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| 00:13.25 | proxypirate | hey guys so i am really close to fixing my problem but i need to know how to use gparted to resize my ext4 partition to add the 20GB of unallocated space |
| 00:13.29 | proxypirate | can anyone assist with this? |
| 00:14.47 | dvs | gparted? What's so hard about that? |
| 00:15.13 | dvs | It might not support ext4 though |
| 00:17.21 | nk287 | i never resized partition. always plan disk loyout before install |
| 00:17.22 | proxypirate | dvs: i have never really used gparted before |
| 00:17.32 | proxypirate | nk287: horray for you! |
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| 00:18.27 | dvs | proxypirate: Well, you just shrink one partition to make room and then extend the one you want to grow |
| 00:18.48 | dvs | proxypirate: You won't do any damage until you apply your changes. |
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| 00:19.09 | proxypirate | dvs: i have this setup |
| 00:19.34 | proxypirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.52 | proxypirate | . /dev/sda2 extended 1.26 GiB |
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| 00:20.12 | proxypirate | . /dev/sda5 1.26 GiB linux-swap |
| 00:20.18 | proxypirate | and 20GB of unallocated space |
| 00:20.47 | proxypirate | i am trying to add those 20GB of unallocated space to /dev/sda1 |
| 00:21.30 | proxypirate | should i just delete everything and try renaming everything to extact names i have now? |
| 00:22.09 | proxypirate | when i try to resize the /dev/sda1 with gparted i don't think it will allow me to go past 30GiB |
| 00:22.28 | dvs | proxypirate: And the 20GB is at the end of the driver outside the extended partition? |
| 00:22.53 | proxypirate | it is underneath the extended partition |
| 00:22.57 | proxypirate | on the list in gparted |
| 00:23.41 | dvs | What do you mean "underneath"? It's either inside the extended partition or it is outside |
| 00:24.07 | proxypirate | okay i think its outside |
| 00:24.38 | proxypirate | ya its outside |
| 00:24.56 | mercutio22 | whats the good RAID for redundancy? |
| 00:25.05 | mercutio22 | and speed |
| 00:25.26 | dvs | proxypirate: You'll probably have to move the entire extended partition to the back of the drive, then grow sda. |
| 00:27.41 | proxypirate | okay so i think i figured this out... |
| 00:27.54 | proxypirate | i deleted my extended partition and then my linux swap |
| 00:28.12 | proxypirate | i extended my ext4 partition from 29GiB to about 48GiB |
| 00:28.43 | proxypirate | i then used the unallocated space about 3.2GB to add a 1.6GB extended partition and a 1.6GB linux-swap |
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| 00:29.15 | dvs | proxypirate: If the extended partition only had the swap then that's OK. |
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| 00:29.30 | proxypirate | but on gparted the newly created extended partition and linux swap just say under the partition tab "New Partition 1" and "New partition 2" |
| 00:29.45 | proxypirate | ya the extended partition only has the swap |
| 00:30.04 | proxypirate | is there anyway to use gparted to make sure the linux swap is on say /dev/sda2 or is that up to linux? |
| 00:30.06 | nonconvergent | What do you guys use for managing your money? |
| 00:30.09 | nonconvergent | gnucash? |
| 00:30.44 | jeep | nonconvergent, my wife spends it all so no software needed |
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| 00:31.41 | dvs | proxypirate: The only way I see to get swap on sda2 is to delete the extended partition and only put the swap partition back without an extended partition |
| 00:32.21 | proxypirate | dvs: well i want to put the extended partition on /dev/sda2 and make sure the swap is on /dev/sda5 can i do this with gparted? |
| 00:32.48 | dvs | proxypirate: But that's what you had before? |
| 00:33.08 | proxypirate | yes that is what i had before |
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| 00:33.46 | dvs | proxypirate: If you just want to move the partitions, then just move the partitions: don't delete them. |
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| 00:34.25 | startthink | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/19/obamas-claim-that-non-budget-items-have-never-been-attached-to-the-debt-ceiling/ <<Stop being fooled by partisan and political smokescreens and start thinking. |
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| 00:34.58 | tomodachi | sunet |
| 00:35.04 | tomodachi | oh wrong window nvm |
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| 00:41.44 | proxypirate | yes it wrote to same locations so i don't have to alter any files! |
| 00:42.01 | dvs | that's the whole point of gparted |
| 00:42.26 | proxypirate | this is the first time i really used it... |
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| 00:48.33 | fellayaboy | is debian a terminal based os at first |
| 00:48.39 | proxypirate | finally! |
| 00:48.41 | proxypirate | i got it working! |
| 00:48.53 | dvs | !prize proxypirate |
| 00:48.54 | dpkg | gives proxypirate a yogi pin. |
| 00:49.03 | fellayaboy | i would have to install an X system like X11 or somethinbg correct? |
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| 00:50.32 | fellayaboy | can i install debian onto a usb stick..im looking for a terminal based os that can run off my usb stick with no problem...and i also want to be able to install programs and terminal based programs and have the os remember my settings on the usb |
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| 00:51.13 | jeep | fellayaboy, start with minimal install iso |
| 00:51.48 | themill | this is debian, there's no such thing |
| 00:51.50 | dvs | proxypirate: The only caution with gparted is try not to move the beginning of your boot partition |
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| 00:52.32 | fellayaboy | ok im not looking to have an installer i rather have it run as if it were installed on a hard drive but instead on hd on my usb u know what i mean? |
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| 00:52.59 | MatthewT1 | Anyone have an idea why I can run a python script from the terminal fine, but when I try to run it from incrontab it doesn't actually run? |
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| 00:53.16 | themill | fellayaboy: you can either use the installer to install to the usb stick or you can use a debian-live image on the usb stick |
| 00:53.19 | jeep | MatthewT1, path issue ? |
| 00:53.40 | themill | !persistent live |
| 00:53.40 | dpkg | You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 00:53.58 | MatthewT1 | @jeep -I'm using the path to the file directly |
| 00:54.07 | fellayaboy | that if i use the live with persistent storage it would be slower correct? rather than installing it |
| 00:54.29 | themill | fellayaboy: wouldn't have thought so |
| 00:54.36 | themill | MatthewT1: does the script run at all? |
| 00:54.42 | MatthewT1 | Yep! |
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| 00:54.49 | MatthewT1 | python /usr/local/svn/cas-apple-salt/salt-key-accepter.py "/etc/salt/pki/master/minions_pre" "CAS-116641" works |
| 00:54.58 | fellayaboy | how do i go about installing it... rather than a live with persistent |
| 00:55.01 | MatthewT1 | but doing that with initcron doesn't |
| 00:55.06 | themill | MatthewT1: I mean, does it run at all from incron |
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| 00:55.16 | MatthewT1 | Well, my syslog says this: Sep 20 19:39:20 cas-applesalt incrond[6873]: (root) CMD (/usr/local/svn/cas-apple-salt/salt-key-accepter.py "/etc/salt/pki/master/minions_pre" "CAS-116641") |
| 00:55.23 | themill | MatthewT1: is it a "starts then fails" or "doesn't state at all" problem |
| 00:55.30 | themill | hmm.... sounds like it's trying to run it |
| 00:55.53 | themill | MatthewT1: you're invoking that two different ways, once with "python" the other time directly |
| 00:56.19 | MatthewT1 | I've tried both ways |
| 00:56.27 | MatthewT1 | same result with either :/ |
| 00:56.34 | themill | MatthewT1: how do you know it's not working? |
| 00:57.01 | MatthewT1 | It doesn't accept the cert or print into the log file, whereas running the script directly makes it accept the cert and log into a log file |
| 00:57.46 | themill | the script doesn't need a tty for prompting somewhere does it? (it doesn't try to use sudo or something?) |
| 00:58.00 | MatthewT1 | I don't think so, but let me double check |
| 00:58.17 | fellayaboy | oh ok im dumb i could just use the burn the minimal install iso burn it on a dvd and use the live install wizard correct or is their another special method i have to do |
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| 01:00.21 | MatthewT1 | Nope, it doesn't - I'm thinking that I might need to put $(which python) in initcron |
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| 01:04.32 | themill | MatthewT1: I'm hoping you don't have any pythons other than /usr/bin/python there |
| 01:05.05 | themill | MatthewT1: you're not testing it with a PYTHON_PATH or inside a virtualenv or such like are you? |
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| 01:06.04 | MatthewT1 | Nope, I'm not |
| 01:06.21 | MatthewT1 | I think I'm gonna take a braek from this for a wihle though, I've been messing with it for a few hours at this point haha |
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| 01:17.36 | proxypirate | wow so you guys know i know some people here were shocked to hear me talk about vmware bios and entering a virtual guest os (linux) own bios but vmware does have its own bios for its guest operating systems |
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| 01:29.40 | jeep | proxypirate, we know but figured that would confuse you more lol |
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| 01:32.46 | fellayaboy | hey debian iso cd 1 is enuff to have the basics...a windows environment and basic terminal programs? |
| 01:33.20 | jeep | yes |
| 01:33.36 | fellayaboy | why are their like 8 cds and 3 dvds |
| 01:33.39 | themill | iirc a couple of things like network-manager don't fit on CD1 |
| 01:34.04 | themill | fellayaboy: for all the other bits of software? |
| 01:34.05 | fellayaboy | wow so network manager |
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| 01:34.34 | fellayaboy | wow debian is huge. |
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| 01:34.41 | poppy | can be |
| 01:35.07 | fellayaboy | so basicallly...i need the basics of a regular ubuntu...network manager at least...i need to have wifi right away |
| 01:35.27 | poppy | man tasksel |
| 01:35.32 | fellayaboy | i need to have the basics just like a ubuntu cd would...im more in tune with ubuntu u see |
| 01:36.06 | poppy | fellayaboy: sounds like themill wasn't promising that was the case |
| 01:36.32 | fellayaboy | so i guess dvd 1 would be more apporiate then |
| 01:37.11 | fellayaboy | i would do a netinstall but wifi is all i have |
| 01:37.24 | themill | what wifi chipset? |
| 01:37.37 | fellayaboy | broadcom |
| 01:38.04 | fellayaboy | sorry about that ..its atheros |
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| 01:38.27 | fellayaboy | Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) |
| 01:39.02 | themill | fellayaboy: I *think* that would be supported by the netinstall (or CD1 or DVD1 etc) right out of the box, no firmware required. |
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| 01:39.21 | fellayaboy | does the dvd 1 come with a windows manager like x11 or something or would i have to install that |
| 01:39.48 | fellayaboy | gnome* |
| 01:39.51 | poppy | fellayaboy: the packages are sorted by popularity |
| 01:40.36 | fellayaboy | i see kde, lxde.. im guessing gnome is the default...this is the one im downloading debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 01:41.57 | themill | that will have most of gnome on it but I don't think all of it fits any more |
| 01:42.02 | themill | particularly not on i386 |
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| 01:47.54 | fellayaboy | so how would i go about install gnome |
| 01:48.16 | fellayaboy | would it be as simple as sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 01:48.56 | nkuttler | !tell fellayaboy about install gnome |
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| 01:50.19 | themill | fellayaboy: if you've got CD1 and internet access at install time, then just selecting "desktop environment" in the last stages of the installer is enough |
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| 01:52.08 | fellayaboy | good enuff |
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| 01:57.21 | fellayaboy | so if i decide to install gnome after i completely finished the install...i would have to install xorg first.. |
| 01:57.50 | fellayaboy | then gnome using the link u gave me nkuttler |
| 02:00.31 | unclezipper | Is there something wrong with the website? I can't download the netinstaller from the site or the torrent |
| 02:00.53 | buu | How do I tell if a box has a 64bit cpu? |
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| 02:02.35 | poppy | buu: uname -m |
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| 02:02.55 | poppy | buu: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:03.01 | themill | buu: cat /proc/cpuinfo and look up the spec sheet |
| 02:03.15 | unclezipper | buu: For more robust info about your CPU that's easy to read, you could also use "sudo dmidecode -t processor" |
| 02:03.53 | buu | x86_64 |
| 02:03.53 | buu | hrm |
| 02:03.55 | unclezipper | But that's been known to be wrong about the processor type sometimes. It says mine is a Xeon when it's a Core 2 Quad, but everything else it says is right |
| 02:04.04 | buu | Shouldn't /proc/cpuinfo say amd64 someplace? |
| 02:04.29 | themill | buu: that's a chip that is supported by Debian's amd64 architecture |
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| 02:20.12 | davexunit | hello all. |
| 02:21.00 | davexunit | I've never booted the debian installer via a usb drive before and I can't seem to get it to work. |
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| 02:21.31 | davexunit | I have had success with other distros in the past, but the installer just yells about not finding a cdrom driver |
| 02:21.36 | davexunit | s/driver/drive/ |
| 02:24.40 | themill | davexunit: how did you put the installer on the usb stick? |
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| 02:27.25 | davexunit | yeah. it boots up to the installer fine. |
| 02:27.49 | davexunit | but then the installer complains a few steps in |
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| 02:28.10 | davexunit | I'm on a thinkpad x220 which has no optical driver |
| 02:28.18 | davexunit | s/driver/drive/ |
| 02:28.21 | davexunit | I keep doing that |
| 02:29.04 | davexunit | I'm trying to use the 64 bit graphical install btw |
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| 03:11.05 | irinix | anyone know a way to quickly tile windows in gnome3 |
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| 03:16.01 | jeep | has not used gnome3 enough to even guess |
| 03:16.48 | somiaj | remove gnome and install a tiling WM...(: |
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| 03:17.11 | somiaj | google suggests you need to install a tiling gnome extension first |
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| 03:19.22 | irinix | thanks somiaj, I don't know why I didn't just google that. |
| 03:19.24 | irinix | =( |
| 03:20.46 | somiaj | irinix: I am an biological google bot that enjoys sushi |
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| 04:01.44 | scootypuff | is it possible to install debian on a raid 1 partion? |
| 04:02.00 | aypea[1] | yes |
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| 04:02.17 | aypea[1] | both lilo and grub will handle the boot process just fine. |
| 04:02.20 | scootypuff | is it easy to do? |
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| 04:02.47 | scootypuff | ...to set up i mean |
| 04:02.52 | irinix | scootypuff, yes and no |
| 04:02.52 | aypea[1] | install as normal. you may need to install mbr on both drives if using lilo. it's been a while since I was doing this so things may have changed. |
| 04:03.06 | aypea[1] | if using grub install grub on both drives. |
| 04:03.16 | aypea[1] | that way if one hd fails you have a chance of booting off the other |
| 04:03.37 | aypea[1] | /boot can be raided without issue in either case |
| 04:03.48 | scootypuff | its raid 1 so the disk images should be mirror images |
| 04:04.07 | aypea[1] | are you using software raid or real hardware raid? |
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| 04:04.28 | scootypuff | my mobo supports raid |
| 04:04.54 | aypea[1] | ahh. wibbly-raid. :) always avoided that. not sure how to help you there. |
| 04:05.13 | scootypuff | and by that i mean it has a raid card |
| 04:05.14 | aypea[1] | has either used linux sw raid or real raid depending on availability |
| 04:05.55 | aypea[1] | the question still remains. the chipsets don't differ so much between mobo and card. |
| 04:06.28 | irinix | Here's a weird one....Any way to link text docs in GEdit? |
| 04:06.31 | aypea[1] | does s/w raid even on the cheapie raid cards |
| 04:06.53 | irinix | eg: hyperlink between different pages? |
| 04:07.03 | scootypuff | what is the difference between sw and hw raid? |
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| 04:08.00 | aypea[1] | hw raid is completely handled by the chipset. you may even have the option of on-board cache. |
| 04:08.06 | aypea[1] | software raid is handled by the cpu |
| 04:08.20 | aypea[1] | wibbly-raid (as I like to call it) is a mix of the two. |
| 04:08.34 | aypea[1] | your tools for controlling it may also be lacking |
| 04:08.36 | themill | irinix: gedit is just a text editor -- if you want wiki-like links between documents, you'd want an application a bit more fully-featured. Note-taking software like tomboy is set up to do that |
| 04:08.37 | aypea[1] | you want good tools. |
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| 04:09.18 | scootypuff | yeah, i tried throwing in an install usb and it didnt recognize the hw raid, just saw it as two disks |
| 04:09.21 | aypea[1] | especially in recovery. the things I've done with mdadm would make even an expensive hardware raid card cry but I got my data back off raid5 arrays with 3 drives in a state of (semi)death. |
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| 04:15.18 | scootypuff | so if i use mdadm to raid i can just install debian to one disk and use mdadm to copy everything over to the other disk? |
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| 04:20.35 | jcbjoe | is anyone here using mut if so are you using abook ? i have asked in #mutt but there all dead o_O |
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| 04:44.50 | FluxD | Hi, I am currently on debian 7.1 x64. What is the correct way to run 32bit applications with multi-arch method now? |
| 04:46.21 | themill | FluxD: things packaged for debian or random 32 bit things you downloaded from elsewhere? |
| 04:46.38 | FluxD | themill, 32bit things from elsewhere |
| 04:47.25 | themill | FluxD: so «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update» will enable you to install (some) i386 libraries on your amd64 installation. You could install the "ia32-libs" package to get a reasonable selection of them that will probably be enough. |
| 04:47.46 | FluxD | themill, so ia-32libs is not removed yet? |
| 04:48.03 | themill | all it does is help you install the real i386 packages with multiarch |
| 04:48.20 | FluxD | ah ok thanks a lot themill |
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| 04:48.56 | themill | ,i ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 04:48.57 | judd | Package ia32-libs (oldlibs, optional) in wheezy/amd64: Transitional package to migrate ia32-libs to multiarch. Version: 1:0.4; Size: 111.6k; Installed: 111k |
| 04:49.34 | FluxD | themill, it wants to download a lot of stuff I dont need, will it mess up anything? |
| 04:49.36 | themill | (you can «/msg judd depends ia32-libs-i386» to get a nice long list of everything it will install for you) |
| 04:49.57 | themill | well if you know you don't need it then don't install ia32-libs at all and instead install the packages you know you do need |
| 04:50.24 | FluxD | ldd should tell me that right? |
| 04:50.31 | themill | My approach here is just "disk space is cheap and I'd rather not spend time working out the right answer" |
| 04:50.32 | themill | should do |
| 04:50.42 | themill | that and apt-file |
| 04:51.18 | FluxD | I got "not a dynamic executable" |
| 04:51.51 | themill | what is this thing? |
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| 04:52.12 | themill | what does "file /path/to/foo" say about it? |
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| 04:52.32 | FluxD | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x86eefae5689c23729b6fa4dfa3aceab3836688c2, not stripped |
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| 04:59.58 | FluxD | themill, libc6-i386 fixed it I think thanks |
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| 05:01.28 | irinix | themill, Thanks! That was just what I was looking for. |
| 05:01.43 | themill | hmm... "readelf -d foo |grep NEEDED" should work |
| 05:01.44 | themill | ah |
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| 05:06.16 | blackjack | what is the file that i need to edit if i want to change my domain ip in vps? |
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| 06:02.18 | n0c | °/wc |
| 06:02.29 | n0c | whoops |
| 06:03.01 | m00n | lol |
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| 06:09.40 | nicknammee | Hi i'm having trouble with alsa. It sort of stopped working. I see no module named alsa when lsmodding. I have tried restarting alsa-utils. What should I try next? |
| 06:09.52 | Coburn | 'sort of' |
| 06:09.59 | Coburn | does alsamixer exist? |
| 06:10.03 | nicknammee | yep |
| 06:10.12 | Coburn | what happens when you run it? |
| 06:10.17 | Coburn | no mixer found? |
| 06:10.42 | Coburn | alsa doesn't have a module as per se... it's actually snd-* |
| 06:10.45 | nicknammee | i can f6 and pick either my HSA Intel PCH and HDA Nvidia. I moved all up max levels |
| 06:11.05 | Coburn | What is the problem? No sound, etc? |
| 06:11.06 | nicknammee | Coburn: i do see a soundcore 13065 1 snd |
| 06:11.19 | Coburn | Yeah, that's Linux sound core module |
| 06:11.22 | nicknammee | yeah no sound on my speaks |
| 06:11.34 | Coburn | was it working before? |
| 06:11.59 | Coburn | try unplugging and replugging the connector, sometimes that helps. |
| 06:12.27 | Coburn | otherwise, can you pastebin (or tty1.co) the output of amixer ? (don't paste it here, you'll get banned) |
| 06:12.35 | jcbjoe | anyone get the dreaded WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /something/pkcs11 |
| 06:12.46 | jcbjoe | it happens to me in mutt i think it happend me in weechat-curses |
| 06:12.58 | nicknammee | yeah. But i went crazy , removed gdm3 re-isntalled it and got mate , xfce and other things which now are fixed. After messing with those I think i broke it somehow. |
| 06:13.10 | Coburn | basically... amixer > file.txt and then open that file and paste it on pastebin |
| 06:13.23 | jcbjoe | nicknammee: that for me ? |
| 06:13.23 | Coburn | Yeah, it could be that there's one setting that needs to be changed |
| 06:13.37 | Coburn | jcbjoe: no, that was directed at me |
| 06:13.45 | jcbjoe | o_O |
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| 06:14.43 | nicknammee | Coburn: I can unplug my speaks and plug them into my laptop here and it works fine so I dont think it's the phsyical connecter. Here is the output of amixer: http://pastebin.com/Rx6mQi61 |
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| 06:15.34 | Coburn | nicknammee: in the alsamixer window, is there any items there on your Intel sound mixer that says MM ? |
| 06:15.42 | Coburn | If so, it means it's muted. |
| 06:15.59 | Coburn | Looking at the output of your pastebin, it looks like something's muted the sound output |
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| 06:16.24 | nicknammee | uh yes how to unmute? lol |
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| 06:16.32 | nicknammee | i see MM |
| 06:16.33 | Coburn | press M |
| 06:16.37 | Coburn | it'll be OO then |
| 06:16.58 | nicknammee | oh lawdy |
| 06:17.00 | nicknammee | thank you so much |
| 06:17.04 | nicknammee | Coburn: |
| 06:17.06 | Coburn | no problem |
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| 06:28.50 | l1t | Trying to install compiz here. I get compiz : Depends: compiz-gtk (>= 0.8.4-4) but it is not going to be installed, which i then try to apt-get install but then it says i need libmetacity-private0 which i then try to apt-get install which says i need metacity-common which I actually have. What should I do? On wheezy. |
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| 06:29.53 | renar | help, install the packages nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-amd64 nvidia-glxnvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings and does not start GUI |
| 06:30.01 | renar | hi all |
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| 06:32.31 | renar | hi |
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| 06:52.07 | themill | nothingnesss: since wheezy, compiz isn't actually in debian which is probably making your job harder here |
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| 07:07.28 | xlinkz0 | Hi, I've installed debian alongside windows from a netinst image but it couldn't use the wifi driver as it said it was 'non-free', i've found the driver and got the archive, how do i install it? |
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| 07:11.29 | Storfiskaren | xlinkz0: is it a .deb-file? Then you can install it by (as root) dpkg -i <file> |
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| 07:12.18 | xlinkz0 | it's .ucode |
| 07:12.53 | xlinkz0 | but how do i get it from usb? |
| 07:13.03 | xlinkz0 | i don't have a graphical interface yet |
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| 07:13.57 | Storfiskaren | hmm, then I'm afraid I can't help you |
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| 07:27.03 | khurram | hello |
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| 07:29.05 | owen1 | i setup my router to WPA2 Personal and i can't connect to the internet (using wicd, WPA 1/2 passphrase). any tips? |
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| 07:35.59 | m00n | no, but i actually have a similar problem on my netbook, own |
| 07:36.03 | m00n | owen1* |
| 07:36.33 | owen1 | m00n: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/720439 |
| 07:36.38 | owen1 | maybe it's related? |
| 07:36.56 | owen1 | my wicd version is 1.7.2.4 |
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| 07:38.33 | m00n | quite possibly. My netbook has ubuntu on it i think.. or maybe debian idr i installed like a month ago and sort of forgot about it until a few days ago lol |
| 07:38.46 | m00n | it is running xfce ill tell you that much |
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| 07:42.34 | Freejack | Anyone know if the Binder kernel module is part of Debian? |
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| 07:44.58 | owen1 | Mo0O: after swtching my router to 2.4 GHz i was able to connect. mabye my wireless card doesn't support 5GHz? is there a way to verify that? |
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| 07:47.56 | m00n | i have no idea |
| 07:48.03 | tvm | owen1: iwconfig wlan0 | grep -i IEEE |
| 07:48.16 | tvm | if there's only 802.11BGN, you're 2.4 only |
| 07:49.12 | owen1 | tvm: yeah. that's all i see there. |
| 07:49.29 | tvm | no 5ghz, then. |
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| 07:49.54 | owen1 | tvm: is there a way to know that before buying a laptop? |
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| 07:50.21 | tvm | yeah, you'll see listed the standards in th specs |
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| 07:50.28 | tvm | if there bgn, they're all 2.4 standards |
| 07:50.34 | tvm | 5ghz would be a or c |
| 07:50.50 | xlinkz0 | how do i download a .deb file from the web? |
| 07:50.59 | tvm | err, drop the c, i'm wrong |
| 07:51.15 | xlinkz0 | i need to put this package on a usb drive : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 07:51.31 | tvm | owen1: so basically, you want 802.11abgn for example, a must be present |
| 07:51.37 | owen1 | tvm: RTL8188CE 802.11b/gn |
| 07:51.47 | xlinkz0 | ah nvm |
| 07:51.47 | tvm | that's 2.4 only |
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| 07:52.04 | owen1 | ok. can i replace my wifi adapter? |
| 07:52.12 | tvm | 1 |
| 07:52.17 | tvm | blah. |
| 07:52.22 | tvm | owen1: on notebook ? |
| 07:52.30 | owen1 | lenovo x120e |
| 07:52.45 | tvm | probably not, but you can buy external wifi dongle for example |
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| 07:53.41 | mumpitzel | owen1: you can buy a Broadcom Mini PCIe 802.11 a/b/g/n WLAN adapter (FRU 60Y3251) |
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| 07:54.03 | mumpitzel | of course only if it has linux drivers which is not always the case with broadcom |
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| 07:54.33 | tvm | broadcom is problematic, their newer stuff requires closed source drivers usually |
| 07:54.52 | mumpitzel | owen1: or you get a modded BIOS for your x120e and then you can use any mini pcie wlan |
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| 07:56.33 | owen1 | mumpitzel: thanks guys. i'll just be more careful with the next lenovo i get |
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| 07:56.47 | owen1 | i'll make sure to look at the wireless card spets |
| 07:56.50 | owen1 | specs |
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| 07:58.08 | mumpitzel | a modded BIOS apparently does exist btw |
| 07:58.55 | m00n | link |
| 07:58.57 | \dev\zero | modded ass too |
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| 07:59.17 | \dev\zero | wit a huge penises inside |
| 07:59.19 | \dev\zero | lol |
| 08:00.14 | mumpitzel | themill: you still awake? |
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| 08:07.28 | xlinkz0 | I've installed the wifi driver package, how do I make debian reconfigure the network? |
| 08:07.45 | xlinkz0 | and how do i resume the netinst installation now that it has the wifi driver? |
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| 08:14.20 | zeeflo | can anyone here put a name on these DAS? http://dbastatic.dk/pictures/pictures/58/19/5a76-8606-4858-81e8-a5d157eb3b7f.jpg?preset=large |
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| 08:55.13 | dsample | Hi. I'm having trouble setting up KVM to share a directory on the host with the guest OS |
| 08:55.37 | dsample | when I try to do the 9p mount on the guest it says the mount point doesn't exist |
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| 08:57.11 | oobe | Hey iceweasel wont run after an apt-get upgrade it is complaining about xulrunner |
| 08:57.12 | oobe | Error: Platform version '17.0.9' is not compatible with |
| 08:57.13 | oobe | minVersion >= 17.0.8 |
| 08:57.13 | oobe | maxVersion <= 17.0.8 |
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| 08:57.46 | oobe | how can I downgrade to 17.0.8 or upgrade iceweasel as there is an update that is being kept back |
| 08:58.22 | mumpitzel | ,v xulrunner-17.0 |
| 08:58.23 | judd | Package: xulrunner-17.0 on i386 -- jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; sid: 17.0.8esr-2; wheezy-security: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1 |
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| 08:59.07 | mumpitzel | oobe: what is the output of apt-cache policy xulrunner-17.0 ? |
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| 09:00.19 | oobe | mumpitzel, http://pastebin.com/BDJ10MyA |
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| 09:01.30 | mumpitzel | oobe: upgrade your iceweasel. it has 17.0.9 in wheezy security updates |
| 09:01.47 | oobe | I tried it wont let me |
| 09:01.58 | mumpitzel | what command with what output? |
| 09:02.19 | oobe | ah actually it will now |
| 09:02.55 | oobe | I disabled an old iceweasel backports line in sources.ist thing that came from an older install |
| 09:02.59 | oobe | ty |
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| 09:13.43 | Ribas1981 | http://Fun4Days.com/sms/sms.php?share=63274 |
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| 09:29.33 | morsik | hi guys |
| 09:29.46 | morsik | simple question: what is preferred for debian administrating? apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 09:30.00 | morsik | some time ago i heard that aptitude does better everything |
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| 09:31.43 | tremon | !why aptitude |
| 09:31.44 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 09:31.56 | tremon | !why not aptitude |
| 09:31.57 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 09:32.19 | tremon | morsik: you get to pick your own |
| 09:32.22 | zexcriz | if i have multiple debian instances running, how can i manage them ? |
| 09:32.39 | mumpitzel | zexcriz: what kind of instances? VM? |
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| 09:33.29 | zexcriz | at present i have a lab which runs 6 debian on it. Yeah it's VM. |
| 09:33.33 | dsample | zexcriz: tried Chef or Puppet? |
| 09:33.48 | \dev\zero | pick of destiny |
| 09:34.13 | mumpitzel | to manage VMs: libvirt, virt-manager, etc. and to manage debian installations, what dsample wrote |
| 09:34.14 | zexcriz | dsample, no. |
| 09:34.28 | zexcriz | nutcase, ok |
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| 09:35.28 | dsample | mumpitzel, do you have any experience with virtio? |
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| 09:36.33 | mumpitzel | no |
| 09:36.47 | zilleplus | dsample i use virtio on windows and linux |
| 09:36.55 | \dev\zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.00 | \dev\zero | really ? |
| 09:37.13 | zilleplus | lolzzzz |
| 09:37.16 | babilen | morsik: It really depends on what you want to do. I use apt-get by default, but switch to aptitude if I need one of its features (search patterns, interactive resolver, ...) -- They are both handy and simply two different tools in your large toolbox. |
| 09:37.35 | morsik | mhm. well, thanks (-; |
| 09:38.17 | mumpitzel | apt-get is by now muscle memory :) |
| 09:38.49 | jiohdi | is aptitude better if you are running sid or testing as well? |
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| 09:39.02 | dsample | zilleplus, I've tried to follow the qemu 9psetup page and the linux-kvm 9p_virtio page but I can't seem to mount the directory within the guest OS |
| 09:39.05 | jiohdi | for upgrades |
| 09:39.17 | mumpitzel | jiohdi: I have no probelms with apt there |
| 09:39.19 | dsample | zilleplus, it always says the mount point doesn't exist |
| 09:39.32 | zilleplus | weird sec let me think |
| 09:39.34 | \dev\zero | apt-get install pamela.exe |
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| 09:39.56 | jiohdi | mumpitzel, recently an update broke my encfs |
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| 09:40.25 | dsample | zilleplus, do the 9p modules have to be compiled into the guest OS kernel or can I leave them as modules? I've done modprobe 9p |
| 09:40.32 | babilen | \dev\zero: Please try to stay on topic and professional in here. Thank you! |
| 09:40.42 | jiohdi | maybe aptitude would have done a better job? |
| 09:40.51 | mumpitzel | jiohdi: that's sid for you. it always breaks stuff. but how apt frontend would change this I dunno |
| 09:41.03 | zilleplus | modprobe is fine |
| 09:41.22 | jiohdi | mumpitzel, I was able to fix it with a few strategic sym links |
| 09:41.25 | mumpitzel | aptitude might resolve dependencies better/differently but it won't keep a package content itself from breaking |
| 09:41.33 | \dev\zero | yeah |
| 09:41.45 | \dev\zero | i'm using debian/bsd for years |
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| 09:42.17 | jiohdi | mumpitzel, it was not so much that the package was broke but that encfs was looking for a specific lib and the update upgraded above that number and it could not find it any more |
| 09:42.30 | mumpitzel | in translation: the package was broken |
| 09:43.11 | jiohdi | it seems odd that a better lib would not be detected |
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| 09:46.01 | tremon | jiohdi: did you compile encfs yourself? |
| 09:46.12 | jiohdi | no, it was from standard repo |
| 09:46.46 | dsample | zilleplus, do I need anything else loaded on the host? I only configured the VM mount point with virt-manager and the XML config |
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| 09:47.11 | tremon | you should probably file a bugreport about it then. No sense letting everyone discover that bug on their own |
| 09:47.36 | jiohdi | tremon, I dont know how to do that |
| 09:48.36 | jiohdi | since its been more than a week, how do I tell if its not already fixed? |
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| 09:53.37 | tremon | reportbug will tell you if you're not running the latest version. If you are already running the latest version, you may assume that it's not fixed yet |
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| 10:32.04 | tonph | hi can someone help me in this in 64bit wheezy ParseError: Unrecognised input in, compiling less to csss |
| 10:32.41 | tonph | I apologize in advance, if I m in wrong place |
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| 10:46.32 | willem | hi , i'm having troubles with my new soundcard, i just installed my terratec aureon 5.1 pci soundcard in my pc but is doesnt work |
| 10:46.32 | willem | if i do dmesg it gives a couple of thousand thimes this as output ' 18.725306] cmipci: invalid PCM pointer: 0xffff" |
| 10:46.32 | willem | in alsamixer (terminal) i can see my soundcard but in sound in gui i can't see it |
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| 10:51.37 | xlinkz0 | can I modify the netinst image somehow to include a non-free wifi driver? |
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| 10:52.27 | willem | anyone... |
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| 10:52.28 | m00n | you can |
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| 10:53.02 | xlinkz0 | or should i just install with the cd1 and use the wifi adapter after that? |
| 10:53.14 | m00n | im almost positive its just throwing the driver into the iso (in the right spot) before you burn the disk |
| 10:53.35 | m00n | i could be wrong |
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| 11:00.06 | remmy | Hi all. I am in the middle of a botched squeeze to wheezy upgrade, probably induced by trying a regular apt-get upgrade for the first time in many months. My apt sources were pointing to stable. Since then, I've been going back and forth between "squeeze" and "wheezy" in my sources, but no luck. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/s4SKxG5f |
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| 11:03.19 | remmy | I should note that I was on kernel 2.6.18 still at the start of all this |
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| 11:05.24 | woshty_ | remmy: Have you tried doing what it suggests you might want to try? |
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| 11:06.53 | jelly-home | remmy: that looks like a bit of a mess. Which kernel are you running at present? |
| 11:06.59 | remmy | woshty: Yup...http://pastebin.com/vRLXw0jF |
| 11:07.20 | remmy | jelly-home: 2.6.18-prep |
| 11:07.54 | jelly-home | remmy: well, you'll have to upgrade and boot into 2.6.32 at the very least first |
| 11:08.17 | remmy | jelly-home: I would if I knew how to get there :( |
| 11:08.25 | jelly-home | remmy: wget and dpkg! |
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| 11:09.19 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 11:09.19 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:10.04 | woshty | jelly-home: Which 2.6.32 version would be most likely to install? Some old bpo or a regular kernel? |
| 11:10.12 | jelly-home | remmy: please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy cpp-4.4 gcc-4.4-base libc6 libgcc1 libmpfr4" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 11:10.17 | jelly-home | woshty: doesn't matter |
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| 11:10.28 | remmy | jelly-home: After changing my sources back to squeeze: http://pastebin.com/pGdmSSB5 |
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| 11:11.11 | jelly-home | remmy: yeah, you won't use apt for that. |
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| 11:11.25 | remmy | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/FrZ0biMY |
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| 11:12.31 | jelly-home | remmy: and "apt-cache policy"? |
| 11:12.41 | remmy | jelly-home: Sorry, http://pastebin.com/i8tavLrX |
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| 11:13.29 | torgnoletaface | hello |
| 11:13.54 | jelly-home | remmy: looks like mostly-squeeze at this point, except for libgcc1 that just got upgraded |
| 11:13.55 | torgnoletaface | i have some problem with debian on virtualbox ( seven ) |
| 11:14.20 | torgnoletaface | what s kernel i must use for this ? |
| 11:14.26 | remmy | jelly-home: I think it stalled first on the libc upgrade needing kernel >-2.6.26 |
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| 11:16.43 | jelly-home | remmy: wget and install http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/libgcc1_4.4.5-8_amd64.deb that just got upgraded, for a start |
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| 11:18.16 | jelly-home | remmy: then try to install squeeze linux-image-amd64 with apt, and pastebin the output of that when it fails |
| 11:18.17 | remmy | jelly-home: Did that, got: http://pastebin.com/DXysTACM |
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| 11:21.50 | remmy | Try the same with the kernel image? |
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| 11:24.04 | jelly-home | hm. |
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| 11:24.56 | remmy | jelly-home: Thank you for your time btw. |
| 11:25.28 | jelly-home | remmy: which version of libc-bin is installed? |
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| 11:26.50 | jelly-home | you seem to have had a bothed upgrade _to_ squeeze somewhere in the past as well; squeeze versions of udev and kernel ought to have gotten installed at that time |
| 11:27.05 | jelly-home | botched* |
| 11:27.19 | remmy | jelly-home: I may have gone lenny --> squeeze without a reboot |
| 11:27.37 | jelly-home | remmy: please show the contents of your /boot/ as well |
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| 11:28.12 | jelly-home | ls -la /boot will suffice |
| 11:28.12 | remmy | jelly-home: I've been trying to install 2.6.32 the same way now.... |
| 11:28.15 | remmy | parkroyal:~# ls /boot |
| 11:28.15 | remmy | config-2.6.32-5-amd64 System.map-2.6.32-5-amd64 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 11:29.05 | remmy | Sorry if I jumped ahead |
| 11:29.10 | jelly-home | remmy: I don't see this system being bootable, you don't have initrd image, nor the tools to create one (and probably no udev either) |
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| 11:29.53 | remmy | jelly-home: I guess I botched it up good :/ |
| 11:30.00 | jelly-home | so get hold of a recent 64bit linux livecd/liveusb, you're going to need it |
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| 11:30.22 | remmy | jelly-home: It's a remote machine for added fun. |
| 11:30.58 | remmy | I'll scp /home and /etc over just in case |
| 11:30.59 | jelly-home | with no ability to boot of an .iso or remote console access, I bet |
| 11:31.35 | remmy | jelly-home: I can reinstall a blank image or have remote console access if needed |
| 11:31.48 | jelly-home | a blank image of what? |
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| 11:32.11 | remmy | jelly-home: It's a VPS, they should have a wheezy image I think |
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| 11:32.58 | remmy | reads.... no, squeeze is the latest it seems... grr. |
| 11:33.25 | jelly-home | remmy: what kind of VPS? |
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| 11:35.03 | jelly-home | remmy: if it's openvz or some other container system with a shared kernel, and where you don't have control of the kernel, wheezy userspace just will not work |
| 11:35.09 | jelly-home | on 2.6.18 that is. |
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| 11:36.00 | remmy | jelly-home: xen based it seems |
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| 11:37.33 | jelly-home | remmy: what does "cat /proc/mounts" say? |
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| 11:38.27 | remmy | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/tqy1cEsE |
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| 11:39.47 | jelly-home | not much there, and a distinct (and predicted) lack of udev /dev |
| 11:40.27 | remmy | jelly-home: Your advice would be, "copy what you need, reinstall, changes sources.list from stable to squeeze"? |
| 11:40.58 | jelly-home | remmy: that sounds sane |
| 11:41.18 | ompaul | if it has not been upgraded at all since wheezy came out |
| 11:41.20 | jelly-home | sources.list on squeeze should point to squeeze by default |
| 11:41.51 | ompaul | check in logs apt history.log to make sure |
| 11:42.03 | jelly-home | ompaul: that kernel is from around etch. I'm kind of surprised squeeze userspace works as it is at all |
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| 11:42.31 | ompaul | my alertness is not that good ... |
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| 11:42.41 | jelly-home | judd: v imvirt |
| 11:42.42 | judd | Package: imvirt on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.0-2; squeeze-backports: 0.9.4-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4-4; jessie: 0.9.6-1; sid: 0.9.6-1 |
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| 11:44.16 | ompaul | if it is etch then etch -> lenny -> squeeze etc |
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| 11:44.21 | remmy | Thanks for your help jelly-home. Message me your paypal email addy or project of choice for a small donation for your time and picking your brain. |
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| 11:46.30 | b3hnam | How can I purge the old removed apt packages ? |
| 11:46.56 | ompaul | apt-get autoremove |
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| 11:48.05 | ompaul | b3hnam: if a package was already removed then it should have gone, I'm doing a loose interpretation of what I read :) |
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| 11:52.07 | jelly-home | b3hnam: aptitude purge '~c' |
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| 11:53.59 | b3hnam | jelly-home: what is the meaning of '~c' ? |
| 11:54.40 | jelly-home | b3hnam: if you install aptitude-doc-en, you can read about the search terms here /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 11:55.04 | jelly-home | ?config-files, ~c |
| 11:55.04 | jelly-home | Matches packages which have been removed, but whose configuration files remain on the system (ie, they were removed but not purged). |
| 11:55.20 | ompaul | match removed but not purged packages |
| 11:55.32 | ompaul | which I took from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
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| 11:56.45 | jelly-home | imagine that, debian-reference manual answering EXACTLY the question a user has asked |
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| 11:57.12 | jelly-home | who knows, maybe it might be worth to check it out |
| 11:57.24 | ompaul | jelly-home: I might even read it myself :) |
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| 12:14.24 | Duality | hi |
| 12:14.45 | Duality | question is it possible to install a diffrent distro in this case debian from a ubuntu live cd ? |
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| 12:17.45 | jelly-home | Duality: yes, using debootstrap. |
| 12:18.02 | jelly-home | Duality: read about debootstrap in Debian's install guide. |
| 12:18.26 | jelly-home | !ig |
| 12:18.26 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 12:18.54 | Duality | jelly-home: suppose my ubuntu live cd is to old to install debootstrap what do I do then ? |
| 12:18.57 | Duality | or could |
| 12:19.18 | jelly-home | Duality: you'd grab the latest debootstrap from debian unstable first |
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| 12:21.13 | rendar | (without have started Xorg) i type in console 'loadkeys it' since i have an italian keyboard, but i only get this: "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" -- any clue how to solve this? |
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| 12:25.27 | Almtesh | Hi everyone. |
| 12:25.33 | Almtesh | I'm using samba. |
| 12:25.59 | Almtesh | I want samba to give different access to share when connected by a specific host. |
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| 12:26.08 | Almtesh | How can I do that? |
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| 12:44.49 | ksdncv | hello, would recommend zfs for replacing a raid5 or would be better to stay with md+ext4 ? |
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| 12:46.10 | rockprincess | hi everyone! |
| 12:46.21 | rockprincess | does anyone have any experiences with multipathing? |
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| 12:46.45 | jelly-home | rockprincess: yes, ask the real question |
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| 12:49.06 | rysiek|pl | rockprincess: be as specific as you can, do tell what you have tried and what you are trying to achieve |
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| 12:51.09 | rockprincess | jelly-home and rysieklpl: ok, it seems I have a major production problem with one of the SAN storage.....a multipath -ll lists the following error message: "sdb: checker msg is "tur checker reports path is down" |
| 12:51.27 | rockprincess | and also \_ 1:0:0:0 sdb 8:16 [failed][faulty] |
| 12:51.39 | rockprincess | i'm panicking, since I don't know what to do :( |
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| 12:51.52 | jelly-home | rockprincess: that's normal when the path is, well, actually down. Pastebin the whole output please. |
| 12:51.53 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 12:51.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:52.00 | rysiek|pl | doesn't know anything about multipath, hope somebody will help |
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| 12:52.09 | rockprincess | ok |
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| 12:52.41 | jelly-home | rockprincess: also pastebin the last say 200-ish lines of /var/log/kern.log or dmesg, and check whether multipathd process is running |
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| 12:53.53 | rockprincess | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/44183/ |
| 12:54.00 | rockprincess | ok will now pastebin the kern.log |
| 12:54.36 | luky | hallo, i have installed postix on debian 7. at the configurationsite it asks me to enter a setup password. Ok i did that but after it was done it says Setup password not specified correctly |
| 12:54.41 | jelly-home | oh, all paths are down, that's not nice at all |
| 12:54.44 | luky | what could that be? |
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| 12:55.50 | rockprincess | and here you go: dmesg |
| 12:55.51 | rockprincess | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c4123265/ |
| 12:56.17 | rockprincess | jelly-home: yes, i'm confused....i have no idea what went wrong :( |
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| 12:56.52 | jelly-home | rockprincess: does it happen on this SAN client only? |
| 12:57.08 | troubled | <drive by>http://www.pasteall.org/pic/59636</drive by> :) o/ |
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| 12:57.23 | rockprincess | jelly-home: yes, the other 2nd node server doesn't seem to have a problem with it....so it must only be a local problem on this server. |
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| 12:58.19 | rockprincess | jelly-home: i was running a vgexport and vgchange -an -v before. maybe this fucked it up?! |
| 12:58.21 | jelly-home | rockprincess: well, those dmesg lines only show scsi io errors after the issue started. Can you find where the problem started in kern.log? |
| 12:58.33 | jelly-home | rockprincess: unlikely |
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| 12:59.01 | rockprincess | jelly-home: there's no kern.log ....i think everything is logged into message.log ....i will check there. |
| 12:59.13 | jelly-home | rockprincess: are you sure this is a Debian system? |
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| 12:59.52 | rockprincess | jelly-home: nope, this is a red hat system......but no one answered there, so i figured I might check here, if anyone has an idea. ;) |
| 13:00.24 | jelly-home | rockprincess: ok. Let's continue this in ##linux; this channel is for Debian only |
| 13:00.55 | rockprincess | ok, sorry about that ;) |
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| 13:05.41 | julien | bonjour |
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| 13:06.27 | Guest95490 | j'ai un problaime d'installation, je vien cherchai de l'aide |
| 13:06.50 | jelly-home | !fr |
| 13:06.50 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 13:07.12 | Guest95490 | ok merci |
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| 13:07.50 | Thaalos | or #debianfr |
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| 13:17.00 | txp | hello everybody. I'm using debian stable with xfce and planing to upgrade to debian testing. So I tried the procedure in a VM, but when I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" all the gnome packages for gnome-shell are installed as well. How can I prevent this and upgrade debian with xfce as the only desktop environment? |
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| 13:18.23 | mumpitzel | txp: try without recommends for the dist-upgrade |
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| 13:21.12 | txp | mumpitzel: NICE! thanks a lot! |
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| 13:25.25 | jbrasch | can you give virtualbox raw write access to a drive, install debian through the virtualbox, then drop that hdd into a different computer before the first boot without issue? |
| 13:25.45 | mumpitzel | it's possible, yes |
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| 13:26.13 | jbrasch | i can't think of any gotchas since it's the same install each time, more or less |
| 13:26.17 | jbrasch | just making sure |
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| 13:41.07 | luky | hi, can someone help me out please? i am trying to install a postfix webserver. |
| 13:41.55 | luky | installation successful. iam right now at the setup admin page and it asks where i have to enter the setup password. after this is done it says: "Setup password not specified correctly" |
| 13:42.03 | mrdeb | hi |
| 13:42.05 | luky | i googled but i cant find anything useful |
| 13:42.18 | mrdeb | can compton be uploaded to main debian repo, since xcompmgr is unstable? |
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| 13:42.22 | mrdeb | why hasn't it been yet |
| 13:42.26 | giuscri | \join #python |
| 13:42.31 | giuscri | \wc |
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| 13:42.36 | jelly-home | mrdeb: what's compton? |
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| 13:42.52 | themill | ,i compton sid |
| 13:42.54 | judd | Package compton (x11, extra) in sid/i386: compositor for X11, based on xcompmgr. Version: 0.1~beta1-1; Size: 81.2k; Installed: 199k; Homepage: https://github.com/chjj/compton |
| 13:42.55 | themill | ^^ that. |
| 13:43.07 | jelly-home | looks like it's already in debian? |
| 13:43.31 | mrdeb | compton-git is a fork of xcompmgr with correct bug fixes |
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| 13:43.50 | mrdeb | xcompmgr leaves shadow bugs all the time |
| 13:44.24 | jelly-home | mrdeb: which debian release are you using? New packages do not enter stable. |
| 13:44.31 | mrdeb | debian 7 |
| 13:44.36 | mrdeb | it does this in 7 and is not stable |
| 13:44.50 | mrdeb | so really stable should be called frozen release, not stable imo |
| 13:45.00 | themill | mrdeb: that's what stable means |
| 13:45.07 | jelly-home | mrdeb: that's pretty much what it means, yes |
| 13:45.17 | mrdeb | if its broken its not stable by reasonable definition |
| 13:45.36 | themill | mrdeb: no, stable means "unchanging". |
| 13:46.00 | mrdeb | i do not agree with that at all but ok |
| 13:46.05 | jelly-home | mrdeb: until debian 8 is out, you will have to backport the software on your own or ask someone to do it if you want to use it in the current release. |
| 13:46.12 | mrdeb | i fixed it by installing deb someone compiled so now its ok |
| 13:46.15 | somiaj | the only bugs that are guarnteed to be fixed in stable are release-critical bugs. Many times packges get removed from stable when the bugs can't be fixed easily. |
| 13:46.34 | mrdeb | im not going to bother backporting bec it is probably still broken in testing or sid |
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| 13:46.54 | jelly-home | "someone compiled" <- that was backporting |
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| 13:47.54 | mrdeb | then is it not in repo |
| 13:47.54 | mrdeb | i had to dl a deb file |
| 13:48.00 | jelly-home | indeed |
| 13:48.15 | jelly-home | that is pretty much what a custom backport is about |
| 13:48.25 | themill | yay for installing random packages from who knows where |
| 13:48.36 | mrdeb | well it should be in repo that can dl from sources.list |
| 13:49.05 | themill | mrdeb: things happen when someone volunteers to do it. Are you volunteering? |
| 13:49.40 | mrdeb | no, im not smart enough to do it |
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| 13:50.08 | themill | it wouldn't hurt to be a little less demanding if you're not prepared to volunteer yourself |
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| 13:51.58 | mrdeb | i am just saying it is abasic fix that is strange is not fixed |
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| 13:52.47 | day | is there a trick to cp onto an smb:// share ? |
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| 13:53.28 | jelly-home | day: either mount it, or use smbclient |
| 13:53.30 | musca | mrdeb: As a user you can send a bugreport, it may help to get your wish become true in the next release. |
| 13:54.02 | jelly-home | musca: the software is going to end up in the next release automatically anyway |
| 13:54.25 | musca | with or without bugs? |
| 13:54.39 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 13:55.16 | day | jelly-home: how do filemanager do it? do they mount? |
| 13:55.47 | jelly-home | day: some do, some use smbclient fucntionality as a library |
| 13:56.34 | day | jelly-home: thanks. i look into smbclient. sounds promising |
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| 13:59.49 | somiaj | mrdeb: also bug repots with patches are useful too. (: |
| 14:01.01 | mrdeb | i dontknow what that means |
| 14:01.23 | abrotman | less whining, more doing |
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| 14:08.35 | jelly-home | not everyone has to know what a patch is |
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| 14:09.11 | abrotman | so less whining then |
| 14:09.31 | jelly-home | that goes both ways |
| 14:09.48 | abrotman | sure does .. |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | three ways perhaps |
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| 14:18.20 | zamba | what has happened with smbfs in latest version of debian? |
| 14:18.31 | zamba | unknown filesystem smbfs |
| 14:18.40 | jelly-home | use cifs instead |
| 14:18.42 | themill | it's been called cifs for a while now |
| 14:19.12 | zamba | well, cifs doesn't work the way i want it to |
| 14:19.17 | zamba | i'm not able to write as a regular user |
| 14:19.39 | zinx | they are the same thing :/ |
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| 14:19.51 | zamba | drwxrwxrwx 2 nobody nogroup |
| 14:20.00 | zamba | $ touch duh |
| 14:20.01 | jelly-home | zamba: you'll want to use the correct uid= and gid= mount options, then |
| 14:20.02 | zamba | touch: cannot touch `duh': Permission denied |
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| 14:20.27 | zamba | the 'duh' file is there and i can remove it |
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| 14:21.13 | zinx | zamba: the permission denied is for setting the date probably |
| 14:21.22 | zinx | zamba: or some other permissions |
| 14:21.47 | zamba | i used this for smbfs: file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 |
| 14:21.59 | zamba | maybe not used for cifs? |
| 14:22.19 | zinx | dunno, check man mount.cifs |
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| 14:23.50 | samuelmh | does anybody know if it's possible to make an intel GMA3600 work with the modesetting driver instead of the fbdev one? |
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| 14:35.26 | mrdeb | where do you find rlease notes for iceweasel 17.0.9 |
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| 14:39.46 | somiaj | what kinda notes are you looking for, /usr/share/doc/iceweasel contains change logs and stuff like that |
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| 14:41.45 | somiaj | zamba: I recall you needed to set the umask, dmask and fmask options |
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| 14:43.07 | somiaj | zmode: nope I recall wrong, it is file_mode, and dir_mode by the man page |
| 14:43.31 | zmode | zamba: ^ |
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| 14:47.02 | zamba | somiaj: yeah, but they don't work :p |
| 14:47.40 | zamba | auto,guest,iocharset=utf8,uid=nobody,gid=nogroup,rw,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 |
| 14:47.46 | zamba | there's the options in fstab |
| 14:48.04 | zamba | -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 0 Sep 21 16:47 duh |
| 14:48.11 | zamba | new files are created with 644 |
| 14:48.16 | zamba | instead of 777 |
| 14:48.35 | themill | your own umask still applies |
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| 14:49.18 | zamba | ok, so the problem is that the owner is set to nobody:nogroup, and then the user loses control over the file |
| 14:49.20 | zamba | so to speak |
| 14:50.40 | themill | also note what the man page says about "CIFS unix extensions" for *_mode |
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| 14:51.46 | Takumo | Hi all, got a question |
| 14:52.06 | Takumo | I have a file here, if I run "file $f" I get " ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 14:52.20 | Takumo | If I chmod +x $f and then do ./$f I get "no such file or directory" |
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| 14:53.17 | themill | !which arch |
| 14:53.18 | dpkg | To help us understand architecture-related problems, please give us the output of «(dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo». |
| 14:54.02 | Takumo | amd64 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 14:54.36 | themill | Takumo: have you installed the necessary 32 bit libraries for this thing? |
| 14:55.03 | Takumo | themill: Should I run though `ldd $f` first then? |
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| 14:55.12 | themill | that might work out |
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| 14:55.33 | Takumo | well its a static executable, so I'd guess there are no dependencies... |
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| 14:55.48 | themill | file says otherwise |
| 14:56.13 | Takumo | I know, file and ldd don't agree, but I tink I might have an iodea |
| 14:56.29 | Takumo | silly me, needed to install lib32gcc1 |
| 14:56.39 | themill | ldd will just complain about foreign arch executables much of the time |
| 14:57.02 | jelly-home | Takumo: ldd is a silly shell script that needs the appropriate ld.so installed to have a chance of ding the right thing |
| 14:57.02 | themill | (readelf -d /path/to/executable |grep NEEDED) |
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| 14:58.07 | Takumo | oh the joys! |
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| 15:00.34 | mrdeb | how do u install thunar 1.02 on deb 7 |
| 15:00.54 | themill | you don't is the short answer |
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| 15:01.35 | khurram | hi everyone |
| 15:01.37 | khurram | i have node.js server.js running on debian in my VirtualBox. i can ping debian from Windows7 cmd and also putty is working . I used curl and the page prints hello world from debian , but from windows7 chrome browser the address not found can some one please throw light on it please . ? |
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| 15:02.14 | mrdeb | is chromium good |
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| 15:04.07 | mtn | mrdeb: very good |
| 15:04.43 | mrdeb | ok so apt-get install chromium? |
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| 15:05.31 | ceptor | chromium-browser, afair. |
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| 15:05.46 | ceptor | apt-get install chromium will get you a strange game |
| 15:05.46 | sdfhugsdafgdsf | it's changed to just chromium |
| 15:05.57 | ceptor | oh, nevermind then :) |
| 15:05.59 | mtn | mrdeb: yes, just chromium will do it |
| 15:06.28 | mrdeb | and then copy pdf and flash from chrome deb ? |
| 15:06.31 | mrdeb | copy where |
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| 15:07.30 | sdfhugsdafgdsf | why not install flash-plugin nonfree or something? |
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| 15:11.23 | Duality | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.47 | ggherdov | Hello. I have come across a C code that compiles with the -lrt flag to gcc, which makes me suspect it needs a shared library named librt.so but... I cannot figure out what is this library. Any clue? |
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| 15:21.23 | jcbjoe | is there a way to report on bugs for a backport ? |
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| 15:21.43 | themill | jcbjoe: as per the instructions on the backports website |
| 15:21.43 | jcbjoe | im assuming i install the pacage from the backport / if it fails then install the bug reporting took according to dpkg ? |
| 15:21.49 | jcbjoe | oh .. let me look thanks themill |
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| 15:22.13 | themill | jcbjoe: perhaps you could show us the command and full output of your apt run |
| 15:24.05 | jcbjoe | themill: not having the issue anymore |
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| 15:24.42 | jcbjoe | apt run ? |
| 15:24.42 | apt | ACTION runs around in circles screaming "My pants are blue!!!" |
| 15:24.53 | jcbjoe | o_O |
| 15:24.58 | themill | jcbjoe: I'm not sure what you would include in a bug report if you can't show us anything here |
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| 15:25.22 | jcbjoe | themill: just thought about it yesterday lol sorry about that .. i will do it later |
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| 15:33.31 | lautriv | anyone around used to iscsi ? i need to get the "ISCSI_TARGET_NAME" from the initiator side. talking about the one in iscsi.initramfs which won't show up with -m discovery |
| 15:35.01 | dutchfish | lautriv, is it a multihomed system with a separate backend net? |
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| 15:35.53 | dutchfish | lautriv, in that case you have to assign the correct subnet before you do the discovery |
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| 15:36.34 | dutchfish | lautriv, or retrieve if by LUN IQN |
| 15:36.47 | lautriv | dutchfish, i can discover fine but it returns only my targets and not the target-node itself |
| 15:37.32 | dutchfish | lautriv, and you have checked your routing and arp tables already i suppose? |
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| 15:39.10 | lautriv | dutchfish, there is no problem in the net, i have just no idea HOW is gather that info. anything works but something like "iscsiadm -m discovery -t st -p 10.0.0.253" gives me the targets, no word about the machines iqn. |
| 15:40.09 | dutchfish | lautriv, its ip, LUN, IQN (in that order) |
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| 15:40.44 | lautriv | dutchfish, i know the machine's iqn but need to pull it for automated setup (iscsi.initramfs) |
| 15:41.02 | dutchfish | lautriv, a sec |
| 15:42.04 | dutchfish | lautriv, iscsiadm -m node -R | or | find /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan | while read line; do echo - - - > $line; done |
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| 15:45.05 | lautriv | dutchfish, let me explain a bit deeper .... if i scan/discover i get a bunch of iqn.2013-09.net.myreverse.storage:targetname which is fine but i need the iqn of the machine which _should look like iqn.2013-09.net.myreverse:<uniquenumber> |
| 15:46.02 | lautriv | dutchfish, in other words, the opposite of initiatorname (targetname) |
| 15:46.07 | ZeroBeholder | is there a good channel to talk about buying server hardware? |
| 15:46.11 | ompaul | lautriv: ping -b network and then arp -a |
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| 15:46.28 | ompaul | lautriv: after that some sed and awk to fix your replies if they are not as you want them |
| 15:46.37 | lautriv | ompaul, iqn is different from fqdn |
| 15:46.53 | dutchfish | lautriv, maybe this helps a bit, (mind the debian notes) http://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/procedure/connect-iscsi-lun-linux-open-iscsi |
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| 15:47.38 | dutchfish | lautriv, i have a hard time with the language, not so with the context ;) |
| 15:48.24 | lautriv | dutchfish, my language or the link's one ? |
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| 15:48.42 | dutchfish | lautriv, no |
| 15:48.59 | dutchfish | lautriv, but maybe the links explains it better then me |
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| 15:49.09 | dutchfish | s/links/link |
| 15:49.15 | ompaul | lautriv: sorry, maybe this is useful in part of whole iscsiadm -m session --print=3 |
| 15:49.36 | lautriv | dutchfish, unfortunately it doesn't, what they talk about is all done. |
| 15:49.48 | dutchfish | lautriv, ok |
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| 15:53.33 | dutchfish | lautriv, if i understand you correctly There's no in-band way to get the initiator IQN of a remote machine, until it tries to connect to your target. It's best to assign them IQN's you know about. Maybe it can be done by iSNS .... |
| 15:54.22 | khurram | how to turn off the firewall on my virtual box debian ? how to know if firewall is enabled ?.. |
| 15:54.46 | lautriv | dutchfish it may happen my info is incomplete/wrong ( like so often when searching the net ) i will see what happens if i use the apropirate target where / is on, thanks anyway ;) |
| 15:55.19 | dutchfish | lautriv, yw, btw intresting question |
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| 15:55.47 | mtn | khurram: I don't think there is a firewall active unless you activated it. |
| 15:56.15 | khurram | mtn: can i check if ports are enabled or blocked ? |
| 15:56.23 | mtn | khurram: man iptables |
| 15:56.41 | mtn | khurram: I am sure there are other tools, but I don't know them. |
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| 15:57.25 | mtn | khurram: if you have a specific problem, tell the channel about it. |
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| 15:59.14 | dutchfish | lautriv, maybe this helps http://www.howtoforge.com/iscsi_on_linux (iSNS part) |
| 15:59.46 | khurram | i am using bridge instead of NAT, every thing is fine i can ping my virtual machine , transfer files, putty except i can't visit it from browser , i have nodejs server running in my vm and it prints hello world from within vm but not from windows7 |
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| 16:00.10 | dutchfish | lautriv, also lun show -v |
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| 16:00.36 | lautriv | dutchfish, i'm about to write a script(bash) to automate the creation of appropirate initramfs for diskless pxe/iscsi . it works so far but has rough edges like the content of /etc/iscsi/iscsi.initramfs which affects behaviour of halt/shutdown because we need to hold network up as long as possible. anything i found on the net is wrong or incomplete but maybe you like to get a copy when done. |
| 16:01.08 | dutchfish | lautriv, nice, ill take a raincheck on that |
| 16:01.22 | lautriv | what's a raincheck ? |
| 16:01.39 | dutchfish | lautriv, a figure of speach, but yes, |
| 16:01.49 | luser0 | he will ask for something in exchange, i can go for a copy, sounds cool |
| 16:02.33 | dutchfish | lautriv, it certianly would help me and others as well |
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| 16:05.02 | dutchfish | lautriv, thanks |
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| 16:07.21 | lautriv | dutchfish, my intention was that NFS sucks and anything else won't do the job. there is indeed some iscsi functionality in debian's initramfs-tools but they are meant for hard-iscsi and won't work if you boot via a regular NIX from PXE. mine does ;) |
| 16:07.58 | dutchfish | lautriv, nice! |
| 16:08.06 | lautriv | if anyone is interrested on having nfs-root on V4, that is already done and i may paste it. |
| 16:08.36 | dutchfish | lautriv, i have the nfs-root on V4 running too |
| 16:08.55 | luser0 | what happened to andrew? got cooked in the campbell can? |
| 16:09.05 | lautriv | dutchfish, which is also not planned mainstream :o) |
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| 16:09.14 | dutchfish | :( |
| 16:10.28 | dutchfish | lautriv, i am just using it inside a xen pool (the initiator part) which does support lvm over nfs |
| 16:10.31 | luser0 | would not afs address the vim on pxe? |
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| 16:10.49 | lautriv | dutchfish, but i found something interresting in recent kernels ....... lustre-fs went into staging. |
| 16:11.04 | dutchfish | lautriv, yes |
| 16:11.22 | luser0 | do not like the extra i-node overhead but using ruby? |
| 16:11.33 | luser0 | I don't get it; but I seldom do |
| 16:11.34 | dutchfish | lautriv, that could be the next main distributed filesystem |
| 16:11.45 | dutchfish | lautriv, hard to tell |
| 16:12.35 | lautriv | dutchfish, i was there long before, tested 1.6 from sun and it was amazing. but since oracle raped it and sold out i have no idea how good and free it'll be. |
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| 16:12.52 | dutchfish | lautriv, ehe, yes |
| 16:13.13 | lautriv | actually it's windriver or something plus intel. |
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| 16:14.52 | Dwarf | Eh |
| 16:15.07 | Dwarf | Call me stupid but, I'm trying to install a package from backports and it happily installs the old version instead |
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| 16:16.24 | mtn | Dwarf: paste full command and results to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 16:16.30 | Dwarf | Sure thing |
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| 16:19.12 | Dwarf | mtn: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a8be96ae/ |
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| 16:20.04 | Dwarf | It installs 4.1.18 yet 4.2.16 is in backports |
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| 16:21.48 | mtn | Dwarf: do you have backports in your sources.list? did you do an update after changing your sources.list? |
| 16:22.21 | Dwarf | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 16:22.26 | Dwarf | Is what I have in my .list file |
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| 16:22.47 | Dwarf | Could it be that I have to add contrib non-free as well? |
| 16:23.38 | mtn | Dwarf: yep, it is in contrib |
| 16:23.46 | Dwarf | Ah I feel stupid now |
| 16:23.53 | Dwarf | Thanks tho |
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| 16:25.56 | themill | Dwarf: always check the output of "apt-cache policy $package" |
| 16:26.52 | Dwarf | That's new to me, but I'll certainly remember it |
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| 16:39.59 | alecjw | Hi there, I've installed cupsd on my raspbian system but despite adding myself to group lpadmin and rebooting the system, I can't log in to the web interface. I read that I need to run lppasswd to set a password, but I seem to recall using my unix password to login before (as in, on previous installations). Is there any way I can enable this? |
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| 16:42.56 | xand | alecjw: you'd need to ask in #raspian |
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| 16:43.03 | crane | does someone knows a tool for splitting a pdf doc into single pages? |
| 16:43.22 | alecjw | Oh, i thought raspbian was just debian with a different bootloader... ok, thanks |
| 16:43.29 | xand | no it's customized |
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| 16:53.52 | lautriv | dutchfish, still around ? |
| 16:56.28 | lautriv | did anyone have issues using some initramfs with root=UUID where it fails with <UUID> not found and drops into a shell where the UUID IS present ? ( maybe i need rootwait but that info _should_ be immediate ) |
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| 16:58.00 | Sagi | what do you guys do to conserver vertical pixels on a laptop? I want to switch back to debian from ubuntu, but I'm really missing the ability to put menu bars in one place in the panel. |
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| 16:58.24 | Sagi | it seems that that particular solution does not exist for Debian, but I guess more people must be having the same kind of needs. |
| 16:58.33 | Sagi | s/guys/people/ |
| 16:59.31 | dispersed | Sagi: i didn't understand the question at all, sorry |
| 16:59.41 | Sagi | (I'm refering in particular to gnome-globalmenu, which ITP is 641699) |
| 16:59.47 | lautriv | couldn't parse it either |
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| 16:59.49 | Sagi | dispersed: let me rephrase it then |
| 16:59.54 | Sagi | sorry :-) |
| 16:59.59 | SirLagz | I need to replace a string, with a variable number of '/'s at the front, with just one /. What would be the best way to do that ? |
| 17:00.06 | SirLagz | in bash |
| 17:00.26 | Sagi | I'm a user of xmonad + gnome and have been using ubuntu on the desktop for a couple of years. Now the only thing which keeps me from switching back is |
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| 17:00.42 | Sagi | the loss of vertical pixels caused by all the 'file edit view' menu's for each individual window |
| 17:01.03 | dispersed | oh.. that menu depends on the program you're using. |
| 17:01.04 | Sagi | ubuntu had a solution for this by means of a 'global menu bar' |
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| 17:01.12 | dispersed | you want to disable it from gnome? |
| 17:01.29 | dispersed | I guess you could launch the corresponding control panel utility somehow manually |
| 17:01.30 | Sagi | which places the menu bar for your active application in the panel |
| 17:01.42 | dispersed | i see, the "apple" type menu |
| 17:01.50 | Sagi | yeah, I guess you could call it htat |
| 17:02.01 | Sagi | now, I'm open to other kinds of solutions |
| 17:02.09 | dispersed | i never used it, :) and don't know how to get it either |
| 17:02.21 | Sagi | but especially firefox and thunderbird really lose a lot of vertical space due to these menus |
| 17:02.24 | SirLagz | the apple type menu always annoyed me in ubuntu. |
| 17:02.34 | dispersed | Sagi: for firefox, I use pentadactyl, it has no use for menu |
| 17:02.47 | Sagi | let me google that |
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| 17:03.24 | dispersed | it puts the menu behind an icon though, I presume you could do that just by configuring firefox |
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| 17:03.57 | Sagi | hmm |
| 17:04.05 | Sagi | that's a bit like vimperator, right? |
| 17:04.19 | dispersed | yes, it's a fork and better IMO, never really got vimperator |
| 17:04.24 | Sagi | oh I see |
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| 17:05.33 | Sagi | do they work with modern style rapid release versions of firefox? |
| 17:05.44 | dispersed | there's a nightly build |
| 17:05.44 | Sagi | the homepage says firefox 4-14.x or smt like that |
| 17:06.00 | Sagi | ah |
| 17:06.00 | dispersed | in fact, to install it this time I had to update my iceweasel ,p |
| 17:06.05 | Sagi | haha |
| 17:06.20 | dispersed | to the experimental version |
| 17:06.36 | Sagi | hmm, that might be a bit too much of a stretch for me |
| 17:06.45 | blitzed | custom toolbar layoutz |
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| 17:07.42 | dispersed | or just disable the menu :p |
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| 17:10.06 | Sagi | that would work I guess. If I had some way to global automatically hide it until I pressed alt or similar |
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| 17:14.17 | lautriv | SirLagz, somewhat busy here, about your var, you need to change some //////////foo to /foo ? |
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| 17:14.52 | SirLagz | lautriv: yes |
| 17:14.59 | SirLagz | lautriv: I think I've gotten it figured out though |
| 17:15.17 | SirLagz | lautriv: I used this --> sed "s/^\/*/\//" |
| 17:15.21 | Sagi | thanks everyone. I'll figure something out :-) |
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| 17:15.27 | lautriv | foo="//////foo" ; foo="/${file##*/}" ;echo $foo |
| 17:15.49 | SirLagz | lautriv: I'll give that a shot too. Thanks |
| 17:15.54 | SirLagz | lautriv: that's pure bash, right ? |
| 17:16.16 | lautriv | SirLagz, yep, no external command but i prefer sed too ;) |
| 17:16.44 | SirLagz | I'm trying to keep it pure bash at the moment lol |
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| 17:17.15 | lautriv | SirLagz, keyword : "Parameter expansion" |
| 17:17.29 | SirLagz | lautriv: yeah I had a look at that, but couldn't figure out how to get it to do what I wanted |
| 17:17.36 | unclezipper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.45 | unclezipper_ | Are you serious right now |
| 17:17.53 | lautriv | SirLagz, it is weird and ugly anyway. |
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| 17:18.36 | SirLagz | lautriv: unfortunately the parameter expansions strips all //s. which wasn't what I wanted lol |
| 17:18.44 | SirLagz | the full string I'm trying to do it to is actually a file path |
| 17:19.03 | SirLagz | but it ends up like this - //////home/sirlagz/ <--something like that after I mess around with the variable for a bit |
| 17:19.25 | SirLagz | lautriv: anyway, I'll stick with sed for now. Thanks anyway ! |
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| 17:19.52 | lautriv | SirLagz, i assumed that but if you have several //// in front, something else already went wrong, beside that a proper distro can handle something like /etc//somedir |
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| 17:20.29 | SirLagz | lautriv: true, it just looks ugly |
| 17:20.53 | SirLagz | lautriv: and yes, something else *IS* going wrong, but I can't figure out what it is, so I'll just fix the cosmetics haha |
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| 17:22.27 | SirLagz | lautriv: you wouldn't happen to know of a way for ls to display the . and .. without showing all the hidden files would you ? |
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| 17:23.07 | lautriv | SirLagz, . and .. counts to the "hidden" reason why dots are used. |
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| 17:23.27 | SirLagz | lautriv: in other words, no that's not possible ? |
| 17:24.20 | lautriv | SirLagz, in linux, anything is possible but you need a bit more work i hope you don't use ls to feed any parsing ? |
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| 17:24.49 | redder | ive been trying to install debian xfce to my netbook but the installation always fails at the "install the system" step，it also indicated that there was "bootstrap error: failed to determine codename for release" |
| 17:24.49 | SirLagz | lautriv: parsing ? no....sorta....ok yes. |
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| 17:25.00 | redder | ideas on what is wrong? |
| 17:25.11 | SirLagz | redder: what install media ? |
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| 17:25.18 | NSA_ | hi |
| 17:25.24 | redder | i burnt the iso to a usb |
| 17:25.39 | NSA_ | why does linux is more spying that microsoft windows? |
| 17:25.41 | NSA_ | i mean, |
| 17:26.07 | NSA_ | when you install software in linux you get it from repo by apt-get and they know what you have installed |
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| 17:26.15 | khurram | i can access my apache php page from windows7 in chrome from my debian server running in virtual box , but i can't access the nodejs server any clue? |
| 17:26.17 | NSA_ | in windows you download software from official site of this software |
| 17:26.34 | NSA_ | so microsoft dosent know about it |
| 17:26.50 | NSA_ | also, in ubuntu you have ads when you search something on your computer |
| 17:26.57 | NSA_ | and the search string is sent to them |
| 17:27.19 | mtn | NSA_: you are on the wrong channel |
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| 17:27.26 | NSA_ | so when u search for a file named 13yr_old_naked.jpg they know about it |
| 17:27.35 | NSA_ | mtn its good channel, in debian you use apt-get |
| 17:27.45 | maxyz | NSA_: Have you ever listened to the network connections made by a windows machine when you install some software? |
| 17:27.48 | mtn | NSA_: go troll somewhere else |
| 17:28.02 | NSA_ | yes i have used packet sniffers like wireshark |
| 17:28.04 | lautriv | NSA_, do not even mix ubuntu with linux anymore an no, we weren't spied but can participate a contest for the sake of maintainers workload. |
| 17:28.05 | NSA_ | and nothing is sent |
| 17:28.36 | NSA_ | also ubuntu is stupid toy that tries to looks like windows 8 |
| 17:28.53 | NSA_ | if linux used installers instead of apt-get i'd use it |
| 17:29.11 | maxyz | NSA_: Well, I guess it depends on the installer. |
| 17:29.32 | NSA_ | maxyz but most software is from apt-get i think |
| 17:29.33 | SirLagz | NSA_: I'd rather not have to select no on "install this/that/spyware/malware taskbar" thanks. |
| 17:29.42 | maxyz | NSA_: You can use your own built and audited software. |
| 17:30.11 | Silmarilion | NSA you could download package and compile it yourself... |
| 17:30.19 | NSA_ | SirLagz thats fanny because i have 200 programs installed and not even single toolbar was installed. just dont install spyware shits like Bearshare etc and your fine |
| 17:30.31 | ctmjr | NSA_, do you have a question about debian? |
| 17:30.41 | Jonuz | how to disable that some softwares can mute rhytmbox? |
| 17:30.42 | NSA_ | Silmarilion but when i download package they know i downloaded it |
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| 17:31.25 | NSA_ | maxyz but nobody can audit all software it install, just look how many lines of code have firefox or music player or anything that you use |
| 17:31.28 | maxyz | You can use tor, or something to proxy you connection. |
| 17:31.36 | Silmarilion | than use something like Tor |
| 17:31.58 | NSA_ | maxyz i could, but then apt-get is good as well |
| 17:32.12 | Silmarilion | I realy dont care if someone knows if I have office installed etc... |
| 17:32.46 | NSA_ | also what i hate in debian and linuxes is that they still haven't discovered mouse |
| 17:32.55 | NSA_ | and you have to put stupid magic keywords into console |
| 17:33.04 | maxyz | NSA_: That's when you start trusting on others. But you are welcome to be paranoid and trust no one. |
| 17:33.09 | Silmarilion | and what are you doing here than? |
| 17:33.14 | NSA_ | in windows you do everything even complicated administrative tasks with mouse |
| 17:33.30 | Jonuz | stupid troll |
| 17:33.44 | NSA_ | Jonuz your mother was trolling when she made you with contruction worker |
| 17:33.55 | NSA_ | i rather click than use magic keywords |
| 17:33.56 | maxyz | NSA_: Ok, then be happy with it, and let us be happy trying to help others. |
| 17:33.59 | NSA_ | to change wallpaper |
| 17:34.07 | mtn | wonders why the troll is still here. where are the ops? |
| 17:34.12 | NSA_ | maxyz why do you help others for free? |
| 17:34.25 | NSA_ | what is the point of free software if nobody earns money from it? |
| 17:34.30 | Jonuz | maybe typing few magic word is bit faster than clicking next and apply ten times.. |
| 17:34.42 | maxyz | NSA_: Because I value help more than money |
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| 17:35.12 | NSA_ | Jonuz but first to know this magic words you have to read bible's (linux bible's) and when you click you see all buttons and all actions possible |
| 17:35.39 | NSA_ | maxyz you can't eat or sex with help, but with money you can |
| 17:35.40 | Jonuz | or type few world to google and after that you will remember it |
| 17:35.41 | maxyz | NSA_: Now why are you proposing a society where no one helps each other? |
| 17:35.42 | NSA_ | money > help |
| 17:35.43 | ceptor | <°>< |
| 17:36.10 | NSA_ | maxyz because its more successful when each service cost money (the society is more successful) |
| 17:36.12 | ceptor | Seriously, this is the textbook definition of trolling, why do you guys fall for it |
| 17:36.23 | tgs3 | maxyz: paid help |
| 17:36.40 | qais | there is the /ignore command |
| 17:36.46 | tgs3 | NSA_: debian includes gui, no need for magic commands |
| 17:36.54 | NSA_ | linux = socialism/communism windows = capitalism |
| 17:37.02 | NSA_ | and you see what is better in world and in computing |
| 17:37.11 | NSA_ | linux = socialism = north korea |
| 17:37.18 | ceptor | quais, i can ignore the troll, but not the conversation :( |
| 17:37.20 | NSA_ | windows = capitalism = usa/europe |
| 17:37.21 | tgs3 | NSA_: I am capitalist and that's why I like linux |
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| 17:37.36 | NSA_ | tgs3 but linux is socialism |
| 17:37.40 | tgs3 | windows business model is much less free market / capitalistic, then linux |
| 17:37.40 | redder | darn system keeps kicking me off |
| 17:37.54 | tgs3 | NSA_: incorrect, lots of commerciall companies on linux make billions |
| 17:37.58 | SirLagz | redder: use a proper IRC client ? lol. srsly, still trying to install xfce debian ? |
| 17:38.03 | qais | ceptor: i see what you mean |
| 17:38.08 | mtn | ceptor: maybe the troll feeders need ignoring, too? |
| 17:38.19 | redder | SirLagz: yeah, still no luck |
| 17:38.26 | NSA_ | tgs3 but everybody can develop lunix and he dosent get money for that |
| 17:38.30 | redder | do you know what the bootstrap error would be caused by? |
| 17:38.39 | SirLagz | redder: no sorry |
| 17:38.42 | tgs3 | NSA_: top linux [kernel] developers get SHITLOADS of money for doing that |
| 17:38.55 | NSA_ | tgs3 when they develop lunix they often add stupid useless features, when they develop windows they add useful features |
| 17:38.56 | SirLagz | redder: I'd try and re-flash the USB stick and see what happens |
| 17:39.03 | SirLagz | or try and install using htat USB stick on a different machine |
| 17:39.10 | Silmarilion | NSA the most of the sites you visit are on linux... |
| 17:39.15 | NSA_ | tgs3 then why windows have 99% of market and lunix 1%? |
| 17:39.17 | redder | what is a re-flash? |
| 17:39.23 | tgs3 | NSA_: ibm, hp, motorola and others pay top dollars to kernel developers so they will implement cruciall feautures |
| 17:39.29 | SirLagz | redder: sorry, I meant reburn the ISO onto the USB stick |
| 17:39.41 | redder | yeah, already tried that |
| 17:39.41 | tgs3 | NSA_: linux has afiar 70% of market of smart phones, and similar in market of servers. |
| 17:39.45 | NSA_ | Silmarilion because linux is so small featured its hard to break it thats why sites use it (reliable because of lack of features) |
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| 17:40.02 | NSA_ | tgs3 but why not on PC? |
| 17:40.11 | SirLagz | redder: tried installing on a different machine with that USB stick ? |
| 17:40.14 | NSA_ | tgs3 and its not the linux but the google |
| 17:40.18 | SirLagz | redder: perhaps that usb stick doesn't like it ? |
| 17:40.24 | redder | SirLagz: not yet |
| 17:40.29 | tgs3 | NSA_: because users do not want change and windows was forst. It doesn't have to do much with your socialism claim |
| 17:40.31 | redder | i could try it |
| 17:40.32 | NSA_ | tgs3 google just stole linux and put their backdoors in it and named this android |
| 17:40.33 | tgs3 | first |
| 17:40.44 | SirLagz | redder: I'd give that a shot. I found one of my USB sticks didn't like trying to install linux off it...or linux onto it, I don't remember lol |
| 17:40.46 | tgs3 | NSA_: sure they did, but it was not stealing |
| 17:41.00 | NSA_ | tgs3 why people dont want to change to something that is better and FREE |
| 17:41.07 | tgs3 | NSA_: windows is the sinking platform |
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| 17:41.20 | tgs3 | NSA_: for the same reason people want democracy or socialism |
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| 17:41.22 | tgs3 | peoples are idiots |
| 17:41.23 | NSA_ | tgs3 it was, google now earn money, and they did nothing, just stole lunix |
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| 17:41.34 | tgs3 | *people |
| 17:41.43 | redder | SirLagz, fair enough, on to find a new usb |
| 17:41.43 | NSA_ | tgs3 but im not idiot and why i dont use linux? |
| 17:41.45 | Silmarilion | lets change the topic :) |
| 17:41.52 | tgs3 | NSA_: why don't you? |
| 17:41.55 | NSA_ | linux = no mouse support, no software, |
| 17:41.58 | SirLagz | redder: good luck |
| 17:42.17 | tgs3 | NSA_: I can do everything besides typing text/programs/passwords with mouse |
| 17:42.24 | NSA_ | its not true |
| 17:42.26 | tgs3 | and all the software I need is there. some games are not, but meh |
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| 17:42.41 | NSA_ | not only games, many professional software is not on linux |
| 17:42.52 | lautriv | an i thought the issue with dumb trolls is reserverd for ##linux :( |
| 17:42.58 | tgs3 | the professional software I use, compilers, 3d graphics, are for linux |
| 17:43.06 | SirLagz | lautriv: lol |
| 17:43.11 | NSA_ | lautriv but they require you to register to have ability to talk |
| 17:43.25 | ceptor | for a good reason. |
| 17:43.25 | jelly-home | NSA_, tgs3: please move this to #debian-offtopic, this channel is more about tech support |
| 17:43.30 | ceptor | seriously tgs3. do you know that every message sent here is relayed to 1399 readers. And currently it is junk, that has nothing to do with debian. Please consider using /query to talk to NSA_ |
| 17:43.34 | NSA_ | tgs3 3ds max and photoshop and microsoft visual studio is for linux? |
| 17:43.56 | lautriv | NSA_, get a light idea about that what you are stating, come back then. we will be here in a decade. |
| 17:43.56 | tgs3 | ceptor: I was describing debian actually, that is what I use |
| 17:44.25 | ceptor | thats fine, and we are on your side. But please dont use this channels for wars :) |
| 17:44.35 | NSA_ | tgs3 ok and tell what music player can i use on linux that is as good as foobar2000 |
| 17:44.42 | NSA_ | i mean, on debian |
| 17:44.50 | redder | SirLagz: if i use the dd command then i dont need to format the usb stick right? |
| 17:44.50 | tgs3 | NSA_: yeah some windows apps where not ported to Debian. also some mac wher not to windows etc so what. Debian does all I require. Anyway I can get 2nd computer for gaming |
| 17:45.12 | NSA_ | tgs3 then give me music player for debian |
| 17:45.17 | NSA_ | thats as good as foobar2000 |
| 17:45.32 | tgs3 | on Debian I use just mplayer and audacity. Inded, I could use something better |
| 17:45.33 | SirLagz | redder: depends on the ISO file |
| 17:45.41 | SirLagz | redder: wait...derp |
| 17:45.45 | SirLagz | redder: yes, you are correct |
| 17:45.50 | SirLagz | redder: I read the question wrong, sorry |
| 17:45.57 | torax | NSA_: you seem to be loving windows and every software not available on linux, so why dont you just stay with windows? |
| 17:45.58 | tgs3 | which music player has albums where I can organize my disc collection easily and then play e.g. certain directory or search by genre? |
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| 17:46.12 | Silmarilion | xnoise |
| 17:46.15 | NSA_ | tgs3 foobar2000 |
| 17:46.40 | NSA_ | torax because i want to use better thing, and seems windows is better or convice me otherwise so i start using debian |
| 17:46.51 | NSA_ | tgs3 mplayer is simple toy compared to foobar2000 |
| 17:46.54 | redder | SirLagz: no worries, thx mucu |
| 17:46.58 | SirLagz | redder: no probs |
| 17:47.02 | tgs3 | NSA_: you can use both systems in the transition period |
| 17:47.20 | redder | SirLagz: once ive made a copy of the contents of the usb do i need to delete all contents off the usb or can i just start the dd burn? |
| 17:47.20 | NSA_ | listening to music is basic computer usage and windows is 2 times better for it (because of foobar2000) |
| 17:47.36 | redder | SirLagz without deleting anything |
| 17:47.37 | NSA_ | tgs3 and how will i listen to music on lunix after transition period? |
| 17:47.47 | SirLagz | redder: just start the dd burn |
| 17:47.50 | tgs3 | NSA_: actually mplayer is very powerfull, see it's manuall, but it's strength is not in the GUI. Try this xnoise thing Silmarilion mentioned |
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| 17:48.18 | NSA_ | tgs3 does mplayer have support for .midi .xmi .mod .spc and ability to change tempo, rate and pitch in realtime |
| 17:48.20 | NSA_ | ? |
| 17:48.36 | redder | k |
| 17:48.42 | jelly-home | NSA_: there are dozens of music players. Eg. http://www.clementine-player.org/screenshots |
| 17:48.49 | NSA_ | also in foobar you can have 30 playlist and you have them like tabs in web browser so can switch in any second to other playlist |
| 17:48.59 | tgs3 | NSA_: you can change playback speed, dunno about the others. |
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| 17:49.13 | tgs3 | NSA_: why don't you try all this software and tell us (ping me) which is best |
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| 17:49.24 | tgs3 | apt-get install x y z and done |
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| 17:49.44 | NSA_ | tgs3 because i see from screens and description that they are worse than foobar2000, |
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| 17:49.55 | Silmarilion | the most of these functions avarage user will never use... Im both windows and linux user and havent heard about your foobar2000. |
| 17:50.28 | tgs3 | NSA_: hire people or make a kickstarter that will improve one of them to be BETTER :) It's a free market in capitalistic style if you want, thanks to FOSS (except you will share back the sources) |
| 17:50.39 | NSA_ | Silmarilion, yes if one's using computer to visit facebook and read emails then linux is good for them |
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| 17:50.52 | caravel | NSA_: tgs3 there are **plenty** of GUI player & music collection managers in the FLOSS world, welcome, just search your package manager and try them out. Now, as jelly-home said, #debian-offtopic will surely welcome your topic better than here... |
| 17:50.56 | jelly-home | NSA_: install debian, try a player and come back if you find a necessary feature missing. |
| 17:51.02 | caravel | :) |
| 17:51.12 | jelly-home | NSA_: there's no worth discussing things blindly |
| 17:51.18 | NSA_ | tgs3 then why nobody made it before? and i wont get a 10$ on kickstarter because 1.linux users are minority 2.linux users are poor and dont have money |
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| 17:51.32 | Silmarilion | hahah |
| 17:51.37 | caravel | believes it's a troll :D |
| 17:51.43 | cpp1 | caravel: +1 |
| 17:51.49 | NSA_ | maybe i'd install debian but |
| 17:51.54 | NSA_ | how to make it so i can virtualize my windows xp that is installed normally |
| 17:52.01 | awfabian | I work wit hLinux professionally. I smoke blunts wrapped in $100 dollar bills. |
| 17:52.02 | ceptor | caravel, jelly-home: This guy is the textbook definition of a troll and tgs3 appears to be its sockpuppet. please dont reply |
| 17:52.03 | jelly-home | !ops NSA_ meandering around how linux is bad |
| 17:52.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: NSA_ meandering around how linux is bad |
| 17:52.15 | tgs3 | NSA_: many of thoes of my friends who are wealthy, are on linux. Or on many systems, it's not definitive qualification of a man |
| 17:52.19 | NSA_ | !ops linux should be holocausted |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsa_ complains about: linux should be holocausted |
| 17:52.25 | NSA_ | dpkg thanks nigger |
| 17:52.25 | dpkg | bitte, NSA_ |
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| 17:52.44 | NSA_ | thg3 ok but they only use facebook and email |
| 17:52.45 | tgs3 | NSA_: some of us hoped you want to have an intelligent discussion |
| 17:52.51 | NSA_ | i want |
| 17:53.12 | tgs3 | NSA_: then do not trigger bot like that, install Debian and come back with concrete questions |
| 17:53.32 | NSA_ | but i already had other linuxes |
| 17:53.44 | NSA_ | and they were shit, had to uninstall them |
| 17:53.54 | NSA_ | they forced you to update it |
| 17:54.01 | NSA_ | or you wouldn't be able to install new software |
| 17:54.13 | NSA_ | and my windows is not updated for years and i can use newest software |
| 17:54.25 | NSA_ | why linux force me to update very often? |
| 17:54.33 | tgs3 | NSA_: try the players in Debian and tell us which important function is missing, then you can wait or get someone to implement it, this are the options if you don't like them you can use windows with _NSAKEY backdoors etc |
| 17:54.58 | NSA_ | tgs3 linux have even more backdoors as its code is open and anybody can edit it and commit |
| 17:55.53 | mumpitzel | tgs3: please don't feed. as long as you answer he will continue. and it's all OT |
| 17:56.01 | caravel | ceptor: yeah, sorry. It all sounded just naive at the beginning, I was doubting :) Is there no op around, thou? |
| 17:56.25 | mumpitzel | ops need weekends too |
| 17:56.27 | ceptor | caravel, apparently not |
| 17:56.30 | caravel | :) |
| 17:56.38 | NSA_ | windows = nsa (american) backdoors, lunix/debian = chinese and everybody's backdoors |
| 17:56.54 | caravel | wish them a nice we then, seeya all :) |
| 17:57.13 | NSA_ | ok i want to install debian |
| 17:57.23 | NSA_ | but can i virtualize my windows on it? |
| 17:57.34 | tgs3 | NSA_: since channel complains, we can continue talking elsewhere: on ##linux if you register and they are ok, or on #social . Here I will not continue since apparently channel owners do not want that. Place come back later with more concrete support questions about debian itself |
| 17:57.54 | NSA_ | tgs3 but now i ask about debian |
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| 17:58.50 | Silmarilion | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 17:58.54 | NSA_ | also what i hate on linux is that its stupid blur, every text and buttons are blurred |
| 17:59.08 | NSA_ | they apply antialiasing on every text my eyes hurt |
| 17:59.14 | tgs3 | debian code is extra verified by debian developers, only they release the code. As for linux kernel, only few people can edit the code used by Debian (vanilla kernel of kernel.org) and usually all changes are signed by multiple developers. The development process is very transparent |
| 17:59.16 | NSA_ | on windows you dont have blurry text |
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| 17:59.39 | NSA_ | can you disable blur on debian? |
| 18:00.08 | NSA_ | Silmarilion, but i want to install debian and virtualize my windows inside debian |
| 18:00.16 | unclezipper | NSA_: You can disable antialiasing on just about every desktop environment that a Linux distro can provide |
| 18:00.32 | Silmarilion | learn first the difference between kernel, distribution and desktop enviorements. |
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| 18:00.59 | jelly-home | Silmarilion, unclezipper: stop feeding him, he's just going to keep changing the question to something barely topical to get his quota of attention |
| 18:01.01 | NSA_ | also gnome and kde are ugly, bloated shits |
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| 18:01.19 | Silmarilion | Im off |
| 18:01.19 | NSA_ | and if i use other environment than kde and gnome i wont be able to use popular software |
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| 18:02.47 | NSA_ | are you going to watch Chisora today? |
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| 18:03.17 | unclezipper | jelly-home: Didn't realize we had a troll in here... I just saw the "Windows doesn't blur text" thing and didn't like the implication that someone had the misconception that Linux can't handle being awesome |
| 18:03.56 | peterrooney | !ops NSA_ spamming channel offtopic, at best spewing uninformed opinion presented as facts |
| 18:03.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: peterrooney complains about: NSA_ spamming channel offtopic, at best spewing uninformed opinion presented as facts |
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| 18:04.17 | ceptor | peterrooney, they are no mods here, its no use. |
| 18:04.18 | NSA_ | !ops peterrooney was raped by priest as a child |
| 18:04.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsa_ complains about: peterrooney was raped by priest as a child |
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| 18:05.11 | lautriv | NSA_, do us a pleasure and jump from a bridge but ast least /part. |
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| 18:05.45 | NSA_ | lautriv im too tired and bridge is like 1 kilometer |
| 18:05.46 | NSA_ | from where i live |
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| 18:05.54 | NSA_ | actually its 300 metres |
| 18:05.55 | MangaKaDenza | :> |
| 18:05.58 | NSA_ | but still |
| 18:06.01 | MangaKaDenza | there be a troll? |
| 18:06.04 | kloeri | lets stick to topic please |
| 18:06.08 | peterrooney | NSA_: if you have a question about how to use debian to get something done, please ask it. otherwise, be silent. given the ideas you have put forward, someone has been deliberately lying to you about debian. |
| 18:06.09 | ceptor | lautriv, please stop feeding him attention. It doesnt change anything. |
| 18:06.18 | NSA_ | peterrooney, ok |
| 18:06.29 | NSA_ | peterrooney, how to disable blur on debian? |
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| 18:06.52 | awfabian | The whole Internetz needs a "Don't feed the trolls" sign. |
| 18:07.10 | lautriv | ceptor, i'm aware of that and he has luck to be not present around me ;) |
| 18:07.28 | NSA_ | awfabian and what is definition of troll? is troll somebody who beat you with argument and you cant stand him so you start to ignore him? |
| 18:07.41 | exlt | !umarell |
| 18:07.43 | dpkg | Umarell /uma'rɛl/ (oo-mah-rell), n; pl. Umarells. People in a community who offer all sorts of comments to those who are trying to get some work done, but who are not doing any work themselves. http://www.enricozini.org/2013/debian/umarells/ |
| 18:08.40 | NSA_ | i am working on many things currently |
| 18:08.44 | NSA_ | just short break |
| 18:08.51 | NSA_ | to ask how to disable blur in debian |
| 18:09.17 | livl | I'm trying to apt-get libapaghe2-mod-php5 and mysqlclient, but it keeps returning the error "E: Unable to locate package...". I've changed the sources.list file to the main debian repository, but the error message meeps happening. Would anyone mind helping? |
| 18:09.41 | NSA_ | there are good things about linux, for example that you can change window manager / folder explorer |
| 18:09.44 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 18:09.44 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:10.02 | Silmarilion | ignore did the trick :) /ignore Nick |
| 18:10.13 | NSA_ | also is debian stable? can i open firefox in debian and open 1000 tabs? |
| 18:10.26 | ceptor | livl have you tried an apt-get update? |
| 18:10.38 | jelly-home | livl: follow what dpkg said above, include the output of "apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 mysqlclient libc6" |
| 18:10.54 | livl | yes, I;ve just used that command. I'm typing that command now, jelly-home. |
| 18:11.19 | NSA_ | OH WAIT |
| 18:11.24 | exlt | livl: perhaps libapaghe2-mod-php5 and mysql-client (you said libapaghe2-mod-php5 and mysqlclient) |
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| 18:11.29 | NSA_ | YOU FORGOT TO TELL ME THERE ARE NO DRIVERS ON LINUX/debian |
| 18:11.37 | exlt | libapache2-mod-php5 even.. |
| 18:11.41 | NSA_ | so i will be unable to use wireless network card.. |
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| 18:12.06 | lautriv | dutchfish, still around ? |
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| 18:12.48 | zinx | NSA_: there are drivers for most wireless cards |
| 18:12.52 | NSA_ | also, could i install devian as virtual machine on windows, and then if i like it, move my installation to disk so have normal OS ? |
| 18:13.05 | zinx | NSA_: some require proprietary firmware/drivers that aren't installed by default, however. |
| 18:13.18 | NSA_ | zinx most? also there are other hardware things. i have ati vga card, will it work good? |
| 18:13.27 | zinx | NSA_: depends on which ATI VGA card |
| 18:13.36 | zinx | NSA_: you'll get basic functionality if nothing else |
| 18:13.53 | NSA_ | thats not good answer, so lunix dosent support graphics cards.. |
| 18:13.57 | zinx | NSA_: it does |
| 18:13.59 | exlt | zinx: stop feeding.. |
| 18:14.09 | NSA_ | zinx but only nvidia cards |
| 18:14.12 | zinx | NSA_: it doesn't support every graphics card out there, because manufacturers tell no one how to talk to them |
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| 18:14.14 | ctmjr | zinx, he/she is a troll your wasting your time |
| 18:14.18 | kloeri | NSA_: stop trolling please |
| 18:14.28 | zinx | NSA_: it supports most ATI graphics cards. |
| 18:14.29 | ceptor | "please" :) |
| 18:14.30 | mumpitzel | zinx: if you want to engage a troll, please do it ELSEWHERE. different channel |
| 18:14.37 | zinx | shrug |
| 18:14.39 | NSA_ | ok |
| 18:15.00 | NSA_ | but can i install debian as virtual machine, test it, and if i like it move to disk so have normal OS? |
| 18:15.29 | zinx | depends on how you install it, often that will require more expertise with how OSs work |
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| 18:15.36 | zinx | (with any OS) |
| 18:15.38 | NSA_ | also there is no good office software on linux. open office is very bad |
| 18:15.46 | zinx | shrug |
| 18:15.47 | lautriv | ok, i'll let you alone with that brainf*** troll, have fun . |
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| 18:16.26 | NSA_ | how to stop being a troll? |
| 18:16.47 | unclezipper | A bullet costs about a nickel |
| 18:17.00 | NSA_ | where i can buy? |
| 18:17.05 | NSA_ | on silkroad? |
| 18:17.14 | kloeri | NSA_: I'm going to quiet you if you don't stop trolling |
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| 18:17.29 | caravel | it'd be time, kloeri :) |
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| 18:18.25 | zinx | NSA_: fwiw a good way to determine if Linux is right for you is to google the word linux, along with what you want to use it with - be sure to include model for hardware, not just brand. |
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| 18:18.45 | NSA_ | zinx well but when you change hardware.. |
| 18:19.03 | zinx | NSA_: generally people who use Linux buy hardware that it supports already :) |
| 18:19.08 | NSA_ | also i know there is wine but is it good? |
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| 18:19.20 | NSA_ | could you for example run gta iv or wine? |
| 18:19.35 | NSA_ | arent there much losses from performance with wine? |
| 18:19.47 | NSA_ | i know its not emulator but translator but still |
| 18:19.51 | rryoumaa | what happened to my aptitude? i run it and it just returns. i can give it any arguments and it does not complain. |
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| 18:20.07 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: try strace aptitude |
| 18:20.16 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: and see what it's trying to do |
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| 18:22.18 | nk287 | this troll nsa using windows |
| 18:22.35 | NSA_ | i told you, |
| 18:22.42 | NSA_ | and its not updated for years |
| 18:22.46 | nk287 | kill him |
| 18:22.48 | NSA_ | waiting for you to hack it |
| 18:22.52 | rryoumaa | tgs3: i don't know how to interpret it, but here is the output, in case it means something to you: http://sprunge.us/cGYi |
| 18:23.24 | NSA_ | nk287 now GO AND SHOW me that windows is not secure and hack my PC |
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| 18:23.35 | zinx | NSA_: we don't actually care |
| 18:23.56 | tgs3 | NSA_: google _NSAKEY |
| 18:24.08 | NSA_ | i know there is _NSAKEY |
| 18:24.20 | NSA_ | but people like you can't get inside my computer |
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| 18:24.35 | nk287 | NSA_: how trojan can be safe? |
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| 18:24.43 | NSA_ | i dont use antivirus and dont have even single virus |
| 18:24.47 | kloeri | NSA_: check http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 18:25.00 | Silmarilion | ignore ignore ignore all :/ |
| 18:25.01 | rryoumaa | NSA_: maybe #debian-offtopic wouuld be a good place to discuss this? |
| 18:25.10 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: show me file /usr/bin/aptitude and sha1sum /usr/bin/aptitude maybe it got corrupted |
| 18:25.28 | NSA_ | rryoumaa only 100 people there |
| 18:25.35 | tgs3 | resixian: which debian version you have (amd64?) |
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| 18:26.04 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Try strace /usr/bin/aptitude-curses |
| 18:26.04 | nk287 | NSA_: its not about safety, its about fun |
| 18:26.37 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: which debian release is this? What do "dpkg --print-architecture" and "file /usr/bin/aptitude" say? |
| 18:26.41 | NSA_ | nk287 yes, windows its about fun, and linux is about safety. thats why i use windows |
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| 18:27.11 | rryoumaa | the sum is da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 |
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| 18:27.21 | maxyz | Mmh, usr/bin/aptitude is an alternative |
| 18:27.26 | nk287 | NSA_: if windows is for fun then use it, i prefer linux |
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| 18:27.29 | rryoumaa | strace on aptitude-curses looks the same as strace on aptitude |
| 18:27.30 | rryoumaa | it is a default wheezy installation with nothing from other repositories |
| 18:27.47 | NSA_ | nk287 why do you prefer linux? what are advantages of linux over windows? |
| 18:28.11 | zinx | NSA_: that's a topic for the internets, not #debian :/ |
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| 18:28.28 | livl | exlt jelly-home ceptor: thank you for your help. The issue was something small |
| 18:28.40 | NSA_ | what are advantages of debian over windows xp? |
| 18:28.40 | rryoumaa | aha, /usr/bin/aptitude-curses is zero-length |
| 18:28.55 | zinx | NSA_: we provide technical support (sometimes) here - this is an unofficial channel, even. we do not provide political or idealogical or personal support |
| 18:29.05 | rryoumaa | why would that happen? the only thing i can think of is that i killed aide |
| 18:29.28 | nk287 | NSA_: i dont kno english enough to discuse that subject |
| 18:29.43 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: corruption? check hard drive smartctrl -a /dev/sda or alike and before do --test long . but more likelly due to power shutdown or something |
| 18:29.56 | NSA_ | zinx there were is ideological and personal support |
| 18:29.58 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: hm. Did you have a full-disk situation or a power failure recently |
| 18:29.59 | NSA_ | where* |
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| 18:30.14 | nk287 | NSA_: but i can tell u that linux is very very fun |
| 18:30.33 | rryoumaa | tgs3: which one do i do first? |
| 18:30.48 | zinx | NSA_: the internet mostly. you can try #debian-offtopic but the most you'll get is probably directed to a google page with a search like "linux vs windows" |
| 18:31.03 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: first --test long then wait as long as it says then -a to see smart messages about hard drive health |
| 18:31.13 | NSA_ | zinx i entered this channel and they banned me without reason |
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| 18:31.30 | rryoumaa | jelly-home: disks are not full. no power failure. i shredded /root/old/*/*/*, but i'm pretty sure that doesn't traverse .. or anything like that. i killed aide because i created a mount point and it was traversing it because i forgot to exclude it. |
| 18:31.41 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, i need your assistance with alsa configuration. i had serious issues with pulseaudio and i had to remove it. i have two sound cards; 1 onboard and 1 PCI card. both work fine, but audacity and other multimedia applications see the microphone in "Output Device" whereas it should be in "Input Device". |
| 18:31.44 | NSA_ | zinx it was jelly-home who banned me |
| 18:32.06 | zinx | NSA_: not surprising, you're being argumentative and making assumptions that make it appear you're very happy with your current OS, and want only to find shortcomings of an OS you don't like, and have already decided you don't like |
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| 18:32.31 | NSA_ | zinx i could change my OS if i found a better one |
| 18:32.32 | zinx | NSA_: i don't know if that's true or not, but it appears that way to people on IRC, and generally most channels will ban you for it |
| 18:32.59 | jelly-home | NSA_: your behavior here for the last hour was reason enough. I do not suffer fools lightly. |
| 18:33.29 | NSA_ | jelly-home I WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING ON DEBIAN-OFFTOPIC bitch |
| 18:33.38 | NSA_ | then ban me on this channel not that channel |
| 18:33.44 | Silmarilion | we need vote ban feature :D |
| 18:33.57 | rryoumaa | tgs3: i am running the test now. it will take more than 3h to complete. how do i test whether it has completed yet or not? |
| 18:34.10 | unclezipper | NSA_: You should prbably just be banned outright... |
| 18:34.29 | NSA_ | why all of you are my enemy? |
| 18:34.32 | NSA_ | just wanted some help |
| 18:34.41 | NSA_ | why are linux'ers so aggressive |
| 18:34.46 | kloeri | NSA_: you need a timeout |
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| 18:34.49 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: -a shows in the table at end "in progress" and also on the beginning |
| 18:34.58 | maxyz | ToApolytoXaos: That depends on the sound driver. |
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| 18:35.21 | ToApolytoXaos | maxyz, can you provide me an example please? |
| 18:35.24 | rryoumaa | (btw i killed aide clumsily, not knowing how, so i tried signals 1, 15, 2, and finally 9, then 9 again to get more) |
| 18:35.31 | maxyz | ToApolytoXaos: Some cards don't provide a loop from the mic to the speakers. |
| 18:35.36 | rryoumaa | tgs3: great, thanks |
| 18:35.44 | tgs3 | NSA_: because you asked questions in very provocative manner. I would be fine with it by apparently channel owners are not. try againt tomorrow but a bit less politelly maye |
| 18:35.50 | ToApolytoXaos | but it was working before the pulseaudio uninstallation |
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| 18:36.04 | maxyz | Oh, its the other way. Mmmh |
| 18:36.24 | Silmarilion | !help |
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| 18:37.50 | rryoumaa | in the meantime, should i apt-get aptitude or something? or should i do nothing until 3h have passed and i find out the results of the disk test? |
| 18:38.41 | tgs3 | rryoumaa: I would reinstall aptitude, yes |
| 18:38.47 | maxyz | rryoumaa: apt-get --reinstall install aptitude, yeah. |
| 18:39.00 | tgs3 | how to check integrity of system or reinstall all packages? |
| 18:39.29 | jelly-home | tgs3: for the latter, /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 18:39.39 | maxyz | rryoumaa: But, check your machine "security", if you have a weak password, with open ssh... |
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| 18:40.20 | rryoumaa | what are good things to check for? i have no ssh daemon running afaik. |
| 18:41.39 | rryoumaa | apt-get is saying "/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs: 27: /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs: =begin: not found" |
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| 18:42.47 | jelly-home | !debsums |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | debsums is probably a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 18:43.02 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: if that thing is installed, run it |
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| 18:44.00 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Mmh, you can disable apt-listbug if that is halting apt |
| 18:44.32 | rryoumaa | ok, debsums is showing a huge number of changed files. i picked one at random and it is zero-length. |
| 18:45.17 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Ok, so aide, is the advanced intrussion thing ? |
| 18:45.23 | rryoumaa | yes |
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| 18:46.13 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: probably some filesystem fsck gone wrong? |
| 18:46.13 | maxyz | Mmh, so, you were running it because there was something fishy? |
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| 18:46.17 | rryoumaa | hmm, i wonder if the shred -uvz /root/old/*/*/* actually traversed symlinks in those middle *, thus zeroing out some files. but it should have gotten rid of them completely instead of zeroing them. |
| 18:46.40 | rryoumaa | (i had old copies of etc in /root/old) |
| 18:46.40 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: shred leaves zero-length filenames by default |
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| 18:47.31 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: do you have any other zero-length files in /usr/bin? find /usr/bin -type f -size 0 |
| 18:47.41 | rryoumaa | maxyz: i was running it just to keep track of changes, figured it would be good to start integrity checking from a new installation |
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| 18:48.06 | rryoumaa | jelly-home: yes, about 50 |
| 18:48.09 | louisdk | I'm playing with mysql but don't understand this syntax: http://pastebin.com/ZhatJdkA - Why do I have to set column when writing it in replace and vice versa? |
| 18:48.17 | tgs3 | louisdk: #mysql |
| 18:48.19 | rryoumaa | amazing this computer still works :) |
| 18:48.23 | KubaBroda | hi! |
| 18:48.32 | maxyz | Ok, then you'll need to reinstall |
| 18:48.36 | tgs3 | hi KubaBroda |
| 18:49.26 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: find /usr/bin -type f -size 0 -print0 |xargs -0 readlink -f|xargs dpkg -S |
| 18:49.47 | jelly-home | sorry, that's wrong |
| 18:49.52 | rryoumaa | maxyz: yeah. but i have good rsnapshot backups of root, and another partition, so can i use that? |
| 18:50.11 | maxyz | rryoumaa: You might be able to recover some opened files, though |
| 18:50.17 | jelly-home | rryoumaa: to show the packages that may need reinstalling, find /usr/bin -type f -size 0 -print0 |xargs -0 -n1 readlink -f|xargs dpkg -S |
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| 18:50.31 | maxyz | What's rsnapshot ? |
| 18:50.35 | rryoumaa | readlink: extra operand `/usr/bin/ri1.8' |
| 18:50.47 | rryoumaa | maxyz: it just does rsync of the root fs |
| 18:50.57 | jelly-home | maxyz: a file-based backup tool, wrapper for rsync |
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| 18:52.36 | rryoumaa | the arguments i used should have deleted the files instead of zeroing them, but i suspect the shred anyway |
| 18:52.57 | rryoumaa | is this the procedure? mkfs.ext4 partition; mount partition; cp -az snapshot mountpoint; grub something-or-other? |
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| 18:58.05 | maxyz | rryoumaa: you'll need to update the blkids |
| 18:58.25 | jelly-home | what does cp -z do? |
| 18:58.33 | maxyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.48 | maxyz | Probably cp -ax, right? |
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| 19:00.28 | jelly-home | maxyz: there're no uuids to update if he's overwriting the current installation |
| 19:00.37 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Since you can find the zeroed files, you might want to copy those files in your running root partition. |
| 19:00.48 | jelly-home | (presumably with a previous backup thereof) |
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| 19:01.06 | maxyz | jelly-home: He said mkfs.ext4 |
| 19:02.03 | jelly-home | oh |
| 19:02.17 | maxyz | Are we troll free now? |
| 19:02.17 | jelly-home | clearly I should stop ircing |
| 19:03.00 | maxyz | Oh, kloeri, thanks, |
| 19:03.40 | kloeri | maxyz: np |
| 19:03.53 | Silmarilion | the troll is gone :) |
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| 19:07.10 | Agiofws | hello |
| 19:07.11 | rryoumaa | ok, so you're suggesting fixing the zeroed files using the backup, right now, on the running root? |
| 19:07.34 | Agiofws | i'm using debian wheezy does anyone know why rawtherapy won't work on my system ? |
| 19:07.49 | rryoumaa | i don't know how to do grub or chroot, but want to learn |
| 19:08.00 | rryoumaa | maxyz: yes, i meant cp -ax |
| 19:08.34 | rryoumaa | maxyz: not sure i get it. why does the fact that i said ext4 make a difference? |
| 19:09.16 | somiaj | Agiofws: it doesn't appear to be in debian's repos. HOw did you install this third party software? What doesn't work about it? |
| 19:09.37 | rryoumaa | i had been thinking of using my spare partition, and instead of reinstalling, just put root on it and do whatever grub magic is necessary to boot from it |
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| 19:11.13 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Yes, but check your /etc/fstab, it has the UUID of you filesystem if you create another filesystem you'll need to update that, there and in the grub configuration |
| 19:11.51 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 19:12.02 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Since you system is still "running" or something like that, you might be able to get away with just recovering the missing files. |
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| 19:12.58 | rryoumaa | maxyz: ok, i will try that first |
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| 19:13.35 | rryoumaa | but just in case, can somebody tell me in gentle terms how to do the grub and chroot, or point me to a gentle, focused howto? (i can do the cp and i can guess at how to do a mkfs.) |
| 19:14.01 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Any, if posible, do a second backup. |
| 19:14.08 | maxyz | anyway |
| 19:14.32 | maxyz | Let me check |
| 19:14.50 | rryoumaa | i will try to do whatever backups i can. this is my only drive, but i at least have another partition and will try to do some sort of cd backup somehow. |
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| 19:17.53 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Ok, this is gentle: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 19:19.01 | Monotoko2 | how can I SCP without copying the hidden dot files as well? |
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| 19:19.54 | Monotoko2 | nvm I will just use rsync |
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| 19:20.11 | enthdegree | how do I install debian onto my portable HDD so that both EFI-based systems and BIOS-based systems boot to it? |
| 19:21.20 | maxyz | Oh, right, but if you're running grub from your incomplete system it might fail, so it would be safer to mount -o bind /dev /target/dev, mount -t proc proc /target/proc, mount -t sysfs sys /target/sys; chroot /target and try those commands. |
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| 19:22.33 | maxyz | rryoumaa: (replace /target with the mount point of your new root) |
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| 19:23.29 | alkisg | I'm booting into recovery (single) mode, then run `login administrator`, and then run `startx`. I'm getting "user not authorized to run the x server, aborting". |
| 19:23.29 | alkisg | I run `dpkg-reconfigure x11-common` and verify that it's set to "Console users". |
| 19:23.29 | alkisg | My question is, why isn't administrator a console user in the scenario above? `w` shows he's logged in from the console... |
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| 19:24.17 | rryoumaa | that grubrecover thing seems different from what i had heard before, which was a regular command, like what the installer does? like grub-install or something. |
| 19:24.58 | rryoumaa | (reading) |
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| 19:27.24 | maxyz | alkisg: Which console? |
| 19:27.43 | alkisg | maxyz: vt1, the one that "single" mode gets me to... |
| 19:28.56 | maxyz | alkisg: I think the console users are the ones in /etc/securetty |
| 19:29.09 | alkisg | Thanks, let me try that... |
| 19:29.25 | maxyz | alkisg: I'm not sure though |
| 19:29.27 | mumpitzel | alkisg: what does "id" return? |
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| 19:30.28 | alkisg | mumpitzel: uid=1000(administrator) gid=1000(administrator) groups=1000(administrator),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),109(bluetooth),110(netdev) |
| 19:30.47 | alkisg | (freshly installed wheezy with the lxde cd) |
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| 19:34.04 | alkisg | Hmm maybe it doesn't like /dev/console and it needs /dev/tty... |
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| 19:34.41 | alkisg | Yup that did it |
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| 19:34.56 | alkisg | openvt => login administrator => startx |
| 19:35.25 | alkisg | Thanks guys |
| 19:35.37 | anoob | i've created a new user with useradd command. when i open up xfce-terminal with this user logged in i just see "$", without the username and i don't have autocomplete feature ... |
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| 19:40.49 | warpzero | Is there a metapackage to install all of the fonts? |
| 19:42.44 | jelly-home | anoob: which login shell does that user have? getent passwd usernamehere |
| 19:43.35 | anoob | "/bin/sh" is the last thing in output |
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| 19:47.39 | jelly-home | anoob: that shell is rather simple and doesn't even have autocompletion. Use "chsh" to change to /bin/bash, which is more suited for interactive use |
| 19:47.51 | jelly-home | zsh is also very nice but less used |
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| 19:49.17 | quinso | How do I add a program that's not in standart path locations to the start menu? I am using gnome but it would be nice if it would continue working with other DEs too. |
| 19:49.29 | anoob | jelly-home, thanks. will chsh change it for every login? |
| 19:49.35 | jelly-home | anoob: yes |
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| 19:50.04 | anoob | and what about dash? |
| 19:50.41 | rryoumaa | maxyz: i didn't understand what /target does, but it seems that all i have to do to get a partition to boot after putting root on it is "grub-install /dev/sda3"? |
| 19:50.47 | mtn | quinso: you can edit the menu using alacarte. |
| 19:51.02 | rryoumaa | i read the wiki page and its links, but they didn't seem to apply to what i want to do |
| 19:51.09 | quinso | mtn: ty |
| 19:51.19 | rryoumaa | (unless i misunderstood) |
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| 19:53.33 | anoob | jelly-home, thanks. it's working now :) |
| 19:53.45 | jelly-home | \o/ |
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| 20:01.19 | biberao | hi |
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| 20:03.24 | biberao | http://paste.debian.net/44386/ <- please help me im using jessie |
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| 20:04.41 | mumpitzel | ,v nvidia-kernel-common jessie |
| 20:04.42 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-common on i386 -- jessie/contrib: 20130816+1 |
| 20:04.52 | mumpitzel | biberao: so you most probably lack contrib |
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| 20:05.03 | biberao | oh |
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| 20:05.31 | biberao | let me try thanks |
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| 20:05.48 | biberao | the same mumpitzel |
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| 20:06.30 | mumpitzel | biberao: what is the output of apt-cache policy;apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 20:06.37 | biberao | one moment |
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| 20:07.35 | biberao | mumpitzel: before that whats linux-headeres for kernel 3.10-12? |
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| 20:07.44 | biberao | mumpitzel: before that whats linux-headeres for kernel 3.10-2 |
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| 20:07.57 | mumpitzel | apt-cache search linux-header |grep 3.10 |
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| 20:08.59 | biberao | i was also installing the wrong headers |
| 20:09.01 | mumpitzel | ,v linux-headers-3.10-2-amd64 jessie amd64 |
| 20:09.02 | judd | Package: linux-headers-3.10-2-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.10.7-1 |
| 20:09.06 | mumpitzel | for example |
| 20:09.09 | biberao | thanks i found it |
| 20:09.19 | biberao | and i forgot to update after change to contrib |
| 20:09.20 | biberao | hehe |
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| 20:09.49 | biberao | sorry |
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| 20:12.27 | Kismet010 | is deb-multimedia.org still not safe? |
| 20:12.50 | biberao | mumpitzel: the screensize is huge |
| 20:12.50 | biberao | llo |
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| 20:14.58 | biberao | mumpitzel: any way to generate a config for xorg auto? |
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| 20:17.58 | LtL | Kismet010: it's not a queation of 'safe' although some may disagree, the point is deb-multimedia.org is NOT supported by the #debian support crew. |
| 20:18.20 | jelly-home | there's a crew? |
| 20:18.47 | Kismet010 | yes jelly-home, they drink tea all together |
| 20:19.01 | LtL | jelly-home: for lack of a better term ;) |
| 20:19.09 | Kismet010 | thanks LtL |
| 20:19.18 | LtL | Kismet010: welcome |
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| 20:23.14 | LtL | biberao: yes you can generate a xorg.conf however it's very generic. visit, https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 20:24.10 | biberao | LtL: i made one but i dont know how to make the screensize |
| 20:24.13 | biberao | i gotta read :) |
| 20:24.15 | biberao | bbl ok |
| 20:24.16 | biberao | thanks |
| 20:24.26 | LtL | biberao: ok want a tip |
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| 20:25.14 | LtL | biberao: find the exact specs on your monitor, hsync, vsync and hertz, enter then properply. google helps |
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| 20:25.34 | LtL | now learns to spell. |
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| 20:31.31 | mumpitzel | !tell biberao about nvidia dkms |
| 20:31.54 | mumpitzel | biberao: and you can use nvidia-settings to set a resolution I think |
| 20:33.56 | enthdegree | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/91809/ |
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| 20:35.49 | anatosauro | ciao |
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| 20:55.08 | risko | if I don't have xscreensaver installed or any sort of screensaver installed, after 30 minutes or an hour, will my screen blank/black out or something? or will it remain the same? (without xscreensaver) |
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| 21:11.43 | monsterco | "apt-get install hdparm" is telling me no packages on debian |
| 21:11.48 | monsterco | what could I be doing wrong? |
| 21:11.56 | monsterco | p4:~# apt-get install hdparm |
| 21:11.56 | monsterco | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:11.57 | monsterco | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 21:11.57 | monsterco | E: Couldn't find package hdparm |
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| 21:12.45 | austinbv | does anyone have any experience building .deb packages on osx |
| 21:12.49 | austinbv | for distribution |
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| 21:13.23 | NSA_ | nevermind |
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| 21:15.12 | austinbv | I have found two ways to build them first with a debian folder control, .install, and a handful of other files. I am using dpky-buildpackage but it fails. I have found a second way that uses the other using dpkg-deb --build. |
| 21:15.25 | austinbv | I cannot find a lot of resources on the difference between the two |
| 21:15.31 | austinbv | and which is perfered |
| 21:16.13 | austinbv | anyone know the correct way to build debs? |
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| 21:16.24 | FatalFury | hi |
| 21:16.24 | diytto | hey what's the easiest way to transfer everything from my old server to my new server |
| 21:16.24 | diytto | more specifically my installed packages and sources |
| 21:16.25 | diytto | my data i can do myself |
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| 21:16.59 | austinbv | diytto: why not image the old server? |
| 21:17.07 | austinbv | or the partations you want |
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| 21:17.15 | diytto | uhhhhh |
| 21:17.19 | diytto | i have no idea how |
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| 21:17.29 | diytto | i just have shell access |
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| 21:17.57 | austinbv | what data do you want? |
| 21:18.06 | monsterco | I want to see HDD data |
| 21:18.12 | monsterco | type of HDD |
| 21:18.20 | monsterco | and also I want to know how many HDDs are installed in the system |
| 21:18.44 | monsterco | austinbv - ^^^ |
| 21:18.51 | austinbv | monsterco: what type? like solid state or disk? |
| 21:19.32 | monsterco | disk |
| 21:19.41 | austinbv | monsterco: you can dee disks mounted with df |
| 21:19.48 | austinbv | and a small bit of info whith them |
| 21:20.00 | monsterco | "df -h" shows me limited info |
| 21:20.07 | rfks | fdisk -l |
| 21:20.11 | rfks | dmidecode |
| 21:20.13 | austinbv | diytto: if you just want to copy the packages to a new box use dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:20.18 | monsterco | I see /dev/sda1 - does that mean there is only one HDD installed? |
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| 21:20.29 | rfks | only one mounted if its df |
| 21:20.34 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy Xfce 4.8] Clicking in Thunar on a .mp3 filename entry will open Rhythmbox on one computer and Audacious on another computer. Where is this set? |
| 21:20.35 | rfks | there could be others |
| 21:20.39 | austinbv | that means there is a mounted partition |
| 21:20.46 | austinbv | there could be un mounted disks |
| 21:20.47 | rfks | df shows mounted |
| 21:20.50 | austinbv | like rfks says |
| 21:20.52 | diytto | austinbv: okay thanks |
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| 21:21.01 | puff | Is there a way to do the equivalent of dpkg --get-selection on a backup of a system? |
| 21:21.26 | jupo | hi guys, ive been an ubuntu user for a while now and thinking about going to debian.. maybe even debian server at first then build up from there. but i was wondering if all the apt-get packages available in Ubuntu are availale and compatible in debian? |
| 21:21.29 | austinbv | puff: mount that backup |
| 21:21.32 | austinbv | ? |
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| 21:21.52 | diytto | austinbv: how would i install them again |
| 21:21.57 | austinbv | rfks: is there a debian developers channel? this seems a little cloudy with usage questions? |
| 21:22.10 | puff | austinbv: Sure, it's already mounted. |
| 21:22.15 | bullgard4 | jupo: Not all. But practically all. |
| 21:22.27 | jupo | ok |
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| 21:22.50 | jupo | am i also able to add ppas in deb? |
| 21:22.51 | monsterco | rfks - can you please tell me how many HDDs I have: http://pastebin.com/0k9fdL21 |
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| 21:23.01 | monsterco | and how they are setup? whether it's sw or not? |
| 21:23.09 | bullgard4 | jupo: But there are a few Ubuntu specific packages that have no simple corresponence in Debian. |
| 21:23.10 | monsterco | *software raid* and what raid # |
| 21:23.37 | jupo | ok thx bullgard4 |
| 21:24.08 | austinbv | monsterco: ssh OLD_BOX "sudo dpkg --get-selections" | ssh NEW_BOX "dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 21:24.27 | austinbv | err diytto, monsterco wrong highlight |
| 21:24.37 | monsterco | austinbv - old box ? new box? It's one server. CAn you please tell me what they would do? |
| 21:24.44 | monsterco | ok |
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| 21:25.08 | Dry_Lips | Hi! Adding bookmarks to Nautilus doesn't work for some reason. I had some bookmarks earlier, but I removed them and now I cannot add new ones. Ctrl - D doesn't work, and "add bookmarks" from the bookmark menu doesn't work either. |
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| 21:25.45 | diytto | austinbv: thanks |
| 21:26.05 | puff | Ah, found it, dpkg --admindir |
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| 21:26.12 | puff | Thanks anyway! |
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| 21:26.17 | bullgard4 | Dry_Lips: Did you check ~/.xsession-errors for relevant hints? |
| 21:26.26 | diytto | austinbv: would i need to output the --get to a txt file |
| 21:26.41 | austinbv | no you're just pipeing it to the new server |
| 21:26.48 | austinbv | you could redirect to a file if you wanted |
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| 21:28.15 | Dry_Lips | bullgard4: I don't see any ~/.xsession-errors folder... It's supposed to be in my home directory? |
| 21:28.25 | Dry_Lips | Btw, I run xfce |
| 21:28.36 | Dry_Lips | But prefer Nautilus to Thunar |
| 21:28.38 | diytto | austinbv: ohhhh |
| 21:28.45 | diytto | got it i understand |
| 21:30.07 | bullgard4 | Dry_Lips: yes. |
| 21:30.40 | bullgard4 | Dry_Lips: But is a file, not a directory. |
| 21:30.45 | Dry_Lips | ohhhh |
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| 21:30.57 | austinbv | Does anyone in here have experience building debs from source for distribution |
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| 21:32.06 | diytto | what do you mean? |
| 21:32.12 | diytto | you just want to build a deb? |
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| 21:33.16 | monsterco | rfks - or anyone else - can you please tell me how many HDDs are installed on this system and what the configuration is? http://pastebin.com/0k9fdL21 |
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| 21:34.26 | rryoumaa | monsterco: lsblk |
| 21:34.42 | Dry_Lips | bullgard4: I cannot see anything relevant in that file... Do you know where the bookmarks are supposed to be stored? |
| 21:35.16 | bullgard4 | Dry_Lips: No, I forgot that. |
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| 21:36.18 | monsterco | rryoumaa - lsblk is unknown command |
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| 21:36.50 | rryoumaa | monsterco: it is in the util-linux package |
| 21:37.38 | monsterco | apt-get install util-linux? |
| 21:37.52 | rryoumaa | sure |
| 21:38.10 | monsterco | p4:~# apt-get install util-linux? |
| 21:38.10 | monsterco | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:38.10 | monsterco | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 21:38.10 | monsterco | Note, selecting util-linux for regex 'util-linux?' |
| 21:38.10 | monsterco | Note, selecting util-linux-locales for regex 'util-linux?' |
| 21:38.10 | monsterco | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 21:39.04 | monsterco | rryoumaa - seems like it's already installed ?! Note, selecting util-linux for regex 'util-linux?' |
| 21:39.11 | monsterco | Note, selecting util-linux-locales for regex 'util-linux?' |
| 21:39.17 | monsterco | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:39.25 | monsterco | thats what I get after running apt-get |
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| 21:40.31 | rryoumaa | dunno, are you root? |
| 21:40.34 | monsterco | yes |
| 21:40.44 | monsterco | is there any other command I can run? |
| 21:40.50 | monsterco | that can tell me about the HDDs |
| 21:40.51 | monsterco | ? |
| 21:41.00 | rryoumaa | quite a few no doubt |
| 21:41.01 | zykotick9 | monsterco: this isn't debian, is it? |
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| 21:41.30 | No_Miaus | hello |
| 21:41.51 | monsterco | yes |
| 21:42.09 | No_Miaus | Can anyone help me with this, please? => hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. |
| 21:42.09 | monsterco | p4:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:42.09 | monsterco | 5.0.8 |
| 21:42.23 | monsterco | zykotick9 - ^^^ |
| 21:42.33 | monsterco | what other command can I use? |
| 21:42.43 | No_Miaus | I can't set the date.. minutes are wrong.. |
| 21:43.10 | zykotick9 | monsterco: i guess lenny didn't have udev then ;) you realize lenny isn't supported anymore right? You should really think about upgrading. |
| 21:43.21 | monsterco | ok - thanks |
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| 21:43.35 | monsterco | in the meantime what command can tell me about HDDs installed? |
| 21:43.38 | monsterco | number of them and size |
| 21:43.52 | zykotick9 | monsterco: as root, try "fdisk -l" |
| 21:44.10 | monsterco | I see this: Disk /dev/sda: 499.5 GB |
| 21:44.22 | monsterco | Disk /dev/dm-0: 16.1 GB, |
| 21:44.31 | monsterco | Disk /dev/dm-1: 103.0 GB, 103079215104 bytes |
| 21:44.41 | monsterco | Disk /dev/dm-2: 375.5 GB, 375541202944 bytes |
| 21:44.47 | monsterco | Disk /dev/sdb: 16 MB, 16777216 bytes |
| 21:44.50 | monsterco | what does all this mean? |
| 21:45.01 | monsterco | do I have two 500GB HDDs installed? |
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| 21:47.39 | monsterco | zykotick9 - What does above mean? ^^^ do I have two HDDs? |
| 21:48.29 | zykotick9 | monsterco: sorry, i'm not sure what dm-X is all about... (RAID or encryption? i think) or i would have replied ;) |
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| 21:49.02 | No_Miaus | zykotick9 can you help me please? |
| 21:49.03 | monsterco | maybe Raid |
| 21:49.41 | monsterco | zykotick9 - thanks for the info - but how come I don't see sdb? should I see sdb for a second HDD? |
| 21:49.57 | zykotick9 | Disk /dev/sdb: 16 MB, 16777216 bytes |
| 21:50.31 | monsterco | p4:~# dmsetup ls |
| 21:50.31 | monsterco | pve-swap (254, 0) |
| 21:50.31 | monsterco | pve-root (254, 1) |
| 21:50.31 | monsterco | pve-data (254, 2) |
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| 21:50.59 | monsterco | zykotick9 - 2nd HDD should also be 500GB |
| 21:51.07 | zykotick9 | No_Miaus: sorry, i never used lenny, i started using debian with squeeze (i wouldn't know where to begin). |
| 21:51.18 | monsterco | how can I mount it or explore it to see if it is used for system or not |
| 21:51.37 | zykotick9 | monsterco: and it might be! i don't understand the whole md-stuff, someone else needs to help you ('cause i can't) |
| 21:51.38 | No_Miaus | zykotick9 the problem is the clock is wrong.. i can't fix the date |
| 21:51.45 | No_Miaus | it's some minutes wrong |
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| 21:51.56 | No_Miaus | i tried ntp but it doesn't solve the problem.. |
| 21:51.58 | zykotick9 | No_Miaus: i use ntp myself... good luck. |
| 21:52.56 | No_Miaus | Wed Sep 25 00:44:01 CEST 2013 instead of 00:52 |
| 21:53.01 | No_Miaus | 10 minutes.. |
| 21:53.05 | No_Miaus | >__< |
| 21:53.08 | rfks | No_Miaus: you should be able to 'man date' |
| 21:53.15 | No_Miaus | how? |
| 21:53.20 | rfks | type man date |
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| 21:53.44 | zykotick9 | No_Miaus: ahhh, rapid changed of time can cause problems.... ntp would attempt to make this change as gracefully as it could (perhaps not all in one sitting?). |
| 21:53.55 | monsterco | How can I know all the info about /deb/sdb? e.g. HDD type, whether it's in use or not, mounted or not, rpm, cylinders, etc...? |
| 21:54.11 | rfks | fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 21:54.15 | rfks | careful tho |
| 21:54.22 | rfks | you can mount it as well |
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| 21:56.04 | monsterco | rfks - fdisk /dev/sdb is now asking me for a command |
| 21:56.13 | monsterco | i don't want to mount or unmount it |
| 21:56.20 | rfks | yeah can fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 21:56.23 | rfks | you* |
| 21:56.39 | rfks | i think m is help |
| 21:56.46 | rfks | when you are in the fdisk menu |
| 21:56.58 | No_Miaus | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 21:57.03 | No_Miaus | bua.. |
| 21:57.03 | monsterco | Disk /dev/sdb: 16 MB, 16777216 bytes <<<< weired - should this be a 500GB? |
| 21:57.34 | zykotick9 | No_Miaus: you realize you need to be root to change the time, right? |
| 21:57.44 | rfks | are you root no_miaus ? |
| 21:57.44 | No_Miaus | sure i'm root |
| 21:57.49 | rfks | ;O |
| 21:58.10 | No_Miaus | it's a VPS |
| 21:58.15 | rfks | monsterco; that does seem odd |
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| 21:58.52 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: What was the command you used? |
| 21:59.05 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: WHat hypervisor? |
| 21:59.07 | No_Miaus | date --set XX:XX |
| 21:59.27 | monsterco | rfks - I am running Proxmox - could it be that the dm-x devices are the HDDs? |
| 21:59.46 | rfks | i thought dm was for software raid |
| 21:59.49 | monsterco | isn't there any command at hardware level that can tell the device serial number and type? |
| 21:59.58 | monsterco | yeah it's software raid |
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| 22:00.18 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: WHat hypervisor? |
| 22:00.19 | No_Miaus | jhutchins hyperWhat? i dont know what is it sorry |
| 22:00.26 | jhutchins | VM Host. |
| 22:00.58 | No_Miaus | vpscomfort |
| 22:01.21 | jhutchins | Hm. Never heard of it. Is that a provider or is that the software? |
| 22:01.28 | No_Miaus | provider |
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| 22:02.17 | jhutchins | Do you know what software they are using? |
| 22:02.23 | No_Miaus | no |
| 22:02.43 | No_Miaus | what i know is.. my date is wrong and i'm having problems with it u__u |
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| 22:03.04 | rfks | can you do the same date command without the --set flag? |
| 22:03.12 | No_Miaus | date? |
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| 22:03.27 | No_Miaus | Wed Sep 25 00:54:48 CEST 2013 |
| 22:04.06 | rfks | date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY] |
| 22:04.15 | rfks | like that |
| 22:04.20 | No_Miaus | i'm gonna try it |
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| 22:04.40 | jhutchins | I suspect you may be on OpenVZ, which means you don't have access to the actual OS. |
| 22:05.08 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: You will most likely have to contact them to find out how to fix it. |
| 22:05.15 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: i think your crystal ball is probably correct |
| 22:05.32 | No_Miaus | i don't like your crystal ball so |
| 22:05.33 | No_Miaus | XD |
| 22:06.32 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: http://comfortvps.com offers both XEN and OpenVZ, what you're describing would be explained by running on an OpenVZ system. |
| 22:07.28 | No_Miaus | i'm gonna open a ticket asking them what i could do.. |
| 22:08.34 | jhutchins | You can often figure out what environment you have by using uname -a and lspci. |
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| 22:09.26 | No_Miaus | says Linux 2.6.32-348.4.1.el5.028stab107.1 |
| 22:09.35 | No_Miaus | SMP Wed Apr 17 19:37:50 MSD 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:10.03 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: That's RedHat. |
| 22:10.11 | jhutchins | RHEL5. |
| 22:10.47 | No_Miaus | and..? |
| 22:10.51 | No_Miaus | it helps? lol |
| 22:11.35 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: Again, it suggests that you're in OpenVZ. |
| 22:11.49 | pbxbrian | . |
| 22:11.58 | No_Miaus | jhutchins and what happens if i'm in openvz? |
| 22:13.07 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: You should read about it. It means you are not in control of the actual OS. You can run applications and configure the environment somewhat, but not the OS or the hardware. |
| 22:13.24 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: Why did you come to #debian with this problem? |
| 22:13.55 | No_Miaus | why? because there is a channel for debian and i thought maybe someone could help me |
| 22:13.57 | No_Miaus | lol |
| 22:14.07 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: Why do you think you're running Debian? |
| 22:14.35 | No_Miaus | because i chose it when i set the vps |
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| 22:15.52 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: Ah. |
| 22:16.04 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: So it's sort-of Debian within RedHat. |
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| 22:16.08 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ |
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| 22:16.36 | jhutchins | No_Miaus: http://openvz.org/FAQ |
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| 22:20.26 | rhiamom | Anybody here who can help with an Intel iMac? |
| 22:20.45 | jhutchins | rhiamom: Are you looking for someone to help you carry it? |
| 22:20.59 | rhiamom | lol, no. |
| 22:21.17 | jcbjoe | guys i installed a package right .. once i was done i did a aptitude purge .. i still see the config file .. i did a aptitude autoclean and its still there .. anyway to resolve this ? |
| 22:21.27 | jhutchins | Best to go ahead and ask the real question. It depends what you need help with. |
| 22:21.40 | rhiamom | I seem to running up against the known issue where in Wheezy and apparently also Jessie grub doesn't get written |
| 22:21.50 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: Delete the config file? Where is the file you see. |
| 22:21.52 | jhutchins | ? |
| 22:22.01 | jcbjoe | unn one sec |
| 22:22.08 | jhutchins | !uefi |
| 22:22.08 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 22:22.15 | jhutchins | !mac |
| 22:22.15 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>. |
| 22:22.27 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: c vim-tiny - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - com |
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| 22:22.57 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: Do you see an actual file? |
| 22:23.20 | rhiamom | yes, I read the errata. I am falling into that hole. |
| 22:23.25 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: Do you have another version of vi installed? |
| 22:23.29 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: no .. dpkg -l *vim.* shows regular vim |
| 22:23.43 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: yes when i installed this package called cream it installed vim.tiny and some other stuff |
| 22:23.47 | jcbjoe | i purged cream |
| 22:24.13 | zykotick9 | vim-tiny also comes with debian by default |
| 22:24.15 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: vim-tiny is used to fulfil the editor requirement for many different packages. |
| 22:24.37 | jcbjoe | didn't know that |
| 22:24.39 | cusco | has yet to finish vimtutor |
| 22:24.43 | jcbjoe | i remember it installed with cream |
| 22:24.50 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: dpkg may be seeing the vimrc files from the larger version and assuming that they're related. |
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| 22:25.17 | zykotick9 | jcbjoe: vim-tiny is used as "vi" for POSIX standard |
| 22:25.19 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: It might have been an update, or it might not have been installed before because the standard version was installed. |
| 22:25.41 | jcbjoe | ok cool |
| 22:25.53 | jcbjoe | i just did a apt-cache depends cream and it shows this |
| 22:26.24 | jcbjoe | gvim, vim-athena vim-gnome vim-gtk |
| 22:26.50 | rhiamom | so my best bet is to boot using a cd, since I have no floppy |
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| 22:28.12 | jcbjoe | ok to go back to basics when install a package and i want to know exactly what its going to show i can do apt-cache show or apt-cache dependiencs correct ? |
| 22:28.36 | jcbjoe | i hate when i install something and hella other stuff gets installed and i didn't want it |
| 22:28.43 | zykotick9 | jcbjoe: (sidenote, just in case) you can choose which vim is used with "update-alternatives --config vim" |
| 22:29.16 | jcbjoe | cool |
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| 22:29.19 | rhiamom | But I have no idea how to create a Debian grub disc in MacOS other than downloading and burning a liveCD |
| 22:29.24 | gry | jcbjoe, apt-get will prompt you with a full list of what it installs |
| 22:29.38 | mumpitzel | rhiamom: what is a "grub disc"? |
| 22:29.39 | rhiamom | which still won't get me booted into the system on my hard drive |
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| 22:30.01 | jcbjoe | gry: should i simluate it first like atptitude -s ? |
| 22:30.26 | rhiamom | a boot dic that only has the mneeded grub files to direct the boot to the proper place on the hard drive |
| 22:30.40 | mumpitzel | jcbjoe: define "know exactly what its going to show" ? what does "show" mean here? |
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| 22:31.16 | jhutchins | rhiamom: Did you install using efi or using MPT? |
| 22:31.25 | gry | jcbjoe, no, just by default. https://pastee.org/rpyqn |
| 22:32.20 | biberao | mumpitzel: its already part working now im having mouse and width and height screen size |
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| 22:32.53 | rhiamom | Errata for release 7.0 |
| 22:32.53 | rhiamom | Installation of GRUB bootloader may fail if more than one disk device is available. |
| 22:32.53 | rhiamom | When there is more than one disk available during installation (for example one hard disk and one USB stick, as it is commonly the case when booting the installer from a USB stick), grub-install may run into problems: it was reported several times, that the GRUB bootloader was installed onto the USB stick instead of the hard disk containing the newly-installed system. |
| 22:32.53 | rhiamom | To avoid running into this, make sure to answer No when the following question is asked during the installation process: Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record?; it should be possible to specify the right device at the next step: Device for boot loader installation. |
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| 22:33.00 | jhutchins | rhiamom: Grub works as the bootloader, but it can be difficult to do a dual boot. |
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| 22:33.58 | jcbjoe | alright so a configuration file from a installed package really isn't taking up space or anything correct ? |
| 22:34.39 | jhutchins | rhiamom: http://openvz.org/FAQ |
| 22:34.51 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: How big is your disk? |
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| 22:35.08 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: |
| 22:35.12 | jcbjoe | oops wtf |
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| 22:35.31 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: 39gigs .. avliable 25gss and used 13gs |
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| 22:35.49 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: A 3k config file isn't going to hurt. |
| 22:35.51 | jcbjoe | i have a tool i installed that checks space but iforgot so im looking for it |
| 22:35.54 | rhiamom | I don't want a freaking virtual machine |
| 22:35.57 | jcbjoe | ok jhutchins :D |
| 22:36.05 | jhutchins | caravel_: df -h |
| 22:36.39 | jhutchins | rhiamom: D'Oh! Bad pastebuffer, sorry. |
| 22:36.47 | rhiamom | lol |
| 22:36.55 | mumpitzel | rhiamom: you can create a debian netinst medium under OSX easily. OSX has dd, cp, cat. all the unix userland |
| 22:36.56 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.31 | rhiamom | yes, yes, I have the netinst disc. it simply will not write a grub that will BOOT |
| 22:37.57 | mumpitzel | does the netinst disc boot? |
| 22:38.20 | mumpitzel | if so then boot your fully installed debian with it, and install grub from there the way you want it |
| 22:38.41 | rhiamom | if I let it write where it wants on sda it fails with a blinking cursor forever instead of a boot. If I try to force it to write it to the MBR it errors that it can not write it |
| 22:38.50 | rhiamom | yes, it does |
| 22:38.58 | mumpitzel | with Macs, you need efi-grub or whatever its called |
| 22:39.40 | rhiamom | how do I install grub from the netinst disc? |
| 22:39.56 | rhiamom | grub 2 is really what I need/mean |
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| 22:40.14 | mumpitzel | grub 2 doesn't work with apple hardware. apple doesn't use a BIOS but EFI only |
| 22:40.28 | mumpitzel | so grub 2 is not what you need |
| 22:40.47 | jhutchins | mumpitzel: I'm not sure that's right, legacy grub worked with it. |
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| 22:41.01 | mumpitzel | jhutchins: so macs suddenly have a BIOS emulation? |
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| 22:42.47 | rhiamom | according to the Debian wiki, best practice is chain loading by using refit in EFI and the BIOS version of grub 2 |
| 22:42.56 | rhiamom | I have refit in EFI |
| 22:43.07 | rhiamom | actually, refind, but the same thing |
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| 22:43.35 | admin_ | Hello.. we currently use Debian on our Dell Poweredge for webhosting.. we now have a need to run a windows program. Would it work to run Win7 on it through virtuelbox? |
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| 22:43.59 | rhiamom | but how do I get grub 2 (grub-pc) installed when the installer won't insta;ll it properly anywhere? |
| 22:44.07 | mumpitzel | rhiamom: then install grub to your debian partition, e.g. /dev/sda2 or such. not into sda |
| 22:44.14 | mumpitzel | !reinstall grub |
| 22:44.15 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 22:44.43 | mumpitzel | rhiamom: only thing you need to do differently from this factoid is the /dev/foo part, needs to be /dev/foo2 or whatever |
| 22:44.46 | rryoumaa | does /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt contain actual certificates (i.e. sufficient for a program to use) or does it point to other places where there are certificates? |
| 22:45.34 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----" and -----END CERTIFICATE----- looks like a very big hint to me |
| 22:46.00 | rryoumaa | thanks (assumed it was binary) |
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| 22:46.29 | rhiamom | I have tried telling it where to install grub during installation and it refused |
| 22:47.16 | mumpitzel | read the factoid again then |
| 22:47.37 | mumpitzel | it doesn't mention "during installation" at all, does it? |
| 22:48.02 | mumpitzel | and instead of grml, you can easily use your debian netinst |
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| 22:48.55 | rhiamom | Nice page, but it doesn't tell how to reinstall grub 2, just legacy |
| 22:49.20 | mumpitzel | the factoid itself tells you how to reinstall it |
| 22:49.39 | mumpitzel | all the commands you will need to run are given |
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| 22:50.44 | mumpitzel | hmm.. it does tell you how to install grub 2 too. both legacy and 2 use the same grub-install command having the same parameters |
| 22:51.00 | rhiamom | The factoid is short on details |
| 22:51.14 | mumpitzel | with what part do you have problems exactly? |
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| 22:51.54 | rhiamom | mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map) |
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| 22:52.36 | mumpitzel | rhiamom: where is your current debian mounted in your netinst or linux live cd? |
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| 22:53.25 | rhiamom | my current Debian is not mounted at all |
| 22:53.46 | mumpitzel | then come back when it is. you need to run a linux and need to mount your debian installation somewhere |
| 22:53.59 | rhiamom | but I do not have a separate boot partition, so it's in root |
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| 22:54.22 | mumpitzel | yes. and you need to mount this root filesystem |
| 22:54.30 | rhiamom | I can't come back when it is. |
| 22:55.59 | mumpitzel | either you learn how to use VMs properly (they can be used too when you have raw disk access with them) or you gonna learn how to do it in some training environment (e.g. a VM) or you pay someone else to do it for you when you have no clue how to do it |
| 22:56.11 | mumpitzel | those 3 are your sensible options as far as I can see |
| 22:56.19 | rhiamom | so I need to understand that second mount command with the bind in it |
| 22:58.20 | rhiamom | ok, fine, tell me how to start an irc client from my netinst disc |
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| 23:01.25 | mumpitzel | if you have internet access from your debian netinst: apt-get install irssi. inside irssi: /connect irc.frennode.net /join debian |
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| 23:02.55 | rhiamom | I have Internet access, but every mirror fails, so apt-get won't work |
| 23:03.36 | mumpitzel | mirrors won't fail. if they all do then you lack internet access |
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| 23:04.30 | mumpitzel | e.g. lack of proper DNS setup for example |
| 23:04.36 | rhiamom | it sure seems to set up happily, and says it is fine |
| 23:04.52 | mumpitzel | how did you check if it actually works? |
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| 23:05.00 | mumpitzel | and what are you using? ethernet? |
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| 23:05.19 | rhiamom | wlan0, my wired is broadcom |
| 23:05.31 | mumpitzel | broadcom never works cause it's shit |
| 23:05.48 | mumpitzel | on newer macbooks even with non-free firmware it won't work at all |
| 23:05.53 | rhiamom | it gets a DHCP address and sets up IPv6 |
| 23:06.08 | mumpitzel | have you ever pingled google on it? |
| 23:06.11 | rhiamom | hence the atheros wireless use. |
| 23:06.46 | rhiamom | I have done nothing outside of the installer |
| 23:07.20 | rhiamom | and i am on an iMac, not a Macbook |
| 23:08.00 | mumpitzel | then do it for a change |
| 23:08.05 | mumpitzel | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 23:08.27 | Pei | hey guys |
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| 23:09.05 | rhiamom | well, let me head out and boot to the netinst disc?. |
| 23:09.12 | Pei | how do i get openvpn server to start when the machine reboots so i don't have to go in and manually type /etc/init.d/openvpn start ? |
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| 23:09.46 | Pei | i figured it should automatically start anyways since it is a service |
| 23:09.50 | Pei | and it's in init.d |
| 23:09.54 | mumpitzel | Pei: if you installed openvpn normally it always starts by default. but you can add it back if you removed it via update-rc.d |
| 23:10.14 | mumpitzel | Pei: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*vpn* |
| 23:10.16 | Pei | i didn't remove it.. |
| 23:10.17 | obake | Hey, I'm new to linux, is there a command from the terminal that I can run to see what parts of my system are missing firmware? I saw some during the installation but can't remember which they were. |
| 23:10.49 | obake | I'm running Debian wheezy btw |
| 23:10.50 | mumpitzel | obake: try dmesg |grep firmware or grep firmware /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:10.53 | Pei | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 3 2013 /etc/rc2.d/S17openvpn -> ../init.d/openvpn |
| 23:10.58 | Pei | hrm, |
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| 23:12.03 | obake | Sorry when I restarted the terminal it closed my xchat, can you please reply again |
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| 23:12.16 | Pei | [16:10] (mumpitzel): obake: try dmesg |grep firmware or grep firmware /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:12.20 | obake | I didn't know if you run it from the terminal it needs it to be open to run lol |
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| 23:13.01 | obake | Awesome that did it, thank you! |
| 23:13.08 | Pei | :) |
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| 23:24.32 | rryoumaa | i have a broken system. how do i turn off apt-listbugs from being hooked into apt-get? |
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| 23:25.31 | rryoumaa | i need to install something and apt-listbugs has bugs preventing that; removing it is not possible |
| 23:26.09 | rryoumaa | ah, maybe it is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs |
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| 23:41.07 | monsterco | Can someone tell me how many HDDs I have installed in my system based on this info? http://pastebin.com/X9L8rViN |
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| 23:49.18 | kimspindel | hey, not sure if it's the right channel to ask in, but I have trouble installing/running wine |
| 23:49.29 | kimspindel | I have apt-get installed it, and it installed both wine and wine64 |
| 23:49.43 | kimspindel | but when I do "wine asdfasd.exe", it says bash: wine: command not found |
| 23:49.57 | kimspindel | and I can't find a binary when I do "locate wine" |
| 23:50.13 | kimspindel | I'm running 64-bit unstable and have just recently upgraded |
| 23:50.16 | kimspindel | any ideas? :) |
| 23:50.25 | zykotick9 | kimspindel: does "wine<TAB><TAB>" show anything? |
| 23:51.02 | zykotick9 | kimspindel: did trying to install wine64 result in the "multiarch" howto? |
| 23:51.14 | kimspindel | the tabbing didn't show anything |
| 23:51.28 | kimspindel | no, I don't think so |
| 23:51.44 | zykotick9 | kimspindel: install wine64, and see the howto for getting multiarch working. |
| 23:51.46 | polyzen | kimspindel: try `which wine` |
| 23:52.07 | kimspindel | which wine shows nothing too :S |
| 23:52.18 | kimspindel | zykotick9: okay, I'll take a look |
| 23:53.22 | monsterco | zykotick9 - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6139054/ |
| 23:53.47 | monsterco | or anyone else who can tell me some info about ^^^^ |
| 23:54.05 | zykotick9 | monsterco: lol, in #d use paste.debian.net ;) |
| 23:54.12 | monsterco | lol |
| 23:54.12 | monsterco | come on |
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| 23:54.39 | somiaj | kimspindel: did you enable multiarch? |
| 23:54.52 | zykotick9 | monsterco: dm - sorry i don't know anything about software raid. what's your question? i'm probably 0 help :| |
| 23:55.31 | monsterco | I want to know if I have two 500GB HDDs installed on this server or only 1 |
| 23:55.40 | zykotick9 | monsterco: if you use ubuntu - ANSWER in #ubuntu please. |
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| 23:55.54 | monsterco | no it's Debian |
| 23:55.57 | zykotick9 | monsterco: i've already seen this tonight! i don't know. |
| 23:56.24 | monsterco | yep I know - no prob. Maybe someone else can comment |
| 23:56.49 | kimspindel | somiaj: no, I haven't. I'll try it now |
| 23:57.17 | zykotick9 | monsterco: but ya, NOT using pastebin.com, "might" get more eyes they just mine (that also avoid pastebin.com) |
| 23:57.38 | somiaj | monsterco: it appears the /dev/sda is your only physical disk and the rest are the LVM devices |
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| 23:58.05 | somiaj | monsterco: so unless you have hardware raid reporting that as only one physical disk I belive you only have one. |
| 23:58.36 | somiaj | though I wonder the /dev/sdb is, a 16meg disk? |
| 23:59.12 | monsterco | somiaj - so this is a 1TB disk then probably? |
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| 23:59.18 | zykotick9 | somiaj: that seem "weird" to me as well, but i thought it was just my dm ignorance. |
| 23:59.38 | monsterco | somiaj - I don't have hardware raid for sure - this would be software raid if anything |
| 23:59.59 | monsterco | why is it so hard to read physical disks on debian - I mean even M$ does better |
