| 00:00.35 | rwp | Or if it is scary impossible can of worms package it will get passed around like a hot potato and not get packaged. I have started on some and dropped them because they were just too messy. |
| 00:00.47 | evanton | rwp: i imagine something very popular would be already in the repository. my only hope is that the thing is tied to another package that is reasonably popular |
| 00:01.09 | rwp | evanton, If it is a package you care about then the best thing is to work on packaging it yourself. Then the odds are 100% that someone (you!) will do it. :-) |
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| 00:03.03 | evanton | rwp: filling an RFP bug is my ultimate act of despair after failing to build a package myself, troubling multiple people with my stupid questions during the process. so after a good few weeks of research i am tired, frustrated, but at least pretty confident that i lack knowledge to do it myself |
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| 00:03.29 | Watcher7 | sdfg |
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| 00:03.45 | rwp | evanton, (chuckle!) I feel your pain. I have been there myself. |
| 00:03.45 | evanton | i just don't have a few years to get myself comfortable with building packages on debian, especially things that use exotic build tools |
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| 00:04.12 | rwp | What is the RFP bug number? Not that I will be any better but I am curious now. |
| 00:04.31 | evanton | rwp: i have filled an RFP for chromedriver |
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| 00:04.48 | evanton | theoretically, it shouldn't be too hard for the maintainers of chrome to handle that |
| 00:05.09 | evanton | assuming they pay attention to it |
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| 00:05.24 | evanton | s/chrome/chromium/ |
| 00:05.27 | DoctorBTC_ppc | rwp, here's the dist-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/48123/ |
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| 00:05.45 | jetscreamer | is that still the 64bit chrome thing from yesterday? |
| 00:06.06 | evanton | probably not |
| 00:06.23 | rwp | evanton, This one? http://bugs.debian.org/725130 |
| 00:06.32 | jetscreamer | can't compile or something.. just curious. another guy was on yesterday about that |
| 00:06.33 | evanton | i've been here crying too, but i think it was earlier and about the 32bit one |
| 00:06.48 | jetscreamer | think it was you. |
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| 00:07.06 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, DoctorBTC, Looks perfect to me! Good upgrade. It pulled in one jpeg library (which I have had to do here too). Looks good! |
| 00:07.29 | evanton | rwp: yes this is it |
| 00:08.18 | levlaz | Does anyone use Awesome wm and Getting Things Gnome? -- I know its a weird combination. But.. I cannot figure out how to close an active task - it is usually a menu option, but in awesome there is no menu so the only choice I have is to complete the task or delete it. |
| 00:08.36 | evanton | jetscreamer: it could be, i'm really dizzy the last few days trying to do something about this |
| 00:09.11 | DoctorBTC_ppc | oh,.... the '!' is gone now |
| 00:09.12 | jetscreamer | just curious, small world and all that |
| 00:09.19 | DoctorBTC_ppc | i think that fixed it |
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| 00:09.38 | rwp | evanton, I can imagine that chromedriver would be a very messy package because it is trying to link with all possible web browsers. Although "link with" is imprecise here. Enough to say that it looks very complicated. |
| 00:09.40 | DoctorBTC_ppc | rwp, can i tip you in bitcoin? |
| 00:09.57 | evanton | rwp: no, afaik it's chromium specific |
| 00:10.13 | evanton | it is very specific to this particular browser |
| 00:10.29 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, Unnecessary. Thanks anyway. Glad to be of help to you. If you want you can help someone else in the future. Pay it forward. See one, do one, teach one. |
| 00:10.29 | evanton | it even lives in the source code tree of chromium |
| 00:11.11 | DoctorBTC_ppc | thx rwp. you can only learn this stuff by doing. I appreciate your time! |
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| 00:11.36 | rwp | evanton, Hmm... Sorry I may have misread the project description. |
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| 00:12.10 | holycow | hey guys |
| 00:12.11 | evanton | jetscreamer: the official linux binaries of chromedriver are broken (as in they don't work in debian). i don't know if anyone else is getting white hair trying to sort this out but i know for a fact that i'm not the only one filling bugs |
| 00:12.12 | rwp | DoctorBTC_ppc, Good deal! Glad to see you are set up and in good shape now. It was the dist-upgrade that was needed to pull in the jpeg lib dependency. |
| 00:12.14 | holycow | general question |
| 00:12.26 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 00:12.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:12.29 | holycow | i need to track down which process on a debian box is using up all resources |
| 00:12.44 | jetscreamer | top? |
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| 00:12.53 | DoctorBTC | linux is like magic... gotta learn the tricks by going behind the curtain |
| 00:12.54 | holycow | the process only does this intermittently and i cannot catch the process slowing the box down for about 30 seconds to a minute |
| 00:12.55 | rwp | levlaz, I use awesome wm. But not Getting Things Gnome. |
| 00:12.58 | evanton | holycow: what kind of resources? CPU/RAM? |
| 00:13.09 | holycow | cpu mostly, ram would be good |
| 00:13.19 | evanton | holycow: i'd suggest to look into atop |
| 00:13.22 | holycow | just wondering about different techniques and procedures you guys would take for this |
| 00:13.37 | rwp | DoctorBTC, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." :-) Seriously it isn't magic. Just unseen machinery behind the curtain. |
| 00:13.41 | evanton | afaik it can collect stats so you can replay them later and spot the hog |
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| 00:13.58 | holycow | aha! |
| 00:14.50 | holycow | reading thank you |
| 00:15.10 | rwp | levlaz, I think you left too soon. If you are asking how to close a window it is usually Mod4-C to close the selected window. |
| 00:16.02 | holycow | holycanoly, atop is really geat |
| 00:16.04 | holycow | great even |
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| 00:17.21 | DoctorBTC | rwp, as long as i have your attention... what is the trick to make it boot to gui login? |
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| 00:17.34 | holycow | so the lesson today is that my questions need to be shorter because you guys have all the answers? |
| 00:17.38 | holycow | awesome. thx. |
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| 00:18.06 | BlackoutIsHere | LOL GLOBAL |
| 00:18.09 | rwp | DoctorBTC, The gui login manager is really an X Display Manger, previously 'xdm' but now gdm kdm lightdm and so forth. |
| 00:18.28 | jetscreamer | and xdm if you want |
| 00:18.54 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Installing any of those graphical login managers (aka X display managers) will automatically install the needed files to have it start at boot time. |
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| 00:20.02 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Or were you asking how to have an automated login "kiosk mode" like? |
| 00:20.37 | thensting | when I do apt-get install blahblahblah I get a huge list of packages that will be uninstalled if i do apt-get autoremove, how do I remove packages from that list (some are essential things like gnome-shell, which I am using) |
| 00:20.48 | rwp | DoctorBTC, I personally am old school and so I like logging in on the console and starting X manually with 'xinit' (since I have my own start files) or 'startx' which uses the system's X start files. |
| 00:20.57 | evanton | holycow: another option (or addition) could probably be collectd |
| 00:21.00 | DoctorBTC | http://paste.debian.net/48142/ |
| 00:21.22 | DoctorBTC | i like the console, but my keyboard arrows are busted and it makes using a mouse essential |
| 00:21.24 | evanton | i don't remember if it does per process stats, you'll have to look it up in the docs and in the list of its plugins |
| 00:21.38 | DoctorBTC | that paste is my current inittab |
| 00:21.51 | jetscreamer | are the numlock arrows also not working? |
| 00:21.56 | jetscreamer | tnumpad |
| 00:21.59 | DoctorBTC | i had commented out the attempt to get it to boot to gui? but maybe i did it wrong? |
| 00:22.13 | evanton | but it can do global stats so you could use collectd to see when exactly the resource usage spiked, then select that timeframe and get the atop log for that period to see per process stats |
| 00:22.22 | jetscreamer | !rc.local |
| 00:22.22 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 00:22.23 | DoctorBTC | i think the physical keys are busted... |
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| 00:23.03 | DoctorBTC | this is an ibook g4, no numpad just arrow keys |
| 00:23.05 | rwp | holycow, Also check out 'htop'. I like the bar graph dislay of ram usage best. |
| 00:23.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:23.36 | evanton | htop is interactive |
| 00:24.04 | evanton | if he doesn't know when exactly the resource usage goes up, he may need to prepare himself to stare at htop for hours |
| 00:24.37 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Bash defaults to emacs mode so Up is Control-p (prev), Down is Control-n (next), Right is C-f (forward), Left is C-b (backward). |
| 00:24.48 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Bash can also be set into vi-mode for hjkl use too. |
| 00:25.02 | rwp | DoctorBTC, That paste shows inittab. But in Debian inittab is not used for starting an xdm. |
| 00:25.28 | rwp | DoctorBTC, In Debian all run levels are the same and packages install /etc/init.d/foo to start services at boot time. |
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| 00:26.28 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Lines 71 and 72? Right. Those lines are not needed. |
| 00:27.24 | thensting | Why am I getting such a massive list of suggestions for apt-get autoremove? http://pastebin.com/dCkEzqP1 |
| 00:27.32 | rwp | DoctorBTC, If you are using 'gdm' then gdm installed /etc/init.d/gdm which will start the manager at boot time. |
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| 00:27.53 | DoctorBTC | i added 72... |
| 00:28.27 | rwp | That line is unneeded. |
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| 00:28.53 | DoctorBTC | and line 5/6 |
| 00:28.56 | DoctorBTC | ? |
| 00:29.22 | rwp | You have gdm installed? What does 'dpkg -l gdm' say? A machine here says: http://paste.debian.net/48149/ |
| 00:29.54 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Regarding line 6. That is very Red Hat. But not Debian. |
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| 00:30.42 | DoctorBTC | rwp: it says un gdm <none> |
| 00:31.12 | rwp | DoctorBTC, The philosophical difference between RH and Debian here is very long for IRC. But as short as I can in RH they didn't have yum back in the day. But Debian did have apt. And the discussion would flow from there. |
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| 00:31.35 | rwp | If gdm is not installed then that is the root cause that you cannot start it. |
| 00:32.03 | rwp | Nothing you can put in /etc/inittab will do any good until it is installed. And once installed it should start automatically. |
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| 00:32.24 | DoctorBTC | rwp: oh. so i need to install gdm? not installed by default with gnome? |
| 00:32.46 | torun | anyone know what would cause all my ssh keys to disappear? |
| 00:32.47 | rwp | You might have gdm3 installed? |
| 00:33.08 | rwp | torun, Disappear from your $HOME/.ssh/ directory? |
| 00:33.19 | torun | Sorry, ssh HOST keys |
| 00:33.35 | rwp | DoctorBTC, What does 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' say? It should be one filename. |
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| 00:34.02 | rwp | torun, From /etc/ssh/ssh_host* ? Nothing will cause that to happen. |
| 00:34.24 | torun | rwp: Yes. Something *did* cause that to happen, but I cannot figure out what. |
| 00:34.26 | rwp | torun, Accident from admin fingers. Cracked server. File system corruption. Other abnormal case. |
| 00:34.34 | DoctorBTC | rwp: gdm3 ! |
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| 00:34.57 | rwp | DoctorBTC, gdm3 is installed? And what does /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 00:35.09 | torun | rwp: 1) I would not do that, but I am checking history files. 2) only logins as root are colo people setting up server originally, and my 2 admin IPs 3) maybe, but smart and fs both look OK |
| 00:35.20 | DoctorBTC | rwp: that is what cat says |
| 00:35.37 | DoctorBTC | rwp: /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
| 00:35.47 | rwp | DoctorBTC, I don't have a machine with gdm3 installed to check. But there should be a /etc/init.d/gdm3 then. I think. |
| 00:35.51 | torun | I have regenerated my keys, but I don't want to let this go without knowing wtf happend :/ |
| 00:36.42 | DoctorBTC | rwp: yes, it is there... |
| 00:36.48 | rwp | torun, Reasonable reaction. But there isn't anything standard that will cause those files to be removed. Those files are never removed. Except upon package purge of openssh-server. |
| 00:37.08 | rwp | torun, 'apt-get purge openssh-server' will remove those files. |
| 00:37.15 | torun | ii openssh-server |
| 00:37.23 | rwp | torun, But I don't consider removing openssh-server to be a reasonable action. :-) |
| 00:37.59 | torun | yea |
| 00:38.06 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Run this command. It should find the symlinks for the start of gdm3. find /etc/rc?.d -name '*gdm*' |
| 00:38.15 | torun | there is a user1 here I don't know about .. I imagine colo people might have made that as part of install |
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| 00:38.45 | rwp | DoctorBTC, It should have several 'S0*gdm3' files listed in /etc/rc2.d/S0something. |
| 00:38.54 | thensting | http://pastebin.com/dCkEzqP1 why is my autoremove list so large? |
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| 00:38.58 | rwp | DoctorBTC, That is how gdm and gdm3 will start at boot time. |
| 00:39.02 | DoctorBTC | rwp: that didn't find anything |
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| 00:39.48 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Oh! Then that is why it isn't starting at boot time. |
| 00:40.13 | rwp | thensting, that is a lot of packages |
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| 00:40.58 | codygman | Why does it take my browser/emacs a long time to "thaw" after hibernating? Is there anything I can do to improve this? |
| 00:40.59 | thensting | rwp, yes.. it is... what reason would there be for that, I just upgraded from wheezy to jessie |
| 00:41.10 | codygman | Why does it take my browser/emacs a long time to "thaw" after |
| 00:41.12 | codygman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.22 | codygman | (sorry if that was a duplicate, reconnected and was unsure if it posted) |
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| 00:42.01 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Try creating them with (this is what gdm does, may be slightly different for gdm3 but probably close enough): update-rc.d gdm3 defaults 30 01 |
| 00:42.38 | rwp | thensting, dpkg keeps a record of what is "automatically" installed and what is "manually" installed. |
| 00:43.04 | thensting | rwp, would it be possible to clear this autoremove list, or regenerate it? |
| 00:43.05 | rwp | thensting, autoremove packages are in the autoremove list if they were automatically installed as a dependency and then the thing that pulled them in is removed. |
| 00:43.16 | DoctorBTC | rwp: done... rebooting now to see if that did it |
| 00:43.34 | rwp | thensting, Which normally works perfectly. You install foo. It requires foo-dependency1. You remove foo. Then foo-dependency1 is a candidate for removal. |
| 00:43.43 | thensting | rwp, makes sense to me |
| 00:43.51 | rwp | thensting, done? What was done? |
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| 00:44.23 | thensting | rwp, upgraded from wheezy to jessie by changing out /etc/apt/sources.list's repos |
| 00:44.39 | rwp | thensting, But if the package is "gnome" it pulls in a zillion things. Such as everying in the known universe. Then if for some reason you remove the gnome metapackage say to remove networkmanager then suddenly most of the installed packages become candidates. |
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| 00:45.04 | rwp | thensting, But if you are using libreoffice you probably don't want it removed. Even though you could put it back easily. |
| 00:45.42 | rwp | thensting, If you 'apt-get install foo' then if foo was previously marked as automatically installed it will be flipped over to manually installed. It won't be a candidate anymore. |
| 00:46.04 | rwp | thensting, Also any dependency of foo will now be in the needed list and won't be orhans and won't be a candidate anymore. |
| 00:46.06 | thensting | rwp, so would apt-get install (copypaste list) fix the probem effectively? |
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| 00:46.25 | rwp | thensting, Newly added in Wheezy is apt-mark program. It can be used to manipulate the marking directly. See 'man apt-mark' for details. |
| 00:46.26 | thensting | rwp, i'll comb through it to make sure nothing i actually dont need is there |
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| 00:47.05 | thensting | rwp, apt-mark manual PACKAGENAME |
| 00:47.23 | rwp | thensting, Yes, apt-get install (copypaste list) would. But would also mark all of the libs as manually installed too. For a perfectly clean system that isn't perfectly nice. |
| 00:48.14 | thensting | rwp, if i do apt-mark manual PACKAGE but don't do the lib*s that'd be fairly clean, correct? |
| 00:48.16 | rwp | thensting, Look for the big top level packages. Packages like "libreoffice" (emacs|vim) perl, python, ruby, etc. |
| 00:48.34 | rwp | thensting, yes. Hit the top level packages. The dependencies will take care of themselves. |
| 00:48.46 | thensting | rwp, alright, thanks |
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| 00:49.01 | rwp | thensting, Then if the top level depends upon say libjpegX.Y and moves to libjpegX.Z then all of the automated dependency tracking will work nicely. |
| 00:49.13 | rwp | thensting, Then if the top level depends upon say libjpegX.Y and moves to libjpegX.Z then all of the automated dependency tracking will work nicely. |
| 00:49.28 | rwp | thensting, oops. Usually just a few turns looking for top level things will reduce the list very quickly. |
| 00:49.48 | rwp | thensting, You can also look at the reverse dependencies to see why some lib is being used. "apt-cache rdepends libfoo" |
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| 00:51.00 | rwp | thensting, Are you still using gnome in jessie? |
| 00:51.07 | thensting | just doing libreoffice and gnome-* cut the lift in half, and yes I am |
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| 00:51.41 | rwp | Then you probably want to mark gnome-core and that will be a huge cone of dependency by itself. |
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| 00:52.10 | rwp | But if you ever get rid of gnome you would then have all of those dependencies orphaned. So perhaps marking gnuchess and inkscape and others now as manual is reasonable. |
| 00:52.56 | rwp | An old tool that has mostly been replaced by 'apt-get autoremove' is 'deborphan'. It looks for orphan packages like those. |
| 00:53.17 | rwp | I use it like this: 1. deborphan 2. inspect, looks good 3. dpkg --purge $(deborphan) |
| 00:53.46 | rwp | It is important to inspect. But that is another way to do the autoremove like operation to clean the system of obsolete lint that isn't used anymore. |
| 00:54.03 | rwp | After you get through cleaning everything then run: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 00:54.16 | rwp | Look at that list. Those are packages that were installed, then removed, but have config files left behind in /etc. |
| 00:54.37 | rwp | That is fine. But upon the next upgrade often those /etc/init.d/* files and other "obsolete conffiles" cause problems. |
| 00:54.44 | rwp | Such as not having LSB headers in the last upgrade. |
| 00:55.13 | rwp | So I think it is good to inspect that list of dpkg -l | grep ^rc packages and 'dpkg --purge foo' for any package that you are not using anymore. |
| 00:55.32 | rwp | But warning, the --purge, will remove conffiles! That is the point of it. |
| 00:55.50 | rwp | If you have edited a local copy of a conf file associated with the package you are purging then your local edit will be removed. |
| 00:56.00 | thensting | hmmm, alright. I think I got all of that |
| 00:56.23 | rwp | So before doing that I recommend making a safety backup of /etc. It is usually small. Then if you find you removed something you wanted you have the backup. But still getting the system cleaned up for the next upgrade. |
| 00:56.50 | rwp | My /etc is 19M in total for example. So very easy to backup. Backups save you! :-) |
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| 00:57.05 | thensting | fair enough :P I'll do exactly that, thanks rwp |
| 00:57.35 | rwp | Then I hate to suggest this but since I am running Sid and upgrade _every day_ the list in my autoremove is always small. Small makes it easy. |
| 00:58.04 | rwp | So I 'apt-get autoremove --purge' and then the autoremove does the purge all in one step and they don't become "dpkg -l | grep ^rc" packages and are gone from the start. |
| 00:58.18 | thensting | yea, i'd like a small list, not one that takes up multiple screens :P |
| 00:58.19 | rwp | But just remember that --purge does remove /etc conffiles. |
| 00:58.32 | rwp | Yes, multiple screens is definitely too much! |
| 00:58.36 | rwp | Good! Glad to have helped. |
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| 00:59.05 | rwp | is late. Time to run off. See ya! |
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| 01:00.26 | DoctorBTC | rwp: thx |
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| 01:02.30 | rwp | DoctorBTC, real quick, did that update-rc command create the links and after your reboot did gdm3 start automatically? |
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| 01:05.02 | rwp | DoctorBTC, Hoping it did. If you mention me I will see it later. Catch you later. |
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| 01:18.59 | buu | Super simple question, what is the best way aside from free to tell how much ram is installed in a system? |
| 01:19.23 | Vasistha | buu: well there is dmidecode |
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| 01:20.11 | buu | Interesting |
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| 01:22.11 | gnarface | buu: i assume you meant "without rebooting" because the *only* canonical way to actually determine how much ram most consumer-grade hardware has is to reboot and examine what the bios configuration and/or POST screen says |
| 01:22.19 | buu | Vasistha: Doesn't give me the details I need =[. I'm mostly just trying to figure out why free thinks I have 14gb of ram |
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| 01:22.41 | gnarface | buu: i assure you, dmidecode HAS the information you need but it eh... probably isn't quite in the form you're looking for |
| 01:22.49 | Vasistha | buu: really? dmidecode gives a lot of information |
| 01:23.07 | gnarface | buu: and i've heard its sometimes subject to inaccuracies with badly behaved bioses |
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| 01:23.41 | buu | Oh |
| 01:23.47 | buu | I didn't read far enough |
| 01:23.52 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.08 | buu | So dmidecode says I have 4x4gb chips installed, but free -h says 14gb |
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| 01:28.05 | gnarface | buu: is it possible that you have one of those video cards (usually onboard, but not always) that soak up system ram to offset the fact they have like 2MB onboard? |
| 01:28.30 | gnarface | buu: video ram would be excluded from free |
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| 01:29.04 | buu | Well I would have said that was pretty unlikely since its a pretty standard desktop mobo/cpu combo.. |
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| 01:29.40 | buu | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
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| 01:30.53 | buu | Its just a regular i5-3570K |
| 01:30.55 | gnarface | buu: intel onboard graphics? they freaking INVENTED stealing system ram to hide that their video cards are weak sauce |
| 01:31.03 | buu | heh |
| 01:31.11 | buu | fair enough, is the only way to check that to ask the bios? |
| 01:31.40 | gnarface | buu: unless you can glean the same information from dmidecode, yes |
| 01:31.56 | rryoumaa | thought that system ram was there first |
| 01:32.00 | gnarface | buu: and if its not a Dell there is a good chance you can tell it to steal less |
| 01:32.15 | buu | Hrm |
| 01:32.46 | gnarface | 2GB seems like real overkill as a default for a server board honestly |
| 01:32.49 | gnarface | but what do i know |
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| 01:33.16 | gnarface | and i don't see xeons in desktop boards much anymore |
| 01:33.34 | buu | Its not a xeon, its an i5 |
| 01:33.39 | gnarface | oh |
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| 01:34.03 | gnarface | well, if my hypothesis is correct it should be easy to verify by comparing the bios config settings to the motherboard manual |
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| 01:34.06 | buu | And yeah it does seem like overkill but I'll put it on my todo list next the system gets rebooted |
| 01:34.09 | buu | yeah |
| 01:34.22 | buu | Its definitely worth checking, would have been nice to verify without bios though |
| 01:34.41 | gnarface | it would be nice |
| 01:34.46 | gnarface | if you figure out a trick for that let me know |
| 01:35.01 | gnarface | you don't have an ipmi backplane on that machine right? |
| 01:35.12 | gnarface | (it would be highly unlikely for a desktop machine) |
| 01:35.51 | gnarface | in theory i think maybe you could do some of that stuff through ipmi if the hardware is capable but i'm vague on the certainty of that |
| 01:36.06 | gnarface | and its almost unheard of for desktop equipment anyway |
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| 01:38.28 | regns | is it possible to make a package as installed without installing it (specifically iceweasel which is giving me dependency errors because I installed firefox direcrly from mozilla's sourceforge repo |
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| 01:40.39 | gnarface | regns: if you didn't install it as a package and just went "make install" and sprayed it all over your harddrive with no tracking mechanism, then no, you're S.O.L. |
| 01:40.53 | gnarface | regns: however, next time, i recommend you use checkinstall |
| 01:41.10 | gnarface | regns: (it creates a package on the fly by watching make install as it happens) |
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| 01:41.17 | gnarface | dpkg, tell regns about checkinstall |
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| 01:41.55 | regns | no, I installed it from a repo, (i can do apt-get install/remove firefox). But i installed another package (gnome-core) that depended on iceweasel and now my apt is spewing build errors after i uninstalled firefox and tried to install iceweasel |
| 01:41.59 | regns | gnarface, ^ |
| 01:42.52 | gnarface | regns: well you're not gonna find an easy way out of that mess i don't think |
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| 01:43.40 | gnarface | regns: its worth noting that you're pounding your head against a wall in what is almost certain to be utter futility though; iceweasel *is* actually firefox just rebranded due to some dick-measuring contest between mozilla.org and debian |
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| 01:44.15 | regns | I know it's firefox, but it seems some plugins refuse to work in it |
| 01:44.20 | gnarface | regns: (firefox is open source but the stupid logo *isn't*) |
| 01:44.27 | gnarface | regns: so your plugins are broken |
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| 01:44.43 | gnarface | regns: start with listing them |
| 01:44.55 | gnarface | regns: (just the broken ones) |
| 01:44.56 | regns | well i don't have a browser installed at all right now :P |
| 01:45.02 | gnarface | rolls eyes |
| 01:45.08 | regns | webdev toolbar was one taht gave me hell for some reaseon |
| 01:45.23 | gnarface | regns: probably because its already in iceweasel |
| 01:45.34 | regns | :P hmm well |
| 01:45.38 | regns | dpkg is giving me dpkg-divert: error: `diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by iceweasel' clashes with `diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu by firefox-mozilla-build' |
| 01:45.38 | dpkg | regns: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 01:46.03 | regns | but none of those files exist in /usr/bin anymore |
| 01:46.09 | gnarface | regns: dpkg in this channel is just a bot. ignore it and dont' start lines with "dpkg" or it will think you're asking for documentation |
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| 01:46.33 | regns | gnarface, got it |
| 01:47.44 | regns | any suggestions to fix that error? or am i SOL |
| 01:48.13 | gnarface | regns: dump firefox out the airlock, reinstall icweasel, be happy |
| 01:48.29 | regns | firefox is already removed and i still get that error though |
| 01:48.52 | cusco | waht is the error itself? |
| 01:48.52 | gnarface | you probably forgot to --purge |
| 01:49.43 | regns | cusco, dpkg-divert: error: `diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by iceweasel' clashes with `diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu by firefox-mozilla-build' |
| 01:49.54 | regns | and gnarface i did --purge |
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| 01:50.26 | cusco | dpkg -l|grep firefox |
| 01:50.26 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, cusco |
| 01:50.31 | cusco | still shows anything? |
| 01:50.47 | regns | cusco, yes, ii firefox-mozilla-build 24.0-0ubuntu1 amd64 Mozilla Firefox, official Mozilla build, packaged for Ubuntu by the Ubuntuzilla project. |
| 01:50.55 | cusco | remove it |
| 01:51.05 | regns | how? |
| 01:51.13 | cusco | and purge it .. like dpkg -P firefox-mozilla-build |
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| 01:51.45 | regns | aaaaaaaaand iceweasel installs |
| 01:51.50 | cusco | then apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel |
| 01:51.52 | cusco | or that ... |
| 01:51.54 | regns | thank you cusco and gnarface |
| 01:52.43 | cusco | np |
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| 01:55.52 | regns | one more stupid question, where does apt-get install anarchism download the pdf to? |
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| 01:57.17 | Hamfist | will someone help me confirm a bug ? |
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| 01:57.26 | Hamfist | it's very easy to perform from cmd line |
| 01:57.39 | Hamfist | someone with debian wheezy and bash and svn installed |
| 01:57.51 | chicognu | what are my options to do a full disk encryptation ? including /boot |
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| 01:58.12 | Hamfist | dont encrypt boot |
| 01:58.14 | Hamfist | no reason to |
| 01:58.28 | Hamfist | there is nothing personal on /boot |
| 01:58.38 | chicognu | i like all encryoted |
| 01:58.53 | Hamfist | who cares about liking something |
| 01:58.59 | Hamfist | this is science not my pretty pony |
| 01:59.22 | katana- | lol |
| 01:59.23 | Hamfist | anyway anybody got wheezy installed with svn and sudo? |
| 01:59.24 | gnarface | regns: i'm not familiar with anarchism but if you're talking about the native pdf viewer now included in firefox, yes, iceweasel on sid at least has that.... not sure about wheezy |
| 01:59.43 | chicognu | the kernel is stored in /boot, don't ? Hamfist |
| 01:59.44 | Hamfist | ugh the native pdf viewer is horrible...disable it asap |
| 01:59.44 | gnarface | regns: you may need to look into iceweasel backports |
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| 01:59.53 | Hamfist | yeah the kernel is on /boot |
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| 02:00.06 | Hamfist | you storing highly sensitive data in the kernel? |
| 02:00.07 | gnarface | Hamfist: i agree with you i still use xpdf the native viewer is slower than frozen dog shit |
| 02:00.24 | Hamfist | to be fair I love frozen dog shit cause it's easy to pick up |
| 02:00.34 | Hamfist | also it smells a lot less |
| 02:00.47 | gnarface | Hamfist: my point is merely that it doesn't move very fast |
| 02:00.53 | chicognu | Hamfist, maby some one with local access to machine can swap the kernel and put a kernel with some backdoor |
| 02:00.57 | Hamfist | you know I've never seen dog shit move at all |
| 02:01.08 | Hamfist | chicognu, if they have local access, it's moot point |
| 02:01.30 | katana- | Hamfist, maybe he's worried aobut someone editing the kernel |
| 02:01.33 | gnarface | Hamfist: the sidewalk outside of the building i'm in currently suggests dog shit is highly mobile |
| 02:01.35 | Hamfist | there's being paranoid and cautious...and then there's believing in witchcraft |
| 02:02.04 | Hamfist | seriously though , none of you guys can fire up a terminal on wheezy and help me test something? |
| 02:02.06 | gnarface | Hamfist: (mostly from being stepped i) |
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| 02:02.22 | Hamfist | there is a weird bash completion bug |
| 02:02.23 | gnarface | Hamfist: i've got a dozen open right now, but it depends on what you want tested... |
| 02:02.23 | chicognu | Hamfist, i don't think so. if mu hole disk is encrypted, and i have a boot loader into a usb pendrive i don't think anyone can compromise my system |
| 02:02.31 | Hamfist | if you type sudo svn up and then tab |
| 02:02.41 | Hamfist | it spits back weird error |
| 02:02.55 | gnarface | ugh |
| 02:02.55 | Hamfist | compopt: usage: compopt [-o|+o option] [-DE] [name ...] |
| 02:02.55 | Hamfist | -bash: compopt: -o: option requires an argument-bash: compopt: -o: option requires an argument |
| 02:03.01 | Hamfist | did you get it? |
| 02:03.11 | gnarface | Hamfist: none of my svn repos are accessed by root |
| 02:03.16 | gnarface | Hamfist: that may be half your problem. |
| 02:03.22 | Hamfist | that has nothing to do with this |
| 02:03.26 | Hamfist | you dont even have to be in an svn repo |
| 02:03.32 | Hamfist | from anywhere just type sudo svn up and start tabbing |
| 02:03.35 | gnarface | Hamfist: try putting svn up in quotes like this: sudo "svn up" |
| 02:03.55 | Hamfist | I'm not looking for a workaround, I'm verifying a bug |
| 02:04.06 | Hamfist | if you type svn up and tab it will change hte up to update |
| 02:04.09 | gnarface | Hamfist: my hypothesis is that its not a bug its user error |
| 02:04.12 | Hamfist | if you type sudo svn up it will spit back garbage |
| 02:04.26 | Hamfist | it's not user error and wasn't an issue in wheezy |
| 02:04.38 | Hamfist | furthermore if you type something like sudo openssl ciphers and tab it does not spit back garbage at you |
| 02:05.00 | gnarface | Hamfist: well, there are two potential user errors i'm considering. to test one you'd have to just try what i said, instead of argue as though you know what would happen without testing |
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| 02:05.24 | gnarface | Hamfist: for the second one, the hypothesis is a bit more complex because its based on you having hosed your svn repo's permissions tree |
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| 02:05.49 | gnarface | Hamfist: (keep in mind i'm recommending against doing ANYTHING with svn userspace tools as root when its not strictly necessary) |
| 02:05.58 | Hamfist | gnarface, 1) if you put that arg in quotes, you won't get tab completion at all so it doesn't even test tab completion |
| 02:06.07 | Hamfist | 2) it has absolutely nothing to do wtih svn repo perms |
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| 02:06.27 | Hamfist | this is NOTHING TO DO WITH SVN other than svn sets this bash completion error |
| 02:06.31 | Hamfist | this is a bash completion bug |
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| 02:06.52 | gnarface | Hamfist: you sound so sure of yourself but you're bewildered by something i've seen before.... also you seem to think tab completion is part of the command... which its not. tab complete it then put THAT in quotes ... does it work then? |
| 02:07.33 | Hamfist | how do you tab complete somsething in quotes |
| 02:07.42 | Hamfist | type svn up and tab and it finds svn update |
| 02:07.46 | gnarface | Hamfist: you don't. you put the result of the tab completion in quotes |
| 02:07.54 | Hamfist | type sudo svn up and tab and it does not change to sudo svn update |
| 02:07.57 | Hamfist | it gets messed up |
| 02:08.18 | Hamfist | obviously sudo has something to do with the bash completion arg failure |
| 02:08.25 | Hamfist | because without sudo it doesn't fail |
| 02:08.28 | Hamfist | I could be root and it doesn't fail |
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| 02:10.33 | gnarface | Hamfist: yea, i see what you're talking about exactly but why would you have expected it to do anything else? tab completion isn't magic, at least not unless you're using a highly customized zsh. its very literal and has simple rules and i don't think what you're seeing is a bug, i can confirm it happens, and i'm telling you its user error and you can accomplish this with a workaround as i suggested or you can make this |
| 02:10.34 | gnarface | exactly as hard on yourself as you wish. yay linux |
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| 02:11.23 | Hamfist | uh it most certainly is a bug |
| 02:11.32 | gnarface | Hamfist: as usual, the whole conundrum you're having is with your assumption this should be addressed but nobody sane runs svn repos as root so... |
| 02:11.36 | Hamfist | if it can't complete it should just do nothing...maybe ding |
| 02:11.43 | deego | Hamfist: I see this buy too. It's a bug in bash-completion, right? |
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| 02:11.49 | deego | bug |
| 02:11.52 | Hamfist | obviously deego |
| 02:12.05 | Hamfist | gnarface, you're hung up on the idea that this is related to svn which it isn't |
| 02:12.08 | deego | usually bash-completion is pretty aware of sudo stuff. |
| 02:12.09 | gnarface | Hamfist: but it CAN complete, its completing it with the contents of your home directory (or whatever directory you were in) which are SYNTACTICALLY INCORRECT FOR SVN so... again. what exactly did you expect? |
| 02:12.12 | Hamfist | I think it's related to svn having subcommands |
| 02:12.15 | deego | like when you type sudo apt-get foo.. |
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| 02:12.32 | Hamfist | oh yeah apt-get I'll try that |
| 02:12.39 | gnarface | Hamfist: i'm sure svn has an irc channel you can debate usage policy in |
| 02:12.41 | dondelelcaro | deego: it basically just changes the path and rips off the sudo for the rest of the completion |
| 02:12.48 | Hamfist | nope it correctly figures out apt-get subcommands |
| 02:12.54 | Hamfist | just like it correctly figured out openssl subcmds |
| 02:12.56 | dondelelcaro | Hamfist: is this bash? or what? |
| 02:13.09 | Hamfist | yes bash |
| 02:13.19 | dondelelcaro | Hamfist: are you using the bash completion rules we distribute? or what? |
| 02:13.37 | Hamfist | oh this may be because I'm still using .bashrc from squeeze |
| 02:13.43 | Hamfist | all my users are |
| 02:13.51 | Hamfist | soemthing in stock .bashrc from squeeze may be the reason |
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| 02:13.56 | gnarface | Hamfist: no, i'm able to recreate it too |
| 02:14.11 | Hamfist | ok that's the first useful thing you've said all night |
| 02:14.23 | gnarface | Hamfist: well its the second time 'ive said it so pay btter attention |
| 02:14.55 | gnarface | Hamfist: this is the second time i'm also saying this: i can recreate your issue but it looks like expected behavior to me. you've been warned |
| 02:14.59 | Hamfist | the implication though that you have a freshy wheezy install and not a squeeze upgrade is new info |
| 02:15.33 | gnarface | Hamfist: where did i imply that? |
| 02:15.38 | Hamfist | spitting back a screen full of errors is hardly expected behavior |
| 02:15.46 | Hamfist | [21:13] <Hamfist> soemthing in stock .bashrc from squeeze may be the reason |
| 02:15.51 | Hamfist | [21:13] <gnarface> Hamfist: no, i'm able to recreate it too |
| 02:15.54 | dondelelcaro | this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684199 |
| 02:16.38 | gnarface | Hamfist: sorry i wasn't replying to his. i can recreate this issue on wheezy fresh installs as well as upgrades. nobody else is seeing it besides you because most people don't have developers that take the passwd prompt off sudo |
| 02:16.48 | Hamfist | dondelelcaro, sweet great find |
| 02:16.52 | gnarface | Hamfist: the missing password prompt from sudo is where your behavior differs from others |
| 02:17.10 | Hamfist | password comes after you hit enter of course |
| 02:17.13 | gnarface | Hamfist: (and no i wouldn't ever advise that you do that either, i'm not the only one in charge of some of these though...) |
| 02:17.16 | Hamfist | which we haven't even gotten to |
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| 02:17.29 | dondelelcaro | nah; sudo is irrelevant |
| 02:17.38 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 02:17.40 | dondelelcaro | time svn up <tab> would show the same problem |
| 02:17.41 | Hamfist | dondelelcaro, sudo is just one of the ways to trigger it |
| 02:17.51 | Hamfist | look at msg 30 |
| 02:17.56 | gnarface | Hamfist: ok touche here is something that IS relevant: its not doing this on squeeze |
| 02:18.02 | inittrap | Hi. I reboot my machine and now I get systemd's emergency mode. What should I check? I looked on Internet and tried few things and that got me nowhere. Suggestions? |
| 02:18.12 | Hamfist | I know it's not doing it on squeeze |
| 02:18.16 | Hamfist | we just started having this prob |
| 02:18.22 | Hamfist | after upgrades |
| 02:18.25 | gnarface | so the upgrade from squeeze isn't the problem thoug |
| 02:18.44 | Hamfist | yup |
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| 02:18.55 | Hamfist | also |
| 02:19.00 | Hamfist | it does seem specific to svn |
| 02:19.09 | Hamfist | so something in bash completion with svn rules is confused |
| 02:19.31 | gnarface | seems like just a change in behavior |
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| 02:20.14 | Hamfist | ok so when something precedes svn and then you type a character or two subcommand for svn tab complete spits errors |
| 02:20.17 | gnarface | hmm. but i'm not seeing this on any systems where the sudo password prompt is disabled.... |
| 02:20.18 | Hamfist | so it could be sudo it could be nice etc. |
| 02:20.27 | Hamfist | nice svn up (tab) also triggers it |
| 02:20.32 | Hamfist | so don't get too hung up on sudo |
| 02:20.41 | gnarface | Hamfist: er, i mean i'm not seeing this on any systems where the sudo password prompt is NOT disabled |
| 02:20.49 | Hamfist | not disabled here |
| 02:20.56 | Hamfist | stock sudo config |
| 02:21.14 | deego | Hamfist: have you reportbug'd this issue? |
| 02:21.15 | gnarface | pastebin it |
| 02:21.29 | gnarface | Hamfist: pastebin this stock sudo config |
| 02:21.33 | Hamfist | its reported...didn't you see dondelelcaro's link? |
| 02:21.41 | deego | ah |
| 02:22.04 | Hamfist | [21:15] <dondelelcaro> this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684199 |
| 02:22.33 | deego | nice |
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| 02:22.53 | Hamfist | ok as root this bug does not happen |
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| 02:23.15 | Hamfist | if I type nice svn up (tab) as root, I get no errors..no completion either but that's more acceptable |
| 02:23.26 | RayzrShrp | greetings |
| 02:23.38 | Hamfist | it still tab completes paths just not the up to update |
| 02:23.40 | deego | Exactly. If it can't complete, it should be graceful about it. |
| 02:23.54 | Hamfist | so why is it working correctly as root but not as unpriv'd user? |
| 02:24.04 | RayzrShrp | would exim4 or postfix be a better mta to start with for a newer debian user |
| 02:24.12 | Hamfist | I prefer postfix by far |
| 02:24.20 | Hamfist | but that is only cause I have no experience with exim |
| 02:24.33 | RayzrShrp | i've read that exim4 is the default debian mta |
| 02:24.36 | RayzrShrp | is that true? |
| 02:24.36 | Hamfist | it is |
| 02:24.39 | deego | and I prefer exim, but that's because I have no postfix experience. :) |
| 02:24.46 | Hamfist | I always purge it and install postfix |
| 02:24.50 | Hamfist | deego, do you like dovecot? |
| 02:24.56 | deego | Hamfist: never tried :( |
| 02:25.00 | Hamfist | oh |
| 02:25.00 | RayzrShrp | so does my wheezy install have exim preinstalled? |
| 02:25.12 | Hamfist | depends on what you chose to install |
| 02:25.18 | Hamfist | bare bones install wouldn't have it |
| 02:25.35 | Hamfist | but if you chose like common desktop you probably have it |
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| 02:31.36 | Hamfist | alright I added to the bug report my finding that it does not happen if you're root...it's a clue at least |
| 02:33.19 | Hamfist | hmm I dont see completion rules for svn under /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/ |
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| 02:37.30 | Hamfist | i made /etc/bash_completion.d/subversion non-readable and the error in bash completion is gone |
| 02:37.38 | Hamfist | so confirmed the issue is in that script somewhere |
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| 02:38.31 | deego | nice |
| 02:38.34 | gnarface | Hamfist: but the bug report dondelelcaro linked mentions it happening with other commands, so it could be a sudo completion rule error that only affects certain other rules perhaps? |
| 02:39.07 | gnarface | Hamfist: leastwise if its a problem in the subversion rules, its not ONLY a problem in them, its a uniform change that broke other ones too |
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| 02:39.32 | Hamfist | read Msg 10 |
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| 02:40.43 | Hamfist | I see no evidence that it's anything else but subversion bash completion script |
| 02:41.05 | Hamfist | every other cmd with subcmds works with something in front of it like nice or sudo |
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| 02:41.38 | Hamfist | this error that bash spits back is so incredibly unhelpful |
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| 02:47.09 | dondelelcaro | this is YA reason why lots of people don't use bash as their interactive shell. |
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| 02:47.51 | Hamfist | I like bash...this is just version update bugs |
| 02:47.57 | Hamfist | could have happened to any shell completion scheme |
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| 02:56.22 | Hamfist | thanks again dondelelcaro for finding that bug report. making the subversion bash complete rules non readable at least allows path completion to continue to work which is all we care about anyway, so it's a decent work around |
| 02:56.48 | Hamfist | auf wiedersehen |
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| 02:57.20 | RayzrShrp | so for a single user running a debian vps wouldpostfix or exim be better suited |
| 02:57.32 | RayzrShrp | ill be the only one really using the mail on the system |
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| 02:58.33 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: are you receiving mail? |
| 02:58.56 | RayzrShrp | dondelelcaro: not at the moment |
| 02:59.09 | RayzrShrp | dondelelcaro: but yes i want to be able to receive it |
| 02:59.12 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: are you planning on it? If the answer is no, consider using nullmailer or ssmtp or similar |
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| 02:59.30 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: then I'd personally consider postfix, unless you're planning on doing something really complicated |
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| 03:00.01 | RayzrShrp | dondelelcaro: nah just want to be able to have a mail account tied to my linux box and maybe be able to sort it and block spam and stuff |
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| 03:09.15 | RayzrShrp | so postfix is easy to configure? |
| 03:09.20 | RayzrShrp | easier then exim? |
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| 03:21.13 | nokocode | my sound suddenly stopped working yesterday, confirmed that my speakers themselves work (give feedback) tried rebooting alsa sound driver: no luck, looked on google, didn't find anything other than try editing alsa config, used that to set master to 100% but still no sound http://pastebin.com/ZLQ411Nc <- paste of lspci -v: it gives access denied for capabilites and user is in audio users list, not sure |
| 03:21.13 | nokocode | what to do :( |
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| 03:23.35 | zykotick9 | nokocode: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" have more than 1 (read it as 0) cards listed? is card0 the one you want to use? |
| 03:24.00 | nokocode | it gives me no soundcards |
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| 03:24.21 | zykotick9 | nokocode: that would be an issue ;) good luck. |
| 03:24.27 | nokocode | lol |
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| 03:26.31 | nokocode | the weird part is alsaconf isn't on my system, nor is it available via apt-get |
| 03:26.36 | nokocode | when logged in as root obviously |
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| 03:27.29 | zykotick9 | nokocode: i've never heard of alsaconf before. it's not on my wheezy, or available from apt-get here either... |
| 03:27.45 | nokocode | the wiki I believe is a tad outdated for the audio |
| 03:27.58 | nokocode | I looked a bit further and it doesn't exist as it was removed for "being useless" |
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| 03:28.10 | codepython777 | is there a debian 7.1 virtualbox ova file somewhere that is kept upto date? |
| 03:28.24 | rascul | alsaconf was a big thing a number of years ago |
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| 03:28.47 | rascul | <!> alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1. From the package changelog: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." |
| 03:28.48 | nokocode | should I just try reinstalling alsa or would that cause more trouble than it's worth? |
| 03:28.54 | rascul | https://wiki.debian.org/alsaconf |
| 03:29.20 | nokocode | yep, was on the wiki looking over the sound files. |
| 03:29.23 | rascul | i dunno much about making alsa work when it doesn't though |
| 03:29.33 | nokocode | it's just strange that it stopped working |
| 03:29.39 | rascul | usually in those cases i just use oss like i'm supposed to |
| 03:29.56 | zykotick9 | nokocode: does "lsmod | grep -i snd" list a bunch of stuff? |
| 03:29.57 | rascul | alsa is one huge conglomerate of hacks |
| 03:30.22 | rascul | or, at least it was a number of years ago when i cared about such things |
| 03:30.37 | nokocode | let me pastebin it |
| 03:30.47 | zykotick9 | nokocode: a yes/no is fine. |
| 03:31.00 | nokocode | yes |
| 03:31.23 | nokocode | bout 11 things |
| 03:32.00 | zykotick9 | nokocode: ok. that's good, so at least there is some sound support in your kernel/module setup right now (just checkin' if ALL sound was lost at the kernel level). BUT, i have no idea if the correct driver for your hardware is in that list... |
| 03:32.46 | nokocode | ah. |
| 03:33.49 | nokocode | hmm... maybe I should try switching to oss |
| 03:34.03 | Nanuq | I wouldn't. |
| 03:34.08 | zykotick9 | nokocode: oss is kinda... old at this point. |
| 03:34.38 | Nanuq | nokocode: You said it was working the other day. Anything change, hardware or software? |
| 03:34.49 | zykotick9 | nokocode: what changed? see /var/log/apt/history.log is unsure... |
| 03:35.48 | nokocode | short history is short, basically just my install of python-mysqldb today but that was after it stopped working |
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| 03:37.46 | Nanuq | nokocode: There should be something listed in /proc/asound/cards, but regardless, if you try to play something, does it look like it's playing, or does it gripe about no device being available? |
| 03:38.27 | zykotick9 | Nanuq: i'd think the lack of /proc/asound/cards means alsa isn't working at all right now... |
| 03:38.29 | nokocode | it looks like it's trying to play, lemme try cmus again |
| 03:38.55 | nokocode | nope, just goes on playing minus audio |
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| 03:39.15 | Nanuq | nokocode: What are you using? It's not just dumping it to null? |
| 03:39.28 | nokocode | for audioplayer? cmus |
| 03:39.35 | Nanuq | zykotick9: Yeah I'd think so too, but y'never know. |
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| 03:40.31 | Nanuq | Not familiar with that one. If you have mplayer around, try that. It should be clear as to its output device. |
| 03:40.46 | Nanuq | If it is actually playing, I'd look at the mixer settings a bit closer. |
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| 03:40.50 | nokocode | now I just looked into some ubuntu guide that mentioned to try through pulseaudio and it mentioned that the volume for the two devices are both 100 percent but it has 0.00 dB |
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| 03:40.58 | nokocode | starting to think it's the dB? |
| 03:41.21 | zykotick9 | Nanuq: i was sitting here thinking "i wish it was mplayer" |
| 03:41.42 | Nanuq | nokocode: No, that's right for 100% |
| 03:41.52 | nokocode | ok. |
| 03:41.59 | Nanuq | nokocode: it's referring to the gain. 100% is the max, with no gain. |
| 03:42.10 | zykotick9 | nokocode: try "alsamixer" is anything muted, "mm" at bottom i believe. |
| 03:42.23 | Nanuq | Sometimes the mixer settings are downright weird. |
| 03:42.46 | nokocode | nope, 100 percent |
| 03:43.19 | Nanuq | oh yeah, I forgot that sound daemons may be involved. hrm. |
| 03:43.28 | zykotick9 | nokocode: but alsamixer works!?! does it get the Card/Chip info correct? F6 lets you switch, if available. |
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| 03:43.51 | nokocode | has default. |
| 03:43.58 | nokocode | lemme try setting it to mine |
| 03:44.07 | Nanuq | nokocode: Yeah that's a point. What does it say for Chip: ? |
| 03:44.14 | Nanuq | Card/Chip |
| 03:44.26 | nokocode | PulseAudio/PulseAudio |
| 03:45.04 | zykotick9 | nokocode: does f6 have other options? are any of there mixer levels, way down, or muted? |
| 03:45.58 | Nanuq | I'm guessing it is null output then, by way of pulseaudio. |
| 03:46.28 | nokocode | the mixer levels are 100, 100: f6 gives soundcard with 2 options, default and enter device name |
| 03:46.37 | zykotick9 | nokocode: Nanuq fyi, the pulse part is a mystery to me... i don't use it anymore... |
| 03:46.42 | Nanuq | zykotick9: Nor I |
| 03:47.44 | Nanuq | nokocode: pastebin of your dmesg, perhaps? |
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| 03:49.28 | Nanuq | Actually your earlier lspci does mention "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel" |
| 03:49.33 | zykotick9 | nokocode: when i F6 in alsamixer i see 2 options: - (default) and 0 HDA ATI SB, the later being my soundcard. i take it you don't currently see anything like that? and thus the no cards listed in /proc/asound/cards. are you sure you didn't install/uninstall/update anything prior to this starting? |
| 03:49.34 | nokocode | ok, trying to paste it now, admittably it was too big to post it all in the terminal so I had to > newtxt.txt |
| 03:49.36 | Nanuq | Hmm |
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| 03:49.48 | Nanuq | nokocode: Which kernel is this? |
| 03:49.57 | nokocode | the one from wheezy |
| 03:50.01 | nokocode | lemme find it |
| 03:50.07 | nokocode | sorry, rather new to gnu/linux debian |
| 03:50.09 | Nanuq | Is HDMI audio still disabled by default? |
| 03:50.25 | Nanuq | Uh, for the radeon driver that is. |
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| 03:51.55 | nokocode | I just have to scp it to my current computer since my server is headless |
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| 03:52.26 | zykotick9 | Nanuq: i audio issues with debian (started with wheezy) and involves udev swapping the audio devices inbetween reboots (the solution is writing a correct udev rule for audio, which when i looked into - taught me how little i really know about gnu/linux audio) |
| 03:52.44 | Nanuq | zykotick9: heh, udev |
| 03:52.53 | zykotick9 | s/i/my/ WTF? |
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| 03:54.36 | nokocode | http://pastebin.com/xWhmxKdi here is the dmesg |
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| 03:54.39 | Nanuq | nokocode: Are you wanting to use HDMI audio, or the onboard audio? |
| 03:55.00 | nokocode | well honestly, just the onboard audio |
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| 03:55.31 | nokocode | I mainly use it to mess with my cats when I am in the other room using espeak :D |
| 03:55.36 | Nanuq | ha |
| 03:55.40 | Nanuq | there's an Oops in there |
| 03:56.42 | Nanuq | nokocode: Does lsmod list snd_hda_intel? |
| 03:57.18 | nokocode | yes |
| 03:59.13 | Nanuq | nokocode: It looks like it's choking on the HDMI audio bits, which also use the same driver. |
| 03:59.43 | nokocode | so I am guessing the solution is to disable the hdmi audio? |
| 03:59.57 | Nanuq | nokocode: Any chance you didn't have a monitor/TV connected or turned on prior? |
| 04:00.27 | nokocode | haven't had a monitor connected for about a week |
| 04:00.32 | nokocode | new machine |
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| 04:01.23 | Nanuq | nokocode: See if you can rmmod snd_hda_intel and modprobe it back in |
| 04:02.18 | nokocode | hmm... |
| 04:02.21 | nokocode | says it's in use... |
| 04:02.27 | nokocode | that might explain it |
| 04:02.53 | Nanuq | yeah it could be disabling the entire driver |
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| 04:03.46 | linux-fox | now , which version is the latest stale debian? |
| 04:03.54 | Nanuq | nokocode: You could try blacklisting snd_hda_codec_hdmi and rebooting |
| 04:04.22 | nokocode | ah ok, lemme look up the blacklisting manpage |
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| 04:05.25 | GaPJaxie | Hello! |
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| 04:10.24 | nokocode | and blacklisting worked |
| 04:10.32 | nokocode | any of you gentlemen in the ann arbor area? |
| 04:10.46 | hesco | My apt-get dist-upgrade is running me in circles: https://gist.github.com/hesco/a505bf5a2a394f4dde98 |
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| 04:11.06 | hesco | Any guidance on how to break this circle and complete my upgrade? |
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| 04:11.52 | nokocode | thank you so much nanuq, zykotick9, |
| 04:12.05 | nokocode | if you guys are in ann arbor I will gladly buy you some beer |
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| 04:13.16 | Nanuq | nokocode: I don't drink, but thanks. ^.^ |
| 04:13.57 | Nanuq | nokocode: This explains why it worked before, btw. HDMI audio can be weird like that. |
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| 04:15.42 | nokocode | Ive only seen a map of the architecture for the sound drivers before |
| 04:15.51 | nokocode | so I imagined that it would be a nightmare |
| 04:16.45 | Nanuq | nokocode: I mean in that it depends on what's hooked up when you first initialise things. |
| 04:17.29 | nokocode | ah |
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| 05:03.43 | crumb | can someone explain what's causing this error.. undefined symbol: BN_CTX_new |
| 05:03.48 | crumb | a missing dependency? |
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| 05:10.01 | rjsalts | crumb: or it's linked against an older or newer version of a library |
| 05:10.36 | crumb | oh :/ |
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| 05:11.01 | rat12 | Hi there |
| 05:11.20 | rjsalts | crumb: but if it's from a package in debian it's a bug either way |
| 05:11.29 | rat12 | Anyone here use Debian? |
| 05:11.35 | rat12 | typo lol |
| 05:11.42 | rat12 | Anyone here use DBAN? |
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| 06:08.51 | Alver | Good morning (at least in my timezone). I'm running sid with cinnamon desktop on amd64, and ibus stopped working, although I can't say how long ago. |
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| 06:24.07 | thomahog | hi, somebody know if mate-desktop is version 1.6 on debian wheezy? |
| 06:24.18 | thomahog | because i want to change my os from fedora to debian |
| 06:24.29 | thomahog | but im not sure if debian use 1.6 from mate |
| 06:25.01 | Vasistha | !tell thomahog about p.d.o |
| 06:25.27 | Vasistha | well that was not very relevant |
| 06:25.49 | Vasistha | thomahog: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:26.38 | thomahog | on debian http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mate&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 06:27.02 | thomahog | on wiki: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 06:27.12 | thomahog | nothing about the version from mate in debian7 |
| 06:28.17 | Vasistha | thomahog: well since mate-desktop is maintaining that repo, it's probably going to be a pretty recent release. Debian 7 is "wheezy". |
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| 06:28.50 | thomahog | so if i understand you right debian7 with mate repo should be debian7 with mate 1.6 |
| 06:29.38 | Vasistha | thomahog: debian7 with mate repo will be debian7 with whatever version mate repo provides. Looking here it looks like it's what you want: http://repo.mate-desktop.org/debian/pool/main/m/mate-desktop/ |
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| 06:31.59 | thomahog | ah now i see |
| 06:32.03 | thomahog | many thanks for that |
| 06:32.11 | thomahog | now im ready to change to debian :P |
| 06:32.17 | thomahog | bye |
| 06:32.52 | Myrtti | isn't mate gnome2? |
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| 06:33.09 | Myrtti | I always mix it and Cinnamon |
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| 06:34.20 | Alver | It is |
| 06:34.46 | Alver | Cinnamon is gnome 3, except it's sane and actually fairly pleasant to work with |
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| 06:36.13 | armin | gnome3 was probably the biggest regression i've ever seen in a project since starting to use linux in 1994. |
| 06:36.35 | Alver | Somewhat on par with KDE4, then :) |
| 06:36.41 | armin | absolutely not. |
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| 06:53.01 | Alver | hardliner_: yes, naturally |
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| 06:56.16 | hardliner_ | Alver, from CLI or from graphic installer? |
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| 06:56.39 | Alver | hardliner_: I always install from the cli |
| 06:56.51 | Alver | I'm not sure if you can select KDE directly from the installer |
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| 06:57.36 | hardliner_ | Alver, ok, because i installed it on virtualbox by graphical installer, and there's no option to install kde |
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| 06:58.27 | hardliner_ | Alver, i try to install kde from package and configure it manually |
| 06:58.34 | hardliner_ | i will |
| 06:59.06 | musca | choosing the desktop is the first you do before starting the installation |
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| 07:01.51 | hardliner_ | musca, where? |
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| 07:03.45 | musca | hardliner_: it's in the menu under advanced ... |
| 07:05.11 | hardliner_ | musca, ok, i must be forget, try it again in virtualbox |
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| 07:21.00 | codygman | How can I start wpa_gui (which requires sudo) in my .xsession? |
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| 07:27.11 | well_laid_lawn | gksudo or add a line in sudoers that enables you to not need a password |
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| 07:49.20 | DarsVaeda | hi I'm on wheezy and try to add a user to sudo but it says sudo does not exists as a group? |
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| 07:52.47 | drybjed | DarsVaeda: maybe sudo is not installed on your system? |
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| 07:53.11 | buu | DarsVaeda: How are you attempting to add them? |
| 07:53.14 | DarsVaeda | ah you have to install this? |
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| 07:53.32 | DarsVaeda | su > adduser myuser sudo |
| 07:53.48 | DarsVaeda | it worked on another machine so I was a bit puzzled |
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| 07:54.59 | buu | Uh, shouldn't you be using visudo? |
| 07:55.18 | drybjed | DarsVaeda: yes, sudo is not installed by default |
| 07:55.53 | DarsVaeda | apt-get install sudo? |
| 07:56.20 | buu | oh |
| 07:56.22 | buu | I see |
| 07:56.29 | buu | sudo can check your group |
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| 07:57.14 | DarsVaeda | hmm |
| 07:57.23 | DarsVaeda | this is all strange...because not true |
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| 07:57.27 | DarsVaeda | sudo is the newest version |
| 07:57.36 | DarsVaeda | and in /etc/groups there is "sudo" |
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| 07:58.08 | buu | That is a little odd. |
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| 07:58.21 | buu | Can you add users to other groups? |
| 07:58.22 | drybjed | DarsVaeda: when you run 'adduser user sudo', what is the error message? |
| 07:58.23 | DarsVaeda | I suppose root would have to be in sudo to see sudo? |
| 07:58.31 | DarsVaeda | "sudo is not a group" |
| 07:58.45 | DarsVaeda | because sudo has no users in "etc/groups" |
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| 08:16.42 | mmc | NetworkManager invokes dhclient with the -sf option, which means NM expects its "agent" to be invoked. If I enable in dhclient.conf the "script" option to use .... debian provided (patched upstream) script to use my hooks also, NM is confused and after a while disconnects the connection. |
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| 08:28.49 | benedikt | is it possible for a program running in cron to use a ssh key with a passphrase that ssh-agent has open, without prompting for the passphrase? |
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| 08:30.14 | koollman | benedikt: probably, yes. but it needs correct SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID environment variables |
| 08:30.19 | drybjed | benedikt: maybe keychain could help in this case |
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| 08:30.37 | benedikt | drybjed: man keychain? |
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| 08:30.56 | drybjed | benedikt: yes, you have to install it first |
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| 08:31.21 | benedikt | koollman: that sounds like something i would forget after a reboot |
| 08:31.40 | koollman | benedikt: after a reboot, ssh-agent isn't running anymore, too :) |
| 08:32.02 | benedikt | koollman: it's a desktop, and first thing i do is running ssh-agent |
| 08:32.26 | drybjed | benedikt: if this program runs on your account, you should be fine |
| 08:32.29 | benedikt | 0155295 |
| 08:32.50 | benedikt | drybjed: what do you mean? |
| 08:33.33 | drybjed | benedikt: when you use keychain to import ssh keys to ssh-agent, it create a file with variables which other shells and scripts can source to get access to ssh-agent |
| 08:33.56 | benedikt | oh nice |
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| 09:25.14 | adac | how can I see if an init.d script is set to autostart? |
| 09:26.35 | drybjed | adac: if you haven't changed default runlevel, look in /etc/rc2.d/ for a symlink to that script |
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| 09:31.29 | adac | thanks drybjed |
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| 09:40.01 | BadCodSmell | Is there a way to list all attached monitors? |
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| 09:44.02 | well_laid_lawn | xrandr -q maybe |
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| 09:50.30 | Guest72964 | hi |
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| 09:53.45 | p3rror | hello |
| 09:53.55 | vort | hi |
| 09:53.57 | p3rror | when I run lsof what represent NAME column |
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| 09:54.21 | p3rror | all files opened by the process ? |
| 09:54.33 | p3rror | I mean all files used by the process |
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| 09:57.38 | ChrisH | p3rror: yes. In case of a specific question paste the output and let us have a look. use paste.debian.net |
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| 09:58.32 | p3rror | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/48480/ |
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| 09:59.36 | p3rror | ChrisH, please explain to me the column NAME |
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| 10:00.00 | alpha_one_x86 | I have too: inet_protocols: disabling IPv6 name/address support: Address family not supported by protocol, but inet_protocols=all, debian binary without ipv6 support? |
| 10:00.06 | p3rror | ChrisH, for example direcotries, shared libraries, pip, socket .. |
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| 10:02.31 | ChrisH | p3rror: to me all looks self explaning. see man lsof serach for NAME and see for each line FD, TYPE and NAME in combination. This should answer 98% |
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| 10:15.31 | leftist | morning. should i use locale of en_us or en_us.utf-8? |
| 10:15.37 | leftist | just curious |
| 10:16.12 | th3m1773n | leftist: Well, anything with utf8 is always better from my experience |
| 10:16.21 | leftist | ok |
| 10:16.30 | leftist | i thought so too thanks :) |
| 10:16.31 | th3m1773n | leftist: especially if you work in multiple languages |
| 10:16.36 | th3m1773n | leftist: =) |
| 10:16.46 | gnarface | leftist: check them both, use utf8 as the default |
| 10:16.58 | leftist | ok thanks guys |
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| 10:17.34 | th3m1773n | leftist: you got it |
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| 11:12.25 | marcin | Hi, I want to create cron job that runs a command every 3rd day starting from friday - 30 0 * */3 fri - does it look ok? |
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| 11:16.55 | dokma | is there some app that I could run and tell it to liste to some port and report if there is any activity ?? |
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| 11:20.42 | marcin | dokma: netcat? |
| 11:21.02 | dokma | marcin, thank you |
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| 11:28.30 | katla | which file should I put xset -b in? |
| 11:28.38 | katla | so that it turns off beep when i log in |
| 11:29.23 | tgs3 | katla: wasn't it ~/.inputrc |
| 11:29.26 | tgs3 | or .bashrc |
| 11:29.54 | tgs3 | katla: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/set-bell-style-none-doesn%27t-silence-my-bell-316731/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Visual-Bell-8.html |
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| 11:39.19 | ksk | hey.. |
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| 11:40.20 | ksk | has anyone used pam_mount recently? i cannot get it to "catch" the password, if i exchange a mount command with a skript which outputds stdin its just an linebreak (and no password) - any idea whats wrong? |
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| 11:48.17 | sKeiths | i am in middle of 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' to upgrade squeeze to wheezy. some connection problem happened and it said to do a --fixmissing, but i just redid the 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' again and it is still working. should i do the fixmissing line before rebooting. |
| 11:48.57 | Linuxman | Yes |
| 11:49.15 | sKeiths | okay, ty |
| 11:50.08 | Linuxman | It could be caused by a missing dependency fot the download manager |
| 11:50.38 | Linuxman | Normally, that's what happens |
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| 11:52.19 | tgs3 | ksk: google if it has bug reports |
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| 11:55.04 | kash2202 | hi all |
| 11:55.09 | ksk | tgs3: i did that, none that describes my problem ( in general nobody seems to have that problem) |
| 11:55.13 | ksk | id guess nobody used that ever ;) |
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| 11:58.09 | kash2202 | ksk: will u rediscribe your problem? |
| 11:58.54 | ksk | i cant get pam_mount working, it seems to me like its not able to get the password from an ssh login ( i tested via a skript wich prints stdin ) |
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| 12:21.01 | elfranne | is there some tool to check the link of a network card ? i looked it up and some ppl suggested ethtool but it there nothing else avaible that i don t need to install extra packages ? |
| 12:21.43 | mjt | heh. I want to configure $foo but don't want to install configuration tools, is there an other way? :) |
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| 12:22.45 | mjt | ip link (or ifconfig) shows interface flags too |
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| 12:23.09 | mjt | and one of them is "NO-CARRIER" |
| 12:23.25 | elfranne | mjt, then i am just wondering why is it not a standard on Debian 7 if it so common ? |
| 12:23.35 | mjt | so common what? |
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| 12:23.43 | elfranne | ethtool |
| 12:24.03 | mjt | so common ethtool what? i don't understand the question |
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| 12:24.56 | mjt | if you need it, you install it. base software in debian does not use it |
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| 12:25.13 | elfranne | ok |
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| 12:30.51 | mjt | are there any alternatives for zoneminder for a dvr solution? |
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| 12:32.54 | mjt | i know motion but it only works with v4l devices, not with ip cameras |
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| 12:33.31 | BjornW | what would be considered 'best practice' for writing logs from www-data to /var/log/ with regards to permissions? |
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| 12:34.33 | mithrop | hi everyone :) |
| 12:34.58 | mjt | BjornW: just follow what's already set up in debian may be? |
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| 12:35.59 | dokma | I've managed to forward connections from the internet to port 42286 to my android phone |
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| 12:36.09 | BjornW | mjt: this is for a webapplication which creates reports from commandline and it needs to write some logs. I'm using /var/log but I'm not sure if giving www-data write access is a good idea |
| 12:36.14 | dokma | But now I need to forward connections from the local network to the android phone |
| 12:36.23 | mithrop | I am looking for an (easy) safe way to have a SVN server. I would like a secure solution and a way to manage SVN users easily (and if possible with a gui (like a web panel or something). Somebody have some guide to give me or the name of a software please ? |
| 12:36.24 | dokma | this is my current setup: http://pastebin.com/TCtU9Qw5 |
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| 12:36.53 | BjornW | mithrop: does Trac work for you? |
| 12:36.56 | dokma | can anyone tell me what do I need to change to forward connections from lan to the phone? |
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| 12:37.20 | mithrop | BjornW, actually, Trac made a lot more than just managing svn repos, doesn't it ? |
| 12:37.26 | mjt | BjornW: you already have apache logs in there.. why can't you follow the suit? |
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| 12:38.14 | BjornW | mjt: Apperently this webapplication needs to be run by www-data on the commandline so apache is not involved except for the same user |
| 12:38.49 | BjornW | mithrop: yeah Trac can do a lot more |
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| 12:39.22 | mjt | dokma: note that this rule (--dport 42286) redirects ANY tcp packets destined to this port to be redirected |
| 12:39.45 | mithrop | BjornW: so I thought maybe I will be able to find a tool dedicated to this task. Actually, I am using Jira, next to SVN. |
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| 12:39.55 | mjt | dokma: for example, when you'll try to connect to http://example.com:42286/ from your server, it will be redirected to your phone too |
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| 12:40.17 | mithrop | so if I can avoid the installation of another system like trac, it should be really great. maybe Jira can make the job ^ |
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| 12:41.03 | sKeiths | after upgrading from aqueeze to wheezy , sucess btw :), i have db4.8-util kept back. upgrade and dist-upgrade wont release it. any help? |
| 12:41.36 | mjt | just remove it? :) |
| 12:41.46 | BjornW | mithrop: ah, I wasn't aware you had already some stuff running. Don't know any dedicated svn gui / helper apps |
| 12:42.09 | mithrop | BjornW: fyi, another user gives me this : http://svnadmin.insanefactory.com/ |
| 12:42.34 | mithrop | anyway, I will keep Trac in my mind : I know this tool and its quality :D |
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| 12:42.57 | BjornW | mithrop: thanks, good to keep in my bookmarks. |
| 12:43.22 | dokma | mjt, that's what I want but that's exactly what does not happen |
| 12:43.30 | dokma | I get redirected to the phone only from WAN |
| 12:43.32 | BjornW | mjt: apparently this is what I need to do: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/483781/how-should-i-log-from-a-non-root-debian-linux-daemon |
| 12:43.42 | dokma | from my Desktop I do not get redirected |
| 12:43.47 | werf | Hi, how to setup high nice for specified user using /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 12:44.00 | werf | can someone give me example? |
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| 12:44.09 | mjt | BjornW: that's exactly what apache does, which i was talking about ;) |
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| 12:44.33 | BjornW | mjt: oops, I didn't understand it that way, thanks anyways ;) |
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| 12:45.24 | dokma | mjt, you are talking about this one: -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 42286 -m comment --comment "Redirect packets to SMS Gateway" -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.2:42286 |
| 12:45.34 | mjt | dokma: this way you introduce very difficult to debug issues, when some day you'll actually need to connect to that port elsewhere |
| 12:45.36 | dokma | are you trying to say that that one should redirect all packets to the phone? |
| 12:45.46 | mjt | yes |
| 12:45.56 | mjt | all packets which are seen by this host |
| 12:46.01 | mithrop | BjornW: jira does it... for 800$ xD |
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| 12:46.17 | BjornW | mithrop: ouch |
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| 12:46.56 | dokma | mjt, it's funny because right now I cannot connect to the phone from the Desktop PC to which the phone is connected via USB cable |
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| 12:47.12 | dokma | http://localhost:42286 gives Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to localhost:42286 |
| 12:47.23 | mjt | dokma: in order to do what you want (probably after figuring out why it doesn't work for you _now_ - it should), i think your best bet is to add additional conditions to there. Like, you need to specify your external interface... |
| 12:47.27 | mjt | er |
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| 12:47.39 | dokma | while from WAN: http://dynamicdomain.tld:42286 gives the response expected |
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| 12:47.49 | mjt | dokma: and how do you think, how everyone knows how your hardware pieces are connected to each other? |
| 12:48.21 | mjt | when you browse stuff from your desktop, are packets being sent to this host with iptables? |
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| 12:48.43 | mjt | or it doesn't see the packets which are processed by some other router instead? |
| 12:48.44 | dokma | no |
| 12:49.03 | mjt | so you can configure a hell out of this box but it obviously wont work |
| 12:49.04 | dokma | hmmm... I don't know the answer to that |
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| 12:50.10 | mjt | with this rule, you can browse stuff from that host with iptables, and your browser will be redirected, because this prerouting rule matches ANY tcp packets destined for this port |
| 12:50.25 | mjt | but the key point is that this host need to see the packet in order to redirect it |
| 12:50.50 | mjt | which obviously works when the packet is originated on this host, for example |
| 12:51.01 | dokma | well I've pasted my rules. I don't see what could prevent the packets from the browser on my Desktop to reach the phone... |
| 12:51.15 | mjt | and where's your desktop? |
| 12:51.24 | mjt | sighs |
| 12:51.57 | dokma | the desktop and phone are connected via USB cable and the phone has setup a ppp0 connection desktop - 10.0.0.1 phone 10.0.0.2 |
| 12:52.35 | mjt | and where are the iptables rules? |
| 12:52.43 | dokma | on the desktop |
| 12:52.50 | dokma | Debian Linux machine |
| 12:52.53 | dokma | phone is android |
| 12:53.07 | dokma | thanks for your time btw |
| 12:54.05 | mjt | fun |
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| 12:54.32 | mjt | what happens when you remove the next rule, "NAT the src ip" |
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| 12:54.37 | mjt | > |
| 12:54.37 | mjt | > |
| 12:54.38 | mjt | er |
| 12:54.42 | mjt | ? ;) |
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| 12:56.35 | mjt | fwiw, both these rules apply to localhost:42286 |
| 12:57.06 | RoyB | Hello. I have Testing running on two laptops, but one doesn't show me the networking in the top line of the display like the other does, and I can't get it to connect to my WiFi. Any suggestions, please? |
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| 12:57.44 | babilen | RoyB: Ask testing related questions in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and make sure that you have network-manager-gnome installed |
| 12:57.50 | babilen | (and that nm-applet is started) |
| 12:58.28 | RoyB | babilen: Thank you. I'll check that and then try the other channel. |
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| 12:59.15 | dokma | let me try that |
| 12:59.52 | mjt | dokma: and before trying a browser, try something like telnet or netcat |
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| 13:00.34 | mjt | (busybox has netcat built-in, so you can use `busybox nc localhost 12345' for testing) |
| 13:01.10 | sKeiths | thanks mjt . just removed it. lots of junk uninstalled with it. don't think i was using any of it. nothing kept back anymore. |
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| 13:02.03 | mjt | sKeiths: you may find apt-listrepository utility useful (google for it), -- in particular, it shows packages which aren't available in repositories anymore... |
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| 13:03.28 | _miko | Bonjour |
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| 13:03.45 | _miko | Une question au spécialiste noyau s'il y en a dans le coin |
| 13:04.10 | _miko | Je suis en train d'essayer d'utiliser des ramdisk. Des vrais, pas ceux du tmpfs. |
| 13:04.29 | dokma | mjt, without that rule nothing changes from Desktop |
| 13:04.35 | dokma | from WAN I can still access the phone |
| 13:04.46 | dokma | with netcat what should I try? |
| 13:05.07 | _miko | oups.... Sorry for typing in french...... |
| 13:05.26 | _miko | Guessing I was on a french channel |
| 13:05.48 | _miko | Are there some kernel guru over there ? |
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| 13:08.46 | mjt | dokma: it look like i forgot how iptables works... ;) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/iptables-how-to-redirect-locally-generated-packets-to-a-remote-server-797173/ |
| 13:09.09 | mjt | dokma: the key point is "locally-generated packets will never hit the PREROUTING rule" |
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| 13:11.17 | mjt | dokma: nevertheless, i still strongly suggest to add additional conditions for yor redirects. For example, to redirect "external" traffic to this your phone, add -i <external-interface> condition, so that only packets coming from outside will be matched. |
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| 13:11.55 | dokma | mjt, will do that. why do you recommend that? |
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| 13:12.21 | babilen | dokma, mjt: Might it make sense to debug this with the help of ##netfilter ? |
| 13:12.46 | mjt | dokma: i already said why. without additional refiniments like this, say, your phone will try to go outside to this port, it will be redirected to itself. Ie, difficult to debug issues. |
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| 13:12.48 | dokma | babilen, I'd love to debug it but don't know with what or how |
| 13:13.04 | mjt | there'sn othing to debug anymore, hopefully :) |
| 13:13.05 | dokma | mjt, ahhh, I see |
| 13:13.08 | dokma | thank you |
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| 13:29.01 | t_dot_zilla | would anyone have any advice on configuring php5-fpm, APC and nginx on debian that hosts over 70 php+mysql sites? (mysql is on a separate server) |
| 13:29.50 | quietschie | hi, i'm stuck installing the init services for two tomcat installations that should run simultaneous..when i start the services manually, everything works fine, but when switching runlevels only one of the 2 is started |
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| 13:32.56 | quietschie | is there a way to debug what happens when switching runlevels? |
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| 13:35.45 | Silmarilion | how often are debian stable packages updated? would you recomend it as a desktop distro since many of the packages are outdated? |
| 13:36.14 | babilen | quietschie: Sure, take a look at /etc/inittab and the associated /etc/init.d/rc -- but then runlevels aren't really all that important on Debian. |
| 13:37.16 | babilen | quietschie: On Debian we have 0 (halt), 1 (single user) 2-5 (multiuser) and 6 (reboot). Yes, that means that 2-5 are identical. |
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| 13:38.12 | babilen | Silmarilion: "stable" in Debian means "not changing" and nothing else. Packages are *never* upgraded unless necessary (security/grave bugs or package wouldn't function otherwise) as that is the whole point. |
| 13:38.57 | babilen | Silmarilion: You might want to consider tracking testing or unstable if you are looking for an "unstable" distribution (in the "changing" sense) |
| 13:39.44 | babilen | Silmarilion: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable has some information, but note that even though you get the latest packages you also get the latest bugs, problems and transitions. |
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| 13:41.51 | Silmarilion | ok tnx |
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| 13:44.43 | quietschie | babilen, sry, that doesn't help in my situation...i need to know, why one of my scripts is run and the other not, or fails |
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| 13:46.01 | phenylanine | hello everyone. i'm struggling with installing (and linking to) xulrunner |
| 13:46.20 | babilen | quietschie: You seem to be under the impression that runlevels or changing them makes a difference. How do you change runlevels? Between which runlevels do you switch? How did you install tomcat? (Debian package?) Do the init scripts differ and do they have correct LSB headers? (feel free to paste relevant information to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 13:46.24 | phenylanine | i'm on a clean installation of 7.0 64bit |
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| 13:47.20 | phenylanine | I ran the command "aptitude install -y xulrunner-dev" in order to install it however when I check /usr/lib, I do not see xulrunner-devel et al. |
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| 13:49.18 | babilen | phenylanine: Mind pasting the output of "dpkg -l xulrunner-dev" and "ls -ld /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel*" along with "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xulrunner-devel" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:49.37 | babilen | phenylanine: Oh, make the first one "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l xulrunner-dev" please |
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| 13:49.45 | phenylanine | babilen: shall do right now. thank you. |
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| 13:51.11 | babilen | phenylanine: The output of "dpkg -L xulrunner-dev" might also be of interest (to you) if that package is, in fact, installed. |
| 13:51.55 | phenylanine | http://paste.debian.net/48644/ (3 commands executed in succession) |
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| 13:53.18 | babilen | phenylanine: As you can see in your paste it is /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-17.0 which is the version in wheezy-security |
| 13:53.27 | babilen | judd: v xulrunner-dev |
| 13:53.28 | judd | Package: xulrunner-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.1.16-20; squeeze-security: 1.9.1.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; wheezy-security: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.0-2; experimental: 25.0~b3-1 |
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| 13:54.16 | geekou | hello everyone! anyone knows why https://github.com/pkt/apt-transport-sftp/ isn't an "official" transport method for APT ? |
| 13:54.25 | babilen | phenylanine: And I have to apologise as the subcommand "apt-get policy xulrunner-devel" should have been "apt-cache policy xulrunner-dev" |
| 13:54.31 | geekou | or a larger question: is there any plan to officially support SFTP as a transport method for APT ? |
| 13:54.48 | phenylanine | running these commands made me realise the terrible mistake I made and the confusion I had found myself in. it's all clear now. thank you very much. I hope my silliness wasn't a terrible waste of time. |
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| 13:55.29 | themill | geekou: why would you want sftp, btw? |
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| 13:55.42 | geekou | to setup a private repository |
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| 13:56.02 | geekou | with public key authentification |
| 13:56.04 | babilen | phenylanine: Not at all. The best thing that could happen is that a person who comes here with a problem figures out the problem him/herself with our help. If my questions (and the data you were confronted with because of them) helped you to understand the situation I am most happy. |
| 13:56.31 | geekou | (mixed with openssh's internal-sftp system) |
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| 13:58.06 | phenylanine | thank you, babilen. it sure has been very helpful. |
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| 14:00.39 | themill | geekou: you can use the ssh:// method if you really want to do that without requiring more. Not many people want private repositories so it tends not to come up very often |
| 14:01.05 | geekou | themill: ssh:// requires the user used for login to have a shell on the remote server |
| 14:01.12 | geekou | which I do not want |
| 14:01.31 | geekou | anyway, it seems that HTTPS with client-side certificate works |
| 14:01.40 | geekou | so I think I'll use this instead.. |
| 14:01.42 | themill | yeah, that would work too |
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| 14:08.23 | quietschie | hi babilen , now i managed to paste some headers -> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dcbb17f9/ |
| 14:10.20 | quietschie | i installed tomcat manually, but at first i only had one instance and everything worked, so i copied and adapted the initscripts and changed the runlevels of the original to always stop |
| 14:10.47 | quietschie | in order to have two instances running |
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| 14:17.52 | quietschie | babilen, sometimes, discribing the problem is the best way to get rid of it |
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| 14:19.17 | quietschie | i had to set the default runlevels of my original installation to all stop no start, update-rc.d script defaults and init 6 and now it works...thanks babilen ! |
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| 14:20.05 | jelly | geekou: putting /bin/false into /etc/shells works to get sftp running and still disallow interactive shell login |
| 14:20.27 | geekou | jelly: I tried that but it didn't worked! |
| 14:20.45 | jelly | huh, wfm. But on squeeze, never got to upgrading |
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| 14:21.04 | geekou | jelly: I'm also chrooting the whole environment |
| 14:21.13 | geekou | maybe that's the issue |
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| 14:22.09 | jelly | oh yeah |
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| 14:22.49 | jelly | don't remember what else had to be done for that to work |
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| 14:25.02 | geekou | jelly: according to the source code of the ssh method (which is actually the "rsh" one), it needs to use find and dd |
| 14:25.18 | geekou | with something that accepts commands ;) |
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| 14:30.12 | JmZ | libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab075.2/modules.dep.bin' |
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| 14:30.27 | JmZ | i have no /lib/modules/ apparently, this is when running modprobe xt_statistic |
| 14:30.37 | jiohdi | where can I read up on chroot-ing |
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| 14:31.32 | rascul | info coreutils 'chroot invocation' |
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| 14:33.59 | jiohdi | info jiohdi 'chroot' |
| 14:34.26 | themill | jiohdi: perhaps you could ask a more precise question |
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| 14:34.53 | jiohdi | I have heard the term recently a lot but have no idea what its about |
| 14:34.58 | jelly | geekou: oh, ew. that does not sound like sftp! |
| 14:35.28 | geekou | jelly: yep it isn't. it is basic ssh usage ;) |
| 14:35.39 | geekou | sftp isn't an official transport method of APT, that's the issue.. |
| 14:35.42 | rascul | jiohdi the info page does describe chroot and how to use it |
| 14:35.53 | rascul | also is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 14:35.57 | jiohdi | nothing came up when I typed that |
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| 14:36.14 | rascul | you may not have the info pages installed then |
| 14:36.39 | codepython777 | what OS Does this run: http://bellard.org/jslinux/ ? Any chance I can run a mini-debian like this? |
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| 14:38.25 | Sevet | geekou: not used it but you could try https://github.com/pkt/apt-transport-sftp (found by google), personally i use apt-transport-https for that |
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| 14:41.21 | jdabgotra | hello. ever since I moved to Debian from Ubuntu I've been experiencing permissions issues... for example, I'm sharing some directories with ownCloud, but I've get 403 forbidden sync error. When I create new directories or files on the server, I need to chmod to 777 |
| 14:41.38 | jiohdi | rascul, thx the wiki page was pretty good |
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| 14:43.35 | jiohdi | jdabgotra, I may be completely wrong, but even if you use the same user name, there might be some encrypted key file that is different |
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| 14:44.16 | jdabgotra | thanks jiohdi, how can i fix the problem? |
| 14:44.50 | jiohdi | I supposed the easiest way is to remove all files and re-sync them back |
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| 14:47.17 | jdabgotra | jiohdi have you used owncloud? |
| 14:47.32 | jiohdi | no, I use dropbox |
| 14:47.36 | jdabgotra | actually, the same occurs on my local network, I need everything to be 777 |
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| 14:49.00 | jiohdi | when you say you moved from ubuntu to debian... did you wipe ubuntu and just install debian? |
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| 14:49.42 | jdabgotra | yeah |
| 14:49.59 | phaer | Hi, i bought an old monitor which should support 1280x1024px according to the specs, but xrandr claims it supports only 1024x768px |
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| 14:50.48 | jiohdi | jdabgotra, not being familiar with owncloud, does it do like dropbox, make a folder on your user acct? |
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| 14:50.56 | yokisho | hi all |
| 14:51.03 | phaer | I connect it to my thinkpad x220 whose gfx card definitly supports higher resolutions via vga. Any tips? |
| 14:51.19 | jdabgotra | with owncloud, you can choose different folders to sync |
| 14:51.33 | yokisho | how can i use mtp with samsung GT-P5110?? |
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| 14:51.44 | jdabgotra | actually |
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| 14:51.54 | jdabgotra | let me back up.. it does have a folder.. im using symlinks |
| 14:52.14 | folivora | Hello, I am getting following error; http://pastie.org/8372342 |
| 14:52.22 | jdabgotra | its like /var/lib/owncloud/data/files/ and i symlink to other folders |
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| 14:55.57 | ChrisH | yokisho: with testing I simply connect my S4 and use it. |
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| 14:57.01 | codepython777 | has anyone here used : http://grml.org/download/ ? (wheezy) |
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| 14:57.56 | codepython777 | or any thoughts on alternatives |
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| 14:58.32 | ChrisH | codepython777: I used it once to recover a mdraid with a failing disk. worked very well. |
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| 15:00.14 | yokisho | ChrisH, i can see the files, but i can't copy from-to the device |
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| 15:00.56 | ChrisH | yokisho: that sounds more like a permission problem. |
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| 15:07.11 | codepython777 | ChrisH: I'm looking to run a small footprint Debian. Any recommendations how I could go about it? Perhaps using grml? |
| 15:07.29 | codepython777 | ChrisH: is there a way to install grml on a disk as if it was normal debian? |
| 15:08.16 | ChrisH | codepython777: grml is intended to use as recovery and test tool. I have no idea on installing it and there will be no support here. |
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| 15:12.48 | jelly | codepython777: they do have a #grml channel |
| 15:13.17 | jelly | codepython777: I'm using it as a generic recovery live image and it's very nice |
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| 15:14.21 | codepython777 | jelly: thanks. |
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| 15:19.58 | yokisho | ChrisH, nops, i added my own user in fuse group |
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| 15:22.52 | sKeiths | something has gone wrong with my upgrade. i no longer have reboot and shutdown commands. http://paste.debian.net/48708/ |
| 15:23.45 | yokisho | ctrl+alt+supr |
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| 15:23.49 | moldy_ | hi |
| 15:24.24 | mtn | sKeiths: what kind of upgrade? from what to what? |
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| 15:24.42 | ChrisH | yokisho: you did a sudo and not su - to get root. PATH is not set properly |
| 15:24.44 | moldy | what does this line in /etc/apt/mirror.list mean? i cannot find any information about it in the manpage. "clean http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian" |
| 15:25.13 | babilen | sKeiths: You should have been informed about that during the upgrade, but it might be that you either didn't pay attention or overlooked it. |
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| 15:25.23 | ChrisH | yokisho: Then I am currently out of ideas. |
| 15:25.25 | sKeiths | ChrisH. YES.. i just su:password and it rebooted. ty |
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| 15:26.16 | babilen | sKeiths: Just read /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian.gz and set secure path to what you want it. |
| 15:26.16 | sKeiths | babilen. i may have overlooked it. |
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| 15:27.58 | babilen | sKeiths: 'secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"' might be what you are looking for, but it is really up to your wishes |
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| 15:28.14 | Sevet | sKeiths: changes were made in /etc/sudoers that sets secure_path in new versions, see if there's a /etc/sudoers.dpkg-new |
| 15:28.35 | Sevet | if not here's mine http://paste.debian.net/48711/ |
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| 15:29.20 | babilen | sKeiths: It is typically advisable to actually investigate changes in new versions of configuration files and merge upstream changes with yours. |
| 15:29.45 | babilen | Sevet: Yeah, that is discussed in NEWS.Debian and would have been displayed during the upgrade, but I guess it can't hurt to spell it out again :) |
| 15:29.57 | Sevet | also note that #includedir /etc/sudoers.d was added so you can now put customisations in that directory and then /etc/sudoers should get upgraded when required (instead of prompting to keep your changed copy) |
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| 15:30.40 | sKeiths | this is probably very basic, but how do i un.gz a file |
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| 15:31.24 | LtL | sKeiths: gunzip file.gz i think |
| 15:31.25 | Sevet | gunzip $filename |
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| 15:31.37 | Sevet | or vim-full can read compressed files |
| 15:31.45 | sKeiths | thanks. sorry for not googleing it |
| 15:32.21 | DoctorBTC | good morning! I'm running squeeze on an ibook g4... I think my arrow keys are broken, but how can I tell if it is a software problem or a hardware problem? |
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| 15:32.26 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of babilen) |
| 15:32.28 | Sevet | (vim instead of vim-tiny rather, vim-full was renamed) |
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| 15:34.10 | babilen | sKeiths: If you want to read them with less you might want to take a look at lesspipe and have something like "[ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(SHELL=/bin/sh lesspipe)"" in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 15:48.01 | somiaj | I like zless for reading a .gz tex file |
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| 15:55.36 | tremon | DoctorBTC: you can use xev to monitor raw X events, which includes keypresses. That may only give you half an answer, I'm not sure how the kernel handles undefined keys |
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| 15:55.48 | [A3G1S] | hi guys |
| 15:55.56 | DoctorBTC | yeah, those keys get no response |
| 15:55.58 | [A3G1S] | any 1 good with iptables and tc ? |
| 15:56.26 | [A3G1S] | i am trying to understand this -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/bandwidth-limiting-per-user-828874/#post4080178 |
| 15:56.54 | tremon | DoctorBTC: ah, it looks like there's also showkey |
| 15:57.43 | DoctorBTC | what will that do? |
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| 15:58.43 | tremon | hopefully the same as xev, but then without the X server in between. see man showkey |
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| 16:03.13 | rat12 | Hi there |
| 16:03.39 | rat12 | I downloaded source code for a open source program as a zip file now how shall I compile it in debian? |
| 16:03.52 | tremon | [A3G1S]: it uses the iptables MARK module to tag packets based on the (local) user that generated them, and creates a htb tree to distribute bandwidth evenly between the tags |
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| 16:04.28 | [A3G1S] | hi tremon |
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| 16:04.48 | [A3G1S] | if I am not wrong they are using last 3 lines to do that ? |
| 16:05.04 | tremon | [A3G1S]: the first paragraph does the tagging, second paragraph sets up the bandwidth rules. The third assigns tagged packets to the correct bucket |
| 16:05.05 | [A3G1S] | and then assigning htb classes to those MARK |
| 16:05.21 | [A3G1S] | okay |
| 16:05.31 | [A3G1S] | get it… thanks a ton man... |
| 16:05.41 | [A3G1S] | 1 more thing... |
| 16:06.04 | tremon | tc filter add handle $MARK flowid $BUCKET |
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| 16:06.24 | tremon | the buckets are identified by the classid |
| 16:06.41 | [A3G1S] | okay |
| 16:06.55 | [A3G1S] | --set-mark 30 |
| 16:07.01 | [A3G1S] | 30 can be any random number ? |
| 16:07.11 | rat12 | Anyone pls help me |
| 16:07.35 | mtn | rat12: you can look for basic how to compile info on the internet |
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| 16:07.41 | mumpitzel | rat12: you install build-essential and read the documentation that came with the file |
| 16:08.03 | [A3G1S] | yes build-essential |
| 16:08.19 | tremon | [A3G1S]: yes, the numbers are random. the --set-mark in paragraph one corresponds to the handle in paragraph 3, and the classid in paragraph 2 corresponds to the flowid in paragraph 3 |
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| 16:10.09 | tremon | other than that, you can choose any number (I'm guessing up to 16 bits, but I'm not sure) |
| 16:10.57 | f-a | Good day good sirs. I am using telnet to access some BBS. Alas, the screen looks corrupted (because telnes doesn't like higheer ASCII, apparently). Is there a way to make telnet friend with BBS (or another console way to access BBSs?) |
| 16:11.28 | [A3G1S] | okay |
| 16:12.10 | [A3G1S] | tremon can you help me with 1 more thing ? |
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| 16:12.34 | [A3G1S] | is it possible to apply tc rules after user used his specific bandwidth ? |
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| 16:15.57 | tremon | I don't think so. The filters are for egress shaping, not for implementing a bandwidth cap like 'N bytes per month'. |
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| 16:16.56 | queso | Why is bitchx no longer in debian repositories? |
| 16:17.19 | jhutchins | ,versions bitchx |
| 16:17.20 | judd | No package named 'bitchx' was found in i386. |
| 16:17.39 | jhutchins | queso: Looks like it's been gone a while. |
| 16:18.02 | zykotick9 | queso: if you want a terminal based irc client, i'd suggest irssi or weechat |
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| 16:19.50 | queso | jhutchins, zykotick9: I am using irssi. I recall using bitchx back in the day and wondered why it wasn't included any longer. Found this, so I guess that answers my question: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451373 |
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| 16:20.29 | drybjed | queso: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ircii-pana/news/20070803T223908Z.html |
| 16:21.03 | queso | Thanks guys. |
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| 16:47.59 | crane | hi, i'm trying to replace my old hdd with a new ssd. i synced everything and reconfigured the uuid in fstab |
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| 16:48.51 | petn-randall | crane: Great. Did you get stuck? Which OS? |
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| 16:49.38 | crane | also i install grub with grub-install --botloader-id=debian /dev/sda but when i try to boot after slecting the kernel he trys to lookup the old uuid of the hdd and not the new one of the ssd? |
| 16:49.46 | crane | petn-randall, yes :) |
| 16:49.52 | crane | petn-randall, ^ |
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| 16:50.50 | petn-randall | crane: And the last question? |
| 16:51.03 | crane | petn-randall, is a debian ;) |
| 16:51.12 | petn-randall | crane: Squeeze, wheezy? |
| 16:51.22 | crane | petn-randall, oh yeah, wheezy so grub2 |
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| 16:52.25 | petn-randall | crane: squeeze also comes with grub2 ... :). What's more interesting is that squeeze surely doesn't support TRIM yet. |
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| 16:53.25 | crane | petn-randall, good to know, but in this case it's just an old uuid entry but i can't find him... do i need to rebuild the init-rd image? |
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| 16:53.58 | mumpitzel | crane: did you run update-grub? |
| 16:54.12 | crane | mumpitzel, nope... ._. |
| 16:54.16 | petn-randall | crane: Run 'update-initramfs -k all -u', after that run update-grub. |
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| 16:54.49 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: uuid is not in the initrd but in grub.cfg |
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| 16:55.09 | bb_ | hello |
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| 16:56.19 | crane | mumpitzel, will this update also all efi entrys? whats about non existing entrys? |
| 16:56.33 | mumpitzel | it doesn't do efi at all |
| 16:56.36 | crane | there is an entry for ubuntu but... this is useless cause i switched to debian ;) |
| 16:56.46 | crane | and how do i kill this entry? |
| 16:57.00 | bb_ | how do i encrypt /home/example with ecryptfs and mount it during login? ecryptfs-setup-private creates /home/example/{.Private, Private}. I want to have /home/example/.Private when it is encrypted and mounted to /home/example if unencrypted |
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| 17:00.55 | crane | petn-randall, mumpitzel update-grub was enough to get it back to live :) |
| 17:00.57 | crane | thx |
| 17:01.15 | crane | mumpitzel, last question: how do i delete old efi entrys? |
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| 17:03.30 | bb_ | maybe wrong channel. bye. |
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| 17:03.58 | mumpitzel | crane: why don't you google? e.g. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#bcfg |
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| 17:17.11 | ksk | hey guys ;) |
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| 17:17.51 | ksk | do you know some good documentation about "dropping a ssh user into an lxc container"? Id like to do a little advanced chrooting on a shellhost |
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| 17:19.14 | ksk | maybe something that docks into PAM? |
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| 17:25.03 | folivora | Hello, could you point me which package provides system settings for gnome-shell ( Debian Jessie 64bit) I have just Advanced Settings.. I can neither changed display ect |
| 17:25.25 | Sevet | does anyone know why execve would fail when executing a program? said program is program i'm running from the shell and it does exist |
| 17:25.38 | Sevet | i suspect it may be multiarch related - 32bit program, 64bit host (wheezy) |
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| 17:26.15 | jelly-home | Sevet: do you have 32bit libc6 installed? |
| 17:26.42 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Sevet about multiarch howto |
| 17:27.41 | jelly-home | execve() fails with ENOENT when the relevant dynamic linker is not present |
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| 17:28.37 | petn-randall | folivora: jessie/sid are discussed on server irc.oftc.net, channel #debian-next. This channel ist stable support only. |
| 17:29.13 | folivora | petn-randall: good point, solved the prob anyway. |
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| 17:33.00 | Sevet | jelly-home: thanks, i'd added the arch but was missing libc :) |
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| 17:34.17 | dgarstang1 | If I have deb packages and theyre configured to start services when the package is installed, is there a way to override that? |
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| 17:35.07 | dondelelcaro | dgarstang1: multiple ways, actually. If you don't mind if they start up once, you can stop them after installing and disable the symlinks that start the service |
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| 17:35.55 | dgarstang1 | dondelelcaro: I'd rather not have them start at all. This is Cloudera Hadoop. When the packages are installed, the services start automatically when is dumb, because I haven't configured them yet. |
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| 17:36.26 | dondelelcaro | dgarstang1: well, you can either block them from starting using policy-rc.d, or just not worry about it |
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| 17:36.46 | dgarstang1 | dondelelcaro: policy-rc.d? k, checking |
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| 17:39.41 | abailarri | Hello. I installed debian wheezy form netinstall, and I installed cinnamon desktop, but I can't enter to the grafic mode. Anyone can help me? |
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| 17:40.14 | jhutchins | I think that there are services which can run with a sensible default configuration, and those should be started on install and set to auto-start, there are others that need to be configured and should not start. I know some require a switch be set in /etc/defaults, maybe we need to look at some of the others that should use that mechanism. |
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| 17:40.43 | somiaj | abailarri: cinnamon desktop? This doesn't appear to be a debian package, so the question is how did you install this desktop? |
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| 17:41.33 | somiaj | I guess it is in debian, just not in wheezy |
| 17:41.43 | somiaj | ,v cinnamon |
| 17:41.44 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2 |
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| 17:43.21 | abailarri | somiaj: adding to the sources list |
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| 17:43.55 | somiaj | abailarri: adding what to the sources list. Please tell me you didn't mess up your debian install by adding sid sources to a wheezy install? |
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| 17:54.03 | rryoumaa | lshw says i have an ide interface. a friend took my computer apart and said he didn't find anything to plug an ide drive into. is that common? or should he look harder? |
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| 17:55.59 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
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| 17:56.07 | DelphiWorld | how do i know if my snd card is installed? |
| 17:56.11 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: what mainboard do you have? what did lshw say about that? |
| 17:56.27 | mumpitzel | DelphiWorld: the software or the physical card? |
| 17:56.45 | DelphiWorld | mumpitzel: the driver:P |
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| 17:57.08 | rryoumaa | mumpitzel: product: 0GM819 (dell) |
| 17:57.24 | mumpitzel | DelphiWorld: cat /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 17:57.45 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: pastebin the output of lspci -nn please |
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| 17:58.33 | DelphiWorld | mumpitzel: ok, i can see it. now i installed alsa-oss compat but i dont see /dev/dsp? |
| 17:58.46 | rryoumaa | mumpitzel: says "00:03.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express PT IDER Controller [8086:29b6] (rev 02)", will look for a pastebin |
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| 17:59.06 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: the C2D era (P35 and later) was when intel stopped having IDE ports in their chipsets. but at first, many mobo makers used a support chip (jmicron) to still provide a single IDE port sometimes |
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| 18:00.41 | rryoumaa | mumpitzel: should i still paste? |
| 18:01.16 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: no need. no Q35/ICH9 had a IDE port. |
| 18:01.36 | mumpitzel | so unless you have an extra chip from jmicron, silicon image, etc. then you have none |
| 18:01.43 | rryoumaa | mumpitzel: great. thank you. |
| 18:02.09 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: you might have set the SATA port to "IDE" in BIOS. if you do, set it to AHCI if possible |
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| 18:02.24 | rryoumaa | grep -i "jmicron" returns no results listed, same with silicon. |
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| 18:02.58 | mumpitzel | it would show up as a IDE or RAID port. some additional storage controller. grep isn't very helpful |
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| 18:03.05 | tremon | are you sure? ark.intel.com pairs the Q35 express with the 82801: http://ark.intel.com/products/31918/Intel-82Q35-Graphics-and-Memory-Controller |
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| 18:04.19 | tremon | and the 82801 (link right) has 1 ide channel |
| 18:04.28 | mumpitzel | tremon: I am sure. ALL intel southbridges are called 82801 from way back P3 era or so |
| 18:04.38 | tremon | ok, nevermind then :) |
| 18:04.41 | mumpitzel | the Q35 only works with ICH9 and no ICH9 has a PATA port |
| 18:05.41 | tremon | and yay intel for clear part numbering :) |
| 18:06.08 | mumpitzel | tremon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intel_chipsets#Southbridge_9xx_and_3.2F4_Series_chipsets |
| 18:06.09 | zinx | SATA being set to IDE emulation seems pretty likely |
| 18:06.48 | rryoumaa | everything is intel in lspci -nn except the video |
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| 18:07.13 | rryoumaa | http://sprunge.us/DeEX |
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| 18:08.28 | tremon | mumpitzel: weird. Intel lists the 82801IR and 82801IB as having one PATA channel (integrated ide), wikipedia says they have none |
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| 18:15.06 | mumpitzel | tremon: I have never seen any ICH9 with PATA |
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| 18:16.15 | [sr] | hi |
| 18:16.19 | mumpitzel | rryoumaa: it's hard to impossible to not see a IDE Port on the mobo. way too big to miss :) |
| 18:16.27 | [sr] | i just updated initscripts due to udev depends |
| 18:16.31 | [sr] | and now its broken |
| 18:16.35 | [sr] | how to fix it? |
| 18:16.43 | [sr] | apt is unable to finish configure of it |
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| 18:17.02 | mumpitzel | !tell [sr] about bat |
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| 18:17.26 | [sr] | mumixam: bat ? |
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| 18:18.59 | [sr] | mumixam: back, sorry did you said anything? |
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| 18:24.09 | jhutchins | [sr]: Look for a personal message from dpkg. |
| 18:24.11 | mumpitzel | [sr]: dpkg sent you a message |
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| 18:24.45 | jhutchins | [sr]: Tell us which release, what you were trying to do, how you tried to do it, what you expected to happen, and exactly what happened instead. |
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| 18:24.53 | [sr] | mumpitzel: ah didn't saw it |
| 18:25.19 | [sr] | jhutchins: weezy |
| 18:25.28 | [sr] | i just updates initscripts with udev |
| 18:25.31 | [sr] | :( |
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| 18:38.40 | [sr] | mumixam: thing is i have no way to past info, no network on the machine |
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| 18:44.50 | mumpitzel | [sr]: what kernel do you run? |
| 18:45.04 | [sr] | mumixam: 3.10 stable |
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| 18:45.12 | mumpitzel | and you still haven't wrote anything about the error. 3.10 is not stable at all |
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| 18:46.17 | aguitel | what the next debian version ? |
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| 18:47.40 | somiaj | [sr]: dmesg | grep firmware (could it be that the firmware for your nic is just missing? common issue with debian installs) |
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| 18:49.13 | somiaj | oh I missed the original question. So I guess the question is what did you install that required you to update initscripts? Are you mixing debian versions? |
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| 18:54.08 | mumpitzel | !tell aguitel about jessie |
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| 18:55.06 | aguitel | ok |
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| 19:02.19 | dD | I can't get my webcam to work, and I don't think it's even being detected. My lsusb won't show it (it shows a device I can't recognize, but can't find any vendor with that id) and it won't show up on lspci. How can I get it to work? |
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| 19:02.58 | mumpitzel | dD: built in? |
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| 19:05.34 | dD | mumixam, yes |
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| 19:07.58 | dD | mumpitzel, Yes, it's built in. |
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| 19:13.02 | dD | mumpitzel, any suggestion? I'm completely stuck. I feel it may be a hardware failure, but I don't know how to test it out. |
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| 19:13.48 | petn-randall | dD: Does it have a hardware switch? |
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| 19:14.27 | dD | petn-randall, None that I can find. Definitely none under the function keys. |
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| 19:14.53 | dD | petn-randall, and nothing about it online. |
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| 19:15.13 | mumpitzel | what is its usb id? |
| 19:15.21 | petn-randall | dD: Can you paste the output of 'lspci -nn' and 'lsusb' to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 19:15.24 | mumpitzel | and what laptop? |
| 19:15.34 | dD | yes |
| 19:15.36 | somiaj | is there a bios triger to turn it on/off? |
| 19:17.18 | dD | petn-randall, here are both http://paste.debian.net/48848/ |
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| 19:17.39 | dD | mumpitzel, m14x, this is the device I can't identify: 236a:9220 but I doubt it{s the webcam |
| 19:17.48 | dD | somiaj, no, wasn't |
| 19:18.15 | dD | somiaj, sorry, no, there isn't any. |
| 19:18.15 | petn-randall | dD: Which kernel are you running? |
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| 19:22.00 | jhutchins | dD: Is that PCI or USB? |
| 19:22.34 | dD | petn-randall, 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:22.56 | dD | jhutchins, it's an internal webcam |
| 19:23.32 | jhutchins | dD: I mean the ID you gave. |
| 19:23.38 | jhutchins | ,pciid 236a:9220 |
| 19:23.39 | judd | [236a:9220] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=236a:9220 |
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| 19:23.45 | mordocai | Hello, I noticed that if I installed a package via dpkg (dpkg -i <package name>) the postinst script is run before the dependencies are installed, but if I installed it via apt-get (apt-get install <package name>) then the postinst is ran after the dependencies are installed. Is there a way to make apt-get behave like dpkg -i in this instance? |
| 19:23.45 | dD | jhutchins, usb |
| 19:23.58 | jhutchins | dD: I'm not finding that string either. |
| 19:24.15 | mordocai | Alternatively, a different way to have arbitrary commands run before dependencies would work |
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| 19:24.41 | petn-randall | mordocai: No, because apt keeps track of the dependencies, dpkg is the low-level tool. |
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| 19:25.39 | petn-randall | jhutchins: That's a USB ID. Not PCI. |
| 19:25.48 | dD | jhutchins, Yeah. I have no clue if that's the webcam. |
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| 19:26.53 | petn-randall | mordocai: You should seldomly be installing packages with dpkg, unless it's 3rd party apps without a repo. |
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| 19:28.16 | somiaj | mordocai: just run apt-get -f install [it should fetch all depends, and then reconfigure the package (which will rerun the scripts)] |
| 19:28.58 | somiaj | note this assumes that the package you installed depends can be satsified from your repos. You have to be very careful when installing random .debs |
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| 19:33.24 | mordocai | petn-randall: somiaj: Full story: I have a package that depends on mysql-5.5-server. We want this package to run debconf-set-selections to set the password for mysql-server in the preinst script. This works with dpkg -i. However, when we are using apt-get (installing from our local repo) we run into trouble because the preinst script appears to be running after mysql-server-5.5 is installed/configured and, therefore, the password is |
| 19:33.59 | mordocai | Are we just doing something completely backwards, or is there something we are missing to make this work? |
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| 19:34.41 | bernhard1 | question.. i installed debian wheezy from dvd. now when i want to install some software it keeps asking for the dvd. how can i change this so it looks on the inet only ? |
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| 19:36.10 | mtn | bernhard1: you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list. remove the cd entries and add a repo line. |
| 19:36.11 | mordocai | bernhard1: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:36.12 | peterrooney | bernhard1: comment out your DVD line in /etc/apt/sources.list by putting a "#' at the start of it. |
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| 19:38.14 | twat | !gui |
| 19:38.15 | dpkg | well, gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. Ask me about <cli>. See also http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/toolbarsarecool1.gif |
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| 19:39.23 | petn-randall | mordocai: You're missing a depends, or pre-depends in your package, that's why. |
| 19:39.41 | mordocai | petn-randall: No i'm not. |
| 19:39.51 | mordocai | petn-randall: Not sure if you get what the issue is... |
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| 19:40.25 | bernhard1 | mordocai; peterrooney that worked |
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| 19:40.39 | tremon | mordocai: try #debian-mentors on oftc, packaging isn't really the focus of this channel |
| 19:40.42 | petn-randall | mordocai: Your message was truncated after 'therefore, the password is'. |
| 19:40.58 | twat | is there an official debian site that states, that debian 7 comes with gnome as default gui? it was surprsingly hard to google that. best link i got was https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment :/ |
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| 19:41.08 | petn-randall | mordocai: Also, what tremon said. I'm also over at #debian-mentors, let's carry it over. |
| 19:41.26 | petn-randall | twat: There's no default, you pick on in the installer. |
| 19:41.52 | mtn | twat: you pick if you don't go with the default install, that is :p |
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| 19:43.57 | twat | petn-randall: mtn i know. i was just surprised. i know it |
| 19:43.58 | mtn | twat: every review of debian I saw mentioned that the default gui was gnome. |
| 19:44.05 | twat | *it's gnome from useage |
| 19:44.11 | mordocai | petn-randall: Private chat might work better. My work blocks a lot of ports and IRC doesn't work natively so I use web clients and looks like oftc's web client isn't working on my work network either for whatever reason. |
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| 19:45.19 | mordocai | Yeah, looks like 8443 is blocked too at my work. |
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| 19:45.54 | Guest82767 | Hi. I am using debian Wheezy and everytime I delete a file I get a system error sound. How do I avoid that? |
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| 19:46.11 | twat | can someone give me reasonable hardware requirements for gnome3-debian? usage: webbrowsing, office, music |
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| 19:46.33 | twat | 2-4 Ghz and 1 GB ram will be enough? |
| 19:46.43 | twat | typo: 2-3 GHz |
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| 19:47.19 | mtn | twat: I would want more ram than that |
| 19:47.21 | tremon | twat: depends on how you browse. If you leave lots of tabs open, your browser may need more than 1GB |
| 19:47.25 | stratoka | twat: i recommend xfce instead of gnome |
| 19:47.50 | mordocai | twat: I used a laptop with a 1.6ghz cpu and 512mb of RAM with debian, worked mostly fine. Like stratoka said I prefered xfce though. |
| 19:48.10 | mordocai | twat: Gnome was a little too heavyweight for it to handle sometimes |
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| 19:49.07 | nsouer | Why not just a lightweight window manager for something like that? |
| 19:49.23 | nsouer | fluxbox, etc? |
| 19:49.33 | twat | mordocai: stratoka tremon mtn ok thank you. |
| 19:49.37 | Almtesh | Hi everyone. |
| 19:49.41 | twat | nsouer: i sue fluxbox :) it is for some1 else |
| 19:49.52 | twat | also i will use lxde |
| 19:49.53 | Almtesh | I'm looking for a TV network broadcaster. |
| 19:50.02 | Almtesh | Anyone knows one? |
| 19:50.09 | tremon | Almtesh: the bbc? |
| 19:50.11 | socomm | If you've only 512 of ram, you're better off not using a DE |
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| 19:50.22 | nsouer | socomm, exactly my thought |
| 19:50.26 | twat | socomm: it is 1 GB |
| 19:50.33 | socomm | well, if your laptop supports it, you're better off buying more RAM |
| 19:50.38 | socomm | twat: even still |
| 19:50.39 | twat | also, lxde is basically openbox with some eye-candy |
| 19:50.44 | Almtesh | tremon, the what? |
| 19:51.09 | nsouer | twat, but why bother? so you can use a nice network manager applet? |
| 19:51.10 | socomm | twat: uh |
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| 19:51.45 | petn-randall | twat: RAM is more important than CPU for everyday work. More RAM means more filesystem cache, and snappier response. |
| 19:51.47 | twat | nsouer: it's for a windows-convert. i'm not going to bust his balls with a wm |
| 19:52.16 | twat | petn-randall: i'll go for more ram at time, but until then i need a gui for him :) |
| 19:52.27 | tremon | Almtesh: what do you mean with "tv network broadcaster" |
| 19:52.30 | socomm | twat: use fluxbox |
| 19:52.35 | twat | nsouer: also nm-apple works in fluxbox too |
| 19:52.54 | socomm | twat: same your ram for your web browser, god knows youtube/flash is gonna wanna eat all that RAM |
| 19:52.54 | twat | socomm: i am not going to give a linux-newby a raw window manager |
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| 19:53.16 | twat | that's irresponsible |
| 19:53.17 | [sr] | mumixam: what a reallyyyy odd thin, an old nfs script (i dont use nfs on this server) in init.d was looping lsb |
| 19:53.39 | twat | socomm: only if lxde is too heavy, i will fall back to fluxbox |
| 19:53.41 | [sr] | mumixam: o think that packages that are removed, should remove the init.d start scripts aswell |
| 19:53.43 | socomm | twat: dumbing things down is never a great idea |
| 19:53.55 | twat | socomm: for beginners it is. |
| 19:54.09 | mumixam | [sr]: think before you tab |
| 19:54.12 | socomm | twat: have fun |
| 19:54.41 | mumixam | [sr]: your looking for mumpitzel |
| 19:54.48 | [sr] | ops |
| 19:55.04 | mumixam | dont worry it happens daily |
| 19:55.09 | twat | socomm: if he is willing to dive into it, he'll go for the good stuff himself, if not, he'll reject everything that doesn't have a start button |
| 19:55.11 | [sr] | sorry |
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| 19:55.41 | twat | socomm: but usually going easy on beginners gives the better results (my experience) |
| 19:55.43 | petn-randall | twat: If that person has never used a linux DE before, stick with Gnome, KDE or XFCE. That person will be googling for problems every now and then, and will find answer more easily with a mainstream DE. |
| 19:55.49 | nicfer | hello |
| 19:56.03 | twat | petn-randall: i would, if the computer had more than 1 GB ram |
| 19:56.16 | twat | petn-randall: so until the ram upgrade, lxde or xfce |
| 19:56.22 | petn-randall | twat: xfce |
| 19:56.26 | petn-randall | (IMO) |
| 19:56.36 | dD | petn-randall, jhutchins, somiaj, mumpitzel any clues as to what I could be doing? |
| 19:56.46 | nicfer | I can't boot debian on my alternate pc |
| 19:56.58 | nicfer | grub just sends me to a command line |
| 19:57.31 | mtn | nicfer: did it work? is this a fresh install? |
| 19:57.40 | nicfer | yeah, fresh install |
| 19:57.49 | nicfer | I can boot if I do some commands there |
| 19:57.59 | mtn | nicfer: like? |
| 19:58.18 | twat | socomm: just you don't get me wrong: i'm a fluxbox user and fan, but i don't want to scare him of with a "poor" gui (it will be perceived as that) - there are enough things to adjust to. |
| 19:58.25 | twat | *off |
| 19:58.35 | mtn | nicfer: what commands? |
| 19:58.41 | nicfer | root (hd0,1) |
| 19:58.41 | nicfer | kernel /vmlinuz |
| 19:58.42 | nicfer | initrd /initrd.img |
| 19:58.42 | nicfer | boot |
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| 19:58.45 | twat | ok, thank you all for your input :) |
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| 19:59.32 | nicfer | whoops, multilining is bad |
| 19:59.44 | mtn | nicfer: either repair your grub or try installing again. |
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| 20:00.21 | nicfer | before I had error 15 before getting the menu |
| 20:01.04 | nicfer | I repaired grub and now I get that |
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| 20:01.51 | socomm | twat: no worries, maybe im just being a dick |
| 20:02.17 | twat | socomm: no problem |
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| 20:02.39 | mtn | nicfer: grub is still messed up. want to try reinstalling? |
| 20:02.48 | twat | socomm: i assume you use fluxbox. do you use luxbox own menu, or something else? |
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| 20:02.55 | mtn | nicfer: or: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub |
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| 20:03.30 | socomm | twat: when I use fluxbox I usually stick with the defaults |
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| 20:04.34 | twat | ok... |
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| 20:06.10 | twat | ty |
| 20:06.11 | bernhard1 | Installing webmin on debian wheezy giving me this errors http://paste.debian.net/48879/ |
| 20:06.19 | bernhard1 | how do i continue ? |
| 20:06.58 | mtn | bernhard1: I imagine everyone will tell you not to install webmin :) |
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| 20:06.59 | tremon | bernhard1: either apt-get install -f or dpkg -P webmin |
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| 20:07.14 | petn-randall | tremon: heh :) |
| 20:08.17 | bernhard1 | <tremon> fixed it thanks |
| 20:09.06 | tremon | bernhard1: mtn is right though, webmin is neither safe nor secure |
| 20:09.29 | petn-randall | nor nice. |
| 20:09.35 | tremon | O |
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| 20:10.01 | tremon | I'm not a good judge of character, I've been told |
| 20:10.35 | petn-randall | webmin stole my lunch money. |
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| 20:12.15 | Jonuz | it took my jobs |
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| 20:13.52 | Silmarilion | debian 7 > expert install > GUIDED LVM LUKS > erasing data (10min already - 500gb HDD) ... Is so slow or the installer entered some kind of loop? |
| 20:14.14 | Silmarilion | still at the beginning... |
| 20:14.31 | tremon | Silmarilion: that's expected to bo slow, it is filling the entire drive with random data |
| 20:14.41 | Silmarilion | aha |
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| 20:15.44 | Silmarilion | and whats the estimated time, how long shoud it take to complete for 500gb HDD? |
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| 20:17.32 | tremon | that depends mostly on your processor speed, but I'm getting between 4 and 15MB/s on my machines |
| 20:17.55 | tremon | (amd E2 vs core i5) |
| 20:18.10 | frikinz | could be lack of entropy |
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| 20:21.16 | frikinz | Had to do several random operations when filling a 1TB disk with random data otherwise it would just stall |
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| 20:21.35 | tremon | you weren't using urandom, then? |
| 20:21.40 | Linuxman | It's your RNG |
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| 20:21.42 | jhutchins | There needs to be a better method of generating entropy. |
| 20:22.03 | jhutchins | I tried to generate a cert on a headless server and it wouldn't complete. |
| 20:22.16 | Linuxman | The activities produced entropy |
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| 20:22.35 | Linuxman | What size? |
| 20:23.09 | jhutchins | He said 500G. |
| 20:23.22 | jhutchins | Linuxman: Were you asking what size key? |
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| 20:23.40 | Linuxman | Yes |
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| 20:23.50 | frikinz | tremon: with urandom yes it stalled |
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| 20:26.39 | Silmarilion | will filling the disk with random data significaly reduce its life time? |
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| 20:27.30 | tremon | Silmarilion: no, not really. The lifetime of the disk doesn't depends on the data on it. However, it will seriously impact the write speed of several "optimizing" ssd's |
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| 20:28.14 | Silmarilion | aha, its not an ssd just old 7200 rpm hdd :) |
| 20:28.21 | bernhard1 | installed nginx and php5-fpm but my php is not working. this is nginx config http://paste.debian.net/48902/ |
| 20:29.19 | frikinz | jhutchins: I think very recent kernel use new input for randomness. can't find the commit though |
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| 20:30.25 | tremon | frikinz, jhutchins: rngd has been available for a while, if you have a hardware rng you really do want it |
| 20:30.54 | jhutchins | frikinz: We're stuck with 2.6, running RHEL @ work. |
| 20:31.26 | bernhard1 | while requesting a php page i get this error.. 502 Bad Gateway |
| 20:31.41 | bernhard1 | html page workes fine. |
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| 20:31.53 | jhutchins | bernhard1: Any PHP page? |
| 20:32.25 | bernhard1 | not working.. i created a info.php page which gives this error. |
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| 20:33.07 | bernhard1 | after nginx installed apt-get install php5-fpm |
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| 20:39.50 | bernhard1 | Solved php issue |
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| 20:42.26 | Benkinooby | hi, i want to use jiti's nightly builds https://jitsi.org/Main/Download but when i add their nightly repo as they say https://jitsi.org/Main/DebianNightlyRepository at some point of time my soures.list.d/jitsi.list gets modified and has instead deb http://download.jitsi.org/deb unstable/ |
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| 20:42.59 | Benkinooby | it also says: ### THIS FILE IS AUTOMATICALLY CONFIGURED ### # You may comment out this entry, but any other modifications may be lost. |
| 20:43.22 | Benkinooby | so what service is restting my entry? |
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| 20:44.41 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Ask them. |
| 20:44.45 | Benkinooby | maybe an other packet manager is interfering? synaptic . could that be? |
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| 20:44.49 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: ^ |
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| 20:46.24 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: as the comment says, it will be overwritten at some point of time (want to find out who/what does that) - but until then, it uses nightly bulds. i am ahead of "unstable" but behind the nightlies |
| 20:47.16 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: We also have no idea what changes might have been made to your system. |
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| 20:47.30 | Benkinooby | m |
| 20:47.33 | Benkinooby | hm |
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| 20:48.09 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: maybe i should insert that in in my sources.list ? until now i only set it in source.list.d/jitsi.list |
| 20:48.25 | Benkinooby | so i guess the second one is something auto-generated |
| 20:48.29 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Generally speaking this channel only has knowledge of stable and oldstable. You can try #debian-next on oftc.net, but they probably don't know what goes on with a third-party repository either. |
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| 20:49.39 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: ah ok. i am not directly looking for support for jitsi itself - i first wanted to figures out what might be the reason. e.g. why there are separated list files in sources.lists.d |
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| 20:50.33 | Benkinooby | so it's more general, although it will head to jitsi sooner or later if i can not solve it myself. But i guess you're right - this is not the channel for that |
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| 20:53.20 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Nothing I run uses anything but sources.list |
| 20:53.46 | jhutchins | I know ubuntu has some automated repository update tools. |
| 20:55.04 | somiaj | I do like the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory so you can add/remove sources as indviduial files (but most third party sources suck for debian so not used that often). |
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| 20:57.32 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: well, i'll try to find out *when* those files change and then go on. thank you for your help |
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| 20:58.21 | Benkinooby | somiaj: usually you're right. jitsi was of questionable quality for some time and i turned it down several times. but it seems things got better now. they also got accepted to sid repo |
| 20:58.35 | Benkinooby | somiaj: otherwise i wouldn't mess with it either... |
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| 21:02.22 | frikinz | Benkinooby: did you look at the source? |
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| 21:02.41 | Benkinooby | frikinz: no |
| 21:03.09 | Benkinooby | frikinz: why do you ask? |
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| 21:04.09 | frikinz | Benkinooby: to check if it includes code to modify source list |
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| 21:05.11 | frikinz | also if software runs as user, that there is no cron, no jitsi process running as root, and source.list.d/blabla is owned by root and only writable by root, it shouldnt happen |
| 21:05.15 | Benkinooby | frikinz: i can try that. but as i see it, jitsi runs with my user permission -no right's to edit /etc/* |
| 21:05.40 | Benkinooby | i was a bit too slow ;) |
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| 21:06.26 | frikinz | :) |
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| 21:08.02 | Benkinooby | but i think it must somehow be them. probalby during upgrade (sudo) |
| 21:08.17 | Benkinooby | i am doing an upgrade right now, so i'll see what happens |
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| 21:09.35 | agora | is this an acceptable way of switching to the linux-libre kernel in debian? http://romanrm.ru/en/loongson/linux-libre |
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| 21:11.03 | agora | also, will this overwrite the existing kernel on my computer? |
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| 21:11.46 | Guest82767 | Hi. I am using debian Wheezy and everytime I delete a file I get a system error sound. How do I avoid that? |
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| 21:16.54 | Benkinooby | Guest82767: maybe it's an system error? |
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| 21:18.44 | snollux | So, I made a big mistake -- I ended up not committing the autogenerated folder labeled "DEBIAN" when I pushed my package source and .deb package to my git server, and sure enough it's gone. So now when I want to run debuild, I get errors like "cannot stat debian/tmp/..." and so on |
| 21:18.49 | Benkinooby | Guest82767: check in your dmesg |
| 21:19.01 | snollux | how can I make a completely fresh DPKG build? |
| 21:19.14 | snollux | where it's not looking for the files it generated last time |
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| 21:20.13 | rcu | quinput: |
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| 21:22.05 | snollux | any ideas? :( |
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| 21:24.37 | jhutchins | snollux: Start from scratch. |
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| 21:24.55 | jhutchins | snollux: I take it make clean doesn't do it? |
| 21:25.07 | snollux | no, it doesn't |
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| 21:27.16 | Benkinooby | when i sometimes mount a remote filesyste, is /mnt or /mdeia the right choice? |
| 21:27.55 | Benkinooby | i know about the FHS but it says /media is for removalbel devices and /mnt is for sysadmin |
| 21:28.05 | Benkinooby | for quick mounts |
| 21:28.26 | tremon | use /mnt |
| 21:28.31 | pha | Benkinooby, either, but personally I'd use /mnt |
| 21:29.24 | Benkinooby | pha: ok. so if i put that into fstab, it will be mounted with the rights of the user mounting it? or will it be root only too, as /mnt is? |
| 21:29.58 | tremon | you shouldn't put /mnt in fstab |
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| 21:30.25 | Benkinooby | tremon: well, i don't mount is by default. only sometimes, when i need it |
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| 21:31.10 | Benkinooby | tremon: also, why no /mnt in fstab? |
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| 21:31.47 | tremon | Benkinooby: because putting something is fstab means that you're not doing a quick one-off mount |
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| 21:33.00 | Benkinooby | oh, ok. i alway thought of it like: the admin has to edit it. so if the admin writes a normal users mount into that file, it's OKed by the admin. now the user can simply mount without sudo rights. seems i got it wrong :O |
| 21:33.18 | Benkinooby | tremon: what's the right way then? |
| 21:33.25 | jhutchins | tremon: Actually, if you need to set options (like user RW) for a device that's temporarily mounted, fstab is recommended, and /mnt or /media is where it should mount. |
| 21:33.33 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.57 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.09 | Benkinooby | tremon: ah ok. so fstab is right, but the /mnt is wrong |
| 21:34.17 | tremon | yes, I'd say so |
| 21:34.27 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Actually, it's up to you. |
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| 21:34.51 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: My nfs stuff goes in /<server>/<share> |
| 21:34.59 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: well, as i see it, it's pretty much a matter of taste then. |
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| 21:35.14 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: fhs says: no additional files or dirs in / |
| 21:35.19 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Yeah, and I don't know that lfhs specifies anything. |
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| 21:35.44 | tremon | Benkinooby: and then we got /sys and /selinux |
| 21:35.45 | jhutchins | Benkinooby:I mean for temp devices in lfhs. |
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| 21:35.56 | Benkinooby | lfhs? |
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| 21:36.10 | jhutchins | Linux File Hierarchy Standard. |
| 21:36.23 | jhutchins | Or I guess it's Filesystem |
| 21:36.23 | Benkinooby | is that different from fhs ? |
| 21:36.29 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Probably not. |
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| 21:36.40 | Benkinooby | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
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| 21:36.45 | Benkinooby | i am talking about this one |
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| 21:38.15 | Benkinooby | also to come back to my prev. question about my modified sources.list - seems like it gets modified during upgrade... i'll dig into that later |
| 21:38.28 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Really, it's up to you except that you want to avoid locations that might be modified by the system for some reason. |
| 21:38.31 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: ok. then fstab and /media it is |
| 21:39.02 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: A number of live CD distros warn you not to mount diretly to /mnt because they mount essential components there. |
| 21:39.10 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: well, until now i mounted into a subdir of my home. but it looks like that is a bad idea, when i backup my home and forget about the mount |
| 21:39.29 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Tell the backup not to span devices. |
| 21:39.50 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: yeah thought of that too. but then i thought i could also mount properly ;) |
| 21:39.51 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: You can also symlink the mount into your home, but that has the same risk. |
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| 21:40.45 | jhutchins | ~/Documents on my home systems is a symlink to /<fileserver>/Data/<user>/Documents |
| 21:40.45 | apt | jhutchins: okay |
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| 21:41.05 | jhutchins | !sag |
| 21:41.05 | dpkg | well, sag is The Linux System Administrator's Guide see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/, or say, in german. |
| 21:41.33 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: well, sounds like a quick and easy replacement for roaming profiles |
| 21:42.04 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: Similar, and implemented when I was an NT Admin. |
| 21:42.28 | Benkinooby | NT admin? |
| 21:42.30 | Benkinooby | network? |
| 21:42.57 | tremon | Benkinooby: neanderthal technology (by now) |
| 21:43.13 | Benkinooby | i see :) |
| 21:43.24 | Benkinooby | i'll look it up in goopher then |
| 21:43.32 | Benkinooby | or how ever that is called |
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| 21:48.00 | Benkinooby | hm, now it doesn't work any more. mount error(115): Operation now in progress |
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| 21:48.33 | Benkinooby | i want to mount it to /media/tumnas |
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| 21:49.28 | Benkinooby | //server/dir /media/tumnas cifs noauto,user,credentials=/home/username/.credentials,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 0 |
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| 21:49.44 | Benkinooby | that's my fstab line |
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| 21:52.09 | ung | I'm trying to report a debian bug and I get this error message "SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server.. " I use smtp.live.com:587 (hotmail) |
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| 21:59.31 | sdseewe | how to fixhow to fix that ..You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run |
| 21:59.32 | bernat | ung, how are you doing it? |
| 21:59.57 | Benkinooby | brb |
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| 22:01.18 | ung | bernat: well, I first did reportbug --configure, configured smtp server, then I reported my bug .. |
| 22:02.33 | bernat | ung, it seems you didn't get it right, the error message says what's wrong |
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| 22:02.49 | ung | bernat: I tried at least 10 times |
| 22:03.01 | ung | bernet: I reconfigured it, changed port, it doesn't work |
| 22:03.17 | Benkinooby | ha, mout works now. was a network problem |
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| 22:03.36 | ung | bernet: if I search on google, it looks like a python error but I use debian stable |
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| 22:04.47 | bernat | ung: I'd double check the smtp conf and make sure to use a valid from field |
| 22:05.49 | ung | how can I double check it ? |
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| 22:08.55 | jhutchins | !tell sdseewe about multiarch |
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| 22:10.05 | jhutchins | ung: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server - what's mysterious about that? You are trying to send a message to the server and the AUTH mechanism you are trying to use to log in is not supported, so you need to use a different AUTH mechanism. |
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| 22:11.20 | ung | jhutchins: how to use a different AUTH mecanism ? in reportbug, it just ask me the smtp server/username |
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| 22:12.48 | jhutchins | ung: So maybe hotmail isn't a workable solution for reportbug. |
| 22:13.23 | ung | jhutchins: alright, Ill try something else, ty. |
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| 22:16.06 | jhutchins | ung: I don't find any documentation on how to support it. It might be possible, but there is a bugreport asking that support be added. |
| 22:17.24 | jhutchins | ung: You could figure out how reportbug is trying to connect to the server and see if you can find a workable AUTH mechanism. (AUTH is a login like mechanism that prevents anonymouse and unauthorized users from sending mail through somebody's server without permissions). |
| 22:18.19 | ung | can I use icedove (thunderbird) to send bug? |
| 22:18.56 | ung | (it's the first bug I am reporting) |
| 22:20.50 | jhutchins | ung: This page has instructions for using gmail, hoptmail might be similar: https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
| 22:21.02 | jhutchins | ung: No, that won't work with icedove. |
| 22:21.23 | jhutchins | ung: Er, sorry, with reportbug. You need a transport agent, not a display client. |
| 22:22.14 | jhutchins | ung: When you configured it, did it ask you "Does your SMTP host require TLS authentication?" |
| 22:22.39 | ung | yes, I tried with and without |
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| 22:22.47 | ung | with, I get a TLS error msg |
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| 22:23.52 | ung | it sucks cause I tried the port 587 like recommanded the page you linked and I don't want to use gmail |
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| 22:26.31 | ung | with the TLS authentication, I get this "SMTP send failure: Connection unexpectedly closed: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:1359: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number." |
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| 22:35.27 | jhutchins | ung: Try port 25 or 465 with TLS. |
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| 22:36.07 | ung | jhutchins: I tried 25, Ill try 465 |
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| 22:38.47 | jhutchins | 25 + TLS? |
| 22:39.00 | jhutchins | It might require SSL which reportbug might not support. |
| 22:39.42 | atomi | how can I change the timezone for the date command? |
| 22:39.58 | zinx | the TZ environment variable |
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| 22:40.06 | jhutchins | !localle |
| 22:40.09 | atomi | zinx: ty sir |
| 22:40.12 | ung | jhutchins: 465 doesn't even connect to smtp |
| 22:40.16 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 22:40.17 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 22:40.21 | zinx | if you want it to globally change, there's another method |
| 22:40.46 | jhutchins | ung: Yeah, most of the references I find use 587. |
| 22:41.13 | petn-randall | any idea how to open paint shop pro files? Gimp doesn't take them :( |
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| 22:41.58 | ung | ty for trying jhutchins, Ill try something else. |
| 22:42.52 | Benkinooby | ung: maybe people at ##networking know? |
| 22:43.08 | jhutchins | petn-randall: There is a psp pluggin for gimp. |
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| 22:45.41 | petn-randall | jhutchins: I already found a plugin that can export textures to the Playstation Portable ... huh. Can you point me to it? Gimp apparently doesn't import PSP file format version 7.0 yet. |
| 22:45.57 | petn-randall | It's an old file I probably created in the 90s, wanna know what it is. |
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| 22:47.14 | bernat | ung: Ithink you can configure exim with hotmail server as smarthost then configure reportbug to use local sendmail service |
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| 22:47.24 | jhutchins | You might be able to convert it with imagemagick. |
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| 22:48.43 | jhutchins | petn-randall: gimp-plugin-registry should help you find it. I don't know if it workss with 7.0. |
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| 22:48.55 | jhutchins | actually worked on PSP back when it was shareware. |
| 22:49.35 | DoctorBTC | Any guidance on how i could bind the (broken) arrow keys on my lappy to some other combo? |
| 22:49.49 | jhutchins | ung: bernat Actually, if you get EXIM running you can probably send directly to debian without having to relay. |
| 22:50.35 | ung | Ill try it. |
| 22:50.38 | bernat | jhutchins: mmm, I thought that wouldn't be allowed |
| 22:51.06 | petn-randall | Damnit, no PSP file support beyond version 7. Maybe we have PSP at work, I'll check on monday. |
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| 23:07.55 | jaggz-- | that is, in the client (putty, in w7) I've never set keepalive on |
| 23:08.11 | jaggz-- | (and I could leave my ssh session up indefinitely) |
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