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| 00:44.02 | cookiemon5ter | what is the package that contains the man pages for the c/c++ library functions |
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| 00:44.58 | themill | manpages-dev |
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| 00:46.23 | cookiemon5ter | themill: thanks |
| 00:47.12 | riceAndBeans | during net install i could not connect to the mirror. i'm using firmware net install and it said I'm missing "rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" but i just ignored it and continued because someone told me that would work. what can i do to get this wifi to work duing the installation process? |
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| 00:53.06 | BostonMA1776 | Hello, I just restarted Linux Mint 64 bit using KDE. I didn't change anything but now I boot to terminal not KDE. I cannot find the mint support page so I ask you to help me. I am typing this in irssi from command line. |
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| 00:54.34 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 00:56.44 | riceAndBeans | during net install i could not connect to the mirror. i'm using firmware net install and it said I'm missing "rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" but i just ignored it and continued because someone told me that would work. what can i do to get this wifi to work duing the installation process? |
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| 01:05.28 | themill | riceAndBeans: can you plug in and use a wired internet connection just to complete your installation? |
| 01:05.42 | riceAndBeans | themill: no |
| 01:06.12 | themill | You can download the firmware-realtek package from packages.debian.org and put it on a USB stick and the installer will try to use it |
| 01:06.44 | riceAndBeans | shich one is it? i thought that would be in the firmware installer? |
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| 01:07.12 | themill | oh, you're already using the firmware image? yes, that should work straight away |
| 01:07.54 | riceAndBeans | themill: it didn't |
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| 01:08.38 | riceAndBeans | themill: maybe manually injecting it from an external media would work, but I'm not sure how to find that firmware |
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| 01:43.22 | auxy | hey guys~ |
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| 01:44.12 | auxy | would anyone in here happen to know, offhand, which -- if any -- of the little USB wifi dongles available from wal-mart, best buy, and etc (you know -- netgears, linksys by cisco, belkin, dlink, etc) have drivers available for debian? |
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| 01:45.02 | ectospasm | I always buy ASUS wireless adapters, seem to always have the Atheros chipsets which are well supported in not only Debian, but most current Linux distros. |
| 01:45.28 | ectospasm | ...but then again I usually get them from Amazon or Newegg |
| 01:45.31 | somiaj | auxy: most of them, but unless you know the chipset on the device no way to know for sure. |
| 01:45.37 | auxy | aha~ |
| 01:45.39 | somiaj | auxy: I use a linksys one |
| 01:45.55 | auxy | I'm a total novice with this sort of thing |
| 01:46.08 | riceAndBeans | during net install i could not connect to the mirror. i'm using firmware net install and it said I'm missing "rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" but i just ignored it and continued because someone told me that would work. what can i do to get this wifi to work duing the installation process? |
| 01:46.31 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: if it said the firmware is missing then it is missing. What chipset is your wireless adapter. |
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| 01:46.48 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: also can you give the link of the firmware image you installed, or just verify it was from here |
| 01:46.51 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 01:46.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 01:47.05 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin i have an i52340M |
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| 01:47.42 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: that dosen't sound right, rtl should ahve a realtek chipset number |
| 01:47.59 | somiaj | RTL.... |
| 01:48.21 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: what is the chipset number? it said i was miss that., i.e. what is in quotes. I used the firmware net installer |
| 01:48.25 | somiaj | (I just wanted to make sure your wireless card is supported by wheezy) |
| 01:48.46 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: can you hit ctrl-alt-f2 and in the cosonle that is open run 'lspci' and find the chipset number? |
| 01:48.58 | riceAndBeans | i'm on windows |
| 01:49.03 | riceAndBeans | device manager |
| 01:49.56 | auxy | huh, d-link has linux driver downloads on their page |
| 01:49.58 | somiaj | I wouldn't know how to get the chipset from that |
| 01:50.19 | riceAndBeans | realtek8188CE ? somiaj |
| 01:51.05 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: that's what it says under network adapters in device manager. i dont know if that's the adapter firmware or just the driver name |
| 01:51.06 | ectospasm | riceAndBeans: worse comes to worst, you can download a Live Debian image, boot off of it, and look at lsusb |
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| 01:52.10 | somiaj | its a pci card, and looks like it should be supported |
| 01:52.12 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: i can boot into linux mint and check there and be right back, will u be here in 5 minutes? i can't stay on mint becausethe wireless isn't really working on it |
| 01:52.22 | rryoumaa | i found out that i can work around at least one audio flakiness by running /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart AS A REGULAR USER. what does it mean that that works? |
| 01:52.32 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: can you give me a link of the firmware image you downloaded. It appears you aren't loading the right firmware |
| 01:52.34 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: ok so i dont need to run lspci |
| 01:52.46 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#supported-rtl8192ce |
| 01:52.55 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: I'm hoping your device is one of the ones in that list |
| 01:54.28 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: i don't hve the link to the firmware anymore, i can tell you the nake: firmware7.1.0netinstal .... somthing like that. what do i do from here? |
| 01:55.50 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: the net install contains a base system. You can install the base system on your machine. Copy the firmware over to it via usb (or have it on your windows partition and copy it from there). Install the firmware and then contnue the by installing the packages you want |
| 01:55.50 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: i think this is the link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:56.05 | somiaj | so just ignore the find a mirror and setup the network options |
| 01:57.16 | somiaj | you will have to be able to configure the newtork from the cli though. |
| 01:57.18 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: how do I download the firmware? and then add it to the base system? |
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| 01:57.56 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: what u mean by configure the network? add the wlan firmware? |
| 01:58.19 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 01:58.22 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: why can't i do this during installation? i installed the firmware net install iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:58.29 | riceAndBeans | the iso option |
| 01:59.14 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: I am unsure why the firmware image is not working with your wifi card and not loading the correct firmware. It could be you need newer firmware and kernel than in wheezy, could be a bug. I am just giving you an additional option |
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| 02:00.39 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: ok, could I point at the the firmware you just linked during instalation? or only after i install the base system? how do i add the firmware once the base system is installed? |
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| 02:01.55 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: read the install guide, it tells you how to load firmware. My method I'm suggesting is to just wait until you have a base system running and then install the firmware package |
| 02:02.20 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 02:03.05 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: download the .dsc or the tar.gz? |
| 02:04.17 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: where does http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek say how to install the firmware? |
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| 02:06.45 | module000 | riceAndBeans: did you check the install guide? (lazy protip: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s02.html.en) |
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| 02:08.50 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: I'd download the .deb myself |
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| 02:10.01 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: i'm on a windows machine. i'm trying to download the firmware to external media to put on the base system. I don't see any instuctions on how to do that in the link you provided me and am not sure what exactly to download. which is the right download link? |
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| 02:11.19 | balki | Is it possible to run an executable during a debian installation, to verify that the package can be installed? |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:14.33 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: I'm just suggesting the way I know and the way I would do it. I perfer to get out of the limited installer to a base system and then configure the system to work. read the install guide if you want to mess with the installer |
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| 02:15.33 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: what's the right link to install my firmware? and instructions on how to install it from the base system? I'm a noob and really want debian on my machine. I want to learn/ |
| 02:16.05 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: download the .deb file, you install it with 'dpkg -i file.deb' |
| 02:16.14 | dvs | riceAndBeans: Why doesn't the firmware ISO work for you? |
| 02:16.17 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: i'm on a win machine |
| 02:16.22 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
| 02:16.33 | somiaj | dvs: I have no clue, it gives him some error cannot load firmware. |
| 02:16.38 | riceAndBeans | dvs: haha, I wish this noob knew. I imagine a glitch in the installer? |
| 02:17.17 | dvs | somiaj: Weird. It worked for my 8188CE |
| 02:17.21 | riceAndBeans | this also happened with me with a broadcom wireless firmware on a different laptop... firmware netinstalled failed both times |
| 02:17.41 | somiaj | dvs: maybe have him redownload the firmware imagea and burn it. |
| 02:17.43 | module000 | riceAndBeans: somiaj is giving you really good advice. go ahead and get installed using a non-netinstall image - then after you boot, load the .deb you download and you should be good to go |
| 02:17.46 | riceAndBeans | it said I was missing "rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" |
| 02:17.47 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: are you using this on a cd or usb? |
| 02:18.01 | riceAndBeans | usb! |
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| 02:18.05 | riceAndBeans | maybe that's the culprit? |
| 02:18.16 | zombie21 | <module000> zombie21: make you a deal, convince #debian it's a good idea, and i'll write your patch myself. |
| 02:18.16 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: what program did you use to make the usb bootable |
| 02:18.42 | dvs | waits for the u word |
| 02:18.45 | module000 | zombie21: go ahead and tell them what you want, make sure you mention that it's patented. |
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| 02:19.43 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: uneti, rufus ..... and on the broadcom laptop i used linux's "cp" function |
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| 02:20.24 | riceAndBeans | uneti and most recently rufus |
| 02:20.38 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: yea I have no clue why it is not working for your device. I would just install a base system and fix it at this point. Others may have ideas why it didn't work |
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| 02:20.48 | zombie21 | #debug, unfortunately you have to read https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=319901 |
| 02:21.06 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: module000 should I install base system from netinstall? or from what? |
| 02:21.07 | zombie21 | gah... #debian, unfortunately you have to read https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=319901 |
| 02:21.08 | dvs | win32diskimage is the recommended writer |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | imager |
| 02:21.28 | riceAndBeans | dvs: thanks |
| 02:21.30 | dvs | that too. |
| 02:21.41 | riceAndBeans | dvs: should I install base system from netinstall? or from what? |
| 02:22.06 | module000 | riceAndBeans: you'll need more than netinstall if you don't have network. grab the larger ISO containing the base system install |
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| 02:22.14 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: the netinstall contains a base system. If you want more than a base system (such as the xfce desktop) you can download a full cd images. Either works |
| 02:22.23 | dvs | riceAndBeans: You should rewrite the USB drive with win32diskimager and try the install again. |
| 02:22.25 | somiaj | module000: the netinstall contains a full basesystem |
| 02:22.39 | riceAndBeans | dvs: i will |
| 02:22.51 | module000 | somiaj: i stand corrected, i've never tried it without network connectivity |
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| 02:24.11 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: module000 i think i want xfce with it. so i have to download a full xfce deb iso? link? in the netinstall there is the option to install the xfce iso, but that would only work if could connect to the mirror, right? otherwise the base system would be missing the gui? |
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| 02:24.55 | jcbjoe | why not just do a netinstall and once installd then aptitude or apt-get install xfc |
| 02:25.18 | jcbjoe | i do net installs al the time / i have no cdrom on this ultrabook |
| 02:25.48 | somiaj | module000: yea it is a missleading term. Note it only contains a base system but it is fully functional. I just prefer to get a base system and start there as opposed to downloading stuff during the install |
| 02:25.50 | themill | jcbjoe: because he's struggling to get the network working on that machine for some reason |
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| 02:26.42 | somiaj | jcbjoe: it includes most packages of priority standard or higher. Though I think it misses a few of the standard packages in the netinstall base system. |
| 02:26.43 | themill | (also, presence or absence of a cdrom is rather irrelevant) |
| 02:26.46 | somiaj | module000: ^^ |
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| 02:28.26 | module000 | somiaj: thanks for the info, i had no idea. makes that usb key in my bag much more useful than I knew it was previously :) |
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| 02:30.28 | riceAndBeans | can the base system come with a DE like xfce? or is the base system without a GUI? |
| 02:31.12 | dvs | riceAndBeans: the base system does not come with a DE but that can always be installed later. |
| 02:32.19 | riceAndBeans | i have neverotten debian working. I am new to linux. I have never installed x, a window manager or DE. I'm not even sure how to get the link to the deb file for my firmware on this windows machine. do i have to download it on linux? should i just install the base system from the net installer? or should I use the full iso? any difference? |
| 02:32.25 | riceAndBeans | never gotten& |
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| 02:32.30 | riceAndBeans | * |
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| 02:33.32 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: You should grab a full cd and at least have a system with a gui like you expect. I wish I could get the netinstall image to work for ya. |
| 02:33.34 | riceAndBeans | how can I get the deb file for http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek ? i'm on a win machine. should I get on a linux machine? |
| 02:33.48 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: there are links on the page to download it, click on the 'all' arch |
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| 02:35.03 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: ok THANK you sooo much. and could you link me to the xfce iso? it's gonna install extra stuff right? since it's not the net install? |
| 02:35.31 | somiaj | yes |
| 02:35.46 | dvs | ... |
| 02:35.58 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: you've been a life saver! all of you thanks soo much! |
| 02:36.52 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: do you want to download a full dvd (if your usb drive is big enough you can put the whole thing on it and have tons of packages) or just a cd sized iso? |
| 02:37.17 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: what's the difference? more bloatware? |
| 02:37.22 | riceAndBeans | dvd vs cd? |
| 02:37.38 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: tons of packages? |
| 02:37.41 | riceAndBeans | like what |
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| 02:37.46 | somiaj | you will still only install the packages you want, it just means more packages available to you off line |
| 02:37.49 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: how big is it? |
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| 02:38.01 | riceAndBeans | ohhh. how big? somiaj |
| 02:38.10 | riceAndBeans | i have 2GB, but maybe I could get a dvd |
| 02:38.20 | Mk558 | Hey guys, quick question...in and out before the day's over. Is 232Mbps typical for Gigabit ethernet over 7200/5400RPM drives? |
| 02:38.22 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 02:38.35 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: just down load the xfce .iso, that should be enough for you |
| 02:38.36 | Mk558 | I clocked 676Mbps down and 729Mbps up between two RAM disks. |
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| 02:39.54 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: ok :) , so when I'm online I could install the packages that are on the dvd iso, right? how bug is dvd iso? |
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| 02:40.30 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: the first dvd is 3.7G bigger than your usb. Yes once you get your network running you can install any debian package from the internet via apt |
| 02:41.55 | module000 | Mk558: that's pretty typical speed for 1gbps link, your switch most likely is causing a bit of that overhead |
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| 02:42.04 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: i'm a linux noob, last time i looked at debian package manager there were no pictures and I had no idea really what stuff was lol, what I could be missing. i'm thinking the dvd iso might make me realize packages I might want. or is that silly? |
| 02:42.06 | Mk558 | I'm using a cross-over cable |
| 02:42.20 | Mk558 | I don't have a gigabit router, would like one though |
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| 02:42.38 | Mk558 | gigabit 1000base-t and 5GHz WiFi |
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| 02:42.52 | dvs | riceAndBeans: The DVD ISO won't fit on your 2GB USB drive |
| 02:42.58 | module000 | Mk558: what did you benchmark it with? without a switch introducing overhead you should be slightly higher |
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| 02:43.09 | riceAndBeans | dvs: yes but i might be able to get an 8 gb one |
| 02:43.12 | Mk558 | known filesize (940MiB) and a stopwatch |
| 02:43.51 | module000 | Mk558: i mean how are you transfering the file? using iperf/netcat or something else like ftp? |
| 02:43.58 | Mk558 | I'd love to benchmark it with a fast (like Intel 510/20 series) SSD |
| 02:44.07 | Mk558 | AFP using Netatalk |
| 02:44.20 | Mk558 | Ubuntu 10.04LTS and OS X 10.5.8 |
| 02:44.29 | module000 | Mk558: AFP will have some overhead, if you just want to see the raw throughput of UDP or TCP over that link, try using iperf |
| 02:44.32 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: grab cd1, it fits on your usb. Install it. Get your network working. You can learn how to search the package system to find things you want. |
| 02:45.03 | Mk558 | I tried Windows XP (I don't have W7, don't worry I don't use XP online) and got 282Mbps down and 172Mbps up |
| 02:45.06 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: will do. and there's a command to install my .deb firmware right |
| 02:45.21 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: that xfce cd1 should put you in a graphical enviorment so you dont feel complete lost only in a text console. |
| 02:45.33 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: did you download it somewhere on your windows partition? |
| 02:45.46 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: if so you will just have to access it and then run 'dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:45.51 | riceAndBeans | yes, and I will put it on external media too |
| 02:46.08 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: like this dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:46.12 | riceAndBeans | or with the ' |
| 02:46.14 | riceAndBeans | ? |
| 02:46.28 | module000 | Mk558: when you use AFP or SMB in the case of window - you are getting the overhead of the protocol, on top of the overhead of TCP. using nc or iperf will take all but the UDP or TCP overhead out of the equation. but since real usage usually IS smb/afp/some-other-protocol, your test is probably accurate |
| 02:46.39 | Mk558 | okay |
| 02:46.42 | Mk558 | thankies |
| 02:47.16 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: dvs thanks you guys sooooo much. you've been the biggest help. I'm so grateful and happy :) . It's guys like you and your efforts that make the world a better -place :) |
| 02:47.18 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: without the quote, I hit enter on accident while trying to hit the end quote. |
| 02:47.42 | riceAndBeans | thank you :) |
| 02:47.53 | Mk558 | Another question: Is there an "alternative desktop environment" like xfce or lxde that looks pretty much similar to GNOME 2? |
| 02:48.26 | somiaj | Mk558: yes but not in debian |
| 02:48.32 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: and the base system comes with dpkg installed, right? so i can just run that command out the get go and get connected? shoud I try btrfs? or just ext 4? |
| 02:48.32 | Mk558 | I'd love to run 12.04LTS or 7.0 wheezy but I like the old look |
| 02:48.42 | somiaj | Mk558: and I belive making it work in debian is fairly difficult. You may want to look at some window managers |
| 02:49.06 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: yes. a base system contains all core tools to manage packages (: |
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| 02:49.13 | somiaj | Mk558: but you can look at mate. |
| 02:49.14 | Mk558 | Any particular suggestions? Fedora? |
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| 02:49.43 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: btrfs or ext4? |
| 02:49.56 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: I'd use ext4 unless you really have an opinion |
| 02:50.02 | riceAndBeans | :p |
| 02:50.11 | riceAndBeans | ok, but should i? somiaj |
| 02:50.32 | somiaj | ext4 is the core linux file system. btrfs support is still kinda new and I belive you'd want a newer kernel with it |
| 02:50.58 | riceAndBeans | ookie |
| 02:51.01 | riceAndBeans | :) |
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| 02:51.16 | riceAndBeans | thanks again, so much, I REALLY appreciate it. you're the man somiaj |
| 02:52.08 | Mk558 | BTW this is a Debian crowd but I heard rumors that the Ubuntu crowd says Debian is for more technically inclined folk and Ubuntu is "made easier for everyone else". Now I have extremely briefly messed with Debian but I don't see how the Ubuntu argument makes sense? |
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| 02:54.17 | somiaj | Mk558: there are still some snags in the debian install that gets some people such as riceAndBeans. I think debian systems are a lot more stable and once you get use to some basics is easy to matain (provided you don't need the newest versions of software) |
| 02:55.01 | somiaj | Mk558: but my experience when some of my friends used ubuntu is their regular (6moth or so) cycle owuld break on the upgrades a lot |
| 02:55.01 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: can you install anything on debian that you can on ubuntu or other linuxes? |
| 02:55.08 | Mk558 | I was told the Debian distros tend to get "the next version" sooner than the Ubuntu |
| 02:55.44 | Mk558 | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 02:56.08 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: debian packages thousands of software for you to install. This overlaps a lot of the other distros, but there are differences |
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| 02:56.49 | Mk558 | I like the ability to download the whole repository via DVDs in Debian...anybody ever do that? |
| 02:56.59 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: you never want to install a ubuntu package on debian. You want to use packages built only for debian wheezy. This sometimes means older versions of software and there are things that aren't packaged for debian. |
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| 02:57.17 | dvs | Mk558: I use apt-mirror |
| 02:58.42 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: but can you manually install all the new stuff? |
| 02:59.02 | Mk558 | you can always install from source, if it is compatible |
| 02:59.25 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: though once you get familar with debian, you can compile your own packages, and really do what you want with it. |
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| 03:00.01 | somiaj | riceAndBeans: note it is not always easy to manually install new stuff. And you should be careful to not break your system when doing it. |
| 03:00.06 | Mk558 | installing from source can either be extremely painless (tar -zxf *******.tar.gz; cd to the directory; sudo make; sudo make install) or a Registered Art Form. |
| 03:00.31 | somiaj | correct, sometimes it just works. but when it doesn't you have to trace down why |
| 03:00.43 | dvs | and if you want to remove it... |
| 03:00.45 | somiaj | Mk558: stow is nice if you like to do lots of source install.s |
| 03:00.55 | somiaj | dvs: that is what stow is fore |
| 03:01.14 | Mk558 | want to make a dyed-in-the-wool Linux guy go beserk? Give him some old distro, nothing but man pages and source code of modern applications and watch. |
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| 03:02.22 | Mk558 | It is a bit sad because Linux is quite a nice OS, on the core. |
| 03:04.35 | eb0t | linux isnt an OS |
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| 03:05.52 | Mk558 | well...technically, yeah, it's a kernel |
| 03:06.26 | eb0t | yes that uses gnu utilities to make it into an os |
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| 03:09.46 | riceAndBeans | somiaj: tthanks again :) means so much :) !!!!!!! |
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| 03:09.48 | riceAndBeans | peace |
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| 03:57.45 | user__ | does someone know a possibility to get the position of a file on a raw blockdevice? i accidentally overrode the first bytes of an important video file and want to try rescuing it with dd. |
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| 03:59.03 | user__ | ps: the file resides on a fat fs |
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| 04:34.15 | somiaj | bullgard4: apt-cache search smbios returend some things |
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| 04:38.24 | Spyro | quick dpkg question: How do I force purge a package? I'm getting this: |
| 04:38.39 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Excellent! - Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 04:39.01 | Spyro | http://privatepaste.com/ff7f6e16b1 |
| 04:39.08 | Spyro | I'm running on gentoo, so dpkg is just a standby |
| 04:39.37 | somiaj | Spyro: so you are running dpkg on a gentoo box? |
| 04:39.48 | Spyro | yeah |
| 04:40.09 | Spyro | crazy, yes, but for some packages that can't be installed through portage |
| 04:40.12 | somiaj | Spyro: anyways you can try to fix the dropbox post-remove script or put an exit 0; at top of it to force it to exit nicely (but not do anything) |
| 04:40.18 | Spyro | where is the post remove script stored at? |
| 04:40.30 | somiaj | Spyro: but we only support debian here not gentoo. Who knows if they do things similar |
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| 04:40.36 | somiaj | Spyro: /var/lib/dpkg usually |
| 04:40.39 | Spyro | thanks |
| 04:40.49 | Spyro | and I understand, but I'm asking specifically about dpkg's behavior |
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| 04:42.00 | Spyro | thanks that fixed it |
| 04:42.16 | somiaj | note what ever that postrm script was supose to do was not done, there could be artificats left |
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| 04:43.57 | ket_ | hi i used the dvd image to install debian. i copied it to usb disk (with dd) and installed from there. after installation, how do i mount the usb (the dvd) in order to install additional packages? |
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| 04:45.27 | ket_ | i mean, i know i can mount the usb on any local dir/ but how to i fix sources.list so that apt-get will find it |
| 04:45.42 | bullgard4 | ket_: Provide an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:45.42 | somiaj | ket_: I belive you can mount the partition like any sub drive. If you use apt-cdrom and set up your fstab correctly to use it |
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| 04:46.09 | somiaj | ket_: yea let fstab know where the mount point is, and the apt-cdrom can scan it and set up the sources for you. |
| 04:47.33 | ket_ | hmm didn't know about apt-cdrom... is it a quick one liner or should i dive into the apt-cdrom manpage? |
| 04:48.23 | ket_ | i plan to do something like: mount /dev/sdb /media/cdrom |
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| 04:50.35 | ket_ | then maybe add to sources.list: deb file:///media/cdrom/ wheezy main contrib |
| 04:51.05 | ket_ | now what do i do with apt-cdrom? |
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| 04:56.09 | somiaj | ket_: I'd have to look at the man page to tell it the location of the cdrom |
| 04:56.18 | somiaj | ket_: but it is fiarly straight forward |
| 04:56.27 | bullgard4 | Why have the developers or maintainers of task-gnome-desktop decided to include a dependency on tracker in wheezy? In the past tracker was a nuisance to me: Loading the computer unduely and working unreliably. |
| 04:56.57 | somiaj | ket_: apt-cdrom -d=/media/cdrom add |
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| 05:21.17 | redder | Hi, I want to create a bootable usb drive to install Debian to my netbook, what format do I need to have the usb stick in before I burn the iso? fat16? fat32? something else? |
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| 05:22.33 | gb | redder: what are you creating the stick from? |
| 05:22.52 | redder | unetbootin |
| 05:24.11 | gb | there are many howto's for using unetbotin online |
| 05:24.48 | redder | is that what determines what kind of format i need to correctly burn the iso? |
| 05:24.56 | gb | really depends on the size of your stick and how you wish to use it though |
| 05:25.10 | redder | so it makes no difference? |
| 05:26.15 | gb | it makes a big difference on what you intend to do |
| 05:26.30 | redder | I plan on burning the debian-live-7-amd64-xfce-desktop iso found here |
| 05:26.31 | redder | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 05:26.42 | gb | if you want to use it on microsoft as well you will need to use vfat or similar |
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| 05:27.06 | redder | I plan on burning it to a 4Gb usb stick, and then loading the OS to the netbook |
| 05:27.24 | gb | most tools unetbootin too i think expect vfat and format it as that too |
| 05:28.21 | gb | but if you are creating it on ms you are a bit constrained |
| 05:28.48 | gb | i'd say stick with vfat on a 4gig stick |
| 05:29.28 | gb | if it was larger and you desired to make an install which retained settings there are a few other options |
| 05:29.46 | redder | im creating the iso on a comp running Fedora OS |
| 05:31.22 | gb | i'd say keep it simple and vfat anyhow |
| 05:31.28 | themill | redder: btw unetbootin is not a good tool to make bootable usb sticks. It screws around with an already bootable image trying to make it bootable and does a great job of screwing it up so that the installer ends up failing in many different ways |
| 05:31.29 | gb | 4gig is just too small |
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| 05:32.15 | gb | there are lots of tools out there which take care of all the questions you have |
| 05:32.15 | redder | but the iso is only 900Mb+/-, why is 4G too small? |
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| 05:33.09 | qman___ | the debian ISOs are hybrids, meaning you do not need a tool such as unetbootin |
| 05:33.16 | qman___ | just dd the iso directly to the flash drive |
| 05:33.16 | gb | hmm ok most of the iso's i used were 3.5gig and on a 4gig stick theres nothing left |
| 05:33.34 | qman___ | no additional formatting is necessary |
| 05:33.38 | redder | how do i dd an iso? |
| 05:33.53 | gb | man dd |
| 05:34.00 | qman___ | dd if=/path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/sdx |
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| 05:34.03 | qman___ | where sdx is your flash drive |
| 05:34.18 | redder | ok |
| 05:34.21 | redder | thx |
| 05:34.29 | gb | again many howto's, any search engine will guide you through it spoon full at a time |
| 05:35.24 | redder | yeah, i was just confused on the proper format for the usb stick, so many options |
| 05:35.32 | themill | You can even just use cp to copy it to the device rather than dd. |
| 05:35.59 | themill | redder: the format of the stick is irrelevant -- copying the image onto the stick destroys everything including the filesystem that is already there |
| 05:36.02 | gb | umm from what i read you should dd to a bs thats compatible with the flash |
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| 05:36.47 | qman___ | the block size is just a performance optimization |
| 05:36.57 | qman___ | by default dd will attempt to detect a sane block size and use it |
| 05:36.57 | gb | dd is a bit limiting if you want a persistant image too |
| 05:37.26 | themill | gb: you can rework the image after it's been dd'd to the stick |
| 05:37.32 | gb | and given the iso planned for use is tiny it's probably not a bad idea to use it with one |
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| 05:38.41 | redder | ok, i will try it out, thx |
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| 05:40.01 | gb | some of the howto's i found also spoonfeed you through partitioning so you can use it in other devices as well |
| 05:40.24 | redder | pls paste |
| 05:40.27 | redder | url |
| 05:40.36 | gb | but it's a pretty vague issue with many options |
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| 05:41.11 | gb | i just put usb stick debian in any search engine |
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| 05:41.51 | gb | i have not made a stick for a few months and do not bother bookmarking such pages |
| 05:42.45 | redder | ok, thx |
| 05:42.54 | gb | the debian website itself is a very good place to start though |
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| 05:54.53 | yudi_ | what is the best way to start contributing to opensource projects (written in C), I want to keep improving my C language skills |
| 05:56.11 | gb | probably just contact sumone in any of the projects on sourceforge, might even have a channel on freenode for it |
| 05:56.13 | themill | finding bugs that annoy you and trying to fix them |
| 05:56.38 | gb | zillions of projects |
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| 05:57.44 | gb | or just pick a package that seems interesting and start hacking is another possability |
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| 06:01.16 | hipocritos | hi, how do i convert the .dvi file generated by latex to .pdf? |
| 06:01.36 | gb | why would you want too |
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| 06:01.56 | gb | pdf is awful |
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| 06:02.22 | yudi_ | gb: I dont have any preference as such, probably will only work on GPL code; I just want to work on something challenging so I can build on what I learnt at University |
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| 06:04.08 | hipocritos | maybe pdf is awful,but is still generaluse... i can't find dvipdf packge in wheezy |
| 06:04.41 | hipocritos | what package should i install? |
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| 06:06.30 | themill | hipocritos: you're probably better off using pdflatex or xelatex right from the beginning rather than going via dvi |
| 06:07.01 | themill | gb: pdf is much better than dvi or postscript which are the other alternatives you have if you want to be doing decent typesetting |
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| 06:07.51 | themill | hipocritos: there's a dvipdf in the ghostscript package but be warned that the results from that conversion will be worse than using pdflatex or xelatex directly |
| 06:08.10 | gb | i find post script at least converts sanely to text somtimes unlike pdf which fails or needs me to ocr it instead for sanity |
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| 06:09.28 | gb | i believe there are postscript tools in the archives to convert into text/pdf and others though, not sure about dvi |
| 06:10.06 | themill | gb: it's trivial enough to generate ps or pdf files that behave nicely or behave terribly in that regard |
| 06:11.19 | gb | purifyeps - creates EPS files usable in TeX and pdfTeX |
| 06:11.58 | gb | just from a apt-cache search of dvi grepping pdf |
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| 06:12.50 | hipocritos | thx :o |
| 06:12.59 | themill | egads... I wouldn't go near that thing |
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| 06:14.46 | gb | i have to wonder if it is so easy to produce eith sane output or crap why people continually choose to output pdf that is crap :) |
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| 06:17.08 | gb | that was not the package i expected to find either but could not recall the meta package with the generic tools in it |
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| 06:18.08 | gb | but if you are intending your output to be in a certain format it is probably better to start in that format |
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| 06:19.02 | themill | yeah, going via postscript is normally the culprit for poor quality PDFs (either poorly structured text or poor visual quality) |
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| 06:20.20 | s5s | Hi, I've just installed debian stable (7.1) and I can't seem to find my ATI dedicated VGA. lspci doesn't show the adapter |
| 06:20.25 | gb | maybe the person who wants to learn more c could write a better reencoding tool :) |
| 06:21.18 | gb | might need to insmod/modprobe a module for your adapter to be found |
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| 06:27.27 | s5s | gb: well, lspci should find everything. A module is needed for it to operate properly but to be found... |
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| 06:38.08 | jajau | hi |
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| 06:44.33 | hipocritos | i can't describe it clearly but how do i run a gui program (like evince)with command line and not to close that program if i want to go back to my terminal to do other thing? |
| 06:46.36 | themill | hipocritos: evince foo.pdf & |
| 06:46.55 | rryoumaa | hipocritos: also consider nohup and disown |
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| 06:47.34 | themill | you might find that tools like evince spew copious amounts of crap to stderr when you run them though which is a right PITA |
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| 06:49.02 | hipocritos | thx :) that exactly what i want !! |
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| 08:06.33 | CableNinja | seriously Bradford, you even fucking registered my nick with a - |
| 08:06.35 | CableNinja | what the fuck |
| 08:06.48 | CableNinja | what is your malfunction |
| 08:06.54 | themill | CableNinja: wrong channel? |
| 08:06.56 | CableNinja | no |
| 08:06.59 | CableNinja | this is the right channel |
| 08:07.05 | CableNinja | Bradford == CableNinja- |
| 08:07.12 | CableNinja | oh it is the rong one |
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| 08:31.15 | kervan | Hello, I was trying to install sqlite3, but now there is some dependency problem, aptitude wants to remove libqt* libx* and libcurl* etc... Must I remove them? Here is the list what aptitude wants to do : http://pastebin.com/UGw68jWn |
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| 08:32.40 | ChrisH | kervan: it would make more sense if you show all lines starting with the command executed |
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| 08:34.56 | Iridos | it is generally not considered such a splendid idea to remove libc6 ... and yes... you're lacking the interesting information there... if you're about it, you could pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 08:35.40 | kervan | ChrisH: Let me tell you what I have done : I have downloaded Rescuetime (https://www.rescuetime.com/setup/installer?os=amd64deb) and tried to install #dpkg -i rescuetime.deb but it has a dependency on sqlite3, then I wanted to install sqlite3 #aptitude install sqlite3 . |
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| 08:37.43 | kervan | The second solution from aptitude is here : http://pastebin.com/hajq49wK |
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| 08:39.35 | ChrisH | kervan: 1. This is still not what we asked for. 2. This is not Debian: libqt4-sql-sqlite [4:4.7.4-0ubuntu8.3 (oneiric-security, oneiric-updates |
| 08:39.38 | ChrisH | !ubuntu |
| 08:39.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 08:40.58 | kervan | It is not Ubuntu, it is Mint. Ok, I will ask in #mint. Thanks ChrisH |
| 08:41.18 | joj | kervan: try removing the incompletely installed package with dpkg --remove rescuetime , then run apt-get install -f -s (should do nothing) |
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| 08:42.14 | joj | kervan: you can /query me if you want, I don't think this problem is #mint specific |
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| 08:43.21 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone has used ISPConfig 3? I'm trying to create a subdomanin but not works. I readed some tutos |
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| 08:50.28 | abailarri | solved |
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| 09:03.55 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats the right way to use googles DNS in debian wheezy? right click on the wlan symbol and edit the wireless connection? or edit /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 09:07.58 | themill | dpkg: tell no_gravity about override dns |
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| 09:08.33 | themill | no_gravity: I'd probably look at doing it from the dhcp server; you could also do it using resolvconf's "head" file or from network-manager/wicd. It doesn't really matter much. |
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| 09:08.48 | bezaban | no_gravity: the 'right' way imo is to edit /etc/resolv.conf, which is probably what the tool your are using to manage wireless connections does. It will however probably be overwritten by networkmanager (or whatever graphical thing you are doing) so for persistant changes you'd want to use the wlan icon |
| 09:09.30 | themill | the right way is certainly not fighting against the other tools you are using to configure your networking. |
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| 09:11.19 | no_gravity | Im in an apartment in Berlin I rented for a couple of days and the internet here behaves somewhat strange. I cannot really put the finger on why. Browsing is kind of slow. But ssh connections work just fine and feel snappy (working in vim over ssh). Also dig resolves ips immediately. So maybe the dns is *not* the problem. But what could it be? |
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| 09:11.57 | usr13 | no_gravity: Check your nameserver |
| 09:12.08 | bezaban | for testing editing resolv.conf should be fine, but as themill points out, the best way in a networking perspective is to have you dhcp server hand out the DNS servers you want |
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| 09:12.21 | usr13 | no_gravity: ... just try a different one ... |
| 09:12.21 | jxport | If I ran a script which looped (or forked.. or whatever) & caused the system to crash - where might I find evidence of this in logs? |
| 09:12.51 | usr13 | no_gravity: Yea, edit the wireless connection |
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| 09:13.49 | usr13 | no_gravity: (If you dont edit the network-manager's settings, it'll probably clobber /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:13.51 | no_gravity | usr13: but dig returns ips fast. can it still be the dns? |
| 09:13.56 | Iridos | jxport, /var/log/messages but it will probably only show the reboot, not the last seconds/minutes before a crash... for that you have to watch live on a console (e.g. the one in /msg dpkg netconsole ) |
| 09:14.07 | usr13 | no_gravity: What do you see in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 09:14.16 | no_gravity | usr13: the local routers ip. |
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| 09:14.39 | usr13 | no_gravity: router(s+? |
| 09:15.16 | usr13 | no_gravity: If the nameserver you are using is not doing well, try another, (simple as that). |
| 09:15.28 | no_gravity | usr13: the ip of the local router |
| 09:16.05 | no_gravity | usr13: as i said several times now, "dig somehost" is QUICK, so the problem is probably not the nameserver, right? |
| 09:16.09 | usr13 | no_gravity: Only one nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf Right? |
| 09:16.14 | no_gravity | usr13: yes |
| 09:16.21 | no_gravity | whats a good nameserver? 8.8.8.8 |
| 09:16.23 | no_gravity | ? |
| 09:16.32 | usr13 | no_gravity: host av.com |
| 09:16.47 | usr13 | no_gravity: Try it and see |
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| 09:17.35 | usr13 | no_gravity: But if you think the connection is just slow, do a speed test. There are many sites that offer speed tests online. |
| 09:17.54 | no_gravity | usr13: yeah i know. i dont think the connection is slow. but let me try... |
| 09:18.20 | Iridos | it's just that NSA web proxy the have configured for all routers in Berlin... never you mind |
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| 09:19.13 | Iridos | anyway, dig requests would probably be fast if they are cached [wherever] and slow if they are not |
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| 09:20.30 | no_gravity | usr13: the internet is *fast* 8000KBit/s down, 286KBit up. |
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| 09:43.43 | Ironhand | hello, could someone tell me what the easiest way is to do a fully offline Debian Wheezy install with all standard packages available, if I'm not restricted to physical media (VM installation)? like, is there a way to download or (easily) generate a single .iso that has all packages? I notice even the blu-ray version of Wheezy is 2 discs... |
| 09:44.11 | Ironhand | I want to avoid having to virtually "swap discs" if something isn't on the first one |
| 09:45.14 | bhuddah | Ironhand: can you plan beforehand which packages you will need? |
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| 09:45.56 | Ironhand | bhuddah: no not really (unless I can just input the full list of existing packages) |
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| 09:46.27 | bhuddah | Ironhand: i just try to think of a usage scenario for that. what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:47.24 | Ironhand | bhuddah: I want to run a fully-offline Debian system in such a way that I can be sure any package I might want to install in the future is available without any extra fuss |
| 09:47.46 | Ironhand | (yes, I realize this is part lazyness - I could just use a set of BD or DVD images) |
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| 09:49.18 | bhuddah | every planning that uses "might" scenarios is usually bound to fail |
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| 09:49.49 | bhuddah | Ironhand: and if it doesn't fit on a BD anymore how are you going to store that iso? |
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| 09:50.30 | Ironhand | bhuddah: on the HDD... as I said, there's no actual physical media involved so an iso larger than the largest optical disc is fine |
| 09:51.31 | bhuddah | Ironhand: so you can just store the different iso images available with their respective sources.list entries and that will work like a jukebox. |
| 09:51.47 | bhuddah | no need for a single image. |
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| 09:52.44 | Ironhand | except that the images are stored on a physical machine and Debian will run inside a (relatively) small VM |
| 09:53.02 | Ironhand | though I could just create one virtual drive per iso image |
| 09:53.09 | bhuddah | yep. |
| 09:53.11 | Ironhand | was just hoping I wouldn't have to :-) |
| 09:53.22 | bhuddah | and why not put the images inside the vm? |
| 09:53.46 | bhuddah | and why is the machine offline when there is an hypervisor around it? |
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| 09:54.12 | Ironhand | the hypervisor system is equally offline |
| 09:54.45 | Ironhand | why not inside the VM - because it's going to be set up with limited disk space |
| 09:54.58 | Ironhand | though you have just given me an idea, I could create a read-only filesystem that has all the .iso's |
| 09:55.06 | Ironhand | and export that to each VM |
| 09:55.24 | bhuddah | yep. or set up an nfs-server in one vm and export that to all others. |
| 09:55.42 | bhuddah | so it's offline but not without networking. |
| 09:56.28 | Ironhand | *nods* that's another good option... though I'll probably use the read-only volume solution as that removes the need for networking entirely |
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| 09:56.41 | Ironhand | thanks for the input, got something to work with now :-) |
| 09:56.52 | bhuddah | Ironhand: good luck |
| 09:56.57 | Ironhand | ty |
| 09:57.01 | CissWit | Ironhand: i'd just create a local debian repository https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 09:58.49 | Ironhand | CissWit: I considered that as well... downside is I'd still need an iso to easily start the VM installer (I know about debootstrap but found it to be somewhat of a pain to get a fully bootable VM set up that way) |
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| 09:59.46 | bhuddah | Ironhand: have you looked at fai? |
| 09:59.52 | Schrostfutz | hi, i was just wondering where i can search for debian squeeze packages |
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| 10:00.56 | khurram | hello |
| 10:01.10 | Ironhand | bhuddah: I know about it but haven't looked further into it, I'll have a better look at it now though |
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| 10:01.58 | CissWit | Ironhand: yes, but you only need a regular iso, not an iso including all the packages and hard to maintain. If you were to want to upgrade some packages you'd just need to plug the server and upgrade the repo with regular tools |
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| 10:03.12 | musca | Ironhand: you can assign more than one virtual optical drive to a virtual machine |
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| 10:06.13 | Ironhand | CissWit: that's true... I've looked at running my own repo in the past for unrelated reasons but found it difficult to determine the right approach for me based on the info on the page (there seem to be 15+ different approaches) |
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| 10:07.09 | Ironhand | musca: yup, but as I said I'd rather avoid that to keep the VM config (relatively) simple... though I realize that's more a matter of compulsive neatness than actual technical reasons |
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| 10:11.50 | babilen | Ironhand: You might want to discuss the creation of that one "master" image in #debian-cd on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org), but I *really* don't see the reason. In fact I think that you make the process more complicated and error prone due to introducing steps that are specific to your setup while you can use official images. |
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| 10:13.34 | Ironhand | babilen: agreed, I'm not looking for a solution that is so custom that it becomes fragile - was mainly looking for either a still-somewhat-standard solution (such as an alternative .jigdo file somewhere) or suggestions for a better approach |
| 10:14.31 | Ironhand | as I've had some useful responses for the latter, I'm good for now :-) |
| 10:15.05 | babilen | Ironhand: I've never had the need for it, but I wouldn't be very surprised if it is possible. I just think that you are doing work for something that doesn't actually provide a real benefit, but comes with the danger of failure in your (even if trivial) modified setup. |
| 10:16.29 | Ironhand | one thing I did wonder about though, the full DVD set for amd64 amounts to about 15 GB, while the BD version still needs multiple discs... shouldn't it all fit on a single BD? |
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| 10:16.39 | Ironhand | (not relevant to the above, just curious) |
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| 10:17.35 | kchehab | hi |
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| 10:17.49 | kchehab | how can i print my root shell password since i dont want to change it |
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| 10:18.05 | xand | kchehab: print it? |
| 10:18.13 | Ironhand | you can't, it's hashed one-way |
| 10:18.28 | Ironhand | though if it's weak you could brute-force it :-P |
| 10:18.31 | kchehab | xand retrieve it i mean |
| 10:18.42 | xand | kchehab: if you don't know it, you can only bruteforce (guess) it |
| 10:18.50 | xand | and that could take longer than the age of the universe |
| 10:18.53 | xand | (literally) |
| 10:19.20 | kchehab | xand but i have a friend did that before |
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| 10:19.35 | kchehab | xand using a C# language |
| 10:19.47 | valeriy | Ironhand: are you from netherland? |
| 10:19.56 | jiohdi | in debian YOU set the root password |
| 10:20.02 | xand | kchehab: did what? |
| 10:20.04 | Ironhand | valeriy: yes I am, why? |
| 10:20.07 | maxyz | kchehab: It's easy to do a dictionary attack |
| 10:20.14 | valeriy | Ironhand: nah, nothing |
| 10:20.20 | xand | kchehab: it's mathematically impossible to reverse the hashed password - you can only bruteforce it. |
| 10:20.34 | jiohdi | but you dont need it, you can just add yourself to sudo and use your own password |
| 10:20.38 | kchehab | maxyz please can you send me a link to read it |
| 10:20.39 | Ironhand | valeriy: ok... you're making me curious now lol |
| 10:20.47 | valeriy | xand: it's possible, just computationally hard |
| 10:20.50 | kchehab | on how i cant do this dictionary attack |
| 10:20.51 | jiohdi | scratch that, you need root to do that :) |
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| 10:21.14 | maxyz | kchehab: Check the john package. |
| 10:21.17 | kchehab | i am a root and already logged in |
| 10:21.36 | jiohdi | how did you become root without the password? |
| 10:21.50 | maxyz | kchehab: But if you need root in your computer the easiest was is to use the init kernel boot param |
| 10:22.01 | Ironhand | he must have forgotten it after logging in :-P |
| 10:22.19 | valeriy | maybe he put an autologin |
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| 10:22.23 | khurram | how to download a debian image for VMBox ? |
| 10:22.26 | kchehab | jiohdi no not like that ,my credentials are already sorted in putty (ssh shell client) and i can login using it |
| 10:22.45 | kchehab | but i dont know the password since i set it from a long time ago |
| 10:22.46 | jiohdi | if I am not mistaken there is a bash command to change the root password |
| 10:22.52 | maxyz | kchehab: Ok, then use passwd. |
| 10:22.57 | jiohdi | yes |
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| 10:23.01 | khurram | can some one please help i want to download the debian image without GUI to run in VMbox , im using windows7 os |
| 10:23.02 | kchehab | i dont want to change the password |
| 10:23.14 | kchehab | because that i am asking you guys |
| 10:23.50 | kchehab | can you guide me for a brutforce software and i will put inside it dictionary my old passwords |
| 10:24.36 | maxyz | kchehab: Check the john package, it does that, I haven't use it in a while, so I'll have to relearn how it's used. |
| 10:26.38 | acsir | kchehab: I think as well that john is the only way. But considere that, to bruteforce a 6 letter passoword without dictionary on a CPU coreDUO took me almost a week |
| 10:26.39 | khurram | hello |
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| 10:27.30 | maxyz | Also, if you have a list of possible password, something in the lines of for p in p1 p2 p3; do echo $p; su <<<$p; done might do it. |
| 10:27.35 | kchehab | acsir ok thanks |
| 10:28.08 | kchehab | one more thing what about linux memory buffer some times its reaching 98% from memory ,can this lead fot a system crash |
| 10:28.18 | maxyz | (you'll need to make su read from stdin instead of /dev/tty, but it should be doable. |
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| 10:28.41 | julius_ | hi |
| 10:28.48 | kchehab | as i know how to flush it ,but flushing it ,does it effects on the running softwares as opensips (voip server ) |
| 10:29.04 | maxyz | kchehab: not really, you need to check the amount of cached memory in use |
| 10:29.33 | maxyz | kchehab: linux tries to use as much memory as possible to avoid reading from disk. |
| 10:29.35 | julius_ | traffic shaping with the root queue on ifb0 doenst work for me, can anybody please take a look: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=107402 |
| 10:29.48 | julius_ | posting is to long for this chat |
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| 10:30.03 | kchehab | maxyz 98% total memory top (m: 49558408k total, 47001996k used, 2556412k free, 281620k buffers |
| 10:30.06 | maxyz | kchehab: But that memory is "free" to be used for other programs |
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| 10:31.10 | maxyz | kchehab: you have 2.5 GB of free mem |
| 10:32.24 | khurram | can some guru help this poor who wants to install DEBIAN on his VM box .? |
| 10:32.39 | kchehab | maxyz yes from 45GB what i warried from is ,does it make crash or if opensips ask for more memory resources would be there a free capacity from RAM |
| 10:33.05 | khurram | i guess you all mean debian is not the right choice yea? |
| 10:33.38 | kchehab | maxyz how can that be done ,since using htop will show only 2gb used |
| 10:33.38 | maxyz | kchehab: That might be that a programm you are using has requested more memory than its actually using, so the kernel has replied the malloc request but hasn't really assigned the memory. |
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| 10:34.09 | maxyz | kchehab: that's the real memory being assigned. |
| 10:34.10 | khurram | i guess you all mean debian is not the right choice yea? |
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| 10:34.24 | khurram | debhelper: ? |
| 10:34.40 | maxyz | khurram: What is the problem? |
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| 10:35.20 | maxyz | khurram: Oh, just use the regular installer. |
| 10:35.26 | khurram | maxyz: dear thanks for reply, i have downloaded the debian 280MB but it is not a vmdk or iso image , i google and do not find a vmdk or iso image of debian to run it inside VMBOX |
| 10:35.29 | khurram | im using windows7 os |
| 10:35.33 | kchehab | maxyz that's the real memory being assigned. you mean that shows in htop which is 2GB and i still have 43 GB |
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| 10:36.03 | maxyz | kchehab: 43gb of ram? |
| 10:36.22 | kchehab | free |
| 10:36.39 | khurram | maxyz: can i have a just an image so that i can run inside VM instead install on my OS |
| 10:36.42 | kchehab | 43 GB free |
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| 10:41.00 | maxyz | khurram: the i386 netinstaller: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:41.27 | maxyz | khurram: If you are going to use more than 4gb of ram in the vm you might want to use the amd64 version |
| 10:41.47 | maxyz | it's all in http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 10:42.43 | maxyz | kchehab: Oh, ok I have read an order of magnitude less |
| 10:43.39 | maxyz | kchehab: So, if your system is out of memory the kernel will kill the non active process using more memory |
| 10:46.14 | maxyz | kchehab: You can add some swap files to avoid that, but you'll need to reduce the amount of memory being used by your processes or add more ram to the machine in the long run. |
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| 10:47.27 | maxyz | (reducing the amount of processes may be a solution also, but it depends what are you doing) |
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| 11:22.37 | Nephro | Hi there. I'm trying to install debian on a pc using the netinst image. It screws up on a step called detect and mount cd-rom |
| 11:22.48 | Nephro | there is no cd rom I'm installing it from a usb stick |
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| 11:24.11 | portsucher | hey |
| 11:25.07 | portsucher | how do I find out, which port a certain program uses (in my case qarte)? |
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| 11:25.29 | bhuddah | portsucher: netstat -tulpen | grep qarte |
| 11:25.55 | bhuddah | portsucher: if it's a server you are searching for. not an established connection |
| 11:25.59 | Nephro | btw are these safe? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 11:27.15 | portsucher | bhuddah: my problem is, that the needed port is blocked and I want to make a tunnel for that port |
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| 11:27.48 | khurram | hello |
| 11:28.00 | portsucher | bhuddah: since the connection isnt established, the command doesnt help me |
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| 11:28.58 | bhuddah | portsucher: i must say i have no idea what you are trying to do. sorry. |
| 11:29.50 | portsucher | bhuddah: My Connections using Port X are blocked. I dont know X and want to use a ssh tunnel |
| 11:30.10 | ksk | Nephro: these are no official debian releases, so probably not / you/we cannot tell. do you have any reason to use them anyways? why not use the official ressources? |
| 11:30.39 | bhuddah | portsucher: yeah. but i'm not understanding which port is active and how that will fit together. |
| 11:31.00 | Nephro | ksk, new hardware not supported by the installer |
| 11:31.12 | ksk | Nephro: why do you want to install squeeze anyway? use wheezy |
| 11:31.25 | ksk | your hardware is not supported by squeeze? |
| 11:31.29 | ksk | err, wheezy i mean |
| 11:31.39 | Nephro | ksk, it's not |
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| 11:45.53 | khurram | hello |
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| 11:50.28 | blackjack | can anyone help me about CSF firewall? |
| 11:50.33 | blackjack | on debian |
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| 11:51.37 | khurram | you wish help here |
| 11:52.17 | Yukikaze | is it possible to partition as lvm stripe in the debian installer? |
| 11:52.23 | khurram | they all learning them selves this channel is non official channel of debian so expect this |
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| 11:52.51 | maxyz | khurram: ? |
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| 11:53.41 | maxyz | If you have a question just do it. |
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| 11:54.03 | khurram | maxyz: dear thanks for reply, i download the iso image but that doesn't work , i want the minimum linux OS for learning linux NO GUI , no Fancy music or video just for my learning , please help if there is any thing |
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| 11:55.32 | maxyz | Yukikaze: You can configure your lvm volumes in the installer, yes |
| 11:56.01 | Yukikaze | but can I configure it as strip and not linear maxyz |
| 11:56.08 | Yukikaze | stripe* |
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| 11:57.02 | maxyz | Mmh, not sure, but you could use the console and use the lvm commands if you want. |
| 11:57.15 | Yukikaze | hrm that is an option |
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| 11:58.14 | maxyz | blackjack: What's CSF? Oh, cpanel, no idea. |
| 11:58.33 | Speedfire | Hi, someone have an idea to give me the right direction ? I don't have any right click with my laptop installed under debian Jessie ??? |
| 11:59.22 | maxyz | khurram: You downloaded the netinstaller iso, right? How is that it didn't work? |
| 11:59.25 | etherape | Hi Guys, a question; is it possible to execute a custom command after a bash session timeout (TMOUT), i know it is possible in ZSH but i can not find if this is possible for bash |
| 11:59.51 | etherape | i would like to lock the session but not close it (with vlock) |
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| 11:59.58 | blackjack | maxyz CSF is an ip tables based firewall right? |
| 12:00.24 | khurram | maxyz: when i extracted it , it comes with an installer , i install it and it gets install , then after how to run it ? |
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| 12:01.37 | maxyz | Speedfire: What kind of input device are you using? Which desktop environment? |
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| 12:02.19 | maxyz | Speedfire: You might need to check the accessibility options. You can also check if xev receives the right click event. |
| 12:02.29 | Speedfire | I am using I3 as desktop environnement. And the machine is a Lenovo W520, with the red button and 2 hardware buttons and a touchad and also 2 hardware buttons |
| 12:03.18 | Speedfire | what is strange is when I have the mouse plugged I don't have right click but sometimes.... |
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| 12:04.50 | maxyz | etherape: Mmh, I have only used vlock in tmux |
| 12:05.13 | maxyz | blackjack: Well, yes |
| 12:06.05 | blackjack | maxyz, im running it with default setup. I still yet to know how to configure things |
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| 12:06.18 | blackjack | will the default setup be good enough? |
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| 12:07.21 | maxyz | khurram: You don't need to extract it, you boot from the iso image. Weren't you trying to install it in a virtual machine? |
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| 12:08.14 | h1nd | hey all. I have done a "mkdir /nfs2asterix && mount asterix:/exported_dir /nfs2asterix" and then I did a "ls -l /nfs2asterix" and I get no response. I also cannot interrupt/break this command with STRG+C. I tried the same from two other hosts, the same thing :( Then I did execute on host Asterix the commands "/etc/init.d/nfs-common stop && /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop". |
| 12:08.29 | h1nd | problem still exists on the clients, the ls -l command is hanging. What is going on there, how can I fix that? |
| 12:08.39 | LucidGuy | I've created a local directory with my .deb and my packages.gz, and added the entry into sources.list. All is good with that package but apt-get complains that the packages cannot be authenticated. Anyone know how I can authenticate them? |
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| 12:09.22 | h1nd | when I do execute the command "ls -l /exported_dir" on host Asterix, I have no problems and get the directory listed. Also dmesg on Asterix didnt show any problems with kernel or filesystem. |
| 12:09.25 | khurram | maxyz: yes you are right but when i extracted the downloaded thing there wasn't any .iso ? |
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| 12:10.03 | maxyz | blackjack: I don't know the csf to tell you. If you want you can do iptables -L -v; iptables -t nat -L -v and paste them in paste.debian.net So I can take a look. |
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| 12:12.27 | maxyz | h1nd: nfs2 and nfs3 require portmap (rcpbind now), that needs to be available before nfs-common |
| 12:13.00 | maxyz | khurram: The link I sent you was the iso |
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| 12:14.03 | maxyz | Speedfire: Mmh, no idea whether i3 could be capturing your right buttons, or messing with the xmodmap mouse settings. |
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| 12:14.50 | h1nd | maxyz: i shutted down NFS completely. Why does ls -l still hang on the clients? |
| 12:15.29 | maxyz | h1nd: thats the "sync" nfs expected behavior. |
| 12:15.59 | maxyz | h1nd: It's an nfs "feature". |
| 12:16.09 | h1nd | maxyz what should I do on client side?? I cannot execute anything now, the shell hangs. I cannot use STRG+C to interrupt |
| 12:17.21 | khurram | maxyz: which link ? |
| 12:17.22 | maxyz | h1nd: Mmh, you could bring the server up, check that the client connects to the server correctly and so on. |
| 12:17.43 | khurram | maxyz: http://gensho.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:18.14 | maxyz | khurram: from http://www.debian.org/distrib/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:19.11 | maxyz | h1nd: or you can force to umount the mount point, leave a for processes in zombie |
| 12:19.15 | maxyz | Or reboot |
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| 12:20.44 | h1nd | maxyz: rebooting is not an option, prod. env. |
| 12:20.52 | maxyz | h1nd: There is an intr mount option which allows you to kill a nfs request, so you could kill the ls. |
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| 12:20.58 | h1nd | maxyz: how do I force an unmount ? |
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| 12:21.49 | maxyz | h1nd: Thats not 100% safe, it might bring your system down. |
| 12:22.05 | maxyz | h1nd: but check umount -l |
| 12:22.57 | maxyz | h1nd: nfs is quite evil |
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| 12:23.52 | maxyz | LucidGuy: add [trusted=yes] after the deb |
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| 12:26.25 | LucidGuy | maxyz, in my sources.list file? |
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| 12:27.43 | LucidGuy | maxyz, I need a solution to trust this package, not a switch/option to allow it at the apt-get command |
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| 12:29.21 | maxyz | LucidGuy: Oh, then you need a signed repo, and import the repo key with apt-key |
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| 12:30.10 | maxyz | LucidGuy: Something like: https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro |
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| 12:32.27 | LucidGuy | maxyz, Thats a little overkill for what I need, just wish I can stick with my basic sources.list "deb file:/mydebs ./" and ask apt-get to trust this source |
| 12:33.23 | dmz | howdy y'all, anyone here using winbind/pam w/a domain controller & nested groups? ever since upgrading to wheezy nested groups aren't working anymore |
| 12:33.59 | maxyz | LucidGuy: Ok, that's what I replied before then, use deb [trusted=yes] file:/foo ./ |
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| 12:35.26 | LucidGuy | maxyz, thought you were refering to syntax within that apt-get command... will try |
| 12:35.59 | h1nd | maxyz: risky to bring WHICH host down? the nfs-server or the client? |
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| 12:36.35 | maxyz | h1nd: client |
| 12:38.07 | LucidGuy | maxyz, still get WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated |
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| 12:38.46 | maxyz | LucidGuy: did you run update after adding the trusted=yes ? |
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| 12:39.08 | LucidGuy | yes, ran apt-get update |
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| 12:40.37 | maxyz | Mmh, weird |
| 12:40.45 | h1nd | maxyz: which other option do I have for the client which is hanging? |
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| 12:42.54 | Speedfire | How can I create the xorg.conf in Jessie ? I have the folder but not the file :s |
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| 12:44.39 | maxyz | h1nd: make your server available. |
| 12:45.07 | maxyz | Speedfire: touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:45.30 | Speedfire | yeah But no options will be written inside of it |
| 12:45.52 | maxyz | Speedfire: There is hardly a need for the file anymore, so just add the options you need. |
| 12:46.11 | Speedfire | oki |
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| 12:49.33 | maxyz | Speedfire: (In the correct section, of course, mine is: Section "Device"\n Identifier "Intel Graphics"\n Driver "intel"\n Option "AccelMethod" "sna"\nEndSection) |
| 12:49.50 | h1nd | maxyz: ? even when my nfs-server is available, the client is hanging. That's my problem. As I said, I tried to restart rpc,portmap,nfs-kernel-server on my server |
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| 12:51.40 | maxyz | h1nd: I know, sorry that's the broken design of nfsv2 / nfsv3. Now you have some stopped processes, it's not so bad, they are not doing anything. |
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| 12:52.56 | maxyz | h1nd: As long as the processes you require are not checking those directories you'll be fine. |
| 12:53.01 | bullgard4 | What is the proper mailing list to discuss Debian user NFS issues? I did not find any listed in http://lists.debian.org/users.html. |
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| 12:54.03 | jordanm | bullgard4: for community support debian-user |
| 12:54.14 | jordanm | bullgard4: for reporting issues, use the bug tracker |
| 12:54.32 | maxyz | Make the server available (and working), check that rpcbind and statd are working and the client will continue. |
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| 12:54.58 | bullgard4 | jordanm: I'd appreciate community support. -- Tahnk you very much for your help. |
| 12:55.12 | maxyz | h1nd: Make sure they are not listening only to the lo interface also |
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| 12:56.22 | LucidGuy | maxyz, this is driving me nuts .. guessing authenticate/verification has no effect on [trusted=yes] SOOO ANNOOYING |
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| 12:56.51 | LucidGuy | Stop complaining and install anything from this source already |
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| 13:04.48 | khurram | maxyz: mate , it doesn't give me .iso file instead when i extract it gives me windows installer |
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| 13:05.12 | khurram | maxyz: i wanted an iso image i can use from VMbox to load inside VMbox instead of installing it on my machine |
| 13:05.35 | khurram | maxyz: it took hours to download and again the second time same windows installer |
| 13:05.46 | khurram | what should i do with it :( |
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| 13:05.51 | Speedfire | I am trying to create my xorg.conf file normally I can use X-configure no ? Or I have to install something specific to use it ? |
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| 13:10.11 | jordanm | Speedfire: unless you are setting it up for proprietary drivers, it hasn't been needed in years |
| 13:10.14 | h1nd | maxyz: rebooting the host which ran the nfs-server helpd. The ls -l command exited from the clients. But I still cannot understand why this happened |
| 13:10.22 | h1nd | maxyz: thanks however for your assistance |
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| 13:11.05 | Speedfire | I gonna install bumblebee but first I want to fix my right click problem... So I need an xorg first no ? |
| 13:11.30 | khurram | maxyz: many thanks it worked , sorry for the above messages, my bad |
| 13:11.43 | khurram | maxyz: thanks again :) |
| 13:12.11 | maxyz | h1nd: You are welcome, I have no idea why the nfs-server was not working, but it's part if the nfs design that clients wait forever for the server, so they don't lose data. Sadly this does you no good, when the server is gone for good. |
| 13:12.50 | khurram | what is LVM ? |
| 13:12.55 | khurram | and encrypted LVM ? |
| 13:13.49 | NeilHanlon | Logical Volume Management. And the encrypted one. |
| 13:13.51 | maxyz | khurram: Linux volumen manager, if you don't know what it is, you don't need it. :) |
| 13:14.01 | maxyz | Oh, logical, yes, sorry |
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| 13:14.12 | khurram | maxyz: thanks the other option is manual should i click on it then |
| 13:14.12 | NeilHanlon | Well, Logical Volume Manager (for linux) :P |
| 13:14.55 | maxyz | khurram: did you assigned a disk image to that virtual machine? |
| 13:15.13 | khurram | yes it is working like a charm after the whole day |
| 13:15.23 | khurram | is so happy to see linux in VM running , heheheheh |
| 13:15.31 | maxyz | khurram: That is, besides the iso image you are booting |
| 13:15.58 | khurram | no actually the key to understand is you never ever ever try to extract the .iso image |
| 13:16.36 | maxyz | Speedfire: what do you want to add to the xorg.conf? |
| 13:17.28 | Speedfire | to configure correctly the touchpad ad the hardware buttons |
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| 13:35.09 | newbsduser | Can I send snmp trap alarm messages with bash on console? |
| 13:35.32 | jordanm | newbsduser: don't cross-post |
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| 13:36.44 | newbsduser | jordanm, what is cross-post |
| 13:37.12 | jordanm | !cross-post |
| 13:37.12 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 13:42.25 | ksk | newbsduser: if there is an comanndline snmp client or something you can sent snmp messages whith you could proably script it, yes. |
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| 13:54.06 | nyuszika7h | hi, is the following message normal when using /usr/sbin/nologin as login shell? |
| 13:54.07 | nyuszika7h | nyuszika7h@naikoh ~ % sftp tester@localhost |
| 13:54.08 | nyuszika7h | tester@localhost's password: |
| 13:54.09 | nyuszika7h | Received message too long 1416128883 |
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| 13:54.15 | nyuszika7h | seriously? it's 3 lines |
| 13:55.19 | i137 | :D |
| 13:55.22 | musca | !paste |
| 13:55.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:56.43 | nyuszika7h | "more than 2 lines" is a stupid rule. every other channel I know of allows max. 3 lines |
| 13:57.00 | nyuszika7h | anyway, I got it: http://www.snailbook.com/faq/sftp-corruption.auto.html |
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| 13:58.46 | Spyro | for the record, this is not nyu's channel and those are the rules. |
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| 13:59.18 | i137 | thanks for clearing that out |
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| 13:59.33 | i137 | good to have it on record |
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| 14:01.48 | newbsduser | for sending custom snmp-trap events should i wrote own mip file? |
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| 14:09.22 | LucidGuy | maxyz, check it, even Ubuntu docs suggests it it, yet still does notwork for me. |
| 14:09.42 | LucidGuy | trusted=yes can be set to indicate that packages from this source |
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| 14:22.16 | Twinkletoes | Icinga is now at version 1.9.1, but in the repo for Squeeze, it only shows 1.7.1-6. How do I find out which base version of icinga the Squeeze package is built from? |
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| 14:23.05 | Twinkletoes | COrrection, I'm using Wheezy |
| 14:23.35 | themill | ,v icinga |
| 14:23.36 | judd | Package: icinga on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.0.2-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.0.2-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.7.1-5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.7.1-6; wheezy-backports: 1.9.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9.3-2+b1; sid: 1.9.3-2+b1 |
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| 14:25.20 | babilen | Twinkletoes: The version that is in the repo matches the upstream version it is build from. (1.7.1-6 is built from upstream's 1.7.1 and 1.9.3-2+b1 is build from upstream's 1.9.3) |
| 14:25.31 | babilen | (that should be rather obvious though_ |
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| 14:25.57 | Twinkletoes | babilen: Ok, thanks -p just checking! |
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| 14:26.17 | babilen | Twinkletoes: Do you want to install 1.9.3 on wheezy? |
| 14:26.20 | Twinkletoes | babilen: I thought it might be that it was built from 1.7.1 but had 6 extra (Security) updates applied to it form later versions |
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| 14:27.28 | babilen | The -6 are Debian releases and you can read about them in the changelog.Debian* in /usr/share/doc/$PKG - haven't checked what exactly was done for Icinga |
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| 14:35.02 | xlotlu | is there a way to build packages that coexist for amd64 / i386 using equivs? |
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| 14:35.30 | themill | xlotlu: what do you mean? |
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| 14:36.58 | xlotlu | themill: i mean, doing equivs-control on control files for different architectures, with Multi-Arch: same and Pre-Depends: multiarch-support, it generates packages that replace each other |
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| 14:38.44 | themill | xlotlu: possibly. but you'd have to be very careful with making sure any files really were identical. What are you trying to achieve here? |
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| 14:39.35 | xlotlu | themill: trying to provide a fake package for a library that isn't built for :i386 coexistance |
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| 14:40.40 | themill | xlotlu: at some stage it would be easier to just properly multi-arch the library |
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| 14:41.05 | xlotlu | themill: meaning? |
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| 14:41.46 | themill | fix up the package so that you can install both the i386 and amd64 versions together |
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| 14:51.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell xlotlu -about multiarch |
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| 14:52.21 | babilen | xlotlu: Not helpful? |
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| 14:56.46 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:56.53 | tomodachi | hello |
| 14:57.17 | johnfg | ok, I give up, althought I know i've done it before, but where is printer admin on wheezy running gnome classic. |
| 14:57.33 | johnfg | s/althought/although/ |
| 14:57.42 | themill | johnfg: http://localhost:631/ is normally easiest |
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| 15:09.07 | TuxFighter | Hi, I installed the gnome shell. Is there any good notification about new packages, which is as easy as the windows updater. Any widget for apticron maybe ? |
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| 15:10.28 | Zzeiss | TuxFighter: Unsure, but here at work the "automatic Windows updater" nearly cost a guy his fingers. |
| 15:10.49 | TuxFighter | However I need a simply widget for a family member. |
| 15:11.04 | edju | Kmail2 (ugh!) is not receiving mail from root. The settings for Local Account correctly ids /var/mail/<user> as "the file whose contents should be represented". Today, for example, the mail about ca-certificates update was not delivered to Kmail2. Any advice appreciated. |
| 15:11.13 | Zzeiss | (the Windows machine controls a CNC flatbed mill... and the blank screen made the guy think it was turned off. BOOM! reboot, spindle spun up. No harm, but we were lucky) |
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| 15:11.22 | TuxFighter | She just came from windows so it should fit into her current knowledge. |
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| 15:11.38 | johnfg | themill: Thanks! |
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| 15:13.05 | Zzeiss | You could always just create a script to launch sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade. Then clone an entry to /usr/share/applications/YourNameHere.desktop and off you go! |
| 15:13.29 | Zzeiss | Click on the new app, and it does the right thing. |
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| 15:14.58 | themill | edju: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net will have more people who use kmail2 |
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| 15:15.39 | edju | themill, Didn't know that - Thanks. |
| 15:15.50 | TuxFighter | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/31/update-indicator/ |
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| 15:16.32 | h1nd | hello there. My prompt looks like that: PS1="%(?..[$PR_CYAN%?$PR_NO_COLOR] )[$PR_USER_COLOR%n$PR_NO_COLOR@$PR_WHITE%u%m$PR_NO_COLOR:$PR_YELLOW%2c$PR_NO_COLOR]%(!.#.$) " I am facing the issue, that if I am inside a long path, it is cutted and only the last part of this path is displayed on the prompt. How can I disable this feauture? I want to see always the complete path. Any clues? |
| 15:17.07 | themill | TuxFighter: I thought there was one installed automatically.... a while ago people were complaining about it |
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| 15:22.39 | jhutchins | h1nd: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
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| 15:31.22 | h1nd | jhutchins: it's ZSH, not BASH. |
| 15:31.59 | hipocrit1s | exit |
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| 15:34.17 | jelly | h1nd: where are PR_CYAN and other color attributes defined? |
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| 15:34.35 | h1nd | jhutchins: however, I have found it under seciont "Expansion Of Prompt Sequences" with "man zshmisc" |
| 15:34.53 | h1nd | jelly: in /etc/zsh/zshrc ofcourse. |
| 15:34.58 | h1nd | thanks anyhow |
| 15:35.01 | jelly | h1nd: which distro? |
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| 15:35.21 | h1nd | jelly: Debian (of course!) :P |
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| 15:35.25 | jelly | h1nd: my wheezy zsh does not have those. |
| 15:35.33 | h1nd | jelly: I customized them |
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| 15:35.44 | h1nd | have my own shell script, its a huge one :p |
| 15:36.15 | jelly | h1nd: can you pastebin the file? Did you take care of nonprintables with %{ %} ? |
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| 15:40.53 | h1nd | jelly: already solved my issue. Instead of %2c I use %d and the path is printed correctly. Thanks |
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| 15:41.06 | jelly | alirghty |
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| 15:57.37 | kdm | Hi, during the installation perf (the package: linux-tools-3.2) there's a warning that the package could not be authenticated. My Package-sources are not modified. Is this normal or should I worry? |
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| 16:00.37 | jelly | ,v linux-tools-3.2 |
| 16:00.38 | judd | Package: linux-tools-3.2 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2.1-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2.17-1 |
| 16:01.18 | jelly | kdm: it shouldn't happen when using normal distro repositories. Do an aptitude update and try installing again. |
| 16:01.29 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:01.30 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:01.41 | jelly | kdm: if it persists, follow the above |
| 16:02.24 | kdm | jelly: ok, thanks. I'll try to do an aptitude update first |
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| 16:04.24 | jelly | judd: file bin/perf --release sid |
| 16:04.33 | judd | Search for bin/perf in sid/i386: linux-base: usr/bin/perf |
| 16:04.43 | jelly | judd: file bin/perf --release wheezy-backports |
| 16:04.44 | judd | No packages in wheezy-backports/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 16:10.31 | Twinkletoes | I don't seem to be able to install or remove mysql-server, is says unable to locate a file for the xxx package, this might mean I need to manually fix the pacage |
| 16:10.38 | Twinkletoes | What does this mean, and how can I fix it? |
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| 16:12.22 | jelly | !tell Twinkletoes about bat |
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| 16:13.00 | jelly | Twinkletoes: pastebin the complete command used and its whole output |
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| 16:13.15 | statu | hello everybody! |
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| 16:14.09 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:14.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:14.30 | Twinkletoes | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/42423/ |
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| 16:16.45 | jelly | Twinkletoes: interesting. Do an aptitude update, try again, and if the issue persists follow the "bat" protocol please |
| 16:16.47 | midacts | smbfs does not work on debian? I will need to install cifs-utils and use cifs? |
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| 16:17.15 | Twinkletoes | jelly: yeah, tried an update... still no joy. Whatever this bat protocol is, I'll find it and follow it |
| 16:17.19 | jelly | Twinkletoes: show apt-cache policy of packages for mysql-server and mysql-server-5.5 |
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| 16:17.32 | jelly | Twinkletoes: dpkg, the bot, sent you a message in private |
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| 16:17.41 | Twinkletoes | aha |
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| 16:19.20 | daveee123 | is there a way to estimate when the next release will come out? |
| 16:19.39 | daveee123 | also, anyone know what desktop environment will be the default for the next debian release? |
| 16:19.46 | somiaj | daveee123: not really. Once the freeze happens you can keep an eye on the rc bugs for a clue |
| 16:19.58 | daveee123 | thanks somiaj |
| 16:20.07 | somiaj | most likely gnome will stay as the 'default' if there is one. debian provides multiple install images so any major de can be the default |
| 16:20.16 | somiaj | and you always have the choice to install the de or software you want |
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| 16:20.48 | Twinkletoes | jelly: It appears that I can't install any package at all now, but the output of apt-cache policy is here: http://paste.debian.net/42424/ |
| 16:20.56 | Twinkletoes | jelly: Always get the same error |
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| 16:21.39 | daveee123 | somiaj: but i'm pretty sure that gnome 3 is currently the default, if you download the default, it doesn;t say gnome 3, but it comes with it |
| 16:22.14 | statu | I have a very noob question. how can I install a unstable package using apt? |
| 16:22.27 | somiaj | statu: if you are running stable you do not do that |
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| 16:22.49 | Brigo | statu: first you have to add unestable repositories. |
| 16:22.59 | statu | somiaj, yes, I am running stable but I need a unstable package |
| 16:23.09 | somiaj | Brigo: you do not need to suggest that to people. You will only give them the power to break their system |
| 16:23.20 | somiaj | statu: /msg dpkg ssb -- you have to compile a backport |
| 16:23.47 | somiaj | daveee123: that is what I said. I still don't consider it default, but yes if you choose 'de' it picks gnome, I was just explaining how you always have the option to install the DE you want |
| 16:24.02 | somiaj | daveee123: debian gives you the freedom to choose the software you like |
| 16:24.24 | daveee123 | somiaj: agreed |
| 16:24.36 | statu | somiaj, So, there isn't a way to have a package in a newer version than the official stable repository? |
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| 16:25.04 | somiaj | statu: I just told you. /msg dpkg ssb -- you have to compile it yourself (unless it has been done for you, you can also look at backports.debian.org for wheezy-backports) |
| 16:25.47 | somiaj | statu: the issue is the packages in sid are not built for stable. As such once you pull in an unstable libc6 or other core packages you not only open yourself up to security holes, you will find bugs that could break your system. |
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| 16:26.14 | statu | somiaj, ah ok. I thought that backport and unstable were the same |
| 16:26.16 | somiaj | statu: what package do you want a newer version of and why? |
| 16:26.44 | statu | libglib2.0 for install the graphic card intel official driver |
| 16:26.50 | somiaj | statu: a package needs to be complied against the libaries in the release you want to install it in. |
| 16:27.00 | somiaj | ,v libglib2.0 |
| 16:27.01 | judd | No package named 'libglib2.0' was found in i386. |
| 16:27.18 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:27.19 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; jessie: 2:2.21.15-1; sid: 2:2.21.15-1+b1 |
| 16:27.54 | statu | somiaj, i am running amd64 wheezy |
| 16:28.04 | somiaj | statu: backporting the intel drivers or installing them from upstream could be a lot of work. I do expect that a newer xorg and video drivers with it will be backported for you, but no time table when. |
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| 16:28.16 | somiaj | statu: versions are the same, the bot just defaults to searchig i386 |
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| 16:30.09 | somiaj | statu: what video card do you have? Is the card not supported on wheezy or do you just want a newer graphics driver for what reason? |
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| 16:31.26 | daveee123 | is there a way to have evolution store the 50 most recent messages offline, rather than an entire folder? |
| 16:31.59 | somiaj | daveee123: are you using imap or pop3? |
| 16:32.07 | daveee123 | somiaj: imap |
| 16:32.34 | somiaj | seems like it should be possible, have you looked though evolutions settings. Also you may want to check their documentation or support. |
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| 16:33.38 | daveee123 | somiaj: i don't see it, i will keep looking and googling though |
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| 16:35.01 | statu | somiaj, Intel® Core™ Processors with Intel® HD Graphics 4000 . It is supported (actually I have i915 mod) but I want a newer one in order to play games |
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| 16:36.18 | somiaj | statu: Are you positive the newer one will give you the ability to play games, and are you plaing native games or via wine? My guess is you won't get the preformance you want even with a newer driver. |
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| 16:37.41 | statu | somiaj, I didn't play any game yet. I only am preparing my system (and learning about it) |
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| 16:38.46 | n0c | hi there, i'm trying to run a 3.12 nightly kernel from an ubuntu ppa and i'm running into a dependency issue with the libc6 package. do I need to move to another distribution in order to see package versions? I am on wheezy now and tried aptitude search libc6/testing and did not get anything back |
| 16:39.02 | n0c | i'm doing this solely for the radeon dpm btw |
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| 16:39.46 | daveee123 | is it possible to use wheezy with gnome 3.8? |
| 16:40.05 | somiaj | statu: I personally think you won't get that much more preformance for a newer driver. And the work to do so will have little benifit. |
| 16:40.16 | somiaj | statu: run 'glxgears' and it should give you an idea of your glx preformance now |
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| 16:40.23 | somiaj | daveee123: not without a lot of painful work. |
| 16:40.41 | somiaj | n0c: do not install ubuntu packages on debian. |
| 16:41.02 | daveee123 | somiaj: darn |
| 16:41.06 | somiaj | n0c: also do not upgrade your libc6 to a newer version. You could break your wheezy install. |
| 16:41.24 | somiaj | n0c: you can install the 3.10 kernel from backports. If that kernel is not good enough for you, you can compile your own kernel. |
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| 16:42.05 | statu | somiaj, ok thank you for the help :) |
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| 16:42.58 | Aleks3Y | has anyone setup ssd as caching |
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| 16:47.13 | jenia_ | hello everyone. can someone please tell me what the channel to discuss off topic subjects. |
| 16:47.23 | jenia_ | not totally off topic but... |
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| 16:48.25 | ExeciN | jenia: #offtopic (but I guess you want #debian-offtopic ) |
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| 16:48.31 | jenia_ | yea thanks |
| 16:49.15 | ExeciN | jenia: it is written in the topic of this channel |
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| 16:50.23 | grzeslaw | Hello, I have some issue with pyzor on my mail servers.. I saw in logs messages like that "warn: pyzor: check failed: internal error, python traceback seen in response" .. The full error on pyzor looks like that: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iB9Quwkj -OS is Debian 6 Squeeze up2date.. postfix+spamassasin+clamav+p0f+dcc.. |
| 16:51.28 | somiaj | grzeslaw: pyzor is not in squeeze, where are you getting it from? |
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| 16:51.37 | somiaj | ,v pyzor |
| 16:51.38 | judd | Package: pyzor on i386 -- jessie: 1:0.5.0-2; sid: 1:0.5.0-2; squeeze: 1:0.5.0-2; wheezy: 1:0.5.0-2 |
| 16:51.51 | somiaj | oh wait it is, nevermind...I was just surprised to see jessie before squeeze. (: |
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| 16:53.03 | somiaj | grzeslaw: your paste seems to suggest it works as root but not as your user due to the user not able to do something with the socket it seems. |
| 16:53.38 | n0c | somiaj: yeah i need 3.11 |
| 16:53.39 | somiaj | actually I'm backwards on that, but yea works as one user but not root. |
| 16:53.58 | n0c | i tried compiling 3.11.1 but it didn't work, i will try again though because i believe the issue was that I did not make the initrd/initramfs |
| 16:54.04 | somiaj | n0c: until the newer kernel is backported for you, the only option is to compile it yourself. |
| 16:54.11 | n0c | i just moved to testing |
| 16:54.18 | n0c | to get to libc6 version 2.17 |
| 16:54.29 | n0c | and will try compiling 3.11.1 again |
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| 16:54.38 | somiaj | why did you need to get a newer libc6 version? |
| 16:54.45 | n0c | i only ran make dpkg-deb |
| 16:54.55 | n0c | somiaj: some things with the radeon open source driver |
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| 16:56.12 | n0c | i will try this command next time: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 16:56.55 | n0c | i only ran make-oldconfig and then accepted the new defaults then ran make dpkg-deb and rebooted... got the VFS no root device found kernel panic, I'm assuming because I did not build the updated initramfs |
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| 17:01.55 | FrozenFire | I'm having issues getting gearman-job-server installed on wheezy. https://gist.github.com/TheFrozenFire/1943407d589572f5991c |
| 17:02.11 | FrozenFire | Has anyone had these issues and resolved it? I don't particularly want to install gearman from source. |
| 17:03.26 | mniip | imo github gist isn't a great pstebin |
| 17:03.46 | somiaj | FrozenFire: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' or your sources.list |
| 17:04.24 | FrozenFire | Hrmm, actually, I think I just answered my own question. I have Zend Server 6 installed on this system, and it seems to mandate libmemcached6, whereas gearman-job-server needs libmemcached10 |
| 17:04.42 | FrozenFire | So I think it's refusing to install by way of an unsatisfiable requirement |
| 17:05.07 | somiaj | FrozenFire: the 'will not be installed' means it can't find or statisfy its dependencies due to your sources.list |
| 17:05.33 | somiaj | FrozenFire: so I ahve the feeling you have an offical source messing things up. So I wanted to see your sources.list or your 'apt-cache policy' output |
| 17:05.35 | n0c | Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found. |
| 17:05.36 | n0c | Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver. |
| 17:05.48 | n0c | what should I do about this situation (if --full-resolver doesnt work) |
| 17:05.53 | Aleks3Y | Q: has anyone setup ssd only for caching |
| 17:05.57 | FrozenFire | somiaj, https://gist.github.com/TheFrozenFire/1943407d589572f5991c Updated my gist |
| 17:06.00 | somiaj | FrozenFire: you could also look at 'apt-cache policy libmemcached10' |
| 17:06.11 | somiaj | n0c: welcome to upgrading to testing. You get to keep all the borken parts (; |
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| 17:06.46 | FrozenFire | somiaj, Yeah, if I try to install libmemcached10 directly, it resolves dependencies such that it removes my entire application stack |
| 17:07.07 | somiaj | FrozenFire: welcome to unoffical sources. My guess is the ngnix and zend repos are messing things up |
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| 17:07.25 | somiaj | FrozenFire: you know that ngnix is in wheezy now and you don't need those unoffical sources? |
| 17:07.30 | mniip | FrozenFire, probably because it explicitly depends on absence of other version of libmemwhatwhat |
| 17:07.31 | FrozenFire | Most likely. Sort of goes with the territory, though. Stable requirements that one can develop against. :P |
| 17:07.55 | n0c | somiaj: :) |
| 17:07.56 | somiaj | FrozenFire: if you only ran offical wheezy sources you would not run into this problem. (: |
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| 17:08.18 | jcbjoe | guys .. is there a pacakge i can download or use that deal with mailing list .. i want to join some debian mailing list . i know they take forever to respond to but just wondering |
| 17:08.21 | FrozenFire | somiaj, Yeah, I installed ZS6 because my company got a free license for it from Zend. |
| 17:08.34 | FrozenFire | They wanted us to try it in production for our stuff. |
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| 17:08.46 | FrozenFire | Works great for somewhat less complex tasks |
| 17:09.49 | somiaj | FrozenFire: yea seems like they didn't fully check their repos and there are now dependency conflicts that apt can't deal with. You will have to play around and see if you can get them to play nicely now. |
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| 17:10.05 | somiaj | FrozenFire: its one of those things that works in some cases but doesn't in others. |
| 17:10.12 | FrozenFire | I'll probably just end up using Zend's own worker thing. |
| 17:10.47 | somiaj | jcbjoe: you don't need a special program for a mailing list. Use your standard email and just send a request to join email to it. Instructions should be on debian.org |
| 17:10.57 | FrozenFire | Thanks for the insight, though. |
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| 17:11.26 | jcbjoe | yea .. somiaj i hate gmail lol .. i reallly like console based stuff .. only thing i like is reddit and other things |
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| 17:11.50 | somiaj | jcbjoe: well you can run your own mail server (provided your isp allows it) and you have a domain name to get mail |
| 17:12.02 | somiaj | jcbjoe: you can also use imap or pop3 to connenct to a remote mail server |
| 17:12.18 | somiaj | jcbjoe: mutt is what I use on the cli for my mail client. There are lots of choices for graphical mail clients in debian. |
| 17:12.39 | somiaj | jcbjoe: apt-cache search pop3 or apt-cache search imap should help provided you know what you want. I belive gmail works with pop3, but am not sure |
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| 17:12.50 | jcbjoe | somiaj: i always go back and forth with mutt .. its so somplicated to setup if your new o_O |
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| 17:15.00 | somiaj | jcbjoe: yea I use mutt when I check my mail remotely (luckly my mail is on a centos server) |
| 17:15.13 | somiaj | jcbjoe: and I use icedove (thunderbird) when I download it to my laptop |
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| 17:15.50 | somiaj | jcbjoe: fetchmail is a nice little program that supports getting the mail on your local machine. Then you can just use local config which might be simler to setup |
| 17:16.00 | jcbjoe | somiaj: would it be easy to just get examples of poeples mutt config online and just modify it for myself ? |
| 17:16.18 | grzeslaw | somiaj: reffering to pyzor (sorry for delay in reply) .. yes it is working as root, but not as amavis user because amavais have shell /bin/false.. the issue is that is pyzor is not working .. and spam logs show the error which I was mention about |
| 17:16.49 | somiaj | jcbjoe: I've seen them, have you tried searching at google. |
| 17:17.01 | jcbjoe | yea going now thanks |
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| 17:17.04 | somiaj | grzeslaw: yea not an expert on python but the error I saw seemed like a permissions error |
| 17:17.18 | somiaj | grzeslaw: I have no clue why that socket function is erroring out in python. |
| 17:17.37 | Peny | I want to put netinstall onto a usb so i can load that onto a newish machine. I have some file downloaded already, but when I try cat or sudo cat debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdc then it comes back with bash: /dev/sdc: Permission denied I am pretty sure it's the right usb too. the usb did have an ubuntu server install thingy on it before |
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| 17:18.12 | grzeslaw | somiaj: thx, anyway I will try to investigate more |
| 17:18.25 | somiaj | Peny: its because the redirect is not done as root |
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| 17:18.52 | Peny | I'll try sudo su |
| 17:19.06 | somiaj | Peny: yea if you do it as root it will work, I was looking up a one liner for you |
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| 17:19.31 | Peny | oh |
| 17:19.37 | Peny | as root it comes back with bash: /dev/sdc: No medium found |
| 17:19.51 | Peny | i'm not sure if the usb should be mounted or not for the operation |
| 17:19.55 | somiaj | Peny: 'demsg' are you sure your usb is /dev/sdc and not something lese |
| 17:20.01 | ExeciN | I am trying to build a project that uses libdb4.8, wheezy come with 5.1. Is there a way to do this or should I just use VirtualBox? |
| 17:20.06 | somiaj | Peny: do not have the usb drive mounted. If it is unmount it first |
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| 17:20.46 | Peny | the demsg is very verbose, but with the drive removed, it has a last line that says sdc capacity changed from 234682467245 or something to 0 |
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| 17:21.00 | Peny | it is / was not mounted |
| 17:21.07 | Peny | is not / was not |
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| 17:22.13 | Peny | it's freking me out now cause it says it can't find demsg which i use a moment ago |
| 17:22.16 | ompaul | Peny: sudo -i now as root do the following fdisk -l it will tell you the names of all devices including unmounted ones |
| 17:22.55 | Peny | oops it was spelling for dmesg |
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| 17:24.05 | Peny | fdisk -l doesn't show it when it's unmounted, i'll try mounting it |
| 17:24.33 | Peny | it shows it now it is mounted |
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| 17:24.44 | Peny | /dev/sdc1 * 48 30761855 15380904 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 17:25.02 | ompaul | Peny: computers don't suddenly change program names, disk names, filenames etc or passwords without a reason like it has been changed deliberately (unlikely) and machine failure - usually a bit more catastrophic so nothing to get in a panic about |
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| 17:25.13 | somiaj | fdisk -l should show it unmounted. Anyways you do not want it mounted, unmount it then yes it looks like /dev/sdc |
| 17:25.16 | ompaul | either you have backups or not :) |
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| 17:25.44 | Peny | ompaul, it was a spelling mistake |
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| 17:26.41 | Peny | I unmount it and fdisk -l says /dev/sdb1 63 1953520064 976760001 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 17:26.52 | Peny | I should go and find the cat to try |
| 17:27.29 | Peny | -bash: /dev/sdc: No medium found |
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| 17:27.33 | somiaj | well it shouldn't be changing from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc and back unless you are doing something |
| 17:27.37 | Peny | sigh |
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| 17:27.49 | somiaj | make sure you figure out what it is. If it is /dev/sdb use that |
| 17:28.02 | ompaul | somiaj Peny did say that the device was unplugged a moment ago |
| 17:28.23 | somiaj | and maybe it didn't auto unmount and that is why it is stuck with a mount point at /dev/sdc |
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| 17:28.32 | Peny | h5, wait a sec i think i find something |
| 17:28.40 | ompaul | Peny: don't go changing things when people are helping you - you confuse them and it will make it harder if not impossible to fix |
| 17:28.47 | toni | Hi! |
| 17:28.48 | Peny | it asks for the filename with a path now, i find that |
| 17:28.49 | ompaul | it is also likely to have people give up |
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| 17:29.17 | toni | I would like to configure greek input as one additional input method on wheezy, using fcitx |
| 17:29.23 | Peny | i think it tries it now |
| 17:29.33 | Peny | it's busy now :) |
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| 17:29.46 | toni | For unrelated reasons, I have installed the version from backports |
| 17:30.18 | Peny | om sperti bahasa |
| 17:30.34 | toni | now when I want to add greek, I get "Keyboard - <language> (Unavailable)" |
| 17:30.35 | Peny | it did it |
| 17:30.39 | Peny | i should try it now |
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| 17:33.00 | nonconvergent | network-manager, for whatever reason, won't switch interfaces automatically. |
| 17:33.13 | nonconvergent | It'll go from eth0 to wlan0, but not wlan0 to eth0. |
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| 17:34.03 | nonconvergent | So I have to disable wifi and reboot |
| 17:34.26 | somiaj | nonconvergent: do you have either wlan0 or eth0 mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:35.15 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Not sure. It's the default setup on Wheezy |
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| 17:35.48 | nonconvergent | Nope. auto lo and iface lo inet loopback are the only lines |
| 17:36.15 | somiaj | I don't use network-manager so I can't be of much more help. I just was wondering if eth0 was set up from the install and thus making network manager not deal with it right. |
| 17:36.44 | nonconvergent | It works fine for everything else, just that it doesn't switch over when I plug in. |
| 17:36.44 | somiaj | my suggestion is get rid of the network-manager voodoo. But others may know how to get it to work. (: |
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| 17:39.40 | somiaj | nonconvergent: is wlan0 still active and connected when you plug it in? |
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| 17:41.35 | ExeciN | I am trying to build a project that needs libdb4.8++-dev to build, wheezy can only have libdb5.1++-dev installed because libdb5.1 is already on the system. Is there a way to successfully build this project or should I just use VirtualBox + squeeze (or generally another compatible distro) ? |
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| 17:42.22 | somiaj | ExeciN: you can build it in a chroot so you don't have to change what is installed. You can even run it in the chroot (this is a bit harder if it is an X application) |
| 17:42.36 | somiaj | ExeciN: so you could say create a squeeze chroot and run it there. |
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| 17:42.55 | somiaj | (as opposed to a VM -- note chroots are considered insecure, but for indviduial use they are very nice) |
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| 17:59.26 | Peny | it worked |
| 17:59.45 | Peny | it's doing my 1st debian install :) |
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| 18:00.39 | gb | wot you installing? |
| 18:00.59 | Peny | debian, the whole thing, for a server :) |
| 18:01.11 | Peny | or at least the server parts of it |
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| 18:01.40 | Peny | I'm hoping to solve the 'I was running a 32 bit operating system on a 64 bit computer' thing I had going there for a while |
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| 18:02.52 | Peny | which country has the best mirror ? I had awful troubles before with that kind of thing |
| 18:02.53 | gb | 64bit is overrated |
| 18:03.03 | gb | best? |
| 18:03.16 | Peny | true, but I needed a new machine, and that was what they waz sellin |
| 18:03.21 | Peny | reliable |
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| 18:03.39 | gb | the country closest too you, but really depends on the network infrastructure you have access too |
| 18:04.08 | Peny | but some won't work a bit later, and that broke my system before i think, so i want to think which is best |
| 18:04.28 | gb | i believe there are tools to tell you the quickest mirror for your location |
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| 18:04.43 | Peny | doesn't matter i'll just choose any |
| 18:04.53 | Peny | oh? |
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| 18:05.24 | gb | easy to change mirror later |
| 18:06.02 | gb | but try to go with one closest to your network if you live in a place like aus where network is crud |
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| 18:07.05 | Peny | i picked france |
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| 18:07.08 | gb | there is a lot to be said for wget a full iso prior to install in such cases |
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| 18:14.01 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Looks liek. |
| 18:14.43 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yea network manager is just confusing your system. when eth0 is brought up while wlan0 is still running it is probabaly messing with your default routes. |
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| 18:15.07 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you should probabaly tell network manager to turn off wlan0 first before pluging in. And then ask the network-manager people why it is buggy. |
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| 18:19.07 | codekK | Hi all, someone can recommend me a good pdf reader for my debian laptop? Im on Xfce and pref dont install KDE/GNOME libraries... i tried xpdf and epdfview, i like edpfview but i have a problem displaying some pdf's create from .ppt |
| 18:19.15 | qwertzer | does anyone know how to write reverse question- or exclamation- marks on a south slavic QWERTZ? |
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| 18:19.30 | AimHere | codekK, evince might work for you |
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| 18:19.50 | codekK | AimHere, i go to try it :p |
| 18:19.53 | ompaul | codekK: best ones are kde's okular or evince from the gnome stables |
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| 18:20.08 | qwertzer | AimHere: it's gtk afaik |
| 18:20.19 | codekK | doesnt exist a xfce pdf reader¿? |
| 18:20.36 | AimHere | qwertzer, Oh, fair enough |
| 18:20.47 | m0g | qwertzer: you can always use ctrl + maj + u + unicode code of the char you want |
| 18:20.49 | qwertzer | codekK: xfce is gtk |
| 18:20.53 | qwertzer | but gtk2 |
| 18:20.57 | qwertzer | so try the package evince-gtk |
| 18:21.01 | qwertzer | (not just evince) |
| 18:21.03 | m0g | qwertzer: it's not very fast but you can paste it afterwards |
| 18:21.06 | qwertzer | i think that might be it |
| 18:21.28 | qwertzer | m0g: what's maj? super? |
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| 18:21.35 | AimHere | qwertzer,, m0g - setting up the compose key is nice - you can just hit compose (my compose key is right-windows) and then hit '!' twice for ¡, likewise for ¿ |
| 18:21.43 | m0g | qwertzer: oh sorry, shift |
| 18:21.55 | m0g | qwertzer: I used the french term ~~ |
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| 18:22.07 | codekK | ok qwertzer thankyou |
| 18:22.08 | AimHere | Works for other funky foreign keys |
| 18:22.10 | qwertzer | m0g: what does maj mean in French? |
| 18:22.24 | m0g | qwertzer: majuscule, or uppercase in english |
| 18:22.30 | qwertzer | cool |
| 18:23.53 | qwertzer | u00A |
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| 18:23.59 | qwertzer | u00A |
| 18:24.04 | qwertzer | uA |
| 18:24.07 | qwertzer | darnit |
| 18:24.31 | qwertzer | ¡ |
| 18:24.33 | qwertzer | yay |
| 18:24.36 | m0g | qwertzer: :) |
| 18:24.39 | qwertzer | ¿ |
| 18:24.52 | qwertzer | m0g: thanks |
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| 18:25.48 | qwertzer | capsaicin in my eye... |
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| 18:27.03 | qwertzer | AimHere: thanks for the composite suggestion, but i prefer not to customize (so i can use the same method elsewhere). Who knows, maybe I set it up if I get tired of this |
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| 18:27.50 | bazhang | #defocus |
| 18:28.07 | bazhang | augh sorry |
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| 18:30.47 | qwertzer | m0g: shared your advice with ##espanol, so they may be able to help others like me in the future |
| 18:30.49 | qwertzer | thanks again, bye |
| 18:30.53 | giuscri | Hi, is there a specific channel for Debian-developer? |
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| 18:31.19 | somiaj | giuscri: what are you wanting. there is #debian-mentor on irc.oftc.net that may help, though the devs seem to use the mailing lists more than irc |
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| 18:32.29 | giuscri | somiaj: I'm planning to join the Google Summer of code (2014) and I'd like to hear some feedback about that. |
| 18:32.43 | giuscri | somiaj: I'm gonna try #debian-mentor now. Thank you =) |
| 18:33.14 | m00n | trying to a net-install of amd64 with a more than capable machine, but it will not detect the onboard ethernet card (an intel PRO/1000) |
| 18:33.20 | somiaj | giuscri: it might be #debian-mentors |
| 18:33.43 | somiaj | m00n: yes, and I don't belive you will have firmware issues with that card (major issue with the netinstall) |
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| 18:34.12 | m00n | im running an intel 4770k, on a z87x-ud3h mobo with the integrated chip. It wont even let me manually select the driver. |
| 18:34.16 | m00n | excuse me? |
| 18:34.48 | somiaj | hmm, I thought the intel onboards were supported by the linux kernel. Do you have the exact chipset? |
| 18:34.55 | somiaj | Do you know what linux kernel you need to support it? |
| 18:34.56 | m00n | sec |
| 18:35.05 | somiaj | (the pciid would be useful to) |
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| 18:36.22 | juri_ | ok, i've got a wierd problem. i've got a VM running debian stable, that locks up when it starts (kvm, if you must know). |
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| 18:36.48 | m00n | how can i acquire that information from within windows? much easier on linux |
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| 18:37.17 | juri_ | it gets to 'init: booting", and hangs. you can init=/bin/sh, and see that a debsums comes up clean, and a recovery CD says the filesystems are clean. |
| 18:37.47 | fetoega | Hi i am looking for the least crash prone torrent client that also supports magnet links. QBittorrent and Deluge keeps crashing on me all the time. |
| 18:37.49 | juri_ | i've forced the recovery cd to check the filesystems with -f, and i've even tried downstepping udev to the previous version. |
| 18:38.09 | m0g | fetoega: transmission maybe |
| 18:38.17 | jordanm | ktorrent |
| 18:38.18 | juri_ | init=/bin/bash fails. |
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| 18:38.51 | juri_ | there's nothing wrong in dpkg (dpkg --configure -a returns clean).. |
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| 18:40.13 | SmashingX | How would I lookup a PTR record? |
| 18:40.26 | maxyz | juri_: Reinstall? |
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| 18:41.11 | juri_ | maxyz: got an application i've been developing stuck on it. i've already failed to install it on another VM. |
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| 18:42.07 | jhutchins | juri_: Possibly /bin/bash is missing. You could try aptitude -f install to see if the apt system knows what's missing, but if you've lost random system files a reinstall is probably best. |
| 18:42.19 | maxyz | juri_: boot the machine without the quiet kernel parameter and check the output, if possible paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 18:42.39 | juri_ | jhutchins: bash is there, and passes a debsum. |
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| 18:43.03 | maxyz | SmashingX: dig host PTR |
| 18:43.34 | m00n | ok, so on the motherboards specs page it is listed as "Intel® GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit)". Not sure how to find the pci id, unless thats the hardware ID under the details tab in the device properties |
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| 18:46.31 | m00n | somiaj any idea? |
| 18:46.38 | juri_ | can someone tell me what package libtinfo.so.5.9 is in? |
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| 18:46.55 | juri_ | its the only corrupt file on slash. every other file passes debsums. |
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| 18:47.17 | mtn | juri_: http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:47.21 | somiaj | m00n: I belive the wired intell pro 1000 is fully supported. |
| 18:47.33 | somiaj | juri_: learn to use apt-file |
| 18:47.40 | somiaj | juri_: if the package is installed on your machine, dpkg -S file will work |
| 18:48.26 | juri_ | somiaj: thanks. was pulling a blank thre. tried -l and -L. duh. ;) |
| 18:48.31 | m00n | it will not even detect, nor allow me to manually pick my driver. Thus, it must be something settings related, id guess. But my BIOS settings related to the chip are untouched. |
| 18:48.37 | m00n | so come one, wtf?? |
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| 18:49.34 | somiaj | m00n: once you boot into the install, hit alt-f2, run lscpi, find the chipset, look it up in google. Find out which linux kernel supports it. |
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| 18:50.01 | m00n | ok |
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| 18:51.04 | maxyz | somiaj: Some "intel" gb are actually realtek, which need a firmware. |
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| 18:51.08 | maxyz | m00n: ^ |
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| 18:51.31 | juri_ | wow. that one file was it. |
| 18:51.48 | juri_ | somiaj: thanks. you actually helped. :D |
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| 18:51.59 | juri_ | (and debsums. debsums rocks) |
| 18:52.12 | somiaj | maxyz: so it isn't the intell pro 1000 chipset despite it says...haha, damn realtek (: |
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| 18:54.02 | m00n | if it does end up needing a firmware, that would be non-free and id need to download it separate |
| 18:54.07 | m00n | right? |
| 18:54.23 | somiaj | yes |
| 18:54.25 | somiaj | !firmware images |
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| 18:54.26 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 19:05.13 | srhb | Hi. I'm having trouble installing Debian on my UEFI system. Grub is unable to see any of the attached hard drives (attached to a SAS HBA) |
| 19:05.33 | srhb | I've tried booting into an UEFI shell, and it cannot see the hard drives either. What might the issue be? |
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| 19:08.14 | ompaul | turn off uefi and make it legacy |
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| 19:09.05 | nosuid | any suggestions on a dlna server from the availbale debs? |
| 19:09.09 | nosuid | available |
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| 19:09.51 | nosuid | minidlna it would seem |
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| 19:10.49 | somiaj | nosuid: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:11.10 | somiaj | but yea that is what I foudn too |
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| 19:13.41 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.05 | somiaj | I belive mplayer can |
| 19:15.19 | somiaj | I think xine can too with the right codecs |
| 19:15.22 | ikonia | Quest: are you using ubuntu or debian |
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| 19:15.32 | ikonia | Quest: you're posting in both ubuntu and debian - which are you using ? |
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| 19:15.52 | Quest | ikonia, both |
| 19:16.02 | ikonia | Quest: that seems unlikley |
| 19:16.09 | Quest | now ubuntu. at home debian |
| 19:16.12 | Quest | why? |
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| 19:16.27 | alps`` | hi. i'm trying to install pidgin-gfire (xfire plugin for pidgin) which depends on libnotify1 (http://packages.debian.org/sid/libnotify1). what should i do? add sid repos to the sources list? https://paste.xinu.at/1CH/ |
| 19:16.47 | Quest | ikonia, i need a player for both. you know any? |
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| 19:17.10 | ikonia | Quest: a few options, but I don't believe they will work for both (packaged for both)] |
| 19:17.17 | jcbjoe | hmm |
| 19:17.29 | alps`` | ooh i am on debian testing |
| 19:17.38 | Zzeiss | I'm a little bit stuck on trying to upgrade an ARM system-on-a-credit-card from Lenny. |
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| 19:17.49 | Quest | ikonia, like? |
| 19:17.57 | somiaj | Zzeiss: what are you trying to upgrade too, you realize you have to go though each release |
| 19:18.10 | somiaj | Zzeiss: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze then /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 19:18.17 | Zzeiss | somiaj: Um.. Thanks! |
| 19:18.32 | somiaj | note I think the arm ports were changed from lenny to wheezy, so there may be issues I don' tknow about there as I don't use arm |
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| 19:19.50 | ikonia | Quest: what version of debian ? |
| 19:20.16 | Quest | dont know.. its at home. downloaded it 3 months ago. must be latest |
| 19:20.26 | ikonia | well, lets deal with that when you get home then |
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| 19:20.40 | ikonia | seems pointless to ask about things when you don't even know the version |
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| 19:20.51 | Quest | must be the latest |
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| 19:21.25 | OldBob | #flood |
| 19:21.26 | Quest | ikonia, if its not the latest, I would upgrade. You assume i have the latest. now do you know any such player for debian? |
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| 19:21.39 | Quest | ikonia, after all that investigation. |
| 19:21.39 | ikonia | Quest: we'll work on it when you are back at your debian machine |
| 19:21.51 | Quest | ikonia, lol. dont bother. |
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| 19:21.58 | ikonia | ok |
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| 19:22.41 | Quest | I know the ubuntu version as I am on it now though. but thats offtopic in #debian i gues |
| 19:23.00 | Zzeiss | somiaj: ahh... but here's the problem. What's currently running on the board is NOT a standard kernel; it's a build by Atmark Techno and the uname is 2.6.26-at17 |
| 19:23.03 | somiaj | there are various players, mplayer, xine are two I know of and told ya. |
| 19:23.23 | Zzeiss | somiaj: Which doesn't work with the /msg dpkg suggestions |
| 19:23.29 | Quest | somiaj, cant play .mov in mplay nor speed change |
| 19:23.48 | somiaj | Zzeiss: yea the lenny->squeeze upgrade I think was a bit particular (that is why I sent you the factoids). I htink you have to upgrade the kernel first then add udev |
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| 19:24.58 | Zzeiss | somiaj: to be precise I'm stalling on rmnologin which "depends on system facility `$all' which cannot be true~" |
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| 19:25.30 | jcbjoe | can we talk about the debian mailing list in here or is that for #debian-offtopic ? |
| 19:25.57 | somiaj | jcbjoe: you can ask here |
| 19:26.06 | Zzeiss | somiaj: but following the factoids doesn't work because the kernel name isn't a standard one.... it's an ...-at17, where "at" stands for atmark techno, the company that made the board. |
| 19:26.30 | somiaj | Zzeiss: you want to get to wheezy? would a reinstall be easier? |
| 19:26.35 | alps`` | could someone look at my dependency problem above? |
| 19:26.56 | jcbjoe | alps``: sure |
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| 19:27.28 | kyze | anyone got an idea why parted thorws an error reagarding primary gpt table after i created my raid1 with mdadm ? |
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| 19:28.05 | tuxIO | Lol, what happens if one removed (purged) apt and aptitude? dpkg is still available, but apt-get command not found. |
| 19:28.13 | jcbjoe | alps``: you just said your on debian testing |
| 19:28.17 | Zzeiss | somiaj: I'd consider it- but again, it would need to be boot-and-go disk image, because the board isn't a PC. No CDRom, no bootable USB; you put an EXT4 onto a microSD card with the vmlinux.gz in /boot and the initrd somewhere else (and so on...) and the firmware boots it. |
| 19:28.23 | jcbjoe | never mind i saw it |
| 19:28.32 | alps`` | jcbjoe: :) |
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| 19:28.50 | Zzeiss | somiaj: Oh, and it's an ARM9. Not intel architecture. |
| 19:28.53 | jcbjoe | alps``: for depenancies you need to find the package it belons to /download apt-file apt-get install apt-file |
| 19:29.01 | jcbjoe | then type apt-file search libnotify1 |
| 19:29.08 | jcbjoe | it will tell you what it belongs to and then install that package |
| 19:29.08 | somiaj | Zzeiss: yea I don't mess with embedded devices, just giving kinda generic advise that may help. |
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| 19:29.32 | tuxIO | QUESTION: What happens if one removed (purged) apt and aptitude? dpkg is still available, but apt-get command not found. |
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| 19:30.23 | alps`` | jcbjoe: but there seems to be no libnotify1 in jessie at all right? see http://packages.debian.org/sid/libnotify1 |
| 19:30.28 | Zzeiss | somiaj: OK, thanks! I appreciate the attempt. |
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| 19:30.43 | Zzeiss | Though the clue is that if you have to upgrade to 2.6.32 first, I can work from that. |
| 19:31.26 | alps`` | jcbjoe: also there is no pidgin-gfire like in ubuntu, or else i would just install that :/ |
| 19:31.36 | jordanm | alps``: appears to be due to a release critical bug |
| 19:32.15 | alps`` | jordanm: this problem exists since i used squeeze years ago :( |
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| 19:32.22 | jcbjoe | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libnotify1;dist=unstable |
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| 19:33.42 | quinso | Hello, how does PREEMPT_RT version of a kernel differ from the common version? |
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| 19:33.43 | jordanm | alps``: it got tagged with squeeze-ignore which allowed it to migrate to the release |
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| 19:34.12 | alps`` | jordanm: jcbjoe so no chance installing that one? |
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| 19:35.08 | jordanm | alps``: you can install the .deb from sid manually |
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| 19:36.54 | alps`` | jordanm: i see. what is with adding unstable repos? |
| 19:37.01 | tuxIO | How to install apt without apt? |
| 19:37.06 | tuxIO | and without wget and nano and so on |
| 19:37.12 | tuxIO | only dpkg is available |
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| 19:37.33 | jordanm | alps``: if you add the unstable repo, you will upgrade to unstable on the next apt-get updage |
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| 19:38.08 | alps`` | jordanm: how stable is unstable? :D |
| 19:39.02 | mtn | tuxIO: download on another computer, move to your computer, install with dpkg |
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| 19:39.20 | alps`` | nevermind it would be not good idea because of one package i guess |
| 19:39.30 | mtn | tuxIO: or your browser, if it works |
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| 19:41.07 | tuxIO | I will reinstall it |
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| 19:42.43 | jcbjoe | don't they have th source over there ? |
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| 19:44.34 | alps`` | The requested URL /debian/pool/main/libn/libnotify/libnotify_0.7.6-1.debian.tar.gz was not found on this server. |
| 19:44.36 | alps`` | meh |
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| 19:47.20 | deanrock0 | is dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdb correct way to put netinst iso to usb key? i tried two times and when i try to use it, it sometimes files at the start, but other times sometime during setting up installation |
| 19:47.34 | darsie | which program is using my hard disk so intensly? |
| 19:47.42 | boycottg00gle | pidstat |
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| 19:48.43 | jcbjoe | whats pidstat ? |
| 19:49.10 | darsie | - pidstat: reports statistics for Linux tasks (processes); |
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| 19:50.04 | kelpie | guys can i establish direct connection between two computers using wifi without router? |
| 19:50.06 | jcbjoe | darsie: thats not in wheezy |
| 19:50.13 | jcbjoe | darsie: or wheezy-packports |
| 19:50.21 | alps`` | i don't get it. should i use the squeeze version of libnotify1 now if there is no sid version avaiable? |
| 19:50.23 | darsie | it's in the package sysstat |
| 19:50.28 | Zzeiss | kelpie: yes, but not in infrastructure mode. Check out adhoc mode. |
| 19:50.49 | musca | !adhoc |
| 19:50.50 | dpkg | Procedures for establishing a <WiFi> ad-hoc network on Debian systems can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc |
| 19:50.56 | darsie | jcbjoe: which you can find out with 'apt-cache search pidstat' |
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| 19:51.53 | jcbjoe | darsie: i did aptitide search ~npidstat it didn't show it to me but apt-cache did .. does that mean apt-cache is better for searching ? |
| 19:52.16 | darsie | jcbjoe: I think so. |
| 19:52.25 | quinso | What does green colour in "ls" output mean? |
| 19:52.27 | jcbjoe | ~n~d did |
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| 19:54.06 | markus_ | green in ls meens that the file is an executeable |
| 19:54.41 | mumpitzel | quinso: it means the executable bit in the permissions is set |
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| 20:02.21 | kyle__ | Not usually a java dev, but have to bang out some code that's using apache commons lang3... installed using apt... how do I find where the jar actually ended up? |
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| 20:03.06 | alps`` | maybe i ask later again :( |
| 20:03.20 | m0g | kyle__: not sure about your actual problem right now but usually you'll manage jars with maven. If you only need one jar you might as well wget it from maven central |
| 20:03.37 | AimHere | kyle__, If you installed using jar, then synaptic (and presumably apt-cache, if you can mutter the ritual incantation) will tell you where the installed files are |
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| 20:03.46 | AimHere | *using apt |
| 20:03.51 | kyle__ | m0g: Not from apt? |
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| 20:04.34 | m0g | kyle__: usually not, maven is preferred for java jars |
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| 20:04.51 | m0g | http://search.maven.org/#search|ga|1|a%3A%22commons-lang3%22 |
| 20:05.03 | wood_quinn_ | Has anyone tried running PowerDNS on Wheezy? |
| 20:05.49 | wood_quinn_ | Mine is configured to listen on 0.0.0.0:53 (the default) but it doesn't show up in either netstat or connection attemtps. |
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| 20:06.36 | darsie | gvfsd-metadata seems to cause the intense disk activity. Do I need it? |
| 20:06.50 | AimHere | kyle__, I mistooked. dpkg -L <package name> will tell you where the files are |
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| 20:07.50 | kyle__ | AimHere: Thank you. I was running through all of my apt-cache incantations, and not comming up with it! |
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| 20:08.46 | kyle__ | m0g: So, can you install update and remove apckages through maven, like you do through rubygems/cran/cpan? |
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| 20:09.06 | m0g | kyle__: not really, maven just handles the build process |
| 20:09.34 | m0g | kyle__: you specify your deps in a pom.xml file for each project and maven downloads the relevant jar from maven central and puts them in your ~/.m2 directory |
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| 20:10.28 | m0g | kyle__: it's the de facto standard for java applications |
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| 20:10.58 | kyle__ | m0g: Ah ok. I was beginning to worry, because last I _thought_ I saw maven, it was a build management system. |
| 20:11.33 | m0g | kyle__: yup it is, and there's not really a way to do more in java since you have to manage the classpath for each project |
| 20:11.37 | kyle__ | Nothing to shake your confidence like realizing you were dead wrong foor years. |
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| 20:14.41 | beastd | kyle__: dpkg -L <pkg name> # should show you what got installed and where |
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| 20:18.21 | m0g | kyle__: what I meant is that the closest thing we have in java to an installed package is a jar in its proper subfolder of ~/.m2, ready to be bundled in a jar or reached from the classpath |
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| 20:18.50 | darsie | It seems gvfsd-metadata is causing a lot of disk access. Why? |
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| 20:25.24 | mischief | friends |
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| 20:25.38 | mischief | how do i install i386 development packages without aptitude shitting the bed? |
| 20:25.58 | imran-uk | hi, just installed 4gb in my laptop with a pae kernel, but still shows 3,2G visible - how can the os see all 4gb? |
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| 20:26.00 | mischief | i need to build some static binaries for i386 on an amd64 host. |
| 20:26.14 | somiaj | mischief: why? |
| 20:26.24 | somiaj | mischief: do you know about deboostrap and chroots? |
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| 20:26.36 | mischief | clearly no ^u^ |
| 20:26.56 | somiaj | mischief: I ment why static, since multiarch allows you to have i386 and amd64 libs at the same time (just not dev files) |
| 20:27.17 | mischief | somiaj: because target system is not actually linux, and i don't want to have to manage the libraries. |
| 20:27.18 | somiaj | mischief: the way I build i386 stuff on amd64 is I use debootstrap to build a i386 chroot. I build the software inside the chroot into a .deb package, then I install it via multiarch |
| 20:27.50 | somiaj | mischief: well I am unsure what is required to build a static package (I will assume you kinda know that). But I would still do it in an i386 chroot so you only have i386 libs available |
| 20:28.18 | mischief | dpkg: tell mischief about chroot |
| 20:28.26 | mischief | -.- |
| 20:28.37 | mischief | dpkg: tell mischief about cross-compiling |
| 20:28.45 | somiaj | mischief: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 20:29.03 | zykotick9 | !tell mischief about msg the bot |
| 20:29.11 | somiaj | mischief: basic idea 1) use debootstrap to download a base i386 system to some /target directory on your system |
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| 20:29.41 | darsie | which installed packages depend on gvfs-daemons? |
| 20:29.52 | somiaj | mischief: 2) mount --bind /dev, /proc and /sys inside /target, 3) chroot /target (now you are inside a i386 debian install, from there you can set up apt and apt-get install the building tools you need and then build the binary) |
| 20:30.39 | somiaj | darsie: aptitude search is your friend, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 20:30.47 | somiaj | there is a slightly newer doc, but that should have the ones you need |
| 20:30.53 | darsie | thx |
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| 20:32.35 | zykotick9 | darsie: while aptitude is the better answer, i use "apt-cache depends foo" and "apt-cahce depends foo" most of the time, i don't have to search the aptitude commands required. |
| 20:33.08 | zykotick9 | s/depends/rdpends/ on the second one. |
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| 20:34.05 | darsie | thx |
| 20:34.11 | zykotick9 | that's rdepends btw... |
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| 20:34.33 | darsie | Guess I can't just remove gvfs-daemons ... |
| 20:34.49 | somiaj | oh wiw, didn't know apt-cache did depends. I just got use to aptitude search cause of its power |
| 20:34.51 | zykotick9 | not easily! why do you even want to? |
| 20:34.56 | mischief | somiaj: ok, this could get hairy |
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| 20:35.18 | somiaj | mischief: are you that familar with using a terminal (cli) to control debian and compile software? |
| 20:35.30 | mischief | i'm low ok disk space.. i need to make debootstrap chroot, then build my compiler, then get all dev libs and finally build my program |
| 20:35.48 | mischief | somiaj: a little bit, but i have build other things without needing a chroot |
| 20:35.52 | somiaj | yea disk space will be an issue, note you won't have xorg or any de bloat i the chroot |
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| 20:36.14 | mischief | but when i try to install zlib1g-dev:i386, aptitude tried to remove all my amd64 compilers and stuff |
| 20:36.16 | darsie | zykotick9: Something causes a lot of disk activity for quite a while now and it seems gvfsd-metadata is doing it, but probably on behalf of another program. |
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| 20:36.29 | somiaj | mischief: the issue is you need the -dev libaries. You can actually install the -dev libaries for i386 in amd64 due to multiarch, but cannot have both the i386 and amd64 installed at the same time, so I find chroots cleaner because it would be a mess |
| 20:36.43 | darsie | I even quit all my applications and logged out of my xfce session, but the disc activity remained. |
| 20:36.46 | mischief | sigh |
| 20:36.49 | somiaj | mischief: yea because it will remove zlib1g-dev:amd64 which other things depend on |
| 20:36.58 | somiaj | mischief: might want to look at the package 'pbuilder' it tries to automate this |
| 20:37.06 | zykotick9 | darsie: do you want to use gnome? if so, i'd leave it... you're asking for problems... it's doing metadata on all your disks, have you let it complete once yet? |
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| 20:37.41 | darsie | zykotick9: gnome3 sucks. I switched to kde and now xfce. |
| 20:38.03 | darsie | But I may be using some gnome/kde program. |
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| 20:38.34 | jcbjoe | wierd .. im not getting any sound .. im on debian wheezy i did dpkg-reconfigure pulseaudo and dpkg-recongigure alsa-base .. also alsamixer is showing everything up .. any ideas ? |
| 20:38.35 | darsie | not sure if I let it complete once ... |
| 20:38.37 | zykotick9 | darsie: i went gnome2 -> back to my WM-only roots, myself ... |
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| 20:49.37 | mischief | somiaj: my debootstrap chroot has no apt-get |
| 20:49.43 | mischief | wat to do :s |
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| 20:50.11 | JyZyXEL- | how can i check from what boot partition the currently installed grub will load its configurations from? |
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| 20:51.09 | mischief | i see now. ./debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage |
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| 20:52.19 | jcbjoe | any ideas on my sound ? |
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| 20:52.32 | mischief | somiaj: lots of manual setup required here.. |
| 20:52.37 | jcbjoe | im going to look thru bootlogd / actually speaking of bootlogd it looks like garbage |
| 20:52.39 | JyZyXEL- | i think its called the core.img that is responsible for loading the filesystem that contains the boot files |
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| 21:08.04 | fetoega | compizconfig-settings-manager gone in wheezy repos? |
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| 21:09.27 | sliddjur | Hey, when doing ip neigh show. Is that info taken from some file? |
| 21:09.30 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 21:09.30 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 21:10.04 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: Beyond the above I don't know what to suggest. I don't think we have very good documentation on troubleshooting pulseaudio yet. |
| 21:10.37 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: i fixed by a reboot .. kinda wierd |
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| 21:11.03 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: Sound is one of those things where you actualy need to reboot some times. |
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| 21:11.11 | jcbjoe | o_O |
| 21:13.58 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL-: in /boot/grub/grub.cfg (for grub2) each menu entry should specify a root and the location of the kernel. That file is generated from other files which may configure the location for grub's stages. |
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| 21:14.36 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL-: This should explain it: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
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| 21:15.29 | JyZyXEL- | jhutchins: but i wanna know what the stage 1.5 core.img is doing on a particular hard drive |
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| 21:16.32 | jelly-home | it's just resting? |
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| 21:17.34 | jelly-home | that question of identifying the particular grub installation might possibly be better answered in #grub |
| 21:17.41 | jhutchins | It's pinin' for the fjords! |
| 21:18.12 | JyZyXEL- | they never answer |
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| 21:18.47 | JyZyXEL- | would be real great to know if the system will start-up after i type in reboot |
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| 21:27.59 | jhutchins | Would be pretty easy to figure out with that manual. |
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| 21:38.03 | kelpie | anyone ever used lightspark? |
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| 21:40.20 | elkingrey | I can't figure out how to sort my test.txt file. I have tried multiple commands including sort test.txt > test.txt and sort -o test.txt test.txt and nothing works. It always just leaves me with a blank test.txt file. |
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| 21:40.52 | elkingrey | kelpie: I installed from source its most recent version. Doesn't seem to play any of the streaming videos I want to watch. |
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| 21:41.59 | jcbjoe | anyone good at setting up the cpu-freq or https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
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| 21:45.15 | m00n | 17:41 m00n Why wont the newest (7.1) debian version support my on board ethernet (intel pro/1000) lspci says its a intel corporation ethernet connection i217-V (rev 04) |
| 21:45.56 | kelpie | elkingrey: i'm not an expert but video players aren't made for older flash versions (ie gnash)? |
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| 21:48.44 | elkingrey | kelpie: I'm not sure what you're asking. You should be able to view any flash program up to SWF7, and an occasional SWF 8 and 9. But anything beyond that requires lightspark as well, which unfortunately, doesn't seem to cover more than a couple of sites. |
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| 21:48.48 | MrMonkey311 | hi room |
| 21:49.30 | MrMonkey311 | who here likes to use gimp? |
| 21:49.43 | jhutchins | elkingrey: man sort? |
| 21:50.17 | elkingrey | jutchins: Did that already. It's telling me to use the -o or --ouput=FILE options, which I have done repeatedly without success. |
| 21:50.31 | elkingrey | jhutchins: ^^ |
| 21:50.56 | rryoumaa | what's the best place to ask about how to diagnose a problem with hardware that is only intermittently recognized, is debian-user a permissible place for a non-subscriber to ask and post logs to? |
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| 21:51.24 | jhutchins | elkingrey: Get it to sort to screen first. |
| 21:51.28 | elkingrey | jhutchins: The best I can do is sort the file to standard output, but I want the sorted file to SAVE over the input file. |
| 21:52.04 | jhutchins | elkingrey: You might not be able to do that. Try creating a new file. Alternatively, use sort within vim. |
| 21:52.08 | elkingrey | or even save the output to a new file, would be fine. I tried piping it, to no avail. |
| 21:52.41 | jhutchins | elkingrey: If <command> outputs to the screen, <command> > file should output to the file. |
| 21:52.54 | elkingrey | you'd think... |
| 21:53.01 | m00n | Any ideas room. |
| 21:53.03 | m00n | .? |
| 21:53.20 | jhutchins | elkingrey: Unless it's output is on stderr, then you need 2> file |
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| 21:53.38 | elkingrey | jhutchins: Trying that now. One sec. |
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| 21:54.01 | jhutchins | m00n: intell 1000s have been supported in the stock kernel for ages. |
| 21:54.14 | elkingrey | jhutchins: Nope. |
| 21:54.29 | jhutchins | m00n: lspci -nn, post the eight-character ID. |
| 21:54.38 | jhutchins | elkingrey: Try it in vi then. |
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| 21:55.56 | jhutchins | elkingrey: It might be kludgy but cat <file> | sort > <newfile> might work. |
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| 21:57.37 | elkingrey | jhutchins: Haha, I figured it out. When I sorted in vim, I noticed that it put all of the blank lines at the top of the screen, so before when I was using sort -o test.txt test.txt I was looking at a blank screen, not realizing that all of the words were down a few pages. Thanks for the help! Vim helped me realize what was going on. The sort command works fine in the command line. Any idea how to get rid of the blank |
| 21:57.37 | elkingrey | lines? |
| 21:57.44 | fishcooker | i only have access on terminal: how to list content of the disk drive that have folder size above 700MB in command line?(i want to move all folders that over700MB to another disk) |
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| 22:00.01 | Sevet_ | elkingrey: sort -u would remove duplicates, so you'd only get one... or pipe through grep -v "^$" to just remove any blank lines |
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| 22:01.30 | thingy | fishcooker: du -h -t 700M /mount/point/for/your/disk/drive |
| 22:01.33 | m00n | Jhutchins 8086:153b |
| 22:01.40 | thingy | bah he quit |
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| 22:02.12 | thingy | fishcooker: du -h -t 700M /mount/point/for/your/disk/drive |
| 22:02.25 | thingy | where -t = threshold size |
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| 22:04.52 | m00n | Jhutchins any ideas? Im lost, and googles turning up nothing |
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| 22:05.46 | thingy | m00n: The PCI ID repository says: http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/8086/153b |
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| 22:06.03 | thingy | m00n: What was the issue? |
| 22:06.43 | MrMonkey311 | hello, I'm a newb! |
| 22:06.49 | Peny | I just installed new debian on a box for a server, and i ssh to it, then, i try sudo poweroff, and it say -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 22:06.51 | m00n | Its not detected by the amd64 wheezy net-inst image, nor the non-free unnofficial build. |
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| 22:07.07 | Sevet_ | Peny: sudo isn't installed by default |
| 22:07.13 | Sevet_ | apt-get install sudo |
| 22:07.15 | thingy | m00n: Did you check dmesg log for any message saying a non free firmware file is required? |
| 22:07.17 | Peny | hehehe, oh |
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| 22:07.22 | Peny | oh ok |
| 22:07.27 | m00n | Lol ubuntu nub |
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| 22:07.41 | Sevet_ | peny: and add your user to the sudo group (usermod -a -G sudo $username), it'll take logging out and in again to take effect |
| 22:07.42 | m00n | Sec |
| 22:07.51 | Peny | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 22:07.53 | Peny | oh |
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| 22:08.01 | Sevet_ | you need to be root to use apt-get and usermod |
| 22:08.07 | MrMonkey311 | a newb however that has a serious question: how might I log when somebody accesses a certain partition? (plz tell me there's an app for that) |
| 22:08.21 | Peny | -bash: usermod: command not found |
| 22:08.53 | Dan39 | MrMonkey311: o_O |
| 22:08.55 | Peny | how do i be root ? log back in ? |
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| 22:09.02 | m00n | Im going to burn another usb for faster switching between my non-free and testing. Ive been booting into windows for unetbootin every time >.< |
| 22:09.07 | Sevet_ | Peny: 1) use "su -" to become root 2) apt-get install sudo 3) usermod -a -G sudo $user 4) logout 5) login |
| 22:09.14 | Peny | oh now i am root |
| 22:09.15 | Dan39 | MrMonkey311: like if someone access any file on the partition? |
| 22:09.27 | Dan39 | sounds silly |
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| 22:10.01 | m00n | Hes trying to hide his pr0n dan39 |
| 22:10.09 | MrMonkey311 | Dan39, security is never silly is it? |
| 22:10.19 | Dan39 | that doesnt seem like security |
| 22:10.20 | m00n | Pr0nsec |
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| 22:10.31 | Dan39 | security would be doing proper permissions so they cant access it |
| 22:10.41 | MrMonkey311 | now now. I wear my pr0n right on my sleeve btw |
| 22:10.47 | rryoumaa | m00n: debian is intended not to be limited by purpose |
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| 22:11.05 | MrMonkey311 | I want them to access it just fine. however I would like to know :) |
| 22:11.08 | m00n | What are you referring to? |
| 22:11.09 | Sevet_ | MrMonkey311: perhaps auditd and its reporting tools |
| 22:11.11 | Dan39 | o |
| 22:11.13 | Dan39 | lol |
| 22:11.36 | thingy | MrMonkey311: Either inotify-watcher or auditd will do what you ask: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/62149 http://linux.die.net/man/1/inotifywatch |
| 22:11.55 | m00n | Thingy about to boot into jessie |
| 22:12.17 | MrMonkey311 | sweet, thanx thingy |
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| 22:12.46 | m00n | And it worked. Fuck, why didnt it do that the first damn time |
| 22:13.44 | Peny | I'm in trouble with myself I'm not in the sudoers file. " This incident will be reported. " it is warning me :D |
| 22:13.53 | thingy | fishcooker: ? are you sticking around for me to provide you an answer? |
| 22:14.03 | Sevet_ | Peny: which is why i said to add your user to the sudo group |
| 22:14.04 | fishcooker | yes |
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| 22:14.13 | fishcooker | thingy: still waiting mode ON |
| 22:14.18 | Sevet_ | Peny: which the default sudoers file grants permission to |
| 22:14.24 | thingy | fishcooker: glad to hear it: du -h -t 700M /mount/point/for/your/disk/drive |
| 22:14.40 | Sevet_ | Peny: use the 'id' command to see what groups you're logged in as, and check you logged out and in again to pick up the new group |
| 22:14.42 | thingy | fishcooker: where -t = threshold size |
| 22:15.14 | fishcooker | WHAT is the mount/point/for/your/disk/drive.. is it the source? |
| 22:15.44 | thingy | fishcooker: no its the path to your disk drive...if your disk drive is mounted at /mnt/disk1 etc. then it would be /mnt/disk1 |
| 22:16.04 | m00n | How big should / be given that /home /usr /etc and /var will all have their own partitions? |
| 22:16.05 | thingy | fishcooker: see the mount command to find out which disk you wanted to query |
| 22:16.12 | Peny | i went out of the regular login and back to root, then usermod -a -G sudo $myname hey, was it the $ ? |
| 22:16.31 | fishcooker | "-t 700M" is it work the same for "-t 700000K"? |
| 22:16.41 | Peny | it's telling me about the usage of usermod each time |
| 22:16.46 | thingy | m00n: /etc can't be in its own partition i think |
| 22:17.25 | thingy | fishcooker: yes because we passed the -h parameter before the -t which means you can use: "-t 700k or -t 700G or -t 700T" etc. |
| 22:17.26 | Peny | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 22:17.43 | m00n | Really? Why would that be? Its post-boot settings |
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| 22:18.32 | Peny | ah! got it |
| 22:18.47 | thingy | m00n: you will need to do additional work for it to work: e.g. http://power-of-linux.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/booting-with-etc-in-separate-partition.html |
| 22:19.13 | m00n | Yeah its fine, i just looked it up, had some things confused |
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| 22:20.07 | Peny | WooHoo, I switch off the server. (now I just have to remember what I switched it off for, I forgot now) |
| 22:20.46 | fishcooker | when i see the manual of du there is no -t option there? |
| 22:20.48 | Sevet_ | peny: yea sorry, $myname would be a variable... i meant it like usermod -a -G sudo <insertyourusernamehere> :) |
| 22:20.49 | m00n | The /etc and /usr directories have to be on /, but /usr/local can be its own. Thats where most packages are installed to, correct? |
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| 22:21.12 | fishcooker | afaik it refer to the time thingy |
| 22:21.22 | Peny | that's cool, I caught on :) |
| 22:21.31 | thingy | fishcooker: odd which version of debian have you got installed? |
| 22:22.01 | m00n | Id also mention that im running ssd/hdd and sidebyside with a windows 7 ultimate install |
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| 22:23.34 | Peny | ooh, oow, spiderman just fell... that time he lost his powers... owch |
| 22:23.47 | thingy | fishcooker: du is part of coreutils package and I'm using jessie (testing) which has version 8.21-1 which does have a -t parameter. Wheezy (stable) has version 8.13-3.5 and i don't know whether it has a -t parameter |
| 22:24.43 | thingy | Peny: Scientifically accurate spiderman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnE3uyj9Grg :-) |
| 22:25.58 | fishcooker | is it ok to install it from source? afaik there is no package du on debian |
| 22:26.11 | thingy | fishcooker: du is part of coreutils package |
| 22:26.38 | fishcooker | ok thankyou.. its an old debian FYI :-( |
| 22:27.06 | thingy | fishcooker: ok there might be other ways of getting the info, do you have perl installed? |
| 22:27.37 | Peny | against my better instincts i'm downloading that vid thingy :D |
| 22:27.54 | Peny | I expect to chastise you shortly when i get a look at it :D |
| 22:28.04 | thingy | Peny: it will ruin spiderman for you |
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| 22:28.35 | Peny | should i not watch it ? |
| 22:28.35 | fishcooker | yes perl of course |
| 22:28.38 | Peny | is it rude ? |
| 22:28.49 | thingy | Peny: sort of...don't watch it |
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| 22:29.04 | fishcooker | because we use it for some bandwidth script here thingy |
| 22:29.20 | Peny | hmmm |
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| 22:30.40 | jhutchins | fishcooker: What release of debian? du goes back to unix/posix afik. |
| 22:30.43 | Peny | how do i change the owner or permissions or whatever it is so i can write onto the USB I just put into this machine? I want to copy onto it, but it read only atm |
| 22:31.04 | Peny | i done it before, but always ergh |
| 22:31.53 | Peny | wait, open as admin... |
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| 22:32.19 | fishcooker | but here is perl 5.10 thingy |
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| 22:33.17 | Peny | i open it as administrator, but i still can't paste into it, or change permissions? |
| 22:33.24 | Peny | or did i change permission wrong |
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| 22:35.57 | MrMonkey311 | is there a way to override the driver used, to change my ethernet from a 64 bit driver to the 32 bit version? hypothetically (by 'way' I mean without having to like, recompile a kernel). should this ever be done? |
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| 22:36.07 | thingy | fishcooker: ok am still testing if this code works...but here is something which looks promising for your needs: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-find-directories-over-certain-size |
| 22:36.24 | jhutchins | !usb-perms |
| 22:36.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-perms is check out the usb-perms package to be able control the permissions on usb devices |
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| 22:37.10 | thingy | fishcooker: it works fine :-) |
| 22:37.38 | jhutchins | Peny: Is it ntfs? |
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| 22:37.48 | thingy | fishcooker: its using du as well but without relying on its -t parameter |
| 22:39.24 | thingy | MrMonkey311: What was reason behind that driver 32bit/64bit question? |
| 22:39.36 | Peny | i think it fat |
| 22:39.46 | Peny | but it was an iso for net install |
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| 22:40.04 | Peny | i want to add to it the other packages i want after install is done, |
| 22:40.06 | fishcooker | i think it is important to make update frequently.. but i think now it's late :-( |
| 22:40.06 | fishcooker | how about this scenario thingy i see there is flag --time .. i think the folders created 1 month ago, thingy |
| 22:40.17 | fishcooker | before i go far with perl script |
| 22:40.28 | Peny | Debian 7.1.0 amd64 1 |
| 22:41.14 | thingy | fishcooker: sure if you think a time period will provide the result you want then go that way...your original requirement was for folder size > 700MB. |
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| 22:41.44 | thingy | fishcooker: and what was the meaning behind "make update frequently" ? |
| 22:41.59 | thingy | fishcooker: is this not a one time activity? |
| 22:42.10 | MrMonkey311 | thingy, I've used 32 bit OSes and 64 bit OSes on this box. the 64 bit ones always have flakey internet and - AND...- actually crash my router |
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| 22:43.11 | MrMonkey311 | the offender is called nvidia MCP61 Ethernet (rev 2a) |
| 22:43.29 | fishcooker | *update new version of debian release thingy |
| 22:44.00 | thingy | MrMonkey311: the architecture of the OS should not affect the underlying network communication unless the drivers are inherently unstable/bad. Ah the nvidia nforce chipset. sigh. I struggled with the ethernet on the nforce chipset too. Indeed I found that under load the ethernet card would drop packets. |
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| 22:46.28 | thingy | MrMonkey311: sad to see that the forcedeth driver is still flaky in 2013. http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=140556 |
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| 22:48.44 | thingy | MrMonkey311: Are you using the noapic kernel boot time option? http://www.icurtain.co.uk/125_Nvidia_MCP61_noapic_linux_network_card_bug |
| 22:49.00 | Peny | I think the whole read only install disk is some kind of prank to play on people. I google heaps, but it all look like it can't be fixed or something, and some of the stuff they say to do looks like pranking |
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| 22:49.33 | MrMonkey311 | thingy, oh well I'm not rdy to troubleshoot. I guess I was curious about a quicky way to swap betw drivers available in the system (I'm inducing that two separate versions do exist, and the 64 bit variant is inherently bad and the 32 one isn't; though I don't know offhand that the 32 bit one can be found from debian) |
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| 22:50.27 | magnulu | hello! after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy I keep getting these errors from cron: http://pastie.org/8337369 - am I missing some package(s)? which one.. can't figure it out |
| 22:50.33 | naptastic | Running Wheezy, the Unicode "Look of Disapproval" doesn't render correctly anywhere on my system. Is there a way to fix it? |
| 22:50.36 | thingy | MrMonkey311: short answer no there is no way to swap drivers like the way you are thinking... a driver = a kernel module(or maybe its built into the kernel) is tied to the kernel it was built for. |
| 22:50.52 | nekomaj | hola, is there a way to list all avaiable kernel modules? i need to load one but cant remember the name |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | magnulu: is php5-mysql intsalled? |
| 22:51.17 | Sevet | magnulu: do you have php5-mysql installed (dpkg -l php5-mysql) |
| 22:51.23 | MrMonkey311 | grunts |
| 22:52.07 | thingy | MrMonkey311: Get a cheap ethernet card and forget about using the built in network port. It will save you some frustration. |
| 22:52.11 | naptastic | magnulu, Find your system php.ini file. It is probably trying to load modules from the wrong extension directory. You may need to remove php.ini and put one in that matches the newly-installed version of PHP. |
| 22:52.23 | thingy | MrMonkey311: I swore never to buy nforce ever again |
| 22:52.32 | MrMonkey311 | and the command for finding out my boot params again is? :) |
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| 22:53.11 | thingy | MrMonkey311: dmesg | grep "Command line" |
| 22:53.12 | xand | nekomaj: well you can look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers |
| 22:53.17 | naptastic | MrMonkey311, cat /proc/cmdline |
| 22:53.37 | Peny | scientifically accurate spiderman eh... well. hmm. |
| 22:53.41 | Peny | i seen it now |
| 22:53.48 | thingy | MrMonkey311: naptastic's method is more reliable |
| 22:53.52 | Peny | is ok, i can still watch the movie |
| 22:53.59 | thingy | Peny: lol |
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| 22:54.04 | MrMonkey311 | cool. thanks guys I learned a lot! |
| 22:54.22 | naptastic | MrMonkey311, :-D |
| 22:54.23 | Peny | mad magazine did the web out of newmans butt joke b4 |
| 22:54.42 | Peny | other stuff...weird |
| 22:54.49 | magnulu | abrotman / Sevet : it was not installed.. have installed it now, let me see if things work out.. thanks! |
| 22:55.14 | magnulu | naptastic: could that still be the case? considering that I was missing php5-mysql |
| 22:55.31 | Peny | i still don't get the read-only joke on the install iso/usb. no matter how much i read |
| 22:55.47 | naptastic | magnulu, absolutely. What version of PHP do you have installed? |
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| 22:56.05 | abrotman | magnulu: just test your script now, see if it errors |
| 22:56.16 | naptastic | magnulu, 20100525 is the API string for version 5.4.x. |
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| 22:57.01 | abrotman | judd: versions php5-mysql |
| 22:57.02 | judd | Package: php5-mysql on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; jessie: 5.5.3+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.3+dfsg-1 |
| 22:57.58 | thingy | Peny: I missed the description of the issue. What was the problem? |
| 22:58.15 | nekomaj | xand, strange solution but ok thx |
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| 22:58.41 | magnulu | naptastic: running 5.4.4-14+deb7u4 - will check your suggestion |
| 22:59.05 | abrotman | magnulu: just try to run the script .. |
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| 22:59.19 | GlenK | hi. is there a way to tell when exactly a particular package was installed? |
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| 22:59.51 | naptastic | magnulu, oh, I just realized you're looking for mysqli, not mysql. Those are different :-D Try installing php5-lib-mysqli (or similar) |
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| 23:01.26 | magnulu | abrotman: abrotman: I am not sure how to do it.. this is some stuff from crontab.. when I try to run the command from the mail subject it simply puts out "24" and exits.. not sure if that is the desired result :-) |
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| 23:01.43 | magnulu | abrotman: I did not run the script by hand before installing php5-mysql |
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| 23:02.01 | abrotman | magnulu: but it doesn't error ? |
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| 23:03.00 | thingy | GlenK: /var/lig/dpkg/info/$packagename.list is created when the package is installed (and not modified afterwards) or you look at the /var/log/apt/history.log or /var/log/aptitude.log files to search for the package and find when it was installed. I don't see any tool which provides this information so far. |
| 23:03.09 | magnulu | abrotman: no.. but it will run from cron again in about 10 minutes, I will be 100% sure then |
| 23:03.13 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:03.36 | magnulu | naptastic: I'll wait and see if what I have done so far has helped, then try your suggestion |
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| 23:05.54 | Peny | thingy, i downloaded netinstaller and put it onto a usb memory stick (16GB I think) I used it ok to install debian on the empty box (though I worry cause it downloaded a lot of files, and i don't have copies of those files if i need to install it again, but that is not the problem) I want to install other software now, I have a tar.gz but i can't put it onto that usb drive to take it across the room, cause the usb is read only |
| 23:06.14 | Peny | i read a lot but cannot find out how to change the usb from read only to write on it |
| 23:06.40 | MrMonkey311 | soo, anybody here who likes to use gimp? |
| 23:06.42 | jhutchins | Peny: Why not transfer it with scp? |
| 23:06.50 | Peny | i open (i think nautilus) window for the drive as SU, but still, it tells me i can't do anything with it |
| 23:06.57 | thingy | Peny: ok, what is the usb device mounted as? i.e. paste bin out of mount command |
| 23:07.09 | abrotman | MrMonkey311: there's a #gimp |
| 23:07.20 | jhutchins | The drive is probably an iso filesystem and inherently RO. |
| 23:07.26 | Peny | (grumble) you have to come up with a perfectly logical other answer don't you ;) yeah, you right scp |
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| 23:08.02 | Peny | (ro,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500,uhelper=udisks2) |
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| 23:08.17 | thingy | jhutchins: is unetbootin is used, it lays out the files from the iso into the fat/fat32 file system and these can be edited at will |
| 23:08.21 | Peny | is that what you mean |
| 23:08.36 | thingy | Peny: there you got, the first three character should that the device is mounted as read only |
| 23:08.58 | thingy | Peny: sorry, i meant...the first three characters show that the device is mounted read only |
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| 23:09.10 | m00n | Where does apt store stuff? Obviously the applications go to /usr usually, but where do the packages and such go? |
| 23:09.36 | Peny | I need to start a new project, to build a time machine, to go back to the early 90's and kill who I have to, so that AMIGADOS takes over and becomes the dominant Operating system, preferably the only operating system actually. can I do that ? |
| 23:09.52 | thingy | Peny: what is the mount point for the device? |
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| 23:10.19 | Peny | the usual place... |
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| 23:10.37 | Peny | /media/somename/volumename |
| 23:10.46 | mtn | Mo0O: /var/apt/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:11.04 | MrMonkey311 | buuut would it kill ya to say "I like using gimp"? |
| 23:11.24 | thingy | Peny: Try "sudo mount -o remount,rw /media/somename/volumename" |
| 23:11.38 | naptastic | Thanks for the help guys/girls. :-) Have a good one. |
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| 23:11.45 | mtn | MrMonkey311: it does what it is designed to do. does that help? |
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| 23:12.27 | MrMonkey311 | my social ambitions are quashed! |
| 23:12.40 | thingy | m00n: the deb files are in /var/cache/apt/archives and the other apt files are in /var/lib/apt. Is that what you wanted to know? |
| 23:12.44 | Peny | mount: warning: /media/palz9000/Debian 7.1.0 amd64 1 seems to be mounted read-only. |
| 23:12.49 | Peny | it is still ro |
| 23:13.09 | m00n | Yes, thank you |
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| 23:13.33 | Peny | type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 23:13.33 | m00n | Im putting var on the spinning disk |
| 23:13.40 | Peny | the filesystem is unusual |
| 23:13.46 | Peny | it's a cd filesystem maybe |
| 23:13.53 | abrotman | MrMonkey311: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 23:13.59 | mtn | Peny: is you want to use it for something other than an install stick, you can reformat it |
| 23:14.04 | mtn | is/if |
| 23:14.53 | magnulu | abrotman: does not seem to error now.. thank you very much! |
| 23:14.54 | Peny | can i use it for both install, and to store the packages that i already download before, the ones i will install onto the blank system, so that i don't download them again (which takes ages) |
| 23:15.10 | Peny | i like to use it to install, but also to store. |
| 23:15.17 | thingy | Peny: what did you use to prepare the usb stick? |
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| 23:15.47 | Peny | cat |
| 23:15.57 | abrotman | magnulu: enjoy |
| 23:16.01 | Peny | cat isofile > usbdevice i think |
| 23:16.04 | mtn | Peny: it is possible to do that, but not the way you made it. |
| 23:16.17 | Peny | oh |
| 23:16.24 | thingy | Peny: Are you on Windows at the moment? |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | Peny: unless your internet is very slow or metered, probably not worth it |
| 23:16.55 | Peny | i think i better just look for a spare usb somewhere and continue with my life, assuming it is the filesystem making the computer think it is a plastic cd I have jammed into the usb port |
| 23:17.03 | Peny | windows ? never ! |
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| 23:17.10 | Peny | it is both |
| 23:17.36 | thingy | Peny: in any case, if you use UNetbootin to setup the usb stick, you will have a fat/fat32 file system which can be amended as per normal |
| 23:17.53 | Peny | install debian took ages, even though i not want gui, just ssh and basic server stuff |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | Peny: so you can just burn them to a CD or put them on another USB stick, put them in the /var/cache/apt/archives/ after installation |
| 23:18.02 | thingy | Peny: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:18.41 | Peny | what is the /var/cache/apt/archives/ for, and can i add things i would like it to install ? |
| 23:18.44 | m00n | If i have a /boot partition, does / still need to be bootable? |
| 23:18.48 | Peny | like so it will do it auto? |
| 23:18.54 | thingy | m00n: no |
| 23:19.06 | thingy | m00n: only /boot needs the bootable flag set |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | thingy: do NOT suggest unetbootin, it's a Piece of Crap that rarely works |
| 23:19.30 | m00n | Not true |
| 23:19.35 | thingy | abrotman: oh. not my experience with it |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | Peny: use the correct method to setup the USB drive, not unetbootin, unetbootin breaks 50% of the time |
| 23:19.41 | m00n | Ive had it work for me plenty of times |
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| 23:20.02 | abrotman | m00n: fine, when you sit in this channel and see 50% of the people say it doesn't work, then you can defend it |
| 23:20.17 | m00n | Abrotman probably more like 2-5% of the time, maybe more because of user error |
| 23:20.26 | abrotman | m00n: no, it's broken |
| 23:20.31 | abrotman | it's a pile of shit .. don't recommend it |
| 23:20.48 | m00n | Whoa dere buddy, getting a little heated r u nao? |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | if you can't use a real OS to write the image, use win32diskimager |
| 23:21.07 | Peny | i not sure the 'correct' method, i guess i would have to ask the 'right' person to know ;) I think long time ago I shove 2 CD into one CD drive, maybe i could put another partition on the 16GB usb stick along with the netinstall iso.. |
| 23:21.09 | abrotman | m00n: right, you want to recommend broken stuff .. |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | Peny: win32diskimager from windows, or use the method in the installatoin guide if you're on Linux (OSX has a different method) |
| 23:21.50 | m00n | No, i never said that. Im not recommending anything, im here for support myself. But unetbootin has never, ever broken for me |
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| 23:21.59 | abrotman | you're lucky, end of discussion |
| 23:22.28 | m00n | No, i read up on how to use it, i download my isos beforehand and i check them. |
| 23:22.37 | m00n | Thats not luck, thats skill my friend |
| 23:22.38 | Peny | Honestly, and I am honest here, i have only 2 new machines with windows running, and that cause i got them from the garbage dump. really, not kid you. also on laptop, but laptop is broken now, the other 2 or 3 machines all linux |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | m00n: clearly you're the only person that knows how to use it correctly .. you're a genius |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | Peny: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 or win32diskimager |
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| 23:23.56 | jcbjoe | any good front ends to cpu-frequtils .. i found one for xfce but it messes up my i3 desktop |
| 23:24.04 | Peny | i should install plants Vs Zombies onto the windows machine so i can play sometime, but it's bad to play the games. waste all my life on them sometime. |
| 23:24.16 | thingy | jcbjoe: ooh another i3 user. Howdy. |
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| 23:24.34 | abrotman | jcbjoe: i don't think for i3, but there are for xfce and gnome |
| 23:24.51 | jiohdi | uses i3 |
| 23:25.02 | abrotman | jcbjoe: apt-cache search cpufreq |
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| 23:25.32 | jiohdi | if you use i3 in float mode, the screen does not mess up |
| 23:25.41 | joelteon | apt-file search is returning no results for any pattern. i've apt-file updated |
| 23:25.45 | jcbjoe | hi thingy :P |
| 23:25.46 | jiohdi | or at leasts returns to normal faster |
| 23:25.58 | abrotman | joelteon: for which pattern? which version of Debian? |
| 23:26.12 | Peny | i think that that page is for make my own whole system, but i was to use the usb to install debian on server box. to do that each time i use it, that's all though. |
| 23:26.13 | jcbjoe | jiohdi: you mean mod+shift+spacebar aka float right ? |
| 23:26.20 | jiohdi | jcbjoe, yes |
| 23:26.20 | joelteon | abrotman: i just realized this is an ubuntu question |
| 23:26.22 | joelteon | sorry |
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| 23:27.09 | jiohdi | jcbjoe, I had the screen really mess up on a wine program, but it worked in float |
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| 23:32.12 | Dan39 | why does debian 6 xfce4 seem so much better :( |
| 23:32.23 | Dan39 | not just looks, but functionally |
| 23:32.53 | abrotman | than what? |
| 23:33.35 | Dan39 | debian 7 |
| 23:33.50 | Dan39 | debian 7 xfce4 that is |
| 23:34.11 | abrotman | you'll have to be more specific |
| 23:34.43 | Dan39 | dont worry it wont change, just more of a rant |
| 23:34.58 | abrotman | okay then |
| 23:35.01 | Dan39 | tho a more common rant i see from many linux users |
| 23:35.18 | jcbjoe | jiohdi: what do you use now for cpu-freq ? |
| 23:35.22 | Dan39 | mostly ones who actually try to use linux as a main desktop |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | is it specific to Debian, or XFCE4 in general? |
| 23:35.37 | jiohdi | jcbjoe, I dont |
| 23:35.40 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 23:36.03 | Dan39 | abrotman: i dont really know, all i know is the look and some things changed in from debian 6's xfce4 to debian 7's xfce4 |
| 23:36.25 | Dan39 | tho the rant is more general to modern DE's like gnome n kde compared to 5+ years ago |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | okay then .. /me goes back to watching the paint |
| 23:36.47 | themill | paints abrotman into the corner |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | goes to send make dinner, then send emails to themill |
| 23:37.52 | Dan39 | i remember debian was first GNU/linux distro i used like 8 years ago with gnome and kde and even on my p4 with 256mb ram it worked well, looked nice, and was able to do fancy stuff with compiz-fusion(or was it beryl at the time? i forget) |
| 23:38.21 | darsie | My disk is still rattling the whole time. |
| 23:38.39 | darsie | wtf |
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| 23:39.07 | m00n | So i have /boot, /, /usr, /var, /home, and swap. Should i have any other discrete mount points? |
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| 23:39.15 | thingy | jcbjoe: this is a small and basic cpu speed util: http://cpuspeedy.sourceforge.net/ Doesn't seem to depend on the cpu-freq user land tools as it uses the sysfs interface. |
| 23:39.32 | thingy | m00n: /tmp and /var/tmp |
| 23:39.50 | thingy | m00n: which are good to have since they are world writable |
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| 23:40.00 | m00n | Should they be on tmpfs? |
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| 23:40.26 | themill | m00n: it depends entirely on your use case as to whether that many separate partitions is worth it or not |
| 23:40.28 | m00n | Otherwise probably the spinning disk, right? Theyre written to wuite often |
| 23:41.16 | thingy | m00n: if you do make them noexec, you will need to ensure that the package manager remounts them with exec before installing anything i.e. http://serverfault.com/a/175953 . |
| 23:41.26 | thingy | m00n: /var/tmp should not be tmpfs /tmp can be |
| 23:41.54 | m00n | Ok |
| 23:42.13 | jcbjoe | thingy: thanks / tried it thought it was gui but its cli based / nothing wrong with cli but i was just expeting something else .. i was going to float it in i3 in a diffrent window but oh well / i already deleted it |
| 23:42.27 | m00n | And what filesystem should they be? Especially .var.tmp |
| 23:43.40 | thingy | m00n: ext4 should be fine. some people mount it as ext2 as there is less overhead but then having multiple file system modules loaded in memory doesn't make sense |
| 23:43.40 | darsie | how harmful can it be to kill gvfsd-metadata? It's trashing my disk. |
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| 23:45.22 | m00n | Ty |
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| 23:49.26 | zeta- | Hi, I'm a recent convert from Ubuntu -- weezy already seems more stable :) |
| 23:49.27 | zeta- | I'm trying to setup drupal -- has a db been created? or do I diy (myself)? |
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| 23:49.59 | fowlslegs | So if I add rw as a root flag in my kernel options and I am using mkinitcpio's fsck hook, can I remove rw from my fstab options for the root partition? |
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| 23:53.31 | thingy | zeta-: i think you have to create it. Can you run mysql and check? i.e. "mysql --user=your-user-name --password=your-password " and then enter "show databases;" |
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| 23:56.04 | zeta- | thingy: thanks, yeah I've tried -- none exist, but I wondered if there was one under a special user |
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| 23:57.50 | m00n | What is an efi partition? |
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| 23:58.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell m00n about efi |
| 23:59.24 | m00n | Ok, so why do i need an efi partition? |