| 00:00.04 | berarma | LittleCreature: and that's a problem? |
| 00:00.05 | jcbjoe | sheesh |
| 00:00.38 | LittleCreature | berarma: its a headless VPS server with 85MB of space i dont want to waste on dependancies for things i dont require |
| 00:01.34 | berarma | ok, so space it's your constraint, good to know |
| 00:02.05 | LittleCreature | and dbus seems like a sort of crazy dependancy for what im trying to accomplish |
| 00:02.49 | jcbjoe | LittleCreature: whats the name of the app imagemagic-convertor ? |
| 00:02.52 | berarma | LittleCreature: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 00:03.38 | LittleCreature | i wanted to use convert in a bash script to generate a simple image |
| 00:05.02 | jcbjoe | LittleCreature: i only see imagemagic-common imagemagic imagemagic-dbg |
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| 00:07.32 | jcbjoe | LittleCreature: side chat if you don't mind |
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| 00:26.20 | sammy | anyone have any experience with bridged networking on a qemu vm? I'm missing something for sure |
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| 00:28.16 | zykotick9 | sammy: have you seen https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections what's the specific issue? |
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| 00:30.28 | w1r3z | i installed debian 7 netinst on a laptop and booted it. i have a command line with limited commands. what do i do? |
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| 00:32.50 | LtL | w1r3z: decide what you want to install especially if you have a very basic installation. |
| 00:33.59 | sammy | zykotick9: I have, and I fear I'm running into an issue using /etc/network/interfaces rather than manually setting up the bridge each time |
| 00:34.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell w1r3z about install xorg |
| 00:35.13 | zykotick9 | sammy: perhaps if you put your interfaces file on paste.debian.net it could get some eyes on it... |
| 00:35.28 | babilen | w1r3z: Sounds as if you actually wanted to install the Desktop task, but didn't. Not a problem as you can install everything now. You would have to configure network-manager in that case yourself though as your network connection will now be configured in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
| 00:35.35 | babilen | (without the .d) |
| 00:36.10 | sammy | zykotick9: sorry :) still trying to actually find the issue. its a weird jumble of IPs and if-up/down scripts. let me reset to what the docs suggest and ill pastebin the interfaces file |
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| 00:39.09 | sammy | zykotick9: I'm actually following https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU trying what they suggest there, which seems as straight forward as editing my /e/n/interfaces properly and running qemu with the correct -net options. |
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| 00:43.38 | babilen | sammy: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking is good documentation |
| 00:45.22 | sammy | babilen: Ill take a look at that, thanks. once I get everything back to the way the docs suggest Ill start troubleshooting again from there. I fear i may have changed some things in attempting to 'fix' it and broken it even worse in the meantime. lets see what happens |
| 00:45.27 | babilen | sammy: I really dislike their rc.local approach though |
| 00:45.51 | babilen | sammy: Note that there are also specifci libvirt/kvm channels |
| 00:46.23 | babilen | (namely #kvm and #libvirt, surprise!) |
| 00:46.28 | sammy | babilen: the QEMU wiki page makes it seem very very very straightfoward. true, I may have better luck there :) |
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| 00:46.48 | babilen | sammy: Do you require bridged networking? |
| 00:47.11 | babilen | The NAT approach is quite easy, but has drawbacks (ugh, NAT) |
| 00:47.35 | babilen | But I'd discuss this in #kvm :) |
| 00:47.47 | zykotick9 | the effort to get bridge networking for kvm/qemu is certainly worth the effort, IMO. |
| 00:49.08 | babilen | sure |
| 00:49.16 | sammy | babilen: I'm hoping to have the guest see the host and vice versa, for ease of use really. I honestly haven't even tried the default usermode tunnel/virtlan whatnot |
| 00:49.19 | babilen | but not if all you want is testing installers |
| 00:50.45 | sammy | I'm actually creating a 64bit vm inside a 32bit host so I can do android dev ;) I just need a very basic build environment. I was curious about compiling in 64bit with qemu on a 32bit host but setting up the entire vm seemed easier |
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| 00:52.02 | ToApolytoXaos | question: beowulf cluster works with identical hardware, correct? is there an alternative that can let you use any kind of hardware you want? |
| 00:52.32 | sammy | I'm running into the issue now of trying to figure out exactly how this machine is getting its static IP address upon boot. the entire section for the device in /etc/network/interfaces is commented out and dhcpcd is not running |
| 00:52.40 | sammy | (this machine = host) |
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| 00:54.10 | gnarface | sammy: sounds pretty typical of a virtual server (wherein the network configuration is locked down by the physical host machine that you probably don't have access too) |
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| 00:55.49 | sammy | gnarface: sorry the host itself is not a vm, its a full machine which I have sudo access to. I just expcted to see ethernet device setup in /etc/network/interfaces, where insterad the entire device stanza is commented out. |
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| 00:57.25 | sammy | gnarface: you're right, if this was a linode or a vm somewhere, yes. its just on a private lan behind an edgemarc voip router that may or may not be playing dhcpd, but regardless, the machine isn't running dhcpcd and the logs show no mention of getting an IP from anywhere. I'm just not sure how the admin has it configured at this point, and I believe the host eth stanza may need to be in /etc/network/interfaces properly for the automagical bridge setup t |
| 00:57.40 | sammy | to work |
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| 00:59.04 | sammy | we'll see if the owner/admin gets back to me about how it gets its 192. address configured upon boot. I cant imagine he does it manually, but if the machine doesn't get rebooted often (ever really), maybe. |
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| 00:59.47 | sammy | I guess I should try configuring the bridge manually and seeing if it works. I can then narrow down the issue to the automagical part. |
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| 01:00.39 | gnarface | sammy: another reason you may have empty interfaces file is if the config is being controlled by network-manager or... whatever kde uses instead |
| 01:01.05 | sammy | gnarface: good call. I checked and network-manager is not running. network-manager on ubuntu is a dream and also the bain of my existance :P |
| 01:01.21 | awfabian | Where to cron output emails go? I can't find them. |
| 01:01.36 | gnarface | awfabian: nowhere if you don't have a MTA installed |
| 01:02.01 | gnarface | awfabian: its typical for them to be delivered to root by default, but its advised that you have root's mail all delivered to a non-root account for reading |
| 01:02.24 | sammy | gnarface: its very possible the network is configured manually upon boot. the admin/owner is a networking tech at a voip company and he uses one of their voip routers in a custom-ish configuration for personal use, work use and testing all in one. I wouldn't put it past him to have some kludge in place, and here I am following wiki howtos assuming default setups :) |
| 01:03.12 | gnarface | sammy: well check for the network-manager equivalent of whatever installed window managers there are but it might also be worth checking like, /etc/rc.local and other startup scripts |
| 01:03.17 | gnarface | sammy: or even the boot logs |
| 01:03.30 | sammy | awfabian: you'll want to change your mail aliases to redirect mail to root@yourhost to, say, your.user@yourhost, or if your MTA is set up properly, any other email. you might want to also look into forwarding mail to postmaster, hostmaster etc or any other email that isn't already forwarding to root. |
| 01:03.58 | sammy | gnarface: you're right, its a debian machine but there's definitly gdm and then some sort of window manager running which may be doing automagical network setup. I didn't think of that, thanks |
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| 01:09.02 | sammy | dear host, who or what told you to use that IP address? love, me |
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| 01:11.47 | awfabian | Hm. |
| 01:11.52 | sammy | gnarface: network-manager service is running, but there is no network-manager process. I don't think there is a wifi nic in the machine, only wired. if the wired interface isn't even mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces, would network-manager just not be running? |
| 01:12.44 | sammy | awfabian: didn't mean to suggest you do a bunch of thing you don't know how to do, but that's what you want to do. right now if there is an email you want to read that already went to root from cron, you could "su -" or "sudo su -" and run something like alpine to read them |
| 01:12.52 | awfabian | I needed MAILTO in /etc/crontab . Still seems to go nowhere by default even with MTA configured. |
| 01:13.28 | sammy | really? that sounds like a bug if true. I think with postfix installed mine showed up at root by default on a wheezy install |
| 01:14.59 | awfabian | I haven't been getting them, and couldn't find them anywhere. I just put MAILTO in /etc/crontab and it worked. I'm using exim. Kinda strange. It's a Rackspace cloud server, but their configurations are pretty generic. |
| 01:15.46 | awfabian | oh well. i got the mails. yay! |
| 01:16.02 | sammy | huzzah. good to know |
| 01:16.09 | sammy | erm huzzah! lol |
| 01:16.16 | sammy | no one says "huzzah." |
| 01:16.57 | qais | blackadder does |
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| 01:17.18 | sammy | fair play |
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| 01:24.27 | m_billybob | apparently sammy does too |
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| 01:42.44 | gnarface | sammy: i really don't know sorry, i avoid gui network managers like the plague |
| 01:42.49 | SilverSlimer | hey guys, is there anything i can do to replace iceweasel with firefox? |
| 01:43.15 | gnarface | sammy: in my experience, just having them running is typically enough to cause annoying, hysterical behavior |
| 01:43.52 | gnarface | SilverSlimer: you should not. you should keep iceweasel and be happy with it because it is working well and its firefox with a dumb name |
| 01:44.36 | SilverSlimer | true, but ghostery doesn't seem to work under it |
| 01:44.50 | SilverSlimer | and i want to remove adblock plus but it doesn't allow me to (not without removing all of gnome anyway) |
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| 01:45.21 | gnarface | SilverSlimer: my guess is your problem is gnome not iceweasel, but i don't know what ghostery is |
| 01:45.54 | sammy | gnarface: truth! I was assuming none was running. and if eth1 isn't mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces then its probably not being managed by network-manager |
| 01:46.06 | sammy | SilverSlimer: why do you want to remove adblock plus? |
| 01:46.27 | SilverSlimer | sammy: because i don't want to block ads outright, i prefer to block the nasty cookies they often place |
| 01:46.31 | gnarface | SilverSlimer: you're aware that iceweasel doesn't have flash by default right? you have to install the flash plugin package separately from non-free |
| 01:46.33 | SilverSlimer | the ad itself isn't intrusive, the cookie is |
| 01:46.48 | SilverSlimer | i don't want th eflash plugin, i'm content with gnash |
| 01:46.58 | gnarface | gnash mostly doesn't work |
| 01:47.04 | SilverSlimer | for youtube it's excellent |
| 01:47.10 | SilverSlimer | LIGHTSPARK however is garbage |
| 01:47.17 | gnarface | if ghostery requires flash, its *gnash* that's definitely your problem, not iceweasel OR gnome |
| 01:47.25 | SilverSlimer | ghostery doesn't require flash |
| 01:47.44 | sammy | waits to hear why ghostery doesnt work with it |
| 01:48.01 | SilverSlimer | sammy: it loads, however after being loaded it does nothing |
| 01:48.05 | sammy | oh. yeah I don't like those crazy cookies, either. why don't you want to block ads outright? |
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| 01:48.17 | SilverSlimer | it's supposed to report when it blocks cookies but it doesn't which leads me to believe it's simply incompatible with iceweasel |
| 01:48.20 | SilverSlimer | it blocks nothing |
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| 01:48.39 | SilverSlimer | sammy: i consider it unethical |
| 01:49.18 | SilverSlimer | and i use gnu/linux in my pursuit of freedom and an ethical computing experience |
| 01:49.37 | sammy | c'est possible. do you have any idea as to the age of the iceweasel code vs the firefox code? I'm led to believe they're really pretty much the same thing with different branding? but I could be completely wrong |
| 01:49.57 | sammy | and you don't consider purposeful manipulation in an attempt to get you to buy their product inethical? interesting. |
| 01:50.43 | SilverSlimer | sammy: only the truly stupid get manipulated, and my wife can testify to the fact that i only buy products i need, not things i want |
| 01:51.25 | SilverSlimer | well actually, if i can't change iceweasel to firefox, is there at least a way for me to remove adblock (not disable it, delete) |
| 01:51.32 | sammy | I find it intersting as well when people claim to be immune to things they have no control over, like the effects of seeing, hearing or reading text that parts of your brain accept as gospel truth, no matter how much your rational mind questions them |
| 01:52.04 | sammy | I urge you to look up the effects of advertising on the minds of people who claim to 'know better'. lots and lots of stuff about it not really mattering how bright you think you are, or even are |
| 01:52.39 | babilen | SilverSlimer: Sure, just purge xul-ext-adblock-plus -- if you want newer IW versions take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:53.02 | sammy | and if you think its ethical for those with the most cash to be able to spend the most money on the most pervasive, the most manipulative, the most unable-to-be-ignored at every level advertising, well, I hope your stock portfolio is doing well, you've got the mind for it. |
| 01:53.32 | SilverSlimer | babilen, if i try that, will it try to remove gnome as well? it always tells me gnome has to be removed as well |
| 01:53.39 | babilen | sammy: That isn't really on-topic in here; Feel free to continue in #debian-offtopic though. :) |
| 01:53.44 | sammy | babilen: fair enough. |
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| 01:54.05 | SilverSlimer | sammy, i'll join you on offtopic if you want to discuss it further. let me know |
| 01:54.20 | babilen | SilverSlimer: Well, that is due to the way you installed Gnome. I'd install a smaller metapackage in mark other packages you want to keep as manually installed (just run "apt-get install FOO" for them) |
| 01:54.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell SilverSlimer -about install gnome |
| 01:54.36 | sammy | SilverSlimer: you'll want to force dpkg to uninstall the package, even though you're breaking a dependency. does the gnome meta package really depend on adblock? I disagree with that |
| 01:54.51 | sammy | no worries, y'all. I said my peace. |
| 01:54.57 | babilen | SilverSlimer: You can start with, say, gnome-core and build your system from there as you obviously don't want the package selection you installed earlier. |
| 01:56.13 | SilverSlimer | say for instance that i go ahead and remove the package and it removes gnome, should i stay logged in and simply install gnome-core to keep my desktop intact |
| 01:56.14 | SilverSlimer | ? |
| 01:56.15 | babilen | sammy: No, that is not a good solution at all. Forcing things (in particular if you use dpkg) is seldom the best way to deal with things. SilverSlimer's problem is that (s)he installed Gnome in such a way that the metapackage used depends on software (s)he doesn't want. |
| 01:56.34 | SilverSlimer | he, thanks for the courtesy. :) |
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| 01:57.07 | babilen | SilverSlimer: Install gnome-core *before* you remove it and mark everything else you want to keep as manually installed by running "apt-get install FOO" -- once you are happy you can go ahead and remove the stuff you don't want. |
| 01:57.56 | sammy | babilen: fair, I was assuming from the way it was described that there was no way around breaking the dependency if the meta package in question depended on adblock. otherwise it would be recommended, and SilverSlimer wouldnt be told they have to uninstall gnome to get rid of adblockplus |
| 01:58.46 | babilen | SilverSlimer: The problem is that you installed the gnome metapackage which pulled in a number of other packages as dependencies. (the entirety of gnome + a shitload of other things) -- if you now cause the removal of that metapackage all the "unnecessary" dependencies of it will be removed as well. (apt-get wouldn't do that immediately but those packages are still up for removal) |
| 01:58.50 | SilverSlimer | it can'T find the package FOO. I should mention i modified debian to use the sid repositories. |
| 01:59.53 | babilen | SilverSlimer: The approach I suggest is to install a different (smaller) metapackage that doesn't depend on IW or adblock (so you can remove those), but still has everything you need for gnome. gnome-session is the best choice for that IMHO ... that might still lead to the removal of other automatically (as dependencies) installed packages that you would actually like to keep. |
| 02:00.34 | babilen | SilverSlimer: To achieve that you install them explicitly (they are then no longer marked as being automatically installed and won't be removed automatically) by running "apt-get install FOO" (or by using apt-mark) |
| 02:00.57 | babilen | SilverSlimer: FOO is a placeholder for every package that you want to keep from the list of those that are being removed. |
| 02:00.57 | SilverSlimer | something tells me that i'm better off not tempting fate |
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| 02:01.46 | m_billybob | well, atleast id didnt try to install google search on your desktop ;) |
| 02:01.50 | m_billybob | it didnt* |
| 02:02.02 | babilen | SilverSlimer: So, run "apt-get install gnome-session" and then "apt-get install package1 package2 package3 ... packageN" for all packages from the "Will be removed" list that you actually still want to keep (run "aptitude purge xul-ext-adblock-plus" to see the current status, but don't go ahead) |
| 02:02.18 | babilen | SilverSlimer: What do you mean by "tempting fate" ? |
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| 02:02.56 | babilen | this is a completely deterministic process that has nothing to do with fate |
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| 02:03.25 | SilverSlimer | what worries me is that i'll log back into a command-line interface after doing all of this because i'll have forgotten something :) |
| 02:03.30 | babilen | No |
| 02:03.39 | babilen | You will never remove gnome at all |
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| 02:04.04 | babilen | You simply remove the gnome metapackage whose only job it is to pull in everything and the kitchen sink. |
| 02:04.13 | SilverSlimer | ah. |
| 02:04.17 | SilverSlimer | in that case, i'll go ahead and try it |
| 02:04.19 | SilverSlimer | thanks a lot :) |
| 02:04.47 | m_billybob | babilen: thank you. |
| 02:05.12 | babilen | The gnome-session metapackage that I suggest you *explicitly* install along with other packages you know you want to keep is everything you need for a basic gnome installation. But take a look at the factoid the bot sent you half an hour ago if you haven't already and check the dependencies of all packages mentioned in there. |
| 02:05.44 | m_billybob | he left |
| 02:05.48 | babilen | yeah |
| 02:06.03 | m_billybob | figured id thank you in his place. Kids now days . . . |
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| 02:06.41 | babilen | Well, (s)he did say thank you ... I never understand the "Oh, lets leave the channel immediately" attitude though. Why hurry? |
| 02:06.54 | babilen | Anyway ... /me wanders off |
| 02:06.56 | m_billybob | shrugs |
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| 02:12.19 | awfabian | I'm thinking of moving mail to particular directories based on headers... the sort of thing you might do with procmail. However, I'm using exim, and I gather the filters are pretty powerful. Can exim cover the functions of a basic MDA? |
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| 02:12.50 | awfabian | actually, i've heard exim can get complicated. perhaps my life will be easier if I just tell it to use an mda. |
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| 02:15.16 | SilverSlimer | alright, everything works |
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| 02:15.25 | SilverSlimer | but i was right, ghostery doesn't actually work with iceweasel |
| 02:15.43 | SilverSlimer | it's incompatible since the devs for iceweasel haven't yet made a version that's based on the latest firefox builds. |
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| 02:20.40 | babilen | argh! |
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| 02:25.03 | m_billybob | heh |
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| 02:52.59 | leoleo11 | hello! |
| 02:53.14 | leoleo11 | whats the most complete terminal web browser? |
| 02:53.46 | zinx | obviously w3, it's comes with an entire operating system |
| 02:53.53 | zinx | s/it's/it/ |
| 02:55.26 | leoleo11 | zinx: what di you mean by it comes with an OS? |
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| 02:56.49 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: i'd suggest trying elinks and links2 (probably in that order) |
| 02:57.26 | leoleo11 | zykotick9: why do you recommend elinks first? |
| 02:57.47 | zykotick9 | it seems to support more sites... |
| 02:58.03 | babilen | I like w3m |
| 02:58.46 | babilen | But then I only ever use that if I have no other alternative (or a very specific need) |
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| 03:01.47 | poorrick | I can't seem to find anything on google about this that isn't cryptic as heck. So what's with xpdf segfaulting when I try to print. |
| 03:03.05 | leoleo11 | i have w3m installed, how do i start it? |
| 03:03.35 | poorrick | w3m [url] |
| 03:03.51 | poorrick | needs a parameter, it does |
| 03:04.07 | leoleo11 | oh |
| 03:04.09 | leoleo11 | ok did it |
| 03:04.28 | leoleo11 | now im supposed to be able to see images right? |
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| 03:04.56 | poorrick | I'm pretty sure w3m is a text only browser |
| 03:05.49 | leoleo11 | it says it supports images and tabs |
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| 03:06.14 | poorrick | hmm |
| 03:06.31 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: links2 certainly has a framebuffer image option |
| 03:06.46 | poorrick | fooling around with it now |
| 03:07.14 | leoleo11 | i have links2 too |
| 03:07.24 | leoleo11 | how do i get it to work with images? |
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| 03:07.54 | babilen | leoleo11: Please read the package description once more. Then pause, think .. take a look again and solve your problem. |
| 03:08.04 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 03:10.13 | babilen | I don't think it does what you think it will do though. Why don't you use a graphical browser (as lightweight as they come these days (e.g. surf)) if you want image display? |
| 03:10.19 | werxxx | Leoleo what you os |
| 03:10.23 | babilen | I mean your wishes are somehow contrary aren't they? |
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| 03:10.34 | babilen | werxxx: This is #debian, take an educated guess ;) |
| 03:10.46 | werxxx | Oh |
| 03:11.06 | werxxx | Of course |
| 03:11.22 | babilen | :D |
| 03:11.28 | leoleo11 | werxxx: im using debian |
| 03:11.40 | leoleo11 | but want to work in terminal only |
| 03:12.12 | poorrick | You may want to back way up from that if you can't google your way into figuring out images in w3m. |
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| 03:12.14 | werxxx | It's hard to do |
| 03:12.15 | poorrick | jus sayin |
| 03:12.55 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: try "links2 -g" for the GUI version |
| 03:13.28 | babilen | leoleo11: Well, then use w3m and be happy in your terminal only text world. I'd prefer to have a Xorg with a nice window manager available ... it even allows you to use the world wide web (!!) in a graphical way ;) |
| 03:13.42 | leoleo11 | zykotick9: i want to do it everything in terminal |
| 03:14.11 | babilen | leoleo11: Then do it, but don't expect it to work like Xorg ;) |
| 03:14.30 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: ok, hope you don't like seeing images when you surf ;) |
| 03:14.49 | leoleo11 | i knwo it wont work like x but i thought you can see images without having x |
| 03:15.12 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: you can, "links2 -g" runs in the frame buffer |
| 03:15.42 | babilen | w3m-img can display images too, but you have to read its documentation and figure out how to do that. |
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| 03:16.04 | babilen | links2 might be better (no idea, really) |
| 03:16.09 | poorrick | so like surf is disappointing |
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| 03:16.17 | babilen | Well, /me says goodbye to this :) |
| 03:16.53 | leoleo11 | when i run links2 -g it opens a new window |
| 03:17.04 | leoleo11 | is there a way to make it run in the same terminal? |
| 03:17.11 | leoleo11 | it seems as its using x |
| 03:17.47 | babilen | didn't you just say that you don't use Xorg? |
| 03:18.03 | leoleo11 | i didnt say that |
| 03:18.13 | leoleo11 | i said i want to work from terminal |
| 03:18.25 | poorrick | Then just stick to non-web apps |
| 03:18.38 | poorrick | Because you won't get anything nice that way |
| 03:18.44 | poorrick | Trust me, I've tried |
| 03:18.56 | poorrick | unless you want to play dwarf fortress |
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| 03:22.56 | poorrick | now another stab at my question |
| 03:23.14 | poorrick | Does anybody know what's up with xpdf segfaulting when you try to print? |
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| 03:24.26 | rryoumaa | what is required in wheezy to play a dvd? |
| 03:24.39 | poorrick | vlc |
| 03:24.45 | poorrick | Allow me to abstract for you |
| 03:25.02 | poorrick | What is required in [any os] to play [any media ever]? |
| 03:25.03 | poorrick | vlc |
| 03:25.20 | rryoumaa | so i don't need to add any multimedia repo or download some dvdcss library or anything like that? |
| 03:25.29 | rryoumaa | i agree, vlc is awesome |
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| 03:26.24 | poorrick | Ok to be honest with you, I'm not totally sure, but the drivers for your dvd drive is either a dependency for vlc or already installed. |
| 03:27.10 | poorrick | I think |
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| 03:28.42 | zykotick9 | doubts vlc can play css dvds ootb from debian main anyways |
| 03:28.52 | poorrick | meh |
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| 03:30.19 | zykotick9 | !tell rryoumaa about dvd playback |
| 03:30.45 | darkapp | !tell darkapp about dvd playback |
| 03:31.50 | darkapp | ya so my computer is rlly fucked up, i was playing with the x server, and now i cant get a gui for any other user besides for root |
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| 03:32.30 | darkapp | by 'playing with xserver' i mean i made it so root can use it, apparently my regular user cant anymore |
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| 03:33.17 | darkapp | help is appreciated, otherwise im going to need to reinstall debian |
| 03:34.41 | darkapp | ctcpme, u there? |
| 03:34.49 | darkapp | rgwu, |
| 03:34.55 | darkapp | austeregrim, |
| 03:36.15 | rryoumaa | thanks, this looks like it's going to be a chore (i don't see any digital signature on the videolan site) |
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| 03:42.48 | rryoumaa | ah, well i do, but it's for the deb, and i was thinking it would be better to compile directly from source than entrust their deb to root |
| 03:43.01 | rryoumaa | it is for the repo, that is |
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| 03:49.32 | austeregrim | darkapp, what? |
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| 03:54.47 | leoleo11 | i downloaded xterm and tried to run it and it says theres no display |
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| 03:55.50 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: are you trying to run xterm from linux-console? 'cause it needs xorg... |
| 03:56.31 | leoleo11 | zykotick9: im trying after ctrl alt f1 |
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| 03:57.11 | austeregrim | leoleo11, you probably need to tell it where x is running... or need to startx in the first place |
| 03:57.25 | zykotick9 | leoleo11: ya, those F1-F6 are called "linux console". you can't run xorg apps in them... |
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| 04:04.26 | leoleo11 | im watching videos on youtube, theyre very choppy. Is there a way to make them more fluent? |
| 04:05.12 | darkapp | <austeregrim> darkapp, what? |
| 04:05.29 | darkapp | <darkapp> ya so my computer is rlly fucked up, i was playing with the x server, and now i cant get a gui for any other user besides for root |
| 04:05.39 | darkapp | <darkapp> by 'playing with xserver' i mean i made it so root can use it, apparently my regular user cant anymore |
| 04:06.14 | austeregrim | I dont know much about that... you probably need a login manager? |
| 04:07.11 | austeregrim | or display manager? |
| 04:07.24 | darkapp | ya, so when i start my computer it brings me to a cli (not normal btw), when i type startx as root i et to my gui |
| 04:07.35 | darkapp | but when i do it as user it doesnt work |
| 04:07.36 | austeregrim | ok |
| 04:07.47 | austeregrim | you broke x |
| 04:07.49 | austeregrim | fix it |
| 04:07.58 | darkapp | bangs on computer |
| 04:08.05 | darkapp | nope didnt work |
| 04:08.17 | austeregrim | dont know what to tell you |
| 04:08.25 | austeregrim | x is a bitch when it doesn't work |
| 04:08.53 | darkapp | well my educated uess is user doesnt have axx on x, but root does cause of my tinkering |
| 04:09.14 | darkapp | (yes related to getting peerguardian installed) |
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| 04:11.12 | austeregrim | i'd suggest backup xorg.conf and delete... |
| 04:11.21 | austeregrim | then see what happens after a reboot? |
| 04:11.49 | darkapp | hmmm |
| 04:12.09 | darkapp | think i should get all data backe up first? |
| 04:12.21 | darkapp | i can still axx all my folders |
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| 04:12.45 | austeregrim | axx? |
| 04:12.46 | darkapp | i dont want to fuck that up |
| 04:12.49 | darkapp | access |
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| 04:14.22 | poorrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.44 | poorrick | does anybody have the cheapass canon pixma mg3220 or something similar? |
| 04:14.51 | poorrick | By any snowball's chance? |
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| 04:15.05 | austeregrim | poorrick, something similar |
| 04:15.35 | poorrick | Hhhhhow do you connect that crap to the network? |
| 04:15.43 | poorrick | a network |
| 04:15.45 | austeregrim | mx432 |
| 04:15.51 | austeregrim | mines wifi |
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| 04:15.56 | austeregrim | is yours? |
| 04:16.05 | leoleo11 | is there a good free media player device? |
| 04:16.10 | poorrick | right, mine, too, I'm looking at the little blue light |
| 04:16.14 | poorrick | it's on |
| 04:16.17 | austeregrim | lol |
| 04:16.18 | poorrick | but not connected |
| 04:16.25 | austeregrim | yeah it's a pain. |
| 04:16.44 | poorrick | What did you do to get your's to connect? |
| 04:16.52 | poorrick | Do you have one of those displays? |
| 04:16.57 | austeregrim | I forget how I connected it. |
| 04:17.04 | poorrick | wellthen |
| 04:17.05 | austeregrim | hang on |
| 04:18.08 | austeregrim | mine doesn't have the little color screen.. |
| 04:18.28 | austeregrim | it's a lcd, like an old calculator |
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| 04:20.08 | poorrick | Ok, so it would have been a similar process |
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| 04:20.33 | austeregrim | I think it saw my wireless then asked for the password. |
| 04:21.29 | austeregrim | http://forums.usa.canon.com/t5/Personal-Printers/Just-got-a-PiXMA-MG3220-printer-Scanning/td-p/9933 |
| 04:21.58 | austeregrim | oh. |
| 04:22.14 | austeregrim | I think it sets up a wireless AP.. and then you have to go into the web app |
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| 04:23.46 | poorrick | that would be insanely easy |
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| 04:24.37 | austeregrim | but granted I set mine up over a year ago.. |
| 04:25.00 | poorrick | Yeah, and like magic it all goes away |
| 04:26.04 | poorrick | Because I need that information |
| 04:27.48 | austeregrim | I know that another one that was similar, basically waited for some call over wireless... which was done via the driver in windows... |
| 04:28.03 | austeregrim | or had to connect it via usb |
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| 04:29.19 | poorrick | yeah, in windows |
| 04:29.23 | poorrick | Which I don't have |
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| 04:29.37 | poorrick | This worked fine like 2 months ago when I got it, I swear |
| 04:30.34 | austeregrim | yeah, don't know what else to tell you. |
| 04:31.28 | austeregrim | leoleo11, what are you looking for media player device? or application? |
| 04:31.40 | leoleo11 | device |
| 04:31.44 | austeregrim | leoleo11, like a portable media player? |
| 04:31.48 | leoleo11 | yes |
| 04:32.02 | austeregrim | what do you mean free? |
| 04:32.08 | austeregrim | free as in beer, or speech? |
| 04:32.15 | leoleo11 | speech |
| 04:32.22 | leoleo11 | as in freedom |
| 04:32.40 | austeregrim | android is probably as free as you're going to get |
| 04:32.44 | austeregrim | that is usable |
| 04:33.14 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 04:33.17 | austeregrim | get a second hand phone.. |
| 04:33.19 | leoleo11 | i got an s2 |
| 04:33.42 | leoleo11 | i wanted to replace my phone with a DAP |
| 04:33.43 | austeregrim | I've got a Galaxy Nexus I use as my Media player |
| 04:33.54 | austeregrim | a nexus 4 that I use as my phone |
| 04:34.16 | leoleo11 | why not use just one if you need a cellphone? |
| 04:34.28 | austeregrim | because I have both? |
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| 04:34.30 | leoleo11 | i dont need a cellphone thats why i wanted a replacement |
| 04:34.47 | austeregrim | and I don't like to put music and crap on my phone |
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| 04:34.53 | leoleo11 | doesnt it take too much space... also are you asking me? |
| 04:35.01 | leoleo11 | mmmm |
| 04:35.01 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 04:35.19 | austeregrim | I leave the Galaxy nexus in my car most of the time |
| 04:35.24 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 04:35.27 | austeregrim | but I have 2 pockets... |
| 04:35.32 | leoleo11 | i get it now |
| 04:35.39 | leoleo11 | i think i have 2 pockets too |
| 04:35.45 | leoleo11 | oh yes i do |
| 04:36.06 | austeregrim | I use a battery device that has two usb ports to charge both devices at night |
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| 04:36.17 | austeregrim | and when I play music, I don't drain my phone. ;-) |
| 04:36.23 | leoleo11 | so is it better if i take my sim card out or just putting it on airplane mode |
| 04:36.31 | leoleo11 | thats good |
| 04:36.35 | austeregrim | I put it in airplane mode |
| 04:36.43 | austeregrim | and turn on wifi and bluetooth only when needed |
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| 04:36.55 | austeregrim | airplane mode will make sure the cell radio isn't ever on |
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| 04:37.23 | austeregrim | so it doesn't charge the capacitors, etc. draining the battery, in case you need to make an emergency call |
| 04:37.37 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 04:37.49 | austeregrim | 911 will work on it if it's not in airplane mode |
| 04:37.57 | leoleo11 | so theres no way it can be a tracking device as stallman says every cellphone? |
| 04:38.06 | leoleo11 | is? |
| 04:38.48 | austeregrim | lol |
| 04:38.57 | austeregrim | what is everyone's concern about being tracked? |
| 04:39.17 | austeregrim | you think you're that important to the government? |
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| 04:40.03 | austeregrim | but no, I believe if a phone is off, it's not trackable. |
| 04:40.18 | austeregrim | there's no gps.. there's no cell radio on.. |
| 04:40.30 | austeregrim | granted, some phones may be different... |
| 04:41.06 | austeregrim | but a cell radio requires a lot of power to keep running.... especially if it's being tracked. |
| 04:41.07 | leoleo11 | i just want to fight for freedon |
| 04:41.17 | leoleo11 | its not because i want to hide something |
| 04:41.29 | leoleo11 | or not hide something |
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| 04:42.13 | leoleo11 | i was thinking about buying a computer and have that instead of a phone |
| 04:42.47 | leoleo11 | acer c7 more specifically since its cheap and i dont do resource hingry tasks |
| 04:43.36 | austeregrim | not sure what to tell you... use your old phone as a pmp. |
| 04:43.39 | jiohdi | I use my computer as a phone |
| 04:44.11 | leoleo11 | pmp? |
| 04:44.16 | austeregrim | media player |
| 04:44.17 | leoleo11 | jiohdi: how? |
| 04:44.22 | leoleo11 | ph |
| 04:44.25 | leoleo11 | oh" |
| 04:44.29 | leoleo11 | yes i will |
| 04:44.40 | leoleo11 | i dont work yet so i dont communicate with people |
| 04:44.46 | jiohdi | I can use google talk to call anywhere in the US for free and I have a skype phone number for people to call me |
| 04:45.14 | leoleo11 | gtalk is propietary, you should not use that |
| 04:45.21 | jiohdi | if a cell phone can be pinged it can be tracked |
| 04:45.31 | jiohdi | leoleo11, why not? |
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| 04:46.47 | leoleo11 | you should value your freedom |
| 04:47.03 | leoleo11 | how can a phone be pinged? |
| 04:47.14 | jiohdi | leoleo11, as I see it freedom is an illusion |
| 04:47.25 | austeregrim | i value my freedom to choose to use whatever proprietary service I want |
| 04:47.32 | leoleo11 | haha |
| 04:47.34 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 04:47.36 | leoleo11 | do it then |
| 04:47.55 | jiohdi | everyone on earth is exactly where they must be, they cannot change a single step that brought them to where they all are... and it has ever been so |
| 04:47.57 | leoleo11 | im just suggesting |
| 04:48.20 | austeregrim | jiohdi, sounds like you've been studying my theories |
| 04:48.21 | jiohdi | the illusion of choice is powerful, but not based in reality |
| 04:48.51 | leoleo11 | but a person should try to be as free as possible |
| 04:48.52 | jiohdi | austeregrim, I first became aware of this around 1995 |
| 04:49.21 | austeregrim | jiohdi, is it based on mathematical principles? |
| 04:49.23 | leoleo11 | i mean, if you know that someone is tracking you, you shouldnt let that happen if you can change it |
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| 04:50.01 | jiohdi | austeregrim, its based on the simple fact that a quantum event takes about 10^-33 seconds while it takes 0.3 seconds to think a thought. |
| 04:50.28 | austeregrim | jiohdi, oh, mines much simpler. |
| 04:50.38 | leoleo11 | interesting |
| 04:50.41 | jiohdi | do tell |
| 04:51.41 | austeregrim | well, basically everything must happen based upon things that happen before it... if the universe came from the big bang (a singularity) a single point... everything must exist in the way it is... |
| 04:52.10 | jiohdi | austeregrim, I believe true randomness may be possible |
| 04:52.11 | austeregrim | 1+(-1) must equal 0 |
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| 04:52.47 | austeregrim | everything that happened since the begining of time must have happened because of everything that happened before it... and it will always happen the same way |
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| 04:53.00 | jiohdi | and just recently it has been postulated that the big bang is an illusion resulting from the collapse of a 4 dimensional star into a 4 d black hole making a 3 D event horizon which is our universe |
| 04:53.14 | austeregrim | if the universe was to collapse upon itself... the big bang must happen again, and must exist in the same way... since it was a singular point. |
| 04:53.41 | jiohdi | austeregrim, in quantum physics every quantum event can be seen as nearly completely divorced from any prior event, only probabilities make it seem like cause and effect |
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| 04:54.08 | austeregrim | jiohdi, thats beyond me... |
| 04:54.46 | codygman | I have a program listening on port 22 according to netstat -tupln but there is no PID/Program name. How can I find more information on it? |
| 04:55.06 | austeregrim | ps -A |
| 04:55.07 | codygman | I didnd't think I had ssh server |
| 04:55.14 | jiohdi | the only reason why time seems to be moving forwards only is that the probability of any current step resembling any prior step exactly or any previous set of steps, its so close to zero you might as well say it is zero... so time is really novelity of current arrangements |
| 04:55.46 | jiohdi | codygman, you might try etherape |
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| 04:57.20 | codygman | jiohdi: Alright thanks |
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| 04:59.47 | austeregrim | jiohdi, but again, that quantum stuff is beyond me... I like my simple universe... and my easily explained timeline |
| 05:00.12 | austeregrim | If I'm right, we've had this conversation many times before. |
| 05:00.44 | jiohdi | austeregrim, scientific theories need to account for what can be measured, thought experiments need not bother with measurements |
| 05:01.28 | austeregrim | k.. i'm lost. |
| 05:01.45 | jiohdi | pure thought experiments arrived at the notion that heavy objects fell faster than light ones, but experiments later done showed that idea false |
| 05:02.36 | jiohdi | if the experiment shows the idea false, its time to change the idea |
| 05:03.57 | austeregrim | but if you don't understand the experiment or have no proof of it... other than the words of others... I think it's okay to keep the idea... at least until you understand it. |
| 05:04.09 | jiohdi | sure |
| 05:04.25 | jiohdi | you cannot believe what is not compelling |
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| 05:05.27 | jiohdi | back to phones, I have a wifi only phone, I can make calls and receive them as long as I am wifi connected |
| 05:05.58 | jiohdi | loads of restaraunts and stores have wifi now a days |
| 05:06.04 | austeregrim | yup |
| 05:06.14 | jiohdi | costs me about $10 a month |
| 05:06.29 | austeregrim | my galaxy nexus handles most of my hangouts when I'm at home |
| 05:06.32 | phix | jiohdi: $10 hey |
| 05:06.37 | phix | what do you get for that? |
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| 05:07.17 | jiohdi | under skype you get unlimited calls 2.99/mo and a callable number for $18/3 months |
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| 05:07.51 | jiohdi | I use whatsapp for text msg which is free the first year |
| 05:08.07 | phix | jiohdi: Skype is a service though |
| 05:08.10 | jiohdi | then 0.99/year |
| 05:08.12 | phix | you dont get much with it |
| 05:08.21 | jiohdi | phix what more do I need? |
| 05:08.44 | jiohdi | I can use my account on my computer too |
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| 05:09.18 | phix | jiohdi: Asterisk gives you more |
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| 05:09.29 | poorrick | mk i just put the effer next to my access point and wps'd it |
| 05:09.30 | phix | jiohdi: it isa full blow PBX |
| 05:09.31 | poorrick | Night peeps |
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| 05:09.42 | jiohdi | phix can you use that on an android phone? |
| 05:09.55 | phix | skype is just a subset, of what ever it is that they want to give you, in which they can change or modify at their whim |
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| 05:10.13 | phix | jiohdi: yes, android has SIP support since 2.2 I think |
| 05:10.14 | leoleo11 | how can i focus on the html5 video im playing without the mouse so i can press space to pause? |
| 05:10.17 | phix | or 2.3 |
| 05:10.20 | phix | one of those |
| 05:10.37 | phix | jiohdi: I use it on my android phone (Google Nexus One) |
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| 05:10.59 | phix | although it requires a wlan connection, by default it doesn't go over 3/4G |
| 05:11.01 | austeregrim | i miss my nexus one... but seriosuly that's an old phone |
| 05:11.29 | phix | austeregrim: I Know it is an old phone :) that is how long SIP / asterisk has been supported for |
| 05:11.45 | phix | skype is just a service, you have no control over it, I wouldnt use it for anything serious |
| 05:12.22 | leoleo11 | anyone know? |
| 05:12.44 | phix | leoleo11: alt tab |
| 05:13.17 | leoleo11 | alt tab changes programs |
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| 05:14.21 | leoleo11 | phix: it doesnt work |
| 05:14.57 | phix | CTRL+TAB |
| 05:14.57 | phix | ? |
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| 05:15.17 | themill | <tab> on its own is more likely |
| 05:15.28 | leoleo11 | chqnges tabs |
| 05:15.32 | lfs | Anybody know how do remote desktop? |
| 05:15.34 | leoleo11 | tab? |
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| 05:15.42 | leoleo11 | just tab? |
| 05:15.54 | themill | leoleo11: this would be entirely dependent on which browser you're using us which you've not told us |
| 05:16.14 | leoleo11 | firefox |
| 05:16.23 | leoleo11 | actually abrowser |
| 05:16.35 | Guest68402 | Remmina is the remote desktop client? |
| 05:16.41 | themill | leoleo11: neither of which are in debian. |
| 05:17.08 | leoleo11 | well how do you do it in iceweasel then? |
| 05:17.11 | leoleo11 | The |
| 05:17.16 | leoleo11 | themill: |
| 05:18.08 | themill | leoleo11: tab works for me. Sure you didn't want #ubuntu? |
| 05:18.27 | leoleo11 | just going through tab? |
| 05:18.27 | Guest68402 | hello? |
| 05:18.39 | Guest68402 | Am I here? |
| 05:19.46 | leoleo11 | Guest68402: yes |
| 05:19.48 | leoleo11 | hello |
| 05:20.01 | leoleo11 | themill: ill try it thanks |
| 05:20.15 | leoleo11 | thans people for giving me such great support |
| 05:20.21 | leoleo11 | thanks" |
| 05:20.21 | Guest68402 | I am having trouble with remote desktop. |
| 05:20.35 | Guest68402 | I want to remote into debian from a chromebook. |
| 05:20.35 | leoleo11 | dont jnow about that |
| 05:20.52 | leoleo11 | what chromebook do you have? |
| 05:21.07 | Guest68402 | Samsung running Ubuntu as CHROOT |
| 05:21.13 | leoleo11 | mmm |
| 05:21.15 | leoleo11 | nice |
| 05:21.23 | leoleo11 | well cant help you with that |
| 05:21.42 | leoleo11 | but what do you think about acers c7 |
| 05:21.43 | leoleo11 | ? |
| 05:21.48 | leoleo11 | have you tried it? |
| 05:21.49 | Guest68402 | What about using chrome remote desktop? |
| 05:22.00 | leoleo11 | dont know |
| 05:22.09 | Guest68402 | I have Remmina running on Debian by default |
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| 05:22.48 | leoleo11 | bye people |
| 05:22.50 | leoleo11 | thanks |
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| 05:39.22 | mataaano | hi |
| 05:39.35 | mataaano | I use debian wheezy encrypted, my kernel was updated today, but when I type the password, it does not work, I'm on the live cd now, how can I solve this? help please |
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| 05:40.44 | mataaano | I use debian wheezy encrypted, my kernel was updated today, but when I type the password, it does not work, I'm on the live cd now, how can I solve this? help please |
| 05:40.55 | mataaano | anynone? |
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| 05:41.52 | mataaano | hi? |
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| 05:43.13 | mataaano | :( |
| 05:43.17 | mataaano | :'( |
| 05:43.29 | mataaano | i have a big problem |
| 05:44.10 | mataaano | anyone user here? |
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| 05:45.29 | austeregrim | i'm kind of here... but no help |
| 05:46.48 | mataaano | meu deus |
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| 05:47.06 | mataaano | nenhuma pessoa online? |
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| 05:47.59 | mataaano | I use debian wheezy encrypted, my kernel was updated today, but when I type the password, it does not work, I'm on the live cd now, how can I solve this? help please' |
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| 05:50.40 | mercutio22 | mataaano: try the last kernel? |
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| 05:52.30 | mataaano | mercutio22: my kernel has been update for wheezy-backports |
| 05:53.05 | mataaano | mercutio22: i know my passphrase, but is not work |
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| 05:53.55 | mataaano | mercutio22: anynone suluciton our situation similar for solve? |
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| 05:54.16 | mataaano | i need for my data |
| 05:54.39 | mataaano | i think in suicide if not recovery |
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| 05:56.44 | Xavier89 | hi |
| 05:56.52 | Xavier89 | how to stop the service psybnc ? |
| 05:57.17 | mataaano | ahh i go sleep, this is nightmare |
| 05:57.50 | themill | Xavier89: that depends entirely how you started it (psybnc isn't in debian) |
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| 05:58.19 | Xavier89 | make |
| 05:58.41 | themill | compile ≠ install ≠ run |
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| 06:01.18 | Xavier89 | [themill] which directory should find ? |
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| 06:03.03 | Guest68402 | I got remote desktop working |
| 06:03.17 | Guest68402 | I am on debian from my chromebook |
| 06:03.29 | Guest68402 | neat!!!! |
| 06:04.21 | Guest68402 | The trick is using vncviewer |
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| 06:25.26 | tuxy | hey guys, how can I check what kernel is in the debian 7.1 image? |
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| 06:28.00 | Guest68402 | IS BSD free on debian? |
| 06:28.43 | Guest68402 | Chrome remote desktop is BSD license. So is it on debian? |
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| 06:29.30 | themill | tuxy: /msg judd kernels |
| 06:29.44 | themill | Guest68402: the "BSD style licence" is a free licence. |
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| 06:30.10 | Guest68402 | apt-cache search chrome brings no chrome |
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| 06:30.35 | Guest68402 | I still have the old thing. WHat is that called. |
| 06:30.41 | themill | Guest68402: the chromium browser is in debian, not chrome. |
| 06:31.04 | Guest68402 | Is Squeeze latest? |
| 06:31.18 | themill | /topic |
| 06:31.20 | tuxy | shitt... themill, is there a update the kernel in a netinstall (minimal install) of wheezy without internet? |
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| 06:31.33 | tuxy | a way to update* |
| 06:31.56 | tuxy | compiling a kernel is probably not an option since I won't have most of the dependencies |
| 06:31.57 | themill | dpkg: tell tuxy about apt-offline |
| 06:32.49 | Guest68402 | What is latest? WHeezy? |
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| 06:33.27 | Guest68402 | Is Chrome Remote desktop on Debian? |
| 06:36.05 | tuxy | so themill, I prepare a USB device or CDROM with all the debian packages required to upgrade the kernel and then use apt offline to upgrade the kernel? |
| 06:36.15 | tuxy | without the actual need of compiling it? |
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| 06:37.13 | hanasaki | how do I tell what speed my ethernet is running at? |
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| 06:39.04 | themill | tuxy: you're using the recipes that the website told you about to get all the packages onto the usb stick. |
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| 06:41.42 | tuxy | themill, how can I use wget to download files from a remote machine if the host machine doesn't have any network access (not even LAN) |
| 06:42.18 | tuxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.30 | themill | tuxy: well clearly you need a machine somewhere that does have internet |
| 06:43.01 | tuxy | themill, this is a remote box, it is impossible to do that |
| 06:43.17 | themill | umm... |
| 06:43.19 | tuxy | what I can do though is place the necessary files on a secondary HDD |
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| 06:43.34 | themill | yes, which is what dpkg just told you how to do |
| 06:44.00 | tuxy | however, I think I tried to update only the kernel and kernel-headers |
| 06:44.12 | tuxy | but it failed somehow |
| 06:44.28 | tuxy | I guess I was missing some dependencis |
| 06:44.31 | tuxy | I will look into it |
| 06:44.48 | themill | so if you did what dpkg suggested, apt would sort this out for you |
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| 06:45.24 | tuxy | yea, I think I just need to list all the correct dependencies or just throw a whole bunch of archives |
| 06:45.43 | themill | is running out of ways of explaining this |
| 06:46.09 | austeregrim | tuxy, or you could mirror the entire whatcha thingy. |
| 06:47.14 | austeregrim | i need to go to bed I think |
| 06:48.35 | tuxy | themill, I figured it out |
| 06:48.39 | tuxy | no need to explain |
| 06:48.55 | tuxy | I mean, i figured out a better way to updating the kernel itself |
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| 07:12.09 | Monery | greetings all.... its a joyfull day... another debian server is being born! |
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| 07:14.50 | sheap | Monery hooray! |
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| 07:18.33 | hanasaki | what would cause this kernel dump? trying to tell if it is hardware or sfotware at least : http://pastebin.com/tFka4FTn |
| 07:18.35 | Monery | wtf.... trying to install openssh-server and its asking me for the CD i used to install.... |
| 07:18.53 | sheap | Monery might be your sources.list |
| 07:19.05 | bazhang | take the cd out of the sources.list |
| 07:19.13 | bazhang | comment it out with # |
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| 07:20.24 | pav5088 | I've got OpenLDAP + client side certificates working. NOONE else on the net seems to have this working (at least with a Debian/GnuTLS version of OpenLDAP). The debug tools all say it shouldn't work ie. certtool, gnutls-cli-debug etc... fail, but it SEEMS to work. |
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| 07:20.34 | Monery | there we go... removed the CD references from sources.list and now its downloading ut |
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| 07:21.30 | sheap | (: |
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| 07:22.55 | Monery | so how you doing sheap |
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| 07:23.13 | sheap | Monery pretty swell, how about yourself? |
| 07:23.35 | Monery | finally took the step of removing the GUI from my server... feeling all smart... |
| 07:24.04 | Monery | was using LMDE, but the lack of security updates kinda scares me since the server is exposed to the Internet |
| 07:24.44 | sheap | Monery congrats! |
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| 07:28.09 | Monery | got ssh working... and smart enough to disable the root account |
| 07:28.21 | sheap | steps in the right direction |
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| 07:29.19 | Monery | server is also my print server... |
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| 07:30.08 | Monery | now Ive been told that its possible to upgrade debian w/o reinstalling it when the next version comes out... is this a true fact? |
| 07:30.41 | sheap | yup! |
| 07:30.52 | sheap | apt-get dist-upgrade will do the trick |
| 07:30.57 | Monery | sweet |
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| 07:31.10 | Monery | wonder why LMDE is not based on stable then |
| 07:31.18 | sheap | isn't it? |
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| 07:31.25 | Monery | testing |
| 07:31.34 | sheap | ah |
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| 07:37.56 | jcbjoe | what up all .. i have a question .. i want to automount my windows parition automatic .. i know it goes into fstab .. problem is that when i use lsblk or blkd to find the uuid so i can put it in fstab i can' never find the uuid |
| 07:37.59 | jcbjoe | how can i fix this |
| 07:39.03 | jcbjoe | btw .. the way my hdd is setup is this .. my whole hdd is gpt cause i have windows 8 on it .. some how i went into diskpart on windows created a blank 40 gig parition out of it and my debain install sits on it |
| 07:39.07 | jcbjoe | could that be the issue ? |
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| 07:40.01 | Monery | not sure about automounting myself, never has come up... and my main pc is win7 and LMDE atm... about to change that to Debian actually |
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| 07:41.54 | drybjed | jcbjoe: have you looked in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
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| 07:42.39 | jcbjoe | one sec let me google it |
| 07:42.52 | drybjed | jcbjoe: is it visible in /proc/partitions? can you mount it manually? |
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| 07:43.51 | jcbjoe | that worked |
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| 07:44.05 | jcbjoe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Sep 15 00:26 061A433C1A4327CF -> ../../sda4 |
| 07:44.31 | drybjed | so there you go, just put that uuid in /etc/fstab and it should work |
| 07:44.56 | jcbjoe | UUID=061A433C1A4327CF /media/windows ntfs3g |
| 07:45.04 | jcbjoe | does that look wrong or should that work ? |
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| 07:45.13 | jcbjoe | oops ntfs-3g |
| 07:46.22 | jcbjoe | https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS says to try this ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0 |
| 07:46.55 | drybjed | disk will be mounted with owner:group permissions of your first user account |
| 07:47.18 | jcbjoe | ok brb testing it out |
| 07:47.38 | jcbjoe | oh i have another issue that i need to tackle before i reboot its dhcp at boot / one sec let me get this picture off my phone |
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| 07:54.10 | handuel | Hey all :) |
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| 08:03.03 | Monery | anyone here know if Debian 7.1 will run on a non PAE cpu? |
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| 08:04.01 | drybjed | Monery: you should be able to select non-pae kernel at install |
| 08:04.02 | jelly-home | Monery: the -486 kernel build works on those |
| 08:05.18 | mumpitzel | Monery: if you have a 686 cpu which doesn't do PAE, the PAE kernel will still work fine. if you have a older cpu than that, there is the 486 kernel. PAE doesn't break anything if the kernel has it and your cpu does not |
| 08:05.38 | Monery | i used the i386 ISO on my server and it automatically used the 686 kernel.... does this mean I need to download another ISO? |
| 08:06.07 | mumpitzel | no you don't |
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| 08:07.05 | Monery | awesome... thx |
| 08:07.33 | jelly-home | Monery: install linux-image-486, that ought to be bootable |
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| 08:07.37 | jelly-home | ,v linux-image-486 |
| 08:07.38 | judd | Package: linux-image-486 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.10+51~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.10+51; sid: 3.10+51 |
| 08:08.22 | jelly-home | Monery: but if the -686 kernel works, keep using it |
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| 08:09.49 | Monery | Ive had problems with Ubuntu and LM telling me that my chip doesn't do PAE, but LMDE runs the 686 just fine |
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| 08:10.26 | jelly-home | has no idea about Mint and any changes they do |
| 08:10.31 | jelly-home | !lmde |
| 08:10.32 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 08:21.47 | m4k | Pld hlp me to install debian in dell inspiron n51140 |
| 08:22.49 | mumpitzel | !tell m4k about ig |
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| 08:23.29 | mumpitzel | m4k: if you want specific help, you need to pose a specific question |
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| 08:23.55 | jcbjoe | i would like eth0 to stop looking for an ip at boot .. should i leave it that way or is there a way to fix |
| 08:24.01 | jcbjoe | here is a screenshot http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1685/sbm1.jpg |
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| 08:24.33 | mumpitzel | jcbjoe: are you using network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:24.46 | maxyz | jcbjoe: Comment the auto eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:24.55 | m4k | Im trying to install debian in dell lap any tutorial avalable for thay |
| 08:25.04 | mumpitzel | maxyz: only if there actually is such a line |
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| 08:25.40 | jcbjoe | yes mumpitzel im using the nm-applet |
| 08:25.46 | jcbjoe | ok maxyz |
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| 08:25.59 | hanasaki | /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions |
| 08:25.59 | hanasaki | Does debian have the equivalent of the above? |
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| 08:26.19 | jcbjoe | mumpitzel: or maxyz so under there when it says connect automtically untick it ? |
| 08:26.41 | mumpitzel | jcbjoe: yes |
| 08:26.52 | jcbjoe | ok let me reboot . i have other stuff im doing also |
| 08:27.19 | maxyz | mumpitzel: Have you ever seen network-manager launching dhclient on boot? |
| 08:27.28 | mumpitzel | m4k: read the link dpkg gave you. also: what wlan chip does your dell have? |
| 08:27.45 | maxyz | mumpitzel: network-manager starts the network without console messages. |
| 08:27.48 | mumpitzel | m4k: ever heard of "allow-hotplug"? |
| 08:28.06 | mumpitzel | maxyz: ^ |
| 08:28.43 | m4k | No |
| 08:28.46 | maxyz | That editing /etc/network/interfaces then, not unticking the network manager configuration |
| 08:31.23 | mumpitzel | m4k: what wlan chip does your Dell use? and "n51140" doesn't show what laptop it is at all. "dell inspiron xx" where you should tell us "xx" is more important |
| 08:31.51 | m4k | N5110 i3 |
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| 08:33.28 | day | does anyone here use a ALC889 onboard soundcard? Ive issues with my microphone |
| 08:33.57 | mumpitzel | !tell day about anyone |
| 08:34.30 | day | but its such a widely used chipset :/ |
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| 08:35.07 | mumpitzel | m4k: do not PM unasked |
| 08:35.20 | mumpitzel | day: and it's such a stupid question |
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| 08:35.46 | day | mumpitzel: no its not. |
| 08:36.04 | day | mumpitzel: it just means you dont understand the intention |
| 08:36.15 | mumpitzel | a question starting with "anyone" is a stupid question by default. ask your real question |
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| 08:37.13 | mumpitzel | day: just think what happens if someone answers "yes I have hardware X". the question you pose then is your real question. just start with the real one instead of the stupid one |
| 08:37.47 | day | mumpitzel: i ve already tried that, usually do that. it just gets ignored. |
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| 08:38.22 | mumpitzel | I don't see the anyone question getting better results. in fact you only annoy people and waste your own time with it |
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| 08:39.36 | day | w/e ive random soundfragments on my audio/voice every few seconds, if i record something. It sounds like high amplitude spikes. |
| 08:39.36 | Axlin | On the flip side, instead of simply asking him to elaborate, you've just spent 5 minutes going on abut how his question is apparently stupid. |
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| 08:40.12 | mumpitzel | Axlin: I tried to teach him how to do better next time. teach a man how to fish and all that |
| 08:40.38 | day | mumpitzel: i know how to do it 'better' it just didnt work |
| 08:41.06 | Rumo | Hi at all, is someone familiar with making a new mbr (grml) with lvm? |
| 08:41.10 | day | mumpitzel: but feel free to answer my 'real' question. apparently im the only person with this issue. Or i just dont know what this effect is called |
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| 08:47.58 | Rumo | Hi at all, i destroyed my mbr by installing windows 7 and i had debian with lvm before, does someone knows how to restore mbr with grml usb-live? |
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| 08:49.01 | mumpitzel | !tell Rumo about reinstall grub |
| 08:50.06 | Rumo | mumpitzel: what do you mean? |
| 08:50.17 | mumpitzel | Rumo: dpkg just sent you a message |
| 08:51.53 | mumpitzel | day: as a hail mary, try a different kernel version (3.10 from backports) which comes with newer alsa? but that's pure guessing of course |
| 08:53.15 | day | mumpitzel: well ive got the issue for like two years :/ i tried it on and off. Never saw it getting better. On a sidenote, its windows behavior is quite strange too. If i dont install any drivers the mic will work, but with a very low amplification |
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| 08:54.34 | mumpitzel | intel hda hardware differs from mainboard to mainboard: in one it works with this chip fine, in some other product you have problems like yours and worse :( |
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| 09:01.35 | Rumo | mumpitzel:can i rewrite mbr by grub when i used lvm in my debian? |
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| 09:03.23 | mumpitzel | Rumo: grub is always installed to MBR normally. nothing to do with lvm |
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| 09:11.42 | basiclaser | anyone in here tried Lubuntu? |
| 09:12.21 | jkaberg_ | when trying to install python2.7 like this, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/918241#918241 |
| 09:12.34 | themill | basiclaser: the people in #lubuntu probably have |
| 09:12.51 | themill | jkaberg_: are you trying to install python2.7 in squeeze? |
| 09:12.52 | jkaberg_ | i get http://pastebin.com/YBBeKb6n |
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| 09:13.06 | jkaberg_ | yeah i guess, unsure what verision im on |
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| 09:13.27 | jkaberg_ | yeah squezze |
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| 09:14.23 | jkaberg_ | themill, why? |
| 09:14.40 | themill | jkaberg_: egads. what a mess |
| 09:15.19 | jkaberg_ | what do you mean? :) |
| 09:15.29 | themill | jkaberg_: there are no python 2.7 packages for squeeze. The advice in that thread was poor advice when it was first given and it's flat out wrong now. |
| 09:15.41 | maxyz | jkaberg_: The default python version in squeeze is 2.6, it's not an alternative |
| 09:16.00 | jkaberg_ | alright so its a no-go then? |
| 09:16.13 | mumpitzel | jkaberg_: can you upgrade to debian stable? |
| 09:16.35 | jkaberg_ | well im using openmediavault which is based on squeeze but i could try |
| 09:16.36 | maxyz | jkaberg_: Upgrade your system to wheezy, which has python 2.7 as the default version |
| 09:16.56 | jkaberg_ | how would one simply do that? :) |
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| 09:17.10 | themill | jkaberg_: well you need to undo whatever mess you've made with symlinks and alternatives first |
| 09:17.19 | maxyz | jkaberg_: If you are not using debian, ymmv (yout milleage may vary) |
| 09:17.37 | jkaberg_ | ah ;) |
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| 09:17.40 | themill | jkaberg_: and you should ask about upgrading to a newer release in #openmediavault |
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| 09:18.27 | themill | jkaberg_: you should have "/usr/bin/python -> python2.6" and there should be no /usr/bin/python2.7 on your system. |
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| 09:19.21 | jkaberg_ | ive got a symlink for python2.7 in there |
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| 09:21.18 | jkaberg_ | would you simply have me delete that? |
| 09:21.44 | rhagu | hi, I am running a ubuntu guest on a debian 7.1 kvm host. The host uses a bonded interface, which is bridged to the guests: http://pastebin.com/GJwWNVwX the problem is: the guest is not able to retrieve an ip adress via dhcp, any ideas? |
| 09:22.02 | maxyz | jkaberg_: No, that's a really bad idea. |
| 09:22.27 | themill | jkaberg_: where did it come from? |
| 09:22.36 | jkaberg_ | alright :) what would be the best course of action? |
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| 09:22.56 | jkaberg_ | themill: in my desperate act to get python27 going i might have tried to compile it from source |
| 09:23.05 | themill | ugh |
| 09:23.22 | jkaberg_ | i can now see i should have asked here first :/ |
| 09:23.33 | maxyz | jkaberg_: You'll need to fix the cpp packages first |
| 09:24.13 | maxyz | remove the debian unstable and testing repositories from your sources list. |
| 09:24.35 | maxyz | It's not a good idea to mix those packages with openmediavault ones. |
| 09:24.44 | jkaberg_ | yeah ok done :) |
| 09:25.15 | maxyz | jkaberg_: I'm not sure how much of your system installation is broken, you may endup needing to reinstall. |
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| 09:25.28 | jkaberg_ | is there any way to find out? |
| 09:25.42 | jkaberg_ | ill take the hit, but would rather not if possible |
| 09:26.43 | maxyz | But, revert cpp to 4:4.4.5-1. That's apt-get install cpp=4:4.4.5-1 |
| 09:26.55 | maxyz | And see if that makes apt come back to life |
| 09:27.25 | jkaberg_ | http://pastebin.com/v5Q2j0fT |
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| 09:29.18 | maxyz | jkaberg_: Mmh, please try to understand the error, you need to install cpp-4.4 as well. I don't want to use you as a ssh, nor flood the irc channel with commands. |
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| 09:31.58 | maxyz | jkaberg_: Oh, you may need to check /var/log/dpkg.log to check which packages were removed/upgraded. |
| 09:32.27 | jkaberg_ | how do i do that? |
| 09:33.08 | maxyz | less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 09:33.09 | jkaberg_ | oh nvm, i miss-read |
| 09:33.11 | jkaberg_ | lol |
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| 09:35.36 | jkaberg_ | yeah im getting a bunch of half-installed on ibasan0 4.8.1-10 |
| 09:35.37 | jkaberg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.37 | jkaberg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.37 | jkaberg_ | etc |
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| 09:36.01 | jkaberg_ | sorry my bad copy |
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| 09:39.23 | giuscri | Hi there. Which is the `thing` that make my notebook hibernate when power is `critical`? |
| 09:41.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell jkaberg_ -about bat |
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| 09:42.35 | jkaberg_ | ok :) |
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| 09:45.21 | jater | Why are all Debian users liberals? |
| 09:45.29 | jkaberg_ | http://paste.debian.net/40540/ |
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| 09:46.48 | nkuttler | !tell jater about offtopic |
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| 09:48.12 | nkuttler | jkaberg_: if that was a question, apt-get install --reinstall it as the error suggests? |
| 09:48.20 | babilen | jkaberg_: Try running "aptitude -f install" and paste the output please; also you should plan your upgrade to wheezy soonish |
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| 09:49.56 | jkaberg_ | http://paste.debian.net/40547/ |
| 09:50.07 | jkaberg_ | yeah thats the plan :] just trying to solve these issues |
| 09:50.18 | jkaberg_ | @babilen ^ |
| 09:50.36 | babilen | So, we're done now? |
| 09:50.48 | blackjack | any help guys here? What does this mean? E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:50.53 | jkaberg_ | yeah, any command i should run to test my install? |
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| 09:51.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell blackjack -about bat |
| 09:51.25 | babilen | blackjack: It means that you encountered an error during the package install and that we have to see more context |
| 09:51.27 | jater | Why are all Debian users liberals? |
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| 09:52.18 | jkaberg_ | babilen: yeah, any command i should run to test my install? also got any good tip on howto proceed for dist upgrade? want to do it by the "book" |
| 09:52.33 | nkuttler | jater: take it to #debian-offtopic. or do you have a debian support question? |
| 09:52.54 | giuscri | blackjack: quote babilen. More context please =) |
| 09:53.24 | blackjack | hmmm how? |
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| 09:54.08 | blackjack | it seems everything went ok, except from the last line which says that |
| 09:54.10 | giuscri | blackjack: maybe you have already write those infos but I was not online; what are you trying to do? |
| 09:54.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell blackjack -about bat |
| 09:54.37 | babilen | blackjack: Just paste the *entire* output to http://paste.debian.net and include additional information as hinted at in the factoid our bot sent you. |
| 09:54.53 | blackjack | you mean before i typed apt-get upgrade / upgrade and dist-upgrade ? |
| 09:54.55 | blackjack | all those? |
| 09:55.10 | blackjack | after that i installed only nmap and znc and fail2ban |
| 09:55.26 | blackjack | i think all those install says on the last line "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
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| 09:55.48 | nkuttler | blackjack: don't think, just give us the info we need |
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| 09:57.15 | babilen | blackjack: I want to see the actual error, your sources.list, the "apt-cache policy $PKG" output for all involved packages and so on ... My crystal ball is not *that* powerfull. But first I will get me some coffee :) |
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| 09:58.15 | blackjack | http://pastebin.com/BS131uXR |
| 09:58.25 | babilen | hmm, should have mentioned http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:58.38 | blackjack | i dont know how to see "apt-cache policy $PKG" |
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| 09:58.54 | blackjack | sorry. ill use paste.debian.net then |
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| 09:59.59 | jkaberg_ | argh still no success! |
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| 10:00.05 | nkuttler | blackjack: start by installing dialog |
| 10:00.25 | babilen | blackjack: You really have to stop installing additional packages as piling more and more broken packages on top of each other doesn't make it easier. |
| 10:01.17 | jkaberg_ | could you guys take a look again? http://paste.debian.net/40554/ |
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| 10:02.03 | babilen | jkaberg_: Mind trying "apt-get --reinstall install cpp" or even a "apt-get purge cpp ; apt-get install cpp" ? |
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| 10:03.19 | jkaberg_ | http://paste.debian.net/40555/ |
| 10:03.20 | blackjack | ok babilen how do i first start on a good debian 7 install on a VPS ? |
| 10:03.22 | jkaberg_ | :( |
| 10:03.24 | blackjack | which to install first |
| 10:03.30 | jkaberg_ | babilen: it dosnt want to play nice |
| 10:03.33 | boodie | Hi: I tried to create a secondary account for my daughter ... (useradd, passwd, etc.). When trying to acces her account from the desktop manager, I get the following error message "Call to lnusrtemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation." . Her directory under /home doesn't exist. Distro = stable. Any ideas? |
| 10:03.40 | blackjack | the only thing i know was to initiate apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:03.55 | blackjack | im not on a dedicated server by the way |
| 10:04.21 | blackjack | nkuttler, what is "dialog"? |
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| 10:07.15 | blackjack | hmmm |
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| 10:09.03 | babilen | jkaberg_: May I see your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy cpp-4.4" please? |
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| 10:10.23 | jkaberg_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/40560/ |
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| 10:11.58 | babilen | jkaberg_: I'm not going to support that system (due to third-party repositories), but I would suggest you run "apt-get update", purge those offending packages and try a dist-upgrade. |
| 10:12.31 | jkaberg_ | babilen: when you say purge, you mean cpp? |
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| 10:12.50 | babilen | yes, along with the other packages. |
| 10:14.12 | jkaberg_ | babilen: no matter what i do this always get back at me http://paste.debian.net/40561/ |
| 10:14.20 | giuscri | jkaberg_: but when you type `purge` you're not dleting *one* single file? Or at least, the output says so I think. So why don't you search by hand for that file ...? Am I wrong? |
| 10:15.29 | jkaberg_ | giuscri: check my paste, http://paste.debian.net/40561/ i cant get further |
| 10:16.02 | babilen | jkaberg_: You might have to use dpkg to do this. But really, your system isn't really Debian anymore ... Google for that error and you'll find plenty of discussions about the symptoms and ways to solve it (i'm sure) |
| 10:16.30 | jkaberg_ | babilen: alright perhaps ill have to do a reinstall afterall :) |
| 10:16.50 | jkaberg_ | just a quick question then as i have a raid setup using mdam, will i lose this raid or can i recover it? |
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| 10:17.01 | jkaberg_ | i mean mdadm |
| 10:17.26 | giuscri | jkaberg_: just had a look at your output, ok. When it says `... 1 to remove ...`: can't you use `grep` or something more powerful to catch that package --whose name starts with `cpp...`-- ? |
| 10:18.17 | jkaberg_ | giauscri: im not that good with console, i'd have to ask you to explain further :) |
| 10:18.17 | mumpitzel | jkaberg_: and why don't do you what line 12-13 says then? and no, I don't mean a debian reinstall |
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| 10:19.10 | giuscri | mumpitzel: how can jkaberg_ reinstall a package by hand? |
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| 10:19.28 | jkaberg_ | mumpitzel: what he said ^ i dont know another way |
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| 10:19.40 | blackjack | babilen my repositories too are different |
| 10:19.54 | blackjack | would you suggest me installing the x86 version instead of x64? |
| 10:20.10 | blackjack | its jusg 1gb vps anyway |
| 10:20.13 | blackjack | just* |
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| 10:20.56 | Arroyo1010 | is now away: I've gone away. Might come back, or not. |
| 10:20.59 | blackjack | OpenVZ VPS - 1GB |
| 10:21.08 | babilen | Arual: Please turn that off, thank you! :) |
| 10:21.13 | blackjack | i was trying to install debian 7 x64 |
| 10:21.16 | babilen | Arual: Sorry, ENICK |
| 10:21.26 | babilen | Arroyo1010: Please turn that off, thank you! :) |
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| 10:21.56 | blackjack | babilen what do you think might be my problem? |
| 10:22.08 | Arual | huh? |
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| 10:22.37 | blackjack | Arual: babilen made a wrong tab on your nick |
| 10:22.39 | Arual | babilen: I'm confuzzled :P huh? |
| 10:22.41 | Arual | ohhh ok |
| 10:22.44 | Arual | thank you |
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| 10:22.47 | blackjack | it was for Arroyo1010 |
| 10:22.49 | blackjack | ok |
| 10:22.51 | Arual | lol |
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| 10:22.56 | babilen | Arual: I got the nick wrong (ENICK == ERROR NICK) - I meant to tell Arroyo1010 that (s)he should turn off the away notices, but tab-completed your nick :) |
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| 10:23.07 | Arroyo1010 | :D |
| 10:23.10 | Arroyo1010 | yes i'm on it |
| 10:23.14 | blackjack | babilen, how about my problem dude? :) |
| 10:23.19 | Arroyo1010 | i got the same scolding in every channel |
| 10:24.11 | Arual | babilen: oh ok, no problemo :D |
| 10:24.23 | blackjack | Arroyo1010, its a bad habit turning on that kind of script. It will only alert your other girl friends that you are away when infact you really are not and your talking to your other girl friends |
| 10:24.35 | babilen | Arroyo1010: And rightfully so! /me chuckles ... thanks for dealing with it. :) |
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| 10:25.00 | Arroyo1010 | :D |
| 10:25.34 | Arroyo1010 | i misconfigured my bouncer. I thought that was the away reason. Now i know :) |
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| 10:26.09 | jkaberg_ | ok so just to ask again mdadm: if i reinstall my setup, will i lose my raid5 array? |
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| 10:26.42 | giuscri | where's a list of all known bugs in Debian? I want something to work on =) |
| 10:26.51 | blackjack | guys whats the difference between x86 and x64? i mean. |
| 10:27.19 | blackjack | i mean in terms of software availability |
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| 10:31.16 | babilen | jkaberg_: If you don't change it and keep it then yes. You will have to start over though if you really want to reinstall because you would end up with the same system if you don't. |
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| 10:31.40 | jkaberg_ | babilen: im going to go this way https://wiki.debian.org/InstallOpenMediaVaultOnDebian |
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| 10:31.59 | jkaberg_ | babilen: that will give me wheezy and omv which i want, in addition to python 2.7 :) |
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| 10:34.05 | babilen | jkaberg_: But I would still recommend to try to fix your problem. You can use dpkg and install packages manually (dpkg -i), you can find them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. or remove them with dpkg. I simply don't support your system setup (which would warrant a reinstall) as you run a mix of Debian and various third-party repos (not even meant for Debian) |
| 10:35.07 | jkaberg_ | babilen: dkpg gives me errors aswell |
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| 10:35.34 | jkaberg_ | babilen: i guess my install is pretty messed up so might aswell just re-do it |
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| 10:35.56 | jkaberg_ | babilen: apphriciate your help and input tho :) |
| 10:36.07 | Rumo | i tryed to reinstall mbr with grub but when i restart just the grub> prompt appears... then i tryed grub>root (hd0,1) but unknown command 'root' .... |
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| 10:41.13 | babilen | jkaberg_: Please refrain from adding (semi-)random repositories to your sources.list if you value getting support in here. (and running a working system) |
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| 10:46.18 | maxyz | Rumo: that's grub 1 syntax, you are most probably using grub2. Try set root='hd0,msdos1' |
| 10:47.32 | jkaberg_ | babilen: i got you, will take note! |
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| 10:49.41 | labatesa | I use dvorak here, but i type my passphare encrypted in qwerty, i have update my kernel and passhare is in dvorak, is possible revert this? |
| 10:50.13 | jack_thompson | so where is the wwwroot in the awstats package? or should i contact that package maintainer directly... right now the awstats package in debian is harder to install (or, rather, impossible) compared to the official package.. |
| 10:51.12 | labatesa | is possible change passphare for lvm encrypted in debian wheezy? |
| 10:52.36 | babilen | labatesa: No, but you can add additional keys. |
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| 10:54.41 | labatesa | I use dvorak native when my system is decrypted, when I type in passrase is in QWERTY, was yesterday upgraded my kernel and now I have to type in the passprase dvorak, which I modify to reverse it? |
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| 10:55.55 | babilen | labatesa: Just add an additional passphrase that matches your keymap at the time you want to enter it |
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| 10:56.41 | labatesa | how to add? |
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| 11:00.24 | labatesa | is easy try revert keymap |
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| 11:06.02 | mumpitzel | jkaberg_: usually with "dpkg -i <package file>" is a good start |
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| 11:06.43 | labatesa | how i can change encrypted passprase in debian lvm encrypted? |
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| 11:07.43 | babilen | labatesa: You cannot, add another key. |
| 11:07.55 | labatesa | how add another key? |
| 11:08.32 | labatesa | :) |
| 11:08.59 | babilen | labatesa: Read "man cryptsetup" and take a look at luksAddKey .. I'm sure there are various websites that explain this. I haven't memorised it in detail. |
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| 11:09.37 | labatesa | sudo cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda5 |
| 11:09.59 | labatesa | but how know if is /dev/sda5, is my question |
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| 11:10.16 | babilen | labatesa: Once you successfully added a new one you can, naturally, remove the old one. (luksRemoveKey) |
| 11:10.19 | labatesa | i see here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto |
| 11:10.38 | labatesa | sudo cryptsetup luksKillSlot /dev/sda5 0 for remove |
| 11:11.19 | labatesa | but my question is about /dev/sda5, I'm afraid that if it changes or goes algumerro. |
| 11:11.30 | labatesa | but my question is about /dev/sda5, I'm afraid that if it changes or goes any error* |
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| 11:13.01 | babilen | labatesa: Add a key, then remove the other (or leave it) ; don't use luksKillSlot or be *very* cautious |
| 11:13.12 | babilen | (verify that the new one works) |
| 11:13.21 | babilen | Please, just read the manpage. |
| 11:13.35 | labatesa | Enter any LUKS passphrase: |
| 11:13.36 | labatesa | is my passphrase current? |
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| 11:16.00 | babilen | labatesa: what? |
| 11:16.17 | labatesa | my passphare 0? |
| 11:16.41 | labatesa | slot 0 |
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| 11:17.50 | babilen | labatesa: You are being asked to enter a valid passphrase .. any will do, but my understanding was that you have (as of now) only one. So enter that. |
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| 11:21.31 | speedfire_ | Hi, someone Have an Idea about bumblebee under Debian Jessie ? |
| 11:21.48 | labatesa | babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7Xv20d2v |
| 11:22.38 | labatesa | babilen: but i not receice messege "Command successful." |
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| 11:24.07 | Roland- | hello, can I somehow choose what packages to install at installation even with expert? |
| 11:24.36 | labatesa | i go reboot and try |
| 11:24.58 | Roland- | that means formatting |
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| 11:26.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell speedfire_ -about bumblebee |
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| 11:27.15 | Benkinooby | Roland-: huh? formatting has nothing to do with the packages you install |
| 11:27.28 | speedfire_ | thx >_< linking very usefull gosh.... |
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| 11:29.29 | Benkinooby | Roland-: but usually you can make a rough package selection - like desktop system, print server, web server, file server, etc. |
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| 11:30.10 | Benkinooby | Roland-: in case you're not sure, just install the basic system utilities and later go for the packages you need. there is no difference if you install them during install or after install |
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| 11:31.31 | Benkinooby | Roland-: otherwise have a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 11:33.08 | Larz | How can I install PaX? (I have AppArmor installed, but now I want to install PaX too.) |
| 11:33.25 | babilen | Roland-: As Benkinooby explaind: You are being offered a selection of tasks and I would personally recommend to *at least* install the standard one. Everything else can be installed later (see, for example, "/msg dpkg install xorg" and "/msg dpkg install gnome" ...) |
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| 11:34.49 | Benkibooby | hi Benkibooby |
| 11:34.56 | Benkibooby | hi Benkinooby |
| 11:35.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:35.49 | bazhang | is that a bot |
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| 11:36.05 | Benkinooby | sorry, that's my vm - i had trouble with irc before so i tested quickly and forgot to not spam your channel |
| 11:36.18 | Benkinooby | i'll go somewhere else with it |
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| 11:38.09 | Benkinooby | oh i see - it's irssi's fault. it does onyl hilight if the nick is the first word of the message |
| 11:38.12 | abrotman | Larz: which Pax ? |
| 11:38.15 | Larz | Do you guys know of any linux distribution that has PaX and AppArmor enabled by default? |
| 11:38.26 | abrotman | Larz: perhaps ask ##linux |
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| 11:48.17 | b0rsuk | Hi, how can I calculate the widest row length in commandline ? |
| 11:48.30 | b0rsuk | Any stuff I can pipe to ? |
| 11:48.40 | b0rsuk | Vim is also okay. |
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| 11:49.45 | Benkinooby | b0rsuk: what do you want to achieve? |
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| 11:51.12 | b0rsuk | Benkinooby: Long story short, I want to put a magic number in my program just columns to a specific width. |
| 11:51.15 | abrotman | b0rsuk: of the terminal ? |
| 11:51.20 | abrotman | rows or columns ? |
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| 11:51.55 | b0rsuk | Max row width. Number of rows is trivial with wc -l. |
| 11:52.44 | abrotman | b0rsuk: i think you're confusing terms, but echo $COLUMNS |
| 11:53.32 | abrotman | b0rsuk: also "echo $LINES" |
| 11:54.01 | b0rsuk | echo $LIES |
| 11:54.09 | abrotman | in your terminal |
| 11:54.40 | b0rsuk | I was just kidding. |
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| 11:55.02 | abrotman | there's no kidding |
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| 11:55.50 | Benkibooby | abrotman: just give him funny answers >:) |
| 11:55.55 | davis776 | is there any way to remove iceweasel/rhythmbox/shotwell without removing gnome? |
| 11:56.13 | b0rsuk | Serious mode ON. I solved the task with python interpreter (f = open('file.txt', 'r'), print(max([len(row) for row in list(f)]) |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | okay |
| 11:56.32 | Larz | I have AppArmor Installed, but I am willing to secure my system more, I ran a paxtest and I am not impressed by the results, how can I make my results better and make my linux system kill those stuff? Here are my results: http://pastebin.com/qfupaSaq |
| 11:56.36 | abrotman | davis776: sure,b ut why? |
| 11:56.44 | b0rsuk | But it's a bit awkward, I'd prefer to have a commandline util for that. Surely there must be something ? |
| 11:56.53 | abrotman | b0rsuk: i told you how |
| 11:56.57 | davis776 | abrotman, dont want them |
| 11:56.57 | b0rsuk | The script is like 3 lines. |
| 11:57.10 | abrotman | Larz: please ask #ubuntu |
| 11:57.15 | abrotman | davis776: /msg dpkg unmark auto |
| 11:57.16 | Brigo | b0rsuk: what abount echo $COLUMNS? |
| 11:57.27 | abrotman | Brigo: i already told him that |
| 11:57.43 | b0rsuk | abrotman: Neither $COLUMNS nor $ROWS produced the correct number. Widest row is 113, I got 42 from $LINES and 165 from $COLUMNS. |
| 11:57.44 | Brigo | abrotman: that's why i know :-) |
| 11:57.50 | abrotman | Larz: this channel is for Debian support, not Ubuntu support |
| 11:58.03 | abrotman | b0rsuk: then those are the correct answers .. perhaps you sohuld test it |
| 11:58.32 | abrotman | b0rsuk: those COLUMNS/LINES are the dimensions of your terminal |
| 11:59.12 | Benkibooby | b0rsuk: use 80 symbols - that's the "default" row width |
| 11:59.51 | Benkibooby | i think usually 25x80 or so, no? |
| 11:59.56 | b0rsuk | Benkibooby: I should, but there's no way I'm fitting this data into 80 columns. I'll make my program output .pdf and .html. |
| 12:00.24 | abrotman | Benkibooby: 24x80 is the "traditional" geometry |
| 12:00.51 | Benkibooby | b0rsuk: and what about putting it in a text file? |
| 12:01.00 | Benkibooby | abrotman: ah, thx for the info |
| 12:01.34 | b0rsuk | abrotman: We misunderstood each other. I wanted to check the widest line len in a file, not my term size. |
| 12:01.37 | Benkibooby | abrotman: do you know how they got to these numbers? were that the "resolution" of the old terminals? |
| 12:01.39 | davis776 | abrotman, very helpful thats what I was trying last few hours |
| 12:01.54 | Benkibooby | b0rsuk: ooooohhhhh |
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| 12:02.10 | abrotman | b0rsuk: there we go .. that's how you ask a question :) |
| 12:02.48 | abrotman | b0rsuk: man wc |
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| 12:04.17 | b0rsuk | abrotman: I have 80x25 tty1 size and this yakuake terminal is 165x42. |
| 12:04.56 | b0rsuk | abrotman: wc -l gives me number of rows, not widest row. |
| 12:05.14 | b0rsuk | Wait... |
| 12:05.39 | abrotman | b0rsuk: man wc .. read it again |
| 12:05.48 | abrotman | ignore the -l, read the other options |
| 12:05.48 | b0rsuk | wc -L !! |
| 12:05.59 | abrotman | b0rsuk: all set? |
| 12:06.07 | b0rsuk | Thank you. |
| 12:06.24 | Benkinooby | abrotman: shouldn't be the rows mentioned first (as ususlly done by matrices)? |
| 12:06.42 | Benkinooby | it's picky i know, just want to make sure. |
| 12:06.53 | abrotman | Benkinooby: eh, reference? |
| 12:06.54 | b0rsuk | I'm writing a hobby program for outputing some game data, and formatting each table column individually to max width is accomplished, but a pain in the butt. |
| 12:07.02 | abrotman | Benkinooby: but generally, yes |
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| 12:07.17 | b0rsuk | I think I'll just go with static column width set to widest row as the default option. |
| 12:07.40 | b0rsuk | reStructuredText columns are a pain to generate with scripts as opposed to by hand. |
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| 12:14.22 | Benkinooby | b0rsuk: but in that case you'll probably have a better result with html tables |
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| 12:14.46 | Benkinooby | and it will be easier to produce i think |
| 12:16.56 | Benkinooby | b0rsuk: do you need the data live? |
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| 12:18.16 | deanrock0 | hi, does netinst ISO work on usb key? |
| 12:18.36 | deanrock0 | i tried it twice and both time i got "your installation cd-rom couldnt be mounted" error when trying to install |
| 12:19.05 | xand | deanrock0: yes it does |
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| 12:19.20 | xand | deanrock0: how did you put it on there? |
| 12:19.27 | xand | though if it booted at all... hm |
| 12:19.33 | deanrock0 | dd |
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| 12:23.08 | deanrock0 | xand: i enabled fast boot in bios and now it works fine ... no idea why that would matter |
| 12:23.21 | xand | weird |
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| 13:24.26 | abrotman | pattonb: do you need help? |
| 13:26.21 | pattonb | maybe, I was just looking at some of the irc functions. I recognize your name from a long time ago. it was the local time setting. interesting |
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| 13:27.26 | abrotman | pattonb: no reason for this box to have UTC |
| 13:28.32 | sliddjur | I mounted a network share, it has rw for me, but I cannot even write when I am sudo |
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| 13:52.35 | ArchDuke | Is it possible to completely replace network-manager with wicd? I seem to have regular problems with network-manager not accurately scanning |
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| 13:55.25 | zykotick9 | ArchDuke: if you use gnome (or even, i believe kde) then removing N-M might not be "trivial" (but should be possible, if you really wanted) |
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| 13:56.04 | ArchDuke | I'm using XFCE, but I've held off on completely removing gnome - don't some things, like gparted, require I have gnome installed? |
| 13:57.03 | zykotick9 | ArchDuke: i'm not sure if xfce relies on N-M or not (package wise)? |
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| 13:57.47 | zykotick9 | ArchDuke: my netbook has only wicd (no N-M), but it's a very minimal setup, with no DE and just a WM. |
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| 14:01.40 | zykotick9 | nikola: ahhh, burning software that can't to ISOs properly? does that even exist (in gnu/linux, i might believe it in windows). |
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| 14:18.38 | OnionNet | pgas does that mean files can be hardlinked to entire directories? |
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| 14:23.51 | vrs | I have a service that I want to be able to start and stop as user |
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| 14:24.00 | vrs | what's the preferred debian way to do that? |
| 14:24.12 | vrs | I googled a bit but maybe I just didn't use the right terms |
| 14:24.17 | ToApolytoXaos | as user? |
| 14:24.31 | vrs | I don't want to be root to be able to start/stop mpd |
| 14:24.34 | C00re | what service is this you mention? |
| 14:24.37 | C00re | ok |
| 14:24.52 | ToApolytoXaos | then i guess you have to add your user to a admin group |
| 14:24.58 | ToApolytoXaos | an admin |
| 14:25.19 | vrs | no sudo/suid magic? |
| 14:25.41 | C00re | some "services" might have configfile where you specify which user you want to run it from |
| 14:26.06 | vrs | yes but i don't want to run mpd as my main user either |
| 14:26.33 | zykotick9 | vrs: i'm not sure what you are doing exactly, cause i run mpd on all my boxes, and i can't ever remember having to restart the service? best of luck. |
| 14:26.37 | themill | mpd runs as its own user |
| 14:26.48 | vrs | zykotick9: music is on an external hdd |
| 14:26.56 | vrs | themill: exactly |
| 14:27.08 | themill | vrs: exactly what? |
| 14:27.17 | C00re | mpd = music player daemon? |
| 14:27.18 | vrs | "mpd runs as its own user" |
| 14:27.26 | themill | vrs: it already does this |
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| 14:28.05 | vrs | yes |
| 14:28.07 | vrs | I know |
| 14:28.29 | themill | so you're trying to get something to happen that is already happening? |
| 14:28.33 | vrs | but nevermind I just found out that if I stop playback instead of just pausing it, I can unmount the hdd just fine |
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| 14:29.13 | C00re | i see MPD has its own channel on freenode too |
| 14:29.22 | C00re | channel name is mpd |
| 14:29.27 | zykotick9 | vrs: for example, in ncmcpp you can press "u" to update the mpd database, without restarting the service? |
| 14:29.37 | vrs | zykotick9: I know |
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| 14:29.52 | zykotick9 | C00re: #mpd is NOT a fan of debian's mpd :( |
| 14:30.20 | C00re | :D |
| 14:30.21 | C00re | ok |
| 14:30.31 | C00re | but general questions i suppose |
| 14:31.20 | vrs | zykotick9: I was just looking for a way to let a non-root user stop/start the daemon without having to run it as that user, because it wouldn't release the hdd otherwise; however I found out that by stopping playback, I can make it release the hdd so it's fine |
| 14:32.04 | zykotick9 | vrs: ummm, i hadn't taken the "unmounting" into account. ya, i could see that being a pain. well, good luck. |
| 14:32.40 | themill | vrs: the generic answer to that would be to permit the user to start/stop either that specific service or all services by giving them permission to do so with sudo |
| 14:32.58 | vrs | themill: thanks |
| 14:33.11 | C00re | nice, mpd supports ipv6 too |
| 14:33.19 | C00re | more v6 to the people! |
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| 14:35.20 | Sia- | just want to install debian 7 on imacintel, but can't load grub to get on debian installer! any command to run the installer any way? |
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| 14:36.50 | os_ | hi |
| 14:37.11 | os_ | i wonder what is the license in dash package |
| 14:37.57 | os_ | in the man page i see (BSD) but in doc folder there is a gpl phrase |
| 14:38.26 | cthuluh | a tool under GPL is used at build time |
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| 14:38.57 | os_ | so dash is a bsd-licened ? |
| 14:39.05 | cthuluh | yes |
| 14:39.10 | os_ | hmm |
| 14:39.16 | cthuluh | (3-clause BSD) |
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| 14:39.28 | os_ | Ah , ok |
| 14:39.36 | os_ | cthuluh: thanks very much |
| 14:40.28 | os_ | this make him decide to make a another new shell |
| 14:40.56 | os_ | this make him decide to make a "another new shell" |
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| 14:41.58 | Axlin | Hey, I'm having a weird problem with binding C-Right to execute "xdotool key XF86AudioPlay" in my ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml. I have C-Up/C-Down to XF86Audio(Raise/Lower)Volume and they work fine, but for whatever reason XF86AudioPlay has no effect. |
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| 14:42.25 | Axlin | I even made a simple bash script to run the command and it executes perfectly from a terminal, but binding it to a shortcut in rc.xml also has no effect. Anybody know what's up? |
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| 14:46.08 | Walex | Axlin: use 'xev' to do a basic check |
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| 14:46.37 | jiohdi | does anyone remember the shutdown keys when the system is locked up? |
| 14:47.00 | abrotman | you mean the sysrq stuff? |
| 14:47.01 | Axlin | Yeah all keys are registering properly. Control_L, Control_R, Up, Down, Left, Right. All showing up fine with xev |
| 14:47.23 | zmode | jiohdi: alt+sysrq + reisub |
| 14:47.30 | jiohdi | yes |
| 14:47.33 | abrotman | probably want b'b |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | erm ..'b' |
| 14:48.06 | Axlin | In fact, if I rebind, say, XF86AudioRaiseVolume to C-Up, which is what I want to control play/pause, in rc.xml, it executes perfectly. The problem seems to somehow lie with the command xdotool key XF86AudioPlay |
| 14:48.16 | jiohdi | zmode, which key is sysrq? |
| 14:48.28 | zmode | jiohdi: the one that says Sys Rq |
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| 14:48.39 | jiohdi | I dont have one |
| 14:48.58 | zmode | jiohdi: you have. it probably also says "print screen" |
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| 14:49.35 | jiohdi | thats not working either, I guess I just have to hard reboot |
| 14:49.48 | zmode | jiohdi: it's possible that it's not enabled. look into it after you reboot |
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| 14:50.10 | zmode | jiohdi: or you're in a state in which magic sysrq is not working and you indeed just have to hard reboot |
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| 14:53.19 | Walex | jiohdi: the SysReq keys may need to be explicitly enabled, both when compiling the kernel and with a 'sysctl'. |
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| 14:54.05 | Walex | jiohdi: check 'sysctl kernel/sysrq' |
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| 14:55.58 | jiohdi | walex it says kernel.sysrq=438 |
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| 14:57.24 | Walex | jiohdi: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
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| 15:02.34 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, no :) |
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| 15:04.42 | xingu | is it considered evil to bump /etc/cronttab by hand to run cron.weekly on monday instead of sunday? |
| 15:05.00 | xingu | (I have a system where the latter is a better fit) |
| 15:05.29 | xingu | err, former I guess; running on monday is a better fit for this site |
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| 15:15.05 | abrotman | xingu: i don't see why it would matter |
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| 15:16.06 | UserError | Guys, do you know how to get a minimal Xorg config as per a specific driver? |
| 15:16.12 | UserError | these "depends" are crazy |
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| 15:16.16 | UserError | and not depends |
| 15:16.18 | UserError | at all |
| 15:16.32 | abrotman | UserError: install the 'xorg' package |
| 15:16.39 | UserError | uh |
| 15:16.40 | zykotick9 | UserError: why does this sound familiar? oh ya, #ubuntu |
| 15:16.44 | UserError | it is bloated |
| 15:16.50 | UserError | yes zyko |
| 15:16.58 | UserError | i will use whatever FS |
| 15:17.01 | UserError | that can answer this |
| 15:17.09 | UserError | sans gentoo because i already have that build |
| 15:17.11 | abrotman | UserError: which distro is this? |
| 15:17.22 | UserError | i have an ubuntu fs, a deb one |
| 15:17.23 | UserError | and |
| 15:17.24 | UserError | fedora |
| 15:17.27 | abrotman | UserError: the recommended way in Debian is to use the 'xorg' package |
| 15:17.28 | UserError | so take your pick |
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| 15:17.35 | UserError | yes, and have you looked at |
| 15:17.38 | UserError | that meta |
| 15:17.55 | UserError | i'm asking if individual single debs can be installed |
| 15:17.56 | abrotman | UserError: that is the answer .. if you think you're smarter than the DD, do it on your own. don't waste our time trying to break your system |
| 15:17.57 | UserError | by themselves |
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| 15:18.01 | UserError | and what the minimal config is |
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| 15:18.10 | abrotman | UserError: please fix your Enter key |
| 15:18.34 | xingu | abrotman: tnx, that's what I was hoping, I know it'll give things like log rotation a bit of a different colour than they usually have, but again the "end of week" here contextually is closer to mon evening than sun morning - the cycle being what it is in fact the sun 6a-9a slot happens to be a peak scheduling time. |
| 15:18.37 | UserError | removing a SiS package is not going to break an intel or Mali driver |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | UserError: then do what you want, don't ask us |
| 15:18.55 | xingu | in fact thinking about this I think 2 is the new 7. :) |
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| 15:19.30 | abrotman | xingu: obviously, don't change this on a Monday (avoiding running on Sunday/Monday back to back days) |
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| 15:19.46 | xingu | abrotman: makes sense |
| 15:20.24 | xingu | one 9 day week is better than one <=2 day week |
| 15:20.29 | abrotman | probably |
| 15:20.35 | trever | hello, i traced a running daemon gdomap back to file-roller->unar->gnustep-base-runtime is there a way to remove the package without destroying file-roller? |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | trever: did you try stopping the daemon? |
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| 15:21.47 | trever | no, just blocked the port in the firewall |
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| 15:21.59 | trever | why does a file-roller need an open port? |
| 15:22.01 | abrotman | it probably wasn't listening beyond localhost |
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| 15:22.30 | tajwan | debian irc PL? |
| 15:22.40 | trever | 0.0.0.0:538 |
| 15:22.41 | xingu | abrotman: just started thinking about this when looking at the heavy duty stuff like how to schedule raid scrub, lvm snapshot + backup, etc (on this system these things can take 10-12h to finish) |
| 15:22.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tajwan about pl |
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| 15:29.18 | leoleo11 | hello |
| 15:29.30 | leoleo11 | whats a good video editor that is free as in speech? |
| 15:29.44 | abrotman | kdenlive |
| 15:30.01 | babilen | leoleo11: Google for "video editor linux", but I doubt that you'll find one for the command line ;) |
| 15:30.12 | leoleo11 | hahaha |
| 15:30.18 | leoleo11 | i knoe |
| 15:30.19 | leoleo11 | w |
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| 15:30.26 | leoleo11 | is openshot good? |
| 15:30.29 | babilen | leoleo11: There are various alternatives that are all quite good (e.g. cinelerra, kdenlive, ...) and it all depends on what you are looking for. |
| 15:30.46 | babilen | haven't played with openshot, give it a try if it appeals to you |
| 15:34.50 | leoleo11 | ok |
| 15:34.53 | leoleo11 | i will |
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| 15:38.01 | sliddjur | I mounted a network share, it has rw for me, but I cannot even write when I am sudo. How come? |
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| 15:39.09 | sliddjur | ./srv/data my.ip.ip.ip(rw,sync) |
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| 15:39.47 | sliddjur | sudo mount.nfs4 my.server.ip.ip:/srv/data /home/sliddjur/ |
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| 15:42.13 | C00re | not sure if it matter, is the owner,group and rights correct on the folders? |
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| 15:42.59 | julius_ | hi |
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| 15:43.27 | julius_ | is there a command so see what packages were installed as dependencies of some app? the dpkg.log file looks confusing |
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| 15:46.48 | rgwu | julius: info dpkg |
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| 15:48.44 | Rumo | hi at all, I istalled win7 and it destroyed my mbr. starting from live usb and ejecting the usb my computer ends with grub> prompt. what to do that grub find the right device and partition? |
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| 15:50.32 | mtn | Rumo: maybe this would help: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub |
| 15:50.55 | Rumo | mtn: ill have a look, thank you so far |
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| 15:52.29 | Axlin | julius_: Install apt-rdepends and then: apt-cache rdepends --reverse foo |
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| 15:54.04 | Axlin | julius_: Oh, hang on, I completely misinterpreted your question. I thought you were looking for which packages are depended *by* the package. To list dependencies *of* a package, try: apt-cache show foo |
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| 16:01.03 | OldParr | motherboard k8m800 has no sound in debian wheezy, please is there any experience? |
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| 16:02.59 | Rumo | mtn: i tryed grub-install /dev/sda but there was a message: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?) |
| 16:03.03 | leoleo11 | whats a good free video converter? |
| 16:03.14 | zmode | leoleo11: ffmpeg |
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| 16:03.21 | mumpitzel | Rumo: did you bind mount into your chroot? |
| 16:03.46 | Rumo | mumpitzel: no i didnt- what should i do? |
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| 16:04.57 | mumpitzel | Rumo: you need to follow /msg dpkg fixmbr or /msg dpkg reinstall grub as I told you hours ago |
| 16:06.10 | leoleo11 | zmode: what about a gui one? |
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| 16:06.31 | OldParr | motherboard biostar k8m800 has no sound in debian wheezy, please is there any experience? |
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| 16:07.07 | mumpitzel | !tell OldParr about alsa checklist |
| 16:07.32 | mumpitzel | OldParr: and if you suspect a hardware reason, the first thing is to check what actual sound hardware it is |
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| 16:11.44 | twujfive_ | is "kvm" equivalent to the command "qemu -enable-kvm" ? |
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| 16:30.02 | Kunda | has anyone here migrated a 32bit squeeze to a 64 bit wheezy ? |
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| 16:31.03 | mtn | Kunda: if you have a problem, go ahead and tell us about it |
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| 16:35.15 | Rumo | mumpitzel: are you german ? can i ask you in private? |
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| 16:35.54 | mumpitzel | I am german, you cannot ask in private |
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| 16:36.41 | mumpitzel | Kunda: you will need to reinstall to move to amd64 |
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| 16:36.58 | ghostrider_ | reinstalling is easy |
| 16:37.09 | UserError | I did notsee that coming |
| 16:37.12 | ghostrider_ | i would just make surethat you have your home folder on another partition |
| 16:37.25 | ghostrider_ | i just migrated my boxes to 7.1 and it went smooth |
| 16:37.45 | DarkPlayer | hi, is this the right channel to ask a question related to creating debian packages? |
| 16:37.57 | Rumo | mumpitzel: ok then public, i wanted to mount my old debian (sda2) to /mnt/temp but there is a unknown filesystem 'LVM2_member'... |
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| 16:39.24 | mumpitzel | Rumo: shouldn't the live cd mount everything automatically? |
| 16:39.35 | Some_Person | I need help setting up the nvidia proprietary driver on a machine here. Every time I try to enable it, X fails to load |
| 16:39.50 | mumpitzel | Rumo: and when you use lvm, you obviously can't mount sda2 or other partitions but must go through /dev/mapper |
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| 16:40.05 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: what videocard? is optimus involved? |
| 16:40.42 | Rumo | mumpitzel: i have a separate boot partition (sda1) |
| 16:40.53 | mumpitzel | Rumo: that's not what I asked |
| 16:40.56 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: GeForce 6100 (on-board) |
| 16:41.09 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: which debian package are you installing for this? |
| 16:41.37 | mumpitzel | Rumo: start your livecd and then run the command "mount" |
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| 16:41.41 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:42.46 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: you need the legacy package. 173.x or so. the current 304.x driver will not work on hardware as old as yours |
| 16:43.06 | Rumo | mumpitzel: i did - shall i tell something about the listed lines? |
| 16:43.09 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: I thought the 304.x driver worked for 6xxx and newer (at least that's what the wiki says) |
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| 16:43.22 | Kunda | when i do a dpkg --get-selection i see some packages designated 'deinstall' what does that mean? Do I need to purge them fully from the system for them not to show up in the list ? |
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| 16:43.48 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: These are the instructions I've been trying to use: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.88 |
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| 16:44.07 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: that's great but it will not work. your nvidia chip is too old, you need different drivers |
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| 16:44.44 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: apt-cache search nvidia|grep legacy |
| 16:44.49 | Some_Person | Okay, I'll try the 173.x driver |
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| 16:47.05 | nagetier | Hi, setting CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="-VBOX-DEB7-i386-smp-0.2" returns 'dpkg-gencontrol: error: illegal package name 'linux-image-3.2.46-VBOX-DEB7-i386-smp-0.2': character 'V' not allowed' in Debian 7.1.Replacing V don't help, where is my error in CONFIG_LOCALVERSION ? |
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| 16:47.58 | Kunda | sorry for repost, didn't want this to get buried: "when i do a dpkg --get-selection i see some packages designated 'deinstall' what does that mean? Do I need to purge them fully from the system for them not to show up in the list ?" |
| 16:48.13 | mumpitzel | Rumo: put it inside a pastebin if you can't interpret the output. do not paste it in channel |
| 16:48.17 | mumpitzel | !tell Rumo about paste |
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| 17:05.00 | the_cyber_guy | there is some repo for debian which has all the toolset required to make a good stable web application server including nginx, php-fpm, some opensource tool for supervision and reporting. i forgot its name. can someone help me finding it ? |
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| 17:05.58 | jcbjoe | what up peeps |
| 17:06.16 | jcbjoe | how can i see everything at boot ? dmesg isn't showing me what i need |
| 17:06.30 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: I'm still running into the same problem |
| 17:06.55 | Some_Person | ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': No such device |
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| 17:08.11 | Some_Person | What should I do? |
| 17:08.39 | abrotman | Some_Person: pastebin your 'lspci -nn' |
| 17:08.50 | abrotman | the_cyber_guy: the main repo |
| 17:09.07 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: then use an ever older driver, the 96xx one |
| 17:09.11 | Some_Person | abrotman: I'm guessing I should remove the xorg.conf so X will start again with nouveau first? |
| 17:09.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jcbjoe about bootlog |
| 17:09.25 | Some_Person | It's hard to pastebin from a console :) |
| 17:09.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Some_Person about pastebinit |
| 17:09.57 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: Seriously, that should not be necessary. My card is supposed to be supported by the 304.x driver |
| 17:10.10 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: it never was. it's an ancient card |
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| 17:10.23 | jcbjoe | hmm |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | waits for the lspci |
| 17:10.35 | codepython777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.37 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: 6100 is an ancient card? |
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| 17:10.57 | Some_Person | http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html |
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| 17:11.12 | somiaj | codepython777: are you running debian stable and just want security updates |
| 17:11.26 | Some_Person | abrotman: Except I use network-manager to connect to my wifi, so that's still an issue |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | Some_Person: so don't use it, do it mnaually |
| 17:11.39 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: it's from 2005/6, so yes, pretty ancient |
| 17:11.45 | somiaj | codepython777: look at the package cron-apt there are others too. |
| 17:11.46 | codepython777 | somiaj: I was hoping to run wheezy. |
| 17:11.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell codepython777 about cron-apt |
| 17:12.06 | abrotman | codepython777: is it a server or a workstaiton ? |
| 17:12.10 | somiaj | codepython777: I was just double checking, it could be very bad to do automatic updates on testing/unstable. (: |
| 17:12.33 | codepython777 | wheezy is stable, right? |
| 17:12.36 | somiaj | also make sure you don't run untrusted sources, that could cause unexpected issues. (my suggestion) |
| 17:12.39 | somiaj | correct |
| 17:12.50 | Some_Person | abrotman: Since all you want is lspci, it shouldn't hurt for me to just get X running |
| 17:13.01 | sacredchao | I am trying to install Debian 7.1.0 amd64 from a netinst image... I used Unetbootin to make a bootable USB stick from my 64GB stick with ext4 partition |
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| 17:13.15 | sacredchao | It boots fine, but it always fails at "Detect and mount CD_ROM step |
| 17:13.35 | mumpitzel | !unetbootin |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 17:13.37 | codepython777 | the problem i will have is that i'm running nginx on this box, and an update will at some point break for sure if done automatically |
| 17:13.41 | codepython777 | any ideas how to avoid this? |
| 17:13.46 | mumpitzel | sacredchao: use something else than unetbootin |
| 17:13.52 | mumpitzel | codepython777: use debian repos only |
| 17:14.01 | sacredchao | mumpitzel: Such as? |
| 17:14.15 | mumpitzel | sacredchao: what OS do you use to create the usb install medium? |
| 17:14.27 | abrotman | sacredchao: why are you using unetbootin? are you usinbg linux now? |
| 17:14.30 | sacredchao | Debian ^_^ |
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| 17:14.42 | codepython777 | mumpitzel: even then, when nginx updates, it asks for input about the config files, overwrite etc? |
| 17:14.44 | sacredchao | It's just easy and it has always worked. |
| 17:14.54 | jcbjoe | thank abrotman i will reboot and look at it |
| 17:15.00 | abrotman | sacredchao: oddly, it doesn't |
| 17:15.08 | abrotman | sacredchao: win32diskimager |
| 17:15.15 | abrotman | Assuming you're doing it from windows |
| 17:15.34 | sacredchao | abrotman: I am doing it from Debian on another machine. |
| 17:15.40 | Some_Person | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/2452264 |
| 17:15.43 | abrotman | sacredchao: so do it like the docs tell you |
| 17:15.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sacredchao about usb install |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | Some_Person: and you've used the script in the wiki to make sure it's supported? |
| 17:16.31 | mumpitzel | sacredchao: cp, cat, dd. all of them can create your usb stick easily with a single command |
| 17:16.35 | Some_Person | aboman: What script in the wiki? |
| 17:16.43 | Some_Person | abrotman: ^ |
| 17:16.50 | sacredchao | Ah wow... so just dd blah.iso /dev/sdb |
| 17:16.56 | sacredchao | assuming sdb is the stick |
| 17:17.02 | sacredchao | THen mustI run "sync" ? |
| 17:17.18 | mumpitzel | sacredchao: cp blah.iso /dev/sdb dd uses "if=blah.iso...." |
| 17:17.30 | mumpitzel | sacredchao: unmount the stick before you write to it with cp or dd |
| 17:17.57 | abrotman | Some_Person: so you haven't even read the wiki> |
| 17:18.32 | Some_Person | abrotman: I've read the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers page, but I don't see a script like that |
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| 17:18.52 | sacredchao | mumpitzel: Duh, I knew that about dd syntax. Thanks |
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| 17:19.25 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: when you install 304.x, can you modprobe the nvidia.ko module? |
| 17:19.32 | abrotman | Some_Person: please don't make me read the wiki page for you |
| 17:19.44 | blubberdiblub | where's the recommended place to put local (cacert-signed) server ssl certificates (for web server, mail server, etc.) and associated key files? /etc/ssl/certs and /etc/ssl/private, respectively? /etc/ssl/? /etc/ssl/localcerts/? both cert and key into the same directory or separate directories? what's the preferred extension - .crt or .pem? |
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| 17:20.36 | Some_Person | abrotman: I'm looking at it right now and don't see this script you're referring to |
| 17:20.37 | mumpitzel | abrotman: I don't see a script mentioned on this wiki page myself. just looked |
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| 17:20.47 | JyZyXEL | where do users crontabs go on debian? ones made with crontab -e? |
| 17:21.09 | blubberdiblub | JyZyXEL, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 17:21.15 | Walex | blubberdiblub: it does not make a lot of difference. In theory if the local certs are installed via '.deb' with the other certs, else under '/usr/local/' |
| 17:21.20 | olz_ | Die MAC users سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ |
| 17:21.27 | olz_ | سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ |
| 17:21.29 | olz_ | Ha ! |
| 17:21.32 | olz_ | Only Linux :D |
| 17:21.53 | olz_ | Love IT !:D |
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| 17:22.19 | Walex | blubberdiblub: I personally would keep certs and keys separate, and I use '.pub.pem' and '.key.pem' extensions |
| 17:22.19 | somiaj | codepython777: the debian wheezy versions should not change. The only updates should be security and they won't require config file changes. |
| 17:22.47 | somiaj | codepython777: debian stable does this for this very reason. It backports security issues to the version in stable. |
| 17:22.51 | jcbjoe | here is my error message that i need to be looked at http://paste.debian.net/40761/ im trying to mount /dev/sda4 autmoatically its a windows parition |
| 17:23.07 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: That produced the same error IIRC (do you want me to install the 304.x driver again?) |
| 17:23.08 | blubberdiblub | Walex, well, they're custom certificates, so not from a package. is /usr/local/ better than /etc/ssl/ in that case for any particular reason? |
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| 17:23.25 | Walex | feels sick realizing that he used the term "extension" to describe a suffix... |
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| 17:24.13 | Walex | blubberdiblub: in theory non-packaged files should all go under '/usr/local/', but arguably certificates could be considered configuration files. |
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| 17:24.27 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: what error? |
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| 17:24.52 | Walex | blubberdiblub: I hope you also realize that some applications suggest or nearly require certificates to be in other places... |
| 17:24.55 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': No such device |
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| 17:25.59 | blubberdiblub | Walex, yes, that was my association. they're pretty much configuration files for me. well, i don't use any applications that expect them in hardcoded directories, as far as i can tell |
| 17:26.13 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: and the nvidia.ko file exists? you checked with e.g. modinfo? |
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| 17:26.43 | jcbjoe | i think i found the fix |
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| 17:26.54 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: Yeah, it exists |
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| 17:27.14 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: and what version does modinfo report? |
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| 17:27.30 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: btw, you were right, 6100 is still supported by 304.x according to nvidia.com |
| 17:27.51 | Some_Person | mumpitzel: http://pastebin.ca/2452271 (I still have the older driver installed; do you want me to install 304.x again?) |
| 17:27.55 | blubberdiblub | Walex, services actually, rather than end user applications, if that matters |
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| 17:29.06 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: according to nvidia,you should use the nvidia-kernel-dkms 304.xx one |
| 17:29.18 | Some_Person | That's what I figured. I'll go ahead and install it again |
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| 17:29.58 | Some_Person | I'm wondering if the problem here is that nouveau is not being blacklisted properly |
| 17:30.14 | Some_Person | because if I remove the xorg.conf it loads with nouveau |
| 17:31.07 | mumpitzel | Some_Person: "nomodeset" as a kernel parameter and reboot? |
| 17:31.28 | abrotman | did you blacklist nouveau? |
| 17:32.07 | Some_Person | abrotman: The wiki says that nvidia-kernel-common should do that automatically |
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| 17:34.31 | Some_Person | Should I have mentioned that I use plymouth? Not sure if that makes a difference |
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| 17:36.12 | Some_Person | Argh, it does make a difference. It's loading nouveau because I have it set in /etc/initramfs-tools! |
| 17:36.16 | Cylta | Hi. is there any channel about linux kernel? I have some very low-level questions related to kernel. |
| 17:36.24 | Some_Person | */etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 17:38.44 | zmode | Cylta: there's #kernel-newbies on oftc |
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| 17:40.22 | Cylta | zmode: under low-level I mean close to hardware question =) about realtime. |
| 17:40.50 | zmode | Cylta: okay. |
| 17:40.54 | crised | Has anyone ported Debian to i.MX 28, arm 9 freescale SoC? |
| 17:41.04 | Some_Person | Well, that fixed it! But plymouth now shows up in some ugly text mode |
| 17:41.26 | Cylta | oh! thanks for the #kernel |
| 17:43.30 | MiksterX | Hello all! Being a Linux newbie I'm looking for a way to update an application (gphoto2) to a newer version (2.5.2). With 'apt-get' the latest version is 2.4.1. I found a script that compiles the newer version but I keep on getting compilation errors. Is there a way to update without compiling? Thanks in advance. |
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| 17:44.54 | abrotman | MiksterX: first question will be "why?" |
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| 17:45.46 | MiksterX | Hello abrotman - well because the newer version got bugs fixed that I run into |
| 17:46.24 | leoleo11 | what could be the reason the videos i watch in my laptop are choppy' |
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| 17:46.32 | leoleo11 | ? |
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| 17:46.46 | abrotman | leoleo11: they're flash |
| 17:46.56 | allan_wind | I need to migrate Debian to a new drive (both old and new drive are online on my computer). What's the easiest way to do that? Will tar/cpio create special devices? Obviously, I need to grub the new disk |
| 17:47.20 | allan_wind | leoleo11: is your cpu pegged? |
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| 17:47.36 | abrotman | MiksterX: doesn't your camera show up as a USB drive? |
| 17:47.44 | leoleo11 | allan_wind: how do i know? |
| 17:48.00 | allan_wind | leoleo11: top for instance |
| 17:48.47 | leoleo11 | allan_wind: it seems gnash is using 93% |
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| 17:49.32 | allan_wind | leoleo11: have you tried the adobe flash player? It may be more efficient |
| 17:49.47 | leoleo11 | its propietary |
| 17:49.57 | leoleo11 | i dont want to use propietary software |
| 17:50.06 | leoleo11 | will html5 be better or something else? |
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| 17:51.00 | abrotman | leoleo11: yes, html5 will be better if your video site supports it |
| 17:51.05 | fruitFly | can i install everything on debian that i can install on linux mint? how much more difficult is it? what do you think of arch linux? |
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| 17:51.16 | allan_wind | leoleo11: well, that's your choice. If your content is available in other formats like wmv or mpeg4 then you can use vlc instead |
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| 17:51.21 | fruitFly | i'm trying to pick, mint, debian or arch |
| 17:51.33 | abrotman | fruitFly: no, roughly the same, we can't ocmment on Arch |
| 17:51.33 | leoleo11 | its youtube |
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| 17:51.58 | MiksterX | abrotman: no thatś not the problem, the camera (7d) ´connects´ and gphoto executes the first command but with the second command gphoto says it will not connect to the camera anymore. The developer of gphoto (Marcus) wrote that the bug got solved in version 2.5.2 |
| 17:52.03 | allan_wind | leoleo11: you can configure youtube to give you video in a different non-flash format I believe |
| 17:52.11 | leoleo11 | i dont have vlc is there another way? |
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| 17:52.21 | abrotman | leoleo11: use html5 |
| 17:52.23 | ghostrider_ | fruitFly: I had mint until a couple of days ago |
| 17:52.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MiksterX about uupdate |
| 17:52.53 | ghostrider_ | here's why i switched: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=140452 |
| 17:52.59 | abrotman | fruitFly: Wheezy does not have MATE or Cinnamon |
| 17:53.05 | ghostrider_ | i had debian for a long time |
| 17:53.10 | ghostrider_ | and then went over to ubuntu |
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| 17:53.14 | ghostrider_ | and then to mint |
| 17:53.19 | ghostrider_ | and mint was the worst for my setup |
| 17:53.23 | ghostrider_ | it might work great for many people |
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| 17:53.29 | ghostrider_ | but for me it didn't |
| 17:53.33 | allan_wind | leoleo11: apt-get install vlc, and newer version of firefox (which may not yet be in Debian) has mpeg4 support which is what you call html5 |
| 17:53.36 | ghostrider_ | overheating ... as described above. |
| 17:54.00 | MiksterX | abrotman: Thank you! |
| 17:54.11 | abrotman | allan_wind: uhm, he doesn't need "mpeg4" support for html5 |
| 17:54.41 | leoleo11 | allan_wind: wow html5 is much better |
| 17:54.47 | allan_wind | abrotman: he wants to use youtube without flash |
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| 17:54.59 | abrotman | allan_wind: i can read, you're still wrong |
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| 17:55.18 | ghostrider_ | the latest debian 7.1 is just sugar sweet |
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| 17:57.11 | fruitFly | ghostrider_: thanks |
| 17:57.27 | sacredchao | I am trying to enable LZO compression for my partition before I install Debian onto it, but when I try to remount it with -o remount.compress=lzo on the terminal it said "failed: Invalid argument" |
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| 17:57.41 | sacredchao | Do I have to enable some module I didn't enable earlier in the d-i process? |
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| 17:59.23 | sacredchao | Also mkfs.btrfs completely fails with "error while loading shared libraries: liblzo2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or drectory" |
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| 18:01.06 | allan_wind | sacredchao: did you compile your own kernel? I have this one module with the stock 3.2.0-4 kernel: kernel/crypto/lzo.ko |
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| 18:01.33 | sacredchao | allan_wind: I was using testing netinst |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | allan_wind: he's in the installer ... |
| 18:01.44 | sacredchao | I guess I should try 7.1.0 netinst |
| 18:01.53 | abrotman | sacredchao: you sohuld use the stable netinst .. the testing netinst can be in various states of broken |
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| 18:02.11 | sacredchao | Copying the 7.1.0 netinst to USB now :P |
| 18:02.28 | kyze | anyone got an idea why i cant install 64bit debian, but 32 works fine ? on a g1610 and msi-motherboard :( |
| 18:02.46 | allan_wind | kyze: do you have 64 bit cpu? |
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| 18:03.18 | allan_wind | kyze: yeah, I guess g1610 is 64 bit heh |
| 18:03.22 | kyze | according to intel the g1610 is |
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| 18:03.29 | ghostrider_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.44 | ghostrider_ | sacredchao: i had to manually fix this |
| 18:04.04 | allan_wind | kyze: what happens when you try to install the 64 bit version? |
| 18:04.10 | kyze | allan_wind ive tried hours installing 64bit yesterday and it failed again; just decided lets try 32bit and it seems to run the install fine |
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| 18:04.46 | kyze | allan_wind i had different errors mostly debootstrap failing with code 1 |
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| 18:05.11 | kyze | would i be able to use more than 4gb of ram in a 32bit installation somehow ? |
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| 18:05.48 | fruitFly | so anything i can install on mint i can install on debian and have more stability/ why would anyone install mint over debian? |
| 18:06.15 | ghostrider_ | mint is a bit more userfriendly |
| 18:06.19 | allan_wind | kyze: sorry, don't know |
| 18:06.40 | ghostrider_ | fruitFly: mint is a bit rounder and smoother overall |
| 18:07.03 | fruitFly | ghostrider_: wat u mean smoother? how is it more user friendly? |
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| 18:07.36 | abrotman | fruitFly: i already answered you |
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| 18:08.01 | ghostrider_ | fruitFly: it has a nicer boot screen, the system configuration is a bit cleaner, it's a bit lighter on the colors, these sort of things. |
| 18:08.13 | abrotman | this isn't a Debian vs Foo channel .. |
| 18:08.13 | fruitFly | abrotman: i thought u just said stuff is about as easy to install |
| 18:08.18 | ghostrider_ | fruitFly: it's better suited for my parents, let's put it that way |
| 18:08.25 | abrotman | fruitFly: you asked three questions, I ansewred three questions .. go back and read |
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| 18:09.21 | ghostrider_ | fruitFly: debian is a bit newer, the latest 7.1 breaks with some common user interface paradigms |
| 18:09.34 | ghostrider_ | fruitFly: for example, no task bar by default |
| 18:09.34 | fruitFly | abrotman: and u said it doesnt have mate or cinn... which i dont particularly care about. but would someone use mint just because of mate or cinn |
| 18:09.57 | abrotman | fruitFly: yes |
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| 18:10.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fruitFly about u |
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| 18:10.48 | MiksterX | dpkg: teel me about uupdate |
| 18:10.48 | dpkg | MiksterX: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:11.06 | MiksterX | dpkg: tell me about uupdate |
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| 18:11.41 | MiksterX | dpkg: tell MiksterX about uupdate |
| 18:11.50 | abrotman | MiksterX: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 18:12.07 | abrotman | instead of flooding the channel |
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| 18:13.30 | C00re | i accidently msg'd dpk once ;) "you are probably looking for the debian's dpkG :)" |
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| 18:19.27 | babilen | heh :) |
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| 18:38.32 | naptastic | How do I get spellcheck to suggest "Gödel" when I type "Godel"? |
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| 18:40.48 | asherawelan | I am trying to preseed an unattended install, and for some reason my pressed recipe isn't populating this as expected and I'm getting this screen - can someone please advise me what to change? http://d.pr/i/31RD http://d.pr/n/iJtp |
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| 18:49.23 | blubberdiblub | asherawelan, try "d-i mirror/country string UK" or "d-i mirror/country string manual", also see http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt |
| 18:49.33 | JmZ | mm any idea of a pam module exists to execute an external command? |
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| 18:49.48 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: yeah, i've tried both string and select… will try manual... |
| 18:50.05 | JmZ | for custom authentication, so it'd need to somehow pass the entered password over also |
| 18:50.32 | blubberdiblub | asherawelan, but you're using "mirror/http/countries". it's "mirror/country". singular and without http |
| 18:51.40 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: will try that! |
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| 18:54.27 | TheAvatar | what is the least resource demanding way of getting the current server load contiually? 'uptime', or? |
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| 18:55.25 | austeregrim | TheAvatar, watch cat /proc/loadavg |
| 18:55.26 | austeregrim | ? |
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| 18:55.39 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: ok, change to now look like this… what do you think now? |
| 18:55.40 | asherawelan | http://d.pr/n/MiAF |
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| 18:56.45 | blubberdiblub | asherawelan, looks good to me. have you tried it? |
| 18:56.47 | TheAvatar | austeregrim, hm ye, that could be a way - would it matter 'cat' is 12 times bigger in filesize, or would it usually be cached, or? |
| 18:57.06 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: going to compile the iso now and see if it works… will take me 15 ins or so |
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| 18:57.58 | austeregrim | TheAvatar, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to accomplish... that's probably the least intensive way, without writing your own program |
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| 18:58.35 | TheAvatar | austeregrim, I am going to call it like every 5th second or so, and for that reason, I can as well go for the least intensive way |
| 18:58.43 | blubberdiblub | asherawelan, you could try it in a VM. if you already have libvirt and virt-install installed, it would be particularly easy, since then you wouldn't even need to build an iso |
| 19:00.36 | TheAvatar | I know 48kb (cat file size) isn't that much, but I need it for monitoring a server that randomly has a very high load, and e.g. 'ps' can take multiple seconds to run and same with other commands, so I would prefer using "the best method" |
| 19:00.56 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: i use virtuabox… and debians lb config, build, etc |
| 19:02.00 | austeregrim | TheAvatar, I think you're trying to accomplish something that is probably pointless... reducing memory usage to save processing time? |
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| 19:03.14 | abrotman | TheAvatar: how are you going to call it every five seconds? |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | TheAvatar: and why? |
| 19:03.39 | austeregrim | aside from writing your own program... watch cat /proc/loadavg... is going to be the least intrusive and resource intensive method. |
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| 19:04.33 | austeregrim | from an os point of view |
| 19:04.39 | e98 | I just got an email from alioth but cannot figure out the user id I had set up when registering. there's no way to use the email address for resetting the password. any idea? |
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| 19:04.58 | TheAvatar | abrotman, I am not sure yet, and I am not sure if it is only processing time or also disk io or what it is - I just don't want to put any unnecessary load on the server, so I'll go with the 'watch cat' approach |
| 19:05.15 | TheAvatar | thanks for your inputs both of you |
| 19:05.27 | abrotman | TheAvatar: uhm .. why would you want it every five seconds if you don't know why? |
| 19:05.33 | MrBar | update dialogs randomly popup and ask for password, how to disable this? |
| 19:06.01 | TheAvatar | abrotman, oh - I only replied to your "how" part. Why is to see if I can find out what causes the load, but I need to know when I need to look at the server |
| 19:06.25 | TheAvatar | and since the load always jumps quite high when "it is bad", load is an easy way for me to monitor when it needs human attention |
| 19:06.32 | TheAvatar | so it is only a temporary solution |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | TheAvatar: why not run a batch of 'top' sorted by cpu suage instead ? |
| 19:07.34 | austeregrim | TheAvatar, nice -5 top |
| 19:07.38 | austeregrim | to give it priority |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | he's trying to not induce load |
| 19:08.01 | austeregrim | right... but he doesn't know what's causing the load |
| 19:08.27 | austeregrim | so until you catch whats causing the load, you have to give something to watch the priority |
| 19:09.14 | abrotman | i meant your renicing |
| 19:09.47 | austeregrim | but if what ever is causing the load is preventing top from giving updated information |
| 19:09.55 | abrotman | TheAvatar: but if you need a trigger alarm, look at something like nagios |
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| 19:10.14 | abrotman | gives up trying to understand austeregrim |
| 19:10.15 | austeregrim | you need to give top the preference to see |
| 19:10.16 | UserError | Is there a way to forward apt to dpkg |
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| 19:10.24 | abrotman | UserError: eh, for what? |
| 19:10.29 | UserError | since apt-get has horrible dependencies optimizations |
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| 19:10.32 | UserError | i can't ignore them |
| 19:10.35 | UserError | from the options i see |
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| 19:10.42 | UserError | i can with dpkg |
| 19:10.45 | abrotman | UserError: because tehy're dependencies |
| 19:10.47 | UserError | no |
| 19:10.50 | UserError | they aren't |
| 19:10.52 | TheAvatar | I need it for triggering an alarm, so top is not gonna help me, as I would need to look at it when it happens |
| 19:10.55 | abrotman | and if you try to ignore them, apt will be broken |
| 19:10.56 | UserError | i don't need ATI drivers |
| 19:10.57 | UserError | on intel |
| 19:11.03 | UserError | period |
| 19:11.10 | UserError | i don't need useless X apps |
| 19:11.11 | TheAvatar | so I got the info I needed, and I didn't know about the proc/loadavg |
| 19:11.13 | UserError | period |
| 19:11.15 | abrotman | UserError: a) Fix your enter key b) we already told you the correct answer |
| 19:11.32 | UserError | it doesn't break apt |
| 19:11.33 | julius_ | hi |
| 19:11.36 | austeregrim | TheAvatar, /proc/loadavg is the file that has the loadavg data |
| 19:11.37 | UserError | i've done it manually before |
| 19:11.42 | abrotman | okay, do it again |
| 19:11.59 | UserError | what i'm asking is if there is an easy way apt can forward to dpkg from a url |
| 19:12.01 | abrotman | TheAvatar: right, so you can use nagios to send you an email when system load reaches a certain point |
| 19:12.03 | UserError | err package list |
| 19:12.08 | abrotman | UserError: you've done it before, you should know |
| 19:12.14 | LittleCreature | UserError: somehow i did find you can go back an uninstall xorg-x11-drv-foo for drivers you dont need after the fact |
| 19:12.17 | UserError | yes, with a file downloaded already |
| 19:12.31 | UserError | little, the intel drivers require another package that contains |
| 19:12.35 | UserError | those other drivers |
| 19:12.42 | abrotman | UserError: FIX YOUR ENTER KEY |
| 19:12.45 | UserError | but they aren't actually needed |
| 19:12.57 | LittleCreature | UserError: i know |
| 19:12.58 | TheAvatar | abrotman, that could be a way - I do know nagios |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | UserError: Enter is not a subsitute for punctuation |
| 19:13.06 | TheAvatar | thanks |
| 19:13.14 | LittleCreature | but you can go back and uninstall (apt-get purge) those driver packages after they are installed |
| 19:13.21 | LittleCreature | and it wont uninstall xorg-x11-drv-intel |
| 19:13.27 | UserError | but it will uninstall |
| 19:13.28 | UserError | the meta |
| 19:13.32 | UserError | and other deps |
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| 19:13.36 | austeregrim | lol |
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| 19:13.40 | LittleCreature | and then you unistall them |
| 19:13.48 | LittleCreature | well you cant get rid of the meta package i dont think |
| 19:13.57 | LittleCreature | but you can get rid of the other deps |
| 19:14.09 | abrotman | UserError: Enter is not a substitute for punctuation, please work on your communication problems. It makes it incredibly hard to have a conversation with you. |
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| 19:14.28 | abrotman | (and floods the channel) |
| 19:15.11 | abrotman | UserError: You were already told to use the 'xorg' package, that is the Debian recommendation. If you believe you know better, please figure it out and document it. |
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| 19:19.42 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: same sticking point… no change… I'll post you my whole pressed… http://d.pr/n/Dg5Q |
| 19:20.33 | Brigo | TheAvatar: try collectd |
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| 19:23.03 | Brigo | abrotman: ¿nagios? ¡icinga! :-) |
| 19:24.23 | abrotman | Brigo: more people are familiar with it .. settle down |
| 19:24.30 | blubberdiblub | asherawelan, have you tried "d-i mirror/protocol string http" instead of "d-i mirror/protocol select http"? also, leaving that line out completely should work, too. it usually defaults to http and doesn't ask |
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| 19:25.03 | Brigo | they are very similar. |
| 19:26.33 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: trying that now... |
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| 19:28.08 | jcbjoe | hey all .. i don't have a swap im going to make a swapfile .. is it still required a swapfile be 2x your ram ? |
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| 19:28.19 | sacredchao | How can I view the list of packages installed when I select "Standard system utilities" in d-i ? |
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| 19:29.33 | austeregrim | jcbjoe, how much ram do you have? |
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| 19:30.23 | abrotman | jcbjoe: no |
| 19:30.35 | austeregrim | personally, if you've got tonnes of ram, that you're not using nearly as much... you don't need a swap file |
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| 19:30.52 | austeregrim | swapfile is meant for a "holy crap, I've ran out of ram, I need some place to put this!" |
| 19:31.30 | jcbjoe | i think i have 2 gigs of ram |
| 19:32.07 | abrotman | jcbjoe: you don't need a 4GB swap file .. but you probably want a little, and if you intend to use Suspend, it should be 2GB at least |
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| 19:32.26 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 19:33.01 | jcbjoe | 1024*2 ? |
| 19:33.16 | abrotman | are you asking for the answer? |
| 19:33.38 | jcbjoe | sorry about that do i do 1024*2 to get 2 gigs ? |
| 19:34.00 | austeregrim | jcbjoe, he means at least the same bits as you have for ram |
| 19:34.19 | austeregrim | so it has some place to put the ram if you enter suspend |
| 19:34.28 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 19:35.05 | austeregrim | so if you have 2049 mb of ram... 1024x2 won't be enough. |
| 19:35.14 | jcbjoe | k |
| 19:35.22 | austeregrim | as a poor and exagerated example |
| 19:35.33 | jcbjoe | i need to reboot to get correct about but /proc/meminfo shows MemTotal: 3606136 kB |
| 19:35.53 | abrotman | that's not 2GB ? |
| 19:36.11 | jcbjoe | no im showing you what meminfo shows about how much ram i have |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | i know .. |
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| 19:36.34 | abrotman | jcbjoe: why do you think you have 2GB RAM ? |
| 19:36.41 | blubberdiblub | it's more like 4 GB |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | jcbjoe: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 19:36.49 | jcbjoe | don't know |
| 19:37.05 | austeregrim | this is 4 MemTotal: 4055640 kB |
| 19:37.17 | jcbjoe | abrotman: 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:37.32 | abrotman | jcbjoe: what is "free -m" (the first line) |
| 19:38.12 | jcbjoe | Mem: 3521 1673 1847 0 63 850 |
| 19:38.22 | abrotman | you have a lot more than 2GB |
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| 19:39.28 | austeregrim | 3.5gb = 3670016kb |
| 19:39.35 | jcbjoe | aw |
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| 19:40.07 | jcbjoe | austeregrim: i just read man free freem -k kilo free -m megabyte |
| 19:40.08 | jcbjoe | thanks all |
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| 19:40.26 | abrotman | seems like 3.5GB minus RAM used for onboard video |
| 19:40.37 | austeregrim | agreed |
| 19:40.49 | fruitFly | abrotman: so anything i can install on ubuntu or mint can eb installed on debian? like the same latest skype, netflix etc? it just takes a couple commands to dkgp to install it? it's just that debian isn't packed with the latest versions for stabilITY? |
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| 19:41.24 | abrotman | fruitFly: netflix isn't a native software package on any Linux, it's all done through emulation. I don't use Skype. |
| 19:41.54 | fruitFly | let me rephrase: debian packae manager only comes with stable tested software but anything latest version can be installed on i?t |
| 19:42.11 | abrotman | fruitFly: you can do anything you want, we can't stop you, it may not be recommended |
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| 19:43.04 | Benkinooby | um, are you sure about the swap size? i think i read somewhere that the 2*ram is obsolete |
| 19:43.08 | Benkinooby | googles for it |
| 19:43.26 | abrotman | Benkinooby: it is .. no one said that .. pay attention |
| 19:43.40 | fruitFly | abrotman: i'm trying to understand the difference in apps between debian and mint/ubuntu? what can't be installed on debian/not recommended versus on mint. i want the stability but i may want to download some other apps in the future, skype, google earth etc. |
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| 19:44.03 | abrotman | fruitFly: so try it in a VM and test for yourself |
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| 19:44.25 | jcbjoe | austeregrim: so if i have 3.5gigs of ram how big should swap be ? |
| 19:44.25 | fruitFly | Benkinooby: ok thanks |
| 19:44.25 | abrotman | or be bold and just do it |
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| 19:44.39 | jcbjoe | or abrotman |
| 19:44.40 | Some_Person | Is it possible for me to embed ffplay into a web browser? |
| 19:44.41 | abrotman | jcbjoe: 3.6GB if you wan tto use suspend |
| 19:44.44 | asherawelan | blubberdiblub: ok, nope - still the same |
| 19:44.48 | fruitFly | jcbjoe: i'd say 2-4 GB |
| 19:44.56 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 19:44.58 | blubberdiblub | asherawelan, then i don't know, sorry |
| 19:45.05 | austeregrim | jcbjoe, you probably don't need swap... but 3.6gb if you want to suspend... give it a round number 4... for cleanlyness |
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| 19:45.17 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 19:45.17 | fruitFly | jcbjoe: half to full RAM* |
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| 19:45.27 | abrotman | jcbjoe: if you have no interest in using suspend, 2GB is more than enough |
| 19:45.33 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 19:45.39 | abrotman | oh, unless your laptop runs Oracle :) |
| 19:45.43 | jcbjoe | i close my laptop all th etime |
| 19:45.49 | jcbjoe | the time* |
| 19:45.56 | abrotman | that doesn't mean it's suspend |
| 19:46.01 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: there are some calcualtions online on how much swap space is required |
| 19:46.06 | austeregrim | jcbjoe, again, just remember swap is there for when a software goes "oh shit, I need ram space, and you don't have enough." |
| 19:46.06 | Benkinooby | it is importat to know how old(!) thoses calcs are - conditisons have changed a lot ;) |
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| 19:47.07 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: or use a swapfile :) |
| 19:47.14 | abrotman | he is .. jesus .. pay attention |
| 19:47.47 | Benkinooby | shuts up |
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| 19:51.50 | jcbjoe | i need to clean out space |
| 19:52.05 | jcbjoe | rootfs 40G 38G 96K 100% / |
| 19:52.32 | jcbjoe | probably a lot of .deb files |
| 19:52.47 | mumpitzel | 50GB of what? not even apt archive could take that much |
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| 19:52.58 | fruitFly | what are some of the differences between the deb desktops? what's your favorite and why? |
| 19:53.03 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: no matter who tells you, never do rm -rf / ;) |
| 19:53.10 | jcbjoe | lol Benkinooby |
| 19:53.23 | jcbjoe | Benkinooby: i actually did that years ago to see if it worked |
| 19:53.25 | jcbjoe | :D |
| 19:53.31 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: did it? |
| 19:53.42 | jcbjoe | for giggles |
| 19:53.49 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: use du -sh to get a summary on disk usage |
| 19:53.49 | jcbjoe | yea its funny cause when you do it .. nothing looks wrong |
| 19:53.54 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: or use baobab |
| 19:53.55 | jcbjoe | you do ls and its like command not found |
| 19:53.58 | jcbjoe | :P |
| 19:54.05 | Benkinooby | Oo |
| 19:54.33 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: so it didn't work? |
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| 19:55.02 | Benkinooby | hm... i'll try that on a vm some day |
| 19:55.13 | abrotman | could we not discuss it? |
| 19:55.16 | jcbjoe | Benkinooby: oh it did .. so after there was no ls i tried other commands .. when it didn't seem like it worked i rebooted and thats where it worked / no OS or something |
| 19:55.21 | jcbjoe | sorry about that |
| 19:55.46 | Benkinooby | ok |
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| 19:57.59 | Benkinooby | one question: if i use debian testing - will it always stay testing. or my debian then get stable at the time it transistions? |
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| 19:58.59 | Benkinooby | so it there some way to make a decision when testing becomes stable, like: yeah, wanna be stable too or no, will stay testing? |
| 19:59.06 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: We recommend you use the release name. It will become officially stable when that version is released. |
| 19:59.58 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: If you use "testing" instead, then after the release I believe the developers roll a snapshot of sid into testing, change the names and such, and get to work breaking things. |
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| 20:00.16 | abrotman | no .. they do not roll a snapshot in |
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| 20:00.29 | jhutchins | abrotman: Do they do it package by package then? |
| 20:00.37 | abrotman | how long have you been here? |
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| 20:01.24 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: oh lol. i think today you have to join my club of people who should shut up ;) |
| 20:01.47 | babilen | to not insult the elders! |
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| 20:02.01 | jhutchins | abrotman: Long enough to know that you're better at telling me I'm wrong than at giving people the correct information instead. |
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| 20:02.42 | abrotman | right .. long enough to know you're frequently wrong |
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| 20:03.50 | fruitFly | what are your thoughts on kde vs gnome? |
| 20:03.54 | Benkinooby | abrotman: well, so what do they do? - just move sid to testing and that's it? |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | fruitFly: try them both, decide for yourself |
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| 20:04.33 | Benkinooby | fruitFly: only way to really find out is to give each some days |
| 20:04.35 | abrotman | Benkinooby: i'll let jhutchins tell you, he is always right ... |
| 20:04.46 | abrotman | and the rest of us are idiots by comparison |
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| 20:04.59 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.34 | Benkinooby | mumpitzel: ok |
| 20:05.36 | jcbjoe | Benkinooby: thanks for that tool |
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| 20:05.54 | fruitFly | i am, just wondering your opinions before i start. Benkinooby abrotman AND is xfce lighter on resources compared to lxde? hom much so? and xfce compared to kde? i'm gonna try them |
| 20:06.08 | abrotman | fruitFly: lxde would be hte lightest of the four you've mentioned |
| 20:06.31 | babilen | Benkinooby: What happens is essentially that the freeze is being lifted. That means that all packages resume their normal transitioning behaviour from unstable to testing. Testing starts out as a copy of the just released stable, but changes rapidly as a bunch of packages probably have been uploaded by eager maintainers during the freeze. |
| 20:06.31 | abrotman | fruitFly: it's really better to try them and decide for yourself. Lightest does not imply best. |
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| 20:06.52 | fruitFly | is gnome closed source and more buggy then kde? is kde more widgets and customizability? |
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| 20:06.55 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 20:07.06 | abrotman | fruitFly: try them all and decide for yourself |
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| 20:07.11 | babilen | fruitFly: You don't want to use a desktop environment at all, but a lightweight window manager such as awesomewm, fluxbox or openbox. |
| 20:07.14 | xand | gnome is not closed source. |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | so much misinformation in here |
| 20:07.36 | fruitFly | abrotman: ok sorry, thanks |
| 20:07.44 | babilen | fruitFly: (just to add even more options; we can't tell you what you like and want. try the alternatives and make up your own mind) |
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| 20:07.48 | fruitFly | babilen: how to not use a desktop environment at al? |
| 20:07.54 | Benkinooby | babilen: so as a normal user i should try to avoid testing the first, lets say two months? |
| 20:08.18 | babilen | Benkinooby: Two months of you using Debian or the first two months after the release? |
| 20:08.34 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, you should avoid testing if you're running a production environemnt |
| 20:08.44 | fruitFly | babilen: what is debian without a desktop environment? |
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| 20:08.53 | austeregrim | fruitFly, a server? |
| 20:08.57 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: by not running it. you don't need a DE at all. a window manager is all you actually need |
| 20:09.00 | xand | fruitFly: most of my debian machines don't have X on |
| 20:09.01 | xand | so. |
| 20:09.04 | babilen | fruitFly: You simply install a window manager and start that in lieu of a desktop environment. But seriously, try the desktop environments (you can easily remove them if you don't like them) and figure out what you like. |
| 20:09.07 | Benkinooby | babilen: tow months after release |
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| 20:09.28 | fruitFly | babilen: aah ok :) |
| 20:09.40 | Benkinooby | babilen: you said testing is under heavy change after the release |
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| 20:09.53 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: hm, i heard that testing is ok for most desktop users |
| 20:09.55 | abrotman | Benkinooby: that depends on your skill set, there are a number of transitions |
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| 20:10.04 | abrotman | depends on your skill set and package set |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | Benkinooby: whomever told you that is generally wrong |
| 20:10.16 | babilen | fruitFly: Excuse me for confusing you further; A "desktop environment" is typically a collection of software that does *much* more than just display windows graphically, but might include a filemanager, an actual desktop, music players, ... (and so on) |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | Benkinooby: tracking testing is a huge gamble, a transition can do all sorts of interesting things |
| 20:10.40 | Benkinooby | abrotman: well, i'm looking to get away from ubuntu and debian looks like a logical step to be |
| 20:10.42 | Benkinooby | *me |
| 20:10.53 | fruitFly | babilen: thank you :), and a window manager is just rudimentary organization of app windows :P |
| 20:10.55 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, I would say for more advanced users... who can work out the issues that come up... but I'd point it towards those who are developers wanting to fix future issues |
| 20:11.00 | Benkinooby | abrotman: i used ubuntu for 3 years now and messed around with it a lot, usually i know how to find stuff in forums and alike |
| 20:11.02 | abrotman | Benkinooby: generally with 6-9 months leading up to a release are less rocky, and one can reasonable run it has a desktop |
| 20:11.04 | babilen | fruitFly: I simply wanted to point out that the options are diverse and varied and that most of the software is very mature and great to use .. it really boils down to personal style and requirements. |
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| 20:12.36 | Benkinooby | abrotman: ok, that was the info i wanted! |
| 20:12.40 | abrotman | Benkinooby: but that largely depends on your skill set .. |
| 20:12.49 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, but I would say if you were working in a production environment with something that the public or a work environment is using on a daily basis, don't use testing... get what you need working from stable |
| 20:12.51 | abrotman | Benkinooby: a DD might run 'unstable' on their desktop and deal with the bugs |
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| 20:13.12 | Benkinooby | dd? |
| 20:13.37 | abrotman | Benkinooby: Debian Developer |
| 20:13.43 | fruitFly | should i install debian on a usb or in a vm to test desktop environment and window managers? |
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| 20:14.02 | austeregrim | fruitFly, in a vm if you have the resources |
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| 20:14.24 | austeregrim | on a usb or dual boot if you dont |
| 20:14.29 | fruitFly | ok should i download virtual box or what i'm on win 7? |
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| 20:14.40 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: hm. i tested stable once. usually testing is closer to what i want than stable |
| 20:14.40 | austeregrim | I like virtualbox |
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| 20:14.58 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: but i understand your point |
| 20:15.11 | abrotman | Benkinooby: in a snapshot, yes .. it's not a "release" |
| 20:15.15 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: i have a testing right now i an vm to play with - it looks quite usable to me |
| 20:15.51 | jhutchins | .3 |
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| 20:16.19 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, if you're okay with using testing, then use testing. I can't stop you... but I would recommend if you're using it as a server, serving a public website, or something that you're working on... don't use testing... you don't know what would be released that will break everything and cost business and money |
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| 20:16.41 | babilen | Do *not* use testing on a server. |
| 20:16.42 | abrotman | besidse that testing has no security support? |
| 20:16.50 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: oh - i'm far from running servers ;) - all i want is a desktop system ;) |
| 20:16.57 | fruitFly | would anybody voice their opnion of arch linux? |
| 20:17.09 | Benkinooby | fruitFly: are you a linux newcomer? |
| 20:17.14 | abrotman | fruitFly: use ##linux for that please |
| 20:17.20 | abrotman | that is NOT ontopic here |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | or ask #archlinux |
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| 20:18.12 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, again, if you're okay with testing, I won't stop you. But you're putting yourself for updates that may break everything... or security holes... and expectations that you'll support yourself. |
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| 20:18.41 | austeregrim | which I would not recommend, unless you know what you're doing. |
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| 20:19.29 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: ok |
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| 20:19.41 | austeregrim | But I don't know how that would be different from installing software that you need from source... and supporting yourself in that regard too. |
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| 20:20.21 | abrotman | it's the same idea .. you have to pay attention to CVEs, etc and decide if they apply, patch/recompile accordingly |
| 20:20.55 | austeregrim | when you use stable releases, you're saying that you trust what the debian gods have accepted as usable, and leave yourself in those hands to do what you want/need. |
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| 20:21.55 | Some_Person | Why is there no mozplugger in wheezy? |
| 20:22.25 | abrotman | Some_Person: for what? |
| 20:22.32 | abrotman | judd: versions mozplugger |
| 20:22.33 | judd | Package: mozplugger on i386 -- squeeze: 1.14.1-1; jessie: 1.14.5-2; sid: 1.14.5-2 |
| 20:22.39 | Some_Person | See my point? |
| 20:22.49 | abrotman | i can see it's missing, what do you want it for? |
| 20:22.56 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: well, if use stable releases and tehn start to install newer versions of software i foil the point of stable |
| 20:23.05 | Some_Person | I want to try to embed ffplay in a browser |
| 20:23.18 | abrotman | Benkinooby: also see backports |
| 20:23.54 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, right, you no longer are considering yourself stable, and not accepting that stable is what you want... |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | Some_Person: isn't there an ffmpeg plugin for gstreamer and a gstreamer plugin for Iceweasel? |
| 20:24.46 | abrotman | isn't sure if that would do the same thing |
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| 20:24.53 | Benkinooby | abrotman: thank you! |
| 20:25.01 | austeregrim | I understand, there's software that you want to use, but anything outside of debian's stable packages, you're putting yourself in your own hands, and leaving the comforts of knowing that the packages have been tested and vetted by the debian gods. |
| 20:25.10 | Some_Person | abrotman: There's a totem plugin, but that pulls in all kinds of crap I don't want. I'm not aware of any other gstreamer plugins |
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| 20:26.17 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: well, what is the use of stable software, if it does not meet my requirements? last time that happended to me was with libre office |
| 20:26.18 | Some_Person | Why the heck would mozplugger be available for sid and jessie but not wheezy? |
| 20:26.32 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: but i get you point. |
| 20:27.02 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, the point is that we can trust that the software provided is stable and usable in a production environment. |
| 20:27.10 | austeregrim | and supported |
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| 20:27.37 | abrotman | Some_Person: because it's buggy? |
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| 20:28.03 | bernhard1 | babilen: are you there. would like to continue our conversation on updating squueze without dot.deb |
| 20:28.15 | bernhard1 | slaps babilen around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:29.07 | babilen | bernhard1: Don't do that please. |
| 20:29.20 | babilen | bernhard1: yeah, you disappeared :) |
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| 20:30.30 | bernhard1 | babilen: sorry.. yes had to go now i am back.. need to start the server first.. but i also have a question about our discussion. |
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| 20:31.47 | babilen | bernhard1: Please ask it -- I am kinda doing something else, but now that you summoned me I at least want to know why ;) |
| 20:32.31 | bernhard1 | balilen: yes one moment. |
| 20:32.52 | Benkinooby | babilen: get's summoned with trout? |
| 20:32.57 | bernhard1 | balilen: can i ask something private through a pm ? |
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| 20:33.32 | babilen | bernhard1: Two things: 1. You can tab-complete nicknames in here 2. I would prefer to keep it in the channel, but if you really want to ask me something private feel free to /msg me |
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| 20:41.13 | bernhard1 | babilen: send you a msg .. where do i paste info again ? |
| 20:41.36 | Benkinooby | !paste |
| 20:41.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:41.58 | babilen | bernhard1: I haven't received a message - and you can paste to http://paste.debian.net, http://bpaste.net or http://refheap.com |
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| 20:44.17 | babilen | bernhard1: it's okay, just ask your question in here .. ?! |
| 20:45.37 | babilen | What about http://docs.python.org/dev/library/concurrent.futures.html ? |
| 20:46.13 | babilen | ECHAN :) |
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| 20:50.09 | babilen | bernhard1: still alive? |
| 20:51.04 | babilen | bernhard1: Make up your mind and ask the channel, if I'm around I might answer. |
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| 20:53.50 | bernhard1 | babilen: just send you an pm can you receive that ? /msg says gives -> *babilen* this sends yo a private message ? but no response from you. |
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| 20:54.45 | babilen | bernhard1: Just ask the channel or register your nickname. (I could change that configuration though) |
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| 20:56.52 | bernhard1 | babilen: i i could message you privat for my privat question it would be better. anyway im still at the point of looking at the options to purge with aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'. But i need some guidance.. |
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| 21:02.09 | babilen | bernhard1: Okay, you should be able to /msg me ... but I do not have the time to walk you through this now. |
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| 21:02.59 | bernhard1 | babilen: -NickServ- bernhard1 is now registered to @hotmail.com, |
| 21:03.21 | babilen | yay! |
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| 21:05.29 | KamZou | Hi, i'd like to configure my command line language in french but dpkg-reconfigure locale (fr utf8) hasn't any (new) effect. Any help please ? |
| 21:06.25 | Benkinooby | KamZou: what effects are you hoping for? |
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| 21:06.51 | Benkinooby | KamZou: displaying french sybols, french keyboard, french man pages? |
| 21:06.56 | KamZou | Benkinooby i'm hoping to have french menu (ie : when i do apt-get install something) |
| 21:07.27 | KamZou | it keeps displaying Y/N to install or not a package here |
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| 21:08.51 | musca | KamZou: did you logoff + logon again? |
| 21:09.02 | KamZou | musca yes, even rebooted |
| 21:09.04 | musca | !locale |
| 21:09.05 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 21:09.23 | KamZou | musca i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and rebooted |
| 21:09.41 | abrotman | and set what to the default? |
| 21:09.52 | KamZou | to french_utf8 |
| 21:10.07 | abrotman | and what isn't displaying in french ? |
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| 21:10.31 | KamZou | aboman for instance the Y/N questions when i do an apt-get install or whatever |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | ah, for Debconf |
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| 21:10.41 | KamZou | or for manpages ... |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | KamZou: echo $LANG |
| 21:10.55 | Benkinooby | KamZou: did you also set export LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 21:11.01 | abrotman | Benkinooby: not spanish |
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| 21:11.15 | Benkinooby | abrotman: it was jsut an example |
| 21:11.34 | KamZou | http://pastebin.com/8nuKeNsS |
| 21:11.40 | Benkinooby | KamZou: here. this is why we are interested in $LANG https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage |
| 21:11.49 | KamZou | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
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| 21:12.28 | abrotman | and the output of "locale" (use a pastebin if you want to show us) |
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| 21:12.54 | KamZou | abrotman it's what i just did here |
| 21:12.56 | KamZou | http://pastebin.com/8nuKeNsS |
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| 21:14.01 | abrotman | KamZou: LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF8 dpkg-reconfigure -plow foo ? |
| 21:15.02 | Benkinooby | Warning! |
| 21:15.02 | Benkinooby | Using LC_ALL is strongly discouraged as it overrides everything. Please use it only when testing and never set it in a startup file. |
| 21:15.07 | Benkinooby | https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 21:15.39 | abrotman | yes ... |
| 21:15.40 | KamZou | abrotman i did for the test but : LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF8 isn't resolving |
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| 21:15.45 | Benkinooby | KamZou: so don't forget to unset LC_ALL later... |
| 21:15.51 | KamZou | yes |
| 21:16.04 | abrotman | oh .. UTF-8 .. sorry |
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| 21:16.29 | KamZou | if i do : apt-config dump|grep Language i've french and also "en" |
| 21:16.37 | KamZou | maybe a way to look for ? |
| 21:17.03 | austeregrim | all this talk of languages, makes me want to get a klingon font, and translation going. :-/ |
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| 21:17.39 | Benkinooby | KamZou: um, maybe a language-pack has to be installed or something |
| 21:17.40 | abrotman | KamZou: LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 dpkg-reconfigure -plow bash |
| 21:17.57 | KamZou | i'm trying |
| 21:18.09 | Benkinooby | KamZou: but i think languagepacks are only for dictionaries and such... |
| 21:18.21 | KamZou | it tells : update-alternatives: using /usr/share/man/man7/bash-builtins.7.gz to provide /usr/share/man/man7/builtins.7.gz (builtins.7.gz) in auto mode |
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| 21:19.34 | luky | hi, i have a problem. Debian Server user xy wants to access /var/www/* I have added the user to group www-data but he cant copy anything |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | the server user? |
| 21:20.09 | luky | a user who can login to shell |
| 21:20.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:20.32 | Benkinooby | KamZou: or try the manual way? https://wiki.debian.org/Locale#Manually |
| 21:21.27 | luky | abrotman? |
| 21:21.28 | abrotman | KamZou: which xterm are you using ? |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | luky: why do they want to write there? |
| 21:21.38 | babilen | bernhard1: seriously, just ask the channel |
| 21:21.43 | KamZou | Benkinooby i'm trying the manual way |
| 21:21.56 | KamZou | abrotman Mmm bash |
| 21:22.04 | Benkinooby | KamZou: also please "echo $TERM" |
| 21:22.04 | luky | abrotman because he must copy files from his home folder to /var/www |
| 21:22.18 | KamZou | $ echo $TERM |
| 21:22.18 | KamZou | xterm |
| 21:22.44 | abrotman | luky: yes .. why? why not move www-root? is this person the only editor? |
| 21:22.45 | Benkinooby | KamZou: that's what abrotman wanted to knwo. you presented him "echo $SHELL" |
| 21:22.57 | abrotman | well .. xterm is vague .. |
| 21:23.09 | KamZou | it's the output .. |
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| 21:23.51 | KamZou | what's the "C" ? http://pastebin.com/cG2Ksjfc |
| 21:24.02 | Benkinooby | KamZou: ok, just out of interest. ctrl-alt-f2 to a virtual terminal and log in and see if it is any different. this will get you in command line mode. to get back top "normal" use ctrl+alt+f7 |
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| 21:24.06 | luky | abrotman www-root does not exist |
| 21:24.17 | luky | abrotman: yes he is the only one |
| 21:24.21 | KamZou | Benkinooby still the same here |
| 21:24.32 | abrotman | luky: then change the DocumentRoot, or create a special user that they can su to |
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| 21:24.40 | abrotman | luky: sudo to, not su to |
| 21:24.48 | basichash | Anyone have any good resources on microcode? |
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| 21:25.14 | abrotman | basichash: #hardware maybe |
| 21:25.31 | luky | i dont want su or sudo. i want it like in windows where i can add a group to a directory and give the group write access and then later add the user xy to group that has write access |
| 21:25.36 | luky | do u understand what i mean? |
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| 21:26.30 | xand | luky: do that then |
| 21:26.38 | Benkinooby | KamZou: hm :/ - out of ideas. if it helps you: i once set my system to my native language - and it was horrible. the error messages are unuable and you don't find anything when googling for them |
| 21:27.46 | KamZou | Arf ok |
| 21:27.54 | KamZou | still looking on google :) |
| 21:27.55 | Benkinooby | KamZou: what about this - https://wiki.debian.org/fr/UTF-8 is there more info inside thatn we provied |
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| 21:28.09 | KamZou | but .. What's the "C" when i locale -a ? |
| 21:28.10 | Benkinooby | ? |
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| 21:28.19 | KamZou | http://pastebin.com/cG2Ksjfc |
| 21:28.23 | luky | my problem is that i cant find the working commands for it |
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| 21:28.35 | mumpitzel | KamZou: "C" means "default" aka no locale |
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| 21:28.39 | luky | my only knowledge is chmod -R 777 /var/www |
| 21:28.44 | luky | or something... |
| 21:28.48 | KamZou | Ok thanks |
| 21:28.49 | luky | but i dont want that |
| 21:28.59 | abrotman | luky: that is a horrible idea |
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| 21:29.34 | Benkinooby | KamZou: also jsut to make 100% sure - did you run dpkg-reconfigure locales as root ? |
| 21:29.43 | KamZou | Benkinooby of course yes |
| 21:30.10 | luky | so if user xy is member of group upload how can i accomplish that group upload has full access to /var/www and sub folders? |
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| 21:31.44 | C00re | why would you want uploaders to have full access to /var/www ? |
| 21:31.57 | Benkinooby | KamZou: well, i don't think that there are much more options to check, since the ways we propsed seem to be the "normal" and only ones. so i'd just do a quick check on leogs and error messages. maybe something is hid there? but that's a far shot |
| 21:32.01 | C00re | "please, hack my server!" |
| 21:32.54 | luky | C00re or rw rights |
| 21:33.08 | luky | but I just want to know what command i must type in shell |
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| 21:33.23 | Benkinooby | !french |
| 21:33.23 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:33.38 | Benkinooby | KamZou: maybe they know better? ^ |
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| 21:34.06 | bernhard1 | My nginx server stopped working. im using squueze dot.deb when i do apt-get upgrade nginx i get.. |
| 21:34.07 | bernhard1 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 21:34.08 | bernhard1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.08 | bernhard1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.09 | KamZou | maybe, let's trye :) |
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| 21:35.26 | KsM | What's the point of having entries in /etc/inittab that go to /etc/init.d/powerfail if /etc/init.d/powerfail doesn't actually exist |
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| 21:35.45 | zoidberg- | hello, i want to run the i3 window manager instead of gnome, i've installed it but how do i switch it over? |
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| 21:36.28 | bernhard1 | im back.. was kicked :) ill pastebin |
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| 21:36.41 | jcbjoe | guys what else can i learn about debian .. normally i only need help for something im trying to accomplish |
| 21:36.43 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: in your desktop manager. you need to log out |
| 21:37.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jcbjoe about docs |
| 21:38.54 | Benkinooby | jcbjoe: hm, try to accomply different things. learning for the cause of learning isn't very effective (in my expereince). try to achieve something. e.g. do you already backup your important data? |
| 21:38.55 | darsie | jcbjoe: Learn how to solve these bugs: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ ;) |
| 21:39.26 | jhutchins | bernhard1: Generally dot.deb and "not working" are pretty common associations here. We don't recommend or support dot.deb. |
| 21:39.32 | zoidberg- | Benkinooby: i removed gnome so i only have the console? i just want i3 |
| 21:39.45 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: try startx |
| 21:40.09 | jhutchins | bernhard1: If you want to clean up the dot.deb packages and work with straight debian we'd be able to help you then. |
| 21:40.30 | mumpitzel | bernhard1: uninstall all dotdeb packages, install from debian repos. what's so hard about that? |
| 21:40.38 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: but be warned - a desktop manager (gdm, kdm, lightdm) is quite important for all that perminssions stuff (e.g. auto-mounting) |
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| 21:41.00 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: so my recommendation: install lightdm |
| 21:41.11 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: it's quite lightweight |
| 21:41.13 | zoidberg- | Benkinooby: ok let me do that now |
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| 21:41.57 | zoidberg- | startx worked :) |
| 21:42.25 | bernhard1 | My nginx server stopped working. im using squueze dot.deb when i do apt-get upgrade nginx i get errors. how do i continue ? http://paste.debian.net/40857/ |
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| 21:43.32 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: good :) - so if some things "just don't work" - it's probably the lack of desktop manager |
| 21:44.05 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: why i3? |
| 21:44.54 | zoidberg- | Benkinooby: I like the idea of a tiling window manager, most of my time is spent in terminals anyway :) |
| 21:45.04 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: tmux? |
| 21:45.07 | zoidberg- | and i3, seemed the best choice already it seems awesome :) |
| 21:45.10 | zoidberg- | Benkinooby: yes :) |
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| 21:46.09 | bernhard1 | jhutchins: mumpitzel: yes i want to uninstall dot.deb should i go for the first suggestion in http://paste.debian.net/40857/ ? |
| 21:46.23 | babilen | bernhard1: I told you exactly how to continue yesterday. Please read your logs and do what I told you. (purge dotdeb, reinstall packages you want to keep (all those mail packages), upgrade to wheezy, ...) |
| 21:46.38 | babilen | bernhard1: I mean: seriously? |
| 21:46.50 | Benkinooby | hm, a combination of tmux and i3 - a bit of an overkill, no? ;) |
| 21:46.50 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: can i3 handle conky? |
| 21:46.50 | Benkinooby | and how well does i3 work on 2 monitors? |
| 21:46.50 | Benkinooby | i am interested, not trolling |
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| 21:47.04 | jcbjoe | darsie: solving bugs ? i can't program or antyhing how would i solve them ? |
| 21:47.29 | jcbjoe | i would like to go to sid or testing so if i see a bug or if something force closes i can send debian information on it |
| 21:47.48 | darsie | By learning how to program and anything. You asked what you could learn. And don't forget the ;) I wrote. ;) |
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| 21:48.02 | jcbjoe | abrotman: thanks for the link |
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| 21:48.16 | abrotman | jcbjoe: there are tons of docs, and you don't have to be able to program to help Debian |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | jcbjoe: for example, you could help improve docs :) |
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| 21:49.08 | nabblet | zoidberg-: well, that was unexpected (i'm Benkinooby) :/ |
| 21:49.24 | vlt | Hello. my alsa device I want to playback with mplayer is called "default:CARD=K6" by `aplay -L`. I tried "-ao alsa:device=default:CARD=K6" but I get "Could not parse arguments at the position indicated below:" (points to the capital "C"). I changed ":" to "=" but still the device isn't found. Any idea? |
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| 21:50.53 | nabblet | vlt: don't use "default:card" ? |
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| 21:51.51 | darsie | the 'next' button on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgindex.cgi?indexon=pkg doesn't work. |
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| 21:52.42 | darsie | ahh, the note says there's a problem ... |
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| 21:53.14 | vlt | nabblet: "Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa:device=K6'" |
| 21:53.57 | bernhard1 | babilen: if your answer is Press yes after i do aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb' then i understand :) |
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| 21:54.04 | nabblet | vlt: well, then i dunno :/ |
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| 21:55.13 | vlt | In mpd.conf, for example, it works with the line 'device "default:CARD=K6" ' |
| 21:55.36 | zoidberg- | nabblet: i believe you can get conky to work in i3 and it works well on dual monitors |
| 21:55.44 | zoidberg- | nabblet: tmux i use on osx |
| 21:55.48 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: cool |
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| 21:58.45 | MarsellusWallace | zoidberg-: and what are you doing in all these terminals? |
| 21:58.58 | MarsellusWallace | sysadmin? programming? |
| 21:59.00 | zoidberg- | MarsellusWallace: taking over the world, ofcourse.. |
| 21:59.15 | MarsellusWallace | zoidberg-: as every evening, i see |
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| 22:00.29 | zoidberg- | I do everything in terminals =) |
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| 22:00.43 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: watchin movie |
| 22:00.50 | swick | is there a way to get AppArmor running on debian testing? |
| 22:00.54 | Benkinooby | although those ASCII converters are pretty fun |
| 22:01.41 | abrotman | swick: apparmor is a package already |
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| 22:02.50 | Benkinooby | zoidberg-: run aafire ;) |
| 22:02.50 | akurczyk | hi, can i run gnome 3 with gnome shell not this failsafe shell in debian 7 under hyper-v from windows 8? i don't need this compiz-like effects. |
| 22:03.12 | swick | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712050 |
| 22:03.28 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: you could also run something more minimal - lxde for example |
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| 22:05.23 | abrotman | swick: okay, seems like it needs a new maintainer if oyu're interested ? |
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| 22:06.41 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: but i relly want to run gnome shell. is that passible? |
| 22:06.44 | swick | abrotman: I have no clue about all this... just want to get it running |
| 22:07.02 | abrotman | swick: dare we ask why? |
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| 22:07.54 | swick | abrotman: want to make sure steam and games don't have access on all my data |
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| 22:10.44 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: don't know - never had such a setup. first you'd have to find out why gnome goes failsafe. 1) becuase it's a vm and knows about it 2) to enough ressources |
| 22:11.14 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: since i don't use gnome, i don't know how to turn off all its bells and whistles |
| 22:11.38 | akurczyk | becaus it doesn't have proper drivers for the virtual graphics card and that card is just a standard vesa |
| 22:11.40 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: what happens if you try to use the gnome shell? |
| 22:11.47 | Sia- | hi, have installed the debian 7.1 but after installation got "no bootable device insert boot disk and press any key" i'm using reFind bootloader on imacintel! |
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| 22:11.50 | abrotman | swick: put them in a chroot |
| 22:11.56 | akurczyk | it boots to gnome failsafe shell |
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| 22:14.11 | Sia- | any way to edit the bootloader or why can't find the bootdevice with debian only, have tried ubuntu/fedora booting very well! |
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| 22:14.25 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: hm, if you already tried to support this virtual graphic card driver-wise, then you have to look ath hyper-v how to simulate a different grapic card i guess |
| 22:14.50 | vlt | Hello. How can I make "default:CARD=K6" the default playback device in .asoundrc? |
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| 22:15.29 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: it's not possible. it's server vm :/ so gnome shell can't start on normal vesa with some cheats? |
| 22:15.33 | ryan42 | Greetings. I'm trying to set up IPv6 on a Debian box and I'm apparently doing something wrong. I tried to add a simple line "iface eth0 inet6 auto" (or "dhcp" in place of "auto") and when I reboot the machine, I have no network interface at all |
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| 22:18.16 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: gnome3 on vesa should be possible from what i googled right now |
| 22:18.19 | ryan42 | it seems to cause the whole /etc/network/interfaces file to not get parsed at all |
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| 22:22.36 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: apt-cache show llmv-dev |
| 22:22.43 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: is it installed? |
| 22:23.03 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: no. it should? |
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| 22:23.31 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: from what i read it might be important - have a read here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxMjI but keep in mind it's from 2011 |
| 22:24.06 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: there is no such pkg in repo. i found it's becaus of missing hyper-v dirvers thanks i will try to install this rpm for rhel :D |
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| 22:24.19 | akurczyk | do u know some how to about grub 2 in debian 7? |
| 22:24.23 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: llvm or llvmpipe seem to be an imporatnt component for running gnome shell w/o GPU driver support |
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| 22:24.29 | akurczyk | i can't find grub.conf menu.lst etc |
| 22:24.43 | Nik05 | /etc/default6grub |
| 22:24.55 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: thereis llvm in repo |
| 22:25.00 | Nik05 | 6 -> / |
| 22:25.16 | petn-randall | ryan42: What does 'ifup eth0' give you on that machine? |
| 22:25.19 | mumpitzel | akurczyk: there is /boot/grub/grub.cfg but you should not edit it. |
| 22:25.26 | abrotman | akurczyk: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 22:25.41 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: give it a try - you can uninstall it if it doesnt work, anyway |
| 22:26.00 | akurczyk | 1. run somehow gnome-shell 2. download vanila kernel, compile it and add to grub i need kvp protocol support |
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| 22:26.07 | ryan42 | petn-randall: unknown method on line 11, couldn't read file... |
| 22:26.10 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: installed |
| 22:26.31 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: reboot the vm just to be sure |
| 22:26.35 | abrotman | ryan42: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:26.38 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: but there is no llvmpipe |
| 22:26.57 | akurczyk | mumpitzel: and also grub.conf |
| 22:27.06 | ryan42 | http://pastebin.com/xS8i7wyq |
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| 22:28.54 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html see "Using" |
| 22:29.52 | abrotman | ryan42: line 11 doesn't look right |
| 22:29.55 | petn-randall | ryan42: And you're running wheezy? |
| 22:30.05 | Some_Person | For some reason, if I set GRUB to use my monitor's native resolution of 1600x900, the display claims it's out of range |
| 22:30.11 | Some_Person | Is there anything I can do about this? |
| 22:30.36 | ryan42 | 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 Tue Jun 14 09:33:14 UTC 2011 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 22:30.51 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: will try to install this rpm with hyper-v drivers. but first i need this 3.11 kernel with kvp support. and i can't find grub.conf. i found some /etc/grub.d scripts but its really complicated. it is grub 2 in deb 7 right? |
| 22:31.12 | ryan42 | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 22:31.35 | Some_Person | Because I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver, the GRUB resolution is also used by plymouth and any console |
| 22:31.53 | abrotman | |
| 22:32.00 | Some_Person | What should I do? |
| 22:32.00 | bernhard1 | aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb' |
| 22:32.00 | bernhard1 | Segmentation fault |
| 22:32.06 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 22:32.24 | petn-randall | ryan42: AFAIR squeeze didn't have full ipv6 support. |
| 22:32.29 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: thanks :) |
| 22:32.52 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: well, it was the first hit for goolge "debian grub" ;) |
| 22:33.04 | ryan42 | petn-randall: alrighty. |
| 22:33.16 | akurczyk | Benkinooby: i was searching for grub 2 tutorial and i found some ubuntu site |
| 22:33.23 | abrotman | ryan42: you may have to manually up those ipv6 settings |
| 22:34.04 | Benkinooby | akurczyk: sometimes debian and ubuntu directories differ |
| 22:34.08 | ryan42 | I'd consider upgrading the system but its a rather strange piece of hardware and only has 136 MB of RAM |
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| 22:35.28 | abrotman | ryan42: it would probably upgrade fine if it runs okay now |
| 22:35.31 | abrotman | RAM isn't the issue |
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| 22:35.52 | austeregrim | ryan42 can I ask what you're working on |
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| 22:36.22 | ryan42 | A Power Macintosh that I have been running Debian on since time began. |
| 22:36.50 | Benkinooby | ryan42: what are you using it for? |
| 22:37.02 | ryan42 | znc + irssi + screen mostly |
| 22:37.12 | ryan42 | its been running quietly in the garage for years and years |
| 22:37.20 | Benkinooby | neat |
| 22:37.48 | ryan42 | thanks. Linux lets you spring life into otherwise largely-useless hardware in some interesting ways. :) |
| 22:38.59 | jcbjoe | thanks ryan42 i didn't know about znc |
| 22:39.04 | Benkinooby | ryan42: and you're trying to get ipv6 running on it? |
| 22:39.16 | ryan42 | it is largely an academic exercise. |
| 22:39.43 | ryan42 | pfsense 2.1 release hit today with IPv6 support and I have set it up successfully to run DHCPv6 and tunnel traffic through a Hurricane Electric tunnel. |
| 22:39.58 | ryan42 | s/today/recently, rater |
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| 22:40.03 | austeregrim | doesn't the network card have to support ipv6 also? I'm not wise about this topic though |
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| 22:40.17 | ryan42 | I don't think so. Its all just frames to the network card. |
| 22:40.33 | austeregrim | just thinking about the memory on the card itself, or the space it has to work with those frames |
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| 22:40.52 | Archguy | root:~# mysql |
| 22:40.52 | Archguy | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 22:40.53 | jcbjoe | ryan42: can i pm you ? |
| 22:40.59 | ryan42 | jcbjoe: sure. |
| 22:41.35 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: well you can also have big ipv4 packets |
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| 22:42.00 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: unless he runs an acient network card it should be ok |
| 22:42.14 | austeregrim | Benkinooby, I'm aware of that... he must be using an ancient network card. |
| 22:42.14 | Benkinooby | ryan42: hurricane electric - is that an ipv6 tunnel broker? |
| 22:42.28 | Benkinooby | austeregrim: point taken ;) |
| 22:42.44 | ryan42 | Benkinooby: yes. tunnelbroker.net |
| 22:42.45 | austeregrim | considering he's only got 136mb of ram |
| 22:43.04 | Benkinooby | ryan42: purrrfect. just yesterday i set up my system using sixxs |
| 22:43.05 | Benkinooby | :D |
| 22:43.22 | Benkinooby | also just because i can :P |
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| 22:43.40 | Benkinooby | they gave me a /48 ipv6 subent Oo |
| 22:43.54 | ryan42 | You can get a /48 with HE as well but you have to request one. |
| 22:44.04 | ryan42 | austeregrim: it is a D-Link 10/100 card. |
| 22:44.15 | abrotman | ugh .. HE |
| 22:44.29 | ryan42 | the system's original 10BaseT card connected throug the Apple Communications Port strangely wasn't recognized by debian heh. |
| 22:44.38 | austeregrim | lol |
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| 22:45.50 | Benkinooby | ryan42: well, you have to request at sixxs to . they have some cind of credit system and you buy with credits your request. you earn credity by being onlin in ipv6 :) |
| 22:45.50 | Benkinooby | *too |
| 22:46.18 | Benkinooby | ryan42: so it ipv6 working right now for you? |
| 22:46.27 | ryan42 | it is on a few other machiens on the network |
| 22:47.08 | Benkinooby | ah so you have possibility to test. but on the mac it does not work right now? |
| 22:47.19 | ryan42 | correct. |
| 22:47.37 | ryan42 | my OS X machine picked up the IPv6 RA and got online immediately |
| 22:47.51 | ryan42 | i have a centos box that I haven't quite nailed autoconfiguration yet on but dhclient -6 eth0 worked |
| 22:48.08 | Benkinooby | ryan42: RA? |
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| 22:48.48 | ryan42 | Router Advertisement |
| 22:49.39 | Benkinooby | ryan42: ok |
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| 22:50.07 | Benkinooby | ryan42: i think debian 6 was sther first debina with full ipv6 support, no? |
| 22:50.23 | Benkinooby | *the first debian |
| 22:50.48 | ryan42 | i'm not entirely sure. |
| 22:50.50 | ryan42 | I am running 6.0 |
| 22:51.01 | Benkinooby | ah. here https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 22:51.08 | ryan42 | I do have a link-local IPv6 address but I can't get it to pick up an address from the dhcpv6 server |
| 22:51.38 | Benkinooby | ryan42: well if you have link-local it is at least capable of ipv6 |
| 22:51.50 | kaste | Hello, I am playing a challenge websites game where you have to gain access to a debian system that still runs the ancient openssl/ssh from back in 2008 when debian had that patch with the vulnerable keys. Does anyone still have the rainbow table and could give me a link to it? The original metasploit page that is linked everywhere appears down for me |
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| 22:53.23 | Benkinooby | ryan42: hm. do you have any kind of error messages? |
| 22:53.39 | Benkinooby | ryan42: is the dhcpv6 server under your control? |
| 22:53.51 | ryan42 | no error messages, just a return to #, and yes it is under my control |
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| 22:54.43 | Benkinooby | ryan42: hm, maybe you can get a clue with tcpdum/wireshark? |
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| 22:55.06 | Benkinooby | ryan42: on the server that is. don't think traffic monitoring is fun to the ol' mac |
| 22:55.37 | Benkinooby | ryan42: what's the command you're running? |
| 22:55.42 | ryan42 | dhclient -6 eth0 |
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| 22:56.45 | Benkinooby | ryan42: hm. and manual setup? |
| 22:57.02 | ryan42 | right now I have the line in /etc/network/interfaces as iface eth0 inet6 manual |
| 22:57.57 | Benkinooby | syssi: shouldnt it be static |
| 22:58.06 | Benkinooby | syssi: sorry, nvm |
| 22:58.21 | Benkinooby | ryan42: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:58.46 | ryan42 | this is my current: http://pastebin.com/zNFGjgRW |
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| 22:59.30 | zhr0 | is my sources list ok? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3065141 |
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| 23:00.36 | Benkinooby | ryan42: what if you use static and enter the settings into the file? |
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| 23:01.25 | Benkinooby | ryan42: um, should'T be ther an auto eth0 too |
| 23:02.04 | ryan42 | I have seen that in a few examples. I didn't modify it from its installation default. i'm not sure why I don't already have that line |
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| 23:02.24 | Benkinooby | ryan42: use it. do auto eth0 |
| 23:02.30 | Benkinooby | and then pass a block of static |
| 23:02.49 | Benkinooby | ryan42: like thes do here https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/IPv6/IPv6Configurations |
| 23:03.13 | Benkinooby | ryan42: also what happens if you use the link-local afresses? |
| 23:03.26 | ryan42 | use in which manner? |
| 23:03.36 | Benkinooby | that's the whole point of link-local - so that comps can communicate w/o RA |
| 23:03.48 | Benkinooby | ryan42: test ping |
| 23:03.50 | ryan42 | like APIPA |
| 23:04.14 | Guest31416 | I made a script with xdotool, very small script, and sometimes it work sometimes it doesnt |
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| 23:04.28 | Benkinooby | ryan42: yes |
| 23:04.29 | Guest31416 | and it raise the CPU usage |
| 23:04.36 | Guest31416 | to 50% |
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| 23:04.56 | Guest31416 | I don't understand why a small script is so CPU intensive |
| 23:04.57 | ryan42 | i am getting no route to host on the linklocal address |
| 23:04.58 | Benkinooby | ryan42: or wait - does just the RA not work, ir IPv6 in general? |
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| 23:05.28 | Benkinooby | ok, i see |
| 23:05.28 | Benkinooby | ryan42: what's the exact command you used? |
| 23:05.38 | ryan42 | ping6 fe80::200:94ff:feb7:5a6a |
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| 23:05.55 | Benkinooby | ryan42: ping6 fe80::200:94ff:feb7:5a6a%eth0 |
| 23:06.21 | ryan42 | ping6: sendmsg: No route to host |
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| 23:07.03 | Benkinooby | ryan42: can i /msg you |
| 23:07.13 | truexfan81 | what could cause a debian machine without xorg to use all its ram and 95% of a 10GB swap? i don't get it |
| 23:07.14 | ryan42 | Sure, I am about to have to leave though :-( |
| 23:07.16 | Guest31416 | if I run the script from shell it doesn't take so much cpu, if I run it via a keyboard hotkey, then it raise the CPU |
| 23:07.19 | ryan42 | But I will be back in a few hours |
| 23:07.35 | Guest31416 | maybe the hotkey program is faulty? |
| 23:08.42 | Benkinooby | ryan42: see my msg |
| 23:08.45 | Benkinooby | ryan42: anyway - good luch! |
| 23:09.17 | ryan42 | Thanks! I appreciate everyone's help. Will let you know how it turns out |
| 23:09.47 | Benkinooby | :) |
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| 23:51.35 | meskio | I'm making a package of a tool that installs code examples on /usr/share/tool_name |
| 23:51.54 | meskio | I want to move them to /usr/share/doc/tool_name but the ./configure don't have any flag for that |
| 23:52.06 | meskio | what is the good way to do that? |
| 23:52.12 | meskio | any debhelper script for it? |
| 23:52.22 | meskio | or should I patch the configure script? |
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| 23:56.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell meskio about mentors |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | meskio: seems like you'd actually want it to be /usr/share/doc/foo/examples/ |
| 23:57.29 | meskio | abrotman: exactly |
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