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| 01:16.25 | petn-randall | tgs3: I disagree with you about thunderbird/iceweasel. Very usable for me. And config is also quite sane IMO. |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | petn-randall: thunderbird/icedove ? |
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| 01:36.06 | evanton | how do I find the name of maintainer and his email if I know the package name? is it some dpkg voodoo? |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | it's in the package description |
| 01:37.02 | squisher | apt-cache show PKG |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | though, why would you want to email them directly? |
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| 01:38.17 | BaT | file a bug |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | that's what the BTS is for, not emailing the directly |
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| 01:39.37 | evanton | abrotman: my question isn't a bug report |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | it's not a questoin we could answer here? |
| 01:40.04 | evanton | hey this is a good idea, it won't hurt asking here first indeed |
| 01:40.28 | evanton | so, the chromiumdriver binary doesn't work in debian wheezy |
| 01:40.35 | evanton | it claims to be part of chromium |
| 01:40.56 | evanton | my bug report stays not answered for two weeks already |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | so it is a bug report |
| 01:41.11 | evanton | chromium is in the debian repository |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | which bug? |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | chromium the browser? |
| 01:41.25 | evanton | i wanted to ask why chromiumdriver isn't in the repository as well |
| 01:41.45 | evanton | i meant the binary that is available for download from the chromiumdriver project directly |
| 01:42.00 | evanton | i don't think debian is responsible for that binary not working |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | where do you download it? |
| 01:42.14 | evanton | abrotman: yes, chromium the browser |
| 01:42.31 | evanton | http://code.google.com/p/chromedriver/downloads/list |
| 01:42.52 | evanton | this is my bug report to them http://code.google.com/p/chromedriver/issues/detail?id=530 |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | perhaps the maintainer didn't feel it was stable, or didn't think it was useful ? |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | evanton: probably what you really want is an RFP bug |
| 01:43.29 | cusco | rfp? |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | request for package |
| 01:43.35 | evanton | i have no clue what RFP is |
| 01:43.36 | cusco | ah |
| 01:44.10 | evanton | abrotman: i'm not sure such a request would be appropriate, given my limited knowledge about the subject |
| 01:44.26 | evanton | maybe the chromedriver can't be packaged for debian because of some license issues idk |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | i don't see an ITP or RFP about chromiumdriver |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | evanton: i didn't see a license on the page, hvae a URL? |
| 01:44.48 | evanton | that's what i wanted to ask the chromium package maintaner about, he certainly knows more than me about this |
| 01:45.00 | evanton | abrotman: they claim chromiumdriver is part of chromium |
| 01:45.08 | levlaz | evanton: Here is your problem I think.. in your bug report it says that glibc was not found.. |
| 01:45.12 | levlaz | and requires version 2.15 |
| 01:45.13 | evanton | i don't know if that means chromiumdriver is the same license |
| 01:45.21 | levlaz | Wheezy only has 2.13 so even if you installed it it may not work. |
| 01:45.36 | evanton | i'd be happy to try compiling from source, but i also failed to find a sane howto about that |
| 01:45.53 | evanton | their docs point to some notes about compiling chromium, not chromedriver |
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| 01:46.53 | dondelelcaro | levlaz: that just means that you have to recompile it |
| 01:47.21 | levlaz | There is thread about this here as well, which does not seem very promising. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10863613/how-to-upgrade-glibc-from-version-2-13-to-2-15-on-debian |
| 01:47.44 | evanton | levlaz: i strongly believe that messing the OS because a package doesn't work is a bad idea |
| 01:47.52 | levlaz | I don't think its a bug - you have an unmet dependecy ... and from the looks of it , it will not be resolved easily |
| 01:48.06 | dondelelcaro | evanton: I'm pretty sure that chromedriver is a separate project from chromium, but in any event, you should be able to find the source and build it |
| 01:48.06 | evanton | it's open source, it should be compiled against libraries that ship with the OS |
| 01:48.07 | levlaz | evanton, I agree with you |
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| 01:48.17 | evanton | most likely they compiled the binary on a different setup |
| 01:48.18 | levlaz | But per your bug report ... |
| 01:48.27 | levlaz | the problem is that you have an unmet dependecy |
| 01:48.33 | evanton | with a different version of glibc |
| 01:48.40 | dondelelcaro | levlaz: no, the problem is that it's built against the wrong version of glibc for wheezy. |
| 01:48.45 | evanton | which is the core of a linux system and i'm not going to mess with that |
| 01:48.47 | dondelelcaro | it's not a big deal |
| 01:48.54 | dondelelcaro | you just recompile against the right version |
| 01:49.01 | evanton | dondelelcaro: they ship a binary for linux. there's no info even that it's for debian |
| 01:49.02 | levlaz | that makes sense.. |
| 01:49.54 | levlaz | evanton: these are specific to the architecture not the distro... |
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| 01:50.58 | levlaz | dondelelcaro: that makes perfect sense, thanks ! |
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| 01:51.45 | levlaz | So the problem is that the people that provided this binary are obviously not using a 2 year old distro like debian stable so the package they provided is "too new" which is causing it to fail. |
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| 01:53.09 | evanton | levlaz: i understand the reason, i'm just a bit upset it's so hard to get any kind of workaround :) |
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| 01:53.33 | levlaz | Gotcha -- now we are on the same page at least. |
| 01:53.34 | evanton | including some feedback from those who offer that binary for download |
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| 01:54.19 | evanton | i am really willing to try to compile myself by following some howto, because they seem to use some exotic build tools i've never heard about |
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| 01:55.44 | evanton | yet, a RFP could take months, i'm not too happy with that option either |
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| 01:55.45 | levlaz | Where is the source, I cannot seem to find it |
| 01:56.15 | evanton | levlaz: it's really messy, they just claim that the source code for chromedriver lives in the chromium repo |
| 01:56.26 | levlaz | I see... this sounds like a fun weekend project. :) |
| 01:57.37 | evanton | yet even if i manage to get the source, i have no clue which git revision i should use to compile so it would work with that chromium from the debian repo |
| 01:58.09 | evanton | assuming i'd know where chromiumdriver is in that sourcecode tree and assuming i'd know how to compile it (which i don't) |
| 01:58.16 | evanton | and assuming my ancient computer could handle it |
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| 01:58.45 | levlaz | Did you read this thread? Its ridiculous - these people are nuts.. lol http://code.google.com/p/chromedriver/issues/detail?id=454 |
| 01:58.50 | evanton | in terms of RAM and free disk space and all that, since it's a browser, i assume it gets fat while being built from source |
| 01:59.08 | levlaz | TL;DR "Sorry .. we were J/K about supporting wheezy... just build it yourself!" |
| 01:59.39 | levlaz | You don't have to worry about all that.. compiling source on your local machine is easy and fun.. we just need t find the source. |
| 01:59.56 | evanton | the wiki they mention contains hints about building chromium not chromedriver |
| 02:00.06 | evanton | this is it http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions |
| 02:00.13 | levlaz | Yes and the link they gave in that thread does not evern work. |
| 02:00.21 | evanton | searching there for chromedriver gives 0 results |
| 02:00.31 | levlaz | Yes, the whole project looks sloppy as hell |
| 02:00.35 | evanton | well i honestly tried to do my googling homework first |
| 02:00.47 | levlaz | the chrome-driver project .. that is |
| 02:00.47 | evanton | then asked in forums etc |
| 02:00.50 | evanton | waited for weeks |
| 02:01.15 | evanton | i'm close to the point of saying screw it and just give up and never get close to this whole chrome trap again |
| 02:01.27 | levlaz | No ... don't give up! |
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| 02:01.33 | ctmjr | https://code.google.com/p/chromedriver/downloads/list |
| 02:01.36 | levlaz | Have you checked out this site? https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/chromedriver/ this is where they moved their wiki to |
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| 02:01.48 | levlaz | ctmjr thats not the source |
| 02:01.49 | evanton | levlaz: the link above is from there |
| 02:01.57 | evanton | with linux build instructions |
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| 02:02.08 | evanton | the only problem is they don't mention chromedriver, just chromium |
| 02:02.44 | levlaz | evanton: sorry -- that makes sense |
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| 02:04.41 | levlaz | They should have thought this out a little bit better... leaving the code in the main branch just seems silly. |
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| 02:05.32 | evanton | that's why i wondered if it might make sense to ask the debian maintainer about chromedriver, maybe he already bumped into all this mess and knows a good reason why chromedriver isn't in the repo - a reason i could use as excuse to walk away to avoid further stress :) |
| 02:06.51 | levlaz | I think the problem is the same one as the glibc .. |
| 02:07.04 | levlaz | This piece was probably not a part of the "stable" chromium which is found in debian. |
| 02:07.19 | levlaz | It almost looks like this code is a part of the current build of chromium.. so you just get it if you were to install the latest version. |
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| 02:09.13 | evanton | levlaz: you mean that the chromium version from debian can be so old that there was no chromedriver in the sourcecode yet then? |
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| 02:09.18 | levlaz | Yes |
| 02:09.23 | levlaz | thats exactly the problem I suspect |
| 02:09.47 | levlaz | However -- perhaps there is a backport of the latest version? |
| 02:10.00 | levlaz | Or a version that works.. |
| 02:10.06 | evanton | i can get chromedriver to work in another distro, but i need it to work in debian wheezy :S |
| 02:10.15 | levlaz | Which distro does it work in? |
| 02:10.45 | levlaz | You can get it to work in Wheezy if a) there is a backport and it is included b) you upgrade glibc (which you already said you don't want to do) |
| 02:10.54 | evanton | an older version of the driver for an older version of chromium (older as in not the latest that comes from the chromium project) works on slackware |
| 02:11.14 | levlaz | Hmm.. |
| 02:11.22 | levlaz | What is the version of the driver? |
| 02:11.41 | evanton | slackware has glibc 2.15 though |
| 02:11.45 | levlaz | Ah.. |
| 02:11.58 | evanton | so that's the reason why it works there |
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| 02:14.48 | levlaz | evanton -- I lied , this is kind of wierd but chromium in stable is like version 29 which is pretty darn new. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chromium |
| 02:15.23 | levlaz | So, I think at this point your only option would be to follow the crazy instructions on how to pull the source out and recompiile... or install glibc 2.15 |
| 02:15.45 | evanton | levlaz: there are no instructions on how to recompile, i didn't find them :( |
| 02:15.54 | levlaz | Evanton ... that link in the wiki |
| 02:15.56 | evanton | there are instructions on how to compile chrome |
| 02:16.05 | evanton | chrome/chromium, but not chromedriver |
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| 02:16.54 | levlaz | those are the "instructions" ... according to them you just need to run the steps int hat sheet not encessarily compile chrome |
| 02:16.57 | levlaz | chromium* |
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| 02:17.35 | evanton | which instructions again? |
| 02:17.45 | evanton | you mean these? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions |
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| 02:18.10 | levlaz | yes |
| 02:18.16 | levlaz | however, it is not really clear where to stop |
| 02:18.50 | evanton | search for "chromedriver" there |
| 02:19.02 | evanton | i found nothing |
| 02:19.20 | evanton | nothing that would look like a build target that can be specified explicitly |
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| 02:20.42 | levlaz | Yes.. it has nothing to do with chromedriver explicitely.. but supposedlly if you follow those steps your system will "magically" work.. from the website... " once you have checked out the code ... look for In your source checkout, see src/chrome/test/chromedriver/README.txt " for instructions on how to build it |
| 02:21.03 | evanton | hmm |
| 02:21.07 | levlaz | So you need the file.. which is contained int he code.. and you need to tcode to recompile |
| 02:21.10 | levlaz | does that make sense? |
| 02:21.25 | levlaz | So you are just checking out in order to get the necessary code and the instructions. |
| 02:21.32 | levlaz | I have no idea why they could not have posted that file somewhere else. :/ |
| 02:21.37 | evanton | yes, as log as that readme will tell me which revision should i try to compile from to match the chromium version from debian |
| 02:22.21 | evanton | indeed, i understand that these people give me the option to use some piece of software without having to pay, yet this whole obscurity is very frustrating |
| 02:22.23 | levlaz | I think it does not matter.. you just need to complie chromedriver on *your* system so that the lib2.15 thing is no logner an issue.. this is only an issue with the binary. |
| 02:22.56 | levlaz | evanton: I agree, but after 10 years .. this is one of the most frustrating/stupid cases I have seen.. this is an exception and not the rule. |
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| 02:23.43 | evanton | sure, and this being the exception just makes it even more frustrating |
| 02:24.02 | evanton | the usual small free software is configure/make/build the package |
| 02:24.06 | evanton | or cmake, whatever |
| 02:24.11 | levlaz | Yes |
| 02:25.24 | evanton | this is the file in question https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch#chromium/src/chrome/test/chromedriver/README.txt&q=file:chromedriver/README.txt&sq=package:chromium&l=1 |
| 02:25.46 | evanton | "Build ChromeDriver by building the 'chromedriver' target." |
| 02:25.49 | evanton | shrugs |
| 02:25.53 | evanton | this tells me nothing |
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| 02:30.06 | epitamizor | would it be paranoid to think that a certain mouse manufacturer installs a click counter, and once reached, activates a pseudo-clickability bug that drives people to buy a mouse again |
| 02:30.27 | levlaz | epitamizor: I would believe it. :) |
| 02:30.46 | epitamizor | intel does similar to their new cpu's |
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| 02:31.28 | evanton | epitamizor: maybe all it takes is to open the mouse and clean it? |
| 02:31.37 | LtL | epitamizor: can you prove that, because i believe that may be illegal. |
| 02:31.47 | epitamizor | with all that functionality that requires firmware I wouldn't doubt it is possible |
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| 02:32.15 | epitamizor | can you guys help prove that then |
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| 02:32.51 | epitamizor | i know electronics but not that good |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | epitamizor: how is this related to Debian? |
| 02:33.30 | LtL | epitamizor: intel would be liable to huge lawsuits if that were true./end ot |
| 02:33.37 | epitamizor | debian is open source |
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| 02:33.45 | abrotman | not open mouse? |
| 02:34.02 | epitamizor | install debian on my mouse? |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | epitamizor: this channel is for Debian support |
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| 02:34.40 | epitamizor | is there way to jailbreak mouse |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | epitamizor: do you have a question related to Debian? |
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| 02:35.10 | epitamizor | I use debian with mouse |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | epitamizor: do you have a question related to Debian? |
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| 02:36.05 | Elephant454 | Wait... Jailbreak mouse? |
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| 02:38.38 | epitamizor | mouse is clicking randomly so I think the bug is activated so I need to know |
| 02:38.59 | Elephant454 | Oh, ok. That is not a jailbreak. |
| 02:39.14 | Elephant454 | The term jailbreak just confuses me in general. |
| 02:39.16 | Th0masR0ss | Then get a new mouse. |
| 02:39.27 | Elephant454 | Well, it could be software related, maybe. |
| 02:39.39 | Elephant454 | Have you tried different mice, and had the same problem? |
| 02:39.45 | epitamizor | no, happens all different OS also |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | epitamizor: please use ##hardware for hardware problems |
| 02:40.10 | Elephant454 | Probably not a Debian related problem then. We can't really help you. |
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| 03:00.27 | Guest52245 | hello all, Im tired of ubuntu and not vey happy with mint ... How do I know if debian is for me? which windows manager does it user by default? TIA! |
| 03:01.28 | Elephant454 | What I am doing at the minute, is I did a network install, and didn't choose to install a GUI. |
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| 03:01.46 | Elephant454 | I then installed all of the components necesesary for a GUI myself. |
| 03:02.16 | Elephant454 | It gives a much higher ammount of customizability than the preset desktop environment configurations that Ubuntu offers. I am really loving it. |
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| 03:03.19 | Elephant454 | Debian is pretty similar to Ubuntu, just without all of the political struggle that comes with it. |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | Guest52245: it uses the ones you install |
| 03:03.34 | Elephant454 | Yep, exactly. |
| 03:03.44 | Guest52245 | that sounds like too techi for me, Elephant454 |
| 03:04.10 | Elephant454 | Here let me try to get a better understanding of where you are on your Linux journey. |
| 03:04.14 | Guest52245 | Guest52245, but is there a default? can I use gnome, for example? |
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| 03:04.21 | Elephant454 | It only has to be as technical as you want it to get. |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | Guest52245: you can use gnome3, yes |
| 03:04.49 | Guest52245 | and is it included in the downloaded image? |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | if you get DVD1, yes |
| 03:05.05 | Elephant454 | The default DE depends upon which image you choose. |
| 03:05.39 | Elephant454 | As far as the Live CDs are concerned I mean. Sorry, not the DVDs. My bad. |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | Guest52245: though we normally tell folks to use the netinst |
| 03:05.58 | Guest52245 | how am I to know? I love gnome for example, which image comes with gnome? |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | Guest52245: then you can install from a small 200MB image, download everything you need from the internet |
| 03:06.07 | abrotman | Guest52245: DVD1 .. i already told you |
| 03:06.37 | Guest52245 | OIC, netinst? |
| 03:06.43 | Elephant454 | The netinst doesn't have to be complicated though, you can just install graphics along with everything else. |
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| 03:07.25 | abrotman | Guest52245: nevermind, just get DVD1 |
| 03:08.10 | Guest52245 | im downloading small cd i386 for net install |
| 03:08.17 | Elephant454 | Just to get a better feel, what are you really looking for in a Linux Distro Guest52245? |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | or ignore me .. that's good |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Guest52245 about ig |
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| 03:14.48 | Guest52245 | Elephant454: I do web development and some design. From ubuntu I hate unity and the fact that nothing else really works. Last attempt at it was ubuntu studio but then xfce kept losing its configuration and things got really ugly today. I completely removed xfce and then tried installing gnome 3.8 and now my computer starts and I see nothing. I don't want to give up, but I don't want these... |
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| 03:14.50 | Guest52245 | ...kind of things happening to me every month or so. I never had these issues with ... until ubuntu moved to unity |
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| 03:26.03 | mogglebam | Hi. I know that debian has fuse support for ZFS, but what's the best filesystem if I care about data integrity? |
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| 03:26.09 | mogglebam | Currently I'm running debian 7 ext4 |
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| 03:42.50 | fortress_ | hello, i'm having trouble formatting a truecrypt partition to a different filesystem in Debian |
| 03:43.09 | fortress_ | when I use mkfs.ext4, it returns the error "device size reported to be zero" |
| 03:43.36 | vyadhaka | what is the status of btrfs in debain stable, I was considering using it for a back up server, I read that as long as I keep updating to the latest kernel, it should be fine. Any suggestions |
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| 03:58.10 | abrotman | maybve just not updated yet |
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| 03:59.28 | fortress_ | i have a truecrypt partition on a disk, and the system seems to see it as a file or directory rather than a real partition |
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| 04:21.10 | blubberdiblub | vyadhaka, you could look at https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Changelog to see what kernel you need at a minimum and then either go for the default wheezy kernel or use one from backports, as required |
| 04:22.27 | blubberdiblub | vyadhaka, grub in wheezy works fine even with lzo compressed files on btrfs |
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| 04:24.13 | blubberdiblub | vyadhaka, also read https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Is_btrfs_stable.3F |
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| 04:24.58 | vyadhaka | blubberdiblub: I had arch installed with btrfs but for a backup server arch is not what I am looking for. |
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| 04:30.27 | blubberdiblub | vyadhaka, debian has the tools to handle btrfs, grub in debian is up to handling btrfs, even having root on a subvolume, all there's left for you is evaluating if btrfs in its current state is fit for your task. the links i gave you may help you |
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| 04:30.54 | vyadhaka | blubberdiblub: reading them now |
| 04:30.57 | vyadhaka | thank you |
| 04:31.06 | blubberdiblub | vyadhaka, also https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas |
| 04:34.42 | blubberdiblub | vyadhaka, and if you decide you need a kernel version greater than 3.2, you can get 3.9 or 3.10 by using backports without installing external stuff or compiling it yourself |
| 04:35.50 | blubberdiblub | !tell vyadhaka -about debian-backports |
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| 04:56.01 | rryoumaa | how do i change the double-click time on most applications? i haven't been able to do so for deluge yet. is there a qt setting someplace? |
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| 05:54.10 | cortexA9 | hello there is a daily of debian ? |
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| 05:55.43 | cortexA9 | i'm looking for a daily iso |
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| 05:56.46 | cortexA9 | oh found it |
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| 06:28.36 | somiaj | cortexA9: what version of debian do you want to install? |
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| 06:31.12 | cortexA9 | somiaj: i am looking for a daily live |
| 06:31.18 | cortexA9 | only to try it |
| 06:31.57 | somiaj | ahh okay. (: |
| 06:33.13 | Devastator | I have dual boot and grub manages boot, I had to reinstall windows which overwrote grub on mbr, I've tried to boot a rescue cd, but when I do grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda I get grub stage1 not read correctly |
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| 06:33.47 | Devastator | does anybody have a suggestion? I also tried to change boot flag from windows partition to linux, but it gives the same error |
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| 06:34.07 | Devastator | and /mnt is my / |
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| 06:40.27 | somiaj | !tell Devastator about fixmbr |
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| 06:41.46 | somiaj | Devastator: you should follow that mount /dev and /proc inside your root filesystem and then run grub-install form inside the chroot |
| 06:41.57 | Devastator | somiaj thanks! |
| 06:42.05 | Devastator | somiaj let's hope it works |
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| 06:49.25 | Devastator | somiaj worked! thanks! |
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| 06:51.20 | somiaj | Devastator: glad to get ya back into debian (: |
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| 06:58.01 | abhisar | default username and password during running debian gnaome live cd?? |
| 06:58.07 | abhisar | sorry gnome |
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| 07:02.01 | somiaj | abhisar: you shouldn't need one, and your user is setup with full sudo privlage and you can set up any password you want |
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| 07:02.20 | somiaj | abhisar: I looked it up on google once and there have been differences depending on what live cd you got. |
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| 07:03.19 | abhisar | no actually this is the foirst time wanted to use debian so made a bootable USB from debian 7 gnome iso and now when i boot up a login screen appears askinhgg for username and password.So i am stuck |
| 07:04.20 | somiaj | if you are using a debian live cd it should log you in when you boot. |
| 07:04.34 | somiaj | (all I have, have done that). If you installed you set the user name/password when you installed |
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| 07:04.51 | abhisar | ya i know this.But in my case it doesnt.So needed help |
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| 07:05.07 | mategr | abhisar:try username=debian, pass=debian or username=live, pass=live |
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| 07:07.08 | abhisar | @somiaj : i have got this one debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop |
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| 07:09.23 | Devastator | somiaj where should I post for debian team update this: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover and this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html ? |
| 07:10.55 | somiaj | Devastator: the wiki is updated by users so I think you can fix it, as for the documentation it is correct |
| 07:11.24 | somiaj | Devastator: you must have not followed though, because if you would have done as it said and picked the root file system it should have mounted it and put you in a chroot automatically. I think you skiped that step |
| 07:13.26 | somiaj | It use to be you told linux the root filesystem, but due to LVM and the likes it gives you a tool so you can load/mount LVM or other such partitions. |
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| 07:13.34 | Devastator | somiaj maybe not in my language, unfortunately the page loads according to the country I guess.. |
| 07:13.35 | somiaj | linux=rescue mode |
| 07:14.19 | somiaj | Devastator: make sure you read it correctly, but if you think it is a bug, I belive you can report documentation bugs (this doesn't mean wiki bugs), I just wouldn't know where. |
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| 07:15.01 | Devastator | somiaj no problem, I won't make noise for something that is not so important |
| 07:15.11 | Devastator | fixmbr factoid is great :) |
| 07:15.38 | somiaj | Devastator: "Instead of the partitioning tool, you should now be presented with a list of the partitions on your system, and asked to select one of them." -- "If possible, the installer will now present you with a shell prompt in the file system you selected, which you can use to perform any necessary repairs." |
| 07:16.19 | somiaj | Devastator: that is what the link you gave me said, all it does is give you an tool to select the root partitoin and then automatically mounts /dev and /proc inside and chroots you. So it is the same thing, just a tool isntead of manually running the commands |
| 07:16.48 | somiaj | nice thing about knowing how to chroot manually you can do it from any *nix live system that can detect your hardware |
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| 07:19.33 | Devastator | somiaj you are right, but I wish there was a rescue mode to select in rescue cd menu |
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| 07:19.57 | Devastator | there is only live, install, graphical install and advanced (hdt) |
| 07:20.20 | grosboulet | Hello |
| 07:20.25 | somiaj | Devastator: what do you mean? the installers containe a resuce mode. It just gives you a few additional steps to setup your LVM/RAID and select your root (and other) partitions |
| 07:20.50 | somiaj | Devastator: oh you have a live cd image? |
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| 07:21.36 | Devastator | somiaj not live, this one: debian-live-7.0.0-i386-rescue.iso |
| 07:21.52 | Devastator | well, kind of live :) |
| 07:21.54 | somiaj | yes that is a debian live image, it isn't an installer |
| 07:22.10 | somiaj | so it won't of course have the installer resuce mode as mentioned in the documentation |
| 07:22.34 | Devastator | but the rescue in the name is misleading, no? |
| 07:22.59 | somiaj | the rescue means it contains all default utilities someone would expect to recover a system. |
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| 07:23.15 | grosboulet | a script have a line that retourne 0 or a different code... In cron, the script script at this line but I want to have differents action with the error code ($?)... How can I do that ? |
| 07:23.48 | somiaj | Devastator: at live.debian.net you can see the package list of each image, so it shows you that there are far more diagonstic and system tools than a live desktop may have |
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| 07:24.31 | somiaj | grosboulet: well you would need a tool to read the exit code and then do what you want. |
| 07:24.35 | Devastator | somiaj so where is the rescue cd? I recall having one, or is it the installer itself now? |
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| 07:25.06 | somiaj | grosboulet: why not just program the script to do what ever you need it to do as opposd to having another layer? |
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| 07:25.22 | somiaj | Devastator: correct, the debian installers have always contained a rescue mode (at least as far back as I can rember) |
| 07:25.44 | Devastator | somiaj thanks, that is clear now |
| 07:25.58 | somiaj | Devastator: the issue is they were always a barely functional minimial shell/tools. So a livecd will give you far more tools to help in cases where you can't chroot into your system and fix things |
| 07:26.21 | somiaj | Devastator: i.e. the rescue livecd can do way more, but the rescue mode works fine on the installer if you can chroot into your root system |
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| 07:26.45 | Devastator | somiaj it could give a chroot mode in live cd as well hehe |
| 07:27.05 | somiaj | oh yea, plus you have a full live enviroment with tons of other diagnostic tools to help fix other issues as well (: |
| 07:27.16 | somiaj | you just have to do it manually (: |
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| 07:27.49 | Devastator | a simple shellscript would do :) |
| 07:28.29 | Devastator | it's hard to remember all the commands, I remember now because I just did, but ask me next week :P |
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| 07:30.59 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.33 | grosboulet | I lauch a script on another machine, if this script returns 1, 2, 3 or 4 it's not the same action on local machine. |
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| 07:33.14 | grosboulet | so if the script on remote machine not retourne 0, the cron stop on ssh line... |
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| 07:36.44 | grosboulet | second question, do you know an irc client that works fine with orca ? |
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| 07:40.47 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 07:41.28 | babilen | grosboulet: I have no personal experience at all, but I guess that all text/terminal based IRC clients would work well. I'd recommend taking a look at irssi and weechat, but don't know if there is any *specific* orca support. |
| 07:41.43 | mcgreg | does anybody know why minidlna will not start at boot - although there is a /etc/init.d/minidlna script and /etc/default/minidlna script tells it to start at boot? |
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| 07:43.13 | babilen | mcgreg: No idea, but take a look at /usr/share/doc/minidlna/README.Debian* and also /etc/default/minidlna in detail. I would guess that you have to enable it in the latter (which, by the sound of it, you seem to have done) |
| 07:44.41 | babilen | mcgreg: Can you start it with "service minidlna start" ? Anything of interest in, say, /var/log/daemon.log ? (or other logfiles, a "grep minidlna /var/log/*" might reveal something) |
| 07:45.23 | grosboulet | I'm using irssi but orca reads from the top of the screen for each new lines... So I continue with irssi |
| 07:46.14 | babilen | grosboulet: I understand, that is slightly suboptimal behaviour. No idea if there is anything better, but give weechat a try. |
| 07:46.15 | mcgreg | babilen: service minidlna start reports just nothing but after doing it, minidlna is working |
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| 07:49.22 | babilen | mcgreg: And you do have "START_DAEMON="yes"" in /etc/default/minidlna ? Could you run "update-rc.d minidlna enable" and try it again? Anything in the logs? It might make sense to enable boot logging and to check /var/log/boot*; Which init system are you using? Did you, mayhaps, run insserv or update-rc.d or related commands recently? How'd you install minidlna and which version is it? |
| 07:50.13 | mcgreg | yes I do :) |
| 07:51.16 | discovered | Is mingw-w64 newer version available in experiment or unstable repo please? |
| 07:51.23 | babilen | I would investigate along those lines, also check the BTS ( http://bugs.debian.org ) for applicable bugs if that doesn't yield any relevant information. |
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| 07:51.43 | mcgreg | installed it via apt-get the debian way / I see entrys in rc2 rc3 rc4 ... , thought did update-rc.d minidlna enable and will reboot soon to test it |
| 07:51.44 | babilen | judd: v mingw-w64 |
| 07:51.45 | judd | Package: mingw-w64 on i386 -- squeeze: 0~20100125-3; wheezy: 2.0.3-1; jessie: 3.0~svn6246-1; sid: 3.0.0-2 |
| 07:51.52 | Artej | hi, where do I go for troubleshooting with unstable? |
| 07:52.07 | babilen | Artej: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 07:52.13 | Artej | thx |
| 07:52.18 | babilen | see you there :) |
| 07:52.48 | Artej | oh, it's +i now |
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| 07:52.57 | Artej | here |
| 07:53.08 | Artej | read the topic ) |
| 07:53.08 | babilen | yeah, the channel is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
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| 07:53.24 | babilen | And reading the /topic helps, yes ;) |
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| 07:55.16 | mcgreg | babilen: rebooted - no change .. :( |
| 07:55.21 | mcgreg | I dont get it |
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| 07:58.37 | babilen | mcgreg: Investigate as indicated earlier; As a side note: minidlna doesn't look well maintained at all and has recently been removed from testing. There are also various security advisories that haven't been patched in the latest version (cf. #717131) and I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use it based on these observations. |
| 07:58.47 | babilen | judd: bug #717131 |
| 07:58.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/717131 in minidlna (open, security): «minidlna: CVE-2013-2745 CVE-2013-2738 CVE-2013-2739»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-07-17; last modified: 2013-07-17. |
| 07:59.02 | babilen | (not sure if they apply to the version in wheezy too) |
| 07:59.41 | mcgreg | babilen: I am using sid ;) |
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| 08:04.01 | babilen | mcgreg: Never did you say so (nor provided any answers to my additional questions); Please note that sid is typically support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic and conversation with Artej a few minutes ago) |
| 08:04.02 | grosboulet | I solved my problem. I launch script in crontab and not I cron.daily script... thanks |
| 08:05.43 | mcgreg | babilen: sorry, I didn't answer but didn't just about everything you told me, except the boot logging thing. |
| 08:06.00 | mcgreg | I mean I did just about everything you told me |
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| 08:08.52 | babilen | mcgreg: Frankly: I wouldn't touch minidlna with a bargepole after having looked into the issues I referred to earlier. Not entirely sure what is broken regarding booting though. Note that the CVEs are fixed in >= 1.1.0 which is not in Debian, but available from Debian Multimedia (which I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use either) |
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| 08:12.58 | jelly-home | babilen: debian maintainers thereof are a bit behind, I had to uupdate and build the thing on my own a few times already |
| 08:13.17 | jelly-home | (see how I evaded to say "lazy"!) |
| 08:13.32 | babilen | jelly-home: yeah, the package looks quite unmaintained |
| 08:14.34 | babilen | In particular in the light of those RC bugs. I mean c'mon, they seem to be fixed in a new upstream version that can't be that hard to package. Hell, you got it working with a simple uupdate :-/ |
| 08:14.45 | discovered | babilen, in sid repos gcc/g++ is not updated at all.. |
| 08:14.53 | jelly-home | babilen: and so did marillat! <g> |
| 08:15.14 | babilen | yeah |
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| 08:19.02 | Nik05 | discovered gcc is getting updated in sid... |
| 08:20.15 | discovered | Nik05, for mingw-w64? |
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| 08:21.13 | discovered | /usr/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-g++ -v : gcc version 4.6.3 (GCC) |
| 08:21.26 | Nik05 | oh wingw :P |
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| 08:24.02 | mcgreg | babilen: ok, I installed version 1.1.x and I will give it a last chance. thanks for your help and tips |
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| 08:32.24 | Waldgichtel | hi :) |
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| 08:32.52 | mcgreg | ok, minidlna still won't start ... odd |
| 08:33.06 | mcgreg | but I've pretty have enough of this |
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| 08:34.11 | Waldgichtel | one question ... I've isntalled debian wheezy when it was testing. Now, its stable .. have I to do anything to geht updates for my system? |
| 08:34.33 | jelly-home | mcgreg: it's pretty picky about errors in config file and ways it gets invoked |
| 08:34.35 | Waldgichtel | http://nopaste.info/c680f3ef86.html << if I run apt-get update it fails loading some repos |
| 08:35.25 | babilen | Waldgichtel: Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list as you seem to have an error in there. (wheezy/updates is *not* hosted on the standard mirrors) |
| 08:36.29 | Waldgichtel | http://nopaste.info/fbfcce7e5f.html |
| 08:36.34 | babilen | Waldgichtel: fwiw, a complete (and fully working) sources.list for wheezy that also includes wheezy-backports if you need it would be http://paste.debian.net/46976/ -- it uses the http.debian.net metamirror that automagically selects the "best" mirror for you. See http://http.debian.net for details. |
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| 08:37.23 | Waldgichtel | ok I try this list |
| 08:37.28 | babilen | Waldgichtel: Do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 08:37.59 | Waldgichtel | no, nothing in there |
| 08:39.12 | babilen | Waldgichtel: Your output doesn't correspond to the sources.list you pasted. In particular "http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources" should have never been attempted to download as you don't have that entry in your sources.list ; Are you 100% sure that you didn't edit your sources.list in the interim? |
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| 08:42.38 | Waldgichtel | I changed the sourcelist for testing another mirror, but i thougt I undo it :/ |
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| 08:44.48 | babilen | Waldgichtel: So you do not get that output/error with the sources.list you pasted? Either way: I would recommend to use the sources.list I pasted from which you might want to remove backports (having it in there wouldn't hurt though). |
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| 08:46.38 | Waldgichtel | ok ... should I use the source.list which you pasted? |
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| 08:47.00 | Nik05 | yes |
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| 08:54.02 | arietis | morning |
| 08:54.41 | arietis | if i have executable file in directory but console says there are no such file does it means i have no rights to run it? |
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| 08:54.58 | arietis | which rights should i set up then? |
| 08:55.25 | mumpitzel | no. it usually means you lack a shared lib it needs |
| 08:55.44 | tremon | arietis: if console says there is no such file, then there is no such file. If console says permission denied, it may lack executable permission |
| 08:55.53 | tremon | or no such interpreter/loader, yes |
| 08:56.02 | arietis | but i can see this file |
| 08:56.07 | mumpitzel | arietis: run ldd on it |
| 08:56.24 | tremon | or file, ldd needs the ld loader iirc |
| 08:56.26 | babilen | (and paste that output to http://paste.debian.net if you can't make sense of it) |
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| 08:57.11 | mumpitzel | tremon: file doesn't help at all. it tells you if it's a ELF, that's all |
| 08:57.26 | tremon | file will say if it's 32-bit or 64-bit |
| 08:58.28 | babilen | And include the output of "readelf --dynamic /path/to/executable" would also be of interest. |
| 08:58.40 | babilen | EGRAMMAR |
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| 08:59.21 | babilen | arietis: Please paste the output of "ldd /path/to/it", "file /path/to/it" and "readelf --dynamic /path/to/it" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:00.46 | tremon | babilen: don't you want readelf -l ? It gives the full loader path |
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| 09:02.26 | babilen | tremon: Ah, yes that too. I definitely want that in addition to --dynamic, so lets just make it "readelf /path/to/it", okay arietis ? |
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| 09:04.48 | tremon | on jessie, that would be readelf -dl. Running readelf without any option gives me the usage info |
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| 09:25.52 | discovered | babilen, any possibilty to get updated gcc/g++ of mingw-w64 please? |
| 09:26.09 | Miika-- | Hello, when I try to remove gnome-games package, it tries to remove whole gnome too. Why and how I could remove only that package? |
| 09:26.21 | mumpitzel | discovered: download the windows version of mingw and run it under wine |
| 09:26.32 | mumpitzel | then you get the newest mingw version available |
| 09:27.18 | levi501d | anyone familiar with the shutodwn process on kde? I need to stop the reboot process, the grayed out screen makes it so i cant click anything |
| 09:27.41 | mumpitzel | go to a virtual console and kill the process? |
| 09:27.56 | discovered | mumpitzel, I can do it on vm but i want to avoid these things really.... |
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| 09:28.19 | discovered | I don't use win though |
| 09:28.22 | mumpitzel | wine is not a vm |
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| 09:28.39 | discovered | i did not say that |
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| 09:28.48 | mumpitzel | ,v gcc-mingw32 |
| 09:28.49 | judd | Package: gcc-mingw32 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.4-0.1+b1; jessie: 4.6.3-14+8; sid: 4.6.3-14+8; wheezy: 4.6.3-14+8 |
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| 09:36.49 | vyadhaka | what is the importance of devfd |
| 09:36.56 | vyadhaka | sorry devfs |
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| 10:03.45 | mumpitzel | vyadhaka: devfs is long gone. udev |
| 10:03.48 | mumpitzel | !udev |
| 10:03.49 | dpkg | udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, the Linux kernel's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Ask me about <udev mac>, <blacklist.conf>. See also <udev rules>, <udev squeeze>, <udev details>, <dpin>, <devtmpfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev #udev on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:18.39 | matthias_ | morninc can somebody help me with my python progamm? |
| 10:18.51 | mumpitzel | !tell matthias_ about anyone |
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| 10:19.38 | matthias_ | !anyone |
| 10:19.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 10:20.32 | matthias_ | My Error Python: print inboxMessages['inboxMessages'][2]['subject'].decode('base64') IndexError: list index out of range |
| 10:20.45 | mumpitzel | !tell matthias_ about details |
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| 10:20.53 | matthias_ | !details |
| 10:20.54 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 10:21.02 | mumpitzel | !tell matthias_ about selftell |
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| 10:21.21 | matthias_ | sry |
| 10:21.40 | mumpitzel | dpkg messages you in private. read it in private too |
| 10:21.41 | dpkg | mumpitzel: are you using Windows? |
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| 10:21.50 | mumpitzel | dpkg: how did you know? |
| 10:21.51 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, mumpitzel |
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| 10:21.58 | mumpitzel | figures |
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| 10:23.26 | matthias_ | mumpitzel: If you know BitMessage. I want to code a client in python which loads inbox messages from the server. but i have some problem with the list where the messages are stored. http://pastebin.com/etbGMpvy at the moment it only displays the message with the nummer i type in. how can i code a for loop for all messages |
| 10:23.49 | matthias_ | mumpitzel: i hope you can understand the paste. |
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| 10:27.05 | mumpitzel | while I understand a bit of python, I don't get why this would be a question for #debian? it's not a debian support problem. I suggest you ask in #python |
| 10:27.30 | matthias_ | mumpitzel: but i am not able to register to #python |
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| 10:28.07 | mumpitzel | matthias_: /msg nickserv help register then identify to nickserv and then you can join #python |
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| 10:37.28 | JodaZ | does anyone know how i can use wheezy as a nfs server ß |
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| 11:13.45 | pertl | I use "upstart" as a replacement for "sysvinit" - however when I upgrade via apt it's all the time replaced back to sysvinit ... can this be avoided? |
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| 11:14.50 | italian-cruncher | Is it normal that all my fonts are totally borked system-wide before rebooting, after upgrading from stable to sid? |
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| 11:19.07 | q66 | hello, ethernet on my laptop stopped working after booting up today - on debian testing - here is the relevant information: http://codepad.org/3nIGgket any ideas what is happening? |
| 11:19.33 | q66 | i'm on a 3.11-trunk-amd64 kernel but the same thing happens with 3.10.3. |
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| 11:20.15 | q66 | right now i'm on wifi hosted through another computer |
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| 11:26.55 | danialr | i upgraded my squeeze to wheezy now i got Segmentation fault in apt-get i did rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives/* and apt-get install -f but doesn't fix |
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| 11:29.23 | italian-cruncher | I upgraded from wheezy to sid and it broke X, but must be some very lame error cause I can run startx from root and it works fine but it won't load automatically like it used to just before the upgrade. Also, if I try to do a sudo X -configure, it fails because 'numer of created screens does not match number of detected devices' |
| 11:30.13 | italian-cruncher | edit: it also works if I do startx from nonroot, actually |
| 11:30.34 | eLdiaBLo_GR | q66: go to NetworkManager Applet --> Edit Coonections --> Make sure "Connect Automatically " and "Available to all users" are ticked --> |
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| 11:31.28 | q66 | eLdiaBLo_GR, this is wired connection, unmanaged through nm; i tried commenting out the lines in /etc/network/interfaces and make nm manage the wired connection, with identical outcome (never gets IP) |
| 11:32.00 | danialr | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 11:32.00 | danialr | Segmentation fault |
| 11:32.20 | abrotman | italian-cruncher: so it's not broken at all? |
| 11:33.17 | eLdiaBLo_GR | q66: give me a sec |
| 11:33.35 | q66 | I found an interesting line in dmesg after grepping eth0, but not sure if it's any relevant: http://codepad.org/Yt2aAxXO |
| 11:33.44 | abrotman | danialr: that's not where the lists are stored |
| 11:34.03 | italian-cruncher | abrotman, seems working, sorry for being too fast in asking :) I didn't think startx would work properly even after a blatant 'configuration failed' and being dropped to a shell. What the wheezy --> sid upgrade still did, btw, is preventing X from starting automatically. I might fix this quiclky |
| 11:34.28 | danialr | abrotman: i think the problem is related to memory |
| 11:34.41 | abrotman | or bad disk |
| 11:35.14 | danialr | i free up memory and it solved |
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| 11:36.37 | italian-cruncher | abrotman, I solved the issue without editing a single config file. I did a dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and it said 'lightdm is broken'. so I did an apt-get install --reinstall lightdm and now its all fine and dandy ;) |
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| 12:00.07 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of abrotman) |
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| 12:03.47 | Monotoko2 | I've plugged an external device in and mounted it on a debian system into /mnt and I'm now root |
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| 12:03.54 | Monotoko2 | yet for some reason I can't write to the drive at all |
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| 12:04.22 | abrotman | what file system is it? |
| 12:04.44 | Monotoko2 | NTFS... |
| 12:04.55 | abrotman | are you using ntfs-3g? |
| 12:05.16 | Monotoko2 | that could be it, no I'm not... I guess I'm missing a package somewhere |
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| 12:05.30 | Monotoko2 | yupp |
| 12:05.31 | Monotoko2 | thank you |
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| 12:50.39 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 12:50.57 | Guest0643 | eans meora salleo |
| 12:50.59 | Guest0643 | loencua |
| 12:51.12 | abrotman | english please |
| 12:51.13 | Maiku-kun | can I ask about vsftp (in Debian :)) here? #vsftpd seems to be empty |
| 12:51.14 | abrotman | or not |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | Maiku-kun: in which version of Linux? |
| 12:51.49 | Maiku-kun | abrotman, Debian, already wrote =) |
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| 12:52.37 | abrotman | Maiku-kun: what is wrong with vsftpd, and which version is the package? (dpkg -l vsftpd) |
| 12:52.41 | Maiku-kun | well, I'll try :) |
| 12:52.49 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 12:53.26 | abrotman | there is that too |
| 12:53.28 | Maiku-kun | nope, I don't need anonymous ftp |
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| 12:53.39 | Maiku-kun | vsftpd 3.0.2-3 here |
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| 12:54.10 | xand | Maiku-kun: all ftp is effectively anonymous |
| 12:54.15 | q66 | my ethernet problem is solved |
| 12:54.16 | Maiku-kun | the question is whether I can restrict local accounts to browse filesystem via ftp? |
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| 12:54.45 | q66 | i had to compile and install the r8168 module from realtek's website; apparently the r8169 module contains a regression causing the chip to "die" on occasion. |
| 12:54.54 | abrotman | Maiku-kun:what is the actual package version? |
| 12:54.58 | q66 | after installing the module everything worked fine |
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| 12:55.31 | Maiku-kun | abrotman, what's wrong with 3.0.2-3? |
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| 12:56.33 | abrotman | Maiku-kun: because that would mean you're running an ftp server on testing/unstable, which is crazy |
| 12:56.53 | abrotman | Maiku-kun: or yoiu're lying about the package version .. which is it? |
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| 12:57.11 | Maiku-kun | yes, it's on testing |
| 12:57.30 | Maiku-kun | is this mean that I'm on my way? :) |
| 12:57.56 | abrotman | Maiku-kun: so you want to chroot the accounts? |
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| 12:58.18 | Guest0643 | donue wanllsoc cnes |
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| 12:58.40 | Maiku-kun | abrotman, I want that account username may see only one directory from ftp, not the whole filesystem even if he has permissions |
| 12:58.48 | Maiku-kun | is this the same as chroot? |
| 12:58.53 | abrotman | yes .. chroot/jail .. google "vsftpd chroot" |
| 12:59.02 | Maiku-kun | thanks, I'll try |
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| 13:04.24 | riot | ohai. is it possible to run the debian installer from a normal debian (i think unstable, target shall be testing or unstable) which is running from a usb-stick? |
| 13:04.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell riot about debootstrap |
| 13:06.14 | jiohdi | is there a safe way to install nvidia-drivers without borking my system? |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | using the Debian method doesn't work ? |
| 13:06.38 | mumpitzel | !tell jiohdi about nvidia dkms |
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| 13:06.55 | mumpitzel | jiohdi: and the debian method certainly won't bork your system |
| 13:07.13 | riot | abrotman: thanks, i'll try running the installer within a kvm, if that doesn't suit, i'll use debootstrap.. I'd just prefer to not do so many things (like partitioning) by hand ;) |
| 13:07.15 | jiohdi | I tried debian way from instructions on debian site, and it killed x |
| 13:07.29 | q66 | sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:07.31 | q66 | sudo nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:07.33 | q66 | should unbork X :P |
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| 13:09.21 | boudiccas | i want to upgrade my kernel to 'linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae' but i've installed odd files but it hasnt rebuilt grub, so is there one file that is installed that will pull in almost everything needed please? |
| 13:09.24 | jiohdi | what dpkg posted has " " things, should that be copy pasted or replaced with information? |
| 13:10.12 | jiohdi | like "my GPU" should that be replaced with some number? |
| 13:10.26 | abrotman | blinks |
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| 13:11.06 | jelly-home | jiohdi: no, keep it as-is |
| 13:11.31 | jiohdi | that looks exactly like what I used and it borked the system |
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| 13:12.21 | jelly-home | jiohdi: can you be a bit more precise with the symptoms? |
| 13:12.46 | jelly-home | "X does not start after reboot, here's my /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
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| 13:13.05 | jelly-home | "attempting to start gdm3 or X eats my kitten" |
| 13:13.08 | jiohdi | when I rebooted X was non-functional, got deposited to a tty1: prompt and startx said that nvidia was missing or some such |
| 13:13.37 | jelly-home | ah, some such. |
| 13:13.51 | tekzilla | yeah i stopped using gnome after losing too many kittens ;) |
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| 13:13.58 | jiohdi | I do not have a photographic memory, mostly I am lucky to remember my name |
| 13:14.01 | Dark_light | On wheezy kde starts the screenserver even if vlc is fullscreen and even if I disable all the display power management options, it used to be ok I'm not quite sure why it started behaving this way |
| 13:14.09 | q66 | jiohdi, how did you install the thing again? |
| 13:14.14 | q66 | sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver should do |
| 13:14.25 | jelly-home | jiohdi: you don't need to, that's why we have tools to pastebin files and outputs |
| 13:14.42 | q66 | also what gfx card do you have? |
| 13:14.47 | jiohdi | q66, no I used what came up when abrotman said tell jiohdi about nvidia dkms |
| 13:14.57 | q66 | that's just the kernel module |
| 13:15.04 | q66 | nvidia-driver is a metapackage that installs everything |
| 13:15.09 | jelly-home | !nopaste |
| 13:15.09 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 13:15.09 | mumpitzel | q66: no it's nore than that. read the factoid yourself |
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| 13:15.37 | jelly-home | jiohdi: can you use that tool to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 13:15.47 | abrotman | jiohdi: that wasn't me |
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| 13:16.03 | q66 | mumpitzel, well, kernel module + dkms stuff so that it can be autobuilt for all kernels you have |
| 13:16.12 | q66 | point is, he needs also the X driver, libgl etc. |
| 13:16.20 | jiohdi | abrotman, sorry, it was mumpitzel |
| 13:16.25 | mumpitzel | q66: have you read the factoid? if not, please shut up |
| 13:17.30 | q66 | the factoid says NOTHING about X drivers or libGL |
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| 13:17.46 | jelly-home | q66: and it does not really have to |
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| 13:18.00 | q66 | well, obviously, because it's about nvidia dkms :P |
| 13:18.09 | q66 | point is, he needs the other stuff too |
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| 13:18.18 | jelly-home | running that is enough to get nvidia running, with full GL functionality |
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| 13:18.51 | jiohdi | trying nvidia-driver |
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| 13:19.23 | jiohdi | got a warning that there is a bug report of a fatal server error segmentation fault unfixed |
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| 13:20.27 | q66 | jelly-home, ah right, it uses aptitude -r so it installs recommends too |
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| 13:20.32 | q66 | which implies nvidia-driver |
| 13:20.41 | mumpitzel | !recommends |
| 13:20.54 | mumpitzel | !why recommends |
| 13:20.54 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
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| 13:29.59 | jiohdi | nvidia-driver seems to be functioning, however I have to start at a tty terminal and type startx to turn it on, so something is not right |
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| 13:31.13 | jiohdi | its also defaulting to gnome |
| 13:31.19 | mumpitzel | then install a display manager |
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| 13:31.26 | mumpitzel | then install whichever DE you actually want |
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| 13:31.40 | jiohdi | I already have i3 installed and gdm |
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| 13:31.47 | jiohdi | so why is it not finding them? |
| 13:32.15 | jiohdi | do I have to reinstall? |
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| 13:32.44 | boudiccas | if i install 'linux-headers-3.10-0.bpo.2-all' will it pull down the '-686-pae' headers and the right image please? |
| 13:32.46 | nimbiotics | hello evry1. I just finished installing debian for the first time and it feels great. I have nevertheless one issue thats not debian related but I need help with: I'm usually very careful when I type passwords but I'm trying to sudo and keep getting invalid password. Is there any way to reset this password? TIA! |
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| 13:33.43 | jiohdi | nimbiotics, you have to add yourself to sudo first, its not a default in debian |
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| 13:34.00 | jiohdi | so use su and type your root password then #add-user yourname |
| 13:34.18 | jiohdi | #add-user yourname sudo |
| 13:34.32 | nimbiotics | jiohdi: with the # sign? |
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| 13:34.41 | mumpitzel | jiohdi: that depends on how you installed debian. if you didn't set a root password on installation sudo is set up automatically |
| 13:34.41 | jiohdi | # means you are at the root prompt |
| 13:35.00 | nimbiotics | got it |
| 13:35.17 | maxyz | It's also adduser without the - sign |
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| 13:35.48 | nimbiotics | it user already exists |
| 13:35.59 | nimbiotics | *says* |
| 13:38.37 | maxyz | nimbiotics: Please, take a cup of coffee and read the command again. :) |
| 13:39.10 | maxyz | In failure it shoud say: The user `foo' is already a member of `sudo'. |
| 13:41.18 | nimbiotics | maxyz: you guessed it: I havent had breakfast ... or sleep for that matter ... Got sick of ubuntu last night and spent the rest of the night installing debian |
| 13:41.18 | nimbiotics | maxyz: thats not what is says, im not using the command properly but I cant figure it out |
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| 13:42.33 | maxyz | nimbiotics: adduser has multiple uses, to add a user to a group its invocation is: adduser user group |
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| 13:43.04 | maxyz | nimbiotics: The error message you got is for an invocation of: adduser user |
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| 13:43.21 | Su7 | /ctcp/ctcp -proxy- IRSSIPROXY BACKLOG SEND |
| 13:43.23 | maxyz | Which tries to create a new user |
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| 13:44.18 | nimbiotics | maxyz, jiohdi: Adduser worked, it reports I was added to group sudo BUT it does not work when I sudo... |
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| 13:44.38 | mumpitzel | you need to log out and log in again for groups to actually work |
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| 13:45.05 | maxyz | nimbiotics: That's normal, the groups a user belongs is read on login. |
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| 13:45.40 | maxyz | nimbiotics: You can use the command newgrp sudo to launch a new shell with the added group |
| 13:46.00 | nimbiotics | keps telling me im not in the sudeors file ... do I have to log out and back n? |
| 13:46.20 | nimbiotics | maxyz: i closed the shell and opened it again |
| 13:46.35 | maxyz | That's not enough |
| 13:47.29 | nimbiotics | maxyz: that did the trick: Thanks!! |
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| 13:49.42 | nimbiotics | maxyz, jiohdi: Thanks to both of you |
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| 13:50.25 | boudiccas | i want to install ' linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae' from wheezy-backports but it says that it 'Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed'. there is no bug report against the 'image3-10', so how do i do it then please? |
| 13:50.48 | mumpitzel | you install initramfs-tools as well. from the same source |
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| 13:50.58 | mumpitzel | ,v initramfs-tools |
| 13:50.59 | judd | Package: initramfs-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 0.98.8; squeeze-backports: 0.99~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.113~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.113; sid: 0.114 |
| 13:51.06 | mumpitzel | see the bpo package for it? |
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| 13:51.23 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
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| 14:06.32 | jiohdi | I thank you all I think nvidia is successfully installed |
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| 14:12.38 | boudiccas | i'm trying to install a new kernel from wheezy-backports and also install radeon drivers from this factoid 'For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to |
| 14:12.39 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.33 | warptwist | Hi guys.. A quick question: Is it at all possible to have 2 domains (example1.com, example2.com) and have them redirected to the same ip, but not same port (example1.com --> 1.2.3.4:port1, example2.com --> 1.2.3.4:port2)? |
| 14:15.02 | abrotman | boudiccas: find the build log |
| 14:15.12 | abrotman | warptwist: which sort of daemon ? |
| 14:15.28 | warptwist | Any and/or all |
| 14:15.32 | abrotman | vague .. |
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| 14:15.43 | abrotman | you can't have all daemons listening on the same port |
| 14:15.59 | warptwist | well different daemons on diffrent ports |
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| 14:16.18 | mumpitzel | warptwist: no. domains and ports have nothing to do with each other. what you can do is for example use apache virtual domains |
| 14:16.39 | ithom | warptwist: if you don't do example1.com:port1 -> 1.2.3.4:port1 I don't see how? |
| 14:16.44 | mumpitzel | warptwist: resolving a domain doesn't give you a port, so no |
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| 14:17.14 | boudiccas | abrotman; the build log is at http://paste.debian.net/47056/ |
| 14:17.44 | ithom | warptwist: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 14:18.27 | abrotman | boudiccas: is the fglrx from backports also ? |
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| 14:19.28 | warptwist | Well, the thing is, I have 2 domains, and I want them to point to 2 setups of gmod servers on the same box. The only diffrence between the servers is the port. |
| 14:19.58 | boudiccas | abrotman; i dont think so, the command i used is at the beginning of /47055 and i didnt specify wheezy-backports for it |
| 14:19.59 | warptwist | and of course the maps and stuff. |
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| 14:20.24 | AVRS | Hi. Debian testing. I have DVD+RWs with UDF which I started using in 2006. They are getting corrupted now (unreadable sectors → files), so I took two other DVD+RWs and made UDF using the instructions from udftools (some of the times I specified 3 or 4 sparing tables though, instead of 2). A few weeks later, they wouldn't mount. I had used encfs on them, and once it seemed to try to write after unmounting, so I thought that was the problem, but it turne |
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| 14:22.01 | boudiccas | abrotman; will this work please? 'sudo aptitude -t wheezy-backports -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') -t wheezy-backports fglrx-driver' |
| 14:22.16 | ithom | warptwist: i don't know what gmod is, but either the client can specify the port and then both domains will work for both servers, or if it can't maybe your server software can do 'virtual hosts' much like apache !? |
| 14:22.49 | AVRS | Also, after re-formatting and erasing one of the discs (as described in udftools) two times, I've tried "strings" on the device, and found that among the UDF stuff, there are a few file names which I am not sure I've ever recorded on the disc. |
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| 14:23.26 | AVRS | Even if I have recorded them, they shouldn't have been left there after "growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=/dev/zero"? |
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| 14:25.07 | AVRS | Or does mkudffs write random data from RAM there? |
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| 14:26.07 | warptwist | gmod is Garrys mod. (a valve game) to specify port when connecting you have to do it with ip:port. Is there any kind of software to map domains with ports or port ranges? |
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| 14:26.55 | abrotman | boudiccas: try it |
| 14:27.05 | boudiccas | abrotman; ok, thanks |
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| 14:27.26 | jelly-home | warptwist: what do you mean by "map"? |
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| 14:28.54 | jelly-home | warptwist: if you're trying to determine open tcp services on a machine, nmap is a common port scanner. Don't run it if you don't have permission from the machine/ip address range owners, though |
| 14:28.55 | boudiccas | abrotman; zero output! aptitude finishes with this - '0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 46 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.' |
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| 14:30.02 | boudiccas | ,version fglrx-driver |
| 14:30.03 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; jessie/non-free: 1:13.4-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.4-3; experimental/non-free: 1:13.8~beta1-2 |
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| 14:30.52 | AVRS | On my UDF issue: has anyone seen anything like that recently? |
| 14:31.11 | boudiccas | so 'fglrx-driver' isnt in backports , and i'm already using the non-free version |
| 14:31.21 | ithom | warptwist: the domain just "replaces" the IP, the port still has to be specified so you won't be able to have your domains point to 2 gmod servers on your machine unless you tell people to specify the port when connecting. But then at that point, just one domain will work as well. |
| 14:31.46 | abrotman | boudiccas: so it doens't exist |
| 14:31.54 | boudiccas | abrotman; no |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | boudiccas: okay, then i'm not sure about the build failure |
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| 14:33.09 | boudiccas | abrotman; okay, how can i back out of the backport upgrade of kernel and revert to the previous kernel please? |
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| 14:34.17 | boudiccas | i'll file a bug report against the radeon fglrx-driver and wheezy-backports i think |
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| 14:35.35 | abrotman | boudiccas: just don't finish the install? |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | apt-get -f install ? |
| 14:36.46 | boudiccas | abrotman; -f install had zero output, so it appears that the kernel install completed |
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| 14:38.57 | boudiccas | so i'll just remove backport files for the upgrade manually |
| 14:39.15 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: you uninstall the packages from bpo with dpkg or apt-get |
| 14:39.39 | boudiccas | yes, will do one at a time thanks mumpitzel |
| 14:39.52 | mumpitzel | if your apt is broken and doesn't work, you can ues dpkg -r |
| 14:40.00 | boudiccas | i'll use apt-get although i didnt state it |
| 14:40.18 | boudiccas | no apt is okay and functioning as expected |
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| 14:44.08 | warptwist | Then can I redirect the doomains (example1.com, example2.com) to different internal ips (example1.com --> ext.ip --> 192.168.0.10, example2.com --> ext.ip --> 192.168.0.11)? |
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| 14:49.57 | Naphatul | is there a way for me to run up to date kernels compiled for debian such as "kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline" for ubuntu? |
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| 14:51.40 | drblarts | I have sid sources, but I can't apt-cache show pdfedit. Any idea why? |
| 14:52.03 | drblarts | !debports |
| 14:52.03 | dpkg | hmm... debports is a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
| 14:52.30 | maxyz | Naphatul: Are you using wheezy? Try wheezy-backports |
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| 14:53.18 | maxyz | drblarts: apt-get update is giving any kind of error? |
| 14:53.20 | Naphatul | maxyz: trying it out in a VM for now, i'm just updating to testing and i noticed that it downloaded the 3.10 kernel so that might be enough |
| 14:54.03 | drblarts | maxyz: no. it's just that there's just a package for a motorola arch it seems. dropped from debian i guess |
| 14:54.29 | macintoshtty | Good evening |
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| 14:55.44 | maxyz | drblarts: Ok, I use xournal to make annotations of modify some pdfs. |
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| 14:56.05 | drblarts | maxyz: does it support bookmarks and forms? |
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| 14:57.48 | maxyz | drblarts: No idea, I use it mostly to annotate electronic homeworks. |
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| 15:01.04 | maxyz | There was some support of pdf forms in evince (years ago), it was useless when I needed it, though. |
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| 15:02.03 | drblarts | maxyz: yeah, and it doesn't support bookmarks |
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| 15:07.48 | boudiccas | okay, grub updated to get back to original situation so i'm off to reboot |
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| 15:15.57 | italian-cruncher | can feh (the image viewer) be configured to load the whole directory when I click on an image? (so that I can switch from one image to the next with mousewheel). Is there a more 'modern' package thats similar to feh? |
| 15:17.42 | zykotick9 | italian-cruncher: fyi, from terminal "feh *.jpg" would load all jpg, and allow you to scroll between them. |
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| 15:19.03 | italian-cruncher | zykotick9, thanks for answering, I already knew that trick... |
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| 15:19.50 | italian-cruncher | I can't find a feh dotfile for config |
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| 15:22.03 | Naphatul | i switched everything from wheezy to testing in sources.list but it's failing to get testing-updates/* |
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| 15:22.25 | Naphatul | what do i need to change that to? |
| 15:22.28 | mumpitzel | testing doesn't have those |
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| 15:22.54 | hellyeah | hey |
| 15:22.55 | jelly-home | Naphatul: it might be a better idea to use "jessie" instead of "testing" |
| 15:23.02 | hellyeah | yhere is no package in debian for abap |
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| 15:23.20 | Naphatul | jelly-home: why? |
| 15:23.52 | mumpitzel | cause testing changes meaning over time. jessie is fixed |
| 15:23.52 | jelly-home | Naphatul: to avoid a nasty surprise when testing gets applied to jessie+1 |
| 15:24.37 | jelly-home | Naphatul: this is why you had "wheezy" instead of "stable" before you changed it |
| 15:25.27 | Naphatul | ah ok then i'll keep that in mind when installing it on my laptop, this is just a vm to try things out |
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| 15:29.21 | jelly-home | ,v libc6-x32 |
| 15:29.23 | judd | Package: libc6-x32 on i386 -- jessie: 2.17-92+b1; sid: 2.17-93 |
| 15:29.26 | jelly-home | o.o |
| 15:29.54 | jelly-home | idly wonders why that isn't libc6:x32 |
| 15:30.13 | mumpitzel | what is this x32 for? |
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| 15:31.41 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: it's a refreshed 32bit ABI |
| 15:31.46 | jelly-home | !x32 |
| 15:31.46 | dpkg | amd64 gives great improvement including an ability to directly address more than 4GB of ram, however for some algorithms the larger 64-bit pointers cause a significant slow-down due to poorer utilization of CPU cache. x32 allows 32-bit code on amd64 machines (only) that can use all the new features of amd64 including new registers. It was merged in Linux 3.4. http://lwn.net/Articles/456731/ |
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| 15:32.43 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: so libc6 when you run i386 on a amd cpu? similar to libc6-686? |
| 15:32.51 | mumpitzel | sorry, on a amd64 cpu |
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| 15:34.14 | Marius80 | hi |
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| 15:35.44 | jelly-home | er, no, not really. It's a whole new build architecture basically, taking good things from new hardware (lots of general-purpose registers, SIMD extensions) and making them available for use in 32bit apps |
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| 15:35.55 | Marius80 | hi |
| 15:36.22 | Marius80 | since the german channel is kinda dead, I'd like to ask my question here as well (cross-posting!) |
| 15:36.51 | Marius80 | after some years of using Ubuntu, I'd really love to come back to good, old Debian |
| 15:37.21 | Marius80 | There seem to be 3 good options |
| 15:37.43 | Marius80 | 1) Debian Stable (well, stable, but a little older software) |
| 15:38.05 | Marius80 | 2) Debian Testing (Rolling Release, not as stable, but kind of stable, new software) |
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| 15:38.40 | Marius80 | 3) LDME =Linux Mint Debian Edition (Semi-Rolling Release, sometimes stops rolling, heard it would be more stable than debian testing) |
| 15:38.43 | Marius80 | what shall I do? |
| 15:39.10 | dispersed | i dunno, i just use testing+unstable |
| 15:39.17 | dispersed | stable is too stable |
| 15:39.29 | dispersed | but it depends on what you use it for |
| 15:39.37 | dispersed | for a desktop, testing+unstable is better, for a server stable |
| 15:39.42 | harrison | is it forbidden to mention debian-derived distros? |
| 15:39.43 | dispersed | Mint, that I don't know about |
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| 15:40.16 | harrison | i have siduction which is deb unstable++ |
| 15:40.25 | harrison | the bleeding edge |
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| 15:40.38 | harrison | which does not heal |
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| 15:41.17 | Marius80 | hum |
| 15:41.27 | Coweater | run stable until you need new software, when/if you move to testing specify the release name (jessie right now) and don't switch releases immediately after a new stable release to avoid some breakage |
| 15:41.31 | Marius80 | so if i'd go with debian testing, I should be okay... shouldn't I ? |
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| 15:42.58 | Marius80 | Coweater, you might be right... can I see what PHP and firefox version stable uses? |
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| 15:43.13 | Marius80 | I think it's under packages.debian.org ... I'm gonna check that |
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| 15:44.20 | Coweater | backports are an option for a lot of packages in stable as well |
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| 15:45.07 | Guest78997 | hi. I'm not sure what could have happened, but XFCE isn't starting after logging in (using LightDM) |
| 15:45.34 | Guest78997 | I'll appreciate any pointers on how to troubleshoot this |
| 15:45.48 | Brigo | Guest78997: are you in wheezy? |
| 15:46.13 | zykotick9 | Marius80: (just a PERSONAL opinion) but i think you miss out on one of the best Debian features by using testing or unstable - and that's having a rock solid system... but most people prefer the newer packages available... YMMV |
| 15:46.14 | Guest78997 | Brigo, I'm on Debian Testing |
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| 15:46.51 | Brigo | Guest78997: that is a problem, may be an updated package breaking something. |
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| 15:47.30 | boudiccas | Guest78997; is there a menu entry for xfce? |
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| 15:47.34 | Marius80 | I got a call .--- 4 mins pls |
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| 15:48.29 | waynr | Marius80: one nice thing about testing vs stable is you have more opportunity to report bugs :) |
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| 15:48.39 | Brigo | zykotick9: yes, i changed to jessi and now the system cant suspend :-( |
| 15:49.15 | Guest78997 | boudiccas, on LightDM? On the top bar, there is a "tool" icon which displays my 2 sessions ("pure" XFCE and XFCE+Xmonad) |
| 15:49.42 | zykotick9 | Brigo: welcome to testing ;) |
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| 15:50.08 | Brigo | zykotick9: :-) |
| 15:50.13 | Guest78997 | btw, i'm running an update (via console) and I see that one of the packages to be updated is xfce4-session |
| 15:50.22 | Guest78997 | hopefully, that will solve it... |
| 15:50.48 | boudiccas | Guest78997; the reason i ask is because when i was on testing, it /forgot/ and lost the menu entry for fluxbox at one time, so am just checking. you should have a drop-down box to choose which DE you want. have you? |
| 15:51.29 | waynr | hmm so is the upgrade to juessi from wheezy generally a smooth process? |
| 15:51.34 | waynr | jessi* |
| 15:51.40 | Guest78997 | boudiccas, the only DE I've installed is XFCE |
| 15:51.50 | waynr | cause i might consider upgrading today :) |
| 15:52.24 | boudiccas | Guest78997; well you wont have much choice then :) and could just bypass the lightdm-greeter and go straight to xfce |
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| 15:52.44 | leo_33 | in your opinion can someone who is morbidly obese find a partner? |
| 15:52.58 | zykotick9 | wonders about all this picking on poor ubottu. |
| 15:53.17 | waynr | leo_33: yeah of course! why not? |
| 15:53.57 | up365 | do you have a specific debian question |
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| 15:54.44 | waynr | up365: me? |
| 15:55.42 | zykotick9 | waynr: it's jessie btw |
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| 15:56.22 | Naphatul | is there a repository for firefox? |
| 15:56.22 | Guest78997 | boudiccas, any pointers on how to bypass the lightdm-greeter and go straight to xfce? (thanks) |
| 15:56.49 | zykotick9 | Naphatul: see mozilla.debian.net for updated iceweasel versions. |
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| 15:57.03 | arietis | http://pastebin.com/vGcLaQsU |
| 15:57.10 | arietis | any ideas how to fix that? |
| 15:57.24 | boudiccas | Guest78997; google for it, or look in the annals of the debian-user mailing list as i think i emailed about it in jan 2013 |
| 15:58.09 | Naphatul | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 15:58.40 | mumpitzel | Guest78997: google "lightdm autologin" |
| 15:59.20 | mumpitzel | arietis: check the .deb file on disk |
| 15:59.35 | Guest78997 | boudiccas, mumpitzel.ok, thanks |
| 16:00.12 | boudiccas | guest789you're welcome |
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| 16:00.36 | gele | hello. |
| 16:00.37 | mumpitzel | arietis: and make sure you have enough space on all relevant disks too |
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| 16:01.59 | gele | i've upgraded the kernel from 3.2 to 3.10 (from backports) to get the backlight control to work and btrfs to work reasonably fast with apt-get, but now i have a problem with the audio that i didn't have with 3.2 - the speakers aren't muted when i plug in the headphones, even though 'Auto-mute' is shown as enabled in alsamixer. |
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| 16:02.49 | Walex2 | gele: what's the story with 3.2 vs. 3.10 and BTRFS please? Being curious. |
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| 16:03.26 | arietis | how come i can't install fstab package? |
| 16:03.37 | gele | Walex: older btrfs versions had a really slow fsync() implementation, and apt-get or dpkg or some related tool does a lot of fsync() calls when installing packages. |
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| 16:04.04 | arietis | E: Unable to locate package fstab |
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| 16:04.07 | zykotick9 | arietis: the /etc/fstab file is created by the installer, i don't think it's a package. |
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| 16:08.04 | Marius80 | dispersed, Coweater, zykotick9 and harrison: Thank you for the chat, I am sorry that I got a call before... (was a very important customer) |
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| 16:08.39 | Marius80 | so I am back... if anyone is interested in knowing :) |
| 16:08.50 | Marius80 | Question: Is it easy to get all codecs work on debian? |
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| 16:09.23 | Marius80 | I'd need all to play realplayer formats, windows media player formats, mp3, ogg, flash, whatever comes |
| 16:09.26 | Marius80 | silverlight... so clue what |
| 16:09.42 | linuxpusher | Anybody know what happened to xfce4-stopwatch-plugin? It looks like it's fallen out due to build problems... |
| 16:09.43 | gele | Marius80: flash and silverlight aren't codecs. |
| 16:09.57 | Marius80 | gele, I knew someone would notice *g* |
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| 16:10.01 | italian-cruncher | Marius80, as far as I know installing vlc and gstreamer-plugins-ugly should do it |
| 16:10.02 | Marius80 | gele, had no better word for it |
| 16:10.13 | italian-cruncher | he talking about .flv videos |
| 16:10.34 | Marius80 | hum... |
| 16:10.58 | Marius80 | so what is the *real* advantage why Linux Mint tells to be the same as debian testing but a little "better" ? |
| 16:11.02 | italian-cruncher | linuxpusher, I finally have the honour to know the single person using it :D |
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| 16:11.37 | italian-cruncher | Marius80, there are many distrous out there which build on Debian and add something, but my experience tells me that if you have half-brain working you can do everything of that on Debian as well with like 10 min of copypaste from the internet tutorials |
| 16:12.04 | linuxpusher | italian-cruncher, haha, you use it too maybe? :P I would like to try it out but I've been hitting walls all try trying to get it build using xfce4.10 and vala |
| 16:12.15 | jelly-home | Marius80: it looks nice and provides some reasonable defaults, I guess |
| 16:12.26 | Naphatul | interested in installing codecs aswell, where is gstreamer-plugins-ugly available from? |
| 16:12.26 | italian-cruncher | linuxpusher, I use a real pomodoro timer if this is your purpose :D |
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| 16:12.52 | italian-cruncher | you should open the /etc/apt/sources.list text file as admin |
| 16:12.57 | italian-cruncher | and add contrib non-free to each line |
| 16:13.01 | jelly-home | Marius80: to be honest, both of those features could have probably been achieved working within Debian |
| 16:13.03 | italian-cruncher | (except security) |
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| 16:13.37 | Marius80 | ok, I'm gonna use debian |
| 16:13.47 | italian-cruncher | Marius80, debian is for the one willing to 'roll your own' |
| 16:13.51 | Naphatul | i already have those |
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| 16:14.46 | arietis | how can i clean data from partition? |
| 16:14.48 | italian-cruncher | Naphatul, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good |
| 16:14.58 | italian-cruncher | arietis, you mean zeroing all data? |
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| 16:15.21 | italian-cruncher | or just formatting? |
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| 16:15.37 | arietis | just remove everything on it fast |
| 16:15.56 | italian-cruncher | arietis, fast = format. secure = wipe with random data or zeros. |
| 16:16.25 | italian-cruncher | if you aren't selling the hard disk or if aren't fleeing from your government, a format is probably ok |
| 16:16.53 | linuxpusher | italian-cruncher, haha, I just never seem to find someone/application that counts up instead of down :P I'd like to use a count-up timer to keep track of my working time between say git-commits (on separate days obvs) |
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| 16:17.30 | italian-cruncher | linuxpusher, now I know why 'pusher', you push to git... I thought you had a 'toxic' love with free software |
| 16:17.47 | harrison | code- dependent |
| 16:17.51 | italian-cruncher | Naphatul, you might want to add 'vlc' to my above command |
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| 16:18.38 | Naphatul | italian-cruncher: yeah added that |
| 16:18.55 | Naphatul | does iceweasel use gstreamer backend? youtube looks ugly as hell |
| 16:18.58 | italian-cruncher | linuxpusher, did you already check synaptic for a timer? or hell just use your android phone :p |
| 16:19.01 | linuxpusher | italian-cruncher, no, I wish I contributed more, I just constantly tell windows people to switch to open-source... you were closer at first |
| 16:19.37 | Naphatul | wait iceweasel comes with shockwave flash and some sort of itnues app detector? |
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| 16:19.52 | italian-cruncher | Naphatul, in my experience the best flash performance I had was with Google Chrome. It comes with flash plugin 11.8 out of the box and works like a charm, but its not in the repos, you have to download the .deb from official google website |
| 16:20.08 | Naphatul | i don't use chrome |
| 16:20.22 | linuxpusher | italian-cruncher, I also wish I had an android, I'm apparently still stuck in the dark ages, so I suppose the one package I found, stopwatch, fits my ghetto needs. I was hoping I could at least appear more modern... :) |
| 16:20.59 | italian-cruncher | linuxpusher, you are not in the dark ages until you go with a real hourglass *cough* do it *cough* |
| 16:21.07 | italian-cruncher | must feel very geeky too |
| 16:22.01 | linuxpusher | italian-cruncher, again, those count down... I need an hourglass with a --reverse-gravity flag or something |
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| 16:22.23 | italian-cruncher | linuxpusher, just change your frame of reference and watch the bottom half of the hourglass ;) |
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| 16:22.31 | raptor67782 | hello |
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| 16:22.55 | raptor67782 | how to change font size of the console (tty) without rebooting? |
| 16:23.55 | mumpitzel | raptor67782: check console-setup. and console-tools probably has something to but you'd need to check manpages for it |
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| 16:24.06 | linuxpusher | italian-cruncher, Ha! |
| 16:24.41 | raptor67782 | mumpitzel: the problem is that I had to reboot the machine to take effect :( |
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| 16:25.34 | mumpitzel | raptor67782: run reset? logout and back in, etc? |
| 16:25.50 | raptor67782 | dpgk-reconfigure console-setup needs to reboot |
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| 16:26.27 | raptor67782 | I did select Terminus and 32x16 and nothing :( |
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| 16:26.30 | italian-cruncher | raptor67782, did you try to open another tty with CTRL+ALT+Fsomething and see if changes are there? |
| 16:26.33 | raptor67782 | init 1? but to violent :( |
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| 16:26.42 | zykotick9 | raptor67782: for console F1-F6 it happens in real-time for me? console F7+ i do need to reboot for it to take effect. |
| 16:27.41 | raptor67782 | so I just killed the getty on tty6 and restarted it with /sbin/getty 38400 tty6 |
| 16:27.45 | raptor67782 | but the size is still very small |
| 16:28.27 | italian-cruncher | +1 for the 'violent' term btw |
| 16:28.33 | raptor67782 | and tehre is no manual entry for console-setup |
| 16:28.55 | raptor67782 | the violent "init 1" just to change the font, I do not believe in it |
| 16:29.23 | raptor67782 | I saw already the boot of linux, and believe that it can be change LIVE in real time. maybe some modprobe?? |
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| 16:30.21 | raptor67782 | italian-cruncher: yeah, did that. didnt wrok. same size on all tty. You could try: dpkkg-reconfigure console-setup and selecter Terminus and the size you want |
| 16:30.24 | italian-cruncher | I don't see the use of modprobe either |
| 16:30.59 | raptor67782 | the problem is that I run a backup and I cannot do "INIT 1" :( so I find out how to change the font console size without reboot |
| 16:31.11 | raptor67782 | italian-cruncher: :( |
| 16:31.24 | jelly-home | raptor67782: uh, just log in to a console and run something like "setfont Uni3-Terminus32x16" |
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| 16:32.56 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.57 | raptor67782 | Warning: this is a shell wrapper; consider using consolechars(8) |
| 16:32.57 | raptor67782 | Cannot (yet) load a non-seekable RAW file |
| 16:32.57 | raptor67782 | read_simple_font(): Invalid argument |
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| 16:33.30 | jelly-home | rapt... eh |
| 16:33.32 | italian-cruncher | oops |
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| 16:34.23 | jelly-home | raptor67782: I still have "kbd" installed with a real setfont binary. consolechars can probably be used as well but I don't remember the syntax |
| 16:34.44 | raptor67782 | I had to install kbd-wrappwer |
| 16:34.52 | raptor67782 | i would prefer consolechars |
| 16:35.19 | jelly-home | that one was too buggy years ago whne I still cared about fb console |
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| 16:35.32 | jelly-home | and kbd apparently still works |
| 16:36.10 | raptor67782 | it says that shall consider using console chars rather than setfont (setfont says thta itself=(==?) |
| 16:36.43 | raptor67782 | well, setfont Lat15-Terminus32x16 does nto work on my machine |
| 16:37.00 | jelly-home | raptor67782: the real one doesn't say that for me, it just changes the font |
| 16:37.01 | raptor67782 | however : setfont change sthg on the font, but still small (setfont <-- alone) |
| 16:37.23 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: hmmm I have Debian Stable |
| 16:37.27 | jelly-home | raptor67782: me too! |
| 16:37.37 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: hmmm strange |
| 16:37.46 | jelly-home | raptor67782: why? |
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| 16:37.58 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: should work |
| 16:37.59 | jelly-home | raptor67782: again, I have real "kbd" package installed. |
| 16:38.07 | raptor67782 | ahh |
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| 16:41.09 | raptor67782 | some examples in the man of consolechars would be helpful ... |
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| 16:41.48 | jelly-home | sounds like you're volunteering to write some documentation! |
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| 16:42.34 | raptor67782 | ok I give up... I will be blind with the console :) |
| 16:42.38 | jelly-home | linux often has horrible docs, best to get used to it |
| 16:42.54 | raptor67782 | my console fonts are too small :) |
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| 16:43.17 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: indeed. actually, I never write man page on my apps :) I rather not. Usually it is i nth e c++ code itself |
| 16:43.19 | jelly-home | forget about the console, a full screen xterm is faster |
| 16:43.52 | italian-cruncher | raptor67782, I think you would have spent less time overall by just rebooting, restarting the freaking backup and make yourself a coffee :D *cough* I never said this |
| 16:43.54 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.07 | jelly-home | raptor67782: you still don't have real kbd. |
| 16:44.27 | raptor67782 | italian-cruncher: I loose my time with un-important things... time managemnet of 1/10 |
| 16:45.09 | italian-cruncher | raptor67782, grammar needs a fix too :D its kinda loose |
| 16:45.23 | jelly-home | is watching Firefly on 1680x1050 colored ascii output |
| 16:45.58 | jelly-home | Terminus12x6 gives a console with 280 columns and 87 rows |
| 16:46.46 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.00 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: nice |
| 16:47.31 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: you should mplayer -vo aa spaceball movie :) 1980s movie |
| 16:47.46 | jelly-home | raptor67782: -vo aa is buggy; -vo caca works |
| 16:48.06 | jelly-home | and sadly I don't have Spaceballs nearby |
| 16:48.08 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: caca is insane, you saw the dependencies?? should be sid-ded |
| 16:48.31 | jelly-home | to hell with dependencies, this is why we have apt |
| 16:48.51 | raptor67782 | caca is not well packaged, in terms of dependencies. |
| 16:49.05 | raptor67782 | I wish someone create an alternative to caca |
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| 16:49.29 | jelly-home | and call it poopoo? |
| 16:49.56 | zykotick9 | raptor67782: fbdev2 will give a more watchable movie ;) |
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| 16:50.13 | jelly-home | zykotick9: that'd be missing the point |
| 16:50.46 | jelly-home | not that trying to use fb console when X with accelerated drivers is available has a point |
| 16:51.45 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: actually, on my libre install, fbdev2 plays more smoothly then nouveau driver in X |
| 16:52.06 | jelly-home | that's just sad! |
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| 16:52.24 | jelly-home | zykotick9: vo xv on nouveau or which vo? |
| 16:52.30 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: haha |
| 16:52.51 | raptor67782 | zykotick9: the xorg fbdev? |
| 16:53.31 | jelly-home | zykotick9: vo gl might work these days if you have a supported card |
| 16:53.43 | zykotick9 | raptor67782: xorg fbdev? sorry i'm not sure? but i mean, outside of xorg with fbdev2 is smoother then anything i can run in xorg |
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| 16:55.16 | raptor67782 | why not using the console only, you got elinks and links2 -g ? |
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| 16:55.37 | raptor67782 | there is mc but nothing like dolphin under the console |
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| 16:56.02 | zykotick9 | raptor67782: ranger is a nice alternative to mc (for many things, not everything) |
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| 16:59.16 | raptor67782 | zykotick9: what else? I like cli windows to move :) like this old good msdos turbopascal or word for dos |
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| 17:11.48 | Naphatul | how can i change which icons nautilus uses? |
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| 17:12.55 | Naphatul | it's not just nautilus actually the no icon theme is applying properly |
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| 17:14.43 | AVRS | Naphatul: a random guess: is anything like gnome-settings-daemon running? |
| 17:14.58 | AVRS | or xfsettingsd |
| 17:15.11 | AVRS | If nothing like that is running, GTK theme does not change |
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| 17:16.52 | Naphatul | AVRS: gnome-settings-daemon appears to be running |
| 17:17.24 | Naphatul | xfsettings isn't, this is on debian testing |
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| 17:20.27 | CygniX | when installing wheezy, is it possible to specify grub2, it seems to default to grub |
| 17:20.40 | Digit | all of a sudden apt-cache search --installed packagename has started returning: "E: Command line option --installed is not understood"... has something changed? or have i pebkac'd somewhere? |
| 17:20.48 | CygniX | grub has issue with virtio/VDA |
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| 17:22.29 | Naphatul | Digit: i just tried running that and got no errors |
| 17:23.18 | mumpitzel | Naphatul: what apt version? |
| 17:23.19 | Digit | yep. presumption is pebkac somewhere along the way... but it boggles the mind what could have caused that. ~ on sid btw. |
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| 17:24.32 | Naphatul | mumpitzel: 0.9.9.4 |
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| 17:25.31 | mumpitzel | Naphatul: 0.9.11.4 doesn't recognized --installed option here |
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| 17:25.51 | jelly-home | Digit: first do the options, then the search action |
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| 17:26.23 | jelly-home | apt-cache --installed search cake |
| 17:26.26 | Digit | as in "apt-cache --installed search" ? tried |
| 17:26.51 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 17:27.02 | jelly-home | never heard about --installed until now |
| 17:27.10 | Digit | trying a dist upgrade, see what that does. |
| 17:27.42 | jelly-home | on wheezy, "apt-cache --installed search cake" doesn't fail, but it doesn't return what I'd expect it to, either |
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| 17:28.19 | Naphatul | so can someone help me with icons not applying properly? |
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| 17:28.28 | Naphatul | gnome shell and nautilus icons are not changed but the menu icons are |
| 17:28.35 | Naphatul | with any icon set |
| 17:28.48 | Digit | have you no cake installed? ;D joking aside, tried it putting the --installed at all locations, same error. E: Command line option --installed is not understood (even tried in tty our of desperation) |
| 17:29.12 | Digit | out of* |
| 17:29.22 | jelly-home | Digit: use aptitude instead. |
| 17:29.29 | Digit | heh. thnx |
| 17:29.37 | jelly-home | this option looks like some weird leftover |
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| 17:30.37 | jelly-home | aptitude search '~i~ncake' or something |
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| 17:34.13 | Digit | 'spose i'll hafta make do with aptitude search ~i | grep packagename for now |
| 17:34.28 | Digit | oh, yeah, or like you said. |
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| 17:36.35 | martin-_- | hi, |
| 17:37.54 | martin-_- | i added in seahorse a pgp key. I added in gnome to my mail account the id of the pgp but when i want send an email i get gpg skipped gmx secret key not aviable |
| 17:37.57 | martin-_- | whats wrong? |
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| 17:49.07 | Digit | hrmm. dpkg --list | grep packagename seems faster than aptitude's search |
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| 17:51.17 | babilen | Digit: Try "dpkg -l $PACKAGENAME", there is no need for grep |
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| 17:51.35 | Digit | lol, thnx. my grep reflex too strong. |
| 17:51.36 | Romeo- | hello |
| 17:51.51 | Romeo- | i cannot update becasue get a exim4 error |
| 17:52.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell Romeo- -about bat |
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| 17:52.34 | babilen | Romeo-: Please provide more information (see the message our bot sent you) and also tell us what you are upgrading from and to. |
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| 17:53.01 | Romeo- | yoar |
| 17:53.02 | Romeo- | http://paste.debian.net/47095/ |
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| 17:54.00 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 17:54.08 | lns | hi DelphicOkami |
| 17:54.20 | DelphiWorld | guys, what's the recomanded way to have permanent iptables ruls? |
| 17:54.21 | lns | errr...delphiworld =p |
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| 17:54.41 | babilen | Romeo-: "mv: accessing `/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated': Input/output error" looks like you have a broken disk/filesystem or something along those lines. |
| 17:54.42 | lns | DelphiWorld, look at iptables-save and iptables-restore commands |
| 17:55.07 | babilen | DelphiWorld: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables has a good way (interface hook with iptables-save/restore) |
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| 17:55.31 | lns | What is a good auto-saving, multi-tab notepad type app for X ? I like gedit but it lost ability/plugin to save multiple tabs and restore them all (along with all other plugins, it seems) |
| 17:55.33 | Romeo- | ok |
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| 17:55.35 | DelphiWorld | thank babilen & lns ! |
| 17:55.38 | Romeo- | it's installed o an sd card |
| 17:55.39 | lns | wy |
| 17:55.43 | lns | yw* |
| 17:56.27 | babilen | Romeo-: I would recommend checking your mounted filesystem (well, whatever contains /var or /var/lib ), then disk status with hdparm and so on. |
| 17:57.27 | DelphiWorld | lns, if i do iptables-save, is the ruls saved somewhere? |
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| 17:57.35 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:58.03 | Posterdati | md kick out sda1 during massive usb |
| 17:58.07 | Posterdati | trasnfer |
| 17:58.12 | Posterdati | strange |
| 17:58.30 | lns | DelphiWorld, man iptables-save ;) |
| 17:58.33 | Posterdati | now I added sda1 back and it is recovering... |
| 17:58.52 | DelphiWorld | lns: lol, man is my enemy due to tts incompatibility |
| 17:58.59 | CygniX | what is 'grub rescue>' good for? |
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| 17:59.19 | lns | DelphiWorld, are you blind? |
| 17:59.20 | CygniX | I inserted module, set boot and prefix, now what? |
| 17:59.29 | DelphiWorld | lns: yep i am |
| 17:59.52 | DelphiWorld | lns: nm, i got the usage of save/restore |
| 17:59.52 | rryoumaa | how do i reset all of my xmodmap settings so i can start from scratch? |
| 17:59.53 | lns | DelphiWorld, well i'm sure man can be reformatted to not be so bad, does that mean that all terminal output has the incompatibility? |
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| 18:00.25 | DelphiWorld | lns: in windows, tyes cause i use windows to remotely ssh to my deb, due to espeak garbaged voice:P |
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| 18:01.58 | lns | DelphiWorld, ah - well in that case, see http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=iptables&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+7.0+wheezy&format=html&locale=en :) |
| 18:02.16 | DelphiWorld | lns: yeah, this is a good start:P |
| 18:02.18 | DelphiWorld | lns: thx |
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| 18:08.31 | nimbiotics | Hello evry1. I just installed debian with gnome and Im loving it. I don't know what you call the main bar at the top, but its getting on top of context menus, not letting me see at least the very first option. Is there a way to fix this or makew this bar at the top hide/unhide? TIA! |
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| 18:20.40 | italian-cruncher | tried googling? |
| 18:20.54 | italian-cruncher | its not to be mean but I saw you didn't receive an answer yet (And I am no gnome3 expert) |
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| 18:21.26 | DelphiWorld | lns: correct me if i'm wrong, the forward chain is not important if i'm nating, right? |
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| 18:30.48 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: it could be |
| 18:31.08 | DelphiWorld | maybe... |
| 18:31.32 | Brigo | the forward chains aplies after the nat chains ... |
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| 18:32.03 | Brigo | but if you deny something in the nat table, you can still allow it in the forward chain. |
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| 18:33.57 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: http://dpaste.com/1399222/ |
| 18:34.08 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: the iptables-restore didnt accept line 20 |
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| 18:36.07 | DelphiWorld | i added filtering but i dont know why my nat is not acceptable |
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| 18:38.02 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: try -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s '172.16.20.0/29' -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:38.40 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s '172.16.20.0/29' -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:38.41 | DelphiWorld | d correct? |
| 18:38.54 | Brigo | i think |
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| 18:39.13 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: and why this? -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 18:39.30 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: only new connections |
| 18:39.57 | fanderal | wheezy, gdm3, fallback session... what's the pkg to put 'open terminal here' in the right-click desktop menu? |
| 18:40.09 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: stablished connections matchs -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 18:40.22 | Brigo | so you will get only new connections. |
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| 18:40.32 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: hmmmmmmmmm, i got this from deb wiki that babilen ofred me |
| 18:40.56 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: is iptables-save/restore destined only to filters not to nat? |
| 18:41.01 | DelphiWorld | if i do restore i get: iptables-restore v1.4.14: Line 20 seems to have a -t table option. |
| 18:41.01 | Brigo | it is the same like lines 6-14 |
| 18:41.24 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: but line 20 is refused with: iptables-restore v1.4.14: Line 20 seems to have a -t table option. |
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| 18:41.39 | Brigo | POSTROUTING chain belongs to nat table you have to explicity write it. |
| 18:41.56 | Brigo | the filter table is the default. |
| 18:42.10 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: isnt i'm writing it? |
| 18:42.23 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s '172.16.20.0/29' -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:42.55 | Brigo | oh, i see ... :-m |
| 18:44.31 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: lol, but -t is refused |
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| 18:46.11 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: may be an typo in other line |
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| 18:46.24 | Brigo | iptables-restore is a script who parses lines ... |
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| 18:49.36 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: i think i see the mistake |
| 18:49.46 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: me too |
| 18:49.52 | Brigo | really? :-) |
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| 18:50.53 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: i'lle post the new config:P |
| 18:51.01 | Brigo | ok |
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| 18:53.33 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: http://dpaste.com/1399227/ |
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| 18:54.10 | toehio | is it possible to change a preseed option during the installation from the shell (to test an option without rebooting) |
| 18:54.51 | Brigo | DelphiWorld: much better, yes :-) |
| 18:55.02 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: ;) |
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| 18:55.38 | Java_Nunes | debian, canal de debiloides? |
| 18:55.56 | JavaNunes | ls |
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| 18:58.41 | petn-randall | !es |
| 18:58.42 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 18:59.20 | DelphiWorld | brii think forward also need to be explicitly allowed |
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| 19:18.46 | DelphiWorld | Brigo: see: |
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| 19:18.56 | DelphiWorld | iptables -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.20.0/29 -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:19.00 | DelphiWorld | is this right for nat? |
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| 19:22.10 | italian-cruncher | is debian sid any riskier to use on a internet facing machine than stable, since it has no security patching? is it because there is no time to spot vulnerabilities in the brief time that packages are held in sid? assuming I know how to 'un-break' it if some upgrade fails, will using sid pose any more security risks to a machine than stable? |
| 19:22.37 | frikinz | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.20.0/29 -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 19:22.41 | petn-randall | italian-cruncher: Yes, definitely. |
| 19:23.11 | frikinz | italian-cruncher: yes |
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| 19:23.39 | italian-cruncher | thanks for answers |
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| 19:24.56 | petn-randall | italian-cruncher: sid gets no attention by the security team at all. And because of the influx of packages, it's more likely to have some in sid. |
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| 19:25.37 | petn-randall | italian-cruncher: Maybe backports will solve your specific problem? Any specific package you want to have more current? |
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| 19:31.52 | err404 | frikinz, I don't understand what '-o vmbr0' doing, i use nat, but without -o |
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| 19:35.28 | frikinz | err404: where you want your packets to be natted to . might not be needed with only one interface? |
| 19:36.04 | err404 | ok, i understand now, thanks |
| 19:36.58 | frikinz | If this option is omitted any interface name will match. < from the manpage |
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| 19:50.57 | silent | Hi |
| 19:51.15 | silent | I symlinked /var/www to another folder, and now I can't get apache to access it. |
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| 19:52.02 | italian-cruncher | silent, permissions? |
| 19:52.03 | silent | if I su www-data, I can't cd to /var/www . Could that be the problem? The directory belongs to the www-data roup and has read permissions too |
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| 19:53.50 | xand | silent: it needs +x not +r |
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| 19:54.10 | silent | What does it need +x for |
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| 19:54.41 | xand | executable, but it means that the directory contents can be accessed |
| 19:55.25 | silent | chmod g+x /var/www ? |
| 19:55.39 | xand | yes |
| 19:55.46 | silent | Stil does not work |
| 19:56.19 | silent | sh: 1: cd: can't cd to /var/www |
| 19:57.10 | petn-randall | silent: Does /var have x permissions for www-data? |
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| 19:57.43 | silent | It does |
| 19:58.04 | frikinz | Doesn't apache forbid by default dirs outside the DocumentRoot? |
| 19:58.26 | xand | frikinz: maybe but if it doesn't work as the apache user that needs fixing first |
| 19:58.37 | frikinz | sure |
| 19:58.51 | petn-randall | silent: Paste the output of 'ls -al /var/www/' to http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 20:01.13 | Silent | Sorry |
| 20:02.04 | Silent | What was I supposed to paste? |
| 20:02.25 | petn-randall | silent: Paste the output of 'ls -al /var/www/' to http://paste.debian.net. |
| 20:03.29 | Silent | http://paste.debian.net/47124/ |
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| 20:04.19 | xand | Silent: /var's permissions are wrong. |
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| 20:04.49 | xand | surprised more doesn't work than just apache |
| 20:04.54 | Silent | It's actually a symlink |
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| 20:05.28 | petn-randall | Silent: www-data still needs x permissions to that dir. That's how symlinks work. |
| 20:06.43 | Silent | I finally did it |
| 20:06.48 | Silent | Thanks :) |
| 20:07.02 | petn-randall | Silent: You're welcome :) |
| 20:07.24 | frikinz | for best security, you should not have dirs owned by the webserver unless really required. root would be safer |
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| 20:21.37 | tesla_dv | Is there something I'm missing when using make-kpkg with the newest 11.12 RC2 kernel. I always get dpkg errors about missing headers when installing the created header and image deb files... |
| 20:21.43 | tesla_dv | I'm copying the running .conifg file to the working directory of the extracted kernel source, using make oldconfig and make menuconfig and then compiling with make-kpkg with the option to compile headers and the image. |
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| 20:22.24 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: Paste the actual error messages you get to http://paste.debian.net, cheers. |
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| 20:23.57 | rryoumaa | just curious, but why do i have 2 things mounted on /? one is rootfs. |
| 20:24.22 | tesla_dv | No errors are encountered during the compilation and I can boot to it, just have dpkg errors relating to dkms, specifying the kernel source directory does not help. http://paste.debian.net/47131/ |
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| 20:25.26 | tesla_dv | petn-randall: pastebin address is in the previous comment. thanks |
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| 20:30.44 | frikinz | rryoumaa: that's normal, rootfs is the one mounted during the initramfs and of type rootfs. this one should be ignored. I don't have such double line on df or mount on debian sid,I guess they are filtered. they still appear in /proc/mounts |
| 20:31.08 | rryoumaa | ok |
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| 20:31.11 | redder | I recently installed debian through a netinst to my netbook, but now it wont load when i turn the netbook on unless i put in the usb stick that I used to install the OS, does this mean that grub didnt load to the unit? |
| 20:31.36 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: I don't have a second mount on /. Live CD usually do, though. |
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| 20:34.09 | tesla_dv | redder: I've seen the sam thing happen, plug it in and let it boot. Unplug and run update-grub2 as superuser. |
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| 20:34.17 | tesla_dv | it should update the boot location |
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| 20:34.51 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: Your installed package puts a symlink pointing to your sources. Unfortunately, I forgot where that symlink is. I'd check that. |
| 20:35.19 | redder | tesla_dv ran the code, it finished quickly, ill have to reboot and see |
| 20:35.31 | CygniX | question on kvm virtio and ide drivers |
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| 20:35.57 | tesla_dv | redder: it should work I've seen it happen mostly on testing/sid discs |
| 20:36.01 | CygniX | if I install with virtio drivers and then change the kvm driver to ide, do I have to reinstall? |
| 20:36.01 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: Oh, it's /lib/modules/<kernelname>/source. That should point to the exact sources to that kernel. |
| 20:36.06 | val_erie | !paste |
| 20:36.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:36.37 | redder | another issue that i have run across is that the netisnt installed gnome and I wanted xfce, so i uninstalled gnome (now all i have is terminal), but the unit cant seem to connect to the internet and i dont know how to configure it through the terminal |
| 20:37.05 | petn-randall | redder: The other way round would have been easier ... |
| 20:37.14 | redder | what other way? |
| 20:37.26 | petn-randall | redder: If you installed xfce4 first, logged into it and then removed gnome. |
| 20:37.36 | tesla_dv | petn-randall: I had already looked at that and it appears to be fine: http://paste.debian.net/47140/ |
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| 20:37.52 | tesla_dv | there is an extra directory as I did a copy to make sure the make-kpkh name wasn't being fussy. |
| 20:37.57 | redder | petn-randall too late for that now, any ideas? |
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| 20:37.57 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:38.15 | petn-randall | redder: If you have shell access, you can simply do 'apt-get install xfce' and you'll have it. |
| 20:38.46 | wallbroken | guys, i need to modify a hex value of a bit of file, how can i do? |
| 20:38.51 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: Does 3.12.0-rc2-amd64 have a symlink called 'source' in it? |
| 20:39.09 | Posterdati | please is there anyone could help me to cope with a strange problem with usb and sata controller? I did a program with libusb and it stalled my usb controller causing md0 to kick a unit with a dma error |
| 20:39.24 | tesla_dv | petn-randall: it does not! |
| 20:39.32 | redder | petn-randall every time I run a terminal command that requires me to download something I get an error that says the unit failed to connect to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:39.36 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: That'll be the source of your problem :) |
| 20:39.38 | tesla_dv | so I'll make one :) |
| 20:39.39 | Posterdati | md0 is a mirror on sata controller |
| 20:39.46 | tesla_dv | thanks a ton, damn me. |
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| 20:40.00 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: You need internet access on that machine. |
| 20:40.04 | redder | petn-randall I have an ethernet cable plugged in, but that does not seem to have solved the problem |
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| 20:40.48 | tesla_dv | redder: you can try to plug into ethernet and bring the interface up. Assuming /etc/network/interfaces/ contains something like iface eth0 inet dhcp you can use ifup eth0 |
| 20:40.55 | petn-randall | redder: As a hack, you can run 'dhclient eth0' to gain internet access. |
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| 20:41.01 | frikinz | redder: dhclient eth0 |
| 20:41.14 | tesla_dv | or petnrandalls is much easier :) |
| 20:41.44 | petn-randall | Posterdati: You'll have to provide details first :) |
| 20:42.04 | Posterdati | ok |
| 20:42.17 | petn-randall | Posterdati: What program did you write, and what was the error you got? |
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| 20:42.56 | Posterdati | I did a program with libusb-1.0 to read from an usb device on hid endpoint. This program is buggy and it filled the usb with a lot of transfers |
| 20:43.58 | Posterdati | I did a sysreq kill to regain control, but after that md0 kicked a unit from the mirror |
| 20:44.02 | petn-randall | Posterdati: So your USB transfer to the mirror timed out. And md0 assumed your drive is dead. Looks like an expected result to me :) |
| 20:44.38 | Posterdati | petn-randall: unlikely, the array is not on usb, it is on sata controller |
| 20:45.01 | redder | petn-randall frikinz tesla_dv I ran the dhclient eth0 command, it cant connect becuase the netbook appears to have firmware that debian is not pre-configured to support, the error message: http://pastebin.com/U40w7UBt |
| 20:45.39 | Posterdati | petn-randall: it messed with UDMA as stated on dmesg |
| 20:46.05 | frikinz | wallbroken: vim or emacs can be turned into hex editor. |
| 20:46.16 | Posterdati | Sep 28 19:26:53 ATHLON64 kernel: [ 5.262872] md: kicking non-fresh sda1 from array! |
| 20:46.18 | tesla_dv | redder: you can download the package from debian repo from another machine, extract the firmware files and place in /lib/firmware and load the module with modprobe |
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| 20:46.39 | tesla_dv | think the package name is firmware-realtek |
| 20:46.41 | petn-randall | wallbroken: there's also a program called 'hexedit' in Debian. |
| 20:47.04 | redder | tesla_dv is there a step-by-step wiki anyway for that? I'm not sure what i would need to do at each step for something like that |
| 20:47.09 | frikinz | redder: or configure your wireless :) |
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| 20:47.44 | redder | frikinz: does this wiki show me how to do it: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:47.46 | redder | ? |
| 20:47.46 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Sorry, must've misread your previous message. Can you paste all the context from kern.log? |
| 20:47.47 | wallbroken | cmp -lb on two files said me that "56" is different |
| 20:47.54 | wallbroken | what is "56" ? |
| 20:48.27 | petn-randall | wallbroken: Paste the whole output. |
| 20:48.39 | tesla_dv | redder: I'm not aware of one, it's somewhat simple if you can just get that firmware file into /lib/firmware |
| 20:49.03 | tesla_dv | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 20:49.04 | redder | tesla_dv, ok I will try |
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| 20:49.05 | redder | thx |
| 20:49.30 | tesla_dv | you'll see the dl link at the bottom |
| 20:49.40 | Posterdati | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/WXwjXbZu |
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| 20:49.53 | frikinz | requiring a firmware for ethernet is really mean :) |
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| 20:49.59 | tesla_dv | just extract that archive and pay attention to the /lib/firmware directory |
| 20:50.01 | tesla_dv | yes it is |
| 20:50.08 | Posterdati | petn-randall: there aren't other messages |
| 20:50.10 | tesla_dv | I've had to do it on so many netbooks/ultrabooks |
| 20:50.11 | wallbroken | cmp -lb "2013-09 |
| 20:50.11 | wallbroken | -28 01.15.57.jpg" "Copia di 2013-09-28 01.15.57.jpg" |
| 20:50.11 | wallbroken | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.18 | owen1 | my router supports both 2.4 and 5 GHz. is it ok to set both to have the same ssid? (i want to make sure a laptop that support 5 GHz is not using the 2.4) |
| 20:50.28 | redder | tesla_dv: dl link? |
| 20:50.35 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell wallbroken -about paste |
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| 20:51.47 | petn-randall | owen1: Yes, but with most UIs you might not distinguish between them. But that's ok, just log into both once, and after that network-manager will pick the strongest signal. |
| 20:51.55 | tesla_dv | download link |
| 20:51.59 | tesla_dv | on that first link |
| 20:52.09 | tesla_dv | at the bottom of the page you can download the package |
| 20:52.28 | petn-randall | Posterdati: That looks like an error message from reboot. |
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| 20:53.15 | petn-randall | Posterdati: 5 seconds into kernel boot your program got started? |
| 20:53.29 | wallbroken | cmp -lb fileA fileB |
| 20:53.29 | wallbroken | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.48 | owen1 | petn-randall: since i set both to have the same ssid, i only see 1 line in my wicd |
| 20:53.51 | petn-randall | wallbroken: Stop it. Use http://paste.debian.net, as the bot told you. |
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| 20:54.07 | petn-randall | owen1: :) |
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| 20:54.24 | tesla_dv | petn-randall: I've created a symlink in the /usr/src/kernelversion/source to point to the source code of the kernel I compiled. same error, am I missing something still? |
| 20:54.42 | petn-randall | tesla_dv: How do you call dkms? |
| 20:54.46 | wallbroken | petn-randall, i done it according to what the bot saids me "[22:50] <dpkg> petn-randall wants you to know: Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel." |
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| 20:55.04 | tesla_dv | petn-randall: it's getting called through dpkg automatically during the install |
| 20:55.17 | wallbroken | if i'm good on math, that are < "more than 2 lines" |
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| 20:55.23 | wallbroken | *those |
| 20:55.24 | frikinz | tesla_dv: isn't dkms looking in /usr/src for kernel-header-blabla ? |
| 20:55.47 | petn-randall | wallbroken: You mean '=<' :) |
| 20:55.56 | tesla_dv | correct, If I look at my previous kernel versions I don't see a source symlink in any of the header directories either... |
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| 20:56.12 | redder | tesla_dv so download to a usb stick, extract within the stick, and then load the file to the netbook by navigating to the lib/firmware file and using cp command to copy over? how do I use modprobe? |
| 20:56.21 | wallbroken | no, i mean "<", because i said "more than" |
| 20:56.42 | frikinz | tesla_dv: did your kernel header package create a directory in /usr/src ? |
| 20:56.42 | tesla_dv | just do a reboot, easier then trying to load |
| 20:56.45 | Posterdati | petn-randall: sorry, look at this ----> http://pastebin.com/ft9HZVEF |
| 20:56.51 | tesla_dv | frikinz: yes |
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| 20:58.04 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Hard to say what your program did. Did it run as root? |
| 20:58.16 | Posterdati | petn-randall: no usre space |
| 20:58.37 | tesla_dv | it's just silly that I'm attempting to install a kernel header package and it creates the directory but it says it can't find it to use with dkms... |
| 20:58.50 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Did it run as root in userspace? |
| 20:58.52 | frikinz | tesla_dv: and if you run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-xxx (your version) does dkms complain again? |
| 20:58.58 | Posterdati | petn-randall: no |
| 20:59.07 | wallbroken | petn-randall, so, do you know what that number means? |
| 20:59.13 | Posterdati | petn-randall: user -> libusb-1.0 |
| 20:59.14 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Then I guess it's a kernel bug :) |
| 20:59.22 | tesla_dv | frikinz: yup |
| 20:59.32 | Posterdati | petn-randall: I lost data with that :) |
| 20:59.57 | Posterdati | petn-randall: shall I use a more recent kernel? |
| 21:00.00 | frikinz | tesla_dv: if dkms complain about kernel header version XX missing while /usr/src/kernel-headers-XX exist then, no real idea |
| 21:00.22 | tesla_dv | frikinz: yeah I'm puzzled too :( |
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| 21:01.00 | petn-randall | wallbroken: First number is the byte number from the start, then the numeric byte value and the actual byte of each file. |
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| 21:01.35 | petn-randall | Posterdati: What kernel and Debian release are you running? |
| 21:02.03 | Posterdati | petn-randall: Linux ATHLON64 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:02.16 | wallbroken | petn-randall, so this means that the difference starts from that byte? or is only on that byte? |
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| 21:02.34 | Posterdati | petn-randall: it is the original distro kernel |
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| 21:03.19 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Can you reproduce the bug? |
| 21:03.20 | frikinz | tesla_dv: you could add a set -x at the 2nd line of /usr/sbin/dkms but I guess it calls subscripts |
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| 21:03.31 | frikinz | tesla_dv: to see where it's looking for. dkms is a pain |
| 21:03.36 | Posterdati | petn-randall: yes, but I don't want to loose data |
| 21:04.03 | makerslocalpc | hi i updated my kernel and now grub efi is saying no operating system found |
| 21:04.31 | makerslocalpc | does anyone know how to fix efi loader without a reinstall |
| 21:04.48 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Start in single use mode, or try a live CD, to reduce that worry. Then try to reproduce it with the simplest possible case. |
| 21:05.00 | frikinz | tesla_dv: /lib/modules/$KVER/build |
| 21:05.16 | petn-randall | Posterdati: e.g. trim that program down to the smallest one that still reproduces the error. |
| 21:05.33 | Posterdati | I can't reboot this machine to do that |
| 21:05.39 | petn-randall | Posterdati: If you got a use case, report it to the bug tracker. |
| 21:05.57 | petn-randall | s/use case/reproducible case/ |
| 21:06.00 | frikinz | tesla_dv: has to point to /usr/src/linux-headers-XXX :) |
| 21:06.13 | petn-randall | wallbroken: cmp will report every byte. |
| 21:06.46 | Posterdati | petn-randall: I must admit that debian quality is decreasing in time |
| 21:06.54 | petn-randall | wallbroken: (that's what I'm reading from the man page) |
| 21:07.02 | tesla_dv | frikinz: you tha man! |
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| 21:07.13 | frikinz | tesla_dv: cool :) |
| 21:07.17 | tesla_dv | I wonder why that wasn't done during the build process? |
| 21:07.25 | frikinz | tesla_dv: exactly |
| 21:07.38 | wallbroken | petn-randall, so this means that that two files differs on byte 56 |
| 21:07.40 | tesla_dv | It was missing the build symlink, added that and fixed |
| 21:07.40 | wallbroken | right? |
| 21:07.41 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Ironically I find it harder and harder to find bug in newer Debian releases :) |
| 21:08.07 | tesla_dv | frikinz: even more strange since I did a make oldconfig and compiled it without changes ::confused:: |
| 21:08.21 | petn-randall | wallbroken: Yes |
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| 21:09.15 | seekr | Richard Stallman's live talk at the 30th GNU celebration is about to begin - streaming live at http://live.fsf.org/gnu30.ogv |
| 21:09.19 | wallbroken | petn-randall, ok, and is there a way to save that byte automatically from 40 files? |
| 21:09.22 | petn-randall | wallbroken: What's the actual problem you're trying to solve? |
| 21:09.24 | frikinz | tesla_dv: I'm not sure who's supposed to create the link |
| 21:09.41 | tesla_dv | frikinz: well thanks a ton, now I know just to create it by hand :D |
| 21:10.08 | redder | something keeps kicking me off the irc. How do I navigate to a usb stick through terminal? ls command or something else? |
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| 21:10.35 | wallbroken | petn-randall, i have 40 files, on those 40 files, i need to save the 56° byte corrisponding on each file and then overwrite with a common byte for all |
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| 21:11.09 | mtn | redder: you can use a file manager, like mc, or you can use terminal commands, like cd |
| 21:11.10 | petn-randall | wallbroken: I see, but why are you doing that? |
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| 21:12.16 | morck_c | sitting behind a router without snmp looking to get my external ip from a bash script. Anything more reliable than curling something external like whatismyip.com |
| 21:13.08 | wallbroken | petn-randall, because i have that files that are photos, and that byte rappresents the autorotation of photo, i need to experiment something |
| 21:13.13 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Can I put !openjdk-6-jdk | java6-sdk | java7-sdk into a Depends to express that a package needs a java-6 or java-7 that is not openjdk-6-jdk ? |
| 21:13.38 | demoorian | xfce had a plugin doing thet, i miss that one as it is not availlable in current stable |
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| 21:16.54 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: not really. You can Conficts: something tho |
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| 21:17.08 | jelly-home | er, Conflicts: |
| 21:19.09 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, This would not help. openjdk-6-jdk has a breaking bug, so I want to avoid it. It is however the default jdk in wheezy. |
| 21:19.50 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: how would it not help? Your packae would be uninstallable until the user removed it |
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| 21:20.01 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, If I can not express this, I'll go for just java-7 |
| 21:20.45 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, But the package does not conflict with openjdk-6. |
| 21:21.33 | frikinz | can the app decide which jdk to use then? |
| 21:21.34 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, It just does not use it since it will not work otherwise. |
| 21:22.00 | ElDiabolo | frikinz, The startup script can, yes. |
| 21:22.07 | CygniX | does debian installer let you chose whether you wont grub or grubs? |
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| 21:22.20 | CygniX | sorry, grub or grub2 |
| 21:22.35 | petn-randall | ElDiabolo: Do a 'Depends: java6-sdk' and 'Conflicts: openjdk-6-jdk', that should work. |
| 21:23.03 | petn-randall | ElDiabolo: Though if the bug gets fixed in openjdk-6-jdk, you'll have to update your package. |
| 21:23.22 | ElDiabolo | petn-randall, But this means I can not install the package if openjdk-6-jdk is present, right? |
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| 21:23.50 | ElDiabolo | petn-randall, The bug is marked as Won't fix. |
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| 21:25.19 | petn-randall | ElDiabolo: Yes. |
| 21:25.21 | frikinz | ElDiabolo: if the startup script can select then your app can run even if openjdk is there. just depend on java6 or 7 |
| 21:25.24 | frikinz | ? |
| 21:26.02 | ElDiabolo | frikinz, no, if the java-6 is openjdk-6-jdk i'm lost. |
| 21:26.23 | ElDiabolo | frikinz, I think I'll just depend on java-7 |
| 21:26.57 | frikinz | Something narrow enough to exclude openjdk (I'm not really into java anymore). is suns java7 in debian? |
| 21:27.15 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: why don't you make it conflict? |
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| 21:27.52 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, Because my package will work if openjdk-6-jdk is present. |
| 21:29.37 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: you can express neither "I want THIS jdk alternative to be active" nor "I don't want THIS alternative to be active" in a control file. |
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| 21:31.45 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: which bug# is this? |
| 21:31.48 | bezoka | hi |
| 21:31.58 | bezoka | how can I install ubuntu when Im on debian |
| 21:32.03 | bezoka | and I cant reboot? |
| 21:32.10 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, This is only about "I want this java alternative too be present". |
| 21:32.39 | mtn | bezoka: why can't you reboot? that sounds like a more important question |
| 21:32.40 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: what you just said sounded like "I don't want this one to be active as it will break my app" |
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| 21:33.24 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720684 |
| 21:33.26 | bezoka | chce zainstalować ubuntu, ale nie mam pendrive, więc chce to zrobic z poziomu debiana |
| 21:33.33 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: going with java-7 only seems to be a reasonable option |
| 21:33.38 | bezoka | not this |
| 21:33.40 | bezoka | want to install ubuntu, but I have a memory stick, so he wants to do it from within Debian |
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| 21:33.51 | bezoka | i havent pendrive* |
| 21:34.07 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, No, I don't care if it is active, I just can't depend on it because it does not work. |
| 21:34.15 | bezoka | I want to install ubuntu, but I havent pendrive, so I want do it from debian |
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| 21:34.22 | jelly-home | bezoka: ask an ubuntu channel whether they support a debootstrap installation |
| 21:34.42 | bezoka | thanks;p |
| 21:34.50 | jelly-home | bezoka: basically, we don't know how to install ubuntu ;-) |
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| 21:35.14 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, Yeah, I'll do that. |
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| 21:35.40 | bezoka | I heard ubuntu is better than debian |
| 21:35.42 | bezoka | dont know why |
| 21:36.22 | bezoka | they said fresher apps |
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| 21:37.49 | everamzah | i noticed today synaptic, if you go to preferences->update it says, "inform of a new ubuntu version" .... LOL! |
| 21:38.12 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home, I'm trying to do a patch for the netbeans package that works around 720684. |
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| 21:40.57 | petn-randall | everamzah: That's normal when .... you're on Ubuntu. |
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| 21:43.07 | jelly-home | petn-randall: that's why it's a LOL on Debian |
| 21:43.22 | frikinz | and it was fixed a month ago |
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| 21:45.13 | petn-randall | That was in sid? |
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| 21:46.25 | aPpYe | hi there. .. I am signing a private repository I am hosting myself. I adapted much of what is seen here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1999221 ...Everything works fine. I am unsure what the purpose of the InRelease file is though. Everything seems to work fine without it. Also, what is the purpose of putting compressing the packages file into a gz? Things also work fine with it compressed, uncompressed or both... |
| 21:46.55 | ElDiabolo | thx & bye. |
| 21:47.14 | frikinz | aPpYe: making it smaller? :) |
| 21:47.37 | demoorian | even in stable, the menu 1st is 'notify me of a new ubunto version' - so it seems ubuntu wrote it |
| 21:47.56 | aPpYe | frikinz, I guess ... no biggie for me ... the main issue I am unsure about is the InRelease file... not sure what it is for... |
| 21:48.01 | frikinz | petn-randall: bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666869 (notice the number.. 666) |
| 21:48.21 | italian-cruncher | gotta be an evil bug |
| 21:48.50 | jelly-home | a thousand evil bugs |
| 21:48.59 | italian-cruncher | nothing spells doom like a bug number #666 |
| 21:49.46 | frikinz | aPpYe: I don't know. my repositories don't have this file but I see clients searching for it.. |
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| 21:51.08 | redder | what would the structure of a terminal command to copy a file from an external drive to a folder look like? |
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| 21:52.03 | frikinz | redder: first need to mount the ext. drive. done? |
| 21:52.38 | redder | frikinz: still trying to get that done, used the mkdir and mnt command but theyre not working |
| 21:52.54 | jelly-home | redder: just like any other cp command, cp /path/to/source/file /path/to/destination/directory/ |
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| 21:53.44 | redder | maybe i should just reisntall the OS with the nonfrees, every command i try over here debian just stares at me blankly..... |
| 21:54.20 | frikinz | redder: type dmesg . the last line should give you the name of your ext. device like /dev/sdcX |
| 21:54.22 | redder | to mount an external drive its just mkdir /mnt/dev/sdX right? |
| 21:55.28 | redder | sdd |
| 21:56.06 | frikinz | mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt |
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| 21:56.55 | frikinz | does that emit a bad message? :) |
| 21:57.04 | redder | yes |
| 21:57.25 | frikinz | like |
| 21:57.33 | frikinz | I fear ntfs |
| 21:57.39 | redder | utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT files |
| 21:57.50 | frikinz | ok, you don't care about this one. so it works |
| 21:58.02 | frikinz | now. ls /mnt |
| 21:58.06 | redder | so now how do i navegate to the file within the usb? |
| 21:58.25 | redder | ok, i see the file |
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| 21:59.10 | frikinz | cp /mnt/file /lib/firmware |
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| 22:00.25 | redder | lemme paste it to pastebin first |
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| 22:00.40 | frikinz | redder: that's a debian package rright? |
| 22:01.18 | frikinz | ah yes extracting first would be better.. |
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| 22:05.43 | ExeciN | Debian can't completely boot unless I have a specific CD drive connected via usb on my computer. What could the problem be? |
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| 22:08.54 | ExeciN | this is my fstab but I don't think that this is the problem http://pastebin.com/0mp6b0jt |
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| 22:23.34 | redder | I am installing xfce to my netbook and have been using this wiki to do so |
| 22:23.40 | redder | https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system |
| 22:23.54 | petn-randall | ExeciN: Your fstab looks ok. Where does it exactly hang? |
| 22:23.58 | redder | I am at the part called "Run Xfce" but i dont understand what it is talking about |
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| 22:24.46 | mtn | redder: do you get a login window when you boot? |
| 22:25.01 | redder | mtn i havent rebooted yet |
| 22:25.16 | redder | i just finished the "apt-get install xfce4-goodies" command |
| 22:25.17 | mtn | redder: do you normally get a login window when you boot? |
| 22:25.29 | redder | mtn i get a terminal login |
| 22:25.33 | redder | not a GUI login |
| 22:25.46 | mtn | redder: then you use startx, yes? |
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| 22:26.13 | redder | i havent used anything yet, i uninstalled gnome but then had to configure the internet to obtain the xfce packages |
| 22:26.24 | redder | everything has been done through the terminal so far |
| 22:26.45 | mtn | redder: I don't know why you don't understand me. how did you start gnome when you had it? |
| 22:26.47 | Mister_Bean | Hello, I'm trying to build a new 4.11 kde4libs package, but the buildsystem requires that it's built out of the source tree |
| 22:27.03 | Mister_Bean | I read that I can do that with the --builddirectory flag of dh |
| 22:27.12 | redder | mtn gnome started automatically |
| 22:27.15 | redder | on boot |
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| 22:27.38 | Mister_Bean | The thing is that I pass --builddirectory in the configure rules, but it doesn't seem to change anything |
| 22:27.44 | mtn | redder: and you call that a terminal login? |
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| 22:28.17 | petn-randall | mtn: redder had gnome before, then he removed it, after that he didn't have a login manager. |
| 22:28.47 | mtn | petn-randall: I guess, he said he NORMALLY had a terminal login. |
| 22:28.53 | redder | mtn petn-randall: correct, so i could only login through the termianl, no GUI whatsoever |
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| 22:29.14 | mtn | gives up and goes for a walk |
| 22:29.56 | redder | so now I am triing to install xfce and have come to the part about Run Xfce in the wiki, and there is talks about GDM, KDM and LightDM, and I'm not sure what it all means |
| 22:30.20 | petn-randall | redder: Those are all login managers. |
| 22:30.50 | redder | petn-randall: so i should just continue to input the command lines line-by-line as presented in the wiki? |
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| 22:34.02 | petn-randall | redder: It depends. Without a login manager, you won't be able to log in. I recommend installing lightdm, and removing gdm, if it's still there. |
| 22:34.29 | redder | petn-randall: ok, how would I do that? |
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| 22:36.12 | redder | this wiki?: https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM |
| 22:36.14 | frikinz | apt-get install xfce4-session lightdm |
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| 22:36.24 | redder | ok |
| 22:36.47 | frikinz | apt-get remove gdm before maybe |
| 22:36.59 | redder | remove first? |
| 22:37.00 | redder | ok |
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| 22:38.13 | petn-randall | They can both be installed in parallel, but I guess it's already gone anyway. |
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| 22:38.39 | frikinz | and the last one to be installed will be selected as default |
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| 22:40.48 | redder | ok |
| 22:40.54 | redder | so I will remove first |
| 22:40.57 | redder | then install second |
| 22:41.30 | redder | what is startx? |
| 22:42.22 | frikinz | a wrapper to start X. X being the Xserver which hosts graphical apps |
| 22:43.57 | redder | so how is that different from gdm, kdm, and lightdm? |
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| 22:44.29 | redder | is there a way to simple launch the GUI from the terminal login? |
| 22:44.35 | redder | simply* |
| 22:44.38 | tvm | redder: yeah, using startx |
| 22:44.47 | tvm | gdm/kdm/etc. are login managers |
| 22:44.56 | redder | tvm so how is that done? |
| 22:44.56 | tvm | they start X and let user login |
| 22:45.08 | tvm | redder: login and type startx |
| 22:45.38 | tvm | if everything's installed it should just work |
| 22:46.34 | redder | hey cool im in |
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| 22:47.20 | redder | but now its telling me that the hard drive isnt mounted and cant be mounted |
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| 22:50.26 | frikinz | where do you see this message? in xfce? |
| 22:51.05 | eb0t | how many hard drives are on your system |
| 22:51.17 | redder | just one hard drive |
| 22:51.30 | redder | it says "320 GB Unrecognized" |
| 22:51.44 | redder | it also cant seem to detect the USB stick i have plugged in |
| 22:52.09 | frikinz | I wonder where you installed xfce then :) |
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| 22:52.41 | eb0t | the hard drive must be mounted ...because your computer is running |
| 22:53.12 | redder | it says "one or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0" |
| 22:53.30 | redder | could this be because i tried to install the encrypted LVM? |
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| 22:54.11 | eb0t | im no expert but its probably something to do with hard drive manipulation ...possibly LVM |
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| 22:54.52 | beejun | Hi all, I have just installed Debian , the grub only works when my usb is plugged in...help |
| 22:55.04 | frikinz | redder: encryption could slightly slow your netbook. is it a fast netbook? |
| 22:55.24 | redder | frikinz: its ok, fast enough i suppose |
| 22:55.44 | redder | im just confused why it cant mount |
| 22:56.01 | frikinz | alredy mounted? |
| 22:56.11 | zinx | already used by device mapper :/ |
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| 22:56.44 | beejun | how can I make grub boot on startup without the usb? |
| 22:58.07 | redder | beejun: i have the same problem |
| 22:58.28 | redder | "update-grub2" was suggested |
| 22:58.44 | redder | zinx: what do you mean? |
| 22:58.54 | frikinz | isn't the encryption key stored on the stick? :) its either this or you have to type a key manually... |
| 22:58.56 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.04 | zinx | redder: i mean there's a device-mapper mapping utilizing the disk or partition in question. |
| 22:59.15 | eb0t | or does grub come up but can only boot operating system if the usb is plugged in |
| 22:59.22 | beejun | eb0t yes |
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| 22:59.46 | redder | zinx so what does that mean for being unable to mount? |
| 22:59.48 | beejun | eb0t without the usb in it just gives me a black screen with a bar and thats all |
| 22:59.57 | eb0t | ah |
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| 23:00.04 | eb0t | so grub isnt even coming up |
| 23:00.14 | beejun | yes that's right eb0t |
| 23:00.22 | beejun | should I try update-grub2? |
| 23:00.28 | eb0t | which seems that grub has been installed on you usb but not your hard drive |
| 23:00.29 | zinx | redder: mount won't mount devices that are in use normally. |
| 23:00.44 | eb0t | maybe you should try and find out if grup is installed on your hard drive |
| 23:00.49 | eb0t | and if not install it |
| 23:00.54 | beejun | ok |
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| 23:01.07 | redder | zinx: so then why does it appear on my desktop at all? and why doesnt my usb stick appear? |
| 23:01.10 | zinx | redder: and you shouldn't force it - you should either remove the unneeded mappings, or mount the mapping if you intend to use it. |
| 23:01.12 | threedebian | d |
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| 23:01.27 | redder | zinx how would i go about doing that? |
| 23:01.28 | zinx | redder: shrug, i don't use those desktop things |
| 23:01.50 | beejun | grub-common is installed i see |
| 23:02.05 | zinx | redder: if you've already gotten your system mounted properly (assuming so, as it's apparently running), nothing is required except configuring whatever it is volume manager that's improperly showing you devices. |
| 23:02.22 | zinx | redder: or perhaps switching to a volume manager that doesn't suck. |
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| 23:02.32 | zinx | (note: not sure there are any.) |
| 23:03.03 | frikinz | maybe xfce just shows on desktop your internal partitions wether mounted or not? |
| 23:03.11 | zinx | could be |
| 23:03.19 | redder | why doesnt it show the usb stick? |
| 23:03.36 | zinx | i don't know, is your usb stick even being detected? |
| 23:03.50 | frikinz | redder: the one you already mounted? |
| 23:03.53 | beejun | how can I access the grub setting? |
| 23:04.00 | redder | frikinz: yes |
| 23:04.02 | beejun | because it seems I got it installed on my hard drive |
| 23:04.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | hello everyone, i got an issue http://pastebin.com/sEuGv9Fz |
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| 23:04.26 | frikinz | redder: open a terminal and unmount it cleanly: umount /mnt |
| 23:04.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried to update some packages and it appears i have some broken init.d script can you help me out. |
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| 23:04.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | I don't want to be here all night if i try to fix it. |
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| 23:05.15 | frikinz | redder: then remove it and plug again. dunno if xfce autodetects external devices. maybe you need something additional |
| 23:05.36 | redder | frikinz: no suck luck |
| 23:05.39 | redder | such |
| 23:05.48 | redder | still not detecting |
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| 23:07.11 | redder | the system detects it though, it appears when i run lsusb |
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| 23:11.53 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.30 | eb0t | and command $sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 23:12.50 | eb0t | that command runs os prober ...which locates your operating system on your hard drive |
| 23:13.11 | eb0t | and then updates the information to the grub.cfg file which is used to boot |
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| 23:16.53 | RodrigoParente | caioash |
| 23:17.01 | RodrigoParente | cade tu ?? |
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| 23:18.29 | cusco | cade |
| 23:18.33 | somiaj | eb0t: you can also achive the same thing by just running 'ugrade-grub' in debian |
| 23:18.38 | somiaj | eb0t: arg, 'update-grub' |
| 23:18.40 | cusco | !debian-r |
| 23:18.44 | cusco | !debian-br |
| 23:18.44 | dpkg | i heard debian-br is The Brazilian Debian Translation Project visit at: http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br or #debian-br |
| 23:19.17 | eb0t | nice one somiaj |
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| 23:31.35 | ExeciN | If I try and boot without my CD drive connected (via USB) the system stays in ramdisk and gives me those errors https://www.dropbox.com/sc/gq2g9avgoe0aoxd/U9kFyXMfhp |
| 23:32.13 | ExeciN | When I try and press ctr+alt+del I am getting those errors http://pastebin.com/8iJ6dfvx |
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| 23:33.07 | ExeciN | My bootloader is using my partition's UUID to boot so I don't know where the problem is |
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| 23:55.49 | somiaj | ExeciN: it is strange those files ar emissing because you see that a drive is detected and assigned to sdd |
| 23:56.30 | somiaj | ExeciN: udev should be creating those files just fine, so unsure how to beg, before udev I would say use /dev/MAKEDEV script |
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