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| 00:00.20 | fowlslegs | m00n: If your system uses UEFI instead of BIOS |
| 00:01.11 | m00n | Motherboard bios? Why would the installer yell at me about not having one, my system uses motherboard bios |
| 00:02.19 | somiaj | if you have very new hardware you may have UEFI instead of the old BIOS |
| 00:02.31 | fowlslegs | Did your system come with Windows 8? |
| 00:02.37 | m00n | How new is very new? |
| 00:03.06 | somiaj | UEFI has been around for multiple years now, but I'd say the last year or two it is becoming the standard. |
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| 00:03.39 | fowlslegs | If so you have UEFI, although the converse is not necessarily true. |
| 00:03.46 | m00n | I built it yesterday, its a z87x-ud3h mobo, a 4770k i7, two nvidia gtx cards, an ssd and an hdd |
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| 00:04.00 | somiaj | speaking of which I need to get a UEFI board just to play around with one |
| 00:04.01 | fowlslegs | Yes |
| 00:04.25 | m00n | But ive never heard of uefi, did not have a partition for it, and the windows 7 partition boots fine and such |
| 00:04.26 | fowlslegs | z87 based motherboards run UEFI |
| 00:04.38 | fowlslegs | You need a EFI partition for the boot |
| 00:04.51 | m00n | I did not have one before? |
| 00:05.02 | fowlslegs | It needs to be FAT32 formatted. |
| 00:05.11 | fowlslegs | What? |
| 00:05.29 | fowlslegs | Can you rephrase that as a statement? |
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| 00:06.11 | m00n | Im confused as to how windows boots without it, if i need it. |
| 00:06.31 | m00n | I did not have one before. That much i know. |
| 00:07.04 | fowlslegs | I can't answer your Windows questions, sorry. |
| 00:07.31 | somiaj | most likely windows is set up do deal with UEFI already. but now you know you have it you know what to research |
| 00:07.45 | fowlslegs | Linux systems require an EFI partition type ef00 formatted to FAT32. |
| 00:07.56 | m00n | Indeed |
| 00:08.20 | m00n | I cant make it first on the disk, will second work? |
| 00:08.21 | fowlslegs | You also won't be able to use GRUB, so look into gummiboot and refind. |
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| 00:08.41 | m00n | Wait.. No GRUB?? |
| 00:08.48 | fowlslegs | Yep |
| 00:09.25 | m00n | Why? |
| 00:10.00 | m00n | And why dont the install docs mention any of this! |
| 00:10.03 | m00n | ?* |
| 00:10.26 | somiaj | what is the difference between UEFI and EFI? because there is a grub-efi package |
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| 00:11.07 | fowlslegs | Actually GRUB is compatible |
| 00:11.35 | fowlslegs | You need to use dosfstools and efibootmgr though for compatibility |
| 00:11.48 | fowlslegs | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#UEFI_systems_2 |
| 00:12.09 | fowlslegs | I use gummiboot for my uefi system |
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| 00:12.36 | somiaj | you just have to make sure you use grub-efi and not grub-pc. Grub needs to be compiled to deal with it, hence the differnt packages |
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| 00:13.20 | somiaj | I didn't see gummiboot in wheezy, I did see efilinux |
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| 00:20.18 | m00n | I just rebooted and into bios/mbr mode to save my windows install |
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| 00:20.58 | m00n | Which, tbh wouldnt have been especially difficult to reinstall, but it took 6 hours the first time n idw do that again |
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| 00:26.46 | m00n | Yup, that was much easier |
| 00:29.16 | riceAndBeans | during install I am missing 'rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" ... I installed debian and then added the firmware.deb file from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek ... and it's still not working??? |
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| 00:33.25 | dw | hey. i need to rebuld python with a few compile flags changed, and ideally install this on the system. current approach is regexing 'python' to 'dpython' everywhere in debian/control, but that's already not enough. is there a better approach o this? |
| 00:33.47 | dw | literally flipping 2 config args, and would like to install the result with some suffix |
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| 00:38.10 | riceAndBeans | during install I am missing 'rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" ... I installed debian and then added the firmware.deb file from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek ... and it's still not working??? |
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| 00:38.56 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: what isn't working? |
| 00:39.22 | riceAndBeans | abrotman: wifi nic |
| 00:39.50 | m00n | 20:39 m00n Im having this issue where the debian installer says that none of the repositories are accessible, though i can ping (and get a reply from) all of them |
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| 00:40.18 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: did you unload/reload the driver? |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | m00n: ping from where? |
| 00:40.33 | Cylta | How to download packages from repo, sorted by popularity? |
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| 00:40.54 | m00n | From another term in the installer, alt f2 |
| 00:40.57 | riceAndBeans | abrotman: once i installed debian, i went to cmd and "dpkg -i firmware.deb" |
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| 00:41.48 | Th0masR0ss | riceAndBeans: this topic seems to have a good part about wifi and firmware-Realtek: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=106672 |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: do you have a USB stikc or actual CD ? |
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| 00:46.20 | riceAndBeans | abrotman: i installed it from a usb stick |
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| 00:47.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell riceAndBeans about firmware installer |
| 00:47.56 | riceAndBeans | abrotman: that didn't work either |
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| 00:53.56 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: then i'd imagine you need a newer kernel or noewer firmwrae .. do you have a wired connection available? |
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| 00:54.45 | riceAndBeans | abrotman: no. I downloaded the non free firmware from the link i proved. I clicked the link "all" and got the .deb |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: or you need a newer kernel or newer firmware |
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| 00:58.18 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: if you had access to a wired connectoin, we could probably do this easily .. do you have another USB drive perhaps? |
| 00:59.35 | riceAndBeans | abrotman: i could wipe the iso offf the usb. i have an external hdd as well. deb is installed on my system. no wired connection |
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| 01:01.25 | Cylta | what is the simplest way to make a offline repository, that I will able to use using bare apt or dpkg? |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | riceAndBeans: so you can try to grab the newer kenrel and firmware from backports |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | Cylta: what is an offline repository? |
| 01:02.06 | Cylta | abrotman: selection of *.deb files on my usb-stick |
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| 01:02.50 | themill | dpkg: tell Cylta about apt-offline |
| 01:02.52 | jeep | any of you use wget to recursively download files from a ftp im looking for a way to resume at directory 100_name_year instead of starting at 1_ when connection fails |
| 01:03.47 | themill | Cylta: there are a few tools already in existence to do this -- they all amount to about the same thing though -- some custom config files for apt to get info on or off a portable disk |
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| 01:09.34 | Ezequiel89 | hi, help |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | jeep: wget does have a resume/retry |
| 01:10.26 | Ezequiel89 | I have no audio in debian 7 |
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| 01:11.23 | xgley | Ezequiel89: https://wiki.debian.org/Sound |
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| 01:13.20 | jeep | abrotman, yeah it works .. however i have like 650 directories im searching for certain file types so i get to about 350 and wget fails/network issue ect. so when i restart wget it indexes starting at directory 1 on the restart |
| 01:14.44 | themill | jeep: can you use something other than ftp for this? It's the wrong tool for the job. Also lftp's "mirror" command is probably better than wget here |
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| 01:17.03 | jeep | has to be ftp as i am remote i will check out lftp i cant mirror the whole ftp its like 2-3 terrabytes i think |
| 01:17.39 | themill | jeep: sure you can't do this by rsync? Life will be a lot less painful |
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| 01:19.26 | jeep | im not real familiar with rsync i am only downloading files from company ftp named [Cc]ontrol.kmz like 30mbs spread amongst 650+ directories |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | why not just ask the admin ? |
| 01:20.13 | jeep | i would have to write them something that works on windows since our ftp is a windows server |
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| 01:31.29 | jeep | themill, lftp looks like it would work almost same as wget i dont see any options that would allow it to track its progress/stop/starts to have a resume point |
| 01:32.28 | themill | iirc lftp's mirror tries to compare directory listings (and timestamps) to work out where it got up to and what was not copied. |
| 01:33.33 | jeep | ahh ok if i get another failure ill switch to it |
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| 01:34.54 | themill | You really need a protocol that's smarter than ftp to do this nicely. |
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| 01:41.58 | srhb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:53.41 | jeep | srhb, newer kernels sometimes get updates .. have you checked into that? |
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| 02:09.17 | srhb | jeep: Hm, looking. I think I'm a bit confused over the versioning of this module. |
| 02:11.06 | srhb | It's weird, the module for the HBA seems to be ancient compared to upstream. |
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| 02:15.30 | srhb | I was hoping it would be a simple matter of upgrading that and then it would work. Bah. |
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| 02:34.34 | Ezequiel89 | I have no audio in debian 7 |
| 02:34.43 | Ezequiel89 | 00:05.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 02:39.08 | riceAndBeans | i was missing formware during my install, so I just installed the system and installed debian and the executed "dpkg -i firmware.deb" and my wifi is still not working? |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | we already covered this |
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| 02:40.54 | themill | riceAndBeans: do you know that this hardware actually works? |
| 02:42.15 | lns | riceAndBeans, look through /var/log for appropriate clues as to why your firmware.deb didn't seem to go correctly. |
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| 02:55.10 | Ezequiel89 | help! please |
| 02:55.17 | Ezequiel89 | I have no audio in debian 7 |
| 02:55.18 | Ezequiel89 | 00:05.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 02:57.06 | operhiem1 | Ezequiel89: What have you tried? |
| 02:57.13 | srhb | My SATA/SAS controller is spitting these out at rather high speed. If I degrade my raid6-array so it only has three disks, the error goes away. Any ideas?http://pastebin.com/A5QbAeVD |
| 02:57.21 | srhb | http://pastebin.com/A5QbAeVD - sorry |
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| 02:58.54 | module000 | srhb: which raid card and which driver is controlling it? |
| 02:59.13 | Ezequiel89 | operhiem1, install alsa-base |
| 02:59.17 | module000 | srhb: and if it's LSI *anything*, update firmware first. |
| 02:59.32 | operhiem1 | Ezequiel89: Did you check alsamixer? |
| 02:59.37 | srhb | module000: It's an LSI 9211-8i with a brand new firmware, mpt2sas is controlling it |
| 03:00.03 | module000 | srhb: what does lsiutil say the state of the array is? |
| 03:00.23 | srhb | module000: Hm, I don't even have that tool. Let me find it. |
| 03:00.41 | module000 | srhb: it's non-free, but it's your only option [i believe] to manage lsi controllers from userland |
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| 03:00.47 | Ezequiel89 | operhiem1, yes |
| 03:00.56 | srhb | module000: It's not in the repositories, is it? |
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| 03:01.15 | enthdegr1e | hello all |
| 03:01.32 | enthdegr1e | How hard is it to migrate Wheezy 32 to Wheezy 64? |
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| 03:02.02 | operhiem1 | Ezequiel89: I seem to recall running into the same problem when I tried to get audio starting from a base installation. |
| 03:02.20 | operhiem1 | When I did the desktop tasksel it included some other audio stuff and it worked - I don't know what. |
| 03:02.59 | enthdegr1e | NEVERMIND |
| 03:03.03 | module000 | srhb: no you need to get it from lsi if i recall. did this problem just start btw, or have you had it since your install? also..did you swap disks recently? you could be rebuilding(which shouldn't affect speed, but you never know) |
| 03:03.04 | enthdegr1e | neverfmind i found workaround |
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| 03:04.31 | Ezequiel89 | operhiem1, to do ? |
| 03:04.40 | srhb | module000: It's a brand new install. It is rebuilding, but should it should that error constantly? The whole system locks up ever time that error happens, which is about every 10 seconds. |
| 03:04.59 | srhb | module000: Also I found the utility. Now to figure out how to operate it. :-) |
| 03:05.39 | module000 | srhb: it definitely *shouldn't* cause it to freeze, but that doesn't mean it won't :) is there any chance the disk you are removing is damaged or malfunctioning? if so, that could be causing it to block like you are describing, and explain the errors in your syslog |
| 03:05.58 | module000 | srhb: when you get it running, choose the diagnostics option - it should give you some more details about what it thinks is going on |
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| 03:06.48 | srhb | module000: No, I've tried with several disks, it's just the "triggering a rebuild or resync" |
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| 03:07.02 | srhb | module000: Seems it's sas2ircu and not lsiutils for this card. Trying that. |
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| 03:11.40 | DaddySmash | I've been searching for a while, and I cannot figure out how to install Debian Testing. How can I install, and track Testing? |
| 03:12.12 | Cylta | DaddySmash: what about simply adding it repo and update everything? |
| 03:12.17 | gnarface | DaddySmash: in theory yes, on some days at least, but most people aren't that addicted to gambling and so install stable then upgrade to testing |
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| 03:12.30 | srhb | module000: Typical. It doesn't include a diagnostics function. Seems I'm rather out of luck. :/ |
| 03:13.07 | lleroy | I'm trying to set up a software raid in wheezy installation, but the size of the array is only 11TB. On the exact same server with the exact same drives, I got 13.5TB with the old Qnap software. It's 6 3TB drives in RAID5 with no spares. I guess theres a logical explanation for this, I just can't figure out what it is |
| 03:13.14 | Cylta | how does the apt-get update can read my custom Packages.gz? "apt-get update /folder/Packages.gz"? or something else? |
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| 03:13.54 | DaddySmash | I found some directions to change 'wheezy' to 'testing' in sources.list, but it doesn't work. |
| 03:13.55 | module000 | srhb: i wish i had better help for you :( i've had some LSI issues at work, but so far flashing the latest firmware has cleared them up for me |
| 03:14.10 | srhb | module000: Thanks a lot for trying. I'll keep on digging a bit. |
| 03:14.20 | module000 | srhb: as a last resort...you could pass through the disks and software raid them, but that just works around the problem and doesn't solve it for you |
| 03:14.29 | Cylta | DaddySmash: it should.. check that that repository does have "testing" folder. or choose another one |
| 03:14.33 | module000 | no problem, hope something turns up that gets it for you :) |
| 03:14.38 | gnarface | lleroy: the usual logical explanation is either block size or they are both ext4 but one is reserving the default 5% blocks for root and the other one is not |
| 03:14.49 | mns | I have a small home network: a server (postfix, lighttpd, mpd, virtual domains), netgear wifi, vonage voip, hp printer. What's the best way to monitor and/or collect metrics on things ? For the most part, its the server I care about more than the voip or wifi devices, though if I can get information on them as well an added bonus. Nagios ? Icinga ? Cacti ? mrtg ? |
| 03:15.24 | gnarface | lleroy: if you have identical drives *and* identical partitions *and* identical filesystem/raid configurations... then perhaps you've found something very weird... |
| 03:15.37 | srhb | module000: That's already what I'm doing. |
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| 03:16.32 | DaddySmash | How do I check repositories? Where would I go for directions for that? |
| 03:16.37 | Sakara | hi all I am trying get some some packages installed using apt. I am seeing that when downloading some packages it hangs on "waiting for header" |
| 03:16.58 | Sakara | I've tried to set pipeline-depth=0 and this has not changed the behaviour. |
| 03:17.17 | Sakara | Are there ways I can diagnose what its waiting on? |
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| 03:19.37 | rryoumaa | do a lot of people use apt-transport-https? does it work well? |
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| 03:20.42 | sistematico | Hello all. |
| 03:21.09 | themill | rryoumaa: it's unlikely to be used that much -- it doesn't really offer anything |
| 03:21.16 | sistematico | I have a VPS with only one fixed IP, is there any way to point a domain to this VPS using BIND? |
| 03:21.25 | themill | DaddySmash: "check"? |
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| 03:27.05 | lleroy | gnarface - i didn't consider the 5%, but I can't seem to edit the partition that was made. Also, it looks like 2.2TB of each drive goes to RAID, so the size should be closer to about 13.2TB. but shouldn't the total raid size be reflected in the partition table regardless of the 5% reserved space (if it's that)? |
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| 03:30.08 | gnarface | lleroy: i am sorry i shouldn't have bothered to answer you and give you the impression i'd be able to help any further beyond that. |
| 03:30.36 | gnarface | lleroy: i was just "shooting in the dark" (an merican colloquialism) |
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| 03:31.27 | lleroy | no problem. thanks anyway |
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| 03:33.13 | gnarface | lleroy: you're sure they are *identical* drives by make&model#, not just label specs, right? |
| 03:33.40 | gnarface | lleroy: i'm just too drunk to do the math on 5% of 13.2TB |
| 03:33.44 | Dan39 | omg since when can NX/x2go does full desktop sharing D: why the hell have i been using vnc when i wanted to share |
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| 03:34.36 | gnarface | lleroy: but if you bought 2TB drives from different manufacturers i'd be shocked if there WASN'T a size discrepancy. |
| 03:35.58 | lleroy | gnarface, yeah I'm sure. |
| 03:36.50 | DaddySmash | Maybe Mint DE would be better for me right now than Debian. |
| 03:37.05 | lleroy | 5% of 13.2 is 6.6TB |
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| 03:37.25 | lleroy | wait, that aint right |
| 03:37.30 | aypea[1] | hehe |
| 03:37.41 | aypea[1] | 660GB :) |
| 03:37.47 | lleroy | ^^ |
| 03:37.49 | aypea[1] | or .66TB :) |
| 03:38.03 | lleroy | yeah, thanks :) |
| 03:38.55 | themill | DaddySmash: I don't think anyone understands your question at the moment |
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| 03:39.34 | DaddySmash | Sorry. |
| 03:39.48 | DaddySmash | I'm too new to linux to know what I want to ask. |
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| 03:43.38 | DaddySmash | I'm going to find the link that discribes what I want to eventually end up doing. |
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| 03:43.55 | gnarface | DaddySmash: its ok people here tend to wait for you to ask the right question even if they know damned well what you need to know even when you yourself don't |
| 03:44.24 | gnarface | DaddySmash: i'm not like that. i'll leap straight to a conclusion, tell you the answer, then wander away before finding out if it was the right answer |
| 03:44.32 | gnarface | dpkg: tell DaddySmash about sources.list |
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| 03:44.36 | lleroy | lol |
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| 03:46.36 | lleroy | What is the "default" thing to do when it comes to a software RAID setup, when the OS is located on the same drives? like, should I make 1 RAID0 for the OS, swap etc and then a RAID5 for the rest? |
| 03:47.00 | themill | gnarface: oh? I was tending towards verifying that a mirror was ok or something... |
| 03:47.12 | aypea[1] | lleroy: depends. do you want to rebuild the OS on HD death? |
| 03:47.32 | DaddySmash | I'm trying to make a workstation like Yorik describes here: http://yorik.uncreated.net/guestblog.php?2013=201 |
| 03:47.43 | gnarface | themill: it seemed pretty obvious to me he just had no idea what a source was or how to view/change what he had |
| 03:47.45 | aypea[1] | lleroy: do you really need to speed benefits of raid0 over raid5 such that it would make your proposed setup worthwhile despite the risks? |
| 03:48.09 | gnarface | themill: i figured its best to introduce him to the canonical configuration file first, and hope he can read |
| 03:48.48 | themill | gnarface: sure. The fact that I have a terminal open with "./mirror-hash-checker ...." running in it probably colours my view here just now. |
| 03:49.42 | themill | DaddySmash: I don't think there's a reason to run anything other than wheezy to quite happily have a working debian desktop machine. (this is especially true if you're not experienced with debian already) |
| 03:49.43 | lleroy | aypea[1] - not necessarily. I was just thinking it was alot easier to just put everything on the drives i already have rather than going out to find a seperate drive for just os and swap. |
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| 03:50.07 | DaddySmash | I was able to change sources.list using vi, but I wasn't able to get it to work. According to the directions I had, I was to simply change every mention of 'wheezy' to 'testing'. |
| 03:50.31 | lleroy | and I have backup of everything I can't afford to loose |
| 03:51.29 | gnarface | DaddySmash: themill's comment is especially relevant since wheezy used to be testing until recently, and is now stable |
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| 03:51.58 | gnarface | DaddySmash: and i would have disagreed with him still until about 3 days ago when i realized wine 1.6 *can* successfully be compiled on wheezy in fact now |
| 03:52.14 | rryoumaa | why does a paused vlc take up 50% of cpu? |
| 03:52.22 | themill | DaddySmash: I guess my question to you is: why are you trying to make this change at all? why put yourself through this? wheezy is great release to be using. |
| 03:52.32 | gnarface | rryoumaa: vlc is ghetto |
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| 03:52.48 | gnarface | rryoumaa: very useful yes, quality controlled; no |
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| 03:52.59 | rryoumaa | gnarface: is that what ghetto means? |
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| 03:53.41 | zykotick9 | gnarface: re:vlc i'm not a fan. i use mplayer for "everything" ;) |
| 03:53.41 | gnarface | rryoumaa: here's what ghetto means: if you have a serious problem, check for existing bugs, and feel free to file one if you don't find your issue already reported, but expect that your only real recourse will be to upgrade or downgrade |
| 03:53.52 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 03:54.04 | DaddySmash | Wheezy has Blender 2.63a, but I need to have the absolute current version of Blender. |
| 03:55.01 | gnarface | DaddySmash: i'm gonna do it again; i'm gonna just assume my last answer was good enough and solved your problem (even though you report one way or the other) and jump to the next most obvious conclusion, then pass the buck off to the bot |
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| 03:55.29 | gnarface | DaddySmash: sorry i mean even though you *didn't* report one way or the other |
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| 03:55.39 | gnarface | dpkg: tell DaddySmash about backports |
| 03:56.25 | gnarface | DaddySmash: i'm also assuming you know that when the bot says "ask me about <something>" you know to "/msg dpkg something" |
| 03:56.39 | DaddySmash | I'm also going to want to install the current versions of Open FOAM, Elmer, etc. so I can learn open source engineering. |
| 03:57.02 | themill | DaddySmash: you don't need the latest and greatest versions of things to be able to use them and learn about them, btw. |
| 03:57.04 | DaddySmash | gnarface: I don't know . |
| 03:57.29 | gnarface | DaddySmash: ugh. i'm gonna pass on that last question. i never made one friend referring someone to the debian new maintainer's guide |
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| 03:58.03 | DaddySmash | I already can make photoreal renders using Blender. I'd like to be able to use Freestyle, which is only available on Blender 2.67 and above. |
| 03:58.44 | DaddySmash | Freestyle is for cartoons. |
| 03:58.47 | gnarface | DaddySmash: the note about backports (and the links you can follow through the other info nodes the bot has from there) is all you need to know to run bleeding-edge software on wheezy |
| 03:58.48 | themill | you should be able to backport blender as dpkg will tell you if you /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:59.17 | DaddySmash | How do I talk to the bot to get information? |
| 03:59.39 | zykotick9 | !tell DaddySmash about msg the bot |
| 04:00.51 | lleroy | aypea[1], I think i may have misunderstood what you said. If i have both raid 0 and raid 5 on the same drives, and if the OS is on one of those raids, I won't be able to easily recover if a drive fail, by just replacing the defective drive? correct? |
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| 04:03.29 | DaddySmash | Thanks for the information about backports. |
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| 04:05.19 | gnarface | lleroy: let me save you a LOT of trouble. 1) put / and your MBR on one single "boot" drive, with just the base operating system install and nothing else. 2) keep frequent backups 3) put your RAID array on *other* well-paired drives. do *not* attempt to boot from them, as tempting as this may be |
| 04:07.08 | gnarface | lleroy: if someone asks you which of those 3 points is most important, make sure you answer #2 even if you don't believe its true yet |
| 04:08.30 | nalkri | s/frequent/regular/ |
| 04:08.34 | nalkri | ducks |
| 04:10.14 | piedpiper | peter.m.christian@gmail.comKS",.nN`pH=tHSkJ#h@b\Q`@ |
| 04:10.37 | lleroy | yeah you're probably right. and a used 500gb sata drives goes for like $50, so might as well. thanks |
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| 04:10.40 | enthdegr1e | hello all |
| 04:10.56 | enthdegr1e | how do I let any user mount any drive? |
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| 04:11.42 | mns | enthdegr1e: give them sudo access |
| 04:11.56 | enthdegr1e | I mean, so that they have permissions to mount things |
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| 04:12.10 | enthdegr1e | without needing root permissions |
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| 04:12.46 | jeep | enthdegr1e, you can use udev rules to automatically mount everything |
| 04:13.26 | jeep | enthdegr1e, your asking is aspect to USB drives i guess ? |
| 04:13.59 | enthdegr1e | usb drives, usb hdds, loopback mounts, folder mounts, etc. |
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| 04:15.08 | jeep | enthdegr1e, this will take care of usb items http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/526 |
| 04:15.16 | enthdegr1e | jeep: thanks for the link! |
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| 04:18.45 | DaddySmash | Thanks for all the help. Have a good night. |
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| 04:21.46 | gnarface | assumes that means he guessed right about everything |
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| 04:29.25 | Cylta | !calc wget |
| 04:29.56 | Cylta | sorry |
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| 04:41.17 | n0c | how do i build an initrd after I build a kernel from the vanilla sources? |
| 04:41.35 | somiaj | n0c: what are you using to build the kernel? |
| 04:41.42 | somiaj | n0c: just 'make bzimiage' or something like that? |
| 04:42.14 | n0c | i'm running make deb-pkg now |
| 04:42.47 | somiaj | oh yea I forget that was now in the kernel. I think the initrd image is built when you install the package but I'm not sure |
| 04:42.51 | n0c | there is also firmware_install and modules_install avail |
| 04:42.56 | n0c | among others, but modules_install failed |
| 04:42.59 | somiaj | I haven't built a kernel in a few years, I use to make-kpkg |
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| 04:43.06 | somiaj | which has an initrd option |
| 04:43.23 | n0c | yeah i ran make-kpg last time but also didn't do the initramfs |
| 04:43.30 | n0c | i'll check into that once the compile is done |
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| 04:47.51 | somiaj | yea seems make deb-pkg is the suggested way. It should make 3 .deb packages and my guess is it is configured for initrd and will build that when it is installed |
| 04:49.54 | somiaj | n0c: found some docs, "the --initrd option is built into deb-pkg and it will always set up the hooks to delete and create the initrd image. so yea just need to install the packges |
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| 04:50.11 | n0c | ok cool |
| 04:50.14 | n0c | thanks a lot |
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| 04:50.52 | n0c | Linux pulsar 3.12.0-999-generic #201309180405 SMP Wed Sep 18 08:07:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:51.56 | n0c | i should have timed this compilation tho :/ |
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| 04:56.05 | somiaj | I think the last kernel I compiled was 2.6.something right before the 3.0 release came out |
| 04:56.11 | somiaj | then I got tired of keeping up with all the changes |
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| 05:00.18 | jcbjoe | does anyone else have issues sending to a debian mailing list ? |
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| 05:00.45 | jcbjoe | it came out like this even thought to: was right debian-kernel%40lists.debian.org@debian |
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| 05:02.13 | Dan39 | i am trying to use frotz to play zblorb game but it tells me "Fatal error: Unknown Z-code version" |
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| 05:04.04 | somiaj | Dan39: sounds like an error in the actual game file. I think there would be better support places for that issue than here though. |
| 05:04.20 | Dan39 | where? haha |
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| 05:04.29 | Dan39 | i believe it is a bug in frotz tho |
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| 05:04.34 | somiaj | ,v fortz |
| 05:04.35 | judd | No package named 'fortz' was found in i386. |
| 05:04.41 | Dan39 | ,v frotz |
| 05:04.43 | judd | Package: frotz on i386 -- squeeze: 2.43-3; jessie: 2.43-4; sid: 2.43-4; wheezy: 2.43-4 |
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| 05:04.54 | somiaj | Dan39: ahh that is why Idind't find it |
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| 05:05.12 | Dan39 | the game file is fine |
| 05:05.18 | Dan39 | it is old |
| 05:05.21 | Dan39 | and same oen all over the net |
| 05:05.50 | somiaj | well I don't see any bugs, you may see if frotz has any support. I did see gargoyle-free as an alternative player |
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| 05:06.17 | somiaj | but my suggestion would be go see if you can find support for frotz as you will more likely find someone who knows. |
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| 05:17.34 | Dan39 | grr |
| 05:17.53 | Dan39 | deb packages annoy me, takes too much work to modify them :( |
| 05:18.44 | aypea[1] | depends on how deep the mod is |
| 05:18.54 | aypea[1] | and how complex the source package is |
| 05:19.30 | somiaj | any binary package will take a bit of work to change compile time issues |
| 05:19.37 | Dan39 | didnt mean that |
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| 05:20.09 | Dan39 | meant editing source packages or creating my own packages |
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| 05:20.14 | somiaj | Dan39: debian is acutlaly quite nice for compiling your own binaries with out using .debs |
| 05:20.26 | somiaj | Dan39: you should look at stow to make your life easier if you like to compile your own software |
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| 05:20.42 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 05:20.58 | Dan39 | ive used checkinstall before, havnt heard of stow |
| 05:21.05 | somiaj | by default .debs will never mess with /usr/local so you put all of your source installs in /usr/local |
| 05:21.16 | Dan39 | yea i know, i do |
| 05:21.30 | somiaj | stow can manage /usr/local (to make removing stuff easier) and equivs can be used if you need to fool dpkg into thinking you have a depends |
| 05:21.43 | aypea[1] | has found making his own package pretty simple, though it's not a complex one. debian even provides a beginning template |
| 05:21.50 | Dan39 | yea |
| 05:22.03 | Dan39 | not as easy as arch tho :P |
| 05:22.38 | somiaj | aypea[1]: dh_make is so much better than it use to be. AT one time creating a debian/ dir was a pita. Now days a mostly empty rules file can be used with dh to do the work. |
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| 05:22.55 | somiaj | (in the basic cases that is) |
| 05:23.44 | aypea[1] | yeah. the higher up the compat level you go the sweeter things get. |
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| 05:56.21 | sistematico | What is wrong with this files: http://ix.io/89D http://ix.io/89E http://ix.io/89F ? |
| 05:57.22 | sistematico | Any help is welcome. |
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| 05:58.18 | nonconvergent | Greeeeeat. Linux games showed up on a Humble Bundle. There was a 64-bit.deb of Bastion on there. Except not really: http://paste.debian.net/42807/ |
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| 05:58.53 | aypea[1] | ah. heh. cute. |
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| 05:59.04 | nonconvergent | Why it wants so much i386 when it's already pulling ia32-libs beats me. |
| 05:59.25 | aypea[1] | it's because it's pulling ia32-libs. I'm betting it's dependant on thos other packages |
| 05:59.31 | aypea[1] | this is wheezy, right? |
| 05:59.35 | nonconvergent | Yeah. |
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| 06:00.39 | nonconvergent | At least ia32-libs is now a migration to multiarch package. |
| 06:00.42 | aypea[1] | yeah. it's ia32-libs pulling down a snotload of packages, emulating the gigantic package in squeeze |
| 06:01.16 | aypea[1] | you could make a dummy ia32-libs package and manually pull in just the packages you want |
| 06:01.38 | sistematico | Anyone? |
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| 06:03.46 | aypea[1] | can never remember the package that provides the capability to make dummy packages real easy |
| 06:03.48 | nonconvergent | sistematico: That tells us nothing. "What are you doing, what are you expecting, and what is actually happening" are the questions you need to answer. |
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| 06:04.54 | themill | aypea[1]: equivs |
| 06:05.02 | aypea[1] | that's it! :) |
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| 06:05.07 | aypea[1] | themill: thanks :) |
| 06:05.17 | aypea[1] | knew it began with e but couldn't think of the full name |
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| 06:16.20 | local | I am running ISC DHCP daemon as server on two hosts with master/slave configuration. They are sharing one pool as I know. The slave is down, and it seems he has reserved free adresses. Now only master lives and cannot lease IP-adresses, the error in log is "peer holds all free leses". How can I force master to take control ?? |
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| 06:21.15 | nonconvergent | Anyway to clear apt of that stuff it's currently waiting for me to -f install? |
| 06:21.42 | nonconvergent | And remove anything from bastion dpkg -i managed to install before fail? |
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| 06:25.58 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you can use aptitude search to find packages that have not been configured, and then remove them |
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| 06:26.30 | nonconvergent | somiaj: even ones brought in by dpkg -i? |
| 06:27.00 | joj | nonconvergent: yes. dpkg -r bastion ia32-limbo --- dpkg -I bastion_1.4-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb; dpkg -I ia32-limbo_1.3-1_amd64.deb --- look at the Depends: line and install all requirements with apt-get install, then dpkg -i your packages again |
| 06:27.43 | somiaj | nonconvergent: yes they all use the same dpkg database |
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| 06:27.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: try aptitude search ~b -- that should list all broken packages, one that need to be fixed |
| 06:28.30 | nonconvergent | None found after removing them. |
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| 06:36.11 | b0bbi10 | what's the debian equivalent to yum install kernel-headers to install the kernel headers? |
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| 06:37.58 | jelly-home | b0bbi10: the package is called linux-headers-amd64 or similar, depending on the debian architecture and kernel installed |
| 06:38.35 | Cylta | So... I've tried to download whole repository (with a script) but it banned me after 1gb. is it normal? so, they don't want me to download anything more, than a 1gb? |
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| 06:38.54 | jelly-home | b0bbi10: something like aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 06:39.04 | jelly-home | b0bbi10: why do you ask? |
| 06:39.38 | b0bbi10 | jelly-home: VMware Player is asking for the headers |
| 06:39.52 | themill | Cylta: what are you really trying to do here? |
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| 06:39.58 | jelly-home | b0bbi10: install build-essential as well. |
| 06:40.14 | txp | hi guys, I'm playing around with "Debian testing" on an old notebook of mine and I have problems with the graphic driver. I've installed the fglrx-legacy-driver because the notebook has a "Mobility Radeon HD 3450" build in... But it doesn't seem to work fine - dragging windows is very laggy and vlc has a framerate of like 1 ;-) Any thoughts? |
| 06:40.37 | Cylta | themill: make a copy of repository =) |
| 06:40.53 | Cylta | themill: last thing, that I need - is actually *.deb files itself |
| 06:40.59 | b0bbi10 | jelly-home: what's this package for? |
| 06:41.14 | themill | Cylta: why? from your earlier description, I thought apt-offline would do nicely |
| 06:41.37 | Cylta | themill: I want to store them too, locally. |
| 06:41.50 | Cylta | and store all of them. not just 4gb from dvd. |
| 06:42.11 | jelly-home | b0bbi10: a helper metapackage that pulls the compiler, C headers and some other useful bits in |
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| 06:47.03 | b0bbi10 | ok, good to know |
| 06:47.04 | b0bbi10 | thanks |
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| 06:49.54 | somiaj | txp: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and make sure you are actually using the fglrx driver and not vesa |
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| 06:50.54 | themill | Cylta: a caching proxy is normally better than a full mirror. You probably need less than 10% of one release let alone all releases and all architectures. |
| 06:51.38 | themill | Cylta: if you really do need a local mirror, then use a proper mirroring tool like debmirror to make it and make sure you feed it from a nearby mirror |
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| 07:07.36 | txp | somiaj: hmm the log contains "vesa" - but to be honest I'm too much of a noob to find out which driver is used. Would you mind taking a look http://pastebin.com/M5yX1GrL |
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| 07:09.08 | somiaj | txp: lines 297-302 give your issue. |
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| 07:09.58 | somiaj | something is wrong with your kernel module, did you install the dkms package? |
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| 07:13.06 | txp | somiaj: wow that was fast :-) yes I did everything according to https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary so I also installed fglrx-legacy-modules-dkms |
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| 07:14.24 | somiaj | yea there is some issue with the kernel module. don't have any advise except it isn't loading right |
| 07:14.39 | somiaj | have you tried the free radeon driver, it shoudl work for playing videos and 2d stuff and some 3d |
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| 07:20.47 | txp | I had some issues with these to i think but I'm not sure what it was - everything was a little messy the last days ;-)...I upgraded from stable to testing and I think i messed some stuff up. Well its my testing notebook anyway, maybe I'll just make a fresh install |
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| 07:20.54 | txp | thanks a lot! |
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| 07:25.03 | quinso | If I want to move from stable to testing, is it enough to replace wheezy with jessie everywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 07:25.27 | somiaj | quinso: yes, and have fun! |
| 07:25.52 | somiaj | quinso: don't expect security, or fast fixes. |
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| 07:33.13 | Speedfire | Someone is able to help me to install bumblebee correctly under debian Wheezy ? |
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| 07:35.26 | quinso | Do I need testing-proposed-updates for jessie? |
| 07:35.40 | themill | quinso: no |
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| 07:41.21 | somiaj | Speedfire: what do you mean correctly, have you apt-get installed teh package? |
| 07:41.48 | Speedfire | yeah I was triying to install it by apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus |
| 07:42.10 | Speedfire | but: unable to locate package |
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| 07:43.13 | somiaj | Speedfire: do you have contrib enabled in your repos? |
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| 07:43.46 | Rydekull | !bumblebee |
| 07:43.46 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:43.52 | somiaj | also looks like you have to have wheezy-backports enabled too |
| 07:43.55 | Rydekull | !wheezy-backports |
| 07:43.55 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 07:47.52 | Speedfire | SO I have to add lines in sources.list to install bumblebee nvidia ? |
| 07:48.31 | somiaj | yea you need to add wheezy-backports and at least include main and contrib (non-free may also be useful for other things) |
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| 07:51.59 | Speedfire | so I have add deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/wheezy-backport main contrib non-free but that doesn't worl |
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| 07:57.17 | themill | Speedfire: backports not backport |
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| 07:57.36 | themill | also there should be a space before wheezy-backport |
| 07:57.52 | themill | (what dpkg said earlier, really...) |
| 07:58.30 | Speedfire | yeah but I just forget the 's' on frenode but under the sources it's oki |
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| 08:00.49 | tdn | I have a media center machine and a NFS file server. Most of my media is on the NFS server. I would like the media server to be able to automatically mount some NFS shares on the NFS server, IFF the NFS server is available? Sometimes it is, sometimes it is not. It is not an always-on server. How do I accomplish this? |
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| 08:10.14 | errorist | hi guys. My var partition was written full because of " mei_me 0000:00:03.0: unexpected reset: dev_state = RESETTING" in /var/log/messages Writes hundreds lines each second... Anyone knows how to fix |
| 08:10.29 | grn | how can I apply changes in fonts.conf? |
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| 08:11.21 | grn | I made some edits but with no effect |
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| 08:12.48 | somiaj | tdn: well set up an fstab entry so users can mount/umount it, then maybe some cron script that checks if the nfs server is avialable and mounts the share |
| 08:12.58 | somiaj | tdn: I don't know of any tool that does this, there may be one out there already |
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| 08:19.03 | lotherk | tdn: maybe 'autofs' can help you with that in someway |
| 08:19.17 | tdn | lotherk, ok, will look into that |
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| 08:20.13 | lotherk | but what somiaj said works too. you only need a little bash script that ping -c 1 <yourserver> and if the return value is 0 (which means it's available), do the mount. |
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| 08:40.17 | errorist | no one knowing anytihng about the message that spams my /var/log/messages? "mei_me 0000:00:03.0: unexpected reset: dev_state = RESETTING" |
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| 08:52.42 | marone | Hello guys - I'm using Debian Wheezy with the MATE desktop and I want the computer to automatically login upon boot, but lock the screen immediately. What is a clean way to achieve this= |
| 08:52.44 | marone | ? |
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| 08:55.24 | themill | marone: you'd want to ask the mate people about that. Mate is not in debian (and it's the mate tools you're trying to configure in any case) |
| 08:55.40 | marone | themill: I see, thank you. |
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| 08:58.53 | Zharf | p |
| 08:58.56 | Zharf | whops |
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| 09:27.38 | Agiofws | hello i am using debian wheezy on which i have installed chrome buts as i can see chrome is not updated when i update my system regularly how can i update chrome ? why is it stable ? |
| 09:28.04 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.05 | D-Boy | can I get 'how many hours' a harddisk was 'on' ? |
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| 09:30.36 | maxyz | D-Boy: Mmh, check smartmontoold |
| 09:30.45 | maxyz | (smartmontools) |
| 09:31.44 | D-Boy | maxyz : Do you happen to know which command to output that information ? (I am using smartmontools) |
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| 09:34.34 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | D-Boy: smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 09:35.04 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | D-Boy: look for power_on_hours value, I guess |
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| 09:35.47 | D-Boy | w1ck3dg0ph3r : 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 3957 <== means 3957 hours ? |
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| 09:37.56 | jelly | D-Boy: correct |
| 09:38.02 | D-Boy | w1ck3dg0ph3r : on the 'not healthy' disk I have this : 9 Power_On_Minutes 0x0032 178 178 000 Old_age Always - 869h+52m |
| 09:38.17 | D-Boy | 178 or 869h ? |
| 09:38.29 | D-Boy | jelly : ah okey |
| 09:38.31 | D-Boy | thanks |
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| 09:38.36 | jelly | D-Boy: look at the parsed value on the right |
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| 10:35.11 | e0f | Hi all guys :) |
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| 10:42.03 | quinso | How do I install once chosen package from sid on jessie? |
| 10:42.08 | quinso | one chosen* |
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| 10:54.26 | ExeciN | I installed debian 7.1 (wheezy) (unofficial + firmware) on an external firewire 800 HDD. During the installation I had a CD/DVD drive connected on USB. Now when I boot without the CD/DVD drive connected, my external FireWire disk gets another identifier (!=sdb) and the boot process does not complete. Can I make the boot process a bit more dynamic and not specifically for sdb? |
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| 10:56.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell ExeciN -about uuid |
| 10:56.53 | babilen | ExeciN: You want to use that in lieu of /dev/sdb in fstab and grub config (google for that) |
| 10:57.32 | jelly | the weird thing is a fresh installation ought to already be using uuids in those places |
| 10:57.33 | ExeciN | babilen: I don't use grub to boot |
| 10:57.58 | ExeciN | I am using rEFInd to boot to debian |
| 10:57.58 | babilen | ExeciN: What do *you* use? |
| 10:57.59 | jelly | ExeciN: s/grub/bootloader/ then |
| 10:59.02 | babilen | ExeciN: I don't think rEFInd is in Debian -- How did you install that? *Why* did you install it? Did the standard Debian configuration work? |
| 10:59.07 | babilen | (or is it?) |
| 10:59.12 | Shi3A | hello everyone, what does it mean? http://pastie.org/8338568 |
| 10:59.48 | jelly | ExeciN: in short, pass root= parameter as root=UUID=blah or root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/blah instead of root=/dev/sdb2 or whatnot |
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| 11:00.57 | ExeciN | rEFInd is not in Debian. I installed it by it's img on my hdd and then used the remaining free space to install debian. I am using it because its the one that works with my macbook pro |
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| 11:02.44 | ExeciN | jelly: I think rEFInd does not currently uses my partition's uuid. I'll try and mess with it a bit and see if I can alter debian's boot command |
| 11:03.28 | babilen | ExeciN: Why don't you use the standard grub? |
| 11:03.56 | ExeciN | babilen: it does not work as expected on my macbook pro |
| 11:04.01 | babilen | (and I don't think that we can support refind, but UUIDS are the way to go) |
| 11:04.10 | babilen | ExeciN: grub-efi that is? What happens if you try? |
| 11:05.00 | babilen | I don't have a macbook (nor will I ever), but we might be able to help you sort out your problems with grub-efi rather than rEFInd (no idea where you would get support for that) |
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| 11:05.09 | babilen | brb (coffee) |
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| 11:07.32 | ExeciN | I could have rEFInd in my 1st partition, grub-efi on my 2nd partition (and the rest space used for debian). Then boot to rEFInd and use it to boot to grub-efi. I should have thought that before. |
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| 11:08.02 | jelly | what would be the point of that, tho? |
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| 11:08.58 | deanrock0 | hi, yesterday i installed kvm, set up bridge to get VMs on the LAN, and installed a few virtual machines. |
| 11:08.58 | deanrock0 | today, after reboot of host, guests don't connect to the network ... what could be wrong? |
| 11:09.08 | babilen | ExeciN: And you typically don't install a bootloader to a partition anyway (that is you install it to /dev/sda (e.g.) not /dev/sda1 or so) |
| 11:09.26 | jelly | ExeciN: just fix the kernel command line be on your merry way |
| 11:10.24 | jelly | babilen: I've had a Thinkpad once where specific MBR code had to be used and grub was chainloaded in pretty much the same way |
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| 11:10.50 | ExeciN | I just found out that refind uses the correct uuid to boot to Debian |
| 11:11.21 | jelly | ExeciN: what does the full kernel command line look like? |
| 11:13.03 | ExeciN | It looks like ro root=UUID=<uuidhere> initrd=boot\initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:13.58 | jelly | ExeciN: that's sane, then. it means something else goes wrong in the boot process |
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| 11:15.02 | ExeciN | jelly: you mean the problem is not my bootloader? |
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| 11:15.52 | antithesis | Hello |
| 11:16.18 | jelly | ExeciN: if the control is passed to the kernel and the initramfs image loads, yes, then the boot loader has done its job |
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| 11:17.18 | antithesis | !rollback |
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| 11:17.42 | antithesis | Does Debian provide rollbacks? |
| 11:17.49 | jelly | antithesis: no such thing, nope |
| 11:19.27 | ExeciN | If the CD/DVD drive is not connected to a USB port I am getting a lot of errors like: failed to execute '/lib/udev/udisks-part-id' 'udisks-part-id /dev/sdc4' : no such file or directory |
| 11:19.28 | jelly | antithesis: you can go and explicitely install a previous version of some specific package from snapshots.debian.org, but there's no infrastructure in place to automatically undo actions like package installations, upgrades or removals |
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| 11:21.02 | Raging_Hog | How do I start solr after installing solr-jetty? There are no man pages for solr, jetty, solr-jetty or solr-common and I can't find obvious startup scripts with dpkg -L. I can start jetty but not solr. Debian 7.1 |
| 11:21.11 | jelly | ExeciN: it's possible Debian's /etc/fstab is referencing that sdc4 |
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| 11:22.31 | ExeciN | I get the same errors for sdc1, sdc2 and sdc3 |
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| 11:24.32 | ExeciN | I am also getting a lot of cannot execute "/something/here" errors |
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| 11:39.01 | TTomiK | I have debian squeeze, how can I update to PHP >5.3.3.7 ? |
| 11:39.25 | cromag | what version is it now ? |
| 11:39.30 | TTomiK | 5.3.3.7 |
| 11:39.37 | cromag | oh, above.. |
| 11:39.41 | TTomiK | apt-get install php5 says newest |
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| 11:40.16 | TTomiK | of course without braking anything would be nice |
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| 11:41.21 | cromag | TTomiK: http://davejamesmiller.com/blog/installing-php-5-4-on-debian-6-squeeze |
| 11:41.40 | cromag | would be an option |
| 11:41.52 | TTomiK | thanks |
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| 11:43.17 | babilen | TTomiK: Don't do that ... Upgrade to wheezy if you need php 5.4. dotdeb's packages are of suboptimal quality and will cause problems in the future during upgrades (you also lose support from us) |
| 11:43.26 | ExeciN | Debian (on my FireWire HDD) does not boot if I remove my CD/DVD drive. (almost) everything in my /etc/fstab ( http://pastebin.com/xZaL1mk0 ) uses UUIDs. What could be the problem? |
| 11:43.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell TTomiK -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:44.13 | TTomiK | wtf... why the hell have IT guys installed an old debian |
| 11:44.38 | TTomiK | this is nice... god damn... :D |
| 11:45.01 | TTomiK | babilen: thanks for the heads up |
| 11:46.28 | TTomiK | oh well... I'll just setup a new virtual machine to run wheezy then :) |
| 11:46.36 | ExeciN | TTomiK: some things force you to use am older version. for example you can't (without consequences) have libdb4.8 (and it's derivatives) on wheezy |
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| 11:49.37 | tralala | is it possible to specify more than one address in interfaces? |
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| 11:52.17 | debianhelp | I'm trying to install the proprietary driver for my AMD Radeon HD 7000 series video card. I get this error: "fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers for 3.7 release. /lib/modules/3.10-2-amd64/build/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system." |
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| 11:57.43 | debianhelp | never mind, problem fixed with "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
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| 12:05.50 | mZbC1 | hi there |
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| 12:06.33 | mZbC1 | I'm trying to get Large Pages working with my java app, but because of ulimit memlock, I keep getting mixed results... |
| 12:06.57 | mZbC1 | ulimit -l (memlock) is defaulting to 64, and I want it to be unlimited all the time |
| 12:07.02 | mZbC1 | can you help me? |
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| 12:14.09 | Brigo | mZbC1: may be this can help you: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/large-page-support.html |
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| 12:17.19 | mZbC1 | Brigo: I already had success setting everything described. but the value keeps going to default again... Im investigating if it is something related to pam |
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| 12:18.25 | mZbC1 | for the record: http://www.usn-it.de/index.php/2008/10/12/memlock-config-for-debian-lenny/ |
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| 12:18.30 | mZbC1 | I think I solved it :) |
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| 12:34.37 | discovered | Anyone know my mouse run just faster suddenly if i scroll using mouse-wheel? |
| 12:35.20 | discovered | *why |
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| 12:39.59 | discovered | I am using USB mouse. |
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| 12:47.38 | Benkinooby | hi, i was wondering if this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en or this http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb is more valid. they suggest different ways to prepare an installation-usb stick |
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| 12:57.35 | jelly | Benkinooby: both cp and dd will work. |
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| 12:59.52 | Benkinooby | jelly: yeah, jsut found out (did the dd) |
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| 13:00.41 | Benkinooby | jelly: so in general. what's the general idea of wiki.debian.org vs debian.org/releases/* |
| 13:00.58 | jelly | Benkinooby: anyone can edit the wiki pages |
| 13:01.19 | Benkinooby | sometimes they seem to be a bit redundant, have slightliy different recommendations |
| 13:01.22 | Benkinooby | jelly: hm |
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| 13:01.31 | Benkinooby | jelly: so better stick to the wiki if the site is up to date? |
| 13:02.35 | jelly | I'd say stick to official docs and fall back on wiki for additional or missing information |
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| 13:06.20 | Benkinooby | jelly: heh - and how do i know when info is missing? anyway, thank you for the hint. i'll stick to it |
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| 13:25.16 | boudiccas | i've been looking at git, and i want to query whether *my* git is the same as yours, so logically 'git status' should work, but it doesnt. how can i query whether my git repo is as uptodate as yours is please? |
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| 13:28.37 | boudiccas | sorted, i was using 'git-status' which was wrong, it needs to be 'git status' when in your git repo |
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| 13:40.10 | darkskiez | is there anything inbetween upgrade and dist-upgrade, that will upgrade packages and install new ones, but not remove existing ones? |
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| 13:42.14 | jelly | darkskiez: dis-upgrade does not remove existing packages, unless they got automatically installed as dependencies |
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| 13:42.30 | jelly | (and are not needed any more) |
| 13:42.32 | themill | dist-upgrade will remove packages that are conflicgted with |
| 13:42.35 | themill | -g |
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| 13:43.01 | jelly | nod, but that almost never happens within a release |
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| 13:45.27 | darkskiez | i always peruse the output of apt-get -u dist-upgrade, it often wants to remove things that I dont want it to |
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| 13:46.09 | themill | perhaps you can pastebin the output and help us understand what you're seeing |
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| 13:50.47 | darkskiez | maybe it works better if you are not running a lovely sid/experimental mashup |
| 13:51.16 | darkskiez | ah, dyndns has just eaten my domain, damnit |
| 13:51.33 | darkskiez | they've lost another customer |
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| 14:08.06 | petn-randall | jaggz|2: I'm not aware of any that can do that. But XFS has pretty short fsck times, IIRC. |
| 14:08.27 | jaggz|2 | the problem is I have to down a live server |
| 14:08.59 | petn-randall | jaggz|2: I'd just schedule a downtime. |
| 14:09.22 | koollman | petn-randall: I wouldn't qualify it as 'pretty short' |
| 14:09.23 | jhutchins | jaggz|2: There will be downtime. There will be data loss. Our job is to minimize it, but we cannot eliminate it. |
| 14:09.43 | koollman | jhutchins: yes we can. but it's hard and/or painful and/or experimental |
| 14:09.47 | jaggz|2 | and it's remote server |
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| 14:10.45 | jhutchins | koollman: The sooner you accept that it can't be eliminated completely the better you can do your job. |
| 14:11.07 | jhutchins | jaggz|2: Do you have remote console access? |
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| 14:11.33 | jaggz|2 | through the hands of the hosting company only |
| 14:11.46 | jaggz|2 | they said they could setup a kvm switch if I needed it.. never used one. |
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| 14:13.20 | jhutchins | jaggz|2: I don't see how that would help. A professional datacenter should have equipment with RAC. |
| 14:14.26 | jhutchins | Dell has started doing something stupid with theirs: They provide a dedicated NIC, but unless you buy an extra "license" you can't use it, you have to use one of the regular NICs that's shared with the system. |
| 14:15.19 | jelly | jhutchins: that's simpler than having to ship extra part numbers |
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| 14:16.59 | jhutchins | I must admit there was a situation where we had the hardware on servers but never enabled it. |
| 14:17.19 | koollman | jhutchins: I do not have to accept it. I just know it is hard to do correctly, and expensive (in time and/or money) |
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| 14:18.31 | jaggz|2 | what's RAC? |
| 14:19.05 | bhuddah | dell remote access stuff. |
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| 14:19.25 | jhutchins | jaggz|2: Remote Access Console. Dell calls theirs DRAC. |
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| 14:19.44 | bhuddah | hp iLO, sun ilom |
| 14:19.49 | jhutchins | Basically redirects the physical console via Ethernet+TCP/IP |
| 14:20.22 | jaggz|2 | hmm.. the servers are 7+ years old |
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| 14:21.16 | jhutchins | See, Dell's acronym actually makes sense. "Lights Out Manager"? Who let the marketing guy in? |
| 14:21.30 | impaktor | I'm using debian with a graphics card Intel HD 3000, it works, but it is unusable for any kind of gaming. Am I correct in that xorg-video-intel only supports up to i915 (=very old card?), and does not support GMA HD aka HD 3000 cards? |
| 14:21.43 | jhutchins | jaggz|2: So no hardware waranty or support. |
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| 14:22.02 | jaggz|2 | not anymore no.. they raised the warranty rates up really high |
| 14:22.36 | jaggz|2 | I don't recall having a DRAC item mentioned in the system specs / invoice summaries |
| 14:23.05 | jhutchins | jaggz|2: One would expect that. No manufacturer's waranty any more, you're basically buying new hardware on an installment plan. |
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| 14:24.44 | jhutchins | Now a GOOD provider would have a portable KVM->Ethernet adapter they could plug in. |
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| 14:26.45 | petn-randall | impaktor: My HD 3k is doing fine, and is usable for gaming. |
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| 14:27.45 | impaktor | petn-randall: How can I benchmark my card? GLX-gears gives me 60 FPS. |
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| 14:28.09 | Goatboy | I am using two ATI HD5970 the repo drivers cause the cards to consume and extra 250 watts over the propriety driver eeeek |
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| 14:30.01 | jcbjoe | so i just changed to zsh shell .. its very intuitive |
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| 14:30.45 | icjs | jcbjoe, as a long-time bash user, ive been meaning to try out zsh. what are the benefits? |
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| 14:31.09 | impaktor | more bells and whistles. |
| 14:31.32 | impaktor | zsh can do more, such as better completions, etc. |
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| 14:33.03 | jhutchins | Goatboy: I would question your means of measuring that. |
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| 14:34.20 | omid8bimo | when i use sudo, im keep getting error "sudo: unable to resolve host dhcppc1", how can resolve this? |
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| 14:36.48 | jhutchins | impaktor: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_may2013_comparison&num=1 |
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| 14:38.05 | jhutchins | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:38.06 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; jessie: 2:2.21.15-1; sid: 2:2.21.15-1+b1 |
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| 14:38.25 | SuperLag | I'm currently an Ubuntu user. I'd like to try Debian, but I'm wondering if it's as slow to update as it used to be. It's been a long time, so I'm guessing a lot has changed. |
| 14:38.41 | jhutchins | impaktor: That should work with your card. |
| 14:39.00 | SuperLag | If a release exists that gets updates fast, but isn't as broken as an alpha... I'm looking for that version. Any recommendations? |
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| 14:39.12 | jhutchins | impaktor: You might want to make sure that i915 is loading in the kernel and that xserver-xorg-video-intel is what Xorg is actually using. |
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| 14:39.45 | jhutchins | SuperLag: Debian is not for you if you are insecure about the size of your version numbers. |
| 14:39.57 | SuperLag | haha |
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| 14:40.27 | impaktor | jhutchins: thanks. I'll have a look |
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| 14:41.00 | SuperLag | jhutchins: I'm not insecure about anything, really. I just don't want to be constantly fixing things. At the same time, it would be nice to have current releases of things like Python and Ruby. |
| 14:41.30 | jhutchins | impaktor: Here is the current list of features supported by the Intel graphics driver. Looks like most of SandyBridge is Complete. http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver/ |
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| 14:46.24 | module000 | SuperLag: you can try 'testing', or use stable+backports to get newer and less vetted software - if that is desirable to you |
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| 14:51.19 | q66 | hello, i've installed latest debian testing onto a new laptop I got; it has intel i7-4700MQ with HD 4600 graphics (also a discrete nvidia card, but i'm leaving that alone for now) - the installation went fine, and it boots, but as soon as it's about to jump to X it hangs there (the system doesn't react to alt+sysrq+r, alt+sysrq+s/b works) - any ideas? |
| 14:51.31 | q66 | xorg.0.log doesn't contain anything particularly useful (no errors) |
| 14:52.04 | q66 | i can boot into a single user mode and do stuff there (the console is in native resolution) |
| 14:52.12 | q66 | if i try startx from there, it hangs like on a normal boot |
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| 14:53.51 | bhuddah | q66: have you tried turning on debug logging for X? |
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| 14:54.44 | jelly | q66: too new gpu? Expect 3-6 months for video-intel and kernel support to stabilize, and probably 6-12 for it to get into debian unstable |
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| 14:55.45 | jelly | chances are your nvidia will work better at this point |
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| 14:56.16 | q66 | jelly, it won't, because it's optimus - no hardware mux |
| 14:56.26 | q66 | it outputs via the intel chip, offloading stuff onto nvidia |
| 14:56.30 | jelly | oh, crap |
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| 14:56.45 | jelly | I totally missed the "laptop" bit |
| 14:56.49 | charolastra | hi, pinging to the loopback/localhost should always answer, right? |
| 14:57.01 | jelly | charolastra: in general, yes |
| 14:57.22 | q66 | jelly, Xorg.0.log though says: intel: Driver for Intel(R) integrated graphics chipsets: ......., HD Graphics 4600, 5000, ....... |
| 14:57.27 | q66 | so my GPU is in fact in the list |
| 14:57.27 | maroloccio | i forget the name of that nice package-management GUI which allows me to search by keyword but also by "provides" and "depends".. |
| 14:57.40 | maroloccio | what was that gui package called again, please? |
| 14:57.46 | q66 | the console environment with kms etc works fine too |
| 14:57.50 | Brigo | maroloccio: synaptics? |
| 14:57.53 | q66 | so xorg hanging is the only issue |
| 14:58.17 | Brigo | maroloccio: synaptic |
| 14:58.27 | charolastra | where is the loopback device defined? can't be in the routing table |
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| 14:59.36 | maroloccio | found it: packagesearch (thanks guys) |
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| 15:00.12 | maroloccio | /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:01.00 | maroloccio | grep 'loopback' /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:01.14 | soomsoom | RTFM |
| 15:01.20 | soomsoom | man |
| 15:02.53 | Brigo | maroloccio: packagesearch is new for me. I will test it :-) |
| 15:03.22 | maroloccio | Brigo: it's awesome |
| 15:03.46 | charolastra | maroloccio: thanks, accidently there was no "auto lo" |
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| 15:08.30 | superlinux-hp | hi, can just someone who uses KDE tell me the path of the Konsole (kde terminal that's) in the K-menu? i am on gnome working on so many things. so it will take time to go back if i switch |
| 15:08.32 | maroloccio | charolastra: so, adding it has fixed it? |
| 15:09.03 | gerlos | quick doubt about cron. Is this the right way to run a script every 20 minutes? 20,40,60 * * * * myscript |
| 15:09.13 | themill | superlinux-hp: with apt-file, you can answer that question yourself |
| 15:09.27 | superlinux-hp | no not the file path!! |
| 15:09.43 | superlinux-hp | themill, i mean how you'd reach it. |
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| 15:10.22 | superlinux-hp | click on k-menu ->System? Utitlies? where? |
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| 15:11.54 | themill | Oh... Applications → System → Konsole. (I never use the menu much... had to search for it) |
| 15:11.59 | maxyz | gerlos: */20 * * * * is nicer |
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| 15:12.21 | gerlos | maxyx: many tanks! |
| 15:12.46 | jelly | q66: sadly, initial support ("in the list") is often buggy |
| 15:13.06 | q66 | jelly, i'm suspecting something else now |
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| 15:13.07 | yeehi | Which application should be used instead of TightVNC? I heard there was a better, more secure alternative. |
| 15:13.18 | q66 | that is, nouveau somewhat messing up my setup (it appears to be loaded) |
| 15:14.22 | charolastra | maroloccio: yes, without "auto lo" no pings come back, gpsd doesn't work on local host, etc |
| 15:14.49 | maroloccio | charolastra: then, add it :) |
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| 15:15.44 | charolastra | already did, now everything works as expected |
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| 15:16.12 | q66 | jelly, yup |
| 15:16.16 | q66 | removed nouveau, xorg started up |
| 15:16.33 | jelly | \o/ |
| 15:17.03 | q66 | apparently xorg was trying to force it through |
| 15:17.13 | q66 | even though there is no hw mux for the gpu, it's in the system |
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| 15:18.47 | q66 | now i have to upgrade xorg from experimental \o/ |
| 15:18.49 | q66 | that'll be fun |
| 15:19.11 | maxyz | yeehi: It depends on what are considering better. Using x11vnc via ssh is more secure than a tightvnc listening on the net. |
| 15:19.15 | q66 | (i need xserver 1.13 in order to get the dedicated card working, and jessie/sid have only 1.12) |
| 15:19.19 | msn | how can i force a package to compile with an option it was not originally compiled with. I am trying to make autofs compile with sssd, but the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b command keeps disabling sssd in the Makefile.conf |
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| 15:21.11 | maxyz | yeehi: freerdp is "better" in some ways, but there is no server packaged in debian. xpra is interesting also. |
| 15:21.27 | themill | dpkg: tell msn about debian/rules |
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| 15:23.19 | msn | themill: I already changed the debian/rules and passed the option needed, but instead of setting SSSD =1 in Makefile.conf it setups it to SSSD = <blank> and doesnt build the module |
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| 15:25.03 | yeehi | thank you, maxyz. |
| 15:25.13 | jelly | q66: back when I had intel laptop I used to (have to) mix and match kernel, xorg server, video-intel and mesa from literally every debian release, experimental was often on the menu |
| 15:26.10 | acsir | yeehi maxyz: freerdp (as well as rdesktop) are just clients application. On server side you can use just 2 protocols on linux: VNC or NX. |
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| 15:27.05 | q66 | jelly, ha |
| 15:27.16 | q66 | i used debian for a long time but never with intel gpu |
| 15:27.22 | q66 | and for like the last two years i was using freebsd |
| 15:27.31 | acsir | if you go for VNC x11vnc over ssh is save, for NX is really easy to use X2GO but the package on wheezy could have problem (I have used it just on squeeze as far) |
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| 15:27.42 | q66 | but it won't do on the new laptop because i couldn't get the nvidia graphics to work (no support for randr providers in nvidia driver) |
| 15:27.58 | jelly | q66: I have a newfound respect for evil closed source blobs that actually work |
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| 15:28.32 | factor | What module enables OV51webcams |
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| 15:30.24 | q66 | jelly, for some reason nouveau was screwing up shutdown as well :P |
| 15:30.50 | q66 | i just installed it back so that apt doesn't bother me with package sets being incomplete |
| 15:30.56 | q66 | but i put it into blacklist via modprobe.d |
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| 16:00.21 | jhutchins | !webcam |
| 16:00.21 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 16:12.44 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | hello all |
| 16:13.21 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | i have some probleme, my ralink 5370 usb wifi dongle, run, but i have very very slow connection |
| 16:13.34 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | my debian is wheezy |
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| 16:14.14 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | have problem with ralink and debian, or linux ? |
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| 16:16.20 | babilen | KamiKaze_Phoenix: I am not surprised, but a newer kernel is your best bet. |
| 16:16.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell KamiKaze_Phoenix -about rt5370 |
| 16:16.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell KamiKaze_Phoenix -about bdo kernel |
| 16:17.10 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | i use 3.11.1 |
| 16:17.41 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | ok ralink no good on linux |
| 16:17.43 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | yes ? |
| 16:17.58 | babilen | KamiKaze_Phoenix: Ah, well. That kernel isn't in wheezy and you didn't mention it, but yeah .. ralink (and in particular that chipset) are a pain. |
| 16:18.25 | babilen | KamiKaze_Phoenix: You do have the firmware-ralink package installed from experimental along with that kernel haven't you? |
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| 16:19.02 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | ok test firmaware from experimental if i can, i use arm system |
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| 16:20.07 | srhb | I'm getting "no such file or directory" when trying to execute a file. Supposedly I'm missing some multiarch stuff. How do I know which packages I need? |
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| 16:20.37 | babilen | KamiKaze_Phoenix: There isn't a firmware-ralink in experimentals, so you'd have to get it from either wheezy-backports (0.39) or backport it manually from sid (0.40, /msg dpkg ssb) |
| 16:20.53 | babilen | srhb: Run "ldd /path/to/the/executable" and show us the output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:21.23 | srhb | babilen: "not a dynamic executable" |
| 16:21.27 | JyZyXEL- | how do you create a dummy soundcard on debian? |
| 16:21.33 | Freeaqingme | Is it possible to seed entropy using SSH? |
| 16:22.00 | Freeaqingme | I'm generating some 1024 bit keys, but it's been taking for hours already |
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| 16:22.41 | babilen | srhb: That means that it is statically linked; what is this? |
| 16:23.10 | srhb | babilen: It's a package to update some firmware from IBM. |
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| 16:23.32 | babilen | srhb: What does file say about it? |
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| 16:24.13 | srhb | babilen: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped |
| 16:24.27 | srhb | So I'm guessing I need ia32-libs, but those are gone now. |
| 16:24.44 | babilen | srhb: Please also paste the output of "readelf -a /path/to/foo" and "strace /path/to/foo" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:24.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell srhb -about multiarch |
| 16:25.11 | srhb | I know about multiarch, just not what to do about it. |
| 16:25.43 | babilen | srhb: They aren't gone, but they are metapackages these days that install a plethora of i386 libraries (figuratively everything and the kitchen sink) |
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| 16:26.23 | babilen | srhb: you could start by enabling i386 and installing those packages, you could paste the output I asked about, you could not use that command ... |
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| 16:26.49 | srhb | Right, I am doing the pasting now :) |
| 16:27.06 | babilen | srhb: My educated guess is that you need libc6-i386 or libc6-i686 |
| 16:27.52 | srhb | babilen: I'd love to know how to determine this in the future anyway, so going the long route. |
| 16:28.15 | babilen | sure -- in particular the readelf output will be enlightening |
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| 16:29.17 | babilen | srhb: Oh, forgot .. you might want to pipe that into head and only paste the first, say, 1000 lines or so. |
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| 16:29.37 | JyZyXEL- | does debian even support having dummy alsa devices? |
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| 16:30.07 | srhb | babilen: readelf -a : http://paste.debian.net/43104/ |
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| 16:30.32 | srhb | strace: http://paste.debian.net/43105/ |
| 16:30.41 | babilen | srhb: thanks, lets take a look |
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| 16:31.31 | babilen | srhb: Check line 63 .. it requests /lib/ld-linux.so.2 there which ships in the 386 libc6 |
| 16:31.40 | babilen | judd: file /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 16:31.46 | judd | Search for /lib/ld-linux.so.2 in wheezy/i386: libc6: lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 16:31.57 | babilen | srhb: Well, IIRC, it is a symlink or something along those lines. |
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| 16:32.06 | babilen | judd: file /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --arch amd64 |
| 16:32.13 | judd | Search for /lib/ld-linux.so.2 in wheezy/amd64: libc6-i386: lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 16:32.31 | srhb | babilen: How do you know that's the problem? |
| 16:32.32 | babilen | srhb: So, start by enabling i386 and then install libc6-i386 |
| 16:32.53 | babilen | srhb: Educated guess, do you have that package installed? |
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| 16:33.16 | srhb | No, I don't, but I will. It just doesn't look like an error from the output, but then again I don't know how to read it. :-) |
| 16:34.18 | babilen | srhb: it's not an error per-se, but it is obviously not possible for it to find that and execution will therefore abort (i'll go an buy some biscuits and will be back in a few minutes) |
| 16:34.22 | babilen | srhb: Good luck! :) |
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| 16:35.02 | srhb | babilen: Success, thanks. :) |
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| 16:35.15 | sistematico | Hello all. |
| 16:37.02 | sistematico | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=107489 any help is welcome. |
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| 16:41.03 | JyZyXEL- | does the kernel still have the OSS api for sound? |
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| 16:45.14 | quinso | How do I know what different ls's colors mean? |
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| 16:49.28 | sharky | quinso, by observation ;), what what is |
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| 16:53.46 | zeta- | use ls -l |
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| 16:56.08 | somiaj | quinso: you can also change them to mean what you want, look at 'man dir_colors' |
| 16:56.20 | zeta- | or switch on alias ll in your ~/.bashrc |
| 16:56.39 | babilen | srhb: Great .. another hint would have been line 82 and 83 in the readelf output. |
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| 17:04.28 | quinso | If a piece of software (not new version, new program) came out after debian wheezy had been released, would it be able to get into its repos? |
| 17:05.09 | mtn | quinso: nope |
| 17:05.41 | ompaul | !sns |
| 17:05.42 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:06.34 | Sevet | quinso: get it into jessie (testing), then into backports |
| 17:07.31 | zeta- | (or wait for jessie to be released :-) ) |
| 17:08.04 | quinso | It's not a question about my own program that I want to get into debian repos. |
| 17:08.10 | quinso | It was a theoretical question. |
| 17:08.49 | ompaul | to tick a theoretical box which has no relation to reality |
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| 17:10.09 | quinso | ompaul: Do you think all software which gets released after your current distribution release is bad and unneeded? |
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| 17:12.13 | ksk | its a policy thingy quinso |
| 17:12.19 | babilen | quinso: No, stable means "not changing" and new packages (or versions) are therefore not added. (see "/msg dpkg stable" for further information) |
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| 17:13.06 | dondelelcaro | quinso: you wouldn't be able to get it into wheezy, but you would be able to get it into jessie, and you'd also be able to get it into wheezy backports. |
| 17:13.16 | dondelelcaro | quinso: the latter is often "good enough" |
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| 17:16.28 | sharky | quinso, the GNU/Linux freedom encourages versatility and there are GNU/Linux distributions out there for every taste. Debian is stable and solid, Archlinux is cutting edge - all newest packages, .... |
| 17:16.54 | quinso | sharky: stable as in not changing - maybe |
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| 17:17.19 | quinso | stable as in no faults - no |
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| 17:17.49 | dondelelcaro | quinso: sure, but we try to minimize those as much as possible, and we're not going to introduce new ones tomorrow |
| 17:18.06 | dondelelcaro | but hey, we also have testing and unstable distributions |
| 17:19.07 | sharky | dondelelcaro, exactly |
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| 17:19.55 | sharky | quinso, stable as in "lets not rush too much and break stuff" maybe |
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| 17:20.31 | zeta- | you can always install a few -dev packages etc. then compile your own ... |
| 17:21.02 | quinso | sharky: stable as in "let's keep stuff that has a chance to work if you spend a week configuring workarounds" |
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| 17:22.27 | sharky | quinso, stable as in "if you know what you are doing, it is rock solid and works like a charm, and it won't break after the next update" |
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| 17:22.52 | zykotick9 | sharky: nice |
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| 17:23.50 | quinso | sharky: stable as in choose one: no total freezes or working wireless adapter - this was my experience on my shitty laptop with debian stable and I had to move to jessie. |
| 17:24.22 | sharky | zykotick9, thanks :) |
| 17:24.30 | somiaj | the wriless isue is not due to a frozen system, it is due to non-free firmware blobs. |
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| 17:25.38 | somiaj | for a desktop/laptop a frozen system may not be as important, but debian is used for more than that. I think its funny the stigma debian gets because of not wanting to understand the advantages of a frozen system. |
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| 17:25.47 | quinso | somiaj: I know, manufacturers are evil, but still I had to choose between kernel from the backports which didn't work with wireless and kernel from stable which gave me occasional freezes |
| 17:26.05 | quinso | I understand the advantages of frozen system. |
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| 17:26.21 | quinso | But before I can reach those advantages, I have to work on workarouns and getting everything to work. |
| 17:26.51 | quinso | Also frozen system on desktop/laptop seems pretty important to me. |
| 17:26.59 | sharky | quinso, you are right about that, it does not support 100% of the hardware out there, so if you have some *odd* chip yes, I have had such issues too |
| 17:27.38 | quinso | I wouldn't recommend anybody to install debian stable on a laptop, especially a new laptop or a laptop with funny features. |
| 17:27.55 | somiaj | that is not a debian issue though. The hardware support is basically uniform across what the linux kernel supports. Debian just honors the DSFG which just adds an extra step to get the firmware. |
| 17:27.59 | quinso | especially with optimus |
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| 17:28.17 | jelly-home | quinso: I wouldn't recommend getting a laptop with current generation hardware to run Debian on. |
| 17:28.37 | quinso | jelly-home: too bad I didn't think about that when I was buying it. |
| 17:28.43 | jelly-home | !pal quinso |
| 17:28.43 | dpkg | points at quinso and laughs uproariously |
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| 17:29.50 | sharky | quinso, well I have a virtualisation server where I experiment, I have stable debian there and compile the newest kernels and it is still rock solid system |
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| 17:30.07 | jelly-home | to be honest, last time I was buying a laptop I investigated the hardware thoroughly, picked an intel-only thinkpad with generation-1 hw, and a number of things still didn't work properly |
| 17:30.35 | sharky | uname -a: Linux deb64-161 3.10.3 #2 Sun Jul 28 17:09:34 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:30.46 | somiaj | wireless is just voodoo at times. My wireless card won't connect to large open wifi networks, but works fine in small private encrypted networks with a single AP |
| 17:31.05 | jelly-home | sharky: debian has 3.10.11 packaged, you're way behind! <g> |
| 17:31.23 | evanton | can I get some help here with getting the selenium chromedriver work in debian wheezy? my question to the chromedriver community stays without an answer so far |
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| 17:32.14 | sharky | jelly-home, I know, I haven't compiled the most recent kernels, but that one is not from the repos, just downloaded it from kernel.org and compiled it from source some time ago |
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| 17:34.13 | sharky | jelly-home, my point for quinso was that he can pull the newest kernel and have the newest drivers and a stable system |
| 17:34.37 | jelly-home | that is right, and it might fix some things |
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| 17:35.58 | sharky | jelly-home, yeah I had issue with a driver that was only in most recent kernels, that is how I compiled kernel for the first time and got my hardware working |
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| 17:36.24 | quinso | I tried to compile a patch for a kernel some time ago but failed it and gave up. |
| 17:36.25 | somiaj | evanton: it doesn't appear that chromedriver is packaged for debian. Have you verrifed the versions of libs required for it are met in wheezy? what errors do you get when you try to compile/install it from source? |
| 17:36.57 | somiaj | quinso: luckly wheezy-backports does it. Debian stable as come a long way with backports being offically made. |
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| 17:37.46 | quinso | somiaj: I needed not a newer kernel version from backports but the same kernel version with a patch applied to it. |
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| 17:38.13 | sharky | quinso, actually to compile the whole kernel would be probably easier |
| 17:38.26 | quinso | Because wifi worked on the older kernel version, but not on the newer (I didn't know that I could install a newer wifi driver package chosen from sid or jessie repos) |
| 17:38.45 | evanton | somiaj: it's indeed some kind of library error, here's some detail about it http://code.google.com/p/chromedriver/issues/detail?id=530 |
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| 17:39.43 | somiaj | quinso: sounds like bad hardware choice, most patches that are decent make it into the mainline kernel. And I have rarely seen a situation where a newer kenernel didn't improve hardware support. But new hardware on linux is a pita, it is just partly amplifed in debian due to the frozen state. |
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| 17:40.03 | quinso | sharky: not sure what you mean about compiling the whole kernel - that's what I tried to do. I downloaded linux source of that kernel, compiled it a few times for around 5 hours each try only to have gpg error in the end. Then I would try to fix it only to have the same error in the end and finally my laptop freezed while compiling the kernel and I gave up. |
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| 17:40.16 | evanton | I was expecting to find a debian package indeed, since there's one for chromium and since chromiumdriver is said to be developed by the same people who develop chromium. i don't know why there's no package for it |
| 17:40.28 | zexcriz | after setting a up file and print server , how can i maintain it so that it goes on without any probs. |
| 17:40.30 | quinso | somiaj: it's the proprietary wireless driver that didn't work with the newer kernel. |
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| 17:40.51 | zexcriz | what additional things i need to do so that i can manage and maintain those server successfully. |
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| 17:41.47 | evanton | somiaj: the above is the error I'm getting when trying to run the binary they ship. I never tried to build it from source yet, since I have no clue how to do it and I didn't find any guides, the google code site just seems to offer some binaries for download |
| 17:41.52 | rryoumaa | trying to figure out the different repo parts. why is nvidia-settings in contrib? because the firmware is not open or something? |
| 17:41.57 | pav5088 | The isc-dhcp-server runs as root, correct? |
| 17:42.14 | somiaj | evanton: the glibc version in wheezy is 2.13, you do not want to upgrade that as almost everything depends on that package. The binary your downloaded requires glibc 2.15 (or greater) and as such you can't get it to work. YOu need to get a binary that either works with glibc 2.13 or compile your own source. Really not much help we can do since we aren't supplying the binary to you |
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| 17:42.38 | somiaj | evanton: You will have to build it from source as they do not build binaries that support wheezy. |
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| 17:43.02 | rryoumaa | also, what should i use to set things like brightness? nvidia-settings, or is there a generic x tool or hardware tool for this? |
| 17:43.38 | somiaj | rryoumaa: non-free means the actual software you install has a non-free license attached (according to the DSFG). contrib means the software from the package is free, as in it satisifies the DSFG, but the contents of the package may depend on non-free software or just be tools to download non-free software onto your system |
| 17:43.47 | evanton | somiaj: I have looked in their wiki hoping to find some guideline about building from source. Didn't really find anything (unless I've overlooked it by any chance) |
| 17:44.02 | evanton | I understand that upgrading glibc is a no go |
| 17:44.05 | somiaj | rryoumaa: it is a small difference, but one debian tries to make clear |
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| 17:45.08 | sharky | quinso, this is my compilation procedure http://paste.debian.net/43139/ that plus the debian compilation guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en should bring you results |
| 17:45.25 | rryoumaa | somiaj: i understood that part, but i don't know why a particular package (in this case nvidia-settings) is in contrib. i.e. i'm not sure what non-free thing it depends on? |
| 17:45.27 | somiaj | rryoumaa: many laptops do the brigthness as a hardware layer with buttons on the keyboard, mine works fine with no special drivers or anything because it is a hardware setting. |
| 17:46.03 | somiaj | rryoumaa: the nvidia-settings is a tool for the nvidia-binary driver blob. which is non-free, as in you have to agree to nvidias license which limits your freedom. |
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| 17:46.25 | srhb | I have some news on my problem from yesterday, hopefully this might cause someone to suddenly know what's wrong. If I disable NCQ in mpt2sas (via kernel parameter) everything works! http://pastebin.com/A5QbAeVD |
| 17:46.41 | srhb | Should I be scared to disable it? Does it mean I can diagnose what exactly is wrong/can I fix it? |
| 17:46.46 | rryoumaa | somiaj: ok. there was another pakcage that said that, so i was confused. i thought perhaps this worked with the default nvidia driver that i must be using (because i never had to install anything non-free) |
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| 17:47.11 | somiaj | quinso: sounds like your issue is with your non-free driver not supporting linux kernels directaly. Get them to make the driver free so it can be included in the mainline kernel. (: |
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| 17:47.36 | somiaj | rryoumaa: no nouveau just uses standard things and doesn't need a special configuration tool. |
| 17:47.51 | somiaj | rryoumaa: it is a tool to configure the nvidia non-free blob options/settings. |
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| 17:48.20 | sharky | quinso, what model is your laptop |
| 17:48.22 | rryoumaa | ok. what is the standard command line way to set those thigns? xset? |
| 17:48.43 | quinso | sharky: there is a free driver (made by the same company as far as I know) but it's super unstable and shitty |
| 17:48.56 | somiaj | rryoumaa: maybe someone else knows. Have you looked to see if you have keys that control the britheness on our laptop and just press them. mine is function f8 and f9 |
| 17:49.00 | quinso | sharky: levono ideapad y570 |
| 17:49.08 | rryoumaa | somiaj: it is a desktop |
| 17:49.18 | rryoumaa | somiaj: there are no special keys |
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| 17:50.40 | mtn | rryoumaa: then the controls for brightness should be on the monitor |
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| 17:51.11 | somiaj | rryoumaa: yea monintors should have controlls for such thing. nouveau supports xrandr, and it appears that xrandr can also set the brightness |
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| 17:51.51 | rryoumaa | nope, i need command line control |
| 17:52.04 | rryoumaa | i will look at xbacklight etc. but i thought you might know since you said "standard" |
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| 17:52.25 | somiaj | use xrandr, if xrandr is not supported by your drivers, there is a depericated xgamma utility, but only to be used if you don't have xrandr support. |
| 17:52.31 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 17:52.42 | somiaj | man xrandr, search for brightness |
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| 17:52.57 | rryoumaa | i noticed there were several ways, and didn |
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| 17:53.20 | rryoumaa | 't know which was preferred. xrandr, redshift, etc. (btw, redshift has a bug where it never changes.) |
| 17:53.45 | rryoumaa | (also i thought perhaps there was a single place where the driver could be controlled) |
| 17:53.59 | somiaj | haha, many tools usually. the man page for xrandr says its setting is only software level, if your hardware supports (which it may not) it also suggests xbacklight |
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| 17:56.13 | ompaul | quinso: did you apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi from the non-free repos? |
| 17:57.07 | ompaul | what's the dpkg / judd command to check the version of the kernel with the support for N-2230 |
| 17:57.50 | quinso | ompaul: I think that's not what suits my wifi adapter (I heard lenovo y570 comes with different ones). Also right now I don't have a problem with wifi - it works after I switched to jessie - I only have a problem with bumblebee. |
| 17:58.13 | quinso | switched to jessie and installed proprietary blob from sid* |
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| 18:05.31 | somiaj | ompaul: I think you need the pciid |
| 18:06.11 | somiaj | ompaul: judd I think can look up pciid support and dpkg has factoids for most chipsets |
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| 18:07.34 | somiaj | quinso: note sid is sometimes nicer than jessie (While the converse is true as well). If you find you want sid stuff alot and dont plan to stabalize with jessie, you can have more fun. (: |
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| 18:09.29 | zeta- | I have a problem with aptitude. I added proposed-updates to the sources (since disabled) |
| 18:09.31 | zeta- | Now all updates are "automatically held to avoid breaking dependencies", followed by an empty list. |
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| 18:09.55 | mumpitze1 | !kept back |
| 18:09.55 | dpkg | methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 18:10.15 | somiaj | zeta-: what version of debian are you running and would you care to share your sources.list? |
| 18:10.38 | mumpitze1 | zeta-: what debian are you running? and what 3rd party repos? |
| 18:11.02 | zykotick9 | zeta-: do you have a "specific" reason for adding proposed-updates? |
| 18:11.05 | mumpitze1 | zeta-: please show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:13.34 | zeta- | I'm on wheezy. only 3rd p repos is for opera |
| 18:14.19 | somiaj | zeta-: use paste.debian.net to provide the required info. also give us the output of 'aptitude full-upgrade' so we can see the errors of why things are not upgraded. |
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| 18:18.05 | zeta- | Thanks guys. I'm working info from dpkg ... |
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| 18:20.36 | zeta- | apt-get upgrade seems happy to do this :-) |
| 18:21.01 | srhb | Hmm. Apparantly disabling NCQ didn't quite do it, it still happens if I really stress the array, eg. by writing to it during the rebuild |
| 18:22.31 | Thorjelly | Hey guys, I'm trying to get some stuff to execute in /etc/rc.local at boot. It used to work.. I just recently went from wheezy to wheezy/sid and now it doesn't work at all. It works when I execute rc.local by hand, but not at boot. Anyone able to help? |
| 18:22.32 | zeta- | I think aptitude got a little confused when I switched sources. |
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| 18:22.41 | smw | How can I run svscanboot on start? |
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| 18:23.00 | smw | is there an init script? Should I just add it to rc.local? |
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| 18:24.53 | zeta- | Aptitude is happy now, thanks everyone. |
| 18:24.59 | somiaj | Thorjelly: wheezy/sid? there is no such release and mixing wheezy and sid will break things |
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| 18:26.17 | jhutchins | smw: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/start.html |
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| 18:26.43 | smw | jhutchins, thanks |
| 18:26.52 | ignition-- | hi all |
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| 18:27.07 | ignition-- | I have the most ridiculous question ... I am struggling to install debian |
| 18:27.24 | zinx | that, my friend, is a statement |
| 18:27.29 | ignition-- | I downloaded the netinstall version and it keeps asking me for cdrom drivers |
| 18:27.31 | mumpitze1 | that's not ridiculous but awesome :) |
| 18:27.43 | Thorjelly | somiaj: well I just added unstable to my wheezy repo list and updated and it works fine, except for rc.local. I'm not supposed to do this? |
| 18:28.14 | ignition-- | and I can't seem to continue without cdrom drivers |
| 18:28.20 | somiaj | Thorjelly: yes I know what you did and I will not support someone breaking their system. Stick with stable or run sid. You do not install just a few packages from sid. That is what backports are for. |
| 18:28.47 | mumpitze1 | ignition--: what mainboard is this? |
| 18:28.54 | mumpitze1 | ignition--: I guess you are using a usb stick to install? |
| 18:29.04 | ignition-- | its a HP EliteBook 6930p laptop |
| 18:29.12 | ignition-- | I am using an SD card to install |
| 18:29.36 | ignition-- | which could be the cause, because I am also experiencing issues with f.e. Mint |
| 18:29.39 | mumpitze1 | ignition--: you used unetbootin? |
| 18:29.46 | ignition-- | no, Universal USB Installer |
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| 18:30.00 | ignition-- | I can try unetbootin |
| 18:30.11 | somiaj | no don't, use win32imagewrite |
| 18:30.40 | mumpitze1 | the sd card could do it yes, instead of usb /dev/sdb it's /dev/mmblck0 or so |
| 18:30.52 | Thorjelly | somiaj: What is the "correct" way to use sid then? Remove any wheezy repos? |
| 18:30.53 | jhutchins | ...assuming you don't have a linux sysetm available. |
| 18:31.06 | mumpitze1 | no. unetbootin is a sure way to break your debian installer. if you create the usb stick on windows we suggest win32diskimager. but you don't use a usb stick. I'm not sure if debian installation via sdcard is supported |
| 18:31.11 | somiaj | Thorjelly: yes you must do a full dist-upgrade and run only packages from sid, and all the bugs that come with them. |
| 18:31.12 | jhutchins | ignition--: Also make sure you got something like the netinstall iso, not the boot.iso |
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| 18:31.24 | ignition-- | I do |
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| 18:31.25 | mumpitze1 | Thorjelly: you can run a testing unstable mix if you really want. but either stable or sid, never mix |
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| 18:31.49 | mumpitze1 | !tell Thorjelly about tum |
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| 18:31.55 | ignition-- | well, SD card or USB key ... what is the difference, really? |
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| 18:32.12 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: Actually, several of us have found that unetbootin is the only way to make a bootable installer, but yes it frequently has problems, especially from Windows. |
| 18:32.31 | ignition-- | but yeah, linux mint doesnt even want to boot from it ... cant find the file system it says |
| 18:32.46 | nonconvergent | ignition--: What channel are you in? |
| 18:33.00 | d3sync | Linux Live usb creator id say never failed for me :P |
| 18:33.20 | mumpitze1 | I like yumi: get a livecd and a debian installer at the same time :) |
| 18:33.22 | jhutchins | ignition--: SD cards are weird. Often the device the system actually sees is just the reader, not the card, and it's not seen as removeable so it doesn't eject. |
| 18:33.58 | ignition-- | nonconvergent ? |
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| 18:34.59 | ignition-- | ok, I am trying win32diskimager right now |
| 18:35.29 | ignition-- | but I doubt it will change much ... tomorrow I will get my usb key back and it'll work fine I imagine |
| 18:37.21 | mumpitze1 | yes, waiting for a usb stick is preferred :) |
| 18:37.22 | ignition-- | same shit ... i give up |
| 18:37.36 | jhutchins | Someone with a little bit deeper hardware knowledge needs to look at the problem of sd boot images. |
| 18:37.42 | somiaj | ignition--: do you have a linux install already? |
| 18:37.59 | ignition-- | the laptop is currently running linux yes |
| 18:38.04 | jhutchins | unetbootin on windows wouldn't ever release the card to remove it. |
| 18:38.05 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: I doubt't its the creation tool that is at fault but the debian install image |
| 18:38.19 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: sda vs mmblk0 |
| 18:38.32 | ignition-- | I think the debian installer only looks for usb devices |
| 18:38.34 | jhutchins | ignition--: Which iso image are you using? |
| 18:38.48 | ignition-- | netinstaller for 7.1 amd64 |
| 18:38.54 | somiaj | ignition--: there are methods to install via debootstrap, and other ways to install if you don't want to wait for the usb stick. Though seems like is your best option. |
| 18:38.59 | jhutchins | ignition--: Like I said, the card reader usually appears as a usb device. |
| 18:39.32 | jhutchins | Hm, drivers could very well be an issue though, I know my acer's card reader didn't work. |
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| 18:40.12 | ignition-- | ill check out debootstrap Some_Person |
| 18:40.14 | ignition-- | somiaj |
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| 18:42.52 | ignition-- | however, it seems rather complicated :) |
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| 18:42.55 | ignition-- | it can wait till tomorrow |
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| 18:46.14 | Na_Klar | setting up a shell script using: "x-www-browser file:$(pwd)/file.html" results in the standard browser opens my home directory with the file instead of the directory in which the executeable shell script lives. why is that? |
| 18:47.48 | Na_Klar | oh, I forgot to mention: this happens when executing the shell with pcmanfm. from terminal it works fine. |
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| 18:49.16 | jordanm | Na_Klar: because that's the directory pcmanfm starts a shell in and executes pwd |
| 18:49.17 | peterrooney | Na_Klar: because 'pwd' is inherited from pcmanfm |
| 18:50.17 | Na_Klar | ic |
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| 18:51.13 | Na_Klar | I would have expect that pcmanfm would update the pwd when crawling through directories and executing something in there .. |
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| 18:51.22 | ignition-- | jhutchins and mumpitze1 : I found a usb key and now everything works fine - thx for your input |
| 18:51.30 | jhutchins | w00t! |
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| 18:51.50 | ignition-- | itÅ› one of those free ones shaped like a card :D |
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| 18:52.11 | Na_Klar | is there another way to get the working directory when starting a shell script in pcmanfm than "$(pwd)"? |
| 18:52.31 | peterrooney | Na_Klar: pcmanfm can have a multitude of tabs and windows open |
| 18:52.47 | peterrooney | Na_Klar: I have two ideas. (i) what are you really trying to do? (ii) _after_ answering previous, /join #bash |
| 18:52.49 | srhb | Na_Klar: pwd? |
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| 18:53.08 | Na_Klar | true dat .. but somehow pcmanfm could tell the script it starts where it lives .. |
| 18:53.23 | Na_Klar | okay, #bash sound like an idea ;-) |
| 18:53.25 | Thorjelly | okay, I am now only using sid. rc.local still doesn't appear to be executing. |
| 18:53.31 | jcbjoe | hi all i want to see what a line is .. its line 87 .. is it sed -n -p87 ? |
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| 18:54.43 | Na_Klar | srhb: you mean the function instead of the enviroment variable? |
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| 18:55.16 | quinso | Why do I need to build from source when backporting a package from sid? |
| 18:56.12 | gb | cause sid has different libs usually to that which you are backporting too |
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| 18:57.39 | quinso | gb: what's the difference? They should have the same headers or it won't compile, and it can still be linked with them. |
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| 18:57.56 | dondelelcaro | quinso: but they may not have API or ABI compatibility |
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| 18:59.25 | quinso | dondelelcaro: if they don't have api compatibility then how will they work? I only have deb-src of sid in my sources.list, that means the only place libraries can be installed from is from old repos. |
| 18:59.49 | dondelelcaro | quinso: you can easily change the API in ways that are backwards compatible, but not forwards compatible |
| 19:00.28 | quinso | dondelelcaro: do you mean like checking what version of libs is installed during compilation and changing your code accordingly? |
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| 19:01.13 | moldy | hi |
| 19:01.16 | dondelelcaro | quinso: yes, or the library could even do this itself |
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| 19:01.45 | moldy | with multiple ip addresses for one interface ("new-style"), how do i specify nameservers? resolvconf doesn't seem to pick them up, my /etc/resolv.conf only contains comments |
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| 19:02.53 | dondelelcaro | moldy: not sure what you mean by new-style; if you have them listed as dns-nameserver, the resolvconf hook should be called when the interface comes up |
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| 19:04.23 | moldy | dondelelcaro: by "new-style", i mean that i have multiple "eth0" stanzas in my interfaces file, instead of explicit aliases |
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| 19:04.52 | moldy | dondelelcaro: as in the example on the very bottom of this page: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
| 19:05.24 | moldy | dondelelcaro: i just noticed: it does work if i repeat the dns-nameservers line for each interface stanza |
| 19:05.33 | dondelelcaro | ugh; that's a really ugly way to do that |
| 19:05.50 | moldy | dondelelcaro: which way do you recommend? eth0:0 style? |
| 19:05.53 | dondelelcaro | no |
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| 19:06.17 | dondelelcaro | if eth0 inet ..... yada yada, then up ip addr add 192.168.1.43/24 |
| 19:07.02 | moldy | dondelelcaro: hmmm |
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| 19:07.32 | dondelelcaro | it's probably more elegant to use the multiple stanza method, but as I often have machines which have tens or more ip addresses, that's much easier |
| 19:08.00 | dondelelcaro | moldy: but resolvconf should probably really work even if you only had it in one stanza; I suspect this is a bug somewhere |
| 19:08.13 | moldy | yeah, i sort of like the declarative style |
| 19:08.41 | moldy | i haven't verified this, but i guess that the last stanza overrides the previous ones, resulting in an empty nameservers list |
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| 19:09.44 | ronny | hi |
| 19:09.53 | quinso | I wrote "deb-src http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian unstable main" in sources.list, and debian site package search says there is version 1.1.1 of clementine in sid repo, but when I do "apt-get -b source clementine", it downloads version 1.0.1. What's wrong? |
| 19:09.56 | dondelelcaro | moldy: yeah; that sounds like a bug. |
| 19:10.17 | ronny | what would i do if i want recent firefox/libffi on weezy when backports doesnt seem to have and i dont want to start with experimental |
| 19:10.43 | jhutchins | !mdn |
| 19:10.44 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
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| 19:13.05 | ronny | as far as i can tell ,the only way to get recent libffi + recent browser is to mess with testing for libffi and experimental for iceweasel |
| 19:13.10 | ronny | is there no other way? |
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| 19:18.04 | vfw | what does it take to get nfs to work? |
| 19:18.56 | vfw | THe client says: mount.nfs: mount system call failed |
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| 19:19.39 | sharky | ronny, I don't know about that libff, maybe compile it yourself (newest version), but firefox you just download the latest and run the binary like $ ./firefox |
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| 19:20.41 | squidz | Hi, I was wondering if it is a good idea or even possible to have my /home an an external hd, so that I can use it with my laptop as well as with my normal pc? Does anybody have experiece? |
| 19:21.13 | kyle__ | vfw: Why don't you pastebin your exports & your mount command/error? |
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| 19:21.48 | squidz | using debian on both computers |
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| 19:22.05 | bucketm0use | Does anyone have recommendations for a good secure / encrypted / personal email setup? Preferably for wheezy. |
| 19:22.21 | kyle__ | squidz: It's quite easy. As for good idea, up to you. Maybe? The only thing to do is, have the same UIDs & parimary GID for the users. |
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| 19:23.03 | adamsilver | what is the difference between script.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 and script.sh &> /dev/null ? |
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| 19:23.25 | squidz | kyle__: is there an easy way to do that? |
| 19:23.44 | ronny | sharky: its kind of a problem that the packages i need to use are outdated and the only way to get them auto-managed would be to go non-stable with debian |
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| 19:24.26 | kyle__ | squidz: ls -ln /home will show you what the numeric UID and GID are of the directories. If they don't match, you can use usermod (as root) to change them. |
| 19:24.46 | squidz | okay thanks for the tip |
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| 19:25.41 | Zzeiss | marvels at how apt-get seems to be Doing The Right Thing going from Lenny to Squeeze. |
| 19:26.05 | sharky | ronny, if you need cutting edge you can try archlinux, every package is the newest version there and you install from the repository |
| 19:27.12 | vfw | What is the correct way to [permanently] change hostname? |
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| 19:28.03 | kyle__ | vfw: Errr... edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts I think. Can't think of another way to go about that one. |
| 19:28.15 | Zzeiss | vfw: change it in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ... that always worked for me at least. |
| 19:28.17 | sharky | ronny, i have archlinux on a virtual machine for when i need something cutting edge, but you can't beat debian stability |
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| 19:28.53 | vfw | kyle__: Ok. thanks. Yea, I edited /etc/hostname but had negleted to edit /etc/hosts |
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| 19:32.08 | ronny | sharky: at least for the web-browser i'd expect something different tho |
| 19:33.41 | CissWit | ronny: like jhutchins said: |
| 19:33.45 | CissWit | !mdn |
| 19:33.45 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 19:34.21 | GNU\colossus | is there a 3rd-party repository that provides xbmc builds for Debian Wheezy? |
| 19:34.34 | CissWit | at least for web browser, you have something different |
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| 19:35.17 | ronny | CissWit: oh, i ssomehow missed that |
| 19:35.44 | alphazulu | is there a way to get a fuschia color prompt in bash? |
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| 19:36.40 | Zzeiss | squidz: it's possible to have home on something on a plug, but you may not enjoy it as much as you think. |
| 19:36.50 | jhutchins | alphazulu: Well, I think you can get Metro Mango, but I'm not sure about fucia. |
| 19:36.59 | squidz | Zzeiss: why not? |
| 19:37.11 | Zzeiss | squidz: you'd have to premount it from another account, and then unmount it again afterwards. I don't know of an automounter that I'd trust to do the right thing. |
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| 19:37.19 | revil | hi guys! do you think that having a shared HOME folder between two flavours of debian would be a bad idea (taking into consideration the shared per-user configuration files)? I am referring to testing and stable. |
| 19:37.22 | jhutchins | alphazulu: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
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| 19:37.38 | alphazulu | jhutchins: haha. yeah i know about the boring yuck colors |
| 19:37.54 | squidz | Zzeiss: hm yeah that doesn't sound so smooth |
| 19:37.55 | alphazulu | its so 1980's |
| 19:38.21 | CissWit | !tell GNU\colossus about dmm |
| 19:38.26 | jhutchins | squidz: Well, we mount /home/* via autofs/automount over NFS from a central server. Worst that happens is you log in and there's no .bashrc. |
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| 19:38.35 | CissWit | i think it has good updates on xmbc |
| 19:38.42 | CissWit | it had last time i checked anyway |
| 19:38.54 | Zzeiss | squidz: you could always do a Reconcile-like thing... whenever the two machines are on the same network, they reconcile. Possibly hazardous if you don't resynch before doing anything every single time. |
| 19:39.06 | Zzeiss | Anyway, gotta split. Thanks all. |
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| 19:47.56 | vfw | http://paste.debian.net/43200 |
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| 19:54.36 | jhutchins | vfw: Which is? |
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| 19:56.23 | bezoka | hiho |
| 19:56.59 | bezoka | how can I change my layout when I clicked ctr + i |
| 19:57.02 | bezoka | in dwm |
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| 20:00.04 | vfw | I see http://paste.debian.net/43202/ in /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server Should the instances of portmap be changed to rpcbind? |
| 20:01.56 | kyle__ | Which version of NFS are you trying for? NFSv4 shouldn't need that, 2 and 3 need portmapper and rpcbind (I think) |
| 20:04.20 | vfw | nfs-kernel-server Installed: 1:1.2.6-4 |
| 20:04.48 | vfw | kyle__: I just installed via apt-get |
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| 20:05.24 | vfw | Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 |
| 20:06.15 | jhutchins | !raspian |
| 20:06.16 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:06.28 | kyle__ | Yeah, but that should work to serve nfsv3 or 4. How you configure it determines which you get. Anyway... what rcp services do you have in /etc/init.d/? |
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| 20:07.01 | vfw | so should I just change the instances of portmap to rpcbind in /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server ? |
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| 20:07.23 | vfw | I guess it won't hurt to try. Right? |
| 20:09.05 | kyle__ | vfw: You shouldn't need to edit any of those scripts. Everything you need to edit will be /etc/exports or files in /etc/default/ |
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| 20:13.33 | vfw | kyle__: ok |
| 20:13.49 | vfw | Rebooting, will see what it does this time. |
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| 20:16.17 | allure | Hi! I have Xen installed and I can ping/ssh to it. The network is under a bridge device called xenbr0. The issue I am having is that I cannot connect from different computers on the network to any virtual machine on my Xen. Distro is Debian Wheezy. What should I do? |
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| 20:16.54 | vfw | rpcbind is not running on bootup. How can I tell it to run when the system starts up? |
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| 20:17.52 | kyle__ | make sure it's actually there. |
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| 20:18.14 | vfw | /etc/init.d/rpcbind is there and is -rwxr-xr-x |
| 20:19.04 | jhutchins | vfw: You realize that we could give you advice that would fix Debian but which will BREAK Raspian? |
| 20:19.51 | vfw | I can start it manually, sudo service rpcbind start and then restart nfs-kernel-server and all is well. |
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| 20:20.28 | vfw | jhutchins: Ok, but what proceedure needs to be followed:? I just don't know for sure. |
| 20:20.33 | allure | vfw: link it to rc2.d |
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| 20:21.08 | somiaj | you can also use update-rc.d to add the links. |
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| 20:21.28 | jhutchins | vfw: Well, I'd use update-rc.d, but I don't know if that applies. Does Raspian do SysV init? At this point, we are totally offtopic for #debian. |
| 20:21.40 | vfw | somiaj: What would the command look like? |
| 20:22.12 | somiaj | read the man page |
| 20:22.40 | somiaj | with correct LSBHeaders, update-rc.d servicename defaults, or update-rc.d servicename add <run level list> |
| 20:23.01 | somiaj | oh it is start not add |
| 20:23.28 | jhutchins | I think "on" might work too, it does with chkconfig. |
| 20:23.49 | vfw | Here is what is in /etc/rc2.d/ http://paste.debian.net/43213/ |
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| 20:24.38 | allure | vfw: link from /etc/init.d/ to /etc/rc2.d/ like S99Srpcbind |
| 20:24.52 | allure | vfw: the 99 is the priority, which is most likely last |
| 20:25.03 | j__ | hello, im running Firefox (from Linux Mint repository) on Debian Wheezy. For some reason embeddeed youtube videos aren't displaying. They display fine if I run Iceweasel though |
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| 20:25.30 | rscnt | hi |
| 20:25.43 | CissWit | j__: why don't you run a firefox build for debian (iceweasel) |
| 20:25.59 | somiaj | j__: You won't get support for non debian repos here. You should also not mix debian repos with other repos out there as you may find you have more problems then flash not working. |
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| 20:26.11 | somiaj | j__: if you want a current firefox, install iceweasel form mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:26.30 | CissWit | the reason is probably that the linux mint package is linked against a library that is not the same on the debian package which makes a weird issue, you shouldn't try to use linux mint packages on debian |
| 20:27.58 | jhutchins | Oh, hey, mixing distros is fun! I did that with Old RH and Mandrake! |
| 20:28.09 | jhutchins | It was a spectacular mess! |
| 20:28.21 | jhutchins | !mdn |
| 20:28.21 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
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| 20:28.40 | CissWit | it is fun and you get to learn a lot about package maintenance and dependency issues :) |
| 20:28.45 | j__ | maybe i can try to install a newer iceweasel |
| 20:29.00 | jhutchins | j__: That and REMOVE the Firefox package(s). |
| 20:29.12 | j__ | i googled (or duckduckgoed) firefox on debian and wound up with that solution |
| 20:29.23 | j__ | id rather run iceweasel, with the newer developmeent tools |
| 20:29.43 | j__ | ok ill try your suggestions thanks everyone |
| 20:29.43 | jhutchins | j__: iceweasel IS Firefox. |
| 20:30.06 | somiaj | jhutchins: my first debian install (after a brief attempt with mandrake) was a progeny install, with random mixes of stable though testing .debs from debian and then comipled my full xfree and gnome1.2, I'm surprised it worked at all, what a mess that was. |
| 20:30.07 | j__ | i know but its more free right |
| 20:30.15 | j__ | also its in the official repositories |
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| 20:30.58 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 20:30.58 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
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| 20:31.29 | vfw | allure: Looks like a safe move. |
| 20:31.29 | vfw | ln -s /etc/init.d/rpcbind /etc/rc2.d/S99Srpcbind |
| 20:31.29 | vfw | I'll reboot it and see if that works. Thanks |
| 20:31.29 | vfw | jhutchins: And I know that I should be asking in #raspberian or #raspberrypi but I dont think there is anyone in there that has the answers I need right now and I need to get this project wrapped up. |
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| 20:35.38 | j__ | would you guys recommend experimental or unstable for iceweasel |
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| 20:35.52 | j__ | i guess ill see which one gives me the newer dev tools |
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| 20:37.25 | rscnt | ~ |
| 20:37.37 | babilen | j__: http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 20:38.26 | j__ | babilen yep on there |
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| 20:38.47 | babilen | j__: Good, so you will see that you need neither unstable nor experimental :) |
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| 20:39.53 | JordiGH | What's the "official" status of GNU/kFreeBSD in wheezy? Is it still a technology preview? |
| 20:40.00 | JordiGH | I couldn't find a simple answer. |
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| 20:41.12 | babilen | JordiGH: I think so, but you might want to ask #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net about particulars |
| 20:41.27 | JordiGH | babilen: Thanks. |
| 20:41.57 | j__ | ok babilen, i see now, the whole series of dropdowns can be a bit confusing |
| 20:42.44 | babilen | j__: If you could provide more details about your setup and specify which iw release you want I could help, but I am not sure if I have anything to add to that website. :) |
| 20:43.25 | j__ | now its running good thanks |
| 20:43.43 | j__ | well i have another issue which i doubt will go away |
| 20:43.57 | j__ | and this might just be mozilla browsers in general |
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| 20:44.10 | j__ | when typing, scrolling, or switching tabs, i often get a 1-2 lag |
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| 20:44.24 | j__ | *1-2 sec lag |
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| 20:44.46 | vfw | doing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure rpcbind nfs-kernel-server Results: http://paste.debian.net/43219/ |
| 20:45.18 | jhutchins | halfie: What hardware? Which release? |
| 20:45.23 | jhutchins | er.... |
| 20:45.31 | jhutchins | j__: What hardware? Which release? |
| 20:46.49 | babilen | j__: I switched to chromium as it performs much better (IMHO) so I can't really comment on that :-/ |
| 20:47.14 | thingy | vfw: Do you have a seperate /var partition? |
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| 20:47.57 | j__ | jhutchins wheezy... hardware is laptop with i7 and ssd... but ive gotten it at home too with a better ssd and i7 |
| 20:48.09 | j__ | but on both computers im using integrated graphics |
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| 20:48.51 | j__ | babilen chromium is great but I don't like how it only syncs with Chrome. Firefox's syncing allows you to use your own server. And I think Google should be avoided even if they put out free products |
| 20:49.00 | j__ | *syncs with Google |
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| 20:49.21 | babilen | j__: fair enough (and I agree), still performs better ;) |
| 20:49.32 | sharky | babilen, all your browsing belongs to google |
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| 20:49.47 | babilen | (if you sync) |
| 20:49.57 | j__ | yes I hope someone can fork it and get rid of the google sync |
| 20:50.03 | vfw | thingy: no |
| 20:50.14 | babilen | Anyway, we should continue *that* discussion in #debian-offtopic ... |
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| 20:50.22 | j__ | lol ok |
| 20:50.26 | thingy | j__: Have you tweaked the http pipeline config parameters in iceweasel by chance? |
| 20:50.42 | j__ | thingy nope |
| 20:51.28 | sharky | babilen, I think not only if you sync, that thing does not stop to communicate with google servers _encrypted_ |
| 20:51.33 | vfw | I just added a couple of lines to /etc/rc.local to fix it for now. We can figure out what is wrong later. |
| 20:51.41 | thingy | j__: how many addons are installed in the browser? |
| 20:52.00 | j__ | I have adblock plus, priva, measureit, some viewport resolution add on |
| 20:52.05 | j__ | wappalyzer |
| 20:52.15 | vfw | starting rcpbind and restarting nfs-kernel-server in /etc/rc.local |
| 20:52.19 | j__ | i think thats it |
| 20:52.38 | j__ | maybe this new iceweasel version will do the trick but i dont know yet |
| 20:52.47 | j__ | i did turn off smooth scrolling too but it didnt help before |
| 20:52.52 | thingy | j__: if you get a chance, can you create a new browser profile by launching "iceweasel -profilemanager" and creating a new profile with no addons and see if the lag persists? |
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| 20:53.34 | j__ | yeah I will definitely try that if still needed soon, thanks guys |
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| 21:06.09 | thingy | vfw: Do you have a new file in /etc/init.d called: nfs-kernel-server.dpkg-new |
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| 21:12.57 | _habnabit | does anyone know an example of a package that uses pam-auth-update to install a profile? i'm trying to figure out how to write one |
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| 21:15.05 | jordanm | _habnabit: apt-cache rdepends libpam-runtime would be a good start |
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| 21:15.14 | _habnabit | oh, that works |
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| 21:16.30 | thingy | _habnabit: "to install a profile" is that the same as you wanting a template? If so, this package has a pam-auth-update.template file. http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libpam-yubico/filelist |
| 21:17.21 | _habnabit | thingy, oh, yeah, that's the basic format of it. thanks |
| 21:17.35 | Monotoko | how do I do an offline install from a 2GB USB stick? Whenever I try to find information I get about 10 CD's worth |
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| 21:18.29 | socomm | Monotoko: there is a minimal install |
| 21:18.30 | Monotoko | I just need Debian 7 and the default graphics environment... |
| 21:18.52 | Monotoko | socomm: I need the graphics environment too, does it come with the minimal? I imagine not... |
| 21:18.56 | socomm | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 21:19.12 | socomm | Monotoko: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:19.18 | socomm | DVD1 should be enough to get what you need |
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| 21:19.57 | Monotoko | socomm: it's a 2GB stick :( |
| 21:20.21 | socomm | Monotoko: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:21.01 | socomm | Monotoko: buy a stick with more storage, you can probably get an 8G for under 20 bucks now adays |
| 21:21.26 | Monotoko | socomm: alright il give it a go with CD1, if it comes with the graphics environment it should be fine, my aunt wants Debian on her machine ("The linux I've heard of") |
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| 21:22.05 | socomm | Monotoko: notice they have different 'flavors' there - KDC, LXDE, and XFCE - the default is GNOME |
| 21:22.13 | socomm | s/kdc/kde/ |
| 21:22.46 | Monotoko | socomm: I don't want to confuse her at the moment, I will explain the rest of them as long as it installs one to begin with |
| 21:23.09 | blitzed | LXDE |
| 21:23.21 | blitzed | default Debian has the poorly rendered fontz |
| 21:23.37 | socomm | "fontz" |
| 21:23.40 | CattleBruiser | blitzed, lies ! |
| 21:23.43 | CattleBruiser | enough with the lies |
| 21:23.50 | Monotoko | sadly she still has dial up, so I may have to get the packages manually and put them on her external drive |
| 21:24.14 | Monotoko | I can't imagine even attempting to download an entire graphical environment through dial up... |
| 21:24.34 | CattleBruiser | Monotoko, how about i3 ? |
| 21:25.01 | socomm | Monotoko: you could always take her HDD and install the OS from your machine |
| 21:25.08 | socomm | CattleBruiser: just stop |
| 21:25.32 | CattleBruiser | socomm, you dislike i3 ? |
| 21:25.56 | Monotoko | socomm: I don't even want to go into that machine, she's had it almost 5 years and is a heavy smoker, but if I have to I will |
| 21:26.03 | Monotoko | I imagine she doesn't take the best care of the PC... |
| 21:26.09 | thingy | Monotoko: This might be relevant to you: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/11/msg01996.html |
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| 21:27.34 | Monotoko | thingy: thanks, that looks interesting... then I can show her exactly what hers will be like on my laptop before we go ahead |
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| 21:30.01 | babilen | blitzed: Run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and choose "Autohinter", "Automatic", "No" and be done with it. |
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| 21:31.51 | blitzed | babilen thanks I will try that next time...pretty sure I did the fontconfig thing and rebooted last time and no worky so went back to LXDE |
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| 21:32.02 | babilen | CattleBruiser: Yes, i3 is a horrible WM for various reasons that are neither on-topic in here nor do I have any interest in getting into them. It is also not a very good recommendation for everyone (or anyone) and suggesting it unconditionally might do more harm than good. |
| 21:32.51 | babilen | blitzed: I found that using the "Autohinter" improved font rendering massively. There are a lot of totally over the board configuration tutorials out there that I found to not be necessary. |
| 21:33.12 | babilen | anyway, /me is off .. have fun! :) |
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| 22:09.34 | zeta- | The reason I was looking at proposed-updates was to get latest drupal 7 ie 7.23 |
| 22:09.36 | zeta- | Wheezy 7.14-2 = drupal 7.14 plus 4 security releases. Why not just use 7.23 which has other bug fixes too? Requirements haven't changed, and won't until D8 |
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| 22:13.57 | somiaj | zeta-: I doubt wheezy will upgrade to 7.23 that is not how debian works. What new things could these new feature bring in, would the mess up any existant configs, etc. You can backport it, or maybe it will be provided via wheezy-backports. |
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| 22:14.41 | somiaj | zeta-: its more an over all policy issue of how debian stable works. The system is frozen except for security and bug fixes to the versions in the frozen system except in rare cases. |
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| 22:16.15 | somiaj | since it is just a set of php scripts, you can its depends don't seem that crazy (i.e. its depends will be satisified in wheezy) you could install a newer version but then you have to worry about security |
| 22:17.09 | zeta- | somiaj: But the way drupal works is that there are no new requirements for the life of 7 |
| 22:17.39 | zeta- | somiaj: Drupal worries about security |
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| 22:18.13 | somiaj | that maybe, but that is not how debian stable works. And in the end what is put in the debian stable repos is govered by certain policies. You are of course welcome to install newer versions. |
| 22:18.23 | peaceblaster | unable to connect to PEAP wireless network after recent updates... help? |
| 22:18.58 | somiaj | peaceblaster: have you tried to find any actual errors? What got updated? Might want to first check dmesg and make sure your wireless card is detected correctly with no issues (including firmware) |
| 22:19.12 | zeta- | somiaj: I've got to install latest because that is what will be deployed |
| 22:19.40 | zeta- | it's a web app after all |
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| 22:19.51 | somiaj | zeta-: there are ways to manage your own local apt-mirror, and build a custom drupal package for your deployment if you need to put manage it on multiple systems. |
| 22:20.05 | somiaj | I guess apt-mirror is incorrect, but local repo |
| 22:20.16 | peaceblaster | the wifi will connect to unsecured networks fine, just not the university's PEAP one. There is no error, it just times out and asks for my password again |
| 22:20.43 | konsumer | Just installed Debian 7 x64. Is there a package I need that allows me to install deb files? |
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| 22:21.10 | somiaj | konsumer: nope, dpkg is a part of the min system and must be installed |
| 22:21.11 | zeta- | somiaj: Yes that sounds like a good option -- I want to do things the debian way |
| 22:21.14 | somiaj | konsumer: apt is also there. |
| 22:23.12 | konsumer | so, i should so # apt install packagename.deb ? |
| 22:23.33 | konsumer | should do* |
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| 22:23.49 | zeta- | somiaj: I don't want to lose the tools like config scripts and then have an incompatible setup ... Thanks for your suggestion |
| 22:24.20 | somiaj | konsumer: dpkg -i filename.deb if you have the .deb file, apt-get install packagename (no deb) if apt is set to get it form the network |
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| 22:26.38 | zeta- | somiaj: can dpkg give me a link to local repo's doc? |
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| 22:29.59 | konsumer | Thanks somiaj :) |
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| 22:31.38 | konsumer | somiaj, how would I go about installing this file? zsnes151src.tar.bz2 |
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| 22:35.27 | konsumer | anyone else know how to install a .tar.bz2 ? |
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| 22:37.30 | somiaj | konsumer: that isn't a debian package so you don't install it persey. It is a tar and ziped package |
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| 22:38.39 | somiaj | konsumer: tar xjvf file.tar.bz2 will extract the file into your home dir. I am unsure of the contents and don't know if you need to compile the source code or they gave you binaries. I would consult the docs on how to use it |
| 22:38.53 | zeta- | konsumer: its a source file so will have instructions once you extract it |
| 22:39.02 | konsumer | Oh i see |
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| 22:39.19 | somiaj | konsumer: if it is source and there is a 'make install' (this is the last in the series of commands) it should install it in /usr/local which will not conflict with the debian system which does not matain packages in that location |
| 22:39.31 | somiaj | konsumer: you can use optional programs like stow to manage things installed in /usr/local |
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| 22:39.37 | somiaj | usually compiled from source code |
| 22:39.37 | konsumer | One last question. Is there a way to fetch the dependencies of a .deb through terminal? |
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| 22:40.07 | somiaj | this is the ugly way, but provided your version of debian can meet those dependencies (make sure you don't download a random .deb for a differnt os out side of your exact version of debian) |
| 22:40.20 | somiaj | but after dpkg -i foo.deb fails, apt-get -f install will fix it for you if it can |
| 22:40.29 | somiaj | rember a bad deb could really mess things up and conflict with your debian system. |
| 22:40.51 | konsumer | I see |
| 22:40.57 | konsumer | Thanks for the heads up. |
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| 22:41.30 | somiaj | source code though a bit more complicated it the nicer way to install software outside of debian in my experience. That way the random packages you get don't mess things up |
| 22:42.21 | konsumer | Always wanted to learn the method of compile. |
| 22:42.32 | konsumer | It's something I will spend my day learning. |
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| 22:43.15 | somiaj | in many cases it is quite simple and just works. In the cases it doesn't, that is an artform to fix at times. Sometimes it is just a google search too |
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| 22:46.34 | konsumer | I'm trying to use google as much as possible so that I don't bother you guys with my newb questions. |
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| 22:52.14 | n0c | somiaj: so, after recompiling from the vanilla 3.11.1 tree, my initrd is 145MB |
| 22:52.25 | n0c | all the other pre-packed ones i have are around 13-15mb |
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| 22:57.51 | Guest35024 | Hi, I am trying to install debian and I have a question if there is any way how to skip certain steps. I would like to skip creating partitions as I want to do it on my own. Thanks. |
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| 22:58.36 | mtn | Guest35024: you don't need to create partitions, you can use the ones that already exist |
| 22:59.06 | jcbjoe | hmm.. do the fourms get udated / read faster then the mailing list ? |
| 22:59.09 | konsumer | how can in tell if i have sid or squeeze? I have version 7 :| |
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| 22:59.31 | jcbjoe | konsumer: lsb_relase -a |
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| 22:59.42 | jcbjoe | o_O |
| 23:00.38 | jcbjoe | konsumer: did you get that ? lsb_release -a |
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| 23:01.46 | Guest35024 | mtn: I know that. I am trying to install system on a subvolume of btrfs. I remount the target to point exactly there with specific mount options, but it seems to get to default mount options. I am going to try it again and see. |
| 23:02.06 | konsumer | thanks mate |
| 23:02.20 | mtn | Guest35024: ok, your question didn't mention you already knew that :P |
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| 23:02.32 | Guest35024 | mtn: :) |
| 23:02.38 | konsumer | looks like i have wheezy lol |
| 23:02.55 | somiaj | n0c: what config did you use? I almost recall a small initrd image, but not sure |
| 23:03.42 | Guest35024 | mtn: basically i am just trying to find out if there is any posibility to achieve bigger control over what is going on without having installer complaining. :) |
| 23:03.55 | somiaj | Guest35024: you have to choose a root filesystem to install on. There is an option to choose an existing partition and not have to create one. |
| 23:04.43 | somiaj | konsumer: wheezy is the new stable, squeeze was the old stable, so some docs you find may be written for squeeze. You will also find docs for even older versions out there. |
| 23:04.53 | Guest35024 | mtn: I am going to do more tests and see if i make it. No time pressure anyway. Thanks. |
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| 23:06.32 | n0c | n0c: i moved mine from 3.2 i believe with `make olddefconfig` |
| 23:07.56 | n0c | just manually recreated it with update-initramfs -u -k 3.11.1 and it's still 145mb |
| 23:08.21 | Guest35024 | somiaj: Yes, exactly. When that step (partitioning) was succesfully done, I remount /target to the specific subvolume with specific options, but it wasnt installed to that subvolume, but to the root of fs and moreover /etc/mtab during the installation was showing default mount options for btrfs instead of the ones i put there. Maybe I made a mistake somewhere, you never know. |
| 23:08.25 | n0c | /etc/initramfs-tools config has modules=most and compress=gzip |
| 23:08.27 | n0c | weird |
| 23:08.39 | konsumer | i see |
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| 23:09.10 | konsumer | I'm having such bad luck with zsnes and I don't even want the app. I just want to be able to install similar apps :( |
| 23:10.46 | Harzilein | is anyone else still using uucp to provide their dialup hosts with a mail domain? |
| 23:12.33 | Harzilein | i'm trying to use the instructions for uucp over ssh and wonder how i can set the port to be reliable in the uucico command specified in ~site-uucp/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 23:15.00 | Harzilein | ah, i think i found it, i need to specify a stdin port in /etc/uucp/ports and set its type to stdin |
| 23:15.03 | Harzilein | let me check |
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| 23:26.48 | mctechie64 | Hello? |
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| 23:29.06 | konsumer | Is it I went ahead and installed the Software-Center UI lol |
| 23:29.42 | konsumer | I did not want to but these dependencies are just killing my installs. |
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| 23:52.42 | riceAndBeans_ | during install i was missing wifi firmware "rtlwifi/rtl8912cfw.bin", so I just installed debian and executed "dpkg -i firmware.bin" and it's still not working? |
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| 23:53.03 | asarch | I'm still using the old stable 6.x, is there any way to install old stable packages? |
| 23:53.14 | asarch | aptitude wants to upgrade the entire system |
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| 23:58.29 | riceAndBeans_ | during install i was missing wifi firmware "rtlwifi/rtl8912cfw.bin", so I just installed debian and executed "dpkg -i firmware.bin" from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek and it's still not working? |
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