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| 00:01.43 | twobitsprite | ugh... |
| 00:02.00 | babilen | twobitsprite: fwiw, sudo's path handling changed (see "/msg dpkg sudo path") -- user's are being made aware of this during the upgrade and the message can also be found in /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 00:02.15 | babilen | s/user's/users/ *sigh* (sorry) |
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| 00:03.55 | babilen | twobitsprite: I guess that justaguy decided to simply keep his/her sudoers and not to use the new version or merge in the changes. Not that it helps to discuss it now as it clearly wasn't important enough. |
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| 00:08.28 | Silmarilion | so after creating the user I managed to login, but gnome went to failback mode. Looking the logs it looks like I have to install ATI firmware. |
| 00:09.24 | babilen | Silmarilion: You need firmware-linux-nonfree. Enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list and install it. I would also recommend to install microcode for your processor while you are at it. |
| 00:09.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Silmarilion -about radeon firmware |
| 00:09.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Silmarilion -about microcode |
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| 00:09.53 | Silmarilion | ok tnx |
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| 00:31.23 | hanasaki | http://pastebin.com/wy18Awhh <= is this a software bug? indicates a hardware issue? thank you |
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| 00:39.58 | crane | hi, has someone installed the latest version of vagrant on wheezy amd64? i'm getting an error that the i686 version is not made for amd64... :/ |
| 00:40.23 | rryoumaa | how do i find out whether a package that is on my system is on the normal wheezy installation (i.e. whether /i/ installed it)? |
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| 00:42.40 | lethalduck | Just looking at /etc/securetty . The first line has "console" without the quotes. What exactly is this for? |
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| 00:43.26 | lethalduck | I'm thinking it must be there before the :0 :0.0 :0.1 etc? |
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| 00:45.12 | lethalduck | I'm working through hardening a server to put into a DMZ facing the internet. I'm removing as many root permissions as possible from external consoles |
| 00:45.28 | lethalduck | The server is a VM guest on VMware ESXi |
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| 00:46.26 | lethalduck | man page for securetty doesn't mention the "console" line |
| 00:46.48 | lethalduck | I'm assuming it's a header for the following lines and must remain. |
| 00:47.17 | lethalduck | Obviously the X displays can be commented out as it's a server with no X. |
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| 00:49.04 | lethalduck | One answer I've found on unixstackexchangecom says... "listing console in securetty, normally has no effect since /dev/console points to the current console and is normally only used as the tty filename in single user mode, which is unaffected by /etc/securetty" |
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| 01:11.06 | twobitsprite | babilen: huh... I guess I haven't done any squeeze-wheezy upgrades, just fresh installs |
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| 01:16.14 | mcurran | Can anybody help me get my audio output to work on both my snd-emu10k1 and snd-intel simultaneously. I am running debian testing/jessie and pulseaudio. If I select either output in pavucontrol, they each work, but they will not allow for both to work at the same time. So right now I have my monitor w/ speakers plugged into my onboard sound output which is using the intel driver and my pc speakers are plugged into the Creative Labs PCI card (CT47 |
| 01:16.14 | mcurran | 80). The card also has a surround jack, but has no output when I try that along with the emu10k1 selected for main audio output. |
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| 01:42.57 | rowinofwin | Hi Guys, I am confused by some documentation from squeeze which seems to no longer apply for wheezy regarding making one kernel module load before the current default. Does anyone know how to put one module before another? |
| 01:43.50 | rowinofwin | This is for a PCIe device (Network card) and switching to xen-pciback for doing pci passthrough, the xen-pciback driver needs to load rather than the r8169 driver |
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| 01:50.21 | abrotman | rowinofwin: what is confusing? |
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| 01:56.30 | grimeton | hi |
| 01:56.42 | grimeton | when installing nmap it pulls in half of the X system - any idea why? |
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| 01:58.13 | abrotman | grimeton: doubtful, what is "half of X"? |
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| 01:58.44 | Th0masR0ss | GNU's 30th birthday party? |
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| 01:59.21 | grimeton | why is Alice_Ursula_Sue informing me that wearing a bra as a man is a good thing and that i should try it? |
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| 02:00.01 | abrotman | grimeton: ignore it for now |
| 02:00.04 | grimeton | http://pastebin.com/AFUN6sQ5 |
| 02:00.08 | grimeton | "half of X" |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | wonders which half |
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| 02:00.30 | abrotman | that's far from half of X |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | grimeton: you can try without recommends |
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| 02:01.36 | grimeton | this isn't the recommended stuff - this is the needed stuff |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | nmap or ntop? |
| 02:02.01 | grimeton | nmap |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | grimeton: show the full command and the full output |
| 02:02.23 | grimeton | apt-get install nmap |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | grimeton: apt-cache policy nmap |
| 02:02.59 | grimeton | http://pastebin.com/0JM3zLj8 |
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| 02:03.20 | grimeton | Candidate: 6.40-0.1 |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | that's not apt-cache policy output |
| 02:04.17 | grimeton | i wonder what is pulled in that depends on so many packages |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | i'm still waiting for policy output |
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| 02:05.27 | grimeton | http://pastebin.com/Zk2TMfgt |
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| 02:06.02 | abrotman | grimeton: did you try apt-get --no-install-recommends install nmap ? |
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| 02:06.45 | grimeton | since when is apt-get just installing everything that is recommended? |
| 02:06.47 | grimeton | wtf? |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | i think that was a yes/no question |
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| 02:07.58 | dvs | I thought that was the difference between recommended and suggested. |
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| 02:08.16 | twobitsprite | I'm pretty sure apt has defaulted to installing recommends for some time now |
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| 02:08.28 | abrotman | it has |
| 02:08.41 | twobitsprite | since etch, at least? |
| 02:08.49 | grimeton | yeah, going to change that |
| 02:09.04 | twobitsprite | grimeton: that woudln't be recommended :P |
| 02:09.10 | abrotman | twobitsprite: not since etch |
| 02:09.18 | abrotman | not for apt-get nayway |
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| 02:10.55 | grimeton | twobitsprite: yeah :D |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | grimeton: better without recommends? |
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| 02:11.52 | grimeton | yeah, thanks |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | see, i'm not crazy |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | eyes dvs suspiciously |
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| 02:12.20 | grimeton | yeah but debian is getting more weird every time ... |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | it's been like that for some itme |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | time |
| 02:12.43 | dvs | welll.... |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | oh this is crap |
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| 02:13.39 | grimeton | yeah remove the bra advertiser |
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| 02:13.56 | abrotman | grimeton: got kicked 10 minutes ago, look for the k-line |
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| 02:14.11 | grimeton | i've got lots of stuff on ignore ... |
| 02:14.21 | abrotman | just not bra ads apparently |
| 02:14.37 | grimeton | yeah i'm still user friendly and allow queries |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | but anyway, no, redirected the guy that can't control his IRC client |
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| 02:20.03 | cfree | well, with the upgraded kernel the rtl8188ce driver compiled and installed no trouble however still not working: |
| 02:20.24 | cfree | dmesg | grep "firmware" shows [ 6.249901] rtl8192ce 0000:01:00.0: firmware: agent loaded rtlwifi/rtl8192cfwU_B.bin into memory |
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| 02:21.06 | cfree | iwconfig shows wlan0 too |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | so what isn't working? |
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| 02:22.00 | cfree | when I launch wicd it shows my eth0 connection but the wireless doesn't show up |
| 02:22.30 | cfree | "No wireless networks found" |
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| 02:22.47 | dvs | cfree: remove references of wlan0 out of your /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 02:24.56 | cfree | dvs: there are no references in that file to wlan0 |
| 02:25.03 | dvs | k |
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| 02:26.46 | abrotman | cfree: you have to also tell wicd to manage your wireless networks |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | cfree: somewhere in the settings (i don't have my netbook out) there's a place to list your wireless adapters. |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | holy crap, i used a period to send a line |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | end ... |
| 02:28.32 | grimeton | .oO( let's hope the world doesn't stop spinning ) |
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| 02:29.13 | abrotman | notes renebarbosa is about to get a redirect too |
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| 02:30.09 | renebarbosa | abrotman, ? |
| 02:30.28 | abrotman | you keep quitting and joining |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | it gives the appearance your client is broken |
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| 02:31.52 | cfree | the toggle wifi on/off button in the wicd gui just does rfkill block wifi / rfkill unblock wifi |
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| 02:32.03 | cfree | tried both clicking and running those commands with no joy |
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| 02:34.28 | grimeton | cfree: you see anything in the logs that shows problems? |
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| 02:35.51 | cfree | grimeton: where would I find the logs? |
| 02:35.56 | grimeton | cfree: /var/log |
| 02:38.29 | cfree | 2013/10/04 00:13:27 :: did not find wireless_interface in configuration, setting default None |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | i said that ... |
| 02:38.45 | grimeton | looks like a hint to me |
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| 02:39.46 | cfree | where would I find the configuration file? (forgive me I'm used to everything being in a GUI) |
| 02:39.56 | grimeton | cfree: of what? |
| 02:40.02 | cfree | wicd |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | isn't there a settings button or menu ? |
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| 02:42.13 | cfree | ahh yeah, I missed it because I'm simple heh |
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| 02:42.51 | abrotman | cfree: find the place to put the interface? |
| 02:42.51 | cfree | thanks a lot guys I really appreciate your help and patience with me :) |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | i have no idea why it's like that .. took me a minute to find it too |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | (compared to network-manager that wants control of everything it can find) |
| 02:44.08 | cfree | the window opened at a size that made it look like there was no Preferences, About or Quit heh, didn't look like there was more stuff on that window |
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| 02:44.35 | cfree | now to test it hehe |
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| 03:12.15 | cfree_ | my wifi is finally working! |
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| 03:12.59 | Pinchiukas | Is there any way to have a more recent tmux in Debian 6.0? |
| 03:13.26 | Pinchiukas | Currently it has 1.3 and up to 1.8 it has a very annoying bug. |
| 03:13.59 | abrotman | use wheezy? |
| 03:14.01 | dvs | cfree: darn it! |
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| 03:14.33 | Pinchiukas | I'd be fine with stable if not this. :| |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | 6.x isn't stable |
| 03:15.29 | Pinchiukas | Huh? |
| 03:15.53 | abrotman | dpkg: stable |
| 03:15.53 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.1); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 03:16.12 | Pinchiukas | Holy crap! |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: you're about six months late :) |
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| 03:17.05 | zykotick9 | Pinchiukas: any wheezy uses tmux 1.6, which still isn't your 1.8. is this the ~ new pane thing? |
| 03:17.09 | Pinchiukas | I sort of remember it hazily but for some reason I thought I was using latest stable. |
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| 03:17.15 | zykotick9 | s/any/and/ |
| 03:17.25 | Pinchiukas | No, this is the ssh timeout -> irssi in tmux timeout thing. :) |
| 03:17.32 | mrdeb | whats not stable |
| 03:17.33 | mrdeb | deb 6? |
| 03:17.53 | Pinchiukas | I wonder how smoothly could I upgrade. :) |
| 03:18.14 | legg1 | dist-upgrade would probably be smooth, no? |
| 03:18.24 | Pinchiukas | No idea. |
| 03:18.47 | Pinchiukas | Will have to give that a try, if possible. :) |
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| 03:21.41 | legg1 | apt-get dist-upgrade should do every package you have installed |
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| 03:22.20 | Guest59888 | Hello! are there instructions on how to downgrade pulseaudio to version 2? `sudo apt-cache madison pulseaudio` says only 4.0 is available |
| 03:22.28 | Guest59888 | I'm on debian sid |
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| 03:27.06 | legg1 | http://linuxg.net/downgrade-package-in-ubuntu-and-debian/ - downgrading |
| 03:28.29 | Guest59888 | thanks for the docs |
| 03:29.08 | Guest59888 | I also added the wheezy repo the my apt sources |
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| 03:32.34 | jdabgotra | hello |
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| 03:32.47 | jdabgotra | I was wondering if Debian plans to remove the nonfree respositories in the future |
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| 03:33.40 | zykotick9 | jdabgotra: no "plans" for that, but would require a working crystalball to answer correctly |
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| 03:58.07 | SolarAquarion | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 03:58.27 | SolarAquarion | tried doing autoclean and clean |
| 03:59.28 | zykotick9 | SolarAquarion: is /var it's own partition? how much space do you have left on either /var or / depending? are logs perhaps filling it up? |
| 04:00.12 | SolarAquarion | Zyferus, /var is on the main partition |
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| 04:00.34 | somiaj | df -h -- is that full? |
| 04:00.38 | zykotick9 | SolarAquarion: so, how much space is left on your / partition then? |
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| 04:02.08 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, i'll post it in #flood |
| 04:02.48 | SolarAquarion | Zyferus, should i pastebin it? |
| 04:04.09 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: paste.debian.net |
| 04:04.10 | SolarAquarion | Zyferus, somiaj http://pastebin.com/x0rnhEmB |
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| 04:05.07 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: space looks fine, care to pate the command you are running along with the full output. |
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| 04:06.53 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a29e423d/ |
| 04:07.43 | somiaj | yea you need to download 2 gigs of packages |
| 04:07.57 | somiaj | you could see if 'apt-get upgrade' will only download less, and then clean after than then do the dist-upgrade second |
| 04:08.03 | somiaj | but you should put more room in your root partition |
| 04:08.24 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, any way to resize a partition? |
| 04:09.08 | grimeton | i'd link it to a directory on a bigger partition |
| 04:09.17 | grimeton | just for the upgrade |
| 04:10.31 | somiaj | yea that would probabaly work better. You have lvm setup, so that is designed to resize partitions, need to resize your file system frist though if you want |
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| 04:10.49 | somiaj | but grimeton has the best idea, just link /var/cache/apt/archives to something in /home where you have plenty of space |
| 04:11.11 | linux-fox | youdYou don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:11.29 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, /home/debian or something? |
| 04:11.44 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: what ever you want, again this should only be temp solution |
| 04:11.52 | SolarAquarion | true |
| 04:11.59 | somiaj | it looks like you are running sid or testing? |
| 04:12.21 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, testing |
| 04:12.38 | somiaj | looks like you also have all three major DEs installed, kde, gnome and xfce, are you using them all? |
| 04:13.06 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, i switch between them. It's a habbit of mine from ubuntu |
| 04:13.26 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: yea you will want to resize your partitions (look up lvm how to resize partitions and file systems) |
| 04:13.42 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: you will probabaly hvae to do this from a live image, that way you have space to deal with these upgrades in the future |
| 04:13.50 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: but a symbolic link will work for the time |
| 04:14.25 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, testing is currently equal to raring, right |
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| 04:15.10 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: testing is part of the development branch, what will eventally become the next stable. Due to its nature it has no security updates, is constantly changeing and should have bugs. Usually suggested for people who don't know debian that well not to run |
| 04:15.23 | somiaj | should=could |
| 04:15.37 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, i am using jessie |
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| 04:15.39 | somiaj | it will be updating a lot, and these updates will sometimes break things |
| 04:15.44 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: that is testing |
| 04:16.02 | SolarAquarion | k |
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| 04:16.59 | linux-fox | testing for desktop , stabel for server |
| 04:17.44 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, testing is not like sid. But nevertheless i used Arch Linux for some time >security |
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| 04:18.26 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: testing has way more in common with sid than stable. Due to the fact that any fixes have to filter though sid first, it gets slow security fixes/bug fixes |
| 04:18.29 | zykotick9 | linux-fox: depends, personally i LIKE stable for my desktops/notebooks/htpc... others suffer from <sns> more then I do ;) |
| 04:18.32 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: I prefer sid myself for that reason. |
| 04:18.40 | linux-fox | i have not used arch linux, whow about it? |
| 04:18.45 | jcbjoe | did the debian handbook change or something for installation ? |
| 04:18.53 | somiaj | testing/sid are fun if you don't mind fixing it when it breaks |
| 04:18.59 | jcbjoe | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en right ? |
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| 04:19.46 | SolarAquarion | linux-fox, in Arch Linux all the packages are Vanilla |
| 04:20.00 | grimeton | that, and that they are using openssl is the best about it |
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| 04:20.06 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: but anyways, until testing freezes it will recieve lots of updates so keep that in mind for resizing your partition. |
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| 04:20.17 | SolarAquarion | yep |
| 04:20.32 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, massive amounts of updates? |
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| 04:21.20 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: it depends, but sometimes large groups of packages drop into testing all at once, others just slowly filter though sid. Some of testings bigger breaks are during large migrations |
| 04:21.39 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: at the time of the freeze it will stop getting new versions and the focus will be on bug fixing |
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| 04:22.19 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, and then the happening occurs when the gates of sid totally opens |
| 04:22.33 | cfree | hmm, weird - my wifi wasn't connecting via wpa2-psk, so I eth0'd into my router and removed all security, wifi worked fine, turned wpa2-psk back on, it connected slow but worked, rebooted and now it doesn't connect again |
| 04:22.34 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: but I find on sid it is worth keeping an old copy of the deb of packages around (downgrading sometimes fixes bugs while youw ait for the fix). But you cna also use snapshot.debian.org for that if you have space issues. |
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| 04:22.53 | cfree | says bad password despite it being the correct passphrase |
| 04:23.31 | SolarAquarion | k |
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| 04:24.33 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, would you say the most optimal partition make up is everything is a seperate partition |
| 04:25.03 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: for desktops I suggest doing what you did. have / and /home -- that way if you want to reinstall your user data is seperate |
| 04:25.25 | alonzoh | SolarAquarion: technically it is, but you'd have to go figure out the best FS for each individual part of your system, which takes time and effort |
| 04:25.25 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: I would just suggest about 20gigs for / on testing due to updates and the likes, espically since you want all three desktops installed |
| 04:25.42 | alonzoh | matters less in these times of ridiculously fast multi-core systems, with tons of ram |
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| 04:26.15 | legg1 | 12TB raidsetup. 100mb /boot, 1000mb swap, rest in / |
| 04:26.17 | legg1 | have fun |
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| 04:32.56 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, i resize via a live disk? |
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| 04:35.42 | SolarAquarion | how do i resize my partitions again? |
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| 04:36.18 | Shadur | Use a gparted live ISO. |
| 04:37.05 | SolarAquarion | Shadur, i'll install it on my USB |
| 04:38.36 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: you could do your home partition with out it, but for the root yes |
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| 04:38.52 | jcbjoe | anyone get tht ? i swear the debian install changed according to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en |
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| 04:38.59 | jcbjoe | or am i looking at the wrong guide ? |
| 04:39.06 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: note I beliv eyou will want to first shrink the file system on /home, then shrink the partition, then grow the other then grow the file system |
| 04:39.13 | somiaj | though gparted might do it better |
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| 04:41.17 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, i should install the gparted system on my USB? |
| 04:43.35 | somiaj | I would find yourself a good guide first, I have never done it myself. But yes you will need a live usb system because you want to resize your root fs |
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| 04:49.10 | TrinnyXXX | Hello |
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| 04:49.38 | TrinnyXXX | I'm trying to mount a disk on debian but it's not letting me coz im' not root |
| 04:50.15 | TrinnyXXX | i'm using the file browsing thing on gnome3 |
| 04:50.22 | TrinnyXXX | how can i mount it as root?? |
| 04:51.17 | SolarAquarion | Some_Person, i like sid. it has mpv |
| 04:51.36 | C00re | sudo mount ... |
| 04:51.40 | somiaj | TrinnyXXX: do you know what the drive was assigned as? does 'dmesg | tail' say anything about the drive |
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| 04:52.29 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: over all I like sid better than testing. It has a higher chance of major bugs, but it gets fixed a lot faster, has more packages, and with apt-listbugs you can avoid most grave bugs |
| 04:52.50 | TrinnyXXX | C00re: I don't want to mount it via comand line? is it possible to do it with the file browser? |
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| 04:53.18 | C00re | ah |
| 04:53.26 | TrinnyXXX | somiaj: what do you mean by assigned a? |
| 04:53.27 | somiaj | TrinnyXXX: most likely you shouldn't be running a file browser as root, but I think there are disk managers that could do it. |
| 04:53.29 | TrinnyXXX | as? |
| 04:53.42 | SolarAquarion | Some_Person, you can add the sidux or whatever it's called repos for the fixes |
| 04:54.52 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: I wouldn't install unoffical sources to my debian install. bad bad juju |
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| 04:55.10 | C00re | TrinnyXXX: you could add the mount to /etc/fstab with that option that allows users to mount |
| 04:55.28 | somiaj | TrinnyXXX: I don't run gnome so I dont know the name of the disk manager, it might be hiding under settings somewhere |
| 04:55.49 | C00re | how it looks like i dont remember just now |
| 04:56.00 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, how do i purge all the gnome packages? |
| 04:56.04 | somiaj | TrinnyXXX: looks like it is called 'gnome-disk-utility' and is a package if you don't have it installed |
| 04:56.30 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: depends on how they were installed. If they were all brought in via the gnome meta package as auto installes, 'aptitude purge gnome' should do it |
| 04:56.41 | grimeton | SolarAquarion: if in doubt: dpkg --purge $(dpkg -l | grep -i gnome | awk '{print $2}') |
| 04:57.05 | zykotick9 | somiaj: i don |
| 04:57.06 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: removing a core lib will take many things with it, hopefully they were installed via a meta package so the autoremove works |
| 04:57.22 | zykotick9 | 't think the package is called "gnome" though gnome-shell maybe? |
| 04:57.34 | somiaj | ,v gnome |
| 04:57.36 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+4; sid: 1:3.8+4 |
| 04:58.10 | zykotick9 | somiaj: sorry, my bad. |
| 04:58.15 | somiaj | its a meta package that depends on the whole gnome DE, but that will only work if the others were autoinstalled with it |
| 04:58.26 | somiaj | if they weren't you are removing a package that doesn't do much but install other packages, (: |
| 04:58.55 | SolarAquarion | somiaj, gnome-core. But i hate gnash |
| 04:58.57 | somiaj | looks like there is a Section gnome, guess you could use aptitude to deal with that |
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| 04:59.28 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: aptitude ~i~sgnome |
| 04:59.43 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: aptitude search ~i~sgnome -- that will list all the packages fromt he gnome section |
| 04:59.55 | somiaj | SolarAquarion: aptitude purge ~i~sgnome should then get rid of them |
| 05:00.22 | somiaj | note you may want some gnome core libs still on your system for gtk aps and the likes. That may get rid of to much |
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| 05:01.15 | grimeton | i'd remove the apps that i don't need anymore and then i'd check what apt-get suggests can be removed too |
| 05:01.45 | somiaj | grimeton: aptitude will remove auto isntalled packages automatically, apt-get requires you run 'autoremove' as an additional command |
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| 05:02.34 | reavengr1y | is about to venture into the dark side |
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| 05:02.43 | reavengr1y | replacing my radeon driver with fglrx |
| 05:02.52 | reavengr1y | To see if a particular game's performance will improve |
| 05:03.02 | reavengr1y | Goodbye open source driver ;_; |
| 05:03.06 | grimeton | somiaj: i don't use aptitude |
| 05:03.41 | somiaj | reavengr1y: well most likely you have the non-free firmware installed to get the free driver to work. (: |
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| 05:03.53 | somiaj | reavengr1y: and if you don't you should try that before changing. |
| 05:04.56 | somiaj | grimeton: for the most part I don't, but it's search function is powerful enough I use it from time to time. |
| 05:05.23 | grimeton | somiaj: i used the first version of dpkg back in slink and never made it past apt-[get,cache,file] |
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| 05:05.45 | somiaj | haha I always get surprised when I run across someone still using dselect |
| 05:05.53 | somiaj | deselect |
| 05:06.41 | grimeton | somiaj: is it still maintained? |
| 05:06.55 | somiaj | by the dpkg team, there are some emails/bug reports about it |
| 05:07.35 | grimeton | hm nice |
| 05:07.43 | grimeton | not that i'd use it ... |
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| 05:09.41 | elkingrey | I can't seem to figure out why my memory usage is through the roof. When I run htop, I notice that several programs have many PID's. It's like it's repeating a bunch or something. Is that normal? |
| 05:10.07 | grimeton | elkingrey: define "through the roof" |
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| 05:10.28 | elkingrey | Well, I've got 16 GB of RAM, and currently 12 of them are being used. |
| 05:10.45 | grimeton | elkingrey: i guess there's also a lot of fs cache |
| 05:10.53 | elkingrey | fs cache? |
| 05:11.01 | grimeton | elkingrey: filesystem |
| 05:11.05 | grimeton | elkingrey: what does free -m show? |
| 05:11.13 | somiaj | !free ram |
| 05:11.13 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 05:11.22 | elkingrey | The cached category under free -m shows 11512 |
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| 05:11.31 | grimeton | elkingrey: yeah, that's fs cache and stuff |
| 05:12.00 | elkingrey | So, this is normal then? |
| 05:12.07 | grimeton | elkingrey: yes |
| 05:12.29 | elkingrey | Okay, was sort of freaking out. Why the repetitions in htop though? |
| 05:12.32 | alonzoh | !swapwake |
| 05:12.33 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
| 05:12.43 | elkingrey | It's like each program shows 2% of mem over and over for one program. |
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| 05:13.45 | grimeton | elkingrey: hm, i'd have to see that to be able to tell |
| 05:15.11 | elkingrey | Hmm, can't seem to copy htop, and top doesn't show it. It's alright, As long as it's all good. Thanks for the help! |
| 05:15.21 | grimeton | elkingrey: you're welcome |
| 05:15.32 | somiaj | elkingrey: you can use paste.debian.net if you want to share some stuff. 'ps faux' might show all the processes |
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| 05:16.31 | z8z | Hello, i moved from Ubuntu 12.04lts to debian but lost network-manager profiles... how to restore those? |
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| 05:21.13 | somiaj | z8z: do you know where they are stored by chance? |
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| 05:22.11 | z8z | hmmm trying to find out but no idea where the location is |
| 05:22.44 | z8z | somiaj: i have the whole backup of old ubuntu system but can't see where those configs are |
| 05:23.11 | somiaj | z8z: have you checked /etc and $HOME for hidden files? |
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| 05:23.20 | somiaj | I'd think they would be the users profile in $HOME |
| 05:24.33 | z8z | somiaj: yeah i'm searching there but didn't succeed yet |
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| 05:25.50 | somiaj | z8z: I don't have network manager installed, but read the man page, near the bottomit should list the configuration files (such as profile files) it uses |
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| 05:27.53 | z8z | somiaj: both debian and ubuntu use network-manager so why just copying entire home folder didn't copy whole config too? |
| 05:28.40 | somiaj | z8z: it could be that ubuntu has modified network-manager to make it more user friendly. It could be the version you were using on ubutu is newer than the one in wheezy |
| 05:28.50 | somiaj | z8z: compare the versions of the two network-managers |
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| 05:29.28 | somiaj | it could be the profiles are actually stored in /etc from the daemon and aren't user specific programs. It could also be the profiles were a part of the front end you were using |
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| 05:29.50 | somiaj | z8z: (: |
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| 05:32.05 | z8z | somiaj: Ohhh...i found.... no problem about version difference since every network is a single file in this folder: |
| 05:32.12 | z8z | somiaj: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 05:32.42 | z8z | somiaj: so i just copied the files and everything worked :D thanks anyway for help |
| 05:33.16 | somiaj | z8z: agian that file is probabaly mentioned in the manpage, a useful sorce of info |
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| 06:03.48 | TrinnyXXX | I'm using chromium btw |
| 06:03.57 | TrinnyXXX | Some of the videos won't play |
| 06:04.12 | TrinnyXXX | And this is annoying coz i'm trying to play a playlist and it pauses |
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| 06:21.25 | gabo | o/ |
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| 06:21.54 | oddie_ | \o |
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| 06:35.44 | TrinnyXXX | hey guys..... youtube is acting up. I'm using chromium. Some of the videos won't play and this is annoying coz i'm trying to play a playlist and it pauses midway |
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| 07:19.39 | finchd | TrinnyXXX: chromium has the built-in flash player? so the ones acting up might by HTML5 videos of some format you don't ahve installed? |
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| 07:35.33 | mjt | finchd: since when chromium has a built-in flash player? |
| 07:35.55 | mjt | (fwiw, html5 != flash...) |
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| 07:43.35 | jelly | finchd: only chrome ships the ppapi flash plugin, chromium is open source and does not (but can use it when it's present) |
| 07:45.51 | finchd | mjt: i meant that he was running into both type in his playlist, and one didn't work |
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| 08:00.52 | narcos | Hey Debianers. I just installed a box with LVM disk encryption. I now need to enter the passphrase on boot. Is there a way to boot off a key on a USB stick, rather? |
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| 08:01.31 | psnider85 | narcos: You could use something like a teensy to auto type the phrase? |
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| 08:10.20 | narcos | psnider85: Hmm I guess |
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| 08:27.57 | reavengrey | ,v wine |
| 08:27.58 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 08:29.16 | reavengrey | beginning to really love debian, but this old packages stuff |
| 08:29.32 | mjt | wine have a long problematic history in debian |
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| 08:32.18 | babilen | judd: v wine-unstable |
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| 08:32.28 | babilen | heh :( |
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| 08:35.47 | mjt | heh. what is a "usual" way to understand why various dbus messages are happening and who reacts to them and how? :) For example, somehow udisks sends "changed" events for my /dev/sd[ab] on regular intervals, while these definitely does not change. Or every hour, dbus activates/deactivates packagekit service... |
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| 08:39.23 | mjt | ..or something constantly pokes avahi service... |
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| 09:07.38 | narcos | If my box doesn't boot post install, how can I check if grub's on ok |
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| 09:07.39 | narcos | ? |
| 09:07.55 | BullShark | what has replaced /etc/inittab? |
| 09:08.03 | BullShark | am i now using systemd? =( |
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| 09:11.03 | BjoernC | hi guys |
| 09:11.24 | neton | hello |
| 09:11.26 | neton | can anyone tell me where I can get compiz to download the debian 7.1 |
| 09:12.03 | nkuttler | narcos: can you define doesn't boot? |
| 09:12.30 | nkuttler | !tell neton about compiz |
| 09:12.57 | BjoernC | I have a problem during the boot of Debian/wheezy -> distribution kanotix, i got following error message:"syslog:Sep 29 02:20:15 cascade udevd[4543]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.2 1 7': No such file or directory" I don't know what happens exactly and i thougt that i could remove mtp because i don't need it but if i then apt-get says that vlc and amarok will |
| 09:12.59 | BjoernC | be removed too. Have anybody an idea what i can do? |
| 09:13.15 | nkuttler | !kanotix |
| 09:13.15 | dpkg | Kanotix is a live CD Linux distribution based on Debian 7 "Wheezy" (as of Kanotix Dragonfire). It is not supported in #debian. http://www.kanotix.org/ #kanotix on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 09:13.28 | narcos | nkuttler: I get the POST message, and then a black screen with a blinking cursor in the top left |
| 09:13.48 | nkuttler | narcos: hm, what's the POST message? |
| 09:14.03 | narcos | nkuttler: 'Press F10 to choose boot media' |
| 09:14.18 | neton | nkutler> wanted to download a source, deb, or even a source list |
| 09:14.19 | nkuttler | narcos: that sounds like you're still booting off the installer cd? |
| 09:14.30 | nkuttler | neton: compiz is not in debian any more |
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| 09:14.48 | nkuttler | !tell neton about archive |
| 09:15.32 | nkuttler | narcos: or is that your bios? anyway, you should probably try a repair with the installer, or boot with a grub cd or something |
| 09:15.52 | neton | nkuttler: hum what a pity, really wanted to use compiz with my LXDE |
| 09:16.07 | nkuttler | neton: read the msg the bot sent you |
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| 09:17.17 | narcos | nkuttler: I installed via PXE boot, and did a 'download' install |
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| 09:17.34 | narcos | box doesn't boot, even with network cable unplugged (and the pxe box is off anyway) |
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| 09:17.57 | nkuttler | narcos: download install? netinst? |
| 09:18.12 | nkuttler | narcos: you did install grub from within the installer, right? |
| 09:18.26 | nkuttler | narcos: and you're selecting the right hd/partition from your bios boot menu? |
| 09:19.28 | narcos | nkuttler: I'mp pretty sure I installed grub |
| 09:19.38 | narcos | yes there's only one HDD |
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| 09:20.06 | nkuttler | narcos: so, your bios shows you 'Press F10 to choose boot media', what do you select and what happens next? |
| 09:20.08 | narcos | nkuttler: I used this network instal - http://docs.kali.org/network-install/kali-linux-network-pxe-install |
| 09:20.24 | nkuttler | !kali |
| 09:20.24 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 09:20.34 | narcos | nkuttler: I select the HDD, and then I get a black screen with a blinking cursor in the top left |
| 09:20.45 | nkuttler | narcos: please join #kali-linux and ask there |
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| 09:21.42 | narcos | nkuttler: OK. I've been asking there but no luck yet. |
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| 09:24.01 | narcos | nkuttler: I did a 'grub --check-install /dev/sda' and that seemed to fix it |
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| 09:24.07 | narcos | I guess I hadn't installed it? |
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| 09:24.43 | nkuttler | narcos: really, you're in the wrong channel |
| 09:24.51 | nkuttler | narcos: but good for you |
| 09:25.14 | narcos | nkuttler: I'm sorry :-( |
| 09:25.22 | narcos | nkuttler: Thank you for the help though |
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| 09:41.59 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out the state of my laptop battery? |
| 09:42.01 | vlt | (using linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae on Debian stable) |
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| 09:45.40 | Silmarilion | do I have to enable login as root if I plan to use root terminal? |
| 09:45.43 | vlt | Found it. |
| 09:45.49 | babilen | vlt: You might want to explore /sys and, in particular, /sys/class/power_supply/ |
| 09:46.03 | vlt | /sys/class/power_supply |
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| 09:46.08 | babilen | indeed |
| 09:46.12 | vlt | babilen: Thank you. |
| 09:46.23 | babilen | vlt: np |
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| 09:46.58 | vlt | babilen: also for the cross-posting hint. |
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| 09:52.48 | debianQuestion | Is it possible to connect a debian server without using samba/winbind? |
| 09:53.14 | tremon | yes |
| 09:53.32 | debianQuestion | What should i be looking into? |
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| 09:55.34 | Silmarilion | strange, my main hdd in nautilus sidebar is listed as 500gb UNRECOGNIZED |
| 09:55.53 | tremon | depends what "connect" means to you. If you mean having access to (part of) the files on the server, use nfs or sshfs |
| 09:56.03 | debianQuestion | Ah, dumb me |
| 09:56.04 | bezaban | debianQuestion: If you are just talking about connecting in general the ssh suite is one of the most popular choices to manage linux servers |
| 09:56.15 | debianQuestion | Connect a debian server to a Active directory* |
| 09:56.27 | debianQuestion | without using samba/winbind |
| 09:57.04 | tremon | then samba is probably the way to do. You can get part of it done using plain kerberos commands, but "joining" a domain can only be done with samba |
| 09:57.15 | tremon | err, s/to do/to go/ |
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| 09:57.48 | bezaban | debianQuestion: as tremon says, there are some pam modules that will let you authenticate against it, but samba is the closest you get to 'integrating' it in the AD |
| 09:57.50 | debianQuestion | Ye i can get a kinit with plain kerberos |
| 09:58.35 | debianQuestion | But im stuck at that |
| 09:58.36 | bezaban | personally I keep the linux and windows enviroments more or less completely separated |
| 10:00.23 | debianQuestion | Yeah, we are doing a test to see if we can make use of this |
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| 10:11.32 | debianQuestion | bezaban: it works if i create a local account, and thanks to pam/kerberos i can use my ad password |
| 10:11.33 | debianQuestion | Thank you |
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| 10:20.23 | haridas1 | Hi, trying to install teamviewer and skype on my debian sid. But to get this done I made the system multiarch. Foreign arch is i386. But now I have one package that has the same name on the amd64 and i386 "libkrb5support0" .. because of this apt-get is not finishing the installation.. |
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| 10:20.40 | haridas1 | Saying the error " dpkg: error: --configure needs a valid package name but 'libkrb5support0' is not: ambiguous package name 'libkrb5support0' with more than one install" |
| 10:20.46 | haridas1 | Any idea about it ? |
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| 10:22.00 | babilen | haridas1: Show us your exact command, its output and that of "apt-cache policy" on http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 10:26.28 | haridas1 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/50175/ Here is the link. |
| 10:27.18 | TrinnyXXX | hi guys, how can i run a 32 bit app on a 64 bit debian? |
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| 10:27.38 | haridas1 | babilen: the policy thing showing it's getting the libkrb5support0 from amd64 repo... i'm not sure.. any thing wrong here ? |
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| 10:28.11 | babilen | haridas1: As you are running sid you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net ; Not entirely sure, but I guess that you can install libkrb5support0:amd64 and libkrb5support0:i386 explicitly |
| 10:28.52 | haridas1 | babilen: Let me try those. |
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| 10:29.12 | babilen | haridas1: I'd also remove all those unnecessary packages in due course. The output of "dpkg --configure -a" would also be of interest. |
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| 10:31.19 | haridas1 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/50181/ -- it processed all other packages I think. |
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| 10:32.18 | babilen | haridas1: Looks fine, not sure how you broke it but you must have had those scheduled for configuration (and installation) earlier. |
| 10:32.52 | haridas1 | babilen: Cool. It worked... I re installed skype... using dpkg. It installed fine. |
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| 10:33.32 | babilen | haridas1: And keep in mind to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net the next time. "dpkg --configure -a" simply configures all "pending" (i.e. unconfigured) packages |
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| 10:34.24 | haridas1 | babilen: I was trying to install skype, so it asked for certain dependency on i386 .. so i tried that with apt-get install -f. Then I got the issue of amd64 and i386 has package with same name... and dpkg failed to configure it. |
| 10:34.49 | haridas1 | babilen: Sure I will do that. Thank you very much for the directions. :) |
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| 10:35.09 | babilen | haridas1: You followed https://wiki.debian.org/skype ? |
| 10:35.30 | babilen | haridas1: You are welcome :) |
| 10:36.03 | haridas1 | babilen: I didn't do that this time, since I used to do that several times.. before when each time skype releases new version. :). |
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| 10:40.45 | t0ke | Hello. I'm currently running Ubuntu but I want to replace it with Debian. How can I do this but make sure the bootloader recognised Debian and stuff? |
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| 10:41.22 | t0ke | Ubuntu is currently running alongside Windows, but I want to keep the Windows partition intact |
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| 10:41.24 | colo-work | Debian will install its own grub anway |
| 10:41.57 | t0ke | Okay. But when I run the Debian installer, do I just tell it to install where ubuntu currently is? |
| 10:42.25 | colo-work | yup, that's basically it |
| 10:42.37 | colo-work | make sure to select manual partitioning |
| 10:42.41 | colo-work | and you should be fine |
| 10:42.54 | t0ke | and I've got a 4.2gb 'swap' partition, and an 'unknown' (according to disk utility) of the same size |
| 10:42.55 | t0ke | What do I do with those? |
| 10:43.02 | babilen | t0ke: You just choose the Ubuntu partitions and use them for Debian during the partitioning step. A new bootloader (managed by Debian) will be installed at the end. |
| 10:43.32 | ezra-s | "unknown partition" is probably recovery partition or similar crap for windows |
| 10:43.56 | t0ke | Okay, thanks guys |
| 10:43.59 | babilen | t0ke: 4.2 gb swap is quite massive, but totally fine. You simply use that one as "swap" for Debian too. No idea how you ended up with an unknown partition, but it might be of importance and I wouldn't necessarily touch it if you care about Windows. |
| 10:44.32 | ezra-s | swap is usually as much as RAM nowadays for hibernation |
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| 10:44.36 | babilen | t0ke: Do you know already which desktop environment you would like to use? Do you want to install from CD or USB? |
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| 10:45.22 | t0ke | Installing from cd, using a 200mb image (I think it's the net install one) |
| 10:45.40 | t0ke | And not sure on the desktop environment, was thinking I'd install Enlightenment after I've installed the base |
| 10:46.18 | ezra-s | E!? |
| 10:46.30 | ezra-s | that still in development? |
| 10:46.58 | Linuxman | Try gnome |
| 10:47.08 | t0ke | As far as I know haha |
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| 10:47.12 | babilen | t0ke: Ah, fair enough. You might want to use the installer image with firmware (if your hardware requires it) and I would recommend to install the "Standard" task. Please note that enlightenment in wheezy is probably not the enlightenment you are thinking of (it is e16 not e17) ... e17 is kind of a running joke for the last, well, 10 years or so as they never manage to release anything ;) |
| 10:47.18 | t0ke | Just need a pretty lightweight one that isn't Unity really |
| 10:47.30 | babilen | ezra-s: yes, they play the long game ;) |
| 10:48.02 | babilen | judd: v e17 |
| 10:48.03 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.999.70492-2; sid: 0.17.3-1 |
| 10:48.06 | t0ke | Firmware and standard task? :S |
| 10:48.09 | ezra-s | babilen, just checked their website, I noticed they changed the design, bold move! Still E17 |
| 10:48.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell t0ke -about firmware image |
| 10:49.45 | ezra-s | needs to try E again |
| 10:49.59 | ezra-s | goes to check windowmanager too |
| 10:50.50 | ezra-s | window maker that is |
| 10:50.53 | ezra-s | I even forgot the name |
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| 10:52.35 | babilen | t0ke: The "standard task" will be offered to you at the end and simply includes a number of tools that you would expect to be present on *every* Linux system. Good alternatives for windoe managers comprise: fluxbox, openbox, awesome, xmonad, i3 (the latter three are tiling) |
| 10:52.44 | t0ke | Right, so instead of debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso I need firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso? |
| 10:54.01 | babilen | t0ke: yeah, that image simply contains firmware that has been stripped from the kernel earlier. It might be that your hardware requires it, but you will still be asked to "insert" a removable medium with firmware on it. Just continue there if that's the case. |
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| 10:54.54 | t0ke | Okay cool :D |
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| 10:55.19 | ezra-s | t0ke, if you screw it up, let us know, we'll cheer for one less windows installation :o) |
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| 10:55.31 | t0ke | Really not sure why Ubuntu is running so slow on this laptop (way slower than Windows 7) |
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| 10:55.45 | t0ke | Lmao :P |
| 10:55.48 | ezra-s | t0ke, what is slower exactly? |
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| 10:55.58 | ezra-s | t0ke, cpu? graphically? |
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| 10:56.25 | t0ke | When I first login |
| 10:56.25 | t0ke | There's a few minutes before I can do anything |
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| 10:56.32 | ezra-s | few minutes? |
| 10:56.37 | ezra-s | darn |
| 10:56.46 | ezra-s | never seen that |
| 10:56.53 | cusco | hi folks, is there a way that I can provide a sftp/rsync access to a single directory to a single user ? |
| 10:57.09 | t0ke | It wasn't like it with a fresh install, so I'm guessing it's just that I have too much on here |
| 10:57.23 | ezra-s | t0ke, have you tried with a new account in the same system, see if it happens the same to that new account? like, create a new user call "test", login with it, see if you get the same delays |
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| 10:57.44 | t0ke | Either way, I wanted a fresh install of Debian, so I can take the time to learn more about Linux |
| 10:57.44 | ezra-s | t0ke, in any linux distro based on debian there is never anything like "too much" on it |
| 10:57.49 | cusco | I tried setting the shell to /usr/lib/stfp-server but can still browse the whole filesystem |
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| 10:59.16 | ezra-s | most slowing problems are usually driver related (do you use ati/nvidia?) or something in the DE config is screwed up, or maybe even a rogue daemon service (scrollkeeper or things like that), but those things are easy to spot and fix/kill/disable |
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| 11:00.06 | t0ke | Shitty integrated graphics :P |
| 11:00.10 | t0ke | Not sure which |
| 11:00.55 | t0ke | Not gonna try and fix it anyway, fresh Debian install soon :D |
| 11:01.52 | ezra-s | t0ke, your fingers will slip and windows partition is going to blow, I can feel it :D |
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| 11:02.29 | t0ke | Sure I'll survive :P |
| 11:02.37 | ezra-s | sure you will |
| 11:02.42 | t0ke | Only reason I have it anyway is to play League of Legends |
| 11:03.00 | ezra-s | me too, only to play games that only work on windows... hate that |
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| 11:03.21 | t0ke | Yeah, they released a mac version for that game, but no Linux :( |
| 11:03.31 | ezra-s | soon(tm) |
| 11:04.04 | ezra-s | valve is pushing linux for gaming like noboy has ever done before, we have a probable future without depending on microsoft |
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| 11:05.27 | t0ke | We can only hope |
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| 11:05.36 | t0ke | There are some great games already available on Linux |
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| 11:06.09 | t0ke | Been playing Xonotic lately with friends. It's like an up to date and cool looking Quake :P |
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| 11:07.44 | darklajid | I'm unpacking a .deb, killing a postinst file (replacing it with exit 0 really) and repack everything with dpkg-deb -b . ../somepackage.deb -> dpkg -c lists files below /usr/doc that I want, dpkg -i works without error, dpkg -L packagename lists /usr/share/doc stuff I want .. but it doesn't exist |
| 11:08.10 | darklajid | What's going wrong? Some weird 'don't install docs for most packages' magic that someone else might've set up on this system? |
| 11:08.24 | darklajid | Is there even a way to 'filter' installations like that? |
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| 11:17.55 | ezra-s | t0ke, I'm addicted to "Don't Starve" |
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| 11:19.32 | Mykathendu | V: |
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| 11:22.50 | reavengrey | hahaha |
| 11:22.54 | reavengrey | I have found the ultimate hack |
| 11:22.59 | reavengrey | yeyeye |
| 11:23.26 | reavengrey | Wine doesn't build from source unless you replace all of its required -dev packages with the i386 versions |
| 11:23.45 | reavengrey | Really dumb, cos -dev pkgs are headers, but ok |
| 11:24.13 | reavengrey | Replace all the required -dev pkgs with i386 versions, build, then reinstall the amd64 -dev pkgs |
| 11:24.16 | reavengrey | \o/ |
| 11:24.40 | bezaban | multiarch? |
| 11:25.14 | reavengrey | yup yup, :i386 |
| 11:26.10 | bezaban | then why would you need to replace the amd64 packages? can't you just install them in paralell? |
| 11:26.17 | bezaban | just trying to understand :) |
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| 11:26.27 | reavengrey | didn't replace them explicitly tbh |
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| 11:26.32 | bezaban | ah right. |
| 11:26.42 | bezaban | yes, multiarch is nice. |
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| 11:26.47 | reavengrey | I just ran the list, and APT decided it would be best to REMOVE the amd64 ones |
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| 11:34.00 | jelly | reavengrey: they are not coinstallable. Building stuff in a separate chroot is an option |
| 11:34.46 | reavengrey | Mm, that's a consideration |
| 11:34.55 | reavengrey | I need to learn chroot and how it works anyway |
| 11:35.20 | reavengrey | Best to try that after this and get acquainted |
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| 11:50.36 | Dudytz | hi all! how the good way to mount two directories (eg. /var and /home) to the related directories in the same other partition? ... eg: sda1 is the root, /var and /home are directories mounted in the sda2 partition (sda2->/var and sda2->/home) |
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| 11:52.46 | ksk | hey guys |
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| 11:53.18 | bejker | hi, can i install on debian a ubuntu package? |
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| 11:53.39 | ksk | i just setup a bridge by an howto from wiki.debian.org, however id like to see what these statements to - there is not really somehing about "bridge" in "man interfaces" nor apropos gives me any hint - how to find bridging commands for network/interfaces? thanks :) |
| 11:53.47 | ksk | !tell bejker about ubuntu |
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| 11:54.16 | ksk | bejker: sometimes it may work just without problems if its just a tiny tool, however this is not supported in here |
| 11:54.19 | Iridos | bejker, you can sometimes / in theory, but it's a pretty good way of running into lots of dependency problems later on |
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| 11:54.32 | moluozi | hi,all |
| 11:54.33 | Iridos | bejker, or so to say "don't do it" |
| 11:54.34 | jelly | bejker: is it possible? It is sometimes. Is it a good idea? No. Installing foreign packages can have unpredictable consequences, and such a system will not get support in here |
| 11:54.48 | moluozi | i am a newuser for debian linux |
| 11:54.55 | bejker | i need jockey-common package |
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| 11:55.01 | bejker | on debian 32bit |
| 11:55.07 | bejker | how to get that? |
| 11:55.16 | jelly | bejker: why do you need it? |
| 11:55.24 | bejker | to install steam |
| 11:55.38 | jelly | !steam |
| 11:55.38 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:56.03 | jelly | ,v steam |
| 11:56.04 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2 |
| 11:57.06 | bejker | i download binaries from official steam web, but when i try install that they showm my i have miss yockey-common |
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| 11:57.16 | bejker | i have stable debian |
| 11:57.23 | bejker | weeze |
| 11:57.24 | Iridos | Give me steam, And how you feel to make it real, Real as any place you've been, Get a life with the dreamer's dream |
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| 11:58.14 | moluozi | ä˝ ĺĄ˝ |
| 11:58.30 | jelly | bejker: don't use those. If you want, upgrade to jessie and install steam from there. |
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| 11:58.53 | ongolaBoy | ksk: did you read «brctl» or « bridge-utils-interfaces» man ? |
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| 11:59.15 | Iridos | Dudytz, I didn't understand what you wanted to ask and as nobody answered, I assume nobody else did either... you might want to rephrase it |
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| 12:00.11 | ksk | ongolaBoy: nope, and as " apropos bridge" didnt show the second one its probably not installed, will look at brctl if the configuration was right and the machine is responding after the reboot ;) thanks |
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| 12:01.10 | ongolaBoy | ksk: you should have these two when bridge-utils is installed |
| 12:01.52 | ksk | ongolaBoy: but it is not installed |
| 12:02.03 | quinso | I was installing some packages with apt-get and suddenly it's telling me of read-only file system: http://pastebin.com/2LHkDhr9 |
| 12:02.03 | quinso | Pls help - what does it mean and how do I fix it? |
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| 12:03.15 | moluozi | study |
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| 12:14.43 | DarsVaeda | can I redirect two a multisubdomain url via hosts? |
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| 12:14.57 | DarsVaeda | I did "127.0.0.1 foo.bar.url.com" |
| 12:15.04 | DarsVaeda | but that seems not to work |
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| 12:16.35 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: are you talking about apache and http requests? |
| 12:17.02 | DarsVaeda | I am not to sure where the hosts file belongs to actually |
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| 12:18.47 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: I am how sure what you are talking about. |
| 12:18.48 | tremon | DarsVaeda: the hosts file is part of the dns name resolution process. It doesn't handle urls |
| 12:19.26 | d3sync | DarsVaeda: additionally hosts only handles "local" requests |
| 12:19.30 | DarsVaeda | I add these lines to /etc/hosts "127.0.0.1 www.google.de" |
| 12:19.46 | DarsVaeda | this will redirect google.de to my localhost where ever I call it |
| 12:20.00 | tremon | quinso: looks like your disk is dying. Check dmesg |
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| 12:21.18 | tremon | quinso: alternatively (likely if you're running btrfs on /var), you may have hit a bug. Backup, reboot and hope for the best |
| 12:21.21 | DarsVaeda | now I do want to redirect "foo.bar.google.de" to my localhost but that does not work |
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| 12:21.55 | tremon | DarsVaeda: use a better editor? |
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| 12:22.34 | DarsVaeda | no the redirection is not working not the editing -.- |
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| 12:23.12 | DarsVaeda | why do I have so much problems communicating lately -.- |
| 12:23.29 | crabman | I am running fsck and it's giving me a lot of short read errors with numbers of blocks: n, n+1, n+2, ... Do I have a chance to recover my system after that? Or does it mean that my ssd probably died? |
| 12:23.56 | d3sync | DarsVaeda: do you have on your resolv.conf nameserver 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 12:24.20 | DarsVaeda | uhm... |
| 12:24.22 | DarsVaeda | again |
| 12:24.38 | DarsVaeda | "127.0.0.1 www.google.de" -> works |
| 12:24.59 | DarsVaeda | "127.0.0.1 foo.www.google.de" -> does not work |
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| 12:33.02 | tremon | DarsVaeda: what do "works" and "does not work" mean? How are you testing your modifications? |
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| 12:33.22 | DarsVaeda | by calling it in my browser |
| 12:33.47 | DarsVaeda | www.google.de will redirect to my localhost, whilst foo.www. will try to call google |
| 12:35.27 | OpenTokix | DarsVaeda: you probably have to adjust the server_name... somehow =) |
| 12:35.56 | tremon | try getent hosts $hostname in your terminal first, your browser may be caching dns entries |
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| 12:37.36 | DarsVaeda | that did it :) |
| 12:37.51 | DarsVaeda | thanks :D |
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| 12:39.06 | crabman | Do I need to run some command to rebuild boot environment after changing entries in fstab/crypttab? |
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| 12:39.45 | tremon | only if your modifications affected the root partition |
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| 12:39.51 | crabman | they did |
| 12:39.59 | crabman | So what do I need to do? |
| 12:40.57 | crabman | Is it "update-initramfs" that I need? |
| 12:41.14 | tremon | yes. But first, make sure that your current cryptdevice name for root matches a line in crypttab |
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| 12:41.37 | crabman | I haven't changed names there - only options |
| 12:41.41 | tremon | ok |
| 12:41.47 | tremon | update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 12:42.14 | crabman | ok thanks |
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| 12:57.02 | SolarAquarion | something is wrong with the audio of my system |
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| 12:59.40 | Overand | Woah. While Debian isn't old enough to be acceptable via 'the formula,' I could totally make out with Debian and not feel bad. |
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| 13:00.23 | Overand | (According to "The Formula", Debian could make out with a person or distro ranging from to 17 to 26 years old) |
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| 13:01.27 | babilen | Overand: You are probably looking for #debian-offtopic; this channel is for technical support and not relationship advice |
| 13:02.14 | Overand | babilen: Whoops! Thanks for the reminder. |
| 13:02.23 | babilen | np, see you there |
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| 13:04.38 | SolarAquarion | babilen, i tried playing a video but there was no sound. Help. |
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| 13:07.42 | SolarAquarion | furthermore lastfm says there's no ALSA on my system |
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| 13:08.04 | babilen | SolarAquarion: So, is there? Do you use pulseaudio? |
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| 13:09.17 | SolarAquarion | babilen, how do i check if I have pulseaudio |
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| 13:10.10 | babilen | SolarAquarion: Does "pgrep pulseaudio" return a PID ? |
| 13:10.34 | SolarAquarion | babilen, yes |
| 13:11.00 | SolarAquarion | babilen, i know what i did wrong |
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| 13:11.19 | babilen | SolarAquarion: Please enlighten me :) |
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| 13:12.11 | SolarAquarion | babilen, the speakers weren't plugged in |
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| 13:13.54 | babilen | SolarAquarion: Well, ... I'm not going to comment on that :) |
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| 13:18.39 | jhutchins | I once went on a $300 emergency service call for a monitor that wasn't plugged in. |
| 13:19.09 | koollman | jhutchins: I prefer that way than the opposite way. a rountine check that becomes a nightmare :) |
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| 13:21.55 | koollman | example (not quite 'nightmare' but still unexpected and bad enough): I just updated a ssl certificate. simple operation. put the correct file in place, restart the service using it. But the configuration was modified long ago and not tested, it didn't restart. it's the company's jabber server, no communication while I try to understand what changed |
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| 13:29.23 | jimcooncat | Is there such a thing as encrypted IRC, Jabber over SSH, perhaps something with I2P -- that I can easily set up with debian and be able to distribute simple clients for different platforms? |
| 13:30.18 | jhutchins | koollman: So as far as you know, it was not in a condition for a successful restart _before_ you changed the ssl. |
| 13:30.29 | jhutchins | koollman: You dodn't leave the password on the ssl cert, did you? |
| 13:30.58 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: Yeah, most irc servers offer it. |
| 13:31.04 | themill | jimcooncat: you can connect to irc servers or jabber servers using encrypted connections |
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| 13:31.35 | jimcooncat | jhutchins, themill: this is something I can set up on my own server? |
| 13:32.01 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: Prob'ly. http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 13:32.13 | jimcooncat | thanks jhutchins |
| 13:32.16 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: irc over ssl. |
| 13:32.30 | themill | jimcooncat: sure, it's pretty standard functionality |
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| 13:33.15 | jimcooncat | I'll just have to set up clients for noobs with my self-signed cert already installed. thanks themill |
| 13:33.37 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: Here is an argument against it: https://www.quakenet.org/articles/99-trust-is-not-transitive-or-why-irc-over-ssl-is-pointless |
| 13:33.53 | themill | jimcooncat: yeah, cert distribution is the difficult thing |
| 13:34.50 | themill | jhutchins: that page completely misses the reasons people want to use encrypted connections to irc servers |
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| 13:36.37 | jhutchins | Still, it makes a point. |
| 13:36.48 | themill | just a largely irrelevant one |
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| 13:39.31 | jimcooncat | It seems that someone would have to do a lot of work to become the MITM, and get lucky that the user doesn't verify the fingerprint. It is a good point, though, which I'll want to see if I can automate host key checking. |
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| 13:39.49 | mumpitze1 | users never check |
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| 13:40.14 | jimcooncat | mumpitze1: they're on my payroll, so there may be in incentive... |
| 13:40.30 | jimcooncat | s/in/an |
| 13:40.32 | mumpitze1 | lol |
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| 13:49.48 | ongolaBoy | ksk: sorry to reply so late. If bridge-utils is not installed, you can't use bridge |
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| 13:56.46 | mjt | ongolaBoy: a small nitpick.. current iproute (ip util) is able to configure bridge... ;) |
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| 13:56.59 | Burps | Hi : is it possible to have simultaneously OpenJDK and Oracle JDK in different dir ? I'd like OpenJDK mostly, but some app require Oracle 's one :( |
| 13:57.34 | mjt | when oracle/sun jdk were available in debian (in squeeze), each were installed into its own subdir in /usr/lib/java/ |
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| 13:59.14 | Burps | hmm, OK, I have in /usr/lib/jvm/default-java which is a symlink to OpenJDK... I guesse I can play with that |
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| 13:59.44 | mjt | one _browser_ usually can't run more than one java |
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| 13:59.57 | mjt | or, rather, be configured to use more than one |
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| 14:00.08 | themill | that symlink isn't relevant to which java is used -- you shouldn't need that |
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| 14:00.38 | babilen | Burps: It is, you might want to look into java-package. It should be pointed out that OpenJDK is the reference implementation and that programs really shouldn't rely on Oracle's JDK |
| 14:00.55 | mjt | nods |
| 14:01.21 | themill | yeah, please pester whoever wrote the thing that doesn't work with openjdk to fix their java |
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| 14:02.22 | Burps | (netbeans...) |
| 14:02.46 | themill | I thought that was supposed to work fine with openjdk-7 |
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| 14:03.40 | Burps | dpkg -l |grep jdk --> openjdk-6-jdk:amd64 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb7u1 |
| 14:03.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep jdk --> openjdk-6-jdk:amd64 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb7u1 |
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| 14:04.21 | toki1 | hi4everyone |
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| 14:05.01 | themill | Burps: so you might be interested in installing openjdk-7-jdk in any case then |
| 14:06.03 | mjt | why orrible develops their own java when openjdk exists? ;) |
| 14:06.06 | ongolaBoy | mjt: really ? can you give me more details ? |
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| 14:06.10 | mjt | actually 2 javas :) |
| 14:06.18 | wfq | hi guys |
| 14:06.19 | mjt | or 3 |
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| 14:07.43 | tremon | is there a good way to configure a roaming laptop for different network profiles? Specifically, I'm looking to set apt and global proxies based on the wireless or wired network my laptop is connected to |
| 14:07.53 | Burps | themill: I had not seen I could install openjdk7... I don't even remember how I installed the 6... Thank you, I'll let you know |
| 14:07.55 | wfq | We have migrated from Centos to Debian and are having some problems with this script: http://pastebin.com/aPmyaZQn .After debugging the problem I just realized that Debian generates two processes: one that runes the php script and another one that run the bash script -shell_exec. Apparently this did not happen when the script was running in Centos |
| 14:08.10 | ksk | ongolaBoy: yap, i figured this out, too - after a while;) many thanks |
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| 14:08.53 | wfq | In Centros the process loading the shell wasn't actually created or at least wasn't counted so line 12 was always false. Does anyone have any idea? |
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| 14:09.20 | jelly | wfq: I suspect that's how shell_exec(), apparently a wrapper for system(), works |
| 14:09.34 | mjt | wfq: it looks like you're hitting a good race condition in your code |
| 14:09.45 | ongolaBoy | mjt: how do you configure bridge with the 'ip' command ? |
| 14:09.54 | themill | tremon: "whereami" is designed for that sort of use case (in the vaguest sense of the word). I don't know how well it works with something like network-manager which would be the logical profile manager. I've not used it for over a decade. |
| 14:10.13 | wfq | mjt, jelly I would have never ever in my entire life code such crap but unfortunately I have inherited it as such |
| 14:10.16 | mjt | wfq: the diff here is kernel-dependent, more recent kernels started to run child processes a bit differently |
| 14:10.22 | tremon | thx, I'll look into it |
| 14:10.36 | jelly | wfq: at the very least use pgrep instead of "ps aux | grep TestingCron | grep -v grep" |
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| 14:11.16 | mjt | ongolaBoy: see help for `ip link' |
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| 14:11.37 | mjt | ongolaBoy: in wheezy it is a bit limited, jessie/testing has a more realistic implementation |
| 14:11.39 | wfq | mjt, I was afraid that kernels would be involved here |
| 14:11.47 | themill | wfq: btw something like lckdo run from cron itself lets you get rid of a lot of that smell straight away |
| 14:11.52 | wfq | jelly, sorry why should I use pgrep instead please? |
| 14:11.53 | mjt | wfq: it should fail on a more recent centos too |
| 14:12.06 | ongolaBoy | mjt: ok I see. does it mean that i do not have to install bridge-utils in wheezy ? |
| 14:12.28 | jelly | wfq: the current way of checking for running processes is incorrect and a bit wasteful |
| 14:12.31 | tremon | mjt: just out of interest, are you referring to cgroups, or has something else changed when spawning processes? got a link? |
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| 14:13.04 | mjt | ongolaBoy: i have to remind me that I said "small nitpick" -- ie, it is actually possible to use bridges without bridge-utils. I nevers said it is easy or should be done without bridge-utils... ;) |
| 14:13.08 | koollman | jhutchins: I know I should have tried a restart first. and, no, it was completely not related to the ssl certificate, but a change in the hostname :) |
| 14:13.18 | ongolaBoy | mjt: ok ;) |
| 14:13.35 | mjt | tremon: there was several attempts to change _order_ of executions after fork - which process is run first |
| 14:13.44 | wfq | jelly sorry for insisting, how do you suggest they should do such thing |
| 14:13.48 | wfq | any link I can follow please? |
| 14:14.15 | jelly | wfq: er, the link would be "read the fine pgrep(1) manual" |
| 14:14.21 | mjt | tremon: the idea was to give the child a try first, before the parent is resumed, in a hope that most proceesses spawned by shell will be waited for by the shell... |
| 14:14.49 | tremon | mjt: thanks |
| 14:15.13 | mjt | wfq: but indeed, my lckdo should do the trick just fine here, it is exactly the thing this util is designed for... ;) |
| 14:15.22 | wfq | jelly ok. I was trying to find out what the difference is between pgrep and grep so that I use it |
| 14:15.32 | mjt | just use lckdo ;) |
| 14:15.52 | mjt | (i think it's packaged in miscutils in debian) |
| 14:15.56 | themill | moreutils |
| 14:16.11 | mjt | oh. even more-misc-utils :) |
| 14:16.14 | wfq | mjt, I will have a look at lckdo |
| 14:16.34 | themill | although the silly author of lckdo seems to think it's deprecated and we should use flock instead... |
| 14:16.48 | themill | I don't want to rewrite dozens of crontabs... |
| 14:16.54 | mjt | huh? |
| 14:17.01 | mjt | i never said it's deprecated |
| 14:17.07 | themill | your man page does ;) |
| 14:17.34 | wfq | just read that I should use flock |
| 14:17.54 | themill | lckdo(1): Now that util-linux contains a similar command named flock, lckdo is deprecated, and will be removed from some future version of moreutils. |
| 14:18.05 | jelly | ok, there's a flock(1)? |
| 14:18.25 | mjt | themill: i didn't wrote this part of the manpage |
| 14:18.33 | themill | yeah, I gathered that |
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| 14:18.49 | themill | if joeyh removed lckdo, he is likely to get burnt at the stake |
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| 14:19.15 | mjt | maybe this tiny functionality should be integrated into flock |
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| 14:19.40 | mjt | .. if it isn't the same thing actually ;) |
| 14:19.55 | wfq | so should I use lckdo or flock finally? |
| 14:20.14 | mjt | i haven't seen flock before now :) |
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| 14:20.37 | themill | mjt: it probably is identical but with a slightly different syntax and therefore ln -s flock lckdo probably doesn't work. |
| 14:21.03 | mjt | so it looks like it does the same thing as lckdo, so i'd say use flock as it is more standard nowadays, even if i wrote lckdo ;) |
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| 14:24.07 | mjt | themill: don't blame joeyh if he chooses to remove lckdo, -- having the same functionality repeated in numerous places isn't good.. ;) |
| 14:24.43 | themill | mjt: then it could be replaced by a shell wrapper for flock rather than removed |
| 14:24.54 | themill | I see no point in breaking setups that work |
| 14:24.59 | mjt | and besides, since this thing is used so often in cronjobs, maybe cron should have this functionality built in... |
| 14:25.14 | themill | I think that's called systemd, isn't it? |
| 14:25.22 | mjt | (but.. who develops cron this days.,. maybe systemd? |
| 14:25.22 | mjt | er |
| 14:25.23 | mjt | heh |
| 14:25.24 | mjt | lol |
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| 14:27.23 | wfq | mjt,jelly and cia: Just found this http://serverfault.com/questions/82857/prevent-duplicate-cron-jobs-running . Thanks guys, the solution was in front of my nose. |
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| 14:28.24 | mjt | wfq: just one caveat, maybe it's better to use /run instead of /tmp... |
| 14:28.29 | jelly | "I can't not upvote a tricky use of fd redirection" |
| 14:28.43 | wfq | is there any risk on installing moreutils on server? Any security problem I may have to be aware of? |
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| 14:29.09 | wfq | mjt, why /run is better please? |
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| 14:29.19 | mjt | runs away :) |
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| 14:30.31 | mjt | the last "solution" in there is the most awesome, PIDFILE=/tmp/`basename $0`.pid |
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| 14:31.28 | mjt | wfq: one if "security 911" rules: never, EVER, put files with predictable names into world-writable directories |
| 14:31.44 | mjt | s/if/of/ |
| 14:32.02 | themill | where could it possibly go wrong? |
| 14:35.11 | jelly | in /tmp! |
| 14:38.51 | wfq | mjt thanks guys |
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| 14:45.33 | troulouliou_dev | hi can i install debian wheezy and keep it up to date on an olc cpu that do not support movbe instruction |
| 14:45.43 | troulouliou_dev | hi have issue installingubuntu raring on it |
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| 14:46.33 | jelly | troulouliou_dev: olc cpu? What architecture is that? |
| 14:46.51 | troulouliou_dev | jelly, 1 sec need to check in the bios |
| 14:47.04 | jelly | troulouliou_dev: is it a PC? |
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| 14:47.18 | jelly | was that a typo for "old" cpu |
| 14:47.45 | troulouliou_dev | jelly, yes and not that old but i have a message error with ubuntu installer : the kernel requires the following features from your cpu : movbe |
| 14:47.52 | troulouliou_dev | so i hope that i can install debian on it |
| 14:48.28 | jelly | I have no idea what they mean by that |
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| 14:50.41 | troulouliou_dev | jelly, it looks like just an old atom , nothing in the bios; intel processor(R) 1.66 Ghz in boot screen |
| 14:51.03 | jelly | 32bit debian ought to work |
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| 14:56.05 | mumpitze1 | jelly: movbe is a intel x86 instruction, found in atom and now haswell. movbe = move big endian |
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| 15:16.23 | jhutchins | Pretty sure my ltsp box is an atom and never had to do anything special for it. |
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| 15:26.02 | troulouliou_dev | jhutchins, jelly i don't understand too and bios don't have that much features |
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| 15:34.18 | petn-randall | HideMe: Debian has them in the non-free repository. |
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| 15:35.04 | troulouliou_dev | isthere a command to see wich modules are loaded by a pci or usb device |
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| 15:35.59 | troulouliou_dev | sharky, lsmod don't have the associated devices ? |
| 15:36.25 | petn-randall | troulouliou_dev: lspci -v | less |
| 15:36.26 | sharky | troulouliou_dev, lsmod lists all the loaded modules |
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| 15:36.34 | petn-randall | troulouliou_dev: lsusb -v | less |
| 15:37.02 | troulouliou_dev | petn-randall, ha ok thanks |
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| 15:37.20 | petn-randall | troulouliou_dev: You can the look up the device and there will be a field for which driver it uses. |
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| 16:00.28 | pii3 | hi |
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| 16:00.38 | pii3 | i have a server i forgot username |
| 16:00.42 | pii3 | but i know password |
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| 16:02.31 | oupateddie | I have a Huawei E220 modem/dongle which I try to connect to my Ubuntu 12.04 laptop. When I plug in the moden it starts to flash a blue light, but I can't get it to connect to the internet. I would like to remove all files related to the automatic installation and try a fresh install of the modem. Will that be advisable |
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| 16:04.20 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell oupateddie -about ubuntu |
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| 16:04.54 | oupateddie | I know about ubuntu's group but I am not getting any help there |
| 16:05.31 | petn-randall | oupateddie: Read the message again. Ubuntu is still not supported here, regardless if they give you help or not. |
| 16:07.19 | oupateddie | petn-randall thanks I'll go back there. Sorry for troubling you |
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| 16:11.49 | ksdncv | hello, short question, placing /usr as a symlink to a partition on an md that is mounted during boot still works with debian? |
| 16:12.54 | b0lt | ksdncv: i would assume so, but why not simply mount that partition on /usr? |
| 16:13.46 | ksdncv | because the partition is a home directory on a raid |
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| 16:14.01 | b0lt | so? |
| 16:14.04 | petn-randall | ksdncv: I would do a bind mount, that's safer. |
| 16:14.13 | ksdncv | kind of a hack to place / on a compact flash for booting to retire a disk |
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| 16:14.59 | tesla_dv | Hi, I'm having trouble enabling module debugging for the xhci_hcd module. I've compiled the 11.2 kernel with dynamic_debug option enabled. I'm also passing the xhci_hcd.dyndbg=+p statement as a kernel parameter. This causes the system to not boot. Is there something I'm doing wrong here? |
| 16:15.01 | ksdncv | also thought of a bind, but not sure if there is any difference |
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| 16:16.21 | b0lt | ksdncv: you want a bind mount |
| 16:16.42 | b0lt | ksdncv: it will be compatible in more special cases |
| 16:16.50 | petn-randall | ksdncv: With a symlink, the directory above surely isn't the directory you came from. With a bind mount there is. Also, programs need to follow symlinks. |
| 16:17.11 | ksdncv | long ago had the same with a symlink without trouble, but the above directory point is a good one |
| 16:17.16 | ksdncv | thanks for the suggestions |
| 16:17.25 | ksdncv | will try with a bind instead of a symlink |
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| 16:18.17 | b0lt | tesla_dv: 11.2 kernel? |
| 16:18.31 | tesla_dv | b0lt: correct. |
| 16:18.37 | tesla_dv | oops 3.2 |
| 16:18.39 | tesla_dv | sorry :) |
| 16:18.48 | tesla_dv | jesus, 3.11! |
| 16:19.17 | tesla_dv | too much coffee... |
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| 16:20.03 | b0lt | tesla_dv: providing some details may help. "not boot" is kind of vague |
| 16:20.58 | tesla_dv | b0lt: the screen turns black, most likely a problem with xf86-video-intel driver. I'm unable to provide any logs of it happening as it happens right after LUKs crypt key is entered |
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| 16:21.18 | tesla_dv | either way I'm looking for the correct way to enable debugging of modules in the kernel. |
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| 16:30.31 | C00re | i'm surprised.. doesnt debian come with a C(++) compiler? like gcc/g++ |
| 16:31.00 | jelly-home | C00re: correct |
| 16:31.02 | C00re | tried to compile a thing and it spotted out "no C compiler found" |
| 16:31.05 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 16:31.06 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 16:31.26 | jhutchins | I didn't think 3.11 was available for debian yet... |
| 16:31.34 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 16:31.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 16:32.04 | jelly-home | C00re: you might like the build-essential metapackage |
| 16:32.32 | C00re | okay, will check it out |
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| 16:32.49 | jhutchins | Ok, so it's out now. I'm surprized they pushed 3.10 to jessie & backports, I heard there were problems. |
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| 16:33.32 | jelly-home | 3.10 was agreed a long-term maintained one, so if there're problems, they're going to be fixed |
| 16:33.47 | jelly-home | accidentally the verb |
| 16:34.17 | jhutchins | fortunately, the milk. |
| 16:34.22 | petn-randall | jelly-home: The whole one?! |
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| 16:36.54 | C00re | yay! now i can compile stuff :D |
| 16:37.04 | C00re | thanks jelly! |
| 16:37.19 | jelly-home | !cake C00re |
| 16:37.20 | C00re | throws over a beer |
| 16:37.35 | jelly-home | no cake for you apparently |
| 16:38.03 | C00re | i had a cinamon roll instead :) |
| 16:38.08 | C00re | cinamon roll day :D |
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| 16:45.12 | monkwitdafunk | Hi #debian, i installed debian but i cant login after installing |
| 16:45.24 | b0lt | monkwitdafunk: what's stopping you? |
| 16:45.33 | monkwitdafunk | Do i use the password for root? |
| 16:45.48 | b0lt | monkwitdafunk: that would be appropriate if you're trying to login as root |
| 16:46.26 | monkwitdafunk | thats so weird. I need to check the integrity of my optical disc once more |
| 16:46.49 | monkwitdafunk | I installed it twice and was unable to login |
| 16:47.22 | MraMaria | hi all. please, which might be the more complete icon theme for a graphical installation (i have xfce4). I'm trying to reduce system size and i've aptitude removed some of it. However i get now some items without icons - that's why i'm asking you... |
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| 16:47.33 | jhutchins | monkwitdafunk: At one point in the install it should ask you to create a user - usually right after you give it the password for root. What login screen are you on? Are you logging in as root or as a user you created? |
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| 16:49.32 | monkwitdafunk | The farthest i went is the login screen after install |
| 16:49.50 | monkwitdafunk | Weird... |
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| 16:52.10 | petn-randall | MraMaria: Unless you're trying to build embedded systems it's not worth the trouble. Disk space is *CHEAP* and another 500 MB in packages will take up space you'll never miss. |
| 16:52.22 | b0lt | monkwitdafunk: which login screen? tty= some gui? |
| 16:52.44 | monkwitdafunk | I see the hostname for the login screen |
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| 16:53.01 | monkwitdafunk | Shouldnt i use root pass to get in? |
| 16:53.18 | mtn | monkwitdafunk: doesn't it ask for username first? |
| 16:53.22 | MraMaria | petn-randall: that's not what i asked ... i have no clue why you want things either - eacho one has it's own wishes... |
| 16:53.28 | monkwitdafunk | is it possible to check the integrity of a disc after burning? |
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| 16:54.47 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: You should never use root to log into a GUI. |
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| 16:55.21 | C00re | hmh.. am going to install tcl/tcl-dev but i noticed there is a tcl8.4/tcl.4-dev too, are they the same version? |
| 16:55.46 | somiaj | monkwitdafunk: you can compare the md5sum of the cd (/dev/cdrom) to the md5sum of the image. They should be the same. |
| 16:56.09 | MraMaria | could you please give me a suggestion of a basic but complete icon theme so i could have, for instance, icons on the file manager (and pls don't come with non relevant arguments) |
| 16:56.27 | somiaj | though I have had issues with some cdrom devices not ending correctly giving me a bad md5sum though the burn was good. |
| 16:56.27 | petn-randall | MraMaria: Probably nobody cares, since it's a dependency that gets pulled in. I'm just saying that nobody's going to worry over a little disk space at currently 3ct/GB |
| 16:56.28 | monkwitdafunk | Ok. Thank you. I just adopted debian for the first time |
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| 16:57.32 | MraMaria | petn-randall: i don't care about promoting disks, clouds, or whatever or wherever to put files, so ... |
| 16:59.00 | b0lt | MraMaria: i suggest you simply try a few different icon themes and find one you like. you can also combine them and make your own with most desktop environments |
| 16:59.24 | somiaj | MraMaria: If you don't like the debian icon theme packages because they contain extra stuff, an alternative is go find an xfce icon theme, and put it in your $HOME directory for your user. I belive $HOME/.icons is a place you can put themes and confgiure xfce to use it. |
| 16:59.50 | MraMaria | b0lt: thanks a lot. i did try... i'm trying to avoid gnome, but i think i'll go back to it. |
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| 17:00.22 | vn | hi, I'm trying to install debian on a HD that has already ubuntu and w7 but it creates the new partition as logical, is that a problem? |
| 17:00.23 | MraMaria | somiaj: i ment stock icon themes :p |
| 17:00.28 | somiaj | if you are worried about disk space, gnome is actually quite large. Maybe go even lighter with lxde or a nice simple wm |
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| 17:00.35 | b0lt | ghome seems like a weird idea if you're trying to keep the size down |
| 17:00.38 | b0lt | that. |
| 17:00.39 | petn-randall | vn: no. |
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| 17:01.09 | MraMaria | b00b: that's why i tried to remove it. but end out ben with some missing icons on "things" |
| 17:01.18 | MraMaria | ben/been |
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| 17:01.23 | vn | petn-randall: then why the need of primary vs logical? |
| 17:01.50 | petn-randall | MraMaria: If don't want to install the 'xfce4' meta package, feel free to look through it's dependency list to identify the icon theme. Those metapackages are provided for a reason ... |
| 17:02.10 | MraMaria | b00b: i'mdoing an experiment on a virtual machine, which the main point is leaving only core packages (up to a certain point) |
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| 17:02.31 | diverdude | How do this on the debian version of apache? httpd -V |
| 17:02.40 | somiaj | vn: the old partition format (MBR partition format) only allowed 4 primary partitions, so logical were then added inside a primary partition to have more than 4 on your hd |
| 17:02.41 | jhutchins | vn: A limitation that originated in DOS, you can't have more than four primary partitions. If you need more, one of the four has to be the root of the logical partitions. |
| 17:02.43 | petn-randall | vn: Because the MS-DOS partition table has a partition limit. |
| 17:02.58 | MraMaria | ok, thanks to all |
| 17:03.12 | vn | so..that doesn't apply anymore, why are these "tags" still existing? |
| 17:03.14 | somiaj | vn: linux can run off either just fine (some oses can't). If you don't need more than 4 partitions or you use the new GPT partition table you don't have that issue |
| 17:03.30 | jhutchins | MraMaria: debbootstrap installs a pretty minimal system. You can leave the GUI off entirely. |
| 17:03.31 | somiaj | vn: oh it still applies if you use the old partition standard, which many people still do. |
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| 17:03.54 | monkwitdafunk | #debian, can LVM partitions use the ext4 filesystem? |
| 17:04.02 | jhutchins | GPT doesn't use the primary/logical concept, does it? |
| 17:04.04 | vn | well, first installed W7, then ubuntu, then this...I'll end up with 9 partitions |
| 17:04.21 | vn | unsure if mbr or gpt |
| 17:04.25 | somiaj | MraMaria: with aptitude you can easily remove all packages that are not of standard priority and higher and return your current install to the base system |
| 17:04.34 | jhutchins | vn: Yeah, so if you're MBR format you'll need logicals. |
| 17:04.35 | somiaj | jhutchins: as far as I know it doesn't, that was one of the reasons of switching to it. |
| 17:04.50 | MraMaria | jhutchins: thanks for the tip :) |
| 17:04.51 | somiaj | vn: you can do it with mbr style partitions, you just need to make them logical |
| 17:04.53 | jhutchins | vn: I would recommend that you use two partitions for Ubuntu - Swap and Root only. |
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| 17:05.42 | jhutchins | vn: Er, I mean Debian - you're installing Debian, aren't you. |
| 17:05.59 | vn | jhutchins: yes, I have a common swap space for all distros |
| 17:06.10 | vn | and then the / mount point |
| 17:06.38 | jhutchins | vn: Common swap works. Common /home MIGHT work, but there is the risk of configuration files for different versions of software in $HOME. |
| 17:06.52 | vn | jhutchins: and permissions... |
| 17:07.13 | MraMaria | somiaj: i did it. it takes too long. i even did a 'apt-get purge $(dpkg-query -Wf '${Package;-40}${Priority}\n' | awk '$2 ~ /optional|extra/ { print $1 }') ' which turned out being tweaking grub2 |
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| 17:08.00 | vn | well thanks everyone, I'm trying that and will advise |
| 17:08.14 | somiaj | vn: as long as you adjust the uid/gid numbers to match across the various distros, permisions wll work fine. |
| 17:08.52 | somiaj | but sharing $HOME can be annoying. I tried that once, and the slight differences in versions caused a few problems that appeared between booting back and forth. Though then I stoped dual booting anyways. |
| 17:09.39 | MraMaria | somiaj: have in ming i put that command line just as a testing purpose... to see it, by curiosity. |
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| 17:09.59 | somiaj | MraMaria: I also said use aptitude |
| 17:10.00 | MraMaria | grrrr ming/mind |
| 17:10.19 | MraMaria | somiaj: got it :) |
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| 17:11.45 | somiaj | MraMaria: aptitude pruge ~pextra~poptional -- will purge all extra and optional packages |
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| 17:12.22 | MraMaria | ohh, that'sa good one, somiaj . my idea is having a minimal xfce4 tough |
| 17:13.21 | somiaj | MraMaria: if you want minimial you may find learning how to configure a WM of your liking much easier. desktops by design are not minimial to me. (: |
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| 17:14.22 | MraMaria | somiaj: indeed. unless one cuts some services and startup apps after installing a minimal desktop |
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| 17:17.52 | ttpearso | Having an interesting issue - some of my debian DomUs pickup LV resizes (and allow for online resize of ext4), but others require a reboot. Anyone else run across it? |
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| 17:19.08 | MraMaria | btw, is 'debfoster' revived somewhere or another package with the intent of easily track all packages installations for an easy "undo"? |
| 17:19.21 | Dark_light | I'm having issues with the wheezy installer on a thinkpad t400, it fails at scanning disks or better it just sits there |
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| 17:23.09 | rtc | i installed tor on debian but I cant fidnd it lol |
| 17:23.12 | rtc | where is located? |
| 17:23.26 | mjt | dpkg -L tor |
| 17:23.27 | dpkg | ii tor 3.1-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 17:23.30 | mjt | heh |
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| 17:36.18 | rryoumaa | are there any info pages for bash in any package? |
| 17:36.35 | rryoumaa | all i have is the man page |
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| 17:39.17 | jcbjoe | anyone get tht ? i swear the debian install changed according to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en |
| 17:40.44 | jcbjoe | shouldn't matter if i use a live dvd |
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| 17:42.22 | somiaj | jcbjoe: what do you mean? What changed? Not the installer on the live images from debian.live.net is not the same as the debian-installer used on the default debian install images. |
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| 17:45.14 | Improv | In an init script, how do I run something that might not have a return code of 0 without having my script end then and there? |
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| 17:45.56 | somiaj | Improv: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:46.15 | Improv | somiaj: Custom init script that uses killall on something that might or might not be running |
| 17:46.17 | somiaj | returning non-zero return codes means there is an error. |
| 17:46.51 | Improv | somiaj: I'd like my script to keep running if it encounters an error with certain commands. |
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| 17:47.41 | Improv | Oh. "set -e" is what does that. |
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| 17:48.00 | Improv | Cool. I can just turn that off near commands where I don't care. |
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| 18:01.40 | billy__ | with the default /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get upgrade will it ONLY install the security updates? |
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| 18:06.06 | cfree | well I got the rtl8188ce driver working, the card was able to scan for wifi networks and even connect to unsecured ones some of the time, but it pretty much failed to connect all the time lol |
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| 18:06.51 | cfree | As luck would have it I had a broadcom bcm43225 knocking around |
| 18:07.17 | cfree | I pulled it out of a router years ago and only kept it because it was so small and cute - it just happens to fit! |
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| 18:08.24 | cfree | on the rtl8188ce there was only one antenna connection with a black cable going to it, the bcm43225 has 2, as far as I'm aware this shouldn't be a problem but we'll see |
| 18:08.38 | dareth | billy_ http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-debian-package-management-cheat-sheet.html |
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| 18:09.23 | t0ke | Is there a way to find out the current Desktop Environment I'm using? |
| 18:09.38 | t0ke | Just got a fresh install of Ubuntu and I have no clue, it looks sweet though |
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| 18:11.20 | cfree | t0ke: is there a bar at the top and bottom of your screen? |
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| 18:11.28 | cheri | hi I am looking for a tool that can help me notify if any changes are made to my configuration files and it should also tell me what was changed to what |
| 18:11.30 | rryoumaa | t0ke: this is debian; ubuntu might do that differently. but maybe it's called unity or something? |
| 18:11.53 | cheri | can anyone advise me on this |
| 18:11.54 | t0ke | I meant to say Debian haha |
| 18:12.03 | rryoumaa | cheri: etckeeper and debsums |
| 18:12.13 | t0ke | I've just switched FROM Ubuntu |
| 18:12.20 | DandyPandy | Can anyone see a problem with adding pam_limits.so to /etc/pam.d/common-session? |
| 18:12.27 | cheri | thanks rryoumaa I'll check them out |
| 18:12.30 | t0ke | It says 'Activities' on the top left, and the day/time is at the top of my screen |
| 18:12.39 | t0ke | Any ideas which Desktop Environment I'm using? |
| 18:12.49 | berarma | t0ke: it's Gnome |
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| 18:12.59 | cfree | t0ke: gnome by default |
| 18:13.16 | bezaban | cheri: tripwire should be able to do this with some custom policies and actions |
| 18:13.25 | t0ke | Sweet, I'm liking it |
| 18:13.30 | bezaban | cheri: although if you're setting one up for every file you might aswell script something :/ |
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| 18:14.22 | rryoumaa | cheri: there are also integrity checkers to tell you if something changed, and fileschanged |
| 18:14.24 | t0ke | Another question. I want to install Keepass2. I found the .deb file and tried to install it, but it has a dependency (libmono or something). Is there a way to automatically install dependencies or will I have to get it manually? |
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| 18:15.03 | berarma | t0ke: can you find it in Debian? |
| 18:15.09 | berarma | can't* |
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| 18:15.17 | bezaban | t0ke: do you need keepass2? I think there is some version of keypass (keypassX?) in the standard repositories |
| 18:15.17 | psycheye | howdy |
| 18:15.19 | psycheye | :-) |
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| 18:15.37 | neeky | I have 2 usb audio devices on my debian + gnome desktop, and want system sounds to go to one, and one I want to send media from an audio player like rhythmbox to. is this possible without JACK? |
| 18:15.42 | t0ke | berarma: I found it here http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/keepass2/download |
| 18:15.43 | psycheye | someone help me about an issue with apache please? |
| 18:15.44 | bezaban | t0ke: actually, keypass2 is in |
| 18:15.56 | bezaban | t0ke: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install keepass2 |
| 18:16.01 | berarma | ,v keepass2 |
| 18:16.02 | judd | Package: keepass2 on i386 -- jessie: 2.19+dfsg-2; wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-2; sid: 2.23+dfsg-1 |
| 18:16.10 | t0ke | bezaban: Keepassx isn't compatible with the file I use unfortunately |
| 18:16.11 | cheri | rryoumaa: I know how subversion thing works I want something similar to that |
| 18:16.14 | neeky | I actually want all sounds except my audio player to go to one, and audio player sounds to only go to the otehr |
| 18:16.29 | bezaban | t0ke: see my last answer :) |
| 18:16.30 | rryoumaa | cheri: you can probably make ti work with subversion |
| 18:16.31 | t0ke | Ahhh, okay |
| 18:16.33 | cheri | I don't know if these integrity tools can do the job |
| 18:16.35 | t0ke | Thanks |
| 18:17.02 | neeky | so youtube, email alerts, etc go to my desktop speakers, and music goes to my hifi setup |
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| 18:17.17 | cheri | I need to setup a subversion and hook it up right |
| 18:17.19 | t0ke | When doing a sudo command, I get 't0ke is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' |
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| 18:17.23 | rryoumaa | the problem with etckeeper is that it makes no distinction between the changes that you make and the changes that aptitude makes. ideally it would at least mark the changes you made in some way. |
| 18:17.36 | rryoumaa | cheri: etckeeper |
| 18:17.37 | neeky | t0ke, you need to be in the sudoers file |
| 18:17.38 | berarma | cheri: try etckeeper |
| 18:18.02 | cheri | ok I will try first etckeeper |
| 18:18.04 | neeky | su root, edit /etc/sudoers, the login again |
| 18:18.07 | cheri | thanks guys |
| 18:18.38 | berarma | neeky: why not better do "adduser username sudo"? |
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| 18:19.18 | neeky | tru, you can add your user to a group that has sudo privs |
| 18:19.32 | b0lt | that requires the sudo group to have correct permissions in /etc/sudoers, which might not be the case |
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| 18:19.47 | berarma | b0lt: on a standard Debian system? |
| 18:19.50 | t0ke | I tried adduser t0ke sudo, but it says the username is already in there |
| 18:19.50 | b0lt | but if you're going to edit the file directly, remember for use visudo, so you get error checking |
| 18:19.55 | neeky | thats why on MY system, i explicitly add my user to the file myself |
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| 18:20.27 | neeky | and yes, use visudo, or risk locking yourself out of your system |
| 18:20.39 | neeky | has done that |
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| 18:20.59 | b0lt | berarma: iirc it wasn't there on earlier releases, so if it's been through a distupgrade or two... |
| 18:21.03 | iraqois | neeky: how did you manage that? |
| 18:21.23 | b0lt | iraqois: all you need is an invalid sudoers file and no known root password |
| 18:21.27 | iraqois | I always just add myself as iraqois ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
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| 18:21.29 | neeky | if you get a syntax error and dont have the root password, you'll never get root privs |
| 18:21.46 | berarma | b0lt: I've been using it for some time, don't remember since though |
| 18:21.56 | neeky | and sudo wont work |
| 18:22.26 | neeky | so you cant get back to the file to edit it, becasue it requires root |
| 18:22.33 | iraqois | ahh I assume this is for something other than your home computer then? |
| 18:22.34 | berarma | anyway, it would be weird having edited your sudoers file and asking for help to get into it |
| 18:22.41 | ksk | hey gud |
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| 18:22.42 | ksk | s |
| 18:22.50 | neeky | reboot, rescue disk, etc |
| 18:23.03 | tom[] | i foolishly broke a server's packages. i learned on #opensmtpd of a supported .deb. the only pkg available then was a sid but i didn't know what that meant. i added "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main" to sources.list on ubuntu 12.04. i soon learned how stupid that was. chaos ensued. the mess is beyond apt-get -f (no aptitude on the system). what are my options? |
| 18:23.12 | b0lt | iraqois: "locking yourself out" does not necessarily imply it's impossible to get back in, say, by booting from an external drive |
| 18:23.31 | ksk | id like to use libpam-python; is there some stage the user is still root, or asking what i want to do: is there some way to intercept a users login at a stage where there are still root-privileges? |
| 18:24.02 | berarma | tom[]: you should ask in a Ubuntu channel, anyway reinstalling my be your best option |
| 18:24.17 | berarma | might* |
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| 18:24.26 | jelly-home | tom[]: #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu channels |
| 18:24.44 | tom[] | berarma: reinstalling whole system? |
| 18:24.56 | iraqois | b0lt: would that still work if your drive was encrypted? |
| 18:25.01 | bezaban | I have a test system it is completely possible of locking myself out of and I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with that feeling |
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| 18:25.17 | bezaban | iraqois: as long as you know the passphrase yes. |
| 18:25.17 | berarma | tom[]: you've probably destroyed it |
| 18:25.26 | neeky | b0lt, / is encrypted? |
| 18:25.57 | tom[] | berarma: my punishment |
| 18:26.04 | tom[] | may as well get on with it |
| 18:26.06 | b0lt | iraqois: obviously, as long as your bootable media supports that encryption |
| 18:26.10 | b0lt | neeky: ? |
| 18:26.29 | neeky | sorry, iraqois |
| 18:26.39 | iraqois | bezaban: what if the encryption passphrase was the root password, you didn't know the root password, and the drive had been thoroughly destroyed by an armoured tank? :p </silly> |
| 18:26.43 | neeky | was responding to him and typed you |
| 18:26.49 | berarma | tom[]: Ubuntu channels are the place to ask |
| 18:26.54 | jelly-home | tom[]: both apt and dpkg keep track of the packages installed. Ask in the relevant channels about the best way to go back to the versions from the distro |
| 18:26.58 | bezaban | iraqois: then you would never be able to access your system in the first place |
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| 18:27.15 | tom[] | will do. thanks |
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| 18:28.08 | bezaban | regardless if you messed up your sudoers file :P |
| 18:28.11 | SONGO | ciao |
| 18:28.27 | SONGO | !list |
| 18:28.27 | dpkg | songo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 18:30.46 | quinso | How do I find a package that provides an executable file with specified name? |
| 18:30.56 | jelly-home | !apt-file |
| 18:30.57 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 18:35.37 | t0ke | I have in installed Dropbox on Debian, but the icon is not showing up anywhere (i'm using Gnome) |
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| 18:36.13 | neeky | t0ke, do you have ~/Dropbox? |
| 18:36.14 | t0ke | How can I show and hide icons? (I want to get rid of the Universal Access Settings icon too |
| 18:36.18 | t0ke | Yes, I do |
| 18:36.29 | neeky | that should be it if you took the defaults on install |
| 18:36.33 | me-1 | hi...what should I do if my country does not have Debian mirrors of repos..? |
| 18:36.46 | neeky | at some point it will have a little green checkbox when it's synched |
| 18:37.19 | t0ke | neeky: Yeah, it's installed. But on Ubuntu an icon showed on the top right. Was wondering if I could enable that here |
| 18:37.33 | t0ke | If not, how can I get rid of the Universal Access Settings icon? |
| 18:37.40 | neeky | on my ssystem it's just in nautilus, not sure |
| 18:39.26 | iraqois | t0ke: haven't used gnome in some time, can't you right click it and select -remove from the menu? |
| 18:39.48 | neeky | I git that icon at some point, and dont know how to get rid of it either :-/ |
| 18:39.55 | neeky | s/git/got |
| 18:39.56 | t0ke | iraqois: Nope. In Ubuntu I had to do it in dconf settings |
| 18:40.02 | t0ke | But I can't find the option here |
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| 18:41.26 | bezaban | t0ke: you can go to extentions.gnome.org and enable a universal access remover extension |
| 18:41.58 | bezaban | t0ke: actually the first hit on that page, hehe. |
| 18:42.01 | bezaban | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/112/remove-accesibility/ |
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| 18:42.06 | bezaban | hit the on switch |
| 18:42.20 | neeky | t0ke, put your mouse in the bottom right corner of the screen |
| 18:42.27 | neeky | tahst where app icons are for me |
| 18:42.33 | bezaban | the most popular extension is one that removes default functionality : |
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| 18:43.05 | t0ke | bezaban: Thanks! That was easy |
| 18:43.09 | bezaban | that should be an indication to the developers :) |
| 18:43.15 | bezaban | hah yes. for once something simple! :D |
| 18:43.20 | t0ke | neeky: Ahhh, so it is. Thanks buddy |
| 18:43.57 | neeky | np |
| 18:44.07 | Intensity | Hi. I'm compiling various Debian packages after upgrading to a recent gcc/g++. That wasn't compiled with multilib support and so isn't intended to build for ix86 (only amd64). When I recompile glibc is there any way I can modify the build scripts in debian/ to have it only compile for amd64 architecture? |
| 18:44.14 | neeky | it's kind of a goofty spot, i actually forget its there |
| 18:44.26 | neeky | not really in my field of vision |
| 18:45.28 | neeky | how can I use two sound cards for two different things? like one for system sounds and one for music? |
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| 18:46.06 | jordanm | Intensity: it will only compile for the arch that you are on by default |
| 18:46.11 | bezaban | I must say, gnome3 is the first gnome I've used and liked. |
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| 18:46.47 | jhutchins | neeky: You probably can, but it will be tricky. Many things in gnome will use gnome's setup & controls rather than their own. |
| 18:47.01 | jhutchins | neeky: pulseaudio might make that easier, might make it harder. |
| 18:47.17 | neeky | i use pulseaudio, but not seeing many control options |
| 18:47.37 | neeky | i really want want to run JACK |
| 18:47.41 | neeky | its a resource hog |
| 18:47.55 | neeky | and this is a dev box, not a DAW |
| 18:48.15 | neeky | i DONT want to run JACK |
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| 18:49.29 | bezaban | at one point I feel that audio support has gone backwards in linux/debian. Early on it was hard to get sound at all, for a while it just worked, and now I'm back to having trouble, probably due to the amount of systems available that don't mix well (and that I need support for some old sdl applications) |
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| 18:50.59 | Intensity | jordanm: Hmm, well when I'm compiling a complex package like glibc, it's attempting to configure for ix86 architecture - not just amd64. |
| 18:51.39 | jordanm | Intensity: where do you see that? |
| 18:52.53 | Intensity | jordanm: This is on Ubuntu 8. In the middle of ./debian/rules binary, it says "Configuring i386" - right after leaving "glibc-2.7/build-tree/amd64-libc". |
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| 18:58.03 | iraqois | hmm this latest gnome gui looks similar to the windows 8 gui, which one came first? |
| 18:58.24 | bezaban | iraqois: gnome |
| 18:58.29 | bezaban | if it's the g3 gui |
| 18:58.42 | jordanm | !tell Intensity about ubuntu |
| 18:58.58 | iraqois | I only know because my laptop came with win8 pre-installed and I had to boot it to get into the uefi to allow me to boot nix |
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| 19:00.25 | Adriaan | hi, I need an upgrade to a version of MySQL that is newer than the current version that is in my package tree. How can I perform this? |
| 19:01.39 | iraqois | bezaban: I thought as much, come to think of it I did see it back when I still used windows (at all) 7 |
| 19:01.52 | jordanm | ,versions mysql-server |
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| 19:01.54 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.31+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.33+dfsg-1 |
| 19:02.15 | jordanm | Adriaan: what version of debian and mysql? |
| 19:02.57 | Adriaan | jordanm, I need version 5.6, I am currently on wheezy (5.5) |
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| 19:04.51 | t0ke | I have a raspberry pi running Openelec connected to my network sharing its files as a Samba Share. How can I access this from Debian? |
| 19:04.59 | nmpro | is there channel dedicated to preforming API load testing ? |
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| 19:06.21 | jordanm | Adriaan: that's pretty bleeding edge. compile it from source or use the percona alpha build |
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| 19:06.51 | iraqois | I have a raspberry pi doing nothing atm, might break out with it and start some programming later, turn it into something useful heh |
| 19:06.52 | jordanm | actually the percona builds are RC now |
| 19:06.57 | t0ke | I have a Raspberry Pi running Openelec connected to my network as a Samba Share. How can I access this from Debian? |
| 19:07.24 | t0ke | iraqois: They're cool little things. It's what got me into linux in the first place |
| 19:07.32 | jordanm | Adriaan: http://www.percona.com/downloads/Percona-Server-5.6/Percona-Server-5.6.13-rc60.6/deb/wheezy/ # not supported by debian or in #debian |
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| 19:07.44 | Adriaan | jordanm, thanks! |
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| 19:18.57 | iraqois | is it normal for a transaction (say debit card at a supermarket) to take more than 5 hours? |
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| 19:19.47 | iraqois | if it isn't I might have gotten free (as in free whiskey) |
| 19:20.01 | iraqois | whiskey :F |
| 19:20.03 | iraqois | :D |
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| 19:24.08 | bezaban | whisky! |
| 19:24.21 | bezaban | not whiskey, but this is headed for debian-offtopic :P |
| 19:24.33 | Adriaan | jordanm, Percona up and running, great advice, thanks again! |
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| 19:32.24 | jcbjoe | sorry guys FAIL! |
| 19:34.44 | jhutchins | iraqois: Yes, sometimes transactions are batched at end-of-day (or even end-of-week or -month). |
| 19:35.23 | jhutchins | iraqois: It has to go from merchant -> clearning house -> bank card servers -> bank. |
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| 20:12.26 | ExeciN | I need to test a new wireless adapter, how can I temporarily disable wlan0? |
| 20:12.55 | jordanm | ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 20:13.25 | somiaj | ExeciN: partly depends on what tool you use to configure it. |
| 20:13.39 | somiaj | network-manager for instance can be told to disable/turn off an interface |
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| 21:06.18 | shurnormal | how do you mount your android phones? |
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| 21:10.42 | mumpitze1 | shurnormal: either you use mtp-tools or you go this route: http://roger.steneteg.org/299/mount-mtp-device-on-debian-7-wheezy/ |
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| 21:13.00 | leonlemouton | shutnormal: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/75-debian/280-debian-wheezy-android-tools-adb-fastboot-qtadb |
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| 21:18.00 | stafean | hello everyone |
| 21:18.03 | [sr] | hi |
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| 21:18.12 | [sr] | i have a server that refuses to let me login locally |
| 21:18.17 | jkyle | heya! |
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| 21:18.39 | [sr] | when i write "root" in the login, it doesn't assk me for the password, just prompts to login again |
| 21:18.45 | [sr] | any ideias what it could be? |
| 21:19.03 | [sr] | i see many info on the web, none was my issue or solved it |
| 21:19.51 | [sr] | via ssh i can login without problems |
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| 21:20.17 | leonlemouton | [sr]: tty1 or tty7 |
| 21:20.33 | [sr] | leonlemouton: tty1 to tty6 |
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| 21:21.15 | [sr] | this was something that i updated long time ago 'cause it was working, since i normally login via ssh just noticed now |
| 21:21.31 | stafean | I have a process I want to start at a certain time, using at. It is playing a video file with omxplayer. It starts fine, but I can't exit it and it keeps playing when I hit ctrl+c. How do I stop it again? |
| 21:22.25 | frikinz | [sr]: /var full or not writable ? |
| 21:22.58 | [sr] | frikinz: no, 49% usage |
| 21:23.04 | JasonWoof | I get "permission denied" when I try to configure my tun1 to an ipv6 address on my debian unstable x86 box. works fine on my debian unstable armhf box. |
| 21:23.29 | jordanm | stafean: if it's ignoring SIGINT, try kill <pid> and as a last resort kill -9 <pid> |
| 21:24.17 | jkyle | is it possible to retain the existing partition layout in a preseed file? |
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| 21:24.50 | jkyle | I'd like to do an early command to partition my disks, then just keep that layout for the install |
| 21:25.38 | stafean | jordanm: that kills it, but it starts again ... |
| 21:26.14 | frikinz | [sr]: ah didn't see via ssh you can login |
| 21:26.15 | jordanm | stafean: what did you setup to start it? |
| 21:26.19 | stafean | jordanm: it is set to loop indefinitely through "while true, do ..." |
| 21:26.38 | stafean | does that cause it or is it at? |
| 21:26.44 | jordanm | stafean: you need to kill the parent, the one that is running the "while true" |
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| 21:26.55 | [sr] | frikinz: i really have no idea why |
| 21:27.52 | zykotick9 | [sr]: sidenote, allowing root to connect through SSH is probably NOT a good idea... security wise. |
| 21:28.15 | Nik05 | debian has in enabled on default... |
| 21:28.25 | zykotick9 | [sr]: can you log in as a user, then "su -"? |
| 21:28.55 | stafean | jordanm: that would be sh. good, thanks. that worked. but is there any easy way to stop it playing? I can kill it just fine with ctrl + c when it runs on its own, just not when I start it through at |
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| 21:29.12 | [sr] | zykotick9: i know, np it's internal :) |
| 21:29.38 | jordanm | stafean: not familar with the application |
| 21:29.58 | stafean | jordanm: all right, I try to figure it out |
| 21:30.01 | stafean | thanks |
| 21:30.30 | [sr] | zykotick9: no, no user can login locally, same happens, insert the user, no password prompt, goes directly to the login again |
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| 21:30.50 | zykotick9 | [sr]: beats me? best of luck. |
| 21:31.06 | [sr] | ya wierd |
| 21:31.18 | [sr] | not that i need it but am curious about it |
| 21:31.53 | leonlemouton | [sr] http://www.debian-fr.org/mot-de-passe-root-non-reconnu-t45297.html |
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| 21:33.44 | [sr] | leonlemouton: need a translator :) |
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| 21:35.49 | shurnormal | thanks mumpitze1 |
| 21:37.04 | [sr] | leonlemouton: hum its not a sudoers |
| 21:37.07 | [sr] | problem |
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| 21:38.24 | frikinz | I don't see how this can happen, unless you type an empty string.. |
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| 21:39.06 | frikinz | [sr]: and syslog shows nothing? |
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| 21:39.17 | darklajid | Hi. I'm seeing that dovecot-* on Jessie is quite up to date, but missing a module from upstream. Should I submit a package request for that? Are there decent tutorials to help me building/packaging that myself? |
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| 21:41.31 | [sr] | frikinz: hum ya its a libpam problem |
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| 21:46.53 | [sr] | oh well continue tomorow, sleep time |
| 21:46.54 | [sr] | tks |
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| 21:47.31 | RayzrShrp | hey hey everybody |
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| 21:51.29 | biberao | /wc/wc |
| 21:51.32 | biberao | oops |
| 21:51.37 | biberao | gtg |
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| 21:53.51 | nonconvergent | I had libreoffice installed (the default version that comes with the xfce environment on wheezy). I just installed libreoffice-gtk3. How do I make it switch from one to the other and what do I remove? |
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| 21:54.22 | nonconvergent | I checked and didn't see an alternative selection it looked like |
| 21:55.54 | CygniX | what are the risks upgrading postgres from 9.1 to 9.3? |
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| 21:59.03 | nonconvergent | Alright, I instal libreoffice-gtk3 and removed libreoffice-gtk and got a whole bunch of no gtk at all for my trouble. |
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| 22:00.52 | ExeciN | xfce only sees mouse buttons 1, 2 and 3 (4 and 5 are not recognized) What can I do to utilize all buttons? |
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| 22:10.50 | CyberGabber | Waarom laat sed me wel de juiste inhoude zien op scherm, maar veranderd deze het niet in mijn bestand? sed 's/Hieronder/hieronder/g' DOC.txt |
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| 22:15.07 | shurnormal | CyberGabber: I wish I could understand Niederländisch |
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| 22:19.41 | nonconvergent | Trying to get gtk3 to work right in Wheezy. Not running gnome. Uninstalled libreoffice-gtk and installed libreoffice-gtk3, but it's not using anything. Installed gtk3-engines-unico but it isn't showing up in lxappearance |
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| 22:22.02 | darklajid | CyberGabber: I don't read that language, but if you're asking why that doesn't change the file.. well, sed just outputs the changes to stdout by default. You probably want man sed, search for -i (in place) |
| 22:23.41 | disconnect1 | question - http://pastebin.com/HvJLwyE1 this is my output from lspci|grep VGA. shouldnt there be some more info to the nvidia line? (i'm fighting driverinstalls atm) |
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| 22:25.53 | nonconvergent | disconnect1: lspci -nn will give you a pciid between the [] |
| 22:25.59 | nonconvergent | then ask judd about it |
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| 22:27.02 | nonconvergent | But for the most part, it's a choice between nouveau or nvidia drivers. |
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| 22:27.48 | disconnect1 | nouveau works out of the box, but i find it increasingly annoying that installing prop drivers is this difficult nowadays |
| 22:27.58 | nonconvergent | it's not, really |
| 22:28.34 | disconnect1 | Cant just install them anymore it seems |
| 22:28.54 | nonconvergent | Do you have nonfree in your apt sources? |
| 22:29.06 | disconnect1 | yes |
| 22:29.25 | zykotick9 | !tell disconnect1 about nvidia dkms |
| 22:29.25 | Raknymos | TESTING: 0 Irssi::Irc::Server=HASH(0x7fa55e780680) #debian :!tell disconnect1 about nvidia dkms zykotick9 ~ZykoticK9@unaffiliated/zykotick9 |
| 22:29.29 | Raknymos | zykotick9 : No |
| 22:29.40 | disconnect1 | I still dont get any nvidia model in lspci, after installing |
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| 22:30.05 | nonconvergent | disconnect1: lspci -nn |
| 22:30.14 | nonconvergent | That'll tell you the pciid |
| 22:30.32 | disconnect1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.35 | disconnect1 | used to do that earlier |
| 22:30.48 | nonconvergent | ,.pciid 10de:0fe1 |
| 22:30.50 | disconnect1 | modprobe nvidia gives no such device |
| 22:30.58 | brilliant_ | short question. i getting errors with apt-get update (olivia) |
| 22:31.10 | nonconvergent | olivia? |
| 22:31.13 | brilliant_ | sorry wrong window |
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| 22:31.56 | nonconvergent | judd: pciid 10de:0fe1 |
| 22:31.57 | judd | [10de:0fe1] is 'GK107M [GeForce GT 730M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0fe1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 22:32.18 | disconnect1 | ough |
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| 22:33.04 | nonconvergent | Is there maybe something essential to gtk3 I'm missing perhaps? |
| 22:33.09 | babilen | Check https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for installation instructions (and ways to check which version supports which cards) |
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| 22:33.53 | disconnect1 | thanks, but i've gone through that one. i'll ignore the no nvidia device found for now, but there's a "no screens found" as well now >< |
| 22:34.25 | nonconvergent | if you switch to the nvidia driver you have to provide an xorg config |
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| 22:34.32 | disconnect1 | xorg is set |
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| 22:35.58 | disconnect1 | ERROR: Could not insert 'nvidia': no such device |
| 22:37.02 | leonlemouton | disconnect1 : http://wiki.debian-facile.org/doc:materiel:cartes-graphique:nvidia:accueil?s |
| 22:37.51 | disconnect1 | that was very french :o |
| 22:38.31 | leonlemouton | free driver or not ? |
| 22:38.44 | disconnect1 | dkms status > nvidia, 304.88, 3.2.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed |
| 22:38.54 | disconnect1 | it's installed , but startx gives the error no such device |
| 22:39.11 | leonlemouton | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings nvidia-driver linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:39.37 | leonlemouton | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:39.50 | leonlemouton | Driver"nvidia" |
| 22:39.59 | nonconvergent | I don't think gtk3 is working. Anyone know how I can check? |
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| 22:40.28 | disconnect1 | My xorg config states driver nvidia, but when i try to start X, it says no such device |
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| 22:45.03 | leonlemouton | disconnect1 : nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:45.09 | disconnect1 | tried that as well |
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| 22:48.05 | nonconvergent | How do I get aptitude to search wheezy-backports? |
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| 22:48.45 | leonlemouton | nonconvergent : nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:49.51 | nonconvergent | Not what I asked. |
| 22:50.00 | iraqois | finally I have properly functioning wireless, 3 days! |
| 22:50.02 | disconnect1 | alright, so /var/log/messages states the 304.88 driver doesnt support my 730M.. cool, that might be it then. |
| 22:50.03 | _-Frustat3d-_ | what the hell is wrong with debian these days? |
| 22:50.14 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I tried installing debian and it crashed at MBR setup |
| 22:50.28 | _-Frustat3d-_ | way to go Team Debian |
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| 22:50.42 | _-Frustat3d-_ | wifi not recognized either |
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| 22:51.08 | nonconvergent | _-Frustat3d-_: It's not Debian's falt if your nic has nonfree firmware. |
| 22:51.33 | iraqois | _-Frustat3d-_: type lspci in a terminal and tell me what wifi card you have |
| 22:51.37 | _-Frustat3d-_ | nonconvergent, well then how does one explain Debian crashing at MBR setup, thus making the "installation" useless |
| 22:51.50 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I can't even boot into from another distro |
| 22:52.10 | iraqois | I just spent _-Frustat3d-_ did you do an md5 check on the iso before burning it? |
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| 22:52.21 | disconnect1 | sure you picked the right disk to install mbr on? ,o |
| 22:52.29 | _-Frustat3d-_ | iraqois, it's one of those typical linksys ones, I'm not it now. |
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| 22:52.45 | leonlemouton | _-Frustat3d-_ : is your cd sure? |
| 22:53.03 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I suppose I can check that installation disc again, but it was a brand new one |
| 22:53.24 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I'm really trying to get off ubuntu and would like a reliable distro |
| 22:53.31 | nonconvergent | Brand new doesn't mean anything if you filled it with corrupted data |
| 22:53.40 | iraqois | _-Frustat3d-_: did you burn it yourself or buy one and have it delivered in the mail? |
| 22:53.59 | _-Frustat3d-_ | iraqois, burned myself as I've done for years |
| 22:54.03 | nonconvergent | We're rock solid and helpful when you're not insulting us to our face. |
| 22:54.24 | disconnect1 | wut, 319.60 - not supported either. something's fishy here |
| 22:54.42 | iraqois | ahh, I had a duff PC-BSD disc a few days ago, when I did the md5 sum check on it after I found out it wasn't right heh |
| 22:54.44 | mtn | _-Frustat3d-_: I have never had a debian install fail in any way in 14 years |
| 22:54.49 | _-Frustat3d-_ | lol I'm so frustrated, everything is going wrong. Even the disc iso that lets people boot from usb on older computers crashed. |
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| 22:55.24 | iraqois | _-Frustat3d-_: Are you installing with the gui installer or the text based one? |
| 22:55.51 | iraqois | I found distros are more prone to crashing when using the gui installers |
| 22:56.01 | iraqois | just my experience of them, dunno if that's common |
| 22:56.09 | _-Frustat3d-_ | mtn, yeah I thought Debian would install quickly and easily for me. Haven't used it in a while. I just want linux on a home pc and the distros that do that die or put on spyware. |
| 22:56.40 | _-Frustat3d-_ | no way I want ubuntu anymore after amazon nonsense. Now I can't even encrypt a partition on Ubuntu. It crashes that too. |
| 22:56.53 | leonlemouton | _-Frustat3d-_ : debian works |
| 22:56.55 | disconnect1 | sounds like there's some hardware malfunction going on |
| 22:57.19 | _-Frustat3d-_ | does Debian have a GUI utillity that allows one to encrypt one partition on an external drive? |
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| 22:58.31 | leonlemouton | cryptsetup |
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| 22:58.57 | iraqois | can a corrupted mbr cause the kind of problems he's having? |
| 22:58.57 | _-Frustat3d-_ | leonlemouton, isn't that command line? |
| 22:59.17 | nonconvergent | I don't think gtk3 is working. Anyone know how I can check? |
| 22:59.24 | leonlemouton | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 22:59.32 | leonlemouton | you talking to me ? |
| 22:59.44 | nonconvergent | Don't fear the cli |
| 22:59.49 | _-Frustat3d-_ | iraqois, I just ended up installing ubuntu instead. Ubuntu 12.04 works. Well, except for "Disk Utility" when I try to encrypt just one partition on an external HD. |
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| 23:00.40 | iraqois | _-Frustat3d-_: I had to get a build of debian with firmware built in, think someone in here linked me to it |
| 23:01.46 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I'm sorry folks, but I tried several things, all of which failed. Tried Mageia distro. Failed. Tried the cd iso to run from usb on older computer. That crashed when trying to boot from usb, it's only job. Tired of making new iso's. |
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| 23:04.02 | _-Frustat3d-_ | Plop Linux is the usb booter that doesn't even do its sole job. |
| 23:04.41 | _-Frustat3d-_ | so if no one else is having problems with Debian installing, I can try another iso and see what happens. |
| 23:05.33 | cfree | _-Frustat3d-_: what architecture is you comp? |
| 23:05.42 | _-Frustat3d-_ | P4 |
| 23:05.45 | cfree | 32bit of 64bit? |
| 23:05.45 | _-Frustat3d-_ | x86 |
| 23:05.49 | _-Frustat3d-_ | 32 bit |
| 23:06.00 | leonlemouton | _-Frustat3d-_ : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 23:06.02 | _-Frustat3d-_ | 10 year old model |
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| 23:07.38 | _-Frustat3d-_ | If this fails again, I can try on another machine. But Ubuntu installs just fine on it. |
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| 23:11.11 | disconnect1 | Anyone here actually running with optimus card on a laptop? Seems those cards arent supported :S unless im missreading the information |
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| 23:11.48 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I would also like to suggest that OpenVPN come with the installer so I can use a VPN connection to download updates. I'd like to have information security. |
| 23:12.38 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I'm discouraged from downloading updates during installation because I'd rather not do it "naked". |
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| 23:13.07 | leonlemouton | disconnect1 : https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee RTFM |
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| 23:14.09 | disconnect1 | yup, tried that, still the same problem. thus googling around, and no news from nvidia's side. doesnt change the fact that it's not working. and since you jump on the RTFM, just dont answer/ignore me instead. |
| 23:14.10 | disconnect1 | thanks |
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| 23:15.04 | leonlemouton | ok |
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| 23:16.55 | _-Frustat3d-_ | I'm going to try Debian live and see what happens. |
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| 23:19.46 | mumpitze1 | disconnect1: have you blacklisted the kms module? |
| 23:20.06 | reavengrey | uguu~~ |
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| 23:21.44 | disconnect1 | mumpitze1: kms module ? |
| 23:22.10 | disconnect1 | ah, nouveau? yes |
| 23:22.27 | mumpitze1 | !kms |
| 23:22.27 | Raknymos | TESTING: 0 Irssi::Irc::Server=HASH(0x7fa55e77f450) #debian :!kms mumpitze1 ~mumpitzel@p5B21CD23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 23:22.27 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 23:22.30 | Raknymos | mumpitze1 : No |
| 23:22.34 | mumpitze1 | Raknymos: stop this |
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| 23:26.54 | Zharf | http://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/watch?pkg=libcdio_0.83-4 -.- |
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| 23:33.17 | t0ke | Got a fresh install of Debian, but I can't delete any files using the GUI. Any ideas? |
| 23:33.36 | Zharf | what files |
| 23:33.54 | t0ke | Anything in documents, downloads or whatever |
| 23:33.58 | t0ke | using 'files' |
| 23:34.19 | t0ke | The option to delete just isn't there |
| 23:34.37 | t0ke | Delete key does nothing, and 'Delete' doesn't show in 'Edit' or the right click menu |
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| 23:37.05 | t0ke | Any ideas? Really stuck here |
| 23:37.37 | Zharf | nope, never used that stuff ;) |
| 23:37.49 | mtn | t0ke: what desktop are you using? |
| 23:37.55 | t0ke | Default |
| 23:37.58 | t0ke | Gnome I think |
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| 23:38.07 | mtn | t0ke: might help to know for sure ;) |
| 23:38.09 | t0ke | And nautilus is the file thingy |
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| 23:38.15 | t0ke | Yeah, it's Gnome |
| 23:38.42 | mtn | t0ke: ah, thingy, I see. well, something has gone wrong, for sure. do you have move to trash as an option? |
| 23:38.52 | t0ke | Nope |
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| 23:39.06 | t0ke | oh wait |
| 23:39.07 | t0ke | yeah |
| 23:39.12 | t0ke | 'move to wastebasket' |
| 23:39.21 | mtn | t0ke: there you go. does it work? |
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| 23:39.34 | t0ke | Yeah, but the delete key doesn't :S |
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| 23:40.01 | mtn | t0ke: go to preferences and look around, maybe delete is turned off. |
| 23:40.15 | t0ke | kk |
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| 23:42.57 | t0ke | Ahhhh, ctrl-delete works |
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