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| 00:05.05 | somiaj | mxiia: gnome is a very large project and it isn't as simple as just putting it into debian, due to ports, and debian policy/standards it takes the team a while to get the new gnome to be sane enough to put into sid (note this includes making/changing/working with hundereds of packages) |
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| 00:05.47 | somiaj | mxiia: oh wait, testing/unstable has 3.8 in it right now, not 3.4 -- are you sure you have ran apt-get update recentally? |
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| 00:07.06 | mxiia | Yea, I ran it yesterday, distrowatch also has it listed as 3.4.2 as latest in unstable |
| 00:07.18 | somiaj | mxiia: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
| 00:07.40 | somiaj | there is still a few pieces that are not 3.8, but most of gnome is now 3.8 in testing/unstable |
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| 00:08.16 | mxiia | somiaj, first result in tgoogle :P 3.8 must have JUST been pushed (for gnome-shell) because I checked this site earlier today and it was 3.4.2 |
| 00:08.42 | mxiia | somiaj, actually, that's in experimental for gnome-shell |
| 00:08.44 | somiaj | its been there a bit, as the packages are +3 and +4 |
| 00:09.03 | somiaj | mxiia: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-gnome3.html |
| 00:09.29 | somiaj | again gnome is a huge project so it isn't like the upgrades are easy on a large system like debian (think of how many different ports that are supported and testing needs to be done) |
| 00:10.00 | somiaj | but looks like 3.8 start its way into debian unstable as of 2013-05-27 |
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| 00:10.02 | mxiia | somiaj, yea, I fully understand it isn't as simple as downloading and installing for something taht's so deeply integrated as gnome |
| 00:10.20 | mxiia | thanks, somiaj |
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| 00:11.46 | somiaj | mxiia: hopefully that cleared some things up, (: |
| 00:11.50 | somiaj | and you're welcome |
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| 00:14.25 | grepwood | hello |
| 00:14.45 | grepwood | is it normal for debian to not have /usr/games/bin as part of default PATH? |
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| 00:19.52 | gnarface | grepwood: its just /usr/games i think |
| 00:20.09 | gnarface | grepwood: and yes, its not there if you don't have any games installed, |
| 00:20.34 | grepwood | a system I'm working with has openttd server installed |
| 00:20.52 | grepwood | that kinda counts as a game |
| 00:20.57 | gnarface | heh |
| 00:21.06 | grepwood | thing is when I want to conform to its $PATH, |
| 00:21.32 | grepwood | the cmake that I'm working with will spit errors because I force it to make binary prefix a null value |
| 00:21.41 | grepwood | so binaries would go to /usr/games |
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| 00:29.01 | linux-fox | hi,all |
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| 00:31.19 | grepwood | hi |
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| 00:35.25 | linux-fox | grepwood,where are you from? |
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| 00:49.29 | rhizome | i have a drive that just appeared to have died. it shows up in disk utility and syslog as connected, but appears as unformatted. testdisk doesn't see it. |
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| 00:50.53 | occupant | so no partitions if you do "parted --list /dev/xvda" or whatever? |
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| 00:52.00 | rhizome | does not show up at all in parted |
| 00:53.25 | occupant | if parted doesn't even see the model/size, you're probably screwed. |
| 00:53.58 | rhizome | disk util says unmounted unpartitioned |
| 00:54.00 | rhizome | guh |
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| 00:57.43 | roflcopter312 | I know this might be a vary common question. But how do i get skype to use i386 themes. |
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| 00:58.57 | roflcopter312 | or should i just stick to i386-pae |
| 00:59.09 | roflcopter312 | almost no apps uses more than 2096mb anyways |
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| 01:00.04 | roflcopter312 | my uname ports "Linux fenix 3.10-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.10.11-1 (2013-09-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
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| 01:00.28 | roflcopter312 | 6 cores. 16gb ram |
| 01:01.12 | roflcopter312 | shout i just downgrade again |
| 01:01.16 | roflcopter312 | ld* |
| 01:01.22 | roflcopter312 | ? |
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| 01:09.59 | codygman | How can I check to see if I have any broken "alternatives"? I get the feeling they are called something else, diversions perhaps? |
| 01:10.11 | Kevin` | how long is debian squeeze supported for? |
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| 01:11.47 | rhizome | seems like losing partitions is something ext3/4 should have some resilience against |
| 01:12.30 | Kevin` | most filesystems are discoverable if partitions are lost. the system won't do it for you though |
| 01:12.32 | codygman | How does an application (such as steam) know where to look for libgl1 (for instance)? |
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| 01:13.46 | Kevin` | steam is one of those "special" applications that has wrapper scripts and multiple versions of libraries and statically linked libraries and such |
| 01:13.55 | Kevin` | so it's not a good example |
| 01:14.03 | Kevin` | but you could follow the script and logic if you really wanted |
| 01:14.41 | codygman | Kevin`: The reason I'm asking is I backported nvidia-drivers 325 from sid and steam still looks for the old libgl1 reference. Guess I'm off to read the script |
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| 01:15.33 | codygman | I think I should backport bumblebee and steam as well for it to work. |
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| 01:16.20 | Kevin` | strangely enough, the steam executable doesn't even list libgl as a dependency |
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| 01:22.54 | ZIPY | does debian auto check/install security updates? |
| 01:23.15 | rudi_s | !tell ZIPY about security |
| 01:23.39 | rudi_s | But you still must run it manually. |
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| 01:24.34 | ZIPY | yea thought so, so i should update every few weeks i guess |
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| 01:25.29 | rudi_s | ZIPY: Subscribe to the security-announce-mailing-list, then you know when you should update. |
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| 01:27.56 | rryoumaa | does apt-listbugs refer to bugs that only affect the distribution you call it from? |
| 01:28.02 | rryoumaa | if not, how do you make it do so? |
| 01:28.16 | rryoumaa | s/only// |
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| 01:30.20 | rudi_s | rryoumaa: AFAIK yes. |
| 01:30.43 | rryoumaa | great |
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| 01:31.07 | tylertwo | Hey, I'm installing Debian on my 2nd computer, and I wanted a dual boot with my Windows OS. I'm resizing partitions currently, and it's been stuck at 'Please wait...' '0%' 'Resizing partition' for 15 minutes or so. Is this typical? |
| 01:32.22 | ZIPY | tylertwo: how do u resize (application, os)? |
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| 01:35.18 | codygman | Kevin`: That is strange |
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| 01:37.09 | tylertwo | ZIPY: I'm resizing using the Debian installer's partitioning tool |
| 01:37.44 | linux-fox | tylertwo,it is dangerous |
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| 01:38.43 | tylertwo | linux-fox: yeah, I know there's some risk |
| 01:39.26 | ZIPY | 15m at 0% doesnt seem normal |
| 01:39.49 | ZIPY | but i dont know how much data has to be moved tho |
| 01:40.16 | ZIPY | is ur pc working or may crashed? |
| 01:40.44 | tylertwo | ZIPY: oh snap, i think it worked. looks like it just went from 0-100% |
| 01:40.52 | ZIPY | xD |
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| 01:41.52 | ZIPY | ok im off gn8 everyone :D |
| 01:42.07 | tylertwo | ZIPY: gn, ty |
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| 01:45.29 | linux-fox | tylertwo:you should partiton your harddisk in windows |
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| 01:47.24 | RustyShackleford | it would be cool to have python 3.3 on debian stable |
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| 01:47.40 | RustyShackleford | whats the best way to do this? |
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| 01:48.35 | linux-fox | now which python version in debian stable? |
| 01:48.58 | RustyShackleford | 2.7 and 3.2 |
| 01:49.25 | RustyShackleford | not really sure if it makes a difference, but Python has a separate 3.2 doc section |
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| 01:50.49 | linux-fox | i am using python 2.7 |
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| 01:51.44 | multi_io | are user-mounted volumes always mounted noexec automatically? |
| 01:52.02 | RustyShackleford | eh I'm moving on to python 3. I'm just doing side projects so I might as well adopt |
| 01:52.21 | multi_io | I have this in fstab: |
| 01:52.30 | multi_io | /dev/disk/by-uuid/fa85a335-4fae-45ad-a31b-145f4fe82502 /media/usbdisk ext4 user,defaults,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:52.31 | themill | RustyShackleford: if you want a newer python, you need to either (a) run jessie instead (b) work inside a jessie chroot, or (c) locally compile it and install it somewhere NOT in your PATH |
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| 01:53.02 | multi_io | when mounting this as a non-root user, it gets mounted noexec. why? |
| 01:53.22 | RustyShackleford | can I just pin a package or something? |
| 01:53.29 | themill | RustyShackleford: no |
| 01:53.43 | multi_io | actually, when mounting as root too... |
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| 01:54.01 | RustyShackleford | i could probably just run jessie |
| 01:54.05 | tylertwo | linux-fox: ok, I'll consider that for next time. thx |
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| 01:54.57 | themill | RustyShackleford: there aren't that many things that would make me want 3.3 over 3.2. And if you are writing code for others to use, you want to be conservative in your requirements in any case. |
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| 01:55.22 | themill | No-one thanks developers for requiring the latest libraries/modules/interpreters in their work. |
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| 02:01.21 | codygman | I'm trying to backport the steam package and dpkg-buildpackage didn't show any errors, but it also didn't produce a deb :/ Here is the command output: http://paste.debian.net/47672/ |
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| 02:03.22 | codygman | I seem to recall you need to use something besides dpkg-buildpackage for special cases like steam where there are only binaries? Perhaps I'm confusing something. |
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| 02:08.50 | fas3r | hello akk |
| 02:08.52 | fas3r | all* |
| 02:09.46 | fas3r | I configured one of my server (server A) as a VPN client. All the traffic is redirect to the VPN server (server B), and I goes throw the VPN server as the route were updated. My question is, as I can't connect to the "VPN client" (server A) as the route changed, do you know if there is a way that I can keep an ssh access to this server on his public IP from outside, and not only throw the VPN ? |
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| 02:14.05 | fas3r | nobody :/ |
| 02:14.40 | tylertwo | no clue :/ |
| 02:15.55 | fas3r | tylertwo: :P |
| 02:16.32 | linux-fox | umm |
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| 02:39.19 | codygman | Why doesn't the steam package in sid (http://packages.debian.org/sid/steam) have a debian/files? As a result it won't build with dpkg-buildpackage. Is this a different type of package? How do I deal with it? |
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| 02:49.42 | jdabgotra | does an encrypted lvm drive depend on the linux installation that encypted it in any way? |
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| 02:50.03 | jdabgotra | i was going to reinstall debian because i figured its the easiest way to get my packages back to stable |
| 02:51.58 | gnarface | codygman: here's my first guess: yes, its a closed-source package containing entirely proprietary software. of course you can't build it. |
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| 02:52.39 | gnarface | codygman: but it was news to me there is even a steam package in sid so i could be wrong... |
| 02:53.31 | Mykathendu | Hello everyone. |
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| 02:58.19 | faryshta | hi. how do i switch users on xfce? |
| 02:58.20 | codygman | gnarface: I know I can't build it, but that doesn't mean I can't produce a deb for it? |
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| 02:58.30 | faryshta | i already installed xfswitch, dont know how to use |
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| 02:58.58 | gnarface | codygman: you're telling me there isn't already a deb for it in the repo? |
| 02:59.06 | codygman | faryshta: You might have better luck in the #xfce channel, though there might be some help. |
| 02:59.13 | codygman | gnarface: I'm backporting from sid to wheezy. |
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| 02:59.24 | faryshta | codygman, i asked there too |
| 02:59.30 | gnarface | codygman: for what its worth, i heard that doesn't work |
| 03:00.05 | gnarface | codygman: but i wouldn't be surprised if its just a bug you can fix by adding the file either |
| 03:00.20 | codygman | gnarface: You heard that backporting doesn't work? |
| 03:00.23 | gnarface | codygman: (along with about 1000 other backported dependencies) |
| 03:00.50 | gnarface | codygman: yes, i heard that steam won't run on wheezy. i also heard stud wouldn't run on squeeze though once and i didn't let that stop me |
| 03:00.54 | codygman | gnarface: Actually it doesn't have any other dependencies idt? The backport for nvidia 325 was easy. |
| 03:01.22 | gnarface | codygman: i think it has a shit ton of dependencies it just doesn't bother listing any |
| 03:01.23 | codygman | gnarface: I ran steam on wheezy just a second ago, but the problem is after backporting nvidia 325 drivers it didn't look in the right places for graphics libraries. |
| 03:01.55 | gnarface | codygman: your problem also could just be the nvidia 325 drivers. they don't work for shit for anyone else either. i'd recommend something between 304.xx and 319.xx |
| 03:02.19 | codygman | gnarface: Ah, okay. I'll try the ones in testing then. |
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| 03:08.18 | virusuy | hi all ! |
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| 03:15.41 | codygman | gnarface: How do you know of people's experience with backporting nvidia 3.10+ drivers? Mailing list? Forum? How can I be in the know about those things? |
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| 03:17.54 | codygman | When I backport nvidia drivers do I also need to backport xorg? Only if its a dependency? |
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| 03:26.01 | jdabgotra | how can i downgrade all my packages to wheezy stable |
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| 03:26.17 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 03:26.17 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 03:26.46 | jdabgotra | so it may be better then to reinstall? |
| 03:27.02 | jdabgotra | my php dependencies are all screwed up |
| 03:29.00 | gnarface | codygman: my knowledge of nvidia 325 drivers is simply a combination of personal experience reinforced by hearsay from #winehq |
| 03:31.00 | gnarface | codygman: and i didn't mean to imply that the problems with the nvidia 325 drivers were isolated to backporting for wheezy; backporting *steam* to wheezy i've heard doesn't work (also i think from #winehq) but the nvidia 325 drivers are straight up beta and even break stuff for me in sid. i had to roll back then i found out lots of other people have too |
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| 03:34.27 | forrest | I'm trying to get some custom udev rules to work, and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. |
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| 03:35.38 | forrest | on sid -- I want to run a custom script when I plug in or remove some usb sound devices I have. |
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| 03:40.02 | gnarface | codygman: unfortunately over here in #debian where most of the useful knowledge resides, nobody is gonna lift a finger to help gamers. its a bit unfortunate too, as they'll claim its because its irrelevant to debian support. |
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| 03:41.20 | gnarface | codygman: there is also a channel for steam (or at least was; #steamlug i think) but 95% of the people in there are utterly useless windows asshats despite it being a "*lug" |
| 03:41.29 | codygman | gnarface: Yeah, it is too bad. It isn't irrelevant because it has me learning how to backport a commonly used package. Since I'm putting enough effort into learning to backport I'm most likely going to backport other things afterwards such as emacs24 :D |
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| 03:42.04 | codygman | gnarface: Yeah I idle in there and talk sometimes, though they didn't provide much of the support I was looking for. #winehq sounds closer to the type of knowlege I want to glean. |
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| 03:54.55 | gnarface | codygman: well, technically i think the native linux port of steam is offtopic in #winehq too, but yea, the people there are more likely to be sympathetic to the cause at least (though they are also likely to advise you to just use #ubuntu, which i'd disagree with) |
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| 04:00.46 | anxi0us | Hi |
| 04:01.11 | anxi0us | Primarily a windows programmer (Win32 API, not .NET), want to have fun on Debian |
| 04:01.17 | anxi0us | advice? |
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| 04:02.47 | gnarface | anxi0us: start with learning gcc and make i think |
| 04:03.42 | anxi0us | what do linux does do for an api |
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| 04:03.56 | gnarface | anxi0us: this may help: (admittedly the introductory chapter is like a cs 101 class; designed to weed out the weak-willed) : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 04:03.58 | anxi0us | do they have some standardized api that is used amongst linux distros |
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| 04:04.02 | anxi0us | or does it vary? |
| 04:04.37 | anxi0us | what do linux distros do for an api*** |
| 04:04.39 | gnarface | anxi0us: i'm way out of my depth here but yes, its a standardized api but its uh ... in the words of the great Spock "not as you know it" |
| 04:05.07 | anxi0us | I dont understand what youre insinuating |
| 04:05.15 | anxi0us | Perhaps I should start with bash scripting |
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| 04:05.35 | anxi0us | Ive always been a windows fan boy, but after i began messing with Bt5 linux won my heart back |
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| 04:05.50 | gnarface | anxi0us: ok so, let me try again: drivers are kernel "modules", and instead of the windows registry, you interface directly with the device nodes (represented as files in /dev/) with something called ioctls... that's about where my useful knowedge of this ends, but it should be enough to start you in the right direction |
| 04:06.35 | anxi0us | hm |
| 04:06.38 | anxi0us | thats interesting |
| 04:06.46 | Rusty1 | would http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX be a start? |
| 04:07.23 | gnarface | anxi0us: so but instead of visualbasic/win32 gui shell stuff, you have a ... huge myriad competing ecosystem of different gui toolkit standards that can to some degree be mixed+matched... so you would, to supplant your gui button capabilities want to also learn about those toolkits but you have to seek their api's individually (QT and GTK are the biggest ones right now) |
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| 04:07.44 | anxi0us | gnarface, i dont do much GUI development |
| 04:07.46 | reavengrey | anxi0us: There is no standardized linux API; as such |
| 04:07.54 | anxi0us | i always worked with win32 exploits, malware development, etc |
| 04:08.04 | reavengrey | You have POSIX API which is supported by all UNIX based kernels |
| 04:08.05 | gnarface | reavengrey: that's true but i'm trying to explain it by showing him how its fragmented |
| 04:08.10 | reavengrey | Which is also provided by Linux |
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| 04:08.17 | gnarface | reavengrey: (in terms that are similar conceptually to win32) |
| 04:08.27 | reavengrey | After POSIX, you are left with an abyss that is completely fragmented |
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| 04:08.42 | reavengrey | You have no options for "this will work on all Linux OSes/distros" |
| 04:08.49 | reavengrey | GUI, etc, no |
| 04:08.52 | gnarface | reavengrey: that's true but for anxi0us's purposes all he needs to know is where to start with the current version of kernel 2.6/3.x |
| 04:08.58 | reavengrey | Maybe networking, but only because that's provided by POSIX |
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| 04:09.08 | reavengrey | Printer, etc, no |
| 04:09.34 | anxi0us | someone had informed me the linux api implementation of multi-threading is different from windows too |
| 04:09.47 | reavengrey | Ignore it and use pthread_* |
| 04:10.28 | reavengrey | As long as POSIX provides something for what you're looking for, use it, and only move outside POSIX for things you need to -- that's the best "rule of thumb" for unix programming in general |
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| 04:12.00 | SvenDowideit | hello - I've googled, trying to work out what the current practice is to install some packages from testing, while keeping the system on stable |
| 04:12.02 | SvenDowideit | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 04:12.16 | SvenDowideit | is the result, but that has plastered over it |
| 04:12.19 | SvenDowideit | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.30 | SvenDowideit | is there a replacement documentation? |
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| 04:13.08 | rat12 | how to change time in debian> |
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| 04:13.24 | SvenDowideit | install ntpd? :) |
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| 04:15.10 | anxi0us | reavengrey, pthread_*? |
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| 04:15.16 | gnarface | anxi0us: also, in reference you your query about bash knowledge (which will certainly be useful no matter what you try to do in linux), there is also a #bash and an online reference manual (http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html) in addition to a very verbose manpage |
| 04:15.44 | anxi0us | bash looked very powerful, gnarface , compared to cmd scripting at least |
| 04:15.49 | anxi0us | even windows 'powershell' |
| 04:16.23 | reavengrey | Yes, bourne shell scripting is much more powerful than windows shell scripting |
| 04:16.46 | anxi0us | still a fan of the raw win32 api though |
| 04:16.50 | reavengrey | So am I |
| 04:16.50 | anxi0us | very fun to play with |
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| 04:17.00 | anxi0us | lots of mysteries, always a puzzle |
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| 04:37.34 | SuperPhly | What's a way to view all installed packages from a certain repo? |
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| 04:49.51 | nonconvergent | Playing around with Gummi and TeX. Need to do some algorithms but I'm not sure where to start. |
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| 04:53.37 | Marius80 | hi :) |
| 04:54.07 | Mykathendu | :0 |
| 04:54.09 | Mykathendu | Hello! |
| 04:54.32 | Marius80 | question: during installation of wheezy, I choosed "webserver", so some stuff has already been installed. Beside of that, I also installed php5, php-pear, mysql-server, mysql-client, (apache was already installed) |
| 04:54.49 | Mykathendu | owo; |
| 04:54.54 | Marius80 | I also installed most php plugins and whatever helpful stuff I found |
| 04:55.30 | Mykathendu | Welp, nini~ |
| 04:55.37 | Marius80 | Problem: No clue how I can teach Apache to show PHP Files |
| 04:55.57 | Marius80 | In the past, there was something like "AddHandler" in the httpd.conf |
| 04:56.08 | Marius80 | now, in apache2.conf, there is nothing helpful inside |
| 04:56.15 | Marius80 | what do I need to enable php support? |
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| 04:57.21 | reavengrey | sudo apt-get install libapach2-mod-php5 :O |
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| 04:57.52 | reavengrey | Along with php5 too |
| 04:58.04 | Marius80 | oh, hi reavengrey :) |
| 04:58.15 | reavengrey | Yo~ |
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| 05:00.56 | Marius80 | reavengrey, just wanted to tell you, that "apache2-mpm-worker" has been removed and "apache2-mpm-prefork" has been installed |
| 05:01.06 | Peny | is there a way to work out if I "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" ok? my system wouldn't update much anymore (always waiting for headers, I change mirror in sources, it look good, though, it still wait for headers,.,, is there a guide or auto way to do it ? Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
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| 05:01.59 | Peny | Package mdadm is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:02.24 | Marius80 | reavengrey? Thank you, it works :) |
| 05:02.42 | Marius80 | reavengrey, I'd have 2 more little problems concerning apache |
| 05:02.48 | Marius80 | if you have time... |
| 05:02.51 | reavengrey | Peny: default GNOME Debian comes with Synaptic |
| 05:03.02 | reavengrey | If you want, you can use synaptic to configure source graphically |
| 05:03.07 | Peny | it's my server box |
| 05:03.19 | Peny | i'm not sure how to use a pm outside of ssh |
| 05:03.24 | Peny | on the server |
| 05:03.28 | reavengrey | Then if there are errors in the sources file, apt-get update will print errors |
| 05:03.45 | reavengrey | If you can successfully apt-get update, you know there are no syntax errors at least |
| 05:04.07 | reavengrey | Marius80: It's an open support channel, ask away :) |
| 05:04.16 | Peny | i think i try messing with the list again... does it matter if it is a ftp or not in the list ? |
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| 05:04.34 | reavengrey | AFAIK, libapt supports both FTP and HTTP |
| 05:04.43 | Peny | oh |
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| 05:04.51 | jetscreamer | what he said, except for the afaik part |
| 05:04.59 | Marius80 | reavengrey, I am a little confused.... what I wanted to ask... the problem is gone since I installed "libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 05:05.02 | Marius80 | but I have no clue why |
| 05:05.21 | jetscreamer | you enabled php5 in apache by installing the mod? i'm guessing here. |
| 05:05.21 | reavengrey | libapache2-mod-php5 would have installed the PHP interpreter library plugin for apache2 |
| 05:05.30 | Marius80 | I created a vhost (mypage.xyz) and wanted to install joomla in this vhost |
| 05:05.47 | reavengrey | As well as also added to LoadModule configuration lines to your mods-enabled using a2enmod |
| 05:05.48 | Marius80 | when I opened up "mypage.xyz" in firefox, I could only see error.log and access.log |
| 05:06.03 | jetscreamer | there are many sources.list examples on the web Peny |
| 05:06.04 | Marius80 | when I opened localhost, I got the joomla installation |
| 05:06.30 | jetscreamer | !tell peny -about sources.list |
| 05:06.32 | Peny | i think i need one, it just told me YUK regarding my latest attempt to mess with it |
| 05:06.44 | Peny | yes please |
| 05:06.53 | Marius80 | what was a problem for me.... now, since I installed "libapache2-mod-php5", I can see joomla in the right vhost |
| 05:06.55 | Peny | where is the bot when we need it |
| 05:06.55 | Marius80 | but why?! |
| 05:07.20 | jetscreamer | the bot msg'd you |
| 05:07.35 | jetscreamer | [00.06.22] <dpkg> told peny about sources.list. |
| 05:07.39 | reavengrey | Not sure why that would have any effect on your vhost |
| 05:07.54 | Peny | oh, it is in another window ! |
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| 05:07.59 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:08.13 | reavengrey | yeyeye #smallVictories #success #startedFromTheBottom |
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| 05:08.28 | jetscreamer | Peny: you can msg him with those other factoid titles also to see about them |
| 05:08.31 | Marius80 | reavengrey, and one more problem: I can only open "mypage.xyz" when I am connected to the internet. But: my /etc/hosts points mypage.xyz to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:08.42 | Marius80 | so why do I need to be connected to the internet? |
| 05:08.50 | Marius80 | when I am offline, firefox tells me not to know this host |
| 05:09.19 | reavengrey | You mean, /etc/hosts points myhostname to 127.0.0.1? |
| 05:09.32 | Marius80 | yes? |
| 05:09.41 | reavengrey | DNS works like this |
| 05:09.46 | Marius80 | 127.0.0.1 mypage.xyz www.mypage.xyz |
| 05:09.58 | Marius80 | apache has a vhost like mypage.xyz |
| 05:10.03 | Marius80 | /var/www/mypage.xyz exists |
| 05:10.14 | reavengrey | mypage.xyz = lookup XYZ at the your DNS server |
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| 05:10.21 | Marius80 | so I cannot see any reason why I can only open up the page when I am connected to the internet |
| 05:10.25 | reavengrey | Then look up MYPAGE at the DNS server returned for that |
| 05:10.39 | reavengrey | You want to point a MYHOST to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:10.42 | reavengrey | with no subdomain |
| 05:11.03 | Marius80 | mypage.xyz is no subdomain |
| 05:11.09 | reavengrey | It has a . |
| 05:11.13 | Peny | I changed the list to just like he said, though, it looks like it is beyond me, as it is STILL stuck 'waiting for headers' now :( |
| 05:11.20 | reavengrey | And XYZ doesn't point to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:11.24 | Peny | the list looks good though |
| 05:11.32 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 05:11.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:11.33 | Marius80 | how would you make a difference between mypage.abc and mypage.xyz then? |
| 05:11.41 | jetscreamer | paste your sources.list |
| 05:11.48 | Peny | 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] |
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| 05:11.51 | Peny | ok |
| 05:11.56 | Peny | one moment |
| 05:11.56 | reavengrey | youtube.com = DNS_LOOKUP(COM) |
| 05:12.04 | reavengrey | Then DNS_LOOKUP(YOUTUBE) |
| 05:12.20 | reavengrey | For mypage.foo: DNS_LOOKUP(FOO) |
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| 05:12.28 | reavengrey | Then DNS_LOOKUP(MYPAGE) |
| 05:12.37 | reavengrey | You have no entry for FOO pointing to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 05:12.50 | reavengrey | And you probably have no DNS server to respond to the lookup even if you did |
| 05:13.04 | reavengrey | Just do a simple non-TLD entry with no period |
| 05:13.09 | jetscreamer | yeh i was wondering about that |
| 05:13.14 | Marius80 | reavengrey, I *always* did it like this for the last 7 years?! |
| 05:13.16 | Peny | http://paste.debian.net/47703/ |
| 05:13.29 | reavengrey | Kk, well I mean, I understand the theory, but I'm not a god of networking |
| 05:13.41 | reavengrey | You can probably learn a way to make it work in #networking |
| 05:13.45 | Marius80 | imagine, you want to configure a website for a customer and the domain has not been transfered yet, and the A-Record is wrong |
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| 05:14.05 | Marius80 | then you open /etc/hosts and add <IP> www.domain.tld |
| 05:14.19 | Marius80 | and the <IP> points to the new server |
| 05:14.42 | Marius80 | reavengrey, what I try here is nothing for the "world", it's for my personal testing purpose only |
| 05:15.09 | reavengrey | I'm sure #networking can help you with the particulars of /etc/hosts |
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| 05:15.14 | Peny | 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] |
| 05:15.15 | Marius80 | I only want to redirect joomla.xyz to my local environment whilst joomla.org still opens up the joomlasite |
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| 05:15.28 | reavengrey | Again, I may not be completely technically correct about the details |
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| 05:15.41 | Marius80 | I see |
| 05:15.48 | Marius80 | thank you very much anyway |
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| 05:16.03 | Marius80 | well, I am going to go to bed now |
| 05:16.21 | Peny | maybe i can find a deb file of mdadm to unarchive manually |
| 05:16.26 | Marius80 | it's already 7 a.m. |
| 05:16.28 | Peny | goodnite |
| 05:16.35 | Marius80 | thank you Peny :) |
| 05:16.41 | Marius80 | reavengrey, thank you for your help! |
| 05:16.46 | Marius80 | see you all again soon! |
| 05:16.52 | Peny | dream of a world without windows |
| 05:16.54 | Marius80 | have a great day :) |
| 05:16.54 | Peny | :D |
| 05:17.32 | jetscreamer | Peny: yeah we know, don't spam. try taking the trailing / off of debian iirc that's a thing, but i'd try a real source to see if 'that' works, like http://http.us.debian.org/debian or whatever country code you prefer |
| 05:17.56 | Peny | well, now i have a nice list, but still no response from sudo aptitude update |
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| 05:18.24 | reavengrey | What response are you looking for specifically? |
| 05:18.35 | jetscreamer | the sources to d/l |
| 05:18.46 | reavengrey | It does nothing? |
| 05:18.47 | Peny | i'm not sure i understand what you mean, do you mean i chit-chat too much ? sorry. |
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| 05:18.55 | Peny | it waits for headers |
| 05:18.59 | Peny | it waits now |
| 05:19.02 | Peny | and forever |
| 05:19.11 | Peny | and then fails |
| 05:19.29 | jetscreamer | here's peny's sources.list http://paste.debian.net/47703/ |
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| 05:19.54 | Peny | it say connection failed to the IP and I commented out the other list i had and went with what the robot told me |
| 05:20.01 | jetscreamer | comment out your http.debian ones and the security will work i bet |
| 05:20.08 | Peny | ok |
| 05:20.29 | jetscreamer | but i'm not saying do just that, put a real source in. |
| 05:20.49 | jetscreamer | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian or whatever |
| 05:21.33 | reavengrey | http://paste.debian.net/47705/ |
| 05:21.47 | reavengrey | Those are mine, they use the ftp.debian.org hosts |
| 05:22.01 | reavengrey | instead of the http.debian.org hosts, try that |
| 05:22.18 | Peny | I deleted everything except the three lines that the robot told me, then, I commented the two that do not say security at the start, using a # at the beginning of the lines, however, it is waiting for headers now, at 0%..... |
| 05:22.19 | jetscreamer | so the trailing / doesn't matter.. wasn't sure. |
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| 05:22.22 | Peny | same as before |
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| 05:22.43 | reavengrey | gives up o/ |
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| 05:22.46 | reavengrey | Let go and let god |
| 05:23.02 | jetscreamer | is it the same box you're on? does the internet work on that one? |
| 05:23.26 | reavengrey | If it's the same entries, the only problem could be reachability from your location, because those hosts are up |
| 05:23.32 | reavengrey | I just tested apt-get update |
| 05:24.25 | Peny | It should do, I shall have to reboot it to be sure, but this one is connected, and it is also connected ssh to the box |
| 05:25.02 | jetscreamer | that's not exactly the same as being connected to the outside world 'for sure' |
| 05:25.05 | Peny | I stole your list, and it is STILL waiting, so a reboot is in order, though, the database is in heavy use for a few hrs yet finishing a script, so i'll have to wait |
| 05:25.17 | Peny | yes, that is true, but it says the hardware is ok |
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| 05:25.28 | jetscreamer | ping something |
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| 05:25.31 | jetscreamer | from it |
| 05:25.37 | jetscreamer | ping debian.org |
| 05:25.41 | Peny | oh that is an idea, hold on |
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| 05:26.12 | jetscreamer | name, not numbers |
| 05:26.29 | Peny | it does not like, it give a long and still going list that say it can't |
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| 05:26.46 | Peny | 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=38 ttl=56 time=180 ms |
| 05:26.51 | Peny | and lots more like that |
| 05:27.18 | Peny | there is a hardware glitch on the box i think that must be it, i must have hurt it when i plugged in the usb drives |
| 05:27.38 | Peny | it connect to this machine, but it have trouble to ping |
| 05:28.07 | Peny | i ping debian |
| 05:28.17 | reavengrey | Can you ping through to a local node on your LAN? |
| 05:28.42 | Peny | for debian it is as bad as ping to a number, it just give a long list |
| 05:28.46 | Peny | ok i try that |
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| 05:29.05 | reavengrey | Should have tried that immediately after you didn't get a response from debian.org :O |
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| 05:29.54 | Peny | i ping the machine i am on, it give a long list like 64 bytes from 192.168.5.2: icmp_req=31 ttl=64 time=0.209 ms |
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| 05:29.56 | jetscreamer | i think the dvd's are in order. maybe ask the network ppl to fix it. |
| 05:30.18 | jetscreamer | sounds like it's working peny |
| 05:30.26 | reavengrey | You can ping local nodes, you have connection issues externally |
| 05:30.27 | jetscreamer | don't forget to ctrl-c |
| 05:30.30 | reavengrey | Check your router |
| 05:30.37 | reavengrey | and your local route |
| 05:30.44 | reavengrey | route -n |
| 05:30.49 | reavengrey | Etc, get it going |
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| 05:31.50 | Peny | traceroute giving stuff outside and far away |
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| 05:32.02 | reavengrey | What does route -n give? |
| 05:32.12 | toastydeath | no dns lookup |
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| 05:32.26 | toastydeath | dumps the route table as is without trying to resolve anything |
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| 05:32.36 | Peny | well, everything, and i mean everything was more than 1 second |
| 05:32.41 | reavengrey | I'm asking peny to run it |
| 05:32.57 | Peny | -bash: route: command not found |
| 05:33.02 | reavengrey | wut |
| 05:33.10 | toastydeath | for internal routes, there's no sense in trying to resolve things unless you have a dns server configured on your local network |
| 05:33.10 | Peny | i not no that one |
| 05:33.18 | reavengrey | Kk lol, idk what to say about that |
| 05:33.22 | toastydeath | make sure you run that shiz as root |
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| 05:33.24 | jetscreamer | are you root? |
| 05:33.31 | jetscreamer | sudo whatever |
| 05:33.32 | reavengrey | You don't need root to read kernel IP tables |
| 05:33.38 | reavengrey | It said route doesn't exist |
| 05:33.46 | reavengrey | Try /sbin/route -n |
| 05:33.50 | jetscreamer | yeah but the path to the program doesn't always exist |
| 05:33.57 | Peny | it give a table |
| 05:34.03 | reavengrey | No, he might not have /sbin in $PATH |
| 05:34.18 | reavengrey | So that's why it worked when he did the full /sbin/route version |
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| 05:34.24 | Peny | the destination is 0,0,0,0 gateway is 192.... genmask 0,0,0,0 |
| 05:34.27 | Peny | for first line |
| 05:34.31 | Peny | is that ok |
| 05:34.34 | reavengrey | Paste the table in a pastebin |
| 05:35.19 | Peny | http://paste.debian.net/47706/ |
| 05:35.43 | Peny | i think it needs a good reboot in the ass ;) |
| 05:35.54 | Peny | it must have been when i plugged the usb in |
| 05:36.03 | reavengrey | It looks fine, so try rebooting |
| 05:36.05 | jetscreamer | 'that' does 'not' compute |
| 05:36.07 | Peny | some kind of glitch maybe |
| 05:36.09 | Peny | maybe |
| 05:36.15 | jetscreamer | the usb thing i mean |
| 05:36.18 | Peny | jet :) |
| 05:36.45 | reavengrey | The problem is his router |
| 05:36.58 | toastydeath | can he ping the router |
| 05:37.00 | jetscreamer | ok so next ping the dns server? ok |
| 05:37.09 | reavengrey | Yes, he can ping the router, because the computer knows about the router |
| 05:37.18 | reavengrey | But the router is not forwarding packets beyond itself |
| 05:37.39 | toastydeath | is it an appliance router or a linux box |
| 05:37.39 | Peny | maybe i can reset the router first, i was agonising about the reboot just then, cause i lose a few days work with a reboot at this point, or have to wait a day or three more to rebooot |
| 05:37.42 | jetscreamer | wonders if the cable is plugged in |
| 05:37.55 | reavengrey | The cable has to be plugged in for the computer to know about the router :) |
| 05:38.02 | Peny | oh, my irc will die now for a moment |
| 05:38.04 | jetscreamer | i mean on the other side |
| 05:38.04 | reavengrey | Or else there would be no entry for the router |
| 05:38.33 | jetscreamer | from the wall to the router, or whatever |
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| 05:38.43 | toastydeath | on one hand i don't want to scroll up, on the other hand i'm wondering how he's online if the router's not forwarding |
| 05:38.52 | reavengrey | But it still makes no sense because he was on IRC |
| 05:38.56 | jetscreamer | ah ok nvm then |
| 05:39.09 | jetscreamer | and both boxes are apparently on the same router |
| 05:39.26 | reavengrey | We don't know that, he never pasted the routing tables from the other machine |
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| 05:39.47 | jetscreamer | ok |
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| 05:41.24 | jetscreamer | some kind of slow record |
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| 05:42.49 | jetscreamer | but, if the router he was connected to wasn't the same as what the other box was, he wouldn't have disconnected 'his' router |
| 05:43.25 | jetscreamer | or rebooted it |
| 05:43.36 | reavengrey | doesn't know either |
| 05:43.41 | toastydeath | the plot thickens |
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| 05:44.01 | jetscreamer | i'm guessing now both boxes no net :) |
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| 05:44.51 | jetscreamer | waves @ themill |
| 05:45.10 | toastydeath | that kinda solves the problem |
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| 05:45.13 | toastydeath | if he can't get online |
| 05:45.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 05:45.43 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 05:46.18 | Peny | well I reboot the router, I did it good this time, no saving itself with the caps, |
| 05:46.24 | Peny | it no good |
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| 05:46.45 | Peny | the traceroute same same sortof, and still wait for headers.... (sigh) |
| 05:46.52 | reavengrey | Kk, if you have no holdups about rebooting the server, try that |
| 05:47.06 | reavengrey | Or else, "sudo dhclient eth0" |
| 05:47.08 | jetscreamer | thought that was the lose 3 days work box |
| 05:47.21 | Peny | it is still doing useful work... (decision time) |
| 05:47.30 | jetscreamer | yeah ifdown ifup or something.. i'm no network guy, i can make mine work is all |
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| 05:48.29 | Peny | well, no point in being sudo if not to cause trouble, I reboot :D with an evil bent. it rebooting now, if i can install the raid array, maybe i can make up lost time |
| 05:48.41 | reavengrey | kk, gl |
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| 05:51.10 | Peny | well tracroute to debian still ZzZzZzzZZZZ (is there a command for the total time taken ?) oh well, back to the drawing board |
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| 05:51.35 | Peny | jet, it called sudo reboot, i don't know what is ifup ifdown |
| 05:52.23 | Peny | apt-get update now, and looks like just same... (waiting for headerzzzzZZZZZZ!!!!!!) |
| 05:52.33 | somiaj | ifup/ifdown are scripts that use /etc/network/interfaces to bring interfaces up and down. It mixes differnent network tools (mostly ip, dhclient, etc) based on the config) |
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| 05:53.06 | Peny | ahhh |
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| 05:53.18 | Peny | so to reboot the network, rather than the whole machine ? |
| 05:54.58 | reavengrey | ping debian.org again and paste one of the lines...? |
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| 05:58.45 | somiaj | Peny: yea if you use the interfaces file to manage your network then 'ifdown eth0' and 'ifup eth0' will bring down and up the interface |
| 05:58.59 | somiaj | Peny: if you use network-manager or another tool to manage your network use that |
| 05:59.04 | Peny | 64 bytes from senfl.debian.org (128.31.0.51): icmp_req=4 ttl=43 time=1385 ms |
| 05:59.36 | Peny | lots of lines that look like that... actually i shut down the apt get update... it was waiting on headers all that time (silli machine hehe) |
| 06:00.09 | Peny | i am not knowledgeable enough to manage the network that way as yet, i still learnin |
| 06:00.29 | Peny | latest thing is the raid to fix bottleneck |
| 06:00.39 | reavengrey | Peny: then you are connected |
| 06:00.47 | reavengrey | debian.org responded |
| 06:00.52 | reavengrey | Try your apt-get update now |
| 06:01.22 | Peny | hold on, if it ping to debian and get a line like that, that means it connecting, yes ? |
| 06:01.32 | Peny | it waiting for headers |
| 06:01.48 | reavengrey | I had a nigerian lecturer |
| 06:01.52 | reavengrey | And he had a thick accent |
| 06:02.03 | reavengrey | And he had this saying he used to say really frequently in dismissal of things |
| 06:02.12 | Peny | I had a mexican pizza once |
| 06:02.14 | reavengrey | "It's garbage. Throw it away and buy a new one" |
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| 06:02.20 | Peny | it had hot sauce |
| 06:02.26 | Peny | :D |
| 06:02.32 | Peny | enough! I stop |
| 06:02.48 | reavengrey | Idk why that saying just popped up in my head when you said the machine is still not updating |
| 06:03.21 | Peny | must be work-related, they want answers from you at all times, no answer = no $$$ |
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| 06:04.52 | Peny | well, it strange. sudo apt-get update will wait forevermore. I think this not look good for me, I think it mean I have to reinstall the system from scratch |
| 06:04.54 | somiaj | Peny: if you can ping but can't update, it means something is wrong with the http or ftp port depending on your sources.list |
| 06:05.13 | Peny | it just give me the failed message |
| 06:05.34 | Peny | for the first two |
| 06:05.41 | Peny | waiting on headers for the third |
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| 06:08.47 | Peny | http://paste.debian.net/47711/ |
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| 06:09.07 | Peny | it may look familiar.... (stolen) that is the list on my server box right now |
| 06:09.25 | mumpitze1 | that list is not good |
| 06:09.43 | Peny | Linux pm 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 |
| 06:09.54 | Peny | maybe that is the thing wrong |
| 06:09.57 | mumpitze1 | you should use the first 3 lines for deb... sources since they use round robin DNS nearest to you |
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| 06:10.00 | Peny | it not match my system ? |
| 06:10.42 | mumpitze1 | you currently use the debian.org main servers which might be a bit overloaded. |
| 06:10.42 | themill | (JFTR, http.d.n is a redirector not a round-robin dns) |
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| 06:11.02 | mumpitze1 | themill: and ftp.debian.org is not right? causing undue stress |
| 06:11.15 | somiaj | I think the problem is you are ussing http:// but you are calling ftp.debian.org -- I would put http.debian.org for your mirror |
| 06:11.17 | themill | it's just an overworked mirror |
| 06:11.34 | themill | somiaj: ? |
| 06:11.39 | jelly-home | somiaj: it's not the protocol that is problematic |
| 06:12.02 | Peny | I uncommented the first three lines and then deleted the rest and re-ran sudo apt-get update. It waiting for headers |
| 06:12.03 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: most mirrors are ftp. and don't even answer http. but they have both, ftp and http protocols |
| 06:12.24 | themill | hysterical raisins. |
| 06:12.44 | mumpitze1 | yes, but the thing is, http.xx.debian.org just doesn't exist often |
| 06:12.45 | jelly-home | mumpitze1: it's been a long time since I've seen an ftp-only mirror |
| 06:13.08 | jelly-home | oh, you meant the hostname |
| 06:13.11 | somiaj | yea I was more just noting ftp.debian.org and http.debian.org resolve to different mirrors here. |
| 06:13.12 | mumpitze1 | yep |
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| 06:13.38 | themill | somiaj: if you've got http.debian.org resolving then you're doing well |
| 06:13.53 | jwilliams_ | my laptop is lenovo w530, with kernel 3.2.0-4 amd64. when configuring bios to nvidia hybrid, xrandr -q doesn't show the second monitor after connected. |
| 06:13.54 | themill | (or doing interesting things to your local dns) |
| 06:14.06 | somiaj | na it is resolving just fine here |
| 06:14.15 | themill | somiaj: really? |
| 06:14.22 | jwilliams_ | when switching to descrete, Xorg.?.log says fail to load nouveou module. |
| 06:14.31 | jwilliams_ | how can i enable external monitor for debian ? |
| 06:14.33 | Peny | deb ftp.debian.org wheezy main ? like that? |
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| 06:14.54 | somiaj | themill: ping http.debian.org returned an ip address (PING http.debian.org (198.105.251.23) 56(84) bytes of data.) but I didnt get any pings from it |
| 06:15.16 | somiaj | which I just now noticed, I was mainly looking at the ip addys first |
| 06:16.06 | tralala | jwilliams_, which desktop environment? |
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| 06:16.12 | themill | somiaj: I think your upstream dns is lying to you |
| 06:16.30 | somiaj | themill: its qwest dls, maybe they cache it. |
| 06:16.36 | somiaj | dsl even |
| 06:16.42 | Peny | PING www.debian.org does something but ping http.debian.org is syntax error |
| 06:16.46 | themill | somiaj: no, they're serving you a search page instead of NXDOMAIN |
| 06:17.06 | themill | dpkg: tell Peny about wheezy sources.list |
| 06:17.33 | themill | Peny: as mumpitze1 said a while back, the first 3 lines of your sources.list were fine (just without the # in front of them) |
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| 06:18.22 | Peny | i tried those first, then, they left it saying 'waiting for headers' |
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| 06:19.06 | Peny | the commands ping debian.org and ping www.debian.org give two different places as result |
| 06:19.18 | themill | sure, that's not an issue |
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| 06:19.55 | Peny | for sudo apt-get update, I just got the Connection failed [IP: 200.17.205.43 80] thing |
| 06:20.16 | Peny | 46.4.205.43 80] |
| 06:20.26 | Peny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.33 | Peny | and [IP: 46.4.205.43 80] |
| 06:20.51 | Peny | maybe debian is down ? |
| 06:21.00 | linux-fox | ? |
| 06:21.20 | Peny | maybe debian doesn't like the very long and slow route to my computer ? |
| 06:21.30 | themill | Peny: does your internet connection require you to log in first? |
| 06:21.39 | Peny | no |
| 06:21.56 | Peny | it always good to go by itself, power on power up b y itself, |
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| 06:22.24 | Peny | there is the modem, then there is a switch, there is my computer and the other server box connected to a switch which then connect to the router |
| 06:22.32 | Peny | router/modem is one |
| 06:22.45 | Peny | so I online, it online |
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| 06:23.21 | Peny | Ign http://http.debian.net wheezy Release |
| 06:23.30 | Peny | Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex |
| 06:23.31 | Peny | :) |
| 06:23.42 | Peny | 14% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] |
| 06:23.43 | Peny | :D |
| 06:23.51 | Peny | that mean it slow net |
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| 06:24.11 | Peny | machine is OK, just slow net. that lovely 14% must say so, yes ? |
| 06:24.40 | themill | Peny: can you pastebin the entire output of "wget -O/dev/null http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/Release" for us? Please use a pastebin like paste.debian.net rather than pasting it intoo the channel |
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| 06:25.28 | linux-fox | peny:you should use a good source |
| 06:25.36 | themill | linux-fox: not helping. |
| 06:25.38 | linux-fox | for debian repository |
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| 06:27.05 | Peny | I can summarize that for you themill, it worked. It worked just fine, connected and downloaded. I think the apt get must be a slow net problem, cause it did say 14% and I think if i wait a while, maybe it goes beyond 14% ? |
| 06:27.26 | themill | I'd like to see the entire output at paste.debian.net |
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| 06:29.35 | Peny | http://paste.debian.net/47720/ |
| 06:30.43 | linux-fox | themill:you are right |
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| 06:31.37 | themill | Peny: ok, that redirection makes sense for you |
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| 06:33.34 | Peny | i do get a lot of problems, but i am able to go elsewhere and download all the iso's, but i don't know how to combine them into a sensible offline install. I get the idea of net install, but wish i could save all the files downloaded, and then ask it to look at a particular local location for a new install, |
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| 06:33.51 | Peny | but I'd settle for knowing more about sources |
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| 06:34.46 | Peny | they always seem to give me trouble sooner or later, I actually switched to debian because ubuntu would no longer update, a few months ago now. debian is good for me, i don't like the commercial direction ubuntu is going |
| 06:34.55 | Peny | but i have to learn more about these sources |
| 06:36.22 | Peny | http://paste.debian.net/47721/ |
| 06:37.11 | linux-fox | peny:do you use debian as you desktop or server? |
| 06:37.21 | Peny | both |
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| 06:37.33 | Peny | I don't do things by halves :D |
| 06:37.53 | Peny | two computers on here at the moment |
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| 06:38.18 | Peny | wait, the desktop is mint at the moment, i told a lie |
| 06:38.36 | Peny | debian is on the server box only |
| 06:38.45 | Peny | i forgot |
| 06:40.26 | linux-fox | peny:good |
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| 06:40.52 | linux-fox | peny:what are you going to do on your server? |
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| 06:43.01 | jwilliams_ | tralala: i use wmii as my window manager and slim for login session. |
| 06:43.10 | Peny | very little if i can't get raid working ;) Oh, I'll still have a project on it, but the march of technology shall outpace my little program |
| 06:43.30 | Peny | it needs solid rocket boosters |
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| 06:50.30 | Peny | I look at the output from wget, and that worked fine, is it the same thing that apt-get is trying to fetch, and from the same place ? |
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| 07:06.54 | tralala | jwilliams_, then you can use xrandr for dual screen setup |
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| 07:07.45 | jwilliams_ | tralala: sorry i didn't see the previous conversation. |
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| 07:07.55 | jwilliams_ | can you repeat it again? |
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| 07:09.28 | jwilliams_ | i tried xrandr with external monitor connected, but xrandr -q only shows LVDS1, no VGA1 found. |
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| 07:11.58 | Peny | I found a solution and have mdadm installed now |
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| 07:19.20 | violet-rpi | i have a xen vm , update killed grub install , if i boot sysrescue cd 'boot installed linux from harddisk' i can boot it , when i do grub-install /dev/xvda ; grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ; reboot it still not boots and i get just black screen in console of xencenter |
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| 07:20.58 | lysol | ;o |
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| 07:22.24 | Tumulte | hey ! I got a funny problem, the letter "x" doesn't work in my terminal |
| 07:22.40 | Tumulte | it's user-related cause it works with su |
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| 07:26.50 | violet-rpi | i also tried to install grub from sysrescue cd but that fails to boot too :( |
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| 07:30.05 | tralala | jwilliams_, there must be a problem with the monitor or the cable |
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| 07:30.55 | tralala | jwilliams_, can you put the whole output of xrandr on a pastebin? |
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| 07:31.52 | jwilliams_ | tralala: my xrandr output looks like http://paste.debian.net/47734/ |
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| 07:38.49 | jjggs | hi, i was a question. this isn't a problem, in fact it's the opposite. i have a brand new computer, and i installed Debian Jessie on it, and at first (since its so new), the nVidia graphics driver wasn't full screen. i had problems such as flickering mouse, low resolution ttys, not able to change resolution, etc. i recently went on a week long trip, and came back (my computer was off, nobody touched it), booted up and it all worke |
| 07:39.01 | jjggs | ...high resolution ttys, etc. does anybody know what caused this? |
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| 07:40.19 | mumpitze1 | debian update since the last boot? generally Free videodrivers don't need any config,they configure themselves automatically. so if a new nouveau driver happened which finally supports your card properly, an (automatic) update could have done this |
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| 07:58.24 | violet-rpi | so seems if i install grub from sysrescue cd i get grub cmd line and i can mannually boot it if i use grub-install from within debian i get a blank screen at boot :x |
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| 07:59.40 | tralala | jwilliams_, try xrandr --output VGA1 --auto anyway |
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| 08:00.01 | tralala | and see if you can test the cable and the monitor with another computer |
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| 08:08.53 | Kakila | hi all |
| 08:09.03 | Kakila | Got nvidia driver 325.15 working on kernel 3.10 Debian 7.0, but glx-alternative was removed and ow desktop doesn't hae the dash anymore |
| 08:10.39 | Kakila | tried to install glx-alternative-mesa but it asks for glx-diversion tht wants to do nvidia-installer-cleanup. |
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| 08:11.11 | Kakila | anybody knows how to get the desktop with the dash running with the propietary drivers installed? |
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| 08:13.41 | ezra-s | Kakila, that sounds as nvidia driver was not correctly/fully installed and some interfering software remain |
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| 08:14.59 | Kakila | ezra-s: I installed the driver using the Nvidia script. optirun and games are working properly now. Just the desktop doest have 3d acceleration. Bumblebee says "sudo update-alternatives --set glx /usr/lib/mesa-diverted" |
| 08:15.37 | Kakila | I can't do that since mesa-diverted is not here anymore. It was removed since the Nvidia script asked to remove the debian nvidia packages and that removed glx-diversions |
| 08:16.06 | ezra-s | if you are running nvidia "mesa-anything" should not be around I believe |
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| 08:16.42 | Kakila | ezra-s: do you know how to say the desktop to use the Nvidia drivers? |
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| 08:17.09 | ezra-s | Kakila, nvidia usually leaves a specific config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:17.26 | ezra-s | which loads its driver, there should also be a kernel driver |
| 08:17.42 | ezra-s | and no interfering libs from mesa or anything else |
| 08:17.43 | Kakila | ezra-s: I can't use xorg.conf cause I have optimus, startx wont work with xorg.conf |
| 08:18.13 | ezra-s | I usually remove all .deb packages and install it on my own, works better for me, but I only recommend that if you know what you are doing |
| 08:18.36 | ezra-s | Kakila, you're mixing things |
| 08:19.08 | ezra-s | Kakila, what's optimus? |
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| 08:19.39 | Kakila | ezra-s: Nvidia Discrete graphics + integrated intel chip |
| 08:20.33 | ezra-s | intel gpu too? |
| 08:21.16 | ezra-s | if you don't specify driver in xorg.conf I guess Xorg will use whatever it sees fit best |
| 08:21.25 | ezra-s | so you probably have a mess |
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| 08:21.46 | ezra-s | nvidia libraries, xorg trying to load intel driver... |
| 08:22.00 | ezra-s | compositing not working of course |
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| 08:23.44 | Kakila | ezra-s: According to bumblebee that what you shold have, intel taking car eof desktop nvidia activated only wehn calling with optirun |
| 08:24.45 | ezra-s | never seen such thing, sorry, sounds too fancy and prone to errors |
| 08:25.02 | ezra-s | can't nvidia gpu side be used at all times and disable the intel part? |
| 08:25.30 | ezra-s | or the opposite if you just want to do office work |
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| 08:27.55 | Kakila | ezra-s: I am just following the instructions. https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 08:28.14 | ezra-s | I can't beat that, that's for sure, sorry |
| 08:28.15 | rjsalts | ezra-s: you'd have to restart your X server at the very least |
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| 08:28.39 | ezra-s | rjsalts, he will have to restart anyways as he is not getting compositing to work |
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| 08:29.39 | rjsalts | Kakila: make sure you don't have nvidia glx modules setup as the default |
| 08:30.26 | Kakila | rjsalts: ok, Shall I just purge it? or what do you suggest? |
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| 08:33.23 | Kakila | brb |
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| 08:33.58 | boudiccas | if 'mkdir' creates a directory, what command creates a file please? |
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| 08:37.30 | a_meteor | boudiccas, touch will create an empty file |
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| 08:39.57 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 08:43.44 | ChrisH | boudiccas: or cp /dev/null /tmp/newfile.null :) |
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| 08:52.27 | dragon__ | is somebody using mailman 2.1.15 on wheezy? |
| 08:52.44 | neoplus | Hi |
| 08:52.54 | dragon__ | hi |
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| 08:53.30 | dragon__ | do you know how to use mailman? |
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| 09:03.32 | maxyz | dragon__: You are wasting your time asking if somebody is using foo, avoid that and just ask your question. |
| 09:05.17 | colo-work | I have a debian system that's going to be upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. it has many critically important CPAN modules, installed locally by invoking `cpanm` and friends, that need to work with the new major perl release that comes with wheezy. how can I ensure the upgrade goes as painless as possible? |
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| 09:14.00 | maxdml | hi |
| 09:14.25 | maxdml | I have a kvm debian image which i configure through preseeding |
| 09:14.35 | maxdml | but for some reason my /etc/network/interfaces file is always rewritten |
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| 09:15.38 | maxdml | during the preseed I create a bridge with brctl that is not present when booting on the installed OS, could that be a reason for the file rewritting? |
| 09:16.45 | drybjed | maxdml: installer before rebooting copies file from outside of the target directory |
| 09:16.58 | maxdml | ho.. |
| 09:17.11 | maxdml | so whatever I'll do in the /target it will be overwrite by the installer :D |
| 09:17.32 | maxdml | so I just have to find the file that it copies to have my configuration as I want it, I guess |
| 09:17.34 | maxdml | thanks ! |
| 09:17.58 | bla | Could you direct me where to look for info on getting packages into debian unstable? |
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| 09:19.12 | drybjed | maxdml: maxdml here's my solution: http://drybjed.github.io/d-i/wheezy/preseed.cfg |
| 09:20.08 | maxdml | drybjed, thanks, i'm gonna check that |
| 09:20.20 | drybjed | maxdml: look for late_command |
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| 09:21.55 | maxdml | drybjed, ok so it really simple takes it from the base /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:22.10 | maxdml | thanks a lot :D that's on the try |
| 09:22.20 | drybjed | maxdml: yes |
| 09:22.49 | drybjed | maxdml: if you want to test that preseed, just run installer with url=drybjed.github.io |
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| 09:24.09 | wibrt | 'groupadd works' but 'groupadd -R tested_some_dirs doenstwork', but gives the message cannot lock tested_some_dirs, suggestions? |
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| 09:27.32 | Rydekull | Hmm, so, anyone got a suggestion on a prettier solution then "echo n | apt-get upgrade" to script a check on which packages that needs to get upgraded on a debian host? |
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| 09:28.06 | wibrt | rydekull, check cronapt |
| 09:28.38 | Rydekull | I.. just.. what? |
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| 09:30.14 | vanny | hi there |
| 09:30.18 | wibrt | rudekull: aptitude show cron-apt |
| 09:30.19 | vanny | I' m trying to use chrt |
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| 09:30.42 | vanny | do you know how can I execute a process with chrt not as root? |
| 09:31.03 | vanny | for example if I set a permission in the sudoers file for chrt for my user |
| 09:31.13 | vanny | and I do sudo chrt mybinary |
| 09:31.19 | Rydekull | wibrt: Yes, but I dont see how that will assist the question I posed. |
| 09:31.21 | maxdml | drybjed, ok |
| 09:31.38 | vanny | mybinary is executed as root but I just want to use chrt (as root) that launches my application not as root |
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| 09:33.02 | wibrt | u can use this to get a eg daily mail to see which packages need upgrading |
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| 09:33.33 | drybjed | vanny: what is chrt? |
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| 09:34.00 | vanny | it's a tool to modify thread scheduling policies |
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| 09:34.25 | vanny | but the solution should be general, you can suppose it's just a root binary |
| 09:34.35 | vanny | it's in /usr/bin/ |
| 09:35.20 | Rydekull | wibrt: just... no. That doesnt help me. But thanks either way. |
| 09:36.17 | wibrt | rudekull: u also have the option -s or -dry-run with apt/aptitude |
| 09:36.55 | trewas | vanny: you could make a script which starts the process as normal user and then uses sudo chrt with its pid |
| 09:38.02 | vanny | trewas: why? if chrt is used with a certain pid it doesn't launch it as root? |
| 09:38.52 | trewas | vanny: the process is already running as some non-root user, I doubt chrt would change it to be root owned |
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| 09:40.52 | vanny | trewas: kk I'll try it thank you |
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| 09:42.59 | Rydekull | wibrt: my nickname is rydekull, but yes. I know. That is however not as good as my previous solution. |
| 09:43.26 | wibrt | typo, ok |
| 09:44.27 | reavengrey | roadkill |
| 09:44.33 | reavengrey | typo, my bad |
| 09:44.43 | reavengrey | haha, I'm so clever |
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| 10:06.16 | anddam | what's the preferred way to install python packages not available in repository? |
| 10:06.31 | colo-work | I have a debian system that's going to be upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. it has many critically important CPAN modules, installed locally by invoking `cpanm` and friends, that need to work with the new major perl release that comes with wheezy. how can I ensure the upgrade goes as painless as possible? |
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| 10:07.32 | anddam | namely I cannot find flask-sqlalchemy |
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| 10:12.02 | Iridos | hm... why would colord-sane use up 100% of one core... I don't even know why it's there, there's no scanner attached |
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| 10:16.37 | SId3 | im sorry my computer was turned off |
| 10:16.47 | SId3 | i want to know how to run bash script as root |
| 10:16.53 | SId3 | im running bash script from php |
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| 10:17.20 | Myrtti | SId3: so are you using Debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 10:17.34 | SId3 | ubuntu |
| 10:17.40 | Myrtti | then ask in #ubuntu. |
| 10:17.45 | SId3 | ok |
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| 10:24.33 | ZIPY | hi, im trying to install eclipse via synaptic.. but i get an error that some files could not be downloaded |
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| 10:29.37 | babilen | ZIPY: Mind trying it with apt-get? You can then paste the output to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL. Also include your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:33.56 | waq | Hello, is there a particular reason why a 500GB hard disk will mount only as 5GB |
| 10:33.58 | waq | Thanks |
| 10:34.42 | zinx | waq: there are many particular reasons |
| 10:35.25 | zinx | waq: perhaps mention the HD model, the interface it uses (IDE, SATA, SCSI, USB, FireWire, whatever), and what computer/motherboard model/controller you are trying to use it with |
| 10:36.09 | ksk | hey guys, id like to user fuse with a non-root-user: ive read abut the "fuse" group, but /dev/fuse is root:root(1600) - so why this fuse group? ( i know i could proably change the group of the file - but wondering is there a clean "debian way")? |
| 10:36.35 | ezra-s | waq, disks != partitions |
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| 10:43.24 | th3m1773n | hi all |
| 10:45.29 | th3m1773n | I'm having a puzzling experience with a debian web host... |
| 10:45.29 | th3m1773n | I do $ which php, which returns /usr/bin/php |
| 10:45.30 | th3m1773n | But if I do $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/php, I get "/usr/bin/php not found"! Is that even possible? |
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| 10:51.49 | anddam | "SId3 | im sorry my computer was turned off" ? |
| 10:52.25 | anddam | th3m1773n: maybe it's provided by the alternative system |
| 10:52.40 | th3m1773n | anddam: thx for your answer =) how so? |
| 10:52.43 | waq | zinx: thank you for your reply. I have found it was not wiped properly :( used gparted, cleared the RAID metadata and it seems to be showing full now. Thanks |
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| 10:55.27 | th3m1773n | anddam: Dude.! You're the man. Indeed it actually points to /usr/bin/php5. Finally, a smart implementation of multiple php versions. |
| 10:57.48 | boudiccas | i'm trying to get collectd up and running using the 'notify_desktop' plugin. it says in the log '[2013-10-01 11:53:34] notify_desktop: Failed to get the notification server info. Check if you have a notification daemon running.' but i have notification-daemon and notify-osd installed, so why isnt it seeing and using them please? |
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| 11:01.08 | Mykathendu | :0 |
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| 11:03.52 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: is it actually running? |
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| 11:04.35 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; yes |
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| 11:05.44 | th3m1773n | so $ service collectd status ouputs "running" and collectd is included in ps aux? |
| 11:06.29 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; i can see it in ps aux | grep collectd |
| 11:08.14 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: You're probably more advanced than me lol. But maybe a service restart? |
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| 11:08.51 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; didnt know the 'service status' command, so i've made a note of it for future use, thanks, and it confirms that collectd is running |
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| 11:09.12 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; done that, still shows the same error message |
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| 11:10.49 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; just joined the collectd mailing list, and will be asking them there |
| 11:11.14 | adac | What is a common way to tell debian to start a init.d script as a certain user |
| 11:11.49 | Sevet | adac: do you mean the daemon, not the script |
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| 11:11.57 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: this is what I found, maybe it could point you in the right direction: http://collectd.org/documentation/manpages/collectd.conf.5.shtml#plugin_notify_desktop |
| 11:12.13 | adac | Sevet, actually it would be the daemon yes |
| 11:12.25 | Sevet | it depends on the daemon |
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| 11:12.49 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: I think it's the notification daemon that should be running, not just collectd |
| 11:13.25 | Sevet | adac: some it'll be set by the daemon and configured in its config files (eg mysql you set it in my.cnf), others it's set by the init.d with the args to start-stop-daemon |
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| 11:14.06 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; i'll raise you one :) https://collectd.org/wiki/index.php/Plugin:Notify_Desktop and the notify-daemon is running as it pops up every two hours for my backup |
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| 11:14.25 | Sevet | adac: if neither of the above it'll be as the current user and you can use 'su -c /etc/init.d/script username' for that |
| 11:14.44 | Sevet | in short it depends |
| 11:15.07 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: well, what can I say, I'm pretty much out of ideas lol |
| 11:16.13 | adac | Sevet, kk I thank you! |
| 11:17.47 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: What if you restart the notification daemon? maybe, just to register the change. It's probably not that but since we're short of ideas... |
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| 11:21.49 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: apparently this error is displayed by collectd when the notify_get_server_info () returns nothing |
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| 11:22.12 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; the notification-daemon isn't running all the time, it only appears when some other programme calls it |
| 11:22.12 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:22.18 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: and notify_get_server_info () is a function from the libnotify library |
| 11:22.27 | Posterdati | which is the most recenent kernel version for stable? |
| 11:22.32 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: oh |
| 11:22.34 | Posterdati | is 3.2.0-4? |
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| 11:23.20 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: Sorry, I don't know all that stuff, my only experience of linux is command line so GNOME is pretty much obscure for me :p |
| 11:23.35 | babilen | Posterdati: yes |
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| 11:23.58 | babilen | Posterdati: Well, that's the package (and ABI), not the actual kernel version, but yeah |
| 11:24.00 | Posterdati | babilen: I'm building the official kernel following https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 11:24.15 | babilen | Posterdati: okay |
| 11:24.20 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; gnome? go wash your mouth out with soap and water! :)))) i'm a die-hard fluxbox user, and working nights atm so i should go to bed to sleep |
| 11:24.24 | Posterdati | babilen: and it is linux-3.2.46, is this so diferent? |
| 11:24.44 | Posterdati | babilen: is it possible to compile newer kernel that way? |
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| 11:25.47 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:25.48 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.46-1; wheezy-security: 3.2.46-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.2.51-1 |
| 11:25.57 | babilen | Posterdati: ^^^ note that version != ABI |
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| 11:26.53 | katla | hi |
| 11:26.53 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: lolz, ok don't flip out. It's just that libnotify is a GNOME dev library ^^ |
| 11:26.53 | Posterdati | babilen: ? |
| 11:27.04 | katla | which dot file should i put xset -b in |
| 11:27.22 | Posterdati | babilen: will next update be 3.2.51? |
| 11:27.51 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: okay maybe try and startup notification-daemon yourself with $ service notification-daemon start (or restart), and retry with desktop_notify |
| 11:27.55 | babilen | yes, and that version is already available in wheezy-proposed-updates, but you'll get it with the next <point release> if you don't have that repo enabled |
| 11:28.03 | babilen | Posterdati: ^ |
| 11:28.06 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: also check your version of libnotify |
| 11:28.14 | Posterdati | babilen: mmmmh |
| 11:28.31 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: and if that works, put that start command in a startup script |
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| 11:29.09 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: work nights eh? I tried that, turned into a zombie... |
| 11:29.38 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; libnotify-bin 0.7.5-1 aka wheezy bog standard |
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| 11:30.10 | Posterdati | babilen: ah ok, I understand now |
| 11:30.28 | Posterdati | babilen: tx |
| 11:30.32 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: right. Well the latest version is 0.7.6 but I don't think that's a problem |
| 11:30.37 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; first night was last night, back on duty tonight at 2100, but i dont feel particularly sleepy atm |
| 11:30.42 | babilen | Posterdati: np ~:) |
| 11:30.50 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: cool, cool |
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| 11:32.04 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: did you try the manual start? Does it do anything? |
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| 11:32.24 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; still ticking away but little output atm |
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| 11:39.02 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: No idea if relevant, but somebody fixed their issue with notification-daemon with a startup script (in arch+fluxbox): https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=138616 |
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| 11:40.13 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; i'm already getting notifications , like every 2 hours when my backup runs |
| 11:41.34 | th3m1773n | yes, I know that. But because collectd does a notify_get_server_info (), which apparently asks of the daemon to be running without starting it itself, then it's probably better to keep it running at all times and not only when the backup notifications start it up |
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| 11:43.55 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: anyways, I'm out of ideas. Maybe just sleep on it? :p |
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| 11:45.39 | Mykathendu | V: |
| 11:45.53 | boudiccas | th3m1773n; point taken, just starting it off now, and then bed! hooray! btw, thanks |
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| 11:47.05 | kelpie | is there any network manager using wpa_supplicant+dhclient made in whiptail? i'd make one |
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| 11:53.52 | Iridos | bah, no dpkg |
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| 11:56.08 | Dirkos | When i install postgres from aptitude it says it is version 9.1 |
| 11:56.16 | Dirkos | when will there be a /etc/postgresql/8.4 instead? |
| 11:57.09 | Myrtti | wat |
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| 11:57.46 | Dirkos | when done there will be a* |
| 11:57.57 | Dirkos | so he says he installs 9.1 but he is creating a 8.4 folder? |
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| 12:00.45 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of jelly) |
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| 12:01.21 | Iridos | \o/ |
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| 12:02.30 | chumby | how do you change nautilus back to prompting for what to do on device insertion under wheezy? |
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| 12:07.02 | z302 | Debian.org criteria for Testing: "The package has been in "unstable" at least for 2-10 days (depending on the urgency of the upload)." my question is, how typical it is that testing is only lagging 10 days from sid, on average? |
| 12:08.42 | Iridos | chumby, with difficulties? I'd have thought... .config/nautilus only my one is empty |
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| 12:10.19 | chumby | Iridos: unfortunately mine is also empty |
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| 12:15.34 | Iridos | chumby, it's probably some of the gazillion settings available via gconftool // gconftool-2 |
| 12:17.01 | chumby | Iridos: I was afraid of that... it's probably easier to move aside my files and rm -fr my home directory and recrate my login |
| 12:17.37 | chumby | inserts pins into gnome shaped voodoo doll |
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| 12:21.23 | Iridos | chumby, check if that lists any interesting options: gconftool-2 -R /schemas/apps/drivemount-applet |
| 12:21.33 | Iridos | I hope we're talking about gnome shell in wheezy |
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| 12:22.36 | chumby | Iridos: thanks for that... I don't think it's what I'm looking for but I need to go and get some sleep... will try again tomorrow... have a good one :) |
| 12:22.50 | Iridos | gn to you |
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| 12:32.26 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: oh no you doin't |
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| 12:32.35 | th3m1773n | boudic |
| 12:32.44 | th3m1773n | boudiccas: go sleep |
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| 12:37.32 | eskatrem | Hey, I have some trouble to use java 6 on debian |
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| 12:38.23 | eskatrem | I have java 7 installed, and I need to use java 6, so I run: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk, which tells me that openjdk-6-jdk is already installed |
| 12:38.33 | eskatrem | problem is: I have no clue where to find it |
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| 12:40.03 | ChrisH | eskatrem: dpkg -S openjdk-6-jdk But my understanding is, openjdk is Java7 |
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| 12:40.44 | eskatrem | ChrisH: oooh, so the 6 from openjdk-6-jdk has nothing to do with the 6 from java 6 "/ |
| 12:41.12 | ChrisH | eskatrem: my fault... openjdk-6-jdk is java 6. |
| 12:41.13 | kaitiff | soo. what are my chances of successfully changing my sources.list file from lenny to wheezy, running apt and having it all work? :) |
| 12:41.25 | jelly | kaitiff: don't do that |
| 12:41.45 | kaitiff | jelly: too late.. |
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| 12:42.07 | ChrisH | eskatrem: use the alternative mechanism using update-alternatives --list java |
| 12:42.08 | kaitiff | jelly: I haven't rebooted the system yet, but I had a sinking feeling that I shouldn't have done it |
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| 12:42.42 | eskatrem | ChrisH: trying it... |
| 12:42.50 | jelly | kaitiff: skipping releases is not allowed and no supported. Read the instructions for going lenny->squeeze, do that, then go squeeze->wheezy. Workarounds needed for release upgrades get removed in release +1, so skipping releases makes unpredictable things |
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| 12:43.01 | kaitiff | jelly: I had a really old ibm 570 that I had installed Debian on sitting on a shelf, unused for at least a year, maybe 2, decided to see if it would update. |
| 12:43.38 | kaitiff | jelly: so if I went back, and reset the sources.list to squeeze and reran apt? |
| 12:43.42 | jelly | kaitiff: if nothing got installed yet, stop the process, go back to lenny, and do it the right way |
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| 12:44.24 | jelly | kaitiff: no. Go back to lenny. Instead of changing the sources.list and hoping it works, read the fine release notes for squeeze. |
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| 12:44.38 | jelly | dpkg, tell kaitiff about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:44.54 | kaitiff | jelly: oh a lot of stuff got installed. Oh well.... I knew it was dumb to do it, my own fault. |
| 12:44.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell kaitiff about squeeze release notes |
| 12:45.16 | jelly | oh well, now you know better |
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| 12:50.59 | adac | Is there a repository for the latest version of git for apt-get? |
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| 12:51.50 | jelly | adac: which minimum version do you require and why? |
| 12:51.53 | jelly | ,v git |
| 12:51.54 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1; sid: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1; experimental: 1:1.8.4-1 |
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| 13:00.04 | adac | jelly, using squeeze backports, all packages will get updated right? or can i just tell to use only git from backports and th other from stable? |
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| 13:01.50 | babilen | adac: You are aware that squeeze is oldstable and that wheezy is stable right now, aren't you? You should perform the upgrade to wheezy rather sooner than later |
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| 13:01.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell adac about squeeze->wheezy |
| 13:02.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell adac about release notes |
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| 13:02.45 | babilen | adac: But yes, you can selectively install git from squeeze-backports without upgrading other packages in squeeze. In fact that is the default (and desired) behaviour. |
| 13:02.54 | z302 | maybe he feels wheezy is too bleeding edge yet |
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| 13:07.54 | adac | babilen, thank you for the information |
| 13:08.32 | adac | babilen, you are right we should upgrade. I'm not really familiar with debian I just have to use it because it is installed on our server |
| 13:08.42 | adac | Have to ask the admin regrading an upgrade |
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| 13:10.58 | adac | ,v git |
| 13:11.00 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1; sid: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1; experimental: 1:1.8.4-1 |
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| 13:11.49 | adac | hmm the curretnt version I have installed is: 1.7.2.5 but backports is already enabled. How can ii update to the newest version then? |
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| 13:13.17 | michelem | hello folks |
| 13:13.37 | michelem | where do you put options for startup programs? Do you edit directly the startup script? |
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| 13:14.17 | ExeciN | I can't adjust the brightness on my MacBook Pro. I have pommed installed. How can I fix that? |
| 13:14.18 | reavengrey | AFAIK, yes |
| 13:14.27 | adac | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install |
| 13:14.28 | michelem | reaaaalllly??? |
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| 13:21.54 | eskatrem | ChrisH: Thanks, I get the files I want. I had some problems with eclipse to tell which version of java I want to use for which project, but it's ok |
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| 13:24.29 | suy | I've added deb-src lines for unstable (for backporting stuff). I've tried apt-get source -t unstable foo and apt-get source foo/unstable but both give me errors. Any idea? http://paste.debian.net/47815/ |
| 13:24.45 | suy | (on stable, I mean) |
| 13:24.57 | jelly | suy: after an apt-get update? |
| 13:25.03 | suy | jelly: yes |
| 13:25.20 | themill | suy: use apt-get source package=version |
| 13:25.21 | suy | oddly, apt-get source hello downloads stuff from testing |
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| 13:26.19 | suy | I think that at other computer I got this right. But I don't know what could be different. |
| 13:26.20 | jelly | suy: pastebin the output of "apt-cache showsrc foo" and "apt-get -t unstable source foo" |
| 13:26.49 | jelly | apt-get -t unstable source zsh # wfm |
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| 13:29.04 | themill | jelly: you need to have both deb and deb-src for -t to work with "source". (also source package to binary source mapping need to be stable etc) |
| 13:29.13 | suy | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/47817/ <- That's showsrc. The apt-get -t unstable hello is in the other paste: http://paste.debian.net/47815/ |
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| 13:29.51 | suy | themill: mm, ok, that might be it. I have just "deb-src", not "deb" lines |
| 13:30.46 | themill | suy: yep. "apt-get source package=version" syntax is always best |
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| 13:31.18 | suy | themill: noted! Thank you. :) |
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| 13:39.28 | RustyShackleford | so my AWS instance has no /etc/hostname file |
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| 13:39.39 | jelly | themill: well that sucks! |
| 13:39.46 | RustyShackleford | can I just write it to change my hostname? |
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| 13:46.14 | pie_ | is it possible to burn an image to an in-use livecd |
| 13:51.12 | ExeciN | pie_: I think the live cd is needed until the point where you shutdown the computer |
| 13:51.46 | anddam | anyone on the python packages missing from official repository? Namely I'd like to install flask-sqlalchemy and possibly others. I do it with virtualenv while developing but how do I start system's webserver in a virtualenv? |
| 13:51.47 | pie_ | as long as i can burn successfully i dont care what happens afterwards |
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| 13:52.13 | pie_ | i think ive had it happen where i accidentally removed whatever media the os was running off and everything previously loaded worked(i think) |
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| 13:52.39 | pie_ | so if i just ran the burning program, removed and reinserted the disc, then burned, would that work? |
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| 13:54.20 | ExeciN | pie_: To burn a disk some libraries are needed to be used by the burning program, if the live cd is not there you are probably going to get an I/O error and a soft-freeze |
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| 13:54.33 | pie_ | ugh |
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| 13:55.23 | ExeciN | pie_: you can make a live USB drive to free your optical drive |
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| 13:56.18 | pie_ | hm |
| 13:56.18 | jelly | pie_: there are live images that load to RAM completely; I don't remember whether debian's livecd has a boot option to do that |
| 13:56.38 | pie_ | to be specific im using crunchbang, im going to try booting it with the toram option |
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| 13:57.23 | jelly | their docs ought to document that stuff |
| 13:57.33 | d0uglas | hi folks.. I dist-upgraded from squeeze to jessie yesterday, and among my problems now is that lsof is eating up my disk i/o (/usr/bin/lsof -w -l +d /var/lib/php5) and I'm lost as to why.. any thoughts? killing the process doesn't help, it resurrects |
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| 14:09.03 | winb | fresh debian wheezy. Running gnome classic, but I want to old default gnome theme. Where can I get this? |
| 14:09.11 | Jonuz | If I choose to install debian to my native language, will default man pages also be in my native language? |
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| 14:09.30 | Jonuz | You can choose it in login |
| 14:09.32 | Jonuz | IMO |
| 14:10.04 | ksk | hey guys, a somewhat strange question(again): can i somehow have a login-service, that lets me ssh into a server but also gives that "secret" to another service? |
| 14:10.08 | Jonuz | ahh, stupid me, nvm |
| 14:10.18 | jelly | ksk: what secret? |
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| 14:12.01 | babilen | winb: There is gnome-fallback, but my honest advice is: Don't use it. You are simply making it harder for you to switch in the future. Gnome 3 is here to stay so either get used to it and tailor it to your needs using extensions (https://extensions.gnome.org/) or switch to a different DE or WM. XFCE4 is a common choice, but you might like the other too. But familiarise yourself with Gnome3 first. They have good things in the pipeline: ... |
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| 14:12.09 | babilen | ... https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/ (not yet packaged) |
| 14:12.30 | cheri_ | hi can anyone tell me how to increase the kernel memory size |
| 14:13.01 | tgs3 | cheri_: by default kernel uses all the memory in computer |
| 14:13.13 | tgs3 | cheri_: unless BIOS reserved some for GFX card, that is configured in bios |
| 14:13.40 | jelly | gnome 3.10, soon to arrive to debian 9 :-| |
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| 14:14.07 | cheri_ | no its the memory that will be used by the kernel when loading |
| 14:14.13 | babilen | jelly: hehe, well .. I have hope for wheezy with 3.10/3.12 |
| 14:14.26 | jelly | the kernel maybe...! |
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| 14:15.15 | pie_ | well i cant find any docs on whether crunchbang has "toram" |
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| 14:17.32 | n0c | anyone know what package provides the command `startx`? |
| 14:17.35 | jelly | pie_: does their channel know? |
| 14:17.47 | jelly | pie_: fwiw, grml.org has it. |
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| 14:17.54 | n0c | trying to install bare minimum x windows environment (openbox) |
| 14:18.15 | themill | apt-file is your friend |
| 14:18.55 | tgs3 | n0c: apt-file search startx |
| 14:19.08 | n0c | meh, what a whole buncha deps for apt-file |
| 14:19.19 | n0c | oh well |
| 14:19.35 | jthomas__ | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
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| 14:20.03 | pie_ | well i can get a usb drive to boot off sooner or later, but timewise being able to overwrite the livecd would still be faster probably |
| 14:20.21 | pie_ | hmmm...i wonder if theres spaceg for me to install the os |
| 14:20.28 | n0c | good idea for a bot script in here if it doesnt already exist |
| 14:20.30 | pie_ | that would probably be the cleanest solution |
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| 14:20.40 | n0c | (apt-file) |
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| 14:21.29 | themill | ,file bin/startx |
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| 14:21.34 | judd | Search for bin/startx in wheezy/i386: xinit: usr/bin/startx |
| 14:21.36 | themill | n0c: ^^ |
| 14:21.46 | n0c | it's in xinit package? |
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| 14:21.52 | n0c | thanks |
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| 14:22.15 | n0c | makes perfect sense heh |
| 14:22.23 | sungazer | Why does updating want to remove fglrx-driver? And possibly task-xfce-desktop? :V |
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| 14:24.13 | n0c | got x started but no openbox |
| 14:24.14 | n0c | hmm |
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| 14:24.29 | uplate | Gah the state of the Desktop is scary. I realise this is wrong place to ask, but has anyone tried Windows 8.1? You *almost* have to sign into outlook.com to make it work! Horrible! |
| 14:25.03 | themill | you'd struggle to find a channel that is more wrong |
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| 14:25.36 | uplate | lol. I type this all on Debian, so I was hoping that made it almost ok :P |
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| 14:29.25 | peterrooney | uplate: ... if you're having a problem with your keymap ... |
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| 14:33.11 | uplate | peterrooney: how do I map the windows key to rm -rf ~/VirtualMachines/Win* ? |
| 14:33.13 | uplate | ;) |
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| 14:52.08 | __rob | hello |
| 14:52.14 | __rob | I was hoping someone could help me out |
| 14:52.43 | __rob | I'm wondering why I have multiple instances of the same underlying hard disk in /dev/ |
| 14:52.52 | __rob | sdb and sdc seem to be the same underlying disk |
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| 14:53.46 | jelly | uplate: #debian-offtopic or #defocus might be a better place for that kind of conversation, this channel is fore for tech support |
| 14:53.46 | petn-randall | __rob: Is this a virtual machine? Physical? |
| 14:53.50 | __rob | also running hwinfo --disk , I get the same disk, with the same serial number listedn multiple times |
| 14:53.53 | __rob | physical machine |
| 14:54.08 | __rob | 2 raid cards (no hw raid is active) and 5 disks on each |
| 14:54.15 | __rob | standard Seagate 4tb disks |
| 14:54.31 | petn-randall | __rob: multipath? |
| 14:54.41 | __rob | whats that ? |
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| 14:54.58 | jelly | __rob: under which devices? Have you verified they're not just symlinks? |
| 14:55.24 | petn-randall | __rob: Usually two HW-RAID-Controller linked up to the same HDD, so that in case one goes up in smoke, the disks are still accessible. |
| 14:55.41 | __rob | ahh right |
| 14:55.43 | __rob | that may well be it |
| 14:55.48 | petn-randall | s/HW-RAID-Controller/HW RAID controllers/ |
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| 14:56.12 | __rob | I'll open the box and have a look |
| 14:57.10 | __rob | presumably though if that happens my zfs pool will be pointing to the the 'visable' disk on one or the other controller |
| 14:57.15 | __rob | so that would go offline anyway |
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| 14:58.59 | __rob | right, that looks like exactly whats going on |
| 14:59.01 | __rob | thanks alot |
| 14:59.10 | __rob | been scratching my head for about 30 minutes |
| 15:00.28 | javierito | hey guys i like ask one question but no is debian, its possible in this chanel? |
| 15:02.03 | ksk | javierito: just if you dont tell us. |
| 15:02.42 | onethfour | I'm getting a message form syslogd@debian kernel:[bunch of hex values] what log can i check to see what happened? |
| 15:03.39 | petn-randall | onethfour: /var/log/kern.log would be my first guess. |
| 15:04.04 | onethfour | last time this happened it was low on disk space |
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| 15:05.44 | petn-randall | onethfour: df -h will tell you. |
| 15:05.54 | javierito | i today view two servers, this server work vware and have 6 virtual serves (3x2)... the cuestion have a storage SAN and 5 servers installed in this SAN... |
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| 15:06.38 | javierito | but, i view 1 server in one SYNOLOGY working on LAN, and this server are the most used, and the LAN seem work many slow |
| 15:06.52 | javierito | i dont understand by the last server are installed in the LAN |
| 15:06.56 | onethfour | What the heck is .host:/ petn-randall |
| 15:07.00 | onethfour | that is using 66% |
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| 15:07.17 | onethfour | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:07.48 | onethfour | oh that might mean my windows file system |
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| 15:11.56 | onethfour | well i checked the log and a whole bunch of errors are there, but i wouldn't have any idea what the real problem is, looks like a code stack-trace |
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| 15:12.06 | onethfour | thanks for the help |
| 15:13.52 | ChrisH | onethfour: usefull commands: blkid and lsblk to understand what disk/device is used |
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| 15:24.49 | Vanfanel | oops, did it with ISO-8859-1 |
| 15:25.45 | Benkinooby | hi, i am going to install debian on a laptop and 99% chance, that i won't have internet there (no second computer, nothing). what do i have to pack, so that i am prepared for all the driver stubbornes of laptops. get a copy of all 8 debian install cd's? |
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| 15:27.10 | el-linedash | Benkinooby, pre-research your driver packages |
| 15:27.18 | el-linedash | and ensure you've got the non-free firmware package |
| 15:27.24 | el-linedash | just in case |
| 15:28.08 | Benkinooby | el-linedash: is that non-free firmwarepackage part of the 8 CDs? |
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| 15:34.07 | Benkinooby | el-linedash: ok,so all i need is that 14MB tarball? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
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| 15:35.38 | babilen | Benkinooby: Yes, that contains all the firmware you'll need if your device is supported by the kernel in wheezy. Unpack it on a USB stick and plug it in during installation or unpack it to the second partition of your USB stick if you plan to install from USB |
| 15:36.27 | Benkinooby | babilen: wow... only 14 MB... i expected something like a whole CD with firmeware for all kind of hardware |
| 15:38.13 | Benkinooby | babilen: el-linedash my problem is, that all this is a total flight into the dark: i will send the CDs to someone who is pretty now to all that linux stuff + internet is not avalable or veryveryvery expensive. so i prefer to send him 100 CDs if i must |
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| 15:38.26 | Benkinooby | *now->new |
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| 15:39.27 | Benkinooby | and to make things worse there are several laptops of different brands |
| 15:39.59 | Benkinooby | the reason to undertake all this, is that the computers there are so virus-ridden that they have to be reinstalled over and over again |
| 15:40.11 | mtn | Benkinooby: might be better to use a distro that comes with all of the drivers, firmware, etc. |
| 15:40.16 | babilen | Benkinooby: Well, then get the entire DVD (or CD or BD) set + firmware. It would help if you were able to figure out which hardware is used on the box though (e.g. lspci -n output for http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ or lspci -nn output for us) |
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| 15:40.46 | Benkinooby | mtn: don't worry. Debian will only be one of the "bullets" |
| 15:40.51 | mtn | Benkinooby: though there are no distros that come with |
| 15:40.52 | babilen | Benkinooby: Also note that non-free drivers such as, for example, the nvidia driver are not included on our disk sets. |
| 15:41.13 | mtn | Benkinooby: 'everything', there can always be something missing. |
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| 15:42.01 | Benkinooby | babilen: thank you for your offer. usually i know how all the lspci dance ;) |
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| 15:43.28 | Benkinooby | mtn: i know there is aways someting missing or going wrong - just want to make double-sure it's not my fault ;) |
| 15:43.56 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok! so non-free-firmware is checked. do you also offer a nice collection of all the non-free dirvers? |
| 15:45.11 | babilen | no |
| 15:45.29 | babilen | well, I am not aware of it |
| 15:45.44 | jthomas__ | that's a good idea tho |
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| 15:47.30 | Benkinooby | babilen: hm... so what would you suggest to do? i could try to skim al repos for the driver and store the deb files on a CD. i think installation should be possible/easy then |
| 15:47.48 | Benkinooby | only thing i'm afraigt of is that i may forget some depending packages or so |
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| 15:48.16 | jthomas__ | the full Debian repo on CDs is like 15 CDs i think, can you get it all? |
| 15:48.29 | the_sniff | i have a /64 address added to my eth0 |
| 15:48.36 | the_sniff | but i can't ping from ::1 of it |
| 15:48.41 | the_sniff | why is that? |
| 15:48.41 | Benkinooby | jthomas__: if i must i will go for 50 CDs |
| 15:48.54 | Benkinooby | jthomas__: does the full repo contain all those non-free things? |
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| 15:49.40 | babilen | Benkinooby: The mirrors contain all packages in main, contrib and non-free, but we only provide images that contain the packages in main (and therefore Debian); Are you sure that the entirety of non-free software is needed? |
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| 15:50.18 | babilen | Benkinooby: Can't you ask your pal about the hardware it is going to be installed on? |
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| 15:51.36 | Benkinooby | babilen: i can and he'll give me the models, no problem. but sooner or later he'll have to deal with other laptops/computers |
| 15:52.02 | Benkinooby | babilen: usually i would totally agree with the "normal" way. install it and later go for the non-free stuff you need |
| 15:52.33 | Benkinooby | but i think in this case, a "boad shot" approach will be favourable. everything that comes on CD will save them time and internet/money |
| 15:52.46 | babilen | Benkinooby: Well, you could setup a local mirror and connect computers to that for the install. (it would need to be ugpraded for point releases though) |
| 15:53.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell Benkinooby about apt-mirror |
| 15:53.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Benkinooby about mirror size |
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| 15:54.04 | Benkinooby | full disclosure: i am sending those CDs to a friend in the dark hear of africa - he's far from setting up or running a mirror server |
| 15:54.39 | Benkinooby | he usually earns his money with small reparis and all that, and he get tired of the windows-virus hunt |
| 15:54.43 | babilen | Benkinooby: He can run his own local mirror (local LAN) that is then being accessed by his peeps. |
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| 15:55.03 | Benkinooby | peeps` |
| 15:55.05 | Benkinooby | ? |
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| 15:55.32 | babilen | Benkinooby: I totally understand your usecase, but I would *strongly* suggest to bring this up on various mailing lists. It is very likely that things like this have been done before and that people involved in these efforts have knowledge to share. |
| 15:55.49 | the_sniff | can i add a /64 ipv6 subnet instead of 1 address each time? |
| 15:55.53 | babilen | Benkinooby: "people" / "customers" / "computer users who want to install Debian" |
| 15:56.07 | workingcats | hello, i have a debian 7.1 and a little problem with lvm/df. /dev/mapper/wiki-root and /dev/wiki/root are both symlinks to ../dm-0. when i run df -h on the former i get the expected result of usage on that volume, when i run it on the latter i get usage on /dev |
| 15:56.13 | workingcats | is that normal? |
| 15:56.19 | babilen | Benkinooby: I can think of debian-user and debian-project immediately |
| 15:56.39 | Benkinooby | ? |
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| 15:57.07 | Benkinooby | ah ok |
| 15:57.09 | Benkinooby | got it |
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| 15:57.20 | Benkinooby | didn't see the mailing-list comment |
| 15:57.58 | Benkinooby | babilen: that's a good idea, since i use debian but i am far from experienced... |
| 15:58.04 | jthomas__ | peeps = people |
| 15:58.39 | babilen | Benkinooby: But running a local mirror on the LAN is not such a bad idea and would allow hosting main, contrib, non-free and would also allow for easy (literally) walk-in uprades during point releases. |
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| 15:59.11 | Benkinooby | babilen: hm, you're probalby right. also he could proxy updated with that |
| 15:59.27 | Benkinooby | babilen: so he downloads one -> all others get it from him |
| 15:59.31 | babilen | Benkinooby: I thought that internet access was out of the question? |
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| 16:00.37 | Benkinooby | babilen: they have internet, but the charge you lots of money for the MB |
| 16:00.39 | Benkinooby | megabyte |
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| 16:00.56 | Benkinooby | babilen: so everything that can be done without, should be done without |
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| 16:01.35 | Benkinooby | babilen: sorry, maybe i was too unspecific |
| 16:01.42 | Benkinooby | my bad |
| 16:01.57 | pie_ | crunchbang seems capable of "toram" but i get a black screen after it loads most things, its too fast for me to catch any errors |
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| 16:02.56 | Benkinooby | babilen: so for my best case looks like this: he gets a pack of CDs which contain all the firmaware/drivers that may be needed + the basic software |
| 16:03.42 | Benkinooby | babilen: most people down there down there are interested in a browser (facebook!) and maybe a cool music player. office in rare cases |
| 16:03.56 | babilen | Benkinooby: I totally understand with the problem of accessing non-free software for which we don't make images available. Bring it up on the mailing lists, there are many different approaches and we can spend the next fife hours discussing this here. |
| 16:04.17 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok :) |
| 16:04.52 | Benkinooby | i'll try to prepare a more pecififc text to avoid misunderstandings and post them |
| 16:05.04 | drybjed | does anyone use safekeep with rdiff-backup? |
| 16:05.05 | Benkinooby | babilen: thank you for your input |
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| 16:07.15 | Benkinooby | !safekeep |
| 16:08.00 | Benkinooby | drybjed: uhm, do you know about dirvish? |
| 16:08.22 | drybjed | Benkinooby: I'll look it up, what's with !safekeep? |
| 16:08.56 | Benkinooby | drybjed: usually if you do !something you aske the bot what he knows about something |
| 16:09.10 | drybjed | ah, ok, I'll ask dpkg then |
| 16:09.54 | drybjed | well, dpkg doesn't know safekeep |
| 16:10.06 | drybjed | Benkinooby: anyway, wy dirvish? |
| 16:10.09 | drybjed | *why |
| 16:10.26 | Benkinooby | drybjed: dirvish sees to be pretty similar to safekeep. i use dirvish and it's very satisfying. i will do remote or local backups, all of then diffed (but uses hardlinks so that it looks like a full backup), the backups are easyly accessible, it manages expiration of packups |
| 16:11.11 | Benkinooby | drybjed: i am super happy with dirvish - i don'T know if it is better/worse (for your needs) than safekeep though. |
| 16:11.26 | drybjed | Benkinooby: does it work as a centralized backup? from the clients to one central server? |
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| 16:11.52 | babilen | drybjed: it can be used like that, I'd also look into backuppc |
| 16:11.53 | Benkinooby | drybjed: and it is very lightweight. a littel cron (that comes with the package) and one config file for server and one per client |
| 16:12.03 | Benkinooby | drybjed: yes |
| 16:12.24 | drybjed | Benkinooby: I'm using it currently with about 15 servers, I was just interested if safekeep would be making it's way into Debian anytime soon... |
| 16:12.45 | Benkinooby | drybjed: using "it" <- dirvish? |
| 16:12.48 | drybjed | Benkinooby: dirvish requires any configuration client-side? |
| 16:12.54 | drybjed | it <- safekeep + rdiff-backup |
| 16:13.02 | Benkinooby | ah ok |
| 16:13.26 | Benkinooby | drybjed: yes. you have two config files. one on the server, that sets global settings. and then on each client for specific setting |
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| 16:13.52 | xlinkz0_ | can i get libffms2 on squeeze? |
| 16:14.34 | drybjed | Benkinooby: so dirvish backup is dependent on the client-side... safekeep can be configured completely server-side, it is designed as a "reverse rdiff-backup", actually |
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| 16:16.26 | Benkinooby | drybjed: hm, i think all dirvish needs is access to the data on the client |
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| 16:17.07 | Benkinooby | drybjed: you don't need to run any progs on the client |
| 16:17.18 | Benkinooby | drybjed: dirvish runs on the server |
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| 16:17.43 | drybjed | I'll check it out |
| 16:17.45 | Benkinooby | drybjed: oh, sorry i was wrong about the client side config file. |
| 16:17.46 | passstab | how do i search for packages within a specific category on the debian website? |
| 16:18.06 | Benkinooby | drybjed: yes please do and do not rely on my bad info ;) |
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| 16:18.29 | drybjed | Benkinooby: sure :) |
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| 16:19.25 | tgs3 | any tool that shows date by DEFAULT in not shitty word name but in numeric format? |
| 16:19.36 | magnulu | running win7 as guest os in virtualbox, I have problems accessing the cups web frontend on my debian host.. now I am trying to find out if this is a issue of wheezy blocking the traffic in some way, but how do I check that? firewall n00b.. |
| 16:19.46 | drybjed | tgs3: date? with some formatting of course |
| 16:19.56 | tgs3 | drybjed: that is not by default |
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| 16:20.05 | rascul | why does it need to be by default? |
| 16:20.06 | drybjed | tgs3: make an alias |
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| 16:20.32 | Benkinooby | drybjed: actually i wanted to know why you chose safekeep - only started my advertising-thing after you said you don't know about dirvish. have to checkout packuppc though. but iirc backuppc is one notch more enterprise level |
| 16:20.39 | tgs3 | becayse names of months are stupid |
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| 16:21.05 | rascul | which is why date allows you to set the format |
| 16:21.13 | Asenar | Hi, I just noticed a lot (but some left) of /etc/bash_completion.d/ has been moved to /usr/share/bash_completion . Is that a recent change ? |
| 16:21.21 | tgs3 | rascul: but it lacks even a shortcut like --not-moronic or --isop |
| 16:21.24 | tgs3 | --iso |
| 16:21.24 | workingcats | tgs3, so set an alias ;) |
| 16:21.32 | workingcats | make a wrapper script |
| 16:21.52 | rascul | +%D |
| 16:22.09 | workingcats | echo "date whatever-the-options-are-i-hate-it-too" >> /usr/local/bin/mydate && chmod 777 /usr/local/bin/mydate |
| 16:22.15 | drybjed | Benkinooby: I started backing up servers using backupninja, through that I found rdiff-backup. I liked the idea, but tried to find something a) centralized and b) that works in direction from "server" (source) to "client" (backup-host), and found safekeep |
| 16:22.20 | workingcats | erm, chmod 755 |
| 16:22.31 | tgs3 | workingcats: I know how to make goddamn aliases/scripts, Im wondering why there isn't an --iso |
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| 16:22.50 | drybjed | Benkinooby: it's pretty easy to configure and deploy, the problem is that it's not in Debian, and authors don' offer Debian repository, just .deb files |
| 16:23.02 | tgs3 | rascul: thanks. Though it still uses braindead ordering of the parts of number |
| 16:23.17 | workingcats | tgs3, in the time you spent complaining you could've fixed the problem 5 times, or submitted a patch to them to introduce --iso ;) |
| 16:23.21 | tgs3 | it could only got more stupid if it would somehow use inches there. |
| 16:23.23 | rascul | tgs3 then order it yourself |
| 16:23.27 | drybjed | Benkinooby: I would like to automate my server deployments using ansible, and with current state of safekeep packages I would have to setup my own repository for them |
| 16:23.31 | rascul | date(1) tells how to do it |
| 16:23.50 | rascul | it only takes a minute to format it how you want it |
| 16:23.54 | Benkinooby | drybjed: ok, by now i am sure dirivsh does that too. you have 1 computer that does all the backups. all it needs is access to the client data (dirivhs can use ssh) |
| 16:23.58 | tgs3 | workingcats: oh I wanted to share with you how stupid the default date formats are |
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| 16:24.08 | Benkinooby | drybjed: i think dirvish is what you want |
| 16:24.19 | drybjed | Benkinooby: how about incremental backups? |
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| 16:24.31 | Benkinooby | drybjed: no problem |
| 16:25.04 | Benkinooby | drybjed: will be rynced. plus you will not "see" that they are incremental, due to some hard link fairy dust |
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| 16:25.34 | Benkinooby | drybjed: so every backup looks like a full backup and is accessible as ordinary folder structure |
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| 16:27.41 | Benkinooby | drybjed: on of the best tings is the expiration management though. you can for example set the following policy (in a cron style way): by defalt, remove backups after 14 says, keep those from the 1st of every month for 3 monts |
| 16:27.47 | Benkinooby | or wahtever you like |
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| 16:27.58 | workingcats | tgs3, i agree ;) |
| 16:28.29 | drybjed | Benkinooby: interesting, and that even might be easier to maintain using ansible |
| 16:28.51 | Benkinooby | drybjed: dirvish is in the repos - which is a plus too |
| 16:29.10 | drybjed | Benkinooby: yes, already looking through doc/ |
| 16:29.30 | Benkinooby | drybjed: what is ansible? |
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| 16:30.26 | drybjed | Benkinooby: a configuration management framework, alternative to puppet, chef, cfengine, salt |
| 16:30.50 | drybjed | Benkinooby: very lightweight, uses only ssh for access (no client-side software needed apart from python) |
| 16:31.01 | Benkinooby | oh ok - never touched an configration management framework - didn't even know such things exist |
| 16:31.21 | babilen | salt is great, but haven't played with ansible ... |
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| 16:31.35 | drybjed | babilen: go for it, you won't look back :) |
| 16:32.15 | drybjed | Benkinooby: I started with ansible about 3 weeks ago, never going back. before to setup a server I had to spend at least 2h to make it confortable, now - 5 minutes max |
| 16:32.35 | drybjed | just run one command, lean back and enjoy smell of coffee in the morning :) |
| 16:32.54 | Benkinooby | drybjed: you sell coffe?! ;) |
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| 16:33.07 | drybjed | Benkinooby: no, just good advice :) |
| 16:33.14 | Benkinooby | drybjed: but it sounds good :) |
| 16:33.26 | drybjed | that's why I sell it :) |
| 16:33.28 | Benkinooby | if i get to manage a network i'll use it :) |
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| 16:33.32 | Benkinooby | :D |
| 16:34.05 | drybjed | Benkinooby: it's not just for networks |
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| 16:35.36 | Benkinooby | drybjed: ok, but basically you set your routine (install package xyz, config this, mount that) and it will apply it on the target computer? |
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| 16:36.24 | drybjed | bnk: something like that, you can also use logic, templates, separate your configuration from your servers |
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| 16:36.41 | drybjed | bnk/Benkinooby |
| 16:37.20 | Benkinooby | drybjed: take care though about the incremental backups of dirvish. some programs get confused by the hardlinks. best you use 'du' and check the whole vault (dirvish term) so that only one hardlink per file is counted |
| 16:37.22 | drybjed | Benkinooby: you can run commands in parallel on all your servers or just selected ones |
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| 16:37.44 | Benkinooby | drybjed: nice :) |
| 16:37.54 | Benkinooby | drybjed: DDos here we come XD |
| 16:38.04 | drybjed | Benkinooby: deja vu |
| 16:38.18 | Benkinooby | lol |
| 16:38.23 | drybjed | Benkinooby: by default ansible runs commands on 5 nodes at a time, you can change that |
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| 16:38.35 | drybjed | Benkinooby: deja vu because I heard that line before :) |
| 16:38.40 | drybjed | I think here even |
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| 16:38.44 | Benkinooby | well, was |
| 16:38.51 | Benkinooby | wasn't me |
| 16:39.00 | drybjed | I know, neither a cat :) |
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| 16:39.15 | Benkinooby | but would be a nice chapter for BOFH |
| 16:39.17 | Benkinooby | :) |
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| 16:40.44 | drybjed | Benkinooby: right now I'm building an ansible "playbook" which builds Debian-based homelab, one of the key fatures - set up apt-cacher-ng on one node and point all others to that cache |
| 16:41.07 | nmpro | I commented out a cron job to do some testing. But every since I restored the cron job it is not running . http://paste.debian.net/47909/ .. any ideas? |
| 16:41.38 | Benkinooby | drybjed: neat! |
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| 16:41.55 | nmpro | can I add something to the cron that might add some additional debugging as to why the cron is not running? |
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| 16:41.59 | drybjed | nmpro: drop */1, it will run every minute anyway |
| 16:42.21 | nmpro | drybjed: replace with *, correct? |
| 16:42.35 | drybjed | nmpro: yes |
| 16:43.18 | drybjed | nmpro: do you have smtpd set up on that host? |
| 16:43.20 | nmpro | drybjed: ok.. but honestly that shouldn't matter. |
| 16:43.23 | drybjed | cron can send emails with errors |
| 16:43.31 | nmpro | no smtpd |
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| 16:43.45 | drybjed | install postfix, set it to local only |
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| 16:43.56 | drybjed | and you should start getting mails on your root account |
| 16:44.03 | nmpro | this is a production box. I rather not start adding packages.. ;) |
| 16:44.14 | drybjed | nmpro: check it on a test box |
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| 16:44.58 | drybjed | Benkinooby: other feature I'm including in my ansible playbook is support for LXC containers - spin lxc host in 10 minutes, and launch new containers in seconds |
| 16:45.30 | Benkinooby | googles LXC |
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| 16:46.17 | Benkinooby | ! i was looking for something like that for ages!!!!! |
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| 16:46.22 | Benkinooby | drybjed: thank you XD |
| 16:46.29 | drybjed | Benkinooby: you're welcome |
| 16:46.31 | Benkinooby | ok, not ages... but anyway |
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| 16:46.49 | drybjed | Benkinooby: just a heads up, default wheezy kernel is bugged, lxc templates too |
| 16:47.05 | drybjed | Benkinooby: you should use kernels at least from wheezy-backports |
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| 16:47.13 | Benkinooby | drybjed: i want to try to set up a multiseat linux - and i'd need something to keep the users separated |
| 16:47.42 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 16:47.52 | drybjed | Benkinooby: lxc doesn't support full separation yet, for example you can't easily limit ram and disk usage |
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| 16:48.05 | drybjed | for disk you can use lvm volumes |
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| 16:48.15 | drybjed | Benkinooby: but multiseat with X? |
| 16:48.21 | Benkinooby | yes |
| 16:48.31 | Benkinooby | drybjed: internet cafe style |
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| 16:48.53 | Benkinooby | the general idea i mean |
| 16:48.54 | drybjed | Benkinooby: look up linux terminal server project, I guess... |
| 16:49.07 | drybjed | I think edubuntu had something like this in the past |
| 16:49.07 | koollman | I don't know any internet cafe doing multiseat :) |
| 16:49.23 | drybjed | yeah, multiseat is tricky |
| 16:49.30 | Benkinooby | koollman: google you'll find |
| 16:49.33 | koollman | http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat/ |
| 16:49.43 | drybjed | you rather could go with thin clients + nfs for /home storage |
| 16:49.50 | Benkinooby | drybjed: well, if it wasn't tricky - where'd be all the fun? |
| 16:50.14 | drybjed | Benkinooby: combine that with ansible, and you could spin up multiseat hosts in minutes :-) |
| 16:50.20 | drybjed | Benkinooby: worth the larning curve |
| 16:50.39 | koollman | that's xorg multiseat. Most internet cafe I know with special confs do 'lightweight client', which is different |
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| 16:51.04 | Benkinooby | koollman: i know. but there are xorg mulitseats too |
| 16:51.21 | koollman | I have never seen one in a cafe :) |
| 16:52.00 | koollman | Benkinooby: anyway, I don't think lxc is a good idea for that |
| 16:52.11 | drybjed | it's not |
| 16:52.18 | Benkinooby | hm |
| 16:52.19 | Benkinooby | ok :( |
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| 16:52.32 | drybjed | lxc it's great if you want to run servers in separation |
| 16:52.43 | koollman | Benkinooby: but standard user separation works well for that, so just use it :) |
| 16:52.45 | drybjed | it's not yet complete, but it works great as a testbed |
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| 16:53.06 | iamarto | Cheers Debbers :) There is a command/executable called "exit" that appears on the terminal if I press <TAB> <TAB>.. but it's not found by locate anywhere on the system... where is the damn script? :) |
| 16:53.22 | drybjed | iamarto: what shell? |
| 16:53.27 | iamarto | bash |
| 16:53.31 | drybjed | it's a file |
| 16:53.37 | drybjed | in current directory |
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| 16:54.06 | drybjed | or you are using a weird bash |
| 16:54.23 | iamarto | drybjed, no it's not.. |
| 16:54.47 | iamarto | drybjed, when I cd.. I find the "exit" command found anywhere.. |
| 16:54.50 | drybjed | iamarto: anyway, it should be a buil-in shell command |
| 16:55.07 | iamarto | it's part of busy box? |
| 16:55.16 | drybjed | iamarto: most likely |
| 16:55.23 | drybjed | but every shell should have it |
| 16:55.35 | drybjed | it's a shell function |
| 16:55.37 | drybjed | man 3 exit |
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| 16:59.03 | iamarto | drybjed, thanks alot |
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| 17:10.17 | iamarto | guys I want to make shortcuts for shutdown,reboot,hibernate,suspend... but I need to know the commands I can use for suspend and hibernate |
| 17:11.20 | Benkinooby | iamarto: if you want to do it as normal users, you'll need dbus messages |
| 17:11.31 | Benkinooby | iamarto: or do you want to use sudo ? |
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| 17:11.43 | iamarto | Benkinooby, good point Benkinooby because in my situation I need to do it as normal user |
| 17:11.56 | hanibana | hi, I've set up openswan 2.6.28 in my debian squeeze box and the tunnel is up. But I can't ping the other sides subnet. How can I be sure that my packets go over the tunnel? |
| 17:12.00 | Benkinooby | iamarto: here is the command i use in *ubuntu* - i guess what you need will look similar |
| 17:12.08 | Benkinooby | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend |
| 17:12.17 | Benkinooby | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate |
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| 17:13.03 | Benkinooby | hanibana: check your routes and/or watch our interface with tcpdum or wireshark |
| 17:13.42 | Benkinooby | hanibana: what error message do you get? |
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| 17:14.17 | iamarto | Benkinooby, I don't understand that long command.. I checked dbus manual.. and I got it.. but I don't know what org.freedesktop.. thing is |
| 17:14.38 | hanibana | Benkinooby: Destination Port Unreachable! |
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| 17:15.51 | Benkinooby | iamarto: to be honest i don't fully understand it either. the whole dbus stuff plus all that permission management is quite confusing if you start to dig into it. try if the command does what you want. if yes, be happy, if no - i can't help you further, since just picked them up from the interwebz ;) |
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| 17:17.23 | Benkinooby | hanibana: hm, i think that routes are ok then. are you sure the other computer is configured correctly? |
| 17:17.32 | iamarto | Benkinooby, that is great :)) haha, thanks anyway. |
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| 17:17.42 | Benkinooby | iamarto: does it work? |
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| 17:18.50 | hanibana | Benkinooby: they say they are OK! I just want to be sure that my icmp packet go over the tunnel to the other end. How can I use tcpdump to check this?! |
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| 17:19.56 | Benkinooby | hanibana: don't know. read the man page, ask in ##network or use wireshark or someone here does know |
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| 17:23.05 | hanibana | Benkinooby: thank you. |
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| 17:27.33 | Benkinooby | hanibana: you're welcome |
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| 17:41.57 | gregf | when I try to startx I see xinit: unable to connect to X server: connection refused, I logged into as root just to see if it worked there and it does. Any one know what might be the cause? permissions on /tmp are file Xorg bin is suid, ran chown on my homedir |
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| 17:44.56 | jdoles | Is Debian doing anything special about Gnome 2 not existing anymore upstream? |
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| 17:49.03 | ksk | hey guys, im using pam_mount module - everything seems like i want - there is just no password ( i replaced the mount call with a bash skript which outputs stdin) - any idea whats wrong? |
| 17:49.10 | babilen | jdoles: No, why should we? |
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| 17:52.02 | Benkinooby | babilen: i searched the mailing lists a bit. there is debian-cd they also treat unofficial CDs |
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| 17:53.02 | codygman | what package has support for unicode U+1F50B? |
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| 17:55.48 | LucidGuy | modified /etc/exports (NFS) .. want changes to take affect without dropping existing connected nfs clients. exportfs -r doesnt seem to do the trick, anyone know the outcome of exportfs -f ? |
| 17:55.55 | LucidGuy | or how I should go about doing this |
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| 17:58.35 | babilen | Benkinooby: yeah, they have a channel too on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) #debian-cd |
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| 18:00.33 | Nik05 | codygman maybe internet says Symbola which is maybe in ttf-ancient-fonts |
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| 18:01.17 | Nik05 | yep codygman its in ttf-ancient-fonts |
| 18:01.17 | Benkinooby | babilen: thx |
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| 18:06.35 | jdoles | babilen: because Gnome 3 is absolutely terrible. |
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| 18:06.58 | reavengrey | It's not |
| 18:06.59 | jdoles | babilen: but you don't have to; nobody is paying you to do the work. |
| 18:07.18 | reavengrey | And you can use gnome2, KDE... |
| 18:07.25 | jdoles | reavengrey: I consider the window management to be terrible. |
| 18:07.35 | jdoles | reavengrey: there is no suspend menu option. |
| 18:08.07 | reavengrey | I don't know what your installation looks like |
| 18:08.07 | jdoles | reavengrey: you cannot disable wifi once it has been activated. |
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| 18:08.35 | reavengrey | But I click my username and then "shut down", and I get a dialog box asking me if I want to suspend, shutdown, retsart, etc |
| 18:08.48 | jdoles | reavengrey: for me it just immediately shuts down. |
| 18:08.53 | reavengrey | #2: Desktop environment != Window manager |
| 18:08.57 | jdoles | reavengrey: really weird behaviour; KDE does the right thing. |
| 18:09.08 | jdoles | reavengrey: it's assumed that you you use the DE supplied window manager. |
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| 18:09.19 | reavengrey | No, I'm telling you |
| 18:09.23 | jdoles | reavengrey: because those are integrated the best. |
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| 18:09.28 | reavengrey | Your desktop environment is not the same as your window manager |
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| 18:09.33 | jdoles | I know that. |
| 18:09.46 | reavengrey | You can use compiz, etc with GNOME |
| 18:09.48 | jdoles | I know you can use stumpwm + Gnome, if you want. |
| 18:10.04 | reavengrey | #3: Open network-manager-gnome, click "disconnect" |
| 18:10.20 | jdoles | Is network-manager-gnome an actual application? |
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| 18:10.29 | jdoles | So, not some "menu". |
| 18:10.39 | reavengrey | Or right click the panel icon, uncheck "Enable Wireless" |
| 18:10.39 | jdoles | If so, then thanks, I will try that. |
| 18:11.06 | jdoles | reavengrey: Enable Wireless doesn't exist in that state. |
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| 18:11.22 | reavengrey | Throw your computer away or reinstall debian afresh |
| 18:11.39 | n3rV3 | haha |
| 18:11.45 | n3rV3 | sorry |
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| 18:13.48 | boudiccas | I'm trying to find the conf file for 'notify-osd', and there isn't one, and hardly anything in its man page, and hardly anything in /usr/share/doc/notify-osd. And there is hardly anything on the source webpage. any ideas for it please, i'm already googling for it |
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| 18:15.36 | babilen | jdoles: Seriously, this is neither the place nor the time to have *that* discussion. Don't use Gnome if you don't want to. It's as easy as that. |
| 18:15.53 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: it's a gnome app it seems, so gconf should be it |
| 18:16.36 | jdoles | babilen: what discussion? |
| 18:16.46 | jdoles | babilen: a discussion requires two people to disagree on something. |
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| 18:17.11 | jdoles | babilen: you can just say "nobody cares about Gnome2" and that's it. |
| 18:17.12 | mumpitze1 | maybe tangential: gnome3 needs a composite capable videocard/driver. does current kde too? |
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| 18:17.53 | babilen | jdoles: A discussion about the merit or shortcomings of Gnome 3. Debian is a distribution that packages software, there is no point in going into this here, so lets drop it. |
| 18:18.20 | jdoles | babilen: is that really the only thing Debian does? |
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| 18:18.35 | jdoles | babilen: I thought it was supposed to be a universal operating system, not a random collection of packages. |
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| 18:18.46 | reavengrey | jdoles: Debian is an OS distribution; it wraps a kernel in userspace APIs and toold |
| 18:18.49 | reavengrey | *tools |
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| 18:18.57 | reavengrey | You choose which userspace APIs and tools you want |
| 18:19.02 | reavengrey | To wrap your kernel with |
| 18:19.07 | reavengrey | So yes, that is all Debian does |
| 18:19.19 | babilen | jdoles: What is your point? Do you actually have a problem we can help you with? If you want to learn about Debian there are various wonderful articles that you can read. |
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| 18:20.25 | yoda_afk | hey, ankso! |
| 18:20.37 | yoda_afk | yoda something you must tell. |
| 18:20.46 | yoda_afk | Yoda something to tell you have. |
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| 18:20.50 | boudiccas | mumpitze1; i've done a 'locate notify-osd.conf' with zero output, also a 'locate notify-osd' but no conf file anywhere. documentation on it is very sparse, unfortunately |
| 18:21.04 | reavengrey | mumpitze1: I'm not sure I follow -- I could be wrong, but AFAIK GNOMA doesn't need any particular type of card or driver beyond one that can render the effects for the graphics intensity you configured it to use |
| 18:21.12 | yoda_afk | boudiccas: I've got a solution to that! U with me? Ready? |
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| 18:21.29 | babilen | yoda_afk: Is there anything we can help you with? |
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| 18:21.42 | yoda_afk | reavengrey: you're into this too.. I'm going to .. just bare with me |
| 18:21.48 | yoda_afk | babilen: yes plox! 1 sec |
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| 18:21.57 | reavengrey | Sup my brother |
| 18:21.59 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: it's gnome app. it probably stores its config in the gnome "registry" aka gconf |
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| 18:22.16 | yoda_afk | boudiccas, reavengrey mumpitze1 and babilen: IM GOING TO FUCK YOU IN THE ASS! |
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| 18:22.19 | yoda_afk | lol there, I said it :D |
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| 18:22.25 | mumpitze1 | reavengrey: if you use a VESA driver, then gnome3 won't run, no? |
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| 18:22.46 | reavengrey | GNOME 3 will /run/ but in low grpahics effects mode |
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| 18:23.07 | reavengrey | It does that when I boot from a debian love CD where the firmware for my radeon crd isn'r installed by default |
| 18:23.18 | reavengrey | *my radeon card isn;t |
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| 18:23.32 | reavengrey | Things like the video card's outputs, etc are handled by the driver |
| 18:23.58 | reavengrey | Userspace software only cares about getting a framebuffer, and sometimes, but not usually which "screen" it's writing to |
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| 18:33.51 | drybjed | Benkinooby: are you still around? |
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| 18:42.18 | Benkinooby | drybjed: uhm... think so :) |
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| 18:42.36 | drybjed | Benkinooby: devrish requires root on the server side? |
| 18:43.01 | Benkinooby | drybjed: yes, to maintain file permissions |
| 18:43.03 | drybjed | Benkinooby: because safekeep runs on it's own user/group |
| 18:43.41 | Benkinooby | drybjed: well it uses root, but you don't have to enter root password everytime it runs its routine |
| 18:43.57 | Benkinooby | drybjed: it will do that in the background with root-rights like other services too |
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| 18:45.45 | Benkinooby | drybjed: did i answer your question? |
| 18:45.52 | drybjed | Benkinooby: yes, thank you :) |
| 18:45.59 | Benkinooby | drybjed: :D |
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| 19:18.52 | Benkinooby | drybjed: how do you like dirvish so far? |
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| 19:19.31 | nmpro | can cp copy multiple sources to a single destination? like cp -avr $source1 $source2 $source3 $destination ?? or is there something better I can use? |
| 19:20.07 | drybjed | Benkinooby: haven't looked on it yet, right now I'm testing multistrap |
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| 19:20.15 | Benkinooby | nmpro: read the man ;) |
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| 19:20.24 | Benkinooby | nmpro: Copy SOURCE to DEST, or multiple SOURCE(s) to DIRECTORY. |
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| 19:20.38 | drybjed | nmpro: you could use cat $source1 $source2 $source3 > $destination |
| 19:20.41 | Benkinooby | drybjed: ah ok - go ahead then ;) |
| 19:20.46 | katana- | drybjed, that wont work |
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| 19:21.16 | Benkinooby | nmpro: cp is ok, but if you do it over network or so, rsync might be a better choice |
| 19:21.23 | nmpro | the $source contains multiple files and directories.. |
| 19:21.27 | drybjed | katana-: why not? |
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| 19:21.32 | katana- | use multiple cp commands |
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| 19:21.35 | nmpro | nahh.. this is all on the local fs |
| 19:21.42 | katana- | rsync works locally |
| 19:21.50 | nmpro | katana-: yeah. I am trying to avoid multiple cp's |
| 19:21.53 | katana- | why |
| 19:21.54 | nmpro | true.. |
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| 19:22.13 | JyZyXEL | katana-: does it also work intravenously? |
| 19:22.14 | nmpro | let me check on rsync.. thanks guys |
| 19:22.23 | katana- | is this a stupid code golf thing |
| 19:22.31 | rryoumaa | the real benefit of rsync ime is that it is idempotent |
| 19:23.24 | Benkinooby | idempotent? |
| 19:23.26 | Benkinooby | what's that? |
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| 19:23.45 | katana- | when you do it twice, it's the same as having done it once |
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| 19:25.48 | Benkinooby | thanks |
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| 19:26.43 | Benkinooby | i think i'll use idempotent more often in my life now :) |
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| 19:26.47 | rryoumaa | :) |
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| 19:30.15 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, I am havng issues w/ my Lenovo Y510P. I have installed wheezy, but it stops on "waiting to fully populate /dev". I took out the second graphics card and it can now boot. I can't get X to work |
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| 19:30.27 | mick_laptop | I've tried the instructions on the wiki |
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| 19:30.50 | mick_laptop | https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 19:33.51 | mumpitze1 | mick_laptop: what videocard have you "left in"? |
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| 19:34.35 | mick_laptop | mumpitze1: it is the builtin one (laptop) |
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| 19:34.46 | mick_laptop | the other was in the bay |
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| 19:35.00 | mumpitze1 | what is it? do you think we are psychic? |
| 19:35.06 | mick_laptop | lspcisays nvidia |
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| 19:36.13 | mumpitze1 | what what does your Xorg.0.log say? |
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| 19:37.11 | mick_laptop | mumpitze1: no screens found |
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| 19:37.33 | mumpitze1 | please pastebin your full log |
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| 19:37.58 | mick_laptop | I'm still trying to get the network to work |
| 19:38.00 | mick_laptop | ;) |
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| 19:38.57 | rryoumaa | are there any web caching proxies that are designed for non-online stuff like indexing so you can find stuff you browsed last week but don't load each page before it gets presented to you the way wwwoffle does? in other words, that just do like tee(1)? do people use polipo for that or is there something better? |
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| 19:40.09 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: wwwoffle |
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| 19:40.29 | mumpitze1 | oh, you already know about that one :) |
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| 19:59.05 | rryoumaa | indeed, the idea is to have browsing be identical to normal browsing, but have the cache around for indexing, offline use, and as an archive. ideally, it would extract a text summary of each site also. |
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| 20:01.33 | rryoumaa | you could almost do it with ngrep + wget :) |
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| 20:04.38 | iamarto | how can I set the default file manager for debian??? It is currently Firefox.. (i am using i3) |
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| 20:09.00 | evanton | the search at http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi seems to be broken, it returns an internal server error |
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| 20:11.31 | rubberneck_ | I need help with disableing iptables. I have saved the current config via iptables-save. How can I disable iptables and keep it disabled after reboot? |
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| 20:13.06 | evanton | why do you need to disable the firewall and why do you need to reboot? |
| 20:14.18 | iamarto | how can I set the default file manager for debian??? It is currently Firefox.. (i am using i3) |
| 20:15.19 | rubberneck_ | evanton: Because the rules are no longer needed. I dont need to reboot, but when someone does reboot in the future I do not want the rules reapplied. |
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| 20:16.18 | evanton | rubberneck_: you will have to do some investigation because persistent firewall rules can be enabled in multiple ways |
| 20:16.48 | evanton | first place to look for that is probably /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:17.15 | evanton | there might be firewal hook scripts in configurations there |
| 20:17.16 | matland | hey guys, is there any where chat logs of several months in easily searchable form? |
| 20:17.30 | matland | tracking down a dissapeared friend who used to hang here |
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| 20:18.15 | babilen | evanton: true, use google with "site:bugs.debian.org FOO" |
| 20:18.16 | Guest44602 | rubberneck_: if you dont use iptables-restore, then it is not used after reboot. |
| 20:18.45 | rubberneck_ | evanton: There doesn't seem to be anything calling iptables in /etc/network/* |
| 20:18.46 | evanton | matland: any connection with that blog post about a friend who died that appeared on hackernews recently? |
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| 20:19.08 | armin | hi, is there some easy to use youtube2mp3 converter for debian? |
| 20:19.52 | evanton | rubberneck_: open https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall and seach for 'enable.sh', this is what i meant |
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| 20:20.09 | matland | i hope not @ evanton |
| 20:20.13 | rubberneck_ | evanton: Thanks Ill take a look |
| 20:21.00 | matland | he has the name debwalker here i believe |
| 20:21.35 | evanton | matland: no, i didn't mean your friend. i meant i've seen recently on hacker news a post about someone who tried to track a lost friend and found out his friend died two years ago and he didn't know. i hope your friend is fine, maybe just busy with real life |
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| 20:23.02 | matland | yeah |
| 20:23.07 | evanton | armin: you can probably do that manually, but you'll lose quality. you can download the video, use mplayer to rip the audio into wav, then use lame to encode into mp3 |
| 20:23.12 | matland | i think he is, just found a post on his ISPs forum |
| 20:23.17 | matland | a month ago |
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| 20:23.59 | evanton | matland: some people stop visiting certain places because they need a rest, they eventually come back if they didn't leave as a result of some drama |
| 20:24.24 | matland | yeah but that asshole dissapeared half a year on me and other friends :-p |
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| 20:24.34 | valroadie | Not sure if this is the right channel for SID questions but, I am having a hard time getting my SID kernel to recognize or use an intel driver on my macbook 2,1 07. If I don't edit the kernel options on boot I get a kernel panic everytime...I should mention I DL'd and installed the recommended intel graphics driver on the debian site. Maybe someone could shed some light on this? |
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| 20:24.40 | matland | i think he's got a woman or something |
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| 20:26.12 | babilen | matland: You might want to take it to #debian-offtopich or a private chat with NickServ |
| 20:26.22 | babilen | matland: #debian-offtopic that is |
| 20:26.39 | armin | evanton: if that works, then there is a 99% chance somebody scripted that already i assume |
| 20:27.09 | matland | gotcha babilen |
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| 20:27.32 | evanton | armin: i know i used to do that manually many years ago. nowadays i'd just use streamripper to get stuff from online radio streams |
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| 20:27.58 | evanton | babilen: thanks for the suggestion but i'm not on good terms with google. it hates me and this is not a joke |
| 20:28.05 | armin | evanton: well we're talking about youtube, not radiostreams. |
| 20:28.10 | evanton | i'll try using some other search engine though |
| 20:28.14 | babilen | sure |
| 20:28.17 | evanton | armin: i understand |
| 20:28.18 | matland | anyway if anyone has an idea pm me |
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| 20:32.26 | armin | any way to solve this? E: Package 'mencoder' has no installation candidate |
| 20:32.45 | evanton | armin: mencoder might be in the mplayer package |
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| 20:33.09 | armin | evanton: then i don't understand why apt-file doesn't know that |
| 20:33.21 | armin | and no it isn't |
| 20:33.29 | evanton | i said "might", i'm not sure this is true in debian |
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| 20:34.06 | evanton | i used to compile mplayer from source years ago and it would give me a mencoder binary too, but debian has a tendency to split up things into multiple packages |
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| 20:37.36 | matland | i'm pretty sure mencoder comes with it tho, that's what i recall |
| 20:37.45 | matland | been a few years though |
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| 20:40.23 | babilen | matland: mencoder is in wheezy and you should be able to just install it directly. Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mencoder" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:41.11 | evanton | it is indeed there http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mencoder |
| 20:41.59 | babilen | matland: I guess that you are using jessie (and should seek support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) from which it has been removed. |
| 20:42.08 | babilen | But please paste that output :) |
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| 20:45.41 | matland | ah yes i never went up to wheezy |
| 20:45.53 | valroadie | Is there a debian channel for SID? |
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| 20:46.01 | babilen | matland: Please paste the requested output and we are able to help you |
| 20:46.14 | matland | i'm not the one in trouble i was tryina help |
| 20:46.15 | babilen | valroadie: sure, #debian-next on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:46.34 | valroadie | ahh ok I figured, but I need to be invited :P |
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| 20:46.41 | babilen | matland: *sigh* |
| 20:46.44 | babilen | sorry |
| 20:46.54 | matland | no worries |
| 20:46.55 | babilen | valroadie: The channel is in irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
| 20:47.04 | valroadie | oh oh oh thanks xD guess I should read next time |
| 20:47.17 | babilen | armin: Mind pasting the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mencoder" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 20:47.30 | evanton | armin: how about this? http://followthegeeks.com/the-most-awesome-way-to-download-youtube-videos-in-linux/ |
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| 20:48.59 | armin | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/48035/ |
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| 20:49.40 | null0 | hi all |
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| 20:58.23 | nickgaw | Hi, I am trying to install dropbox on debian wheezy and have installed the dropbox package using apt-get but am not running X windows and the dropbox command line interface is installed and I did dropbox autostart y but how do I setup dropbox on my debian system so it works either when my user account is logd in or better yet it is always updating even if I am log logd in? |
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| 20:59.08 | Isil`Zha | hello. i'm trying to find information regarding the (now apparently historic) files rc.local and rc.boot (latter being a directory according to some sources). unfortunately i was unable to find good reading material on these. not surprising considering that they apparetly aren't used any longer. unfortunately though, an exam i prepare for lists them as objectives |
| 20:59.30 | mumpitze1 | !tell Isil`Zha about rc.local |
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| 21:02.46 | Isil`Zha | mumpitze1: thank you. when exactly is it actually run? or is there no actual definition on this? the file on my debian squeeze sais "is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel". especially confusing to me is "each". it is supposed to be a "run once" issue during boot, isn't it? |
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| 21:10.34 | Overand | Hey - question. How can I figure out what stuff I've got on this legacy system that i installed via apt. vs installed via .deb files? |
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| 21:11.17 | Overand | Or is that not possible? |
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| 21:14.06 | bullgard4 | Overand: What is the contents of your file /etc/debian_version? |
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| 21:17.28 | Overand | bullgard4: 3.1 |
| 21:17.32 | Overand | hoooboy |
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| 21:18.25 | bullgard4 | Overand: So what you got, is "a Debian system version 3.1". |
| 21:18.38 | Overand | you know, i probably shouldn't keep trying to let this thing limp along, even as a VM |
| 21:19.08 | Overand | I'm trying to figure out where it got is JVM from but screw i, it's time to make a new one. |
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| 21:19.34 | Overand | What's the release cycle of debian-stable like these days? |
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| 21:20.15 | doubled | When I plug in a USB flash with the computer on, it mounts at /dev/sdf1. But when I turn on a computer with the USB flash attached, it's not at /dev/sdf1. Where is it? (Squeeze) |
| 21:20.17 | bullgard4 | Overand: 2 years approximately, I would guess. |
| 21:20.17 | Overand | At least it's sarge and not woody, heh. |
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| 21:21.38 | bullgard4 | doubled: The program GParted will tell you. |
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| 21:22.28 | Vasistha | I have just purchased an external keyboard that includes a few special keys; and I am disappointed to learn via xev that it is not sending the keycodes I was expecting it to. Is it possible some translation might be happening via X11? Is there a way to test key codes on a VT? |
| 21:22.33 | Overand | doubled: you probably want to use UUID anyway |
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| 21:23.05 | mumpitze1 | Isil`Zha: generally only a single multiuser runlevel is used. debian starts with S, then 0, then 2 or such |
| 21:23.14 | mumpitze1 | only runlevel 2 is multiuser |
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| 21:25.19 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: Debian defaults to 2, 2-5 are identical. |
| 21:25.49 | Isil`Zha | mumpitze1: i see. it felt like it would run again if i was in level 2 and switched to 5. thanks for clarifying |
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| 21:26.12 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: In that other branch of distros, 3 is full multiuser with network, 5 is full multiuser GUI. |
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| 21:28.13 | doubled | Overand: thanks |
| 21:28.44 | jhutchins | Isil`Zha: Switching among the identical runlevels in Debian will run the start/stop scripts in /etc/rc#.d/ |
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| 21:30.46 | Overand | More general question - is there a website out there that lets you 'compare' distros in terms of what-versions-of-major-software they're on? I feel like I saw one. Compares stuff like kernel, libc, php, apache, etc? |
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| 21:31.06 | Isil`Zha | jhutchins: thank you. never looked at it this way. makes sense actually |
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| 21:31.32 | mtn | Overand: distrowatch gives that info for each distro. |
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| 21:32.02 | jhutchins | Overand: I think distrowatch may do that, but remember that the same version of a package in Debian has different patches than that version in Suse. |
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| 21:39.01 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins: what "other branch"? |
| 21:39.36 | ExeciN | All my function keys are working except from the increase/decrease brightness keys. How can I fix that? |
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| 21:40.13 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: laptop specific |
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| 21:42.01 | ExeciN | this is the output of pommed http://pastebin.com/tdYhsK3Q |
| 21:42.25 | onethfour | Hmm, is there a way of keeping track of the last file passed to a command, so i can do something like foobar $lastfile |
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| 21:44.59 | rryoumaa | onethfour: some shells do that |
| 21:45.06 | onethfour | bash |
| 21:45.27 | babilen | armin: You missed the output of "apt-cache policy"; Are you tracking testing? |
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| 21:46.13 | babilen | armin: If so: mplayer has been removed from testing and you have to pull it in from unstable. See "/msg dpkg tum" for a suitable configuration and note that you should ask support questions in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net rather than here in #debian |
| 21:46.53 | frikinz | onethfour: !:1 is the first argument of previous command. !* are all arguments |
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| 21:48.55 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: RedHat based distros. |
| 21:50.06 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: RedHat leaves 2 & 4 undefined for user customization. |
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| 21:50.40 | Vasistha | do I need to issue some special command after manually editing grub.cfg (temporarily for a one-time test) to get it to display that menu? |
| 21:50.48 | armin | babilen: ok thank you |
| 21:50.55 | jhutchins | Vasistha: No. |
| 21:50.58 | Vasistha | thanks! |
| 21:52.02 | Vasistha | jhutchins: also - this parameter I'm testing, "atkbd.softraw=0" - am I correct in assuming that goes on the line with linux /boot/vmlinuz-... root=... |
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| 22:04.58 | Overand | Just curious if anyone has opinions on how well i'll feel at home in debian these days - last release i used was Sarge (!). I've used CentOS, ubuntu-server and arch linux since then, extensively. |
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| 22:05.45 | mtn | Overand: you won't know until you try it. debian is very good, but tastes differ. |
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| 22:06.03 | Overand | mtn: oh, for sure - I've never been a distro-snob or understood people who do platform-wars. |
| 22:06.35 | Overand | Is it using classic init.d type or has it moved to the thing i can't remember the name of that some other distros are using? |
| 22:06.36 | mtn | Overand: the only drawback that I know of is that it has "older"software than some other distros |
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| 22:07.07 | Overand | mtn: well, that's why I (and probably a lot of other people) moved to ubuntu-server, but obviously debian just... *feels* better. For one thing, the licensing and organization itself are friggin' phenomenal |
| 22:07.36 | mtn | Overand: systemd can be used with debian, but it is not the default, if I am correct. |
| 22:07.54 | kelpie | guys, where should i put applications like firefox, phpstorm, oracle jdk? /usr/local/bin? |
| 22:08.30 | Overand | mtn: I just had a bad expereince where I was on either woody or sarge, (so a LONG time ago), and had compiled PHP from source because the version in the repo was wildly old, if i recall, and the system ended up getting exploited. soured me on running 'old software' - but the kicker OF COURSE is that if I'd used the supported package, there would have been security patches. (But not the new features, ofc) |
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| 22:09.06 | mtn | Overand: yup, and that is still the situation to some degree. |
| 22:09.09 | rryoumaa | when viewing an image, aren't you supposed to be able to resize it with + and -? is there way to make it fit the window? or are these only in emacs 24? |
| 22:09.19 | rryoumaa | mischan |
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| 22:09.36 | lmint | Happy Birthday Debian |
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| 22:10.10 | lmint | I was wondering if anyone could help me out here with a quick question... |
| 22:10.42 | Overand | mtn: indeed. that's why i run arch on my primary workstation - i can get the bleeding-edge stuff (and annoyance) i need, plus staying familiar with lower-level stuff (as it breaks), but i want much better stuff on servers. |
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| 22:11.56 | lmint | My parents send ecards to people. I have asked them to please stop doing that because the ecards no only invade privacy, they can also damage the recipiants computer. Often the recipiant is an older person, barely knows how to use a computer and something like an ecard will install Flash, then Mcafe which will lead to computer problems and then eventually the user not even being able to check email |
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| 22:12.22 | lmint | Does anyone know of non flash, GNU e cards or some type of e card that is non harmful? |
| 22:12.56 | mtn | lmint: doesn't sound like a debian question. |
| 22:13.15 | lmint | Ok fair enough. Could you recommend a channel? |
| 22:13.34 | rascul | lmint i bet if you searched sourceforge enough you might find a self hosted ecard kinda thing that would suit your needs, sourceforge has all kinds of things |
| 22:13.48 | lmint | Great, thank you |
| 22:14.08 | lmint | One last question. Is it possible to copy and paste text on the chat here? Right click copy doesnt seem to work |
| 22:14.11 | rascul | many of the sourceforge things are even in debian repos |
| 22:14.32 | rascul | usually just highlight will "copy" the text, then you can just middle click to paste it |
| 22:14.40 | lmint | I should probably not visit a debian page with my name being lmint lol |
| 22:14.41 | rascul | highlight with mouse i mean |
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| 22:15.00 | rascul | ##linux is good for the general stuff from time to time |
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| 22:15.36 | lmint | That worked, thank you! |
| 22:15.41 | rascul | but if you not ruin debian, you maybe in the wrong channel |
| 22:15.46 | rascul | run, not ruin |
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| 22:16.21 | rascul | maybe ruin too even |
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| 22:16.33 | lmint | Ok. I plan to try them all. GNU Linux is awesome, sorry it took so long for me to discover this organization |
| 22:16.34 | rascul | as long as you don't ruin my debian |
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| 22:17.40 | harovali | hi, I have a debian wheezy system, pretty vanilla, which used to show in it's standard old gnome desktop, it the upper right corner, the icon which shows which wireless network it's connected to, ant the strength of the signal. |
| 22:18.02 | harovali | Somehow it disappeared, and I'd like to know hot to restore it to its place. |
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| 22:18.54 | harovali | (by 'old' gnome desktop I mean no 3d, nor "gnome-desktop" |
| 22:19.09 | harovali | Any help is welcome |
| 22:19.37 | mtn | harovali: is network-manager installed? |
| 22:19.43 | harovali | I browsed thru the options in the menu, but no one seems to be the application that shows the icon |
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| 22:20.33 | harovali | mtm, in fact it is, because I can open it from the menu. However, in 'wireless' tab it does not show any connection, when I'm remotely connected to it thru one wireless connection. |
| 22:21.10 | mtn | harovali: so the icon is up in the right hand corner, the network-manager icon? |
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| 22:22.25 | buu | Does anyone happen to know the iceweasel equivalent of -install-global-addon ? |
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| 22:23.23 | harovali | mtn: no, it *was* there, but it's no longer there. Additionally, NetworkManager appearance is different than what the icon showed by left clickingon it. Maybe by right clicking on it NetworkManager appered, but I can't confirm because it does not show anylonger, however, it connects without any problem. |
| 22:23.50 | mtn | harovali: alt+f2 and type nm-applet |
| 22:23.56 | harovali | mtn: thanks |
| 22:24.21 | mtn | harovali: if that works, put nm-applet in your startup list |
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| 22:25.15 | RayzrShrp | would you say exim4 is the preferred mta for debian? |
| 22:25.26 | RayzrShrp | for someone new to setting up an mta under debian |
| 22:26.54 | harovali | mtn: well, I tried by alt-f2 ing it, and without complaining, it did not appear; then I tried from the terminal, and it shoes like it's executing , but it doesn' show up. |
| 22:27.12 | harovali | if I killall it, I'll lose my connection? |
| 22:27.21 | mtn | harovali: sorry, I am out of ideas |
| 22:28.04 | harovali | mtn, I'l reboot to see if it's lost in the session or forever |
| 22:28.25 | harovali | mtn: perhaps the icon is there but I can't see it |
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| 22:29.48 | mtn | harovali: want to paste a screenshot of your desktop? |
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| 22:38.49 | buu | Hmph |
| 22:38.52 | buu | Why is this so difficult |
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| 22:44.46 | Mykathendu | Anyone here? |
| 22:44.56 | anxi0us | hi |
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| 22:45.29 | torun | Hi. nouveau seems to be causing crashes for me on a server. is there a way I can not use that and use something else instead? |
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| 22:48.17 | Mykathendu | I run some channels on other networks, and I just started one on this network. It's for furries, but I doubt any of you guys are furries. >_> |
| 22:48.28 | mtn | torun: quick google search found: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 22:50.52 | torun | mtn: Looking at that. I don't want closed drivers.. I just want whatever open source driver will provide basic functionality and not bring the box and all the VMs on it down |
| 22:52.23 | torun | Also somehow in these crashes server host keys got removed. no idea what's up with that |
| 22:52.38 | mtn | torun: nouveau is the open source driver for nvidia |
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| 22:55.44 | torun | it's newfangled. how do I get oldfangled? |
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| 23:01.18 | gnarface | torun: you can't. the nv driver is gone, and the nouveau drivers should work better anyway. perhaps you are giving up on it too easy? its very well tested generally these days and in my experience does not cause the problems you are describing. there is a good chance there is a known workaround or that you have mis-diagnosed the issue or the source of the issue. |
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| 23:02.10 | gnarface | torun: perhaps a better approach would be to first uninstall the graphical login manager you're using so X doesn't try to start on boot to begin with. |
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| 23:02.37 | gnarface | torun: there's a strong chance its only giving you an unresponsive X console due to an xorg.conf misconfiguration |
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| 23:04.58 | gnarface | torun: you can also disable kms in the grub config somehow, which might also sidestep the problem if its not X that's screwing up your console |
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| 23:06.51 | DoctorBTC | be gentle.... I have Squeeze PPC installed on an iBook. I've run all the updates via the gui updater, but the icon in the dock says there are 2 needed, but the app says everything is up to date. Who's lying? |
| 23:08.01 | ectospasm | I'm having trouble mounting a UDF CDROM with Thunar in Wheezy. When I insert this disc into the BD-ROM drive, the icon shows on the desktop as expected, with the volume title as the label. When I double-click the icon, it disappears, and the Thunar window does not open. I can mount the drive and inspect its contents in the CLI, but since this machine will ultimately be used by decidedly nontechnical people |
| 23:08.03 | ectospasm | I decided to keep it as simple as possible. |
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| 23:08.54 | ectospasm | Right-clicking and selecting "Mount Volume" also makes the icon disappear, with no file browser window thereafter |
| 23:09.07 | gnarface | DoctorBTC: sounds like you may have conflicts in your package tree; perhaps your sources.list is messed up, but you should know squeeze is no longer current stable... (i have no idea if there is a ppc wheezy) |
| 23:09.37 | gnarface | DoctorBTC: there used to be a debian-ppc channel somewhere around here... probably losing steam fast though |
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| 23:10.26 | JodaZ | is overcommit disabled by default in squeeze ?_? |
| 23:10.42 | gnarface | ectospasm: did you verify you saw *all* the *correct* contents? there is some flag you gotta set when mounting UDF or some of the contents may be hidden |
| 23:11.03 | DoctorBTC | gnarface: that place sounds good... must investigate |
| 23:11.57 | DoctorBTC | thx gnarface... it does exist. now, to wake them up |
| 23:12.40 | ectospasm | gnarface: since I've never mounted this disc before, I have no way to verify that. I don't have an ISO 9660 disc handy to test |
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| 23:13.49 | gnarface | ectospasm: its a common trick you need to know when mounting for example the retail Starcraft 2 dvd: mount -o ro,unhide,uid=1000 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 23:14.06 | torun | gnarface: I certainly do not discount that I may be misdiagnosing the issue. I am not running any graphical login manager. nouveau stuff seems only interesting bits in /var/log/*, kernel seems to have hung somewhere in those bits |
| 23:14.12 | gnarface | ectospasm: (where '1000' is whatever your user's uid actually is, and /dev/cdrom is your drive, and /mnt/cdrom is some empty directory) |
| 23:14.25 | ectospasm | gnarface: yes, I must avoid the CLI at all costs for this. |
| 23:14.43 | ectospasm | ...since my users will crucify me if I tell them to do that. |
| 23:15.01 | ectospasm | even if I give them explicit instructions. |
| 23:15.23 | gnarface | ectospasm: well i suggest you first try it to make sure that's the actual issue. after that you can try to figure out a way to force the gui to do it right automatically |
| 23:15.27 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Run the commands in a terminal window and see what the output says. More info than from the Synaptic gui. 'apt-get update' followed by 'apt-get upgrade' |
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| 23:15.42 | torun | anyone have any idea why my SSH host keys went missing? |
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| 23:15.54 | ectospasm | gnarface: I think this has nothing to do with the disc format, but with thunar-volman |
| 23:16.13 | gnarface | ectospasm: i can't imagine why you'd assume it can't be both |
| 23:16.19 | DoctorBTC | rwp: doing that now... |
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| 23:16.43 | rwp | DoctorBTC, If the output is long and interesting put it in a pastebin and post the URL. |
| 23:16.52 | gnarface | torun: dead harddrive, or you're not logging into the machine you thought you were... |
| 23:17.00 | gnarface | torun: just a guess |
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| 23:17.15 | mxiia | quick question, in the AptPreferences page on the /etc/apt/preferences file is referenced, but in my system (jessie), that file is nonexistent adn there is a preferences.d directory in its place, I just put my preferences as files in there? |
| 23:17.47 | torun | gnarface: software raid 1, both drives are new-ish and passing smart tests. definitely logged in to machine I think I am |
| 23:17.55 | rwp | mxiia, Either location is the same as each other. Humans tend to use /etc/apt/preferences. Packages tend to use /etc/apt/preferences.d/packagename |
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| 23:18.11 | gnarface | torun: bleeding edge, non-stock, or hand-compiled kernel? |
| 23:18.15 | rwp | mxiia, What do you plan to put in the preferences file? My _preference_, pun intended, is to keep it empty. |
| 23:18.32 | torun | gnarface: no, no, no. note I am running xen on here too. |
| 23:18.39 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 23:18.43 | mxiia | okay, so if i make the /etc/apt/preferences file apt will still understand it, rwp, and right now I just have * for testing and gnome-shell for experimental |
| 23:18.46 | torun | ( currently booted into single user debian 7 to troubleshoot ) |
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| 23:19.29 | rwp | mxiia, yes on apt understanding that file. |
| 23:19.31 | Led_Zeppelin | are there any tools which will give me remote processes I/O ? |
| 23:19.44 | mxiia | rwp, great thank you |
| 23:19.57 | ectospasm | gnarface: I found an ISO 9660 CD... and it works as expected. I suppose it's an interaction between thunar-volman and udf |
| 23:20.27 | rwp | Led_Zeppelin, Your request is ambiguous. Please say more. |
| 23:20.50 | torun | Led_Zeppelin: 'remote processes'? iotop ? |
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| 23:21.49 | DoctorBTC | rwp: i ran apt-get update... first time said i should run it again... so i did. now I am running upgrade ... base, image and openssl appear to be on the agenda |
| 23:22.16 | Led_Zeppelin | rwp, i have 30 or so servers. Which are all running processes. I would like to see how much I/O they are producing. I now get the i/o using /proc/<pid>/io it works but I want to get this data from 15 servers into one. |
| 23:22.32 | Led_Zeppelin | torun, similar to iotop but for remote hosts |
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| 23:23.37 | evanton | Led_Zeppelin: you may want to set up some monitoring system |
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| 23:23.40 | evanton | like nagios |
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| 23:23.56 | rwp | Led_Zeppelin, Not sure what to suggest. I would say to start looking at Munin and see what other process monitoring have plugins to monitor I/O traffic. |
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| 23:24.17 | Led_Zeppelin | rwp, yea. I want something realtime though :p |
| 23:24.33 | rwp | Led_Zeppelin, Not sure Munin is the right thing but it comes to mind and perhaps with that seed some other process monitor would be in the same search hit. |
| 23:24.35 | Led_Zeppelin | like every 2 secs. I want to open my interface and see the aggregation of all 15 servers |
| 23:24.36 | torun | Led_Zeppelin: run iotop on your remote host ? |
| 23:24.48 | Led_Zeppelin | torun, does iotop broadcast ? |
| 23:25.04 | rwp | Led_Zeppelin, You may need to write something custom for your particular need. I don't recall having run into that exact tool before. |
| 23:25.15 | Led_Zeppelin | yep. thats what I though |
| 23:25.26 | torun | Led_Zeppelin: sure, pair it with netcat |
| 23:25.56 | rwp | Led_Zeppelin, Note that by monitoring I/O data you will also be producing I/O data which will also affect the monitoring of it. Hopefully at an amount that will be insignificant by comparison. But probably at a rate that will be significant by itself. |
| 23:25.58 | torun | there are some non free web app thingies out there. new relic and linode longview are the first ones I think of |
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| 23:26.56 | Led_Zeppelin | rwp, sound be insignifant. The proceses read about 9Mb/sec |
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| 23:27.54 | ectospasm | gnarface: removing the /dev/sr0 line from fstab did the trick. |
| 23:28.20 | ectospasm | (gleaned from here: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1281) |
| 23:28.20 | DoctorBTC | rwp: so, after reboot, in X there is an icon with red '!' that says '2 updates available', and if i run update manager it says 'your system is up to date' |
| 23:28.51 | rwp | DoctorBTC, I trust 'apt-get upgrade' to be authoritative. |
| 23:29.16 | rwp | DoctorBTC, I would guess that the gui app has cached something incorrectly. But that is simply a guess. |
| 23:29.47 | evanton | Led_Zeppelin: if the task is as simple as seeing I/O, you can probably work a quick hack with iotop in batch mode and parallel ssh |
| 23:29.52 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Also run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' too. You said Squeeze which is a released version but some security upgrades will require dist-upgrade to be installed. |
| 23:31.02 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Also double check /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* so that you understand where your sources are pointing. Since understanding is good when there are unknown issues. |
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| 23:31.04 | evanton | maybe some additional shell scripting voodoo to cherry pick the data that you want to be displayed |
| 23:31.39 | rwp | evanton, Led_Zeppelin, I was thinking that type of thing too. |
| 23:31.42 | DoctorBTC | rwp: getting in over my head at this point ;) thx for trying |
| 23:32.02 | DoctorBTC | possible because i installed off DVD images? |
| 23:32.23 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Hang in there. It isn't too complicated. It just needs some focus at times. |
| 23:32.45 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Most people have installed from DVD images. That would be a very normal case. |
| 23:33.27 | DoctorBTC | in update manager > settings I started messing around with 'software sources', just switched to 'main server' and am getting 'could not download all repository indexes' |
| 23:33.39 | gnarface | ectospasm: ah, overridden default, good catch |
| 23:33.40 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Is this in GNOME? |
| 23:33.52 | DoctorBTC | yes |
| 23:34.07 | DoctorBTC | 2 items failed.... |
| 23:34.19 | mick_laptop | anyone ever have wifi work during an install, but then stop after the system first boots? |
| 23:34.28 | rwp | DoctorBTC, It would be awesome if we could know what those two failures were. |
| 23:34.29 | DoctorBTC | Sources.gz 404 not found IP:xxxxxx |
| 23:34.51 | DoctorBTC | lemme irc from that system.... ;) |
| 23:35.11 | evanton | mick_laptop: install and working system may differ in terms of kernel versions, loaded modules |
| 23:35.13 | evanton | you get the idea |
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| 23:35.36 | evanton | run the install again, drop to a shell, collect some stats |
| 23:35.55 | mick_laptop | evanton: I just installed 3x :( |
| 23:35.58 | evanton | then match them against those produced by the installed system |
| 23:36.17 | mick_laptop | hmmm |
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| 23:36.24 | kelpie | why dhclient restarts ntpd every time i run it? |
| 23:36.43 | DoctorBTC_ppc | rwp, here i am.... |
| 23:37.05 | rwp | DoctorBTC, DoctorBTC_ppc, Very often I see where people have a problem with the sources.list file. Let me suggest that you clean it to the bare minimum ensuring a fresh start at it. |
| 23:37.06 | kelpie | i've never seen anything like that before |
| 23:37.31 | DoctorBTC_ppc | so, i should take a look at that file... |
| 23:37.41 | DoctorBTC_ppc | where do i find it? |
| 23:37.54 | rwp | kelpie, Look in /etc/network/*.d/* for an ntp restart script. When any network tool brings up a network it will run all of the scripts there. If ntp is configured to restart there then dhclient will do so. |
| 23:38.22 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, /etc/apt/sources.list is the file. Let me suggest a very simple minimum one for Squeeze for you. |
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| 23:39.15 | DoctorBTC | is see that after i installed it, i commented out the cdrom sources... |
| 23:39.54 | rwp | DoctorBTC, The cdrom is commented out automatically by the installer. But left behind as lint. That is normal. |
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| 23:40.10 | DoctorBTC_ppc | ahhh |
| 23:40.24 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Consider this as a very simple Squeeze sources.list file. Move yours out of the way and install this one. http://paste.debian.net/48113/ |
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| 23:41.06 | kelpie | rwp: there's nothing there, only wpasupplicant related scripts. it's debootstrapped sid btw |
| 23:41.19 | rwp | After putting the simple file in place run 'apt-get update' again. Always run update after modifying a sources.list file. Then try 'apt-get upgrade' again. |
| 23:42.03 | DoctorBTC_ppc | doing it now... |
| 23:42.24 | rwp | kelpie, Hmm... Looking... I see /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ntp there. Perhaps it is doing it. |
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| 23:44.49 | kelpie | am i free to get rid of it? |
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| 23:45.56 | rwp | kelpie, That is a loaded question. There can never be any answer other than it is your machine and you are free to do with it as you will. But the ntp package placed it there for a reason. I would try to understand the reason for it. It has never caused me concern before. But if there isn't a reason for it then yes you are free to remove it. It will come back upon the next package upgrade of ntp. |
| 23:46.05 | DoctorBTC | rwp: still with the red '!'... under settings should i check 'proposed updates'? |
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| 23:47.09 | rwp | DoctorBTC, You have yet to share with us the 'apt-get upgrade' output in a paste.debian.net pastebin URL. That is the critical information. |
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| 23:47.48 | rwp | DoctorBTC, I still suspect it will show something there that will be the clue as to why the black box of the update notifier app is showing something. |
| 23:48.12 | rwp | DoctorBTC, But know that those black box update gui apps are black boxes. Hard to see inside them. I don't like them myself for just such reasons. |
| 23:48.23 | DoctorBTC | should i 'apt-get upgrade > output.txt' to make that? or just copy paste from terminal |
| 23:48.43 | rwp | Copy and paste from the terminal is perfect. |
| 23:49.01 | DoctorBTC | i planned on ignoring until now.... downtime at work |
| 23:49.46 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Go to http://paste.debian.net/ and then paste in your output there. The default is to expire the posting in 24h which is perfect for IRC chat. Then post the URL here so we can review the output. |
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| 23:52.03 | DoctorBTC_ppc | here we go: http://paste.debian.net/48120/ |
| 23:52.11 | kelpie | rwp: dhclient.conf, had to remove ntc-servers from request option |
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| 23:52.34 | metasansana | Is there a way to listen for syslog events? |
| 23:53.02 | kelpie | don't know what it does though, but if it was something important then ntp will bite me back |
| 23:53.03 | Vasistha | metasansana: you could tail -f /var/log/syslog ... |
| 23:53.33 | rwp | kelpie, Interesting. I think that means your dhcp server is providing that information and triggering the ntp action. Whereas my dhcp server has never had ntp servers configured and therefore does not provide that information and therefore I am not seeing that action. |
| 23:53.46 | metasansana | kelpie, sorry I mean like from an application |
| 23:54.08 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, Ah... openjdk-6-jre has been kept back. That is almost certainly accounting for the difference. |
| 23:54.20 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, What is the output of 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 23:54.26 | metasansana | I want to write a script to monitor and react o certain events. |
| 23:54.58 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, And of 'dpkg -l | grep openjdk-6' too please. |
| 23:55.04 | Vasistha | metasansana: if you know what those events are, that may make a difference - there may be other means to respond to those particular events |
| 23:55.40 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, On my Squeeze system I see these three packages installed. openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib all at version 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb6u1 from Squeeze. |
| 23:55.46 | DoctorBTC | that first command is triggering some updates... |
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| 23:56.04 | jetscreamer | that's what it does |
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| 23:56.53 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Yes. "upgrade" requires only upgrades of packages. None can be installed. None can be removed. Perfect for Stable systems. |
| 23:57.18 | rwp | DoctorBTC, But sometimes security upgrades will appear that require additions or deletions. That is the way of things. But only sometimes. |
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| 23:57.47 | lumiukko | does liferea 1.10 still have all the bugs that make it unusable? just noticed it got added to sid so... |
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| 23:58.19 | rwp | DoctorBTC, In those cases "dist-upgrade" is required. It allows both additions and deletions. But you should inspect the solution provided, especially any REMOVEs, and use your judgement. If it looks reasonable then take the upgrade. If not then must own the problem and understand why it is unreasonable and fix it. |
| 23:58.24 | evanton | what are the chances that an RFP bug will be handled quick? i have seen years old package requests in that list and it almost made me cry |
| 23:59.56 | rwp | It completely depends upon the package being RFP'd. If you RFP something very popular then it will likely happen quickly. If you RFP something obscure and unknown then it will sit there for years. |