| 00:00.07 | somiaj | zykotick9: why do you think that? I think the lvm devices are just mirroring the size of the lvm partition. |
| 00:00.07 | monsterco | simply check device manager and all info is there |
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| 00:00.24 | somiaj | monsterco: my last comment was to you |
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| 00:00.55 | monsterco | I know it's software raid |
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| 00:01.11 | monsterco | hmmmm |
| 00:01.15 | zykotick9 | somiaj: sorry, see it's NOT just dm ignorance, it extends to lvm as well. i'm just a bread and butter, ext4 user. IMO, if you need to "repartition" something went very wrong in your system planning. |
| 00:01.15 | monsterco | let me pull system info |
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| 00:04.19 | monsterco | somiaj - here are the system board info |
| 00:04.19 | monsterco | http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/6016/sys-6016tt-tf.cfm |
| 00:04.36 | somiaj | monsterco: seems you can look at 'cat /proc/diskstats' and 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' |
| 00:05.15 | somiaj | maybe lshw would list the actual hardware being used. This should list physical disks and give their part id numbers |
| 00:05.33 | warpzero | i installed most of the fonts |
| 00:05.54 | monsterco | somiaj - lshw is unknown command here - but I will try others and post back |
| 00:06.04 | somiaj | you can apt-get isntall it |
| 00:06.21 | monsterco | what paste bin you like? debian? |
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| 00:06.57 | somiaj | I use paste.debian.net its a bit slow, but I'm not picky about what pastebins I use |
| 00:08.33 | kimspindel | okay, `apt-get install wine:i386` installed a seemingly working wine |
| 00:08.36 | kimspindel | thanks :) |
| 00:09.12 | monsterco | somiaj - here you go: http://paste.debian.net/44499/ < all the info |
| 00:09.14 | warpzero | i installed a wine once |
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| 00:10.41 | zykotick9 | kimspindel: sidenote - on my non-free box, i've been really impressed with playonlinux recently! it allows multiple version wine installs, based on game, which is really handy. but i still thing wine sucks ;) best of luck. |
| 00:11.05 | somiaj | monsterco: yea you were right, two devices. you have two ata devies on is sda the otehr is sdb, it even gives the idnumber of the disk |
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| 00:11.13 | monsterco | I see two serial numbers: serial: WD-WCATR3999918 and serial: WD-WCATR4006738 and both show 931GBs |
| 00:11.26 | somiaj | yea those are teh two physical drives I see too |
| 00:11.38 | monsterco | somiaj - amazing - so now, I think one of them is not being used - how can I find that out? |
| 00:11.55 | monsterco | logical name: /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:12.05 | somiaj | monsterco: are you sure there isn't some software raid set up. I don't know much about lvm and what it is doing |
| 00:12.14 | monsterco | that is for disk:1 and disk:0 is logical name: /dev/sda1 |
| 00:12.26 | monsterco | somiaj - I hope not |
| 00:12.31 | monsterco | how can I find that? |
| 00:12.33 | somiaj | but fdisk only showing /dev/sdb as a 16meg drive |
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| 00:12.56 | monsterco | I think I have taken one disk out before and system turned on fine - but that doesn't mean that they are not in raid right? |
| 00:13.04 | somiaj | and that is very strange to me, it is porbabaly another identical sized drive. I don't know enough about lvm/software raid to make any trusthworthy statemetnts |
| 00:13.05 | monsterco | or at least not raid 0 |
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| 00:13.35 | monsterco | they are both identical size - I am 100% sure of that - but I am not sure if both are being used or not - I am running out of space now |
| 00:13.55 | somiaj | again I'm confused by the fact, fdisk -l /dev/sdb shows it as a 16meg drive |
| 00:13.55 | zykotick9 | monsterco: are you booting from a usb or card of some sort? or is there any other storage attached to your system, perhaps 16GB is size? |
| 00:13.56 | monsterco | and need to use the other HDD and want to make it available to the system - but if they are in RAID I am probably toasted? |
| 00:14.16 | monsterco | This is running Proxmox and proxmox did all the partitions |
| 00:14.25 | monsterco | Booting stratigh to HDDs |
| 00:14.51 | monsterco | zykotick9 - hmmmmmm I don't think I have any USB connected there that is 16GB |
| 00:15.03 | kimspindel | zykotick9: oh, cool :o hadn't heard about it before. thanks for the tip! |
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| 00:15.06 | monsterco | but again I don't know - haven't been to data centre for long time |
| 00:15.24 | somiaj | it doesn't say 16gigs it says 16megs. The fact that fdisk can't read the disk correct makes me wonder if some raid is giong on |
| 00:15.43 | somiaj | but I have no clue how to check that or what tools to use |
| 00:16.37 | zykotick9 | kimspindel: i'm pretty sure i'm grabbing mine from deb-multimedia... :(.. but, it's pretty amazing really - you can select "system" wine version, and non of the new games work ;) also it has option of installing a bunch of games automatically. it's pretty powerful really. BUT wine still sucks ;) |
| 00:16.43 | monsterco | if there was a raid - can I simply disable that to allow myself to use the other HDD? |
| 00:17.20 | somiaj | monsterco: ideally, again don't trust what i say about these thigns. I am a hobbiest who doesn't work on raids and server machiens |
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| 00:19.34 | monsterco | somiaj - here is more info from Proxmox that might shed some light: Proxmox doesn't support Software RAID |
| 00:19.58 | kimspindel | zykotick9: haha, I don't disagree with you - but it is a handy tool nonetheless :D |
| 00:21.24 | monsterco | somiaj - thanks for shedding some light though |
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| 00:22.42 | monsterco | Check this out - seems like no raid |
| 00:22.42 | monsterco | root@prox1:~# cat /proc/mdstat |
| 00:22.43 | monsterco | Personalities : |
| 00:22.43 | monsterco | unused devices: <none> |
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| 00:23.07 | zykotick9 | monsterco: keep in mind, proxmox is not technically supported in #debian either... i'd try "/msg dpkg proxmox" for any support options, it suggests... |
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| 00:26.19 | monsterco | thanks for the info |
| 00:26.49 | monsterco | how can I tell if a disk is mounted or not? now we know that I have sda, sda1, sda2 and sdb, sdb1, sdb2 (Disk 1 and Disk 2) |
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| 00:27.04 | somiaj | monsterco: mount lists all the mounted devices, though again not sure the layer lvm will add |
| 00:27.04 | monsterco | I am assuming that Disk1 is the main one then? |
| 00:27.21 | monsterco | somiaj - you think it also lists sdb, sdb1, sdb2? |
| 00:27.28 | monsterco | which is disk 2 |
| 00:28.08 | monsterco | Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 00:28.12 | somiaj | It list the devices that are mounted. Since you don't think your lvm is bigger than that single partiton on /dev/sda and you have no listed points /dev/sdb it is most likely not being used |
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| 00:28.56 | somiaj | but again fdisk -l /dev/sdb shows it is a 16meg disk. That is very strange to me. There are other tools such as cfdisk and parted for managing partition tables |
| 00:29.26 | cpp1 | caravel: +1 |
| 00:29.31 | cpp1 | oops |
| 00:29.34 | cpp1 | wrong window |
| 00:29.51 | monsterco | somiaj - maybe because it's not initiazed? |
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| 00:32.24 | swick | someone here who has AppAmor running on debian testing? |
| 00:32.38 | monsterco | somiaj - if you add up all the dm-x and lvm and sda that ends up being 1TB which means other disk is not used at all |
| 00:32.51 | caravel_ | cpp1: why's that my nick's coming up again ? oO :) |
| 00:32.54 | monsterco | don't you draw same conclusion there? |
| 00:33.31 | monsterco | I get 994GBs |
| 00:34.06 | caravel_ | cpp1: (or should I ask, where else are you answering to another "caravel" than me?) |
| 00:34.24 | somiaj | monsterco: no I read it as /dev/sda is a 500gig drive with a boot partition and a lvm partition |
| 00:34.51 | somiaj | monsterco: I then read that lvm partition is split up into multiple devices /dev/dm-? which add up to the 490ish gigs of the lvm partion |
| 00:35.18 | monsterco | somiaj - serial: WD-WCATR3999918 |
| 00:35.18 | monsterco | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.33 | monsterco | serial: WD-WCATR4006738 |
| 00:35.34 | monsterco | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.53 | monsterco | Unless this is a RAID that shows them as 1TB? |
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| 00:36.40 | somiaj | yea, I'll be quiet now, don't want to missinform ya. It is strange to me, and not really supported here |
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| 00:37.09 | monsterco | :) |
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| 00:37.43 | monsterco | I am surprised how hard it is to read system info |
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| 00:39.02 | NSA_ | was thinking about free software, |
| 00:39.24 | NSA_ | why only make software free? why not make food and sex free? and gas and cars free? |
| 00:39.55 | NSA_ | free softare has same sense as free oil free gas or free car |
| 00:40.07 | NSA_ | !ops |
| 00:40.08 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 00:40.19 | NSA_ | !ops how about that?! |
| 00:40.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsa_ complains about: how about that?! |
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| 00:40.47 | NSA_ | no |
| 00:40.48 | NSA_ | hey |
| 00:40.49 | NSA_ | ! |
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| 00:41.01 | kloeri | NSA_: don't start trolling again |
| 00:41.13 | NSA_ | kloeri i just asked a question about debian.. |
| 00:41.16 | kloeri | mentor: oops, misfire :) |
| 00:41.24 | NSA_ | kloeri also, are you here 24/7 ? |
| 00:41.33 | somiaj | monsterco: it could be just your setup. my /dev/sdb reports its full size with fdisk. (: |
| 00:41.33 | kloeri | no, I'm only here when you are |
| 00:41.34 | NSA_ | mentor thanks for banning that spammer |
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| 00:58.16 | orangerobot | why is that sometimes, when I run apt-get upgrade, I'm told that "some packages have been held back" ? |
| 00:58.35 | somiaj | orangerobot: if you read the man page you will see the 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' are two different things |
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| 00:58.50 | somiaj | orangerobot: for apt-get, upgrade: will only upgrade packages that do not require removing or installing new packages |
| 00:59.07 | somiaj | orangerobot: dist-upgrade will upgrade packages it can by install/removing packages to meet the depend changes |
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| 01:00.42 | orangerobot | somiaj: ah i see, thank you. Is it, generally speaking, *safe* to let apt-get run the dist version of upgrade? or is the likelihood of something going wrong high? |
| 01:01.23 | somiaj | orangerobot: what version of debain do you run. In stable dist-upgrade shouldn't be needed as versions/dependencies don't change |
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| 01:02.15 | orangerobot | ah i see. thank you for helping somiaj |
| 01:02.55 | somiaj | orangerobot: but if you are mixing stable with other repos, may the gods be with you |
| 01:03.24 | somiaj | in sid (which I use on my desktop) I prefer to first upgrade, then dist-upgrade. So if something breaks I can isolate it. I.e. minimize the packages upgrading during the dist-upgrade portion |
| 01:03.38 | somiaj | but sid changes quickly and thus packages need installed and removed |
| 01:04.42 | orangerobot | somiaj: i see. |
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| 01:07.27 | Guest59384 | hi |
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| 01:34.44 | martin3z | hi all |
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| 01:38.20 | verysoftoiletppr | hello |
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| 01:39.04 | verysoftoiletppr | I'm getting this error on ./configure checking for MySQL library directory... configure: error: Didn't find mysqlclient library in '/usr/lib64 /usr/lib /usr/lib64/mysql /usr/lib/mysql /usr/local/lib64 /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/mysql /usr/local/mysql/lib /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql /usr/mysql/lib/mysql /opt/mysql/lib /opt/mysql/lib/mysql /sw/lib /sw/lib/mysql' |
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| 01:39.45 | aypea[1] | apt-cache search mysql client lib |
| 01:41.21 | somiaj | verysoftoiletppr: sounds like you don't have the -dev libs installed for mysql. What are you trying to build? |
| 01:41.32 | somiaj | verysoftoiletppr: are you trying to build somethign that is inside of debian and you want a newer version? |
| 01:41.40 | verysoftoiletppr | somiaj no |
| 01:41.47 | verysoftoiletppr | it's super secret software |
| 01:41.49 | verysoftoiletppr | not in repos |
| 01:42.10 | verysoftoiletppr | somiaj I did aptitude install libmysqlclient-dev |
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| 01:43.31 | somiaj | verysoftoiletppr: okay, yea you will have to then figure out what libs it requires to build and go ask for support from the super secret software people because we have no clue what libs you need much less if debian can meet the requirements. |
| 01:43.42 | somiaj | you will need the -dev versions to build against |
| 01:44.08 | verysoftoiletppr | somiaj mysqlclient library |
| 01:44.43 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: which release of debian is this in? |
| 01:44.49 | somiaj | and it may need others |
| 01:44.59 | verysoftoiletppr | themill wheezy |
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| 01:45.30 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: that build system has (for some unknown reason) been instructed not to look in the standard system locations for libraries which is why it's not finding it |
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| 01:45.48 | themill | (given that you say you've installed libmysqlclient-dev) |
| 01:46.05 | verysoftoiletppr | themill so.. where is libmysqlclient-dev suposed to be? |
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| 01:46.43 | themill | Since wheezy, the library is shipped in the correct multiarch location: /usr/lib/$triplet/libmysqlclient.so but that build system is incorrectly not looking there for it. It sounds like a hand-made (and poorly made) ./configure |
| 01:47.03 | verysoftoiletppr | themill probably |
| 01:47.08 | verysoftoiletppr | what is $trilpet |
| 01:47.39 | themill | depends on your architecture. You can look yourself on your own machine with dpkg -L packagename (or even just ls....) |
| 01:48.22 | verysoftoiletppr | themill which package? |
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| 01:49.03 | verysoftoiletppr | I tried with /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 01:49.15 | verysoftoiletppr | and with /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu |
| 01:49.26 | verysoftoiletppr | this is supposed to be an 64bit |
| 01:49.29 | verysoftoiletppr | a |
| 01:49.48 | verysoftoiletppr | Linux vagrant-debian-wheezy 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:50.30 | themill | uname doesn't tell us the architecture |
| 01:50.35 | themill | !which arch |
| 01:50.35 | dpkg | To help us understand architecture-related problems, please give us the output of «(dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo». |
| 01:51.35 | verysoftoiletppr | themill I think the problem is getting solved |
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| 01:57.41 | verysoftoiletppr | themill thanks very much for the help |
| 01:57.44 | rryoumaa | is there a way to make it so that when i boot, i can choose which root partition to boot from? |
| 01:59.05 | rryoumaa | (right now, it just presents a screen too quickly for me to read, but i think the screen only lets you do rescue vs. normal boot. can i make the screen last longer and also let me choose /dev/sda3 vs. /dev/sda4 (or whatever)?) |
| 01:59.12 | themill | verysoftoiletppr: moving libraries to their multiarch locations has exposed lots of latent bugs in build systems. Handwritten configure scripts that look for the presence of a file called "libfoo.so" in a list of locations are quite problematic (autotools instead tests that the compiler/linker know where to find it which is what really matters) |
| 01:59.54 | verysoftoiletppr | themill I understand |
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| 02:05.01 | Konomi | rryoumaa: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Configuring_Grub |
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| 02:06.20 | rryoumaa | Konomi: that page says that the configuration file is /boot/grub/menu.lst, but i have no such file. |
| 02:06.29 | Konomi | read v2 please |
| 02:07.04 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 02:08.01 | Konomi | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId584691 this might cover your how do I made a new boot menu item |
| 02:08.23 | Konomi | I'd give the whole thing a good read before you start editing things though |
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| 02:13.54 | rryoumaa | Konomi: hmm, the man page for update-grub linked to is full, but the man page on my system merely says "stub for grub-mkconfig". and the info page for grub only talks about grub-mkconfig. does this mean i should run grub-mkconfig? or does "stub" mean that it merely calls grub-mkconfig? |
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| 02:14.16 | Konomi | update-grub will update it |
| 02:14.50 | rryoumaa | and then for instructions on how to edit /etc/default/grub, i should go to the info page and pretend that i will use grub-mkconfig? |
| 02:14.54 | Konomi | as far as I know it just calls grub-mkconfig |
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| 02:15.21 | Konomi | man /etc/default/grub |
| 02:15.23 | rryoumaa | (the info page doesn't mention update-grub at all on my wheezy system) |
| 02:15.26 | Konomi | try that if you want a man page for the grub file |
| 02:15.35 | Konomi | oh nvm it just loads the file sillyme |
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| 02:15.59 | rryoumaa | i ahve no such man page |
| 02:16.22 | rryoumaa | i guess i should pretend that i am going to use grub-mkconfig then |
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| 02:18.05 | rryoumaa | one final question: update-grub2 also exists. i presume i should ignore that because /etc/default/grub does not mention it? |
| 02:18.55 | Konomi | rryoumaa: info grub-mkconfig |
| 02:19.00 | Konomi | for some reason it's all in info |
| 02:19.14 | rhiamom | question: what does the Jessie installer use to partition? fdisk or gparted? |
| 02:19.48 | Konomi | rryoumaa: you can ignore it it's just a symlinkl |
| 02:19.50 | Konomi | $ ls -la /usr/sbin/update-grub2 |
| 02:19.51 | Konomi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Apr 29 09:43 /usr/sbin/update-grub2 -> update-grub |
| 02:20.05 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 02:21.58 | rryoumaa | (so to summarize: i edit /etc/default/grub, using info page on grub, and pretend that i am going to run grub-mkconfig (to find out the options in /etc/default/grub), then run update-grub) |
| 02:22.02 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 02:22.30 | Konomi | you'll need to read the other page for the new boot menu items you wanted |
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| 02:22.43 | Konomi | /etc/default/grub |
| 02:22.48 | Konomi | is just so you can change that fast timeout |
| 02:22.52 | Konomi | the variable is up the top |
| 02:23.50 | rhiamom | question: what does the Jessie installer use to partition? fdisk or gparted? |
| 02:24.15 | Konomi | probably parted |
| 02:24.50 | rhiamom | not gparted? Not gpt compatible? |
| 02:24.56 | rryoumaa | Konomi: ok, but what other page do you refer to? clearly i need to know how to set the root dir. |
| 02:25.54 | Konomi | rryoumaa: I can't help further than that I haven't added boot menu items before that's why I linked to the detailed guide |
| 02:26.56 | rryoumaa | i looked at the link you gave me, and followed the link from it to the detailed guide to grub 2. however, it does not tell me how to offer options for the root dir. |
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| 02:27.03 | rryoumaa | all it does is tell you how to configure colors and splashimage. |
| 02:27.23 | Konomi | "Add new GRUB script" |
| 02:27.27 | Konomi | did you read that part? |
| 02:27.43 | Konomi | specifically it has this part |
| 02:27.44 | Konomi | set root=(hdX,Y) |
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| 02:28.46 | rryoumaa | on which page? i don't find that anywhere? |
| 02:28.58 | rryoumaa | only for grub version 1 |
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| 02:31.04 | rryoumaa | Konomi: ah, you didn |
| 02:31.16 | rryoumaa | Konomi: ah i just noticed your other link. will read. |
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| 03:00.31 | rhiamom | I think my issues are worse than just grub. |
| 03:00.55 | rhiamom | Grub wouldn't install from the netinst disc in rescue mode |
| 03:01.34 | rhiamom | I threw in a Mint 12 live cd and it didn't recognize the linus root partition as being anything at all |
| 03:01.52 | rhiamom | burning a Debian Live cd to take a good look. |
| 03:02.29 | rhiamom | I think I am in a mess of gpt and MBR from having had windows on this drive in the past |
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| 03:03.36 | darkapp | hey i was wondring if anyone has an opinion on the fastest opendns server? |
| 03:04.06 | darkapp | and from a privacy perspective, does it really matter if it logs or not? |
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| 03:08.32 | awfabian | darkapp: you can always run your own local resolver that starts from the root nameservers. That's usually pretty fast, and the privacy is hard to beat. |
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| 03:09.57 | rhiamom | I have achieved clarity. The Debian Livecd will not boot. |
| 03:10.32 | rhiamom | got that, JHutchins? |
| 03:11.01 | rhiamom | er, jhutchins |
| 03:11.24 | darkapp | awfabian: ok but how would my computer be able to resolve dns's without outside help? |
| 03:12.05 | rhiamom | it is not gross incompetence on my part |
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| 03:15.36 | monsterco | somiaj - it doesn't show 1TB with /dev/sdb |
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| 03:16.03 | somiaj | monsterco: yea I won't be of much help for you. |
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| 03:16.31 | monsterco | I might just restart it and check BIOS - if it is in RAID-1 and I change to AHCI and no RAID would I corrupt anything? |
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| 03:18.55 | darkapp | awfabian: still there? |
| 03:19.31 | somiaj | monsterco: hopefully you have backups. (: |
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| 03:24.25 | monsterco | somiaj - I don't but breaking a RAID-1 shouldn't be a problem. Should it? |
| 03:24.43 | somiaj | monsterco: I'm not the one to answer that. |
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| 03:29.42 | acu | hello |
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| 03:29.58 | acu | how can you search when someone was around ? |
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| 03:30.15 | acu | I want to know when fredl was last logged on |
| 03:30.19 | mumpitze1 | acu: if they were logged into nickserv, yes |
| 03:30.34 | mumpitze1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.11 | rryoumaa | acu: do you mean on your computer? or on irc? |
| 03:31.37 | acu | rryoumaa, on irc freenode |
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| 03:34.39 | monsterco | somiaj - I think I am finding this now : Disk /dev/sdb2: 999.7 GB, 999665369088 bytes |
| 03:34.49 | zexcriz | if my machines are running and are live providing services, how can i test my machines for security testing ? |
| 03:34.53 | monsterco | Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes |
| 03:34.57 | awfabian | darkapp: Well, the same way any computer does. Start at the root nameservers and work down. if you tried to lookup up www.debian.org, your recursive resolver would hit the .org top-level servers .. get a referral to debian's servers, and query it for www. There's not much to it; it's just that ISPs always run DNS servers, no one bothers to run their own. It's usually faster, in my experience. After all, there's practically no load on your local DNS se |
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| 03:35.11 | monsterco | Disk /dev/sda2: 999.7 GB, 999667269632 bytes |
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| 03:49.00 | monsterco | somiaj - I know you have already said you can't help - but I think this is not in RAID - see this: pvedisplay |
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| 04:31.36 | vyadhaka | is there a dropbox like app for LAN compatible with different OSs |
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| 04:31.48 | owen1 | my router let me use 2.4 GHz and 5GHz. i setup 2 ssid with the same name. 1 with 2.4 and the other with 5. should i create diffent ssdis or will it know to handle it properly depends on the client that connect to the network? |
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| 04:35.57 | themill | vyadhaka: git-annex assistant works quite nicely |
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| 04:41.19 | john_rambo | I am downloading 7.1 atm. I have backup of the folders .mozilla & .thunderbird ..... are they compatible with Icedove & Iceweasel ? |
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| 04:44.29 | Henesy | john_rambo, yes |
| 04:45.05 | Henesy | vyadhaka, check out mercurial |
| 04:45.11 | somiaj | john_rambo: what os are you currently running? |
| 04:45.47 | somiaj | john_rambo: and yes they are compadable, they didn't change the name of the config file locations. |
| 04:47.05 | john_rambo | Henesy, I guess the torrent client is consuming the entire line speed ...your messages appeared just now / Thanks |
| 04:47.28 | john_rambo | somiaj, I am running Lubuntu 13.04 |
| 04:48.45 | jcbjoe | guys im doing some testing on this machine .. im going to be wiping debian .. don't ask why but i am .. lol i need to get a list of all my packages so its easy to install again . and im assuming i just backup my home dir correct ? |
| 04:49.44 | somiaj | jcbjoe: dpkg --get-selections or you can /msg dpkg clone |
| 04:49.47 | jcbjoe | i swore i saw an aptitude comamnd that you redirect aptitude search or something to a file |
| 04:49.53 | somiaj | on wait, never mind that |
| 04:49.57 | somiaj | jcbjoe: aptitude search ~i |
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| 04:50.08 | jcbjoe | ok |
| 04:50.28 | jcbjoe | don't i have to get that to a file then once i come back to debian i just aptitude update the list or install just that list ? |
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| 04:51.35 | jcbjoe | you had it somiaj |
| 04:51.41 | jcbjoe | https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages |
| 04:51.53 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 04:51.53 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 04:52.05 | somiaj | ahh it was aptitude clone, I tried clone, apt clone, no avail. (: |
| 04:52.06 | jcbjoe | dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log then once on the machine again dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log |
| 04:52.06 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jcbjoe |
| 04:52.32 | themill | jcbjoe: you lose information about automatically vs manually installed packages by doing it that way |
| 04:52.40 | jcbjoe | ok |
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| 04:53.17 | jcbjoe | cool thanks |
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| 05:01.22 | bullgard4 | [wheezy Xfce 4.8] Pressing the key combination Fn+PgUp on a Thinkpad X201 will raise the brightness of the display but not create the associated dialog window. How to debug? |
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| 05:02.39 | themill | what dialogue? |
| 05:03.23 | bullgard4 | A dialog which shows in a horizontal bar the value of the current brightness level. |
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| 05:05.40 | tonph | hey guys, am using debian - got a prob with node.js :( |
| 05:05.56 | tonph | FATAL ERROR: JS Allocation failed - process out of memory |
| 05:06.18 | tonph | can any One help me. what's going in this... and how can i trac what is the prob? |
| 05:06.22 | bullgard4 | I made a mistake. My question is rather: "[wheezy Xfce 4.8] Pressing the key combination Fn+Home on a Thinkpad X201 will raise the brightness of the display but not create the associated dialog window. How to debug?" |
| 05:06.37 | tonph | m using wheezy 64 bit... |
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| 05:08.21 | themill | bullgard4: do you know that there should be such a window? (is it a useful window to have?) |
| 05:09.34 | tonph | :( no one ! |
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| 05:11.03 | themill | tonph: nodejs isn't even in wheezy so the number of people here with experience of it will be fairly small -- you might get more joy asking the nodejs people |
| 05:11.27 | tonph | ok got it.. thanks then let me poke nodejs..thanks |
| 05:11.38 | somiaj | and figure out why it is running out of memeory. |
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| 05:12.35 | tonph | somiaj: Still I was trying to understand how to track the memory leak/usage - any tools which can get me correct image of that in wheezy , I tried ps and top |
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| 05:14.17 | themill | I imagine you'd need a js debugger running under nodejs |
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| 05:15.57 | tonph | <thenill> ok thanks ... |
| 05:15.57 | somiaj | google seems to suggest that there is a limit of how much memeory a script can use, and it can be increased/changed. Also you are most likely geting that error due to a bad script and you should maybe have node.js users look at it. |
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| 05:16.06 | somiaj | I did find this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7357339/nodejs-out-of-memory |
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| 05:17.30 | tonph | somiaj : I have a less file which worked out yesterday same file not working, so I was surprised so put up amongst us here.. |
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| 05:18.05 | tonph | ok thanks guys, still let me check what is the circus goin on inside... |
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| 05:21.58 | SubaruSVX | how's it? how's it? |
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| 05:22.50 | SubaruSVX | I'm trying to pick a DE for a debian server was wondering what the differences between Xfce and LXDE as far as resource usage etc |
| 05:23.15 | SubaruSVX | i'm planing on installing samba on the server and have it be a primary DC |
| 05:23.32 | qman__ | desktop environments are for desktops |
| 05:23.37 | qman__ | that's why it's in the name |
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| 05:23.58 | somiaj | why do you need xorg? If you want xorg you may find a wm lighter on resources so you only install the apps you need. |
| 05:23.58 | SubaruSVX | so i should only use terminal? |
| 05:24.23 | somiaj | I wouldn't even install xorg on it. |
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| 05:24.45 | SubaruSVX | GUI's make it less intimidating |
| 05:24.48 | qman__ | I would install SSH and connect to it using my desktop |
| 05:25.14 | qman__ | all a GUI will do is waste resources, it won't help you accomplish the task |
| 05:26.07 | bullgard4 | themill: It is a useful window to have. Because it shows what brightness level is presently set. By the way, it does appear on a Thnikpad T61 having the same ooerating system and Xfce version. |
| 05:26.40 | SubaruSVX | but i'm not familiar with all the commands and features |
| 05:26.53 | bullgard4 | s/ooerating/operating/ |
| 05:27.11 | themill | bullgard4: are you sure it's a window and not your bios sticking it on the screen? |
| 05:27.14 | SubaruSVX | right now i'm trying to setup a test environment for possible deployment at my customers |
| 05:27.21 | pav5088 | SubaruSVX, what kinds of jobs do you want to get the server to do? |
| 05:27.21 | qman__ | you will have to use the same exact commands to set it up with or without a GUI lying on top |
| 05:27.27 | SubaruSVX | well |
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| 05:27.35 | SubaruSVX | i've been using microsoft small business server |
| 05:28.07 | SubaruSVX | i've used opensuse and linux mint on my personal computers for years |
| 05:28.20 | SubaruSVX | and i was thinking that it'd be nice to stop using microsoft |
| 05:28.31 | bullgard4 | themill: It might be the BIOS producing this window on the T61 computer, I admit. |
| 05:28.33 | SubaruSVX | i use exchange |
| 05:28.42 | SubaruSVX | and ad |
| 05:29.01 | qman__ | samba 4 is pretty incredible, but I have no feedback on openchange |
| 05:29.27 | SubaruSVX | yeah |
| 05:29.30 | qman__ | the point, however, is that regardless of whether or not you install a GUI, you will have to do exactly the same thing to set it up |
| 05:29.32 | SubaruSVX | that's why i was planning on trying smaba |
| 05:29.41 | SubaruSVX | see how successful that is |
| 05:29.42 | qman__ | and that is typing commands at a terminal, and editing configuration files |
| 05:29.51 | SubaruSVX | and then start swapping out the exchange servers if that goes well |
| 05:29.52 | pav5088 | SubaruSVX, you could use a web GUI such as FusionDirectory and leave the server commandline-only... However although it's ready to use it's still very VERY difficult to set up... so perhaps not what you're looking for. |
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| 05:30.10 | themill | SubaruSVX: all of these things will require you to edit config files with a text editor -- at that stage there's no reason to want a GUI on the server as you can do that just as easily over ssh |
| 05:30.22 | socomm | SubaruSVX: check out Zimbra, if you're looking at replacing Exchange |
| 05:30.49 | qman__ | samba 4 is not that difficult to install |
| 05:31.01 | SubaruSVX | i've taken basic and c++ classes |
| 05:31.06 | pav5088 | themill, I use a DE on the server, but that's just because I need access to a web interface for a lot of what I do. |
| 05:31.06 | SubaruSVX | and i've used cli a time or two |
| 05:31.13 | SubaruSVX | but i'm still not that comfortable with it |
| 05:31.21 | pav5088 | themill, it's just more convenient |
| 05:31.33 | socomm | SubaruSVX: no better way to learn than by getting your hands dirty |
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| 05:31.36 | qman__ | I don't know what this web GUI is for |
| 05:31.40 | SubaruSVX | that's very true |
| 05:31.49 | qman__ | I run a samba 4 DC without any such thing, it's not hard |
| 05:32.22 | themill | pav5088: if you're using the FD web interface (or any other web interface...), then you can do that from your local browser just as easily. In fact,.. more easily. it will be less laggy and less icky to do |
| 05:32.22 | SubaruSVX | i have lots of customers |
| 05:32.25 | qman__ | apt-get install it, follow the setup instructions copy/pasting commands, give your password when asked |
| 05:32.32 | SubaruSVX | and i'm starting to have to roll out server 2012 |
| 05:32.33 | SubaruSVX | and it sucks |
| 05:32.50 | qman__ | then connect to it with microsoft remote server administration tools |
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| 05:33.12 | pav5088 | themill, sometimes you don't have a local browser unless you're lugging a laptop... it's just more convenient I find. |
| 05:33.18 | SubaruSVX | i'd want it to be a dchp |
| 05:33.20 | SubaruSVX | and dns server |
| 05:33.21 | SubaruSVX | as well |
| 05:33.37 | SubaruSVX | and to do file sharing ideally |
| 05:33.44 | tonph | resolved FATAL error in less ... was a prob of my script.. |
| 05:33.57 | themill | pav5088: so you might have a local vnc or rdp client but not a local browser? |
| 05:34.11 | themill | pav5088: that's um.. a little weird. But whatever floats your boat. |
| 05:34.22 | SubaruSVX | qman__ do you known if samba can push down GPOs? |
| 05:34.31 | SubaruSVX | that would be pretty cool |
| 05:34.39 | SubaruSVX | although i find myself using them less and less |
| 05:34.59 | socomm | SubaruSVX: It can from what I've read |
| 05:35.11 | qman__ | yes, it can |
| 05:35.14 | socomm | SubaruSVX: there is a #samba channel on thsi network |
| 05:35.25 | qman__ | you do need the microsoft tools to manage it |
| 05:35.30 | SubaruSVX | thanks |
| 05:35.33 | pav5088 | SubaruSVX, I've had Samba3+domain, dns, dhcp, cyrus + postfix + SOGo, OPSI, Squid and rsyslog all connected to LDAP... there is just no way I'm not going to manage all that crap without a GUI. |
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| 05:36.34 | SubaruSVX | i definitely could do what i'm trying to do with a gui |
| 05:36.39 | SubaruSVX | but i'm mostly worried about what happens |
| 05:36.42 | SubaruSVX | when i go on vacation |
| 05:36.50 | SubaruSVX | and i have one of the other guys cover me |
| 05:37.11 | qman__ | none of those things have graphical configuration tools |
| 05:37.17 | qman__ | installing a GUI does not help whatsoever |
| 05:37.31 | qman__ | the GUI belongs on your client machine, where you should be managing it from in the first place |
| 05:37.32 | pav5088 | qman__, I use FusionDirectory (a fork of GOsa) |
| 05:38.00 | themill | qman__: pav5088 spends years configuring them to use LDAP for all their setup and then uses a web-based LDAP manager |
| 05:38.16 | pav5088 | sometimes you're not at your desk and you're in front of the box... I'm not into walking back and forth between my office and the console. |
| 05:38.23 | qman__ | that's fine, but the GUI still does not belong on the server |
| 05:39.27 | themill | indeed. the benefit of all these config systems is that you do not need to be sitting in front of the machine to use them |
| 05:39.36 | SubaruSVX | all my servers have way more resources than they ever use though, i always over spec them |
| 05:39.37 | qman__ | yeah, there's no reason to be walking anywhere |
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| 05:39.58 | themill | qman__: there's always a reason to walk to the coffee pot |
| 05:40.27 | SubaruSVX | I think i probably will add a gui even though i agree with qman__ on a fundamentals level |
| 05:41.04 | pav5088 | qman__, it doesn't need to be there, but it's convenient... and LXDE is so light I use it on my desktop now because everything else is too slow. The weight is negligible |
| 05:41.05 | themill | SubaruSVX: I'm not sure what you'll do with your gui here though. |
| 05:41.17 | qman__ | the weight isn't the only reason to not use it |
| 05:41.23 | SubaruSVX | use the microsoft tools? |
| 05:41.25 | qman__ | if you're internet-facing, there are security concerns |
| 05:41.36 | SubaruSVX | i would be internet facing |
| 05:41.38 | qman__ | and many desktop environments drag tools like network manager in |
| 05:41.43 | qman__ | which can screw with things |
| 05:41.55 | themill | pav5088: I still don't understand how it's actually more convenient. You edit any files you need to by ssh; you do any FD config you need via a web browser. |
| 05:42.11 | SubaruSVX | i wouldnt know how to set a static IP via ssh |
| 05:42.13 | SubaruSVX | i would in a gui |
| 05:42.23 | qman__ | you don't use the GUI to set the IP |
| 05:42.33 | SubaruSVX | but i would |
| 05:42.33 | qman__ | you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:42.40 | qman__ | no, you wouldn't, because that's wrong |
| 05:42.44 | themill | pav5088: remember I have actually used gosa/FD ... I just can't imagine how a local GUI on the server would have helped that. |
| 05:42.46 | SubaruSVX | cuz i'm ignorant |
| 05:42.58 | pav5088 | themill, if you're doing stuff that affects a web service for example you need a way to see it looks right. |
| 05:43.11 | themill | pav5088: but I'd be doing that by ssh |
| 05:43.28 | qman__ | ignorance is neither excusable nor an excuse; the documentation is extensive and support channels like this exist to prevent it |
| 05:43.45 | themill | pav5088: even the servers that I've worked with that weren't VMs are in different continents to me |
| 05:43.56 | qman__ | w3m |
| 05:44.39 | qman__ | I also use curl quite extensively in my management scripts |
| 05:45.31 | pav5088 | themill, it's just easier to have access to a DE rather than elbow a user off their machine to get access to a browser. |
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| 05:45.56 | qman__ | you shouldn't have to bother users either |
| 05:46.58 | themill | pav5088: so this is when you're physically plugging and unplugging things on the box? |
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| 05:47.56 | pav5088 | themill, well... people want face time because it's easier to explain problems, and the customer is always right... soooo.... |
| 05:48.54 | themill | still doesn't understand the use case here |
| 05:49.01 | qman__ | yeah, I don't either |
| 05:49.06 | themill | and it's not just because I'm a crotchety old bastard. I'm trying |
| 05:49.30 | qman__ | both with the company I work for and my own things, local access to the server is only ever required for hardware failure |
| 05:49.37 | pav5088 | Also a pretty picture makes things look more up to date... I know it's dumb... but eg. a friend of mine told a story about how some mine managers wanted to re-orient a multimillion piece of equipment so the blinking lights were facing outwards. |
| 05:50.15 | themill | yeah, never underestimate the power of blinkenlights |
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| 05:51.38 | pav5088 | A command line just makes users think "primitive" and is probably part of the reason a lot of users still stick with Microsoft servers. And part of the reason the cloud is so popular is because they see the flashy interface and not the terminals that are blinking in the data centre (or rather the mostly headless boxes). |
| 05:51.57 | qman__ | the end users shouldn't be seeing it at all, really |
| 05:52.13 | qman__ | as mentioned, the administration should be done from a desktop, which has all the fancy graphics |
| 05:53.46 | qman__ | at the end of they day they really only care that it works |
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| 05:57.01 | pav5088 | qman__, well, they want to... *shrugs* and the people with the gold make the rules... and LXDE can look fancy, but it's very light... around ~100mb without trying to make it more lean, and practically no CPU. For kicks I ran it on a Pentium (less than 200mhz) just to see if it could do the job. Yeah, a racing car doesn't need pointless bells and whistles, but in some instances some of us don't mind them. |
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| 05:58.05 | socomm | I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. |
| 05:58.09 | qman__ | none of my customers have this problem |
| 05:58.53 | pav5088 | *shrugs* I don't either. |
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| 06:00.54 | pav5088 | What I've been raging about forever is automation - Linux is terrible with security these days, and automation would fix that. None of the FusionDirectory guys listen to me though. *sigh* |
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| 06:01.24 | qman__ | huh? |
| 06:01.51 | socomm | Looks like the source code is freely available. :^/ |
| 06:02.27 | pav5088 | qman__, for example in the LDAP space most of the configuration information on the internet is flawed from a security perspective (even though it works). |
| 06:02.53 | qman__ | that's no fault of linux, that's a fault of people not understanding LDAP |
| 06:03.20 | qman__ | which is, admittedly, a topic with a lot of misconceptions and misinformation online |
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| 06:04.00 | pav5088 | qman__, you can even be skilled and neglect to set a single configuration option and be open. There should be more options to be able to share and automate configuration. |
| 06:04.02 | obake | does anyone know how i can check what firmware is missing from my computer |
| 06:04.09 | qman__ | samba 4 is the most cohesive LDAP solution on linux, pretty much everything else has to be built from scratch |
| 06:04.24 | qman__ | which leaves a lot of room for error |
| 06:04.26 | socomm | obake: missing? |
| 06:04.47 | obake | yeah, i just installed debian and i know in the installer it said i was missing firmware and my wireless doesn't work lol |
| 06:04.49 | obake | it's a non free |
| 06:04.58 | obake | i just dont know how to find the name of the one im missing |
| 06:05.34 | pav5088 | qman__, the LDAP backend is a mess... the Samba guys have approached the OpenLDAP people to take over... There is a lot of political fighting about if the Samba4 code should be thrown out completely. |
| 06:06.26 | obake | anyone/ |
| 06:06.38 | obake | i've been searching forums for hours lol |
| 06:06.45 | qman__ | obake, start by enabling non-free sources and installing linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 06:07.15 | qman__ | if that doesn't work, you need to determine what your exact piece of hardware is in order to find out what you need and if it's available |
| 06:08.56 | obake | wiflsd or something similar someone told me how to see it and i did but like an idiot i didnt write it down |
| 06:09.08 | obake | and shut my pc down when I left |
| 06:09.24 | dcrypt | pc's have a mind of their own these days |
| 06:09.32 | themill | obake: iwlwifi? |
| 06:09.42 | dcrypt | obake, enable non-free repo's update apt-get |
| 06:09.56 | dcrypt | run dmesg to find the name of your card |
| 06:10.00 | dcrypt | install the driver |
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| 06:10.55 | obake | iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode |
| 06:11.17 | obake | i need to add the non-free repositories to the sources list right? that's what google has led me to believe |
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| 06:13.20 | pav5088 | qman__, Samba4 is nice because it's pre-baked together (which means less configuration). What I'd like to see is the ability to easily share configurations. FusionDirectory could do that (with it's half-done FAI support), but they're really not interested in seeing that completed for some reason. |
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| 06:13.49 | dcrypt | pav5088, code one |
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| 06:14.03 | pav5088 | dcrypt, ??? |
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| 06:14.19 | dcrypt | you want the ability to easily share configurations, so write one |
| 06:14.34 | dcrypt | that's where good programs come from, from good ideas |
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| 06:14.39 | themill | dcrypt: you seem to have missed that pav5088 has been working on this for years |
| 06:14.51 | dcrypt | i did miss that |
| 06:15.55 | themill | obake: those are two quite different sets of firmware -- one for wireless and the other for wired networking |
| 06:16.04 | socomm | dcrypt: I thought good pgorams came from bad ideas |
| 06:16.06 | socomm | ducks |
| 06:16.15 | pav5088 | themill, I'm just bitter ;) I've looked at the FAI side of things... but I just can't grok that bit for some reason. I guess the bit that can't be done is the bit that remains. |
| 06:16.16 | themill | obake: the firmware-iwlwifi and firmware-realtek packages contain them |
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| 06:16.54 | dcrypt | socomm, no just annoying ones :) |
| 06:17.48 | obake | I know that, I know where to find them on the debian website, i just dont know how to install them |
| 06:17.57 | obake | I'll keep trying. |
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| 06:18.15 | themill | obake: you've downloaded the .deb files for wheezy? |
| 06:18.15 | dcrypt | obake, synaptic package manager |
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| 06:19.03 | obake | i have the regular repo of the .deb files |
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| 06:19.10 | obake | but the two that im missing are non-free |
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| 06:19.20 | obake | i will look into synaptic real quick |
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| 06:20.00 | themill | obake: do you actually have working internet access from that machine at all at the moment? |
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| 06:20.32 | obake | yeah, i'm using it now |
| 06:20.37 | obake | through ethernet |
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| 06:21.02 | pav5088 | themill, actually... I've also been discovering that LDAP +.client side certificates are quite poorly supported. I've already filed a bug for isc-dhcp-server-ldap... and I can't get Samba to work for some reason, but I'm hoping that's a misconfiguration on my part. Info on this stuff is almost non-existent. |
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| 06:22.06 | pav5088 | Kerberos is meant to be the "hard" way... but it seems to be the "supported" way. |
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| 06:22.45 | pav5088 | Unfortuately FusionDirectory doesn't support it... *rages* |
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| 06:24.04 | jbrasch | is there a list of packages installed during a net install when you chose gui or whatever? i have a super weird printing issue... only difference between the systems is that the one that cups isn't working correctly on didn't have gui selected during install |
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| 06:25.28 | socomm | pav5088: time to either A) pickup programming, or B) find a new tool |
| 06:26.18 | themill | jbrasch: you could compare the output of "dpkg --get-selections" on the two boxes |
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| 06:26.55 | jbrasch | i no longer have two boxes. this was a fresh install |
| 06:27.12 | jbrasch | i've installed debian on like five machines the past two weeks |
| 06:27.24 | jbrasch | this is the first that i didn't select gui on during net install |
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| 06:28.02 | jbrasch | and it's the only one that cups won't work correctly. can't see printers as shared and giving the address to machines that need to print off it just gives a strange error |
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| 06:28.26 | jbrasch | guess i have to virtualbox this. christ |
| 06:28.42 | themill | jbrasch: you could run "apt-get -s install task-desktop task-gnome-desktop" to see what else would be installed |
| 06:28.56 | jbrasch | that's a decent idea. hmm thank you |
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| 06:30.39 | jbrasch | jbrasch@hubble:~$ wc -l packages |
| 06:30.40 | jbrasch | 2711 packages |
| 06:30.42 | jbrasch | hahaha. |
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| 06:34.02 | themill | jbrasch: sort them and then diff (or comm) them |
| 06:34.53 | jbrasch | that count was just the ones installed with task-desktop and task-gnome-desktop |
| 06:35.37 | jbrasch | this issue is super strange. i don't understand it |
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| 06:37.35 | jbrasch | jbrasch@hubble:~$ cat packages | grep avahi | wc -l |
| 06:37.35 | jbrasch | 9 |
| 06:37.38 | jbrasch | jbi bet... |
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| 06:43.04 | tuxman | ./list |
| 06:43.35 | tuxman | ./whois |
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| 06:50.19 | obake | yesssssssss |
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| 06:53.58 | obake | Just got the wireless working |
| 06:53.58 | obake | feelsgoodman.jpg |
| 06:53.58 | obake | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 06:54.38 | rickyb98 | hello :) is it possible to install atheme on debian? |
| 06:54.40 | rickyb98 | atheme irc |
| 06:54.42 | rickyb98 | ircd |
| 06:55.57 | obake | like a theme for the client or is that the name of an actual irc client lol |
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| 06:58.44 | socomm | rickyb98: what |
| 06:58.57 | socomm | obake: congrats, have fun |
| 06:59.16 | themill | ,i atheme-services |
| 06:59.17 | judd | No package named 'atheme-services' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 06:59.22 | rickyb98 | atheme |
| 06:59.22 | themill | ,i atheme-services sid |
| 06:59.24 | judd | Package atheme-services (net, optional) in sid/i386: modular IRC services daemon. Version: 6.0.11-1; Size: 1067.1k; Installed: 3690k; Homepage: http://www.atheme.net |
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| 06:59.28 | rickyb98 | atheme-services |
| 06:59.30 | rickyb98 | exactly |
| 06:59.31 | tu0r | hi, do someone know what this means?: |
| 06:59.34 | tu0r | (gnome-tweak-tool:5997): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed |
| 06:59.36 | tu0r | it is from the .xsession-errors |
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| 07:14.22 | rryoumaa | is there a command that will print out the hd(0,2) style numbering for partitions that grub 2 uses? |
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| 07:19.05 | bocaneri | rryoumaa, there isn't, but you don't need it. |
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| 07:20.50 | rryoumaa | bocaneri: so /dev/sda1 is hd(1,1)? |
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| 07:21.07 | bocaneri | rryoumaa, /dev/sda1 is hd(0,0) |
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| 07:22.45 | rryoumaa | that's why i am asking. a grub 2 tutorial says "Critical! GRUB 2 uses PARTITION notation that starts with 1 and not 0 like GRUB legacy! This is terribly important to remember!" |
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| 07:26.08 | SirLagz | rryoumaa: /dev/sda1 is hd0,1 |
| 07:26.17 | SirLagz | er. hd(0,1) |
| 07:26.28 | rryoumaa | ok, so zero-based for the drive and one-based for the partition? |
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| 07:26.40 | SirLagz | yes |
| 07:26.42 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 07:27.29 | peterrooney | after all these years, that still stands as complete lunacy. |
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| 07:27.39 | SirLagz | agreed. |
| 07:27.41 | bocaneri | wtf? |
| 07:27.54 | bocaneri | Why zero-based drives but 1-based partitions? |
| 07:28.10 | SirLagz | got me stumped. |
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| 07:36.35 | justin___ | I just finished installing stable. 1) Can't find that link which describes how to add the non free repository 2)gedit is not installed ....I am not familiar with any command line text editing tool ..... so I am stuck |
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| 07:37.47 | SirLagz | justin___: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:38.04 | SirLagz | nano is an easy to use command line editor |
| 07:38.29 | SirLagz | add non-free to the end of the lines, next to main |
| 07:38.41 | SirLagz | ctrl-o to save |
| 07:38.44 | SirLagz | ctrl-x to exit |
| 07:38.48 | SirLagz | justin___: and then an apt-get update |
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| 07:42.14 | justin___ | SirLagz: http://paste.debian.net/44656/ ........this is my sources.list...... I am adding non-free to the end of the lines but are the main repos missing? |
| 07:43.24 | rryoumaa | ok, having read a grub tutorial, i just have one question. is it correct to say that update-grub creates the control file for grub and grub-install is the only thing that actually changes the hard drive so that grub will be used? do i need grub-install if grub is already there? |
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| 07:45.40 | SirLagz | rryoumaa: sounds about right |
| 07:45.51 | SirLagz | justin___: that looks fine |
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| 07:46.28 | justin___ | Okay |
| 07:47.12 | maxyz | rryoumaa: grub installs parts of itself (stage 1, and 1.5 , I think) in the bootsector and in the empty space before the first partition. |
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| 07:48.52 | person | how do I find out which debian boost (the C++ libraries) package has which boost library? |
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| 07:49.57 | maxyz | Then it access the files by name, to load some extra modules, etc, so if these files are accessible to grub, you might get away without running grub-install. |
| 07:50.48 | rryoumaa | SirLagz: maxyz thanks. so it sounds like all i probably need is update-grub |
| 07:50.50 | maxyz | But it's a safe precausion to run it, and to have some other way to boot your system if something goes wrong. |
| 07:50.50 | justin___ | SirLagz: http://paste.debian.net/44657/ ...... done but cant install gedit, vlc ...etc |
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| 07:51.06 | rryoumaa | ah, ok so it won't be aproblem to run grub-install? |
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| 07:52.50 | maxyz | person: You could probably use apt-file to search for a missing file. |
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| 07:54.00 | SirLagz | justin___: might need the contrib repos |
| 07:54.10 | maxyz | You could also guess it by the package name, install libboost-dev to have almost all of them installed. |
| 07:54.55 | maxyz | person: Why are you trying to run a non-packaged binary, anyway? |
| 07:55.03 | justin___ | SirLagz: Just found out ....adding now |
| 07:56.04 | SirLagz | echo "/////home/sirlagz/Pi/" | sed "s|^[a-zA-Z0-9\./]\+\.\.||g" <-- why does that sed not get rid of the beginning slashes ? |
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| 07:57.10 | person | maxyz: I don't understand your question. I'm a programmer and I want to experiment with something in boost without installing everything in boost. |
| 07:57.56 | maxyz | rryoumaa: Ah, grub-install sets the location of the grub.cfg, in the data that is stored in the start of the disk. |
| 07:58.40 | person | maxyz: apt-file worked so thank you |
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| 07:59.26 | maxyz | Ok, I thought you were trying to run some random binary. |
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| 08:07.21 | jelly-home | SirLagz: double quotes and what's in them gets interpreted by the shell, and \ escapes get removed. Use single quotes for sed when possible. Even with that, that regex doesn't look right; what are \.\. supposed to match? |
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| 08:08.13 | SirLagz | jelly-home: \.\. is meant to match // |
| 08:08.13 | SirLagz | er |
| 08:08.16 | SirLagz | .. |
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| 08:08.48 | jelly-home | SirLagz: there are no ".." output by the echo |
| 08:08.57 | rryoumaa | SirLagz: you might need -r for the + |
| 08:08.59 | SirLagz | jelly-home: not in that string there aren't |
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| 08:09.12 | SirLagz | but it's a possibile output of this script im building |
| 08:09.17 | jelly-home | SirLagz: so there's nothing to match, and it works as it ought to |
| 08:09.20 | SirLagz | which that sed needs to account for |
| 08:09.32 | SirLagz | jelly-home: ahh...true. derp |
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| 08:09.57 | SirLagz | how can I make the \.\. optional ? |
| 08:09.59 | SirLagz | or .. |
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| 08:10.34 | rryoumaa | (..)? |
| 08:10.44 | rryoumaa | or maybe you need escapes |
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| 08:11.07 | jelly-home | SirLagz: echo "/////home/sirlagz/Pi/___" | sed -r 's|^[a-zA-Z0-9./]+(\.\.)?||g |
| 08:11.15 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 08:11.22 | jelly-home | SirLagz: echo "/////home/sirlagz/Pi/___" | sed -r 's|^[a-zA-Z0-9./]+(\.\.)?||g' |
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| 08:13.41 | SirLagz | hrrm... |
| 08:14.05 | SirLagz | not working still =/ |
| 08:14.44 | SirLagz | wait |
| 08:14.45 | SirLagz | typo |
| 08:14.57 | SirLagz | nope =/ |
| 08:15.29 | C00re | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 08:15.50 | jelly-home | SirLagz: can you pastebin a couple lines of possible input and desired output? |
| 08:15.59 | SirLagz | sure |
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| 08:16.42 | SirLagz | http://pastebin.com/5iZxeZbZ |
| 08:16.58 | pav5088 | themill, the problems I was having with Samba was due to a bug in FD. :) *deep sigh* It's probably bad I'm making changes and also using a bleeding edge FD. |
| 08:17.30 | themill | yeah, one change at a time is always best |
| 08:17.45 | SirLagz | jelly-home: I'm trying to build a file browser in whiptail |
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| 08:18.14 | SirLagz | jelly-home: a very simple one, just to let someone navigate a directory tree in a whiptail script |
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| 08:20.27 | jelly-home | SirLagz: if you only care about path that exist already, use readlink |
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| 08:21.26 | jelly-home | paths* |
| 08:21.38 | darkapp | so i got a new external harddrive which is ntfs filing system, and originally i was able to mount it automatically but now its saying i need permissions, is there a way to make it just work by default? |
| 08:21.51 | SirLagz | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 08:22.36 | darkapp | gave me this link too http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
| 08:22.52 | jelly-home | SirLagz: eg. readlink -m /../bin/../opt/../home/sn/ausage/ |
| 08:23.28 | jelly-home | (-m even works for nonexisting path components) |
| 08:23.30 | darkapp | full error msg: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 08:23.31 | darkapp | Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE |
| 08:23.31 | darkapp | library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated |
| 08:23.31 | darkapp | FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at |
| 08:23.31 | darkapp | http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 08:23.37 | darkapp | woops my bad |
| 08:23.48 | darkapp | thought that was one line for some reason |
| 08:24.54 | SirLagz | jelly-home: awesome, thanks |
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| 08:26.34 | remmy | jelly-home: I managed to get my squeeze system back to a stable install, thanks :) |
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| 08:34.56 | SirLagz | trying to work out what units resize2fs -P outputs |
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| 10:20.47 | quinso | Hello. I am using debian stable with gnome I slightly hear the sound from microphone in my headphones. |
| 10:20.56 | quinso | Why can it be so and how do I fix it? |
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| 10:27.55 | martin3z | which soundsystem u use? maybe level of PCM is too low. Try this, install alsamixer, run alsamixer in console, change PCM level for me it works. |
| 10:28.04 | quinso | No need to answer mu question - I fixed it opening gnome alsa mixer and I moved front mic slider to the bottom - so my mic still functions for sound-recording things but I don't hear it now all the time. |
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| 10:32.59 | quinso | Actually. |
| 10:33.01 | quinso | I didn't fix it. |
| 10:33.14 | quinso | It just turned down the volume of mic |
| 10:33.37 | martin3z | ok, but not it works? |
| 10:33.46 | martin3z | now* |
| 10:34.08 | quinso | it works much lower |
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| 10:35.00 | quinso | It just has reduced volume now and that's why I don't hear it in headphones. |
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| 10:35.13 | quinso | But level of recording is lower too. |
| 10:35.29 | martin3z | find if u have Master and PCM sliders |
| 10:35.49 | quinso | I do |
| 10:36.11 | quinso | Both turned down make it so that I hear nothing at all. |
| 10:36.27 | martin3z | you need to turn it on both |
| 10:36.44 | martin3z | but put about 70% |
| 10:36.59 | quinso | Ok, I did |
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| 10:40.41 | martin3z | if it not works, choose Input source, and find Mic slider, it can be named Capture as well |
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| 10:44.45 | uwjesq | Hello. How can I just switch the keys y and z temprarily (xmodmap maybe)? |
| 10:45.46 | twostone | console or X? |
| 10:46.15 | uwjesq | twostone: I have x running. I start the application from an xterm. |
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| 10:47.58 | twostone | easiest way would be to install a locale-selector for your desktop environment. There are loads our there for most WMs, just take your pick. Downside would be, you might have to restart your xterm for the changes to take effect. |
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| 10:49.16 | HellTiger | hello, is there somthing more advanced, like bash history? i want to log all my activity to see what changes i made to the system |
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| 10:50.07 | twostone | @HellTiger: Something like FAM, the file alteration monitor? |
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| 10:51.00 | uwjesq | twostone: I want to avoid changing the keyboard layout. Since I just need these two keys switched for the typing tutor I am using. Guess I dig in a little bit more into xmodmap. I usually use it for these kind of temporary changes. |
| 10:51.21 | HellTiger | thx twostone, i didnt know for what i search :] |
| 10:52.34 | twostone | @uwjesq: The typing tutor probably refers to a specific keyboard layout anyways. But that's my guess. |
| 10:52.52 | themill | HellTiger: something like etckeeper might be what you're looking for |
| 10:52.52 | SirLagz | is there an easy way to query the size of a filesystem that is within an image ? |
| 10:53.01 | HellTiger | thanks |
| 10:53.36 | uwjesq | twostone: Yes it does. I consider switching the whole layout. |
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| 10:54.42 | martin-_- | hi, i get on gnome wireless - firmware missing how can i install it? |
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| 10:56.58 | twostone | @martin: Which NIC? |
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| 11:02.52 | martin-_- | i dont know the vendor of the nic twostone |
| 11:03.15 | martin-_- | http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3425&review=Asus+A8JP ah here |
| 11:03.24 | martin-_- | Intel PRO 3945 Wireless 802.11a/b/g |
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| 11:04.53 | mumpitze1 | !iwlwifi |
| 11:04.53 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
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| 11:05.46 | martin-_- | thans mumpitze1 |
| 11:05.50 | twostone | Package firmware-iwlwifi is part of the non-free repositories. |
| 11:06.47 | martin-_- | yee its working :D |
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| 11:29.56 | Dewi | does dmraid raid-1 require LVM? |
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| 11:46.36 | tremon | Dewi: yes. if you don't want lvm, use md instead |
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| 11:47.14 | Dewi | thx tremon |
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| 12:00.12 | schreber | Is there an easy way to get Debian to install/compile the appropriate video driver (ATI) based kernel post dist-upgrade from a new install (Jessie/Testing)? |
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| 12:08.13 | somiaj | are you talking about the fglrx driver? if so that is what the dkms packages do, they will automate the compile for any kernel you have the headers installed |
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| 12:32.35 | Gambaroni | Hello |
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| 12:33.38 | Gambaroni | What does exactly this mean in auth.log? sshd[4087]: error: connect_to 107.20.206.69 port 20: failed. |
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| 12:35.24 | Guest67640 | hi guys! I am running aptitude search "?not(automatic)" and it yields a line: "i A libkmod2 "... Doesn't 'A' mean it's automatic? |
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| 12:36.11 | tremon | Guest67640: you're missing a ? before automatic |
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| 12:36.27 | Guest67640 | oh! thanks tremon! cool 1it works! :) |
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| 12:37.54 | twostone | @Gambaroni: simple: sshd could not communicate with the server instance (which was probably not started). |
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| 12:40.33 | tremon | twostone: it does read like that, but why would sshd even attempt that outbound connection? Is it a result of someone using ssh (remote) port forwarding? |
| 12:40.55 | tremon | (I'm not the one asking the question, just curious) |
| 12:41.23 | twostone | @tremon: Could be, on the other hand it might just be an adress-bound daemon that could not start. |
| 12:41.49 | tremon | ah, that's possible. Much simpler explanation :) |
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| 12:45.32 | twostone | I guess we'll never know now... |
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| 12:56.57 | Yong | Any here there can tell me if i will have to use PHPs own mail function, are that SendMail i have to setup on my Debian Server? |
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| 12:58.09 | SirLagz | Yong: do you mean if you use PHP's own mail function whether you need to setup your own sendmail server ? |
| 12:58.23 | xand | Yong: you don't need actual sendmail, but you need a binary called that, which many MTAs provide e.g. exim or postfix |
| 12:59.22 | Yong | SirLagz - Yes? |
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| 12:59.42 | mumpitze1 | iirc php can send mail either via calling /usr/sbin/sendmail or via port 25. so you will need a package that provides sendmail, but a very basic one like nullmailer or similar will do |
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| 13:00.26 | xand | I think the port 25 thing only works on non-*nix machines |
| 13:00.33 | xand | according to the php documentation |
| 13:00.47 | koollman | mumpitze1: try the mail function, see what happens |
| 13:02.00 | Yong | xand - Ahh |
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| 13:02.35 | somiaj | why is that port 25 is the standard smtp port. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a predefined php function for accessing any local or remote SMTP server without needing the use of an MTA on the box |
| 13:02.44 | Yong | mumpitze1 - So you mean i need to setup eksempel NullMailer to handle that? |
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| 13:03.16 | themill | Yong: you probably already have exim4 installed. |
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| 13:04.13 | Yong | themill - How can i see that if i i had? |
| 13:04.45 | somiaj | if for somereason you local machine dosen't have SMTP support, seems there is PHPMailer which can connect to non local smtp servers (even with user auth) |
| 13:05.36 | ofmg | what's the worst that could happen if I do s/squeeze/sid/ on my sources.list ? |
| 13:05.53 | ofmg | so, oldstable -> unstable |
| 13:06.12 | digdilem | it screws up and you have to revert to your current backups |
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| 13:06.35 | digdilem | probably not going to start world war three, unless it's a particularly important machine |
| 13:06.45 | somiaj | ofmg: it will most likely break, I would at least run though wheezy first |
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| 13:07.15 | ofmg | hm, ok. I'll just do a fresh install then. Already did all the backups. |
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| 13:07.36 | somiaj | ofmg: any reason why you want to upgrade to sid over just running wheezy? Just making sure you know what you are getting yourself into (: |
| 13:08.10 | ofmg | having been stuck on oldstable makes me yearn for current packages. |
| 13:08.18 | Yong | somiaj - So you probely mean i not can get it to work? |
| 13:08.49 | themill | ofmg: so upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 13:09.16 | dvs | !sns |
| 13:09.32 | somiaj | Yong: not at all. There are various ways, I was just mentioning PHPMailer as it seems to be full featured and allows you to use remote SMTP servers. |
| 13:09.35 | themill | Yong: not at all. This should be trivial to get working, but you need to actually do it rather than keep asking questions and getting yourself more confused |
| 13:09.55 | themill | somiaj: don't you have to rewrite the php to actually use that? |
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| 13:11.28 | Yong | somiaj - themill - Okay |
| 13:11.30 | Yong | That alot |
| 13:11.37 | benny___ | I can do netinstall on the Sheevaplug using debian Wheezy. But I can't do it using Jessie, it appears the required Ethernet module is missing. How can I see which modules are in a uImage? (That way I can see what module is missing) |
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| 13:12.06 | themill | benny___: I wouldn't be surprised if the jessie installer were all kinds of broken right now. |
| 13:12.13 | mumpitze1 | benny___: you shouldn't use a jessie installer in the first place. and you know what is missing by checking what wheezy uses |
| 13:12.29 | somiaj | themill: the docs seem to suggest you just import a class, and let it do the work. |
| 13:14.26 | themill | somiaj: I'm pretty sure you have to rewrite the php to use the different API (rather than just calling mail()). (I've not done php for about 8 years so I might be missing something here) |
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| 13:14.57 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:16.09 | somiaj | Dewi: correct, but if it is a partition mentinoed in your /etc/fstab the startup processes will try to mount it |
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| 13:16.54 | Dewi | somiaj: yeah, can't remember the consequence of that but I assume it's not too severe |
| 13:16.55 | somiaj | themill: yea I guess I missed he already had php code that just calls mail() already. |
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| 13:17.17 | ofmg | even the debian-faq recommends installing unstable for desktop users who want current packages. |
| 13:17.54 | somiaj | ofmg: Use sid if you realize that you may end up fixing your system |
| 13:18.00 | themill | ofmg: that's just one person's opinion who has obviously never had to support users in #debian |
| 13:18.20 | somiaj | ofmg: I run sid on my play machine, but run stable on my work desktop. My sid machine has had plenty of weekends I spend fixing it instead of using it. |
| 13:18.38 | ofmg | hm |
| 13:18.39 | anddam | I'm trying to fetch a whole remote tree via FTP, I'm using ncftpget from package ncftp, I saved a bookmark with user and password and I'm running ncftpgt -RT mybookmark /tmp /club where /club is the directory i want to fetch |
| 13:18.52 | themill | ofmg: if you read the text, it also doesn't say that |
| 13:19.13 | anddam | seems the client tries to run SIZE on the directory and it fails, hence ncftpget returns with an error |
| 13:19.15 | somiaj | also if you are not sure how to debug dependecy loops, install errors or search bug reports for fixes, sid may not be for you. If you want to have fun leanring how to fix a broken package and get better at debian, sid can be a lot of fun..(: |
| 13:19.17 | Dewi | ofmg: if it's just the occasional new thing you need, backports (from the repo or home-made) are a low-risk way to dip one toe in |
| 13:19.47 | somiaj | ofmg: ^^ |
| 13:19.52 | mumpitze1 | anddam: use wget or curl? |
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| 13:19.57 | anddam | "Could not traverse directory: could not parse extended file or directory information" |
| 13:20.06 | anddam | mumpitze1: ok, but ncftp seems the specific tool for the job |
| 13:20.41 | anddam | the point is from what I see ncftp isn't treating the directory as a directory, examples I see in man page works as I'm already doing, tho' |
| 13:20.51 | anddam | the remote server is Centos, therefore unix-ish |
| 13:21.07 | somiaj | hmm, did dpkg not get back in here after he was accidently banned. :( |
| 13:21.57 | mumpitze1 | wasn't banned. and it left the network, not just the channel |
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| 13:22.29 | anddam | and while running without -T I get "tar: This does not look like a tar archive" |
| 13:22.52 | somiaj | na dpkg is just having other issues, I see him responding after the acidential ban |
| 13:23.15 | ofmg | I guess I'll give testing a shot first and see how badly outdated it is ;) |
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| 13:23.33 | ofmg | Maybe my fears are exaggerated having been on oldstable for a while. |
| 13:23.42 | ofmg | *give stable a shot |
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| 13:24.25 | somiaj | ofmg: jessie has many of the same issues sid does in things may not work and require a lot of work |
| 13:24.44 | somiaj | ofmg: again these are just warnings. sid is a lot of fun if you enjoy bugs! |
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| 13:29.19 | moty66 | where is dpkg bot? |
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| 13:31.28 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
| 13:31.37 | dvs | !wb |
| 13:31.38 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
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| 13:32.37 | moty66 | themill: thanks |
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| 13:33.44 | themill | np. no idea why the bot didn't join on its own |
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| 13:34.56 | mooperd | ape-deck |
| 13:34.57 | somiaj | he wanted your loving attention |
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| 13:35.17 | kurtcoke | Is it possible to use https:// mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:35.38 | themill | kurtcoke: it is if you install the relevant transport package, but it doesn't really gain you anything |
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| 13:36.56 | kurtcoke | themill, apt-get install transport? Mmm, I get what you are saying but I'm paranoid ok |
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| 13:38.09 | themill | kurtcoke: apt-transport-https. All it does is stop an intermediate recording that you have downloaded a particular package. The mirror obviously still knows. |
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| 13:41.26 | kurtcoke | themill, I just wanna be sure someone isn't spoofing dns, ssl is supposed to kind of verify authenticity, although you could use something like ssl strip if someone has accepted kinda false ssl certs or intercepted someone else's |
| 13:41.32 | kurtcoke | themill, thanks btw |
| 13:41.46 | moty66 | themill: how can I fix a bad link on a message from the dpkg bot? |
| 13:43.14 | themill | moty66: which? |
| 13:43.29 | moty66 | ruby: http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/ |
| 13:43.48 | themill | kurtcoke: MITM doesn't matter when you've got a GPG signed repo. apt isnt going to trust anything from a repo that's not signed by the debian keys |
| 13:44.26 | themill | moty66: is there a new location for that |
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| 13:45.02 | moty66 | themill: I don't know |
| 13:45.14 | themill | ok, thanks. I've removed that link |
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| 13:47.09 | kurtcoke | themill, Are the keys downloaded over SSL too, initially? |
| 13:47.45 | zophy | hi |
| 13:47.55 | leoleo112 | hello |
| 13:47.58 | zophy | hi |
| 13:48.08 | leoleo112 | whats up |
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| 13:48.24 | zophy | the sky |
| 13:48.35 | leoleo112 | the sun |
| 13:48.48 | zophy | i'm a leo too |
| 13:48.53 | themill | kurtcoke: depends on how you obtain your debian media. If you've already got debian or a derivative then you can get a GPG signed hash of the installer and that has the relevant keys in it. |
| 13:49.04 | themill | leoleo112, zophy: looking for #defocus? |
| 13:49.05 | leoleo112 | haha thats cool |
| 13:49.27 | leoleo112 | im trying to help |
| 13:49.33 | leoleo112 | zophy |
| 13:49.37 | kurtcoke | themill, Thanks. |
| 13:49.46 | zophy | well.. when i install a package i get the error message about the keys |
| 13:49.53 | moty66 | themill: new link is here http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/book/ |
| 13:49.54 | themill | kurtcoke: if you're not got a debian machine already then you need access to the GPG key somehow -- it's widely known in the WOT so you could get to it from that; it's also downloadable over https |
| 13:50.04 | themill | moty66: great, thanks |
| 13:50.19 | leoleo112 | what keys? |
| 13:50.20 | LunaLovegood | To have rox-filer as my desktop in awesome, would it suffice to just run a rox pinboard and set it to display on all tags in awesome's rc.lua ? |
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| 13:50.33 | kurtcoke | themill, thanks |
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| 13:50.51 | kurtcoke | moty66, What is that link for? |
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| 13:51.03 | kurtcoke | I mean I know what it points to, i've read some of the guide |
| 13:51.21 | kurtcoke | but why are you posting that. just curious |
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| 13:51.58 | LRN | is there a way to install multiple versions of autoconf simultaneously? Say, 2.65 and 2.69? |
| 13:52.03 | themill | kurtcoke: moty66's just helping me fix a dead link in our factoid database |
| 13:52.04 | zophy | hmmm, is there an official debian package that has the sole purpose of being used to test the debian package management ? |
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| 13:52.37 | zophy | i volunteer to create and manage such a package' |
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| 13:53.04 | themill | zophy: what precisely would you be testing? |
| 13:53.10 | leoleo112 | zophy: have you tried updating and upgrading from command line? |
| 13:53.19 | nonconvergent | Testing the ability to test. Apparently. |
| 13:54.00 | zophy | themill, it would be a test of the ability to download and install packages |
| 13:54.31 | kurtcoke | themill, Oh cool, where is the factoid database? |
| 13:54.33 | zophy | test.deb |
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| 13:55.07 | themill | zophy: pick any of the thousands of little packages. hello or sl make good choices |
| 13:55.11 | rabbitnightmare | hey maybe I can get an answer here |
| 13:55.33 | rabbitnightmare | how do I tell on Ubuntu (yeah I know I already asked but got trolled) what my usb card is |
| 13:55.34 | dvs | rabbitnightmare: as long as it's Debian |
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| 13:55.48 | rabbitnightmare | unetbootin says its /dev/sdi1 |
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| 13:55.55 | rabbitnightmare | I am trying to make a install disk |
| 13:55.59 | rabbitnightmare | an* |
| 13:56.00 | twostone | dink! |
| 13:56.16 | zophy | themill, of course that makes sense, but it also would be sensible to have a specific qualification package |
| 13:56.21 | rabbitnightmare | hey I bought the system76 and it came with Ubuntu I didnt have a choice what OS came on it |
| 13:56.25 | themill | rabbitnightmare: I think you wanted #ubuntu |
| 13:56.35 | rabbitnightmare | themill, I asked |
| 13:56.52 | rabbitnightmare | their minds blew up about the fact I was using an iso that wasnt Ubuntu |
| 13:57.20 | rabbitnightmare | all I want to know is what is the terminal command to check where /dev/sdi1 is mounted |
| 13:57.25 | jarick | Perhaps you should ask the people who sold you your laptop? |
| 13:57.42 | anddam | I don't get this debugging output, ncftp doesn't even try to download https://gist.github.com/anddam/6660120 |
| 13:57.42 | rabbitnightmare | oh for fucks sake why are people so useless in irc lately |
| 13:57.45 | mumpitze1 | rabbitnightmare: "mount" |
| 13:57.53 | themill | rabbitnightmare: when did you actually ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 13:58.08 | kurtcoke | rabbieth, Try just # mount or # df -h |
| 13:58.17 | zophy | sdi ? |
| 13:58.19 | kurtcoke | i meant rabbieth |
| 13:58.23 | zophy | wowser |
| 13:58.44 | anddam | ragequit |
| 13:58.53 | kurtcoke | haha autocomplete not working if the person is offline |
| 14:00.13 | Dewi | will mdadm or LVM need any special configuration for 4k sectors at this point? |
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| 14:03.38 | CygniX | hi, I just did a minimum install of debian, and dont recall being prompted to setup user/root |
| 14:04.07 | CygniX | system reboot and all i see is this http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/18a43bf2 |
| 14:04.28 | Dewi | CygniX: should have been right near the start |
| 14:04.40 | dvs | CygniX: Yeah, it does explicitly ask you. |
| 14:04.55 | CygniX | hmmm |
| 14:05.29 | themill | dpkg: tell CygniX about ifrp |
| 14:06.06 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: log in as your normal users which you created on install |
| 14:06.10 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: then use sudo |
| 14:06.21 | mumpitze1 | themill: he probably didn't set up a root password at all |
| 14:06.22 | zophy | i wasn't aware that login gives a Hint message |
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| 14:06.47 | themill | mumpitze1: that's entirely possible too. |
| 14:06.47 | CygniX | it didnt even give the option to create a user |
| 14:06.58 | themill | CygniX: what installer was this? |
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| 14:07.07 | zophy | mumpitze1, but... don't you need to be root to setup sudo ? |
| 14:07.20 | CygniX | themill: the cd 1 iso of debian 7 |
| 14:07.30 | mumpitze1 | zophy: it's set up at installation time by the installer itself |
| 14:07.43 | themill | CygniX: hmm... that definitely asks for both root and user details |
| 14:07.44 | mumpitze1 | zophy: it makes the user you create there a sudoer. basically like ubuntu |
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| 14:08.05 | zophy | oh it does ? that's great |
| 14:08.15 | CygniX | OK, I will do the installation again |
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| 14:08.44 | themill | CygniX: you don't need to |
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| 14:10.37 | anddam | CygniX: change passwords if you don't remember those |
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| 14:11.05 | dvs | anddam: How do you change the password if you don't know the password? |
| 14:11.59 | zykotick9 | !tell dvs about ifrp |
| 14:12.06 | themill | dvs: it's trivial to get the bootloader to let you in |
| 14:12.47 | dvs | NSA! |
| 14:12.48 | CygniX | even if the root is encrypted ? |
| 14:13.10 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: then you need the password for the fs encryption. root password is meaningless |
| 14:13.13 | CygniX | the only password i recalled entering was to setup the lvm device |
| 14:13.36 | CygniX | mumpitze1: yes it prompts for that and then boots |
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| 14:13.53 | anddam | dvs: you boot in single user mode |
| 14:14.15 | zophy | i still think it's weird that login gives that Hint message... |
| 14:14.19 | mumpitze1 | dvs: init=/bin/sh and you are in |
| 14:14.36 | mumpitze1 | zophy: why weird? telling the user that num lock and capslock are on is a good thing |
| 14:14.39 | anddam | i'm using lftp instead of ncftp but seems to drop the connection very often |
| 14:15.05 | zophy | mumpitze1, i've never seen that message on my console\ |
| 14:15.12 | anddam | is any of you a regular ncftp user? |
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| 14:15.43 | mumpitze1 | zophy: I rarely if ever log in via console. ssh by far most of the time |
| 14:15.53 | anddam | by the time lftp managed to fetch 2MB of data wget did 12 |
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| 14:16.37 | mumpitze1 | when I used lftp I used it interactively. didn't see and slow speeds then |
| 14:16.39 | CygniX | forget this, i am starting the installer over |
| 14:16.44 | mumpitze1 | or disconnects |
| 14:16.51 | CygniX | i wan to make sure i just didnt forget the password |
| 14:16.59 | CygniX | pretty sure I didnt |
| 14:17.00 | themill | CygniX: did you do what dpkg suggested? |
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| 14:18.04 | CygniX | themill: not yet, I want to do the installer again. this was my very first debian text installation, so... |
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| 14:22.31 | CygniX | Ok the installer is starting over, basically, the goal is to install the minimum server packages, with encrypted root. |
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| 14:22.50 | CygniX | in text mode |
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| 14:23.18 | CygniX | since I wont have the graphical interface when doing a remote install |
| 14:24.22 | CygniX | I am selecting 'Expert Install' and clearly, I am not an expert |
| 14:25.20 | CygniX | OK aparently just install would do |
| 14:25.42 | themill | ah you could have skipped that step in expert mode. You don't need to do the install in expert mode to achieve what you describe |
| 14:26.33 | CygniX | yes, i just went back to the regular install |
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| 14:26.53 | CygniX | since it gives text mode which i thought only the expert mode did |
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| 14:27.26 | CygniX | now, it is prompting for root password, I swear, I didnt get this last time |
| 14:28.20 | CygniX | it also prompted for user name and password |
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| 14:29.49 | CygniX | OK, I am on the partition disk prompt. manual or guided entire disk and set encrypted lvm? |
| 14:30.21 | CygniX | I'd like the boot partition to be as small as possible, 32MB if possible |
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| 14:33.03 | Ghormoon | hi, anyone tried putting live debian on second partition of flash drive? I didn't manage to chainload it :( getting grub error 13 ... I've found it may be because it's ext4, but the solution I've found requires chrooting to it and fixing grub ... but I can't chroot to that live (no /bin/bash there) :-/ |
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| 14:33.47 | mumpitze1 | Ghormoon: /bin/sh should be there however |
| 14:34.14 | Ghormoon | there's no /bin, I think it expands it from the files somehow :) |
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| 14:34.47 | Ghormoon | most propably /live/filesystem.squashfs |
| 14:36.54 | anddam | mumpitze1: I'm seeing lot of those. Doing with wget now but I wonder why ncftp isn't fetching as expected |
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| 14:37.36 | insanity67 | hi! |
| 14:37.43 | anddam | mumpitze1: I reproduced with a wheezy server running vsftpd |
| 14:37.43 | Ghormoon | maybe I may try ext3 ... or ext2 ... it should e ok for a live I think ... or not? I choose ext4 because I don't know that much about the differences so stihking to newer=better :D (only I know that ext2 doesn't have journal) |
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| 14:38.42 | lautriv | dutchfish, *ping* |
| 14:39.36 | CygniX | whew, installing now, the setting up of the encrypted root is a boot tricky when it's your first time doing it |
| 14:40.28 | lautriv | CygniX, the use-case even stranger :P |
| 14:40.29 | Dewi | !efi |
| 14:40.30 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 14:41.28 | CygniX | I am an openSUSE user, Debian is strange land for me. |
| 14:42.02 | CygniX | openSUSE installer wont start when the RAM is only 128MB that's why I am giving Debian a test drive |
| 14:42.03 | lautriv | CygniX, you will feel the difference soon but why do you even encrypt / ? |
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| 14:42.38 | Dewi | do I need EFI to boot from a GPT disk? |
| 14:42.45 | lautriv | nope |
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| 14:42.50 | CygniX | lautriv: I think that question is phrased incorrectly |
| 14:42.59 | CygniX | it should be, why not encrypt |
| 14:43.08 | Dewi | installer is warning me "no EFI partion was found". I have RAID1+LVM. |
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| 14:43.15 | Dewi | not such if I need one? |
| 14:43.20 | Dewi | not sure |
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| 14:44.14 | dvs | Dewi: You need a special partition to hold GPT data |
| 14:44.14 | lautriv | CygniX, because it is a.) waste of resources b.) harder to fix |
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| 14:44.57 | CygniX | well, that is a matter of opinion and debate for other times |
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| 14:45.52 | lautriv | CygniX, Suse refuses because 128M is barely enought and you wuill use this thing even with additional load ? |
| 14:46.35 | CygniX | lautriv: it is a vpn only requiring openVPN |
| 14:46.45 | CygniX | 128MB is more than enough |
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| 14:47.26 | lautriv | CygniX, if that thing does nothing else vpn, one reason less to encrypt root |
| 14:47.51 | Dewi | dvs: how does it work? |
| 14:48.12 | dvs | Dewi: I'm not sure how it works I just know that you need one. |
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| 14:48.39 | jhutchins | !uefi |
| 14:48.39 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 14:48.50 | CygniX | lautriv: let's agree to disagree on the encryption necessity :) |
| 14:49.13 | lautriv | anone used to iscsi? i have problems mounting it on a machine by fstab and get "iscsiadm: Could not login all leading-login portals" |
| 14:49.20 | Dewi | dvs: how does it work with RAID, LVM though? |
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| 14:49.52 | Ghormoon | does live debian ever write to the flashdisk (need for journal)? or is there any other disadvantage if I boot it from ext2? |
| 14:49.54 | Dewi | the guide I'm reading doesn't mention it, but it does say to use LILO |
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| 14:50.13 | dvs | Dewi: I've never used LVM either. My RAID drives are 2TB so I didn't have to set it up. |
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| 14:50.54 | lautriv | will never get why people use LVM at all. |
| 14:51.01 | Dewi | lautriv: snapshots |
| 14:51.25 | lautriv | Dewi, i have automated backups on different locations. |
| 14:51.26 | Dewi | I've never used it before, but being unable to do a snapshot backup seems unfortunate |
| 14:51.36 | Dewi | lautriv: how do you make them coherent? |
| 14:51.49 | lautriv | Dewi, rsync |
| 14:52.10 | Dewi | lautriv: so processes are continuing to write during rsync? |
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| 14:52.40 | lautriv | Dewi, wrong approach, if you like that behaviour you need a distributed FS instead. |
| 14:52.53 | Dewi | if I like having non-corrupted backups? |
| 14:53.19 | lautriv | no, if you like lazyness |
| 14:53.34 | Dewi | so how do you stop processes writing to the disk during rsync? |
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| 14:54.34 | Dewi | lautriv: this has nothing to do with distributed FS, or "lazyness" |
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| 14:55.27 | lautriv | Dewi, a snapshot is lazy, beside that, people tend forget them. |
| 14:56.03 | Dewi | lazy compared to what? |
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| 14:56.50 | jarick | A snapshot gives you an atomic state of things at the moment |
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| 14:56.53 | Dewi | you haven't answered my question: how else do you ensure nothing is writing the file your rsync is reading? |
| 14:57.04 | Dewi | ( lautriv ) |
| 14:57.21 | lautriv | Dewi, most people use LVM because it is hype and they aren't able to proper plan a partitioning. i see all the time someone talking about resizing tha shitz because they don't think before do. |
| 14:57.27 | jarick | Use case (but not debian): I have a 22TB NAS behind me now. Its BCV unit is on the other side of the building |
| 14:57.39 | jarick | And I have a replica on the other side of the planet. |
| 14:57.49 | Dewi | lautriv: that has nothing to do with snapshots. You are not listening |
| 14:57.55 | jarick | I want to, at a well-defined point in time, have the same set of files on all these machines. |
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| 14:58.14 | jarick | Also, partition planning is hard. |
| 14:58.29 | Walex | lautriv: I mostly agree with you, but LVM gives snapshots and transparent moving of a partition, and for many people that is valuable. |
| 14:58.32 | jarick | I have a SAN with 65TB of disk, am considering adding another 140TB to it. |
| 14:58.39 | jarick | How am I supposed to plan partitions? |
| 14:58.46 | jarick | (And plan for dedup volume?) |
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| 14:59.02 | Dewi | lautriv: I never plan to resize this partition; I am using LVM purely to create a snapshot so that my rsync can read from a stable source |
| 14:59.07 | Walex | jarick: no, partition planning is quite easy: they are just big containers, and then you deal with subtrees, not partitions. |
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| 14:59.46 | Walex | Dewi: depending on how active the filesystem is, a stable source may not be really necessary. |
| 14:59.59 | jarick | Walex: However, operational practice and regulatory compliance doesn't permit that. For example, I need a partition for infrastructure VMs that get highly replicated. |
| 15:00.09 | Dewi | Walex: Yeah, it's probably overkill for me, which is why I haven't until now |
| 15:00.11 | jarick | But I don't know in advance how big those VMs will be. |
| 15:00.29 | Dewi | Walex: but can't think of a compelling reason not to; LVM has been around a long time |
| 15:00.30 | jarick | With a LVM-like system, I can overcommit. |
| 15:00.34 | lautriv | Dewi, since the snapshot will give you incomplete contents on any open file, it's better use a --exclude-list gathjered from lsof |
| 15:00.41 | Walex | jarick: so in your case I would create just 2-8TB "containers" and that's it. |
| 15:00.48 | Dewi | lautriv: what if it's always open? it never gets backed up? |
| 15:01.08 | lautriv | Dewi, what would that be in your case ? |
| 15:01.18 | Dewi | some kind of database usually |
| 15:01.33 | jarick | Walex: That was what the last admin did. We're at 63TB for the infra partition already. |
| 15:01.33 | Dewi | also lsof isn't continuous |
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| 15:01.38 | jarick | And growing at 2TB/mo |
| 15:01.42 | lautriv | Dewi, do you think you can just write the incomplete state back ? |
| 15:02.18 | Dewi | lautriv: a file can get opened any time during the backup, you can't catch all activity during the entire rsync by glancing as lsof |
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| 15:02.38 | Dewi | lautriv: yes, it's equivalent to a power failure but it's at least coherent |
| 15:02.40 | jarick | Right now, I can just buy another 5U brick, stick it in, and everything keeps going. |
| 15:02.40 | Walex | jarick: no, not so large partitions. I said between 2-8TB. Because that's about as big as a filetree can be without causing trouble later (e.g. fsck times). |
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| 15:03.04 | jarick | Walex: fsck? :D zfs shop here. |
| 15:03.18 | Walex | jarick: ahhhhhh arrgggghhhhh ! :-) |
| 15:03.25 | lautriv | Dewi, sane backups were done if most activity is off, hence automated. even logrotate stops services during a cut. |
| 15:03.29 | Dewi | jarick: no fsck? sounds unreliable ;) |
| 15:03.43 | jarick | There's scrubbing. |
| 15:03.48 | Ghormoon | why not use zfs snapshot instead of lvm then? (I know nothing about lvm, so maybe it has advantages :D) |
| 15:04.05 | jarick | Ghormoon: I'm not using lvm, but arguing for lvm-like systems. |
| 15:04.23 | Dewi | jarick: zfsonlinux? |
| 15:04.27 | Walex | jarick: ZFS is admirable, but it tries to be too many things, and while mostly OK, it overpromises. We'll see in the long run. |
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| 15:04.30 | jarick | (There's an underlying SAN layer that does LVM merging for volumesets on this box, and the zfs layer on top) |
| 15:04.40 | jarick | Dewi: No unfortunately. Solaris |
| 15:05.12 | Dewi | jarick: I am about to give it a go. Was using opensolaris before but as an amateur linux seems a lot easier to deal with |
| 15:05.18 | Ghormoon | anyway, I thought that zfs snapshot wouldn't have incomplete opened files, they should have the previous version, right? LVM doesn't do that? |
| 15:05.44 | jarick | Ghormoon: lvm doesn't give you that same atomic guarantee yes. |
| 15:06.02 | Walex | jarick: my overall point, that ZFS masks and I think that is a bad thing, is that storage is fundamentally about "block devices" on one end and "filetrees" on the other, and block devices should be used to manage physical storage, and filetrees to manage logical storage |
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| 15:06.07 | jarick | However, it's atomic on the file |
| 15:06.20 | Walex | jarick: people tend to use LVM to solve "logical" storage issues, like quotas, or isolating one subtree from another etc. |
| 15:06.42 | Ghormoon | too bad, luckily I have ZFS on my home NAS (well, it doesn't really matter on something like that, but just to be sure, especially raidz1 instead of raid5 since I have no UPS :D) |
| 15:06.51 | jarick | Walex: I see, but that blockdevice/filetree thing fails. Maybe we should take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 15:06.53 | lautriv | anyone on my iscsi problem ? |
| 15:06.59 | Dewi | Walex: IMO zfs shows why that approach is inferior; the two having knowledge about each-other has heaps of advantages |
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| 15:07.34 | Dewi | I'm sure it's an implementation nightmare, but the magic is nice for us users :) |
| 15:07.44 | Walex | Dewi: but that is precisely why I think ZFS is inferior: it abstractd away some issues that cannot be really abastracted away. |
| 15:08.09 | jarick | Perhaps we should take this to #debian-offtopic? |
| 15:08.12 | Dewi | Walex: I see it as less abstraction. You are proposing an abstraction (there are trees, these are byte arrays) that leaks |
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| 15:08.48 | Walex | jarick: we don't have that much traffic here, and it is vaguely ontopic... Even if not entirely Debian specific. |
| 15:09.10 | jarick | I'm moving there now, shall we leave this to support issues? |
| 15:09.42 | Ghormoon | anyway, just tried that live again on ext2 and nope, still error 13 :( |
| 15:10.00 | Walex | jarick: the #offtopic channel though tends to be used for chattting, more technical stuff. |
| 15:10.36 | Dewi | jarick: speaking of support, any idea what an EFI partition is, and how that might fit in with soft RAID? :) |
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| 15:11.08 | jarick | Dewi: It's the new intel bootloading standard. |
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| 15:11.39 | jarick | If you replicate it across to both disks and keep it in sync, it should be fine. |
| 15:11.41 | Dewi | jarick: yeah, my disks are 4k so I'm guessing I need to use it. The installer reckons it needs a special partition though |
| 15:11.44 | jcbjoe | guys i think i hosed my /dev/sda6 witch was my boot drive for /dev/sda5 witch is debian .. anyway to manually fix it before i reboot and im really stuck |
| 15:13.11 | jarick | Dewi: Eh? You can do 4k disks with non EFI systems |
| 15:13.42 | Dewi | jarick: hrm, including GPT? |
| 15:13.59 | Dewi | jarick: I am finding it really hard to figure out exactly what I need |
| 15:14.04 | jhutchins | jcbjoe: Depends on what you mean by "hosed" - that's not a specific technical term. |
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| 15:15.48 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: i was going to try another distro /dev/sda6 = boot for this debian install i removed /dev/sda6 and now im just going to stick with debian |
| 15:16.03 | jcbjoe | jhutchins: i know if i reboot i will be hosed |
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| 15:18.45 | lautriv | jcbjoe, either re-create some /boot or put it on /boot within sda5, re-run grubs installer/updater and you are done. |
| 15:21.55 | jcbjoe | wierd says idi think i have grub2 |
| 15:22.08 | jcbjoe | wow .. sorry .. i think i have grub2 |
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| 15:23.00 | lautriv | jcbjoe, since you lost /boot, you need to apt-get install --reinstall grub and running kernel anyway. |
| 15:23.01 | jcbjoe | omg i just hosed my system |
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| 15:35.10 | Walex | Dewi: your EFI/GPT/4KiB discussion mixes a few things that are quite distinct. |
| 15:35.51 | Dewi | to me it's just a dependancy chain I don't completely understand |
| 15:35.54 | Walex | Dewi: even if they are quite related. |
| 15:35.55 | Walex | Dewi: EFI is a new type of BIOS, one that most famously supports signed kernels. |
| 15:36.08 | Dewi | what I have are disks large than 2TB |
| 15:36.15 | Walex | Dewi: GPT is a new partitioning standard that allow more, larger partitions and larger disks. |
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| 15:36.41 | Walex | Dewi: 4KiB is a new physical disk format that allows disk manufacturers to squeeze more data to get larger disks. |
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| 15:37.37 | Dewi | nods |
| 15:37.38 | Walex | Dewi: You can use GPT partitioning on BIOS (not EFI) systems, you can use 4KiB sector disks with MBR partition (if they are smaller than 2TB), for example. |
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| 15:38.03 | Dewi | I'm aware of that; I'm just trying to install a small debian system at the beginning of some quite large disks, and I wanted to use RAID1 |
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| 15:38.40 | Walex | Dewi: the relatedness is that newwer systems and disks tend to have thanks to 4KiB sectors disks larger than 2TB that require GPT partitioning, and GPT partitioning is best supported by EFI. |
| 15:38.43 | Dewi | and the debian installer seems to auto-detect EFI unless I totally disable it in BIOS |
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| 15:39.09 | Dewi | but I have no idea how to partition for EFI+RAID |
| 15:39.12 | Walex | Dewi: well, yes, in case it requires signed kernels. |
| 15:39.32 | Dewi | so maybe I'm better off continuing with MBR; not sure |
| 15:39.41 | Dewi | sorry, continuing with non-EFI boot, but still using GPT |
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| 15:39.47 | Walex | Dewi: GPT and RAID are totally orthogonal topics. RAID, at least MD RAID, works on any block device. |
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| 15:40.07 | Dewi | Walex: no if part of my state is in some special EFI partition that's not inside the RAID |
| 15:41.13 | Walex | Dewi: yes, probably best bet is non-EFI boot, GPT partitioning to support the larger disks, and RAID over the GPT partitions using MD-RAID. |
| 15:41.13 | Walex | Dewi: BTW there is a relationship between GPT and 4KiB which is indirect. |
| 15:41.26 | Dewi | nods |
| 15:41.32 | Dewi | thx, that's what I'm currently trying |
| 15:42.07 | Walex | Dewi: by default until recently MBR partitions were "often" aligned to 31.5KiB boundaries, that causes trouble with 4KiB disks. GPT partitions have instead always been aligned by defaul to 1MiB boundaries. |
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| 15:42.12 | Dewi | took some googling for me to realize debian installer was probably picking up the EFI stuff from probing this BIOS, rather than just because of the large disks |
| 15:42.22 | tremon | Dewi: if you use gpt partitioning, you will always need a special partition for grub regardless of whether you use efi boot or classic bios boot |
| 15:42.52 | Dewi | tremon: this guide says to use LILO... |
| 15:43.03 | Walex | Dewi: I prefer LILO too... |
| 15:43.04 | Dewi | (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot) |
| 15:43.05 | tremon | many guides do :) |
| 15:43.23 | Dewi | well I've read "grub cannot boot off RAID" |
| 15:43.37 | Dewi | I doubt that's literally true, but I don't really want to fight with it |
| 15:43.53 | Walex | Dewi: thats not quite right indeed, but there are some subtle cases... |
| 15:44.00 | tremon | grub 2 can handle /boot on (md) raid1, not sure about other raid schemes |
| 15:44.43 | mooperd | Im getting started with openldap but am being hit with "ldap_add: Type or value exists (20)", "additional info: objectClass: value #0 provided more than once". https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6661153 |
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| 15:45.12 | mooperd | When I try and load in the data |
| 15:45.19 | Walex | Dewi: anything can handle boot off RAID1, if the RAID1 members are laid out in a layout compatible with not being RAID. |
| 15:45.39 | tremon | mooperd: you can't have multiple top objects |
| 15:46.02 | Dewi | Walex: yeah, it sounds like debian installer is likely to automatically use LILO instead of grub in this case though |
| 15:46.27 | Dewi | I will see for myself soon :P |
| 15:46.29 | Walex | Dewi: I wouldn't be surprised. GRUB and especially GRUB2 are vastly overrated. |
| 15:46.35 | mooperd | tremon: oh, so the other objects are children of the "domain" top object? |
| 15:46.54 | tremon | mooperd: yes, basically |
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| 15:50.37 | lautriv | mooperd, did you compile your own openldap or using debians package ? |
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| 15:52.55 | mooperd | tremon: I have removed all the "objectClass: top" and now see "ldap_add: Undefined attribute type (17)", "additional info: dn: attribute type undefined". |
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| 15:53.38 | mooperd | tremon: I think I am a bit confused about the data structure here :) |
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| 15:57.31 | tremon | mooperd: are your empty lines really empty (no spaces)? otherwise you're missing schema declarations, but adding schema definitions is an adventure in itself |
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| 15:58.45 | tremon | iirc, you need to connect to the ldap administrative tree and issue ldap commands there. I've never done that, as my tree was setup with static config and automatically migrated to the dynamic config |
| 15:58.53 | mooperd | tremon: I replaced the newlines and it worked! |
| 15:58.58 | tremon | good :) |
| 15:59.08 | mooperd | tremon: thanks man! |
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| 16:02.12 | jcbjoe | ok back i used os-prober and it found my gentoo install i don't want it .. im looking in grub.cfg and i see it |
| 16:02.25 | jcbjoe | can i just uncomment it out or just rm gentoo install and do os-prober again ? |
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| 16:10.39 | CygniX | hmmm, this is doesn't make sense, the installation, completes, but the system does not boot. it only gives 'grub>' |
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| 16:11.27 | CygniX | as grub is not seeing the kernel |
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| 16:13.35 | mooperd | tremon: perhaps, if your wouldn't mind you could show me how to add users to this LDAP? |
| 16:14.06 | mooperd | tremon: I think I'm a bit confused by the "dcs" |
| 16:14.23 | mooperd | tremon: ldap_add: Server is unwilling to perform (53) |
| 16:14.24 | mooperd | additional info: no global superior knowledge |
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| 16:21.01 | tremon | mooperd: that's an error I haven't seen before, but http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-software/200402/msg00430.html seems to suggest you have a typo in the dn line, are you trying to add a user outside of your designated top object? |
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| 16:22.02 | mooperd | tremon: what is the top object? How is that desegnated? |
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| 16:23.47 | Dewi | anyone know where I can find out what disk layouts are supported for RAID with >2TB disks? |
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| 16:24.16 | Dewi | (installer fails to install grub or LILO with the setup I am trying) |
| 16:24.22 | tremon | mooperd: it's what you specified earlier, the dc=,dc= object. You can have multiple trees on the same server, but you can't add objects that are outside of the trees already created |
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| 16:26.11 | tremon | Dewi: I don't think the size of the disks is important for determining raid support, but I've had more debian installs failing on the bootloader install than succeeding |
| 16:26.44 | Dewi | tremon: the size of the disks means the installer is using GPT instead of MBR |
| 16:26.50 | Dewi | (I think) |
| 16:27.23 | tremon | So far I've just resorted to booting the installer again in rescue mode, and correcting things manually. I've never been able to get the installer to do things how I want anyway |
| 16:27.24 | Dewi | I'm following a guide from the wiki, but it's from 2009 |
| 16:27.26 | mooperd | tremon: "ldapadd -x -D "cn=Manager,dc=hybridcluster,dc=in" -w x7deix7dei -f holway" |
| 16:27.34 | Dewi | so maybe the guide was written for MBR |
| 16:28.03 | tensorpudding | Is there a bot trigger to give me information on how to get newer versions of Iceweasel/Firefox installed in stable? |
| 16:28.06 | tremon | mooperd:so, paste the holway script? |
| 16:28.09 | mooperd | tremon: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b59277bd62d14533c3e4 |
| 16:28.12 | tremon | Dewi: link? |
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| 16:28.50 | tremon | mooperd: where has the dc=in gone? |
| 16:28.54 | Dewi | tremon: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
| 16:29.53 | mtn | tensorpudding: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 16:31.08 | tremon | Dewi: sigh. Seems that official guides also tend to prefer using the installer's rescue mode :( -- does the installer log (press alt-f4) give any reason why lilo fails to install? |
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| 16:31.59 | Dewi | tremon: oops, should have checked that before I rebooted |
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| 16:32.36 | tremon | Dewi: no matter, you'll probably get the same error if you try to reinstall lilo as per the guide |
| 16:32.45 | tensorpudding | mtn: Thanks, I forgot that this existed, I used it back when I migrated from Evolution to Icedove. |
| 16:32.46 | Dewi | LILO failed too |
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| 16:33.12 | mtn | tensorpudding: welcome |
| 16:33.51 | mooperd | tremon: aha, ok. starting to make more sense. |
| 16:34.13 | mooperd | tremon: ldap_add: No such object (32) |
| 16:34.14 | mooperd | matched DN: dc=hybridcluster,dc=in |
| 16:34.36 | mooperd | tremon: so I need to make sure that it slips into one of the objects. |
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| 16:35.25 | tremon | mooperd: yes, that's right. I'm guessing you have no dc=holway, so remove that part of the dn |
| 16:35.42 | mooperd | tremon: this really is horribly confusing |
| 16:35.49 | mooperd | tremon: who came up with this! |
| 16:36.07 | tremon | mooperd: yes, it is. ldap is very much a tree structure, but that isn't apparent if you work from plain config files |
| 16:37.39 | tremon | mooperd: if you think this is bad, I hope you never encounter X.501. LDAP is but a simplified component of the full osi specs |
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| 16:38.03 | mooperd | tremon: lucky that OSI died that quick and painful death |
| 16:38.20 | mooperd | tremon: painless death I mean |
| 16:38.52 | tremon | not that I disagree with you though. there are multiple graphical frontends for ldap, I'm currently trying web2ldap |
| 16:39.27 | tremon | Dewi: I'm not doubting that lilo failed, but without knowing why it failed we can't really help you further |
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| 16:41.15 | Dewi | tremon: well, I just found a more recent guide as another data point (http://kudzia.eu/b/2013/04/installation-of-debian-wheezy-on-mdadm-raid1-gpt/). Getting late now though; something to try tomorrow. And I'll remember the alt-f4 thing |
| 16:41.22 | Dewi | tremon: thanks for your help! |
| 16:41.35 | tremon | Dewi: good luck :) |
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| 16:42.20 | rhiamom | So if a Debian LiveCD won't boot, it means that trying to install Debian won't work either? |
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| 16:44.29 | C00re | tried changing the boot-order in bios? |
| 16:44.29 | mtn | rhiamom: not really. why doesn't it boot? where does it fail? |
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| 16:45.09 | rhiamom | mtn, it simply will not boot to the cd |
| 16:45.31 | rhiamom | it boots nicely to the netinst cd, and a Mint Livecd |
| 16:45.43 | rhiamom | but not the debian Livecd |
| 16:45.45 | mtn | rhiamom: not working is really not much help. |
| 16:45.57 | mtn | rhiamom: if it doesn't even start, it is probably a bad disk |
| 16:46.13 | rhiamom | also, mint installs and boots |
| 16:46.53 | rhiamom | I just burned it last night, and it verified after the burn |
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| 16:47.34 | rhiamom | just blinking cursor in the upper left, same thing a Debian installation does |
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| 16:48.03 | rhiamom | am on iMac, with EFI and GPT to deal with |
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| 16:48.57 | rhiamom | and I already followed the instructions on using rescue mode to re-install grub, which gives me the fatal error message |
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| 16:50.11 | WormFood | why is racoon in debian compiled without radius support? I'm sure there must have been a reason why that was excluded. |
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| 17:01.33 | WormFood | it is so frustrating that I'm forced to recompile racoon, just to get radius support, when it should have been in there from the beginning. It baffles me as to why whoever maintains ipsec-tools chose not to include radius support. |
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| 17:22.52 | lautriv | WormFood, same thing on openldap where the debian packages are used to gnuTSL instead openSSL |
| 17:22.57 | lautriv | *TLS |
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| 17:23.42 | WormFood | it makes me wonder sometimes |
| 17:24.18 | lautriv | on the other hand, they built usually --with-anything-you-wont-have and bloat the OS. |
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| 17:25.02 | BCMM | about to install debian on an SSD - what filesystem should i use? |
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| 17:25.45 | lautriv | BCMM, for a long live, ext2 for a fast access XFS |
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| 17:27.03 | BCMM | lautriv: was asking in case there was something that performs better by not making assumptions like "fragmentation is bad" |
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| 17:27.18 | BCMM | lautriv: how bad is a journalled FS on an SSD? |
| 17:27.36 | blochchain | what's the easiest way to set up a VPN client through the command line? |
| 17:28.34 | lautriv | BCMM, that was my reason for the answer, ext2 doesn't journal. it depends on your drive, but whatever you use it will wear out by writes so avoiding writes is always useful. |
| 17:29.03 | lautriv | blochchain, openbpn, takes 2 mitutes to go. |
| 17:29.12 | lautriv | *openbpn |
| 17:29.21 | lautriv | hates his kbd |
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| 17:29.33 | lautriv | *openvpn |
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| 17:30.44 | BCMM | lautriv: ext2 doesn't support TRIM does it? |
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| 17:30.57 | lautriv | if anyone is around used to iscsi, please ping me ;) |
| 17:31.30 | lautriv | BCMM, can't really tell you since i acoid SSD because the given issues. |
| 17:31.34 | lillian | Anyone ever use PCSX-RELOADED? I cannot get any SPU plugins to work! I placed them all into ~/.pcsx/plugins and I'm making sure to get the Linux versions. ;_; |
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| 17:32.16 | CygniX | how do i fix this? http://paste.opensuse.org/ef6b45ba |
| 17:32.24 | WormFood | BCMM, you probably want ext3/ext4, but you probably specifically want to set the block size, to be the same as your erase block size on the SSD |
| 17:32.27 | CygniX | after installation, they system is not booting |
| 17:32.53 | BCMM | WormFood: i'll go with ext4 because it supports TRIM... how on earth do i find out my SSD's block size? |
| 17:32.55 | WormFood | CygniX, are you using suse? |
| 17:33.10 | WormFood | BCMM, check the datasheets for your drive |
| 17:33.11 | CygniX | WormFood: that is virtualbox |
| 17:34.01 | WormFood | that wasn't my question |
| 17:34.34 | WormFood | unfortunately, you didn't give us enough information to go on. How did you install it? |
| 17:34.35 | CygniX | not sure how if am using openSUSE is related, but sure, I am using opensuse witt virtual box |
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| 17:35.06 | WormFood | so you're running debian inside an suse virtualbox? |
| 17:35.14 | CygniX | yes |
| 17:35.19 | WormFood | unfortunately, you didn't give us enough information to go on. How did you install it? |
| 17:35.54 | CygniX | installed debian 7 with cd 1 iso |
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| 17:36.05 | BCMM | WormFood: any other ideas? kingston's datasheet is basically an advert http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/sv300s3_us.pdf |
| 17:36.20 | CygniX | the only successful install was the one where i forgot to create root and user, lol |
| 17:36.31 | WormFood | at a glance, it would appear that the installation failed somewhere long the time. |
| 17:36.32 | CygniX | that one did boot |
| 17:36.48 | CygniX | it didnt give any fail warnings |
| 17:36.53 | BCMM | WormFood: (and searching for "kingston ssdnow 300v" "block size" just gets people talking about different read sizes they have a benchmarked) |
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| 17:37.09 | lautriv | CygniX, that was obv. no debian. |
| 17:37.18 | WormFood | I suggest you start over, or boot to a rescue cd (I personally like knoppix or the pmagic CD), and try to reinitialize grub |
| 17:37.24 | CygniX | lautriv: huh? |
| 17:38.12 | WormFood | BCMM, you can try to email their tech support and ask, but you'll probably get the same answer I did, when I asked...."that information is secret".....WTF?!?....that probably means it's a big erase block size, because if it was small, they'd be bragging about it. |
| 17:38.15 | mtn | CygniX: I don't think you can install debian without a root account or a user account. |
| 17:38.27 | CygniX | mtn: aparently you can |
| 17:38.36 | WormFood | your erase block size, I would guess, is 512k, which is probably bigger than you want your block size to be |
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| 17:38.45 | CygniX | if you do the expert mode and skip the user setup |
| 17:38.48 | BCMM | WormFood: thanks... they all relabel stuff these days right? |
| 17:38.54 | lautriv | CygniX, no you can't reason why i said it was no debian then. |
| 17:38.57 | WormFood | don't think so |
| 17:38.58 | mtn | CygniX: well, sounds like you know what you are doing. good luck. |
| 17:39.16 | CygniX | mtn: you didnt get my point |
| 17:39.26 | BCMM | WormFood: i mean, if it's a big name like "kingston", its probably made from a controller and chips made by two less well-known names, and i could try to specs from them? |
| 17:39.39 | CygniX | lautriv: I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 17:40.02 | WormFood | I have a KINGSTON SVP200S360G, and I wrote to their tech support, and asked them the erase block size, but they said it was a secret |
| 17:40.07 | lautriv | CygniX, THAT is the problem, like mtn also said. |
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| 17:40.12 | mtn | CygniX: short answer: start over and do it right |
| 17:40.20 | WormFood | it's the memory chip that has the erase block size |
| 17:40.24 | WormFood | and you could be right |
| 17:40.35 | CygniX | I have done it like 5 times |
| 17:40.38 | CygniX | same result |
| 17:40.40 | WormFood | it is possible they could have different erase sizes....but I kinda doubt it |
| 17:40.52 | WormFood | CygniX, why don't you try doing something different then |
| 17:41.22 | BCMM | WormFood: so for a given memory chip, the manufacturer must use a given erase block? if i could find out what chips they use, i could find better-documented drives that share tech |
| 17:41.51 | WormFood | you'd probably have better luck getting the memory chip numbers, and looking that up |
| 17:42.03 | WormFood | BCMM, do you understand what exactly is going on with the erase block size? |
| 17:42.14 | BCMM | WormFood: not entirely |
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| 17:42.28 | WormFood | it's the smallest block that can be erased |
| 17:42.45 | WormFood | SSD drives are not always faster, sometimes they're slower than an HDD |
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| 17:44.04 | WormFood | what happens when you write data to a block that already has data, is they need to first read the contents, modify it with your new contents, erase the block, and write it back....that read-modify-write cycle makes things slow (I'm simplifying things a bit, internally it's a little more technical) |
| 17:44.37 | CygniX | one more try, if it fails, I am giving up on the Debian experience |
| 17:44.38 | WormFood | most likely what you write back, won't be written to the same block you just read it from, as part of it's wear leveling |
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| 17:44.57 | WormFood | check your CD to make sure it isn't corrupt |
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| 17:45.04 | WormFood | or, CD image, as the case may be |
| 17:45.30 | WormFood | always installs with a network install over booting from pxe :D |
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| 17:45.37 | BCMM | WormFood: http://www.toshiba-components.com/memory/smartnand.html seems to be the chips - "page size" isn't the same thing, is it? |
| 17:46.02 | WormFood | looks |
| 17:46.23 | WormFood | that is what i'd guess |
| 17:46.46 | CygniX | the image is fine |
| 17:46.47 | WormFood | and 16k would be very good |
| 17:47.00 | BCMM | WormFood: i'm basing it on this review http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingston-ssdnow-v300-ssd-review/ which says "16 modules of Toshiba’s brand new 19nm 8GB MLC Toggle Mode NAND flash memory" |
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| 17:47.16 | WormFood | then try a different technique...try the DVD or a network install (it has a CD too, but loads everything over the internet) |
| 17:47.35 | WormFood | nice find BCMM...I didn't go looking that much |
| 17:47.37 | CygniX | I just want the minimum |
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| 17:47.59 | BCMM | WormFood: i should probably just stop caring about performance... isn't even my machine |
| 17:48.00 | WormFood | 16k might be a little bit big for a block size...the default is 4k, I think for most drives. You might want to set it to 8k |
| 17:48.04 | WormFood | hahaha |
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| 17:48.07 | WormFood | you're right |
| 17:48.16 | WormFood | not unless they're paying you top dollar for a speed demon |
| 17:48.29 | BCMM | WormFood: i guess it isn't too bad as long as it's a multiple anyway... |
| 17:48.46 | BCMM | at least a single FS block isn't going to split between SSD blocks |
| 17:49.09 | WormFood | BCMM, maybe it will...that depends on how you partition it :P |
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| 17:49.28 | BCMM | WormFood: oh god, partition offsets... |
| 17:49.43 | WormFood | so, make sure you partitions are on 16k boundaries....OR, just set it to 1meg |
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| 17:52.23 | CygniX | maybe it's not seeing the boot partition |
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| 17:53.17 | BCMM | huh, why does cfdisk create partitions that start before fdisk's minimum starting sector? |
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| 17:55.47 | CygniX | this is what I am seeing with the rescue mode http://paste.opensuse.org/14eab99f |
| 17:55.48 | lautriv | BCMM, fdisk is out of question since years, use fdisk. |
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| 17:56.08 | jelly-home | BCMM: cfdisk never got a 1MiB alignment code refresh |
| 17:56.29 | BCMM | lautriv: did you mean cfdisk the first time? |
| 17:56.44 | lautriv | BCMM, indeed |
| 17:56.45 | BCMM | jelly-home: is 1MiB alignment important on HDDs too? |
| 17:57.35 | jelly-home | no, but it's safe enough |
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| 17:58.25 | WormFood | 1 meg alignment is not important on any drive |
| 17:58.46 | WormFood | 4k alignment is important for performance on some (newer) drives |
| 17:58.57 | lautriv | BCMM, actual tools do not differ between spindles and flashes hence common defaults. |
| 17:59.35 | WormFood | BCMM, try "hdparm -I /dev/sda" or whatever your drive is, to give you technical info, like real block size (for HDDs) |
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| 17:59.49 | jelly-home | WormFood: drive firmware lies. |
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| 17:59.56 | BCMM | WormFood: isn't that data usualy lies these days on HDDs too? |
| 18:00.35 | WormFood | I have yet to see a drive lie to me about what hdparm -I returns |
| 18:01.35 | lautriv | doesn't matter if the hdd handles what it tells you. |
| 18:02.13 | WormFood | Back in the bad old days, I used an IBM hard drive controller on my computer...but my system used 256 byte sectors, and not the 512 byte sectors used on the PC...which is really the same technique the 4k sectors are doing to store 512 byte blocks of data |
| 18:02.28 | jelly-home | WormFood: the early 4KiB models did, anyway. They might be reporting correct physical sector size these days |
| 18:02.35 | WormFood | sure it matters if the drive handles what it tells you |
| 18:02.46 | CygniX | what is the smallest size /boot is allowed? |
| 18:03.09 | WormFood | CygniX, you probably don't need more than 20-30 meg, but I suggest you make it 100 meg (no less than 50) |
| 18:03.29 | CygniX | OK, had it at 64 MB |
| 18:03.30 | WormFood | jelly-home, all my drives report to me the logical size, and the physical size. |
| 18:03.36 | WormFood | that is fine |
| 18:03.56 | WormFood | Logical Sector size: 512 bytes |
| 18:03.56 | WormFood | Physical Sector size: 4096 bytes |
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| 18:04.01 | mcgreg | hi |
| 18:04.21 | jelly-home | WormFood: do you have any with firmware from 2008-2009? |
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| 18:04.43 | WormFood | yes, but they really were 512 byte sectors |
| 18:05.06 | WormFood | not all drives made today are 4k sector drives |
| 18:05.08 | mcgreg | does anyone know what tool provides a DLNA service in debian, which starts at boot-time? I know I have one running, but I dont know what it is and how I can configure it |
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| 18:05.28 | jelly-home | mcgreg: minidlna's available in debian |
| 18:05.38 | BCMM | do i have to use a recent version of debootstrap to install a recent version of debian? |
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| 18:06.13 | BCMM | my version of debootstrap is from before wheezy went stable |
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| 18:06.38 | jelly-home | BCMM: nothing stops you from using the very latest from sid |
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| 18:10.25 | mcgreg | jelly-home: thanks but in case I dont have it installed? because it seems I dont have it installed |
| 18:10.33 | BCMM | jelly-home: i'm on an old live-usb, and don't want to make a whole new one |
| 18:11.07 | BCMM | if i say debootstrap stable, will i get stable as of now, or the distro that was stable as of that debootstrap release? |
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| 18:12.59 | BCMM | what's http.debian.net? a dns roundrobbin mirror? |
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| 18:13.13 | BCMM | (mentioned on https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap) |
| 18:13.14 | WormFood | dig it and see |
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| 18:13.47 | WormFood | http.debian.net. resolves to a single IP, so it appears to be no roundrobin dns |
| 18:14.13 | jelly-home | BCMM: application-level proxy/redirector |
| 18:14.22 | BCMM | WormFood: ah, apparently it's a web server that redirects based on geoip |
| 18:14.51 | jelly-home | !hdn |
| 18:14.52 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>. |
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| 18:16.37 | BCMM | are kernel backports available, or does one have to move to testing to get a newer kernel? |
| 18:16.46 | BCMM | i'm not sure if the wireless is going to work with stable's kernel or not |
| 18:17.15 | jelly-home | mcgreg: that's the only one I know of in the distro... try doing apt-cache search dlna |
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| 18:21.28 | mcgreg | jelly-home: ok.. I've installed minidlna now, and configured it. I'll see if my TV show another source. thank you |
| 18:22.55 | jelly-home | mcgreg: that one was rather buggy when last I tried it. You might try one of those closed source alternatives like serviio |
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| 18:25.05 | arad | Guys wheezy here, firefox 24 with gstreamer enabled, cpu jumpes over 80% while watching youtube. should i go back to flash or there is a solution ? |
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| 18:26.54 | mcgreg | jelly-home: hmm although my tv detects the minidlna, it show the folder are empty ...either it is some misconiguration or it doesnt work |
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| 18:28.54 | jelly-home | mcgreg: it takes some time to scan and index the directories |
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| 18:29.39 | jelly-home | mcgreg: and by default it runs as a separate user which may not have read access to your content |
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| 18:29.58 | odsix | is there a diff between these two commands? "qemu --enable-kvm" and "kvm" |
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| 18:31.03 | BCMM | debootstrap failed to bootstrap because i wasn't running a 64-bit kernel in my install environment. what do i need to do before retrying (apart from booting the right kernel obviously)? |
| 18:31.22 | BCMM | when re-run, will it work out where it left off? if not, is there a way i can avoid re-downloading packages? |
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| 18:43.06 | Dwarf | Are there any advantages of a backported kernel? Or is it a case of "if it ain't broken don't fix it" |
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| 18:46.22 | mcgreg | jelly-home: you were right. minidlna uses its own user and so it coulnd't access the paths |
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| 18:55.19 | BCMM | just installed debian on a new partition with debootstrap. i guess i install bootloader by chrooting and running something? |
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| 18:57.45 | nl287 | BCMM: something like that ... chroot /target update-grub |
| 18:58.57 | BCMM | nl287: that installs to the MBR as well as updating config? |
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| 19:00.48 | nl287 | BCMM: update-grub do that, even can repair grub in that way |
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| 19:02.13 | lautriv | BCMM, ensure you have /proc/ /sys /dev /dev/pts /boot mounted in chroot |
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| 19:08.21 | skrator | I can't find on google how to add a shortcut to the gnome3 super key menu |
| 19:08.47 | skrator | I just downloaded firefox, but I want it to be able to access through the super key |
| 19:10.07 | Dwarf | Are there any advantages of a backported kernel? Or is it a case of "if it ain't broken don't fix it" |
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| 19:10.40 | zykotick9 | Dwarf: besides, increased hardware support (for newer hardware), probably nothing. |
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| 19:11.22 | Nomad__ | hellome, just a little question, is it better to upgrade only a few package to jessie ( apt-get install/upgrade -t jessie package name) which would include the libC, or is it better to do a full dist-upgrade to jessie ( using wheezy /wheezy-backports as base system ) |
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| 19:12.23 | nl287 | skrator: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 19:12.37 | skrator | nl287: what is the fluxbox? |
| 19:12.54 | skrator | nvm, I'll google it |
| 19:12.55 | nl287 | skrator: gnome4 |
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| 19:20.05 | mumpitze1 | Nomad__: upgrading only a few packages leads to problems down the road which will basically make you reinstall. no one here will support a frankendebian of stable and testing |
| 19:20.20 | mumpitze1 | Nomad__: either use/create backports or run jessie |
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| 19:21.31 | peterrooney | person: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search boost |
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| 19:36.14 | crose | hello, how do i prevent automatic indent for certain markups like <head>, <body> and <html> in vim ? |
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| 19:36.31 | crose | * not <html> |
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| 19:49.18 | diytto | what's the easy way for me to install the packages from my old server to my new server |
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| 19:50.36 | maxyz | diytto: dpkg --get-selections > packages and dpkg --set-selections < packages on the other server |
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| 19:50.51 | diytto | maxyz: thanks |
| 19:50.58 | diytto | is there a way to get sources as well? |
| 19:51.07 | maxyz | then apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 19:52.35 | maxyz | diytto: I not sure what you mean. For the sources.list file you can just copy it. |
| 19:53.04 | diytto | where is it at for me to copy? |
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| 19:55.03 | maxyz | The /etc/apt/sources.list (file) and /etc/apt/sources.list.d (dir) contain the packages sources from where apt can fetch the packages in your system. |
| 19:55.52 | diytto | okay awesome thanks |
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| 19:57.11 | maxyz | diytto: That's a basic question (the sources.list one), I would recommend you to read some of the apt documentation. |
| 19:57.17 | maxyz | welcome. |
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| 19:57.46 | diytto | well i never add sources, but i had to add one source. i'll look into it though :) |
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| 20:09.02 | tiron | I think I may have installed a bad package or something, booting into debian 3.2 or 3.4 from grub stops before the welcome screen (where I would normally log in) and the animated cursor just stays animated with nothing going on |
| 20:09.08 | tiron | how can I troubleshoot what's going on? |
| 20:09.15 | tiron | I can still SSH into the machine, but it's not going into the desktop |
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| 20:16.09 | maxyz | tiron: check the last few packages you installed in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:29.19 | ipso | I have a DCE2500 mainboard (used for a firewall) that only supports text mode in Linux, I can see text scroll by during the kernel boot process, but as soon as the Login prompt would normally appear the video shuts off completely. I'm assuming its trying to go in a high-res console mode or something, anyone know how I can shut that off? |
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| 20:32.16 | satche | Bonsoir |
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| 20:32.40 | Guest40408 | J'ai depuis hier matin un petit problème avec mon serveur sur lequel j'héberge mon site web |
| 20:32.59 | Guest40408 | Celui-ci n'est plus atteignable, alors que les sous-domaine, eux, le sont |
| 20:33.19 | Guest40408 | J'utilise lighttpd comme serveur web |
| 20:33.50 | Guest40408 | J'ai essayé de faire quelques tests en pensant que c'était une erreur dans les fichiers de conf, mais sans succès |
| 20:33.55 | Guest40408 | Est-ce que quelqu'un a des suggestions ? |
| 20:34.38 | mumpitze1 | !fr |
| 20:34.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 20:35.35 | Guest40408 | Oh, sorry, my bad. Thank you dpkg |
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| 20:45.36 | bzed | ipso: does pressing ctrl+alt+f1 help after the video shuts off? |
| 20:46.12 | bzed | ipso: if so, login and remove the login manager (kdm, gdm or whatever else you've installed) |
| 20:46.47 | bzed | ipso: but for a firewall ti might make sense to install it in expert mode witout selecting any task to install |
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| 20:53.38 | crumb | hey, what package is asterisk-cli contained in? |
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| 20:54.47 | crumb | nvm, it's asterisk -r :X |
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| 20:57.30 | swick | how do I bring a ubuntu package into debian? python3-lxc, to be specific. |
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| 21:02.19 | Nomad__ | mumpitze1, hehe love the term frankendebian hehe, but ok got the point:) thanks |
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| 21:05.30 | sacredchao | Hi all! |
| 21:05.48 | sacredchao | I am trying to configure my laptop with 2 drives inside to have 2 separate GRUB installations |
| 21:06.14 | sacredchao | One SSD has Debian on it (currently sda) and I have a UEFI setup with GPT instead of MBR partition |
| 21:06.35 | sacredchao | The problem is, I think when I boot Debian currently, it is using the GRUB install on the second driver (where I have Arch Linux installed) |
| 21:06.56 | sacredchao | I found in my fstab that the /boot/efi/ automount was /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sda1 on the Debian SSD, so I changed that |
| 21:07.13 | sacredchao | However, I am worried that something bad might happen when I reboot without making sure everything else is working properly |
| 21:08.46 | diytto | maxyz: you still around? |
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| 21:18.56 | lautriv | bah, the end is close :( just found /lib/discover/ which is all XML crap. |
| 21:19.55 | lautriv | dutchfish, *ping* |
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| 21:30.24 | diytto | okay so i'm trying to run dpkg --set-selections < packages and i get dpkg: warning: package not in database at line |
| 21:30.30 | diytto | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 21:34.13 | _val_ | diytto: what is packages? just curious |
| 21:34.34 | diytto | output from dpkg --get-selections > packages |
| 21:34.52 | _val_ | diytto: so you want to install them? |
| 21:34.58 | diytto | yes |
| 21:35.03 | _val_ | diytto: use a while read? |
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| 21:35.19 | diytto | what? |
| 21:35.22 | _val_ | while read -r package; do dpkg [some flags] ; done < packages |
| 21:36.20 | diytto | i will try it |
| 21:36.22 | diytto | one moment |
| 21:36.26 | _val_ | I see I forgot to include "$package" |
| 21:36.32 | _val_ | while read -r package; do dpkg [some flags] "$package"; done < packages |
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| 21:39.02 | rryoumaa | what is /etc/.java used for? |
| 21:39.21 | dutchfish | lautriv, pong |
| 21:39.36 | diytto | _val_: didn't work |
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| 21:39.40 | diytto | i got weird errors |
| 21:39.56 | _val_ | diytto: can you show me the output of that file? |
| 21:40.03 | _val_ | head packages |
| 21:40.04 | diytto | yeah hold on |
| 21:40.09 | _val_ | just a few |
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| 21:41.24 | diytto | _val_: http://paste.debian.net/44928/ |
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| 21:42.00 | _val_ | diytto: ah |
| 21:42.47 | diytto | yeah |
| 21:44.20 | _val_ | while read -r package; do dpkg [your_flags] "$package" | awk '{print $1}' ; done < file; |
| 21:44.36 | _val_ | sorry, file should be packages |
| 21:44.50 | _val_ | that's the filename you want to feed. |
| 21:45.31 | _val_ | diytto: you can use aptitude install instaed . |
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| 21:45.50 | diytto | how? |
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| 21:47.24 | _val_ | while read -r package; do aptitude install -y "$package" | awk '{print $1}' ; done < file; |
| 21:47.30 | rryoumaa | when you do aptitude reinstall, does it purge? if not, how do you get it to? |
| 21:47.35 | _val_ | diytto: easy. |
| 21:47.58 | _val_ | again .. < file. is the name of your file where you've the list of packages. |
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| 21:48.43 | diytto | still doesn't work |
| 21:49.02 | diytto | hold on |
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| 21:50.40 | deego | rryoumaa: --purge? |
| 21:50.51 | diytto | _val_: that doesn't work |
| 21:51.01 | lautriv | dutchfish, hey there ;) sorry for late answer, doing a bunch at the same time ;) i have some problems with iscsi on "certain" machines, refusing to boot or discover but i create the initramfs by the same script. any idea what i may miss ? |
| 21:51.11 | _val_ | diytto: that does't work is insufficient detail. |
| 21:51.24 | diytto | here is the output |
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| 21:52.38 | diytto | http://paste.debian.net/44930/ |
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| 21:54.12 | tiron | so I did an apt-get upgrade, and now the system boots into command line (no GNOME)... |
| 21:54.16 | tiron | sup wid thgat? |
| 21:54.28 | _val_ | diytto: I'm not sure what you are doing exactly. Can you paste the line you just issued? |
| 21:55.11 | diytto | yeah hold on |
| 21:55.31 | diytto | while read -r package; do sudo aptitude install -y "$package" | awk '{print $1}' ; done < packages; |
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| 21:56.19 | rryoumaa | deego: \--purge is not documented in the man page |
| 21:56.24 | rryoumaa | deego: --purge is not documented in the man page |
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| 21:59.16 | _val_ | diytto: let's start again. 1) awk '{print $1}' packages > packages2 2) while read -r line; do printf '%s ' "$line"; done < packages2 > packages 3) while IFS=$'\n' read -r package; do printf '%s '"$package" | awk '{print $1}' ; done < packages |
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| 22:00.30 | _val_ | diytto: on the last command just remove IFS=$'\n' |
| 22:00.35 | _val_ | it was here for testing purposes. |
| 22:00.51 | bzed | diytto: that all sounds pretty complicated |
| 22:01.09 | bzed | diytto: can you paste your input file somewhere? |
| 22:01.19 | bzed | I fail to understand what you really want to do |
| 22:01.57 | diytto | bzed: trying to reinstall the packages i have i stalled on my old server to my new server |
| 22:02.20 | bzed | diytto: and what kind of list do you have? dpkg -l output? |
| 22:02.30 | diytto | dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:02.30 | dpkg | diytto: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:02.54 | diytto | _val_: i did your steps |
| 22:02.57 | _val_ | diytto: if you follow those steps it will work. I bet there are debian tools to dump installed packages and reinstall them from a file . |
| 22:03.04 | bzed | diytto: dpkg --set-selections < packages; apt-get -f install |
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| 22:04.25 | bzed | diytto: or, the other way: apt-get install `awk '{print $1}' < packages` |
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| 22:06.32 | _val_ | hmm that won't work. The packages should be space separated on one file. |
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| 22:07.38 | bzed | _val_: for what reason? |
| 22:07.45 | bzed | _val_: give ti a try, it will work |
| 22:07.57 | diytto | bzed: i will give you output |
| 22:08.31 | _val_ | bzed: apt-get install accepts packages to be passed with space seperated as delimiter |
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| 22:08.57 | _val_ | if you pass the first column that way, I guess that won't work hence I used printf '%s ' |
| 22:08.58 | bzed | _val_: and what does ` command ` do? |
| 22:09.14 | bzed | _val_: run echo `echo foo; echo bar` |
| 22:09.35 | bzed | _val_: and compare it with the output of echo foo; echo bar |
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| 22:09.54 | _val_ | bzed: sorry I don't follow |
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| 22:10.15 | bzed | _val_: open a shell and enter this: echo `echo foo; echo bar` |
| 22:11.19 | _val_ | bzed: that is one line. |
| 22:11.31 | bzed | _val_: and now run echo foo; echo bar |
| 22:11.38 | _val_ | bzed: printf '%s ' foo bar vs printf '%s\n' foo bar |
| 22:11.46 | diytto | i am lost |
| 22:12.01 | diytto | i just need a way to install the packages from my old server |
| 22:12.17 | bzed | _val_: yes thats all fine. you still don't understand what ` ` does :) |
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| 22:12.30 | bzed | diytto: apt-get install `awk '{print $1}' < packages` |
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| 22:12.40 | bzed | diytto: which output does that give? |
| 22:12.50 | _val_ | bzed: that are backticks. which are deprecated in bash at least |
| 22:12.57 | bzed | diytto: (assuming that 'packages' is the output of dpkg --get-selections) |
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| 22:13.19 | Pizza1990 | hi all, does anyone know if it's possible building wine 1.72 on debian testing? |
| 22:13.20 | bzed | _val_: OMG then use sh. or $( ) |
| 22:14.02 | diytto | bzed: wow that actually works |
| 22:14.07 | bzed | diytto: I know. |
| 22:14.16 | diytto | finally god damn |
| 22:14.17 | diytto | thanks |
| 22:14.21 | bzed | you are welcome :) |
| 22:14.55 | _val_ | bzed: exatly $() instead. |
| 22:14.57 | bzed | _val_: man bash, look for Command Substitution |
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| 22:17.23 | bzed | _val_: and then read 'Word Splitting' |
| 22:17.59 | _val_ | bzed: I've done so long ago. |
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| 22:18.21 | _val_ | touch "file name" != touch file name |
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| 22:19.02 | _val_ | Word splitting is preserved when quotes are used. So nothing fancy in there actually. |
| 22:19.17 | bzed | _val_: and where did I use quotes? |
| 22:19.19 | BCMM | just installed a new debian box with lxde (via tasksel) - can't run synaptic from the menu, running from the shell indicates that root can't access the x session |
| 22:19.20 | _val_ | set -- foo bar baz ; printf "$@" |
| 22:19.29 | BCMM | xhost + fixes it; how do i fix it persistently? |
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| 22:19.41 | bzed | _val_: you are thingking way to complicated. |
| 22:19.53 | bzed | BCMM: use sudo |
| 22:20.27 | BCMM | bzed: what? |
| 22:20.27 | bzed | BCMM: or gksu, ksudo or however the favourite way of your desktop environment to run sudo is called |
| 22:20.51 | BCMM | bzed: uh, i'm already running synaptic as root. the problem is that root can't connect to the X session |
| 22:21.17 | bzed | BCMM: you should no allow ecerybody to access your xsession, thats why you don't want to use xhost |
| 22:21.27 | BCMM | bzed: if i run synaptic-pkexec from the terminal, it asks me for a password, then says "gtk-warning: can't open display" |
| 22:21.32 | bzed | BCMM: start synaptic with sudo or your windowmanager-like way |
| 22:21.40 | BCMM | bzed: sudo synaptic has the same error |
| 22:21.45 | BCMM | because synaptic runs as root |
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| 22:21.50 | BCMM | and root can't access the X server |
| 22:22.18 | dutchfish | lautriv, sorry for the delay, i am working on other stuff. Maybe we catch tommorrow and have a look at your script and configs. Untill then. |
| 22:22.33 | BCMM | bzed: i'm lookn |
| 22:22.36 | BCMM | sorry |
| 22:22.54 | bzed | BCMM: gksu for example |
| 22:22.54 | BCMM | i'm looking for the "correct" way to make it possible for root to access the X session, so i can run synaptic |
| 22:23.10 | BCMM | bzed: same error. |
| 22:23.17 | BCMM | because that's just another way of starting a program as root |
| 22:23.26 | bzed | BCMM: and sudo actualyl should keep your environment happy enough to let root use your users xauth... |
| 22:23.27 | BCMM | and root is currently unable to access the X session |
| 22:24.06 | bzed | BCMM: no, its not. sudo is able to keep your enviroment inteact, which points to the proper x Xauthority file |
| 22:24.31 | BCMM | i'll restart in case this particular X instance is screwy |
| 22:25.17 | BCMM | bzed: huh, restart fixed it |
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| 22:25.34 | bzed | _val_: you are confused about the difference between echo "$(echo foo; echo bar)" and echo $(echo foo; echo bar) |
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| 22:28.45 | BCMM | i'm using lightdm, and at startup, i seem to have to log in twice |
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| 22:29.11 | BCMM | as in, first time i login, i see a VT with blinking cursor for half a second, then back to the lightdm prompt, second time works normally |
| 22:29.17 | BCMM | anybody met this before/know a fix? |
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| 22:43.46 | MariusKarthaus | php-xcache and php-apc are, according to apt, mutualy exclusive packages. However this is not true if you use php-fpm which can set up a different set of modules per site. How do I best force apt to install both (in a way that the next time one is upgraded it does not start removing the other) |
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| 22:44.40 | crumb | what package contains the asterisk headers |
| 22:45.10 | mank319 | Hey there :-) |
| 22:45.29 | obake | Can someone point me in the direction of a doc that explains how to go from wheezy to testing. I've been googling and cant seem to find anything on the debian docs |
| 22:45.41 | mank319 | would you recommend using stable in general and then adding few packages from testing? |
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| 22:46.15 | obake | Idk I installed stable two days ago and its really boring. I want something to break so I can learn to fix it lol |
| 22:46.17 | themill | mank319: no. That's about the craziest thing you can do. Use backports.debian.org instead of packages from testing |
| 22:46.23 | mtn | obake: change wheezy to jessie in sources.list. then dist-upgrade. |
| 22:46.29 | obake | Bud I didn't even know you could cross packages like that |
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| 22:46.35 | mank319 | well and if backports don't contain the software I'm looking for? |
| 22:46.39 | obake | mtn thanks |
| 22:46.49 | obake | irc noob, how do i make it bold to you |
| 22:46.49 | peterrooney | obake: if you're having trouble doing that, you're going to have even more trouble once you get there. |
| 22:46.50 | mank319 | thanks themill btw. I expected something like this xD |
| 22:46.50 | themill | obake: consider it as being a test of whether you know enough about debian and can find your own information |
| 22:47.02 | themill | mank319: you can make your own backports; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 22:47.27 | obake | should I change the non-free ones also |
| 22:47.34 | mank319 | all right :-) |
| 22:48.12 | mank319 | Coming from Ubuntu, I still have to get used to the debian release cycle and package politics |
| 22:48.15 | themill | MariusKarthaus: lots of php stuff isn't quite set up for fpm yet. There's no way of forcing this other than to change the packages themselves: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 22:48.19 | mank319 | is sorry for that :P |
| 22:48.29 | _val_ | bzed: Do you think that is the work of command substitution in there? e.g printf '%s ' $(awk '{print $1}' packages) will still return the output with an \n as delimiter. So will echo $(awk ...) return the same result. It is how the apt-get or aptitude command treats the file. Don't you agree? |
| 22:48.46 | themill | mank319: you shouldn't be mixing packages from different releases of ubuntu either |
| 22:48.48 | _val_ | err. no \n in there. |
| 22:48.54 | mank319 | no |
| 22:48.59 | MariusKarthaus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.00 | mank319 | I was not going to do that :D |
| 22:49.07 | Stygia | Does anyone here use ruby with rubygems-integration? It seems like installing rubygems-integration does not get rails to awknowledge that I have certain gems installed with apt, f.x ruby-sqlite3. Does this work with ruby2.0/rails3? |
| 22:49.19 | mank319 | I just mentioned, that this is where i came from, which is why I am not used to the debian way |
| 22:49.27 | mank319 | I read about it, but I have no experience yet |
| 22:49.30 | mank319 | ;-) |
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| 22:50.18 | MariusKarthaus | themill: ok thank you |
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| 22:51.35 | themill | MariusKarthaus: that said, you might like to look at #643775 |
| 22:51.45 | themill | and #614685 |
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| 22:52.16 | themill | (I assume the configuration you plan to use can work around that?) |
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| 22:54.02 | thecomedian | hello, I can see 4 partitions if I run gdisk /dev/sda but I don't have any /dev/sda1... /dev/sda4. Any help is rally appreciated |
| 22:54.35 | Malinux | what partitions do you have then? |
| 22:54.53 | thecomedian | I'm trying to simulate a recovery of a raid 1 disk connecting it to a gnu linux pc and trying to access to the files |
| 22:55.14 | thecomedian | gdisk shows me 4 partition FD00 |
| 22:55.29 | thecomedian | that is Linux RAID |
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| 22:56.43 | MariusKarthaus | themill, yes that bug is exactly what I'm dealing with. The assumption that "cannot run in the same context" means "cannot exist on the same server" is wrong in this case. It is perfectly possible to tell php to load certain modules for site X and not for site Y. |
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| 22:57.05 | thecomedian | the is I'm using comes from a Seagate BlackArmor 400 NAS |
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| 22:58.01 | thecomedian | also ls /dev/md gives no results |
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| 22:58.56 | thecomedian | I was thinking that the kernel I'm using doesn't support EFI GUID Partition |
| 22:59.00 | thecomedian | but how can I check? |
| 22:59.23 | thecomedian | dmesg shows: sda: unknown partition table |
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| 23:01.07 | thecomedian | I should check if CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION is enabled in the kernel right? |
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| 23:03.01 | Marvin-RPi | So it's a GPT formatted drive? |
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| 23:04.29 | thecomedian | I think so |
| 23:04.47 | thecomedian | gpt is the parition table |
| 23:04.57 | thecomedian | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION says =y |
| 23:05.03 | thecomedian | so efi is enabled |
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| 23:05.52 | Marvin-RPi | have you tried lsusb -t |
| 23:06.09 | Marvin-RPi | is the drive recognized at all? |
| 23:07.02 | stmiller | Is there a mailing list for mozilla.debian.net peeps? I'm curious of the status of Iceweasel 24.0 |
| 23:07.11 | thecomedian | I think it's recognized: Port 2: Dev 6, If 0, Class=stor., Driver=usb-storage, 480M |
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| 23:09.17 | obake | Okay so I am in the process of replacing all the wheezy with jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list There is a line that read #wheezy updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
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| 23:09.24 | obake | I changed wheezy to jessie |
| 23:09.29 | obake | Do I need to change volatile to anything |
| 23:09.44 | Marvin-RPi | hold on thecomedian, searching |
| 23:10.08 | EmleyMoor | obake: That's a comment - it doesn't actually matter |
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| 23:11.17 | solarizedsky | hi 2 all |
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| 23:11.49 | Marvin-RPi | have you tried reading the partitions on the HDD using parted -l ? |
| 23:11.56 | jhutchins | obake: No, there are no volitile updates or backports, you're dealing with the raw updates to begin with. There are also no security updates, so you can remove those. |
| 23:12.37 | thecomedian | parted -l says: Error: Invalid argument during seek for read on /dev/sda |
| 23:12.48 | thecomedian | only gdisk shows the partitions |
| 23:13.42 | Marvin-RPi | parted should see the partitions, I know fdisk doesn't support GPT |
| 23:14.40 | Marvin-RPi | You installed the HDD from the NAS into an extarnal USB-housing? |
| 23:14.57 | thecomedian | Marvin-RPi: yes, external usb-housing |
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| 23:15.46 | diytto | how do i reinstall a package? |
| 23:16.00 | Marvin-RPi | I have a strong feeling the USB SATA-controller you're using can't cope with the partition table and format of your drive |
| 23:16.03 | obake | lol at me, i should have realized it was a comment |
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| 23:16.40 | Marvin-RPi | apt-get reinstall [package] |
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| 23:17.00 | jhutchins | diytto: aptitude reinstall <package> |
| 23:17.14 | diytto | thanks |
| 23:17.17 | thecomedian | Marvin-RPi: ok, tomorrow I'll try to connect the drive directly to a sata cable of a pc |
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| 23:17.52 | solarizedsky | tell me pls a good black-shadowly gtk-3 theme from repo. |
| 23:18.03 | Marvin-RPi | on what machine and linux distro you have connected the drive now? |
| 23:18.05 | jhutchins | thecomedian: Controllers never see partition tables. They see cylinders, sectors, and heads. |
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| 23:18.44 | thecomedian | jhutchins: so it can't be the usb hardware? |
| 23:19.06 | jhutchins | thecomedian: No, not in itself. |
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| 23:19.19 | jhutchins | usb just sees streams. |
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| 23:19.50 | jhutchins | So you have an sata adapter plugged into a USB port? |
| 23:20.20 | thecomedian | yes |
| 23:20.38 | jhutchins | thecomedian: How many drives in the RAID? |
| 23:20.51 | Marvin-RPi | 2 he said |
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| 23:20.59 | thecomedian | 1 volume of 2 drives in raid-1 |
| 23:22.39 | jhutchins | thecomedian: Actually, we may be dealing with a hardware issue here, the controller may not be capable of dealing with a raid member. Theoretically you can read a single drive from the pair, but you might still need a raid capable conroller to understand it. |
| 23:23.15 | jhutchins | Theoretically software raid can use any controller/disk combination... |
| 23:23.19 | Marvin-RPi | that's what I meant |
| 23:23.24 | crumb | what package do i need to resolve this.. /usr/include/features.h:323:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:23.50 | thecomedian | jhutchins, Marvin-RPi the drive comes from a Seagate NAS |
| 23:23.58 | Marvin-RPi | sorry for the incomplte info on my part |
| 23:24.26 | obake | if it update alot of the repos but this happened. |
| 23:24.31 | obake | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
| 23:24.33 | obake | should i not continue with the upgrade |
| 23:24.37 | obake | on the distro |
| 23:25.01 | Marvin-RPi | and your NAS is broken thecomedian? |
| 23:25.15 | EmleyMoor | obake: That's not a problem - don't think jessie-updates exists yet anyway... |
| 23:25.32 | obake | ok cool, should I hook up via ethernet or should i be okay |
| 23:25.40 | thecomedian | Marvin-RPi: no, I wanted to see if I was able to recover the data if something breaks :) |
| 23:25.43 | obake | literally my third day on linux. I'm new. lol |
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| 23:26.29 | Marvin-RPi | oooooh..... a sigh of relief then. I thought you'd lost it, along with the data |
| 23:26.35 | thecomedian | :D |
| 23:27.19 | thecomedian | this is my first raid configuration, so I want to be sure I know how to recover data. I want to sleep at night without having nightmares :) |
| 23:28.03 | Marvin-RPi | but like jhutchins says, putting RAID drives from one to another RAID controller won't work |
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| 23:29.29 | Marvin-RPi | but that's what RAID 1 is for. one drive dead, replace broken drive and presto... I'd google the interchangeability in you particular RAID-controller. |
| 23:29.35 | Marvin-RPi | You make me wonder as well |
| 23:29.51 | jhutchins | thecomedian: Yeah, doing some research suggests you can't expect to mount it as a normal drive. The NAS probably has a dedicated RAID controller and you need to match that controller to read the drive. |
| 23:30.04 | thecomedian | ah |
| 23:30.09 | thecomedian | I don't like that |
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| 23:30.12 | Marvin-RPi | I have a Synology NAS with RAID 1 |
| 23:30.37 | jhutchins | What you do is you replace the failed drive with a new one IN THE SAME SYSTEM - the NAS, or at least the same controller. |
| 23:30.42 | thecomedian | I just have to rely on my Seagate |
| 23:30.56 | thecomedian | but if the Seagate breaks? |
| 23:30.59 | jhutchins | The controller then re-creates the mirror. |
| 23:31.30 | thecomedian | not the drive, but the seagate hardware |
| 23:31.33 | jhutchins | This is why RAID is an uptime solution, not a data-loss solution. If the controller fails you are hosed. |
| 23:31.44 | jhutchins | Myself, I've seen as many failed controllers as failed diskc. |
| 23:31.50 | jhutchins | disks even. |
| 23:32.11 | thecomedian | you mean 50% 50%? |
| 23:32.12 | jhutchins | RAID also adds the controller as an additional point of failure. |
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| 23:32.18 | Marvin-RPi | no hardware is fail-safe |
| 23:32.50 | jhutchins | thecomedian: Until recently it was more controllers than discs, but we have 250 servers with RAID5 on each, so I've seen disks fail now. |
| 23:33.07 | jhutchins | This is since ~1995. |
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| 23:33.21 | thecomedian | yep! that's why I was trying to mount the drive without the seagate hardware |
| 23:33.53 | jhutchins | It seems like that would work, but I guess it's only if you're using the same kind of controller. THe Seagate will have a special dedicated controller. |
| 23:33.53 | thecomedian | if the seagate hardware fails I should buy the same hardware? |
| 23:34.05 | thecomedian | yeah I understand |
| 23:34.09 | Marvin-RPi | I suggest something simple. Add a sync cronjob on your NAS to sync your most precious data onto a 3rd external driv |
| 23:34.10 | jhutchins | thecomedian: You might be able to replace just the controller. |
| 23:34.19 | thecomedian | ah ok |
| 23:34.20 | pipeep | So I'm trying to package something using debhelper. It uses texinfo, and there's a source *.texi file, but the developer also included a compile *.info file. When the compilation happens, the *.info file gets rebuilt, but slightly differently, as some of makeinfo's behavior has changed slightly. This of course causes dpkg-buildpackage to freak out on subsequent builds because the file has changed. I can run it with the `-b` argument |
| 23:34.20 | pipeep | to bypass those checks, but that's not really a solution. What should I do here? |
| 23:34.22 | jhutchins | Marvin-RPi: backups ftw. |
| 23:35.05 | thecomedian | jhutchins, Marvin-RPi I'll send an email to Seagate on this :) |
| 23:35.24 | thecomedian | and I'll just start using the NAS |
| 23:35.26 | pipeep | I'd patch it so that automake doesn't rebuild that file, but I also have to patch the source *.texi to make it compliant, so I do need it to be rebuilt. |
| 23:35.41 | Marvin-RPi | well good luck thecomedian, hope you didn't break the RAID-drive in the process ;-) |
| 23:36.06 | Marvin-RPi | i'm going horizontal.. bb |
| 23:36.10 | pipeep | Should I directly patch the built *.info, and disable recompilation of the *.texi in automake? That feels kinda hackish to me. |
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| 23:36.55 | thecomedian | Marvin-RPi: just turning on the NAS now, all seems green :) but I'll just recreate the two raid-1 drives... you never know... :) |
| 23:37.01 | thecomedian | thanks Marvin-RPi and jhutchins!! |
| 23:37.29 | Marvin-RPi | recreate? |
| 23:38.08 | nl287 | is it true that truecrypt is trojan? |
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| 23:38.48 | module000 | nl287: no, it is not. |
| 23:38.54 | kernel_noob | i would like to write a simple kernel module. anyone have a guide for writing and loading hello_world.c on debian? |
| 23:39.19 | Marvin-RPi | I think that won't be nessecary if it sees it in the NAS's software, whatever Seagate uses for managing NAS hardware |
| 23:39.28 | module000 | kernel_noob: google is your friend: http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html |
| 23:39.36 | kernel_noob | somethign that "just worked" would be nice. i have all the docs laid out, i just came here, because i use debian, and i know you guys know way more than the average crowd |
| 23:39.39 | module000 | kernel_noob: wrong paste: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.4/html/c147.htm |
| 23:39.54 | module000 | kernel_noob: that takes you through the printk 'hello world' of module development |
| 23:40.18 | module000 | kernel_noob: make sure you do it in a VM also. writing kernel modules is the fastest way to system lockups ever as you debug :) |
| 23:40.22 | mank319 | having just set up a fresh wheezy installation is there anything that would speak against changing wheezy to "testing" in apt sources list as opposed to installing a fresh jessy installation? |
| 23:40.37 | kernel_noob | module000: i see right. thank you |
| 23:40.50 | kernel_noob | s/see/see,/ |
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| 23:47.38 | crumb | what package do i need to resolve this.. /usr/include/features.h:323:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory |
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| 23:53.28 | unclezipper | I'm thinking about getting a GT610 graphics card... can anybody here speak about the driver support from experience? |
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| 23:55.30 | unclezipper | crumb: What are you trying to compile? |
| 23:56.23 | zophy | crumb, libc6-dev |
| 23:57.18 | crumb | asterisk |
| 23:58.06 | crumb | actually, a codec for asterisk |
| 23:58.34 | zophy | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=predefs.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 23:58.43 | crumb | zophy: libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 23:59.10 | zophy | wait... bits/ |
| 23:59.14 | zophy | hmm |
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| 23:59.36 | zophy | yes, that should be it |