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| 00:04.35 | KittyHelena | I am getting really annoyed at live-build and your documents are very vague. everytime I put something in the chroot and run sudo lb build it decides to redownload everything :/ |
| 00:04.45 | KittyHelena | I want an ISO from the chroot |
| 00:05.30 | mechabit | Thank you themill. |
| 00:05.38 | abrotman | looks for patches from KittyHelena for said documentation |
| 00:06.13 | KittyHelena | rolls eyes |
| 00:06.28 | KittyHelena | now I;ve lost /usr/share/backgrounds |
| 00:06.36 | KittyHelena | I had a custom wallpaper pack in there!!! |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | waits |
| 00:07.25 | KittyHelena | abrotman: Excuse me? |
| 00:07.36 | KittyHelena | Version 3 of the live manual |
| 00:07.39 | KittyHelena | you can't miss it |
| 00:09.12 | abrotman | your patches? |
| 00:09.26 | KittyHelena | abrotman: Patches for what? |
| 00:09.32 | KittyHelena | You're being vague. |
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| 00:10.19 | mechabit | After installing the i386 packages, unfortunately firefox still refuses to open. I'm still getting a "./firefox-bin: No such file or directory" error. |
| 00:10.38 | KittyHelena | mechabit: Then create it |
| 00:10.40 | mechabit | Not sure what I'm doing wrong, I'm not in the incorrect directory or anything. |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | mechabit: what's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 00:10.46 | mechabit | It's already there KittyHelena |
| 00:10.48 | gnarface | KittyHelena: what he's saying is he's got no fucking clue, but won't verbally admit it, and encourages you to literally send your suggested replacement page for the part of the documentation in question you found to be inaccurate |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | KittyHelena: you're not helping him .. |
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| 00:11.18 | KittyHelena | gnarface: okies |
| 00:11.22 | abrotman | gnarface: I'm saying that whining about deficient docs but doing nothing about it won't help. I wouldn't help KittyHelena even if I knew exactly what she was talking about. |
| 00:11.27 | mechabit | abrotman: Mainly because it's what I'm accustomed to for the last 7+ years. |
| 00:11.35 | KittyHelena | I come here for support, not for dumbasses to pretend to be clever. |
| 00:11.35 | gnarface | KittyHelena: (additionally, when you do i'd like to see it too; i still can't figure out how to build my own live images either) |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | mechabit: have you tried Iceweasel |
| 00:11.54 | mechabit | abrotman: Also, I don't believe it has support for ghostery/noscript iirc last time I checked. |
| 00:11.58 | KittyHelena | gnarface: I have a live image already |
| 00:12.09 | KittyHelena | I just can't seem to inject stuff into it |
| 00:12.11 | abrotman | KittyHelena: so what have you tried? why doesn't it work? Running in here every time you have a problem without any reference of what oyu've done and whining it does'nt work doesn't seem to get you very far |
| 00:12.32 | KittyHelena | I already stated abrotman that I ran sudo lb build |
| 00:12.37 | abrotman | mechabit: ldd ./firefox-bin what does it say? |
| 00:12.52 | abrotman | KittyHelena: sounds good, i'm sure gnarface has the answers you need |
| 00:13.04 | abrotman | mechabit: use a pastebin if necessary |
| 00:13.12 | KittyHelena | Shut up |
| 00:13.21 | KittyHelena | if you want to help me then please do |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | No, I don't |
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| 00:13.37 | mechabit | abrotman: "not a dynamic executable". I've marked it through chmod though. |
| 00:13.42 | KittyHelena | but stop asking me things and then saything things like "Oh what's his face will help you." |
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| 00:13.50 | KittyHelena | It really doesn't help me and is rather annoying |
| 00:14.02 | abrotman | KittyHelena: your questions are not phrased well, you won't get help with what you've stated so far |
| 00:14.17 | KittyHelena | then I will rephrase |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | KittyHelena: but please feel free to pester gnarface |
| 00:14.37 | abrotman | mechabit: wait, why are you using the 32bit and not the 64bit build? |
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| 00:15.02 | _di | hey there |
| 00:15.14 | KittyHelena | Anyway... |
| 00:15.20 | mechabit | abrotman: I am, for some reason when I tried accessing ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/24.0/linux-x86_64/en-US/ it would time-out in debian but not in my main distro. |
| 00:15.29 | _di | why wouldnt work ulimit -u with /bin/sh, but work with /bin/bash? |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | mechabit: if you 'strace ./firefox-bin', where does it fall out? |
| 00:16.14 | abrotman | mechabit: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/24.0/linux-x86_64/en-US/ .. FWIW, says no such thing |
| 00:16.19 | KittyHelena | I run sudo lb build inside the distro root and so it gets on with it's work downloaded debian however... I don't know what to do after adding files to the chroot. What I want to do is create an ISO. |
| 00:16.37 | KittyHelena | I want to create an ISO with the chroot filesystem in it with the changes I want to make to it. |
| 00:17.13 | mechabit | abrotman: it's ftp, here's the main tree ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ |
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| 00:17.29 | _di | ok.. seems thats b/c ulimit -u under /bin/sh is actually ulimit -p. |
| 00:18.00 | abrotman | mechabit: if you click on 24.0, i get the page that says it doesn't exist. |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | mechabit: though the ESR directory is fine |
| 00:18.22 | KittyHelena | mechabit: How come you don't want to use iceweasel? iceweasel is basically debian branded firefox for legal reasons nothing more. |
| 00:18.24 | abrotman | mechabit: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/24.0esr/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
| 00:19.00 | Brigo | KittyHelena: do you have a file called "binary.hybrid.iso"? |
| 00:19.07 | KittyHelena | Brigo: No |
| 00:19.22 | KittyHelena | some member from my team was able to make that ISO |
| 00:19.22 | Brigo | any error then? |
| 00:19.44 | mechabit | abrotman: strace pastebin.com/3x8831gd |
| 00:19.45 | KittyHelena | yet when I follow his instructions I don't even get an ISO, I just get the contents in binary/live |
| 00:19.49 | KittyHelena | Brigo: No errors |
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| 00:20.13 | mechabit | abrotman: Also pardon my ignorance, I've never had an issue like this before, I'm just trying to get into debian, I used crunch-bang before but never had an issue like this. |
| 00:20.30 | Brigo | KittyHelena: and what about log? |
| 00:20.37 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | mechabit: after you added i386, did you actually install anything ? |
| 00:21.01 | KittyHelena | Brigo: May I ask where that is stored? |
| 00:21.21 | mechabit | abrotman: Negative |
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| 00:21.43 | Brigo | i think in root directory. |
| 00:21.56 | abrotman | mechabit: so, all the libaries it depends on still aren't installed? :) |
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| 00:22.52 | abrotman | mechabit: which plugin are you trying to use? |
| 00:23.01 | mechabit | abrotman: Oh... *facepalm*. Guess I forgot that bit. But, when I try to install I still get the error that I have held broken packages |
| 00:23.02 | KittyHelena | Brigo: weird cause it hasn't created one |
| 00:23.03 | phr3ak | how could I divide with a lower number than 1? i got division by zero error |
| 00:23.11 | Brigo | i you can't get the iso compiled, get no errors and no logs, i think you have somethins missconfigured. :-m |
| 00:23.27 | KittyHelena | Brigo: you can try it out for urself at http://github.com/soccermitchy/lp-live |
| 00:23.34 | KittyHelena | idk if it's me or the build system or what. |
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| 00:23.52 | abrotman | phr3ak: what? |
| 00:24.00 | KittyHelena | well mitchell was always able to build an ISO |
| 00:24.02 | mechabit | abrotman: I'm just wondering if I'll face similar challenges getting other programs running at this point if I can't configure firefox, I guess I could convert to iceweasel though |
| 00:24.13 | Brigo | KittyHelena: sorry, ther is no logs. :-) |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | mechabit: it's not just that you're using FF, you're trying to use the 32bit version .. the 64bit version would be easier to run |
| 00:24.38 | KittyHelena | He even built one for me tonight and uploaded it for me but it's not the point, I want to modify the filesystem. |
| 00:24.48 | mechabit | abrotman: Could you give me a link to a download of a 64bit so I can give it a shot? |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | mechabit: i gave the ESR link above |
| 00:25.00 | KittyHelena | Brigo: May I PM? |
| 00:25.11 | mechabit | abrotman: Okay, I will give it a try now, thank you very much for your help so far. |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | mechabit: i shuld note that noscript is already packaged, and i'm not sure what ghostery is, but it should work with IW just fine |
| 00:26.12 | Brigo | KittyHelena: PM? |
| 00:26.18 | abrotman | Brigo: privmsg |
| 00:26.24 | KittyHelena | Brigo: May I msg you? |
| 00:26.31 | KittyHelena | message, private message |
| 00:26.34 | KittyHelena | query |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | you could PM gnarface |
| 00:28.18 | KittyHelena | abrotman!*@* added to ignorelist |
| 00:28.51 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 00:29.08 | mechabit | abrotman: Thanks, that corrected it. I'm going to take a look into converting over to Iceweasel though. I just can't stand leaving some things unresolved. |
| 00:29.17 | Brigo | KittyHelena: ok, i trying to make the iso too. |
| 00:29.24 | KittyHelena | okies :3 |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | mechabit: also note, IW24 is in wheezy-backports |
| 00:30.31 | Brigo | KittyHelena: if you delete de /cache, you will need to download all again. |
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| 00:33.30 | nonconvergent | Well I have no idea what I'm doing. |
| 00:33.39 | KittyHelena | Brigo: I haven't been deleting that |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | nonconvergent: regarding what? |
| 00:34.01 | Tordek | hi |
| 00:34.27 | zykotick9 | abrotman: 24 is in wheezy-backports? are you sure? sid has 23, and experimental has 24? wheezy-backports isn't mentioned in judd's "versions iceweasel", and i don't see it on my box? |
| 00:34.34 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 00:34.35 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 23.0.1-1; experimental: 24.0~b9-1 |
| 00:34.36 | Japella | Package: iceweasel on i386 squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 23.0.1-1; experimental: 24.0~b9-1 now has -1 karma |
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| 00:34.55 | abrotman | Japella: feel free to msg me when you've disabled whatever that is |
| 00:35.05 | Tordek | I pinned iceweasel to experimental with 1000 score, and unstable with 900 score (and testing with 800 score on all packages, and all packages at -1 with experimental and unstable) |
| 00:35.22 | Tordek | but my system keeps trying to downgrade iceweasel (well, synaptic tries to) |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | zykotick9: maybe i misread the website |
| 00:35.35 | Tordek | what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 00:35.42 | blackjack | do we have CSF firewall or DDoS deflate in debian? |
| 00:35.50 | abrotman | zykotick9: oh, i did |
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| 00:36.34 | abrotman | zykotick9: MDN has IW23 |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | mechabit: see mozilla.debian.net for a more recent veresion of Iceweasel |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | zykotick9: I saw the bit at the top about squeeze and IW24 |
| 00:37.34 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i usually do use m.d.n, but i'm not right now (when security went to 17 i was good with that). |
| 00:37.37 | mechabit | abrotman: Tyvm |
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| 00:40.22 | blackjack | is there ddos deflate application for debian? |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | blackjack: are you aware of any for linux in general? |
| 00:41.42 | blackjack | newbie here |
| 00:43.19 | blackjack | abrotman, im not aware of. SOmeone just recommend me to install one to avoid my vps from going down everytime it experiences ddos |
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| 00:44.05 | abrotman | blackjack: The better solution is to talk to your hosting provider, you generally can't do much about a true DDoS |
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| 00:44.30 | nonconvergent | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#How_to_remotely_start_virtual_machines_using_VNC Trying this but I'm having trouble. |
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| 00:45.08 | abrotman | blackjack: if you google, seems like it's a number of simple scripts |
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| 00:45.50 | blackjack | yeah it says its a lightweight bash shell script |
| 00:46.41 | nonconvergent | I think the intent is that I run tightvncserver on my vbox host, then ssh tunnel...then run xtightvncviewer on which one? |
| 00:46.42 | blackjack | abrotman, im using a cheap vps. maybe they can't do anything about it. so What do you recommend.. is there any other better software than ddos deflate, how about CSF firewall? |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | blackjack: try the script you found |
| 00:47.02 | blackjack | ok |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | nonconvergent: you run the viewer on your desktop |
| 00:47.46 | nonconvergent | abrotman: but from inside the tunnel? |
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| 00:48.37 | abrotman | say what? |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | nonconvergent: the instructions there are decent, did you ttry them? |
| 00:49.12 | nonconvergent | ...did I break something? I'm having trouble shelling in now. |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | you'll have to give us more detail then 'trouble' |
| 00:49.39 | nonconvergent | "ssh: Could not resolve hostname neuromancer:10.0.0.19: Name or service not known" |
| 00:49.47 | nonconvergent | Oh, oops. |
| 00:49.50 | nonconvergent | no @ |
| 00:50.12 | nonconvergent | Sorry, trying to do too much at once. |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | so settle down, read them again |
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| 01:02.14 | ket_ | hi i'm new to debian and i'm trying to install 7.1 on my macmini 6,2 (using the DVD). installation went well and i was able to boot into it. unfortunately the ethernet card is not working. i searched on |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | ethernet or wifi? |
| 01:02.37 | ket_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.40 | ket_ | ethernet |
| 01:02.54 | abrotman | ket_: but how will you get the newer kernel? |
| 01:03.00 | ket_ | its broadcom netxtreme bcrm57766 |
| 01:03.08 | abrotman | ket_: there's a newer kernel in backports |
| 01:03.24 | ket_ | exactly, my question is how to get a newer kernel without a connection |
| 01:03.32 | ket_ | maybe with a usb? |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | ket_: have a 128MB usb drive handy? |
| 01:03.41 | dvs | apt-zip? |
| 01:03.53 | ket_ | yes have a usb ready |
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| 01:04.05 | ket_ | but were do i get the kernels? |
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| 01:04.13 | Guest64627 | how to make HDs spin off |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | okay .. moment |
| 01:04.15 | Guest64627 | ? |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | ket_: what is 'uname -r' currently? |
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| 01:05.46 | ket_ | uname -r gives 3.2.0-4-amd64 i heard it was fixed in 3.3 |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | ket_: moment |
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| 01:06.14 | abrotman | ket_: you'll need at least the two following files |
| 01:06.17 | abrotman | ket_: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64_3.10.5-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb |
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| 01:06.33 | abrotman | ket_: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/initramfs-tools_0.113~bpo70+1_all.deb |
| 01:06.50 | ket_ | and then dpkg -i right? |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | yes, with both packages named at the same line |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | so dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb |
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| 01:07.58 | ket_ | cool, do i also need the relevant linux-headers package? |
| 01:08.05 | ket_ | or some other dependency? |
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| 01:08.33 | abrotman | ket_: worry about that after you get functional network, it'll be much easier |
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| 01:10.24 | ket_ | abrotman: cool thanks i'll give it a shot |
| 01:10.46 | abrotman | ket_: you may need a few more packages, don't get distressed if it doesn't work the first time |
| 01:11.22 | ket_ | ok thanks for the heads up |
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| 01:13.11 | blackjack | abrotman, is it possible to use ddos deflate in tandem with a good software firewall? |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | like iptables? |
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| 01:14.57 | cloudbender | . |
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| 01:19.09 | Guest64627 | how to make HDs spindown on PC?f |
| 01:19.49 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/41445/ Following https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#How_to_remotely_start_virtual_machines_using_VNC more or less up to a point...when... |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | Guest64627: hdparm |
| 01:20.22 | blackjack | yes abrotman like ip tables. is advance policy firewal (APF) and CSF firewall all iptables firewalls right? |
| 01:20.37 | blackjack | and which do you recommend. |
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| 01:20.52 | abrotman | blackjack: i already suggested you talk to your provider |
| 01:21.02 | Guest64627 | abrotman, I did hdparm but it sounds like it still spin |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:24.37 | nonconvergent | Little help? |
| 01:25.07 | Guest64627 | it also vibrate and hot |
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| 02:00.13 | secher | I'm having one hell of a time trying to get this centrino N card to recognize the 5Ghz bandwidth. Does anyone have any pointers to get a supposedly 5ghz card to recognize the 5ghz network? Debian unstable. |
| 02:00.34 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/41445/ Following https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#How_to_remotely_start_virtual_machines_using_VNC more or less up to a point. As you can see, I hit an error before I can launch the vm. |
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| 02:00.38 | abrotman | like 802.11a ? |
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| 02:00.54 | abrotman | nonconvergent: we can't see, that's a wiki, not your error |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | waves at secher |
| 02:01.16 | secher | abrotman: Heyas man. :) |
| 02:03.52 | secher | abrotman: actually, it simply is not seeing anything in the 5ghz range, A, N, or otherwise. It sees all channels in the 2.4 range no problem. |
| 02:05.08 | secher | iwlist | grep Freq feeds me a dozen responses, but I know there are at least two Asus routers providing a 5Ghz connection, but nada. |
| 02:05.21 | secher | Oh, a dozen responses in the 2.4 range. |
| 02:05.27 | secher | but none in the 5 |
| 02:06.00 | secher | It's a Centrino Wireless-n 2230 NIC |
| 02:06.06 | MAL____ | Hi, I've been having issues launching applications in Debian 7.1. It says "Starting..." in the taskbar, the line disappears and then nothing launches. For example I have Firefox open, I try to launch Icedove, Filezilla, Nautilus, etc.. and they won't launch.. I close Firefox and now I can launch 1 app. |
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| 02:06.50 | MAL____ | Seems like a queue fills up and log off/log on flushes it. Everything works fine after a log off until that counter gets reached again and it stops working. |
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| 02:08.15 | abrotman | secher: you did install the firmware, right ? |
| 02:08.18 | secher | MAL____: I'm no expert, but is top showing anyting unusual? |
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| 02:08.48 | secher | abrotman: Yep.. iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode |
| 02:09.51 | MAL____ | secher : There's no weird usage in Top, everything looks fine to me. I've read something about dbus-daemon maybe being the cause of this but I'm not too sure. |
| 02:09.51 | nonconvergent | abrotman: do you not see my paste right there on the same line? |
| 02:09.53 | abrotman | that's an older intel wifi NIC AFAIK |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | nonconvergent: nope, missed it |
| 02:10.11 | Maple__ | <x-post> Quick question: is there any way to obtain and set gala as the window manager in debian wheezy? |
| 02:10.13 | secher | MAL____: Looking now. |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | nonconvergent: moment |
| 02:10.36 | blackjack | abrotman, which do you recommend better, APF firewall or CSF one? |
| 02:11.11 | abrotman | blackjack: for what? |
| 02:11.20 | abrotman | nonconvergent: seems like the port numbers are wrong ? |
| 02:11.28 | blackjack | for ddos mitigation |
| 02:11.30 | blackjack | protection |
| 02:11.55 | secher | MAL____: If you try and kick off an instance of whichever browser in the command line, do you get any error messages, assumingyou're reached the single instance limit? |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | blackjack: i already told you what i'd do |
| 02:12.37 | blackjack | ok abrotman only for monitoring |
| 02:12.39 | blackjack | which is better |
| 02:12.59 | nonconvergent | abrotman: tcp 0 0 *:5901 *:* LISTEN 8803/Xtightvnc |
| 02:12.59 | blackjack | if you want to monitor your inbound/outbound activities |
| 02:13.02 | nonconvergent | tcp 0 0 *:x11-1 *:* LISTEN 8803/Xtightvnc |
| 02:13.07 | nonconvergent | abrotman: tcp 0 0 *:5901 *:* LISTEN 8803/Xtightvnc |
| 02:13.10 | blackjack | nonconvergent, what firewall are you using |
| 02:13.37 | MAL____ | secher : I get "Maximum number of clients reachedMaximum number of clients reachedError: cannot open display: :0.0" I didn't think of trying that, it's certainly something to build on.. thanks :) |
| 02:13.57 | nonconvergent | blackjack: ...none at the moment. |
| 02:14.00 | secher | MAL____: Np. Let's see if I can give you a hand. |
| 02:14.28 | secher | MAL____: Is is just browsers, or is it all applications? |
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| 02:15.10 | MAL____ | secher : a few different ones, but I usually notice it when launching Icedove, Iceweasel, Filezilla and some times nautilus to browse some files. |
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| 02:15.53 | secher | MAL____: xlsclients | wc -l |
| 02:16.36 | MAL____ | says 18 currently |
| 02:17.08 | secher | MAL____: what release are you running? |
| 02:17.47 | MAL____ | Debian 7.1 Wheezy |
| 02:18.47 | secher | MAL____: sort of a shot in the dark, but did you isntall the lastpass chrome extension? |
| 02:19.23 | MAL____ | secher : nope, I just use icedove with no plugins installed except for Flash-Nonfree I think |
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| 02:19.32 | MAL____ | secher : by icedove I meant iceweasel |
| 02:19.52 | secher | MAL____: I know. |
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| 02:20.01 | secher | MAL____: Hrm.. ok, more googling. |
| 02:20.10 | nonconvergent | abrotman: beats me. I have sshd on yggdrasil listening on port 10099. I haven't touched ports for anything else. |
| 02:20.24 | jwilliams1 | how to change chromium so that it won't open pdf by gimp? btw, i don't use gnome and using xgd-mime requires desktop which my working platform seems do not have. |
| 02:20.25 | secher | MAL____: is that the whole error? If not, could you pastebin it? |
| 02:20.51 | MAL____ | secher : that was the whole error. |
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| 02:25.00 | ass_sommelier | hello |
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| 02:26.20 | ass_sommelier | i need some help with my wireless;-) |
| 02:26.31 | ass_sommelier | disconect every 10 minutes. |
| 02:26.53 | ass_sommelier | Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter |
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| 02:27.41 | secher | MAL____: Running KDE? |
| 02:28.07 | ass_sommelier | help-:P |
| 02:28.18 | dvs | ass_sommelier: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 02:28.25 | ass_sommelier | cool |
| 02:28.52 | MAL____ | secher : running Gnome, had the minimize to tray plugin in Icedove and removed it but same issue. |
| 02:30.39 | secher | MAL____: Do you have an active background, e.g. changing wallpaper? |
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| 02:31.14 | MAL____ | secher : nope, it's set to just 1 image. I use lock desktop but no screensaver, no sleep mode or anything like that. |
| 02:31.15 | ass_sommelier | i can istall ralink-firmware with synaptic? |
| 02:31.46 | ass_sommelier | with ethernet of course and later plug my wifi anthem? |
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| 02:32.46 | secher | MAL____: Hah! I was about to post that you should turn off your minimize to tray in IceDove. :) Feh. |
| 02:33.06 | ass_sommelier | "escuse my english" |
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| 02:33.49 | dvs | wonders why people stray from straight forward instructions |
| 02:34.13 | ass_sommelier | im noob man |
| 02:34.17 | ass_sommelier | sossy |
| 02:34.22 | ass_sommelier | sorry* |
| 02:35.04 | secher | MAL____: Ok, do a ps aux | grep chrome |
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| 02:35.48 | secher | do you have any instances of chrome? If you have chromium installed, pleae retry with that.\ |
| 02:36.12 | MAL____ | secher : don't exactly understand the results but here you go : mal 9793 0.0 0.0 7828 872 pts/0 S+ 22:35 0:00 grep chrome |
| 02:36.32 | ass_sommelier | damn wireless!! |
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| 02:42.25 | secher | MAL____: man, this is a bugger... |
| 02:44.51 | MAL____ | secher : I'll keep searching :P, atleast I have an error code now. Don't want to take up too much of your time. Thanks for your help :) |
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| 02:47.03 | KittyHelena | POOOOO! |
| 02:47.08 | KittyHelena | smells of fish in here! |
| 02:47.18 | dvs | cats like fish |
| 02:47.21 | KittyHelena | I think it's abrotman's bad hygiene |
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| 02:48.04 | themill | KittyHelena: grow up |
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| 02:52.55 | secher | MAL____: what does this return: xwininfo -root -children | grep children |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | win 27 |
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| 02:53.37 | MAL____ | secher : 110 children |
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| 02:53.59 | secher | MAL____: Hrm.. your limit should be at LEAST 512. |
| 02:54.33 | MAL____ | secher : I think we're probably on the same thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2005853&page=3 |
| 02:55.36 | MAL____ | secher : hard limit, dbus or amd driver issue (which I use).. I tried to kill dbus at some point and I'm pretty sure my whole UI disappeared :\ |
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| 02:57.34 | bneg | Other than the obvious manuals, are there any good resources for running xen on debian? |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | The wiki has some notes |
| 02:58.15 | bneg | The wiki is pretty sparse |
| 02:58.45 | bneg | ie. Backups, quick notes, etc |
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| 02:58.51 | abrotman | bigger than most other pages in the wiki, |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | what other resources would you like? |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | bneg: wouldn't those docs also be at xen.org ? |
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| 03:04.57 | secher | MAL____: I hate to suggest this, but can you create a new user and test to see if this continues as the new user? At least then it will be narrowed down to either systemic or user. |
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| 03:09.42 | pablo | hello guys, is there a way to change the screen resolution while the debian initscripts are running (a initscript config option) |
| 03:09.49 | pablo | I am using sysv |
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| 03:12.02 | MAL- | secher : restarted gdm3 and it didn't go all too well but now everything is back to normal since I had to log back in.. It'll be difficult to test to see what fixes it but it could very well be an AMD driver issue. I don't want to try their beta driver just yet so I'll wait it out for a bit I suppose. |
| 03:14.43 | secher | MAL-: Ah, man, that sucks. One last thing I'd like to suggest (I really have to figure out this 5Ghz thing). Can you try loading xfce4 and log in with that as your desktop environment? I don't suggest it tonight, but rather as a way to perhaps avoid something inherent in Gnome. |
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| 03:16.41 | MAL- | secher : I've tried xfce4 a few weeks ago but I had some other issues with it which made me try gnome instead.. I'd rather not go back just yet :). Thanks again for all the tips and for helping me find that error message though. When it comes up again I'll take another look. |
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| 03:17.33 | secher | Cool. GL man. |
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| 03:22.47 | Kunda | ,version postfix |
| 03:22.48 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.1-2; sid: 2.10.2-1; experimental: 2.11-20130825-1 |
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| 03:26.12 | somiaj | Kunda: you can also /msg judd version postfix |
| 03:28.46 | Kunda | thx, sorry |
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| 03:45.43 | secher | abrotman, you still around? |
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| 03:53.12 | secher | Ahah.. So, I got the server and two Raspberry Pis in. I have two virtual machines running on Debian on the server and just finished installing Raspbian on the Pis today. We're going to use xvnc and use the Pis as an RDP client for the VMs in the server for our off campus staff. :-)) |
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| 04:00.32 | nonconvergent | secher: Can I ask you about the vnc and rdp stuff? |
| 04:00.43 | nonconvergent | I'm a little confused on how to set mine up. |
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| 04:03.52 | nonconvergent | I set up my vms in vbox on my desktop, with vrdp enabled. I can access them with rdesktop remotely just fine. |
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| 04:04.41 | adh0c | Is there a better channel than here a question about bash scripting? |
| 04:04.49 | adh0c | er, to ask a question, that is. |
| 04:05.05 | nonconvergent | but it's not very secure, and I want to be able to access them remotely with my laptop from school or otherwise. |
| 04:05.24 | nonconvergent | adh0c: ##bash |
| 04:06.14 | adh0c | nonconvergent: how counter-intutive! ;-) |
| 04:06.16 | adh0c | cheers |
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| 04:12.10 | jcbjoe | how goes my fellow debian users/people |
| 04:12.15 | jcbjoe | you know who you are o_O |
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| 04:14.29 | jcbjoe | i love i3-wm but it lacks any powermanagement / anyone else use i3 |
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| 04:25.33 | juun | Hi. Anyone know how to change the GDM3 panel font? |
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| 04:27.56 | sobersabre | juun: I haven't done this, but it is all css, so you should be find your theme's folder, search for panel related stuff, and change-revert one by one :) |
| 04:28.33 | sobersabre | also, google shows this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1801927 |
| 04:28.44 | sobersabre | you should be able to extrapolate to debian. |
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| 04:29.03 | juun | It's strange, I edited /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css and it changes in my user's Gnome environment but not in GDM. |
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| 04:31.12 | juun | I'll try adding [org.gnome.desktop.interface] to a different gsettings file, since .../ubuntu.artwork.gschema.override probably doesn't exist in Debian. |
| 04:31.51 | juun | I've been Googling for about 30 mins :( |
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| 04:32.54 | Kunda | "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress." just upgraded from Debian squeeze to wheezy |
| 04:33.01 | Kunda | any ideas ? |
| 04:33.28 | somiaj | Kunda: which mysql extension, can you figure out more than just that error? |
| 04:33.38 | juun | Install php5-mysql? |
| 04:34.56 | Kunda | Package: php5-mysql |
| 04:34.56 | Kunda | Status: install ok installed |
| 04:35.22 | Kunda | somiaj, logs don |
| 04:35.37 | Kunda | logs aren't being helpful |
| 04:36.35 | Kunda | i bet when i installed php5 it over-wrote the INI file |
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| 04:42.07 | Guest64627 | how to make HDs spindown on PC?f |
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| 04:45.20 | somiaj | Kunda: yea I missed the PHP part, haha. maybe try to reinstall the php5 and php5-mysql packages and let it reset up the config files. |
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| 04:46.23 | Kunda | somiaj, I'm going to copy the php.ini file from backup and see if that fixes it first |
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| 04:51.32 | smw | Hi all, I have an encrypted lvm system. How can I make the root partition bigger (and the adjacent partition smaller)? |
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| 04:54.08 | juun | No luck, thanks anyway, sobersabre. |
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| 05:17.56 | Gm4n | is there any particular trick to migrating i686 to amd64? install 64bit kernel, install 64bit of all packages, remove 32bit? |
| 05:18.19 | taime1 | How do I report inaccuracies in the Debian mirrors? |
| 05:19.10 | taime1 | I downloaded kfreebsd lxde iso and despite being named lxde, it's actually the xfce version. not a drop of openbox or lxde |
| 05:19.23 | aypea[1] | gm4n: that /seems/ reasonable but I think you'll have more fun than a re-install. |
| 05:19.43 | taime1 | i realize this is probably the wrong place, which is why i ask |
| 05:19.52 | Gm4n | aypea[1]: but I did a fair bit of work with system setup =( |
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| 05:22.38 | aypea[1] | gm4n: in your account or globally? if globally, save a copy of /etc and a copy of the packages you've installed. once you've got all your packages re-installed diff the new /etc vs your saved one and migrate changes. |
| 05:23.06 | aypea[1] | gm4n: if /home then just don't nuke /home. reinstall all your packages. should be ok (or at least mostly ok) |
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| 05:27.14 | sobersabre | Gm4n: why not reinstall ? |
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| 05:27.54 | sobersabre | Also, if you've installed the system properly, and have enough disk space, you could have 2 installs of system under different architectures. |
| 05:28.22 | Gm4n | I have enough disk space - not sure how to know if I installed "properly" :) |
| 05:28.22 | sobersabre | (properly=used a /home partition + didn't add non-portable junk into your path/toolbox. |
| 05:28.47 | sobersabre | non-portable = architecture specific. |
| 05:29.27 | sobersabre | you could migrate into separate partition, but this (should) is identical as to install from scratch -> restore from backup. |
| 05:29.39 | sobersabre | I mean time-wise. |
| 05:29.46 | Gm4n | I'll do a fresh install later, then |
| 05:31.21 | sobersabre | actually a fresh install is quicker than: create partition, migrate, reconfig (incl. reboot), then install extra system with existing home, then sync uids so... |
| 05:31.51 | sobersabre | unless it's just for the sake of experiment (PoC so to speak) |
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| 05:38.24 | speedfire | Hi anyone have an idea how I can fix my rucurrent problem ? I don't have any right clique on my laptop under debian Jessie. I know it's a Synaptic Touchpad with 2 hardware buttons but I cannot use it. Any idea ? |
| 05:39.09 | Guest64627 | how to make HDs spindown on PC ? |
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| 05:50.07 | alphazulu | something is drastically wrong with networking on wheezy. on 3 different machines, after I installed wheezy, added some software and rebooted, neither lo nor main network iface came up |
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| 05:50.35 | alphazulu | also /etc/init.d/networking restart says "device not found" and also fails |
| 05:50.57 | themill | perhaps you could pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:51.04 | alphazulu | also "ifup eth0" and "ifup lo" fail with device not found |
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| 05:51.13 | alphazulu | themill: ok |
| 05:51.29 | aypea[1] | alpha: also dmesg |
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| 05:52.34 | alphazulu | http://paste.debian.net/41660/ |
| 05:52.53 | alphazulu | one further thing: "ifconfig lo up" and "ifconfig eth0 ... " DOES work |
| 05:53.14 | aypea[1] | alpha: one interface per auto, I think |
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| 05:53.30 | alphazulu | aypea[1]: not according to man page |
| 05:53.44 | alphazulu | aypea[1]: and it doesn't make any difference either way |
| 05:53.55 | aypea[1] | alpha: hmm |
| 05:54.14 | alphazulu | this has now happened with 3 brand new wheezy installs |
| 05:54.38 | aypea[1] | alpha: the only real difference between yours and mine is that I just have auto lo |
| 05:54.50 | alphazulu | aypea[1]: that's not the problem |
| 05:54.53 | aypea[1] | alpha: try simplifying the file to barebones. just have the lo config there. |
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| 05:56.42 | magnulu | I have done a dist-upgrade from squeeze and experiencing a strange error; cannot ping any hosts from the cli.. I can ssh into the box and browse the web from iceweasel (through freenx).. |
| 05:56.51 | magnulu | cannot see anything relevant in any logs |
| 05:57.07 | aypea[1] | magnulu: can't ping as root or as a normal user? |
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| 05:57.24 | magnulu | aypea[1]: neither |
| 05:57.34 | alphazulu | wow. so i only left in the 2 lines for lo and after reboot lo does not come up |
| 05:57.35 | Guest64627 | how to find out which /dev is the dvdrw? |
| 05:57.47 | aypea[1] | alpha: wow. impressive. I'm out. sorry. :) |
| 05:58.07 | aypea[1] | has more wheezy boxes than he care poke a stick at and has not had this issue. :) |
| 05:58.29 | aypea[1] | also squeeze, lenny and have had sarge and etch and potato. |
| 05:58.35 | aypea[1] | so well done :) |
| 05:59.11 | themill | alphazulu: is there some sort of virtualisation involved here? |
| 05:59.19 | alphazulu | themill: no |
| 05:59.55 | alphazulu | themill: its an e1000 iface |
| 05:59.57 | themill | alphazulu: you said it did work after the first boot from the installer to be able to install software, but then not after that? |
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| 06:00.34 | magnulu | aypea[1]: any suggestions on how to troubleshoot my situation? |
| 06:00.48 | alphazulu | themill: yes after installer the first boot it did work because it was doing DHCP. then I set it to a static ip and it failed after that. now i took out eth0 stanzas completely and even lo won't come up. |
| 06:01.17 | themill | alphazulu: what does "file /etc/network/interfaces" say? |
| 06:01.33 | aypea[1] | ooh. utf8? |
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| 06:01.47 | aypea[1] | magnulu: check firewall with iptables |
| 06:01.48 | themill | sounds like you need to hit your editor hard |
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| 06:01.49 | alphazulu | themill: http://paste.debian.net/41660/ (but i just commented out all the eth0 lines) |
| 06:01.59 | aypea[1] | magnulu: does ping give you an error? |
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| 06:03.00 | themill | alphazulu: no, I literally mean the command "file /etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 06:03.13 | magnulu | aypea[1]: no, ping does not give me anything.. |
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| 06:03.31 | alphazulu | themill: ASCII text |
| 06:03.33 | aypea[1] | magnulu: iptables, then? iptables -vnL |
| 06:03.41 | themill | is running out of straws to clutch |
| 06:04.00 | aypea[1] | hrm |
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| 06:04.05 | themill | alphazulu: what else did you install/remove between successful and unsuccessful reboots? |
| 06:04.08 | aypea[1] | alpha: ls -lad / ? |
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| 06:04.36 | magnulu | aypea[1]: not much - http://paste.debian.net/41661/ |
| 06:04.44 | alphazulu | themill: vim rsync cpufrequtils wpasupplicant pcmciautils |
| 06:04.44 | alphazulu | screen dselect acpid powermgmt-base acpi powertop acpitool thinkfan deborphan sudo anacron pm-utils cron-apt laptop-mode-tools ethtool dphys-swapfile intel-microcode iucode-tool kacpimon apt-file build-essential fail2ban |
| 06:05.08 | aypea[1] | magnulu: empty. can you ping your gateway? can you ping the boxes own ip? |
| 06:05.43 | alphazulu | themill: i just restored /etc/network/interfaces to exactly how it was after install and after a reboot still no ifaces came up. |
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| 06:05.54 | magnulu | aypea[1]: I can ping the box, but not the gateway |
| 06:06.43 | themill | alphazulu: that's all harmless enough. |
| 06:07.04 | alphazulu | themill: yes just building a bare server that is running with no X |
| 06:07.27 | aypea[1] | alpha: run the ls? I've seen weirdness with bad permissions there |
| 06:07.29 | alphazulu | themill: this has happened three times. once on a hosted VM and now twice on my own boxes. |
| 06:07.46 | DANtheBEASTman | is there a way to tell what packages I've installed from which release? I have a couple packages from testing and sid I want to upgrade [i know, i know, mixing releases is bad] |
| 06:08.01 | alphazulu | aypea[1]: 644 for interfaces file |
| 06:08.10 | themill | dpkg: tell DANtheBEASTman about which repo |
| 06:08.24 | aypea[1] | alphazulu: what about / /etc and /etc/network? use -lad |
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| 06:09.13 | alphazulu | aypea[1]: 755 for both |
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| 06:09.31 | alphazulu | guess i will file a bug report at this point |
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| 06:09.55 | alphazulu | thanks for the help you guys |
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| 06:10.41 | DANtheBEASTman | themill: thank you |
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| 06:12.14 | themill | alphazulu: this clearly isn't a widespread phenomenon as completely hosed networking would have hundreds of people with hideous problems here. |
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| 06:12.37 | themill | alphazulu: I know that's not much comfort to you right now... and I can't work out what's peculiar to your setup that you are hitting this |
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| 06:14.48 | alphazulu | i wonder if the 127.0.1.1 line in /etc/hosts has anything to do with it? |
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| 06:15.16 | alphazulu | 127.0.1.1 mybox.mydomain.com mybox |
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| 06:15.28 | themill | that's normal |
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| 06:18.29 | alphazulu | this is odd. i typoed my interfaces file after fixing it and when rebooting the eth0 did come up with dhcp. http://paste.debian.net/41667/ |
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| 06:18.47 | alphazulu | but lo still did not come up. |
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| 06:21.08 | magnulu | aypea[1]: I have rtorrent installed on the box, it has outgoing and incoming connections working fine |
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| 06:21.44 | magnulu | irritating problem.. |
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| 06:26.51 | alphazulu | my intuition says issue is somehow related to /etc/init.d/networking script |
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| 06:31.28 | Shi3A | hello everyone, I have a some problem with ulimit: all parameters rollback to defaults after some time. I write new parameters in /etc/secure/limits.conf, but it have no effect. Any ideas? |
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| 06:48.23 | ryan42 | alphazulu: what happens when you #ifup lo |
| 06:48.51 | git-shell | Hi guys, can someone please explain me how do I install intel graphics on debian 7.1? |
| 06:49.29 | mumpitzel | git-shell: you install xorg and then all is already done |
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| 06:50.37 | git-shell | mumpitzel, thanks |
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| 06:59.42 | lkeijser | hi, I'm trying to create a preseed file but it fails at the late_command part. This is the relevant part: http://dpaste.com/1384085/ |
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| 07:01.47 | lkeijser | by 'fails' I mean during the installation, debian installer says "Failed to run preseed command. Execution of ....... failed with exit code 1" |
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| 07:16.51 | rioch | I'm on unstable and need to use git from backports. How can I install it without buggering up my system? |
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| 07:18.33 | nevyn | rioch: backports can't have something not in unstable. |
| 07:18.38 | nevyn | just upgrade |
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| 07:18.58 | rioch | nevyn: I want to downgrade |
| 07:19.00 | FruitsChinpoSamu | hello everyone, is it possible to dual boot debian with windows 8? |
| 07:19.08 | FruitsChinpoSamu | I'm not exactly sure what UEFI means |
| 07:19.10 | rioch | from 1.8.4-rc3 to 1.7.10 |
| 07:19.25 | nevyn | Universal? Extensible Firmware Image ? |
| 07:19.33 | nevyn | rioch: why? |
| 07:19.38 | tralala | !uefi |
| 07:19.39 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 07:20.08 | rioch | nevyn: svn2git fails because it can't setup a tracking branch. A thread on stackoverflow has downgrading as a workaround. |
| 07:20.18 | FruitsChinpoSamu | so I can't right? I'm currently on a stock windows 8 X1 carbon, and if I recall correctly i have the secure boot thingy |
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| 07:20.45 | ryan42 | surely you can turn secure boot off. |
| 07:20.51 | nevyn | rioch: just download the 1.7.3 deb from snapshot.d.n and try installing that |
| 07:20.52 | rioch | FruitsChinpoSamu: That's a lenovo right. I think you can turn it off in the bios. |
| 07:20.54 | nevyn | ryan42: sometimes. |
| 07:21.05 | ryan42 | if you can't turn secure boot off run the PC over with a truck |
| 07:21.07 | FruitsChinpoSamu | but then my computer wouldn't be... secure? yes, it's a lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon |
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| 07:21.23 | ryan42 | if "secure" means "only able to boot the Windows kernel" then you're correct |
| 07:21.26 | nevyn | FruitsChinpoSamu: secureboot is secure for ms and hollywood |
| 07:21.31 | FruitsChinpoSamu | ohhhh |
| 07:21.34 | fortin | hi folks. Anyone knows of a docker squeeze 32bit image out there? |
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| 07:21.35 | nevyn | not secure for you (mostly) |
| 07:21.36 | rioch | nevyn: meaning I can't do it via the repositories? |
| 07:21.44 | nevyn | rioch: not easilly |
| 07:21.46 | FruitsChinpoSamu | is it like a smoke and mirrors trick to hide the windows boot? to appear faster? |
| 07:21.57 | FruitsChinpoSamu | is it where it loads windows by default? |
| 07:21.59 | ryan42 | to prevent things that aren't the windows kernel from booting. |
| 07:21.59 | rioch | nevyn: ok, that's all I needed to know. Thanks. :) |
| 07:22.03 | ryan42 | nothing with speed. |
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| 07:22.11 | FruitsChinpoSamu | I see |
| 07:22.30 | themill | dpkg: tell rioch about snapshots |
| 07:22.31 | FruitsChinpoSamu | so if i want to install debian i need to 1) partition my drives 2) turn off secureboot 3) install as usual? |
| 07:22.37 | nevyn | ryan42: some free os's support secure boot (and you can replace the ms keys with your own... |
| 07:22.49 | nevyn | FruitsChinpoSamu: no yes yes. |
| 07:22.51 | eb0t | hey fruits im tripple booting debian centos and windows 7..using grub |
| 07:23.04 | ryan42 | FruitsChinpoSamu: i'm not surehow you do bootloader iwth efi |
| 07:23.07 | nevyn | FruitsChinpoSamu: don't partition the drive because you'll likely get the GPT wrong |
| 07:23.12 | ryan42 | nevyn: seems like more trouble than its worth |
| 07:23.16 | ryan42 | ah yeah GPT... tricky thing |
| 07:23.18 | FruitsChinpoSamu | im afraid im a complete noob because my only experience is installing ubuntu with wubi |
| 07:23.19 | eb0t | windows is on a small partition at the end of the disk |
| 07:23.46 | FruitsChinpoSamu | I don't want to replace win8 with debian though. I have a 256GB ssd and I would like to install debian on a 32GB partition |
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| 07:24.10 | ryan42 | just blast windows off of there ;-) |
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| 07:24.17 | FruitsChinpoSamu | haha I'm afraid I can't do that |
| 07:24.21 | nevyn | FruitsChinpoSamu: make free space (using whatever) don't make partitions you'll get it wron let the installer help with that. |
| 07:24.31 | FruitsChinpoSamu | is free space not a partition? |
| 07:24.39 | FruitsChinpoSamu | should I just make free space with windows disk manager? |
| 07:24.44 | nevyn | yes |
| 07:24.48 | ryan42 | defragmenting the disk should give you room to shrink the partition |
| 07:24.49 | eb0t | your going to need a decent bootloader..ad |
| 07:24.50 | nevyn | if it will let you |
| 07:24.52 | ryan42 | if you can't shrink it enough. |
| 07:25.05 | ryan42 | do you have an external drive? |
| 07:25.05 | FruitsChinpoSamu | I don't think I'm supposed to defragment an ssd though... |
| 07:25.09 | FruitsChinpoSamu | yes i do |
| 07:25.13 | ryan42 | sometimes you have to break rules :) |
| 07:25.32 | ryan42 | you have to have contiguous free space at the end of the drive to shrink the partition |
| 07:25.40 | nevyn | I didn't think windows could make filesystems or partitions smaller... |
| 07:25.46 | nevyn | online. |
| 07:25.47 | FruitsChinpoSamu | waitwaitwait so can you list some steps i need to do if i want to install debian if i dont want to fuck it up |
| 07:25.50 | ryan42 | it can. |
| 07:25.56 | FruitsChinpoSamu | 1) free space |
| 07:26.00 | ryan42 | I don't know if it can do its own boot partition, but I think it can. |
| 07:26.05 | FruitsChinpoSamu | 2) turn off secure boot |
| 07:26.07 | ryan42 | since XP |
| 07:26.08 | FruitsChinpoSamu | 3) install as usual? |
| 07:26.13 | nevyn | sortof |
| 07:26.20 | nevyn | so 1 and 2 are right |
| 07:26.34 | nevyn | 3 might need some care and attention depending on some stuff.. |
| 07:26.45 | ryan42 | step 0) dd your entire disk to external so you can easily revert if you screw it up |
| 07:26.55 | nevyn | so if you want to install amd64 (whcih you do) you can try it in uefi native mode. |
| 07:27.01 | FruitsChinpoSamu | I managed to install 3 in Hyper-V but the internet was not working and there was some lag |
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| 07:27.17 | FruitsChinpoSamu | what do you mean try it in eufi native mode |
| 07:27.24 | FruitsChinpoSamu | *to install debian |
| 07:27.42 | nevyn | FruitsChinpoSamu: so in the bios of the carbon there's an option for "legacy bios mode" |
| 07:27.47 | nevyn | this will absolutely work. |
| 07:27.56 | nevyn | but require you to change it back to boot windows :( |
| 07:28.19 | FruitsChinpoSamu | i'm so lost. sorry for so many questions! |
| 07:28.23 | nevyn | UEFI replaces the bios. |
| 07:28.36 | ryan42 | FruitsChinpoSamu: did your PC ship with windows 8 pro? |
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| 07:28.47 | FruitsChinpoSamu | yessir, it's stock and it's windows 8 pro |
| 07:28.53 | ryan42 | call lenovo |
| 07:28.56 | FruitsChinpoSamu | i have not done anything in the BIOS other than enable Hyper V |
| 07:28.57 | ryan42 | ask for downgrade media for Win 7 Pro |
| 07:29.03 | FruitsChinpoSamu | but I don't want to |
| 07:29.07 | FruitsChinpoSamu | i want to stay windows 8 |
| 07:29.16 | ryan42 | but...but... |
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| 07:29.49 | ryan42 | heh |
| 07:29.59 | ryan42 | there may be a way to boot win 8 in BIOS mode. not sure |
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| 07:30.34 | FruitsChinpoSamu | wait so as it is right now, I can't install other OSes? I'm so confused. I thought BIOS was everything before the login screen. you mean that's not set in stone too? |
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| 07:31.05 | eb0t | maybe you can run fdsik or gparted ..on a boot disk....and then partition your disk ...making a few new partiotions on the free space |
| 07:31.15 | ryan42 | FruitsChinpoSamu: BIOS is one thing. EFI replaces BIOS. |
| 07:31.24 | ryan42 | Windows 8 on yoru machine is currently booting EFI |
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| 07:31.57 | ryan42 | turning off Secure Boot disables the requirement that the kernel you're booting be signed by one of the keys known by the PC (microsoft's) or some such |
| 07:32.25 | ryan42 | reverting to "legacy mode" or BIOS mode disables EFI and makes your PC a "normal" ole x86 which is much easier to work with |
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| 07:32.34 | ryan42 | but your current win8 install likely wont' boot that way |
| 07:32.41 | FruitsChinpoSamu | ohhhh |
| 07:32.53 | FruitsChinpoSamu | so what's the workaround? |
| 07:33.00 | FruitsChinpoSamu | besides getting rid of win8 :p |
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| 07:33.18 | armistace | ^ this |
| 07:33.23 | ryan42 | i don't know enough about UEFI to say how you should partition it or what not |
| 07:33.37 | ryan42 | or if you'll be able to succesfully UEFI boot the Debian |
| 07:34.22 | FruitsChinpoSamu | ah i see. well it looks like i need to read the manual, but thank you for trying to help! |
| 07:34.36 | ryan42 | what I can suggest tho |
| 07:34.55 | ryan42 | is at least for a time, enable legacy mode / disable secure boot / whatever you need to do to boot from a live cd |
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| 07:35.11 | ryan42 | and use dd to makea block copy of your ssd to a file or another drive |
| 07:35.25 | ryan42 | because you likely have *no physical media* for Windows 8 |
| 07:35.26 | FruitsChinpoSamu | dd? |
| 07:35.43 | ryan42 | so if you bork the install or make it nonbootable you're *screwed* |
| 07:35.54 | ryan42 | !dd |
| 07:35.56 | dpkg | methinks dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 07:35.59 | ryan42 | well that was worth a shot. |
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| 07:36.08 | FruitsChinpoSamu | this is correct, but there is a recovery option/partition here where it reverts everything back to stock. even if i downgrade to win7 this will revert it back to win8 |
| 07:36.10 | ryan42 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix) |
| 07:36.23 | ryan42 | *not* if you break the bootability of your disk. |
| 07:36.30 | FruitsChinpoSamu | true... |
| 07:36.37 | ryan42 | which is easy to do when you're replacing bootloaders and such |
| 07:37.01 | ryan42 | alternative livecd for making the copy : http://clonezilla.org but I'd suggest dd over it. |
| 07:37.05 | FruitsChinpoSamu | do you suggest that I fool around in hyper-v first and familiarize myself with linux before I do this on my actual laptop? |
| 07:37.26 | ryan42 | no |
| 07:37.27 | FruitsChinpoSamu | i have a bunch of old laptops I can install on too but I wanted to install it here because this laptop is really fast |
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| 07:37.42 | ryan42 | if you wanna mess with something just get virtualbox |
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| 07:37.53 | FruitsChinpoSamu | isn't hyper-v the same thing? |
| 07:37.58 | FruitsChinpoSamu | virtualization? |
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| 07:38.54 | julius_ | hi |
| 07:39.04 | ryan42 | eh perhaps it is |
| 07:39.08 | TriJetScud | hyper-v works great with linux when you use a recent kernel or you're willing to backport the newer code back to a desired kernel |
| 07:39.08 | ryan42 | I avoid windows |
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| 07:39.27 | TriJetScud | ryan42: hyper-v is a hypervisor itself |
| 07:39.46 | TriJetScud | think of hyper-v as xen |
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| 07:39.55 | ryan42 | I have always considered hyper-v a competitor to ESXi |
| 07:39.57 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone has installed Etherpad lite? I'm trying to install but I can't. I'm reading some tutos, but I get some errors in the proces |
| 07:40.02 | julius_ | traffic shaping problem, tc redirect description is to long for chat, could you take y look here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=107402 ? |
| 07:40.04 | TriJetScud | because that's how hyper-v operates at |
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| 07:40.27 | ryan42 | FruitsChinpoSamu: speed isn't a big object depending on what you're going to do |
| 07:40.45 | FruitsChinpoSamu | speed isn't really my concern but I do want no input lag |
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| 07:40.58 | ryan42 | you can get started with linux, learn administration, the structure of the OS.... on like 25 MHz |
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| 07:41.29 | FruitsChinpoSamu | I have an old laptop with 1GHz and 512MB RAM |
| 07:41.31 | ryan42 | anything running on bare hardware should have no input lag |
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| 07:41.36 | FruitsChinpoSamu | what distro would best serve my purpose to learn linux |
| 07:41.45 | ryan42 | it doesn't really matter |
| 07:41.59 | TriJetScud | it can realy be any distro |
| 07:42.10 | TriJetScud | just use one you find that suits you well |
| 07:42.10 | ryan42 | use a package based distribution if you don't want to wait for your slowpoke to compile everything |
| 07:42.18 | ryan42 | debian qualifies in that regard |
| 07:42.18 | FruitsChinpoSamu | okay. I guess I'll leave my main laptop as windows for now, thanks for bearing with me guys! have a good night |
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| 07:45.02 | ryan42 | well its late. I guess I'll sleep |
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| 09:12.14 | g105b | When developing an application locally on my Ubuntu machine, all times stored are output correct, but on my Debian servers (same code, same data) the times are off by one hour because of British Summer Time. Can someone point me in the right direction to where to make the settings changes that are different between Ubuntu and Debian? |
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| 09:14.50 | ksk | you want to change a timezone? use dpkg-reconfigure tz-data |
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| 09:16.52 | jelly | g105b: timezones do not affect actual timestamps, they are used just for cosmetic purposes, for output readable by humans |
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| 09:17.36 | jelly | g105b: fix your code to use unix timestamps or some format normalized to UTC |
| 09:17.37 | g105b | jelly: the data is identical between the Ubuntu workstation and Debian servers, although somehow the servers are outputting it wrong by 1 hour. |
| 09:18.06 | jelly | g105b: can you show example input and output in a pastebin? |
| 09:18.09 | g105b | jelly: the dates are stored in MySQL as DateTime fields, not Unix Timestamps (I use the Date Time functions in MySQL so can't use timestamps) |
| 09:18.31 | g105b | jelly: what would you like me to paste? |
| 09:18.39 | g105b | 10:00:00 / 09:00:00 |
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| 09:20.01 | jelly | g105b: set TZ=UTC, show output from select from the table using a mysql client for a couple records, and the same output on workstation and the server |
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| 09:20.51 | jelly | g105b: that line does not show whether you're using local timezone for output or something else. Try to show the timezone used. |
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| 09:22.28 | jelly | g105b: show the select... output from TZ=UTC mysql ... from both ubuntu workstation and the debian server if possible, please |
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| 09:25.37 | jelly | (running stuff with export TZ=UTC is the simplest way to avoid confusion caused by local time output created for different timezones) |
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| 09:31.40 | g105b | jelly: thanks for your advice - as these things usually go, I've discovered my problem while preparing the paste for you :) |
| 09:32.39 | jelly | g105b: that's what debugging is for! |
| 09:32.49 | g105b | I like rubber duck debugging :) |
| 09:33.57 | jelly | I... like rubber hose cryptanalysis? |
| 09:34.34 | g105b | hah.. what? |
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| 09:36.32 | jelly | so, for the audience, tell us what was wrong and how it wasn't Debian's fault! |
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| 09:38.09 | g105b | I hadn't set MySQL to override the system timezone on the live Debian server. I knew it wasn't Debian's fault - it only ever does exactly what you ask... but I needed help to think where to start prodding. |
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| 09:58.09 | lelu | Morning all |
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| 10:07.39 | g105b | Morning lelu |
| 10:07.40 | thoonai | morning |
| 10:08.28 | thoonai | I have trouble with my Matrox graphic cards |
| 10:09.16 | thoonai | the mga driver is installed, but the system won't recognize all outputs |
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| 10:12.33 | loaden | hi, guys! Why I missing the /etc/php5/php.ini after apache2 & php5 & php5-mysql installed? |
| 10:13.40 | loaden | sorry, it's /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini missed. |
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| 10:15.25 | g105b | loaden: do a search for where the php.ini is on your whole system. |
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| 10:16.54 | loaden | only one php.ini located in /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 10:17.20 | jelly | loaden: which debian release is this? |
| 10:17.58 | loaden | g105b: Wheezy |
| 10:18.11 | g105b | jelly: ^^ |
| 10:19.17 | jelly | loaden: ok, do you plan to run php5 as apache2 module, or use some other API? |
| 10:19.29 | jelly | loaden: if the former, is libapache2-mod-php5 package installed? |
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| 10:22.45 | thoonai | does anyone uses Matrox graphic cards? |
| 10:24.03 | jelly | thoonai: not this decade, sorry. You might try the generic #xorg channel perhaps |
| 10:24.19 | Harzilein | thoonai: old ones? like mga2? until recently i had an onboard matrox card (the design of the card cut&pasted verbatim on the board %-) in an intergraph dual ppro system :D |
| 10:24.32 | babilen | thoonai: do you? |
| 10:24.43 | Harzilein | thoonai: but had to be thrown away when i moved :( |
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| 10:25.11 | maxyz | thoonai: I used to use some old matrox cards, but mostly they use to work for me, after manually configuring XF86Config |
| 10:25.19 | babilen | Well, they are ancient and ISTR that they don't work very well/at all with "recent" Xorg versions |
| 10:25.27 | jelly | babilen: [10:07] <thoonai> hello, I'm having trouble with my Matrox G450 Millennium and P65 Millennium Cards. In either case just one card is detected though the default and latest mga module is installed [10:09] <thoonai> * The cards are detected, but the system won't recognize any more connected screens |
| 10:25.34 | Harzilein | babilen: that would be sad :( |
| 10:25.39 | Harzilein | oh, more recent ones |
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| 10:25.52 | babilen | jelly: Ah, thanks for the missing backlog :) |
| 10:25.56 | colo-work | is there a Debian 1.44M floppy image available anywhere that will boot into a d-i environment fetched from the internet? |
| 10:26.26 | jelly | colo-work: the businesscard image is the smallest afaik |
| 10:26.28 | babilen | colo-work: We don't do floppies anymore I'm afraid. You can get them for older releases though. |
| 10:26.32 | Harzilein | colo-work: can't you use a pxe boot disk instead? |
| 10:26.45 | maxyz | Mmh, there is a bootloader that can boot other media. |
| 10:26.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell colo-work -about floppy |
| 10:27.00 | Harzilein | dpkg: tell Harzilein -about floppy |
| 10:27.08 | jelly | dpkg: tell Harzilein about msg the bot |
| 10:27.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell Harzilein -about selftell |
| 10:27.13 | babilen | heh |
| 10:27.14 | jelly | :-D |
| 10:27.17 | Harzilein | :D |
| 10:27.28 | colo-work | Harzilein, I'm afraid not - we got a new server in a very remote location, and its IPMI does CIFS only, OR alternativley, can have a floppy image to boot from uploaded to it. |
| 10:27.30 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 10:27.30 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 10:27.48 | colo-work | there's no CIFS server available on site though... |
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| 10:28.34 | jelly | colo-work: can it do CIFS over a default route (ie. over the internets)? |
| 10:28.49 | colo-work | jelly, I'm evaluating that option right now. |
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| 10:33.20 | thoonai | jelly: ok I'll ask the guys at #xorg |
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| 10:34.07 | thoonai | babilen: yes I want to because I have two g450 and one p65 here |
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| 10:35.06 | jelly | suspects xorg people broke that code years ago and never fixed it back |
| 10:35.20 | thoonai | suspects that too |
| 10:35.26 | jelly | thoonai: did that hw setup work under lenny or squeeze? |
| 10:35.50 | thoonai | jelly: I didn't tried |
| 10:36.00 | thoonai | and I won't use Windows ^^ |
| 10:36.24 | thoonai | but I could try... |
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| 10:52.22 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 10:52.23 | dpkg | <Michiel1983> dpkg: I have problems with boot for the 2.6.9 kernel, I got a kernel panic:Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) On undernet they told me to: go to irc.freenode.net, join #debian and ask dpkg about bobbitt |
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| 11:10.58 | linu | hi all i got the following error while installing libudev-dev, http://pastebin.com/zsFQmZee can you please tell me what is that issues |
| 11:13.42 | \m | linu, update your gcc, i'm guessing |
| 11:14.04 | \m | 4.4 is a little old |
| 11:14.20 | \m | wait what |
| 11:14.41 | \m | 4.4.5-8 < 4.4.6.4 |
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| 11:16.17 | linu | \m obviously it shows the gcc issues how can i update gcc ? |
| 11:17.33 | \m | first off, apt-get update && apt-get -f install |
| 11:17.52 | themill | linu: Don't mix squeeze and wheezy |
| 11:19.32 | sobersabre | linu: you're obviously mixing repositories with different versions of gcc/libc6. this is not a healthy habbit... |
| 11:20.02 | sobersabre | it's either squeeze vs. wheezy or you're adding some ubuntu ppa's, which is also a messy idea. |
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| 11:20.33 | themill | (the particular versions involved look like a mixture of squeeze and wheezy) |
| 11:20.58 | sobersabre | yep. |
| 11:22.28 | sobersabre | (due to ppa hell, I don't doubt there exist a few ppa's with that version of gcc as well) |
| 11:22.50 | babilen | linu: If you want newer versions of what you find in squeeze you might want to continue upgrading the entire system to wheezy. Please follow the instructions in the <release notes> and take a look at <squeeze->wheezy> (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
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| 11:27.37 | ksdncv | hello, what would you recommend nowdays for replacing an old raid5, md+ext4 or zfs (or something else) ? |
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| 11:33.31 | m4k | Anybody please give me list of single binary packages |
| 11:34.02 | mumpitze1 | m4k: if you can explain what a single binary package is |
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| 11:35.43 | linu | babilen where can i find release notes for <squeeze->wheezy> |
| 11:35.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell linu -about release notes |
| 11:36.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell linu about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:36.31 | babilen | (it's mentioned in <squeeze->wheezy>) |
| 11:36.36 | m4k | mumpitze: I'm intreted to maintain a package, but I'm newbie in packaging.So read this page www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#workflow here say single bin. Packs |
| 11:37.05 | linu | babilen so i can get dpkg --help |
| 11:37.14 | babilen | What? |
| 11:38.07 | linu | babilen i mean i can read the release notes by using dpkg right? |
| 11:38.35 | babilen | linu: I don't quite follow; dpkg is a bot in this IRC channel and it should have sent you a number of messages. They were private messages that might have opened in a different tab or window in your IRC client. |
| 11:38.59 | babilen | linu: And no, you cannot read the release notes with dpkg (the program) on your Debian system. |
| 11:39.03 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:39.06 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 11:39.28 | babilen | linu: That is what I am referring to ^^^ (you can /msg the bot yourself with, say, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures) |
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| 11:40.24 | wchance | hello |
| 11:40.45 | wchance | I cant find libmyodbc drivers to setup odbcinst.ini correcly |
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| 11:41.03 | wchance | shoud be in /user/lib/odbc but directory is empty |
| 11:41.05 | wchance | any clues? |
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| 11:41.39 | kelpie | hi, how can i get ath9k_htc kernel module in squeeze? |
| 11:42.26 | m4k | mumpitze1, any idea?? |
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| 11:44.39 | linu | babilen i am fresher to linux,so got little confusion,now got it,thanks ur effort |
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| 11:45.11 | themill | m4k: there are thousands -- you could look in the Sources file (e.g. /var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources) to see all the entries that only list one package in the "Binary" field. |
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| 11:46.09 | SpeedyG | hm, just a quick check although not really debian related (the box will eventually run deb if it works though).... will an old Pentium 4 run if the PSU has no P4 connector for the mainboard? |
| 11:46.52 | SpeedyG | (P4 con being the small 4-pin connector) |
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| 11:49.29 | m4k | themmil, is this best for beginner to starts |
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| 11:51.59 | ksk | SpeedyG: probably not. |
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| 11:52.44 | cusco | hello folks |
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| 12:01.00 | m4k | themmil, connection problem |
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| 12:38.48 | b3hnam | Is any command to find out when current Debian is installed ? |
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| 12:41.34 | ksk | b3hnam: what do you mean? |
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| 12:45.58 | babilen | linu: Oh, in that case I am surprised that you installed squeeze in the first place (and not the current stable release wheezy) |
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| 12:47.33 | b3hnam | ksk: I want now when Debian is installed on my machine |
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| 12:49.47 | abrotman | /clear |
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| 12:50.32 | Iridos | I have a DVD mounted and I have the iso-image of the dvd mounted with fuseiso... on the regular mount I have long file/directory names, on the fuseiso they are shortened to 8 characters ... the dvd mount is of type udf ... is there something basically lacking in fuseiso? |
| 12:50.34 | abrotman | b3hnam: look at your sources.list or your /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:51.53 | b3hnam | abrotman: How can I find the date of installation ? |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | b3hnam: look in /var/log/ for theintstaller log, check the date |
| 12:53.05 | abrotman | if it's still there |
| 12:53.28 | abrotman | b3hnam: you could possibly look at the date of some of the files in teh first created user |
| 12:53.56 | b3hnam | abrotman: Is any command to check date of file creation ? |
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| 12:55.50 | ksk | b3hnam: take a look at /var/log/installer/syslog |
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| 12:56.22 | Iridos | b3hnam, there is only stat ... and it shows what is stored in the inode |
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| 12:59.12 | kulk | o/ |
| 12:59.28 | b3hnam | abrotman: I check date of /etc/debian_version and the result is 11 May 5 14:30 /etc/debian_version, It means my Debian ist installed on 2005 ?? |
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| 13:00.10 | ksk | b3hnam: did you read what i told you? |
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| 13:03.14 | b3hnam | ksk: Yes I checked contacy of /var/log/sys but date types are like this : "Apr 19 16:02:05 finish-install:" and there is no information about year |
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| 13:03.53 | ksk | so there will probably no way for you to find out. |
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| 13:04.21 | ksk | besides doing an ls in /var/log/installer |
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| 13:04.44 | ksk | stat that syslogfile, see when it was created |
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| 13:08.59 | Iridos | b3hnam, more like... stat /var/log/installer/syslog and check for sanity with the content |
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| 13:32.58 | Kunda | ,version postfix |
| 13:32.59 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.1-2; sid: 2.10.2-1; experimental: 2.11-20130825-1 |
| 13:33.25 | Kunda | lets say, I was interested in installing an (experimental) package.how would I go about doing that on Wheezy ? |
| 13:33.35 | Kunda | i know it's not recommended |
| 13:33.53 | Kunda | how for example, would I see what dependencies that package needed ? |
| 13:35.23 | ksdncv | Kunda you can add unstable to your sources.list, apt-get update, install the package, remove from sources.list and apt-get update again. But that is not something well handled by the package manager, you will probably need to pray that nothing breaks too |
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| 13:36.23 | Kunda | ksdncv, is there a less 'invasive' way ? |
| 13:36.37 | ksdncv | not that know of, the problem is dependencies |
| 13:36.38 | Kunda | is it not listed inside the package itself ? |
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| 13:36.54 | ksdncv | dependencies are listed in the package |
| 13:37.00 | Kunda | (the dependencies) |
| 13:37.14 | Kunda | so theoretically i could dissect the package to find them ? |
| 13:37.19 | ksdncv | but sometimes it claims to depend on something that isnt actually needed at that new version |
| 13:37.38 | Kunda | right |
| 13:37.56 | ksdncv | so you could force install the package if you know that you dont need to upgrade something to testing, but then apt-get/aptitude will keep complaining on the unmet dependencies everytime, so its really not recomendable to do |
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| 13:38.23 | themill | yeah, don't do that. Dependencies aren't added just for the fun of it. |
| 13:38.25 | ksdncv | best way to avoid trouble is either build yourself a package from source, or install in /usr/local out of package manager |
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| 13:39.43 | Kunda | oh..interesting |
| 13:39.43 | ksdncv | so its compile from source, or live with a frankendebian (mixed packages) if you know how to solve the trouble that might cause (which btw sometimes really causes quite the trouble) |
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| 13:41.11 | Kunda | why is compiling from source more 'self-contained' ? |
| 13:41.41 | themill | Kunda: you can certainly rebuild that postfix package under wheezy. Whether it works nicely with anything else in wheezy I can't say. I'd also be nervous about why the package isn't even in sid yet (that's normally a bad sign) and I really wouldn't want the overhead of managing security support for a network facing daemon |
| 13:41.42 | Kunda | is what I'm interpreting |
| 13:41.58 | themill | Kunda: what specifically about postfix 2.11 do you want, btw? |
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| 13:42.23 | Kunda | 2.11 has a killer new feature for postscreen: whitelisting out the after-220 tests with DNS whitelists |
| 13:42.27 | ksdncv | Kunda if you compile with the currently installed packages, youre making the program either depend on the current version, or fail if the current version isnt really compatible, but all the dependency handling is now done by you, not the package manager |
| 13:42.45 | Kunda | With 2.11 I have my cake (postscreen after-220 tests) and eat it too (few greylisting delays for legit mail.) |
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| 13:48.26 | Kunda | themill ^ |
| 13:48.32 | Kunda | ksdncv, yes, i see |
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| 14:04.39 | \m | what was that |
| 14:05.11 | gb | yes |
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| 14:11.28 | Asara | hey guys |
| 14:11.36 | NeilHanlon | Hola |
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| 14:11.43 | Asara | just curious what is a good/lightweight wiki i can throw onto an apache server? |
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| 14:12.09 | troulouliou_dev | hi is there a place to ask question for debian multimedia repo ? |
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| 14:12.25 | NeilHanlon | Honestly I have no idea. The only wiki I know of is mediawiki.. and I don't think it's lightweight. |
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| 14:12.48 | themill | troulouliou_dev: as a general rule, we don't support the crap from deb-multimedia.org |
| 14:13.17 | troulouliou_dev | themill, :) even a redirect ? |
| 14:13.25 | themill | (the usual way of solving problems with multimedia packages is to remove all the packages from that repo) |
| 14:14.13 | troulouliou_dev | themill, ijust need one deb without dependencies but there is no source for it while it is in main |
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| 14:15.00 | themill | sadly, that sounds like the normal level of attention to detail there. What package? |
| 14:15.37 | jhutchins | themill: The "crap" from deb-multimedia is a major reason Debian is as successful as it is. |
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| 14:16.32 | troulouliou_dev | themill, http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/b/bdvmdbg/bdvmdbg_0.1.5-0.1_all.deb |
| 14:16.33 | themill | jhutchins: no, the crap from deb-multimedia hampers the current state of multimedia in debian |
| 14:16.36 | jhutchins | troulouliou_dev: The source for deb-multimedia packages is the same as the source for the mainstream debian packages. |
| 14:16.58 | troulouliou_dev | jhutchins, this one is nowhere in the mainstream |
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| 14:17.09 | themill | jhutchins: you are quite wrong there |
| 14:17.51 | jhutchins | troulouliou_dev: Ok, so it's an external package, but you can get the source from the same "upstream" feed, check sourceforge.net for the project. (We could help more if you told us what package.) |
| 14:17.52 | troulouliou_dev | themill, guess he was speaking about the source path in the repo |
| 14:18.08 | troulouliou_dev | jhutchins, http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/b/bdvmdbg/bdvmdbg_0.1.5-0.1_all.deb |
| 14:18.10 | troulouliou_dev | this one |
| 14:18.23 | themill | troulouliou_dev: the source package is there in the right place -- you'll notice that your URL for deb-multimedia is quite wrong |
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| 14:19.15 | troulouliou_dev | themill, yeah sorry copy/paste they rename the domain due to a debian complain iirc |
| 14:19.24 | troulouliou_dev | themill, where did you find it ? |
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| 14:19.57 | NeilHanlon | troulouliou_dev: http://deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/b/bdvmdbg/ |
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| 14:20.23 | themill | troulouliou_dev: debian had tried for a number of years to get the maintainer to work with debian but he chose not to -- at the point where the packages were being actively harmful to debian, the debian name should not be associated withthem |
| 14:20.52 | troulouliou_dev | NeilHanlon, thanks |
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| 14:21.51 | troulouliou_dev | NeilHanlon, themill but thats the issue i found yesterday : http://deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/b/bdvmdbg/bdvmdbg_0.1.5.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:21.59 | troulouliou_dev | it contains only a jat file |
| 14:22.01 | troulouliou_dev | jar file |
| 14:22.05 | troulouliou_dev | not the java sources |
| 14:22.35 | themill | write once, decompile anywhere |
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| 14:22.53 | NeilHanlon | Is there a way to "like" an IRC message? haha |
| 14:23.26 | NeilHanlon | troulouliou_dev: A .jar is a java archive--it contains the java files.. (both source and compiled)... And you can generally decompile .class files. |
| 14:23.42 | troulouliou_dev | NeilHanlon, ha ok didn't know that |
| 14:23.46 | themill | NeilHanlon: in this case, it only contains the class files |
| 14:24.04 | NeilHanlon | themill: I just saw that. :P |
| 14:24.12 | themill | troulouliou_dev: I'd be asking the dmm maintainer what licence he's distributing that package under and where the source code is |
| 14:25.08 | troulouliou_dev | NeilHanlon, themill but in debian normal repo , java sources tgz contains the java source in folders not packed in jar iirc ? |
| 14:26.01 | themill | Normally it would be a tarball with .java files, yes. |
| 14:26.28 | themill | troulouliou_dev: the dmm maintainer claims the package is GPLv3. I'd most certainly be asking him for the correct source code. |
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| 14:26.40 | themill | "preferred form of modification" etc. |
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| 14:27.10 | troulouliou_dev | themill, ok thanks that jar part confused me |
| 14:27.38 | themill | there are other sourceless things in that download beyond the jar too |
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| 14:27.47 | bezoka | hiho |
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| 14:34.33 | Jaleks | Hi |
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| 14:39.26 | JyZyXEL | which one do i have to copy when i move users from a system to another? |
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| 14:44.26 | JyZyXEL | damnit there is even group and group- |
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| 14:50.50 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Probably better figure out how those files get created/updated before you try moving them. You can't just copy them to a new system. |
| 14:51.04 | jhutchins | !sag |
| 14:51.04 | dpkg | from memory, sag is The Linux System Administrator's Guide see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/, or say, in german. |
| 14:51.22 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I think that has some information, as well as the manpages for passwd and shadow. |
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| 15:27.16 | no_gravity | Good Evening! What is an easy way to enable ssl on a standard debian server with apache? I dont need a certificate. I just want access the server encrypted. |
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| 15:34.23 | cusco | no_gravity: apache brings a configuration comented using som snake-oil certificate |
| 15:34.26 | cusco | lol |
| 15:34.27 | cusco | you can just enable it |
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| 15:34.48 | cusco | like in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl |
| 15:35.56 | no_gravity | cusco: really? that sounds too easy :) |
| 15:36.27 | cusco | something like SSLCertificateFile /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem |
| 15:36.29 | cusco | lol |
| 15:36.47 | cusco | but you can generate your own with openssl |
| 15:37.16 | no_gravity | hmm... |
| 15:37.59 | no_gravity | there are comments about /etc/ssl/certs/... but i dont have that directory on my machine. |
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| 15:50.17 | skorgu | anyone know how to tell d-i to continue after apt-setup/service-failed ("The repository on blah couldn't be accessed...")? |
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| 15:55.06 | jordanm | skorgu: there should be a way to get into the advanced menu, which allows you select a step |
| 15:55.10 | jordanm | I don't recall how though |
| 15:55.30 | jordanm | it should continue from that step anyways |
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| 15:56.07 | icjs | skorgu, so there is no "continue"/"back" options presented? is this in the text installer? |
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| 16:05.01 | skorgu | I can hit Continue |
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| 16:05.08 | skorgu | but I'd like to bypass this in the preseed, hands-off |
| 16:06.01 | skorgu | the underlying error is that the Release file is expired which is expected |
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| 16:06.43 | miss0r | I am having issues installing debian on my HP integrity rx2620 an ia64. I have read about the bug not allowing for the elilo isntaller to mount the vfat partition of the EFI boot loader. But I can't seem to figure how to fix it? help please someone. |
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| 16:07.17 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:08.18 | mcgreg | how can I detect if a device is connected with usb3.0 speed to my computer? my mainboard has usb3.0, I use a external hdd with usb3 support and I use the usb3 ports. |
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| 16:09.27 | mumpitze1 | mcgreg: dd to or from the device. if the speed is higher than 35MB/s, it's using USB 3.0 |
| 16:09.48 | mumpitze1 | read with dd from the device: cache doesn't matter then |
| 16:09.57 | jordanm | mcgreg: check dmesg after plugging it in |
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| 16:10.21 | mcgreg | [13877.635605] usb 7-2: new SuperSpeed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd <--? |
| 16:10.55 | mumpitze1 | it uses usb 3.0 (superspeed) |
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| 16:11.05 | miss0r | Can someone please tell me how to get past the error 1 when trying to install elilo with my newly downloaded debian installer for ia64? |
| 16:12.00 | mumpitze1 | !ia64 |
| 16:12.01 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. See also <qotd279>. |
| 16:12.04 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: and still all I copy is max ~35MB/S - can you please give me a example with dd? I dont want to f*ck around with this command |
| 16:12.09 | jordanm | there exists a system with EFI and ia64? |
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| 16:12.58 | mumpitze1 | dd bs=1M if=/dev/sdd of=/dev/null this will read from disk /dev/sdd and write to /dev/null |
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| 16:13.16 | mumpitze1 | all ia64 is EFI. EFI was made for ia64. |
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| 16:13.40 | padhu | please suggest me the alternative to Garmin mapsource/base camp software |
| 16:14.07 | mumpitze1 | padhu: there is no navigation software in debian |
| 16:14.07 | babilen | padhu: "apt-cache search garmin" |
| 16:14.18 | themill | padhu: qlandkarte, viking, tango, gpsman -- there are many things that work pretty well |
| 16:14.25 | mumpitze1 | oops |
| 16:14.34 | miss0r | all this it good and well. but the new installer here failes to mount the vfat partition rendering elilo helpless |
| 16:14.41 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: 5788139520 bytes (5.8 GB) copied, 54.133 s, 107 MB/s |
| 16:14.58 | mumpitze1 | mcgreg: now you have your answer |
| 16:14.58 | themill | miss0r: are you actually a real live ia64 user? |
| 16:15.15 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: thank you |
| 16:15.18 | miss0r | nods |
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| 16:15.44 | mumpitze1 | themill: he found the system at the curb where it was left for the garbageman :P |
| 16:15.46 | themill | wow... there's a first for everything... |
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| 16:16.08 | miss0r | indeed. right now I am not a user. I am a hater. |
| 16:16.14 | themill | heh |
| 16:16.14 | miss0r | How do I get elilo installed? :S |
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| 16:16.44 | mumpitze1 | miss0r: ia64 is a bit specialized hardware. I suggest you ask at debian-ia64-request@lists.debian.org more people who know the hardware |
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| 16:17.23 | miss0r | mumpitze1: If I told you, that I told someone I would have it running within the hour, what would you say? :) |
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| 16:17.48 | mumpitze1 | I would say you will lose your bet ;) |
| 16:17.58 | miss0r | .... or any future paychecks ;) |
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| 16:18.15 | miss0r | .... sweet |
| 16:18.17 | mumpitze1 | ok, worse than a bet. on the plus side: no ia64 systems at work |
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| 16:20.36 | miss0r | apparently it was mounted because the installer is an idiot. and the elilo installer was unable to mount it again ofc... |
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| 16:21.18 | mumpitze1 | good luck with your paycheck then |
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| 16:27.10 | ExeciN | After installing Nvidia's drivers, every system font seems bigger. The dpi setting is correct (according to my monitor). How should I fix this? |
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| 16:29.38 | sioux_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.00 | mumpitze1 | sioux_: how would we know why you have a faulty dhcp server or assigned faulty IPs? |
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| 16:35.23 | sioux_ | mumpitze1 I'm talking about why the conflict are in different eth |
| 16:35.47 | sioux_ | mumpitze1 but if you think that .. okay |
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| 16:40.35 | driftah | http://halleon.de/news.php?id=31908 |
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| 16:40.48 | driftah | NPD-Truck per Sitzblockade gestoppt |
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| 16:41.24 | driftah | menschen wurden wieder getreten von der polizei, geschleift, fast von autos ueberfahren |
| 16:41.45 | mumpitze1 | sioux_: the question is, how do these "eth" get the IP in the first place? |
| 16:41.46 | driftah | einer hat massig cs gas in die fresse bekommen |
| 16:41.58 | mumpitze1 | driftah: wrong channel, wrong language |
| 16:42.31 | driftah | oha |
| 16:42.36 | driftah | muhahah im sorry |
| 16:43.50 | lns | How do I get scrollbar up/down buttons back in Jesse / Gnome3/GTK+? I really don't like that they were removed in the default theme and I can't figure out how to restore them. |
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| 16:52.40 | ksk | hey guys. is there a way to use proftpds mod_facts in debian? I cannot manage to find it in any package |
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| 16:54.38 | gb | interesting and here i thought people used debian because they wanted something usable and not because of a repo i never use |
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| 17:03.22 | JordiGH | What Gnome GUI is there for managing keys in wheezy? |
| 17:03.26 | JordiGH | GPG keys. |
| 17:05.12 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: Look at Seahorse and GPA maybe - probably both written in C/C++! (I'm guessing there.) |
| 17:05.46 | ChibaPet | https://projects.gnome.org/seahorse/ and http://www.gnupg.org/related_software/gpa/index.en.html |
| 17:06.44 | JordiGH | ChibaPet: I don't care if it's written in brainfuck as long as it works. |
| 17:07.08 | JordiGH | Actually, I wonder if there's anything significant in the Debian repos written in brainfuck... |
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| 17:07.45 | ChibaPet | I don't remember implementation language being a searchable criteria, but I could be wrong. |
| 17:08.44 | JordiGH | Probably aptitude can do it. A lot of packages have implemented-in:: tags |
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| 17:09.04 | ChibaPet | Hm, I didn't know that. Interesting, potentially useful. |
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| 17:10.44 | JordiGH | Oh, debtags can do it. |
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| 17:12.45 | JordiGH | jordi@Iris:~$ debtags grep implemented-in::brainfuck | wc -l |
| 17:12.46 | JordiGH | 0 |
| 17:12.49 | JordiGH | ... :-( |
| 17:12.57 | ChibaPet | :( |
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| 17:14.20 | lns | In Debian (both Wheezy and now Jesse), I've had this problem with Gnome3+Icedove+Enigmail for about a year. Hopefully someone can point me in the righ direction, I've spent many full days trying to fix the issue. It is apparently a Gnome3 / passphrase dialogue issue because if I log in with XFCE I don't get the crashes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHE--y0Sq-8 |
| 17:15.07 | JordiGH | ChibaPet: There's also the issue that packagers are lazy about this particular tag. |
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| 17:15.20 | JordiGH | e.g. I know this is false: |
| 17:15.21 | JordiGH | jordi@Iris:~$ debtags grep implemented-in::haxe | wc -l |
| 17:15.21 | JordiGH | 0 |
| 17:15.35 | JordiGH | Because mercurial-buildpackage is written in, of all things, haxe. |
| 17:15.38 | ChibaPet | But there are definitely packages implemented in haxe? |
| 17:15.40 | ChibaPet | Ah. |
| 17:15.52 | ChibaPet | That's bizarre. |
| 17:15.56 | JordiGH | Very bizarre. |
| 17:16.01 | JordiGH | It should be in Python! |
| 17:16.02 | ChibaPet | That it's written in haxe, not that it doesn't specify. |
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| 17:17.02 | jhutchins | That's the fun thing about standards, there are so many to choose from. |
| 17:17.29 | wiretapped | my pavucontrol says "Connection to PulseAudio failed" and pulseaudio -k says "Failed to kill daemon: No such process" |
| 17:17.42 | wiretapped | pulseaudio is running and audio works, but i want to switch to a usb audio device |
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| 17:18.14 | wiretapped | any suggestions? (i'm on an up to date wheezy system) |
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| 17:18.36 | ksk | hey guys, if i wanted the sources of lets say proftpd, do i add "deb-src $foo" and install proftpd-dev to get it? |
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| 17:18.55 | ksk | (the debian source, with all the stuff debian used to build it) |
| 17:18.57 | ChibaPet | apt-get source proftpd |
| 17:19.06 | JordiGH | ChibaPet: If apt-cache rdepends neko is any indication, mercurial-buildpackage is the only Debian package implemented in haxe. |
| 17:19.14 | ChibaPet | and apt-get build-dep proftpd |
| 17:19.43 | ChibaPet | My "funny languages" phase died a year or two ago. |
| 17:19.51 | ksk | ChibaPet: thanks |
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| 17:19.54 | ChibaPet | It had been in decline. |
| 17:19.54 | wiretapped | is debian's pulseaudio config nonstandard somehow? normal pulseaudio commands all seem to fail |
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| 17:20.38 | ChibaPet | wiretapped: If this helps - I get "per-user" warning messages on boot, and 'pulseaudio -k' works as my regular user. |
| 17:20.53 | JordiGH | I'm not going through a funny languages phase (unless you count Haskell or lisp, but at least those are "real" languages). I am just bemoaning that mercurial-buildpackage is written in haxe, because I would like it to work so that hg were easier to use for Debian packaging. |
| 17:21.21 | ChibaPet | wiretapped: So, you're seeing that message from it indicates 'something different', but I'm not a PulseAudio expert, so I'm not quite sure why I'm per-user. I'd assume that's the default. Maybe yours is not per-user? |
| 17:21.34 | wiretapped | hmm this is probably related to my using dwm with a custom session |
| 17:21.45 | wiretapped | the init script does say it is per-user |
| 17:21.48 | wiretapped | and it is running as my user |
| 17:22.01 | wiretapped | i don't know what started pulseaudio though |
| 17:22.11 | ChibaPet | (Anything that's not C, C++, Lisp, Haskell, or Erlang is funny, so you're safe.) |
| 17:22.18 | wiretapped | my custom session script doesn't |
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| 17:23.12 | ChibaPet | wiretapped: This verges on useless speculation, so freely ignore it, but it would make sense to me that alsa compat libraries start the daemon on demand. |
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| 17:23.52 | ChibaPet | wiretapped: Testable. Log in, start nothing that uses audio, see if it's there. Then run something that uses audio, check again. |
| 17:24.04 | wiretapped | hmm if i kill it it restarts |
| 17:24.13 | JordiGH | Is it possible to have some sort of encrypted file on any filesytem that can be mounted with luks and works as e.g. an ext4 fs when mounted? |
| 17:24.23 | wiretapped | also /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper |
| 17:24.26 | JordiGH | A resizable file? |
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| 17:24.49 | JordiGH | I want to do some backups on a drive that has other files, and I'd like to easily encrypt my backup without reformatting the external drive. |
| 17:24.50 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: I don't know about resizeable, but I'd imagine you could have a loopback mount of that sort. |
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| 17:24.53 | gb | sounds like you want a loop filesystem |
| 17:25.01 | wiretapped | i used to feel like i understood desktop linux software, but not anymore :( |
| 17:25.03 | JordiGH | gb: Would a loop filesystem be resizable? |
| 17:25.39 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: Simpler - perhaps consider encrypting your back-ups in-stream and not worrying about having it look like a live filesystem. |
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| 17:25.59 | gb | in theory you could create a new loopfs and cp the old into it so in a crude way yes :) |
| 17:26.10 | JordiGH | ChibaPet: Ideally, the filenames and dir structure would also be encrypted. |
| 17:26.16 | JordiGH | gb: So resize upon demand, eh? |
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| 17:26.41 | JordiGH | I suppose the file size would give some information away, so you would ideally like a largeish loopback file where you can't tell how many files there are in it. |
| 17:26.42 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: Yeah, this would come for free. I use ext4/dump, so I can encrypt that and fire it off to wherever I want. |
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| 17:27.26 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: If you need to vary the size of your back-ups, you've probably lost. But include random hunks of data in a directory created for the purpose. Bulk it up. |
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| 17:29.05 | mumpitze1 | JordiGH: a rubberhose file system is what you'd want, no? |
| 17:29.14 | JordiGH | mumpitze1: The one that Assange wrote? |
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| 17:30.14 | mumpitze1 | yes. but I think it's deprecated. truecrypt hidden volume then. |
| 17:30.18 | wiretapped | w00t i figured it out! |
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| 17:30.35 | JordiGH | mumpitze1: No truecrypt in Debian, and I agree with Debian. truecrypt's license is annoying. |
| 17:30.47 | mumpitze1 | agreed |
| 17:30.50 | ChibaPet | wiretapped: What was it? |
| 17:31.30 | wiretapped | set autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf and did killall pulseaudio. it did not respawn. |
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| 17:31.50 | wiretapped | then ran start-pulseaudio-x11 and now pavucontrol works and let me switch to usb output :) |
| 17:31.56 | ChibaPet | Cool! |
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| 17:52.39 | intore | good evening guys. i'm using a raspberry pi with raspbian connected by ethernet cable with an external hd to download using transmission. Yesterday everything was ok, i managed the raspberry with ssh and transgui for transmission but this morning wasn't possible to connect by ssh: no route to host and the ping command sometimes ran and sometimes didn't ran. On the television (the monitor for my raspberry) continue to appear lines like buffer i/o |
| 17:52.39 | intore | error on device sdb1 that's my external hd and i can't stop it. do you have any idea about? am sorry for the long message! |
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| 17:54.47 | Marvin-RPi | seems your external HDD is failing |
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| 17:55.35 | Marvin-RPi | but I suggest you take this question to the #raspbian or #raspberrypi channel instead |
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| 17:56.04 | intore | Marvin-RPi, ok thank you, i didn't think it! |
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| 17:58.48 | peterrooney | intore: please, /msg dpkg raspbian |
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| 18:06.33 | riceAndBeans_ | i try to network install and i'm missing firmware "rtlwifi/trl8192cfw.bin" can I still do network install, how do I get it? |
| 18:07.21 | jhutchins | !firmware installer |
| 18:07.22 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 18:10.11 | riceAndBeans_ | jhutchins: i tried that with a broadcom wirelessNIC and it was still missing the firmware. Do I just use the firmwareNetInstaller and it will automatically detect the firmware, or do I have to point to it on the usb drive? after install? i'm a little confused |
| 18:10.14 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: assuming you have contrib and non-free in your sources apt-cache search 8192 may be your friend |
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| 18:11.22 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: but how am I going to net install without wifi firmware? i have no cat 5 cable? Do i have to do the full installer? |
| 18:11.28 | riceAndBeans_ | jhutchins: ^ |
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| 18:13.15 | NeilHanlon | By debian sticker's in my mailbox! Wooh! |
| 18:13.19 | NeilHanlon | My* |
| 18:13.31 | jhutchins | riceAndBeans_: Read the reference above, it tells you how to proceed. |
| 18:14.03 | JordiGH | NeilHanlon: Where did you order it from? |
| 18:14.05 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: it would be faster to get a bit of wire |
| 18:14.11 | NeilHanlon | Uh... hackerstickers, I believe. |
| 18:14.15 | NeilHanlon | It was the first place I found it. |
| 18:14.25 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: what jhutchins said |
| 18:14.26 | riceAndBeans_ | jhutchins: i'm a noob, i'm not really understaing and pressed for time a little |
| 18:14.34 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: ^ |
| 18:14.40 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: get wire now |
| 18:15.09 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: i'm in the middle of no where, gatway isn't even on this property |
| 18:15.10 | ompaul | particularly if you are new to this kind of thing - it means you can fail somewhat gracefully and start again |
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| 18:15.37 | riceAndBeans_ | should I just do full install and then add the firmware via removable media? |
| 18:15.50 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: it would be a good way to go |
| 18:15.59 | ompaul | follow the links |
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| 18:16.30 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: jhutchins is it easy to add firmware via removable media? just as easy as apt-get install firmware? |
| 18:16.33 | riceAndBeans_ | ive never done it |
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| 18:17.23 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: no it's not apt-get read the links that is where you find the data you want you save the web page read / study and hope the neighbour doesn't work out you are robbing his bandwidth as you suck down install cds |
| 18:17.52 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: no he knows, this is voluntary business |
| 18:18.27 | riceAndBeans_ | what are udebs? |
| 18:19.50 | ompaul | somiething you should stay away from |
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| 18:20.05 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: have you not saved the web page and read it |
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| 18:20.22 | ompaul | ... you still ducking and diving around rather than doing it right? |
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| 18:21.27 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: i'm reading it |
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| 18:25.54 | pipegeek | crap. |
| 18:26.03 | pipegeek | stupid keyboard |
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| 18:27.02 | denis21 | Help please http://paste.ubuntu.com/6120452/ what could be wrong? |
| 18:27.08 | r15 | hello, i had windows7+debian EFI based dual boot. recently i removed windows and installed freebsd, leaving behind debian. |
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| 18:28.49 | Brigo | denis21: this was about your phone? |
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| 18:29.09 | r15 | overall, efi boot partition is gnone. is there a way to install non efi based grub? BIOS supporting both. when i reboot i get freebsd boot loader. |
| 18:29.55 | r15 | grub-install /dev/sda reports no error. |
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| 18:30.18 | denis21 | Brigo, yes |
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| 18:31.03 | Brigo | denis21: may be your phone is not supported by gonkii |
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| 18:32.01 | Brigo | r15: but? |
| 18:33.22 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: jhutchins is example 1 here downloading the firmware and putting it in the installer? could you enlighten me on the process a little, i'm on a win machine now, does it have to be done a linux machine? |
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| 18:34.25 | r15 | Brigo:but not getting grub boot loader at boot time. |
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| 18:35.09 | Brigo | r15: may be something wrong, try install grub from a rescue disk or from freebsd ... |
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| 18:39.57 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: I really have not used windows to create linux media in over 15 years so I have no idea how it does things - I would do this |
| 18:40.02 | ompaul | !kmuto |
| 18:40.02 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 18:40.23 | mumpitze1 | ompaul: win32diskimager |
| 18:40.25 | ompaul | ahh always with the good alternatives :) |
| 18:40.37 | ompaul | mumpitze1: I'm not going to remember that :) honestly |
| 18:40.45 | ompaul | I have about 100 linux desktops |
| 18:40.52 | mumpitze1 | and I was too late, he's gone |
| 18:41.30 | ompaul | I was going to say install kmuto's image and d-u |
| 18:41.36 | ompaul | at least you;d have a linux install |
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| 18:46.10 | new[] | i'm getting cannot find -lGL from ld even though i have libGL.so ? |
| 18:46.55 | mumpitze1 | new[]: what's the actual command and error? |
| 18:47.10 | new[] | i'm using make to compile my project |
| 18:47.34 | mumpitze1 | and make gives you lots and lots of pretty output |
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| 18:47.39 | new[] | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 18:47.51 | jelly-home | new[]: show the actual command that make runs and the full output. Is libgl1-mesa-dev installed? |
| 18:47.57 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 18:47.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:48.17 | new[] | yes mesa dev is installed |
| 18:48.32 | new[] | the command that make runs doesn't matter. it can't find -lGL :x |
| 18:48.56 | jelly-home | decides this question doesn't matter to him |
| 18:48.56 | riceAndBeans_ | i'm trying to inject wireless firmware into the installer using example 1 https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware, can I do it from a windows machine? |
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| 18:50.07 | blubberdiblub | ompaul, mumpitze1, he's back |
| 18:50.08 | mumpitze1 | riceAndBeans_: no. you can copy it to the usb medium you use for installing tho. or put it on a fat/ntfs partition when you install a dualboot system. the best way would be to download a 250MB firmware install image and be done with it |
| 18:50.26 | ompaul | blubberdiblub: TMI |
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| 18:51.59 | DammitJim | is there a recommended application to monitor the hard drive free space? |
| 18:52.11 | mumpitze1 | df? |
| 18:52.21 | riceAndBeans_ | mumpitze1: i tried the firmware netinstall that was missing broadcom firmware and it didn't work. no i'm trying for "rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" might it work with this one? could you link me to the 7.1 amd64 firmware netinstall? |
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| 18:52.44 | mumpitze1 | riceAndBeans_: the realtek firmware is on the firmware netinst image |
| 18:52.45 | DammitJim | mumpitze1, an out of the box application that monitors it |
| 18:53.01 | ompaul | riceAndBeans_: it doesn;t exist |
| 18:53.02 | riceAndBeans_ | mumpitze1: could you link me to it? |
| 18:53.04 | ompaul | you can upgrade |
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| 18:53.20 | nvteighen | DammitJim: Gnome's disk utility? |
| 18:53.34 | mumpitze1 | !tell riceAndBeans_ about firmware images |
| 18:53.51 | mumpitze1 | ompaul: of course it exists |
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| 18:53.56 | riceAndBeans_ | ompaul: mumpitze1 will the firmware netinstall detect ""rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" or not? i'm confused? i will try, however |
| 18:54.04 | mumpitze1 | riceAndBeans_: it will |
| 18:54.11 | riceAndBeans_ | mumpitze1: ompaul can you link me to the correct firmware netinstall image? |
| 18:54.26 | mumpitze1 | riceAndBeans_: dpkg just messaged you with it |
| 18:54.41 | DammitJim | when I say monitor, I mean, it sends an email or writes to syslog when there is 20% disk space left or something along those lines |
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| 19:00.38 | Kunda | DammitJim: epic nick |
| 19:00.43 | DammitJim | ty |
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| 19:00.58 | DammitJim | I was dissappointed that they the doc didn't say Dammit Jim in the last movie |
| 19:01.06 | mumpitze1 | DammitJim: maybe quotas could do it? |
| 19:01.07 | DammitJim | he just said Dammit captain |
| 19:01.23 | Kunda | prequels suck |
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| 19:02.06 | Kunda | well star trek prequeslt…but that's offtopic |
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| 19:02.50 | mumpitze1 | DammitJim: https://www.google.com/search?q=mail+low+disk+space+notification in the end it's a shellscript cronjob usually |
| 19:03.01 | DammitJim | ohok |
| 19:03.21 | DammitJim | I can do that... just wondering if there was something already in place for it |
| 19:03.22 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 19:05.34 | alexbariv | hi everybody! someone here has work with bridging two interfaces with brctl ¿? |
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| 19:17.16 | quinso | I am pretty sure I never chose to install not free as in freedom mp3 codecs in my debian. How does my computer play mp3 files? |
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| 19:19.14 | ompaul | it needs codecs check out lame iirc |
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| 19:20.59 | mtn | quinso: my install plays mp3 files by default, too |
| 19:21.30 | JordiGH | quinso: mp3 patents are expired, I think? |
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| 19:22.27 | mtn | quinso: looks like gstreamer has the codecs |
| 19:22.40 | mtn | quinso: https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
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| 19:23.56 | gedO | Hello |
| 19:24.04 | gedO | can someoune help me with bash? |
| 19:24.11 | jordanm | !ask |
| 19:24.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:24.23 | amontero | hi all. |
| 19:24.25 | amontero | how can I avoid my sent mails (along my name and email) to bugs.d.o to be indexed on Google? |
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| 19:25.52 | nvteighen | amontero: uh? the Debian BTS is public... |
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| 19:26.09 | jordanm | amontero: use a different email account? |
| 19:27.07 | amontero | er... my fault: not avoid it in the future (I'll do that) but, how can I fix the only mail I've sent so far? |
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| 19:29.14 | amontero | apart from robots.txt for legitimate search engines, I find it very worrying because of email harvesters... :( |
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| 19:30.15 | jhutchins | amontero: You can't. |
| 19:30.30 | jhutchins | amontero: Once something is publishe on the web it's available forever. |
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| 19:32.29 | amontero | any chance of deleting/obfuscating name and/or email address for a single mail as a one-off? what is the listadmin email for bugs.d.o? |
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| 19:33.02 | amontero | (note that I want the bug report to stay, and hopefully contribute more with reports and comments) |
| 19:33.28 | amontero | just making the leap from Ubuntu/Launchpad to debian.org :) |
| 19:34.04 | blubberdiblub | amontero, some web mail services offer throw-away email addresses. you can throw them away as soon as you get spam on them |
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| 19:35.32 | amontero | thx for the tip, I've heard about them, will definitely look at it. I'm mainly concerned with existing mail. |
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| 19:36.55 | nonz | I forgot /boot when i created my encrypted partitions and now i get "in use as physical volume for encrypted volume sda2_crypt" when i try to delete one of my partitions. I used dmsetup and fdisk but what more do i need to do to, its still in use by the system. |
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| 19:41.02 | amontero | also, I'm reading the lists info (I have the listadmin email at hand) and I've not found any info about email harvesters crawl prevention. anyone has info on this? |
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| 19:58.10 | xonnel | i just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy |
| 19:58.23 | xonnel | when i install a program through the software center |
| 19:58.29 | xonnel | it installs twice |
| 19:58.33 | xonnel | any ideas? |
| 19:58.33 | e3_ | Hello, is there something corresponding to the source command on fedora? |
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| 20:01.27 | mikarch | @xonnel. Have you installed programs through the command line? (like with apt-get/aptitude) |
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| 20:02.20 | DammitJim | what does this mean from 'man sed': edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied) |
| 20:02.24 | nvteighen | e3_: what does that do in Fedora= |
| 20:02.26 | DammitJim | makes backup? |
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| 20:03.09 | xand | DammitJim: it means it edits the file |
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| 20:03.19 | xand | and can make a backup of it |
| 20:03.37 | DammitJim | hhmmmm... I don't see the -i parameter making a backup |
| 20:03.41 | DammitJim | what does it call it? |
| 20:04.07 | DammitJim | oh |
| 20:04.08 | DammitJim | nevermind |
| 20:04.15 | DammitJim | one does -ibak for example |
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| 20:06.57 | xonnel | yeah i installed chrome that way |
| 20:07.02 | xonnel | sorry for the late response |
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| 20:07.55 | xonnel | it only installed once |
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| 20:08.12 | xonnel | even synaptic is only installing once |
| 20:08.39 | xonnel | shrugs.... first time trying software center guess i'll go back to cli or synaptic |
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| 20:09.38 | e3_ | nvteighen: In fedora I type 'source myfile' and in myfile are all the exports for the environment |
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| 20:10.04 | nvteighen | e3_: oh, ok... I think it's . (yes, a dot) |
| 20:10.37 | e3_ | so I have to type . myfile? |
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| 20:12.56 | peterrooney | !dotfiles |
| 20:12.56 | dpkg | [dotfiles] http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
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| 20:15.40 | e3_ | nvteighen: Does the file need to be executable? |
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| 20:18.14 | nvteighen | e3_: I think not... but now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure you can use source in Debian too |
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| 20:28.25 | Mo0O | hi there |
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| 20:29.25 | Marenz | greetings |
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| 20:29.39 | Marenz | I was wondering, what is the proper way to define the default device for oss4 in debian? |
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| 20:34.12 | Mo0O | I'm on http://is.gd/629MVe do you think it's a good starting point? so I have two raid partition /dev/md1 and /dev/md2 I want to shrink md2 and grow md1, but how can I be sure md2 shrink will be at the begining of md2 partition, to make possible md1 can grow with? or am I on a wrong way? |
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| 20:34.22 | Mo0O | thanks :) |
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| 20:36.14 | Mo0O | Marenz: I think it's mostly depending on your window manager |
| 20:37.11 | somiaj | I'd think you could define the default sound device at a lower level than the wm. I don't know what the quivlant for ~/.asoundrc is for oss4 though. |
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| 20:44.21 | sean__ | I'm trying to package a C++ library with a SWIG-based Python wrapper. I've used dh_make to help set up the package, and set up a override_dh_auto_install, but I'm running into a "Permission denied" on "copying build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/librets.py -> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages". I haven't had any luck in searches finding a resolution to this. Any pointers? |
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| 20:47.42 | biberao | yo |
| 20:48.05 | biberao | been trying to install acrobat reader and not on deb-multimedia anymore |
| 20:48.28 | marsje | I'm trying to make a bootable installer usb stick using a iso file. I did: cp debian-xxxx.iso /dev/sdc per instructions on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en but it doesn't work. The stick does not boot. |
| 20:49.53 | biberao | marsje: you need the isolinux and those files |
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| 20:49.59 | marsje | When I insert the stick in a running system, I do see all the files... but when I look at it in gparted, it doesn't show any partitions |
| 20:50.14 | marsje | biberao: isolinux? |
| 20:50.32 | biberao | yes |
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| 20:50.57 | biberao | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en |
| 20:51.05 | biberao | i think it works the same |
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| 20:52.02 | marsje | biberao: you mean I need a special "isohybrid" iso file? |
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| 20:53.13 | biberao | no |
| 20:53.19 | biberao | marsje: you just need those files there |
| 20:53.21 | biberao | read that part |
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| 20:54.31 | marsje | biberao: maybe I'm blind, but exactly which part on that page are you referring to? |
| 20:54.41 | biberao | the us booting |
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| 20:56.01 | marsje | I read: "The easiest way to prepare your USB memory stick is to download any Debian CD or DVD image that will fit on it, and write the CD image directly to the memory stick." |
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| 20:57.21 | smurder | hello. i can uplate debian 6 to 7 without reinstall? |
| 20:58.23 | biberao | dont do that |
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| 20:58.27 | biberao | marsje: use hd-media |
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| 20:59.32 | smurder | hello |
| 20:59.50 | smurder | hello. i can uplate debian 6 to 7 without reinstall? |
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| 21:00.28 | biberao | i believe you can |
| 21:00.38 | marsje | biberao: is that the same as the "live" images? |
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| 21:01.01 | marsje | biberao: let me try |
| 21:01.02 | biberao | marsje: nope |
| 21:01.22 | sammy | So -j is a nifty thing when compiling and ive seen the speed increase but what is it by default? 1? 1 per core? Ive also read making it too high can hurt performance |
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| 21:01.53 | Chrys0pras3 | Hello |
| 21:01.59 | Chrys0pras3 | I'm having trouble getting a program to write to stdout instead of writing to a file |
| 21:02.16 | marsje | biberao: but then what does this mean? "The easiest way to prepare your USB memory stick is to download ***any Debian CD or DVD image*** that will fit on it, and write the CD image directly to the memory stick." (emphasis is mine) |
| 21:02.31 | Chrys0pras3 | So far I've tried named pipes and process substitution, but it didn't work. |
| 21:02.38 | biberao | marsje: man i would try with hd-media |
| 21:02.40 | biberao | your choice |
| 21:03.05 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: what program is that? |
| 21:03.05 | marsje | biberao: maybe, but someone should fix the docs... |
| 21:03.07 | Chrys0pras3 | Using the default - won't work with this program, any ideas? |
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| 21:03.43 | Chrys0pras3 | I've tried with several, grep, wget, etc... but I ultimately want to use it with cryptsetup |
| 21:04.14 | marsje | biberao: also, where is the link to the hd-media? |
| 21:04.21 | biberao | marsje: i googled |
| 21:04.21 | msn | i am using kde on debian wheezy, When i plug in a USB device i get a notification saying the device is mountable but when i try to mount it and open in File Manager, it fails to mount |
| 21:04.21 | biberao | hehe |
| 21:04.34 | Chrys0pras3 | koollman: hasn't worked with any of them |
| 21:04.35 | biberao | msn ive looked everywhere to fix my usb booting once |
| 21:04.51 | biberao | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 21:04.54 | msn | biberao: ? |
| 21:05.25 | marsje | msn: he meant me I think :) |
| 21:05.30 | marsje | biberao: yeah, but that is the old debian |
| 21:05.33 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: I'm not sure I understand your problem. Can you show what you tried ? |
| 21:05.42 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: What exactly do you want to stdout with cryptsetup? |
| 21:05.49 | rudi_s | (And wget, grep, etc. all can write to stdout.) |
| 21:06.37 | Chrys0pras3 | koollman: wget startpage.com -O /dev/null >(tee somefile) >(grep start) |
| 21:06.38 | biberao | yes marsje |
| 21:06.40 | Chrys0pras3 | for instance |
| 21:06.42 | marsje | biberao: I tried a debian 7 live image and this one seems to work |
| 21:07.16 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: well. you are writing to /dev/null. what would you want to happen when you do that ? |
| 21:07.16 | Chrys0pras3 | koollman: I get error "/dev/fd/63: Scheme missing" |
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| 21:07.43 | biberao | ok marsje you made it your way? |
| 21:08.22 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: What should that do? |
| 21:08.22 | marsje | biberao: yeah, I remember indeed that there used to be special images previously, but now the manual says that ANY image will work, and I need Debian 7, not 6 |
| 21:08.37 | Chrys0pras3 | koollman: doesn't matter, also tried writing to normal file, just didn't want to get things cluttered in my /home |
| 21:09.05 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: The point is you're passing two "files" to wget which doesn't make any sense. |
| 21:09.11 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: well, it matters since I cannot understand what you were trying to do with that |
| 21:09.25 | rudi_s | What do you want to do? (Not how you're tring it.) |
| 21:09.27 | rudi_s | *trying |
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| 21:09.49 | rudi_s | If you want to do something with the output of wget, well, use wget -O - http://example.org | grep foo |
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| 21:13.22 | Chrys0pras3 | rudi_s: koollman: I want this: cryptsetup luksHeaderBackup /dev/<device> --header-backup-file /dev/null >(gpg --symmetric --cipher-algo aes256 --digest-algo sha512 --armor -o backup.tar.gz.asc) |
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| 21:13.45 | Chrys0pras3 | But I want to make sure it works before trying |
| 21:14.05 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: no, you probably don't. try saying what you want with sentences first |
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| 21:15.11 | Chrys0pras3 | I want to backup an encrypted copy of my luks device header without saving it first unencrypted to disk |
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| 21:17.28 | h1nd | hey there. I would like download a file with wget, but the link (when I copy & paste) does not contain the direct filename as expected (filename.tar.gz). Instead the link looks like that http://www.any.site/download/bla?download=123:toolxyz When I open this link on a browser, a window is popped up and I can save the filename.tar.gz. But with wget it doesn't |
| 21:17.30 | jjanvier | hi there |
| 21:18.00 | jjanvier | I'd like to change my old hard drive |
| 21:18.18 | jjanvier | is it OK to use a SSD on debian nowadays ? |
| 21:18.27 | h1nd | I also tried with wget http://www.any.site/download/bla?download=123:toolxyz -O mydesires.name.tar.gz but it doesn't work either. The file size of the downloaded and saved file "mydesires.name.tar.gz" is not complete and therefore "tar xvzf mydesires.name.tar.gz" fails |
| 21:19.26 | Chrys0pras3 | koollman: do you understand now? |
| 21:19.39 | sean__ | jjanvier: Depends on the SSD, but I've been using SSDs for years and been quite happy. I mostly use Intel, but my new work desktop has a Crucial that seems to work well. |
| 21:19.44 | ExeciN | I have libdb5.1++-dev installed (I even tried to reinstall it) but this file is missing /usr/include/db_cxx.h am I doing something wrong? |
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| 21:20.19 | sean__ | jjanvier: I've heard bad things about OCZ but haven't used them. |
| 21:20.30 | rudi_s | h1nd: Try --trust-server-names, but check the man page for the security implications. |
| 21:20.31 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: --header-backup-file >(gpg --symmetric --cipher-algo aes256 --digest-algo sha512 --armor -o backup.tar.gz.asc) |
| 21:20.44 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: and, to be honest, I would probably not do that |
| 21:20.46 | up365 | jjanvier, here are two wikis to read first, https://wiki.debian.org/SSD%20Installation https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
| 21:21.00 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: As koollman said, don't do that. |
| 21:21.21 | h1nd | rudi_s: this option doesn't help either ... |
| 21:21.39 | rudi_s | h1nd: Hm. In that case, no idea. Sorry. |
| 21:22.50 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: There should be no reason to save the header and it has security implications. |
| 21:23.43 | jjanvier | sean__, thanks ! is the optimization page "required" or just a "could be cool to do it" |
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| 21:25.15 | Chrys0pras3 | rudi_s: I understand the security implications: if someone gets a key and access to the backup header, they could get my master key. But I also want to make sure I don't lose my data in case I lose something goes wrong |
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| 21:25.56 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: That's what (encrypted) backups are for. |
| 21:26.11 | rudi_s | If you lose the first few sectors of the disk, most likely the rest will be gone too. |
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| 21:27.02 | Chrys0pras3 | My backup will be encrypted, but i also want my key to be encrypted |
| 21:27.06 | sean__ | jjanvier: I haven't done any optimizations on my systems running SSDs. I've just started reading that Optimization page, so I can't comment yet. The SSD Installation link looks to be at least 3-5 years out of date (based on comments like "writes to the same block should be avoided" and "10K writes". And it really doesn't cover installation so much as copying an existing install to an SSD. |
| 21:27.09 | kelpie | wtf |
| 21:27.21 | kelpie | debootstrap says E: Couldn't download dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 21:27.24 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: The point is, backup the data. Not the first sectors of the disk. |
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| 21:27.43 | kelpie | it worked 2 hours ago |
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| 21:28.51 | Chrys0pras3 | rudi_s: Ok, but I'd still like to know why process substitution isn't working |
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| 21:29.18 | rudi_s | Chrys0pras3: koollman already gave you the solution. |
| 21:29.31 | sean__ | jjanvier: That Optimization page, the "put var data in a ram disc that get synced, I'd recommend against that. Also note that it says btrfs has an ssd flag, but doesn't mention ext4's "discard" flag. |
| 21:29.32 | rudi_s | You must use >(..) in place of the filename. |
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| 21:31.33 | Chrys0pras3 | koollman: thanks, it's working now |
| 21:31.42 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: it doesn't work if you use /dev/null first. this is what you write. it will fail: echo test > /dev/null >( someprocess) |
| 21:32.27 | up365 | sean__, if there is something more current and accurate regarding Debian and SSDs, I'd also be interested |
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| 21:32.57 | koollman | Chrys0pras3: because in most shells, redirecting to two files won't work as you expect it. (it is basically : echo test > a > b ) |
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| 21:33.13 | sean__ | jjanvier: Personally, other than "discard" on ext4, I wouldn't do the majority of what is mentioned in that Optimization page. Much of it seems to be oriented towards "writes on SSDs are extremely bad", which really hasn't been the case for quite a while. The recommendation to put changing data on a hard drive is kind of silly, that's the place you'll get most of your SSD speed-up. :-) |
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| 21:33.56 | sean__ | up365: I don't know of a good source, most of the popular sources of SSD information have a lot of fear in them. |
| 21:34.11 | m0g | I'd like to help debian, I read the help page but still don't see where I'd fit. I can program, I know some sysadmin but not so much. Do you have advice to find somewhere to help? I'm kinda lost. |
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| 21:35.12 | Azhrarn_ | m0g: find a package or OS feature that you like enough to make better, then start being useful to whoever has purview over it :) |
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| 21:37.04 | m0g | Azhrarn: yup ok, I'll try to find something then :] |
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| 21:38.24 | jjanvier | sean__, ok, thanks for everything, so I can almost forget these 2 wiki pages ^^ |
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| 21:45.57 | rryoumaa | i'd suggest improving accessibility, make dpi scaling respected everywhere, etc. |
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| 21:48.19 | occupant | the dependencies for nagios-nrpe-plugin are just bizarre. apparently it installs every service or thing that NRPE is capable of checking. wow. |
| 21:48.57 | mumpitze1 | occupant: probably due to recommends |
| 21:49.09 | mumpitze1 | debian installs more than just dependencies by edfault |
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| 21:49.39 | koollman | not just recommends. some scripts depends on the tools from the service to work |
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| 21:54.14 | occupant | koollman: I'm used to the centos approach, which is just to install NRPE and let you figure the rest out yourself. |
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| 21:55.34 | mmercer | lo all, having issues with repairing a raid0 device (software raid). had a drive fail, pfy pulled it without removing from the mdadm, when i do an mdadm --detail /dev/md0 it shows that there are 4 raid devices, only 3 are present, i cat /proc/mdstat and it shows personalities [raid0] and shows inactive and 3 disks present, there is NOT the normal UU or U |
| 21:55.36 | Kenjiro | hello there |
| 21:55.42 | Kenjiro | I am newbie to Debian |
| 21:55.52 | mmercer | and I also cannot determine the drive sequence via /etc/md/mdadm.conf |
| 21:56.08 | Kenjiro | is there a command or script I can run so to reconfigure the system? (like those options you get when you are installling the system) |
| 21:56.25 | mmercer | its showing that the ARRAY is mapped by UUID, so how do I remove the correct uuid in this case.. |
| 21:57.06 | marsje | what!? debian 7 doesn't know btrfs?? |
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| 22:00.18 | mumpitze1 | marsje: it is. CONFIG_BTRFS_FS=m |
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| 22:00.46 | marsje | mumpitze1: is that a compile flag? |
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| 22:01.06 | mumpitze1 | yes. for the kernel. grep BTRFS /boot/config* |
| 22:01.14 | quinso | I was compiling a patched version of kernel and it compiled for a very long time, but in the ned there was a gpg error - clearsign failed - secret key not found. How do I fix it and how do I finish the compiling without having to wait while it compiles for a few hours again? |
| 22:01.21 | marsje | mumpitze1: do you mean I have to recompile the kernel? |
| 22:01.40 | quinso | The command I used for compilation is "debuild -e DEBIAN_KERNEL_JOBS=${NR_CPUS} |
| 22:01.41 | mumpitze1 | marsje: no. I mean debian has btrfs support by default |
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| 22:04.28 | marsje | mumpitze1: what does "=m" mean? yes, no, maybe? |
| 22:04.37 | mumpitze1 | module |
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| 22:06.34 | marsje | mumpitze1: gaprted doesn't seem to recognize the partitions |
| 22:06.40 | marsje | gparted |
| 22:06.50 | mumpitze1 | that's a gparted problem then. not a kernel one |
| 22:06.57 | mumpitze1 | the kernel only mounts them. which it can do just fine |
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| 22:08.38 | marsje | well, I have another problem... it seems debian 7 can't handle my touchpad with integrated buttons... can't do click+drag |
| 22:09.20 | Peny | i want to download debian server, but i have very limited quota and speed for the internet, is there a way that I can save all the files it will download, so that i can re-use them after the initial install, rather than downloading for ever reinstall ? |
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| 22:09.54 | mumpitze1 | Peny: debian caches all .deb files it ever downloads with apt in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 22:10.32 | mumpitze1 | Peny: unless you empty this directory the files will stay there forever |
| 22:11.54 | Peny | oh ok, cool. when i reinstall, what kind of a base system should i start off with, to unpack the debs into? |
| 22:12.13 | mumpitze1 | the base system debian installs normally |
| 22:12.32 | Peny | the net install system? |
| 22:12.36 | mumpitze1 | yes |
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| 22:13.18 | Peny | ah. so when i download that system, it is the base, and i can just copy that along with the debs and go from there... sweet |
| 22:13.24 | quinso | How do I check terminal output history beyond what it saves in the window? |
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| 22:14.08 | mumpitze1 | bash has a command history. apart from that there is no history |
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| 22:14.32 | Peny | quinso if it is for one command, then add > filename to the command you do, and it will save it all into a file |
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| 22:15.19 | Peny | so $ mybigcommand -with -lots -of -options > mynewlogfileIcanreadlater |
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| 22:15.23 | quinso | Peny: the problem is - I've already did the command and it took a few hours to complete it. |
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| 22:15.40 | kelpie | something is terribly wrong or i'm stupid |
| 22:15.42 | Peny | it can still goto the file |
| 22:16.05 | Peny | kelpie, have you considered the possibilty of both ? |
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| 22:16.16 | quinso | Any idea then how to compile with debuild without rebuilding all the modules for a few hours? My last attempt failed in the end. |
| 22:16.22 | riceAndBeans | i tried the firmware netinstall and I'm still missing "rtlwifif/rtk8192cfw.bin"...... was there something else I was suposed to do? |
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| 22:16.41 | kelpie | Peny: well there is a possibility |
| 22:16.47 | Peny | quinso that's beyond me |
| 22:17.06 | Peny | :) that's all I'm saying, just consider every possibility |
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| 22:18.23 | kelpie | i'm trying to partition CF card but when i create partition table with 255 heads and 63 sectors per track i get errors |
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| 22:18.42 | riceAndBeans | i tried the firmware netinstall and I'm still missing "rtlwifif/rtk8192cfw.bin"...... was there something else I was suposed to do? |
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| 22:20.14 | kelpie | for every partition on the disk i get "previous sectors <number> disagrees with total <number>" |
| 22:20.54 | Peny | I recall formatting usb drives recently, but there never was any cylinders involved in the commands |
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| 22:21.34 | Peny | I put a linux filesystem onto the usb drive so I could have 20GB files and so on |
| 22:21.42 | kelpie | Peny: i had to change it because previous partition table was for amiga |
| 22:21.53 | Peny | it was just command lines, without the cylinder stuff |
| 22:21.56 | marsje | I had Mint installed and installed DEbian 7 next to it... but grub did no add Mint to the grub menu, so I can't boot Mint anymore (and Debian does not work properly) |
| 22:22.03 | Peny | argh! heresy!!!!! |
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| 22:22.12 | marsje | why did grub do this? It has never did this before? |
| 22:22.19 | Peny | then DON'T ask a A1200 fanatic !!!! |
| 22:22.25 | Peny | ;) |
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| 22:22.44 | Peny | does debian go onto amigas ? |
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| 22:23.08 | kelpie | yes but it's horribly slow |
| 22:23.25 | Peny | hehehe, yes, heretics should suffer. |
| 22:23.53 | kelpie | even with 20mhz turbo cards it's still very slow |
| 22:24.08 | Peny | I'd just get someone to gimme a image or file or send it to them, or use a floppy to format it |
| 22:24.21 | Peny | not for 1988 it's not |
| 22:24.34 | Peny | It blazez at 88MPH |
| 22:24.39 | riceAndBeans | i tried the firmware netinstall and I'm still missing "rtlwifif/rtk8192cfw.bin"...... was there something else I was suposed to do? |
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| 22:25.05 | goodboy | why debian boot into (initramfs) ？ panic! |
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| 22:25.23 | kelpie | right, for 90' standards it's really fast |
| 22:25.33 | Peny | yep |
| 22:25.50 | Peny | it's a 50GHz computer by todays standards ;) |
| 22:25.57 | Peny | 16 core or so |
| 22:26.08 | Peny | (sigh) the first ever multitasking computer |
| 22:26.13 | kelpie | but hardly anyone could afford turbo card these days |
| 22:27.12 | Peny | the amiga hardware STILL costs the same as it did in the 80 |
| 22:27.15 | Peny | s and 90's |
| 22:27.31 | Peny | hehe, try selling a 286 on ebay |
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| 22:27.46 | Peny | amiga is the VW of the computer world. |
| 22:27.52 | Peny | never dies |
| 22:27.59 | Peny | runs debian |
| 22:28.14 | marsje | is it a ubuntu feature that grubs looks for other OS's installed and adds them to grub? or can debian do the same trick? it's kinda rude to remove all the other entries from the menu |
| 22:28.18 | kelpie | not the same but it's really expensive if you want something uncommon :) |
| 22:28.59 | riceAndBeans | i tried the firmware netinstall and I'm still missing "rtlwifif/rtk8192cfw.bin"...... was there something else I was suposed to do? |
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| 22:31.47 | marsje | mumpitze1: could it be grub also doesn't recognize my btrfs partitions? |
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| 22:33.33 | peterrooney | marsje: it is not an ubuntu specific feature. |
| 22:34.10 | marsje | peterrooney: what tool do I use to scan for partitions and add them to the grubmenu? |
| 22:34.15 | peterrooney | marsje: and yes, it's rude, which is why nobody installs Microsoft last. |
| 22:34.34 | marsje | peterrooney: I installed debian last! |
| 22:34.45 | marsje | peterrooney: I haven't used windows in years |
| 22:35.05 | peterrooney | marsje: IIRC, the package is os-prober. |
| 22:35.10 | peterrooney | ,versions os-prober |
| 22:35.11 | judd | Package: os-prober on i386 -- squeeze: 1.42; wheezy: 1.58; jessie: 1.63; sid: 1.63 |
| 22:35.15 | marsje | peterrooney: I think debian live cd's installer is screwed up |
| 22:35.39 | marsje | so far it always went fine |
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| 22:36.47 | marsje | peterrooney: os-prober does give any output at all? |
| 22:37.05 | babilen | riceAndBeans: Why do you think that you still miss it? And AFAIK that file is not in Debian (looks as if you have a number of typos in there) |
| 22:37.14 | peterrooney | marsje: probably the best way is "apt-get --reinstall install <current kernel image>" |
| 22:37.31 | marsje | peterrooney: I'll try it |
| 22:37.58 | marsje | is disappointed by debian's lack of out of the box experience |
| 22:38.30 | marsje | debian of server: great, debian on desktop: endless fiddling getting a working system |
| 22:38.32 | babilen | boo! |
| 22:38.59 | babilen | riceAndBeans: That file is part of firmware-realtek and should therefore be on the netinstall image with firmware. The installer will, however, still ask you to provide it. You can safely ignore that and just continue. |
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| 22:39.26 | riceAndBeans | babilen: babilen ohhhhhhhhh |
| 22:39.39 | riceAndBeans | babilen: so just click continue and it'll detect the network?! :D |
| 22:39.44 | babilen | yeah |
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| 22:40.37 | babilen | riceAndBeans: I agree that it is a bit unfortunate, but the installer essentially finds the firmware on itself. It still prompts you to insert "itself" which is, well, suboptimal. |
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| 22:42.29 | marsje | peterrooney: reinstalling kernel did not help... I saw it looking for kernels, but it did not scan other partitions or didn't find anything on it... |
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| 22:43.11 | babilen | marsje: fwiw, you have to run "update-grub2" for it to re-generate the grub config. |
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| 22:44.03 | babilen | marsje: And we (well I) really don't recommend to install from the live images, but to use the actual installer for that. |
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| 22:45.08 | marsje | babilen: well, the live image is the only one that would run from usb stick... the regular iso did not work from usb. also, the documentation says ANY linux iso should work from usb |
| 22:45.26 | marsje | babilen: my laptop does not have a cd drive |
| 22:45.39 | babilen | Which image did you try and how did you write it to the USB? (non-live that is) |
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| 22:46.10 | marsje | babilen: also, it's not clear and not logical that the installer on the live cd is different from the one on the live isos |
| 22:46.14 | marsje | babilen: how is someone supposed to know it? |
| 22:46.19 | marsje | and why is it different in the 1st place? |
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| 22:47.03 | sean__ | To answer my previous question about debian packaging, my problem was that I was misunderstanding how fakeroot was working and I needed to patch the makefile to pass "--root=${DESTDIR}" to the setup.py install line. Thanks to rwp for helping out on that. |
| 22:47.15 | babilen | marsje: Because installing from a live image is quite different from an installer/system that is self-contained. And if you take a look at installation instructions for Debian they all recommend to use the "normal" images and that is what you are being offered if you look at debian.org |
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| 22:47.39 | babilen | marsje: Either way: Which image did you use and how did you write it to the USB and does "update-grub2" sort you out now? |
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| 22:48.24 | rwp | sean__, Happy to help! |
| 22:48.43 | marsje | babilen: I did: cp debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso /dev/sdc |
| 22:49.02 | marsje | babilen: I tried the same with the "normal" iso and they ended up not being bootable |
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| 22:49.32 | babilen | Did you sync afterwards? Which image did you try? Does "update-grub2" sort you out now? |
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| 22:49.56 | marsje | babilen: I did the sync |
| 22:50.05 | marsje | babilen: running update-grub2 now |
| 22:50.40 | babilen | marsje: I'm just asking because I booted many an image that has been created in exactly that manner - it would be a good idea to file a bug if you run into problems like that as that is definitely something that should be fixed (provided you didn't miss anything) |
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| 22:51.45 | babilen | It's hard to be 100% sure that our hybrid images work on everything, but the cases in which they don't are rare and there is very little we can do if people don't file extensive bug reports. (or co-operate with the people in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net to find a solution) |
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| 22:51.54 | marsje | babilen: I have been having problems booting from usb for my whole life... this is why I stick to cds if possible, because that does Just Work |
| 22:52.13 | babilen | sure, booting from CDs shouldn't pose a problem anymore. |
| 22:52.44 | marsje | babilen: I thought I wasn't doing anything exotic, but maybe there is more to it than I think there is |
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| 22:53.02 | marsje | babilen: lack of cd drive is a problem :) |
| 22:53.05 | babilen | there shouldn't, but it might be your hardware/BIOS/... |
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| 22:53.56 | babilen | I am sure that our installer developers would be very interested in information about systems that can't boot our hybrid images. Either way: Has grub been sorted out now? |
| 22:54.42 | babilen | (and if not: are systems for which it doesn't work using btrfs? ) |
| 22:54.48 | marsje | babilen: nope... os-prober doesn't give any output... update-grub2 generates a new menu, but doesn't find my btrfs Mint partitions |
| 22:55.08 | marsje | babilen: it just shows the debian partition |
| 22:55.09 | babilen | It's almost definitely btrfs in that case |
| 22:55.22 | babilen | You are using wheezy aren't you? |
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| 22:55.56 | marsje | babilen: yes |
| 22:56.03 | kelpie | god this error again... |
| 22:56.07 | marsje | babilen: after installing btrfs-tools at least gparted can see the partitions |
| 22:56.21 | kelpie | i'm trying to install grub |
| 22:56.25 | kelpie | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 22:56.51 | babilen | yeah, well ... the kernel in wheezy is not one I would use for btrfs (not that I would use that filesystem in the first place) |
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| 22:58.06 | marsje | babilen: it used fine so far in Mint, not sure which kernel that was |
| 22:58.48 | marsje | babilen: that would be 3.5 |
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| 22:59.11 | babilen | marsje: You might need grub-pc 1.99~rc1-12 at least |
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| 22:59.19 | babilen | judd: v grub-pc |
| 22:59.20 | judd | Package: grub-pc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; jessie: 1.99-27+deb7u1; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.99-27+deb7u2; sid: 2.00-18 |
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| 23:00.09 | marsje | babilen: grub seems to be around 1.99 for decades... is there a backparted version? |
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| 23:01.15 | marsje | babilen: anyway, good thing to know that installing an OS that does not support btrfs correctly will make your otehr btrfs partitions unusable |
| 23:01.32 | marsje | too late for me |
| 23:01.35 | babilen | marsje: No, grub has not been backported. I see *a lot* of btrfs specific entries in grub's changelog and am pretty convinced that grub (or the version in wheezy) is to blame here, without being sure what *exactly* causes your issue. Is your btrfs root also on an encrypted volume? |
| 23:01.45 | james41382 | I thought there was a problem with my mouse, but then I realized that I just needed to change the batteries. |
| 23:02.16 | marsje | babilen: no, it's not (although my reason for installing debian was because I was going to use a encrypted partition) |
| 23:02.27 | babilen | marsje: Well, you shouldn't have a problem booting into Arch (well, chrooting into it) and using grub from there. Are you planning to use wheezy or did you plan to track testing/unstable anyway? |
| 23:03.13 | marsje | babilen: I don't really need debian 7... just was trying to move from ubuntu/mint to plain debian |
| 23:03.31 | babilen | marsje: I am simply taking a look at http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/pkg-grub/trunk/grub/view/head:/debian/changelog and am amazed by the number of btrfs specific bugs (and fixes) |
| 23:03.41 | fetoega | fo snizzle |
| 23:03.56 | jcbjoe | my nizzle |
| 23:04.02 | babilen | jcbjoe: please don't |
| 23:04.16 | jcbjoe | my bad i saw fo snizzle |
| 23:04.22 | babilen | fetoega: Can we do anything for you? |
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| 23:04.48 | marsje | babilen: I gues smy best chance is to reinstall/rescue Mint |
| 23:05.49 | babilen | marsje: You should be able to trivially chroot into mint and reinstall grub from there ... All I am asking is if you planned to track testing or unstable on Debian to begin with as there is a good chance that grub/kernel/... in that is able to cope with that situation. |
| 23:05.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell marsje -about fixmbr |
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| 23:06.46 | babilen | marsje: The bot should have just sent you information on how to chroot and reinstall the bootloader (should work with mint as well) -- You might also want to try a newer kernel on Debian, but it might very well be that you need a newer grub version than what is in wheezy. |
| 23:06.50 | marsje | babilen: I'm a chroot noob. it means mount the mint partition and then run chroot from there? |
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| 23:07.23 | marsje | babilen: would moving to testing/unstable help? if yes, I don't mind |
| 23:07.26 | babilen | marsje: You would chroot into mint and mount /proc and /dev into the chroot before you do that ... you are then "in" mint. |
| 23:09.16 | babilen | marsje: Well, I don't want to make promises that I can't hold but it looks to me as if the problem are outdated/older versions of (at least) grub and/or the kernel. Those are newer in both testing and unstable and upgrading might therefore sort you out anyway ... I mean btrfs isn't a filesystem that is used for / that often and people who do that are typically either new to Linux or quite adventurous. |
| 23:09.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell marsje about wheezy->jessie |
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| 23:10.56 | marsje | babilen: this is not a critical system and I prefer having something new that almost works than something old that doesn't work at all |
| 23:11.08 | babilen | marsje: I'd also recommend reading https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and taking a look at <tum> (/msg dpkg tum) to learn about a setup that allows you to pull in packages from unstable. This is a more advanced and somewhat "rolling" setup of Debian in which you track a constantly changing development release (with newer software and newer bugs) that I wouldn't necessarily recommend to newcomers, but it is certainly an option and might appeal ... |
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| 23:11.14 | babilen | ... to you. |
| 23:12.15 | marsje | babilen: right now, I prefer the fastest solution, sinc eI just want a working laptop that I can take on my holiday on thursday |
| 23:12.27 | babilen | marsje: simply trying to talk you through the options. I mean you could just let mint manage grub and be done with it too ... but I wanted to show you the other options. I am horribly conservative and would never dream of using btrfs for / at this point so I don't have much experience with it. (/me is waiting for stable ZFS) |
| 23:12.35 | marsje | so it's not the time for too much experimenting (although interesting) |
| 23:13.24 | babilen | marsje: the fasted solution is probably to chroot into mint run "update-grub2" there and then reinstall the bootloader from there. That would allow mint to pick up Debian (and itself) and you would then let mint manage the bootloader. |
| 23:13.37 | marsje | babilen: what I understand is that btrfs is stable for normal stuff... but of course, when using debian stable, it means using older versions which don't seem to support btrfs well |
| 23:13.54 | babilen | (assuming mint gets it right due to the fact that it has newer software as it was synced from testing (or unstable?) at one point) |
| 23:14.08 | marsje | babilen: ok, let's try... never really used this chroot before, so bear with me |
| 23:14.46 | babilen | marsje: My personal impression of you is that you would be happy tracking testing even though it means a bit more work keeping the system running and up-to-date. |
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| 23:16.03 | marsje | babilen: I don't mind I guess, but at least I need something that boots :) |
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| 23:16.28 | marsje | is reading chroot instructions |
| 23:16.38 | babilen | sure :) |
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| 23:17.29 | marsje | babilen: so the instructions assume I'm booted from a cd? |
| 23:17.57 | marsje | babilen: I'm already booted in debian right now... is that possible too? |
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| 23:18.31 | babilen | marsje: You can chroot from Debian too. |
| 23:19.40 | marsje | babilen: ok, trying |
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| 23:22.37 | marsje | babilen: chroot gives me: failed to run command '/binn/bash': No such file or directory |
| 23:23.46 | babilen | "binn" != "bin" |
| 23:23.57 | marsje | sorry, bin |
| 23:24.44 | babilen | I have to see more than that (paste to http://paste.debian.net) -- Also elaborate on your partitioning scheme for mint. (is it all in one filesystem?) |
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| 23:25.46 | marsje | babilen: I think I see the problem... has to do with btrfs... in target/ there is a directory named @, in there is the actual root |
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| 23:26.41 | babilen | do whatever you have to do to actually mount that filesystem (and all other filesystems that are needed (e.g. separate /usr or /lib or whatnot)) |
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| 23:27.05 | babilen | And then chroot into the actual root :) |
| 23:27.26 | marsje | babilen: got it... that works better |
| 23:27.35 | babilen | don't forget to bind-mount /proc and /dev too |
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| 23:28.20 | babilen | (and /sys, why do I always forget to mention /sys ?) |
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| 23:28.56 | marsje | babilen: yeah, /sys, /proc and /dev |
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| 23:30.26 | marsje | babilen: but stilll... update grub says: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 23:30.49 | marsje | babilen: the /dev seems to have plenty of devices in it... |
| 23:31.11 | babilen | marsje: You did --bind mount /dev *into* the chroot didn't you? |
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| 23:31.33 | babilen | it's getting late here and I'll head to bed soon :-/ |
| 23:31.56 | marsje | babilen: you mean before I ran the chroot command, right? |
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| 23:32.17 | babilen | yes |
| 23:32.41 | marsje | yes, I did, but now I seem to have done it multiple times.. not sure if that is a problem? |
| 23:32.53 | babilen | yeah, remove the wrong ones ... |
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| 23:33.16 | marsje | is there a --unbind? |
| 23:33.22 | babilen | anyway, i'm off (sorry to let you hang, but i'm getting way too tired) |
| 23:33.27 | babilen | marsje: Just umount it |
| 23:34.09 | marsje | ok |
| 23:35.14 | mtn | marsje: another option: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub |
| 23:36.00 | marsje | babilen: still same error... maybe I should boot from usb? |
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| 23:40.06 | marsje | mtn: ok, where are the testing isos on debian.org? |
| 23:40.23 | dondelelcaro | marsje: we don't have testing ISOs. |
| 23:40.40 | dondelelcaro | marsje: however, you can install testing directly from any of the installer ISOs. |
| 23:40.55 | babilen | (or upgrade from wheezy as detailed in <wheezy->jessie>) |
| 23:41.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell marsje -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 23:41.58 | babilen | marsje: Good luck and see you tomorrow. don might know more about btrfs and grub/os-prober support for it, but its nothing that I would want to investigate in detail now. |
| 23:42.20 | marsje | babilen: thanks! |
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| 23:42.41 | marsje | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
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| 23:45.29 | dondelelcaro | marsje: no problem; good luck |
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