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| 00:00.23 | jordanm | ddddd, did that command fail? |
| 00:00.32 | ddddd | no |
| 00:00.56 | zykotick9 | ddddd: sidenote, you only need "apt-get purge foo" or "aptitude purge foo" these days... |
| 00:01.10 | jordanm | ,file init.d/apache2 |
| 00:01.16 | judd | Search for init.d/apache2 in wheezy/i386: apache2.2-common: etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 00:01.32 | jordanm | ddddd, remove apache2.2-common |
| 00:01.33 | ddddd | ok thanks |
| 00:01.47 | ddddd | I Will try those things thanks |
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| 00:06.36 | diytto | do you guys have any idea how i could slowly give more ram to a program? |
| 00:07.02 | diytto | my server has dynamic ram and needs to be ramped up to full capacity |
| 00:07.24 | jordanm | diytto, a program will be given as much ram as it requests |
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| 00:07.38 | diytto | yeah this is my problem :( |
| 00:07.57 | jordanm | it's not a problem |
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| 00:08.19 | diytto | i run a minecraft server and it requires a lot of initial ram which doesn't work well with the memory setup of the vps |
| 00:09.03 | jordanm | so your question is really "how can i increase the heap size of a running JVM" |
| 00:09.44 | jordanm | I am going to guess that you can't |
| 00:09.55 | diytto | i have it running Xms512MB Xmx2048MB |
| 00:10.05 | diytto | idk |
| 00:10.14 | diytto | i'm not really sure what iw ant to do right now |
| 00:10.29 | jordanm | diytto, those options are for the allocated heap size of the JVM |
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| 00:10.38 | diytto | i know |
| 00:10.42 | jordanm | diytto, min and max |
| 00:11.31 | colin3 | quit |
| 00:11.37 | diytto | it would be awesome if i could login to my server :l |
| 00:12.08 | diytto | it responds to ping but i can't connect to it via web or ssh |
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| 00:15.24 | Benkinooby | hi, is fluxbox lighter than e17? (both standard config - i have super, super slow internet, so i can't download and test) |
| 00:15.53 | zykotick9 | Benkinooby: it is. |
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| 00:16.48 | Benkinooby | zykotick9: thank you. |
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| 00:19.13 | kruug | I'm trying to get Steam running on 64-bit Jessie/Sid, but it says I am missing libGL.so.1. I have the current version of libgl1-nvidia-glx installed, according to apt. Am I supposed to enable it first or something? |
| 00:19.29 | kruug | oh, wait... |
| 00:19.42 | kruug | I need to install the 32-bit version. Let me try that first |
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| 00:26.33 | kruug | yep, that was it...Thanks guys! |
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| 00:27.57 | valer__ | hey, i just installed znc, configured znc webadmin too, but it's resetting the http connection when i connect to it. I did a strace to see if it actually reads anything on the socket but besides doing select() in a loop with timeout, it doesn't seem to handle any http. has anybody had some experience with it? |
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| 00:28.36 | TriJetScud | valer__, did you run a netstat to see if it's listening in the first place? |
| 00:28.56 | valer__ | TriJetScud: yes, did that.. bound to 8888 port as I set in the conf |
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| 00:29.24 | TriJetScud | check iptables then |
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| 00:29.57 | valer__ | TriJetScud: no issue with iptables, it's running locally |
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| 00:30.29 | valer__ | TriJetScud: it's so weird. i'm not sure weather to http or irc to that port |
| 00:30.40 | valer__ | TriJetScud: neither works |
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| 00:39.32 | eb0t | hi guys i have 2 machines...running debian. wheezy and i want to transfer files between them over the network ...what shouuld i use |
| 00:39.58 | eb0t | so far i have managed to get both machines to ping each other |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | sshfs |
| 00:40.42 | eb0t | thanks abrotman...is that both a client and a server if i download it |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | it has docs |
| 00:41.10 | eb0t | ok thank you very much ...ill read up on it |
| 00:41.45 | valer__ | eb0t: sshfs is the way to go if you want to mount a remote volume |
| 00:42.04 | valer__ | eb0t: if you just want to copy a bunch of files, don't bother, just use scp |
| 00:42.52 | eb0t | ah ill look into both ..as i probably want to do both ..thanks valer__ |
| 00:43.38 | valer__ | eb0t: sshfs is for permanent access, scp would do to do a quick transfer |
| 00:44.11 | eb0t | ah i see...i maybe want to do it once a day |
| 00:44.28 | eb0t | so maybe scp would be ideal |
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| 00:44.44 | valer__ | eb0t: once a day, you could use cron to set a task to run daily and do the scp for you |
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| 00:45.59 | eb0t | er....im learning bash...i came across the name cron somewhere too...so that is also definitely worth a look |
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| 00:47.05 | valer__ | eb0t: keep it up, it's lovely |
| 00:47.32 | eb0t | thanks valer__ im just glad there are people guiding me into the interesting stuff |
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| 01:36.18 | relipse | in shared hosting, what chmod for files and directories do i use to protect all my files from other users in the system? |
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| 01:37.27 | abrotman | shared hosting like a VPS? |
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| 01:47.25 | Hundred | which is a better more practical desktop distro, Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 01:48.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Hundred about why debian |
| 01:48.58 | Hundred | is it true that debian doesn't even automount read/write a usb hdd when you plug it in? |
| 01:49.58 | themill | the depends what you install. If you install gnome or kde it does |
| 01:50.53 | Hundred | is there an app that fixes this on debian when using LXDE or XFCE? |
| 01:51.04 | themill | probably |
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| 01:51.15 | Hundred | do you know the name? thanks |
| 01:51.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Hundred about search |
| 01:51.52 | Hundred | themill, btw there is a spelling error in the dpkg "As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debia" |
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| 01:52.13 | abrotman | it's fine here |
| 01:52.16 | themill | Hundred: actually, that's a problem with the irc protocol |
| 01:52.32 | Hundred | it says #debia not #debian |
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| 01:52.47 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
| 01:53.01 | themill | Hundred: if you or I had a shorter nick it wouldn't |
| 01:53.17 | themill | edits the factoid to prevent that |
| 01:53.40 | abrotman | boo! |
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| 01:55.24 | Axlin | Hundred: Thunar file manager can automount. |
| 01:56.01 | Hundred | does it auto mount write permissions too? |
| 01:57.39 | Axlin | It should work. Handles my drives well. |
| 01:57.54 | Hundred | i'm deciding between Debian, which some say isn't as user friendly as a Desktop, and Trisquel (Ubuntu based) which is endorsed by the Free Software Foundation but has more restrictions than Debian |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | so try them both |
| 01:58.32 | Hundred | i'm actually using Trisquel right now, its pretty good |
| 01:58.58 | Axlin | Just be sure you have thunar-volman installed for automounting. |
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| 02:42.18 | ket_ | i have a package X installed which suggests/recommends package Y, but i did not install Y. the |
| 02:42.25 | ket_ | ignore |
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| 02:52.47 | ket_ | question: how to remove dependencies of packages that are no longer installed? i tried "apt-get autoremove" but that did not remove dependencies that were also recommended/suggested by other packages (even though no other package depends on them anymore). in other words, i had a package X installed that suggests/recommends a package Y, but i did not install Y. then i installed Z the depended on Y. later i removed Z and also did autoremove, but Y is still install |
| 02:52.47 | ket_ | on the box, because it is recommended by X. |
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| 03:06.09 | Axlin | ket_: deborphan and debfoster might help you get rid of some of that accumulated cruft, but use with care. |
| 03:06.47 | z8z | Hi, how to migrate old stored network configs from xubuntu to debian network manager? |
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| 03:19.02 | ket_ | Axlin: thanks i'll check out deborphan |
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| 03:24.30 | peterrooney | married deborphan willingly. |
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| 03:34.56 | relipse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:42.26 | lns | hi all |
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| 03:43.12 | Roenie | ah there you are |
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| 03:44.57 | lev_ | Hey everyone |
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| 03:46.47 | lev_ | Has anyone had any luck installing MonetDB (Column Oriented Database System) in debian stable or testing? -- the doucmentation points only to squeeze and lenny |
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| 04:05.04 | z8z | I repea the question in case went too far: how to migrate old stored network configs from xubuntu to debian network manager? |
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| 05:20.30 | Dewi | how would I install task standard (or priority standard) without exim? |
| 05:21.23 | jelly-home | Dewi: install some other MTA, or use --without-recommends carefully |
| 05:21.52 | Dewi | jelly-home: that's what I thought, but it seems that exim itself is priority standard now? |
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| 05:23.04 | Dewi | so tasksel removes other MTAs |
| 05:23.46 | jelly-home | Dewi: oh well. Install whatever you need, and replace the MTA afterwards |
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| 05:33.25 | themill | Dewi: the standard task just selects things by priority -- it's the equivalent of "aptitude -s install ~pimportant ~prequired ~pstandard" If you tell aptitude not to install exim-related packages on that same command then you should be fine. adding "~nexim4:" should be enough or you might have to list the packages separately with a : to put them on temporary hold |
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| 05:40.18 | Dewi | themill: I see. thanks. |
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| 05:56.49 | daveee123 | looking for a small usb image, and getting redirected here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 05:56.56 | daveee123 | what am i supposed to download from there? |
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| 05:59.40 | themill | daveee123: you want the netinstall image not pxe images |
| 06:00.05 | themill | (if you started off at www.debian.org you'd get the installer image very easily... no idea how you got there) |
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| 06:02.38 | daveee123 | themill: easily |
| 06:02.43 | daveee123 | themill: i chose getting debian |
| 06:03.06 | daveee123 | themill: then small installation images, then i386 under tiny cd's usb's |
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| 06:04.43 | themill | daveee123: ahh -- the links to CD ISO images that were on that page (and the pages leading up to it, in fact) are what you probably really want. |
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| 06:05.14 | themill | daveee123: I assume you really want to just throw an image on a usb stick and have it work -- you don't want to spend lots of time making your own customised image |
| 06:05.16 | daveee123 | themill: can i put an .iso on a usb? |
| 06:05.21 | themill | yes |
| 06:05.23 | daveee123 | themill: correct |
| 06:05.40 | daveee123 | themill: how do i do that? the same way i would a .img? |
| 06:05.42 | themill | !usb install |
| 06:05.43 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 06:06.14 | themill | daveee123: nfc what format a ".img" actually is (it's a fairly generic extension used by a lot of different CD authoring tools and there's no standard to it that I know of) |
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| 06:07.07 | daveee123 | themill: awesome. thanks |
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| 06:40.03 | tiron | hey there fellas, I recently did an apt-get upgrade, and now the box boots into command line (no desktop), anyone got a clue where to start? |
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| 06:41.45 | bezaban | tiron: propietary graphics drivers (if you have them) would be a good place to check, especially if your kernel was just upgraded |
| 06:42.51 | tiron | bezaban: sshing in nvidia-settings throws a "ERROR: the control display is undefined; |
| 06:43.03 | tiron | so a graphics mishap may be at hand here |
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| 06:44.05 | bezaban | yeah, sounds like it. have you installed the drivers from the |
| 06:44.08 | bezaban | bha |
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| 06:44.16 | bezaban | nvidia site, or debian repo |
| 06:44.44 | tiron | bezaban: previously, (yesterday when it was actually booting into desktop) I believe the drivers were off the debian repo |
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| 07:35.18 | Benkinooby | hi, what's the best way to change my package mirror? manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 07:39.39 | Dewi | Benkinooby: as far as I am aware yes |
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| 07:39.49 | Benkinooby | Dewi: thx |
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| 07:40.14 | Dewi | Benkinooby: maybe I'm being old-fashioned, but it should be pretty straightforward doing it that way anyway |
| 07:40.23 | Benkinooby | Dewi: thought there might be some dpkg-reconfigure magic that gives me a menu like i had at install |
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| 07:43.45 | ulmer | I need a tool for stopp the time on klick (Xfce, Debian Testing) |
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| 07:44.27 | tralala | Benkinooby, there's netselect-apt and apt-spy |
| 07:45.26 | Benkinooby | tralala: thank you. |
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| 08:03.25 | AjunS | anyone here |
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| 08:06.17 | ulmer | no one :) |
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| 08:07.16 | ulmer | it seems so |
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| 08:08.17 | ulmer | 1333 user but no one answer |
| 08:08.28 | lkeijser | hi, how can I purge a package from a (post-install) script when the package (resolvconf) prompts a dialog? |
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| 08:09.09 | themill | lkeijser: by "post-install" I assume you mean something that you are running, not the postinst of a package |
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| 08:10.21 | lkeijser | themill: sorry yes, I mean from a preseed |
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| 08:10.48 | themill | is this the "Reboot recommended" message? |
| 08:11.57 | lkeijser | themill: exactly |
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| 08:14.04 | lkeijser | ah got it, have to set DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive first |
| 08:14.07 | themill | lkeijser: so the options in order of increasing ickiness: (a) don't install resolvconf to begin with (it's only a suggests of things so I can't see where it's being pulled in: "aptitude why resolvconf" might tell you). (b) also preseed that you've seen that dialogue: resolvconf/reboot-recommended-after-removal (from the postrm script). (c) suppress all debconf with the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg --purge etc... |
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| 08:15.27 | lkeijser | cool, thanks! |
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| 08:18.19 | codygman | Should I build emacs24 myself or install it from sid? Or is there a better option? |
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| 08:18.37 | Dewi | what's the safest way to receive system emails that doesn't involve operating a full MTA? |
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| 08:18.57 | Iridos | judd, versions emas24 |
| 08:18.58 | judd | No package named 'emas24' was found in i386. |
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| 08:19.24 | codygman | judd, versions emacs24 |
| 08:19.25 | judd | Package: emacs24 on i386 -- sid: 24.3+1-1.1 |
| 08:19.26 | Dewi | all I want are reports from cron, etc, but I don't want to open up mail generally on the machine |
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| 08:19.56 | Iridos | judd, versions emacs24-non-dfsg |
| 08:19.57 | judd | No package named 'emacs24-non-dfsg' was found in i386. |
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| 08:20.12 | Iridos | huh? it's lying |
| 08:20.15 | Dewi | nullmailer is almost right for local mail, but doesn't do anything to redirect/block outgoing mail more generally |
| 08:20.15 | themill | Dewi: there are lots of miniature MTA-like things that work for that. It depends on whether you just want to offload the mail to another box to process or local delivery |
| 08:20.28 | Iridos | oh, I'm on amd64? but.... that's weird |
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| 08:20.36 | enkrypt | since a few days my debian unstable refuses to boot with kernel 3.10-3, but boots fine in 3.10-2, anyone care to point me at the right bug report? |
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| 08:22.35 | gucki | hi guys. i just upgraded a squeeze system to wheezy, but there's no install candidate for python-amara in wheezy? |
| 08:22.51 | codygman | Iridos: I'm being silly, I *have* emacs 24 |
| 08:23.22 | themill | ,bug rm amara |
| 08:23.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/612988 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: amara -- RoQA; dead upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-02-12; last modified: 2011-10-13. |
| 08:23.26 | themill | gucki: ^^ |
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| 08:24.56 | gucki | oh ok i see. but i have some software which depends on it....so i'll try to install the squeeze package .. :) |
| 08:26.56 | Dewi | themill: out-bound comms seem generally easier for the notifications I want, but everything seems open-by-default |
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| 08:31.10 | jaggz | I have a nic module (bnx2) which gives errors upon boot, so eth0 won't come up. If I rmmod it and insmod it from the directory, or modprobe bnx2, then the networking will work |
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| 08:32.22 | jaggz | the module comes in the linux-image-... package |
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| 08:36.33 | nully | /win 30 |
| 08:36.57 | jaggz | at boot it says: bnx2: Can't load firmware file "bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-5.0.0.j3.fw" |
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| 08:39.24 | jelly-home | jaggz: install firmware-bnx2 from non-free, from the same repo you got your kernel from (if it's a backport), reboot |
| 08:39.53 | jaggz | I had those installed.. firmware-bnx2 and firmware-bnx2x but got the same errors |
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| 08:43.06 | jaggz | maybe there was a conflict between the two? I'm trying a reboot with just the -bnx2 |
| 08:43.10 | jaggz | thanks |
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| 08:44.53 | local | hey there. I have done something stupid. I wanted to change my shell to zsh for root user and did "usermod -s zsh root". Then I logged-off and I cannot login anymore because I forgot to use /bin/zsh, instead I only used "zsh". Damn it! How can I regain access? |
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| 08:45.26 | codygman | How can I see what sound driver I am using? lsmod? |
| 08:45.28 | local | I tried from remote machine to do a ssh root@myfailedhost "usermod -s /bin/zsh root" but it's not possible, too :( any clues? |
| 08:46.15 | jaggz | can you log in as a normal user? |
| 08:46.21 | local | jaggz: no |
| 08:46.25 | local | only root account |
| 08:46.32 | jaggz | physical access to the machine? |
| 08:46.44 | local | jaggz: It's a VM |
| 08:46.58 | local | I would like to AVOID booting into safe mode |
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| 08:47.07 | jaggz | jelly-home: still get that error at boot.. same one. but bnx2 shows in lsmod once booted |
| 08:47.10 | _val_ | local: use single quotes |
| 08:47.12 | local | I can do this of course, but on the weekend I thinkg, the machine is important |
| 08:47.25 | local | _val_: ? |
| 08:47.28 | a_meteor | local, what about ssh root@host /bin/bash -c 'usermod blahadgagag' |
| 08:48.12 | local | a_meteor: getting again "Permission denied, please try again." |
| 08:48.27 | _val_ | ssh root@somehost 'usermod ...' |
| 08:49.01 | local | _val_ doesn't work either, same error --> permission denied |
| 08:49.35 | a_meteor | and you don't have a regular user with sudo access |
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| 08:49.46 | local | a_meteor unfortunately not |
| 08:49.50 | jaggz | jelly-home: all I need to do is rmmod bnx2; modprobe bnx2; then /etc/init.d/networking stop and start and it works to bring up the interfaces |
| 08:50.19 | jaggz | without removing and re-adding the module the ethernet device isn't available |
| 08:50.28 | _val_ | local: than you are not able to log in as root to your remote server |
| 08:50.52 | local | _val_: damnit. How do I have to proceed when rebooting it? |
| 08:51.04 | _val_ | it is not the command that is failing. It is the permission problem. |
| 08:51.09 | jaggz | will single-user use the shell still? |
| 08:51.43 | local | _val_ when I try to login to the local console (physical access to the machine) I get the error that "zsh" was not found, right after I entered correctly my root pwd. |
| 08:51.45 | a_meteor | local, no other users at all even? |
| 08:51.50 | local | so that is the problem |
| 08:52.08 | local | a_meteor: of course there are users, but only the defaults one, I dont remember to have set up any passwords for them. |
| 08:52.20 | a_meteor | ah, well i mean ones you can login. |
| 08:52.29 | _val_ | local: type zsh |
| 08:52.31 | a_meteor | or you could get to root.. su -s /bin/sh root - |
| 08:52.32 | _val_ | what does it return? |
| 08:52.50 | local | _val_: type it where? from a remote host through ssh you mean? |
| 08:53.06 | _val_ | local: no on the physical machine. Do you have zsh installed? |
| 08:53.19 | jaggz | interesting, this ubuntu page says it's possible this error is fixed in 2.6.32-8, but I'm at -5 with squeeze .. was going from lenny |
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| 08:53.24 | local | _val_ I said: I CANNOT login on the physical console |
| 08:53.49 | a_meteor | you'd need to add init=/bin/sh to kernel parameters |
| 08:53.50 | local | _val_ yes of course, zsh is installed. But the binary is in /bin/zsh and I forgot to use the complete path, when I ran the usermod command |
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| 08:54.03 | a_meteor | single user mode will choke too i think |
| 08:54.04 | _val_ | local: as a_meteor suggested su -s /bin/sh root - |
| 08:54.18 | _val_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.31 | local | _val_ I understand this command, but should I try that through ssh ?? |
| 08:54.33 | a_meteor | that's if he has another user to login as, or a shell open |
| 08:54.40 | local | I hvae no shell where I can do that at this moment |
| 08:55.07 | a_meteor | you're pretty screwed i believe |
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| 08:55.44 | a_meteor | does the VPS let you boot a recovery image so you can fix it? |
| 08:55.53 | ChrisH | local: changing root's shell is not a good idea at any UNIX'ish system. Looks like you either need to try boot with init=/bin/sh or boot from any CD/DVD/USB and change passwd using vi |
| 08:55.54 | local | a_meteor: I am sure it'll work when I reboot the machine and add the init parameter, but I wonder if I can do it somehow NOW on the live system, WITHOUT having it rebooted |
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| 08:56.08 | local | ChrisH: Of course :) |
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| 08:56.32 | local | alright guys, so there's no option, I HAVE to reboot it :) |
| 08:56.34 | local | damn it |
| 08:56.38 | a_meteor | unless you can ssh in, or the VPS lets you get a console through another channel (some do), i don't see a way |
| 08:56.40 | ChrisH | local: I did understand you cannot login currently at all with no user. Given that I do not see any option |
| 08:56.42 | local | I will do it in the evening |
| 08:57.08 | local | a_meteor: it's not a VPS running somewhere on the internet, it's a local machine, a VM of Xen |
| 08:57.19 | a_meteor | ohhh |
| 08:57.37 | a_meteor | there might be a way to get a console |
| 08:57.55 | local | ChrisH: Yes, you understood correct: I cannot login with any user at the moment. :( a_meteor: tell me |
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| 08:58.52 | a_meteor | xm console id |
| 08:58.58 | a_meteor | try that |
| 08:59.15 | local | a_meteor: Citrix Xenserver ;) |
| 08:59.22 | a_meteor | oh.. |
| 08:59.39 | _val_ | local: ssh root@remotehost 'HOME=~username; exec sh' |
| 08:59.42 | codygman | beep isn't working :/ neither is printf \\a |
| 08:59.51 | _val_ | assuming you can login as root on your ssh server. |
| 09:00.09 | _val_ | Otherwise ssh username@remotehost 'HOME=~username; exec sh' |
| 09:00.38 | local | _val_ and what does username stand for? |
| 09:00.40 | _val_ | You won't see a shell, but you will be able to su - or run commands. |
| 09:00.53 | _val_ | local: it's the username you once had on your VPS. |
| 09:01.18 | local | _val_ ? There is no VPS |
| 09:01.30 | _val_ | local: whatever it is. |
| 09:01.50 | _val_ | on the remote machine. Do you have a user account? |
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| 09:03.09 | a_meteor | local, xenconsole id |
| 09:03.26 | a_meteor | it might not be in path, in which case /usr/lib/xen/bin/xenconsole ? |
| 09:05.16 | local | a_meteor: a_meteor yes it is in the path you told me. But the command fails with ./xenconsole id |
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| 09:05.19 | codygman | Is there anything I need to be aware of when moving partitions with gparted? |
| 09:05.20 | local | Invalid DOMID `id' |
| 09:05.28 | a_meteor | local, well you have to give it the id |
| 09:05.32 | a_meteor | xe vm-list |
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| 09:05.42 | a_meteor | see the uuid you want, then do list_domains |
| 09:05.49 | a_meteor | then use the id |
| 09:06.21 | a_meteor | the id from list_domains matching that uuid, that is |
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| 09:07.39 | a_meteor | hugs libvirt |
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| 09:09.48 | a_meteor | local, any luck? |
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| 09:10.57 | codygman | What is the best method to install steam? I see an installer on github by some ghost guy and I see jessie has steam. Installing via testing seems to be easiest? |
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| 09:11.24 | local | a_meteor: sorry for late reply. I need the DOMID ? the UUID of the xenserver itself? |
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| 09:12.33 | a_meteor | local, yeah you need the dom id. so: xe vm-list. find the one you want, and note its uuid. then: list_domains |
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| 09:12.51 | a_meteor | from list_domains, get the id to the left of the uuid... then do xenconsole <thatid> |
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| 09:13.03 | local | a_meteor: ok, I got many domain_ids as result |
| 09:13.43 | local | a_meteor: some have on the end of the line a flag, R, B or H, two of them have B+H |
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| 09:14.02 | a_meteor | R is for running |
| 09:14.17 | przemek | hello i've a problem with debian 7.1 installation in raid6 with 12HDD , its taking at the moment 2,5h - installing the base system took 1,5hours is this normal on RAID6? |
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| 09:14.39 | local | a_meteor: so I have two lines then with the flag R |
| 09:14.57 | local | a_meteor: that would make sense, because on this pool I am, I have two Xenservers up |
| 09:14.58 | a_meteor | wait.. hm... |
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| 09:15.20 | a_meteor | local, yeah so you should have matched the right uuid from xe vm-list |
| 09:15.30 | a_meteor | they should have names, no? |
| 09:15.36 | jelly | przemek: soft or hw raid? |
| 09:15.40 | local | a_meteor: But which one of these two domain IDs I should take? |
| 09:15.42 | przemek | jelly: HW |
| 09:15.45 | przemek | raid 9750 |
| 09:15.47 | przemek | 3ware |
| 09:16.02 | a_meteor | if in doubt, try both? :) |
| 09:16.08 | a_meteor | doesn't use xenserver |
| 09:16.17 | jelly | przemek: does your controller have battery backed white cache? |
| 09:16.28 | przemek | no this raid have no BBU |
| 09:16.35 | przemek | write cache is disabled |
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| 09:17.20 | jelly | przemek: don't expect exceptional performance, then. Still 90minutes is a bit slow, but if the array is still building, maybe that's what you can get out of it |
| 09:17.40 | local | a_meteor: the problem with your previous command "list_domains" it doesnt support any arguments (like I tried with the VM uuid). |
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| 09:17.46 | przemek | jelly: thank yo for your help and opinion |
| 09:17.51 | local | a_meteor: it is just listing all the dom_ids |
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| 09:18.21 | a_meteor | local, seems that is as designed. you want to find the uuid you want and use its corresponding dom ID. |
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| 09:18.39 | local | a_meteor: When I do a "list_domains" there is one line which has the same uuid of my problem VM. And this line is beginning and showing me ID=3" |
| 09:18.58 | a_meteor | so xenconsole 3 |
| 09:19.40 | local | a_meteor: nothing happens after issuing this command |
| 09:19.54 | a_meteor | local, like it hangs? try pressing enter |
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| 09:20.18 | local | Ah ok, Enter helped. Now I get the local console of this VM, alright. But how should that help? I see the login prompt :( |
| 09:20.27 | a_meteor | oh. well, crap. |
| 09:20.36 | local | LoL |
| 09:20.55 | a_meteor | was worth a try :) |
| 09:21.02 | local | How do I exit this xenconsole ?? |
| 09:21.07 | a_meteor | ctrl-] |
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| 09:21.35 | local | ctrl-] ? hmm... I have german keyboard, damn |
| 09:21.35 | a_meteor | hugs libvirt once again for making that way easier than xenserver |
| 09:21.47 | a_meteor | ctrl-5 then |
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| 09:22.26 | local | nope, still seeing the login prompt of this vm (xenconsole) |
| 09:22.51 | local | ah ok , I found it |
| 09:22.53 | a_meteor | what do you use to escape telnet? |
| 09:22.59 | local | I exited that xenconsole bin. |
| 09:23.04 | a_meteor | heh that works |
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| 09:23.14 | local | well a_meteor: thanks however for your assistance mate |
| 09:23.31 | a_meteor | no problem, wish there was a way you could avoid a reboot |
| 09:23.31 | local | I think I really NEED to reboot the machine with init parameter for a /bin/bash |
| 09:23.39 | a_meteor | believe so |
| 09:24.26 | a_meteor | is ready to crash for sleep |
| 09:24.42 | a_meteor | good luck local |
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| 09:29.09 | local | a_meteor: thank you. Good n8 m8te |
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| 09:36.25 | ChrisH | quinso: unrar-free ? |
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| 09:36.57 | quinso | thx |
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| 09:46.47 | jaggz- | how do I know which devices grub is currently installed on? |
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| 09:47.39 | jaggz- | sda2 is my active partition in fdisk.. grub/menu.lst shows (hd0,1) as root |
| 09:47.47 | jaggz- | (upgrading from squeeze to lenny) |
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| 09:49.15 | przemek | jelly: i've swtiched write cache to on and system already is installed :) but is battery is necessary? to have my data save? |
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| 09:49.42 | przemek | jelly: after swtich off the machine i will lose all my data? |
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| 09:51.37 | boudiccas | on testing - help! i've just rebooted after doing a dist-upgrade for the new kernel, and now i dont get as far as gdm3 but instead get loads of messages on screen saying udevd [4235] failed to execute '/lib/udev/socket"org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:"/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event':no such file or directory - how can i get it working and booting properly please? |
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| 09:52.02 | martin-_- | hi, i can't use java applets in google chrome |
| 09:52.04 | ExeciN | jaggz: I would have just backed up my /home partition |
| 09:53.19 | jelly | przemek: BBU is absolutely necessary if you want to avoid data loss and keep the write cache enabled, yes |
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| 09:53.38 | przemek | jelly: thank you |
| 09:54.07 | jaggz- | ExeciN: hm |
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| 09:54.39 | ExeciN | jaggz: or just keep that partition intact |
| 09:54.47 | jaggz- | okay, so hd0,1 is sda2 .. it's a bit concerning for me to write to /dev/sda which is the whole drive itself.. |
| 09:55.14 | jaggz- | I guess there's room in the MBR of sda, before sda1 ? |
| 09:55.58 | jaggz- | sda1 starts 63 sectors in I guess |
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| 10:00.52 | boudiccas | i have the 'kernel make log' and the output of 'dist-upgrade' if anyone cares to help me please? |
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| 10:05.38 | Dwarf | boudiccas: Check the topic |
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| 10:08.13 | jelly | *yawn* |
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| 10:08.53 | martin-_- | no one runs chrome with java applets? o0 |
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| 10:16.45 | boudiccas | this is where the kernel upgrade went wrong 'ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/13.4/build/libfglrx_ip.a) to format elf64-x86-64 (/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/13.4/build/fglrx.o) is not supported' |
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| 10:21.18 | jaggz- | I finished dist-upgrade from squeeze->wheezy, and the new kernel 3.2.0-4 is installed, but I don't see it in grub |
| 10:21.53 | boudiccas | jaggz, have you rebooted? |
| 10:22.05 | mumpitze1 | jaggz-: what do you see in update-grub? |
| 10:22.20 | jaggz- | no I haven't rebooted yet |
| 10:22.35 | mumpitze1 | don't reboot before you resolve the issue |
| 10:22.48 | jaggz- | I did an update-from-grub-legacy and it failed to update sda2 |
| 10:22.58 | mumpitze1 | !tell jaggz- about errors |
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| 10:24.05 | jaggz- | it doesn't give any details.. lemme see if there are any logs. (It just says, "GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/sda2 You may be able to install GRUB to some other device, although you should check that your system will boot from that device. Otherwise, the upgrade from GRUB Legacy will be canceled. Writing GRUB to boot device failed - try again?" |
| 10:24.44 | jaggz- | I did specify /dev/sda and /dev/sda2 at its recommendation, so it's possible everything is fine, since menu.lst specifies (hd0,1) |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | jaggz-: Why are you installing to a partition in the first place? It is customary to install the bootloader to the MBR. You would therefore install it to /dev/sda rather than /dev/sda2 |
| 10:25.09 | mumpitze1 | you specified 2 places for grub to install? who told you to specify sda2? |
| 10:25.09 | jaggz- | If I specify just sda, it gives no errors |
| 10:25.16 | babilen | Oh this is grub1? |
| 10:25.24 | mumpitze1 | the entry in menu.lst has nothing to do where grub is installed |
| 10:25.25 | jaggz- | mumixam: the install ncurses window or whatever it is |
| 10:25.45 | mumpitze1 | the "root" entry there specifies the root partition for your linux basically |
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| 10:25.54 | babilen | jaggz-: Just install to /dev/sda and be done with it. You neither want nor should install it to /dev/sda2 |
| 10:25.57 | jaggz- | mum, I mean, the master boot record.. it reads menu.lst which specifies the proper boot partition (sda2) so I think everything is fine |
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| 10:26.22 | babilen | (and menu.lst is not used by grub2) |
| 10:26.45 | mumpitze1 | jaggz-: I told you yesterday there is no way to directly see where grub is installed btw |
| 10:26.48 | jaggz- | yeah, I am noticing that now.. tons of files in /boot/grub |
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| 10:27.03 | jaggz- | mumixam: oh I missed that answer, thank you. |
| 10:27.51 | babilen | jaggz-: Give poor mumixam a rest and address mumpitze1 :) |
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| 10:29.14 | jaggz- | haah.. |
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| 10:32.29 | jaggz- | trying to find a page on configuring grub2 in debian now :) |
| 10:32.43 | babilen | jaggz-: What are you trying to do/achieve ? |
| 10:32.52 | jaggz- | grub.cfg lists msdos and stuff.. weird |
| 10:33.04 | jaggz- | I want to confirm the boot/kernel settings |
| 10:33.15 | jaggz- | make sure i have a menu entry for the new kernel, etc. |
| 10:33.55 | babilen | jaggz-: Run "update-grub2" and check /boot/grub/grub.cfg; make sure to have os-prober installed if you have other operating systems on that box that you want to boot into from grub. |
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| 10:34.10 | jaggz- | just debian |
| 10:34.19 | eb0t | look at the archlinux wiki grub |
| 10:34.29 | eb0t | that will tell you everythign you need to know |
| 10:34.45 | eb0t | as you must not edit the grub.cfg file by hand |
| 10:34.47 | babilen | Whatfor? There is almost certainly no reason to tinker with any of the scripts. |
| 10:35.06 | jaggz- | it still lists: set root='(hd0,msdos2)' |
| 10:35.29 | babilen | jaggz-: Is your system not booting or what is the actual problem we are trying to fix? (joined a little late) |
| 10:35.29 | jaggz- | and it insmod's part_msdos |
| 10:35.42 | jaggz- | I was upgrading from lenny to squeeze and now squeeze to wheezy |
| 10:35.51 | jaggz- | on a live server :) |
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| 10:38.00 | babilen | jaggz-: part_msdos is needed to be able to access dos partition tables, why is that a problem? Do you actually have a problem? Could you paste the output of "update-grub2" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:39.16 | khurram | hi guys |
| 10:39.26 | jaggz- | http://paste.debian.net/45574/ |
| 10:39.33 | jaggz- | just strange that that's used as the partition specifier |
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| 10:40.11 | jaggz- | none of my partitions are msdos.. all ext2 or 3 |
| 10:40.41 | jaggz- | (and one extended, type 5) |
| 10:40.44 | khurram | i want to allow access to one my collegues in /home/owner/collegue_Directory , i want to give him access so that he can only start and stop the node.js server and run the scripts only from his directory , what i need to installl for this |
| 10:40.51 | khurram | i am using debian wheezy 7 |
| 10:40.57 | babilen | jaggz-: That looks perfectly fine, but you have a number of kernels (and probably other packages) that are not in wheezy and wouldn't work anymore. I would take a look at the output of "aptitude search ~o" (assuming a sane repository configuration) and consider purging those. (same for "aptitude search ~c") |
| 10:41.04 | zykotick9 | jaggz-: the MSDOS partition is the old standard, GPT is the new kid on the block. you probably DO use MSDOS partitions. |
| 10:41.11 | babilen | jaggz-: partition *tables* |
| 10:41.56 | jaggz- | ohhhh |
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| 10:42.45 | babilen | jaggz-: Do you actually have a problem or is this just the attempt to find some? |
| 10:42.47 | jaggz- | back to my hand editing of partition tables where I got to see how linux fdisk did different things from dos :) |
| 10:42.57 | jaggz- | babilen: just making sure it'll boot.. server is remote |
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| 10:43.34 | jaggz- | kvm switch on it.. but if I really screw up, it's now almost 4am and getting over there, exhausted, is going to be a problem (and a big problem/delay) .. and there are worse things involved |
| 10:43.36 | mumpitze1 | hand editing partition tables is quite a sure way to get a non booting system. and linux does stuff the same way dos did |
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| 10:43.52 | jaggz- | mumpitze1: nah, I was getting systems to work that got messed up.. |
| 10:44.03 | babilen | jaggz-: As I said: If you want post-upgrade sanity checking I would start with obsolete and removed-but-not-purged packages - the grub output looks fine and you should make sure to install it to /dev/sda (that is run "update-grub2 ; grub-install /dev/sda") |
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| 10:44.41 | jaggz- | you don't think I can go ahead and boot, and remove obsolete and unpurged at a future time? |
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| 10:44.59 | jaggz- | no errors in grub install |
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| 10:45.13 | jaggz- | okay.. so.. I feel safe booting |
| 10:45.25 | jaggz- | famous last words? :/ |
| 10:46.11 | babilen | jaggz-: I would clean up the system first; stray configuration files from ancient times might have unwanted effects |
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| 10:48.19 | jaggz- | I guess I'd need to hand-pick the ones to remove |
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| 10:49.14 | babilen | jaggz-: You should be able to purge almost everything from the "aptitude search '~o'" amnd "aptitude search '~c'" lists |
| 10:49.23 | babilen | (paste them to http://paste.debian.net if you want us to take a look) |
| 10:49.27 | jaggz- | reading manpage to see exactly what ~o is listing |
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| 10:50.54 | babilen | jaggz-: Why don't you ask? :) -- It lists "obsolete" packages. That are packages that are not available from any of the configured repositories. Assuming you have a sane /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy (something resembling http://paste.debian.net/45580/ (remove wheezy-backports if not wanted)) it would list all packages that were in earlier releases, but have been removed in either squeeze or wheezy (or earlier) |
| 10:50.59 | jaggz- | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 10:51.12 | jaggz- | I'm trying to follow irc ettiquette (sp) |
| 10:51.39 | jaggz- | I did have a backports entry |
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| 10:52.26 | jaggz- | http://paste.debian.net/45581/ |
| 10:52.28 | babilen | I'm happy to elaborate if instructions I give are unclear. Do not misunderstand me: I *do* appreciate it if you read documentation and double-check, but sometimes it is just fasterâ„¢ to ask :) |
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| 10:52.45 | jaggz- | I agree. thanks for your understanding about that, and willingness |
| 10:53.09 | jaggz- | how do I list which packages are being used from backports? |
| 10:53.32 | mumpitze1 | they have "bpo" in the package name/version |
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| 10:54.01 | babilen | jaggz-: Okay, two things: Please don't use ftp.debian.org (line 4) but either a round-robin such as http.debian.org or one of the country rotations (ftp.us.debian.org); you are also missing an entry for wheezy-updates (formerly volatile, check the sources.list I pasted) |
| 10:54.14 | babilen | dpkg: bdo list |
| 10:54.14 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'. See also <which repo>. |
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| 10:55.13 | jaggz- | I have one. firmware.bnx2 heh |
| 10:55.18 | jaggz- | firmware-bnx2 |
| 10:56.05 | jaggz- | having a problem with that anyway.. hoping the upgrade (kernel in particular) fixes that.. since a ubuntu post discussing the same error message (an error loading some bnx module.. which is the broadcom NIC in this computer) |
| 10:56.08 | babilen | curious, you should only have that if you have the corresponding kernel installed. Mind pasting the ~c and ~o output? |
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| 10:56.30 | jaggz- | they mention the kernel version a bit newer than the lenny kernel had the fix |
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| 10:57.15 | jaggz- | do we have a debian pastebin shell script I can cat into? |
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| 10:57.50 | mumpitze1 | !pastebinit |
| 10:57.51 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 10:57.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell jaggz- -about nopaste |
| 10:58.20 | babilen | mumpitze1: pastebinit is one of the ugliest python scripts I've seen ... I tend not to recommend it due to that. |
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| 10:59.47 | jaggz- | this is probably unjustified, but I'm a bit anal, if not ignorant, about security.. for some reason I feel like releasing my packages list might be a vulnerability |
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| 11:00.13 | jaggz- | I mean, I *know* it CAN be a security risk.. just doesn't mean it is. |
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| 11:01.07 | jaggz- | (in general, exploit attacks now are so complete that they catch issues across many versions.. it's horrible) |
| 11:01.09 | babilen | jaggz-: Well, I cannot make recommendations without additional information. Given that you will, most likely, purge all those packages anyway I don't deem it very problematic. |
| 11:01.18 | mumpitze1 | it can only be a security risk if debian itself has vulnerabilities. but we already know that you run debian cause you are here |
| 11:01.23 | jaggz- | I'll keep some.. I have some legacy code which uses some older libraries |
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| 11:01.49 | jaggz- | mumpitze1: heh.. well, I HAVE had servers hacked from old versions of software (e.g. bind) |
| 11:01.56 | babilen | jaggz-: This is not about different versions. This is about software that has been removed completely from the archive or about packages that *you* (or another sysad) removed, but that still have (ancient) configuration files isntalled. |
| 11:02.23 | jaggz- | really it's something like, "oh, they're running THAT version still? we don't cover that one in our rootkit.." |
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| 11:02.44 | jaggz- | yeah, I figure "obsolete" means a newer version is installed and running |
| 11:03.03 | jaggz- | however, in some cases I have things like.. old versions of postgresql |
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| 11:03.25 | jaggz- | where these multiple versions are still actually running, until I can get the development done in all the areas to use new versions.. |
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| 11:04.02 | babilen | jaggz-: No, it doesn't mean that a newer version is installed and running. It means that a package of that name is installed, but is not available in any of the currently configured repositories. One common reason for that is that that particular package has been removed from the archive at one point. |
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| 11:05.01 | babilen | jaggz-: The line is a bit blurred if you think about versioned packages like those used for various libraries libfoo2-dev, libfoo3-dev, ... |
| 11:05.35 | jaggz- | oh.. hmm |
| 11:05.49 | jaggz- | well that can be bad |
| 11:05.58 | babilen | What can be bad? |
| 11:06.29 | jaggz- | like, I have stuff using berkeley db (libdb4.x) |
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| 11:06.49 | babilen | You should be able to purge *all* packages listed in both '~c' and '~o' unless you have good reasons to keep them. |
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| 11:06.58 | jaggz- | well, what if I'm using a package which is no longer supported? ie. not carried by debian anymore (but it used to)? |
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| 11:08.14 | babilen | jaggz-: Then we do not support that package anymore, you do not get security support at all and it most likely means that you should stop using the software. In the case of libraries it means that whatever *other* / *third-party* software depends on that library should be upgraded to use current versions or not be used anymore. |
| 11:08.24 | jaggz- | like, I have libbow installed.. it was from a university. |
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| 11:08.50 | jaggz- | for cleanliness I made it into a package.. but it's not in a repository |
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| 11:09.17 | babilen | jaggz-: Software you installed from Debian shouldn't depend on obsolete libraries (well, that should be obvious) and we typically offer various alternatives if actual programs are being removed for good reasons (inactive upstream, grave/security bugs, ...) |
| 11:09.24 | jaggz- | I *probably* used checkinstall to install it (not being interested, and having almost no experience in making official packages) |
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| 11:09.56 | babilen | jaggz-: Well, we obviously cannot support that. (nor have we ever) -- It is entirely up to you to ensure that these local/third-party/personal packages are well maintained. |
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| 11:10.19 | jaggz- | yeah.. so I do have to hand-pick the things to remove.. okay.. not that big of a deal.. |
| 11:10.59 | jaggz- | I'll just delete the ones I know I want to keep from the list and remove all the others |
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| 11:11.17 | jaggz- | aptitude remove $(<final_list.txt) ? |
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| 11:11.36 | babilen | jaggz-: Given that you seem to be concerned about your security (you are not willing to share those package lists) I really don't understand why you deem it acceptable to run unmaintained software on your system. |
| 11:11.53 | jaggz- | because there's no replacement? |
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| 11:12.21 | babilen | Anyway, there is not much I can do as you do not disclose further information. My advice would be to get rid of *all* those packages unless you have a *very* good reason not to. |
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| 11:12.30 | babilen | jaggz-: Replacement for what? |
| 11:12.39 | jaggz- | (and they're not necessarily publicly accessible.. like libbow) |
| 11:12.44 | jaggz- | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mccallum/bow/ |
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| 11:13.04 | jaggz- | :/ Last updated: 12 September 1998 |
| 11:13.09 | _droid | hi, I wanted to know how to search the contents of a bunch of files in a certain path for an expresison, how do I do that? |
| 11:13.22 | jaggz- | _droid: probably grep? |
| 11:13.30 | jaggz- | want subdirs too? grep -r |
| 11:13.33 | babilen | jaggz-: Are you really using that? I mean that is ancient software that is totally unmaintained. |
| 11:13.36 | _val_ | !find |
| 11:13.45 | jaggz- | yeah, totally using it.. haven't found a replacement either |
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| 11:14.17 | _droid | jaggz-: yea I tried grep but I'm not getting it right |
| 11:14.18 | babilen | _droid: Do you want to search the content of those files or filter them based on some other attribute? |
| 11:14.20 | jaggz- | _droid_, provide some more of your criteria maybe, or an example |
| 11:14.35 | _droid | babilen: only search the content of those files |
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| 11:14.52 | babilen | _droid: Use grep as suggested by jaggz- in that case. |
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| 11:15.21 | jaggz- | babilen: most of these things don't handle multiple categories.. (they're junk classifiers, not text).. most others are in some uncool language (not C)) :) |
| 11:15.49 | babilen | jaggz-: Well, there are many modern text classification libraries and toolkits, but discussing this is out of the scope of this channel. You might want to consider running a VM with an ancient linux or a chroot for that software if you *really* need it. |
| 11:16.05 | _droid | jaggz-: well I want to search the files in a folder for the word "/ippool-dhcp.conf" |
| 11:16.09 | jaggz- | _droid: grep -r 'pattern' /path/to/directory_or_file /optional/path/to/another/dir_or_file |
| 11:16.18 | _droid | jaggz-: ok thanks |
| 11:16.37 | jaggz- | go into a dir and do: grep -r pattern . # This will search the current directory and everything in it, recursively (-r) |
| 11:16.51 | _droid | thanks |
| 11:17.03 | babilen | jaggz-: I, for one, wouldn't keep ancient and unmaintained packages installed for software that has been released *15* years ago. |
| 11:17.14 | babilen | jaggz-: Anyway, moving on :) |
| 11:17.43 | jaggz- | keep in mind, grep regex's don't use a / at the start. but if that's actually what you're searching for, as it appears, that's fine. |
| 11:18.05 | jaggz- | that is, / is a character it'll look for, and I think that's what you wanted so you're ok. |
| 11:18.23 | jaggz- | babilen, you haven't played Below the Root then! |
| 11:18.54 | _val_ | _droid: find . -name '*.c' -type f -exec grep 'include' {} {} \; |
| 11:19.02 | _val_ | would be one example. |
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| 11:19.45 | jaggz- | also, I had some third party software which had to use some messed up libs, and they never updated their packages.. |
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| 11:19.58 | jaggz- | it's really messed up, imo.. |
| 11:20.06 | _droid | _val_: thanks |
| 11:20.25 | jaggz- | that'll execute grep over and over.. |
| 11:21.16 | _val_ | jaggz-: You've the option + in gnufind but that won't work in that construction. |
| 11:21.22 | jaggz- | could use something like grep -r --include='*.c' instead.. I almost never use that, using find instead |
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| 11:21.38 | _val_ | find . -name '*.c' -type f -exec grep 'include' {} + |
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| 11:22.04 | jaggz- | oh is that what that does, val? cool |
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| 11:22.40 | _val_ | jaggz-: well the + in gnufind will indeed not run the grep command over and over as its counterpart `\;` does. |
| 11:24.01 | jaggz- | yeah.. nice |
| 11:24.55 | babilen | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind discusses this |
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| 11:28.30 | _val_ | also, you can have a custom find: customFind() { local ext=$1; pattern=$2 ; find . -name "$ext" -type f -exec grep "$pattern" {} + ;}; customFind *.c 'some pattern' |
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| 11:30.56 | babilen | jaggz-: So, cleaned up the system? Anything else you need help with or did you attempt a reboot already? |
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| 11:38.21 | jaggz- | what do we use for locate? |
| 11:38.27 | jaggz- | (it doesn't seem to exist) |
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| 11:38.45 | jaggz- | babilen, I went through the list and decided to do a reboot .. :/ |
| 11:39.07 | jaggz- | it came up without failure (prior to that it would fail on the nic.. so that's handled.. that's nice.. ) |
| 11:39.07 | mumpitze1 | jaggz-: install it again. mlocate or so |
| 11:39.54 | jaggz- | grumbles at no updatedb :) |
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| 11:40.07 | jaggz- | that is.. no db created so now I need to regenerate it.. can't do my work |
| 11:40.31 | jaggz- | I just bumped into an old lib that was required by a third party which was removed during the upgrades |
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| 11:40.49 | jaggz- | the aforementioned third party who I'm upset at |
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| 11:58.30 | Dwarf | IM A MONSTER |
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| 11:59.00 | SirLagz | IM A KNIGHT...I VANQUISH THY MONSTER |
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| 12:02.54 | colo-work | how do I get to mount MTP devices under Wheezy? |
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| 12:03.29 | ksk | hey. is there a command to make debian generate the locales that are already set? like "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but without going interactive? |
| 12:04.04 | colo-work | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mtpfs - available in squeeze but not wheezy? eh? |
| 12:04.07 | ksk | colo-work: i use "gmtp" |
| 12:04.26 | colo-work | "gmtp - simple MP3 player client for MTP based devices |
| 12:04.26 | colo-work | " - that, ksk? |
| 12:04.40 | ksk | yes. it can also tranfser non-mp3 files |
| 12:04.41 | colo-work | (I'd like to transfer photos, from my phone to my PC, actually :)) |
| 12:04.43 | colo-work | ah, cool |
| 12:04.46 | colo-work | will look into it |
| 12:05.08 | ChrisH | colo-work: http://roger.steneteg.org/299/mount-mtp-device-on-debian-7-wheezy/ I use testing and there it worked out of the box. |
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| 12:05.39 | colo-work | ChrisH, yeah, I found that. wondered if there was another way, with software already packaged in debian |
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| 12:07.43 | ChrisH | colo-work: testing has it |
| 12:07.52 | ksk | hum, seems i can use dpkg-reconfigure -u in my case (only asks questions that were not asked in the past) |
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| 12:16.36 | colo-work | gphotofs works too with my Nexus 4 in PTP mode |
| 12:16.57 | colo-work | why don't these morons just use USB mass storage like in the "old days"... *sigh* |
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| 12:18.06 | jelly | because vfat can't be mounted rw in two places at once |
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| 12:19.28 | ulmer | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 12:19.45 | ulmer | by install of phpMyAdmin |
| 12:20.01 | ulmer | what I have to do?? |
| 12:20.35 | jelly | ulmer: does that same password work in "mysql -p" in the command line? |
| 12:21.25 | ulmer | the same error |
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| 12:22.50 | ChrisH | colo-work: I thought the same some month ago. But with MTP you can still have the apps from SD Card online while putting some files on the card. |
| 12:23.05 | jelly | ulmer: you're entering an incorrect password, then |
| 12:23.33 | ulmer | yes seem so |
| 12:23.38 | mumpitze1 | ulmer: your mysql password is not your debian root password btw |
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| 12:24.29 | ulmer | maybe.. |
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| 12:24.58 | jelly | !ifmrp |
| 12:25.10 | jelly | silly dpkg |
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| 12:25.17 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of jelly) |
| 12:25.21 | jelly | !ifmrp |
| 12:25.21 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
| 12:25.28 | ChrisH | ulmer: are you using debian packages to install? |
| 12:25.52 | ulmer | yes with apt-get istall.. |
| 12:25.56 | ulmer | *install |
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| 12:26.56 | ChrisH | ulmer: did you set a PW for root@localhost? and how to you call mysql from CLI? |
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| 12:28.01 | ulmer | "did you set a PW for root@localhost?" yes |
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| 12:28.16 | mumpitze1 | ulmer: how did you set this password? |
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| 12:28.37 | ulmer | by installation of mysql |
| 12:28.57 | mumpitze1 | if your mysql doesn't accept it anymore: see dpkg factoid above |
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| 12:29.46 | ulmer | btw. it was the same pw with root.. |
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| 12:30.01 | AlphaPinky | Hello. I dont understand why Debian repositories only have old software. There is a software I wanted current release version `stable` version but is not updated in Debian. I am interested in having it updated in Debian. Is it possible to me to keep it updated in Debian? |
| 12:30.45 | ulmer | it is my test-VM |
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| 12:31.26 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell AlphaPinky about stable |
| 12:31.52 | AlphaPinky | ChrisH, I just want current release version of the software. |
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| 12:32.17 | ChrisH | AlphaPinky: Why? because of a nicer looking verson number? |
| 12:32.54 | AlphaPinky | There are important fixes. |
| 12:33.21 | Cyis|Work | AlphaPinky: chances are it's more current in testing or sid... stable version won't be updated to a new version only security bug fixes |
| 12:33.42 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell AlphaPinky about backports |
| 12:33.43 | AlphaPinky | I find it very confusing to be honest. |
| 12:33.49 | AlphaPinky | I read it there. |
| 12:33.59 | AlphaPinky | But I don't think for an user this makes much sense. |
| 12:34.28 | ChrisH | AlphaPinky: what are important fixes? For a users system testing might be an option. |
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| 12:34.50 | AlphaPinky | Do I have to change the whole system just to use current release of a program? |
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| 12:35.54 | CygniX | when using virtio driver in kvm, how are partition created listed? |
| 12:36.02 | CygniX | vda or sda? |
| 12:37.42 | CygniX | i imagine it would be vda# |
| 12:38.12 | CygniX | wheezy installing is throwing a fatal error trying to install grub |
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| 12:39.19 | glycol | alphapinky: if it doesn't have too much dependencies you can just search for a newer version here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, but for example there's still no wine 1.6, not even on jessie |
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| 12:39.31 | katla | hi |
| 12:40.04 | katla | I'm running the debian installer and it gets to "Erasing data on SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda)" but it just stays at 0% |
| 12:40.12 | katla | any idea what's going on with that? |
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| 12:40.38 | s2r2 | hi #debian. Lots of "install debian via PXE" tutorials use the netboot stuff and unpack it into some tftp-shared directory... can I do the same with a non-netboot install iso of debian squeeze? |
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| 12:45.54 | AlphaPinky | How long it takes to have an application updated in the repository? |
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| 12:47.04 | ChrisH | AlphaPinky: define "updated" For stable it is not expected to get a new major release in. |
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| 12:47.35 | AlphaPinky | What I want is to use a system than I can get a new major release in. What do you suggest me? |
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| 12:50.08 | ChrisH | AlphaPinky: you still do not explain why you are so on new major relases. But it looks like you want to either run stable with backports or update to testing. |
| 12:50.12 | ChrisH | !sns |
| 12:50.13 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 12:52.37 | AlphaPinky | ChrisH, supposing i have this SNSS, then what I should be using then? Test release? So I can get fresh software? |
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| 12:53.33 | ChrisH | AlphaPinky: depeding on how strong SNS is and how often you want to upgrade and fix your system even unstable can be an option. |
| 12:53.36 | themill | AlphaPinky: depends what you want and why you want it |
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| 12:54.15 | AlphaPinky | I just want to have some specific application updated. They usually are: Node.JS, MongoDB, FPC, Lazarus-IDE |
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| 12:55.06 | AlphaPinky | I need to work in current RELEASE (not BETA nor RC) of these apps so I will be working with same version of my peers. |
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| 12:55.18 | glycol | alphapinky: you're on stable/wheezy? |
| 12:55.22 | themill | how will you deploy the software you develop? |
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| 12:55.39 | AlphaPinky | Yes. |
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| 12:57.26 | AlphaPinky | themill, Just run in a computer. Nothing fancy on that. Or I dont understand your question. |
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| 12:58.27 | themill | AlphaPinky: if you want people who run the debian stable release (which is most debian users) to be able to use the software you write, there's no point in using libraries that aren't available in stable. |
| 12:58.56 | themill | The development environment should always look like the deployment environment. |
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| 13:01.15 | AlphaPinky | Right. |
| 13:02.02 | Cyis|Work | AlphaPinky: so following themill's statement... if Debian isn't your deployment environment sounds like you need to change your developent environment |
| 13:02.30 | themill | or vice versa |
| 13:03.14 | AlphaPinky | Right. Thanks for the hints. |
| 13:03.39 | Cyis|Work | I've worked operations for two many companies where that was the case and development, staging and production didn't match and developers would say "it works for me" and I'd like to reach out and strangle them when they new the deployment requirements |
| 13:04.24 | themill | "must have latest shiny thingy that hasn't been tested in production" is about the worst development plan you can have |
| 13:04.54 | Cyis|Work | themill: agreed ... I'll take stable, tried and true over new and shiny when it comes to my production environment |
| 13:04.56 | glycol | alphapinky: if you must stay on wheezy you'll have to compile from those packages from source |
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| 13:07.17 | eb0t | hi i am practicing some scripting and have created a directory that i want to put my shell scripst in....problem is i dont know which document to modify my path variable |
| 13:07.30 | eb0t | .bashrc or .profile |
| 13:08.12 | ChrisH | themill: I do reject such changes from developers. Stage and prod need the same env and developers need to adapt to that :) |
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| 13:08.45 | glycol | alphapinky: i mean like download mongoDB 2.4's source and compile from source, if you have to do this on multiple machines there's checkinstall which creates a .deb package by looking at what "make install" does |
| 13:09.42 | glycol | but this is kinda messy, especially with big projects |
| 13:09.54 | themill | AlphaPinky, glycol: well, you'd be better of rebuilding the debian packages if possible; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:10.18 | glycol | themill: true |
| 13:10.21 | AlphaPinky | I will do this anyway... Just wanted to know why things aren't updated when new version comes. I thought no one from project was updating it in repositories. |
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| 13:10.56 | AlphaPinky | project => from a specific software project. Not debian. |
| 13:11.28 | themill | dpkg: tell AlphaPinky about stable |
| 13:11.40 | AlphaPinky | not again. I've read that. |
| 13:11.49 | themill | ah, sorry. missed that |
| 13:12.13 | AlphaPinky | Ok Ok. I will keep compiling it from sources. I give up using aptitude for having latest software. ;) |
| 13:12.18 | themill | New versions are the opposite of what stable release is supposed to be. New versions mean things that currently work would stop working and that's a bad thing |
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| 13:13.01 | AlphaPinky | problem is when things dont work now. |
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| 13:13.06 | AlphaPinky | And the update fixes it. |
| 13:14.35 | themill | AlphaPinky: that happens a lot less often than people thing and much less often than the "breakage" case, |
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| 13:16.31 | AlphaPinky | It relates more to the project.. Some project release buggy software. And releases lots of new versions (fixes) after. Maybe timming, culture. Whatever. Thanks again for the conversation. I will leave now, lunch time. :) |
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| 13:17.15 | katla | what are the best sources to learn about how debian linux works? |
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| 13:17.44 | themill | dpkg: tell katla about debian-handbook |
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| 13:27.33 | zophy | what is a good program to use for making flowcharts ? |
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| 13:29.12 | themill | zophy: depends how you like to do it. calligra has tools to do that, xfig, write some tikz code and compile it with latex, draw boxes in libreoffice, ... |
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| 13:29.49 | AimHere | apt-cache search <subject> can sometimes help you find programs and libraries related to your subject |
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| 13:30.22 | AimHere | Though you might miss more general tools like OpenOffice and TeX sometimes... |
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| 13:36.56 | CygniX | I am new to debian and need a little help |
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| 13:37.11 | babilen | CygniX: Okay, anything in particular you need help with? |
| 13:37.17 | babilen | (welcome btw) |
| 13:37.28 | CygniX | I installed the minimum base setup, and to install ssh |
| 13:37.40 | CygniX | thanks babilen |
| 13:38.03 | CygniX | basically need to configure repository |
| 13:38.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell CygniX -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 13:39.19 | babilen | CygniX: You end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/45603/ (modulo wheezy-backports, but leave it in as it won't hurt) and you might also want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 13:40.29 | CygniX | babilen: thanks, not sure i quite get what is going on in that paste |
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| 13:42.35 | babilen | CygniX: I pasted an example that you can use as /etc/apt/sources.list and a rather complete one at that. To use it you would make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list looks like it and you would run "apt-get update" to download the package information from those repositories. |
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| 13:45.00 | CygniX | babilen: I have already installed the system |
| 13:45.05 | babilen | CygniX: You can then run "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" to ugprade packages installed on your system or "apt-get install $FOO" to install a package named $FOO (read the debian handbook for further information) |
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| 13:46.00 | babilen | CygniX: "need to configure repository" sounded as if you require help with, well, configuring repositories. If I misunderstood I apologise and you might want to elaborate further. |
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| 13:48.59 | CygniX | babilen: basically, using the netinstaller iso in kvm environment, I stalled, base installation, configure the network, and didn't setup anything else. |
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| 13:49.46 | babilen | CygniX: yeah, fair enough. What can I help you with if configuring Debian repositories is not it? |
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| 13:50.32 | CygniX | babilen: sorry, but ma new to the debian environment, this is the first time actually doing a working install |
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| 13:51.13 | CygniX | the paste you provided for example is not too clear, take the first line: "apt-get remove linux-image-3.10-3-amd64" |
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| 13:51.23 | babilen | CygniX: Sure that is all well and good, but my crystal ball is not *that* powerful. We are willing to help you with anything you want to achieve, but we have to know what that is :) |
| 13:51.32 | babilen | CygniX: oh, wtf |
| 13:51.46 | babilen | CygniX: Sorry, I totally must have referenced the wrong paste. :( |
| 13:51.57 | babilen | checks |
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| 13:52.05 | themill | dpkg: tell mmurit about root |
| 13:52.42 | babilen | CygniX: Oops, yeah .. forget that. That paste has nothing to do with you :) -- I meant to reference http://paste.debian.net/45632/ |
| 13:52.56 | CygniX | babilen: ha, that makes more sense |
| 13:52.57 | CygniX | lol |
| 13:53.01 | CygniX | thanks |
| 13:53.34 | babilen | CygniX: Sorry, I thought I still have the sources.list in my copy&paste buffer .. obviously another paste sneaked in in the meanwhile. That must have been confusing :) ... /me chuckles |
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| 13:54.44 | mmumit | freedom |
| 13:54.50 | CygniX | babilen: this looks like exactly what I needed thanks |
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| 13:55.02 | babilen | CygniX: yeah, thought so :) |
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| 13:56.52 | CygniX | babilen: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" I am assuming the second part after the space is just label? |
| 13:57.29 | CygniX | the "wheezy main contrib non-free" portion |
| 13:58.07 | themill | no, each part has meaning. (see man 5 sources.list for a full description) |
| 13:58.24 | CygniX | Oh ok |
| 13:58.31 | mmumit | I do not like the new Activities menu, can I change it back to the old one? It reminds me of windows 8 |
| 13:59.27 | mmumit | or do I have to go and install some old debian version? I dunno is this GNOME 3? |
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| 14:00.47 | CygniX | is deb a binary ? |
| 14:01.41 | babilen | mmumit: yes, it is Gnome3 -- and no, installing an old version is not really an option. If you don't like Gnome3 you should look into alternatives such as XFCE, KDE or LXDE (cinnamon in testing) or switch to a window manager of your liking. |
| 14:01.43 | Cyis|Work | CygniX: you mean the package files? |
| 14:01.46 | themill | CygniX: deb means that it's repository for binary packages (as opposed to source packages) |
| 14:01.59 | CygniX | oh, never mind, i was suppossed to add that to /etc/apt/source.....? |
| 14:02.23 | babilen | CygniX: Yes, I pasted an example of a correct and complete /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:02.32 | CygniX | I had ran deb http://http...... |
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| 14:02.46 | CygniX | forgive me, I am coming from suse |
| 14:03.08 | SirLagz | is there a way I can check free space of a partition without mounting said partition ? |
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| 14:04.03 | babilen | CygniX: Just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure it looks exactly like what I pasted. Then run "apt-get update" and you should be good to go. You might want to install updates by running "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". I would also recommend to actually read the chapter in the Debian Handbook I linked earlier. |
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| 14:04.47 | CygniX | babilen: thanks, your second link (http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html#sect.apt-sources.list) is very helpful |
| 14:05.15 | ChrisH | SirLagz: check your notes. I have no other idea to get that information without mounting. |
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| 14:08.24 | babilen | CygniX: Anything else we can help you with? Do you want to install a Desktop Environment or something else? Anything that you would like to configure? |
| 14:08.49 | CygniX | babilen: not yet, still try to type that list via vim |
| 14:09.01 | SirLagz | ChrisH: I would have thought there would be some way to do it... |
| 14:09.02 | CygniX | but after that, I need to install ssh |
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| 14:09.54 | babilen | CygniX: Oh, are you connected to the internet? |
| 14:10.07 | CygniX | through vnc |
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| 14:13.37 | babilen | CygniX: You could run "wget https://paste.debian.net/download/45646 -O sources.list" to download the file and then copy it to /etc/apt/sources.list with "cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" or just save it there in the first place with "wget https://paste.debian.net/download/45646 -O /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 14:16.50 | CygniX | babilen: bad certificate |
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| 14:19.27 | sharky | wget --no-check-certificate ... |
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| 14:19.59 | babilen | or s/https/http/ |
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| 14:20.24 | quinso | Is there a free program for voice chatting via skype protocol? |
| 14:20.31 | CygniX | that did it thanks, saved a lot of typing |
| 14:20.49 | quinso | I mean free as in freedom |
| 14:21.40 | sharky | quinso, skype protocol is proprietary and as far as I know closed source |
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| 14:22.29 | quinso | sharky: still, there is pidgin-skype plugin, for example, but it doesn't allow voice communication. |
| 14:22.32 | AimHere | There are equivalents for open protocols like SIP, but sadly, network effects make it hard for Skype users to switch en masse |
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| 14:32.06 | CygniX | babilen, themill, sharky, thanks a bunch, I think I am good now |
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| 14:33.04 | sharky | CygniX, ;) |
| 14:34.05 | babilen | CygniX: great |
| 14:35.11 | zxcvbn | hello, i am not very well experienced in linux.. what is system architecture? |
| 14:35.36 | CygniX | hmm 32 vs 64 bit? |
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| 14:36.18 | nevyn | zxcvbn: the instructions understood by some particular piece of hardware |
| 14:36.19 | zxcvbn | i mean system architecture from debian's point of view) |
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| 14:37.01 | jhutchins | zxcvbn: Type of processor. |
| 14:37.36 | nevyn | "System Architecture" might mean anything from type of cpu Von Newmann vs Harvard etc |
| 14:37.36 | zxcvbn | if i had previously installed debian x32, can i upgrade it to x64? |
| 14:37.51 | jelly | zxcvbn: it can mean a number of things. What's the context? |
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| 14:38.02 | jelly | zxcvbn: no, you'll have to reinstall |
| 14:38.06 | zxcvbn | will old packages remain "as is" and will new packages be installed as 64-bit applications? |
| 14:38.16 | zxcvbn | hm( |
| 14:38.38 | nevyn | zxcvbn: if you want to run a 64bit system install from amd64 installation media |
| 14:39.09 | jelly | zxcvbn: read /msg dpkg aptitude clone, which provides a way of copying the installed package set to a new installation |
| 14:39.43 | zxcvbn | but.. http://packages.debian.org/ru/sid/linux-image-amd64 <- package "linux-image" (including x64 linux kernel) is listed for both architectures, i386 and amd64 |
| 14:40.15 | zxcvbn | is running amd64 kernel on i386 system (with all old i386 packages) normal? |
| 14:40.17 | jelly | zxcvbn: that is correct, there's a 64bit kernel available for installing in the 32bit debian userspace architecture. |
| 14:40.54 | nevyn | zxcvbn: yep |
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| 14:41.02 | jelly | zxcvbn: it enables running 64bit chroot enviroments, or a multiarch setup with most of the packages being 32bit, and only a few 64bit |
| 14:41.12 | eb0t | there is no man page for export on debian |
| 14:41.31 | nevyn | if you have 4gig of memory or more you probably want to be using a 64bit kernel at a minimum |
| 14:41.45 | jelly | eb0t: export, the bash internal command? "help export" |
| 14:41.55 | eb0t | ah thanks jelly |
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| 14:42.11 | jelly | or the bash manual page. |
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| 14:42.34 | eb0t | wow...its there jelly...i was looking in the wrong place |
| 14:42.37 | nevyn | or the bash info page (pinfo makes info bearable in my view) |
| 14:43.30 | jelly | oh right, gnu |
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| 14:44.43 | zxcvbn | ow. thanks. so.. if i had x32 system before, there is no way to upgrade it to x64, like "apt-get dist-upgrade", i can switch completely only by installing new debian? if i install linux-image-amd64 on i386 architecture, all i get is new kernel for big memory and _some_ multiarch packages? |
| 14:45.05 | jelly | zxcvbn: you only get the kernel. |
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| 14:45.32 | jelly | (and with it, the _ability_ to run amd64 binaries) |
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| 14:46.09 | zxcvbn | :( |
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| 14:46.18 | zxcvbn | jelly: thanks for explanation! |
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| 14:47.26 | nevyn | zxcvbn: you could then add the amd64 arch using multiarch |
| 14:47.35 | nevyn | and instlal amd64 packages. |
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| 14:48.04 | nevyn | however I'm pretty sure they're lower priority in the default path than the "native" arch packages |
| 14:49.10 | zxcvbn | nevyn: thank you too.. i will read about it |
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| 14:50.36 | nevyn | zxcvbn: so while you can still buy x32 systems (netbooks with atom cpus) most stuff works better in amd64 (particularly greedy browsers that want huge ammouns of memory |
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| 14:52.30 | jelly | (also, x32 isn't the same thing as x86 or in debian's parlance i386) |
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| 14:52.46 | jelly | nevyn: I find greedy browsers eat a bit less memory when they're 32bit |
| 14:52.49 | nevyn | sigh.. |
| 14:53.03 | nevyn | x32 we don't support yet right? |
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| 14:53.10 | nevyn | it's only just inkernel. |
| 14:53.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. How do you pin a package _along_ with its _build_ dependencies? I want to build-dep then build a package from jessie on wheezy. |
| 14:53.28 | jelly | there was a talk about it on debconf13 I think |
| 14:53.49 | nevyn | is reminded of the TIME_T x32 "discussion" |
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| 14:55.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Maybe I should just use a chroot. |
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| 14:58.47 | Artemis3 | nevyn, x32 came way too late, if you have a modern x86 cpu, very likely has plenty of memory so you use 64 bit anyway. |
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| 15:00.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Artemis3: it's only useful for optimizing specific tasks anyway. |
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| 15:00.55 | jelly | right, X32 will likely be used for embedded systems and similar |
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| 15:04.41 | jaggz | how would I grep through the tail -f of many files, and still show the filenames? |
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| 15:05.11 | jaggz | tail shows the chunks prefaced with the filename, but piping it through grep will take only the matching lines |
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| 15:05.36 | jaggz | tail with a "prepend each line with the filename" would work. or a grep with a --follow would also solve it |
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| 15:09.02 | zxcvbn | jaggz: how about printing manually? in script |
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| 15:12.18 | mekau | How do I log out as root? |
| 15:12.24 | jhutchins | mekau: exit |
| 15:12.30 | mekau | simply doing exit just close the terminal, am still logged in as root if I open another one |
| 15:12.30 | jhutchins | mekau: logout |
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| 15:13.26 | mekau | logout tells me to use exit, and exit just closes the terminal |
| 15:13.32 | jhutchins | mekau: When you open a new one you're starting another session. |
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| 15:15.51 | nu7hatch | hi guys, do you have idea why this installer window looks like this? o_O https://www.evernote.com/shard/s359/sh/3abf6cf6-9544-4854-a241-fa8e3ece1946/2b10ca30e830afe519d1b15def211b12 |
| 15:16.05 | nu7hatch | I'm running debian stable 7.1.0 |
| 15:17.00 | jelly | nu7hatch: your terminal seems not to support UTF-8 properly |
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| 15:17.48 | nu7hatch | jelly: may it be caused by something that i screwed in preseed file? |
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| 15:18.10 | themill | !mac locales |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from an Apple Macintosh to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar). |
| 15:18.13 | jelly | nu7hatch: it's possible. What's that, virtualbox? |
| 15:18.15 | nu7hatch | jelly: because beginning of the installation looks fine, this happens only when it starts installing packages |
| 15:18.24 | nu7hatch | jelly: yeah |
| 15:18.50 | themill | oh, that's d-i not an ssh session |
| 15:18.55 | jelly | so a console; this probably shouldn't happen on a virtual console |
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| 15:30.52 | pariism | Hi. |
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| 15:33.40 | jelly | and it's not even a d-i _over_ an ssh session |
| 15:33.54 | jaggz | zxcvbn: how do you mean? |
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| 15:36.07 | theCzar | Does anyone have any ideas why not a single byte of my swap space has been used on my system yet? I'm using over 50% of my RAM, but nothing is spilling over into swap. This seems a bit strange based on my experience with other *nixes. Is this something I should be concerned about? https://gist.github.com/0x783czar/4c7bab90394e79dffbf0 |
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| 15:36.21 | s2r2 | Is it possible to do a netboot with repository data (+ the preseed) served via HTTP or TFTP? |
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| 15:36.44 | damasceno | Hello. I deleted a directory with 2 files and now my boss told me that we need this directory (I deleted as root), is there any way to recover the directory? I'm using Debian Wheezy. |
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| 15:37.04 | jax | hi! |
| 15:37.07 | s2r2 | Trying to PXE-boot the install.amd64/vmlinuz image, it complains about its cdrom not being there (true!)... trying the netboot, I wonder how to tell it where to find its packages... |
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| 15:37.15 | babilen | theCzar: looks fine to me |
| 15:37.25 | jax | when installing virtualenv it wants to install python 2.6.. i already have python 2.7 installed.. can i make it not do this? |
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| 15:38.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell jax -about bat |
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| 15:38.37 | babilen | jax: Paste, in particular, apt-cache policy output for the packages in question. |
| 15:38.59 | mtn | damasceno: you can recreate the directory. to recover the files, you can search for file recovery tools on the internet. |
| 15:39.08 | jax | checking |
| 15:39.21 | babilen | jax: (paste it to http://paste.debian.net that is) |
| 15:39.30 | jax | … ;) |
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| 15:40.23 | theCzar | babilen: alright, I guess I'm just used to seeing swap spaced used a little bit if I'm already riding that high on my physical memory. |
| 15:40.38 | damasceno | mtn: Do you know a good one? I tried once with this software Photorec but it's not good... |
| 15:40.44 | jax | hm works anyway.. i guess just some package pulled it in for some reason... |
| 15:40.45 | babilen | theCzar: I don't see why anything should be swapped if you still have plenty of free memory |
| 15:40.50 | mtn | damasceno: no, I have never tried to use one. |
| 15:40.56 | babilen | judd: why python-virtualenv python2.6 |
| 15:41.00 | judd | Packages python-virtualenv and python2.6 in wheezy/i386 are linked by 1 chains: python-virtualenv â–· python-pip â–¶ python2.6 |
| 15:41.09 | jax | ah pip pulled it in then |
| 15:41.10 | babilen | jax: But I really need to see that output in order to provide actual support. |
| 15:41.13 | nk287 | do debian run on it? http://tinyurl.com/l6dw8eq |
| 15:41.38 | jelly | babilen: emptry triangle is a recommendation, right? |
| 15:41.41 | jax | https://dpaste.de/RyZwL/ |
| 15:42.12 | babilen | jelly: exactly |
| 15:42.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell jax about raspbian |
| 15:43.04 | babilen | jax: Don't install recommends if you don't want it and use #raspbian for support as we *do not* support it in here. |
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| 15:43.22 | jax | ok, thought apt-get was a piece of debian software |
| 15:43.25 | jax | at least when i used it 100 years ago |
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| 15:43.41 | jax | thanks though, should find what i need with what you just wrote |
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| 15:44.11 | babilen | jax: We only support (pure) Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons and do not support any of its many derivatives. Good luck with your pi(e) though! |
| 15:44.21 | jax | yum ;) |
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| 15:45.58 | theCzar | babilen: yeah, I've just seen it happen before, and so I got worried that it might not be working. |
| 15:46.55 | s2r2 | hmm real problem: how can I preseed that my repo only has amd64 arch packages? (i.e. that I need "deb [arch=amd64] ..." in sources.list?) |
| 15:47.39 | jelly | s2r2: if you're installing amd64, it will be that way by default without messing with architectures in sources.list? |
| 15:48.11 | s2r2 | jelly: sure but apt-get update will fail to find a binary-i386 repo there and complain... |
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| 15:48.37 | jelly | s2r2: oh, so you're enabling multiarch from the start? |
| 15:48.52 | jelly | (why) |
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| 15:49.04 | s2r2 | jelly: I'm trying to have an amd64-only-repo in my preseeded installation.... |
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| 15:50.18 | babilen | s2r2: You don't need [arch=amd64] in your sources.list (or any of the [arch=...]) on Debian ever. This is specific to Ubuntu (and probably other derivatives) which mirrors do not carry all architectures |
| 15:50.46 | s2r2 | babilen: unfortunately, my "mirror" has no binary-i386... |
| 15:50.52 | babilen | s2r2: If you don't want to enable an architecture (multiarch-wise) then just don't enable it. |
| 15:50.59 | babilen | s2r2: Well, use a complete mirror. |
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| 15:51.24 | jax | i'm a gentoo user, we have these use flags, like -X to not install anything desktop'ish.. is there something like this in debian? |
| 15:51.28 | babilen | s2r2: Oh, this is your personal something not official mirror? |
| 15:51.33 | babilen | jax: no |
| 15:51.36 | s2r2 | babilen: ok. thanks. |
| 15:51.49 | s2r2 | babilen: yes... proprietary stuff... |
| 15:51.54 | jax | what if vim wants to install libgpm |
| 15:51.55 | s2r2 | not under my control at all |
| 15:51.58 | jax | not using a mouse |
| 15:52.31 | babilen | jax: Is that a problem? |
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| 15:53.01 | jax | would like to preserve as much space as possible |
| 15:53.02 | babilen | jax: Either way: If your system is amd64 it will access amd64 only anyway. |
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| 15:53.26 | jelly | mistab detected |
| 15:53.29 | babilen | yeah |
| 15:53.41 | babilen | s2r2: Either way: If your system is amd64 it will access amd64 only anyway. |
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| 15:54.44 | babilen | jax: It is a dependency of vim-* and you have to install it. I would be surprised if it causes a problem though given that its installed size is a whopping 80 ! |
| 15:54.56 | s2r2 | babilen: that's good news. thanks :) |
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| 15:55.17 | jax | ok, how can i find all packages that are somehow a game... |
| 15:55.18 | jax | or desktop related, like a desktop manager or something |
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| 15:55.20 | jax | i'm sure dpkg can give me a list of packages with tags |
| 15:55.35 | somiaj | jax: think of all the space you save by not having a compiler, dev libaries and source code floating around. |
| 15:55.58 | jax | well those are at least useful! :D |
| 15:56.00 | somiaj | jax: dpkg is for packages on your machine, you need apt to search the repos. debtags is a way to search packages based on tags. |
| 15:56.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell jax -about debtags |
| 15:56.12 | jax | perfect, thanks |
| 15:56.18 | babilen | jax: You should also look into axi-cache (comes with apt-xapian-index) |
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| 16:08.08 | peterrooney | jax: (a) aptitude search '~dgame' (b) gpm is miniscule and the only situation where it's not useful insurance is when your only access is remote. |
| 16:08.54 | CygniX | how can i find a repository with the latest openvpn 2.3.x ? |
| 16:09.00 | jax | trying this one now: apt-get remove --auto-remove --purge libx11-.* |
| 16:09.13 | jax | oops, wrong channel. sorry |
| 16:09.24 | somiaj | ,v openvpn |
| 16:09.26 | judd | Package: openvpn on i386 -- squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.1.3-2+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.2.1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-updates: 2.2.1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.3.2-5; sid: 2.3.2-5 |
| 16:09.30 | babilen | jax: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 16:09.59 | babilen | jax: Ah, well ... probably happy in #raspbian :) |
| 16:10.01 | jax | just need a basic webserver image with nginx/gunicorn which i can clonse :D |
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| 16:10.07 | jax | s/clonse/clone |
| 16:10.10 | jelly | peterrooney: oh yeah, I find gpm rather useful when fixing stuff over java applet remote console access |
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| 16:10.35 | CygniX | somiaj: thanks, but that doesnt tell me much. am the new guy |
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| 16:10.47 | somiaj | CygniX: in general you don't go find debian repos, usally third party ones are of poor quality. If the package is not in the main repos you may not be able to get it easily in debian. But it dpes appear that 2.3.2 is in wheezy-backports |
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| 16:11.13 | somiaj | CygniX: so if you are running wheezy you can easily get it by adding the offical wheezy-backports repo |
| 16:11.29 | CygniX | wheezy being 7.x, yes |
| 16:11.50 | somiaj | yes |
| 16:11.51 | babilen | somiaj, CygniX: Due to wise planning on my side you already have wheezy-backports enabled and you can install a package from there by running "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install $FOO" |
| 16:12.13 | CygniX | babilen: Oh ok, thanks |
| 16:12.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell CygniX about backports |
| 16:12.28 | somiaj | babilen: oh great wise man! (: |
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| 16:13.16 | CygniX | somiaj, babilen, that worked |
| 16:13.19 | Dewi | aptitude |
| 16:13.19 | CygniX | thanks |
| 16:13.25 | Dewi | oops |
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| 16:21.19 | luky | hallo i have a problem with mysql users noone cant login exept root |
| 16:22.07 | luky | always the same shit here: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'email'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 16:23.51 | somiaj | luky: is the password correct? are your users set up to be 'user'@'localhost' correctly? Or are they set up for some other host? |
| 16:23.58 | lennox | i keep getting errors on retrieving backports index file any ideas? |
| 16:24.05 | somiaj | luky: did it use to work? If so did you do anything between the time it did and now? |
| 16:24.09 | luky | yes i defined it before with skip-grant thing and also via phpmyadmin as root |
| 16:24.35 | somiaj | lennox: what errors are you getting? |
| 16:24.41 | luky | only this one |
| 16:24.50 | luky | and in postifxadmin cant connect to db |
| 16:24.52 | somiaj | lennox: you can use paste.debian.net to give the full output |
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| 16:25.02 | luky | its the full output |
| 16:25.09 | lennox | ok one second |
| 16:25.43 | luky | i created this user in phpmyadmin and said that its allowed to connect from everywhere |
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| 16:29.13 | sEdivad | hi |
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| 16:29.39 | luky | somiaj: it worked before then i decided to delete the email database because postfix wont work |
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| 16:29.48 | sEdivad | I just had a very strange crash on my debian box |
| 16:29.59 | luky | after i recreated the db with same user it said NO NO NO NO you not email user |
| 16:30.02 | lennox | hmm connection died |
| 16:30.34 | lennox | did my pastebin show up before i dc'd? |
| 16:31.06 | somiaj | lennox: nope |
| 16:31.17 | lennox | ok here it is then http://paste.debian.net/45679/ |
| 16:31.19 | sEdivad | Suddenly a ton of Knotify popups appeared and the whole computer nearly freeze, had to power it off |
| 16:31.24 | sEdivad | any ideas? |
| 16:31.31 | sEdivad | I've got the logs |
| 16:32.34 | somiaj | lennox: I see a 404 -- repo not found. It could be you didnt enter the repo in correctly in your sources.list or your mirror dosen't have a copy of wheezy-backports |
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| 16:33.07 | lennox | hmm it says it does i'll try another one |
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| 16:34.19 | somiaj | lennox: you could share a copy of your sources.list and see if there is a typo or the repo isn't written correctly |
| 16:34.27 | lennox | ok hang on |
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| 16:35.14 | lennox | http://paste.debian.net/45681/ |
| 16:36.05 | somiaj | lennox: it is just debian not debian-backports/ |
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| 16:36.30 | lennox | ok let me try that |
| 16:36.35 | somiaj | lennox: but I don't see why you are using a different mirror just for wheezy-backporst |
| 16:36.40 | somiaj | lennox: use the same mirror is my suggestion |
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| 16:37.06 | somiaj | lennox: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 16:37.09 | lennox | ok that worked thank you |
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| 16:37.20 | somiaj | lennox: you should also use 'wheezy' in your sources.list and not 'stable' |
| 16:37.32 | lennox | ok |
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| 16:38.25 | somiaj | lennox: the reason is one day in the future, stable will point at jessie. and an upgrade could catch you off guard and upgrade you to the new stable. Best to read the release notes and do it when you have time, (: |
| 16:38.58 | lennox | alrighty will do thank you |
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| 16:40.59 | john_rambo | I am using Debian 7. How do I add adsl feature to network manager under gnome3 ? |
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| 16:42.04 | nullptr | sudo apt-get purge gnome3 && sudo apt-get install xfce4 |
| 16:42.44 | john_rambo | nullptr, No way add adsl feature in gnome3? |
| 16:43.05 | nullptr | ..kidding...googling now. |
| 16:43.20 | john_rambo | Okay |
| 16:43.21 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: lucky for you, nullptr command wouldn't even work, there is no gnome3 package... |
| 16:43.32 | ezra-s | john_rambo, have you checked apt-cache search network-manager and see how many other packages come out? |
| 16:43.45 | john_rambo | checking ...... |
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| 16:44.16 | babilen | nullptr: seriously, try to offer honest advice ... Installing XFCE4 does not change the behaviour of network-manager at all |
| 16:44.25 | ezra-s | probably the pptp ones, I'm no expert though |
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| 16:44.49 | nullptr | joke...joking people. |
| 16:44.52 | nullptr | lighten up |
| 16:44.59 | ezra-s | It sucks to depend on network-manager, if it fails you're screwed |
| 16:45.06 | nullptr | I know the command wouldn't do jack....it was just a jest |
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| 16:45.20 | babilen | ezra-s: It sucks to depend on a kernel, if it fails you are screwed |
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| 16:46.17 | babilen | john_rambo: Are you sure that network-manger actually supports that? Back in the days when I actually had to configure PPPoE connections manually (that is before your router did that) I used pppoeconf to configure that. |
| 16:46.28 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: <just a guess, i don't use N-M> but do you have network-manager-pptp installed? |
| 16:46.30 | babilen | john_rambo: But then that was years before network-manager was used. |
| 16:46.50 | babilen | And yeah, network-manager-pptp looks promising. |
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| 16:47.34 | babilen | zykotick9: Damn it, I knew it is that and then read the package description. Saw "This package provides a VPN plugin for PPTP, commonly used for connecting to Microsoft VPN servers." and thought "Ah, it's not that after all" |
| 16:47.47 | babilen | zykotick9: Glad you pointed it out again ... |
| 16:47.52 | john_rambo | I have configured my dsl connections in network manager many times before .......pptp AFAIK is for vpn |
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| 16:48.08 | nullptr | I have a DSL tab in Network Manager primary windows |
| 16:48.12 | zykotick9 | babilen: isn't that the description for network-manager-vpnc? |
| 16:48.13 | babilen | john_rambo: Don't be as stupid as me and read the entire package description ;) |
| 16:48.22 | nullptr | I am using Crunchbang....which is Debian... |
| 16:48.24 | nullptr | ???? |
| 16:48.26 | babilen | zykotick9: No, it is not. |
| 16:48.31 | peaceblaster | Having a very strange issue with Debian... rfkill keeps seeing my WiFi as "hardware disabled", as does Windows, but the WiFi key is unresponsive, and I have to use this crappy bloatware in Windows called "S-Bar" to turn it on again |
| 16:48.42 | babilen | nullptr: Crunchbang is not Debian at all. (we also don't support it here) |
| 16:48.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell nullptr -about crunchbang |
| 16:49.11 | zykotick9 | babilen: ahhh, i'm not looking at the description field(s) i guess, when i use "apt-cache search foo"?? sorry my bad. |
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| 16:49.25 | nullptr | My /etc/apt/sources.list is all squeeze repos... |
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| 16:49.38 | babilen | zykotick9: I think we both agree that the package description could be improved ;) |
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| 16:50.37 | zykotick9 | notes there is also a network-manager-pptp-gnome package |
| 16:50.41 | babilen | nullptr: Crunchbang is a derivative and not Debian. It doesn't matter how they manage that, but it is not Debian. A hint should be that it is called Crunchbang and not Debian ;) -- But seriously, it's channel policy and that's the end of that discussion. |
| 16:50.53 | jelly | nullptr: yeah, but the installation image itself is heavily modified |
| 16:52.04 | twobitsprite | why does apache2 default to using /var/www as the document root when the FHS seems to say www files should go under /srv? |
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| 16:52.16 | twobitsprite | is it just historical/conventional? |
| 16:52.24 | nullptr | Google says the ADSL connection can be managed with: pppoeconf - configures PPPoE/ADSL connections |
| 16:52.42 | nullptr | Ubuntu page on using the package...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE#PPPoE_package_installation |
| 16:52.53 | somiaj | peaceblaster: hardwaredisabled, you must have a key on your laptop? It could be a funciton key plus one one standard key. |
| 16:53.03 | babilen | john_rambo: So, try installing the network-manager-pptp-gnome zykotick9 just pointed out as this is most likely the package you want. |
| 16:53.24 | john_rambo | babilen, Installing ..... |
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| 16:54.00 | peaceblaster | somiaj: I've spent a while trying to find some obscure keyboard shortcut that does it, but not even Windows will respond to the WiFi key... I tried returning the laptop as defective but they said the WiFi still works |
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| 16:54.19 | peaceblaster | it's one of those keyboards that has extra buttons above the keyboard for things |
| 16:54.38 | somiaj | peaceblaster: I have a light blue wifi symbol on my keyboard on the f8 key for that. |
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| 16:55.29 | john_rambo | babilen, Installation complete but I see no new option in NM ........reboot needed ? |
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| 16:55.43 | peaceblaster | Here's a pic of the keyboard http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kz6-SsEC_AU/UI_IShnXsSI/AAAAAAAAOSA/rf58x9p7j1w/s400/MSI%2BGE60%2B0NC-262US-1.jpg |
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| 16:55.51 | babilen | john_rambo: I'd just restart NM; "service network-manager restart" |
| 16:55.53 | somiaj | john_rambo: might just need to restart your network-manager service |
| 16:56.08 | peaceblaster | it's one of those keys not really on the keyboard =/ I've tried fn+f8 but it won't take it |
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| 16:57.37 | john_rambo | babilen, somiaj only pptp is added no sign of dsl |
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| 16:58.15 | somiaj | I see some blue symbols on a few keys, any of those look like a wifi symbol. You don't have another switch on the side that could be for the wifi. Have you seen if there is a way in your bios to default the wifi to on? If it requires some strange software to trigger a hardware switch not sure what to do. |
| 16:58.20 | somiaj | peaceblaster: ^^ |
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| 16:58.53 | bezoka | hi |
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| 16:59.02 | bezoka | how can I change my region? |
| 16:59.06 | bezoka | from poland to england? |
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| 16:59.37 | somiaj | bezoka: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 16:59.57 | peaceblaster | I didn't think of the BIOS, I'll look into that |
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| 17:00.58 | bezoka | but language |
| 17:00.59 | bezoka | ;P |
| 17:01.04 | nvteighen | ok, anyone on Jessie that uses VirtualBox: are you experiencing the failure of DKMS modules due to the last kernel upgrade (to 3.10-3)? |
| 17:01.05 | bezoka | how can I change language ;) |
| 17:01.17 | nvteighen | or am I missing something? |
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| 17:01.41 | somiaj | bezoka: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 17:02.49 | somiaj | nvteighen: welcome to testing. Have you checked the bts to see if someone has reported such an issue? |
| 17:03.16 | bezoka | somiaj: thanks ;P |
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| 17:06.48 | nvteighen | somiaj: I'm an experienced user of testing, and my experience is to first check if I did something wrong... |
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| 17:07.28 | somiaj | nvteighen: I see somone else who has your problem on the bts, but its an old report |
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| 17:08.01 | nvteighen | somiaj: bug 717308? |
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| 17:08.20 | somiaj | yea, but it doesn't seem useful. It being a few months old make me wonder if it wasn't reproducable |
| 17:08.49 | nejucomo | Hi. I want to install everything into a single logical volume (so that there's a single mountpoint for /) and I want full disk encryption. I also do not want swap. I can't tell how do do this with the console installer. |
| 17:08.52 | somiaj | nvteighen: does it build the module for your old kernel just fine still? i.e. was it an upgrade in the kernel or the dkms package that acuse the issue. |
| 17:09.11 | nvteighen | somiaj: it was the kernel upgrade... if I boot on 3.10-2, everything's fine |
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| 17:10.13 | gics | nvteighen, if i'm not wrong it's more or like what happens to nvidia driver when you upgrade kernel |
| 17:10.34 | somiaj | nvteighen: well at this point I suggest looking at the build logs and see what failed |
| 17:10.49 | gics | there should be a message telling you to re-run dkms module |
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| 17:11.12 | italian-crunchba | why do the official debian stable isos do default to gnome3 instead of asking me? I mean, even in the net-install isos I can only choose 'Graphical desktop environment' but it doesn't even say me which one is going to install |
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| 17:11.23 | gics | i'm on sid and this happen from time to time with virtualbox |
| 17:11.43 | nvteighen | hm... I didn't notice this before... reinstalling virtualbox-dkms complains for not having the kernel sources installed... |
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| 17:12.12 | gics | if so just install sources/header |
| 17:12.14 | nvteighen | my goodness... |
| 17:12.20 | mtn | italian-crunchba: you are not looking at all the options when it boots. look under advanced or expert install |
| 17:12.22 | somiaj | italian-crunchba: this is done via tasksel, there is actually options to install other desktops. It just just under additional tasks or something like that. |
| 17:12.37 | nvteighen | yes, I'll do that now... but aren't supposed to be installed automatically? |
| 17:12.47 | italian-crunchba | mtn, you saved my mood ;) |
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| 17:12.49 | gics | not source |
| 17:13.03 | nvteighen | gics: no, I mean the headers |
| 17:13.08 | mtn | italian-crunchba: good, have fun |
| 17:13.13 | nvteighen | I'm sure you only need the headers for dkms |
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| 17:13.29 | somiaj | nvteighen: depends on the package you have installed. Do you have the headers meta package or just the headers for your paticular kernel? |
| 17:13.48 | nvteighen | I know... that's what surprises me, why isn't the metapackage installed by default? |
| 17:14.02 | nvteighen | guess what: now it's working |
| 17:14.09 | somiaj | nvteighen: it really depends how you install the headers in the first place. Most howtos have you only install the headers for your running kernel |
| 17:14.22 | somiaj | nvteighen: install the linux-headers-amd64 (assuming that is what you run) headers |
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| 17:15.14 | gics | nvteighen, started without any apt-get install? Good for you ;) |
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| 17:15.51 | nvteighen | nope... not working... it has supressed only one error message :P |
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| 17:16.48 | nvteighen | ok, rebuilding DKMS... not failing yet |
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| 17:17.28 | nvteighen | yay! |
| 17:17.33 | nvteighen | ok, summary: |
| 17:17.37 | nvteighen | install new headers |
| 17:17.49 | nvteighen | reinstall dkms to get the whole thing rebuilt |
| 17:17.49 | nvteighen | :) |
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| 17:18.02 | somiaj | nvteighen: if you install the meta package it will upgrade the headers withthe kernel for you |
| 17:18.15 | nvteighen | somiaj: yes, that's the package I've installed |
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| 17:18.59 | nvteighen | now I can get back to test distros on VirtualBox :) |
| 17:19.17 | Kromitvs | Anyone knows of sites, foruns, etc, about managing a school grid in Linux (several PC's, students users, etc)? |
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| 17:22.20 | ac_slater | Hey guys, is this a good place to ask for 'debhelper' advice ? |
| 17:22.35 | ac_slater | (ie - creating debs) |
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| 17:26.15 | zykotick9 | ac_slater: you might want to try #debian-mentors on OFTC? |
| 17:26.43 | ac_slater | zykotick9, ah thanks. I've never been there. Probably worth a shot. Thanks bud. |
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| 18:08.00 | oobe | I been using mutt and msmtp to send back ups to my gmail but spent a while toying with my script and now I get an unpleasant problem Can't dotlock /home/oobe/sent. |
| 18:08.00 | oobe | Couldn't lock /home/oobe/sent |
| 18:08.48 | jelly-home | oobe: is there a leftover mutt process somewhere? |
| 18:09.25 | jelly-home | oobe: also, is /home/oobe owned and writable by yourself |
| 18:09.27 | oobe | no I looked for lsof and even rebooted |
| 18:09.44 | oobe | yea I did a chown -R oobe ~/ |
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| 18:10.36 | oobe | I can delete the file it gets recreated when I run my script and sets it as -rw------- 1 oobe oobe |
| 18:10.46 | oobe | mutt must not be able to write to it |
| 18:11.02 | oobe | or msmtp |
| 18:11.07 | DoctorWedgeworth | hey, I just ran: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d' ' -f3|xargs dpkg -P and the list of rc packages included mysql-server-5.5 5.5.25-1~dotdeb.0 (which is fine, mysql-5.1 is running from the squeeze repos). The command stopped MySQL 5.1 (and tried to purge some configuration files, not sure if the same ones). Is that a bug? |
| 18:11.19 | ggherdov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:12.32 | jelly-home | oobe: dotlock works on a file beside the mailbox, I forgot the specifics |
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| 18:13.25 | zykotick9 | DoctorWedgeworth: "if" it is a bug, i wouldn't bother reporting it - seeing as you are using dotdeb... |
| 18:13.37 | jelly-home | oobe: pastebin the output of ls -ld / /home /home/oobe /home/oobe/sent* |
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| 18:14.09 | jelly-home | oobe: (also, read the manual for mutt_dotlock, it might shed some light on the situation) |
| 18:14.47 | DoctorWedgeworth | zykotick9, it's commented out, I was trying to clean some packages up. I don't know how dpkg -P works, do they packages specify their own purge actions on installation? |
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| 18:16.56 | eli_ | Happy Birthday! Can someone recommend me a tutorial to install and setup postfix on debian wheezy? There are quite a lot around, but most of them are about debian 5.0 which is a little bit outdated.. |
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| 18:18.41 | gb | why postfix? |
| 18:19.21 | oobe | ok guys I fixed it I think I changed my muttrc to use ~/Mail/sent and it seems to be working |
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| 18:20.37 | eli_ | gb, why not? does exim has advantages? |
| 18:20.50 | zxcvbn | eli_: postfix-doc has some tutorials included, and its the best documentation i've ever seen.. you dont even need google when you have postfix-doc |
| 18:20.52 | jelly-home | gb: it works |
| 18:21.33 | gb | just curious is all i have issues with exim myself and sendmail broke under sid a while back |
| 18:21.55 | jelly-home | sendmail broke in 1996! |
| 18:22.01 | gb | hence i am wondering why postfix was chosen |
| 18:22.33 | eli_ | zxcvbn, I'm currently reading https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix but I'm a little bit "unhappy" that its just a lit of commands to enter and no explanations |
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| 18:23.54 | eli_ | gb, well, I'm on wheezy, not on sid, so things wont break ;) Serious: I chose postifx because a friend of mine who is administrating linux-based servers for quite some time now told me that he has had way more problems with exim |
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| 18:24.15 | sover | what version of debian does kali run on? |
| 18:24.20 | sover | (wheezy, sid, etc) |
| 18:24.27 | jelly-home | what is kali? |
| 18:24.34 | jelly-home | !kali |
| 18:24.34 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 18:24.41 | gb | i agree exim would not be my first choice either :) |
| 18:24.47 | jelly-home | sover: probably best to ask them. |
| 18:25.03 | eli_ | gb, hehe, but there must be some reasons why it is installed with debian as default :P |
| 18:25.03 | local | hey all. I am booted in rescure mode, because I want to change my accidently wrong shell for user root. I do "mount -o remount,rw /dev/mapper/my-root /" first, and then I do "usermod -s /bin/bash root". But when I reboot the machine the change is not propagated to the host. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to execute a command like "sync" flush or similar after the "usermod ..." command? |
| 18:25.21 | sover | jelly-home: thanks |
| 18:25.55 | jelly-home | eli_: mostly because changing the default mta is a very very tedious process since it's been done at least 2-3 times before, and exim isn't really that bad (I'm told) |
| 18:25.58 | gb | probably because e is closer to a in the alphabet then s or p :) |
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| 18:26.56 | eli_ | gb, nice :) or maybe because its installed as default its ranking in the package popularity contest is way higher, so it stays on top |
| 18:27.00 | xSmurf | guys, ever since the 3.10 upgrade in jessie the cpu is stuck in turbo and all other cpu frequencies are gone |
| 18:27.08 | xSmurf | the bright side is that turbo had never worked |
| 18:27.36 | local | or is my problem somewhere else? When rebooting the machine and checking with "cat /etc/passwd" I see that /bin/bash is used for root, but I still cannot login, because the host is trying to load "zsh" (that was my initially fault, I did "usermod -s zsh root" instead of "usermod -s /bin/zsh root" some hours ago |
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| 18:28.27 | eli_ | jelly-home, well, i will try with postfix, but i'm scared that i'll turn my machine into a spam creator. thats basically what i'm missing in the wiki on debian.org, some introduction section that defines the goals of all the commands, like: only allow mail for system users, allow a nice webconfig-tool, deny relay, etc. |
| 18:28.30 | xSmurf | the downside is that I mainly use powersave mode at 800Mhz and enjoyed the extended battery life (and probably CPU life too) |
| 18:28.30 | xSmurf | any clues? |
| 18:29.30 | jelly-home | eli_: there's a couple weeks-months of learning if you want to be a mail admin, regardless of which mta software you choose |
| 18:29.45 | local | ok, now it worked. I think I had to use "sync" before rebooting, correct? |
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| 18:31.22 | eli_ | jelly-home, sure thats wy i'm still reading and not aptitud'ing |
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| 18:37.23 | Iridos | is there a simple... dunno video editor.. something like mencoder of ffmpeg would do... all (ok, not such a small "all") I want to do is cut a certain region out of the video and turn by 90° |
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| 18:38.15 | Iridos | actually I did do with mencoder, but I think it's variable fps and so lots of frames get dropped and speed of the result varies |
| 18:38.16 | gb | local: if you shutdown properly sync should be done automagically as part of the unmounting |
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| 18:38.30 | xSmurf | sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 18:38.30 | xSmurf | performance powersave |
| 18:38.30 | xSmurf | nothing else :( |
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| 18:39.39 | local | gb: what means "shutdown properly". I did run "reboot" command, I expected that this command will correctly save all data and reboot the machine. But as I realized, it wasn't enough. Can you explain that? |
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| 18:41.44 | gb | no, cause i did not install your machine and have no clue how it has been butchered, i typically do shutdown -h now and restart |
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| 18:42.15 | babilen | xSmurf: You might want to take a look at your kernel configuration and, in particular, the output of "grep _GOV_ /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 18:42.25 | gb | but there are some differences between hot and cold starts |
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| 18:43.12 | gb | if you have printscreen keys enable you can also alt prtscr s too sync the disks |
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| 18:44.18 | gb | on production machines in locations not too secure it's usually a good idea to disable though |
| 18:44.50 | gb | do not recall if it is on in debian kernels by default |
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| 18:46.35 | ExeciN | my trackpad is super touch-sensitive. Many times I accidentally trigger a click with my palm gently touching the trackpad. Is there a way to set the touch threshold? |
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| 18:47.35 | gb | i believe there are tools for touchpads in the archives |
| 18:49.15 | gb | i found plugging in a mouse helps too |
| 18:49.27 | gb | but makes machine less portable |
| 18:50.00 | ExeciN | gb: I installed synaptiks but it doesn't have any option for touch sensitivity |
| 18:51.06 | gb | hmm mouse/touchpad settings in xfce lets you change everything |
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| 18:51.31 | ExeciN | I am also using an Xfce flavor of wheezy so I am missing many gnome packages installed by default |
| 18:52.05 | gb | i do not use gnome but have mouse and touchpad under the settings menu |
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| 18:52.47 | recall | gb: "everything" might be a bit of an exaggeration, there aren't any palm rejection settings there (at least for my ELAN touchpad) |
| 18:53.02 | gb | i stopped using nome cause it was painfully trashing my settings on a regular basis, xfce seems a lil more stable |
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| 18:53.40 | ExeciN | gb: I don't have mouse and trackpad under the settings which you can only set the speed/acceleration/primary-secondary click/scroll-direction |
| 18:53.55 | gb | you might need to try and install an extra kernel module, not sure |
| 18:54.40 | recall | ExeciN: synclient -l will show you some options and their current settings |
| 18:54.56 | gb | the sensitivity of the x0 touchpad is insane so i gave p on it and plugged in a usb mouse problem fixed |
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| 18:55.00 | ExeciN | gb: like I already said I am also using Xfce. Are you on wheezy? How did you get the mouse and trackpad settings? |
| 18:55.01 | recall | most of those don't show up in the XFCE settings |
| 18:55.36 | gb | my x0 is on wheezy but i notice some things missing from wheezy that i have in sid |
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| 18:56.37 | gb | cursoursize on sid is nice but that could also be due to insane x resolution |
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| 18:57.00 | ExeciN | recall: I can see PalmDetect = 0 there. How can I set those values? |
| 18:57.42 | babilen | ExeciN: Take a look at "man 4 synaptics" -- you want to look into PressureMotion probably and set that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf (play with synclient until you get the settings right) |
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| 18:58.29 | luky | hallo, i have postfixadmin installed on 2 machines which are almost identical, same iso installed, same sources also same tutorial for mailserver same config files with one exception: ip address and hosting provider |
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| 18:58.48 | ExeciN | I did it! I set PalmDetect to 1 and it seems to behave like it should. Will this change survive a restart? |
| 18:59.02 | luky | at the farside machine email wont work if i change the dns record back to my local machine it works without any problems. |
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| 18:59.24 | recall | ExeciN: consider yourself lucky, PalmDetect seems to do nothing on my Elan pad :) |
| 18:59.30 | luky | both are having an official ip adress |
| 18:59.40 | babilen | ExeciN: No, it does not. Create a suitable configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ like http://paste.debian.net/45715/ (adjust as needed) |
| 19:00.40 | luky | error message in postfixadmin: Unable to send email! |
| 19:00.47 | luky | can someone help me here? |
| 19:00.55 | babilen | ExeciN: And sorry for being thrown off track by your question. I genuinely thought that you ask about how to adjust the sensitivity not about how to "detect your palm" :-/ |
| 19:01.22 | ExeciN | I can just put this "synclient PalmDetect=1" to execute every time debian boots |
| 19:01.36 | babilen | luky: There is ##postfixadmin |
| 19:01.43 | luky | ok thank you |
| 19:01.58 | luky | but there is noone in |
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| 19:02.16 | babilen | ExeciN: No, you don't use synclient in there. You simply specify options directly as exemplified in my paste. Please take a look at "man 4 synaptics" if you require more extensive documentation. |
| 19:02.51 | babilen | luky: Looks as if there are at least 14 people; you could also try the postfix channel. |
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| 19:03.17 | luky | i have but no one is in |
| 19:04.37 | babilen | luky: Seriously, there are 270 people in #postfix. I would hardly call that "no one", but suit yourself. I simply wanted to point out the channels that support the software you are asking about. IRC might mean that you have to idle for a while and wait for an answer. You could also write to a mailing list if this doesn't help. |
| 19:04.53 | luky | freenode? |
| 19:05.00 | luky | i dont see anyone |
| 19:05.05 | luky | except 1 person |
| 19:05.10 | babilen | luky: Either way: We require way more information (and maybe an actual question) if you want us to help you. |
| 19:05.24 | babilen | luky: Well, you are in the wrong channel then. |
| 19:06.12 | luky | yes ok babilen do you know how to troubleshoot mail issues. iam unable to send or receive emails with my current configuration. but as i mentioned it works fine on another debian 7 box with the same config files |
| 19:06.15 | babilen | luky: I see that you are in #debian and #debian.de which would explain your problems seeing people in #postfix and ##postfixadmin ;) |
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| 19:07.10 | luky | yes, but they said that they cant predict the future |
| 19:07.26 | babilen | I don't follow ... |
| 19:07.38 | luky | oh i missunderstood sry |
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| 19:07.53 | babilen | luky: How do you try to send mail? Can you send mail with the "mail" program? How is your mailserver configured? Anything interesting in the logs? And why don't you ask in #postfix? The channel is active. |
| 19:07.54 | luky | why would that be the country a problem? |
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| 19:09.04 | luky | hm i dont understand 10 minutes ago in the #postfix channel were 0 people |
| 19:09.13 | luky | but thank you anyway |
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| 19:10.12 | babilen | See you there; They will, like us here, also require additional information about your problem and what you have tried to fix it. Use pastebin services such as http://paste.debian.net to provide relevant log files, configuration snippet or command output. |
| 19:10.34 | pederindi | Offtopic: Anyone have a Lenovo ThinkPad X130e ?? Can try to run it without battery? Thanks (I'm interested to put debian in!) |
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| 19:11.26 | jhutchins | pederindi: I take it YOU have one - why don't YOU try running it without the battery? |
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| 19:12.39 | babilen | pederindi: My thinkpad runs fine without a battery if connected to the AC fwiw |
| 19:12.51 | pederindi | jhutchins: no, I'm interested in buying one, (that's why is offtopic), but in the shops I went, I can't test it, I discover in internet: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009UE8AFE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B009UE8AFE&linkCode=as2&tag=ttr_netbooks-20#productDetails |
| 19:12.51 | babilen | pederindi: But yeah, TIAS! :) |
| 19:13.10 | babilen | pederindi: You might want to continue this discussion in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:13.11 | lazytaters | can anyone tell me how to get a "squared" symbol in Gnumeric charts? I know this isnt a debian-specific question, but for the life of me, i cant find it |
| 19:13.23 | pederindi | babilen: that's true |
| 19:13.23 | ac_slater | Hey guys, is there a proper channel for asking for help on things like build chains and makefiles ? |
| 19:13.56 | boycottg00gle | ² |
| 19:14.05 | babilen | ac_slater: ##workingset |
| 19:14.22 | ac_slater | thanks babilen |
| 19:14.33 | babilen | ac_slater: Also "/msg alis help list" |
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| 19:15.38 | sover | hi all, I'm getting some weird issues where upon boot, debian displays "Buffer I/O error on /dev/sda" followed by "timeout: killing '/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sda1" |
| 19:15.42 | tracphil | Is there a way to install a package and not have the package configuration scripts run, if any? |
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| 19:15.57 | sover | booting into a live cd or usb and running fsck shows clean partitions |
| 19:16.07 | jhutchins | tracphil: Which package, and why? |
| 19:16.15 | lazytaters | thanks boycottg00gle, is there a code or something? or just a copy and paste type dealy? |
| 19:16.47 | sover | Any ideas on where to start? |
| 19:17.03 | tracphil | jhutchins: libnss-ldap, because I want to automate it with saltstack. |
| 19:18.06 | jhutchins | sover: That sounds like it's trying to get the UUID on sda1 but is unable to. You might be able to reconfigure using dev names instead of UUID. |
| 19:18.34 | sover | jhutchins: where would this reconfiguration take place? I'm seeing this error on boot |
| 19:18.35 | jhutchins | tracphil: What configuration steps does it take when you install it? |
| 19:19.05 | tracphil | it configures /etc/nsswitch.conf, /etc/pam.d/common-auth and /etc/nslcd.conf automatically to work correctly |
| 19:19.37 | jhutchins | tracphil: So make copies of those files and copy them back. |
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| 19:20.16 | tracphil | jhutchins: so if I just install via aptitude without a term the scripts will not try to run? |
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| 19:21.16 | tracphil | jhutchins: a curses dialog comes up that asks for config info and thought aptitude might have a way to not run it. |
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| 19:21.47 | jhutchins | tracphil: No, it will still run in aptitude. I don't know of a way to prevent dpkg-configure from running. |
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| 19:21.58 | jhutchins | tracphil: If it doesn't run, it's going to fail the install. |
| 19:22.25 | sover | jhutchins: I've been able to boot into the livecd via USB, but when I install, the error message appears, which is very sad :( |
| 19:23.05 | sover | The LiveUSB is able to mount, read, write to the drive cleanly, but when trying to boot to a local install, chokes |
| 19:23.07 | jhutchins | tracphil: It might be a good idea if you could do that, defer configuration, but I don't know of a way. |
| 19:23.07 | tracphil | jhutchins: that is what I thought, I think mysql pops up dialog asking for the root password, let me see if there is a salt state for that to see how it is being done. |
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| 19:24.05 | jhutchins | sover: You would boot to the live CD, mount the volume with /esc on it, and edit /etc/fstab |
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| 19:24.44 | sover | jhutchins: gotcha. What modification to fstab would I make? I've modified fstab a good bit in the past |
| 19:24.45 | jhutchins | sover: I don't know why this would be happening though. |
| 19:25.04 | sover | jhutchins: if it counts for anything…the hardware is less than open |
| 19:25.16 | jhutchins | sover: REconfigure it to use /dev/sda1 instead of UUID=............... |
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| 19:25.57 | sover | jhutchins: that makes sense. I'm working on this year's Macbook Air, and following online resources, but this problem seems to be unique to this year's model |
| 19:26.40 | jhutchins | sover: Could also be a UEFI problem. |
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| 19:26.40 | jhutchins | !macbook |
| 19:26.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
| 19:26.55 | sover | !macbookair |
| 19:26.55 | dpkg | The MacBook Air is an ultraportable laptop series produced by Apple Inc. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookAir . See also <laptop>. |
| 19:27.27 | boycottg00gle | lazytaters: the ² was meant for copy paste. depending on your keyboard config you can press ^ and then 2 to get ² |
| 19:27.27 | sover | jhutchins: maybe; I'm using refit, so it's able to hop into grub and grub is starting the boot |
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| 19:27.54 | boycottg00gle | lazytaters: i think it is called dead keys |
| 19:28.34 | tracphil | jhutchins: looks like saltstack already thought of this by using debconf.set in the salt state https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/salt-users/H6KMET5hBws |
| 19:29.36 | jhutchins | tracphil: So problem solved? |
| 19:30.02 | tracphil | jhutchins: problem solved! |
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| 19:33.30 | JmZ | erm |
| 19:33.37 | JmZ | can a user chown their own file to another user? |
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| 19:34.35 | jhutchins | JmZ: Try it. |
| 19:34.56 | jhutchins | touch foo; chown otheruser foo |
| 19:35.18 | JmZ | nope then ._. |
| 19:35.28 | boycottg00gle | afs? |
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| 19:35.39 | JmZ | what if its chmod 777, i copy it and delete the old one, jhutchins? |
| 19:35.48 | jhutchins | JmZ: Only root can do that. |
| 19:35.54 | ferringb | if one is looking for some help for debhelper and debian/rules, what's the best channel? |
| 19:36.00 | JmZ | D: |
| 19:36.05 | xand | JmZ: only root can make files belonging to someone else |
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| 19:36.22 | JmZ | i cant even delete a 777 file then? |
| 19:36.32 | jhutchins | JmZ: Yes, you can delete it. |
| 19:36.34 | JmZ | copy it so the copy is my own and delete the original.. |
| 19:36.37 | boycottg00gle | xand: imho not always true |
| 19:36.59 | jhutchins | JmZ: Trying this does what? |
| 19:36.59 | xand | boycottg00gle: ... |
| 19:37.11 | xand | (only a process running as root) |
| 19:37.18 | JmZ | jhutchins: works i imagine |
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| 19:37.37 | boycottg00gle | xand: i think afs allowed it? |
| 19:37.42 | jhutchins | JmZ: Why imagine? Try! |
| 19:37.54 | xand | boycottg00gle: it is a huge security hole to allow it. |
| 19:38.06 | xand | and that isn't a linux/debian FS ;p |
| 19:38.08 | JmZ | jhutchins: why? it clearly works |
| 19:38.26 | boycottg00gle | !openafs |
| 19:38.27 | dpkg | The Andrew File System (AFS) is a distributed network file system primarily used in distributed computing. The open source AFS implementation 'OpenAFS' is packaged for Debian. http://www.openafs.org/ #openafs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:38.29 | lazytaters | boycottg00gle, thanks very much |
| 19:39.06 | boycottg00gle | xand: but i might be wrong here |
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| 19:42.47 | censor | hi all, i'm currently running "jessie/sid" on my server, and since last reboot (kernel 3.2.0 -> 3.10) my SSD has gotten _really_ slow, i get roughly 30MByte/s in hdparm's -t test |
| 19:43.28 | censor | it used to run really snappy with read/write rates >200MByte/s, and i only noticed because the import of a mysql dump is taking ages |
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| 19:46.48 | dbast_ | censor, can you confirm that by booting the old kernel? |
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| 19:47.25 | sjhill | whoa |
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| 19:48.26 | sjhill | I have been hearing some rumours about Debian perhaps dropping mips/mipsel support. Can anyone comment on that? |
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| 19:49.09 | no_gravity | Wow, I just noticed, that fail2ban seems to only blocks |
| 19:49.29 | no_gravity | Wow, I just noticed, that fail2ban seems to only block the port an attacker tried to use (for example ssh) but all other ports remain open to the attacker. |
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| 19:51.53 | censor | dbast_ i'll try, but i'll be offline as that's also my router |
| 19:51.55 | tracphil | \q |
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| 19:52.37 | censor | dbast_ for your amusement: Timing buffered disk reads: 30 MB in 3.27 seconds = 9.19 MB/sec |
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| 19:52.46 | riceandbeans | when working with perl, is it better to apt-get install libdbd-pg-perl or cpan DBD::Pg ? |
| 19:52.52 | dbast_ | censor, strange |
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| 19:55.10 | dbast_ | censor, does it get faster after doing a fstrim run and waiting about 5 minutes? |
| 19:56.15 | jhutchins | no_gravity: I think you misunderstand what constitutes an "open port". |
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| 19:56.52 | riceandbeans | when working with perl, is it better to apt-get install libdbd-pg-perl or cpan DBD::Pg ? |
| 19:57.13 | no_gravity | jhutchins: what do you mean? |
| 19:57.46 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: If you can keep everything within dpkg that makes management easier, but if you stray into stuff that's not debian packaged you might as well use cpan. |
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| 19:59.38 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: this is debian packaged |
| 19:59.46 | riceandbeans | I mention package name |
| 19:59.54 | dmacks | Do feature-requests for dpkg (the program itself) go to debian-devel@lists.debian, or is there a web-based system to use? |
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| 20:00.09 | riceandbeans | usually with ruby I us gem because debian is bad at packaging ruby gems |
| 20:00.17 | riceandbeans | but perl they tend to be better with usually |
| 20:00.32 | riceandbeans | I'll try to do it with apt |
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| 20:04.14 | cens0r | i'll reboot it, brb |
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| 20:06.05 | jhutchins | riceandbeans: Do it with apt until you hit something where you can't. |
| 20:07.00 | riceandbeans | jhutchins: on that note, if there is a ruby gem that is NOT packaged in debian, what could I do to become the package maintainer and bring it in |
| 20:07.08 | riceandbeans | also to freshen the rubygems in debian |
| 20:07.47 | ompaul | !mentor |
| 20:07.47 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 20:08.11 | sover | jhutchins: just edited the fstab file, trying to boot now |
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| 20:09.00 | censor | dbast_ looks like i spoke to soon, only getting 12MB/s under 3.2.0, too |
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| 20:09.06 | Glorf | hi |
| 20:09.08 | jhutchins | sover: Oh, good luck! |
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| 20:09.17 | jhutchins | sover: Did you check the wiki? |
| 20:09.36 | Glorf | i'm having some problem with grep ... |
| 20:09.41 | jhutchins | I ought to try debianppc on my old G4. |
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| 20:10.24 | sover | jhutchins: the debian wiki? |
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| 20:10.54 | Glorf | i'm trying to exclude line from my file matching pattern1 ; pretty easy to do it with grep -v. But i would like to keep the line where pattern1 is matched AND pattern2. |
| 20:10.55 | Glorf | Any idea ? |
| 20:11.14 | jhutchins | sover: Yeah, the link for the macbookair from dpkg earlier. |
| 20:11.23 | jhutchins | !macbookair |
| 20:11.23 | dpkg | The MacBook Air is an ultraportable laptop series produced by Apple Inc. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookAir . See also <laptop>. |
| 20:11.23 | sover | !macbookair |
| 20:11.48 | sover | yes, it's one generate out of date :( |
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| 20:12.05 | jhutchins | sover: Well, it's a wiki, so once you figure it out... |
| 20:12.16 | sover | haha fair nuff |
| 20:12.36 | sover | this is particularly difficult because I'm trying to use a platform built on Debian (Kali Linux) |
| 20:12.39 | sover | on the macbook air |
| 20:12.41 | jhutchins | What takes the place of smartmontools for RAID? |
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| 20:12.54 | sover | I haven't touched raid |
| 20:13.07 | diytto | how can i install packages from a list file |
| 20:13.26 | diytto | i made a package list backup so i could reinstall the packages |
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| 20:13.57 | sover | could loop through them, lol; sure there is a better way |
| 20:14.31 | diytto | there's a way with aptitude but i don't rmember how to od it |
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| 20:14.42 | dbast_ | censor, so it is something else… what sata controller and ssd is it? |
| 20:14.43 | sover | apt-get install $(while read package; echo "$package "; done < package-list.txt) |
| 20:14.47 | sover | please don't do that |
| 20:15.26 | sover | ah, looks like you can do |
| 20:15.40 | jhutchins | !apt clone |
| 20:15.48 | sover | diytto: aptitude install $(< package-list.txt) |
| 20:15.54 | censor | dbast_ SSD is a Samsung 830 128GB, controller is a ... "JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362 SATA" according to lspci |
| 20:15.55 | sover | one-per-line |
| 20:16.01 | diytto | okay let me try it |
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| 20:16.14 | censor | dbast_ but keep in mind that it worked perfectly fine until the reboot last night |
| 20:16.14 | jhutchins | !apt-clone |
| 20:16.14 | dpkg | i guess apt-clone is a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. For use with squeeze, ask me about <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:17.00 | diytto | sover: that doesn't work |
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| 20:17.13 | sover | on older versions of bash |
| 20:17.15 | sover | may have to |
| 20:17.28 | sover | aptitude install $(cat list-of-packages.txt) |
| 20:17.42 | zykotick9 | diytto: you may also be interested to see <aptitude clone> and <debian clone> |
| 20:17.53 | diytto | well the package list goes <package> install |
| 20:18.11 | jhutchins | ~ |
| 20:18.14 | jhutchins | "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 20:19.19 | bucketm0use | how do I extract .gz files on Debian? |
| 20:19.20 | sover | ah, sorry diytto, I'm more familiar with apt-get |
| 20:19.27 | sover | tar xzvf file.tar.gz |
| 20:19.31 | sover | oh, just gz, sory |
| 20:19.34 | sover | gunzip file.gz |
| 20:19.54 | bucketm0use | ah, yes, thank you sover |
| 20:20.00 | sover | jhutchins: so editing fstab had a weird effect |
| 20:20.06 | diytto | jhutchins: i get this error: dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 240: ttf-dejavu-core |
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| 20:20.16 | sover | bucketm0use: np :) |
| 20:20.18 | diytto | same for every package |
| 20:20.29 | sover | diytto: apt-get update? |
| 20:20.55 | sover | jhutchins: rather, it had a weird lack of effect. After rebooting, it still errored, looking for the device by UUID, even though I specifically commented it out of fstab and defined it by /dev/sda5 location |
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| 20:21.16 | dev11 | where is php5-fpm configuration file on debian 7? |
| 20:21.21 | jhutchins | diytto: pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:21.26 | diytto | okay hold on |
| 20:21.36 | jhutchins | sover: How's it defined in grub? |
| 20:21.45 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 20:21.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:22.50 | jhutchins | !sources.list |
| 20:22.50 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:22.58 | sover | jhutchins: would it be in /etc/grub.d/? |
| 20:23.18 | jhutchins | sover: yes, grub.cfg I think. |
| 20:23.23 | diytto | jhutchins: http://pastie.org/8352781 |
| 20:23.30 | jhutchins | sover: Don't change it there though, change it in /etc/defaults/grub. |
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| 20:24.29 | jhutchins | diytto: I meant /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:24.34 | diytto | oh |
| 20:24.39 | diytto | why? |
| 20:24.41 | diytto | hold on |
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| 20:24.52 | sover | jhutchins: it doesn't say, but it has a line #Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to nix |
| 20:25.09 | diytto | http://pastie.org/8352791 |
| 20:25.25 | sover | jhutchins: it looks like it doesn't have defined lines, but instead loops through on boot looking for bootable partitions |
| 20:25.38 | Glorf | i'm trying to exclude line from my file matching pattern1 ; pretty easy to do it with grep -v. But i would like to keep the line where pattern1 is matched AND pattern2. |
| 20:26.04 | jhutchins | diytto: You could just delete that entry from the file. |
| 20:26.16 | diytto | which entry |
| 20:27.18 | jhutchins | diytto: You should know better. -> #ubuntu |
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| 20:27.28 | jhutchins | diytto: They can tell you why that package isn't found. |
| 20:27.49 | diytto | it's the same package system |
| 20:27.59 | diytto | i'm moving from debian |
| 20:28.22 | diytto | all i need to know is what parameters to use with aptitude to use my packages list |
| 20:28.35 | jhutchins | diytto: This is yet another example of why debian is not ubuntu. We can't help you install ubuntu. |
| 20:28.49 | diytto | i'm not installing ubuntu? |
| 20:29.06 | diytto | i'm on a ubuntu server, the packaging system is exactly the same |
| 20:29.11 | nk287 | debian has newer kernel then ubuntu |
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| 20:29.20 | jhutchins | diytto: Just because aptitude has the same name in both distros and does a similar job doesn't mean it's the same software, and the arrangement of repositories is definitely different. |
| 20:29.27 | riceandbeans | ubuntu is a commercial distro that shouldn't be mentioned here |
| 20:29.30 | nully | diytto: This is #debian |
| 20:29.43 | nully | diytto: Did you think this was a different channel? |
| 20:29.44 | riceandbeans | it's a disgraceful disfigurement of debian |
| 20:29.55 | diytto | no |
| 20:29.59 | diytto | i am in #debian |
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| 20:30.02 | nully | Not only is riceandbeans a good side dish, they are right. |
| 20:30.03 | riceandbeans | and leads to misclassification of people saying 'i use debian' when they use ubuntu |
| 20:30.16 | riceandbeans | I hate that |
| 20:30.28 | sover | jhutchins: having the same problem, even when referring to device by /dev/sda5 |
| 20:30.32 | nully | `I use a userspace owned by google an amazon, same thing as Debian, right?' |
| 20:30.41 | sover | both in /etc/fstab and on grub bootline |
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| 20:30.58 | diytto | i had this exact same issue on my debian server |
| 20:30.58 | sover | it's like it's not mounding the entire /dev/sda device properly |
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| 20:31.02 | jhutchins | sover: I don't know where to tell you to look, I haven't worked with linux-on-mac since ~2008. |
| 20:31.09 | diytto | it's not a problem specific to ubuntu |
| 20:31.26 | xand | diytto: you're missing the point. |
| 20:31.27 | jhutchins | diytto: Yes, in fact, it is EXACTLY a problem specific to ubuntu. |
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| 20:31.28 | sover | jhutchins: understand; can we perhaps troubleshoot the connection between boot and the actual SSD? |
| 20:31.34 | xand | we don't want to help ubuntu users, so please go away. |
| 20:31.51 | cpp1 | diytto: why don't you try and ask the ubuntu community? |
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| 20:32.09 | jhutchins | diytto: The problem exists because ubuntu USES DIFFERENT PACKAGES!!! |
| 20:32.12 | nully | diytto: The package system is not `excactly' the same. |
| 20:32.14 | diytto | jhutchins: the fact that this exact same error occured when doing the exact same process on a debian server does not imply it is a ubuntu specific problem |
| 20:32.24 | nully | and /ignore yay <3 |
| 20:32.46 | sover | diytto: it's a repository-specific problem |
| 20:32.57 | diytto | except that it's not |
| 20:33.02 | sover | #debain isn't going to help you with missing packages in ubuntu's repo |
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| 20:33.12 | diytto | i had this same issue yesterday switching debian servers |
| 20:33.16 | jhutchins | sover: nully's right, we need to jus tstop responding. |
| 20:33.28 | sover | ok |
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| 20:33.39 | nully | Yep it can be hard sometimes >.> |
| 20:33.45 | nully | But someone is wrong on the internet noooooo! |
| 20:34.25 | sover | but I don't think it's too late to explain the part he doesn't understand xD |
| 20:34.32 | jhutchins | I'll bet if he asked in #ubuntu he'd get an answer. |
| 20:34.49 | diytto | i'll bet i wouldn't |
| 20:35.14 | sover | yeah, guess not. with that mentality, suppose nully and jhutchins are right |
| 20:35.17 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: i wouldn't recommend putting money on that bet ;) |
| 20:35.17 | sover | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.21 | diytto | there are far too many users in #ubuntu for it to be a really viable resource |
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| 20:41.14 | jhutchins | diytto: That's like saying too many people use the Chevy dealer for service, so I'm taking my Chevy to Ford. |
| 20:41.18 | peterrooney | diytto: that notion is probably untrue, and definitely irrelevant. |
| 20:41.40 | diytto | no, there's too many people chatting for small questions to be answered efficiently |
| 20:42.04 | jhutchins | diytto: That doesn't mean they can be asked here instead, debian is a different system. |
| 20:42.27 | diytto | bash is pretty universal though, and that is the majority of questions i ask about |
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| 20:43.18 | jhutchins | diytto: It's not a bash problem. You could TRY asking in #ubuntu. |
| 20:43.32 | diytto | i already fixed my problem on my own |
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| 20:43.45 | diytto | i really don't like #ubuntu |
| 20:44.10 | jhutchins | diytto: #bash |
| 20:44.49 | jhutchins | diytto: You should also be aware that there are differences in the shells on debian and ubuntu. |
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| 20:45.10 | diytto | such as? |
| 20:45.18 | nully | diytto: for real, #bash ..... |
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| 20:45.52 | nully | sover: oopsies =P |
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| 20:57.47 | Smashingx | hi guys, I just got a problem. Suddenly I don't know what happened to my system but it's stuck in the first screen after I turned on my computer where it says GRUB loading... It doesn't do anything after that |
| 20:57.51 | Smashingx | what should I do? |
| 20:58.44 | joltcan | Smashingx: disabled efi boot in bios (set it to legacy or something) and then mine booted. But that was on a re-install |
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| 20:59.07 | Smashingx | I installed grub on sda and sda1 |
| 20:59.18 | Smashingx | I was wonderig if that caused my system to break |
| 21:02.00 | jetscreamer | no |
| 21:02.32 | zykotick9 | !efi |
| 21:02.33 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 21:05.05 | Smashingx | but if it was booting before, I don't think that is the problem |
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| 21:05.23 | Smashingx | I mean, I haven't check the BIOS but if it was booting with no problems before |
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| 21:05.55 | Smashingx | also, this PC is not that new so I don't think that even has that problem |
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| 21:07.36 | rryoumaa | of all of the dict clients, which command line ones are most used? (i still haven't figured out how to provide a /set/ of package names to popularity contest) |
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| 21:08.42 | jhutchins | Smashingx: You need to boot to a live CD or something and check the drives. grub is not able to read the rest of it's program. |
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| 21:08.56 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 21:08.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 21:11.11 | jetscreamer | how do i keep it from turning the numlock off every time linux starts up |
| 21:11.25 | jhutchins | jetscreamer: That's often set in the BIOS. |
| 21:12.11 | jetscreamer | yes. and every time linux starts up, it turns the numlock off. |
| 21:12.23 | zykotick9 | ZIPY: try opening address bar (ctrl+n i believe) and typing sftp://ADDRESS-YOU-WANT |
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| 21:14.03 | Smashingx | jhutchins: that the folder /target should be? |
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| 21:16.20 | Smashingx | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!. |
| 21:16.25 | Smashingx | :( |
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| 21:16.43 | Smashingx | when I did this: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/radicula /dev/sda |
| 21:16.57 | jetscreamer | here it is |
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| 21:17.19 | jetscreamer | /etc/kbd/config # Turn on numlock by default #LEDS=+num |
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| 21:19.10 | jetscreamer | see also numlockx but that's just an X thing |
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| 21:23.47 | rryoumaa | i seem to have broken dict. i did "dict thorough" and got a lot of definitions. then "aptitude install edict dict-devil" and "dict thorough" stopped giving any definitions. then |
| 21:24.01 | rryoumaa | then i purged those and it /still/ fails to give definitions |
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| 21:24.09 | codygman | I'm getting the error: 'groups: cannot find name for group ID 999 |
| 21:24.09 | codygman | 999' |
| 21:24.24 | rryoumaa | so installing and purging seem /not/ to be opposite operations in debian :( |
| 21:24.34 | codygman | when I run the id command there is a 999 at the end for some reason |
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| 21:28.22 | jhutchins | codygman: What other groups does it show? |
| 21:28.49 | codygman | jhutchins: cody cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev scanner bluetooth vboxusers groups: cannot find name for group ID 999 |
| 21:28.53 | codygman | I can't add groups either |
| 21:29.01 | codygman | I can't add myself to groups* |
| 21:29.06 | rryoumaa | indeed i confirmed this by purging dictd. why did purging edict and dict-devil NOT remove dictd? it was automatically installed. |
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| 21:29.57 | Su7 | Hi guys |
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| 21:30.17 | Su7 | I tried on #samba but nobody seems to exactly know |
| 21:30.29 | jetscreamer | so had to edit a file to have the numlock turned 'back' on after linux turns it off on_boot, then install numlockx and have it run to have the numlock 'remain' on when gdm starts up... somebody somewhere doesn't like the numlock |
| 21:30.46 | Su7 | do you know if there's a way I can add a samba user without having to add a UNIX user on my Ebian samba server ? |
| 21:30.49 | Su7 | thanks ! |
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| 21:31.01 | jetscreamer | or, i 'think' i can recompile the kernel and have it 'be' on.. i forget. |
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| 21:31.13 | jetscreamer | i want my money back... |
| 21:32.13 | jetscreamer | did you try dpkg's samba links, Su7? |
| 21:32.16 | jhutchins | codygman: Run vigr as root. |
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| 21:32.33 | Su7 | nope jetscreamer |
| 21:32.36 | codygman | jhutchins: did |
| 21:32.37 | Su7 | !dpkg samba |
| 21:32.38 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 21:32.50 | Su7 | oh wait, then yes. |
| 21:32.52 | jetscreamer | !tell su7 -abou... nevermind. |
| 21:32.53 | jhutchins | codygman: Then you found & fixed your problem. |
| 21:33.26 | codygman | jhutchins: huh? I still have the problem. There is no id of 999 in that list. |
| 21:33.37 | Su7 | well it seems it's not possible actually, but I just can't believe that. |
| 21:33.56 | Su7 | I mean a UNIX user for each Windows client would be a nonsense. |
| 21:33.57 | jetscreamer | i would think it would be but i dunno |
| 21:34.02 | jetscreamer | tyep |
| 21:34.24 | jhutchins | codygman: What list? The groups file? |
| 21:35.08 | codygman | jhutchins: groups file doesn't have 999 either. I'm not sure where the 'groups' command is getting it from. I am still getting the errorthough. |
| 21:35.30 | jhutchins | codygman: Ever hear of "shadow passwords"? |
| 21:35.41 | codygman | jhutchins: Yes |
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| 21:36.05 | jhutchins | waits for the penny to drop... |
| 21:36.44 | codygman | jhutchins: Sorry, I guess I'm a bit slow. So their is a shadow group? All I know is that when I ran group previously it never had 999 in it. |
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| 21:37.29 | rryoumaa | why did purging edict and dict-devil, which automatically install dictd, NOT remove dictd? |
| 21:37.38 | jhutchins | codygman: Check the vigr manpage. |
| 21:37.53 | jetscreamer | try apt-get autoremove iirc |
| 21:38.03 | jetscreamer | oh wait nvm |
| 21:38.21 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: Which tool did you use? |
| 21:38.35 | jetscreamer | i might suggest such a thing if i knew what i was talking about though |
| 21:38.44 | rryoumaa | jetscreamer: "aptitude install" and "aptitude purge" |
| 21:38.54 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: ^ |
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| 21:39.08 | jetscreamer | how dare you have a name that starts with a j |
| 21:39.16 | jetscreamer | oh wait, how dare i |
| 21:39.24 | codygman | jhutchins: I see the -s option. My user id is 1000 though. Are you saying I should change my default group to 999? |
| 21:39.36 | jetscreamer | i'm sure he isn't |
| 21:39.45 | jhutchins | codygman: I think you're a member of a group that doesn't exist. |
| 21:40.19 | jhutchins | codygman: No, sorry, no numbers in gshadow. |
| 21:40.25 | jetscreamer | 1000 is the start of the user ones though, isn't anything < 100 a system thing? |
| 21:40.34 | jetscreamer | err <1000 |
| 21:40.35 | jhutchins | codygman: if you do vipw is there a 999 associated with your username? |
| 21:40.51 | codygman | jhutchins: No, 1000 is. |
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| 21:41.22 | jhutchins | codygman: Well, I suppose you could assign 999 a name in /etc/group and see what happens then. |
| 21:41.41 | jhutchins | codygman: I'm not sure where it's coming from if it's in niether group or passwd. |
| 21:42.18 | jhutchins | codygman: They aren't numerically sorted - you're sure you scrolled to the end of the file? |
| 21:42.28 | jhutchins | search for 999? |
| 21:42.42 | codygman | jhutchins: using vim i searched for 999 |
| 21:43.08 | jhutchins | codygman: You're not using NIS or AD? |
| 21:43.20 | codygman | jhutchins: since I'm not sure what those are I will say no. |
| 21:43.28 | jhutchins | ...or winbind? |
| 21:43.48 | jetscreamer | active directory |
| 21:43.51 | codygman | not sure what that is, but ps aux | grep says no |
| 21:43.57 | jhutchins | codygman: Have you rebooted since this problem first appeared? |
| 21:44.08 | codygman | jhutchins: No, I haven't rebooted yet |
| 21:44.46 | jhutchins | codygman: Ah! Perhaps you have cached a membership in a group which no longer exists! Logging out and back in might solve it! |
| 21:44.48 | jetscreamer | ah no i meant users are assigned id's >=1000 ... 100 is the group 'users''s gid |
| 21:45.12 | codygman | jhutchins: Hmm, I did just uninstall something that had it's own user. Perhaps it is cached. |
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| 21:47.58 | codygman | jhutchins: That fixed it. For reference I uninstalled bumblebee and reinstalled it. I'm not sure why that was cached? |
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| 21:48.06 | codygman | jhutchins: any ideas on how I got into that state? |
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| 21:51.04 | jhutchins | codygman: You get your groups when you first log in; that's why you have to log out and back in when you add yourself to one. |
| 21:51.33 | jhutchins | codygman: So when you logged in you were a member of 999:bumblebe, but then that went away. |
| 21:51.41 | codygman | jhutchins: Alright, good to know. |
| 21:51.50 | codygman | I like knowing the reason, lol. |
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| 22:10.33 | codygman | Switching between my external display and laptop display does not work. For some reason when I can see a copy of my laptop display in the external display until I turn it off (xrandr --output eDP1 --off). So to switch from my external display I have to use this script I wrote: http://sprunge.us/EfAH Anyone know why this is a problem? |
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| 22:52.55 | mislav | Since todays upgrade I can't get X to start. It says "no screens found". Looking at /var/log/Xorg, it seems like it never attempts to load radeon module. |
| 22:53.03 | lobi | hello. when I try to install new pack. I get this msg. Please insert the disk labeled: |
| 22:53.06 | lobi | Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20130505-16:25 |
| 22:53.09 | lobi | in drive /media/cdrom/ |
| 22:53.19 | mislav | lobi: Remove CD from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:56.28 | reavengr1y | ,v mysql-workbench |
| 22:56.29 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on i386 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 5.2.47+dfsg-3; sid: 6.0.7+dfsg1-1 |
| 22:56.46 | reavengr1y | ,v mysql-workbench --arch=amd64 |
| 22:56.47 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 5.2.47+dfsg-3; sid: 6.0.7+dfsg1-1 |
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| 22:57.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:58.55 | codygman | Would you guys recommend jessie for a developement OS? Is it stable like testing was last year? I know after the wheezy transition things were in flux. |
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| 22:59.36 | mislav | codygman: anything more stable than sid is too obsolete for development |
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| 23:00.12 | codygman | mislav: Really? I just mean for web development type stuff. |
| 23:00.24 | mislav | codygman: Ah, then it doesn't really matter ;) |
| 23:00.26 | abrotman | codygman: a) ignore mislav b) it depends on your package set |
| 23:01.29 | codygman | abrotman: I don't really need much besides firefox, emacs, git and general laptop functions like suspend and external monitor support. |
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| 23:02.03 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 23:02.22 | codygman | abrotman: All that I can think of I guess :D |
| 23:02.44 | codygman | abrotman: Oh... duh.. python2.7 stack. |
| 23:02.59 | abrotman | codygman: yes, so things aren't probably completely stable at teh moment .. You could develop in a chroot so your actual functional system doesn't fail to boot Xorg once a week |
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| 23:03.10 | mislav | Caution: If you have radeon card and rely on X module autodetection, current sid will break stuff cause xserver-xorg-video-ati is uninstallable kthnxbai; time to reboot.... |
| 23:03.57 | codygman | abrotman: I get the feeling things are going to keep popping up. Boot fails due to xorg aren't something I want. lol I guess I need to just be okay with dual booting steam. |
| 23:04.16 | codygman | seeing as everything else is perfect |
| 23:04.17 | abrotman | codygman: so install stable, use testing in a chroot |
| 23:04.28 | abrotman | isn't sure what steam has to do with development |
| 23:04.34 | codygman | abrotman: Oh, how would I do that? |
| 23:04.41 | codygman | abrotman: it's the compiling time passer :D |
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| 23:04.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell codygman about chroot |
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| 23:05.13 | abrotman | codygman: also note, if you're doing webdev for a large depployment, you sohuld be tracking your release OS, not some moving target |
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| 23:08.28 | codygman | abrotman: Thanks. Also should I look at debbootstrap or pbuilder? |
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| 23:11.33 | skrator | Hi guys, on which file should I put the commands to open programs during initialization? |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | initialization of what? |
| 23:11.57 | skrator | (after login) |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | codygman: deboostrap should work |
| 23:12.12 | skrator | abrotman: I meant after I login |
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| 23:12.52 | abrotman | login to what? |
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| 23:13.27 | skrator | abrotman: log into my user on the debian |
| 23:13.42 | abrotman | waits |
| 23:14.09 | skrator | I think I was not clear, let me refrase it |
| 23:15.07 | lobi | hello. when I try to install qemu-kvm and I get this error E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcc1_1%3a4.7.2-5_amd64.deb: pre-dependency problem - not installing libgcc1:amd64 |
| 23:15.10 | skrator | I want xpad (an application) to open when I login. I'm using debian |
| 23:15.30 | abrotman | skrator: login to what? console? gnome? kde? cde? |
| 23:15.39 | skrator | abrotman: gnome3 |
| 23:16.20 | zykotick9 | skrator: didn't get your answer in #ubuntu, so trying here eh? |
| 23:16.28 | pirret | why not? |
| 23:16.32 | skrator | zykotick9: got me XD |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | because Ubuntu is not Debian, and not supported here |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | lobi: what are the predepends, which one isn't installed? |
| 23:17.11 | skrator | zykotick9: actually I asked there first because I use it frequently (I'm an ubuntu user) |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | skrator: so ask #ubuntu |
| 23:17.31 | abrotman | if you're using Ubuntu |
| 23:17.39 | skrator | zykotick9: but my girlfriend is the one having trouble with initialization, and she uses gnome 3 debian |
| 23:17.50 | mtn | skrator: probably could find the answer in google in about 3 seconds |
| 23:18.02 | lobi | abrotman: ?? |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | maybe she could, not sure about him ... |
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| 23:18.15 | mtn | abrotman: :) |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | lobi: did you install it with apt or dpkg ? |
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| 23:18.59 | lobi | abrotman: with synaptic |
| 23:19.17 | skrator | sorry to bother you guys, I just asked here because she said that what she found on google didn't work... I thought I should do something different. |
| 23:19.42 | abrotman | lobi: look at the package info, should see a predepends line |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | judd: predepends libgcc1 |
| 23:19.58 | lobi | abrotman: I thougth that sypnaptic will fix that |
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| 23:20.03 | abrotman | well, worth a try |
| 23:20.07 | abrotman | looks at themill |
| 23:20.16 | abrotman | lobi: which version of Linux is this? |
| 23:20.45 | lobi | abrotman: Linux usert1 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:21.08 | abrotman | lobi: is the multiarch-support package installed? |
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| 23:21.44 | lobi | abrotman: yes (I think so) because I have to install it |
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| 23:22.44 | abrotman | lobi: is it installed for amd64? |
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| 23:23.33 | lobi | abrotman: ?? |
| 23:23.58 | abrotman | lobi: how did oyu get this error? this package should be installed normally |
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| 23:24.38 | abrotman | lobi: you might want to use apt-get or aptitude and pastebin all of the errors |
| 23:24.41 | lobi | abrotman: I have to instaled package for 32 bit version for on program (i think it was a Skype) |
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| 23:26.37 | lobi | abrotman: bpaste.net/show/r7n0CirVCwAoXgpmPt1Y/ |
| 23:30.03 | abrotman | lobi: it tells you how to fix it |
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| 23:32.24 | lobi | abrotman: what do you think (apt-get install -f) ??. I tryed this http://bpaste.net/show/3Evqt5DpXURNOZemEwIp/ |
| 23:32.34 | lobi | and get new errors |
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| 23:42.20 | lobi | abrotman: ?? |
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| 23:46.38 | abrotman | lobi: sorry, cooking .. |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | lobi: dpkg --configure -a |
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