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| 00:14.10 | codygman | How do you guys back up your operating system? Does anyone here dd partitions to a backup hard drive? I think maybe that could be useful. |
| 00:14.25 | dvs | codygman: clonezilla |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | codygman: that depends how/what you want to back up , and what to back up to |
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| 00:48.09 | deego | After a reboot, I don't find nscd in ps -ef. I have to manually /etc/init.d/nscd start. Any hints on what I did wrong? |
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| 00:49.28 | sniffingcats | where is geoip database after installing geoip-database package? |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | deego: update-rc.d nscd defaults |
| 00:49.54 | deego | abrotman: thanks. |
| 00:50.05 | sniffingcats | oh, nvm |
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| 00:50.42 | jordanm | sniffingcats, /usr/share/GeoIP/GeoIP.dat |
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| 00:54.22 | deego | abrotman: still, strange that it didn't start on its own: Ah, looking in kern.log, I see: Sep 25 09:15:20 .. kernel: [ 1993.557102] nscd[2849]: segfault... error 4 in libc-2.13.so[..] |
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| 00:54.56 | abrotman | deego: neat! |
| 00:56.13 | deego | abrotman: But, but, that's even more troubling, yeah? :) |
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| 00:56.57 | abrotman | deego: i'd need to see a bit more .. which version of linux i sthis? |
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| 00:57.50 | deego | abrotman: A no-frills, no-mix, plain wheezy, with default repositories, no local packages. |
| 00:58.13 | abrotman | deego: use a pastebin |
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| 01:00.18 | deego | abrotman: Not sure what else to paste. That's the only line above I have. The only thing I "anonymized" above is the name of my machine, and some numbers like [7e30fb304100+180000] which I have no idea what they are. |
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| 01:01.03 | jordanm | that's part of the stack trace |
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| 01:34.39 | tintin | Hi, |
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| 01:37.48 | tintin | What is the default gnome-screenshot save location? |
| 01:38.17 | tintin | debian squeeze |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | I'd imagine the Desktop folder |
| 01:40.56 | LtL | tintin: it's in /home/$USER dir |
| 01:41.36 | LtL | tintin: thats default, you're prompted. |
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| 01:54.37 | seeker61 | Looking for a program that would allow my debian computer to remote into a friends pc in another town |
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| 01:55.27 | ectospasm | seeker61: is it also running Debian (or any UNIX workalike)? |
| 01:55.42 | tintin | LtL, I am not prompted |
| 01:55.57 | ectospasm | seeker61: do you need to run GUI programs over the connection? |
| 01:56.29 | LtL | tintin: strange, i hit print screen, i get a prompt, always have. |
| 01:56.35 | Juzzy | I was replacing a drive in my raid5, and i guess i bumped a cable on another drive, i booted up with 2 of 4 drives in the array, it was obviously disabled, so i cut it back off, jiggled the wire some, booted back up and now that drive is considered a spare |
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| 01:56.44 | tintin | LtL, It is debian squeeze |
| 01:56.49 | Juzzy | anyone know how to tell md a raid5 drive is not a spare? |
| 01:56.51 | tintin | LtL, no, wheezy |
| 01:57.02 | LtL | tintin: yeah, so is mine, gnome squeeze |
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| 02:00.59 | seeker61 | ectospasm: i need a gui interface from my computer which is debian to his computer which is windows 7 what do you know about teamviewer |
| 02:01.59 | ectospasm | teamviewer works well with Linux, and since you're not using it for commercial purposes you're not violating the TeamViewer Terms of Service |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | seeker61: is this over the internet? |
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| 02:03.24 | seeker61 | abrotman: it could be looking for something free and easy to set up on the other guys end |
| 02:03.59 | hoverboard | hi all |
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| 02:05.03 | codygman | Could I install a 3.9 kernel in debian testing? |
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| 02:09.07 | ectospasm | codygman: yes, but why are you running testing? unstable is not slushy... I'm running 3.10.11-1 in unstable/sid... |
| 02:09.18 | ectospasm | !slushy |
| 02:09.18 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | codygman: testing already has a 3.10 |
| 02:10.15 | codygman | abrotman, ectospasm: I want 3.9 because there are nvidia issues with 3.10 |
| 02:10.27 | codygman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717687 |
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| 02:11.06 | abrotman | you mean nvidia has problems, not the kernel |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | so maybe you should use 'stable' if you want stable |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | codygman: didn't i recommend you use a chroot last night? |
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| 02:12.55 | Juzzy | I was replacing a drive in my raid5, and i guess i bumped a cable on another drive, i booted up with 2 of 4 drives in the array, it was obviously disabled, so i cut it back off, jiggled the wire some, booted back up and now that drive is considered a spare |
| 02:12.57 | Juzzy | anyone know how to tell md a raid5 drive is not a spare? |
| 02:13.14 | codygman | abrotman: Yes, but I couldn't figure it out and couldn't get help. I got my chroot mixed up, mounted some stuff I shouldnt have, installed things, and broke an install. Then I installed debian wheezy stable, nvidia, bumblebee, etc got everything working including steam... and opened tf2 and everything ran... except shaders were missing and saturation was messed up... the opengl was too old. |
| 02:14.38 | codygman | abrotman: Also I'm using bumblebee and had no idea how that would work within a chroot |
| 02:14.47 | codygman | when I'm running bumblebee on the host also |
| 02:14.54 | codygman | perhaps I just don't get chroots yet |
| 02:15.15 | codygman | I am trying though, lol |
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| 02:16.01 | codygman | I've currently upgraded my perfect stable I had to testing and then figured out this is why testing didn't work, and it in fact, wasn't that I made an install error. |
| 02:16.08 | codygman | Just that bug I linked above. |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | codygman: testing is not meant for a stable workstation, i warned you more than once |
| 02:17.42 | codygman | abrotman: Oh, I know... I'm not complaining. I'm just saying I tried figuring it out, I didn't just ignore your advice. |
| 02:17.59 | abrotman | perhaps you should have waited until someone was aronud to help you |
| 02:18.35 | codygman | abrotman: Eh... then I wouldn't have learned all the stuff I did about graphics drivers :D |
| 02:19.09 | codygman | plus all my data is backed up, so it's just a reinstall |
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| 02:19.54 | abrotman | what'd you learn? nvidia breaks a lot? :) |
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| 02:21.35 | codygman | abrotman: That for one... and that I want to help fix some of this stuff :S So... about the chroot thing... wouldn't I have the same problem I have now... just in a chroot that is easier to throw away? |
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| 02:22.24 | codygman | basically instead of my inferior "have data backed up, reinstall" method I could use "throw away chroot" if I mess up an install right? |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | a chroot built for web development hopefully isn't driving your Xorg |
| 02:24.09 | codygman | ? chroot built for webdevelopment? I'm confused. so the chroot uses the host graphics then right? Does that mean I can use optirun the same within a chroot? |
| 02:24.22 | codygman | host graphics/drivers* |
| 02:24.51 | codygman | because optirun basically communicates with a virtual x display |
| 02:25.03 | codygman | I thought a chroot had it's own "network" |
| 02:25.18 | codygman | I thought it was closer to a virtual machine I guess |
| 02:25.53 | codygman | brb |
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| 02:27.52 | ectospasm | a chroot is a far cry from a virtual machine. |
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| 02:31.46 | abrotman | who suggested it was a VM? |
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| 02:37.56 | rue_house | can anyone help me with the postgres upgrade process? |
| 02:38.15 | codygman | abrotman: No one, I never really knew what it was and made assumptions. |
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| 02:39.49 | codygman | abrotman: Yesterday you were suggesting I install testing in a chroot right? Should I not use debootstrap? |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | rue_house: you'd need to ask an actual question |
| 02:40.11 | Freeder | Hello, I'm trying to change the local timzone via a bash script. Normally from command line I would use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, but I can't do that with a script (afaik). What are some alternatives I could look at? |
| 02:40.17 | abrotman | codygman: you have testing now, it's a bit late |
| 02:40.47 | codygman | abrotman: It's not late to learn how to use it. I plan on doing the process now while I have someone available to help me, reinstalling stable, and then recreating the chroot to cement the knowledge. |
| 02:40.49 | ectospasm | Freeder: you could update /etc/localtime from /usr/share/zoneinfo. It's what I do, though it might not be the Debian way. |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Freeder about timezone |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell codygman about debootstrap |
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| 02:43.25 | Freeder | abrotman, thank you |
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| 02:43.52 | codygman | abrotman: Cool, installing it now. Wow... I changed hostname in my chroot and was confused yesterday |
| 02:44.33 | Freeder | can you think of any alternatives? I like the copy method, but this is part of an install script Im' writing... I'd like the user to be able to select their timezone 'somehow', and the options in there aren't the most intuitive, perhaps |
| 02:45.20 | abrotman | so use a bash prompt |
| 02:45.32 | Freeder | even if you can think of a way to launch dpkg-reconfigure interactively |
| 02:45.45 | codygman | abrotman: After I have the chroot what then? It uses the host video drivers right? So I'd still have the same problem? |
| 02:45.48 | Freeder | abrotman, can you expand on that? |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | Freeder: google "bash menu program" |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | Freeder: or ask #bash for an example |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | codygman: how so? |
| 02:47.07 | Freeder | they said come here :) hehe |
| 02:47.09 | Freeder | ok, thank you |
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| 02:47.27 | codygman | abrotman: Can I install/use different video drivers and kernels within the chroot? If I run a 3d application will it use that chroots kernel/video driver? How does that communicate with the host driver? |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | Freeder: because you need to know how to set it with bash, but now you know .. but if you wan to prompt someone without using debconf, that's how |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | codygman: isn't this chroot for web development tools? |
| 02:48.19 | codygman | abrotman: No, it's for playing games/tf2 |
| 02:48.36 | codygman | I was wondering why you were talking about web development |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | codygman: because I tohught you were the person wanting to do web development on testing |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | why do you need testing for tf2? |
| 02:49.33 | codygman | abrotman: Nope, I'm the one who keeps running into problems with nvidia, bumblebee, and opengl. |
| 02:49.44 | codygman | although someone asked me what I'd be using my os for |
| 02:49.51 | codygman | and I did mention web development stuff |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | there we go ... |
| 02:50.21 | codygman | I'm totally fine with all of those tools though... it's just nvidia drivers |
| 02:51.10 | codygman | That begs the question, would you still recommend a chroot for my nvidia problems? I don't believe having a newer graphics driver in a chroot will solve the problem of an older one in your host :D |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | does it not work with the drivers in stable ? |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | no .. i thought hte chroot was for the your web dev |
| 02:51.54 | codygman | abrotman: It does, but that bug above happens with 3.10 and nvidia-drivers(jessie): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717687 |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | so use stable? |
| 02:52.27 | codygman | abrotman: *works* in debian wheezy: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2876 (opengl too old) |
| 02:52.40 | codygman | err *"works" |
| 02:53.22 | codygman | The game requires mesa 4 I believe |
| 02:53.32 | codygman | can't remember but only testing has it |
| 02:53.56 | codygman | and to install it required upgrading libc... so basically upgrade to testing unless there is an alternative I'm unaware of |
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| 02:54.28 | codygman | make that "requires mesa 9+" lol way off |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | thinks this must be the worst game in the world |
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| 02:55.13 | codygman | because it requires mesa 9? |
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| 02:56.39 | n0c | ectospasm: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not availa |
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| 02:56.47 | n0c | this is new when running aptitude update |
| 02:56.56 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 02:56.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | n0c: tried 'jessie' ? |
| 02:57.10 | n0c | Error: Timeout was reached |
| 02:57.10 | n0c | Current status: 127 new [+127]. |
| 02:57.10 | n0c | There are 21 newly obsolete packages: gir1.2-tracker-0.14, gnome-games-data, |
| 02:57.25 | n0c | abrotman: i think i read somewhere never to use codenames |
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| 02:57.34 | n0c | and use the release distribution name instead |
| 02:57.45 | n0c | i guess what's most important is to just keep it consistent |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | n0c: use where? |
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| 02:58.47 | n0c | in sources.list |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | no, you should use the releaes name |
| 02:59.12 | ectospasm | n0c: well, the codenames should remain static |
| 02:59.12 | n0c | weird |
| 02:59.17 | n0c | apt-get update didnt complain |
| 02:59.20 | n0c | aptitude update, did |
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| 02:59.42 | ectospasm | ...whereas "stable," "unstable," and "testing" refer to different releases at different points of time. |
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| 02:59.52 | n0c | now it's not at all. i wonder if i had connectivity issues to the miror |
| 03:00.01 | n0c | ectospasm: right |
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| 03:00.08 | n0c | my goal is to always stay on the testing distrib |
| 03:00.15 | n0c | henec, testing is what's in my sources.list |
| 03:00.17 | n0c | *hence |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | do you understand the implications? |
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| 03:01.14 | n0c | yeah, lots of flux near release time |
| 03:01.22 | n0c | i'm fine with broken this and that |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | not near, after |
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| 03:01.36 | n0c | i am running 3.11.1 kernel that i buil and needed the libc6 |
| 03:01.39 | n0c | right, for a few months |
| 03:02.05 | n0c | still 'near' :) |
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| 03:06.42 | rryoumaa | Nomad__: near sounds like just before |
| 03:06.47 | rryoumaa | n0c: ^ |
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| 03:11.38 | scottj | If all your hardware works with the stock debian-supplied kernel, are there any major reasons to compile your own these days? Are there any major benefits to using 3.10 in wheezy-backports vs 3.2 in wheezy? One feature I'm particularly interested in would be less lag when doing heavy IO |
| 03:12.00 | abrotman | scottj: no, compiling generally complicates matters unless you need a feature or bug fix |
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| 03:12.21 | abrotman | scottj: if the current kernel works, probably not much of a reason to mess with it |
| 03:12.44 | abrotman | scottj: do you believe 3.10 has patches that would lessen that lag? |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | (remember that the Debian kernel maintainers backport many things before release) |
| 03:13.22 | scottj | abrotman: nope, I was curious if someone knew of non-hardware support features that are useful on desktop between 3.2 and 3.10 |
| 03:13.44 | abrotman | misses kernel-traffic |
| 03:14.17 | scottj | abrotman: I do recall several years ago mention of a scheduler or patch or something that was supposed to improve this. When writing hard to the hdd it still drives me crazy that my machine lags WAY more than my BeOS box did in the 90s |
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| 03:14.50 | abrotman | several years ago? you should probably google to get more definition, it might just be a parameter change |
| 03:14.58 | oobe | something is grabbing my sound card and making it so none of my browsers have sound even mplayer too http://pastebin.com/JNwMQBA4 |
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| 03:16.31 | rryoumaa | scottj: i ran across one recently. it' |
| 03:16.51 | n0c | rryoumaa: to each their own I suppose, no need to split hairs on such trivial nonsense |
| 03:17.05 | rryoumaa | n0c: agreed, just pointing it out |
| 03:17.18 | rryoumaa | dialects vary |
| 03:17.36 | n0c | scottj: i compiled 3.11.1 personally, and was delighted, for the open source 'radeon' driver now supporting dynamic power management |
| 03:17.49 | n0c | which is primarily why I am running testing |
| 03:18.05 | scottj | rryoumaa: "it'"..." |
| 03:18.18 | rryoumaa | ' next to RET on keyboard |
| 03:18.22 | n0c | so that some of the bits needed for proper out-of-tree kernel module compilation like headers and the initramfs would work properly |
| 03:18.56 | n0c | i subsequently LOST support for pipelight (netflix on linux) by moving away from wheezy but i am happier with power management :) |
| 03:19.15 | rryoumaa | scottj: search for "kernel patch for desktop performance" |
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| 03:20.54 | codygman | Debain testing used to use linux 3.9.8-1. How can I get the deb to download that? |
| 03:20.59 | codygman | Debian* |
| 03:21.06 | themill | dpkg: tell codygman about snapshots |
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| 03:21.41 | scottj | rryoumaa: ahh yes, appears to be from 2010, probably what I was thinking of |
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| 03:26.09 | mjbjr | so, I've installed debian (wheezy-7.0) and am doing the dvdcss dance, with no luck, I did the three lines here: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html under 'Get libdvdcss', reinstalled smplayer and vlc, but still no luck... any suggestions to solve this? |
| 03:26.27 | mjbjr | btw, first time user of debian |
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| 03:31.01 | Solid-State | Holy shit sid is broken as fuqqqq |
| 03:31.06 | rjsalts | mjbjr: as in you've added these to /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d? then done apt-get update, apt-get install libdvdcss |
| 03:31.21 | rjsalts | Solid-State: yeah, xorg transition in progress |
| 03:32.10 | Gokee2 | mjbjr, Not sure why you need those sources, Debian provides a css package libdvdcss2. I normally just install that and it works. |
| 03:32.31 | ectospasm | Solid-State: I beg to differ |
| 03:32.36 | mjbjr | rjsalts: added the two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list and got the key, but didn't do the apt-get lines, thanks |
| 03:32.40 | ectospasm | but then again, I haven't updated since two days ago |
| 03:32.50 | mjbjr | Gokee2: checking |
| 03:34.06 | Gokee2 | mjbjr, Wait, nevermind.. I grab that from the Debian multimedia project... |
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| 03:34.23 | mjbjr | Gokee2: ok |
| 03:34.24 | Gokee2 | mjbjr, http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
| 03:34.52 | Gokee2 | That guy does some multimedia packages for stuff normal Debian does not provide |
| 03:35.21 | mjbjr | rjsalts: doing the apt-get stuff now |
| 03:35.33 | n0c | how do i make gnome 3.2 tile all windows in a stacked fashion? |
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| 03:36.47 | mjbjr | Gokee2: thanks |
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| 03:37.29 | n0c | 3.8 rather. i see some references to a gnome extension called gTile |
| 03:37.31 | n0c | hmm |
| 03:37.42 | leo_33 | does a recruiter know people from within the company they send you to? |
| 03:38.23 | mjbjr | rjsalts: apt-get install libdvdcss returns Package 'libdvdcss' has no installation candidate |
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| 03:38.51 | rjsalts | mjbjr: apt-cache search libdvdcss |
| 03:39.01 | mjbjr | rjsalts: apt-get install libdvdcss2 seems to be working |
| 03:39.10 | leo_33 | does a recruiter know people from within the company they send you to? |
| 03:39.39 | mjbjr | rjsalts: ok, that worked, do I need to reinstall vlc and smplayer? |
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| 03:40.02 | rjsalts | mjbjr: no, you might need to restart them though |
| 03:40.15 | leo_33 | does a recruiter know people from within the company they send you to? |
| 03:40.21 | mjbjr | rjsalts: roger that, thanks |
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| 03:41.27 | mjbjr | rjsalts: it works!! thanks you very much |
| 03:41.45 | mjbjr | Gokee2: thankyou for your help as well |
| 03:43.06 | leo_33 | does a recruiter know people from within the company they send you to? |
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| 03:43.44 | boudiccas | how do i change the hostname of my computer from 'debian' to 'london' please? |
| 03:44.08 | ectospasm | sudo hostname london |
| 03:44.35 | rjsalts | boudiccas: if you want it to stick you might also update /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
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| 03:45.44 | Gokee2 | mjbjr, Your welcome |
| 03:45.44 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 04:16.01 | themill | Gokee2: btw please recommend people to pin deb-multimedia below debian repos otherwise the next time they upgrade packages they will have lots of broken multimedia packages. That's a nuisance for them and a nuisance for the maintainers of the packages they break in dealing with the bug reports. (/msg dpkg dmm pinning) |
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| 04:16.54 | zykotick9 | themill: sidenote - pinning dmm never "worked" for me? i guess i did something wrong? |
| 04:18.57 | themill | zykotick9: wrong pinning perhaps |
| 04:19.32 | zykotick9 | themill: i guess :) |
| 04:20.26 | themill | what dpkg said was copied from a running system where that was working quite well in keeping the dmm crap off the box while allowing installation of libdvdcss2. |
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| 05:07.03 | somiaj | You can also just download the libdvdcss2 deb from dmm without the repo. I found that easier than compling it myself |
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| 06:06.07 | SId2 | im running lampp on l inux |
| 06:06.26 | SId2 | but i need permission for each and every other file to be executed in background |
| 06:06.38 | SId2 | i want to execute python from php |
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| 06:07.35 | themill | I'm not going to ask why as I'm probably unprepared for the full horror of the answer. You should be able to do that without further configuration in any case. |
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| 06:14.11 | SId2 | how could i do it without setting permission for each file to be executed |
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| 06:14.31 | Vasistha | SId2: what are you really trying to do? Like, real-life example? |
| 06:14.38 | SId2 | i want php to execute some bash scripts and php in background |
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| 06:14.55 | SId2 | but in linux it needs permission on each file to be executed |
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| 06:15.08 | SId2 | when i give this to someone else this will not work there |
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| 06:15.38 | somiaj | SId2: would doing 'source filename' in bash work for you? |
| 06:15.58 | somiaj | not sure if it is a bash only thing and you won't be able to call it form php though |
| 06:16.02 | SId2 | in python should i write bash |
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| 06:16.34 | SId2 | i can do it on my computer |
| 06:16.47 | SId2 | but when i give my application to other what will i do then |
| 06:16.51 | anddam | spent uninterrupted 12h in MS-land, gotta love Debian |
| 06:17.33 | somiaj | yea I guess you could do bash -c "source file" and that will run the script in bash without needing it to be executable |
| 06:17.45 | somiaj | so call your scripts like that |
| 06:18.03 | SId2 | thank you let me try and tell u |
| 06:18.55 | SId2 | i forgot one more thing |
| 06:19.05 | SId2 | my script will write text to file |
| 06:19.16 | SId2 | but file needs read permission |
| 06:19.21 | SId2 | wht to do with that |
| 06:19.40 | somiaj | is the file a tmp file or a permeant file? |
| 06:19.56 | SId2 | permanent text file |
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| 06:20.21 | somiaj | then you have to make a location in which the process has write access. If it was a tmp file you can put it in /tmp |
| 06:20.51 | somiaj | are ya sure you want to mix php scripts and bash scripts. I would be surprised if you couldn't do what you want from within php itself |
| 06:21.04 | SId2 | ok sir im explaining whole process |
| 06:21.12 | SId2 | im having a security tool |
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| 06:21.24 | somiaj | I don't really care to hear, it is off topic for the mos tpart |
| 06:21.37 | somiaj | but anyways you cna't write without write permissions, sot hat will have to be setup. |
| 06:21.37 | SId2 | it is not off topic |
| 06:22.08 | SId2 | my tool uses php to call bash script and python |
| 06:22.20 | SId2 | problem is there are so many permissions to be granted |
| 06:22.24 | SId2 | how to do that |
| 06:22.38 | SId2 | so that it could read and write and execute without manual work |
| 06:22.47 | SId2 | means ones done i could give it to a friend |
| 06:23.14 | somiaj | if you need write permissions you will have to tell our friend how to set them up |
| 06:23.25 | themill | I can't imagine why you'd be calling bash and python scripts from php. |
| 06:23.37 | somiaj | me either, and don't really want to know why. |
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| 06:23.43 | SId2 | php is just an easy interface |
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| 06:23.53 | themill | btw if you use tar (instead of zip) to send around the scripts, the permissions are preserved |
| 06:24.46 | SId2 | i want to give web interface for my software |
| 06:25.05 | SId2 | and i will give installation instructions |
| 06:25.26 | SId2 | in that i will make a bash script to give all permissions to list of files i will be using |
| 06:25.30 | SId2 | will it be good idea |
| 06:25.51 | SId2 | i will be giving this software to all my clients |
| 06:26.06 | SId2 | so that just one bash script and whole software will run |
| 06:26.39 | themill | web-based installers that fiddle with permission are exceedingly poor form. They are icky and don't normally work anyway. |
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| 06:27.18 | SId2 | i know sir but thats my job |
| 06:27.23 | SId2 | i cannot say no |
| 06:28.05 | SId2 | thanks for support bye |
| 06:28.16 | themill | good luck... you're going to need it with that approach |
| 06:29.04 | anddam | actually I learnt saying is the most valuable part of the job |
| 06:29.10 | anddam | saying *no* |
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| 06:30.13 | anddam | themill: the permissions in tar are preserved according to user flags and destination fs, aren't they? |
| 06:30.23 | themill | yeah |
| 06:30.37 | themill | (and yes, promising that you'll do the impossible and then failing to deliver a robust solution is just going to be a black mark against you for failing to deliver) |
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| 06:50.55 | Bugson | hello guys is it possible to upgrade one package to version from testing? |
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| 06:51.41 | themill | Bugson: as a general rule, it's not a good idea. Which package are we talking about? |
| 06:53.56 | Bugson | themill: qemu |
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| 06:55.53 | Ropt | I have a problem with a crontab running a script; it's a script for removing temporary files older than 1 minute. |
| 06:56.34 | Ropt | When I run the script manually, it works as it should and removes the old files, but when its run by the crontab it doesn't remove any files, but returns exit code 0. |
| 06:56.38 | tralala | Ropt, paste your script and the crontab entry in a pastebin |
| 06:56.59 | Ropt | OK 1 sec |
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| 06:59.25 | Ropt | Here is the crontab: http://pastebin.com/s7EPmKuL |
| 06:59.36 | Ropt | and here is my script: http://pastebin.com/179XW0EH |
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| 07:00.51 | Ropt | it's using reap.js: https://npmjs.org/package/reap , so it might be an issue with that, but I can't understand why |
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| 07:02.03 | Ropt | I'm running the script manually with the same user as has the crontab |
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| 07:02.32 | ChrisH | Ropt: quick guess: line 5 of the script, replace reap with absolute path |
| 07:03.19 | monkwitdafunk | What is debian 7 amd64 have as text editors? i have used leafpad and gedit |
| 07:03.48 | monkwitdafunk | Is the crontab part of bash shell? |
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| 07:04.04 | Ropt | ChrisH: ill try it |
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| 07:04.32 | monkwitdafunk | ive used ufw for the bash shell and other utilities for network and memory health |
| 07:04.33 | ChrisH | monkwitdafunk: vi, vim, gvim, emacs, xemacs, nano, pico and millons more |
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| 07:04.48 | drybjed | monkwitdafunk: do you want cli or gui text editor? |
| 07:04.55 | monkwitdafunk | Oh! vi |
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| 07:05.36 | monkwitdafunk | Doesnt matter. Whatever debian already has |
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| 07:06.59 | ChrisH | monkwitdafunk: update-alternatives --list editor will show you some of the installed options. But if you are used to vi/vim take it... |
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| 07:09.37 | Ropt | ChrisH: it still didn't work; I'll have to try use some other reap script, but it's strange because it works when I run my script manually. |
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| 07:12.24 | ChrisH | Ropt: the "does not work" is mostly a matter of environemt. a) check if cron does work at all. add a line like * * * * * date > /tmp/crontest into your crontab b) check if mail from cron do work... remove the > /tmp/crontest part and expect one mail per minute... If both are OK we will continue fixing it. |
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| 07:13.16 | Ropt | ChrisH: crontabs work, and I have tested using a crontab runs a bash script that removes and creates files, it works |
| 07:13.35 | gb | cron does not much like it when the date/time changes either so restarting cron can fix it after such an event |
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| 07:14.00 | Ropt | `service cron restart`? |
| 07:14.16 | ChrisH | Ropt: b is also working? |
| 07:15.07 | Ropt | the mail, ill try it, but to be honest im not sure what mail it is connected to so Ill have to fix that first |
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| 07:15.49 | Ropt | Im also going to try running a Node.js script with crontab, Im suspecting maybe crontab can't find my Node.js installation, although it should if its running as that user |
| 07:16.10 | martin__1 | How can I create my own aliases? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=5314 I followed this guide. However I still get unknown command when I try to run anything |
| 07:16.16 | gb | Ropt: yup either that or a killall -1 cron |
| 07:16.18 | martin__1 | nano ~/.bashrc |
| 07:16.26 | martin__1 | oh wrong window :) |
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| 07:17.09 | gb | throws a roq at martin__1 s window |
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| 07:19.22 | gb | Ropt: you can fix the finding problem by placing the full path into the crontab |
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| 07:20.04 | Ropt | gb: Im absolute paths to everything now |
| 07:20.08 | Ropt | Im using* |
| 07:20.44 | gb | i generally put user binaries in ~/bin i want cron too run but if you have a bugered environment you might need to give cron /home/user/bin/file instead |
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| 07:21.32 | gb | but an easy test of cron would be to have a crontab that does touch ~/test |
| 07:21.58 | gb | then you can do an ls ~/test to see if it changes |
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| 07:22.42 | gb | you could also try /etc/crontab instead |
| 07:23.21 | gb | some older versions of ubuntu i run years ago would only work with /etc/crontab |
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| 07:27.28 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Ropt: maybe it has something to do with evironment cron sets up? is reap a node.js script? did you try "/usr/bin/nodejs /home/node/reap-deamon/reap" instead of just "reap"? |
| 07:29.31 | Ropt | gb: i have made a crontab that does touch and rm on files and it works |
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| 07:30.09 | Ropt | w1ck3dg0ph3r: I changed the script to use the absolute path of reap, which is a node.js script |
| 07:30.33 | Ropt | well its a binary |
| 07:31.25 | gb | Ropt: good start |
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| 07:32.22 | Ropt | ChrisH: I think I'm not going to try to configure the email for this server right now so I'm skipping your b) |
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| 07:33.04 | gb | the other thing you might like to try is to dump all the stderr/etc output to a file |
| 07:33.20 | gb | you might find something in there to indicate why it is failing |
| 07:33.47 | gb | usually if you have a working mail system cron will email you such output though |
| 07:34.22 | Ropt | gb: crontab uses sendmail? or puts the mail in a directory? |
| 07:34.46 | gb | it uses whatever mta you have installed |
| 07:34.53 | ChrisH | Ropt,gb therefore I asked for mail. cron (and at) will send all needed detail by mail. If no mail is configired I expect this to end up in /var/mail/username or somewhere there. then a simple #!/bin/bash -xv will show us all we need |
| 07:35.11 | Ropt | I will look in /var/mail/account_name |
| 07:35.29 | gb | but you can get round that with >>/dev/null 2&>1 |
| 07:35.48 | maxyz | It uses /usr/bin/sendmail afaik |
| 07:35.48 | Ropt | ChrisH: how can I know if no mail is configured? by looking in the /etc/email-accounts file? |
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| 07:36.00 | ChrisH | Ropt: simply test it |
| 07:36.01 | gb | that switches the mailing off so if you sub a filename for /dev/null it will place output in the file instead |
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| 07:37.06 | gb | i would say if you have nothing in /var/spool/mail you probably do not having a functional mta installed |
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| 07:37.43 | Ropt | I'm going to redirect the output to a file instead as you suggest gb; I don't feel that I know enough about configuring mail |
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| 07:38.36 | gb | you do not need to configure mail just append what i pasted above with a file instead for your output |
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| 07:38.49 | Ropt | gb: I have, thanks |
| 07:39.20 | Ropt | two cronjobs have run now, but the output is empty |
| 07:39.30 | gb | but handy line to remember when you do get mail fixed :) |
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| 07:39.36 | ChrisH | How do I get iceweasel not to disbale java 6 just because a new version of java 7 is avaliable. I need Java 6 in this profile. grrrrr took me again 1h to see this and finish logging into a customer syste |
| 07:39.52 | gb | otherwise you get lots and lots of mail from cron |
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| 07:42.40 | gb | ChrisH: you could probably do a simple hack of backing up your profile and restoring it when it does |
| 07:43.14 | gb | there is probably a neater in iceweasel solution thyough |
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| 07:44.20 | gb | copying the profile is probably the quickest short term fic till you figure out something better though |
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| 07:45.18 | gb | i do not know how iceweasel would react to you making the profile read only, but that might be another way to stop it from getting butchered |
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| 07:47.26 | Bugson | guys I'm on fully updated wheezy, and have small problem with tap netdev |
| 07:47.32 | Bugson | when I use tap device in qemu then either the dhcp server is getting timeout (live arch linux) or it has some connectivity issues (windows XP) |
| 07:47.49 | Bugson | generally I'm setting up tap0 device and bridge for it with my phisical iface |
| 07:48.10 | Bugson | when I use "user" netdev then it works ok |
| 07:48.31 | Bugson | the network connectivity issue are for example: |
| 07:48.35 | Bugson | when I ping 8.8.8.8 it responds for 50% of pings |
| 07:48.44 | Bugson | any idea what might be the issue? |
| 07:49.07 | maxyz | Bugson: Does your user belongs to the netdev group? |
| 07:49.19 | Bugson | maxyz: it's root |
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| 07:50.58 | maxyz | Bugson: What do you mean with: 'when I use "user" netdev then it works ok' ? |
| 07:51.28 | Bugson | maxyz: user netdev in qemu isn't using tap devices |
| 07:52.02 | Bugson | qemu is dilling with dhcp and networking by it's own |
| 07:52.22 | Bugson | http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking |
| 07:52.43 | Bugson | don't really now where the problem is |
| 07:52.55 | Bugson | either with debian or with qemu |
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| 07:52.57 | Ropt | How do I echo to stderr? `echo MSG > /dev/stderr` ? |
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| 07:53.37 | Bugson | I now that on debian testing it does work ok, problem is that I can't upgrade |
| 07:53.39 | maxyz | Ropt: echo >&2 Blah |
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| 07:56.54 | Ropt | seems my crontab isn't sending output from stderr |
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| 07:57.11 | maxyz | Bugson: No idea, the qemu netdev scripts shouldn't be too terribly complex. |
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| 08:00.05 | amzeus | Hi, I wanna know how python's .deb packages are made. Is the build script public? Since there are several different packages, I wanna create them as close as possible to the original. The reason why I'm doing this is because I wanna deploy python2.7 easily on some of my old hosts running lenny 5.0 |
| 08:00.06 | roger21 | g |
| 08:00.08 | maxyz | Bugson: Anyway, how are you configuring the nettap device? Are you using one per vm in a bridge? |
| 08:01.08 | amzeus | But when I created my .deb files, they were much larger than the OS provided once |
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| 08:01.25 | Bugson | maxyz: I've got only one tap, bridge and eth |
| 08:02.09 | maxyz | amzeus: Fetch the sources for your running python, apt-get source python and use that as a base |
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| 08:02.52 | maxyz | amzeus: But avoid replacing /usr/bin/python since lots of lenny scripts expect a 2.6 |
| 08:02.52 | Bugson | maxyz: http://sprunge.us/IbcG |
| 08:03.58 | amzeus | maxyz, is there any difference from fetching http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.5/Python-2.7.5.tgz for example? |
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| 08:04.53 | amzeus | maxyz, lenny doesn't even have 2.6, its default is 2.5 |
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| 08:05.20 | maxyz | amzeus: Oh, right, I was thinking in squeeze. |
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| 08:05.49 | amzeus | maxyz, ye, on squeeze i found some repository that provided 2.7 already :) |
| 08:05.53 | martin__1 | How can I create my own aliases? I tried adding them in ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_aliases. I tried adding a line with the content alias testing = "ssh 8.8.8.8" just for a test and it returns testing command not found. What am I missing? |
| 08:06.19 | OpenTokix | martin__1: did you relog or do exec bash after you added the alias? |
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| 08:07.42 | maxyz | amzeus: Well, my recomendation is for you to avoid having to maintain something that is now obsolete. |
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| 08:07.53 | amzeus | martin__1, must be written like: alias test="ssh 8.8.8.8" |
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| 08:08.03 | amzeus | without whitespace around the = |
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| 08:08.25 | maxyz | amzeus: So, if you really need to use lenny, propose the usage of a wheezy chroot inside it. |
| 08:08.52 | amzeus | maxyz, Ye I know it's a bad way, but I like trying :) |
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| 08:11.23 | amzeus | maxyz, so you are not aware of any way i can find the build script for the .deb files that belongs to python? |
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| 08:16.29 | tralala | amzeus, you could define ssh aliases in ~/.ssh/config instead and do 'ssh test' |
| 08:16.43 | mumpitze1 | ,depends python2.7 |
| 08:16.45 | judd | Package python2.7 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: python2.7-minimal (= 2.7.3-6), mime-support, libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.11), libdb5.1, libexpat1 (>= 2.1~beta3), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20070908), libreadline6 (>= 6.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libtinfo5. |
| 08:17.00 | tralala | amzeus, sorry, I meant martin__1 |
| 08:17.10 | mumpitze1 | amzeus: how did you download the sources for python that you compiled? |
| 08:17.22 | amzeus | mumpitze1, wget http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.5/Python-2.7.5.tgz |
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| 08:17.39 | mumpitze1 | !tell amzeus about ssb |
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| 08:18.04 | mumpitze1 | amzeus: getting it from upstream is not a good idea. you should have taken it from squeeze source repos for example |
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| 08:18.33 | mumpitze1 | sorry, wheezy since there are none in squeeze for 2.7 |
| 08:18.34 | amzeus | mumpitze1, okey, yes I agree with that, hopefully it will compile as well |
| 08:18.36 | jelly-home | mumpitze1: it's not "simple" to backport python in any way; building from source into a separate prefix is saner |
| 08:19.00 | mumpitze1 | jelly-home: isn't it possible to install different pythons side by side? |
| 08:19.08 | mumpitze1 | in debian that is |
| 08:19.37 | jelly-home | mumpitze1: there's a LOT of infrastructure in place to make that happen, and it changes from release to release |
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| 08:21.32 | Ropt | My crontab doesn't recognize the `node` part in a script that starts with `#!/usr/bin/env node`; can I register a node env link somehow? |
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| 08:22.45 | gb | the first line in your script is usually your shell to use for your encironment |
| 08:22.48 | amzeus | mumpitze1, Nice, I'll try to fetch the source from wheezy and move it to each of the other releases and see if it compiles, but which is the correct way to build the resulting .deb file, would that be `checkinstall` ? |
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| 08:23.57 | gb | typically you set it to #/usr/bin/bash but it needs to be something which exists which can be determined from an ls -al |
| 08:23.58 | mumpitze1 | amzeus: dpkg-buildpackage. but as jelly-home suggested, use a different prefix |
| 08:24.21 | mumpitze1 | gb: /usr/bin/bash does not exist. /bin/bash does |
| 08:24.40 | gb | arrgh #!/usr/bin/bash rather |
| 08:25.08 | gb | set it to that then |
| 08:25.09 | amzeus | mumpitze1, how do i choose the prefix? or is it the same procedur as in upstream source `./configure prefix=/usr/local` |
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| 08:25.28 | jelly-home | Ropt: that ought to work, is there a "node" binary in PATH anywhere? |
| 08:25.53 | tralala | Ropt, cron runs with (next to) no environment variables set. Whatever your scripts needs in terms of environment it will have to set itself. For node there is an environment variable that points to the modules directory, but I don't remember how it's called. You'll have to figure it out and set it in the scipt. |
| 08:25.54 | mumpitze1 | amzeus: yes that is the prefix |
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| 08:26.26 | amzeus | mumpitze1, great, I'll try that then |
| 08:27.20 | gb | Ropt: if your home environment is bash and the script works with that then set it to bash |
| 08:27.32 | Ropt | tralala: the problem is it's not my script, so I don't want to change it; |
| 08:27.49 | jelly-home | gb: it's not a bash script, why would he use bash as the interpreter |
| 08:27.58 | Ropt | I want to setup things so it works when the node script is called |
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| 08:28.34 | Ropt | I.e. let the cronjob run a setup script, then the node script |
| 08:28.59 | gb | jelly-home: because they complained it worked in bash, just not in cron so if it works in a bash environment thats easiest way i know of to tell cron to use bash |
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| 08:30.06 | Ropt | jelly-home: yes I have the node binary in my PATH, but maybe the PATH is not present when cronjobs are run? I'll try setting it in the PATH as part of the cron script |
| 08:30.11 | jelly-home | gb: but that's confusing the enviroment where a script is run _in_ and he interpreter used by the script itself |
| 08:30.15 | gb | the other option would be to put a symlink at the location in the script to point to bash/sh/ksh/whatever |
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| 08:31.02 | gb | given i have no clue what the script is suppossed to do it's pretty difficult to advise otherwise |
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| 08:31.18 | Bry8Star | Hi, I need to connect to a server which is using a self-signed ssl cert, how can I manually add it in system's SSL-cert-collection database ? |
| 08:31.36 | jelly-home | Ropt: cron uses a short default PATH, man 5 crontab says: PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin". You will have to set it in the crontab file. |
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| 08:32.12 | katla | hello |
| 08:32.21 | katla | I use xset -b to turn off that painful bell sound |
| 08:32.23 | martin__1 | so should aliases be in bashrc or bash_aliases? |
| 08:32.31 | katla | but i forgot which .file I need to put that command in |
| 08:32.40 | katla | so that when I login it disabls the bell? |
| 08:32.41 | jelly-home | gb: a better approach when env can't find the binary is to fix the environment, not the script itself |
| 08:33.18 | Ropt | If I change the PATH in a cronjob script, will it affect the environment outside the cron job? |
| 08:33.39 | jelly-home | Ropt: not in the script. In the crontab for that user. |
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| 08:35.32 | gb | jelly-home: fixing the environment does not help if the script itself sets the default environment which does not/cannot exist, i am only guessing based on knowing nothing about what is trying to be achieved |
| 08:35.44 | gb | all my cronjobs and scripts work well |
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| 08:37.07 | Ropt | Ill try setup a soft link to node in /usr/bin |
| 08:37.11 | tralala | Ropt, if the script is used for other purposes as well, then instead of changing it and running it directly from cron I would write a wrapper script that prepares the environment and then calls the script in question. |
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| 08:38.07 | jelly-home | gb: do you know how using env in a shebang line works? #!/usr/bin/env foo makes env search for foo in PATH and pass control to the right binary. It's used to avoid having to edit scripts when paths to an interpreter change. |
| 08:38.29 | jelly-home | Ropt: don't do that. set correct PATH in crontab instead. |
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| 08:39.00 | jelly-home | polluting /usr/bin with non-packaged bits is not a good idea |
| 08:39.03 | Ropt | jelly-home: how? `PATH=PATH;/my/node/` ? |
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| 08:39.24 | jelly-home | Ropt: where is your node binary? |
| 08:39.42 | Ropt | jelly-home: /home/node/.nvm/v0.10.18/bin/node |
| 08:39.56 | Ropt | I'm using nvm to manage node versions |
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| 08:41.39 | jelly-home | Ropt: you'd probably put something like "PATH = /home/node/.nvm/v0.10.18/bin:/usr/bin:/bin" near the beginning of your crontab |
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| 08:43.28 | jelly-home | Ropt: variable expansion like $PATH can't be used, since a crontab file is not parsed by a shell. This too is documented in crontab(5). |
| 08:43.32 | gb | i find polluting crontab with stuff a bad idea, but whatever |
| 08:43.51 | tralala | me too |
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| 08:44.08 | jelly-home | I find setting up the correct environment is saner than having to customize every script for every possible environment |
| 08:44.11 | tralala | as I said I'd make a wrapper script |
| 08:44.29 | Ropt | tralala: you suggested wrapping the script in a setup script, that setup script could set up the PATH |
| 08:44.48 | gb | that can work but does not in every case |
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| 08:44.51 | tralala | Ropt, and the node modules path if needed |
| 08:45.03 | gb | it really depends what the script is doing |
| 08:45.08 | Ropt | jelly-home you mean to let the cronjob setup the PATH right? before it runs the node script |
| 08:45.33 | gb | if you set something up in the wrapper and it gets changed in the mainscript it's pointless |
| 08:45.39 | jelly-home | Ropt: you seem to be misusing the word "cronjob", but let's say yes. |
| 08:45.57 | Ropt | jelly-home or how do you mean to change the cron environment? |
| 08:46.08 | Etarapido | Hi. GRUB : out of disk :( Once again... it did the same on onther computer. I had search but didn't find... Sad) |
| 08:46.20 | jelly-home | Ropt: just put the PATH setting in the crontab. |
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| 08:46.35 | gb | i would say you are probably better off looking for sumone who has setup and written a proper howto for the script you are trying to implement |
| 08:46.43 | tralala | actually each approach has its merits - if you have many scripts that need the same setup, then indeed crontab is the correct place. On the other hand if you have many scripts and each requires different setup, then crontab is the wrong place to put all of it. |
| 08:47.11 | jelly-home | Ropt: crontab as, the file specifying the cron jobs. The one you edit when you run "crontab -e" |
| 08:47.18 | gb | i find cron breaks very easilly so keep it simple |
| 08:47.20 | Bry8Star | Do Debian already includes root ssl cert from SPI ? ( http://www.spi-inc.org/ca/spi-cacert.crt ) |
| 08:47.28 | Ropt | I'm a newbie with crontab so let me ask you: my crontab has rows for each cron(job) to run |
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| 08:47.50 | Ropt | You mean to put the PATH setup in a row by itself? above the cron declarations? |
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| 08:48.12 | jelly-home | Bry8Star: yes, ls -ld /etc/ssl/certs/spi-ca* |
| 08:48.33 | jelly-home | Ropt: correct. |
| 08:48.41 | Bry8Star | Thanks , jelly-home . |
| 08:48.41 | gb | no path is set at the beginning of the crontab and is therefore every cron/row in your tab will have to traverse it to find what it needs |
| 08:48.43 | tralala | Bry8Star, yes |
| 08:49.24 | Bry8Star | I'm trying to use Pidgin to connect with SPI irc-server on its SSL port, but it seems pidgin is not able to :(โน |
| 08:49.36 | jelly-home | Bry8Star: assuming ca-certificates package is installed as it usually is, |
| 08:49.41 | Bry8Star | SPI irc-server (OFTC) |
| 08:49.51 | gb | so in theory if you set path just before it and add nothing more to your crontab after it you should be ok |
| 08:50.09 | Ropt | you mean like this? http://pastebin.com/GvkqPD4Q |
| 08:50.14 | Bry8Star | I will issue this command then ? sudo apt-get install ca-certificates |
| 08:50.27 | Bry8Star | That command should install all root SSL certs ? |
| 08:50.35 | jelly-home | Ropt: right. |
| 08:50.39 | Ropt | OK |
| 08:51.01 | Ropt | will that PATH command run every time a cron is run? or just once when the crontab is installed? |
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| 08:51.26 | larico | it's not a command... |
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| 08:51.47 | tralala | it is actually and it will run on every cron job |
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| 08:51.51 | jelly-home | Bry8Star: it will install lots of certificates and you can pick which ones are to be active |
| 08:51.52 | Bry8Star | OFTC = irc.oftc.net |
| 08:51.53 | larico | man 5 crontab |
| 08:52.03 | gb | that path should be followed by all crons listed after it i believe |
| 08:52.12 | Bry8Star | THANKS again , jelly-home . |
| 08:52.36 | jelly-home | Ropt: it's not a command, don't think of it as a command. It's a configuration for the cron job lines that come below. |
| 08:52.56 | jelly-home | configuration item* |
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| 08:53.11 | Ropt | so that configuration will be set when the new crontab is installed |
| 08:53.26 | jelly-home | Ropt: right |
| 08:53.29 | gb | only for that tab/user |
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| 08:53.48 | Ropt | that sounds perfect, at least for the case that tralala outlined |
| 08:53.53 | Ropt | thanks |
| 08:54.01 | gb | if you create another user and another crontab it will not have any impact on it |
| 08:54.23 | Ropt | thats fine |
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| 08:54.47 | gb | also a good way to figure out if something you added to your crontab has broken it |
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| 08:56.30 | gb | i use my crontab as an alarmvlock/diary/stream recorder so i do not like it if/when it breaks |
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| 08:59.34 | txomon | hi, I am trying to test if backports fix a bug, and I am unable to get linux-image*.bpo into the grub |
| 08:59.39 | jelly-home | Ropt: putting an explicit version of node in PATH looks weird tho, are you sure there's no symlink in /home/node somewhere to point to the latest/current installation? I know nothing about nvm or node.js. |
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| 09:01.44 | Ropt | jelly-home: I don't think there is, only an alias for the default, and that is a file with the version number in it |
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| 09:03.01 | Ropt | jelly-home, but since different node versions will support different API:s (theoretically) isn't it better to explicitly declare what version to use; if I needed different versions I'd have to set that up for each script instead of in the crontab |
| 09:03.05 | gb | Ropt: typically most of the versions have a symlink to the actual version of the package in lib/whereever |
| 09:03.30 | txomon | so, installing linux-image backports help' |
| 09:03.31 | txomon | ? |
| 09:03.36 | txomon | grub doesn't detect it |
| 09:04.06 | gb | so for package blah it might have blah-v0.99 but lib/blah would point to lib/blah-v0.99 |
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| 09:04.42 | OpenTokix | I love dist-upgrade! - omg! <3 debian |
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| 09:07.11 | jelly-home | Ropt: I have no idea; it just looks weird to have to fix crontab for every patch level update |
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| 09:07.43 | Ropt | jelly-home: good point |
| 09:08.02 | gb | maybe there will be no more patch's or upgrades :) |
| 09:08.15 | Ropt | I hope it will |
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| 09:08.31 | Ropt | I do fix nvm manually, |
| 09:10.02 | gb | you could probably point to nvm from ~/bin and set cron to look there instead |
| 09:10.29 | gb | then if the cpatch link changes you only need to change it in ~/bin |
| 09:11.01 | Ropt | gb: you mean creating a link to the node binary that Im using and refer to that when setting the PATH? |
| 09:11.20 | gb | yup |
| 09:11.41 | Ropt | yes, then I can at least just change the link and not have to edit the crontab, sounds cleaner |
| 09:11.47 | gb | just seems less messy |
| 09:12.07 | Ropt | and just change the link whenever I change the version with nvm |
| 09:12.30 | Ropt | preferrably automatically but not sure if thats possible |
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| 09:12.44 | gb | typicall ~/bin is in your default environment shell so if something works in your shell it should also work in cron too then |
| 09:13.13 | Ropt | but I'll put a link in under my home directory |
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| 09:14.33 | gb | thats the problem with linux, there are so many ways to fix/break things :) |
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| 09:14.58 | Ropt | well at least when you break it you get to blame yourself |
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| 09:16.47 | gb | the makings of a good quit message that followed with oops i broke it again or similar |
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| 09:17.31 | Sevet | ,/clear |
| 09:17.49 | gb | ./muddy |
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| 09:57.08 | EdePopede | hi all. aptitude -F doesn't work as expected. how do i change "%c%a%M %p# - %d#" to make let's say, name field 20 chars wide? |
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| 09:59.18 | themill | EdePopede: %20p |
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| 10:02.05 | EdePopede | themill: nope. was first i tried. results without -F and with %20p: |
| 10:02.17 | EdePopede | p dhttpd - Minimaler sicherer Webserver ohne Unterstรผtzung fรผr cgi-bin <EOL> |
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| 10:02.29 | EdePopede | p dhttpd - Minimaler sicherer Webserver ohne Unterstรผtzung fรผr cgi-bin <EOL> |
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| 10:02.46 | Ropt | EdePopede: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 10:02.46 | EdePopede | (it even adds spaces to fill up the width of xterm) |
| 10:02.55 | EdePopede | for 2 lines, Ropt? |
| 10:03.12 | Ropt | maybe its easier to format |
| 10:03.22 | Ropt | im not complaining |
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| 10:03.57 | EdePopede | using %20p MAKES it smaller, only there seem to be a crazy formula behind it (and it actually makes the 2nd line 1 char longer, hm) |
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| 10:04.38 | themill | EdePopede: there are also elastic fields in the aptitude output -- often the width specifier is the minimum or desired rather than mandated |
| 10:04.39 | EdePopede | oh, k. but pastebin? i thougt pastebin is bad and weird and dunno what, read sth about "why not to use pastebin" |
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| 10:04.52 | themill | paste.debian.net is good |
| 10:05.24 | EdePopede | themill: actually i only want to a) not waste space and b) not cut off description at the right border |
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| 10:06.04 | themill | at the command line or in the curses interface |
| 10:06.35 | EdePopede | Could not add your entry to the paste database: oO |
| 10:06.44 | themill | it has a minimum length |
| 10:06.50 | EdePopede | both if possible. but on the command line atm |
| 10:07.50 | EdePopede | sounds like HTTP 404 and IE |
| 10:07.56 | themill | aptitude doesn't like doing these things. |
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| 10:08.22 | EdePopede | erm... a program doesn't like? that's not very userfriendly |
| 10:08.46 | EdePopede | what is the package db? sqlite? |
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| 10:10.02 | EdePopede | it is /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, right? |
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| 10:10.04 | themill | pseudo-rfc822 just like most files in debian |
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| 10:10.55 | themill | EdePopede: what are you *really* trying to do here? |
| 10:11.12 | EdePopede | i try to get some short infos on packages |
| 10:11.17 | EdePopede | as in apropos(1) |
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| 10:11.43 | EdePopede | only aptitude search output is useless since most of the text is simply cut of |
| 10:11.45 | themill | EdePopede: "apt-cache search ." |
| 10:12.13 | EdePopede | so i have to copy the list to a text editor, then do aptitude show for each of the packages |
| 10:12.23 | themill | why? |
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| 10:12.55 | EdePopede | because i want to READ the text i get |
| 10:13.02 | themill | EdePopede: what are you *really* trying to do here? |
| 10:13.24 | EdePopede | just at the moment? see the differences on the httpd packages |
| 10:13.32 | themill | it seems to change every second line... as soon as I get an answer, the question changes |
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| 10:14.02 | themill | "aptitude show ~Phttpd" ? |
| 10:14.06 | EdePopede | ok, i ask you in english now. no command line |
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| 10:14.31 | EdePopede | what are the differences in the thttpd packages? size, which one is easy to start up? |
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| 10:16.37 | EdePopede | nice for just a couple of packages, but if you have say only apache modules or php modules or so... you never get all the output |
| 10:16.37 | themill | I know nothing about thttpd and can't find any packages in the archive with that name ;( |
| 10:16.51 | themill | EdePopede: you can pipe the output to less |
| 10:17.02 | EdePopede | i did. and again it breaks lines at 80 |
| 10:17.05 | EdePopede | why? |
| 10:17.34 | EdePopede | with cat or less it would wrap lines anyway (unless you use less -S) |
| 10:18.24 | themill | ? |
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| 10:19.06 | themill | the output of "aptitude show package" isn't truncated |
| 10:19.20 | EdePopede | aptitude always cuts lines to 80 characters if redirected or piped, no matter what |
| 10:19.57 | EdePopede | right, but if there are really MANY lines at some point they leave the backscroll buffer |
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| 10:22.00 | eb0t | hey this debian is proving to be a good solid choice of distro....just thought id share that with you guys |
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| 10:22.59 | themill | EdePopede: so pipe the many lines of output into less so they don't leave the buffer? |
| 10:23.22 | EdePopede | and then they are truncated at column 80 |
| 10:23.31 | EdePopede | and i see no info text |
| 10:23.51 | EdePopede | to get it, i must du aptitude show for EACH package by itself |
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| 10:24.13 | themill | no... aptitude show foo | less works just fine |
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| 10:26.54 | EdePopede | argh.. ok, show, i thought of search |
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| 10:35.01 | th3m1773n | Hello all ^^ |
| 10:35.26 | th3m1773n | If you don't mind, I wanted to ask: just got introduced to PEAR. I run a debian server on which the pear command works (but not pecl), but no php-pear package is installed! How is that possible? |
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| 10:37.21 | colo-work | th3m1773n, run `dpkg -S $(type -p pear)` to find out which package, if any, pulled in the binary |
| 10:37.28 | EdePopede | anyway, having a tabellaric output as in "aptitude search" to have a quick overview or to compare packages forces me to go fullscreen (212 wide atm) and then i have to mark the lines or i won't see any more which name belongs to which description. since i may have a gap of 80-90 spaces for multiple lines |
| 10:39.05 | th3m1773n | colo-work: thanks =) |
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| 10:39.43 | th3m1773n | colo-work: it outputs: ndn-php4-compat: /usr/local/bin/pear |
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| 10:40.05 | th3m1773n | so that means it's a crappy version of pear from php4? |
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| 10:41.49 | colo-work | th3m1773n, probably. read the package's description to find out. you can check what it installed by running `dpkg -L <nameofyourpackage>` |
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| 10:43.36 | th3m1773n | alright, it's starting to make more sense |
| 10:43.37 | _christoph_ | Hi, I am using start-stop-deamon within a init script. The process is started during runlevel 2 but disapears until my first login ... |
| 10:43.58 | th3m1773n | colo-work: these are default packages from my hosting provider DH... |
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| 10:44.54 | th3m1773n | colo-work: can I just ask, what does $(type -p pear) do? I get that type -p pear means finding a package containing the string 'pear', but the $() ? |
| 10:45.48 | colo-work | $() on your shell evaluates to the stdout output of the command denoted between $( and ) (like backticks: ``) |
| 10:46.16 | colo-work | $(echo uname -a) |
| 10:46.19 | colo-work | echo $(echo uname -a) |
| 10:46.30 | colo-work | maybe that helps illustrating the concept |
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| 10:46.59 | colo-work | type -p finds executables in your PATH, not packages, btw |
| 10:47.53 | EdePopede | can i use the "Marken" somehow to show all packages (only the list!) that are webservers? man 5 deb is not more than a stub |
| 10:48.01 | th3m1773n | colo-work: alriiight I get it |
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| 10:48.14 | th3m1773n | colo-work: you're the best, man, very clearly explained, thanks a lot |
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| 10:49.46 | colo-work | you're very welcome, th3m1773n :) glad I could help. |
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| 10:52.50 | Tetr | Hello. I have small problem with installing Cython on Debian "Wheezy". I've got source of the program "pysph", which compiling requires Cython >.19, but the latest release of the Cython from repositories is 0.15. So the question is how to correctly compile Cython with "python setup.py install"? |
| 10:54.01 | th3m1773n | colo-work: =) By the way, it seems that a lot of important files are owned by ndn-php4-compat, like phpize, php-config, php... Does that these commands all use the php4 package? That would be worrying... |
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| 10:54.52 | monkwitdafunk | I like intel/amd 86, 64. |
| 10:55.06 | colo-work | th3m1773n, unless someone altered those files without the package manager's consent or knowledge, yes, that is implied by this output. I don't know any package in recent debian releases by that name however. |
| 10:55.38 | th3m1773n | colo-work: alright, well the ndn-php4-compat package is specific to Dreamhost, my provider |
| 10:56.00 | jelly-home | Tetr: I'd probably try to carefully backport cython from testing or unstable, which have 0.19.1+git34-gac3e3a2-1 |
| 10:56.02 | th3m1773n | colo-work: I guess they put a lot of their own modified packages on their default VPS configs |
| 10:56.14 | jelly-home | Tetr: read /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:56.15 | colo-work | I see. you may want to ask them what's up with that package. or view its description. you can run `apt-cache show <packagename>` to do that |
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| 10:57.43 | monkwitdafunk | Im trying to manage a name server |
| 10:58.13 | monkwitdafunk | Not a domain |
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| 10:58.43 | jelly-home | monkwitdafunk: authoritative or caching/recursor? |
| 10:58.44 | th3m1773n | colo-work: Ah great, the cache file contains a lot of relevant info. It's indeed created and maintained by Dreamhost, and the description reads: "Creates compatibility links to behave like PHP4 is still installed, even though it isn't actually available on lenny+." |
| 10:59.36 | th3m1773n | colo-work: So I guess these are just "make-believe" commands that just simulate php4 |
| 10:59.47 | colo-work | th3m1773n, sounds like a reasonable assumption. |
| 10:59.51 | th3m1773n | colo-work: and I still need the actual packages to run commands like pear and pecl |
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| 10:59.54 | Tetr | jelly-home: Thanks. |
| 11:00.40 | th3m1773n | colo-work: alright colo, as I said you're the man =D |
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| 11:02.18 | monkwitdafunk | Hey #debian, i am going to ditch virtual mahines |
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| 11:03.35 | Flashtek | ok, so what is thunderbird called in Debian ? |
| 11:04.04 | colo-work | icedove |
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| 11:04.48 | Flashtek | rolls eyes |
| 11:04.50 | Flashtek | thanks |
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| 11:06.18 | monkwitdafunk | It is up to ke to figure if the newest packages are stable? |
| 11:06.27 | monkwitdafunk | up to me |
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| 11:07.45 | jelly-home | monkwitdafunk: newest packages of what? |
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| 11:11.01 | monkwitdafunk | Squid, postfix and samba/nfs |
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| 11:12.30 | jelly-home | the versions in wheezy seem to work for me. Except for nfs, but I haven't been able to make that one "stable" for the last 15+ years |
| 11:12.56 | monkwitdafunk | I got the perfect idea for my 3 systems |
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| 11:57.07 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm trying to install grub2 from its bzr trunk. how can I achieve this cleanly? Do I just remove the grub packages or is there some more magic involved? |
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| 11:58.43 | mumpitze1 | vampi-the-frog: just set grub-pc on hold and install your new grub version yourself |
| 11:58.53 | vampi-the-frog | how do I set it on hold? |
| 11:59.21 | mumpitze1 | grub-pc is the package which has grub-install inside. so when it never gets an upgrade you never overwrite your special grub version via grub-install |
| 11:59.24 | mumpitze1 | !hold |
| 11:59.44 | vampi-the-frog | !hold |
| 11:59.50 | vampi-the-frog | that ain't work. |
| 11:59.57 | mumpitze1 | dpkg is AWOL :( |
| 11:59.59 | mumpitze1 | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-prevent-a-package-from-being-updated-in-debian.html |
| 12:00.26 | vampi-the-frog | well I'm not worried about updating right now, since I'm only experimenting with the bzr |
| 12:00.51 | vampi-the-frog | I did apt-get remove --purge grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common |
| 12:01.00 | vampi-the-frog | and then sudo make install in the grub folder |
| 12:01.23 | vampi-the-frog | I have a rescue disk ready. brb |
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| 12:12.13 | bullgard4 | RFC 1813 : "Sun's NFS protocol provides transparent remote access to shared file systems across networks." What is a "transparent access"? |
| 12:12.31 | drybjed | bullgard4: everything is in cleartext |
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| 12:13.05 | bullgard4 | drybjed: "everything" is not cleartext. What do you mean? |
| 12:13.38 | drybjed | bullgard4: NFS has no encryption by default, at least the older version - use tunnels for that |
| 12:13.48 | drybjed | that's why it's "transparent" |
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| 12:14.10 | bullgard4 | drybjed: I see. Thank you for explaining. |
| 12:14.26 | drybjed | (I was half-joking. You decide, which half.) |
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| 12:25.34 | tralala | bullgard4, actually by "transparent" they mean that it looks just like any other local file-system to the rest of the OS. |
| 12:26.19 | ChrisH | tralala had the correct explanation. You do not see any differnence if the file is local or on NFS |
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| 12:31.46 | doubled | Can I control the "check drive every 30 times I boot" thing so it doesn't pop up at a bad time? Maybe force a shutdown-restart-check-shutdown? |
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| 12:35.52 | jelly-home | doubled: read about -c and -i in tune2fs and mke2fs manuals |
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| 12:36.36 | jelly-home | doubled: that is, you can disable it and make your own schedule for preventive fscks |
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| 12:37.07 | dontknow | hi. i took an image of a partition using "dd if=/dev/sdaX of=sdaX.img" X is the partition number. should i mount the image first if i want to restore the image? or should i use "dd if=sdaX.img of=/dev/sdaX"? |
| 12:37.45 | mumpitze1 | dontknow: simply use dd to restore. mounting is bad: if you don't mount read only it could change the data while writing it |
| 12:38.30 | dontknow | mumpitze1, i am talking about the mounting image file not the partition. |
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| 12:38.56 | mumpitze1 | so do I |
| 12:39.06 | dontknow | mumpitze1, so "dd if=sdaX.img of=/dev/sdaX" would restore? |
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| 12:39.23 | mumpitze1 | yes it would very very slowly. use a sensible blocksize |
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| 12:40.03 | dontknow | mumixam, damn! thats the problem. it is still restoring after hours! what would you suggesst |
| 12:40.30 | dontknow | mumpitze1, ^ |
| 12:41.16 | dontknow | ext4 partition. can i use bs=4096? |
| 12:41.32 | mumpitze1 | dontknow: 1M |
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| 12:41.52 | dontknow | mumpitze1, can you give me the full syntax please |
| 12:42.12 | mumpitze1 | bs=1M |
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| 12:42.19 | dontknow | mumpitze1, i would also like to see the progress |
| 12:42.52 | boycottg00gle | !ddrescue |
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| 12:43.21 | mumpitze1 | dontknow: as boycottg00gle just suggested, use ddrescue for that thern |
| 12:43.34 | mumpitze1 | dontknow: package gddrescue |
| 12:44.14 | dontknow | so should i use "dd if=sdaX.img of=/dev/sdaX bs=1M ddrescue" command? |
| 12:44.21 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 12:44.34 | mumpitze1 | ddrescue is a replacement for dd with different syntax but doing mostly the same |
| 12:44.46 | mumpitze1 | and it happens to give you a progress display |
| 12:44.51 | dontknow | checking out |
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| 12:45.43 | dontknow | mumpitze1, give the full command please |
| 12:45.50 | dontknow | after that i am gone |
| 12:45.57 | dontknow | leave you alone |
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| 12:46.23 | boycottg00gle | dontknow: man ddrescue |
| 12:46.26 | mumpitze1 | man dd;man ddrescue. I'm not your personal sysadmin |
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| 12:46.50 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
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| 12:47.30 | bullgard4 | tralala, ChrisH : Thank you very much for explaining and your help. |
| 12:48.29 | _christoph_ | Hi. Question: From which point in the init scripts on can I use the hostname command? I get no result in my init script from the command ... |
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| 12:49.30 | mumpitze1 | _christoph_: you can have a " Required-Start: hostname " in your script |
| 12:49.51 | _christoph_ | I already use # Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog hostname |
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| 12:50.03 | mumpitze1 | _christoph_: cat /etc/init.d/motd as an example |
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| 12:54.24 | _christoph_ | mumpitze1: do i have to update the init script after adding dependencies with update.rc.d ? |
| 12:54.50 | mumpitze1 | afaik yes. it's still uses run-parts |
| 12:57.15 | somiaj | _christoph_: are you sure you don't need $hostname as opposed to hostname? |
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| 12:57.51 | somiaj | I guess you don't |
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| 13:01.13 | _christoph_ | mumpitze1: should be hostname, see /etc/init.d/bootlogs |
| 13:01.55 | _christoph_ | mumpitze1: the script starts after sshd, so network should already be available ... :/ |
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| 13:03.03 | mumpitze1 | a path problem? |
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| 13:08.29 | tralala | dpkg, welcome back |
| 13:08.29 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 13:08.29 | _christoph_ | mumpitze1: negative /bin/hostname is found |
| 13:08.50 | abrotman | same architecture? |
| 13:09.01 | tralala | bullgard4, you're welcome :-) |
| 13:09.02 | _christoph_ | mumpitze1: BUT: "hostname -A" is used instead of hostname |
| 13:09.37 | _christoph_ | mumpitze1: hostname -A returns nothing, while hostname returns the correct name :P |
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| 13:21.39 | norberhuis | How can I change my default jdk? |
| 13:22.22 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives IIRC |
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| 13:28.24 | woshty | Are there any lighter-than-chrome graphical webbrowsers? |
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| 13:29.38 | SirLagz | woshty: midori is pretty light |
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| 13:30.20 | woshty | SirLagz: ok, will check that. I am on a machine with very little ram and chrome kind just needs too much memory per tab. |
| 13:30.38 | SirLagz | woshty: you can change the memory configuration of chrome |
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| 13:30.53 | SirLagz | woshty: so that it uses less memory, as it shares it between tabs |
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| 13:38.34 | woshty | SirLagz: I do see some memery shared in chromiums task manager. But it is a low percentage. One of the issues might be the adblock extensions I use, which consumes over 60mb - but without it, some pages take up even more memory .. |
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| 13:40.30 | SirLagz | woshty: you can change how much memory is shared between tabs though |
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| 13:40.41 | lc | hi to all |
| 13:40.48 | SirLagz | woshty: can't remember, sorry lol |
| 13:40.51 | SirLagz | google shoudl tell you |
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| 13:50.08 | abuz_ | hi |
| 13:50.46 | abuz_ | is there a complete guide to make my own debian bootable distro? |
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| 13:52.22 | SirLagz | abuz_: what do you mean make your own ? |
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| 13:54.40 | abuz_ | SirLagz: is there only debootstrap way? or can i select what really i want to put in the distro? |
| 13:55.27 | petn-randall | abuz_: If you're just picking which packages to install on the image it's technically not a separate distro ...] |
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| 13:55.32 | mumpitze1 | !tell abuz_ about custom cd |
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| 13:58.30 | tuxhat | hmm i notice their is not openmotif in the debian wheezy packages ? |
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| 13:58.46 | tuxhat | no^ |
| 13:59.03 | tuxhat | interesting eh |
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| 14:01.48 | MrBean | Hi Debra and Ian, I receive the logwatch report in the morning, but the daily entries of cron are processed at midnight, how come? |
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| 14:04.34 | julius | hi |
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| 14:05.24 | julius | in debian wheezy, is it possible to remove all the bars and notification areas on the desktop or at least to a minimum to get a fullscreen firefox? |
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| 14:05.54 | qman__ | press F11 |
| 14:06.08 | nvteighen | julius: GNOME 3? Nope |
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| 14:06.26 | nvteighen | unless you tell Firefox to do it, as qman__ has told you |
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| 14:09.45 | julius | didnt install it yet |
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| 14:10.32 | [diablo] | good afternoon guys. |
| 14:10.45 | [diablo] | does anyone know where I could get a DVD ISO of Debian 4.0 please? |
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| 14:11.08 | themill | dpkg: tell [diablo] about install etch |
| 14:11.24 | [diablo] | many thanks! |
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| 14:19.10 | freenon | hi guys |
| 14:19.14 | freenon | I have this "problem" |
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| 14:20.48 | freenon | I have a binary program X with root permissions, and two binaries M and R with normal privileges |
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| 14:21.44 | freenon | when I execute M, it executes X R |
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| 14:22.27 | freenon | is there a way to make my program execute X without using setuid ? |
| 14:23.57 | nkuttler | freenon: hm? sudo? what are you trying to do? |
| 14:24.15 | jelly-home | freenon: make a copy of "X" without setuid |
| 14:24.24 | freenon | uhm |
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| 14:24.38 | freenon | well I'll try to explain better |
| 14:24.43 | jelly-home | !goal |
| 14:24.43 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 14:25.38 | freenon | I have a software that executes another multithreaded software |
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| 14:26.17 | freenon | and I want to use the linux command: chrt -f 1 in order to schedule the threads with a certain policy |
| 14:26.34 | freenon | the thing is: chrt is a root program |
| 14:27.03 | nkuttler | with a --pid option |
| 14:27.15 | nkuttler | needs food.... |
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| 14:27.47 | freenon | I know I can set the setuid bit or give my app root owner and group but what else can I do? |
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| 14:31.09 | ksk | sudo? |
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| 14:31.53 | freenon | ksk: can I use it inside my application? |
| 14:32.18 | freenon | like: execute "sudo blablabla" |
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| 14:32.31 | freenon | obviously without prompting the password |
| 14:32.43 | ksk | sure, if you setup sudo(ers) like that |
| 14:33.00 | jelly-home | ksk: limiting chrt invocation to specific arguments (only one specific pid, different each time) might be interesting |
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| 14:33.39 | freenon | uhm |
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| 14:34.32 | freenon | but can I do this without specify the user that will use this app? |
| 14:34.42 | freenon | I mean, like a property of that binary |
| 14:35.01 | jelly-home | freenon: you can put all the users that in a specific group |
| 14:35.22 | jelly-home | that... are supposed to run your app |
| 14:35.43 | mullein | the man page for chrt says that uses who possess CAP_SYS_NICE can change the scheduling attributes. you could write a setuid wrapper that drops privileges, keeping CAP_SYS_NICE. |
| 14:36.10 | mullein | as discussed in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13183327/drop-root-uid-while-retaining-cap-sys-nice |
| 14:36.23 | freenon | thank you for the link |
| 14:36.27 | freenon | it seems interesting |
| 14:37.33 | freenon | thank you guys |
| 14:37.39 | freenon | I'll look into it |
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| 14:41.28 | wondiws | Hi, I understand usbfs is deprecated, and I'm discouraged to use this? |
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| 14:41.39 | freenon | ah |
| 14:41.44 | freenon | another thing |
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| 14:42.13 | wondiws | Because I just installed on my sid system "fxload" which is necessary for a usb-device and it expects a path to a usbfs directory as an argument... |
| 14:42.15 | freenon | if I do the setuid to chrt my app works |
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| 14:43.02 | freenon | I don't know why but it works even when I compile and do all the stuff using my IDE.. it shouldn't work there since I'm starting with a normal user |
| 14:43.19 | karlpinc | Hi I'm running xfce on wheezy. My mouse cursor has changed to a little plus sign with arrows on all the ends and, while it moves around the screen I can make nothing happen. Focus does not change, the window in focus does not seem to receive keypresses. But I can switch to another vt. Is there a way to recover or do I need to kill my X session? |
| 14:44.32 | karlpinc | Er, xfce4 |
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| 14:47.24 | karlpinc | Humm. Random poking reveals that alt-F7 fixed it. What the hell happend? |
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| 14:49.27 | norbert_ | hey folks, anyone here know a website or document that has guidelines for gui interaction |
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| 14:49.55 | norbert_ | for example, the location of a File menu, or what happens when you left click a scroll bar |
| 14:50.01 | norbert_ | and I mean for GNU/Linux specifically |
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| 14:50.29 | norbert_ | similar to the Linux Standard Base, but for GUis |
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| 14:51.10 | norbert_ | with KDE and GNOME (and Xfce, and so on), surely we have such a document/website? |
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| 14:52.30 | Freejack | Is the Android "Binder" driver available for testing in the Debian sources somewhere? |
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| 15:01.46 | EdePopede | 'aptitude show' shows a list of things at the end of the text for a package. cabn i use those things for a search somehow? as in "show all packages that are marked as webserver" |
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| 15:02.33 | EdePopede | there are dozens of commands with apt or dpkg and no idea what else programs are there (mainly for command line) that have to do with package management |
| 15:04.09 | mullein | EdePopede: i think this page may help - https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags |
| 15:04.19 | EdePopede | thx |
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| 15:09.14 | italian-banger | stock install xfce wheezy, no volume tray icon shows up but volume works (yeah xfce4-volumed is installed) |
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| 15:19.14 | petn-randall | Freejack: What does the Android Binder driver do? |
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| 15:23.45 | Freejack | petn-randall: It's a new kind of Interprocess Communication. Apparently it's a bit faster/more flexible for HLLs than the typical Unix IPCs. |
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| 15:30.46 | petn-randall | Freejack: Unless it hit Linus' tree, I doubt it'll be in Debian. |
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| 15:31.46 | EdePopede | debtags looks good, only the questions are very limited. "show me the webservers, but not the addons" any chance? as in web::server AND role::application |
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| 15:32.17 | Zzeiss | Is there a package that lets me run VMWare virtual machines? |
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| 15:33.04 | SadiKumanova | Hi Debians |
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| 15:33.24 | mumpitze1 | !tell Zzeiss about vmware |
| 15:33.51 | mumpitze1 | Zzeiss: tho, virtualbox might be able to use the vmware disk format |
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| 15:34.28 | Zzeiss | mumpitze1: OK, so that's the answer.... try "virtualbox". :) |
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| 15:42.24 | brahman_ | Hi, is the simplest way to build a debian package using dpkg-deb --build with the relevant DEBIAN/ dir? I am trying to deploy some webapp using debian binaries but find the numerous versions of documentation a bit confusing. |
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| 15:43.23 | petn-randall | brahman_: That's not the proper way to do it. You want to build source packages, and generate binary packages from that. |
| 15:43.58 | petn-randall | brahman_: So you'll have a debian/ dir and run 'dpkg-buildpackage'. |
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| 15:44.32 | brahman_ | petn-randall: ah. so many ways to skin a cat and the interwebs reflect that when it comes to debian package building. :0) |
| 15:45.05 | brahman_ | petn-randall: do I need to have a debian/control debian/changelog inside the lowercase debian directory? |
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| 15:50.25 | petn-randall | brahman_: Yes. And you'll also need a debian/rules as a minimum. The uppercase DEBIAN/ only exists when you explode binary .deb packages with dpkg-deb. |
| 15:51.03 | brahman_ | petn-randall: I have found http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.building-first-package.html |
| 15:51.14 | brahman_ | does this look like a good guide to you? |
| 15:51.29 | DammitJim | I have joined my linux box to an active directory windows domain |
| 15:51.51 | DammitJim | is there a way to change the domain and user separator from a + to a / ? |
| 15:51.59 | DammitJim | maybe I should try a \ |
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| 15:52.15 | petn-randall | brahman_: Looks like a good primer. |
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| 15:53.15 | brahman_ | petn-randall: Thanks for this. I have been reading so many different examples my head has exploded |
| 15:53.25 | brahman_ | will see how far I get. |
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| 15:59.49 | petn-randall | brahman_: I recall that there was a simple packaging example which followed best practices. |
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| 16:01.13 | petn-randall | brahman_: This might also be of interest for you: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian#A.27.27Debianization.27.27 |
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| 16:02.33 | brahman_ | petn-randall: thnks for the document, looks like the initial one has built a package. :-) |
| 16:02.47 | brahman_ | will take a look at the wiki document now. |
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| 16:04.33 | jelly-home | ,i hello |
| 16:04.35 | judd | Package hello (devel, optional) in wheezy/i386: The classic greeting, and a good example. Version: 2.8-2; Size: 67.3k; Installed: 548k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/ |
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| 16:07.32 | petn-randall | jelly-home: That was the one. |
| 16:07.42 | petn-randall | brahman_: Check out the package 'hello' |
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| 16:10.07 | brahman_ | petn-randall: do you mean on the wiki doc you sent or in the repos? |
| 16:10.36 | petn-randall | brahman_: The package in the repos. You'll need to pull the sources with 'apt-get source hello'. |
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| 16:11.00 | brahman_ | I really appreciaste your help on this. downlaoding source package now. |
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| 16:32.18 | EdePopede | CS-U 2 F ;) |
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| 16:42.12 | HisaoNakai | Guys, why is php5-suhosin in oldstable and not in stable? :\ |
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| 16:43.26 | fnmueller | HisaoNakai: I guess you didn't read the upgrade infos |
| 16:43.33 | fnmueller | it's explained there |
| 16:44.03 | HisaoNakai | fnmueller: Ah, okay. |
| 16:45.05 | HisaoNakai | fnmueller: Where is that? |
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| 16:46.19 | fnmueller | HisaoNakai: a quick query to a search engline revealed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 16:46.25 | fnmueller | just an example |
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| 16:47.04 | HisaoNakai | Okay. =| |
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| 16:48.51 | fnmueller | baseline: suhosin is of no use anymore, as main parts of it can be found in mainstream php and it's messy to develop and support suhosin |
| 16:49.47 | fnmueller | HisaoNakai: you may also read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657698 , which can be quikly found using a web search engine |
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| 17:00.55 | nmeum | how can I find out where grub is installed? |
| 17:01.07 | nmeum | as in which /dev/sdX |
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| 17:03.06 | AC`97 | wot |
| 17:03.17 | AC`97 | nmeum: cat? dd? grep? |
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| 17:03.51 | mtn | nmeum: do you see grub at boot? |
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| 17:04.56 | nmeum | AC`97,mtn: when you install debian using the debian installer it asks you if you want to install it to the mbr and afterwards it invokes grub-install /dev/sdX I just want to know where grub-install installed grub |
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| 17:05.15 | mtn | nmeum: do you see grub at boot? |
| 17:05.16 | AC`97 | probably most likely /dev/sda |
| 17:05.28 | nmeum | mtn: yes, grub is working fine |
| 17:05.41 | mtn | nmeum: then in it is the mbr of the drive that is booting |
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| 17:06.25 | nmeum | mtn: yeah sure, but how do I find out the /dev/sdX name |
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| 17:07.04 | mtn | nmeum: what drive is booting? if it is sda, then sda is the answer. if sdb, then sdb is the answer. seem simple. am I missing something? |
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| 17:07.55 | LtL | nmeum: 1. you could press 'e' at the grub menu and read the load linux line OR read /boot/grub/grub.cfg and just read the correct line |
| 17:08.05 | LtL | sorry wrong chan |
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| 17:08.54 | AC`97 | nmeum: for drive in /dev/sd?; do sudo dd if=$drive bs=512 count=8 2>/dev/null|grep -q grub&&echo "$drive is grubbed"; done |
| 17:09.04 | AC`97 | what does that output? :P |
| 17:09.05 | LtL | nmeum: silly me, you're cross-posting. |
| 17:09.40 | AC`97 | wot is cross-posting |
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| 17:09.47 | AC`97 | is that like cross dressing |
| 17:09.52 | nmeum | ah forget it I will just use fdisk -l then |
| 17:10.02 | mtn | AC`97: yes, cross dressing for irc |
| 17:10.08 | AC`97 | awesome |
| 17:10.30 | LtL | AC`97: posting the same question in multiple channels. namely #debian freenode and oftc |
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| 17:11.57 | nmeum | let me repharse my question: I need to find out what drive is booting (for a shellscript), how do I do that? |
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| 17:12.00 | LtL | AC`97: the term was coined on USEnet actually. methinks |
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| 17:12.34 | mtn | nmeum: how many drives do you have? if more than one, look in the bios to see which is booting first. |
| 17:12.52 | nmeum | mtn: A shellscript can look anything up in the bios :p |
| 17:12.57 | nmeum | *can't |
| 17:13.05 | AC`97 | actually, it can |
| 17:13.11 | AC`97 | :p |
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| 17:13.30 | mtn | nmeum: wow, your question sure has changed since you first asked it :P |
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| 17:13.44 | nmeum | mtn: wellโฆ |
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| 17:14.07 | mtn | tries to find his crystal ball and get it dusted off |
| 17:14.10 | nakazanieto | Hi guys. I i try boot debian from Live USB i have repoert like Not enought memory to load specified image" What i need to do? |
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| 17:15.00 | fnmueller | nakazanieto: how much ram do you have? |
| 17:15.19 | nakazanieto | 2gb |
| 17:15.47 | nakazanieto | but if i try boot manjaro linux i don't have any proeblems |
| 17:15.52 | nakazanieto | preblems |
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| 17:18.48 | nakazanieto | somebody can help me? |
| 17:18.58 | AC`97 | manybody can help you. |
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| 17:19.58 | mtn | nakazanieto: sounds like something wrong with the live usb, maybe you need to make it again. |
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| 17:22.11 | jhutchins | nakazanieto: If you have a working linux system you can get the md5sum of the device, it should match the sum on the servers. |
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| 17:23.49 | nakazanieto | md5sum is fine |
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| 17:39.59 | eb0t | that mozilla thunderbird looks great ...on debian is it by any chance called something else |
| 17:40.27 | mtn | eb0t: yup, icedove |
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| 17:42.15 | eb0t | ah thanks mtn |
| 17:42.37 | eb0t | then i wont have to bother downloading it ...great stuff |
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| 17:50.58 | lazytaters | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 17:50.59 | lazytaters | dpkg: error: 1 expected program not found in PATH or not executable |
| 17:50.59 | lazytaters | Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin |
| 17:50.59 | dpkg | lazytaters: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 17:51.40 | lazytaters | googling this leads to me being told to use visudo to the above to root's path, but they are already in there, any ideas??? |
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| 17:53.24 | petn-randall | lazytaters: Yes, paste the whole output to http://paste.debian.net please. |
| 17:53.37 | petn-randall | lazytaters: Including the actual command line. |
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| 17:56.18 | lazytaters | petn-randall: including the actual command line? how do you mean? sorry, new to this :$ |
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| 17:56.54 | petn-randall | lazytaters: Where do these errors come from? |
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| 17:57.23 | lazytaters | terminal. oh, do you mean post all of the error? |
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| 17:58.14 | lazytaters | paste.debian.net/46517 |
| 17:58.46 | lazytaters | after using "sudo apt-get -f install" to repair broken dependencies, i get the above error |
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| 18:00.54 | petn-randall | lazytaters: I see, it's customary to also paste the command (in your case 'sudo apt-get -f install'), too, so people get more context. |
| 18:01.40 | petn-randall | lazytaters: What does 'aptitude search ~b' give you?' |
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| 18:02.36 | petn-randall | lazytaters: Oh, and the output of 'apt-cache policy' might be useful, too. |
| 18:02.44 | einspark | Can anyone suggest links to learn about debian kernels? |
| 18:03.45 | lazytaters | paste.debian.net/46522 |
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| 18:08.36 | dmz | howdy y'all, is there an aptitude option for --assume-no? I want to enable some automated updates but I don't want to have apt change config files that have been manually tuned on the system; any suggestions? |
| 18:09.24 | lazytaters | paste.debian.net/46525 |
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| 18:10.16 | lemonsandpears | Where might i find Dr. Shano? |
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| 18:11.34 | rryoumaa | speaking of apt-cache policy, how do you make it so that it will show testing and unstable, but make it so that installing will never install from those? |
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| 18:11.39 | mtn | lazytaters: crunchbang?! |
| 18:11.54 | lazytaters | yes...should i leave? |
| 18:12.03 | mtn | lazytaters: well, wrong channel |
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| 18:12.42 | lazytaters | agh, ok. sorry, i'll leave. |
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| 18:21.30 | straterra | Is there anyway to do a debian install w/ software raid + LVM, then capture those settings for preseed.cfg? |
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| 18:43.20 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: The process ist called 'pinning'. Check man apt_preferences for that. However, mixing stable with testing/unstable is not supported here and will most likely break your system, regardless of pinning. |
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| 18:49.13 | rryoumaa | petn-randall: the idea is to NOT mix :), but just set an apt preferences file, or (as i was hoping) somehow set up aptitude or apt-cache so that even that is not necessary |
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| 18:50.15 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: So you just want the repos there to look up info? |
| 18:50.25 | rryoumaa | petn-randall: yes |
| 18:50.34 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: Pin them to -1. |
| 18:50.48 | rryoumaa | ok, thanks |
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| 19:04.31 | cantoma | hey guys, my internet connection on this debian machine is too slow and in speedtest.net the best I am getting in terms of download is 0.12 Mbps. On another PC in the same network (also debian) I have 10.80 Mbps. What could it be wrong with this machine? I have already tried to ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 but the problem persists. |
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| 19:06.19 | kingsley | cantoma: I don't know, but will offer a few humble suggestions. |
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| 19:07.14 | cantoma | kingsley, i haven't yet tried to reboot because I am running a script that I need it for work and cannot stop it. |
| 19:07.31 | cantoma | kingsley, but apart from that i can do pretty much everything |
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| 19:08.22 | kingsley | cantoma: When you can reboot, or if the network interfaces are hot swappable, try to identify the problem by swapping cables and network cards between the fast and slow computers. |
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| 19:08.53 | cantoma | it is all wireless |
| 19:09.03 | kingsley | cantoma: Or, look in /var/log/messages, or ask on the #networking IRC channel. |
| 19:09.14 | cantoma | they are connected by ethernet by it is to a wireless device that connects them to router |
| 19:09.52 | kingsley | Or, consider what changed just before the computer slowed down. Did it coincide with running the script? |
| 19:10.09 | cantoma | kingsley, the network went down |
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| 19:10.36 | cantoma | kingsley, and one computer (the one that has problems) is a desktop and the other is a laptop |
| 19:10.53 | kingsley | Do you happen to know why the network went down? |
| 19:11.03 | cantoma | kingsley, so basically after the network went down the desktop connection speed slow down |
| 19:11.20 | cantoma | kingsley, because my housemate reset it |
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| 19:11.26 | cantoma | kingsley, he said he was having problems |
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| 19:11.46 | cantoma | kingsley, but right now my laptop is perfect |
| 19:11.50 | kingsley | Are the fast and slow computers on the same subnet? |
| 19:11.56 | cantoma | kingsley, but not the desktop |
| 19:12.34 | cantoma | kingsley, yes |
| 19:12.45 | cantoma | kingsley, both on 192.168.1 |
| 19:13.20 | cantoma | kingsley, the script is being running since yesterday |
| 19:13.34 | cantoma | it is not related |
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| 19:14.43 | kingsley | Would you be willing to paste the output of ifconfig from both the fast and slow computers to a pastebin? |
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| 19:15.26 | cantoma | kingsley, takes ages to open pastebin .. just a second |
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| 19:16.42 | cantoma | kingsley, the fast one was quick: pastebin.com/i2jbJQr0 |
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| 19:16.58 | cantoma | kingsley, and this is the slow one: http://pastebin.com/8WYLZVsk |
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| 19:17.36 | kingsley | OK. Have you checked /var/log/messages on the slow computer for clues yet? |
| 19:17.38 | cantoma | kingsley, if the IRC connection i will then open a connection from the other PCs .. don't think I have run away |
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| 19:17.52 | cantoma | kingsley, if the IRC connection drops i will then open a connection from the other PCs .. don't think I have run away |
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| 19:18.24 | cantoma | kingsley, it shows a lot Sep 26 15:43:22 kernel: [146101.937135] device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 19:18.45 | ll_ | hello, is there any way to get hardware accelerated h.264 decoding using the free radeon driver in debian? |
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| 19:19.39 | kingsley | cantoma: That's interesting. Have you searched Google's indices for it, and a keyword like "~slow"? |
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| 19:20.36 | cantoma | kingsley, it seems to send me to not related forum posts |
| 19:20.51 | cantoma | kingsley, i was trying something like "internet connection unstable on debian on other pcs is fine" |
| 19:21.39 | kingsley | I suggest searching Google's indices for these keywords, without quotes... |
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| 19:21.55 | cantoma | kingsley, yes it was without quotes as well |
| 19:22.04 | kingsley | Hmm... actually, I think quotes would help... |
| 19:22.16 | kingsley | I suggest searching Google's indices for this ... |
| 19:22.17 | cantoma | kingsley, so the RX and TX from both pcs say different stories |
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| 19:22.24 | kingsley | "device eth0 entered promiscuous mode" ~slow |
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| 19:22.45 | cantoma | kingsley, it also say after Sep 26 15:46:26 kernel: [146285.700533] device eth0 left promiscuous mode |
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| 19:23.24 | cantoma | kingsley, could be be a clue: Sep 26 14:35:02 kernel: [142002.324892] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO |
| 19:23.48 | cantoma | kingsley, just before it said e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx |
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| 19:24.28 | kingsley | Maybe you can isolate interesting error messages with: $ egrep eth0 /var/log/messages |
| 19:24.29 | cantoma | kingsley, this is what it shows http://pastebin.com/1KJhfegx |
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| 19:29.29 | cantoma | kingsley, i am going to reset the bridging device that this pcs is connect to and see what happen |
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| 19:30.03 | kingsley | If that doesn't work, I suggest searching Google's indices for "disabling TSO" | "device eth0 entered promiscuous mode" ~slow |
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| 19:34.03 | kingsley | New question, on aptitude and dpkg: How would you stop them from complaining that "hplip-data depends on python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~)" when version 2.7.2-9 of python is installed? |
| 19:34.44 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 19:34.44 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:36.32 | jelly-home | kingsley: that :any bit looks weird. |
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| 19:37.49 | kingsley | Yes, I don't recall seeing ":any" before either. |
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| 19:38.16 | d[^_^]b | are there certain iSCSI cards that do not function properly with bridges? |
| 19:38.39 | d[^_^]b | i've got a handful of NICs based on QLogic 4xxx or 3xxx that don't seem to allow guest VMs to ping through to the internet |
| 19:39.07 | cantoma | kingsley, seems OK now. The bridging device was probably at fault. |
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| 19:39.41 | d[^_^]b | http://serverfault.com/questions/485859/kvm-guest-cant-find-gateway <= this guy seems to have a similar issue of qlogic devices not working for bridge mode |
| 19:39.42 | kingsley | cantoma: Congratulations. |
| 19:40.27 | cantoma | kingsley, so after a router reboot, i will remember next time to reboot the bridge device |
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| 19:44.18 | kingsley | jelly-home: What do you think of http://packages.debian.org/sid/hplip-data saying hplip-data depends on the "default" version of python, but the "apt-cache show" command saying it depends on "python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~)"? Do you, like me, suspect a bug for resolving "default" versions of packages? |
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| 19:45.30 | jelly-home | kingsley: I have no idea what python:any means. |
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| 19:46.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell kingsley -about bat |
| 19:47.10 | babilen | kingsley: Mind pasting the requested output to http://paste.debian.net so we can take a look too? |
| 19:47.24 | babilen | Oh, jelly-home mentioned that already. :-/ |
| 19:47.29 | jelly-home | judd: depends hplip-data --release sid |
| 19:47.30 | judd | Package hplip-data in sid/i386 -- depends: python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~), xz-utils. |
| 19:48.50 | kingsley | jelly-home: Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm seeing too. |
| 19:49.00 | jelly-home | I _guess_ it means "in a multiarch environment, any, even a foreign installation of "python" will suffice" |
| 19:49.32 | jelly-home | and since multiarch is pretty much a wip, aptitude might be oblivious of the finer details |
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| 19:49.57 | jelly-home | that was my quota of wild-ass guessing for today |
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| 19:50.34 | kingsley | Heh. Duly noted. |
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| 20:03.03 | jhutchins | So there is a way to set preference for IPv4 over IPv6 in funtoo linux - is that available in any other distros? Has any preference mechanism been implemented since 2006? (2006 being the date of O'Reilly's latest IPv6 book.) |
| 20:03.51 | Dagger2 | /etc/gai.conf is a thing |
| 20:03.57 | Dagger2 | although normally you'd want to prefer v6... |
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| 20:05.07 | jelly-home | except debian's resolver sometimes happens to "prefer" v7 even when there's no default ipv6 route |
| 20:05.11 | jelly-home | erm, v6 |
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| 20:07.10 | Dagger2 | with the default /etc/gai.conf it *should* sort v4 to the top unless both you and the destination host have public v6 addresses |
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| 20:08.48 | jelly-home | yeah. Except when it doesn't |
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| 20:18.04 | jhutchins | We need to prefer it when both hosts have an address and there's a route, because even then the app doesn't work over v6. |
| 20:18.33 | jhutchins | Frankly I think the problem is with the developer, but it's still up to me to document it. |
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| 20:26.03 | x05h | Anyone know how to disable the console message "Broadcast message from root@hostname ... The system is going down for a shutdown NOW!", when the system shuts down? Tried /etc/init/rc.conf console none :/ nothing :( |
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| 20:28.16 | jhutchins | x05h: What is your purpose for disabling it? |
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| 20:29.15 | kingsley | For what it's worth, Linus Torvalds evidently recently hinted that the US government asked him to compromise Linux's security, allowing spies to infiltrate computers running it (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/19/linux_backdoor_intrigue/). Coincidentally, Wikipedia says NSA Based code named "Security-Enhanced Linux" was integrated into the mainline Linux kernel ten years ago. Comments welcome. |
| 20:29.40 | kingsley | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinux |
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| 20:31.58 | x05h | jhutchins: I've got a slick plymouth boot animation and shutdown splash-screen and single use program connected to my TV and the only bit of ugly is when it's shutting down it drops from X to text mode to display that broadcast message then hops into the plymouth shutdown splash. |
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| 20:33.02 | jhutchins | x05h: I don't think you're going to get around that. |
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| 20:36.02 | jhutchins | x05h: It's part of the actual "shutdown" code, and it might use the kernal wall function that ALLWAYS writes to ALL consoles. |
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| 20:38.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error [...] dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./puppet_3.3.0-1.dsc |
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| 20:38.21 | jiohdi1 | I updated to nvidia driver but now x is broken, how can I get my x back? |
| 20:38.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Why does 'apt-get source puppet/jessie' give me that? |
| 20:38.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | And why in the world it doesn't abort rather than warn me? |
| 20:39.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, I remember, I have to install the devel keyring. |
| 20:39.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | The other question stands though. |
| 20:40.06 | jiohdi1 | how do I un-blacklist the neauvo? driver |
| 20:40.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | nouveau |
| 20:40.38 | x05h | jhutchins: I see halt has a --no-wall option (man), I wonder if I can replace the ACPI shutdown to use this option, or maybe echo "" > /usr/bin/wall haha! |
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| 20:42.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | "dpkg-source: info: extracting puppet in puppet-3.3.0 [...]" -- did it run anything in that package? |
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| 20:44.23 | voxadam | I get so tired of forgetting to invoke aptitude using sudo. Is there any danger to creating an alias that does it for me? |
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| 20:45.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | dpkg-source --help says " --require-valid-signature abort if the package doesn't have a valid signature" |
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| 20:46.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Now I'm pissed off... someone thought it's a good idea not to check signatures even if Debian put in some effort to build a complex PKI. |
| 20:47.22 | jiohdi1 | voxadam: you can use sudo -s which maintains sudo presence until you type exit |
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| 20:47.37 | quinso | Eduard_Munteanu: What is PKI? |
| 20:47.42 | voxadam | I did no know that. Thanks. You learn something new every day. |
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| 20:47.49 | jiohdi1 | np |
| 20:48.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | quinso: public key infrastructure, I mean all that package/archive GPG signing. |
| 20:48.19 | kingsley | jelly-home: For what it's worth, upgrading my version of the "python" package seems to have solved the "any" architecture bug. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. |
| 20:48.30 | quinso | Do debian repo gpg signatures come packaged with debian install as trusted? |
| 20:48.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | quinso: yes |
| 20:49.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | quinso: well, it's rather difficult to check downloaded CD images if you're not on Debian, though |
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| 20:49.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | I filed a bug on that and seemingly they think it's appropriate to put that at the bottom, namely 'wishlist' priority. |
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| 20:50.45 | quinso | Anyway I don't know if my debian install disk contained nsa backdoor or not. Those gpg signatures are probably already known by nsa or modified in the debian image by man-in-middle attack whenever anyone downloads the image. |
| 20:51.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | quinso: chances they could pull that off unnoticed are small but it's enough to be concerned. |
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| 20:53.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | (reminds me of another "good" idea, that apt-get should start services right away) |
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| 20:58.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think I'll come back to Debian after it stops securing the appearance of security. I really don't feel like running arbitrary stuff as root because security is a long option. |
| 21:01.05 | jelly-home | !tell Eduard_Munteanu about policy-rc.d |
| 21:01.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: I know about it, I'm using it. I still think it's a bad default. |
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| 21:04.44 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, can you be more specific? |
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| 21:05.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: about what? If you mean what I said about starting services, apt-get install automatically starts any service it installs. |
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| 21:06.33 | sharky | about the security, what do you think is not convenient? |
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| 21:07.34 | konbon | Hello everyone. I'm having an issue with apt-get update. I get this error http://pastebin.com/5nU4BqFH |
| 21:07.40 | konbon | Anyone know what I can do to fix this? |
| 21:08.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: I certainly did not expect apt-get source foo to continue unpacking and patching the source if the sig check failed. I don't know, did it run arbitrary code from that package? |
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| 21:08.59 | dxtr | So what is the preferred way of intallling fonts that doesn't have a package? Are there a directory for it or will I have to hack some xorg configuration? |
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| 21:09.18 | mumpitze1 | konbon: fix your sources.list to containt proper repos which exist. it's not really an error either |
| 21:09.29 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, I see, yes that is interesting, but maybe you can configure it ... |
| 21:09.39 | konbon | Do you have a link for proper sources? |
| 21:09.45 | mumpitze1 | konbon: a 404 means the same as in your browser "the file you try to download doesn't exist" |
| 21:09.46 | konbon | I don't know where to get them. |
| 21:09.54 | mumpitze1 | !tell konbon about wheezy sources.list |
| 21:10.00 | konbon | I'm on Debian x64 Wheezy |
| 21:10.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: I probably can, I can also install the devel keyring which I forgot. Still, it's not a sane default. |
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| 21:10.34 | jiohdi1 | konbon: ppa repos were added for specific packages not in the debian repo, yes? |
| 21:10.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Crypto is easy, cheap and effective, but only if you use it consistently. |
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| 21:11.01 | konbon | jiohdi, correct. |
| 21:11.07 | konbon | For a GTK 2 theme |
| 21:11.28 | konbon | before that added repo, I still had issues updating, Lots of pages would 404 |
| 21:11.31 | jiohdi1 | konbon: then you need to find the website for that package[s] and see where the moved it |
| 21:11.43 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, if I think like more experienced user I agree :D |
| 21:11.47 | konbon | I'll go with the manual package installer. |
| 21:12.07 | konbon | mumpitze1, Thanks for the info, mate :) |
| 21:12.11 | konbon | fixing now |
| 21:12.46 | jiohdi1 | mumpitze1: any idea how I can fix my xorg, I broke it trying to add nvidia drivers |
| 21:12.50 | konbon | all official repos require deb in front of the url and a description at the end, correct? |
| 21:12.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Someone obviously thought security is a long option for dpkg-source. |
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| 21:13.37 | sharky | debian is normally very concerned about security |
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| 21:14.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think debootstrap also got fixed recently (if it even did), it used to simply warn and continue about missing keys. |
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| 21:17.22 | sharky | I think it won't be so bad if it stops and tells you "hey you need that key and you get it with smth like gpg --recv-key ..." |
| 21:18.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: that would be a bad idea, might as well not check it if you get a key from the keyserver and don't check it. |
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| 21:19.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | (btw, CentOS is even worse, there's absolutely no chain of trust starting on their https website) |
| 21:19.33 | konbon | After editing my sources list, I still get this problem. http://pastebin.com/HLcdXsNa |
| 21:19.36 | konbon | Any suggestions? |
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| 21:20.57 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, i did not understand why is bad idea to pull the keys from a gpg keyserver |
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| 21:21.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: that is okay in itself, but you have to check fingerprints over a secure channel at the very least |
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| 21:22.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | I meant simply directing users to --recv-keys without checking fingerprints is a bad idea. |
| 21:22.54 | sharky | konbon, why don't you use sources like in the example - https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList ? |
| 21:23.23 | konbon | Did not know that existed. |
| 21:23.28 | konbon | Is that list good for wheezy ? |
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| 21:23.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | konbon: there's even an example specifically for Wheezy |
| 21:24.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Example sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" |
| 21:24.16 | konbon | I see it now. Thanks :) |
| 21:24.23 | sharky | konbon, yes it is good for wheezy |
| 21:24.44 | konbon | Is it safe to post a pastebin url of my .sources.list here? Once I get the updated list modified. |
| 21:24.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | konbon: safe how? |
| 21:24.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | konbon: anybody can see it |
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| 21:25.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | If you mean whether it's safe to disclose your sources.list, then yeah, it most likely is. |
| 21:25.39 | konbon | Seems like it does not show much info of my user or ip. |
| 21:25.44 | konbon | Cool |
| 21:25.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | konbon: sanitize those if you like |
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| 21:27.07 | konbon | Second question. How do I remove a ppa that's giving me a 404? |
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| 21:27.26 | konbon | I added one for a gtk theme but now that seems to be the only one that's coming back with 404. |
| 21:27.29 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, when you have signed binaries you don't need secure channel, you just check the signatures |
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| 21:28.10 | kdub | given a debian/control... is there a tool that will print out a list of the depends: packages? |
| 21:28.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: as long as the keys do indeed belong to the signer |
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| 21:28.35 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, exactly |
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| 21:29.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: if you just --recv-keys, that doesn't assure you it belongs to whomever they say it does. |
| 21:29.24 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, but in gpg there was this network of trust, who is trusting what keys and what not |
| 21:29.39 | konbon | would this work for removing the source? remove-apt-repository ppa:nikount/orta-desktop |
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| 21:30.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: ah, yes, that works. *If* you have an extensive web of trust. Most users don't even have a GPG key. |
| 21:31.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | So yeah, if you somehow meet a Debian developer in person and exchange keys, it works. Otherwise you'd need some other way to validate keys. |
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| 21:32.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: a reasonable fix IMO is publishing the key fingerprint on a Debian https-enabled domain, and tell the user to check it after --recv-keys. |
| 21:32.57 | konbon | nevermind. I fixed it with --remove :) |
| 21:33.12 | konbon | You guys are amazing with the help. I wish I could hug you all :P |
| 21:33.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | In any case, most certainly making the check optional and disabled by default is the worst thing. |
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| 21:36.45 | somiaj | hugs dpkg |
| 21:38.04 | DexterF | Torvalds has recently been asked if the US spooks appoached him, he joked a bit on that together with Tejun Heo (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/19/linux_backdoor_intrigue/), it got me thinking, though: what about the closed src NV driver. a *lot* of people run this. |
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| 21:38.32 | sharky | Eduard_Munteanu, well it would be enough if the repository maintainer is trusted from multiple developers or something like that |
| 21:38.59 | seynb | DexterF: there's always nouveau and you can install a libre-linux kernel if you are really so worried |
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| 21:39.35 | DexterF | seynb: big picture |
| 21:40.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | sharky: it still doesn't solve the problem unless you have a chain of trust leading to that key |
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| 21:40.35 | seynb | DexterF: big picture: if they own the pipes, doubtless they can own your box with or without some possibly-trojaned code |
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| 21:41.17 | sharky | DexterF, yeah I watched the keynote that is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Sx0E13gAo |
| 21:41.44 | DexterF | seynb: basically you say "P(any event) > 0". This isn't helping. |
| 21:42.28 | sharky | seynb, if the own the pipes they can suck your dick when you use proper encryption ;) |
| 21:42.53 | jhutchins | Could we get back to debian support please and take the conspiracy theories somewhere else? |
| 21:42.55 | sharky | and clean sources |
| 21:43.03 | seynb | www.linuxfromscratch.org |
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| 21:46.18 | vmiimu | I'd like to purchase a used computer to install and practice w/ Debian. Is there a list of compatible PC's somewhere w/ model no.'s i.e. HP, Dell, IBM etc.? |
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| 21:47.35 | chris87 | vmiimu, https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware |
| 21:48.03 | lt_dan | or get a raspberrypi for $40 and tinker with raspbian, which is a fork of debian |
| 21:48.40 | jhutchins | vmiimu: Most generic boxes will work fine. |
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| 21:48.52 | socomm | vmiimu: Virtual Machine not an option? |
| 21:49.10 | Artemis3 | many people are throwing away perfectly useable computers just because the latest Microsoft product is sluggish on it... |
| 21:49.42 | vmiimu | socomm -- i have a vm on laptop now but dedicated thing to leave on at home is more flexible |
| 21:49.59 | vmiimu | chris87 -- thanx! exactly what i was looking for |
| 21:50.06 | socomm | That Sarah Sharp is cute, but those ankles though .... |
| 21:51.09 | socomm | vmiimu: get rasberry pi and use it as a "green" home server. |
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| 21:54.09 | chris87 | i don't think that raspian will help him to get experience with a real debian system |
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| 21:56.52 | socomm | I've never used raspian, so I can't vouch for its "realness". |
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| 21:58.56 | RoxRacoon | Hello |
| 21:59.04 | RoxRacoon | How do you give read write permissions to groups using acl, but not giving users accses, and it needs to be recursive for new files and directorys. |
| 21:59.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: hi |
| 21:59.07 | vmiimu | Need help w/ mysql upgrade on wheezy -- I d/l'ed and installed latest from msyql sudo dpkg -i mysql-5.6.14-debian6.0-i686.deb + restarted but version still shows 5.5.31-0+wheezy1 -- what am i missing? |
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| 21:59.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: for new files to inherit ACLs, you have the so-called "default" ACLs. |
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| 22:00.41 | somiaj | vmiimu: NOt exactly sure how that package from mysql is built, but it doesn't seem to have the same naming convention as debian packages. do a 'dpkg -l | grep mysql' and paste the outout at paste.debian.net |
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| 22:01.05 | somiaj | vmiimu: my guess is you have both versions installed. |
| 22:01.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: are you aware all users belonging to that group will have access too? |
| 22:01.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: if you don't want that, then don't enable group permissions |
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| 22:02.14 | local | I have 12 harddisks รก 600GB and would like to create some arrays. There should be saved VMs of Xenserver. Any recommendations for creating the arrays? Should I create one big array over a set of 10 disks with 2 hot-spare? and which stripe-size to choose? 512k ? what do u pro's think about ? |
| 22:02.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: let's talk here, not privately |
| 22:02.45 | RoxRacoon | Okey |
| 22:02.54 | RoxRacoon | Sorry if this is spam though |
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| 22:02.59 | RoxRacoon | Make another group called AnotherNewDepartment. Place Filip in this group. Then make sure that, by |
| 22:02.59 | RoxRacoon | using acl, you can give read and write permissions for borh the AnotherNewDepartment group as well as |
| 22:02.59 | RoxRacoon | the NewDepartment group in a new directory called ACLtest in /NewShared. Other users should have |
| 22:02.59 | RoxRacoon | no access. Make sure the permissions are recursive for both newly created files and directories. |
| 22:02.59 | RoxRacoon | Make another testdirectory called 2ACLtest in /NewShared where NewDepartment should have readaccess and AnotherNewDepartment should have full permissions. Make sure the permissions are |
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| 22:03.20 | RoxRacoon | It was |
| 22:03.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: don't paste that much in the channel |
| 22:03.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: use a pastebin |
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| 22:03.55 | RoxRacoon | Yeah sorry |
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| 22:04.43 | RoxRacoon | http://pastebin.com/LyUb2iww Eduard_Munteanu |
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| 22:05.22 | jhutchins | I think somebody wants us to do their homework for them. |
| 22:05.40 | RoxRacoon | No i just want help with the last question i have a test tommorow |
| 22:05.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: ok, what is unclear regarding that? |
| 22:06.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or where did you get stuck etc. |
| 22:06.59 | RoxRacoon | the acl part |
| 22:08.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: I told you above you can set default permissions for a directory such that new files in that dir get them. |
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| 22:10.29 | Bulkt | exit |
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| 22:10.43 | RoxRacoon | Eduard_Munteanu:Okey, but how do i wright it in commad form? |
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| 22:11.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | RoxRacoon: look at setfacl's manpage, search for "default" |
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| 22:14.22 | RoxRacoon | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks sir |
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| 22:20.09 | nongeek | How can I restart iptable service? |
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| 22:21.47 | nongeek | anybody here? |
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| 22:22.27 | DongMaster | no |
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| 22:22.33 | sbirri | hi |
| 22:22.34 | DongMaster | Hi |
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| 22:23.11 | DongMaster | Generally, iptables isn't a service just as a fyi. Why do you need to restart it? |
| 22:23.16 | sbirri | if i download the netinstall iso ARM version will i be able to use it in a Virtualbox VM ? |
| 22:23.33 | DongMaster | What architecture is your virtual machine? |
| 22:23.44 | sbirri | my pc is amd64 |
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| 22:24.40 | sbirri | but i need an ARM version of debian, so i can install it on a VM and then copy the VM disk on a file (via dd + nc ) and then i can copy that image on my tablet (Android) |
| 22:24.41 | DongMaster | It'd need to ARM as well or else it won't work. ARM processors are usually in embedded hardware. Like Android devices. |
| 22:24.51 | DongMaster | Yeah haah was just gonna say :) |
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| 22:25.15 | DongMaster | There is arm versions of Debian I believe. I'll look around for you :) |
| 22:25.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: you don't need a VM to run Debian on Android. |
| 22:25.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | FSVO run |
| 22:25.32 | sbirri | maybe with QEMU? cant QEMU emulate other processors, like ARM, MIPS etcetera? |
| 22:25.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: QEMU can |
| 22:25.45 | DongMaster | Well, what are you trying to get on your android device ? |
| 22:25.50 | sbirri | Eduard_Munteanu: yes i do. What's an FSVO? |
| 22:26.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | For Some Value Of |
| 22:26.11 | sbirri | DongMaster: someting like Debi Lili |
| 22:26.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: that doesn't involve a VM on the device |
| 22:26.51 | sbirri | Eduard_Munteanu: i need a VM because debi lili doesnt work |
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| 22:27.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: you could just debootstrap Debian for armhf and copy it over. That's what I did. |
| 22:27.22 | DongMaster | Hmm, good luck :) . Personally, I just use the terminal emulator on my device. It has a ported C compiler and some normal linux functions. |
| 22:27.23 | sbirri | is there a debian live cd ARM version and a way to boot its image on android? |
| 22:27.31 | DongMaster | Now, I'm gonna go to sleep. Night all. |
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| 22:27.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: then you can chroot into it |
| 22:28.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, you need to put it somewhere where there's no nodev/noexec/nosuid in place. |
| 22:28.51 | sbirri | Eduard_Munteanu: once i apt-get debootstrap, how can i configure it to create an ARM install instead of an amd64 one? |
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| 22:29.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: see the manpage, you want --arch=armhf --foreign |
| 22:29.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: the other half of the debootstrap you can do either on the device itself or using QEMU *user* emulation (as opposed to system). |
| 22:29.56 | sbirri | Eduard_Munteanu: i could remount that partition or maybe use and external hd. "armhf" ? my tablet is ARMv7 are you sure i dont need an armel instead? |
| 22:30.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: doesn't your ARMv7 support hardware floating point? |
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| 22:31.09 | sbirri | wait wait, i can use debootstrap on my amd64 debian installation, or should i use qemu? |
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| 22:31.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: you only need qemu if you want to complete the second half of debootstrap on your PC |
| 22:32.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: with --foreign, debootstrap just unpacks stuff but doesn't run any binaries (it can't on foreign arches) |
| 22:32.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: but you can complete the debootstrap on the tablet as well |
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| 22:33.05 | sbirri | Eduard_Munteanu: yes, i think it support it. /proc/cpuinfo has "vfp" and "vfpv3" |
| 22:33.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: that sounds like it |
| 22:33.29 | sbirri | i know. Thanks. |
| 22:33.34 | konbon | I just edited my nvidia-settings in root and saved to X with the proper resolution I wanted. Is there a way to load the new X configuration? |
| 22:33.42 | sbirri | now i try.. |
| 22:33.45 | sbirri | :) |
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| 22:34.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: make sure to preserve permissions when you move it over to the device, e.g. make a tarball with permissions |
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| 22:36.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | konbon: just restart the X server, e.g. logout |
| 22:37.07 | konbon | oh ok |
| 22:37.09 | konbon | Thanks :) |
| 22:37.10 | konbon | brb |
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| 22:38.43 | konbon | Well, that didn't work :( |
| 22:39.09 | konbon | It brings me back to this horrible 1024 resolution |
| 22:39.18 | konbon | 1024x768* |
| 22:39.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | konbon: the monitor sync frequency ranges might be set too low in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:40.17 | konbon | I don't even have a xorg.conf |
| 22:40.25 | konbon | I do have a xorg.conf.d but that one is empty |
| 22:40.32 | zinx | konbon: is it hooked to a TV? |
| 22:41.02 | konbon | vga monitor |
| 22:41.05 | konbon | a Dell Monitor |
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| 22:41.16 | zinx | konbon: hmm, old enough to not support EDID? |
| 22:41.24 | konbon | probably |
| 22:41.29 | konbon | 9+ years old |
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| 22:41.44 | zinx | well, you'll have to make a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:41.51 | zinx | if it doesn't do EDID |
| 22:42.12 | zinx | (or does it wrong) |
| 22:42.59 | konbon | cool, another thing i need to learn lol |
| 22:43.09 | konbon | windows is looking mighty tasty right about now lol |
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| 22:44.00 | zinx | *shrug*, most monitors, even ones that old, support EDID :/ |
| 22:44.15 | zinx | they started adding it quite some time ago |
| 22:44.38 | zinx | most HDMI/DVI TVs also support it, but they also get it wrong quite a bit. |
| 22:45.04 | ctmjr | konbon, how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 22:45.16 | sbirri | Eduard_Munteanu: once i 've copied it on the device should i create an image (to mount as loop device) or can i simply put everithing into a directory and than chroot there ? |
| 22:45.31 | sbirri | *y |
| 22:45.53 | konbon | through terminal using this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 22:46.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: I put it somewhere in /data, but I also removed nosuid, nodev and noexec from the mount options, running my own build of Cyanogenmod |
| 22:47.03 | konbon | I think i found the issue, if possible |
| 22:47.13 | konbon | I installed GeForce 6xxx instead of GeForce 5xxx driver |
| 22:47.17 | sbirri | is cyanogenmod better than the 'normal' androids? |
| 22:47.26 | ctmjr | konbon, I am guessing you did not do step 3 Create an Xorg server configuration file. |
| 22:47.27 | konbon | Is there a way to remove the current one and install the proper one? |
| 22:47.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: you can put it in a loop image but it takes up space you're not using (unless you make a sparse file, but it's inconvenient even then) |
| 22:47.41 | konbon | Probably :( |
| 22:47.43 | sbirri | ok |
| 22:48.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | sbirri: depends, it does have quite a few goodies, and they probably support more devices than AOSP |
| 22:48.45 | konbon | before i make the new xorg configuration file, can i uninstall the current nvidia driver and install the proper one? |
| 22:48.52 | konbon | what is the command for it, if possible? |
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| 22:50.36 | somiaj | what do you mean by the proper one and current one? |
| 22:51.03 | konbon | I'm using the wrong driver. I installed it for 6XXX version of video cards |
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| 22:51.17 | konbon | I have a 550Ti which would require a 5XXX driver |
| 22:51.21 | konbon | Nvidia* |
| 22:51.43 | dxtr | Alright, so I've installed Debian on my macbook pro (6,2) and I am NOT using nvidia. Whenever I remove the power cord the screen goes black. |
| 22:51.47 | dxtr | Any idea on how I can fix this? |
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| 22:53.19 | mtn | dxtr: a guess: look in the power management settings |
| 22:54.07 | somiaj | konbon: the driver is the same for both those cards, did you isntall the driver from nvidia.com, if so their drivers can mess with a debian system and you should isntall the driver from the non-free packages from debian |
| 22:54.11 | somiaj | !tell konbon about nvidia |
| 22:54.44 | somiaj | there is also a nvidia-installer-cleanup pacakge to clean up things the nvidia.com isntaller did. |
| 22:54.57 | somiaj | the nvidia-kernel-dkms and assorted packages in debian should support that card just fine |
| 22:55.05 | ctmjr | konbon, the new driver will work with your card |
| 22:55.31 | konbon | so is it possible that i just need to do the step 3 of making the xorg config and restarting ? |
| 22:56.09 | ctmjr | konbon, that 5xxx you see is for the old geforce5000 series cards |
| 22:56.16 | ctmjr | yes |
| 22:56.30 | konbon | I'll follow the tutorial for xorg configuration |
| 22:56.37 | konbon | ctmjr, Thanks for your help |
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| 23:01.44 | konbon | I followed this command # echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 23:01.58 | konbon | I assume it made the xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 23:02.23 | konbon | although, i don't see it in /etc/X11/ |
| 23:03.58 | konbon | my xorg.conf.d is empty as well |
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| 23:04.15 | konbon | and i install don't see a xorg.conf :( |
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| 23:22.17 | ttyS1 | . |
| 23:22.20 | ttyS1 | how can I speed up copying a file from one internal SATA disc to another internal SATA disc. Is currently copying at 23MB/s. This seems painfully slow. |
| 23:23.27 | dxtr | How are you copying it? |
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| 23:23.56 | nk287 | maybe hd has inproper dma mode |
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| 23:25.27 | peterrooney | ttyS1: if your system is actually busy doing other things, ionice -c 1 -p $(pidof -x cp) |
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| 23:33.06 | JodaZ | wtf |
| 23:33.20 | JodaZ | just used unionfs-fuse on wheezy everything just from normal packages and it told me |
| 23:33.25 | JodaZ | "fuse: warning: library too old, some operations may not not work" |
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| 23:35.38 | nk287 | JodaZ: but some operations may work |
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| 23:36.03 | JodaZ | nk287, very funny |
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| 23:39.29 | ttyS1 | how can I speed up copying a file from one internal SATA disc to another internal SATA disc. Is currently copying at 23MB/s. This seems painfully slow. |
| 23:39.49 | qman__ | replace the disk with one that isn't failing |
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| 23:44.09 | ttyS1 | qman__: these are new disks formated with ext4. I'm copying using Nautilus |
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| 23:46.57 | qman__ | ttyS1, check dmesg, and also try writing a file using dd, example: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | pv > /path/to/testfile |
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| 23:48.09 | qman__ | if dd is fast, try to copy the intended file that way, dd if=/your/source/file | pv > /destination/file |
| 23:49.01 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:49.07 | mrdeb | iceweasel just got updated to 24, ok |
| 23:49.21 | qman__ | if both dd are fast it's probably an issue with nautilus, if only the first one is it's probably an issue with the source disk |
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| 23:52.51 | jordanm | qman__: if you are trying to test performance, bs should match the block size of the filesystem |
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| 23:53.01 | jordanm | which is probably 4M |
| 23:53.14 | tkbx | is there any way to get a live iso of debian testing? |
| 23:53.45 | jordanm | tkbx: I am pretty sure there are daily builds of it |
| 23:54.12 | tkbx | where jordanm? I can only find live images of stable |
| 23:55.51 | qman__ | the filesystem's block size is probably 4k, not 4M, but it doesn't really matter for this example |
| 23:56.10 | qman__ | it will go a lot faster than it is now if it's not a hardware issue |
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| 23:56.48 | ttyS1 | qman__: with dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | pv > /path/to/testfile. I get: 100MB 0:00:00 [ 169MB/s] [ <=> |
| 23:56.53 | tkbx | The architecture on Intel 64-bit is called "AMD64", right? |
| 23:57.19 | ttyS1 | qman__: with dd if=/your/source/file | pv > /destination/file i get: 679477248 bytes (679 MB) copied, 8.78838 s, 77.3 MB/s |
| 23:57.21 | jordanm | tkbx: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/ yeah, looks like daily builds are not provided currently |
| 23:57.41 | tkbx | huh |
| 23:57.42 | jordanm | qman__: yeah, you are right, 4k |
| 23:57.55 | qman__ | ttyS1, probably an issue with nautilus then, that's still pretty slow from the source disk though |
| 23:58.21 | qman__ | the write speed is clearly very fast, and the reads should be faster than the writes |
| 23:58.21 | tkbx | is it possible to get Debian Testing in a non-gnome spin? |
| 23:58.26 | jordanm | if you are testing copy, i wouldn't direct that at a problem with nautilus |
| 23:58.41 | jordanm | you only tested read. if copying it must read *and* write |
| 23:58.46 | ttyS1 | qman__: I'll try the same reading and writing to the same disk |
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| 23:59.02 | jordanm | tkbx: you can do that from the netinst cd. use the advanced options from the boot menu |
| 23:59.17 | tkbx | okay, thanks |
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| 23:59.20 | qman__ | jordanm, I specifically had him test writing to destination first, then copying from source |
| 23:59.32 | qman__ | jordanm, in both cases the speed was at least three times faster than when he does it using nautilus |
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| 23:59.37 | qman__ | therefore, likely a problem with nautilus |
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