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| 00:18.37 | codygman | Is it safe to stop an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:18.53 | codygman | before things have started installing |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | still downloading? yes |
| 00:20.18 | codygman | installing it could get into a halfway (bad) state between distributions right? |
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| 00:20.38 | abrotman | yres |
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| 00:35.53 | lazers | sbcl never |
| 00:36.39 | Kakila | Hi all. I am trying to get the headers of the 3.6-trunk-amd64 kernel. I cannot get them from the sources experimental main anymore. I read the wiki but I fail to understand what I have to do to get the headers, I see somethign about linux-tools. any guidance? |
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| 00:53.29 | Kakila1 | anyway to get 3.6-trunk-amd64 headers, that was removed from experimental (where does it go?) on Jan 2013? |
| 00:54.19 | dvs | Kakila1: If it's gone from experimental and it's not in unstable, it's probably gone for good. |
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| 00:57.33 | Kakila1 | I can't find a linux-kbuild-3.6..which I am guessing is what I would need |
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| 00:58.17 | Marius80 | hi |
| 00:58.49 | Marius80 | sorry I got exactly 3 problems with a new debian wheezy installation that I have not been able to solve within the last couple of hours |
| 00:59.05 | abrotman | exactly? |
| 00:59.21 | Marius80 | 1) Videos stutter and jiggle (no chance in vlc, kaffeine tries it's best, mplayer works kinda "okay") |
| 00:59.21 | dvs | I have 99 problems... |
| 00:59.21 | Kakila1 | dvs: oh, that can happen? ok, so I guess I have to move to another kernel, right? So which one is likely not to disappear? 3.9? |
| 00:59.24 | Marius80 | 2) KDE4 cannot mount Flashdrives and external harddrives |
| 00:59.33 | Marius80 | 3) konsole only starts half of the time, very often I get this: http://s21.postimg.org/6fyolzgl3/konsole |
| 00:59.35 | dvs | Kakila1: 3.10 is a long term kernel |
| 00:59.44 | Kakila1 | dvs: ok, thanks |
| 00:59.52 | dvs | no prob |
| 01:00.02 | Kakila1 | dvs: btw, any lonk to a tutorial how to update to 3.10? |
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| 01:00.22 | abrotman | Marius80: invalid URL |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | Marius80: what is your video card and video driver? |
| 01:00.40 | dvs | Kakila1: I'd ask dpkg but it's on vacation. |
| 01:00.41 | Kakila1 | dvs: found ti. thanks alot |
| 01:00.43 | Marius80 | they deleted my pic!!! |
| 01:00.49 | Marius80 | why did they delete the pic?! |
| 01:00.55 | Marius80 | I uploaded it a minute ago |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:00.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 01:01.21 | dvs | !tell Kakila1 about backports |
| 01:01.36 | Marius80 | abrotman, http://postimg.org/image/mquc38aaf/ |
| 01:01.50 | Kakila1 | dvs: I will take this. I understand bpo is backports |
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| 01:01.53 | Kakila1 | linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 01:02.17 | dvs | Kakila1: That has a good chance of disappearing too. |
| 01:02.18 | Kakila1 | sorry |
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| 01:02.21 | Kakila1 | 3.10 |
| 01:02.33 | Kakila1 | linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 3.10 for 64-bit PCs |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | Marius80: FYI, try picpaste.com in the future |
| 01:03.28 | abrotman | Marius80: how did you install kde and xorg? |
| 01:03.44 | Marius80 | ok I will, thank you for the advice! Did it work out this time? So could you see the image? |
| 01:04.27 | Marius80 | abrotman, actually I downloaded a Debian wheezy DVD (Number 1) so I got gnome as default desktop environment. After struggling to get wifi work, I installed "kde-full" |
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| 01:10.30 | Kakila1 | dvs: thanks a lot, installing 3.10 now. cheers |
| 01:10.35 | dvs | bye |
| 01:10.42 | Marius80 | abrotman? |
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| 01:11.09 | abrotman | Marius80: i di dask you abou tyour video card/driver |
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| 01:14.29 | Marius80 | abrotman, whatever I tried out (dmesg, lspci, ) nothing seems to be the right command. Afaik I got a nvidia card |
| 01:14.58 | Marius80 | abrotman, at least I already installed to nvidia driver and rebooted, and after that, many videos worked, but not the full HD ones |
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| 01:16.18 | Marius80 | abrotman, ok, checked it again, also the 720p videos got the same problems.... the video is a little slower than the voice at all |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | flash vidos? |
| 01:16.54 | dvs | fixes abrotman's keyboard |
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| 01:17.07 | Marius80 | no, flv and mp4 |
| 01:17.21 | Marius80 | played in vlc and kaffeine |
| 01:17.37 | reavengrey | How could I forget that I had given her an extra key~ |
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| 01:18.34 | abrotman | dvs: keybord? |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | Marius80: verify your drivers are installed correctly and working |
| 01:18.53 | dvs | heh |
| 01:19.10 | Marius80 | abrotman, could you please tell me how to check that with a command? |
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| 01:20.33 | reavengrey | lsmod | grep noveau |
| 01:20.37 | reavengrey | something like that...? |
| 01:21.10 | reavengrey | I'll save you all from this linux fiasco soon anyway |
| 01:23.27 | abrotman | reavengrey: ? |
| 01:24.36 | Marius80 | abrotman, no chance, no result, even only in "lsmod"... cannot find it |
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| 01:26.18 | Marius80 | abrotman :)) |
| 01:26.19 | Marius80 | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series] |
| 01:26.38 | abrotman | but you installed the nvidia drivers? |
| 01:26.57 | Marius80 | :( |
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| 01:27.19 | reavengrey | You probably need to blacklist the radeon driver |
| 01:27.25 | Marius80 | actually the nvidia driver did not really change anything... I thought it would have become better, but it did not |
| 01:27.40 | reavengrey | echo blacklist radeon >>/etc/modules/blacklist.conf |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | that seems like a poor idea |
| 01:27.59 | reavengrey | Actually, why would the radeon driver pick it up if it doesn't support the device |
| 01:28.07 | reavengrey | That means nvidia is the wrong driver |
| 01:28.11 | Marius80 | reavengrey, sorry before doing this: Why? |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | Marius80: he's not helping you |
| 01:28.31 | reavengrey | ^ |
| 01:28.33 | ctmjr | wow |
| 01:28.40 | reavengrey | You want fglrx |
| 01:28.48 | waynr | if i have wlan0 that i use as me default route and usb0 that i want to use for a particular public ip address, should i be able to use 'ip route add <public_ip> dev usb0'? |
| 01:28.50 | reavengrey | Not noveau etc |
| 01:28.58 | Marius80 | sorry for asking why, but I remember, when I was 16 yrs old, somebody really told me a "rm -rf /" in a chatroom |
| 01:29.05 | waynr | (maybe this is the wrong place for asking) |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | Marius80: please don't joke abou tthat |
| 01:29.41 | Marius80 | abrotman, actually I don't joke, it was a german html and programmers chat and I asked if I can switch off my pc using the shell |
| 01:29.45 | reavengrey | Marius80 your card is an ATI/AMD chip, so nvidia drivers don't work for it |
| 01:29.55 | reavengrey | If you don't like the radeon driver try fglrx |
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| 01:30.30 | abrotman | Marius80: it's not amusing |
| 01:30.31 | Marius80 | how can I... a) find out what driver I should install b) select the driver to use? |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | Marius80: you likely need the fglrx driver, /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 01:31.09 | reavengrey | Marius80: the linux device tree works really weirdly |
| 01:31.18 | ctmjr | Marius80, and get rid of the nvidia driver |
| 01:31.21 | reavengrey | shrugs, but your answer is fglrx |
| 01:31.34 | reavengrey | He can even keep the nvidia driver, it won't affect him in any way |
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| 01:31.50 | reavengrey | The driver won't try to control a device it doesn't support |
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| 01:32.32 | Marius80 | ok the fglrx driver is beeing installed now |
| 01:33.16 | oliver117 | hey guys.. had trouble building gnat and so i was wondering.. gcc supports c,c++,java,go,d,fortran,objc,obj-c++ |
| 01:33.18 | oliver117 | why not ada? |
| 01:33.58 | Th0masR0ss | Here isn't the right place |
| 01:34.07 | reavengrey | When you built GCC, did you pass --enable-languages=ada? |
| 01:34.26 | oliver117 | I mean the binaries in the repos |
| 01:34.40 | reavengrey | ,v gnat |
| 01:34.41 | judd | Package: gnat on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4+1; jessie: 4.6; sid: 4.6; wheezy: 4.6 |
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| 01:34.59 | reavengrey | ,v gnat --architecture=amd64 |
| 01:35.00 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 01:35.14 | reavengrey | The package is there :O |
| 01:35.19 | dvs | hides from the military |
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| 01:36.07 | oliver117 | yeah, im building a cross gnat but needed another gnat version and then i had trouble because of conflicts between gnat,gcc,binutils |
| 01:36.31 | oliver117 | so what I just thought was that it would probably be not a problem to "integrate" gnat into the regular gcc build |
| 01:36.37 | reavengrey | You usually need to build a cross binutils for the target too |
| 01:36.47 | Marius80 | abrotman, reavengrey: the radeon driver might be no so bad.... please have a look at the "shied" I got during installation |
| 01:36.47 | Marius80 | http://pastebin.com/7VZYQKQG |
| 01:36.49 | abrotman | oliver117: probably more of a question for #gcc or #gnu as to why they aren't integrated |
| 01:37.14 | oliver117 | isn't that a decision made by the package maintainer? |
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| 01:37.24 | abrotman | Marius80: okay, then use the 'radeon' driver and make sure you've got the firmware installed |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | oliver117: not if upstream has them separated |
| 01:37.58 | reavengrey | oliver117: If you're cross compiling, then the package repos don't really matter |
| 01:38.06 | oliver117 | reavengrey: you need gnat to build gnat, but gnat uses gcc because part of the sources are c |
| 01:38.21 | Marius80 | abrotman, the radeon driver already is in use, isn't it? |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | Marius80: and the firmware ? |
| 01:38.30 | reavengrey | Ah, kk, then I suppose apt-get install gnat |
| 01:38.41 | oliver117 | so I was building gnat 4.7, for that you need a lower version of gnat, but then I ran into problems because i had gnat 4.6 and gcc 4.8 installed |
| 01:38.57 | reavengrey | Just get the upstream package |
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| 01:39.12 | reavengrey | Then use that to build the cross compiler, should work fine |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | Marius80: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:39.58 | oliver117 | yeah, that works, but then its not in the package management |
| 01:40.08 | oliver117 | nvm, you guys are obviously not interested.. |
| 01:41.12 | reavengrey | apt-get install gnat works for me -- check your sources.list |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | reavengrey: you're not addressing his problem/question |
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| 01:41.48 | reavengrey | My bad, I'm probably misunderstanding then |
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| 01:42.02 | reavengrey | oliver117: I build cross compilers as part of my project though |
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| 01:42.15 | reavengrey | If you explain I can prolly help, no guarantees |
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| 01:42.57 | Marius80 | abrotman, I could find out, that the firmware for this card is beeing found in "firmware-linux-nonfree" which I just installed. Shall I reboot? |
| 01:43.06 | Losowski | z |
| 01:43.36 | oliver117 | well, I was building gnat 4.7 with enable-languages=c,c++,ada and target=avr |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | Marius80: good plan |
| 01:44.09 | oliver117 | to build gnat 4.7 you need a gnat with version <= 4.7 because of some f* up in the makefiles |
| 01:44.30 | Marius80 | ok, see you soon! |
| 01:44.32 | Marius80 | bye |
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| 01:45.28 | oliver117 | I can get gnat 4.6 from the repos, but during the build process gcc4.8 (installed from repo) gets called |
| 01:45.41 | oliver117 | so essentially what i have to do is install everything from upstream |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | oliver117: (might be easier to follow if you typed more on one line) |
| 01:46.15 | oliver117 | im not sure I understand that myself.. |
| 01:46.16 | reavengrey | oliver117: Set the MAKE variable to the correct ADA compiler |
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| 01:46.56 | reavengrey | You're saying that during the build, the makefiles should be calling the gcc-4.6 GNAT, but they call a gcc-4.7 GNAT instead right? |
| 01:47.39 | reavengrey | You want to do something like 'CC=gnat-4.6 make', but whatever the equivalent variable name is for ADA compilers |
| 01:48.00 | oliver117 | well what I wanted to say is that it would be nice to have gcc in the repos built with ada |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | oliver117: file a wishlist bug on gcc |
| 01:48.25 | oliver117 | so that you dont happen to have half of your toolchain in version x while another is version y |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | see how much shorter my answer was :) |
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| 01:49.36 | oliver117 | ok |
| 01:49.41 | oliver117 | willdo, ciao |
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| 01:54.33 | Marius80 | re |
| 01:55.01 | Marius80 | abrotman, I have the feeling, that it became much better, but it is still not as it was with my last system (ubuntu) |
| 01:55.23 | reavengrey | It's the same kernel |
| 01:55.27 | Marius80 | since ubuntu derivates from debian, I guess it's still a software / driver / firmware / whatever missing |
| 01:55.31 | reavengrey | And the same driver code running, its linux |
| 01:55.49 | reavengrey | If you want the same behaviour get the kernel version that ubuntu is using |
| 01:56.02 | reavengrey | And you should get the same behaviour |
| 01:56.06 | Marius80 | one thing I wonder is, what the sound is a little cracky within the first 2 - 3 seconds |
| 01:56.26 | Marius80 | me? was I inpolite? |
| 01:56.35 | reavengrey | No, not at all :O |
| 01:57.14 | Marius80 | reavengrey, please tell me the truth, was there anything inpolite about me? |
| 01:57.25 | Marius80 | if someone got that feeling, I would like to say sorry |
| 01:57.56 | reavengrey | No, idk why you think that, all I said is that if you want the same behaviour from the kernel/driver, you need the same kernel/driver version |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | Marius80: does it work or not? |
| 01:58.18 | Marius80 | ah that's what you are talking about |
| 01:58.25 | Marius80 | I thought I should behave better |
| 01:58.40 | Marius80 | sorry english is not my first language |
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| 01:58.46 | Marius80 | abrotman, not very good but better |
| 01:59.10 | Marius80 | the sound is still a little messy when opening a video... but only in the first 2 to 3 seconds |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | that's a bit vague .. either it works or it does not |
| 01:59.31 | Marius80 | ok, up to 720p it works (talking about the video itself) |
| 01:59.41 | Marius80 | 1080 (full hd) does not work |
| 01:59.56 | Marius80 | the sound (as I said) is busted to 2 to 3 seconds which annoys |
| 02:00.01 | reavengrey | That shouldn't have anything to do with the driver |
| 02:00.10 | Marius80 | especially when booting or shutting down I get a very cracking noise |
| 02:00.20 | reavengrey | Oh, well nvm |
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| 02:03.03 | Marius80 | when I open "alsamixer", why are there only 2 channels? |
| 02:03.12 | Marius80 | same goes for the mixer applet in KDE |
| 02:03.24 | Marius80 | on ubuntu, there were much more channels |
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| 02:03.48 | reavengrey | Sounds like the kernel version you had under ubuntu had better driver support for your board |
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| 02:04.01 | reavengrey | Can try a higher kernel version, maybe from backports |
| 02:04.14 | reavengrey | !tell Marius80 about backports |
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| 02:16.57 | Marius80 | well, and what's the problem about the sound now? thats not only a video problem, it affects every sound |
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| 02:36.52 | Blue1 | I am on 64 bit wheezy - when I run google-earth (which I d/l the deb from the site) it hard locks the system -- I can't get to console. this happened to anyone? |
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| 02:56.45 | Blue1 | getting this error when running google earth: |
| 02:56.45 | Blue1 | Failed to load "/opt/google/earth/free/libinput_plugin.so" because "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./libLeap.so)" |
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| 03:01.10 | rryoumaa | if 0ad just creates a black screen, does that mean my video card is incompatible or something? |
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| 03:51.58 | monkwitdafunk | Hi #debian, im going to give debian 7 series a shot on my first raid setup |
| 03:52.18 | jetscreamer | and the crowd goes wild!!! |
| 03:52.30 | monkwitdafunk | Im going to keep debian 7 until end of life |
| 03:52.38 | jetscreamer | !congratulate monkwitdafunk |
| 03:52.38 | dpkg | Nice one monkwitdafunk, you did it! |
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| 03:52.47 | monkwitdafunk | Haha |
| 03:53.02 | monkwitdafunk | Yeah |
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| 04:06.26 | teslatony | I'm looking to install Debian on my laptop. Do I only need the DVD-1 image, or do I need all three? |
| 04:07.42 | blitzed | hiya teslatony I usually go with the LXDE ISO |
| 04:08.03 | blitzed | you could even just use the netinstall |
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| 04:08.29 | monkwitdafunk | Latest stable is 7.1.0 thats all you need if you can find all packages and tarballs to.function your system |
| 04:08.35 | blitzed | minimize wear & tear on laptop, but just installing the latest using netinstall |
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| 04:08.51 | evanton | hello, I am trying to rebuild the package for chromium from source and this is what I'm getting at the end: "/usr/bin/ld.gold.real: fatal error: out/Release/chrome: mmap: failed to allocate 1872520756 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 04:08.55 | teslatony | blitzed: Does the netinstall need a live internet conection to work? |
| 04:09.00 | evanton | what should I do to fix this? |
| 04:09.08 | blitzed | teslatony yeah |
| 04:09.57 | monkwitdafunk | Netinstall sounds like a dhcp server over the internet. Idk |
| 04:09.58 | teslatony | blitzed: I have never had good luck with those |
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| 04:10.15 | themill | teslatony: depends on whether the packages you want to install are already on the CD or not. (the netinst has enough to do complete a basic installation) |
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| 04:10.40 | blitzed | teslatony then I'd go for the Debian LXDE disc on a laptop, or maybe try CrunchBang |
| 04:11.03 | monkwitdafunk | Why not have a dhcp.server over the internet? smart enabled.memory can be on a secure site |
| 04:11.56 | teslatony | blitzed: Thanks, though not quite what I was asking. Does the debian-7.1.0-i386-DVD-1.iso have everything I need for a functional computer to run? |
| 04:12.30 | themill | teslatony: if you want to install gnome, yes. If you want KDE, then no. |
| 04:12.40 | themill | (or at least "possibly not") |
| 04:12.41 | teslatony | OK, thanks |
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| 04:20.25 | blitzed | teslatony sorry, I've never used the DVD images |
| 04:21.15 | teslatony | No worries. Thanks for the help |
| 04:21.31 | jetscreamer | been a while since i used it, but netinstall always works flawlessly for debian |
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| 04:22.10 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a lot of kde on it |
| 04:22.14 | jetscreamer | dvd 1 |
| 04:22.18 | jetscreamer | i could be wrong |
| 04:23.27 | codygman | My beep isn't working and no it isn't muted in alsamixer. It's actually not even available in alsamixer. It also isn't an option in my bios anywhere. |
| 04:23.54 | codygman | (yes I clicked F5 for "all" in alsamixer) |
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| 04:25.42 | codygman | jetscreamer: Netinstall always works great for me too |
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| 04:26.27 | blitzed | yeah, I usually use netinstall, unless I am lazy and want a quick LXDE box |
| 04:26.42 | codygman | teslatony: Yes dvd/cd 1 has everything a functional computer needs if you mean does it have a window manager. |
| 04:27.16 | codygman | IIRC... actually I just know it has X. I installed xmonad and never tried installing gnome or anything now that I think back. |
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| 04:28.06 | evanton | xmonad is still kinda heavy for a lightweight setup, it drags ghc I think |
| 04:28.29 | codygman | ah I see your question was answered and dvd 1 does have gnome. |
| 04:28.39 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ neat |
| 04:28.39 | vipzrx | hello ， i found a bug in ibus-el in debian sid 。 |
| 04:28.46 | vipzrx | d |
| 04:28.49 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 04:28.49 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:28.53 | jetscreamer | toops |
| 04:28.56 | vipzrx | kl' |
| 04:29.05 | codygman | evanton: Indeed! It drags all of ghc in... while I use ghc I know it makes it less appealing to others. Though I prefer xmonads configuration over awesomes. I was using dwm at one time though :D |
| 04:29.35 | evanton | another smaller thing worth trying is i3 |
| 04:29.38 | vipzrx | 1 |
| 04:29.39 | vipzrx | 、 |
| 04:29.50 | jetscreamer | !tell vipzrx -about bug |
| 04:29.57 | evanton | I made the transition in the opposite direction xmonad -> dwm and I'm fine with it |
| 04:30.08 | codygman | evanton: I'll try it. I actually need to give awesome a try since the configuration thing was in flux while I made my evaluations between tiling window managers. |
| 04:30.46 | evanton | there's also that thing wmfs2, that's the name IIRC |
| 04:31.17 | evanton | it's a small tiling manager, not so popular than the others, but the developers seem to be really nice and helpful to newbies |
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| 04:31.44 | codygman | evanton: xmonad also has the advantage of making learning haskell more useful to me ;) |
| 04:31.45 | finchd | ratpoison only needs glibc readline & perl, i've been playing with it on a salix box |
| 04:31.57 | rjsalts | why has ratpoison fallenout of vogue? |
| 04:32.02 | codygman | finchd: ooohhh that can be useful on some things... something that small. |
| 04:32.07 | rjsalts | fallen out even |
| 04:32.23 | evanton | codygman: been there, tried many times, no luck so far :) |
| 04:32.39 | finchd | rjsalts: it was in at some time? |
| 04:32.45 | evanton | rjsalts: its emacsish hotkeys give certain people RSI |
| 04:33.11 | codygman | evanton: I'm having a good time with haskell... perhaps I'm a weirdo? All my friends keep telling me there are some things you can't do with functional programming (haskell) but I haven't hit any of those limitations yet. |
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| 04:34.25 | evanton | codygman: it just looks too much like math to me, and that's scary. or my mind is being biased hard by bits of other programming languages i know. however, this isn't about debian and i guess i should stop here :) |
| 04:34.28 | rjsalts | I'd say can't is too strong a word. |
| 04:35.45 | evanton | and my debian question already got scrolled up and became invisible :( |
| 04:35.45 | rjsalts | there is always #debian-offtopic |
| 04:35.45 | codygman | rjsalts: I'm sorry I am being offtopic. |
| 04:35.45 | codygman | is relocating... evanton: also searching to see what your question was :D |
| 04:36.21 | finchd | codygman: it's building chromium from source, a mmap oom error |
| 04:36.51 | codygman | evanton: Are you on a small machine? IIRC building chromium source took a bit of memory. |
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| 04:37.32 | rjsalts | evanton: yeah. looks like an oom error. It's trying to memory map a file of some kind and not having enough free ram on your system |
| 04:37.37 | evanton | codygman: 1G RAM, 4G swamp |
| 04:37.39 | evanton | *swap |
| 04:37.45 | reavengrey | 4G swamp son |
| 04:37.54 | finchd | 1872520756 bytes = 1.7GB? |
| 04:38.22 | evanton | reavengrey: this isn't funny, I'm close to the point of raging and just starting to call people names for no reason :) |
| 04:38.32 | evanton | finchd: yup |
| 04:38.40 | rjsalts | finchd: yep |
| 04:38.40 | codygman | evanton: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=141624 |
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| 04:38.49 | evanton | codygman: I have also found this http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/Yzs4BHZkNYySJ9gj6QZ2#MfjKzlYReOnFr1A |
| 04:39.09 | evanton | here there are 4G RAM 8G swap (almost typed swamp again) |
| 04:39.53 | rjsalts | evanton: 32bit kernel? |
| 04:40.02 | evanton | rjsalts: I'm trying to do this on a 32bit system, indeed |
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| 04:40.19 | rjsalts | evanton: anything in dmesg? |
| 04:40.30 | evanton | it's a PAE one though |
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| 04:40.33 | evanton | let me check dmesg |
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| 04:40.44 | codygman | evanton: Use a 64-bit machine. The 32-bit linker can't map more than 3gb into its address space. |
| 04:40.50 | codygman | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.chromium.devel/37630 |
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| 04:41.03 | rjsalts | evanton: yeah, PAE isn't quite as good as being able to actually address all the memory |
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| 04:41.25 | evanton | dmesg is clean |
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| 04:41.27 | rjsalts | evanton: free -l ( low memory and high memory) lots of waste, etc. |
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| 04:42.23 | rjsalts | or at least a 64 bit kernel |
| 04:42.26 | evanton | I'd be glad to use the official chromium package, but I'm trying to build chromedriver as part of it since the binary provided by chromium project for linux doesn't work on debian wheezy because it's compiled against a newer version of glibc :( |
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| 04:42.51 | evanton | getting things to work on a 32bit system is a requirement I can't change |
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| 04:43.15 | codygman | evanton: you can compile for 32bit from 64 bit? |
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| 04:43.44 | rjsalts | codygman: you meant that as a statement right? |
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| 04:43.51 | codygman | evanton: |
| 04:43.53 | codygman | rjsalts: Yes |
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| 04:44.02 | codygman | as a proposed solution |
| 04:45.03 | evanton | codygman: I don't have a 64bit system to compile on |
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| 04:45.36 | evanton | maybe there's some build service I could use to compile a custom package? |
| 04:45.48 | codygman | evanton: :/ That's a problem. One solution would be a ec2 microinstance with wheezy on it, then compile for your 32 bit. |
| 04:46.07 | codygman | probably a better free (ec2 reqs. credit card) hosting solution tho |
| 04:46.26 | evanton | I live under a rock, I don't have a credit card :D |
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| 04:46.38 | evanton | and I won't leak details about it online anyway if I'd have one |
| 04:47.07 | evanton | this is all so complicated just because noone bothered to package chromedriver for debian and put it in the repo :( |
| 04:47.25 | codygman | evanton: fair enough, I'd suggest finding a free hosting service that provides a 64bit os for you to cross compile from. |
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| 04:49.35 | rjsalts | head down to the local library with a usb key and ask nicely? |
| 04:49.51 | jetscreamer | ok now i know i'm on irc |
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| 04:50.10 | evanton | lives in a world where libraries don't have computers yet |
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| 04:50.19 | evanton | they have books! |
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| 04:50.32 | evanton | and a few ancient librarians, just like in roguelike games |
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| 04:53.36 | jetscreamer | i remember when our library first got a computer you had to put money in it to make it work like pacman |
| 04:54.10 | jetscreamer | back when zork came out or so |
| 04:54.37 | jetscreamer | 15 min blocks or something |
| 04:54.55 | rjsalts | points #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:56.41 | jetscreamer | !spocksmite rjsalts |
| 04:56.41 | dpkg | uses the vulcan neck pinch on rjsalts. |
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| 04:56.47 | finchd | evanton: btw, what was wrong with the debian-biult package: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/chromium-browser |
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| 04:58.13 | evanton | finchd: i need chromedriver (its code lives in the chromium source code tree). the binary shipped by chromium project for linux doesn't work in debian, see above. i am trying to rebuild chromium from source and get chromedriver to build too, since there's no separate package for chromedriver in the debian repo |
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| 04:59.39 | dpkg | :), jetscreamer |
| 04:59.43 | jetscreamer | later |
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| 05:27.38 | yudi | I am thinking of setting up a Debian backup server to save files from other devices, what filesystem should I go for, I would have liked to use btrfs but considerting that it's still not production ready, what is the next best option |
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| 05:29.03 | toastydeath | the only comparable filesystem to btrfs is zfs |
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| 05:31.34 | yudi | toastydeath: my initial preference was freebsd, but it does not support suspend to disk, I dont want to run the system 24/7 |
| 05:32.21 | toastydeath | not sure what the connection from suspend to filesystem choice is? |
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| 05:33.35 | yudi | toastydeath: no connection, it's one of the requirements, so I dropped the idea of using freebsd and started looking for other options |
| 05:33.43 | toastydeath | oh |
| 05:33.58 | toastydeath | so the deal on linux is that all the high performance filesystems are somewhat edge cases. |
| 05:34.12 | toastydeath | ZFS is the clear choice for most folks but it's not, and never will be, mainline kernel |
| 05:34.22 | toastydeath | so you will be rolling your own, to a certain extent |
| 05:34.47 | toastydeath | XFS is high performance, moreso than ZFS, but is subject to data corruption AND doesn't play nice with LVM |
| 05:35.47 | toastydeath | which is why a lot of folks wind up ruling it out; filesystem performance just isn't that important compared to the bottlenecks one usually encounters |
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| 05:36.47 | toastydeath | considering that OpenSUSE is about to include btrfs, my personal feeling is that the "not ready for production" issue is mostly posturing |
| 05:37.15 | toastydeath | and that most of the "stable" filesystems have known issues as well that must be mitigated through the standard means (replication and backup) |
| 05:37.20 | yudi | toastydeath: given that btrfs is being used in production by oracle and suse, wonder what kernel they are using |
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| 05:38.51 | iamarto | hi everyone |
| 05:39.08 | yudi | reading btrfs wiki pages, 3.2 seems tobe the minimum as I will be using encryption (luks) |
| 05:39.14 | iamarto | yesterday I have spend about 5 hours.. trying to prepare a USB for debian installation... |
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| 05:39.46 | iamarto | I was able to copy the ISO on the USB device.. but the only problem I faced is that the laptop required non-free firmware drivers for the WIFI... |
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| 05:39.54 | toastydeath | yudi, you're using encryption? |
| 05:40.11 | iamarto | so I had to make a second partition on the USB and put the firmwares in.. HOW CAN I DO THAT? please? |
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| 05:41.03 | yudi | toastydeath: yes |
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| 05:42.43 | yudi | toastydeath: works without any issue on my laptop although not btrfs but ext, but I have run a test setup with btrfs, not much of an issue. |
| 05:42.54 | toastydeath | cool |
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| 05:44.56 | yudi | the test was with arch+LVM+root on btrfs, had to use LVM even though btrfs has the same ability as btrfs does not handle swap on it I had to use a logical volume and then create swap partition+ btrfs fo the rest. |
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| 05:49.17 | SId2 | i want to execute a bash file from php |
| 05:49.31 | SId2 | bas file creates a directory in opt/lampp/htdocs folder |
| 05:49.35 | SId2 | but when i run this |
| 05:49.41 | SId2 | it giver serror |
| 05:49.44 | SId2 | permission denied |
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| 05:49.54 | yudi | iamarto: I think it prompts you to plug in an usb with the firmware on it during installation, doesn't it |
| 05:49.57 | SId2 | i have supplied all permissions |
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| 05:51.18 | iamarto | yudi, yes.. but I just have ONE usb.. and I am installing from it.. so I need to make a second parition as the debian documentaiton recommended.. but I didn't know how to make a second partition without ruining the first one.. the first one is written on /dev/sdb |
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| 05:52.56 | yudi | iamarto: did you use dd to make the USB drive? |
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| 05:53.09 | iamarto | yudi.. I tried both.. DD and CP |
| 05:53.59 | yudi | can you please post the link to the documentation you are following |
| 05:54.25 | iamarto | yudi, sure |
| 05:55.25 | SId2 | any help |
| 05:55.39 | SId2 | bash script couldnot ctrate directory in opt/lampp/htdocs |
| 05:55.46 | SId2 | permission denied |
| 05:55.52 | SId2 | i have supplied all permissions |
| 05:55.56 | iamarto | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 06:01.00 | Myrtti | SId2: why you'd use LAMPP to install LAMP stack is beyond me... there are better ways. |
| 06:01.13 | SId2 | yes tell me |
| 06:01.21 | SId2 | i want to use php |
| 06:02.41 | yudi | iamarto: if you are not using the mini.iso, you will have to create the two partitions first and then copy the the image file to the first partition and firmware to the second. # cp debian.iso /dev/sdX1 |
| 06:02.45 | yudi | then # sync |
| 06:03.07 | Myrtti | SId2: https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 06:04.43 | SId2 | i will be giving this to a client |
| 06:04.44 | iamarto | yudi, ok. So I shouldn't use the mini.iso in this case? Also, what partition TYPE for the 2 partitions? |
| 06:04.49 | SId2 | is there a better way |
| 06:05.00 | yudi | iamarto: note sdX1 is the first partition on the sdX device and sdX2 will be the second |
| 06:05.00 | Myrtti | SId2: that's the official, best way of doing it |
| 06:05.19 | SId2 | means this will provide lampp with all possible permissions |
| 06:05.34 | SId2 | could i write to any file |
| 06:05.47 | yudi | you can use mini.iso, it's convenient as it creates the second partition, |
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| 06:05.49 | Myrtti | to any file? Why on earth would you want to do that? that's unsecure. |
| 06:06.02 | yudi | iamarto: form the link you posted > You might have written the mini.iso to the USB stick. In this case the second partition doesn't have to be created as, very nicely, it will already be present. Unplugging and replugging the USB stick should make the two partitions visible. |
| 06:06.25 | yudi | if you can use mini.iso |
| 06:06.27 | SId2 | im not able to even create a file in /opt/lampp/htdocs |
| 06:06.36 | SId2 | could i do this |
| 06:06.45 | themill | "/opt/lampp"? you're doing it all wrong... |
| 06:06.56 | Myrtti | themill: IKR |
| 06:07.02 | iamarto | yudi, this description on the Debian documentation is not very clear for me.. it's very very vague.. |
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| 06:07.44 | iamarto | yudi, does it mean if I DD mini.iso on an unpartitioned USB, it will automatically create 2 partitions? |
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| 06:08.23 | yudi | iamarto: you will have to try, just be carefull not to erase any other partitions with data, |
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| 06:08.55 | SId2 | tell how to do it |
| 06:08.58 | yudi | iamarto: that's how I read it |
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| 06:09.18 | SId2 | thyemill i have installed lampp in opt |
| 06:09.46 | iamarto | yudi, so how *we* read it.. that the mini iso should make 2 partitions automatically? Ok.. what if I will get a normal ISO and I want to create 2 partitions on the USB, how I do it? Which Type? |
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| 06:10.02 | themill | dpkg: tell SId2 about lamp |
| 06:10.37 | SId2 | could i run lampp from outside opt |
| 06:11.14 | themill | there's no need to install lampp with debian and it makes no sense to do so |
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| 06:12.06 | SId2 | so what should i do |
| 06:12.20 | SId2 | i am making php application for linux |
| 06:12.22 | themill | what dpkg told you |
| 06:12.36 | SId2 | he told me nothing |
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| 06:14.35 | SId2 | how to install and run lampp outise from opt |
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| 06:15.58 | mationn | Hi |
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| 06:17.38 | SId2 | how to run lampp from outise opt |
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| 06:19.27 | yudi | iamarto: FAT |
| 06:19.42 | iamarto | yudi, 16 or 32? |
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| 06:19.46 | yudi | 32 |
| 06:19.50 | iamarto | ok |
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| 06:20.12 | powermaniac | Excuse me, but how do I check that MTP is installed? |
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| 06:23.01 | SPF | powermaniac: maybe dpkg -l | grep -i mtp ? |
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| 06:23.27 | powermaniac | SPF: Thanks |
| 06:24.40 | iamarto | yudi, we got it right :) mini.iso makes 2 partitions.. works like magic! |
| 06:25.52 | SId2 | any help |
| 06:26.09 | SId2 | i couldnot write a file in opt |
| 06:26.44 | yudi | iamarto: nice, best of luck |
| 06:27.35 | themill | SId2: please use the debian packages for these tools as dpkg told you. |
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| 06:28.35 | iamarto | yudi, thanks |
| 06:28.48 | iamarto | yudi, I have personal question.. what do you think of Crunchbag? |
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| 06:28.56 | themill | SId2: the messages from dpkg will have appeared in a separate chat tab in your irc client |
| 06:29.48 | SId2 | i just want to know lampp doesnot writes file in opt |
| 06:29.52 | SId2 | how coukld i do that |
| 06:29.57 | SId2 | i have given all permissions |
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| 06:31.07 | yudi | iamarto: sorry never used it, The reason I like Debian is because it's Rock Solid, never had it crash or cause any issues |
| 06:31.09 | themill | SId2: #debian supports debian packages not whatever other random crap you want to play with |
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| 06:31.33 | Myrtti | SId2: if you've given some random stuff chmod 777, you're going to have a SUPER bad time. |
| 06:31.34 | SId2 | i have installed lampp sa debian package |
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| 06:32.33 | themill | SId2: there is no package called "lampp" in debian. |
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| 06:33.00 | SId2 | its not called lampp |
| 06:33.12 | SId2 | another name |
| 06:33.18 | themill | SId2: you're being really vague and that's really annoying. |
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| 06:33.46 | SId2 | tell me just one thing |
| 06:33.56 | SId2 | i want a file with all ownership |
| 06:34.05 | SId2 | means any user can modify.... any operation |
| 06:34.15 | Myrtti | no, no you dont |
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| 06:35.31 | SId2 | is there a way |
| 06:36.22 | Vasistha | SId2: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+file+permissions+chmod |
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| 06:36.45 | SId2 | no i dont want this |
| 06:36.58 | SId2 | chwon to everyone |
| 06:38.21 | Vasistha | SId2: no, that is not possible. |
| 06:38.38 | SId2 | ok |
| 06:38.40 | Vasistha | SId2: what is your *real* question? What is the problem you are encountering? |
| 06:38.45 | SId2 | no other way |
| 06:38.52 | SId2 | my probem is that |
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| 06:39.01 | SId2 | i want to access files in opt directory |
| 06:39.05 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 06:39.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:39.10 | SId2 | to be able to read... everything |
| 06:39.39 | Vasistha | and why is that a problem? |
| 06:39.49 | SId2 | im not able to do that; |
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| 06:39.58 | SId2 | permission denied; |
| 06:40.16 | SId2 | exec("echo text > myfile.txt"); |
| 06:40.22 | SId2 | permission denied; |
| 06:40.28 | SId2 | i have supplied all permissions; |
| 06:40.52 | themill | SId2: could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg php5 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql; apt-cache policy" for us? |
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| 06:41.25 | SId2 | means?? |
| 06:41.55 | Myrtti | it means exactly that |
| 06:41.57 | themill | dpkg: tell SId2 about pastebin |
| 06:42.17 | SId2 | plz let me know how could i solve my problem |
| 06:42.21 | SId2 | permission denied; |
| 06:42.47 | SId2 | exec("echo text > myfile.txt"); |
| 06:42.49 | themill | SId2: please provide the requested information |
| 06:42.56 | SId2 | im runnig this in php; |
| 06:42.59 | Vasistha | SId2: I'm not going to help you until you provide the requested info either |
| 06:43.16 | SId2 | ok |
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| 06:43.55 | SId2 | libc6: |
| 06:43.55 | SId2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.56 | SId2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.56 | SId2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.56 | SId2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:44.04 | themill | is not surprised |
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| 06:44.29 | themill | SId2: (a) you were asked not to paste this information here (b) this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 06:44.44 | SId2 | o my god im working on ubuntu |
| 06:44.52 | SId2 | and thats based on debian; |
| 06:45.17 | SId2 | u asked for this information or anything else?? |
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| 06:45.27 | Vasistha | SId2: we could spend 30 minutes trying to help you, only to discover that you are dealing with a problem that exists in ubuntu, but which does not exist in debian. There are lots of problems like that. Thus, we will not help you here. |
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| 06:53.28 | quinn_ | Is there a reason why nvidia-kernel-dkms depends on nvidia-kernel-common, which doesn't exist? |
| 06:53.53 | quinn_ | As well as nvidia-installer-cleanup which also doesn't exist. |
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| 06:54.08 | themill | both those packages definitely exist |
| 06:54.11 | themill | dpkg: tell quinn_ about bat |
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| 06:54.31 | somiaj | quinn_: sounds like you don't have contrib enabled, but only non-free |
| 06:54.50 | quinn_ | I'll double-check. |
| 06:55.03 | vipzrx | http://paste.lisp.org/display/139227 |
| 06:55.10 | quinn_ | You're right, the first two lines don't have it. |
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| 07:33.39 | mrbean | Hi, I used aptitude's GUI and it removed a lot of packages that aptitude CLIO didn't told me about. How is that? I use CLI mainly. |
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| 07:42.02 | powermaniac | Hi, is there a .bootimg and .img for Debian so I can follow this guide but install Debian? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation Thanks. |
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| 07:48.07 | tralala | powermaniac, why don't you follow this guide instead: |
| 07:48.09 | tralala | !ig |
| 07:48.09 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 07:51.21 | powermaniac | tralala: Thanks will check that out |
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| 07:56.36 | Myrtti | I'd be surprised if that would work with a debian image |
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| 08:11.44 | evanton | I have this file chromium-browser_29.0.1547.57.orig.tar.xz which I got by doing apt-get source chromium. How do I get a link pointing to this file in a debian repository (to avoid uploading this huge file myself to OBS)? |
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| 08:12.05 | ExeciN | how do I set something to automatically execute after logon? |
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| 08:15.24 | rjsalts | ExeciN: you could put it in your .profile, if it was a gui app there are ways to start things there with most desktop/window managers. Most primitive being editing .xinit |
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| 08:17.02 | pirret | äö |
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| 08:21.10 | ExeciN | rjsalts: do i just type my command at the end of the file? |
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| 08:22.10 | well_laid_lawn | ExeciN: if you use startx you can have a command in ~/.xinitrc |
| 08:22.28 | rjsalts | ExeciN: what's the command? |
| 08:22.46 | rjsalts | ExeciN: is it a gui app? |
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| 08:22.56 | rjsalts | ExeciN: or console only? |
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| 08:24.44 | ExeciN | rjsalts: cli, it is "synclient PalmDetect=1" well_laid_lawn: I am logging in in after the xserver is automatically started |
| 08:25.23 | linux-fox | #flood |
| 08:26.08 | well_laid_lawn | ExeciN: if you are using a de then it should have it's own autostart - you caould add the command to a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 08:26.15 | rjsalts | ExeciN: It's a gui app really. I'd use your desktop environment's/window manager's startup hooks |
| 08:26.31 | rjsalts | ExeciN: well, not gui, but X application |
| 08:26.37 | tralala | ExeciN, some environments have autostart feature that allows you to run anything you like. I suspect yours has it. |
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| 08:26.56 | ExeciN | What about xfce? |
| 08:27.00 | tralala | it does |
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| 08:27.11 | tralala | settings -> session and startup |
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| 08:27.31 | jeo | hi :) |
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| 08:28.12 | ExeciN | thanks I never noticed that settings pane |
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| 08:53.52 | boudiccas | i'm trying to compile a programme [hexchat] and the config is faling saying 'configure: error: Cannot find python-2.7', but this is on wheezy with python2.7. how do i configure it please? |
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| 08:54.51 | ChrisH | boudiccas: you will need the packages ending with -dev here |
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| 08:55.34 | boudiccas | ChrisH; well duh to me! sorry, i'd forgotten! |
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| 08:56.56 | cheeseboy | how do I get initramfs to execute something before it begins locating lvm volumes? I put it in local-top and local-premount and its still excuted after |
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| 09:03.28 | Vasistha | cheeseboy: I'm not 100% sure ... I've done this but it's been a couple years. The two things I'm inclined towards would be to put your script in init-bottom (I'm pretty sure that comes before local-top) or to add a PREREQ to lvm for your script - although that latter one is a bit tacky. |
| 09:04.06 | Vasistha | cheeseboy: I'd probably go with the former, put the script in init-bottom, and maybe you need to make sure udev has run before your script goes |
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| 09:10.03 | evanton | .ÊÇÛÅ |
| 09:10.06 | evanton | sorry |
| 09:11.15 | cheeseboy | is there a way to resume where boot failed in busybox? |
| 09:11.23 | czytacz | hi, I have a problem with maximizing apps in #! with openbox - when I select maximize in app window or fullscreen mode in browser (f11) it only takes a part of the screen instead of filling it. Crunchbang is 99% debian, so maybe someone encountered this problem. Any ideas? |
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| 09:12.18 | jelly | czytacz: #! is not debian, we do not know what changes they may have made so you have to ask them |
| 09:12.22 | jelly | !crunchbang |
| 09:12.22 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 09:12.55 | jelly | that 1% difference makes for all sorts of uncertainty |
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| 09:16.28 | czytacz | that's too bad |
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| 09:17.33 | Konomi | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full <- how would I contact the maintainer of this list to tell them one of the so called mirrors hasn't updated their security mirror since 2007? |
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| 09:21.14 | OpenTokix | Konomi: To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org. For other contact information, see the Debian contact page |
| 09:21.20 | OpenTokix | Konomi: in the bottom of the page |
| 09:21.27 | Konomi | thanks I somehow missed it |
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| 09:27.18 | Iridos | Konomi, security.debian.org is not supposed to be mirrored. For exactly the reason that outdated security updates wouldn't be useful |
| 09:27.22 | Iridos | dpkg, security |
| 09:27.23 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 09:27.47 | Konomi | Iridos: why are they listed on the mirror sites then? |
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| 09:29.35 | Iridos | hm, I have no idea... |
| 09:29.46 | CissWit | i don't see why it wouldn't be supposed to be mirrored |
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| 09:30.33 | Iridos | well, it can be, but the installer automatically adds security.debian.org and also http://www.debian.org/security/ doesn't suggest using a mirror |
| 09:30.36 | Konomi | there's nothing the security team faq eitheer |
| 09:31.05 | Iridos | there is... http://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror |
| 09:31.05 | Konomi | hmm actually I found something |
| 09:31.09 | Konomi | yeah |
| 09:31.18 | Konomi | that doesn't say they're not allowed though |
| 09:31.43 | Iridos | it also says that using security.debian.org already distributes the load over several official mirrors |
| 09:32.10 | Konomi | Iridos: I use mirrors cause isps are bad about quotas in australia it's not about load/speed for me |
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| 09:33.46 | iamarto | hi everyone |
| 09:33.47 | Iridos | Konomi, if you update a 100 machines or more, it would make sense to have your own local mirror and update from that... but apart from that, it doesn't make much sense to use unofficial mirrors with unknown and uncontrollable update-policies for security updates |
| 09:33.48 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] '$ mplayer ./z0r-de_36.swf; Playing ./z0r-de_36.swf.; [swf @ 0x7f823c176860]Compressed SWF format not supported.' Is my mplayer version 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2 too old? |
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| 09:34.41 | iamarto | I installed Debian 7.1 XFCE on a laptop.. of course wireless drivers were not installed by default due to non-free.. I installed them.. Now, I need a WiFi tool to scan for nearby wireless |
| 09:34.54 | CissWit | Iridos: that doesn't change anything to he's first question. The mirror shouldn't be listed as a security mirror if it's not updated regularly or a notice should be added |
| 09:34.59 | CissWit | his* |
| 09:35.05 | Konomi | not a he for the record |
| 09:35.06 | Konomi | ;p |
| 09:35.25 | CissWit | sorry ^^ |
| 09:35.28 | Konomi | I'm considering emailing the security team and asking them to clarify in the faq perhaps? |
| 09:35.50 | Konomi | they can't stop mirrors but I want to know if they're supported unsupported not safe etc |
| 09:36.24 | Konomi | something little more clearer than "if we encouraged" |
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| 09:37.01 | Iridos | well, packages are signed before upload... so whatever mirror you use, integrity of the package should be guaranteed by that mechanism |
| 09:37.11 | Konomi | Iridos: yeah I figured that |
| 09:37.16 | bullgard4 | iamarto: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 09:37.19 | Konomi | I just want to know their position |
| 09:37.20 | Iridos | so... define "safe" :P |
| 09:37.29 | iamarto | thanks bullgard4 |
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| 09:37.47 | Konomi | safe as far as my extra paranoia and wanting an offical statement than good guesses ;p |
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| 09:38.24 | Konomi | I think I'll fire off an email asking and change my sources.list accordingly depending on what they say |
| 09:38.35 | Iridos | bullgard4, mplayer plays movies... this... I would say is not one |
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| 09:39.34 | bullgard4 | Iridos: I can play this file using Gnash though. It looks like a short movie. |
| 09:39.37 | Iridos | Konomi, just use "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" as the factoid suggests? Oh... you have that quota thing... but... then, if your ISP has its own, quota-free mirror, you should kick them |
| 09:40.16 | Konomi | Iridos: oh I hate the whole "unmetred" content here but this country is backwards on internet so not much I can ddo |
| 09:40.56 | Konomi | when you're sharing net and everyone is limited to 120gb a month shaving 2-10gb of data off from using a mirror for my debian updates helps though |
| 09:41.32 | Konomi | I am aware though that securit-updates are not much of that data though so may not matter |
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| 09:42.44 | Iridos | bullgard4, it loops around... I dunno, I cannot remember having seen mplayer play swf... perhaps newest versions *can* do it... It's mplayer2, btw, that says "codec not supported", mplayer1 prints ... well, something else, probably not useful. |
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| 09:44.20 | bullgard4 | Iridos: Thank you for commenting. |
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| 09:46.56 | powermaniac | There isn't a .bootimg or .img for debian is there? |
| 09:47.09 | powermaniac | For armhf in particular |
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| 09:47.39 | iamarto | bullgard4, |
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| 09:48.22 | iamarto | I am not sure if the WiFi is being seen by the kernel.. after installing firmware-iwlwifi should I load something in the kernel? |
| 09:48.22 | eLdiaBLo_GR | Any good Free VPN service? (exclude OPENVPN) |
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| 09:49.13 | _Alias_ | Hi Guys, I'm a bit confused as to what mail driver I have installed. I checked the package list however it says both procmail and sendmail-bin are installed.... Any idea how I check which is "active"? |
| 09:49.28 | bullgard4 | powermaniac: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 09:50.04 | martinez_luchese | iamarto: yeah u must load the module install buy the firmware or at least reboot the pc |
| 09:50.26 | iamarto | martinez_luchese, thanks I will reboot now.. |
| 09:50.29 | martinez_luchese | ok |
| 09:50.46 | powermaniac | bullgard4: Thanks but that doesn't have a stable release for armhf |
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| 09:57.07 | _Alias_ | Hi Guys, I'm a bit confused as to what mail driver I have installed. I checked the package list however it says both procmail and sendmail-bin are installed.... Any idea how I check which is "active"? |
| 09:57.28 | Iridos | bullgard4, although this is quite outdated, it is quite in line with what I thought about swf: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2005-November/056980.html |
| 09:57.48 | martinez_luchese | _Alias_:mail driver? or mail server application...@!! |
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| 10:01.32 | bullgard4 | Iridos: Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention and your help. |
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| 10:01.35 | iamarto | Debian.. the final destination of the distro-hoopers. |
| 10:02.12 | joltcan | :) |
| 10:02.15 | Iridos | bullgard4, and if you were talking about http://z0r.de/L/z0r-de_2108.swf, that doesn't look like video data to me. It's an animated vector graphic. Mplayer deals with video frames and I doubt it would ever play swf like this... as I feel that would mean including a lot of non-video related code |
| 10:02.17 | joltcan | iamarto: very very true |
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| 10:02.44 | Iridos | iamarto, because... it locks into their disk and they cannot leave? :P |
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| 10:06.42 | darklajid | Is there a way to install a package and suppress its (post/pre) scripts? |
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| 10:06.55 | Posterdati | poor package |
| 10:07.24 | Iridos | _Alias_, exim4 is the mail server installed by default... procmail is not a mail server as such... although the package description says it can be used to create one... try "telnet localhost 25" and see what identifies itself as mail server |
| 10:07.57 | darklajid | Posterdati: Exactly. It's a .. poor package :) |
| 10:08.14 | Iridos | darklajid, no. are you asking this, because you have an error in the the pre-install and dpkg refuses to install/deinstall anything because of it? |
| 10:08.14 | lapache | Hello, please do you know any mua which can answer mail using the recipient address in sender field ? |
| 10:09.02 | iamarto | Tridos & Joltcan |
| 10:09.06 | iamarto | Iridos, |
| 10:09.25 | iamarto | I did some tests yesterday & today.. Benchmark tests.. |
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| 10:09.48 | iamarto | on Manjaro, Crunchbang, & Debian. |
| 10:10.02 | darklajid | Iridos: I'm asking because it does something stupid and causes errors during installation (I haven't figured out if the endresult is usable). I'd like to do the couple steps needed to use the package myself. |
| 10:10.06 | iamarto | All with linpack.. same environments.. |
| 10:10.20 | iamarto | same conditions. |
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| 10:10.58 | iamarto | Manjaro scored 11 GFlops, Crunchbang 9GFlops, Debian XFCE shocked me today with 16.9 GFlops |
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| 10:11.18 | iamarto | But I made the benchmarks on the three systems with i3 installed as wm. |
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| 10:11.27 | Iridos | dpkg, tell darklajid about postinstall |
| 10:11.42 | _Alias_ | Iridos: ESMTP Postfix, that ring any bells? |
| 10:12.45 | Iridos | _Alias_, if it doesn't to you, read "apt-cache show postfix" |
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| 10:13.49 | _Alias_ | Iridos: well I did it a long time ago! but that gave me loads of mail info |
| 10:13.50 | bullgard4 | Iridos: http://z0r.de/L/z0r-de_2108.swf could well be animated vector graphics. '~$ file /media/nas/podcasts/Filme/z0r-de_36.swf; /media/nas/podcasts/Filme/z0r-de_36.swf: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 8.' |
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| 10:15.00 | jelly | iamarto: lies, damn lies, and benchmarks... |
| 10:15.26 | iamarto | jelly, you mean I am lying? |
| 10:15.37 | darklajid | Iridos: That might help (if I could modify that script to exit). But I guess I cannot intervene between unpacking the package and installing it, right? |
| 10:15.41 | jelly | iamarto: no |
| 10:16.03 | darklajid | I'm asking because now that thing already ran and I need to figure out how to fix the result or roll back what it did. |
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| 10:16.30 | jelly | iamarto: I mean, benchmarks should be taken with a huge grain of salt and probably a couple valiums |
| 10:16.59 | iamarto | jelly, :) Why? it might give some hints sometimes |
| 10:17.23 | iamarto | otherwise how can you measure the performance of a distro by other than your common sense? |
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| 10:19.50 | iamarto | Do you guys think that a great deal of Debian developers left the community to work for Ubuntu? |
| 10:20.07 | iamarto | I am curious |
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| 10:23.28 | ChrisH | iamarto: Why do you expect someone to leave a community with stable and fully security maintained packages for something differnet? |
| 10:23.29 | darklajid | Hrm.. So I guess I'll just unpack the package manually, a clean way doesn't seem to exist. If I need a hack, any will do. |
| 10:23.35 | Vasistha | iamarto: I don't think so, no. |
| 10:24.17 | Konomi | iamarto: they could leave debian to work on debian packages when they go into ubuntu ;p ? |
| 10:24.19 | iamarto | ChrisH, I just heard so.. wanted to make sure.. there is a period of time between the release of Ubuntu and several years after I don't know what happened much in Linux... |
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| 10:25.20 | iamarto | But to be honest last time I installed Ubuntu it seemed heavier than Windows 7 :) pointless |
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| 10:26.04 | powermaniac | Anyone in here able to point me in the direction of someone who knows how to make boot images and images out of an iso? |
| 10:26.35 | iamarto | powermaniac, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 10:27.12 | powermaniac | iamarto: I don't think that will work, trying to make images for ARMHF |
| 10:27.34 | iamarto | powermaniac, I guess I misundertood. I thought you were trying to make bootable ISO on USB.. nevermind. |
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| 10:27.53 | powermaniac | iamarto: Ahh no problem. thanks anyway |
| 10:28.14 | iamarto | powermaniac, I think what you're searching for could be in an Android Dev community.. |
| 10:28.35 | powermaniac | iamarto: Haven't found one yet, but will keep looking |
| 10:29.33 | powermaniac | iamarto: This supposedly lists a way for armel. But replacing that with armhf doesn't work: "debootstrap --verbose --arch armel --foreign lenny debian http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian" |
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| 10:31.21 | powermaniac | iamarto: Oops forgot to list the link to the site I'm reading: http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
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| 10:34.04 | babilen | powermaniac: lenny is ancient and you really want to install lenny. But that command "simply" bootstraps a Debian chroot |
| 10:34.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell powermaniac -about debootstrap |
| 10:34.46 | makeu | I am using mysqldump to create dumps and then I use a cronjob to tar them. Now I need to move them to a remote FTP on a daily basis. Anyone have any good ideas to do this? |
| 10:35.56 | babilen | powermaniac: You might also be interested in joining #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for armhf specific help |
| 10:36.38 | powermaniac | babilen: I'm in #debian-armhf right now actually. So it only bootstraps hmm =\ |
| 10:37.53 | babilen | powermaniac: The channel is #debian-arm and not #debian-armhf, but I believe that you meant to write that. |
| 10:38.28 | babilen | powermaniac: You can bootstrap a *current* system with debootstrap. It's just that lenny is ancient and no longer on the mirrors. |
| 10:38.29 | powermaniac | babilen: Ahh yes sorry |
| 10:39.07 | powermaniac | babilen: So if I bootstrapped would it act like a full install? |
| 10:39.15 | powermaniac | As I don't quite understand it |
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| 10:40.11 | babilen | powermaniac: That very much depends on what you mean by "full install", but I would answer: "Yes" if my crystal ball and my interpretation of your intention is correct. ;) |
| 10:40.27 | w1ck3dg01h3r | makeu: i used wput at some point for that |
| 10:40.50 | powermaniac | babilen: Oh okay, so what do I replace that line with exactly...To make it grab a working version of debian armhf |
| 10:41.18 | babilen | powermaniac: Did you read the factoid our bot sent you on debootstrap along with the linked websites? |
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| 10:41.50 | powermaniac | babilen: Not yet no, sorry |
| 10:41.56 | babilen | powermaniac: Also see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/apds03.html.en in addition to the linked wiki page. |
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| 10:43.24 | babilen | powermaniac: In the example you pasted you simply have to replace "lenny" with "wheezy" and I would also recommend to use a better name than "debian" for that chroot. |
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| 10:44.34 | babilen | powermaniac: Given that the debootstrap instructions are so severely outdated I wouldn't necessarily assume that the rest of the article describes a "state of the art" approach either. Depending on what you actually want to achieve/do there might be better ways these days. |
| 10:45.28 | powermaniac | babilen: Well I'm trying to install Debian on my Nexus 7 tablet (2012) |
| 10:46.11 | powermaniac | babilen: Found a guide for Ubuntu but you require 2 specific files that are a .bootimg and .img which I can't find debian equivalents for |
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| 10:49.20 | powermaniac | babilen: Was using this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation |
| 10:50.00 | powermaniac | babilen: About to be testing out Kubuntu on it so shall see how that goes, would still prefer Debian though but... |
| 10:50.28 | babilen | powermaniac: The images linked in that article are also not available |
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| 10:51.06 | babilen | powermaniac: I'd bring it up in #debian-arm or #debian-boot (installer developers) |
| 10:51.24 | powermaniac | babilen: I know I found images from googling the web address and grabbing the Kubuntu equivalents here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/ |
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| 10:52.05 | powermaniac | babilen: I have with #debian-arm atleast not #debian-boot |
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| 10:53.24 | babilen | powermaniac: I wouldn't recommend daily images and you can find current ones at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/release/ -- I am not aware of similar data being made available by Debian, but I also never looked into this. fwiw, I have *no* idea what those .bootimg files actually are, but it might not be too hard to create the equivalent for Debian. |
| 10:53.28 | hiyo | Hello I came here yesterday asking someone how do I make my flash drive boot debian but now I want to reformat it back to normal but I can't seem to do it |
| 10:53.49 | powermaniac | babilen: Ahh okay cool, thanks |
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| 10:54.33 | babilen | powermaniac: It very much looks as if those .bootimg and .img are very specific to installing Ubuntu on a Nexus 7 and it also looks as if they specifically support that. I would always mention this fact whenever you ask about .bootimg/.img as those two are not generally understood. |
| 10:55.09 | powermaniac | babilen: That explains why it is so hard to find any information on it all |
| 10:55.25 | hiyo | oh wait I think I got it figured out |
| 10:55.41 | hiyo | Is the regular filesys format of a flash drive vfat? |
| 10:57.13 | babilen | powermaniac: Judging by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Developers it also looks as if they ship a specific (i.e. modified *Android*) kernel that you wouldn't have access to in Debian. I am not at all convinced that you can install Debian just like that on your Nexus without, at least, replicating some of their setup. |
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| 10:57.40 | martinez_luchese | iamarto: wifi is working know? |
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| 10:58.00 | martinez_luchese | iamarto: wifi is working now? |
| 10:58.03 | babilen | powermaniac: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Kernel for kernel specific information |
| 10:58.36 | powermaniac | babilen: Damn, KDE Plasma Active also seems to be able to be installed on the Nexus 7 although I tried and it failed |
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| 11:05.38 | BotaniCar|3 | my wheezy hangs for ~45sec on "Starting MTA" part at every boot. I configured it for local delivery only, is there something else that i can do to speed it up ? It's a bit of a pain in the a** since the machine is headless and i don't know how it's doing after reboot and before i can SSH to it |
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| 11:06.48 | Iridos | hmm, I know that one... I think that comes from some DNS lookup.. not sure I remember right |
| 11:08.23 | jelly | BotaniCar|3: do you have a network connection and working dns resolution at that time? |
| 11:08.24 | BotaniCar|3 | Iridos: you think reverse lookups while initiating is what slows it ? Good thinking, thx |
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| 11:08.56 | BotaniCar|3 | jelly: it's a gateway machine, it has conectivity and it's DNS servers are available. |
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| 11:09.18 | BotaniCar|3 | it does have a made up name, so reversing it's own address might be it |
| 11:10.06 | Iridos | BotaniCar|3, that's what my memory throws up like a card... but... I'm not too sure what it should be trying to look up there. or... supposing it's its own name, why |
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| 11:10.34 | jelly | don't invent names (and if you do, invent an authoritative dns server that resolves them and a recursive dns server that asks the authoritative one and put that recursor in resolv.conf... in other words, fake it properly) |
| 11:10.37 | Iridos | BotaniCar|3, https://wiki.debian.org/MTA |
| 11:11.05 | Iridos | BotaniCar|3, seems I was wrong, although not totally off... |
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| 11:11.41 | Iridos | hmm, although they only cover runlevel 2 |
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| 11:13.45 | BotaniCar|3 | jelly: i haven't yet came to step where i'll be seting up local DNS, thought to fix bootup hickups 1st, thanks for pointer. |
| 11:14.06 | BotaniCar|3 | Iridos: thank you |
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| 11:35.58 | hramrach | hello |
| 11:36.06 | hramrach | how do I install a CA cert? |
| 11:36.40 | hramrach | I put it in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and run update-ca-certificates and it is not trusted |
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| 11:38.36 | hramrach | I can connect to the server which is signed with the CA by pointing openssl or gnutls-cli directly at tha CA cert or the /etc/ssl/certs/ dir or the /usr/lib/ssl/certs dir but it is not picked up when no dir is specified |
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| 11:41.48 | deanrock0 | hi, i installed dropbear and busybox packages to enable ssh unlock of encrypted lvm, but blkid command is not available in busybox |
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| 11:42.18 | deanrock0 | any idea how to get it to work in busybox? |
| 11:44.02 | hramrach | apt-get install util-linux |
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| 11:45.19 | jelly | hramrach: already installed |
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| 11:45.53 | hramrach | well, util-linux has blkid on my platform at least |
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| 11:47.10 | deanrock0 | hramrach: it's already installed |
| 11:47.25 | hramrach | so how does it not work? |
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| 11:47.56 | hramrach | when I run blkid it dumps some garbage all right |
| 11:48.00 | deanrock0 | hm it's in /sbin/blkid |
| 11:48.25 | deanrock0 | and /sbin is not in my path |
| 11:48.51 | deanrock0 | i assume it wouldn't be loaded in busybox? because / is encrypted |
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| 11:49.49 | jelly | hramrach: deanrock0 is setting up the initramfs environment, not the Debian userspace |
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| 11:50.07 | hramrach | deanrock0: then look at initramfs hooks |
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| 11:51.01 | deanrock0 | oh i see |
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| 11:52.02 | hramrach | fuse installs a simple initramfs hook you can cut&paste |
| 11:52.06 | deanrock0 | would copying blkid to /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks help, or are executables there different? |
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| 11:52.58 | hramrach | those are not executables. those are hook scripts |
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| 11:54.41 | hramrach | the copy_exec part adds a binary and manual_add_module adds a kernel module to initramfs when it is regenereated |
| 11:55.02 | petn-randall | I'm looking for a way to get a report when something on one of my servers segfaults. Is there a daemon that can mail me the info when it logs to /var/log/kern.log? Or is there a nagios check? When I googled for the latter, I only found reports about some OTHER plugins segfaulting ... |
| 11:56.46 | hramrach | petn-randall: looks like a log fileter that reports particular log messages would work. I would expect there are many solutions for that. |
| 11:56.54 | hramrach | *filter |
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| 11:59.48 | hramrach | WTH does openssl use as default CA certificate source on Debian? |
| 12:00.37 | petn-randall | hramrach: Can you recommend one that is packaged? |
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| 12:01.00 | hramrach | I have the CA cert in /usr/lib/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt and /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt but the certificate is still not trusted |
| 12:01.08 | hramrach | petn-randall: no, sorry |
| 12:02.15 | hramrach | but I guess you are not finding what you are looking for because you are looking for too specific solution. filtering out segfault messages can be done wiht filter that can report any message you specify |
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| 12:03.16 | jelly | hramrach: I think the bundle in /etc/ssl/certs you just mentioned should be the right place |
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| 12:04.19 | jelly | hramrach: I remember putting ours in /etc/ssl/certs/foo.crt and rebuilding the bundle |
| 12:04.23 | hramrach | jelly: the CA cert I installed in that bundle is not trusted unless I specify the bundle or the cert directly on the commandline of gnutls-cli or openssl s_client |
| 12:05.03 | deanrock0 | hramrach: thanks, i created hook script to copy blkid and it works |
| 12:05.52 | hramrach | jelly: actually that would not work well. the infrastructure ca-certificates installs is geared towards user certificates in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/ |
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| 12:06.13 | jelly | wfm |
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| 12:06.33 | hramrach | nwfm |
| 12:06.48 | jelly | openssl s_client -connect internal-site:443 connects and does not complain a lot |
| 12:07.15 | hramrach | it connects and only complains that the cert is not trusted ofr me |
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| 12:07.37 | hramrach | but actual application complains and quits |
| 12:08.27 | hramrach | and I am connecting to localhost which might change things somehow? |
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| 12:09.08 | jelly | is the CN made for "localhost"? |
| 12:09.25 | hramrach | no but openssl does not care about that |
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| 12:09.43 | hramrach | when I specify the CA file on commandline it verifies the cert |
| 12:10.22 | hramrach | works the same with actual hostname - only when I specify hte CA file |
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| 12:12.04 | hramrach | I have even different CN on issuer and server cert |
| 12:12.47 | hramrach | hmmm, but I wonder, does your CA cert have an issuer? |
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| 12:14.28 | jelly | yes |
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| 12:15.29 | jelly | generated by MS CA thingy, has all sorts of attributes ;-) |
| 12:16.05 | hramrach | I have the s: and i: same on the CA cert |
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| 12:17.02 | hramrach | which would be an error if it was not the CA cert but maybe it's checked in wrong order |
| 12:18.25 | jelly | likewise here |
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| 12:19.01 | hramrach | so no idea why it would be broken |
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| 12:24.31 | th3m1773n1 | I have an easy question about the php packages for debian: I have php5, php53 and php54 installed, but I'm having trouble knowing which version the php5 "metapackage" refers to. |
| 12:26.00 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 12:28.27 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: =) Cool, thanks. I did that, it does say "Version: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17". |
| 12:28.27 | th3m1773n1 | But on the other hand, some binaries (like pecl) are only available in php5, and not in the php54 and php53 directories... So I'm not really sure which version would be executed... |
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| 12:29.00 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: Check in your webserver configuration |
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| 12:29.22 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: Not sure how... =S |
| 12:29.33 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: what webserver are you running? Apache2? |
| 12:29.39 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: yep |
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| 12:30.06 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: look in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load |
| 12:30.33 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: great, let me do that right away =) |
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| 12:32.36 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: Ok here's what I did |
| 12:32.36 | th3m1773n1 | $ cat mods-enabled/php5.load |
| 12:32.36 | th3m1773n1 | LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
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| 12:33.27 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: looks like the package-provided one then |
| 12:34.19 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: so the php53 and php54 would have nothing to do with it? |
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| 12:35.01 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: Don't look like it, no |
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| 12:35.13 | jordilopezamat | hello #debian |
| 12:35.23 | th3m1773n1 | ow... well that's even weirder than I thought... |
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| 12:35.36 | th3m1773n1 | jordilopezamat: hi there |
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| 12:35.49 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: thans man, I'll try to figure it out =) |
| 12:35.55 | OpenTokix | th3m1773n1: good luck! |
| 12:36.00 | th3m1773n1 | OpenTokix: ^^ |
| 12:36.07 | jordilopezamat | Hi, i'm a little bit confused when trying to launch email, i'm getting "Icedove is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Icedove process, or restart your system." |
| 12:36.50 | jordilopezamat | ...the funny thing, is that, when going to system monitor... Icedove process is not there ! :-/ |
| 12:37.27 | jordilopezamat | In this context... How to launch Icedove without the need of a reboot ?! thanks beforehand |
| 12:38.09 | hramrach | there is a lock file in your profile |
| 12:38.19 | jordilopezamat | :-/ |
| 12:38.27 | jordilopezamat | mmmh... sorry ? |
| 12:38.35 | hramrach | you remove it and icedove runs all right but if it is already running your profile might get clobbered |
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| 12:38.50 | jordilopezamat | mmh... |
| 12:38.54 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: ddi you look for thunderbird? |
| 12:39.25 | jordilopezamat | sorry abrotman ? don't understand your question... |
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| 12:40.23 | jordilopezamat | ...if i looked for thunderbird ? ... i'm using icedove ... |
| 12:41.07 | z302 | jordilopezamat, he likely meant to check if you have thunderbird runnning cause it migh conflict with icedove |
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| 12:41.24 | jordilopezamat | ah... thanks z302 |
| 12:41.37 | jordilopezamat | no, no abrotman ... i'm on Icedove only |
| 12:42.01 | hramrach | but the process name might be different |
| 12:42.08 | jordilopezamat | ah... |
| 12:42.18 | jordilopezamat | which one to look for... then ? |
| 12:43.08 | z302 | jordilopezamat, open a terminal and try tiping rm -i ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/*/.parentlock . see if this solves your issue |
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| 12:43.21 | jordilopezamat | ok.. |
| 12:43.59 | jordilopezamat | "rm: cannot remove `/home/jordi/.mozilla-thunderbird/*/.parentlock': No such file or directory |
| 12:44.00 | jordilopezamat | " |
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| 12:44.48 | jordilopezamat | sorry... i got it! |
| 12:45.21 | jordilopezamat | stupid of me... i was not showing ALL processes... now i can see the 'Icedove' one... |
| 12:45.31 | jordilopezamat | and shut it down. Thanks! |
| 12:46.14 | jordilopezamat | in this cases... is terminate, or kill suggested ? |
| 12:46.23 | z302 | terminate is always better than kill |
| 12:46.37 | z302 | use kill if terminate doesn't work |
| 12:46.38 | jordilopezamat | ... that was my guess... less drastic! |
| 12:46.41 | jordilopezamat | ok... |
| 12:47.05 | jordilopezamat | voilà |
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| 12:47.20 | jordilopezamat | thanks and happy recent GNU30 birthday |
| 12:47.35 | jordilopezamat | (we had a nice party here in Buenos Aires ! ) |
| 12:47.47 | z302 | oh, Brazil fun life |
| 12:47.56 | jordilopezamat | Argentina... |
| 12:48.04 | jordilopezamat | more at the South |
| 12:48.13 | z302 | yeah the land of the Pope and Belen Rodriguez |
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| 12:48.20 | jordilopezamat | ja,ja! ... |
| 12:48.24 | jordilopezamat | hate that ! |
| 12:48.54 | jordilopezamat | land of mate.. |
| 12:49.27 | hramrach | anybody ever sleeps there? |
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| 12:56.32 | jordilopezamat | ha,ha ...hramrach, we sleep from time, to time... mainly in winter time... because it's dark and cold... but when spring comes back again...ah! |
| 12:57.05 | jordilopezamat | or some siesta after launch! |
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| 13:03.11 | userr | is there some not-sucking, not-crashing callendar in debian? |
| 13:03.23 | userr | say like KDE but without bugs |
| 13:03.25 | Iridos | "cal"? |
| 13:03.40 | jelly | and bcal! |
| 13:03.52 | userr | Iridos: GUI |
| 13:03.53 | abrotman | userr: iceowl ? |
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| 13:04.30 | userr | abrotman: no such package |
| 13:04.41 | abrotman | judd: versions iceowl |
| 13:04.42 | judd | Package: iceowl on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2+squeeze2; sid: 1.9-3 |
| 13:04.49 | abrotman | awesome ... |
| 13:04.58 | userr | why it's not in wheezy |
| 13:05.23 | tralala | there's lightning for thunderbird/icedove |
| 13:05.23 | Iridos | because it's awesome |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | userr: apt-cache search calendar |
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| 13:07.13 | rascul | gsimplecal |
| 13:07.28 | userr | there was a simple callendar in gnome 2 |
| 13:08.02 | userr | but since the brain worms attack casuesd Gnome to spawn the insanity of Gnome 3, on XFCE4 I dont know how to run it |
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| 13:08.47 | rascul | gnome2 was bad enough already |
| 13:08.59 | userr | rascul: it did everything I needed |
| 13:09.18 | rascul | menuet os does everything i need |
| 13:09.23 | tralala | hopefully Gnome 3 will crash and burn and MATE will get packaged in Debian |
| 13:09.25 | rascul | but i don't use it |
| 13:09.29 | userr | tralala: let's hop |
| 13:09.39 | userr | hope. or hop to cellebrate the upcomming victory |
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| 13:09.42 | jiohdi | get hooked on i3, you will not go back :) |
| 13:09.56 | userr | once you go black you can never go back? |
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| 13:10.05 | jiohdi | or get credit |
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| 13:10.43 | tralala | I've tried tiling before, but in the end it didn't work for me |
| 13:11.01 | jiohdi | you can use it without tiling, it has other advantages |
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| 13:11.36 | userr | abrotman: what mind process or lack of therof is responsible for surprises like programs e.g. iceown missing from wheezy while being in proceeding and successive one |
| 13:11.44 | userr | iceowl |
| 13:12.02 | jiohdi | its not in testing |
| 13:12.04 | tralala | userr, bugs |
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| 13:12.17 | tralala | !pts |
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| 13:12.34 | userr | debian community/developers shrunk so there is not enough of us to keep all this working or what? |
| 13:12.37 | tralala | hey, where's dpkg? |
| 13:12.45 | babilen | i3 is a horrible window manager because its behaviour depends on the order in which containers were created without making that order obvious. they also removed some of the best features of wmii and deserve to be publicly shamed for that. |
| 13:12.49 | userr | dpkg: seen dpkg |
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| 13:12.53 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of abrotman) |
| 13:12.57 | babilen | (but yeah, offtopic) |
| 13:13.03 | userr | dpkg: seen dpkg |
| 13:13.04 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', userr |
| 13:13.07 | abrotman | userr: i'm someowhat certain sunbird was dropped upstream |
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| 13:14.14 | abrotman | userr: yes, wiipedia says Sunbird/Iceowl was basically killed off to concentrate on Lightning |
| 13:14.44 | abrotman | (i thought it was still in wheezy which is why i'd suggested it) |
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| 13:18.27 | userr | aboman: oki |
| 13:19.10 | userr | aboman: but no lighting in wheezy either |
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| 13:22.11 | mumpitzel | userr: iceowl-extention |
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| 13:24.04 | XATRIX | Hi, is there a file in debian, where i can place some rules for iptables to be loaded on system start for hardware node |
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| 13:24.12 | XATRIX | maybe there is a #service iptables start - and it should have a file, where it should take rules from |
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| 13:24.23 | tralala | XATRIX, consider shorewall |
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| 13:25.12 | joltcan | XATRIX: I save my rules with iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up, then I use "up /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up" in my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:32.55 | petn-randall | XATRIX: For everything more than simple iptables hacks I also recommend shorewall. It takes some time to get used to, but you'll save more time in the end. |
| 13:33.23 | Burps_ | Hi : I have upgraded from squeeze and the sudo keeps asking me password for some actions, while in visudo I do have the following : "foo ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/mount /dev/sd[bcd]* /mnt/test" |
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| 13:35.29 | petn-randall | Burps_: You've allowed yourself to mount any device starting with /dev/sd and ending with zero or more letters of b,c and d to /mnt/test. Without password. For everything else you'll need one. |
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| 13:36.44 | petn-randall | Burps_: You can of course configure it to ask for no password for anything, though I'd consider it a major security hole. |
| 13:36.59 | mitrax | hello, i have a process segfaulting on a regular basis (qmail-smtpd) is there a way to authorize a core dump only for that process? |
| 13:37.05 | Burps_ | so : "sudo /bin/mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/test" should not ask a password, right ? |
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| 13:37.34 | petn-randall | Burps_: It should ask for one. sd[bcd]* doesn't match sdc1. |
| 13:37.40 | peterrooney | Burps_: that should ask. |
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| 13:38.02 | Burps_ | *letters* ... ok |
| 13:38.02 | jelly | petn-randall: as a file glob, it kind of does match. |
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| 13:40.00 | petn-randall | Burps_: I'd have the regex like this: /dev/sd[a-z][0-9]? ← that means: /dev/sda followed by any letter, optionally followed by any digit. |
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| 13:40.26 | petn-randall | jelly: That's not how it works ... |
| 13:40.37 | petn-randall | shakes fist at jelly. |
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| 13:41.40 | tralala | well [b-d] in Burps_' case |
| 13:42.06 | jelly | petn-randall: are you sure? |
| 13:42.09 | XATRIX | petn-randall: no no... I mean i need to load 2 rules for hashlimit |
| 13:42.11 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.11 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.11 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.14 | XATRIX | Nothing else |
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| 13:43.23 | jelly | petn-randall: not regular expressions |
| 13:43.25 | tralala | XATRIX, then what joltcan does will work fine |
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| 13:44.06 | XATRIX | tralala: joltcan ? |
| 13:44.31 | joltcan | XATRIX: I save my rules with iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up, then I use "up /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up" in my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:45.24 | petn-randall | jelly: Oh. Sorry. Had been skimming the wrong part of sudoers(5). |
| 13:45.27 | petn-randall | blushes. |
| 13:45.34 | XATRIX | Sounds if it's good enough |
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| 13:47.05 | kelpie | hi, i use sid and i'd like to downgrade kernel from 3.11 to 3.8, i just simply compile it and install the package? will it cause any problems i'm not aware of? |
| 13:47.27 | kelpie | from 3.10-3-amd64 sorry |
| 13:47.56 | jelly | kelpie: nah, using a custom kernel doesn't create any specific problems on Debian |
| 13:48.11 | jelly | ... well, if you disable important drivers, stuff with not work |
| 13:48.15 | jelly | will* |
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| 13:48.30 | babilen | kelpie: Why do you have to? |
| 13:48.53 | XATRIX | joltcan: sounds if it's working , thanks! |
| 13:49.02 | kelpie | babilen: damned ati drivers |
| 13:49.02 | babilen | kelpie: and btw, we have a channel for testing/unstable support called #debian-next on this network |
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| 13:49.06 | katla | who creates .fontconfig? |
| 13:49.11 | katla | how do I find out in general? |
| 13:49.24 | babilen | kelpie: Can you be a bit more specific? |
| 13:49.34 | petn-randall | babilen: ( ... on OFTC ) |
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| 13:49.56 | babilen | kelpie: Ah, yeah. the channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) -- cf. /topic |
| 13:49.59 | babilen | petn-randall: merci |
| 13:50.55 | kelpie | babilen: long story, proprietary legacy drivers works only on kernels < 3.4 but there's a patch that allows to run it on 3.8 |
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| 13:51.24 | katla | what is .config |
| 13:51.43 | petn-randall | kelpie: Don't the old cards have support by the FOSS drivers? |
| 13:51.53 | babilen | kelpie: So you mean that fglrx-legacy-modules-dkms does not compile against the kernel in sid? |
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| 13:52.39 | babilen | kelpie: I'm sure you checked the bts ( http://bugs.debian.org ) already, do you have the bug number? |
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| 13:53.33 | kelpie | petn-randall: yes they have but they have 3 times worse performance than proprietary and doesn't support vdpau backend |
| 13:53.49 | kelpie | so they're pretty useless to me |
| 13:54.41 | kelpie | babilen: yes it doesn't compile, you have to download a package from amd page and apply a patch |
| 13:55.13 | kelpie | and ofc have kernel 3.8 |
| 13:55.29 | waynr | kelpie: shouldn't be a problem if you use the packages build with the make target "deb-pkg" |
| 13:56.07 | waynr | erh whoops, sorry i was scrolled up and didn't see the newer bits of the conversation :) |
| 13:56.47 | hramrach | can anybody connect with openssl s_client to mail.google.com without setting an explicit CA file? |
| 13:56.55 | hramrach | because I cannot |
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| 13:57.05 | kelpie | babilen: i have the bug id somewhere give me a sec |
| 13:57.10 | babilen | kelpie: Sorry for trying to understand this, but first things first: 1. Yes, you can, naturally, use your own kernel and you might want to read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ 2. What happens if you try to install the legacy driver as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 13:57.13 | hramrach | I have ca_certificates installed but openssl does not use them by default |
| 13:57.25 | hramrach | or ca-certificates |
| 13:57.51 | babilen | kelpie: I would also like to point out that this topic is quite on-topic for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net not only because you run testing, but also because maintainers idle in that channel that might have additional informatino. |
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| 13:59.17 | ksk | hey guys |
| 13:59.56 | babilen | s/testing/unstable |
| 14:00.06 | ksk | is there something cool about "chrooting ssh users"? |
| 14:00.09 | kelpie | babilen: if i recall correctly it fails dkms |
| 14:00.17 | ksk | best practiced in debian or something like that? |
| 14:00.32 | babilen | kelpie: I can't find the corresponding Debian bug |
| 14:00.52 | kelpie | babilen: it's there somewhere |
| 14:00.55 | babilen | ksk: I am not sure if I would classify that as "cool", but if you insist :) |
| 14:01.31 | ksk | babilen: oh you... :P |
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| 14:01.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell ksk about rssh |
| 14:01.45 | hramrach | aand it does not work on another machine either |
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| 14:02.03 | kelpie | babilen: hold on, i will tell you exactly what happens if i install legacy drivers from repo |
| 14:02.20 | babilen | yay |
| 14:02.32 | petn-randall | kelpie: Paste the output of the installation to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:02.43 | hramrach | so looks like the SSL libs in Debian are configured to not trust anything by default but software expects them to provide its certs so you get no SSL |
| 14:02.46 | babilen | kelpie: Please follow https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary (and did I mention #debian-next ?) |
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| 14:03.19 | petn-randall | kelpie: (babilen and I are on #debian-next, so we can follow it up there) |
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| 14:07.39 | bullgard4 | From The Jargon File (version 4.4.7, 29 Dec 2003) [jargon]: "lint [from Unix's lint(1), named for the bits of fluff it supposedly picks from programs]." [wheezy]: "You have searched for paths that end with lint in suite wheezy, all sections, and all architectures. Found 45 results. " Which one is wheezy's successor of Unix' lint program? |
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| 14:11.41 | babilen | bullgard4: Are you sure that there is *one* successor? |
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| 14:12.03 | bullgard4 | babilen: No. |
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| 14:12.26 | babilen | bullgard4: Are you looking for a good linter for C ? |
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| 14:15.36 | babilen | pokes bullgard4 |
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| 14:18.53 | enthdegree | hello all |
| 14:19.13 | enthdegree | does ny1 kno where torrents for 7.1 livecds are available |
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| 14:19.27 | bullgard4 | babilen: to "poke" is in BASIC a command to write a value to an absolute address - What do you mean? |
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| 14:20.19 | enthdegree | this only has 7.0 livecd torrents http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
| 14:21.38 | babilen | bullgard4: "poking" is a common way to gets someones attention who is not paying attention or is assumed to be busy with something else. I am simply waiting for an answer to my question. Why you think that this is related to BASIC is beyond me. |
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| 14:22.23 | babilen | bullgard4: you might want to look up "to poke" in your favourite English dictionary |
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| 14:27.02 | jelly | babilen: POKE and PEEK() were a BASIC command and function to read from and write to memory locations |
| 14:27.08 | enthdegree | how what's the difference between De bian Bt-Hybrid and Debian Live? |
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| 14:27.21 | babilen | jelly: How that is related to me poking bullgard4 is beyond me |
| 14:27.30 | bullgard4 | babilen: I have done so before you ordered me to do so. Namely, The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (18 May 2012) [foldoc] . - From what I read a lint program is not only for C computer language. |
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| 14:27.38 | jelly | babilen: I bet he's not a native speaker |
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| 14:27.52 | babilen | bullgard4: What are you trying to do? Do you need a linter for C or another language? |
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| 14:28.17 | bullgard4 | babilen: For other languages. |
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| 14:28.57 | babilen | bullgard4: Which? |
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| 14:29.17 | babilen | bullgard4: I repeatedly asked you to not ask random questions in this channel that you simply stumble upon. We are here to help you solve actual problems *with Debian* not as your private group of computer science and linux history lecturers. Please keep this in mind and consider yourself warned. |
| 14:29.18 | bullgard4 | Pascal |
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| 14:30.14 | bullgard4 | babilanPlease do not spread wrong accusations here in this channel. - I do not ask _random_ questions in this channel. |
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| 14:31.55 | jelly | bullgard4: you ask random questions everywhere! |
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| 14:32.24 | babilen | bullgard4: That wasn't my intention at all. I am personally not aware of a lint-like tool for pascal as I haven't written a line in Pascal in at least 20 years. You might want to use "apt-cache search pascal lint" or "apt-cache search pascal code analysis" and google for similar things. I am sure that #pascal can point you to tools for that if they exist and Google might lead you to find a solution too. |
| 14:32.55 | jelly | technically, they're not as much random, as they're usually several degrees of XyProblem away from the real issue |
| 14:33.23 | bullgard4 | babilen: Thank you. |
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| 14:34.17 | babilen | bullgard4: What I was hinting at above is: 1. The question you asked is very general and is rather of historical interest than something you actually need help with 2. Having spend time to actually figure our what you ask about it turned out that it is not related to Debian at all, but to a very specific tool for a very specific programming language. I would ask you kindly to ask similar questions in a specific channel |
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| 14:39.56 | bullgard4 | babilen: I am using specific channels for specific questions/problems too. I remember one day when I put a specific question in a specific channel and you expelled me from that channel telling me I should put my question here in this channel. - I thought that my question at the outset was most appropriately put here in this channel. |
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| 14:41.39 | enthdegree | hep hep hPEhwprelep hepel phelpe lhepl hpel! !!! HEELP! How would someone go to contribute an official torrent of debian-live-7.1-i386-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso ????? |
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| 14:42.13 | jelly | enthdegree: try asking the subproject people, /msg dpkg debian-live |
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| 14:42.50 | enthdegree | okk thank u |
| 14:42.54 | babilen | bullgard4: Please, ask actual real question about actual real problems you are working on that concern *Debian* in here. Everything else is not appropriate. Why you asked your initial question if you are, in fact, looking for a lint like program for pascal is a mystery just as it is a mystery how that is related to *Debian*; /msg me if you want to discuss this further. |
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| 14:44.12 | nsouer | greetings all, I am feeling like an idiot this morning... I can not remember the command other than `which` that provides the full path of a given binary (not thinking of whereis/find either) does that ring a bell to anyone? |
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| 14:44.44 | ChrisH | nsouer: from the top of my head: whence worked on HPUX |
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| 14:44.54 | Iridos | nsouer, in bash... type |
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| 14:46.24 | nsouer | Iridos, bingo thank you! |
| 14:46.26 | Iridos | nsouer, locate/dlocate for faster searches in a database that is indexed regularily and apt-file for search in the debian-repos to complete the list..... |
| 14:46.39 | nsouer | ChrisH, thanks for the feedback |
| 14:46.51 | petn-randall | or dlocate |
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| 14:51.12 | ksk | babilen: thanks for that trigger, but seems rssh is actually not a "shell" but everything else (file transfers..) |
| 14:51.25 | babilen | yeah |
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| 14:52.04 | babilen | ksk: Do you need a chrooted SSH environment? The server supports that directly too, but haven't played with that. |
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| 14:54.57 | ksk | thats what I'm looking for, so i take a look into sshds manpage, thanks ;) |
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| 15:31.02 | Dark_light | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.11 | ksk | Dark_light: take a look at screensaver |
| 15:33.34 | up365 | Dark_light, xset -dpms s off |
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| 15:34.26 | deni | so debian sid wants to remove xinit and xorg, amongst other things...what's up with that? |
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| 15:34.33 | deni | dist-upgrade i mean |
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| 15:34.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell deni -about bat |
| 15:35.02 | deni | http://pastebin.com/s4rGgGsx |
| 15:35.15 | deni | babilen: ? |
| 15:35.16 | babilen | deni: Please also note that we support testing/unstable in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 15:35.22 | babilen | deni: hmm? |
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| 15:35.56 | deni | babilen: nevermind....didn't see the pvt |
| 15:36.19 | Dark_light | ksk: up365: I'm afraid it might be related to this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295814 since I tried those solutions and they did not work, also I remember that at least once the settings worked fine. |
| 15:36.46 | deni | babilen: the paste i did up there is the output from apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:36.50 | babilen | deni: What you pasted looks fine, what's the problem with that? |
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| 15:37.17 | deni | babilen: the fact that it's telling me to run autoremove to remove xinit and xorg? |
| 15:37.35 | deni | babilen: that raises a red flag doesn't it? |
| 15:38.10 | deni | babilen: it also suggests to remove libreoffice amongst other things |
| 15:38.26 | somiaj | Dark_light: could be that kde power savings are ignored, but the default xorg screen blanking is not. In that case you can turn it of with |
| 15:38.27 | babilen | deni: They are not being removed, but are simply not needed anymore. |
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| 15:39.21 | somiaj | Dark_light: try the command up sent you to turn off the default screen blanking from xorg |
| 15:39.22 | deni | babilen: i know that they are not being removed.... |
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| 15:39.35 | deni | babilen: but i run autoremove, which i frequently do, they will be |
| 15:39.42 | babilen | deni: Install xinit and xorg explicitly (apt-get install xinit xorg) or mark them as manually isntalled. The upgrade looks fine and I can see nothing wrong with it. |
| 15:39.42 | deni | at least that's what this suggests.... |
| 15:39.44 | petn-randall | deni: .... |
| 15:40.00 | babilen | deni: Well, then either mark them as manually installed or don't autoremove them. |
| 15:40.19 | babilen | deni: And really, #debian-next on oftc is the appropriate channel for this discussion |
| 15:40.25 | babilen | :) |
| 15:40.31 | deni | babilen: sure. just stayin....seems weird for this to be happening on a workstation :) |
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| 15:40.47 | deni | babilen: ok tnx. sorry for the hassle |
| 15:40.52 | deni | i'll switch there |
| 15:40.52 | ctmjr | or do not use sid on a workstation |
| 15:41.04 | deni | ctmjr: yeah :D |
| 15:41.06 | deni | no |
| 15:41.08 | deni | :P |
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| 15:42.05 | deni | babilen: ah yes, can't join that channel :( have to be invited...it's probably an internal channel for the devs then? |
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| 15:42.25 | deni | seems reasonable....do not have noise from questions there |
| 15:42.30 | deni | *to not |
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| 15:42.47 | jelly | deni: irc.oftc.net, a different irc server/network |
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| 15:44.28 | roflcopter312 | I recently upgraded from debian 32bit to 64bit and now i wonder how to get skype to look like the rest of KDE. (using my qt theme) |
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| 15:44.44 | roflcopter312 | it looked great in 32bit |
| 15:44.52 | deni | jelly: ah thank you... missed that |
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| 15:45.37 | petn-randall | roflcopter312: skype is 32bit only AFAIR. |
| 15:45.54 | roflcopter312 | i know that. And it runs fine with multiarch. |
| 15:45.58 | roflcopter312 | on 64bit |
| 15:46.07 | colo-work | seems like I need djbdns for Debian Wheezy... and pointers on how/where to get that from as packaged as possible? |
| 15:46.28 | petn-randall | roflcopter312: I guess it's depending on stuff that it didn't declare in the package. |
| 15:46.46 | roflcopter312 | but i do not remember how to set the theme. Would i need to install kde-style-oxygen:386? |
| 15:47.01 | somiaj | ,v dbndns |
| 15:47.02 | judd | Package: dbndns on i386 -- sid: 1:1.05-8; experimental: 1:1.05-9~exp2 |
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| 15:50.55 | somiaj | colo-work: seems it was removed from debian testing and is only in sid (not sure on exact reason). You could compile your own package of it it seems |
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| 15:51.10 | colo-work | yup, I've seen that |
| 15:51.25 | colo-work | there's also dbndns, whoch appears to be a more debianzed fork of the program suite |
| 15:51.30 | somiaj | colo-work: /msg dpkg ssb -- you could compile a package of dbndns against wheezy libs that would work. Though you won't be running a namserver that gets security updates |
| 15:51.47 | colo-work | djbdns isn't likely to receive those anyway... |
| 15:51.59 | somiaj | maybe that is why debian removed it |
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| 15:52.05 | colo-work | it's a shame the data.cdb/djbdns backend for pdns isn't available in wheezy, apparently |
| 15:52.11 | colo-work | somiaj, indeed it is |
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| 15:52.53 | somiaj | I'd think that would be a fairly simple package to backport and the factoid /msg dpkg ssb should just work |
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| 15:53.13 | colo-work | somiaj, thanks, I'll look into it if there's no saner choice to migrate to |
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| 15:53.27 | Dark_light | somiaj: humm apparently it happens only with vlc |
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| 15:54.19 | Dark_light | so kde works fine |
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| 15:56.38 | kelpie | well if this patch will not work i'll have to run sid with 3.2 kernel |
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| 16:02.30 | jelly | colo-work: powerdns upstream makes nice .debs that work on squeeze and presumably wheezy as well |
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| 16:05.22 | colo-work | jelly, thanks, will check them out |
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| 16:14.30 | jhutchins | Why so many different dns programs? |
| 16:14.59 | jhutchins | what's wrong with bind9? |
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| 16:15.50 | jarick | jhutchins: no geolocation, slow |
| 16:15.57 | boratynskikamil | Hello. I have got small problem. Mainly, I created virtual interface tap0 on host and bridged it with eth0 on br0. Now, I sucessfully installed virtual machine and set up network with parameter "bridge=br0", but it doesn't work. Any suggestion what should I check to make it working properly? |
| 16:15.58 | hramrach | it odes not give you the choice to use non-bind9 |
| 16:16.07 | jarick | jhutchins: Limited database backened support |
| 16:16.18 | boratynskikamil | Main case. virsh net-list is empty, now. |
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| 16:16.32 | hramrach | boratynskikamil: what kind of virtual machine |
| 16:17.00 | boratynskikamil | hramrach: libvirt, Debian is a host and a guest. |
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| 16:17.24 | hramrach | boratynskikamil: you probably want to either use the bridge without creating tap0 in advance |
| 16:17.36 | hramrach | or create tap0 in advance and then use tap0 directly |
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| 16:18.16 | boratynskikamil | hramrach, so it is not nescessary to bridge tap0 with eth0? |
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| 16:19.08 | hramrach | boratynskikamil: if your virtualization supports attaching the vm to a bridge then it will bridge it |
| 16:19.21 | hramrach | if not then use the tap interface diretly |
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| 16:19.31 | jhutchins | jarick: On the other hand, geolocation is irrelevent to network topology, and humans can read and modify the flat files of bind9. |
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| 16:20.03 | hramrach | humans can read and modify any db backend whatsoever |
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| 16:20.45 | hramrach | you need a fs driver and text editor to access bind9 configuration, and a db client or whatever to access a db backend |
| 16:20.54 | boratynskikamil | I had some interface, or virtual bridge named virbr0 and vnet0. Now, I do not see it. May I send you <interface> section from the VM and interfaces file? |
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| 16:21.21 | boratynskikamil | vnet0 is virtual network, I guess. |
| 16:21.27 | hramrach | but you can read and edit either, and most db backends have more powerful cients than any text editor will ever be |
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| 16:22.32 | hramrach | boratynskikamil: that depends on what virsh does to set up the vm and what virtualization backend it uses |
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| 16:24.17 | jarick | jhutchins: Use case: gethostbyname wikipedia.org, I desire the A returned to be the closest |
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| 16:24.31 | jarick | jhutchins: How would you deal with this in bind? |
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| 16:28.51 | MO_Handes | what is the linux kernel package name and what is the latest version available in testing and sid? |
| 16:29.05 | hramrach | jarick: the point is that what is near geographically is not necessarily near net-wise |
| 16:29.17 | hramrach | sometimes it works that way to some extent but sometimes not |
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| 16:30.40 | walau | hi, im trying to move my site to another server running debian. So far i've been able to install apache2, php5 and postgresql from standard installation. Setting up virtual host in user public_html directory, and checked if php mod running properly with phpinfo(). Everything went smoothly until i copy my template site and open it up in browser and it shows only a white screen. |
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| 16:31.11 | walau | whats im doing wrong? |
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| 16:33.00 | brilliant_ | walau: restart server? |
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| 16:33.47 | walau | i did that |
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| 16:35.11 | brilliant_ | walau: dont know what the white site should be |
| 16:35.25 | brilliant_ | walau: show source-code |
| 16:35.37 | brilliant_ | what is it, is it a index.html? |
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| 16:35.52 | walau | index.php |
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| 16:36.59 | MO_Handes | are jessie and sid the same at the time? |
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| 16:38.49 | somiaj | MO_Handes: they are close, but never the same |
| 16:38.50 | brilliant_ | walau: wrong permissions or groups |
| 16:39.24 | somiaj | MO_Handes: jessies packages are at least 10 days older than sid, (min time to migrate though sid), and testing has various blocks of certina packages that live in sid but will not migrate into testing |
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| 16:45.18 | MO_Handes | I updated from wheezy to wheezy-backports. shouldn't the kernel linux-image be updated to 3.10 from 3.2 ? if not why and how can I do it? |
| 16:46.17 | dvs | MO_Handes: you cannot upgrade the wheezy-backports |
| 16:46.29 | dvs | s/the/to |
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| 16:46.52 | MO_Handes | why?! what that means? |
| 16:47.23 | dvs | MO_Handes: wheezy-backports is not an entire distribution. YOu can only upgrade certain packages. |
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| 16:48.03 | MO_Handes | you mean I can't upgrade to kernel 3.10 using this repository? then why is it in there? |
| 16:48.18 | dvs | MO_Handes: that is a certain package. |
| 16:48.19 | somiaj | MO_Handes: wheezy-backports only provides new packages if you need them. Since these haev not been testing in all situations the repo is pinned lower than wheezy, so you must manually specifiy each and every package you want to install from backports |
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| 16:48.40 | somiaj | MO_Handes: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-foo |
| 16:48.50 | somiaj | where foo is the correct version of the kernel you want to install |
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| 16:52.00 | MO_Handes | I'm now installing linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 and there's no dependency on that package! that means after this 25mbs of download and install I can boot into 3.10 ? |
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| 16:53.10 | jarick | hramrach: However, geoip means that doesn't matter: I simply decide a cost |
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| 16:54.23 | ksk | MO_Handes: proably :P |
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| 17:01.28 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 17:01.43 | mcgreg | wow VLC works great with vdpau support |
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| 17:03.04 | mcgreg | except that it only uses 4x cpu power compared to software rendering and the video isn't even playing correcty... really great |
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| 17:24.46 | mcgreg | can I play more than 1 video using vdpau at once? |
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| 17:28.24 | alanp | what is the easiest way to run a GUI application in a dpkg post install hook? |
| 17:29.54 | AimHere | Isn't that a bit iffy? What if someone's trying to apt-get from a terminal with no X attached? |
| 17:30.23 | AimHere | If that's the sort of question you want answered, fair enough! |
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| 17:31.56 | alanp | yes, but it's a custom app so i don't think that's necessarily a consideration |
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| 17:34.05 | jhutchins | alanp: You'd have to have the script start x, then execute the program within that x session. I believe you can pass programs to launch to X rather than passing a desktop environment. |
| 17:34.34 | alanp | yeah, my assumption is that an X session is already running |
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| 17:34.41 | alanp | i can check for when that's not the case |
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| 17:36.19 | folivora | Sup, anyone who could tell me how I could run umount /mnt/share for multiple hosts at the same time, ssh-keys are set :) |
| 17:36.56 | alanp | for host in "host1 host2 host3"; do ssh $host "umount /mnt/share"; done |
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| 17:37.37 | alanp | remove the quotes from host1... |
| 17:37.43 | alanp | for host in host1 host2 host3; do ssh $host "umount /mnt/share"; done |
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| 17:40.29 | folivora | alanp thanks :) |
| 17:40.34 | folivora | got 64 nodes to unmount |
| 17:40.35 | folivora | ;) |
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| 17:54.39 | somiaj | strange, libreoffice on wheezy is now not letting me paste a formula in multiple cells...very annoying |
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| 18:02.38 | iamarto | Hi everyone. I am here after a fresh Debian 7.1 Stable installation. |
| 18:03.05 | dvs | !beer iamarto |
| 18:03.05 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Bornem Tripple for iamarto |
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| 18:03.16 | iamarto | haha :D Thanks dvs |
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| 18:03.50 | iamarto | Question: Is it a common bug that the nm-applet wireless connections DO NOT respond/work unless wicid package is installed? I noticed that this happened to me. |
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| 18:04.10 | iamarto | dvs, I think I will make a lifetime commitment to Debian.. I am really tired from Distro-hooping. |
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| 18:04.41 | iamarto | dvs, also I am happy that finally Debian decided to make 2 Stable versions... because old stable is too ancient to be useful for Desktops. |
| 18:05.12 | mcgreg | iamarto: thats a good idea. I am using debian since 2002 :) |
| 18:05.21 | dvs | there's only one stable |
| 18:05.24 | iamarto | mcgreg, Cool :) |
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| 18:05.34 | iamarto | dvs, Squeezy Vs Wheezy?? |
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| 18:05.49 | dvs | gets his Infomagic CDROM |
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| 18:06.18 | dvs | iamarto: squeeze is old stable |
| 18:06.30 | iamarto | dvs, so it's not used anymore? |
| 18:06.48 | dvs | iamarto: support will stop in Feb |
| 18:07.19 | iamarto | dvs, was that version 6? |
| 18:07.39 | dvs | iamarto: yes |
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| 18:08.52 | iamarto | ok.. dvs Listen I have a Debian system that is version 6.. it's working like a charm on a Datacenter RAID device.. I am a bit worried to make a dist-upgrade to version 7 because I'm not sure if the software 3ware will be forward compatible on Wheezy. |
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| 18:09.41 | dvs | iamarto: I haven't used 3ware so I have no clue. |
| 18:09.58 | iamarto | dvs, but if we talk about the norm.. ? |
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| 18:10.13 | iamarto | normally does old packages work on new upgrades? |
| 18:10.43 | dvs | iamarto: If the old package is in the version then yes. |
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| 18:11.28 | iamarto | ok |
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| 18:12.35 | SmashingX | so GPT is not good with linux? |
| 18:12.44 | iamarto | SmashingX, who said that? |
| 18:12.49 | SmashingX | me |
| 18:13.06 | iamarto | wrong |
| 18:13.19 | iamarto | as far as I know. Why do you say that? |
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| 18:14.07 | SmashingX | because it was a pain in the a to install grub |
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| 18:14.18 | SmashingX | unless you make a small partition |
| 18:14.27 | SmashingX | 1MB primary partition |
| 18:15.03 | iamarto | SmashingX, why don't you install grub on MBR? |
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| 18:15.16 | SmashingX | what? |
| 18:15.22 | SmashingX | it was GPT! |
| 18:15.25 | SmashingX | no MBR |
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| 18:16.48 | iamarto | SmashingX, so you don't have any MBR partitions on your HD that's what you mean.. umm |
| 18:16.51 | iamarto | never tried that to be honest |
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| 18:17.14 | SmashingX | GPT is instead of MBR |
| 18:17.26 | ezra-s | linux works perfectly with gpt |
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| 18:18.28 | SmashingX | apparently no |
| 18:18.41 | SmashingX | like I said, I have so many problems to install GRUB |
| 18:18.48 | SmashingX | it didn't want to install it |
| 18:18.57 | ezra-s | why? |
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| 18:19.39 | SmashingX | mhhh |
| 18:19.49 | SmashingX | let me see if I can find the error message |
| 18:20.06 | SmashingX | http://velenux.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/grub-failing-to-install-on-debianubuntu-with-gpt-partitions/ |
| 18:20.14 | SmashingX | the error is there |
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| 18:36.50 | SmashingX | so why debian didn't make GPT possible to boot with GRUB? |
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| 18:40.33 | mtn | SmashingX: mine works fine, but I don't know much about it. it installed by itself with work by me ;) |
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| 18:40.40 | mtn | with no work, that is |
| 18:40.42 | lroe | does anyone know if there is a trick/shortcut to open a nautilus window of the folder my shell is currently in? |
| 18:40.50 | lroe | roe@host:~/Documents/$ <open this folder> |
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| 18:41.03 | SmashingX | mtn: YOu have to wairt until you update your system |
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| 18:41.18 | mtn | SmashingX: what does that mean? |
| 18:41.34 | SmashingX | mtn: that happened to me too |
| 18:41.45 | SmashingX | My OS was installed just fine in GPT |
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| 18:42.04 | SmashingX | until I update my system and the kernel got updated |
| 18:42.17 | SmashingX | GRUB was reinstalled, and everything started to fail |
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| 18:42.29 | mtn | SmashingX: I am confused, I thought you asked: so why debian didn't make GPT possible to boot with GRUB? |
| 18:42.30 | SmashingX | I had to run first fsck |
| 18:42.33 | dury | hi there all |
| 18:42.51 | zinx | mtn: did it not? o_O |
| 18:42.51 | mtn | SmashingX: obviously debian will boot with grub in gpt |
| 18:42.53 | SmashingX | mtn: the first time you installed it seems fine |
| 18:43.06 | mtn | SmashingX: still is fine ;) |
| 18:43.13 | SmashingX | mtn, ok if you are confused, try to reinstall GRUB |
| 18:43.19 | SmashingX | and you will start having problems |
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| 18:43.31 | jhutchins | SmashingX: First off, debian doesn't "make" grub. They include it. |
| 18:43.47 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Second, grub2 WILL boot from a GPT disk. |
| 18:43.52 | mtn | SmashingX: I don't need to. I see you meant to ask a different question. sorry for the confusion |
| 18:44.13 | SmashingX | jhutchins: it wont |
| 18:44.19 | mtn | ha ha |
| 18:44.41 | SmashingX | after the first installation |
| 18:45.03 | jhutchins | SmashingX: The problem is with the update, not with grub booting to GPT. |
| 18:45.11 | SmashingX | I know what you mean to mtn, but believe me, if you update your system and GRUB gets reinstalled you will remember me |
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| 18:45.15 | jhutchins | SmashingX: The update is something that Debian can probably fix. |
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| 18:45.23 | SmashingX | but then you can't install GRUB!!!! |
| 18:45.45 | mtn | SmashingX: what do you mean update? mine has updated several times already with no issues. |
| 18:45.54 | jhutchins | SmashingX: We have definitely seen problems with grub trying to install on a GPT/UEFI system and failing - but that's not grub failing to boot. |
| 18:45.54 | dury | http://pastebin.com/yhxRZx5w |
| 18:45.59 | SmashingX | because that update probably didn't touch the GRUB |
| 18:46.13 | SmashingX | mtn ^ |
| 18:46.15 | dury | can install chrome :-( |
| 18:46.24 | dury | sorry can't |
| 18:46.30 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Also, a new kernel doesn't require that the grub install be updated, only the menu is changed. |
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| 18:46.52 | mtn | dury: you have run out of space according to the error. |
| 18:46.53 | SmashingX | ok forget about the kernel then |
| 18:47.14 | jhutchins | SmashingX: It _is_ something we need to look in to, because even if it's user error we have to figure out how to avoid it. |
| 18:47.14 | SmashingX | just put it as simply as: your system will start failing if you try to reinstall GRUB2 |
| 18:47.30 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Not a valid statement. |
| 18:47.40 | SmashingX | what? |
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| 18:48.02 | jhutchins | SmashingX: SmashingX's system DID start failing after what he suspects was an attempt to update grub. |
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| 18:48.07 | dury | mtn, before it was chrome I wronly uninstalled |
| 18:48.25 | SmashingX | ok, just try it |
| 18:48.35 | jhutchins | SmashingX: mtn's system was fine. My system was fine. This means niether of use can see the problem or knows what it is yet. |
| 18:48.37 | SmashingX | and why then that page has the exact same problem as I did |
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| 18:48.48 | SmashingX | is describing exactly the problem I had |
| 18:49.03 | jhutchins | SmashingX: I'm not saying there isn't a valid problem, just that it's not quite the way you're trying to define it. |
| 18:49.19 | damasceno | I installed PostgreSQL 9.1 and when I tried to restart after a few days, I got this error: Restarting PostgreSQL 9.1 database server: mainError: could not exec /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/pg_ctl /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/pg_ctl start -D /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main -l /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-9.1-main.log -s -o -c config_file="/etc/postgresql/9.1/main/postgresql.conf" : ... failed! I didn't change anything, and it's workin |
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| 18:49.24 | SmashingX | ok if you really want to know what I mean just try to reinstall GRUB2 |
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| 18:49.37 | SmashingX | and you'll see |
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| 18:50.45 | jhutchins | SmashingX: I have, no troubles. |
| 18:50.54 | SmashingX | Did you do it? |
| 18:50.58 | jhutchins | SmashingX: So what did you follow to get it working? |
| 18:51.02 | SmashingX | you have to use LiveCD |
| 18:51.11 | SmashingX | the website I showed you |
| 18:51.18 | dury | http://pastebin.com/H1upGivR mtn |
| 18:51.20 | SmashingX | I created a partition |
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| 18:51.24 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Ok, so you followed his instructions and it worked. |
| 18:51.25 | SmashingX | 1MB partition |
| 18:51.29 | SmashingX | and reinstall GRUB |
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| 18:51.46 | SmashingX | that's what someone also told me on this channel |
| 18:52.06 | ziftex | hm. gadmin-openvpn-client expect a cert or key setting. But i'm just for a test trying too connect too a simple pptp vpn with none of thoes. |
| 18:52.17 | SmashingX | look what he told me |
| 18:52.19 | SmashingX | One way to get this working is to create the bios boot partition (1 MB) at the beginning of the disk and to set the bios_grub flag on it using parted. |
| 18:52.19 | jhutchins | SmashingX: It's very strange that you appear to have LOST the BIOS boot partition. I don' think you can reliably repeat that particular error.. I may be able to set up a vm that I can snapshot and repeat it on. |
| 18:52.38 | jhutchins | SmashingX: No, on second thought I don't think I can do GPT on a VM. |
| 18:53.10 | SmashingX | I don't think so either |
| 18:53.22 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Did you say it WAS working, or that it never worked after the first install? |
| 18:53.25 | dury | mtn: did you see it? |
| 18:53.32 | SmashingX | The disk (when you bought it) was most likely initialised (by the vendor) with a GPT. Debian simply recognised that and stuck with it. It looks as if you then didn't use the "guided partitioning" and forgot (well, "forgot") to create the bios boot partition and efi system partition. You can check this by running "gdisk -l /dev/sda" and pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:53.33 | somiaj | well I figured out my bug, very strange. |
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| 18:53.58 | SmashingX | that's what he told me |
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| 18:54.22 | jhutchins | SmashingX: So it never worked until you manually created the partition? |
| 18:54.28 | SmashingX | id did worked |
| 18:54.31 | SmashingX | as I said |
| 18:54.47 | SmashingX | but my problems started when I upgrade the GRUB and kernel |
| 18:54.51 | jhutchins | SmashingX: So the installer correctly created the BIOS partition, but something caused that to be lost. |
| 18:55.02 | SmashingX | I guess |
| 18:55.04 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Which release are you on? |
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| 18:55.08 | mtn | dury: sorry, I missed it the first time. yes, you are very low on space on /. that is why you failed to install your program. |
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| 18:55.36 | SmashingX | 7 |
| 18:57.03 | dury | mtn, before it was installed |
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| 18:57.17 | dury | mtn, jeeeeessss |
| 18:57.19 | SmashingX | jhutchins: is there anyone that can look into this problem, I mean a kernel developer that you know? |
| 18:57.25 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Can you check your /var/log/apt/history.log and verify that grub was updated? |
| 18:57.28 | mtn | dury: doesn't change the fact that you are almost out of space on / |
| 18:58.13 | dury | mtn, how can I reinstall iceweasel then? |
| 18:58.57 | mtn | dury: I always use synaptic |
| 18:59.10 | jhutchins | dury: First make some space. |
| 18:59.13 | mtn | dury: you can use apt-get or aptitude, too |
| 19:00.11 | dury | how can I make more space |
| 19:00.33 | jhutchins | dury: aptitude clean all, logrotate -f, remove packages, delete files. |
| 19:00.47 | jhutchins | dury: Upgrade to a bigger disk. |
| 19:01.09 | SmashingX | jhutchins: grub-pc-bin:i386 (1.99-23, 1.99-27+deb7u1) |
| 19:01.12 | SmashingX | it was |
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| 19:02.50 | somiaj | well I found out my problem, the clip board manager parcellite messes with libreoffice ability to copy/paste series of formulas correctly. Will this be a libreoffice bug or a parcellite bug -- I'm assuming that later |
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| 19:03.05 | dury | jhutchins: did type aptitude clean all it said not arguments error |
| 19:03.22 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Do you know how to file a bugreport? |
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| 19:03.44 | kelpie | debootstrap is the best, all linux distributions have feature like this? |
| 19:03.44 | SmashingX | no |
| 19:03.48 | dury | E: The clean command takes no arguments |
| 19:03.58 | jhutchins | dury: The man page remembers the syntax better than I do. |
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| 19:04.05 | jhutchins | !bugreport |
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| 19:04.21 | dury | it's squeeze |
| 19:04.55 | jhutchins | !bug |
| 19:04.55 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 19:05.10 | jhutchins | !reportbug |
| 19:05.10 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 19:05.40 | jhutchins | SmashingX: I would suggest you follow through on that, that way you will be notified if they address it specifically. |
| 19:06.03 | jhutchins | SmashingX: If there's already a bug, you can add your name to it. |
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| 19:32.30 | boacs | in vlc versions before 2.0.3-5 , there was a linking issue which immediately crashed vlc on a live system, saying, "[0x220e108] main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation." |
| 19:32.33 | boacs | (one workaround I've found out is implicit linking: "VLC_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/vlc/plugins/ vlc") |
| 19:32.37 | boacs | In version 2.0.3-5, this problem had been solved, in version 2.0.8-1, it has been reintroduced. |
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| 19:40.24 | iamarto | anyone knows why Terminal Transparency is not working on Debian? |
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| 19:41.20 | iamarto | Second question: If xbacklight is to brightness as ????? is to sound? |
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| 19:41.41 | mtn | Iamtougs: I am sure it works on debian, what isn't working for you? what de, terminal, etc.? |
| 19:41.43 | iamarto | in other words, what command do we use to decrease volume |
| 19:41.55 | mtn | iamarto: that was for you |
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| 19:42.08 | iamarto | i installed Debian 7.1 XFCE |
| 19:42.18 | iamarto | I was adjusting the terminal preferences.. |
| 19:42.31 | iamarto | I cannot get the Terminal to be Transparent to the background |
| 19:42.59 | iamarto | It's just becoming lighter.. but not transparent |
| 19:44.14 | abrotman | stick to one problem |
| 19:44.42 | iamarto | abrotman, I posted the 2 problems so whoever knows just contributes |
| 19:45.00 | iamarto | mtn, I found my problem also found by others.. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=102927 |
| 19:45.02 | abrotman | stick to one problem at a time |
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| 19:50.12 | iamarto | abrotman, do you have any contribution to the sound problem? |
| 19:50.24 | reavengrey | We are not your kind of people |
| 19:50.52 | iamarto | reavengrey, what do you mean? |
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| 19:51.06 | reavengrey | Speak a different language |
| 19:51.24 | reavengrey | You seem kind of phoney |
| 19:51.28 | reavengrey | Everything's a lie |
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| 19:51.52 | iamarto | reavengrey, usually practical people don't like introductions like can I ask a question etc.. |
| 19:52.05 | iamarto | So I assumed Debian is past that already. |
| 19:52.15 | reavengrey | I'm just quoting lyrics from a song btw |
| 19:52.20 | reavengrey | \o/ |
| 19:52.38 | iamarto | Oh, I also replied from another lyrics.. |
| 19:52.46 | petn-randall | iamarto: If you're probably looking for xfce4-mixer. |
| 19:53.13 | petn-randall | reavengrey: Nice, but try to keep that to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 19:53.30 | reavengrey | ya :( |
| 19:53.42 | iamarto | petn-randall, thanks. You think there are any independent binaries for it? |
| 19:54.30 | iamarto | petn-randall, the thing is.. I am using i3 window manager. |
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| 19:55.01 | petn-randall | iamarto: Oh, I assumed you're using xfce, that's what you wrote. |
| 19:55.26 | iamarto | petn-randall, well no I just said I installed the Debian 7.1 *with* XFCE. |
| 19:55.37 | iamarto | that ISO which comes pre-packaged with XFCE> |
| 19:56.19 | iamarto | petn-randall, you ever used i3? |
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| 19:56.36 | petn-randall | iamarto: Nope, never enjoyed tiling WMs. |
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| 19:57.03 | iamarto | petn-randall, I see.. :) |
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| 19:57.50 | iamarto | petn-randall, Is there something called compositor package? I didn't find it with aptitude.. maybe it helps for transparency issue? |
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| 20:02.39 | frikinz | I keep on having to run update-alternatives --config glx every day. It might even get on my nerves at some time. No idea what changes it. |
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| 20:08.59 | iamarto | I can't find dropbox in the packages |
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| 20:09.56 | frikinz | there's a mirror at nsa.gov/dropbox |
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| 20:10.59 | boacs | iamarto: of course you can't find it, the core daemon is not free |
| 20:11.44 | iamarto | boacs, but I remember I added the non-free link on sources.lst |
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| 20:12.34 | iamarto | main contrib non-free isn't this one enough? |
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| 20:13.34 | xand | iamarto: no, it's not distributed by debian, non-free or otherwise. |
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| 20:15.04 | SmashingX | so locate doesn't find all the files in the system? |
| 20:15.05 | iamarto | ok thanks xand |
| 20:15.09 | SmashingX | I thought it did |
| 20:15.21 | iamarto | SmashingX, you have to "sudo updatedb" first |
| 20:15.28 | xand | SmashingX: it finds ones that have been indexed |
| 20:15.36 | SmashingX | ohhh |
| 20:15.37 | SmashingX | come on |
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| 20:15.47 | SmashingX | so every time there's a new file I have to do that? |
| 20:16.28 | iamarto | SmashingX, it's more likely to do it when you need to locate.. updatedb doesn't take much time on Debian.. it's not like windows indexing |
| 20:16.33 | xand | SmashingX: no, it's run by a cron job daily |
| 20:16.35 | jhutchins | SmashingX: The update runs automatically every night, but they don't want it constanting sucking up system resources. |
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| 20:17.02 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Also, there are trees it doesn't parse, and it can also allow for security - not show you files you don't have access to. |
| 20:17.10 | SmashingX | got ya |
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| 20:17.20 | jhutchins | SmashingX: What are you trying to find? |
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| 20:17.26 | SmashingX | so is better to use find if I didn't idexed latelhy |
| 20:17.28 | SmashingX | lately |
| 20:17.39 | SmashingX | a file jhutchins |
| 20:18.07 | jhutchins | SmashingX: I tend to do updatedb && locate foo, or to do them as background processes. |
| 20:18.10 | SmashingX | so find would take more time because it's not indexed |
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| 20:18.28 | SmashingX | that's a good wayt to do it |
| 20:18.31 | jhutchins | SmashingX: More time than locate, less time than update/locate. |
| 20:19.04 | SmashingX | but find doesn't indexes |
| 20:19.06 | SmashingX | right? |
| 20:19.08 | jhutchins | SmashingX: There is also apropos, which finds related man pages. |
| 20:19.12 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Right. |
| 20:19.19 | bartmon | hey guys. I'm upgrading a fresh install and i've hit a hang setting up upower. 'upower --version' hangs. should i kill just this process and do a 'dpkg --reconfigure upower'? |
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| 20:19.36 | SmashingX | but apropos is not for files |
| 20:19.40 | SmashingX | that's for commands |
| 20:19.43 | SmashingX | or /bin files |
| 20:19.53 | jhutchins | SmashingX: Depending on your system specs though, you might find that a second find command was much faster in the same tree because the data was cached. |
| 20:20.06 | jhutchins | SmashingX: For man pages. |
| 20:20.41 | jhutchins | SmashingX: `which` locates an executable in your path. |
| 20:20.55 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 20:21.59 | blackthor | hello. anyone could give me some advice for a failing mdraid (first device failed); but the machine won't boot now. how could i fix? any hints ? |
| 20:22.04 | jhutchins | SmashingX: So: dpkg -S `which sshd` will locate /usr/sbin/sshd and ask dpkg which package supplied it. |
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| 20:22.18 | blackthor | (i think grub was not really installed to sdb, only to sda) the raid 's sdb drive is still intact |
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| 20:23.04 | jhutchins | blackthor: Use a rescue disk to install grub, or rebuild the raid? |
| 20:23.11 | blackthor | well |
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| 20:23.17 | cooldude | hi guys, is there a sh script that i can script up so that if a pid that has been written into a .pid file has been somewhat killed, it can restart some proccess..? |
| 20:23.21 | blackthor | the server provider put in a new spare drive for SDA |
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| 20:23.24 | blackthor | but it's the wrong size |
| 20:23.31 | blackthor | f*ckers :) |
| 20:23.33 | SmashingX | ok thanks guys |
| 20:23.38 | blackthor | it should be 2 TB not 1.5 TB |
| 20:23.45 | blackthor | so i want to not rebuild the raid for now |
| 20:23.55 | blackthor | but apparently sdb does not boot |
| 20:24.01 | bartmon | blackthor: wow, that will take a while to rebuild |
| 20:24.10 | jhutchins | blackthor: Yeah, necessary to take a hammer to someone's fingers first. |
| 20:24.17 | blackthor | yes:) but right know |
| 20:24.24 | blackthor | i'm kind of a bit anxious howto install grub |
| 20:24.26 | jhutchins | blackthor: In any case, you need some rescue boot media. |
| 20:24.30 | blackthor | i don't want to make mistakes |
| 20:24.35 | blackthor | i'm already booted through a rescue media |
| 20:24.35 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 20:24.35 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 20:24.58 | blackthor | it's some kind of custom rescue system |
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| 20:25.13 | jhutchins | blackthor: So in order to mount the target you're going to have to `assemble` the raid. |
| 20:25.30 | jhutchins | blackthor: What's the term they use for that, "degraded" raid? |
| 20:25.41 | blackthor | well, the custom rescue boot environment |
| 20:25.45 | blackthor | auto-assembles the raid |
| 20:25.52 | blackthor | (partially, it's still in degraded mode with only sdb workign) |
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| 20:26.12 | jhutchins | right, that's the term I wanted. So ok, follow as above. |
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| 20:26.48 | jhutchins | blackthor: There is no vital data in the area where grub will write it's stuff. |
| 20:26.52 | blackthor | ok i will see |
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| 20:27.21 | jhutchins | blackthor: Good luck, and consider yourself as having been given the lecture about "raid is not a substitute for backups". |
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| 20:29.04 | blackthor | jhutchins: ofcourse, the machine is backuped entirely |
| 20:29.13 | blackthor | but it will take hours to set it up again, in case this raid fails:) |
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| 20:34.40 | jhutchins | blackthor: Yeah, that's still a lot of data. |
| 20:35.06 | jhutchins | I think we calculated 8-9 hrs to transfer a 1TB DB. |
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| 20:35.37 | blackthor | actually only 200GB used orse |
| 20:35.41 | blackthor | orso |
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| 20:35.56 | jhutchins | Still, it takes time, and if you can just recover it... |
| 20:36.16 | blackthor | it's actually fully backuped, but not in a datacenter, so it will take forever to up :) |
| 20:36.29 | blackthor | mmm not sure if that will do the trick |
| 20:36.44 | blackthor | it appears upon rescue boot only /dev/md2 is mounted but not /dev/md0 or /dev/md1 |
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| 20:36.53 | blackthor | (and /dev/md0 should be /boot) |
| 20:36.59 | blackthor | so i can't seem to mount the /boot partition |
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| 20:39.08 | boacs | iamarto: before trying to install a package, you might want to check whether it's in the repo: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dropbox |
| 20:39.38 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 20:39.51 | Posterdati | please I've got hard cpu lockout during fsck on amd64 wheezy |
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| 20:40.50 | iamarto | boacs, I have installed the .deb dropbox package with dpkg from the dropbox website.. |
| 20:41.04 | iamarto | boacs, thanks for the info. |
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| 20:43.41 | somiaj | Posterdati: ouchy. Bad hardware? You could boot form a live system and fcsk your disks that way? (since it is best to fsck before you mount the file systems and fscking a mounted file system could do strange things) |
| 20:44.24 | Posterdati | somiaj: the fsck was issued on / unmounted |
| 20:44.25 | blackthor | jhutchins: i do have a confession to make.. the box is actually running ubuntu (sorry! sorry! sorry!) |
| 20:44.49 | Posterdati | somiaj: could be a defective cpu? |
| 20:44.52 | blackthor | and actually the way the mdraid is setup was a decision of the datacenter/machine provider |
| 20:45.04 | blackthor | i could not possibly know that grub isn't installed on sdb |
| 20:45.23 | somiaj | Posterdati: what do you mean? In order to run fsck you need some / file system. Or is this something that happens during boot? |
| 20:45.40 | Posterdati | somiaj: init 1 |
| 20:45.44 | Posterdati | somiaj: umount / |
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| 20:46.46 | Posterdati | // is a mirror raid /dev/md0 |
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| 20:47.45 | somiaj | Posterdati: I thought you had to remount / read only since you can't really unmount it. Not sure if that is what is causing your hang though. My suggestion is run it from a live system to be safe. |
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| 20:48.09 | Posterdati | somiaj: could it be done during boot? |
| 20:48.52 | somiaj | Posterdati: I'd wait for someone more experienced that I, and I'm not sure how fsck runs during boot (again it has to read root to get the binary) |
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| 20:54.44 | pakaran | Hi. I'm trying to get hexchat to install, but their .deb file requires libperl-5.14. Where do I find that? I'm using testing. |
| 20:55.36 | Posterdati | the boot fsck didn't reproduce the kernel oop |
| 20:55.42 | Posterdati | strange |
| 20:57.07 | iamarto | In Debian Wheezy.. where is the file responsible for the CPU temperature? |
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| 20:57.33 | petn-randall | iamarto: Your cpu load is responsible for the temperature ... |
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| 20:58.32 | digdilem | iamarto, lmsensors might be what you're looking for |
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| 20:58.46 | iamarto | petn-randall, sorry I wasn't clear... I mean "cat proc".. blah blah.. there should be a device file responsible for the cpu temperature... (I am trying to know the device temperature name so I can put it on i3status bar i3wm) |
| 20:59.33 | digdilem | should there? |
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| 21:02.30 | peaceblaster | Hardlinked directory loops don't seem to be allowed in Linux... is there a way around this? |
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| 21:03.28 | ompaul | peaceblaster: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/22394/why-hard-links-not-allowed-to-directories-in-unix-linux |
| 21:03.36 | ompaul | peaceblaster: or "no" |
| 21:04.42 | petn-randall | peaceblaster: Did you read that xkcd by any chance? :) |
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| 21:05.44 | jhutchins | petn-randall: Which one? |
| 21:06.29 | peaceblaster | Yes, I saw the XKCD and had to try it |
| 21:06.42 | peaceblaster | that and I am very very bored |
| 21:06.54 | petn-randall | jhutchins: http://xkcd.com/981/ |
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| 21:09.48 | iamarto | thanks, I found it: /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp4_input" |
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| 21:11.09 | blackthor | jhutchins: mmm something tells me not to touch the drive too much. i think i'm going to move everything off to another server. |
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| 21:16.22 | manitou | hi have problem while on skype no sound on browser , any help ? |
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| 21:28.48 | boacs | In version 2.0.3-5, this problem had been solved, in version 2.0.8-1, it has been reintroduced. |
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| 21:29.13 | manitou | boacs: to me or ? |
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| 21:30.02 | Rydekull | Hmm, so, anyone got a suggestion on a prettier solution then "echo n | apt-get upgrade" to script a check on which packages that needs to get upgraded on a debian host? |
| 21:30.40 | ziftex | hmm. is the gnome version the exact same with x32 / x64 ? |
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| 21:31.37 | ziftex | have 2 installations done the same day. but stuff like the programs menu are not a like. |
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| 21:33.39 | pakaran | Hi. I had been using gentoo, until it suffered a hard drive crash. I installed debian testing and xfce (my favorite desktop environment), and copied my home directory back. An amazing amount of stuff "just works", but I've noticed that xfce-mixer does not list my Intel audio device (which shows on alsamixer, and works), but instead lists "pulseaudio mixer". Any thoughts on things to try? Or is this a question for #xfce? |
| 21:34.01 | boacs | In vlc versions before 2.0.3-5 , there was a linking issue which immediately crashed vlc on a live system, saying, "[0x220e108] main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation." |
| 21:34.05 | boacs | (One workaround I've found out is implicit linking: "VLC_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/vlc/plugins/ vlc") |
| 21:34.08 | boacs | In version 2.0.3-5, this problem had been solved, in version 2.0.8-1, it has been reintroduced. |
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| 21:34.49 | pakaran | Actually, I'm going to try rebooting, on the off chance I accidentally fixed it. will bug you again if that doesn't work :) |
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| 21:38.09 | boacs | manitou: the skype sound problem is a common one (skype competing with other processes over sound hardware control). It's infamous even on windows and discussed a lot on the internet |
| 21:38.39 | Morsicus | Hi. I've a little problem with mariadb. I can't restore my dump. I haven't error but there is no tables. Any suggestion ? |
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| 21:39.02 | boacs | manitou: don't count on support on non-free packages too much in here, since it is not considered as official Debian software |
| 21:39.25 | manitou | ok boacs :( |
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| 21:40.09 | boacs | manitou: I am not even using Skype, so don't be angry with me |
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| 21:42.09 | manitou | im not angry boacs :) |
| 21:42.38 | dvs | !lart boacs |
| 21:42.38 | dpkg | squeezes boacs till boacs turns blue like papa smurf |
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| 21:48.25 | boacs | dvs: I already AM Papa Smurf; sorry for not using real name |
| 21:48.44 | dvs | shudders |
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| 21:49.29 | jhutchins | ,versions vlc |
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| 21:49.30 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo5; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.0-dmo4 |
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| 21:54.04 | jhutchins | boacs: That's what testing is for, to find problems like that. |
| 21:54.15 | jhutchins | !tell boacs about reportbug |
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| 21:56.50 | RustyShackleford | where does postgres keep it's database? |
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| 21:57.50 | blackthor | RustyShackleford: normally, /var/lib/postgresql |
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| 22:01.59 | blackthor | jhutchins: i recreated partitions on the empty drive, and managed to rebuild 2 out of 3 (including the boot partition) i afterward also toggled the boot partition as "bootable" but it appears the machine isn't still booting yet |
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| 22:03.50 | blackthor | having a failed mdraid 1. replaced broken drive. i recreated 3 partitions on the empty drive, and managed to rebuild 2 out of 3 (one being swap and one being /boot partition) i afterwards toggled the /boot partition as "bootable" (so it's both bootable on sda2 and sdb2) but it appears the machine isn't still booting yet. any ideas? |
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| 22:04.56 | petn-randall | blackthor: You're missing grub. |
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| 22:07.19 | blackthor | ic petn-randall |
| 22:07.42 | blackthor | do i install grub to both disks ? |
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| 22:10.27 | petn-randall | blackthor: Yes, but you have to properly chroot into your system on the disk |
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| 22:10.36 | petn-randall | first. |
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| 22:11.20 | blackthor | ok |
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| 22:15.28 | crumb | hi, what package is mount-bind in? |
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| 22:16.23 | ziftex | One version of gnome has flat programs menu, one has something thats looks like it's made for touchpad. |
| 22:16.29 | petn-randall | crumb: That binary doesn't exist. What are you trying to do? |
| 22:16.33 | ziftex | howto change betwean them? |
| 22:17.40 | petn-randall | ziftex: Are you comparing gnome2 and gnome3? Gnome2 is gone from the repositories. |
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| 22:18.30 | blackthor | petn-randall: thanks for the hint. i mount-binded everything and then chrooted, and updated & installed grub. |
| 22:18.34 | ziftex | petn-randall, not sure. But a bunch of ppl installed debian today and seams like some used the cd iso and others netinstall. they did not end up with same desktop envoriment. |
| 22:18.38 | blackthor | both to /sda and to /sdb |
| 22:18.45 | blackthor | but reboot doesn't seem to work |
| 22:18.50 | petn-randall | blackthor: It installed without error? |
| 22:18.56 | blackthor | yes, no errors |
| 22:19.21 | blackthor | root@rescue / # grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:19.21 | blackthor | Installation finished. No error reported. |
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| 22:19.31 | kingsley | crumb: I don't know about "mount-bind", but the "mount" package has the "mount" command, which has the "--bind" option, which would look like "mount --bind". |
| 22:19.45 | petn-randall | ziftex: Hard to say, you'd have to find out which DE they each have. |
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| 22:19.55 | blackthor | kingsley: yes that's what i meant;) mount --bind for the /dev /sys /proc paths |
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| 22:20.33 | ziftex | petn-randall, will do. But it seams to me like both are gnome. but one are more classic and one is popup like on windows 8 |
| 22:20.35 | petn-randall | blackthor: How do you have access to the machine? |
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| 22:21.00 | blackthor | petn-randall: they kinda have a TFTP boot environment that auto mounts to the broken machine |
| 22:21.07 | crumb | kingsley: ah ok, thanks |
| 22:21.15 | petn-randall | ziftex: gnome3 has a fallback mode, if it fails to find HW acceleration. But IIRC they should look the same. |
| 22:21.21 | kingsley | crumb: You're welcome. |
| 22:21.22 | blackthor | petn-randall: it also auto detects full or broken mdraids |
| 22:21.33 | ziftex | petn-randall, installed on exact same hardware. |
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| 22:22.08 | petn-randall | ziftex: Then check in the package manager if both have gnome3 installed, and which DE gets picked in the login screen. |
| 22:22.40 | petn-randall | blackthor: If you don't have KVM access to see the boot error, you can use KVM as a hack. Provided your HW has hardware virtualization. |
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| 22:23.01 | ziftex | Will do tomorrow when I have access too them again. Just wondering sinc login did seam like GDM too me. and all iso's where downloaded today. |
| 22:23.02 | blackthor | well, they use some kind of special dongle to have KVM access, but i have to request it again (my dongle has expired now) |
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| 22:23.24 | petn-randall | blackthor: First KVM being a KVM switch, the second KVM being kernel-based virtual machine. |
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| 22:24.12 | blackthor | mmmm it's a core i7 920 processor |
| 22:24.43 | blackthor | but i'm afraid rescue mode uses limited kernel / ram etc |
| 22:24.47 | petn-randall | blackthor: 'kvm -curses -hda /dev/sda -hdb /dev/sdb' |
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| 22:25.23 | petn-randall | blackthor: It will boot your system with curses output, and you'll hopefully see the error message. |
| 22:26.01 | blackthor | i see |
| 22:27.08 | petn-randall | blackthor: It's a way I used to debug my machine :) |
| 22:27.09 | blackthor | it appears, i can boot it to vKVM |
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| 22:27.17 | blackthor | would that be a solution then? |
| 22:27.39 | blackthor | (i suppose so, ... ambiguous use of abbreviations is starting to irritate me :) |
| 22:27.47 | petn-randall | blackthor: Did it boot without error? |
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| 22:28.47 | blackthor | hang on, first trying your method |
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| 22:29.46 | blackthor | (thanks btw, having a stressful day..err.. night) |
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| 22:31.26 | blackthor | petn-randall: whow |
| 22:31.29 | blackthor | that's kinda cool |
| 22:31.37 | blackthor | i come up with a GRUB menu |
| 22:31.47 | blackthor | but it doesn't want to boot any further |
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| 22:32.50 | petn-randall | blackthor: any error message? |
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| 22:33.21 | blackthor | no, not really, i just see this: |
| 22:33.41 | blackthor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.47 | blackthor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.15 | blackthor | nothing further happens |
| 22:34.25 | petn-randall | blackthor: It didn't find a kernel, I guess |
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| 22:34.49 | petn-randall | kill it, then chroot back into your system. Then run 'update-grub' and paste any error messages. |
| 22:35.01 | blackthor | ok |
| 22:35.17 | blackthor | can i easily exit kvm ? |
| 22:35.22 | blackthor | or just reboot:) |
| 22:35.52 | blackthor | rebooting... :) |
| 22:37.25 | blackthor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.38 | blackthor | aha! |
| 22:38.44 | petn-randall | blackthor: Tell me! |
| 22:38.54 | blackthor | yes, it was i think. |
| 22:39.05 | blackthor | i mounted md1 to /mnt/root/boot and then did an update-grub |
| 22:39.08 | blackthor | now it finds the kernels |
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| 22:39.49 | blackthor | ok. updated grub. rebooting. |
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| 22:43.13 | blackthor | petn-randall: ok i owe you a beer :) |
| 22:43.50 | petn-randall | blackthor: I doubt you're even remotely close to where I live ;) |
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| 22:46.26 | petn-randall | blackthor: Glad I could help, any time again. |
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| 22:58.46 | blackthor | petn-randall: france isn't that far:) |
| 22:58.46 | blackthor | ttyl |
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| 23:08.24 | spaceace85 | My server is painfully slow, even on the LAN. Apache2 sits there for 5 seconds between pages, and SSH stops working randomly and doesn't recognise keypresses |
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| 23:09.14 | petn-randall | spaceace85: The first might be a DNS problem, the second sounds like dropped packages. |
| 23:09.41 | spaceace85 | I see. |
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| 23:10.07 | spaceace85 | Not really sure how to solve it locally, sadly |
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| 23:30.50 | petn-randall | Idling for a little longer for a reply would be a good starter ... |
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| 23:33.15 | gnarface | i just assumed his cable finally snapped |
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| 23:34.06 | gnarface | dropped keys in an ssh session is usually indicative of *severe* packet loss (upwards of 20% even) |
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| 23:34.12 | gnarface | sustained, severe packet loss |
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| 23:34.32 | gnarface | which, also often precedes complete hardware failure upstream |
| 23:35.23 | petn-randall | gnarface: I assumed he mixed up an ISDN cable with a cat5. |
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| 23:35.41 | gnarface | hehe |
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| 23:37.32 | petn-randall | gnarface: Was the reason for a high amount of frame dropping in a case at work. Also speed negotiation takes longer on a cable like that. |
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| 23:39.13 | codygman | Can anyone help me figure out why my system beep isn't working? I've tried most of the traditional troubleshooting problems, but I'm human, so I'm open to retrying all of them in case I made an error. |
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| 23:40.52 | Brigo | codygman: usually systems beeps on boot, does your systems beep? |
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| 23:41.41 | mxiia | why hasn't debian testing/unstable upgraded from gnome 3.4? |
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| 23:43.18 | Brigo | petn-randall: may be the wire? |
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| 23:44.54 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:44.54 | mrdeb | what is new in kernel 2.6 update today |
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| 23:47.22 | mrdeb | https vs http |
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