| 00:01.34 | abrotman | meskio: see what the bot told you |
| 00:02.37 | meskio | :) |
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| 00:08.00 | buu | !smb |
| 00:08.00 | dpkg | hmm... smb is Server Message Block, or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic. See also <cifs>, <samba>. |
| 00:08.09 | abrotman | buu: you can msg the bot |
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| 00:10.07 | vlt | Hello. my alsa device I want to playback with mplayer is called "default:CARD=K6" by `aplay -L`. I tried "-ao alsa:device=default:CARD=K6" but I get "Could not parse arguments at the position indicated below:" (points to the capital "C"). I changed ":" to "=" but still the device isn't found. Any idea? |
| 00:10.13 | vlt | Or how can I make it my alsa default device? |
| 00:12.42 | buu | Ok, so reading the manual leads me to the following command string: sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.20/buu ./s -o user=buu, pass=foo |
| 00:12.57 | buu | But that just throws me back the generic mount 'invalid command' help response, what am I missing? |
| 00:13.19 | abrotman | why are you using sudo ? |
| 00:13.39 | buu | abrotman: Because it told me only root could mount things! |
| 00:13.56 | buu | Also apparently my error was the comma |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | what is "it"? |
| 00:14.23 | buu | abrotman: mount |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | lies |
| 00:14.35 | dvs | statistics! |
| 00:14.39 | buu | mount: only root can do that |
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| 00:19.14 | buu | Is there a file copy command that will show me how fast it is copying the file? |
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| 00:19.43 | nkuttler | buu: rsync? |
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| 00:20.32 | buu | Oh. I suppose that would be a good idea. |
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| 00:22.12 | abrotman | or look at pv |
| 00:22.29 | buu | Thanks. |
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| 00:27.56 | somiaj | buu: you can also look up some scripts to get a progress bar with cp |
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| 00:31.16 | buu | Augh. I'm trying to transfer between a local drive and my mounted cifs drive, but this tricks linux into thinking I'm doing a purely local copy so it refuses to display transfer speed with rsync or scp |
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| 00:31.48 | buu | How silly. |
| 00:31.48 | xand | doing scp locally will slow it down |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | buu: man cp ? |
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| 00:32.15 | xand | cifs is pretty slow though |
| 00:32.58 | Archguy | root:~# mysql |
| 00:32.59 | Archguy | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | buu: how mauch data is there? |
| 00:33.04 | Archguy | How do I fix this? |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | Archguy: did you mess with the permissions tabe? |
| 00:33.22 | Archguy | abrotman: do not believe so |
| 00:33.34 | buu | abrotman: I'm testing it on 2gb files but I'm eventually going to be transferring around 500gb |
| 00:33.45 | somiaj | don't you need a -p flag to get it to prompt for a password, mysql -p |
| 00:33.46 | buu | and man cp didn't show me any useful options |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | buu: there's a method to kill -USR1 <pid> |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | with cp |
| 00:34.01 | xand | Archguy: specify -p and then type the password? |
| 00:34.06 | somiaj | buu: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66795/ |
| 00:34.08 | xand | or you can reset it |
| 00:34.21 | somiaj | or set up a ~/.my.cnf with the password in it |
| 00:34.37 | Archguy | xand: it is the same password |
| 00:34.43 | Archguy | xand: i tried but it didn't work |
| 00:34.45 | xand | the same as what? |
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| 00:35.49 | Archguy | xand: as the root passwd and I tried again but didn't work |
| 00:35.51 | buu | xand: I'm talking to a box that has a few options: cifs, afp, nfs, webdav; would you recommend any of those in particular to mount from my debian box? |
| 00:36.12 | xand | Archguy: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/442 |
| 00:36.23 | xand | buu: if it's over a trusted network, nfs |
| 00:36.49 | buu | ok |
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| 00:37.11 | abrotman | buu: is it 500GB of small or large files? |
| 00:37.45 | buu | abrotman: A mix of 1-2gb files and thousands of <100 kb files |
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| 00:38.34 | Archguy | xand: cheers |
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| 00:39.35 | bencc | is it possible to force a multi arch deb to install the 32bit version on a 64bit machine? |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | buu: i'd probably not use NFS for that .. |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | !tell bencc about multiarch |
| 00:41.00 | buu | abrotman: Well, this is a one time thing, but my other option is ftp, heh |
| 00:41.13 | xand | ewwww |
| 00:41.21 | bencc | abrotman: after adding i386 architecture, how do I force php5 32-bit dev? |
| 00:41.24 | bencc | deb |
| 00:41.31 | buu | Anyways, thanks for the suggestions, I'm going to take a walk. |
| 00:42.01 | abrotman | bencc: what are you really trying to do? |
| 00:42.21 | bencc | abrotman: install php and apache 32-bit on a 64-bit machine |
| 00:42.32 | xand | why would you want that? |
| 00:42.33 | bencc | and run apache is a service |
| 00:42.35 | abrotman | bencc: why not use the 64bit version ? |
| 00:42.52 | bencc | I'm using a 512MB vps and php takes too much ram |
| 00:43.04 | xand | runs away |
| 00:43.08 | bencc | tried 32bit server and it requires much less ram |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | and you believe using hte 32bit version will fix this? instead of fixing the PHP scripts? |
| 00:43.19 | bencc | but I need 64 bits packages |
| 00:43.25 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:43.28 | bencc | abrotman: it does |
| 00:43.38 | abrotman | bencc: you missed the 'instead of" |
| 00:43.53 | bencc | abrotman: I can't fix moodle (php) |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | bencc: read the wiki page, it tells you how to do this |
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| 00:45.44 | bencc | abrotman: thanks. reading |
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| 01:06.00 | Archguy | getting a > root:~$ prompt in which I cannot type anything due to a bad source .bashrc and have no other sudo accounts how do I fix this? |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | how did you break it? |
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| 01:06.47 | kaste | type reset blind? |
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| 01:06.56 | Archguy | abrotman: I don't know, I just added something like export PATH=~/wp-cli/bin |
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| 01:07.08 | abrotman | is that all huh? |
| 01:07.11 | Archguy | kaste: doesn't do anything |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | typing in blind commands, great plan |
| 01:07.27 | Archguy | abrotman: and # WP-CLI Bash completions |
| 01:07.28 | Archguy | source $HOME/.wp-cli/vendor/wp-cli/wp-cli/utils/wp-completion.bash |
| 01:07.33 | Archguy | to .bashrc |
| 01:07.35 | Archguy | and then source .bashrc |
| 01:07.42 | Archguy | abrotman: didn't work btw |
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| 01:07.47 | abrotman | so you wiped out your $PATH |
| 01:07.51 | Archguy | ... |
| 01:08.01 | Archguy | so what do I do? |
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| 01:08.11 | abrotman | tried starting a different shell? |
| 01:08.16 | Archguy | abrotman: how? |
| 01:08.18 | abrotman | dash? csh? zsh? |
| 01:08.24 | Archguy | abrotman: yes but how? |
| 01:08.25 | abrotman | type the full path |
| 01:09.03 | Archguy | $ /bin/dash |
| 01:09.03 | Archguy | \[\e[1;33m\]>\[\033[0m\] \[\e[1;34m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@sperec.fr\[\e[1;33m\][\[\033[0m\]91.229.20.94\[\e[1;33m\]]\[\033[0m\]:\w\[\e[1;34m\]$ \[\033[0m\] |
| 01:09.11 | Archguy | abrotman: what the hell? |
| 01:09.32 | abrotman | it's your prompt .. does stuff work or not ? |
| 01:09.48 | Archguy | no |
| 01:09.50 | abrotman | Archguy: what if you "source /etc/profile" ? |
| 01:09.51 | Archguy | cannot use nano or vim |
| 01:09.58 | Archguy | k wil try |
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| 01:10.06 | abrotman | Archguy: don't you have an admin to do this for you? |
| 01:10.12 | Archguy | score! |
| 01:10.21 | Archguy | source /etc/profile worked |
| 01:10.56 | Archguy | thanks :) |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | are you done breaking stuff for the night ? |
| 01:11.39 | Archguy | export PATH=$PATH:~/wp-cli/bin was actually what I needed to add to my .bashrc so that I can just run wp right? |
| 01:11.43 | Archguy | (http://wp-cli.org/) |
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| 01:36.06 | buu | So. Um. I've mounted a cifs share via mount -t cifs -o uid=buu -o forceuid; and everything mostly works, but when I use du or something to ask how big a file is, it tells me every single file is 4gb, which seems unlikely |
| 01:36.13 | buu | Anyone seen something like that before? |
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| 01:37.02 | buu | I should note that windows mounts the same share and sees the correct file sizes |
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| 01:39.40 | leoleo11 | has anyone tried the acer c7= |
| 01:39.41 | leoleo11 | ? |
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| 01:40.57 | mrdeb | hi |
| 01:41.46 | leoleo11 | hi |
| 01:42.02 | mrdeb | u can ask it in offtopic |
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| 01:46.50 | Chat9638 | Hi |
| 01:46.54 | mrdeb | yo |
| 01:48.14 | h3x0r | sup nigga? |
| 01:48.20 | h3x0r | where are you from my nigga? |
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| 01:49.01 | mrdeb | who |
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| 01:49.21 | LtL | mrdeb: don't |
| 01:49.37 | mrdeb | ok |
| 01:50.06 | LtL | !ops h3x0r trolling, racial s |
| 01:50.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ltl complains about: h3x0r trolling, racial s |
| 01:50.10 | mrdeb | so why is iceweasel 17 picked |
| 01:50.13 | LtL | damnit |
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| 01:50.57 | themill | LtL: thanks |
| 01:51.28 | LtL | themill: i was premature but thank you |
| 01:52.16 | buu | test$ du -hsc . |
| 01:52.16 | buu | 80T . |
| 01:52.22 | buu | Hehe. Samba bugs are fun |
| 01:52.40 | themill | mrdeb: iceweasel 10 and 17 are designated for "long term support". The iceweasel development model where a new release comes out every few minutes makes picking a version suitable for the several-year support timeframe expected of a debian release is difficult |
| 01:53.04 | mrdeb | what |
| 01:53.08 | mrdeb | it doesnt come out every minute |
| 01:53.23 | mrdeb | why dont u stick to version 20 |
| 01:53.33 | themill | because that's not a long term supported version |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mrdeb about u |
| 01:53.47 | mrdeb | ... |
| 01:54.16 | buu | abrotman: Hey, any idea why linux/debian/samba/cifs thinks every single file is 4gb? |
| 01:54.20 | themill | mrdeb: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 01:54.20 | mrdeb | so there is something special about 17 |
| 01:54.26 | mrdeb | or is it locked random |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | buu: what does the local filesystem say/; |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:54.40 | themill | mrdeb: yes, as I said twice now. it is designated for long term support |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | themill: there may be a language barrier here .. |
| 01:54.55 | leoleo11 | mrdeb: how do i get to offtopic? |
| 01:54.58 | mrdeb | id like to know how it is picked as 17 and not 18 or 20 |
| 01:55.08 | mrdeb | leoleo11: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 01:55.10 | buu | abrotman: I don't have easy access to a shell on the server in question but windows sees the files via samba as the correct file sizes |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | mrdeb: he's told you three times already |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | buu: i wouldn't be concerned then |
| 01:55.38 | mrdeb | not how |
| 01:55.39 | mrdeb | he said its picked as lts |
| 01:55.39 | buu | abrotman: And the box itself reports the expected 'total usage' statistics |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | are you dense? |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | buu: definitely wouldn't worry about it then |
| 01:56.24 | buu | abrotman: Well, I now have an 80 terabyte folder, so that's fun |
| 01:56.33 | buu | Maybe I can get it up to a petabyte |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | buu: just zip it up :) |
| 01:56.40 | buu | haha |
| 01:59.56 | kaste | l/part |
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| 02:00.48 | mrdeb | is there official debian lxde edition |
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| 02:01.27 | themill | mrdeb: there are no official "debian editions" for anything. |
| 02:01.59 | mrdeb | themill: gnome 3 is official |
| 02:02.02 | mrdeb | in iso |
| 02:02.45 | themill | that's not a "debian edition". That's just an installer that will install gnome if you ask it to do so. |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | mrdeb: gnome is not official |
| 02:03.01 | themill | There is also CD image that has lxde on it. |
| 02:03.26 | mrdeb | ok |
| 02:03.33 | mrdeb | then answer is yes |
| 02:03.46 | themill | the answer to a different question is "yes". |
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| 02:03.56 | abrotman | mrdeb: no, the answer to your original question is 'no' |
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| 02:05.12 | mrdeb | so there is lxde iso |
| 02:05.17 | mrdeb | thats good |
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| 02:18.05 | Kobra | uhh, anyone know why apt-get install/upgrade will quit at "Reading state information... Done" |
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| 02:18.25 | Kobra | i can't install anything, it just abandons at that point, with no error message |
| 02:19.32 | Kobra | doing a dist-upgrade outputs an additional "Calculating upgrade... " with no newline |
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| 02:23.06 | Kobra | anyone there? |
| 02:23.21 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
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| 02:23.30 | themill | Kobra: does "apt-get check" output anything? |
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| 02:23.50 | Kobra | nope |
| 02:23.54 | Kobra | same as other commands |
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| 02:24.32 | Kobra | running install as root, gives a segfault |
| 02:24.44 | Kobra | Reading state information... Done |
| 02:24.45 | Kobra | Segmentation fault |
| 02:24.45 | Kobra | root@laptop:/home/kobra# |
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| 02:25.14 | themill | Kobra: which release of debian is this? |
| 02:25.19 | Kobra | sid |
| 02:25.37 | Kobra | i havn't upgraded in ~1month |
| 02:25.51 | themill | and it's just started doing this more recently? |
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| 02:26.38 | Kobra | today |
| 02:26.42 | Kobra | i installed something earlier |
| 02:26.53 | themill | "something"? |
| 02:27.02 | Kobra | checked bash hist, was pinta |
| 02:27.27 | themill | did anything additional get installed? |
| 02:27.37 | Kobra | nope |
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| 02:27.48 | Kobra | it didn't require any dependancies |
| 02:27.56 | Kobra | that wen't already installed |
| 02:27.57 | tp43_ | I have mplayer and mplayer2, what gives, what the difference? |
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| 02:27.59 | themill | BTW do you have the debsums package already installed? memtest86+? |
| 02:28.10 | Kobra | themill: no |
| 02:28.26 | somiaj | tp43_: mplayer2 is a fork/rewrite of mplayer removing a lot of the 'crud' |
| 02:28.38 | somiaj | tp43_: they are actually quite different now I belive |
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| 02:29.34 | themill | Kobra: I wonder if downloading those tools and installing them with dpkg -i would be worthwhile here |
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| 02:29.53 | Kobra | already on it |
| 02:29.58 | somiaj | provided it isn't a core lib doing the segfault |
| 02:30.14 | themill | somiaj: indeed |
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| 02:30.19 | tp43_ | somiaj, can I remove mplayer and just keep mplayer2 or I have to have em both, how do I make mplayer be alias for mplayer2, so when I hit tab, I don't have to enter 2 |
| 02:30.45 | n0c | on debian wheezy under gnome 3.2, audio over hdmi worked great until i ran xrandr to set underscan on for my tv. now I cannot get it to play audio over hdmi for the life of me. pactl/cmd shows it's not muted, and it 'acts' like it's playing a file when i use aplay. tried different hdmi inputs on my tv too.. thoughts? |
| 02:30.45 | rryoumaa | tp43_: your own $P |
| 02:30.50 | n0c | have rebooted as well |
| 02:30.52 | somiaj | tp43_: you can of course do 'alias mplayer=mplayer2' in your shell, and you can remove mplayer if you only want mplayer 2 |
| 02:30.57 | rryoumaa | tp43_: your own $PATH and a wrapper would work. or an alias. |
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| 02:31.11 | Kobra | garh, resolving dependancies manually, pfft |
| 02:31.25 | tp43_ | somiaj, I was worried, if I don't apt-get remove mplayer, it would remove ffmpeg and bunch of other stuff, ok let me try and see |
| 02:31.25 | somiaj | tp43_: http://www.mplayer2.org/differences/ in case you wanted to look at it |
| 02:31.27 | tp43_ | rryoumaa, thx |
| 02:31.33 | tp43_ | somiaj, thx |
| 02:31.34 | themill | Kobra: yeah, I was hoping you'd already have the deps there |
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| 02:31.47 | rryoumaa | tp43_: what's the difference between them anyway? |
| 02:31.56 | somiaj | tp43_: ffmpeg doesn't depend on mplayer, so you shoudl be fine. If it removes packages do to autoremove you can change them to a manual install. |
| 02:32.05 | tp43_ | rryoumaa, better pause handling for 1, see the link above for more details |
| 02:32.06 | hesco | hostname -f gives me localhost even though my /etc/hosts includes a line reading: 127.0.0.1 localhost $fqdn $hostname as well as a line reading $ip $fqdn $hostname for each interface I have. What am I missing here so that this machine can know its own fqdn? |
| 02:32.35 | somiaj | hesco: it retursn teh frist name, try changing localhost foo to foo localhost in that file |
| 02:33.04 | somiaj | though are ya sure you want the fqdn to be on the 127.0.0.1 instead of its actual network address ip? |
| 02:33.10 | tp43_ | somiaj, I tried apt-get remove mplayer but it says 'not installed' but I have the two programs in my shell - mplayer & mplayer2 |
| 02:33.30 | somiaj | tp43_: you can see if one is a link. type 'witch mplayer' |
| 02:33.38 | somiaj | tp43_: then do an ls -l on the file it returns |
| 02:33.44 | hesco | thanks somaj: trying that now |
| 02:34.13 | somiaj | tp43_: arg it is which mplayer |
| 02:34.21 | somiaj | tp43_: one day I will learn my native language. (: |
| 02:34.23 | tp43_ | there are two, /usr/bin/mplayer and /usr/bin/mplayer2 |
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| 02:34.37 | hesco | thanks somaj: that seesm to have worked. |
| 02:34.39 | somiaj | tp43_: ok now ls -l /usr/bin/mplayer (see if it is just a link) |
| 02:35.16 | tp43_ | somiaj, yes, it is link to /etc/alternative/mplayer and mplayer two is the actual program |
| 02:35.27 | tp43_ | sorry mplayer is a link and mplayer2 is a program |
| 02:35.47 | somiaj | tp43_: see you don't have to type the 2 after all. (: |
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| 02:36.18 | tp43_ | somiaj, mplayer that links to /etc/alternative/mplayer is same as /usr/bin/mplayer2? |
| 02:36.31 | tp43_ | sorry /etc/alternatives/mplayer |
| 02:36.51 | tp43_ | I can just remove the link and it will be gone from my shell eh? |
| 02:36.52 | somiaj | tp43_: yea seems it is using the debian alternatives system so you an set which is default |
| 02:37.00 | Kobra | themill: do you have any idea what could be causing this? |
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| 02:37.13 | somiaj | tp43_: 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/mplayer' if a package owns that link I would just leave it alone |
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| 02:37.29 | somiaj | tp43_: but note running mplayer or mplayer2 is the same so with tab compelte you can stop at mplayer |
| 02:38.07 | tp43_ | ok cool |
| 02:38.10 | tp43_ | somiaj, thx |
| 02:38.36 | themill | Kobra: either you've somehow managed to get apt binaries and ibraries out of sync (unlikely) or you've got some dodgy memory or unhappy filesystem/hard disk that is feeding dodgy data. |
| 02:39.00 | Kobra | would it help if i reboobt? |
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| 02:39.10 | Kobra | i can try |
| 02:39.16 | Kobra | i've had it in hibernate |
| 02:39.17 | themill | Kobra: I'd check through debsums first |
| 02:39.17 | tp43_ | somiaj, I'd think it'd be a link /etc/alternatives/mplayer2 instead, that would make more sense, but I have no idea how the alternatives work, anyway, as long as I don't have to hit tab and then 2 I am happy |
| 02:39.27 | Kobra | ill try that, will report back |
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| 02:40.08 | zophy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.40 | zophy | i have a nice pile of onions and green peppers and sliced garlic that is aging right now |
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| 02:41.43 | zophy | mmm |
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| 02:41.56 | Kobra | themill: nope, a reboot didn't fix it |
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| 02:42.50 | ledestin | I burn BD, get :-[ CLOSE SESSION failed with SK=5h/INVALID FIELD IN CDB]: Input/output error. The worst is that files are different from originals. |
| 02:42.52 | Kobra | welp, shit, aptitude fails too |
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| 02:43.02 | Kobra | does aptitide use apt-get? |
| 02:43.08 | ledestin | and they are different each time |
| 02:43.19 | Kobra | i always thoguht it was different, not just like apt-get uses dpkg |
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| 02:44.42 | abrotman | Kobra: no, they're different |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | and apt-get doesn't just use dpkg |
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| 02:44.57 | Kobra | well they're both segfaulting |
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| 02:47.48 | Kobra | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 02:47.48 | Kobra | 0x00007ffff7b15e94 in pkgProblemResolver::MakeScores() () |
| 02:47.48 | Kobra | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.51 | themill | Kobra: what did debsums say? |
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| 02:49.23 | Kobra | can't install it, ran into an issue where it wanted me to remove a dependancy |
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| 02:49.41 | themill | "it".. "a dependency" |
| 02:50.42 | Kobra | alreight |
| 02:50.44 | Kobra | alright |
| 02:50.45 | Kobra | fixed it |
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| 02:51.01 | Kobra | rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
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| 02:54.34 | leoleo11 | how do i scroll back the terminal to see text i havent seen? |
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| 02:54.55 | dvs | leoleo11: Shift+PgUp |
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| 02:57.07 | leoleo11 | dvs: doesnt worj in tmux |
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| 03:05.07 | gr33n7007h | leoleo11, ctrl+shift+up-arrow |
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| 03:05.41 | leoleo11 | i found a way |
| 03:06.13 | leoleo11 | ctrl_b shift_pgup |
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| 03:08.30 | Alejandro50 | hola, alguien habla español? |
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| 03:10.55 | Alejandro50 | hi |
| 03:11.57 | dvs | !es |
| 03:11.57 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 03:12.56 | Alejandro50 | gracias |
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| 03:41.22 | Dan39 | using wheezy on ovh server. i just installed xfce4 and vnc4server. when going to configure display it tells me "system is using RandR 1.1, for display settings to work version 1.2 is required' |
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| 03:41.46 | Dan39 | libxrandr2 Version: 2:1.3.2-2+deb7u1 |
| 03:41.56 | Dan39 | sooooo 1.3 seems like at least 1.2 haha |
| 03:42.03 | m_billybob | is amazed at how easy it is to put the netinst iso onto a keychain and function properly |
| 03:45.16 | m_billybob | yeah no more magic hand waving, just dd it on, and put non-free firmware files onto another USB key and viola - done |
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| 03:49.03 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 03:49.10 | Dan39 | must be something with vnc |
| 03:49.18 | Dan39 | xrandr says "server randr version before 1.2" |
| 03:49.36 | Dan39 | guess i can just use xrandr to change settings |
| 03:49.37 | m_billybob | what does aptitude say ? |
| 03:49.48 | Dan39 | libxrandr2 Version: 2:1.3.2-2+deb7u1 |
| 03:49.51 | Dan39 | 1.3 <_< |
| 03:50.08 | m_billybob | no borked packages ? |
| 03:50.13 | Dan39 | xfce4 display settings says it "randr version is 1.1, requires randr at least 1.2" |
| 03:50.20 | Dan39 | no |
| 03:50.56 | m_billybob | odd, although ive run into this problem before but with different packages. normally relating to dev stuff |
| 03:51.06 | Dan39 | my guess is vnc loads its own randr lib |
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| 03:52.34 | m_billybob | thinks its about chocolate milk time |
| 03:52.45 | themill | last time I looked, vnc practically embedded an entire copy the X source code |
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| 03:57.18 | Dan39 | ugh this is why im not a big fan of vnc. too bad NX/x2go cant screen share |
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| 04:07.51 | Xavier89 | help! http://paste.debian.net/41004/ |
| 04:10.44 | themill | Xavier89: that's completely the wrong url for deb-multimedia.org. (Also, are you sure you actually need to use that crap?) |
| 04:13.25 | Xavier89 | themill, I need it for plugins and multimedia codecs |
| 04:14.22 | themill | Given that you managed to copy a sources.list entry that was several years out of date, are you sure your information about needing it for multimedia isn't also out of date? |
| 04:16.02 | Xavier89 | themill, of http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 04:16.56 | themill | yeah, that website is full of utterly insane crap |
| 04:17.16 | n0c | hi, having a heck of a time... I'm trying to determine the current probed 'Identifier' for my device section in xorg.conf so I can go manually set an Option |
| 04:17.24 | n0c | I am not seeing it in Xorg.0.log |
| 04:18.17 | n0c | i see 'Screen 0' in xrandr output but i believe the section of the xorg.conf i need isn't the screen but is the actual video device / card |
| 04:18.34 | themill | Xavier89: if the maintainer of that website can't get the URL right for deb-multimedia.org, why do you believe anything on it? Please don't use debgen, it writes poor sources.list files with errors on them and encourages you to do silly things with your debian box |
| 04:19.06 | n0c | i.e, where the driver is "radeon" |
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| 04:20.44 | Xavier89 | themill ok and something like "media should" reliable ? |
| 04:20.56 | pankid | faster than light steam key for anyone who wants it |
| 04:20.57 | pankid | FPM3K-Z5AXK-W9LJQ |
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| 04:21.18 | themill | pankid: wrong channel |
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| 04:23.01 | Xavier89 | themill, something like debian multimedia ? dependable |
| 04:23.11 | themill | Xavier89: how about "debian"? |
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| 04:25.19 | Xavier89 | themill, you say so because it is not free ? |
| 04:25.55 | themill | Xavier89: no, deb-multimedia.org has poor quality packages that actively try to break the packages that you have already installed. |
| 04:26.21 | Xavier89 | ok |
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| 04:28.11 | ryan42 | decided to go ahead and upgrade to Debian 7 |
| 04:28.26 | ryan42 | 5.5 hours later... stilll going. |
| 04:29.04 | aypea[1] | wow. from what? potato? |
| 04:29.12 | ryan42 | 6 |
| 04:29.20 | aypea[1] | is it still downloading packages? |
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| 04:29.43 | ryan42 | Things don't go too quickly on 180MHz machines |
| 04:29.50 | aypea[1] | fair call. |
| 04:29.58 | aypea[1] | was wondering as it takes me 2 hours, with cleanup. |
| 04:30.10 | ryan42 | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-powerpc |
| 04:30.25 | ryan42 | this bit has been at it for probably 5 minutes now alone |
| 04:30.30 | somiaj | not surprised |
| 04:30.34 | aypea[1] | heh |
| 04:30.52 | aypea[1] | I have some powerpc boxes but... I can't think of a reason to turn them on |
| 04:31.02 | ryan42 | which? |
| 04:31.12 | aypea[1] | macs. pre osX ones |
| 04:31.16 | ryan42 | that's what this is |
| 04:31.30 | ryan42 | I also have a Pre-PowerPC POWER machine |
| 04:31.33 | n0c | hi, having a heck of a time... I'm trying to determine the current probed 'Identifier' for my device section in xorg.conf so I can go manually set an Option |
| 04:31.42 | n0c | I am not seeing it in Xorg.0.log |
| 04:31.43 | ryan42 | 25 MHz POWER CPU |
| 04:31.47 | n0c | i see 'Screen 0' in xrandr output but i believe the section of the xorg.conf i need isn't the screen but is the actual video device / card |
| 04:31.51 | aypea[1] | yeah. when a new intel box is a few hundred and it beats the pants off of that harware... i'd rather just spend the money |
| 04:31.55 | ryan42 | runs AIX as that's all that was ever compiled for POWER afaik |
| 04:32.06 | Xavier89 | themill, ok, remove "debian multimedia" of sources.list |
| 04:32.12 | aypea[1] | ryan42: is it useful, though? |
| 04:32.24 | ryan42 | as an object of curiosity |
| 04:32.29 | aypea[1] | :) |
| 04:32.33 | aypea[1] | fair enough. :) |
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| 04:33.44 | ryan42 | its pretty cool to look at a machine that can get online, multitask, run a GUI at 1280x1024 in full color... then realize that the machine was made in 1990 |
| 04:34.20 | Xavier89 | themill, thanks |
| 04:34.31 | aypea[1] | ryan42: yup. every now and then I get the urge to hit ebay and look for amiga 4000s. the idea of emulators kills that for me, though |
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| 04:35.00 | ryan42 | 'course I think the machine I have cost someone (not me, for sure) like $20k when it was new. |
| 04:35.01 | nonconvergent | Anyone know what I need to access vrdp on my virtual box VMs? Both host and remote machine are debian, not that the guests necessarily are. |
| 04:35.14 | ryan42 | Amiga had some pretty cool stuff |
| 04:35.19 | aypea[1] | ja. |
| 04:35.22 | ryan42 | Video Toaster! |
| 04:35.27 | nonconvergent | I'm reading the wikie page now, but I don't know how out of date it is. |
| 04:35.40 | m_billybob | ryan42, until you get your hands on a modern icore machine that blows it out of the water ;) |
| 04:35.50 | ryan42 | i have me one of those too |
| 04:36.25 | m_billybob | I have an old compaq with a 400Mhz PII on it that still runs sarge(testing) form hell idk many moons ago |
| 04:36.53 | m_billybob | 5,6 7 years ago ? *shrug* |
| 04:36.57 | ryan42 | heh |
| 04:37.14 | ryan42 | my 400 MHz PII is running Win2K Adv Server right now |
| 04:37.20 | m_billybob | puttign wheezy on a lady friend's -> sons netbook right now |
| 04:37.21 | ryan42 | I think. |
| 04:37.27 | aypea[1] | hahaha. someone wants $1k for an a4000/040. |
| 04:37.44 | ryan42 | the last time I touched the machine was probably over five years ago but it is still turned on |
| 04:37.57 | m_billybob | installign lxde for the very first time |
| 04:38.11 | m_billybob | im mostly a cli type person |
| 04:38.21 | ryan42 | wow RDP'd right in. "Your password is expired and must be changed." well I should think so. |
| 04:38.39 | m_billybob | heh |
| 04:38.48 | m_billybob | ancient system |
| 04:39.14 | ryan42 | I need to take a pic of the AIX machine at a client's place before we decomission it |
| 04:39.23 | ryan42 | at uptime |
| 04:39.26 | ryan42 | I think it's over 800 days now. |
| 04:39.48 | m_billybob | got any SPARC's or Indies ? |
| 04:40.03 | ryan42 | one SPARC. I want an SGI (Octane 2) |
| 04:40.18 | m_billybob | i miss SGI their stuff was always so awesome |
| 04:40.21 | ryan42 | the SPARC I finally had to power off because it was so loud and power hungry |
| 04:40.25 | m_billybob | never got the chanceto touch one |
| 04:40.34 | m_billybob | heh |
| 04:40.47 | ryan42 | dual CPU UltraSPARC III |
| 04:40.58 | m_billybob | 30K $$ rig ? |
| 04:41.08 | ryan42 | I paid $40 for it |
| 04:41.12 | m_billybob | heh |
| 04:41.13 | ryan42 | five years ago? |
| 04:41.21 | Dan39 | hmm why does the default .profile set PATH variable not using export? in my experience environment variable like that always been set using export |
| 04:41.38 | ryan42 | maybe? I dunno. It's a dual 900 and has 8 GB of RAM, two 74.6 GB hard drives. |
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| 04:41.55 | m_billybob | yikes that used to be a beast |
| 04:42.10 | ryan42 | it also has two nearly kilowatt power supplies and a fan array that Sun Microsystems fished out of the river styx on friday the 13th |
| 04:42.12 | m_billybob | UWSCSI ? |
| 04:42.17 | ryan42 | FibreChannel |
| 04:42.55 | ryan42 | I switched the machine to FreeBSD after Oracle bought Sun and dropped support for sun4u architecture |
| 04:43.10 | m_billybob | Now days $$800 worth of setup will beat the crap out of it |
| 04:43.31 | ryan42 | in raw power, yea. probably not stability :-) |
| 04:43.42 | m_billybob | depends. |
| 04:43.56 | ryan42 | seems like all my non-x86 stuff still works fine and most of the x86 stuff has passed on after not too long |
| 04:44.03 | m_billybob | I have a $45 arm dev board here that might rival it in stability |
| 04:44.27 | ryan42 | I wanna get something like that eventually |
| 04:44.54 | m_billybob | Beaglebone black put debian arch fedora *cough*ubuntu*cough* or whatever yo uwant on it |
| 04:45.08 | m_billybob | BSD i think runs on it nearly out of the box |
| 04:45.23 | m_billybob | but im a long time debian user nothign else for me |
| 04:45.24 | ryan42 | i almost bought some embedded board at a swap meet |
| 04:45.35 | ryan42 | but I had no idea what it was |
| 04:45.40 | m_billybob | lol |
| 04:45.43 | m_billybob | lesse |
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| 04:45.58 | ryan42 | it had SCSI, IDE, and a strange Zilog chip on it |
| 04:46.07 | ryan42 | but copyright dates on most chips were 2005 |
| 04:46.29 | m_billybob | http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black |
| 04:46.41 | m_billybob | at $45 cant go wrong really |
| 04:46.50 | ryan42 | 64 or 32 bit ARM? |
| 04:47.16 | m_billybob | its an am335x processor 32bit i believe |
| 04:47.33 | ryan42 | yea 32 bit |
| 04:47.39 | aypea[1] | quietly wishes for gigeth. |
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| 04:48.02 | ryan42 | I quietly wish for 10GigE |
| 04:48.13 | ryan42 | actually , i wish for that not so quietly |
| 04:48.17 | ryan42 | someone give me 10GigE! |
| 04:48.23 | m_billybob | one of the cool thigns about it is that it has two PRU's on it, which are akin to something like mini cortex M0+ cores on it, but they can operate indepentantly of the OS |
| 04:48.46 | ryan42 | huh. interesting. |
| 04:49.00 | m_billybob | its similar to a rpi, but better in many ways, has worse graphics though |
| 04:49.14 | m_billybob | powerVR SGZ530 |
| 04:49.20 | m_billybob | SGX* |
| 04:49.21 | ryan42 | If i got something like that there's a very small likelyhood that I would direct-attach a display |
| 04:49.36 | m_billybob | i run mine headless |
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| 04:49.51 | m_billybob | light server like duties it whats it is good for IMHO |
| 04:49.59 | ryan42 | not counting laptops I only have displays attached to 2 computers at my house, out of probably 10 that are running |
| 04:50.07 | m_billybob | going ot turn mine into a linux appliance |
| 04:50.22 | r3m | ya mal a plote |
| 04:50.41 | ryan42 | that's what I use this PowerPC for... little server stuff, SSH gateway, znc, irssi, etc |
| 04:51.04 | m_billybob | im testign out nodejs for the backend |
| 04:51.22 | m_billybob | this is going ot keep my spare time occupied for a while i think |
| 04:51.27 | ryan42 | i know little about nodejs but have you seen the hilarious xtranormla vid someone made? |
| 04:51.37 | rryoumaa | what usually lies behind flaky sound? a reboot has caused no sound to happen, but it worked before. a restart of pulseaudio and alsa-utils has caused a new, moving bar to show on pavucontrol, but aplay does nothing. |
| 04:51.39 | m_billybob | no |
| 04:52.04 | m_billybob | define "flaky sound" |
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| 04:52.10 | ryan42 | (disclaimer: this does not paint a favorable view of node.js) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg |
| 04:53.15 | m_billybob | ryan42, ah yeah many developers hate javascript, because they dont understand it. Like me comming fro ma C background, and it looking like C, we expect javascript to behave like C |
| 04:53.20 | m_billybob | but it doesnt. |
| 04:53.26 | rryoumaa | m_billybob: when i first tried sound, it did not work. then it worked. then it worked and survived a reboot. then it did /not/ survive a reboot and is not producing sound. and restarting alsa-utils and pulseaudio seems to have changed the pavucontrol gui. that is what i mean by flaky. |
| 04:53.36 | ryan42 | heh. I don't personally have an opinion on it all becuase I undertsand so little of it |
| 04:54.01 | iarinov | how to change gtk application style to oxygen for root running applications? |
| 04:54.18 | rryoumaa | how do i diagnose this? |
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| 04:55.04 | ryan42 | woo apt-get dist-upgrade done |
| 04:55.18 | m_billybob | rryoumaa, unsure . . stating what seems to be the obvious it soudns as though some settings did not persist passed the reboot. |
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| 04:57.10 | rryoumaa | m_billybob: alsamixer is unmuted and at 100, but (this time) does not show pcm or anything. my user is in groups audio, pulse, and pulse-access. i don't know what else to try. |
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| 04:57.21 | m_billybob | ryan42, but yeah, I honestly only have two, well working on a 3rd for a friends son physical NIX boxen here atm, not including the old ancient compaq i havent touched in well over 5 years |
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| 04:58.23 | m_billybob | rryoumaa I honestly dont know. sorry I can not be of more help |
| 04:58.37 | ryan42 | crosses his fingers and reboots this box. |
| 04:58.54 | rryoumaa | maybe i should cross my fingers and reboot, or at least reboot |
| 04:58.57 | rryoumaa | but i just rebooted |
| 04:59.07 | ryan42 | i just replced my kernel :P |
| 05:00.01 | ryan42 | RTOs just started from ping heh |
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| 05:02.31 | m_billybob | ive always had back luck with sound on debian. but i havent run X on any of my own systems in years either |
| 05:02.38 | m_billybob | well perhaps a VM or two |
| 05:02.50 | DANtheBEASTman | is there a way to tell what packages I've installed from which release? I have a couple packages from testing and sid I want to upgrade [i know, i know, mixing releases is bad] |
| 05:03.09 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 05:03.14 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: learn to use aptitude search |
| 05:04.00 | somiaj | if you are running stable you should really learn about backports |
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| 05:04.58 | m_billybob | dpkg -l | grep jessie ? *shrug* |
| 05:04.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep jessie ? *shrug* |
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| 05:05.10 | m_billybob | err ooops |
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| 05:07.13 | rryoumaa | rebooting fixed it. i would really like to know why. |
| 05:07.38 | m_billybob | be glad it works |
| 05:08.11 | m_billybob | glad to hear it works though |
| 05:08.12 | rryoumaa | i am |
| 05:08.14 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 05:13.49 | ryan42 | Ahh frack I forgot I have to copy the kernel image to the jumpstart disk |
| 05:14.50 | qop | hey. I want to now... no run arounds... is there any equivalent under Debian to rpm --rebuilddb && rpm -qa | sort | sed 's/-[0-9].*[0-9]*//g' > filelist.txt |
| 05:15.24 | qop | ^ that is basically... "My whole installation is screwed. kill and rebuild the pkg db and reinstall the whole thing no questions" |
| 05:15.47 | qop | 'cause last time dpkg bugged I spent months of no luck. |
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| 05:18.06 | nonconvergent | Anyone know where I find the vbox extension pack for the 4.1.8 version in Wheezy? |
| 05:18.42 | Konomi | nonconvergent: the virtualbox website |
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| 05:20.25 | nonconvergent | Well that failed. |
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| 06:54.53 | BlinkyBill | For the last two days apt-get and dpkg are broken. Running dpkg --configure -a just goes from one problem to the next. Is there anyway of removing and reinstalling dpkg alltogether? |
| 06:56.01 | themill | it's highly unlikely that it's apt or dpkg that are broken -- it's the package set that you have on your machine that might be in an inconsistent state. Perhaps you can help us understand how this happened to begin with? |
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| 06:57.56 | BlinkyBill | Well... There was an issue installing bind, in that one of the dependancies wouldn't install as an earlier version was required than what the package list offered. So I uninstalled a bunch of packages, and since then have been unable to run an apt-get update. |
| 06:58.10 | BlinkyBill | woops, not bind, samba |
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| 06:59.38 | themill | running which release of debian? |
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| 07:00.08 | BlinkyBill | Well it's actually raspbian, but based on deb 7.0. |
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| 07:00.30 | themill | BlinkyBill: well debian's package set is entirely self consistent. If raspbian's is not, then you need to ask #raspbian |
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| 07:01.03 | BlinkyBill | slaps his forehead |
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| 07:01.18 | BlinkyBill | I didn't even look to see if there was a raspbian channel. Cheers. |
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| 07:10.20 | ryan42 | Hostname: InstaTower.rlntx.net - OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-powerpc/ppc - CPU: IBM PowerPC G3 603ev (180 MHz) - Processes: 73 - Uptime: 1h 21m - Load Average: 0.49 |
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| 07:10.26 | ryan42 | I am victorious. Time for sleep. |
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| 07:15.38 | funfzin | hi guys |
| 07:15.56 | funfzin | I'm trying to sniff my udp traffic doing: sudo tcpflow -i lo -C udp |
| 07:16.14 | funfzin | do you know why it doens't see anything even if using wireshark it does? |
| 07:16.18 | funfzin | thank you in advance |
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| 07:16.34 | jcbjoe | missing operating system |
| 07:16.35 | jcbjoe | nice |
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| 07:17.43 | funfzin | linux of course |
| 07:18.27 | cafuego | you're looking at the loopback interface |
| 07:18.41 | jelly-home | funfzin: does "tcpdump -ni lo udp" work any different? What kind of traffic do you expect to see there? |
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| 07:19.20 | funfzin | cafuego: I know and it is right |
| 07:20.05 | funfzin | jelly-home: one sec.. I need to install tcpdump |
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| 07:21.44 | funfzin | jelly-home: tcpdump shows an output |
| 07:22.03 | jcbjoe | so i think i installed debian on my efi partition and now it won't boot / i just went into rescue mode and pointed the root system to /dev/sda5 where debian is and told it to put grub on /dev/sda with no luck |
| 07:22.04 | funfzin | and it seems correct |
| 07:22.06 | jcbjoe | any ideas on fixing |
| 07:22.20 | jcbjoe | should i point boot to /dev/sda5 where debian is ? |
| 07:23.07 | jelly-home | funfzin: I've never used this tcpflow thing. |
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| 07:38.14 | Cylta | Hi. what is the easiest tool to make one offline non-updatable archive of packets, that I will able to use with apt-get command? |
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| 07:42.54 | Cylta | Ahh, sorry, I just figured out that debian dvd disk is exactly the same thing. (*.deb files are located in /pool, so easy!) |
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| 07:47.50 | adkins | hey y`all: What do u all say about wheezy and gnome 3? do you like it? i installed it yesterday (i used to have squeeze and gnome 2), i didnt like gnome 3 and i didnt get seperated x screens with nvidia working, tried kde and it was so slow that i couldnt do anything, but maybe i installed the wrong nvidia driver. I`m thinking about getting another try. Are there any issues with nvidia and 2 seperated xscreens? which desktop-manager would you p |
| 07:48.40 | Th0rsten | I prefer xfce. loved gnome 2 but 3 just doesn't do it for me |
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| 07:50.40 | adkins | Th0rsten: i see, i dont think i can get used to it either. do you have dual monitor? |
| 07:50.56 | Th0rsten | unfortunately not :/ |
| 07:52.48 | zmode | adkins: i'd assume any decent driver can handle kde. didn't nouveu work for you or do you need to play games etc? |
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| 07:54.17 | adkins | zmode: i dont play games, i just need 2 seperated screens and watch 1080p movies and need digital audio SPDIF. would you say that`ll work with noeveu too? |
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| 07:55.35 | zmode | adkins: i do dual screens and 1080p with an on-board amd card and the open source drivers. so i'd guess you can too. i don't know about audio output but you can always find out |
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| 07:56.50 | adkins | zmode: seperated x screen? do you use gnome3? |
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| 07:57.54 | zmode | adkins: what do you mean separated? second X server? |
| 07:58.22 | james41382 | I run wheezy and gnome 3. I watch movies on my hdtv via hdmi out frequently. I don't have an nvidia display adapter, but i don't have any problems. |
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| 07:58.41 | zmode | adkins: and no i don't use gnome3, but i've ran kde on a netbook so i would be surprised if anything else couldn't run it |
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| 07:59.13 | adkins | zmode: in nvidia-settings you can set up twinView and seperated X Screens....i guess its not really 2 x servers |
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| 08:00.43 | zmode | adkins: my understanding is that twinview is nvidia's idea of xinerama |
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| 08:03.43 | funfzin | jelly-home: thx anytway |
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| 08:04.37 | adkins | zmode: u use dual monitors but you have one main display and extend your desktop to the other right? |
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| 08:10.07 | OpenTokix | TwinView is nvidia cinerama, right - And Secondary X is a whole other X server |
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| 08:12.54 | zmode | adkins: i have no concept of what you call "extending" |
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| 08:13.37 | adkins | OpenTokix: kk |
| 08:13.38 | zmode | adkins: there's a primary and a secondary monitor if that's what you mean |
| 08:14.04 | adkins | you have xinerama right zmode? |
| 08:14.07 | adkins | ;) |
| 08:14.39 | zmode | yes adkins |
| 08:15.20 | adkins | zmode: can you have another mode with nouveu? like 2 seperated screens? |
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| 08:16.13 | zmode | adkins: yes |
| 08:16.28 | adkins | what is its name? |
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| 08:16.57 | zmode | adkins: there is no name. just "separate screens". |
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| 08:17.05 | adkins | k |
| 08:17.19 | zmode | adkins: and it is exactly what it says. separate screens. you can'd move things between them etc |
| 08:17.34 | adkins | zmode: exactly what i want |
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| 08:17.51 | glycol | hi people, does wheezy work with haswell? |
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| 08:18.19 | adkins | zmode: you said "i`ve ran kde" and "i dont use gnome3" so what do u use now? |
| 08:18.43 | glycol | or with jessie's 3.10 kernel? |
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| 08:18.47 | zmode | adkins: i've been using awesome for about 3 years |
| 08:19.08 | adkins | zmode: never heard of that |
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| 08:22.02 | adkins | zmode: interesting....just thinking of getting back to fluxbox |
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| 08:29.24 | jcbjoe | finally my debian install w00t |
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| 08:32.38 | adkins | ok giving wheezy another chance. letz go! ;) |
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| 08:35.47 | adkins | zmode: the nouveu driver is the standard-driver and comes already with wheezy right? |
| 08:36.40 | zmode | adkins: yes |
| 08:36.50 | adkins | thx |
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| 08:49.57 | ptl | hi people. I am trying to dpkg-buildpackage / debuild a package and I am getting this error: dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to repsnapper-0+git20120902.349ce298/libraries/vmmlib/LICENSE: error: new version is plain file error: old version is symlink to include/vmmlib/LICENSE ---- how can I fix it? |
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| 08:51.06 | somiaj | ptl: where did you get the source you are trying to build (i.e. how did you get the debian/ dir in the source) |
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| 08:51.41 | ptl | somiaj: from a PPA (it's ubuntu), I did an apt-get source repsnapper |
| 08:52.01 | themill | notes that there's a newer repsnapper already in debian |
| 08:52.02 | ptl | then cd'ed to the directory |
| 08:52.27 | ptl | hmm |
| 08:52.58 | ptl | do you have the link there? I can try and dpkg-buildpackage this one then |
| 08:53.00 | somiaj | ptl: must be some policy conflict thing. maybe make it back into a symlink |
| 08:53.08 | somiaj | ,v repsnapper |
| 08:53.09 | judd | Package: repsnapper on i386 -- jessie: 0+git20130603.7c690471-1; sid: 0+git20130603.7c690471-1 |
| 08:53.42 | somiaj | ptl: looks like you can get the source from either jessie or sid (I'm assuming you are running wheezy?) |
| 08:53.51 | somiaj | ,check-backport repsnapper |
| 08:53.54 | judd | Backporting package repsnapper in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpangox-1.0-dev. |
| 08:54.24 | somiaj | looks like you are gonna have a little trouble backporting it, might have to backport the libpangox-1.0 package as well |
| 08:55.11 | ptl | somiaj: I am running ubuntu... |
| 08:55.41 | ptl | I am trying to build for a few backlevel distros... ubuntu 12.04 and maybe debian 7.0 |
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| 08:55.56 | ptl | but why does this error appear? |
| 08:56.04 | somiaj | ptl: then why the hell are you asking questions in #debian. Goto #ubuntu and ask them about their packges or ask the people of the PPA what version of ubuntu their packges build against. |
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| 08:57.18 | somiaj | ptl: it seems like some policy issue dealing with using a plain text file vs a link. I'm unsure why it is there, but this is the wrong place for support for that. (: |
| 08:58.19 | ptl | somiaj: because ubuntu guys do not know as much of package building than debian guys. I was sort of 'grown' from debian, then switched to ubuntu. And notwithstanding the differences, I still consider ubuntu a debian derivative |
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| 09:00.52 | somiaj | ptl: anyways if you plan to backport that for debian 7 systems, I would use the sources from jessie or sid as they will comply with debian standards. But as I said it looks like you have to backport a few libaries with that as well. |
| 09:01.08 | somiaj | ptl: as for doign this on ubuntu, I'm not gonna guess what sort of differences there are in their packages and policy (: |
| 09:01.50 | ptl | this newer debian version of repsnapper has some dependencies which prevent its use. Is there any way I can tell debuild or dpkg-buildpackage to ignore these 'unrepresentable changes'? |
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| 09:03.38 | speedfire | Hi everyone some have an idea how to fix this bug: on jessie I don't have right click with my touchpad. it's a Synaptic |
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| 09:03.42 | ptl | somiaj: I am trying to avoid rework... |
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| 09:03.58 | armin | speedfire: i assume it's a clickpad type touchpad? |
| 09:04.36 | somiaj | speedfire: you could scan your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see what it says about your touch pad. Maybe it just isn't detecting it correctly. |
| 09:04.45 | speedfire | I have the touch pad and 2 buttons. And also a small red button to move the pointer and again 2 buttons. But I get the same bug |
| 09:04.58 | ptl | hmmm, dpkg-buildpackage -b seems to have fixed or skipped it. |
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| 09:05.29 | speedfire | So it's just because of the touch pad is not right detected ? |
| 09:05.51 | somiaj | speedfire: that is a place to start looking. xorg tries to detect hardware automatically but sometimes fails |
| 09:06.00 | speedfire | oki |
| 09:06.06 | speedfire | I will try that thank |
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| 09:07.17 | somiaj | speedfire: it could also be a bug within one of the jessie xorg packages. You can check the debian bts see if anyone has reported it. |
| 09:07.24 | somiaj | speedfire: but first I'd try to isolate what is causing the bug. (: |
| 09:07.38 | speedfire | yeah thanks |
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| 09:09.37 | halt | Hi guys, How can i found out about one debian package, what kind of parameters was in use for compile the pacakge ? is this documented somewhere, to be more specific I'm interested about the zabbix-server-mysql ? |
| 09:10.10 | somiaj | halt: the only sure way is to check the source package and see what flags it set up |
| 09:10.36 | somiaj | halt: that aside, you can some times check /usr/share/doc/package-name they sometimes have useful info in there and a change log which may list disabling or enabling certain features |
| 09:10.49 | Slydder | hey all. we just switched out a drive from a degraded raid array but omreport (dell) is still showing a degraded status. how can I check on the array rebuild status of the array? |
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| 09:24.09 | Slydder | so we just did this hot swap of a drive in our dell server and according to "omreport storage pdisk controller=0" it is not being rebuilt. any ideas? |
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| 09:31.55 | dzan | it's a dell optiplex 990 and a 64bit 3.2.0-4 kernel |
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| 09:44.43 | jc__ | #flood |
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| 09:46.05 | cryptic | purely hypothetically speaking, how might one reverse rm -rf /usr/lib/python{2.6,2.7,3} ? |
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| 09:47.44 | somiaj | cryptic: reinstall any package that contains files there. |
| 09:47.45 | nkuttler | cryptic: restore your backups. or reinstall the relevant packages |
| 09:48.00 | somiaj | cryptic: you should really let dpkg manage files in /usr |
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| 09:48.21 | cryptic | somiaj: yeah, lesson duly learned |
| 09:48.32 | cryptic | thanks nkuttler, somiaj |
| 09:48.51 | somiaj | cryptic: dpkg -S /usr/lib/python |
| 09:49.16 | somiaj | cryptic: taht should give you a list of all installed packages that had files there. There shoudl'nt be any files there that were not from a package (/usr/local is where you put no debian package files) |
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| 09:50.50 | cryptic | thank you |
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| 09:51.37 | srhb | Hi, I'm running into some issues booting a new Debian stable install on an EFI firmware server. It's a five disk server, and I (optimistically) tried to add them all to a raid6-array and then run LVM on top of that with all Debians partition in a volume group on that raid. Booting it is not possible, it does not find Debian at all. Now I'm wondering if it's because the raid6 + lvm + debian setup is crazy. What's a better way to go ab |
| 09:51.37 | srhb | this? |
| 09:52.08 | somiaj | did you have /boot outside of the lvm? |
| 09:52.34 | srhb | I tried having /boot on a raid1 across all five disks and outside of LVM - no dice. |
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| 09:53.01 | bhuddah | srhb: is it a hardware raid in the server or something other? |
| 09:53.18 | srhb | bhuddah: It's raid from the debian installer, ie. whatever mdadm creates I assume. |
| 09:53.24 | bhuddah | uh |
| 09:53.27 | Stygia | Hey, does anyone know if I can ban a certain application from accessing alsamixer /messing with the sound? VLC keeps turning my speakers up and it's driving me crazy... can I somehow, without grsec or selinux, simply ban VLC from messing with my sound settings?... |
| 09:53.58 | bhuddah | srhb: i think booting from software raid is rather complex. i have to say i have no experience with that. maybe someone else here? |
| 09:54.12 | srhb | That might be the issue I guess. |
| 09:54.21 | somiaj | bhuddah: why is it turing your sound up. sounds like a feature you should be able to disable on VLC |
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| 09:54.33 | srhb | But to be honest I think I'm having issues because of the EFI firmware. I'll attempt installing on just one drive with everything removed I guess. |
| 09:54.41 | Stygia | somiaj, I think you meant that for me? Or? |
| 09:55.03 | somiaj | Stygia: oh yea, for you sorry |
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| 09:55.18 | bhuddah | srhb: please do that... this would be very helpful to see if the machine can boot at all. |
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| 09:55.40 | somiaj | Stygia: You can control which users acess the audio device, but not sure how to do that on the application level |
| 09:55.47 | Stygia | somiaj, Yea, it does, but under the Audio settings section I see nothing relevant... and this is just driving me insane honestly, my speakers don't need to randomly turn on off the office. |
| 09:55.54 | Stygia | somiaj, Yea.... me neither. :? |
| 09:56.07 | srhb | bhuddah: Yeah. Thanks. :) |
| 09:56.12 | somiaj | Stygia: but I think you are going about it the right way trying to do it at the system level. |
| 09:56.18 | somiaj | Stygia: my real suggestion is find another player. (: |
| 09:56.20 | colo-work | what's the dpkg (this channel's bot, not the cli program) command to calculate needed dependencies for a backport of a package from unstable? |
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| 09:57.00 | srhb | Meanwhile, a different question. Is it possible to set up an installer to be run over SSH, and (worse) by setting up a reverse SSH tunnel to break out of a firewalled LAN? |
| 09:57.04 | Stygia | somiaj, Yeh... I would, but I sort of need the ability to open various subtitle and audio tracks at will, since what I'm doing is converting movies for streaming/display... |
| 09:57.45 | somiaj | Stygia: maybe go talk to some vlc people. Again seems like some feature is adjusting the volume. does vlc have a volume bar you use? Or does it have a normalize option under the audio? |
| 09:57.46 | bhuddah | srhb: ssh installer is possible. i don't think the reverse tunneling is an option. |
| 09:58.10 | somiaj | srhb: the debian installer comes with an ssh option. But it does require a few steps by someone on the machine first |
| 09:58.27 | Stygia | somiaj, It has a volume bar, but I don't use it. Tried #vlc, but it's empty.... |
| 09:58.33 | somiaj | (and if your network card requires non-free firmware that as well) |
| 09:58.35 | Stygia | somiaj, I suppose I"ll just accept my early, stress-related death. |
| 09:58.52 | OpenTokix | srhb: Create a preseeded cd that autoinstalls for you if you want ot completely unattended |
| 09:58.53 | srhb | Stygia: #videolan afaik |
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| 09:59.15 | somiaj | Stygia: could the channel be #videolan? |
| 09:59.18 | Stygia | srhb, Ah, fantastic.... |
| 09:59.25 | srhb | OpenTokix: I don't want completely unattended. I want unattended up to network setup, then do the rest over ssh. |
| 09:59.26 | Stygia | Yes, that channel actually has people in it. :) |
| 09:59.28 | Stygia | I'll go ask there, thanks. |
| 09:59.42 | Stygia | I know I could do this with grsec/selinux, but meh. |
| 09:59.46 | Stygia | Not gonna recompile my kernel over this. :P |
| 10:00.13 | somiaj | Stygia: I had a strange idea I think the mixer device is seperate the audio device |
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| 10:00.29 | OpenTokix | srhb: then setup a preseed that does that for you? |
| 10:00.32 | Stygia | somiaj, I'm pretty sure it shouldn't actually tamper with audio settings, though. |
| 10:00.38 | somiaj | Stygia: you could configure udev and give the mixer device a differnt group than the play back device. Butthen you'd have to become root or something to adjust the audio |
| 10:01.00 | somiaj | Stygia: yea that seems strange. you could try lsof and see what is messing with them |
| 10:01.27 | srhb | OpenTokix: I'll try to search for that then. Thank you. |
| 10:01.50 | somiaj | Stygia: but again I'd figure out why vlc is doing it as opposed to tryign to stop it |
| 10:01.58 | srhb | I assume it would be possible to run a simple ssh reverse tunnel command from a pre-seed, too? |
| 10:02.14 | Stygia | somiaj, I'll try at #videolan, thanks. |
| 10:02.38 | colo-work | http://packages.debian.org/jessie/calypso would make a fine wheezy-backports candidate, I think, if anyone who has the powers to make an official one reads this :) |
| 10:02.51 | somiaj | Stygia: but check out ls -l /dev/snd -- I think the control devices are for the mixer. maybe chnaing the group would at least make it so nothing can chagne the volume unless you use root or another user |
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| 10:03.19 | somiaj | colo-work: /msg dpkg ssb -- you can make your own. Provided it has no dependencies that also need backported those instructions are usually good |
| 10:03.41 | colo-work | yes, that's what I do :) |
| 10:03.45 | somiaj | colo-work: I haven't seen any place to suggest a backport. Wonder if the bts wishlist bug would do that |
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| 10:07.46 | jimcooncat | srhb: if you reverse tunnelled from a preseed, it would be poor security without a host key, though unlikely anyone would be able to take advantage of that. |
| 10:09.10 | jimcooncat | srhb: you would also have to do a full automated install I believe, and connect after the reboot |
| 10:09.13 | srhb | jimcooncat: Yes indeed. It would simplify matters right now, and I'm fairly sure no one will actually manage to get onto the installer while I'm managing it. :) Trick is getting it up and running... |
| 10:09.18 | srhb | jimcooncat: Oh, why is that? |
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| 10:10.56 | jimcooncat | srhb: because d-i's ssh doesn't have reverse tunnel option, as far as I know. If you were a programmer you might be able to modify the .udeb though. |
| 10:11.26 | srhb | jimcooncat: I see. Thank you. I guess I might be able to, hm. |
| 10:12.32 | jimcooncat | srhb: I would think a better setup would be to have another running system on that lan do the reverse tunnel, then you could just use the d-i ssh as it was intended on the target system. If that's an option. |
| 10:13.03 | srhb | jimcooncat: That is a great idea. |
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| 10:14.01 | jimcooncat | srhb: also consider using screen or tmux somewhere in there so the install can continue if you get disconnected. |
| 10:14.24 | srhb | jimcooncat: That will have to be available on the actual installer, right? |
| 10:14.50 | somiaj | I think he was talking about using it on the middle machine. |
| 10:14.53 | jimcooncat | srhb: I would think you'd use screen on the system that's doing your reverse proxy |
| 10:15.28 | jimcooncat | s/proxy/tunnel |
| 10:15.49 | srhb | jimcooncat: But then if that gets disconnected from the installer, I won't be able to reattach it, will I? |
| 10:16.32 | jimcooncat | srhb: that's true, but you shouldn't have flakiness within your remote lan. |
| 10:16.49 | srhb | OK. :) |
| 10:16.59 | jimcooncat | trips over the cat5 |
| 10:17.41 | srhb | Putting on my thinking hat and trying to figure out how to do all this. Thanks to everyone, you've put my friends' accusations that #debian users are hostile elitists to shame. |
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| 10:22.25 | somiaj | srhb: I think #debian usually tries to help people who use debian. (: |
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| 10:47.33 | phantomcircuit | er nvm |
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| 10:50.35 | dzan | hi, I'm running into this problem: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/XPS630i/wheezy but adding the "mem" argument doesn't fix it, any ideas? |
| 10:50.36 | dzan | it's a dell optiplex 990 and a 64bit 3.2.0-4 kernel |
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| 10:54.10 | sunbeam | how can i find out what SMTP util is running and how can I restart it? |
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| 10:55.03 | srhb | lsof -Pnl +M -i4 | grep 25 - maybe? |
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| 10:58.19 | sunbeam | srhb: there is no result there |
| 10:58.27 | srhb | sunbeam: Or maybe better, netstat -tun | grep 25 |
| 10:58.54 | sunbeam | neither |
| 10:59.01 | srhb | sunbeam: Running that as root? |
| 10:59.55 | srhb | sunbeam: actually make that -tlpn |
| 11:00.48 | srhb | sunbeam: If you don't get a result there, then no smtp server is listening on port 22, so none is running, presumably. |
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| 11:01.37 | sunbeam | sec |
| 11:01.56 | srhb | port 25* |
| 11:02.09 | sunbeam | srhb: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2071/master |
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| 11:02.50 | grzeslaw | hello |
| 11:02.51 | jelly | sunbeam: looks like postfix, lsof -np 2071 to look at which binary file(s) are in use by that process |
| 11:02.56 | srhb | sunbeam: Sounds like postfix |
| 11:03.07 | lazors | Hi. I have an annoying stuck service and I'm not sure why. I was making few changes with exports + autofs. I get [....] Starting automount... -- It should be started immediately. What can I do? I'm wondering if it had something to do with permissions or something else. Suggestions? |
| 11:03.17 | sunbeam | srhb: jelly: thanks |
| 11:03.20 | sunbeam | how can I restart postfix best? |
| 11:03.25 | grzeslaw | how can I determine if my debian is running inetd or xinetd ? ps ax|grep inet show nothing .. |
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| 11:03.31 | srhb | sunbeam: /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
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| 11:04.16 | grzeslaw | and there is also not /etc/xinet.d/ and /etc/inetd.conf |
| 11:04.18 | grzeslaw | weird.. |
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| 11:05.00 | jelly | grzeslaw: there is no inetd by default; openbsd-inetd is the one that gets pulled in by services that need it, by default |
| 11:05.35 | jelly | judd: whatprovides inet-superserver |
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| 11:05.42 | judd | Package inet-superserver in wheezy/i386 is provided by: inetutils-inetd, rlinetd, openbsd-inetd, xinetd. |
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| 11:06.17 | grzeslaw | hhm.. yes, I know... but I do not have that package in my os... |
| 11:06.18 | speedfire | Hey guys, for my bug of the right click. I was trying this command but that didn't work dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 11:06.44 | grzeslaw | I know that few years ago, debian was using both xinetd and inetd.. and we could choose enable or disable.. |
| 11:06.59 | grzeslaw | so now I am wondering. what is using my current debian.. |
| 11:07.03 | jelly | grzeslaw: and now NONE of them is installed by default. |
| 11:07.04 | grzeslaw | more how to determine it ;] |
| 11:07.14 | grzeslaw | I see |
| 11:07.26 | grzeslaw | jelly: thx |
| 11:08.06 | grzeslaw | I was wondering cause I am prepering to LPI.. and there is a question like that.. and when I check in on my debian I discover there is no (x)inetd. services, hehe |
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| 11:12.45 | jelly | grzeslaw: every package providing that functionality also has to Provide "inet-superserver" virtual package. That way, you can look if there's _anything_ providing inet-superserver actually installed |
| 11:12.47 | jelly | grzeslaw: aptitude search '~Pinet-superserver' |
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| 11:13.50 | grzeslaw | thx jelly |
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| 11:15.32 | Harzilein | hi |
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| 11:20.34 | Harzilein | is it always wrong to have a debian/changelog.Debian instead of a debian/changelog? from the perspective of debuild/dpkg-buildpackage, it clearly appears that way. an example third party source package repo that does this: https://github.com/proxmox/pve-manager |
| 11:20.55 | sunbeam | thanks srhb |
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| 11:24.31 | idioterna | hi, /usr/include/stdc-predefs.h went missing from libc6-dev some time ago, where can i read up on what replaces it? |
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| 11:25.31 | SagarG | Wheezy is better over Squeeze for a VPS? |
| 11:25.48 | SagarG | @wheezy |
| 11:25.52 | cast | yes |
| 11:25.52 | SagarG | ?wheezy |
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| 11:26.45 | SagarG | what's the best sources.list for updating that to Debian 7 |
| 11:27.01 | jelly | SagarG: updating what to debian 7? |
| 11:27.13 | cast | guessing his squeeze VPS install |
| 11:27.34 | jelly | doesn't want to guess |
| 11:28.09 | SagarG | Since i am facing while installing mysql-server and mysql-devel using apt-get |
| 11:28.35 | SagarG | cast : Yes my VPS provider give me Debian 6 64 bit squeeze |
| 11:28.48 | cast | who is your vps provider? |
| 11:28.56 | SagarG | 24shells |
| 11:29.03 | jelly | SagarG: ok. Which kernel do you have on your VPS? What does uname -a say? |
| 11:29.26 | SagarG | Kernel and CPULinux 2.6.32-042stab075.2 on x86_64 |
| 11:29.40 | cast | i feel if your VPS doesn't suck they should offer wheezy already, i'd plan to switch VPSs |
| 11:29.51 | cast | VPS provider* |
| 11:30.04 | jelly | SagarG: ok, that sounds fresh enough to support wheezy userspace. |
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| 11:30.25 | jelly | dpkg, tell SagarG about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 11:30.32 | SagarG | jelly : Can you provide me best sources.list |
| 11:30.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell SagarG about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 11:30.44 | Sakara | ls |
| 11:30.47 | SagarG | i tried that up but came to a normal fail on that while MySQL |
| 11:30.50 | Sakara | oops :) |
| 11:31.00 | jelly | SagarG: read carefully what dpkg told you in private messages |
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| 11:32.20 | SagarG | jelly : i read that so what does that want up to? |
| 11:33.07 | SagarG | Since let me tell you i am particular trying to install powerdns and poweradmin to set my own nameservers |
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| 11:35.27 | jelly | powerdns auth ought to work on wheezy |
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| 11:37.14 | SagarG | jelly : That means? |
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| 11:39.32 | SagarG | jelly : it means powerdns and poweradmin will work on Debian? |
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| 11:41.55 | jelly | SagarG: powerdns, both auth and recursor, are present in debian 7, so presumably they work. Haven't tried poweradmin. |
| 11:42.40 | SagarG | Ok |
| 11:43.19 | jelly | ,v pdns-server |
| 11:43.20 | judd | Package: pdns-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2.9.22-8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.9.22-8+squeeze1; jessie: 3.1-4; sid: 3.1-4; wheezy: 3.1-4; experimental: 3.3-1~exp1 |
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| 11:43.43 | SagarG | ok :) |
| 11:43.45 | SagarG | Thanks |
| 11:43.50 | SagarG | Let me do a fresh install |
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| 11:49.24 | jelly | to be honest my recursors and test pdns-auth installations are still on squeeze, but not intentionally |
| 11:50.02 | SagarG | ,v recursors |
| 11:50.03 | judd | No package named 'recursors' was found in i386. |
| 11:50.08 | SagarG | ,v pdns-auth |
| 11:50.09 | judd | No package named 'pdns-auth' was found in i386. |
| 11:50.14 | SagarG | ,v auth |
| 11:50.15 | judd | No package named 'auth' was found in i386. |
| 11:50.32 | jelly | SagarG: please stop. The package name is "pdns-server". |
| 11:50.41 | SagarG | ok sorry |
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| 11:50.54 | jelly | and "pdns-recursor" for the other one |
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| 11:51.53 | SagarG | ,v pdns-recursor |
| 11:51.54 | judd | Package: pdns-recursor on i386 -- squeeze: 3.2-4; wheezy: 3.3-3; jessie: 3.5.2-2; sid: 3.5.2-2 |
| 11:51.54 | babilen | SagarG: You might also want to look into unbound and nsd for good alternatives |
| 11:52.01 | SagarG | ok |
| 11:52.19 | SagarG | @babilaen : unbound and nsd : whats that |
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| 11:53.24 | jelly | babilen: "good?" |
| 11:53.33 | babilen | SagarG: DNS server implementation by NLNet. Some of the root servers run on NSD and unbound is the recursive-only, caching side to it while nsd is the authoratitive one .. |
| 11:53.43 | jelly | that would be implying pdns was lessgood |
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| 11:53.57 | babilen | jelly: You don't think that unbound and nsd are good? |
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| 11:54.24 | jelly | babilen: both were missing features a couple years back when I considered them. |
| 11:54.29 | babilen | I have no experience with pdns, but I like unbound and nsd.. so I am simply making a statement about those two rather than saying that pdns is bad. |
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| 11:55.13 | jelly | actually, haven't investigated unbound at all since pdns-recursor was good enough |
| 11:56.10 | babilen | jelly: DNSSEC is well supported by the name servers from NLNet and everything that is good enough to be used as a root server is good enough for me. What features where missing? (if you remember?) |
| 11:56.41 | babilen | s/where/were :-( |
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| 11:57.28 | jelly | babilen: some particularities in the backend, probably |
| 11:58.37 | babilen | okay, i'm happily running unbound locally on my box as a recursor and have read good things about nsd but haven't deployed that yet (we used bind back in the day, but they switched to nsd after I left) |
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| 12:00.25 | babilen | Word of mouth about both are: Good and maintainable codebase, very fast, best DNSSEC implementation, good separation of concerns due to the split for recursor/authoritative .. |
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| 12:02.47 | mrtnt | Hi, I received a /24 publicly routable IPv4 allocation from my ISP. Is there a way to check that previous user of those addresses(if there was any) is not black-listed by spam-lists? I used Spamhaus search, but this allows to search only one address at the time. Is there a method to reach a network range? In addition, should I use Spamhaus for this or some other similar service? |
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| 12:06.07 | jelly | mrtnt: check all the 254 addresses, slowly |
| 12:06.25 | jelly | it's a) not that much, b) not a #debian question |
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| 12:08.26 | babilen | mrtnt: There is ##networking that would be more than happy to sort you out I guess |
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| 12:08.50 | sequantz | hi |
| 12:09.12 | sequantz | how i should partition my HD 750gb to install wheezy? |
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| 12:09.21 | sequantz | any proposition? |
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| 12:10.00 | abrotman | sequantz: if you don't know, just do it all one bit / |
| 12:10.07 | jelly | babilen: networking probably doesn't care about efficient RBL lookup |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | big |
| 12:10.23 | Th0masR0ss | I've got a \0! |
| 12:10.27 | Th0masR0ss | runs |
| 12:10.42 | nevyn | sequantz: use lvm 20gig for / and 100gig for /home ? then leave the rest free for whatever at some later date. |
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| 12:11.01 | sequantz | abrotman: i know, but i don't know how many gb set to /, /home and /swap |
| 12:11.24 | abrotman | so use one big / .. o |
| 12:11.30 | srhb | When I select a sata device in partman I can't seem to choose whether to create an MBR partition table or a GPT one. Is there some trick? |
| 12:11.38 | abrotman | sequantz: if you really don't know, use / to 50GB, and the rest to /home/ |
| 12:11.41 | jelly | sequantz: two partitions, a 200MB /boot, a large one for LVM, set up 20GB for /, 1-2GB for swap, don't split /home right from the start |
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| 12:11.57 | jelly | leave the rest of the LVM PV _unused_ |
| 12:12.07 | sequantz | ok |
| 12:12.10 | nevyn | likes spliting /home |
| 12:12.39 | jelly | that can easily be done later; undoing it, esp. without LVM, is a PITA |
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| 12:14.09 | speedfire | So someone have any idea how to fix the right click bug on Jessie with a synaptic touchpad ? |
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| 12:15.09 | jelly | speedfire: which bug number is that? |
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| 12:15.42 | speedfire | I don't know, the bug is juste that I don't have any right click uneder Jessie. :-s |
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| 12:18.35 | achadwick | speedfire: hardware button or 2+ finger touch? |
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| 12:19.09 | achadwick | (button works for me, I'll try multi-finger touch when I get back to my laptop) |
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| 12:20.29 | speedfire | Hum THe machine is a Lenovo W520. So I have a touchpad with 2 hardware buttons, and a Red button to move the pointer with also 2 buttons |
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| 12:20.54 | speedfire | It's a Synaptic touchpad |
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| 12:22.48 | srhb | Apparently the trick to force a GPT partition table is to enter expert mode. |
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| 12:29.42 | CatalinMVP | can anyone tell me how can i export "last" which displays last logged users in html format? they show in one line.. all, i want exactly like in bash |
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| 12:31.57 | abrotman | that was neat .. /me looks at idoru |
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| 12:34.03 | speedfire | any idea about the right click problem under jessie ? |
| 12:34.10 | kyze | anyone ever used ubuntu server ? is it worth a try or is debian better ? |
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| 12:36.55 | cantoma | hey guys, is it possible to install debian without using a cd-player or an usb pen or any other method that requires additional hardware. I would like to know if it is possible by using some sort of a partition where I would place all the ISO unzipped. |
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| 12:37.45 | rabbieth | cantoma: boot from network |
| 12:38.09 | cantoma | rabbieth, how is that done? |
| 12:38.43 | ksk | !tell cantoma about pxe |
| 12:38.52 | rabbieth | in this case you will need to bring up a boot-server, configure dhcp-server, tell your machine to boot from the network (if it can), etc |
| 12:39.10 | cantoma | ksk wants you to know: Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>. |
| 12:39.31 | cantoma | ksk, but what does the above means ?? |
| 12:39.50 | cantoma | rabbieth, but do i need extra hardware? |
| 12:39.54 | ksk | its used for booting via network, use google. |
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| 12:40.53 | rabbieth | cantoma: you don't need any additional hardware, only a second server on the net |
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| 12:41.06 | cantoma | rabbieth, but how do i get that? |
| 12:41.38 | cantoma | ksk, is there an how to in the internet how to setup a PXE ? |
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| 12:41.44 | cantoma | ksk, i could not find it yet |
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| 12:42.13 | rabbieth | cantoma: there should be a howto :P |
| 12:42.45 | srhb | cantoma: Yes, you can do almost as you asked. It is indeed possible to place the netinstall image (or whichever) on a partition and make it bootable. |
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| 12:42.58 | srhb | cantoma: Not by simply extracting the ISO's files though |
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| 12:43.14 | cantoma | srhb, hmmm |
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| 12:43.28 | cantoma | rabbieth, but do i need an extra server for that?? i mean extra hardware? |
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| 12:43.48 | cantoma | rabbieth, remember that I said that extra hardware is out of my requirements |
| 12:43.55 | srhb | cantoma: Just one other computer, laptop, anything. |
| 12:44.08 | cantoma | srhb, i don't have |
| 12:44.18 | rabbieth | cantoma: you don't need anything extra if you already have another machine :P |
| 12:44.19 | cantoma | maybe my smartphone |
| 12:44.19 | rabbieth | sad |
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| 12:44.31 | cantoma | rabbieth, i just have this machine |
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| 12:45.25 | rabbieth | very sad. well, i remember a long time ago there was a howto in freebsd's handbook on how to install it to the other partition from an existing system |
| 12:45.36 | rabbieth | so i guess there should be something like that for debian too |
| 12:45.46 | rabbieth | but i never done that |
| 12:45.48 | cantoma | hmmm |
| 12:46.12 | cantoma | it would be nice if i could just create another partition .. place there the netinstall iso and then ask my system to boot it |
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| 12:46.52 | srhb | cantoma: What system are you currently running? |
| 12:47.05 | rabbieth | you can always install some fancy bootloader which can boot from iso-images. there should be some stuff like that |
| 12:47.08 | cantoma | srhb, debian wheezy |
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| 12:47.48 | srhb | Indeed, what rabbieth said. |
| 12:47.51 | kyze | cantoma s booting from usb a possibility ? |
| 12:48.11 | cantoma | kyze, well I was trying to avoid that |
| 12:48.27 | cantoma | kyze, i only have one usb and is full of stuff |
| 12:48.51 | srhb | cantoma: Seems simpler to make a backup partition for the USB stuff, then use the usb drive to boot from, then restore the usb stuff. :-) |
| 12:48.54 | kyze | cantoma ah alright, overrad that in the first statement |
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| 12:49.21 | srhb | Mind you'll probably be able to fit the netinstall image and "all the stuff" on the usb drive. |
| 12:49.41 | cantoma | ok I found UNetbootin |
| 12:49.57 | cantoma | it claims to do this with an USB and also with hard disk |
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| 12:50.02 | bezaban | unetbootin is very straight forward to use :) |
| 12:50.23 | abrotman | it's very broken, please don't use it |
| 12:50.32 | cantoma | http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Boot-ISO-Images-from-Your-Hard-Drive-190443.shtml |
| 12:50.33 | jelly | bezaban: if often fails to work with debian images |
| 12:50.34 | srhb | abrotman: How so? |
| 12:50.39 | abrotman | srhb: it doesn't work |
| 12:50.40 | srhb | Oh. |
| 12:50.44 | abrotman | about 50% of the time |
| 12:50.49 | bezaban | jelly: oh. never knew, worked fine the times I've used it |
| 12:50.57 | srhb | Yeah, I've not had issues either. Strange. |
| 12:50.59 | abrotman | bezaban: you were lucky |
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| 12:51.06 | jelly | yeah, worked for me 1/3 times, then I stopped |
| 12:51.11 | bezaban | abrotman: good to know |
| 12:51.17 | srhb | jelly: What do you use instead? |
| 12:51.30 | jelly | srhb: dump the image directly to the usb stick |
| 12:51.31 | abrotman | win32diskimager supposedly works better |
| 12:51.52 | srhb | jelly: I see, wasn't sure they'd be bootable then. |
| 12:51.55 | kyze | why not use cp ? |
| 12:52.20 | jelly | srhb: they are. |
| 12:52.20 | abrotman | kyze: from windows? |
| 12:52.44 | bezaban | linuxliveusb.com works too, adds in a portable version of virtualbox if you don't want to/can boot it. Only has live images though I think |
| 12:52.53 | jelly | srhb: that's what the installation guide tells one to do |
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| 12:53.07 | srhb | jelly: guides schmides. :-) |
| 12:53.17 | kyze | abrotman whoops never tried that actually, although i doubt it works there |
| 12:53.37 | abrotman | kyze: first problem "cp: command not found" :) |
| 12:55.06 | jelly | abrotman: step 0) install SfU or Cygwin |
| 12:55.12 | jelly | hides |
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| 12:58.42 | abrotman | jelly: i'm well aware |
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| 12:59.01 | abrotman | jelly: though i can't recall if cygwin knows about usb devices as /dev/sdb, etc |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | (and I'm pretty sure SfU is long dead?) |
| 13:00.20 | jelly | it's just renamed. |
| 13:00.40 | CuteAlien | Hi! Some update in the last 2 weeks seems to have broken the functionality of my Wacom Bamboo pad. Hardware still ok (works on another system), but on Debian it suddenly only moves the cursor to the top-left corner - doing nothing else. Tablet settings dialog shows nothing changed or strange. Anyone has an idea how I can figure out what's suddenly broken? |
| 13:00.42 | abrotman | ah, haven't really used Windows in a few years |
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| 13:00.55 | abrotman | CuteAlien: update to what? |
| 13:01.10 | CuteAlien | abrotman, just usual dist-upgrades which I always run |
| 13:01.16 | CuteAlien | no idea which one it could have been |
| 13:01.34 | abrotman | dist-upgrade to which version of Linux? |
| 13:02.03 | CuteAlien | just: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. In debian stable. |
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| 13:02.27 | nighter_ | Hi, how can you escape an "%" in a spec file in %file section when you do an rpmbuild? rpmbuild handles it as an macro :( |
| 13:02.38 | nighter_ | have filenames that have "%" |
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| 13:03.04 | CuteAlien | I don't know what it was. The question is really only about - how can I figure out what's broken... any ideas welcome. |
| 13:03.18 | themill | nighter_: wrong channel? |
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| 13:04.17 | abrotman | CuteAlien: lookat your package installation logs in /var/log |
| 13:04.40 | babilen | CuteAlien: In particular /var/log/apt/history.log (paste it to http://paste.debian.net if you can't make sense of that) |
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| 13:06.24 | dzan | anyone knows if thunar is broken in jessie? http://paste.debian.net/41152/ |
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| 13:06.58 | CuteAlien | strange, nothing that even looks remotely like X or wacom: http://paste.debian.net/41153/ |
| 13:06.59 | babilen | dzan: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and you want to provide more information (/msg dpkg bat) |
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| 13:07.26 | dzan | babilen, #debian-next is invite only? |
| 13:07.33 | babilen | dzan: On irc.oftc.net |
| 13:07.38 | dzan | oh :) |
| 13:07.54 | babilen | (it's irc.debian.org and most official Debian channels are there) |
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| 13:08.08 | ksk | dzan: works for me |
| 13:08.09 | themill | CuteAlien: do you need to recalibrate the tablet? That sort of behaviour occurs when the xy mapping is not set up properly) |
| 13:08.28 | CuteAlien | themill, no idea - never had to do that so far |
| 13:08.53 | themill | I've always needed to do that |
| 13:08.57 | dzan | ksk, strange... my libxfceutil is 4.1xxx |
| 13:09.02 | dzan | yours? |
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| 13:09.37 | CuteAlien | but got an idea - probably something stupid I did *sigh* |
| 13:10.35 | babilen | dzan: Your upgrade seems to have gone wrong, I would really prefer to discuss this in #debian-next as it is a very testing specific issue ... |
| 13:10.38 | babilen | fwiw |
| 13:10.45 | babilen | judd: v libxfce4util4 --arch amd64 |
| 13:10.46 | judd | Package: libxfce4util4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2-1; wheezy: 4.8.2-1 |
| 13:11.12 | dzan | babilen, ok no problem :) |
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| 13:12.20 | n0c | i just downloaded and made a kernel 3.11.1 compilation but got some dkms errors during install, how do i install the 3.11.1 headers on debian wheezy? |
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| 13:13.40 | peaceblaster | My laptop has a set of command keys at the top that Linux doesn't recognize, so I need to reboot to Winblows to turn my WiFi on and off... apparently it needs this program called "s-bar". Is there a way to make Linux capable of hardware enabling/disabling WiFi? |
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| 13:16.39 | srhb | peaceblaster: rfkill is a tool that does that. |
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| 13:17.50 | gabriel_ | ciao |
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| 13:18.36 | gabriel_ | qualcuno sa aiutarmi con grub e un eeepc? |
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| 13:18.48 | jelly | !it |
| 13:18.48 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:19.26 | gabriel_ | sorry |
| 13:19.28 | gabriel_ | :) |
| 13:19.39 | gabriel_ | someone can help me with grub and an asus eeepc ? |
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| 13:21.22 | CuteAlien | Ok, guess compiling the control panel for it myself means I'll have to recompile once in a while after an update (I really hope the tablet control is in debian's kde system next time by default!) |
| 13:21.50 | CuteAlien | Anyway - works again, problem solved. |
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| 13:22.26 | themill | kde-config-tablet works for me |
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| 13:22.50 | CuteAlien | Well - can't debug now anymore as it works again... |
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| 13:23.47 | CuteAlien | themill, eh - or do you mean you had that per default without compiling? |
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| 13:24.20 | themill | it's a whole "aptitude install kde-config-tablet" away. |
| 13:24.22 | bonz | any clue how i find out more info re broken sendmail on sid and if there is a workaround for it infinitely creating mail databases |
| 13:24.31 | HasePino | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.44 | HasePino | I didn't create it |
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| 13:25.00 | HasePino | Are there debian scripts which would automatically create a dm snapshot? |
| 13:25.46 | CuteAlien | themill, argh. You are right. Damn... didn't see it - probably search for the wrong name and installed it from git instead *sigh* |
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| 13:26.33 | SagarG | Hello, can anyone tell me what's this error occur for. This cause me a problem after as off it doesn't insert database in MYSQL using PDNS http://pastebin.com/gPU3FxVk |
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| 13:28.20 | CuteAlien | themill, hm, or there was some problem maybe why I did that (been a while). I just notice using hte debian version it doesn't show up in the kde system settings for me after installation. |
| 13:28.30 | babilen | SagarG: Which error exactly? (and didn't you like nsd or unbound?) |
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| 13:29.11 | SagarG | babilen : nope never worked with those since i love to prefer pdns as off easy interface and other things using poweradmin. |
| 13:29.22 | babilen | ack |
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| 13:29.34 | SagarG | also main error probably > [ ok ] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld .. [info] Checking for tables which need an upgrade, are corrupt or were |
| 13:29.34 | SagarG | not closed cleanly.. |
| 13:29.58 | babilen | SagarG: That's not an error, but a status message. (hence the [info]) |
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| 13:30.03 | themill | CuteAlien: appears under input devices here |
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| 13:30.43 | CuteAlien | themill, just tried again - this time --purge'ing the old version first. Probably version conflicts. Now shows up. |
| 13:31.03 | SagarG | Also comment out the line bind-address = 127.0.0.1: means #bind-address or remove the # from it? |
| 13:31.34 | sw-tritum | hello i can't install "icedove" in debian testing because "xul-ext-adblock-plus" would break it. removing adblock breaks "gnome" though. what ca i do in order to have gnome, adblock and icedove on the same system? |
| 13:31.54 | CuteAlien | Phew, really happy it works again. Because once it works my Wacom works a lot better on Debian than on Windows (has more settings) :-) |
| 13:31.55 | maxyz | SagarG: What? Thats not a good general idea. |
| 13:32.18 | SagarG | maxyz : Someone told me comment out the line bind-address = 127.0.0.1: |
| 13:32.22 | gb | is there a package which can highlight if/when other packages have been recently upgraded via a list of packages you would like to install but cannot because things are broken? |
| 13:32.23 | SagarG | What does that guy mean? |
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| 13:33.22 | maxyz | SagarG: Ok, just leave the bind-address = 127.0.0.1 without a # in front |
| 13:33.38 | sw-tritum | sry, will go to #debian-next |
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| 13:33.56 | sw-tritum | hello i can't install "icedove" in debian testing because "xul-ext-adblock-plus" would break it. removing adblock breaks "gnome" though. what ca i do in order to have gnome, adblock and icedove on the same system? |
| 13:33.57 | maxyz | SagarG: unless you are going to use the mysql db remotely (not a very good idea) |
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| 13:34.30 | peaceblaster | srhb: Sorry about late reply, but thanks so much |
| 13:34.43 | srhb | peaceblaster: No problem. |
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| 13:35.15 | gb | sw-tritum: you could probably use the source luke but if it's broken for testing i do not like your chances of building it by hand |
| 13:36.00 | SagarG | mysqladmin -u root password mypass | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: | 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
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| 13:36.42 | themill | sw-tritum: you may need to grab icedove from sid |
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| 13:38.30 | maxyz | SagarG: Didn't you already set a password for mysql root ? |
| 13:38.40 | sw-tritum | themill: could you point me to a readme for this? |
| 13:38.48 | themill | dpkg: tell sw-tritum about tum |
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| 13:40.38 | SagarG | maxyz : i did |
| 13:40.53 | SagarG | it somehow doesn't show that |
| 13:40.59 | babilen | sw-tritum: It also sounds as if you don't want the "gnome" metapackage but a smaller one. See "/msg dpkg install gnome" for an overview. Mark other packages as manually installed if you want to keep them. |
| 13:41.01 | SagarG | how to reset and set the password again |
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| 13:41.18 | babilen | sw-tritum: And, fwiw, this isn't #debian-next (that channel is on irc.oftc.net) in case you were thinking that :) |
| 13:42.14 | maxyz | SagarG: Pff, you need to pass mysqladmin the password you set before |
| 13:42.18 | ThePope | (using password: NO) Try the password prompt, mysqladmin -u root -p |
| 13:42.33 | maxyz | SagarG: check the manpage. |
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| 13:43.21 | sw-tritum | thx babilen, will read about it |
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| 13:43.49 | maxyz | SagarG: Also, debian systems have a debian-sys-maint user with a my.cnf in /etc/mysql that can be used to reset the root password. |
| 13:43.51 | SagarG | ThePope : it shows the list of manual |
| 13:44.43 | maxyz | SagarG: If you have no data in the database, you can purge the package and start again, without forgeting your password. |
| 13:44.59 | SagarG | maxyz : How to do that? |
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| 13:45.30 | maxyz | SagarG: apt-get purge ? |
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| 13:46.10 | Nomad__ | hello i'm trying to install mysql-server ( current /wheezy ) and i just can't seem to be able to finish the install : logs @ http://pastebin.com/zteLfNPN . it's not my first install, theres two others mysql server on that same master which i successfully installed mysql but that one?! i just can, someone could direct me to any tips ? |
| 13:46.10 | ThePope | SagarG what about, mysql -uroot -p |
| 13:46.20 | git-shell | Hi guys, I'm using debian 7.1, sometime my screen just blinks.. sometimes it's making it freeze/stuck that nothing can help but reisub, what can I do to solve this? |
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| 13:46.45 | SagarG | ThePope : it asks me for a word and when i enter the password it works |
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| 13:47.06 | SagarG | but when i do it with mysqladmin -u root -p it doens't let me do anything |
| 13:47.25 | SagarG | mysql> |
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| 13:48.11 | maxyz | SagarG: That's the mysql prompt, you are connected to the database and you can interact with it. |
| 13:48.28 | maxyz | SagarG: Please read the mysql documentation to continue |
| 13:48.57 | SagarG | yes i know |
| 13:49.04 | SagarG | i am saying mysql works but mysqladmin doesn't |
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| 13:49.52 | maxyz | SagarG: It's not the most friendly command, but it works. |
| 13:50.11 | SagarG | maxyz : What's the solution then? |
| 13:50.19 | SagarG | It says using password "NO" but i am using a password. |
| 13:50.24 | SagarG | How to solve the issue? |
| 13:50.32 | SagarG | Also does mysql and mysqladmin are same commands? |
| 13:50.59 | ThePope | SagarG It seems the mysqladmin command like spaces between the flags and values, mysqladmin -u root -p yourpassword |
| 13:51.07 | bhuddah | SagarG: check your config files and .-files in ~ for preset passwords and so on, please. |
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| 13:54.23 | SagarG | so |
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| 13:54.39 | SagarG | sorry i lost connection can you guys come again after what i ThePope and buddah |
| 13:54.57 | bhuddah | SagarG: you didn't miss anything :) |
| 13:55.16 | SagarG | buddah :) |
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| 13:56.20 | SagarG | ThePope : What's the solution? |
| 13:56.22 | SagarG | bhuddah? |
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| 13:57.39 | bhuddah | SagarG: no idea. you probably broke something or misconfigured something. |
| 13:58.34 | SagarG | since mysqladmin -u root -p works fine |
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| 13:59.40 | bhuddah | SagarG: if it works, all is good? so what does not work? |
| 13:59.54 | boudiccas | I've just got a new samsung mobile which is mounted to mtp://[usb:004,021]/65537. how can i make it into a 'proper' mount point which i can then use in conky please? |
| 14:00.06 | SagarG | Ok :) |
| 14:00.44 | ThePope | SagarG: I have the same behaviour with debian and mysqladmin but I never use mysqladmin. |
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| 14:04.21 | xand | boudiccas: there's an mtpfs thing for that, dunno if debian has it |
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| 14:06.09 | boudiccas | okay xand thanks |
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| 14:06.52 | Nomad__ | at least.. you got sql installed^^ |
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| 14:09.42 | boudiccas | xand; there is no 'mtpfs' but there is 'mtp-tools' so i'm off to have a play with it, thanks :) |
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| 14:10.25 | SagarG | ThePope : i am trying to install PowerDNS and poweradmin using an online tutorial |
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| 14:12.41 | michal__ | hi |
| 14:12.45 | adkins | my internet is too slow in wheezy. i assume it is ipv6 not disabled properly. can someone help me on this? |
| 14:12.49 | michal__ | how can I delete lxde |
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| 14:13.04 | michal__ | i want definitly delete lxde |
| 14:13.26 | michal__ | I removed it but if I write "startx" lxde start ;/ |
| 14:13.38 | Dan39 | adkins: you shouldn't really disable it, but there is methods to prefer ipv4 |
| 14:13.56 | mtn | michal__: if it starts, you didn't remove it ;) |
| 14:14.03 | Dan39 | or temporarily disable it, which i end up doing on systems i know arent going to last very long :P |
| 14:14.20 | michal__ | mtn: I know, but how can I do it? |
| 14:14.35 | michal__ | "aptitude purge lxde~i" done |
| 14:14.36 | Dan39 | that really does have to be fixed tho imo. i also have problems with DNS and other things with ipv6 on |
| 14:14.49 | adkins | Dan39: should i not disable it in grub? i did this......should i change it back again and make grub-update? |
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| 14:15.08 | Dan39 | that is probably fine temporarily |
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| 14:15.15 | Dan39 | easy enough to change it back |
| 14:15.26 | Dan39 | if that works just leave it for now id say |
| 14:15.27 | jcbjoe | hey guys wifi is not working on this debian debian debivce ..i followed https://wiki.debian.org/wl to a T and its worked easily .. i put the wifi pasword in and it trys to joins and dosen't do anything .. i know im putting the right password in beucase i have this mac right next to me that has keychains witch displays the password raw |
| 14:15.28 | mtn | michal__: go into synaptic and look for anything lxde |
| 14:15.30 | jcbjoe | any ideas ? |
| 14:15.48 | jcbjoe | s/debian/box/ |
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| 14:16.34 | adkins | Dan39: how do i prefer ipv4? |
| 14:16.36 | Dan39 | jcbjoe: have you tried doing it all manually? |
| 14:16.48 | Dan39 | adkins: id just be googling it myself, so you can go do that |
| 14:16.54 | jcbjoe | Dan39: i follwed the guid |
| 14:16.56 | Dan39 | ive done it before tho and it worked |
| 14:17.12 | Dan39 | jcbjoe: using which manager? |
| 14:17.14 | koshie | Hi, I want to display a message such as motd but on my laptop. I want at every time I'm opening a new shell I've a cat of a file. I've looked on Internet but I found nothing. An idea please? |
| 14:17.35 | xand | koshie: put it in your bash profile |
| 14:17.36 | jcbjoe | Dan39: i don't get it but i think i tuses wireless tools or the gnome-network-manager |
| 14:17.49 | Dan39 | so networkmanager? |
| 14:17.55 | jcbjoe | yes |
| 14:17.55 | michal__ | mtn: havent god any x |
| 14:17.55 | michal__ | :D |
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| 14:18.04 | Dan39 | koshie: my first google result turned up good info |
| 14:18.07 | Benkinooby | !inadyn-mt |
| 14:18.08 | jcbjoe | Dan39: should install it reinstall it ? |
| 14:18.12 | koshie | xand: I'll try, thanks |
| 14:18.16 | jcbjoe | install --reinstall ? |
| 14:18.19 | Dan39 | koshie: did you try changing /etc/motd? |
| 14:18.30 | koshie | Dan39: it works only for logging |
| 14:18.45 | jcbjoe | sorry i can't do that its not a package |
| 14:18.47 | Benkinooby | dpkg: inadyn-mt |
| 14:18.47 | dpkg | Benkinooby: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:18.54 | mtn | michal__: you don't want any X or just don't have any installed now? |
| 14:18.57 | Benkinooby | dpkg: inadyn |
| 14:18.58 | dpkg | i guess inadyn is a dynamic DNS client supporting zoneedit.com, no-ip.com, dyn.com, freedns.afraid.org and other providers. |
| 14:19.03 | Dan39 | koshie: look at sshd config |
| 14:19.06 | Dan39 | for Banner setting |
| 14:19.07 | michal__ | I want dwm |
| 14:19.14 | koshie | Dan39: no no, not on sshd |
| 14:19.14 | koshie | on muy laptop |
| 14:19.15 | koshie | :) |
| 14:19.16 | mtn | michal__: so install it? |
| 14:19.25 | Dan39 | o |
| 14:19.26 | koshie | but bash_priofile looks t works :) |
| 14:19.28 | michal__ | fuck. |
| 14:19.31 | Dan39 | yea that would |
| 14:19.40 | michal__ | I removed x etc ;/ |
| 14:19.46 | Dan39 | or /etc/profile |
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| 14:19.58 | michal__ | I removed all |
| 14:19.59 | michal__ | ;/ |
| 14:20.23 | michal__ | fuck. |
| 14:20.25 | mtn | michal__: so reinstall all the parts or reinstall from scratch |
| 14:20.26 | Dan39 | add a new file to /etc/profile.d/ would probably be neatest way imo, not sure how others do it |
| 14:20.50 | git-shell | Hi guys, I'm using debian 7.1, sometime my screen just blinks.. sometimes it's making it freeze/stuck that nothing can help but reisub, what can I do to solve this? |
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| 14:21.45 | michal__ | brb |
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| 14:25.23 | michal__ | I really removed all |
| 14:25.24 | michal__ | ^^ |
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| 14:26.48 | jcbjoe | anyone else have any ideas on teh wireless issues ? |
| 14:27.03 | mtn | michal__: you can use tasksel to easily reinstall desktop. you will get the gnome desktop that way, though. |
| 14:27.28 | michal__ | dsd |
| 14:27.52 | jordanm | git-shell: are you using fglrx? |
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| 14:28.40 | git-shell | nope |
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| 14:28.59 | git-shell | simple onboard intel graphics |
| 14:29.38 | SagarG | My PDNS still doesn't work! |
| 14:29.53 | g105b | Can someone help me refactor this bash script into a loop? http://paste.debian.net/41194/ |
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| 14:30.05 | abrotman | g105b: #bash can |
| 14:30.11 | adkins | Dan39: i tried a few things by googleing, nothing worked, now i`m about to do GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1 quiet" in /etc/default/grub and update-grub. but thats probably not what you would do |
| 14:30.23 | g105b | abrotman: sorry wrong room :/ |
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| 14:30.37 | abrotman | g1good luck |
| 14:30.44 | adkins | if i shouldnt disable it what should i do then? |
| 14:30.52 | Dan39 | adkins: no i think that is right, adding it to grub command |
| 14:31.01 | adkins | oh ok |
| 14:31.04 | afsal | whr i find hlp in packaging |
| 14:31.23 | Dagger2 | adkins: why is v6 being a problem? |
| 14:31.25 | git-shell | any other idea jordanm ? |
| 14:31.33 | Dagger2 | if you don't have a public v6 address, v4 will be tried first |
| 14:31.43 | Benkinooby | can you recommend my a dynamic dns client for AAAA records? |
| 14:31.47 | jordanm | git-shell: nope |
| 14:31.47 | SagarG | ThePope any idea? |
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| 14:31.51 | adkins | Dagger2: i dont know, internet is very slow loading,....guess that could be it |
| 14:31.54 | adkins | but not sure |
| 14:31.56 | Dagger2 | (if you do have a public v6 address but it's broken, that's your problem and that's what you should fix) |
| 14:31.58 | michal__ | uheheheh I fucked linux :D |
| 14:32.00 | git-shell | jordanm, alright, thanks |
| 14:32.01 | michal__ | cant do anything :D |
| 14:32.07 | michal__ | how I can use tasksel? |
| 14:32.14 | afsal | whr i find hlp in debian packaging |
| 14:32.15 | jordanm | g105b: what is wrong with it? I would not bother with the questions and install the 3 packages |
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| 14:32.32 | jordanm | they are probably less than a couple MBs total disk space |
| 14:32.33 | mtn | michal__: be root, type: tasksel |
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| 14:32.57 | michal__ | dont work ;P |
| 14:33.02 | g105b | jordanm: I'm really asking how to install a list of arbitrary packages if they are not yet installed. |
| 14:33.15 | g105b | jordanm: rather than an individual if block for each package. |
| 14:33.22 | jordanm | g105b: apt-get install <packages> |
| 14:33.24 | Dagger2 | adkins: try a `wget http://ftp.debian.org/` and see if it lists v6 *first* on the "Resolving" line. if it doesn't, your problem isn't v6 |
| 14:33.28 | xand | just try and install them |
| 14:33.28 | michal__ | mtn: kk I installing it |
| 14:33.34 | xand | if they're already installed, they'll be skipped |
| 14:33.36 | jordanm | g105b: apt will check if they are installed already or not |
| 14:33.37 | mtn | michal__: :P |
| 14:33.44 | g105b | jordanm: it needs root, my script doesn't |
| 14:33.49 | afsal | whr i find hlp in debian packaging |
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| 14:34.01 | xand | g105b: er you can't install them without root |
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| 14:34.42 | g105b | xand: yep. |
| 14:34.43 | jordanm | afsal: #debian-mentors on oftc, or perhaps here |
| 14:34.56 | xand | g105b: so what's the problem? |
| 14:35.13 | michal__ | mtn: I think better way is reinstall my debian ;) |
| 14:35.31 | mtn | michal__: probably so |
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| 14:36.17 | adkins | thx Dagger2 but i did the grub thing and now its running fast |
| 14:36.46 | jordanm | g105b: on a side note, there is no package fgrep, it's part of grep. you can't have a debian system without it (priority required) |
| 14:37.01 | jkaberg | any suggestions on a "simple" raid (i dont actully need a raid card, just 1 more sata port ;)) controller that works well with debian squeeze? |
| 14:37.29 | g105b | jordanm: thanks for the info |
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| 14:38.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | jkaberg: how about an USB SATA enclosure for a HDD? |
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| 14:38.23 | Dagger2 | adkins: you're now going to have lots of fun in the future when you do actually want v6 |
| 14:38.27 | srhb | jkaberg: Supposedly an IBM M1015 is a super cheap 8 port SAS/SATA controller than when reflashed is excellent for Linux and BSD. Eats a PCIE8 port. |
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| 14:39.18 | jkaberg | srhb: only have space for one more hdd ;) so abit extensive for my purpose? |
| 14:39.29 | srhb | jkaberg: Probably. |
| 14:39.41 | jkaberg | eduard_munteanu: i want to use it internally :) |
| 14:40.05 | srhb | Host bus adapters tend to be extensive in general. |
| 14:40.46 | jkaberg | my problem is that my motherboard has 6 ports, and i have 7 hdd's (6 in raid5 and a os disk) :) |
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| 14:41.56 | srhb | jkaberg: Your problem appears to be something along the lines of searching for a cheap HBA. |
| 14:42.14 | jkaberg | srhb: HBA? |
| 14:42.20 | jkaberg | sorry |
| 14:42.21 | srhb | jkaberg: Host bus adaptor. |
| 14:42.22 | jkaberg | got it now lol |
| 14:42.34 | srhb | jkaberg: To avoid the raid firmwares etc. that might get in the way. |
| 14:42.59 | jkaberg | srhb: got any good suggestions? debian squeeze compatible is my only requirement |
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| 14:43.17 | srhb | jkaberg: The one I know of I already suggested. I expect most HBAs will "just work(tm)" |
| 14:43.26 | srhb | Just steer clear of raid adaptors. |
| 14:43.50 | jkaberg | srhb: alright, will consult my nearest "price match" site for alternatives ;) |
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| 14:44.26 | srhb | jkaberg: Once you've got some model names you're probably going to get a lot wiser by googling those + debian/linux |
| 14:44.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hrmpf, my report #722906 got downgraded to wishlist 2 days ago. Maybe I should report it to the security team or ftp-master? Don Armstrong was talking about www.debian.org, maybe other subdomains aren't in his backyard. |
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| 14:45.56 | jkaberg | srhb: and your experience (if compatible) is that it "just works", i mean it will end up as a sdX device? no other configuration that would cross your mind? |
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| 14:46.26 | jordanm | Eduard_Munteanu: I would consider it wishlist |
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| 14:46.38 | srhb | jkaberg: Yes, a good (and dumb) hba should just pass the connected devices off to the OS like so. |
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| 14:47.01 | jkaberg | srhb: apphriciate the input! will go hunting, thanks! |
| 14:47.10 | srhb | jkaberg: It is after all the same thing as the thing on your motherboard that does exactly the same thing, only that thing is not connected to a PCIE port-thing |
| 14:47.12 | srhb | ;) |
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| 14:47.44 | jkaberg | srhb: yeah, my concern is the PCIE port so better ask now then when i actully bought the damn thing :D |
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| 14:48.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | jordanm: I see. Still, it should be pretty easy to fix, I'm hoping "wishlist" isn't at the very end of a really long list. |
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| 14:49.07 | g105b | How do I capture the machine's local IP address into a bash variable? |
| 14:49.21 | Dan39 | local LAN ip? |
| 14:49.28 | Dan39 | or external internet ip? |
| 14:49.49 | Dan39 | if it is a server they would be same, but at home behind a NAT router different |
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| 14:49.55 | jordanm | what if the machine has 2 or 10 assigned IPs? |
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| 14:50.13 | jelly | jordanm: ip=127.0.0.1, problem solved! |
| 14:50.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | jordanm: may I ask if this is because of your opinion on the CA system not being trustworthy? |
| 14:50.35 | g105b | Dan39: local LAN ip |
| 14:50.36 | Dan39 | jordanm: good point also, but not that common :P |
| 14:50.39 | srhb | jkaberg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007531%20600022029&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI%20Express%20to%20SATA%20Card -- to get you started |
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| 14:51.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | But it's still odd considering ftp-master already supports https just fine, they even bought a cert. |
| 14:51.58 | jordanm | Eduard_Munteanu: it's my opinion that's its not high priority |
| 14:52.10 | afsal | I'm noob in debian package. I downloaded some packages and extracted it, when opening and going through it I can't anything. Pls hlp me to study it |
| 14:52.11 | jkaberg | srhb: thanks! |
| 14:52.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | I see. |
| 14:52.32 | jhutchins | g105b: Try /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet " | awk '{ print $2 }' |
| 14:52.49 | jordanm | jhutchins: grep | awk.... |
| 14:53.10 | jhutchins | jordanm: Is that is that considered gauche these days? |
| 14:53.20 | Dan39 | id probably bash rematch it |
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| 14:53.39 | jordanm | jhutchins: awk '/inet / { print $2 }' |
| 14:54.02 | jordanm | not that I am recommending that method for determining the IP of a machine |
| 14:54.13 | jelly | jordanm: there's some degree of protection provided with https://, in that the number of agencies able to do MITM is limited to the ones in a users' CA bundle |
| 14:54.24 | jhutchins | jordanm: Nice. |
| 14:54.25 | jordanm | it's a naive assumption, but it may work in his case |
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| 14:55.07 | jordanm | jelly: no, there are other ways, but the other ways can be detected by the user |
| 14:55.12 | jordanm | eg sslstrip |
| 14:56.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | If you don't trust one CA, don't use its certs. Or buy more than one. |
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| 14:57.15 | Dan39 | dont get my started on certs... >_< |
| 14:57.39 | jcbjoe | i will reinstall network manager |
| 14:58.17 | Dan39 | isnt there some special certs that commercial routers can have to decrypt all ssl stuff for doing QoS or something? |
| 14:58.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Um, huh? |
| 14:58.39 | Dan39 | yea |
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| 14:59.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | If anyone is doing L7-based QoS they're probably doing it wrong. :) |
| 14:59.20 | Dan39 | i said QoS or something, i dont think it was QoS |
| 14:59.27 | Dan39 | it was for some filtering or something |
| 15:00.07 | jcbjoe | im wondering if its my distro .. wheezy 7.0 my wifi worked fine .. i distro hopped / my system crashed did a net install of wheezy 7.0.1 and now wif issues |
| 15:00.11 | jcbjoe | could that be a bug ? |
| 15:00.17 | Dan39 | but the point is... seems like a huge breach of our security |
| 15:01.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | Anyway, if Debian people do trust the CA system to some reasonable extent, or at least *some* CAs, then I don't know if security is a priority for them. |
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| 15:01.24 | Dan39 | i dont, but what can i do? :| |
| 15:02.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | Maybe it's some sort of TOFU. |
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| 15:02.49 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: everything in debian is done by gpg with a web of trust, not through random CAs |
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| 15:04.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: CAs aren't exactly random (you can pick the CA), and Debian has users too, not just developers. I bet a vast majority of users don't have a web of trust set up. :) |
| 15:04.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Also can someone explain why ftp-master even supports https then? |
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| 15:04.54 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: that's entirely orthogonal |
| 15:05.13 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: There is an effort to getting a cabal cert in a couple of places so that you can get from a non-debian machine to the signing keys so that you can verify the downloads. |
| 15:05.58 | themill | (doing it from any debian machine has Just Worked™ for years -- making that easier for people who don't yet run debian is the plan) |
| 15:06.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: hm, is that an issue on the bug tracker? |
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| 15:07.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: there's a really easy fix though, just publish the fingerprints for the other keys on ftp-master |
| 15:07.24 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: no idea, I just know that the sysadmin team are working on the technical parts of that. |
| 15:07.28 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: what other keys? |
| 15:07.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: the CD image signing key for example |
| 15:07.43 | themill | or "precisely which other keys" |
| 15:07.55 | themill | yeah, that would probably be a good plan |
| 15:08.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: right now they only publish the archive keys, which sign the release file, then you need some package from the repo, you unpack that and there's the CD image signing key. Sort of embarrassing. |
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| 15:09.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Most people doze off even before they get to the hashes. :) |
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| 15:10.00 | themill | Yes, it's convoluted if you're not already running debian. (it's trivial if you are) |
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| 15:10.13 | jelly | a bit of a catch 22 |
| 15:10.19 | themill | indeed. |
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| 15:10.35 | themill | which is why this is already being worked on, as I said |
| 15:10.42 | jelly | I'd be fine with MD5SUMS.txt downloadable from a https:// |
| 15:11.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly: that would be better for many users (though SHA256SUMS is cheap too) |
| 15:11.40 | jcbjoe | reinstall didn't fix |
| 15:11.51 | jcbjoe | can i go back to wheezy 7.0 rather then 7.1 ? |
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| 15:12.06 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah, I did not go check what kind of sums there are |
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| 15:12.58 | mtn | jcbjoe: what wifi card/chip? |
| 15:13.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | Besides, https is very cheap anyway. |
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| 15:13.38 | jcbjoe | 3:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n |
| 15:13.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | (even more so when you already have the cert, the website running and you only have to publish more stuff there) |
| 15:13.50 | jcbjoe | i use wl |
| 15:14.00 | jcbjoe | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 15:14.37 | mtn | jcbjoe: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 15:16.36 | jcbjoe | mtn: that link dosen't show any BCM43228 chipsets/cards |
| 15:17.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: what did you mean by "cabal cert" earlier? |
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| 15:17.40 | jcbjoe | oh mniip and BCM4322 chips on Debian systems. < -- |
| 15:17.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm trying to find out if this issue is tracked or discussed on the ML. |
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| 15:18.12 | bezoka | mtn: hiho, Michal__ here :D |
| 15:18.12 | mtn | jcbjoe: yes, I see you are correct. so the wl page is the right one. sorry. |
| 15:18.22 | mtn | bezoka: hey there |
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| 15:18.45 | bezoka | mtn: Is good to update debian to unstable or testing ? |
| 15:18.53 | jcbjoe | yea .. like i said mtn on my wheezy 7.0 it worked flawless .. on this netintall of wheezy 7.1 it keeps trying to connect to wifi |
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| 15:18.55 | jcbjoe | wierd |
| 15:19.07 | mtn | jcbjoe: so tell what has gone wrong when using the wiki to set up your wireless. use a paste site if you need more than 3 lines. |
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| 15:19.43 | mtn | bezoka: up to you, but if you need to ask, probably not :) |
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| 15:20.03 | boycottg00gle | is there a way to tell libvirt a kvm vm should be started low priority maybe using nice/ionice or some other way? |
| 15:20.15 | bezoka | mtn: kk ;0 |
| 15:20.17 | bezoka | ;)* |
| 15:20.18 | mtn | jcbjoe: 7 and 7.1 are the same except for bug fixes, etc. |
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| 15:21.02 | jcbjoe | mtn: can't it just tries to connect and connect mtn no errors |
| 15:21.25 | mtn | jcbjoe: do you use passwords to connect to wifi? |
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| 15:21.57 | bezoka | I have my debian with only dwm |
| 15:22.11 | bezoka | last time I removed all without lxde |
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| 15:22.12 | bezoka | really |
| 15:22.13 | bezoka | :D |
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| 15:23.04 | MoleMan | is there a way to make commands show the correct 'permission denied' rather that stating command not found, or check the set paths for my user Vs root? |
| 15:23.53 | jcbjoe | mtn: yes .. i know the wifi password .. i have a mac system right next to me that has keychains and i can see the raw password i put it but it keeps trying to connect .. i had the same issue on windows but like i said i was on wheezy 7.0 not even a day ago and wifi wasn't a problem |
| 15:23.59 | jhutchins | MoleMan: It's pretty much just a matter of learning what kinds of tasks expect root. You can look in /usr/sbin - those are the commands that expect root. |
| 15:23.59 | CissWit | if it says command not found it's because it didn't find the command MoleMan |
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| 15:24.25 | CissWit | you should add whatever you need to your PATH if that's really your expected behavior |
| 15:24.39 | mtn | jcbjoe: what tool are you using to connect your wifi? |
| 15:24.44 | jhutchins | CissWit: No, adding root paths to your path is not the correct solution. |
| 15:24.53 | MoleMan | hence I asked how to check the paths set, and yeah I know what commands will expect root, its just I'd rater they actually said permission denied than not finding |
| 15:24.56 | jcbjoe | mtn: network-manager ? the gnome one |
| 15:25.13 | jordanm | it is if he wants a "permission denied" error |
| 15:25.18 | peterrooney | MoleMan: you're asking for a solution to a problem you don't have. |
| 15:25.32 | jhutchins | MoleMan: It's not a matter of permission. A regular user can run /sbin/ifconfig to list configuration, but can't change it. |
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| 15:25.59 | jhutchins | MoleMan: If a regular user just types ifconfig it will not be found because it's not on the path. |
| 15:26.03 | MoleMan | the command / program exists and is installed, therefor it is better to have a real message, than the system thinking it isn't there |
| 15:26.04 | mtn | jcbjoe: ok, checked out your settings in network-manager? do you have anything relating to your wifi in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:26.27 | MoleMan | quotes his original question |
| 15:26.30 | jhutchins | MoleMan: It's a matter of learning how *nix works, not changing how it works. |
| 15:26.34 | MoleMan | or check the set paths for my user Vs root |
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| 15:26.44 | Sevet_ | MoleMan: echo $PATH |
| 15:26.50 | MoleMan | Thank you |
| 15:27.00 | MoleMan | someone actually answering the question! |
| 15:27.02 | CissWit | jhutchins: it s not a mistake either |
| 15:27.06 | jcbjoe | mtn: i don't get it |
| 15:27.13 | maxyz | MoleMan: check the command-not-found package |
| 15:27.43 | mtn | jcbjoe: look in /etc/network/interfaces and see if your wifi is mentioned (wlan0 or something) |
| 15:28.14 | MoleMan | maxyz: similar but not quite what I wanted thanks :) The issue I'm having is packages that are installed, just not in the path for my user |
| 15:28.26 | jcbjoe | mtn: wlan0 |
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| 15:28.41 | mtn | jcbjoe: is it mentioned in that file? |
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| 15:29.01 | jcbjoe | oh /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:29.26 | jcbjoe | mtn: i don't have wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:29.42 | jcbjoe | mtn: i have wlan0 from iwconfig |
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| 15:30.00 | mtn | jcbjoe: ok, so network-manager sees your wifi, sees the local network, but does not connect? right? |
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| 15:30.05 | jcbjoe | yes |
| 15:30.31 | mtn | jcbjoe: so, there is no driver problem. just a configuration problem, or password problem. |
| 15:30.53 | jcbjoe | something |
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| 15:31.11 | mtn | jcbjoe: in other words, the version of debian has nothing to do with it. |
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| 15:31.49 | maxyz | MoleMan: Ok, zsh has some script that try to guess what you meant, you might want to check those. I don't really use that, but I seen it in grml. |
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| 15:33.14 | maxyz | MoleMan: The command-not-found does look in /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/local/sbin to see if you forgot to use the complete path |
| 15:33.17 | maxyz | try it |
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| 15:33.37 | MoleMan | hmm, okay thanks |
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| 15:34.16 | MoleMan | trying to keep things I install to a Nazi level minimalism :p working with 2GB flash storage only in an OLD netbook XD |
| 15:35.04 | babilen | .oO( Nazis aren't particularly renowned for frugality ) |
| 15:35.05 | jcbjoe | mtn: no .. the password is perfect .. i just released the ip off this phone i have put the password in and it connects / litterally / same password / everything |
| 15:35.10 | jhutchins | MoleMan: Those paths that maxyz listed will be the ones that make the difference. |
| 15:35.11 | jcbjoe | mtn: it keeps asking for password |
| 15:35.30 | MoleMan | yeah I checked the set variables thanks |
| 15:35.46 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: What encryption/authentication method is it using? |
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| 15:35.51 | jcbjoe | umm |
| 15:35.56 | MoleMan | will edit the paths for my user in a second after I try the package he suggested and see what that does |
| 15:36.02 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: wpa2 |
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| 15:36.20 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: You have wpasupplicant installed? |
| 15:36.22 | jhutchins | !wpa |
| 15:36.23 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 15:37.06 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: never had to .. haasn like i said i distro hopped and tried fedora / fedora killed it / before that i was on wheezy 7.0 for 2 weeks and password worked fine .. never had to use wpasuppliant but all of a sudden now i have to use it ? |
| 15:37.08 | jcbjoe | wierd |
| 15:37.41 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: You probably already have it, but you migh want to look at those docs. |
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| 15:38.09 | jcbjoe | something must have changed in 7.1 ? |
| 15:38.27 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: THat's possible. It stopped working after an upgrade? |
| 15:39.41 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: i distro hopped after 2 weeks to fedora .. i was on wheezy 7.0 / even in fedora it worked .. so last night for some reason i had issues booting any live dvds of debian until i found a netinstall of it .. i tried it but it was wheezy 7.1 .. ever since then i followed guides to get wifi working and it just won't work |
| 15:39.59 | jcbjoe | i get the connecting connecting at the top / does the animation / comes back with nothing |
| 15:41.23 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: So it worked on a previous installation but has never worked on the current 7.1 installation, correct? |
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| 15:44.50 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: it worked beautifully on wheezy 7.0 |
| 15:45.19 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: just to test i have i3-wm installed and gnome / dosen't work in any / thought to try to see if it made a diffrence |
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| 15:47.36 | SagarG | Can we install apache2.4.6 using apt-get on Debian for an update? Since it's default is 2.2.22 |
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| 15:48.12 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: should i look for a wheezy install .. i have nothing important on here .. lesson leanred don't distro hop lol |
| 15:48.23 | bibi23 | hi, I have an application using filesystem cache, there are many files and accessed on each request, instead of recoding it to use another caching system (memcached for eg.) I'd like to do this at OS level, I can see there is "tmpfs" and "ram disk", which one would fit the best for my situation? |
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| 15:51.05 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: if i download 7.0 wheezy and it works is there a bug going on ? / like i said the pasword dosen't change it works on like 20 devices in the house / only thing diffrent here is that im on 7.1 |
| 15:51.50 | jcbjoe | umm.. i don't see any 7.0 downloads |
| 15:51.54 | mtn | jcbjoe: maybe silly question: caps lock on? |
| 15:52.11 | jcbjoe | nvm i found it |
| 15:52.24 | jcbjoe | mtn: caps lock / nope .. im tryiping and caps isn't on |
| 15:52.38 | somiaj | why do you want a 7.0 download, you should get the 7.1 ones as it includes all the security updates and bug fixes |
| 15:52.59 | jcbjoe | somiaj: because i didn't have an issue before 7.1 |
| 15:53.05 | jcbjoe | could be a botched install or osmething ? |
| 15:53.21 | somiaj | it shouldnt' be the isntall medium. But you can of course test it |
| 15:53.26 | jcbjoe | let me modrpobe -r and see if that works |
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| 15:55.25 | davexunit | hey all. |
| 15:55.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | davexunit: hi |
| 15:56.12 | davexunit | I just installed debian wheezy to a virtualbox vm. I tried to upgrade to testing and apt-get upgrade is hanging at installing upower. |
| 15:56.43 | davexunit | I'm hesitant to just kill the process because I'm not sure what nasty state I will be left in. |
| 15:57.57 | somiaj | davexunit: could be a bug in testing. and yes if it is in the install process that is the best idea. but since it is testing you can of course test if that works |
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| 15:58.15 | somiaj | davexunit: dpkg --configure -a (should try to configure all the unconfigured packages) |
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| 15:59.13 | davexunit | somiaj: alright. giving it a shot now. |
| 15:59.37 | ZER0punkster2 | does anyone know were the command ifconfig lives |
| 15:59.46 | somiaj | ZER0punkster2: /sbin |
| 16:00.06 | somiaj | which isn't in the PATH of a normal user |
| 16:00.49 | ZER0punkster2 | why is that |
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| 16:01.11 | somiaj | because a normal user shouldn't and doesn't have prermissions to modify network settings |
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| 16:01.58 | davexunit | somiaj: I have a hanging dpkg configure process as well |
| 16:02.14 | bernhard1 | Hi, any Durch people around ? |
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| 16:02.51 | davexunit | eh, I'll just kill it and try again. |
| 16:03.01 | davexunit | seemed to work |
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| 16:04.24 | bernhard1 | Eh.. any Dutch people around ? |
| 16:04.44 | Myrtti | bernhard1: probably, but why? |
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| 16:06.55 | somiaj | davexunit: mayeb you found a bug. Lucky you (: |
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| 16:09.09 | davexunit | somiaj: I don't know how I would reproduce it now, though. |
| 16:09.35 | davexunit | not sure how I could provide anyone with useful information to resolve the bug. |
| 16:10.06 | mniip | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.08 | mniip | wut? |
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| 16:11.52 | bernhard1 | Myrtti: to talk too. |
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| 16:12.49 | somiaj | !dutch |
| 16:12.49 | dpkg | [dutch] soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian-nl |
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| 16:13.06 | somiaj | I think that is on irc.oftc.net, but if you want to talk about non debian things, you could also try #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:13.55 | boycottg00gle | can someone explains status of cgroups in stable? |
| 16:13.55 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats the best way to disable ipv6 completely on a machine? I do not have ipv6 and when I do ssh or sshfs it takes *ages* because ssh is first trying to get through via ipv6. |
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| 16:14.17 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: er, it shouldn't, unless you do have v6 |
| 16:14.35 | Dagger2 | try `ifconfig | grep inet6 | grep -v fe80` and see if it lists any addresses? |
| 16:15.43 | no_gravity | Dagger2: inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host |
| 16:16.01 | jcbjoe | mniip: don't even ask somtimes i type stuff and forget its on the screen cause i look away then i come back / remember what i want but its to late its already typed |
| 16:16.09 | jcbjoe | late trying 7.0 |
| 16:16.22 | somiaj | !noipv6 |
| 16:16.22 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 16:16.54 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: ok, if there's nothing other than that then it shouldn't be trying v6 first |
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| 16:17.44 | no_gravity | Dagger2: its fast when i use -4. |
| 16:18.10 | somiaj | no_gravity: have you tried ssh -vvv user@host |
| 16:18.17 | somiaj | make sure that is where the issue is |
| 16:18.20 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: hm... if you do `wget http://ftp.debian.org/`, does it list v6 first on the Resolving line? |
| 16:18.43 | no_gravity | somiaj: yes. it hangs after thid: debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 |
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| 16:19.30 | no_gravity | Dagger2: Resolving ftp.debian.org (ftp.debian.org)... |
| 16:20.37 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: it just hangs there, with no addresses printed? |
| 16:20.44 | no_gravity | Maybe I can force ipv4 in /etc/ssh/ssh_config? |
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| 16:20.55 | no_gravity | Dagger2: yes |
| 16:21.00 | Dagger2 | it's supposed to say "Resolving ftp.debian.org... 2001:610:1908:b000::148:12, 130.89.148.12" (or with the addresses flipped) |
| 16:21.08 | quinso | What package should I choose for reporting a bug concerning gnome global hotkeys? |
| 16:21.16 | Dagger2 | that sounds more like your DNS servers are borked then |
| 16:21.31 | no_gravity | Dagger2: maybe. but i dont have a problem when i use ssh with -4. |
| 16:21.53 | Dagger2 | try `dig ftp.debian.org AAAA` vs `dig ftp.debian.org A` |
| 16:22.00 | Dagger2 | and also `dig ftp.debian.org AAAA @74.82.42.42` |
| 16:22.21 | no_gravity | Dagger2: dig ftp.debian.org AAAA hangs... |
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| 16:22.32 | Dagger2 | I guess the first one will hang, the second won't, and the third shouldn't but might |
| 16:22.39 | no_gravity | Dagger2: connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 16:23.06 | no_gravity | Dagger2: dig ftp.debian.org A returns the ip immediately |
| 16:23.31 | no_gravity | Dagger2: dig ftp.debian.org AAAA @74.82.42.42 also returns the ip immediately. |
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| 16:24.21 | SagarG | How can we define our own Server Name like it shows Apache2.2.22/Debian. I installed Mod Security and it worked out but doesn't show anything. I want it to show some custom name. Can you tell me how? |
| 16:24.24 | bernhard1 | After purging with aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb' the system halted with Segmentation fault See http://pastebin.com/w1XRk6Uk. After reboot it stops at INIT: No innittab file found. Enter Runlevel: what can i do ?? |
| 16:24.24 | no_gravity | Isnt there a system wide setting "dont use fucking ipv6"? |
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| 16:25.36 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: ok, so your DNS server (whatever it is) hangs trying to look up AAAA records. you could replace it with 8.8.8.8 (Google's public DNS) or 74.82.42.42 (run by he.net) |
| 16:25.58 | no_gravity | Dagger2: i know that. but my question was how to make my system forget about ipv6. |
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| 16:26.21 | Dagger2 | you could also maybe figure out your ISP's DNS server addresses and use them directly instead of via your router. assuming it's not the ISP's servers that are broken in the first place... |
| 16:27.07 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: I know, but I don't like answering that question, because a) disabling v6 disables v6, which is bad, and b) it'll just be creating more work for me in the future when I have to help people undisable v6 *and* fix their original problem |
| 16:27.07 | MrFrood | no_gravity: if you insist on being a luddite https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
| 16:27.52 | no_gravity | Dagger2: thanks. reading... |
| 16:28.10 | no_gravity | s/Dagger2/MrFrood |
| 16:28.57 | somiaj | no_gravity: /msg dpkg noipv6 (I gave the output in teh channel already too) (: |
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| 16:30.08 | lxsameer | hey guys, how can i keep logs after a reboot ? |
| 16:30.42 | mniip | logs of what |
| 16:30.42 | no_gravity | rebooting! cu in a minute... |
| 16:30.44 | no_gravity | exit |
| 16:31.00 | Dagger2 | sighs |
| 16:31.04 | Dagger2 | that damn factoid |
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| 16:32.59 | no_gravity | It didnt fucking help :( |
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| 16:33.08 | no_gravity | ssh still slow without -4. |
| 16:33.29 | MrFrood | no_gravity: why you not want ipv6? |
| 16:33.31 | Dagger2 | try a working DNS server then |
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| 16:33.46 | no_gravity | MrFrood: ssh hangs for 30s or so when i do not use -4. |
| 16:34.26 | MrFrood | no issues here, but I do use an ipv6 tunnel |
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| 16:36.15 | phox | hey, is there some standard Debian config to change to persistently have more than 10 or whatever loopback devices created? |
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| 16:37.00 | MickLH | ha awesome, by the time I make it into the channel I've solved it |
| 16:37.02 | no_gravity | MrFrood: sure. its only in this fucking office. probably because the internetz here fucks up ipv6. so i would make my machine not use ipv6 at all. |
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| 16:37.32 | phox | no_gravity: "interstraw" |
| 16:37.39 | phox | ( |
| 16:37.40 | phox | (: |
| 16:37.57 | MrFrood | no_gravity: iirc the wiki mention ssh specifically |
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| 16:39.07 | no_gravity | MrFrood: it mentions sshd. but im on the client side. |
| 16:39.20 | MrFrood | ah |
| 16:39.55 | no_gravity | I only have problems with ssh and sshfs. Browsing the www is fast. |
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| 16:40.01 | boycottg00gle | regarding cgroups and stable: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC helped me |
| 16:40.25 | phox | grumbles about cgroups and lack of useful support |
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| 16:40.46 | MrFrood | no_gravity: did you check out the two pages linked to in the wiki? |
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| 16:41.32 | no_gravity | MrFrood: no. what was the wiki url again? |
| 16:42.43 | MrFrood | no_gravity: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
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| 16:42.46 | Dagger2 | MrFrood: if DNS is hanging on resolving AAAA records, it's going to be a problem with all software... the right thing to do is either to fix the DNS server, or to stop using it and use one that works |
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| 16:43.57 | no_gravity | trying to disabl ipv6 in /etc/sysctl.conf ... rebooting .. one minute... |
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| 16:43.59 | MrFrood | Dagger2: yup, but might not be an option if his office is behind a corporate firewall |
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| 16:45.21 | Dagger2 | MrFrood: I got him to test that; 74.82.42.42 (ordns.he.net) worked fine |
| 16:45.34 | Dagger2 | though if there are local DNS records that aren't available in global DNS... that would be a problem |
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| 16:49.02 | no_gravity | Didnt help. Giving up. |
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| 16:49.50 | MrFrood | no_gravity: try following Dagger2's advice re: dns servers |
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| 16:50.21 | Kenjiro | good morning/afternoon/evening |
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| 16:51.07 | Kenjiro | guys, I have a sheevaplug (kirkwood) and I am installing Debian 7.1.0. It is taking AGES to do so, since the Debian installer get everything from internet. |
| 16:51.47 | somiaj | Kenjiro: you can download a cd or dvd image that contains more packages on the install medium so you don't need to download everything during the install] |
| 16:52.08 | MickLH | Is there a way to make Gnome 3 work reasonably? |
| 16:52.15 | MickLH | I'm sorry *hides* |
| 16:52.36 | Kenjiro | somiaj: that would be my follow up *LOL* |
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| 16:53.00 | somiaj | Kenjiro: but you do have to download the dvd which takes a while |
| 16:53.23 | MickLH | Or at the very least, is there a way to fix the shell after it does that FUCKING SHIT where it decides it doesn't work anymore, and hangs every single boot |
| 16:53.31 | Kenjiro | I downloaded the install DVD (armel, of course). But the Debian installer I have only gets stuff from internet (let's say a debian mirror) |
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| 16:53.33 | MickLH | Which has happened on every single machine in a matter of time running latest debian? |
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| 16:53.52 | MickLH | Including the desktops / laptops that I didn't screw with configuration on at all |
| 16:54.00 | Kenjiro | so, could I mount the DVD on my desktop (PC) and use apache to serve the files to my sheevaplug? |
| 16:54.18 | Kenjiro | (of course I would tell the Debian Install to use my desktop as a server) |
| 16:54.52 | jhutchins | Kenjiro: I think you can do that - have you read the install guide? |
| 16:55.27 | jhutchins | Kenjiro: You don't have to actually burn the disc, you can serve the iso file directly. |
| 16:56.07 | Kenjiro | jhutchins: sure, could just mount the ISO on my desktop, etc, etc |
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| 16:57.04 | Kenjiro | my doubt was if there would be differences in regards of file/folder organization on a Debian mirror and the install DVD/CD ;) |
| 16:57.29 | jhutchins | Kenjiro: Hence the install guide. |
| 16:59.17 | Kenjiro | jhutchins: ok |
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| 16:59.24 | no_gravity | DAMN! I solved it :)) |
| 17:00.12 | no_gravity | "AddressFamily inet" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config was the solution. |
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| 17:07.39 | Kenjiro | jhutchins: hmmmmm a much faster option would be to copy the ISO to the same flash drive I have uImage and uInitrd ;) |
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| 17:21.45 | SagarG | upgrade |
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| 17:22.55 | SagarG | sagar@ns1:~$ sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386 dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database |
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| 17:23.02 | SagarG | what should be the problem? |
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| 17:26.30 | tremon | you have packages from architecture i386 installed |
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| 17:39.12 | jcbjoe | so im back / some reason i can't boot so im still on the same install |
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| 17:39.39 | jcbjoe | i made my android into a wifi hotspot its using the verizon data .. i used debian to connect to the wifi and im on |
| 17:39.44 | jcbjoe | router issue ? |
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| 17:41.02 | raghdip | folks, anything smaller and cheaper than raspberry pi that can run fully functional debian? |
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| 17:41.21 | addaitech | anyone know how to fix this?: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:41.22 | addaitech | linuxlogo |
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| 17:41.25 | refrax | cheaper than the rPi? I can't think of much to match THAT requirement |
| 17:43.33 | raghdip | we've been trying to make it work on tplink mr3020, but no luck |
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| 17:44.28 | jcbjoe | wifi is fine |
| 17:44.30 | jcbjoe | whatever! |
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| 17:46.46 | jcbjoe | wow that was a wierd adventure |
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| 17:47.36 | Kenjiro | I am getting soooooo frustrated with the installation of Debian 7.1 on my sheevaplug :( |
| 17:47.42 | Kenjiro | three days already "in the fight" |
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| 17:48.18 | Kenjiro | when I installed Debian on it, about three years ago, it was quite easy and painless. |
| 17:49.42 | addaitech | i gave up on it and went back to squeeze i hate that gnome in wheezy |
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| 17:51.04 | kgs | Hi. I wish to clone an install of Debian 7.1 from a partition on my desktop to a partition on my laptop. After a bit of reading, rsync and dd seem to be popular choice for this. |
| 17:51.16 | kgs | I'm wondering if there is a better method for this. |
| 17:51.44 | kgs | Also, My /home is on a different partition. Can this cause complications? |
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| 17:52.18 | refrax | dd is what you want |
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| 17:52.34 | tremon | !debian clone |
| 17:52.34 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 17:52.52 | refrax | or that |
| 17:53.13 | Kenjiro | addaitech: I won't even use Gnome on my sheevaplug. It serves as my download and media server. No need for X on it ;) |
| 17:53.16 | refrax | if what you want is a bit for bit clone of an existing system with all configs I don't think that'll do it. |
| 17:53.21 | Azhrarn_ | boot with some form of live CD, dd your partition, run a file system resize if the new partiton is larger, open up etc/fstab on the new partition and make sure it's all pointing to the right place, then start playing with your boot loader and you should be set |
| 17:53.24 | tremon | it depends on what you want to do. the above will get you a debian installation with the same packages |
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| 17:53.58 | tremon | but you'll still have to migrate your data some other way. rsync is one way to do that |
| 17:53.58 | Azhrarn_ | err wait, desktop to laptop may need new drivers if your kernel isnt' kitchen sink |
| 17:54.02 | JimLesta | squeeze's support continue until? |
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| 17:54.08 | refrax | dd will clone every bit on a device, so you'll get an image file bacisally that you could then dd onto another device and it would be identical |
| 17:54.15 | tremon | JimLesta: february 2014 |
| 17:54.32 | spal | I get this error: # a2ensite susam.in |
| 17:54.35 | spal | ERROR: Site susam.in does not exist! |
| 17:54.46 | spal | even though there is a file called susam.in in my sites-available directory: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256 May 14 2012 /etc/apache2/sites-available/susam.in |
| 17:54.51 | spal | How do I troubleshoot this? |
| 17:54.58 | tremon | also, using dd will fail if the laptop drive is smaller than your current drive |
| 17:55.01 | JimLesta | tremon: thank you |
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| 17:55.23 | kgs | Should have been specific, sorry, I need a bit for bit clone. I use this for work and setting up everything all over again would be a huge waste of time. |
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| 17:56.53 | tremon | then use dd, but run update-initramfs on your new drive before rebooting |
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| 17:56.54 | frankenderp | Hey guys. I got a debian live distro that I'm attempting to use as an internet cafe at a few of my store locations. My issue is that in my testing environment, i can see and connect to my wireless just fine. |
| 17:56.55 | JyZyXEL | dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt also selects all the deinstalled packages, is that a problem? |
| 17:56.57 | dpkg | JyZyXEL: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:57.07 | Azhrarn_ | spal: rename your site to use a .conf extension, or just manually link it in to your enabled directory - you'll want to check the apache.conf includes to make sure it isn't also including *.conf in there |
| 17:57.08 | frankenderp | But on-site, the machines do not see any SSIDs |
| 17:57.39 | kgs | So dd seems to be the best option. Thanks Azhrarn_ , tremon , refrax . |
| 17:57.40 | tremon | JyZyXEL: no, since they're listed as deinstall in the list. You can filter them out, but those lines have no effect |
| 17:57.55 | frankenderp | I figured it would be a beacon interval issue or something like that, i've been through all the settings on my router and it's set up exactly like the router in my testing environment, but it will will not see the SSIDs |
| 17:57.56 | Kenjiro | and there I go.... Will have to start the installation of my sheevaplug for the Nth time :( |
| 17:58.10 | JyZyXEL | tremon: so when i --set-selection with the list, they won't get installed? |
| 17:58.33 | Azhrarn | kgs: I've seen cp used for such thigns (not sure if you need mroe flags then -a), but dd makes sure you're not missing any oddball file types/permissions |
| 17:58.54 | refrax | kgs: be REAL careful with dd, you can really hose up your hdd with that, if you accidentally reverse the 'if' and 'of' for instance |
| 17:58.58 | tremon | JyZyXEL: that's correct |
| 17:59.11 | Azhrarn | if you're on ext*, you'll want to do resize2fs after to settle in your file system |
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| 18:00.11 | spal | Azhrarn, thanks |
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| 18:00.48 | kgs | refrax: Yes, I will. Thank you. Azhrarn , I don't know if cp is a good idea. I'm afraid it might mess up permissions. |
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| 18:01.54 | Azhrarn | if all else fails, dump out /etc and any other custom directories (maybe usr and home) and jsut reinstall and manually merge in your config :D |
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| 18:03.31 | kgs | Azhrarn: That is exactly what I don't want to do. Would be very time consuming so I'll have to do it over the weekend. |
| 18:03.59 | Azhrarn | hahah, indeed |
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| 18:05.17 | Azhrarn | it should be fairly painless though with physical access to fix boot issues and such, I've done similiar by copying to and from a swap partition in order to change a host OS remotely... And it mostly went without trouble outside of ornery network card firmware |
| 18:06.18 | Azhrarn | (the discover package was a life saver on multiple occasions) |
| 18:07.45 | kgs | I also have fedora installed on my desktop. Would it be okay to do this in Fedora instead of a LiveCD/USB? |
| 18:08.32 | shazbotmcnastie | rawr. So these internet cafes I have to get functional by 6pm tonight |
| 18:08.34 | Azhrarn | well, the live cd would be so the OS doesn't touch the disk you are copying, so if your OS is not using that partition, it should be fine |
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| 18:08.47 | shazbotmcnastie | i have seven hours to diagnose and resolve the wireless connectivity issue. |
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| 18:11.14 | sacredchao | I have 2 machines with Debian, both are installed onto a Samsung 830 512GB SSD (exact same model). My laptop is getting 4x faster write speeds, however |
| 18:11.16 | kgs | It isn't. Different drives actually. I will report on success or post back for more help if I need it. Thanks to everyone for the help. |
| 18:11.31 | sacredchao | THe desktop, the same model SSD is performing very slowly in comparison |
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| 18:12.15 | Nach0z | ss830 <3 |
| 18:12.40 | Nach0z | sacredchao: might be a difference in bus speeds |
| 18:12.51 | sharky | sacredchao, does your desktop have a fast cpu |
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| 18:13.31 | sacredchao | Desktop has a quad-core AMD Phenom II X4 945 |
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| 18:13.54 | sacredchao | Laptop has an ivy bridge i7-3517U |
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| 18:15.51 | sacredchao | ALso, this may be unrelated, but aptitude takes several MINUTES to start up on the desktop |
| 18:16.11 | sacredchao | "Writing extended state information" takes many minutes |
| 18:16.40 | Nach0z | that's... very unusual actually |
| 18:17.00 | sacredchao | Never experienced this across dozens of Debian installs over the years |
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| 18:17.28 | Nach0z | might be a good idea to check the SSD and then reinstall Debian on the desktop |
| 18:18.16 | sharky | sacredchao, I read a good thread on the kernel list about problems with SSDs, you can take a look there: http://markmail.org/search/Debugging+system+freezes+on+filesystem+writes+list:org.kernel.vger.linux-kernel#query:Debugging%20system%20freezes%20on%20filesystem%20writes%20list%3Aorg.kernel.vger.linux-kernel+page:1+mid:g7v34iqcaigp27zy+state:results |
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| 18:19.00 | sharky | sacredchao, there are some good test that you can do to verify what things are working and what not |
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| 18:19.08 | sacredchao | I've only really done diagnostics with HDDs using SMART with smartctl |
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| 18:20.07 | sharky | sacredchao, then do with dd too, better read the thread, its good |
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| 18:21.30 | jhutchins | sacredchao: Same drives but different controllerrs. |
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| 18:23.37 | sacredchao | jhutchins: I don't think they have different controllers... they are both ss 830 of the same capacity |
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| 18:29.28 | sacredchao | Wait a minute... /proc/cpuinfo says my Phenom II X4 945 is only800 MHz per core?? |
| 18:29.40 | JyZyXEL | when i do: dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt why do i get a crapload of lines like: dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 221: lynx |
| 18:30.28 | Kenjiro | so, I downloaded the Install DVD for armel architecture, but the Debian Installer running on my sheeva plug can't use it. |
| 18:30.29 | sharky | sacredchao, maybe it is set to dynamic frequencies, set it to max |
| 18:31.21 | tremon | sacredchao: that's the idle frequency for those processors, my i5 also runs at 1100MHz most of the time |
| 18:31.29 | Kenjiro | I mounted the ISO on /mnt (on my desktop) and told Apache to use that folder as Documentroot, but the installer doesn't find something (and doesn't tell me exactly what it is that) :( |
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| 18:32.52 | JyZyXEL | this apt-get --set-selections ain't working at all like advertised |
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| 18:34.27 | JyZyXEL | !debian clone |
| 18:34.27 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 18:34.42 | JyZyXEL | that thing offers me like 2 packages for install |
| 18:34.49 | JyZyXEL | there should be hundreds |
| 18:35.18 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: so one question is where is this command documented? |
| 18:35.22 | tremon | JyZyXEL: dpkg --set-selections? apt-get doesn't enter the picture |
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| 18:35.42 | JyZyXEL | yeah i tried the commands listed |
| 18:35.42 | UserError | is there a dpkg-url like apt-url ? |
| 18:35.46 | tremon | well, not yet at least |
| 18:35.56 | JyZyXEL | it gives me a huge pile of warnings |
| 18:36.21 | JyZyXEL | the warnings make no sense |
| 18:36.28 | tremon | well, paste the file and the warnings? |
| 18:36.29 | JyZyXEL | dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 304: xterm |
| 18:36.29 | dpkg | jyzyxel: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:36.42 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: http://paste.debian.net is your friend |
| 18:36.57 | tremon | JyZyXEL: did you run apt-get update with the same sources as your old machine had? |
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| 18:37.30 | JyZyXEL | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/41312/ |
| 18:37.43 | JyZyXEL | there are 940 packages listed in the text file |
| 18:37.52 | JyZyXEL | im expecting to install at least 500 packages |
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| 18:38.37 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: please paste /etc/apt/sources.list and if you use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/files.listgoehere please paste them also |
| 18:38.58 | Kenjiro | jhutchins: I even tried serving the ISO file directly :( |
| 18:39.09 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/41313/ |
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| 18:39.56 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: you don't need multimedia for 99.9 % of stuff |
| 18:40.10 | ompaul | it shouldn't be enabled for a dist-upgrade |
| 18:40.19 | JyZyXEL | how does it affect this? |
| 18:40.43 | ompaul | it can and at times will offer newer packages than your release hase |
| 18:40.47 | tremon | JyZyXEL: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy acpid? |
| 18:40.56 | ompaul | also nmap for fun |
| 18:41.07 | ompaul | as in paste the policy for it |
| 18:41.09 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/41314/ |
| 18:41.41 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: for zero profit but to understand more what was that machine was it a lenny install? |
| 18:41.57 | JyZyXEL | squeeze |
| 18:42.02 | ompaul | ok |
| 18:42.08 | tremon | JyZyXEL: hmm, off. Can you run dpkg --update-avail and try again? |
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| 18:42.11 | JyZyXEL | trying to get all the packages to wheezy |
| 18:42.23 | tave | Question - in redhat I issue out rpm -Ivh kernel... to install a kernel. I was instructed to do it this way using best practices. What would be the equivalent to this on a debian system? I so not want to use the package management systems that are available on the builds. I want to use dpkg, but wanted to see if the best practices hold true for debian as well. |
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| 18:42.32 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: # weechat and multimedia and apt-get update before you go again |
| 18:42.43 | tave | *do not want to |
| 18:43.06 | JyZyXEL | dpkg --update-avail |
| 18:43.07 | dpkg | i don't know, JyZyXEL |
| 18:43.08 | JyZyXEL | dpkg: error: --update-avail needs exactly one Packages-file argument |
| 18:43.42 | tremon | JyZyXEL: ah great, needs packages.gz. Can you try dselect update instead? |
| 18:43.58 | JyZyXEL | some of these packages are old, probably don't exist anymore on wheezy |
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| 18:44.32 | tremon | not sure if that is even installed, otherwise you need to feed it the packages file explicitly |
| 18:45.04 | JyZyXEL | im chrooted to the system if that makes any difference |
| 18:45.17 | tremon | shouldn't matter, unless /var isn't mounted |
| 18:45.43 | JyZyXEL | it is |
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| 18:46.32 | JyZyXEL | now it seems to work |
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| 18:46.44 | JyZyXEL | 0 upgraded, 736 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:47.03 | UserError | is there a way to use dpkg -i whatever --ignore-depends=whatever , as you would apt-get ? |
| 18:47.11 | tremon | that looks definitely better |
| 18:47.13 | UserError | or apt-url |
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| 18:48.04 | tremon | UserError: there is only one way to do that without breaking your system, and that's by using equivs |
| 18:48.32 | UserError | Can I use blank packages with version 9999 or something |
| 18:48.50 | tremon | you can't force versioned dependencies, only missing ones |
| 18:49.12 | UserError | I could auto-create based on dep detection in bash by querying for missing deps |
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| 18:49.25 | UserError | i'm just wondering about the first part not the fallout |
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| 18:50.54 | tremon | the first part is simply dpkg -i, it will install but not configure if dependencies are missing. Then you can use aptitude install -f to fix your broken state. 9 out of 9 times, aptitude will try to remove the package you just installed |
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| 18:52.02 | UserError | can i just make a config ahead of time and apply it to a meta |
| 18:52.08 | UserError | then remove the rest |
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| 18:52.36 | tremon | you're not making sense to me |
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| 18:53.19 | UserError | The deps for X11 are not actual deps |
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| 18:53.30 | UserError | I want to change that without making my own repo |
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| 18:53.52 | UserError | The platforms i am targeting will not change but are running under different arches |
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| 18:54.08 | UserError | Debian offers me no way to do that effectively so I must find a way. |
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| 18:55.33 | tremon | I'm still not getting what it is you want to do? If deps are not actual deps, what are they? And what's X11, are you talking about the xorg-server package? |
| 18:55.51 | jelly-home | !goal UserError |
| 18:55.51 | dpkg | UserError: Please describe your overall goal, not what you think the solution probably is. There's probably a much easier way of doing all of this.... ask me about <xyproblem>. |
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| 18:56.26 | UserError | My goal is to have a minimal, and actually minimal X11 install with drivers for one single GPU or overall vendor GPU target |
| 18:57.19 | tremon | ah, like having only xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed? |
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| 18:57.30 | UserError | Looking over the X11 (full, after installing from base/debbs), it is abundantly clear those are not actual deps as per looking over some of the X11 code and asking around in #xorg |
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| 18:57.40 | UserError | Yes |
| 18:58.03 | tremon | yes that's possible |
| 18:58.24 | UserError | How is this possible, forgive me I come from CentOS and Gentoo land |
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| 18:59.14 | Zzeiss | Question on kernel upgrades for an ARM cpu: I've got Lenny on the thing right now (long story... but it's what the vendor supplied). I want to get it up to a 3.xx series kernel. What package do I install? There's at least six offered by apt-get. |
| 18:59.16 | tremon | by installing the video driver and input driver explicitly (i.e. apt-get install $package_I_just_listed ;) |
| 18:59.29 | UserError | nope, that circles around and brings in everything else |
| 18:59.35 | UserError | follow the deps completely |
| 18:59.40 | Zzeiss | ... and none of the offered ones say anything like "standard" or "default" |
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| 18:59.51 | UserError | Here I will show you how that tree goes |
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| 19:00.19 | tremon | UserError: I can assure you, it works. I'm running like that. You just need to avoid installing the -all driver and video packages |
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| 19:00.44 | tremon | but I don't reinstall often, so I may be off on the exact incantation you need |
| 19:00.46 | blubberdiblub | they are actual dependencies, but it has alternative dependencies. look at the output of "apt-cache show xserver-xorg | grep Depends:" and note the "|" char. it says "i'm dependant on all video drivers or alternatively on any video driver that provides xorg-driver-video". since xorg-driver-video-all is listed first, it will prefer that if you don't give it a specific driver |
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| 19:02.20 | UserError | yes, and core brings in common which guess what that brings in? |
| 19:03.08 | tremon | core doesn't have to bring in -common |
| 19:03.19 | tremon | oh wait it does |
| 19:03.25 | UserError | cries |
| 19:03.29 | tremon | I just grepped wrong |
| 19:04.26 | tremon | ,deps xserver-common |
| 19:04.42 | blubberdiblub | what does -common have to do with video drivers? |
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| 19:05.05 | UserError | That was one example, let's go to the next one |
| 19:05.10 | UserError | there is more bloat than just the cards |
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| 19:05.22 | tremon | ,depends xserver-common |
| 19:05.23 | judd | Package xserver-common in wheezy/i386 -- depends: x11-common, xkb-data, x11-xkb-utils. |
| 19:05.40 | tremon | how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? |
| 19:05.50 | blubberdiblub | it's not bloat, it's reasonable defaults for people who don't know what hardware they have or don't want to know |
| 19:05.59 | UserError | ok well i do know my hardware |
| 19:06.15 | UserError | but i must use a debian or ubuntu FS for my env |
| 19:06.32 | blubberdiblub | then give it a specific video driver to install before installing xserver-xorg |
| 19:06.39 | UserError | lololol |
| 19:06.40 | tremon | UserError: how does -common pull in any drivers? I just listed its depends |
| 19:06.58 | UserError | here let me get the exact one for the drivers, hold |
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| 19:07.36 | lorenzosu | Hi all. Anyone willing to help debug some eth0 connection problems? |
| 19:07.46 | magnulu | I am using pastebinit 1.1 (squeeze) and getting the "API DISABLED" message.. does anyone have a fix for this? |
| 19:08.03 | lorenzosu | Very strange.. some things work some don't |
| 19:08.17 | lorenzosu | e.g. irc works, apt-get update doesn't |
| 19:08.42 | tremon | lorenzosu: paste the output of sources.list and apt-get update |
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| 19:09.45 | tremon | magnulu: upgrading to wheezy will give you a newer pastebinit |
| 19:10.07 | magnulu | tremon: I was thinking of something easier :-) |
| 19:10.35 | tremon | there is nopaste, maybe that still works. Or use a different pastebin service |
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| 19:11.01 | tremon | !tell magnulu about nopaste |
| 19:11.11 | magnulu | tremon: planning to ugrade, but it is for me a fearsome thing to do! this is my nas, I need it to be up and running, and I have little spare time to deal with things these days |
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| 19:11.45 | blubberdiblub | magnulu, try libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 19:11.51 | jhutchins | magnulu: You might be able to select a different api, you could check the docs. |
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| 19:11.58 | magnulu | tremon: thanks, seems like nopaste is the thing.. |
| 19:12.01 | jhutchins | ,versions pastebinit |
| 19:12.02 | judd | Package: pastebinit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; jessie: 1.3-4; sid: 1.3-4; wheezy: 1.3-4 |
| 19:12.04 | tremon | magnulu: what kind of nas? I've succesfully dist-upgraded my nas from squeeze to wheezy (qnap ts-419) |
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| 19:12.43 | lorenzosu | tremon: ok thanks brb |
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| 19:13.01 | magnulu | I can manually select a different api, but it requests some typing.. come to think of it, I could always create an alias |
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| 19:13.18 | tapoxi | hi #debian, my hostname is set but how do I set my fqdn? |
| 19:13.27 | magnulu | or, manually select a different pastebin-service |
| 19:13.41 | hke | does anybody know of a way to install the latest kde on wheezy? |
| 19:14.05 | magnulu | tremon: mine is a "nas", custom built from parts collected.. |
| 19:14.26 | hke | tapoxi: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+set+fqdn |
| 19:14.27 | jcbjoe | question .. im trying to build something right it gives me an error E: Unable to locate package libncurses5-dev |
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| 19:15.30 | jcbjoe | aptitde search ~i~nlibncurses5-dev shows its installed |
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| 19:15.49 | tapoxi | hke: been googling around, getting mixed results on if /etc/hostname requires fqdn or hostname and if changing one changes the other |
| 19:15.57 | jcbjoe | i also did a apt-get install --reinstall libncurses5-dev |
| 19:16.01 | jcbjoe | still no change |
| 19:16.13 | magnulu | tremon: I have spent many many hours configuring this nas/server, learning linux along the way.. I am 100% sure that a dist-upgrade will break a couple of things.. it fills me with horror.. |
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| 19:16.47 | matu | Hi, i am encoutering a big issue ! |
| 19:17.23 | matu | my debian laptop says some things like [ 1089.724284] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR } |
| 19:17.23 | matu | [ 1089.724309] ata3.00: error: { ICRC ABRT } on tty when i am trying to mount my ntfs partition |
| 19:17.42 | DammitJim | apt-get just uses port 80, right? |
| 19:17.57 | hke | tapoxi: edit /etc/hostname (hostname) and /etc/hosts (different things, incl fqdn) |
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| 19:18.01 | matu | it is probablem related to it : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1034762&page=2&s=08388298e6f3245a566c4e829e5a712b :s |
| 19:18.15 | matu | i have never encouted this problem before |
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| 19:18.22 | matu | encountered |
| 19:18.29 | tremon | DammitJim: whatever you configure. If you have http:// sources lines, it uses port 80, https:// 443 and ftp:// 21 |
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| 19:19.14 | UserError | Here's one, libgl1-mea-dri |
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| 19:19.44 | jcbjoe | who is that for UserError ? |
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| 19:19.56 | UserError | me |
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| 19:20.34 | tapoxi | hke: thanks |
| 19:21.34 | jcbjoe | i figured it out |
| 19:21.57 | DammitJim | ty |
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| 19:24.55 | hke | tapout: btw, man hostname would have been the golden ticket. :) |
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| 19:32.29 | snollux | Hello, hello. Is there a way to make two debian binary packages, one 64 bit and one 32 bit, from the same package directory? Right now I've just got one of the binaries in there for a binary package, but it would be nice if it could just automatically compile one for each version and make a i386 and x86_64 version |
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| 19:32.57 | penguin4 | hello, there is a package xul-ext-torbutton - but installing it would remove gnome and gnome-core -- how can that be? |
| 19:33.06 | tree_ | hi frens i installed kali linux in virtual box but i m stuck at login as.. other.. box where i try to login but comes with authentiction failure :/ what can i do with it |
| 19:33.12 | penguin4 | I'm trying to install tor.. I was wondering if it was possible throught he repostories |
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| 19:34.43 | tremon | snollux: not easily. cross-compiling debian packages is being worked on, but for now all packages are compiled natively. You might get away with running linux32 dpkg_buildpackage |
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| 19:35.39 | snollux | tremon -- thanks, understood |
| 19:35.46 | snollux | it's not a big deal for two arches |
| 19:35.53 | ctcpme | tree_: default login for backtrack/kali is root/toor... but this is #debian, might want to head over to #kali-linux |
| 19:36.04 | phox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.06 | phox | er. |
| 19:36.20 | up365 | penguin4, tor is in synaptic, anonymizing overlay network for TCP |
| 19:36.22 | phox | is there some standard Debian config to change to persistently have more than 10 or whatever loopback devices created? |
| 19:36.42 | phox | up365: unless you run the version Debian packages, in which case it's not anonymizing |
| 19:36.55 | phox | http://boingboing.net/2013/09/07/90-percent-of-tor-keys-can-be.html |
| 19:37.26 | tremon | snollux: you need to redo the compilation entirely anyhow, as you can't use the results of a 64-bit autoconf run for a 32-bit compiler |
| 19:37.36 | snollux | right |
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| 19:37.50 | phox | so if you're going to run tor, run experimental, beacause of idiot package maintainers. |
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| 19:38.10 | penguin4 | hmm ok |
| 19:38.14 | hke | penguin4: i think the tor project provided their own deb repos |
| 19:38.23 | penguin4 | ok |
| 19:38.24 | hke | s/provided/provides |
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| 19:38.34 | phox | yeah, also not a bad idea |
| 19:38.38 | hke | penguin4: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian |
| 19:38.39 | phox | I should throw this at security bugs |
| 19:39.04 | blubberdiblub | phox, you should be able to give the loop module the max_loop parameter at boot by putting a file into /etc/modprobe.d/ (dont forget to update-initramfs) |
| 19:39.25 | phox | blubberdiblub: gotcha, ok |
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| 19:39.45 | joltcan | phox: http://c670d57826745157.paste.se/ |
| 19:40.03 | phox | joltcan: awesome thanks |
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| 19:40.20 | phox | do you know offhand what the cap on that is? 256-1024 would be nice in our case. |
| 19:40.27 | penguin4 | ok let me back up.. im wondering if i can use tor which my existing firefox install |
| 19:40.43 | cafuego | yes you can |
| 19:40.44 | penguin4 | ive installed tor before but i had to run another instance of firefox, without my plugins etc |
| 19:40.47 | phox | 128 would be sufficient though |
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| 19:41.02 | cafuego | But keep in mind that about half of all TOR nodes are run by the NSA. |
| 19:41.20 | koollman | cafuego: how do you count them ? :) |
| 19:41.31 | penguin4 | xul-ext-torbutton - Torbutton is a 1-click way for Iceweasel/Firefox users to enable or disable thebrowser's use of Tor (an anynomous communication system). |
| 19:41.36 | up365 | cafuego, turn around real quick |
| 19:41.40 | cafuego | Slowly and wildly inaccurately? :-) |
| 19:41.40 | penguin4 | is that the package i would need to install |
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| 19:42.04 | penguin4 | because if i try to install it, it says it will remove gnome and gnome-core... |
| 19:42.04 | joltcan | phox: its a kernel compile parameter (the max), no idea what it is, but 128 works great |
| 19:42.33 | cafuego | penguin4: You can put tor into proxy mode, then you just point your proxy settings at it. Shouldn't need any other browser extensions and/or changes. |
| 19:42.43 | penguin4 | oh ok I see |
| 19:42.54 | hke | penguin4: no no no |
| 19:42.59 | hke | penguin4: there is the tor browser bundle |
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| 19:43.06 | sioux_ | hi i have eth0 connected to switch with ip 190.0.3.10. I have eth1 with ip 190.0.0.200 connected to laptop. Where eth0 is conected(switch) have some machine with ip 190.0.0.200. Why i have duplicate ip in lan? |
| 19:43.07 | hke | penguin4: which is tor + vidalia + modded firefox |
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| 19:43.09 | hke | and there is tor |
| 19:43.21 | penguin4 | ok I see |
| 19:43.24 | cafuego | phox: The limit depends on whether the loop devices share their major dev number with other devices. |
| 19:43.27 | hke | the tor project itself warns of torbutton, it is no longer maintained/possibly unsafe |
| 19:43.29 | penguin4 | so I just need to make it proxy mode via command line? |
| 19:43.33 | phox | nods |
| 19:43.45 | phox | I'll check the kernel config |
| 19:43.47 | cafuego | phox: If not, the limit would be 255 |
| 19:43.50 | phox | this is a custom kernel anyways, so.... |
| 19:43.54 | hke | penguin4: why dont you simply use the tor browser bundle (the recommended way)? |
| 19:43.55 | phox | cafuego: k |
| 19:44.04 | phox | cafuego: not 256? 0-255 ? |
| 19:44.11 | hke | penguin4: do you need to anonymize anything other than web browsing? |
| 19:44.19 | cafuego | +/- 0.5% :-P |
| 19:44.24 | phox | lol |
| 19:44.32 | penguin4 | hke I'm experimenting with anonymozing various things like chat |
| 19:44.40 | phox | yes, floating point bounds on char value ranges :) |
| 19:44.58 | hke | penguin4: some software leaks other information like dns requests etc |
| 19:45.08 | cafuego | int i = 0xff; |
| 19:45.10 | penguin4 | hke i would like to use my existing firefox since its up to date and updates... |
| 19:45.11 | joltcan | phox: yeah, 0-255 seems to be the value |
| 19:45.15 | penguin4 | hke would you recommend VPN instead |
| 19:45.24 | hke | penguin4: try to find a tutorial for the exact program |
| 19:45.31 | penguin4 | ok |
| 19:45.39 | phox | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP_MIN_COUNT=8 |
| 19:45.40 | hke | penguin4: a vpn is a solution to a completely different problem |
| 19:45.49 | phox | so I could probably goof around with my kernel and not have to set it in modprobe.d |
| 19:46.01 | hke | penguin4: also, google torify |
| 19:46.09 | phox | either/or.. I'll consider what's going to be cleaner and more robust long-term |
| 19:46.11 | penguin4 | thanks hke |
| 19:46.11 | cafuego | phox: That's an awfully longwinded way though |
| 19:46.15 | hke | its a helper app to .. well .. torify software traffic |
| 19:46.33 | cafuego | phox: Put /etc/modprobe.d/loop.conf in puppet :-P |
| 19:46.36 | phox | cafuego: it is, although our machines follow deployment docs that include kernel build so I might include it in that as well so it's set in 2 places for robustness |
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| 19:49.59 | phox | joltcan: hm, so that param causes it to create that many devices in /dev ? seems a bit weird as the kernel option is "MIN" :P |
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| 19:51.03 | phox | yep, appears it does just that, cool |
| 19:51.09 | phox | just weird that they gave it an inverted name :P |
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| 19:52.19 | joltcan | phox: it does. MIN is 8 by default, no idea why |
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| 19:52.28 | phox | yeah |
| 19:52.33 | phox | just seems that this should also be called "min" |
| 19:52.40 | joltcan | probably some developer thought it was a good number back in the last century |
| 19:52.47 | phox | it doesn't stop you from creating more AFAIK, so it's a backwards name :P |
| 19:52.59 | phox | well, most normal people don't loopmount so much crap |
| 19:53.08 | phox | but there's also basically no penalty for doing this, so yeah wtf |
| 19:53.18 | phox | everything is like that of course |
| 19:53.31 | phox | TCP windows and buffers, really dumb crap like mdraid block cache being TINY by default, etc |
| 19:53.40 | phox | to hell with performance, let's have defaults from 1995! |
| 19:53.58 | cafuego | 1993 thx |
| 19:54.11 | phox | I think the stripe cache is too big for 1993 :P |
| 19:54.21 | phox | it might not fit in 640k ;) |
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| 20:04.23 | Crumbz | Hi, is the openjdk-7-jre package suppose to be java version 1.6? |
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| 20:09.04 | buu | Hey, anyone have experience with an odd bug where a share mounted via smb/cifs is reporting every single file as exactly 4gb to my debian box? |
| 20:10.40 | nkuttler | buu: no |
| 20:11.05 | liori | i'm trying to automate building a chroot; i'm running debootstrap --include=locales, and now i want to configure it to generate specific locales. i know i can set debconf entries with debconf-set-selections, but how can i trigger a non-interactive package reconfiguration? |
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| 20:12.33 | hke | buu: that sounds like a question for the forums |
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| 20:12.41 | buu | hke: Sorry, which forums? |
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| 20:13.07 | masterdisaster | hi has somebody successfully grokmirror running? |
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| 20:13.39 | masterdisaster | cant get it installed |
| 20:13.45 | hke | buu: thats ok, just sounds like there are more people likely to respond to such a specific question.. |
| 20:13.46 | kaste | Hello, say I have an openvz box where I am stuck with the provided kernel, which has no loop module. What other way is there to get the contents of an iso file? |
| 20:13.51 | hke | buu: http://forums.debian.net/ |
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| 20:14.25 | hke | kaste: extract locally and upload? |
| 20:14.41 | sioux_ | hi i have eth0 connected to switch with ip 190.0.3.10. I have eth1 with ip 190.0.0.200 connected to laptop. Where eth0 is conected(switch) have some machine with ip 190.0.0.200. Why i have duplicate ip in lan? |
| 20:14.46 | beepie | Crumbz, there's the package default-jre which is openjdk-6-jre |
| 20:15.38 | kaste | I am somewhat certain there must be a package that does that |
| 20:15.40 | hke | buu: also: isoinfo |
| 20:19.16 | kaste | is there something like file-roller that doesn't require X? |
| 20:19.19 | phox | 190.0 ? |
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| 20:21.01 | phox | dunno why one would use that instead of one of the RFC1918 ranges |
| 20:21.19 | fruitFly | i have an i5 with 8Gb of ram, should I install AMD64? |
| 20:21.28 | phox | absolutely. |
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| 20:21.45 | phox | it would be totally silly not to |
| 20:21.56 | phox | unless you're really hard up for RAM you should on anything that supports it |
| 20:22.02 | zykotick9 | kaste: if your looking for a unified unarchiver, check out unp (i've never used it myself, but have seen others mention it. i just use the appropriate command for each format besides zip, the others are all built it tar, gz, bz ;) |
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| 20:22.35 | phox | fruitFly: that answer was for you ^^ |
| 20:22.36 | fruitFly | once debian is installed can I swap around the desktop environments without resinstalling? and the window managers? |
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| 20:22.39 | phox | just to be clear |
| 20:22.57 | quinso | fruitFly: yes |
| 20:23.10 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: yes. of course. start from mini, then add as many as you want (space permits) ;) |
| 20:23.19 | kaste | zykotick9: I'll try thanks. |
| 20:23.31 | zykotick9 | s/mini/netinst <- i've been hanging in #u too much |
| 20:23.43 | phox | hah |
| 20:23.53 | jordanm | I am pretty sure there is a debian mini somewhere |
| 20:24.03 | phox | there's grml :P |
| 20:24.15 | zykotick9 | jordanm: there is! but it's not what they want. it's for network only installs i believe. |
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| 20:25.33 | fruitFly | zykotick9: phox so should do netinstall, regular install or expert install? there was an option for desktop environment install, if i choose NOT to do that would I install debian without a desktop environment and without a window manager? what do you recommend I do? install xfce or lxde? then how do i swap the environment? download it in pckg manger then what? |
| 20:25.48 | phox | I always do netinstall, but *shrug* |
| 20:26.14 | phox | and I don't use Debian on the desktop so I'll defer to someone else's experienced opinion on that one |
| 20:26.31 | fruitFly | phox: i will do netinstall but there is an option to regualar install or expert install inside the installer |
| 20:26.34 | jhutchins | !minimal install |
| 20:26.34 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>. |
| 20:26.52 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: i always install netinst, with nothing - get everything in the "base" setup. THEN, i add xorg and the rest... you can create some very light debian installs that way. or you can add as much cruft as you want. |
| 20:26.59 | phox | you probably want regular unless you end up dissatisfied with how that comes out |
| 20:27.12 | fruitFly | zykotick9: xorg? |
| 20:27.18 | buu | hke: The plot grows more mysterious http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=107421 |
| 20:27.37 | kaste | hmm unp doesnt' have iso support unfortunately |
| 20:27.56 | fruitFly | zykotick9: should idownload the regular netinstall or the one with firmwares? i'm on a 2 year old asus i5 4 GB |
| 20:28.06 | kaste | p7zip is supposed to have it but it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:28.10 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: i do select the "base system tools" or whatever it's really labeled, but that's it. just over a 100 files on install (i believe you do still get apt/aptitude without it though) |
| 20:28.13 | fruitFly | zykotick9: will the regular net install have my firmware you think? |
| 20:29.24 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: if you have non-free hardware (and need it to get to the network!) then YES, get the non-official firmware iso (i've never used it tbh). |
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| 20:30.27 | hke | buu: you |
| 20:30.31 | hke | ups |
| 20:30.40 | zykotick9 | !tell fruitFly about firmware iso |
| 20:31.56 | fruitFly | zykotick9: i did expert install once and it didnt seem that hard i think i could do it again maybe with a little questions? but what's the difference between expert and the regular install? and by default does the install not come with a window manager? |
| 20:32.00 | hke | buu: you're on to something here, holmes. :) |
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| 20:32.24 | hke | good luck. |
| 20:32.35 | buu | haha |
| 20:32.40 | buu | I wonder what the difference is |
| 20:32.45 | buu | And if its just a bug in du |
| 20:32.57 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: honestly - the only difference "I" see (or do differently) is that you can choose to add contrib/non-free [which is NOT something i do often] in expert. |
| 20:33.37 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: you need non-free to begin with... (which IS too bad) |
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| 20:34.28 | fruitFly | zykotick9: i don't think i need non-free? why you say I need it? i have modern hardware I think I can just use the default netinstaller |
| 20:34.30 | fruitFly | ? |
| 20:35.08 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: well... if you have supported NETWORK hardware, then just use the regular netinst image |
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| 20:36.13 | fruitFly | zykotick9: if i do regular install without a desktop environ will I have no environment and NO window manager? |
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| 20:36.40 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: yes! text only, then install what you want with apt-get or aptitude... |
| 20:37.28 | fruitFly | zykotick9: is a DE overkill? why isnt the window manager you recommended here? https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment what do you recommend? |
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| 20:38.25 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: use whatever you want! there are LOTS to choose from in debian main, and you can install as few (or many) as you want. they can live together (mainly happily). |
| 20:38.51 | hke | fruitFly: thats like asking what fruit is the best.. |
| 20:39.18 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: personally i use a lot of terminal/ncurses/tmux apps, with awesome in xorg... but most people want something a little "desktop" friendly ;) |
| 20:39.24 | hke | fruitFly: and a lot of people would say elephants |
| 20:39.38 | hke | ^^ elephant person |
| 20:39.46 | fruitFly | hke: marang is best |
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| 20:40.17 | hke | fruitFly: nope, elephants. |
| 20:40.21 | hke | blue ones, especially. |
| 20:40.35 | somiaj | fruitFly: debian provides the choice of probabaly 10+ window managers, so choose what you want there. I use fvwm myself. the DE is just put as default for users who want something that more resemables what they expect from a desktop. |
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| 20:41.10 | fruitFly | somiaj: what is sacrificed without a DE? |
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| 20:41.17 | fruitFly | zykotick9: hke ^ |
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| 20:41.44 | peterrooney | fruitFly: the difference between expert and regular installs is the debconf priority - it doesn't make much of a difference on a base install, but can make a huge one if you're installing additional software. |
| 20:41.58 | somiaj | fruitFly: integration, a centeralized control pannel, and all of the apps you want and tons more already installed. |
| 20:42.47 | fruitFly | peterrooney: debconf? |
| 20:42.48 | somiaj | fruitFly: depending on the WM you may have to mix and match different apps together and install them spertally to get what you need. That is what i prefer, I install what I need, not a huge DE collection of software. |
| 20:42.50 | fruitFly | somiaj: integration? |
| 20:43.07 | fruitFly | somiaj: you mean the default apps like an irc client? |
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| 20:43.20 | peterrooney | fruitFly: X without a desktop environment is just painful. |
| 20:43.21 | somiaj | fruitFly: being able to set the theme, control various things from a single source (the desktop control pannel) as opposed to configuring each app you lik to use indvidually |
| 20:43.43 | fruitFly | peterrooney: X? |
| 20:43.43 | somiaj | fruitFly: i.e. everything is integrated together for you based off the defaults of the somewhat crazy DE designers. |
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| 20:43.56 | Nomad__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.08 | hke | fruitFly: no offence, but if you dont know what x is, you probably want a de, not a wm |
| 20:44.14 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: re integration - copy/paste can even be an issue at times (thank goodness for middle mouse click, which is probably 90%+ working) |
| 20:44.23 | alps | hke: +1 |
| 20:44.41 | somiaj | Nomad__: I belive mysql can use different types of data base storage that I thought you picked when you first installed it. Could it be you made a different choice? |
| 20:45.07 | somiaj | zykotick9: until you have a 10 year old mouse that double clicks each time you push the middle mouse button. annoys me everytime yet I still haven't replaced the mouse. (: |
| 20:45.26 | fruitFly | acornym WM? |
| 20:45.32 | Nomad__ | somiaj, that's what i tought i could select something weird, but repeat from a fresh install the default setup on both box, |
| 20:45.35 | somiaj | fruitFly: window manager |
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| 20:45.45 | peterrooney | fruitFly: debconf is how many questions (what type) a package will ask you while being installed. normal means "go with the defaults where you can ", low being "let me specify everything", and high being "only ask if there can't be sane defaults" |
| 20:45.48 | fruitFly | X? |
| 20:46.10 | somiaj | fruitFly: Xserver is the graphical display (gui), use to be Xfree, is now Xorg -- X for short. |
| 20:46.29 | fruitFly | peterrooney: so expert allows one to configre debconf as low instead of just regualar? |
| 20:46.48 | somiaj | fruitFly: its the frame work that gives you windows and the likes. the WM runs on top of X to manage the windows. The de is a window manager plus a collection of apps all integrated together to give you a complete desktop experience. |
| 20:46.49 | peterrooney | fruitFly: exactly! |
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| 20:46.55 | fruitFly | somiaj: what other guis are there? |
| 20:47.02 | kaste | zykotick9: unp doesn't handle isos, neither the debian 7zip, strangely enough the one from sourceforge does |
| 20:47.23 | zykotick9 | kaste: ahhh, you can loop mount iso? |
| 20:47.36 | somiaj | fruitFly: none you really need to worry about. waylend is still in the design, but Xserver has be the standard protocol for a graphical enviorment in *nix for 20 years |
| 20:47.37 | n3rV3 | zykotick9: i was about to say that |
| 20:47.46 | peterrooney | !wm |
| 20:47.47 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 20:47.47 | kaste | zykotick9: I can't I have no loop modules |
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| 20:48.10 | fruitFly | peterrooney: whow much more knowledge is it to specify everything? how much worse is it? i'm trying to decide regular or expert |
| 20:48.11 | zykotick9 | kaste: this isn't debian is it... |
| 20:48.16 | somiaj | fruitFly: usually people refer to the window manager (or de) as the gui. They all run ontop of X |
| 20:48.34 | kaste | zykotick9: it is but in an openvz container with a strange kernel |
| 20:48.48 | n3rV3 | haha |
| 20:49.17 | zykotick9 | kaste: i see. well, good luck then... |
| 20:49.23 | fruitFly | how* much more knowledge is it to specify everything? how much worse is it? i'm trying to decide regular or expert |
| 20:49.23 | magnulu | fruitFly: my opinon is to do a regular :-) |
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| 20:49.46 | fruitFly | peterrooney: magnulu what does it ask you? |
| 20:50.11 | kaste | zykotick9: thanks I already solved it 7z x does the trick (7zr x doesn't for some reason) |
| 20:50.21 | zykotick9 | kaste: nice. |
| 20:50.22 | somiaj | fruitFly: how much do you want to learn? Are you someone who will get worried about being asked tons of questions and having lots of extra choices. |
| 20:51.04 | fruitFly | somiaj: I don't think so, i want to know the advantages and risks of doing regular |
| 20:51.10 | somiaj | fruitFly: its a time vs reward question and what you want. Expert you will see a lot and be given the opertunity to learn a lot, but could be messing with things for days |
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| 20:51.35 | fruitFly | somiaj: well days sonds like too much for now :P |
| 20:51.37 | somiaj | fruitFly: expert just gives you more control, regular will most likely have all the options you need plus plenty you can learn from. |
| 20:51.45 | magnulu | fruitFly: I thing somiaj answers it very well.. |
| 20:51.48 | fruitFly | somiaj: ok cool zeez |
| 20:51.55 | fruitFly | :* love you guys <3 |
| 20:52.19 | magnulu | we love you too you know ;) |
| 20:52.24 | nailora | i have a rather strange request: is it possible to get libreoffice3.3 packages for debian wheezy? |
| 20:52.43 | fruitFly | is this the right netinstall link on the right? AMD64? for my i5 4Gb of ram? |
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| 20:53.11 | fruitFly | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 20:53.38 | Kunda | anybody running debian 7 with wheezy-backport of postfix ? |
| 20:53.41 | peterrooney | ,versions libreoffice |
| 20:53.42 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.0-5~bpo70+3; jessie: 1:4.1.1-1; sid: 1:4.1.1-1 |
| 20:53.53 | Kunda | ,versions postfix |
| 20:53.54 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.1-2; sid: 2.10.2-1; experimental: 2.11-20130825-1 |
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| 20:54.10 | Kunda | hmm..there is no wheezy-backport |
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| 20:54.15 | zykotick9 | nailora: you're looking for an OLD version? appears even squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2 is newer? |
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| 20:55.06 | fruitFly | i have an i5-2430M cpu with 8GB of ram, is AMD64 the right architecture to install? where is it here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ ? |
| 20:55.20 | alps | fruitFly: if you are on your main system don't mess around so much if you need this box for work. get another machine and try the expert install. make a booatable usb with dd i would recommend. |
| 20:55.24 | somiaj | Kunda: do you really need 2.10 over 2.9? If so looks lke you have ot make your own backport. |
| 20:55.33 | Kunda | postfix version of jessie on wheezy ? |
| 20:55.42 | Kunda | oh..i see |
| 20:55.47 | refrax | fruitfly the 64 bit install is the one you need yes |
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| 20:55.57 | fruitFly | refrax: that's AMD64? |
| 20:56.03 | magnulu | fruitFly: and yesm the AMD64.. |
| 20:56.05 | zykotick9 | fruitFly: if you want a 64bit OS, then yes - you want amd64 images. |
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| 20:56.07 | fruitFly | because i see ia64 and a bunch of other stuff |
| 20:56.08 | refrax | yes |
| 20:56.12 | fruitFly | ok |
| 20:56.14 | somiaj | Kunda: you will have to compile your own backport. Unless there is a feature you have to have in 2.10 that is not in 2.9 I would not recomend doing it. an MTA is always a security point, and not having debian security giving you fixes could be problematic. |
| 20:56.17 | fruitFly | alps: i live in the jungle |
| 20:56.36 | magnulu | fruitFly: which one? |
| 20:56.49 | somiaj | fruitFly: ia64 was a very short lived arch before intel started using what became the standard x86_64 which was code named amd64. |
| 20:57.14 | Kunda | somiaj: i know this question gets asked a lot most likely. But is there any way to know (perhaps a roadmap) showing when there will be a wheezy-backport |
| 20:57.18 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: IA64 still exists |
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| 20:57.31 | fruitFly | magnulu: right now we're building a forest in south FL, but soon i'll make my way to amazon side |
| 20:57.33 | refrax | i5 is not ia64 tho |
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| 20:57.40 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: they still activally make ia64 chips? What uses them? |
| 20:57.48 | refrax | get the amd64 iso |
| 20:57.57 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: intel still does; they're basically enterprisey things |
| 20:58.01 | refrax | it has the delicious bits you need |
| 20:58.03 | sacredchao | Itantic! |
| 20:58.05 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: true, but not my many consumers (and if you did own ia64 you'd know it) |
| 20:58.13 | sacredchao | *Itanic! |
| 20:58.17 | dondelelcaro | (in general, unless you spent more than 4K for your machine, you almost certainly don't have an IA64) |
| 20:58.29 | somiaj | Kunda: debian always uses the 'when it is ready' road map. |
| 20:58.33 | magnulu | fruitFly: nice |
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| 20:59.08 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh good to know, thanks. I guess as a desktop user I don't see many of these high end server machines. |
| 20:59.22 | phox | somiaj: ia64 lives |
| 20:59.35 | phox | there are a few things it's good at and I can't remember anymore what |
| 20:59.47 | phox | HP's nonstop systems are IA64 now I think |
| 20:59.52 | dondelelcaro | phox: it basically lives in the same space that the POWER architecture lives in |
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| 21:00.17 | fruitFly | where is the amd64 netinstall link? |
| 21:00.21 | dondelelcaro | (high end, enterprise systems, often with huge amounts of memory) |
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| 21:00.34 | phox | dondelelcaro: graphic arts people for whom business has not been good lately? |
| 21:00.37 | Geyman | whos debian |
| 21:00.47 | phox | or for the last uh... 6-7 years or so |
| 21:00.48 | phox | ;) |
| 21:00.55 | Geyman | whos debian |
| 21:01.07 | zykotick9 | !tell fruitFly about netinst |
| 21:01.13 | refrax | fruitfly http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:01.31 | zykotick9 | refrax: boo, use the torrent ;) |
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| 21:01.34 | refrax | unless you want the torrent, then just replace .iso with .torrent probably |
| 21:01.39 | refrax | i was getting there! |
| 21:02.09 | zykotick9 | THOUGH, the netinst torrents hardly ever get used, there so small to begin with. |
| 21:02.28 | refrax | I seed all architectures of debian, all flavors I can find |
| 21:02.31 | refrax | spreading the lurve |
| 21:02.40 | dondelelcaro | phox: power, not powerpc... |
| 21:02.43 | dondelelcaro | (as in POWER7 et al) |
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| 21:03.03 | phox | G5 is more-or-less POWER5, no? |
| 21:03.08 | phox | not quite, obviously, but... |
| 21:03.23 | dondelelcaro | not really |
| 21:03.36 | zykotick9 | actually fruitFly download the amd64&i686 netinst image, it available as a direct link off the debian.org homepage. then it will work for any machines you want to install onto. |
| 21:04.13 | fruitFly | zykotick9: i'm just installing on this i52340M machine |
| 21:04.24 | zykotick9 | ok |
| 21:04.27 | phox | dondelelcaro: WP is pretty convinced that PPC970* are all POWER :) |
| 21:04.28 | Kunda | somiaj, I found this: http://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html I'm understanding that these are all theoretically packages that have been backported from jessie, right? |
| 21:04.35 | fruitFly | zykotick9: 2430M* |
| 21:04.41 | phox | not sure if ISA compatible or not |
| 21:05.10 | fruitFly | which DE to install? kde vs xfce vs lxde? |
| 21:05.14 | fruitFly | or gnome? |
| 21:05.24 | zykotick9 | !tias |
| 21:05.25 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 21:05.45 | nailora | zykotick9: yeah, i am looking for an old old old version of libreoffice on wheezy |
| 21:05.59 | phox | so G5 was at least originally a POWER4 derivative, ok |
| 21:06.01 | mtn | fruitFly: you can research them on the internet. youtube has videos of them |
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| 21:06.17 | dondelelcaro | phox: they're similar architecture and instruction set, but they're not the same series of chips |
| 21:06.18 | zykotick9 | nailora: good luck with that (manual install, then pinning... or something). sounds crazy to me. |
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| 21:06.28 | fruitFly | is gnome bad? kde and xfce jump out at me, xfce for less resources used |
| 21:06.36 | fruitFly | is xfce more stable? |
| 21:06.39 | mtn | fruitFly: they are all good |
| 21:06.56 | dondelelcaro | fruitFly: they all have slightly different sets of bugs; use whatever you like best |
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| 21:07.24 | mtn | thinks the little green bugs are the cutest |
| 21:07.26 | fruitFly | dondelelcaro: BUGS?! |
| 21:08.10 | fruitFly | so I can just swap out kde for xfce if I want too right? like in the package manager? |
| 21:08.10 | phox | gnome historically has been the most amazingly buggy piece of garbage, but I haven't used it in a few years now... |
| 21:08.10 | Kunda | ,version postfix |
| 21:08.10 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.1-2; sid: 2.10.2-1; experimental: 2.11-20130825-1 |
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| 21:08.16 | yellowke | FUCK ME PLZ http://radioblikske.weebly.com/ |
| 21:08.21 | phox | KDE gets the most people caring about it and trying to make it better... |
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| 21:09.17 | gb | hehe not me i ditched kde/gnome in favour of xfce, got sick to death of my colour preferences being set back to moron standard colours |
| 21:09.17 | fruitFly | kde just looked hip and beautiful, but is gnome more functional? but if it's more bugg i don't want to use it, i'm thinking xfce because it uses less resources and i feeel it would be less buggy |
| 21:09.28 | phox | konsole > * |
| 21:09.31 | phox | generally speaking |
| 21:09.33 | dondelelcaro | fruitFly: sure, if you want. Mostly the DE isn't too important |
| 21:09.35 | phox | other than that, whatever, they launch apps |
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| 21:10.07 | fruitFly | is gnome more buggy? |
| 21:10.11 | fruitFly | i'm thinking kde or xfce? |
| 21:10.12 | n1md4 | hi. I'm looking for a d-i ninja that can tell me what I'd need to add to a preeseed to ignore missing firmware warnings, and also, why this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JzYZqs9v ends up with / at 10G and the rest of the disk swap; as opposed to just 4G. |
| 21:10.16 | n1md4 | thanks. |
| 21:10.29 | bernhard1 | babilen: After purging with aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb' the system halted with Segmentation fault See http://pastebin.com/w1XRk6Uk. After reboot it stops at INIT: No innittab file found. Enter Runlevel: when using 1 or S nothing happens.. |
| 21:10.33 | phox | I would generally use KDE unless you're looking for something more performant and really need to do so... |
| 21:10.43 | gb | is there a way to do a dry run apt-get install to see if a package will fail before actuallyremoving everything else needed to install it? |
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| 21:11.51 | dondelelcaro | fruitFly: lots of people use gnome and it works for them. I personally don't use a DE at all, so that's also an option. |
| 21:12.15 | dondelelcaro | gb: in general, if you need to remove packages to install a package, something is wrong. |
| 21:12.21 | gb | my issue is sendmail goes into an endless loop creating databases till i kill dpkg and reinstall exim |
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| 21:12.49 | magnulu | fruitFly: I started using xfce because of old hardware, and I have stuck with it ever since.. I also gave the others a try, that's the only way to find out what appeals the most to you |
| 21:12.51 | zykotick9 | gb, ironically "man apt-get" reveals a --dry-run as even been a switch |
| 21:13.36 | gb | hehe typical thought i musta seen it sumwhere |
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| 21:15.00 | gb | nah that doesn't get to the bit where it fails |
| 21:15.33 | Kunda | newb question: so if I was running squeeze version of postfix and I just upgraded to wheezy how to I upgrade do the upgrade of Postfix? I'm currently migrating between 2 linode VPSs. I deployed a 64 bit Debian wheezy and am transferring data from 32 bit Debain squeeze. Do i need to upgrade this manually or is there some sorcery I can do that would auto upgrade postfix version for me ? |
| 21:15.34 | refrax | fruitfly: i use openbox, but that takes some getting used to. It mostly just gets out of the way |
| 21:15.58 | dondelelcaro | Kunda: just upgrading to wheezy should also upgrade postfix |
| 21:16.10 | dondelelcaro | Kunda: assuming you followed the release notes, and did dist-upgrade, anyway |
| 21:16.43 | gb | the better alternative would be to install a utility which will tell me when sendmail has been modified and i could try it again |
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| 21:17.26 | Kunda | dondelelcaro, the issue is I needed to create a vanilla install because I'm transferring from 32 bit to 64…so how do I run a dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:17.49 | gb | mm vanilla :) |
| 21:18.18 | dondelelcaro | Kunda: you can use /msg dpkg aptitude clone; or similar to get the same packages installed on both, and then upgrade it |
| 21:18.41 | dondelelcaro | Kunda: and then transfer over the configurations, etc. You'll have to rebuild the map files and probably some other things, but in general, it should just work |
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| 21:19.02 | dondelelcaro | Kunda: but just as a side note, unless you're stepping to a much larger linnode, it's probably not worth it to go to 64 bit. |
| 21:19.14 | Kunda | why ? |
| 21:19.56 | dondelelcaro | Kunda: because unless you've got more than about 3G of memory, or need to address more than 1G in a single application, there's little point |
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| 21:21.30 | Kunda | seriously ? |
| 21:21.44 | Kunda | that is dissapointing |
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| 21:23.48 | Kunda | dondelelcaro, thanks for telling me |
| 21:25.10 | brah | Is it possible to copy IMAP emails from one email account to another in Icedove? |
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| 21:26.44 | n3rV3 | brah: i think that is very dicey, better look up tools from the mail provider |
| 21:27.07 | mtn | brah: yes, just tried it. no problem. |
| 21:27.26 | brah | Thanks! |
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| 21:27.58 | n3rV3 | mtn: you tried it with one mail? it is very difficult to sync a complete mailbox full of gbs worth of mail |
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| 21:28.35 | mtn | n3rV3: yes one. who knows about many many. only one way to find out. |
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| 21:29.26 | mtn | n3rV3: brah didn't specify many gbs of mail. |
| 21:30.13 | n3rV3 | mtn: yeah you are right, but still could trouble him as he was not clear about it |
| 21:30.35 | mtn | n3rV3: no argument from me. might want to address him, not me ;) |
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| 21:31.31 | n3rV3 | brah: if its your complete mailbox with a few gbs worth of emails then search for some other solutions |
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| 21:32.41 | buu | dondelelcaro: Hello! |
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| 21:35.46 | magnulu | I am preparing for an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy.. would it be problematic that I have some stuff installed from non-official repos (like oppserver.net and deb-multimedia.org)? |
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| 21:38.13 | dondelelcaro | buu: hey |
| 21:38.23 | dondelelcaro | magnulu: possibly, but generally not |
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| 21:38.29 | neuromancer | Tooling around with vbox and vrdp. Problem is, to login via rdesktop to my requires my username/password in plaintext on the command line. I'm wondering if I can and how I can restrict that, maybe setup an ssh tunnel instead like I do with Mysql Workbench? |
| 21:38.32 | dondelelcaro | magnulu: but absolutely read the release notes, whatever you do |
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| 21:40.03 | magnulu | dondelelcaro: k, good to know.. and yes, I AM reading the notes right now! :-) |
| 21:41.06 | buu | dondelelcaro: Want to check out rather strange bug involving du -h and cifs mounts? |
| 21:41.29 | dondelelcaro | buu: what #? |
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| 21:43.14 | buu | dondelelcaro: Oh, I don't have a fancy number, just an example: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=107421 |
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| 21:45.45 | bzed | magnulu: best is not to use other repositories, though ;) |
| 21:46.19 | magnulu | bzed: what is best is not always what one would want, is it ? |
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| 21:47.06 | bernhard1 | is it a good idear to use the knoppix cd to try fix my hd.. crashed yesterday segment fault. |
| 21:47.23 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm; that sort of odd. I'd try stracing du to see what it's doing |
| 21:47.35 | brah | I think I've made a huge mistake. |
| 21:47.46 | brah | So I created a duplicated entry for an email address on Icedove, but on a different IMAP server. |
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| 21:47.54 | brah | And they apparently are treated as the same account. |
| 21:48.03 | brah | It overwrote my old account. |
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| 21:49.07 | buu | dondelelcaro: Huh. newfstatat(AT_FDCWD, "Whose.Line.is.it.Anyway.Best.Of Show.XVID.avi", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=223692800, ...}, AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW) = 0 |
| 21:49.23 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, that looks good |
| 21:49.45 | buu | yup |
| 21:49.47 | magnulu | 'dpkg --get-selections' shows some packages as "deinstall" - should I worry about this? |
| 21:50.01 | magnulu | in relation to a dist-upgrade |
| 21:50.04 | buu | I wonder how -h is screwing that up then |
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| 21:50.23 | dondelelcaro | buu: it could be a rounding error, but it might be something else... do you get the same error if you copy that file somewhere else? |
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| 21:50.49 | dondelelcaro | buu: and presumably du -hc Whose*; outputs similar things? |
| 21:51.01 | dondelelcaro | buu: and you don't have anything funny in LANG? |
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| 21:51.24 | dondelelcaro | buu: which version of coreutils is this? |
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| 21:56.33 | lokolo | #fedora |
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| 21:57.29 | buu | dondelelcaro: LANG=en_US.UTF-8; coreutils is 8.13-3.5 |
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| 21:57.56 | buu | dondelelcaro: du -h reports the same 4GB result for every single file on the cifs share; if I copy it off the share on to a local partition it returns the correct size again. |
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| 22:00.39 | bernhard1 | Any suggestions on how to fix my crashed disc with debian squueze ? After reboot it stops at INIT: No innittab file found. Enter Runlevel: when using 1 or S nothing happens. |
| 22:00.54 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm |
| 22:01.21 | dondelelcaro | buu: oh. what does du -h --apparent-size; output? |
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| 22:01.43 | buu | dondelelcaro: The correct size! |
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| 22:02.23 | buu | I didn't realize you could use -h and apparent-size, heh |
| 22:02.26 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, that's probably something with CIFS reporting the wrong blocksize or similar |
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| 22:02.39 | dondelelcaro | (unless CIFS is so bad that it actually has a 4G blocksize) |
| 22:02.50 | mtn | bernhard1: maybe start here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=49879 |
| 22:03.03 | buu | dondelelcaro: Its certainly not actually taking up 4gb on the cifs system |
| 22:04.06 | buu | dondelelcaro: But now I can alias du to apparent-size and that helps |
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| 22:07.31 | bernhard1 | mtn: thank you.. already read it.. ill try with knoppix boot cd.. |
| 22:07.43 | mtn | bernhard1: good luck |
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| 22:20.15 | rscnt | hi |
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| 22:21.17 | mechabit | Hi rscnt |
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| 22:26.10 | somiaj | Kunda: yea that is the list of current backported packages and the versions. I'm unsure how to request a backport. I wonder if a wishlish bug is the best approach. |
| 22:26.47 | abrotman | not sure you can request .. i thought it was the maintainer's decision |
| 22:26.54 | abrotman | (well, i guess you can request anything) |
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| 22:29.25 | Kunda | somiaj, what's a wish list bug ? |
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| 22:30.41 | abrotman | somiaj: oh, anyone can make them, just has to be reviewed |
| 22:30.42 | somiaj | Kunda: its a classification of a bug on the BTS. Usually used for requesting some feature or change a user wishes would happen in a package. |
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| 22:37.16 | HelenaKitty | Hello, I want to put some stuff into a wheezy chroot but not sure how. |
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| 22:38.00 | abrotman | how to do which part? |
| 22:38.01 | rscnt | ? |
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| 22:40.22 | abrotman | okay then |
| 22:40.27 | nonconvergent | Hey guys. |
| 22:41.05 | magnulu | is doing a dist-upgrade.. preparing for disasters of many kinds |
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| 22:45.12 | Johnny_Linux | howdy folks, is there a relative room for kwheezy ? |
| 22:46.18 | nonconvergent | Tinkering with vrdp. I got vbox with a remote enabled in the guest. I can run rdesktop to get into it, but I don't like the default null security. It mentions something about authenticating with PAM on my debian host's side, but I don't necessarily know what that'll do either.. |
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| 22:46.29 | nonconvergent | What's PAM anyway? |
| 22:46.43 | Johnny_Linux | security |
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| 22:47.02 | Johnny_Linux | for passwrd |
| 22:47.55 | nonconvergent | How is it any more secure than a password? |
| 22:48.13 | Johnny_Linux | its like kwallet in kde |
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| 22:48.23 | nonconvergent | I don't use kwallet. Or KDE. |
| 22:48.25 | Johnny_Linux | its passwrd managment |
| 22:48.49 | nonconvergent | Or gnome-wallet in gnome. Or realize that gnome-wallet isn't a thing. |
| 22:48.53 | abrotman | nonconvergent: Pluggable Authentication |
| 22:49.00 | abrotman | an dit's nothing like kwallet |
| 22:49.45 | abrotman | nonconvergent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_authentication_module |
| 22:49.47 | nonconvergent | Ideally, I'd prefer if I can disable access to it entirely except through a SSH tunnel, but I know idea how to do that. |
| 22:52.54 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 22:55.11 | dorito_125 | http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Pam-the-office--28us-29-34531_746_1024.jpg |
| 22:55.12 | Japella | http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Pam-the-office28us-29-34531_746_1024.jpg now has -1 karma |
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| 22:56.10 | abrotman | Japella: turn that off |
| 22:56.36 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/index.html |
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| 22:59.12 | Johnny_Linux | anyway, to whom it may concern, i run a comp biz, and started installing linux on customers computers, i came across kwheezy on linux-today and gave it a whirl, its what the doctor ordered for people in transition, i just want to thank those who made it possible. Thanks, have a super day. |
| 22:59.46 | abrotman | what is kwheezy? |
| 22:59.57 | Johnny_Linux | kde 7.1 |
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| 23:00.06 | Johnny_Linux | debian 7.1 that is |
| 23:00.06 | abrotman | oh, you're in the wrong channel |
| 23:00.13 | Johnny_Linux | i am ? |
| 23:00.15 | Johnny_Linux | lol |
| 23:00.20 | Johnny_Linux | where should i bee |
| 23:00.36 | abrotman | dunno, but that's not Debian |
| 23:00.55 | Johnny_Linux | i c, ok then, sorry for the interruption |
| 23:01.01 | abrotman | not a problem, good luck |
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| 23:08.36 | nonconvergent | Ah! |
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| 23:09.18 | rscnt | ! |
| 23:09.27 | nonconvergent | I should be looking at tightvncserver and xtightvncviewer |
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| 23:11.59 | magnulu | nonconvergent: maybe even freenx? |
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| 23:15.14 | mechabit | I followed this (http://bit.ly/1aG0W12) for installing Firefox in Debian but when I launch it I get an error saying "Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/firefox" (No such file or directory)." Does anyone know what's missing in that guide? |
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| 23:16.13 | rscnt | there's a simbolic link |
| 23:16.22 | mechabit | Yeah, I created that. |
| 23:16.29 | rscnt | oh |
| 23:16.54 | mechabit | I followed the guide a few times to make sure I didn't miss anything. |
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| 23:17.19 | mechabit | I don't really want to add a LMDE repo like another forum posts suggested, that doesn't seem to safe... |
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| 23:17.40 | Axlin | The regular FF download is 32 bit. Is your Debian install 64 bit? If so you need to download the 64 bit build. |
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| 23:18.54 | mechabit | Axlin: Thanks, taking a look now. |
| 23:19.27 | Axlin | Here's the 64 bit release - http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
| 23:19.43 | Axlin | And honestly, I don't remember going through any of those other steps. I just ran the binary and was off |
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| 23:28.44 | mechabit | Axlin: When I try and execute firefox-bin it says 'No such file or directory' though I've set it as executable. |
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| 23:52.29 | mechabit | When I try and install ia32-libs I get an error that I have held broken packages and it is not installable. I literally just installed Debian and have no modified my sources. |
| 23:54.37 | themill | dpkg: tell mechabit about multiarch |
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