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| 00:01.01 | abrotman | you need to figure out why multiarch-support won't configure |
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| 00:08.11 | lobi | abrotman: uhhhhh. not an easy task |
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| 00:13.00 | harrison | oh, the multiarch hassle |
| 00:13.07 | harrison | i can help! |
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| 00:13.35 | harrison | if my admitting that my own experience with multiarch was a hassle is "helpful" |
| 00:13.43 | harrison | otherwise i can't help |
| 00:15.14 | themill | libgcc1 looks like the culprit here (and multarch doesn't look to be the problem here, just a package called "multiarch-support" is involved) |
| 00:15.59 | themill | lobi: have you tried "aptitude install libgcc1"? (I've missed most of this amongst the netsplits) |
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| 00:18.18 | multi_io | I have a deb file here, and I want to apt-get install all its dependencies. what's the easiest way to do that? |
| 00:19.27 | multi_io | (actually I want to install that deb file, but its dependencies are largely uninstalled, so I'd have to install those first) |
| 00:19.34 | themill | multi_io: is that .deb actually designed for the debian release you're using? |
| 00:19.36 | zykotick9 | multi_io: "dpkg -i foo.deb" then use "apt-get -f install" to install the dependencies? or look into gdebi. |
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| 00:21.19 | multi_io | it's the current skype (4.2) deb, and I'm on testing. |
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| 00:21.37 | multi_io | I'll try the -f install thing. |
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| 00:22.07 | themill | multi_io: which debian architecture are you using? |
| 00:24.05 | grmackay | Looking at older Dell Optiplex sff |
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| 00:24.51 | multi_io | themill: amd64, but I activated i386 too |
| 00:25.11 | multi_io | thought this should work... |
| 00:25.42 | themill | multi_io: yeah, I was just about to suggest that you'd need to do so. Yes, it *should* work but skype does have a habit of randomly breaking their packages on a regular basis |
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| 00:29.51 | ars | how can I look at the info that's displayed for a package after that window has been lost. Specifically, I've installed cacti, among other things, and would like to see the info that was supposed to have been displayed upon/after installation of the package. |
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| 00:31.45 | lobi | themill: http://bpaste.net/show/fSKCxYHm25I4591QkC4Q/ |
| 00:32.15 | lobi | i don't know, but somethink is very wrong |
| 00:32.21 | themill | lobi: what have you done to this machine? |
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| 00:37.08 | themill | lobi: ok, so in /var/cache/apt/archives/ you should have libgcc1_1%3a4.7.2-5_amd64.deb as well as a package for multiarch-support and libc6. Can you try to install those three packages with one "dpkg -i" command? |
| 00:39.54 | lobi | themill: I don't know. i play a litel bit with source file. then i get some errors. I lost my status file. I replace it with some backup status file. I don't remeber |
| 00:40.04 | themill | ugh |
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| 00:43.30 | multi_io | looks like I can't install qt in both amd64 and i386 archs simultaneously |
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| 00:44.04 | themill | multi_io: in testing? that *should* be possible. Can you pastebin the full output of your apt run? |
| 00:44.05 | themill | dpkg: tell multi_io about bat |
| 00:44.17 | multi_io | there's a conflict between qtchooser and qtchooser:i386 |
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| 00:45.49 | somiaj | devel libs aren't multiarch enabeled, and it sees that is from 'libdevel' |
| 00:45.51 | lobi | themill: where can I get this pack. libgcc1_1%3a4.7.2-5_amd64.deb |
| 00:46.06 | themill | lobi: it's already in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 00:47.11 | somiaj | multi_io: are you trying to build a i386 package linked against qt libs? |
| 00:47.40 | multi_io | somiaj: no, I'm trying to install the skupe 4.2 deb |
| 00:47.43 | multi_io | *skype |
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| 00:47.55 | lobi | themill: http://bpaste.net/show/jOrtJwhqohvEY4PRYQd6/ |
| 00:48.01 | multi_io | qtchooser seems not entirely a dev thing |
| 00:48.07 | somiaj | multi_io: and it depends on qtchooser? |
| 00:48.22 | multi_io | somiaj: not directly |
| 00:48.31 | multi_io | I'm still looking |
| 00:48.34 | themill | lobi: I wanted you to install the multiarch-support libgcc1 and libc6 packages all at the same time |
| 00:48.40 | themill | multi_io: pastebin? |
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| 00:50.28 | somiaj | hmm it does look like skype does want to install qtchooser, but it doesn't want to install the i386 version for me. Wonder if it is a recomeneds for one of the libqt packages |
| 00:50.50 | somiaj | seems to install just fine here though. |
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| 00:51.41 | multi_io | {kaffeine, kde-runtime, various kde stuff} depends on libqt4-dbus depends on qtdbus depends on qtchooser |
| 00:51.43 | Cyis | quit |
| 00:51.55 | multi_io | that's how the qtchooser dependency comes in |
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| 00:51.57 | somiaj | multi_io: but you dont' need the i386 version isntalled. |
| 00:51.59 | themill | multi_io: but you don't need qdbus for the arch you're running |
| 00:52.12 | themill | multi_io: please pastebin stuff... this getting very frustrating to do by ESP |
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| 00:52.33 | multi_io | I'm using aptitude. not sure what to pastebin. |
| 00:52.48 | somiaj | multi_io: anyways downloaded the debian7 deb, and then ran 'apt-get -f install' after it failed to install and it installed it just fine for me with no issues. |
| 00:53.16 | lobi | themill: http://bpaste.net/show/hOWLU3KAvjKQvOxjkT0S/ |
| 00:53.20 | themill | multi_io: none of the answers to "how do install his deb" involved aptitude ;( |
| 00:54.05 | themill | multi_io: how about the "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" approach? |
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| 00:54.48 | themill | lobi: at this stage we either need to see if aptitude can be forced to do this (and deal with that if it breaks) or you need to work out how you're going reinstall from your backups. |
| 00:54.55 | themill | lobi: s/aptitude/dpkg/ |
| 00:56.03 | multi_io | somiaj: did you have amd64 qt installed before? |
| 00:56.43 | multi_io | themill: yeah, sorry, I just did dpkg -i foo.deb; aptitude and tried to resolve the conflicts there |
| 00:56.53 | lobi | themill: ?? s/aptitude/dpkg/ |
| 00:56.59 | somiaj | multi_io: maybe one or two packages but over all I don't run qt apps so I had to isntall plenty of qt libs |
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| 00:57.20 | themill | multi_io: aptitude is known to not like resolving dependencies after dpkg -i foo.deb. It also sometimes butchers multiarch dependencies. |
| 00:57.28 | themill | lobi: at this stage we either need to see if dpkg can be forced to do this (and deal with that if it breaks) or you need to work out how you're going reinstall from your backups. |
| 00:57.57 | multi_io | somiaj: the thing is, skype pulls i386 qt, which seems to conflict with amd64 qt if you had that installed previously |
| 00:58.05 | somiaj | multi_io: the fact that you are getting a conflict between qtchooser and qtchoose:i386 makes me think you have something strange going on. |
| 00:58.19 | lobi | themill: how can i foreced dpkg |
| 00:58.34 | dioz | man dpkg |
| 00:59.01 | themill | lobi: try adding --force-depends to that dpkg command; it will either break horribly or get us closer to a solution |
| 00:59.05 | somiaj | multi_io: I have some basic amd64 qt installed, the package conflict you said you have shouldn't be happening. |
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| 00:59.43 | somiaj | multi_io: on wheezy onward the multiarch works just fine, but for the most part only pure libs are multiarch enabled. devel libs and binaries are not. |
| 01:00.22 | multi_io | heh, got it now |
| 01:01.00 | multi_io | indeed, I had to remove qtchooser:i386 and two or three other *qt*dbus*:i386 that depended on it |
| 01:01.11 | lobi | themill: the last one :D i think i will need to reinstal my OS http://bpaste.net/show/ahJhLs0uDf1I8hScPZyz/ |
| 01:01.47 | multi_io | thanks guys |
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| 01:02.01 | themill | lobi: try just running it again |
| 01:02.10 | themill | (err 2 is no such file or directory_ |
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| 01:03.35 | themill | multi_io: and the solution was just to install qdbus:amd64 first? |
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| 01:04.36 | multi_io | themill: I had all the *qt*:amd64 installed before (kde dependencies) |
| 01:05.45 | somiaj | multi_io: were you running wheezy or jessie? |
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| 01:06.17 | themill | multi_io: care to tell us what you did then? |
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| 01:06.50 | somiaj | 18:00 < multi_io> indeed, I had to remove qtchooser:i386 and two or three other18:00 < multi_io> indeed, I had to remove qtchooser:i386 and two or three other *qt*dbus*:i386 that depended on it |
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| 01:07.06 | somiaj | I'm unsure what brought in the i386 versions of those packages though. |
| 01:07.35 | somiaj | damn I should really get a new mouse, that double click of the middle button gets annoying |
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| 01:08.46 | multi_io | I'm running testing. That's jessie right? |
| 01:09.50 | lobi | themill: thanks. now I can install new programs |
| 01:09.53 | lobi | :D |
| 01:09.57 | somiaj | correct, and in the future might want to realize that apt-get and aptitude use slightly different logic, so when trying to have one fix some dependencies sometimes you get better results from one as opposed to another. |
| 01:10.17 | themill | lobi: what does "apt-get -f install" want to do now? |
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| 01:12.24 | multi_io | I had amd64 qt stuff installed before (because of various kde apps). those pulled qtchooser:amd64 via the "*kde* depends on libqt4-dbus depends on qdbus depends on qtchooser" dependency chain. |
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| 01:13.13 | multi_io | then I went on to install skype, which pulled in *qt*:i386, which apparently pulled in qtchooser:i386 even though it didn't really need to(?) |
| 01:14.15 | themill | using aptitude perhaps; using apt-get no. |
| 01:14.46 | multi_io | I manually removed qtchooser:i386 and qdbus:i386 (I think) in aptitude, and that resolved the conflicts |
| 01:15.06 | multi_io | themill: yeah. I'm always using aptitude, really... |
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| 01:15.31 | multi_io | the interactivity is just a big win for me. I feel like I have more control that way :P |
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| 01:15.40 | themill | both tools do some things better and some things worse. That's why they both still exist |
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| 01:15.42 | HelenaKitty | hahahaha |
| 01:15.46 | HelenaKitty | crazy nite! |
| 01:15.49 | HelenaKitty | an all go fail! |
| 01:15.52 | HelenaKitty | Anyway... |
| 01:16.04 | HelenaKitty | My cursor for X isn't working and I am about to check the logs. |
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| 01:21.17 | litsand | hi,I have a very strange problem.when i ssh to the server,it displays the welcome message and then close the connection .i worded for a few days but could not slove the problem.Do u have any ideas.thanks all. |
| 01:21.23 | lobi | themill: http://bpaste.net/show/LMbu38NHQakl8A9aFdCz/ |
| 01:22.05 | lobi | themill: now, when i boot os. i get tow image in grub |
| 01:22.06 | lobi | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 01:22.10 | lobi | and |
| 01:22.12 | lobi | 3.2.0-4-amd64-rt |
| 01:22.17 | lobi | wtf? is this |
| 01:22.22 | nevyn | litsand: what happens if you try sshing to the server and running a command? |
| 01:23.18 | zykotick9 | litsand: you may want to try "ssh -vvvv user@foo" and see if anything jumps out at you? |
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| 01:24.45 | litsand | nevyn: zykotick9: i have read the audit log.it looks like i login seccess.and then i login out. |
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| 01:27.20 | somiaj | litsand: try ssh user@foo cat /home/user/.bashrc -- I almost wonder if you have something logging you out, you can also cat .bash_history and see if you have any commands being run |
| 01:28.20 | litsand | somiaj: this the is message ssh -vv ip. |
| 01:28.25 | litsand | Last login: Wed Sep 25 09:26:41 2013 from 192.168.10.16 |
| 01:28.25 | litsand | debug2: channel 0: rcvd eof |
| 01:28.25 | litsand | debug2: channel 0: output open -> drain |
| 01:28.25 | litsand | debug2: channel 0: obuf empty |
| 01:28.25 | litsand | debug2: channel 0: close_write |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | looks at debhelper |
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| 01:35.57 | ectospasm | I have a problem with my Microsoft Bluetooth Mouse 5000. I'm using Debian sid updated earlier today. The mouse had been working fine for quite some time. I pulled in an unspecified update a few days ago, and the mouse will not resume operation once it has gone to sleep (i.e., once the display is idle and xscreensaver kicks in). I can re-pair the mouse with the following script: |
| 01:35.59 | ectospasm | http://paste.debian.net/45810/, but I shouldn't have to re-pair the mouse every time I want to use it. |
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| 01:36.58 | somiaj | ectospasm: do you know what package that upgraded would cause this issue. If the old version is still located in /var/cache/apt/archives you should install it and see if you can isolate what version causes this bug then submit a report |
| 01:37.07 | somiaj | ectospasm: you can also check the bts first to see if anyone else has already done that |
| 01:37.19 | multi_io | litsand: look into /etc/passwd, there might be a special shell, e.g. if this is a git account or some other non-interactive login |
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| 01:38.01 | somiaj | litsand: I see that your terminal is reciving a eof (ctrl-D) signal which is what is closing it, not sure why though |
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| 01:38.29 | somiaj | litsand: can you try another machien to ssh to it, see if it is a local issue or remote |
| 01:38.31 | multi_io | (provided you can log into the machine as someone else and look into /etc/passwd) |
| 01:39.35 | somiaj | multi_io: he could ssh user@host grep username /etc/passwd |
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| 01:43.23 | litsand_ | sorry for the trouble. |
| 01:44.10 | multi_io | somiaj: yeah, unless the shell in passwd prevents him from doing that. |
| 01:44.11 | litsand_ | the log is too long .....i have useradd a new user and replace the /etc/profile but does not work |
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| 01:44.41 | somiaj | litsand: useradd is not what you want to use, that is most likley your issue. use adduser |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | litsand_: use paste.debian.net if you need to |
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| 01:45.09 | litsand_ | i just run the ssh root@ip grep root /etc/passwd it display nothing. |
| 01:45.35 | litsand_ | abrotman: thanks .i am new here. |
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| 01:46.30 | litsand_ | this is normal login .oot@192.168.29.171's password: |
| 01:46.30 | litsand_ | Last login: Wed Sep 25 09:42:05 2013 from 192.168.10.16 |
| 01:46.30 | litsand_ | Connection to 192.168.29.171 closed. |
| 01:47.10 | litsand_ | when i add a cmd.it is : |
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| 01:48.13 | litsand_ | oot@192.168.29.171's password: |
| 01:48.13 | litsand_ | root@bt:# |
| 01:49.12 | litsand_ | after finish the passwd.it output nothing. |
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| 01:54.55 | Cyis | great.. an easy fix |
| 01:55.32 | multi_io | litsand: root logins via ssh may be disabled |
| 01:55.54 | multi_io | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config PermitRootLogin no |
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| 01:56.37 | multi_io | not sure if that's your problem |
| 01:56.49 | somiaj | Cyis: glad we could help...haha (: |
| 01:56.50 | tiron | I did an apt-get upgrade and now debian boots into command line (3.2.0-4)... I'm thinking it might be a graphics driver error or something, but apt-get install nvidia-settings says I have the latest version...? |
| 01:57.39 | somiaj | tiron: lsmod | grep nvidia if that doesn't return anything what does 'modprobe nvidia' do? |
| 01:58.15 | tiron | somiaj: FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 01:58.18 | multi_io | root logins via ssh are a bit...risky |
| 01:58.23 | tiron | which I'm guessing is not ideal |
| 01:58.38 | somiaj | tiron: okay, 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel-dkms' do you have that package installed? |
| 01:59.15 | tiron | somiaj: iU nvidia-kernel-dkms 304.88-1+deb7u1 amd64 |
| 01:59.27 | tiron | Nvidia binary kernel module DKMS source |
| 01:59.34 | litsand | multi_io: thanks.but a new user also does not work. |
| 01:59.47 | somiaj | tiron: that package is in a weird state, try 'dpkg --configure -a' |
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| 02:00.57 | tiron | somiaj: setting up a whole bunch of stuf... waiting... |
| 02:02.53 | somiaj | tiron: if everything goes well run 'modprobe nvidia' at the end and see if it lods the module, if so it should be fine |
| 02:03.21 | somiaj | tiron: after that you can run '/etc/init.d/gdm3 start' or replace gdm3 with what ever display manager you use. You can also just run 'startx' |
| 02:04.34 | fedai | is there anyone give me the good link for reverse dns for ipv6 |
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| 02:05.51 | abrotman | fedai: #dns perhaps |
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| 02:07.20 | fedai | thx |
| 02:08.37 | multi_io | litsand: did you add the user using adduser? |
| 02:08.45 | multi_io | < somiaj> litsand: useradd is not what you want to use, that is most likley your issue. use adduser |
| 02:09.27 | tiron | somiaj: modprobe still returns nothing, but the dpkg command seemed to work, I can vnc into the thing and all seems in order. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:09.55 | tiron | somiaj: by the way, if you don't mind my asksing, how long have you been using linux and can you recommend a book/procedure by which to better be able to respond to something like this independently? thanks again |
| 02:10.38 | rryoumaa | is it a bug in debian if "aptitude purge edict devil-dict" fails to remove the packages that "aptitude install edict devil-dict" installed? |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | depends which files |
| 02:12.20 | rryoumaa | all of the automatically loaded packages, it seems. includes dictd. |
| 02:12.49 | themill | rryoumaa: not really. You could have had unsatisfied recommends to start with which will now keep those extra packages in place |
| 02:13.07 | themill | rryoumaa: "aptitude why dictd" would tell you why that package is still thre |
| 02:13.16 | rryoumaa | themill: let me try that |
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| 02:14.07 | BlueProtoman | I get this error when I try to uninstall some Java packages on Ubuntu 13.04; http://pastebin.com/Qij9gbu7 I tried to purge java-common, but it had an error which left some packages broken. Any tips? Yes, I know this is not an Ubuntu channel, but no one else has managed to figure this out and I'm so desperate to fix this that I simply don't care. |
| 02:14.42 | themill | BlueProtoman: #ubuntu was the right place to ask. |
| 02:15.15 | BlueProtoman | themill: It's quieter than usual, no one has helped me, and I have homework that's due tomorrow. I am running out of options. |
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| 02:16.12 | rryoumaa | themill nope, aptitude why dictd just says it is suggested by dict |
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| 02:16.55 | litsand | multi_io: i try the adduser now.:) |
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| 02:18.50 | themill | rryoumaa: what does "aptitude -o Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false remove" want to do? |
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| 02:19.59 | rryoumaa | seems to hang. did you want the quote after remove? |
| 02:20.18 | themill | eh? |
| 02:20.33 | rryoumaa | you meant false" remove right? |
| 02:20.49 | themill | no |
| 02:21.19 | rryoumaa | oic, the whole command |
| 02:21.21 | rryoumaa | "The following packages will be REMOVED: dictd{u} dictzip{u} imagemagick-common{u} libfile-copy-recursive-perl{u} liblqr-1-0{u} libmagickcore5{u} libmagickwand5{u} libopenobex1{u} obex-data-server{u} update-inetd{u}" |
| 02:21.43 | rryoumaa | what does that option do? |
| 02:21.54 | themill | dpkg: tell rryoumaa about aptitude docs |
| 02:22.46 | rryoumaa | thanks for the tip, and i will read it, but i was hoping as we're debugging it would help for me to know right now, rather than later |
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| 02:23.46 | themill | rryoumaa: You can click through the documentation as easily as I can ... http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s05.html#idp4641448 |
| 02:24.24 | rryoumaa | never mind, if you don't want to tell me, i will look it up later |
| 02:25.37 | dskfl | i need to test an old php site, uses php 5.2 and mysql 5.1, and i don't want to mess up with the current php version i have installed, so i was thinking of using linux containers to install a system with those versions of php and mysql, anyone knows if that would be a good idea? Are LXC good for testing web apps without messing with multiple versions on the same machine? |
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| 02:26.55 | jordanm | dskfl, you will be much better off either using a real virtual machine like KVM or maybe a chroot |
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| 02:27.44 | AC`97 | tada!~ |
| 02:27.45 | jordanm | LXC/openvz/vserver are pretty much just chroots with resource isolation. you probably don't need the resource isolation for testing an old site |
| 02:28.05 | dskfl | no i don't indeed |
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| 02:29.16 | dskfl | well i guess a virtual machine would be easier.. |
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| 02:29.31 | dskfl | what debian version provides php 5.2 and mysql 5.1 ? |
| 02:29.49 | rryoumaa | themill: ok, so it sounds like by default Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false is true, and dict suggests dictd, so it does not autoremove. thus, a suggests is enough to make something not be removed. |
| 02:29.51 | dkeoui | Hi, can the live environment of the install disk mount xfs filesystems? |
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| 02:30.29 | themill | rryoumaa: yes, it's not enough to make it be installed but it is enough to keep it installed. |
| 02:30.31 | rryoumaa | themill: i thought you were going to continue debugging; it did not seem as if your question was the answer. but i guess it is. |
| 02:30.35 | themill | dskfl: none that I know of |
| 02:30.50 | rryoumaa | themill: shouldn't that be symmetrical? |
| 02:31.07 | rryoumaa | or rather, what is the reason for making it asymmetrical? |
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| 02:31.29 | themill | rryoumaa: well it's never going to be because you might have other unsatisfied recommends anyway. |
| 02:31.32 | abrotman | dskfl: and why would you want such a thing? |
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| 02:32.18 | themill | rryoumaa: I'm not sure I like the asymmetry on suggests as well, but I can see that you don't want an autoremove suddenly changing the behaviour of a completely different application on you because a suggests was removed |
| 02:32.34 | dskfl | abrotman, i need to test an old site that uses php 5.2 on my debian testing machine that has php 5.5 in the repos, so .. |
| 02:33.18 | abrotman | doesn't understand |
| 02:34.06 | jordanm | dselect, lenny |
| 02:34.06 | dselect | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 02:34.11 | rryoumaa | themill: i sort of found the opposite: installing dict-devil made dict stop working, because apparently dictd makes dict stop working. then removing dictd fixed it again. |
| 02:34.34 | jordanm | I am pretty sure lenny had exactly those versions |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | dskfl: test them for what? |
| 02:34.59 | themill | jordanm: I thought lenny had mysql 5.0 not 5.1 |
| 02:35.06 | dskfl | abrotman, well just run them |
| 02:35.23 | dskfl | abrotman, so i should either install php 5.2 on debian testing or do something else |
| 02:35.30 | jordanm | themill, really? I think CentOS 5 has 5.1 and they were released about the same time |
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| 02:36.01 | themill | jordanm: vague memories |
| 02:36.14 | dskfl | yep lenny has php 5.2 |
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| 02:36.41 | themill | dskfl: I'm not sure why you're wanting to test this thing out with old, unsupported and known-vulnerable versions |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | dskfl: i'm asking why .. |
| 02:37.02 | jordanm | themill, checking snapshots, looks like you are correct, both etch and lenny had 5.0. perhaps it was a backport, but I doubt it |
| 02:38.18 | themill | 5.0.51a-24+lenny5 |
| 02:38.31 | themill | «wget http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz -O- | zcat - | grep-dctrl --exact-match -P mysql-server» \o/ |
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| 02:39.39 | jordanm | 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1 is in snapshots, but since lenny was pre-official bpo, I doubt it's in archive |
| 02:39.53 | somiaj | tiron: I started using debian in 2000. In 2003 I made it my primary os. I learned most of what I know by helping people in here and listening to the converstations. |
| 02:40.10 | abrotman | no one is actually curious why? |
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| 02:40.33 | dskfl | why what |
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| 02:41.24 | jordanm | abrotman, I would only be curious is he was going to try and go production with it |
| 02:41.57 | somiaj | tiron: I don't know of any good source, but debian has lots of documentation that is useful. The oriely books I hear are fairly good too, though I haven't read any. |
| 02:42.49 | themill | abrotman: it's not that noone is curious, just that we don't get answers... |
| 02:43.02 | dskfl | i don't manage the production system, so i don't say what version of php should be installed. I just got the legacy application to do something with it. So i need to replicate the same environment that is running on, is this so hard to understand? |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | legacy apps don't require legacy frameworks necessarily |
| 02:43.37 | dskfl | with python i would have virtual environments, but this is php.. |
| 02:43.52 | themill | jordanm: «wget http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/lenny-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz -O- | zcat - | grep-dctrl --exact-match -P mysql-server» 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1 |
| 02:43.59 | dskfl | well php 5.2 is incompatible with php 5.3 or anything greater |
| 02:44.07 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 02:44.28 | jordanm | themill, awesome |
| 02:44.54 | jordanm | dskfl, it's not, 5.2 deprecated some things, 5.3 removed some of them |
| 02:45.10 | dskfl | yep |
| 02:45.13 | themill | dskfl: ahh... so you're trying to replicate a production environment on your machine so you can do development. Yes, that makes some sense and that's all you had to say. "Test an old site" was making it sound like you were doing the opposite which was leaving lots of people confused |
| 02:45.15 | jordanm | so it would be closer to say 5.1 is incompatible with 5.3 |
| 02:45.20 | abrotman | that's not "incompatible" |
| 02:46.15 | jordanm | "not entirely backwards compatible" with code written for 5.1 |
| 02:46.45 | dskfl | so all this talk for nothing |
| 02:46.46 | qman__ | there weren't all that many compatibility breaking changes |
| 02:47.04 | qman__ | I wouldn't be surprised if there's a tool to fix your code automatically |
| 02:47.07 | jordanm | dskfl, it's best to actually replicate the production environment. what OS does it run? |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | dskfl: sometimes, explaining what you actually want to do can lead to a better suggestion |
| 02:47.27 | dskfl | jordanm, i agree |
| 02:48.00 | dskfl | jordanm, it's centos i believe, don't know the version |
| 02:48.07 | jordanm | qman__, well, I was around IRC a lot when 5.3 hit testing and recall the floods of users with broken applications that for whatever reason were running testing in production |
| 02:48.26 | jordanm | dselect, CentOS 5 shipped with 5.1 and CentOS 6 has 5.2 |
| 02:48.27 | dselect | jordanm: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 02:48.36 | jordanm | erm, 5.3 |
| 02:49.15 | jordanm | anyways, just clone it |
| 02:49.21 | qman__ | jordanm, yeah, you're always going to have those |
| 02:49.36 | qman__ | I just mean that fixing it isn't all that hard, the changes are pretty straightforward |
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| 02:49.50 | jordanm | qman__, I also worked at a hosting company which had similar issues preventing a 5.2->5.3 upgrade |
| 02:50.00 | dskfl | well i'll just install that in virtualbox and go from there, seems less hassle than to install php 5.2 in testing |
| 02:50.59 | themill | dskfl: exact copy of deployment environment is always going to be better than trying to fake it with whatever you can find |
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| 03:29.40 | freq | so lost... |
| 03:29.54 | somiaj | you are in #debian. |
| 03:30.00 | freq | oh. thanks |
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| 03:30.06 | freq | well i'm running cubian |
| 03:30.14 | freq | but i think you might be able to help |
| 03:30.22 | freq | CPU~Dual core ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) (-MCP-) clocked at 2385.92 MHz Kernel~3.4.43+ armv7l Up~29 min Mem~238.9/827.1MB HDD~72.5GB(-) Procs~126 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.9.14 |
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| 03:30.56 | somiaj | this is debian and we choose for social and technical reasons to only support debian |
| 03:30.56 | freq | sound drivers |
| 03:30.58 | jelly-home | freq: cubian is a derivative installer; #debian doesn't know what exactly that image contains and can't really help |
| 03:30.59 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 03:30.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:31.11 | freq | okay that's fine. thanks for being straight-forward |
| 03:31.15 | freq | ttyl. have a lot of fun |
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| 03:40.32 | somiaj | that was a nice response, (: |
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| 03:42.40 | n0c | ° |
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| 03:43.30 | rryoumaa | i have an issue where if i call a shell script from emacs, and the shell script has a & inside it to background a process, the process does not get backgrounded. although i only experience the bug from emacs, it seems that it would have to be a bash or kernel bug. is that correct? |
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| 03:44.54 | n0c | hi there, does something exist like lxrandr which isn't so absolutely stripped down and will handle some of the more advanced x display tuning like reflection and underscan, etc |
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| 03:45.15 | n0c | i am fine using xrandr for what i need to accomplish but i feel like there must be a better tool which has a gui |
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| 03:48.28 | themill | rryoumaa: emacs is possibly waiting for the entire process group to finish and knows that this process has not cleaned up after itself. Try using disown to remove that backgrounded process from the group |
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| 03:49.58 | rryoumaa | themill: "sleep 1000 & disown" inside the shell script makes no difference |
| 03:50.16 | rryoumaa | hangs both ways |
| 03:50.23 | n0c | if I upgrade, say, network-manager-gnome and network-manager-pptp and network-manager-pptp-gnome (which are all installed, interestingly) and I encounter issues and want to stay at the upgraded-from version, what's the best way to handle that, pinning ? |
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| 03:50.49 | n0c | will state be maintained in a sense where apt will track what prior version was installed or do i need to keep track and pin manually ? |
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| 03:53.39 | muton | 我是来找我的小伙伴的 |
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| 03:54.56 | jelly-home | !cn |
| 03:54.56 | dpkg | 如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 03:55.19 | muton | thanks |
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| 04:00.36 | somiaj | n0c: what DE do you use, don't the gnome or kde settings tools support xrandr more fully? |
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| 04:02.53 | n0c | somiaj: gnome |
| 04:03.04 | n0c | with gnome-shell or whatever |
| 04:03.17 | n0c | and no it's all pretty basic from what i've seen |
| 04:04.06 | somiaj | I thought there was a control pannel in which you could set your monintor setting that could do that |
| 04:04.40 | somiaj | apt-cache search also gives me an arandr |
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| 04:07.22 | n0c | hm |
| 04:07.33 | n0c | i'm more concerned about why audio refuses to play over hdmi anymore |
| 04:07.57 | n0c | since a couple weeks, once used xrandr to turn on underscan it seemed to make the issue occur |
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| 04:08.38 | n0c | to be more clear, made the audio no longer work over hdmi output on my amd apu |
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| 04:11.47 | somiaj | n0c: cat /proc/asound/cards -- did your hdmi card change order? |
| 04:11.58 | somiaj | also alsamixer, do you have the volume turned up for it |
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| 04:19.59 | dan_ | I just had an issue where an older ubuntu box had stale root CA certificates for s3.amazonaws.com. What do I need to do to keep these certificates current? I found that update-ca-certificates fixed my immediate problem, but am not sure if this is all I should need to do periodically? |
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| 04:26.16 | eb0t | i use the gnome desktop...but the terminal emulator on debian is xterm...i thought it was gnome terminal |
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| 04:28.03 | somiaj | eb0t: debian provides tons of chose in the terminal emulators |
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| 04:28.26 | somiaj | eb0t: are you wanting to change what terminal launches when you do what? |
| 04:28.27 | eb0t | somiaj..i meant by default |
| 04:28.49 | eb0t | i thougth i used gnome terminal by default |
| 04:29.08 | eb0t | it doesnt matter really...im happy with teh xterm..as its low memory |
| 04:29.55 | eb0t | which terminal do you prefer somiaj |
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| 04:32.07 | somiaj | I use xterm now, use to use aterm. I dont use a de though |
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| 04:32.48 | eb0t | yes i preferr not to ...i have several installations of linux ..one arch..and on arch i use awesome WM which is great |
| 04:33.18 | codygman | Can you use optirun/external graphics card within a chroot jail? |
| 04:33.29 | somiaj | I've seen awesome, I have just used fvwm since 2004 and am happy with it |
| 04:33.34 | codygman | urxvt forevers :D |
| 04:33.53 | eb0t | yes somiaj...i think its a matter of what your used to and what you like that matters |
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| 04:34.04 | somiaj | codygman: what do you mean use? Are you wanting to run say an xorg app from within a chroot? |
| 04:34.16 | codygman | somiaj: Yes, right. |
| 04:34.46 | somiaj | codygman: basically you need the xorg libs in side the chroot, and you need to mount /tmp and possibaly /home/username in there so you have access to the xorg magic cookie |
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| 04:35.56 | somiaj | codygman: I use to do that back when amd64 just came out to run i386 apps from inside the chroot, you might be able to find an outdated howto with the setup |
| 04:36.56 | n0c | somiaj: since you use xterm i'm wondering if you have it set to be able to click/launch urls and if you could let me know how to configure that |
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| 04:37.49 | somiaj | n0c: I copy paste, I find that pleny quick enough |
| 04:37.59 | somiaj | n0c: middle mouse button is nice, (: |
| 04:38.00 | n0c | yeah |
| 04:38.03 | n0c | agree |
| 04:38.09 | somiaj | so no I don't have it setup |
| 04:38.10 | n0c | got spoiled by gnome-terminal |
| 04:38.22 | n0c | but it doesn't open any more after update to jessie :) |
| 04:38.28 | n0c | some oddball error |
| 04:38.39 | somiaj | n0c: can you run it from an xterm, what does 'gnome-terminal' return? |
| 04:38.48 | n0c | Error creating terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) |
| 04:39.08 | n0c | interestingly, it happened after I switched away from 'use system default' |
| 04:39.11 | n0c | for the font size |
| 04:39.28 | n0c | i suppose i could dig through gconf to find the setting to switch it back but i just don't care that much |
| 04:39.40 | somiaj | yea seems like you have things messed up. (: |
| 04:39.45 | n0c | kind of just like xterm + tmux better anyway but DO miss the link clicking |
| 04:39.53 | somiaj | I have no clue what as I avoid dbus and gnome as much as I can |
| 04:40.02 | somiaj | to bad it is so hard to avoid dbus on debian these days |
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| 04:45.11 | somiaj | n0c: http://blog.orebokech.com/ |
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| 04:46.54 | n0c | gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/use_system_font true |
| 04:47.08 | n0c | yeah so i was wrong about the font change thing because after this ^ it's still broken |
| 04:47.44 | n0c | oh cool thanks somiaj |
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| 04:48.29 | n0c | Sep 24 23:48:10 pulsar kernel: [15073.338057] traps: gnome-terminal-[20447] trap divide error ip:7ffb738f3738 sp:7ffffe306d00 error:0 in libvte2_90.so.9.3400.6[7ffb738b9000+9d000] |
| 04:49.53 | n0c | maybe an issue with this gtk terminal library |
| 04:52.54 | n0c | !pinning |
| 04:52.54 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 04:54.07 | somiaj | n0c: yea, that xterm link seems to work fine in wheezy. a little quicker than just clicking but about the best you cna do with xterm it seems |
| 04:54.37 | n0c | yeah waiting for aptitude to finish up in a tmux pane before changing Xresources |
| 04:54.48 | n0c | with Xresources changes do I need to re-enter X? |
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| 04:57.57 | n0c | seems so unless the DE is mesing with these kebindings |
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| 04:58.25 | codygman | anyone remember that output colorizer |
| 04:58.27 | codygman | oh wait... ccze |
| 04:59.03 | deego | also colortail |
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| 05:02.11 | somiaj | n0c: xrdb -merge file |
| 05:02.19 | somiaj | n0c: you may need to restart your terminal, I had to to see it work |
| 05:02.23 | codygman | thanks deego, what are the differences? |
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| 05:07.10 | cheri | hi can I delete all the entries in an existing change log and start over from scracth again |
| 05:07.12 | somiaj | codygman: apt-cache show pckgname gave a basic idea what they do |
| 05:07.47 | somiaj | cheri: what do you mean? Is this on some project you are working on? |
| 05:08.02 | cheri | yes |
| 05:08.02 | somiaj | or what changelog are you talking about, and what do you want to start over? |
| 05:08.23 | cheri | the code of one project is being used for another |
| 05:08.43 | cheri | they want all the entries in the existing change log to be flushed away and start afresh |
| 05:09.03 | cheri | I want to know what kind of impact would this have |
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| 05:11.28 | somiaj | seems like a strange thing to want to do. It is just a list of changes to a project. You can delete it, you just loose documentation that could cause frustration for future developers/users. |
| 05:11.44 | themill | cheri: debian changelogs are just a specially formatted text files. You can create/edit them easily with the "dch" tool from devscripts |
| 05:12.23 | codygman | I'm using bumblebee on jessie and all of a sudden optirun gives me this error (strace included): http://sprunge.us/IiQY |
| 05:12.34 | themill | also "code reuse" should normally mean "make a library that is shared" not "copy and paste it from one project to another" |
| 05:13.12 | cheri | yeah this is what I was thinking about it but want to be a little cautious before I make any changes |
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| 05:14.09 | codygman | Sorry let me rephrase. My nvidia graphics no longer work and I can't see (with sudo modprobe -l | grep nv) or load the nvidia module ( sudo modprobe nvidia) |
| 05:14.18 | codygman | running debian jessie |
| 05:14.37 | cheri | thanks for clariying this guys |
| 05:14.41 | somiaj | codygman: how do you compile the nvidia module, are you using nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 05:15.02 | somiaj | codygman: there was a bug that prevented certain versions of the nvidia blob compling against a 3.10 kernel |
| 05:15.40 | codygman | somiaj: I had this problem earlier I think... when I was in wheezy but using 3.10 (went back to 3.9). Now I've installed testing and it uses 3.10 by default huh... |
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| 05:17.13 | somiaj | codygman: there was a patch I found on the bts to get it to work in sid. You may have to go find 3.9 on snapshot.debian.org or install a working version from sid -- I think the newer versions now compile rght |
| 05:17.47 | codygman | somiaj: What would you recommend (and what is easiest)? |
| 05:18.01 | somiaj | codygman: again this is just a guess. You need to figure out why your module isn't compiling. you can try 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' and see what fails |
| 05:18.10 | somiaj | codygman: I would have suggested sticking with wheezy (: |
| 05:18.34 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:18.35 | codygman | somiaj: lol others convinced me that testing "just works" |
| 05:18.35 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-4; experimental/non-free: 325.15-3 |
| 05:19.42 | somiaj | hmm, wonder if the version in sid (The -4) has fixed the compling bug. Again this is just a guess, unless I see what actually fails when you install/configure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:20.15 | somiaj | codygman: yea testing just works until it breaks. things change enough that there are major breaks every so often. |
| 05:20.59 | codygman | somiaj: actually installking nvidia-dkms didn't fail: http://sprunge.us/IiQY |
| 05:21.05 | somiaj | codygman: I do run sid on my desktop with nvidia, but I converted my laptop to stable as I grew tired of fixing things. |
| 05:21.06 | codygman | err |
| 05:21.18 | codygman | http://sprunge.us/fwTV |
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| 05:21.57 | somiaj | that link didn't work either |
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| 05:23.12 | codygman | somiaj: This is interesting http://sprunge.us/eKSi |
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| 05:23.31 | codygman | ls /sys/module/ |
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| 05:28.12 | somiaj | yea just jibberish to me, if the module is not loaded ('lsmod') have you seen what errors you get when you try to load it, 'modprobe nvidia' |
| 05:28.27 | codygman | those are the errors |
| 05:28.34 | codygman | it is trying to load from a nonexistent directory apparently |
| 05:29.01 | codygman | hahahaha |
| 05:29.08 | codygman | nonexistent directory |
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| 05:49.15 | codygman | On debian jesse nvidia driver won't load after installing/rebooting: http://sprunge.us/dffJ |
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| 05:51.39 | somiaj | codygman: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-dkms -- what version of that package do you have installed? |
| 05:52.46 | codygman | 304.108-1 |
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| 05:57.57 | somiaj | sounds like you have a mess to work out. Not sure why it isn't looking for the module in the right place. |
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| 05:58.28 | codygman | somiaj: Now i'm trying to install from unstable and it says 'value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release |
| 05:59.01 | somiaj | I still think you should just go back to wheezy. (: |
| 05:59.08 | somiaj | but you'd have to do a reinstall |
| 05:59.14 | codygman | somiaj: Yeah I'm thinking about reinstalling from scratch |
| 05:59.28 | codygman | since I upgrade for nothing pretty much |
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| 05:59.51 | codygman | I guess everyone else is lucky and things "just work" when they upgrade willy nilly |
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| 06:00.25 | somiaj | well the biggest issue with testing or unstable is knowing how debian works. So when you run across snags you can fix them. I think there is something else messed up on your system and not gonna guess what. |
| 06:00.43 | somiaj | so like somone like me it would just work, even if I find I had to fix a few little thingsin the processes. (: |
| 06:01.08 | somiaj | as opposed to stable in which most things have been tested a lot and there shouldn't be much latent bugs |
| 06:01.47 | codygman | okay time to look for my wheezy iso :D |
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| 06:05.15 | codygman | somiaj: I should be good with this right "debian-wheezy-DI-b3-amd64-netinst.iso" |
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| 06:06.08 | somiaj | the net install should work provided you don't have non-free firmware issues |
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| 06:06.23 | somiaj | the DI-b3 seems strange though, I think you are grabing an old testing iso. |
| 06:07.02 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:07.04 | codygman | somiaj: Hmm... I think it's my other one. The non net-inst's come with gnome don't they? |
| 06:07.25 | somiaj | you can still install gnome from that, you just download the packages instead of have them included on the install image |
| 06:07.44 | codygman | in the regular installer can I not install gnome? |
| 06:07.48 | codygman | I just use xmonad |
| 06:08.13 | somiaj | sure, you can install what ever you want |
| 06:08.21 | codygman | oh okay |
| 06:08.27 | somiaj | the netinstall contains a fully functional base system (with out needing the network) |
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| 06:08.44 | somiaj | from the base system you can install only the packages you want. Just don't select desktop enviorment in tasksel during that part of the install |
| 06:09.02 | somiaj | personally I avoid tasksel and just install the packages I want withapt-get |
| 06:10.14 | codygman | somiaj: What is the best thing to put on a usb? I can never figure that out... |
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| 06:10.59 | somiaj | codygman: depends on what you want to do. I prefer the netinstaller as it is simple and small and I can download only the packages I want after |
| 06:11.14 | somiaj | if you have a wifi or network card that requires non-free firmware, you should get a firmware netinstaller |
| 06:11.18 | somiaj | !firmware installer |
| 06:11.18 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 06:11.37 | codygman | Yeah I can't remember if I use firmware or not so that is useful. |
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| 06:13.08 | codygman | somiaj: what does the bt in 'bt-hybrid' stand for? |
| 06:13.17 | codygman | oh nevermind |
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| 06:15.55 | codygman | somiaj: Yeah I've always installed from a netinst. I like having only what I need :D |
| 06:16.16 | codygman | having peopel suggest replacing libc for steam to work made me go crazy inside |
| 06:16.23 | codygman | replacing debian libc for ubuntu libc |
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| 06:23.17 | codygman | does the wheezy installer handle efi? |
| 06:23.25 | codygman | s/efi/uefi |
| 06:23.49 | codygman | that was frustrating to do myself the first time, but wouldn't be so bad a second I guess |
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| 06:58.07 | italian-crunchba | is the viewnior packages in the debian stable repos? |
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| 07:04.01 | somiaj | italian-crunchba: packages.debian.org or /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:40.52 | Elirips | Does 'aptitude purge' really removes all configuration files? I'm asking, because I'm supprised that after purging a package, and then installing it again, debconf still knows the values of the previous configuration |
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| 07:45.18 | martin__1 | Hi, am new to debian and linux and I need some assistance installing wireless drivers. According to the lspci I have a Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) |
| 07:45.33 | martin__1 | Anyone can assist me in this matter? |
| 07:45.47 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell martin__1 about wifi |
| 07:45.51 | vlt | martin__1: Gigabit Network sound more like wire |
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| 07:46.46 | ChrisH | martin__1: read what the bot send you. use /msg dpkg XXX to get more information about the things the bot suggested to ask about. |
| 07:47.10 | OpenTokix | Elirips: I think it will keep config-files you have changed even with --purge |
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| 07:47.44 | Elirips | OpenTokix: I *think* I have not edited them by hand, but only with debconf, but I'm not 100% sure abou that. |
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| 07:48.11 | Elirips | Is there a way to purge really everything including any config files that I have changed? like 'aptitude purge --force' |
| 07:48.24 | OpenTokix | Elirips: ok, well - just do "rm -rf /path/to/folder" after you have purged and you are set |
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| 07:56.00 | martin__1 | ChrisH: thank you. But hwinfo does not seem to work, it returns nasty errors |
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| 07:57.06 | martin__1 | > hal.1: read hal dataprocess 7489: arguments to dbus_move_error() were incorrect, assertion "(dest) == NULL || !dbus_error_is_set ((dest))" failed in file ../../dbus/dbus-errors.c line 282. |
| 07:57.10 | martin__1 | This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. |
| 07:57.11 | martin__1 | Sorry for the spam |
| 07:57.13 | martin__1 | libhal.c 3483 : Error unsubscribing to signals, error=The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files |
| 07:57.20 | martin__1 | that is the hwinfo error when trying to retrieve --wlan |
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| 07:59.08 | ChrisH | martin__1: lspci -nn ; lsusb ;lsb_release -a please paste output to paste.debian.net |
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| 08:04.31 | eb0t | i am getting couldnt rebuild package cache , when i run aptitude update ..any ideas |
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| 08:04.57 | eb0t | i cant even use a pastebin to post the results ..as pastebins say it looks like spam |
| 08:05.11 | eb0t | lambda and bpaste |
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| 08:10.17 | themill | eb0t: paste.debian.net |
| 08:10.34 | eb0t | ah thanks ill try that one |
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| 08:10.50 | themill | eb0t: if it's /var/cache/apt/*.bin you can just remove them and rerun apt-get update |
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| 08:12.34 | pikaro | hi! for packages that are not system-critical, is it usually OK to use ubuntu PPAs? I know that ubuntu does a few things differently and that you shouldn't use their libraries and so on, I'm mainly asking about the PPA part because that's something I haven't used yet. |
| 08:12.43 | eb0t | this is my output http://paste.debian.net/45891/ |
| 08:14.00 | drybjed | I ran into a problem with Linux Containers and iptables recent module (kernel panic when container is destroyed) on Wheezy linux 3.2 kernel. Fix is in linux source already. What would be the best course of action - use recent kernel from wheezy-backports, compile my own 3.2 with additional patch fixing the bug, or send mail to Debian Security? Debian kernel mailing list? |
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| 08:15.00 | themill | eb0t: "http://ppa.launchpad.net wheezy/main" wtf? |
| 08:15.16 | themill | !show sources.list eb0t |
| 08:15.16 | dpkg | eb0t: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 08:15.24 | drybjed | eb0t: you need to set correct distribution manually, probably oneiric |
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| 08:15.48 | eb0t | i dont know what it is launchpad...is it a porno |
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| 08:16.08 | themill | eb0t: if you don't know what it is, why did you add it to your sources.list? |
| 08:16.18 | themill | pikaro: no. PPAs are not designed for debian and you shouldn't use the binary apckages |
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| 08:17.24 | eb0t | this is my output http://paste.debian.net/45893/ |
| 08:17.30 | eb0t | this is my sources.list |
| 08:17.50 | themill | eb0t: no... there's more to it than that |
| 08:17.57 | pikaro | themill, even if the packages run fine when downloaded manually and don't require ubuntu libs? i. e. is the problem the PPA part or the package itself? |
| 08:18.21 | eb0t | no thats the whole sources.list file |
| 08:18.29 | themill | eb0t: that's not what I asked for, however |
| 08:18.36 | eb0t | ah im sorry |
| 08:18.39 | eb0t | ill check |
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| 08:18.56 | pikaro | eb0t, look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, there may be some more lists |
| 08:19.11 | themill | pikaro: potentially both. PPAs can contain any amount of crap that could do anything to your system. Remember you are giving root to the package builder... |
| 08:20.31 | eb0t | this is my output http://paste.debian.net/45894/ |
| 08:20.50 | eb0t | this is what was also in the sources.d |
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| 08:22.03 | pikaro | themill, I'm aware of that, but I'm basically doing the same if I download the source and compile it myself. |
| 08:22.17 | eb0t | it looks like the install of sublime is causing the problem |
| 08:22.34 | eb0t | i think i deleted it as soon as i installed it |
| 08:22.47 | themill | pikaro: you never have to do that as root, however. There's also the maintainer scripts that are run at install and remove time in the package |
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| 08:23.56 | pikaro | hm yeah, you're right. thanks! |
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| 08:24.12 | eb0t | themill will it be ok to just delete the file in sources.list.d as i dont have sublime installed on my system |
| 08:24.30 | theForce | hi folks |
| 08:24.35 | eb0t | or at least its not in my menus |
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| 08:24.45 | theForce | does anybody know where i can get mysql-server 5.5.27 package? |
| 08:24.47 | themill | eb0t: yes |
| 08:24.57 | eb0t | ah ok ill try that. |
| 08:25.03 | theForce | atm in wheezy its 5.5.31 |
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| 08:27.07 | eb0t | wow thanks for helping me through that the mill...you were right the sublime thing WTF. |
| 08:27.21 | eb0t | i deleted it and now aptitude update worked smoothly |
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| 08:27.40 | Iridos | dpkg, tell theForce about sdo |
| 08:30.01 | theForce | Iridos: thx. they have 5.5.25 and 5.5.28 but not 5.5.27... |
| 08:30.20 | drybjed | is kernel panic bug enough to backport patch from linux 3.7 into debian's 3.2 kernel? or should I use linux 3.10 from wheezy-backports instead? |
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| 08:34.02 | Iridos | theForce, then I guess it was never packaged for sid... |
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| 08:39.36 | nonconvergent | Hey, trying to set up SSL verification is irssi. |
| 08:40.15 | nonconvergent | what cert should I use for -ssl_cafile? |
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| 09:05.19 | Spaulding | Hi |
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| 09:05.53 | Spaulding | I want to report a bug |
| 09:05.55 | Spaulding | Insecure dependency in bind while running with -T switch at /usr/lib/perl/5.18/IO/Socket.pm line 213. |
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| 09:06.05 | Spaulding | this is error for postgrey |
| 09:06.43 | Spaulding | postgrey 1.34 |
| 09:06.50 | Spaulding | debian jessie/sid |
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| 09:08.24 | drhouse123 | Spaulding: use reportbug tool |
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| 09:20.49 | Iridos | dpkg, reportbug |
| 09:20.49 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 09:30.33 | trurl | Hi. |
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| 09:33.37 | eb0t | can you change the appearance of iceweasle on debian |
| 09:33.40 | gb | mm interesting xfce4-panel breaks after an upgrade sometimes |
| 09:33.45 | eb0t | i dont like the look of mine |
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| 09:34.03 | gb | fixed with a killall -1 xfce4-panel |
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| 09:34.46 | phogg | eb0t: of course, you can install firefox themes and personas |
| 09:34.56 | gb | wonder what breaks it though |
| 09:35.00 | eb0t | thanks phogg ill look for them |
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| 09:35.37 | local | hey all. I am on HostA and would like to login to a remote hostB, read the hostname and save it into a variable. When I end the ssh-session I would like to use this variable for furhter script processing. "ssh root@myhost REMOTEHOST=`hostname`" doesn't work, the variable is not written, neither on HostA nor on HostB. Any help appreciated |
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| 09:37.19 | phogg | local: that creates a variable on the remote host called REMOTEHOST and assigns it the host name, then throws it away when the remote shell exits |
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| 09:37.47 | phogg | local: you want: remotehost=$(ssh root@myhost hostname) |
| 09:37.57 | local | phogg: yes, I thought about that. Can you tell me, how I can write it onto a local variable which will persists the ssh connection termination? |
| 09:38.09 | local | phogg let me try |
| 09:38.10 | phogg | local: by convention ALL_CAPS variable names are environment variables. You should avoid all caps for your own variables. |
| 09:38.22 | local | oh ok, didnt know that, thank you |
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| 09:39.20 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:40.47 | local | phogg: that's it, thank you |
| 09:41.33 | eb0t | i am learning to search for packages and dont know if im doing it right....i do $ sudo apt-cache search firefox themes |
| 09:41.44 | eb0t | and get nothing |
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| 09:43.51 | Myrtti | first of all, you don't need sudo for apt-cache |
| 09:44.09 | eb0t | what is it i need...as that doesnt seem to work |
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| 09:44.40 | Myrtti | and secondly there doesn't seem to be anything related to firefox themes in the default repositories |
| 09:44.50 | Myrtti | what were you exactly looking for? |
| 09:45.02 | eb0t | im trying to change the appearance of iceweasle |
| 09:45.37 | Myrtti | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/themes/ |
| 09:46.08 | Myrtti | if you're looking for changing the appearance of iceweasel alone |
| 09:46.11 | eb0t | oh that isnt debian..will it affect my dependencies etc myrtti |
| 09:46.16 | Myrtti | no |
| 09:46.40 | eb0t | yes i just want to change the appearance of iceweasle....what do you mean by alone. |
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| 09:47.18 | Myrtti | if you want to change the appearance of every app you run, then you need to change the theme of whatever desktop environment you're using |
| 09:47.27 | eb0t | ah i see... |
| 09:47.32 | eb0t | no just iceweasle |
| 09:47.43 | Iridos | this is also per-user |
| 09:48.34 | eb0t | thats fine...per user will work for me |
| 09:49.25 | Myrtti | and also per firefox profile |
| 09:50.01 | eb0t | right ...but it looks easy to change...really i would settle for standard firefox |
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| 09:50.29 | eb0t | its the text more than anything that i dont like..the text used on my bookmarks |
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| 09:53.06 | Iridos | the font is part of a theme? |
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| 09:59.15 | yang | where exactly can I define xdm start at boot ? I mean it goes to console ATM |
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| 10:02.36 | surfn_ | hi, I've got a raspberry pi, and I'm having problems deleting networks with wpa_gui - and I can't find the location of the configuration file to manually remove it. Can anyone lend a hand? |
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| 10:03.13 | local | surfn_: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 10:03.18 | boudiccas | what is the programme please, that allows you to install .debs from the desktop? |
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| 10:03.59 | surfn_ | local: it's empty and yet... |
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| 10:04.24 | local | surfn_: already tried #raspberrypi channel? |
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| 10:04.54 | surfn_ | yeah, local, no one is there |
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| 10:05.05 | surfn_ | that's cool. I'll be patient. Cheers |
| 10:05.28 | boudiccas | i'd hardly count 410 people as 'no-one'! |
| 10:05.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell surfn_ -about raspbian |
| 10:06.52 | surfn_ | boudiccas: babilen, I've asked in raspbian |
| 10:06.54 | surfn_ | cheers |
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| 10:08.20 | boudiccas | surfn_; just have to hang around then till someone wakes up then :) |
| 10:08.33 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I've downloaded the debian live rescue iso, do I just dd it to my USB stick and that should work? |
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| 10:12.41 | ksk | he left already? Oo |
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| 10:14.17 | local | When I try to run "su -c 'ssh-copy-id root@foobar' johndoe" I am getting the error "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)". When I first do a "su johndoe" and afterwards the "ssh-copy-id root@foobar" it works. Any clues how to by-pass this keyboard-interactive stuff? |
| 10:14.19 | italian-cruncher | ksk, I guess he was just too impatient to try debian |
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| 10:18.01 | boudiccas | what is the programme please, that allows you to install .debs from the desktop? |
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| 10:18.32 | violet-rpi_ | dovecot-core : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17) but 2.13-38 is installed. << how do i fuix this? and get experimental pkg for libc6? |
| 10:19.31 | jamesdotnet | boudiccas: gdebi? |
| 10:19.42 | rozie | hello. do you reccomend anything else than integrit and chkrootkit/rkhunter for monitoring if system (desktop) hasn't been modified? |
| 10:19.55 | rozie | s/reccomend/recommend/ |
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| 10:20.58 | boudiccas | jamesdotnet; possibly thanks, just trying to install it atm |
| 10:22.06 | deego | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, I am asked whether to allow PAM to handle such things as unix authentication. |
| 10:22.37 | deego | Which one should I choose? :) |
| 10:22.59 | ksk | the one thats "pre-chosen" ;) |
| 10:23.10 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.40 | deego | :) |
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| 10:26.22 | jelly | deego: you really want to leave unix auth enabled. |
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| 10:27.58 | deego | jelly: thanks. |
| 10:28.45 | violet-rpi_ | ah i just need to move to sid i guess to get glibc2.17 |
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| 10:29.29 | violet-rpi_ | so just replace wheezy with sid in sources and update/upgrade with apt-get? |
| 10:29.52 | violet-rpi_ | and yes i dont care if it breaks... |
| 10:30.11 | rozie | violet-rpi_: did you check backports? |
| 10:30.30 | violet-rpi_ | i have no idea what backports are :( |
| 10:30.43 | rozie | violet-rpi_: you can also try chroot with sid |
| 10:31.11 | violet-rpi_ | is new to debian , experienced gentoo user tho ... |
| 10:31.21 | rozie | and finally: apt-get update; apt-get (dist-)upgrade will upgrade whole system |
| 10:31.34 | rozie | probably you should read about apt pinning |
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| 10:32.29 | violet-rpi_ | it is a citrix xen vm with snapshots anyway i can roll back ;) |
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| 10:36.26 | violet-rpi_ | there seems to be a bug in dovecot-lmtpd <2.2 and 2.2 needs glibc2.17 and i guess you cant really mix testing with that glibc version |
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| 10:39.20 | prem__ | how to set gdm3 login sound in debian wheezy |
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| 10:44.41 | rozie | violet-rpi_: just upgrade to unstable if so |
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| 10:45.18 | rozie | change in sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade works most of the time ;) |
| 10:45.43 | rozie | but reading upgrade manual is always recommended |
| 10:46.16 | babilen | violet-rpi_: Whatever you are trying to do: Do *not* ever under no circumstances mix stable with testing or unstable. |
| 10:46.48 | violet-rpi_ | yah i get that logic |
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| 10:47.15 | babilen | violet-rpi_: Given that you want to install dovecot: Are you sriously considering running a production system on unstable? |
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| 10:47.44 | violet-rpi_ | it is a testing box wi-th only mail for lan |
| 10:47.56 | rozie | babilen: he's not a baby... |
| 10:48.12 | local | if I define a "function() { echo bla }" can I call this function somehow as user foobar ? |
| 10:48.34 | babilen | I never implied anything of that sort, I simply want to understand the background to the problem. |
| 10:48.40 | babilen | local: Are you looking for #bash ? |
| 10:48.48 | local | babilen: yes |
| 10:49.23 | babilen | violet-rpi_: Fair enough (just to let you know, we have a wonderful channel on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support called #debian-next) |
| 10:49.30 | rozie | babilen: just a gentoo user wants to test something on Debian and needs newer glibc ;) |
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| 10:50.06 | rozie | has snapshot, not production. his system, his job ;) |
| 10:50.10 | babilen | libc6 2.17 is already in both jessie and sid. |
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| 10:55.39 | codygman | What is a good lightweight torrent client? |
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| 10:56.32 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 10:56.39 | d3xter | is there any way to log the ping packets my machine receives? |
| 10:56.44 | local | if I define a "function() { echo bla }" can I call this function somehow as user foobar ? I am using bash |
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| 11:00.46 | babilen | local: As mentioned earlier: Try #bash (as in the #bash IRC channel, join it with "/join #bash" if you are new to IRC) -- And if you define that function in your bash startup files for that user (or globally) then, yes, you can call it as that user. |
| 11:01.21 | vlt | codygman: rtorrent or maybe aria2 |
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| 11:02.00 | d3xter | is there any way to log the ping packets my machine receives? |
| 11:02.20 | codygman | vlt: thanks |
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| 11:02.55 | vlt | d3xter: iptables and its target LOG |
| 11:03.04 | d3xter | vlt: ok, thanks |
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| 11:03.58 | vlt | d3xter: Something like `iptables -p icmp [-d ...] [-i ...] -j LOG` |
| 11:04.27 | vlt | d3xter: Or in userspace: tcpdump |
| 11:04.44 | d3xter | vlt: ok, thanks. already googling it :) |
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| 11:11.58 | eb0t | when i do an lsmod .....ip_tables is not there |
| 11:12.20 | eb0t | but when i try and install ip tables my machine seems to think it is there |
| 11:12.25 | eb0t | any ideas |
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| 11:22.27 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
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| 11:24.58 | musca | eb0t: the package only contains the user-space administration tools for the Linux kernel's netfilter and iptables. |
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| 11:25.22 | uosiu | Hi all. Did anyone had to get information about RAID array status in HP SmartArray P220i? Kernel module is hpsa |
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| 11:31.10 | martin__1 | How can I set debian to use /etc/network/interfaces instead of the gui network manager? |
| 11:31.38 | musca | uosiu: No, but "apt-cache search smart array controller" lets me find cciss-vol-status - a HP SmartArray RAID Volume Status Checker |
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| 11:32.43 | musca | martin__1: just do it, network-manager will ignore any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:37.39 | Bugson | hello guys I'm on 32-bits wheezy and I'm trying to install Windows 7 64bits on it using qemu, sadly even when I use qemu-system-x86_64 and -cpu (host|qemu64|kvm64) the windows installer says that the cpu doesn't support 64-bit |
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| 11:37.47 | Bugson | the processor is kvm cappable |
| 11:38.02 | Bugson | any ideas what might be the problem |
| 11:38.04 | Bugson | ? |
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| 11:38.34 | Bugson | is even possible to virtualize 64-bit on 32-bit OS? |
| 11:38.41 | Bugson | is it* |
| 11:39.38 | rozie | should be |
| 11:39.53 | rozie | but don't have 32bit on 64bit capable machine to check |
| 11:39.58 | rozie | try aquemu |
| 11:40.03 | rozie | aqemu* |
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| 11:40.27 | Bugson | aqemu first heard of it |
| 11:40.33 | Bugson | will read about it |
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| 11:41.04 | Bugson | ohh gui it is console only server |
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| 11:43.36 | boudiccas | how do i join the audio group please? |
| 11:45.12 | jelly | boudiccas: adduser yourusername audio; log off and back on |
| 11:45.29 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 11:45.43 | rozie | Bugson: it just runs qemu |
| 11:45.52 | fnmueller | well, would a -a -G not be beneficial? |
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| 11:46.47 | Bugson | rozie: yes but I don't have DE there, only command line |
| 11:46.52 | rozie | Bugson: so you can easily create custom config (with 64bit machine) and copy command (there's option to see command) |
| 11:47.23 | Bugson | I'll try any linux iso whether it's fault of the OS or the qemu |
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| 11:52.15 | musca | Bugson: find the longmode (lm) flag with: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:57.04 | eb0t | so is iptables not a module in the kernel |
| 11:57.15 | eb0t | on centos it is ...why not on debian |
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| 11:59.16 | Bugson | musca: yes it's there |
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| 11:59.58 | musca | it's the 64bit capability |
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| 12:00.05 | Bugson | generally I had some old extra arguments on the command line |
| 12:00.21 | jelly | eb0t: the functionality accessible with iptables userspace is split into many modules; the set of modules depends on the kernel version and build configuration |
| 12:00.33 | Bugson | I run this command: qemu-system-x86_64 -vnc :0 -machine type=pc,accel=kvm -enable-kvm -cpu qemu64 -smp cores 4 -m 2047M -monitor stdio image.qcow -cdrom arch.iso |
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| 12:00.39 | eb0t | ah ..thanks for clearing that up jelly |
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| 12:00.46 | Bugson | when I remove -enable-kvm and -machine section |
| 12:00.51 | Bugson | it does work |
| 12:00.54 | musca | Bugson: try #kvm for this specializing topic |
| 12:01.21 | Bugson | musca: allready did the subject is closed only reporting here |
| 12:01.43 | zophy | hi mom |
| 12:03.24 | drybjed | I found a bug in linux kernel 3.2 from Wheezy - shutting down LXC container causes host to crash with kernel panic. bug is fixed in recent kernels, is there a chance for update to 3.2 Debian kernel or should I use 3.10 from wheezy-backports? |
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| 12:08.46 | eb0t | how can i list my command buffer in debian rather than uparrowing 1 by 1 in terminal |
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| 12:11.03 | eb0t | i want to see my last 100 commands that i input to terminal |
| 12:11.55 | drybjed | eb0t: look in ~/.bash_history |
| 12:12.11 | eb0t | ah thanks drybjed |
| 12:12.34 | musca | eb0t: the file is written after you exit from the shell |
| 12:13.00 | jelly | eb0t: "history" shell builtin command is your friend |
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| 12:13.56 | eb0t | great stuff musca drybjed and jelly ...i can see my commands now to find where i messed up |
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| 12:25.21 | martin__1 | martin__1: just do it, network-manager will ignore any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:25.26 | martin__1 | musca |
| 12:25.41 | martin__1 | I only see lo and not eth0, will that be an issue? |
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| 12:26.48 | martin__1 | http://pastebin.com/yKwidgL4 this is all that is in my interfaces, eth0 is missing. I dont know if that is relevant. |
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| 12:31.05 | musca | martin__1: if you insert a configuration line for eth0, then network-manager will ignore eth0 |
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| 12:33.45 | martin__1 | musca: I see |
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| 12:45.28 | Twinkletoes | Can anyone help me troubleshoot an aptitude error? The error is "E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the mysql-server-5.5 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." and it's not to do with disk space |
| 12:46.53 | Twinkletoes | I'm running Debian 7, and this happens with every package I try to install or remove. |
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| 12:49.54 | themill | dpkg: tell Twinkletoes about bat |
| 12:50.06 | Twinkletoes | I Seem to have fixed it by forcefully removing the package with with dpkg and installing with aptitude again |
| 12:50.07 | themill | Twinkletoes: perhaps you can pastebin some output as suggested by dpkg |
| 12:50.32 | Twinkletoes | themill: aptitude was showing 'd' for "Package will be deleted", so it was sort of stuck |
| 12:50.36 | Twinkletoes | Seems to work now! |
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| 13:00.09 | raz | hrm, how do i install libboost with multithreading? |
| 13:00.29 | Iridos | bat? |
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| 13:01.27 | Iridos | bat... see basic apt-get troubleshooting" .... well, that's completely non-obvious to me |
| 13:01.52 | Iridos | raz, recompile your own version? |
| 13:02.00 | Iridos | with the options you want? |
| 13:02.05 | Iridos | dpkg, tell raz about package recompile |
| 13:02.29 | raz | hrmpf |
| 13:02.41 | raz | seems to have to do with gcc 4.7 |
| 13:02.53 | raz | i'm coming from here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/phusion-passenger/XrmdIIz7dm0/JmKcHvcCaAkJ |
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| 13:03.13 | Iridos | file a bug if it was supposed to be compiled in according to changelog/docu/whatever |
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| 13:04.23 | Iridos | well, first check if such a bug report exists... things like that will most probably not be fixed for stable |
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| 13:07.47 | themill | raz: Do you know how these options relate to the libboost-thread* packages? |
| 13:08.05 | raz | themill: it seems gcc 4.7 disables MT in boost |
| 13:08.15 | raz | i've downgraded to 4.6 for now, seeing if passenger compiles now |
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| 13:08.28 | raz | bit confused why this never bit me before, did wheezy always default to 4.7? |
| 13:08.45 | themill | fsvo always |
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| 13:12.20 | local | I would like to create a file called "host.list" and use one single line for one hostname (or ip-adress). I would like my script read this file, but it should ignore lines which start with #. How could I do that? |
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| 13:13.58 | eb0t | grep -v # filename |
| 13:14.58 | eb0t | will output (write only lines that dont contain # |
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| 13:16.20 | local | eb0t: I solved it, like that --> for host in $( grep '^[^#;]' host.list ); do; dosomethingwith $host; done |
| 13:16.24 | local | thank you however |
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| 13:16.46 | eb0t | good stuff |
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| 13:17.08 | themill | local: you might like to look at grep's "-v" option |
| 13:17.19 | local | themill: I will replace that part, thank you |
| 13:17.30 | zykotick9 | local: just wondering, are you trying to ping the hosts to see if they are up? if so, you might be interested in sntop. |
| 13:17.44 | local | zykotick9: no,its something else |
| 13:17.54 | zykotick9 | local: ok. just checkin' |
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| 13:19.45 | macc | Hi, guys, I can't run c-icap server, debian squeeze, does someone help me? |
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| 13:21.28 | local | eb0t: but "grep -v '#' file.name" will output empty lines |
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| 13:23.13 | eb0t | empty lines....then your going to have to put a nother statement in to stop that |
| 13:23.22 | eb0t | ill see if i can find a work around |
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| 13:23.38 | themill | local: the shell will eat the blank lines |
| 13:23.51 | local | eb0t: then my grep '^[^#;]' host.list is much more comfortable I think |
| 13:24.03 | eb0t | you can use sed to get rid of blank lines |
| 13:24.15 | eb0t | but if your happy with your working thingy...then its good stuff |
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| 13:24.24 | local | eb0t: ok, thanks |
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| 13:25.31 | eb0t | if you wanted to use it ...it would be |
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| 13:26.07 | eb0t | sed '/^$/'d' file.name >> tt |
| 13:26.15 | eb0t | mv tt file.name |
| 13:26.22 | eb0t | so its 3 lines in all |
| 13:26.26 | eb0t | and you did it in 1 |
| 13:26.38 | themill | you don't need the sed |
| 13:27.04 | eb0t | the sed i showed you just removes all blank lines |
| 13:27.09 | eb0t | from the file |
| 13:27.19 | themill | you don't need to do that for the for loop |
| 13:27.44 | eb0t | not for the for loop |
| 13:28.03 | eb0t | then it would be repeatedly trying to remove all blank lines |
| 13:28.32 | themill | I prefer to avoid trying to solve non-problems ;) |
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| 13:33.59 | Zzeiss | Thumbs up to whoever put all this good stuff into dpkg. Big thanks! |
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| 13:41.15 | wz9 | which is the easiest way to copy videos to an apple ipad from debian? |
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| 13:42.33 | Iridos | huh. Email? |
| 13:42.41 | eb0t | memory stick |
| 13:42.54 | Iridos | ipads have usb ports? |
| 13:43.09 | wz9 | yes |
| 13:43.20 | wz9 | no memory stick slot |
| 13:43.35 | wz9 | can't email a movie ;) |
| 13:43.44 | wz9 | i have installed banshee |
| 13:43.52 | eb0t | memoruy stick is a usb port |
| 13:43.56 | Iridos | sure can... just need an email account with a few gb... |
| 13:43.58 | wz9 | i have also followed https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 13:43.58 | eb0t | it goes there |
| 13:44.31 | wz9 | yes, but i have a slow internet connection |
| 13:44.43 | wz9 | so email/cloud is not an option |
| 13:44.45 | Iridos | wait, it doesn't... there's an adapter from the weird apple connection to usb |
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| 13:45.06 | pirret | transfer the file on lan to an ipad? |
| 13:45.37 | pirret | or just buy proped tablet thats not apple product |
| 13:45.40 | pirret | proper |
| 13:45.43 | wz9 | :) |
| 13:45.44 | koollman | wz9: wifi connection ? I bet there are 'ftp server' apps or something similar |
| 13:45.47 | jazka | there are apps like goodplayer for the ipad |
| 13:45.51 | wz9 | too late for that |
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| 13:45.56 | jazka | which have builtin ftp server |
| 13:46.06 | pirret | proper |
| 13:46.10 | wz9 | i have already bought this pretty metal slate with a glass front |
| 13:46.34 | wz9 | koollman i am from the stone ages, i only have ethernet |
| 13:46.36 | Iridos | actually... can't you open a support case with Apple for that? |
| 13:46.46 | koollman | wz9: yeah. and an ipad |
| 13:46.56 | koollman | wz9: try engraving the symbols on it with a rock ? |
| 13:47.03 | wz9 | hehe |
| 13:47.30 | Iridos | I think the #debian answer would kinda be jailbreak it and use scp |
| 13:47.44 | eb0t | if its a local lan maybe you can run either ftp server on debian or tftp server and send yr file that way |
| 13:48.47 | Iridos | wz9, but seriously... the libimobile stuff depends on your iOS version... but not exclusively. stuff periodically breaks. |
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| 13:49.36 | wz9 | Iridos: heres what i have done, i followed the manual for getting iphones to play nice with Debian from the Debian wiki |
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| 13:50.08 | wz9 | i am not able to move audio files from my linux machine to it |
| 13:50.19 | wz9 | its the videos that i am having trouble with |
| 13:50.32 | wz9 | the way it works is quite illogical |
| 13:50.38 | wz9 | it renames all files |
| 13:50.57 | wz9 | so that only itunes can make sense from the file names? |
| 13:52.01 | wz9 | i am copying audio at the moment, let me see if banshee manages to get audio files into the ipad |
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| 13:53.03 | MrMonkey31 | shouts "good morning, #debian" |
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| 13:54.40 | deego | Good morning MrMonkey31 |
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| 13:55.34 | deego | from a freshly upgraded squeeze->wheezy machine. God, kde freezes, gnome's unity-fied. Switched to xfce, and loving it. |
| 13:56.21 | deego | (Was it that hard, kde and gnome, to just keep things functional, and not make me jump through hoops every upgrade?) |
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| 13:56.54 | Iridos | wz9, it does... and puts the weird name into a database and doesn't find any videos/audios that you put there manually without having them entered into the database... but that (the weirdness of iOS and its programs) is not a topic for #debian |
| 13:56.59 | quattr8 | How do i get autocomplete to work in bash like it does on redhat/centos? |
| 13:57.31 | themill | quattr8: is bash-completion installed? |
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| 13:57.55 | MrMonkey31 | deego, gnomes are notoriously mischievous |
| 13:57.56 | quattr8 | yes it works for cd but not for example for vim |
| 13:58.32 | eb0t | to be honest wz9 the best thing you can do is get rid of all the apple gear.....maybe buy a cheap old apple pc..for graphical things...and get yoruself a proper tablet |
| 13:58.57 | eb0t | for music videos and computing |
| 13:59.05 | deego | MrMonkey31: :)c |
| 13:59.06 | themill | quattr8: in what way? |
| 13:59.35 | eb0t | quattr8 do you mean tab completion |
| 13:59.49 | quattr8 | for example with 4 files in the current directory if i type vim and tab tab twice it does not show any of the files |
| 13:59.55 | quattr8 | eb0t: yes |
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| 14:01.17 | themill | quattr8: have you logged out and logged back in since installing the bash-completion package? |
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| 14:01.59 | zykotick9 | quattr8: in your example, are any of those 4 files actually text? |
| 14:03.14 | quattr8 | ah yeah I see now in debian it seems to filter only text files |
| 14:03.36 | quattr8 | it does seem to work (only for text files tho) how can I make it work for any filetype? |
| 14:04.17 | wz9 | the only way i get to keep Debian on the home PC is by making sure everyones devices work with it, and so here i am trying to get the ipad to work ;) |
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| 14:04.41 | val_erie | Hi, I installed backupPC in debian wheezy and need to create key with ssh-keygen for the backuppc user that has home directory in /var/lib/backuppc. I can not find a nice howto for debian, so I am using one for ubuntu. This tutorial has sudo su - backuppc command to switch to backuppc user with root privileges, but it is not working in debian. Can anyone direct me to a functional backuppc in dbian tutorial or guide me in |
| 14:04.42 | val_erie | how to switch to backupc user correctly? |
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| 14:05.20 | wz9 | val_erie: try running the command without sudo |
| 14:05.23 | OpenTokix | val_erie: you have to be root to be able to su - username |
| 14:05.25 | jelly | val_erie: run "su - backuppc" as root |
| 14:05.37 | jelly | sudo is just one way to run things as root |
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| 14:13.16 | val_erie | wz9, OpenTokix jelly , when I use su-backuppc, I get bash: su-backuppc: command not found, if I use su backuppc, I get $ prompt . i am not sure wha this $ means? |
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| 14:13.32 | OpenTokix | val_erie: su - backuppc not su-backuppc |
| 14:13.37 | OpenTokix | su is a command |
| 14:14.00 | OpenTokix | su is a command; - tells su to invoke a loginshell and backuppc is the user you are "su:ing" to |
| 14:15.26 | val_erie | OpenTokix, ok, I used su - backuppc and I am at $ . |
| 14:16.04 | val_erie | Does it mean backuppc has root privileges now? |
| 14:16.25 | jelly | val_erie: it probably means you have successfully opened a shell as user backuppc |
| 14:16.29 | OpenTokix | val_erie: no, it means you have the priviliges of backuppc |
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| 14:16.43 | jelly | val_erie: this can be confirmed by running "id" |
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| 14:17.00 | zykotick9 | val_erie: fyi, su is switch user, not super user as many incorrectly believe |
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| 14:20.59 | val_erie | ok, thanks, so noe I can just go to /var/lib/backuppc and create .ssh directory and ssh-key? |
| 14:21.28 | jelly | val_erie: are you not already there? |
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| 14:22.44 | val_erie | jellly, pwd returns /var/lib/backuppc. I do not have anything like backuppc@ hostname prompt, just $ |
| 14:23.04 | jelly | val_erie: so it's a different prompt. |
| 14:23.16 | jelly | that's a cosmetic difference |
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| 14:24.51 | val_erie | jelly, why the prompt is different ? Is it still bash? |
| 14:24.52 | jelly | val_erie: because you're on a different distro |
| 14:24.52 | jelly | val_erie: because backuppc user's login shell is different than on ubuntu |
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| 14:25.03 | jelly | val_erie: I don't know. It's not relevant. |
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| 14:25.40 | jelly | it might not even be bash at all, but whatever debian uses as /bin/sh |
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| 14:26.38 | val_erie | jelly, right it is not relevant, as long as it works. I am going to go ahead and start creating key and the rest, thanks |
| 14:26.49 | jelly | *nod* |
| 14:27.40 | jelly | there are all sorts of little (and not so little) differences between distros, and between releases of the same distro as well |
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| 14:29.47 | kchehab | please can you provide me by a link to download debian 64 bit for server not for home user |
| 14:30.36 | jelly | kchehab: the same installer is used for both |
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| 14:31.06 | jelly | kchehab: at the task selection screen, make sure to uncheck the desktop environment task |
| 14:31.08 | kchehab | jelly but i want to install only one disk can i ? |
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| 14:31.48 | jelly | kchehab: you're going to end up installing most stuff from the internet anyway |
| 14:33.33 | kchehab | jelly for xion server and HP server can i install debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 14:34.13 | jelly | kchehab: yes. you may need firmware for network cards to make them work, depending on the model |
| 14:34.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell kchehab about firmware images |
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| 14:35.28 | kchehab | jelly HP and dell are using intel boards so i should tun amd image or ia64 |
| 14:35.44 | martin__1 | I just installed a application though wine... the question remains. How do I run the file? |
| 14:35.45 | jelly | kchehab: amd64 is correct. |
| 14:35.48 | kchehab | run* |
| 14:35.59 | martin__1 | Why are there no application list for wine yet? Last time I tried it was like 10 years ago |
| 14:36.14 | MrMonkey31 | the other day somebody here told me I can't install + remove drivers (or "firmware"?) willy nilly as I want to, is that true for debian only or linux in general? |
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| 14:36.43 | kchehab | jelly there is debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso and debian-update-7.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 14:36.50 | kchehab | which one i should install |
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| 14:37.12 | jelly | kchehab: either the one you mentioned first, or the firmware netinst. |
| 14:37.48 | jelly | kchehab: if you're installing on a proliant, I'd go with the firmware image from the start |
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| 14:38.12 | mtn | martin__1: depends on the app. some will put an icon on desktop, some will need to be started from command line. |
| 14:38.31 | mtn | martin__1: best place for help with wine is #winehq on the freenode server. |
| 14:38.42 | kchehab | jelly yes i will be using proliant |
| 14:38.51 | kchehab | please can you send me the link |
| 14:38.58 | kchehab | since i cant test it i have one shot only |
| 14:39.19 | jelly | kchehab: did you read what dpkg sent you in private? |
| 14:39.37 | jelly | kchehab: the image at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 14:39.53 | kchehab | jelly i am still reading |
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| 14:40.25 | kchehab | jelly its non free which means i should buy it ? |
| 14:40.40 | jelly | !non-free |
| 14:40.41 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:41.11 | jelly | kchehab: it means the image contains software that debian does not consider to be "free software" |
| 14:41.44 | kchehab | jelly ok ,i am just a beginner , |
| 14:42.09 | kchehab | jelly issue if i start from it its 235 MB |
| 14:42.21 | kchehab | it will have only the OS |
| 14:42.22 | kchehab | right |
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| 14:43.02 | jelly | kchehab: you're supposed to have and configure a connection to the internet at installation time |
| 14:43.03 | kchehab | jelly please can you guide me from where i can get a package having the essentials |
| 14:43.14 | jelly | that's it |
| 14:43.17 | mcdermmn | im having a interesting nfs problem. when i mount by sudo i get mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Remote system error - No route to host |
| 14:43.18 | kchehab | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.24 | mcdermmn | when sudo -i first, then mount it works fine |
| 14:43.37 | jelly | kchehab: I just recommended using the firmware image instead. |
| 14:43.40 | mcdermmn | anyone know why? |
| 14:44.02 | kchehab | jelly and i should install driver or it has drivers included |
| 14:44.21 | jelly | kchehab: most of the drivers are included. |
| 14:44.33 | kchehab | jelly thanks |
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| 14:48.45 | boudiccas | i'm trying to install my favourite film player, whaaw, but it needs 'python2 >= 2.5' what would fulfill this in wheezy repos please? i've drawn a blank in finding it |
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| 14:50.08 | boudiccas | ,v python2 |
| 14:50.09 | judd | No package named 'python2' was found in i386. |
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| 14:53.21 | mtn | boudiccas: aptitude search python2.7 |
| 14:53.43 | mtn | boudiccas: this is a very useful website: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 14:54.19 | boudiccas | mtn; i've already got python2.6 and 2.7 but it wont run with either of them |
| 14:54.47 | themill | "won't run"? |
| 14:54.47 | boudiccas | i had it running on 'testing' so i know it can be cdone |
| 14:54.54 | mtn | boudiccas: sounds like a different problem than you asked about. 2.7 is greater than 2.5,which is what you mentioned. |
| 14:55.00 | boudiccas | yes, wait one themill |
| 14:55.21 | babilen | boudiccas: Did you reinstall your system? |
| 14:55.44 | MrMonkey31 | sayonara! |
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| 14:55.53 | boudiccas | python2 setup.py install --prefix=/usr python2:command not found |
| 14:56.08 | boudiccas | babilen; yes, currently on wheezy |
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| 14:56.21 | themill | boudiccas: that's the wrong value for prefix btw |
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| 14:56.43 | babilen | (and please don't install any software to /usr manually) |
| 14:56.50 | boudiccas | themill; using that command i was able to get it runing on testing |
| 14:57.07 | themill | that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do |
| 14:57.33 | themill | boudiccas: it should be "python" not "python2" and it should be /usr/local not /usr |
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| 14:58.17 | themill | wonders what's wrong with the hundred odd media players already in debian |
| 14:59.02 | mtn | themill: they are too easy to use ;) |
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| 15:00.04 | straterra | If I want to host a local Debian 7 x86_64 mirror..how much disk space am I looking at? |
| 15:00.30 | themill | dpkg: tell straterra about mirror size |
| 15:00.39 | themill | but you'd probably be better off with a caching proxy |
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| 15:01.18 | straterra | themill: Eh, I need it for offline provisioning of new machines |
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| 15:01.54 | straterra | 83 gigs? Holy jesus |
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| 15:02.36 | themill | you also need arch:all |
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| 15:02.55 | straterra | I assume that page is for all versions, not just Wheezy |
| 15:03.05 | themill | yes |
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| 15:04.06 | themill | straterra: http://paste.debian.net/46050/ |
| 15:04.42 | straterra | You have a database about debian packages? |
| 15:04.48 | themill | sure |
| 15:04.57 | babilen | hehe :) |
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| 15:05.39 | lautriv | ok, since lustre is in 3.11 i had a look on the actual server state and found the debian page about lustre which does V2.2 backport to squeeze but all the links to sources ending on 2.0 and no word about newer versions. anyone a link handy where i could d/l the latest source ? |
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| 15:06.11 | straterra | Looks like just shy of 50 gigs for amd64 only |
| 15:06.21 | straterra | Thanks. I am curious as to why you have a database with that info though :P |
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| 15:07.13 | themill | So we can answer questions like that? |
| 15:07.41 | straterra | I suppose. Seems like it would be a PITA to keep updated..but still cool. |
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| 15:08.15 | themill | cron keeps it updated |
| 15:08.32 | lautriv | straterra, i mirror the whole debian/multimedia/security stuff and it's worth each bit if you like to proceed fast with a setup/update. |
| 15:08.47 | eb0t | how do you set variables on debian ....remote_host=<the remote computer> |
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| 15:09.10 | themill | lautriv: well, you can do that just as easily and effectively with a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng |
| 15:09.34 | somiaj | eb0t: I don't think you mean in debian. Are you talking about variables in a shell script? in some paticular programining language? In some config file? |
| 15:09.41 | themill | the bonus being that you're using less storage and bandwidth to do so |
| 15:09.42 | lautriv | eb0t, is not debian but enviropnment-specific, yes for default. |
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| 15:10.36 | eb0t | in reading the wiki on how to set up ssh...and it says you musts define the following 2 variables remote_host and remote_user |
| 15:10.37 | lautriv | themill, that would give me only the already used parts. |
| 15:11.03 | themill | lautriv: well that's also your use case |
| 15:11.03 | eb0t | it doesnt really make sense..its badly written |
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| 15:11.46 | babilen | eb0t: Which article are you referring to? It is quite hard to answer your questions as don't really tell us what you are trying to do. |
| 15:11.54 | lautriv | eb0t, erm, wut ? just apot-get install openssh-server, create a key, deny passwd, done. |
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| 15:12.43 | eb0t | basically im trying to do something simple..but hte wiki on ssh is getting me confused |
| 15:12.59 | babilen | which wiki? |
| 15:13.04 | eb0t | its just debian.org/ssh |
| 15:13.07 | babilen | And what are you trying to do? |
| 15:13.09 | lautriv | eb0t, openssh installed ? |
| 15:13.13 | eb0t | im going to be doing a lot |
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| 15:13.25 | eb0t | yes openssh both client and server is installed |
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| 15:13.27 | themill | eb0t: that's a 404. Try again |
| 15:13.34 | somiaj | eb0t: page not found. Again you aren't giving us enough info what you are reading so we can't really help you understand what it means. |
| 15:13.49 | eb0t | its just http://debian.org/ssh |
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| 15:13.57 | themill | eb0t: no it's not |
| 15:14.09 | lautriv | eb0t, ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048 and answer truthfully (one invocation from each user who need to connect) |
| 15:14.11 | eb0t | oh sorry its on antoher computer |
| 15:14.19 | themill | wonders if there's a vagueness knob on eb0t that we can twiddle |
| 15:14.27 | eb0t | its just http://wiki.debian.org/ssh |
| 15:14.31 | babilen | eb0t: What are you trying to do? |
| 15:14.57 | eb0t | im just setting up both ssh client and server and also making a database of passwords |
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| 15:15.56 | babilen | I guess that eb0t is referring to https://wiki.debian.org/SSH |
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| 15:16.06 | Sevet_ | eb0t: do you mean https://wiki.debian.org/SSH it's case-sensitive |
| 15:16.17 | eb0t | oh i didnt know sorry |
| 15:16.24 | somiaj | eb0t: you keep giving bad links. Again it is hard to help if we are not sure what you are talking about, (: |
| 15:16.28 | eb0t | yes that is what i meant |
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| 15:16.41 | babilen | eb0t: So, you said that you have installed the server and clients; What are you trying to do next? |
| 15:16.46 | Sevet_ | eb0t: remote_host and remote_user aren't needed |
| 15:16.57 | Sevet_ | eb0t: they're variables they use in their command examples on the page |
| 15:17.11 | Sevet_ | eb0t: but you can/should use the real values |
| 15:17.18 | eb0t | next im trying to set up the remote host and user like the wiki says ...but i dont know how to set the variables |
| 15:17.24 | babilen | (if that wasn't evident from the examples themselves) |
| 15:17.33 | Sevet_ | "ssh $remote_user@$remote_host" -> "ssh eb0t@your.server.org" |
| 15:17.58 | eb0t | yes but it says they are variables.....which i interpret to mean like environment variables |
| 15:18.06 | babilen | eb0t: Forget about them, they are not important. They are simply placeholders that are used in the examples on that page. See Sevet_'s wonderful example ^^^ |
| 15:18.14 | Sevet_ | eb0t: they're shell variables, you set them by typing "name=value" on your shell and pressing enter |
| 15:18.21 | somiaj | yea they are just variables used in that documentation, kinda like a license agreement, the start defines some vocabulary that is used thoughout it |
| 15:18.30 | eb0t | yes i can do that...ah ok |
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| 15:18.46 | eb0t | well i wish debian would just say they are not configured variables |
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| 15:19.14 | eb0t | it says .....it will also be assumed that the following two variables are defined |
| 15:19.26 | eb0t | so i was trying to google where to define them |
| 15:20.20 | eb0t | seriously guys i really think they mean setting variables up properly |
| 15:20.38 | babilen | eb0t: yes, the rest of that article assumes that those variables are set. This is because the article uses these variables in its examples. What exactly don't you understand about that? You can either set the variables or replace the actual values in the examples. It really doesn't matter. |
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| 15:21.29 | eb0t | well i trust that you guys are right ....but the wording sent me on a wild goose chase..as defining variables normally means just that |
| 15:21.30 | babilen | eb0t: Those variables are specific to that article and you can use them or not. |
| 15:22.30 | eb0t | thanks guys for clearing that up |
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| 15:24.35 | Sevet_ | eb0t: in normal usage there's no point doing so, it's quicker to type user@host than set $user and $host and then type $user@$host... just about the only exception would be in scripts |
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| 15:25.59 | eb0t | sevet...in a script if i wanted to set those variables how would i do it |
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| 15:26.19 | eb0t | just user = xyz |
| 15:26.29 | Sevet_ | no spaces, yes |
| 15:26.40 | Sevet_ | exactly as shown on the wiki page |
| 15:26.52 | eb0t | great and then i could maybe echo user |
| 15:27.08 | Sevet_ | it'd be echo $user |
| 15:27.35 | eb0t | oh great ...i have done that with environment variables...so it applies to all variables...great stuff |
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| 15:30.30 | somiaj | well note these are shell variables, this is different than say a varriable in a config file, or a variable in another programing language |
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| 15:31.14 | eb0t | ah i suppose they only count for the life of the script ...or possibly the session somiaj |
| 15:31.31 | somiaj | correct |
| 15:31.49 | somiaj | the life of the shell |
| 15:32.00 | eb0t | thanks.. |
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| 15:32.52 | babilen | eb0t: This is bash specifci and you might want to take a look at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
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| 15:33.43 | eb0t | i most certainly will. babilen thanks |
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| 15:35.48 | eb0t | that is a good short summary of some great points ...about variables and the lot..thank you |
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| 15:43.07 | ksk | #bash is always nice and helpful, too |
| 15:43.48 | JmZ | is it possible to have SFTP use a different PAM module to normal SSH? |
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| 15:44.11 | JmZ | so i could essentially have "virtual users" in SFTP, but SSH only work for system users |
| 15:44.31 | Sevet_ | JmZ: no, selecting sftp doesn't happen until after the ssh session has been established |
| 15:44.42 | JmZ | bleh |
| 15:45.09 | Sevet_ | perhaps you could play with groups though, so that some groups are restricted to only having sftp access |
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| 15:45.53 | JmZ | Sevet_: there's a lot of virtual users, more every day, it doesn't make sense to create a system user for each |
| 15:46.22 | JmZ | how about stacking them? so it tries local users first, then whatever module? |
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| 15:46.40 | JmZ | and somehow make the virtual ones only have sftp |
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| 15:48.17 | JmZ | Sevet_: maybe have my custom module check their login then set the PAM_USER to a system user with nologin |
| 15:48.21 | JmZ | if thats possible |
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| 15:50.37 | Sevet_ | JmZ: afaik it'll still need a system account to do the sftp access with, why not use something like ldap to make a large number of system users manageable? |
| 15:51.12 | JmZ | Sevet_: thats what i mean, check their auth details then set pam_user to an ACTUAL system user |
| 15:51.43 | JmZ | so the system sees them as this system user but their virtual details were checked initially |
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| 15:53.14 | JmZ | this is going to be some hacky authentication lol |
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| 16:09.49 | eb0t | my domain name is ebot.com....my hostname is debian........therefore my fqdn is debian.ebot.com..... |
| 16:10.21 | eb0t | when my pc gets its ip address from dhcp does it supply the dhcp server with its domain name ...or its fdqn ? |
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| 16:26.24 | Walex | eb0t: it supplies its Ethernet address, and _optional_ an identity string. The DHCP server _optionally_ sends it host and domain name. |
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| 16:57.15 | bodeezl | howdy all |
| 16:57.33 | bodeezl | i have debian 7 wheezy installed 64b amd and cant seem to find a good tutorial on how to get steam installed |
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| 16:58.14 | somiaj | bodeezl: gettign steam in debian 7 isn't that easy, as the binaries are not built against debian 7s libs |
| 16:58.22 | eb0t | walex ..but how are other pcs on my local lan going to communicate with my pc if the router doesnt have my domain name |
| 16:58.36 | eb0t | as i dont want to do it via ip address...because that changes every day |
| 16:58.42 | somiaj | eb0t: you can set up local names in /etc/hosts so you don't have to rember ip numbers |
| 16:58.59 | somiaj | eb0t: oh if you have ip addys that change you might want to consider using static ip address |
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| 16:59.07 | somiaj | eb0t: other wise you will ahve to set up some dynamic DNS server |
| 16:59.09 | bodeezl | somiaj, would upgrading to jessy be any help or would it be more of a downgrade |
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| 16:59.27 | eb0t | ah...you see i thought my dns server on my router did that automatically |
| 16:59.36 | somiaj | bodeezl: the steam package in sid installed just fine here. I woudln't upgrade unless you know what you are doing. jessie and sid can both be broken and need to be fixed. |
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| 16:59.45 | jhutchins | eb0t: There are many ways to approach it. |
| 16:59.52 | somiaj | eb0t: no your routers dns is mostly a relay to the internet, it doesn't have a local dns on it. |
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| 17:00.03 | somiaj | eb0t: I think static ips are the easiest |
| 17:00.06 | eb0t | i thought it used something called stateful dhcp...which means it takes my pc info when it isses me an address |
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| 17:00.15 | jhutchins | eb0t: You can run a local DNS for your network. |
| 17:00.26 | eb0t | right that sounds like what i want to do |
| 17:00.35 | somiaj | eb0t: correct, you can have your dhcp server issue the static ip address by mac address |
| 17:00.37 | jhutchins | eb0t: If you're running the dhcp server, you can link it to the DNS server to synchronize the names. |
| 17:01.03 | TheWarden | Hi, does anyone know why Debian would boot up fine but then not load X Windows at startup unless a monitor is plugged in? I need it to load without a monitor. |
| 17:01.06 | jhutchins | eb0t: You can also reserve IP addresses to specific MAC addresses so machines always get the same IP. |
| 17:01.30 | eb0t | yes i can do that on my router...but i wanted to so it the hard way |
| 17:01.48 | jhutchins | eb0t: Unless you're dealing with a provider dhcp that forces new IPs it is fairly common for machines to have a persistent IP associated with their DHCP lease. |
| 17:02.15 | vlt | TheWarden: You could check Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:02.22 | jhutchins | TheWarden: WHat good does having X loaded do without a monitor? |
| 17:02.33 | eb0t | yes i think my machines have a preffered ip |
| 17:02.36 | somiaj | TheWarden: it could be an issue with the graphics driver you are using requiring detection of the monintor. Why do you need xorg to start up with out a monintor? |
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| 17:03.30 | TheWarden | I need it loading without a monitor because at present its setup to auto load Rhythmbox and then to start playing music automatically. |
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| 17:03.54 | somiaj | TheWarden: I would suggest using some player that isn't dependent on xrog. mpd comes to mind |
| 17:04.03 | vlt | TheWarden: mpd |
| 17:04.05 | somiaj | TheWarden: with mpd you can actually control the server from a client on another machine |
| 17:04.22 | TheWarden | I agree that would be a great option but I don't want to put more time into setting up a new configuration. just prefer to make this work for now. |
| 17:04.41 | vlt | TheWarden: Then try to find out in Xorg.log |
| 17:05.13 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Probably need to generate an xorg.conf |
| 17:05.44 | TheWarden | what minimal stuff should I have in xorg.conf? |
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| 17:09.38 | centval | hi, i'm having trouble building python 2.5.6 on deb 7 |
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| 17:10.18 | centval | it dies when building sqlite3 extension, i installed sqlite3 and headers |
| 17:10.32 | centval | here is the error on make, and a list of files with "sqlite" in them in my lib dir: http://www.bpaste.net/show/xB61NDE7ljaLyfohyM0M/ |
| 17:11.12 | zerick | centval, do you really need python 2.5.6 ? |
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| 17:11.32 | centval | zerick: yes, I am developing software that runs on python 2.5 |
| 17:11.41 | centval | zerick: I have to run python 2.5 so I can test it |
| 17:12.07 | centval | this is people having a similar issue w/ cygwin: http://bugs.python.org/issue1706863 |
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| 17:12.24 | centval | i think my problem is maybe that the sqlite shared library is not in the place that the python installer exepcts it to be, which is why i included that `find` command |
| 17:12.49 | vlt | centval: Could you setup a virtual machine with an older Debian that ships with Python 2.5? |
| 17:13.02 | centval | sure, but why? |
| 17:13.05 | vlt | centval: Or just a chroot anvironment? |
| 17:13.08 | vlt | *e |
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| 17:13.23 | centval | let's leave that as the "last resort" option |
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| 17:13.42 | centval | that's a pretty dire way to try to fix things... |
| 17:13.52 | centval | "install another OS" |
| 17:13.55 | zerick | centval, maybe using virtualenv |
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| 17:14.03 | somiaj | centval: my suggestion is to build a squeeze chroot and run your application inside of that. |
| 17:14.08 | centval | zerick: that doesn't make any sense |
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| 17:14.19 | centval | zerick: that's not even what virtualenv does |
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| 17:14.37 | eb0t | jhutchins and somiaj...im going to set up the ips and domain names statically...and then set up a dhcp server on my pc...and disable the one on my router, then try and work out how to configure local dns |
| 17:14.40 | eb0t | thanks |
| 17:14.42 | centval | building the appropriate py version comes before all else |
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| 17:14.52 | somiaj | centval: what source are you using to build python2.5? |
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| 17:15.01 | centval | somiaj: the official sources |
| 17:15.08 | centval | somiaj: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.6/ |
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| 17:15.41 | centval | and I do need sqlite3 support so i can't just disable that :\ |
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| 17:16.10 | somiaj | centval: well the error I see is the version of sqlite3 doesn't support some attribute that is needed in the source. This could be it just isnt' compadable. I think a chroot would be the easiest |
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| 17:16.29 | centval | somiaj: please see http://bugs.python.org/issue1706863 |
| 17:16.38 | somiaj | centval: the other suggestion I have is would the python 2.5.5 work? If so you could see if the source from squeeze compiles/runs easier |
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| 17:16.40 | centval | somiaj: this happens when the sqlite3 library cannot be found |
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| 17:17.02 | centval | somiaj: i have no reason to believe that a minor vsn difference will matter. i get this w/ 2.5.6 and this issue was with 2.5.1 |
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| 17:17.22 | centval | somiaj: rather the issue seems to be with the location of the sqlite library, but i don't know how to fix that |
| 17:17.22 | joelwallis | Hi. I need to build a multiterminal with Debian. I'm searching for information but I haven't found anything useful related to it in debian.org |
| 17:17.38 | joelwallis | does anyone knows any documentation, or maybe softwares that allow me to do that? |
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| 17:17.41 | somiaj | centval: my suggestion is maybe there are some patches on the debian source to make it compile easier. You have the libsqlite0-dev isntalled? |
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| 17:18.05 | somiaj | eb0t: if you have static ips, /etc/hosts is a far similer way than a local dns server |
| 17:18.23 | centval | somiaj: no, i'm installing that now |
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| 17:18.34 | centval | i assumed i only needed sqlite3 things |
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| 17:19.08 | somiaj | centval: oh yea I didn't see libsqlite3-dev that is probabaly the one you ened isntalled. |
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| 17:19.19 | eb0t | yes its good advice...but im trying to learn about command line and networking...so i want to set it up the hard way for experience and learning really. |
| 17:19.21 | somiaj | centval: dpkg -S sqlite3.h return anything? |
| 17:19.24 | eb0t | its just good to know it can be done |
| 17:19.39 | centval | somiaj: the configure says for a while that sqlite3.h is found, i am not concerned about that |
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| 17:20.08 | centval | somiaj: this seems to be that the static or dynamic library itself is not found. the rfind() exception is because the library seearch returns None and not a valid path |
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| 17:20.14 | kyle__ | Anyone here using wheezy with a udlfb (usb video card) along side a normal card? |
| 17:20.28 | kyle__ | I can get one working, or the other, but not both. |
| 17:20.42 | centval | >> dpkg -S sqlite3.h # libsqlite3-dev: /usr/include/sqlite3.h |
| 17:20.53 | centval | so, it is found |
| 17:21.27 | centval | hehe i could use py24 which has no sqlite support :) |
| 17:21.38 | somiaj | centval: again it may not be possible to compile against a newer version of sqlite3. But I'm not sure there. Another option is you could try to see if you can get the python .debs from squeeze and just see if they install. Their depends seem to be all >= so it may work. |
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| 17:22.27 | somiaj | I still think a squeeze chroot would be the nicest and easiset way |
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| 17:25.25 | centval | ok, here's the million dollar question |
| 17:25.29 | centval | that a debian person might know |
| 17:25.41 | centval | why is my sqlite3 library at /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so |
| 17:25.48 | centval | and not at /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so? |
| 17:25.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell centval -about multiarch |
| 17:26.25 | centval | babilen: what do i do with this? |
| 17:26.32 | centval | babilen: how does this apply to my issue? I don't understand |
| 17:26.37 | babilen | You read the referenced wiki page(s) ? |
| 17:26.41 | lautriv | anyone found a link for recent lustre-sources ? i can find only sources for 2.0 and before but even debian squeeze had 2.2 |
| 17:26.46 | centval | babilen: is there no libsqite3 for 64? |
| 17:27.05 | centval | babilen: did i make a mistake in using the 64bit distro? |
| 17:27.21 | centval | babilen: i thought nowadays stuff like this was a non-issue for most libraries |
| 17:27.25 | babilen | centval: Naturally there is |
| 17:27.40 | centval | so why does my installed library end up at that path? |
| 17:28.05 | babilen | centval: Mind pasting the output of "dpkg --print-architecture" "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" and "apt-cache policy babilen@asasello: ~ $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0 |
| 17:28.20 | centval | oh whee, another debian "radical rethinking of the filesystem hierarchy" |
| 17:28.26 | centval | :( |
| 17:28.45 | babilen | centval: Err, the last command is wrong. Make that "apt-cache policy libsqlite3-0:amd64 libsqlite3-0:i386" |
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| 17:29.44 | centval | babilen: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 17:29.49 | centval | babilen: sorry, i386 |
| 17:30.06 | babilen | centval: This has nothing to do with changing the FHS, but simply allows us (and our users) to install packages for different architectures at the same time. It *finally* allowed us to get rid of the horrible hack that were the ia32-lib* packages. I consider this to be a very elegant and modern solution to many problems that arise in a multi-architecture world. |
| 17:30.22 | babilen | centval: Please use a single pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net to provide the output :) |
| 17:30.25 | centval | oh, i was just quoting https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/TheCaseForMultiarch |
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| 17:31.09 | centval | hm i symlink libsqlite3.so to /usr/lib where it should be, and now my build succeeds with that step |
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| 17:31.27 | babilen | You should fix your build system |
| 17:31.53 | centval | i don't believe it's my system that has the problem though ... |
| 17:32.04 | centval | libraries should install to the right path without configuration |
| 17:32.05 | babilen | (the linker should certainly be configured in such a way that it works with multiarch, I am surprised that it is not) |
| 17:32.29 | mumpitzel | centval: and how do you suggest multiarch should be done? fat binaries or what? |
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| 17:33.13 | babilen | centval: Please take a look at /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*, pause, think for a moment and then act accordingly. |
| 17:33.23 | centval | babilen: no foreign architectures |
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| 17:34.07 | centval | babilen: here is what i get w/ apt-cache policy: http://www.bpaste.net/show/48oHrZU1rqBKnJYWgb2o/ |
| 17:34.27 | babilen | centval: Why do you expect to have amd64 (that is 64bit) packages installed if your system if i386? The library is, as it should be, in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so |
| 17:34.57 | centval | distutils doesn't know about the paths set up in i486-linux-gnu.conf |
| 17:35.03 | babilen | (32bit library on a 32bit system) |
| 17:35.04 | centval | specifically /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu |
| 17:35.22 | centval | so it does not scan this path and it doesn't find my shared libraries |
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| 17:38.51 | babilen | Well, I simply answered your question and you know the technical reason behind what you are doing. If you have specific problems with software we ship (or even with your own) then you might want to provide further information. It might also turn out that #python is the channel you want for support, but I'd recommend to make sure that whatever tools you are using are being made aware of multiarch. |
| 17:38.59 | centval | hm .. |
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| 17:40.18 | babilen | We certainly succeed in building various python packages on Debian ;) |
| 17:40.26 | centval | hehe |
| 17:40.47 | centval | let me try w/ LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu |
| 17:41.23 | babilen | centval: I assume that you are still trying to build Python 2.5 ? |
| 17:41.27 | centval | yepper |
| 17:41.41 | centval | i think i'm close to doing it the right way |
| 17:42.02 | centval | ldconfig stuff always takes time to job my memory |
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| 17:42.27 | babilen | centval: I am not sure if that is a good approach (and #python would agree), as the better alternative would be to simply make the few changes needed to get your software running on a supported Python version (2.6 or (even better) 2.7) |
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| 17:42.57 | babilen | centval: Come on, this is Python not PHP ;) |
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| 17:43.32 | centval | babilen: hehe wouldn't that be wonderful, but i just started this job and i am trying to get up and running on the existing platform; i have no latitude on these things. further it is a significant codebase with many non-trivial installations already (on 2.5) in a well-regulated field, where things cannot be done on the fly |
| 17:44.19 | centval | yay! |
| 17:44.26 | centval | got my readline, sqlite3, etc all working |
| 17:44.33 | centval | w/ the correct LDFLAGS |
| 17:44.38 | centval | thanks for pointing me in the right direction babilen |
| 17:45.47 | babilen | centval: You are welcome, please make sure to delete /usr/local/bin/python (as that would shadow the system's default "python") -- I would also recommend to "manage" this installation with stow (that is to install it to /usr/local/stow/python2.5 and use stow for symlinking) |
| 17:45.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell centval -about stow |
| 17:45.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell centval -about stow usage |
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| 17:47.22 | centval | babilen: i don't see how that will be an issue. debian installs everything with hardcoded shebang etc |
| 17:47.38 | centval | babilen: i.e. grep '#!/usr/bin/env' /usr/bin/ shows nothing |
| 17:48.04 | centval | babilen: so there's really no case where my local one would be used by the system, and i believe that is by design |
| 17:48.22 | babilen | centval: I am well aware of that, but you should still ensure that "python" gets the actual system's default Python version. |
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| 17:48.46 | centval | i'm curious, assuming i am the only user on the system and that i am aware of this, what do i have to worry about? |
| 17:48.58 | centval | that is, i know to use system python when appropriate |
| 17:49.17 | babilen | centval: Yes, we had some /usr/bin/env packages in the past, but quite intentionally changed their shebangs. |
| 17:49.24 | centval | :) |
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| 17:50.37 | SmashingX | My grub installation got screwed. I've tried to reinstall it but it gets worse |
| 17:50.46 | babilen | centval: I can't immediately think of anything, but it is a matter of hygiene and making sure that this assumption doesn't cause problems in the future. I don't see the downside of deleting /usr/bin/local/python as *that* ensures that the system behaves as before, while it still allows you to call python2.5 (/usr/local/bin/python2.5) directly for software that needs your local Python. |
| 17:50.56 | SmashingX | I was wondering if I should iuninstall it and reinstall it again |
| 17:51.08 | SmashingX | if I can do that, how can I do it? |
| 17:51.12 | SmashingX | somebody? |
| 17:51.13 | babilen | SmashingX: Please elaborate and provide relevant output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:51.20 | centval | babilen: ye i guess i'll just alias as my regular user, but i think it's unnecessar |
| 17:51.27 | toni_ | Hi! Whether do some roxterm windows keep their title while minimizing, while others switch back to "ROXTerm" (in awesome)? Can I control this? |
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| 17:51.39 | SmashingX | babilen: what do you mean by elaborate? |
| 17:51.56 | babilen | SmashingX: You can regenerate the configuration by running "update-grub2" and then install it to disk by running "grub-install /dev/whatever" (which should be something like "grub-install /dev/sda") |
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| 17:52.12 | centval | babilen: actually nah i'll keep it as is. because i have mappings in vim like :w !python, etc. and i don't want to have to tweak those as well, and bash alias doesn't cover that |
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| 17:52.39 | SmashingX | babilen: I don't have to use a Live CD to do that? |
| 17:52.39 | babilen | SmashingX: "elaborate" essentially means "provide more details; go on" in this context |
| 17:53.06 | SmashingX | babilen: right, but I don't know what other details I should provide. Those are the problems that I'm having right now |
| 17:53.19 | babilen | centval: Would it be a problem if those would call python2.7 ? |
| 17:53.34 | centval | babilen: i suppose i could python() { python2.5 $@ } |
| 17:53.43 | centval | babilen: and then stdin etc works |
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| 17:53.54 | centval | babilen: yea probably |
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| 17:54.27 | SmashingX | babilen: Im writing from the machine that has problems. I could log in by using a grubrescue cd |
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| 17:54.33 | babilen | SmashingX: How exactly was your grub installation/configuration "screwed"? What have you tried to fix it? What exactly do you mean by "gets worse" ? (for example) |
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| 17:55.01 | babilen | SmashingX: Also the output of the commands I mentioned earlier would be interesting (use, say, http://paste.debian.net to provide it) |
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| 17:55.41 | SmashingX | should I input those commands without having to use a live cd? |
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| 17:57.01 | babilen | SmashingX: You have to run those commands in your system. How you access your system is irrelevant |
| 17:57.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell SmashingX -about fixmbr |
| 17:57.49 | SmashingX | babilen: I was asking you that because many tutorials say that I have to do it with a live cd then mount the drive then set a mount point |
| 17:57.51 | SmashingX | tc |
| 17:57.53 | SmashingX | etc |
| 17:57.54 | Zzeiss | SmashingX: ... oh, what babilen said. I had to do that procedure from a rescue CD when trying to get rEFInd to see my actual debian install (this is on a MacBook pro) |
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| 17:58.26 | mcdermmn | im having a interesting nfs problem. when i mount by sudo i get mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Remote system error - No route to host |
| 17:58.31 | mcdermmn | when sudo -i first, then mount it works fine |
| 17:58.33 | babilen | I really wonder why so many people use rEFInd while Debian ships grub-efi which should just work directly |
| 17:58.34 | mcdermmn | anyone know why? |
| 17:59.00 | Zzeiss | babilen: because it doesn't work when you want to dual-boot? |
| 17:59.03 | babilen | SmashingX: The bot sent you some instructions on how to do this from the installer image (or from a live cd), but if you have access to the system you have access to it. |
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| 17:59.10 | babilen | Zzeiss: Why not? |
| 17:59.25 | babilen | Zzeiss: Can't grub-efi boot OSX? |
| 17:59.35 | SmashingX | hold on babilen |
| 17:59.38 | Zzeiss | babilen: Unsure- but it didn't. Nor did the installer for Fedora do it. |
| 17:59.42 | SmashingX | I have some relevant output to show you |
| 17:59.54 | Zzeiss | However, the fixmbr procedure did the trick and now I am happy. :) |
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| 18:00.30 | SmashingX | babilen: check this out |
| 18:00.32 | SmashingX | http://paste.debian.net/46119/ |
| 18:00.35 | babilen | Zzeiss: great (it was an honest question) |
| 18:00.44 | SmashingX | I get this every time I try to install grub |
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| 18:01.01 | SmashingX | I don't know why it says that I have a GPT partition!! |
| 18:01.08 | SmashingX | my partition is ext4 |
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| 18:01.17 | Zzeiss | babilen: Yeah, it may well be an OSX issue rather than an EFI-in-particular issue. |
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| 18:01.33 | Zzeiss | SmashingX: Are you on Apple hardware? |
| 18:01.40 | SmashingX | no |
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| 18:01.45 | SmashingX | PC |
| 18:01.47 | SmashingX | PC |
| 18:01.54 | Mathisen | ever had windows installed ? |
| 18:02.07 | SmashingX | are you asking me? |
| 18:02.08 | Zzeiss | SmashingX: Hmmm.. is it an EFI mobo bios, or a BIOSy bios? :) |
| 18:02.33 | Mathisen | yes SmashingX i had the same problem after i had a win8 install on a hd |
| 18:02.40 | SmashingX | I have never install anything than linux |
| 18:02.43 | babilen | SmashingX: Looks as if you use EFI/GPT without having created the BIOS boot partition and the EFI system partition. You are therefore using a suboptimal partitioning scheme for EFI/GPT. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_Boot_partition and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition -- fwiw, our installer creates those during guided partitioning. |
| 18:02.49 | SmashingX | I just got the SSD disk and then I installed Linux |
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| 18:03.54 | Zzeiss | SmashingX: Yeah, for the first install, (especially on a blank drive) just take the defaults. That's the tested procedure (sad but true) |
| 18:04.03 | babilen | SmashingX: You obviously have been given a disk with a GPT, but failed to create the necessary partitions for EFI/GPT boot. You might have assumed that you are configuring a legacy (?) BIOS/MBR system. |
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| 18:04.18 | SmashingX | I installed with the defaults |
| 18:04.38 | babilen | SmashingX: You used "Guided partitioning" ? |
| 18:04.40 | Zzeiss | SmashingX: (and sad but true for more than just Debian. Also true for Fedora, also true for Slackware... it's just the testers-path-of-least-resistance) |
| 18:04.41 | SmashingX | I installed this Linux about 4 months ago |
| 18:04.46 | SmashingX | and I've never had a problem |
| 18:04.58 | SmashingX | until I rewrite the GRUB |
| 18:05.09 | SmashingX | and I selected to install the GRUB on sda1 and sda |
| 18:05.13 | kyle__ | SmashingX: you mean, bring back lilo, right? |
| 18:05.14 | SmashingX | then I started to have problems |
| 18:05.16 | kyle__ | misses lilo so much. |
| 18:05.17 | Zzeiss | Ahhhh.... OK. Not an install problem. |
| 18:05.41 | kyle__ | Sorry, read that as, "until I rewrite grub". |
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| 18:05.58 | babilen | SmashingX: You typically don't install grub to a partition at all. (that is /dev/sda1) |
| 18:06.01 | SmashingX | reinstalled? |
| 18:06.12 | SmashingX | I know now baile |
| 18:06.14 | SmashingX | babilen |
| 18:06.24 | SmashingX | so how can I fix that? |
| 18:06.38 | kyle__ | SmashingX: yeah. Grub you install once, and can use over and over, even if kernels/modules/ramdisks change. That's the advantage of it. |
| 18:06.40 | Zzeiss | babilen: .... not to a partition UNLESS it's a Mac and you're trying to dual-boot. But true, and it's not pertinent here.... |
| 18:07.06 | SmashingX | babilen: Somebody told me to check a flag on GParted |
| 18:07.15 | ompaul | somebody ... |
| 18:07.21 | SmashingX | I think the flag was called something as grub_bios or something |
| 18:07.38 | SmashingX | and then I tried to install GRUB and it didn't complain |
| 18:07.39 | ompaul | that was GPT |
| 18:07.54 | babilen | You can go ahead with blocklists, but I would investigate your setup. You can use GPT with BIOS boot, but you should have the "normal" partitions in that case (efi system partition and bios boot partition), IIRC you can force grub-install to use blocklists, but that doesn't strike me as a good solution. If I were you I wouldn't have used GPT at all, but simply the normal/legacy MBR. |
| 18:07.55 | SmashingX | but It can't boot anyway |
| 18:08.26 | ompaul | GPT is only required when your disk is more than 3Gigs |
| 18:08.29 | SmashingX | but I didn't use GPT! |
| 18:08.34 | ompaul | sorry 3TB |
| 18:08.35 | ompaul | woops |
| 18:08.40 | SmashingX | I selected ext4 |
| 18:08.47 | ompaul | that;s a different story |
| 18:08.58 | SmashingX | on GParted it doesn't say GPT anywhere |
| 18:09.00 | ompaul | SmashingX: GPT will allow you install ext4 on a disk |
| 18:09.09 | SmashingX | but how GPT got installed? |
| 18:09.12 | SmashingX | I don't understand |
| 18:09.20 | SmashingX | I installed Linux with defaults |
| 18:09.24 | SmashingX | and the disk was new |
| 18:09.33 | ompaul | if you did then 99% of the time it works - what got in the way |
| 18:09.36 | ompaul | windows 8 |
| 18:09.50 | ompaul | EUFI ? |
| 18:10.00 | SmashingX | windows 8? |
| 18:10.05 | SmashingX | The DISK WAS NEW |
| 18:10.10 | ompaul | UEFI |
| 18:10.15 | ompaul | ok how big is it |
| 18:10.26 | SmashingX | about 128GB |
| 18:10.39 | ompaul | so it's an SD drive |
| 18:10.47 | SmashingX | yes |
| 18:10.48 | ompaul | (at a guess) |
| 18:10.50 | SmashingX | SSD |
| 18:11.00 | SmashingX | actually I see it now |
| 18:11.01 | ompaul | thats the guilty one there officer |
| 18:11.02 | SmashingX | is 100GB |
| 18:11.10 | ompaul | still not an issue |
| 18:11.21 | ompaul | did it ever boot after the install? |
| 18:11.35 | SmashingX | after I install linux firsrt time yes |
| 18:11.47 | ompaul | and then what happened? |
| 18:11.51 | SmashingX | like I said my problem began when I installed GRUB in the partition sda1 |
| 18:12.07 | ompaul | why did you do that if you had it installed ok in the first place? |
| 18:12.11 | levlaz_ | Why did you install grub if it already booted . |
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| 18:12.23 | SmashingX | I don't know |
| 18:12.25 | SmashingX | I just did |
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| 18:12.34 | SmashingX | does it matter now? |
| 18:12.38 | ompaul | right so you did something overwrote some $part of the disk |
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| 18:12.52 | ompaul | and don't know exactly what you did, is that a reasonable synopsis |
| 18:13.13 | SmashingX | Should I have the bios_grub flag checked? |
| 18:13.18 | SmashingX | on my hard drive? |
| 18:13.21 | ompaul | SmashingX: answer the question please |
| 18:13.29 | levlaz_ | SmashingX .. that's ok , so since it booted fine the first time you already had grub and you should have done nothing after that. I think you have several options, you can repair grub, I would try that. Check out wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 18:14.06 | babilen | SmashingX: The disk (when you bought it) was most likely initialised (by the vendor) with a GPT. Debian simply recognised that and stuck with it. It looks as if you then didn't use the "guided partitioning" and forgot (well, "forgot") to create the bios boot partition and efi system partition. You can check this by running "gdisk -l /dev/sda" and pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:14.08 | levlaz_ | If you use the live cd or even gparted you should be able to boot into the console and follow the steps listed there. |
| 18:14.09 | SmashingX | what question ompaul |
| 18:14.29 | ompaul | SmashingX: doesn't matter the others got to where I was going faster |
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| 18:14.57 | SmashingX | gdisk, not found |
| 18:14.59 | SmashingX | babilen |
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| 18:15.44 | SmashingX | levlaz: but I already tried to repair GRUB but it doesn't work :( |
| 18:15.46 | Improv | If I want to take a snapshot of debian-testing and use it as a local mirror for a bunch of my boxes that I will very occasionally update, what's the best way to do that? |
| 18:15.48 | babilen | SmashingX: Well, install it! |
| 18:16.01 | levlaz_ | SmashingX: sorry I joined late so I am not sure where you left off.. |
| 18:16.14 | levlaz_ | However, when you say it does not work what does that really mean. |
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| 18:16.52 | SmashingX | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/46122/ |
| 18:16.54 | babilen | SmashingX: One way to get this working is to create the bios boot partition (1 MB) at the beginning of the disk and to set the bios_grub flag on it using parted. |
| 18:16.56 | Improv | I also want to drop maybe 3-4 replacement packages in there. |
| 18:17.05 | SmashingX | levlaz: again? |
| 18:17.44 | babilen | SmashingX: See, you are using GPT but you don't have a BIOS boot partition (as would be required for that setup) |
| 18:17.47 | SmashingX | levlaz_: It just prints like 100000 times the word GRUB |
| 18:18.01 | SmashingX | nothing else |
| 18:18.23 | SmashingX | babilen: so what should I do now then? |
| 18:18.33 | SmashingX | to have a BIOS boot partition |
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| 18:18.50 | levlaz_ | Smashingx: Try babilen solution first, if that does not work let's regroup and try my think |
| 18:18.54 | levlaz_ | thing* |
| 18:19.02 | SmashingX | isn't that the falg I was telling you before babilen? |
| 18:19.11 | SmashingX | flag |
| 18:19.51 | SmashingX | the flag bios_grub |
| 18:20.10 | SmashingX | sounds good levlaz_ |
| 18:20.47 | SmashingX | so how can I do that babilen? |
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| 18:20.58 | babilen | SmashingX: I am simply providing information about the *reasons* why you run into this problem. You still haven't answered my initial question (re guided partitioning), but its okay as I have to leave now anyway. Another option would be to convert the GPT disk to MBR, but that is typically quite tricky. At least you don't have many partitions so no logical ones have to be introduced, but MBR requires certain "gaps" between partitions that might ... |
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| 18:21.05 | babilen | ... not be there. |
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| 18:22.01 | SmashingX | OMG |
| 18:22.04 | babilen | SmashingX: Well, I would therefore go with my initial suggestion to create the BIOS boot partition (with fat32 filesystem) you so dearly need ... resize your first partition and then create the BIOS boot partition |
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| 18:22.08 | SmashingX | this looks so complicated |
| 18:22.32 | SmashingX | ok, the thing is how to do that |
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| 18:23.31 | rryoumaa | suppose you want to install a package (say, from a foreign repo) as non-root (say in your home directory). is this even possible? |
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| 18:24.15 | SmashingX | and then babilen I have to reinstall GRUB |
| 18:24.20 | SmashingX | or I don't have to |
| 18:25.02 | levlaz_ | rryoumaa: which package are you trying to install? |
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| 18:25.27 | rryoumaa | levlaz_: i was thinking of doing that for emacs 24, for example |
| 18:25.35 | rryoumaa | from naquadah |
| 18:25.40 | levlaz_ | rryoumaa: Are you on stable? |
| 18:25.44 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 18:25.57 | levlaz_ | rryoumaa: I would check to see if it has been backported ... |
| 18:26.01 | rryoumaa | not yet |
| 18:26.06 | levlaz_ | nice. |
| 18:26.23 | rryoumaa | that's why i am considering these other ways of getting emacs 24 |
| 18:26.29 | somiaj | rryoumaa: the issue is if the precompiled binaries can run on your system. That is what the depends are for, the requirement to run the binaries. |
| 18:26.37 | levlaz_ | I think you may have problems with dependencies |
| 18:26.44 | levlaz_ | Its solvable.. but complicated |
| 18:26.47 | somiaj | rryoumaa: why not compile your own backport. |
| 18:27.04 | levlaz_ | I would agree with somiaj |
| 18:27.06 | rryoumaa | somiaj: don't know how, so i thought i'd ask about alternatives |
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| 18:28.00 | somiaj | rryoumaa: if it is an easy package, you can just follow the instructions in /msg ssb |
| 18:28.04 | somiaj | rryoumaa: arg, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:29.27 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 18:30.20 | Improv | If I want to build a mirror/snapshot of debian-testing with a few changed packages, what's the best way to do that? |
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| 18:32.18 | levlaz__ | rryoumaa: check out thislink it is very helpful http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976&hilit=package |
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| 18:36.16 | jhutchins | Are there ways of disabling ipv6 on a per-application basis? |
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| 18:37.24 | Improv | jhutchins: Linux containers can do that. |
| 18:37.41 | Improv | jhutchins: It's a fair amount of work to get it set up though. |
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| 18:38.33 | Peny | I have a server box, running lamp and a website, if I also ran a script or something there, can it access the website as well ? |
| 18:38.57 | jhutchins | Peny: Sure. |
| 18:39.02 | Peny | at the moment the script accesses the website from another computer |
| 18:39.14 | Peny | cool, |
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| 18:39.36 | Peny | like if i had a browser, do i just put in the box's own address ? |
| 18:39.48 | Peny | the same computer as it is on ? |
| 18:40.09 | levlaz__ | Peny try it out :) |
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| 18:40.35 | levlaz__ | You can install Lynx which is a text browser .. that way you can keep the sever gui-free |
| 18:40.36 | Peny | i can't do the browser :) there is no GUI on the server box, |
| 18:40.47 | Peny | oh |
| 18:40.58 | Peny | i never knew of that |
| 18:41.06 | levlaz__ | Yeah , its pretty neat! |
| 18:41.11 | levlaz__ | check it out .. apt-get install lynx |
| 18:41.32 | levlaz__ | You can browse the whole web with it, although its not as pretty it gets the job done. |
| 18:41.50 | Peny | i can do the script instead, it's easy, and what i was after, but i shall keep lynx in mind for later |
| 18:41.57 | Peny | that has got to be handy |
| 18:41.58 | Improv | links is a slightly nicer cousin to lynx |
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| 18:42.11 | Improv | Also, you may want to use curl or wget if you just need to retrieve a doc from the web |
| 18:42.17 | levlaz__ | improv: cool, I didn't know that, thanks for the info :) |
| 18:42.23 | Improv | Provided you don't need to render it, anyhow |
| 18:42.53 | Peny | i've done the wget/curl kind of thing before |
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| 18:43.17 | Peny | is there a step up from nano? i think my nano doesn't like the mouse anymore |
| 18:43.29 | levlaz__ | ]nano.. the text editor? |
| 18:43.48 | Peny | yes, nano the command line text editor |
| 18:44.06 | levlaz__ | I dont think you can use it with a mouse |
| 18:44.07 | Improv | emacs and vim are popular and have console and GUI versions, but they have steepish learning curves. |
| 18:44.11 | Peny | it's for editing settings and cnf files, or that's what i use it for |
| 18:44.42 | levlaz__ | Yeah I use nano -- I am confused on the question lol.. |
| 18:44.49 | Peny | is there one that can launch almost a gui over the ssh, or do i need to goto something fancier to do that |
| 18:44.50 | levlaz__ | Omg.. |
| 18:45.01 | levlaz__ | "Step Up" .. I read "set up" |
| 18:45.16 | levlaz__ | ignore my comments. |
| 18:45.22 | Peny | is ok |
| 18:45.47 | Improv | Peny: Depending on how things are set up, you can sometimes have a proper GUI piped to you over the ssh connection. Tends to be slow over the internet though. |
| 18:46.25 | Peny | will i need to have a gui on the box to have gui over ssh? |
| 18:46.40 | Improv | The box will need some GUI libraries. |
| 18:46.46 | Improv | e.g. libgtk |
| 18:46.51 | Peny | ah |
| 18:47.03 | nosuid | is it possible to soft-reboot a debian system except initramfs? |
| 18:47.15 | Improv | nosuid: What does that mean? |
| 18:47.22 | nosuid | yeah, not sure how to phrase it |
| 18:47.33 | phogg | nosuid: you mean like, switch to runlevel 1 and back to 2? |
| 18:47.37 | Peny | i think they want to shut down one program or library |
| 18:47.48 | nosuid | well, a reboot having to reunlock drives really :) |
| 18:48.03 | Improv | nosuid: You mean unmount /, switch back into initramfs, and then restart the boot process? |
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| 18:48.09 | nosuid | yeah |
| 18:48.10 | Peny | ah, you have a locked drive |
| 18:48.13 | Improv | Without the kernel reinitialising the hardware? |
| 18:48.28 | Improv | nosuid: I don't think any linux distros provide a means to do that. |
| 18:48.41 | phogg | nosuid: it's possible, but you'd have to know all the steps yourself |
| 18:48.43 | Peny | you want to 'unplug' a piece of hardware, rather than kil a process |
| 18:48.45 | Improv | nosuid: It's theoretically doable, but you'd need to do the plumbing yourself. |
| 18:49.21 | Improv | nosuid: Not sure why you'd want to do it, but it's kind of a fun question. |
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| 18:49.29 | Peny | I'm not good at that, if you need to disable a single piece of hardware, don't ask me, I'll be saying use a sprayer rather than a full bucket of water :D |
| 18:49.55 | Improv | nosuid: Also, check out kexec as well as some of the creepy stuff Oracle's been working on with live-patching. |
| 18:50.02 | Peny | you know, for pinpoint accuracy |
| 18:50.34 | Peny | actually, check out if your aim is good first, use some people in your house, pets, the tv or something for practice |
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| 18:51.40 | Peny | i think safe mode won't initialise all the hardware, is there something like that |
| 18:52.18 | Improv | Peny: Not on Linux, not really. |
| 18:52.34 | Peny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.38 | Improv | Closest is to boot into single-user mode. |
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| 18:58.17 | local | hey all. Within vim, when I highlight/select a parenthesis as example, and press %, the cursor jumps to the opponent parenthesis of this block (it jumps to the beginning and the end of that clause). Is there a hotkey available for vim, which is doint the same if I am the word "if" so it jumps and shows me the corresponding "fi" ? The same would be nice for "while" and "done". How can I do that ? |
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| 19:14.06 | HisaoNakai | Hey folks. I keep getting this message when executing stuff. I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and tried setting it system-wide to EN US UTF8, but it gives the same error again and apparently does not set it as such. http://paste.lighttpd.net/Dh#wsPXbtX3P0FuO38ufeLAO0fP |
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| 19:14.09 | HisaoNakai | Please help. |
| 19:14.23 | HisaoNakai | (it's a just-installed Debian 7 system) |
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| 19:15.09 | HisaoNakai | local: Try #vim ? |
| 19:15.24 | mumpitzel | HisaoNakai: set LC_ALL |
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| 19:16.03 | mumpitzel | and make sure bot en-US and en-IN are available and working |
| 19:16.24 | CentauR | is upgrading from 6.x.x to wheezy likely to cause problems? |
| 19:17.49 | C00re | speaking of locale.. can someone explain this config from a fresh install of debian? http://pastebin.com/rq6j17Fv |
| 19:17.57 | mumpitzel | !tell CentauR about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:18.14 | mumpitzel | HisaoNakai: what is the output ot "grep -v ^# /etc/locale.gen" ? |
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| 19:19.26 | HisaoNakai | Hey, there, mumpitzel :) It appears to be fixed. Why on earth did it want en-IN to be installed when I wanted to set en-US? O.o |
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| 19:20.15 | HisaoNakai | the output of that is en_IN UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 19:20.57 | CentauR | @mumpitzel i have heard people had troubles upgrading in a non-clean install... if something goes wrong then what? |
| 19:21.02 | mumpitzel | somewhere you set it to be en_IN, maybe you chose a indian locale on install |
| 19:21.36 | mumpitzel | CentauR: depends what goes wrong. do you have packages installed which didn't come from a debian.org repo? |
| 19:21.48 | mumpitzel | CentauR: if so, which ones? |
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| 19:23.23 | CentauR | @mumpitzel how i can list all packages that came from other repositories? |
| 19:23.26 | HisaoNakai | Is there a way to know what package a particular file is provided by? |
| 19:23.50 | TheWarden | okay, I'm still trying to figure out how to remove a key from an object. I've been told to use the delete operator but at the same time I've read that doesn't actually remove the key but changes it to null/undefined therefore leave the total obj.length not reduced by the one removed. |
| 19:23.53 | mumpitzel | HisaoNakai: dpkg -S <full file path> |
| 19:24.00 | TheWarden | Here is what I'm doing and an example of what is contained within my object. |
| 19:24.02 | TheWarden | https://gist.github.com/thewarden/6701714 |
| 19:24.18 | mumpitzel | CentauR: not possible. |
| 19:24.48 | TheWarden | I've tried doing the delete operator and it still shows the same length after using delete. The key that I try to remove changes to just null, .... |
| 19:24.51 | mumpitzel | TheWarden: E_CHAN |
| 19:25.01 | TheWarden | OH crap sorry. |
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| 19:27.15 | HisaoNakai | Thanks again mumpitzel ^^ |
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| 19:28.09 | codygman | I have a list of "removes" that I want to mark as updates in aptitude,how can I do that? |
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| 19:29.22 | mumpitzel | codygman: why would it be removed when you want to upgrade? |
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| 19:30.57 | codygman | mumpitzel: I'm trying to install the newest nvidia drivers from testing.. however that requires upgrading libc... is there anyway for me to not install libc and download a newer one then force my graphics card to use it? |
| 19:31.10 | codygman | I did that with steam (forced it to use ubuntus libc2.15 |
| 19:31.12 | codygman | ) |
| 19:31.54 | mumpitzel | codygman: installing libc from testing into debian stable is not a good idea. it will kill your debian installation sooner or later |
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| 19:32.03 | mumpitzel | !tell codygman about ssb |
| 19:32.11 | mumpitzel | you need to backport the nvidia drivers yourself |
| 19:32.29 | codygman | mumpitzel: oh... alright how would I go about doing that? |
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| 19:32.32 | mumpitzel | codygman: we do not support frankendebians |
| 19:32.39 | mumpitzel | dpkg already told you |
| 19:32.39 | dpkg | mumpitzel: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:32.44 | mumpitzel | dpkg: shuddup |
| 19:32.45 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 19:39.55 | handuel | How do I get japanese characters to display properly? At the moment they are just rectangles? |
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| 19:41.34 | codygman | mumpitzel how do I find the packagename (after adding sid/apt-get update) with aptitude? It is only showing my version I think |
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| 19:43.41 | Levure | Hello ! |
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| 19:44.05 | Levure | I have a (maybe stupid?) question about the php5 package in wheezy. |
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| 19:45.29 | Levure | php5 (5.4.4-14+deb7u4) means it is a 5.4.4 version of PHP, but what does means the "-14" string in the end ? |
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| 19:46.00 | Cyis | Levure: 14th Debian build |
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| 19:46.22 | Levure | Thanks ! I will be less stupid tonight ! :-) |
| 19:46.43 | eb0t | right thats all the ssh and scp stuff sorted.....but what do i need to be able to run X via ssh |
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| 19:47.07 | eb0t | on the remote machine |
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| 19:53.03 | jhutchins | eb0t: Do you want to run a full X session with login management, or do you just want to run X applications? |
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| 19:53.55 | eb0t | jhutchins i want to be able to do absolutely everyhting remotely on 2 or 3 different pcs over encrypted line |
| 19:54.19 | eb0t | i think that means full xsessions |
| 19:54.59 | codygman | Before trying the proprietary driver should I uninstall nvidia-glx from the official debian repos? |
| 19:55.12 | codygman | before trying the driver directly from nvidia that is |
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| 19:59.03 | mumpitzel | codygman: we do not support downloads from nvidia.com. again: it will create trouble when you update your debian |
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| 19:59.27 | mumpitzel | codygman: and what packagename do you want to find? |
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| 20:00.16 | codygman | mumpitzel: couldn't I just uninstall it, reinstall debia nvidia at the time, and then upgrade? |
| 20:01.06 | codygman | mumpitzel: Anyway, trying to figure out the backporting method you showed me and it says to install the dependencies of what I want to build. That is the newer nvidia driver, but aptitude source nvidia-glx will install my current drivers source right? Or will the sid src line take precedence? |
| 20:01.21 | codygman | or should it be aptitude -t sid source nvidia-glx? |
| 20:01.33 | mumpitzel | codygman: you need to install SOURCE packages, not binaries |
| 20:01.38 | mumpitzel | apt-get source <package> |
| 20:01.57 | mumpitzel | yes. your aptitude line is correct |
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| 20:03.57 | codygman | mumpitzel: It is downloading 304.108-1+deb7u1.. so that is the update from 304.88-1+deb? |
| 20:04.45 | codygman | how would I get the one from sid, is that possible? Also it seems that nvidia-glx is transitional and it changes to nvidia-driver... am I correct in this assumption? |
| 20:05.05 | codygman | -t sid gave me an error: |
| 20:05.48 | codygman | well I should say sudo apt-get -t sid source nvidia-glx gave me: |
| 20:06.01 | codygman | value 'sid' is invlaid for APT::Default-release |
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| 20:09.04 | Mathisen | aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 20:10.59 | mumpitzel | codygman: why do you need to install the nvidia drivers from sid? |
| 20:11.29 | codygman | mumpitzel: I'm having problems with the current driver playing tf2 and was told I ineed updated nvidia drivers. |
| 20:12.14 | mumpitzel | codygman: what is in your sources.list? |
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| 20:13.04 | codygman | mumpitzel: https://dpaste.de/wVIFz/ |
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| 20:13.21 | mumpitzel | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 20:13.22 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-4; experimental/non-free: 325.15-3 |
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| 20:13.33 | Etarapido | hi |
| 20:13.39 | mumpitzel | are you sure 304.108 is much improved compared to 304.88? |
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| 20:14.23 | Etarapido | why the netinstall on USB key asks for a CD and cannot continue if I haven't one ? ? |
| 20:14.24 | codygman | mumpitzel: No I'm not sure. I was told I could get 310 :/ However I'm okay with doing whatever is necessary to try it. It seems useful to know how to backport. |
| 20:14.37 | mumpitzel | codygman: apt-get source -t unstable nvidia-glx shows an error? if so which one? |
| 20:14.52 | mumpitzel | 304.108 is not 310... |
| 20:14.59 | halt | hi guys, i try to find an init script for debain svnserv, becasue it's not part of the package but can't find any good one, maybe is there anyone here how have one working version ? |
| 20:15.28 | codygman | mumpitzel: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 20:15.38 | mumpitzel | then try "sid" :( |
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| 20:16.23 | codygman | same error, replacing unstable with sid |
| 20:16.38 | mumpitzel | you did apt-get update, right? |
| 20:16.45 | codygman | mumpitzel: Yes, doing it again |
| 20:17.32 | mumpitzel | codygman: why is your deb-src line for sid pointing to debian.net? |
| 20:18.00 | codygman | mumpitzel: that is the example that dpkg gave me when I asked: <deb-src sid> |
| 20:18.02 | mumpitzel | I suggest deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:18.59 | abrotman | don't use ftp .. jeez |
| 20:19.13 | abrotman | and probably not ftp.us.debian.org either |
| 20:19.22 | mumpitzel | any special reason why not ftp? |
| 20:20.26 | codygman | mumpitzel: either way still get: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 20:22.59 | jhutchins | codygman: Is there some part of that message you don't understand? |
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| 20:24.33 | codygman | jhutchins: Yes, I don't understand nor can I find out how to add unstable as a valid release in the sources. |
| 20:24.59 | jhutchins | codygman: Well, it's not a valid release, it's just a handful of packages. |
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| 20:25.10 | jhutchins | codygman: Still, they should be accessible... |
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| 20:26.07 | magyar | hi, how can i get usb devices to be mounted as my user account on wheezy, or at least allow writing to the usb device? |
| 20:26.36 | magyar | currently only root can write |
| 20:27.20 | jhutchins | codygman: Not at my best today, unstable==sid, sorry. I was thinking experimental. |
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| 20:27.32 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 20:27.32 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:27.36 | codygman | jhutchins: Yes, they shoudl be available. This is a new install of vanilla wheezy btw (minus custom deb for emacs24 and backports enabled) |
| 20:27.44 | jhutchins | !deb-src sid |
| 20:27.45 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
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| 20:28.44 | jhutchins | I can see why having "experimental" as your only entry would fail, but unstable or sid should work. |
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| 20:29.07 | jhutchins | codygman: DO you have an apt preferences file? |
| 20:29.33 | irinix | anyone got the pgp key for the mint repos so I can add REAL firefox to debian |
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| 20:30.02 | jhutchins | irinix: Why not just take a hammer to it? |
| 20:30.06 | somiaj | irinix: we don't support other distros and using their repos could mess your install up, so don't. What is wrong with iceweasel and mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 20:30.25 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 20:30.26 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 20:30.32 | jhutchins | irinix: It's the same code. |
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| 20:31.15 | codygman | jhutchins: this is my apt folder: http://sprunge.us/IgbQ |
| 20:31.24 | somiaj | but if you really want firefox, don't install it on your system via a strange package, download the static linked binary and put it in your $HOME directory. It will run on debian just fine. |
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| 20:31.58 | irinix | I don't like the name 'iceweasel' mostly |
| 20:32.19 | somiaj | despite for the graphics you can type 'firefox' into your terminal and it will run |
| 20:32.43 | irinix | brb a sec |
| 20:33.11 | mtn | not liking the name is a good reason :P |
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| 20:34.14 | jhutchins | codygman: You might try moving those steam lists - they could be causing the problem. |
| 20:34.35 | somiaj | trying to get steam working on wheezy codygman ? |
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| 20:37.46 | codygman | somiaj, jhutchins: I have it working except for this: http://i.imgur.com/4wxJKVn.png |
| 20:37.54 | codygman | I think nwo it might be a st3c error |
| 20:38.35 | codygman | and not because of the nvidia driver specifically |
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| 20:38.45 | codygman | jhutchins: Alright, will do. |
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| 20:38.50 | Kuba | hey |
| 20:39.00 | codygman | jhutchins, mumpitzel: thanks |
| 20:39.16 | codygman | of course I still do need to know why i can't install sources from sid. |
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| 20:39.33 | Kuba | when I `ifconfig tap0 1.1.1.1` kernel inserts route "1.0.0.0/8 dev tap0 proto kernel scope link src 1.1.1.1"; is there a way to set a metric on that one? |
| 20:39.49 | Kuba | or is there a way to disable kernel inserting that route? |
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| 20:40.17 | Kuba | I basically have two interfaces with the same IP |
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| 20:40.23 | Kuba | and netmask |
| 20:40.35 | Kuba | and one of them is always present |
| 20:40.41 | Benkinooby | hi, when defining crontab schedules, is it allowed to mix 1-6 and komma separated lists? e.g. i want to do something every day of the week, except for one day, so i write : 1-5,7 |
| 20:40.44 | Benkinooby | is that valid? |
| 20:40.45 | Kuba | whereas other should be preferred if available |
| 20:41.08 | somiaj | codygman: because of core libariers and their dependencies. If you start pulling in core libaries from sid on a stable system (These are the libaries that most packages depend on) then you could have any unknown number of bugs, which range from a slight annoying to nucular meltdown. |
| 20:41.21 | somiaj | codygman: and it makes everything you do on your system from that point on difficult |
| 20:41.58 | Kuba | or is there a way to set metric on tap device in general? |
| 20:42.40 | codygman | somiaj: I was trying to follow backporting instructions, not install directly |
| 20:43.52 | mumpitzel | somiaj: he already installed a new libc for steam. it's already game over |
| 20:44.10 | somiaj | codygman: due to the non-free nature you still have to deal with the non-free binaries steam gives ya. If they don't work with wheezy libs then there really isn't much you can do. |
| 20:44.15 | somiaj | mumpitzel: ahh I missed that. |
| 20:44.50 | Benkinooby | my question is solved: it is possible, see man 5 crontab :) |
| 20:45.01 | somiaj | codygman: right now if you want steam in debian, you should just run jessie or sid and be ready to fix anything that breaks. Unless valuve decides to make steam compadable with wheezy it will only be a cludgy mess. |
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| 20:45.21 | codygman | somiaj: But I have steam working wheezy :D |
| 20:45.41 | codygman | it's tf2/source giving me problems... I think you are right about jessie though. |
| 20:46.13 | SuperNull | w t f ? http://i.imgur.com/Ru2clk4.gif .. just had this happen .. |
| 20:46.48 | socomm | Anyone know if /etc/hosts.allow supports CIDR notation |
| 20:47.08 | somiaj | codygman: well give valve a message and have them compile steam and the resulting linux binarie to work on wheezy (: |
| 20:47.43 | SuperNull | socomm .. doesnt look like it ? |
| 20:47.56 | SuperNull | i am looking at stuff from 2009 tho LOL |
| 20:48.14 | socomm | SuperNull: yeah, I couldn't find mention of CIDR on the man |
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| 20:49.34 | somiaj | codygman: https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy --- have you tried that? |
| 20:49.52 | codygman | somiaj: That is what I used and it worked beautifully. Steam works fine for me. Tf2 does not :D |
| 20:49.54 | Etarapido | Sorry but it is sad, that I block on a simple netinst from USB. Is there a simple way to install debian from USB without CD ? |
| 20:50.18 | codygman | somiaj: also that doesn't interfere with your libc... but it does put ubuntus locally |
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| 20:50.32 | pirret | Etarapido: use unetbootin |
| 20:50.50 | mumpitzel | pirret: do not suggest unetbootin |
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| 20:50.55 | somiaj | codygman: I don't know what to say, I just think running steam on wheezy is gonna be a pain due to its non-free nature and the programers making it for ubuntu |
| 20:50.56 | pirret | yes i do |
| 20:51.00 | pirret | easiest way |
| 20:51.02 | mumpitzel | Etarapido: ignore pirret. yes there is an easy way |
| 20:51.07 | pirret | no |
| 20:51.10 | mumpitzel | !unetbootin |
| 20:51.10 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 20:51.10 | pirret | do what i say |
| 20:51.16 | mumpitzel | pirret: please stop |
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| 20:51.37 | pirret | it does work 100% np |
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| 20:51.45 | mumpitzel | Etarapido: under what operating system are you creating the debian installer? |
| 20:52.00 | codygman | unetbootin randomly causes errors for me on some debian installs |
| 20:52.01 | mumpitzel | pirret: it does not. tons of problems from people who ask here who used it for debian |
| 20:52.23 | pirret | so debian sucks, change to other distro then |
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| 20:53.36 | socomm | You do realize Valve is realizing their own OS in the near future - you'd be better off dualbooting than wrestling to get steam to work on Debian. |
| 20:53.50 | codygman | socomm: I don't like dualbooting :D |
| 20:53.53 | socomm | s/realizing/realising/ |
| 20:54.26 | socomm | s/realising/releasing/ |
| 20:54.35 | socomm | ill get it eventually |
| 20:54.51 | Etarapido | yes I used unetbootin.exe, and debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso. (A few years ago it did the same thing. I did burn a CD, it's a solution of course,but how to install buy the net with USB debian without CD ... ?) |
| 20:55.05 | Etarapido | by* |
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| 20:55.41 | mumpitzel | Etarapido: use win32diskimager |
| 20:55.55 | codygman | I use dd if=ISO FILE of=/dev/sdc (where sdc is your usb device) |
| 20:55.56 | mumpitzel | the data on the usb stick is then gone, so back it up before you put the debian iso on it |
| 20:56.05 | mumpitzel | codygman: that doesn't work on Etarapido's XP |
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| 20:57.07 | Etarapido | well i prefer use unetbootin or even dd. The problem may be be with ISO, |
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| 20:57.35 | Etarapido | *may not be with a problem in the burning of the ISO |
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| 21:09.50 | deego | vrms reports several nonfree fonts on my machine, such as ttf-xfree86-nonfree. Usually, I'd be paranoid about non-free packages, being closed source, containing backdoors, and finally, not covered by DSA. But, such packages as above are "just fonts", right? |
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| 21:10.47 | deego | I also see intel-microcode, amd64-microcode, iucode-tool, firmware-linux-.* |
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| 21:11.33 | deego | Similarly, is msttcorefonts - being just fonts - safe to install, from a paranoid security perspective ? |
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| 21:12.19 | jelly-home | msttcorefonts is a downloader and installer, not fonts |
| 21:12.36 | deego | ah |
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| 21:13.25 | jelly-home | as for paranoia, a maliciously tuned font might trigger explotable bugs in the freetype library (and any app that uses such a font) |
| 21:14.46 | deego | ah |
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| 21:17.54 | socomm | deego: those are microsoft fonts which were made available for free by MS awhile |
| 21:17.59 | italian-cruncher | is Crunchbang safe to install, from deego 's same paranoid security perspective? (since there are way less eyes on code and such things) |
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| 21:18.59 | socomm | italian-cruncher: from my understanding crunchbang is just Debian with tweaks to openbox |
| 21:19.22 | well_laid_lawn | it's just debian with a preconfigured X environment |
| 21:19.24 | socomm | there is bastille linux, if you are really paranoid |
| 21:19.42 | italian-cruncher | socomm, yeah, wondering how easy it would be to slip malware by 'just tweaking X' |
| 21:19.58 | pederindi | How to run usb with Debian in Windows 8. I can't boot |
| 21:20.12 | italian-cruncher | socomm, bastille is discontinued |
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| 21:20.14 | gnarface | pederindi: you have to boot |
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| 21:20.51 | pederindi | gnarface: I configured to do so in the bios, but it can't... |
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| 21:21.17 | gnarface | pederindi: have you tried booting any other machines with the same USB ? |
| 21:21.24 | fr33domlover | Hello. I installed Debian 7 and realized it doesn't use linux-libre by default (my mistake). (How) can I switch to linux libre now? |
| 21:21.28 | mumpitzel | pederindi: acer laptop? |
| 21:21.54 | socomm | italian-cruncher: im out of touch, looks like you're right |
| 21:21.58 | pederindi | gnarface: mumpitzel: hp pavilion 4400ss I think the usb I tried is broken (is really new) |
| 21:22.02 | mumpitzel | fr33domlover: debian has been libre (no non-free blobs in the kernel) for 2 or 3 versions now |
| 21:22.10 | socomm | fr33domlover: linux libre? |
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| 21:22.45 | mumpitzel | socomm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre |
| 21:22.49 | fr33domlover | then great, Wikipedia says Debian doesn't use it by default |
| 21:23.03 | socomm | mumpitzel: lol, I like their mascot |
| 21:23.11 | italian-cruncher | socomm, btw I am not wondering about how to secure an install, but I am wondering how much trust can actually be given to Debian-derived distros since 'just some tweaks' can mean everything :) |
| 21:23.19 | gnarface | pederindi: the USB may be broken but its also fairly common user errors to simply image it wrong, or fail to actually configure the bios to boot from USB properly |
| 21:23.35 | socomm | italian-cruncher: when in doubt, don't |
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| 21:24.19 | fr33domlover | mumpitzel: so Debian 7 uses linux libre only? According to Wikipedia it doesn't, and the linux package isn't called linux-libre |
| 21:24.32 | pederindi | gnarface: with this USB I installed some Debian, but this is my first attempt in a machine with uefi boot |
| 21:24.34 | mumpitzel | pederindi: since it's a windows 8 machine, probably a secure boot problem |
| 21:24.42 | jhutchins | fr33domlover: What exactly are you looking for? |
| 21:25.08 | mumpitzel | fr33domlover: debian itself is libre. it never used linux-libre nonsense. It has however removed non-free firmware from the kernel since squeeze at least |
| 21:25.13 | gnarface | fr33domlover: debian *invented* the concept over a decade ago. linux-libre is to help people on other, less-free distros |
| 21:25.17 | italian-cruncher | socomm, did you ever doubt of some debian-derived distros or its just useless paranoia? |
| 21:25.57 | fr33domlover | gnarface: does debian removes everything linux-libre removes? |
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| 21:26.26 | mumpitzel | fr33domlover: how would we know (or care) what linux-libre removes? |
| 21:26.32 | gnarface | fr33domlover: i honestly don't know but i'd assume yes, and more. debian separates all the non-free content into entirely separate repos/packages that are not required |
| 21:26.37 | gnarface | dpkg: tell fr33domlover about nonf-ree |
| 21:26.40 | gnarface | dpkg: tell fr33domlover about non-free |
| 21:26.51 | Benkinooby | cab anyone tell me where the problem with that crontable is? it's jsut three lines, but non of the rules grips http://pastebin.com/YNsRyS1r |
| 21:27.30 | fr33domlover | gnarface: thanks |
| 21:27.35 | mumpitzel | fr33domlover: you can install whatever kernel you want but please don't ask us for support for it. Ask whoever gives you that kernel |
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| 21:27.57 | socomm | italian-cruncher: tehre are some distros that make me raise an eyebrow - backtrack/kali/Anonymous OS/Redflag Linux/Pardus - but I usually stay away from those |
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| 21:28.45 | socomm | italian-cruncher: crunchbang seems to have a following, but its generally the crowd whos just getting into linux and going through the whole "cool WM" phase |
| 21:29.03 | gnarface | thought kali was a vpn tunnel for IPX networked DOS games |
| 21:29.15 | Mathisen | God Night! everyone |
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| 21:29.29 | deego | god night Mathisen |
| 21:30.08 | mumpitzel | gnarface: and Linux is a washing powder. so? |
| 21:30.25 | gnarface | mumpitzel: that is news to me |
| 21:30.58 | mumpitzel | gnarface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LinuxVollwaschmittelPackung.jpg |
| 21:31.14 | gnarface | mumpitzel: pretty sure that doesn't count; i just checked and they also make fabric softener called Micro&Soft |
| 21:31.29 | gnarface | mumpitzel: the kali i'm talking about predated the linux distro, not the other way around |
| 21:31.38 | MaTachi | Why does Debian testing only come with Gnome 3.4? |
| 21:31.42 | socomm | mumpitzel: is the soap formula open source? |
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| 21:31.54 | mumpitzel | socomm: no :) |
| 21:32.11 | italian-cruncher | socomm, the soap formula has some holes in it |
| 21:32.30 | socomm | italian-cruncher: it will leave your under wear with security holes in them |
| 21:32.32 | rryoumaa | http://www.roesch-swiss.ch/?id=1159&prod_id=78 |
| 21:32.33 | socomm | lol j/k |
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| 21:32.54 | italian-cruncher | socomm thinks I am paranoid, got it :) |
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| 21:34.07 | italian-cruncher | how often does on average an apt-get upgrade require a reboot on wheezy, assuming standard repos and package list? |
| 21:34.32 | mumpitzel | italian-cruncher: only when you get a new kernel. |
| 21:34.33 | mumpitzel | !reboot |
| 21:34.33 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 21:34.45 | italian-cruncher | mumixam, yeah I was wondering how often on average |
| 21:34.47 | SmashingX | babilen: ! |
| 21:34.55 | SmashingX | babilen: it worked!! |
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| 21:34.56 | mumpitzel | italian-cruncher: once a year maybe? |
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| 21:35.31 | italian-cruncher | mumpitzel, so debian stable basically needs 2-3 reboots until it goes oldstable? :) |
| 21:35.41 | SmashingX | I still don't understand how my computer was loading grub before if the disk was a GPT partition? |
| 21:36.03 | SmashingX | and then why just because I update the GRUB everything got screwed |
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| 21:36.43 | mumpitzel | italian-cruncher: it only needs a reboot when there is a kernel update, usually due to a security hole in it. doesn't happen often enough to derive a law |
| 21:36.46 | SmashingX | apparently linux doesn't like GPT |
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| 21:37.08 | RagingSoHard | I run Debian on GPT |
| 21:37.13 | italian-cruncher | SmashingX, apparently GPT is best suited for all your hard drives except the boot one |
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| 21:37.37 | mumpitzel | 3TB hdds = GPT. UEFI = GPT |
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| 21:37.54 | SmashingX | UEFI is the same as GPT? |
| 21:38.03 | SmashingX | and then linux uses MBR? |
| 21:38.30 | mumpitzel | no. UEFI is a replacement for BIOS |
| 21:38.48 | mumpitzel | if you use UEFI, you use GPT |
| 21:39.04 | SmashingX | ok |
| 21:39.10 | SmashingX | I think I got it not sure |
| 21:39.41 | SmashingX | so basically if I'm not using UEFI I should use MBR |
| 21:39.42 | mumpitzel | you now the software you see when you press "del" on bootup? where you set the clock, where you overclock, etc? that's BIOS in older PCs, UEFI in newer |
| 21:39.45 | SmashingX | or is thera nother one? |
| 21:39.56 | SmashingX | I know BIOS of course |
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| 21:40.02 | mumpitzel | if you use a harddisk which is bigger than 2.2TB, then you must use GPT also |
| 21:40.07 | SmashingX | but I'm not sure about UEFI |
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| 21:40.19 | mumpitzel | what mainboard do you have? |
| 21:40.27 | SmashingX | UEFI is like a newer version of BIOS but is installed on the hd? |
| 21:40.55 | SmashingX | no idea man |
| 21:41.06 | mumpitzel | no. it's not installed on the hdd. it's a replacement for BIOS |
| 21:41.16 | SmashingX | but I'm sure this PC is older than the ones you are talking about |
| 21:41.43 | SmashingX | so, the computers that have UEFI can have the option to use either BIOS or UEFI? |
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| 21:41.51 | jhutchins | !uefi |
| 21:41.52 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 21:42.11 | mumpitzel | SmashingX: if you have UEFI, you use UEFI, period |
| 21:42.22 | mumpitzel | SmashingX: it's firmware inside a flash chip on the mainboard |
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| 21:42.24 | SmashingX | I don't have it |
| 21:42.32 | SmashingX | but I was wondering how it works |
| 21:42.36 | jhutchins | Actualy, there are multi-mode systems that can do BIOS or EFI. |
| 21:42.43 | mumpitzel | generally, BIOS cannot boot from GPT |
| 21:42.45 | SmashingX | but then you can disable UEFI right? |
| 21:42.49 | SmashingX | if you want to |
| 21:43.03 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Depends on the hardware. |
| 21:43.11 | jhutchins | SmashingX: uefi covers a LOT more than PCs. |
| 21:43.13 | SmashingX | BIOS can't boot from GPT or viceversa? |
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| 21:43.34 | mumpitzel | jhutchins: there are some gigabyte boards where older firmware versions were BIOS and which were changed to UEFI. there is no multi-mode. you can use CSM which is a compatibility module, part of UEFI. btu that is not BIOS |
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| 21:43.42 | SmashingX | because I have a GPT disk |
| 21:43.45 | SmashingX | and I didn't know |
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| 21:43.56 | SmashingX | until we figure it out with babilen |
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| 21:44.13 | mumpitzel | BIOS cannot boot from GPT normally. except for some intel series 6 mainboards from gigabyte for sandy bridge CPUs |
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| 21:44.30 | SmashingX | ok hold on, but GPT is the kind of hard drive |
| 21:44.38 | mumpitzel | no. |
| 21:44.42 | SmashingX | what? |
| 21:44.45 | rryoumaa | is there a way to find out without rebooting whether you are using bios or uefi, or gpt or non-gpt? |
| 21:44.49 | mumpitzel | it's a partition table format |
| 21:44.54 | SmashingX | of course |
| 21:44.59 | SmashingX | but I mean is in the hard drive |
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| 21:45.03 | jhutchins | SmashingX: If you're actually interested in this, this isn't really the place to learn. You should go read some of the MANY web pages that cover these issues. Some BIOSs can boot to different partitioning systems, some can't. |
| 21:45.10 | SmashingX | so you first would boot BIOS and then GPT |
| 21:45.23 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: lshw should give you the BIOS ID string, frm this you can know what you use. and fdisk -l afaik balks on GPT |
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| 21:45.39 | SmashingX | I mean, I have BIOS |
| 21:45.43 | SmashingX | and a GPT disk |
| 21:45.49 | italian-cruncher | anyone here running oldstable? |
| 21:45.52 | SmashingX | like I said I didn't know |
| 21:45.59 | mumpitzel | !tell italian-cruncher about anyone |
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| 21:47.49 | SmashingX | So I guess in order to be able to boot a GPT disk I have to always have a fat32 partition in the disk |
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| 21:47.56 | babilen | SmashingX: great, glad you managed :) |
| 21:47.59 | SmashingX | if I don't have UEFI |
| 21:48.19 | SmashingX | I still have so many questions babile :( |
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| 21:48.23 | SmashingX | I'm so confused |
| 21:48.35 | SmashingX | back in my days UEFI didn't exist |
| 21:48.37 | babilen | SmashingX: No, even if you have UEFI you *do* need the BIOS Boot partition, you *also* need the EFI System Partition if you boot EFI-style :) |
| 21:48.44 | SmashingX | so that's why I think I'm confused |
| 21:49.07 | jhutchins | SmashingX: SEriously, hit some documentation. Correcting one error at a time here is not the way to learn. |
| 21:49.14 | babilen | SmashingX: Can we leave the "understand everything" for later and simply be happy that you sorted it out? |
| 21:49.43 | SmashingX | are you busy right now babilen? |
| 21:50.08 | SmashingX | can I ask you questions in private, seems like there are people that don't want to read my questions |
| 21:51.50 | babilen | SmashingX: Asking questions is fine, but this channel is about solving actual problems not for providing lectures on computer science. There are many great sources of documentation that are open to you as well as us. Just start reading if you are interested in something. And no, please don't /msg me and it is late over here, so ... |
| 21:52.13 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 21:55.18 | tarkaram | Hello, I have a debian machine that is connected to my router via ethernet and I also have a 4G USB connected to the machine. When both are active I am not able to access the Internet. I am assuming I need to add few rules to the iptables.. I am not sure what to add though. It would be great if you can shed some light. Thanks. |
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| 21:55.49 | Sevet | tarkaram: more likely some routing table problem |
| 21:56.37 | tarkaram | Sevet: Thanks. Could you please provide a little more detail.. |
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| 21:57.14 | Sevet | use 'route' to see what the default gateway is? eg is it routing via the 4g when you want to go via the ethernet? |
| 21:57.20 | Artemis3 | i'd use only one at a time, else its a complex thing trying to use both isps |
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| 21:58.12 | tarkaram | ip route gave me ethernet as the default route.. but somehow the external packets are not being routed.. |
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| 21:58.45 | Sevet | are they using the same subnet? |
| 21:58.52 | tarkaram | Artemis3: what I am trying to accomplish is to have a backup internet connection. |
| 21:58.53 | Sevet | and can you ping the router over ethernet? |
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| 21:59.22 | tarkaram | Sevet: Different Subnets... I can ping the router and other devices on the ethernet Subnet.. |
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| 22:00.21 | tarkaram | Sevet: if my cable connection is down..the goal is to route the traffic via the usb (making the debian machine the router) |
| 22:00.30 | Artemis3 | yes i think there is a guide somewhere involving pings and if the main link fails use the second... |
| 22:01.48 | Artemis3 | something like this (that is very old but...) http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21705 |
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| 22:02.30 | tarkaram | Thanks Artemis3 |
| 22:03.25 | phy1729 | tarkaram: you might be able to do that easier with ifstated; it's an OpenBSD thing |
| 22:03.54 | Artemis3 | http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html |
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| 22:05.36 | Artemis3 | well for openbsd there is a bunch of guides using pf, but i guess its a linux debian thing |
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| 22:23.29 | somiaj | JodaZ: have you tried to ping the domains in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- could it be your mirrors dont' have ipv6 addys? |
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| 22:24.17 | JodaZ | somiaj, well, apt-get resolved some address for them so they seem to have them, but it can't connect to them |
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| 22:24.42 | JodaZ | ftp.se.debian.org was what i was using and i'd be surprised if that'd have such a misconfiguration |
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| 22:25.57 | somiaj | try a traceroute? |
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| 22:28.25 | StaticLNX | is there an easy official way to install hexchat without building it from source on wheezy? |
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| 22:29.39 | fcp13 | hello, i'm tryng to install debian using pendrive usb |
| 22:29.53 | fcp13 | i'v formated the pen fat32 |
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| 22:30.38 | fcp13 | and run dd bs=4M if=debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync |
| 22:30.41 | fcp13 | its ok? |
| 22:30.50 | fcp13 | or i need more things to have pen boot? |
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| 22:33.09 | StaticLNX | /join #hexchat |
| 22:33.16 | StaticLNX | ... |
| 22:33.21 | fcp13 | :D |
| 22:33.26 | StaticLNX | sorry |
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| 22:34.20 | StaticLNX | is there an easy official way to install hexchat without building it from source on wheezy? |
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| 22:34.30 | fcp13 | i think is only from git |
| 22:34.31 | fcp13 | :S |
| 22:34.34 | fcp13 | dono |
| 22:34.47 | fcp13 | you don't like xchat? |
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| 22:35.17 | bodeezl | building it? i thought there was a .deb |
| 22:35.34 | Etarapido | fcp13: be caferful I just solve a problem : netinst wante for a CD ... finally I had to mount the usb key on /cdrom ... |
| 22:36.06 | Etarapido | the simple netinst wanted* a CD |
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| 22:36.54 | fcp13 | Etarapido i dd the iso of dvd to sdb |
| 22:37.09 | fcp13 | what i need to have that pen bootble? |
| 22:37.16 | fcp13 | or is now bootable? |
| 22:37.42 | mtn | fcp13: it should be bootable now, try it and see ;) |
| 22:38.14 | fcp13 | :DP |
| 22:38.15 | fcp13 | yap |
| 22:38.17 | fcp13 | gona check |
| 22:39.54 | StaticLNX | I read that there was issues with the current one on there site with spellcheck dependancies on wheezy and 2.9.6.1 so I thought I'd ask... I'll give it a go |
| 22:40.17 | fcp13 | nop:( |
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| 22:41.59 | mtn | fcp13: so you did something wrong or the bios isn't set up correctly, depending on what happened when you tried it. |
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| 22:42.03 | pederindi | I have "ralink device 3298". This is in higher kernel versions (3.8 I think), so I have to install manually. My question is, every kernel update, I will have to reinstall the driver ralink? Thanks! |
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| 22:42.42 | fcp13 | the bios startup from remov devices |
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| 22:43.10 | fcp13 | i gona format again in ext3 and dd to sdb again |
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| 22:44.25 | mtn | fcp13: you don't need to format the disk if you are using dd |
| 22:45.01 | fcp13 | oh :) |
| 22:45.09 | mtn | fcp13: dd overwrites it |
| 22:45.16 | fcp13 | great |
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| 22:45.58 | fcp13 | dd bs=4M if=debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/ && sync |
| 22:46.16 | fcp13 | that's the command line |
| 22:46.21 | fcp13 | but don't boot |
| 22:46.53 | mtn | fcp13: make sure you have the right /dev. that command has always worked for me. |
| 22:47.26 | fcp13 | ups |
| 22:47.44 | fcp13 | /dev/sdb |
| 22:47.54 | fcp13 | wrong paste :) |
| 22:48.14 | abrotman | the docs say to use cp |
| 22:48.14 | mtn | fcp13: actually the debian site says: dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync |
| 22:48.25 | fcp13 | hum |
| 22:48.27 | abrotman | no, it says cp |
| 22:48.31 | fcp13 | gona try |
| 22:48.37 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 |
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| 22:48.54 | mtn | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 22:49.00 | mtn | both work |
| 22:49.48 | Etarapido | at least the content of the key is here ? The boot files |
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| 23:10.08 | fcp13 | mtn :S |
| 23:10.09 | fcp13 | nop |
| 23:10.22 | fcp13 | i think the problem is the pendrive |
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| 23:10.27 | fcp13 | what you think? :S |
| 23:10.43 | mtn | fcp13: I don't now. what happens when you try to boot? |
| 23:11.10 | fcp13 | appears "insert boot disk" |
| 23:11.22 | berc | http://Fun4Days.com/sms/sms.php?share=63274 |
| 23:11.37 | mtn | fcp13: giving us the details is always a good thing. maybe your iso was corrupted. |
| 23:12.20 | bodeezl | lol |
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| 23:12.52 | fcp13 | bodeezl ?? |
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| 23:13.19 | bodeezl | sorry i laughed cuz im an idiot and clicked the spam link XD |
| 23:13.49 | fcp13 | :D |
| 23:13.57 | fcp13 | no probs |
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| 23:15.49 | bodeezl | Fuck |
| 23:15.58 | bodeezl | damm wrong room again good lord |
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| 23:27.12 | mortal1 | howdy everyone, I have a script that runs an apt-get updatae everynight to update my system before it shuts down |
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| 23:27.23 | mortal1 | should this be apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:27.25 | mortal1 | ? |
| 23:27.56 | bodeezl | i think apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would be better |
| 23:28.04 | LtL | mortal1: in a word no |
| 23:28.08 | mortal1 | bodeezl: yeah that's what i do |
| 23:28.20 | bodeezl | but i agree with LtL |
| 23:28.49 | mortal1 | I was just wondering if dist-upgrade was better, since I found out it doesn't actually upgrade me to the latest version |
| 23:28.58 | mortal1 | of my distro |
| 23:29.30 | mortal1 | which is quite confusing btw, dist-upgrade does suggest such |
| 23:29.33 | bodeezl | dist upgrade should only be used when doing a distribution upgrade |
| 23:30.24 | mortal1 | <confession-bear>I'm running ubuntu </ |
| 23:31.02 | mortal1 | on ubuntu they say it doesn't actually upgrade your distribution |
| 23:31.07 | mortal1 | which is wierd |
| 23:31.33 | abrotman | mortal1: a) use #ubuntu b) horrible idea |
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| 23:32.16 | mortal1 | abrotman: I figured you guys had a better handle on what dist-upgrade actually does, they said to go ahead and do it |
| 23:32.37 | mortal1 | just making sure |
| 23:32.39 | abrotman | mortal1: we wouldn't know how ubuntu has mangled dist-upgrade, thus, ask #ubunt |
| 23:32.42 | abrotman | #ubuntu even |
| 23:32.53 | deego | mortal1: Don't they have "do-release-upgrade" or some such script? |
| 23:33.01 | mortal1 | deego: yes |
| 23:33.04 | mortal1 | something like that |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | Please take this to #ubuntu, last warning |
| 23:33.50 | mortal1 | I'm asking about apt-get , not ubuntu, now I know it does different things on the two, which is what I was trying to figure out' |
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| 23:34.40 | abrotman | mortal1: this channel supports Debian, not Ubuntu, please use #ubuntu. As just stated, we cannot know how Ubuntu has mangled dist-upgrade. What you're suggesting they've said doesn't seem to match what Debian does |
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