| 00:00.09 | tkbx | is jesse going to be 8.0? |
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| 00:01.00 | jordanm | qman__: read seeks are typically your killer for performance |
| 00:01.14 | jordanm | qman__: did you copy a real file? |
| 00:01.21 | qman__ | jordanm, yes |
| 00:01.32 | jordanm | then nautilus is slower :) |
| 00:01.46 | jordanm | tkbx: yes |
| 00:01.55 | jordanm | in approx 2 years |
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| 00:03.24 | codygman | I want to do a debian install and the only network I have available is one that requires wpa PEAP while netcfg seemingly only supports wpa? Can I manually configure everything? I typically use wpa_supplicant but I know that doesn't come with the netinst. |
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| 00:04.52 | jordanm | codygman: probably best to use cd1 if that's all you have available |
| 00:05.10 | jordanm | netinst might support wpa now, but it used to only support wep |
| 00:05.35 | jordanm | but if you just need a minimal system, you can do so via netinst without networking |
| 00:05.40 | codygman | jordanm: Huh... alright. It does support plain WPA, but not with EAP afaik. |
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| 00:06.23 | ttyS1 | qman__: if I try dd if=/debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso | pv > /debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso I get: 679477248 bytes (679 MB) copied, 18.9427 s, 35.9 MB/s |
| 00:06.26 | ttyS1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.54 | codygman | jordanm: So I *only* need cd 1? |
| 00:07.14 | jordanm | !cd contents |
| 00:07.14 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
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| 00:08.20 | jordanm | codygman: looks like wpasupplicant is on cd1 |
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| 00:09.23 | Devastator | I have to reinstall windows on a computer with dual boot using grub, windows will probably overwrite mbr, to recover it, I just have to run a rescue cd and type grub-install /dev/sda, correct? |
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| 00:11.37 | jned | can I setup my own weather rss feed by reading using yahoo's weather feed? |
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| 00:12.14 | jordanm | jned: probably, but that doesn't really have anything to do with #debian |
| 00:12.36 | jned | jordanm, hmm, which channel do you think? |
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| 00:13.50 | jordanm | jned: #yourlanguageofchoice |
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| 00:13.59 | jordanm | but I am betting it's against their ToS |
| 00:14.18 | jned | you are talking jibberish? |
| 00:15.11 | jordanm | jned: I don't think so? |
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| 00:16.40 | LtL | jordanm: correction: I don't think so. (declarative) no question about it :-) |
| 00:17.40 | LtL | i.e not talking whatever |
| 00:17.48 | LtL | runs |
| 00:17.56 | Devastator | my question was missed :( |
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| 00:20.14 | Devastator | dual boot is indeed a pain, meh.. |
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| 00:21.24 | LtL | Devastator: i'm thinking what you're about to try should work, but with windows bootloader i'm not positive |
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| 00:22.07 | jned | Devastator, dual boot, its pretty easy, what's the problem |
| 00:22.29 | Devastator | LtL I wish it didn't touch grub, but what to say? windows breaks easily |
| 00:22.32 | jned | Devastator, oooooooh you want to use the windows boot loader |
| 00:22.41 | Devastator | jned nope |
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| 00:22.47 | jned | Devastator, its easy to repair windows boot loader |
| 00:23.34 | Devastator | jned I'm currently using grub and I want to keep that way, but I need to reinstall windows, which will most likely overwrite grub, I then want to get grub back :) |
| 00:24.22 | jned | Devastator, oooooh, you did the wrong order there eh, you should've installed windows first, and it would be way easier, did you ever consider running windows using virtual box? |
| 00:25.03 | Devastator | jned I did install windows first, but now I have to reinstall it :( |
| 00:25.13 | jned | Devastator, grub is easy to fix too, you can make a boot disk, get a partition ready, install windows on that partition, then use the boot disk, and do grub-install |
| 00:25.50 | Devastator | jned so, basically I reinstall windows, boot debian rescue disk and grub-install /dev/sda? |
| 00:25.52 | jned | Devastator, installing windows in virtualbox is so easy |
| 00:26.19 | Devastator | jned I wish I could run it in vbox, not the case though |
| 00:27.07 | jned | Devastator, you better find some instructions for making boot disks with grub, then after you install windows and it overwrites the mbr, you can use the boot disk to boot into linux |
| 00:27.19 | jned | Devastator, why can't you use vbox? |
| 00:27.46 | Devastator | jned windows needs to be default boot :( |
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| 00:28.02 | jned | Devastator, do you know what virtualbox is? |
| 00:28.14 | Devastator | jned yes, I use it almost daily |
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| 00:29.42 | jned | Devastator, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD_002dROM.html |
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| 00:30.32 | Devastator | jned thanks! wouldn't a rescue disk from debian also work? |
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| 00:31.30 | jned | Devastator, yeah but I boot disk would be easier and more convenient. But yeah, you should be able to install grub using a rescue disk just as well. Hey so you know what you are doing already |
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| 00:31.54 | jned | Devastator, so how would you do it with rescue disk? |
| 00:32.40 | Devastator | jned I would boot with it and grub-install |
| 00:33.11 | Devastator | and I don't know entirely what to do, heheh I wanted confirmation |
| 00:33.15 | jned | Devastator, cool, I had some troubles in the past trying to do that, but sounds like you got more skills than me |
| 00:33.27 | Devastator | jned I wish :( |
| 00:33.51 | jned | Devastator, better make a boot disk to just in case |
| 00:34.26 | Devastator | sure, what's is one more iso these days? :) |
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| 00:36.15 | jned | I install rss feed reader for iceweasel, xul-ext-sagexul-ext-sage, but not sure how to use it |
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| 00:40.06 | jvidal | . |
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| 00:47.16 | pederindi | I have two computer at 10cm each other, I want to make a mega-transfer with rsync. Suggestions? |
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| 00:47.43 | pederindi | I know how to do this with USB, how about NFS, ssh, ...? |
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| 00:48.01 | jvidal | Hi |
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| 00:50.17 | ttyS1 | how can i check at what speed cp can cp a file ? |
| 00:50.24 | jned | pederindi, scp source destination |
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| 00:53.18 | pederindi | jned: scp is like cp no? I wanted something like rsync, to make sync (i'm obsessed with sync) |
| 00:53.31 | jned | scp is ssh cp |
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| 00:53.48 | jned | I think rsync is better |
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| 01:00.11 | ttyS1 | qman__: is there a way I can do that same test with a directory ? |
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| 01:00.58 | qman__ | ttyS1, not that same one, but you can coax rsync into giving you what you're after |
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| 01:02.37 | jcbjoe | hi all .. does debian come with a dfault terminal ? |
| 01:02.43 | jcbjoe | if so what is it ? |
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| 01:03.08 | camoril | i think xterm is installed by default |
| 01:03.14 | cristiancv | hello im testing a mailserver with next software postfix 2.9.6 dovecot 2.1.7 and mysql like postfix backend |
| 01:03.15 | camoril | no really sure |
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| 01:03.49 | cristiancv | and im receiving this problem: improper command pipelining after EHLO from unknown[192.168.1.3]: QUIT\r\n |
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| 01:06.55 | cristiancv | please somebody helpme! this is my postconf settings: http://paste.debian.net/46661/ |
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| 01:10.37 | camoril | cristiancv: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1981416.html |
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| 01:11.51 | ttyS1 | qman__: Thank you |
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| 01:14.26 | cristiancv | thanks camoril, im testing now |
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| 01:15.40 | cristiancv | now im receiving this error: lost connection after CONNECT from pc.example.com |
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| 01:26.21 | bodeezl | oh no |
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| 01:51.07 | davexunit | hey all. I'm running debian testing. has anyone experienced any issues with rsyslogd eating a lot of cpu? |
| 01:51.21 | davexunit | it's maxing out one core of my cpu and killing my battery life. |
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| 01:56.42 | Yoshi1 | how do i get sshfs to not need sudo to run |
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| 02:03.41 | gnarface | Yoshi1: ... run it as root |
| 02:04.54 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: then i cant get into the foler where i am mounting the server |
| 02:04.57 | Yoshi1 | folder* |
| 02:05.17 | gnarface | that is a permissions issue with the folder + mount point, not sshfs |
| 02:05.31 | gnarface | you'd have the same problem mounting locally |
| 02:05.35 | Yoshi1 | or it's a group provlem with fuse and /dev/fuse |
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| 02:06.12 | Yoshi1 | because i can mount iso's usb sticks and external hard drives fine |
| 02:06.21 | gnarface | they are different |
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| 02:06.32 | gnarface | you get that for free by being in the cdrom group i think because its removable media |
| 02:07.30 | gnarface | Yoshi1: my point was simply you can change the permissions on the mount point so that any user can write to it after you mount as root. there is no need to go reducing the global security of the system by configuring it so anyone can mount anything anywhere |
| 02:07.54 | gnarface | Yoshi1: but do what you want... |
| 02:07.59 | Yoshi1 | ok how do i chahnge the perms on the mount point thne? |
| 02:08.03 | Yoshi1 | change* |
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| 02:08.23 | gnarface | change them directly on the remote server, or change them locally after you've mounted it (with root obviously) |
| 02:09.00 | gnarface | when you mount something, the permissions that were on the directory you mounted it in locally get replaced with the remote mountpoint's actual permissions |
| 02:09.17 | gnarface | as do the entire contents of the directory if it had any |
| 02:09.25 | gnarface | (but they get put back when you unmount of course) |
| 02:09.33 | Yoshi1 | the folder i am mounting server side doesnt need root.y best guess as to the cause of this problem is because i am running sshfs using sudo the mount point on this end becomes root accessible only. cause when sshfs isnt running i can access the folder just fine |
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| 02:10.21 | gnarface | alright then... i did my best to help. good luck |
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| 02:11.09 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: what i need really is the command to change the perms of the mount point which i dont know |
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| 02:11.26 | Yoshi1 | thats why i asked how do i do that |
| 02:11.28 | gnarface | Yoshi1: its the same as the command to change the perms on any other directory or file |
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| 03:07.34 | sapphire-black | hello all |
| 03:08.31 | sapphire-black | would this be the correct channel for a couple Debian GNU/Linux installation questions relating to UltraSPARC hardware? |
| 03:09.30 | dvs | !ask |
| 03:09.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:16.14 | sapphire-black | I have a problem with debian-installer failing to detect a cdrom device. I boot slice f on the cdrom manually at the OBP simply as "boot /pci@1f,4000/scsi@3/disk@4,0:f", which loads SILO (which complains about bad ext2 superblock magic) and displays the initial installation text "welcome to Debian GNU/Linux wheezy, 20130616 build time etc". 'enter' allocates 64mb for kernel, displays the error about bad ext2 superblock m |
| 03:16.15 | sapphire-black | agic again, then the regular install menu comes up asking for a language. |
| 03:16.35 | sapphire-black | After this, no cdrom drive was detected. |
| 03:16.54 | sapphire-black | I can read from /dev/sr0 with dd no problem |
| 03:17.19 | owen1 | my router supports both 2.4 and 5 GHz. is it ok to set both to have the same ssid? |
| 03:17.42 | sapphire-black | any hints on how to get the debian installer to recognize my cd-rom device on /dev/sr0 |
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| 03:41.45 | reavengrey | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll |
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| 03:46.22 | Engen | Hi, running crunchbang linux (fork of debian) and was just wondering if it's at all possible to force the package manager to use a git repository to update a certain library? Current version of libmtp I have is 1.1.2 and looking to change to the latest which is 1.1.6 |
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| 03:47.43 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: bleh i just added myself to the fuse group |
| 03:47.46 | Yoshi11 | that solved it |
| 03:47.54 | levlaz | yes - you can point it to a repo that contains that version and selectively install it -- is there a concept of backports in #!? |
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| 03:49.13 | Engen | levlaz: I would believe so, it's pretty much a bare debian without all the extra software with default debian. |
| 03:49.54 | gnarface | Yoshi11: that might be fine. you gotta be careful though, not every group is safe to add regular users to. |
| 03:50.04 | levlaz | Engen: I've never used crunchbang -- but I am sure you can use debian sources. Is the software you are looking for in a backport somewhere.. that seems to work well. |
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| 03:50.28 | levlaz | Engen: If you are running stable, it is not recommended to mix testing/sid packages in stable so if it is not in a backport .. you should package it yourself (that will help the next person) :) |
| 03:50.33 | Engen | It has a git repo |
| 03:50.50 | Engen | and I have the folder with the latest version of the lib downloaded |
| 03:50.57 | gnarface | Yoshi11: (for example, if you add a user to the "disk" group i believe it allows them raw access to harddrive device nodes, effectively sidestepping all filesystem permissions |
| 03:51.01 | gnarface | ) |
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| 03:51.34 | Engen | I've found gentoo equivalents of what I need to do I think, emerge =media-libs/libmtp-9999 |
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| 03:54.05 | Engen | http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy and http://packages.crunchbang.org/waldorf waldorf are the current repos set in the package manager. |
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| 03:54.32 | levlaz | libmtp 1.1.6 is currently in jessie/testing .. which means that if you are running #! "stable" then ... you should either package it or compile it from source .. |
| 03:55.00 | Engen | how would I package it? |
| 03:55.04 | Engen | googles |
| 03:56.22 | Engen | Getting it from here? http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libmtp9 |
| 03:56.28 | levlaz | Packaging has several benefits, most notably it makes the system aware of your packges and you could help someone else out in the future... in any case here is a good link on how to install software that is not in your current repo. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=228570 |
| 03:56.35 | levlaz | Engen: I wish it were that easy. :) |
| 03:56.52 | Engen | levlaz: thanks. |
| 03:58.15 | Engen | Well, time to find out how big of a boom linux goes off with. Bye folks. |
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| 04:06.42 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: ok i get that but this is a single user system i am on so adding myself to a group shouldnt be that big of a deal |
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| 04:08.08 | gnarface | Yoshi11: so long as you always run implicitly trusted software... yea |
| 04:08.29 | gnarface | Yoshi11: but with raw disc access you could even use bash to write a rather insidious linux virus |
| 04:08.56 | Yoshi11 | hmmmm |
| 04:09.02 | gnarface | Yoshi11: and there would be no need for permission escalation to make it work... |
| 04:09.15 | reavengrey | Hi, there is a configuration file, likely under /etc which allows you to tell the kernel whether your RTC is in localtime or UTC |
| 04:09.20 | reavengrey | Which configuration file is that? |
| 04:09.43 | gnarface | Yoshi11: (i'd be more wary of perl and php though, just due to the nature of their markets) |
| 04:10.34 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: and here i am trying to get into php programming |
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| 04:10.40 | gnarface | Yoshi11: now, granted, windows doesn't even have such notions of restriction of access, so if you don't care that your linux box is now only as secure as a windows box that's fine |
| 04:11.36 | gnarface | reavengrey: nobody remembers. just run "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" and it will give you a ncurses menu to set it up |
| 04:11.44 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: well i had tried to chmod 777 the mount point on my system but it didnt work |
| 04:11.49 | reavengrey | Thanks |
| 04:12.31 | gnarface | Yoshi11: since you're trying to get into php, i should warn you that 99.9999% of the time its a huge tactical error to chmod 777 something anyway |
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| 04:12.44 | gnarface | Yoshi11: (security, again) |
| 04:13.18 | gnarface | Yoshi11: fine for a test box for writing quick&dirty php on a completely trusted network, but ... really really don't go live until you figure out how do to it the right way |
| 04:13.46 | Yoshi11 | yes i am aware it gives everyone perms on that thing but a) it didnt work anyway and b) i dont know what the various numbers mean so thats the only option i kknow |
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| 04:16.06 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: but like i said it didnt work anyway |
| 04:16.08 | gnarface | Yoshi11: you should uh... read the chmod man page repeatedly until you understand what those numbers mean. its arcane but not conceptually difficult. |
| 04:16.27 | gnarface | Yoshi11: the chown manpage may have relevant info you need too. i'd read them both |
| 04:17.14 | gnarface | Yoshi11: (don't be scared!!) to understand the pattern, it will help some to know how to count in binary (don't be scared!!) |
| 04:17.26 | gnarface | but that's not a requirement |
| 04:17.33 | gnarface | just makes it easier to remember |
| 04:17.54 | Yoshi11 | binary doessnt scare me |
| 04:18.28 | gnarface | MOST php vulnerabilities in the wild that aren't SQL injection pretty much amount to having too lax of filesystem permissions |
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| 04:19.00 | gnarface | and its unfortunately very common for novice php users to give each other terrible advice |
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| 04:19.32 | gnarface | stuff like gallery.php and wordpress don't set good examples either |
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| 04:20.39 | gnarface | hardening php is very easy but its frighteningly rare to see good documentation for beginners that properly explains how |
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| 04:23.08 | Yoshi11 | hmmmm |
| 04:23.16 | Yoshi11 | soorry studying chown right now |
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| 04:23.50 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: so i could chown a folder? |
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| 04:24.40 | tonytraductor | Hi. |
| 04:24.54 | levlaz | Hello |
| 04:24.58 | tonytraductor | I can't start pcmanfm as my user. I can with gksu or sudo or as other users on the system. |
| 04:25.03 | tonytraductor | What happens is, no window appears. |
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| 04:25.17 | tonytraductor | I ran it with gdb and received no useful information. I run it from terminal, and nothing. |
| 04:25.26 | tonytraductor | It seems, for all practical purposes, to be running, but no window appears. |
| 04:25.37 | tonytraductor | this is on wheezy, using openbox |
| 04:25.44 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: or would a chmod rw be better? |
| 04:25.50 | gnarface | Yoshi11: you can chown a folder or a file or a device node. if you chown a folder and then mount it, note that the folder temporarily has the *mount points* permissions not its own, while mounted (and if you chown a MOUNTED folder, the MOUNT POINT gets the change, not the folder) |
| 04:26.18 | gnarface | Yoshi11: well, you will find you will often have to chmod and chown something both |
| 04:26.28 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: what is the difference between the mount point getting changed and the folder? |
| 04:27.13 | levlaz | tony .. try killall pacmanfm |
| 04:27.16 | levlaz | then try to run it again |
| 04:27.23 | gnarface | Yoshi11: just that after you unmount, the folder will go back to its old permissions, and that if you expect to change the permissions of the mount point by changing the folder you're GOING TO mount it to (before mounting actually happens) you will become very frustrated because its not possible |
| 04:27.35 | tonytraductor | Oh, yes, I killalled pcmanfm various times and restarted it. same thing keeps happening. no change. |
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| 04:28.13 | levlaz | is there anything in /var/log/messages? |
| 04:28.16 | Yoshi11 | gnarface: so if i sshfs and mount a server to a folder on my system and chown/mod it it only changes those perms while it is mounted? |
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| 04:28.52 | gnarface | Yoshi11: correct; you can only affect the permissions of the remote mount point while its mounted locally |
| 04:28.52 | codygman | What resources should I read to learn about backporting packages? |
| 04:29.07 | tonytraductor | nothing relevant to pcmanfm in /var/log/messages, nope (did sudo grep pcmanfm /var/log/messages, got nothing) |
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| 04:29.24 | levlaz | codygman: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=228570 this a great post about that topic |
| 04:30.01 | gnarface | Yoshi11: well, that's an oversimplification; there are filesystem options for most filesystems (all filesystems?) that allow you to override the permissions of the mount point at mount time in some ways but don't mess with that yet it will just confuse you |
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| 04:30.45 | codygman | thanks levlaz |
| 04:30.52 | katla | why is the debian beep so painful? |
| 04:31.01 | levlaz | codygman: you're welcome! Good luck :) |
| 04:31.08 | tonytraductor | katla: your speakers are too loud? |
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| 04:31.27 | codygman | levlaz: Thanks, I just want to get my head around everything so I can fix my problem and contribute after :D |
| 04:31.43 | gnarface | Yoshi11: i'm wandering off to get a snack. i might be back later; good luck |
| 04:31.54 | katla | which file should i put xset -b in to turn off beep every time I log in? |
| 04:31.59 | levlaz | codygman: i am in the same boat! solve my own problem and hope to contribute later. |
| 04:32.07 | levlaz | I just have too many problems :) |
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| 04:32.43 | codygman | katla: my beep won't work :( |
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| 04:33.47 | codygman | and alsamixer doesn't show a volume level for beep :/ |
| 04:34.40 | katla | xset can change the volume level |
| 04:35.23 | tonytraductor | I'll have to solve this later. Tomorrow. My bed is calling me (must be up in 5 hours). |
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| 04:36.23 | codygman | katla: xset b 100; beep does nothing |
| 04:37.06 | katla | xset wont play the beep sound |
| 04:37.21 | codygman | huh? no I did beep on it's own |
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| 04:48.25 | wombledom | hello |
| 04:48.33 | levlaz | Hello |
| 04:49.12 | wombledom | anyone know why things disappear from sid that were once there? like something made for x86 but there was a port for 64 bit, but now its gone |
| 04:49.27 | levlaz | Perhaps a careless update? |
| 04:49.47 | levlaz | ... you mean in the repos or in your system? |
| 04:50.14 | wombledom | in the repos |
| 04:50.45 | wombledom | like there was a 64bit version of zsnes, but now there's not |
| 04:50.52 | wombledom | and some other distros do have it |
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| 04:51.23 | gnarface | well, sometimes stuff does actually get removed |
| 04:51.58 | gnarface | its always a good idea to check to make sure you are using known-good repos though |
| 04:52.18 | gnarface | (during updates to the repos themselves, there may be hysterical behavior) |
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| 04:52.37 | gnarface | but there is a mirror status page here: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 04:52.58 | gnarface | wombledom: ^^^^^ |
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| 04:54.42 | levlaz | wombledom: I see that that package does not exist for amd64... you should still be able to use install the i386 one though (using 32bit libraries.. ) ia32-libs |
| 04:54.55 | levlaz | Or you could compile it yourself on your architecture. |
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| 04:56.10 | gnarface | judd versions zsnes |
| 04:56.11 | judd | Package: zsnes on i386 -- squeeze: 1.510-2.2+b1; wheezy: 1.510+bz2-5; jessie: 1.510+bz2-6; sid: 1.510+bz2-6 |
| 04:56.41 | gnarface | yep uh... no signs of an amd64 version anywhere |
| 04:56.55 | gnarface | wonders if wombledom actually pulled that in from ubuntu accidentally and didn't know |
| 04:58.17 | wombledom | im trying to compile it |
| 04:59.34 | gnarface | wombledom: if it fails to compile you probably found the reason its no longer there, but i assure you that a properly configured amd64 debian install should have no problem running most i386 packages (in some cases faster than they would run natively) |
| 04:59.39 | somiaj | levlaz: in wheezy there is full multiarch support an no longer a need for the cludgey ia32-libs |
| 04:59.50 | levlaz | somiaj: thanks for the tip! |
| 05:00.07 | somiaj | zsnes I thought had some hard coded i386 only assyembly in it, though maybe I'm thinking of snes9x |
| 05:00.19 | wombledom | it is zsnes |
| 05:00.27 | wombledom | it ran in archlinux though |
| 05:00.36 | wombledom | as x86_64 |
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| 05:00.40 | somiaj | if you are on wheezy, enable multiarch and then you can install i386 packages |
| 05:00.54 | somiaj | and it will run on amd64 install, just need multiarch |
| 05:00.58 | gnarface | i was pretty sure the ia32-libs packages are now metapackges that install multi-arch support but i could be wrong |
| 05:01.13 | wombledom | so how do you do multiarch |
| 05:01.22 | somiaj | gnarface: they don't install it, they just give you documentation on how to install it. |
| 05:01.27 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 05:01.28 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 05:02.02 | somiaj | really just do dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update -- that will enable it. AFter that just say apt-get install zsnes:i386 |
| 05:02.24 | wombledom | is it disabled simply for the 'purity' of architecture? |
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| 05:03.56 | somiaj | it can mix othe architectures as well. Pluss the installer needs to work for other arches so it is reasonable to not add forgin arches in the install |
| 05:03.57 | gnarface | wombledom: its disabled by default because in most cases the i386 packages get in your way if you're not gonna use them |
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| 05:04.48 | wombledom | ah ok |
| 05:04.53 | gnarface | wombledom: and some stuff is conspicuously still not multiarch-safe and so the i386 packages will actually replace amd64 packages you don't want them to replace |
| 05:04.55 | wombledom | i wonder how windows does it so easily |
| 05:05.01 | gnarface | it doesn't |
| 05:05.04 | gnarface | it simply doesn't at all |
| 05:05.28 | wombledom | windows runs i386 stuff on my 64 bit without configuring anything |
| 05:05.37 | gnarface | not the same |
| 05:05.40 | gnarface | comparing apples to ornages |
| 05:05.52 | gnarface | 64-bit windows is still all i386 userspace more or less |
| 05:05.56 | somiaj | most windows programs are static linked binaries making only the core needed to be multiarch. linked libaries require a bit more work to ensure you can have both amd64 and i386 live side by side which for the most part they do in debian |
| 05:05.57 | gnarface | its just a 64-bit kernel |
| 05:06.08 | somiaj | you just can't have amd64 and i386 binaries installed at the same time |
| 05:06.50 | wombledom | you could have 64 bit programs installed in /bin32 with a /li32 |
| 05:07.01 | gnarface | that was the old non-multiarch solution |
| 05:07.03 | wombledom | lib32 separate it all out |
| 05:07.09 | wombledom | oh |
| 05:07.19 | gnarface | basically what happened is that was the way debian was doing it, then ubuntu shamed us into changing it to something horrible |
| 05:07.37 | wombledom | why |
| 05:07.38 | gnarface | but in the long run this will be better when its relevant for any other pairing of architectures than amd64 and i386 |
| 05:07.43 | wombledom | oh |
| 05:07.50 | gnarface | 64-bit arm is coming soon |
| 05:07.52 | gnarface | in a big way |
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| 05:08.08 | wombledom | it'll replace our desktops? |
| 05:08.18 | wombledom | or is arm a mobile processor still |
| 05:08.28 | wombledom | for low power consumption |
| 05:08.41 | somiaj | for the most part it is only the libs you needed to have both versions and it was easier just to make all libs multiarch instead of having the ones people most likely need in one ugly package |
| 05:09.01 | gnarface | wombledom: what it will do is make mobile devices that are powerful enough to compete with desktops directly, and make it possible to reach never-before-seen density of clustered computing |
| 05:09.35 | wombledom | clustered? |
| 05:09.40 | gnarface | server farms |
| 05:09.44 | gnarface | cloud hosting |
| 05:09.44 | wombledom | oh |
| 05:10.17 | gnarface | actually a lot of stuff that seems too complicated in debian can be explained simply by the fact that its not ONLY for desktops |
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| 05:10.42 | wombledom | hmmm whats the real need for huge server farms |
| 05:10.47 | wombledom | facebook? |
| 05:11.01 | gnarface | mobile devices tend to be short on storage |
| 05:11.19 | gnarface | everyone is going to cloud backends |
| 05:11.27 | wombledom | even me? |
| 05:11.31 | wombledom | will it be mandatory? |
| 05:11.46 | gnarface | heh, eventually but i assure you i will fight to the death to prevent it :) |
| 05:11.57 | gnarface | or at least delay it as long as possible |
| 05:12.06 | wombledom | i like my stuff stored locally |
| 05:12.10 | somiaj | debian will strive to give a free os to use in many different ways. I doubt debians support will stop in favor of the cloud. |
| 05:12.12 | wombledom | not hand it off to someone else |
| 05:12.39 | gnarface | right |
| 05:12.44 | wombledom | umm i think storage devices will be outlawed in favor of cloud |
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| 05:13.03 | gnarface | well it depends on who your service provider is, but keep in mind nobody will stop you from owning your own cloud |
| 05:13.07 | wombledom | hard disks, tape drives, floppies, sdcards etc will be all destroyed |
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| 05:13.23 | wombledom | your bios will even load from the cloud |
| 05:13.37 | wombledom | your computer will be a dumb terminal |
| 05:13.49 | gnarface | i'm old enough to remember when things like harddrives and tape drives and hot storage were luxuries afforded only by the rich |
| 05:14.12 | gnarface | ironically if sun had not succumbed to windows in the businessplace, this would already have happened decades ago probably more securely, cheaper and more stably |
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| 05:14.50 | gnarface | now microsoft et. al are scrambling to try to revive the business strategy they mocked sun into oblivion for 20 years ago |
| 05:14.59 | gnarface | mostly they do it badly |
| 05:15.09 | gnarface | virtualization is a fucking boondogle |
| 05:15.15 | wombledom | windows 8 was crazy |
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| 05:15.37 | wombledom | turning desktops into a phone-like ui |
| 05:15.55 | gnarface | what is at stake here though is what the cloud infrastructures actually run |
| 05:16.05 | gnarface | and debian is positioning itself to be there at ground zero |
| 05:16.15 | gnarface | i think its smart |
| 05:16.22 | gnarface | would you rather vmware took over the internet? |
| 05:16.29 | wombledom | heh |
| 05:16.45 | gnarface | don't answer that |
| 05:16.53 | gnarface | trust me the answer is no, extrapolated over a long enough timeline |
| 05:17.28 | wombledom | i wonder when the internet is going to become such a tangled mess of broken links, millions of duplicates of the same news over a huge number of websites |
| 05:17.39 | gnarface | lol |
| 05:17.41 | gnarface | you missed it |
| 05:17.44 | gnarface | that happened in 2003 |
| 05:17.46 | katla | so i usualy use wlan0 for internet, but I can connect two computers together with ethernet and use eth0 to ssh across |
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| 05:18.05 | katla | but I have to do ifconfig eth0 <made up ip address> in a while loop, else the connection cuts out after a while |
| 05:18.18 | katla | any idea why it's cutting out and I need to do that in a loop? I really want to fix it |
| 05:18.24 | wombledom | some of these old websites have links that i'm like "Oh i gotta get that document" and i click on it and its gone |
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| 05:19.04 | somiaj | katla: are you running network manager? |
| 05:19.35 | katla | I'm not sure, I dont think so |
| 05:19.52 | somiaj | katla: how do you manage your wlan0 device? |
| 05:20.28 | katla | oh sorry that thing is network manager |
| 05:20.43 | katla | oh! |
| 05:20.50 | somiaj | it is probabaly conflicting and trying to control eth0 fighting with your manual config |
| 05:20.54 | katla | so I should try to set up eth0 with that, rather than command line! |
| 05:21.00 | katla | thanks a lot, ill give it a shot |
| 05:21.03 | somiaj | you can tell network manager to not manage eth0 if you want to do it manually |
| 05:21.10 | gnarface | katla: you definitely have to pick one or the other. network-manager does not play nice with other children. |
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| 05:21.31 | gnarface | katla: neither does whatever that thing is in kde either |
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| 05:21.51 | gnarface | just assumes its called knetwork-kmanager |
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| 05:22.47 | somiaj | gnarface: I think it is just network manager with another frontend |
| 05:24.16 | somiaj | I say down with network manager and just use the interfaces file. With aliases it works nice with wifi to |
| 05:25.31 | wombledom | hmm what tells the 32bit binary to look at the 32bit libraries rather than the 64 |
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| 05:26.31 | somiaj | the linker does that I belive |
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| 05:26.48 | wombledom | the linker? is that when it gets compiled? |
| 05:26.52 | wombledom | or is that ld |
| 05:26.54 | wombledom | ldconfig |
| 05:27.02 | gnarface | wombledom: nothing. the 32-bit binary needs 32-bit libraries, and the 64-bit binary needs 64-bit libraries. the point of multiarch is to allow the libraries to be installed in conjunction but conspicuously some simply *can't* be (-dev compilation libraries from the non-free nvidia drivers package very conspicuously) |
| 05:27.10 | reavengrey | ,v mysql-workbench |
| 05:27.12 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on i386 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 5.2.47+dfsg-3; sid: 6.0.7+dfsg1-1 |
| 05:27.12 | somiaj | wombledom: correct, ls /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 05:28.10 | gnarface | somiaj: before i come out and just say you're completely wrong about that, have you ever compiled 32-bit wine on an amd64 system that was using the official nvidia driver bundle gunk? |
| 05:28.25 | wombledom | so what prevents conflicts between 32 and 64 bit? |
| 05:28.28 | gnarface | somiaj: an amd64 *debian* system |
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| 05:28.47 | wombledom | wouldn't they collide with the running of ldconfig? |
| 05:28.54 | reavengrey | How do I find out all of the binaries that came with a particular package? |
| 05:28.56 | gnarface | somiaj: (within the last 3 years only) |
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| 05:29.26 | somiaj | I complie wine packages for years, now I compile them in a i386 chroot because you can't install multiple arch -dev libaries |
| 05:29.29 | gnarface | reavengrey: "dpkg -L [package name]" lists installed packages |
| 05:29.37 | gnarface | reavengrey: er, i mean installed package contents |
| 05:30.00 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks |
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| 05:30.39 | wombledom | like a 32bit library and a 64bit version installed and used with ldconfig, does it actually split them up? |
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| 05:31.30 | gnarface | somiaj: right, but you still need libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 for wine in the runtime environment AND libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 for stuff that isn't 32-bit (native stuff like ioquake3 and glxgears for example, and xscreensavers-gl) |
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| 05:32.03 | gnarface | somiaj: nothing about multiarch lets you run wine 32-bit without the 32-bit libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 05:32.18 | gnarface | somiaj: because you didn't know this, you're giving confusing misinformation to wombledom |
| 05:33.09 | gnarface | somiaj: if you don't have tlibgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 and your system IS an amd64 install, try running the amd64 glxgears see if it even starts. you may only think its not required because you never tested |
| 05:33.11 | somiaj | gnarface: yes you need the 32bit libs, he was asking how the 32bit knows to look for libs in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and the 64bit libs to look in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 05:33.31 | somiaj | I never said he did not need the correspoding libs for his arch installed. |
| 05:33.44 | gnarface | ok well i'm glad we got that cleared up |
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| 05:34.25 | gnarface | wombledom: it helps that there is a difference between runtime and compile-time requirements |
| 05:34.35 | wombledom | im just curious if theres something in the kernel that can tell the difference between a 32bit and 64bit binary, and loads the libraries accordingly |
| 05:35.02 | gnarface | *thought* that was all done in userspace, could be wrong |
| 05:35.07 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/LibraryPathOverview |
| 05:35.18 | somiaj | look under loading/running an excutable |
| 05:36.12 | codygman | Why am I getting this error? http://sprunge.us/JYiU |
| 05:36.32 | gnarface | codygman: you've been around long enough you should know better than to use something other than paste.debian.net |
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| 05:36.49 | gnarface | codygman: nobody is even gonna look at the paste tool you're plugging, whatever that is |
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| 05:37.15 | gnarface | codygman: (don't worry, paste.debian.net has no ads) |
| 05:37.19 | codygman | gnarface: plugging? lol. I just use it because it's easy to use from command line. looking at paste.debian.net to see if I can do the same. |
| 05:37.47 | gnarface | codygman: if you need to do it from the command-line you use the pastebinit package and reconfigure it to point to paste.debian.net instead of pasetbin |
| 05:37.57 | somiaj | codygman: look at the package nopaste, /msg dpkg nopaste |
| 05:38.08 | gnarface | or nopaste i guess |
| 05:38.30 | somiaj | yea either works |
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| 05:38.59 | codygman | somiaj: does nopaste support paste.debian.net? |
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| 05:39.43 | somiaj | I belive so, I know for sure pastebinit does too. I just forgot its name |
| 05:40.04 | somiaj | I haven't used either so no clue if one is nicer than the other. I've just seen them both mentioned in here |
| 05:40.05 | codygman | alright just going with pastebinit... give me a second and I'll post that error |
| 05:40.47 | gnarface | i thought there was a dpkg bot factlet specifically about how to reconfigure pastebinit to point to paste.debian.net but i don't remember what it was |
| 05:41.08 | codygman | Why am I getting this error (v2 w/ paste.debian.net :D): http://paste.debian.net/46700/ |
| 05:41.09 | gnarface | usually i just install gpm |
| 05:42.23 | gnarface | codygman: uh... kinda weird, it would help to know what you were trying to run but it kinda looks like you tried to install a package you gpg-signed yourself after ... deleting your gpg config directory? |
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| 05:42.46 | gnarface | something like that |
| 05:42.53 | gnarface | gonna pass on that one |
| 05:42.55 | gnarface | somiaj: ? |
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| 05:43.34 | codygman | gnarface: This is a new install and I actually don't know much about gpg (reading about it now). I'm following this tutorial: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 05:44.39 | gnarface | codygman: yea but it doesn't seem like you actually followed those instructions because that would have given you an unsigned package |
| 05:44.52 | gnarface | codygman: did you omit the step where it says to use fakeroot? |
| 05:45.26 | gnarface | codygman: or did you omit the "-us -uc" from the dpkg-buildpackage command? |
| 05:45.44 | codygman | gnarface: This happens simply after doing dget -x "url to mame" |
| 05:46.02 | codygman | or in the section labeled "Download the .dsc file from the sid release" |
| 05:46.41 | gnarface | codygman: ah. i see. did you omit the installation of "debian-keyring" ? |
| 05:46.58 | gnarface | codygman: (step 1) |
| 05:47.41 | codygman | gnarface: I have it: http://paste.debian.net/46704/ |
| 05:48.31 | gnarface | judd: versions debian-keyring |
| 05:48.32 | judd | Package: debian-keyring on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.12.29; wheezy: 2013.04.21; jessie: 2013.07.31; sid: 2013.07.31 |
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| 05:49.08 | codygman | so do I need to install the sid version of debian-keyring to use dget succesfully? |
| 05:49.10 | gnarface | codygman: you're on wheezy then? i got nothing. looks like your keyring is out of date but your version for wheezy is right so i dunno. |
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| 05:49.46 | gnarface | codygman: to be honest there is probably an apt-get flag to just ignore the validity of the signature but i'm not sure |
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| 05:50.32 | gnarface | codygman: it seems like your signature file is out of date yes, but maybe there is something wrong with the repo url you referred to the dget line |
| 05:51.02 | gnarface | codygman: these aren't the instructions i've ever followed though. maybe try (in this channel): /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:51.45 | codygman | gnarface: alright |
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| 05:52.13 | gnarface | codygman: (it describes how to do this from an already-checked source package instead of just the dsc file) |
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| 05:53.05 | gnarface | codygman: you may have to msg it with the stuff <between brackets> for all the info ... not sure if you are aware, just making sure |
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| 05:54.02 | codygman | gnarface: The error was because I had one failing check in my apt sources where I didn't add that repos gpg. |
| 05:54.27 | codygman | so if there are any errors in apt-get update it apparently errors? |
| 05:54.34 | gnarface | heh |
| 05:55.23 | gnarface | codygman: i think you're smart enough that you already know |
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| 05:56.07 | gnarface | codygman: this is linux; you aren't mean to ignore all errors |
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| 05:57.01 | gnarface | windows users are trained to ignore errors so damned fast that after all these years most windows users since 95 actually can click on an error so fast i can't read it before they close it |
| 05:57.06 | gnarface | and they don't even realize there was an error |
| 05:57.13 | gnarface | they've clicked on it and forgotten about it already |
| 05:57.24 | gnarface | because it was purposefully created to be utterly useless and unintelligible |
| 05:57.38 | gnarface | linux is not like that |
| 05:57.43 | gnarface | ALL the errors are relevant |
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| 05:58.04 | gnarface | they may not all be relevant to YOU at THIS MOMENT but you should ALWAYS check that for yourself before you just assume so |
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| 05:58.33 | gnarface | especially when following a step-by-step howto that doesn't say shit about any expected output containing the word "error" |
| 05:59.08 | codygman | gnarface: I haven't been using windows for 10 years. I liked having the warning of my emacs package being installed from non-debian sources. |
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| 06:00.07 | gnarface | well apt-get update is what refreshes the local cache of remote paths to repos that contain packages, so if there are errors when you run that, subsequent packages will not be installed that you probably need |
| 06:00.23 | codygman | Ah, didn't know that. |
| 06:01.15 | gnarface | even if you don't change your sources.list file there may be (*will* be) changes in the repos you point to |
| 06:01.45 | gnarface | its a good idea to run apt-get at least once, successfully, on any day when you are installing packages |
| 06:01.59 | gnarface | if you're on unstable, you may need to run apt-get update more often |
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| 06:03.01 | khurram | hi everyone |
| 06:03.14 | gnarface | codygman: if you are installing to a lot of computers concurrently, it may be beneficial to run a local apt proxy ( like apt-cacher-ng ) so that you can make sure they all get the same package list |
| 06:03.42 | khurram | how to allow ssh-copy-id to work on my server, i have collegue trying to add his id_rsa.pub key to my computer but he gets error |
| 06:03.56 | khurram | could there be some thing i need to configure to allow this operation on my debian 7 wheezy |
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| 06:04.50 | gnarface | khurram: he needs you to have added a valid username and password first.... ssh-copy-id just lets him drop in a replacement for the password |
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| 06:04.59 | Guest29856 | How can I convert a W95 FAT32 (LBA) USB filesystem into ext4? |
| 06:05.30 | khurram | gnarface: do you mean i have to create his user account on my debian first ? |
| 06:05.42 | gnarface | Guest29856: you absolutely can not. instead, copy the contents elsewhere, reformat, then copy back |
| 06:05.57 | Guest29856 | gnarface: I don't need the data. |
| 06:06.09 | Guest29856 | gnarface; I formatted the drive, it's a FAT32-system. |
| 06:06.15 | Guest29856 | I want to convert into ext4. |
| 06:06.42 | gnarface | Guest29856: oh that's not what you asked. if you just want to reformat ext4 (note, "convert" includes the connotation you wanted to retain data) just mkfs.ext4 [dev node] |
| 06:07.15 | Guest29856 | oh. |
| 06:07.20 | Guest29856 | what's the command for this? |
| 06:07.36 | Guest29856 | fdisk -l shows |
| 06:07.37 | Guest29856 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.37 | Guest29856 | /dev/sdd1 * 32 124614655 62307312 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 06:07.40 | Guest29856 | ^thats the usb |
| 06:07.46 | Guest29856 | I want to format it as USB. |
| 06:07.48 | gnarface | Guest29856: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdd1 |
| 06:07.54 | Guest29856 | sorry, I want to format it as ext4* |
| 06:07.56 | Guest29856 | alright |
| 06:08.00 | EdePopede | morning! 'debtags search web::server httpd' makes a lot of noise, where i see 2 problems: it seems not to be possible to use operators (web::server AND role::prgram or similar) –– and the tags seem to be running wild lacking a coordinated structure (and i know, debtag page says, organization isn't needed) |
| 06:08.05 | gnarface | Guest29856: be patient, it will be slow |
| 06:08.14 | Guest29856 | /dev/sdd1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! |
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| 06:08.25 | gnarface | Guest29856: the time it will take will be directly related to the size of the drive, and yes, it has to not be mounted |
| 06:08.50 | Guest29856 | how can I unmount /dev/sdd1? |
| 06:08.57 | gnarface | you ready for this? |
| 06:09.03 | Guest29856 | yep, I sure am! |
| 06:09.03 | gnarface | umount /dev/sdd1 |
| 06:09.22 | Guest29856 | alright its working now |
| 06:09.34 | Guest29856 | how much time will this take |
| 06:09.40 | Guest29856 | (note that my USB is 59.4GB) |
| 06:09.45 | SPF | gnarface: you are too kind |
| 06:09.45 | Guest29856 | and it was already formatted |
| 06:10.01 | gnarface | Guest29856: it will take longer than you want it to take. go get dinner or whatever |
| 06:10.13 | EdePopede | so, are there alternatives for debtags, something like find or sql? |
| 06:10.37 | gnarface | Guest29856: it won't matter one bit that it was already formatted. if its slow flash instead of an actual harddrive in a usb enclosure, it will be even slower) |
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| 06:11.01 | Guest29856 | oh gnarface, it's done |
| 06:11.02 | Guest29856 | lol |
| 06:11.06 | Guest29856 | it took like 5 seconds, gnarface |
| 06:11.16 | gnarface | Guest29856: i guess it wasn't cheap flash then! lucky you |
| 06:11.19 | Guest29856 | but fdisk -l still shows |
| 06:11.20 | Guest29856 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.21 | Guest29856 | /dev/sdd1 * 32 124614655 62307312 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
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| 06:12.01 | EdePopede | there's nearly no logic in the use of tags http://paste.debian.net/46706/ |
| 06:12.03 | gnarface | Guest29856: oh, partition types are set in using fdisk, that's separate. you actually have to change it using fdisk first, i assumed you knew that |
| 06:12.12 | Guest29856 | I did not, gnarface. |
| 06:12.14 | Guest29856 | :s |
| 06:12.26 | gnarface | sorry |
| 06:12.34 | Guest29856 | how can I change this? |
| 06:12.46 | Guest29856 | gparted shows the filesystem is ext4 though. |
| 06:12.59 | gnarface | fdisk should be pretty explanatory |
| 06:13.03 | Guest29856 | but fdisk -l shows its W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 06:13.06 | gnarface | i thought gparted would do it |
| 06:13.13 | gnarface | but i can't recall how for either |
| 06:13.23 | Guest29856 | so fdisk -l will always say its W95 FAT32 (LBA)? |
| 06:13.24 | gnarface | fdisk menus something like maybe x -> t -> 82 |
| 06:13.25 | gnarface | i dunno |
| 06:13.30 | gnarface | no no |
| 06:13.33 | gnarface | fdisk [dev node] |
| 06:13.40 | gnarface | then it will give you a menu interface |
| 06:13.51 | gnarface | fdisk /dev/sdd |
| 06:14.04 | Guest29856 | the USB is at /dev/sdd1 |
| 06:14.08 | gnarface | SPF: i know |
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| 06:14.36 | Guest29856 | I did "fdisk /dev/sdd1" and it shows me |
| 06:14.36 | Guest29856 | Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel |
| 06:14.37 | Guest29856 | Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xdc10d839. |
| 06:14.37 | Guest29856 | Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. |
| 06:14.37 | Guest29856 | After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable. |
| 06:14.37 | Guest29856 | Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) |
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| 06:14.42 | Guest29856 | what the. |
| 06:14.47 | gnarface | Guest29856: you're *probably* mistaken unless you are using some sort of card reader; the usb should be /dev/sdd and /dev/sdd1 is just the partition |
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| 06:15.11 | gnarface | Guest29856: don't paste more than 3 lines, the bot will kick, you. use paste.debian.net instead. |
| 06:15.31 | gnarface | Guest29856: this is a high-traffic channel so they have to be strict about usage policies so that everyone can participate |
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| 06:16.23 | gnarface | i feel like i've told so many people all of this this that the bot should be able to just help them itself without prompting |
| 06:16.42 | Guest29856 | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/46707/ |
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| 06:17.01 | Guest29856 | gnarface, I replugged in my USB, yes, it does show sdd. |
| 06:17.04 | Guest29856 | see http://paste.debian.net/46707/ |
| 06:17.17 | Guest29856 | alright, so I have to run fdisk /dev/sdd so that fdisk can say it's ext4? |
| 06:17.23 | gnarface | Guest29856: i saw it. i'm still pretty sure your USB is /dev/sdd |
| 06:17.43 | Guest29856 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.43 | Guest29856 | /dev/sdd1 * 32 124614655 62307312 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 06:17.46 | gnarface | Guest29856: you need to run that, then read the onscreen instructions, follow the menus to partition types |
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| 06:18.53 | gnarface | Guest29856: run interactively like that, fdisk should be pretty self-explanatory |
| 06:19.11 | Guest29856 | after I ran, mkfs.ext4, there is a "lost+found" directory in the mounted USB system. |
| 06:19.15 | Guest29856 | it says "permission denied" |
| 06:19.18 | wombledom | http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=486875_-_Buzz_Lightyear_Toy_Story_featured_image_woody.jpg |
| 06:19.32 | gnarface | Guest29856: the lost+found directory is expected |
| 06:19.36 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] I had my laptop last night in a Linux user club and mingled with NetworkManager. Today this laptop at home shows '~$ sudo route' correctly, although slowly. But it cannot resolve DNS addresses. What DNS setting should I check first? |
| 06:19.49 | Guest29856 | usb-creator-gtk isn't detecting my USB anymore? |
| 06:19.58 | Guest29856 | I usually format my USBs with usb-creator-gtk. |
| 06:20.04 | Guest29856 | but now, my USB isn't showing up. |
| 06:20.05 | gnarface | i've never heard of it |
| 06:20.11 | Guest29856 | "startup disk creator" |
| 06:20.23 | gnarface | Guest29856: why can't you follow simple instructions |
| 06:20.27 | gnarface | Guest29856: ? |
| 06:20.32 | Guest29856 | what the hell, the USB is mounted as readonly |
| 06:20.44 | gnarface | it should not be mounted while you're doing this!!!!!! |
| 06:20.50 | gnarface | readonly or otherwise |
| 06:20.56 | gnarface | SPF: you're right, i'm too kind |
| 06:21.01 | gnarface | waaay too kind |
| 06:21.11 | Guest29856 | I am not doing the fdisk thing yet. |
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| 06:21.29 | Guest29856 | when I plug it in, it gets mounted at /media/91af0661-79a9-4c75-a316-09e8ee469ed0 |
| 06:22.54 | Guest29856 | ah, I did mkfs.ext4 as root. |
| 06:23.22 | Guest29856 | I ran "sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdd1" |
| 06:23.34 | Guest29856 | I am running the command again, without sudo. |
| 06:23.36 | gnarface | types a 5 line rant at Guest29856, thinks of abrotman, then thinks better of it, deletes it and just pulls the eject cord |
| 06:23.48 | gnarface | seeeya suckers!!! |
| 06:23.51 | Guest29856 | lol. |
| 06:23.54 | gnarface | goes to get wasetd |
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| 06:24.48 | EdePopede | that's not all it seems: https://wiki.debian.org/WebServers |
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| 06:25.39 | Guest29856 | I can only access my mkfs.ext4 formatted USB as root. |
| 06:25.41 | Guest29856 | :/ |
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| 06:25.51 | Guest29856 | when I access it as root, it's rewrite..etc |
| 06:25.55 | Guest29856 | but when I run it as normal user. |
| 06:26.03 | Guest29856 | it's readonly. |
| 06:26.27 | gnarface | Guest29856: (that is expected behavior, learn 2 linux) |
| 06:26.40 | Guest29856 | :3 |
| 06:27.32 | gnarface | !chmod |
| 06:27.33 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <permissions>. |
| 06:28.18 | Guest29856 | yea gnarface, that worked... |
| 06:28.28 | Guest29856 | but I have one last question. |
| 06:28.39 | gnarface | well i hope you find an answer for it :) |
| 06:28.53 | hfp | Hi guys! I'm a bit confused: I am setting up a FreeSWITCH server and would like to do this in the best possible way. The developers for FS recommend CentOS 5 or Debian 6 to avoid any issues. I would go with Debian 6 because I am used to Debian but the fact that Debian 6 is very hard to find on debian.org as opposed to Debian 7.1 makes me wonder if it is wise to use an older version when a newer one is out. What is #debian advice on that mat |
| 06:29.10 | Guest29856 | whenever I insert the USB into my computer, it gets mounted at /media/c011b1aa-0414-45de-b216-a8239bdc29e5, I want to change c011b1aa-0414-45de-b216-a8239bdc29e5 to "nanodrive" |
| 06:29.24 | Guest29856 | how can I do it, do you know how, almighty gnarface? |
| 06:29.28 | codygman | I'm trying to backport nvidia-driver 304.108 to wheezy, but I keep doing things very wrong. Has anyone done this? |
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| 06:30.56 | gnarface | Guest29856: its moutned by UUID probably. you need to learn to assign the partition a label to mount by a label like 'nanodrive' but you'd already have been able to guess that that if you'd read the fdisk menu options |
| 06:31.20 | gnarface | Guest29856: or maybe the mkfs.ext4 options, i'm too drunk now to remember |
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| 06:32.05 | gnarface | Guest29856: gparted may actually be a much easier way to do all this, i don't know it very well either though, sorry |
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| 06:35.19 | EdePopede | fstab |
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| 06:39.19 | EdePopede | Debian ist mehr als nur ein Betriebssystem: Es enthält mehr als 37500 Softwarepakete <<< so i have to go through 37500 packages manually to get a simple list of available webservers? |
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| 06:41.10 | gnarface | !debian-de |
| 06:41.15 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 06:42.02 | gnarface | could have sworn there was a german version of #d |
| 06:42.12 | EdePopede | there is one. why? |
| 06:42.18 | EdePopede | you want only engish natives here? |
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| 06:42.24 | EdePopede | +l |
| 06:42.40 | gnarface | EdePopede: its not a racist thing its just that most people here can't read half your question so its just noise |
| 06:43.04 | EdePopede | not my fault, debian.org gives me automatically its german version |
| 06:43.15 | EdePopede | "intelligent code", lol |
| 06:43.15 | Woet | !de |
| 06:43.16 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 06:44.04 | gnarface | EdePopede: i'm already sure the second half of your question is based on a logical fallacy so... who's dumb? |
| 06:44.17 | EdePopede | i have to manually select http://www.debian.org/index.en.html and still after going back to / i am at the german version (hint: cookie prefs) |
| 06:44.23 | codygman | So is everyone that is using newer graphics drivers (nvida 310+) in wheezy just installing from nvidias driver? I can't find any guides on doing it the right way and I'm struggling to figure out how to backport nvidia-driver as it's a transitional package that doesn't exist in wheezy |
| 06:44.43 | Woet | EdePopede: sounds like you use a german website? |
| 06:44.46 | Woet | err, german browser |
| 06:44.50 | EdePopede | sure. and? |
| 06:45.03 | Woet | it uses the language of your browser to determine the language of the website |
| 06:45.07 | EdePopede | do i have to nmanipulate my browser to get a usable version of a webpage? |
| 06:45.22 | gnarface | EdePopede: well you have to at least know how to clear your cookies probably |
| 06:45.22 | EdePopede | it should use preference cookies. really |
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| 06:46.15 | Woet | EdePopede: anyways, to answer your question - http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 06:46.35 | EdePopede | gnarface: not 'clear'. if i select "english" on the bottom of the page i express that i would prefer the english version |
| 06:46.41 | gnarface | codygman: nvidia is a real big problem. i think only last week they just realized how big of asses they have made themselves to the linux community and it will take a few months minimum for them to show signs of improving |
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| 06:47.05 | gnarface | codygman: most people on debian just don't go to the 310.xx+ nvidia drivers |
| 06:47.36 | gnarface | codygman: (unless they're running unstable for a steam gaming rig or something, but i recently went back to 304.xx for stability issues) |
| 06:47.36 | EdePopede | woet: so why does .deb has those tags i see on the last line of package ifo output? |
| 06:47.50 | EdePopede | * info ... narf.. too early |
| 06:47.58 | Woet | EdePopede: how do you mean? |
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| 06:48.34 | EdePopede | Woet: i CAN search for web::server. only it gives me everything that has this tag. including docs and modules and and and... |
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| 06:48.51 | Woet | EdePopede: okay, so? |
| 06:49.10 | Woet | EdePopede: i gave you the link to package categories, click "web servers" and get a list of all web servers |
| 06:49.13 | Woet | that's what you were asking for. |
| 06:49.17 | EdePopede | and it doesn't seem that the servers themselves all have the role::app tag or what it was.. andif, i can't use AND as in sql? |
| 06:49.26 | Woet | http://packages.debian.org/stable/httpd/ |
| 06:50.26 | codygman | gnarface: Apparently some have had success by downgrading from 304.xx drivers to the ones in squeeze backports. Is that safe to do? or would I have to backport from there? I thought I had backported the newer one in sid (not sure if it fixes my problems but figured I'd try) but ran into all kinds of dependencies I wasn't able to solve. |
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| 06:51.01 | gnarface | codygman: i think you're looking at old data. squeeze is no longer stable, wheezy is now stable. |
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| 06:51.36 | codygman | gnarface: No, they downgraded to squeeze-backports version of the nvidia driver from their wheezy install. |
| 06:51.49 | gnarface | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 06:51.50 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-4; experimental/non-free: 325.15-3 |
| 06:51.53 | codygman | because 304 caused texture issues |
| 06:52.01 | wombledom | damn i soiled myself |
| 06:52.05 | gnarface | codygman: its all 304.xx unless you're experimental |
| 06:52.07 | codygman | 304 is also causing texture issues for me too |
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| 06:52.58 | gnarface | codygman: runing wow through wine i take it? that's a whole other ball of wax. can't keep that secret and expect good help |
| 06:52.59 | hfp | EdePopede: Don't be rude, people on this channel do not have an obligation to help you. If you're not nice, you're not going to get much help. |
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| 06:53.19 | EdePopede | hfp: asking questions is rude? |
| 06:54.03 | codygman | gnarface: It would be nice to build 3.10 in a debianized way. I suppose I can do that once I figure out how to make packages better? lol |
| 06:54.04 | hfp | EdePopede: No, but the entitled way you used is. |
| 06:54.36 | gnarface | codygman: you can't do shit with the nvidia packages they don't want you to do. like i said; just last WEEK they realized their heads have been up their asses this whole time. give it a while |
| 06:54.37 | codygman | gnarface: No, just running tf2 natively with steam. |
| 06:54.50 | codygman | gnarface: Yeah, I saw the news about it |
| 06:54.56 | gnarface | codygman: you shouldn't have problems with 304.xx, i'm doing that and its fine. |
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| 06:55.42 | gnarface | codygman: if you go for ones from their site though i had the best luck with the 319.xx drivers that were in experimental right before they put the current 325.xx drivers in (don't touch 325.xx its broken everywhere, on every platform) |
| 06:56.26 | codygman | gnarface: I don't want to wait and don't want to switch away from debian though and don't like double booting. I do have problems though: http://i.imgur.com/4wxJKVn.png |
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| 06:56.46 | codygman | suppose I would have stayed with testing but there are 3.10 and nvidia problems :S |
| 06:57.00 | gnarface | codygman: the only missing features i've had in 304.xx weren't with tf2, they were with wow in wine, and they were specifically only missing sunshafts and ssao |
| 06:57.19 | codygman | gnarface: Really, any guesses to what caused my errors above? |
| 06:57.21 | EdePopede | hfp: i have old untrained school english, not business english from berlitz school or similar. and if i may be too direct for your taste, i have learned to ask what i want to know, to say what i think and to criticize what i don't like. or what i think is wrong or could be better. |
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| 06:57.59 | gnarface | codygman: by "errors" you mean that screenshot you showed me? doesn't look like anything is wrong with it at all other than the gamma is way too low |
| 06:58.21 | codygman | gnarface: Why would the gamma be way too low? How would I change that? |
| 06:58.24 | gnarface | codygman: perhaps try going through the video configuration options before assuming the driver is broken? |
| 06:58.31 | hfp | EdePopede: Fair enough, good luck with your issue. |
| 06:58.42 | codygman | gnarface: no color/gamma/temperature options were available |
| 06:58.43 | gnarface | codygman: (the tf2 video game options i mean) |
| 06:58.48 | gnarface | codygman: that's not true |
| 06:58.53 | gnarface | codygman: they are there |
| 06:59.19 | codygman | "brightness" for one is greyed out... and really? there are color options? Guess I'll see, almost done with this reinstall of stable I'm on |
| 06:59.40 | gnarface | codygman: well, the brightness one should not be greyed out...that's ... a problem i can't diagnose because i've not seen it. i assume user erorr |
| 07:00.24 | codygman | gnarface: of course that should be remedied by deleting any tf2 specific config files right? |
| 07:00.28 | gnarface | codygman: also, install nvidia-settings from the matching driver version for your nvidia driver (it WILL have color, brightness AND gama amongst other useful things, but tf2 will still override brightness/gamma with its own in-game settings) |
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| 07:00.59 | gnarface | codygman: uh... i gotta be honest i'm not sure you got all the required steam librarie |
| 07:01.02 | gnarface | libraries* |
| 07:01.32 | gnarface | codygman: i mean, you can't actually see any *missing* textures, right? its just too dark... |
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| 07:02.18 | codygman | gnarface: Perhaps that is true. I used the install script here: https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy Did you install steam on wheezy differently? |
| 07:03.18 | gnarface | without even looking at it... yes and no |
| 07:03.32 | gnarface | yes, i installed steam differently, no i didn't install it on wheezy |
| 07:03.39 | EdePopede | hmm.. the pages in packages.debian.org are generated automatically? if so, there should be the same problems i also have here |
| 07:03.48 | Tordek | hi, I'm getting plenty of these on boot: "[ 15.185940] udevd[1740]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory", but google doesn't turn up anything of use; any ideas of what could be causing this? |
| 07:04.08 | codygman | gnarface: You installed it on testing I'm guessing? |
| 07:04.37 | gnarface | codygman: no, unstable because that was most similar to the "supported" ubuntu version at the time |
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| 07:05.31 | gnarface | testing and wheezy may both be viable now but i don't know for sure... wine 1.6 did compile for me on wheezy and work well enough to run starcraft 2, but i was surprised when it did |
| 07:06.09 | gnarface | its entirely possible steam linux is the only thing that has a more fragile dependencies than wine though |
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| 07:07.52 | EdePopede | since you don't seem to like germans, i am out of here. bye debian |
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| 07:10.31 | gnarface | high! i'm gonna babble at you in a foreign language and then take it personally when directed to a forum where people can comprehend my questions! |
| 07:10.44 | gnarface | germany rulez foreva!!!! |
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| 07:12.21 | codygman | I find it ironic that someone named Streusel quit |
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| 07:13.50 | codygman | gnarface: what kernel are you running? |
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| 07:14.26 | gnarface | codygman: 3.10-3-amd64 |
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| 07:28.18 | visun | hi there |
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| 07:28.47 | visun | guys do you know how can I give root permission to a binary just to execute a specific command? |
| 07:29.14 | tralala | visun, with sudo |
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| 07:29.30 | visun | or in other terms, how can I allow the execution of a binary file by another specific binary |
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| 07:29.55 | visun | tralala: I m calling this binary inside a c++ program |
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| 07:30.30 | visun | and I don't want to change all the permissions, just for that file |
| 07:30.39 | tralala | visun, so you want this program to be able to execute the binary as root, but not the user running the program? |
| 07:30.41 | visun | (without using the setuid) |
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| 07:30.54 | visun | uhm |
| 07:31.04 | colo-work | http://packages.debian.org/sid/mpv - oh, exciting |
| 07:31.09 | visun | yes it should work with all the users |
| 07:32.50 | tralala | visun, you could have this program run as a special user with setuid and then configure sudo to allow this special user to execute the other program |
| 07:33.08 | visun | uhm |
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| 07:33.41 | visun | yep maybe that it would work |
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| 07:34.26 | visun | otherwise when modifying the sudo file it will work for just a specific user right? |
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| 07:37.41 | tralala | or group |
| 07:38.42 | tralala | but if you're concerned that your users may abuse this privilege, then you have to give it to the program only |
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| 07:40.20 | visun | uhm ok |
| 07:40.27 | visun | tralala: thank you :) |
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| 07:42.54 | tralala | visun, you're welcome :-) |
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| 08:05.38 | local | hello all. I have bash script which I want all its output (standard+error) to be also logged into a file. I want that it is shown also at the screen, but also logged. I don't want to add to hundred of lines something like >>$mylogfile 2>&1 I googled and found the command "exec". |
| 08:06.21 | local | But when I use exec >>$mylogfile 2>&1 then everything will be redirected to this file and no screen output is generated. How can I achieve to have both? |
| 08:06.40 | local | can I work something like exec + tee together? |
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| 08:13.05 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:13.58 | gypsymauro | I've installed wine and now when I try to open a file from my desktop (gnome) it tries to open with wine programs, for example images with IE, text files with notepad.. how can I turn off this behaviour? |
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| 08:19.44 | gnarface | gypsymauro: *that* is.... hilarious. i'm sorry i have no helpful advice for you but thank you for sharing. please don't mistake me for anyone officially affiliated with Debian, but I am laughing at your misfortune now. |
| 08:19.48 | gnarface | lol gnome |
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| 08:20.09 | gnarface | leaves before he makes everything much worse |
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| 08:21.34 | gnarface | gypsymauro: oh sorry, i actually do have one bit of advice that has a very slight chance to be helpful; try checking the irc support channel for gnome |
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| 08:22.19 | gnarface | really, really going now |
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| 08:23.04 | maxyz | gypsymauro: I think gnome uses xdg-open to get the applications associations |
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| 08:24.03 | maxyz | gypsymauro: So, that would be in ~/.local/share/applications/ |
| 08:25.02 | maxyz | It should be quite simple to change the associations via nemo, afaik |
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| 08:28.16 | local | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:36.15 | maxyz | local: try with exec &> $mylogfile |
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| 08:37.39 | maxyz | Or put the script in a shell function and call the function with | tee $mylogfile |
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| 08:38.04 | local | maxyz: doesnt output onto screen :( |
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| 08:38.22 | maxyz | Or use the command "script" |
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| 09:00.21 | ghking | hello everyone. I have encountered an problem, when i install wheezy from an fat32 filesystem in my harddisk |
| 09:01.41 | SirLagz | ghking: how are you installing wheezy from a fat32 partition ? |
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| 09:03.19 | ghking | i put vmlinuz, initrd.gz and debian.iso in the root directory in the fat32 filesystem. |
| 09:03.43 | ghking | then i get into grub2's command |
| 09:03.49 | SirLagz | ghking: what are you using to load the bootloader ? |
| 09:04.09 | ghking | grub2 |
| 09:04.21 | SirLagz | ok |
| 09:04.29 | SirLagz | is the debian.iso file just the normal iso file that you downloaded ? |
| 09:04.45 | ghking | yes from debian.org |
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| 09:06.41 | ghking | i have boot into debian, and i have choosed language and keyboard.but then it note"the cd-rom drive contains a cd which cannot be used for installation please inseart a suitable cd to continue with the installation" |
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| 09:09.24 | ghking | i have try so much method from google, but noting works |
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| 09:49.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm looking to report dpkg-source's default behavior of merely warning about checking signatures. I'm pretty sure it should have the 'security' tag but not so sure about the severity. |
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| 09:50.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does dpkg-source execute code in source packages? |
| 09:51.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | If so, considering you can use 3rd party mirrors, that sort of amounts to grave/critical IMO, but I don't want to go overboard. |
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| 09:53.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | "introduces a security hole allowing access to the accounts of users who _use_ the package --> grave" |
| 09:53.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess that's reasonable then. |
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| 09:54.30 | trewas | how do you get from not enforcing valid signatures when unpacking .debs to that? also it has an option for that |
| 09:55.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | trewas: apt-get source downloads the deb and calls dpkg-source on it. |
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| 09:55.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | trewas: it's a terrible default anyway |
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| 09:57.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess you could blame apt-get but the mere fact that is a long option not enabled by default is the issue IMO. |
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| 09:58.35 | koollman | Eduard_Munteanu: 'wish'. because you wish it was not a mere warning by default, but it breaks nothing else. |
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| 10:00.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | koollman: huh? My hunch is this even results in execution of arbitrary code in the source package. |
| 10:00.23 | Anticom | hi all |
| 10:00.28 | Anticom | i'm quite newbie to *nix |
| 10:00.36 | Anticom | i'm running on debian |
| 10:00.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Anticom: hi |
| 10:00.45 | Anticom | how do i find out, wether a program is installed or not? |
| 10:00.53 | Anticom | i want to use that cmd in a php script using exec |
| 10:01.09 | Anticom | so it should have the program name as param and return 0 / 1 (?! i guess) |
| 10:01.19 | koollman | Eduard_Munteanu: wel,l you asked how to tag the bug report. if you already know what you want to use, to so. |
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| 10:01.27 | koollman | *do so |
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| 10:02.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | koollman: I wasn't sure what severity to pick from 'important' above, now you're telling me I should use 'wishlist' for what seems to be a security issue. |
| 10:02.59 | koollman | Eduard_Munteanu: correct. |
| 10:04.00 | Anticom | no one able to help? |
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| 10:05.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | If that's the case, as with the issue on checking downloads I reported (which got downgraded to wishlist as well), then I think Debian isn't for me. |
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| 10:06.29 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: you're not gonna find any other distro that magically lets you safely compile code from 3rd party repos as root without introducing the potential for huge security issues. perhaps computers aren't for you? |
| 10:07.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: 3rd party repos? It's a source package signed by Debian. |
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| 10:07.30 | gnarface | <Eduard_Munteanu> If so, considering you can use 3rd party mirrors, that sort of amounts to grave/critical IMO, but I don't want to go overboard. |
| 10:08.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: yes, I meant you can download it from Debian mirrors, which aren't under the control of Debian. |
| 10:08.16 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: there are pre-defined meanings for the bug levels. grave/critical is for actual breakage |
| 10:08.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: or security holes, according to http://release.debian.org/testing/rc_policy.txt |
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| 10:09.08 | koollman | Eduard_Munteanu: which it isn't either. It's a less than secure default. not a security hole, unless you have an exploit for it |
| 10:09.57 | gnarface | isn't that for the binary packages anyway? i thought when building your own packages all bets were off... |
| 10:10.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's trivial to exploit, just add a rogue package on one of those mirrors. |
| 10:10.34 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: ...not just anyone can add a package to the mirrors |
| 10:10.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: yes, I'm talking about a security issue in dpkg-dev |
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| 10:11.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: sure, but does Debian vouch for those mirrors? They're random 3rd parties offering that service AFAIK. |
| 10:11.38 | koollman | Eduard_Munteanu: you asked. you can set any severity you want, too, just know that it may be re-evaluated and change later |
| 10:12.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok. I was certainly not expecting this answer, perhaps that's why I'm baffled. |
| 10:12.15 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: there ARE random 3rd party mirrors but if you use them you use them at your own risk. they are not supported; that's a security flaw in your configuration, not the package. |
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| 10:12.55 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: these are the real mirrors http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 10:13.43 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: if its not on that list and someone is claiming their mirror is legit, chances are they are lying. |
| 10:13.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm. |
| 10:14.12 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: (and if you installed packages or compiled packages from there, ... uh... well you might have been backdoored) |
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| 10:14.41 | koollman | Eduard_Munteanu: I understand why you are. I understand why you feel it's important. I told you now, so that you will be less surprised when someone changes severity on your bug later |
| 10:14.44 | gnarface | a ring of trust is a fragile thing |
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| 10:16.11 | kidddd | Anyone here have input on my problem? :o https://drupal.org/node/2097645 |
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| 10:17.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: nah, it's ftp.us.debian.org in my particular case. I thought package signing was supposed to let people use mirrors without trusting them, or their ISPs. |
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| 10:17.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | And I think it's fair to assume a similar behavior for 'apt-get source'. |
| 10:18.14 | gnarface | well, i recommend you never compile ANYTHING as root ever |
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| 10:18.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: if you're saying most software has a broken chain of trust somewhere, I agree. |
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| 10:19.27 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: i'm saying that "make" and "gcc" are implicitly dangerous |
| 10:19.53 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: additionally, i'm saying that if you use 3rd party repos, you broke the chain of trust yourself |
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| 10:20.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, sure. But it's one thing to trust developers and another to also have to trust a mirror and your ISP and whatever else is between you and your package. |
| 10:20.24 | gnarface | Eduard_Munteanu: and while we're being paranoid, you should not trust 3rd party dns servers either, honestly. run that shit local for max security |
| 10:21.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell Eduard_Munteanu -about secure apt |
| 10:21.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | gnarface: DNSSEC sort of fixes that, so if you're using Google's... |
| 10:21.25 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: You have to trust *something* at one point though. |
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| 10:22.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: I know, I did have keys for wheezy but I wanted to compile a jessie package, and I didn't have the dev keyring installed. |
| 10:23.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's a rather reasonable precaution to just error out, and provide an option to force going through if you don't care. |
| 10:23.40 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: APT's security is based on package checksums and signed Release files that contain those checksums. |
| 10:24.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, I'm aware of that bit. |
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| 10:24.42 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't quite understand what the problem was during compilation of a jessie package though. You, naturally, cannot sign a package with the key of the original maintainer/uploader. |
| 10:24.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Eduard_Munteanu -about ssb |
| 10:25.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: the problem is 'apt-get source foo' realizes it can't check the package's sig, but continues to unpack it and patch stuff and possibly execute code from it. |
| 10:25.58 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: The bot sent you instructions on how to backport packages from jessie/sid "easily"; If you are building the package yourself you should make sure to pass the "-uc -us" options to dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 10:26.38 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Ah, alright. You would prefer if it asked you if it should go ahead? |
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| 10:27.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: yes. Actually it should just exit with an error and suggest you install the dev keyring and try again. |
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| 10:28.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | It'd make users aware of the steps they're trying to skip. |
| 10:28.16 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Mind pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net ? (just want to check something) |
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| 10:29.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: sorry, I really don't want to run that again. I can tell you I did 'apt-get source puppet/jessie', it said it was missing the key and couldn't check the signature, then dpkg-source continued to unpack it and patch stuff. |
| 10:30.05 | babilen | which key? |
| 10:30.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: I think it's some key from the dev keyring package, which isn't installed by default. I've had that happening before and installing it fixed it. |
| 10:31.07 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: fwiw, I typically use "debcheckout" from the devscripts package whenever I want to get hold of the package's source. It will checkout/clone the VCS and only fallback to essentially "apt-get source" if no Vcs-* header are present (i.e. the package is not maintained in Git, SVN, bzr, ..) |
| 10:31.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | I only realized what it was doing the second time. |
| 10:31.57 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Okay, can't go ahead without further information. Feel free to file a *detailed* wishlist bug, but I cannot tell you if its valid right now. |
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| 10:33.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: maybe I can figure out the key ID from the signature of the package, without involving apt |
| 10:33.48 | wrast | supposing i wanted to list everything in my configured wheezy-backports repo, how would i do that? i've tried aptitude search '~O wheezy-backports' to no success |
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| 10:36.25 | alechk0 | hey guys, could anyone tell me why my Radeon card detects only 256MB ram, while there's 1GB on it? |
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| 10:36.51 | alechk0 | I'm with 64bit wheezy |
| 10:37.34 | alechk0 | and lscpi gives me: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Turks [Radeon HD 6570] ... |
| 10:37.35 | alechk0 | ...Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] ... |
| 10:37.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: gpg --verify puppet_3.3.0-1.dsc says it's signed by 0x40E354D9FA26E2EE |
| 10:38.02 | babilen | alechk0: First and foremost: Do you have libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree installed? "dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree" could be pasted to http://paste.debian.net -- How do you check? Why do you think that it doesn't use the entirety of the available memory? |
| 10:38.10 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Thanks |
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| 10:39.09 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: I would suggest to file a wishlist bug against apt as I understand your concern and think that you have a point there. |
| 10:39.20 | alechk0 | babilen: yep, newest versions |
| 10:39.24 | wrast | grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages works...though i would like to know the aptitude way :| |
| 10:39.41 | alechk0 | firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 10:39.41 | alechk0 | libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 10:40.00 | babilen | thanks, and you rebooted after installing that? |
| 10:40.09 | alechk0 | yea, sure |
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| 10:40.24 | alechk0 | it's not a fresh installation |
| 10:40.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: I see. Isn't dpkg-dev more appropriate though? It seems to be dpkg-source's fault because of that --require-valid-signature thing being an option. |
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| 10:43.42 | babilen | alechk0: This is output from "lspci -v" isn't it? It seems to be a lspci bug that has been files a bazillion times. Mind pasting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:43.59 | alechk0 | I've checked with lshw also |
| 10:44.22 | babilen | judd: bug #595328 |
| 10:44.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/595328 in pciutils (open): «/usr/bin/lspci: lspci reports wrong video ram size»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-09-03; last modified: 2010-09-03. |
| 10:44.26 | babilen | (for example) |
| 10:44.35 | babilen | alechk0: Please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:46.17 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: It should be handled in apt as that is the the interface that interacts with the user.. It doesn't really matter *that* much as a bug can be easily reassigned to other packages (and probably will if it is should be rather fixed somewhere else) |
| 10:46.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, alright. |
| 10:47.35 | alechk0 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/46751/ |
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| 10:54.37 | wrast | wow...salt feels so much faster than puppet |
| 10:56.34 | babilen | alechk0: Unfortunately that driver doesn't have a nice "Memory: 1024MB" line in there, but this is a well known problem and IMHO nothing to worry about. Googled for a minute and couldn't find a better command to list this information easily, but the #radeon channel might know. |
| 10:57.38 | alechk0 | yea, me too :D |
| 10:57.58 | alechk0 | and checked "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep memory" before |
| 10:58.10 | alechk0 | no line... |
| 10:58.15 | alechk0 | ok, thanx |
| 10:58.20 | alechk0 | I'll try with radeon |
| 10:58.26 | babilen | alechk0: Try "dmesg|grep drm" -- maybe something in there. I don't have a radeon card so I can't try locally. |
| 10:58.57 | alechk0 | nothing in syslog |
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| 11:00.49 | ghking | hello is there any one know what is "boot.img.gz". |
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| 11:02.22 | Revol | Hi, where's the party? |
| 11:03.22 | babilen | ghking: Can you provide *a little* more context? Are you referring to boot.img.gz in hd-media? |
| 11:03.23 | Revol | ghking : Can you provide *a little* more context ? |
| 11:03.23 | Revol | Are you referring to boot . |
| 11:03.23 | Revol | img . |
| 11:03.23 | Revol | gz in hd-media ? |
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| 11:03.49 | ghking | babilen YES |
| 11:04.36 | babilen | ghking: hehe, okay. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en should clarify that. |
| 11:04.40 | ghking | Revol: it the file in hd-media |
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| 11:05.00 | synchris | babilen: do u know when PAM included to debian as default? |
| 11:05.44 | jelly | synchris: long, long time ago. Think 199x |
| 11:05.57 | babilen | synchris: No, but it shouldn't be too hard to find in its changelog in /usr/share/$PKG/changelog.Debian* ; And I would personally appreciate it a lot if you could refrain from using "u" in here ;) |
| 11:06.40 | synchris | babilen: sorry i didn't want to do that |
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| 11:08.33 | jelly | babilen: the changelog doesn't mention ye olde times before glibc 2 |
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| 11:09.00 | babilen | synchris: Why not? It contains "pam (0.56-1) unstable; urgency=low ... -- Klee Dienes <klee@debian.org> Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:21:17 -0500" The changelog entries "Converted to new packaging format." and "Reorganization of package structure (-dev, -dbg, etc)" hint at the fact that the source package has been uploaded even earlier. |
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| 11:09.02 | DoctorWedgeworth | hey, how can I confirm that jpake isn't enabled in openssh-server for Debian Squeeze as per CVE-2010-4478? http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2010/12/msg00012.html says it's not in sid but doesn't seem to confirm about Squeeze. nm -D /usr/sbin/sshd | grep -i jpake returns nothing, is that enough to confirm it's not there? I can't see any mention in /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/changelog.Debian.gz or /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/changelog.gz |
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| 11:09.48 | jelly | DoctorWedgeworth: /msg dpkg cve lookup CVE-2010-4478 |
| 11:10.02 | synchris | babilen: my cousin done an installation 2years and a half before and i couldn't find pam.d in /etc |
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| 11:13.45 | DoctorWedgeworth | jelly, no response but do you know how I can confirm it against the package itself? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-4478 says squeeze1:5.5p1-6+squeeze3fixed so I assume it is |
| 11:14.03 | jelly | DoctorWedgeworth: I do not. |
| 11:14.45 | jelly | DoctorWedgeworth: what did #606922 say? |
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| 11:15.03 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of jelly) |
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| 11:16.23 | DoctorWedgeworth | jelly, it says "It does look like jpake is build for openssh. I've checked the version in squeeze and it has the vulnerable code." followed by "> It does not look like jpake is enabled in sid: That's correct. It's disabled upstream and we haven't enabled it. I have no intention of enabling it until upstream say it's OK to do so (which will probably consist of enabling it by default)." - I think it implies not present in squeeze too but doesn |
| 11:16.23 | DoctorWedgeworth | 't specifically say, and that first email makes me a little concerned |
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| 11:17.44 | jelly | DoctorWedgeworth: I'm reading that as "source tree has the code, but it's not enabled or compiled in debian's binary packages" |
| 11:17.57 | DoctorWedgeworth | that makes more sense, thanks jelly. |
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| 11:29.05 | abhisar | have just downloaded debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso , now when i try to make a USB bootable disk and boot it during startup,it doesn't start .Any solution?? |
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| 11:30.13 | jelly | abhisar: how did you create the bootable usb? (hint: unetbootin doesn't work well) |
| 11:30.37 | italian-cruncher | abhisar, what does it happen actually? throws an error? just skips to booting from hard drive? |
| 11:30.46 | abhisar | i tried startup disk creator that comes with ubuntu,it dint work |
| 11:30.56 | abhisar | and then i use Live USB creator |
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| 11:31.27 | abhisar | No basically that USb doesnt show up like a bootable one |
| 11:31.38 | jelly | abhisar: just write the image directly to the unmounted usb device instead |
| 11:31.43 | jelly | !usb install |
| 11:31.43 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 11:32.21 | jelly | abhisar: read the installation guide link |
| 11:32.30 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: fwiw, dget has the behaviour you desire |
| 11:32.55 | abhisar | yes my system does from USB because till now i have been installing linux always from USB.Now i wanted to switch to debian ,i get this wierd problem |
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| 11:34.08 | abhisar | is this version the correct one debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso to be made an bootable USB?? |
| 11:35.31 | biberao | yo |
| 11:35.41 | biberao | any good place to read about configuring xorg? |
| 11:36.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nice. |
| 11:36.28 | jelly | abhisar: yes, all debian 7 live and first-disc installation images are hybrid and bootable from usb |
| 11:36.55 | jelly | abhisar: again, as long as you follow the instructions and write it directly to the usb stick |
| 11:36.55 | italian-cruncher | biberao, https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg or https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg |
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| 11:41.01 | biberao | im trying to get the resolution and mouse working :| |
| 11:41.15 | wrast | i've downloaded debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso, signed with AD11CF6A, though i can't find it in any of the keyrings provided in the debian-keyring package, where would i find that cd image signing key? |
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| 11:43.03 | wrast | [it's the "Debian Live Signing Key (2013) <debian-live@lists.debian.org>" key] |
| 11:43.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | wrast: on squeeze? I think there are a few more keyring packages. |
| 11:43.09 | wrast | wheezy |
| 11:43.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm. |
| 11:44.23 | wrast | debian-archive-keyring description doesn't match, neither does debian-ports-archive-keyring description |
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| 11:44.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Archive keys only sign Release.gpg, AFAIK. |
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| 11:48.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | "The keys used for these signatures are all in the Debian GPG keyring"... rrright... and "Debian GPG keyring" is a link to the keyserver page. |
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| 11:53.41 | reavengrey | Damn, no lie |
| 11:53.51 | reavengrey | I just installed PHP+MySQL+Apache |
| 11:53.57 | reavengrey | It was so easy |
| 11:54.02 | reavengrey | what the hell lol |
| 11:54.21 | reavengrey | I thought I would have to spend infinite hours reading this man page |
| 11:54.27 | reavengrey | and that mailing list |
| 11:54.42 | reavengrey | good job linux, moving into the 20th century \o/ |
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| 11:55.45 | petn-randall | (21st century, btw) |
| 11:55.48 | Rydekull | reavengrey: uh, welcome to the 21th century, linux has been able to do that all along |
| 11:56.22 | Ropt | yeah 20th century is years 1900-1999 |
| 11:56.52 | petn-randall | reavengrey: unless you have a Debian stable support question, feel free to take the discussion to #debian-offtopic. This channel is for stable support only. |
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| 11:59.55 | john_rambo | Which packages do I need to install to open/extract compressed archives graphically under Gnome (3) ? |
| 12:01.04 | italian-cruncher | reavengrey, how many years since you last did it? |
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| 12:02.03 | Brigo | john_rambo: i think you need file-roller |
| 12:02.22 | john_rambo | Brigo, Installing ...... |
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| 12:03.32 | Brigo | john_rambo: you will need the sugges packages too, like unrar, unzip or p7zip-rar |
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| 12:04.15 | italian-cruncher | john_rambo, I suggest doing an apt-get install file-roller p7zip-full |
| 12:04.48 | abhisar | Ok so i now installed and booting LIVE usb of debian 7 but during startup it asks for username and password....does any one about it?? |
| 12:05.03 | kampsun | I just got into a place where I have a debian machine to manage. And I discovered that the /var/log/mail.* logs are growing huge. |
| 12:05.09 | john_rambo | italian-cruncher, that will cover most of the archive types ? |
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| 12:05.33 | kampsun | It seems that these are cron outputs that aren't sent |
| 12:05.44 | italian-cruncher | john_rambo, yeah except rar and ace. for them just do the command & sudo apt-get install apt-get install file-roller p7zip-full unrar unace |
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| 12:06.06 | abhisar | default username and password during debian live usb startup? |
| 12:06.07 | italian-cruncher | john_rambo, sorry, accidental copypaste. I basically added unrar unace |
| 12:06.18 | john_rambo | Okay |
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| 12:06.27 | kampsun | mail.err is fileld with putbody: write error: Broken pipe and Cannot exec /usr/sbin/sensible-mda: No such file or directory |
| 12:06.53 | kampsun | It seems that I shoudl jsut install sensible-mda, but I'm a bit afraid of avalanche of delivered mails then |
| 12:07.02 | italian-cruncher | john_rambo, If apt-get complains about not finding such packages just let me know |
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| 12:07.34 | MrJones_ | hi |
| 12:07.35 | reavengrey | italian-cruncher: When I was like...12-14 years old I used to fiddle with apache/php/mysql |
| 12:07.40 | MrJones_ | my debian install wants iwlwifi firmware |
| 12:07.42 | reavengrey | that was about 8 years ago |
| 12:07.46 | john_rambo | italian-cruncher, no ..... Installation is in progress ..... |
| 12:08.12 | MrJones_ | I supplied the firmware.tar.gz and ipw220-bss.fw onto the usb drive I'm installing from (usb install with minimal install & unetbootin) |
| 12:08.19 | MrJones_ | however, the installer simply doesn't find it |
| 12:08.27 | MrJones_ | what do I need to do to make it find the firmware? |
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| 12:08.59 | MrJones_ | it recognized the usb drive as install media, maybe this conflicts somehow if it's at the same time the usb drive which supplies the firmware file? |
| 12:09.08 | reavengrey | sudo apt-get install firmware-nonfree, IIRC? |
| 12:09.19 | MrJones_ | reavengrey: it is the wifi firmware |
| 12:09.22 | MrJones_ | if I had wifi, I could do that :p |
| 12:09.38 | reavengrey | Oh, that kind of problem |
| 12:09.46 | MrJones_ | the firmware file is on the usb drive |
| 12:09.50 | MrJones_ | it asks me to supply the firmware on an usb drive |
| 12:09.59 | MrJones_ | I press "Ok", it searches... and fails. what should I do :) |
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| 12:10.02 | reavengrey | well, you're on the net, you can download the .deb package from packages.debian.org |
| 12:10.12 | reavengrey | then dpkg -i <file> |
| 12:10.14 | italian-cruncher | MrJones_, what about a good old ethernet cable? :) |
| 12:10.24 | MrJones_ | good idea with the deb file |
| 12:10.26 | italian-cruncher | MrJones_, just to install the firmware-nonfree packages ofc |
| 12:10.33 | abhisar | default username and password during debian live usb startup? |
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| 12:12.07 | pestilence | I have several keyboard shortcuts that use my "Alt" button, and some of htem have suddenly stopped working |
| 12:12.32 | abhisar | default username and password during debian live usb startup? |
| 12:12.36 | italian-cruncher | pestilence, is your hardware layout properly configured? |
| 12:12.54 | pestilence | "Alt + Tab" still works, but I had set "Alt + right" or "Alt + Left" set to put the current window half screen right or left |
| 12:13.09 | pestilence | italian-cruncher: i believe so, since "Alt+Tab" still works |
| 12:13.21 | italian-cruncher | pestilence, what graphical environment are you using btw? |
| 12:13.28 | MrJones_ | reavengrey: how can I get to a shell with dpkg? |
| 12:13.35 | MrJones_ | the ash rescue shell thing doesn't have dpkg |
| 12:13.38 | pestilence | italian-cruncher: gnome shell |
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| 12:14.06 | pestilence | hrmm. now that I look, the keyboard shortcuts that aren't working say "Super+Left" not "Alt+Left" |
| 12:14.07 | italian-cruncher | pestilence, are the shortcuts still configured and they just don't work or they just disappeared? |
| 12:14.10 | pestilence | maybe super changed meaning |
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| 12:14.26 | italian-cruncher | pestilence, yeah, super is also known as the 'windows' button one some keyboards |
| 12:14.55 | italian-cruncher | pestilence, which is between CTRL and ALT typically |
| 12:15.10 | pestilence | italian-cruncher: ok, weird. maybe it is my brain that is the problem. |
| 12:15.15 | SirLagz | I have a keyboard that has that button as a Macro button :D |
| 12:15.19 | pestilence | italian-cruncher: thanks :) |
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| 12:18.00 | MrJones_ | how is this load missing firmware from media supposed to work?? |
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| 12:18.27 | MrJones_ | it asks for ipw2200-bss.fw on external media, and it's right in the root directory of the install media, in addition now the .deb files |
| 12:18.30 | MrJones_ | still it can't find it |
| 12:18.40 | MrJones_ | what sort of black magic do I need to apply to make it work? :p |
| 12:18.49 | italian-cruncher | pestilence, not your brain fault, maybe they just changed the default shortcuts since gnome 3 is still in its fast changing days of its life :) |
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| 12:19.28 | pestilence | italian-cruncher: one of the shortcuts was completely custom. it was definitely my brain. |
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| 12:20.19 | pestilence | plus, I'm running wheezy :) |
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| 12:23.14 | MrJones_ | why are the installers so broken, seriously? really annoying.. (or maybe I'm just too stupid) |
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| 12:24.20 | MrJones_ | jhutchins: just to remark this, I followed the section on the installation guide |
| 12:24.30 | MrJones_ | it tells me the exact firmware thing I should copy to the usb drive |
| 12:24.34 | MrJones_ | the installer would magically find it |
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| 12:24.37 | MrJones_ | well surprise, it doesn't.. |
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| 12:27.58 | MrJones_ | right, I didn't unpack the tarball. maybe that's the culprit. but I have an unpacked single file firmware blob right from the vendor in the root filesystem which has the exact file name it asks for - and it doesn't find that one either. odd |
| 12:28.09 | MrJones_ | will try unpacking the firmware tarball now, maybe that helps |
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| 12:29.30 | hpekdemir | hi. do I need a wildcard for being able to have subdomains on a host which has a dns record in bind? |
| 12:30.23 | hpekdemir | if a record is "host.domain.tld" and I have a website listening (apache) on foo.host.domain.tld. does this sudomain need a dns record, too? seems so. |
| 12:30.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok, I reported it as a bug, 'grave' severity, they can downgrade it if they want to, I know I did my part: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=724744 |
| 12:31.03 | hpekdemir | but why? every wildcard to host.domain.tld should automatically go to host, since there is a A record for it. right? |
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| 12:42.54 | jhutchins | hpekdemir: If you have a wildcard for domain.tld, any combination of hostnames including dotted hostnames will point to it. |
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| 12:43.15 | jhutchins | hpekdemir: However, merely having an A record is not the same as a wildcard record. |
| 12:43.16 | foxyfox | i need some thing that is similar to apache virtual host but for e.g when some one try to connect to voip.domain.com it redirects to public ip > 192.168.1.2 if games.domain.com it goes to public ip > 192.168.1.3 but i dont what it for webserver i want it for other services |
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| 12:43.37 | abrotman | so you want a DNS entry? |
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| 12:44.02 | foxyfox | i am not sure |
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| 12:47.51 | MrJones_ | hm |
| 12:47.55 | MrJones_ | can wheezy be installed on non-pae? |
| 12:48.03 | MrJones_ | the installer just complained it can't find a kernel for me |
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| 12:48.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell MrJones_ -about 686-pae |
| 12:49.19 | MrJones_ | I see |
| 12:49.20 | bezaban | foxyfox: sounds like DNS + NAT. |
| 12:49.25 | MrJones_ | so why does the installer not choose a 486 kernel? |
| 12:49.40 | bezaban | you can NAT per service |
| 12:49.42 | MrJones_ | the installer runs itself, so it is using some sort of non-pae |
| 12:49.57 | babilen | MrJones_: Not sure, can *you* choose that kernel manually? (you are being offered in expert mode, have never used another mode and am not sure about that) |
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| 12:50.36 | MrJones_ | babilen: can I go from graphical to expert mode? |
| 12:50.49 | babilen | MrJones_: don't think so |
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| 12:50.55 | MrJones_ | I'm in the graphical dumb users mode because it couldn't find the firmware on my external drive and I wasn't sure whether that would be related to it |
| 12:51.07 | babilen | MrJones_: So you are *not* being offered a choice? |
| 12:51.15 | MrJones_ | no it just says it can't find a kernel |
| 12:51.30 | MrJones_ | and allows me to either proceed without one or abort the installation step |
| 12:52.33 | babilen | hmm, unfortunate. Which processor do you use? Try aborting it; there is probably a way around this. Regarding firmware: How did you make it available on your external drive? Are you installing from USB (with firmware on *another* USB). Do you know that we offer installer images with firmware? (netinst images that is) |
| 12:52.47 | MrJones_ | I installed from usb, with firmware on same usb |
| 12:52.56 | MrJones_ | I tried the raw file, exactly the one it searched for, at first |
| 12:52.58 | babilen | MrJones_: Sorry, I never use graphical or anything "non-expert" and am not sure what to expect now. |
| 12:53.01 | MrJones_ | the guide claims that works |
| 12:53.12 | MrJones_ | however, the guide is wrong. only extracting the firmware tarball to the install media works |
| 12:53.16 | MrJones_ | but supplying the raw firmware file is not |
| 12:53.18 | babilen | MrJones_: Install guide? |
| 12:53.21 | MrJones_ | either a bug in the installer, or the guide is wrong on it |
| 12:53.27 | MrJones_ | yea the debian install guide |
| 12:53.38 | babilen | Hmm, okay. Could you file a bug about that? |
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| 12:54.55 | MrJones_ | well let's see if I can install at all first :) then bug report time |
| 12:55.07 | babilen | thinks it would be best to file one with "reportbug installation-guide" |
| 12:55.28 | MrJones_ | well it's now installing the system |
| 12:55.37 | MrJones_ | but probably without a kernel :p it claimed experts can lateron install one though |
| 12:55.42 | MrJones_ | so I'm curious to what is going to happen |
| 12:56.04 | MrJones_ | it did ask for the network package source for apt AFTER failing to find a kernel though |
| 12:56.11 | babilen | MrJones_: yeah, sure. But it would be good if you could do it so we can fix it. I'll have to run for lunch now and you might want to discuss this in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net if you can't figure it out with the kernel. (they also need to know which processor you are installing on); please also check errors/messges on tty (alt-f4) |
| 12:56.12 | MrJones_ | so I suppose if it now checked again, it would find one |
| 12:56.25 | MrJones_ | kinda weird order of things, first searching a nice kernel and only then going for network sources |
| 12:56.37 | babilen | Which image did you use? |
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| 12:56.55 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 12:57.09 | babilen | remembers being asked to choose a kernel as one of the last things in the "expert" installation procedure |
| 12:57.54 | MrJones_ | babilen: this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:57.58 | Strogg | what do you have to say to dpkg (the bot) to get the current apt keys for debian? |
| 12:58.11 | Strogg | remembers doing this once before |
| 12:58.16 | babilen | MrJones_: That should be fine |
| 12:58.28 | babilen | Strogg: yeah, we had a factoid for that .... :-/ |
| 12:58.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Strogg -about firmware image |
| 12:58.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell MrJones_ about firmware iamge |
| 12:58.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell MrJones_ about firmware image |
| 12:58.56 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 12:59.02 | babilen | Strogg: Sorry :) |
| 12:59.09 | Strogg | hehe no prob |
| 12:59.23 | MrJones_ | well I do have the firmware working now :) |
| 12:59.23 | foxyfox | bezaban: is there a router that does this or something? |
| 12:59.43 | MrJones_ | by extracting the firmware tarball instead of supplying the loose firmware file which is supposed to be working aswell |
| 12:59.58 | babilen | Strogg: "/msg dpkg apt-key KEYID" ? |
| 13:00.26 | babilen | MrJones_: yeah, the install guide is probably incorrect. (would have to read the exact passage to verify) |
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| 13:00.44 | babilen | anyway, brb (lunch) |
| 13:01.01 | MrJones_ | babilen: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 13:12.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: (or anyone else interested) It looks like the source package sig is for something else, the contents are checked some other way. #724744 |
| 13:13.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=724744#10 |
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| 13:16.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Actually I don't understand. |
| 13:18.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | I can't tell if they're saying it *can* check the checksums or if it does indeed do that. |
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| 13:19.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think it's the former. |
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| 13:21.07 | bezaban | foxyfox: yes, a lot of routers will do NAT and even household grade ones can NAT per service |
| 13:22.01 | bezaban | more than a lot too |
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| 13:23.45 | bezaban | aka. 'port forwarding' |
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| 13:25.44 | bezaban | but this is basic networking rather than debian related support :) |
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| 13:26.58 | Franklin | Running "webcamstudio" from terminal gives me: line 42: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java: No such file or directory - but running webcamstudio from /usr/lib/webcamstudio/WebcamStudio.jar works, how can I fix this thing? |
| 13:26.59 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Yes, I thought you wanted to be able to check that the .dsc has been signed with a valid key in Debian's web-of-trust. Wasn't sure that you were simply after checking the contents. |
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| 13:28.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: I thought those were equivalent :) |
| 13:28.07 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: See the <apt secure> factoid and linked documentation that I send you earlier regarding verification of contents. I send you this earlier and thought that you read that already :-/ |
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| 13:28.13 | Franklin | babilen: Running "webcamstudio" from terminal gives me: line 42: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java: No such file or directory - but running webcamstudio from /usr/lib/webcamstudio/WebcamStudio.jar works, how can I fix this thing? |
| 13:28.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok, let me have a look at it again. |
| 13:29.20 | babilen | Franklin: AFAICT webcamstudio is not in Debian and we neither recommend nor support SUN's (well Oracle's) Java. Fix that software so that it doesn't hardcode that horrible, security bug ridden pile of java mess. |
| 13:29.20 | jned | Franklin, maybe I sym link will do the trick |
| 13:29.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell Franklin -about install java |
| 13:29.43 | babilen | (and no, don't use a symlink as that software is clearly buggy) |
| 13:30.23 | jned | my bad |
| 13:30.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: there isn't much in there about _source_ packages though :/ |
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| 13:30.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Just a mention of the Sources file, AFAICT. |
| 13:30.47 | bezaban | Franklin: if 'webcamstudio' is a script try modifying it to point to your java binary |
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| 13:31.51 | bezaban | 'which webcamstudio' |
| 13:32.03 | Franklin | INSTALLDIR=/usr/lib/webcamstudio |
| 13:32.03 | Franklin | JAVA_DIR=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin |
| 13:32.13 | Franklin | that's in the /usr/bin/webcamstudio file. |
| 13:32.16 | Franklin | how can I make this work? |
| 13:32.16 | babilen | jned: No, it was a valid idea, but that "webcamstudio" (that we really don't support) is simply buggy and shouldn't hardcode that outdated, obsolete and bug-ridden java6. |
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| 13:32.39 | bezaban | Franklin: change JAVA_DIR to point to the folder with you java binary: 'which java' if it is in path |
| 13:32.51 | Franklin | its in /usr/bin/java |
| 13:33.02 | babilen | /usr/lib/jvm/default-java is typically a good choice |
| 13:33.18 | Franklin | alright, let me change JAVA_DIR |
| 13:33.21 | bezaban | Franklin: yeah, replace the JAVA_DIR with what babilen said :) |
| 13:33.31 | bezaban | or. well. |
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| 13:33.49 | Franklin | I did it. |
| 13:33.51 | Franklin | it still says /usr/bin/webcamstudio: line 42: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java: No such file or directory |
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| 13:33.59 | babilen | Franklin: And contact whoever distributes webcamstudio for both bug reports and support :) |
| 13:34.14 | babilen | Franklin: It is clearly broken. |
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| 13:34.24 | Franklin | /usr/bin/webcamstudio is: |
| 13:34.25 | Franklin | INSTALLDIR=/usr/lib/webcamstudio |
| 13:34.26 | Franklin | JAVA_DIR=/usr/lib/jvm/default-java |
| 13:34.26 | Franklin | if [ -f $JAVA_DIR/java ] |
| 13:34.26 | Franklin | then |
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| 13:34.39 | Franklin | webcamstudio is alright, it's a problem in my box. |
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| 13:35.00 | Franklin | alright it picked it up. |
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| 13:35.03 | Franklin | babilen: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/java: No such file or directory |
| 13:35.05 | Franklin | :/ |
| 13:35.41 | bezaban | Franklin: yeah, default-java is not a folder. |
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| 13:36.30 | Franklin | where the hell is java installed? |
| 13:36.38 | bezaban | try 'which java' |
| 13:36.45 | bezaban | wait. Franklin> its in /usr/bin/java |
| 13:36.47 | Franklin | /usr/bin/java |
| 13:36.48 | Franklin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.02 | Franklin | I added it to /usr/bin/webcamstudio but then it says: exec: /usr/bin/java/java: cannot execute: Not a directory |
| 13:37.03 | bezaban | it's a quick and dirty fix |
| 13:37.15 | bezaban | you want to add /usr/bin/ |
| 13:37.43 | Franklin | it worked! |
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| 13:37.46 | Franklin | :D |
| 13:37.55 | Franklin | webcamstudio is now running fine and healthy. |
| 13:38.07 | Franklin | thanks guys! |
| 13:38.22 | bezaban | np. note that this is not an ideal workaround |
| 13:38.34 | bezaban | but it seems like you want it to just work |
| 13:38.37 | bezaban | right. |
| 13:39.08 | Seattle_Mike | Trying to update squeeze to wheezy, unmet dependencies python-mlt5 can't update |
| 13:39.42 | babilen | fwiw, /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java is a symlink to the default java bin |
| 13:40.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell Seattle_Mike -about bat |
| 13:40.20 | bezaban | babilen: ah right. I tried looking at 2 machines I had at hand, but none had java |
| 13:40.22 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: Please also clarify at which step in the release notes that happens. |
| 13:40.38 | babilen | bezaban: No problem, Franklin seems to be happy :-/ |
| 13:40.42 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:41.00 | bezaban | babilen: yeah.. 'just make it work' |
| 13:41.31 | bezaban | work now, break later :P |
| 13:41.41 | babilen | lunch now, work later ;) |
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| 13:44.35 | DammitJim | God I hate UI stuff |
| 13:44.52 | DammitJim | why doesn't samba client work on the File explorer, but it works on the command line? ugh |
| 13:45.14 | jhutchins | DammitJim: How many different GUI file managers are there in Linux? |
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| 13:56.58 | DammitJim | jhutchins, I apologize... I was just venting... not looking for an answer |
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| 13:57.51 | jelly | DammitJim: #debian-offtopic is GREAT for venting |
| 13:57.58 | DammitJim | thanks jelly |
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| 13:59.20 | SpeedyG | Hi, I've got some issue that after some time in Gnome any application I start just either shows a black box, or a transparent box... google doesnt really help but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong direction, anyone got some suggestions ? |
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| 14:00.55 | Seattle_Mike | squeeze->wheezy update fails unmet dependencies python-mlt5 (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 14:01.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell Seattle_Mike -about bat |
| 14:01.26 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: Really, we have to see some output |
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| 14:02.14 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: Also try "aptitude full-upgrade" and provide output+commands (best your script/log from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session) |
| 14:02.57 | SpeedyG | The issue seems to be solved when I log out and back in again... |
| 14:03.09 | SpeedyG | but it comes back after some time |
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| 14:04.32 | Seattle_Mike | babilen it's looking for libpython 2.7 which isn't installed ....I will try aptitude |
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| 14:09.06 | relix | hey guys, I have an MDADM array, created using a script from my host company (hetzner) two years ago. Now I install a package, and something is giving a warning that /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf does not define an ARRAY. I check my logs and I never did change anything in that file, so not sure if there used to be ARRAY lines, or if this is normal |
| 14:09.16 | relix | this is on debian squeeze |
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| 14:09.38 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: Thanks it's cooking now! |
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| 14:10.12 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: Great, but please paste the actual output the next time. It is much easier to help you that way. |
| 14:10.38 | relix | so I'm wondering if I can continue on using a mdadm.conf that doesn't define an ARRAY, or if it'll break my RAID setup after a reboot |
| 14:10.49 | Seattle_Mike | babilen OK .....but duh what is bat? |
| 14:10.50 | rkrishna | Hi, any idea about this error "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 00000000117d4300"? |
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| 14:11.59 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: Our bot sent you a factoid; It probably arrived as a private message in another window or tab. (no idea, depends on your irc client) |
| 14:12.02 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:12.17 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: ^^^ that one. bat == "basic apt troubleshooting" |
| 14:12.17 | rkrishna | I am trying to install a video card, and I see this "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 00000000117d4300" error in the kernel.log |
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| 14:13.18 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: I saw your bot for bat but it didn't appear here - I am using XChat |
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| 14:13.54 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: check if you have another window or tab or something ... either way: yay! |
| 14:14.06 | MrJones_ | hey guys |
| 14:14.08 | MrJones_ | I'm in expert mode |
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| 14:14.11 | MrJones_ | I just installed the base system |
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| 14:14.19 | MrJones_ | it says there is no kernel to be found in the apt sources suitable for installation |
| 14:14.24 | MrJones_ | I can continue or abort |
| 14:14.26 | MrJones_ | what should I do |
| 14:14.50 | MrJones_ | it only checked the netinstall iso I suppose because it only configures the apt-get network source in the step right after this one, for some confusing reason |
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| 14:15.23 | jhutchins | MrJones_: What kind of hardware are you on? |
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| 14:15.30 | MrJones_ | pentium m, non-pae |
| 14:15.45 | MrJones_ | I used the i386 wheezy network install iso from usb |
| 14:15.52 | MrJones_ | baked onto usb with unetbootin |
| 14:16.06 | MrJones_ | so 32bit non-pae essentially, a laptop |
| 14:16.16 | MrJones_ | with intel 880 gme or something, so it's old :P |
| 14:17.50 | jhutchins | MrJones_: It should install the kernel from the iso if I understand correctly. |
| 14:18.31 | babilen | MrJones_: Oh, unetbootin breaks our installers (always has) |
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| 14:18.32 | jelly | MrJones_: are you 100% positive your Pentium M doesn't have pae? |
| 14:18.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell MrJones_ -about usb install |
| 14:19.34 | MrJones_ | jelly: apparently some do, but still don't have the flag |
| 14:20.23 | jelly | I guess it might be disabled or locked out in bios |
| 14:20.31 | MrJones_ | babilen: how does it break them? the breakage must be very subtle... e.g. detecting the install media worked |
| 14:20.48 | MrJones_ | jelly: well on the net it reads like the cpu simply doesn't have the flag set ever, and there is some "Fake-pae" which works around that |
| 14:20.49 | jelly | my 2005 thinkpad with first-gen centrino chipset and a "Celeron M" cpu, crippled Pentium M, had pae |
| 14:20.59 | MrJones_ | also, some pentium m don't have proper pae apparently and I don't know which one I have |
| 14:21.07 | MrJones_ | and I'm happy not to use pae - this machine has 1gb memory |
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| 14:21.10 | MrJones_ | where is the use of it |
| 14:21.11 | babilen | MrJones_: It causes errors like this, causes grub installation failures and whatnot. It is a horrible piece of software and you really shouldn't use it for our installers. |
| 14:21.17 | MrJones_ | ok |
| 14:21.25 | MrJones_ | why does it still exist |
| 14:21.43 | jhutchins | Because for some systems it's the only thing that DOES work. |
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| 14:21.47 | levlaz | I've never really had any issues with Unetbootin -- I have installed Debian 6,7, and testing using Unetbootin on dozens of machines. |
| 14:22.18 | levlaz | What's a good alternative? |
| 14:22.19 | jhutchins | MrJones_: It's easier to blame unetbootin than to figure out what's actually wrong. |
| 14:22.30 | babilen | MrJones_: We have nothing to do with unetbootin and we cannot ban them from developing and distributing their software |
| 14:22.42 | jelly | levlaz: writing the image directly to a stick is a good alternative |
| 14:22.44 | babilen | jhutchins: much easier indeed ;) |
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| 14:23.03 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 14:23.04 | jhutchins | levlaz: Preferred alternative is cat or dd, but there are a couple of windows alternatives that do seem to work more often. |
| 14:23.24 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: ... paste → http://paste.debian.net ... |
| 14:23.25 | levlaz | Good to know, thanks! |
| 14:23.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell levlaz -about usb install |
| 14:23.54 | babilen | levlaz: Just use "cp debian.iso /dev/whatever ; sync" and you are done. |
| 14:24.09 | babilen | brb |
| 14:24.14 | jhutchins | babilen: cp? |
| 14:24.18 | levlaz | And this just becomes magically bootable? |
| 14:24.25 | MrJones_ | I just tried the cp thing |
| 14:24.29 | babilen | jhutchins: sure, cp is great |
| 14:24.32 | levlaz | I remember back in the day you had to do some more stuff to make it bootable... |
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| 14:24.37 | MrJones_ | it says "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" |
| 14:24.49 | MrJones_ | and then "Operating System not found" |
| 14:25.01 | jelly | MrJones_: forgot to sync or had the stick mounted at the time of cp? |
| 14:25.01 | jhutchins | MrJones_: It's possible you have a bad iso. |
| 14:25.13 | MrJones_ | I was careful to unmount it and synced |
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| 14:25.31 | jhutchins | If the device were mounted and you did a cp to the mount point, you'd just end up with an iso file on the drive. |
| 14:25.51 | MrJones_ | no it wasn't |
| 14:26.06 | MrJones_ | well let me check what nautilus thinks is on the device now.. one sec |
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| 14:26.20 | MrJones_ | the device name changed |
| 14:26.26 | MrJones_ | and all previous extra folders I had are gone |
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| 14:26.31 | MrJones_ | that looks like it copied something to me |
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| 14:26.39 | MrJones_ | where can I get a checksum for the iso files here? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
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| 14:28.29 | warfs | is there a mozplugin in the repo that enables firefox to search regexp? |
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| 14:29.16 | jhutchins | MrJones_: From that directory, click on the architecture, there should be checksum files in the first directory. |
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| 14:32.20 | MrJones_ | jhutchins: md5sum matches |
| 14:32.39 | MrJones_ | I tried copying again, afterwards mounting & checking in nautilus |
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| 14:33.08 | MrJones_ | the only strange thing was that when I unmounted in nautilus, it would say it wants to write data to the device (despite me not doing anything in there to it) - as if the sync didn't fully work |
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| 14:33.22 | MrJones_ | anyway, I can't boot from this, says "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" |
| 14:34.26 | MrJones_ | oh wait, let me check if it tried to boot the usb disk or the hdd :p |
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| 14:35.37 | MrJones_ | yup it was the usb disk |
| 14:36.13 | Benkinooby | hi, what the correct term for the follwoing setup: 1 computer that can be used 2 two users at the same time, where each user has his own monitor, keyboard, mouse and eventually sound |
| 14:36.35 | Benkinooby | e.g. you use 5 computers for 10 users. all in the same room |
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| 14:37.39 | Guest59384 | which program recommended for video encoding? |
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| 14:38.09 | jhutchins | MrJones_: I think you need to get the GUI out of the way. |
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| 14:38.31 | jhutchins | Guest59384: ffmpeg |
| 14:38.51 | babilen | MrJones_: May I see the commands you used for writing? Did you sync? |
| 14:39.07 | jhutchins | MrJones_: For the squeeze installer, the instructions were to cat isofile > /dev/dvd |
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| 14:39.18 | Lorde | What's the easiest way to install Debian on a USB stick? I'm comfortable installing Arch and the like, so I'm perfectly fine with the CLI if that's the easiest. I would just run the Debian installer and tell it to install on /dev/sdbXYZ, but I've only run that installer once or twice and I'm not sure whether it would eagerly start installing with default settings and overwrite the system on my hard drive... :/ |
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| 14:39.36 | jhutchins | MrJones_: I would not expect Nautilus to copy the data in a useful way. |
| 14:39.44 | Benkinooby | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.22 | Lorde | Benkinooby: sure, thanks! |
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| 14:40.29 | Guest59384 | jhutchins, is there gui? |
| 14:40.43 | Benkinooby | Lorde: oooh, wait. maybe i missunderstood |
| 14:40.45 | jhutchins | Lorde: cat (or dd) isofile > /dev/dvd - direct to the unmounted device. |
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| 14:40.48 | Benkinooby | Lorde: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 14:41.14 | jhutchins | Guest59384: I have no idea. It's mostly used as a CLI util, there may be wrappers. |
| 14:41.14 | Benkinooby | Lorde: this will put your debian image on usb-stick. it will be a live system, to be used like the live CD |
| 14:41.33 | Benkinooby | Lorde: do you wnat "more" than that - e.g. save your changes and all that? |
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| 14:42.09 | Hammen | I restarted Apache and now it has issues reading my /etc/apache2/envvars: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 14:42.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell Lorde -about usb install |
| 14:42.20 | jhutchins | Guest59384: If you're trying to master a DVD there's a package of scripts called tovid. |
| 14:42.39 | Benkinooby | !usb install |
| 14:42.40 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 14:42.50 | Franklin | How can I change my time format from 24hour to 12hour? |
| 14:42.58 | Lorde | Benkinooby: Ok. Yeah, what I want to do is run a "full-fledged" Debian system on a USB stick. Basically run a Debian VM but without the VM part. :) |
| 14:43.00 | Benkinooby | babilen: i think he what to install TO usbe stick |
| 14:43.01 | levlaz | Franklin which DE are you using? |
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| 14:43.13 | Benkinooby | Lorde: ok, in that case my instruction is wrong |
| 14:43.16 | Franklin | xfce, levlaz. |
| 14:43.27 | Franklin | I am using Debian Wheezy XFCE. |
| 14:43.29 | mumpitzel | Lorde: then just install debian to usb instead of a harddisk. ie, install debian while the usb stick is plugged in |
| 14:43.36 | jhutchins | Lorde: You can just do a normal install with the USB drive as the target. |
| 14:43.42 | Benkinooby | Lorde: what about: remove your hard disk (to make sure you don't mess with it) and inerts your usb stick, and then install from CD |
| 14:44.00 | mumpitzel | Lorde: after installation you might want to change a few things cause usb sticks only have a very limited amount of writes per NAND cell |
| 14:44.17 | Benkinooby | Lorde: i am suggesting the same as jhutchins but i also suggest to disconnect the hdd for safety |
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| 14:44.39 | levlaz | franklin have you checked the clock configuration settings? |
| 14:44.42 | Lorde | Benkinooby, jhutchins, mumpitzel: Alright, I'll try that. Like I said, I was a bit worried that the Debian installer might start writing stuff to the HDD before I got the opportunity to tell it to write elsewhere :) |
| 14:44.42 | jhutchins | Lorde: What do you have on the system now, arch? |
| 14:44.47 | Benkinooby | Lorde: also, mumpitzel has a point. iirc there are even guides how to maken an OS usb-stick optimized |
| 14:44.49 | Franklin | levlaz; where is it? |
| 14:44.54 | Lorde | jhutchins: Yeah |
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| 14:45.09 | jhutchins | Lorde: No, it won't do that. It has a "first do no harm" philosophy. |
| 14:45.31 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] Is there a configuration file whose contents indicate whether the Domain Name System (DNS) is available or operational? |
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| 14:45.35 | levlaz | Franklin: right click on the time there should be a properties tab |
| 14:45.39 | Seattle_Mike | babilen I posted the aptitude console at SeaMike |
| 14:45.41 | jhutchins | Lorde: You might look at debbootstrap, which is available on many distros. It does an install in a chroot. |
| 14:45.52 | Lorde | jhutchins: Great, that's what I was after :) just wanted to make sure since I currently don't have any way to backup my HDD system xD |
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| 14:46.12 | jhutchins | Lorde: naughty naughty. |
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| 14:46.31 | Franklin | yes there is. |
| 14:46.49 | Franklin | it's allowing me to modify the date. |
| 14:46.53 | Franklin | not time |
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| 14:47.27 | jhutchins | bullgard4: Basically just query it. |
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| 14:48.24 | Lorde | The cause of all this is that I want to run OCTGN (a card game system written in .NET) but couldn't get it to work in wine on Arch, so I figured I'd try another distro (since it seems to be supposed to work in at least some other distro) but I doubt my netbook could cope with running a VM with anything much heavier than DSL or Knoppix or the like |
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| 14:49.16 | pression | hello guys, somebody know how to benefit a powerfull graphic card without playing games? |
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| 14:50.42 | jelly | pression: not wasting extra money on electricity is a benefit |
| 14:50.59 | pression | I haven't got graphic card |
| 14:51.24 | pression | but I heard using a powerfull graphic card is good to do brute force attack |
| 14:51.30 | pression | sorry for my english |
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| 14:51.40 | pression | in the spanish linux irc there are low ppl |
| 14:51.52 | Benkinooby | pression: so you want to do brute force attacks? |
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| 14:52.03 | pression | no man, I am not a killer |
| 14:52.11 | pression | I mean |
| 14:52.14 | pression | I just asking |
| 14:52.16 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 14:52.27 | pression | because I have got curiosity |
| 14:52.39 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: Are you saying I should query all configuration files for this one file? |
| 14:52.40 | Benkinooby | pression: so you want to use the GPU to support your CPU for daily tasks |
| 14:52.59 | Benkinooby | GPU (graphic processing unit) |
| 14:53.05 | Benkinooby | it's the one on the graphic cartd |
| 14:53.06 | jhutchins | bullgard4: I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 14:53.07 | Benkinooby | *card |
| 14:53.15 | nkuttler | bullgard4: function would mean something like dig@localhost, wouldn't it? |
| 14:53.16 | pression | yeah |
| 14:53.20 | jhutchins | bullgard4: If you want to know of a DNS is up just query it. |
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| 14:53.49 | pression | cuz I want make multiseat for example, and I want to know if the multiseat is posible only with the enough ram and processator or the gpu help too |
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| 14:54.17 | jhutchins | bullgard4: There is no standard flag or indicator that shows whether a configured DNS is responding. |
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| 14:54.40 | conny__ | hi |
| 14:54.43 | bullgard4 | nkuttler: I don't know if there is localhost involved. Function would mean that DNS is functioning. |
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| 14:55.02 | pression | because I want make multiseat so I did in my father's pc and I crashed his ubuntu and he hit me, for that i want my onw pc but idk what i must buy in a pc to do the multiseat (sry for my english) |
| 14:55.15 | MrJones_ | jhutchins: well I checked if it was still unmounted afterwards, and it was |
| 14:55.19 | MrJones_ | and I tried multiple times |
| 14:55.21 | nkuttler | bullgard4: oh, external? so you want to check if you have a working network connection, to the internet, and that whatever dns was configured is responsive? |
| 14:55.29 | nkuttler | bullgard4: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 14:56.02 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: I see. This is deplorable when trying to debug. |
| 14:56.08 | Benkinooby | pression: you can ask in ##hardware |
| 14:56.14 | pression | thanks man |
| 14:56.15 | conny__ | I have installed mesa 9.2 from experimental. glxinfo reports it. and from what I know, mesa 9.2 support VDPAU but it doesnt work. do you by chance know if it should work and it is just a config error or VDPAU support isn't compiled it? |
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| 14:56.23 | nkuttler | bullgard4: there can't be a "flag" if you test remote connectivity |
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| 14:56.33 | jhutchins | bullgard4: What are you trying to debug? |
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| 14:56.37 | Benkinooby | pression: also, i don't thhink you need very powerful hardware, if you keep your system slim |
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| 14:57.02 | pression | yeah, that pc must running many pc at the same times |
| 14:57.04 | pression | 4 pc |
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| 14:57.10 | pression | in multiseat ubuntu |
| 14:57.19 | maxyz | pression: Some gpu processor have thousands of small processors, and designed to work best when all of them are running the same code on a small input, you can use them programming in opencl, cuda and such. |
| 14:57.19 | MrJones_ | jhutchins: is it possible that this laptop is too old to boot from whatever image format this cp approach creates on the usb drive? I heard there are two ways this can be layed out on the disk, one of them being newer and not always supported |
| 14:57.26 | pression | I want running pokemon and the epsx games for my brothers |
| 14:57.40 | maxyz | pression: In a multiseat a gpu wont help you at all. |
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| 14:57.53 | jhutchins | MrJones_: Not that I know of. The standard iso should be bootable by any system that allows boot from usb. |
| 14:58.07 | hfp | Hi guys! I'm a bit confused: I am setting up a FreeSWITCH server and would like to do this in the best possible way. The developers for FS recommend CentOS 5 or Debian 6 to avoid any issues. I would go with Debian 6 because I am used to Debian but the fact that Debian 6 is very hard to find on debian.org as opposed to Debian 7.1 makes me wonder if it is wise to use an older version when a newer one is out. What is irc://irc.freenode.net/#de |
| 14:58.07 | hfp | opinion on that matter? Is it ok to use an older Debian than the latest one? |
| 14:58.12 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: A Debian wheezy computer that shows that '~$ sudo route' is okay (though slow) but does not connect the web browser to an URL such as www.belug.de. |
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| 14:58.25 | MrJones_ | jhutchins: I am specifically talking of the two common methods mentioned here: https://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 14:58.31 | Benkinooby | pression: oh, 4 PCs?! that's very ambitious :) |
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| 14:59.03 | Benkinooby | pression: you said you tried multi-seat ubuntu? |
| 14:59.10 | pression | no no man, 1 pc, and 4 monitors 4 keyboards 4 mouses |
| 14:59.16 | pression | with multiseat |
| 14:59.18 | Benkinooby | pression: i know |
| 14:59.26 | pression | lovely |
| 14:59.39 | Benkinooby | pression: but if you all want to game on the same time, you need a very very very powerful computer ;) |
| 14:59.40 | Lorde | Benkinooby, mumpitzel: any idea off the top of your head where I might find one of those guides for making an OS flash friendly? Or what search terms to use? I found a few web pages about installing on USB but they don't seem address NAND wear. |
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| 15:00.23 | Benkinooby | Lorde: no, i just know i found some when googling. google for ssd wear off and such things |
| 15:00.35 | pression | don't worry, I worked in the water park, i have got the money of my first pay, 700 euros |
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| 15:00.57 | Benkinooby | Lorde: also, be warend: many of those guids are outdated, because nowadays hardware might take care of that, so you don'T need a software solution |
| 15:01.10 | Lorde | Benkinooby: alright, thanks! |
| 15:01.15 | Benkinooby | Lorde: also, the choice of the correct file system is of importance |
| 15:01.34 | bullgard4 | nkuttler: I understand that "remote connectivity" is complex phenomenon composed of hardware and several software layers. But my question was much slower in scope. I only asked for DNS connectivity. |
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| 15:01.52 | Benkinooby | Lorde: turn of logging as much as possible, and then try to immitate live system, which basically move their whole system to RAM |
| 15:01.56 | bullgard4 | s/slower/narrower/ |
| 15:02.00 | Lorde | Benkinooby: oh yeah, perhaps I don't want journaling and the like... I'll read a bit more on FSs then |
| 15:02.10 | Benkinooby | Lorde: that will give you speed and will be mercyful on your pen drive |
| 15:02.25 | Lorde | Benkinooby: thanks for all the input :D |
| 15:02.29 | Benkinooby | Lorde: so maybe: go for a distro, that is made to be alive system straigt away |
| 15:03.08 | Benkinooby | Lorde: because i am pretty sure that they already considered such thing, and know the current state of the art in hardware |
| 15:03.12 | MrJones_ | jhutchins: I just tried copying with dd after some other guide, that worked. |
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| 15:03.32 | Benkinooby | Lorde: as i said, some (most?) SSDs do loadbalancing on hardware level |
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| 15:04.24 | Benkinooby | pression: so do you knwo why you faild at your dad's pc? |
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| 15:05.05 | roos | Have been using Debian for a month now and I am in love, have even manage to convince the small company I work at to go with Debian! |
| 15:05.46 | babilen | yay |
| 15:05.52 | Benkinooby | :) |
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| 15:07.33 | pression | Benkinooby, I tried modificate the xorg but idk what happend I crashed |
| 15:07.45 | pression | but he has got a copy of ubuntu |
| 15:08.05 | Benkinooby | pression: i just read that ubuntu still has some issues with multiseat |
| 15:08.19 | Benkinooby | pression: https://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
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| 15:11.28 | pression | thanks man |
| 15:11.41 | Benkinooby | pression: also this one seems to be very up to date http://blog.startupanywhere.org/multiseat-linux-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 15:11.45 | Seattle_Mike | babilen : methinks I have done with any debian upgrade ....install wheezy, gnome, kde and then tailor it my current system. |
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| 15:15.00 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: wait, did you give me the URL of you pastebin and I didn't take a look? |
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| 15:16.01 | Seattle_Mike | http://paste.debian.net/46794/ |
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| 15:16.54 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: That is "aptitude full-upgrade" .. Could you try running "apt-get upgrade" first? (or did you do that already?) Did you sort this out by now? |
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| 15:17.02 | wildanimal | I would like to attach an external display using displayport. So far i've had my main laptop display and a VGA monitor and they've worked fine. However, after attaching a monitor via displayport, the monitor doesn't show anything and isn't detected by either xrandr or arandr |
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| 15:17.43 | wildanimal | how do i connect an extrnal display using displayport with wheezy? |
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| 15:18.29 | JodaZ | how do i speed up nfsv4, nfsv4 seems to have a much lower latency for listing directories and the like |
| 15:19.02 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: I started with apt-get upgrade and this paste is the result of aptitude full-upgrade .... I will try some more probably from console but I have to eat bkfst first! |
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| 15:20.28 | Lorde | Benkinooby: Alright, I'm rebooting to go nuts with my USB drives, see ya! :D |
| 15:20.57 | wildanimal | does anyone have experience with a displayport monitor in debian? |
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| 15:23.38 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: You can also try to upgrade apt and dpkg first which might make it easier for them to sort out whatever problem in squeeze you have there. Was your system fully up-to-date before you attempted the upgrade? Did you have obsolete packages (aptitude search ~o) installed or those from unsupported third-party repositories? |
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| 15:24.37 | jhutchins | wildanimal: Most systems only have the ability to drive two displays, so the displayport may be disabled with the VGA is in use. You may be able to tell if it is enabled or detected by looking through /var/log/Xorg.0.log - lots of noise, but that where you'd find it. |
| 15:24.49 | jhutchins | wildanimal: There _might_ be something in dmesg as well. |
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| 15:26.15 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: my system was update except for chrome - I may have obsolete pkgs and 3rd party - I will try all the above ...I think I tried installing dpkg and apt and failed with dependencies. |
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| 15:27.05 | babilen | Seattle_Mike: hmm, have to run now but something is fishy. There is probably something that stops the process, but I would require some quality time with your system and a lot more information/output. |
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| 15:27.54 | Seattle_Mike | babilen: Thanks for your help .. I will get to back to you later or tomorrow. |
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| 15:31.09 | discovered | hi |
| 15:31.29 | SirLagz | hi |
| 15:31.31 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.33 | discovered | Is there any way to upgrade mingw please? |
| 15:31.57 | SirLagz | I didn't realise mingw was debian...? |
| 15:32.07 | tylertwo | Hey, I'm trying to live-boot Debian from a USB. I first tried downloading an ISO directly on to the usb and booting, but on bootup I got a "no UI found" error and it wouldn't boot. I th en tried moving the iso file to my main filesystem and then writing it to the usb using the dd command. I tried booting again but this time a "corrupt files" (or something like that) e rror message quickly appeared and then it aborted and went to norm |
| 15:32.10 | tylertwo | Any idea s about how to make it work? |
| 15:32.34 | SirLagz | tylertwo: are you trying to install Debian from a USB stick ? |
| 15:32.49 | discovered | SirLagz, It is gcc (c/c++ compiler) for windows |
| 15:32.54 | tylertwo | SirLagz: ideally just live-boot it for now, not install |
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| 15:32.55 | f8l | discovered: `apt-get install mingw32` should work… |
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| 15:33.03 | jhutchins | ,versions mingw |
| 15:33.04 | judd | No package named 'mingw' was found in i386. |
| 15:33.10 | SirLagz | discovered: so you're using mingw on windows ? |
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| 15:33.21 | discovered | f8l, It is too old 4.6 |
| 15:33.33 | discovered | SirLagz, on Debian |
| 15:33.38 | eLdiaBLo_GR | tylertwo: did you try using unetbootin ? |
| 15:33.42 | jhutchins | tylertwo: Do you have a linux system or only windows? |
| 15:33.50 | SirLagz | discovered: oh right |
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| 15:34.11 | tylertwo | eLdiaBLo_GR: no, but i probably should, eh? that worked for me with ubuntu.. |
| 15:34.18 | tylertwo | jhutchins: ubuntu |
| 15:34.29 | f8l | desti: You can ping the maintainer or compile from sources. |
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| 15:34.40 | jhutchins | tylertwo: dd if=isofile of=/dev/dvd |
| 15:34.43 | eLdiaBLo_GR | tylertwo: then try unetbootin it should work |
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| 15:35.02 | jelly | eLdiaBLo_GR: unetbootin is quite problematic with debian images and is not recommended |
| 15:35.20 | jhutchins | eLdiaBLo_GR: You should be aware that we get lots of people who have trouble with unetbootin created devices, especially when created under windows. |
| 15:35.49 | eLdiaBLo_GR | jhutchins: he is using an ubuntu machine... |
| 15:35.55 | tylertwo | jhutchins: I tried that but my of was of=/dev/sdb1. do you think that would be a problem? |
| 15:36.10 | discovered | f8l, I was thinking if i can upgrade to 4.7+ |
| 15:36.33 | eLdiaBLo_GR | tylertwo: you should use fdisk -l to check tha name of your usb stick |
| 15:36.38 | jhutchins | tylertwo: Not as long as sdb is the USB device. I don't know why I've been using dvd as an example this morning, inadequate coffee. |
| 15:37.28 | f8l | discovered: Where did you get 4.6? I can see only 4.2.1 in the repo. |
| 15:37.32 | eLdiaBLo_GR | tylertwo: if you just want to see how debian looks you could try using a Vbox |
| 15:37.33 | jhutchins | tylertwo: Oh, there is a problem with that, you need the root device, not the partition, so /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1. The iso image will replace any partitions on the device. |
| 15:37.47 | jhutchins | tylertwo: It needs to be the raw device so it can boot. |
| 15:38.14 | jhutchins | ,versions mingw32 |
| 15:38.15 | judd | Package: mingw32 on i386 -- jessie: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; sid: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; squeeze: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.2.1.dfsg-2 |
| 15:38.15 | discovered | f8l, gcc version 4.6.3 (GCC) . I am using wheezy |
| 15:38.26 | tylertwo | jhutchins: oh ok |
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| 15:38.51 | Stygia | Hey, has anyone experienced performance issues with Debian lately? I'm on testing, and it feels like since I updated these last few days (2-3 days), I have been experiencing "load spikes" that cause the system to freeze up. Anyone here experience the same, or have any clues as to why this could be? |
| 15:39.04 | f8l | discovered: So which compiler are you talking about? mingw or gcc? |
| 15:39.22 | tylertwo | alright, ill try that out and/or the unetbootin. thanks |
| 15:39.23 | jhutchins | Stygia: I know that there have been some problems with recent 3.x kernels. |
| 15:39.43 | discovered | f8l, mingw , |
| 15:39.57 | Stygia | jhutchins, Ah, hmm, I _have_ been running on 3.10-3. |
| 15:39.58 | discovered | mingw is gcc for windows |
| 15:40.08 | Stygia | jhutchins, I suppose that does corrospond pretty well to when this started happening. |
| 15:40.18 | Stygia | jhutchins, And the issues there have been were specifically performance issues? |
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| 15:40.43 | jhutchins | Stygia: I believe it's been discussed in the mailing lists - yes, at least one was a pretty severe performance hit. |
| 15:40.49 | f8l | discovered: I'd first check if mingw is built on newer gcc. |
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| 15:41.10 | discovered | yes it is , on sourceforg |
| 15:41.14 | Stygia | jhutchins, Ah cool, I hope it's that, then, this has made some games and such pretty much unplayable (with wine of course). |
| 15:41.30 | Stygia | jhutchins, And of course frustrated any sort of actual work. |
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| 15:41.42 | Stygia | I suppose I'll try booting into an older patch, see if that helps. |
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| 15:42.44 | up365 | Stygia, on wheezy, after recent update, everything that moves, mouse cursor, keyboard, and any moving video has a hesitation on both my wheezy boxes |
| 15:42.59 | nuffigel | so, I'm on wheezy, why does aptitude install linux-source-2.6 want to install linux-source-3.2{a} ? |
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| 15:44.03 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 15:44.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 15:44.37 | galex-713 | Is the Canaima Debian derivation completly free? |
| 15:44.42 | jhutchins | nuffigel: I think you're getting "closest match". linux-source is going to point to 3.2 by default. |
| 15:45.01 | jhutchins | galex-713: How would we know what they do with it? |
| 15:45.02 | nuffigel | jhutchins: but linux-source-2.6 is _also_ going to be installed apparently |
| 15:45.20 | nuffigel | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 15:45.20 | nuffigel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.21 | jhutchins | nuffigel: Interesting. |
| 15:45.46 | jhutchins | nuffigel: What did you request? |
| 15:46.00 | nuffigel | jhutchins: aptitude install linux-source-2.6 |
| 15:46.49 | jhutchins | ,maint linux-source |
| 15:46.50 | judd | Package linux-latest version 46 was uploaded by DOB: 1977-01-11 on 2012-10-07, last changed by Ben Hutchings and maintained by Debian Kernel Team. |
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| 15:57.07 | jelly | nuffigel: what's your actual goal, why do you think you need linux-source-2.6? |
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| 16:00.50 | nuffigel | jelly: I have a vpn that provided me a 2.6 kernel, but I need a module that's not compiled, so I hope I can compile this module and load it into the running kernel... |
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| 16:00.56 | nuffigel | err vps |
| 16:02.11 | jelly | nuffigel: do you know what kind of vps? Install imvirt and run it if you don't |
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| 16:03.31 | jelly | container-style vps like OpenVZ/Virtuozzo or LXC, the kernel is shared and you can't load modules from within a VPS |
| 16:03.48 | tarkaram | when a network interface is setup for dhcp.. is there a way to disable the dns nameserver updates ? |
| 16:04.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell tarkaram about override dns |
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| 16:04.31 | nuffigel | jelly: couldn't I kexec my own kernel if worst comes to worst? |
| 16:05.37 | jelly | nuffigel: again, it depends on the VM/VPS technology used |
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| 16:06.19 | thowe | Can someone point me to the documentation that specifies the syntax for an iptables file as it should be passed to iptables-restore? I realize most of what's in there is the same as I would pass iptables on the CLI, but the beginning lines "*filter" and the end line "COMMIT" in the article confuse me and I can't find where that is documented anywhere. |
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| 16:07.15 | nuffigel | jelly: its OpenVZ |
| 16:07.25 | jelly | thowe: #netfilter channel might have an idea if google doesn't help. Or set up rules manually and dump them with iptables-save |
| 16:07.29 | tarkaram | jelly: thanks. |
| 16:07.40 | jelly | nuffigel: right, you do not have control of the kernel there. |
| 16:08.22 | nuffigel | jelly: so, what options do I have? |
| 16:08.44 | mumpitzel | no options. you cannot do anything with the kernel, no module loading in any way |
| 16:08.45 | nuffigel | can I just run a virtual machine on top of this one where I do have control over the kernel? |
| 16:09.11 | jelly | nuffigel: absolutely none. Get a Xen, KVM or VMware VM with proper virtualization |
| 16:09.20 | mumpitzel | only a VM which doesn't need a kernel module itself (kvm, xen, vbox, vmware all need one) |
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| 16:10.17 | jelly | nuffigel: what functionality are you missing? The only thing I can think of that has a change of working is user-mode-linux, perhaps |
| 16:10.32 | nuffigel | jelly: tun |
| 16:10.36 | jelly | nuffigel: forget it |
| 16:10.40 | nuffigel | ^^ |
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| 16:11.01 | nmpro | */1 * * * * does that mean every minute? |
| 16:11.12 | jelly | nmpro: yes, same as * * * * * |
| 16:11.15 | nmpro | thanks |
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| 16:16.13 | nuffigel | jelly: what prevents me from installing a qemu and loading my tun interface in there? |
| 16:16.50 | jelly | nuffigel: dunno, what purpose would that serve? |
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| 16:17.45 | nuffigel | I'd have a rootserver with tun interface |
| 16:18.01 | jelly | nuffigel: and you'd do what with it? |
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| 16:18.40 | nuffigel | play around with tinc maybe |
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| 16:19.37 | jelly | nuffigel: now _that_ looks like a purpose. sure, you can try that |
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| 16:21.04 | thowe | jelly, Essentially they are telling me it is undocumented and that one would just figure it out if they do an iptables-save... I'm aghast. |
| 16:21.18 | jelly | thowe: welcome to Linux! |
| 16:22.25 | jelly | thowe: if you're coming from a Solaris world, or some other well-documented place, have sedatives nearby and ready |
| 16:22.58 | thowe | OpenBSD. Documented to the nines. |
| 16:23.16 | thowe | This would be considered a bug in OpenBSD and the package would be removed until it was fixed. |
| 16:23.22 | jelly | yeah, hence the culture shock |
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| 16:28.02 | peterrooney | "Documentation is rarely didactic." -- me |
| 16:29.07 | jelly | peterrooney: my experience with SunOS docs was quite the opposite. I used to look up POSIX stuff there and use it on Linux |
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| 16:32.18 | Butt3rfly | why is there missing modules in debians eggdrop install, do i have to compile the modules myself? |
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| 16:34.41 | LtL | Butt3rfly: with buid-essential and tcl packages, eggdrop's latest source compiles easily |
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| 16:35.13 | LtL | Butt3rfly: make that build-essential |
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| 16:35.31 | Butt3rfly | i was just going to ask what is that |
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| 16:35.55 | Butt3rfly | guessing debian specific files? |
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| 16:36.48 | nmsss | new to debian: i cant find most of the firefox plugins i use, for iceweasel. wondering why, thought iceweasel was just rebranded firefox |
| 16:36.53 | LtL | Butt3rfly: yes, build-essential and tcl are in the repo's. eggdrop get from eggdrop.org or where ever their home is. |
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| 16:37.46 | Stygia | nmsss, You can still install firefox plugins the regular way, but most of them are named xul-ext-X |
| 16:37.49 | Butt3rfly | okies |
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| 16:39.00 | nmsss | Stygia++ |
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| 16:39.37 | Stygia | nmsss, What? |
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| 16:50.15 | levlaz | 30 years ago today! :) http://www.gnu.org/gnu/initial-announcement.html |
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| 17:01.06 | zerick | Is varnish 2.1 supported under Debian wheezy ? |
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| 17:01.44 | n0c | levlaz: hehe i saw that |
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| 17:01.49 | n0c | so, gnome 3.10 was released |
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| 17:10.59 | n0c | dumb question but how can i tell what debian distribution i'm running on |
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| 17:11.19 | n0c | lsb_release says testing |
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| 17:11.28 | n0c | is that the best conclusive answer? |
| 17:11.48 | n0c | i'm only wondering because i grabbed the changelog for gnome-core from aptitude and it's showing 'unstable |
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| 17:11.59 | n0c | i also have unstable sources enabled so perhaps that's why.. |
| 17:12.02 | eLdiaBLo_GR | you 're talking about debian version ? |
| 17:12.03 | mumpitzel | !version |
| 17:12.03 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 17:12.15 | n0c | am wondering when 3.10 may be submitted to unstable or testing |
| 17:12.28 | n0c | eLdiaBLo_GR: debian DISTRIBUTION |
| 17:12.34 | mumpitzel | n0c: if you ran a debian stable, one could conclusively say what you run. with testing or unstable this is not possible |
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| 17:12.56 | n0c | ok apt-cache policy gnome-core is a good idea thanks |
| 17:13.29 | n0c | 3.8+4 in unstable versus 3.8+3 in testing... OK |
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| 17:20.07 | Franklin | running "gst-launch filesrc location="/home/franklin/Downloads/test.avi" ! codebin2 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! autoaudiosink" only gives me audio, video isn't showing up, am I missing something? please help. |
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| 17:25.39 | pha | gst-launch filesrc location=video.avi ! |
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| 17:53.14 | squisher | hey folks, I'm wondering why libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 is at -4 and amd64 at -3 without an upload in sight... I can't install them both at the same time it seems |
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| 17:55.33 | somiaj | squisher: have you ran and apt-get update |
| 17:55.48 | squisher | somiaj, yes |
| 17:55.53 | somiaj | is this for stable? |
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| 17:55.58 | squisher | no, it's sid |
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| 17:56.35 | somiaj | have you checked the bts? Yea sid sometimes does things like that, maybe check the changelogs too |
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| 17:56.58 | squisher | yeah, nothing in either |
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| 18:00.23 | somiaj | well the qa page has both the -3 and -4 version being uploaded and the dates, it could be something fails in the build script because the matainer need only upload one arch then he others are built from the source package. |
| 18:00.31 | somiaj | http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
| 18:01.44 | squisher | somiaj, thanks, I didn't check that page yet. I wonder if there are build logs somewhere |
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| 18:02.24 | squisher | found it. Status Needs-Build ?? |
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| 18:03.24 | squisher | but the logs say it actually was built correctly... puh, I'm confused as to what this all means :) |
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| 18:04.27 | aximilat1on | Hey everybody, wondering if I could pick a couple of minds here... |
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| 18:05.13 | aximilat1on | I'm running ispconfig 3 on debian, with nginx, and I've rammed my head against the wall trying to get ioncube installed, config files, extensions, etc, just not going, anybody have time for some q/a? |
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| 18:23.19 | jhutchins | !free whcp |
| 18:23.20 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 18:23.45 | jhutchins | !ISPConfig |
| 18:23.46 | dpkg | ISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license. http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 18:25.07 | jhutchins | I had to support a webmin system for a while. Really glad I don't any more. |
| 18:25.33 | wh-hw | debian 7.1 hasn't livecd ? |
| 18:25.38 | wh-hw | hello |
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| 18:31.37 | eb0t | hi i have just set up a static ip address and gateway etc. in resolv.conf |
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| 18:31.54 | eb0t | i want to know how i can get them implemented without logigin g in and out |
| 18:32.00 | jhutchins | !live |
| 18:32.00 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:32.17 | eb0t | if i do an ip addr ...it still shows the old address |
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| 18:32.20 | jhutchins | wh-hw: The installer images are supposed to be hybrid live imaegs too. |
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| 18:33.43 | mumpitzel | eb0t: resolv.conf is the wrong place for this. read man interfaces |
| 18:33.48 | jhutchins | eb0t: resolv.conf is where you configure the address of your nameserver (and optionally your default search domain). It is usually overwritten by dhcp. |
| 18:34.37 | jhutchins | eb0t: If you're configuring a static ip for your system you need to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:34.52 | eb0t | yes i have altered nameservers in resolv .conf and the ip and gateway in the interfaces file |
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| 18:35.27 | eb0t | but i want to get it seen by mys system without restarting or logging out |
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| 18:35.49 | eb0t | is there no resolve -u cmd or somehting |
| 18:35.59 | eb0t | apparently not |
| 18:36.14 | jhutchins | eb0t: The system should use the new nameserver on the next lookup, there is no persistent engine to restart. |
| 18:36.36 | eb0t | ah jhutchins...so it looks like a reboot or something |
| 18:36.42 | jhutchins | eb0t: No. |
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| 18:36.57 | jhutchins | eb0t: Do you need to apply the new address from the interfaces file? |
| 18:37.05 | eb0t | yes |
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| 18:37.14 | jhutchins | eb0t: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:37.25 | eb0t | wow fantastic |
| 18:37.31 | eb0t | that is exactly what i wanted |
| 18:37.41 | jhutchins | eb0t: If you're connected remotely you will of course loose the connection because the current ip will go away. |
| 18:37.56 | eb0t | ah no my debian is not connected |
| 18:38.04 | eb0t | until i restart |
| 18:38.17 | eb0t | thank you very much for the command jhutchins |
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| 18:38.28 | jhutchins | eb0t: Quite welcome. |
| 18:38.48 | jhutchins | eb0t: It will probably give you a warning, but I believe it will do what you want. |
| 18:39.13 | eb0t | no worries |
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| 18:41.17 | eb0t | yes jhutchins it said the command is deprecated and flashes some other warning but my ip has changed |
| 18:41.19 | eb0t | thanks |
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| 18:46.48 | phox | ok, the internet is not answering this, so can anyone tell me what exactly default-release in apt.conf -does-? |
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| 18:49.33 | Rydekull | phox: man apt.conf |
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| 18:51.12 | initself | syslog installs on debian by default right? |
| 18:51.23 | initself | or is it the syslogd package? |
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| 18:51.45 | Rydekull | default, yes |
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| 18:54.20 | blastwave | question : how do I disable all screen savers in debian other than just a blank screen ? I don't want the CPU intense opengl screen savers to run or for that matter, anything other than a blank screen. |
| 18:55.43 | jhutchins | eb0t: That warning is because other things like Network Manager also do networking these days. |
| 18:55.54 | mumpitzel | initself: I think rsyslog, but yes, installed by default |
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| 18:56.17 | jhutchins | initself: dpkg -l | grep syslog |
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| 19:00.15 | initself | ii rsyslog 4.6.4-2 enhanced multi-threaded syslogd |
| 19:00.50 | blastwave | question : how do I disable all screen savers in debian other than just a blank screen ? I don't want the CPU intense opengl screen savers to run or for that matter, anything other than a blank screen. |
| 19:01.19 | eb0t | nice one im all up and running now |
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| 19:01.49 | mumpitzel | blastwave: dpkg -l |grep screensave uninstall everything that shows there? |
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| 19:01.51 | eb0t | has anyone tried to use a different router at home over adsl ...and replace the sky router |
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| 19:03.06 | eXp`iRc|18529 | ciao |
| 19:03.10 | eXp`iRc|18529 | !list |
| 19:03.11 | dpkg | exp`irc|18529: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 19:04.10 | blastwave | mumpitzel, thank you .. I did dpkg -l | grep -i screen | grep -i save and see a bucket of them. Gnome stuff and KDE stuff |
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| 19:05.33 | blastwave | mumpitzel, ummm .. how does one go about uninstalling kscreensaver for example ? |
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| 19:06.24 | initself | i setup RSYSLOGD_OPTIONS="-c4 -r" but it doesn't appear rsyslog is accepting udp connections |
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| 19:07.49 | enthdegree | how standard is the XFCE flavor of debian? |
| 19:08.27 | SmashingX | why when I enter ls -l Do* it doesn't list directories that start with those letters but instead it list the content of the directories that start with those two letter? |
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| 19:09.12 | blastwave | enthdegree, I use xfce all the time. it is a desktop, not a debian version |
| 19:09.37 | phox | also flavour has a 'u' in it. |
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| 19:09.56 | blastwave | SmashingX, use ls -ladb Do* |
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| 19:10.27 | SmashingX | all that just for a simple task? |
| 19:10.29 | SmashingX | wow |
| 19:10.40 | blastwave | that is nothing |
| 19:10.51 | SmashingX | but the task ir really really simple |
| 19:10.52 | ompaul | man ls and have fun reading see you in a week |
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| 19:11.05 | phox | you could do 'echo Do*' |
| 19:11.06 | SmashingX | *is |
| 19:11.12 | blastwave | SmashingX, then the task is also really really simple to do .. a few letters and its done |
| 19:11.14 | enthdegree | blastwave: where do you go to find a list of package differences between debian live standard and debian live with xfce? |
| 19:11.15 | SmashingX | right |
| 19:11.19 | phox | and yes ls by default lists what's IN directories. |
| 19:11.24 | SmashingX | that's exactly what I was looking for phox |
| 19:11.27 | phox | and all you need to add is 'd' |
| 19:11.31 | phox | not the rest of that |
| 19:11.31 | SmashingX | but I forgot |
| 19:11.34 | blastwave | enthdegree, no idea .. I tend to install a simple base and then add stuff |
| 19:11.34 | SmashingX | thakns phox |
| 19:11.36 | SmashingX | phox++ |
| 19:11.38 | phox | if you want -l and not listing contents, you want -ld |
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| 19:12.07 | phox | dunno why someone is suggesting adding -a and -b |
| 19:12.07 | blastwave | and if you want ALL items in the directory .. oh .. no .. he doesn't .. oh well ... ls -ldb |
| 19:12.11 | grafdiffuzor | hi! how to navigate pdf contents (bookmarks) in evince 3.x? I mean there's no f9 anymore |
| 19:12.15 | phox | also if you specify arguments -a is redundant |
| 19:12.17 | phox | sillyass :) |
| 19:12.22 | blastwave | the -b is there to ensure that non-printable or special chars are properly escaped |
| 19:12.24 | phox | pokes blastwave |
| 19:12.48 | blastwave | receives the poke .. giggles |
| 19:12.49 | phox | blastwave: or you could have a UTF-8 terminal and prevent non-vaid-UTF8 filenames |
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| 19:12.52 | phox | ... which I have |
| 19:12.56 | phox | shrugs |
| 19:13.01 | ompaul | and the right way to get at the docs is to do this: info coreutils 'ls invocation' |
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| 19:13.16 | phox | I hate info |
| 19:13.17 | phox | :) |
| 19:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | phox, I guess -a and -b to add confusion :) |
| 19:13.20 | blastwave | phox, ya know .. I run with en_US.utf8 locale pretty much all the time but still run into issues |
| 19:13.42 | phox | blastwave: our data is stored on ZFS which is set to prohibit non-UTF8 filenames |
| 19:13.43 | blastwave | annnyways ... I find it very very safe to always just type ls -ladb |
| 19:13.51 | phox | because I am tired of tards creating broken filenames that break other things |
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| 19:13.55 | blastwave | phox, zfs rocks |
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| 19:14.01 | phox | yes. |
| 19:14.08 | blastwave | is an old old Solaris sysadmin |
| 19:14.16 | phox | ZoL here |
| 19:14.20 | phox | I hate SOlaris |
| 19:14.23 | blastwave | many do |
| 19:14.23 | phox | its C libs are infuriating |
| 19:14.26 | blastwave | but its there .. |
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| 19:14.48 | phox | so developing stuff on it is ridiculous because you have to wade through the maze of symbol visibility in its stupid C headers :l |
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| 19:14.58 | phox | bbl |
| 19:15.02 | blastwave | yep .. well .. if you need to comply with a bunch of regulations in the banking or insurance industry it does the job neatly with Oracle db etc etc |
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| 19:15.39 | blastwave | soo however ... the real question to me is how to really remove a package safely .. I am not a Debian linux sysdmin |
| 19:15.54 | blastwave | the concept of remove and purge seems counterintuitive to me |
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| 19:21.21 | toad_ | is there a calendar app on debian that is actually maintained and works on a smallish laptop? I was using Kontact, but KMail has a crashing bug that will never, ever be fixed because upstream is unmaintained. Evolution's setup wizard doesn't fit on my small laptop screen. am i going to have to write at scripts for everything? |
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| 19:22.48 | ziftex | Hello. |
| 19:23.05 | somiaj | toad_: I seem to get a few suggetions from apt-cache search calendar -- note you'll have to parse out some extra stuff. But looks like you have multiple options |
| 19:23.15 | somiaj | toad_: I don't use a calendar so I don't know which one I would like |
| 19:23.28 | toad_ | somiaj: all ncurses-based? |
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| 19:23.33 | toad_ | has a look |
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| 19:24.32 | ziftex | Looking for a diagram that show Debian vs. Windows build (where boot loader, kernel and DE is placed) Anybody can point one out? |
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| 19:30.03 | jhutchins | ziftex: They're not all that similar. |
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| 19:30.40 | jhutchins | ziftex: Bootloader has to pretty much go in the same place so the BIOS will point to it or uefi can find it. After that they're more different than alike. |
| 19:30.48 | ziftex | jhutchins, Well sure. But doing basic Linux training for college kids that have never seen Linux before. |
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| 19:31.19 | ziftex | Wana start of with Linux is not a "thing" like Windows. But also a concept. |
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| 19:32.45 | ziftex | But think I will just make up my own. Where they can see some of the layers. |
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| 19:36.34 | jhutchins | !sag |
| 19:36.34 | dpkg | i guess sag is The Linux System Administrator's Guide see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/, or say, in german. |
| 19:36.53 | jhutchins | ziftex: I started with O'Reilly's "running linux". |
| 19:37.22 | ziftex | Well need it in Danish and doing most of it myself. |
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| 19:38.10 | jhutchins | ziftex: bootloader is on the MBR on a conventional disk, kernel image is in /boot, modules and libraries /lib/modules |
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| 19:38.31 | jhutchins | ziftex: tldp.org does have translations, not sure how well Danish is represented. |
| 19:38.44 | ziftex | Well I know about the build up. Was just lazy :) |
| 19:39.37 | jhutchins | "Differences between windows and linux" gets a bunch of google hits that might be useful. |
| 19:39.39 | ziftex | I'm new at teaching. 1 month ago I was Sys.adm. |
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| 19:40.12 | jhutchins | I think the biggest difference I see is the find/buy/download/run installer Windows model vs. centralized package management in most Linux distros. |
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| 19:40.46 | jhutchins | ziftex: It's very rewarding. One "lightbulb just went on" moment will keep you going for years. |
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| 19:41.23 | ziftex | It's quite alot of fun. |
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| 19:42.05 | D[4]ni | Hey guys. 'free' is reporting that 979 of my 1024 mb ram are taken. The %MEM on `ps uxa` only add up to about 25-30%. What could I've overseen? |
| 19:42.45 | ziftex | No more then 3 month ago I did a complete new setup on Windows 2008 R2/2012 and Oracle Enterprice Linux. And now I have too explain what a router is so everybody gets it. |
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| 19:43.12 | italian-cruncher | D[4]ni, caching |
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| 19:43.58 | D[4]ni | italian-cruncher: No. |
| 19:44.00 | D[4]ni | http://pastie.org/private/mhpbvoe4cxtq0qy3eiusw |
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| 19:48.44 | D[4]ni | Killed some stuff, not better. Adding up to about 20% now. free reports 934M. |
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| 19:50.20 | D[4]ni | Screw that, gonna reboot that server. |
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| 19:52.25 | italian-cruncher | D[4]ni, pretty weird free -m you have there |
| 19:52.31 | ompaul | 1 gig |
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| 19:52.50 | ompaul | zero swap |
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| 19:53.03 | ompaul | it's a vm I'd guess |
| 19:53.04 | D[4]ni | ompaul: Yeah, normally doesn't need that much. |
| 19:53.07 | D[4]ni | 9 euros a month. |
| 19:53.23 | ompaul | D[4]ni: install this (it is not a java program) jnettop |
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| 19:53.55 | ompaul | D[4]ni: read what's causing your bandwidth to run in some destination and maybe that's your ram user |
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| 19:53.58 | ompaul | top is also useful |
| 19:54.06 | ompaul | there are many versions of top |
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| 19:54.36 | D[4]ni | ompaul: No suspicious actions seen on top. Can't test your program, since i typed `reboot` and it won't come back up :( |
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| 19:54.57 | ompaul | it might be having fun turning off the killer processes |
| 19:55.09 | somiaj | toad_: I see different kinds, some console/ncurses, some graphical |
| 19:55.17 | somiaj | toad_: you may have to play around until you find one you like though |
| 19:55.48 | D[4]ni | It's a virtual server. When I ping the IP, its host system seems to tell me 'destination host unreachable' |
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| 19:56.07 | ompaul | means nothing unless you are in control of the host |
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| 19:56.41 | ompaul | it might be stressed and it is not your fault - your apps might be sitting there trying to do stuff but the rest of the box is so wasted you can't get anywhere |
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| 19:57.08 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:57.12 | D[4]ni | It didn't seem to be a problem killing some processes by myself. |
| 19:57.17 | D[4]ni | Gonna mail my provider. |
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| 19:58.19 | D[4]ni | Or I'll phone them. They seem to have a free number. |
| 19:59.55 | D[4]ni | Oh |
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| 20:00.07 | D[4]ni | Just seen that I mistyped the IP. Damn |
| 20:00.13 | D[4]ni | It's back up. |
| 20:00.33 | D[4]ni | But still uses lots of RAM. |
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| 20:10.24 | nmpro | I'm having a problem with a cron job running.. It runs fine from cli but not as a cron |
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| 20:11.13 | D[4]ni | Lol. |
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| 20:11.30 | D[4]ni | ompaul: I called them, and as a "solution", they doubled my RAM |
| 20:12.14 | zykotick9 | nmpro: keep in mind, cron is running from a very "minimal" environment. for example, be sure to use full paths for everything. best of luck. |
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| 20:12.43 | nmpro | http://paste.debian.net/46849/ |
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| 20:13.13 | nmpro | zykotick9: yeah I provided full paths.. I'm wondering if it could be the script itself.. but I am using full paths in it as well |
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| 20:14.12 | ompaul | D[4]ni: that's not a solution ... but hey it is more ram |
| 20:14.26 | D[4]ni | Yeah I don't even pay for that |
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| 20:15.20 | guardian | hello |
| 20:15.24 | D[4]ni | ompaul: jnettop reports exactly one connection - to port 22 |
| 20:16.10 | guardian | does someone know whether there's an ongoing effort to bring php 5.5 to wheezy backports? looks like Ondrej was motivated at some point http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2013-May/012018.html |
| 20:17.08 | D[4]ni | guardian: Do you just want to use php 5.5? There are 3rd party repos for that. |
| 20:17.32 | guardian | well people here have warned me against dotdeb in the past |
| 20:17.51 | crash_ | use testing? :) |
| 20:18.13 | guardian | the server is already deployed with wheezy |
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| 20:23.38 | crash_ | ok, is there any things you need from 5.5 or is 5.4.4 still ok? |
| 20:24.12 | ompaul | D[4]ni: it's bandwidth will be low |
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| 20:24.24 | ompaul | D[4]ni: in which case good |
| 20:25.04 | D[4]ni | Yeah, that's my own SSH connection. |
| 20:25.56 | ompaul | D[4]ni: it indicates then the box is under some stress |
| 20:26.14 | ompaul | D[4]ni: and as I don't control the host I'll not even try to figure it out. |
| 20:26.24 | ompaul | D[4]ni: which kind is is xen openvz? |
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| 20:28.15 | twobitsprite | I'm having some problems hot-adding memory in wheezy running on vmware esxi 5.0... I bumped up the memory in vmware, but when I echo online to all the /sys/devices/system/memory/memory*/state files it says invalid argument for all of them and free -m shows the same amount of memory as before |
| 20:28.28 | D[4]ni | ompaul: It's OpenVZ |
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| 20:28.43 | twobitsprite | googling around I found a few bugs, but they all seem to do with kernel crashes, but that's not what I'm having |
| 20:28.54 | twobitsprite | dmesg doesn't show anything about the new memory and no stack traces |
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| 20:29.34 | D[4]ni | ompaul: It stays at the 1G used now though. 1G still free. :D |
| 20:29.54 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know how to exclude one or all dependencies from an apt-get install? the --nodeps options seen to no longer be available for apt 0.9.7. |
| 20:29.59 | twobitsprite | has anyone gotten memory hotadd to work in wheezy? |
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| 20:30.06 | nmpro | * * * * * is 1 min correct? |
| 20:30.22 | twobitsprite | nmpro: yes |
| 20:30.38 | D[4]ni | ompaul: Also my admin panel says there was under half a gigabyte traffic this month. Doesn't seem suspicious. |
| 20:30.50 | ompaul | D[4]ni: so it's a box under pressure |
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| 20:31.02 | D[4]ni | ompaul: Not at all |
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| 20:33.25 | jhutchins | D[4]ni: You need to run analog and/or google analytics so you have something to compare the traffic with. |
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| 20:33.38 | twobitsprite | atari314: you should probably modify the package's control file and rebuild it |
| 20:34.01 | twobitsprite | atari314: or you can create a dummy package to fill those dependencies |
| 20:34.26 | twobitsprite | atari314: check out the "equivs" package |
| 20:34.42 | atari314 | twobitsprite, ty for the reply, I'll do |
| 20:34.48 | D[4]ni | jhutchins: Me uploading new versions of my website does more traffic than visitors right now, haha. It's still under development and there's like 3 or 4 users |
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| 20:35.00 | gry | I understand a vnc server sends bitmap pictures and is high-traffic, like a video. Is such understanding correct? |
| 20:35.07 | D[4]ni | which I let in selectively |
| 20:35.21 | D[4]ni | So my access.log is sufficient :p |
| 20:35.21 | lobi | is OK to add ubunto source in debeian source and istall java |
| 20:35.22 | lobi | add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" |
| 20:35.23 | jhutchins | D[4]ni: Still, if you want good traffic numbers run more than one measure. |
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| 20:35.45 | D[4]ni | jhutchins: Google Analytics is also included anyway. |
| 20:35.45 | jhutchins | lobi: Only if you like having to do clean installs. |
| 20:36.01 | lobi | add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" |
| 20:36.21 | jhutchins | lobi: Good way to wreck your Debian system. |
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| 20:37.22 | D[4]ni | What the hell? One of the unique visitors (there's actually 7 of them!) on my page is actually an IE 6 |
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| 20:37.50 | jhutchins | D[4]ni: There is no such thing as security through obscurity. You are on the web. |
| 20:37.58 | lobi | jhutchins: how can I then install java |
| 20:38.09 | OpenTokix | D[4]ni: hehe |
| 20:38.13 | gry | ask him I guess, D[4]ni |
| 20:38.22 | D[4]ni | jhutchins: There's an .htaccess in front of that |
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| 20:38.36 | D[4]ni | with .htpasswd and all the stuff |
| 20:38.44 | twobitsprite | lobi: there are java packages in debian |
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| 20:38.58 | twobitsprite | lobi: java-runtime is a good place to start |
| 20:39.11 | jhutchins | lobi: You can either download it from IBM or Sun or you can use the Debian packages. |
| 20:39.13 | lobi | not for JDK by oracle |
| 20:39.14 | jhutchins | !java |
| 20:39.15 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:39.36 | lobi | no packages for wheezy |
| 20:39.58 | twobitsprite | lobi: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 20:40.03 | jhutchins | ,versions openjdk |
| 20:40.04 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in i386. |
| 20:40.21 | jhutchins | lobi: What twobitsprite said. |
| 20:40.30 | lobi | ? |
| 20:40.41 | rryoumaa | are there any image viewers that can randomly pan around an image? |
| 20:40.55 | twobitsprite | ,versions default-jdk |
| 20:40.56 | judd | Package: default-jdk on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.6-40; wheezy: 1:1.6-47; jessie: 1:1.7-49; sid: 1:1.7-49 |
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| 20:41.44 | lobi | jhutchins: here it say that i need sun JDK |
| 20:41.45 | lobi | http://docs.opencv.org/2.4.4-beta/doc/tutorials/introduction/android_binary_package/android_dev_intro.html#android-dev-intro |
| 20:41.48 | phox | bloody lazy-ass package maintainers |
| 20:41.49 | phox | :| |
| 20:42.14 | phox | filed a bug report over a month ago for something that is built broken and someone cannot be bothered doing the trivial "build it in a non-broken build environment" fix |
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| 20:42.53 | twobitsprite | lobi: openjdk will probably work fine... ~99% of sun java is in openjdk |
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| 20:43.17 | lobi | twobitsprite: thanks |
| 20:43.22 | lobi | jhutchins: thanks |
| 20:44.47 | jhutchins | phogg: You could always build it yourself. |
| 20:45.02 | jhutchins | phogg: Oops, sorry. |
| 20:45.07 | twobitsprite | drive-by complainer |
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| 20:47.32 | jhutchins | The few RedHat bugs I've had responses on took ~two years. |
| 20:48.14 | twobitsprite | lol... I think I've had support cases with redhat take that long :P |
| 20:48.22 | jhutchins | Mandriva was quicker, especially when they had their triage system working, but a lot of BRs get ignored with the hope that it will be magically fixed in the next relese. |
| 20:49.15 | jhutchins | I had an Oracle case that was a real joke. Guy could not communicate in English, even by email. I finally solved the problem myself and gave appropriate feedback. |
| 20:49.49 | D[4]ni | jhutchins: I didn't file that many bugs on anything. I just filed one on WebKit that they declared to be 'not a bug', but it is clearly one |
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| 20:51.04 | D[4]ni | And now they're ignoring my answer on that. |
| 20:51.14 | jhutchins | I haven't filed any against Debian - I run stable :) |
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| 20:59.41 | bean9 | I setup a raspberry pi with debian as a mini server. |
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| 21:00.09 | bean9 | I created a script inside /etc/init.d/ and made it executeable |
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| 21:00.37 | bean9 | after that I addid it to default runlevel with "sudo update-rc.d myscript defaults" |
| 21:00.51 | bean9 | the problem is that the service does not start at startup? |
| 21:01.31 | bean9 | 1.) where are the logs when starting up the server (I searched in /var/log/syslog but there are no messages related to that) ? |
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| 21:01.45 | bean9 | 2.) how can I make my script run at system startup ? |
| 21:03.33 | mumpitzel | !bootlog |
| 21:03.33 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
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| 21:04.35 | snollux | Hello! If I wanted to make a really simple Python .deb package, with the following layout (http://pastebin.com/J4y8yRJn) what would I need to do? |
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| 21:06.28 | funnyfingers | vi doesn't allow me to move around while in edit mode through ssh (putty). It works fine on CentOS and also works fine when using the console. Any thoughts? |
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| 21:07.03 | tbrock | hey guys, if i follow the ubuntu packaging guide will those debs install on debian as well? It seems much easier than the debian guide |
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| 21:07.50 | tbrock | Also, is the debian packaging guide current or is there something more state of the art? |
| 21:08.16 | tbrock | this is what I'm referring to |
| 21:08.16 | tbrock | https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 21:15.02 | Spec | tbrock: you should use lintian to doublecheck! |
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| 21:22.55 | bean9 | thanks |
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| 21:55.27 | grepper | Hi all. Does anyone know how to delete a folder (account folder) from Icedove? |
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| 22:04.48 | grepper | mtn: yes, tried every 'normal' way of doing it I could think of. Even moved the folder on disk to /tmp and restarted. Doesn't seem to be an option anywhere, at least that I can find. |
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| 22:05.46 | guardian | I have a beginner questions about ACL: whatever happens with ACL, root user can still access all files right? |
| 22:05.50 | mtn | grepper: if I right click on one of my icedove folders, I get a delete option, don't you? |
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| 22:07.23 | grepper | mtn: nope |
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| 22:07.43 | mtn | grepper: what kind of mail account? pop, imap? |
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| 22:08.19 | grepper | imap |
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| 22:09.16 | mtn | grepper: maybe it has something to do with how the account was set up. are you the admin? |
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| 22:09.53 | grepper | mtn: yes |
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| 22:10.15 | grepper | actually, I don't have that option of delete on my pop mailboxes either |
| 22:10.17 | mtn | grepper: then I have no idea why you can't delete your own folders. I can on mine. |
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| 22:10.51 | grepper | strange, this is icedove 17.0.8 btw |
| 22:11.32 | mtn | grepper: mine is .9, but it has always worked for me. for years. |
| 22:12.37 | pfred1 | what's the word? Thunderbird? What's the price? A dollar twice! What's the action? Satisfaction! |
| 22:13.45 | italian-cruncher | upgrading debian stable to sid. Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace wheezy with sid, right? Should I pass through testing first? |
| 22:14.09 | grepper | mtn: http://phebehouse.dyndns.org/icedove.png |
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| 22:14.44 | mtn | grepper: that is not a folder, that is an account. go to account settings. |
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| 22:16.45 | grepper | mtn: same with inbox. But anyway, there is nothing in account settings I could see to allow me to delete the account and folders - where is it ? |
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| 22:17.18 | mtn | grepper: at the bottom, account actions menu |
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| 22:18.23 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: there's no problem in going directly to sid, but what's the machine's purpose? is it your primary workstation or a test machine? maybe you would like to stick to testing to see if everything works? |
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| 22:19.06 | mtn | grepper: is that does't do it for you, I suggest you need to find a thunderbird channel. |
| 22:19.13 | italian-cruncher | drybjed, its a testing machine, no worries if it breask ;) |
| 22:19.15 | grepper | mtn: thank you! I was staring at that damn page for the longest time and it didn't register with me. |
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| 22:19.28 | mtn | grepper: good deal |
| 22:19.31 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: then go for it, use aptitue to see if there are any errors |
| 22:19.41 | grepper | :) |
| 22:19.55 | italian-cruncher | drybjed, I asked to know the right practice... so, apt-get dist-upgrade right after modifying sources.list is not a good idea? |
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| 22:20.16 | AlBaTrOs | hello people |
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| 22:20.24 | pfred1 | AlBaTrOs hi |
| 22:20.33 | AlBaTrOs | can anyone help me out with crontab on debian 7? |
| 22:20.42 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: I guess it is the "preferred" idea... I always just start aptitude and see what changes will be made at a glance |
| 22:20.58 | drybjed | you can easily spot conflicts or breaks and fix them too |
| 22:21.16 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: if you want to test apt-get dist-upgrade, be my guest though |
| 22:21.25 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: it's just a matter pf preference |
| 22:22.07 | italian-cruncher | drybjed, going for the apt-get dist-upgrade, its a backed up virtual machine ;) going wheezy --> sid, 1175 packages upgraded, 390 installed, 35 removed. I'm going for it ;) |
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| 22:22.32 | AlBaTrOs | what is the package for crontab? |
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| 22:22.46 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: good luck :) |
| 22:22.56 | drybjed | AlBaTrOs: cron, I believe |
| 22:22.57 | italian-cruncher | drybjed, not that it matters but the 'real' debian install for my primary workstation is debian stable ;) |
| 22:23.23 | AlBaTrOs | and that should contain jobs and tab? |
| 22:23.49 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: do you know about ansible? might be useful for doing rapid stable-sid upgrades :) |
| 22:24.01 | italian-cruncher | didn't hear about it before |
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| 22:24.12 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: puppet? chef? cfengine? |
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| 22:24.18 | italian-cruncher | nothing about this |
| 22:24.39 | drybjed | italian-cruncher: then look up configuration management |
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| 22:25.00 | italian-cruncher | drybjed, thanks for the tip ;) |
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| 22:26.09 | DrOwl | Hi Might there be some one around that could help with a (USB) Audio issue |
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| 22:31.47 | CygniX | here is something I noticed, when using, virtio driver with KVM, grub fails, with wheezy |
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| 22:32.48 | onethfour | all you gnu screen, linux and putty users, how do i detach one of my screen tabs and reopen it in a new putty window? |
| 22:33.01 | drybjed | CygniX: virtio for disk? what disk type, raw, iscsi, qcow2? |
| 22:33.28 | mumpitzel | onethfour: ctrl+a, ctrl+d to detach |
| 22:33.33 | mumpitzel | screen -r to reattach |
| 22:33.40 | CygniX | drybjed: that is something I dont have an answer to |
| 22:33.42 | onethfour | how do i know what it is going to reattach? |
| 22:33.49 | onethfour | ok thanks |
| 22:34.00 | onethfour | no i have 2 windows open in screen |
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| 22:34.13 | onethfour | instead of switching between the 2, i want to open a new ssh putty window and get one of them |
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| 22:34.48 | DrOwl | I can not work out how to make my behringer bcd3000 be detected as a audio output device, its dected as an inputone fine though! |
| 22:34.52 | CygniX | drybjed: I just know because I tried on 2 different KVM provider and when the driver is set to virtio, i get grup errors every time |
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| 22:35.32 | drybjed | CygniX: maybe they have old kernel |
| 22:35.47 | CygniX | it is possible |
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| 22:36.19 | SPF | onethfour: so you have 2 windows in 1 screen session. In putty 1 you want to see window 1 and in putty 2 you want to see window 2? |
| 22:37.28 | onethfour | i want 2 puttys on the same screen session |
| 22:37.37 | onethfour | so i can switch to diff tabs in the same session |
| 22:38.53 | tlund | onethfour: what is your question? :) just .. do that then? |
| 22:38.59 | SPF | onethfour: use screen -x instead of screen -r |
| 22:39.05 | onethfour | oh.. |
| 22:39.15 | onethfour | sAWEEET! |
| 22:39.16 | onethfour | thank you |
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| 22:40.34 | CygniX | how do you get pass grub rescue, the commands seem veri limited |
| 22:41.04 | CygniX | ls, set, insmod |
| 22:41.22 | mumpitzel | you reinstall grub properly basically |
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| 22:44.06 | DrOwl | i know it works as a output device becouse i can use it via jack its juts not showing up as a pa device! |
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| 23:01.36 | BaT | Where I can ask about 3.0 (git) format for packages? |
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| 23:05.51 | AlBaTrOs | can anyone explain to me what should i do in this topic ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9992809/start-process-if-dead |
| 23:06.12 | AlBaTrOs | it's about starting a dead process when it crashed/dies |
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| 23:26.41 | Silent | Hi :) |
| 23:27.18 | Silent | I spotted that one of the boot services has failed to start, but it disappears too fast for me to read which one. |
| 23:27.44 | Silent | Can I prevent the login prompt from erasing everything that was before it, or read what failed to start in another way? |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Silent about bootlog |
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| 23:32.16 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 23:35.19 | DrOwl | arrr i found it, the Active Profile was set to jut "input:analog-4-channel-input" i chnaged it to "output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-4-channel-input" "pacmd set-card-profile alsa_card.usb-Behringer_BCD3000-00-BCD3000 output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-4-channel-input" |
| 23:35.43 | DrOwl | an extra 40 minutes google was all it needed ;) |
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| 23:39.27 | tgs3 | hello |
| 23:39.39 | tgs3 | is today a good day for hot debate about making debian awesome |
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| 23:40.28 | NetSecParano | isn't it already awesome? :-) |
| 23:40.59 | tgs3 | nope |
| 23:41.36 | tgs3 | so talking to other developers the conclusion was close to debian is not usable |
| 23:41.39 | tgs3 | on desktop |
| 23:42.16 | tgs3 | the reasons that triggered this conslusion is that we don't even provide a really good email client (GUI). |
| 23:42.49 | tgs3 | kmail has most feautures and would be nice, but has bugs, including crashes, making it shit for any serious/security use (do not use app that crashes itself with sigsegv) |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | ahem ... |
| 23:42.54 | NetSecParano | I can't answer to that, i dun use gui :-p |
| 23:43.18 | tgs3 | and bugs in kmail are not really fixed, because upstream says debian version is too old |
| 23:43.24 | tgs3 | so question, what can be done about this? |
| 23:43.31 | abrotman | fix the bugs .. |
| 23:43.48 | tgs3 | the user wants to use the distro that has good email, not write the fix |
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| 23:43.55 | tgs3 | he is developing java not c++ and bussy with other foss |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | so don't use kmail |
| 23:44.37 | tgs3 | all other emails appear to really be weak |
| 23:44.48 | tgs3 | thunderbird doesn't have half of the options |
| 23:44.51 | tgs3 | what else is there? |
| 23:45.03 | Vicissitude | claws |
| 23:45.10 | tgs3 | evolution, claws, also lacked dozen of options (and where buggy) |
| 23:45.13 | ctmjr | so write a new one |
| 23:45.15 | tgs3 | and other things are not even gui |
| 23:45.15 | abrotman | which options? |
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| 23:46.14 | tgs3 | abrotman: easy adding new accounts and IDs (thundermail approach to separate "servers" and sending servers is breaindead), easy quick search, very good support for pgp |
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| 23:46.54 | abrotman | uhm, they're both easy to add new accounts |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | and last i looked, they both support easy use of PGP |
| 23:47.14 | abrotman | GPG |
| 23:47.23 | tgs3 | abrotman: thunderbird had bugs in pgp attachments |
| 23:47.48 | tgs3 | and kamil is the best when it comes to showing which part is signed, which is encypted, esp. if you forward or include other signed message |
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| 23:47.51 | abrotman | gpg, stop saying pgp |
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| 23:50.34 | abrotman | tgs3: have you tried evolution? |
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| 23:51.27 | jiohdi | its against his religion :) |
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| 23:52.06 | Vicissitude | he may be ready for mutt |
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| 23:55.05 | tgs3 | Vicissitude: I want comfotable gui |
| 23:55.12 | tgs3 | jiohdi: what the fuck? ;) |
| 23:55.28 | jiohdi | j/k |
| 23:55.34 | abrotman | tgs3: have you tried evolution? |
| 23:55.36 | tgs3 | abrotman: not since long ago and it was unstable |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | so quit complaining, go try it |
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| 23:56.58 | tgs3 | abrotman: though if it has bugs same as kmail |
| 23:57.04 | tgs3 | then it will be the same problem, wouldn't it |
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| 23:57.19 | abrotman | you haven't tried it, how would you know? |
| 23:57.21 | tgs3 | maybe backporting is a solution? |
| 23:57.33 | tgs3 | abrotman: because it's not just 1 bug in 1 application |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | okay, don't try it .. keep doing what you're doing |
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| 23:58.00 | tgs3 | abrotman: of course I will try it |
| 23:58.03 | Vicissitude | tgs3, what bout gnumail? |
| 23:58.07 | tgs3 | I already also use thunderbird |
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| 23:58.19 | tgs3 | Vicissitude: no idea. will try then |
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