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| 00:01.12 | twostone | that's when you're glad you paid the extra for a RAID-controller with hot-swap-capabilities... |
| 00:01.22 | seekr | I found a good article at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt_with_LUKS#LVM:_Logical_Volume_Manager that makes me think I want to use the "LVM on LUKS" scheme. I'm currently in the Debian installer on the machine where I'm doing the disk layout. Is there a way to avoid the part of the encrypted volume setup that erases the partition? It would take days to do a 2TB partition. |
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| 00:02.27 | rryoumaa | you can press cancel, but you should look up the security implications of that |
| 00:02.49 | gnarface | would assume LUKS needs to format the partition just to work right, but doesn't actually know |
| 00:03.13 | seekr | rryoumaa: thanks - it's a brand new disk, so I don't see there being any such implications - just as long as cancel doesn't leave a messed up fs. |
| 00:03.19 | izanagi | twostone: yes, mainly very similar! |
| 00:03.26 | twostone | seekr: You may want to bypass filling the partition with random junk, but generally, it is not recommended. |
| 00:03.40 | izanagi | the servers d have RAID with hot-swap |
| 00:03.41 | twostone | You might as well take the hard drive apart and mark the portions with encrypted data on it. same effect. |
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| 00:03.57 | rryoumaa | is that bad? |
| 00:04.07 | rryoumaa | i mean, obviously, but how bad? |
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| 00:04.28 | izanagi | question! how difficult or hard (on man-hours) is it to install a new postfix mailserver on another machine |
| 00:04.33 | izanagi | from scratch, a new version |
| 00:04.37 | gnarface | seekr: incidentally, time-to-format is a filesystem-specific quantification. ext4 isn't known for fast formatting but *not all* of them take "days" |
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| 00:05.03 | seekr | twostone: I'm unable to see what advantage the random junk provides - except maybe that the default state of an empty disk is uniform zeroes (or ones, for that matter), so the spooks could easily see where the actual data resides - I don't know that I need quite that level of security. |
| 00:05.17 | twostone | izanagi: Simple then. Take one of the mirrored system disks out of the working server and put it in the other machine whilst replacing it with a blank disk and start rebuild on both. |
| 00:05.40 | twostone | seekr: why use encryption? |
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| 00:06.05 | socomm | twostone: is there a reason why you're advising 'image' over fresh install? |
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| 00:06.33 | seekr | gnarface: it's not the format that takes time, but the writing random junk part - took the better part of a day to do a 400GB partition (!) |
| 00:06.34 | gnarface | seekr: LUKS encryption might be a different thing though from formatting time, i guess. probably its a good idea to do this after making sure cpu powersaving is disabled in your bios |
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| 00:06.57 | twostone | socomm: I'm just plain lazy, and if it is a redundant or semi redundant setup, you might as well keep software versions synced. |
| 00:07.14 | seekr | twostone: I will be using encryption to maintain security over sensitive data. Next question? :) |
| 00:07.21 | socomm | twostone: you can do that with a configuration manager :^/ |
| 00:07.24 | gnarface | seekr: out-of-the-box your average amd64 system desktop bios these days is probably booting at half or quarter-clock speed |
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| 00:08.12 | gnarface | seekr: and while having more than 800mhz to 1ghz has diminishing returns on general disk throughput figures, the "generating random noise" part very well might be cpu dependent... |
| 00:08.25 | gnarface | seekr: or at least bus/core clock dependent, that is |
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| 00:08.49 | seekr | gnarface: re your second comment, I am running a dual core amd64, but don't understand why I care that much about time to boot - I'm not being critical of the observation, just wondering about its meaning |
| 00:08.59 | shevy | I need to extract a .deb file, but I am on slackware. dpkg-deb is not available, are there other ways? |
| 00:09.13 | themill | dpkg: tell shevy about deb |
| 00:09.16 | twostone | socomm: which needs to be configured first. He already has one sys up and running with the setup he needs, and if it only needs very minor alterations, why go through all the hassle and rebuild the sys from scratch? |
| 00:09.18 | gnarface | seekr: no no, i mean if you're doing a fresh install, RIGHT NOW you may be at half clock speed or less |
| 00:09.25 | themill | shevy: if you have busybox there, it can unpack .debs for you too |
| 00:09.28 | gnarface | seekr: if you are using default bios settings, that is |
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| 00:09.49 | seekr | gnarface: yes and yes (i am doing a fresh install and using default bios settings) |
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| 00:10.19 | seekr | gnarface: maybe I should just write out the partition table as is, and reboot into the installer after tweaking the bios a bit? |
| 00:10.27 | gnarface | seekr: that could have a dramatic effect on the LUKS setup, i would expect |
| 00:10.55 | gnarface | seekr: you might be able to change it on the fly though, if you can get to a shell... |
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| 00:11.08 | seekr | gnarface: I assume the "physical volume for encryption" implies LUKS |
| 00:11.25 | gnarface | i assume that as well |
| 00:11.47 | seekr | gnarface: can I get a shell from the installer? I think I'd best write out the partition table before I try anything nonstandard. |
| 00:11.56 | twostone | seekr: still not getting what you're trying to achieve with filesystem-wide encryption, that you think you can forego scrambling beforehand. |
| 00:12.06 | izanagi | twostone: I think that would still leave me with no mailserver on the 'restored' Debian server |
| 00:12.20 | izanagi | I mean, I have other servers with newer OSs. I could install postfix on them |
| 00:12.22 | shevy | themill ok cool thanks, ar worked just fine right now, all the .deb files are extracted |
| 00:12.32 | izanagi | I was just trying to restore the old system just as it is |
| 00:12.41 | seekr | twostone: sorry - I'm still not getting the question - what's wrong with encrypting a partition? |
| 00:12.52 | izanagi | and I inherited that system and I think previous sysadmin didn't do any kind of full system backup |
| 00:12.54 | twostone | izanagi: It would leave you with a server the mirror immage of the one you pulled the hdd from. |
| 00:13.07 | gnarface | seekr: i've never *tried* it from the installer but what you'd want to do is see if you have a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor file, and if its content is anything other than 'performance', echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 00:13.13 | gnarface | seekr: (and then do that again for every core) |
| 00:13.30 | gnarface | seekr: if you're not sure how many cores you got, check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:14.17 | seekr | gnarface: I have two cores - so you're suggesting something that will allow the "writing random junk" operation to complete in two days rather than four? |
| 00:14.31 | gnarface | seekr: just to be clear, there will be a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_governor, etc (one for every core) |
| 00:14.47 | seekr | gnarface: gotcha |
| 00:14.51 | twostone | seekr: encrypting a partition is good for one thing: That the data cannot be read while the partition is inactive. It is only usefull if the partition is not always mounted or mostly offline, or the machine gets stolen while powered down. And in that case, to make it more difficult for the "new owner", you should have filled the hdd with random junk beforehand. |
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| 00:15.05 | gnarface | seekr: and yea, i'm suggesting exactly that. at least i'm suggesting its worth a try. |
| 00:15.23 | gnarface | seekr: what i don't know is if the kernel the installer uses has the driver for this for your specific sub-arch |
| 00:15.24 | seekr | twostone: yes, I know - you have a better idea? |
| 00:15.37 | gnarface | seekr: it may or may not have that driver (if you see the file, you got the driver) |
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| 00:16.13 | gnarface | seekr: /proc/cpuinfo will also be useful for verifying the current clock speed of each core |
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| 00:16.48 | seekr | gnarface: the other option is to break out of that operation shortly after it begins and just live with the knowledge that it will be clear to a clever unencrypter which blocks to focus on - not really that much of a worry for me |
| 00:17.02 | twostone | seekr: what kind of data are you talking about? An enterprise-grade CMS might help you, since they use multiple layers of encryption and also multi-tiered. |
| 00:17.03 | gnarface | seekr: did you ask *how* to get to a console in the installer? try alt-f4, alt-f5, etc.... f2 and f3 are in use i think |
| 00:17.36 | gnarface | seekr: alt-f1 should be the one you're on currently |
| 00:17.44 | seekr | gnarface: I assume you mean ctl-alt-f<something>, right? |
| 00:18.13 | gnarface | seekr: sigh, if you're in graphical mode i guess actually you're on alt-f7, and to get out you have to ctrl-alt-f2 or something |
| 00:18.21 | seekr | twostone: I'm puzzled with why you have such a problem with LUKS encryption of an entire partition, since it's a standard option provided by the Debian installer |
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| 00:18.32 | gnarface | seekr: correct |
| 00:19.17 | seekr | gnarface: wouldn't I want ctl-alt-f1 or some such to get a shell? |
| 00:19.46 | twostone | I don't really have a problem with it, I'm actually using it on my various laptops for various users, but it is limited in its applications. It will only be of benefit, if the partition is not mounted. |
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| 00:20.13 | gnarface | seekr: its kinda confusing, but the graphical terminal (f7) also takes up a txt terminal, (f1, typically) so while you CAN get that one (f1) its already in use and you sorta have to kill X to use it |
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| 00:20.25 | gnarface | seekr: better to use one that's not already in use, you have spares... |
| 00:20.32 | gnarface | seekr: i mean *thats why you have spares |
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| 00:20.51 | seekr | twostone: yeah - I think I can live with that fact, since the whole system is protected by a password protected lock screen and a physical lock on the door where the machine lives. :) |
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| 00:22.11 | seekr | gnarface: ok - I'm gonna write out the partition table, without doing anything with the remaining (2+ TB) space on the drive and then try to get a shell - worst case is I have to boot back into the installer to continue the partitioning |
| 00:22.21 | freeuser0814 | hi everybody! |
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| 00:22.43 | freeuser0814 | first of all let me tell you: CONGRATS FOR WHEEZY (SMP) :-) |
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| 00:23.13 | zacts | is there an official textual debian 7 live cd? |
| 00:23.27 | twostone | a what? |
| 00:23.30 | gnarface | seekr: if you don't hassle with f1 at all, the chances of you being able to resume the installer whereever it was at are very high |
| 00:23.57 | freeuser0814 | please a tiny shell(!) network monitoring tool. should be like iostat for wlan network interfaces. |
| 00:24.15 | zacts | twostone: a live CD that is command line only |
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| 00:24.36 | twostone | zacts: get that if you're using the netinstall-cd. |
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| 00:24.44 | freeuser0814 | please name a tiny iostat for network thoughput monitoring (couple wget sessions, i don't want to manually calculate the total bandwidth |
| 00:24.54 | twostone | ntop? |
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| 00:25.03 | zacts | ok, I'll check it out |
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| 00:25.31 | seekr | gnarface: ok - problem is the installer won't let me leave the disk setup, since I haven't yet defined a place for the root fs (which I plan to put under the LVM fs living under the LUKS partition) - catch-22! :) guess I'll have to create a small dummy partition which I can delete later - I may be forced to reboot in order to make that change (?) |
| 00:25.48 | freeuser0814 | zcats: do you have the ISO(s) already downloaded ? |
| 00:26.13 | freeuser0814 | zcats: check the netinstall ISO... |
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| 00:26.25 | gnarface | seekr: you're asking will you need to reboot to change the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor file? no, that change will be basically instant |
| 00:26.32 | zacts | freeuser0814: I'm downloading now |
| 00:26.36 | freeuser0814 | zcats: or the like (small ISO) |
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| 00:26.39 | seekr | gnarface: either that or I just go ahead and create the LUKS/LVM stuff and define that partition as the root one |
| 00:26.39 | themill | zacts: live.debian.net has small live images |
| 00:26.39 | can-o-worms | can someone please tell me how to open up port 6000, i took the nolisten option out of /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but it hasn't changed anything |
| 00:26.46 | freeuser0814 | zcats: NICE. GOOD LUCK :-) |
| 00:26.51 | gnarface | seekr: it will also not be permanent. to change the default you have to change it in your motherboard BIOS as i had mentioned before |
| 00:26.54 | freeuser0814 | you'll LOVE it! |
| 00:26.55 | zacts | thanks! |
| 00:27.05 | themill | freeuser0814, zacts: the netinstall is not really a live cd |
| 00:27.34 | freeuser0814 | themill: can't he burn the netinstall ISO? |
| 00:27.43 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ive installed transmission-daemon on a headless server with SSH access. The web gui wont work on a client machine unless I SSH into it and restart the service and then it works. Im not sure what to look at. |
| 00:27.46 | seekr | gnarface: no - I wasn't asking whether I need to reboot for that purpose - I just want to write the partition table to avoid spending another day writing random junk to the 400 GB partition and re-making all the other partitions I've put onto the first TB of the new drive. |
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| 00:28.00 | themill | freeuser0814: he can burn any iso he wants, that doesn't turn it into a live cd |
| 00:28.22 | seekr | gnarface: yes - about the cpu speedup, I assumed that I'd have to tweak the bios to make it stick |
| 00:28.45 | gnarface | i see |
| 00:28.52 | freeuser0814 | themill: 100% agree, but he could boot a DESKTOP live cd and install in text-mode, right? |
| 00:29.02 | themill | freeuser0814: please read the question |
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| 00:29.37 | freeuser0814 | themill: yes and no ;-) ok. |
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| 00:30.02 | freeuser0814 | themill: btw. could you help ME, (again), please? |
| 00:30.31 | freeuser0814 | themill: is there an iostat-like shell-tool for (wlan0)network monitoring? |
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| 00:30.54 | themill | freeuser0814: what's wrong with the answers you've already got? |
| 00:31.03 | freeuser0814 | zacts: WHAT are you actually downloading *right now* ? |
| 00:31.12 | freeuser0814 | themill: just a mom |
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| 00:31.23 | eb0t | test |
| 00:31.34 | seekr | gnarface: Are you sure that when I abort from the writing random stuff operation it won't leave the partition manager? I assume it's OK, but I'm a bit fearful. I'm thinking of doing the LUKS/LVM setup, defining the root fs and then, just for the fun of it, seeing if I can get a shell (which I won't really need at this point, since I don't really need a cpu speedup for what remains). |
| 00:31.36 | zacts | freeuser0814: the netinstall iso |
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| 00:32.31 | seekr | gnarface: also, will it be obvious how to create the LVM on the new LUKS partition (assuming that's what gets made)? |
| 00:32.49 | gnarface | seekr: to be honest i'm fairly sure it will leave the partition manager... but it shouldn't be a big deal because you can restart the partition manager (or any other step of the install) at will.. can't you? |
| 00:33.01 | freeuser0814 | zacts: all right, but TAKE CARE, if you REALLY want a PLAIN TEXT install cd (with NO graphical install possibility at all), netinstall may NOT meet your requirements |
| 00:33.18 | izanagi | so, just to be sure: the fact that I deleted all the 1st level files in /etc/ and the server froze, and now it doesn't start, probably means my installation of Debian on that machine is totally lost?. EVEN IF I have all the erased files on a USB stick and could copy them back from a Live boot? |
| 00:33.29 | gnarface | seekr: maybe what you're trying would be easier if you installed in "expert mode" |
| 00:33.29 | freeuser0814 | twostone: PERFECT! thank you, THAT's IT :-) |
| 00:34.07 | freeuser0814 | themill: classic error, i oversaw it, because twostone's reply was not *red* |
| 00:34.30 | seekr | gnarface: could be, but my immediate problem is getting the partition table written |
| 00:34.35 | freeuser0814 | themill: thank you and sorry. twostone's answer was just fine :-) problem solved :-) |
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| 00:35.18 | zacts | freeuser0814: the standard live-cd iso? |
| 00:35.22 | zacts | or rescue? |
| 00:35.37 | zacts | I want to also be able to build software with it |
| 00:35.39 | freeuser0814 | zacts: standard live-cd iso is just fine |
| 00:35.53 | zacts | I'm using it for bedrocklinux.org |
| 00:36.01 | zacts | as a base installation disc |
| 00:36.11 | freeuser0814 | zacts: >I< also downloaded it 2-3 weeks ago. |
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| 00:36.42 | zacts | bedrock? |
| 00:37.01 | seekr | gnarface: another option would be to use one of the 20GB partitions I defined to try out various Linux flavours for the root - at least temporarily (maybe even for a longer period - is 20GB enough for a root fs?). |
| 00:37.12 | freeuser0814 | zacts: you *can* choose the text install mode THEN, you know, grub is being loaded and so on and then you choose the installation mode |
| 00:37.27 | freeuser0814 | hope this is true ;-) |
| 00:37.41 | gnarface | seekr: it depends a lot on what you're doing with it... |
| 00:37.59 | themill | zacts: be very clear as to whether you want a live cd (in which case you should download the live cd) or the debian installer (in which case you should download an installer image) |
| 00:38.00 | seekr | gnarface: just as long as I can get back into the partitioning mode later and make a change if I want to. |
| 00:38.31 | gnarface | seekr: 20GB should be plenty unless you have a lot of games or raw video |
| 00:38.32 | zacts | a LIVE CD - I'm going to install a new linux distro bedrocklinux.org using the LIVE CD. similar to an arch linux install. |
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| 00:39.01 | seekr | gnarface: re the fs size matter - yeah, I know - I don't really need to install all that much - anyway 20 GB will have to do for now, I guess. I'm not a gamer at all - no time for gamez. |
| 00:39.02 | themill | zacts: So just to be clear, you want a live image from live.debian.net, not the netinstall. |
| 00:39.05 | freeuser0814 | zacts: if you are an advanced user and thus have advanced requirements, you COULD and porbably will have to customize EVERYTHING :-) |
| 00:39.21 | freeuser0814 | s/porbably/probably/ |
| 00:39.34 | zacts | I'm an advanced user. all I need are things like make gcc g++ |
| 00:40.07 | zacts | I would use the arch linux installer, but there is a bug with it. I think that debian is more stable. |
| 00:40.47 | zacts | btw bedrock is a hybrid distro. it allows you to use debian packages / ubuntu packages / gentoo emerge packages / arch linux packages. |
| 00:40.59 | zacts | I'm using debian as a base for it |
| 00:41.41 | freeuser0814 | themill: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 00:41.53 | themill | freeuser0814: I don't need the link... |
| 00:42.01 | freeuser0814 | those are live images, right? please correct me if I'm wrong.. |
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| 00:42.21 | themill | zacts: sounds hideous. All the disadvantages of dealing with packages yourself and none of the advantages of having stable package management done for you. |
| 00:42.26 | freeuser0814 | you wrote he could burn anything, but it doesnt turn it into a live cd, you remember |
| 00:42.28 | freeuser0814 | ? |
| 00:42.37 | seekr | gnarface: I should also ask (others are invite to comment also) whether "xfs" is a good choice for file system type (this is for the non-encrypted root partitions). I've been using Reiserfs, but don't see it listed as an option (has Reiserfs died after Herr Reiser's wife did, or what?)? |
| 00:42.40 | themill | freeuser0814: sure. You were telling him to burn the netinst. |
| 00:42.54 | zacts | themill: :-) yes but interesting and fun |
| 00:43.04 | freeuser0814 | themill: aaaa yea, that true, but thank god he is downloading the desktop image :-) |
| 00:43.28 | freeuser0814 | zacts: i confirm 100% :-) and FULLY recommend it! |
| 00:43.32 | gnarface | seekr: its just not a supported install option anymore, at least not outside of expert mode (maybe not at all anymore actually) but you can install the tools and use it still |
| 00:43.48 | freeuser0814 | zacts just make sure this is the right time and you're relaxed ;-) |
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| 00:44.13 | freeuser0814 | zacts: take the time and you'll have a lots of fun and LEARN new cool things |
| 00:44.17 | gnarface | seekr: xfs will feel a bit primitive, but it excels in some interesting corner cases.... |
| 00:44.33 | freeuser0814 | zacts: then you'll switch to a "real" gnu/linux, ideally :P |
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| 00:45.29 | gnarface | seekr: generally they will tell you, when in doubt use ext4 |
| 00:46.06 | seekr | gnarface: ok - but do you have any thoughts or can you refer me somewhere for info on tradeoffs among xfs, jfs, ext4, etc? |
| 00:46.57 | freeuser0814 | s/\"real\"/fully\ free/ |
| 00:47.16 | gnarface | seekr: you'll have to google for anything recent really, and if you find something good let me know. i can tell you that xfs has a larger max single file size cap, and does pretty well with large files and streaming lots of data, but (much like reiserfs) does very poorly with large deletions |
| 00:47.38 | seekr | gnarface: ah - thanks |
| 00:47.46 | gnarface | seekr: ext4 should have improved in performance a lot lately though i think compared to the conventional wisdom about it |
| 00:48.44 | gnarface | seekr: contrastingly from reiserfs though, xfs does poorly with large deletions of subdirectory structures with lots of files in them |
| 00:48.50 | gnarface | instead of large single files |
| 00:49.17 | abrotman | seekr: if you odn't know, use ext4 |
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| 00:51.05 | gnarface | seekr: other interesting things about xfs; you have to run a cron job if you want defragging, and you get to manually set how much ram it uses for indexing (default i think is 64kb) |
| 00:51.07 | zacts | freeuser0814: debian is free enough for me |
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| 00:52.11 | gnarface | seekr: and you can change configurations to speed deletions but at the potential cost of journaling integrity in the event of power outage/hardware failure |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | the power outage bug has been fixed for ages |
| 00:52.40 | freeuser0814 | zacts: i believe its "free" for 99% of the users >:-))) |
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| 00:52.57 | gnarface | good to know.. |
| 00:52.58 | seekr | gnarface: so much to think about - does ext4 still use a "lost+found" directory? I assume it does journaling and good recovery after a crash. |
| 00:53.15 | freeuser0814 | zcats: i have several wheezy (SMP kernel) installations and that's JUST FINE :-) |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | seekr: if you don't have a good reason to use something else, use ext4 |
| 00:53.22 | freeuser0814 | zcats: BUT |
| 00:53.42 | gnarface | seekr: it does journaling but you can turn it off. by default it also reserves 5% of the disk space and yes, still uses lost+found |
| 00:53.48 | seekr | abrotman: yeah - that idea seems to be the "common wisdom" I'm getting from gnarface. |
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| 00:53.57 | gnarface | seekr: and all the *e2fs tools still pretty much support it |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | yeah, but mine is less drawn out :) |
| 00:54.16 | seekr | gnarface: Are you saying that ext4 does auto-defragging? |
| 00:54.27 | gnarface | seekr: i think so... abrotman ? |
| 00:54.36 | freeuser0814 | zcats: *my* main workstation ain't free enough (this is however more a philosophy than a "real" advantage or disadvantage) |
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| 00:55.13 | abrotman | gnarface: not sure, but fragmentation is minimal with ext* generally |
| 00:55.27 | freeuser0814 | zcats: i hope i'm allowed to provide you a useful link, check www.gnu.org and you'll know more :-) |
| 00:56.28 | gnarface | seekr: the conventional wisdom with ext* is that they are designed to make fragmentation irrelevant, but if you really want to stricly defragment something you could always tar it then untar it :-D |
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| 00:57.33 | freeuser0814 | zcats: the most interesting thing is that debian (wheezy) IS actually really free(!), but just because it's relatively easy to add >>> non-free <<< sources to the sources.list file, it ain't a free linux like it's got to be referring to the gnu people :-) |
| 00:57.51 | freeuser0814 | i'really free after the default install |
| 00:58.02 | seekr | gnarface: somehow I don't see myself doing such a thing - I'd prefer letting things get very fragged before thinking of such an option - I'll take your word for ext4 making fragging a non-worry |
| 00:58.42 | abrotman | freeuser0814: i think he gets the idea ... |
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| 00:58.53 | nonconvergent | I just installed openjdk-7-jdk |
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| 00:59.23 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: thank YOU so much for actually agreeing with me, right? :-) |
| 00:59.32 | nonconvergent | but what javac points at it's java compiler, java points at the sun java 6 jvm I think. |
| 00:59.56 | themill | dpkg: tell nonconvergent about update-java-alternatives |
| 01:00.03 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: i did not intend to *further* write about it, that's it :-) gotta enough things to do here... |
| 01:00.46 | seekr | gnarface: another question I might as well ask is how to go about installing windoze such that it is grub-selectable - I've done such a thing before, but it's been a long time. I do plan to install windoze under VirtualBox, but there might be times when I'd want to boot the machine in a native windoze mode for better efficiency. Is it better to do the windoze installation first, or can it wait until later? |
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| 01:01.14 | seekr | gnarface: there may be a how-to somewhere for this one |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | seekr: install windows first, then install Linux |
| 01:01.43 | seekr | abrotman: ah - ok - reason? |
| 01:02.04 | abrotman | because it works |
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| 01:02.57 | seekr | So I guess that's another reason to reboot after I finish the partitioning, abrotman, gnarface |
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| 01:03.26 | SilverSlimer | hey guys |
| 01:03.45 | seekr | abrotman: So we just allow the LInux installer to overwrite whatever it is that the win installer writes into the mbr |
| 01:04.03 | SilverSlimer | upon installation, does debian have even a single non-free package (including the firmware stallman complains about)? |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | seekr: yes |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | SilverSlimer: shouldn't |
| 01:04.29 | seekr | abrotman: and grub will handle the rest |
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| 01:04.45 | gnarface | seekr: it shouldnt' be difficult but i haven't tried it in more than a decade |
| 01:04.55 | izanagisan | I'm getting a segfault when trying to go to runlevel: s |
| 01:04.56 | izanagisan | http://i.imgur.com/PB5QcXH.jpg |
| 01:05.01 | SilverSlimer | abrotman: thanks. i guess my own installation of libdvdcss2 and handbrake would count as the only non-free stuff i have |
| 01:05.06 | izanagisan | can anyone help me with that? |
| 01:05.18 | seekr | gnarface: yeah - it's been at least a half decade in my case |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | SilverSlimer: libdvdcss2 is open source |
| 01:05.47 | themill | As is handbrake |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | SilverSlimer: install vrms if you want to know |
| 01:06.05 | SilverSlimer | what does vrms do? |
| 01:06.20 | SilverSlimer | oh, just looked it up |
| 01:06.26 | SilverSlimer | nice, i always wondered if such a thing existed |
| 01:06.28 | themill | SilverSlimer: I wouldn't bother with vrms; /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 01:06.32 | seekr | gnarface: I think I may have had enough problems that I put windoze onto a physically separate disk, let it do what it wanted with the mbr and used the bios to define the device from which to boot (cowardly way out, I know :) ) |
| 01:07.08 | SilverSlimer | wow, not a single non-free package |
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| 01:07.41 | SilverSlimer | i've finally found my computing sweet spot |
| 01:07.43 | SilverSlimer | long live debian |
| 01:09.11 | gnarface | claps |
| 01:09.22 | rryoumaa | SilverSlimer: there is a bug against one of the font libraries depended upon by 0ad that they are owned by adobe, but i don't know anything about it |
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| 01:10.24 | SilverSlimer | the one problem i have though is wine. i have the sid repositories enabled and already updated everything, however when i install wine, it doesn't appear anywhre in the applications and typing wine in the terminal says the command is not found |
| 01:10.28 | SilverSlimer | a sid related problem? |
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| 01:14.16 | SilverSlimer | let's see if a reboot helps |
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| 01:15.53 | rryoumaa | this was the discussion i referred to: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/mass-bug-filling-about-proprietary-code-adobe-our-type1-fonts-help-209631302.html?page=3 |
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| 01:18.02 | freeuser0814 | themill: twostone's (ntop) approach/suggestion for a "network-bandwidth-monitoring" is really *proper* network-bandwidth-monitoring software, it FANTASTIC, for me, at least :-) |
| 01:18.24 | freeuser0814 | themill: unfortunately I cannot "thank" him right now, gonna try it again |
| 01:18.55 | freeuser0814 | themill: do you ideally know a more *compact* *shell-only* ntop like tool? :-) |
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| 01:20.44 | rryoumaa | ntop just errors for me |
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| 01:20.57 | rryoumaa | fatal error binding problem shutting down |
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| 01:21.16 | freeuser0814 | rryouma, are you serious? do you also need such tool like i need? |
| 01:21.27 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: see above |
| 01:21.52 | rryoumaa | just was curious and tried it |
| 01:21.52 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: I got it up and running! |
| 01:22.07 | freeuser0814 | rryouma: you got to tell ntop on which port to listen(!) |
| 01:22.26 | freeuser0814 | rryouma: do you have apache2 already installed? |
| 01:22.42 | rryoumaa | no |
| 01:23.02 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: THAT is the reason i ASK for a MORE *COMPACT* tool, text-only and so on |
| 01:23.11 | freeuser0814 | that's a problem... potentially |
| 01:23.17 | freeuser0814 | i started it like following: |
| 01:23.43 | cwillu_at_work | how's the compatibility re: having upstart jobs for a subset of packages when using upstart, or systemd jobs when...? |
| 01:23.50 | freeuser0814 | $ sudo ntop -w 30303 |
| 01:23.52 | cwillu_at_work | (sysv compatibility is not what I'm asking about) |
| 01:23.54 | freeuser0814 | what a shame ;-)) |
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| 01:24.14 | cwillu_at_work | "uptake" would be a better word I guess |
| 01:24.30 | freeuser0814 | i always try everything on ubuntu first, before i install it on my wheezys :-) |
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| 01:24.38 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: are you using Debian? |
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| 01:24.49 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, I will be, depending on the answer :p |
| 01:24.51 | rryoumaa | i could use a package that shows in real time what applications are using the net |
| 01:24.53 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: see my previous comment |
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| 01:25.11 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: TELL me that tool, PLEASE :-) |
| 01:25.14 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, I'm specifically asking about the packages in vanilla debian |
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| 01:26.04 | freeuser0814 | ntop is just too fat (YES, it IS VERY professional, but tooo fat for my wheezys, so I WON'T deploy it on any other machine) |
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| 01:26.53 | LinuxGuy2020 | Im having no luck getting transmission-daemon web interface to work at all unless I ssh into my server and restart the service. What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: the reason i ask is that neither upstart nor systemd are used by default in Debian |
| 01:27.18 | LinuxGuy2020 | Main thing I changed was the ip whitelist and download folder. |
| 01:27.23 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: when one has started ntop in the shell and provided port on which ntop will "show" all statistics, then one opens a web browser and open |
| 01:27.24 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, I'm aware of that |
| 01:27.27 | freeuser0814 | localhost:30303 |
| 01:27.51 | freeuser0814 | and there you go :-) pretty impressive :-) |
| 01:28.02 | rryoumaa | freeuser0814: ah |
| 01:28.05 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, does everyone using one or the other rewrite all the jobs the want to use without the sysv compatibility stuff though? |
| 01:28.11 | cwillu_at_work | s/the/they/ |
| 01:28.17 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: yea man :P |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: I'm not aware of anyone currently using Debian using upstart, and few use systemd |
| 01:28.36 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: in fact, this is waaay too complicated |
| 01:29.14 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: actually i don't want to know it, but there may be a tiny https server IN the ntop package, lol |
| 01:29.37 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: so you don't need apache at all :-) |
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| 01:30.12 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:30.15 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, too bad though |
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| 01:31.52 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: last time i tried upstart, system didn't boot |
| 01:32.01 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: TAKE CARE, read the important security text info box! |
| 01:32.12 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, I'm familiar enough with it that, if necessary, I could easily write the required jobs |
| 01:32.18 | cwillu_at_work | but I'd rather not have to :p |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | not necessary .. upstart isn't needed anymore |
| 01:32.40 | cwillu_at_work | why so? |
| 01:32.50 | seekr | abrotman: does the win partition need to be the physically first one on the drive - I seem to recall such a thing from several years ago - maybe I'm misremembering or maybe things have changed since then? |
| 01:32.56 | rryoumaa | freeuser0814: i did not notice one. was it in a readme? |
| 01:32.58 | cwillu_at_work | does writing a new sysvinit job still require 60 lines of boilerplate? :) |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | seekr: no |
| 01:33.18 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: at least it works .. |
| 01:33.24 | cwillu_at_work | abrotman, so does upstart |
| 01:33.31 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: NO! it was when you start ntop WITHOUT providing a port where ntop should listen on! |
| 01:33.45 | seekr | abrotman: tnx |
| 01:33.48 | freeuser0814 | i didnt read the readme though (what a shame) |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: as previously stated, it didn't when I tried it |
| 01:34.24 | cwillu_at_work | I'm curious what you meant when you said it's not necessary thuogh |
| 01:34.37 | cwillu_at_work | sure, in the strict sense, neither upstart nor systemd was ever necessary |
| 01:34.46 | cwillu_at_work | and if that's all you mean, then I'll be on my way :) |
| 01:34.54 | themill | we should be using daemontools instead! |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | cwillu_at_work: you're welcome to help fix the bugs facing both, they have many |
| 01:35.06 | freeuser0814 | rryouma: the data is possibly public-accessible (if not running in a secure environment) |
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| 01:35.29 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: sorry, i forgot the second "a" (again) |
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| 01:42.05 | seekr | abrotman: the 400GB encrypted partition I created yesterday appears to be causing problems - I'm trying to finish the partitioning process, but I get a warning saying that since there's no mount point for the partition (which I assume will get formatted later - I never was given a choice for an fs type) - I took the option to return to the main partitioning menu, but I find that I'm unable to set a mount point - another red screen saying that the partition is |
| 01:42.06 | seekr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.26 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: start with default page (aboutNtop.html -> About) |
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| 01:44.53 | freeuser0814 | seekr: don't know if i can help, but HOW did/do you try to encrypt? |
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| 01:46.14 | seekr | freeuser0814: I not only tried, I seemed to succeed - I selected the "physical volume for encryption" option in the installer's "Partition disks" menu |
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| 01:48.28 | freeuser0814 | <*reading/thinking* |
| 01:50.05 | reavengrey | Got a kernel panic |
| 01:50.10 | reavengrey | ...not sure I care gg |
| 01:50.17 | seekr | Freeaqingme_: hmmm - I see the partition is listed in another section also, where it seems I can do other ops on it, like select a fs type and mount point - maybe I can fix things |
| 01:52.12 | seekr | freeuser0814: I don't have LVM defined under LUKS which is presumably the encryption method (or layer or whatever it is), and am wondering whether LVM should be in there, and if so how to insert it |
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| 01:52.36 | rryoumaa | freeuser0814: i didn't bother. it's too heavyweight for me according to your description. |
| 01:53.22 | rryoumaa | but i was curious whether it showed packet contents or showed what processes were using the net, is all |
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| 01:54.26 | seekr | freeuser0814: oh - I see there is a "physical volume for LVM" option - so I guess if I define the LVM it would be added to the main config menu and I could then define an actual fs on it (?) |
| 01:54.28 | freeuser0814 | rryoumaa: thank you for the valuable feedback. heavyweight? 100% d'accord :-) |
| 01:54.57 | freeuser0814 | rryouma: do you KNOW or HAVE a LIGHTWEIGHT tool doing simplest stats, like iostat -m ? |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell freeuser0814 about capslock |
| 01:55.24 | freeuser0814 | seekr: i tried to FOLLOW your thread, but half is no more in the history :( |
| 01:56.00 | freeuser0814 | seekr: PLEASE desribe your ISSUE in 1(!) sentence (it sounds you're changing the requirements "on the fly" "right now" ?! |
| 01:56.11 | seekr | I can extract it and give it to you in a pm, if you're up for it |
| 01:56.23 | freeuser0814 | abrotsman: sorry for trying to precisely HELP this guy! |
| 01:56.49 | seekr | freeuser0814: not really changing req'ts, just getting deeper into the implications of certain decisions I've already made :) |
| 01:56.57 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: maybe that was bad idea... i try to concretely help, someone bothers about caps and stuff |
| 01:58.32 | freeuser0814 | seekr: exactly, i "lost" the beginning. the problem is current? you wrote about partitions, lvms, luks, and stuff... do you want to destroy data or install operating system or make room for something? don't answer if you don't want. sorry for potentially wasting your time :P |
| 01:58.44 | tw | how can I use partuuid with cryptsetup instead of device path? |
| 01:59.16 | tw | Should I just specify /dev/disk/by-partuuid/<UUID> as the device or is there a more sane way of doing it? |
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| 01:59.50 | seekr | freeuser0814: The brief description is that I have a 400 GB partition already created (this is separate from the one I plan to create later). My only remaining question, I think, is whether I should define a LUKS thing underneath it or go straight to a fs living within the LUKS container. |
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| 02:00.28 | abrotman | is there anything on it? |
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| 02:00.52 | ghena1986 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.56 | seekr | abrotman: Is that question for me? |
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| 02:01.15 | seekr | abrotman: maybe you're talking to tw. |
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| 02:01.51 | candypants | hi can anyone help me to get my wifi working, i cant connect to my AP but i can eifi tether off my phone just fine. |
| 02:01.57 | somiaj | glares at the spammer GhostInTheShell |
| 02:02.03 | somiaj | arg ghena1968 |
| 02:02.05 | tw | mine shouldn't matter whether there is contents or not. partition has a uuid. |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | somiaj: already gone |
| 02:02.17 | JodaZ | can i periodically sync time without having a service running ? like with a cronjob ? |
| 02:02.27 | somiaj | abrotman: yea my tab completion told me that, I ignore JOINS/QUITS |
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| 02:02.44 | tw | JodaZ: run ntpdate on a cron. |
| 02:03.09 | freeuser0814 | seekr: all right! great idea. but that's not that easy, sorry, can't help. I've been thinking realizing almost same idea, but still not that far(!), I don't have a concrete plan BUT I want to do it right. Maybe next month or so :-) |
| 02:03.18 | rgwu | Jodaz: ntpdate -u <time server> |
| 02:03.25 | candypants | does anyone know if deb support atheros ar9458 cards? |
| 02:03.27 | rgwu | in a cron job |
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| 02:03.38 | seekr | freeuser0814: maybe the main advantage to LVM within LUKS is that I could create several file systems inside the encrypted physical partition, which may not be important in my case |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | candypants: does linux? |
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| 02:04.36 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: definitley(!) (normally i'd write definitely in big letters in this case(!). you are (unneccessary?) interrupting me while i'm trying to help somebody. eod. *please* |
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| 02:04.57 | tw | seekr: If you're only doing 1 partition in the LUKS, don't LVM unless you think you might want two partitions later. |
| 02:05.14 | seekr | freeuser0814: If you're talking about LVM within LUKS as the "great idea," it's not an original idea - it's how Debian installed several years ago when I used the standard installer. One good article I found, which also compares that scheme with LUKS within LVM, is at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt_with_LUKS |
| 02:06.12 | freeuser0814 | seekr: (maybe the...) yeaaah! this makes it even more complicated, and it's not the *half* of the work, right? :-) |
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| 02:06.18 | seekr | tw: yeah - that's what I'm gathering - LVM seems unnecessary |
| 02:06.26 | somiaj | candypants: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k#Supported_Devices -- I see an AR9485 not AR9458 |
| 02:06.27 | tw | Just extra overhead for you. |
| 02:06.38 | somiaj | candypants: but if linux supports it you can get it to work on debian |
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| 02:07.32 | seekr | tw: right - though one can resize filesystems using LVM, I think - maybe also create an encrypted swap partition, but maybe there are better ways to set up encrypted swap |
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| 02:08.28 | tw | random swap keys at boot is probably better. |
| 02:08.32 | freeuser0814 | seekr: *Thank You man* |
| 02:08.52 | seekr | freeuser0814: glad to turn you on to a new idea :) |
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| 02:09.25 | freeuser0814 | seekr: full success :-) gotta read it, it *definitely* will speed up *my* progress :-) |
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| 02:10.31 | seekr | freeuser0814, tw, abrotman - I guess that LVM has to be smart enough to change things around in the superblocks of whatever sorts of file systems can be supported if it's able to grow and shrink them |
| 02:10.31 | freeuser0814 | seekr: do you mean following setup at your site? harddisk>lvm>ext4>luks encr/ecr.fs ? |
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| 02:10.44 | freeuser0814 | seek: *please* answer the previous :P |
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| 02:10.47 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 02:10.47 | dpkg | aw, gee, jetscreamer |
| 02:10.59 | tw | no, he means hd>luks>lvm>fs |
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| 02:11.06 | tw | with optional LVM. |
| 02:11.18 | freeuser0814 | seekr: nice plan anyway, wish you *good* luck with it :-) |
| 02:11.19 | seekr | freeuser0814: not that many layers, at most it would be fs within lvm within luks within physical partition |
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| 02:11.56 | freeuser0814 | seekr: all right, almost right. complicated stuff anyway. fantastic :-) |
| 02:12.13 | seekr | tw: you got it right! |
| 02:12.20 | freeuser0814 | tw: b |
| 02:12.22 | freeuser0814 | :-) |
| 02:12.40 | freeuser0814 | tw: the "b" was meant for you correction :-) |
| 02:12.48 | candypants | ** Message: wlan0: NAK |
| 02:12.49 | candypants | ** Message: wlan0: BOUND |
| 02:12.49 | candypants | ** Message: wlan0: Configured 192.168.1.20/24 |
| 02:12.49 | candypants | ** Message: Status changed to connected |
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| 02:12.53 | freeuser0814 | tw: thanks for the comfirm man! |
| 02:12.53 | tw | you mean not hdd>lvm>drbd>dm-cache>luks>lvm>fs? why not? |
| 02:13.03 | freeuser0814 | tw: :-) |
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| 02:13.41 | freeuser0814 | tw: ooooooooooh mmmmmyyyyyyyyyyy gggooooooooodddddddd 888-)) |
| 02:13.56 | candypants | hi can anyone help me to get my wifi working, i cant connect to my AP but i can wifi tether off my phone just fine. |
| 02:14.05 | freeuser0814 | hope my previous expression is not forbidden or something XD |
| 02:14.14 | themill | glares at freeuser0814 |
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| 02:14.29 | freeuser0814 | themill: what does *that* mean? |
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| 02:15.12 | freeuser0814 | tw: it's even even more more complicated than i've thought by now 8-) thank you bro' :-) |
| 02:15.36 | seekr | tw, freeuser0814 - trouble is, the partition tool in the installer will only let me get as far as creating an lvm within the luks parftition - I don't know how to create an fs inside the lvm - maybe I have to do it manually at some later stage? |
| 02:15.47 | freeuser0814 | tw: nice approach, motivating, inspirative, everything :-) |
| 02:16.16 | tw | freeuser is the best markov generator. |
| 02:16.30 | seekr | tw, freeuser0814 - I recall in the past installing Debian with the root fs under lvm under luks and root fs under luks under lvm - and it wasn't all that difficult. |
| 02:16.50 | freeuser0814 | please *stop* |
| 02:16.52 | freeuser0814 | XD |
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| 02:17.07 | seekr | freeuser0814: just sayin' :) |
| 02:17.09 | freeuser0814 | i can't take it anymore! i'm serious! XD |
| 02:17.12 | tw | seekr: If you've used the lvm tool to make LVs, you can select those partitions for use. |
| 02:17.20 | tw | "partitions" |
| 02:17.31 | freeuser0814 | brain panic :) |
| 02:17.37 | seekr | tw: hmm - ok |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | freeuser0814: feel free to /part if you can't handle the channel |
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| 02:19.30 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: i simply *don't* understand you and the dpkg, sorry for that though |
| 02:19.40 | freeuser0814 | at all |
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| 02:19.49 | abrotman | the dpkg is a bot .. it's not complicated |
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| 02:20.05 | tw | I'm pretty sure freeuser is too <.< |
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| 02:20.25 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: i know what is bot, but i don't *understand* da.n! |
| 02:20.30 | tw | like 90+% |
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| 02:20.45 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: do you want me to use google translator? this is the moment i leave... |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | freeuser0814: you're nearly exit velocity |
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| 02:20.59 | freeuser0814 | abrotman: yea yea |
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| 02:21.58 | Th0masR0ss | runs |
| 02:22.21 | freeuser0814 | :] |
| 02:22.48 | Th0masR0ss | markov bot? |
| 02:24.35 | tw | That's what I was thinking. |
| 02:24.47 | Th0masR0ss | I agree. |
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| 02:24.55 | freeuser0814 | tw: complicated... relativity... NObody can tell *exactly* :P > I < can't tell exactly :P |
| 02:25.39 | freeuser0814 | wait! i guess i was (and am) thinking the same, but i won't go googlin' for it, *never* |
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| 02:26.35 | seekr | Now I'm trying to exit the partition manager of the installer and I'm being warned that the swap space I defined is unsafe since it's not encrypted. I went back to the main partition menu and selected the partition, but I don't see any option to make it an encrypted swap partition. |
| 02:26.53 | freeuser0814 | rtuy... dpkg -> confusing, /part <- wtf? velocity <- wtf? |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | freeuser0814: please stop acting like that |
| 02:27.32 | Th0masR0ss | bye! |
| 02:27.37 | Th0masR0ss | ducks |
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| 02:27.48 | seekr | Do I maybe need to play the same game and manually define a LUKS partition and then make a swap partition underneath? |
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| 02:33.13 | seekr | How do I create an encrypted swap partition using the installer? |
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| 02:35.23 | seekr | I see a how-to at http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/encrypted-swap-partition-on/ , but it requires a running system. If the partition manager is complaining about my having created an "unsafe" swap partition, there must be some easy way to create a "safe" one, eh? |
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| 02:36.12 | wr_badman | hello |
| 02:36.46 | dvs | stays away from the "bad man" |
| 02:37.00 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ok I edited /etc/rc.local and added "service transmission-daemon restart" and now when I boot my server the web ui connects and everything is cool, it works. Question is why does it work. What was the original issue? The order of services started or what? Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. |
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| 02:38.04 | somiaj | seekr: Not that experience with encryption. But it is just the swap partition, you could finish the install get a running system, and then encrypt it at that time (unless you really want to figure out how to do it with the installer) |
| 02:38.39 | LinuxGuy2020 | The service is running as user debian-transmission at initial start and after restart. |
| 02:38.54 | seekr | somiaj: thanks, I think I do want to do it with the installer, or else report a problem with the installer, since there's something wrong with how it's set up |
| 02:39.49 | seekr | I don't recall getting any warning about an unsafe swap area in previous Debian installs, but it's been a few years since I've last done an install, so things could have changed since then. |
| 02:40.20 | LinuxGuy2020 | What file on the system determines which order services are started in? |
| 02:40.36 | abrotman | there is no file |
| 02:40.56 | Dan39 | hmm the new tab completion defaults in wheezy are quite annoying. it wont complete with a lot of stuff, like if i do python ~/.. it will only tab complete .py files and nothing else |
| 02:41.29 | seekr | I know I can proceed, ignoring the warning, but if I'm being advised by the installer to go back and "configure an encrypted swap space," there must be some fairly obvious way to do so - it's just not obvious to me at the moment. |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | oh, that's right, not supposed to help him |
| 02:41.51 | LinuxGuy2020 | abrotman: suck it |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 02:42.33 | hanasaki | is there a way to see the dns queries as they hit the named server? |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | hanasaki: you can log all queries if you choose |
| 02:42.51 | abrotman | bind has a logging facility |
| 02:43.09 | hanasaki | abrotman: I did "-d 90" and nothing in the logs |
| 02:43.15 | somiaj | seekr: everything I saw in google suggested that you can set up an encyrpted swap from the installer. |
| 02:43.44 | seekr | somiaj: do you have a url for a page that gives an actual recipe for doing so? |
| 02:43.54 | abrotman | hanasaki: did you configre it to actually log? |
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| 02:44.08 | somiaj | seekr: I saw no recipie for it, just mention that it does |
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| 02:44.17 | hanasaki | abrotman: lol maybe not........... not sure how to do that.... |
| 02:44.37 | seekr | somiaj: hmmm - well, I'll poke around some more - maybe I'll figure it out - thanks, in any case |
| 02:44.47 | abrotman | hanasaki: this is using Bind, correct? |
| 02:44.47 | hanasaki | abrotman: says logging {..... a lot of stuff at "debug" |
| 02:44.54 | hanasaki | bind9 yes abrotman |
| 02:44.59 | socomm | hanasaki: packet sniffer? |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | hanasaki: paste your bind logging config part? |
| 02:45.25 | hanasaki | abrotman: where? |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 02:45.42 | somiaj | seekr: from what I saw, seems setting the swap as encrypted is no different than any other partition |
| 02:45.56 | socomm | hanasaki: http://paste.debian.net |
| 02:45.58 | hanasaki | abrotman: command lne is "-d 9" |
| 02:46.05 | abrotman | so you said .. |
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| 02:46.34 | hanasaki | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8e805c08/ |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | loves the hidden pastes in the public channel |
| 02:47.12 | hanasaki | too |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | hanasaki: you can just skip the channel stuff? |
| 02:47.39 | abrotman | erm, category stuff |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | I think you can probably just have the file and severity |
| 02:47.58 | hanasaki | abrotman: it's the default from the wheezy install |
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| 02:48.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:48.49 | seekr | somiaj: There's no option to create an encrypted swap partition, but I can define a partition as a "physical volume for encryption" and then use that volume for a swap area, which is what I'm gonna try now - I'm using a random key, which I hope will prevent me from being prompted for a password at boot time. |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | hanasaki: and nothing in the log file with -d 9? |
| 02:49.57 | hanasaki | abrotman: hmmm looks not good -> double domain.... query-errors: client 127.0.0.1#48615: query failed (SERVFAIL) for www.home.hanaden.com.home.hanaden.com/IN/A at query.c:5847 |
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| 02:50.10 | hanasaki | abrotman: lol on the logs... my bad.. thought it would be in syslog |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | hanasaki: instead of the file named in the stanza? |
| 02:50.43 | hanasaki | abrotman: :) my bad |
| 02:50.55 | hanasaki | abrotman: what do you make of the log line I pasted? |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | hanasaki: it's sneaky like that |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | hanasaki: what if you query for yahoo.com ? |
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| 02:51.50 | reavengrey | I'm the best btw |
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| 02:51.58 | hanasaki | abrotman: external to my dns is fine... its just my dns |
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| 02:52.19 | abrotman | somiaj: i won that battle! |
| 02:52.25 | dvs | abrotman's psychic! |
| 02:52.35 | metrix | If I have the following in my sources: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable main contrib non-free" then I should be on the latest debian stable correct? |
| 02:52.35 | jned | what happenned? |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | jned: ? |
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| 02:52.55 | jned | ban |
| 02:52.58 | hanasaki | metrix: yes I think so |
| 02:53.02 | abrotman | metrix: you probalby want to point at 'wheezy', not 'stable' |
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| 02:53.06 | abrotman | jned: onjoinspammer |
| 02:53.21 | jned | oh |
| 02:53.25 | metrix | abrotman: What is the difference? I assume stable would guarantee a point to latest stable |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | metrix: currently, stable points at wheezy, when jessie releases, it will point at jessie .. surprise upgrades suck |
| 02:54.00 | hanasaki | abrotman: and I have been updating the dns serial |
| 02:54.05 | metrix | good point |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | hanasaki: you didn't answer about yahoo.com? is this authoratative or recursive? |
| 02:55.00 | hanasaki | authoritative for my internal domains.... external like yahoo.com looks up fine through this server |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | hanasaki: is there something in your /etc/resolv.conf that might be doing this? |
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| 02:56.06 | hanasaki | abrotman: nope... nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:56.06 | hanasaki | search home.hanaden.com |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | comment out the search line, try again |
| 02:56.56 | hanasaki | abrotman: no luck |
| 02:57.25 | hanasaki | query-errors: client 127.0.0.1#45964: query failed (SERVFAIL) for www.home.hanaden.com/IN/A at query.c:5847 |
| 02:57.28 | metrix | abrotman: I am suffering from the following bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675852 which states that package colord Version: 0.1.21-1 has a bug, and that Version 0.1.21-2 has fixed the bug... it looks like 0.2.21-2 never made it to Wheezy, what should I do? |
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| 02:58.56 | abrotman | hanasaki: looks better ... |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | metrix: you can backport the fix yourself? |
| 02:59.37 | hanasaki | abrotman: I am struggling with the syntax of the @ and IN |
| 02:59.52 | abrotman | hanasaki: I'm off to bed, you can keep trying here or try #dns |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell metrix about ssb |
| 03:00.37 | hanasaki | thanks abrotman |
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| 03:11.45 | phix | hey, any issues with bind mounting /var/cache/apt/archives to LXC guests? any security or locking implecations? |
| 03:12.17 | phix | also, another other directories that I should (or shouldn't) bind mount within an LXC? |
| 03:13.02 | phix | mounting /home in there ok? |
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| 03:13.39 | mrdeb | hi |
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| 03:13.51 | mrdeb | is chrome ok to use, or it kind of anti debian like firefox is vs iceweasel |
| 03:13.52 | phix | hai mrdeb |
| 03:14.28 | phix | Chrome is great to use! Although it will never be packaged with debian or made available on any official repositories |
| 03:14.45 | phix | but if you want to install it then we won't stop you :) |
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| 03:15.28 | rryoumaa | how secure/private is chromium compared to iceweasel? i was also wondering why there are no extensions for chromium in wheezy? |
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| 03:16.17 | mrdeb | im not gonna bother with chromium bec it doesnt come with flash or pdf plugin like chrome and is same size to dl |
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| 03:16.33 | mrdeb | i am just concerned about google's spying |
| 03:17.26 | Arrowmaster | there is a package to get the chrome flash plugin in chromium now |
| 03:17.39 | seekr | mrdeb: I was just contemplating making a similar comment, but was afraid to do so, since such comments have always brought down scorn when I've made them in the past (or at least an admonition that the concern is "off topic"). |
| 03:17.56 | Arrowmaster | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:18.46 | seekr | mrdeb: personally, I'd never use chrome - though there are denials about its "phone home" habits, I just don't trust G**gle, especially following recent revelations about its cooperation with the feds, etc. regarding user data |
| 03:19.55 | seekr | Are there any Debian install wizards here? I'm going crazy trying to figure out how to define a second encrypted volume - seems to be being handled differently than the first one, which got created smoothly. |
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| 03:22.13 | mrdeb | well i asked in offtopic but no one responses |
| 03:23.18 | rryoumaa | what do you do when you are on a web page that offers you a choice between windows media player and real player? |
| 03:23.32 | rryoumaa | is there a way to watch those? |
| 03:23.41 | mrdeb | yes, vlc plugin |
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| 03:27.22 | mrdeb | what about epiphany, is this a good browser like chromium |
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| 03:30.47 | mrdeb | seekr: you there |
| 03:30.58 | rryoumaa | mrdeb: thanks |
| 03:31.20 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 03:31.57 | jned | I see authbing and privbind, anyone tried them both, whats the diff |
| 03:32.23 | rryoumaa | is there a reason why tab mix plus is not compatible with iceweasel? did a security update break it? |
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| 03:36.09 | mrdeb | rryoumaa: probably not new enough browser version for it |
| 03:36.34 | nonconvergent | What can I use to test a USB webcam + mic? |
| 03:36.42 | EeeLo_ | there have something wrong with fglrx, how to uninstall it |
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| 03:37.25 | mrdeb | is cinnamon desktop stable on debian with their repor if i add it? |
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| 03:41.02 | Linuturk | anyone have a good recommendation on an irc daemon that's modern and well supported in the debian repos? |
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| 03:43.25 | phix | Linuturk: I use ircd-hybrid |
| 03:44.23 | Linuturk | phix: http://www.ircd-hybrid.org/ having trouble loading that? |
| 03:44.30 | Linuturk | i can't seem to get it to load |
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| 03:45.32 | Linuturk | phix: do you use it out of stable? security fixes prompt? |
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| 03:52.17 | nonconvergent | I've got a usb camera/mic that works fine when I test it in vlc and set capture to hw:2,0 |
| 03:52.30 | nonconvergent | I can't seem to get it to work however in a Google Hangout. |
| 03:54.25 | phix | Linuturk: stable |
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| 04:01.03 | Okee | anyone run evolution? I would like to change the grey color of the calendar program to white or a lighter color, and I don't know how to do this? |
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| 04:06.34 | Some_Person | I tried to install the nvidia proprietary driver using the exact instructions on the wiki, but I got this: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': no such device |
| 04:06.43 | Some_Person | That happens when trying to start X |
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| 04:11.00 | izanagisan | sooooo |
| 04:11.08 | izanagisan | i deleted all the first level files on /etc/ on a machine |
| 04:11.11 | izanagisan | restored MOST of them |
| 04:11.22 | izanagisan | except for /etc/passwd and /etc/groupshadow |
| 04:11.27 | izanagisan | how terrible is that? |
| 04:11.36 | izanagisan | is there ANY way at ALL to recover that system??? |
| 04:11.40 | eshy | don't reboot :P |
| 04:11.44 | izanagisan | why??? |
| 04:11.46 | izanagisan | I did already |
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| 04:11.48 | izanagisan | didn't go in |
| 04:11.52 | izanagisan | used file recovery software |
| 04:11.58 | izanagisan | from a live CD |
| 04:12.08 | izanagisan | that's how I got most of the /etc/ files back |
| 04:12.15 | eshy | you may have mild success making a copy of the passwd file from the cd, if one exists |
| 04:12.21 | eshy | at least it'll define default system users |
| 04:12.28 | eshy | but any more than that, i am not sure ... |
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| 04:12.45 | izanagisan | I got a 'brother' machine |
| 04:12.50 | izanagisan | with a passwd file and all those files |
| 04:12.53 | izanagisan | SAME root password |
| 04:13.05 | izanagisan | and mostly same users, except for maybe postfix and amavis users etc |
| 04:13.17 | izanagisan | I know I'm fucked but it's been hours upon hours of stress |
| 04:13.43 | izanagisan | eshy: I'm making an attempt of just copying 'passwd' from the 'brother' machine |
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| 04:14.32 | eshy | that should get you going, worse case you could single-user mode and roll all the passwords |
| 04:14.45 | izanagisan | I love those news |
| 04:16.14 | izanagisan | anyway I got passed the point where it previously crashed |
| 04:16.15 | somiaj | might just want to copy the personal users uids 1000+ over instead of the whole file. Some times system users get created with different uids which could cause issues |
| 04:16.21 | izanagisan | so, damn, this thing might just work |
| 04:16.26 | eshy | very true |
| 04:16.37 | nonconvergent | Anyone want to help me get a better sound out of microphone? |
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| 04:16.38 | izanagisan | somiaj: 100% thanks for the advice |
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| 04:17.17 | somiaj | nonconvergent: get a better mic? |
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| 04:18.08 | nonconvergent | It's sounds fine when I plug the same mic into my laptop, also running the same version of Debian. |
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| 04:18.14 | nonconvergent | Only the sound cards are different. |
| 04:18.20 | Some_Person | I tried to install the nvidia proprietary driver using the exact instructions on the wiki, but I got this: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': no such device |
| 04:19.09 | acu | where is the log of the boot scrollI - I run amd64 on an AMD A10 asus and I can see some errors during boot, I want to explore |
| 04:19.12 | somiaj | Some_Person: could you elaborate on what instructions you were following? Did you install the nvidia-kernel-dkms package? |
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| 04:19.25 | Some_Person | Yes, that's what I installed |
| 04:19.35 | Shadur | acu: Try typing dmesg |
| 04:19.49 | Some_Person | and I followed these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.88 |
| 04:20.52 | Some_Person | Removing the xorg.conf file created in those instructions allows X to load again, albeit using nouveau |
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| 04:21.19 | nonconvergent | I even duplicated the same results in alsamixer. |
| 04:21.26 | nonconvergent | With the same mic. |
| 04:21.48 | nonconvergent | But it's like a 40dB difference. |
| 04:21.48 | acu | Shadur, a lot of things show up, no the one I am looking for something about CPU, I know there is a /var/log for system boot, do not know which log is that |
| 04:22.36 | nonconvergent | I put capture on 65, digital on 25, and boost all the way off |
| 04:22.56 | Some_Person | What should I do? |
| 04:23.05 | nonconvergent | But on one I hear everything including keystrokes and the other I have shout to be heard. |
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| 04:23.29 | somiaj | Some_Person: did you blacklist the nouveau driver and restart? |
| 04:23.38 | Some_Person | somiaj: How do I do that? |
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| 04:25.44 | somiaj | Some_Person: echo 'blacklist nouveau' > /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-blacklist.conf |
| 04:25.46 | rryoumaa | my reasoning is this: if iceweasel were not new enough for tab mix plus, then the tab mix plus package would not be part of woody. that is why i guessed that it might be a security update that caused it. |
| 04:26.07 | somiaj | Some_Person: you could also add it to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file, but that way you have a unique file you can move/delete if you want to change it |
| 04:26.30 | somiaj | rryoumaa: woody? Are you using a time machine? |
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| 04:27.35 | rryoumaa | again, i meant wheezy |
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| 04:31.09 | somiaj | Some_Person: after you black list the nouveau driver and reboot, your xorg.conf should look like http://paste.debian.net/37763/ |
| 04:32.49 | Some_Person | I tried that, it didn't work. I don't think the blacklist worked since removing the xorg.conf made it load again with nouveau |
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| 04:36.33 | Some_Person | So now what? |
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| 04:41.03 | somiaj | Some_Person: what does 'modprobe nvidia' say? (check dmesg | tail after) |
| 04:41.18 | hanasaki | running kde - what controls the browser icedove launches? I set the controls in kde to iceweasle |
| 04:41.44 | somiaj | hanasaki: icedove has it's own configuration for that I belive |
| 04:41.47 | hanasaki | but konquer comes up |
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| 04:42.20 | somiaj | it might use the debian alternatives by default too |
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| 04:43.11 | hanasaki | somiaj: there used to be a "helper apps" |
| 04:44.32 | hanasaki | somiaj: where do you set debian alternatives? |
| 04:45.21 | somiaj | hanasaki: for me icedove -> edit -> preferences -> attachmens -> incomming -> set what http, htps, and other applications use |
| 04:46.26 | hanasaki | somiaj: only one thing.. xpinstall.. set to always ask |
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| 04:47.16 | somiaj | then add an option for http and https (I have them both set to chromium) |
| 04:47.41 | Some_Person | somiaj: http://www.pastebin.ca/2447297 |
| 04:48.26 | hanasaki | somiaj: there is no place to set it... this is not an attachement.. it's a link in an email |
| 04:48.43 | Some_Person | So I guess nouveau is still loading? |
| 04:48.48 | somiaj | that is the only place I see it set, yea I don't see a way to deal with it |
| 04:51.27 | hanasaki | somiaj: have a screen shot? there is no place to add http there |
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| 04:57.51 | somiaj | hanasaki: I don't see a place to add it, it is just there |
| 04:58.18 | hanasaki | have a screen shot? |
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| 05:00.57 | somiaj | hanasaki: check $HOME/.icedove/foo.default/mimeTypes.rdf -- it is set there |
| 05:01.03 | somiaj | hanasaki: note foo is some profile random string |
| 05:02.12 | somiaj | hanasaki: actually this way be easier |
| 05:02.15 | somiaj | hanasaki: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_browser#Setting_the_browser_that_opens_in_Thunderbird_-_Linux |
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| 05:05.12 | hanasaki | somiaj: thanks.. not pretty but workable :) |
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| 05:05.57 | asarch | How can I add another mime type to Nautilus? |
| 05:05.59 | somiaj | hanasaki: I'm as surprised as you it isn't hidden as a setting. But I have had this setting since I installed squeeze in the system. |
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| 05:06.13 | somiaj | asarch: right click on the file in question...I think there is an option there |
| 05:06.15 | asarch | There are so many versions of GNOME 3 that I cannot find any suitable for me |
| 05:06.16 | tw | tc question, Why does this only work for a minute or two before flaking out? http://pastebin.com/0WZd9kWE |
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| 05:06.33 | somiaj | asarch: in debain wheezy you get a single version of gnome. (: |
| 05:06.41 | asarch | No, there is no longer that option somiaj |
| 05:07.04 | asarch | It only shows a list with no "Add" button |
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| 05:07.32 | somiaj | hmm, try google. |
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| 05:10.40 | asarch | There are only solutions for Ubuntu |
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| 05:26.33 | rscnt | hi |
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| 05:33.37 | tw | how do I make an inverse match tc filter (or a fallthrough filter)? |
| 05:33.56 | tw | drr doesn't have a default flowid so I can't just give it nothing. |
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| 05:35.37 | rscnt | are you refering to the correct use of tc filter? |
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| 05:36.04 | tw | I want to assign a default using tc filter. |
| 05:36.10 | tw | This is what I'm doing so far: http://pastebin.com/0WZd9kWE |
| 05:36.21 | tw | But it stops working pretty much immediately and all my packets get dropped |
| 05:38.05 | tw | might have got it just now <.< |
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| 05:39.08 | tw | using protocol all instead of protocol ip w/ u32 match u8 0x00 0x00 seemed to do it. |
| 05:40.12 | codygman | Is xubuntu going to be using mir or XWayland? |
| 05:40.24 | codygman | or just plain ol' X? |
| 05:42.10 | rscnt | is debian planning to use wayland? |
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| 05:47.24 | MisterE | hey, Debian is hard yo |
| 05:47.37 | MisterE | got neckbeard 2.0 |
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| 05:52.27 | bodeezl | love debian |
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| 05:53.37 | xlinkz0 | hi, can I disable or do something to the MTA to make my VM boot faster? |
| 05:54.08 | aypea[1] | how slowly does your vm boot? it takes <10s for me. |
| 05:54.23 | xlinkz0 | it stays a lot on the MTA, >10s |
| 05:54.39 | aypea[1] | sounds like your networking/dns is buggered |
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| 05:54.58 | xlinkz0 | it is, but I'll never need to send mails to the internet with this VM |
| 05:55.09 | xlinkz0 | can i make it local only or something? |
| 05:55.11 | aypea[1] | then uninstall your mta daemon |
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| 05:55.24 | aypea[1] | or, yes, try to make it local only |
| 05:55.31 | aypea[1] | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:55.37 | aypea[1] | if you still have exim |
| 05:56.32 | xlinkz0 | how do i find out exactly what package it is? |
| 05:56.51 | aypea[1] | what does it say on bootup? |
| 05:57.00 | xlinkz0 | MTA |
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| 05:57.12 | aypea[1] | i'm sure it says more eventually |
| 05:57.30 | xlinkz0 | after that it takes 0.5seconds to get into login |
| 05:57.41 | aypea[1] | heh. hate that. |
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| 05:57.58 | aypea[1] | you probably have exim unless you selected something other. try the dpkg command above |
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| 05:58.39 | xlinkz0 | exim4 is installed |
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| 05:58.53 | aypea[1] | there you go |
| 05:58.59 | xlinkz0 | but i can't do exim4-config |
| 05:59.05 | aypea[1] | eh? |
| 05:59.09 | xlinkz0 | -bash: exim4-config: command not found |
| 05:59.15 | aypea[1] | I didn't say to do that |
| 05:59.21 | xlinkz0 | aaah |
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| 06:01.43 | xlinkz0 | worked, thanks ! |
| 06:01.53 | aypea[1] | no worries. boots faster, now, then? :) |
| 06:02.03 | xlinkz0 | yep |
| 06:02.09 | aypea[1] | sweet :) |
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| 06:02.27 | xlinkz0 | another annoying thing is when i ssh into the VM i get 'Using username "root".' |
| 06:02.36 | xlinkz0 | but it takes like 5 seconds before i can type the password |
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| 06:03.41 | aypea[1] | possibly dns stuff. possibly not. something to check out |
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| 06:04.44 | xlinkz0 | do you have any experience with running debian under windows with virtualbox? |
| 06:04.49 | xlinkz0 | can't get the damn internet to work :( |
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| 06:06.18 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: bridge, nat, hostonly? |
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| 06:09.54 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: are you using router or connected to hte ISP directly? |
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| 06:10.16 | xlinkz0 | w1ck3dg0ph3r: router |
| 06:10.35 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi #debian. I have debian 3.2 kernel for amd64 |
| 06:11.08 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: what does 'ifconfig -a' say? and how is interface set up in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 06:12.38 | xlinkz0 | w1ck3dg0ph3r: http://codepad.org/l75xa9Dh |
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| 06:14.05 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: and how did you figure internet wasnt working? |
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| 06:14.30 | xlinkz0 | ping google.ro |
| 06:14.32 | xlinkz0 | host not found |
| 06:14.37 | crabman | What exactly does a locale define in debian? |
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| 06:15.47 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: echo {your router ip, or isp's dns ip} > /etc/resovl.conf |
| 06:15.55 | themill | crabman: everything from what paper size to use, what currency symbol to use to what "alphabetical" order means. See locale(7). |
| 06:16.09 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: wrong, nameserver {ip}, i mean |
| 06:16.29 | xlinkz0 | i can't even ping 192.168.88.1 |
| 06:16.36 | xlinkz0 | it's not simply a dns problem |
| 06:17.33 | crabman | Is it possible to temporarilly change locale for a program so that I can copy its output for everyone to understand? |
| 06:17.49 | bodeezl | why cant i install ettercapp |
| 06:17.59 | themill | dpkg: tell crabman about localised errors |
| 06:18.03 | crabman | Because it's pretty difficult to google errors not in english |
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| 06:18.56 | themill | bodeezl: it's not in wheezy if that's what you're asking |
| 06:19.01 | bodeezl | :'( |
| 06:19.08 | crabman | themill: Does that mean that I'll have to reinstall a package to have non-localised version? |
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| 06:19.22 | bodeezl | themill, is there a way to get it install threw apt still |
| 06:19.22 | themill | no |
| 06:19.28 | themill | crabman: no |
| 06:19.41 | folivora | xlinkz0: what does route tell you ? |
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| 06:19.50 | themill | bodeezl: the sid version might be recompilable for wheezy and usable there. I don't know why it wasn't in wheezy |
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| 06:20.08 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | xlinkz0: is router pinging from windows host? can it be some window firewall issue or router access control? |
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| 06:20.18 | folivora | run route ; ifconfig ; cat /etc/network/interfaces and pastebin it |
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| 06:20.36 | folivora | ofc fix the ips for your privacy |
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| 06:21.01 | xlinkz0 | folivora: http://codepad.org/l75xa9Dh , i'll run route in a sec |
| 06:21.03 | folivora | and yes I was talking to xlinkz0 |
| 06:21.04 | folivora | :) |
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| 06:21.21 | xlinkz0 | w1ck3dg0ph3r: doubt it, disabled the firewall driver |
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| 06:21.52 | xlinkz0 | welp |
| 06:21.53 | xlinkz0 | :| |
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| 06:21.55 | xlinkz0 | it works now |
| 06:22.03 | xlinkz0 | wtf |
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| 06:22.29 | xlinkz0 | i only switched around a bit in virtualbox's network settings but right now i'm at the same settings as before |
| 06:22.38 | xlinkz0 | might've been a bug in virtualbox afterall |
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| 06:26.15 | themill | bodeezl: ettercap looks like backportable and the reason it wasn't in wheezy was a last minute complete rewrite that wasn't going to get enough testing to make it into the release. You could try backporting it yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 06:31.31 | loaden | Hi, there! Is it possible to fix dpkg error when execute `rm -r /var/lib/dpkg`? |
| 06:32.18 | themill | you could restore it from your backups |
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| 06:33.58 | loaden | themill: I didn't do any backups. :-( |
| 06:35.06 | themill | sounds a lot like you want to reinstall then. "ls -1 /usr/share/doc" would give you something approximating a list of packages you would install onto your new machine. |
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| 06:36.51 | loaden | themill: Does there exist a way to rebuild the dpkg info / cache? |
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| 06:38.16 | themill | loaden: restoring the status file from /var/backups/ and then running "aptitude reinstall ~i" *might* work. |
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| 06:45.41 | loaden | themill: thanks! I'll try and back here later. |
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| 06:46.59 | Okee | How do I do a file search of a folder with linux? I am a newbie. |
| 06:47.18 | OpenTokix | Okee: for filenames or the contents? |
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| 06:48.25 | Okee | file names. However, I would like to know how to do both. I am running Linuxmint-debian. |
| 06:48.35 | Okee | With win xp it was easy. |
| 06:48.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Okee about using find |
| 06:48.44 | themill | dpkg: tell Okee about mint |
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| 06:49.27 | Okee | So far I only know how to use apt-get. What do I do with dpkg? |
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| 06:50.16 | Okee | What I have is an image of a signature pasted into MS word doc, which is based on xml. I would like to copy the image, and paste it into library Office, so that I don't have to sign and scan documents. |
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| 06:51.58 | Okee | thanks |
| 06:53.03 | loaden | dpkg mint |
| 06:53.04 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 07:24.28 | loaden | themill: It does not work when execute `aptitude reinstall ~i`. E: Couldn't configure pre-depend dpkg:amd64 for perl-base:amd64, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 07:24.52 | loaden | themill: It's seems I have to reinstall Debian self? |
| 07:27.01 | themill | You could try using dpkg -i on those two packages and then see if you can get there eventually. I can't really see it being less work than reinstalling though |
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| 07:30.42 | quinso | How do I rewrite "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" to use sudo? |
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| 07:31.53 | loaden | themill: thanks |
| 07:32.35 | ChrisH | quinso: sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ?? or if you want to run this scripted try: |
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| 07:33.11 | tralala | quinso, replace '>' with '| sudo tee -a' |
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| 07:33.33 | lova | Please, I'm new |
| 07:33.51 | quinso | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.53 | lova | How to install Debian Wheezy on PC? |
| 07:34.15 | tralala | dpkg, tell lova -about ig |
| 07:34.18 | lova | ? |
| 07:34.29 | ChrisH | sudo "echo -e 'Section \Device\"\n\tIdentifier \"My GPU\"\n\tDriver \"\nEndSection' >/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" But tralalas option might be easier |
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| 07:34.45 | tralala | quinso, you're welcome :-) |
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| 07:40.14 | lova | thk u |
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| 07:41.29 | lova | :-( |
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| 07:42.13 | lova | this not solves my problem |
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| 07:45.47 | lova | help |
| 07:46.16 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 07:46.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:46.41 | lova | !ask |
| 07:46.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:47.34 | tralala | !tell lova -about errors |
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| 07:48.57 | hjjg | hi! |
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| 07:49.41 | hjjg | after a fresh install of debian 7.1 with xfce, i recognized that the middle mouse button is not working. |
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| 07:50.45 | hjjg | If you try to find a solution by googling "(third|middle) mouse button" you end up with posts that enable the emulated three mouse button mode. |
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| 07:51.23 | tralala | hjjg, how do you know that it isn't working? |
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| 07:52.29 | lova | "Debian Install: My brother gave me a computer on which Fedora is installed. When I turn on the computer, it ask password, this I don't have because my brother did not give me his password. I want to format this computer and install Debian Wheezy using USB. How to perform this action?Sorry for my English, I'm french speaking" |
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| 07:53.20 | tralala | lova, is this a BIOS password or the Fedora password? |
| 07:53.44 | hjjg | tralala: Paste doesn't work. Also I can't open tabs with a middle-click in iceweasel. |
| 07:53.47 | lova | It is Fedora User password |
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| 07:54.35 | tralala | lova, then you just boot from the USB and debian will get installed erasing Fedora. |
| 07:54.54 | tralala | hjjg, is this a scroll button? |
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| 07:55.24 | lova | than you, but I heard from somebody that the USB need to be "bootable", this I don't understand, I have a normal USB |
| 07:55.31 | hjjg | tralala: it's an average 5 button mouse. |
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| 07:56.12 | teotwaki | Hi, running iceweasel 20, has anyone encountered issues with the ghostery plugin? |
| 07:56.30 | tralala | lova, you have to tell your BIOS to boot from USB before it boots from the hard drive. That's all. |
| 07:56.47 | lova | OK. No need to change my USB to bootable? |
| 07:57.01 | bhuddah | hjjg: does it have five buttons in average or in total? ^^ |
| 07:57.01 | tralala | hjjg, what do you get from 'xinput list-props "<your mouse id here>"'? |
| 07:57.11 | tralala | lova, no |
| 07:57.22 | quinso | lova: you'll have to choose "boot from usb" in bios |
| 07:57.47 | lova | Thank you all, Sincerely! (y) |
| 07:57.52 | lova | I will try it now |
| 07:58.10 | tralala | lova, you're welcome :-) |
| 07:58.11 | hjjg | bhuddah: total. |
| 07:58.20 | hjjg | tralala: how to get the mouse-id? |
| 07:58.39 | tralala | hjjg, 'xinput' will list the input devices |
| 07:59.19 | quinso | How do I search for available packages by keywords or something in terminal? |
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| 07:59.40 | hjjg | bhuddah: uh, that's strange. |
| 07:59.59 | bhuddah | mh? |
| 08:00.08 | tralala | quinso, apt-cache search |
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| 08:00.17 | tralala | or aptitude search |
| 08:00.35 | hjjg | xinput found 2 mouse devices. One "USB OPTICAL MOUSE" and "HID $usbidentifier" |
| 08:01.07 | tralala | hjjg, do tell the props of the usb optical mouse |
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| 08:02.16 | colo-work | what do you guys use these days to space-efficiently backup Debian machines these days? (file-based backups, not block-based) |
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| 08:03.46 | hjjg | tralala: "USB OPTICAL MOUSE" seems to have the middle-button property. "HID xxx" bot. |
| 08:03.47 | bhuddah | colo-work: maybe bacula, or backup pc... depends on the goals. |
| 08:03.49 | MonkWitDaFunk | Are you using file based for best recovery of a corrupted boot partition? |
| 08:03.49 | hjjg | s/bot/not/ |
| 08:03.58 | tralala | colo-work, that's a biiig topic and there are plenty of solutions with varying complexity |
| 08:04.11 | hjjg | but how to eliminate the unwanted HID? |
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| 08:04.27 | quinso | colo-work: there are many nsa-tracked cloud-based solutions. |
| 08:04.46 | ChrisH | colo-work: I use amanda onto local disks shown as virtual tape libaries. |
| 08:05.02 | colo-work | tralala, I know, and I'm kinda lost in the woods because of it :) I was planning to use obnam, but it proved too slow for my purposes. |
| 08:05.12 | tralala | hjjg, I'm not sure that this is your problem, but you could try to remove it with xinput. Check the manual. |
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| 08:06.28 | tralala | colo-work, I personally tried to setup bacula at home and after a few hours of changing settings and testing I decided that I don't have anything that important to worry about |
| 08:06.33 | colo-work | I find bacula's complexity quite daunting. is amanda difficult to get up and running, ChrisH? |
| 08:07.03 | hjjg | tralala: xinput disable "$id" changes the order that xinput lists the devices. The middle click is still broken. |
| 08:07.30 | tralala | hjjg, can I see the whole output of list-props? |
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| 08:08.43 | bhuddah | colo-work: please take a look at backuppc. it's an easy solution for backup. i had much success in using it. |
| 08:09.06 | ChrisH | colo-work: I use it for 10+ years at different private locations and used it in the office with different OS. I find it easy to setup, but from scratch will take some time. If you ony want to backup one single box, have a look at back in time |
| 08:09.08 | colo-work | bhuddah, I tried backuppc some three years ago and was positivley impressed by it. I plan on evaluating it next. |
| 08:09.33 | colo-work | ChrisH, nope, we need to back up a number of hosts - at least 15. |
| 08:09.39 | bhuddah | colo-work: okay. just because i know your problem with the complexity :) |
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| 08:10.39 | MonkWitDaFunk | Which is the best backup solution for destructive badblocks on your boot partition? Totem? |
| 08:10.58 | hjjg | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/37820/ |
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| 08:13.09 | daly | hello, how can i set up squeeze to always unzip zip-files into folders ? |
| 08:13.21 | ChrisH | colo-work: all boxes Debian or at least some Unix'ish boxes? |
| 08:13.38 | colo-work | ChrisH, all Debian. Squeeze or Wheezy. |
| 08:14.20 | ChrisH | daly: man unzip search for -d option |
| 08:14.34 | colo-work | it's several TiB of payload though, and tens if not hundreds of millions of files spread over all the hosts. |
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| 08:17.01 | colo-work | the backup target dis a dedicated 16-core 2way AMD machine with 64GB or RAM and access to an external 18TB SAS-RAID6 (powered by Linux md), so it is quite beefy. obnam was much too slow when backing up our Maildirs though; I did not have the time to look closer as to why that was the case - both CPU and I/O on client and server were in the green. |
| 08:17.07 | bhuddah | is there a good way to manage a calendar in a text terminal? |
| 08:17.30 | ChrisH | colo-work: How much data will change per day? Amanda does Level 0 + incrementals. Is your network fast enough to cope with? If a commercial product is an option, check specs of IBM Tivoli (formerly ADSM) which does allways incrementals. Do you need to vault or copy stuff over to another DC for desater recovery? Create a concept on how to recover from nothing if ony the disks are there. |
| 08:18.05 | bhuddah | do not use anything from IBM ever. it is a way to certain pain. |
| 08:18.17 | bhuddah | especially tsm. |
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| 08:19.05 | colo-work | the backups are there to protect from user error, mostly - we have enough redundancy to cover the availability aspects, and the chances we need actual DR are very slim. I'll avoid TSM like the plague ;) I'd like a solution that doesn't kid around with (virtual) tapes too much; I have a disk-based machine, and that's it. we'll just add more disks if need be. |
| 08:19.33 | colo-work | the amount of data that _changes_ each day is a number I cannot reliably produce, but there's several GB of data being _added_ each day. |
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| 08:19.51 | hjjg | tralala: weird, isn't it? |
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| 08:20.58 | colo-work | most (95%+) of the data on the boxes will stay the same after the initial backup though, I'd wager. conservative estimate, that is - maybe it's even 99%. |
| 08:22.26 | ChrisH | colo-work: I like tape libs and as I cannot afford one I use virtual tape libs :) I put my backup into a VG and then I can add disks if needed and all I need to do is vgextend, lvextend, resize2fs... Can you backup at any time? level 0 dumps during the weekends? Are you using snapshots to get a consitent state on the clients? |
| 08:23.01 | bhuddah | colo-work: are you planning to backup databases and the basic os files, or just the data? |
| 08:23.42 | colo-work | backup at any time: yes. full backups on weekends: dunno if our clients can push all their data down the pipe that fast; I doubt it. snapshots: unfortunately, most hosts don't have LVM, so no. |
| 08:23.49 | tralala | hjjg, weird indeed |
| 08:24.02 | colo-work | bhuddah, no, we have a backup strategy for postgres implemented already, so it's files only |
| 08:24.18 | tralala | hjjg, does the HID pointer disappear when you unplug the mouse? |
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| 08:24.59 | bhuddah | colo-work: so much less problems :) |
| 08:25.00 | hjjg | tralala: no. it's still there. |
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| 08:25.15 | colo-work | bhuddah, yup. still enough, however :) |
| 08:25.38 | bhuddah | yep. |
| 08:26.06 | tralala | hjjg, is this a laptop? Is there anything else attached that could be used as a mouse? |
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| 08:30.07 | bhuddah | did someone read my calendar question? has anyone ever tried to keep a calendar on the command line? |
| 08:30.26 | hjjg | tralala: no, this is a desktop pc. A Dell Optiplex. |
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| 08:30.43 | ChrisH | bhuddah: I do add entries using scripts for Zimbra and google cal |
| 08:31.08 | tralala | hjjg, I see that the same HID entry exists as a keyboard. That's really weird. Does the keyboard have a track ball or something? |
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| 08:31.55 | Asmooh | hi |
| 08:31.57 | bhuddah | ChrisH: okay... well. i don't like zimbra or google... the idea was to have some tool that doesn't need a web interface... |
| 08:32.11 | Asmooh | im using debian for the last 12 years but it starting to give me issues |
| 08:32.17 | Asmooh | my load is like super high |
| 08:32.29 | Asmooh | top - 10:32:19 up 61 days, 3:05, 1 user, load average: 6,23, 2,45, 0,91 |
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| 08:32.56 | mumpitzel | press "c" then then? |
| 08:33.01 | ChrisH | Asmooh: 6 is not super high... run atop as root and look for colores lines |
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| 08:33.26 | Asmooh | ChrisH, maybe not high but my pages doesnt load |
| 08:33.29 | Asmooh | so its to high |
| 08:33.44 | Asmooh | top - 10:33:40 up 61 days, 3:07, 1 user, load average: 2,42, 2,27, 0,98 |
| 08:33.48 | Asmooh | after pressing 'c' |
| 08:33.51 | mumpitzel | not load? |
| 08:34.04 | Asmooh | no, till the server load goes lower than 1 |
| 08:34.10 | mumpitzel | pressing c has nothing to do with your load. it sorts top output according to cpu usage. |
| 08:34.18 | Asmooh | i get that |
| 08:34.26 | ChrisH | bhuddah: what calender do you want to use? |
| 08:34.32 | Asmooh | but when its higher than 2-3 nothing loads on the server |
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| 08:34.38 | mumpitzel | what does "not load" mean exactly? your cpu usage has nothing to do with your network |
| 08:34.48 | no_gravity | Hello! I have ttf font I would like to use in the terminal. What do I have to do? |
| 08:34.49 | Asmooh | well, request takes forever |
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| 08:34.59 | Asmooh | maybe its a mysql/apache issue |
| 08:35.01 | Asmooh | i dunno |
| 08:35.02 | mumpitzel | how many cores on your server? |
| 08:35.07 | Asmooh | 2, its vpn |
| 08:35.12 | nkuttler | Asmooh: well, debug |
| 08:35.17 | mumpitzel | vpn? |
| 08:35.21 | Asmooh | vps |
| 08:35.25 | Asmooh | its early |
| 08:35.25 | mumpitzel | *sigh* |
| 08:35.27 | nkuttler | Asmooh: start at the application level |
| 08:35.41 | mumpitzel | Asmooh: so which processes are using most cpu? |
| 08:35.44 | nkuttler | Asmooh: with a vps you also never know what the box is really doing.. is the host just running a backup job, etc |
| 08:35.55 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.10 | mumpitzel | that one uses zero cpu. try again... |
| 08:36.12 | Asmooh | thats at least on number 1 |
| 08:36.13 | Asmooh | all the time |
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| 08:36.36 | Asmooh | there is nothing that use a lot of cpu |
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| 08:37.15 | Asmooh | i can check when my load is high again |
| 08:37.17 | mumpitzel | Asmooh: you have a openvz or similar shared kernel VPS? |
| 08:37.19 | Asmooh | to see who gives the issues |
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| 08:37.45 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.48 | Asmooh | it says |
| 08:38.07 | mumpitzel | it still is "high" at 2.x. some process is using noticeable amounts of cpu, if not you then other users of this machine |
| 08:38.08 | Asmooh | i never use vps btw, always own servers.. this is first time |
| 08:38.10 | Asmooh | and have issues |
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| 08:38.14 | bhuddah | ChrisH: i don't care. it would be nice to have caldav support or something. but in reality it's just important that i can track stuff with it. |
| 08:38.19 | mumpitzel | Asmooh: uname -a |
| 08:38.24 | Asmooh | i know |
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| 08:38.33 | iskymok | hi! |
| 08:38.36 | mumpitzel | Asmooh: you don't know or you had given us the output of that |
| 08:38.43 | Asmooh | but i dont give my servername/host |
| 08:38.43 | Asmooh | :P |
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| 08:38.54 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.02 | iskymok | I got rabbitcvs and now in wheezy nautilus is consuming almost 100% cpu |
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| 08:39.24 | mumpitzel | yes, openvz or similar shit. and thanks to your obstruction, I'm tired of trying to help you. your server is on the public internet. deal with it |
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| 08:39.36 | iskymok | I deactivated many log errors of rabbitvcs but seems it is going nuts... |
| 08:39.39 | Asmooh | lol |
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| 08:39.46 | iskymok | any ideas how to control it? |
| 08:39.47 | bhuddah | Asmooh: can you please use the enter key less frequently? |
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| 08:40.19 | nkuttler | iskymok: rabbitcvs doesn't seem to be in debian, so ask them for support |
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| 08:41.55 | zmotok | hello everyone, can anyone please tell me what are the memory limitations for KVM host and guest, on Wheezy 64bit (3.2-based kernel)? I can find nothing in the kernel header files, and online I find conflicting information on RedHat and SuSE's pages |
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| 08:42.32 | mumpitzel | zmotok: wouldn't the limit be the normal linux limit? |
| 08:42.56 | zmotok | mumpitzel: I thought so, but then RHEL/SLES limits appear to be of 512GB to 2TB |
| 08:43.15 | WildMagic | whenever I insert a usb stick (which pops up as /dev/sdb, for example), its partitions show up under /dev/mapper and I am unable to mount them as /dev/sdb1 for example. I need to mount them as /dev/mapper/sdb1. Why does this happen and how can I prevent it? |
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| 08:45.30 | mumpitzel | WildMagic: you use lvm with your debian? |
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| 08:45.53 | WildMagic | mumpitzel, yes, my / is on an encrypted lvm |
| 08:45.53 | Rikd | hi! |
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| 08:46.43 | mumpitzel | WildMagic: imho, that's why |
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| 08:48.03 | hjjg | tralala: no, it's a simple keyboard. I use this type of keyboard multiple times here. no problems. |
| 08:48.05 | WildMagic | mumpitzel, sure, but can I restrict that only to /dev/sda which is my primary harddisk, so that it does not happen to any usb drives I attach? |
| 08:48.52 | tralala | hjjg, does xev report anything when the middle button is pressed? |
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| 08:50.02 | Rikd | I lost all files from all hdd. my OS debian 7.1. How can I determine which program through the deleted files? |
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| 08:50.18 | mumpitzel | you can't |
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| 08:51.39 | WildMagic | mumpitzel, does this have anything at all to do with "multipath", whatever that means? |
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| 08:52.17 | mumpitzel | WildMagic: need more context |
| 08:52.28 | quinso | What does this command do? sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 08:52.31 | no_gravity | Strange: I do "nautlius &" in a terminal, close the terminal and BOOM! nautilus closes too. Shouldnt this bitch be detached from the terminal because of the &? |
| 08:52.40 | hjjg | tralala: nothing. |
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| 08:53.20 | WildMagic | mumpitzel, I googled and came across this page: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.1/DM_Multipath/ignore_localdisk_procedure.html and item 2 starts with "In order to prevent the device mapper from mapping /dev/sda in its multipath maps, " so I thought it might be relevant |
| 08:53.33 | hjjg | tralala: OMG! It's the Keyboard! |
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| 08:54.04 | no_gravity | Aha, it only happens when I close the terminal with the little x on the gnome window. Not when I close it with exit. Any ideas why? |
| 08:54.12 | hjjg | tralala: ok, but if I disconnect the keyboard, the middle click still does not work |
| 08:54.31 | mumpitzel | WildMagic: the next time please mention the full name: DM-Multipath. if you google that, your can easily find out what it is |
| 08:54.40 | mumpitzel | it even has a big wikipedia article |
| 08:55.17 | WildMagic | mumpitzel, my bad. I'm just a clueless n00b :) I'll google for it, but do you think this could be a solution or is it about something else that is not at all related to my problem? |
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| 08:56.02 | mumpitzel | doesn't look like it. it's basically RAID for not only disks but HBAs too |
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| 08:56.56 | WildMagic | mumpitzel, hmm, okay. Thanks anyway |
| 08:57.24 | Rikd | I lost all files from all hdd. my OS debian 7.1. How can I determine which program through the deleted files? |
| 08:57.37 | godfrey_ | ACPI gives out warning that SystemIO conflicts with gpio(gpio_ich) but i want to use the gpio pins so what i should do? |
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| 08:59.10 | no_gravity | Rikd: how did you lose your files? |
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| 08:59.53 | bhuddah | Rikd: do not spam the channel, please. |
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| 09:00.32 | quinso | Is it dangerous to use "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" on amd64 architecture? What repercussions can there be? |
| 09:00.33 | mumpitzel | Rikd: there is no log where you can see which program unlinked which files |
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| 09:00.43 | mumpitzel | !tell quinso about multiarch |
| 09:00.59 | Rikd | no_gravity: program azures wrote that there is no file. I decided that the failure of the program. rebooted the computer. No desktop, all the drives clean. |
| 09:01.18 | no_gravity | bhuddah: he spammed? |
| 09:01.39 | mumpitzel | Rikd: what is azures? |
| 09:02.17 | bhuddah | no_gravity: i thought so... have read that before.. and rikd didn't aswer or something... but.. it's okay.. somethings happening now :) |
| 09:02.27 | Rikd | Azureus/ p2p |
| 09:02.48 | bhuddah | Rikd: and you rebooted into which OS? |
| 09:02.54 | bezaban | quinso: multiarch is fine :) |
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| 09:03.22 | no_gravity | Rikd: so you are using another computer now? |
| 09:03.34 | Rikd | bhuddah: On PC 1 Os - debian 7.1 |
| 09:03.50 | bhuddah | Rikd: so your OS is still there. which files disappeared now? |
| 09:04.34 | Rikd | all from /home/user and all from /mnt/ |
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| 09:04.49 | bezaban | lunch! |
| 09:04.50 | Rikd | * /media/ |
| 09:05.12 | bhuddah | Rikd: are you sure your partitions are mounted? |
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| 09:08.12 | no_gravity | Rikd: yeah, sounds like some partitions are not mounted. as bhuddah says. |
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| 09:08.25 | Rikd | http://pastebin.com/UXrWhEzW |
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| 09:08.37 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.46 | Rikd | http://pastebin.com/CL2j657G home dir. all files 2013/09/10 |
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| 09:10.34 | bhuddah | Rikd: can you please do the full set of LVS scan and ls commands? |
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| 09:11.35 | Rikd | http://pastebin.com/aUBDEhj0 |
| 09:12.24 | no_gravity | Rikd: what are those signs, is it cyrillic? |
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| 09:13.11 | Rikd | <bhuddah> yes, cyrillic |
| 09:13.48 | no_gravity | strange that there are only cyrillic files excpet for the .dotfiles. |
| 09:13.54 | Rikd | I did not understand. "full set of LVS scan and ls commands" |
| 09:14.08 | no_gravity | shouldnt there be a /home/user/ directory? |
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| 09:14.14 | tralala | hjjg, I don't know then. Does the middle button work on another PC/OS? |
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| 09:14.35 | no_gravity | ah sorry, that IS the /home/user/ dir. |
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| 09:15.07 | no_gravity | Rikd: what shows ls /home ? |
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| 09:15.41 | no_gravity | Rikd: maybe you booted into a different partition then usually? |
| 09:15.58 | no_gravity | Rikd: can you show "d |
| 09:16.03 | no_gravity | Rikd: can you show "fdisk -l"? |
| 09:16.07 | Rikd | http://pastebin.com/bcaqPipL |
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| 09:21.18 | no_gravity | Rikd: you have 9 harddisks? |
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| 09:21.57 | Rikd | 6 hdd |
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| 09:22.23 | no_gravity | Rikd: is /home/ usually mounted to another partition then / ? |
| 09:22.42 | Rikd | where you can lay out the image? |
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| 09:23.56 | no_gravity | Rikd: i see sda,sbb,sdc,sdd,sde,sdf and md. what is md? |
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| 09:24.01 | lelu | Morning all |
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| 09:24.52 | no_gravity | lelu: hello! we are trying to repair a broken computer :) |
| 09:24.56 | lelu | I have a pretty silly question (as I normally use sftp) but how would I configure proftpd to ensure that files uploaded by a user to their cgi-bin directory where given the correct permissions? |
| 09:25.06 | ChrisH | Rikd: can you please run lsblk ; /sbin/blkid and paste it to paste.debian.net |
| 09:25.21 | no_gravity | Rikd: what do you mean by "lay out the image"? |
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| 09:25.40 | no_gravity | lelu: we first have to fix rikds computer. |
| 09:25.41 | Rikd | md http://pastebin.com/txEHWNrg |
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| 09:26.02 | lelu | no_gravity: no worries, I am happy to wait :) |
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| 09:26.24 | no_gravity | Rikd: so its a raid using sda and sdb? |
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| 09:28.17 | Rikd | http://paste.debian.net/37845/ |
| 09:28.17 | Rikd | no_gravity: yes. raid1 |
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| 09:29.12 | Rikd | which program has removed all the files? |
| 09:29.22 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: yesterday i did 10TB worth of md raid scrubbing and 5 TB worth of dd /dev/md0 and now i've been doing 3 TB worth of dd /dev/mapper/luks_md0 and no kernel oopses yet |
| 09:29.30 | no_gravity | Rikd: did you set up this computer on your own? |
| 09:30.02 | ChrisH | Rikd: did you allready showed us mount and df -h output? |
| 09:30.04 | Rikd | all my programs from the official repository. except nginx |
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| 09:30.44 | Rikd | no_gravity: yes |
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| 09:31.33 | Rikd | http://paste.debian.net/37848/ |
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| 09:32.15 | Asmooh | i think apache/mysql use all my power |
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| 09:32.39 | Rikd | hour back wheels were full of files |
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| 09:34.13 | no_gravity | would help if you change to english before copying: export LANGUAGE=en |
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| 09:34.42 | no_gravity | Rikd: what do you mean by "wheels"? |
| 09:35.07 | Rikd | http://paste.debian.net/37849/ |
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| 09:35.58 | Rikd | "wheels" = hdd |
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| 09:37.48 | no_gravity | Rikd: which one was full of files for example? |
| 09:38.14 | iskymok | nkuttler: rabbitvcs-nautilus# |
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| 09:39.43 | Rikd | all hard drives were filled with files. was not enough space. an hour ago a program is erased everything. |
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| 09:40.27 | no_gravity | Rikd: /dev/sde1 contained 917G an hour ago and now it contains 141G? |
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| 09:43.29 | Rikd | http://paste.debian.net/37850/ |
| 09:43.43 | Rikd | /dev/sde1 is / |
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| 09:43.44 | no_gravity | Rikd: can you show this: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 09:44.18 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, question, I installed debian 7 32 bit on a Vbox, it seems that it installed the virtualbox guest additions automaticaly, but the screen does not get bigger |
| 09:44.38 | Ephexeve | I am not using any DE, so I htink that's why, how can I fix the resolution? Now it's the default VBOx resolution, very small |
| 09:44.42 | no_gravity | Rikd: can you give an example of a file that was there an hour ago and is gone now? |
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| 09:47.00 | Rikd | yes. 88aer.jpg |
| 09:47.08 | nkuttler | iskymok: i see. well, have you ever written a bug report? |
| 09:47.36 | nkuttler | !tell iskymok about reportbug |
| 09:47.51 | no_gravity | Rikd: and where was it? |
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| 09:48.26 | Rikd | on /media/1k_WD1002FAEX |
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| 09:50.43 | no_gravity | Rikd: that is sdb. but you said sdb is part of a raid. |
| 09:51.47 | Monotoko | I attempted to upgrade to Debian 7 on a box which now won't boot, some xen mods weren't found and it can't find the disk by UUID |
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| 09:52.49 | no_gravity | Rikd: can you show "ls /mnt"? |
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| 09:53.11 | no_gravity | Rikd: and how did you access 88aer.jpg? what was the full path? |
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| 09:54.21 | Monotoko | http://imgur.com/bR843L0.jpg (sorry it's an image, I couldn't copy and paste into text) |
| 09:54.35 | Rikd | I have no files. http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/noki-san/view/822351/?page=0 |
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| 09:55.36 | Rikd | http://paste.debian.net/37854/ |
| 09:56.40 | no_gravity | Rikd: what does this do? mkdir /mnt/tmp; mount /dev/md1 /mnt/tmp; ls /mnt/tmp |
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| 09:57.48 | Rikd | http://paste.debian.net/37855/ |
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| 09:59.26 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Ephexeve: do you mean console resolution? in lilo it's vga=VGAMODE option in lilo.conf |
| 10:00.34 | no_gravity | Rikd: have to work a while on the telephone now! somebody else here should help you. i think maybe your files are not gone. just some problem with the partitions. |
| 10:00.37 | jelly | Monotoko: can you boot the previous kernel? |
| 10:00.44 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Ephexeve: in grub, iirc, GRUB_GFXMODE=XXX in /etc/default/grub and gfxpayload=keep in /etc/grub.d/something |
| 10:00.47 | Monotoko | jelly: can't boot any kernel, same problem |
| 10:01.18 | Rikd | http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/noki-san/view/822351/?page=0&ncrnd=2445 |
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| 10:01.29 | Rikd | ext3 ext4 xfs |
| 10:01.48 | Rikd | files delete from all hdd |
| 10:02.06 | Rikd | from /home/user/* |
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| 10:02.42 | Rikd | http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9058/22859368.0/0_c8c4f_267b5dfd_XL.png |
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| 10:03.14 | ChrisH | Rikd: what does pvs; vgs ; lvs show? I can see md1-3 are LVM and I did only see 1 LV in df. Deleting TBs of data will take a longer while,. unless the delete performance of ext4 has increased like hell. |
| 10:04.34 | ChrisH | Monotoko: does ls show you the disk the system is complaining about? If yes there is a chapter on known issues and the use if rootdelay |
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| 10:05.24 | Rikd | not a question of the rate of removal. what program deleted the file? |
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| 10:06.31 | ChrisH | Rikd: assuming it was deleted you will not find out as it will not be logged. you can check things in /var/log for unusual stuff, but I would not expect to see anything therr. |
| 10:08.11 | Monotoko | ChrisH: it shows me *a* filesystem... looks like a temp one though |
| 10:08.18 | Monotoko | not the one it's complaining about |
| 10:09.06 | ChrisH | Monotoko: I did not ask abiut _filesystem_ but _disk_ and/or _partition_ |
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| 10:10.22 | Rikd | Thank you. to hell with the computer! |
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| 10:15.46 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: as usual, system under observation will not show the problem. |
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| 10:17.23 | JyZyXEL | im doing the rsync again and recording atop information |
| 10:17.58 | JyZyXEL | this time i didn't execute some optimization commands |
| 10:19.21 | JyZyXEL | normally i use: echo 8192 > /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size; blockdev --setra 32768 /dev/md0; for i in {b..z} do echo 1 > /sys/block/sd$i/device/queue_depth done |
| 10:19.42 | JyZyXEL | this time i only executed: echo 8192 > /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size |
| 10:20.19 | JyZyXEL | because it improves performance so much |
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| 10:23.47 | Ephexeve | w1ck3dg0ph3r: Thanks! |
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| 10:25.55 | lelu | how does one list the groups a user is part of? |
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| 10:26.47 | lelu | scratch that, silly questions |
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| 10:28.14 | ChrisH | lelu: did you find another way then su - USER ; id -a ?? I tried and failed. |
| 10:28.18 | lelu | what i meant to ask was, given that I have a directory that I have chowned as tony-mirka:kentpaint I have added www-data user to the group kentpaint. How do I set the directory so that the group kentpaint has full 777 permissions? |
| 10:28.20 | Monotoko | ChrisH: ls shows me the filesystem, I'm not sure whether you meant df? |
| 10:28.32 | lelu | ChrisH: groups $user |
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| 10:29.06 | ChrisH | lelu: cool. I tried with getent and failed |
| 10:29.35 | ChrisH | Monotoko: I mean ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 10:30.23 | Monotoko | ChrisH: nothing there |
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| 10:32.53 | ChrisH | Monotoko: then it looks like some modules are missing to find your disk. try to check dmesg |
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| 10:37.02 | zilvinas | Es27XSMv,./ |
| 10:37.12 | zilvinas | Nm19y-2m2ab |
| 10:37.27 | zilvinas | woops, sorry, was cleaning keyboard without locking the screen:-)) |
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| 10:38.10 | lelu | zilvinas I thought it could have been chasing a spider ;) |
| 10:38.26 | ChrisH | zilvinas: looked like pwgen output |
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| 10:39.03 | zilvinas | lelu: not a spider, crumbles;) |
| 10:39.55 | lelu | haha |
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| 10:45.27 | fishy_fighter | Hi there, I messed around with cabal, and now I have broken my package manager :). "unable to open files list file for package `ghc-haddock': Input/output error", does anyone have a clue how to fix this? |
| 10:46.12 | Koma | fishy_fighter: Google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1611946 |
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| 10:47.15 | fishy_fighter | thanks, I will have a look |
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| 10:48.09 | Koma | fishy_fighter: http://tinyurl.com/qjgulpf |
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| 10:49.52 | Kuba | hey, is it possible to have a following setup: unecrypted boot partition with grub chainloading grub from LUKS on encrypted partition? |
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| 10:50.35 | hke | Kuba: sounds possible to me, but why would you wanna do that? |
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| 10:52.46 | Kuba | hke: I want a honeypot system in case someone steals my laptop; everything else should be encrypted, together with the real OS data, including boot parition |
| 10:52.54 | fishy_fighter | Koma: I had already googled it, and found that forum, but without success... I don't think it's a disk issue either.. |
| 10:53.15 | hke | Kuba: but you always need an unencrypted /boot |
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| 10:53.33 | Kuba | this is why I want unencrypted boot to chainload encrypted one |
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| 10:54.03 | Kuba | hke: does it sound reasonable? |
| 10:54.07 | hke | Kuba: i see, well, i don't see why it shouldn't be possible. |
| 10:54.17 | hke | Kuba: it sounds like you |
| 10:54.22 | hke | 're overdoing it |
| 10:54.46 | Kuba | I don't want potential theft to know what kind of system I have there |
| 10:55.00 | bullgard4 | '~ % cat /proc/partions' prints Ā»#blocksĀ«. What is the size of a Ā»blockĀ«? |
| 10:55.06 | Kuba | hke: apart from knowing it's using LUKS/dm-crypt |
| 10:55.26 | ChrisH | Kuba: Why no simple encrypted setup? Has the same but one level of indirection less |
| 10:55.47 | Kuba | ChrisH: well, you can read of what kernels the machine uses |
| 10:55.53 | Kuba | ChrisH: recognise operating system |
| 10:55.54 | Kuba | etc. |
| 10:56.44 | Koma | fishsponge_: go to the second page :) continue googleing more "generic" error (excluding date and packages from the keywords) |
| 10:56.59 | Kuba | I don't know much about chainloading but I suppose it's possible to have a menuentry "Other" that will simply chainload /boot from my encrypted setup |
| 10:57.15 | Kuba | ChrisH, hke: ^ |
| 10:57.37 | mumpitzel | Kuba: what you want is possible but pointless: the grub chainload together with a ton of enncrypted diskspace totally clearly shows how you have stuff there you don't want others to see |
| 10:58.09 | mumpitzel | so it screams "I have encrypted data there!" |
| 10:58.11 | Koma | IMHO Crypting the Home Folder is sufficient. Your data are safe and in case of "broken system" you can recover boot. Either you can export/save only the crypted partition |
| 10:58.19 | hke | Kuba: but the first, unencrypted grub decrypt the second one? |
| 10:58.36 | hke | Kuba: i meant: how would 1 decrypt 2? |
| 10:58.39 | Kuba | hke: yes |
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| 10:58.41 | bartzy | Hey |
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| 10:58.41 | Koma | you just need to place the file in the right mountpoiny |
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| 10:58.52 | mumpitzel | Koma: not so. unencrypted /boot means someone can subvert your OS and can steal all your encrypted /home data |
| 10:58.52 | bartzy | Is there any package that installs very base files like /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:58.54 | bartzy | Or is it just part of the OS ? |
| 10:59.03 | Kuba | hke: I assume grub is capable of decrypting disk? using passphrase |
| 10:59.12 | Kuba | hke: passphrase for luks |
| 10:59.20 | Kuba | hke: am I wrong? |
| 10:59.24 | Koma | mumpitzel: if you are stupid enought to put your passphrase in the bootloader you desever your data to be stealed |
| 10:59.32 | Koma | \\deserve |
| 10:59.40 | hke | \\stolen |
| 11:00.04 | hke | bartzy: if its part of the os, it's part of a package |
| 11:00.07 | hke | man apt-file |
| 11:00.14 | Kuba | mumpitzel: very clever theft will recognise encrypted partition |
| 11:00.16 | mumpitzel | Koma: wrong. I replace a single file in your bootloader with something that lets me log the phrase when you enter it. and after the next time you boot all your data is lost |
| 11:00.20 | hke | Kuba: i guess you're wrong. |
| 11:00.20 | mumpitzel | Koma: the only way is FDE |
| 11:00.22 | Kuba | mumpitzel: but will not know anything more about it |
| 11:00.34 | Kuba | hke: hm |
| 11:00.43 | Koma | mumpitzel: you in this case have to 1Ā° use my pc/ hack in to it |
| 11:01.06 | Koma | 2Ā° retrive the data after the hack |
| 11:01.23 | bhuddah | that won't help either. you need to keep your whole setup 24/7 secure since purchase. |
| 11:01.31 | Koma | but is the same part of a full encryited system |
| 11:01.32 | mumpitzel | Koma: either your data is secure or it's not. what you do is not encryption it's pretend. only 1% of peoplr can crack WEP. it's still a stupid idea to use WEP |
| 11:01.49 | bhuddah | 1% of all people is still a huge army. |
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| 11:02.37 | Kuba | in summary I want unencrypted grub to ask me for passphrase of encrypted partition which in turn has it's own grub |
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| 11:02.41 | Kuba | hke: ^^ |
| 11:02.47 | Koma | mumpitzel: so why encrypt? If I hack in to your booted fully encrypted system you can steal the encryption key |
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| 11:03.00 | Koma | or better you don't need to steal the key only the data... |
| 11:03.14 | bhuddah | oh man! |
| 11:03.34 | bhuddah | if one can replace a file in the bootloader then a hardware keylogger isn't a problem too |
| 11:03.39 | hke | Kuba: to summarize: possible, but unnecessary. |
| 11:03.53 | mumpitzel | hardware keyloggers are hard to put in a laptop for example :) |
| 11:04.09 | bhuddah | why? |
| 11:04.17 | Kuba | hke: truecrypt does something simmilar |
| 11:04.29 | Kuba | hke: preboot encryption it's called afaik |
| 11:04.51 | Kuba | hke: it's capable of chainloading whatever's inside, say Windows bootloader |
| 11:04.57 | Koma | mumpitzel: 1Ā° there is NO safe place for your data except a broken disk in a concrete in the deep of the ocean on a death planet near a magnetic star |
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| 11:05.20 | hke | Kuba: but that's more like the usual luks-lvm setup the debian installer already provides. |
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| 11:05.40 | bhuddah | lets get back to reasonable security... how much is the data worth? |
| 11:05.52 | Koma | pr0n |
| 11:05.56 | Koma | ROFL |
| 11:06.00 | bhuddah | LOL |
| 11:06.16 | Koma | Ponies p0rn |
| 11:06.25 | Koma | AFK |
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| 11:07.13 | Kuba | found something similar: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/14227/multi-boot-with-full-hard-drive-encryption-and-pre-boot-authentication |
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| 11:10.42 | RafaelK | hello folks |
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| 11:12.09 | RafaelK | i found little bug in php5-fpm init script can somebody make pull request for this one? |
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| 11:14.54 | nkuttler | !tell RafaelK about reportbug |
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| 11:15.32 | RafaelK | thanks |
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| 11:16.23 | RafaelK | ok, i'll do that |
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| 11:17.05 | RafaelK | i have other question: how can i write with log_failure_msg in next line? |
| 11:17.07 | mms_ | I have micromax a116 phone and added to /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules a line for detecting the phone in lsusb as SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev" but it does not show up |
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| 11:17.57 | mms_ | I also tried 0e8d as vendor but no good |
| 11:18.32 | mms_ | as such I want it detected in android adb but its not showing there |
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| 11:26.17 | quinso | How do I install nvidia beta drivers (which are installed by a .run script) together with steam? If I install .run drivers, they delete some libgl files that are needed for steam and if I install that package back, it wants to delete nvidia beta drivers. |
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| 11:26.50 | lintguy | Hello. |
| 11:27.05 | lintguy | On debian wheezy i get package dependency error when trying to install LSB package. |
| 11:27.32 | nkuttler | !tell lintguy about errors |
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| 11:28.22 | lintguy | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=utEykQPu |
| 11:28.30 | lintguy | Sorry, i was slow on pasting |
| 11:28.32 | mms_ | also note I am running via vbox |
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| 11:29.43 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell lintguy about localized errors |
| 11:29.58 | ChrisH | lintguy: looks swedish to me... did you run apt-get update before? |
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| 11:30.07 | quinso | You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libGl.so.1 |
| 11:30.11 | stack | hello, does anyone experienced kernel panics after the microcode update relased in debian some time ago? |
| 11:30.21 | quinso | This is what happens if I install nvidia .run drivers |
| 11:30.31 | stack | *relased by intel |
| 11:30.57 | stack | unfurtunately I was unable to grab a crash dump |
| 11:31.31 | lintguy | ChrisH: It is, and yes of course. I now tried to remove the lsb-core and purge it, and install lsb main package again and it works without conflict. |
| 11:31.36 | lintguy | So, problem solved. |
| 11:32.02 | lintguy | Thanks for the help, and sorry for making a mess. I'll write these directions down. |
| 11:32.20 | mms_ | any one knows what I can do to explore futher ? |
| 11:32.30 | ChrisH | lintguy: you are welcome and till next time. |
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| 11:33.30 | quinso | Pls help me with steam problem. If I try to install "sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386", it says that it has to run nvidia-installer --uninstall to remove beta drivers but I need them |
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| 11:34.19 | mms_ | any one can guide on how to go about exploring more lsusb as I believe the android phone would be shown there |
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| 11:36.33 | lintguy | ChrisH: It's too bad i didn't go here first, could probably have saved several hours of trial and error :) |
| 11:36.49 | BenNZ | can anyone tell me what packages i would need to install for thunar to recognise an android connected via usb on wheezy , ive tried updating the kernel , install mtp mtpfs |
| 11:37.08 | themill | that rather depends on the phone, sadly |
| 11:37.16 | hke | BenNZ: google automount |
| 11:37.43 | hke | the android should present itself as mass storage in most(!) cases |
| 11:37.52 | themill | s/most/some/ |
| 11:38.00 | BenNZ | themill: i thought so , works like a charm on jessie , but not wheezy |
| 11:38.12 | ChrisH | BenNZ: I assume its Android 4.x without USB Masstorage support. I needed some manuall mtpstools and no file manager possible. |
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| 11:39.25 | BenNZ | ChrisH: ok i had assumed firmware/driver issue , but nothing seems to work |
| 11:40.24 | ChrisH | mms_,BenNZ: dmesg should show the device beeing connected, lsusb should show it too. |
| 11:40.29 | BenNZ | i also get different lsusb results for the device |
| 11:40.45 | mms_ | ChrisH: its not showing...thats the problem |
| 11:40.47 | BenNZ | depending whether or not using wheezy or jessie |
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| 11:41.34 | ChrisH | mms_,BenNZ: you both might want to show us dmesg, lsusb on paste.debian.net and tell us what Android version you connect. meanwhile I will look for a USB cable to connect my Android 4.x do stable |
| 11:41.39 | themill | There are newer versions of libmtp* in jessie and that is probably the main difference |
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| 11:42.12 | mms_ | ok |
| 11:42.31 | Kuba | hke: I fail at at installer's grub install step |
| 11:42.52 | Kuba | hke: apart from crypt I use LVM; dunno where to install grub in this setup |
| 11:43.02 | Kuba | hke: as installer fails |
| 11:43.11 | BenNZ | themill: ok ill getting those |
| 11:43.58 | hke | Kuba: did you choose the luks+lvm option during the partitioning phase of the installation? |
| 11:44.37 | Kuba | hke: I did manually |
| 11:45.01 | Kuba | hke: sda4 is luks and then I have luks on sda4_crypt |
| 11:45.03 | hke | Kuba: why didn't you use the partitioning scheme the installer provided? |
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| 11:45.45 | Kuba | hke: as it uses full disk, but I'm trying to do that honeypot setup I described before |
| 11:47.06 | hke | Kuba: can't help you with that, sorry. |
| 11:47.42 | mms_ | http://pastebin.com/0u3m8BYQ |
| 11:47.53 | mms_ | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/0u3m8BYQ |
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| 11:50.20 | ChrisH | mms_: and the device is connected? Did something pop up on Android side? |
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| 11:51.38 | mms_ | ChrisH: on android side nothing but in windows its shows popup like as we see for pen drive. I am running via vbox. |
| 11:53.07 | ChrisH | mms_: You need to do some vbox magic to forward USB into the guest. use google here. I did it on native Debian. Before starting to fiddle with udev you need to see anything in dmesg and lsusb. Otherwise it did not get recognizes for forwarded from the host. |
| 11:53.11 | mms_ | ChrisH: got it working now |
| 11:53.41 | mms_ | ChrisH: actually in vbox in usb section I added filter for active device for it then vbox installed some driver |
| 11:53.45 | mms_ | now it shows up fine |
| 11:54.02 | mms_ | its vbox stuff I believe and not debian |
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| 11:54.04 | jetscreamer | what are they called, or name a couple please: a menu app that can be added to a minimal desktop env. |
| 11:54.18 | hke | jetscreamer: dmenu |
| 11:54.47 | mms_ | ChrisH: thanks |
| 11:54.51 | lintguy | What ubuntu version is using wheezy as a base? |
| 11:55.01 | hke | lintguy: are you kidding? |
| 11:55.11 | lintguy | No |
| 11:55.15 | hke | lintguy: ubuntu uses debian, not the other way around. |
| 11:55.26 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is based on sid afaicr |
| 11:55.27 | lintguy | That's what i said |
| 11:55.39 | jetscreamer | thx hke |
| 11:55.40 | hke | lintguy: just reread, ok, ambiguous wording |
| 11:55.40 | mms_ | ok bye guys |
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| 11:55.46 | hke | lintguy: unstable |
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| 11:55.47 | lintguy | hke: sorry. |
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| 11:56.34 | lintguy | i tried googling but i find no connection between the silly ubuntu names quantal, raring and saucy and wheezy |
| 11:56.46 | jetscreamer | don't think you will |
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| 11:57.04 | Kuba | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:57.05 | Kuba | wheezy/sid |
| 11:57.08 | jetscreamer | debian names are based on toy story.. no idea what ubuntu is based on |
| 11:57.13 | hke | lintguy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1147/is-ubuntu-based-on-debian-unstable-or-debian-testing |
| 11:57.15 | ChrisH | lintguy: <Yedi-mode> you want to use Debian :) </yedi-mode> |
| 11:57.38 | lintguy | Yeah, i didn't plan on using ubuntu :P |
| 11:58.01 | BenNZ | themill: still no luck, do you have any other suggestions? |
| 11:58.13 | jetscreamer | waves bye @ themill |
| 11:58.19 | lintguy | but there is a damn package that is made for ubuntu, but to use it on debian i need to know what ubuntu version = wheezy |
| 11:58.48 | hke | lintguy: click the link i gave you |
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| 11:59.10 | Kuba | lintguy: I'm on 13.04 and /etc/debian_version is wheezy/sid ;) |
| 11:59.11 | hke | lintguy: oh and you should be extremely careful to install ubuntu/debian pkgs on the other os |
| 11:59.29 | lintguy | Kuba: Superb, thanks! |
| 11:59.46 | lintguy | hke: Risk of breakage? |
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| 12:00.35 | hke | lintguy: "risk" is an understatement |
| 12:01.12 | lintguy | :-/ |
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| 12:01.23 | lintguy | Guess i'll just skip using that app then. |
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| 12:02.27 | wsk233 | does anyone know why my make is failing http://pastebin.com/jESpUztK |
| 12:03.14 | lintguy | It will make app filtering a pain. This would have been soo much easier. https://github.com/Douane/Douane |
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| 12:05.17 | hke | omg, that is the wrongest github has ever been used. |
| 12:06.12 | lintguy | hke: Right... Github is not a bin-package repository. |
| 12:06.29 | hke | lintguy: think twice before you use a firewall that displays a twitter feed in its config ui. |
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| 12:06.32 | hke | https://github.com/Douane/douane-configurator |
| 12:06.35 | lintguy | hke: the whole project smells fishy, but it's the only software i have found that does what it does. |
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| 12:07.00 | hke | lintguy: ufw + gufw? |
| 12:07.30 | hke | lintguy: and you would let a software that you've already found to be fishy install a kernel module on your machine? |
| 12:07.44 | hke | you sir, are living on the edge. :) |
| 12:09.06 | lintguy | hke: It uses the existent kernel module and Netfilter for it, not adding anything (afaik) |
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| 12:09.21 | lintguy | hke: little snitch does install a kernel module though |
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| 12:10.08 | hke | lintguy: i'd eat several of my own limbs before installing it. |
| 12:10.09 | lintguy | hke: ufw + gufw is allow or disallow an app, i'm looking for an app that will allow/disallow based on port, domain and/or ip |
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| 12:10.20 | abrotman | iptables |
| 12:10.22 | hke | lintguy: gufw can do that, too. |
| 12:10.25 | lintguy | And ask for it once a connection is made |
| 12:10.29 | lintguy | *before |
| 12:10.53 | hke | lintguy: g/ufw is just a front-end for iptable |
| 12:10.55 | hke | ..s |
| 12:11.13 | lintguy | hke: My use case is this, i didn't expect an app to contact twitter, facebook or an update server so i want to block that before it happens but only that request. |
| 12:11.25 | maxdml | please is there a way to activate some debug when preseeding debian? |
| 12:11.29 | lintguy | hke: i know, it's a firewall, not a filter. |
| 12:11.50 | hke | lintguy: then you should look into proxies |
| 12:11.53 | lintguy | hke: afaik there does not exist anything in the linux world that does that. |
| 12:12.18 | hke | lintguy: you could configure a proxy accordingly and let your app use that proxy to filter its requests. |
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| 12:12.48 | lintguy | hke: my vpn already do filtering |
| 12:12.48 | hke | lintguy: also, this would have the huge advantage of being The Right Way to do This(tm) |
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| 12:13.18 | hke | lintguy: then use that.. |
| 12:13.23 | lintguy | hke: how would you suggest filtering unexpected software phone-homes? |
| 12:13.34 | lintguy | because the call can be to any ip to any domain. |
| 12:13.38 | lintguy | not anything i can predict |
| 12:13.57 | abrotman | use iptables |
| 12:14.00 | lintguy | little snitch catched all of those. |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | caught |
| 12:14.21 | lintguy | abrotman: how would iptables help if the call is unexpected? |
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| 12:14.32 | lintguy | abrotman: yes, sorry. |
| 12:14.33 | abrotman | lintguy: you look at logs and add the rule |
| 12:14.43 | lintguy | abrotman: but then the call have already been made. |
| 12:14.54 | abrotman | so? |
| 12:14.55 | hke | lintguy: apparmor? |
| 12:15.05 | Kev- | I need to install glibc >2.13 on my stable build... Is it possible to grab just that package from testing? how? |
| 12:15.07 | hke | lintguy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_firewall#Linux |
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| 12:15.39 | mumpitzel | Kev-: it is not |
| 12:15.47 | lova | . |
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| 12:15.51 | hke | lintguy: thinking about it, apparmor feels like the right way to do it, actually. |
| 12:15.51 | mumpitzel | Kev-: why do you need a different libc6? |
| 12:16.10 | abrotman | it's a game .. |
| 12:16.14 | hke | lintguy: http://l7-filter.clearfoundation.com/ |
| 12:16.15 | Kev- | I use chromedriver for web testing and they just upgraded their dependencies to 2.14 or 2.15 |
| 12:16.21 | lintguy | hke: Yes, but there is no live ui for it |
| 12:16.43 | hke | lintguy: which is still better than a gui with a twitter feed ;) |
| 12:16.43 | mumpitzel | Kev-: install testing in a chroot then |
| 12:16.44 | Kev- | Even if they claim debian 7/7.1 is supported (and debian 7.1 uses 2.13) |
| 12:16.46 | abrotman | lintguy: perhaps you just need a different OS? |
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| 12:18.32 | lintguy | abrotman: what does the OS have to do with this? |
| 12:18.48 | lintguy | just as hke says, it could be done with apparmor |
| 12:19.05 | lintguy | and it is the right way to do it, there just isn't a gui for it |
| 12:19.08 | abrotman | lintguy: then do it and quit whining |
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| 12:19.38 | lintguy | you're the one whining |
| 12:19.45 | abrotman | A doesn't do X, B doesn't do Y .. if there's an app you know of on another OS that does what you want, go use that OS |
| 12:19.49 | abrotman | or fix X and Y |
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| 12:26.26 | wsk233 | does anyone know why my make is failing http://pastebin.com/jESpUztK |
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| 12:28.48 | abrotman | wsk233: look at line 95 |
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| 12:33.38 | schreber | Are there any workarounds for being able to write to a usb thumbdrive without being root? |
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| 12:34.52 | schreber | To add without having to modify fstab since you don't normally have to do this with other releases/distibutions |
| 12:35.09 | abrotman | chankge the mount point perms? |
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| 12:37.39 | hke | schreber: what filesystem is the thumbdrive? |
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| 12:39.17 | depesz | hi. after upgrade last night i can't get svn back to work. on start, I get "Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 12:39.24 | depesz | apt-file doesn't seem to know about mod_dav_svn |
| 12:39.36 | depesz | how screwed am I? |
| 12:39.45 | schreber | It's FAT32 actually |
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| 12:41.01 | ChrisH | schreber: depending on the DE it gets mounted automagically. |
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| 12:43.16 | ksk | hey guys |
| 12:43.26 | ksk | if i install a packge from backports, should i also pin it? |
| 12:43.45 | schreber | It's strange though I have another external hdd not a thumbdrive that seems to work just fine but for some reason this thumbdrive under debian is giving me issues where in say ubuntu, fedora I have no issues |
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| 12:44.45 | ChrisH | schreber: do you have some entries in fstab to mount usb-storage? |
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| 12:45.38 | crabman | How do I set up an environment variable IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1? |
| 12:45.49 | crabman | for a session or something |
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| 12:48.21 | schreber | ChrisH: nope, I've checked others systems as well and it's basically a mirror of the other |
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| 12:49.53 | Fira | Gaaah O_O ! I'm trying to find the sources URL for Squeeze backports, but can't manage... Can anyone help ? >_< |
| 12:50.32 | Fira | repos folders are different on different mirrors. wiki instructions go to /squeeze-backports but those don't exist on official repos (anymore?) |
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| 12:51.00 | Fira | i see /dists/oldstable for squeeze, dists/wheezy-backports, but no squeeze-backports |
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| 12:51.53 | daya | Any one please let me know what option should be passed in partman-auto-lvm for creating optional PE size rather than deaulf 4 MB |
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| 12:52.43 | abrotman | Fira: /msg dpkg squeeze backports |
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| 12:55.19 | Fira | abrotman, that's already pretty much what i did |
| 12:55.45 | Fira | but it points to mirror/debian-backports which seem to just not exist anymore anywhere |
| 12:56.25 | themill | Fira: the deb line that dpkg gives you works |
| 12:57.25 | abrotman | sure does! |
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| 12:57.42 | Fira | themill, my bad, i typed in htp >_ <' |
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| 12:59.18 | grobda24 | My net install failed to setup everthing due to lack of net connection. How do I allow it to continue once I have my net up ? |
| 12:59.35 | zoechi_ | LIST |
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| 13:03.12 | grobda24 | Also is the a netboot install that has non-free firmware with it ? |
| 13:03.34 | mumpitzel | !tell grobda24 about firmware image |
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| 13:04.15 | mumpitzel | grobda24: edit your sources.list manually /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list and then run tasksel as root |
| 13:04.33 | lova | tralala I'm now installing Debian from USB but it seems to always boot from Hard drive |
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| 13:06.15 | grobda24 | mumpitzel: ah, tasksel. Thanks. Anyway, started install again with the net install CD that *has* firmware, as there are some other things broken |
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| 13:07.00 | grobda24 | says "that were broken by lack of ethernet firmware, and then lack of net connection |
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| 13:08.04 | ScottG | So I have ntp set up on a computer however it seems to be about 30-45 seconds fast. I'm not sure what's going on? |
| 13:08.13 | mumpitzel | grobda24: there is nothing broken when you install from netinst without a network connection. nothing at all |
| 13:08.24 | bhuddah | ScottG: how long is it running? |
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| 13:10.24 | ScottG | bhuddah: a few days now. |
| 13:10.50 | bhuddah | ScottG: this is strange. can you paste the output of ntpq -p and your config and so on? |
| 13:10.53 | ScottG | bhuddah: I thought when I started it maybe it just hadn't synced but it's stayed like that. Although I assume one of the first things it would do when it started would be to sync lol |
| 13:11.03 | ScottG | bhuddah: sure one sec |
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| 13:11.36 | lova | someone can help me? |
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| 13:13.46 | ScottG | bhuddah: driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift |
| 13:13.58 | ScottG | bhuddah: http://privatepaste.com/d74e258f71 |
| 13:15.08 | bhuddah | ScottG: is this a virtual machine or hardware? |
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| 13:16.23 | ScottG | bhuddah: ah. it is probably virtual |
| 13:16.36 | ScottG | bhuddah: it's on a hosting provider |
| 13:16.47 | ScottG | bluevm specifically |
| 13:16.52 | ScottG | that probably explains this then? |
| 13:17.02 | bhuddah | ScottG: check the output of dmidecode -t system |
| 13:17.05 | ScottG | I'd still imagine there would be a way to fix |
| 13:17.42 | ScottG | bhuddah: hm i don't have that command. let me see if i can get it |
| 13:18.06 | bhuddah | ScottG: this depends on the configuration of the hypervisor. if the hypervisor keeps the time, you can't set it correctly sometimes. but we could try something else... |
| 13:18.58 | ScottG | bhuddah: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted |
| 13:19.05 | bhuddah | ScottG: are you root? |
| 13:19.16 | ScottG | i ran it as sudo |
| 13:19.26 | themill | a directly attached GPS is going to win over other ntp servers |
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| 13:19.38 | ScottG | bhuddah: yeah running it as root didn't wokr either |
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| 13:19.42 | bhuddah | ScottG: okay. so it's probably a virtualized system. |
| 13:19.51 | ScottG | yeah |
| 13:20.00 | bhuddah | ScottG: i would suggest contacting the provider as how to properly work with the time on the virtual system. |
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| 13:20.25 | ScottG | That's a good idea |
| 13:20.45 | bhuddah | ScottG: probably they even have a faq for that already. |
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| 13:23.10 | ScottG | Looks like they have a irc channel? lol |
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| 13:29.17 | bhuddah | ScottG: and did you have some success? :) |
| 13:31.53 | ScottG | Lots of people on the channel idling apparently lol |
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| 13:35.19 | ChrisH | ScottG: What is your Question? How to I force a time jump ? |
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| 13:35.55 | ScottG | ChrisH: Just how to set the time |
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| 13:36.48 | ChrisH | ScottG: stop ntp and run ntpdate tock.usshc.com ; If this is a Virtual System it can fail to set the time. Then the time on the host must be corrected |
| 13:37.47 | jelly | ScottG, ChrisH: alternatively, add -g as parameter to /etc/default/ntp and just restart the service |
| 13:38.09 | themill | if it's not already there |
| 13:38.39 | jelly | if it's there, remove it then the problem is reduced to the previous one |
| 13:39.16 | themill | ScottG: what's "uname -r" on that box? |
| 13:39.26 | bhuddah | that's a good idea :) |
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| 13:40.40 | WilliamDotSI | can i rsync only for example folders starting with A - P? |
| 13:40.46 | WilliamDotSI | (so i can run multiple threads...) |
| 13:41.40 | ChrisH | WilliamDotSI: should work, but rsync creates high Disk and Filesystem IO. I would not expect to much speedup |
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| 13:42.04 | jelly | ChrisH: I would. We've run 5-10 rsyncs in parallel to great effect |
| 13:42.27 | WilliamDotSI | ChrisH: im doing over Samba from a WIndows source |
| 13:42.33 | WilliamDotSI | so each thread is limited to 30MB/s |
| 13:42.49 | WilliamDotSI | using multiple does work without much issue as the server running rsync is quite new |
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| 13:43.58 | ChrisH | WilliamDotSI: OK, then creating a corresponding regexp like [A-P]* [P-Z]* |
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| 13:48.43 | ScottG | bhuddah: They just fixed it :) |
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| 13:48.57 | ScottG | Not sure why there was the time skew in the first place though. Gonna ask |
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| 13:49.23 | WilliamDotSI | hm does not work in an include statement ChrisH |
| 13:49.25 | bhuddah | :) |
| 13:49.28 | WilliamDotSI | still syncs everything in the folder |
| 13:51.16 | ChrisH | WilliamDotSI: Include on commandline? |
| 13:51.18 | WilliamDotSI | rsync -u -rz --progress --include='[A-D]*' mnt/ /zfs/movies/ -vv does show me only the A-P ones |
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| 13:51.33 | WilliamDotSI | but then it starts to transfer a file starting with 12. |
| 13:51.57 | ChrisH | WilliamDotSI: I did never get include and exclides from commandline to work. put them into a file and it did as expected |
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| 13:56.57 | WilliamDotSI | and wehat do i use then ChrisH? |
| 13:57.04 | WilliamDotSI | --files-from --include-from ..? |
| 13:57.13 | WilliamDotSI | both make no sense with a regex |
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| 13:58.07 | WilliamDotSI | and again |
| 13:58.13 | WilliamDotSI | matches pattern, shows me A-D |
| 13:58.17 | WilliamDotSI | then proceeds to sync 12.* |
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| 14:00.22 | ChrisH | --include-from |
| 14:00.29 | WilliamDotSI | yea thats what i did |
| 14:00.39 | WilliamDotSI | debug shows me again A-D* fine as included |
| 14:00.48 | WilliamDotSI | then starts to sync what debug did *not* show me.. |
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| 14:07.39 | bullgard4 | I booted a Grml 2013.2 thumb drive to inspect a X201 Thinkpad having installed Windows 7 Professional. This was a preparation for a subsequent Debian 7 installation. What is the proper way to unmount this thumb drive and shut down the computer? |
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| 14:09.15 | jelly | bullgard4: ask in #grml, or try shutting it down or rebooting the usual way. |
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| 14:09.46 | bullgard4 | jelly: I do not know "the usual way". |
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| 14:10.29 | jelly | bullgard4: shutdown -t now |
| 14:10.33 | DandyPandy | I think I'm having a pam issue. I've enabled pam_access.so and pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/sshd and /etc/pam.d/login, but the ulimits I've set in limits.conf aren't getting changed and users outside of the ones I've listed in access.conf are still able to ssh in. I'm running wheezy. Thoughts? |
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| 14:18.15 | jelly | DandyPandy: can you pastebin your grep -vE '^(#|$)' /etc/security/limits.conf and /etc/pam.d/sshd and output of "ulimit -a" and "ulimit -aH" for a ssh-logged user that ought to get custom limits? |
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| 14:23.59 | DandyPandy | jelly: of course, limits looks like it's working now, but here's the access.conf stuff. https://gist.github.com/dgivens/2185d3c83020a36ab9e1 |
| 14:24.31 | DandyPandy | lnx-rs-heat-ops and lnx-rs-heat-dev are ldap groups. |
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| 14:27.18 | jelly | DandyPandy: I don't know anything about pam_access, but this comment looks, perhaps, useful # To avoid problems with accounts, which have the same name as a group, you can use brackets around group names '(group)' to differentiate. |
| 14:27.21 | DandyPandy | jelly: oh, the things with limits was they weren't applying to elasticsearch when it was started via init script. In that case I added pam_limits.so to common-session-noninteractive in addition to login. I ended up setting ulimit in the init script |
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| 14:27.56 | DandyPandy | There are no name collisions between the two. The problem is users outside of those listed or members of those groups can still log in. |
| 14:28.08 | jelly | DandyPandy: of course, for obvious reasons pam_limits and limits.conf applies to PAM-enabled services only |
| 14:28.57 | DandyPandy | jelly: yes, and all of the documentation for elasticsearch says to increase the files limit via limits.conf :) |
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| 14:29.50 | jelly | DandyPandy: that implies elasticsearch devs are moro^H^H^H^Hnot versed in starting up services via init scripts |
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| 14:32.15 | DandyPandy | jelly: it's executing a java process. That's not rocket surgery. |
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| 14:32.42 | jelly | DandyPandy: well, if upstream devs knew everything, what would distro maintainers do |
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| 14:35.30 | jelly | DandyPandy: IME, if your java dev knows about jsvc or java-service-wrapper, they already quite above average :-| |
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| 14:38.52 | debbix | Hi, is it possible to redirect all connection through a local proxy ? |
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| 14:39.27 | GSport | are you using piv6? |
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| 14:39.32 | GSport | ipv6 |
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| 14:39.39 | debbix | no |
| 14:40.07 | GSport | i guess we need more ipv6 days |
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| 14:41.36 | jelly | GSport: are YOU using ipv6? |
| 14:41.42 | ksk | debbix: this should be easily possible by setting your default route |
| 14:42.04 | debbix | ksk: how do i do that ? |
| 14:42.09 | GSport | cant say i am |
| 14:43.48 | DandyPandy | jelly: I found the issue with access.conf. No UsePAM in sshd_config. |
| 14:43.59 | jelly | ha |
| 14:44.16 | DandyPandy | jelly: I'm generating my sshd_config via chef and I must have missed putting that in there. |
| 14:44.39 | jelly | DandyPandy: shot yourself in the foot with nondefault config there |
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| 14:52.04 | DandyPandy | jelly: crap, it was there, but I needed to restart sshd to get the addition of pam_access.so to be recognized. Derpitty derp derp |
| 14:53.56 | jelly | DandyPandy: oh, that's weird, I think other services pick up pam changes immediately |
| 14:55.10 | DandyPandy | I was under the same assumption. I think since I added the module, it was different. I can change access.conf on the fly now and it works like a champ. |
| 14:55.43 | jelly | dpkg, give DandyPandy a cookie |
| 14:55.43 | dpkg | gives DandyPandy a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up. |
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| 15:16.07 | _d0t | hi. How do I update openssl on debian stable at least to 1.0.0 without overhauling the whole system? |
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| 15:17.06 | jelly | _d0t: it's already at 1.0.1e |
| 15:17.16 | jelly | NEXT |
| 15:18.19 | _d0t | wait.. wheezy is already released? Ouch |
| 15:18.30 | _d0t | i'm on squeeze, sorry |
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| 15:19.16 | jelly | !release history |
| 15:19.16 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
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| 15:25.34 | zhr0 | got a asus p5q3 deluxe wifi motherboard where can i get its drivers to debian? |
| 15:26.38 | nach0z | huh. never knew that about Debian releases |
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| 15:28.38 | jelly | ... the more you know |
| 15:28.52 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell zhr0 about wifi |
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| 15:29.50 | ChrisH | zhr0: take the bots infos as starting point to find out and in case of additional questions come back. Consider Wifi not supported during netinstall. (this is not compelte true but easier to remember) |
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| 15:34.43 | zhr0 | ChrisH, could you point me the exact link part of the drivers, there is lot info there |
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| 15:37.41 | zhr0 | ChrisH, these are the specs http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q3_DeluxeWiFiAP_n/#specifications |
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| 15:37.50 | zhr0 | Intel P45/ICH10R with IntelĀ® Fast Memory Access(FMA) support. |
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| 15:38.32 | zhr0 | my network manager keeps syncing in and out on the wired conection |
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| 15:39.05 | ChrisH | Did you run /msg dpkg what's my wireless |
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| 15:39.41 | ChrisH | disable WLAN until you know what card is installed. |
| 15:39.56 | zhr0 | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
| 15:40.05 | zhr0 | irc is getting good lol |
| 15:40.40 | mfoo | Hi, if the md5sum of a package with a specific version changes (e.g. the package was re-released with a bug fix and somebody forgot to bump the version), will a client with that version installed notice a difference and pull the changed version? |
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| 15:41.44 | zhr0 | ChrisH, stupid me, i have an alfa card awsu36h chipset Realtek 8187L |
| 15:41.47 | jelly | mfoo: package without version bumped won't pass debian's upload process. Are you talking about a custom package in a custom repo? |
| 15:41.51 | zhr0 | i just need the driver right? |
| 15:41.55 | mfoo | jelly, yes |
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| 15:42.40 | ChrisH | zhr0: you would like to confirm using lspci -nn | grep Network |
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| 15:42.52 | jelly | mfoo: "don't do that" :-) in my experience, apt pulls the new package but reuses the current installation scripts |
| 15:43.22 | mfoo | jelly, yep, I'm just trying to introduce a similar concept to maven's snapshot builds for development releases to apt |
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| 15:43.33 | mfoo | without having to put a timestamp in the deb version |
| 15:43.56 | mfoo | i.e. maven will always fetch the latest version when the package is a snapshot |
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| 15:44.13 | zhr0 | lspci -nn | grep Network aint retrieving nothing |
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| 15:45.05 | zhr0 | but im positive sure it is that one |
| 15:45.32 | lintguy | Hm, anyone mounting/using hfsplus without issues? |
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| 15:45.42 | ChrisH | zhr0: maybe its usb attached |
| 15:46.00 | Rackmount | lintguy: hfs as in Mac filesystem? |
| 15:46.23 | lintguy | yes |
| 15:46.42 | Rackmount | Hmmm... I wasn't aware Macs were still using hfs. I thought they moved beyond that. |
| 15:46.45 | zhr0 | ChrisH, do i install drivers with usb attached or unplugged? |
| 15:47.06 | lintguy | Rackmount: Noep, still stomping old floor. |
| 15:47.34 | jelly | mfoo: you're going to need _something_ increasing monotonically, doesn't have to be timestamps tho |
| 15:47.34 | Rackmount | lintguy: are you seeing some kind of error message when trying to mount hfs+? |
| 15:47.39 | lintguy | Though it's been patched during the years. |
| 15:48.27 | lintguy | Rackmount: No, but last time i tried using it 3 years ago, the drive got corrupted and i was not able to repair it. |
| 15:48.38 | lintguy | Rackmount: (i did disable journaling) |
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| 15:48.42 | mfoo | jelly, ok, figured as much, cheers :) |
| 15:49.41 | lintguy | Rackmount: I'm scrolling through the changelog, but there is too much for me to make sense of. |
| 15:49.43 | ChrisH | zhr0: you do simple load the module I would disable WLAN/Wifi unti then |
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| 15:50.12 | zhr0 | but usb stays plugged? |
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| 15:50.25 | lintguy | Rackmount: I guess it's best to ask the user list. |
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| 15:51.09 | ChrisH | zhr0: If you can physically unplug it, remove it. udev should load the corresponding modules automatically later |
| 15:51.37 | zhr0 | ok |
| 15:51.38 | Rackmount | lintguy: I've not messed with hfs filesystems in a LONG time, but myself, I'm not aware of any inherent problems. |
| 15:51.47 | Rackmount | Searches on http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ don't seem to turn anything up. |
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| 15:52.58 | lintguy | Rackmount: Already looking there, but it seems like since it went 1.x it's stable enough. |
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| 15:54.04 | lintguy | Rackmount: Yeah.. so, this is really worrying: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266008#10 |
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| 15:54.34 | lintguy | Rackmount: Basically there is no future for hfsplus right now, until someone ports hfs from apple. |
| 15:54.52 | lintguy | Rackmount: So i'll just setup a new NAS cluster earlier than originally planned. |
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| 15:55.04 | Rackmount | lintguy: yeeeaaaahh, I dunno about that package. I'd be VERY wary about using me. |
| 15:55.05 | zhr0 | first i unplug or unload drivers? |
| 15:55.05 | zhr0 | i mean module |
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| 15:55.13 | Rackmount | s/me/it. |
| 15:55.33 | Rackmount | Wow, that is probably one of the silliest typos I have ever committed. |
| 15:56.18 | nach0z | I lol'd a little inside |
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| 15:57.03 | Rackmount | *sigh* This m6502 screensaver is making me nostalgic... |
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| 15:58.19 | Rackmount | nach0z: a psychologist would probably have a field day with that one. |
| 15:58.30 | Nach0z | Rackmount: probably so, yes |
| 15:58.35 | Nach0z | a grammar nazi more so |
| 15:58.37 | Rackmount | "So, how long have you associated yourself with a filesystem driver?" |
| 15:58.53 | lintguy | :) |
| 15:58.54 | Nach0z | oh thought you meant something else |
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| 15:59.01 | Nach0z | yeah a psychologist would love you lol |
| 15:59.13 | Rackmount | ELIZA: "Is being a filesystem driver the reason you came here today?" |
| 16:00.00 | Nach0z | "This probably stems from the fact that your parents used to tell you to put your things away all the time, therefore you inherently see yourself as nothing more but a gateway to a storage area" |
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| 16:00.07 | Rackmount | shoots emacs in the face... |
| 16:00.18 | Nach0z | Rackmount: try a different OS |
| 16:00.45 | Nach0z | ba-dum-tss |
| 16:01.04 | Rackmount | Nach0z: lol |
| 16:02.15 | Nach0z | I honestly have nothing against emacs personally |
| 16:02.19 | Nach0z | but it's fun to make jokes about it |
| 16:02.35 | jelly | !start an editor war |
| 16:02.35 | dpkg | ae blows! |
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| 16:02.58 | jelly | eh, noone will dispute that |
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| 16:03.22 | Nach0z | lol |
| 16:03.46 | Rackmount | vim bitches!!!! |
| 16:04.43 | Rackmount | Actually, I'd probably use emacs more if I had a better understanding of it. |
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| 16:08.38 | Nach0z | I'm a nano person myself |
| 16:08.59 | vectory | Rackmount: circular logic, you'd prolly understand it better if you used it more |
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| 16:10.40 | Nach0z | vectory: it's not a circle so much as like a 6 or something. you can also gain understanding via reading up on it. |
| 16:10.59 | Nach0z | that's probably not completely sufficient but it's a start |
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| 16:11.18 | RafaelK | hello folks |
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| 16:13.46 | RafaelK | i'm trying to make bash skript, which creates folders tree with "mkdir -p /rootDir/{A,B,C}" . in wheezy works this fine but in raspbian not |
| 16:14.49 | RafaelK | also it makes "/rootDir/{A,B,C}" path instead of /rootDir/A , /rootDir/B , /rootDir/C folders |
| 16:15.15 | RafaelK | which option sets possibility for creating folders tree? |
| 16:16.04 | jordanm | RafaelK: if it's creating a path with a literal {}, then you are not executing it with bash |
| 16:16.22 | jordanm | ksh, bash, and zsh support brace expansions, shells such as dash do not |
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| 16:17.34 | RafaelK | aaah jordanm thanks |
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| 16:18.03 | RafaelK | it was /bin/sh |
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| 16:21.18 | RafaelK | strange: if i set script to dash then works this script as expected and sh pints to dash also /bin/sh -> dash , why makes bash and sh difference? |
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| 16:38.36 | rudi_s | RafaelK: Because dash and bash are different shells with different features. If you want to use bash features, use #!/bin/bash, not #!/bin/sh. |
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| 16:40.30 | RafaelK | rudi_s : if i make ls -la /bin/sh i see following "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 30 2012 /bin/sh -> dash" |
| 16:40.48 | rudi_s | RafaelK: Yes?! |
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| 16:42.02 | RafaelK | says irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#!/bin/sh line not "use /bin/sh binary file" ? |
| 16:42.20 | rudi_s | RafaelK: What? |
| 16:42.26 | dondelelcaro | RafaelK: yes, but /bin/sh is dash, which doesn't support brace expansion |
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| 16:44.10 | dimitry7 | Hi guys. How can I install security patches in debian? |
| 16:44.18 | dimitry7 | i have wheezy repos enabled |
| 16:44.42 | somiaj | !security |
| 16:44.42 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 16:45.17 | RafaelK | aaaah guys : i thought symlink points to bash but here is dash :-P lol |
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| 16:46.05 | somiaj | RafaelK: it points to dash because of system scripts (think the scripts needed when installing and uninstalling packages) don't always work with bash |
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| 16:47.19 | dondelelcaro | no, it points to dash because dash is a faster shell than bash |
| 16:47.37 | RafaelK | ;) dpkg-reconfigure dash -> choose "NO" |
| 16:47.41 | dondelelcaro | everything that dash can do bash can also do, but not vice versa |
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| 16:47.53 | dondelelcaro | RafaelK: you don't actually want to change that |
| 16:47.54 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh I was mistaken thanks. (: |
| 16:48.11 | dondelelcaro | RafaelK: if you want to use bashisms like foo/{A,B,C}, make #!/bin/sh #!/bin/bash |
| 16:48.35 | dondelelcaro | (the primary reason why it's a faster shell is just because dash is very small, and bash is much larger) |
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| 16:49.04 | RafaelK | thanks |
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| 16:50.46 | maxdml | isn't there any kind of documentation for partman, please? =/ |
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| 16:54.48 | jkyle | I'm looking at a deb source. there's a note in debian/rules about a env var: DEB_USE_OPENSSL. Says if this is set, it'll compile against libssl-dev |
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| 16:55.15 | jkyle | does this mean I can do: export DEB_USE_OPENSSL=true; apt-get install thepackage |
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| 16:55.43 | somiaj | jkyle: if it currently is not compiled against OPENSSL you will have to actually compile it yourself |
| 16:55.58 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, Debian wheezy has some new stuff on KVM, but does it have already mac-v-tap or we still have to make bridges? |
| 16:56.01 | jkyle | wait, no. that's not right. It must be for repackaging. e.g.: export DEB_USE_OPENSSL=true && debuild -S |
| 16:56.02 | somiaj | jkyle: so use deb-buildpackage against the source (after you set that en vari of course) |
| 16:56.07 | hesco | This /sbin/fdisk -l | /bin/grep 'xvda' | /bin/grep "doesn't contain a valid partition table" keeps returning a line which includes '/dev/xvdb' and not xvda. Did someone rewrite grep in my sleep to mess with my head? What is this about? |
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| 16:56.37 | somiaj | jkyle: you could also do it in one command 'DEB_USE_OPENSSL=true debuild -S' and not have to export it |
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| 16:56.58 | Jonuz | wtf, apache2 is running even though I have removed apache2 |
| 16:57.12 | Jonuz | "Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed" |
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| 16:57.34 | Jonuz | top -u www-data shows apaches processes |
| 16:57.35 | somiaj | hesco: grep only parses stdout, stderr is not parsed and the error message is common from the program that way |
| 16:57.40 | jkyle | kill it |
| 16:57.44 | hesco | perhaps that is STDERR I'm seeing and its not being returned by grep afdterall |
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| 16:58.21 | hesco | somiaj: thanks. that is exactly the same conclusion I had just come to. thansk for yoru help. |
| 16:58.26 | somiaj | hesco: if you really want to parse that out you'd have to redirect, I belive it would be something like 'fdisk -l 2>&1 | grep foo' |
| 16:58.39 | hesco | thanks |
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| 16:58.46 | hesco | testing that now |
| 16:59.06 | hesco | perfect. thanks somiaj! |
| 16:59.44 | somiaj | hesco: though fixing your parttion table might help (: |
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| 17:00.14 | armin | hi, i'm running debian jessie on a thinkpad x220 - i'm not able to enable 3d effects (transparency, shadows) in kde, however in xfce i have shadows + transparency. any hint how to get compositing to work with kde? |
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| 17:08.20 | somiaj | armin: there is a #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net that may be of more help |
| 17:09.36 | rryoumaa | speaking of compositing, does the feature in compiz where you zoom using the mouse wheel and the entire screen zooms (i.e. not just lamely displaying in a window) /require/ compositing? |
| 17:10.13 | armin | somiaj: thx |
| 17:10.25 | armin | rryoumaa: yes |
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| 17:11.40 | rryoumaa | ok, thanks. i am looking for a program that will do that, so any hints on how to do it are welcome. |
| 17:11.49 | rryoumaa | how to find such a program* |
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| 17:12.06 | urseus | hey there i'm making a deb package via 'Debreate', my application depends to libdeclarative-multimedia package, i add that package as depends, i successfully created a deb package, when i try to install it i'm getting an error as "Package libdeclarative-multimedia is not installed." and "Errors were encountered while processing:" weird part i'm able to install libdeclarative-multimedia package via aptitude and my application works f |
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| 17:12.38 | somiaj | urseus: did you try to install your package with dpkg? |
| 17:12.45 | urseus | somiaj: yes |
| 17:13.16 | somiaj | urseus: dpkg does not have the ability to goto the sources and install missing packages. It can only install packages if the depends are met. If they are not met it won't figure it out and get them for you |
| 17:13.50 | somiaj | note after you install a .deb and get failed dpends. If they can be made 'apt-get -f install' will usually go get them for you |
| 17:14.09 | urseus | somiaj: oh i got it |
| 17:14.12 | urseus | let me try |
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| 17:17.31 | urseus | somiaj: yup aptitude solved the issue, so this is common behaviout of dpkg, i thought it's gonna download dependent packages automatically |
| 17:18.05 | somiaj | no dpkg is the low level tool that actually installs/removes the packages from the system. It only checks to see that depends are made or if there are any conflicts |
| 17:18.32 | somiaj | apt/aptitude are front ends to dpkg that have knowledge of how to fetch packages along with intelligence on figuring out how to resolve dependency issues. |
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| 17:20.50 | urseus | somiaj: oh thanks for your time |
| 17:21.22 | rryoumaa | what are the best ways to browse and search packages, show their descriptions, etc.? all i know of are aptitude, apt-cache, apt-file, apt-xapian-index, and synaptic. i'm looking for something maybe hyperlinked, with nice presentation of description, etc. |
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| 17:22.12 | somiaj | rryoumaa: so you want something more visual? would packages.debian.org do what you want? |
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| 17:22.41 | somiaj | though it really only links depends and the likes, and doens't search though descriptions of packages like apt-cache or apt-xapian-index will |
| 17:22.45 | rryoumaa | somiaj: it's ok, just thought perhaps there would be something i could run on my machine that is fast |
| 17:23.12 | somiaj | rryoumaa: yea I guess I don't see why you need more tools than that, (: |
| 17:23.18 | somiaj | I haven't seen any myself |
| 17:23.30 | rryoumaa | looking for something rich like apt-xapian-index, and also decent visual presentation (although can be cli) and maybe hyperlinked. |
| 17:23.49 | jelly-home | and a pony! |
| 17:23.55 | rryoumaa | yes! a pony! |
| 17:24.21 | jelly-home | goes implementing apt-pony eight away |
| 17:24.35 | jelly-home | seven |
| 17:24.54 | scootypuff | does mate play well with debian? i know its not included in debian's repos, but can i install it without breaking things? |
| 17:24.57 | somiaj | rryoumaa: what are you searching for? |
| 17:24.59 | rryoumaa | like say i am looking at fdupes, and it shows a tag, and i click on the tag, and it shows popularity-contest sorted by popularity, and i click on another one, and it says it depends on xyz, and i click on that, and so on. |
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| 17:25.07 | rryoumaa | somiaj: general, open-ended question |
| 17:25.15 | jelly-home | scootypuff: not really, if it were that simple, it would be in debian |
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| 17:25.47 | rryoumaa | or say i am looking for a window manager. showing popularity would be useful there, and links to home pages too. |
| 17:26.13 | jelly-home | what you're describing sounds like a great tool |
| 17:26.22 | rryoumaa | i really like how synaptic shows you what fonts look like sometimes. i want more of that type of thing. |
| 17:26.36 | pmo | aww i had hoped the kernel fix and new nvidia drivers would have solved my kernel panic :/ |
| 17:27.03 | somiaj | pmo: stop scaring it? Running testing/unstable I take it (: |
| 17:27.23 | pmo | testing always :) but its not about that :P |
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| 17:27.39 | pmo | desktop usage |
| 17:27.54 | somiaj | I prefer sid myself, faster fixes (: |
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| 17:30.45 | LV-426 | t/f: with the cifs module loaded, despite /proc/filesystems not showing smbfs, I should still be able to mount -t smbfs ? (unable to test currently...) |
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| 17:32.06 | jelly-home | LV-426: there is no -t smbfs on my wheezy any more, it's -t cifs or bust |
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| 17:33.21 | somiaj | pmo: have an extra partition you can install a stable base system on (see if you get kernel panics there). Or ways to check your hardware? |
| 17:33.32 | LV-426 | jelly-home, ok, I'll just give it a go tomorrow, thanks |
| 17:34.46 | pmo | somiaj, i have :) |
| 17:34.56 | pmo | the older kernels also work :) |
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| 17:35.09 | pmo | and on all other machines that arent nvidia :) |
| 17:35.25 | pmo | so i know its the kernel and something to do with the nvidia package |
| 17:35.41 | somiaj | pmo: what kernel and nvidia version? |
| 17:35.57 | pmo | i would have to reboot to check that |
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| 17:36.03 | pmo | its latest of both |
| 17:36.09 | somiaj | pmo: on sid I was able to run 3.10 with nvidia from experimential with no pancis |
| 17:36.10 | pmo | i think a bot in here can output them |
| 17:36.19 | somiaj | pmo: latest for jessie? |
| 17:36.26 | pmo | its the 3.10.* that fails |
| 17:36.27 | pmo | yea |
| 17:36.33 | pmo | 3.9.* works fine |
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| 17:36.46 | somiaj | though I did have to patch the nvidia drivers to get them to compile against 3.10 -- though I think that may be fixed |
| 17:37.07 | pmo | yea when i updated again it did do new nvidia drivers |
| 17:37.18 | somiaj | pmo: think about trying the nvidia from experimential? though not sure how well stuff like that owuld install on jessie. as I said I prefer sid over testing as I can play with things a bit easier |
| 17:37.25 | pmo | had hoped it was fixed when both nvidia drivers and the kernel were upgraded |
| 17:37.43 | pmo | i have thought of going sid on this machine tho :) |
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| 17:37.58 | kni | umm |
| 17:38.02 | pmo | since i know a reinstall would work |
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| 17:38.22 | kni | i seem to be completely incapable of adding new users |
| 17:38.26 | kni | because i am dumb |
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| 17:38.30 | somiaj | pmo: testing kinda has its own issues, sid has more grave bugs, but gets faster fixes. Testing has slow fixes and gets some unique mixing bugs not found in sid. |
| 17:38.49 | somiaj | kni: 'sudo adduser username' should be enough, or un adduser as root |
| 17:38.56 | pmo | hehe bugs are fine, just not kernel panics hehe |
| 17:39.19 | kni | well I can add the user fine, but can't login remotely |
| 17:39.27 | pmo | most devs that use debian also tend to be on sid |
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| 17:39.47 | kni | but i think it might just be an ssh thing |
| 17:40.04 | somiaj | kni: remotely as via ssh? check your ssh config and make sure you dno't have some white list only thing |
| 17:40.38 | pmo | anyways its not super important to me, the other boxes run fine |
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| 17:41.08 | pmo | i could also disable the nvidia hardware and enable the intel hardware instead |
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| 17:45.17 | somiaj | pmo: so sandybridge/nvidia hibread type device, I didn't realize you could get nvidia support with those yet. |
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| 17:46.45 | pmo | sandybridge cpu's (almost all) come with intergrated graphics from intel, and i have a graphics card from nvidia somiaj |
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| 17:47.07 | pmo | i can switch between them in the bios |
| 17:47.19 | pmo | or enable both |
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| 17:47.27 | pmo | should i want extra monitors |
| 17:47.41 | somiaj | pmo: oh that makes more sense, I was thinking of the dual setup that would switch on the fly. For a while the laptops with both sandybridge intel and the nvidia mobile device you could only get the sandy bridge to work |
| 17:47.50 | somiaj | but yea having an external card makes more sense. (: |
| 17:47.59 | somiaj | (Well not external but an actual card vs the integrated system) |
| 17:48.09 | pmo | ah its a desktop hehe |
| 17:48.16 | pmo | ah |
| 17:48.28 | pmo | on a laptop you can |
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| 17:48.39 | pmo | and yes gives issues on linux sometimes hehe |
| 17:48.52 | pmo | they are supposed to auto switch, they are manual on linux |
| 17:49.40 | pmo | intel gpu for stuff that doesnt require much, if you load anything up that needs more gpu power it switches to nvidia |
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| 17:50.57 | justanotheruser | My Asus Laptop model A55A doesn't rightclick in a distro that is forked from wheezy. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 17:51.13 | somiaj | justanotheruser: go ask the distro you use |
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| 17:51.24 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 17:51.24 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 17:52.08 | pmo | (this is why you need to install debian yourself, and add whatever window manager they use) |
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| 17:53.18 | justanotheruser | Well it's crunchbang, so it is almost exactly debian |
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| 17:53.58 | somiaj | justanotheruser: we do not support crunchbang, we support debian, if you choose crunchbang use their support |
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| 17:55.05 | pmo | justanotheruser, go to #chrunchbang (they have good support, but you get better support on their forum) |
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| 17:55.21 | pmo | #crunchbang i mean |
| 17:55.52 | justanotheruser | ok thanks |
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| 17:56.33 | pmo | to be fair #! more or less is debian no changes really, but rules are rules, made to be respected :) |
| 17:59.46 | somiaj | pmo: yea sometimes it seems a bit silly, but I have grown to like the idea that you choose the community/support with the distro you choose. And I would rather just see people just use debian proper and not all the current fork of the season |
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| 18:01.16 | cybrNaut | tor users-- is there a tool to list current connections and the remote host involved? |
| 18:01.28 | pmo | somiaj, yea and the #! support is fine enough :) |
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| 18:01.56 | pmo | its like if there is some error, it will posted on the forum with copy paste solutions |
| 18:02.01 | pmo | they are handfeed :P |
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| 18:02.55 | jelly-home | that's a combination of handholding and spoonfeeding |
| 18:03.00 | pmo | reminds we, i should look on their forum for a c/p solution for my debian issue hehe |
| 18:03.16 | pmo | me* |
| 18:06.10 | somiaj | was trying to find that page that told the history of #debian in a funny way (talking about the #debian kingdom) thought it was on the wiki |
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| 18:06.30 | jelly-home | !fable |
| 18:06.30 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 18:06.59 | somiaj | ahh there it is, I kept thinking myth for some reason |
| 18:07.04 | somiaj | pmo: you should read that, (: |
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| 18:08.28 | pmo | hehe |
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| 18:13.21 | austeregrim | Soneone should do an audio book of the fable. |
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| 18:16.44 | gurgy | hi, is there any way to backup your /home files to your home pc? |
| 18:17.30 | somiaj | gurgy: many ways, what os does the home pc run? |
| 18:17.41 | gurgy | win 8 x64 |
| 18:18.05 | somiaj | gurgy: tar might be the best way, though you need to have enough space on your system to tar the whole /home directory |
| 18:18.32 | somiaj | gurgy: are you backing up multiple users or just a single user |
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| 18:18.42 | gurgy | miltiple users |
| 18:18.46 | gurgy | multiple |
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| 18:19.09 | somiaj | gurgy: yea tar will be what you want, because permissions will be saved in the tar file |
| 18:19.13 | somiaj | then you have a single file to copy over |
| 18:19.18 | austeregrim | I was just thinking you could do an nfs volume to a nas or something for home directory |
| 18:19.34 | somiaj | the draw back is you need space equal to the size of /home to make the tar |
| 18:19.47 | somiaj | austeregrim: permissions/owership would be lost due to the incompadable file system |
| 18:20.18 | gurgy | i think that will be fine :) in worst case i just go to my host and complain about too small discs.. |
| 18:20.51 | gurgy | so simply tar them and then what command to bring them to my home computer or is ftp recomended? |
| 18:20.59 | somiaj | gurgy: you can compress the tar file with gz or bz2 zip, but that will take cpu time and depending on what is troned in /home not save to much space |
| 18:20.59 | austeregrim | somiaj even if its a debian nas box? |
| 18:21.13 | somiaj | austeregrim: in that case no, but he wanted to copy to a win pc |
| 18:21.23 | austeregrim | I know thats not this guys question but just thinking out loud |
| 18:21.33 | somiaj | gurgy: copy the file how ever you want, ftp will be fine |
| 18:21.48 | somiaj | austeregrim: I prefer rsync over ssh if I have two debian boxes, no need to set up a nas |
| 18:21.57 | somiaj | also rsync will only copy files that have changed saving on banwidth |
| 18:21.58 | gurgy | okey thanks a lot :) |
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| 18:22.44 | austeregrim | somiaj i get you. But nfs is always fun to do. |
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| 18:23.20 | austeregrim | If on the same network of course. |
| 18:23.39 | austeregrim | Ive never nfs over the internet. |
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| 18:24.25 | somiaj | austeregrim: you can use rsync with nfs just fine once the filesystem is mounted, (: |
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| 18:25.16 | austeregrim | somiaj true but you could also just mount the nfs as /home |
| 18:25.27 | somiaj | but that wouldn't be a backup |
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| 18:25.55 | austeregrim | Well yes youre right. |
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| 18:26.16 | acu | I have taken 4 fps pictures and I want to make a movie out of them, what should I do ? |
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| 18:26.30 | austeregrim | Acu ffmpeg |
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| 18:28.12 | acu | austeregrim, I know, ffmpeg or mencoder, I need a command which will do tha |
| 18:28.14 | acu | t |
| 18:29.14 | austeregrim | acu i have a script i was using for timelapses but id have to find it... Yeah mencoder would probably be better for the video. Ill look for my script. |
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| 18:37.02 | austeregrim | Ffmpeg -i %04d.jpg -vcodec libx264 -r 30 -sameq output.mp4 |
| 18:37.25 | Guest54198 | I am inside a tmux shell and with echo $UID, I get 1000. Shouldn't I get 0 ? |
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| 18:38.38 | austeregrim | acu that takes a files in a folder with 4 digits of numbers encodes them with h264 at 30 frames per second and outputs to output.mp4 |
| 18:38.49 | ompaul | Guest54198: did you su - |
| 18:39.26 | Guest54198 | Obviously |
| 18:39.38 | ompaul | Guest54198: and it now says root@foo ? |
| 18:39.54 | ompaul | Guest54198: and not obviously I asked because I didn't know |
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| 18:40.19 | Guest54198 | yes it says root@localhost |
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| 18:40.24 | Guest54198 | I can run root op |
| 18:40.31 | Guest54198 | I have root priv |
| 18:40.32 | ompaul | and type id |
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| 18:41.11 | Guest54198 | ompaul: and id gives me what root would expect (uid 0, gid 0) |
| 18:41.26 | Guest54198 | ompaul: I can do all root crap but NOT dkms |
| 18:41.39 | ompaul | Guest54198: what's the dkms error? |
| 18:41.45 | ompaul | paste.debian.net if you need |
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| 18:42.26 | Guest54198 | ompaul: RUNNING dkms; UID is: 1000 |
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| 18:43.17 | ompaul | Guest54198: by any chance are you using vbox? |
| 18:44.11 | Guest54198 | no - |
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| 18:45.29 | Guest54198 | ompaul: I can do dkms by tty (direct root) but the moment I tmux, same story |
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| 18:45.47 | Guest54198 | ompaul: I am using wheezy |
| 18:45.56 | yehoshua | caio |
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| 18:47.26 | ompaul | Guest54198: tmux was invoked how? |
| 18:47.29 | daedeloth | Greetings. |
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| 18:47.34 | Guest54198 | su to root |
| 18:47.36 | Guest54198 | and then tmux |
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| 18:47.56 | daedeloth | I've recently upgrade to wheezy and now php-fpm is throwing segfaults on scripts that have been running for years |
| 18:48.12 | daedeloth | is there any knowledge on such issues? |
| 18:48.15 | ompaul | Guest54198: can you log in as root and see how you go |
| 18:48.53 | ompaul | Guest54198: if it still breaks then obviously its a tmux problem end to end |
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| 18:49.15 | VperVendemmia | saby |
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| 18:49.21 | Guest54198 | ompaul: same shit |
| 18:49.33 | ompaul | Guest54198: tmux bug list my friend |
| 18:49.40 | VperVendemmia | sabyy |
| 18:49.45 | ompaul | and then bug report against debian :) |
| 18:49.59 | yehoshua | ciao Mirko |
| 18:50.01 | ompaul | VperVendemmia: have you a depian question |
| 18:50.09 | ompaul | or debian |
| 18:50.09 | Guest54198 | ompaul: login to root, UID=0, tmux it and UID=1000 - |
| 18:50.14 | VperVendemmia | oddio eccoti scusa se ti parlavo losco |
| 18:50.17 | VperVendemmia | :) |
| 18:50.19 | ompaul | !it |
| 18:50.19 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:50.40 | yehoshua | mirko andiamo su debian-it |
| 18:50.46 | ompaul | Guest54198: bug report time, interesting capture of a problem |
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| 18:52.51 | Guest54198 | ompaul: I just installed screen and it works fine when login via. vtty (alt+ctrl+f?) BUT, screen through a xterm, UID=1000 (even after su). |
| 18:53.28 | Guest54198 | Either my system is going nuts, I am going nuts, or someting |
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| 18:55.03 | gurgy | haha ig got another question now... i would like this backup to run every week without me lifting a finger... i supose there is a way to do this |
| 18:55.56 | jordanm | cron |
| 18:56.15 | ompaul | Guest54198: I'd vote for something |
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| 18:58.28 | Guest54198 | ompaul: I vote for tmux bug, otherwise it means I will have to start figuring what's wrong with my system - nobody pays me to admin my home system |
| 18:58.31 | ompaul | Guest54198: it appears that for some technical reason it must have that 1000 I'm not going to dig too deap |
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| 18:58.49 | ompaul | Guest54198: search with following "uid of 1000 screen root" and go read some docs |
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| 18:59.50 | Guest54198 | yeah - I will try to see if I can replicate the behaviour in vm, read some docs and file bug report |
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| 19:00.20 | ompaul | Guest54198: it is an expected mode of operation |
| 19:00.22 | ompaul | read about it |
| 19:00.28 | ompaul | so therefore not a bug |
| 19:00.47 | ompaul | if you don't allow that behaviour you can't have screen / tmux effect |
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| 19:03.43 | Guest54198 | ompaul: yeah I know tmux/screen does inherit some stuff from parent shell and as it turns out, su only sets UID to 1000. So, EUID becomes 0 |
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| 19:05.13 | Guest54198 | ompaul: But in root shell, tmux shouldn't be inheriting only root stuff (so, UID=EUID=0). screen does it - tmux doesn't. Maybe there is a design difference. |
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| 19:07.03 | oo_miguel | I opened a console as another user and I am unable to run anything that displays a X window. like gvim |
| 19:07.11 | oo_miguel | How can I allow that for a particular user |
| 19:07.12 | ompaul | I guess, or it would be screen |
| 19:07.14 | oo_miguel | for my X session? |
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| 19:07.26 | ompaul | oo_miguel: that's now how you do it |
| 19:07.46 | ompaul | as your own user you do this ssh -X otherusername@localhost iceweasel |
| 19:07.48 | oo_miguel | How should I do it? |
| 19:07.56 | ompaul | or whatever X app you want to run |
| 19:08.09 | oo_miguel | will it be run with otherusername privileges? |
| 19:08.11 | oo_miguel | or with mine? |
| 19:08.21 | ompaul | theirs |
| 19:08.43 | xingu | well, technically, a little from column A and a little from column B. |
| 19:09.03 | ompaul | xingu: if you want to do that - please to it all the way ;-) |
| 19:09.13 | ompaul | steps back to let the lesson begin |
| 19:09.14 | oo_miguel | thx ompaul |
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| 19:09.55 | xingu | oo_miguel: the x11 security model isn't in any way compartmentalised, once a client can attach (as whichever euid), it can attach, and do whatever a client of a different euid can do. |
| 19:10.22 | xingu | oo_miguel: including things like grab the keyboard and scrape the screen. |
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| 19:10.58 | xingu | oo_miguel: so strictly speaking, the new client runs with the union of both euid's, rather than one or the other; because the x11 process is itself privileged. |
| 19:11.19 | ompaul | but it's access to local users files are only prohibited by the permissions in play, however ... running any program in your own space belonging to anyone else ... if there are holes may lead to interesting situations |
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| 19:11.53 | oo_miguel | ok, It does not work the ssh way, I will test if I can run it, simply logging in as the other user, and running his own X |
| 19:11.54 | ompaul | in other words ill advised |
| 19:12.09 | ompaul | oo_miguel: you have X running as user X |
| 19:12.11 | ompaul | sorry |
| 19:12.18 | ompaul | oo_miguel: you have X running as user fuser |
| 19:12.33 | oo_miguel | ompaul: ah |
| 19:12.36 | oo_miguel | it works |
| 19:12.39 | ompaul | oo_miguel: you want to run program foo by user y |
| 19:12.42 | oo_miguel | it was my fault |
| 19:12.51 | oo_miguel | I did not type the command properly.. ;) |
| 19:12.54 | ompaul | oo_miguel: I use this most days of the week :) |
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| 19:12.55 | xingu | (there's a reason the x11 model makes it easy to run new clients as the *dm-ly logged in user and hard otherwise) |
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| 19:13.25 | oo_miguel | ompaul: works perfectyly, thank you very much! |
| 19:13.45 | ompaul | oo_miguel: your welcome and remember what xingu said ... it is useful to think about that |
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| 19:14.31 | Rackmount | thinking sucks. |
| 19:14.41 | Rackmount | I'd rather just guess my way through. |
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| 19:14.56 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:15.03 | oo_miguel | ompaul: xingu: thank you for the security aspects, because I want to run it as another user , exacly because of security conerncs... |
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| 19:16.51 | msn | is debian missing libsss_ad.so |
| 19:16.51 | DexterF | there's a script *somewhere* on a machine and I do not know the name. I can pinpoint mtime to a few days and know some of the text content. how can I find that file? |
| 19:16.53 | twostone | oo_miguel: a sandbox might be more of an option in that case. Have a look at SELinux policies, might be, it's what you're after. |
| 19:17.04 | msn | doesnt seem to be part of the sssd package officially part of wheezy |
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| 19:22.26 | khaotik | Anyone dual boot with mSata? |
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| 19:24.34 | khaotik | I recently put an mSata drive in my laptop and did a fresh install of windows 7 and debian 7. The installation went fine, but upon reboot I don't get a grub menu. It boots directly to windows7 |
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| 19:25.56 | ag4ve | when i run: auditctl -a exit,always -F arch=64 -S connect |
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| 19:26.14 | ag4ve | i get: arch=64 mapping not found |
| 19:26.42 | ag4ve | google is comming up pretty slim and i'm not sure what this means or how to fix this? |
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| 19:26.54 | khaotik | can anyone give me suggestions? I have looked on every forum and have found nothing |
| 19:26.59 | ag4ve | *arch=64 elf mapping not found |
| 19:27.59 | jordanm | khaotik: did you install windows last? |
| 19:28.06 | ag4ve | khaotik: windows (used to) rewrite your mbr |
| 19:28.15 | khaotik | yes. I have installed many dual boots in my time |
| 19:28.19 | jordanm | it still does AFAIK |
| 19:28.35 | jordanm | khaotik: grub needs to be reinstalled after installing windows |
| 19:28.44 | khaotik | everything went like any other normal install. |
| 19:28.48 | jordanm | !tell khaotik about reinstall grub |
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| 19:28.57 | khaotik | thats what ive been thinking |
| 19:29.04 | jordanm | khaotik: it's not an issue if you install windows first |
| 19:29.19 | jordanm | which is usually the case, since windows often comes pre-installed |
| 19:29.26 | ag4ve | (or not at all) |
| 19:29.32 | khaotik | i would prefer using grub bootloader to windows |
| 19:30.40 | khaotik | ive been lost tho on some forums mentioning that my mSata port is 1 and not finding it because its looking to my hdd on port0 |
| 19:31.13 | ag4ve | that boot off of a cd, mount your linux disk, for i (dev proc sys); do mount --bind /$i /mnt/blah/$i ; done and chroot and grob-install and done |
| 19:31.44 | jordanm | khaotik: if you have two hard drives, you might just need to change the boot order in the bios |
| 19:31.45 | khaotik | I am sorry i had misread your post. I installed windows7 first and then debian 7 |
| 19:32.06 | khaotik | My BIOS is already pointing where it needs |
| 19:32.27 | jordanm | it's obviously not pointing to where grub is installed |
| 19:32.58 | khaotik | Does GRUB only look to boot from devices on port0?? |
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| 19:33.13 | mumpitzel | khaotik: no |
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| 19:33.41 | mumpitzel | khaotik: does your laptop use UEFI or BIOS |
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| 19:34.09 | khaotik | I have a uefi board, but i have disabled and gone legacy boot |
| 19:34.30 | mumpitzel | then what is the output of sudo fdisk -lĆ |
| 19:34.34 | mumpitzel | sudo fdisk -l |
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| 19:35.10 | jordanm | khaotik: it boots from whever you installed it |
| 19:35.17 | khaotik | I had everything working on a samsung ssd dual boot fine with grub until I found out I had an mSata slot and switched everything over |
| 19:35.20 | jordanm | if you installed it to hd1, your bios needs to boot hd1 |
| 19:35.40 | khaotik | yes my bios is pointing to my plextor mSata |
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| 19:35.52 | khaotik | HDD second |
| 19:35.59 | jordanm | point it at the HDD |
| 19:36.09 | mumpitzel | khaotik: you need to check what your BIOS sees as your first drive, cause it always boots from that by default. then install grub onto that drive BIOS sees as the first |
| 19:36.22 | mumpitzel | that's all. as a workaround, install grub to both |
| 19:36.29 | mumpitzel | with grub-install |
| 19:36.47 | khaotik | my mSata is my first drive |
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| 19:37.26 | khaotik | i didnt even have the hdd installed when i installed os's |
| 19:37.42 | jordanm | then reinstall grub |
| 19:37.58 | khaotik | there was no other drive for grub to install itself on but the msata |
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| 19:38.40 | khaotik | ok i will try reinstalling grub. I have not done that yet. I was reading up on GRUB 2 before i attempted that |
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| 19:39.22 | jordanm | the installation commands are the same as grub 1 |
| 19:40.02 | khaotik | i appreciate all the help. I will check back after attempting reinstalling grub |
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| 19:52.41 | julian37 | hi, I'm trying to make a package whose build depends on the source of another package. is this possible and if so, how do I specify the dependency? |
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| 20:00.37 | jordanm | julian37: you can declare depends on source packages since they not installable |
| 20:00.52 | jordanm | unless it's a binary package containing source code eg - alsa-source |
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| 20:01.58 | jordanm | julian37: maybe you can provide a better explination of the package you are trying to build and exactly what it depends on |
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| 20:03.40 | julian37 | jordanm: I'm trying to build a module for kamailio, which isn't in debian proper (they have their own repository). building a module involves including various headers from their source distribution |
| 20:04.04 | julian37 | jordanm: I suppose I can set the 'Built-Using' header and hardwire a path to the sources into the Makefile |
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| 20:04.23 | julian37 | jordanm: I was just hoping there was a cleaner approach |
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| 20:06.33 | jordanm | julian37: you will need to start with binary packages for kamalio. the header files should go into a seperate -dev binary package |
| 20:06.53 | jordanm | julian37: then your module for kamailio and build depend on that -dev package |
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| 20:08.10 | julian37 | jordanm: that makes sense. for a start I'll ask the kamailio maintainers to publish a -dev package as well |
| 20:08.17 | julian37 | jordanm: thank you |
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| 20:12.09 | jordanm | julian37: asking them with an included patch usually helps those things along :) |
| 20:12.11 | jordanm | julian37: np |
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| 20:28.47 | defnordic | hi, if I am running postgresql-9.2 and apt upgrade wants to install postgresql-9.3{a}, is that an alpha version? |
| 20:29.12 | GNU\colossus | pg 9.3 got released yesterday. |
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| 20:29.19 | GNU\colossus | are you using aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 20:29.31 | defnordic | aptitude |
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| 20:30.34 | defnordic | ah OK, just reading google results there is still talk of alpha and beta versions ^^ |
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| 20:31.48 | defnordic | so, can I/should I install this? I guess the immediate answer would be "backup and see if it works", but I am mainly wondering why it is installing a package with {a} |
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| 20:32.35 | defnordic | it would upgrade my 9.2 packages too, does that mean I get 9.3 to try, or will 9.2 be removed in a later upgrade? |
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| 20:32.57 | GNU\colossus | defnordic, have you ever done a pg upgrade? |
| 20:33.18 | GNU\colossus | I don't know how debian packages handle that, but it's not without manual intervention on other platforms |
| 20:33.26 | defnordic | GNU\colossus: I setup this server maybe not two months ago, this is my first upgrade that affects pg afaic |
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| 20:33.41 | GNU\colossus | defnordic, what release are you on, and where does your pg package come from? |
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| 20:35.44 | defnordic | ok, it's coming from my VPS providers APT mirror |
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| 20:45.57 | Pizza1990 | hi all, does anyone if skype on debian wheezy is stable?? |
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| 20:46.40 | mtn | Pizza1990: well, it works. don't know about stable. mostly so, I guess |
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| 20:46.51 | somiaj | it runs just fine. It does crash from time to time, but over all it isn't all the time |
| 20:46.59 | somiaj | as in rarely |
| 20:47.03 | Pizza1990 | thanks |
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| 20:47.23 | Pizza1990 | i tried it time ago on ubuntu 12.04 and it crashed during videocalls -.-' |
| 20:47.29 | Pizza1990 | silly proprietary things |
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| 20:53.27 | somiaj | I have done a few video calls with it only. Ocasionally one will crash, but restart it and it is usually fine |
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| 20:54.42 | Pizza1990 | somiaj: good to know! |
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| 20:59.00 | terminalRepeat | When you su to root, the default behaviour is to change both UID and EUID to 0 right ? For me, with just "su", only EUID gets to 0, UID remains 1000. The only way to get both EUID and UID to 0 is via "su -l". Any ideas ? |
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| 21:07.05 | jater | . |
| 21:07.14 | jater | Is it normal for my internet to fuck up when there is thunder and lightening? |
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| 21:07.57 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have a few SAMBA shares on my server. All the shares have permissions set to 755. One shares files are all owned by "user1" and the other share owned by "user2" just as example. All the files in "share1" are owned by "user1" and "share2" files all owned by "user2". When I log into my client machine I can access "share1" because Im guessing that the share and client usernames match (Im assuming). How can I stay logged in as "user1" but |
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| 21:10.11 | somiaj | terminalRepeat: 'su' and 'su -' are different, the second actually logs in as root (Giving you a full root enviroment) while the first gives you root privigalges without a full login. see the man page |
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| 21:10.58 | somiaj | hotwings: chroots/jailer may be what you want. Note it is possible to break out of such things (but it requires root access) |
| 21:11.49 | somiaj | hotwings: there are also restricted shells, but those are quite a pain to make secure |
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| 21:13.49 | hotwings | somiaj - thanks. i havent found any good debian chroot howtos. i did see the "jailer" package. jsut wasnt sure if thats a good option/easy to get setup or what |
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| 21:40.37 | multi_io | how do I see all packages apt knows from a specific repository? |
| 21:41.40 | magnulu | what is the difference between flashplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree (the latter which I cannot find...) |
| 21:43.26 | pmo | oh i see whats up with second error |
| 21:43.32 | pmo | no scripts work |
| 21:43.45 | pmo | err wrong channel |
| 21:44.34 | rryoumaa | magnulu: the latter downloads proprietary plugin. dunno what the former does. it is not in default wheezy. |
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| 21:45.31 | magnulu | rryoumaa: k.. I'm on squeeze.. thought I could find it throught contrib and non-free section, or deb-multimedia, but no |
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| 21:49.39 | multi_io | why does apt-get update not show the full paths of the repositories it's updating from? |
| 21:50.00 | reavengrey | to prevent keyloggers |
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| 21:50.07 | reavengrey | from loggin dem keyz |
| 21:50.48 | nkuttler | multi_io: hm, why do you need this info? |
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| 21:51.10 | laidback_01 | multi_io: just look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:51.34 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: mainly because the full path isn't particularly interesting |
| 21:51.47 | nkuttler | multi_io: or apt-cache policy or apt-show-versions |
| 21:51.47 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: but you can reconstruct that information, or get it with apt-cache show |
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| 21:52.14 | multi_io | I have like 10 repos there that all have the same host name and release name, only the request path differs. And the request path isn't shown. |
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| 21:52.44 | cusco | hi folks |
| 21:52.45 | dondelelcaro | uh... why would you have that many repositories? |
| 21:53.06 | cusco | I just booted a live cd to resize a debian install on /dev/sda , now it has sda1 sda2 and sda5 |
| 21:53.18 | cusco | sda1 has the rootfs and sda2 is extended |
| 21:53.22 | cusco | sda5 is swap |
| 21:53.24 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: but anyway, see the --print-uris option |
| 21:53.26 | cusco | wich one do I resizeĀ»? |
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| 21:53.27 | h1nd | hi all. I have Debian Wheezy running and ISPCONFIG3. I just manually upgraded my old ISP custom kernel and replaced it with the official Wheezy Kernel 3.2.0. Now my bastille-firewall doesn't work anymore. I have googled and found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638835 |
| 21:53.43 | h1nd | I have no clue how to install this patch. Anyone can assist me please? thanks |
| 21:54.14 | laidback_01 | cusco: you might want to boot the debian install again and review the output of command 'mount' without and params just to see where stuff is mounted. |
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| 21:54.48 | cusco | laidback_01: I only have the rootfs under sda1 and I can mount it, but as I want to resize it I have no interest in having it mounted |
| 21:54.59 | cusco | my doubt is between the extended partition or the linux partition |
| 21:55.07 | multi_io | you guys ask some strange questions...why do you need that, why do you have that many repos, the path isn't "interesting"... Why would I not want that? |
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| 21:55.27 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:55.39 | nkuttler | multi_io: can you paste your sources.list? |
| 21:55.59 | nkuttler | multi_io: it sounds like you have some third-party repos in there.. |
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| 21:59.30 | multi_io | nkuttler: yeah. actually it's an ubuntu machine here. |
| 21:59.44 | nkuttler | !ubuntu |
| 21:59.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 22:00.23 | multi_io | I have debian machines too, same problem there. |
| 22:00.49 | dondelelcaro | right, but Debian machines tend not to have more than two or three entries in their sources.list, so it's not normally an issue |
| 22:01.08 | nkuttler | multi_io: if it's a problem on Debian boxes you're doing something wrong |
| 22:01.11 | multi_io | it just manifests on the Ubuntu machine only, because only there I have multiple repositories w/ the same host / release |
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| 22:01.53 | multi_io | nkuttler: why? I could use e.g. apt-proxy |
| 22:01.57 | multi_io | or approx |
| 22:02.20 | multi_io | and have 20 repos mirrored on the same host, under different paths |
| 22:02.22 | nkuttler | multi_io: that doesn't change anything, but anyway.. |
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| 22:03.13 | multi_io | did that for a while, had the same problem there |
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| 22:03.54 | multi_io | nkuttler: you mean you're always doing something wrong when you have more than the debian repos included? |
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| 22:04.06 | nkuttler | multi_io: basically, yes |
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| 22:07.07 | multi_io | then why is there a sources.list file? :-P |
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| 22:08.50 | multi_io | anyway, the other problem I have is: how do I see which packages apt knows from a specific repository? |
| 22:08.59 | rryoumaa | nkuttler: iirc, various places such as the tor project seem to recommend using their repo for the browser bundle. what would be the preferred practice for that? |
| 22:09.26 | rryoumaa | nkuttler: another example might be naquadah |
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| 22:10.09 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: if you like to let random people run install scripts as root on your box be my guest |
| 22:10.26 | multi_io | hm, I guess looking at /var/lib/apt/lists/<whatever>_Packages sort of works |
| 22:12.37 | mtn | multi_io: synaptic will show you under Origin |
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| 22:17.16 | multi_io | mtn: I have the repo and want the list of all packages |
| 22:17.20 | rryoumaa | nkuttler: my question was not an invitation for you to snark. it was a sincere question about best practices. i don't know what the options are for tor, say, but for naquadah, the options include building as a user, backporting, or using their repo. i am asking what the recommended things to to are. if you don't know, that's ok. but you did not answer my question. |
| 22:17.50 | mtn | multi_io: yep, click on Origin in Syanptic, it will show the packages from that repo |
| 22:18.02 | rryoumaa | i asked because probably multi_io wants to know best practices |
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| 22:18.15 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: it was an honest answer |
| 22:18.30 | rryoumaa | it was not an answer to the question |
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| 22:18.37 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: of course you can install stuff that's not packaged, but then it is your job to audit the code |
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| 22:19.30 | rryoumaa | that much is clear. but the question is what the best practice is. there are various options for most packages. in the case of naquadah, at least 3 come to mind. |
| 22:19.53 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: build your own packages if you must |
| 22:20.04 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: of course after you have checked if there is a backport |
| 22:20.50 | rryoumaa | are you saying explicitly that using backport > building > backporting > using foreign repo, in precisely that order? |
| 22:20.51 | multi_io | mtn: ok thanks. I've found lessing the Packages file from /var/lib/apt/lists to be good enough for the moment. |
| 22:21.05 | rryoumaa | because that is the question that needs answering |
| 22:21.24 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: pretty much |
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| 22:21.45 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: not really sure what building means though, i'd remove that from the list |
| 22:21.52 | nkuttler | sounds like source build, make install |
| 22:21.56 | rryoumaa | you just said build |
| 22:21.57 | rryoumaa | yes |
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| 22:22.15 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: i said build packages though |
| 22:22.25 | nkuttler | rryoumaa: as in have a private repo you can install from |
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| 22:39.54 | SilverSlimer | wow, debian is truly the sweet spot when it comes to gnu/linux |
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| 22:40.04 | SilverSlimer | even with sid enabled, everything is rock solid |
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| 22:40.26 | SilverSlimer | my only complaint is the inability to remove apps like transmission (to replace them) without it automatically telling me that gnome itself needs to be removed too |
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| 22:49.52 | GNU\colossus | SilverSlimer, you probably just have the "wrong" metapackage installed that pulls in gnome and a crapton of other programs |
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| 22:52.26 | rryoumaa | SilverSlimer: maybe you can mark something as manually installed |
| 22:52.46 | rryoumaa | (no expert, just a possibility) |
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| 22:53.39 | SilverSlimer | GNU\colossus, i have the default apps installed actually. i suppose transmission is part of the initial installation and therefore treated as necessary |
| 22:54.12 | SilverSlimer | the problem is that transmission lacks a key feature for me: the ability to download only specific files out of a larger torrent (like say a 100 meg part of an 8 gig total download) |
| 22:54.12 | GNU\colossus | SilverSlimer, don't use gnome, but I'd wager "gnome-core - GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components |
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| 22:54.15 | GNU\colossus | " is what you want |
| 22:54.18 | ihap | i have a low resolution in my ttys (1-6), and i don't know what the problem is. previously, it seemed to be nouveau, which would give me an error and prevent me from booting, but adding "nomodeset" to the boot options fixed that. i have found that adding "blacklist nouveau" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf fixed the nouveau error, so i didnt need nomodeset, however i still have a problem with the tty resolution. how can i fix this? |
| 22:54.44 | SilverSlimer | oh, removing gnome-core will remove transmission? |
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| 22:55.58 | GNU\colossus | SilverSlimer, no, but if you install gnome-core, you'll have the base components of the desktop, and probably NOT get transmission et al. pulled in |
| 22:56.21 | GNU\colossus | what you have installed now probably is the "gnome-desktop-environment" package |
| 22:57.11 | GNU\colossus | (that depends on gnome, which in turns depends on gnome-core) |
| 22:58.17 | SilverSlimer | ah, makes sense. i was actually thinking of installing cinnamon instead since the gnome environment's developers don't seem to know where they're going with the project. opinions? |
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| 23:03.47 | hanasaki | k |
| 23:04.25 | hanasaki | downloading a file butp the web page just gives the following link... how do I get the download url? apt://vmware-view-client |
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| 23:09.08 | ihap | can somebody please help with my problem? |
| 23:09.10 | ihap | i have a low resolution in my ttys (1-6), and i don't know what the problem is. previously, it seemed to be nouveau, which would give me an error and prevent me from booting, but adding "nomodeset" to the boot options fixed that. i have found that adding "blacklist nouveau" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf fixed the nouveau error, so i didnt need nomodeset, however i still have a problem with the tty resolution. how can i fix this? |
| 23:11.12 | zykotick9 | ihap: are you using propritary nvidia drivers? |
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| 23:12.09 | ihap | zykotick9: im not sure, i haven't installed any drivers, this is a fresh install of debian |
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| 23:13.15 | zykotick9 | ihap: what's your video card? "lspci | grep -i vga" OR is it's possible a hybrid setup "lspci -v | grep -i vga" (does it list 2 cards?) |
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| 23:13.55 | ihap | zykotick9: yes, it lists two (one nVidia, but two results) |
| 23:14.24 | zykotick9 | ihap: ummm, sorry i have no personal experience with hybrid graphics, best of luck. |
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| 23:14.36 | ihap | oh, alright |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | optimus |
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| 23:28.42 | lobi | hello. lost power for my laptop and it's go to sllep. affter that i try to boot my computer. bur i get error msg. /bin/sh: can't access tty. job control turned off |
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| 23:34.14 | musca | lobi: it sounds like your rootfs is readonly mounted because of dirty filesystem state. |
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| 23:38.58 | Kobaz | what's a good way to install samba3 on squeeze |
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| 23:40.15 | abrotman | Kobaz: that's the default version ? |
| 23:40.23 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 23:40.26 | abrotman | doesn't understand the question |
| 23:40.48 | Kobaz | oh, well look at that, it is |
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| 23:40.59 | Kobaz | apt-get remove samba4-clients... heh |
| 23:41.00 | abrotman | Kobaz: did you mean samba4 maybe? |
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| 23:41.59 | Kobaz | ooh |
| 23:42.06 | themill | samba4-clients isn't in squeeze at all |
| 23:42.14 | Kobaz | i see what happened... backuppc installed samba4-clients and screwed up everything |
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| 23:44.34 | abrotman | how did you do that? |
| 23:44.46 | Kobaz | i don't remember |
| 23:45.01 | Kobaz | yay my backups are working again |
| 23:45.06 | Kobaz | i must have done that forever ago |
| 23:45.17 | Kobaz | maybe i wanted a new version of backuppc and installed it from another repo |
| 23:45.29 | Kobaz | and it grabbed samba4 at that point in time |
| 23:45.59 | Kobaz | smbclient in samba4 doesn't support -L ..strange |
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