| 00:00.14 | gnarface | nabblet: well, what you're asking about (though being a fundamental breach in basic security) is completely possible i believe with cat |
| 00:00.39 | gnarface | nabblet: the users terminals are represented as files in /dev like everything else |
| 00:00.56 | gnarface | nabblet: the ability to read them is a filesystem permission issue.... |
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| 00:01.13 | rgwu | jcbjoe: learn how to use regular expressions and use apt-cache for searching |
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| 00:01.35 | gnarface | somiaj: gimp didn't suffice ? |
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| 00:02.30 | nabblet | gnarface: well it will be a security breach if it runs without notice - but willingly sharing the terminal output to make support easier is acceptable i think |
| 00:02.42 | gnarface | somiaj: personally, most the time i just print from iceweasel but not with default settings and its probably the least popular option |
| 00:02.49 | nabblet | gnarface: it probably should include an auto-timeout |
| 00:04.03 | rgwu | jcbjoe: something like 'apt-cache search <regex here>' |
| 00:04.11 | nabblet | gnarface: but thank you for the cat of /dev/tty - didn't think of that. i think it is simpler than my tmux+ssh method |
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| 00:04.39 | somiaj | gnarface: gimp would probabaly do it, seems a bit over kill just to print the image out. |
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| 00:05.04 | somiaj | gnarface: well I used chromium since it was easiest to load the image there, problem was it didn't scale it to fit the page nicely so it was very hard to read |
| 00:05.25 | rgwu | gwenview will print |
| 00:05.35 | gnarface | gimp will do quality scaling |
| 00:05.35 | rgwu | never printed with it, but use it for viewing |
| 00:05.41 | gnarface | browsers will not do quality scaling |
| 00:05.54 | somiaj | rgwu: I use feh, but alas no print option. (: |
| 00:05.58 | gnarface | but failure to scale at all sounds like a browser specific problem and i'd recommend just trying anything else at all |
| 00:07.09 | gnarface | nabziF: well a clever combination of ytalk, cat, tee and maybe some sudo and some bash can easily accomplish the solution you're asking for, |
| 00:07.21 | gnarface | nabziF: ignore me that was for nabblet |
| 00:07.34 | gnarface | nabblet: ^^^ |
| 00:08.10 | gnarface | nabblet: but just be careful, if you take down that wall it will be very easy for malicious people to frame others for wrongdoing |
| 00:08.12 | module000 | gnarface: man i was really thinking that cat/tee/ytalk had some secret gfx-fu for a second there ;] |
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| 00:09.00 | gnarface | nabblet: in general what i'd recommend instead is just running a private irc or jabber server instead |
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| 00:09.41 | nabblet | gnarface: hm. maybe in that case tmux is better - i heard it can be made "passive" - so if some1 connects to my tmux session, no input from the other person will be accepted |
| 00:09.46 | nabblet | gnarface: plus no need to sude |
| 00:09.48 | nabblet | *sudo |
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| 00:12.29 | module000 | nabblet: how have i never heard of tmux...googling this looks like GNU screen on some type of steroids, is that the gist? |
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| 00:14.57 | nabblet | module000: tmux is screen on steroids :) use it! |
| 00:15.35 | nabblet | gnarface: hm, that would be a good idea too! |
| 00:15.43 | module000 | nabblet: already got it installed since i typed that...this is awesome! not sure how i lived without this, vertical splits that aren't all the same size |
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| 00:16.44 | nabblet | module000: you can even set the key mapping to be similar to vim or emacs if you use any of those |
| 00:17.00 | module000 | nabblet: oh vim mapping would be nice, my hands remember it even if my brain doesn't |
| 00:17.11 | Roenie | whereas if you don't use those, you can't. |
| 00:17.20 | nabblet | module000: i think defaut is emacs... |
| 00:17.31 | Roenie | ;-) |
| 00:17.53 | nabblet | gnarface: well, then a little magic that sends all my terminal output to irc would be sufficient |
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| 00:25.25 | nabblet | gnarface: thank you for your input! |
| 00:25.46 | nabblet | module000: have fun with tmux ;) |
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| 00:26.43 | Roenie | nabblet, so, run a script inside an irc client that fetches the output? |
| 00:27.33 | Roenie | so that the irc client manages the server reconnecting as required and so on |
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| 00:28.16 | phantomcircuit | im running as a guest on vmware workstation |
| 00:28.43 | phantomcircuit | they have a compaction feature which reads the disk files (offline) and rewrites them without \x00 sectors (since that's what it returns by default) |
| 00:29.12 | phantomcircuit | is there anyway to make it so discard commands from the filesystem instead of issuing a trim write a null sector? |
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| 00:51.10 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! |
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| 00:52.02 | Crazy-Jake | heya! i was told to ask here what AIO requests are and i need to know if i can.should turn them off? |
| 00:53.32 | dimitry7 | how can I do a speedtest on console? |
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| 00:54.59 | Cylta | what is the full weight of source codes of all repository? (are they architecture-independent?) |
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| 00:57.48 | rgwu | dimitry: download a file w/ wget and use bwm-ng to check speeds |
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| 01:08.36 | dimitry7 | rgwu, i need upload too |
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| 01:11.23 | asciiker | hello |
| 01:12.11 | asciiker | I'm trying to parse a log file but I only want to show lines that repeat 10 or more times, this is what I have so far: |
| 01:12.13 | asciiker | cat /var/log/maillog | grep "password fail" | cut -d")" -f2 | cut -d":" -f2 | uniq -c |
| 01:12.27 | asciiker | being googling for a while and no answer |
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| 01:13.54 | eb0t | asciiker its probably easier to write a small python or java or c program to do it |
| 01:15.00 | asciiker | eb0t: thanks, but I can program in PHP and some bash, none of the above |
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| 01:18.02 | eb0t | you can probably do it in php..you would read the first line and then add it to an array. |
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| 01:18.12 | eb0t | then read line 2 and compare to every element of array |
| 01:18.26 | eb0t | if they are identical then increment a count |
| 01:18.49 | eb0t | at teh end of comparison with whole array if counter = greater than 9 then print out the line |
| 01:18.54 | eb0t | then read next line |
| 01:18.59 | eb0t | until end of document |
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| 01:20.00 | eb0t | a nice tidy little program that could be used on many log files or any kind of file |
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| 01:22.49 | un214 | so I've got this machine that machine accessed by remote desktop that took some damage in squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:23.04 | un214 | the windows enviornment should be lxde, but the task bar isn't showing up |
| 01:23.15 | asciiker | eb0t: I see how it can work, thanks |
| 01:23.22 | un214 | also, sudo isn't adding /sbin and /usr/sbin to the path anymore |
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| 01:26.15 | Cylta | where can I check total weight of debian repositories? |
| 01:26.31 | dvs | weight? |
| 01:26.39 | Cylta | (especially source repository) |
| 01:26.50 | Cylta | in gigabytes |
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| 01:27.00 | dvs | oh, size |
| 01:27.08 | Cylta | ohh, sorry. yes, size |
| 01:27.11 | un214 | this is bizarre |
| 01:27.22 | un214 | env_reset is set in /etc/sudoers but sudo inherits path |
| 01:28.10 | dvs | Cylta: The amd64 double blu-ray is 44GB (binary only) |
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| 01:28.55 | Cylta | dvs yeah, but I want to know how bigger\smaller is the source repository in comparing with binary repositories |
| 01:29.05 | dvs | dunno |
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| 01:40.11 | rryoumaa | on debian, it seems that control alt delete kills x. how do i disable this feature? |
| 01:40.47 | un214 | how do I configure session launched by sesman-xvnc? |
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| 01:45.32 | Cylta | rryoumaa: sudo apt-get remove ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:45.47 | Cylta | un214: dunno, man sesman-xvnc |
| 01:45.51 | Cylta | how can I get the total size of files in repository? for example this one: "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free" |
| 01:45.51 | rryoumaa | Cylta: interesting, thank you |
| 01:46.16 | Cylta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.24 | Cylta | probably something is broken.. |
| 01:46.43 | rryoumaa | Cylta: it reboots in vt. i am using fluxbox atm. does that matter? |
| 01:47.10 | rryoumaa | haha! the keys file! |
| 01:47.12 | Cylta | rryoumaa: if it does reboot, then it's exactly as I expected it to work |
| 01:47.28 | rryoumaa | but how would fluxbox override the reboot setting? |
| 01:47.46 | rryoumaa | vt meaning console |
| 01:48.11 | Cylta | have no idea |
| 01:48.40 | Cylta | but ctrl-alt-del is not native combination for unix, and the only package that may add this functionality is ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:48.46 | Cylta | man it, may be will find the answer |
| 01:49.13 | un214 | ok looks like the problem is really in lxsession |
| 01:49.27 | un214 | I can override the defaults with .xsession but running lxsession doesn't fix it |
| 01:49.34 | iateadonut | i have iproute installed but no man; how do i install the manual? |
| 01:50.14 | themill | rryoumaa: line 32 in /etc/inittab |
| 01:50.23 | themill | Cylta: which package? |
| 01:50.27 | Cylta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.44 | Cylta | themill: ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:50.55 | themill | really? |
| 01:50.55 | rryoumaa | themill: that reboots, not killing x |
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| 01:51.06 | Cylta | themill: afaik |
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| 01:51.19 | themill | ,info ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:51.20 | judd | No package named 'ctrl-alt-del' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 01:51.22 | rryoumaa | something is overriding /etc/inittab somehow |
| 01:51.23 | themill | Cylta: ^^ |
| 01:51.50 | themill | rryoumaa: del or backspace? |
| 01:51.54 | rryoumaa | fluxbox perhaps, but i am curious why fluxbox would have that capability |
| 01:51.54 | rryoumaa | del |
| 01:52.00 | Cylta | okay, "something like ctrl-alt-del" |
| 01:52.37 | rryoumaa | in other words, i might have solved the problem (don't feel like testing right now) but curious why it would be able to do that |
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| 01:53.42 | themill | rryoumaa: ctrl+alt+del is mapped to "logout" in some desktop environments. No idea about fluxbox though. |
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| 01:54.35 | rryoumaa | same in fluxbox |
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| 01:58.57 | un214 | ok I found the problem |
| 01:59.01 | un214 | tell me if this looks like a bug |
| 01:59.13 | un214 | lxsession spawns lxpanel --profile=LXDE |
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| 01:59.23 | un214 | there is no LXDE profile defined for lxpanel only default |
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| 02:11.03 | peterrooney | iateadonut: have you tried apt-get install iproute-doc ? |
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| 02:26.41 | phantomcircuit | uh |
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| 02:26.47 | phantomcircuit | running wheezy |
| 02:26.50 | phantomcircuit | in synaptic |
| 02:26.58 | phantomcircuit | "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version:" |
| 02:26.59 | phantomcircuit | wat |
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| 02:33.12 | austeregrim_ | phantomcircuit, well do you want to be notified of a new version of ubuntu? |
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| 02:35.51 | phantomcircuit | austeregrim_, no? |
| 02:36.01 | phantomcircuit | austeregrim_, comical bug is comical |
| 02:36.19 | austeregrim_ | phantomcircuit, i dont know what to say. |
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| 02:53.32 | jwilliams1 | in gnuplot, is there any way i can put linepoints and labels together? |
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| 02:57.19 | armin | hm, interesting, i had the problem that my samba fileserver was showing up on windows 7 hosts as 2 machines with names "PULSE" and "DEBIAN". setting the "netbios name" variable in smb.conf to some value solved this for me so only one of those shows up. can anyone point out why samba tries to act as both PULSE and DEBIAN when i don't set that option? |
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| 03:09.27 | module000 | armin: what is your hostname, pulse.debian? |
| 03:10.10 | themill | jwilliams1: there's a small #gnuplot -- they are more likely to know than anyone here. |
| 03:10.29 | module000 | armin: and are you sure you aren't seeing a netbios 'workgroup' named pulse, and that your machine is showing as 'debian'? :P |
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| 03:12.16 | jetscreamer | yeh doesn't pulse do remote sound server? i forget. |
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| 03:25.09 | rog1121 | anyone willing to help out a dumbass who messed up |
| 03:25.17 | rog1121 | I ran apt-get remove python* |
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| 03:25.26 | rog1121 | not I cant run apt |
| 03:25.29 | rog1121 | now* |
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| 03:28.47 | PParth | rog1121 you can re-download manually from bottom of page: http://packages.debian.org/stable/python/python-apt |
| 03:29.16 | rog1121 | damn |
| 03:29.18 | rog1121 | cant even use wget |
| 03:29.46 | PParth | you might have to use another computer to get necessary packages |
| 03:29.53 | PParth | installing using dpkg |
| 03:29.55 | rog1121 | good |
| 03:29.57 | rog1121 | I cans till ftp |
| 03:30.02 | PParth | =) |
| 03:30.06 | rog1121 | would apt-get upgrade fix everything |
| 03:30.11 | rog1121 | I mean reinstall most the packages |
| 03:30.42 | PParth | sorry no idea =S |
| 03:30.58 | rog1121 | wow |
| 03:31.01 | rog1121 | no dpkg |
| 03:31.05 | rog1121 | I really fucked it up |
| 03:31.06 | PParth | hmm |
| 03:31.13 | PParth | if your data is on a different partition |
| 03:31.19 | PParth | you can just reinstall OS |
| 03:31.19 | rog1121 | yeah |
| 03:31.25 | PParth | that might be easier |
| 03:31.25 | rog1121 | Im going to do that anyway |
| 03:31.31 | rog1121 | fucked up my python installation |
| 03:31.37 | PParth | cool. good luck |
| 03:31.54 | jcbjoe | rgwu: you around still ? sorry i wasn't around i went to a metting .. are you still there ? |
| 03:32.12 | jcbjoe | im actually strying to stay away from apt and just use aptitude .. is that a good idea or not ? |
| 03:32.31 | rgwu | jcbjoe: don't know because I don't use aptitude |
| 03:32.37 | jcbjoe | oh |
| 03:32.45 | jcbjoe | rgwu: just apt ? |
| 03:32.56 | jcbjoe | rgwu: i thought aptitude had more advanced command to narrow things down |
| 03:33.00 | rgwu | apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg when necessary, etc |
| 03:33.10 | rgwu | I'm sure it can perform advanced searches. |
| 03:33.20 | rgwu | Probably with regular expressions |
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| 03:34.43 | rgwu | the man page lists search patterns aptitude accepts |
| 03:34.47 | jcbjoe | yea |
| 03:35.15 | rgwu | I'm out, good night. |
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| 03:37.53 | jcbjoe | does anyone else perfer aptitude over apt ? |
| 03:37.55 | jcbjoe | if so why ? |
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| 03:43.55 | damentz | jcbjoe, aptitude is worse, it doesn't handle dependency resolution as well as apt-get |
| 03:44.00 | damentz | this is a big factor under debian unstable |
| 03:44.22 | damentz | imo, it doesn't solve anything new that you can't already do under apt-get |
| 03:45.50 | Vasistha | I have a wheezy system here, and I get no picture on vlc. Mplayer works fine. Using only debian sources, no deb-multimedia stuff |
| 03:46.18 | somiaj | damentz: what? there are cases where aptitues logic can solve things apt-get can't, but it is slow and takes longer to resolve dependency conflicts |
| 03:46.50 | somiaj | jcbjoe: /msg dpkg why apt-get, /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why not apt-get, /msg dpkg why not aptitude -- that should give you some idea of the difference |
| 03:47.10 | somiaj | jcbjoe: the one thing aptitude does way better than apt-get (well apt-cache) is its ability to search the package database. |
| 03:47.15 | somiaj | well one thing |
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| 03:48.13 | somiaj | Vasistha: 'xvinfo' does that spout out a lot of stuff about you have the xv extension or does it say not enabled (or something to that effect)? |
| 03:48.50 | Vasistha | somiaj: screen #0 adapter #0 etc. Need a pastebin? |
| 03:49.16 | damentz | somiaj, ah, just tried that, it's what i suspected |
| 03:49.17 | somiaj | Vasistha: no I was just making sure you were using a driver with xv enabled, that can sometimes be an issue |
| 03:49.26 | damentz | it probably works well under debian stable or testnig |
| 03:49.51 | Vasistha | somiaj: I think that is an issue on my dad's computer, but this one is my brother's. Thanks for that tip though, I'll check that on dad's. Any further ideas? |
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| 03:50.02 | somiaj | damentz: aptitude is just a lot slower, but does have better logic in some situations. as for dist upgrades, some apt-get works better some aptitude works better. squeeze->wheezy apt-get works better |
| 03:50.14 | jcbjoe | yes |
| 03:50.23 | jcbjoe | somiaj: i want to use aptitude for the sole purpose of searching |
| 03:50.24 | somiaj | Vasistha: man vlc, try to find a way to make it verbose, run it from the cli so you can see any errors it spits out |
| 03:50.37 | somiaj | jcbjoe: for the most part they are interchangable |
| 03:50.57 | somiaj | jcbjoe: http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 03:51.03 | eb0t | i only use aptitude...only because im new to debian..and on the wiki it said its better to use aptitude |
| 03:51.06 | somiaj | but that there is the one reason I use aptitude for searching |
| 03:51.28 | somiaj | eb0t: on stable with only debian offical sources, either works and is interchangable, so pick the one you like |
| 03:51.43 | somiaj | during an dist-upgrade to the next release, make sure to use the one the release notes tell you to |
| 03:51.46 | Vasistha | somiaj: I run vlc -v video.flv, the only error I get is "main video output error: video output creation failed". Not sure how to get more verbosity? |
| 03:51.57 | somiaj | Vasistha: try -vvv |
| 03:51.58 | themill | (there have been some occasions when apt-get wouldn't install a security update but aptitude would) |
| 03:52.14 | Vasistha | ah yes, lots more info there, thanks. hmm. |
| 03:52.32 | jcbjoe | somiaj: i love that page .. its just fustrating on putting them all toegether .. all those search strings |
| 03:53.03 | jcbjoe | somiaj: i had to find glib+- something i used apt-cache forget about it |
| 03:53.05 | jcbjoe | it was a nightmare |
| 03:53.08 | jcbjoe | just an example |
| 03:53.12 | Vasistha | somiaj: no vout display module matching "xvideo" could be loaded -- this I suspect is the most relevant error message |
| 03:53.36 | somiaj | Vasistha: yea that is the xv extension, but xvinfo didn't seem to give you any errors? |
| 03:54.01 | themill | jcbjoe, somiaj: btw you might like the current documentation instead: http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 03:54.02 | Vasistha | somiaj: uhm. It exits with EC 1 |
| 03:54.20 | Vasistha | somiaj: shall I pastebin the vlc and xvinfo outputs? |
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| 03:54.55 | somiaj | themill: ahh thanks, I just keep using the first hit off of google...didn't realize it was getting outdated |
| 03:55.20 | somiaj | Vasistha: I don't think I'd be able to figure it out. try this DISPLAY=":0.0" vlc <options> |
| 03:55.21 | themill | yeah just a few things here and there -- ?architecture being a quite useful one |
| 03:55.34 | Vasistha | somiaj: maybe starting with "env" ? |
| 03:55.35 | somiaj | ahh yea, that would be with multiarch now in full effect |
| 03:55.52 | somiaj | Vasistha: you don't need that, just making sure you send the correct display to the pricess |
| 03:56.12 | somiaj | Vasistha: its a nice trick if you list an env variable at the start of a line it will send that to the process without having to export it or set it elsewhere |
| 03:56.20 | Vasistha | somiaj: if I echo $DISPLAY in bash from where I'm running vlc, it shows that it is set to :0 |
| 03:56.42 | somiaj | oh its only :0 now, use to it bing :0.0 -- well that idea is bust too |
| 03:57.02 | somiaj | Vasistha: yea no clue, you could check your Xorg.0.log file as well to see if anything looks strange. |
| 03:57.03 | Vasistha | .0 may be if you have a multi-head setup |
| 03:57.14 | Vasistha | somiaj: alright I'll do that. Thanks for your effort! |
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| 03:59.09 | somiaj | Vasistha: you can maybe look at glxinfo, but I don't htink glx would be needed, just the xv extension which is the common extension I though video players use (I'm mostly a hack who will talk though problems with people, not an expert in what is going on) |
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| 04:00.11 | jcbjoe | somiaj: in general i want to find anything i want on my system with less hassel .. it hink aptitude is good for this correct ? |
| 04:00.18 | jcbjoe | i also use axi-cache |
| 04:00.31 | Vasistha | somiaj: yeah that's like me when I try to help with problems I don't know that much about. I am wondering if vlc might be missing a module which would connect to xv, does that make sense? |
| 04:01.13 | somiaj | jcbjoe: I personally just use dpkg -l for things on my system. But I never had a major reason for a fancy search to just see what is there |
| 04:01.43 | jcbjoe | i thought dpkg was really for stuff installed like dpkg -l *stuffhere* |
| 04:01.46 | somiaj | jcbjoe: I usually use aptitude if I need to generate a package list (such as when I downgraded sid to wheezy on my laptop about a month before the release because I was tired of it breaking) |
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| 04:01.59 | somiaj | jcbjoe: to me 'on my systme' ment alreayd installed (: |
| 04:01.59 | jcbjoe | aw |
| 04:02.08 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 04:02.43 | somiaj | I must admit I use apt-get and apt-cache most of the time, only aptitude in the rare case I need it |
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| 04:02.56 | Vasistha | somiaj: anyway thanks for trying, cheers mate |
| 04:02.59 | jcbjoe | like say i install something and it needs a dependancie or like me im on the i3-wm right .. i downloaded a package / script program called pa-applet it puts the volume slider on the i3stats bar .. dood i spent a copule minutes looking for its dependancies with apt-cache |
| 04:03.48 | somiaj | Vasistha: it could, I don't use vlc so I wouldn't know about how it does things |
| 04:03.49 | jcbjoe | somiaj: apt-cache search to me tries to find stuff you don't need i normally have to do this xample actools apt-cache search actools |grep actools to narrow it down |
| 04:04.09 | jcbjoe | how about you somiaj how would you find a package called actools and narrow it down to what you want not a lot of text scrolling that is ireelevant |
| 04:04.17 | somiaj | jcbjoe: that seems like a strange issue, I guess I don't run across cases I have to manually search for dependencies |
| 04:04.29 | jcbjoe | if you did would you use apt-cache ? |
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| 04:05.00 | somiaj | I really don't see why I would ever need to. If I install a .deb with dpkg that is missing depends, i just use apt-get -f install to go find them all and install them for me |
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| 04:05.11 | somiaj | but since most things are installed via apt/aptitude that is already done |
| 04:05.32 | frustrum | . |
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| 04:06.40 | somiaj | but as a home desktop/gamer I don't really need many fancy features |
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| 04:10.07 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi #debian, can i have an isolated filesystem for a process? |
| 04:10.21 | somiaj | MonkWitDaFunk: do you mean a chroot? |
| 04:10.49 | MonkWitDaFunk | Is there a gui for chroot? I saved a technical webpage i remember |
| 04:10.52 | somiaj | (note they aren't as secure as they look like, but the do isolate your process to its own root filesystem) |
| 04:11.23 | MonkWitDaFunk | Visudo? |
| 04:11.41 | somiaj | I don't think that is what you awnt, that just edits the sudoers file |
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| 04:11.51 | MonkWitDaFunk | No? So chroot has its own passwd |
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| 04:13.10 | somiaj | you can make them from just a simple place a few binaries and procces live to a compilcated place that has a copy of a stripped down to full os inside |
| 04:13.36 | somiaj | just anyone with root access can break out of it. So that is why they aren't considered that secure |
| 04:14.10 | jcbjoe | somiaj: do you use tags to search for packages ?> |
| 04:14.38 | jcbjoe | debtags |
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| 04:16.04 | somiaj | nope I rarely search for packages. I found the software I like to use and my desktop hasn't changed in about 8 years or so |
| 04:16.13 | jcbjoe | hmm |
| 04:16.18 | jcbjoe | im always changing lol |
| 04:16.26 | somiaj | besides for newer versions of debian and software, it is mostly the same |
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| 04:16.36 | jcbjoe | im just trying to get a feel of my system before i settle in .. like i want to know what to do so i dn't have to ask questions |
| 04:16.48 | MonkWitDaFunk | I used community dial up before on a c4 clone in the year 2000 |
| 04:17.37 | somiaj | jcbjoe: http://zensites.net/fvwm/screenshots/dark_theme.jpg -- taken in 2006, only changes I've done is switch to chromium and simplify my monintor bar and remove the fancy text in the menu |
| 04:18.53 | somiaj | oh I don't use gaim (no pigdin) anymore. |
| 04:18.56 | jcbjoe | somiaj: nice what WM are you using ? |
| 04:19.06 | somiaj | jcbjoe: fvwm...it is paster all over the screen shot (: |
| 04:19.15 | somiaj | plastered |
| 04:19.33 | MonkWitDaFunk | Whats a good example of a dpkg command to download off a repository? |
| 04:19.45 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 04:19.53 | somiaj | MonkWitDaFunk: dpkg does not download th9ings, it only install/removes/checks packages that have been downloaded |
| 04:20.23 | somiaj | MonkWitDaFunk: apt is the tool that does that, apt-get install foo (to install it after downloading), apt-get --download-only install foo if ya only want to download it |
| 04:20.29 | somiaj | anyways time to jet, have fun |
| 04:20.41 | MonkWitDaFunk | Ok so it can use a debian package right? |
| 04:21.03 | MonkWitDaFunk | I dont need gdebi? |
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| 04:26.01 | jcbjoe | like right now i had to detach a tmux session running this weechat session and im now on a tty terminal |
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| 04:54.34 | kneekoo | hello |
| 04:56.01 | kneekoo | the weekly builds are dead |
| 04:56.03 | kneekoo | Using images from /org/cdbuilder.debian.org/src/deb-cd/d-i/d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily |
| 04:56.03 | kneekoo | cp: cannot stat `/org/cdbuilder.debian.org/src/deb-cd/d-i/d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/cdrom/initrd.gz': No such file or directory |
| 04:56.14 | kneekoo | it seems rather simple to fix |
| 04:56.20 | kneekoo | has anyone looked into it? |
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| 04:59.28 | kneekoo | bbl |
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| 05:06.33 | rog1121 | is there any reason update-rc.d wouldnt create defaults files? |
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| 05:15.36 | aktau | I really need to do something (on a running debian 5 server) but it's got me a little antsy: swap out a /home partition with a new LVM logical volume I just made and mirrored |
| 05:15.52 | aktau | The thing is, as far as I know, proftpd and apache2 are serving from that directory |
| 05:16.17 | aktau | Is there any way I could (semi)-atomically swap out the backing partition for the /home mount point? |
| 05:16.38 | Cylta | can I install system completely from sources? |
| 05:17.49 | aktau | My question also appears to be ungooglable, mainly because "swap" is also a partition type, so my search for hotswap and the lik fail |
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| 05:19.24 | Cylta | aktau: umount && mount ? |
| 05:19.57 | Cylta | aktau: there will be some period of non-working anyway... |
| 05:19.58 | aktau | Cylta: I just really wonder if that will work |
| 05:20.06 | aktau | Cylta: if it will cleanly remount |
| 05:20.27 | Cylta | if you made everything right, it should... does the apache use anything from /home? |
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| 05:21.01 | aktau | Cylta: yes, it's got a few vhosts in there |
| 05:21.40 | aktau | All I got now is my old partition, mounted at /home, my new LVM mirrored and rearing, mounted at /mnt/lvm-home |
| 05:22.11 | Cylta | aktau: bad for you.. I don't think that there is a way to do it silently. but you can try tu suspend apach at that period and hope, that there are the same files at the same place. and restore apach after umount && mount |
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| 05:22.48 | aktau | Cylta: by suspend you mean stop right? |
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| 05:23.25 | Cylta | aktau: i ment to pause the processor. but that may work as well |
| 05:23.33 | Cylta | *process |
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| 05:24.59 | aktau | Cylta: I don't thing pausing the proc will work, since file descriptors will likely turn invalid |
| 05:25.22 | aktau | The more I think about that route, the more I feel that it will hose the systems state |
| 05:25.38 | aktau | Yet I can't be the only person that has needed to do this ever |
| 05:25.55 | Cylta | okay... looks like you know about it much more than I =) |
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| 05:34.45 | asperon | hi guys, i am trying to get fancontrol to work with my ipmi sensors, and i found http://bmcsensors-26.sourceforge.net/, is there anyway to add these drivers without recompiling the kernel? |
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| 05:37.32 | NotJimCarrey | what's the easiest way to extract a file to a folder named after the archive? |
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| 05:58.50 | kneekoo | aktau: do those vhosts have something really critical going on? |
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| 05:59.40 | kneekoo | because if they don't, you could set up an rsync script to sync the remaining unmatching files from /home to //mnt/lvm-home and do the unmount and remount |
| 05:59.40 | NotJimCarrey | nevermind, got it |
| 05:59.45 | NotJimCarrey | for z in *.zip; do unzip -d "${z%%.*}" "$z"; done |
| 06:00.06 | kneekoo | thanks for the tip, NotJimCarrey :) |
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| 06:00.33 | NotJimCarrey | np |
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| 06:04.13 | kneekoo | aktau: this is what I would do |
| 06:04.15 | kneekoo | 1. copy everything from /home to /mnt/lvm-home |
| 06:04.15 | kneekoo | 2. stop LAMP |
| 06:04.15 | kneekoo | 3. rsync any remaining updated files from /home to /mnt/lvm-home |
| 06:04.15 | kneekoo | 4. unmount /home and update /etc/fstab /etc/mtab with the new home mount |
| 06:04.15 | kneekoo | 5. mount /mnt/lvm-home |
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| 06:04.27 | kneekoo | 1. copy everything from /home to /mnt/lvm-home |
| 06:04.30 | kneekoo | 2. stop LAMP |
| 06:04.33 | kneekoo | 3. rsync any remaining updated files from /home to /mnt/lvm-home |
| 06:04.35 | kneekoo | 4. unmount /home and update /etc/fstab /etc/mtab with the new home mount |
| 06:04.38 | kneekoo | 5. mount /mnt/lvm-home |
| 06:04.45 | siberiannerd | hey guys, i'm into nightmare in attempt to install 7.1 from hdd it failed to detect cd-rom and 4th console shows that it tries to mount wrong device so i added the "right" one to fstab with mount point on /cdrom with no luck due to the fact that `mount /cdrom` now says there is no such file or directory |
| 06:04.45 | kneekoo | you might have a problem with large files |
| 06:05.06 | kneekoo | so if you have logs, it would be a good idea to make fresh ones before this |
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| 06:05.55 | kneekoo | siberiannerd: I don't know what to say about /cdrom but have you tried installing from a USB drive? |
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| 06:06.51 | siberiannerd | kneekoo, i don't have usb slots on this device because it is in a steel case and the only media i can swap without headaches are hdds |
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| 06:07.29 | siberiannerd | when the console installer will stop being so buggy, 10 years with same problems persist |
| 06:07.49 | kneekoo | then I would simply install Debian on another PC and move the HDD on the other one |
| 06:08.08 | siberiannerd | so i should run from A to B |
| 06:08.57 | kneekoo | at least you would easily install it on another PC instead of getting the same bug on your target PC :P |
| 06:09.08 | kneekoo | but what kind of a PC is that, without USB? |
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| 06:12.59 | siberiannerd | nice workaround, another suggestions? =) |
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| 06:13.01 | siberiannerd | why cdrom-detect fails to detect the only device with the corresponding label according to `blkid` which is "Debian 7.1.0 amd64 1" |
| 06:13.02 | siberiannerd | no it won't be easy because i should disassemble the case to plug in the hdd and this case sits in a dedicated room and it's weight is about 16kg |
| 06:13.02 | siberiannerd | it's not a pc, it's a box which is dedicated for routing purposes |
| 06:13.03 | siberiannerd | and NAS |
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| 06:13.55 | siberiannerd | and whatever, it just should work or at least should be fixed from console |
| 06:14.46 | kneekoo | so you can connect a monitor to your box? |
| 06:14.54 | kneekoo | and a keyboard/mouse? |
| 06:15.05 | siberiannerd | so no one actually tried those images with espert install from hdd before putting it to download section i assume |
| 06:15.05 | kneekoo | or how did you try to install Debian on it? |
| 06:15.34 | kneekoo | I'm pretty much sure not all Debian users are in here :D |
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| 06:16.57 | siberiannerd | what kind of questions are you asking and what for, it is custom built steel box made on military factory and it has 6" lcd in it and ps/2 |
| 06:17.46 | kneekoo | I'm trying to find out what you're dealing with so I can think of possible ways to work around your problem with the Debian installer |
| 06:18.01 | siberiannerd | i'm dealing with buggy debian installer |
| 06:18.13 | kneekoo | I'm not a fortune teller so I have to ask |
| 06:18.18 | siberiannerd | and since when it can't find the existing device and mount point |
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| 06:19.22 | kneekoo | ok, sorry to waste your time |
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| 06:29.32 | jned | if I ssh into my server, how can I run X commands, when i try I get some display error |
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| 06:30.10 | ChrisH | jned: ssh using ssh -X into your server. verify using echo $DISPLAY before running the ssh command that its set. |
| 06:30.29 | ChrisH | jned: verify with the same command on the server side again |
| 06:30.46 | mesoderm | I am unable to run evolution. I get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/38731/ |
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| 06:31.42 | jned | well, I want to X command to run on the server not on the client |
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| 06:32.49 | ChrisH | jned: Did you understand the X-Server and X-client concept? In short, its the other way round as expected the first time. |
| 06:32.50 | jned | like, locally, my display is :0.0 and when I ssh into a server, then the local screen there, on the server is also :0.0 I'd expect eh? |
| 06:33.07 | ChrisH | jned: no |
| 06:33.28 | jned | ChrisH, yeah, like when I ssh into server, and try to run an X command, it expects to run it on client side eh |
| 06:34.20 | ChrisH | jned: this is how it should look: http://paste.debian.net/38732/ the :10 and be different |
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| 06:35.03 | jelly-home | jned: if there's a local X session running on said server, then its display is likely to be :0 as well, right. Where do you want the window to appear? |
| 06:35.25 | jned | jelly-home, on the remote server |
| 06:35.48 | jned | basically, I have a web browser on the remote server, and I want to refresh the browser |
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| 06:36.39 | jned | so I tried to run xdotool, but I got the display error I mentioed, I forget exactly what it was, something about display, but I know its about specify which display you want to run the command |
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| 06:37.12 | jelly-home | jned: right. just setting DISPLAY might not be enough tho. does "env DISPLAY=:0.0 xdpyinfo", run on the server, work? |
| 06:37.39 | jned | hmm, I can't test it at the moment |
| 06:37.40 | ChrisH | jned: Which user is logged on the remote X Seession? X-auth-magic is needed here; tricky stuff |
| 06:37.46 | jelly-home | gdm3 uses a custom place for the xauth database, so XAUTHORITY needs to be set as well |
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| 06:38.05 | jned | I think if I were to access the server directly, and did xhosts + it would work |
| 06:38.14 | jned | oh yeah, thats right, there is no way otherwise |
| 06:38.47 | jned | ChrisH, thx |
| 06:38.51 | ChrisH | If both users are the same with the same home via NFS it should workd out of the box, Anything else will need some addional work or the unseucre approach: xhosts + |
| 06:38.53 | jned | jelly-home, thx |
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| 06:39.14 | jned | but you can't do xhosts + over ssh, you have to do it locally |
| 06:39.38 | ChrisH | jned: yes, beause it uses DISPLAY to talk to X |
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| 06:44.17 | mesoderm | I am unable to run evolution. I have successfully run the "Email Settings" program and set up an email account, but when I try to run evolution from the command line, I get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/38731/ |
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| 06:45.12 | ChrisH | mesoderm: I did a quick look into google and found hints on issues with evolution and nvidea drivers installed. |
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| 06:45.51 | mesoderm | ChrisH, Thanks -- but i don't have nvidia drivers. I'm using an integrated intel card. |
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| 06:47.30 | mesoderm | ChrisH, Weird ... actually, the nvidia drivers were installed for some reason ... just removed it. Gonna try to reboot, and see if it works. |
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| 06:47.56 | mumpitze1 | mesoderm: why would you reboot? |
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| 06:50.02 | mesoderm | mumpitze1, That's a good question. Basically, because (a) it didn't fix the problem when I removed it and (b) I thought this was maybe because it had modified the kernel and rebooting would reload the modified version ... but I don't know really. It just magically fixes problems for me sometimes :) |
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| 06:53.09 | siberiannerd | is there any way to make grub-installer installing to mbr of drive with /boot mount point? by default it makes an attempt to do this on drive with / mount point |
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| 06:54.28 | siberiannerd | besides that /boot drive is the obly one with boot flag |
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| 07:13.04 | siberiannerd | lol any1? |
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| 07:17.23 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/media/sdb1/boot /dev/sdb you can install like this |
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| 07:20.38 | siberiannerd | adam8157, the second drive (sdb) is the hard drive used as installation media currently, should i use --skip-fs-probe due to the warning about it containing iso9660 i just don't get it telling truth: how sdb related to sdc in a context of situation |
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| 07:21.49 | Benkinooby | hi, i need some clarification. if i don't use any X, i use a "virtual terminal". this virtual terminal has $TERM=linux . if i want to have console access with a GUI, i need a "terminal emulator" such as xterm, urxvt and such. therefor i can not have a terminal in GUI that has $TERM=linux. Correct? |
| 07:21.50 | siberiannerd | my action for this warning is chroot /target `grub-install --boot-directory=/boot /dev/sdc` /boot mount point is sdc1 |
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| 07:23.11 | jelly-home | siberiannerd: those `` are going to make the grub-install command be executed outside chroot |
| 07:23.24 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: you should mount sdc1/boot to boot directory, or you can --root-directory=/root-mount-point |
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| 07:23.35 | siberiannerd | jelly-home, nah i'm under chroot env already |
| 07:23.45 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: just make sure boot to boot, root to root |
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| 07:24.17 | siberiannerd | adam8157, sdc1 under chroot environment is mounted under /boot double-checked via uuid |
| 07:24.21 | siberiannerd | that's correct |
| 07:24.32 | siberiannerd | but i'm getting warning related to sdb fs |
| 07:24.44 | siberiannerd | that's the root of my doubts |
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| 07:25.22 | siberiannerd | so i'm asking how `grub-install --boot-directory=/boot /dev/sdc` is related to /dev/sdb |
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| 07:26.06 | siberiannerd | to figure out if i should --skip-fs-probe and to get more knowledge on why it matters |
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| 07:26.38 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: because it checked the fs which it mount on? |
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| 07:27.01 | mesoderm | I am unable to start evolution in Gnome. I have successfully run the "Email settings" program and set up an account, but when I run evolution, I get the following error message: http://paste.debian.net/38731/ |
| 07:27.08 | siberiannerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.00 | mackwerk | Hey, I have this line in my bash script: ssh ubuntu@$1 "sudo /etc/init.d/jboss stop 1> /dev/null && (timeout 300 grep -q 'Shutdown complete' <(tail -n 0 -f /usr/share/jboss-5.1.0.GA/server/default/log/server.log) || PIDS=`pgrep -f jboss` && sudo kill -9 $PIDS" but it exits with this: line 21: PIDS: unbound variable - How do I set a variable inside an ssh session and use that? |
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| 07:29.40 | kimda | Hi. I am noticing a weird networking problem with a ubuntu guest (kvm) on a debian host. I can ping certain addresses but with anothers I will not get any reply back. On the host I see with tcpdump requests but no replies. Also when i do a apt-cache search it takes a couple of seconds to receive results on the guest - on the host immediately. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
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| 07:30.06 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: I think you can try --skip-fs-probe, you know what you are doing, the installer just confuses :) |
| 07:30.18 | ChrisH | kimda: missing IP routes for the source IP. |
| 07:30.44 | kimda | ChrisH, how can i check? |
| 07:30.45 | HelenaKitty | How do I enable rubygems? |
| 07:32.21 | siberiannerd | adam8157, grub-install reports that --skip-fs-probe is unrecognized option |
| 07:32.31 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: =,= |
| 07:32.51 | siberiannerd | i'm exhausted dealing with d-i bugs and such fairy tales lol |
| 07:33.07 | HelenaKitty | I need to install json-1.8.0 but I can't find the right package. It's for metasploit. |
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| 07:33.37 | mesoderm | Hmmmmm ..... I wonder if the reason that Evolution is throwing these errors about GLX is that direct rendering isn't working at all. I have an intel integrated graphics card, and here's what I get from running glxinfo: http://paste.debian.net/38750/ |
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| 07:34.56 | mesoderm | And here's the lspci output for the card: http://paste.debian.net/38751/ |
| 07:35.00 | HelenaKitty | Oh come on! |
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| 07:36.38 | HelenaKitty | Thing is... |
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| 07:37.24 | HelenaKitty | I said this variable REALLY_GEM_UPDATE_SYSTEM with no luck. |
| 07:37.28 | mesoderm | HelenaKitty, You looking for ruby-json package? |
| 07:37.33 | HelenaKitty | yes |
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| 07:39.09 | mesoderm | HelenaKitty, Oh, I didn't see your question above. I thought you were just trying to figure out how to install json-1.8.0 |
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| 07:39.15 | DarsVaeda | how do I add a printer that is on the local network, I know the ip address |
| 07:39.31 | mesoderm | HelenaKitty, As far as rubygems -- check this out: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2846804/whats-the-deal-with-rubygems-on-debian-its-different-and-strange |
| 07:39.56 | HelenaKitty | I know about the rules mesoderm |
| 07:40.26 | Benkinooby | hi, i need some clarification. if i don't use any X, i use a "virtual terminal". this virtual terminal has $TERM=linux . if i want to have console access with a GUI, i need a "terminal emulator" such as xterm, urxvt and such. therefor i can not have a terminal in GUI that has $TERM=linux. Correct? |
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| 07:40.30 | siberiannerd | so it's not possible to have grub on mbr of non-rootfs drive installing from non-gui classy hdd netinstall image |
| 07:40.36 | siberiannerd | is that a bug or feature? |
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| 07:41.36 | mesoderm | I am unable to start evolution in Gnome. I have successfully run the "Email settings" program and set up an account, but when I run evolution, I get the following error message: http://paste.debian.net/38731/ |
| 07:41.53 | mesoderm | It's possible that the reason that Evolution is throwing these errors about GLX is that direct rendering isn't working at all. I have an intel integrated graphics card, and here's what I get from running glxinfo: http://paste.debian.net/38750/ |
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| 07:42.13 | mesoderm | And here's the lspci output for the card: http://paste.debian.net/38751/ |
| 07:42.35 | cardiel | im running named in chrooted dir and named is unable to rotate my log files. i get this error message "named[5584]: unable to rename log file '/var/log/bind.log' to '/var/log/bind.log.0': permission denied"..someone know why? |
| 07:42.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps if i am running cli do i need the x11 packages at all? |
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| 07:43.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | x11proto-render-dev ? |
| 07:43.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? x11-common |
| 07:43.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
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| 07:44.53 | mesoderm | Eryn_1983_FL, You only need X11 packages if you're running X |
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| 07:45.24 | siberiannerd | debian is closer to death in me |
| 07:45.43 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: I always install grub under chroot, never met that warning, try mount fs to normal dir but not /cdrom ? |
| 07:45.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok ok |
| 07:46.01 | siberiannerd | adam8157, you never tried to install it from hdd probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712675 |
| 07:46.26 | HelenaKitty | mesoderm: I installed ruby-json |
| 07:46.29 | HelenaKitty | didn't work |
| 07:46.31 | adam8157 | siberiannerd: always, I use hd-media on a usb disk |
| 07:46.31 | tralala | siberiannerd, what do you mean by "non-rootfs"? |
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| 07:47.10 | siberiannerd | tralala, drive that doesn't contain partitions with / mount point |
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| 07:47.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | um the whole Leave the following dependencies unresolved: package packge.. is there a way to clean those up beside apt-get remove package1 package 2? |
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| 07:48.11 | kimda | ChrisH: what i do not understand is that certain hosts ex. google.com respond to pings and others wont. |
| 07:48.14 | asperon | hi guys, i am trying to get fancontrol to work with my ipmi sensors, and i found http://bmcsensors-26.sourceforge.net/, is there anyway to add these drivers without recompiling the kernel? |
| 07:48.20 | siberiannerd | adam8157, not usb stick, but hard drive |
| 07:48.21 | tralala | siberiannerd, do you mean that grub can't load linux from a secondary disk? or that the installer won't support it? |
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| 07:48.40 | asperon | or any other way to get fan speed control working in debian via bmc/ipmi |
| 07:49.03 | siberiannerd | tralala, grub can't be installed via classy d-i to /boot device's mbr which is sdc in my case not even manually |
| 07:49.21 | tralala | I see |
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| 07:50.09 | tralala | siberiannerd, maybe you'll be able to do it after the installation |
| 07:50.28 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 07:51.05 | siberiannerd | tralala, it's fully encrypted instance with cryptsetup scenarion in initrd already |
| 07:51.12 | HelenaKitty | This is annoying |
| 07:51.44 | siberiannerd | tralala, i will end up with unbootable system |
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| 07:52.28 | siberiannerd | and i don't expect i won't face another bug later |
| 07:52.51 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
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| 07:52.54 | siberiannerd | my problems wouldn't exist if d-i wasn't so buggy |
| 07:52.55 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
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| 07:53.34 | Benkinooby | hi, is it possible to use a different $TERM when i am in virtual console? |
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| 07:54.42 | OnionNet | is there a way to automatically run an application once installed (using apt-get)? |
| 07:56.31 | Benkinooby | OnionNet: well, you can append a '&& your_command' |
| 07:56.55 | OnionNet | I will try that thanks |
| 07:57.28 | OnionNet | I am guessing that the && operator means 'run when done' |
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| 07:57.38 | Benkinooby | OnionNet: exactly |
| 07:58.02 | Benkinooby | OnionNet: you can also do "sudo apt-get foo && command &" |
| 07:58.10 | ksk | ist more like "do the thing after && when the thing before it returns "0" (like in it ran successful) |
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| 07:58.36 | Benkinooby | OnionNet: the last & will move your command to backround so you can use ther terminal for other things instead of watching the output of the program |
| 07:59.15 | OnionNet | it seems to be working |
| 07:59.19 | OnionNet | much appreciated |
| 07:59.21 | HelenaKitty | :( |
| 07:59.33 | Benkinooby | hi, i need some clarification. if i don't use any X, i use a "virtual terminal". this virtual terminal has $TERM=linux . if i want to have console access with a GUI, i need a "terminal emulator" such as xterm, urxvt and such. therefor i can not have a terminal in GUI that has $TERM=linux. Correct? |
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| 08:00.03 | siberiannerd | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/chainloading-to-grub-851596/#post4199259 this is the fix for my situation |
| 08:00.07 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi debian. How long does debian wheezy kernel 3.2 gets updated for? |
| 08:00.29 | zhr0 | was installing debian and on network part doesn't accept essid, what should i put there? |
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| 08:00.51 | tralala | MonkWitDaFunk, for one year after the release of Jessie. |
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| 08:01.08 | HelenaKitty | o.o |
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| 08:01.39 | MonkWitDaFunk | One year after a newer release. Ok. Will wheezy have a newer kernel? |
| 08:02.39 | tralala | !wheezy kernel |
| 08:02.40 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" released with the Linux 3.2 kernel, with additional features backported (from later kernel versions) to provide better hardware support. See http://lists.debian.org/20120129182205.GR12704@decadent.org.uk and http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/whats-in-the-linux-kernel-for-debian-70-wheezy-part-4.html for further details. Later kernel versions are available through <debian backports>, ask me about <bdo kernel>. |
| 08:02.43 | MonkWitDaFunk | I prefer for the name wheezy to stay the same kernel |
| 08:03.50 | tralala | MonkWitDaFunk, usually everything stays at the same version for the whole lifespan of stable. However IIRC they did release a new kernel for squeeze. |
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| 08:05.33 | MonkWitDaFunk | Yeah. I think debian can make possible a file server for my intel64's and one amd64 cpu |
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| 08:06.00 | tralala | debian is an excellent choice for servers |
| 08:06.55 | MonkWitDaFunk | I wish to install debian with its networking cut off until i set up ufw firewall |
| 08:07.24 | MonkWitDaFunk | Yet file server option checking on install makes it easy |
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| 08:07.55 | MonkWitDaFunk | Do i need a network connection for an easy install? |
| 08:08.39 | tralala | MonkWitDaFunk, then do a base install, that comes without any services and you can setup the firewall and install the file server task later on. |
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| 08:09.32 | MonkWitDaFunk | Ok |
| 08:10.11 | HelenaKitty | .go 2 |
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| 08:27.20 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i do the following? I want to login to a gdm session to run an app (this part is done) and this session has no window manager nor gnome nor anything. however, the missing part is , i want also the app to run in full screen ? so how can I set the size of the app window ? |
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| 08:28.33 | superlinux-hp | my goal is to run one virtual machine in separate gdm session. |
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| 08:32.41 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: i don't think you'll get around a windowmanager... use decent one like *box or whatever you prefer. you won't even notice their ressource consumption |
| 08:33.03 | asherawelan | Id like to use apt-mirror to have a partial apt repo on a local network drive… how do I stipulate which packages I want to mirror? |
| 08:33.07 | superlinux-hp | Benkinooby, ok |
| 08:33.13 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: you could also run it on bare X |
| 08:33.32 | superlinux-hp | Benkinooby, that's what i want on bare X |
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| 08:34.15 | superlinux-hp | but i still want to select Gnome or the VMware machine |
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| 08:35.02 | superlinux-hp | Benkinooby, do you know a command that can let me set the window size? |
| 08:35.53 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: just to get it right. you log in, and you want your VM to be the first and only thing you see after login |
| 08:36.07 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: as if it was your main system |
| 08:36.09 | superlinux-hp | Benkinooby, exactement! |
| 08:36.35 | mumpitze1 | superlinux-hp: what app is this which you want to run fullscreen? |
| 08:36.47 | superlinux-hp | it's VMware Workstation |
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| 08:37.17 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: when you log in, what GUI do you have now? |
| 08:37.17 | superlinux-hp | so the system will look like another system. |
| 08:37.25 | superlinux-hp | i am on gnome |
| 08:37.39 | mumpitze1 | http://superuser.com/questions/186336/vmware-all-resolutions-displayed-full-screen-howto |
| 08:37.48 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 08:37.49 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: do you want to use your host system on a regular basis? |
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| 08:38.26 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: or will you use your virtual machine exclusively |
| 08:39.22 | superlinux-hp | Benkinooby, i added one session to the GDM list . this session is exclusive to vmware workstaion |
| 08:39.29 | Benkinooby | mumpitze1: what's the name of the "default" window manager of X - so if you have only X installed and use startx ? |
| 08:39.58 | Benkinooby | mumpitze1: the one with the gray background and that blue-ish window title bar? |
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| 08:40.26 | h1nd | hey all. I have inserted a brand-new USBdrive into my RaspberryPi and when I use "blkid -o list" I see the label of this device (/dev/sda1) which is called "MyUSBstick". There are no filesystem on the drive,yet. What is the command to change this "DEVICE"label of a drive? I dont need "tune2fs -L" because that affects only the label of the fs (which I even dont have created) |
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| 08:40.40 | superlinux-hp | i think i found something |
| 08:40.56 | superlinux-hp | there is a command named 'vmware' |
| 08:40.57 | Benkinooby | got it ! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:X-Window-System.png |
| 08:40.59 | h1nd | I would like to change the LABEL for this device, so I can use it to mount it through /etc/fstab |
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| 08:41.34 | superlinux-hp | Benkinooby, this is still uses twm |
| 08:41.36 | superlinux-hp | ☺ |
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| 08:42.16 | tomodachi | h1nd: i think parted should support changing labels |
| 08:42.30 | superlinux-hp | vmware --geometry=1024x768 -X |
| 08:42.47 | superlinux-hp | this must be the command, brb to test it |
| 08:42.53 | Benkinooby | superlinux-hp: yeah i see now - it's jsut an other windowmanager :P |
| 08:43.00 | tomodachi | h1nd: if not there are several different commands depending on the filsesystem on your usb stick |
| 08:43.53 | h1nd | tomodachi: NOT the filesystem label, I am talking of the device label. I want to change the device label. It was not parted, it was some other command (which I don't remember :( |
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| 08:46.32 | Agiofws | hello i'm suing debian wheezy ? with gnome 3 and the open source ati drivers how do i set up a dual screen set up is there any app to set this up ? |
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| 08:49.48 | Agiofws | hello i'm suing debian wheezy ? with gnome 3 and the open source ati drivers how do i set up a dual screen set up is there any app to set this up ? |
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| 08:50.49 | Benkinooby | Agiofws: don't repeat your question within 3 minutes. to answer your cestion - try system settings -> displays |
| 08:51.23 | somiaj | or use xrandr |
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| 08:55.24 | Agiofws | thank you Benkinooby and somiaj |
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| 08:57.35 | mumpitze1 | Benkinooby: twm is the default |
| 08:57.51 | mumpitze1 | the grey background is part of X itself |
| 08:58.23 | Benkinooby | mumpitze1: do you know anyone who still uses twm? |
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| 09:02.45 | wsk233 | hello |
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| 09:03.06 | wsk233 | if i put 2 users in a group chan users then change eachother files? |
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| 09:04.04 | somiaj | wsk233: depends on the file. |
| 09:04.17 | somiaj | wsk233: and the permissions, by default no. |
| 09:04.32 | wsk233 | ah but i fi set the premission correct then yes right? |
| 09:04.38 | somiaj | correct |
| 09:04.47 | somiaj | you may also want to look at the sticky bit in the permissions for a directory |
| 09:05.01 | somiaj | this way multiple users can have write privlages to the same directory but cannot delete each others files |
| 09:05.04 | oobe | I dont have any questions about debian I just joined the channel cause im using debian |
| 09:05.12 | somiaj | welcome |
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| 10:21.02 | jimcooncat | karoshi: You could do that during an automated install with preseed. There must be a way to do the same with an individual package install. I'd sure like to know, too. |
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| 10:24.30 | jimcooncat | karoshi: it looks like debconf-set-selections may be the command to use, but I don't know the syntax |
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| 10:27.39 | cusco | hi.. first we've ordered a certificate from a trusted authority |
| 10:27.52 | cusco | how to use their ca-bundle with our certificate request |
| 10:27.58 | cusco | to generate a certificate for apache? |
| 10:29.00 | colo-work | that's not how you get your pubkey/cert signed. you submit the CSR to the signature services vendor in order to do so. |
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| 10:30.00 | cusco | colo we did so |
| 10:30.10 | cusco | and we now have a reply with a ca bundle |
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| 10:30.36 | cusco | we set a certificate request, sent it to the vendor |
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| 10:34.00 | OnionNet | hi. I am having trouble with xdotool |
| 10:34.08 | OnionNet | xdotool getactivewindow windowmove 0 0 #outputs "Usage: getactivewindow" |
| 10:34.15 | OnionNet | echo $? #ouputs "1" |
| 10:34.21 | OnionNet | This command is copied from the examples section in the xdotool man page, so I do not see how the syntax can be wrong. |
| 10:35.13 | jimcooncat | karoshi: I think it's possible to do it simply if all answers are "yes" using apt-get's -y option. |
| 10:35.44 | jimcooncat | karoshi: for changing the default see this write-up, http://gercogandia.blogspot.com/2012/11/automatic-unattended-install-of.html |
| 10:35.58 | jimcooncat | karoshi: I did not personally test these. |
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| 10:36.10 | TaZeR|2 | hey did u fellow dweebs know that debian is shit |
| 10:36.21 | TaZeR|2 | and that its run by a bunch of nerds |
| 10:36.31 | jimcooncat | TaZeR|2: we know, move on please |
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| 10:37.21 | karoshi | jimcooncat: thanks, it's not all answering "yes", there's also a checkbox to tick (which is silly since there's one option, so it could have been a yes/no) |
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| 10:37.27 | karoshi | jimcooncat: I'll have a look at that page |
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| 10:37.28 | karoshi | thanks |
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| 11:09.13 | speedfire | Hi everyone, Someone have time and competencies to help for a steam installation under wheezy ? :-) |
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| 11:14.36 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell speedfire about steam |
| 11:14.42 | ChrisH | speedfire: this is all I know :) |
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| 11:18.27 | ChrisH | speedfire: no priv messages please as I cannot help but others might be |
| 11:19.05 | speedfire | Oo oki thy |
| 11:19.35 | abrotman | the bot should know where to send him for docs |
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| 11:21.42 | ChrisH | speedfire: some answers of your qustion can be found in what the bot send you |
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| 11:42.41 | boudiccas | how can i search through a directory for '"n" "Agenda' in all of its files, and if found to highlight the file name and path in xterm that i'm using please? |
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| 11:47.04 | abrotman | boudiccas: grep |
| 11:48.56 | boudiccas | ah, thanks. grep and sed are virtuall unused with me as i dont know how to use them. guess its time to learn then |
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| 11:50.28 | sevenfourk | fellas, anyone maybe remember how to bind Alt+n instead of Ctrl+n in Firefox (this configuration mostly in windows) |
| 11:50.34 | colo-work | fgrep -l -R '"n" "Agenda' . |
| 11:50.47 | sevenfourk | this is for switching tabs |
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| 11:58.28 | TBJoe | after switching from stable to testing, I can choose between two kernel version in the grub loader now ... why can I still use the old one? (does it even make sense to use the old one?) |
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| 12:01.18 | udo | hello after a netinstall of squeeze over eth0 i try to enable wlan |
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| 12:01.44 | udo | got a dell 17rse with intel N 2230 adapter |
| 12:01.58 | boudiccas | what will open this please - 'org-agenda.elc' as it just appears as a blob in leafpad? |
| 12:02.21 | ChrisH | TBJoe: because there might be an issue with the new one. EG. To use my SD Card reader I need a different kernel as to use virtual box. |
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| 12:05.34 | himuraken | Good morning all! I am trying to user resizefs and found that ext4 cannot currently grow beyond 16TB although ext4 can be formatted larger. Should I backup my data, format to full cap and then restore? If so, would you consider something other than ext4? Debian stable is the OS and I hear that xfs doesn't handle issues well, hence my desire to stick with ext4. |
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| 12:09.50 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 12:09.58 | Posterdati | is anyone usinglibusb++ in wheezy? |
| 12:10.05 | Posterdati | is anyone using libusb++ in wheezy? |
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| 12:10.51 | ksk | himuraken: xfs does work fine with lard volumes over here |
| 12:11.00 | ksk | s/lard/large |
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| 12:11.34 | ksk | himuraken: but i guess ext4 ist just fine, dunno about why that rezising fails though |
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| 12:13.57 | Walex | himuraken: there are complex rules about resizing and converting ext3 to ext4. |
| 12:14.28 | Walex | himuraken: in any case in-place conversions are always a bit dangerous, and usually slow, so backup/restore is usually a much better option. |
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| 12:14.53 | Walex | himuraken: even more importantly large filesystems have big downsides. But most people think that they know better. |
| 12:15.39 | ksk | Walex: he did not mention ext3 |
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| 12:16.14 | Walex | ksk: the most common case in which 'ext4' cannot be resized to larger than 8/16GiB is when it was converted from 'ext3'. |
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| 12:20.31 | ChrisH | Walex: TiB not GiB :) I did resize over 16GiB several times :) |
| 12:20.51 | Walex | ChrisH: as I mentioned the rules are complex. |
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| 12:22.30 | Walex | ChrisH: anyhow resizing is usually a phenomenally bad idea, converting is only a bit less bad, and large (> 5-6GiB) are a pretty bad idea too, but as all successful bad hacks they work Ok-ish in the beginning... |
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| 12:25.55 | Walex | I had collected some time ago most of the rules for resizing 'ext3' and 'ext4' here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFS.html#fsHintsExt4 |
| 12:26.59 | himuraken | Thanks for the input ksk and Walex . I am already on ext4, never ext3. Apparently even though ext4 supports greater than 16TB, the toolset hasn't caught up. mkfs now support creation of larger, but growing over 16 isnt supported. |
| 12:27.07 | himuraken | Guess its, backup, mkfs, restore ;-) Thanks all. |
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| 12:28.13 | ChrisH | Walex: that page is using strange fonts and nearly unreadable on iceweasel. |
| 12:28.31 | ChrisH | chromium looks better |
| 12:29.10 | Walex | himuraken: that page has most of the details on which version of what supports what on 'ext4', but yes, dump/restore is best. |
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| 12:31.30 | Walex | ChrisH: uhmmm, the styles specify in order Verdana, Georgia, Times, and 'serif'. Probably you have an unscalable 'Times' or 'serif' setup |
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| 12:34.12 | ChrisH | Walex: you may be right, but I do not have an idea where to look or change. I do not really care about Fonts, and how it looks. |
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| 12:40.22 | mrAZ | do you know how to escape special characters in rsyslog so logs get colorized in less? |
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| 12:41.58 | ChrisH | mrAZ: in vim ESC :syntax on should do it. dunno about less. and no sequences are needed, this is a vim builtin feature |
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| 12:44.31 | Walex | mrAZ: what do you mean by "special characters"? Are you having "just" a character set issue? |
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| 12:52.40 | newbie|2 | i dont understand this |
| 12:52.44 | newbie|2 | why debian is outdated |
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| 12:54.20 | cusco | what do you mean |
| 12:54.22 | cusco | outdated ? |
| 12:54.28 | cusco | I'm trying to use our new signed certificate we got from CA |
| 12:54.31 | newbie|2 | man |
| 12:54.38 | cusco | hoever exim complains: TLS error on connection from mail.pcmedic.pt (test) [127.0.0.1]:42802 I=[127.0.0.1]:587 (cert/key setup: cert=/root/tralha/cert/novo.crt key=/root/tralha/cert/novo.key): Error while reading file. |
| 12:54.38 | newbie|2 | gem-update gave me an error |
| 12:54.43 | newbie|2 | it can break your system |
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| 12:54.46 | cusco | I can't figure out why :( |
| 12:54.57 | newbie|2 | so i search for it and i learnet this error was fixed |
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| 12:55.12 | newbie|2 | still occurs in debian because debian is outdated |
| 12:55.32 | cusco | newbie|2: have you checked if backports has a newer version of the package you're reffering to? |
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| 12:56.42 | newbie|2 | i didnt check this is the error i referred http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3643870/gem-update-system-is-disabled-on-debian-error |
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| 12:59.28 | icjs | i've installed sublime text 2 on debian wheezy/gnome3 - how can i "register" st2 as an app with which i can open .md (markdown) files? |
| 12:59.32 | module000 | cusco: does your exim user have permission to read that file? shot in the dark |
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| 13:00.23 | module000 | icjs: for gnome3, right click a .md file, choose properties, navigate to "open with" tab, and select what .md should use to open there |
| 13:00.52 | icjs | module000, thanks but the problem is st2 is not listed. how do i "register" it so it appears in the list. |
| 13:01.03 | icjs | i'm thinking it needs to be in the alternatives system or summat |
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| 13:02.41 | module000 | icjs: oh, that list is controlled by your gnome menu (same one you edit with alacarte), if it has an system menu entry it will show up in that list |
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| 13:03.06 | module000 | icjs: if you just uncompressed ST2, that's why it isn't in that list. add a new menu entry for it manually or with alacarte, then you'll see it in the list of open with applications |
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| 13:04.55 | icjs | module000, i did that already in order to get st2 in the left dock menu, still it is not listed in anything "applications" lists |
| 13:05.03 | icjs | i dont have my gnome3 install here to check |
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| 13:05.27 | icjs | i went through the manaul step to get it added to alacarte |
| 13:05.55 | module000 | icjs: in that case i'm not sure why it's not showing up.. i looked this over after your question: http://vazhavandan.blogspot.com/2012/02/force-programs-to-appear-in-open-with.html |
| 13:06.18 | module000 | icjs: that author says his wouldn't show up in 'open with' until he added %U to the command line with alacarte(so it could be passed a file to open by default) |
| 13:06.36 | tuxIO | How does checkinstall work? Does it hook into make and looks what make does to the system? Or can it be used on all programs? Does it watch filesystem operations? |
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| 13:07.46 | icjs | module000, ah that might be it, i'll bookmark that and read later |
| 13:08.18 | yalu | hi. I'm running a couple of software loadbalancers on Debian using ldirectord/ipvsadm. since upgrading to debian 7 , on one server the connections just don't seem to get through . I narrowed it down to the kernel version: if I run wheezy with a 2.6.32 kernel it works, but not with a 3.2 kernel. also I have another Debian 7 running as a testserver with ipvsadm and it works there. |
| 13:08.19 | icjs | ALL: out of curious, how many people have happily made the jump to gnome3 or have "table-flipped" and are running with gnome2 or MATE |
| 13:08.24 | yalu | and I can't find the difference :/ |
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| 13:08.54 | tuxIO | anyone? |
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| 13:09.05 | module000 | icjs: i'm using gnome3 exclusively now. sometimes it has it's quirks still, but i've gotten accustomed to it and feel productive again |
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| 13:12.04 | icjs | module000, cool. same here although not used it anger yet. about to though. |
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| 13:23.23 | milligan | I have a dell server with a Dell SAS6 RAID controller in it. It's set up with a RAID-1, two disk mirror. At the moment, I am in the bios and the status of the raid is "7% syncd" and counting. Can I safely boot into the OS, and sync will continue or do I have to sit in BIOS/Controller till the sync is done ? |
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| 13:24.20 | module000 | milligan: you can go ahead and boot, the sync will continue transparent to the OS |
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| 13:25.17 | milligan | nice - that's what I thought. Thanks for confirmation. |
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| 13:27.34 | testafs | Hello. When adding a device to a RAID with mdadm --manage --add, how do I force mdadm to *not* re-add the device without writing zeros with dd first? |
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| 13:27.59 | epsilon | milligan: depending on controller, sync may start at 0% again on each boot |
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| 13:29.18 | milligan | epsilon, as long as it keeps syncing in the background, I am happy. Come to think of it, I guess it was kind of a silly question. Of course it will sync in the background, else the controller is useless :P |
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| 13:52.04 | p3rror | hello |
| 13:52.10 | p3rror | In a debian server |
| 13:52.14 | hellyeah | hey |
| 13:52.26 | p3rror | Can i update one package |
| 13:52.40 | p3rror | like apache, or php |
| 13:52.46 | themill | no |
| 13:52.53 | hellyeah | what about install |
| 13:52.54 | p3rror | is there any command to upgrade an uniq application |
| 13:53.02 | p3rror | themill, no ? |
| 13:53.06 | hellyeah | aptitude install package could work |
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| 13:53.24 | p3rror | hellome, aptitude even the package is installed |
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| 13:54.41 | p3rror | hellyeah, aptitude can upgrade a package ? |
| 13:55.17 | austeregrim | p3rror it should update if its already installed... It will also upgrade any dependancies that need to be upgeaded too. |
| 13:55.17 | themill | p3rror: upgrade from what to what? why? |
| 13:55.20 | hellyeah | i dont know |
| 13:55.30 | hellyeah | may be you can install new version of existing opackage |
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| 13:55.36 | hellyeah | with aptitude install package |
| 13:56.12 | hellyeah | for example i have iceweasel and i can do aptitude install iceweasel if there is a newer version i can get it |
| 13:56.34 | hellyeah | but i ever tried my sense meantioned this could work |
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| 13:56.39 | hellyeah | never* |
| 13:56.58 | austeregrim | It should work that way. |
| 13:56.59 | p3rror | themill, I see that aptitude suggest to upgrade php version 5.4.4-14+deb7u2 |
| 13:57.07 | p3rror | themill, to 5.4.4-14+deb7u3 |
| 13:57.21 | p3rror | themill, what is difference between |
| 13:57.34 | p3rror | themill, 5.4.4-14+deb7u2 vs 5.4.4-14+deb7u3 |
| 13:57.34 | themill | I think you'll find that the current version is actually 5.4.4-14+deb7u4. |
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| 13:58.10 | themill | p3rror: each package has a changelog you can view and each of these updates to stable will have had a DSA about them. You might like to subscribe to the DSA list |
| 13:58.25 | themill | dpkg: tell p3rror about dsa |
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| 14:01.58 | p3rror | themill, OK |
| 14:02.37 | p3rror | themill, you mean that the difference between 5.4.4-14+deb7u2 and 5.4.4-14+deb7u3 is only a DSA |
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| 14:03.01 | p3rror | themill, this is not an upgrade even the release version is the same |
| 14:03.12 | p3rror | themill, 5.4.4-14 |
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| 14:04.47 | hellyeah | http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 14:06.02 | jelly | p3rror: it's an upgrade from apt's PoV |
| 14:06.30 | jelly | it's a security fix from p3rror's PoV |
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| 14:06.55 | p3rror | jelly, it is just a security update |
| 14:07.08 | p3rror | jelly, not an upgrade |
| 14:07.20 | themill | p3rror: [00:06] <jelly> p3rror: it's an upgrade from apt's PoV |
| 14:07.30 | p3rror | jelly, not a release upgrade |
| 14:07.32 | hellyeah | p3rror: |
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| 14:07.57 | themill | p3rror: either the version strings are identical or they are not. If they are non-identical, it is an upgrade. |
| 14:08.06 | hellyeah | if you aptitude install package and there are some security that depends the package you want to install this command will install it i think |
| 14:08.47 | p3rror | themill, the upgrade is happened when we talk about a new release is out |
| 14:08.59 | themill | you can keep arguing all you like. |
| 14:09.03 | p3rror | themill, a security fix is not an upgrade |
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| 14:09.15 | p3rror | themill, it is an update I think |
| 14:09.30 | themill | That isn't going to change what this is and how you are going to get the new packages. |
| 14:09.43 | jhutchins | p3rror: You're quibbling over semantics. |
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| 14:09.50 | hellyeah | p3rror: do you have synaptic? |
| 14:09.56 | themill | p3rror: well you try running "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" and see what the difference is. |
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| 14:10.15 | themill | p3rror: you can then tell me whether apt (and hence debian) calls this an upgrade or not. |
| 14:10.17 | jelly | p3rror: well, your understanding and/or usage of the word "upgrade" differs from most everyone else in here. Since the difference does not present any technical issue, you might as well adapt to the lingo. |
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| 14:10.45 | jelly | when in Rome |
| 14:10.53 | hellyeah | if you have synaptic you can see package will be updated easily |
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| 14:11.22 | jelly | p3rror: and if think think "upgrade" is bad, "update" and "updates" have at LEAST four different meanings in Debian! |
| 14:11.28 | jelly | s/think/you/ |
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| 14:15.13 | p3rror | hellyeah, I dont have synaptic I run debian on a server |
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| 14:24.00 | elisboa | Is it possible to use Debian Stable as an AD domain controller? Or should I try testing and/or unstable? |
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| 14:24.34 | jelly | ,v samba4 |
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| 14:34.57 | jcbjoe | is there an app thats like itunes for debian .. if so or if im just looking for a good music player .. whats a good tag to search with apittuide or apt-get ? |
| 14:35.12 | jcbjoe | or just google it and then install what i find ? |
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| 14:35.52 | zinx | jcbjoe: there's a number of them |
| 14:36.05 | jcbjoe | zinx: any personally recommended ? |
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| 14:36.09 | pmo | hmm since when did gdomap become a default part of debian? |
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| 14:36.29 | themill | pmo: ? |
| 14:36.39 | zinx | jcbjoe: not really. i use abraca for various reasons, which are probably not important to most people |
| 14:36.40 | pmo | what i just said |
| 14:36.43 | d3sync | amarok if u are on kde |
| 14:36.57 | pmo | all of a sudden i have gdomap running on port 538 |
| 14:37.11 | zinx | jcbjoe: use::playing and works-with::audio may be relevant tags, maybe toss in a interface::x11 for good measure? |
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| 14:37.48 | jelly | jcbjoe: clementine is a nice Qt based music library manager and player |
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| 14:38.03 | themill | pmo: ahh.. it's a binary. It's not part of any default installation at all |
| 14:38.21 | pmo | must be since its all of a sudden added via apt |
| 14:38.24 | pmo | or in some package |
| 14:38.32 | hke | package p was in release a but not b, how can i find out the reason it has been dropped? |
| 14:38.47 | themill | pmo: well, yes, it's part of a package, but no sort of default. |
| 14:39.03 | pmo | a package that seems to come per default |
| 14:39.09 | themill | no. |
| 14:39.20 | pmo | well it is on a default installation |
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| 14:39.35 | pmo | jessie btw |
| 14:39.37 | themill | well, it's not. |
| 14:39.48 | pmo | then how does it run on my install |
| 14:39.50 | pmo | and i didnt add it |
| 14:40.01 | themill | presumably you did |
| 14:40.11 | pmo | 100% didnt |
| 14:40.22 | themill | well it didn't install itself |
| 14:40.31 | pmo | must either be default or debian might be comprimized |
| 14:40.34 | themill | no |
| 14:40.41 | themill | go through your logs and work out when you installed that package |
| 14:40.51 | pmo | i never did install it :) |
| 14:41.02 | themill | it wouldn't be on your disk and running if you did not. |
| 14:41.04 | pmo | all i do on the system is updating with apt-get |
| 14:41.10 | themill | please think about what you're saying here... |
| 14:41.16 | pmo | i am |
| 14:41.22 | themill | so go through your logs and work out when you installed that package |
| 14:41.31 | pmo | i will once i have time |
| 14:41.38 | pmo | and there is no gdomap |
| 14:41.44 | pmo | its a part of some other package |
| 14:41.49 | pmo | try nmap your own system |
| 14:42.04 | themill | I have no gdomap on my machines |
| 14:42.23 | themill | The relevant package isn't even installed |
| 14:42.37 | pmo | what is the relevant package so i can check? |
| 14:43.17 | themill | dpkg -S |
| 14:43.17 | dpkg | themill: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 14:44.31 | pmo | ah gnustep-base-runtime.. located in /etc/default/gdomap etc |
| 14:44.57 | themill | and that is far from being a default package -- as I said, work out when you installed that |
| 14:45.27 | pmo | i have to reinstall |
| 14:45.34 | pmo | since i 100% didnt install it |
| 14:45.45 | themill | umm... you quite clearly did |
| 14:46.00 | pmo | bigger chance you came tp my home and did it |
| 14:46.03 | pmo | to |
| 14:46.15 | pmo | if you are so sure i did, WHY would i install gnustep? |
| 14:46.23 | themill | or you could just look in your logs to find out. |
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| 14:46.36 | pmo | once i have time sure |
| 14:46.51 | themill | you could have found it rather than arguing for the last 5 minutes... |
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| 14:47.22 | pmo | anyways i will reinstall, if it comes back when done and you are as sure as you are, i must just assume the debian servers are comprimized |
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| 14:47.35 | themill | or you aren't paying attention |
| 14:47.50 | pmo | i would be paying attention :) |
| 14:47.57 | themill | well you clearly weren't |
| 14:48.01 | pmo | how not? |
| 14:48.07 | themill | *sigh* |
| 14:48.18 | pmo | you cant even answer |
| 14:48.32 | pmo | starts to look like you have reading issues |
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| 14:49.12 | themill | You managed to install a package without noticing it and now you're trying to tell people that the debian archive is in some way compromised. And you refuse to even look in your logs to work out when and why you did so. And I'm the one with reading issues. Great. |
| 14:49.36 | pmo | i managed to install a package without installing anything, right |
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| 15:05.51 | jcbjoe | guys .. whats a good way to find the uuid of my drive .. lsblk didn't find it .. i basically want to automount my windows drive when i boot up |
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| 15:06.54 | jcbjoe | its /media/jcbjoe/windows8_os/Users/jcbjoe/Music/iTunes/Media |
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| 15:07.11 | jcbjoe | or do i even need the uid do i just put the path in fstab ? |
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| 15:08.39 | tristero | jcbjoe: "blkid /dev/sdXX" UUID is more robust since device pathnames can change from boot to boot |
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| 15:11.41 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have a Debian system whose root fs is on a RAID set which suffered multiple disk unplugs. The system won't boot from USB or CD, only floppy. Does anyone know of a rescue floppy disk with mdadm on it? |
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| 15:12.41 | musca | !plop |
| 15:12.41 | dpkg | Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD-ROM and USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use. http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ |
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| 15:14.17 | jhutchins | !ntfs |
| 15:14.17 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
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| 15:14.30 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: You'll need that too. |
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| 15:21.39 | elisboa | !active directory |
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| 15:24.16 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, is there anyone, who can help me with sftp chroot with key auth? i edited AuthorizedKeysFile + Math Group XYZ but when i try to log in with user in group XYZ, key gets denied and there is no error in /var/log/auth.log (connection closed IP [preauth]) |
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| 15:26.17 | ksk | DarkKnightCZ: first try setting sshd logging to a more verbose level |
| 15:26.35 | jhutchins | DarkKnightCZ: "i edited AuthorizedKeysFile + Math Group XYZ" - I'm not sure what that means, but it wouldn't describe the steps to do what you're trying to do. |
| 15:26.48 | DarkKnightCZ | ksk: yep, just a sec |
| 15:27.19 | jcbjoe | lets say i installed debian on a gpt parition .. when i run blkid /dev/sda4 that windows is on it dosen't give me a uuid |
| 15:27.29 | DarkKnightCZ | jhutchins: sshd_config, AuthorizedKeysFile value (defines path to authorized keys) and "Match Group groupname" for setting chroot for specified group |
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| 15:30.12 | DarkKnightCZ | ksk: thanks, it looks like permissions problem |
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| 15:30.59 | jhutchins | DarkKnightCZ: Spewing random nonsense does not help us solve your problem. |
| 15:31.28 | DarkKnightCZ | jhutchins: jesus... http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?sshd_config and search for AuthorizedKeysFile |
| 15:31.46 | jhutchins | DarkKnightCZ: There is no reason to make changes in that configuration. |
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| 15:32.23 | DarkKnightCZ | jhutchins: are you sure? if i wanna "jail" sftp users with chroot? |
| 15:32.30 | jhutchins | DarkKnightCZ: We use group authorization for ssh logins on all of our servers, and what you've said so far might as well be random dictionary words for all it conveys about what you've done; it doesn't relate the the correct procedure. |
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| 15:33.13 | DarkKnightCZ | ok, so lets start from beggining, ssh keys auth doesnt work, why does my computer hate me? |
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| 15:34.01 | jhutchins | DarkKnightCZ: Each user needs a valid keypair with the public key in $authorizedkeys, each user neeeds to be a member of the group, you need an allowgroups statement in the sshd_conf file. The keypair can be unique per user or can be pre-shared among the group. |
| 15:34.48 | DarkKnightCZ | thank you, i reaaaaly didn't know that, but nevermind, ksk helped me, it was a problem with authorized_keys permissions |
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| 15:42.29 | anonnumberanon | Should I use Virtualbox for different Linux machines within my current install? |
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| 15:44.25 | jordanm | uhh, sure? |
| 15:44.42 | testafs | anonnumberanon: VirtualBox is fine. Or Xen. Depending on what you are intending to achieve? |
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| 15:44.54 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Or multiple boot. |
| 15:45.10 | themill | You might want to pick a virtualisation solution that is better supported by the kernel developers and is actually free software, however. |
| 15:45.48 | DammitJim | what is a good package for sending my syslog messages to another machine? |
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| 15:46.24 | testafs | DammitJim: rsyslog? :) |
| 15:46.42 | digdilem | r. debian's default, rsyslog, can send remotely |
| 15:47.31 | DammitJim | oh really? |
| 15:47.34 | digdilem | DammitJim, this may be useful http://www.rsyslog.com/sending-messages-to-a-remote-syslog-server/ |
| 15:47.36 | DammitJim | cool |
| 15:48.09 | DammitJim | but the host machine still keeps a copy of the syslog, right? |
| 15:48.17 | anonnumberanon | jhutchins, I'm already booting 2 systems on this hardware but I want to run lightweight things within a VM to save time. Try out things and experiment around. |
| 15:48.22 | digdilem | i think it can do both |
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| 15:51.35 | jelly | DammitJim: it does whatever you configure it to |
| 15:51.43 | Pegasus_RPG | Okay, it appears my CD-ROM drive has failed so I can't use a rescue CD. Is there somewhere I can download a boot floppy that has mdadm on it? |
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| 15:51.56 | SirLagz | Pegasus_RPG: USB boot ? |
| 15:52.00 | jelly | DammitJim: and yes it can send same logs to multiple destinations |
| 15:52.02 | Pegasus_RPG | The only floppy I have access to doesn't like the 1.7MB format of tomsrtbt |
| 15:52.12 | Pegasus_RPG | SirLagz: the system doesn't boot off USB |
| 15:52.21 | SirLagz | oh...it's *that* old ? |
| 15:52.27 | SirLagz | floppy -> usb boot ? |
| 15:52.29 | Pegasus_RPG | yes, Pentium III class |
| 15:52.34 | Pegasus_RPG | hmm I coudl try that |
| 15:52.37 | SirLagz | nice old creaky hardware haha |
| 15:52.44 | DammitJim | and that is not just the syslog, right? it can be other logs? |
| 15:53.23 | Pegasus_RPG | SirLagz: how do I get an ISO written to USB so that a utility like Smart Boot Manager can boot it? |
| 15:53.29 | SirLagz | unetbootin |
| 15:53.39 | Pegasus_RPG | ah right |
| 15:53.40 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks |
| 15:54.02 | SirLagz | Pegasus_RPG: no problems |
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| 15:56.46 | Pegasus_RPG | Does anyone know if Smart Boot Manager supports booting from USB? |
| 15:57.00 | icjs | lanyone got picasa working under wine in wheezy? i just see the mouse busy pointer for a few seconds then nothing. |
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| 15:57.37 | Pegasus_RPG | this onem specifically http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ |
| 15:57.37 | nvteighen | icjs: does it even work on Windows? last time I used it it was disastrous |
| 15:58.08 | icjs | nvteighen, works very well on windows. i prefer it to shotwell. works very well under wine on squeeze, just wheezy is a problem. |
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| 15:58.25 | icjs | maybe there is a log that wine produces somewhere |
| 15:59.03 | mumpitze1 | icjs: have you checked appdb? |
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| 15:59.32 | icjs | mumpitze1, whats that? the winhq app db thing? |
| 15:59.37 | mumpitze1 | icjs: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2024 |
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| 16:00.08 | mumpitze1 | as for a log: start your wine + app in a xterm. it should log into that xterm then |
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| 16:01.02 | icjs | mumpitze1, thanks good idea. looks like picasa 3.9 and wine 1.4.1 shud in theory work. |
| 16:01.13 | mumpitze1 | ,v wine |
| 16:01.14 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 16:01.42 | naibed | I copied debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso to usb stick but computer won't boot from it |
| 16:01.43 | mumpitze1 | so run "wine picasa.exe" in a xterm |
| 16:01.54 | mumpitze1 | naibed: what command did you use to copy it? |
| 16:02.23 | naibed | cp debian....iso /usb-stick |
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| 16:03.42 | mumpitze1 | that's wrong. cp debina.iso /dev/sdc (or whatever device file your usb stick uses). you must be root |
| 16:03.58 | mumpitze1 | you must copy it to a place that starts with /dev. |
| 16:04.12 | naibed | cp ~/Lataukset/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso /media/02CA-D5D6 |
| 16:04.14 | mumpitze1 | and no number, e.g. it must be sdc, it must NOT be sdc1 |
| 16:04.25 | mumpitze1 | naibed: that's wrong. not /media but /dev |
| 16:04.50 | nvteighen | mumpitze1: well, the first thing should be to run "mount" and see the dev name |
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| 16:05.58 | mumpitze1 | naibed: plug the usb stick in and run "dmesg". at the end it tells you which /dev/sd* it uses for this usb stick |
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| 16:10.05 | jcbjoe | hi all .. what is the pattern that aptitude uses where it tries to match packages ? lets say the package is gstreamer-extra-plugins |
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| 16:10.24 | jcbjoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.33 | tremon | can you rephrase that question? aptitude uses the pattern you provide |
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| 16:12.02 | naibed | is it possible to write on unmounted disk? |
| 16:12.08 | jcbjoe | oh sorry |
| 16:12.26 | anonnumberanon | Well thanks guise. |
| 16:12.26 | icjs | in gnome3 can the file picker dialogs be sorted by date descending by default? |
| 16:12.54 | jcbjoe | im looking for a package that has to do with gstreamer .. i want to find all packages with gstream and plugin |
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| 16:13.08 | icjs | ,v mysql-server |
| 16:13.09 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.31+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.31+dfsg-1 |
| 16:13.32 | jcbjoe | tremon: a little better ? |
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| 16:14.37 | jcbjoe | it seems that http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html < -- has great tips but ~n and ~i seem like the only relevent search things i ever need .. i want to narrow my searhes down to a point |
| 16:14.46 | tremon | jcbjoe: then what you're suggesting should work. But I think you don't want to much either part, you want to match both. So that would be gstreamer.*plugin |
| 16:15.00 | tremon | err... s/much/match/ |
| 16:15.49 | themill | jcbjoe: search terms with no space between them are a logical AND. "~ngstreamer~nplugin" |
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| 16:18.36 | naibed | before copying debian.iso to usb stick do I have to unmount it? |
| 16:18.53 | tremon | naibed: yes |
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| 16:19.37 | tremon | although I realize the documentation says to use "cp", you're not technically copying the file. You need to write its contents to a usb stick directly |
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| 16:20.17 | tremon | that's what the cp command in the install guide does |
| 16:20.23 | icjs | jcbjoe, aptitude search gstream | grep plugin |
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| 16:21.47 | jcbjoe | icjs: can i narrow it down further ? |
| 16:21.58 | icjs | jcbjoe, aptitude search gstream | grep plugin | grep foo |
| 16:21.59 | jcbjoe | i think extra is in the name also |
| 16:22.02 | jcbjoe | aw ok |
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| 16:22.17 | peaceblaster | What debian release/fork would you recommend for someone moderately experienced with Linux? I've tried to educate myself on it but haven't gotten far |
| 16:22.49 | Vicissitude | wheezy, definitely |
| 16:22.53 | jelly | peaceblaster: people in this channel are likely to suggest using the real thing |
| 16:23.02 | jelly | so, current debian 7 release |
| 16:23.12 | icjs | peaceblaster, wheezy, and pick a major gui flavour like gnome3 or kde |
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| 16:24.01 | Vicissitude | or xfce |
| 16:24.11 | up365 | just read the deb wiki ssd, wouldn't it be easier to install OS on ssd rather than moving OS from hdd to ssd, only the OS is currently on this hdd? |
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| 16:24.48 | peaceblaster | I definitely prefer gnome, but yeah what I meant is which "real" one. Wheezy it is then I guess |
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| 16:25.32 | tremon | peaceblaster: there is only one debian |
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| 16:26.04 | berarma | I wouldn't recommend xfce to anyone with a decent computer |
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| 16:26.28 | jack18 | Salve a tutti |
| 16:26.42 | tremon | that's okay, I wouldn't recommend gnome. And I'm pretty sure we can find someone in this channel who'll never recommend kde |
| 16:26.48 | icjs | up365, if you have a second computer and sata hdd enclosures you can dd all the data from the non-ssd to the ssd |
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| 16:27.07 | peaceblaster | Well, thank you people for clearing that up |
| 16:27.22 | icjs | tremon, why not gnome? |
| 16:27.25 | jelly | icjs: that would move the unused parts as well |
| 16:27.39 | jelly | icjs: it's probably better to do a file-based clone |
| 16:28.14 | icjs | jelly, does it matter? ive done the same worked fine. i just partitioned the rest as/when i needed. was quick and painless. |
| 16:28.57 | babilen | icjs: there's nothing wrong with any of the desktop environments. It really boils down to personal preference |
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| 16:29.09 | jelly | icjs: it does, the ssd firmware will not know which written blocks are available for wear leveling and optimization is you write to all |
| 16:29.27 | jelly | if* you write to all |
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| 16:29.40 | icjs | jelly, ah ok, istr reading summat abt that |
| 16:29.55 | tremon | jelly, icjs: there's fstrim for that |
| 16:30.10 | icjs | babilen, sure, was just curious why tremon would not recommend |
| 16:30.12 | jelly | tremon: but there's no need to for an extra step this way |
| 16:30.20 | jelly | s/to // |
| 16:30.20 | tremon | true :) |
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| 16:31.27 | tremon | icjs: that's very much #offtopic here, but the very short of it is that I've never liked gnome and have no reason to want to like it |
| 16:32.21 | icjs | tremon, fair enough |
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| 16:33.05 | icjs | jelly, what file-level copying tool would u use? or do you mean, re-create the partitions and rsync all the data over? |
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| 16:35.14 | berarma | tremon: there's a reason |
| 16:35.15 | jelly | icjs: yes, rsync is good enough |
| 16:35.19 | jcbjoe | sorry for being such a n00b at searching with aptitude but i really like how deep it can go .. it just seems that http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html is really looking for broken stuff |
| 16:35.27 | jcbjoe | almost all the descirptions for this link are for borken stuff |
| 16:35.30 | jcbjoe | anyone agree ? |
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| 16:36.38 | tremon | not true, there's ?broken for that. Everything else is not to search for broken stuff |
| 16:36.58 | jelly | icjs: in fact that's pretty much how my workstation at home got migrated to ssd, only it was LVM LVs instead of partitions |
| 16:37.02 | jcbjoe | tremon: the discription |
| 16:37.05 | up365 | I think I'll do the fresh install on the ssd, all that needs saving is on another hdd and then I'll just have to install the programs I want, not really a big deal |
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| 16:37.46 | jelly | icjs: later I did it again to add nearly-full-disk-encryption (/boot is not encrypted ;-) |
| 16:37.58 | tremon | jcbjoe: if you mean that the documentation is lacking, I agree with you. The descriptions are very terse |
| 16:38.06 | jcbjoe | k |
| 16:38.08 | jcbjoe | :D |
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| 16:38.27 | icjs | jcbjoe, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ shows a copyright of 2004/06 |
| 16:38.37 | jcbjoe | tremon: do you know any resources or better documentation for aptiude when it comes to searching .. i actually looked at the manpage and it said refernce the manual |
| 16:38.44 | icjs | are you sure that is relevant for the version you are using? |
| 16:38.48 | jcbjoe | ok let me look at that link icjs |
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| 16:39.45 | icjs | jelly, i'm amazing such a "simple" method worked, thats what good about linux i guess. |
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| 16:40.42 | jelly | jcbjoe: install aptitude-doc and look at file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ |
| 16:40.48 | icjs | jcbjoe, start with the official one http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/pr01.en.html |
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| 16:41.38 | tremon | icjs: be aware that if you recreate the partitions and use rsync, you must reinstall your bootloader and double-check all fs uuid's in /etc/fstab |
| 16:41.56 | icjs | jcbjoe, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
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| 16:42.27 | alechk0 | hey guys |
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| 16:42.44 | nprice | I am having issues with php5 segfaulting under very specific circumstances, and there are no newer versions in backports for stable - is there an easy way to "backport" the version in testing to see if it is affected by the same issue |
| 16:42.45 | alechk0 | could anyone help me figure out how to get latest glib package? |
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| 16:43.07 | icjs | tremon, ok. i was just curious. i installed wheezy from scratch on my ssd already. |
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| 16:43.33 | jhutchins | nprice: It's unlikely to be an issue with PHP itself, it's been stable for years. It's more likely the PHP code you're running is doing somethiing wrong. |
| 16:43.41 | OnionNet | is there a command line tool that will trigger a command when the mouse pointer is at a certain position? |
| 16:43.43 | alechk0 | I'm with squeeze, and trying to install latest version of darkroom, I need the > 2.30 version of glib, while latest for squeeze is 2.24 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libglib2.0-0 |
| 16:43.46 | jhutchins | nprice: (Could be a hardware problem, but you say it's PHP...) |
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| 16:44.14 | jhutchins | ,versions glibc |
| 16:44.15 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in i386. |
| 16:44.18 | jhutchins | ,versions glib |
| 16:44.19 | judd | No package named 'glib' was found in i386. |
| 16:44.20 | somiaj | alechk0: you should consider upgrading to wheezy, it would probabaly be easier than backporting the packages you need |
| 16:44.29 | icjs | nprice, also suhosin has been deprecated in wheezy php, if you php.ini is still references it it may be the cause of problems? |
| 16:44.35 | alechk0 | meh, afraid of lots of broken stuff |
| 16:44.56 | somiaj | ,v libglib2.0-0 |
| 16:44.57 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-0 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.24.2-1; wheezy: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-5; jessie: 2.36.4-1; sid: 2.36.4-1; experimental: 2.37.7-1 |
| 16:45.05 | alechk0 | yep |
| 16:45.07 | alechk0 | 2.24 |
| 16:45.09 | jhutchins | ,versions glibc-2 |
| 16:45.10 | judd | No package named 'glibc-2' was found in i386. |
| 16:45.16 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
| 16:45.19 | nprice | jhutchins: it is an issue with php itself if php is segfaulting |
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| 16:45.33 | somiaj | alechk0: well squeeze will only be supported for another 6 months. And the effort to install/backport might be worth upgrading, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:45.43 | jhutchins | SO no backports. |
| 16:45.44 | nprice | jhutchins: it is a very specific circumstance and i have found a bug reference in php.net that seems to be the issue |
| 16:45.46 | somiaj | alechk0: do you have lots of non debian software installed? And how is it installed |
| 16:45.59 | ragnul | what's the best way to track down which font it is that is making fontconfig segfault? |
| 16:46.01 | nprice | icjs: yeah suhosin is disabled completely |
| 16:46.08 | jhutchins | nprice: No, it's not, or thousands of web sites would be crashing all over the world (and they're not). |
| 16:46.26 | ragnul | I can't find any font names in the backtrace... |
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| 16:46.26 | nprice | jhutchins: so php never has bugs and never crashes |
| 16:46.46 | icjs | nprice, are you using an extensions? might be worth commenting each one out one by one until you find a culrpit? |
| 16:46.46 | jhutchins | nprice: Generally no, not the stable releases. |
| 16:46.57 | alechk0 | mm, I think I can test upgrading on my laptop, got there squeeze also, I've installed both desktop and laptop within pretty close timeframe... |
| 16:47.02 | alechk0 | ok, will try tha |
| 16:47.05 | alechk0 | *that |
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| 16:47.08 | alechk0 | thanx |
| 16:47.09 | jhutchins | nprice: php CODE on the other hand ... |
| 16:47.18 | nprice | jhutchins: php code does not cause php to segfault |
| 16:47.24 | nprice | jhutchins: php code causes php to throw errors |
| 16:47.39 | nprice | jhutchins: it's a known memory allocation bug in the php5-sybase module |
| 16:47.52 | jase21 | Is there any way to know user account creation time in debian? |
| 16:47.55 | somiaj | alechk0: make sure you read /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy and the realease notes. The upgrade is possible but you have to be a little careful on how you upgrade |
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| 16:48.32 | alechk0 | yea, will just go for it... laptop could be messed up with no worries... |
| 16:48.38 | nprice | jhutchins: i am simply trying to find a way to *easily* try a slightly more modern version of the php5 packages without upgrading the entire system to testing |
| 16:49.09 | jelly | nprice: set up a testing chroot then, and run stuff in there |
| 16:49.13 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 16:49.13 | jelly | !debootstrap |
| 16:49.14 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 16:49.22 | nprice | jelly: i'll check that out |
| 16:49.27 | nprice | jelly: good idea |
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| 16:50.02 | encrypto | ? |
| 16:50.05 | nprice | jhutchins: and before you start talking about how PHP doesn't crash, you might want to have a look at ALL the open bugs here that cause segfaults - https://bugs.php.net/search.php?boolean=0&limit=30&order_by=id&direction=DESC&cmd=display&status=Open&bug_age=0&bug_updated=0&bug_type=All&phpver=5.4 |
| 16:50.39 | jhutchins | nprice: I've been running a dozen or so php based web sites for years, never had a segfault. |
| 16:51.02 | jhutchins | nprice: I conclude that php is stable if correctly coded. |
| 16:51.04 | nprice | jhutchins: this is the first time i've ever seen it myself in well over 10 years |
| 16:51.18 | nprice | jhutchins: you don't seem to comprehend the fact that php should NEVER segfault no matter what code you give it |
| 16:51.36 | jhutchins | nprice: Mine doesn't. |
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| 16:51.50 | nprice | jhutchins: glad to hear that :) |
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| 16:52.11 | nprice | jhutchins: are you using the sybase functions in PHP? i doubt it |
| 16:52.14 | Big_Aziz | всем ку |
| 16:52.14 | jhutchins | nprice: I would also expect older, patched versions to be more stable and reliable than bleeding edge versions with lots of new bugs. |
| 16:52.24 | Big_Aziz | sorri |
| 16:52.25 | jcbjoe | anyone like the aptitude gui ? |
| 16:52.31 | jelly | looks at dozens of apache2 mod_php5-caused segfaults in the logs, and says nothing |
| 16:52.51 | nprice | jelly: mine crashes as CLI or CGI :P |
| 16:53.19 | jelly | nprice: you're making it do evil things like connecting to MS SQL, aintcha |
| 16:53.25 | nprice | yeah :( |
| 16:54.07 | jhutchins | Kinda like a LAMP system, like maybe Drupal? |
| 16:54.16 | nprice | not exactly :) |
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| 16:54.20 | jelly | blames freetds and the moon phase |
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| 16:54.47 | nprice | jelly: now that PgSQL has writable foreign data wrappers, I'm thinking of just letting PgSQL do the MSSQL abstraction and querying PgSQL itself :P |
| 16:55.12 | jelly | nprice: yes. More layers of indirection are bound to help! |
| 16:55.28 | jelly | promised himself to be less sarcastic |
| 16:55.30 | nprice | it blows my mind that i can open PgSQL and have it join a MySQL table to a MSSQL table by simply writing PgSQL queries |
| 16:55.47 | nprice | i wonder how buggy *that* is |
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| 16:57.50 | nprice | jhutchins: this is for an inventory/item/customer/order sync between a C#.NET ERP/CRM backend app running on Windows/MSSQL and a webstore on PHP/MySQL |
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| 16:58.47 | nprice | i am thinking I might just write a Win32 client and a SOAP service instead of having the website interact directly with the MSSQL database |
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| 16:59.09 | jhutchins | nprice: Is this for internal use or do you intend to distribute it? |
| 16:59.34 | jelly | nprice: that sounds saner and less prone to security issues |
| 16:59.56 | nprice | well, it was for internal use initially with intent to distribute, but we've found that this backend software is TERRIBLE and I would feel bad if my software helped someone choose to purchase this backend package |
| 17:00.31 | naibed | I boot debian from usb but all that I see is black screen and flashing _ |
| 17:00.32 | nprice | jelly: maybe i will use pgsql foreign data wrappers on both sides and have a SOAP service connect them |
| 17:00.35 | nprice | lol |
| 17:00.37 | jelly | nprice: basically, assume MSSQL/Oracle/whatever proprietary db is buggy and can be exploited fully with access to its listener service |
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| 17:00.54 | jhutchins | nprice: Keep in mind that a lot of businesses are going to want to run it on RHEL5 then. |
| 17:01.10 | jhutchins | nprice: Best if it works with older versions of PHP. |
| 17:01.33 | nprice | jhutchins: well, as i said, i've changed my mind about distributing this, simply for moral reasons :P |
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| 17:01.53 | nprice | if i can save one person from licensing this backend crm/erp/etc software, it will be worth it |
| 17:02.03 | nprice | heh |
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| 17:02.29 | nprice | jelly: i have access to its listener locked down pretty well but yeah |
| 17:02.38 | naibed | now it also plays sound when I press keyboard |
| 17:03.18 | ExeciN | Currently my disk has my boot partition, my root partition and my swap partition. Is there a way while in debian to shrink my root partition and then move my swap partition back, right next to the root partition again? |
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| 17:04.25 | mtn | ExeciN: no. use a live disk and gparted |
| 17:04.41 | mtn | ExeciN: and have backups, of course |
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| 17:05.29 | ragnul | freetds can always be blamed, regardless of the moon |
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| 17:06.50 | naibed | when booting debian from usb stick all I see is black screen WHY |
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| 17:07.43 | ExeciN | I have some minor trouble when it comes to booting to a liveCD |
| 17:08.20 | jhutchins | naibed: Lots of possible reasons. |
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| 17:08.40 | ExeciN | I must use rEFInd and its not completely bug-free |
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| 17:08.43 | jhutchins | naibed: turn off "quiet". Look for messages before the black screen. Press ESC before it comes up. |
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| 17:09.33 | jhutchins | naibed: Checksum the ISO and the device to make sure the image is valid and complete. Make sure you have the right architecture. Try booting to single user mode to see if it's a Graphics adapter problem. |
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| 17:13.20 | doedl | moin |
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| 17:15.16 | doedl | what to do with colord-sane bug? |
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| 17:15.58 | doedl | by wheezy come cpu to 100% |
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| 17:21.07 | BostonMA1776 | Suppose I use debian package manager to install freeglut. Where would I point the linker to find the lib files. |
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| 17:26.27 | jhutchins | BostonMA1776: WOuld dpkg -L freeglut answer your question? |
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| 17:27.02 | BostonMA1776 | jhutchins: I am not on my debian machine right now. I am not sure. |
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| 17:27.55 | BostonMA1776 | What does dpkg do? |
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| 17:28.47 | musca | it handles debian packages |
| 17:28.51 | jhutchins | dpkg is the root of the package management system. Apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic are interfaces to it. dpkg -L will list the files installed by the package (and where they are). |
| 17:28.52 | dpkg | jhutchins: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:29.07 | jhutchins | !botsnack |
| 17:29.07 | dpkg | thanks, jhutchins |
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| 17:29.42 | BostonMA1776 | Thanks, I will remember this for when I get on my computer at home. Thank you. |
| 17:29.47 | onethfour | what is the debian equivalent to # yum install v8 v8-devel |
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| 17:32.02 | naibed | why sudo rm -r * deletes everything not only current directory |
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| 17:33.44 | Benkinooby | hi, what's your default display manager? |
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| 17:34.09 | naibed | X11 |
| 17:34.12 | dondelelcaro | naibed: it will delete everything in the current directory |
| 17:34.27 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: in Debian, it can be whatever you want. Usually gdm or xdm. |
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| 17:34.48 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro: would you recommend lightdm? |
| 17:34.56 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: I've personally never used it |
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| 17:35.34 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: I use xdm myself. But lightdm sounds reasonable. [It's just more heavy-weight than xdm.] |
| 17:35.55 | dondelelcaro | rarely sees his dm, so generally just wants it out of the way |
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| 17:36.24 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro: i experienced some trouble with permissions (don't remember exactly) when using other desktop managers that gdm - does something come to your mind, why it was so |
| 17:36.48 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro: atm i use gdm to get into fluxbox - i guess fluxbox is lighter than gdm :P |
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| 17:37.04 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: you'd have to be more specific than that |
| 17:37.07 | onethfour | does anyone know how to get v8? |
| 17:37.36 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: it's possible that some other DM weren't starting dbus or something else in the session that fluxbox expected but didn't start itself |
| 17:37.40 | dondelelcaro | onethfour: version 8 of what? |
| 17:37.41 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro: well, i'll install xdm and see if'll come across problems. can you think of any pit falls with xdm? |
| 17:37.53 | onethfour | dondelelcaro, v8 is a javascript engine |
| 17:37.56 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: not off the top of my head, but I've been using it for far to long, so... |
| 17:38.16 | dondelelcaro | onethfour: it's libv8 |
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| 17:38.16 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro: ok, maybe the dbus thing was the cause... |
| 17:38.19 | Benkinooby | installs xdm |
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| 17:38.37 | onethfour | E: Unable to locate package libv8 |
| 17:38.38 | GNU\colossus | it's really annoing that the numerous patches for mutt that enable SSL cipher selection didn't make it in the upstream or debian release |
| 17:38.49 | onethfour | i'm on wheezy |
| 17:38.53 | onethfour | do i have to do anything crazy? |
| 17:38.58 | dondelelcaro | onethfour: apt-cache search libv8; |
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| 17:39.19 | onethfour | oh neat, thanks |
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| 17:39.52 | onethfour | wish i knew about apt-cache search sooner |
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| 17:40.05 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro: brb (reboot, just to be 100% sure) |
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| 17:42.15 | BostonMA1776 | If I create a debian ISO using a dvd and burn this file debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso from this link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ should everything work? I have a amd64 processor. Do I need to download these files also debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso.contents ; debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso.log ; debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso.packages ; debian-live-7.0.0-a |
| 17:42.16 | BostonMA1776 | md64-kde-desktop.iso.zsync . If I do need them, do I need to put them on seperate cd/dvd's or do I include them on the same DVD? |
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| 17:46.54 | dondelelcaro | BostonMA1776: no, just that first iso is needed. |
| 17:47.09 | dondelelcaro | BostonMA1776: if you have a reasonable network connection, you could also get by with just a netinst disk |
| 17:47.46 | BostonMA1776 | dundelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 17:48.07 | BostonMA1776 | dendelelcaro: I think my internet connection is shaky. But I will look into it anyway. |
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| 18:03.26 | Benkinooby | wow - so much for brb |
| 18:03.27 | Benkinooby | -.- |
| 18:03.45 | onethfour | after i add something to /pgdg.list how do i get it to install |
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| 18:04.35 | onethfour | isnt there a way to refresh apt-get or something? |
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| 18:05.16 | sklav | hi question regarding lsi raid cards i know its not debian specific but i figured i would ask since im not getting information elsewhere |
| 18:05.18 | rustyrazorblade | apt-get update? |
| 18:05.30 | Kunda | onethfour, apt-get update |
| 18:05.46 | sklav | when i see Disk Cache Policy : Disk's Default |
| 18:05.47 | Kunda | onethfour, apt-get upgrade (to implement those updates) |
| 18:05.56 | sklav | does that mean i am not using the raid cards cache? |
| 18:06.31 | onethfour | so both commands? |
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| 18:06.57 | onethfour | i dont think upgrade is a good idea |
| 18:07.31 | Kunda | onethfour, just apt-get update |
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| 18:08.08 | onethfour | that seems to work thank you |
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| 18:09.17 | jcbjoe | does anyone use the i3-wm ? |
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| 18:10.54 | babilen | jcbjoe: No, it is a horrible successor to wmii and there are better alternatives. Nobody uses i3 because of that. |
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| 18:11.40 | jcbjoe | hmm babilen never looked into any others .. babilen what wm do you use ? |
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| 18:13.15 | babilen | jcbjoe: awesomewm (it's okay) - but you might have a real question about i3 that you might want to ask rather than finding people using that window manager?! Note that i3 also has its own channel (#i3 on irc.twice-irc.de) |
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| 18:13.57 | jcbjoe | yes babilen im on that channel right now but nobody has said anything since 8:23am |
| 18:14.08 | babilen | okay, fair enough |
| 18:14.52 | babilen | jcbjoe: As I said: It is typically a much better idea to ask your real question rather than asking if anyone uses some program. (unless that is your real question) :) |
| 18:15.48 | Benkinooby | is that person that discussed xdm with me still here - forgot the name :( |
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| 18:16.47 | jcbjoe | lol |
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| 18:17.07 | jcbjoe | babilen: looking to see how to get a powermangemnt applet / icon or something for i3-wm .. right now im always on full bright mode |
| 18:17.11 | babilen | Benkinooby: Yes, but you can just as the channel (it was don) |
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| 18:19.46 | Benkinooby | babilen: argh - i had in mind it started with o or u :P |
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| 18:20.54 | Benkinooby | babilen: just wanted to report back my findings... if he'll see my messages. |
| 18:21.04 | abrotman | Benkinooby: ended with an o? :) |
| 18:21.27 | nonconvergent | xmonad over here, my tiling brethren. |
| 18:21.43 | nonconvergent | :P |
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| 18:22.22 | somiaj | jcbjoe: did you look at xosview? |
| 18:22.39 | somiaj | jcbjoe: though I guess it only shows you the batery life, doesn't really manage the power you need something else for that |
| 18:22.42 | jcbjoe | haven't looked |
| 18:22.50 | babilen | jcbjoe: Doubt there is one specifically for i3 - You can, naturally, run one of the *-power-managers (xfce4-power-manager, ...) but that is a pretty full-on solution. There are certainly many battery applets or software that could be used for that and probably ways to set your brightness. fwiw, setting the brightness is typically done via specific keys on your keyboard that trigger acpi events not via specialised software. brightness might also ... |
| 18:22.56 | babilen | ... be exposed in /sys or /proc (See, for example, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/LCD_Brightness for some thinkpad specific information) |
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| 18:23.30 | jcbjoe | thanks |
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| 18:26.12 | cybrNaut | are there any CLI apps to create accounts on web forums? |
| 18:26.17 | nonconvergent | there's powertop |
| 18:26.26 | Benkinooby | so when using startx - made sure to |
| 18:26.32 | Benkinooby | exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session startfluxbox |
| 18:26.48 | jordanm | cybrNaut: curl? |
| 18:27.00 | Benkinooby | that gives me console kit - anything other to look out for when not using a display manager, or a minimal one like xdm? |
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| 18:27.29 | cybrNaut | jordanm: that's what I had in mind... but it would have to be a collaborative effort. cURL still needs to be told what to do |
| 18:27.39 | nonconvergent | That sounds suspicious to me. Like a budding spammer. |
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| 18:28.33 | babilen | Benkinooby: that might not actually get you a working console-kit setup ; There were a couple of bugs that I remember, but let me look into that for a second. |
| 18:28.34 | cybrNaut | jordanm: I would be willing to perhaps create auto-registration for some sites, if the app had a community library of other sites |
| 18:28.39 | cybrNaut | something that progresses |
| 18:28.46 | babilen | Benkinooby: Are you using that right now? |
| 18:29.11 | Benkinooby | babilen: yea. i had lightdm, killed it off from an other virutal terminal and then did startx |
| 18:29.30 | babilen | Benkinooby: Mind running "ck-list-sessions" and pasting the result to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 18:29.33 | Benkinooby | babilen: so now i am in fluxbox - and everything seems to work |
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| 18:30.20 | Benkinooby | !paste |
| 18:30.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:30.24 | babilen | Benkinooby: Do you have libpam-ck-connector installed? (dpkg -l libpam-ck-connector) |
| 18:30.33 | babilen | Benkinooby: I just mentioned that website ;) |
| 18:31.16 | Benkinooby | babilen: libpam* is already installed |
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| 18:31.36 | Benkinooby | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/39023/ |
| 18:31.55 | babilen | Benkinooby: fwiw, I am referring to #597937 |
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| 18:32.52 | babilen | Benkinooby: Yeah, and you are experiencing exactly that problem: You have "is-local = FALSE" in there. |
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| 18:33.29 | Benkinooby | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/597937/ does not work |
| 18:33.36 | Benkinooby | or did i misudnerstand you |
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| 18:34.08 | babilen | Benkinooby: I am referring to the bug report #597937 (you can see them on bugs.debian.org) |
| 18:34.13 | babilen | judd: bug #597937 |
| 18:34.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/597937 in consolekit (open, moreinfo): «consolekit: ck-launch-session doesn't set an active/local session anymore (when run as unprivileged user)»; severity: important; opened: 2010-09-24; last modified: 2013-01-04. |
| 18:34.31 | Benkinooby | oh :( |
| 18:34.41 | Benkinooby | babilen: then better stick with lightdm |
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| 18:35.34 | babilen | Benkinooby: Specific things might not work due to that. This is a complex issue and I am not entirely sure what the situation in wheezy is and I was under the impression that libpam-ck-connector solved the "double session" (one of which not "local") issue. |
| 18:35.58 | Benkinooby | babilen: well i have it installed - so i guess no |
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| 18:36.06 | babilen | Benkinooby: I am simply mentioning this because it might effect tools such as network-manager and everything that relies on correct console-kit session setups. |
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| 18:36.20 | babilen | Benkinooby: One second please. |
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| 18:36.42 | Benkinooby | babilen: yes, that were the problems i experiecned a long time ago, before i used gdm (to get things to work) |
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| 18:38.42 | babilen | Benkinooby: do you still? |
| 18:38.46 | babilen | (i mean now) |
| 18:39.40 | Benkinooby | babilen: my ubs-wifo dongle works - but this might me a |
| 18:39.48 | Benkinooby | "leftover" from lightdm |
| 18:39.59 | Benkinooby | which i had running before |
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| 18:40.30 | Benkinooby | currently ligthdm is the default manager, i killed it, and then startx |
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| 18:40.43 | babilen | Benkinooby: Well, give it a try. This is a complex situation and I simply noted it as "essentially have to use a display manager such as gdm3, kdm or lightdm", but I haven't investigated the situation in detail in 1-2 years. |
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| 18:41.48 | Benkinooby | babilen: well, last time i "investigated" i reverted to gdm :P - but it's good to know what it's not my "fault" |
| 18:42.10 | babilen | Just wanted to point it out -- fwiw, if you use libpam-ck-connector you might have a working consolekit session setup already once you log into the system. |
| 18:42.24 | babilen | (so that you don't necessarily have to start another) |
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| 18:43.39 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok - so in that case the trouble should be gone? |
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| 18:44.14 | Benkinooby | babilen: other question - it seems like it is not possible to select the session (fluxbox, lxde, gnome, ...) in xdm - is that correct? |
| 18:44.21 | Benkinooby | babilen: hm, i could try slim |
| 18:44.30 | babilen | Benkinooby: What you want is *one* session that is both local and active. that might be hard to achieve due to bugs in consolekit and display managers ... |
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| 18:44.41 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 18:44.45 | babilen | Benkinooby: No, don't try slim. Slim is *definitely* broken and horrible. |
| 18:45.10 | Benkinooby | babilen: thank you - just saved me some time and nerves (again) ;) |
| 18:45.28 | Benkinooby | babilen: so my practical choice is: gdm, kdm, lightdm |
| 18:45.31 | babilen | Benkinooby: Haven't used xdm in a decade (I just use gdm3 and get on with my life, my laptop certainly is powerful enough, well ... every system should be) |
| 18:45.41 | babilen | Benkinooby: gdm3 not gdm |
| 18:45.47 | Benkinooby | babilen: yeah |
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| 18:46.01 | ompaul | kdm is nice ime but that's just a different one |
| 18:46.19 | ompaul | but the $dm is only a path to the DE |
| 18:46.26 | babilen | yeah, either of kdm, gdm3 or lightdm should be more than fine. |
| 18:46.31 | Benkinooby | babilen: well... my main (and only) system is a lenovo t43p - i run it @ 800 MHz (because heat!) with 1 GB ram and 50GB hdd (only use 30 though) |
| 18:46.44 | Benkinooby | babilen: that's why i make such a fuzz :D |
| 18:46.51 | Benkinooby | otherwise i would care less |
| 18:47.06 | ompaul | Benkinooby: so you should consider getting one with a few more legs - even a second hand $laptop |
| 18:47.16 | babilen | sure, I understand (nice laptop btw, sad its not the t42 which was *the best*) |
| 18:48.29 | Benkinooby | ompaul: i'm on it but until then i'll use the laptop for advanced linux masochism |
| 18:48.47 | babilen | Benkinooby: Your .xsession + startx way *should* work, but the situation is unfortunately a bit more complex and you should think "consolekit" as soon as you run into problems whenever you try to acquire elevated privileges. One thing to check is the behaviour without the "ck-launch-session" in your ~/.xsession .. |
| 18:49.32 | Benkinooby | babilen: that laptop was my second system (until i broke my main system) and was used as private server... only small stuff for toying around... but i'll go for a lenovo again |
| 18:49.33 | ompaul | Benkinooby: seems to me you choose the path, and if the executable is there great if not seems to be too much work ime |
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| 18:50.41 | ompaul | Benkinooby: one of the reasons debian works well in work environments is that it essentially takes care of the basic stuff - you don't have to do huge deltas from the base install to make it work |
| 18:50.50 | Benkinooby | ompaul: well, one part is for sure "fun " - otherwise i just would have stayed with gdm. just wanted to know if i am more lucky this try |
| 18:51.16 | Benkinooby | yes |
| 18:51.21 | ompaul | Benkinooby: even king canute couldn't stop the tide :) |
| 18:51.43 | Benkinooby | :D |
| 18:52.08 | Benkinooby | babilen: "should" - if there weren't those bugs? |
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| 18:52.55 | Benkinooby | babilen: well - i'll disable lightdm, and as soons as trouble arise i'll use it. until then i use startx |
| 18:53.17 | babilen | Benkinooby: yeah, exactly |
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| 18:53.36 | Benkinooby | babilen: but i wonder why non of the sessions is active in the output i posted? |
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| 18:53.53 | Benkinooby | shouldnt at least ONE be active? |
| 18:54.09 | ompaul | ps awux | grep X |
| 18:54.13 | ompaul | see what;s ging on |
| 18:54.18 | babilen | Benkinooby: Give it a try without the "ck-launch-session" and check if having libpam-ck-connector alone is enough to make it fly. It could be that the first (is-local = TRUE) session is initiated by that. |
| 18:55.07 | Benkinooby | babilen: jsut in case i can't get my internet to work while i try - how can i see if that connector works? |
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| 18:55.23 | babilen | run ck-list-sessions and compare the output |
| 18:55.46 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 18:55.56 | babilen | Benkinooby: You want both "active = TRUE" and "is-local = TRUE" in there. |
| 18:56.04 | Benkinooby | babilen: comments in .xinitrc are done with # as ususall? |
| 18:56.09 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 18:56.15 | babilen | And you shouldn't use .xinitrc but .xsession |
| 18:56.39 | babilen | dpkg: .xinitrc |
| 18:56.39 | dpkg | The optional customisation script ~/.xinitrc is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1). |
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| 19:00.59 | Benkinooby | babilen: sorry, afk for a sec |
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| 19:04.56 | zykotick9 | babilen: (via dpkg) hummm, i've never used .xsession before, good to know thanks. |
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| 19:06.49 | naibed | the live debian boot menu has Live (486) and Live (686-pae) what are they and which one should I select? |
| 19:06.54 | Benkinooby | babilen: um... what version is xinit in that man page (at the very bottom) |
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| 19:08.16 | Benkinooby | babilen: i can't find that hint in the man pages... |
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| 19:08.24 | Benkinooby | babilen: even looked online |
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| 19:10.45 | somiaj | naibed: pick the 686-pae on modern hardware, 486 will work on any hardware 486 or better, 686-pae needs 686 hardware for the kernel and the pae allows for more than 4gigs of memeory |
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| 19:13.45 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok, what i foudn is that you can linke xseesion to xinit - it's a ubuntu thing though |
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| 19:15.30 | Benkinooby | i jsut see that Xdefaults is now replaced by Xressources... |
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| 19:17.09 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok, i'll stop here and get at it again an other time. i learned a lot - thank you |
| 19:17.13 | uplink | I have an virtualized Debian under VirualBox. There are preinstalled guest-additions in Synaptics, but the shared copy and paste wont work. |
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| 19:17.53 | Benkinooby | babilen: until then, I use *dm |
| 19:18.11 | uplink | If I install the guest additions by virtual cd this works, but it warns me at installation time, that there are guest additions already installed |
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| 19:19.03 | mumpitze1 | uplink: the guest additions from debian and from your virtalbox version are of different versions most probably. which is why it doesn't work. the right way is to uninstall the debian guest additions and only use them from the CD/ISO |
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| 19:21.45 | uplink | mumpitze1: Thanks, the guest additions from Synaptics are: 4.1.18; from the CD they are: 4.2.18 |
| 19:21.49 | Benkinooby | babilen: hm, using the xstart some fonts got uglier... |
| 19:22.15 | uplink | mumpitze1: But the installer warns me, that the installed additions are newer. This is probably a bug? |
| 19:22.50 | mumpitze1 | the installer from the ISO? |
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| 19:23.05 | mumpitze1 | that can't be |
| 19:23.16 | uplink | mumpitze1: It's a pitty that the guest additions are not available via repository |
| 19:23.33 | uplink | mumpitze1: Yes, the ones from the ISO are 4.2.18 |
| 19:24.06 | uplink | mumpitze1: Via repository an automatic update would be possible |
| 19:24.23 | mumpitze1 | yes, the ISO ones are therefore newer |
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| 19:25.04 | uplink | OK, so on every VirtualBox update I have to renew the guest additions on any guest...., right? |
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| 19:27.50 | mumpitze1 | uplink: only if it doesn't work anymore |
| 19:28.56 | uplink | mumpitze1: So there are no negative effects if I use an older version |
| 19:29.30 | uplink | mumpitze1: Last question: May I install newer versions over older versions of the guest additions? |
| 19:29.31 | mumpitze1 | you use the NEWER version. < uplink> mumpitze1: Thanks, the guest additions from Synaptics are: 4.1.18; from the CD they are: 4.2.18 |
| 19:29.40 | mumpitze1 | the iso has 4.2.x as you yourself wrote above |
| 19:29.54 | uplink | Yes |
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| 19:30.44 | uplink | mumpitze1: I ask because I wont update the guest additions every time I update VirtualBox |
| 19:31.37 | uplink | mumpitze1: Seems to be OK, but maybe I miss some security issues...but thats the game^^ |
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| 19:32.13 | uplink | Either security or comfort |
| 19:32.42 | uplink | mumpitze1: Thanks for the fast and helpfull answer |
| 19:33.43 | onethfour | how do i do this on debian: yum install automake autoconf gcc gcc-c++ make |
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| 19:34.09 | Brigo | onethfour: apt-get install automake autoconf gcc gcc-c++ make |
| 19:34.10 | mumpitze1 | !tell onethfour about build-essential |
| 19:34.18 | mumpitze1 | !tell onethfour about grounding |
| 19:35.54 | onethfour | E: Unable to locate package gcc-c+ |
| 19:36.11 | Vicissitude | take out the - there |
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| 19:36.30 | onethfour | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'gccc+' |
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| 19:37.17 | Improv | If I know what I'm doing (rebuilt a package) and want to install a package that depends on a variant of that package without shifting variants, how do I tell apt-get to ignore prereqs and install anyhow? |
| 19:37.37 | Vicissitude | onethfour, you might try sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:37.58 | kingsley | Why would dpkg say "flashplugin-nonfree" is installed, but after upgrading Iceweasel, its Tools->Plugins doesn't list flash, and hulu.com says "Hulu requires Flash Player 10.1.53.64 or higher. Please download and install the latest version of Flash Player before continuing"? |
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| 19:38.24 | onethfour | Vicissitude, i did that already |
| 19:38.43 | onethfour | i'm trying to run "make" on plv8js |
| 19:38.49 | onethfour | but its giving me a bunch of compiler errors |
| 19:38.53 | onethfour | i'm guessing i need to upgrade |
| 19:39.19 | mumpitze1 | !tell onethfour about errors |
| 19:39.23 | jordanm | kingsley: try running update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:39.46 | jordanm | or just install google-chrome, which comes with flash |
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| 19:41.00 | onethfour | mumpitze1, https://gist.github.com/6542788 |
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| 19:43.17 | mumpitze1 | onethfour: use a different gcc |
| 19:43.24 | rryoumaa | how do i make aptitude search not truncate columns? do i have to give it a special format string? |
| 19:44.11 | onethfour | mumpitze1, how do i upgrade my gcc? |
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| 19:45.29 | kdub | if pbuilder-satisfydepends complains that my 'control directory' has bad permissions, what does that mean? |
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| 19:46.18 | mumpitze1 | onethfour: apt-cache search gcc |grep gcc debian has usually more than one gcc flavour. and you can install them side by side |
| 19:46.38 | kingsley | jordanm: I like your suggestion of running update-flashplugin-nonfree. I've actually already tried it with the "--install" option, which reported "failed to extract Flash Player version from http://get2.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=KFHNI at get-upstream-version.pl line 69", which, I suppose, may be a different bug. Running it with the "--status" option reported "Flash Player version installed on this system :", but with no version, an |
| 19:46.38 | kingsley | d the previous "failed to extract" error. I seem to recall avoiding the "failed to extract" error some months ago by deleting a proxy configured in "/etc/apt/apt.conf", but this time it didn't work. What do you think? |
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| 19:48.25 | jordanm | kingsley: it's not using apt for the downloading, so that wouldn't apply |
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| 19:50.06 | jordanm | kingsley: the web page it's hitting has probably changed. its... parsing HTML with regex |
| 19:50.37 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.47 | jordanm | that's and interesting snippet from the code... |
| 19:51.47 | onethfour | mumpitze1, it looks like 4.7 is the latest, ring a bell? |
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| 19:52.12 | onethfour | apparently not: gcc-4.7 is already the newest version. <-- |
| 19:53.12 | onethfour | so mumpitze1, it seems i have the latest on the list, any idea why its not compiling |
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| 19:55.05 | jhutchins | onethfour: Nothing in your pastbin has anything to do with compiler versions - or versions of anything else for that matter. |
| 19:55.52 | onethfour | jhulst, ok now what? thanks for looking by the way |
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| 19:57.24 | jhutchins | onethfour: Where did you get the source? Does it contain a README file? Does it have an INSTALL file? |
| 19:57.25 | kingsley | jordanm: Thank you very much for your informed and detailed thoughts. I'm happy to report that "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" ran successfully. |
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| 19:58.38 | onethfour | jhutchins, one sec, i am trying to use this library instead https://github.com/fdr/plv8-static-debian |
| 19:58.45 | onethfour | which compiled fine |
| 19:58.51 | kingsley | jordanm: Unfortunately, Iceweasel and hulu.com still say "Hulu requires Flash Player 10.1.53.64 or higher. Please download and install the latest version of Flash Player before continuing", and at the risk of appearing rude, I need to go for a few minutes. However, with a little luck, I'll be back soon. |
| 19:59.14 | onethfour | kingsley, hulu is a total waste of time.... |
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| 20:00.02 | mumpitze1 | onethfour: either check what this d8 command means and also maybe downgrade the gcc version. it might want an earler C/C++ which isn't so strict |
| 20:00.44 | onethfour | dawg!!! i swtiched to https://github.com/fdr/plv8-static-debian and now it works!!! |
| 20:00.47 | onethfour | sweeet |
| 20:01.03 | jhutchins | I think perhaps reading the installation requirements/procedures for plv8 would be more productive than blind version chasing when it doesn't even report a version problem (as decent code would if that were the problem). |
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| 20:01.11 | kingsley | jordanm: Success! Iceweasel->Tools->Plugins->activate->Kingsley is back in the land of 1000 happy dances. |
| 20:01.13 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins: e.g. line 5 |
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| 20:01.51 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: Much more indicative of a code type mismatch than a version problem. |
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| 20:02.28 | onethfour | does Debian ever start with an uppercase "D" |
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| 20:03.40 | jhutchins | onethfour: Often, but by tradition everything in Linux is lowercase and we grow lazy... |
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| 20:04.04 | onethfour | just wondering for docs |
| 20:04.36 | jhutchins | kingsley: That _shoul_ happen automatically, you might want to send the maintainer a note - he's VERY responsive. |
| 20:04.47 | jhutchins | s/shoul/should/ |
| 20:05.47 | magnulu | I have trouble connecting to deb-multimedia.org.. "could not connect passive socket" |
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| 20:09.39 | Benkinooby | babilen: sorry to bother you again - may this be related to the consolekit/startx probblem/bug |
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| 20:09.45 | Benkinooby | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=136533 |
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| 20:11.39 | jhutchins | magnulu: Using what to connect? |
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| 20:12.08 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Are you actually using arch? |
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| 20:13.32 | magnulu | jhutchins: apt-get update :-) |
| 20:13.59 | tremon | magnulu: using ftp? |
| 20:14.13 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: no. even now i am in ubuntu. i just discussed a with him a problem (messed up permisssions after startx) and this is some kind of follow up. it's a shot in the dark from my side, and maybe the link is worthless... but i made the experience that Arch is a pretty good source for solutions, even in ubunut/debian |
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| 20:14.22 | tremon | (i.e. ftp://deb.multimedia.org) |
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| 20:15.10 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Ok, that's just exactly the kind of problem where the solution for Arch and the solution for Ubuntu could be completely different. |
| 20:15.31 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: ouch :( - didn't know that |
| 20:15.37 | maxyz | magnulu: Do you really need deb-multimedia.org ? |
| 20:15.46 | DammitJim | how can I generate a kernel log message? |
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| 20:15.53 | jhutchins | magnulu: Can you paste the whole line from your sources.list (or pastebin the file)? |
| 20:15.54 | DammitJim | I am testing that kernel messages are sent to another server |
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| 20:16.22 | tremon | DammitJim: why "kernel log messages" specifically? |
| 20:16.36 | jhutchins | DammitJim: There's "logger". |
| 20:16.43 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: anyway, babilen mentioned several things that are also mentioned in that thread |
| 20:16.54 | DammitJim | that's what I added kern.* @my.server.com |
| 20:17.01 | DammitJim | no particular reason, tremon |
| 20:17.11 | DammitJim | jhutchins, what about logger? |
| 20:17.12 | magnulu | maxyz: that is not the question :-) |
| 20:17.31 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Method of generating syslog/rsyslog entries. |
| 20:17.35 | tremon | ok, then use e.g. logger -p kernel.debug |
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| 20:17.44 | DammitJim | oh cool |
| 20:17.46 | magnulu | jhutchins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098662/ |
| 20:17.56 | tremon | err, probably kern.debug of course |
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| 20:18.50 | tremon | DammitJim: I was asking because testing a log line with specific class/severity is easy. Actually getting the kernel to produce log messages is harder, and probably involves messing with kernel variables |
| 20:19.05 | DammitJim | tru, tremon |
| 20:19.13 | onethfour | i thought uuid-ossp is supposed to be automatically installed but i'm getting a ERROR: could not open extension control file "/usr/share/postgresql/9.3/extension/uuid-ossp.control": No such file or directory |
| 20:19.28 | maxyz | magnulu: Sure, but lots of the things that were only available in deb-multimedia are now available in the archive. Thus my question. |
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| 20:20.03 | DammitJim | logger System rebooted for hard disk upgrade |
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| 20:20.11 | DammitJim | what is that considered? info? |
| 20:20.17 | jhutchins | magnulu: I see on the site that he uses http for "squeeze" (backports) and ftp for "oldstable". I'd go with the http configuration on that page, just cut and paste. |
| 20:20.29 | DammitJim | Sep 12 16:20:18 server1t root: System rebooted for hard disk upgrade |
| 20:20.41 | DammitJim | that's what it put on the messages log |
| 20:21.32 | tremon | DammitJim: see man logger for the default priority |
| 20:21.33 | magnulu | jhutchins: ok.. I'll try |
| 20:21.35 | jhutchins | sees onethfour googling "postgresql uuid-ossp"... |
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| 20:21.46 | onethfour | apt-get install postgresql-contrib-9.3 <-- this fixed it, thanks |
| 20:22.04 | magnulu | maxyz: actually, I don't remember why I added it, but it is not that long ago.. maybe for some xbmc-stuff.. |
| 20:22.11 | DammitJim | weird, it's saying that the logger command will not work on remote syslog server, but just localhost |
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| 20:23.02 | jhutchins | Christien's packages are excellent, he made Debian a viable desktop choice for many users for many years. |
| 20:23.46 | babilen | Benkinooby: Yes, I mentioned libpam-ck-connector before and it, naturally, boils down to sensible configuration and installing the right versions. I wouldn't tinker with those settings though as it is easy to get it wrong and put the system in a state in which it will be hard to maintain in one, two or, say, ten years. |
| 20:24.12 | uplink | mumpitze1: Topic: VirtualBox. http://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-debian/ In this tutorial it is said that I should first install "build-essential" and "module-assistant" and then prepare my kernel by "m-a prepare". For what reason is this needed? |
| 20:24.45 | nprice | jhutchins: looks like upgrading to php5.5 fixed my issue from earlier :) It required a new major apache release that broke a bunch of my old configs, so i just migrated to lighttpd - now everything is working properly and my site's response times have dropped considerably :D |
| 20:25.00 | Benkinooby | babilen: yeh - that problem jsut somehow got my interest. this looks promising https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/483130 |
| 20:25.22 | jhutchins | nprice: Well great. Sometimes a new version does fix things. |
| 20:26.05 | nprice | jhutchins: I suppose that's why they release them :P Ended up having to replace a couple instances of preg_replace /e being deprecated in my app, but no big deal :D |
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| 20:27.42 | babilen | Benkinooby: Please note that the situation is different in wheezy and in newer Debian development releases .. but yeah, read all you want if you are interested :) |
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| 20:29.09 | Benkinooby | babilen: well... no use reading/learning outdated stuff... if i have to struggle to understand something, i at least want to understand up to date/relevant stuff ;) |
| 20:29.21 | GNU\colossus | ok, I have a VERY weird problem on Debian with postfix, dspam, dovecot and strace here involving setresgid() - any ideas, anyone? -> http://paste.debian.net/plainh/75cf98af |
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| 20:33.55 | tremon | GNU\colossus: the one difference between strace $bin and exec $bin is the spawning of a sub-process. Have you tried just $bin instead of strace $bin |
| 20:33.57 | tremon | ? |
| 20:34.18 | tremon | I mean $bin instead of exec $bin |
| 20:34.18 | GNU\colossus | tremon, yup, I have. no change. |
| 20:34.33 | GNU\colossus | I even tried wrapping `sh -c $bin` around all that stuff |
| 20:34.35 | GNU\colossus | instead of strace |
| 20:34.55 | tremon | can't you strace strace to see what it's doing? ;) |
| 20:35.13 | GNU\colossus | I'm afraid that the outermost strace would be doing whatever it's doing to make things work ;) |
| 20:35.26 | GNU\colossus | (if it's doing something to make it work, that is) |
| 20:35.45 | mumpitze1 | uplink: it's not needed anymore. m-a is obsolete, it's all dkms now. you still need build-essential and the kerneal headers of the running kernel. the reason is, you need to compile a kernel module (which is what the guest additions are) |
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| 20:36.01 | mumpitze1 | !tell uplink about dkms |
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| 20:39.16 | uplink | mumpitze1: And I need to install build-essential or will it be automatically installed if I install the guest additions by ISO? |
| 20:40.12 | tremon | according to the error, dovecot-lda runs as your user but it's trying to switch back to running as dspam. Have you asked on a dovecot channel, and how is your dovecot/dspam set up? |
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| 20:41.07 | tremon | GNU\colossus: are there any setresguid calls in the strace output? |
| 20:42.32 | GNU\colossus | tremon, no. which also startles me. |
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| 20:43.31 | mumpitze1 | uplink: you will need to install it yourself afaik |
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| 20:45.14 | uplink | mumpitze1: OK, good to know, I guess most people try to install without installing build-essential before. |
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| 20:47.08 | tremon | GNU\colossus: I'd start by asking on a dovecot list. Can you share the relevant part of doveconf? |
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| 20:48.13 | GNU\colossus | tremon, that would the relevant part be? :) there's no special config taking place, afaict. |
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| 20:50.23 | morsik | hello there. |
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| 20:50.40 | morsik | i'm virutalizing ovh server. i installed debian kernel, but i can't boot it (i'm using KVM) |
| 20:50.57 | morsik | i'm just getting: Loading Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 ... unaligned pointer 0x91fc0002 Aborted. Press any key to exit. |
| 20:51.04 | morsik | no idea wtf O.o |
| 20:51.16 | tremon | GNU\colossus: not sure, I was hoping for a clear section on uid's but there's no such thing. Maybe doveconf |grep '[gu]id' |
| 20:51.21 | morsik | vm has 4 cores, and 4G of ram |
| 20:51.27 | morsik | and i used grub2 |
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| 20:52.27 | GNU\colossus | tremon, well, postifx spawns my LDA, and only dspam is setgid to group dspam. postfix manages spawning its LDA child process as the local user mail belongs/is being delivered to |
| 20:52.38 | GNU\colossus | so I don't think dovecot's config has much say in this regard |
| 20:53.04 | GNU\colossus | anyway, your command produces this output on my host: http://paste.debian.net/plain/39097 |
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| 20:58.38 | tremon | that's about identical to my setup (and output is similar too), except I'm delivering directly to the dspam daemon socket |
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| 21:00.40 | tremon | can't be of any more help here, I guess. You may want to ask in ##linux about why setresgid fails, it's definitely odd |
| 21:01.28 | valgrind | sup |
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| 21:06.06 | GNU\colossus | tremon, how exactly do you use dspam in your setup? |
| 21:07.36 | uplink | What is the best solution for a block based file sharing service (like smb on windows) on debian - with compatibility to Windows. I used AFS for some time at my university, but the Windows implementation of the client is bad. Sorry for talking partly about Windows in this channel. I also heard about the "new" streaming techniques. Do Owncloud or others give this possibility? |
| 21:08.38 | uplink | My goal is to combine this with an already working VPN server running in debian, to access my files, and even watch movies without copying them before. |
| 21:09.18 | tremon | GNU\colossus: I have dspam running as daemon, with ServerDomainSocketPath "/run/dspam/dspam.sock" and DeliveryHost /run/dovecot/lmtp, and postfix set up with mailbox_transport = ds-deliver:unix:/run/dspam/dspam.sock |
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| 21:10.10 | GNU\colossus | uplink, block-based? look into iscsi. (smb isn't block-based, at least not in common incarnations) |
| 21:10.18 | GNU\colossus | tremon, hmm, and that works for delivering to local users? |
| 21:10.31 | GNU\colossus | tremon, can you maybe share your dovcot lmptd setup? |
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| 21:11.18 | uplink | GNU\colossus: Maybe I used the wrong phrase. I mean a protocol, that in difference to i.e. FTP allows block based transmission of parts of a file. |
| 21:11.31 | tremon | ds-deliver is a regular lmtp master process. Yes it works, iirc dspam uses the mailto-address for delivery and determining which database id to use/update |
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| 21:11.53 | uplink | GNU\colossus: This results in a faster starting of a movie etc. over such an connection. I will google about iscsi |
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| 21:11.59 | h1nd | hello. I would like to add some IPTABLE lines to my config, so they are loaded even after a reboot. How can I do that? Where are the iptable rules stored? |
| 21:12.34 | shardz | Is there a way to turn on suspend with lid close in wheezy that works all the time? (ie, not only when running XFCE). |
| 21:12.38 | GNU\colossus | h1nd, apt-cache show iptables-persistent |
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| 21:12.56 | GNU\colossus | shardz, reconfigure acpid's action-shellscript-thingie to do that |
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| 21:13.25 | shardz | I thought debian no longer used acpid? I guess I was wrong. |
| 21:13.27 | elektryk91 | Hi, I'm new to debian and I have a question. I want to set a smtp server to handle sending mails from other server. What is the easiest way to achieve that? Could someone help me please? |
| 21:13.41 | GNU\colossus | colo@zealot:~ $ pgrep -lf acpid |
| 21:13.41 | GNU\colossus | 2505 /usr/sbin/acpid |
| 21:13.46 | GNU\colossus | fresh wheezy install with xfce |
| 21:14.14 | GNU\colossus | elektryk91, ssmtp, nullmailer. needs a proper relay server with SMTP auth. |
| 21:14.17 | GNU\colossus | doesn't queue. |
| 21:14.18 | h1nd | GNU\colossus: I have bastille-firewall in use, the config is under /etc/Bastille-firewall Is it possible that it conflicts somehow with that? I am not sure, because I think this firewall is also using iptables? It's an ISPCONFIG installation |
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| 21:15.00 | GNU\colossus | h1nd, probably conflicts, yeah. I have zero knowledge of "Bastille-firewall" and/or "ISPCONFIG". |
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| 21:15.49 | uplink | GNU\colossus: Wow, iSCSI seems to be exactly what I am looking for. Thank you |
| 21:16.07 | tremon | GNU\colossus: the lmtp config really isn't exciting: http://paste.debian.net/39110/ |
| 21:16.14 | GNU\colossus | don't thank me until after you've (successfully) set up an initiator and a target |
| 21:16.39 | GNU\colossus | tremon, thanks. I tried migrating to lmpt (from dovecot-lda/deliver) yesterday, and it was so much pain I eventually gave up |
| 21:17.09 | elektryk91 | GNU\colossus: I tried to use ssmtp, I configured it this way: http://pastebin.com/Zye47F20 but I get an error: Cannot open mail:25 :/ |
| 21:17.29 | jhutchins | uplink: To be clear, iscsi requires special hardware. |
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| 21:17.35 | tremon | yes, I remember dspam being not particularly helpful. I don't really remember how much trial and error was involved, but I'm always hesitant to review/change my mail setup |
| 21:17.41 | GNU\colossus | elektryk91, well, there's no host names "mail" reachable from your box that would accept mail to relay to its destination |
| 21:17.53 | h1nd | GNU\colossus: what about a "iptables-save > /root/my-iptables.save && vi /etc/rc.local" and appending the line "/sbin/iptables-restore < /root/my-iptables.save" ? will that work, too? |
| 21:18.00 | h1nd | or isn't that a good idea? |
| 21:18.01 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, not true. it's standard TCP, and there's more than one faif software implementation available |
| 21:18.18 | GNU\colossus | h1nd, will work, but will probably interfere woth that Bastille thing |
| 21:18.20 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Oh, yeah, sort of emulation. |
| 21:18.31 | tremon | I've had very little issues setting up dovecot though, or so I seem to remember |
| 21:18.58 | jhutchins | More conventional file shareing protocols are NFS and CIFS/Samba which will work with Windows clients as well. |
| 21:19.01 | h1nd | GNU\colossus: so why do a get the same output with "bastille-netfilter status" and "iptables -L" ? |
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| 21:19.06 | uplink | jhutchins: Oh, this is bad. I am only running a standard server in a VirtualBox and want to migrate this box to a real machine without special hardware |
| 21:19.18 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: You wouldn't have a link to a discussion of software iscsi would you? |
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| 21:19.25 | elektryk91 | GNU\colossus: Yes, you have right. I didn't know what put in this line. What I should put there? |
| 21:19.28 | GNU\colossus | h1nd, because bastille's probably just a wrapper around iptables and netfilter |
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| 21:19.46 | h1nd | GNU\colossus: so what do you suggest me to do ? |
| 21:19.48 | GNU\colossus | elektryk91, the dns-hostname of your mail relay. maybe your ISP provides such a thing. |
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| 21:20.03 | GNU\colossus | h1nd, learn how to configure "Bastille" the way you need it to be configured |
| 21:20.24 | h1nd | Bastille has only one config file under /etc/Bastille/bastille-firewall.cfg |
| 21:20.25 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, not really, no, sorry. check out open-iscsi - I just set it up once again today at work. |
| 21:20.36 | GNU\colossus | it's a pain, because iscsi is a shitty standard |
| 21:20.43 | GNU\colossus | but if you need to have it, it gets the job done |
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| 21:22.37 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Yeah, didn't realize they were that far along with the target software. |
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| 21:22.53 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Can you serve a folder, or does it have to be a device? |
| 21:23.34 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, the initiator always gets a block device. the target may have the backend for that set up as a proper blockdev, or a regular file in the filesystem. |
| 21:25.02 | elektryk91 | GNU\colossus: Why I can't do that work? I don;t want to make it on my PC. I have a server machine A with Wordpress which generates mails and send it to server B via SMTP. Server B is my another server machine with SMTP server I now want to setup and this machine should send mails to users. No receiving mails. Just sending it. |
| 21:25.43 | tremon | jhutchins: http://vinfrastructure.it/en/vdesign/vstorage-software-vs-hardware-iscsi/ is worth scanning, not sure what kind of discussion you're looking for |
| 21:25.44 | GNU\colossus | yeah, so configure ssmtp on server A that it has server B as its mailhub |
| 21:26.03 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Interesting, and given that target's only implemented since 3.1 not surprized I didn't know we were there yet. |
| 21:26.05 | GNU\colossus | make sure server B's MTA is configured that only server A (and other whitelisted hosts) can relay mail over it |
| 21:26.11 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: I don't know as I'd trust it. |
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| 21:27.45 | elektryk91 | Server A works fine because it was sending mails to amazon smtp server fine. But that Amazon server is blocked by one Polish mail provider. So I want to send mails now to my another server: B. The question is how I should configure server B to do it work? |
| 21:28.22 | giuscri | Hi! Is there anyone that is willing to help me with my notebook? I can't use the ethernet cable."It" says: `Wired: Unmanaged`. Any idea? Thank you |
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| 21:30.26 | elektryk91 | GNU\colossus: ^ |
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| 21:31.12 | jhutchins | giuscri: How did you get to where you are now? |
| 21:31.32 | goose | Is it possible for user A to chown their own file to user B without using sudo/root? |
| 21:31.33 | GNU\colossus | elektryk91, that depends on what MTA handles mail on server B. you should ask in the appropiate channel for that program/software. |
| 21:31.41 | giuscri | jhutchins: By a wireless connection |
| 21:32.09 | GNU\colossus | giuscri, you probably just need "allow-hotplug eth0" or some such thing in /etc/network/interfaces iirc |
| 21:32.50 | elektryk91 | GNU\colossus: I have a root acces on this server so I can install whatever i want :D |
| 21:33.12 | uplink | GNU\colossus: Which iSCSI server tutorial do you prefer, or do you recommend another one? http://www.howtoforge.com/using-iscsi-on-debian-lenny-initiator-and-target http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/iSCSI |
| 21:33.30 | GNU\colossus | howtoforge is junk |
| 21:33.40 | GNU\colossus | generally speaking |
| 21:33.44 | uplink | OK |
| 21:33.49 | GNU\colossus | also, lenny is everything but up to date. |
| 21:33.55 | uplink | I know |
| 21:34.04 | uplink | but Ubuntu only builds on debian |
| 21:34.06 | giuscri | GNU\colossus: Mhn ...`allow-hotplug` returns `command not found`. I'm having a look to /etc/network/interfaces now. |
| 21:34.21 | GNU\colossus | giuscri, that's not a command, but a statement to be included in that file |
| 21:34.23 | uplink | GNU\colossus: I was never shure if I can use the tutorials 1:1 |
| 21:34.50 | GNU\colossus | uplink, for packages from multiverse and universe, you probably can |
| 21:35.19 | giuscri | GNU\colossus: Ah, ok. Just seen that. Yet I have that in /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 21:35.22 | GNU\colossus | giuscri, alternatively, you could probably just comment all the lines in that file that mention your ethernet interface |
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| 21:36.04 | uplink | GNU\colossus: OK, I really like the ubuntuwiki...but debian^^ I'll try the setup now... |
| 21:36.06 | giuscri | GNU\colossus: Mhn. Once I have done that, what should I do? Logout? |
| 21:36.29 | GNU\colossus | giuscri, you'll probably have to restart networkmanager for that to become active |
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| 21:38.20 | giuscri | GNU\colossus: Ok. How can I restart network manager? By typing `/etc/init.d/network restart`? |
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| 21:39.03 | SilverSlimer | hey guys |
| 21:39.11 | SilverSlimer | there are certain programs i'd like to remove from debian |
| 21:39.14 | SilverSlimer | iceweasel for one |
| 21:39.22 | GNU\colossus | giuscri, nope. I honestly don't know. |
| 21:39.29 | SilverSlimer | but if i remove it, gnome apparently is attached to it |
| 21:39.38 | SilverSlimer | how do i prevent other applications from being removed as well? |
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| 21:40.03 | giuscri | GNU\colossus: Ok, thank you anyway. If I find a solution in few seconds I will make you aware of that. |
| 21:40.41 | mtn | giuscri: it is /etc/init.d/network-manager |
| 21:40.57 | mtn | giuscri: and then restart, of course |
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| 21:43.25 | giuscri_ | mtn: Any other idea? |
| 21:43.36 | mtn | giuscri_: about? |
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| 21:54.20 | giuscri | mtn: Hi man. I've restarted Network-manager |
| 21:54.43 | jhutchins | giuscri: And? Is the wired interface managed now? |
| 21:54.44 | giuscri | mtn: +but nothing has been solved, unluckly. |
| 21:55.07 | jhutchins | !interfaces |
| 21:55.07 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 21:55.27 | jhutchins | giuscri: Have you checked that file to make sure it's not controlling the interface? |
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| 21:57.59 | giuscri | jhutchins: Oops. Maybe I could comment another line. I'm going to restart Network-manager again. |
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| 21:59.27 | goose | Using vim, I want to run a search and replace on a visual block. How can I restrict my :%s/item/replacement/g to just the visually highlighted block? |
| 21:59.56 | abrotman | you can specify a set of line numbers |
| 21:59.56 | GNU\colossus | mark the block, hit : after that |
| 22:00.02 | GNU\colossus | and enter your replace command there |
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| 22:00.32 | uplink | GNU\colossus: I have installed and configured the iSCSI target. The server starts without errors. netstat shows me the listening server, but I can't establish a connection. What may I check? Where does the service log? |
| 22:00.51 | GNU\colossus | uplink, probably syslog() - I don't know off-hand |
| 22:01.01 | jhutchins | gives up on giuscri and goes for a beer. |
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| 22:01.10 | goose | GNU\colossus: that only worked for the first line of the visual block, not the rest of it |
| 22:01.41 | giuscri_1 | Ok, guys. Now I'm connected using the ethernet cable, thanks. But just only one question: why I had to comment those lines? What's wrong with them? |
| 22:01.56 | goose | Oh, disregard, PEBKAC |
| 22:01.58 | mtn | giuscri_1: network manager won't work with them in that file |
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| 22:02.24 | uplink | GNU\colossus: "ietd: unable to connect (Connection refused) 2!" connect to what? |
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| 22:03.20 | giuscri_1 | mtn: That's something, then, that could be considered as a bug? |
| 22:03.41 | naibed | please help I install debian with 20mb mini cd and when I download files it suddenly stops after file 257 as if there is no network connection |
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| 22:04.48 | tpayne | when my system boots, i want to run a script, where should I stick these? |
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| 22:05.02 | mniip | if you use sysvinit, init.d |
| 22:05.18 | mniip | /etc/init.d |
| 22:05.19 | tpayne | i don't use syvinit, but i do have the scripts in init.d |
| 22:05.21 | musca | naibed: there is a log on tty4 |
| 22:05.36 | mniip | tpayne, what then, upstart? |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tpayne about run at startup |
| 22:05.41 | tpayne | i put the command inside of /etc/rc.local |
| 22:06.04 | tpayne | but when i reboot and check, they haven't executed. Could it be because it's trying to execute using root? |
| 22:06.43 | naibed | musca: wget -q http://ftp.availo.se/debian/dists/stable/Release -o - | grep -E and wget: bad address 'ftp.availo.se' |
| 22:07.57 | mniip | tpayne, we've got no idea, it's your commands |
| 22:08.11 | mniip | it's up to you to know if they have anti-root protection |
| 22:08.14 | tpayne | is it usually the case where root runs all of this stuff? |
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| 22:08.31 | tpayne | because if so, i'll change the perms to root, right now it's my user which doesn't make any sense |
| 22:08.43 | tpayne | let me just try it |
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| 22:08.58 | mniip | just make sure it has |1 |
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| 22:09.20 | tpayne | |1 ? |
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| 22:09.33 | mniip | least significant bit is set |
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| 22:09.47 | tpayne | oh, yeah i did chmod a+x on it |
| 22:09.50 | samuel_ | hello guys |
| 22:09.57 | mniip | aka S_IXOTH |
| 22:10.00 | naibed | I tried 3 mirrors and every time wget: bad address |
| 22:10.09 | mniip | hi samuel_ |
| 22:10.38 | samuel | anyone know what package to install for get-launch? |
| 22:10.38 | samuel | gst* |
| 22:11.05 | mniip | samuel, tried google? |
| 22:11.23 | samuel | yeah, but I keep getting rygel-gst-launch |
| 22:11.25 | samuel | thats not it |
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| 22:13.40 | stack | hello, does anyone has got problems with pulseaudio when pulgging in headphones ? I get no sound at all, I tryied changing conf from pavucontrol with no success.. |
| 22:14.02 | stack | that probably happened after purging and reinstalling pulseaudio |
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| 22:15.37 | musca | samuel: apt-file might help you , but i doubt that get-launch is in debian. |
| 22:16.04 | samuel | musca: thanks, why do you doubt it? |
| 22:16.16 | musca | i searched |
| 22:16.31 | samuel | oh |
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| 22:26.23 | uplink | Bye |
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| 22:31.50 | crised | Hey guys, How to implement a syslog receiver, receiving inputs from many embedded linux devices? |
| 22:31.58 | crised | Can each device have an id or something? |
| 22:32.03 | abrotman | have you tried this yet? |
| 22:32.31 | crised | abrotman: of course, not I'm trying to find out how to do it |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | have you googled anything yet? |
| 22:32.58 | crised | but of course |
| 22:33.00 | crised | reading wikipedia |
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| 22:33.39 | virusuy | crised: do you mean a syslog server |
| 22:33.58 | crised | virusuy: correct |
| 22:34.06 | virusuy | syslog-ng all the way |
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| 22:34.26 | abrotman | crised: google "remote syslog debian" .. you sohuld get tons of hits |
| 22:34.30 | crised | virusuy: is it paid? |
| 22:34.33 | virusuy | you can configure separated folders for each device |
| 22:34.34 | abrotman | no |
| 22:34.47 | virusuy | crised: there are two versions, one paid, one opern source |
| 22:34.50 | virusuy | open* |
| 22:35.05 | virusuy | but the open version it's really cool |
| 22:35.12 | virusuy | and basically does what you need |
| 22:35.25 | virusuy | and, obviously, it's on debian's repositories |
| 22:35.40 | crised | awesoem |
| 22:35.48 | crised | I'm using a device that has angstrom linux |
| 22:35.54 | crised | Is angstrom related to debian? |
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| 22:36.41 | abrotman | crised: no |
| 22:36.43 | virusuy | never heard of angstrom linux before |
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| 22:37.04 | crised | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ |
| 22:37.20 | crised | virusuy: How do you prevent that an idiot starts logging whatever they like? |
| 22:37.29 | crised | in a special syslog server |
| 22:37.44 | virusuy | crised: you must configure your syslog client first |
| 22:38.06 | virusuy | and that's where you can set up which service/program can/can't log |
| 22:38.08 | crised | virusuy: can you put user & password |
| 22:38.16 | crised | I mean, how do you avoid attacks |
| 22:38.22 | crised | it's an open udp port |
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| 22:38.36 | virusuy | crised: you must configure both sides, client and server |
| 22:38.45 | virusuy | server side : configure from wich IP address you accept logs |
| 22:38.48 | nightfly | uses ssl for ldap |
| 22:38.51 | virusuy | and a tons of others options |
| 22:38.54 | nightfly | er syslog... |
| 22:38.59 | crised | virusuy: but I can't do that |
| 22:39.03 | crised | it's dynamic ip |
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| 22:39.14 | virusuy | oh, thats a little bit tricky then |
| 22:39.23 | crised | virusuy: how tricky? |
| 22:39.39 | nightfly | Is it over the internet or just an open lan? |
| 22:39.42 | crised | virusuy: How can I authenticate client, if it's not based on ip |
| 22:39.49 | crised | oover the internet, gprs nightfly |
| 22:40.09 | virusuy | syslog over inet ? |
| 22:40.19 | crised | virusuy: ? |
| 22:40.32 | virusuy | lets clarify this |
| 22:40.36 | virusuy | your client will be in your lan ? |
| 22:40.44 | crised | virusuy: absolutely no |
| 22:40.47 | virusuy | so |
| 22:40.49 | nightfly | Either VPN or SSL'd syslog |
| 22:40.58 | virusuy | you'll send those logs over internet ? |
| 22:41.04 | crised | virusuy: YES |
| 22:41.07 | virusuy | nightfly: yeap, without doubt |
| 22:41.13 | crised | nightfly: do you mean client certificate SSL? |
| 22:41.35 | virusuy | crised: send that information over internet without VPN or SSL it's REALLY insecure |
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| 22:41.50 | crised | virusuy: I don't mind the data being sniffed |
| 22:42.01 | virusuy | sure ? |
| 22:42.02 | crised | nightfly: client cert SSL or just server cer? |
| 22:42.12 | crised | virusuy: no |
| 22:42.13 | crised | lol |
| 22:42.19 | virusuy | lol |
| 22:42.20 | nightfly | I require client certs to be signed with a ca |
| 22:42.24 | crised | because they might sniff paswords |
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| 22:43.03 | virusuy | crised: yeap, |
| 22:43.26 | crised | How much is a client cert? |
| 22:43.34 | crised | same as a server cert? |
| 22:43.35 | abrotman | crised: what OS will the server run? |
| 22:43.45 | crised | abrotman: I don't know, CentOS maybe |
| 22:43.46 | nightfly | crised: self signed |
| 22:43.55 | nightfly | so free |
| 22:44.12 | crised | nightfly: but you told me that you require CA |
| 22:44.13 | abrotman | crised: please take this elsewhere, this channel is for Debian support |
| 22:44.27 | nightfly | yes, the syslog server has a self-signed ca cert |
| 22:44.30 | abrotman | crised: and none of the systems involved are Debian or even Debian-based |
| 22:44.34 | crised | abrotman: well, then use Debian |
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| 22:44.59 | abrotman | crised: not amused, take it to the correct support channel, either the one for your Angstrom, or maybe #centos or even ##linux |
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| 23:05.19 | jhutchins | tpayne: I would suggest that you put the scripts in /usr/local and call them with full path from rc.local. They will be run as root. |
| 23:05.31 | tpayne | ok thank you |
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| 23:48.20 | ExeciN | If I use debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install wheezy, how much would the downloaded data would be? |
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| 23:48.58 | ExeciN | (the second "would" was not really needed) |
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| 23:52.25 | abrotman | ExeciN: depends what else you install |
| 23:53.03 | phix | ExeciN: the base is about 100 or so Mb |
| 23:53.23 | naibed | how do I get amd hd6800 work in debian? I have free driver but gnome 3 doesn't work and only opengl 2.1 |
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| 23:55.35 | abrotman | naibed: does fglrx support it ? |
| 23:55.36 | phix | ExeciN: I am just using debootstrap to simulate a base / minimal install, it took up 246Mb |
| 23:56.22 | naibed | radeonhd |
| 23:57.10 | naibed | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) |
| 23:57.12 | naibed | OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.5 |
| 23:57.21 | phix | ExeciN: and that installed the following packages (plus their dependencies) --> ifupdown locales libui-dialog-perl dialog isc-dhcp-client netbase net-tools iproute openssh-server |
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| 23:57.47 | themill | ExeciN: if you just select "standard" in the tasksel stage, then the answer is "nothing". If you select more, then it will be downloaded. |
| 23:58.49 | phix | naibed: the easiest way is to throw the radeon in the bin and purchase an NVIDIA like you should of done to begin with :P the drivers are alot better / stabiler. Then again AMD is spending alot of time developing their drivers as when they bought ATI they were really buggy |
| 23:58.56 | ExeciN | phix, themill: thanks |
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