| 00:00.42 | Brigo | yes gnu 2.0 |
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| 00:03.25 | leoleo11 | Brigo: how do i install it? ive download it |
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| 00:04.55 | Brigo | leoleo11: uncompress and compile first. |
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| 00:05.59 | leoleo11 | Brigo: how do i uncompress it from terminal? its in my Downloads folder |
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| 00:07.57 | nkuttler | ,v twin |
| 00:07.58 | judd | No package named 'twin' was found in i386. |
| 00:08.25 | nkuttler | leoleo11: uh, sarge, that's ancient, you shouldn't use that |
| 00:08.42 | Brigo | leoleo11: paste here the full name of the file, please. |
| 00:09.07 | leoleo11 | Brigo: twin-0.6.2.tar.gz |
| 00:09.20 | Brigo | so, tar vzf twin-0.6.2.tar.gz |
| 00:09.21 | leoleo11 | nkuttler: yeah, thats why im installing from source |
| 00:09.40 | Brigo | no |
| 00:09.44 | Brigo | so, tar xzf twin-0.6.2.tar.gz |
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| 00:10.05 | leoleo11 | done |
| 00:10.06 | Brigo | x extract, z gzip (.gz) f file |
| 00:10.23 | nkuttler | leoleo11: the project looks dead. you shouldn't use it unless you know what to do |
| 00:10.25 | Brigo | go into the new dir created. |
| 00:11.25 | leoleo11 | Brigo: how do i know where the dir creaqted is at? |
| 00:11.34 | leoleo11 | the file was in Downloads |
| 00:11.39 | Brigo | there, should be a readme archive explaining how to compile it. |
| 00:11.41 | leoleo11 | no new folder |
| 00:12.14 | Brigo | leoleo11: in the thirectory where the file are. |
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| 00:12.29 | Brigo | s/thirectory/dir |
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| 00:13.05 | leoleo11 | what? |
| 00:13.10 | Brigo | :-) |
| 00:13.18 | leoleo11 | cant find a new directory |
| 00:13.36 | Brigo | in the same dir that the file twin-0.6.2.tar.gz is. :-) |
| 00:13.58 | Brigo | leoleo11: sorry, my english is very poor, i know it :-) |
| 00:14.15 | leoleo11 | well, im from bolivia so... |
| 00:14.17 | leoleo11 | haha |
| 00:14.38 | Brigo | :-D |
| 00:14.58 | leoleo11 | you mean Downloads? |
| 00:15.12 | leoleo11 | i really do live in Bolivia and im bolivian |
| 00:15.15 | Brigo | i mean where the file twin-0.6.2.tar.gz is |
| 00:15.38 | Brigo | leoleo11: so you can join to debian-es, i am there too. |
| 00:15.53 | leoleo11 | the file is in Downloads but no new folder was created there} |
| 00:16.14 | leoleo11 | im ok with writing in english, it helps me practice it too |
| 00:16.19 | leoleo11 | Thanks |
| 00:16.22 | Brigo | yes, me too. |
| 00:16.32 | leoleo11 | so... no folder was created |
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| 00:16.42 | leoleo11 | at least not in Downloads |
| 00:16.44 | Brigo | the folder was created. |
| 00:16.52 | leoleo11 | but where? |
| 00:17.05 | Brigo | may be in the dir you was when you execute the tar xzf |
| 00:17.30 | jcbbjoe | hi all .. why is it only possible to have only 1 apt-get running at 1 time ? |
| 00:18.03 | noisy | jcbbjoe: there's a lock file that prevents this for ...security reasons, I believe |
| 00:18.34 | leoleo11 | Brigo: hahaha amazing |
| 00:18.39 | leoleo11 | -Satellite-L305D:~# ls |
| 00:18.40 | leoleo11 | twin-0.6.2 |
| 00:18.44 | leoleo11 | its there |
| 00:18.49 | Brigo | with severals apt-get running you can easily broke the dependencies tree. |
| 00:18.55 | leoleo11 | i think its the root folder |
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| 00:19.25 | Brigo | move it if you want, and then go into it and tell me. |
| 00:21.28 | leoleo11 | haha im deleting it but its asking me if i really want to delete every file one by one |
| 00:21.44 | leoleo11 | is there a way to say always yes? |
| 00:21.47 | themill | jcbbjoe: what two operations would you like to have happening at the same time? |
| 00:21.48 | babilen | wonders why leoleo11 is using such an ancient Debian system and wants to install unmaintained software from source |
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| 00:22.30 | leoleo11 | babilen: is there an alternative to have an x-like window manager in terminal? |
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| 00:23.39 | jcbbjoe | themill: i just want to install another package |
| 00:23.39 | noisy | leoleo11: gnu screen? |
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| 00:24.00 | leoleo11 | does it work the same way? |
| 00:24.06 | leoleo11 | i dont want to have x installed |
| 00:24.10 | leoleo11 | its a really old laptop |
| 00:24.19 | babilen | leoleo11: tmux is pretty good |
| 00:24.21 | leoleo11 | noisy: ? |
| 00:24.29 | themill | jcbbjoe: what if that second package also required you remove one of the other packages that is being installed in the first apt run? |
| 00:24.32 | leoleo11 | oh so there are alternatives |
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| 00:24.44 | leoleo11 | that dont need x to manage windows |
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| 00:25.03 | darsie | where are the user crontabs? |
| 00:25.11 | babilen | leoleo11: But then you should still run a supported release such as wheezy (see "/msg dpkg wheezy") rather than an outdated one that exposes you to a million security bugs |
| 00:25.16 | darkapp | how do i do the linux equivalent of an ipcofig in terminal? |
| 00:25.26 | themill | darsie: you manipulate them with crontab -e and crontab -l. |
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| 00:25.43 | themill | is aware that is the answer to a different question |
| 00:25.44 | babilen | darkapp: What does ipcofing do? (on which system do you use "ipcofing" ?) |
| 00:25.49 | jcbbjoe | themill: i don't think so |
| 00:26.01 | darsie | themill: How do I restore old ones? |
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| 00:26.05 | darkapp | shows the ipv4 link subnetmask |
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| 00:26.08 | darkapp | etc |
| 00:26.24 | Brigo | darkapp: ifconfig |
| 00:26.28 | babilen | darkapp: Are you referring to ipconfig ? |
| 00:26.39 | themill | darkapp: they'd be in your backup of /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ then ;) take care with permissions, of course |
| 00:26.45 | darkapp | ya typoed the missing n |
| 00:26.45 | themill | darsie: ^^ |
| 00:27.07 | darkapp | debian:~$ ifconfig |
| 00:27.07 | darkapp | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 00:27.09 | babilen | darkapp: You should be able to use that just fine. It is generally a good idea to use ip though (from iproute2) these days |
| 00:27.28 | themill | jcbbjoe: that's a completely feasible situation to be in and that's why you can only have one apt running at a time |
| 00:27.43 | jcbbjoe | ok |
| 00:27.53 | leoleo11 | i am running the latest debian |
| 00:27.58 | noisy | leoleo11: screen and tmux are terminal multiplexers. They'll let you have multiple terminals at the same time |
| 00:28.08 | babilen | darkapp: That command is not in the standard PATH (it should be IMHO) so you have to either run it as root, add /sbin to your PATH or call it as /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:28.23 | darsie | themill: Hmm, I looked there before, it's empty. strange. |
| 00:28.27 | leoleo11 | which one do you prefer or think is best? |
| 00:28.49 | darkapp | babilen: so sudo ifconfig/sbin ? |
| 00:28.52 | themill | darsie: most system cron jobs are in /etc/cron* |
| 00:28.57 | babilen | leoleo11: Ah, sorry. I was under the impression that you are using sarge for some reason. |
| 00:29.17 | darsie | themill: Yeah, but I'm looking for my old user crontab. |
| 00:29.54 | babilen | darkapp: No, just /sbin/ifconfig, or "/sbin/ip link list" |
| 00:30.14 | babilen | leoleo11: Just install tmux in that case. It is what you are looking for. |
| 00:30.19 | Brigo | leoleo11: i am wondering what do you need twin or tmux or screen for. |
| 00:31.11 | leoleo11 | Brigo: i have an old laptop and i dont want it to run x |
| 00:31.25 | leoleo11 | Brigo: i want to run everything from terminal |
| 00:31.27 | Brigo | leoleo11: but why twin? |
| 00:31.32 | Brigo | or tmux |
| 00:31.39 | leoleo11 | some guy recommended |
| 00:31.42 | leoleo11 | it |
| 00:31.47 | Brigo | ah. ok |
| 00:31.52 | Brigo | so try it. :-) |
| 00:32.03 | leoleo11 | Brigo: because in terminal i cant have many programs opened |
| 00:32.07 | leoleo11 | at once |
| 00:32.19 | leoleo11 | Brigo: i want to install a netinst |
| 00:32.34 | babilen | Brigo: It makes it a bit easier to live with just one terminal; Not that running Xorg should pose a huge problem in itself with a minimal window manager. (fluxbox, awesomewm, ...) |
| 00:32.47 | Brigo | but you can have many virtual consoles, i have 6. |
| 00:33.11 | leoleo11 | Brigo: how do you do that? |
| 00:33.38 | themill | ,bug rm twin |
| 00:33.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/446692 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: twin -- RoQA; RC-buggy, no users, obsolete»; severity: normal; opened: 2007-10-14; last modified: 2008-04-09. |
| 00:33.43 | themill | just for information... |
| 00:33.44 | Brigo | you shoul have some too, you can change them wiht alt+f1, alt+f2, etc. |
| 00:33.52 | babilen | Brigo: It's quite inconvienient. And I've been running Xorg just fine on hardware that I used ten years ago ... I doubt that simply running a simple window manager with some terminal is a problem |
| 00:34.06 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.34 | Brigo | babilen: why inconvienient? |
| 00:34.39 | babilen | darkapp: Most likely not; How do you connect to the internet? |
| 00:34.48 | darkapp | wireles router |
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| 00:35.01 | dvs | -_- |
| 00:35.25 | babilen | darkapp: the router has an external address given to it by your ISP. you want to know that .. there are plenty of websites that display your IP. |
| 00:35.30 | leoleo11 | Brigo: i want to try terminal only too, since its a very old laptop and i want to study terminal commands |
| 00:36.04 | darkapp | babilen: im trying to find my routers web interface |
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| 00:36.29 | babilen | Brigo: If you really don't see that having multiple terminals in a simply (maybe even tiling) window manager is more convenient than working on tty1-tty6 *without* tmux then I don't think I can make you understand. |
| 00:36.43 | babilen | Brigo: Neither do I really care nor think that I should convince you. |
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| 00:36.54 | babilen | s/simply/simple |
| 00:37.05 | leoleo11 | haha |
| 00:37.12 | leoleo11 | dont argue guys |
| 00:37.21 | Brigo | babilen: may be you are right :-) |
| 00:37.54 | babilen | leoleo11: It's fine, just go ahead and install tmux. I still think that you should be able to run Xorg with, say, fluxbox or awesome or ..., but you don't have to. (what kind of hardware are we talking about here?) |
| 00:37.57 | SporkWitch | babilen: yakuake FTW |
| 00:38.06 | babilen | or that |
| 00:38.28 | SporkWitch | just found it a couple weeks ago; i don't know how i lived without it (or tilda or guake, depending on preference) for so long llol |
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| 00:39.16 | SporkWitch | shit, i used to run fluxbox on a 486 with 48MB of RAM; still ran better than WinVista on 4GB and a mid-high GPU |
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| 00:46.08 | Brigo | well i go to sleep. Good night or days, or something :-) |
| 00:47.04 | babilen | o/ |
| 00:47.16 | noisy | Has steam stopped working for anyone lately? It did for me, but was working literally earlier today. |
| 00:47.49 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: How did you get steam to work on Debian? I have tried, but I gave up. |
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| 00:48.17 | noisy | BostonMA1776: are you on testing? |
| 00:48.37 | Brigo | BostonMA1776: i have steam installed, only apt-get install steam, works for me. |
| 00:48.37 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: I am not sure, how do I get which version I am on in console? |
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| 00:49.13 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: Oh... wow it does work I was almost 100% sure I tried that... thanks. |
| 00:49.26 | sacredch1o | HI all, I would love a way to determine assuredly that my Wifi chip is completely shut off and not transmitting any RF from the terminal |
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| 00:50.01 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: I thought it worked... but I got this message: Package steam is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:50.14 | noisy | BostonMA1776: huh. |
| 00:51.27 | noisy | BostonMA1776: you have multiarch set up and everything? |
| 00:52.02 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: no, but here I found out my release: "Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)" |
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| 00:54.33 | leoleo11 | babilen: i see that i have screen preinstalled, im using that, but i cant resize windows |
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| 00:55.20 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: Yes, I just looked it up. I have set up multiarch. |
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| 00:57.01 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: Sorry I am not prepared, I just never thought I would meet someone with experience in installing steam on Debian. |
| 00:57.09 | noisy | BostonMA1776: BostonMA1776: perhaps you need to get rid of the stuff you've tried previously? |
| 00:57.11 | babilen | leoleo11: trust me and start using tmux |
| 00:57.34 | noisy | BostonMA1776: nah, you're fine. I have had a terrible time of this myself |
| 00:57.45 | leoleo11 | babilen: is tmux free software? |
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| 00:57.56 | leoleo11 | i want to keep my computer with free software |
| 00:58.18 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: I am using a 64 bit amd processor. What about you? |
| 00:58.55 | noisy | BostonMA1776: 64bit intel. What happens when you run the steam command again? |
| 01:00.10 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: here is the pastebin of the error message http://pastebin.com/h36hLF09 |
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| 01:01.02 | somiaj | steam is not in debian? Are you sure you are running debian. If you are DO NOT use ubuntu soruces for steam |
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| 01:01.31 | noisy | somiaj: don't worry, I won't make *that* mistake again. |
| 01:01.33 | BostonMA1776 | somiaj: I am using plain debian wheezy release. |
| 01:01.43 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: you won't get steam in wheezy with out a lot of work. (: |
| 01:02.25 | noisy | BostonMA1776: (I'm still trying to open up your pastebin; my proxy is being silly) |
| 01:02.25 | BostonMA1776 | somiaj: I thought wheezy was the standard release. Which one would you recomend for a beginner? |
| 01:02.39 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: Thanks. |
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| 01:02.58 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: wheezy is the stable realse and that is what I would recomend for a beginner. Don't expect to have support for steam in it though |
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| 01:03.12 | somiaj | and I guess i was wrong, there is a steam package in sid non-free now, with tons of warnings about giving away your rights. |
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| 01:03.32 | BostonMA1776 | I hate to give up my rights... |
| 01:03.39 | BostonMA1776 | But I want to play Counter Strike... |
| 01:03.41 | austeregrim | just do it... rights are cheap |
| 01:03.48 | noisy | somiaj: you can also get it through testing, I think |
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| 01:03.59 | austeregrim | jokes. |
| 01:04.13 | somiaj | noisy: sure, but a begininer should not be running either testing or unstable. In which case you won't get steam support in debian |
| 01:04.29 | noisy | BostonMA1776: is switching up to testing worth it for you? At this point, it may be the easiest thing. |
| 01:04.38 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: Does counter strike even have a linux port. I thought you had to use wine and play it that way? |
| 01:04.51 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: Yeah it is worth it. I will do it later though. |
| 01:04.57 | somiaj | noisy: I would not suggest that to someone. They will most likely break their system. (: |
| 01:05.06 | BostonMA1776 | somiaj: Yes it does, they recently ported it to linux. |
| 01:05.30 | noisy | BostonMA1776: I have never seen that particular apt error before. 'Fraid I can't help you with that one. |
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| 01:06.28 | BostonMA1776 | noisy: I can't do it now because I have to do some work on the pc. I will try tomorrow. If I wait should the next few updates add steam automatically? |
| 01:06.31 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: well wheezy will not have support for steam, its libaries are a bit behind what the packages are compiled against. So unless valve actually makes a wheezy package (which I doubt they will) you won't get steam in wheezy |
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| 01:07.05 | BostonMA1776 | Somiaj: Is there a way to switch to testing without reinstalling the whole system? |
| 01:07.08 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: you can upgrade to testing and have to fix all the bugs that come with it. You could run another distro. But debian stable isn't the best way to get steam support right now |
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| 01:07.26 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: you can upgrade to testing via apt. If you have to ask how do I do that, the answer is you shouldn't be running testing. |
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| 01:07.48 | noisy | BostonMA1776: Yes! Testing is not so bad. All you have to do is point your sources at the right place. |
| 01:07.50 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie -- but be prepared to have issues. |
| 01:08.21 | BostonMA1776 | I don't know what to do... |
| 01:08.27 | somiaj | noisy: wait until ther perl issue starts to work its way to testing, or any other core things. I belive a week or so ago testing was fairly broken. |
| 01:09.10 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: if you enjoy learning, fixing things and getting annoyed with bugs go with testing. It may work for you, it may not. |
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| 01:09.26 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: ubuntu is also an option, but you will not get support for that here. |
| 01:09.28 | noisy | somiaj: oh shoot. What perl issue? |
| 01:10.20 | BostonMA1776 | I want to use Debian. I am willing to wait for steam support. If it is ever stable in testing will they add it to stable? How long would you guess that could take? |
| 01:10.31 | somiaj | noisy: over the last few weeks there has been a major perl upgrade, which has been causing a lot of problems with sid boxes and it may start to effect testing. Again these are thigns you should know about if you run testing software. |
| 01:10.48 | somiaj | noisy: I personally dont' know the details, I've avoiding upgrading my sid box to wait for the issue to be fixed (which it may by now) |
| 01:11.04 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: steam will never be in wheezy, and jessie is about 3 years out on its release |
| 01:11.33 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: if the package doesn't get tons of crap for being non-free junk, it may or may not be apart of jessie. But this won't be known until closer to the release. |
| 01:11.39 | babilen | noisy: fwiw, somiaj is referring to the perl 5.18 transition that is currently happening (among a few other transitions) -- See http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 01:12.11 | babilen | (standard procedure, but you have to learn how to deal with these "issues") |
| 01:12.13 | BostonMA1776 | somiaj: Thanks. I may update to testing later then. I need a stable release right now though. I will keep using Debian. |
| 01:12.44 | noisy | thanks for the perl heads-up, babilen and somiaj |
| 01:13.02 | SporkWitch | BostonMA1776: http://johnsquibb.like97.com/blog/read/installing-steam-for-linux-kubuntu-12-04-64-bit the gdebi workaround should work on ANY debian-based distro |
| 01:13.24 | BostonMA1776 | SporkWitch: Thank you. I will try this. |
| 01:13.29 | somiaj | yea following instructions for kubuntu on debian stable could be very bad |
| 01:14.31 | SporkWitch | somiaj: read it over, the only "workaround" is installing gdebi and using gdebi to pull and install the steam.deb |
| 01:14.57 | noisy | SporkWitch: that works for all of steam's dependencies? |
| 01:15.06 | somiaj | SporkWitch: what about the fact that debians core libs that deb depends on are most likely older than the ones on kubuntu? |
| 01:15.36 | somiaj | getting the steam.deb is easy, integrating it with wheezy libs (even if it could run) could be anything from a slight issue to a pita |
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| 01:16.26 | somiaj | recall the steam linux port was released a good amount of time after wheezy was frozen |
| 01:16.34 | BostonMA1776 | SporkWitch: The last step sudo gdebi steam.deb reports this error: gdebi error, file not found: steam.deb |
| 01:16.41 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: it could be possible to get steam working on wheezy, it could just be a lot fo work. (: |
| 01:16.51 | SporkWitch | BostonMA1776: have you downloaded the steam.deb? lol |
| 01:17.02 | SporkWitch | noisy: gdebi pulled down everything it needed |
| 01:17.22 | BostonMA1776 | SporkWitch: No, I will try. |
| 01:17.38 | SporkWitch | somiaj: i'm honestly not sure; based on the output i've observed when doing it before, i don't THINK it should cause an issue, but i honestly haven't tested extensively |
| 01:17.40 | BostonMA1776 | somiaj: I am trying gdebi right now hopefully that works. |
| 01:17.50 | noisy | SporkWitch: no f*&^ing way. |
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| 01:18.36 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: personally if I were to do it, I would use google, which gave me http://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2013/03/06/how-to-easily-install-steam-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 01:18.45 | SporkWitch | noisy: all i did was download steam.deb, install gdebi, run gdebi on steam |
| 01:18.47 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: seems someone built a tool on github to do most the work for you. |
| 01:19.34 | somiaj | https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy -- again trust this as much as any random thing you get off the interwebs |
| 01:19.58 | BostonMA1776 | somiaj: I tried that yesterday. It didn't work. I will try again though. |
| 01:20.19 | somiaj | BostonMA1776: most likely you didn't have the required 32bit libs installed |
| 01:20.26 | noisy | BostonMA1776: I would recommend that you don't frustrate yourself with that. |
| 01:20.29 | SporkWitch | BostonMA1776: to be fair, you didn't notice you'd need the steam.deb file, so maybe you missed something? heh... |
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| 01:20.42 | DoverMo | moo |
| 01:21.30 | SporkWitch | BTW, Boston FTW; best city in the US |
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| 01:22.25 | BostonMA1776 | Yes haha, I thought that... I named it pre terrorist attack too. |
| 01:23.32 | Tynach | Hi, I'm not sure if some .deb files were downloaded by Synaptic properly. How would I best check for corruption? I've run debsums -s, but it doesn't have md5sums files for all the packages, and I'm ignorant enough that I'm not sure if the md5sums are based on the package files to begin with (so maybe if a package downloaded wrong, the debsums file would be wrong too). |
| 01:24.16 | Tynach | Erk, sorry, apt-get, not synaptic. I don't know why I said synaptic. This is from command line. |
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| 01:30.14 | BostonMA1776 | Is there a command I need to input to sudo apt-get nonfree software? I am getting Package 'jockey-common' has no installation candidate and Package 'steam' has no installation candidate I am starting to think it may have to do with that. |
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| 01:31.44 | DMJC | I want to use see, to turn the output of ls into html formatted text, so each file listed has <tag>outputofls</tag> |
| 01:31.51 | DMJC | *sed |
| 01:32.06 | SporkWitch | BostonMA1776: you need to download the steam.deb from steam's site; https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux |
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| 01:33.15 | SporkWitch | BostonMA1776: also https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux#Other_distributions_.2F_manual_installation and https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux#Unpackaged |
| 01:33.38 | BostonMA1776 | Sporkwitch: Thank you |
| 01:33.44 | yngling | can mate be installed on debian? |
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| 01:36.04 | Tynach | yngling, dunno, but Mint has a Debian edition. |
| 01:36.28 | Tynach | I guess nobody knows how to find out if debian packages downloaded wrong? |
| 01:36.46 | Tynach | Reason I ask is because I was doing upgrades... And my hard drive filled up, and oooh the errors that occured. |
| 01:36.49 | babilen | yngling: I'd recommend to either use cinnamon or use a distribution that actually supports MATE. There are packages from the mate project, but you'd lose support from us by using them. |
| 01:37.05 | yngling | Tynach, that's what i'm using now, but i can't use the debian repos |
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| 01:37.19 | Tynach | yngling, why can't you use the Debian repos? |
| 01:37.36 | yngling | babilen, ok, i'll just go with kde i guess. |
| 01:37.47 | Tynach | And, what do the Debian repos have that the Mint Debian repos don't? |
| 01:38.01 | leoleo11 | babilen: is tmux free software? |
| 01:38.21 | yngling | Tynach, lmde is done from a snapshot of wheezy testing, and the mint people say using the debian repos is risky and breaks lmde |
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| 01:38.35 | Tynach | Aah, I see. |
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| 01:38.48 | babilen | leoleo11: sure |
| 01:39.27 | babilen | leoleo11: Read about it by running "apt-cache show tmux" in your terminal and by visiting http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:39.53 | babilen | yngling: that's certainly another option |
| 01:42.38 | leoleo11 | will it be easier than screen? |
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| 01:51.16 | User25 | hi |
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| 01:52.18 | Tynach | Is there even a way to verify downloaded package files, not just the files extracted? |
| 01:52.39 | SporkWitch | Tynach: you'd need a hash for the package file |
| 01:52.59 | Tynach | My computer ran out of disk space while upgrading. |
| 01:53.14 | Tynach | I know the kernel and Flash player were affected, but I've fixed those two. I don't know what else might be affected. |
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| 01:54.56 | SporkWitch | apologies, you're asking something different; i thought you meant verify integrity of files you downloaded |
| 01:55.08 | SporkWitch | you're trying to find what came down and what didn't when you ran out of space? |
| 01:55.33 | Tynach | Yeah. I also want to know if any of the .deb files came down partially, and thus are corrupted. |
| 01:56.22 | Tynach | Also, debsums seems to be missing md5sum files for many popular packages. |
| 01:56.36 | Tynach | Even g++, wine, and php5. |
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| 02:00.05 | SporkWitch | Tynach: honestly don't know mate, i'm sorry :( |
| 02:00.45 | Tynach | SporkWitch, hm, ok. Thanks for the help anyway :) I guess if I find a program misbehaving (like Flash was), I'll just go and see if that's the problem. |
| 02:01.28 | Tynach | Sure is fun running out of disk space on a Linux machine though. There's no warning, no slow-down, nothing. X11 suddenly crashes and won't start back up, nothing in apt works except reading the cache, and you get utterly confused. |
| 02:01.31 | jcbjoe | im looking for new packages on my system right .. i have a guy who is running weechat 0.4 and im running weechat 0.3.8 .. i did a aptitude update && aptitide '~N' and i can't find that verison .. how do i find new versoions of a package ? |
| 02:01.33 | jcbjoe | ~N ? |
| 02:01.33 | apt | it has been said that n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
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| 02:43.31 | tranceNRG | jcbjoe: weechat 0.3.8-1+deb7u1 is the latest version for stable. |
| 02:44.23 | tranceNRG | It's worth noting that the critical security issues have been addressed in that version. I'm guessing security was your motivation for seeking the 4.x version. |
| 02:45.14 | jcbjoe | tranceNRG: not really i just want the new package |
| 02:45.22 | jcbjoe | tranceNRG: is there a reason i dn't have 4.x ? |
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| 02:46.31 | tranceNRG | Assuming you are running debian stable they don't typically update packages to new versions unless there is a compelling (think security) reason to do so. |
| 02:47.11 | jcbjoe | ok newer versions that aren't instable aren't there for security reasons ? if they where then a aptitude ~N would list it correct ? |
| 02:48.04 | tranceNRG | No I'm saying that the packages in a stable release are fairly static. "Sid"/unstable has 0.4.1-2. |
| 02:48.48 | tranceNRG | Most users of stable aren't after the bleeding edge, they want tried and true. |
| 02:48.54 | jcbjoe | tranceNRG: i'm very new sorry for the questions .. im reading http://www.debian.org/releases/ and it says testing has a lot of new packages .. for somebody new is it good to just learn wheezy first then go from there ? |
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| 02:49.56 | tranceNRG | Honestly you might be happier with a more bleeding edge distro; Ubuntu for example. |
| 02:50.05 | jcbjoe | tranceNRG: why ? |
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| 02:50.14 | jcbjoe | tranceNRG: i just removed ubuntu after 2 week o_O |
| 02:50.23 | darkapp | lol |
| 02:50.29 | darkapp | wats wrong with ubuntu> |
| 02:50.32 | darkapp | ?* |
| 02:51.04 | jcbjoe | nothing .. i just like debian .. also a years ago when i had issues with ubuntu or had questions i would come in here and ask since ubuntu is from debian .. abrotman always told me to go back to ubuntu |
| 02:51.06 | darkapp | also i have yet to find any major diffrences between ubuntu and deb, ubuntu does have aot more stuff reinstalled though |
| 02:51.18 | jcbjoe | so hell i might as well be on the distro i want answers for |
| 02:51.38 | tranceNRG | Ubuntu is aimed for the novice user, has non-free software, and far newer packages. |
| 02:51.41 | darkapp | #ubuntu has a great help channel |
| 02:51.47 | jcbjoe | yea it does |
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| 02:52.15 | darkapp | ya debian licensing thing annoys me |
| 02:52.21 | darkapp | misses the firefox icon |
| 02:52.52 | yngling | any truth to the rumors that ubuntu does some data mining? |
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| 02:53.02 | jcbjoe | you guys ever heard of wajing ? |
| 02:53.07 | darkapp | yngling: yes and no is the answer |
| 02:53.13 | jcbjoe | i been playing with it for an hour |
| 02:53.26 | tranceNRG | yngling: I've heard they do some data collection. I believe you can opt-out though. |
| 02:53.27 | darkapp | jcbjoe: nope |
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| 02:54.02 | darkapp | tranceNRG: same with debian btw |
| 02:54.04 | yngling | i see. couldn't be too serious then. |
| 02:54.09 | tranceNRG | Still Ubuntu is a bit too commercialized for my taste. That being said it is a great desktop distro. They have done quite a bit to provide a user-friendly abstraction. |
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| 02:54.15 | darkapp | idt u can opt out on windows though |
| 02:54.22 | d3_ | Hi, somebody can help me? I want transform a MP3 file to AAC, i use this command " ffmpeg -i Peligro.mp3 -acodec libfaac -ab 128k -ar 44000 -ac 2 -y Peligro.aac" but i can make it work |
| 02:54.46 | jcbjoe | darkapp: wajig is aptitude dpkg apt rolled into 1 http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Wajig_Overview.html |
| 02:54.47 | d3_ | The error that show is this: Unknown encoder 'libfaac' |
| 02:54.56 | d3_ | I have installed libfaac |
| 02:55.04 | tranceNRG | darkapp: oh really, do tell -- that is definitely news to me. |
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| 02:55.48 | rgwu | jcbjoe: why do you need them combined into a single program? |
| 02:55.48 | darkapp | tranceNRG: i definitely remember when installing debian, it asked me if id like to anonymously send data to debian for the purposes of fixing bugs |
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| 02:56.14 | jcbjoe | rgwu: just trying diffrent programs |
| 02:56.36 | tranceNRG | hmm.. I only remember seeing the propmt regarding the "popularity-contest" package. Still Ubuntu's usage certainly seemed more commercial in nature. |
| 02:56.37 | darkapp | also jcbjoe looking at the link |
| 02:57.15 | darkapp | i dont rlly se how ubuntu is more commercialized, unless u just mean more popular |
| 02:57.41 | yngling | debian seems to have more of a hobbyist nature which appeals to me |
| 02:57.55 | austeregrim | darkapp, it's not for fixing bugs... it was for what would be default software on distro discs |
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| 02:58.08 | rgwu | I like debian because I want to decide what crap I need. |
| 02:58.16 | darkapp | brb guys |
| 02:58.27 | darkapp | austeregrim: i shall get back to u |
| 02:58.35 | austeregrim | k |
| 02:59.08 | rgwu | Debian suits my purposes. The only thing not in stable that I needed was the latest version of i3, which I build from source. |
| 02:59.49 | austeregrim | darkapp, I've read the damn message like 5 times this week. after setting up my pxe boot setup... and see it continue to install it anyway even after I tell it, no thanks. |
| 03:00.02 | tranceNRG | darkapp: well Canonical is a for-profit company. A little more on there data collection: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richard-stallman-calls-ubuntu-spyware-because-it-tracks-searches/ |
| 03:00.08 | tranceNRG | *their |
| 03:02.47 | darkapp | tranceNRG: im guessing canonical is a parent company of ubuntu? |
| 03:03.38 | tranceNRG | darkapp: yes |
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| 03:04.14 | austeregrim | canonical is the parent company of ubuntu which provides it's support and development |
| 03:05.07 | austeregrim | and I would say "direction of development" |
| 03:05.56 | jcbjoe | darkapp: you install it and play with it ? |
| 03:07.35 | darkapp | sure |
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| 03:08.30 | darkapp | i dont completely get what wajig does though |
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| 03:09.39 | darkapp | ill say this, i am a fan of software developers finding ways of getting funding from sources other than the software directly, or constantly begging for donations |
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| 03:13.16 | darkapp | begging for donations is obviously a better option than being an IP bully, but it still can be annoying |
| 03:13.17 | darkapp | disclaimer: im also a fan of online privacy |
| 03:13.18 | darkapp | perhaps he can find a third option, where he can still find the funding from amazon, while not compromising anyones privacy |
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| 03:15.00 | noisy | q |
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| 03:15.13 | austeregrim | darkapp, I'm interested in what your concern is... or your question. |
| 03:15.31 | austeregrim | more or less, what started this discussion |
| 03:15.51 | darkapp | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richard-stallman-calls-ubuntu-spyware-because-it-tracks-searches/ |
| 03:16.13 | austeregrim | hmm |
| 03:16.35 | darkapp | short article dw |
| 03:17.18 | darkapp | highlights: ubuntu sends info to amazon anonymously for money, but ubuntu gets said data a whoe lot less anonymously |
| 03:17.26 | darkapp | whole* |
| 03:17.34 | austeregrim | hrm.. |
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| 03:17.51 | darkapp | and offers an opt out policy |
| 03:18.42 | yngling | hm, meh, could be better, could be worse. i'll pass on ubuntu i guess. |
| 03:19.06 | austeregrim | I use ubuntu regularly... but have never sensed any passing of personal data |
| 03:19.17 | austeregrim | I think "meta" data is harmless |
| 03:19.36 | darkapp | lol, describe what u use to sense exactly |
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| 03:20.15 | rgwu | lol |
| 03:20.21 | rgwu | netstat |
| 03:20.27 | rgwu | the linux users sixth sense |
| 03:20.34 | austeregrim | lol |
| 03:20.46 | yngling | spidian powers |
| 03:20.49 | austeregrim | Well, I'll say I don't ever search the desktop |
| 03:20.50 | darkapp | assuming ur checking all that manualy i can understand why ur sensors might be off |
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| 03:21.05 | austeregrim | I've never used it... |
| 03:21.10 | darkapp | also may i suggest wireshark? |
| 03:21.41 | austeregrim | I have wiresharked my connection from time to time.. |
| 03:22.12 | austeregrim | i prefer the name ethereal... but you know |
| 03:23.05 | darkapp | wireshark offers the ability to filter what u see and what not, could be alot easier to check for canonicals ip addresses |
| 03:23.18 | austeregrim | but then again, I use chrome... which that's probably getting more data than canonical ever would |
| 03:23.27 | rgwu | iptables will deny those ip's easily |
| 03:23.34 | rgwu | fear not the terminal |
| 03:23.38 | darkapp | speaking of privacy and ip addresses, anyone know how to get peerguardian installe? |
| 03:24.12 | darkapp | rgwu: how do i get iptables to use blocklists? |
| 03:24.36 | darkapp | (btw thats wat peerguardian does, privacy firewall) |
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| 03:25.20 | rgwu | iptables is the command used to directly control the kernel level packet filtering, mangling, etc |
| 03:25.29 | rgwu | if you don't know what it is, you shouldn't mess with it |
| 03:25.42 | rgwu | I was being facetious |
| 03:26.11 | tranceNRG | "ufw" is also available; it's quite a bit simpler than iptables (while obviously less powerful due to the abstraction it presents). |
| 03:26.47 | darkapp | i use ufw |
| 03:27.15 | darkapp | i want to use blocklists to stop those ips related to the riaa and such from talking to my computer |
| 03:28.30 | tranceNRG | ah -- one could always write a shell script to execute ufw commands to achieve that. Granted that is likely not ideal. |
| 03:29.20 | rgwu | can't you just add them to /etc/hosts.deny |
| 03:29.22 | rgwu | ? |
| 03:31.18 | darkapp | ive never heard of trhat folder |
| 03:31.32 | rgwu | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.42 | rgwu | hosts.deny is a txt file |
| 03:31.45 | darkapp | but would that work with urls? |
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| 03:32.04 | darkapp | manually adding ever changing ips seems futile |
| 03:32.09 | rgwu | no |
| 03:32.18 | rgwu | It'll work with url's |
| 03:32.35 | rgwu | Or rather hostnames normally resolved by dns |
| 03:32.41 | darkapp | ok how do i do this? cat /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 03:33.02 | rgwu | I would prefer 'vim /etc/hosts.deny' |
| 03:33.06 | rgwu | but that's up to you |
| 03:33.06 | darkapp | no no, the list needs to be downloaded via a url |
| 03:33.17 | rgwu | so download it |
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| 03:33.23 | darkapp | list = list of ips im trying to block |
| 03:33.52 | darkapp | also since i use a VPN, will it do anything at all? |
| 03:33.57 | rgwu | and you think canonical's ip's are constantly in flux? |
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| 03:34.34 | rgwu | I don't know if this will be sophisticated enough for what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 03:34.37 | darkapp | definitely, new servers added, and new ones being suspected of affiliation |
| 03:35.13 | darkapp | ya idts either, ive tryed getting peerguardian, but its weird |
| 03:35.19 | rgwu | Maybe a cron job that runs a python script you've wrote to parse the downloaded list into a format hosts.deny likes. |
| 03:35.28 | darkapp | says linux version, but .exe extension not compatible with wine |
| 03:35.45 | rgwu | Lol. Wine for a firewall. |
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| 03:35.48 | darkapp | is confused by the computer talk |
| 03:35.49 | rgwu | That's funny. |
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| 03:36.36 | darkapp | #offtopic |
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| 03:40.30 | darkapp | ok so vim /etc/hosts.deny then |
| 03:40.31 | darkapp | ~$ vim /etc/hosts.deny |
| 03:40.32 | darkapp | bash: vim: command not found |
| 03:40.32 | darkapp | ? |
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| 03:40.54 | jcbjoe | darkapp: is it installed ? |
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| 03:41.11 | rgwu | He was kicked. |
| 03:41.16 | austeregrim | he joined again |
| 03:41.18 | darkapp | why was i kicked? |
| 03:41.19 | jcbjoe | he rejoined |
| 03:41.27 | rgwu | for flooding the channel |
| 03:41.28 | jcbjoe | more then 5 lines or 3 |
| 03:41.41 | darkapp | must be my lag |
| 03:41.48 | rgwu | If you don't know how to use vim, don't try. |
| 03:41.56 | rgwu | That's an evening unto itself. |
| 03:41.58 | austeregrim | darkapp try nano for editing |
| 03:42.03 | darkapp | ok |
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| 03:42.12 | jcbjoe | nano rocks |
| 03:42.18 | rgwu | ... |
| 03:42.22 | jcbjoe | :P |
| 03:42.26 | jcbjoe | rgwu: you like vim ? |
| 03:42.32 | austeregrim | I like vim |
| 03:42.33 | s00pcan | yeah I've spent hundreds of hours on my nano config file |
| 03:42.39 | s00pcan | wait, does nano even have a config? |
| 03:43.23 | darkapp | so i put in ALL: ip.address.here |
| 03:43.48 | rgwu | sure, or hostname |
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| 03:44.04 | rgwu | And yes, I like anything vi related, which is why I use the i3 window manager. |
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| 03:44.36 | rgwu | And the vsvim plugin for Visual Studio at work. |
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| 03:44.40 | darkapp | and i need the ALL: by every ip i add? |
| 03:44.41 | rgwu | And gvim. |
| 03:44.54 | rgwu | I don't know. |
| 03:45.00 | rgwu | man hosts.deny |
| 03:45.05 | yngling | still using joe in jstar mode :) |
| 03:45.13 | rgwu | I use iptables for my filtering needs. |
| 03:45.18 | rgwu | Are you behind a router? |
| 03:45.18 | darkapp | cause that would make copying and pasting 10k ip addresses rlly difficult |
| 03:45.25 | rgwu | you don't need to go to all this trouble |
| 03:45.26 | darkapp | yes i am |
| 03:45.45 | rgwu | How are these "requests" from these hosts gonna make it through your router? |
| 03:46.08 | darkapp | im confused |
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| 03:46.20 | darkapp | by router do u mean wireless router? |
| 03:47.10 | rgwu | I hate that term. |
| 03:47.12 | rgwu | But yes. |
| 03:47.13 | austeregrim | lol |
| 03:47.23 | austeregrim | it's a router with a wireless ap |
| 03:47.29 | rgwu | better |
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| 03:47.54 | austeregrim | it's a linux server with a dhcp and dns and a wireless bridge |
| 03:47.57 | rgwu | darkapp: this is probably gonna be one of those solutions to a non existant problem that you're working on |
| 03:48.11 | darkapp | im so confuse |
| 03:48.11 | rgwu | His is not. |
| 03:48.12 | darkapp | d |
| 03:48.27 | darkapp | why does my wifi router make a diffrence? |
| 03:48.28 | austeregrim | rgwu, most "wireless routers" are |
| 03:48.31 | rgwu | You're trying to block machines that already can't reach your machine. |
| 03:48.41 | rgwu | Ah, I see your point. |
| 03:48.52 | austeregrim | ;-) |
| 03:49.17 | darkapp | rgwu: why cant they reach me? |
| 03:49.18 | austeregrim | darkapp your router already blocks everything |
| 03:49.18 | rgwu | I've actually soldered a serial cable onto a jtag connector and accessed the shell on a Linksys router. |
| 03:49.25 | rgwu | It was fun. |
| 03:49.27 | darkapp | how? |
| 03:49.32 | austeregrim | rgwu do that with a netgear ;-) |
| 03:49.36 | rgwu | By choosing not to route. |
| 03:49.48 | rgwu | That ARM? |
| 03:50.03 | darkapp | ? |
| 03:50.04 | austeregrim | darkapp unless you put your linux machine in a DMZ it's behind a firewall |
| 03:50.16 | austeregrim | a firewall of not routing |
| 03:50.26 | rgwu | darkapp: For the final time. You don't need to do what you are wanting to. |
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| 03:50.30 | rgwu | It's pointless. |
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| 03:51.03 | austeregrim | rgwu, I believe they are arm... depends on the model... I used to support netgear routers... switches... and nas boxes |
| 03:51.14 | rgwu | Your router only allows connections in that are established or specifically allowed by you. |
| 03:51.20 | darkapp | ok so if im torenting, and im connected to one of those ips, it will still let me seed? |
| 03:52.00 | rgwu | Yes, but unless you are specifically allowing the inbound port for your torrent client and forwarding it to your machine, no one will be able to connect to you. |
| 03:52.17 | austeregrim | rgwu, unless he has upnp turned on |
| 03:52.26 | austeregrim | lol |
| 03:52.28 | yngling | wasn't this originally about blocking tailored ads from amazon that occur as a result of dash searches being sent to canonical? |
| 03:52.29 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 03:52.34 | rgwu | Yes. |
| 03:52.43 | darkapp | but i want crtain privacy hating ip addresses not allowed to connect to me, even if i accidently initiate |
| 03:52.59 | darkapp | yngling: no i changed that topic |
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| 03:53.24 | yngling | oh, ok |
| 03:53.34 | darkapp | <darkapp> i want to use blocklists to stop those ips related to the riaa and such from talking to my computer |
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| 03:53.49 | darkapp | emphasis on the RIAA part |
| 03:54.17 | austeregrim | maybe you should join the onion router project |
| 03:54.45 | darkapp | lol, i know of tor |
| 03:55.22 | rgwu | Maybe you shouldn't steal. |
| 03:55.25 | austeregrim | or maybe stop torrenting illegaly |
| 03:55.26 | rgwu | :) |
| 03:55.30 | austeregrim | lol |
| 03:55.33 | darkapp | do me a favor, go to irc.oftc.net and say to use tor with torrenting |
| 03:55.58 | darkapp | rgwu: i dont steal, people willingly donate their bandwidth to me |
| 03:56.03 | yngling | torrents aren't safer with tor |
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| 03:56.34 | austeregrim | maybe he should find a darknet vpn |
| 03:56.37 | darkapp | yngling: i know, the people on #tor always react funny when people say that they want to torrent with tor |
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| 03:57.05 | austeregrim | those still exist right? |
| 03:57.17 | rgwu | darkapp: if the RIAA's concerned with you, it's because you're stealing something via a torrent download. |
| 03:57.20 | darkapp | austeregrim: i have i2p, and a VPN too, i just dont want my computer talking to the RIAA for anything |
| 03:57.21 | rgwu | Or uploading. |
| 03:57.56 | austeregrim | darkapp if you're behind a router, the RIAA isn't talking to your computer |
| 03:58.05 | darkapp | rgwu: google false accusations that the RIAA has made in the past |
| 03:58.26 | darkapp | there are some funny ones, including them going after someone who turned out to have been dead for years |
| 03:58.43 | rgwu | So you're worried about being falsely accused of downloading something stolen, when in fact you weren't? |
| 03:58.59 | darkapp | rgwu: i plead the fifth amendment sir |
| 03:59.08 | rgwu | ah ha |
| 03:59.15 | rgwu | and we get to the bottom of it :) |
| 03:59.22 | darkapp | lo |
| 03:59.23 | darkapp | l |
| 03:59.37 | rgwu | By the way, you should be worried about blocking outbound connections as well given your requirements. |
| 03:59.42 | darkapp | well its not illegal for me to choose not to talk to those who hate privacy |
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| 04:00.06 | austeregrim | well how do you know the ip addresses of those who hate piracy? |
| 04:00.25 | austeregrim | or are you just going to block the domian riaa.com? |
| 04:00.32 | darkapp | http://www.iblocklist.com/ |
| 04:00.43 | rgwu | and we circle back to the beginning |
| 04:00.53 | austeregrim | doesn't iblocklist have instructions to adding to a router? |
| 04:01.04 | rgwu | cron job + python script to parse list into hosts.deny |
| 04:01.09 | rgwu | he wants dynamic updating |
| 04:01.12 | rgwu | automagically |
| 04:01.13 | darkapp | ya click on the peerguardian linux link |
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| 04:01.26 | rgwu | you can't use a Wine firewall |
| 04:01.28 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 04:01.44 | austeregrim | most torrenting software has block lists, and should be able to update from sources like iblocklist |
| 04:01.50 | austeregrim | as far as I recall |
| 04:01.51 | darkapp | ell its opensource so i can techinically compile it myself |
| 04:02.02 | darkapp | im just not that tech savvy yet however |
| 04:02.22 | austeregrim | well, it sounds like you need to become tech savvy |
| 04:02.46 | darkapp | indeed |
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| 04:02.57 | austeregrim | not trying to be mean... i'm just saying that maybe you need to understand what you're trying to do better |
| 04:03.12 | yngling | compiling most packages isn't rocket science |
| 04:03.13 | darkapp | im in schoo for that, but learning al their is to know about computers apparently takes longer than a week |
| 04:03.38 | darkapp | yngling: i disagree |
| 04:03.57 | darkapp | they all say the same thing, ./configure && make install |
| 04:04.03 | austeregrim | yep |
| 04:04.07 | austeregrim | that's the gist of it |
| 04:04.09 | darkapp | but i always get some error idk how to fix >:( |
| 04:04.29 | darkapp | plus even if i didnt, how do i make it start from there? |
| 04:04.31 | austeregrim | most errors are the answer of "install the package it's looking for" |
| 04:05.45 | yngling | reading error messages and logs is essential to linux expertise |
| 04:06.02 | austeregrim | yngling, "linux use" |
| 04:06.09 | austeregrim | has nothing to do with expertise |
| 04:06.10 | austeregrim | ;-) |
| 04:06.22 | yngling | i defer :) |
| 04:06.46 | austeregrim | if something throws an error, google it |
| 04:06.50 | darkapp | i need a cigarette brb |
| 04:07.37 | rgwu | This is the most entertaining conversation I've been part of all day. |
| 04:07.50 | austeregrim | I'm glad you're enjoying it. |
| 04:07.54 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 04:08.05 | austeregrim | netflix is asking if I'm still watching Deep Space 9... |
| 04:08.05 | rgwu | I'm still laughing about firewalls via wine. |
| 04:08.17 | austeregrim | it's been sitting there for about 15 minutes |
| 04:08.32 | rgwu | Is it paused? |
| 04:08.37 | austeregrim | kind of |
| 04:08.45 | austeregrim | it pauses after watching 3 episodes in a row |
| 04:08.54 | rgwu | weak |
| 04:08.58 | austeregrim | asking if I'm still watching |
| 04:09.10 | rgwu | Netflix: User, are you attempting to waste our bandwidht? |
| 04:09.13 | austeregrim | uh yeah netflix, I've been watching all day |
| 04:09.45 | austeregrim | I think it's suggesting that I go outside and enjoy some fresh air |
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| 04:10.10 | rgwu | Air is cool and fresh here. |
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| 04:10.23 | austeregrim | it's warm and annoying here |
| 04:10.29 | rgwu | Where's there? |
| 04:10.35 | austeregrim | mojave desert |
| 04:10.44 | austeregrim | which is great for servers |
| 04:10.48 | rgwu | bfe rural Missouri |
| 04:10.48 | yngling | i remember outside. it's that hing on the other side of the door marked exit. |
| 04:10.53 | rgwu | which is awful for servers |
| 04:11.03 | austeregrim | at least it's dry here |
| 04:11.34 | rgwu | The humidity doesn't bother me, but I grew up in it. |
| 04:11.44 | austeregrim | well I meant for servers |
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| 04:12.52 | rgwu | Lol. Yes, we have to spend dollars on dehumidifying, which is handled anyway because of the refridgeration requirements in our server room at work. |
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| 04:13.56 | austeregrim | I feel this small cloud I've built is costing me in electricity for AC |
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| 04:15.35 | austeregrim | trying to learn the joys of pxe, and xen vms.. |
| 04:15.56 | austeregrim | stupid preseed is going to be the death of me |
| 04:16.49 | rgwu | I wanted to do a do-it-all server w/ Xen vms, but found out later that the old HP Proliant I bought didn't support hardware virtualization... |
| 04:17.04 | rgwu | So it collects dust. |
| 04:17.16 | rgwu | pxe = network boot? |
| 04:17.21 | austeregrim | yeah |
| 04:17.26 | austeregrim | boot and install |
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| 04:17.36 | austeregrim | build servers en masse |
| 04:17.57 | boycey | Hi everyone. How can i install an old version of a package using apt-get ? |
| 04:18.01 | austeregrim | xen seems kind of dirty to me... but what do I know |
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| 04:18.55 | boycey | hmm. i think i answered my own question http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/03/how-to-install-specific-version-of.html |
| 04:19.21 | austeregrim | ctcpme, why didn't you join the conversation about the blocklisting? |
| 04:19.42 | austeregrim | boycey, glad we could help |
| 04:20.27 | darkapp | alright back time to figure out how to turn source code into a working program |
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| 04:20.42 | rgwu | darkapp: you smoking those Marlboro 1000's? |
| 04:21.04 | darkapp | holy crap my online privacy is alot worse than i thought |
| 04:21.09 | darkapp | 100's btw |
| 04:21.21 | rgwu | It took 14 minutes. |
| 04:21.31 | rgwu | not that anyone's counting |
| 04:21.32 | austeregrim | 6 minutes is standard for shorts |
| 04:22.04 | darkapp | configure: error: Package requirements (libnetfilter_queue) were not met: |
| 04:22.12 | austeregrim | although 10 to 11 minutes is a bit more standard for 100s |
| 04:22.27 | rgwu | depends on whether or not you're on the clock |
| 04:22.33 | austeregrim | agreed |
| 04:22.36 | darkapp | my bad, next time i wont stop to take a leak |
| 04:22.57 | austeregrim | darkapp you need the package it's looking for |
| 04:23.16 | darkapp | is that an apt-get thing? |
| 04:23.20 | austeregrim | sure |
| 04:23.26 | austeregrim | or aptitude |
| 04:23.27 | rgwu | It can be an apt-get thing. |
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| 04:23.35 | rgwu | or a wget thing |
| 04:23.36 | austeregrim | or dpkg |
| 04:23.38 | rgwu | Your call. |
| 04:23.45 | austeregrim | wait |
| 04:23.48 | austeregrim | yeah |
| 04:23.51 | austeregrim | nevermind |
| 04:23.53 | rgwu | lol |
| 04:24.03 | boycey | austeregrim: no problem with that =D |
| 04:24.12 | darkapp | E: Unable to locate package libnetfilter_queue |
| 04:24.28 | austeregrim | darkapp look up the package in google or something |
| 04:24.39 | austeregrim | probably libnetfilter |
| 04:24.44 | darkapp | i prefer duckduckgo |
| 04:24.45 | austeregrim | not including _queue |
| 04:24.54 | austeregrim | of course you do |
| 04:24.59 | darkapp | tried that already :( |
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| 04:25.01 | rgwu | over google? |
| 04:25.03 | jcbjoe | question .. if i update to testing or sid .. do i have to give bug fixes or is it recommended to help out ? |
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| 04:25.49 | rgwu | haha, I've never even heard of duckduckgo.com |
| 04:25.51 | rgwu | wow |
| 04:26.31 | jcbjoe | clibnetfilter-queue-dev - Development files for libnetfilter-queue1 |
| 04:26.37 | rgwu | jcbjoe: no |
| 04:26.40 | jcbjoe | oh ok |
| 04:26.57 | jcbjoe | darkapp: your not looking for libnetfilter-queue-dev ? |
| 04:26.59 | rgwu | Most people that test are not developers and could not contribute bug fixes. |
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| 04:28.22 | rgwu | darkapp: type 'apt-cache search netfilter' in a terminal and you'll get 50 results |
| 04:28.22 | darkapp | i actually use http://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/ |
| 04:28.24 | darkapp | yay found it! http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libnetfilter-queue1 |
| 04:28.41 | darkapp | well thats what duckgo told me |
| 04:28.51 | rgwu | ... |
| 04:28.58 | darkapp | jcbjoe: why do u think i need that one? |
| 04:29.14 | jcbjoe | darkapp: don't know just was looking for it for you |
| 04:29.36 | jcbjoe | ip libnetfilter-queue1 |
| 04:29.45 | darkapp | my god |
| 04:29.54 | jcbjoe | rgwu: im thinking of going to sid or testing |
| 04:30.00 | darkapp | No package 'libnetfilter_queue' found |
| 04:30.02 | rgwu | cool |
| 04:30.18 | rgwu | jcbjoe: i've been on wheezy since it was testing. |
| 04:30.25 | rgwu | needed to for hardware reasons. |
| 04:30.39 | rgwu | Worked great the whole time ( > 1 year ) and still is. |
| 04:30.42 | jcbjoe | darkapp: its in the repo |
| 04:30.58 | jcbjoe | aptitude search '~nlibnetfilter-queue-dev' |
| 04:30.59 | austeregrim | darkapp, ctcpme has some knowledge about blocklists |
| 04:31.00 | rgwu | append a '1' to the name |
| 04:31.00 | jcbjoe | its there |
| 04:31.22 | ctcpme | disavows all knowledge... |
| 04:31.24 | jcbjoe | won't the dev install the queue1 ? |
| 04:31.40 | darkapp | rgwu: i tried that |
| 04:31.58 | austeregrim | good lord it's like pulling teeth with this guy |
| 04:32.06 | darkapp | ok the -dev worked but now..... |
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| 04:32.14 | darkapp | No package 'zlib' found |
| 04:32.20 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 04:32.27 | austeregrim | maybe you should install zlib |
| 04:32.51 | darkapp | 6 options, idk which one to pick |
| 04:32.55 | jcbjoe | o_o |
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| 04:32.59 | ctcpme | :-| |
| 04:33.01 | jcbjoe | there a dev one |
| 04:33.01 | austeregrim | generally the one with -dev |
| 04:33.23 | ctcpme | you can try reading the descriptions too |
| 04:33.46 | darkapp | i think it worked |
| 04:33.54 | rgwu | no news is good news |
| 04:34.07 | rgwu | especially with unix derivatives |
| 04:34.13 | darkapp | no wait now i need dbus-1 jesus |
| 04:34.17 | rgwu | lol |
| 04:34.24 | darkapp | how many more am i going to need? |
| 04:34.28 | rgwu | several |
| 04:34.31 | austeregrim | as many as it asks for |
| 04:35.22 | rgwu | I forget, what is he trying to do again? |
| 04:35.34 | austeregrim | install some blocklisting software |
| 04:35.35 | rgwu | peerguardian firewall? |
| 04:35.38 | austeregrim | yeah |
| 04:35.50 | austeregrim | which is going to do nothing since it's not on his router |
| 04:36.00 | austeregrim | well very little |
| 04:36.01 | rgwu | He'll sleep better. |
| 04:36.07 | ctcpme | meh as long as he's doing the torrenting from that computer |
| 04:36.09 | rgwu | While his torrent's download. |
| 04:36.15 | ctcpme | i don't know why bother installing pgfirewall |
| 04:36.18 | darkapp | lol |
| 04:36.28 | ctcpme | there's a million tutorials for doing it just with iptables |
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| 04:36.33 | darkapp | ctcpme: at this point its more for closure than anything else |
| 04:36.33 | rgwu | we've been there |
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| 04:36.35 | rgwu | and left |
| 04:36.41 | ctcpme | including pulling from some decent blocklists |
| 04:36.44 | darkapp | also learning how to compile from scratch |
| 04:37.01 | austeregrim | that's what I wanted him to bring up |
| 04:37.11 | ctcpme | *shrugs* i could think of better things to learn that with :D |
| 04:37.21 | rgwu | linuxfromscratch anyone? |
| 04:37.27 | ctcpme | oh come now |
| 04:37.30 | ctcpme | don't scare the kid off |
| 04:37.34 | rgwu | lol |
| 04:37.48 | austeregrim | ctcpme, I knew you'd be useful |
| 04:37.53 | darkapp | im not a kid, im a big boy |
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| 04:38.25 | rgwu | You're somebody's kid |
| 04:38.29 | darkapp | so this dbus-1 thing |
| 04:38.36 | darkapp | doesnt seem to exist |
| 04:38.36 | ctcpme | rgwu <-- this guy |
| 04:38.46 | yngling | installing gentoo would be a good compiling lesson |
| 04:38.52 | darkapp | dbus dbus-1-doc dbus-x11 |
| 04:38.52 | darkapp | dbus-1-dbg dbus-java-bin |
| 04:39.02 | jcbjoe | libdbus-1-dev |
| 04:39.04 | darkapp | installed all of those |
| 04:39.11 | rgwu | yngling: maybe in the past |
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| 04:39.15 | rgwu | now it's all stage3 |
| 04:39.16 | rgwu | boo |
| 04:39.23 | yngling | :O |
| 04:39.44 | jcbjoe | darkapp: you try that one ? |
| 04:39.45 | ctcpme | gentoo's a nice stepping stone to lfs |
| 04:39.49 | darkapp | yngling: ive been warned of gentoo |
| 04:39.57 | jcbjoe | rotfl gentoo is a slow way to die |
| 04:40.00 | rgwu | what happened to the good ole days of waiting 3 days to have a running stage1 up and going? |
| 04:40.00 | darkapp | jcbjoe: trying now |
| 04:40.12 | darkapp | yay it worked |
| 04:40.13 | ctcpme | mmmhmmm halelujah |
| 04:40.24 | ctcpme | raises hands and sings |
| 04:40.25 | rgwu | you don't know the half of it |
| 04:40.25 | darkapp | but now qtdbus is needed |
| 04:40.30 | ctcpme | glory glory gentoo |
| 04:40.31 | rgwu | ... |
| 04:40.31 | jcbjoe | rotfl |
| 04:40.33 | rgwu | haha |
| 04:40.35 | jcbjoe | dam man |
| 04:40.35 | yngling | remember the early days of slackware? :) |
| 04:41.02 | ctcpme | slackware's changed? |
| 04:41.11 | rgwu | Yeah, definitely best conversation all day. Maybe all week. |
| 04:41.27 | jcbjoe | libqtdbus4 |
| 04:41.44 | austeregrim | i just like the unpronoucable names in here |
| 04:42.12 | jcbjoe | darkapp: did that work ? |
| 04:42.32 | rgwu | austeregrim: whose is the worst? |
| 04:42.42 | austeregrim | yngling, |
| 04:42.59 | yngling | ? |
| 04:43.00 | ctcpme | nah yngling's alright |
| 04:43.04 | ctcpme | like the beer :D |
| 04:43.11 | austeregrim | theres a beer? |
| 04:43.21 | rgwu | Busch beer |
| 04:43.24 | rgwu | + irc |
| 04:43.24 | darkapp | jcbjoe: no |
| 04:43.25 | austeregrim | I need a beer |
| 04:43.26 | yngling | just say it like it's spelled, yngling :) |
| 04:43.27 | ctcpme | rgwu... idfk... rag woo? i've got a rag, woo! |
| 04:43.53 | rgwu | lol, i came up with that 14 years ago when I was in junior high. |
| 04:43.56 | ctcpme | ronald george wu? |
| 04:44.02 | rgwu | rgwu = really good windows user |
| 04:44.03 | austeregrim | lol |
| 04:44.07 | austeregrim | even better |
| 04:44.07 | ctcpme | :-| |
| 04:44.10 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 04:44.10 | ctcpme | *pokerface* |
| 04:44.14 | rgwu | impressive right? |
| 04:44.27 | austeregrim | could be worse... my name from when I was 13... vbguihead |
| 04:44.28 | jcbjoe | darkapp: your not looking for libnetfilter-queue-dev ? |
| 04:44.41 | rgwu | rglu is my backup |
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| 04:45.25 | rgwu | I think I prefer "rag, woo!" better. I'm gonna change the definition. |
| 04:45.45 | ctcpme | takes a bow |
| 04:45.55 | ctcpme | wait... |
| 04:46.00 | austeregrim | dont be cocky ctcpme |
| 04:46.01 | rgwu | Only took 14 years for someone to complain about it. |
| 04:46.01 | ctcpme | damnit, austeregrim |
| 04:46.18 | ctcpme | got me contemplating running an irc client on this logic analyzer, then i can multitask |
| 04:46.24 | austeregrim | lol |
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| 04:47.28 | darkapp | idk how to get this freaking packae :( |
| 04:47.33 | austeregrim | ctcpme, so I guess you're not coming to town this weekend? |
| 04:48.07 | darkapp | anyone know anything about qtdbus? |
| 04:48.40 | jcbjoe | darkapp: try libqt4-dev |
| 04:48.41 | ctcpme | austeregrim: not this weekend, next |
| 04:48.58 | darkapp | woa just laged heavy |
| 04:49.04 | austeregrim | this was my 3 day... |
| 04:49.16 | darkapp | like 40 lines at once there |
| 04:49.34 | darkapp | <jcbjoe> darkapp: your not looking for libnetfilter-queue-dev ? |
| 04:49.35 | darkapp | no |
| 04:50.03 | jcbjoe | darkapp: you said you needed qtdbus right ? |
| 04:50.10 | darkapp | ya |
| 04:50.19 | darkapp | trying libqt4-dev |
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| 04:50.30 | darkapp | installing now |
| 04:50.36 | darkapp | 0mb package btw |
| 04:50.45 | jcbjoe | wierd |
| 04:51.01 | austeregrim | isn't there a way to find out the requirements of source before you attempt to compile? |
| 04:51.30 | rgwu | austeregrim: you in IT or development? I see you're a 3D modeling guy, unless you're different from the Austere Grim reported by duckduck....I mean google. |
| 04:51.40 | austeregrim | lol |
| 04:51.41 | darkapp | it worked now need polkit-qt-1 |
| 04:51.42 | ctcpme | lol |
| 04:51.45 | jcbjoe | w00t |
| 04:51.49 | ctcpme | austeregrim: this is why i changed nicks |
| 04:52.09 | ctcpme | nothin' like a little internet stalking, love that shit |
| 04:52.12 | austeregrim | IT... and I toyed with 3d modeling |
| 04:52.16 | jcbjoe | libpolkit-qt-1-dev |
| 04:52.23 | jcbjoe | don't worry i will be here all night finding filees for you |
| 04:52.25 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 04:53.02 | rgwu | e-stalking...I blame it on the Busch beer. |
| 04:53.03 | austeregrim | ctcpme, yes but I have a name to build up |
| 04:53.13 | darkapp | >ctcpme< CTCP PING |
| 04:53.13 | darkapp | * Ping reply from ctcpme: ? second(s) |
| 04:53.22 | darkapp | most intresting ping reply ever! |
| 04:53.34 | rgwu | Bets on darkapp getting flood kicked again from pastes? |
| 04:53.38 | ctcpme | i feel bad for this server |
| 04:53.43 | ctcpme | haven't even gotten around to securing it yet |
| 04:54.07 | austeregrim | rgwu, just need to get him to paste a log |
| 04:54.11 | darkapp | ctcpme: who would attack freenode? people that hate nonprofit work? |
| 04:54.18 | rgwu | lol |
| 04:54.23 | austeregrim | darkapp, he means his own server |
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| 04:54.36 | ctcpme | freenode pirates, arr |
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| 04:56.27 | austeregrim | ctcpme, did you get the vpn fixed? or am I still showing my ip? |
| 04:56.44 | jcbjoe | darkapp: did it work ? |
| 04:56.57 | darkapp | jcbjoe: working on it hold on |
| 04:57.09 | darkapp | omg it worked :D |
| 04:57.15 | jcbjoe | w00t |
| 04:57.20 | ctcpme | austeregrim: no, having problems getting it back up, pfsense is acting a little wonky, i think it might be your firmware version |
| 04:57.27 | rgwu | darkapp: are you certain? |
| 04:57.27 | austeregrim | oh lord |
| 04:57.28 | ctcpme | austeregrim: still working on it, though |
| 04:57.48 | austeregrim | ctcpme, just don't kill my netflix I'm still watching deep space 9 |
| 04:57.49 | darkapp | kind of! |
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| 04:58.34 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39906/ |
| 04:59.12 | jcbjoe | darkapp: sudo ? |
| 04:59.13 | austeregrim | rgwu, all bets are off, house wins |
| 04:59.26 | ctcpme | great... now i've done it |
| 04:59.40 | jcbjoe | suod make && sudo make install ? |
| 04:59.46 | ctcpme | just had to do irc on a logic analyzer |
| 04:59.53 | austeregrim | pictures ctcpme |
| 05:00.00 | austeregrim | or it doesn't exist? |
| 05:00.14 | darkapp | moar errors :( |
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| 05:00.32 | austeregrim | but I assume it's not actally on the logic analyzer? |
| 05:00.47 | ctcpme | http://goo.gl/xr3Qao |
| 05:00.48 | jcbjoe | darkapp: don't know i just know how to look for packages .. still trying to go to sid or testing lol |
| 05:01.31 | austeregrim | what is that thing running? windows? |
| 05:01.33 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39908/ |
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| 05:01.46 | rgwu | darkapp: I think you passed the point of diminishing returns on this project long ago. |
| 05:02.01 | darkapp | fuck giving up! |
| 05:02.13 | rgwu | is 'faster' your user name? |
| 05:02.19 | darkapp | yea |
| 05:02.19 | rgwu | grins |
| 05:02.20 | ctcpme | nothing better than windows 2000 - http://goo.gl/kYDLP0 |
| 05:02.33 | austeregrim | darkapp, you should just get a blocklist on your router |
| 05:02.50 | darkapp | austeregrim: but i wanna compile something from scratch |
| 05:02.52 | austeregrim | ctcpme, nice... install linux on it |
| 05:02.57 | adminewb | someone familiar with setting up pulseaudio for skype beta2.2? |
| 05:03.31 | austeregrim | then logic analyze the internet |
| 05:03.48 | darkapp | rgwu: any idea how to fix that error? |
| 05:04.14 | rgwu | darkapp: yeah |
| 05:04.28 | austeregrim | ctcpme, or logic analyze to the internet.. or something |
| 05:04.35 | rgwu | but I won't repeat austeregrim |
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| 05:04.56 | darkapp | ? |
| 05:04.56 | rgwu | Your user, 'faster', doesn't have write permissions on /usr/local/share/doc |
| 05:05.16 | rgwu | or /usr/local/share rather |
| 05:05.29 | rgwu | info chmod |
| 05:05.33 | ctcpme | bbiab, gonna hop in the shower, it's how dirty boys get clean |
| 05:05.39 | austeregrim | darkapp chmod 777 /usr/local/share |
| 05:05.53 | rgwu | as root |
| 05:05.57 | austeregrim | yeah as root |
| 05:06.09 | austeregrim | it's a share, so 777 should be acceptable |
| 05:06.17 | austeregrim | imho |
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| 05:06.26 | rgwu | 666 would be better probably |
| 05:06.37 | darkapp | same error 2 |
| 05:06.48 | darkapp | i do like the number 666 |
| 05:06.57 | rgwu | 2a9 |
| 05:06.59 | rgwu | 0x2a9 |
| 05:07.10 | rgwu | 0x29a rather |
| 05:07.31 | darkapp | so the last one then? |
| 05:07.37 | austeregrim | hexlexia rgwu? |
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| 05:08.10 | darkapp | rgwu: says invalid mode |
| 05:08.48 | rgwu | yeah, I like to embed 0x29a constants in software at work |
| 05:09.45 | darkapp | austeregrim: any other numbers to try? also what are these numbers im chmodding |
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| 05:10.15 | rgwu | permissions |
| 05:10.21 | austeregrim | darkapp 777 is allowing read write permissions for everything |
| 05:10.43 | austeregrim | try chmod 777 -r /usr/local/share |
| 05:10.48 | austeregrim | -r for recursive |
| 05:10.55 | austeregrim | that works in chmod right? |
| 05:11.03 | rgwu | 4 = read, 2 = write, 1 = execute, add them up; 3 digits: one for owner, one for group, one for others |
| 05:11.43 | rgwu | chmod 666 works fine on my machine (sanity check) |
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| 05:12.52 | rgwu | whoa, I just looked at ctcpme's link. Is he running Windows 2000 on an oscilloscope? |
| 05:13.06 | austeregrim | logic analyzer |
| 05:13.16 | rgwu | x86 I assume? |
| 05:13.20 | austeregrim | i assume also |
| 05:13.29 | darkapp | ok so any new ideas? |
| 05:13.36 | rgwu | fix permissions |
| 05:13.41 | rgwu | get past the current problem first |
| 05:13.51 | rgwu | did you attempt it as root? |
| 05:14.05 | rgwu | the permissions change |
| 05:14.08 | darkapp | chmod 777 -r /usr/local/share |
| 05:14.08 | darkapp | chmod: cannot access `777': No such file or directory |
| 05:14.23 | austeregrim | ignore the -r |
| 05:14.24 | rgwu | lol, austeregrim |
| 05:14.27 | austeregrim | my bad |
| 05:14.57 | austeregrim | ah -R |
| 05:15.02 | darkapp | tried earlier |
| 05:15.04 | austeregrim | capitalization is important |
| 05:15.05 | rgwu | darkapp: I hope you're enjoying the ride, because this project is taking what is known as the long way. |
| 05:15.14 | ctcpme | lulz |
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| 05:15.29 | darkapp | lol i am |
| 05:15.34 | austeregrim | ctcpme, is it x86? |
| 05:15.38 | rgwu | yeah |
| 05:15.39 | rgwu | is it? |
| 05:15.53 | austeregrim | its gotta be |
| 05:15.54 | darkapp | ok chmod 777 -R went through, but same error on the make && make install |
| 05:16.05 | ctcpme | yeah it's an x86 system with an interface card for the logic analyzer portion |
| 05:16.15 | ctcpme | built into a logic analyzer chassis |
| 05:16.40 | austeregrim | there must be some graphing tools that work with it |
| 05:16.42 | ctcpme | pretty standard stuff, i've got a much older one at my parent's house that runs dos |
| 05:16.58 | austeregrim | I should go pick it up |
| 05:17.09 | austeregrim | not that I have a use for it |
| 05:17.16 | ctcpme | yeah we're gonna have to talk about that, but that'll be a convo for later ;) |
| 05:17.19 | rgwu | so it's a fancy oscilloscope for digital circuits? |
| 05:17.24 | ctcpme | yeah pretty much |
| 05:17.47 | ctcpme | i'm rebuilding an led sign, it's running a z80 processor with a custom rom at the moment and doesn't seem to have any kind of serial interface |
| 05:18.07 | rgwu | I've got an old 100mhz analog scope. Alas, it doesn't run Windows. |
| 05:18.27 | ctcpme | so replacing the z80 with an arduino, maybe a raspberry pi. but before i do that, gonna see what the stock stuff does and get a hang of how it's driving the sign |
| 05:18.48 | rgwu | Man, I hang out with really lame people compared to you. |
| 05:18.56 | ctcpme | i should probably write an article while i'm doing this, make good hack a day material or something, idk |
| 05:19.06 | darkapp | austeregrim: any more ideas on how to fix the error? |
| 05:19.12 | austeregrim | I wish he had brought it down this weekend |
| 05:19.24 | austeregrim | darkapp, I haven't seen the error |
| 05:19.28 | ctcpme | alright, be back in another bit, gonna walk over to the mall and watch elesyium or however the fuck it's spelled |
| 05:19.38 | ctcpme | irc for google glass... that would be cool |
| 05:19.44 | austeregrim | lol |
| 05:19.55 | austeregrim | darkapp, post the link again |
| 05:20.05 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39915/ |
| 05:20.15 | rgwu | lol |
| 05:20.16 | austeregrim | this seems like a futile effort, but I'll look at it |
| 05:20.32 | rgwu | g++ not foun |
| 05:20.34 | rgwu | d |
| 05:20.39 | darkapp | if theres a computer theres a way! |
| 05:20.55 | darkapp | no g++ command not found |
| 05:20.56 | austeregrim | ... |
| 05:21.06 | austeregrim | apt-get install g++ |
| 05:21.07 | rgwu | apt-get install g++ |
| 05:21.11 | austeregrim | damn |
| 05:21.12 | rgwu | it's the c++ compiler |
| 05:21.14 | rgwu | you need it |
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| 05:21.36 | darkapp | ya i know c++ |
| 05:21.37 | austeregrim | rgwu, did yours show up first or mine? |
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| 05:21.44 | ctcpme | darkapp... starts in the morning... by the time he gets done installing this app, it's already dark out |
| 05:21.49 | rgwu | yours |
| 05:21.51 | darkapp | wouldve sworn i had g++ |
| 05:22.04 | darkapp | well my nick is darkapp |
| 05:22.05 | austeregrim | that was perfect timing |
| 05:22.27 | darkapp | i thinks its working |
| 05:22.34 | rgwu | Here we go... |
| 05:22.36 | darkapp | taking a while anyway |
| 05:22.48 | darkapp | NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:23.10 | darkapp | make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 05:23.11 | ctcpme | i'll have to read this when i get back, this is comedy gold right here |
| 05:23.14 | darkapp | so close |
| 05:23.16 | darkapp | cries |
| 05:23.21 | rgwu | no |
| 05:23.24 | rgwu | you're not close |
| 05:23.35 | rgwu | You're probably almost halfway there. |
| 05:23.41 | darkapp | shit |
| 05:23.54 | darkapp | can i smoke another cigarette? |
| 05:23.59 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 05:24.00 | rgwu | No |
| 05:24.04 | austeregrim | this is the part my brain turns to jelly... I need a beer |
| 05:24.06 | ctcpme | high fives darkapp |
| 05:24.10 | ctcpme | alright really leaving now |
| 05:24.13 | rgwu | later |
| 05:24.17 | ctcpme | bbiab |
| 05:24.18 | darkapp | bye ctcpme |
| 05:24.20 | yngling | this will build your character, young grasshopper |
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| 05:25.36 | yngling | debian has build-essentials packages? |
| 05:25.47 | yngling | -s |
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| 05:27.00 | slick0_ | body building? |
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| 05:27.35 | austeregrim | darkapp, whats before the error 1? or are you smoking? |
| 05:28.27 | rgwu | he'll be back at 00:37 CST |
| 05:28.36 | rgwu | Marlboro 1000's and all |
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| 05:28.42 | austeregrim | not if he takes a leak |
| 05:28.46 | austeregrim | well |
| 05:28.49 | austeregrim | not if he doesnt |
| 05:29.32 | n0c | ctcpme: what client is that |
| 05:29.33 | yngling | slick0_, no, lmde has build-essentials, which installs everything necessary to build packages |
| 05:29.51 | austeregrim | n0c, he's away |
| 05:30.00 | austeregrim | maybe I can answer your questions |
| 05:30.01 | slick0_ | whats lmde? |
| 05:30.04 | n0c | ah, i'm back in scrollback |
| 05:30.11 | slick0_ | this is deabian |
| 05:30.25 | yngling | lmde == linux mint debian edition |
| 05:30.34 | slick0_ | this is debian |
| 05:30.45 | slick0_ | !ot yngling |
| 05:31.13 | austeregrim | n0c, are you looking at the logic analyzer picture? |
| 05:31.19 | n0c | yea |
| 05:31.32 | austeregrim | it's running windows 2000... |
| 05:31.35 | n0c | i think bx and irssi can do the vertical pane of chans and nicklist |
| 05:31.50 | n0c | yeah there's a putty session to a console irc client pic too |
| 05:31.56 | rgwu | if anyone wants to see the output from my tictactoe program in python: http://paste.debian.net/39916/ |
| 05:32.19 | austeregrim | n0c, it looks like he's using putty |
| 05:32.27 | n0c | correct |
| 05:32.30 | slick0_ | freaks |
| 05:32.35 | austeregrim | to a server |
| 05:32.46 | BostonMA1776 | Hello? |
| 05:32.51 | austeregrim | that server running boybu |
| 05:33.00 | austeregrim | weechat I think |
| 05:33.13 | darkapp | back |
| 05:33.19 | slick0_ | lmde is jihadist distro |
| 05:33.25 | rgwu | darkapp: http://paste.debian.net/39916/ |
| 05:33.25 | darkapp | ok lo incomin |
| 05:33.38 | slick0_ | with all that green you can go wrong |
| 05:33.47 | slick0_ | cant |
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| 05:34.59 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39918/ |
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| 05:35.41 | austeregrim | darkapp, chmod 666 -R /usr/local |
| 05:35.48 | rgwu | darkapp: are you running 'make install' as root? |
| 05:35.59 | darkapp | ya |
| 05:36.36 | darkapp | same error after the chmod |
| 05:36.43 | rgwu | austeregrim: maybe the chmod wasn't advised? |
| 05:36.46 | rgwu | on that dir |
| 05:37.11 | slick0_ | lots of chat in this channel today |
| 05:37.33 | n0c | indeed |
| 05:37.55 | jcbjoe | is anyone on sid that updated from wheezy or is on testing that upgraded from wheezy ? |
| 05:37.57 | austeregrim | /bin/mkdir -p '/usr/local/etc/cron.daily' |
| 05:37.57 | austeregrim | /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/etc/cron.daily': Permission denied |
| 05:37.58 | slick0_ | in fact |
| 05:37.59 | n0c | >> (05:37) (n0c[+Zi]) (12:freenode/#debian[+CLPcflnt]) (1332 nicks (@2 1330)) |
| 05:38.05 | n0c | might have someting to do with that ^ |
| 05:38.07 | n0c | :P |
| 05:38.30 | slick0_ | 1332 nicks? |
| 05:38.35 | n0c | but it was at >1400 prior |
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| 05:38.44 | slick0_ | you mean fakes? |
| 05:38.48 | Impossible_ | hey guys |
| 05:38.57 | jcbjoe | nobody can sleep thats why |
| 05:38.57 | rgwu | Impossible! |
| 05:39.05 | Impossible_ | rgwu! |
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| 05:39.27 | rgwu | yes? |
| 05:39.29 | n0c | jcbjoe: irssi, bro |
| 05:39.40 | rgwu | yeah, irssi is the way of the future |
| 05:39.53 | Impossible_ | how come i cant extract a file |
| 05:39.57 | rgwu | don't know |
| 05:39.59 | Impossible_ | i do -Z in terminal |
| 05:40.07 | slick0_ | heresy |
| 05:40.08 | rgwu | what kind of a file? |
| 05:40.08 | n0c | because it's Impossibru |
| 05:40.09 | jcbjoe | n0c: i used to love irssi |
| 05:40.19 | rgwu | n0c: nice |
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| 05:40.34 | Impossible_ | :( |
| 05:41.16 | darkapp | austeregrim: any other ideas? |
| 05:41.19 | darkapp | austeregrim: so.... ? |
| 05:41.20 | darkapp | i did sudo |
| 05:41.21 | undertide | I downloaded debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso and copied it to my USB drive, tried to boot to USB but it said there's no bootable image. What step an I missing to make it bootable and do a netinstall? |
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| 05:41.39 | jcbjoe | 22:38:47 Impossible_ | hey guys < 00 he stated 2 mins |
| 05:41.41 | austeregrim | darkapp, you've got some lag |
| 05:41.44 | sigod | is it possible to update mesa to 9.2 on squeeze? |
| 05:41.47 | rgwu | undertide: define copy |
| 05:41.49 | darkapp | yes i do |
| 05:41.59 | austeregrim | darkapp, you should turn off your torrents |
| 05:42.00 | austeregrim | lol |
| 05:42.02 | undertide | rgwu: drag & drop in nautilus |
| 05:42.03 | darkapp | i am on the tor node |
| 05:42.14 | rgwu | undertide: why did you think that would work? |
| 05:42.20 | undertide | because I'm dumb |
| 05:42.26 | darkapp | lol, its just cause im on the tor node |
| 05:42.26 | rgwu | lol. Ok. |
| 05:42.31 | n0c | need to actually use cp and sync |
| 05:42.40 | n0c | it's right in the installation guide |
| 05:42.46 | n0c | undertide: ^ |
| 05:42.55 | rgwu | or dd |
| 05:43.02 | austeregrim | darkapp, not sure what else to do... it looks like you don't have permissions to do what you're tryig to do |
| 05:43.16 | darkapp | umm i own this computer |
| 05:43.24 | rgwu | lol |
| 05:43.25 | n0c | LOLLLLLLLLLL |
| 05:43.27 | n0c | oh man |
| 05:43.29 | austeregrim | darkapp, so it sounds like you're not doing it as root |
| 05:43.32 | n0c | thanks for making my night |
| 05:43.34 | rgwu | good stuff |
| 05:44.16 | darkapp | ok i did su root |
| 05:44.26 | darkapp | i dont see any error messages..... |
| 05:44.30 | rgwu | isn't that redundant? |
| 05:44.46 | austeregrim | rgwu, yes and no |
| 05:44.58 | austeregrim | su just implies root |
| 05:45.05 | darkapp | i think it installed |
| 05:45.08 | austeregrim | su root enforces it |
| 05:45.19 | n0c | enforced |
| 05:45.24 | austeregrim | lol |
| 05:45.29 | darkapp | u can do su username, therefore i decided to make sure i was clear |
| 05:45.30 | slick0_ | nforce |
| 05:45.31 | austeregrim | or reenforces |
| 05:45.34 | darkapp | is this rlly a discussion? |
| 05:45.59 | n0c | sudo usermod -aG {adm,root} darkapp |
| 05:46.02 | slick0_ | got root? |
| 05:46.10 | austeregrim | I really hate corona extras |
| 05:46.18 | rgwu | you need lime |
| 05:46.22 | austeregrim | yeah |
| 05:46.23 | austeregrim | I do |
| 05:46.28 | slick0_ | coroner |
| 05:46.35 | undertide | rgwu and n0c: thanks for pointing me there, it is clear if I know exactly where to look, but it wasn't easy to find that place, heh |
| 05:46.36 | rgwu | Lime's won't help my can of Busch |
| 05:46.50 | n0c | undertide: yeah no problem |
| 05:46.51 | rgwu | undertide: np |
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| 05:46.57 | n0c | good job reading |
| 05:47.05 | austeregrim | waiting for the budlights to cool down |
| 05:47.07 | slick0_ | can i adevertise coke? |
| 05:47.12 | austeregrim | no |
| 05:47.24 | slick0_ | Enjoy Coke |
| 05:47.28 | rgwu | lol |
| 05:47.31 | darkapp | how do i start the program? |
| 05:47.37 | n0c | /nick PolarBear |
| 05:47.38 | rgwu | ... |
| 05:47.46 | austeregrim | say "Computer run program ..." |
| 05:47.47 | rgwu | darkapp: what program? |
| 05:47.59 | lautriv | hey there ;) anyone using iscsi and could help me with a small issue regarding shutdown/reboot ? |
| 05:47.59 | darkapp | peeruardian -___- |
| 05:48.01 | rgwu | guffaws |
| 05:48.09 | n0c | /path/to/app |
| 05:48.10 | darkapp | the one ive been installing this whole time |
| 05:48.20 | austeregrim | compiling |
| 05:48.22 | austeregrim | not installing |
| 05:48.26 | rgwu | did you specify a prefix not in your path? |
| 05:48.26 | slick0_ | load """ Enter |
| 05:48.46 | austeregrim | did you make install? |
| 05:48.56 | darkapp | ya |
| 05:49.06 | rgwu | darkapp: like make --prefix=/usr/loca/donthavepermissions ? |
| 05:49.08 | n0c | look in your terminal's scrollback |
| 05:49.08 | slick0_ | ./ name_of_binnary |
| 05:49.13 | n0c | should tell you where it went |
| 05:49.46 | darkapp | ok too much help |
| 05:49.50 | austeregrim | it probably went in /bin/ |
| 05:49.55 | darkapp | austeregrim: what should i do? |
| 05:50.01 | austeregrim | so in theory you should just call it |
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| 05:50.11 | n0c | if not, do find / -type f -mmin -5 |
| 05:50.18 | darkapp | picks up his cellphone |
| 05:50.23 | lautriv | or use 'which' |
| 05:50.40 | rgwu | darkapp: android can't bail you out of this one |
| 05:50.53 | darkapp | lol |
| 05:50.54 | rgwu | which won't work if it's not in the path |
| 05:51.04 | rgwu | lautriv ^ |
| 05:51.17 | darkapp | im in the path i think |
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| 05:51.25 | lautriv | rgwu, sure, it was reflected to the "probably in /bin" |
| 05:51.27 | darkapp | same path i was doing the make install? |
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| 05:51.50 | rgwu | only if you specified a prefix |
| 05:52.00 | darkapp | ? |
| 05:52.06 | rgwu | then you didn't |
| 05:52.16 | rgwu | you sure the make install succeeded? |
| 05:52.20 | jcbjoe | qusetion .. instead of going to debinas website to find a backport can i search it from the command line |
| 05:52.29 | darkapp | no want the log? |
| 05:52.31 | rgwu | jcbjoe: links |
| 05:52.40 | rgwu | the log? |
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| 05:52.43 | jcbjoe | rgwu: with aptitude or apt |
| 05:52.43 | pav5088 | Hi... do any brave souls here using OpenLDAP? I'm trying to get client side certs working, and because the Debian packages use GnuTLS I can't get help in #openldap? |
| 05:53.05 | rgwu | jcbjoe: links <url to website> |
| 05:53.19 | rgwu | command line browser |
| 05:53.25 | austeregrim | linx |
| 05:53.27 | rgwu | harhar |
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| 05:53.39 | jcbjoe | yes its a cli but i want to search for backports via the command line with aptitude or apt |
| 05:53.47 | lautriv | pav5088, i was there in the past, best you can do is to compile your own b/c the decision to not use ssl was dumb. |
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| 05:54.31 | jcbjoe | i found it |
| 05:54.33 | rgwu | austeregrim: links symlinked to lynx? |
| 05:54.52 | austeregrim | is it |
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| 05:55.07 | rgwu | I remember using "links" on gentoo back in the day to find mirrors. |
| 05:55.13 | rgwu | or I remember wrong |
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| 05:55.50 | austeregrim | i have no idea... i haven't touched gentoo in, forever, or ever. |
| 05:56.03 | UserError | Does anyone know what the minimal Xorg packages needed to run a DE with the intel drivers are |
| 05:56.07 | UserError | without using metas |
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| 05:56.14 | slick0_ | i used gentoo armyops edition |
| 05:56.17 | darkapp | goddamn this lag |
| 05:56.26 | slick0_ | nice game |
| 05:56.30 | rgwu | darkapp: change irc servers |
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| 05:56.52 | austeregrim | rgwu, he's behind the tor... he's going to lag no matter what irc server |
| 05:56.59 | darkapp | <rgwu> the log? |
| 05:57.02 | rgwu | oh yeah |
| 05:57.13 | darkapp | the feedback i got after the install finished |
| 05:57.17 | rgwu | what log? you were looking for an executable |
| 05:57.18 | slick0_ | rgwu, are you FBI? |
| 05:57.31 | austeregrim | rgwu, wouldn't surprise me if he was getting messages mixed up too. |
| 05:57.37 | rgwu | slick0: no, but just as annoying |
| 05:57.48 | UserError | IRS? |
| 05:57.54 | UserError | i kid i kid |
| 05:57.54 | rgwu | no, close |
| 05:58.02 | rgwu | I DO work for the gov |
| 05:58.05 | slick0_ | RIAA |
| 05:58.08 | austeregrim | rgwu, me too |
| 05:58.12 | UserError | not a govt agency |
| 05:58.15 | UserError | rgwu i know where u work |
| 05:58.29 | slick0_ | nop the gov is working for RIAA |
| 05:58.31 | rgwu | UserError: not another govt agency |
| 05:58.31 | UserError | http://www.nist.gov/pml/wmd/ |
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| 05:58.56 | rgwu | lol |
| 05:58.59 | UserError | ;) |
| 05:59.16 | slick0_ | whats funny? |
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| 05:59.24 | rgwu | austeregrim: which dept. you work for? |
| 05:59.46 | n0c | UserError: are the desktop-blah metas too much for you? |
| 05:59.46 | slick0_ | i bet he works for the pentagram |
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| 05:59.49 | austeregrim | rgwu, I can't disclose |
| 05:59.52 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39928/ |
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| 06:00.14 | rgwu | austeregrim: can't decide if you serious. |
| 06:00.15 | UserError | n0c yes |
| 06:00.21 | rgwu | We'll assume yes. |
| 06:00.24 | austeregrim | rgwu, I am. |
| 06:00.26 | UserError | i need an exact package count n0c |
| 06:00.31 | n0c | i think then xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 06:00.34 | darkapp | rgwu: is it installed? |
| 06:00.35 | n0c | will install the xserver deps |
| 06:00.48 | n0c | and then lightdm or xdm if you want a login manager |
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| 06:00.50 | n0c | then your wm |
| 06:00.59 | UserError | do you know how heavy lightdm is |
| 06:01.00 | rgwu | darkapp: uh? |
| 06:01.06 | n0c | i do not |
| 06:01.10 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39928/ |
| 06:01.12 | austeregrim | UserError, "light"? |
| 06:01.13 | UserError | I realize it's not slim |
| 06:01.21 | rgwu | lightdm's not bad |
| 06:01.25 | slick0_ | there should be a NSA channel cause they know all about *nix |
| 06:01.27 | UserError | aust, before canotical went crazy on it it was super heavy |
| 06:01.28 | n0c | last shitty box i installed debian on (powerbook g4) i just installed openbox |
| 06:01.31 | UserError | it pulled in around 200MB |
| 06:01.33 | n0c | no login manager |
| 06:01.34 | UserError | with recommends |
| 06:01.41 | darkapp | #NSAarefaggets |
| 06:01.55 | rgwu | and you were doing so well |
| 06:01.57 | UserError | dark, the NSA isn't all the same agency it is split up |
| 06:02.00 | UserError | into different nodes |
| 06:02.07 | UserError | so the people doing useful commits |
| 06:02.09 | n0c | different nerds |
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| 06:02.11 | UserError | are not the same |
| 06:02.16 | UserError | as the people taking all the keys |
| 06:02.17 | slick0_ | maning is a faqg |
| 06:02.20 | darkapp | #MostOfTheNSAAreFagets? |
| 06:02.30 | UserError | Then again, why am I trying to be rational on IRC |
| 06:02.30 | austeregrim | UserError, knows what he is talking about |
| 06:02.32 | darkapp | rgwu: i need to finish this |
| 06:02.41 | darkapp | how do i make the program run? |
| 06:02.46 | slick0_ | err i mean shellsea |
| 06:02.52 | n0c | schedule it with a cron job! |
| 06:02.53 | rgwu | darkapp: scare it |
| 06:03.02 | darkapp | lol |
| 06:03.10 | n0c | dynamically link it's shared libraries at runtime! |
| 06:03.18 | n0c | its |
| 06:03.26 | austeregrim | run it's binaries from the command line |
| 06:03.30 | darkapp | seriously? |
| 06:03.41 | rgwu | did it compile? |
| 06:03.43 | rgwu | finally |
| 06:03.52 | slick0_ | a friend of mine tells me linux is a cleaver plan to make unamerican developer go nuts |
| 06:04.04 | n0c | chown -R us:us /all_your_base |
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| 06:04.08 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/39928/ |
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| 06:04.16 | UserError | n0c , the drivers depend on core, which depends on common :\ |
| 06:04.20 | rgwu | n0c: lol |
| 06:04.25 | UserError | sighs |
| 06:04.28 | UserError | i hate |
| 06:04.28 | darkapp | rgwu: http://paste.debian.net/39928/ |
| 06:04.29 | slick0_ | fedora core? |
| 06:04.33 | UserError | x11 |
| 06:04.39 | UserError | is a nightmare in debian and ubuntu |
| 06:04.41 | n0c | UserError: oh |
| 06:04.45 | n0c | that sucks |
| 06:04.53 | rgwu | darkapp: you try pg<tab><tab> and see what comes up? |
| 06:04.55 | rgwu | from bash |
| 06:04.59 | austeregrim | darkapp, pglgui |
| 06:05.00 | n0c | i'd say roll without the intel drivers |
| 06:05.04 | n0c | do you actually need them? |
| 06:05.06 | UserError | yes |
| 06:05.10 | n0c | the gma shit is wack anyways |
| 06:05.11 | n0c | ok |
| 06:05.13 | slick0_ | IBM is asking us all what the next killer app? |
| 06:05.14 | UserError | not GMA |
| 06:05.16 | UserError | HD |
| 06:05.23 | n0c | 3-4-5000? |
| 06:05.28 | darkapp | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key** Warning: pglgui: cannot connect to X server :0 |
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| 06:05.36 | austeregrim | lol |
| 06:05.37 | slick0_ | := |
| 06:05.38 | rgwu | ... |
| 06:05.38 | n0c | oh |
| 06:05.40 | n0c | darkapp: |
| 06:05.41 | slick0_ | :0 |
| 06:05.47 | UserError | Nest killer app is estimating bad weather using the cell gps and camera |
| 06:05.47 | austeregrim | heh |
| 06:05.47 | rgwu | boom! |
| 06:05.50 | darkapp | yes mr n0c |
| 06:05.51 | n0c | that just means you didn't use enough baking soda in the cookie recipe |
| 06:05.53 | slick0_ | panick smillie |
| 06:06.00 | UserError | and a-gps |
| 06:06.05 | n0c | go back and rewrite the Makefile |
| 06:06.14 | n0c | in the directory with the source you extracted |
| 06:06.17 | UserError | that way you have a custom weather report based on your exact location |
| 06:06.17 | austeregrim | add more baking soda |
| 06:06.19 | rgwu | darkapp: as I told you 2 hours ago before I started drinking, this project needs to be abandoned. |
| 06:06.21 | n0c | naw i'm JK i'm just being a dick right now |
| 06:06.23 | slick0_ | ebian supports GPS? |
| 06:06.28 | n0c | ./configure --with-raisins |
| 06:06.32 | UserError | slick0, yes |
| 06:06.37 | rgwu | darkapp: If you don't believe, repeat the initial requirements to these guys. |
| 06:06.39 | UserError | also, it runs on phones |
| 06:06.41 | darkapp | rgwu: im two hours in, i can not quit now |
| 06:06.47 | austeregrim | ./configure --extra-baking-soda |
| 06:06.52 | slick0_ | what phones? |
| 06:07.00 | UserError | Isn't firefoxos in a deb chroot? |
| 06:07.04 | n0c | ./configure --with-raisins --with-oatmeal --chocolate-chunk-plz |
| 06:07.10 | darkapp | austeregrim: pls help, if i have to quit now ill cry |
| 06:07.13 | UserError | check FFOS's chan |
| 06:07.21 | UserError | i haven't looked at it in a long time |
| 06:07.23 | darkapp | pretends to be a pretty girl high on mdma |
| 06:07.27 | rgwu | darkapp: crying will spoil your Marlboro 1000's |
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| 06:07.35 | darkapp | 100s! |
| 06:07.36 | n0c | 1000s wow |
| 06:07.38 | UserError | darkapp, pretty girls are on roxys |
| 06:07.44 | austeregrim | darkapp, it can't connect to your xserver.... are you running x? |
| 06:07.46 | n0c | those are 10 times as slutty as 100s |
| 06:07.50 | rgwu | n0c: his cig breaks take 14 minutes |
| 06:07.55 | n0c | lol |
| 06:07.59 | darkapp | austeregrim: idk wat that is :'( |
| 06:08.04 | n0c | cigarettes are bad as fuck for you stop smoking |
| 06:08.04 | UserError | puff and stroke at the same damn tiem |
| 06:08.10 | austeregrim | sigh |
| 06:08.14 | rgwu | lol |
| 06:08.17 | austeregrim | duckduckgo it |
| 06:08.26 | rgwu | ok |
| 06:08.29 | austeregrim | duckduckgo the error |
| 06:08.29 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 06:08.38 | austeregrim | or google it |
| 06:08.44 | n0c | dog just dreamed himself into a headbanging session.. cute |
| 06:08.46 | yngling | "take it to the duck" |
| 06:08.46 | austeregrim | or yahoo it! |
| 06:08.54 | austeregrim | they have a new logo |
| 06:08.56 | n0c | looks like the oldsk00l spaceghost xmms plugin |
| 06:09.19 | austeregrim | askjeeves it |
| 06:09.23 | austeregrim | he's knows everything |
| 06:09.25 | rgwu | austeregrim: it's been fun. I need some sleep. Say hey to ctcpme. |
| 06:09.30 | austeregrim | true |
| 06:09.41 | austeregrim | enjoy the sleep |
| 06:09.44 | n0c | altavista knows more than that smug, pudgy bastard jeeves |
| 06:09.46 | UserError | There are custom bang syntaxes for question sites and linux sites |
| 06:09.47 | UserError | in DDG |
| 06:09.52 | UserError | I know this because i submitted most of them |
| 06:10.14 | austeregrim | or dogpile it |
| 06:10.21 | austeregrim | does dogpile still exist? |
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| 06:10.38 | slick0_ | the iphone runs on linux |
| 06:10.38 | UserError | Yes, right below an inch of angelfire tears |
| 06:10.41 | yngling | or mamma |
| 06:10.45 | austeregrim | I feel like I'm bringing up websites from the late 2000's |
| 06:10.46 | UserError | iPhone runs on Unix |
| 06:10.48 | UserError | Mach |
| 06:11.04 | UserError | gnuMad? |
| 06:11.05 | slick0_ | a friend of mine tells me debian is a freebsd wannbe |
| 06:11.19 | UserError | A friend of yours uses apt on Cydia |
| 06:11.30 | UserError | and shouldn't be listened to |
| 06:11.30 | n0c | OH SHIT |
| 06:11.33 | n0c | call the burn unit |
| 06:11.38 | n0c | dude got torched |
| 06:11.52 | slick0_ | debian alread ahve the freebsd kernel |
| 06:12.03 | UserError | Really? Because I see modules, modules everywhere. |
| 06:12.03 | n0c | and debian userland |
| 06:12.07 | n0c | kfreebsd |
| 06:12.12 | n0c | it's a toy though |
| 06:12.17 | slick0_ | i stoped trusting freeBSD after they changed the logo |
| 06:12.22 | n0c | just like dragonflybsd |
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| 06:13.50 | Artemis3 | slick0_, it is gentoo who copied freebsd, actually. |
| 06:13.58 | slick0_ | i stoped using ubuntu after they discontinued the satanic edition |
| 06:14.04 | austeregrim | lol |
| 06:14.33 | austeregrim | wasn't that 08? |
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| 06:15.31 | jcbjoe | i installed my first backport im happy and now i can retire / gnight |
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| 06:15.48 | jcbjoe | j/k smoke break |
| 06:16.13 | Artemis3 | slick0_, considering it was just a series of themes, wallpapers and such, i see no reason why they didn't keep it updated in a repo somewhere |
| 06:16.34 | darkapp | im going to sleep |
| 06:16.40 | darkapp | bye irc people |
| 06:16.57 | UserError | people? I'm a bot |
| 06:17.17 | austeregrim | bot mode enabled |
| 06:17.54 | slick0_ | the pentagram guys stoped caring |
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| 06:20.19 | mdghbrhn | Hello, please I am trying to setup my VPS according to this tutorial here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-wheezy-nginx-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3-p3 ; and I am stuck at this step where it says: (Now run "echo server1.example.com > /etc/hostname" and "/etc/init.d/hostname.sh start" |
| 06:20.59 | mdghbrhn | my host name is (do) so please help me how to adjust that settings ? |
| 06:21.15 | austeregrim | echo do > /etc/hostname |
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| 06:22.27 | austeregrim | or whatever your hostname should be |
| 06:22.41 | mdghbrhn | austeregrim: this is a snapshot => http://i.imgur.com/W34pQlW.png |
| 06:23.35 | jcbjoe | im assuming to remove a backuport its the same as installing ? |
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| 06:23.46 | mdghbrhn | I am a bit confused for the right settings |
| 06:23.55 | jcbjoe | apt-get remove -t wheezy-backports package ? |
| 06:23.58 | jcbjoe | or do i just remove it ? |
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| 06:24.26 | austeregrim | mdghbrhn, it's telling you to add that line into your hostname file |
| 06:24.28 | pippo | hi |
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| 06:24.39 | pippo | !list |
| 06:24.39 | dpkg | pippo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 06:24.48 | austeregrim | mdghbrhn, then to check to make sure hostname and hostname -f are the same when ran |
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| 06:25.14 | sigod | is it possible to update mesa to 9.2 on squeeze? |
| 06:25.31 | darkapp | p4fsi4ockecnea7l.onion/6697 is the onion for freenode |
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| 06:25.46 | darkapp | wrong channel |
| 06:25.51 | yngling | lol |
| 06:25.59 | mdghbrhn | austeregrim: this is my host file: => http://i.imgur.com/cOOjjir.png |
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| 06:26.22 | Artemis3 | darkapp, its always nice to enter from tor, or maybe not too much.. |
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| 06:27.24 | darkapp | Artemis3: fuck the government, let them try and track me! |
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| 06:27.44 | austeregrim | mdghbrhn, ... does hostname and hostname -f report the same thing? |
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| 06:28.54 | austeregrim | if it does, then that step appears to be done |
| 06:29.12 | mdghbrhn | hostname => do | hostname -f => localhost |
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| 06:30.29 | austeregrim | rename your hostname file to something else... then do that step "echo do > /etc/hostname |
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| 06:31.09 | somiaj | hostname I think is based off of dns resolution. so modify /etc/hosts |
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| 06:31.26 | maxyz | mdghbrhn: check /etc/hosts hostname -f searchs for a with the do alias |
| 06:31.50 | austeregrim | others know better |
| 06:31.53 | mdghbrhn | austeregrim: any preferences to the name of the hostfile name ? or it could be anything ? |
| 06:32.20 | austeregrim | I'm just suggesting to replace it with something new... rename it to hostname_old or something |
| 06:32.34 | mdghbrhn | maxyz: my hostname is do |
| 06:32.35 | austeregrim | but someone else probably knows better than me |
| 06:32.50 | maxyz | mdghbrhn: The debian installation adds a line 127.0.1.1 do.domain do |
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| 06:33.08 | maxyz | So hostname -f returns do.domain |
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| 06:33.23 | maxyz | (outputs) |
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| 06:37.55 | boycey | Hi everyone. I connected to my debian box and started a process, then i got disconnected. Now i log back in, process is still running. How can i switch to the process again via console ? |
| 06:38.10 | boycey | (using ssh) |
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| 06:39.06 | mdghbrhn | http://i.imgur.com/cOOjjir.png => shall I type my IP here under the line where it says "127.0.0.1" |
| 06:39.09 | maxyz | boycey: unless its been run inside a screen or tmux you can't |
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| 06:39.31 | boycey | maxyz: so i just have to kill it? |
| 06:39.43 | socomm | Kill it? |
| 06:39.55 | boycey | kill #process |
| 06:40.13 | boycey | if i can't use it, i have to kill it. ( ? ) |
| 06:40.32 | socomm | I remember getting in trouble for emailing in a previous job for saying I was going to "kill users" in reference to disconnecting users from mysql. |
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| 06:40.52 | pippo | ciao |
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| 06:41.14 | pippo | !lista |
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| 06:41.25 | socomm | mdghbrhn: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:41.30 | socomm | pippo: english |
| 06:41.47 | pippo | pippo ita |
| 06:41.49 | maxyz | mdghbrhn: Any ip in the 127.0.0.1/8 is good enough and those are still available when you change networks. :) |
| 06:42.13 | maxyz | mdghbrhn: Well, 127.0.0.1 is taken so, chose another one. :) |
| 06:42.18 | mdghbrhn | socomm: I am trying to setup the vps using the mentioned tutorial because I do not know linux so I need a backend control panel |
| 06:42.38 | socomm | mdghbrhn: ok |
| 06:42.55 | mdghbrhn | socomm: Thanks :) |
| 06:43.06 | jcbjoe | hey maxyz |
| 06:43.07 | boycey | if i'm torrenting on an AWS vps, do you think anyone will notice ? |
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| 06:43.42 | boycey | just figured I'd throw that question out there… lol |
| 06:43.46 | somiaj | and how is this a debian question? Why not go ask amazone what their policies are. |
| 06:43.47 | fetoega | What is your favourite Monospaced font of the following at 7pt, 8pt and 9pt 1.Adobe Source Code Pro 2.Ubuntu Mono 3.Freedroid Mono 4.Liberation Mono? I can not quite decide between them. Ubuntu Mono has a few drawbacks at 7pt where ASCP really shines. But at larger sizes the latter is just plain ugly. |
| 06:44.00 | socomm | pippo: Dobbiamo solo parlare inglese qui |
| 06:44.02 | jcbjoe | anyways i don't think this got answerd .. how do you search backports besides the backports.debian.org .. i have a put the backuporta in my sources.list / updated 1 package buti want to search all the backuprorts via the command line |
| 06:44.25 | socomm | fetoega: I use Adobe Source Code. |
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| 06:45.01 | socomm | jcbjoe: apt-cache search' |
| 06:45.05 | boycey | somiaj: too scared |
| 06:45.41 | socomm | boycey: get a vpn |
| 06:45.44 | pippo | pippo nice day |
| 06:45.46 | fetoega | socomm: Yeah i really like that one too. You can fit a lot of source code at 7pt and still be readable. |
| 06:46.22 | socomm | tiem for bed |
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| 06:46.36 | somiaj | boycey: I'm sure they monintor most their traffic, what actually trigers their policy is usually left as a mystery |
| 06:47.09 | maxyz | jcbjoe: hey ; boycey: there some cheap torrent boxes out there. |
| 06:47.52 | boycey | maxyz: somiaj: yeah but i'm getting speeds of 12mb/s on AWS. incredible =D |
| 06:48.17 | socomm | why do people still torrent? there hasn't been anything worth torrenting in the last 7 years |
| 06:48.23 | socomm | maybe im getting old |
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| 06:49.28 | yngling | eases server load for distros? |
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| 06:59.11 | slick0_ | im using e-donkey |
| 06:59.26 | slick0_ | emule |
| 06:59.41 | slick0_ | dc++ |
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| 07:32.27 | MonkWitDaFunk | Hi #debian. |
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| 07:38.01 | Shtl | Hi i hav accidentally deleted partition can i recover data from it? |
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| 07:41.04 | maxyz | Shtl: Just the partition table or you wrote something in the disk? |
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| 07:43.24 | maxyz | Shtl: if you just deleted the partition table. |
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| 07:43.43 | maxyz | Sorry, you can use something like gpart |
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| 07:50.19 | ctcpme | *yawn* |
| 07:51.05 | ctcpme | elysium was alright |
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| 07:58.33 | NickG2013a | run run |
| 07:59.29 | ctcpme | nah man, i'll sit here |
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| 08:09.29 | mdghbrhn | what is the good domain register I can use and depend on it with no issues ? |
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| 08:11.04 | mumpitze1 | mdghbrhn: this is a debian question how? |
| 08:11.17 | mumpitze1 | and the domain register you have to use depends on the TLD you want |
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| 08:11.27 | calbasi | a lot of them, I supose :-p |
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| 08:24.30 | valgrind | sudo apt-get install doxygen Need to get 630 MB of archives. wth |
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| 08:28.28 | monkwitdafunk | Hi debian as a file server must work great |
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| 08:29.20 | n3rV3 | monkwitdafunk: compile a custom kernel for that and it will work even better |
| 08:29.29 | monkwitdafunk | Ok |
| 08:30.02 | monkwitdafunk | I guess i have to find the right packages |
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| 08:30.45 | n3rV3 | monkwitdafunk: so you are searching for packages to build a fileserver? |
| 08:30.57 | monkwitdafunk | I think i need to rearrange my ethernet |
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| 08:32.01 | n3rV3 | ohh alright |
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| 08:32.25 | monkwitdafunk | Well i gotta figure out networking. I like the idea of no direct connection off a switch |
| 08:32.27 | ctcpme | ethernet can get messy sometimes |
| 08:32.44 | monkwitdafunk | Yeah. Point to.point |
| 08:32.56 | monkwitdafunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.58 | monkwitdafunk | Topology |
| 08:33.05 | sigod | is it possible to build mesa 9.2 on squeeze? |
| 08:33.12 | mumpitze1 | monkwitdafunk: for how many hosts? |
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| 08:33.32 | monkwitdafunk | No. Just one file server |
| 08:33.33 | martin-_- | hi |
| 08:33.35 | monkwitdafunk | Just one |
| 08:33.43 | martin-_- | normaly i restart gnome with alt + f2 |
| 08:33.47 | martin-_- | and type restart |
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| 08:33.55 | martin-_- | but how can i restart gnome by a shell script? |
| 08:34.36 | mumpitze1 | ,depends libgl1-mesa-glx experimental |
| 08:34.37 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-glx in experimental/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), libglapi-mesa (= 9.2-1), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.99.1), libx11-xcb1, libxcb-dri2-0 (>= 1.8), libxcb-glx0 (>= 1.8), libxcb1, libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxxf86vm1,multiarch-support. |
| 08:35.01 | mumpitze1 | sigod: I don't think so. see the dependencies |
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| 08:35.24 | mumpitze1 | you'd probably need a totally new Xorg too |
| 08:35.49 | martin-_- | restarting depends on xorg? |
| 08:35.50 | n3rV3 | martin-_-: you could use the restart command itself or 'shutdown -r now' on the command line, what else should that script to do? |
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| 08:36.23 | martin-_- | n3rV3, it does execute xrandr -s 0 |
| 08:36.23 | n3rV3 | martin-_-: nm you were talking about gnome |
| 08:36.37 | martin-_- | then i have to restart it |
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| 08:37.14 | martin-_- | i set the scell script as startup app |
| 08:37.22 | martin-_- | as gnome startup script |
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| 08:39.26 | martin-_- | n3rV3, u dont know how to start gnome by shell? |
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| 08:39.35 | martin-_- | *start = restart |
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| 08:40.31 | n3rV3 | martin-_-: startx |
| 08:41.16 | n3rV3 | but sorry i must've missed the reason for starting it from shell in the first place |
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| 08:41.56 | totte | I'd like to install Python3.3 from testing, and only that - what's the recommended way to go about this? |
| 08:42.11 | P0bailey | is away: I'm busy |
| 08:42.36 | martin-_- | n3rV3, gnome will always be starting in the false screen resolution |
| 08:42.40 | babilen | P0bailey: Please turn that off, thanks |
| 08:42.42 | Shtl | Maxyz: while installing windows7 there i deleted fat32 partion |
| 08:42.57 | martin-_- | so i have always to open a terminal with the command xrandr -s 0 and restart gnome |
| 08:42.58 | babilen | totte: Please don't do that as it will cause problems and isn't supported. |
| 08:43.10 | martin-_- | i want to automate this by a script when i loggin |
| 08:43.14 | P0bailey | sorry mate |
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| 08:43.43 | martin-_- | startx starts a new gnome session |
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| 08:44.42 | babilen | totte: I would recommend to install Python 3.3 manually to /usr/local/stow/python3.3 (see "/msg dpkg stow usage" for an explanation why) from upstream source release. Make sure to delete the /usr/local/bin/python symlink as it would shadow the "normal" python one. (you would then have to use python3.3 to start it) |
| 08:44.45 | totte | babilen: How can I get Python3.3 on my server otherwise? |
| 08:45.22 | babilen | totte: Once you've done that you can easily install python packages by using pip |
| 08:45.30 | babilen | (in a virtualenv) |
| 08:45.49 | totte | babilen: From upstream? So I have to compile it myself? |
| 08:45.55 | babilen | yes |
| 08:46.44 | babilen | totte: That is my recommendation - You can certainly try to backport the Debian python3.3 package from backports and that might actually work okay(ish), but I am note sure about it and do not recommend it for that reason. |
| 08:46.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell totte -about ssb |
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| 08:47.39 | totte | babilen: Thanks, I'll have to go read a bit about this before I proceed. |
| 08:47.42 | n3rV3 | martin-_-: sorry have to go |
| 08:47.44 | babilen | totte: If compiling it manually yourself and installing it to /usr/local is, for some reason or another, not an option for you I would inquire about the feasibility of backporting the python3.3 package in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net (slower channel, idle and wait for an answer) |
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| 08:48.19 | babilen | totte: Do *not* simply install the package meant for testing on wheezy. That will cause problems that you don't want to deal with in a production environment. |
| 08:48.45 | totte | babilen: Okay. I think I'll go with compiling it myself. |
| 08:49.20 | babilen | totte: The backport might actually work quite alright (you would still be compiling though), but I am not sure about the ramifications. Please see my advice as being cautious rather than "the only way". |
| 08:50.01 | babilen | P0bailey: No problem, thanks! :) |
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| 08:55.20 | monkwitdafunk | Can debian be used as a point to point topology LAN with no packet collisions? A debian system with cat6 ethernet |
| 08:56.02 | monkwitdafunk | Cat6 ethernet to enable point to point. Inbound and outbound ethernet |
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| 08:57.08 | monkwitdafunk | Im thinking i need to run. Cpu with power to sustain the next cpu with power.next to it |
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| 08:59.16 | monkwitdafunk | Would that debian system with ethernet hooked to the modem handle a name server well? What are the uses of a DMZ. |
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| 09:00.07 | monkwitdafunk | I think dmz is no place for traceroute. Is that correct? |
| 09:01.16 | mumpitze1 | yes, debian can act well as a router, or a nameserver |
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| 09:01.36 | monkwitdafunk | Only in that configuration i mentioned right? |
| 09:01.36 | mumpitze1 | and yes, debian can act as a switch too |
| 09:01.42 | mumpitze1 | in any config |
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| 09:02.12 | monkwitdafunk | Really. How many ethernet cables for a three computer dmz? |
| 09:03.06 | mumpitze1 | at least 4. depends how you set it up: with 4 cables you make your debian act as a swtich. which is certainly doable but not a bright idea. |
| 09:03.17 | nabblet | hi, myleft and a server i want to ssh to are both beingd our ISPs NAT - how can i connect to it? i read that using tor network will help to get around most of the NAT stuff. are there other, simpler otpions too? |
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| 09:03.47 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: do you have a public IP? |
| 09:03.59 | monkwitdafunk | Hey hey hey! This sounds great for linux box example |
| 09:04.02 | nabblet | mumpitze1: both beingd our ISPs NAT |
| 09:04.05 | nabblet | *behind |
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| 09:04.18 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: do you have any public IP available? |
| 09:05.23 | nabblet | mumpitze1: no, since we're behind the ISPs nat our "public" IPs are 10.x.x.x IPs. we neither have a third computer with a public IP that could work as relay |
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| 09:06.23 | monkwitdafunk | Hey. Does oreilly the publisher have books.on DMZ? I gotta search that out man |
| 09:07.14 | nabblet | mumpitze1: no |
| 09:07.35 | f-a | When I call a program (tmux) i start a .sh script. I would like to kill it when I close tmux. Fact is, when I run "top" I can't find my script: I see some 'sh' things, but am not sure wheter they are my script or not. Is there a way to "name" a script so I can easily recognize it from top and then kill it with kill? |
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| 09:10.09 | nabblet | f-a: hm, i just arted tmux and then ran an ls in it - the ls shows up in htop independend of tmux. so i guess you just can do kill ls |
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| 09:10.35 | martin-_- | hi, is it possible to start this http://paste.debian.net/39998/ bash script before gnome will be started? |
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| 09:11.42 | nabblet | f-a: ah, ok. i think i misunderstood you. is this your problem: yourscipt.sh starts tmux; you exit tmux; yourscript.sh is still alive; you want it dead |
| 09:11.54 | mumpitze1 | martin-_-: use .xinitrc ? |
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| 09:12.51 | f-a | yes, nabblet |
| 09:13.27 | f-a | I discovered now that pressing 'c' toggles something I probably need in 'top' |
| 09:13.36 | f-a | (i.e. script which starte it all) |
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| 09:13.50 | monkwitdafunk | Holy crap. The DMZ setup i found looks unstable for its basic functions like reboot, network and defrag |
| 09:13.55 | nabblet | f-a: the you script should be somethig like: #!/bin/bash \n some code \n start tmux \n kill yourself |
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| 09:14.26 | nabblet | f-a: just make "end yourself" part of the script - so it will end automatically |
| 09:14.40 | f-a | ohhh, I see calling tmux *inside* the script, you mean. Nice solution, nabblet! |
| 09:14.40 | monkwitdafunk | Each computer is a subsystem |
| 09:14.59 | nabblet | f-a: uhm, how did you do it until now? |
| 09:15.03 | mumpitze1 | defrag? basic function? |
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| 09:15.07 | nabblet | f-a: i thought you alreeady are doing thatXD |
| 09:15.24 | f-a | I called the script from .tmux.conf (run-shell "xyz") |
| 09:15.26 | martin-_- | mumpitze1, so i should insert xrandr -s 0 in the last line of .xinitrc ? |
| 09:15.43 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 09:15.55 | martin-_- | where is this file located? |
| 09:16.16 | monkwitdafunk | Well, you have to defrag whatever the subsystems touch as one |
| 09:16.18 | monkwitdafunk | Right? |
| 09:16.22 | nabblet | f-a: huh?! where is that tmux.conf? |
| 09:16.51 | f-a | Generally in ~/ . I have mine in a subfolder. |
| 09:17.04 | f-a | (I call tmux with tmux -f someting attach |
| 09:17.25 | cardiel_ | hello. im trying to get pinning to work. but still when i do aptitude full-upgrade, aptitude wants to download packages from testing etc.. i have stable set at 700 , testing 500 , unstable 400 . why wont it work? |
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| 09:18.28 | tremon | cardiel_: paste the output of apt-cache policy and aptitude -s full-upgrade |
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| 09:19.16 | nabblet | f-a: ah ok :) |
| 09:19.36 | f-a | :) ^^d as usual solutions are less complicated than expected. Thanks for the top |
| 09:19.37 | f-a | *tip |
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| 09:19.59 | cardiel | tremon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105347/ here is apt-cache policy |
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| 09:20.10 | nabblet | f-a: youre welcome -even if the solution seems to be based on missunderstanding ;) |
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| 09:20.21 | nabblet | * only one s |
| 09:20.52 | cardiel | tremon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105352/ , aptitude -s full-upgrade |
| 09:21.44 | cardiel | tremon: if i delete testing,unstable sources it wont upgrade any files.. so it's not because of dotdeb source i think |
| 09:22.15 | tremon | cardiel: well I don't see any pins on those levels. Stable is at 990 (you have an APT::Default-Release in apt.conf), experimental is at its default level of 1 |
| 09:23.15 | tremon | cardiel: paste apt-cache policy bind9 gnupg gpgv |
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| 09:23.27 | cardiel | tremon: i have set APT::Default-Release "stable"; in apt.conf |
| 09:23.54 | nabblet | f-a: ok. i can't stop thinking about it XD - what are you doing exactly? |
| 09:24.00 | cardiel | tremon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105364/ |
| 09:24.13 | nabblet | f-a: maybe we can sort this out via /msg if you are in the mood to explain |
| 09:24.27 | nabblet | f-a: so we don't spam this channel |
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| 09:24.40 | JezzuH | hey guys |
| 09:24.46 | tremon | ,v gpgv |
| 09:24.47 | judd | Package: gpgv on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.10-4+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.4.10-4+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.4.10-4+squeeze2; wheezy: 1.4.12-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.4.12-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.4.14-1; sid: 1.4.14-1 |
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| 09:25.26 | tremon | cardiel: why did you remove stable security from your sources.list? As you can see, aptitude wants to update them because they appear to come from no repository at all |
| 09:25.57 | cardiel | tremon: i havent added it just.. i just installed the vps |
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| 09:26.22 | tremon | ok, well it was installed with the security repo present. Not sure why it's missing from the installed sources.list then |
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| 09:27.37 | cardiel | tremon: im not following.. how can i solve this then? |
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| 09:28.17 | tremon | you can solve it by adding debian-security to your sources.list and re-running aptitude update |
| 09:28.19 | antithesis | Is startx supported? |
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| 09:28.45 | tremon | !tell cardiel about wheezy sources.list |
| 09:29.20 | tremon | cardiel: you need the line with security.debian.org in it |
| 09:29.28 | cardiel | tremon: i have added it now |
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| 09:30.18 | cardiel | tremon: ok it worked now after i added security repo |
| 09:30.19 | cardiel | thanks |
| 09:30.38 | tremon | your customs still don't work though, care to paste your /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 09:30.48 | tremon | err custom pins are those |
| 09:31.45 | cardiel | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105398/ |
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| 09:32.29 | f-a | ok nabblet |
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| 09:32.38 | antithesis | cardiel please use paste.debian.org |
| 09:32.42 | antithesis | This is not Ubuntu. |
| 09:33.01 | f-a | let me paste the problem on pastespace |
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| 09:33.07 | tremon | that looks fine, but I'm unsure about the leading spaces. Try removing them |
| 09:33.15 | tremon | cardiel: ^^ |
| 09:33.16 | antithesis | I mean paste.debian.net |
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| 09:33.56 | cardiel | antithesis: sorry.. i didn't know about it.. will use it in the future |
| 09:34.26 | cardiel | tremon: i saw that i had pinned unstable but had experimental in sources.list .. changed that now |
| 09:34.34 | maxyz | antithesis: I don't think they care if we use it, nor should we. |
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| 09:35.28 | jiohdi | whats the deb app that tells the health of your hdd? |
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| 09:35.49 | tremon | package is smartmontools |
| 09:35.56 | jiohdi | thanks |
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| 09:37.31 | pippo | ciao |
| 09:37.41 | pippo | !lista |
| 09:37.43 | antithesis | Is startx supported? |
| 09:38.06 | tremon | antithesis: supported how? it is packaged |
| 09:39.07 | antithesis | tremon does it work and is it recommended? |
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| 09:39.22 | maxyz | antithesis: It works |
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| 09:39.36 | tremon | yes it works, and it's recommended if you know what you're doing. Most people prefer to use a DM though |
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| 09:42.07 | new[] | how do i downgrade all packages to wheezy? |
| 09:42.26 | new[] | i installed some graphics driver junk and now GL is broken |
| 09:42.34 | new[] | i tried a priority pin but that doesn't work |
| 09:43.19 | tremon | priority pin will work if the priority is above 1000 |
| 09:43.29 | tremon | but you shouldn't, reinstall is the only supported way |
| 09:43.36 | jelly-home | !tell new[] about partial downgrade |
| 09:43.54 | maxyz | new[]: You may want to check /var/log/dpkg.log to check for which packages got installed/upgraded and donwgrade just those. |
| 09:44.06 | maxyz | (if they are just a few, that is) |
| 09:45.36 | new[] | no way to do it all in one go? |
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| 09:46.25 | jelly-home | new[]: that way's called "reinstallation" |
| 09:46.49 | new[] | how do i downgrade a single package? |
| 09:47.04 | maxyz | new[]: apt-get install package=version |
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| 09:47.26 | new[] | version of the package |
| 09:47.30 | new[] | or like version=stable |
| 09:47.33 | new[] | or version=wheezy |
| 09:47.35 | tremon | or package/stable, saves you from having to look up the version |
| 09:47.46 | new[] | so version=package/stable |
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| 09:47.55 | new[] | er |
| 09:48.10 | new[] | syntax please? |
| 09:48.17 | tremon | no, it's either package=$version or package/$release |
| 09:48.27 | new[] | thx |
| 09:49.08 | f-a | nabblet: http://ariis.it/share/dump/ <-- there you can see a more thorough desscription of the problem. Ask me anything and I will answer :) |
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| 09:51.57 | nabblet | f-a: ah ok - i am surpirsed the script still lives on after you kill tmux. shouldn't it be a child process of tmux? |
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| 09:55.47 | f-a | it should. let me try once more. I am going to log off irc and join back after killing the session, nabblet |
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| 09:59.30 | f-a | no, it's still there, alive and kickin' |
| 10:00.02 | f-a | (top -U user and then pressed 'c') |
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| 10:03.02 | giuscri | Hi guys, I have a tar archive --say foo.tar. Why my computer falls into a loop if I just type `tar -x foo.tar`? Thanks |
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| 10:03.46 | maxyz | giuscri: you are missing -f |
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| 10:04.12 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: without -f, tar wants to untar from stdin |
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| 10:04.35 | nabblet | f-a: oh, ok :( |
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| 10:05.35 | pippo | ciao |
| 10:05.41 | pippo | !lista |
| 10:05.46 | f-a | well nabblet, the idea is just to replace that "while true" with a 'while "check wheter tmux is running"', that should do |
| 10:05.53 | maxyz | pippo: Are you in a loop? |
| 10:05.57 | f-a | non è un canale di filesharing, pippo |
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| 10:07.19 | giuscri | maxyz, mumpitze1 : ok, that's interesting. But what does mean that `tar` expects to untar from stdin?... That expects a string? |
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| 10:07.42 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: not necessarily a string. just tarred data |
| 10:08.44 | maxyz | giuscri: You can communicate two tar commands (one taring, and the other untaring) with a pipe. |
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| 10:10.52 | babilen | dpkg: list |
| 10:10.52 | dpkg | babilen: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 10:11.09 | babilen | oh .. :-/ |
| 10:11.17 | f-a | he gone |
| 10:11.27 | babilen | yeah, saw it in the backlog |
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| 10:13.48 | giuscri | maxyz: mhn ...say `foo` is a folder. With `tar -c foo|tar -x` I'm expected to have foo unchanged, no? |
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| 10:17.32 | maxyz | giuscri: I wouldn't do that. But, yes, maybe the mtimes get updated |
| 10:18.10 | giuscri | maxyz: and how would you do that? |
| 10:18.54 | maxyz | giuscri: Why would I want to untar a directory on itself? |
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| 10:20.23 | giuscri | maxyz: maybe if you had not created it, perhaps you just need the untarred version. |
| 10:21.44 | maxyz | Then the tar -c part will fail. |
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| 10:22.22 | giuscri | maxyz: true story. |
| 10:22.29 | giuscri | maxyz: =) |
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| 10:24.14 | maxyz | I've used nc host port | tar x bar and tar c foo | nc -l port, as a simple way to replicate some lab computers (and in those machines this was way faster than rsync and ssh) |
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| 10:25.29 | giuscri | maxyz: your answer is for me? |
| 10:27.03 | maxyz | giuscri: Yes, in a local computer it makes little sense to use tar -c | tar -x, you can use cp with the same result. |
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| 10:28.42 | tremon | more or less, by default cp will change ownership and permissions, while tar -x (as root) will not |
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| 10:33.19 | maxyz | tremon: cp -a preserves them, its much simpler, also. |
| 10:34.10 | tremon | true, hence the "by default" :) |
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| 10:37.05 | maxyz | in fact the example of giuscri, tar -c foo|tar -x, is quite scary, tar, as expected goes and overwrites every file with the same content, but let's say you have a 4gb file and 2gb free space, then you loss it. |
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| 10:44.57 | namoamitabuddha | in evince |
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| 10:46.46 | daedeloth | I updated to wheezy a few days ago and now php5-fpm is throwing segfaults by the hundreds |
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| 10:47.07 | daedeloth | and I can't find a reason why it does, the current sourcebase has been running fine for years |
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| 10:47.55 | daedeloth | and I need to get this sorted soon or I'm going to lose users :) |
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| 10:49.29 | mumpitze1 | daedeloth: where is this php5-fpm from? |
| 10:49.43 | daedeloth | it used to be from the wheezy main repository |
| 10:49.49 | daedeloth | but when that failed, we've updated to... euh... |
| 10:50.04 | daedeloth | (now I need ot dig into skype chatlogs) |
| 10:50.08 | mumpitze1 | !dotdeb |
| 10:50.08 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 10:50.13 | daedeloth | dotdeb. yes |
| 10:50.24 | daedeloth | but the version on wheezy official had the same problems |
| 10:50.26 | mumpitze1 | you updated from dotdeb and now it's all going to shit cause dotdeb has crappy packags. |
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| 10:50.38 | daedeloth | nono, it was going to shit before using dotdeb |
| 10:51.41 | daedeloth | i've been googling the issue, but nothing really came up |
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| 10:54.05 | babilen | daedeloth: Well, we certainly don't support nor recommend dotdeb. We could probably dig into the actual issue if you were to run the Debian version and provide more information, but there is little we can do right now. |
| 10:54.20 | daedeloth | I'll ask for a downgrade again |
| 10:54.28 | daedeloth | but there are no known issues about this? |
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| 10:57.04 | babilen | daedeloth: I haven't seen any, but it might very well be an upstream issue and you could ask in #php too. Have a look at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-php/php.git;a=blob;f=debian/changelog for applicable information too. |
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| 10:58.11 | babilen | (haven't spotted anything during a very cursory search though) |
| 10:59.03 | babilen | daedeloth: It might very well be your local configuration, but please provide more information and get #php involved too. Might not be a Debian issue at all. Are you sure that the upgrade was done correctly and complete? |
| 10:59.30 | daedeloth | yea, I'm trying to get php involved, though there's not much of a reply there :) |
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| 10:59.49 | daedeloth | I didn't do the upgrade myself, I've left it to "the professionals" :) |
| 10:59.59 | daedeloth | strange thing is, most calls work just fine |
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| 11:00.02 | daedeloth | it seems to be very specific situations |
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| 11:03.41 | f-a | nabblet: in the end, pkill -f helped me |
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| 11:07.48 | totte | I don't remember setting a password for my 'postgres' user, is there a default one or how can I recover it? |
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| 11:11.52 | berarma | Hi. What would be best? Apache + php-fpm or Apache + php-cgi? |
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| 11:12.39 | babilen | totte: That's probably discussed in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 11:17.08 | nabblet | f-a: :) |
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| 11:17.57 | tremon | totte: I don't think there is a password set, use su postgres as root |
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| 11:28.00 | StupidWeasel | Hello. Does anyone know of a dedicated channel for PureFTP or do you guys think you can stomach my question in here? |
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| 11:35.19 | maxyz | StupidWeasel: Go ahead |
| 11:36.07 | StupidWeasel | I'm aware that mysql queries are rather heavily customizable with pureftpd-mysql, but is it possible to authenticate with user salted passwords? |
| 11:36.41 | StupidWeasel | So I'd need two queries, to grab the users salt and then check pass + salt + usersalt is what's stored in the database |
| 11:36.42 | LordDeath | do you guys know a good tutorial to create a self signed certificate with my domain name? |
| 11:37.03 | maxyz | Mmh, I haven't used the mysql backend, sorry |
| 11:37.04 | LordDeath | currently the snakeoil certificates are only using the localhost domain |
| 11:37.14 | LordDeath | and this causes browsers like chrome to display a warning |
| 11:37.41 | LordDeath | (while in firefox we can add exception even if the domain name in the certificate is different) |
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| 11:46.00 | maxyz | LordDeath: If you don't want firefox to complain you'll need a real certificate authority to sign your certificate. |
| 11:46.16 | LordDeath | maxyz: firefox doesn't complain anymore |
| 11:46.21 | LordDeath | but chrome still does |
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| 11:46.40 | LordDeath | because the real domain and the "localhost" domain in the certificate do not match |
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| 11:48.08 | maxyz | Ok, anyway, here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 11:48.36 | maxyz | And if you want a certificate authority to sign your certificates you can startssl.com |
| 11:48.44 | maxyz | (use) |
| 11:49.22 | LordDeath | looks like what i am looking for :) |
| 11:49.30 | LordDeath | thx! |
| 11:49.39 | maxyz | welcome |
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| 12:13.34 | yeehi | Virtualbox informs me I will be unable to start VMs. When VB launches, I get the following error message: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (3.11.0-gnu) or it failed to load. I run the following command, but get an error in the logfile: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup Makefile:181: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Ma |
| 12:13.34 | yeehi | ke again. Stop. |
| 12:14.26 | mumpitze1 | so does vboxdrv.ko exist? is it loaded? |
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| 12:14.40 | mumpitze1 | yeehi: dpkg -l linux|grep header |
| 12:14.46 | tremon | looks like you're not running a debian kernel |
| 12:14.55 | Brigo | yeehi: may be you need the kernel headers. |
| 12:15.28 | mumpitze1 | yeehi: how did you compile your kernel exactly? |
| 12:16.02 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.03 | dpkg | ii "*linux*"|grep header 3.2-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 12:16.29 | Roland- | hello does anyone knows a good cloud service that won't charge me while the server is offline? |
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| 12:18.27 | babilen | Roland-: Please ask in #debian-offtopic (here *and* on irc.oftc.net) as this is hardly a Debian issue. (i'd like to see the discussion though) |
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| 12:21.09 | armin | hi, i've created an ntfs filesystem on an external usb hard drive and added myself to the "fuse" group, but i still need to manually mount the volume when i attach the disk. any hint how to fix this? thanks. |
| 12:21.12 | yeehi | mumpitzel: I installed the linux-libre repository |
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| 12:21.49 | mumpitze1 | yeehi: you need a linux kernel headers. how did you get this 3.11 kernel? |
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| 12:23.02 | yeehi | i used synaptic to install it, mumpitzel. I think i got kernel-headers too... |
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| 12:23.45 | mumpitze1 | yeehi: please answer my question |
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| 12:24.38 | yeehi | sudo aptitude install linux-libre-kernel iirc, mumpitzel |
| 12:24.55 | mumpitze1 | yeehi: you didn't get your kernel from debian. the place you got your kernel is the same place you get the kernel-headers for it. ask them about support, not us |
| 12:24.56 | abrotman | that's not a Debian kernel |
| 12:25.30 | yeehi | it is a debian kernel with all the blobs removed, abrotman |
| 12:25.37 | mumpitze1 | it is not a debian kernel |
| 12:25.45 | abrotman | yeehi: it is NOT a debian kernel |
| 12:25.53 | mniip | based on != is |
| 12:25.54 | babilen | yeehi: The Debian kernel *already* has all the blobs removed. |
| 12:25.56 | mumpitze1 | it doesn't matter what they add remove or how they blow you: it's not from debian.org, it's not a debian kernel |
| 12:26.00 | yeehi | ok, i will ask elsewhere |
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| 12:26.09 | yeehi | oh, i didn't know that, mumpitzel |
| 12:26.33 | babilen | yeehi: Please note that you really don't have to use the libre kernel as the Debian kernel is already free / libre. |
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| 12:26.37 | mumpitze1 | yeehi: apt-cache search linux | grep header is what I'd start with |
| 12:26.59 | abrotman | still not a support channel for whatever that is |
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| 12:27.04 | mumpitze1 | but as babile wrote several times: debian has a libre kernel for a few years now |
| 12:28.00 | yeehi | ah, i am glad about that, babilen |
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| 12:28.27 | yeehi | OK - I will keep looking into this. Thank you for your help, babilen and mumpitzel |
| 12:28.46 | babilen | mumpitze1: tab completion works even after starting typing ;) |
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| 12:52.36 | h1nd | hello all. Is there a package on the repos available, which acts something like a DynDNS-client? But it should update my current public IP on one of my BIND servers I am running on the net. Any clues how to achieve that? |
| 12:53.49 | SirLagz_ | h1nd: I'd grab the source of the no-ip client or dyndns client and have a look through that. |
| 12:54.18 | xand | nsupdate |
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| 12:57.51 | giuscri | Hi, guys. I'm trying to install a torrent-client which as dependecies asks for `ncurses`. I can't find a single-univoque repository for it. Anyone knows something? |
| 12:58.01 | h1nd | xand: do you know a script which I could use for that purpose? I could use the command "wget -qO- http://ipecho.net/plain" to get my current IP and then I need that to update my BIND server. |
| 12:59.08 | giuscri | Ooops, sorry. I've just found that I have `ncurses` already installed in my debian-computer. Thank you anyway. |
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| 13:22.30 | giuscri | Hi guys. Is there anyone who uses rtorrent? |
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| 13:29.37 | SirLagz | giuscri: I use rtorrent on occasion |
| 13:30.36 | giuscri | SirLagz: you shouldn't recommend it for everyday-use? |
| 13:31.08 | giuscri | SirLagz: and, if *no* which occasion for? |
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| 13:33.16 | SirLagz | giuscri: it's fine for everyday use |
| 13:33.20 | maxyz | giuscri: In the ocassion of wanting to download something which is legally available via torrent. :) |
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| 13:35.50 | giuscri | maxyz, SirLagz : ok. But as far as it seems rtorrent is a ghost project: the last msg in the mailist-list was sent on 2011 ... |
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| 13:37.22 | loin | hi guys, i purchased my first dvd and turns out i can't even play it without a whole bunch of libraries, it's got a lot of drm and all that good suff and encryption that i really wasn't expecting |
| 13:37.36 | daedeloth | ok, i've been reverted to the original wheezy packages |
| 13:37.40 | xand | first dvd? |
| 13:37.47 | loin | xand, yep |
| 13:37.57 | loin | movie that is |
| 13:38.02 | xand | wow |
| 13:38.03 | daedeloth | is zend engine now part of the default php package? |
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| 13:38.17 | xand | anyway, you need libdvdcss |
| 13:38.21 | xand | !libdvdcss |
| 13:38.22 | dpkg | libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, install the libdvdcss2 package available from deb-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>. http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html |
| 13:38.33 | loin | xand, well i pretty much figured that out but i can't actually rip it |
| 13:38.44 | loin | to put it on my nas and have it accessible from all my devices |
| 13:38.47 | loin | without breaking the law |
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| 13:39.13 | xand | not sure what you're asking |
| 13:39.32 | ikrabbe | hi, I just installed a fresh debian and wanted to change my system to allow my account to fire sudo commands without password |
| 13:39.41 | ikrabbe | TEST ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 13:40.04 | ikrabbe | but when I do sudo -s I'm still asked for a passwd? |
| 13:40.18 | loin | well, i'm not sure either, it seems that purchasing a dvd and decrypting it is illegal, also not purchasing a movie is illegal but the second option doesn't require you to actually spend money |
| 13:40.18 | ikrabbe | is it a bug or a feature? |
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| 13:41.02 | maxyz | giuscri: Last release in April 2012, that's okay. |
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| 13:52.21 | maxyz | ikrabbe: I haven't seen that behavior. How did you define TEST ? |
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| 13:52.57 | daedeloth | so I've reported a bug, but how can I access it on the website? |
| 13:53.58 | tremon | daedeloth: bugs.debian.org/$bugnumber |
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| 13:54.19 | ikrabbe | [125 files] |
| 13:54.29 | babilen | daedeloth: It might take some time before it becomes available; when did you file it? did you already receive a confirmation mail from the BTS ? |
| 13:54.32 | babilen | ikrabbe: yes? |
| 13:54.38 | ikrabbe | TEST is just a name for my system user, that I used to setup the debian system |
| 13:54.40 | daedeloth | I don't seem to have received a confirmation |
| 13:54.42 | ikrabbe | sorry for the spam |
| 13:54.45 | daedeloth | just a copy of my mail |
| 13:55.01 | babilen | daedeloth: when did you send it? |
| 13:55.06 | daedeloth | oh, just 10 minutes ago |
| 13:55.13 | babilen | daedeloth: be patient |
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| 13:55.53 | ikrabbe | you know, that user, that is automatically created when you go through the installer steps (I used the network installer image from debian.org |
| 13:56.01 | ikrabbe | downloaded today) |
| 13:56.04 | daedeloth | roger :) |
| 13:56.19 | babilen | daedeloth: There are various techniques in use to prevent spam and other malicious content and the system might take a while to work on and approve your message. |
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| 13:56.48 | daedeloth | yea, thought so :) |
| 13:56.53 | daedeloth | i imagine there is a lot of incoming mails there |
| 13:56.55 | babilen | daedeloth: If you haven't received something within, say, 2 hours you can ask in #debian-bugs for help. They will want to see the original mail (with headers and so on) ... |
| 13:57.09 | daedeloth | ok, thanks |
| 13:57.11 | babilen | daedeloth: that channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) btw |
| 13:57.13 | Sakara | hi all, quick one: Does anyone know which package the program "mail" comes in? |
| 13:57.24 | maxyz | mailx |
| 13:57.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sakara -about apt-file |
| 13:57.39 | maxyz | Not anymore. :( |
| 13:57.42 | babilen | Sakara: Run a query such as: apt-file search -x "bin/mail$" |
| 13:57.49 | babilen | judd: file bin/mail |
| 13:57.54 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 13:57.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: hi, I finally filed a bug on the verification issue, I was a bit busy lately: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722906 I hope it's in the right place. |
| 13:58.17 | babilen | Sakara: But I haven't seen that in ages, are you sure it's being shipped? |
| 13:58.19 | Sakara | babilen: I do know this one, my debian system is a raspberry pi I don't want to have to unpack the apt-file package. :) |
| 13:58.20 | abrotman | looks |
| 13:58.21 | maxyz | It's an alternative, I think |
| 13:58.34 | babilen | Sakara: Are you running raspbian? |
| 13:58.38 | Sakara | yes |
| 13:58.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sakara -about raspbian |
| 13:58.59 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: reasonable, if they want it moved to the CD images, they'll do so |
| 13:59.01 | babilen | Sakara: Please ask in their channel as we only support pure Debian in here. :) |
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| 13:59.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: alright, thanks |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: thank you |
| 13:59.26 | ikrabbe | hmm, creating a user with useradd -m and using that user, works with sudoers |
| 13:59.27 | maxyz | Sakara: So, bsd-mailx |
| 13:59.31 | Sakara | fair enough. figured I'd ask here becuase this is where the smart kids are :) |
| 13:59.37 | ikrabbe | so its a bug-feature of the installer account |
| 13:59.41 | Sakara | maxyz: I'll take a look at that. |
| 13:59.52 | Sakara | maxyz: this is likely the one I am looking for. |
| 14:00.05 | babilen | ikrabbe: I would generally speaking recommend to use adduser and not useradd |
| 14:00.18 | babilen | s/generally speaking/(generally speaking)/ |
| 14:00.29 | daedeloth | my phpinfo page shows this: This program makes use of the Zend Scripting Language Engine |
| 14:00.29 | daedeloth | any idea where that comes from? is that default php now? |
| 14:00.37 | ikrabbe | but why? |
| 14:00.43 | ikrabbe | useradd works fine |
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| 14:01.00 | ikrabbe | and its more in line with usermod i.e. |
| 14:01.16 | babilen | ikrabbe: adduser does a number of things that you want to do on user account creation. Take a look at the script and its manpage to learn about it. |
| 14:01.40 | ikrabbe | yes, that's what I normally don't want: That a script does a lot of things I don't know about |
| 14:02.29 | Sakara | maxyz: bsd-mailx was precisely the package I was looking for. Thank you very much. I knew all the smarted kids hung out here ;) |
| 14:02.36 | babilen | ikrabbe: Why do you use Debian then? We ship lots of init scripts you probably haven't read and even more software whose source code you don't understand. I find that argument very weak and it is documented or easy to understand what is being done. |
| 14:02.39 | ikrabbe | I know linux systems for 20+ years and every few months there are new commands that think they know better than me |
| 14:02.52 | ikrabbe | just because its fast to install |
| 14:02.54 | babilen | ikrabbe: adduser isn't particularly new on Debian systems |
| 14:03.05 | maxyz | ikrabbe: Mmh, so you have a line %sudo ALL = (ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 14:03.16 | maxyz | And TEST belongs to sudo ? |
| 14:03.45 | ikrabbe | that should not matter when there is a TEST line, that should take precedence over %sudo |
| 14:03.51 | babilen | ikrabbe: You are, naturally, free to do whatever you want. But I would recommend to spare a few minutes of your time to take a look at adduser. |
| 14:04.24 | ikrabbe | yes I saw all those long arguments in adduser, noone can ever remeber |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | offers ikrabbe some cheese |
| 14:04.49 | babilen | ikrabbe: If you think that is too much to ask for and you don't want to learn about Debian specific ways that is fine by me, but I find it a bit disconcerting. |
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| 14:05.27 | maxyz | ikrabbe: True, any way, you could test removing the user TEST from sudo |
| 14:05.27 | maxyz | ikrabbe: And check if that makes any difference. |
| 14:05.43 | nabblet | how can i do ctrl+alt+f2 in virtualbox? i want to change to a virtual terminal in my virtual manchine |
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| 14:06.38 | Monday | is there a DE that is made for a touch screen device/computer |
| 14:06.53 | module000 | nabblet: look in the applications menu, you'll find "send ctrl-alt-f<n> to guest" options. |
| 14:07.22 | module000 | Monday: have you tried gnome3? it's touch friendly (at least for me) |
| 14:07.36 | nabblet | module000: i only have inster cntrl alt delete and ctrl alt backspace |
| 14:08.18 | Monday | module000 would it be worth replacing windows 8 with? |
| 14:08.32 | module000 | nabblet: try host+f2 then (default host key is right controlf or me) |
| 14:08.37 | module000 | Monday: no idea, that's up to you |
| 14:09.00 | nabblet | module000: weee, that worked! thank you |
| 14:09.45 | nabblet | i installed fluxbox and lightdm - but no terminal emulator -.- |
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| 14:10.55 | nabblet | installs rxvt-unicode |
| 14:11.20 | daedeloth | ok, bug report is in |
| 14:11.20 | daedeloth | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722916 |
| 14:11.40 | daedeloth | if you see anything that is configured wrongly or something, please help :D |
| 14:12.29 | ikrabbe | «maxyz», you was right! removing the sudo group works |
| 14:12.44 | ikrabbe | you were, even (i think) |
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| 14:14.45 | maxyz | ikrabbe: So, is a matter in the order in which the rules are listed? |
| 14:15.35 | maxyz | ikrabbe: I had the same idea as you, that specific took precedence |
| 14:17.23 | ikrabbe | maxyz, yes that would be the natural behaviour |
| 14:17.58 | ikrabbe | but its just that any match is applied in order: sudoers(5):/SUDOERS FILE FORMAT/ |
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| 14:18.59 | nabblet | why can a normal user tab complete on apt-get and root can't? |
| 14:19.03 | nabblet | by default |
| 14:19.09 | nabblet | doesn't make sense |
| 14:19.32 | ikrabbe | nabblet: check the completion features of your shell when you run as root |
| 14:19.49 | ikrabbe | they are configured on login |
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| 14:19.57 | nabblet | ikrabbe: in .bashrc ? |
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| 14:20.28 | ikrabbe | no there are a host of special files that do so, I'm not sure about that as I don't use such things any more |
| 14:21.10 | nabblet | ikrabbe: ok - i'll google it. i'm curions: what do you use instead? |
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| 14:21.27 | MrMonkey13 | did you ever need to find a file that you knew was in a subdirectory of /, but not in which subdirectory it was? |
| 14:21.40 | ikrabbe | .bashrc:#source /etc/profile.d/bash-completion.sh |
| 14:21.56 | ikrabbe | thats a commented line from my .bashrc |
| 14:22.16 | nabblet | ikrabbe: k, will check mien for it - thank you |
| 14:22.17 | module000 | MrMonkey13: since every file is somehow a child of / ....yes, we've all been in that situation. |
| 14:23.13 | maxyz | MrMonkey13: locate is your friend |
| 14:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | much more often anyway than looking for a file not in a subdirectory of / |
| 14:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you mean: "locate is your find"? :P |
| 14:24.17 | module000 | CutMeOwnThroat: friendly find is locate! |
| 14:24.38 | MrMonkey13 | thaaaank you maxyz! |
| 14:24.57 | maxyz | lol, welcome |
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| 14:27.54 | kyze | hi guys is it possible to run a debian server for my nas from a usb drive ? |
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| 14:28.42 | maxyz | kyze: is your nas supported? does it boot from usb? |
| 14:28.58 | kyze | well its not really a nas, more of a pc that im using as nas |
| 14:29.14 | kyze | it does boot from usb, its running nas4free atm but i want some more possibility |
| 14:29.31 | ikrabbe | nabblet: I'm about to move away from linux to plan9 for my everyday work environment. |
| 14:29.34 | maxyz | kyze: Oh, ok, then yes. |
| 14:29.56 | ikrabbe | nabblet: there are some very different methods on plan9 to type commands |
| 14:30.24 | module000 | ikrabbe: hobbitywhat? what is the reasoning to move to plan9? (i'm curious, not trying to troll you) |
| 14:30.28 | maxyz | ikrabbe: The use of plan9 is part of your work? |
| 14:30.45 | kyze | how would i do it ? ive found a bunch of guides to get debian on stick but not a full on system going |
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| 14:31.00 | ikrabbe | no, I use plan9 as my environment to do my work in |
| 14:31.06 | ikrabbe | its not part of my work |
| 14:31.21 | maxyz | Just boot an installer and select your usb drive as the installation destination |
| 14:31.43 | ikrabbe | there are some cool features in plan9, most striking is the editor sam |
| 14:31.55 | maxyz | kyze: ^ |
| 14:32.03 | kyze | yea but wouldnt that just get me to a the bootloader to select the live-thing ? |
| 14:32.13 | ikrabbe | actually after years of vim I changed to ed some years ago, moving to sam now. |
| 14:32.18 | kyze | oh nvm |
| 14:32.29 | kyze | i know how you mean, gotta try that |
| 14:33.34 | maxyz | kyze: Make sure you select the right drive. :) |
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| 14:34.09 | maxyz | (not that it ever happend to me) :) |
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| 14:34.49 | nabblet | ikrabbe: looks interesting! |
| 14:34.53 | kyze | maxyz im gonna unplug the data-drive to be sure :) |
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| 14:35.46 | nabblet | ikrabbe: how do you get software for it - compile yourself? |
| 14:35.51 | ikrabbe | module000: there are some more reasons, that don't acutally effect me on a too big scale: the C compiler works with utf-8 input, the mkfile syntax as much more comprehensive |
| 14:36.04 | nabblet | ikrabbe: does it have an own compiler for that ansi c dialect? |
| 14:36.21 | ikrabbe | nabblet: you don't get to much software for plan9, not even a browser with javascript |
| 14:36.41 | ikrabbe | nabblet: as any system, you install it from a CD |
| 14:36.41 | MrMonkey13 | no javascript?? oh noes!! |
| 14:36.49 | nabblet | ikrabbe: hm, so you cant use all that GNU stuff? |
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| 14:37.06 | nabblet | oh, sorry, dumb comment |
| 14:37.10 | ikrabbe | nabblet: you can but I haven't tried, and its more a work around |
| 14:37.27 | module000 | ikrabbe: sounds nifty, using prior OS's like that always gives me nostalgia |
| 14:37.34 | ikrabbe | no X server, no Browser, no emacs... |
| 14:37.44 | nabblet | ikrabbe: so what made you move to it? |
| 14:38.07 | ikrabbe | actually the system base of plan9 is much newer than that of unix and therefor the base of linux |
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| 14:38.18 | peaceblaster | Any tips on setting up an ultra-secure ssh server? I'm using 4096 bit RSA keys, not sure what else I can do |
| 14:39.42 | ikrabbe | there are some "newer" OS Design concepts in plan9 that make a big differnce and will be even bigger in the next few years |
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| 14:40.31 | nabblet | Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough. |
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| 14:40.41 | nabblet | you may agree or not - but i like the statement |
| 14:41.15 | nabblet | ikrabbe: so you are using it just because you like it? or like its idea? |
| 14:41.25 | nabblet | ikrabbe: how did you find out about it anyway? |
| 14:41.48 | ikrabbe | nabblet, the funny thing is that plan9 still grows and I assume it will grow and with every new day I learn to love it more eagerly |
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| 14:42.08 | ikrabbe | can't tell anymore how I found out about it |
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| 14:42.45 | ikrabbe | actually you can't live in a production environment with just plan9, so I run a linux laptop and start one or two qemu images with plan9 in them |
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| 14:43.01 | nabblet | ikrabbe: sure |
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| 14:43.59 | nabblet | ikrabbe: are you developing for it? |
| 14:44.18 | ikrabbe | no, I just use some parts of the system to organize my work |
| 14:44.20 | nabblet | ikrabbe: i love the website - plain and simple :D |
| 14:44.33 | ikrabbe | check the werc -wiki ! |
| 14:44.37 | ikrabbe | cat-v.org |
| 14:44.51 | giuscri | Is there some way for testing if a port is listening? |
| 14:44.57 | ikrabbe | especially informative: harmful.cat-v.org |
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| 14:45.19 | dog_food | why my debian use software rasterizer and not free amd driver? |
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| 14:49.42 | nabblet | hehe, look at notable sam users http://sam.cat-v.org/ |
| 14:49.43 | nabblet | XD |
| 14:49.48 | iderik | Wish recommendation on a laptop for studies with debian and tiled window manager :) |
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| 14:50.11 | iderik | is Asus EEE still the way to go? |
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| 14:50.14 | peaceblaster | if you join the Linux Foundation you get discounts on Lenovo, HP, and Dell |
| 14:50.28 | ikrabbe | they all work for google in our days ;) |
| 14:50.31 | peaceblaster | though imho Lenovo's the only good brand list |
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| 14:50.45 | maxyz | dog_food: You know that in free software the spirit is: because you haven't packaged it to work well enough in Debian |
| 14:51.03 | ikrabbe | (btw.: rob pike is one of the brains behind golang, I think) |
| 14:52.07 | iderik | peaceblaster: havnt been updated for years, so ive recently heard people talk about lenovo. has the linux people gone over to lenovo from eee now? |
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| 14:53.40 | no_gravity | Good Evening! |
| 14:53.50 | maxyz | iderik: There are linux users using different stuff. |
| 14:53.55 | nabblet | iderik: maybe ask in ##hardware too - there is also a thinpad channel i think.. anyway: befor you buy a laptop google a bit around and see if you see people complainging about the usual suspects (sound, wifi, graphic) |
| 14:53.55 | giuscri | no_gravity: hello! |
| 14:54.09 | maxyz | The thinkpad are quite popular though |
| 14:54.10 | no_gravity | Anybody using fail2ban? Im trying to figure out how to read the log. Where do I see which IPs have been banned for what reason? |
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| 14:54.37 | nabblet | ikrabbe: what are you using right now for work environment? |
| 14:54.54 | iderik | nabblet: thanks! |
| 14:55.14 | nkuttler | no_gravity: have you looked in /var/log/fail2ban.log yet? |
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| 14:55.28 | nabblet | iderik: but be careful - folks in #hardware have stron oppinions |
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| 14:55.48 | ikrabbe | nabblet: I'm talking to you from within that plan9 system |
| 14:55.59 | nabblet | ikrabbe: what irc client? |
| 14:56.03 | ikrabbe | ircrc |
| 14:56.06 | handuel | Does anyone know of a way of running web apps such as twitter and google docs in a browser window without any toolbars etc (any browser I'm asking 'cos I want to find a browser that supports this) |
| 14:56.17 | nabblet | ikrabbe: you said you have a linux worksystem and run 9pan within it |
| 14:56.19 | handuel | prefablly a browser only for this purpose |
| 14:56.19 | no_gravity | nkuttler: yes im looking into it. starting to understand it. "Found 123.123.123.123" means that ip has done something bad :) |
| 14:56.28 | nabblet | ikrabbe: so i wanted to know what system that is |
| 14:56.32 | handuel | As I already have luakit as a proper browser |
| 14:56.42 | nkuttler | no_gravity: that doesn't sound like the default log format |
| 14:56.46 | ikrabbe | nabblet: I have an old gentoo system here |
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| 14:57.10 | nkuttler | no_gravity: i have e.g. 2013-09-08 12:10:30,021 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Ban 91.foo |
| 14:57.12 | no_gravity | nkuttler: i set the loglevel to 4 in fail2ban.conf |
| 14:57.22 | nkuttler | that sounds noisy |
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| 14:57.32 | no_gravity | nkuttler: otherwise it didnt log why ips have been banned. |
| 14:57.32 | nabblet | ikrabbe: old in what sense? no updates for a long time, or up and running for a long time? |
| 14:57.55 | ikrabbe | running for about 8 years now |
| 14:57.59 | nkuttler | no_gravity: my output is from level 3, squeeze though |
| 14:58.04 | ikrabbe | updated from time to time of course |
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| 14:58.32 | no_gravity | nkuttler: does it show you WHY it bans ips? |
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| 14:59.07 | nkuttler | no_gravity: WARNING [ssh] |
| 14:59.25 | no_gravity | nkuttler: ah, interesting |
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| 14:59.52 | nabblet | 8 years is good :D |
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| 15:02.20 | no_gravity | nkuttler: interesting. some chinese IP seems to do login attempts every second for several days. and dont even stop when its banned. a second after its unbanned, it immediately starts login attempts again. |
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| 15:03.05 | ggoes | Any SBCL users around? |
| 15:03.13 | nkuttler | no_gravity: i always put sshd: KNOWN into /etc/hosts.allow, but see man 5 hosts_access |
| 15:03.26 | nkuttler | no_gravity: that takes care of like 99% of all ssh logins |
| 15:03.38 | no_gravity | Its a mistery to me, why ssh doesnt prevent brute force attacks by default. |
| 15:03.59 | no_gravity | nk what does that do? |
| 15:04.51 | blackswan | hi. i'd like to set an option on the synaptics touchpad input device for my x server. i know how to do this; that's not my question. my question is, is there an official "debian way" to do this? as in, i know how to add users by editing /etc/passwd, making home directories, etc., but the "debian way" is to use "adduser" or something like that. is there a "debian way" to configure X input device options? |
| 15:05.10 | blackswan | i'm running stable with a dash of testing. |
| 15:05.33 | mumpitze1 | blackswan: just by creating a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 15:06.14 | ggoes | blackswan: I configure Synaptics with synclient in my .xinitrc |
| 15:06.25 | blackswan | okay, that's what i was going to do. oh, i didn't know about synclient. thx. |
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| 15:07.06 | giuscri | is there any way for testing if a port is listening? |
| 15:07.33 | nkuttler | giuscri: telnet localhost port? |
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| 15:07.45 | nkuttler | giuscri: or, you know, nmap.. |
| 15:07.46 | blackswan | giuscri: netstat -an | egrep PORTNUMBER |
| 15:07.51 | blackswan | if you're on the machine |
| 15:08.01 | blackswan | it should have a LISTEN line |
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| 15:08.16 | em_ | i have some problem with virtio storage on my laptop debian |
| 15:08.18 | nkuttler | !tell giuscri about open ports |
| 15:08.25 | em_ | i could not select 'vitio' storage through my virt-manager |
| 15:08.28 | em_ | *virtio |
| 15:09.01 | mdghbrhn | please if I want to learn how to manage my VPS, where to begin ? |
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| 15:09.41 | nkuttler | !tell mdghbrhn about grounding |
| 15:10.00 | no_gravity | nkuttler: by the way, what does "see man 5" mean? |
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| 15:10.15 | nkuttler | no_gravity: type man 5 hosts_access in a terminal |
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| 15:11.01 | no_gravity | nkuttler: the 5 seems to make no difference |
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| 15:11.26 | nkuttler | no_gravity: that can be. see man 1 man |
| 15:11.47 | nkuttler | no_gravity: and then man -a man |
| 15:12.15 | no_gravity | nkuttler: so KNOWN will make sshd reject ips without associated domain? |
| 15:12.24 | giuscri | nkuttler, blackswan : okok, wait a minute. I'm going to explain the whole story: I've just downloaded a torrent client and I have to set a `port which is listening` though I don't know exactly what that means --yet I can imagine. |
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| 15:13.06 | nkuttler | no_gravity: hosts.allow only allows traffic, that has been denied by hosts.deny |
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| 15:13.32 | nkuttler | no_gravity: so KNOW would allow hosts "whose name and address are known" |
| 15:13.48 | giuscri | nkuttler, blackswan : Can you guide me a bit? How can I make one `port` listening and how can I test if it's actually doing that --maybe you've already answered the second question. |
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| 15:14.23 | nkuttler | giuscri: sounds like something you configure in your torrent client.. and then you probably also want port forwarding on your router |
| 15:14.32 | giuscri | nkuttler, blackswan : thanks. I'm also happy if you only suggest me a reference. |
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| 15:14.52 | nabblet | ikrabbe: see my msg? |
| 15:15.05 | nkuttler | giuscri: man <yourclient>? |
| 15:15.15 | nkuttler | giuscri: or /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
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| 15:15.22 | no_gravity | nkuttler: known to whom? |
| 15:15.49 | nkuttler | no_gravity: to your system |
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| 15:16.07 | no_gravity | nkuttler: my system knows hosts? |
| 15:16.19 | giuscri | nkuttler: Mhn, I don't think that could be particularly useful to me. I already know how to set my torrent client (*rtorrent*) to use a chosen port. |
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| 15:16.26 | nkuttler | no_gravity: sure. how else would the internet work? |
| 15:16.44 | nkuttler | giuscri: so which problem do you have? |
| 15:17.37 | giuscri | nkuttler: how to make a port listening. Is some parameter I have to set in the router? |
| 15:18.26 | blackswan | giuscri: are you behind something that does NAT? |
| 15:18.33 | nkuttler | giuscri: rtorrent will use the ports you configured.. but your host probably uses a router, and that router probably firewalls incoming traffic, and certainly doesn't forward torrent traffic to your host |
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| 15:18.57 | blackswan | NAT and firewalls are both obstacles to incoming traffic reaching a listening server |
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| 15:19.36 | slick0_ | i have nat and router firewall but torrents still are able to punch thru |
| 15:19.41 | nkuttler | giuscri: so on your router (if you have one) configure port forwarding on the correct port range to the local ip of the host that runs the client |
| 15:20.04 | slick0_ | the dhs is red but it still works |
| 15:20.11 | nkuttler | slick0_: there's a difference between outgoing and incoming traffic |
| 15:20.14 | blackswan | slick0_: your device is making outgoing connections. it's incoming connections that are the issue |
| 15:20.24 | blackswan | slick0_: what nkuttler said |
| 15:20.50 | slick0_ | thats strange outgoing seem to be more troublesome form piont of view |
| 15:21.00 | slick0_ | point |
| 15:21.09 | nkuttler | slick0_: how so? |
| 15:21.18 | slick0_ | thats akin to leakage |
| 15:21.20 | giuscri | blackswan: I'm searching infos about NAT on google, but if there's something faster: how can I check if I'm behind something that does NAT? |
| 15:21.35 | nkuttler | slick0_: you have to actively start outgoing connections |
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| 15:21.52 | slick0_ | i dont mind geting information what i mind is sending information out |
| 15:21.54 | blackswan | giuscri: well... if you go to some web site that tells you what your ip address, and it doesn't match what your machine thinks it's ip address is, you're behind something that does NAT |
| 15:21.59 | blackswan | address is* |
| 15:22.00 | nabblet | hi, what's the correct way to give a user permission to shut down a computer? |
| 15:22.12 | slick0_ | it seem the computer experts seee it the other way around |
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| 15:22.38 | nkuttler | slick0_: *you* have to send the info out |
| 15:22.52 | giuscri | blackswan: Oook. My local IP is not the same of the public one. So definitely I'm behind NAT . |
| 15:22.53 | nkuttler | slick0_: if you're afraid what *you* might do, yes, block outgoing traffic. no more internets for you |
| 15:22.59 | blackswan | slick0_: it's more NAT that is the problem; firewalls can easily be configured to block traffic in either direction. NAT, by its nature, requires special provisions be made for incoming traffic. |
| 15:23.00 | nabblet | nevermind - i found it |
| 15:23.08 | blackswan | giuscri: yup |
| 15:23.13 | slick0_ | there are lots of programs that send out information with out me being aware |
| 15:23.41 | nkuttler | slick0_: if you feel that is the case, yes, block outgoing traffic or filter it |
| 15:23.51 | slick0_ | cant i get nat to work the other way around? |
| 15:23.57 | nkuttler | slick0_: if you just want to be protected from the entire world, blocking incoming traffic makes more sense |
| 15:24.03 | nkuttler | slick0_: no |
| 15:24.11 | blackswan | giuscri: also, if you have a non-routable ip address, you're behind NAT (10.*.*.*, 192.168.*.*, to name some popular examples) |
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| 15:24.22 | blackswan | slick0_: what would that even mean? |
| 15:24.28 | nkuttler | indeed.. |
| 15:24.57 | giuscri | blackswan: what's the implication on making port listening? |
| 15:25.04 | blackswan | slick0_: NAT is a way of "faking out" the rest of the world so you can have a lot of hosts that look to the outside world like one or a few |
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| 15:25.17 | slick0_ | its a well known fact apps just send out your private adress so you can be reachable behind nat |
| 15:25.29 | blackswan | slick0_: no. |
| 15:25.37 | nkuttler | slick0_: well known fact according to? |
| 15:25.39 | slick0_ | thats how slype works and bitorrent etc etc etc |
| 15:25.56 | blackswan | slick0_: no. they make outgoing connections. that's different. NAT helps those; it hinders incoming connections. |
| 15:26.02 | slick0_ | yes its a well known factr |
| 15:26.11 | slick0_ | dont give me your BS |
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| 15:26.16 | blackswan | slick0_: there are a lot of well-known facts that are wrong |
| 15:26.24 | nkuttler | slick0_: please keep it civil |
| 15:26.25 | giuscri | blackswan: it's interesting because looking at the status of my router it says that NAT is Disabled. |
| 15:26.40 | mumpitze1 | slick0_: you are wrong. a address behind NAT doesn't help anyone: millions of people use 192.168.1.2 as their IP... |
| 15:26.49 | blackswan | slick0_: it's not BS. i've been on the internet and aware of the low-level details of TCP/IP since 1985. i get paid to, among other things, solve complex networking problems. |
| 15:27.02 | blackswan | giuscri: it isn't necessarily your router that's doing it. |
| 15:27.05 | slick0_ | its not the ip its the ports |
| 15:27.10 | blackswan | giuscri: i have no idea what your setup is |
| 15:27.15 | slick0_ | are you kidding me? |
| 15:27.43 | mumpitze1 | slick0_: the only place where I can think of programs giving potentially harmfull addresses is if you use a proxy (but then the proxy is under control of someone else who does this, and you have no way to prevent this), or some active scripts (javacscript) in case of onion routing |
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| 15:27.46 | blackswan | slick0_: me? no. i'm not. i work for sourcefire in maintenance. perhaps you've heard of them. |
| 15:28.02 | mumpitze1 | slick0_: no we don't. you are just clueless about the technical realities of networking |
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| 15:28.26 | blackswan | so if anybody has snort questions, now's your golden opportunity. sort of. |
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| 15:28.44 | giuscri | blackswan: ok, thank you anyway. =) |
| 15:28.59 | slick0_ | i recon its in your best interest to reasure the populace |
| 15:29.16 | blackswan | who are you addressing, slick0_? |
| 15:29.18 | mumpitze1 | slick0_: do you have a debian related support problem? |
| 15:29.28 | mumpitze1 | blackswan: you, cause you are obviously one of THEM |
| 15:29.36 | blackswan | OMG |
| 15:29.38 | blackswan | OH NOES |
| 15:29.48 | nkuttler | puts on his tinfoil hat |
| 15:30.10 | mumpitze1 | nkuttler: too late, there already are chips, evil chips!, on the inside of your hat |
| 15:30.14 | blackswan | puts on his robe and wizard hat |
| 15:30.21 | slick0_ | yes can i install debian using netinstall with out having to wright down the server ip adress 1st? |
| 15:30.22 | nkuttler | slick0_: go to #networking if you want to discuss the intricacies of... networking |
| 15:30.45 | mumpitze1 | slick0_: server ip of what? |
| 15:30.47 | slick0_ | intricancies seem to be the right wording |
| 15:30.50 | nkuttler | slick0_: assuming dns isn't broken that sounds right.. not sure which "server" though |
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| 15:31.02 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone has used ISPConfig? |
| 15:31.09 | mumpitze1 | !tell abailarri about anyone |
| 15:31.15 | blackswan | i'm sure somebody has. maybe not here... |
| 15:31.31 | blackswan | !tell blackswan about anyone |
| 15:31.36 | giuscri | But if I have *no* firewall do I still need to opening ports? Or every port is already open? |
| 15:31.40 | blackswan | i'm eddicatin' myself |
| 15:31.48 | mumpitze1 | !tell blackswan about selftell |
| 15:31.49 | nkuttler | !tell blackswan about msg the bot |
| 15:31.52 | nkuttler | heh.. |
| 15:31.54 | blackswan | sorry. |
| 15:31.56 | Will_Tampa | Hi all |
| 15:32.07 | abailarri | blackswan: if is not here, where? |
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| 15:32.22 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: some program needs to open the port. if you don't run a firewall any program can open a port >1024 and only root can open a port <1024 |
| 15:32.28 | slick0_ | why is there so much chater in this channel this is usually a dead end |
| 15:32.59 | blackswan | that greatly depends on what it is. i've never heard of it... and there is no debian package containing that string in its description or a file by that name. |
| 15:33.03 | nkuttler | slick0_: looks like you don't know much about #debian either |
| 15:33.07 | Will_Tampa | slick0_: Sat ZMorning? |
| 15:33.12 | nkuttler | slick0_: anyway, #debian-offtopic |
| 15:33.17 | mumpitze1 | Will_Tampa: evening |
| 15:33.26 | Mac101 | hi, how long is squeeze supportd for security etc? |
| 15:33.38 | nkuttler | !tell Mac101 about squeeze security |
| 15:33.43 | mumpitze1 | !tell blackswan about ispconfig |
| 15:33.46 | slick0_ | Will_Tampa, whats that supposed to mean? |
| 15:34.24 | nkuttler | Mac101: and /msg dpkg lifespan |
| 15:34.25 | blackswan | mumpitze1: i could have guess most of that. |
| 15:34.28 | Will_Tampa | slick0_: at this hr Most peole would be working (11::33am) so the chan would be slow |
| 15:34.37 | blackswan | also it's saturday... |
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| 15:34.44 | giuscri | mumpitze1: so, if I need to use ports in range of 6890-6899 and I have *no* firewall, then according to what you're saying any torrent client can use that port. Isn't it? |
| 15:34.49 | blackswan | i'd wager most people are not working. |
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| 15:35.06 | nkuttler | giuscri: no. your boxes on your local network have local IPs |
| 15:35.14 | nkuttler | giuscri: or don't they? |
| 15:35.22 | slick0_ | only cops and 3 letter agencies are working today |
| 15:35.29 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: yes. but if you are behind a NAT (almost all consumers are, by the routers they use), then the outside internet can't reach you there anyways |
| 15:35.54 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: run "/sbin/ifconfig" and check what IPs you have. it if begins with 10. or 192.168. no one can reach you without portforwarding |
| 15:35.58 | giuscri | nkuttler: yes. My computer has 192.168.2.3 as a local IP |
| 15:36.06 | blackswan | that's a local nonroutable address |
| 15:36.12 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: then you will need to portforward the above ports on your router |
| 15:36.20 | Mac101 | thx so may 2014 |
| 15:36.28 | blackswan | giuscri: but if your router isn't doing NAT, then what is? |
| 15:36.30 | nkuttler | giuscri: what blackswan just said. you are isolated from incoming connections |
| 15:36.32 | giuscri | mumpitze1: yes, I'm behind a NAT --what the heck ever that means =) |
| 15:36.45 | blackswan | giuscri: NAT = Network Address Translation |
| 15:36.51 | slick0_ | nest OSs should use ipv6 only that would teach themm not to hide bhind nat |
| 15:37.06 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: it allows you to connect many devices (phone, PC, laptop, another PC, TV, etc) behind a single public IP address. IP addresses are scarce |
| 15:37.08 | blackswan | giuscri: every TCP connection requires, on both ends, an IP address and a port number |
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| 15:37.44 | blackswan | giuscri: a device that does NAT stands between two computers and rewrites the addresses and port numbers, keeping track of how it does so |
| 15:38.18 | slick0_ | yes nat is but an inderance to the all knowing internet |
| 15:38.19 | mumpitze1 | giuscri: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ might tell you in an easy way how to configure the router you have to do it |
| 15:38.21 | blackswan | giuscri: if 192.168.1.1 port 12345 tries to connect to 45.67.89.1 port 123, and there is a NAT device in the way |
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| 15:38.52 | blackswan | giuscri: then the NAT device intercepts the communications and makes it look to 45.67.89.1 like it's coming from 123.45.67.8 port 45867 |
| 15:39.13 | blackswan | giuscri: a device that does NAT does this for many devices, so they can all share the same IP address visible to the rest of the internet |
| 15:39.19 | nabblet | !systemd |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #debian-systemd (irc.oftc.net) and #systemd (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 15:39.33 | blackswan | giuscri: there are also other fiddly things it can do. |
| 15:39.56 | slick0_ | nat resolves the internet ip shortage |
| 15:39.58 | blackswan | giuscri: like it can redirect incoming connections to port 80 to one machine (a web server) and port 25 to another (a mail server) |
| 15:40.05 | slick0_ | no need for ipv6 |
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| 15:40.16 | blackswan | slick0_: i think "resolves" is too strong a word... it is a palliative, no more |
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| 15:40.37 | slick0_ | nat or procies resolve all of that |
| 15:40.42 | slick0_ | proxies |
| 15:40.43 | Dagger2 | slick0_: other than the bit where NAT is horribly broken and leads to horribly broken networks, sure |
| 15:40.50 | Dagger2 | which means it doesn't really solve anything |
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| 15:41.09 | slick0_ | depends on your defenition of broken |
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| 15:41.51 | blackswan | NAT makes a complex topic more complex. |
| 15:41.58 | Dagger2 | you'd have to have a pretty broken definition of broken to think that NAT is a long-term solution |
| 15:42.07 | slick0_ | the way i see it nat is protecting your internal network |
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| 15:42.22 | TriJetScud | ... |
| 15:42.23 | slick0_ | but i guess you have a problem with that |
| 15:42.34 | blackswan | hey, i know, we could have every computer have a database listing routes to every other computer on the internet, just like uucp did. yeah, that'll solve the addressing problem! |
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| 15:42.36 | TriJetScud | I just facepalmed when I saw NAT |
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| 15:42.40 | C00re | NAT is nice. especially when my ISP in secret made a NAT444 of their networks :D |
| 15:42.42 | Dagger2 | no, protection is good, I just don't see that NAT does it |
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| 15:42.47 | Dagger2 | I has firewall for this sort of stuff |
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| 15:43.20 | giuscri | mumpitze1, blackswan : ok, thank you. At the moment I'm trying to have a look at portforward.com ...I'm keeping you informed. =) |
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| 15:43.49 | slick0_ | all you need is a pricies at isp level to solve all ips shortage |
| 15:43.56 | slick0_ | proxie |
| 15:44.03 | blackswan | will be back in a bit, to attempt to return in double measure or more the help he received |
| 15:44.48 | MindChild | I've done my due diligence trying to find some documentation on this, but rather spend another hour, I'm just going to ask here. WHen installing debian, it gets to a point where you select the tasks of the machine (runs tasksel). Where do I get a list of packages that the tasks install? Currently, I want to set the task to 'DNS Server', but if it is going to install bind instead of dnsmasq, |
| 15:44.49 | MindChild | Ill just skip it and do it manually |
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| 15:45.30 | MindChild | or perhaps it doesnt even actually install a DNS daemon |
| 15:46.03 | Dagger2 | slick0_: what use would the internet be if you can't make connections to anyone? |
| 15:46.13 | slick0_ | "dns server" doesnt install a ds deamon? |
| 15:46.21 | mumpitze1 | MindChild: man tasksel has a list of parameters. one of them shows you every package which is installed for each task. most debian users ignore tasksel and install only the stuff they want themselves |
| 15:46.29 | mumpitze1 | well, most experienced debian users |
| 15:47.04 | tremon | ,i task-dns-server |
| 15:47.05 | judd | Package task-dns-server (tasks, optional) in wheezy/i386: DNS Server. Version: 3.14.1; Size: 0.8k; Installed: 21k |
| 15:47.07 | mumpitze1 | MindChild: IIRC the "DNS Server" task installs bind |
| 15:47.08 | slick0_ | what i dot want issomebody onnection to me |
| 15:47.08 | MindChild | mumpitze1: that is what I found in the online documentation, but right now, I dont actually have a live system |
| 15:47.48 | mumpitze1 | MindChild: doesn't matter. don't install anything at this point. you can later at any time run tasksel again and let it install anything you want if you choose to do so |
| 15:47.49 | nkuttler | there's a task to install bind? .. |
| 15:47.57 | tremon | MindChild: see https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel (but you can't het the full info without installing tasksel first, how's that?). the task dns server installs bind9 |
| 15:48.11 | MindChild | mumpitze1: ok, I appreciate it. That is what I needed |
| 15:48.14 | MindChild | thank you very much |
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| 15:48.45 | Dagger2 | slick0_: yeah, well, firewall |
| 15:49.00 | Dagger2 | slick0_: CGNAT etc just screws over the people that do want inbound connections (like, say, the webservers you're connecting to) |
| 15:49.22 | mumpitze1 | or your torrent client, or your skype conversation. or thousands of other thing |
| 15:49.23 | mumpitze1 | s |
| 15:50.04 | slick0_ | i neer hadanytrouble connectiong skype behind nat |
| 15:50.20 | mumpitze1 | this only works due to supernodes |
| 15:50.31 | tremon | slick0_: of course not, but have you asked the people writing such software? |
| 15:50.45 | mumpitze1 | someone must have a public IP who can route your skype traffic |
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| 15:51.11 | C00re | cgnat, is that the 444 shit? |
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| 15:51.18 | C00re | pardon my french |
| 15:51.23 | tremon | yes, carrier-grade nat |
| 15:51.23 | Dagger2 | C00re: yep |
| 15:51.45 | C00re | that was the thing i had problems with |
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| 15:53.01 | C00re | PS3, webserver, ssh and other stuff didnt work |
| 15:53.14 | C00re | from outside |
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| 15:53.37 | C00re | no wonder.. wrote an angry letter to the isp, then a friend of mine on irc saw the letter and fixed it |
| 15:53.40 | C00re | public ip again :D |
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| 15:54.39 | C00re | isp didnt give any notice to their customers, just a little change in their FAQ about it |
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| 16:03.50 | olof | hello. i want to install a nfs server on my debian server |
| 16:04.02 | olof | How do I know if it is nfs4 or 3? |
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| 16:04.08 | olof | nfs-kernel-server |
| 16:04.35 | tremon | the nfs kernel server can provide both, it depends on configuration |
| 16:05.15 | olof | my class says i need portmapper aswell. why? |
| 16:05.54 | tremon | to help you along? |
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| 16:10.00 | ggoes | Does anyone know of a way to quit X11 from the command line, short of killing the process? There's a bug in my window manager that keeps X open even after the WM itself quits. |
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| 16:11.45 | epsilon | ./etc/init.d/gdm restart may help |
| 16:12.00 | epsilon | if not, kill X |
| 16:12.30 | ggoes | Unfortunately I don't use a login manager, and X is started by root. |
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| 16:14.09 | Sisk | I'm looking for some opinions on what the best automounting package for my system would be. I'm running Wheezy with fluxbox and thunar as my file manager. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:15.04 | tremon | Sisk: what do you need to automount? |
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| 16:15.40 | slick0_ | http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519241/report-suggests-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-computerization/ |
| 16:16.00 | Sisk | Just flash drives and CDs. |
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| 16:16.18 | slick0_ | so i recon finally men are freed from forced labour |
| 16:16.53 | tremon | slick0_: take it #offtopic please |
| 16:17.50 | tremon | Sisk: thunar should be able to automount itself, as long as you have gvfs installed |
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| 16:18.15 | Sisk | I must be missing it then. I'll grab it out of the repository. Thanks. |
| 16:18.44 | tremon | I use autofs myself, but that's quite a static configuration (doesn't automount unknown usb sticks for example) |
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| 16:21.23 | Sisk | It looks like I do have gvfs installed. I guess I need to do some troubleshooting. |
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| 16:24.31 | olof | How would one know that etc/exports is handling the shares from NFS? when i installed nfs and then dpkg -S nfs-kernel-server it said nothing about exports? |
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| 16:26.23 | maxyz | olof: Most packages don't tell you how to use them when you install them |
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| 16:28.36 | giuscri | Hi there. Sounds like I have found the way of opening ports (making them `listening`) in my router. Now: how can check if I'm right. Someone here has already told me that I could use `nmap` yet I'm finding some troubles. |
| 16:29.10 | giuscri | The same with `lsof -i :<port_number>` which return nothing. |
| 16:29.26 | austeregrim | giuscri, using nmap is okay if you have an outside way of testing |
| 16:29.52 | giuscri | austeregrim: that means?... |
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| 16:30.11 | austeregrim | giuscri, you can use a website google shieldsup |
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| 16:30.22 | austeregrim | that was designed to test ports |
| 16:30.29 | austeregrim | to see how they respond |
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| 16:30.49 | austeregrim | or you could have someone else test the ports, like me... |
| 16:30.52 | tremon | olof: by using the internet? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+nfs+setup |
| 16:31.16 | olof | tremon, without internet |
| 16:32.22 | tremon | olof: good question, well I always start with dpkg -L $package | grep etc |
| 16:32.36 | tremon | or dpkg -L $package | grep doc |
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| 16:33.56 | giuscri | austeregrim: mhn. You? How can we do that?... Anyway, now I'll try a website; but now I've seen that `lsof -i :<port_number>` returns always false. Also when `port_number==21` which I thought should be always open. |
| 16:35.16 | austeregrim | giuscri, well since you're saying you've opened the ports on your router... testing from inside your network isn't going to do anything... or anything useful. The website I'm talking about runs a test like nmap, but in a friendly way. |
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| 16:35.54 | tremon | giuscri: port 21 is ftp, why would that be always open? |
| 16:36.36 | austeregrim | tremon, like port 22.... it's ssh it should be always open too... lol |
| 16:36.49 | giuscri | tremon: I don't know. I thought it was for email sending/receiving ... (sorry for my ignorance, but I'm veeeeeery a newbie for networking) |
| 16:36.58 | tremon | that's 25 |
| 16:37.36 | giuscri | austeregrim: So, we can use `nmap` together?... |
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| 16:37.53 | austeregrim | giuscri, |
| 16:37.54 | austeregrim | no |
| 16:38.03 | austeregrim | I'd use nmap to test your IP address |
| 16:38.14 | austeregrim | to see what ports are open |
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| 16:38.55 | Brigo | giuscri: why are you tring to open port for? |
| 16:39.23 | giuscri | ok. How can we do that? I have to give you the output of which command? |
| 16:39.39 | giuscri | Brigo: I'd like to use a rtorrent (a torrent client). |
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| 16:40.37 | austeregrim | you dont have to do anything I have your IP... I can test |
| 16:41.18 | giuscri | austeregrim: ok, can you please? =) |
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| 16:43.00 | austeregrim | giuscri, 25, 27, 83, 157 are open |
| 16:44.12 | giuscri | austeregrim: ...oh, gosh. So I have done nothing ...I was meant to open 6890 ! |
| 16:44.21 | austeregrim | erm 72 not 27 |
| 16:44.30 | austeregrim | I didn't test 6890 |
| 16:44.52 | austeregrim | 6890 is closed |
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| 16:45.38 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:45.45 | Posterdati | how can I stop that foolish runsvdir? |
| 16:46.29 | giuscri | austeregrim: last one; can you test 6898 please? |
| 16:46.49 | austeregrim | it's closed also |
| 16:46.51 | maxyz | giuscri: You need to have something listening in that port |
| 16:47.07 | giuscri | maxyz: that means opening the torrent client? |
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| 16:47.15 | austeregrim | maxyz, I assumed he had his torrent program running |
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| 16:47.47 | giuscri | maxyz, austeregrim : oops, sorry both. Wait a second ... |
| 16:47.48 | austeregrim | what is with everyone wanting to use debian for torrenting? |
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| 16:48.55 | giuscri | maxyz, austeregrim : ok. I've just opened `transmission` and set it to use port 6898. |
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| 16:49.15 | giuscri | austeregrim: why *not* debian? What should one use? |
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| 16:49.17 | austeregrim | yup something is responding on 6898 |
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| 16:49.31 | giuscri | austeregrim: ok! Really really really thank you! |
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| 16:49.57 | austeregrim | giuscri, no I'm just commenting that people come in here asking for assitance with setting up torrenting or some other nefarious activity |
| 16:49.58 | maxyz | Posterdati: something you have installed is using runit, runsvdir is part of it. |
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| 16:51.13 | austeregrim | giuscri, my question is why debian... or why bother the debian channel... that's not really what the debian channel is for. imho |
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| 16:51.46 | kyze | maxyz thanks for the help earlier |
| 16:52.00 | kyze | debian is installing onto usb atm :) |
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| 16:52.14 | maxyz | kyze: welcome, great. :) |
| 16:52.33 | giuscri | austeregrim: mhn, I see ... Which channel do you reccomend for basic question about networks? Just #networking? =) |
| 16:53.06 | ripero | Hi, I'm running wheezy, and I would like to start using webcams (I'm gonna buy one); I've read that there used to be problems with the focus / autofocus features, is this already working? |
| 16:53.43 | austeregrim | giuscri, i don't know... maybe... I just kind of figure #debain is for setup configuration, modification and use of debain... not something as specific as setting up ports for a torrent client. |
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| 16:54.22 | giuscri | austeregrim: ok. Thank you for your couresy anyway =) |
| 16:54.31 | kyze | always thought torrenting was dead |
| 16:54.45 | austeregrim | me too |
| 16:55.16 | giuscri | kyze: what other p2p alternatives? |
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| 16:55.25 | kyze | getting caught is to easy when you dont do it via vpn or some sorts of other protection |
| 16:55.38 | kyze | p2p is all kinda dangerous |
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| 16:55.55 | kyze | loading from oneclickhosters is popular in germany |
| 16:56.01 | austeregrim | I'd just go for the old fashioned newsgroups method for p2p |
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| 16:56.44 | maxyz | ripero: Mmh, I don't think there is an issue with focus, but you might want to check if the particular webcam you want to buy has good reviews and is supported. |
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| 16:57.51 | maxyz | Anyway, most webcams use a usbvideo protocol which is well supported. |
| 16:58.32 | ripero | maxyz: I've read that "automatic focus" (e.g. from Logitech) is not a part of the uvc standard, and therefore it is only supported via the windows drivers |
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| 17:01.22 | maxyz | ripero: Mmh, I see, there is a libwebcam which does provide the support of the autofocus feature. |
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| 17:03.08 | maxyz | ripero: As I said, check info about the specific model you want to buy. |
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| 17:04.07 | ripero | maxyz: thanks for the information about libwebcam |
| 17:04.19 | ripero | do you know where I can find whether a model is supported or not? |
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| 17:05.23 | ripero | I already found in http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ the model I am interested in, but finding info about the AF feature seems nontrivial |
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| 17:06.49 | tdkkk | hello, has anyone tried to install debian on a tablet using a Tegra CPU? |
| 17:07.06 | maxyz | No, no specific site. sometimes the debian wiki can give you clues. |
| 17:07.32 | ripero | ok, thanks, maxyz |
| 17:07.54 | raghdip | on a similar note, whats the smallest device on which debian has been successfully tested |
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| 17:08.07 | maxyz | If you get it to work, post it in the debian wiki. :) |
| 17:08.37 | austeregrim | isnt android based on debian? |
| 17:08.38 | raghdip | we've installing it on tp-link mr3020 with openwrt |
| 17:08.50 | raghdip | full functionality i meant |
| 17:08.59 | maxyz | raghdip: Smallest in which regard? |
| 17:09.04 | ParadoxGuitarist | Hi, I'm trying to package some pre-compiled content on Fedora in a .deb for debian users, and I'm not sure if i686 is a valid architecture. The app is compiled for 32 bit, and in Fedora i686 is recognized as 32 bit for i368 and X86_64 but maybe it's something else.... |
| 17:09.13 | maxyz | The sheevaplug is quite small |
| 17:09.14 | raghdip | cost, form factor , computing |
| 17:09.32 | ParadoxGuitarist | austeregrim: Android is running a modded Linux Kernel. |
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| 17:10.05 | ParadoxGuitarist | So a little yes a little no. |
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| 17:10.14 | austeregrim | so yes |
| 17:10.38 | maxyz | raspbian recompiles armhf (armv7) for armv6 so it works in the raspberry, which is quite cheap. |
| 17:10.43 | ParadoxGuitarist | but you can say the same about Fedora/Ubuntu/ |
| 17:10.57 | raghdip | it isnt |
| 17:10.59 | tdkkk | So whichever device can run Android could also run debian? |
| 17:11.10 | raghdip | when you compare m3020 with anything it just falls apart |
| 17:11.26 | austeregrim | tdkkk, yes, but the major problem is drivers, and getting things to work... it is possible though |
| 17:11.28 | ParadoxGuitarist | tdkkk: True, if it was compiled right. |
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| 17:12.14 | ParadoxGuitarist | austeregrim: But devices that run vanilla android are using the drivers in the kernel which will all be in the linux kernel as well. |
| 17:12.21 | raghdip | rasbians there but the cost is like $65 for the whoel setup |
| 17:12.48 | ParadoxGuitarist | I got side tracked... I'm trying to package some pre-compiled content on Fedora in a .deb for debian users, and I'm not sure if i686 is a valid architecture. The app is compiled for 32 bit, and in Fedora i686 is recognized as 32 bit for i368 and X86_64 but maybe it's something else.... |
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| 17:12.58 | austeregrim | ParadoxGuitarist, agreed, but those generic devices, generally have oem linux system images available also |
| 17:13.04 | tdkkk | nvidia seems to develop drivers for linux on the tegra CPU? |
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| 17:13.45 | ParadoxGuitarist | Screw nvidia. |
| 17:13.54 | superflit | what is the best way to install mysql 4.xx at debian 7.1? (legacy problem) |
| 17:13.56 | mumpitze1 | ParadoxGuitarist: the arch of debian is 386 and usually packages are compiled for 486. some packages are for 686 like libc6-i686 |
| 17:14.17 | mumpitze1 | superflit: a chroot of an old debian installation |
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| 17:15.05 | superflit | mumpitze1: your solution I never thought about that before…..but it seems….really smart…. any cons? |
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| 17:15.22 | ParadoxGuitarist | mumpitze1: So I should probably mark them i486 in the control file? It sucks because I don't ahve the source and have no idea of how it's actually compiled. |
| 17:15.23 | mumpitze1 | superflit: takes diskspace, takes RAM |
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| 17:15.46 | mumpitze1 | ParadoxGuitarist: mark with what tag? |
| 17:15.55 | superflit | mumpitze1: how much ram, do you have any links or pointers for that? |
| 17:16.01 | mumpitze1 | ParadoxGuitarist: do you have a 486 era PC around? *g* |
| 17:16.15 | jelly-home | superflit: you seems to have accept the largest con, ie. using old, unsupporsted software |
| 17:16.19 | mumpitze1 | superflit: mainly the additional amount the old libraries need |
| 17:16.33 | mumpitze1 | so not too much |
| 17:16.53 | mumpitze1 | jelly-home: that one is apparently non-negotiable or he wouldn't have asked if it worked with 5.5 |
| 17:17.02 | ParadoxGuitarist | I'm trying to figure out what to put in the control file under Architecture: i686 |
| 17:17.06 | superflit | jelly: and mumpitze1 : do you have a good pointer or url for chroot todo? |
| 17:17.11 | ParadoxGuitarist | That's what I currently have |
| 17:17.35 | mumpitze1 | !tell superflit about schroot just in this case it's an ancient version of debian |
| 17:17.35 | ParadoxGuitarist | But that's the libs it calls on in 64 bit Fedora |
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| 17:17.46 | mumpitze1 | !tell superflit about schroot |
| 17:17.51 | maxyz | ParadoxGuitarist: Use i386 |
| 17:17.52 | mumpitze1 | just in this case it's an ancient version of debian |
| 17:18.04 | ParadoxGuitarist | Thanks maxyz. |
| 17:18.04 | mumpitze1 | ParadoxGuitarist: architecture is i386 as I told you above |
| 17:18.08 | jelly-home | superflit: see also /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 17:18.32 | ParadoxGuitarist | Sorry must have missed that part mumpitze1 |
| 17:18.33 | ParadoxGuitarist | Thanks guys, you're awesome! |
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| 17:19.05 | superflit | mumpitze1: thank you |
| 17:19.13 | superflit | jelly-home: thank you too |
| 17:19.34 | civillian | Hi all |
| 17:19.52 | jelly-home | superflit: and for a less specific example. https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
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| 17:20.17 | civillian | I'm trying to make a whole disk backup to a file which I can mount on another system to retrieve files etc. |
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| 17:21.17 | xand | civillian: easy. |
| 17:21.27 | xand | civillian: though you probably want just one partition |
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| 17:21.51 | civillian | xand: Yes, it's an md array, so another file system would be acceptable |
| 17:22.08 | kyze | no luck :( my debian install fails :( |
| 17:22.11 | civillian | I think file-level backup is best for this |
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| 17:22.56 | civillian | genisoimage seems to be the obvious choice |
| 17:23.00 | vortek | hi |
| 17:23.07 | tdkkk | any websites/blogs/documentation on how to install debian on a hybrid-tablet? |
| 17:23.37 | vortek | is there a way to use a wireless conection of of cd1 to install? |
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| 17:24.27 | civillian | but I think it has reduced my file names to 8.3 style, even though I added the -R rock ridge option |
| 17:24.51 | somiaj | vortek: if your wireless connenction requires nonfree firmware you will have to get a copy of the firmware to bring it up |
| 17:25.01 | somiaj | vortek: the easiest way is to use a nonfree firmware images |
| 17:25.06 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 17:25.07 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 17:25.39 | vortek | but they will ulet me pick the ssid? |
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| 17:26.00 | somiaj | some wireless cards dont' require firmware, in that case it should jsut work |
| 17:26.15 | civillian | xand: what method would you use? |
| 17:27.20 | xand | dd if=/dev/md0 of=somefile bs=128M |
| 17:27.22 | xand | for example |
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| 17:27.35 | xand | but unmount md0 or whatever first |
| 17:28.21 | vortek | somiaj: that url is black on my end coul you check it on yours? |
| 17:28.32 | somiaj | which one? |
| 17:28.43 | civillian | xand: and to mount that somefile, how would I do that? |
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| 17:28.57 | xand | civillian: mount -o loop somefile /some/directory |
| 17:28.58 | somiaj | curses his middle mouse button and it usually double clicking when pasting |
| 17:29.16 | somiaj | vortek: works just fine here, gives me a list of directories so I can download the correct image |
| 17:29.24 | civillian | xand: even though it's an md and it has an ext3 filesystem, loop will figure this out? |
| 17:29.38 | vortek | dam |
| 17:29.47 | xand | civillian: md doesn't come into it |
| 17:30.14 | civillian | xand: right, because it's presented as an ordinary block dev |
| 17:30.21 | xand | civillian: firstly you're just copying from a block device with the dd, and secondly by the time you mount it, it's not related to the original disks anymore |
| 17:30.24 | darkapp | hey ctcpme |
| 17:30.31 | darkapp | u there? |
| 17:30.50 | civillian | xand: ok I will try that. Thanks :) |
| 17:30.51 | xand | you can put -t ext3 when you mount it, but probably don't need to |
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| 17:30.59 | vortek | i got it now |
| 17:31.07 | civillian | xand: magic |
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| 17:32.29 | vortek | somiaj: : so just burn this to cd a bootit? |
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| 17:33.43 | vortek | somiaj: ? |
| 17:34.05 | somiaj | yes those images will allow you to use your wirelss card and install from the internet with it |
| 17:34.17 | vortek | sweet |
| 17:34.23 | vortek | thankyou |
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| 17:34.50 | vortek | somiaj: will it allowe me to select the ssid? |
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| 17:37.07 | vortek | someone ping me please |
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| 17:37.09 | Ritzton | hello |
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| 17:38.21 | babilen | vortek: yes, this is all documented in the install guide |
| 17:38.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell vortek -about install debian |
| 17:38.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell vortek -about ig |
| 17:38.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell vortek -about firmware image |
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| 17:42.03 | asherawelan | I am trying to preseed an unattended install, and for some reason my pressed recipe isn't populating this as expected and I'm getting this screen - can someone please advise me what to change? http://d.pr/i/31RD http://d.pr/n/iJtp |
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| 17:57.35 | darkapp | for anyone here from last night, SOUND THE ALARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:57.43 | darkapp | I GOT PEERGUARDIAN WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:57.52 | darkapp | ctcpme: |
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| 18:03.27 | tonph | hi all, just a beginner.. was trying to install agilo on trac...m using wheezy, but m getting ths error "Unable to locate package" when i run this sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python, libapache2-mod-python-doc, g++, libgtk-dev,python-gtk2-dev, libpng3, libfreetype6, python-numpy, python-imaging,python-imaging-tk, python-imaging-doct. Any idea to resolve this ? |
| 18:03.31 | austeregrim | darkapp, I hope you're also spoofing your mac address... that gets sent out on every packet, and identifies you to every website you go to |
| 18:03.43 | tremon | asherawelan: try adding d-i mirror/country string manual, no sense specifying a country when you're going to supply a hostname anyway |
| 18:03.54 | darkapp | umm no |
| 18:04.37 | darkapp | i tried that once, didnt end well |
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| 18:05.29 | asherawelan | tremon: just strange that the host is not even filled in to what i specified... |
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| 18:06.06 | jelly-home | austeregrim: incorrect, the MAC address is only visible within the local network segment and does not get forwarded further from the closest gateway router |
| 18:06.13 | tonph | :( |
| 18:06.35 | darkapp | austeregrim: is my mac address particularly traceable? also if im doing stuff through tor browser bundle, is my mac address still sent? |
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| 18:07.45 | tremon | asherawelan: also note that you can specify DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 on the (installer) kernel command line and get much more logging in the alt-f4 screen |
| 18:07.54 | ompaul | darkapp: not enough people use tor to make it useful |
| 18:07.56 | ctcpme | yeah, mac is layer 2, it doesn't route |
| 18:08.16 | darkapp | ompaul: u know there 100's of thousand of users right? |
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| 18:10.21 | Somelauw | I want to add the mirror nl.debian.org/debian-backports to my sources.list |
| 18:10.22 | ompaul | darkapp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 and that's only one thing, loitering on tor for a long time is interesting http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/tor-is-less-anonymous-than-you-think |
| 18:10.44 | Somelauw | I tried many variations on deb ftp://nl.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main, but none of them work. |
| 18:10.57 | ompaul | darkapp: also this discussion is offtopic for #debian |
| 18:11.15 | rgwu | ompaul: you shoulda been here last night |
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| 18:11.34 | ompaul | rgwu: no, I had no obligation ;-) |
| 18:11.44 | tremon | Somelauw: try ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/ (or http://, if you must) |
| 18:11.44 | rgwu | lol |
| 18:11.44 | ompaul | wanders back into his corner |
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| 18:11.58 | jelly-home | Somelauw: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main |
| 18:12.00 | darkapp | ohai rgwu |
| 18:12.07 | rgwu | hey |
| 18:12.11 | darkapp | i got peerguardian running |
| 18:12.15 | rgwu | good |
| 18:12.17 | ctcpme | hey, running an irc session on a logic analyzer isn't off topic... i connected to a debian server, i got this |
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| 18:13.11 | Somelauw | tremon, jelly-home: I tried both of them already. |
| 18:13.20 | rgwu | darkapp: how much longer after I left did it take you? |
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| 18:13.33 | darkapp | till about 10 minutes ago |
| 18:13.35 | kyze | so i made a bootable usb with unetbootin and the installation of debian always fails (the failing step is: install the system) any tips ? |
| 18:13.42 | rgwu | Wow. |
| 18:13.44 | jelly-home | Somelauw: pastebin the complete output of apt-get update |
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| 18:13.52 | darkapp | i was one step away when u left |
| 18:13.57 | darkapp | but i left too :p |
| 18:14.01 | rgwu | ah |
| 18:14.03 | tremon | Somelauw: that mirror doesn't appear to have wheezy, only squeeze |
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| 18:14.20 | tremon | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/ |
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| 18:15.22 | ctcpme | kyze: why aren't you using the hybrid iso? just write it straight to usb? |
| 18:15.36 | tremon | try http://http.debian.net/debian-backports, it always redirects to a working mirror (or should, at least) |
| 18:16.06 | kyze | ctcpme how would i do that ? which iso would i have to download ? |
| 18:16.13 | tremon | kyze: press alt-f4 when the install fails, see if you can spot the real error in the log |
| 18:16.34 | ctcpme | kyze: long as you're downloading the latest iso it should be hybrid, then just write it directly to usb |
| 18:16.45 | ctcpme | kyze: like 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' |
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| 18:16.51 | jelly-home | Somelauw: oh well, apparently backports moved to the main path, so deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 18:17.03 | ctcpme | kyze: or 'dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX' |
| 18:17.43 | ctcpme | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 18:18.42 | ctcpme | windows you can use ntrawrite or win32 disk imager or something along those lines |
| 18:19.46 | Somelauw | tremon: That didn't work: https://pastee.org/ekad7 |
| 18:20.32 | jelly-home | !wheezy-backports |
| 18:20.33 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 18:20.47 | jelly-home | Somelauw: ^^ |
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| 18:20.49 | Quest | how to see which dirs in my system have more than 1 gb size ? |
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| 18:21.09 | tremon | Somelauw: see what jelly-home wrote, backports has been folded in the main archive |
| 18:21.14 | rgwu | quest: du |
| 18:21.25 | jelly-home | Somelauw: also, mint is not debian :-| |
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| 18:21.44 | Quest | rgwu, du -H just shows the full size |
| 18:21.52 | kyze | @ctcpme @tremon letting the install run once again for the f4 result; i used the "debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop" iso; would copying it right to usb work? no need to make it "bootable"?; tried dd with the iso, failed to load the isolinux.bin |
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| 18:22.33 | Somelauw | !bdo |
| 18:22.34 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 18:22.55 | tremon | kyze: did you dd it to the complete usb disk, so dd of=/dev/sdN, not /dev/sdN1 ? |
| 18:23.34 | tremon | also, I'm not entirely sure that the -live images are hybrids too. They might, but I never used them |
| 18:23.52 | Somelauw | jelly-home: lmde is a binary compatible ripoff :-P |
| 18:23.57 | somiaj | they are, though I miss the old usbhdd imaegs they use to make |
| 18:24.09 | jelly-home | Somelauw: and not supportable on this channel |
| 18:24.17 | jelly-home | !lmde |
| 18:24.20 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:24.32 | kyze | it was dd if="name of iso.iso" of=/dev/sdb1;bs=4M; sync |
| 18:24.52 | kyze | minus the one ; before the bs |
| 18:25.16 | tremon | kyze: try again with of=/dev/sdb (without the 1) |
| 18:26.10 | kyze | tremon alright will do that, just waiting the f4 result right now |
| 18:26.18 | rgwu | quest: du -hH | grep '^[0-9]*G' gives only folders w/ 1 Gig or more |
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| 18:28.01 | tremon | kyze: most likely, if you've already managed to boot the installer, re-writing it to sdb will not change anything. Normally when people do that, they end up with an unbootable stick |
| 18:28.09 | C00re | isnt "find" better usage for that? |
| 18:28.17 | rgwu | probably |
| 18:28.21 | kyze | tremon alt-f4 shows a bunch of read-errors regarding squashfs |
| 18:29.00 | kyze | tremon alright, the bootstick works its just the install that fails, even the live-version runs decent |
| 18:29.36 | C00re | for example find -size 1GB ... |
| 18:29.40 | C00re | for example find -size 1G ... |
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| 18:30.04 | austeregrim | kyze, if the bootstick boots, it's not the stick.. it's the installer... |
| 18:30.07 | tremon | C00re: but can find filter on /directories/ of a certain size? or only files? |
| 18:30.25 | C00re | -type d (directory) |
| 18:30.44 | Quest | rgwu, this is quit strange that my / is 3.3G but df -H is showing up /dev/xvda1 8.5G 8.0G 56M 100% / http://pastebin.com/gWQ0wc6K |
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| 18:31.07 | tremon | C00re: -size: "file uses N units of space" |
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| 18:31.17 | C00re | hmh ok |
| 18:31.25 | kyze | austeregrim should i load a new iso ? try something other than unetbootin ? |
| 18:31.29 | jelly-home | tremon: no, find does aggregate results on its own (and that's what would have to be done to determine the total size of all the files in a directory) |
| 18:31.33 | austeregrim | kyze, it's actually probably something to do with your system not mounting the usb properly... or conflicting... or unmounting when it tries to install... |
| 18:31.50 | tremon | C00re: jelly knows best :) |
| 18:31.54 | tremon | kyze: your download may simply have been corrupt |
| 18:31.54 | mumpitze1 | kyze: you should never use unetbootin for debian |
| 18:32.29 | mumpitze1 | kyze: under what OS are you creating your stick? |
| 18:32.44 | kyze | linux mint |
| 18:32.53 | Quest | whats wrong? |
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| 18:33.03 | mumpitze1 | kyze: then use sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdc (or whatever your usb stick is) |
| 18:33.14 | mumpitze1 | kyze: unetbootin is known to cause many problems |
| 18:33.25 | kyze | mumpitzel alright ill give it a try |
| 18:33.32 | jelly-home | kyze: make sure the stick is not mounted at the time of that cp |
| 18:33.47 | jjzz | i tried unetbootin for ubuntu and it's ok. |
| 18:33.54 | mumpitze1 | jjzz: debian is not ubuntu |
| 18:33.59 | jelly-home | jjzz: it's not ok for debian. |
| 18:34.27 | jjzz | right. thanx you. i'm trying debian |
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| 18:34.48 | rgwu | quest: don't know what's wrong |
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| 18:35.49 | kyze | mumpitzel jelly-home thanks a bunch, trying it right now |
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| 18:36.34 | jelly-home | Quest: hunt for files still open by processes but unlinked from the filesystem. Roughly, "lsof -n | grep deleted" |
| 18:36.49 | rgwu | quest: df is reporting partition sizes and du is reporting folder amounts irrespective of mount points |
| 18:37.01 | rgwu | although your's sees screwed up in the wrong direction |
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| 18:37.16 | rgwu | We would expect to see larger values from du than df |
| 18:37.31 | jelly-home | who's we |
| 18:38.21 | jelly-home | rgwu: or are you just using the royal pronoun |
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| 18:38.42 | punjab-pete | I have a 16GB sdhc card with Raspbian on it. Why is the "df" command showing very little memory left on it? I have not put in any data files on it. It has the OS and some extra programming languages like R and Haskel. http://pastebin.com/j2ACXQjt |
| 18:38.53 | jelly-home | !raspbian |
| 18:38.54 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 18:39.26 | Quest | jelly-home, rgwu see line 38 and 14 conflicts with line 19 . why ? http://pastebin.com/0MXeCZ4Y |
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| 18:39.59 | jelly-home | Quest: you have already pasted that, and I've commented on it. |
| 18:40.07 | rgwu | quest: same ^ |
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| 18:40.30 | jelly-home | Quest: is this a Debian system? |
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| 18:50.44 | un214 | apache doesn't run from your context |
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| 18:51.59 | val_erie | un214, thanks for responding, could explain a bit more. What do you think I should do? |
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| 18:52.31 | un214 | unfortunately I know essentially nothing except for checking from your login shell is not very meaningful |
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| 18:57.16 | kyze | mumpitzel jelly-home even now the installation fails :( (after the cp deb.iso /dev/sdb) |
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| 18:58.11 | austeregrim | does that even work? cp file.iso to /dev/sdN? |
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| 18:58.38 | kyze | austeregrim it did work, boot went fine but im getting read-errors mid copy |
| 18:58.53 | austeregrim | i wonder if your thumb drive is bad. |
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| 18:59.24 | tremon | austeregrim: yes, it works. It's not my preferred way of doing it though, because people don't expect cp to be used like that |
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| 19:00.37 | kyze | tremon would this work backwards ? as in pulling an image from a stick into an iso-file ? |
| 19:00.47 | austeregrim | kyze, yes |
| 19:00.54 | austeregrim | in theory, but it's better to use dd |
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| 19:01.16 | rgwu | you would need the exact size of the iso wouldn't you? |
| 19:01.20 | austeregrim | I use dd to back up sd cards all the time |
| 19:01.30 | Quest | jelly-home, rgwu lsof -n | grep deleted shows nothing. and how can a deleted file be still in use? |
| 19:01.36 | rgwu | oh, just pull the whole thing |
| 19:01.50 | rgwu | quest: process hasn't released a file handle |
| 19:01.59 | austeregrim | the file is still in memory |
| 19:02.18 | Quest | hm |
| 19:02.21 | austeregrim | you can delete, and remove a drive and linux will still run, if it's loaded in memory |
| 19:02.28 | Quest | the memory is 600mb and the file is 4g |
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| 19:03.12 | kyze | this should work however, right ? dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync |
| 19:03.26 | Quest | rgwu, austeregrim ^ |
| 19:03.33 | rgwu | quest: the file's contents weren't in memory |
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| 19:04.14 | rgwu | If a program opens a file, then deletes it, and doesn't close the file handle for a while, then lsof will still show it. |
| 19:04.24 | tremon | kyze: that does nothing more than the cp you previously tried. However, you can md5sum both the device and the iso and compare them |
| 19:04.36 | rgwu | And, apparently, this affects file/folder size reporting according to jelly. |
| 19:04.52 | tremon | you'd need to md5sum only the first part of the usb stick though, which is where dd again comes in handy |
| 19:05.22 | rgwu | but he'd need the exact size of the iso |
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| 19:05.53 | tremon | rgwu: dd if=<iso> bs=4k | sha1sum, and dd will give you the size of the iso :) |
| 19:06.12 | tremon | then use dd if=<stick> count=<what dd said> bs=4k | sha1sum |
| 19:06.27 | tremon | (assuming the iso is a multiple of 4k in size) |
| 19:06.42 | rgwu | that actually doesn't matter |
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| 19:06.55 | rgwu | It will truncate the final block iirc |
| 19:07.13 | tremon | it will for the iso, it won't for the stick (which is probably larger than the exact size) |
| 19:07.32 | rgwu | ah |
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| 19:08.03 | tremon | otherwise a safe bet would be to sha1sum both, for (count-1) blocks |
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| 19:11.02 | kyze | tremon i ran md5sum on the iso and /dev/sdb without options and its not matching |
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| 19:11.23 | austeregrim | kyze, it wont |
| 19:11.30 | austeregrim | because they are not the same size |
| 19:11.42 | austeregrim | everything at the end of sdb will be added into the md5 |
| 19:11.46 | austeregrim | thus a missmatch |
| 19:11.56 | kyze | so i cant match them at all ? |
| 19:12.02 | rgwu | you already suspect it's bad, just get a new copy |
| 19:12.06 | austeregrim | you have to do it block by block |
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| 19:12.18 | tremon | kyze: look at what I wrote 10 lines above, you can use dd to match only the first part of the stick and compare it with the iso |
| 19:12.21 | austeregrim | or get an image of the sdb the same size as the iso |
| 19:12.46 | kyze | tremon ah alright ill try that |
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| 19:14.19 | austeregrim | i wonder could you do a diff check between a block device and an image |
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| 19:14.48 | tremon | you can, there are binary diff tools |
| 19:16.01 | tremon | check man cmp, for example |
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| 19:19.13 | kyze | tremon alright dd/sha1 ran and the differ too, although the size on sdb is still shown as 8,1gb |
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| 19:20.04 | tremon | are there any errors in dmesg? otherwise you have an usb stick that's failing silently, and you should probably never use it again |
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| 19:21.06 | rgwu | he's probably still not comparing a section of the stick matching the exact size of the iso |
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| 19:22.01 | tremon | ah, missed that. kyze, did you use count= when sha1summing the stick? |
| 19:22.15 | kyze | yes |
| 19:22.28 | rgwu | count=<you put a value here> ? |
| 19:22.29 | kyze | i used the commands you specified |
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| 19:22.50 | tremon | ok, and you used the same blocksize (just to be sure)? |
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| 19:23.16 | morsik | hi |
| 19:23.45 | werxxx | How I can get a CD debian OS |
| 19:24.07 | dvs | werxxx: www.debian.org, top right corner |
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| 19:24.24 | zinx | werxxx: full install will be many many CDs :/ |
| 19:24.33 | werxxx | Or DVD |
| 19:24.41 | zinx | slightly less DVDs |
| 19:24.42 | dvs | or BD |
| 19:24.56 | austeregrim | what about just preinstalled hard drives? |
| 19:25.25 | tremon | werxxx: if you have a reliable internet connection, it's probably best to download the netinstall cd, the installer will download the rest |
| 19:25.27 | zinx | austeregrim: debian isn't quite one-size-fits-all enough for that |
| 19:25.30 | werxxx | I haven't normal internet |
| 19:25.34 | mumpitze1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.59 | tremon | remembers to wipe exim from his new kvm node |
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| 19:26.05 | zinx | mumpitze1: no, but you can get the CDs required for it. it'll just be a crapton of them, mostly with stuff you'll never need :P |
| 19:26.07 | austeregrim | zinx, what if you could customize it online, and order a preinstalled hd |
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| 19:26.19 | werxxx | I want to buy DVD |
| 19:26.34 | mumpitze1 | werxxx: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 19:26.55 | austeregrim | or better, just a prebuilt pxe server |
| 19:26.56 | werxxx | Thx I will |
| 19:27.01 | austeregrim | with an apt-cache |
| 19:27.03 | crunch-choco | hi there, is there are reason why "systemctl disable mysqld" does not work on debian? |
| 19:27.36 | mumpitze1 | crunch-choco: cause debian is not fedora or another distro that uses systemd |
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| 19:29.32 | crunch-choco | mumpitzel: oj i see, hm how do we proceed with debian? i read abt rcconf |
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| 19:29.53 | epsilon | proceed to achieve what? |
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| 19:30.10 | mumpitze1 | crunch-choco: update-rc.d |
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| 19:31.37 | crunch-choco | mumpitze1: oh great, thanks! |
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| 19:34.24 | crunch-choco | brb |
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| 19:40.31 | punjab-pete | How do you select a random file in a directory to play or email etc? |
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| 19:42.28 | tremon | punjab-pete: select, how? with shell script? find | sort -R | sed 1q |
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| 19:42.51 | punjab-pete | tremon, shell script |
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| 19:50.26 | tremon | punjab-pete: in case it wasn't clear, find | sort -R | sed 1q is a way to do what you want from a shell script |
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| 19:53.01 | tremon | ,file bin/dch |
| 19:53.07 | judd | Search for bin/dch in wheezy/i386: devscripts: usr/bin/dch |
| 19:53.30 | tremon | err, sorry for the noise. that was /msg in my head |
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| 20:13.40 | colonolGron | i try to change my console font on tty via setfont and get "kdfontop: argument is wrong" because the resolution is also not nice, i thought maybe i should first adjust it. so i edited /etc/default/grub and added grub_gfxmode=1280x1024 and the same for grub_gfxpayload_linux but it doesnt work |
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| 20:14.02 | colonolGron | oh and after changing i ran "update-grub" |
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| 20:18.21 | tremon | fafaik there is no reliable way to set the console resolution, and the grub resolution won't carry over to the kernel. You need to delve into the specifics of your graphics driver, see what it offers |
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| 20:20.25 | colonolGron | oh, i see |
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| 20:20.34 | colonolGron | i will try |
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| 20:27.54 | colonolGron | thank you tremon, it turned out that there was a problem with my graphics card driver |
| 20:28.20 | tremon | you're welcome. mind sharing what it was? |
| 20:28.26 | austeregrim_ | finally |
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| 20:28.43 | XnOSX | hello everybody |
| 20:29.14 | colonolGron | tremon: sure. something silly really. i installed my driver. but it needed some additional package "firmware-linux-nonfree" which i didnt realize |
| 20:29.55 | tremon | ah, you have a radeon card? or have other vendors followed suit? |
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| 20:30.18 | tp43 | how do run a program directly from X |
| 20:30.22 | XnOSX | I have a machin with 2 ethernet card´s, Im trying to configure those card´s but when I make ping to one each card the traffic goes always for the same card! |
| 20:30.28 | colonolGron | yes its a radeon card. what does the package contain exactly? |
| 20:30.48 | austeregrim | tp43, what do you mean? you don't exactly run a program from x. |
| 20:30.55 | XnOSX | anybody know a shell tool wizard to configurate network on Debian 7 |
| 20:30.58 | XnOSX | ? |
| 20:30.59 | colonolGron | tp43: run it from a terminal or use a launcher like dmenu. if thats what you mean |
| 20:31.20 | tremon | colonolGron: it's the firmware code for the graphics processor. In recent versions, that microcode is also necessary for 2d operation |
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| 20:31.42 | tp43 | Sorry I mean how do you run a text program directly from the text shell |
| 20:31.57 | colonolGron | tremon: is it ATI/radeon specific? because it sounds like it is something general |
| 20:32.05 | austeregrim | tp43, ./nameofprogram |
| 20:32.18 | tp43 | austeregrim, an X program man |
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| 20:33.00 | austeregrim | tp43, export DISPLAY=ip_address && ./nameofprogram |
| 20:33.02 | austeregrim | ? |
| 20:33.14 | tremon | colonolGron: more or less. nvidia requires firmware files too, but they're not freely available afaik, the nouveau driver uses their own microcode. Intel's graphics cards don't need firmware iirc |
| 20:33.39 | tremon | so the radeon firmware is the only one that you need firmware-linux-nonfree for |
| 20:33.45 | colonolGron | i see |
| 20:34.14 | austeregrim | tp43 maybe I don't understand what you're asking |
| 20:34.29 | tp43 | austeregrim, yeah, thanks anyways |
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| 20:34.37 | tremon | austeregrim: in that case, you don't need export and &&: DISPLAY=ip_address ./nameofprogram |
| 20:35.25 | austeregrim | tremon, ok |
| 20:35.28 | austeregrim | lol |
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| 20:35.46 | tremon | XnOSX: what exactly do you hope to gain with a graphics tool? It's not you can use pretty pictures to make ip addresses easier |
| 20:35.57 | tp43 | How do you run an program that requires X without starting gnome or kde or fluxbox, but directly from the text terminal like how it was in the old days |
| 20:36.07 | austeregrim | tp43 like I said |
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| 20:36.22 | austeregrim | tp43, DISPLAY=0:0 ./programname |
| 20:36.24 | tremon | tp43: with fear of stepping on your lawn, startx ./program |
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| 20:36.40 | austeregrim | I'm assuming you have x running |
| 20:37.19 | tremon | I'm assuming he hasn't ;) |
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| 20:37.53 | tremon | now we've covered al the bases :) |
| 20:37.56 | austeregrim | yup |
| 20:38.18 | austeregrim | at least I was correct with what he was wanting to do |
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| 20:39.57 | tremon | austeregrim: you were correct before too, you just added unnecessary characters :) |
| 20:40.19 | austeregrim | but export will provide it for the rest of the session... |
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| 20:40.31 | austeregrim | right? |
| 20:40.35 | tremon | yes, it does |
| 20:41.13 | austeregrim | i do know things! |
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| 20:45.13 | bernhard1 | problem updating php5 when i do apt-get upgrade php5 it gives The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:45.13 | bernhard1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.13 | bernhard1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.48 | mumpitze1 | !kept back |
| 20:45.49 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
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| 20:46.00 | bernhard1 | Wheb ii try to install with: apt-get install php5 |
| 20:46.01 | bernhard1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:46.02 | bernhard1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.04 | mumpitze1 | bernhard1: could it be you are using dotdeb packages? |
| 20:46.11 | bernhard1 | might be... |
| 20:46.19 | tremon | mumpitze1: spot on |
| 20:46.19 | mumpitze1 | yes you are. we don't support dotdeb cause their packages are awful |
| 20:46.24 | babilen | bernhard1: We do not support dotdeb packages, ask them for instructions on how to deal with them. |
| 20:46.29 | babilen | dpkg: dotdeb |
| 20:46.30 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 20:46.48 | mumpitze1 | bernhard1: our suggestion is to uninstall them all with extreme prejudice. salted earth strategy |
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| 20:47.12 | babilen | Purge them all and purify thyself! |
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| 20:47.32 | mumpitze1 | and don't forget to purify your sources.list too |
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| 20:49.18 | bernhard1 | So i only have a problem with php5.. when i purge it. how do i install from another source ? |
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| 20:50.33 | bernhard1 | and what are the dotdeb alternatives ? |
| 20:50.55 | somiaj | bernhard1: /msg dpkg dotdeb alternatives |
| 20:51.02 | somiaj | ,v php5 |
| 20:51.03 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; jessie: 5.5.3+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 20:52.11 | somiaj | what is wrong with the debian php5 packages, I thought the wheezy packages supported a lot of what people wanted to use dotdeb for |
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| 20:52.35 | jcbjoe | somiaj: can i get a list of commands from the bots .. a while back i know there was a website |
| 20:52.38 | jcbjoe | , weechat |
| 20:52.46 | jcbjoe | ,v weechat |
| 20:52.47 | judd | Package: weechat on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.4.1-2; sid: 0.4.1-2 |
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| 20:54.17 | babilen | bernhard1: Are you upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? It might be that you or somebody else installed the dotdeb packages in order to get hold of a newer version of PHP - As wheezy ships that version already you do not need dotdeb at all anymore and their packages are of rather questionable quality in our experience. |
| 20:55.26 | menocchio | solved the nfs automounting problem! just had to add noauto,x-systemd.automount in my fstab |
| 20:55.37 | babilen | bernhard1: I would therefore recommend the following: 1. Tell us what you are actually doing 2. Remove the dotdeb entries from your sources.list and run "apt-get update" 3. Purge all of them by running "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" 4. Install PHP from Debian repositories. |
| 20:55.46 | menocchio | it has something to do with the lasted kernel |
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| 21:00.06 | bernhard1 | i am trying to update a squeeze server.. server was not used some time and was not updated. it was a working configuration for running my websites with nginx / php5 etc. nginx stopt working so i thought to update. Then i received these errors.. if upgrading to wheezy is better i would try that .. need some help though. |
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| 21:01.41 | babilen | bernhard1: So you are currently updating the squeeze server to up-to-date packages (in squeeze), but you haven't tackled the upgrade to wheezy yet? |
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| 21:02.35 | bernhard1 | yes |
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| 21:04.28 | babilen | bernhard1: Okay, that shouldn't pose a problem. As I said earlier: I think that PHP was installed from dotdeb repositories was the need to have PHP 5.4 available and the fact that this version isn't in squeeze. As we have released the next stable version in the meanwhile (wheezy) that comes with PHP 5.4 you no longer need dotdeb packages and you can just upgrade to wheezy and use the "standard" Debian packages that are supported by us. |
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| 21:05.34 | babilen | bernhard1: You would therefore do the following: 1. (step 2. from above) 2. (step 3. from above) 3. Upgrade to wheezy 4. Install php from wheezy |
| 21:05.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell bernhard1 -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:05.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell bernhard1 -about release notes |
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| 21:07.02 | babilen | bernhard1: I have no idea why you cannot upgrade those dotdeb packages in squeeze, but we really don't support that. Issues like that are exactly the reason why we warn people of dotdeb |
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| 21:07.38 | thepro4ever | i am writing a java program to auto authenticate via an ssh shession, problem is I need an ssh server to connect too, anyone know if there is a public facing server I can connect to with username and password? |
| 21:08.00 | zdot | thepro4ever: set it up locally lol |
| 21:08.02 | bernhard1 | i removed the lines http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all from sources.list |
| 21:08.17 | bernhard1 | do i need to restart something ? |
| 21:08.28 | thepro4ever | zdot: i don't know how |
| 21:08.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell thepro4ever -about openssh |
| 21:08.41 | zdot | thepro4ever: then you should not do this |
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| 21:09.13 | thepro4ever | i just need a local ssh server |
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| 21:09.18 | thepro4ever | hmmmm |
| 21:09.21 | zdot | then, set up one ... |
| 21:09.32 | thepro4ever | you make it sound easy |
| 21:09.34 | babilen | bernhard1: Oh, start by running "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" and then continue with "apt-get update" |
| 21:09.36 | bernhard1 | <babilen>: i did run apt-get update |
| 21:09.45 | zdot | thepro4ever: because it is fucking EASY |
| 21:09.56 | thepro4ever | fuck no its hard |
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| 21:10.05 | babilen | bernhard1: Ah, you probably need the entry in your sources.list to be able to run that aptitude command (sorry for that) |
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| 21:10.13 | zdot | one more sentence like this and i'll start ignoring you |
| 21:10.27 | babilen | thepro4ever, zdot: Could we please refrain from swearing and keep it professional? |
| 21:10.51 | zdot | how can i act when a guy says stting basic ssh up is difficult |
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| 21:11.28 | zdot | and whines about it here |
| 21:11.45 | babilen | thepro4ever: Just install the openssh metapackage for both client and server and you are done. |
| 21:11.45 | babilen | (did you read the message dpkg (our bot) sent you?) |
| 21:12.24 | thepro4ever | its intstalling right now |
| 21:12.28 | zdot | thepro4ever: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=setting+up+ssh |
| 21:12.44 | tremon | questions the wisdom of using a remote shell for authentication in a java app |
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| 21:12.59 | babilen | zdot: Help him (or her?) to achieve a functional installation of OpenSSH that satisfies the requirements. If it is that easy it shouldn't be too hard to provide instructions ... add additonal explanations and pointers to documentation if you want to be more thorough. |
| 21:13.04 | bernhard1 | <babilen> from "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" http://pastebin.com/PKCmbMDx |
| 21:13.18 | rgwu | questions the dev ability of someone without his own ssh setup |
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| 21:13.41 | zdot | babilen: wel, the dude says he's writing a prog to make something with ssh but he don't know how to setup this and whines about it |
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| 21:14.36 | babilen | bernhard1: Oh, *sigh* |
| 21:15.45 | tremon | rgwu: that's sadly quite common for people with a windows background |
| 21:15.53 | bernhard1 | <babilen> just changed "squeeze" to "wheezy" in sources.list |
| 21:16.03 | babilen | bernhard1: hang on please |
| 21:17.03 | rgwu | tremon: yeah |
| 21:17.22 | bernhard1 | <babilen> and did apt-get update |
| 21:17.22 | bernhard1 | getting to correct info |
| 21:17.25 | babilen | bernhard1: Apparently you also installed mysql packages from dotdeb and the purging of, in particular, libmysqlclient16 causes the removal of exim4-daemon-heavy as it depends on the mysql library. |
| 21:17.26 | bernhard1 | Get:1 http://ftp.debian.nl wheezy Release.gpg |
| 21:17.49 | babilen | bernhard1: I really wouldn't complicate the situation even further by throwing wheezy into the mix. |
| 21:18.21 | bernhard1 | <babilen> yeah.. still a way to upgrade php5 ? |
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| 21:19.43 | jcbjoe | if i go to sid or testing .. will i have more issues or more stuff to do like getting stuff working or what ? |
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| 21:19.53 | babilen | bernhard1: hang on please |
| 21:19.57 | jcbjoe | i like living on the edge |
| 21:20.31 | babilen | jcbjoe: Do you honestly think that your question could be answered in a sensible way? |
| 21:20.54 | rgwu | it is called unstable for a reason |
| 21:21.09 | bernhard1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.15 | jcbjoe | babilen: don't know .. |
| 21:21.24 | babilen | bernhard1: STOP! |
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| 21:22.08 | bernhard1 | <babilen> Sure.. |
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| 21:22.19 | bernhard1 | <babilen> Just telling |
| 21:22.21 | babilen | bernhard1: Please, I am trying to figure out a way to clean up your mess without destroying your system. By throwing in wheezy into the mix you will, most likely, end up with a system that cannot be rescued. |
| 21:22.22 | tremon | jcbjoe: last year, there was a botched library update that rendered entire systems unusable. If you're can't handle / aren't prepared to spend half a day getting your system working again, you shouldn't run testing or sid |
| 21:22.59 | babilen | bernhard1: And if you want to do me a favour you could start using http://paste.debian.net (or http://bpaste.com or http://refheap.com) as that doens't require me to enter a captcha to see your pastes. |
| 21:23.02 | tremon | jcbjoe: not saying that happens every day (it really was a one-time occurrence), but it's the sort of thing you should be able to cope with |
| 21:23.27 | bernhard1 | <babilen> ok |
| 21:23.32 | jcbjoe | tremon: i work from home .. im infront of a computer all day .. i have a backup windows install i dual boot :P i don't have anything on this system important its allbacked up to windows .. i tar the stuff i want and go from there |
| 21:23.44 | babilen | bernhard1: I cannot see that paste btw (it doesn't accept my captcha and I will not enter it another time) |
| 21:24.14 | babilen | bernhard1: Okay, please undo *all* changes to your sources.list. |
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| 21:24.49 | jcbjoe | tremon: even if it gets botched .. i know that there will be a lot of aptitude commands or commands that i never new of that i will no now |
| 21:25.35 | bernhard1 | <babilen> also for : http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all ? |
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| 21:26.10 | tremon | jcbjoe: well, ultimately it's your call. Most of the time you'll be fine, just realize what you're getting into. All updates are non-refundable |
| 21:26.12 | babilen | bernhard1: I can't see a way to purge the dotdeb packages without removing dovecot, exim4 and the other packages temporarily. This means that those services will be unavailable for some time - Is that acceptable? |
| 21:26.19 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 21:26.34 | jcbjoe | le me backup my weechat and i3 config |
| 21:26.46 | rgwu | yes. another i3 user |
| 21:27.02 | jcbjoe | lol |
| 21:27.13 | babilen | jcbjoe: You might want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- I wouldn't recommend unless you are willing to deal with horrible bugs. #722604 and #722580 are current examples that should give you an impression. |
| 21:27.24 | babilen | i3 is horrible (EOM) |
| 21:27.26 | rgwu | jcbjoe: it's just that I've never met one |
| 21:27.37 | rgwu | i3 is awesome |
| 21:27.39 | tremon | rgwu: nice to meer you |
| 21:27.44 | bernhard1 | <babilen> sources.list back to original.. and no problem to have those services unavailable for some time. Will the keep their settings though ? |
| 21:27.46 | tremon | err s/meer/meet/ |
| 21:27.51 | rgwu | after the vertical learning curve |
| 21:27.58 | jcbjoe | rgwu: :D like i said i live on teh edge i try everything .. rgwu yes it is since im on a 13'inc lenova twist .. i3 makes it seem like everything is igger |
| 21:28.20 | rgwu | yeah. and it's SO fast |
| 21:28.26 | jcbjoe | rgwu: i will go yep |
| 21:28.28 | jcbjoe | err |
| 21:28.30 | jcbjoe | yep* |
| 21:29.28 | tremon | babilen: thanks for the heads-up, and... ouch |
| 21:29.33 | babilen | rgwu: No, it design is inherently broken and they decided to remove some of the features that were absolutely fantastic about wmii (dynamic tagging and workspace creation), but added a completely braindead "tree based" container setup. The result is that you cannot tell simply by looking at your screen what a certain action will do as that depends on how you created it. (did I split horizontall or vertically first?) |
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| 21:30.07 | babilen | bernhard1: yes, they will keep their configuration (just don't purge *them*) |
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| 21:30.25 | bernhard1 | <babilen> oke. just what do i do from here. |
| 21:30.29 | rgwu | babilen: I like the tree based design. |
| 21:30.43 | rgwu | I typically don't forget what keystrokes I entered 0.6 seconds previously |
| 21:30.54 | wood_quinn_ | Is it possible to validate an installer media once it's been written to a USB drive, outside of using the installer? |
| 21:30.55 | babilen | bernhard1: Okay, mind running "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" again but answering "n" three or four times this time? You can then paste that output to http://paste.debian.net and we can see if aptitude comes up with other solutions. |
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| 21:32.31 | bernhard1 | <babilen> http://paste.debian.net/40299/ |
| 21:32.33 | babilen | rgwu: I have much longer intervals between changes - A design that reacts differently based on its creation history but doesn't make that history visible in some way is IMHO broken. I want to be able to predict which window I am closing or moving somewhere. |
| 21:33.04 | jcbjoe | im assuming i need to take out wheezy-backport from my sources.list and add in testing then update and distupgrade correct ? |
| 21:33.15 | rgwu | babilen: that is a valid complaint |
| 21:33.15 | babilen | rgwu: And I cannot forgive the i3 upstream that they call themselves the successor of the (wonderful!) wmii but removed the single most awesome feature that essentially *defined* wmii. |
| 21:33.37 | wood_quinn_ | babilen: What feature is that? |
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| 21:33.52 | bernhard1 | <babilen> http://paste.debian.net/40300/ |
| 21:34.00 | rgwu | babilen: I came along after, so I assume this wmii feature somehow indicated container state. |
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| 21:34.10 | babilen | rgwu: It's okay if you don't mind, but I can't stand i3 due to these two reasons. One is, admittedly, a bit emotional and due to me missing wmii, but the other drove me insane. Just wanted to elaborate and not only rant :) |
| 21:34.19 | jcbjoe | am i right ? |
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| 21:34.28 | babilen | wood_quinn_: dynamic tagging and workspace creation |
| 21:34.32 | tremon | babilen: so what are you using atm? |
| 21:34.45 | babilen | wood_quinn_: Let me sort out bernhard1 for now and I can explain that in detail in a second |
| 21:34.46 | wood_quinn_ | i3 doesn't dynamically create workspaces anymore? |
| 21:34.49 | babilen | tremon: awesomewm |
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| 21:34.51 | wood_quinn_ | (It doesn't do tagging period.) |
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| 21:34.56 | kyze | i need some help once again, as im unable to install debian; im getting "debootsrap: segmentation fault" and after "bootstrap-base failed with error code 1" |
| 21:35.01 | wood_quinn_ | I've used i3, but never used wmii. |
| 21:35.11 | babilen | wood_quinn_: I'll tell you in a second |
| 21:35.20 | tremon | jcbjoe: there is no backports for testing, there is no need for it |
| 21:35.27 | jcbjoe | tremon: got it |
| 21:36.05 | kyze | tremon youre still here! any further advice ? im using a different stick with a freshly downloaded 7.1.0 netinstall |
| 21:36.43 | tremon | kyze: and it's crashing like that? When is the last time you ran a memtest? |
| 21:36.46 | DarwinSu1vivor | I've created a live-cd image, but I can't get it to connect to the network via DHCP at boot time (though I can get one by running "dhclient eth0" manually) |
| 21:36.52 | babilen | bernhard1: Okay, the first option is still the best bet. Please go ahead with that and install all packages you need/want from that list (probably all of bsd-mailx dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d exim4 exim4-daemon-heavy (and so on) |
| 21:37.22 | DarwinSu1vivor | I noticed that /etc/network/intefaces get overwritten at boot time (and replaces "auto-eth0" with "allow-hotplug eth0") |
| 21:37.50 | babilen | bernhard1: But before you reinstall them you have to remove dotdeb from your sources.list and run "apt-get update" -- those packages will then be able to pull in the *Debian* version of libmysqlclient16 this time and can be reinstalled. |
| 21:38.08 | DarwinSu1vivor | the live-cd is meant to be used on some headless machines, so automatic dhcp is pretty important (everything else is working perfectly) |
| 21:38.10 | kyze | tremon yeah the installation fails; its actually quite new and ran about 3 weeks with nas4free without problem so im not really guessing its the hardware; i could run a test though |
| 21:38.20 | tremon | kyze: I'm afraid it really looks like a hardware issue, since you have downloaded multiple downloads and multiple usb sticks, with completely different errors every time. Anything useful on the alt-f4 debug screen, or only the segfault? |
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| 21:39.02 | babilen | wood_quinn_: Okay, the way wmii worked was that you started with a single workspace "1" and that you could open clients there. Each client could be tagged with multiple tags (say "www", "chat", "bug#424242", "chat_with_wood_quin") |
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| 21:39.09 | kyze | tremon it is the error im seeing, the bootstratp segmentation fault |
| 21:39.46 | babilen | wood_quinn_: Each workspace could show one to many tags (so you could easily group tags, (say +bug123+terminals) and so on. |
| 21:39.57 | kyze | is there any way i could get a debian install on a stick in another way, and then just boot when sticking it in the machine ? |
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| 21:40.32 | babilen | wood_quinn_: The result of this was a very dynamic workflow in which you started with semantically undefined workspaces, but then grouped windows into semantic units based on the work you were doing |
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| 21:41.16 | wood_quinn_ | babilen: Ah. So you're upset i3 doesn't have that, and instead goes with the workspace-oriented paradigm? |
| 21:41.17 | babilen | wood_quinn_: So, I started out working on a bug and would then tag all clients/windows that are relevant for that bug with that tag. If I wanted to see them again I would open a workspace that shows that bug ... |
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| 21:41.46 | tremon | kyze: at this moment, I suggest you try to find a separate pc and try again with that machine. If that works, the stick (and iso) is fine. But it seems odd anyway, whether it's your downloads mysteriously failing or your hardware working fine with freenas but not debian |
| 21:41.47 | rgwu | babilen: my monitors are too small for that. |
| 21:42.00 | babilen | wood_quinn_: yes - that is my "oooh, I miss it because this was so damn fantastic about wmii" argument. The reason why I can't stand i3 is its unpredictability that I simply cannot live with. |
| 21:42.32 | wood_quinn_ | I stopped using i3 for a while after they made some API changes that weren't compatible with my previous install. |
| 21:42.42 | wood_quinn_ | Some libxcb update. |
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| 21:43.01 | babilen | rgwu: It's not about monitor size ... you were able to define autotagging rules as well so that, say, iceweasel would always be tagged +www once it was started and your audioplayer +audio and so on ... |
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| 21:43.12 | rgwu | yeah, I get it. |
| 21:43.20 | rgwu | I've never used anything like that, so I don't miss it. |
| 21:43.40 | babilen | rgwu: It was simply a completely different workflow that was amazing. It might not sound like it but I *really* do miss it. I guess I should just take a week and implement it :) |
| 21:43.46 | kyze | tremon damn so i need a pc where i can kill the os.. |
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| 21:44.07 | rgwu | I enjoy the vi style commands and the speed at which I can easily setup and switch between progs on i3. |
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| 21:44.17 | rgwu | I miss i3 while on Win7 at work. |
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| 21:44.45 | tremon | kyze: or disconnect the harddisk, boot from one usb disk and install to another. You only need to test the install sequence |
| 21:44.46 | wood_quinn_ | There's KDE for windows, I can't imagine you couldn't get i3 working on Windows if you really want it :D |
| 21:45.13 | rgwu | my employer would frown on that |
| 21:45.24 | kyze | tremon thats whats happening right now, im having only 2 sticks connected, one with the image and the other more or less empty :/ |
| 21:45.29 | tremon | but who'd want that? There are even less apps for windows keyboard-oriented than for linux |
| 21:45.38 | rgwu | true |
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| 21:46.04 | wood_quinn_ | Requiring employees to use Windows is a travesty. |
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| 21:46.33 | tremon | kyze: can you retry the installation step? does it do the same when you try it again? |
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| 21:47.02 | rgwu | Ubuntu is allowed, but the software I write is for other folks where I work, and they are on Windows. |
| 21:47.14 | kyze | tremon did it 3 times, im now trying to switch the stick that debian is getting installed on too |
| 21:47.17 | tremon | is quite happy with the kvm install on his laptop, running employer-mandated win8 in a vm |
| 21:47.21 | jcbjoe | wierd |
| 21:47.52 | babilen | rgwu: No, sure .. I understand that, but prefer awesomewm over i3 due to the reason elaborated on earlier. |
| 21:47.53 | rgwu | Yeah, no VM's on your machines are allowed. |
| 21:48.13 | jcbjoe | guys i put stable in my sources.list i get errors .. first of all can you tell me if the stuff in sources.list is right http://paste.debian.net/40303/ |
| 21:48.15 | wood_quinn_ | Yet another travesty. |
| 21:48.18 | tremon | kyze: it could also be that your usb ports are fried. |
| 21:48.21 | babilen | And guys, lets maybe continue this chat in #debian-offtopic as we are drifting further and further away from actual support. |
| 21:48.28 | rgwu | It's a terrible dev environment. |
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| 21:48.40 | jcbjoe | s/stable/testing/ |
| 21:49.20 | kyze | tremon would be a weird issue when 6 ports are dead; the sticks are alle recognised too; but you cant rule out everything thats right |
| 21:49.20 | babilen | jcbjoe: There are no "jessie-updates" and "testing" and "jessie" are two very different things. It's okay to use "jessie" in there, but don't say its "testing" when its not. |
| 21:49.30 | kyze | gotta restart, brb |
| 21:49.35 | jcbjoe | ok babilen so im using testing |
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| 21:49.39 | babilen | bernhard1: What's your status? |
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| 21:50.19 | babilen | jcbjoe: No, you are using jessie (in your sources.list that is) which is perfectly fine, but it is not the same as using "testing" -- The difference doesn't matter *right now*, but will become *very* important once we make a release. |
| 21:50.44 | rgwu | which won't be for some time |
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| 21:52.44 | babilen | rgwu: I've seen too many people wreck their installs after the release because they used a "stable" or "testing" when they should have used the actual codename |
| 21:53.08 | rgwu | babilen: Sorry, I wasn't disputing your point. |
| 21:53.16 | rgwu | I agree that's the correct way. |
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| 21:56.13 | DarwinSu1vivor | how can I make debian do dhcp on boot (/etc/network/interfaces get overwritten)? |
| 21:56.17 | jcbjoe | does my sources.list look good now ? http://paste.debian.net/40305 |
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| 21:58.05 | babilen | jcbjoe: No, there is still no jessie-updates (as that wouldn't make sense. You could include jessie-proposed-updates though. |
| 21:58.06 | rgwu | jcbjoe: inconsistent whitespace. Wouldn't call it good... :) |
| 21:58.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell jcbjoe about jessie sources.list |
| 21:58.57 | babilen | jcbjoe: And *seriously* running a development release *is* a lot of work .. please familiarise yourself with Debian! The handbook is wonderful |
| 21:59.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell jcbjoe about handbook |
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| 21:59.29 | jcbjoe | thanks babilen i will take my chances .. i will look at dpkg also |
| 21:59.49 | babilen | rgwu: I wasn't under the impression that you were really disputing the point .. it *is* true that the next relase wont' happen for a while. It will happen eventually though :D |
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| 22:00.30 | nabblet | hi - in what way can a foldersizes be measured? i backup with dirvish. it makes incremental backups but it also hardlinks the "missing" files in the incremental backups to make it appear as if it copied the whole folder. if i use du i get a foldersize of 2 GB for my incremental backup, but if i use thunar it says it's 8 GB. i am pretty sure 2 GB is the right number. |
| 22:00.36 | rgwu | babilen: After enough time has passed that someone's forgotten they needed to change the target's in their setup. |
| 22:00.49 | nabblet | so who is thunar doing it wrong? - i can't find out how thunar counts folder size |
| 22:00.51 | xand | nabblet: 8 is right |
| 22:01.22 | xand | nabblet: if you run du on just that dir it should show 8 GB too |
| 22:01.31 | nabblet | xand: what i want to say: i am sure that i changed about 2 GB relative to the last backup |
| 22:01.38 | xand | nabblet: yes |
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| 22:02.18 | xand | nabblet: if you create hardlinks to files, you are making two filesystem entries which are as valid as each other - unlike a symlink |
| 22:02.19 | nabblet | xand: wooot! |
| 22:02.26 | xand | they are both pointers to the same inode |
| 22:02.35 | nabblet | xand: you're right, if i run it on that folder only, it's 8 GB |
| 22:02.36 | xand | du only counts each inode once |
| 22:02.49 | tremon | DarwinSu1vivor: what do you mean "gets overwritten"? |
| 22:03.21 | nabblet | xand: ok - so far so good, understood but: the folder i back up is 12 GB |
| 22:03.24 | xand | so you could have two directories that are 8GB each but also 8GB total |
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| 22:03.42 | babilen | bernhard1: ping? |
| 22:04.11 | xand | nabblet: erm well that sounds like it didn't copy anything, or the 12GB is on a very inefficient FS |
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| 22:06.59 | nabblet | xand: xand i backup my home dir. du says it's 12 GB and it's on ext4. my backup (external hdd) is ext2 |
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| 22:07.58 | xand | I would du each directory in it to find out what's missing |
| 22:08.13 | tremon | nabblet: that doesn't matter. If you create hardlinks, the same file shows up in multiple directories, but du can't tell which is the primary copy and which is secondary. So it counts those file each time it sees them, no matter in how many directories they show up |
| 22:08.14 | DarwinSu1vivor | tremon: When debian boots (it's a live-cd), the /etc/network/interfaces file gets overwritten with something completely different (I pretty sure by isolinux) |
| 22:08.30 | xand | tremon: there is no primary/secondary :) |
| 22:08.44 | xand | tremon: and it only counts them once |
| 22:08.48 | nabblet | tremon: no, xand is right. df only counts the first time it sees the file |
| 22:09.02 | nabblet | tremon: i just found it in the man page.. or info file, not sure anymore |
| 22:09.55 | nabblet | xand: hm, can the ext4 vs ext2 account for ~ 50% storage overhead? |
| 22:10.05 | xand | nabblet: I don't think so |
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| 22:10.13 | nabblet | xand: me neither |
| 22:10.17 | xand | I'd say something's missing |
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| 22:10.21 | xand | or miscounted |
| 22:10.36 | nabblet | xand: i think miscount. dirvish uses rsync |
| 22:10.50 | prompt32 | help |
| 22:10.51 | nabblet | xand: do you know fitting options to run a diff? |
| 22:11.16 | nabblet | xand: ha! i know it - i think it's .cache and alike |
| 22:11.24 | tremon | xand: hmm? oh I get it, you mean if a hardlinked file is in the same subtree multiple times, du counts it only once |
| 22:11.33 | monkwitdafunk | Hi, where can i run hardinfo with debian amd64 and post my results? |
| 22:11.40 | nabblet | xand: i set dirvish to ignore .cache and other dirs that maintain temp data |
| 22:12.05 | DarwinSu1vivor | tremon: right now I've resorted to an auto-login with a script in .profile which *works*, but feels kind of hacky :( |
| 22:12.06 | nabblet | tremon: yes. if it is "seen " in the same count, it's only considered once |
| 22:12.18 | tremon | xand: I was referring to the case where you have a/file and b/file hardlinked, then a du a/ and du b/ will both count that file |
| 22:12.33 | xand | tremon: but not "du a/ b/" |
| 22:12.53 | tremon | indeed, it appears so :) |
| 22:13.29 | tremon | DarwinSu1vivor: does your live cd have network-manager? It's the only thing I can imagine would overwrite interfaces |
| 22:14.32 | DarwinSu1vivor | tremon: no, it is a VERY stripped down install (134MB iso after compression) |
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| 22:16.26 | nabblet | xand: ok, i think eversything is clear now. i have apprx. 4 GB of data in home don't back up (temorary folders and MATLAB) - so everything is fine now. diff says it's ok too. would have been surprise if dirvish/rsync failed. thank you for that hard link counting explaination |
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| 22:16.53 | tremon | DarwinSu1vivor: well I can't tell you how /e/n/interfaces gets overwritten, but there's a kernel option (I think ip=dhcp) that is normally used for kernel-level autoconfiguration (for e.g. nfsroot), maybe you can abuse it here |
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| 22:22.58 | Will_Tampa | Hi all |
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| 22:27.57 | DarwinSu1vivor | trench: I've tried that (with a few different formats), and all it did was put even *weirder* entries in /e/n/interfaces |
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| 22:29.29 | pie_ | Im using a laptop, my touchpad works fine, but I just plugged a mouse in and it doesn't move the mouse, it has power and its listed in dmesg. any ideas? |
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| 22:30.00 | biberao2 | hi |
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| 22:33.29 | DarwinSu1vivor | pie_: do the buttons (left/right/etc) work? |
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| 22:34.11 | biberao2 | isnt nvidia 325 supported on debian= |
| 22:34.13 | biberao2 | ? |
| 22:34.22 | pie_ | DarwinSu1vivor, no |
| 22:39.11 | DarwinSu1vivor | pie_: assuming it's a usb mouse, what is it listed as in "lsusb"? |
| 22:39.50 | pie_ | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 15d9:0a4d Trust International B.V. Optical Mouse |
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| 22:41.36 | DarwinSu1vivor | pie_: do you have xev installed? |
| 22:41.56 | pie_ | looks like it |
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| 22:43.42 | DarwinSu1vivor | run xev and see if it captures anything from the mouse (note: xev will need focus and the cursor will need to be over the window) |
| 22:44.07 | DarwinSu1vivor | also, make sure you run xev in a terminal (because that's where it will output what it captures) |
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| 22:44.43 | DarwinSu1vivor | if you move the mouse over the window using the touchpad, you should see the terminal scroll quite quickly, see if it also happens when trying to move the cursor with the usb mouse |
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| 22:47.32 | pie_ | yeah it doesnt seem to get anything from the mouse |
| 22:50.24 | nabblet | hi - i installed aiccu (a client for sixxs ipv6 tunels) but i need root to run it. the conf file contains login credentials to the sixxs website, so i think that's the reason why it is ls -al /etc/aiccu.conf -rw------- 1 root root - how can i start it as normal user? |
| 22:51.26 | Dagger2 | I think it may well need root to create the tunnel interface and set the default v6 route over it too |
| 22:51.42 | nabblet | Dagger2: you're right. |
| 22:51.58 | nabblet | Dagger2: in that case i'll make it autostart |
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| 22:52.56 | DarwinSu1vivor | pie_: did dmesg also show any errors when it detected the mouse? |
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| 22:53.27 | Monotoko | I need to upgrade apache to the Debian 7 version, but can't upgrade the server yet (we have some game breaking bugs when I try that I can't debug yet) |
| 22:53.33 | Monotoko | what would be the best way to do it? |
| 22:53.51 | pie_ | DarwinSu1vivor, i didnt see any but ill look again |
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| 22:54.27 | DarwinSu1vivor | pie_: you've checked that the mouse works in other computer right...? |
| 22:54.59 | pie_ | doesnt look like ther are any errors but "[44475.976370] input: USB OPTICAL MOUSE as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/input/input20" that input keeps getting incremented |
| 22:55.14 | pie_ | i dont have any others i can check on but it worked earlier today on a friends laptop |
| 22:55.27 | pie_ | the following line: [44475.976533] generic-usb 0003:15D9:0A4D.0005: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [ USB OPTICAL MOUSE] on usb-0000:00:03.0-3/input0 |
| 22:55.32 | pie_ | brb |
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| 22:57.02 | Monotoko | the reason I can't do the full upgrade is because we have some perl daemons coded about a decade ago that fall over when I upgrade, it's on my job list but I probably won't get to it for a week or two |
| 22:57.25 | jcbjoe | 88thanks for that info babilen im still going to upgrade |
| 22:57.25 | Monotoko | PCI compliance requires Apache to be 2.2.23 though -.- |
| 22:57.35 | jcbjoe | like i said im on the computer all day i like fixing stuff thats broke |
| 22:57.52 | jcbjoe | i have 3 computers in front of me |
| 22:57.55 | jcbjoe | o_O |
| 22:57.55 | nabblet | Dagger2: i just saw there is an option in aiccu's config file to let it automatically start at boot - so no worries |
| 22:57.58 | Monotoko | *2.2.22 |
| 22:59.36 | Monotoko | also, why does forums.debian.org redirect to 127.0.0.1? >.> |
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| 23:02.11 | Krugger | maybe forums.debian.net will not show 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 23:05.27 | Monotoko | Krugger: it's been a long Saturday that I'm not even supposed to be working, thank you :) |
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| 23:05.48 | Monotoko | Krugger: I don't understand why .org redirects to localhost and not to the .net forums though |
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| 23:06.03 | pie_ | back |
| 23:08.05 | Krugger | Monotoko: I have no DNS resolution for the .org |
| 23:08.23 | DarwinSu1vivor | pie_: I'm not really sure what else to suggest. Maybe someone else with have some other ideas |
| 23:08.52 | pie_ | ok thanks anyway :( |
| 23:09.04 | pie_ | perhaps the touchpad is overriding it orsomething? |
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| 23:09.29 | Krugger | Monotoko: Google DNS seems to agree with me - nslookup debian.forums.org 8.8.8.8 |
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| 23:18.24 | Monotoko | Krugger: odd, the virgin media servers come back with my own address for the .org, I need to change to Google |
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| 23:21.25 | xand | Monotoko: forums.debian.org does not resolve to anything |
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| 23:21.44 | xand | but it shouldn't resolve to localhost I imagine, probably VM being rubbish. |
| 23:21.57 | Krugger | Monotoko: I would say something is broken over at virgin media. Ask them for another random name to see if they are by default returning 127.0.0.1 for everything they can't resolve. |
| 23:22.46 | Monotoko | Krugger: yeah they are... i've already tried it, I've just changed my DNS to Google for now (I usually have 'em set to Google, I just got a new laptop) |
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| 23:24.16 | Krugger | Monotoko: I would say you can report to them, that their DNS flawed and is breaking the internet :P |
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| 23:26.49 | jcbjoe | also i was told that if im on sid or testing i don't have to be a dev i can just be on it |
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| 23:36.03 | Monotoko | Krugger: done, I doubt they will do anything, they don't care that they're breaking things :( |
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| 23:47.09 | Walhter | hey all, what should I do? I replaced my failed drive in my raid5 arrey but now I get warnning about partition being misaligned. |
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| 23:49.27 | Walhter | it looks like my new drive is smaller then 2 older drives. Do I need to shrink my raid? |
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| 23:54.27 | jcbjoe | you guys ever heard of packagesearch ? |
| 23:54.30 | jcbjoe | its awesome |
| 23:54.42 | LittleCreature | is there some sort of alternative to imagemagick which doesnt require dbus and many other dependancies |
| 23:55.57 | LittleCreature | looks like it needs X11 too? |
| 23:56.27 | berarma | really, are they depends or recommends? anyway what's the problem? |
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| 23:57.17 | jcbjoe | 12lol |
| 23:57.24 | jcbjoe | s/12lol/lol/ |
| 23:57.29 | babilen | dpkg: lol |
| 23:57.30 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 23:57.59 | berarma | TIL hehhee |
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| 23:58.56 | jcbjoe | you have to try this packagesearch |
| 23:59.02 | jcbjoe | ,v packagesearch |
| 23:59.03 | judd | Package: packagesearch on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6+b1; jessie: 2.7.3; sid: 2.7.3; wheezy: 2.7.3 |
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| 23:59.17 | LittleCreature | berarma: yes they are dependances x11-common and dbus (among many others) |
| 23:59.39 | jcbjoe | i have a lot of results for uploaders LittleCreature |
| 23:59.57 | LittleCreature | debian wants to install 86MB of dependancies just for imagemagick convert |
