:43.51 | sidus | CountryfiedLinux: just to make sure you understand the difference - ubuntu is sort of built on top of the debian stack, the real difference - from my perspective - is only some tweaks, more up-to-date but less stable versions, and regarding your issue: a slightly different config used to build the kernel that's distributed in the binaries, from which results the mishap you're expieriencing |
| 07:43.57 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: then run apt-get update |
| 07:44.03 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: yep |
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| 07:44.18 | kchehab | OpenTokix does it meas 47 GB and 42GB used 4 GB free |
| 07:44.20 | OpenTokix | kchehab: The second row from free is your cached files from filesystems, and buffers used by processes. - The OS will not clear it, unless it have to. |
| 07:44.27 | CountryfiedLinux | drhouse123, So would that solve the issue with the binary variances? |
| 07:44.38 | OpenTokix | kchehab: yes, but the cache/buffers get reclaimed if an process needs it |
| 07:45.03 | drhouse123 | CountryfiedLinux: probably it would |
| 07:45.10 | kchehab | OpenTokix ok how to check what program is doing that ? |
| 07:45.14 | drhouse123 | should* |
| 07:45.15 | themill | drhouse123, CountryfiedLinux: no that's the wrong URL. Please follow the instructions on the backports website. |
| 07:45.19 | OpenTokix | kchehab: OS is doing it for you |
| 07:45.34 | OpenTokix | kchehab: It is a good thing |
| 07:45.44 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, Which instructions are wrong? |
| 07:45.58 | kchehab | OpenTokix but i have no traffic in the system and i am using 39GB |
| 07:46.04 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: the ones drhouse123 just gave you. Please follow the backports website |
| 07:46.15 | kchehab | OpenTokix my system will have a crash due to high memory usuage ? |
| 07:46.16 | OpenTokix | kchehab: yes, every file accessed etc. is getting cached |
| 07:46.20 | OpenTokix | kchehab: no |
| 07:46.23 | CountryfiedLinux | themill, what's the link? |
| 07:46.26 | themill | ... |
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| 07:46.41 | OpenTokix | pours a coffee for themill |
| 07:46.51 | OpenTokix | there there |
| 07:47.10 | themill | CountryfiedLinux: [17:39] <OpenTokix> CountryfiedLinux: http://backports.debian.org/ <-- click on instructions |
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| 07:47.18 | kchehab | OpenTokix may be i am bothering you dude ,but isnt weired to cache 39 GB ,it a new behavior |
| 07:47.25 | themill | OpenTokix: cheers. Might trade for something a bit harder quite soon. |
| 07:47.54 | OpenTokix | kchehab: It is normal behaviour - and it is awesome! - Cache is good |
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| 07:48.27 | CountryfiedLinux | That link is instructions for squeeze backports |
| 07:49.14 | CountryfiedLinux | thanks y'all |
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| 07:49.57 | kchehab | OpenTokix cache means ,all processed data is being cahched ,what it donot flush ? |
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| 07:50.04 | drhouse123 | some people are too lazy... |
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| 07:50.12 | sidus | "For wheezy add this line" |
| 07:50.18 | kchehab | OpenTokix and what about new incoming data process |
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| 07:50.47 | ustyRy | Have a Debian Squeeze server I deployed about 6 months ago, using LUKS/LVM for disc encryption. After a reboot, the kernel boots, but early on the screen turns black, no errors and it never fully boots. Any troubleshooting tips? |
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| 07:51.07 | OpenTokix | kchehab: OS use the memory occupied with cache, if it needs to |
| 07:51.12 | OpenTokix | kchehab: it is transparent for the user |
| 07:51.24 | OpenTokix | kchehab: What is the point of having RAM (expensive) empty? |
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| 07:52.39 | gabedwrds | kchehab: I once got to use a server with 128GB of RAM, an 80GB hard drive, and virtually nothing running on it. it was unbelievably fast because literally the entire hard drive was cached in RAM :D |
| 07:53.21 | kchehab | OpenTokix i am running opensips in it which is a voip server ,What I am wandering if I have a problem in my voip system which will lead to get the system crash |
| 07:53.29 | sidus | kchehab: mem full of cache is only bad--hypothetically--if it's full with badly predicted stuff, like when you'd run a different process every few minutes, randomly |
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| 07:54.53 | kchehab | sidus is- there a way to flush it ? |
| 07:56.29 | drhouse123 | ustyRy: did you upgrade ? |
| 07:56.33 | sidus | kchehab: it's in /proc/sys/vm/dropcaches |
| 07:56.57 | drhouse123 | ustyRy: what you did before that issue? |
| 07:57.00 | sidus | kchehab: take a peek http://google.com/#q=linux+mem+cache+flush |
| 07:57.19 | kchehab | sidus should i rm -rf /proc/sys/vm/dropcaches |
| 07:57.27 | sidus | kchehab: that's drop_caches btw |
| 07:57.58 | sidus | kchehab: no, just take a look at the google query results |
| 07:58.02 | kchehab | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.07 | kchehab | yes i find it thanks |
| 07:58.34 | gabedwrds | kchehab: there is no cache issue, your system is working fine as far as that goes |
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| 08:00.15 | kchehab | gabedwrds sidus OpenTokix thanks alot |
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| 08:01.05 | ustyRy | I think apt-get update may have happened drhouse123, but it's at a client site so I'm unsure. |
| 08:01.10 | kchehab | one more thing is there a way ro remaster my debian in easy way as i want to make it as an iso image and install it in diffenet servers |
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| 08:01.17 | ustyRy | I've got to check it out tomorrow |
| 08:01.18 | sidus | kchehab: if that should one day really concern you like if you get a leaking voip server, your mem will get stuffed with junk over time, then you may consider getting a modern SSD to swap to, they're imperfect at overwrites still, but much more durable |
| 08:01.42 | ustyRy | armed with boot media, I may just mount it up and unlock and copy data off and update to latest stable wheezy then restore |
| 08:02.41 | ustyRy | I was reading some stuff on mailing lists about some potential issues with updates to some of the luks /dm-crypt underpinnings causing issues but not enough to substantiate a good theory to apply a fix quickly. |
| 08:03.02 | sidus | kchehab: and quite a lot of production-grade stuff is leaking, you may want to at least valgrind/cachegrind the server before deployment |
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| 08:08.09 | khurram | hi guys |
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| 08:22.34 | kchehab | sidus valgrind/cachegrind that will clean the memory cache |
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| 08:22.50 | kchehab | valgrind --tool=cachegrind prog |
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| 08:23.15 | kchehab | sidus for example i am using opensips as a voip server i should run it valgrind --tool=cachegrind opensips |
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| 08:31.15 | sidus | kchehab: yeah, if you like, that'll show you the cycles and stuff, you can get kcachegrind it's a nice GUI + visualization |
| 08:32.33 | sidus | kchehab: valgrind alone with default args will show you if there are unreleased resources anywhere in the cycle that's been run, which will accumulate over time |
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| 08:33.50 | sidus | kchehab: I don't know opensips, you just need to test it with your typical setup, i.e., the typical cycles that it runs, like dispatch incoming, redirect, compress/encode, etc. |
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| 08:34.29 | sidus | kchehab: or if you know its sources well, just write a couple unit tests |
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| 08:35.25 | sidus | kchehab: just weigh your testing effort against the probability of it actually littering mem |
| 08:35.26 | JyZyXEL | [48608.720607] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000050 |
| 08:35.29 | JyZyXEL | whats up with that |
| 08:36.27 | sidus | kchehab: it sure might take less effort to routinely (or on passing some threashold) clean up memory instead with a tiny script |
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| 08:41.08 | gabedwrds | JyZyXEL: your kernel made an oopsie |
| 08:41.11 | tomodachi | can anyone recomend some nice free linux backup software, possibly with notifictions , mail reports etc |
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| 08:41.52 | Satorin | dd... oh wait. |
| 08:41.57 | Satorin | Scriptable dd! |
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| 08:42.43 | JyZyXEL | gabedwrds: yeah but why it done that! |
| 08:43.07 | gabedwrds | heh JyZyXEL, dunno. it's a bug for sure. |
| 08:43.10 | JyZyXEL | im getting really frustrated of all these kernel bugs |
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| 08:43.42 | gabedwrds | what's your kernel version, out of curiosity? |
| 08:43.47 | gabedwrds | (uname -a) |
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| 08:44.06 | JyZyXEL | well im now running the kernel from backports because the stable kernel was even more awful |
| 08:44.10 | JyZyXEL | it would kernel panic way sooner |
| 08:44.19 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: can you show the full stacktrace at paste.debian.net? |
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| 08:45.03 | JyZyXEL | sure |
| 08:45.39 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: I am running Debian on a lof of boxes and Kernel panics are really rare. Can you rule out any faulty HW? |
| 08:45.43 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/37313/ |
| 08:45.53 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: how do i do that? |
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| 08:48.37 | JyZyXEL | the only thing that is not up to spec is the chinese sata cables im using, could those cause straight up kernel panics like that? |
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| 08:50.06 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: Was some special command running that time? rsync ? I would run memcheck for a while |
| 08:50.44 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: rsync was doing heavy data reading |
| 08:50.51 | JyZyXEL | i did memtest for 20 hours |
| 08:50.59 | JyZyXEL | no errors |
| 08:51.10 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: ZFS involved? |
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| 08:51.24 | JyZyXEL | XFS, but its not even in the stack trace? |
| 08:51.29 | ChrisH | or XFS? |
| 08:51.53 | JyZyXEL | i have the dump from the stable kernel aswell if you wanna see |
| 08:51.56 | ChrisH | https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/368 looks similar rsync and xfs and similar looking dump |
| 08:52.20 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/37314/ |
| 08:52.26 | JyZyXEL | thats how it looked on the stable kernel |
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| 08:54.46 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: that looks a bit different: Watchdog detected hard LOCKUP on cpu 0 vs. BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000050 |
| 08:55.14 | JyZyXEL | yeah, but both times i was running rsync from XFS to ext3 |
| 08:55.29 | JyZyXEL | difference was stable kernel vs backported one |
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| 08:56.34 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: If you can test. try running rsync with ionice or rsync with -bwlimit=KBPS limit I/O bandwidth; KBytes per second ; just to see if the load makes the differnce. |
| 08:57.06 | JyZyXEL | it probably does because the system has been running for weeks with light load |
| 08:57.10 | ChrisH | It might be some race condition only happening with special conditions |
| 08:57.22 | JyZyXEL | but as soon as there is heavy load the kernel is danger of crapping out |
| 08:57.51 | JyZyXEL | on the stable kernel the system would often kernel panic when scheduled raid scrub started |
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| 09:01.25 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: so there is allways heavy load and DiskIO involved. Can you trigger it using dd reading from the Disks below the Raid? Is it DiskIO generic or filesystem triggered. |
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| 09:02.09 | JyZyXEL | i guess i could try that next |
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| 09:02.26 | JyZyXEL | but im not sure if even that info will help me at this point |
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| 09:03.27 | link-- | hi, my df output seem to be quite strange, can anyone explain why the "used" (778) is so much different from "avail" (91G) ? "/dev/sda1 914G 778G 91G 90% /" |
| 09:03.47 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: It will help you to open a bug report with more details :) |
| 09:03.57 | jubo2 | I need to learn Haml to write the _index.html.haml ( iirc ) |
| 09:04.09 | jubo2 | Someone hold my hand and toss me some links |
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| 09:04.12 | bhuddah | link--: you mean the totals don't match? did you happen to have lots of movement in your data? |
| 09:04.20 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: but bugs like this have a poor change of ever being solved, in the meanwhile i just have to buy completely new hardware |
| 09:04.49 | link-- | bhuddah: i just rm'ed 150G in the past 10m |
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| 09:05.41 | link-- | (fs type is ext3 btw) |
| 09:05.49 | bhuddah | link--: i believe that it is normal that the values don't match then. i have seen this a lot. just wait, and it will recover. and yes, the free space is there and you can use it already. |
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| 09:06.46 | link-- | bhuddah: can you hint me what should i do if it doesn't show up ? it seems like a 100G diff |
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| 09:07.17 | bhuddah | link--: uh. no idea. never had problems. just strange readings. |
| 09:07.42 | link-- | bhuddah: hm, can you refer me to some keywords which might assist to look for ? I'd like to dig up |
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| 09:08.50 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: But what part of the HW do you consider the problem? Disks, Cable, MEmory, CPU,...? |
| 09:08.59 | bhuddah | link--: googling tells me e.g. this: http://pietervogelaar.nl/command-df-in-linux-shows-incorrect-free-space-after-file-removal/ |
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| 09:09.19 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: well like i said, the only low quality part would be the sata cables |
| 09:10.48 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: You could also try to find out if its XFS or EXT3 related? I do not really use XFS at all |
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| 09:11.23 | JyZyXEL | neither stack traces showed any filesystem components to them |
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| 09:12.09 | link-- | bhuddah: ok thanks\ |
| 09:12.15 | JyZyXEL | i guess i could run md check and then dd without having the filesystems mounted |
| 09:12.22 | bhuddah | link--: np. |
| 09:14.12 | JyZyXEL | it just takes so long to run these tests |
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| 09:18.41 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: im not even sure where i should send the bug report |
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| 09:34.44 | afancy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.06 | mniip | what DE/WM |
| 09:36.09 | drunkez | o7 everybody |
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| 09:36.35 | drunkez | anyone with experience about hot-add memory into wheezy on esxi 5.0? |
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| 09:38.39 | hefest | i wonder should i jump from stable to testing on my current "production" or just use backports |
| 09:38.49 | ChrisH | drunkez: a while ago someone here showed it worked. But IIRC it was ESX not ESXi |
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| 09:39.19 | jelly | esxi is newer, if anything it ought to work better |
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| 09:40.20 | ChrisH | from my memory ESXi is the "free" version |
| 09:40.40 | drunkez | now it`s just ESXi no ESX enymore |
| 09:40.48 | drunkez | i`ve just tested it not working:( |
| 09:41.06 | drunkez | so i`m wondering it`s my config/knowledge error or esxi wheezy combination error |
| 09:41.16 | drunkez | i know it`s working with rhel/centos |
| 09:41.17 | ChrisH | !does not work |
| 09:41.17 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 09:41.49 | drunkez | thnx ChrisH |
| 09:41.51 | mniip | :O |
| 09:41.57 | mniip | copypastes that |
| 09:42.33 | ChrisH | drunkez: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1012764 This was the article used last time. |
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| 09:42.51 | drunkez | yea |
| 09:42.52 | drunkez | To set the memory online in RHEL and CentOS: |
| 09:43.02 | drunkez | i must google that |
| 09:43.51 | ChrisH | drunkez: it did work the same way for Debian. I have no ESX(i) to verify myself. |
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| 09:44.45 | drunkez | i will find/test that and post results |
| 09:45.15 | xlinkz0 | Hi, I have wheezy inside virtualbox and i can't connect to the internet although i can't ping google, how can i find out what the problem is? |
| 09:45.50 | ChrisH | xlinkz0: did you bridge the networks? Does the Interface in the VM gets a resonable IP? |
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| 09:46.45 | KeyboardNotFound | can i change the toolbar of top of monitor ? |
| 09:46.54 | xlinkz0 | ChrisH: i did, i can ssh into the VM |
| 09:46.57 | KeyboardNotFound | i need to show all actives programs not only one |
| 09:48.23 | KeyboardNotFound | can i change the toolbar of top of monitor ? |
| 09:48.27 | hefest | whats with the wheezy-backports, i don't see python-pip jessie version available |
| 09:48.35 | KeyboardNotFound | can i change the toolbar of top of monitor ? |
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| 09:49.00 | ws2k3 | hello i have placed this command in my rc.local Xvfb :99 -ac -screen 0 1024x768x8 > /tmp/xvfb.log 2>&1 & but it is not runned on boot what am i doing wrong? |
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| 09:49.57 | ChrisH | xlinkz0: can you ping your hosts default gateway your hosts IP? |
| 09:50.18 | JuanDaugherty | anybody understand the situation with jboss on debian? |
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| 09:50.58 | xlinkz0 | ChrisH: you mean 192.168.88.1 if i have 192.168.88.232 ip on the VM ? |
| 09:52.19 | ChrisH | xlinkz0: It might make sense to show is: cat /etc/resolv.conf ;cat /etc/nsswitch.conf ; ifconfig -a ; netstat -rnv ;; from host and VM |
| 09:52.34 | ChrisH | xlinkz0: Are the networks bridged? |
| 09:52.39 | xlinkz0 | yes |
| 09:52.54 | xlinkz0 | host is windows |
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| 09:53.25 | xlinkz0 | ChrisH: http://codepad.org/HRJay2Oy |
| 09:54.19 | ChrisH | xlinkz0: does ping 192.168.88.1 work? |
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| 09:54.53 | xlinkz0 | no, but it works on windows |
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| 09:56.07 | KeyboardNotFound | i like to install xfce, are i need to remove gnome first ? |
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| 09:56.28 | JuanDaugherty | no |
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| 09:57.13 | ws2k3 | hello i have placed this command in my rc.local Xvfb :99 -ac -screen 0 1024x768x8 > /tmp/xvfb.log 2>&1 & but it is not runned on boot what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:57.19 | ChrisH | xlinkz0: OK. then I assume your Windows does not forward it. I have no idea on how to fix that on Windows. |
| 09:58.22 | theForce | hi folks |
| 09:59.12 | theForce | i wrote a init script. how can i make that to log into /var/log/mycustomscript.log? the log_* functions all seem to echo the output.... |
| 09:59.34 | xlinkz0_ | ChrisH: understood, thanks |
| 10:00.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell KeyboardNotFound -about install xfce |
| 10:00.35 | ChrisH | ws2k3: anything in /tmp/xvfb.log or does the file exists? put some test code into rc.local to write the date into some file |
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| 10:00.59 | ChrisH | theForce: either redirect into that file or use logger and syslogd to do it |
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| 10:03.00 | ws2k3 | ChrisH no there is nothing in /tmp/xfvb.log |
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| 10:04.11 | ChrisH | ws2k3: but the file exists. that means it was at least tried to start up. I would replace Xvfb with the absolute path |
| 10:04.32 | ws2k3 | no the file also dont exsist |
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| 10:05.20 | KeyboardNotFound | i install xfce but when i restart my pc i again see gnome ? |
| 10:05.21 | KeyboardNotFound | why ? |
| 10:05.59 | berarma | KeyboardNotFound: do you select the xfce session at login? |
| 10:06.00 | JuanDaugherty | normally you have to select the wm from whatever dm is in effect |
| 10:06.09 | KeyboardNotFound | berarma, no where to select ? |
| 10:06.18 | JuanDaugherty | (i.e. switch from the current default) |
| 10:06.31 | JuanDaugherty | wm's are supposed to support that on unix |
| 10:06.45 | berarma | he's gone |
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| 10:07.21 | JuanDaugherty | yeah the next part was just gonna be insulting unintentially anyway |
| 10:07.36 | JuanDaugherty | *unintentionally |
| 10:08.04 | JuanDaugherty | stackoverflow has the goods on jboss on debian btw |
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| 10:09.06 | JuanDaugherty | flubbed foreign distro stuffs that the larger community gets right anyway, that's the case precis |
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| 10:13.30 | ChrisH | ws2k3: I did a quick test using this in rc.local: https://paste.debian.net/37348/ It worked for me. |
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| 10:36.24 | iarinov | how to allow access to internal filestorage server with debian 7.1 to ssh only for root? |
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| 10:36.53 | bhuddah | iarinov: can you specify more details, please? |
| 10:36.57 | DelphiWorld | hello debianists:) |
| 10:37.12 | DelphiWorld | please how to add a static interface name to a pptp client? |
| 10:37.27 | DelphiWorld | for example my windows connect to my debian and my deb have ppp0 |
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| 10:37.33 | DelphiWorld | but i want it to be always ppp0 |
| 10:37.50 | iarinov | bhuddah: the ftp server has ssh access to all registered users, how to allow ssh access to root only? |
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| 10:38.52 | ChrisH | iarinov: man sshd_config search for AllowUsers |
| 10:39.04 | bhuddah | iarinov: you can deny access to ssh in the ssh config on the server; based on groups or users |
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| 10:39.25 | bhuddah | maybe it is not a good idea though. |
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| 10:40.24 | iarinov | allow one simple user which can use su? |
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| 10:40.32 | iarinov | is this better idea? |
| 10:41.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell iarinov -about rssh |
| 10:41.38 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: You are aware that PPTP needs to be considered a not secure connection? I do not understand what the problem is with chaning interface names |
| 10:42.09 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: yes but it's not simple to use l2tp for me very complicated;) |
| 10:42.24 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: also, like i say the ppp iface name is dynamic... |
| 10:42.25 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: OpenVPN is easier |
| 10:42.35 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: cert generation piss me off:) |
| 10:42.44 | iarinov | it is local network guys |
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| 10:43.34 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: Why do you need a static interface name for a dynamic process? Dial-up is dynamic and changes if more than one client can connect |
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| 10:44.08 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: to staticaly route a client subnet using ifup.d using iface name |
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| 10:45.23 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: with OpenVPN you can push that based on client's name :) I have no idea how to fix this for you. |
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| 10:45.42 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: lol hahaha i'lle run rip inside ;) |
| 10:46.12 | ksk | hey guys, im not getting the manpage on that one, can i use update-rc.d to set different "NN"s for different runlevels of an init-skript? |
| 10:46.52 | ksk | like id have "K14" in rc.0 but "K18" in rc.1 |
| 10:47.11 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: oh odd, when i enter quagga vtysh i get the crap (END) |
| 10:47.15 | DelphiWorld | no clue how to fix it... |
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| 10:48.24 | themill | ChrisH: the numbers are automatically generated. You don't set them at all. |
| 10:48.48 | ChrisH | themill: ICMP redirect to ksk :) |
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| 10:49.51 | themill | err. yeah. |
| 10:50.12 | ksk | themill: if you like the defaults you can use them yes. but you can set them manually for "start" and "stop" for sure - just wanted to know if its possible to tune it even somehow more specific |
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| 10:51.00 | themill | ksk: no. They are automatically generated based on the dependencies. |
| 10:51.27 | ChrisH | ksk: man update-rc.d shows examples with IDs for each runlevel provided. so the answer is: yes you can. |
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| 10:54.37 | themill | ChrisH, ksk: no, the examples are out of date. The values are not used. |
| 10:55.13 | themill | and you'll find that those examples were finally removed in wheezy |
| 10:55.18 | themill | err, jessie |
| 10:55.32 | ksk | ah okay, so the manpage is out-of-date on squeeze using dependency-based-boot? |
| 10:56.14 | themill | and in wheezy |
| 10:56.30 | ksk | yes, squeeze as in "squeeze and newer" |
| 10:56.31 | ksk | okay, thanks |
| 10:57.32 | DelphiWorld | themill: jessie? |
| 10:57.37 | DelphiWorld | is that debian8? :) |
| 10:58.08 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: thank dude, solved my issue using rip |
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| 10:59.35 | ksk | how do i find out if im using depency-based-booting? the wiki does not really tell |
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| 11:00.09 | tiny | I hear that debian postfix is patched. Trying to setup postfix site and I get: "postmap: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: mysql: Is the postfix-mysql package installed?" |
| 11:00.14 | tiny | postfix-mysql is installed |
| 11:00.40 | ksk | is it loadad( i do nut use postfix, but id guess you will have to enable a module) |
| 11:02.27 | tiny | ksk: yeah, should be enabled when one install postfix-mysql ... I guess... |
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| 11:04.14 | ksk | so take a look |
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| 11:07.51 | DelphiWorld | thank everyone for your valuable help |
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| 11:08.29 | tiny | ksk: I did, edited manualy, of course now I get another error |
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| 11:17.10 | vlt | Hello. When I start my X server the machine doesn't respond anymore. There are millions of "EE" lines in Xorg.0.log, the first 1,000 did I paste here: http://paste.debian.net/37367/ Any idea why these errors occur? |
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| 11:30.23 | musca | vlt: i also see many lines marked with (**) which means they are from config file. |
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| 11:31.46 | vlt | musca: Ah, good. I'll try to find it. |
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| 11:33.57 | vlt | musca: Hmm ... there's not a single file called "xorg.conf" on the system. Anything else I could look for? |
| 11:35.02 | musca | vlt: are there any *.conf files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
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| 11:36.00 | vlt | musca: There isn't even such a directory. |
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| 11:37.09 | musca | vlt: that's okay as xorg does mostly configure itself on startup. |
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| 11:41.20 | fritzi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:41.59 | musca | vlt: is this the machine you asked this question two days ago: <vlt> What command will just show a completely black screen without any cursor? |
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| 11:44.05 | musca | vlt: as i see: (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
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| 11:48.16 | vlt | fritzi: Maybe you want aufs |
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| 11:48.42 | vlt | fritzi: But your attempt in a /dev/shm folder might be fine, too. |
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| 11:52.24 | vlt | musca: No, I need the black screen on a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian. I use it to show streamed video to a theater audience and I don't want a blinking cursor in the upper right corner ;-) |
| 11:52.31 | ChrisH | fritzi: on a power failure or kernel panic you will loose everything. Is that acceptible? |
| 11:52.34 | vlt | *left |
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| 11:57.26 | musca | vlt: you could try the vesa driver |
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| 11:58.55 | vlt | musca: How? (I'm quite unexperienced when it comes to video cards.) |
| 12:00.28 | musca | !r128 |
| 12:00.29 | dpkg | Rage 128 is a 3D graphics accelerator chipset family introduced by ATI in 1998, supported by the r128 xorg driver (xserver-xorg-video-r128 package). http://manpages.debian.net/man/4/r128 http://wiki.x.org/wiki/r128 |
| 12:01.16 | musca | vlt: did you read ^ about the options for R128 |
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| 12:14.46 | tiny | I purged mysql-server install. Reinstalled it. There's no my.cnf file anymore and mysql seems to listen on all interfaces. pita |
| 12:15.51 | crabman | My laptop completely froze a few times except for cursor not even allowing me to use ctrl+alt+f1...f4. Where do I start with diagnosing the reason? |
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| 12:17.03 | ChrisH | crabman: more easiest way ist to start with memcheck |
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| 12:18.33 | crabman | ChrisH: can I do that from inside of debian or do I have to boot from something else? |
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| 12:20.03 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: do you think my kernel panic could be from a resource depletion problem? |
| 12:20.06 | ChrisH | crabman: apt-get install memtest86 and boot into memtest from grub. |
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| 12:20.19 | JyZyXEL | perhaps the system runs out of ram, swap or disk space during the rsync? |
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| 12:20.33 | JyZyXEL | i mean i was doing checksumming and there are terabytes of data |
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| 12:21.49 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: That might be one of the corner cases needed to trigger the panic. It should not be the root cause. Any Unix'sh system must be able to handle that :) |
| 12:22.20 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should run some sort of monitoring when i try it again? |
| 12:22.40 | JyZyXEL | something that logs all the key system parameters during the rsync |
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| 12:25.07 | jelly | tiny: did you do something else with mysql configuration other than purging and installating mysql-server package? |
| 12:25.21 | jelly | judd: file etc/mysql/my.cnf --release squeeze |
| 12:25.25 | judd | Search for etc/mysql/my.cnf in squeeze/i386: mysql-common: etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 12:25.37 | JyZyXEL | it simply might be the case im running too lame hardware for the amount of storage that i have |
| 12:25.42 | tiny | jelly: no nothing |
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| 12:25.56 | jelly | tiny: in particular, you might want to purge and reinstall the package that actually brings /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 12:26.13 | jelly | alternatively, |
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| 12:26.38 | jelly | !confmiss |
| 12:26.38 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 12:27.13 | jelly | tiny: if this is a new setup, why are you using squeeze? |
| 12:27.43 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: monitoring incl. CPU, memory, IO monitoring like offered eg. from omd.org can help to detect the pattern |
| 12:28.02 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: http://omdistro.org/ |
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| 12:29.34 | ChrisH | and/or run atop during the rsync |
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| 12:30.06 | tiny | jelly: it's not new install. |
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| 12:38.21 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: the OMD creates some kind of web interface for setting up monitoring i gather? |
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| 12:43.54 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: sadly not. |
| 12:44.36 | ChrisH | http://www.cacti.net/ is another option and included in debian repos |
| 12:45.31 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: with cacti you can create config from the GUI |
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| 12:48.32 | JyZyXEL | i remember having cacti back in the day, it didn't support very many things |
| 12:48.56 | JyZyXEL | but worth checking out if it does so now |
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| 12:49.27 | survietamine | hello |
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| 12:49.55 | survietamine | on an old debian release (4.0) with kernel 2.6.18, I cannot have iotop/pidstat... and I'm searching for the I/O "guilty", do I have to search in /proc directory ? |
| 12:50.56 | ksk | as 4.0 is before i started using debian i dont know :P do an upgrade O_o |
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| 12:51.42 | survietamine | ksk: I cannot easily stop/reboot this machine |
| 12:51.50 | ksk | i used to use atop, maybe this is available? |
| 12:51.59 | ksk | survietamine: that sounds fail? |
| 12:52.15 | ksk | and should not be a reason to not upgrade a machine for like 6 years ;) |
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| 12:53.14 | jelly | ksk: atop and iotop use the same underlying kernel mechanisms, it won't work |
| 12:53.53 | ksk | sounds reasonable |
| 12:54.21 | survietamine | ok, so there is no way for me to find out which processes/threads is doing so much I/O ? |
| 12:54.33 | jelly | survietamine: you can try to guess based on other available tools, like iostat and top |
| 12:54.52 | jelly | and /proc/sys/vm/block_dump if available |
| 12:55.42 | ChrisH | survietamine: you can have atop http://archive.debian.net/etch/atop |
| 12:56.26 | survietamine | jelly: I'm doing iostat -xmd 2 |
| 12:56.50 | jelly | ChrisH: atop won't work in etch without custom kernel patches |
| 12:57.00 | survietamine | but I don't know how it can provide the process |
| 12:57.19 | jelly | it doesn't, but it shows the partition/filesystem most used |
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| 12:58.08 | survietamine | jelly: yes block_dump is available, so I have to enable it and then search args for each pid |
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| 12:58.57 | survietamine | jelly: yeah, I already know that which disks/partitions, and also know that it is courier-imapd doing I/O but I need args |
| 12:58.57 | jelly | and preferably make syslog log to a remote server, or else syslog itself will create lots of writes |
| 12:59.02 | survietamine | i need the full command line |
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| 13:04.07 | Krugger | survietamine: http://aspersa.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/iodump |
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| 13:05.19 | Krugger | survietamine: but you might need to turn IO kernel messages on |
| 13:05.24 | Krugger | survietamine: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
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| 13:06.39 | survietamine | Krugger: yeah, I already done download that and it runs ok |
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| 13:06.55 | survietamine | but I didn't write some tricks to get the full command line (with args) |
| 13:07.22 | survietamine | which I need because courier-imapd is running with user@domain.tld as argument |
| 13:07.42 | survietamine | for each user, and I want to know which are those users doing high I/O |
| 13:08.00 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: this cacti is way too complicated :\ |
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| 13:16.53 | Younos | hiya all :) |
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| 13:17.13 | maxdml | hi |
| 13:17.16 | Younos | i'm trying to record 720p video on my webcam but Cheese is dropping frames... |
| 13:17.27 | maxdml | just wondering: is there a way to test a preseed file before launching an actual installation? |
| 13:17.39 | Younos | are there any good webcam recording software that allows me to specify my framerate? |
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| 13:18.55 | Younos | i'm using debian 7.1 with gnome (everything stock) |
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| 13:26.01 | DammitJim | is readyboost overrated? I mean, is something similar possible on Debian Linux? |
| 13:26.18 | grobda24 | Younos: "guvcvideo" |
| 13:26.36 | grobda24 | assuming your webcam is UVC standard |
| 13:30.37 | Younos | oh, that is an awesome program. thanks grobda :) |
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| 13:32.54 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: OK. If cacti is too complicated, skip OMD / Nagios/PNP |
| 13:33.06 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: atop is a lot better |
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| 13:33.42 | JyZyXEL | it however does not show free space in the filesystems |
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| 13:33.44 | ChrisH | yep... but only if you can watch online. to get tendencies, trends or other patterns you need the graphical tools. |
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| 13:34.49 | JyZyXEL | i only have 12GiB free space on my / so im thinking it wouldn't be too hard to fill that up with some massive /tmp/ file |
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| 13:34.59 | JyZyXEL | rsync could have well did something like that |
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| 13:37.04 | TBjoe | does debian recognize SSDs and therefore prevent things like superfetch/prefetch (or preload or whatever it is called) etc? |
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| 13:37.58 | abrotman | ChrisH: he could use sar, that's not graphicasl |
| 13:38.04 | ragnul | is no one else seeing various packages being completely broken in ways that seem very release-critical? |
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| 13:38.42 | ragnul | this week it's python... can't even define str properly or something... |
| 13:38.48 | themill | ragnul: bugs.debian.org would have that information |
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| 13:39.27 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: I am running a lot of ryncs with ZFS, Solaris onto compressed target FS and I decided to add a bwlimit to all transfers to avoid issues. The HW has enough CPUs and RAM, but its better to be safe then soory... But this gets offtopic now. |
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| 13:39.39 | ragnul | themill: wouldn't those bugs be picked up by aptitude when it gets to the stage of actually installing? |
| 13:39.46 | ragnul | (if they were reported on the BTS) |
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| 13:40.40 | themill | I'd be very surprised if that sort of bug existed in the python package btw. |
| 13:40.44 | ragnul | java has also gone completely haywire again... |
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| 13:41.05 | themill | that's somewhere beyond vague |
| 13:41.19 | ragnul | themill: yes, my sentiments exactly... but here I am with youtube-dl blowing up inside of "/usr/lib/python2.7/site.py" |
| 13:41.20 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: i was doing a rsync --checksum between a raid-6+luks+XFS and LVM2+luks+ext3, about 3 terabytes worth of data or so |
| 13:41.37 | themill | ragnul: vague... |
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| 13:42.19 | ragnul | themill: well, simply running "python" gets the error, too. File "/usr/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py", line 16, in <module> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'Iterator' |
| 13:42.32 | themill | which version of what packages? |
| 13:43.06 | ragnul | I just installed python 3.2, too... not sure what 2.7 has to do with it... maybe gotta purge old stuff |
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| 13:44.02 | ragnul | anyway, my real issue is that java has broken again and I can't remote into work |
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| 13:44.30 | ragnul | previously I fixed it by reinstalling jres over and over again |
| 13:46.15 | ragnul | yeah, python 2.7 is broken, but 3.2 works... |
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| 13:47.23 | ragnul | (but it seems that python-debian uses 2.7, not 3.2...) |
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| 13:48.56 | ChrisH | ragnul: I just did upgrade my stable box, no python* was installed and simply calling python opens a python 2.7 shell without errors. |
| 13:49.20 | themill | ragnul: until we get details, your monologue continues. |
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| 13:49.38 | ragnul | ChrisH: maybe this is the flood of broken packages that comes into testing after a release |
| 13:49.56 | ChrisH | ragnul: You do not run stable? |
| 13:49.57 | ragnul | themill: I gave you the error... |
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| 13:50.11 | themill | ragnul: at last... a detail. You're running testing? |
| 13:50.26 | ragnul | ChrisH: stable would rarely actually be able to access half of the sites I need |
| 13:50.28 | themill | Precisely which versions of these packages are we talking about? |
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| 13:50.33 | themill | bs |
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| 13:52.24 | ExeciN | I tried booting for the first time after installing 7.1 (unofficial + firmwares) and I am getting this error right before it freezes "fb: conflicting fb hw usage noveaufb vs EFI VGA - removing generic driver" what should I do? |
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| 13:58.34 | crabman | [ 7063.128473] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung |
| 13:58.35 | crabman | [ 7063.128487] [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in /debug/dri/0/i915_error_state |
| 13:58.35 | crabman | Where do I find that /debug folder? It's not in my file system. |
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| 14:00.47 | ChrisH | crabman: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=879823 suggests to do sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_error_state |
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| 14:01.10 | rneese | mornign |
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| 14:01.28 | rneese | is there a place to grab the debian usb driver/modules debs |
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| 14:01.40 | rneese | I need to fix a sd card thast lacking usb drivers |
| 14:02.04 | ChrisH | ragnul: I now did upgrade my jessie box and still python 2.7.5+ is fine. |
| 14:02.35 | vlt | Hello. I need to buy a decent video card that supports OpenGL. Which chip would you recommend on current Debian stable? ATI or NVIDIA? |
| 14:02.55 | crabman | ChrisH: /sys/kernel/debug folder is empty |
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| 14:04.10 | jhutchins | rneese: You'll find them in /lib/modules/1uname -r1/kernel/drivers/usb/ |
| 14:04.26 | jhutchins | s/1/`/ |
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| 14:05.24 | ChrisH | crabman: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54226 mainly https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54226#c7 |
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| 14:07.02 | Intel4004 | after installing rdesktop when trying to use it I get an error saying unable to open display. what might this mean addtionally I need to configure? |
| 14:07.30 | musca | don't start it as root. |
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| 14:08.17 | ChrisH | Intel4004: show the full commandline and make sure you can start other X programms like xterm |
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| 14:08.45 | crabman | ChrisH: Thanks, I've got that i915_error_state now |
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| 14:11.40 | rneese | well seems they did nto put usb oon this img there is no lsusb or any usb tools |
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| 14:13.49 | schreber | what's the easiest way to add a network printer to debian ? |
| 14:14.05 | ChrisH | cups |
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| 14:14.40 | schreber | ChrisH, thought so, thanks. |
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| 14:16.54 | crabman | Is there a way to search all debian bug reports by keywords and view then not like in a mailing list? |
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| 14:18.19 | themill | crabman: bugs.debian.org has quite a good search facility or you can use google and restrict it to that domain |
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| 14:21.40 | schreber | welp I'm sold, adding and having a functional network printer under ubuntu was never that easy. |
| 14:22.42 | val_erie | I am in the process of installing debian and would like to make a separate partition for virtual machines (kvm), I am using LVM and made a separate physical volume/logical volume group/logical volume for virtual machines. Do I need to mount it at this point? |
| 14:23.10 | ChrisH | schreber: If you have one Debiabn Server in your LAN, add it it here and all Linux Boxes will show the printer from listening to the cups broadcasts :) even more easier |
| 14:23.28 | schreber | certainly so |
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| 14:23.58 | ChrisH | val_erie: You made one VG per VM? does that make sense? I expected one VG for all VMs and one LV for each VM. |
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| 14:25.26 | kolla | I want to backport ngircd from sid til wheezy. I have the sid entries for deb-src in sources.list, and have run "apt-get update" (no errors), yet "apt-get source -t sid package" gives "E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
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| 14:25.35 | kolla | why? |
| 14:25.43 | schreber | though I do wonder why the mix up on some of the packages names |
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| 14:26.56 | themill | kolla: try apt-get source ngircd=20.3-1 |
| 14:27.13 | val_erie | ChrisH, I made one VG for all VMs and one LV for all VMs, but maybe you are right and I should have one LV for each VM? |
| 14:27.45 | kolla | themill: thanks, that actually works. |
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| 14:28.49 | ChrisH | val_erie: I would have made one VG for the VMs and depending on the usage one LV for all VMs or one LV per VM (second one with very restrictive size, as increasing is allways easy if there is free space left in the VG) |
| 14:29.11 | crabman | Using reportbug: |
| 14:29.12 | crabman | Your version of linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 (3.2.46-1+deb7u1) is newer than that |
| 14:29.12 | crabman | in Debian! Do you still want to file a report [y|N|q|?]? |
| 14:29.12 | crabman | How is this possible? |
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| 14:32.04 | val_erie | ChrisH, so, if I make one LV per VM, I need to mount each logical volume? |
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| 14:35.43 | ChrisH | val_erie: I cannot answer that question as I never uses KVM. |
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| 14:37.08 | val_erie | ChrisH, , ok, thanks, I think I will make one LV for all Vms since I want to use qcow in VMs |
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| 14:42.27 | Monotoko | how would I go about upgrading one package + dependacies from Jessie? |
| 14:42.39 | Monotoko | considering the server is on Debian 6 atm... |
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| 14:43.39 | Monotoko | oh okay, could use Debian 7's version by the looks of it |
| 14:43.47 | themill | Monotoko: don't mix releases... |
| 14:43.53 | LordDeath | which systeminfo tool is that in the right top corner? https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Yv2Z5K_7j3Y/Ui10ksWH2aI/AAAAAAAADKI/Za5gPe8CBNM/w1144-h715-no/2013-09-09-085555_1440x900_scrot.png |
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| 14:44.05 | Monotoko | themill: okay, so what's the way to do this? Other than upgrade the entire thing? |
| 14:44.14 | Monotoko | I just need a more recent version of Apache2 |
| 14:44.41 | themill | Upgrade to wheezy |
| 14:44.53 | kimda | hi where can i fnd a list with compatible hardware for debian? |
| 14:45.20 | Monotoko | themill: I feared you would say that |
| 14:46.13 | kimda | i want to but the hp 361T - Intel I350 chipset ethernet controller. I am running squeeze with backport kernel. |
| 14:46.26 | themill | Monotoko: at the point where you're prepared to start screwing around with apache versions, there can't be much holding you back from upgrading |
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| 14:47.42 | jelly | kimda: part number for a hp proliant? it will probably work. Can you find out its pci-id? |
| 14:48.19 | kimda | http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14334_na/14334_na.pdf this is the card |
| 14:49.00 | Monotoko | themill: Nah I guess I will just have to do it, I've only been on the job here for a few months and don't really want to break anything with a distro upgrade |
| 14:50.02 | themill | you could test it out in a vm first |
| 14:50.12 | jhutchins | Monotoko: You have a much lower risk of breaking things by upgrading to a stable release than by mixing releases. |
| 14:50.43 | jhutchins | Monotoko: Besides, where's your test environment? You wouldn't try this on a production server without tetsting it first. |
| 14:51.04 | jhutchins | ... as themill essentially said... |
| 14:51.06 | ChrisH | Monotoko: standard Question, why do you think you need a newer version? |
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| 14:51.46 | crabman | How do I access dmesg from previous session? |
| 14:52.05 | jelly | kimda: find out the pci id number somehow (google is your friend), then we can look up the support |
| 14:52.12 | ChrisH | crabman: ls -rtl /var/log/dmesg* |
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| 14:52.31 | Monotoko | ChrisH: Security Metrics have said we need to upgrade to be PCI compliant |
| 14:52.32 | ChrisH | but that is dmesg right after boot |
| 14:52.57 | Monotoko | jhutchins: It's all in the cloud, so I will take a snapshot, upgrade that, then switch the IP addresses |
| 14:53.29 | themill | Monotoko: ahh... PCI compliance is another thing entirely (but you might like to upgrade to the latest stable release in any case) |
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| 14:53.41 | themill | !pci compliance |
| 14:53.42 | dpkg | Auditors for Payment Card Industry (PCI) compliance often just check version numbers. Debian carefully backports security fixes so you must convince your auditor that the version number does not tell all. Check the specific CVEs they are interested in and ask me about <tracker of doom> to confirm they are fixed. Also ask me about <security backports>. You should be able to convince them their version number tests are "false positives". |
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| 14:53.55 | crabman | ChrisH: ty |
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| 14:54.45 | Monotoko | themill: hmmm, probably easier to upgrade than convince them - but yeah no point in staying on Debian 6 really. |
| 14:54.59 | Monotoko | I knew it would have to be done at some point |
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| 14:55.27 | ChrisH | Monotoko: you will have to discuss with them later. Debian will backport securoity fixes not upgrade version numbers |
| 14:55.43 | themill | Monotoko: they'll quite possibly complain about wheezy in the same way either now or soon enough |
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| 14:56.22 | Monotoko | themill: They're happy as long as the version is above .14 - I will take it up with them later |
| 14:56.34 | Monotoko | next time something like that comes up |
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| 14:57.18 | kimda | jelly, i will try to find out |
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| 15:00.42 | kimda | jelly, http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/8086/1521/103c339e I found this page |
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| 15:01.22 | kimda | jelly, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1521 |
| 15:01.55 | kimda | jelly, do you think this will work with squeeze and backport kernel? |
| 15:02.08 | jelly | kimda: thus, it's supposed to work with squeeze-backports 3.2.46 |
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| 15:02.33 | kimda | jelly, thank you very very much for your help, |
| 15:02.44 | jelly | kimda: well, historically I've had good experience with proliant parts |
| 15:02.53 | jelly | YMMV |
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| 15:03.04 | kimda | jelly, yeah me too but this network card is giving me headaches |
| 15:03.12 | kimda | the one currently in the machine |
| 15:03.33 | jelly | onboard or an extra? |
| 15:03.43 | kimda | BCM5719, dropping network connections. tried building new module still the same problems |
| 15:03.59 | kimda | it was delivered with the server |
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| 15:04.38 | kimda | the weird thing is that it dropped the eth connection but the bridge port to the kvm image was still accessible |
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| 15:27.33 | asduk | is anyone has already had a problem with the ndicwrapper ?? |
| 15:28.51 | somiaj | asduk: what device do you have that needs that, most I see people use do not require ndiswrapper anymore |
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| 15:29.29 | somiaj | asduk: please don't message me and answer in the room |
| 15:29.37 | asduk | ok, sorry |
| 15:29.42 | somiaj | and of course it is your wifi card? What card? lspci -vv |
| 15:29.45 | Monotoko | ssh monotoko@monotoko.co.uk |
| 15:29.47 | somiaj | what chipset mostly |
| 15:29.49 | Monotoko | ... |
| 15:29.50 | Monotoko | sorry |
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| 15:29.58 | somiaj | Monotoko: please enter in your password |
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| 15:30.07 | asduk | foxconn on my k54c laptop |
| 15:30.24 | Monotoko | somiaj: I've got two terminals open, one for work and one for irssi >.< |
| 15:30.46 | asduk | no driver seems to be installed when I type wconfig |
| 15:30.49 | somiaj | asduk: lspci -vv (use that) and give me the name of the chipset |
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| 15:31.14 | asduk | my computer is rebooting right now |
| 15:31.26 | somiaj | the pciid would be useful too |
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| 15:32.31 | vrs | when I switch from xdm to a console, I have to wait something between 10 and 30 seconds |
| 15:32.42 | vrs | is that a sign of dkms not working? |
| 15:33.00 | vrs | I use an old radeon 3000 series |
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| 15:35.04 | asduk | thx, but for now my wifi-card dont seems to drop the wifi connection, its seems stable (with the windows driver) |
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| 15:47.39 | crabman | I have linux source untarred, dependencies installed and a .patch file downloaded. How do I apply it and build it? |
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| 15:48.27 | crabman | I was reading http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 15:48.39 | crabman | But I don't understand what I have to do in 4.2.2 section |
| 15:48.49 | mumpitze1 | why do you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 15:49.06 | crabman | mumpitze1: I want to apply a patch to see if it fixes freezes |
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| 15:50.01 | mumpitze1 | and which command gives you what error? |
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| 15:51.27 | crabman | It's an example of a command, I think "bash debian/bin/test-patches ../fix-bug123456.patch ../add-foo-driver.patch" |
| 15:51.38 | crabman | I don't have a debian folder in linux source folder |
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| 15:53.42 | mumpitze1 | if you don't have a debian/ folder where did you get your kernel sourece? |
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| 15:54.20 | crabman | I got it from this command: tar jxf /usr/src/linux-source-3.2.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:55.05 | mumpitze1 | and you got this tarfile how? |
| 15:55.21 | crabman | I dearchived the tar file |
| 15:55.30 | mumpitze1 | also, why haven't you tried kernel 3.10, maybe the bug has already been fixed |
| 15:55.39 | mumpitze1 | I asked where you got the tarfile, not what you did with it |
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| 15:55.58 | crabman | apt-get install linux-source-3.2 here |
| 15:55.59 | mumpitze1 | the howto and what you have are incompatible. |
| 15:56.37 | mumpitze1 | crabman: get a backports kernel instead |
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| 15:56.45 | ChrisH | crabman: try start reading the links you post here, before starting to do anything. 4.2.1 syggests something different! |
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| 15:57.39 | mumpitze1 | !tell crabman about backports |
| 15:58.08 | crabman | ChrisH: but 4.2.1 is for debian 6 |
| 15:58.46 | crabman | !tell crabman backport caveat |
| 15:59.07 | crabman | !tell crabman about backport caveat |
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| 15:59.21 | ChrisH | crabman: sorry... that happens as I did compile a kernel last time in past century :) |
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| 15:59.49 | mumpitze1 | !tell crabman about selftell |
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| 16:00.16 | crabman | I don't really know what I am doing. Someone on the bug report discussion said that the patch would probably solve the problem and gave this howto. |
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| 16:04.25 | crabman | If I am on debian 7, I need wheezy backports, right? |
| 16:04.42 | mumpitze1 | yes |
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| 16:13.14 | crabman | I have a few non-free repositories enabled. How do I prevent myself from accidentally installing something non-free without knowing that? |
| 16:14.23 | jelly | crabman: no software in main will ever depend on anything non-free |
| 16:15.11 | crabman | jelly: what if I just browse packages with synaptic or sudo apt-get install something and I don't know if it's free> |
| 16:15.15 | jelly | crabman: software in contrib might. So, doing an apt-cache policy foo before installing foo is supposed to be good enough. But then there are third-party repos which might not comply to this policy. |
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| 16:15.38 | jelly | crabman: the safest thing to do is to disable those repos |
| 16:16.42 | crabman | Is there a way to have package managers keep track of updates for only one non-free package and ignore the rest? |
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| 16:17.26 | jelly | I guess this could be hacked up using pinning, but pinning is a rather fragile feature |
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| 16:17.50 | jelly | (and I don't know how to do it without extensive play^H^H^H^Htesting first) |
| 16:17.59 | zykotick9 | crabman: one of the beauties of debian, is being able to run a free/libre system - just get rid of contrib and non-free from your sources and you don't have to worry about it. good luck. |
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| 16:18.28 | jelly | zykotick9: however, he wants free + one specific non-free bit |
| 16:18.42 | crabman | zykotick9: then I would have to worry about not having internet connection because my wifi adapter doesn't work with free drivers. |
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| 16:19.21 | zykotick9 | ahhhh, that's what happens when you jump into a converstation, without reading the backlog. sorry. |
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| 16:19.55 | thomasHorse | hi, do you know if there is any version of murmur server for debian testing? |
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| 16:22.26 | Monotoko | where can I look for more info on a dpkg error with postfix>? |
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| 16:26.43 | crabman | So I am installing a backport and it says that non-free firmware files are missing. Does that mean that I also have to update firmware-linux-nonfree from backports? |
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| 16:27.27 | jelly | crabman: indeed |
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| 16:30.30 | boudiccas | what bash command would give me an output like this please - Mon Sep 9 16:37:35 2013 ? |
| 16:31.24 | thomasHorse | boudiccas, maybe "date"? |
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| 16:31.45 | boudiccas | no, thats just ther date itself, not the time as well |
| 16:31.57 | jelly | boudiccas: incorrect |
| 16:32.15 | thomasHorse | boudiccas, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:32.44 | boudiccas | jelly; true, but when its in ascript it only gives the date, and i want it for a script |
| 16:33.10 | jelly | boudiccas: I don't think it does. In any case, you can specify the format. |
| 16:33.13 | thomasHorse | date has options that allows you to format the output |
| 16:33.34 | thomasHorse | this the default on debian: Mon Sep 9 18:31:43 CEST 2013 |
| 16:33.46 | thomasHorse | 24h |
| 16:34.22 | jelly | under a C or en_US* locale, yes |
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| 16:36.02 | boudiccas | date -R does it |
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| 16:45.33 | LtL | boudiccas: try this, modify as you wish. http://paste.debian.net/37513/ |
| 16:46.54 | boudiccas | LtL; strewtrh! think i'll stick to 'date -R' which does what i want |
| 16:47.38 | LtL | boudiccas: ok :) |
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| 16:51.16 | squidz | I would like to upgrade from jessy to sid, what exactly do I have to do to do that? |
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| 16:53.06 | socomm | squidz: there should be instructions on the web |
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| 16:53.31 | mtn | squidz: and if you can't figure it out, you shouldn't use sid ;) |
| 16:53.58 | squidz | i did a quick google but didnt search much after the first page, so I was wondering if anybody knew off the cuff if there is anything I have to be careful about |
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| 16:54.26 | squidz | mtn: that's an easy way of saying we're too lazy to answer |
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| 16:55.13 | crabman | Looks like backported kernel 3.10 I've just installed doesn't work with broadcom-sta-dkms - modprobe wl says no such module. Any way to fix that? |
| 16:55.26 | mtn | squidz: no, you need to be smart enough or you will get into a lot of trouble. |
| 16:55.41 | squidz | I was looking for tips, not to sharpen my google fu |
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| 16:56.45 | squidz | If I wanted to search though pages of google, I could do that easily to find a step by step to copy and paste, but I would rather talk about if there are things to worry about besides pointing the repositories to sid |
| 16:57.11 | mtn | squidz: searching for fixes is likely to needed using sid. nuff said. |
| 16:57.21 | mtn | be needed |
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| 16:58.40 | squidz | mtn: yes and if I was asking #debian to help me lean how to use google that would be of importance, but I am instead asking people what they think about upgrading from testing to sid. Not that a step-by-step instructional wouldn't get the job done, I just wanted more than that |
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| 17:00.44 | squidz | I think as a programmer and long time linux user(not just debian) I am fully capable of googling. But I was looking to discuss how to upgrade, and possible disadvantages etc |
| 17:01.07 | JuanDaugherty | u no aboot NixOS? |
| 17:01.49 | berarma | squidz: you're welcome to discuss why that is a bad idea |
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| 17:02.22 | squidz | so just how stable is sid in comparison to say archlinux packages? |
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| 17:02.51 | berarma | squidz: that's not measurable, things breaks in sid from time to time and sometimes there's no easy fixx |
| 17:03.11 | berarma | squidz: you have to wait or fix it yourself manually |
| 17:03.31 | berarma | squidz: have you been a long time using testing? |
| 17:03.33 | squidz | berarma: and is rolling back to earlier versions possible/easy |
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| 17:03.47 | berarma | squidz: no, that's the big drawback |
| 17:04.09 | squidz | no I just switched from arch to debian, and I noticed a lot of packages are only available on sid repositories |
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| 17:04.22 | berarma | squidz: you want to use backports |
| 17:04.29 | squidz | and I don't feel like compiling everything |
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| 17:04.38 | berarma | !ssb |
| 17:04.38 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:04.57 | somiaj | squidz: are you using this for a server or just a desktop? |
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| 17:05.16 | berarma | squidz: better sometime build something using this method than being left with an unusable system you don't know how to fix |
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| 17:05.22 | squidz | I have 19:03 < squidz> and I don't feel like compiling everything |
| 17:05.31 | cmptr | hi. what would cause "cannot open display" |
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| 17:05.59 | squidz | I have deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free in my sources, is that what you mean? |
| 17:06.10 | somiaj | cmptr: multiple things, common is a different user than who owns the xorg display trying to open something on it |
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| 17:06.35 | squidz | somiaj: desktop |
| 17:06.36 | cmptr | somiaj: im the only user but X was never set up |
| 17:06.39 | berarma | squidz: yes |
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| 17:06.49 | somiaj | cmptr: if X is not running then that is another issue |
| 17:06.53 | squidz | berarma: I am still missing packages |
| 17:07.06 | cmptr | somiaj: i type startx and i get that error |
| 17:07.12 | berarma | squidz: read the factoid and see you can build packages from sid for wheezy |
| 17:07.22 | squidz | berarma: mostly language development stuff IIRC |
| 17:07.37 | somiaj | squidz: I have used sid for 10+ years, it works okay in that once you fix all the current bugs you do have a functional system. It will break in that one week you may get no work done as you spend it fixing your broken os |
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| 17:08.08 | berarma | squidz: are you using wheezy or jessie? |
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| 17:08.16 | squidz | okay keeping testing and pulling in packages from sid seems better |
| 17:08.27 | somiaj | squidz: but if wheezy plus a few backports does not have the software you want due to the frozen/stable system, you may want to play with fire |
| 17:08.35 | factor | Does debian have a glade for gtk2 , not just for gtk3 |
| 17:08.48 | squidz | I am using jessie, but when I tried setting up my repos list, I think I couldnt figure out how to find the jessie repos |
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| 17:09.10 | somiaj | squidz: oh you are already running jessie, I personally say run sid over testing unless youplan to stablaize. I use stable (wheezy) on my work laptop because I need to get work done. I use sid on my play desktop because I like the fun and newer stuff |
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| 17:10.08 | berarma | squidz: and you want to use sid... good |
| 17:10.11 | squidz | how often can I expect to run into problems if I use sid |
| 17:10.29 | squidz | like two or three times a year? |
| 17:10.42 | squidz | with the packages that is |
| 17:10.45 | dondelelcaro | squidz: that's an unanswerable question |
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| 17:11.38 | bhundven | dondelelcaro: heh, what? you can't predict the future? :p jk |
| 17:11.41 | squidz | yeah I suppose I will just give sid a try. Since it is my home computer I like to do funstuff as well, and I think I can deal with the stability issues in case they come up |
| 17:11.42 | thomasHorse | anybody knows if there is any version of murmur server for debian testing? |
| 17:11.47 | dondelelcaro | squidz: you'll probably see minor problems once or twice a week, and major ones probably two or three times a release. How bad they are depends on how much you know, and how you track RC bugs and how often you upgrade. |
| 17:11.53 | JuanDaugherty | sid's problematic by definition |
| 17:12.10 | JuanDaugherty | use at your own risk/competence leve |
| 17:12.39 | somiaj | squidz: it really depends. The main issue is the upgrades. Once I get sid running good I sometimes go a few months without upgrading. But the upgrades tend to cause more issues because I hit them all at once. Upgrading once a day you will run across more bugs but they are usually easier to track down. |
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| 17:12.53 | Kunda | can someone explain what squeeze-backports-sloppy is ? |
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| 17:13.31 | JuanDaugherty | u dunno from sloppy? |
| 17:13.34 | squidz | alright thanks for the tips, that is what I was wanting. I think I am going to stick with testing as I need to work from this computer too. I will look into installing single packages from sid while using jessie |
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| 17:14.03 | kiccooo000oo | c |
| 17:14.07 | somiaj | squidz: but if you are already running testing, note that testing avoids the grave bugs (Since they are found in sid) but does have it's own unique problems |
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| 17:14.20 | JuanDaugherty | l |
| 17:14.28 | berarma | somiaj: he'll learn that soon |
| 17:14.42 | somiaj | squidz: reason I prefer sid over testing is testing creates its own bugs when large software groups migrate at once (think gnome/kde) and since the fixes have to come though sid, it takes 10+ days to get a fix when sid gets fixes way quicker |
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| 17:15.27 | squidz | that's a good point |
| 17:15.31 | berarma | squidz: there's several transitions going on, you'll have to look carefully when upgrading, specially if you're gonna mix with sid |
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| 17:15.48 | squidz | alright thanks for the tips guys |
| 17:15.54 | Kunda | JuanDaugherty, says: To guarantee a clean upload path from squeeze-backports to wheezy it is not allowed to upload backports from jessie to squeeze-backports. To allow new backports also in squeeze we created a new suite for everybody that prefer newer packages above a clean upgrade path: squeeze-backports-sloppy. You can use it exactly as squeeze-backports, just add another line to your sources.list and install new packages via |
| 17:15.55 | Kunda | apt-get -t squeeze-backports-sloppy install |
| 17:16.21 | Kunda | the paragraph thoroughly confuses me |
| 17:16.49 | rryoumaa | apt-listbugs should help |
| 17:17.12 | berarma | Kunda: squeeze-backports-sloppy has backports from jessie, thus they don't provide a clean upgrading path to wheezy |
| 17:17.20 | zhr0 | i´m gonna download the debians again just to save the linux |
| 17:17.23 | rryoumaa | i have a question about that though. does apt-listbugs show bugs that affect the suite you are using? for example, if you are running wheezy, does apt-listbugs show bugs that only affect wheezy? |
| 17:17.28 | JuanDaugherty | Kunda, k. I'm not using jessie, just squeeze and wheezy, if it's not in the standard distro, I prefer go the original package. |
| 17:17.42 | JuanDaugherty | and even if it is when I have to in cases like jboss |
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| 17:18.11 | JuanDaugherty | I would never use x-sloppy-anything without some very special reason |
| 17:18.36 | somiaj | JuanDaugherty: at one point you should consider upgrading to wheezy (within 6 months), so if you decide you need a newer backport than in squeeze-backports, probabaly better to upgrade and use wheezy-backports within whezy instaed |
| 17:19.02 | JuanDaugherty | somiaj, I'm running all new hosts on wheezy |
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| 17:19.46 | somiaj | JuanDaugherty: got my nics messed up, though you were asking about the sloppy backports (: |
| 17:19.54 | JuanDaugherty | i don't use backports, or rather have but don't generally/now |
| 17:19.59 | somiaj | so that was ment to be Kunda |
| 17:20.09 | JuanDaugherty | no, that was Kunda I thik |
| 17:20.12 | JuanDaugherty | *think |
| 17:20.20 | Kunda | berarma, what does 'they don't provide a clean upgrading path to wheezy'. That if one was to do a apt-get dist-upgrade that it would fail if one install packages from squeeze-backports-sloppy ? |
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| 17:20.43 | somiaj | Kunda: more like 'may' fail. There is no testing to ensure a clean upgrade. |
| 17:20.51 | somiaj | Kunda: also since the version is newer than in wheezy it woulnt get upgraded |
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| 17:21.23 | Kunda | hence "sloppy" |
| 17:21.24 | Kunda | ok |
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| 17:22.40 | Kunda | in theory though, if one was to install packages from squeeze-backports then eventually do a dist-upgrage that it would work, right ? |
| 17:22.47 | d[^_^]b | a full reinstall is best when doing a major upgrade |
| 17:22.53 | Kunda | (dist-upgrade to wheezy of course) |
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| 17:23.15 | berarma | Kunda: yes, because they would be older versions of the same packages |
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| 17:23.20 | Kunda | d[^_^]b: you meean from scratch ? |
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| 17:23.59 | Freq | somiaj: the issue was that i did not have xorg installed |
| 17:24.00 | berarma | Kunda: from squeeze-backports to wheezy you're updgrading packages, from squeeze-backports-sloppy to wheezy you'd had to downgrade packages and that's not supported |
| 17:24.06 | Freq | :D o/ |
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| 17:24.26 | Kunda | berarma, got it, thanks for saying it several different ways for me to understand :) |
| 17:24.39 | berarma | Kunda: you're welcomed |
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| 17:25.09 | SerajewelKS | are there any SIP proxies in debian that support some kind of voicemail if i am unavailable or do not pick up? would prefer something lighter and not as complex as asterisk, if possible.. |
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| 17:27.17 | ExeciN | I am trying to set up sgfxi, I've installed libc and kernel headers however the script still fails. How should I proceed? (the error is on line 201) http://pastebin.com/w31Lh9Ay |
| 17:27.18 | Kunda | So, here's my issue. I have a linode VPS running squeeze. I'm wanting to install wheezy. Do i lease another linode and vanilla install wheezy on it then transfer the config files from the squeeze linode ? |
| 17:28.18 | ExeciN | I forgot to metion that I am using a fresh installation of 7.1 (unofficial + firmware) |
| 17:28.19 | sidus | hi folks what's the preferred way to build an initrd image file without packaging? is there a custom debian utility for it like archlinux guys have? or is it good to just mkinitramfs? |
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| 17:39.54 | Wanaoishi | Hi all |
| 17:40.03 | Wanaoishi | I have a problem with iptables on debian |
| 17:40.07 | SerajewelKS | Kunda: if downtime is acceptable, just take a backup and then do the upgrade in-place |
| 17:40.17 | Wanaoishi | I have a routing in a file iptables.save |
| 17:40.31 | Wanaoishi | when I do iptables.restore < iptables.save |
| 17:40.37 | Wanaoishi | and iptables --list |
| 17:40.42 | Wanaoishi | the list is emplty. |
| 17:41.21 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: if the saved file touches a different table than FILTER, then you need "-T tablename" too |
| 17:41.50 | SerajewelKS | sorry, filter not FILTER |
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| 17:42.26 | SerajewelKS | ugh, -t not -T |
| 17:42.33 | Wanaoishi | where could I put the file that yu could see it |
| 17:42.43 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: "iptables --list" is equivalent to "iptables -t filter --list" |
| 17:42.46 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: pastebin.com |
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| 17:43.37 | Cylta | Hello, where i can download biggest possible distributive (with all drivers and X) for ARM Cortex-A8 , hard floating point? preferably based on debian. |
| 17:44.39 | SerajewelKS | Cylta: how about debian? |
| 17:44.53 | Cylta | I can't find debian for arm.. |
| 17:44.53 | Wanaoishi | SerajewelKS http://pastebin.com/jJKTdixP |
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| 17:45.20 | socomm | Wanaoishi: iptables-restore |
| 17:45.28 | socomm | Wanaoishi: not iptabels.restore |
| 17:45.51 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: all rules in that file are in the nat table |
| 17:45.56 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: iptables -t nat --list |
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| 17:46.51 | SerajewelKS | Cylta: there's armel and armhf distributions of debian |
| 17:47.05 | Wanaoishi | Ok I see the rules > http://pastebin.com/w6SVy8qJ |
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| 17:47.14 | Cylta | SerajewelKS: okay, thanks, will try armhf. |
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| 17:47.31 | Wanaoishi | Then I don't understand why I can't access my mail server on port 25 |
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| 17:48.49 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: your ISP may block inbound SMTP |
| 17:49.05 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: confirm with a packet sniffer that port 25 traffic even reaches the box |
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| 17:50.02 | Wanaoishi | it's reach |
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| 17:50.32 | Wanaoishi | it's a dedicated server and when I send from an other server to this one an email on some emails |
| 17:50.42 | grobda24 | When the installer asks for missing non-free firmware, can I replace the install CD with a Cd with the firmware on it ? |
| 17:50.57 | Wanaoishi | He doesn't received them and then when I look at the log on the sender it's say disconnect |
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| 17:51.48 | SerajewelKS | Wanaoishi: you will have to use a packet sniffer on the box running iptables as well as the DNAT target to see where the communication is breaking down |
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| 17:53.06 | socomm | Wanaoishi: check port 25 accessability from an internal host |
| 17:53.07 | jdoles | How can I configure /etc/fstab depending on environmental conditions? |
| 17:53.16 | socomm | Wanaoishi: like SerajewelKS said port 25 might be blocked by your ISP or router |
| 17:53.27 | socomm | jdoles: wat are you trying to accomplish |
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| 17:54.08 | jdoles | socomm: if some system with a particular mac address is available, then I want to mount a directory, and otherwise, not. |
| 17:54.20 | jdoles | socomm: additionally, I want that mount -a keeps working. |
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| 17:55.12 | socomm | jdoles: you'll probably need to write a wrapper script to accomplish just what you outlined AFAIK mount does not have this out of the box |
| 17:55.23 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: should probably mark it as noauto and mount from some other initscript instead (rc.local would be easiest, if the volume is not required by any services) |
| 17:55.51 | jdoles | SerajewelKS: but then mount -a doesn't really work anymore. |
| 17:55.55 | socomm | jdoles: script do sanity checking - if host up then this or that - and have it generate the /etc/fstab file and then mount your storage devices |
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| 17:56.31 | jdoles | socomm: ideally I would also like it to automatically remove the lines when the condition isn't true anymore. |
| 17:56.33 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: well this isn't really something mount is designed to do. it's designed to mount filesystems not ping ethernet hosts. |
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| 17:57.01 | jdoles | Anyway, this is the kind of functionality I think one should expect from a modern operating system. |
| 17:57.05 | socomm | jdoles: you're only going to mount once, and thats at boot |
| 17:57.12 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: so what you really want is some daemon to monitor the availability of this host |
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| 17:57.22 | socomm | jdoles: unless you cron a script to add/remove mount points at different intervals of the day |
| 17:57.24 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: and mount/unmount |
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| 17:57.50 | jdoles | SerajewelKS: what I really want is that when a connection times out for this particular device, that it runs a script. |
| 17:57.58 | jdoles | SerajewelKS: so, it should run on demand, no polling. |
| 17:58.10 | SerajewelKS | "this is the kind of functionality I think one should expect from a modern operating system" <-- i don't know of any OS that does this w/rt availability of ethernet hosts |
| 17:58.16 | socomm | jdoles: how are you going to know it timesout unless you pole? |
| 17:58.20 | jdoles | SerajewelKS: that's why it's called modern. |
| 17:58.31 | g105b | Where are the default mimetypes stored for file extensions? |
| 17:58.33 | socomm | s/pole/poll |
| 17:58.44 | jdoles | socomm: polling is repeatedly trying. |
| 17:58.52 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: so no operating system that exists today is modern, because it does not have this particular feature? |
| 17:59.00 | socomm | SerajewelKS: duh |
| 17:59.04 | bhundven | hehe |
| 17:59.09 | jdoles | socomm: the plain TCP/IP connect stuff will at some point say it doesn't connect. |
| 17:59.29 | socomm | jdoles: right, how are you going to accomplish this? |
| 17:59.32 | socomm | FAM? |
| 17:59.43 | jdoles | socomm: that was the question I want you to answer. |
| 17:59.43 | bhundven | nagios maybe? |
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| 18:00.07 | socomm | NAGIOS could do this but it will poll at given intervals |
| 18:00.17 | jelly-home | jdoles: accept the OS is a platform. Work around or implement and submit the missing features, or use an OS that has the stuff you need. |
| 18:00.20 | jdoles | socomm: if Debian was totally mine, I would write an extended standard for this stuff. |
| 18:00.44 | bhundven | jdoles: it's open source... go for it :) |
| 18:00.50 | socomm | jdoles: its your baby, thats the beauty of OSS |
| 18:01.01 | MaTachi | How do I know if I'm running debian testing or sid? |
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| 18:01.03 | jelly-home | jdoles: write the missing stuff and submit patches for init scripts that do mount -a. |
| 18:01.22 | socomm | MaTachi: /etc/debian-version |
| 18:01.22 | jelly-home | jdoles: Debian is made by volunteers. You can be one. |
| 18:01.28 | jdoles | jelly-home: and you think such extensions will ever be accepted? |
| 18:01.28 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: this feature doesn't exist because nobody apparently needs it enough to add support |
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| 18:01.44 | MaTachi | socomm: it says jessie/sid |
| 18:01.49 | jelly-home | jdoles: stranger things have happened. |
| 18:01.54 | MaTachi | socomm: isn't jessie supposed to be testing? |
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| 18:02.06 | SerajewelKS | jdoles: reacting to network errors would have to be something the filesystem driver supports. this may mean userspace (for FUSE stuff) or kernel. |
| 18:02.20 | socomm | MaTachi: not sure, someone else can confirm |
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| 18:02.34 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: it's "jessie/sid" because there is no way to distinguish the two |
| 18:02.38 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: read "/" as "or" |
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| 18:03.24 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: the debian docs made i sound like it was 3 distinct versions. stable, testing and sid |
| 18:03.47 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: testing is a version of sid that is slightly behind. it's cutting-edge but not bleeding-edge. |
| 18:04.18 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: But then they are 2 different versions, right? Am I running testing or sid then? :P |
| 18:04.23 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: severe enough bugs will keep a package from migrating sid -> testing. otherwise it will migrate after some number of days depending on the criticality of the most recent change made to it. |
| 18:04.25 | jdoles | If people don't complain for two weeks or so, it goes to testing. |
| 18:04.28 | socomm | MaTachi: you can check your /etc/apt/sources.list - this will tell you what version you're pulling in |
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| 18:04.36 | SerajewelKS | most recent changes* |
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| 18:05.03 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: they are not so much two different versions, as two different stability experiences for the same version |
| 18:05.18 | MaTachi | socomm: In my sources.list file I have a few jessie sources |
| 18:05.28 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: sid has the newest stuff. testing has the newest stuff without release-critical bugs. |
| 18:06.06 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: everything in testing is moved to stable when a release is made (about once every two years) |
| 18:06.23 | MaTachi | Yes, and I want to run testing/jessie. But it seems like I'm running unstable/sid |
| 18:06.38 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: it's not "testing/jessie" |
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| 18:06.47 | MaTachi | If i type lsb_release -a it says unstable and sid |
| 18:06.51 | SerajewelKS | testing -> jessie, and unstable -> sid |
| 18:06.55 | socomm | MaTachi: cool |
| 18:07.10 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: /etc/debian_version displays "jessie/sid" on both testing AND sid |
| 18:07.32 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: ah, but how do I know which one I'm running? |
| 18:07.48 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: you can't be sure, but you can look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:07.54 | MaTachi | lsb_release -a seems to suggest that I'm running unstable sid |
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| 18:08.24 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: it's impossible to know if you are running testing packages or sid packages without comparing the version number of each and every package you have installed |
| 18:08.29 | MaTachi | sources.list have a couple of lines with `deb http://... jessie main` |
| 18:08.44 | jelly-home | MaTachi: also, "apt-cachr policy" shows a parsed view of the repos configured in /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 18:09.00 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: then you are probably running jessie |
| 18:09.15 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: you may have some packages from sid and not jessie depending on what actions you took in the past |
| 18:09.55 | jelly-home | sorry, "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:09.57 | MaTachi | apt-cache policy I think suggests that I'm pulling some pks from both jessie and unstable |
| 18:10.24 | jelly-home | then that's what you're doing or have been doing before the last apt-get update |
| 18:11.25 | MaTachi | http://pastebin.com/McGJZqnG here is the output from apt-cache policy |
| 18:11.42 | SerajewelKS | of course if this is a production box then you shouldn't be using jessie or sid anyway |
| 18:12.17 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: then unless you have configured pinning, you are running sid |
| 18:12.23 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: No, it's just my laptop. But I intended to install Jessie on it because I don't want to have the very bleeding edge. But I'm unsure what I really have :P |
| 18:12.27 | SerajewelKS | and it doesn't seem so |
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| 18:12.47 | jelly-home | MaTachi: you have both sid unstable and jessie mirrors enabled. The effect is you'll be pulling the packages with the newer version wherever they be, which almost always means "unstable" |
| 18:12.57 | jelly-home | sid=unstable |
| 18:13.00 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: if you disable the sid sources and "apt-get update" then you will be running jessie after some number of weeks >= 2 |
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| 18:13.07 | jelly-home | MaTachi: so, you're running unstable |
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| 18:13.26 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: but there are no sid sources in my sources.list file |
| 18:13.33 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: there are unstable sources |
| 18:13.38 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: unstable is an alias for sid |
| 18:13.44 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: testing is an alias for jessie |
| 18:13.54 | jelly-home | MaTachi: also check the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 18:14.29 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: the difference between testing and jessie is that jessie will always be jessie. when jessie releases as stable, jessie will still be jessie. but testing will then become an alias for whatever the next release is. |
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| 18:14.40 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: unstable is a permanent alias for sid |
| 18:14.50 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: unstable means sid and sid means unstable, forever |
| 18:15.09 | MaTachi | Seems like I messed up when I added a newer source for iceweasel |
| 18:15.33 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: possibly. if you did not upgrade or dist-upgrade then your box is probably in some half-jessie-half-sid state |
| 18:15.43 | MaTachi | I added `cdn.debian.net/debian unstable` when I intended to only add iceweasel :P |
| 18:15.46 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: which is what i meant earlier by "you can't tell if a box is testing or unstable" |
| 18:15.58 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: okey |
| 18:16.02 | MaTachi | confusing :D |
| 18:16.09 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: anything you have installed since then has been from sid, and potentially upgraded other stuff on your system too |
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| 18:16.32 | MaTachi | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:16.38 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: but as i said, if you remove the unstable lines and "apt-get update" then after N weeks where N >= 2, you will be running jessie again |
| 18:16.57 | MaTachi | http://mozilla.debian.net/ says I should add `deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian unstable main` to get latest ice weasel on testing/jessie |
| 18:17.06 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: cool |
| 18:17.22 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: except for all the broken stuff that doesn't fall into testing for some reason |
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| 18:17.42 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: right, N might be positive infinity |
| 18:17.52 | jelly-home | !not available |
| 18:17.53 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 18:18.13 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: those instructions should have told you how to pin |
| 18:18.19 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: that is a defect of those instructions :( |
| 18:18.31 | jelly-home | !be a pinning barbie |
| 18:18.31 | dpkg | Aww, pinning is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
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| 18:18.38 | GNU\colossus | lol |
| 18:18.40 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're right |
| 18:18.40 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jelly-home |
| 18:19.16 | jelly-home | pinning is a feature best avoided in polite company |
| 18:19.21 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: when possible always use release names (wheezy, jessie, sid) and not aliases (stable, testing, unstable) |
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| 18:19.31 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: yeah, ok |
| 18:19.34 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: this gives you 100% control of which release you are on, even after a release |
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| 18:19.51 | MaTachi | cool |
| 18:20.20 | SerajewelKS | i ran testing on my desktop for a long time. i found that it's really not worth it in most cases. |
| 18:20.26 | SerajewelKS | stable with backports is a better experience |
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| 18:20.36 | MaTachi | But I don't think I have upgraded my system yet. I uncommented the line that added the unstable source, but apt-cache policy still says it's there |
| 18:20.41 | SerajewelKS | unless there is something in testing and not backported that you absolutely need, and cannot backport yourself |
| 18:20.49 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: you need to "apt-get update" |
| 18:21.07 | bhundven | SerajewelKS: I think that what version you use is also a user preference (comfort level) |
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| 18:21.56 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: yeah, i did an update, but it's still there |
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| 18:22.23 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: there were three lines mentioning unstable, did you remove them all? |
| 18:22.27 | bhundven | SerajewelKS: I used sid for a long time as my personal desktop (not for work ;) ) and sure, things broke. but I was comfortable reading bugs rebuilding packages from source, etc... |
| 18:22.49 | MaTachi | eh, i know what i did wrong. I opened the file with the source without sudo. So I never saved it... |
| 18:22.56 | MaTachi | sry |
| 18:23.02 | SerajewelKS | bhundven: agree to a point. testing helped me learn a lot about debian package management. i still have the expertise but no longer have the time to dick around with it. ;) |
| 18:23.13 | bhundven | hehe :) |
| 18:23.19 | bhundven | same |
| 18:23.31 | SerajewelKS | back in college before i had a job and a family and a house, it was a different story |
| 18:23.37 | SerajewelKS | now i need my shit to work ;) |
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| 18:24.12 | MaTachi | :D |
| 18:24.14 | bhundven | i did prefice with: I used sid for a long time... keyword (used) |
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| 18:24.41 | SerajewelKS | yup. nowadays i try backports first. if not there, try backporting myself. if that doesn't work, i either make do or use debootstrap+chroot |
| 18:24.57 | SerajewelKS | or a VM |
| 18:25.01 | MaTachi | yey, I'm on Jessie again :D |
| 18:25.11 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: no, you're on a hybrid ;) |
| 18:25.18 | SerajewelKS | that may at some future point become jessie |
| 18:25.28 | jelly-home | MaTachi: only if !not available says all the packages are in the clear! |
| 18:25.28 | MaTachi | lsb_release -a does at least say jessie now :) |
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| 18:25.42 | jelly-home | also, |
| 18:25.44 | jelly-home | !obsolete |
| 18:25.44 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
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| 18:26.05 | jelly-home | (but that's less likely) |
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| 18:27.26 | MaTachi | I ran aptitude search ~o and it only seems like I managed to upgrade Ice Weasel and nothing else |
| 18:27.35 | MaTachi | :) |
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| 18:28.21 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: then you are probably fine leaving that at the unstable version, if it's working for you |
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| 18:28.51 | MaTachi | If I'm not too annoying. During the installation of Debian there was a nice GUI for picking a source for source.list, like what country and etc. Is it possible to find those source suggestions again somehow? |
| 18:29.00 | SerajewelKS | if libc had been upgraded in the process then odds are half of your system would be sid |
| 18:29.21 | SerajewelKS | !mirrors |
| 18:29.21 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:29.23 | SerajewelKS | ^^^ |
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| 18:29.42 | MaTachi | SerajewelKS: I'm 99 % sure I only added the unstable source, upgraded/reinstalled iceweasel and nothing more |
| 18:30.00 | SerajewelKS | MaTachi: yeah as long as that upgrade didn't pull in any other upgrades, you should be fine |
| 18:30.15 | MaTachi | ah, thnx for that mirror list |
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| 18:32.34 | MaTachi | upgrade runs a lot faster now with se.debian.org instead of us.debian.org |
| 18:32.41 | MaTachi | :) |
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| 18:34.41 | MaTachi | thnx so much for your help |
| 18:35.11 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 18:42.24 | pkkm | I have a dump of whole disk (dd if=/dev/sdb of=dump.img). how to mount a partition from it? |
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| 18:43.48 | tvm_ | pkkm: something like mount dump.img /mnt/blah -o loop -t yourfs should do |
| 18:44.02 | gnarface | pkkm: http://blog.2of1.org/2010/07/29/mounting-an-image-with-multiple-partitions/ |
| 18:44.34 | gnarface | pkkm: there are a couple variations on the approach |
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| 18:48.16 | pkkm | thanks, works very well. |
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| 18:52.46 | gnarface | pkkm: no problem |
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| 19:16.02 | crabman | How do I upgrade from stable to testing but leave a possibility to rollback if everything is bad? |
| 19:16.23 | dondelelcaro | crabman: you can't, really. |
| 19:16.29 | tiny | Seem I'm having some difficulties adding postfix to start up after boot: http://dpaste.com/1372430/ |
| 19:16.48 | d[^_^]b | crabman: use a snapshotting rootfs like zfs or ugh, btrfs |
| 19:17.09 | d[^_^]b | crabman: iirc there was development of rollback into apt but i don't know where it is or what the status is |
| 19:17.09 | tiny | I'm on wheezy, what init service should I use? |
| 19:19.04 | ompaul | tiny: service food start / stop / restart status or whatever the tool supports that one or init 1 being single 2-5 being debian the same "Run Debian Run ... " screamed Forrest and 6 reboot and 0 Stop me now |
| 19:19.15 | ompaul | s/food/foo |
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| 19:20.23 | tiny | bitchslaps ompaul |
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| 19:21.34 | ompaul | tiny: that was so nice, I guess I won't ask for "I missed your paste but then I auto filtered it cos oh it wasn't http://paste.debian.net and thus missed your point" oh well |
| 19:22.11 | tiny | offers ompaul a cookie |
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| 19:23.30 | tiny | so is there any good alternative for sysv-rc on debian? |
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| 19:24.01 | jelly-home | tiny: what are you missing? |
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| 19:24.24 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 19:24.55 | tiny | jelly-home: just some basic functionality. Like adding script to runlevel. postfix in this case |
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| 19:25.04 | Azrael_- | i try to get a network running but ran into a strange error-message. here is the config and error-message: http://pastebin.com/VLNaN3GN (message: Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "/255.255.255.0" is a garbage.) can you give me a hint? |
| 19:25.06 | scame | hi! |
| 19:26.04 | jelly-home | tiny: if update-rc.d is too weird for you, try sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:26.07 | Krugger | tiny: you mean something like update-rc.d add |
| 19:27.08 | tiny | yeah, tried both, no joy |
| 19:28.42 | Krugger | tiny: what do you mean no joy? didn't the symlinks get created? |
| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | tiny: how does "update-rc.d postfix defaults" fail for you? Please pastebin the output of "ls -ld /etc/rc?.d/???postfix" before and after the command, and its output. |
| 19:29.08 | somiaj | tiny: strange postfix was not set to startup by default after you installed. and as jelly-home said, 'update-rc.d postfix defaults' should be enough |
| 19:29.30 | tiny | http://dpaste.com/1372448/ |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | somiaj: I suspect tiny's done some creative purging and reinstalling again |
| 19:29.42 | tiny | yes, something's weird |
| 19:29.49 | tiny | heh |
| 19:30.05 | tiny | no I upgraded to wheezy |
| 19:30.14 | ompaul | and rebooted after? |
| 19:30.17 | tiny | sure |
| 19:30.18 | somiaj | most of what you got were warnings, the defaults hsould be fine |
| 19:30.20 | jelly-home | waits for the output asked for |
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| 19:31.16 | belak | Hi, I've set up ldap before, but I've had issues with it before that could be solved by using RFC 2307bis... is there any tutorial on how to set that up on debian in stead of the default setup? |
| 19:31.47 | tiny | jelly-home: it fails, no startup symlinks |
| 19:31.49 | tiny | http://dpaste.com/1372459/ |
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| 19:34.20 | TBJoe | when using "apt-get install -t wheezy-backports iceweasel" it tells me that I already have the newest version. (17 is installed). What am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:37.42 | jelly-home | tiny: and the rest? |
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| 19:38.13 | jelly-home | tiny: while you add the rest I asked, add ls -ld /etc/init.d/postfix* as well |
| 19:38.38 | tiny | jelly-home: sorry, 1 sec |
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| 19:39.10 | babilen | TBJoe: Why do you expect something else? Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 19:39.10 | scame | please do not use wheezy or wheezy-backports |
| 19:39.17 | tiny | jelly-home: only kill symlinks: http://dpaste.com/1372472/ |
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| 19:40.03 | gusnan | scame, why do you say that? |
| 19:40.20 | TBJoe | babilen: I expect it because I thought backports are there to provide newer versions? for example 20+? scame: what, why? |
| 19:40.21 | tiny | how do I check package integrity? debsums didn't show anything |
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| 19:41.24 | TBJoe | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/37584/ |
| 19:41.43 | gusnan | TBJoe, nothing newer seems to be packaged in backports... However I believe we'll get the latest iceweasel through security updates, see http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2699 |
| 19:41.45 | babilen | TBJoe: There is no iceweasel version in the official (i.e. backports) wheezy-backports, but 17.* is in wheezy-security. If you want other versions you have to grab them from http://mozilla.debian.net which offers release, ESR, beta and aurora channels. |
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| 19:42.25 | scame | @gusnan @TBJoe is a joke ;) .. however sid is much more stable than you think |
| 19:42.35 | TBJoe | ok thank you, I am new to debian (and only have a little bit experience with linux) so its all still a bit confusing |
| 19:42.42 | babilen | gusnan: wheezy-security comes with the latest ESR (17), but AFAIK TBJoe (s)he wants an even newer release than that. http://mozilla.debian.net is the right place for that. |
| 19:43.01 | TBJoe | ok so I should simply add mozilla.debian.net to my sources.list? |
| 19:43.06 | babilen | scame: sid is, by definition, not stable and please do not insult people here. |
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| 19:43.30 | babilen | TBJoe: Just select what you want and follow the instructions on http://mozilla.debian.net - Ask if something is unclear. |
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| 19:44.17 | TBJoe | ah okay I didn't look at that page, looks like it is very easy |
| 19:44.45 | gusnan | babilen, oh - thanks. My personal opinion is that people should be satisfied with the ESR branch of firefox, which it looks like you'll get through the security repo. |
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| 19:45.45 | scame | @babilen sorry |
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| 19:46.13 | babilen | gusnan: sure, but a lot of people think that version 21 of FF/IW is unacceptable if 22 has been released. That mozilla's release schedule is, well, unorthodox is another topic ;) |
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| 19:46.56 | gusnan | babilen, :) yeah, that is indeed true... |
| 19:47.04 | sioux_ | hi guys, i install squid with source package. i need unistall. How can i do this? |
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| 19:47.14 | TBJoe | okay so here is another problem: I have another HDD with 2 partitions (both ntfs). I can use one of them without any problems but the other one can't be mounted: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 12: Failed to read last sector (1638944767): Invalid argument |
| 19:47.17 | babilen | scame: But seriously, this is the support channel for users of Debian and, in particular, its stable release (wheezy) -- Please keep that in mind when you provide support here. If you want to help people with testing/unstable then join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:47.50 | scame | okay, tnx @babilen |
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| 19:48.12 | babilen | sioux_: Could you provide more details on what you mean by "install squid with source package" ? |
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| 19:48.27 | jhutchins | sioux_: 1) Pray that the make file has an uninstall target, make uninstall. 2) Look at the install record you created with tee and un-do it step-by-step. 3) Read the make file and see what the install target did, undo that step-by-step. 4)Reinstall the system. |
| 19:48.33 | scame | hi |
| 19:48.54 | jhutchins | sioux_: Oh, 4a) Restore your backup. |
| 19:51.52 | nonconvergent | Yallo. |
| 19:51.57 | jelly-home | tiny: I suspect your postfix init script is customized to some extent |
| 19:52.30 | sioux_ | jhutchins thanks ma :D |
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| 19:52.39 | sioux_ | jhutchins thanks man :D |
| 19:52.58 | jelly-home | can I watch some more tv, jhutchins |
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| 19:53.41 | tiny | jelly-home: it might be, I haven't touched it though. I just tried with "enable" parameter and it looks like it worked. |
| 19:53.57 | tiny | jelly-home: enable parameter to update-rc.d |
| 19:54.54 | tiny | jelly-home: I now also have start symlinks |
| 19:55.08 | tiny | ah the joys of linucks :D |
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| 19:56.03 | babilen | sioux_: ping? |
| 19:56.46 | tiny | jelly-home: any ideas how to check if init script is changed? |
| 19:58.01 | jhutchins | tiny: reboot and see if it starts. |
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| 20:02.04 | tiny | jhutchins: will def. do a reboot test, just need to sort some other things out first. |
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| 20:03.05 | vlt | Hello. I need a little help compiling a program on Debian 7.1. I cloned the git and there's a Makefile. I run make but get errors. I try to _guess_ what pkg to install and repeat. Is there any better way doing it? For example, which pkg might be missing when I get "Package gstreamer-video-0.10 was not found in the pkg-config search path."? |
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| 20:06.04 | jelly-home | tiny: ls -ld /etc/init.d/postfix* might be a start |
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| 20:19.02 | flan | Can anyone point me to the right channel for questions about packaging? |
| 20:19.19 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 20:19.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 20:19.36 | flan | Thank you! |
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| 20:24.56 | EneasM | Hi |
| 20:25.35 | EneasM | When I run vnc4server :0, it doesn't display on the screen |
| 20:25.47 | EneasM | but in the xstartup file, I have gnome-session& |
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| 20:29.07 | twostone | put a space in between. |
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| 20:32.42 | pupil | hello, Good morning |
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| 20:33.26 | musca | Morning pupil |
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| 20:36.04 | TBjoe | mh compared to windows the writing (for example texts in the browser) look a bit worse ... it's like when you have no graphics card driver installed on windows. is there a way to improve it? |
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| 20:36.50 | nvz | TBjoe: probably a font issue you can install ms truetype fonts I believe |
| 20:37.05 | nvz | TBjoe: what kinda graphics card do you have? |
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| 20:37.24 | TBjoe | nvidea geforce 570 gtx |
| 20:37.33 | nvz | could also be antialiasing.. who knows |
| 20:37.47 | nvz | TBjoe: and did you install any drivers or are you just using what it instlled for you? |
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| 20:38.13 | TBjoe | I didn't install anything, so I guess its the nouveau driver |
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| 20:38.51 | nvz | TBjoe: yeah.. I highly recommend nvidia's driver.. it has always offered me good performance.. |
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| 20:39.15 | TBjoe | okay then I'll have a look at it, but it looked so difficult to install |
| 20:39.19 | nvz | TBjoe: last fact finding question would be what browser you're talking about and if you have the problem with any other apps (which ones?) |
| 20:39.19 | musca | !fonts |
| 20:39.19 | dpkg | Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>. |
| 20:39.29 | musca | especially https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts#Subpixel-hinting_and_Font-smoothing |
| 20:40.30 | nvz | TBjoe: well their driver from their site you just run it.. all you need is kernel headers package instaled for your kernel.. and the debian way isn't really hard either.. just install nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig, and nvidia-kernel-foo-dkms or whatever its called |
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| 20:40.51 | TBjoe | nvz: I just used the browser as an example, it looks the same everywhere |
| 20:41.01 | nvz | most the issues people had with the upstream driver I dont consider to be an issue anymore cause theyseem to use DKMS even upstream now |
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| 20:41.57 | nvz | though i'd still say try debian method first.. and if you have any issues then see if whatever nvidia has works better |
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| 20:42.04 | nvz | !nvidia |
| 20:42.04 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:42.15 | nvz | !nvidia dkms |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 20:43.09 | TBjoe | ok thank you I'll try it out when I have the patience for it :) |
| 20:43.09 | nvz | that does make it look complicated.. heh.. I've never done any of that.. I let nvida-xconfig do the configuration and never had to blacklist the noveau driver |
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| 20:44.57 | twostone | I'm using nvidias dkms from jessie repos, install was hassle-free and works in most set-ups. |
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| 20:45.43 | twostone | install kernel-headers, select the dkms-driver and let synapric or aptitude do the rest for you. |
| 20:45.51 | nvz | yeah I am using wheezy dkms and currently dont have a hdd for my desktop but this one works in both my desktop with the GT220 and my thinkpad with the NVS140M flawlessly |
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| 20:46.20 | nvz | I like that I can take debian from machine to machine like this with no issues :-P |
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| 20:46.57 | nvz | well there is one issue i noticed last night.. on my desktop when I pause vlc and unpause it the sound is gone.. if I seek the video it comes back.. still not sure why the hell it does that.. heh |
| 20:47.25 | nvz | doesnt seem to do that when I put this hdd in the thinkpad where I originlly installed the OS |
| 20:47.26 | mislav | Can I force debian to load everything from / to RAM? I get horrible performance because I installed portable Debian on a cheap USB drive... |
| 20:48.04 | nvz | mislav: thats basically what live cds do using a cloop and ramdisk |
| 20:48.27 | mislav | nvz: yea but live cds dont keep any changes to / |
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| 20:49.26 | nvz | mislav: yeah well it could be really complicate to save that crap.. cause you'd have to basically copy the ramdisk back to the thumbdrive before shutting down and that'd only work when you shut down properly |
| 20:49.34 | somiaj | mislav: there is various methods to make a live image persistant, depending on your use can look up documentation on persistant live images. |
| 20:49.37 | nvz | most people don't change / anyhow on those kinda systems.. |
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| 20:50.01 | nvz | which that cn be solved by mounting /home somewhere persistent where most user settings and changes go anyhow |
| 20:50.08 | somiaj | I think the best way is to create a live image that has all the software you want, and then the only thing you really need to be persistant is $HOME which has user config files and data |
| 20:50.34 | somiaj | but having to regenrate the live image each time you want to add another piece of software can be annoying |
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| 20:54.28 | twostone | @mislav: mayhap, read-perfomance might not be that bad, write-access to the device might be the bottleneck there. If you do have enough RAM, something like overlayfs or tmpfs might be an option. Myself, I'm mostly using CF-Cards for system partitions, mounted ro, where changes to the filesystem will be stored in RAM via overlayfs. Works quite well, performace ain't too bad. |
| 20:55.00 | twostone | deb-package flash-hybrid makes config easier. |
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| 20:57.04 | nvz | This probably isn't on topic but if anyone could try IM with me on skype I'd appreciate it.. I moved and I'm using my cell phone as a modem and I havent been able to send any messages idk if its me or the person I'm trying to contact. |
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| 21:01.20 | asdfjkl | hi, i have an old isa io board that only has drivers for linux 2.4 and 2.2 |
| 21:01.25 | asdfjkl | i wonder how to proceed |
| 21:01.26 | mislav | twostone: I cant find any good documentation on overlayfs. Can you point me to right direction please? |
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| 21:01.52 | asdfjkl | should i install an old debian release or try to get an old kernel working in a current release? |
| 21:01.52 | Azrael_- | i try to get a network running but ran into a strange error-message. here is the config and error-message: http://pastebin.com/VLNaN3GN (message: Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "/255.255.255.0" is a garbage.) can you give me a hint? |
| 21:02.58 | asdfjkl | and if i wanted to install an old release, like woody or sarge, where would i download it from ? |
| 21:03.08 | Unknown574 | does anybody know how to program linux? |
| 21:03.10 | Azrael_- | debian archives |
| 21:03.41 | Unknown574 | like the operating system itself |
| 21:03.43 | Unknown574 | ? |
| 21:03.56 | Azrael_- | Unknown574: this is like: does anybody know how to drive a mercedes |
| 21:04.07 | Azrael_- | -drive +repair |
| 21:04.23 | Azrael_- | "like the engine itself) |
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| 21:05.21 | asdfjkl | Azrael_-: that link is great, but it only seems to have packages |
| 21:05.23 | Unknown574 | Azrael_-: i'm only in grade 10 |
| 21:05.26 | jhutchins | More like "does anybody know how to build a house?" |
| 21:05.31 | asdfjkl | Azrael_-: I would also need the installers no? |
| 21:06.33 | Azrael_- | asdfjkl: no idea, at least with debootstrap it should be possible |
| 21:06.40 | jhutchins | Unknown574: Yes, obviously somebody does, because somebody has. |
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| 21:07.19 | jhutchins | Unknown574: What we usually discuss here is how to get specific things working/problems solved in Debian. |
| 21:08.11 | twostone | @mislav: imagine a filesystem that is read only, imagine, it were a sheet of paper with immutable writing on it. |
| 21:08.52 | twostone | @mislav: Overlayfs is the sheet(s) of parchment on top of that, where you change bits and pieces of the writing without changing the original. |
| 21:09.42 | asdfjkl | i wonder if something like apt-get dist-upgrade -t sarge would work |
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| 21:09.57 | twostone | @mislav: a good start would be the manpages for flashybrid, since it comes with scripts and examples that will make life a lot easier for you. |
| 21:10.28 | mislav | twostone: thanks. |
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| 21:11.10 | ajf | Dealing with raspbian, not plain Debian here, but #raspberrypi can't help me so I hope you guys might be able to. X11 Forwarding isn't working. Client is configured correctly (connects to another server fine), Server has X11Forwarding yes and xauth installed, but still "Can't open display:". What gives? |
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| 21:11.34 | twostone | It might help speed things up a bit, since it is usually write-access, that slows things down with flash memory. |
| 21:12.01 | twostone | ajf: server not config'd properly? |
| 21:12.36 | ajf | twostone: Well, I'm not sure what could be wrong here. X11Forwarding is yes in sshd_config |
| 21:12.42 | twostone | check for something like "use login = yes" |
| 21:12.46 | asdfjkl | would a 2.4 kernel play nicely in a modern distro? |
| 21:12.51 | twostone | should be no. common mistake. |
| 21:13.02 | ajf | twostone: where? in sshd? |
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| 21:13.44 | twostone | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:14.01 | ajf | "UseLogin no" is commented out |
| 21:14.04 | ajf | is the default "yes"? |
| 21:14.36 | twostone | not really. |
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| 21:14.51 | twostone | Just said it is a common misconception. |
| 21:15.01 | twostone | What else in your sshd_config? |
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| 21:15.16 | jhutchins | ajf: THat's usually a matter of the usre logged in on the remote does not have permission to access the display. |
| 21:15.26 | jhutchins | ajf: env | grep DISPLAY |
| 21:15.38 | ajf | blank |
| 21:15.44 | ajf | echo $DISPLAY is blank |
| 21:16.05 | jhutchins | ajf: Make sure that it's getting set. There should also be a ~/.Xauthority file created when you connect. |
| 21:16.19 | jhutchins | ajf: There ya go, Xforwarding is not on. |
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| 21:16.40 | ajf | there's a blank .Xauthority |
| 21:16.44 | jhutchins | ajf: Using ssh -vvv can sometimes tell you why. |
| 21:16.47 | ajf | and "X11Forwarding yes" |
| 21:16.54 | DandyPandy | Hi everyone. This is going to sound like a stupid stupid question, but I've hit a wall. I'm running wheezy and it looks like none of my settings in limits.conf and access.conf are being applied. I've enabled pam_access.so and pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/sshd, but it's not making any difference. |
| 21:16.57 | jhutchins | ajf: It could be that it's not enabled in the raspian binary. |
| 21:16.59 | ajf | jhutchins: without that liberty, stuck with PuTTY |
| 21:17.15 | jhutchins | ajf: Oh. Duh. Putty on Windows? |
| 21:17.22 | DandyPandy | Is there something I'm missing? |
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| 21:17.30 | ajf | Yeah. As said previously, it works with another server |
| 21:17.31 | Venomen | hmm somebody knows where is limit of screen sessions in ubuntu/debian? i can only get ~30 connections to hosts by screen ssh |
| 21:17.34 | ajf | At least, I think I mentioned that |
| 21:17.54 | ajf | So I doubt it's a configuration issue on the client |
| 21:18.05 | twostone | aif: cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep X11 on your raspbian, and post results. |
| 21:18.17 | ajf | ajf@raspberrypi ~ $ cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep X11 |
| 21:18.18 | ajf | X11Forwarding yes |
| 21:18.18 | ajf | X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 21:18.37 | mumpitze1 | !raspbian |
| 21:18.37 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:18.45 | mumpitze1 | or #linux if they don't know |
| 21:18.54 | twostone | hutchins: good point. ajf: You're not using windows, are you? |
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| 21:19.23 | jhutchins | ajf: putty on windows isn't an xserver - you can't forward to it. |
| 21:19.25 | ajf | twostone: I am, unfortunately, using Windows to connect, with PuTTY. As stated previously, I doubt this is the issue - I can X11 forward fine with my VPS (Ubuntu 12.04) |
| 21:19.28 | jhutchins | Nothing to do with raspian. |
| 21:19.31 | ajf | jhulst: I have a server |
| 21:19.38 | ajf | Xming, in this case |
| 21:19.40 | twostone | *dang* |
| 21:19.44 | rryoumaa | when i boot up, i get a whole lot of messages, including one in a text box. how do you get dmesg to show EVERYTHING that scrolls by when you boot up? |
| 21:19.45 | jhutchins | ajf: You need xming. |
| 21:19.55 | ajf | [22:19] <ajf> jhulst: I have a server |
| 21:19.55 | ajf | [22:19] <ajf> Xming, in this case |
| 21:19.56 | jhutchins | ajf: Or cygwin has an xserver. |
| 21:20.17 | ajf | oops, that was aimed at you, not jhu-lst. Oh well. |
| 21:20.24 | twostone | ajf: raspbians X need a local xserver on your client machine to connect to. Unless you're running Xming, it can not connect to a windows machine. |
| 21:20.30 | ajf | I know. |
| 21:20.33 | jhutchins | ajf: Ok, you need to figure out the details of how to use xming - I use a commercial program or Cygwin so I'm not sure, but just using putty isn't it. |
| 21:20.37 | ajf | It's running. As I said, connecting to my VPS works fine |
| 21:20.43 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: dmesg only shows kernel messages. and that buffer has a limit too. /var/log/kern.log shows everything. from the kernel. and not everything shown when booting is saved in a log |
| 21:20.52 | ajf | forwarding with my VPS works fine |
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| 21:21.09 | ajf | So it's obviously not a PuTTY or XMing issue |
| 21:21.12 | jhutchins | ajf: What you are describing is exactly what happens if you use putty without xming, so something's not connecting. |
| 21:21.17 | jhutchins | ajf: Yes it is. |
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| 21:21.38 | mumpitze1 | ajf, jhutchins twostone: can you please take this issue in a channel where it is on topic and leave this one for #debian support? |
| 21:21.43 | rryoumaa | mumpitze1: it scrolls by too quickly. it looked like somebody intended it to be read. are we supposed to point a camera at it? :) |
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| 21:22.09 | rryoumaa | thanks for the kern.log hint. will take a look! |
| 21:22.15 | twostone | hutchins: maybe he simply forgot to enable xforwarding in putty. Happens to me as well if I sometime use it. |
| 21:22.15 | ajf | runs gedit |
| 21:22.18 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: press "pause" on your keyboard when it shows up? |
| 21:22.45 | ajf | And gedit opens. So again, not a client issue. |
| 21:23.04 | ajf | (forwarded from my VPS. The Pi is the issue.) |
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| 21:23.38 | jhutchins | ajf: Setting up a headless Raspberry Pi and remote controlling it with PuTTY and Xming: http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
| 21:23.42 | jhutchins | Bah. |
| 21:24.01 | rryoumaa | mumpitze1: it quickly gets cleared before hte login prompt. but perhaps shift page up will work (maybe). which raises another question. is it possible to save scrollback when you switch away from vt and back to it? |
| 21:24.04 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: stuff from initscripts might be logged to syslog, or into their own specific logfiles, or not at all. there is no standard you can rely on |
| 21:24.13 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 21:24.17 | jhutchins | ajf: Look for the instructions on http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ |
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| 21:29.00 | ajf | WAIT WHAT |
| 21:29.01 | ajf | huh |
| 21:29.21 | ajf | Turns out it was my fault. "localhost:0:0" worked as config for VPS, but not for raspberry Pi. |
| 21:29.52 | ajf | no, wait. I mis-typed a colon as a semicolon. ah. |
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| 21:30.15 | jhutchins | ajf: The cygwin x server is pretty nice, just an xterm console that automatically opens X stuff. |
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| 21:30.50 | mrdeb | will vlc be updated to current 2.08 version? |
| 21:31.05 | mrdeb | who is person who maintains it |
| 21:31.12 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: You can hack the init script and put pauses and echos in it. |
| 21:31.22 | jhutchins | ,versions vlc |
| 21:31.23 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo3 |
| 21:32.31 | jhutchins | mrdeb: Might be backported, or buy mr. dmm some bandwidth and he might update it. |
| 21:33.06 | mrdeb | jhutchins: what do u mean backported. shouldnt it be a standard stable update |
| 21:33.19 | mrdeb | 2.03 is old now and .08 is just update to current version, not new version 3 x |
| 21:33.38 | jhutchins | mrdeb: New versions of software are not released for stable. |
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| 21:33.53 | mrdeb | its not new version |
| 21:34.06 | jhutchins | mrdeb: Remember, 2.03 Debian is not the same as 2.03 upstream. |
| 21:34.09 | mtn | mrdeb: stable doesn't change |
| 21:34.27 | mrdeb | so it will stay at 2.03 until jessie? |
| 21:34.39 | jhutchins | mrdeb: Yes, unless backported. |
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| 21:34.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell mrdeb -about stable |
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| 21:35.03 | babilen | mrdeb: "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing" and that is *exactly* what happens. |
| 21:35.04 | mrdeb | who decides if and why its backported |
| 21:35.27 | mrdeb | babilen: so it could be unstable as long as its unchanging |
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| 21:37.27 | mrdeb | i guess i need to change sources.list to jessie then |
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| 21:38.33 | jhutchins | mrdeb: Mixing distributions is Very Bad. |
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| 21:39.33 | jhutchins | mrdeb: Testing is allowed to be broken and to stay broken until fixed properly, it also does not receive priority security fixes. |
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| 21:40.31 | mrdeb | jhutchins: new version fix things usually, in testing yes? |
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| 21:40.42 | jhutchins | mrdeb: Sometimes they break things. |
| 21:40.55 | mrdeb | yes well i noticed that stable means things never gets fixed |
| 21:40.55 | mtn | mrdeb: it gets fixed sooner or later |
| 21:41.03 | mrdeb | but testing at least thing change and usually get fixed |
| 21:41.24 | jhutchins | I think the intel video drivers for Lenny (squeeze?) took about three months. |
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| 21:42.02 | berarma | mrdeb: they get fixed but you don't know when |
| 21:42.19 | mrdeb | who decides when |
| 21:43.01 | mtn | mrdeb: the people that maintain them, just like in any distro |
| 21:43.01 | berarma | mrdeb: developers are working on testing and sid, thinks break and fix as they work, noone decides it |
| 21:43.16 | berarma | things* |
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| 21:43.26 | mrdeb | so i can email the person who works on vlc for more info? |
| 21:43.30 | mrdeb | is that it |
| 21:43.47 | mtn | mrdeb: what info? |
| 21:43.54 | berarma | mrdeb: you can use the bug tracker |
| 21:44.00 | mrdeb | whenthey will update it etc |
| 21:44.06 | mrdeb | ok |
| 21:44.09 | mtn | mrdeb: it will be done when itis done |
| 21:44.18 | mrdeb | ... |
| 21:44.24 | mrdeb | ppl dont set timetables? |
| 21:44.35 | berarma | mrdeb: absolutely not |
| 21:44.38 | mtn | mrdeb: nope and they won't hurry up for you :P |
| 21:44.48 | mrdeb | wow |
| 21:45.08 | mtn | mrdeb: shocking, isn't it? |
| 21:45.49 | mrdeb | yes for real world |
| 21:45.57 | mtn | ha |
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| 21:59.25 | schreber | Is there a known issue with regards to usb/usb thumbsticks when mounted being assigned root:root rather than say user:user [debian - jessie]? |
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| 22:03.01 | berarma | schreber: odd, I'm just having that issue right now on Sid |
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| 22:05.48 | schreber | on another system (13.04) I use the usb thumbstick for homework and such so I know I have read/write access to it but with this new install of jessie it basically states that I don't have permission nor does it seem like I can change those permissions with chown user:user /media/usb0 unless there needs to be some kind of symlink assigned to the device that I'm not aware of that will allow to write to the device |
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| 22:11.11 | Krugger | schreber: the ownership of the mounted volume can be defined in /etc/fstab |
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| 22:12.17 | Krugger | schreber: check your fstab and see if you have the user option defined. This will allow any user to mount it |
| 22:13.14 | schreber | it's mountable but I can't write to it, but I'll check fstab |
| 22:13.58 | berarma | at least on desktops, removable devices are handled by udisks |
| 22:14.18 | schreber | for both usb1 & 0 the options are rw, user, noauto |
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| 22:17.10 | berarma | schreber: what is the output to "udisksctl status"? |
| 22:18.13 | schreber | device is assoc. to sdc |
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| 22:19.13 | berarma | schreber: I guess you shouldn't have fstab entries if you're using udisks |
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| 22:19.27 | berarma | schreber: I mean for the usb |
| 22:20.07 | schreber | the output gives me the model, revision, serial, and device |
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| 22:21.02 | asduk | hello |
| 22:21.20 | schreber | fdisk -l lists it as /dev/sdc1 if that's helpful |
| 22:21.21 | asduk | my wifi-card is not reconize since last reboot ? |
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| 22:21.53 | asduk | i installed it with ncidwrapper |
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| 22:35.58 | mumpitze1 | asduk: ndiswrapper is pretty much abandoned for years now. what wlan chip do you have? |
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| 22:43.04 | Kenran | hey guys |
| 22:43.40 | Kenran | do you have any idea why this PC is always beeping on non-unique TAB completion or other stuff, while my laptop isn't? |
| 22:43.44 | Kenran | and how to get rid of it? :) |
| 22:44.02 | cusco | rmmod pcspkr |
| 22:44.03 | cusco | lol |
| 22:44.39 | Kenran | cusco: thanks^^ is that permanent? |
| 22:44.57 | cusco | no, that removes all beeps by the way, its not the best way |
| 22:45.11 | cusco | you can add to blacklist the pcspkr module |
| 22:45.23 | cusco | in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 22:45.29 | Kenran | ah nice, thank you |
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| 22:45.56 | cusco | I guess you could just set a environment variable to disble the beep you're refering, but I don't know about that |
| 22:46.08 | cusco | I'm sure the guys in #bash would know however |
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| 22:50.02 | schreber | it seems to be a re-occurring issue with debian and usb devices |
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| 22:55.20 | itzurabhi | anyone have done customizing the debian for a setup like an ATM machine,where it loads only a single gui program and nothing else? |
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| 22:56.25 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:56.49 | Azrael_- | just installed phppgadmin and now i can't login, is there a admin user i could use or how could i add one? |
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| 22:58.24 | abrotman | did you read the docs? |
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| 22:58.57 | MickeyAvalon | Clouds powered by Debian don't hurt the angels up there. |
| 22:59.09 | socomm | Azrael_-: I'm guessing you need to login with a Postgres user. Have you set one up? |
| 22:59.11 | Azrael_- | abrotman: no, didn't read everything so fast |
| 22:59.36 | Azrael_- | -fast +far |
| 22:59.56 | socomm | MickeyAvalon: What about clouds powered by FreeBSD? |
| 23:00.15 | Azrael_- | didn't set up something special yet. will try to set up a one |
| 23:00.20 | twostone | izurabhi: like a simple internet-kiosk, for example? |
| 23:00.37 | jned | Azrael_-, didn't it ask you for a password when you installed it |
| 23:00.43 | lrit | Hello. In my TTY, the resolution is pretty low. I have to add nomodeset to my boot options, otherwise I can't boot (Error was something along the lines of "nouveau E[ PDISP][0000:02:00.0] chid 2 mthd 0x0080 data 0x00000000 0x100b5080") I'm using KDE 4.8 and Debian 7.1. How can I fix this error? So far the only thing that has worked is adding nomodeset to my boot options, but that also seems to make my TTY resolution low (and possi |
| 23:00.45 | jned | root password |
| 23:00.56 | itzurabhi | twostone:yes |
| 23:01.34 | itzurabhi | twostone:by the way the GUI program is in Qt |
| 23:01.40 | Azrael_- | thanks worked |
| 23:01.43 | MickeyAvalon | socomm: They didn't pay their indulgences to the Church, so one of the Saints will probably kick them off. |
| 23:01.45 | Azrael_- | jned: no it didn't |
| 23:02.04 | jned | c'mon, I think it does |
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| 23:02.12 | Widowmaker | did you try your username will be : postgres and password whatever you entered in terminal while creating user role and database |
| 23:02.16 | Azrael_- | i'm absolutely shour it didn't |
| 23:02.32 | Azrael_- | s/shour/shure |
| 23:02.41 | abrotman | did you read the docs yet? |
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| 23:02.44 | abrotman | sure |
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| 23:03.33 | Azrael_- | not shure about my current dpkg-configure level. perhaps it was suppressed. no idea. at least it didn't ask for a pw and works anyway |
| 23:03.44 | socomm | Azrael_-: do you have a user name and password for your postgres database? |
| 23:03.45 | abrotman | sure |
| 23:04.00 | socomm | Azrael_-: its 'sure' not 'shure' |
| 23:04.33 | Azrael_- | k, it's just too late |
| 23:04.43 | MickeyAvalon | Obligatory reference to the month of September on Usenet: Mickey Avalon -- the kosher salami. For twenty you get Chachi for forty he gets you Fonzie. A motherfucker hustler kamikaze -- I use to bust tables but now I sell my body. |
| 23:05.16 | babilen | MickeyAvalon: Do you require help? |
| 23:05.32 | Vasistha | I think the more relevant question is if he needs help with debian |
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| 23:05.41 | MickeyAvalon | babilen: I do, but not the kind you offer. |
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| 23:06.11 | babilen | MickeyAvalon: Please elsewhere please. Ta! |
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| 23:06.18 | seekr | Can anyone tell me or refer me to someplace where I can find out why swap space should be about twice as big as installed memory (if that guideline is correct, that is)? |
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| 23:06.40 | abrotman | seekr: not the case anymore, that was for 2.6 kernels |
| 23:08.06 | lrit | Can somebody please help with my problem? |
| 23:08.15 | seekr | abrotman: ah - thanks - what's the current guideline? |
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| 23:10.22 | socomm | lrit: not a certified therapist but I'll try |
| 23:10.31 | rscnt | but |
| 23:10.33 | rscnt | i will |
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| 23:11.35 | Widowmaker | seekr Systems with 4GB of ram or less require a minimum of 2GB of swap space |
| 23:11.35 | lrit | In my TTY, the resolution is pretty low. I have to add nomodeset to my boot options, otherwise I can't boot (Error was something along the lines of "nouveau E[ PDISP][0000:02:00.0] chid 2 mthd 0x0080 data 0x00000000 0x100b5080") I'm using KDE 4.8 and Debian 7.1. How can I fix this error? So far the only thing that has worked is adding nomodeset to my boot options, but that also seems to make my TTY resolution low (and possibly my m |
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| 23:13.35 | twostone | @widowmaker: I'm running debian on a machine with only 128megs RAM and no swap space, and it is running pretty well. It all depends, what you're doing with that machine. |
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| 23:13.57 | seekr | Widowmaker: thanks for the info! I have only 2GB RAM at present, and have defined a 10GB swap - planning to get more memory asap. |
| 23:13.59 | rscnt | systems with 8G requires at least 2.4GB of rams |
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| 23:14.10 | abrotman | seekr: that' ssilly |
| 23:14.19 | rscnt | ssssillly |
| 23:14.23 | rscnt | ccccombo brkkker |
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| 23:15.02 | seekr | abrotman: to make such a large swap partition? But what if I install a bunch more RAM? |
| 23:15.06 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:15.13 | abrotman | i'm not arguing with you .. it's your HDD |
| 23:15.26 | rscnt | seekr: why not google ? |
| 23:15.31 | rscnt | seekr: books |
| 23:15.34 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi, what if i have no swap space? |
| 23:15.35 | rscnt | seekr: or something |
| 23:15.44 | rscnt | seekr: that's what you need |
| 23:15.47 | seekr | abrotman: I can still change the size - I have 2.2TB left to deal with - 10GB isn't a big hit (it's a 3GB drive). |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | MonkWitDaFunk: so what? |
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| 23:16.01 | rscnt | seekr: it's a waste |
| 23:16.09 | abrotman | seekr: you can create swap files later if you need it |
| 23:16.17 | seekr | rscnt: G**gle is against my religion (I use startpage.com) :) |
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| 23:16.52 | rscnt | but that's still google |
| 23:17.22 | MonkWitDaFunk | Swap space cannot be arranged in secondary memory by e4defrag. I know that its part of memory hiearchy and i know it should improve benchmarks |
| 23:17.42 | Guest19705 | why? |
| 23:17.46 | seekr | abrotman: so maybe 4-6GB is enough? Is using swap files efficient? (I'll be using LUKS and LVM, so there are some extra layers of processing to go through, unless I create the swap files elsewhere.) |
| 23:18.16 | abrotman | maybe 2GB is enough |
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| 23:18.20 | asduk | hello, can someone help me with my wif-card problem? |
| 23:18.21 | [b] | 2.4 |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | asduk: not unless you ask |
| 23:18.30 | [b] | asduk: stop crying |
| 23:18.33 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi asduk |
| 23:18.37 | [b] | asduk: what's your problem? |
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| 23:18.55 | abrotman | [b]: do you need help? |
| 23:19.05 | [b] | yes |
| 23:19.11 | [b] | with a lot of things |
| 23:19.13 | asduk | that was not a cry, just an question in someone is good with wifi probleme in debian |
| 23:19.14 | seekr | abrotman: ok - thanks |
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| 23:19.32 | abrotman | asduk: we need an actual question or problem, we're not mind readers |
| 23:19.56 | asduk | ok, my wifi card is not more reconize since i rebooted after installing the windows driver of it with nicdwrapper |
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| 23:20.10 | asduk | *is no more |
| 23:20.14 | MonkWitDaFunk | My wifi gb/s is 30% the speed as my gigabit ethernet asduk |
| 23:20.15 | abrotman | asduk: you sohuldn't be using ndiswrapper |
| 23:20.36 | [b] | asduk: intel, atheros... ? |
| 23:20.38 | abrotman | asduk: what is your wiif card? |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | wifi |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | asduk: can you pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn' so we can see it ? |
| 23:20.55 | [b] | asduk: why are you using nicdwrapper? |
| 23:21.02 | asduk | its a foxconn from my asus k54c |
| 23:21.13 | [b] | we need the lspci |
| 23:21.41 | asduk | wait ill be back on my asus laptop for copy paste issue |
| 23:21.57 | [b] | asduk: k |
| 23:21.57 | seekr | Back on the subject of disk partitioning, does anyone have any thoughts on whether it's better to create an LVM under a LUKS-encoded partition or vice versa? I know that doing LUKS at the top level would permit extending a logical volume to another ph ysical drive, but I think I'm unlikely to want to do such a thing (since the partition will be >2TB). |
| 23:22.20 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 23:22.27 | abrotman | it's an ath9k |
| 23:22.30 | [b] | f*ck |
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| 23:22.49 | [b] | why!!!!! |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | [b]: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 23:23.16 | twostone | ath9k should be supported by the newer kernels. It is even supported by FreeBSD, so yeah... |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | [b]: if not, please be quiet |
| 23:23.19 | [b] | abrotman: oh, that's different |
| 23:23.23 | [b] | abrotman: no :( |
| 23:23.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell asduk about ath9k |
| 23:23.34 | asduk | 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09) |
| 23:23.37 | asduk | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0106] (rev 09) |
| 23:23.38 | abrotman | [b]: you're not helping, you're being a distraction. |
| 23:23.40 | asduk | 00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:1c3a] (rev 04) |
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| 23:23.52 | abrotman | asduk: use paste.debian.net, not this channel |
| 23:24.01 | [b] | or you can use ix.io |
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| 23:24.07 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
| 23:24.16 | [b] | oh sorry |
| 23:24.18 | mumpitze1 | asduk: and run lspci -nn |
| 23:24.20 | [b] | i'm going now |
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| 23:24.40 | abrotman | it's an ath9k card ... |
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| 23:25.26 | MonkWitDaFunk | Does the ath9k have its own proprietary drivers by its oem for linux? |
| 23:25.28 | nonconvergent | Which bot doles out versions? |
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| 23:26.03 | asduk | this is my wifi card i guess |
| 23:26.11 | asduk | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:5390] |
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| 23:26.35 | nonconvergent | ,.pciid [1814:5390] |
| 23:26.46 | nonconvergent | bah, I can never remember the syntax |
| 23:26.59 | asduk | is there a linux driver for dat one ? |
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| 23:27.27 | twostone | https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 23:27.39 | shardz | My fresh wheezy install (with 'Laptop' selected as a category for packages during installation) doesn't suspend when closing the lid. I can get it to do so with, say, XFCE but I want it to work when I'm not running X or when I'm running openbox or so (I want it to be WM-independent). |
| 23:27.49 | arulfi | whats advantages of seperate boot partition |
| 23:27.53 | shardz | I also don't want to have to run a command each time I want it to suspend. The wiki seems to think it should just work. |
| 23:27.54 | nonconvergent | http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/factoid.php?key=pciid |
| 23:27.58 | twostone | Needs non-free repos and the non-free-firmware-package. |
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| 23:28.24 | asduk | is this link for me ? |
| 23:28.26 | nonconvergent | arulfi: For one, you can encrypt the non-/boot partitions without needing an external key. |
| 23:28.33 | twostone | or rather the firmware-ralink-package. |
| 23:28.36 | abrotman | asduk: see what the bot told you |
| 23:28.39 | twostone | asduk: yes. |
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| 23:29.05 | seekr | abrotman: Back on the subject of disk partitioning, do you have any thoughts on whether it's better to create an LVM under a LUKS-encoded partition or vice versa? I know that doing LUKS at the top level would permit extending a logical volume to another ph ysical drive, but I think I'm unlikely to want to do such a thing (since the partition will be >2TB). |
| 23:29.42 | seekr | abrotman: oops - I meant that using LVM at the top level would allow an extension |
| 23:29.55 | twostone | !firmware-ralink |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell twostone about ralink |
| 23:30.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell twostone about bottell |
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| 23:31.06 | nonconvergent | arulfi: Also, in the event of a filesystem going belly up, anything on a different filesystem and different partition would be unaffected, preserving whatever's there. |
| 23:31.49 | asduk | 1814:5390 |
| 23:33.06 | twostone | meaning? |
| 23:33.24 | asduk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.39 | asduk | the bot is not answering ? |
| 23:34.00 | twostone | probably not. |
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| 23:34.39 | twostone | This is what you meant?: PCI: 1814:5390 Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe |
| 23:34.56 | asduk | yes |
| 23:35.24 | twostone | Should be available for >3.2.0-kernels. |
| 23:35.48 | asduk | so i just need to update my kernel ? |
| 23:36.14 | twostone | and install the firmware-ralink package. |
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| 23:36.43 | twostone | also, for ease of use, you might want to consider something like network-manager/network-manager-gnome. |
| 23:36.47 | asduk | and how do i do this ? (whitout being to much insiting) |
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| 23:37.09 | twostone | apt/synaptic/aptitude? |
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| 23:37.45 | twostone | privmsg. |
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| 23:40.02 | asduk | did you receive my privmsg ? i dont see dat ive sent it ? |
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| 23:40.40 | pinuzzo89 | ciaoo |
| 23:40.45 | pinuzzo89 | !list |
| 23:40.45 | dpkg | pinuzzo89: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 23:41.22 | twostone | hell, a multi-lingual bot! Now I've seen everything. |
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| 23:41.42 | vlt | twostone: That's only for !list |
| 23:41.48 | rryoumaa | is there something for aptitude upgrade that will tell you about new packages that are available in backports? |
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| 23:41.59 | rryoumaa | kind of like apt-listbugs etc. |
| 23:42.52 | asduk | so twostone ? how do you upgrade kernel and what version of kernel you recommand me for my prolem? |
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| 23:43.33 | twostone | asduk: Find out first whether you've non-free repo available for you in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 23:43.35 | izanagisan-afk | hi!. I erased ALL the files (not directories) on /etc/ on a machine. It went down. I restored all the files, set permissions to 777 root:root |
| 23:43.48 | izanagisan-afk | for just the restored files on the first level of /etc/ |
| 23:44.00 | izanagisan-afk | it's an old Debian installation but I did that from an UbuntuLive CD |
| 23:44.22 | izanagisan-afk | but it still won't boot. On init it asks me to input a runlevel |
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| 23:45.01 | asduk | only this http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu |
| 23:45.56 | twostone | what's that doing in your sources.list? |
| 23:46.31 | izanagisan-afk | twostone: me? |
| 23:46.46 | asduk | idk, ive never touched that file : # deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu raring-getdeb apps games |
| 23:46.48 | twostone | izanagi: no, asduk. |
| 23:47.11 | themill | asduk: well the debian installer certainly didn't put it there... |
| 23:47.30 | izanagi | izanagi: Am I really screwed? |
| 23:47.35 | asduk | should i remove dat line ? |
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| 23:47.40 | mad_mode_on | hey how to set locally in my laptop a server to send multiple emails ? |
| 23:47.41 | twostone | thanks, mill. took a weight off my mind. |
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| 23:47.47 | izanagi | I don't know that much about the OS and it's an oldie version on a production mailserver |
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| 23:48.00 | izanagi | I don't know if there's anything I can do |
| 23:48.17 | twostone | @asduk: You ARE running Debian, not Ubuntu, are you? |
| 23:48.28 | asduk | im running mint |
| 23:48.42 | twostone | izanagi: It would probably be easier just to reinstall a recent Debian and take it from there. |
| 23:48.44 | asduk | its based on debian |
| 23:49.00 | asduk | isnt it ? |
| 23:49.12 | VsioZashibis | how guys. How can I generate a self-signed certificate for apache ? |
| 23:49.12 | izanagi | twostone: problem is the time the mailserver would be offline |
| 23:49.14 | twostone | actually, it's based on ubuntu, which is "loosely" based on debian. |
| 23:49.23 | themill | dpkg: tell asduk about mint |
| 23:49.23 | izanagi | I had hopes I could somehow 'restore' the system |
| 23:49.47 | themill | izanagi: restoring from your backup would be simplest at this stage |
| 23:49.59 | seekr | asduk: I think that there is a version of Linux Mint based on Debian, but the main one is based on Ubuntu (which is in turn based on Debian). |
| 23:50.22 | asduk | so do you know something about it ? |
| 23:50.36 | seekr | asduk: I run LM14 on a laptop. |
| 23:50.38 | twostone | izanagi: it is offline now, isn't it? fiddling about with permissions on a file-by-file-basis could take a while, and especially if it is a server accessible via www, you should take extra care with file permissions. |
| 23:51.07 | themill | asduk: what dpkg said -- forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 23:51.19 | izanagi | themill: so from what I described, it's understabable that it WON'T be easy to restore the system? |
| 23:51.20 | seekr | asduk: I'm far from being an expert, but I've been using Linux Mint for several months now and like it. |
| 23:51.25 | izanagi | even having the files I erased? |
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| 23:51.38 | twostone | izanagi: backup your server config files, reinstall sys, reinstall packages, restore configs. Quicker than the file-by-file variety. |
| 23:51.49 | themill | izanagi: the permissions are mostly 0644 except for the files that aren't. |
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| 23:52.37 | izanagi | twostone: indeed I was planning on doing that |
| 23:53.02 | izanagi | but after puting the files back in /etc/ I kinda hoped it would start again |
| 23:53.21 | izanagi | I mirrored permissions from a 'brother' Debian server with the same installation |
| 23:53.36 | izanagi | there was just one I couldn't restore: the /etc/identd.key file |
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| 23:53.43 | izanagi | had identd:root as user:group |
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| 23:54.03 | izanagi | and on the Ubuntu-LiveCD I could not make that change becuse there was no *identd* user |
| 23:54.16 | izanagi | sorry to be this bothering I just reaaaaally screwed up |
| 23:54.35 | izanagi | and was expecting the fix would not be that traumatic |
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| 23:55.45 | twostone | izanagi: If that other system you mentioned is running the exact same services and is in fact a mirror of the system you "killed", why not simply create an image off that system to restore the one you killed? |
| 23:56.19 | twostone | In what way do the two differ? |
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| 23:58.15 | izanagi | they don't have the exact same programs installed. Postfix is not on the 'brother' server I think |
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| 23:59.42 | twostone | but they are mostly similar? |
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