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| 00:03.15 | boudiccas | i've had to interrupt dpkg who was trying to autoremove a whole slew of packages, because iwas trying to downgrade python. its left with a load of packages that it wants to remove, how do i stop it and revert them to normal usage please? |
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| 00:05.55 | Enyx | How to check what DNS is currently used w/o using resolv.conf ? |
| 00:06.04 | darsie | dig |
| 00:06.32 | darsie | dig google.com. It tells you the used NS at the end. |
| 00:06.44 | talin | wow, the installer is pretty stupid. it says "it appears that this is the only system running. install grub on the mbr of the first disk?" and then "grub-install /dev/sda", but sda is the usb-pen i'm installing from... i've already specified and partitioned /dev/sdb as my disk |
| 00:07.35 | talin | i guess i need to run grub-install /dev/sdb manually from somewhere. not sure if there are any particular args one must pass to it though. and where would i do this from? "expert installation"? |
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| 00:08.26 | darsie | talin: Well, it doesn't seem to recognise that sda is a removeble USB drive. If it was the first hard disk, then it would make sense to install grub there, as it might not get launched on the second hard disk. |
| 00:09.20 | darsie | talin: IIRC you can specify where you want to install grub. |
| 00:09.27 | darsie | during install. |
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| 00:09.40 | talin | darsie: hmm, okay. perhaps in the expert version |
| 00:10.41 | Enyx | darsie i cant dig hostname, the problem is that my DNS is not working that's why i want to know wich one is active |
| 00:11.13 | darsie | Enyx: What's wrong with cat /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:12.19 | Enyx | darsie when i'm runnning openvpn, the resolv.conf file doesnt change, so i don't know if it's because OpenVpN use an other way to change the DNS or if its because it fail ti change it |
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| 00:13.04 | darsie | Enyx: dig displays the used NS regardless of the outcome of the lookup, IIRC. |
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| 00:13.47 | darsie | Enyx: dig google.com|grep SERVER |
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| 00:13.55 | darsie | no? |
| 00:14.15 | Enyx | darsie: grep google.com: |
| 00:14.35 | Enyx | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 00:14.58 | darsie | grep SERVER |
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| 00:17.04 | Enyx | darsie no result |
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| 00:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell talin about mbrfix |
| 00:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that one |
| 00:19.02 | jordilopezamat | hello #debian community |
| 00:19.15 | darsie | Enyx: I just removed my NS from resolv.conf, and get ';; connection timed out; no servers could be reached', too. Maybe you just have no NS defined. |
| 00:19.54 | jordilopezamat | newbie here... ( i was just seeing http://media.libreplanet.org/u/libby/m/stefano-zacchiroli/ , nice for a newcommer like me... to better now Debian philosophy ) |
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| 00:20.39 | darsie | Enyx: OTOH, I specified a non existant IP and got the same result. |
| 00:21.35 | Enyx | hum |
| 00:21.46 | Enyx | so what should i do ? :/ |
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| 00:22.01 | talin | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, i'll give that a try |
| 00:22.06 | abrotman | ask your network admin how to evade the proxy? |
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| 00:24.41 | grimeton | Enyx: /etc/resolv.conf is the location when it comes to nameservers |
| 00:24.53 | grimeton | Enyx: as long as nsswitch.conf contains "files" in the dns line |
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| 00:25.12 | grimeton | Enyx: "hosts line" |
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| 00:28.24 | Enyx | grimeton hosts on nss: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 00:28.48 | grimeton | Enyx: yeah, that uses mdns (e.g. avahi) and then normal dns |
| 00:29.45 | Enyx | thing is, if i change the line anually in resolv, it works, if i push it, it doesnt |
| 00:29.57 | grimeton | Enyx: if you push it, is resolv.conf then changed? |
| 00:30.49 | Enyx | nope |
| 00:30.54 | Enyx | that's all the problem |
| 00:30.55 | grimeton | Enyx: so how should it work then? |
| 00:31.05 | Enyx | i just saw something intresting |
| 00:31.15 | grimeton | gethostbyname() reads /etc/resolv.conf to see what's going on |
| 00:31.16 | Enyx | in fact on Linux you have to use a script |
| 00:31.26 | pederindi | Hi. I have a touchpad. How to adjust speed of: Option "HorizTwoFingerScroll" "boolean" Thanks! |
| 00:31.27 | grimeton | Enyx: yeah debian should provide one iirc |
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| 00:35.46 | talin | when i apt-cache search emacs, i can only find emacs23 and not emacs24. how come? |
| 00:35.56 | talin | (new to debian and apt-get) |
| 00:36.21 | grimeton | talin: which version are you on? |
| 00:36.26 | darsie | talin: try packages.debian.org |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | talin: that's the version that released with wheezy |
| 00:36.43 | talin | grimeton: i just installed the latest (wheezy?) |
| 00:36.46 | pederindi | talin: you have a ppa for emacs http://emacs.naquadah.org/ this will get a "emacs-snapshot" |
| 00:36.52 | grimeton | talin: 2.4 is only available in sid |
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| 00:37.00 | darsie | Maybe in stable/wheezy there is only 23. Testing or experimental may have later versions. |
| 00:37.26 | talin | it's quite a while since 24 was released though |
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| 00:37.34 | grimeton | talin: yeah, that's debian |
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| 00:37.47 | talin | scratches his head |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell talin about meaning of stable |
| 00:38.07 | darsie | talin: You can try debian backports. Don't just install stuff from testing/unstable in stable. |
| 00:38.07 | grimeton | talin: if you want to be up2date go with sid |
| 00:38.20 | darsie | don't :). |
| 00:38.38 | grimeton | talin: people trying to tell you to not install or use sid is a debian habit too |
| 00:39.02 | abrotman | talin: don't upgrade to sid |
| 00:39.03 | pederindi | talin: I had the same problem as you. In backports you will not find emacs24, and I installed a repository for stable at: http://emacs.naquadah.org/ you have the instructions there, after update, sudo apt-get install emacs-snapshot , and here you have |
| 00:39.29 | abrotman | talin: sid breaks on a semi-regular basis, it's not meant for someone new to Debian |
| 00:39.29 | darsie | I was on testing a long time. The big number of packages during updates was a hassle. |
| 00:39.50 | talin | darsie: testing sid? |
| 00:39.59 | abrotman | talin: just stick with wheezy for now |
| 00:40.06 | darsie | talin: 'testing' is the next release. |
| 00:40.09 | grimeton | talin: sid is unstable |
| 00:40.09 | barry128 | hi there, i was wondering if it possible for debian to retract packages from stable |
| 00:40.09 | talin | i see. interesting concept. i don't desperately need 24 anyway |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | barry128: retract? you mean delete from the stable release? |
| 00:40.28 | talin | i guess it is part of what makes things work so well in debian, from what i hear |
| 00:40.48 | grimeton | talin: don't start dreaming, debian has a lot of - self made - problems |
| 00:40.59 | barry128 | yes and even send a recommendation for uninstalling the package |
| 00:41.07 | talin | is it easy to upgrade to new releases once they become available? |
| 00:41.11 | abrotman | barry128: they could remove it from the mirrors, yes |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | talin: yes |
| 00:41.12 | darsie | talin: But as I said, you can try http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 00:41.21 | talin | grimeton: oh. what kind of problems? |
| 00:41.44 | grimeton | talin: the upgrade process isn't the problem - changing release versions of the packages which propably come with different config options can become a problem over time |
| 00:41.57 | barry128 | for example, minidlna has a grave bug, but 80 days after notification it is still in the repo |
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| 00:42.08 | grimeton | talin: i don't think the freedom of speech in this channel is allowing one to discuss such problems here ;) |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | barry128: the security bugs ? |
| 00:42.54 | barry128 | upstream recommended not to use the package before 1.1,0 |
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| 00:43.08 | themill | ,bug 717131 |
| 00:43.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/717131 in minidlna (open, security): «minidlna: CVE-2013-2745 CVE-2013-2738 CVE-2013-2739»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-07-17; last modified: 2013-07-17. |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | barry128: what if Debian can patch it sufficiently? |
| 00:43.23 | darsie | talin: Upgrade from squeeze to wheezy brought me gnome3 which I didn't like, so it sucked for me. But technically it's just a few invocations of aptitude and maybe answering a few questions. |
| 00:43.28 | barry128 | seems like they did not do that |
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| 00:43.40 | abrotman | barry128: to be far, doesn't seem like they've done anything |
| 00:44.03 | themill | barry128: it looks like it's waiting for someone to do the work. Perhaps you'd be interested in working with the security team to do so? |
| 00:44.07 | barry128 | abrotman: had the same idea |
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| 00:45.18 | barry128 | well i havent seen the code yet, but it seems proper to at least remove it from te repo untill it is patched |
| 00:45.31 | barry128 | or it will be just gone from the repo |
| 00:46.12 | abrotman | but that can't force people to remove it |
| 00:46.12 | darsie | !tell talin about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 00:46.47 | themill | barry128: removing it from the repo doesn't remove it from the end-user's system |
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| 00:47.38 | barry128 | no, i dont think that should be possible either, but a notification to the user should be desirable |
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| 00:48.30 | SolarAquarion | how do I install something without shitloads of stuff getting uninstalled? |
| 00:48.38 | barry128 | themill: at leats it will be in the local/obselete category of synaptic and not installable for new installs |
| 00:48.43 | SolarAquarion | sorry for cursing |
| 00:48.43 | themill | SolarAquarion: try being less vague and obnoxious |
| 00:48.45 | themill | barry128: There is no way of Debian pushing out a notification like that. Users can always run debsecan or get apt to show them packages that are obsolete if they want to, but people won't |
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| 00:49.18 | themill | barry128: (I'm not disagreeing with you that this bug wants fixing) |
| 00:49.56 | barry128 | i think that should be a goal for the release of jessie, global communication from debian to users |
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| 00:50.20 | themill | there is no way that automated calling home like that will happen |
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| 00:50.55 | barry128 | not automated, but through update manager, we recommend to uninstall this package due to security issue |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | barry128: we're not Apple, we don't remotely remove apps |
| 00:51.13 | SolarAquarion | sorry for cursing but I decided to install this libavcodec-extra-53 but when i wanted to install ffmpeg instead and remove that it decided to remove everything |
| 00:51.18 | barry128 | user has control, data is only retrieved by the user and nothing is send back to debian |
| 00:51.28 | barry128 | thats not what i suggest |
| 00:51.41 | barry128 | user is in full control |
| 00:51.56 | SolarAquarion | and I can't update VLC |
| 00:52.02 | themill | dpkg: tell SolarAquarion about bat |
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| 00:52.58 | themill | barry128: there was a suggestion to add a foo-is-removed package that "upgrades" foo to a package with no binaries that would effectively do this. |
| 00:53.17 | barry128 | eey nice |
| 00:54.15 | themill | barry128: it was somewhere in the middle of the stupidly long and boring "dreamhost" thread about a month ago |
| 00:54.28 | themill | (on debian-devel, if you want to find it) |
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| 00:55.23 | barry128 | havent followed that thread |
| 00:55.42 | barry128 | but love the resulting idea |
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| 00:58.36 | barry128 | themill: do you also know some more about the iceweasel policy in debian testing and debian in general |
| 00:59.00 | barry128 | its becoming a mess to get security fixes in debian testing |
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| 00:59.22 | quinso | What type of partition table should I choose for a usb flash stick to have it work under all main operating systems including windows xp? |
| 01:00.31 | darsie | Maybe none. |
| 01:02.14 | bezaban | quinso: do you have choices for partition table format? |
| 01:02.49 | quinso | msdos aix amiga bsd gvh gpt mac pc98 sun loop |
| 01:02.52 | bezaban | vfat should be a recognizable file format for most os |
| 01:02.57 | darsie | But an MS-DOS partition table is probably the most universal. |
| 01:03.06 | bezaban | file system format != partition table format |
| 01:03.16 | barry128 | you mean mbr or gpt |
| 01:03.17 | quinso | Yeah, wikipedia said that win xp doesn't support gpt |
| 01:03.33 | quinso | Is mbr == msdos? |
| 01:03.37 | barry128 | mbr is most universal for drivers < 2 TB |
| 01:03.42 | barry128 | msdos yes |
| 01:03.47 | barry128 | msdos = mbr |
| 01:04.09 | barry128 | you get the layout with primary, logical, extended partitions |
| 01:04.17 | barry128 | gpt does not use that |
| 01:05.32 | barry128 | *drivers = drives |
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| 01:19.15 | SolarAquarion | how do i get a older package of libperl on testing |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell SolarAquarion about sdn |
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| 01:24.43 | SolarAquarion | what snaptshots would be fit for stable? |
| 01:25.00 | SolarAquarion | i mean to get debs from stable |
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| 01:28.34 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: what problem are you tryinbg to solve? |
| 01:28.52 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: dependency issues |
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| 01:31.17 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: that doesn't answer the question |
| 01:31.54 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: you want a pastebin? |
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| 01:32.53 | codepython777 | till when will debian wheezy be supported? |
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| 01:40.21 | abrotman | codepython777: roughly one year after the release of jessie |
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| 01:40.44 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: the hexchat packages on a launchpad needs libperl 4.14 |
| 01:40.51 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: the hexchat packages on a launchpad needs libperl 5.14 |
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| 01:42.01 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: is that the answer? |
| 01:42.43 | codepython777 | abrotman: is there something that i can run that will run for a long time? |
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| 01:42.51 | codepython777 | with updates |
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| 01:48.26 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: seriously? |
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| 01:48.48 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: what's wrong with xchat? |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: you're going to mess up your system if you continue |
| 01:49.07 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: k. I think I |
| 01:49.14 | SolarAquarion | ll just compile it |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | it's an IRC program, there are dozens already in Debian |
| 01:50.09 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: there's a bunch of updates coming up in the next few versions including being ported to GTK3 |
| 01:50.19 | SolarAquarion | from GTK2 |
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| 01:52.23 | SolarAquarion | hexchat is also more active https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat |
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| 01:55.40 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: you do realize you can use IRC with telnet, right ? |
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| 01:56.47 | SolarAquarion | yeah |
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| 01:58.44 | SolarAquarion | how do i know which paths i can access via bash/zsh and what not |
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| 01:59.05 | abrotman | which bash |
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| 02:00.46 | SolarAquarion | abrotman: i mean /usr/local/bin and what not |
| 02:01.18 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: echo $PATH |
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| 02:05.43 | bezaban | what is the standard path for debian ldap databases? |
| 02:06.10 | bezaban | would a debian system use /opt for the data? |
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| 02:06.42 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: not by default, no. |
| 02:06.47 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: it's /var/lib/slapd iirc. |
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| 02:07.26 | bezaban | dondelelcaro: think it's /var/lib/ldap, but /opt/ldap is only populated when I run it. Thinking there has been some changes here though |
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| 02:08.25 | bezaban | appparently some consultants feel they can manage stuff any way they like |
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| 02:12.32 | SolarAquarion | how do i add something to the menu |
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| 02:14.21 | bezaban | SolarAquarion: you need to add more information like what desktop enviroment your are running. You can usually soleve this by googling 'desktopenviroment add item to menu' |
| 02:15.35 | bezaban | replace desktopenviroment with your desk top enviroment |
| 02:16.05 | SolarAquarion | oksy |
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| 02:28.32 | feyd | i'm trying to do a gvfs-mount on startup, but it requires authentication to do. Since it's at startup, policy kit may not be started by the time the command runs. How can I allow the drives to mount? I don't want to do it through fstab, because I wont get a trash bin for deleted files that way. I've tried editing the udisks.policy file to no avail, and when I was with arch, I could just add myself to the 'storage' group to be allowed access. |
| 02:28.34 | feyd | Are there any existing groups in debian that are setup like this? |
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| 03:01.20 | codygman | Where does ld look by default? For instance I'm trying to use 'ld -l tesseract' and it's not bringing anything up |
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| 03:01.42 | grimeton | codygman: /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 03:06.25 | grimeton | bezaban: do not use debian's slapd for production use |
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| 03:10.13 | themill | (that's a pretty silly statement to make -- lots of people do exactly that and it works just fine) |
| 03:11.32 | codygman | Am I using ld incorrectly? http://paste.debian.net/51420/ |
| 03:13.10 | grimeton | codygman: i think you want to use ld -ltesseract or something |
| 03:13.28 | codygman | grimeton: Yes, how do I track down what name to use there? |
| 03:13.37 | codygman | look in the .deb setup maybe? |
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| 03:14.39 | codepython777 | is there a timeline somewhere for wheezy, till what year will it be supported? |
| 03:15.15 | grimeton | codygman: depends on the lib's name - it could be in the man page of the lib |
| 03:15.26 | grimeton | codygman: to see if it is there at all you can use ldconfig |
| 03:15.47 | grimeton | ldconfig -p | grep tesser |
| 03:16.01 | themill | dpkg: tell codepython777 about lifespan |
| 03:16.49 | codepython777 | themill: thanks. Is there a longer supported system from Debian? Like something that i know will work for 5 years? |
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| 03:17.06 | D|nA | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 03:17.09 | codygman | grimeton: http://paste.debian.net/51421/ |
| 03:17.10 | codepython777 | like ubuntu lts? |
| 03:17.16 | themill | codepython777: there is if you join with other people and do the security support for it |
| 03:17.34 | themill | codepython777: note that you do *not* get 5y support from an ubuntu lts despite what people seem to believe |
| 03:18.04 | codepython777 | themill: so LTS stops support before 5 years then? |
| 03:18.34 | themill | codepython777: you'd have to ask #ubuntu about what (quite small) portion of their packages they will actually support for that length of time |
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| 03:22.57 | grimeton | codygman: weird |
| 03:23.28 | grimeton | codygman: you installed the dev package? |
| 03:24.07 | grimeton | codygman: looks like the symlink to the .so file is missing which is usually the case if the dev package is missing |
| 03:25.07 | codygman | grimeton: I did not install the dev package, I just figured that out before I extracted the debs of teseract to read the build instructions lol |
| 03:25.22 | themill | codygman: you don't specify -llibfoo just -lfoo to ld (and the build system would normally be doing this for you) |
| 03:26.02 | zykotick9 | themill: while true for most lts releases, canonical claims to support 12.04 for 5 years on desktop as well (which is unusual!) at least according to what #u's ubotto says regarding <lts> |
| 03:26.53 | themill | zykotick9: it's still only a smallish subset of packages which can bit both desktop and server users badly if they don't realise that their network-facing $thingy hasn't been supported for 3 years... |
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| 03:27.24 | CCSabathia | hey guys! My name is john N! How yall doing today? |
| 03:27.43 | themill | CCSabathia: that was boring some time ago |
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| 03:55.19 | scooty_puff | Im trying to compile a 32bit library but its not letting me. I can compile it as 64bit fine, but when i run './configure --prefix=/tmp/libpng-eagle/install CFLAGS=-m32' it spitts out 'checking whether the C compiler works... no' |
| 03:55.47 | grimeton | scooty_puff: install a 32bit compiler |
| 03:56.04 | scooty_puff | 32bit gcc? |
| 03:56.07 | themill | gcc-multilib |
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| 04:24.32 | bambam_ | could someone help me out, I tried installing Debian (i've done this many times before) off a DVD. i go down to 'install' and press enter and the menu froze as it was. Now i can't boot at all. I can't boot optical media, I can't boot to USB. Help? |
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| 04:26.19 | grimeton | bambam_: sounds more like a hardware problem, doesn't it? |
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| 04:27.55 | bambam_ | grimeton: expound? |
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| 04:28.17 | bambam_ | grimeton: It was working just fine before |
| 04:28.30 | bambam_ | Cosmic rays screwed over a ram module or something? :p |
| 04:28.39 | grimeton | bambam_: nothing has been installed yet and your system is completely denying any boot media |
| 04:28.50 | grimeton | don't know, don't have a crystal ball at hand |
| 04:29.30 | bambam_ | grimeton: It happened to my friend too, same laptop, it was a thinkpad |
| 04:29.37 | bambam_ | well, ont the same model |
| 04:29.41 | bambam_ | same era |
| 04:29.43 | bambam_ | similar BIOS |
| 04:29.47 | grimeton | and the solution? |
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| 04:30.56 | bambam_ | grimeton: I'm told it was thrown away O_O |
| 04:31.02 | grimeton | ... |
| 04:31.40 | bambam_ | it must have been bricked? |
| 04:31.52 | grimeton | i don't know, but maybe a bios reset helps |
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| 04:34.35 | bambam_ | grimeton: like "restore to defaults" |
| 04:34.48 | grimeton | yeah it's worth a shot |
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| 04:38.07 | mumpitze1 | bambam_: what happens if you start the thinkpad? |
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| 04:41.46 | bambam_ | now it's suddenly start to work |
| 04:42.18 | bambam_ | mumpitze1: Do i need a hard drive to be present there? |
| 04:42.32 | bambam_ | slackware liveboot works now |
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| 04:42.47 | mumpitze1 | no you don't |
| 04:42.52 | mumpitze1 | what thinkpad is this? model? |
| 04:44.01 | bambam_ | mumpitze1: t61 |
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| 04:51.01 | bambam_ | mumpitze1: the installer identified the firmware i'm missing |
| 04:51.05 | bambam_ | should i skip and install later? |
| 04:51.10 | bambam_ | It's wireless stuff |
| 04:51.22 | bambam_ | wireless drivers* |
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| 04:53.10 | mumpitze1 | you can it you want to. depends if you need wlan to access the internet |
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| 04:58.18 | Susning | Is there any gui way to change the background picture on logon and lockscreen? |
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| 05:12.58 | mumpitze1 | Susning: debian comes with about a dozen different displaymanagers, each configured differently |
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| 05:14.54 | Susning | mumpizel so the answer is no? if not, what would be a proper guide to change those background pictures. i've tried following two without success. |
| 05:15.11 | Susning | seems like a quite basic thing to do to change a background picture or two but i might be wrong :) |
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| 05:24.03 | rryoumaa | feh can change the background picture |
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| 05:27.05 | Susning | rryoumaa, for the logon and lock screen as well? |
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| 05:27.41 | rryoumaa | ah, didn't catch that part |
| 05:28.18 | rryoumaa | this is unix. there are probably 14 1/2 ways to change each of them, each with its own syntax, gotchas, and caveats |
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| 05:29.03 | rryoumaa | (and one desktop way that provides an undesirable layer of abstraction) |
| 05:29.17 | Susning | rryoumaa, of course there is. but if there where any simple non fucking up way instead of putting hours in to it i would like to just.. pick one, if possible. |
| 05:29.36 | Susning | sometimes i prefer not making very simple things difficult, like changing backgrounds. |
| 05:29.52 | Susning | i've found two guides, which of this looks most relevant. http://fabhax.com/technology/change-wallpapers-in-gnome-3.4/ |
| 05:30.16 | Susning | but i failed at the first command "su - Debian-gdm -s /bin/bash" |
| 05:30.21 | themill | rryoumaa: I think you'll find that all ways including xsetroot are abstractions and the "desktop way" is no more of an abstraction than any other |
| 05:30.25 | Susning | so that didn't go very well. |
| 05:30.32 | rryoumaa | themill: ah, nice to know |
| 05:30.36 | grimeton | Susning: the idea should be: figure out the tool that does the logon (xdm, lightdm, whatever), then figure out the way to reconfigure it |
| 05:30.50 | grimeton | Susning: same goes for the lockscreen |
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| 05:31.28 | Susning | i think i need to find a guide or something. that is correct. |
| 05:31.47 | Susning | i'm not much for reinventing the wheel over and over again :) |
| 05:32.01 | grimeton | this isn't reinventing the wheel, this is how it should be done |
| 05:32.55 | Susning | ok. but then i need to find a guide how it should be done then :p |
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| 05:33.07 | jready | Anyone running KDE on Wheezy? |
| 05:33.17 | grimeton | Susning: figure out the desktop manager that does the logon |
| 05:33.28 | grimeton | Susning: then read the man page of said desktop manager |
| 05:36.25 | Susning | ok. thanks. |
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| 05:51.23 | reavengrey | Anyway, now I can get some sleep, at least |
| 05:51.26 | reavengrey | Knowing that the script works |
| 05:51.36 | reavengrey | I can just finish up in the morning when I awake |
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| 05:52.36 | nhubbard | I have a custom repo with some custom build packages. One on set of our servers I can't install any packages from it. If I do an apt-cache search pkgname the package doesn't show up, but if I do an apt-cache showpkg pkgname it shows the details. apt-get install pkgname returns: Package 'pkgname' has no installation candidate. Any thoughts on what I'm missing? |
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| 05:57.37 | nonconvergent | what the hell did I just do? |
| 05:58.00 | reavengrey | rm root? |
| 05:58.05 | reavengrey | ;_; |
| 05:58.31 | nonconvergent | No. $ sudo find / -name 'vim*' | grep [png|jpg|ico|svg] |
| 05:58.48 | nonconvergent | I'm pretty sure the grep term was wrong, but I wanted to see what it would do then fix it. |
| 05:59.15 | nonconvergent | It spawns another window of scanning...something? I see snow and polyhedra. |
| 05:59.16 | reavengrey | grep 'png\|jpg\|ico\|svg' |
| 05:59.24 | reavengrey | Should work |
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| 06:00.12 | reavengrey | also, [png|jpg|ico|svg] means |
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| 06:00.39 | reavengrey | Match any of the characters p, n, g, |, j, i, c, s, v |
| 06:00.44 | reavengrey | once |
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| 06:01.09 | joj | reavengrey: isn't the | operator a POSIX extension? it should be grep -E '(\.png$)|(\.pdf$)' and so on |
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| 06:01.41 | reavengrey | Oh, thanks |
| 06:03.04 | themill | you can just "grep -e foo -e bar" too |
| 06:03.32 | joj | themill: whatever is faster ... |
| 06:04.03 | themill | makes little difference. the slow part will be typing it and getting the syntax right, as shown over the last 5 minutes |
| 06:04.25 | reavengrey | themill with the snipes |
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| 06:04.31 | reavengrey | pew pew |
| 06:05.54 | themill | nah... it's a #bash thing to want to spend an hour optimising a command that will take 1s to run. It doesn't do anyone much good. |
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| 06:26.06 | nonconvergent | It's weird what it produced. |
| 06:26.48 | grimeton | nonconvergent: grep -E '.*(png|jpg|ico|svg)$' |
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| 06:42.27 | useelin | hi all |
| 06:42.39 | useelin | how effective block incoming udp port? |
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| 06:42.59 | grimeton | iptables -I INPUT -p udp -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable |
| 06:43.51 | grimeton | useelin: you should close the whole box and then open what you need |
| 06:43.58 | grimeton | useelin: that's the best way to create a packet filter |
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| 06:44.08 | grimeton | useelin: just filtering on a specific port or protocol isn't really secure |
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| 06:45.33 | Gorby_ | debian won't accept my password |
| 06:45.42 | Gorby_ | it's saying incorrect |
| 06:45.59 | grimeton | Gorby_: that bitch ;) |
| 06:46.05 | EdLin | Gorby_, check capslock first |
| 06:46.09 | grimeton | Gorby_: sure you have the right user/password combination? |
| 06:46.11 | Gorby_ | wat do |
| 06:47.24 | EdLin | Gorby_, if all else fails, boot to single user mode and change your password. |
| 06:47.42 | Gorby_ | i went to recovery mode and reset pass |
| 06:47.45 | Gorby_ | well funny thing is |
| 06:47.48 | Gorby_ | the login prompt does not show list of users |
| 06:48.04 | EdLin | more /etc/passwd then |
| 06:48.09 | EdLin | that'll give you a list. |
| 06:48.15 | useelin | iptables only? other metod? |
| 06:48.23 | Gorby_ | EdLin: more /etc/passwd? |
| 06:48.28 | grimeton | useelin: what are you trying todo exactly? |
| 06:48.31 | EdLin | yeah, or less works too. |
| 06:48.39 | EdLin | but less would be a linuxism. |
| 06:48.48 | Gorby_ | i've installed three times already |
| 06:48.49 | grimeton | EdLin: tell me more |
| 06:48.50 | grimeton | ;) |
| 06:48.51 | Gorby_ | at first i thought i may have entered the password wrong |
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| 06:49.28 | grimeton | Gorby_: eeer maybe the keyboard layout doesn't match after the install? |
| 06:49.44 | EdLin | grimeton, less is a program that's not part of the set included in most SysV or even Berkeley systems, so one should be aware of that when not in Linux. |
| 06:49.56 | grimeton | EdLin: ah, wait, i forgot the sarcasm mark, nvm |
| 06:50.30 | EdLin | besides, most home user /etc/passwds are small enough for more to handle, and I don't want to explain to him how to exit less. |
| 06:50.52 | Gorby_ | EdLin: i was sure to select USA |
| 06:50.56 | grimeton | yeah, pressing "q", as you do in more, is way to complicated |
| 06:50.57 | Gorby_ | i was sure to select USA |
| 06:51.01 | Gorby_ | root pass works |
| 06:51.04 | Gorby_ | shouldn't this usually work |
| 06:51.08 | Gorby_ | EdLin: ? |
| 06:51.19 | EdLin | grimeton, more also quits the file at end of file, less does not. |
| 06:52.07 | EdLin | Gorby_, if you have the root password, just type in passwd and the name of your user, and change it. |
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| 06:52.15 | EdLin | at the root prompt |
| 06:52.31 | Gorby_ | it says "password updated successfully" |
| 06:52.40 | Gorby_ | i did that, EdLin |
| 06:52.40 | EdLin | Gorby_, then voila, it should work. |
| 06:52.52 | Gorby_ | let me try rebooting again |
| 06:52.59 | grimeton | Gorby_: wait |
| 06:53.10 | grimeton | Gorby_: did you boot from the dvd right now? |
| 06:53.27 | Gorby_ | grimeton: no |
| 06:53.30 | grimeton | Gorby_: ok, fine |
| 06:53.33 | Gorby_ | from install |
| 06:53.36 | grimeton | uargh |
| 06:53.38 | grimeton | not fine |
| 06:53.45 | grimeton | you DID NOT boot from the harddrive? |
| 06:54.15 | Gorby_ | I did, grimeton |
| 06:54.21 | grimeton | ah, ok |
| 06:54.40 | Gorby_ | so is a reboot in order or what, grimeton |
| 06:54.48 | Gorby_ | each time i made sure i entered the password correctly |
| 06:55.00 | grimeton | yeah, go on |
| 06:55.05 | EdLin | Gorby_, a reboot shouldn't be needed. Just type su username at your root prompt now and you'll be in. |
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| 06:55.19 | Gorby_ | i booted 'recovery mode' and it recognizes my root pass |
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| 06:57.15 | Gorby_ | what if i'm not in recovery anymore, EdLin |
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| 06:58.57 | Gorby_ | EdLin grimeton okay so i did su gorby |
| 06:59.01 | Gorby_ | what now |
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| 06:59.15 | grimeton | Gorby_: i don't think it's the best idea to logon like that |
| 06:59.20 | grimeton | logout and login as gorby directly |
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| 07:01.50 | Gorby_ | how do i do that grimeton |
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| 07:02.03 | grimeton | Gorby_: type exit till you see the login: prompt again |
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| 07:02.08 | grimeton | then logon with your username and password |
| 07:02.31 | Gorby_ | how do you explain this kind of things |
| 07:02.33 | Gorby_ | why? |
| 07:02.40 | Gorby_ | can you explain what's happening |
| 07:02.50 | grimeton | Gorby_: ehm, what? |
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| 07:03.48 | Gorby_ | i installed an operating system |
| 07:04.02 | Gorby_ | why did it tell me "incorrect password" |
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| 07:04.05 | Gorby_ | how did this all happen |
| 07:04.09 | Gorby_ | EdLin? grimeton ? |
| 07:04.11 | grimeton | Gorby_: you did something wrong |
| 07:04.18 | grimeton | usually it's pebcak if the password isn't accepted |
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| 07:05.24 | Gorby_ | grimeton: but i did this three times |
| 07:05.26 | Gorby_ | why did this happen |
| 07:05.35 | grimeton | Gorby_: you did it three times wrong i suppose |
| 07:06.00 | Gorby_ | there was nothing i could have done wrong |
| 07:07.07 | grimeton | Gorby_: i can't tell you |
| 07:07.10 | Gorby_ | i am pretty sure i did this correctly |
| 07:07.16 | Gorby_ | it was an install process |
| 07:07.25 | grimeton | it would be gambling ... |
| 07:07.33 | Gorby_ | yes no yes no set root pass |
| 07:07.35 | Gorby_ | set name |
| 07:07.36 | Gorby_ | set pass |
| 07:07.38 | Gorby_ | etc |
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| 07:07.38 | grimeton | # cat /dev/crystallball |
| 07:07.39 | grimeton | cat: /dev/crystallball: No such device or address |
| 07:08.42 | Gorby_ | i did this three times |
| 07:08.46 | Gorby_ | it's impossible |
| 07:09.23 | Gorby_ | i reset the password using root |
| 07:09.32 | Gorby_ | it still won't work |
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| 07:10.44 | Gorby_ | it;s absurd |
| 07:10.54 | Gorby_ | grimeton: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=104541 |
| 07:10.59 | Gorby_ | same exact scenario |
| 07:11.03 | Gorby_ | except with lxde |
| 07:11.37 | grimeton | Gorby_: i can't say - don't have a crystall ball at hand |
| 07:12.06 | Gorby_ | "There must be a bug somewhere in the keyboard handling mechanism that gets downloaded during the net-install download of files." |
| 07:12.23 | Gorby_ | nobody of the fine people at #debian have any sweet haxs for me? |
| 07:12.45 | Gorby_ | how on earth |
| 07:12.52 | Gorby_ | that is one hell of a bug |
| 07:13.05 | grimeton | life is full of dissappointments |
| 07:13.08 | Gorby_ | something so fundamental |
| 07:13.21 | Gorby_ | I mean |
| 07:13.27 | Gorby_ | What on God's green earth is this |
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| 07:14.06 | Gorby_ | 20 years of Debian and there are bugs like this? |
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| 07:16.25 | Gorby_ | what do I do then EdLin |
| 07:17.00 | EdLin | Gorby_, I am not experiencing any such bug, I suspect you thought you were typing one thing, and typed another - three times. It's happened to me too. |
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| 07:17.24 | Gorby_ | EdLin: this isn't the case |
| 07:17.36 | Gorby_ | i reset the password |
| 07:17.38 | Gorby_ | it still doesn't work |
| 07:17.39 | EdLin | whatever, obviously there's no way of me prooving it. |
| 07:17.53 | Gorby_ | how do you explain the fact that i can change the password successfully in single user mode |
| 07:18.06 | Gorby_ | I'm running an ibm thinkpad |
| 07:18.17 | Gorby_ | it's about as Linux friendly as it gets |
| 07:18.18 | EdLin | because you didn't make the same error that time. |
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| 07:18.32 | Gorby_ | this is some surreal stuff |
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| 07:18.34 | themill | It would be handy if you could be more precise than "I reset the password" and "it still doesn't work" |
| 07:18.39 | EdLin | it's not hardware, it's the connection between your brain and your fingers. |
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| 07:19.06 | Gorby_ | EdLin: you sure it isn't? Someone just pointed out it was a bug, a forum post from a couple weeks ago |
| 07:19.20 | themill | Gorby_: that was from a user that wasn't running Debian... |
| 07:19.22 | EdLin | forum posts say all kinds of things. |
| 07:19.46 | EdLin | Debian gets frozen for months, so something like this doesn't usually escape notice. |
| 07:20.07 | Gorby_ | i type in passwd gorby |
| 07:20.11 | Gorby_ | i type in passwd crocjogger |
| 07:20.14 | Gorby_ | i type it in |
| 07:20.18 | Gorby_ | er |
| 07:20.26 | Gorby_ | they ask me enter new unix password |
| 07:20.30 | Gorby_ | i type it in |
| 07:20.34 | themill | where are you typing this? |
| 07:20.35 | Gorby_ | i retype when it asks me to |
| 07:20.40 | Gorby_ | 'password updated successfully' |
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| 07:20.45 | Gorby_ | well, i can try downloading another image |
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| 07:21.06 | themill | What installer image is this? |
| 07:21.11 | Gorby_ | themill: in 'single user mode' |
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| 07:21.59 | Gorby_ | themill: debian wheezy amd64 lxde |
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| 07:22.36 | themill | a different installer image is unlikely to make any difference then |
| 07:23.56 | Gorby_ | i dont know maybe it's a bug particular to this particular image |
| 07:24.04 | Gorby_ | i have a gnome 3 image as well |
| 07:24.09 | Gorby_ | that didn't seem to have any issues |
| 07:24.39 | themill | if you try to log in at the text console rather than into the display manager, does it work? |
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| 07:26.52 | guest123456 | hello |
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| 07:27.39 | guest123456 | Looking for some help with a small script which can reconnect to my VPN provider |
| 07:28.34 | guest123456 | My ISP connection keeps dropping and my headless device (which runs some variant of Debain, I think, keeps showing tun0 but there is not data transfer happening. |
| 07:28.59 | guest123456 | So, I have to login via SSH and then do: ifconfig tun0 down and then ifconfig tun0 up |
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| 07:29.42 | guest123456 | can someone help me write a small script which can detect if there is no data transfer and then issue the two ifconfig commands every 5 minutes? |
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| 07:32.07 | nonconvergent | If I'm building something from source, should I target /usr/local/ for everything? this one targets /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/man in addtion to /usr/bin |
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| 07:32.53 | well_laid_lawn | that makes uninstalls a bit easier sometimes |
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| 07:34.16 | joj | Hi. I use multiple Iceweasel profiles in parallel, with the main profile loaded in the usual way, and all other profiles run with `iceweasel -no-remote -P $profilename`. The problem: ALL instances started with -no-remote do NOT detect my mozplugger plugin. Any hints on how to fix this? |
| 07:36.11 | nonconvergent | I'm just wondering if they'll be in path for anything looking for them. .bash_profile and .profile take care of my $PATH for bin |
| 07:36.21 | nonconvergent | where does man look? |
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| 07:38.53 | joj | nonconvergent: man(1) considers /usr/share/man/* and /usr/local/share/man/* without any alterations made to $PATH, it doesn't depend on them. Look at the manpage for the mandb command for info on how to configure its behaviour. |
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| 07:40.36 | joj | nonconvergent: oh and run `manpath` for a list of the configured locations |
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| 07:42.00 | guest123456 | My ISP connection keeps dropping and my headless device (which runs some variant of Debain, I think) keeps showing tun0 but there is not data transfer happening. |
| 07:42.19 | guest123456 | So, I have to issue ifconfig tun0 down and then ifconfig tun0 up automatically. |
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| 07:57.32 | well_laid_lawn | guest123456: what is the command you run to check for data transfer > |
| 07:57.34 | well_laid_lawn | ? |
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| 08:01.21 | nonconvergent | I've got a binary looking for a lib that it's got in a local directory... and it's telling me anything through ldd |
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| 08:08.28 | well_laid_lawn | are you running the binary from the directory with the lib in it, check with which 'binary' |
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| 08:18.02 | nonconvergent | well_laid_lawn: Yes, I am. |
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| 08:29.54 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/51579/ This issue came up too |
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| 08:32.57 | ryan42 | [C/win |
| 08:33.31 | mcmat | hi. Using debian testing, since an update last week, during the early boot it fails to find the resume device (suspend to disk). It takes 5 minutes before asking the resume device or to skip the resuming. My resume device is a swap on an LVM. What should I do to fix this (it worked before the update)? |
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| 08:34.46 | talin | hello. i am looking for the enlightenment package on debian using apt-cache search enlightenment |
| 08:34.50 | talin | but i can't quite find it |
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| 08:35.22 | mcmat | talin: i think the package is called e17 or something like that |
| 08:35.38 | talin | mcmat: i searched for that as well |
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| 08:36.27 | mcmat | talin: package e17 is only in testing or unstable. i dunno why, though |
| 08:36.57 | talin | mcmat: i think it's version 16.9999 or something now |
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| 08:37.31 | talin | hmm, or not. 17 seems to have been released actually |
| 08:37.42 | mcmat | $ apt-cache policy e17 |
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| 08:40.19 | darklajid | I'm trying to modify a source package and need to run autoconf/automake afterwards. Would I add that to debian/rules? Any magic to do something like that? |
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| 08:40.37 | talin | mcmat: it can't find any package with that name |
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| 08:41.11 | arietis | is smartctl long test works in background? |
| 08:41.22 | arietis | i got such output: |
| 08:41.31 | arietis | Test will complete after Sun Oct 6 15:18:32 2013 |
| 08:41.32 | arietis | Use smartctl -X to abort test. |
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| 08:41.55 | arietis | and after that i returned back to terminal prompt |
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| 08:42.37 | mcmat | talin: for me it finds it because my aptitude is configured for pinning. It gives 0.17.3-1 in unstable and 0.16.999.70492-2 in testing. see http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/e17.html if you want to find why it's not in stable |
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| 08:47.32 | quetzal05 | moin |
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| 08:48.17 | quetzal05 | weiss jemand grad auswendig wie ich bei einer mysql replikation den abstand zwischen master und slave reduzieren kann |
| 08:48.29 | quetzal05 | der ist bei mir grade bei 15 stunden |
| 08:48.33 | grimeton | quetzal05: E_WRONG_LANGUAGE |
| 08:48.40 | quetzal05 | oh sorry :) |
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| 09:08.40 | b_52globe | guys i'm trying to install apache 2 |
| 09:08.47 | b_52globe | but i'm having this error : http://pastie.org/8381400 |
| 09:08.51 | b_52globe | i'm using squeeze |
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| 09:08.56 | b_52globe | i know i should upgrade :D |
| 09:11.55 | Mathisen | can you post your sources.list b_52globe |
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| 09:13.18 | b_52globe | Mathisen, http://pastie.org/8381405 |
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| 09:16.18 | mumpitze1 | b_52globe: you need to fix your init scripts |
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| 09:17.44 | b_52globe | mumpitze1, ok thanks checking it |
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| 09:17.57 | mumpitze1 | b_52globe: where is your nginx from? |
| 09:18.17 | b_52globe | mumpitze1, i compile it manually |
| 09:18.22 | b_52globe | not from apt-get |
| 09:19.19 | mumpitze1 | !tell b_52globe about insserv |
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| 09:20.00 | mumpitze1 | you need to add proper LSB tags to your nginx start script and any others (vmware ones mainly). you can for example check the debian nginx package for how it should look like |
| 09:20.37 | b_52globe | mumpitze1, ok i see |
| 09:20.38 | b_52globe | thanks |
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| 09:31.11 | terminalRepeat | I am trying to create a .deb using checkinstall WITHOUT installing anything. But, checkinstall simply ignores the --install=no flag. Does anyone have any idea ? |
| 09:31.18 | terminalRepeat | I'm using wheezy. |
| 09:32.52 | terminalRepeat | I tried checkinstall --fstrans=yes --install=no, followed by checkinstall --install=no - nothing really works. It just complains about "install: cannot create directory " and that's it. |
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| 09:54.07 | seatsea | Hi, I'm having a probleme where when I boot my computer I get the error uknown file system and then grub recovery, this started happening right when I installed debian in dual boot with windows |
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| 09:56.13 | mumpitze1 | seatsea: what's the output of sudo fdisk -l and what is your grub.cfg content? |
| 09:57.00 | mumpitze1 | seatsea: you could reinstall grub (with grub-install) and then run grub-update. it might fix it |
| 09:57.15 | seatsea | I'm not managing to boot debian in the first place |
| 09:57.36 | seatsea | But I am using grml |
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| 09:57.59 | mumpitze1 | grml is fine |
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| 09:58.41 | mumpitze1 | !reinstall grub |
| 09:58.41 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 10:01.51 | seatsea | In those instuction do I have to replace your by sda6 which is the partion debian is on? |
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| 10:03.24 | mumpitze1 | no /your/root is your mountpoint where you mounted your debian |
| 10:03.31 | mumpitze1 | so /mnt/debian/dev or such |
| 10:03.33 | seatsea | Ok |
| 10:03.40 | mumpitze1 | have you mounted your debian yet? |
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| 10:03.53 | seatsea | yes |
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| 10:06.51 | mumpitze1 | and the mountpoint is? |
| 10:07.27 | seatsea | ./media/sda6, at least I think thats the mountpoint |
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| 10:11.47 | seatsea | Yes /media/sda6 is the mountpoint |
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| 10:14.45 | mumpitze1 | ok mount -o bind /dev/ /media/sda6/dev then |
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| 10:18.20 | seatsea | ok |
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| 10:23.05 | seatsea | chroot /media/sda6 is not working, or am I typing the command wrong? |
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| 10:33.44 | ElectricMan | Trying to install Debian to an xSeries 346. I Downloaded "debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso". I can see the first menu when i boot from the CD, but when i click "Install" it looks like this; http://memorymatic.se/temp/IMG_2013100649653.jpg |
| 10:33.48 | ElectricMan | Ideas? |
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| 10:36.59 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 10:37.48 | eptalon | I do have a problem with printing (cups, hp laserjet 5m; debian sid). Problem as follows: how can I be sure the whole page is printed? |
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| 10:58.04 | ElectricMan | No ideas? I can start the "Expert install", but it is too advanced for me... :P |
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| 10:58.24 | ElectricMan | I just want to start the standard installer without the grapical crap. |
| 10:58.49 | eptalon | what graphical crap? |
| 10:59.06 | Nik05 | the default install isnt graphical |
| 10:59.50 | ElectricMan | Then why does it look like this when i enter the install? http://memorymatic.se/temp/IMG_2013100649653.jpg |
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| 11:00.14 | ElectricMan | I can see the first selection menu ok, but when i start the "install" it looks like that. |
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| 11:08.22 | seatsea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:59.10 | useelin | hi. how install leopardflower firewall on debian. need advanced use GUI firewall. |
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| 11:59.21 | b0lt | What is required to get the "openssl sha256" command on squeeze? It currently says that command is invalid. No, I can't upgrade this machine to stable atm, but I could perhaps backport something? |
| 11:59.41 | mjt | whos says and which command is invalid? |
| 12:00.13 | b0lt | mjt: openssl says so when "openssh sha256" is entered |
| 12:00.27 | b0lt | s/ssh/ssl |
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| 12:00.40 | mjt | ahh. like `openssl foo' says `foo: is an invalid command' |
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| 12:00.46 | b0lt | mjt: that. |
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| 12:01.06 | b0lt | i know that works on wheezy |
| 12:01.13 | b0lt | but i need it on squeeze |
| 12:01.15 | mjt | so you need a new openssl with support of sha256.. |
| 12:01.18 | b0lt | yep |
| 12:02.10 | b0lt | is it simply the openssl package itself which does this? can i just upgrade that? or is it some module I need to install= |
| 12:02.30 | mjt | (i thought sha256 is pretty old and expected it to be available even before lenny.. but it looks like i'm wrong) |
| 12:03.01 | b0lt | it probably was available, just not as a command to openssl. the box has tools like sha256sum |
| 12:03.08 | arietis | any ideas if this log contains any stuff i need to fix? http://pastebin.com/BavZTB6b |
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| 12:04.15 | mjt | arietis: sure, and i'd say you can guess that yourself. This drive has 32 unreadable sectors |
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| 12:04.42 | mjt | b0lt: openssl is pretty much self-contained |
| 12:05.01 | mjt | b0lt: (but debian packages build a separate shared library) |
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| 12:06.25 | tremon | arietis: plus, that disk already has 1798 sector relocations because of disk errors. Replace the disk asap |
| 12:06.33 | useelin | arietis: vai runa latviski? |
| 12:06.46 | tremon | useelin: not in this channel |
| 12:07.08 | eptalon | arietis: in what way do you use the disk? |
| 12:07.26 | mjt | yeah as tremon said. i haven't noticed this. |
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| 12:07.33 | mjt | definitely replace |
| 12:07.34 | b0lt | mjt: i'll try backporting a newer one, then |
| 12:07.53 | eptalon | arietis: do you have a backup of your data? |
| 12:08.04 | arietis | it's used in NAS |
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| 12:08.09 | mjt | b0lt: it should be rather simple (and might be alredy available in bpo50), as it install side-by-side with previous version |
| 12:08.17 | eptalon | arietis: RAID? |
| 12:08.20 | mjt | (or bpo60, whatever ;) |
| 12:08.20 | arietis | no |
| 12:08.33 | arietis | i don't need back up |
| 12:08.41 | eptalon | arietis: so: 1) backup data 2) replace disk. |
| 12:08.43 | arietis | it's for movies collection etc |
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| 12:09.14 | eptalon | arietis: your data is important to you. it is not important to us what your data is. |
| 12:09.51 | eptalon | arietis: I lost about two years of "family history" digital imgs because of a disk failure. |
| 12:10.27 | arietis | wonder if this will be good replacement http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-701338.pdf |
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| 12:11.49 | eptalon | arietis: they say these are good for raid; however they are also relatively expensive. |
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| 12:12.47 | Benkinooby | hi, what's the best way to share a folder over internet from my debian box to windows, mac and linux computers? |
| 12:13.13 | eptalon | Benkinooby: probably samba. |
| 12:13.16 | mjt | over internet? I'd say using a web-server/browser... ;) |
| 12:13.34 | abrotman | eptalon: you know that's not possible? |
| 12:13.34 | eptalon | oh, no, not samba over internet. |
| 12:13.55 | abrotman | Benkinooby: one time or long term? |
| 12:13.59 | mjt | or something like google disk :) |
| 12:14.05 | Benkinooby | eptalon: just wanted to ask, afaik samba over inetnet is not recommended |
| 12:14.12 | Benkinooby | abrotman: long term |
| 12:14.17 | Benkinooby | currently we use dropbox |
| 12:14.29 | abrotman | Benkinooby: you can use sshfs, or choose something like nfs over vpn |
| 12:14.37 | eptalon | Benkinooby: If its once, or a few times only, I'd use an usb stick. |
| 12:14.44 | Benkinooby | abrotman: i am using sshfs for linux-linux |
| 12:14.45 | abrotman | eptalon: over the internet? |
| 12:14.58 | mjt | pigeons with usb sticks... ;) |
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| 12:16.02 | Benkinooby | mjt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers |
| 12:16.06 | Benkinooby | :) |
| 12:16.14 | Benkinooby | there are RFCs for that |
| 12:16.30 | mjt | yes, that's exactly what i mean |
| 12:17.55 | Benkinooby | eptalon: it sould be permanent solution |
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| 12:18.32 | Benkinooby | abrotman: i was afraid it'd head to vpn+nfs :/ |
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| 12:18.47 | Benkinooby | why can't mac and win just hafe sshfs :( |
| 12:18.50 | abrotman | Benkinooby: you can do vpn+samba I believe |
| 12:18.50 | Benkinooby | *have |
| 12:19.01 | abrotman | and /me is fairly certain they can do sshfs ? |
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| 12:19.29 | themill | synchronisation (dropbox, git-annex) and file shares (cifs, nfs) are quite different things |
| 12:19.41 | eptalon | in any case, the large amount of setup time there is probably the vpn, not what other things you run over it |
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| 12:20.09 | abrotman | Benkinooby: google of "sshfs windows" gives a result |
| 12:20.13 | Benkinooby | themill: i know. but in general, filesharing is all we need. syncro was just a nice feature we didn't really need (it was convienient though) |
| 12:20.19 | eptalon | themill: I wouldn't use "cloud" services for possibly private data. |
| 12:20.28 | Benkinooby | abrotman: jep, i'm at it |
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| 12:22.57 | Benkinooby | um, what about webdav? |
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| 12:23.06 | Benkinooby | or some secure ftp? |
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| 12:23.56 | abrotman | Benkinooby: think filesystem |
| 12:24.04 | eptalon | Benkinooby: you want to avoid concurrent change probs? |
| 12:24.18 | quinso | I installed KDE and whenever I launch some root-requiring program, it wants my root password, not user password I use in sudo. How do I fix it? |
| 12:24.45 | Benkinooby | eptalon: you mean file conflicts? |
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| 12:25.06 | Benkinooby | abrotman: huh? i don't understand what you want to say with that |
| 12:25.25 | eptalon | Benkinooby: yep; suppose you "download" the file, and while you work on it, I do too. About tomorrow, we have two different versions of the same file. |
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| 12:26.13 | eptalon | Benkinooby: you can either do some file versioning, or you have a common file system which ideally prevents concurrent write access. |
| 12:26.16 | Benkinooby | eptalon: well. we rarely modify the data. it will be ok |
| 12:27.41 | Benkinooby | eptalon: it is just a collection of internal how-tos and and information. sometimes some1 updates a file here and there - but it's not like we are developing any program where files get frequently modified |
| 12:28.00 | Benkinooby | eptalon: so making the files available will be enough |
| 12:28.02 | themill | Benkinooby: what sort of files are these? |
| 12:28.05 | eptalon | Benkinooby: from a user perspective vpn + some tool needs to be configured once only. ftp/or similar need user training. |
| 12:28.14 | Benkinooby | eptalon: yeah :( |
| 12:28.41 | abrotman | why not use a wiki? with a password? |
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| 12:29.00 | Benkinooby | themill: just wrote it: internal how-tos, manuals and notes. quite static and only changed from time to time by a small group of persons |
| 12:29.14 | themill | I was hoping for "file types" |
| 12:29.30 | Benkinooby | abrotman: because running a webserver and all that seems to be more risky than just sharing a folder |
| 12:29.34 | eptalon | themill: likely some office format. |
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| 12:29.57 | Benkinooby | abrotman: also it is a wiki - offline wiki. it's called wikidpad |
| 12:30.31 | Benkinooby | maybe i'll explain it a bit further (hope it's not too offtopic here) |
| 12:30.36 | Benkinooby | or shoudl i take it ot? |
| 12:30.58 | themill | Benkinooby: a wiki would probably serve you better than dealing with all the other problems associated with sharing files and managing them. Plus, you're already trying to implement it as a wiki |
| 12:31.35 | Benkinooby | themill: give me a sec to describe my situation |
| 12:32.54 | abrotman | hopes it's on one line |
| 12:33.08 | Benkinooby | i'm trying my best :) |
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| 12:35.55 | Benkinooby | Every year, 4 volunteers from Austria are going to work in a school in ghana. since part of their work is teaching over time a considerable collection of handouts, how-tos, materials came to be. for a long time we handed stuff to the next "generation" via pen-drive. but things get lost and often work is redone, becuase the existence of a file was just not know. We can not run it on a webserver, since internet connection in ghana is very bad. Ol |
| 12:36.17 | abrotman | truncated! |
| 12:36.23 | Benkinooby | no |
| 12:36.27 | Benkinooby | i stoped at etc. |
| 12:36.36 | themill | no... you stopped at "bad. Ol" |
| 12:36.41 | Benkinooby | oh |
| 12:36.54 | TheXman_2 | Hello everyone, again |
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| 12:36.57 | Benkinooby | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.58 | Benkinooby | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.11 | TheXman_2 | I need a script which can detect when Internet connectivity is lost and then issue two commands. |
| 12:37.12 | Benkinooby | argh :( |
| 12:37.35 | abrotman | so a network filesystem is bad anyway? |
| 12:37.41 | eptalon | TheXman_2: cronjob, ping google, or somesuch? |
| 12:37.43 | abrotman | TheXman_2: and those two commands do what? |
| 12:37.48 | TheXman_2 | e.g. ping some IP, if fail, then do (ifconfig tun0 down; ifconfig tun0 up) |
| 12:38.02 | TheXman_2 | else ignore for 10 min. |
| 12:38.03 | themill | Benkinooby: so a filesystem share would be a bad plan -- you can't really use something like samba here because you won't have an internet connection |
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| 12:39.21 | buu | themill: clearly he needs git |
| 12:39.26 | Benkinooby | abrotman, themill it will work. internet is bad, not available. it's just slow, unstable and expensive. for exaple i helped them out with downloading big data by providing it on a rsync server so that they can rsync it |
| 12:39.36 | themill | buu: agreed ;) |
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| 12:39.42 | Benkinooby | oh sorry |
| 12:39.49 | TheXman_2 | @eptalon: Thanks. I will look for how to setup a cronjob |
| 12:39.52 | Benkinooby | * not not-available |
| 12:39.57 | Benkinooby | it is available |
| 12:40.36 | Benkinooby | we were already thinking about git... |
| 12:40.53 | buu | Benkinooby: Use git! Everyone gets all the fun of learning incredibly arcane programmer related tools with obscure commandlines and bizarre shortcuts. Also it does some useful stuff for working on distributed projects. |
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| 12:41.33 | Benkinooby | buu: well, we just tought about it... guess why we're on dropbox ;) |
| 12:41.45 | eptalon | Benkinooby: sounds like a good idea, you can have a "local copy" down in ghana, which you sync periodically. |
| 12:41.45 | Dewi | Benkinooby: rsync sounds best to me. Git would also work, but is only worth the complexity if you need history / bidirectional / merging changesets |
| 12:41.46 | buu | Benkinooby: There might be a gui for git =] |
| 12:41.47 | themill | git-annex assistant! |
| 12:42.16 | Benkinooby | buu: git is way over the top for reasons Dewi just mentioned |
| 12:42.21 | Dewi | Benkinooby: dropbox is the only tool I've used that makes bidirectional sync truly easy |
| 12:42.26 | abrotman | i thought mediawiki or one of those had a way to downlaod the articles as an archive? |
| 12:42.33 | TheXman_2 | eptalon: I found how to setup the cron job, but I need help in putting the shell script together. |
| 12:42.34 | Benkinooby | Dewi: i have the same experience :( |
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| 12:43.49 | Benkinooby | abrotman: yeah, but i heasitat to run a webserver - that would take all that to the next level. until now, all i have i a folder, that i occasionally want to share from ghana to europe |
| 12:43.54 | buu | Is there no way to make ping give you 0 or 1 if host is up? |
| 12:44.08 | eptalon | Benkinooby: Suppose I get a nice gui tool, the benefit of git, over say subversion is that you have multiple repositories, which are not necessarily in sync. However if the files are binary, diffing is kinda hard. |
| 12:44.41 | abrotman | buu: yes |
| 12:44.44 | eptalon | buu: ping 5 times, and look that you get at last 3 replies (with wc -l)? |
| 12:45.01 | Benkinooby | eptalon: they are textfiles mainly. we have binary files but those are mainly ISOs. some docx but usually only 1 person works on them, if anything |
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| 12:45.10 | abrotman | eptalon: ew |
| 12:45.41 | Benkinooby | TheXman_2: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6118948/bash-loop-ping-successful |
| 12:46.04 | buu | TheXman_2: ping -c 1 $ip; if [ $? -neq 0 ]; do ifdown; ifup; fi |
| 12:46.19 | buu | guesses wildly |
| 12:46.55 | buu | TheXman_2: ping -c 1 $ip > /dev/null; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; do ifdown; ifup; fi |
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| 12:47.08 | Benkinooby | oh, so to wrap it up: it's either vpn + LAN sharing or rsync or sshfs |
| 12:47.11 | eptalon | buu: ping -c 5; if ['wc -l' > 3]; ... |
| 12:47.31 | buu | ... what |
| 12:47.53 | eptalon | Benkinooby: <ou said inet down there was hazardous/expensive. |
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| 12:48.06 | Benkinooby | yes |
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| 12:48.24 | Benkinooby | eptalon: ^ |
| 12:48.28 | themill | so you can't really use any of these vpn+samba ideas and you don't want to be connected all the time to use sshfs |
| 12:48.38 | TheXman_2 | Benkinooby: Thanks. I am looking at the examples, but in my case the device is a headless one. There is no one watching it. |
| 12:48.49 | Benkinooby | TheXman_2: oh, ok |
| 12:48.56 | TheXman_2 | Benkinooby: So I am still not sure which one of these I really need. |
| 12:48.56 | themill | Benkinooby: I'd still go for git-annex. Or look at ikiwiki which is a git-based wiki that you can clone to make other instances |
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| 12:49.00 | eptalon | Benkinooby: IMO: some versioning tool (git, possibly svn), plus a cron job syncing the repos periodically. |
| 12:49.28 | TheXman_2 | buu: Thanks for the one liner |
| 12:49.34 | buu | eptalon: You're a horrible person. |
| 12:49.34 | eptalon | Benkinooby: and then share locally using samba.... |
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| 12:49.39 | buu | TheXman_2: It might even work! |
| 12:49.45 | eptalon | buu: I know. |
| 12:49.57 | TheXman_2 | How exactly do I use that one liner? |
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| 12:50.30 | eptalon | TheXman_2: supposing it works, you create a cronjob that runs every X minutes |
| 12:50.43 | Sysaxed | when choosing locale, should I choose ISO-8859-1, UTF-8 or ISO-8859-15 variant? What is the difference? |
| 12:50.58 | themill | jftr, «foo; if [ $? ...» stuff is more easily written as «if foo» or «if ! foo» |
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| 12:51.01 | buu | TheXman_2: ip="192.168.1.218"; ping -c 1 $ip > /dev/null; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo down; fi |
| 12:51.02 | themill | Sysaxed: utf-8 |
| 12:51.07 | Sysaxed | themill, why |
| 12:51.12 | Benkinooby | +1 for utf-8 |
| 12:51.17 | buu | TheXman_2: insert any commands you want, separated by ; inbetweeen the 'then' and the 'fi' |
| 12:51.25 | buu | TheXman_2: They'll be executed if the host is down |
| 12:51.27 | themill | Sysaxed: the others are legacy encodings and the sooner they go away the better |
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| 12:51.36 | eptalon | Sysaxed: -15 is european languages, plus euro sign, UTF-8 is much larger. And -1 was the choice most people took. |
| 12:51.59 | TheXman_2 | buu, eptalon : I am going to use 8.8.8.8 as the IP address to test connectivity, but in your oneliner, there is a $ip. Who will supply the value to this argument? |
| 12:52.03 | Sysaxed | ok, thanks! |
| 12:52.21 | buu | TheXman_2: Set it yourself.. |
| 12:52.27 | buu | You can just say ping 8.8.8.8 if it makes you happy |
| 12:52.38 | buu | Variables make me happy! |
| 12:53.07 | Sysaxed | buu, ip='8.8.8.8'; if ! ping -c 1 "$ip" &> /dev/null; then echo 'down'; fi |
| 12:53.14 | Sysaxed | just slightly better |
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| 12:53.46 | eptalon | Benkinooby: I guess inet in ghana is "dial-up", so costs per time? |
| 12:53.58 | Benkinooby | eptalon: per byte :( |
| 12:54.00 | abrotman | TheXman_2: you sohuld probably ping your next hop, not something thousands of miles away |
| 12:54.06 | buu | FOR FUCKSAKE HOW DOES THIS FILEMANAGER NOT HAVE A FIND FUNCTION |
| 12:54.12 | Mykathendu | =3= |
| 12:54.13 | Benkinooby | eptalon: mobile broadband |
| 12:54.26 | Sysaxed | buu, which file manager? |
| 12:54.40 | buu | thunar |
| 12:54.41 | buu | apparently |
| 12:54.44 | buu | It's ubuntu crap |
| 12:54.51 | abrotman | so not ontopic here |
| 12:54.51 | TheXman_2 | abrotman: Actually, what happens in my case is that my cable Internet goes down for some time. |
| 12:55.01 | buu | bitching is always ontopic |
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| 12:55.08 | Sysaxed | buu, thunar is a great file manager :O |
| 12:55.09 | abrotman | TheXman_2: you should probably contact your cable provider then ? |
| 12:55.18 | themill | buu: actually, not. And it's also from xfce not ubuntu. |
| 12:55.21 | TheXman_2 | Then when it comes back, my WD Mybooklive cannot resume Internet connectivity and the tunnel tun0 is still there. |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | TheXman_2: seems like a better idea to fix the cable than work around it |
| 12:55.42 | Sysaxed | buu, and you can search for a file using ctrl+s, allows regex I guess |
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| 12:55.43 | TheXman_2 | abrotman: If power fails, their switch goes down. |
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| 12:56.01 | eptalon | Benkinooby: So, sync once a day (git, rsync,...) and work locally on a samba share the rest of the time. |
| 12:56.01 | Sysaxed | buu, in current folder, of course, searching the whole file system is out of the scope of file manager, heh |
| 12:56.03 | TheXman_2 | abrotman: Tried that before several times, no luck with that. |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | power fails? |
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| 12:56.17 | TheXman_2 | abrotman: Yes. |
| 12:56.22 | abrotman | owuld think if the power fails, the USB drive would turn off ? |
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| 12:56.52 | abrotman | Mermaid: and what? |
| 12:56.54 | TheXman_2 | I have a UPS. but my ISP's local switch in another building has no power backup |
| 12:57.04 | abrotman | TheXman_2: they should have a UPS also |
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| 12:57.38 | Benkinooby | eptalon: exactly, which leads us all back to my initial question: how can i share a folder from a debian box over the internet, to all kind of other OS |
| 12:57.42 | TheXman_2 | abrotman: Wish the had. This is just a switch on a terrace somewhere in the neighborhood |
| 12:57.49 | eptalon | Oh, while I am at it, samba turns out "untranslated" filenames? |
| 12:57.50 | TheXman_2 | *they had |
| 12:58.02 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:58.26 | TheXman_2 | I use my Cisco wireless router to connect to the ISP using pppoe |
| 12:58.29 | Sysaxed | Benkinooby, share for read-only? |
| 12:58.42 | Sysaxed | Benkinooby, or to allow write access as well? |
| 12:58.53 | TheXman_2 | buu: I modified your one liner: ping -c 1 8.8.8.8; if [ $? -neq 0 ]; do ifconfig tun0 down; ifconfig tun0 up; fi |
| 12:59.01 | Benkinooby | Sysaxed: write is required :( |
| 12:59.03 | eptalon | Sysaxed: long story, in short: two locations, rarely changing files, mostly text. |
| 12:59.18 | DexterF | update problem with 7: I ran into massive trouble with some external modules, now I'd like to try the current kernel, but when I upgrade the kernel it overwrites the one that's working now. how do I keep debian from doing that? |
| 12:59.23 | eptalon | At least that was what I understood. |
| 12:59.23 | Sysaxed | use some kind of syncing software? btsync is one great example |
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| 12:59.33 | TheXman_2 | buu: I replaced one of the variables with the IP that I would like to ping. |
| 12:59.50 | TheXman_2 | Now, there is one more $ in there. |
| 12:59.52 | buu | TheXman_2: I updated the oneliner, use the second one, that one has errors |
| 13:00.08 | Sysaxed | TheXman_2, I'd better place ping right into if, this way you don't have to retardly check for exit status |
| 13:00.56 | buu | Also what he said |
| 13:00.58 | TheXman_2 | Just to remind everyone. This is a WD Mybooklive device. I do not connect it to it for days together. There is no monitor, so I do not want to echo anything since no one reads the output. |
| 13:01.44 | buu | TheXman_2: ip="192.168.1.218"; if ! ping -c 1 $ip > /dev/null ; then echo down; fi |
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| 13:02.20 | tremon | DexterF: dpkg never overwrites files from a different package (nor unmanaged files). You have broken your setup long ago if you overwrote the stock debian kernel with some external one. What's stopping you from renaming your current kernel? |
| 13:02.50 | TheXman_2 | buu: Thanks. |
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| 13:02.59 | TheXman_2 | buu: I changed that to: ip="8.8.8.8"; if ! ping -c 1 $ip > /dev/null ; then echo down; fi |
| 13:03.13 | Sysaxed | TheXman_2, even shorter without if: ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 &> /dev/null || { ifconfig tun0 down; ifconfig tun0 up; } |
| 13:03.14 | buu | yes? |
| 13:03.16 | Benkinooby | Sysaxed: i will investigate btsync |
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| 13:03.27 | TheXman_2 | How frequently will it ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 13:03.30 | buu | Sysaxed: stop with your black magic |
| 13:03.32 | eptalon | Benkinooby: btsync uses bittorrent |
| 13:03.36 | abrotman | TheXman_2: that's up to you .. |
| 13:03.36 | TheXman_2 | I don't mind checking this every 10 minutes |
| 13:03.38 | buu | TheXman_2: That command only pings it once and stops.. |
| 13:03.46 | buu | TheXman_2: see cronjobs for repeated commands |
| 13:03.58 | Sysaxed | eptalon, not really.. but the protocol must be very similar to bittorrent |
| 13:04.07 | abrotman | TheXman_2: man 5 crontab |
| 13:04.08 | TheXman_2 | ah.. so, I can then save that into an .sh file and then use cron to run it every 10 minutes. |
| 13:04.19 | eptalon | Sysaxed: whats the benefit over rsync? |
| 13:04.29 | eptalon | TheXman_2: yes |
| 13:04.31 | TheXman_2 | let me try that right away and see what happens. |
| 13:04.42 | Sysaxed | eptalon, it should work with PCs that are behind NAT |
| 13:04.50 | Benkinooby | eptalon: i understood that. but if i make it private only a group pf know persons should access it. no |
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| 13:05.13 | Benkinooby | Sysaxed: nat is not the problem. i am configureing an IPv6 tunnel for it |
| 13:05.20 | Benkinooby | Sysaxed: so it has a global ipv6 |
| 13:05.29 | Sysaxed | eptalon, it should be faster if you have several machines, because data will flow from several pcs when syncing |
| 13:06.00 | DexterF | tremon: not what I meant: the 3.2.41 that's running now (and has the linuxtv project modules compiled against it) is in package "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" - now if I upgrade, the new kernel (3.2.48 I think) will be inlinux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64, *too*, thus overwriting the 3.2.41. |
| 13:06.02 | sharky | Benkinooby, I would use ftp, all vps, server providers use it, also it is not so hard to setup |
| 13:06.31 | Sysaxed | Benkinooby, depends on your needs. btsync is mostly for simple users, not servers, so you might have better luck with rsync |
| 13:06.46 | DexterF | tremon: so if I can't make the linuxtv modules work with that .48 or whatever is now in the stable package I cannot go back as debian will have replaced the .41 |
| 13:06.49 | sharky | Benkinooby, you have your gui - filezilla, and you can access it from every browser, you can put password too |
| 13:06.52 | tremon | DexterF: there's dkms for that, it will automatically recompile modules for your new kernel |
| 13:06.53 | TheXman_2 | So, I created a file: check.sh. |
| 13:07.08 | Benkinooby | sharky: ftp in general was an idea i followed, but rsync manages flanky internet better |
| 13:07.17 | TheXman_2 | And then I put #!/bin/bash |
| 13:07.20 | TheXman_2 | ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 &> /dev/null || { ifconfig tun0 down; ifconfig tun0 up; } |
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| 13:07.34 | TheXman_2 | Is there anything else I should be putting in the .sh file? |
| 13:07.35 | tremon | DexterF: that's not true. If the kernel abi changes, debian changes its kernel package and file name |
| 13:07.41 | abrotman | TheXman_2: try it and see |
| 13:07.55 | sharky | Benkinooby, exactly rsync is the next level, all linux distro sync ther repositories with rsync, it is SUPERB |
| 13:08.04 | Benkinooby | i know :) |
| 13:08.36 | sharky | i don't know whether you can use password there |
| 13:08.41 | TheXman_2 | Ok. be back in few minutes... |
| 13:08.41 | Benkinooby | i think the safest and simplest way is to tell the windows and mac guys, how to use rsync or sshfs |
| 13:08.46 | DexterF | tremon: I cannot take for granted the modules will properly compile against the newer kernel and properly work so I need a fall back. and no matter what you think is true or not, when I now issue upgrade, it WILL overwrite my existing .41 as the package name has not changed |
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| 13:09.22 | sharky | Benkinooby, I did not tell you rsync because you said all OS's, there is no rsync under windows |
| 13:09.37 | tremon | DexterF: so what's stopping you from copying your current kernel image file to a filename that will not get overwriiten? |
| 13:09.39 | eptalon | Benkinooby: so you don't have a lan down there, its all over the air? |
| 13:09.49 | abrotman | sharky: cygwin ? |
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| 13:10.16 | DexterF | tremon: and how do I boot that kernel then? |
| 13:10.18 | Benkinooby | sharky: well there are some implementations. i am not happy to work with them, but i think it's still better than starting to run servers i know little about and that are hard to reach |
| 13:10.23 | sharky | abrotman, yes cygwin, but cygwin is much more than just rsync |
| 13:10.35 | abrotman | sure is |
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| 13:10.54 | DexterF | tremon: won't it expect its modules directories at the location they were installed to? |
| 13:11.20 | Benkinooby | there are also windows rsync clients. afaik they don'T need cygwin |
| 13:11.23 | tremon | DexterF: booting a kernel depends on your boot manager, assuming it's grub it will be there in the boot menu (as long as you keep a simliar kernel filename) |
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| 13:11.54 | sharky | but in general, yes I think rsync is SUPERB, and the fact is that giant repos with x time 100 000 files sync with it |
| 13:12.47 | themill | Benkinooby: I still think git-annex assistant is worth looking at for your use case http://git-annex.branchable.com/ http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ |
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| 13:14.51 | tremon | DexterF: yes, kernel modules will be in the same location too. So maybe having a backup to restore to is easier |
| 13:15.02 | Benkinooby | themill: ok. i have to test how their alpha for windows works |
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| 13:15.23 | sharky | Benkinooby, but you still need a server, rsync or ssh, you an run rsync over ssh but at least a ssh server |
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| 13:16.49 | Benkinooby | sharky: yep. currently we have a server. it has bad connection (but there is no way around that). the point is: i and some others using linux have no trouble accessing the data. ssh or sshfs and we're set. but we have some mac and win users that should have access too, and that's where the trouble starts |
| 13:17.02 | Benkinooby | anyone knwo unison? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unison_%28file_synchronizer%29 |
| 13:17.02 | eptalon | IDK, but is there already a bug in samba that it fails to translate file (unix, long) file names? |
| 13:17.15 | TheXman_2 | I am back. Tried that script, but the results were not what I was looking for. |
| 13:17.21 | TheXman_2 | So, now there is more work to do. |
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| 13:17.32 | Sysaxed | how can I change locale? I've ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales, but "locale" still prints old settings, should I reboot or run some other command to update locale settings? |
| 13:17.51 | Benkinooby | Sysaxed: log out and in again |
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| 13:18.25 | themill | Benkinooby: unison is a pig to get running on non-linux. |
| 13:18.37 | TheXman_2 | I executed the script a couple of times manually and now my VPN tunnel itself disappeared. the device has now connected to the Internet (ping is successful, but since the VPN tunnel itself has disappeared, the traffic goes out directly |
| 13:18.42 | Benkinooby | eptalon: i think inside their LAN they use samba already to share. i will ask how it works out for them |
| 13:18.54 | Benkinooby | themill: awwww... it looked promising :( |
| 13:19.14 | Sysaxed | Benkinooby, thanks, I'll try :) |
| 13:19.24 | themill | Benkinooby: it's ok when you finally get it working... it's not so bad if you only want passwd auth; key-based auth is horrific |
| 13:20.00 | Benkinooby | passwd-based will be ok |
| 13:20.14 | codekK | Hi all, today when i boot my debian and try compile&run a C program i get this error. http://paste.debian.net/plain/51743 anyone know what is the problem? |
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| 13:21.50 | reavengrey | codekK: looks like syntax errors |
| 13:21.57 | dutchfish | codekK, my spanish is a bit rusty, but syntax error near unexpected token `} ' explains it all |
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| 13:23.01 | eptalon | dutchfish: I don't think thats the problem. |
| 13:23.21 | eptalon | dutchfish: do you get typedef without loading any libs? |
| 13:23.23 | codekK | but my program run yesterday.. and i dont change it |
| 13:23.56 | reavengrey | codekK: paste the file here, in a codepad |
| 13:24.27 | reavengrey | also, #C would be better, I'm just curious, keep that in mind |
| 13:24.36 | dutchfish | eptalon, no idee, ask codekK |
| 13:24.56 | eptalon | my c dates a few years. |
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| 13:26.01 | eptalon | Oh, for something debian specific. For a folder (which I own, and have permissions for), samba did not translate filenames (Windows 7). |
| 13:26.52 | Benkinooby | does samba transmit data encrypted? |
| 13:26.54 | eptalon | any ideas? |
| 13:27.11 | dutchfish | Benkinooby, yes it normaly does |
| 13:27.11 | eptalon | Benkinooby: I think you can specify some enmcryption. |
| 13:27.26 | Benkinooby | so why not samba over internet? |
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| 13:27.35 | Benkinooby | i always hear it's bad practice |
| 13:27.40 | dutchfish | Benkinooby, because smb is way to chatty |
| 13:27.44 | Benkinooby | but if it encrypts, why not? |
| 13:27.58 | Benkinooby | dutchfish: what do you mean "too chatty" |
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| 13:28.12 | eptalon | Benkinooby: many people with firewalls block the smb port. |
| 13:28.26 | eptalon | Benkinooby: far too much data transmitted. |
| 13:28.29 | dutchfish | Benkinooby, apart from the safety, there are better ways to do this and i prefer stateless connections over the net |
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| 13:29.31 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 13:29.37 | dutchfish | Benkinooby, you could of couse tunnel it |
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| 13:29.50 | dutchfish | Benkinooby, depends on the needs |
| 13:30.06 | dutchfish | Benkinooby, if you can avoid it |
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| 13:31.32 | Benkinooby | hm. i will think about all your suggestion and will go through them with the people involved. thank you all for you input |
| 13:31.44 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 13:32.31 | eptalon | is there a bash command that ouputs the length of a string? |
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| 13:32.51 | buu | wc -c? |
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| 13:33.04 | themill | Benkinooby: you're going to want to prototype a couple of these and see how easy they are to use and think about how much data they will eat to keep sync'd up |
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| 13:33.32 | dutchfish | eptalon, echo `expr length $foo` |
| 13:33.53 | themill | eptalon: ${#foo} expands to the length of the variable foo |
| 13:34.28 | buu | Oh my god expr |
| 13:34.35 | buu | bash is scary |
| 13:34.48 | mjt | heh. echo `expr ..` -- why not just expr... ? :) |
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| 13:35.03 | buu | Why can't we all just use perl like god intended |
| 13:35.09 | dutchfish | or echo `expr "$foo" : '.*'` |
| 13:35.30 | mjt | dutchfish: why not just expr, without echo?? |
| 13:35.50 | eptalon | buu: there is that small problem with multiple inheritance, you know. |
| 13:36.01 | buu | eptalon: What problem is that? |
| 13:36.07 | dutchfish | mjt, just an example, there are quiet some ways to solve this, this is what i use |
| 13:36.38 | mjt | dutchfish: no, really, why don't you use: echo `echo $foo` for example? |
| 13:36.39 | dutchfish | mjt, mind bash not dash |
| 13:36.58 | mjt | it doesn't matter |
| 13:37.15 | dutchfish | mjt, havent tried that .... |
| 13:37.27 | mjt | how about echo $(echo $(echo $(echo $(expr ...)))) ? :) |
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| 13:37.34 | dutchfish | dugh |
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| 13:38.20 | mjt | expr sends the result to stdout. echo sends its argument to stdout. `` converts stdout of inside command to argument. |
| 13:38.25 | dutchfish | mjt, anyway, if you have a cleaner solution for C's StrLen() do say so |
| 13:39.06 | themill | dutchfish: mjt's point is that you only need «expr length $foo» you don't need «echo `expr length $foo`» |
| 13:39.07 | mjt | heh. why can't you just answer my simple question -- why do you use echo `expr...` instead of just expr... ? |
| 13:39.27 | buu | mjt: Are you going to start a 'useless use of echo' award? |
| 13:39.30 | dutchfish | themill, ah ok, thanks for clearing this up |
| 13:39.46 | mjt | buu: i'm just curious, really |
| 13:39.53 | dutchfish | mjt, sorry |
| 13:40.01 | themill | (also, you'd want to quote "$foo") |
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| 13:40.16 | dutchfish | ok |
| 13:40.17 | mjt | there are a few cases like that which people somehow, magically, use, and I always wondered why |
| 13:40.24 | luser0 | wannabe questions can be answered on what debian website? |
| 13:40.36 | Mykathendu | :3 |
| 13:40.43 | DexterF | ubuntu.org |
| 13:40.44 | mjt | the same for regexps, -- /.*(foo).*/ -- I always wondered why the .*s :) |
| 13:40.46 | themill | mjt: an extra echo can make whitespace go away |
| 13:40.50 | buu | mjt: That's just evil |
| 13:40.56 | buu | And they should be shot. |
| 13:40.59 | themill | mjt: well that does change $& |
| 13:41.07 | buu | But adding random cat and echo rarely changes anything |
| 13:41.13 | dutchfish | mjt, lets take this to offtopic i dont want to clutter this channel |
| 13:41.21 | luser0 | ubunto for debian questions? That seems the wrong way about? I hate looking up the barrel |
| 13:41.24 | dutchfish | mjt, but anyway, thanks |
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| 13:44.41 | DexterF | there is linux-headers-amd64, linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common, linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64. why three? what's the difference? |
| 13:45.25 | TheXman_2 | Thank you all for helping me with the script to reconnect to my VPN provider. |
| 13:45.41 | tremon | ,i linux-headers-amd64 |
| 13:45.42 | judd | Package linux-headers-amd64 (kernel, optional) in wheezy/i386: Header files for Linux amd64 configuration (meta-package). Version: 3.2+46; Size: 4.4k; Installed: 28k |
| 13:45.47 | TheXman_2 | I think it is working, but I am not 100% sure if it will work when my ISP link goes down. |
| 13:46.10 | TheXman_2 | I will have to check it over the next couple of days and then report back. |
| 13:47.05 | tremon | DexterF: the same reason there are separate linux-image packages. One is a metapackage tracking the latest release, the versioned packages are what actually contains the kernel files |
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| 13:47.49 | DexterF | tremon: ok, but then still: why -common and -amd? why not put everything the -amd64 kernel needs in the amd64 package? |
| 13:47.54 | TheXman_2 | See you later guys. |
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| 13:48.34 | tremon | DexterF: because debian supports 16 architectures. Why put common files in 16 different packages? |
| 13:48.37 | mjt | isn't -common includes files shared by different kernels? |
| 13:49.12 | mjt | also, on i386, you may install several different kernel flavours |
| 13:49.19 | tremon | and that, too |
| 13:49.53 | DexterF | tremon: avoid clutter. I see the point, though. |
| 13:50.58 | bakaneko | guys, why one couldn't make an os that allow to have many versions of the same library simultanously? and each package could have its own virtenv with links to proper libraries |
| 13:51.14 | bakaneko | allows* |
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| 13:51.55 | bakaneko | i'm just f***d up with the broken packages |
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| 13:52.38 | DexterF | bakaneko: have you tried "windows"? ;) |
| 13:52.47 | bakaneko | yes |
| 13:52.48 | tremon | bakaneko: that's why most of us use a single distribution to manage library dependencies for us |
| 13:54.40 | mumpitze1 | bakaneko: cause doing something stupid like that means one doesn't need any shared libs anymore. there is no point |
| 13:54.41 | bakaneko | because when I want to compile something unique from sources i'm haveing troubles because of this. and it's not the matter whether I should submit new package to a repo |
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| 13:56.54 | bakaneko | If I had more time I would make my own packet manager that can handle this |
| 13:57.07 | tremon | just fyi, glibc (and by extension, most linux distributions) handles multiple library versions just fine |
| 13:57.18 | mjt | glibc? |
| 13:57.27 | mjt | ahh |
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| 13:57.31 | tremon | the dynamic loader |
| 13:57.42 | mjt | it just loads libfoo.so.x.y.z |
| 13:57.54 | bakaneko | how... |
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| 13:58.40 | DexterF | is insserv still the way to introduce a new init script? |
| 13:58.56 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 13:59.51 | DexterF | mumpitze1: hmm, manpage says "don't; update-rc.d" |
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| 14:00.10 | bakaneko | for example i want to install libjack-dev . aptitude tells me to delete skype, ia32-libs, ia32-libs-gtk, ia32-libs-i386:i386 |
| 14:00.43 | mumpitze1 | then you are mixing debian releases I'd say |
| 14:01.02 | luser0 | there is a debian bartending school? |
| 14:01.30 | bakaneko | is it bad to mix releases? that's what I want to do |
| 14:01.31 | themill | luser0: were you looking for #defocus? |
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| 14:02.20 | eptalon | bakaneko: it is bad in the sense that you are alone to fix dependencies. |
| 14:02.23 | tremon | bakaneko: it's not bad if you know what you're doing, but you don't get to complain here about broken dependencies then :) |
| 14:02.49 | themill | bakaneko: once you've worked out how you'll magically solve the "two package contain the same file" problem for your mythical package manager, do let the world know how it will work. |
| 14:03.20 | bakaneko | lol =) I will |
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| 14:03.42 | bakaneko | this would work like virtualenv in python |
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| 14:04.25 | themill | (it's also completely unrelated to your problem here) |
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| 14:05.43 | bakaneko | I'm not a kernel hacker just a user. I wonder why there is no such a distribution yet like i'm describing... |
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| 14:07.30 | eptalon | bakaneko: what do you not like, in say, eg. testing? |
| 14:07.53 | themill | what something that mixes all the bad bits of gentoo with the bad bits of binary distributions? Yeah... I wonder why noone has thought to do that. |
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| 14:11.03 | bakaneko | i'm saying like: let's get rid of broken packages, that come from some package version discrepancies just allowing to install all. then manually manage the proper dependecy for package being installed |
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| 14:12.04 | eptalon | bakaneko: released versions do not have broken packages. |
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| 14:14.02 | bakaneko | orly. there are lot's of conflicts actually. installing libjack-dev with aptitude wants to delete my gtk >< |
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| 14:14.06 | eptalon | and yes, we know that a release cycle means that the released stable packages are perhaps not the newest availably. |
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| 14:14.37 | eptalon | bakaneko: what release do you use? |
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| 14:15.05 | bakaneko | Jessie, but this is because I have some packages from Mate |
| 14:15.30 | eptalon | see? |
| 14:16.10 | bakaneko | so this is kinda not fair for 3rd party software |
| 14:16.24 | eptalon | in what way? |
| 14:16.34 | eptalon | Anyone can provide a debian package. |
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| 14:17.16 | eptalon | And how on earth should debian do dependency mgmgt against other people's packages? |
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| 14:18.09 | phix | lets team it |
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| 14:19.15 | bakaneko | I mean if I have developed supermath tool which depends on some libraries, why should I watch your debian\other distrib to match the library version? wouldn't it be better for distribution to allow any library without breaking the system? |
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| 14:20.25 | bakaneko | and why should I each time build a package and after submit it to all distribution deb, rpm , etc |
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| 14:20.44 | eptalon | bakaneko: I know that my package works with libfoo version 1.2.1, but the changes in 1.2.3 break it. so I specify that in the deb, and the package manager takes care of it. |
| 14:23.06 | bakaneko | in fact it doesn't. it will not install 1.2.1 if 1.2.3 has already installed :С |
| 14:23.38 | eptalon | bakaneko: dpkg -i ...? |
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| 14:24.17 | bakaneko | will not work |
| 14:24.35 | themill | bakaneko: that depends entirely on whether the package was set up to permit that or not. If the library and package are capable, then that can happen. |
| 14:25.26 | bakaneko | this never happend to me unless i did dist-upgrade |
| 14:25.28 | themill | also, that you mention virtualenv paints you into that pythonic corner of "I have no idea how to write a stable library and I've learnt lots of bad habits about APIs and modules" |
| 14:26.16 | eptalon | ideallly, a library is backward compatible, but not forward compatible. |
| 14:26.45 | eptalon | so there is no way to tell if a proggy requiring libfoo in 1.2.3 will also work with 1.2.1 |
| 14:27.29 | themill | Good API design and sovers actually do handle this quite well. Python (and java and ruby) have no concepts of these things and cause far too much work for everyone as a result |
| 14:27.30 | tremon | bakaneko: if you're serious about building such a system, you want to start with eliminating library dependencies altogether. Replace them with interface dependencies and interface providers |
| 14:28.08 | themill | (and learn about sonames and sovers first) |
| 14:28.14 | DexterF | can someone help me with this init script update: http://pastebin.com/8ZUNNi0a I wanted to insert that poit script but it won't appear in rc0.d or others, plus I don't see what vboxdrv has to do with poit. I explicitly passed where I want to sit this script and still it says "using dep based sequencing" |
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| 14:29.31 | themill | DexterF: the priority arguments to update-rc.d haven't been used for a couple of releases. |
| 14:29.43 | bakaneko | I should fork apt-get хД |
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| 14:30.24 | themill | that you think it's apt-get that is the problem and the packages themselves tells me that you have a lot of learning to do before you try this... |
| 14:30.36 | DexterF | themill: which the manpage does not tell. options? |
| 14:30.46 | bakaneko | yes |
| 14:30.55 | bakaneko | you're right |
| 14:30.59 | themill | DexterF: what's the actual problem here? |
| 14:31.41 | themill | DexterF: does it have proper LSB headers? (and why do you have two init scripts doing vbox stuff?) |
| 14:32.30 | DexterF | themill: the vbox script is supposed to halt all VMs at shutdown/reboot. "proper"? |
| 14:32.45 | themill | dpkg: tell DexterF about missing lsb tags |
| 14:33.37 | themill | DexterF: there shouldn't be more than one script with a Provides: vboxdrv |
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| 14:34.56 | DexterF | themill: there's vboxdrv and virtualbox. guess one is old cruft. will check on that. |
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| 14:44.10 | titoo | hello everybody. I just installed a debian 7.1. I need to have checkinstall but i get an message saying unable to locate package checkinstall... what should i do |
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| 14:46.40 | DexterF | titoo: should be there... did you inst 7.1 from scratch or update from previous? |
| 14:47.04 | titoo | from scratch... |
| 14:47.05 | tremon | !tell titoo about sources.list |
| 14:47.09 | titoo | ok |
| 14:47.26 | tremon | titoo: if you installed without a network connection, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:48.37 | titoo | i have deb cdrom weezy .... i should comment that right? |
| 14:49.14 | titoo | the second line is deb http://security.debian.org /wheezy/updates main contrib |
| 14:49.23 | titoo | third line is |
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| 14:49.30 | ompaul | !paste |
| 14:49.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:49.55 | tremon | yes, comment the cdrom line. dpkg already gave you a pm to compare your sources.list against |
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| 14:50.42 | ompaul | titoo: if you paste it into the pastebin someone will edit it should it need it or advise you should you need that advice |
| 14:51.07 | titoo | OK sorry here it is : pastie.org/8381821 |
| 14:51.57 | dvs | titoo: Add the line that dpkg told you. Erase the cdrom lines. |
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| 14:55.45 | ompaul | titoo: eh take what you want from this http://paste.debian.net/51807/ I am curious why you removed the other lines from your sources file |
| 14:56.04 | ompaul | titoo: makes me wonder what you were trying to achieve |
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| 14:58.32 | titoo | Thanks guys... |
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| 15:03.43 | phix | fikst: hi |
| 15:03.50 | phix | ooonak: sup |
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| 15:20.23 | bais | hi |
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| 15:21.24 | bais | I need help to clone filesystem structure of an installed ones, I want to create a fs structure identicaly, how can I do? |
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| 15:27.37 | mumpitze1 | bais: what do you define as "filesystem structure"? |
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| 15:38.06 | Kuba | anyone using debian on desktop? how many of you use sid? |
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| 15:39.06 | geak | hi |
| 15:39.22 | geak | I use nano (not vim, yes I know) and I want to replace newline characters. I enabled regexp support for search and replace. However, nano isn't able to find anything for \n or \r or even \f. This makes me wonder. |
| 15:39.24 | geak | What is missing? |
| 15:39.35 | ompaul | Kuba: of the statistics I am about to issue 71.2% are made up on the spot and 33.7% are fake |
| 15:39.48 | ompaul | Kuba: ask your real question |
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| 15:40.59 | Kuba | ompaul: I wonder whether I should swithc to sid |
| 15:41.02 | Kuba | :) |
| 15:41.08 | jelly-home | geak: I do not use nano. However if all you need is to fix DOS/Windows vs. Unix line delimiters, you can use dos2unix |
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| 15:41.33 | ompaul | Kuba: from what and for how long are you running what? |
| 15:42.01 | SpeedyG | hi, is it possible to let dpkg ignore missing dependencies when using dpkg -i (I've got a package that refuses installations since it depends on libssl0.9.8 while libssl1.0.0 is installed) |
| 15:42.04 | ossi | debian won't remove obsolete config files of a package when upgrading it. any idea how to accomplish it without purging and installing it from scratch? |
| 15:42.26 | jelly-home | Kuba: I use xfce on stable on one machine, and kde4 on stable on a different workstation. What prompts you to consider sid? |
| 15:42.29 | Kuba | ompaul: laptop, been using ubuntu here, swtiched to debia recentyl |
| 15:42.40 | Kuba | jelly-home: a bit fresher packages |
| 15:42.49 | jelly-home | Kuba: what about them? |
| 15:43.11 | Kuba | jelly-home: I'd prefer to have a bit fresher system - that's why I'm considreing sid |
| 15:43.37 | jelly-home | Kuba: if that's your only reason, don't. Keep using ubuntu. |
| 15:43.59 | Kuba | well, I don't want to use ubuntu ;) |
| 15:44.00 | ompaul | Kuba: you won't have any improved performance, you will have more various issues that are not nice, with more technical problems. |
| 15:44.29 | Kuba | ompaul: I don't aim for performance, rather functionality |
| 15:44.29 | mumpitze1 | SpeedyG: install libssl from squeeze |
| 15:44.33 | ompaul | Kuba: so if you want to move from STABLE to UNSTABLE notice the implication of the first two letters - your mileage may difference |
| 15:44.42 | ompaul | Kuba: diffe |
| 15:44.47 | ompaul | ohhhararaf |
| 15:45.06 | ectospasm | YMMV |
| 15:45.09 | ompaul | Kuba: and then you will have to fix |
| 15:45.17 | ompaul | the broken bits you get to keep |
| 15:45.21 | Kuba | shouldn't be a big problem |
| 15:45.40 | Kuba | I'm just wondering how big the problem really is |
| 15:45.41 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: you get to experience more functionality then. the functionality of apt doing conflict resolution, of nano editing config files, dpkg doing reconfigures, and lots of other good stuff |
| 15:46.07 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: it exists. often. |
| 15:46.50 | ompaul | it is about 24 cubic kilometres in size |
| 15:47.03 | Kuba | ... |
| 15:47.13 | Kuba | I'd get back to my original question |
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| 15:47.20 | Kuba | how many of you actually use sid on laptop? |
| 15:47.36 | ompaul | well how big is this - if you have skills and and you are interested in running it do it - I run it on many desktops in the business I'm in, I use it on my personal laptop |
| 15:47.37 | ectospasm | I do, but I only pretend to know what I'm doing. |
| 15:47.54 | ompaul | Kuba: and like ectospasm I too pretend to know what I'm doing and I use KDE |
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| 15:48.38 | qman__ | Kuba, the point is, it's going to break, you have to decide if you're okay with that |
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| 15:48.45 | ectospasm | every once in a while, a big sea-change update will come down from on high, and all sorts of breakage will ensue |
| 15:48.46 | jelly-home | Kuba: sid breaks by definition. You should use it if you want to report and fix those breakages. |
| 15:49.02 | ectospasm | Like, multiarch, apache2.2->2.4, etc. |
| 15:49.15 | qman__ | it's called bleeding edge for a reason |
| 15:49.17 | jelly-home | Kuba: how many bug reports did you file with your previous distro? |
| 15:49.20 | mumpitze1 | ectospasm: or the recent perl snafu? |
| 15:49.29 | ectospasm | mumpitze1: sure! |
| 15:50.06 | Kuba | jelly-home: one or two |
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| 15:50.22 | ectospasm | I had a problem with sid once, it removed nvidia-glx. When I added it back, apt decided to remove all 4,000 X Windows packages. |
| 15:50.46 | jelly-home | Kuba: that's good. Expect to file or look up the same amount on a weekly basis with sid |
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| 15:53.13 | ectospasm | it depends on what packages you're tracking |
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| 15:53.24 | ectospasm | some in "unstable" are relatively stable |
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| 15:53.33 | ectospasm | others have a lot of flux |
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| 15:56.34 | ompaul | Kuba: and if you do cross the Rubicon you do this dist-upgrade not upgrade after that note this, install wheezy dist-upgrade to testing and then dist-upgrade to sid |
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| 15:57.49 | ompaul | Kuba: and to make this easy use netinstall and install a minimal system and customise it later but frankly if you are coming from ubuntu I strongly advise you get your system working using wheezy and get familiar with it before you start dabbling in the other |
| 15:58.16 | ectospasm | yes, ompaul is sage |
| 15:58.38 | ompaul | no, I'm just old bitter and bitten a few times :) |
| 15:58.43 | ectospasm | there are many similarities between Ubuntu and Debian (namely apt), but there are many differences |
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| 16:00.35 | ectospasm | ompaul: experience does not make you wiser? |
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| 16:06.13 | ectospasm | I'm having an issue with smartmontools... logwatch/syslog reports a S.M.A.R.T. error on one of my disks (Offline uncorrectable sector), but when I run "smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" or "smartctl -A /dev/sda" I don't see any error sectors. |
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| 16:08.42 | rryoumaa | what does preempt_rt do for ordinary users? |
| 16:10.15 | mumpitze1 | makes it more responsive usually |
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| 16:16.58 | tremon | rryoumaa: very little, unless your "ordinary users" measure the responsiveness of their systems. For normal user interactions you won't notice if your keypress is handled within 10ms or 50ms |
| 16:17.13 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 16:17.26 | rryoumaa | was wondering if it would make it so that a large disk copy woul dnot interrupt videos |
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| 16:18.30 | rryoumaa | if a new kernel is in backports, this is really only needed if you need it then it sounds like, otherwise it would be in security not backports, right? |
| 16:20.37 | kalri | rryoumaa: ionice may be enough for that. |
| 16:20.49 | tremon | Linux has had performance issues when handling multiple i/o streams for as long as I can remember. I don't think the rt patchset really helps there |
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| 16:22.20 | rryoumaa | kalri: interesting. so you do ionice cp -a /home/whatever /some/other/place? |
| 16:23.03 | kalri | rryoumaa: I don't remember the exact parameters, something along the lines of: ionice -c priority command |
| 16:23.04 | rryoumaa | tremon: yeah it is much better than it was on woody, but i don't know how much of the improvement is hw |
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| 16:24.47 | kalri | If that doesn't help, perhaps you can use rsync to copy and limit the speed. |
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| 16:26.34 | tremon | there have been software improvements as well, but a large pdflush can still stall other kernel operations iirc |
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| 16:34.42 | rryoumaa | kalri: rsync does the same thing, but yeah it reduces the window of use when target already exists |
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| 16:37.23 | kalri | rryoumaa: take a look at the --bwlimit option (but try ionice first!) |
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| 16:38.30 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i know which driver module my usb flash is using? |
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| 16:39.37 | mumpitze1 | superlinux-hp: lsmod ? |
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| 16:40.25 | superlinux-hp | mumpitze1, maybe.. |
| 16:40.40 | superlinux-hp | i'll see |
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| 16:41.47 | superlinux-hp | mumpitze1, I am asking cos it's an mp3 player.. but it gets unmounted automatically for no reason |
| 16:42.13 | superlinux-hp | i did not ask to unmount it |
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| 17:00.04 | mumpitze1 | hello. how's the common wealth going? |
| 17:00.58 | jhutchins | superlinux-hp: run dmesg before you plug it in, then after, see what it's doing. |
| 17:03.41 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins, oh yes! slipped of my head! |
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| 17:27.08 | CygniX | after editing /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolve.conf what is the best way to see it take effect without rebooting? |
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| 17:28.24 | socomm | CygniX: resolve.conf works immediately |
| 17:28.44 | CygniX | and the interfaces? |
| 17:28.51 | socomm | CygniX: 'service network restart' |
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| 17:29.05 | b0rsuk | Hi. When a computer is in Sleep mode, it still needs a little power to keep RAM fed. How about Hibernate ? Can I hibernate my machine, unplug it and restore it ? |
| 17:29.14 | socomm | CygniX: if you're ssh-ed in make sure you've way to get back in, if the connections breaks |
| 17:29.33 | CygniX | socomm: "network: unrecognized service" |
| 17:30.04 | socomm | CygniX: 'service networking restart' |
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| 17:30.57 | CygniX | socomm: "[warn] Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces " |
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| 17:31.18 | CygniX | I may have to reboot now |
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| 17:31.52 | CygniX | was there another command since '/etc/init.d/networking restart' is deprecated |
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| 17:33.17 | jhutchins | CygniX: No, that's just a warning. |
| 17:33.39 | jhutchins | CygniX: That's because things like Network Manager might be controlling networking. |
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| 17:34.02 | socomm | CygniX: apparently thats has been depricated |
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| 17:34.19 | socomm | I see people recommending ifdown <interface> && ifup <interface> |
| 17:34.20 | jhutchins | socomm: Not really. |
| 17:34.24 | CygniX | jhutchins: it is |
| 17:34.35 | CygniX | because the network didnt restart |
| 17:34.41 | jhutchins | CygniX: No, it's not. It still works just fine for static configurations. |
| 17:34.44 | CygniX | I will now have to vnc into it |
| 17:34.50 | socomm | CygniX: I see people recommending 'ifdown <interface> && ifup <interface>' |
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| 17:35.25 | jhutchins | wonders how vnc is going to work if networking didn't restart. |
| 17:35.28 | socomm | jhutchins: restarting just broke my static config, so ...... |
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| 17:35.48 | CygniX | jhutchins: it's a KVM server |
| 17:35.53 | jhutchins | socomm: So something else is wrong. |
| 17:36.07 | socomm | jhutchins: 'ifup' worked fine |
| 17:36.09 | CygniX | This was what I was trying to avoid |
| 17:36.20 | CygniX | it seems ifup is the prefered way |
| 17:36.26 | CygniX | good to know |
| 17:36.28 | CygniX | thanks |
| 17:36.34 | socomm | CygniX: live and learn |
| 17:36.51 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
| 17:37.19 | socomm | CygniX: generally speaking using the init.d script *should* work, but apparently its broken for some configurations |
| 17:37.41 | socomm | jhutchins says no, but looks like your milage may vary |
| 17:38.11 | jhutchins | Begs the question of why it's still included. |
| 17:38.20 | jhutchins | It must do something. |
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| 17:44.39 | socomm | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550240 |
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| 17:47.21 | socomm | I found the 'fix' if you wanna call it that. |
| 17:47.40 | socomm | On your /etc/network/interfaces file make sure your interface is set to 'auto' and not 'allow-hotplug' |
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| 17:48.05 | socomm | That will allow you to use the service script without problem. |
| 17:48.07 | MonochromaticPio | Hi |
| 17:48.08 | MonochromaticPio | o/ |
| 17:48.13 | MonochromaticPio | I have a question |
| 17:48.26 | MonochromaticPio | My games on Debian works bad |
| 17:48.33 | MonochromaticPio | I mean a graphic is bad |
| 17:48.41 | MonochromaticPio | I have a noouveau driver |
| 17:48.50 | MonochromaticPio | How to change it to firmware |
| 17:50.06 | jhutchins | socomm, CygniX what release are you on? |
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| 17:50.47 | socomm | jhutchins: 7.1 |
| 17:50.48 | jhutchins | !tell MonochromaticPio about nvidia |
| 17:50.50 | CygniX | jhutchins: Wheezy |
| 17:51.00 | CygniX | 7.0 |
| 17:51.14 | jhutchins | So the fix in netbase_4.38 apparently wasn't a fix after all. |
| 17:51.54 | socomm | allow-hotplug breaks it, from what I'm gathering |
| 17:52.06 | ivanshmakov | MonochromaticPio: To the best of my knowledge, there aren’t any “firmware” (that is: residing in the chip on the card itself) drivers for the nVidia graphic adapters. What there is, are two software drivers: the free ‘noouveau’ one, and the non-free one. |
| 17:52.07 | jhutchins | It appears that "ifup -a" is what doesn't work for hotpluggable devices, but ifup <device> works? |
| 17:52.21 | MonochromaticPio | non-free from NVidia |
| 17:52.28 | orfix | Hi, I just installed Debian on my thinkpad X220 (Windows 7 was pre-installed), I also installed Grub2 on the MBR as it detected windows (Vista ?) but on reboot it boots straight into Windows... any idea ? |
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| 17:52.29 | socomm | jhutchins: yes that worked with my 'allow-hotplug' configuration |
| 17:52.59 | jhutchins | So there is a deficiency in the ifup command that -a does not include hotplug devices. |
| 17:53.10 | ivanshmakov | MonochromaticPio: Alas, I know nothing in particular about the latter. nVidia has said that they don’t want me to know, so I do not. |
| 17:53.16 | orfix | There was 3 partitions at first SYSTEM_DRV, Windows7_OS and Lenovo_Recovery which I kept as is. |
| 17:53.26 | jhutchins | ifup being an internal init function. |
| 17:53.56 | socomm | jhutchins: would appear so |
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| 17:54.51 | mtn | orfix: sounds like grub didn't get installed where you think it did. you can try: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub |
| 17:55.23 | jhutchins | All that has to be done to fix this is to replace "if auto" with if [auto|allow-hotplug]. |
| 17:55.32 | CygniX | socomm, jhutchins, thanks for the help |
| 17:56.09 | orfix | mtn: The link is dead I guess... |
| 17:56.16 | jhutchins | Sorry for the misinformation, I hadn't actually dug into it before, but it's just a dumb omission in ifup. |
| 17:56.18 | socomm | jhutchins: you the man, submit fix pls |
| 17:57.01 | jhutchins | orfix: Make sure Secure Boot and Fast Boot options are disabled. |
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| 17:57.43 | mtn | orfix: not loading anyway. hmm, how about this: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 17:58.39 | jhutchins | socomm: I think the work-around would be to do ifdown -a && ifup <interface> for the interface you are connected on, then bring up other interfaces specifically. |
| 17:58.39 | orfix | jhutchins: I have set the "Legacy Only" in the BIOS options... Windows7 doesn't use UEFI |
| 17:59.21 | orfix | Could the Lenovo recovery thing override the MBR if it detect that it was changed ? |
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| 17:59.31 | mumpitze1 | no |
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| 18:00.08 | DimmuR | is there simple way to reduce console-kit-daemon child processes? |
| 18:00.11 | jhutchins | orfix: I know that others have had this problem but I haven't seen a definitive answer. I just removed w7 to solve it on mine. |
| 18:00.21 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 18:00.22 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 18:00.45 | orfix | jhutchins: I can't find the Secure boot and Fast boot options on my BIOS settings |
| 18:00.54 | jhutchins | orfix: Ok. |
| 18:01.09 | jhutchins | orfix: I think you're right, those are w8 not w7. |
| 18:01.25 | orfix | I only have "Boot Mode" that could be set to Quick or diagnostics... it is currently set to Quick but it's only used to hide diagnostic message at boot |
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| 18:02.19 | orfix | I have to make a live USB... |
| 18:02.44 | orfix | I used netboot to install Debian |
| 18:03.11 | orfix | is there a live image that could be used with netboot ? |
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| 18:03.27 | rryoumaa | can we put a comma before boot? |
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| 18:03.57 | rozie | orfix: just to fix grub? |
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| 18:04.35 | orfix | rozie: yes. any other alternative ? |
| 18:04.51 | rozie | installer has option for this |
| 18:05.10 | rozie | and there was PXE version of installer |
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| 18:05.37 | orfix | rozie: OK, I'll check again... |
| 18:05.39 | rozie | not exactly "live", but only dhcp and tftp needed to be set up |
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| 18:06.01 | orfix | rozie: yes that's what I am actually using... is there any option there to fix grub ? |
| 18:06.17 | jhutchins | orfix: Try it. |
| 18:06.28 | orfix | ok :$ |
| 18:06.45 | rozie | well, fixed grub once with that |
| 18:06.55 | rozie | but it was like 2 years ago |
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| 18:07.06 | jhutchins | Yeah, this is not something we do every week. |
| 18:07.28 | rozie | ;) |
| 18:07.57 | jhutchins | Does wheezy use upstart by default? |
| 18:08.36 | petn-randall | jhutchins: Nope. |
| 18:08.50 | petn-randall | jhutchins: That's Ubuntu ;) |
| 18:09.12 | jhutchins | The resolution appears to be "why bother to fix an init script problem when we're going to upstart anyway". |
| 18:09.36 | jhutchins | I think as long as we're looking at a mixed environment it should be fixed. |
| 18:09.37 | rozie | orfix: https://wiki.debian.org/PXE look sgood |
| 18:09.53 | petn-randall | I think systemd is gonna be it on the long run. |
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| 18:13.38 | jhutchins | Still, the fact that we'll eventually be using quantum computing isn't an excuse not to fix things now. |
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| 18:15.08 | sevenfourk | fellas, I'm on jessie/sid, and I have linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 installed, can't you tell why aptitude do not upgrade to linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 by itself |
| 18:15.43 | rozie | sevenfourk: it's pretty obvious. it's another package |
| 18:15.43 | jordanm | sevenfourk: it will only do that if you have the kernel meta package installed |
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| 18:15.57 | orfix | rozie: jhutchins: Well didn't find anything to fix MBR... the main menu looks like this http://mrpogson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Debian_Wheezy_Installer_PXE.png |
| 18:16.34 | vlt | f8l: Thank you. |
| 18:16.34 | rozie | orfix: boot installer. there's option to fix MBR in installer |
| 18:16.36 | orfix | if I hit Advanced options, I have "Expert Install"; "Rescue mode"; "Automated Install"; "Alternative desktop environments" |
| 18:16.59 | rryoumaa | how do i change double click time in vlc? it is too short and it is not possible to click that quickly most of the time. |
| 18:17.00 | sevenfourk | rozie, jordanm ok, thanks. |
| 18:17.12 | orfix | rozie: this is the installer... |
| 18:17.24 | jordanm | rryoumaa: double click for what? |
| 18:17.45 | rozie | rescue sounds good |
| 18:17.55 | rryoumaa | jordanm: when i launch it, it is a regular window. i have to double click to make it full screen |
| 18:18.05 | jordanm | rryoumaa: alt+enter |
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| 18:18.17 | orfix | rozie: yep I try it but it just goes through the same installation process... |
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| 18:18.29 | jordanm | rryoumaa: there is also an option to auto-fullscreen when you start a video |
| 18:18.39 | rryoumaa | alt enter does nothing |
| 18:18.46 | sevenfourk | jordanm: I had no meta package: linux-image-amd64 |
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| 18:19.12 | legg1_laptop | Anyone have any experience with unstable wlan? it doesnt disconnect or anything, but just stops working for a short while. pretty random when it happens |
| 18:19.18 | rryoumaa | no, the auto full screen was going to be my last resort. i really want to increase the double click time. i want this because it is a problem in other apps also, and perhaps fixing it for vlc will fix it for other apps that use the same library. |
| 18:19.37 | rryoumaa | this is not only a problem in vlc |
| 18:20.26 | rryoumaa | also, i don't always want it full screen when started |
| 18:20.30 | rozie | sevenfourk: I have linux-image-amd64 canditate for testing/unstable |
| 18:20.39 | jordanm | rryoumaa: sorry, it's simply "f" |
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| 18:20.46 | rryoumaa | ah, thnaks |
| 18:20.55 | rryoumaa | but i want it using the mouse |
| 18:21.02 | rryoumaa | the keyboard is not always accessible to me |
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| 18:21.24 | rryoumaa | also, you launch it with the mouse and making it full screen should also be mouse so you don't have to switch |
| 18:21.31 | jordanm | rryoumaa: the fullscreen you get from "fullscreen" in your window manager is not the same as fullscreen in VLC itself |
| 18:21.52 | jordanm | full screen in the window manager and VLC still displays the media controls at the bottom |
| 18:22.04 | rryoumaa | jordanm: thanks, i am aware that full screen has different definitions in different applications. i am referring to using the entire screen without decorations. |
| 18:22.28 | rryoumaa | i don't want the controls until the mouse is moved. i want double click time lengthened. |
| 18:22.41 | rryoumaa | (i.e. this is really a double click time question) |
| 18:23.22 | f8l | vlt: No problem. ;-) |
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| 18:26.11 | rryoumaa | alternatively in the case of vlc it would be fine to have controls when the regular window is up, but i also want double click lengthened |
| 18:26.58 | rryoumaa | the controls are there, but for large videos they do not show on the screen because the window is larger than the screen |
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| 18:30.08 | orfix | rozie: jhutchins: thanks to the "rescue mode" I found the way to reinstall Grub... so my / is on sdb4 what should I do ? install Grub in sdb or sdb4 ? (I remember that I didn't set sdb4 boot flag could this be the problem ?) |
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| 18:30.56 | jhutchins | orfix: sdb |
| 18:31.04 | orfix | okidoki |
| 18:31.07 | jhutchins | Needs to be the MBR, not a partition. |
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| 18:31.36 | mtn | orfix: and if you are booting sda first, you still won't see grub |
| 18:31.42 | jhutchins | orfix: Also, if it's sdb, you have to make sure that that drive is set to boot in the BIOS. You might install it to sda even if debian is on sdb. |
| 18:32.04 | rozie | and boot flag does not matter IIRC |
| 18:32.25 | jhutchins | Some people will install it to the second drive and choose with the BIOS boot menu. Rosie's right. |
| 18:32.43 | rozie | *z* ;) |
| 18:32.45 | jhutchins | Some BIOSs will let you choose a specific drive, some will always boot to the first bootable HD. |
| 18:34.03 | orfix | jhutchins: rozie: YAY ! thank you so much ! it works fine ! |
| 18:34.20 | jhutchins | xlnt. Did you end up on sda or sdb? |
| 18:34.23 | orfix | I have to HD, sdb is an mSATA |
| 18:34.27 | orfix | sdb |
| 18:34.32 | rozie | of course it works. it's Debian. |
| 18:34.34 | rozie | ;) |
| 18:34.35 | orfix | sda is just for /home and swap |
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| 18:34.48 | orfix | :D |
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| 18:35.50 | b4rt | Hello all! |
| 18:35.54 | b4rt | someone helpme please? |
| 18:35.55 | orfix | no USB stick was harmed during this installation (used only netboot) |
| 18:35.57 | b4rt | :X |
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| 18:36.37 | b4rt | http://pastebin.com/P8UpQbeW |
| 18:37.51 | f8l | b4rt: How are we supposed to help you? |
| 18:38.32 | b4rt | Error: http://pastebin.com/P8UpQbeW |
| 18:38.44 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell b4rt -about ask |
| 18:38.47 | b4rt | ./configure one source Omega IRC Services. |
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| 18:40.10 | f8l | b4rt: I can see no errors there. |
| 18:40.50 | jhutchins | b4rt: This is not a debian package, is it? |
| 18:40.54 | petn-randall | b4rt: Please elaborate. What are you trying to do? What did you expect? What happened? |
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| 18:41.43 | b4rt | jhulst, need ld.so |
| 18:41.51 | b4rt | jhutchins, * |
| 18:42.09 | b4rt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.10 | b4rt | <bart> more information, such as the ld(1) and ld.so(8) manual pages |
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| 18:46.19 | nejucomo | When I run urxvt I get: "unable to load base fontset". Googling a few ancient bugs which were closed even though no fix was suggested… (Such as this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392024) |
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| 18:46.31 | nejucomo | What is a base font set and how do I install one and/or configure urxvt to find it? |
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| 18:46.53 | f8l | nejucomo: You are lacking a font urxvt is set to use. |
| 18:47.21 | nejucomo | f8l: Ok. This is a new jessie install… Hm... |
| 18:47.30 | nejucomo | examines rxvt-unicode package for recommends... |
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| 18:47.50 | jhutchins | nejucomo: Does it otherwise work? |
| 18:47.53 | f8l | nejucomo: Did you set your own font for urxvt in .Xdefaults? |
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| 18:48.59 | nejucomo | jhutchins: I can specify -fn 'xft:Terminus' which I just copied from some user forum suggestion. |
| 18:49.22 | nejucomo | That renders, but every character looks like it's surrounded by about another character's width of whitespace... |
| 18:49.26 | nejucomo | So it's not really usable. |
| 18:49.35 | jhutchins | nejucomo: I's also check /usr/share/doc/urxvt* for recommendatiaons. |
| 18:50.17 | nejucomo | f8l: I uncommented a line in /etc/X11/app-defaults/URxvt as suggested in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392024#10 to see if I can make plain "urxvt" work. |
| 18:50.24 | jhutchins | nejucomo: THat's not an uncommon kind of problem to have in testing; they have changed the default font packages and not changed rxvt. |
| 18:50.27 | nejucomo | jhutchins: Ok, thanks. |
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| 18:51.09 | jhutchins | nejucomo: You should probably report it as a bug. |
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| 18:53.35 | f8l | nejucomo: You can `echo 'URxvt.font: -*-terminus-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*' >> .Xdefaults` and relog to X. You can also select other variants easily with xfontsel. |
| 18:54.23 | nejucomo | f8l: Thanks. |
| 18:54.30 | nejucomo | Thanks for the helpfulness everyone! |
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| 18:57.17 | nejucomo | f8l: I don't have the font you suggested. Which package? |
| 18:57.42 | nejucomo | Ah, xfonts-terminus perhaps. |
| 18:58.07 | f8l | nejucomo: Yes. There are two packages with Terminus IIRC. |
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| 19:01.48 | nejucomo | Hrm… If I install a font package while X is running, is there a necessary step to make the font specification work in existing shells? |
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| 19:02.55 | f8l | nejucomo: `xset fp rehash` and restarting terminals is what I'd try. |
| 19:03.06 | nejucomo | Thanks. |
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| 19:05.04 | f8l | nejucomo: You are lucky. I had exactly the same problem with urxvt after I installed Arch yesterday. ;-) |
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| 19:06.13 | nejucomo | :-) |
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| 19:07.46 | nejucomo | So, I have a squeeze machine and when I specify a particular font pattern (with a bunch of stars) it looks beautiful. How can I figure out which specific font that is selecting and what package it lives in? |
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| 19:08.55 | f8l | nejucomo: All I can tell is that package is already installed and the font path is loaded in X. |
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| 19:11.39 | f8l | nejucomo: Here, fonts are in pcf files residing in /usr/share/fonts/local, but I don't have access to a machine running Debian right now. |
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| 19:17.18 | f8l | nejucomo: Oh, and fonts.dir files map font files with their XLFD names. |
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| 19:25.26 | Guest69193 | could sb help me |
| 19:26.06 | Guest69193 | the versionns of the official debian sources are completly outdated |
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| 19:26.27 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 19:26.36 | DelphiWorld | any autotoolificator? |
| 19:26.39 | mtn | Guest69193: what does that mean, outdated? |
| 19:26.40 | DelphiWorld | i am building a lib |
| 19:26.44 | DelphiWorld | but i need lib.a not .la |
| 19:26.48 | DelphiWorld | how to output a .a file? |
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| 19:26.56 | Guest69193 | i got f.e. mongodb 2.0.6 althought 2.5 is out |
| 19:27.19 | Guest69193 | nmap 6.00... 6.40 or anyis out |
| 19:27.21 | mtn | Guest69193: debian is stable, not unstable and the latest packages. |
| 19:27.37 | f8l | nejucomo: dpkg -S $(find /usr/share/fonts -name fonts.dir -exec grep -he $(echo '-*-terminus-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*' | sed 's/*/.*/g') {} + | sed 's/fonts.dir://; s/ .*//') |
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| 19:27.45 | Guest69193 | k thu |
| 19:29.02 | f8l | dpkg: tell Guest69193 about stable |
| 19:29.34 | nejucomo | f8l: Awesome. |
| 19:29.38 | Guest69193 | yea tell me pluuuuz |
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| 19:29.52 | Guest69193 | :*/ |
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| 19:30.12 | f8l | nejucomo: Did it work? |
| 19:30.14 | plm | Hi all |
| 19:30.16 | DelphiWorld | !tel Guest69193 about stable |
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| 19:31.18 | f8l | Guest69193: You should get a message from dpkg by now. Did you? |
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| 19:31.41 | nejucomo | f8l: hehe… The answer: xfonts-base |
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| 19:32.13 | Guest69193 | tel is old |
| 19:32.25 | bakaneko | is there is the way to see dpkg dependencies tree in GUI ? |
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| 19:33.27 | f8l | bakaneko: IIRC dpkg can output .dot files, which can be viewed with graphviz. |
| 19:33.38 | bakaneko | thx |
| 19:33.43 | f8l | bakaneko: Isn't aptitude enough? |
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| 19:33.51 | cusco | hi folks |
| 19:34.28 | cusco | I'm looking to include some zend stuff (zts iirc) into php, thus I believe I have to apt-get source <php5-something> |
| 19:34.37 | cusco | what something would that be? php5-common? |
| 19:34.44 | DDAZZA | How can I disable some of my services from starting like mysql/DLNA server? |
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| 19:35.19 | f8l | cusco: php5-common will be pulled once you install php, I believe. |
| 19:35.28 | cusco | DDAZZA: in /etc/rc2.d/you have symlinks to starting stuff named in a orderly fashion |
| 19:35.28 | bakaneko | i don't know which programm is dependent on a given package. it's hidden under some layers |
| 19:35.56 | tremon | cusco: why not just install zendframework and let apt/dpkg handle the php dependencies? |
| 19:36.02 | f8l | cusco: apt-get install zendframework |
| 19:36.03 | cusco | f8l: I'm not undertanding your answer.. I would like to ./configure with some --enable-flags |
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| 19:36.12 | cusco | tremon: one could do that? |
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| 19:36.27 | cusco | ow |
| 19:36.39 | korst3n | hi.. is it possible to clone a live debian drive to an external (smaller) drive? |
| 19:36.47 | cusco | my goal is to have only one feature from it, to use pecl to install pthreads |
| 19:37.03 | cusco | zendframework would hve this zts thingie then? |
| 19:37.29 | DDAZZA | cusco: Are you suggesting I remove the ones I don't want to start? How would I put them back? |
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| 19:38.02 | cusco | DDAZZA: those links come from /etc/init.d/stuff |
| 19:38.12 | cusco | you can recreate it at a later time |
| 19:38.20 | tremon | cusco: that I don't know, I have never used zend. But if you want to install from source, you are going to need many more packages than just php |
| 19:38.23 | f8l | bakaneko: Try `aptitude why «package»`. |
| 19:38.37 | cusco | looking to waht is in /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 19:38.47 | bakaneko | ok |
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| 19:38.52 | cusco | DDAZZA: I use sysv-rc-conf for that in some machines |
| 19:38.57 | Guest69193 | lawl im now in update/upgrade of unstable he wants to update evrything 845mb and really important things what should i do |
| 19:39.05 | cusco | makes it easy to not make any mistakes |
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| 19:39.33 | cusco | tremon: that is correct, but I have a chroot just to compile stuff |
| 19:39.39 | vbajpai | I just removed a 30G file, rm -rf $FILE, but the disk space is not recoverred |
| 19:39.40 | cusco | I was thinking I could apt-build there |
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| 19:39.59 | plm | I have multiple 3G data usb cards. I can connect each of them separately and access the internet. Is there any way i can aggregate the bandwidth of these cards to enjoy the combined speed? What i mean is simultaneously plugging in all the cards and getting the sum total of the bandwidth. I would like to create a big virtual link with high bandwidth upload (7 Mbps) to sent a high quality video streaming (rtsp) for my sever in real time. |
| 19:40.02 | f8l | Guest69193: Abort. Did you just try to upgrade from stable to unstable? |
| 19:40.12 | Guest69193 | yes |
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| 19:40.21 | Guest69193 | y abort |
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| 19:40.28 | cusco | just changing the rules file to contain --enable-roxen-zts and --enable-maintainer-zts |
| 19:40.37 | cusco | and re-create a package for normal use |
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| 19:41.03 | Guest69193 | y abooort |
| 19:41.07 | cusco | altough I would also need to check libraries in chroot needed to run this in main S.O |
| 19:41.20 | Guest69193 | what will happeeennn? |
| 19:41.28 | Guest69193 | if i do it |
| 19:41.45 | f8l | Guest69193: If you do what? |
| 19:41.57 | Guest69193 | M( |
| 19:41.58 | tremon | Guest69193: if you need us to answer such questions, you should not be running unstable. So abort the upgrade now, or reinstall stable |
| 19:42.11 | cusco | Guest69193: well if you use unstable you're oght to know stuff ca break |
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| 19:42.28 | cusco | you can have a go and in worst case scenario install... that is somewhat vollatil |
| 19:42.32 | cusco | e |
| 19:43.02 | Guest69193 | but since when hav been updates 'bad'? |
| 19:43.05 | cusco | Í once got so pissed I upgraded to unstable by mistake, whi it was uncommentedin sources.list |
| 19:43.14 | cusco | tho just took a while to catch up with testing |
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| 19:43.28 | Guest69193 | oohhw |
| 19:43.28 | cusco | Guest69193: since they're unstable too |
| 19:43.52 | Guest69193 | i dont understand it |
| 19:43.54 | cusco | Guest69193: you could try that, setting 'testing' in your sources.list and see if anything updates from there |
| 19:44.03 | bais | hi |
| 19:44.07 | Guest69193 | updates are made to improve |
| 19:44.07 | cusco | guessing by the size in MB of your updates |
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| 19:44.15 | cusco | seems quite a while you updated |
| 19:44.22 | Guest69193 | cusco: testing |
| 19:44.39 | Guest69193 | nope i update stable today |
| 19:44.59 | cusco | I recon, in unstable you should upgrade frequently to understand changes in updates and be able to deal with them on a gradual basis |
| 19:45.09 | Guest69193 | is the 'testing' state a kinda between state from unstable to stable?? |
| 19:45.09 | cusco | I thought you said unstable |
| 19:45.21 | f8l | Guest69193: Yes. |
| 19:45.22 | cusco | yes |
| 19:45.32 | Guest69193 | awsm :) |
| 19:45.57 | cusco | my thougths exactly :) |
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| 19:46.38 | f8l | Guest69193: You should probably stay with stable and use backports. |
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| 19:48.10 | Guest69193 | whats backports |
| 19:48.24 | f8l | dpkg: tell Guest69193 about backports |
| 19:49.17 | Guest69193 | testing.. mh still 831mb :/ |
| 19:50.42 | f8l | Guest69193: Which Debian version do you use? |
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| 19:51.30 | Guest69193 | i dont need to purge or autoremove? 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:51.58 | Guest69193 | and u? |
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| 19:52.59 | Guest69193 | stable normal i believe |
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| 19:56.21 | Guest69193 | anyway anything seems wrong |
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| 19:57.19 | f8l | Guest69193: Yes. That seems to be the current stable version. If you don't have much experience, you should not touch unstable. Testing might be an option, but it's better just to learn about backports. |
| 19:57.23 | plm | Anyone? |
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| 19:58.23 | mtn | plm: 1411 people all say: what? |
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| 19:59.10 | f8l | plm: You should probably seek for a channel about networking. |
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| 19:59.20 | tremon | plm: what you want is called multipath routing, and yes you can with linux, and no you don't want it over 3g |
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| 19:59.50 | Guest69193 | k than last question when i use update after i changed sources.list will it parse the old versions? |
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| 20:01.29 | f8l | Guest69193: Old versions of what? |
| 20:01.44 | roflcopter5830 | how do i set apt to install from expirmental by default on my testing machine? |
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| 20:02.25 | abrotman | you don't |
| 20:02.31 | f8l | roflcopter5830: experimental as a default? Are you insane? |
| 20:02.37 | plm | tremon: i will have a single big link to sent a streaming over it? |
| 20:03.14 | tremon | plm: no, you will have multiple small links. If you want to emulate a single big link, your isp must aggregate your links on its end too |
| 20:03.45 | Guest69193 | f8l backports |
| 20:04.12 | cusco | please re-compile PHP with ZTS enabled - thats what I get even with zendframework |
| 20:04.29 | cusco | so I guess I'm looking to recompile php |
| 20:04.52 | cusco | getting source from debian, what package would I need? php5-common? |
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| 20:05.09 | f8l | Guest69193: I failed to understand the question. |
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| 20:05.42 | f8l | cusco: Is there such a source package as php5-common? |
| 20:05.56 | abrotman | no |
| 20:06.00 | tremon | roflcopter5830: you can't, it wouldn't be a testing machine anymore. On a more serious note, the experimental repository is explicitly tagged as NotAutomatic:yes |
| 20:06.01 | Guest69193 | oh ok |
| 20:06.17 | cusco | ow, right just php5 |
| 20:06.30 | cusco | git.debian.org |
| 20:06.45 | abrotman | what? |
| 20:06.56 | Guest69193 | f8l: thu anyways u helped me very much |
| 20:07.06 | abrotman | cusco: what does that have to do with it? |
| 20:07.10 | cusco | its where the source comes from, cool wasn't aware of git in debian .org |
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| 20:07.46 | f8l | cusco: `apt-get source php5` or something like that, after adding deb-src lines to you sources.list. |
| 20:08.32 | abrotman | cusco: no, that's not correct for what you're doing |
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| 20:08.55 | cusco | abrotman, what would be correct? |
| 20:09.14 | cusco | my goal is to install pthreads in php, but pecl complains that php is not compiled with zts enabled |
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| 20:09.17 | flo` | hi |
| 20:09.24 | cusco | some zend stuff, it seems |
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| 20:09.43 | flo` | debian offers a package for the phpBB3 forum. But does the package also support installing 3rd-party forum mods? |
| 20:09.56 | cusco | I tried installink ztsframework, but I still get:please re-compile PHP with ZTS enabled |
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| 20:10.05 | flo` | or should i better install the forum by hand, by using the phpBB-provided zip? |
| 20:10.09 | abrotman | flo`: seems like someting you'd download and check or read teh docs |
| 20:10.17 | jimcooncat | you know, oops |
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| 20:12.31 | flo` | abrotman: what do i check/ which docs do i read? |
| 20:12.45 | flo` | debian's? phpBB's? the docs of the mod? |
| 20:12.53 | abrotman | flo`: /usr/share/doc/phpbb3/ or whatever the package name is |
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| 20:14.04 | cusco | abrotman: shouldn't I get the source, then add --enable-roxen-zts and --enable-maintainer-zts |
| 20:14.17 | cusco | and then apt-get build the package? |
| 20:14.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cusco about source |
| 20:15.21 | flo` | the thing is, what does debian do on a upgrade of phpBB3? The docs don't say anything about this, except that "it will automagically work" |
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| 20:16.04 | flo` | however, they do not say anything about how debian behaves with mods. Which are *modifications* of the board's files, basically like applying a patch on several forum files. |
| 20:16.43 | flo` | that's why, phpBB offers "upgrade packages" which are also only patches. Which then, obviously, don't touch the modifications (as long there are no conflics). |
| 20:17.00 | flo` | does debian do this as well, or will it blindly overwrite my files with stock ones? |
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| 20:18.24 | tremon | flo`: generally speaking, dpkg will overwrite package files with newer versions, except for files which have been marked as config files. For those, dpkg only overwrites if they haven't been modified |
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| 20:19.07 | abrotman | and it sohuldn't overwrite files it doesn't own |
| 20:19.12 | Lycurgus | was a little surprised at the current apparent situation with Adobe reader (acroread). |
| 20:19.24 | abrotman | not in Debian? |
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| 20:20.03 | Lycurgus | unclear if or not, but not readily |
| 20:20.14 | abrotman | it'ts not in Debian |
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| 20:20.37 | Lycurgus | Adobe Reader is free so it's something I only want to comment on not spin cycles with |
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| 20:20.54 | abrotman | okay, it's still not in Debian, talk to Adobe or wherever you got the package from |
| 20:20.55 | Lycurgus | xpdf will do on wheezy |
| 20:21.36 | Lycurgus | does not wanna tawk to no bitch-ass adobe |
| 20:21.38 | f8l | Lycurgus: Is it free as in „free speech”? |
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| 20:22.13 | abrotman | f8l: no, free beer, it's a closed source app that Debian cannot distribute |
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| 20:22.37 | f8l | abrotman: I wanted Lycurgus to answer that. ;-) |
| 20:22.43 | abrotman | doubt he knows |
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| 20:23.09 | tremon | Lycurgus: ask dpkg about dfsg before proclaiming here that adobe reader is "free" |
| 20:23.25 | ompaul | free as in freedom, it tends not to occur with programs that adobe makes |
| 20:23.46 | ompaul | the freedom to copy, share do what you like with it or it's source |
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| 20:24.31 | ompaul | because as OSS or Free Software has shown, you don't need to block access to the source to create a good business |
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| 20:25.21 | Lycurgus | it's a fine judgement at what point you accept a thing. I accepted this before entering this room to comment on it. |
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| 20:25.55 | Lycurgus | i don't need everything to work everywhere |
| 20:25.57 | oo_miguel | How does for example lspci work? Do all the devices listed there use the same kind of interface to communicate with me? |
| 20:26.04 | ompaul | Lycurgus: and I don't need it to work |
| 20:26.15 | abrotman | would suggest moving on |
| 20:26.22 | ompaul | I comply |
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| 20:26.27 | abrotman | oo_miguel: you mean how does it know what's there, or what it actually is? |
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| 20:26.46 | Lycurgus | actually based on recent experience I think xpdf may work better on linux |
| 20:27.00 | oo_miguel | where does lspci get the information? |
| 20:27.01 | f8l | Eh, homophones… We have the same problem in Poland. „Free” (as in „freedom”) translates to „wolny”, but it also means „slow”. (Why would anyone care about „slow” software? ;-P) At least we have „darmowy” for „free” as in „gratis”. |
| 20:27.09 | ompaul | oo_miguel: it is ls for the pci bus (does that help?) try in /proc |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | oo_miguel: it maps the PCI IDs to the PCI database (see update-pciids) |
| 20:28.06 | oo_miguel | so in general every pci bus can be asked: "hey everyone give me your ids" ? |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | oo_miguel: see /proc/bus/pci/devices and then compare to the pci.ids |
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| 20:30.44 | tremon | oo_miguel: lspci doesn't probe the pci bus, it asks the kernel. And the kernel doesn't probe the pci bus at lspci's request either, that's already performed at boot time |
| 20:31.27 | tremon | oo_miguel: but yes, pci devices have a way to announce their presence |
| 20:31.34 | oo_miguel | so at boot time something similar to what i see in /proc/bus/pci/devices is generated |
| 20:31.44 | tremon | yes, basically |
| 20:31.53 | oo_miguel | and having this information i can talk to this devices |
| 20:32.21 | tremon | is not a fan of anthropomorphic language |
| 20:32.33 | tremon | oo_miguel: the kernel can, through its device drivers, yes |
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| 20:33.36 | oo_miguel | ok I think I understand it. thank you |
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| 20:37.02 | Guest69193 | oh i know now that its all about... |
| 20:37.03 | Lycurgus | I could go into a discourse on language use, efficient speech acts, usw, but suffice it to say, yes I am aware of different nuances in the term "free" |
| 20:37.04 | tremon | oo_miguel: from the kernel's perspective, pci devices have two properties: an address and an id. Anything on top of that is provided by the driver. The kernel knows which driver to load based on the id |
| 20:37.16 | Guest69193 | its from wheezy to jessie O.o |
| 20:38.51 | Lycurgus | in this case "free" meant: "these boogers are distributing this thing for nothing everywhere and it's the canonical free thing leading into ... |
| 20:39.40 | Lycurgus | ... a priced product line. That and until the last release it was in debian. So something changed.". That "free". |
| 20:39.46 | tremon | Lycurgus: actually, you're on #debian, in which case free is defined as http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 20:40.38 | oo_miguel | tremon: Is the kernel communicating also in other ways beside the pci-bus? |
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| 20:40.47 | oo_miguel | with any devices |
| 20:41.05 | oo_miguel | or are all other channels build on top of that? |
| 20:41.22 | oo_miguel | I can see the usb controller is in my lspci for instance |
| 20:41.25 | Guest69193 | when has jessie been released? |
| 20:41.52 | Guest69193 | is there a release list or smthn |
| 20:41.54 | solrize | hi, i have debian on several servers and it's great. i've been using fedora for desktops but am getting tired of the flakiness. what am i in for if i switch to debian? any prob with X windows etc? |
| 20:42.32 | Guest69193 | lol nope |
| 20:43.19 | Guest69193 | fedora has got a complete differen core? |
| 20:44.30 | ompaul | !tell Guest69193 release-date |
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| 20:44.46 | ompaul | !tell Guest69193 about release-date |
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| 20:45.15 | Guest69193 | dpkg> ompaul wants you to know: Debian does not release based on dates, it is released when there are no <release critical> bugs. See also <release history>. |
| 20:45.16 | dpkg | Guest69193: what are you talking about? |
| 20:45.20 | Lycurgus | solrize, there's actually only one underlying linux |
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| 20:45.40 | Lycurgus | fedora and debian are equivalent at that level |
| 20:45.52 | Lycurgus | even nixos ftm |
| 20:46.08 | Lycurgus | and other non-lsb's with the standard kernel |
| 20:46.18 | tremon | oo_miguel: you're getting very hardware-specific fast with such questions. but yes, almost all devices rely on pci enumeration in some way. The most notable exceptions are on-chip services such as core temperature sensors or ecc memory controllers |
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| 20:47.00 | solrize | Lycurgus, yeah, i know the kernel is the same, but there's a fair amount of difference in code packaging. commands and file locations are different, etc. |
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| 20:47.31 | Lycurgus | the LSB conformant ones' seem pretty similar to me |
| 20:47.46 | tremon | oo_miguel: note that the original "pci bus" has mostly disappeared, but pci-express uses the same protocol for detecting devices |
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| 20:48.12 | Lycurgus | late fedora and ubuntu do do special stuff related to their commerical lead-in purpose I assume |
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| 20:48.24 | f8l | Lycurgus: IIRC, Debian patches Linux. I'd be surprised if Fedora didn't. |
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| 20:49.11 | oo_miguel | tremon: I Thank you very much for your competent answers. That explained a lot to me! |
| 20:49.12 | Lycurgus | f8l, you mean build their own kernel? Most people who package a distro do that |
| 20:50.44 | solrize | Lycurgus, ok, cool, i'll go ahead with an install, thanks |
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| 20:52.47 | f8l | Lycurgus: I meant that there may be some differences for kernels in Debian, Fedora and vanilla Linux. |
| 20:53.16 | Lycurgus | f8l, k |
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| 20:57.10 | Evidlo | can anyone make sense of this? http://www.rafb.me/results/Ot8Ie636.html |
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| 21:00.05 | f8l | Evidlo: Use quotes around the variable. Also, this is not a channel for such questions. |
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| 21:01.05 | Akuw | hi |
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| 21:01.23 | jready | I see that Jessie has KDE 4.10.5, I would like to get that without dist-upgrading to that from Wheezy. Is there an easy way to do this? |
| 21:02.39 | Akuw | i am trying to use apt-get but i got: apt-get: /opt/fgs/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by apt-get) |
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| 21:04.03 | finchd | jready: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html tl;dr: add jessie to sources.list, then try apt-get install <package>/unstable |
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| 21:06.15 | jready | How do I install a single package (KDE4.10.5) from Jessie into Wheezy? |
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| 21:09.07 | finchd | jready: apt-get isntall <package>/unstable |
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| 21:10.39 | jready | finchd: <package>/testing for Jessie package? |
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| 21:11.36 | finchd | oh right, jessie isn't unstable now *facepalm* |
| 21:12.08 | finchd | yeah but if you don't add testing to your sources.list, it won't know where to dl it from |
| 21:12.47 | finchd | jready: you could just dl the .deb and install manually with dpkg, but it won't fix dependencies |
| 21:12.52 | jhutchins | Best to use release names in your sources list. |
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| 21:13.12 | jhutchins | Are we attempting to mix releases here? |
| 21:13.52 | jready | finchd: I guess I should add testing to sources.list to get updates with just an apt-get upgrade right? |
| 21:14.26 | f8l | jready: First make sure there's no backported version. |
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| 21:14.50 | sukaeto | jready: you may want to set up a sandbox on a virtual machine to test this with, first |
| 21:15.12 | sukaeto | things very well could break, and you'll have a hard time getting them back to normal if they do |
| 21:15.20 | jready | sukaeto: Just my messing around box. Not a huge deal |
| 21:16.07 | jhutchins | jready: You do realize that the only more likely way to cause your system to need a clean reinstall is to mix different distributions, right? |
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| 21:16.27 | jhutchins | jready: You should NEVER install testing onto stable. If it's not backported, do your own backport. |
| 21:16.49 | jhutchins | jready: If you add testing to your sources list and don't pin it, all kinds of bad things can get introduced. |
| 21:17.10 | jready | jhutchins: That's what I was worried about |
| 21:17.44 | jhutchins | I mean, if this is what you do for fun and you LIKE reinstalling from scratch, great. |
| 21:17.59 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 21:18.00 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:18.28 | jhutchins | jready: Substitute testing for sid there and the concept is the same. |
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| 21:24.32 | Almtesh | Hi everyone! |
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| 21:24.54 | Almtesh | I installed samba on debian wheezy server. |
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| 21:27.11 | jhutchins | Almtesh: Great! |
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| 21:29.08 | Almtesh | Sorry, I was concentrated on another problem that happenned because of the problem I will tell you. |
| 21:29.16 | Almtesh | So, samba. |
| 21:29.24 | Almtesh | Last wheezy version. |
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| 21:29.50 | LLckfan | hello |
| 21:29.51 | LLckfan | I have a Gateway laptop and when I opened the lid the power light was on but the laptop was asleep. When I pushed the power it started flashing with the lights for the light bulb and the battery but only when it was plugged in. Is this a sign I need a new tip end for my charger? |
| 21:29.57 | Almtesh | I configurated as a PDC, but I can't find the option to avoid that the client copies the whole home locally. |
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| 21:31.08 | Almtesh | LLckfan, Gateway, I don't know that laptop brand. |
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| 21:31.49 | qwebirc94822 | Hi, with Debian testing I can't change my laptop brightness, any suggestion on what might the problem be? |
| 21:32.06 | Almtesh | LLckfan, sorry, I re-read you message. |
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| 21:33.04 | Almtesh | LLckfan, it's quite large, actually, your problem comes somewhere between your electric panel and your charge components inside the laptop. |
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| 21:33.13 | mumpitze1 | qwebirc94822: google about your laptop brand/model and linux. almost the only thing you can do |
| 21:33.26 | LLckfan | It charges |
| 21:33.26 | sdollins | Anyone know why I can't find the cherokee package in wheezy? |
| 21:33.38 | Almtesh | LLckfan, you may have over-voltages, under-voltages, charger misfunction or other. |
| 21:34.10 | LLckfan | Ido not understand |
| 21:34.38 | mumpitze1 | sdollins: not part of debian. see http://cherokee-project.com/doc/basics_installation_unix.html#APT |
| 21:34.49 | jhutchins | Almtesh: That's probably configured on the clients - roaming profiles. |
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| 21:35.38 | sdollins | I don't understand. It says on their website to simply install it from the repos. I've found it in lenny, squeeze, and sid. |
| 21:35.42 | sdollins | Just not wheezy. |
| 21:36.14 | Almtesh | jhutchins, actually, it's to the PDC to tell the client if their are roaming or not. |
| 21:36.19 | mumpitze1 | sdollins: no it doesn't. it says install from "the apt repository". THEIR repo |
| 21:36.32 | Almtesh | jhutchins, err, I think. |
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| 21:36.44 | mumpitze1 | sdollins: under what name? I cant find it with apt-cache search cherokee |
| 21:36.55 | mumpitze1 | ,v cherokee |
| 21:36.56 | judd | Package: cherokee on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.8-5+squeeze1 |
| 21:36.58 | Almtesh | jhutchins, I'll see, once my problem is solved. |
| 21:37.13 | sdollins | The only repos they have is the Ubuntu PPA |
| 21:37.39 | jhutchins | Almtesh: That's part of the policy, which is stored in the registry of the client, and is difficult to edit without an actual windows server. |
| 21:37.50 | sdollins | What you linked me just provides info on fetching the "latest and greatest" from sid |
| 21:38.01 | jhutchins | Almtesh: I think there are utilities to do it in Linux but it's not easy, straightforward, or obvious. |
| 21:38.47 | sdollins | http://packages.debian.org/sid/cherokee |
| 21:38.55 | qwebirc94822 | Is there a big difference in stability from testing to sid? |
| 21:39.28 | mumpitze1 | sdollins: debports. not in debian |
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| 21:40.23 | f8l | qwebirc94822: If you have apt-listbugs and a pinch of luck, not really. |
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| 21:40.51 | qwebirc94822 | f8l: Be more specific, especially regarding a noob lol |
| 21:40.55 | qwebirc94822 | please :) |
| 21:41.01 | LLckfan | Hello |
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| 21:42.04 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: What's the link to the page that explains the different categories? |
| 21:42.37 | jhutchins | qwebirc94822: Sid is never released, it's a staging point for packages moving into testing. |
| 21:43.06 | qwebirc94822 | jhutchins: So it gets the latest packages and they are tested, before they move to testing? |
| 21:43.09 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins: which categories? debports? http://www.debian-ports.org/ |
| 21:43.11 | jhutchins | qwebirc94822: When the release critical bugs are worked out of the packages in testing, testing is released as stable. |
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| 21:43.29 | jhutchins | mumpitze1: I know there's a page that explains stable/testing/unstable. |
| 21:43.41 | mumpitze1 | beats me :( sorry |
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| 21:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 21:45.32 | f8l | qwebirc94822: Debian is generally boringly stable. Packages go to testing if no one finds a bug in them within a set time after they were uploaded to sid. If you have apt-listbugs installed, it will warn you about buggy packages you are about to install, so you can feel quite safe even in sid, but there's still some probability things will break. |
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| 21:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 21:45.42 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcmsmac' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 21:46.53 | qwebirc94822 | f8l: Thanks, that was very comprehensive explanation. |
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| 21:46.59 | jhutchins | qwebirc94822: One of the things about sid, and testing for that matter, is that there is no rush if something is broken. They'd rather get it fixed right than put a quick band-aid on it. |
| 21:47.05 | qwebirc94822 | f8l: which branch are you using? |
| 21:47.12 | qwebirc94822 | and jhutchins by the way too :) |
| 21:47.40 | jhutchins | I use stable, because at this point the computer's more of a tool to do my real work than a hobby. |
| 21:47.53 | f8l | qwebirc94822: Until yesterday I used sid with a pinch of experimental, but I got bored and installed Arch. ;-) |
| 21:48.15 | jhutchins | If I were to get into something a little more edgy like video production I might go to something that used newer packages, but I'm happy with a system that just works when I turn it on. |
| 21:48.52 | jhutchins | There have been times when I had a multi-boot system with stable for getting work done and testing for working on bugs. |
| 21:49.10 | Almtesh | jhutchins, and, exept for kde, debian is, for me, the best distro. |
| 21:49.11 | jhutchins | THere are a couple of things that are bothering me now, and I might start doing that again. |
| 21:49.46 | jhutchins | Almtesh: kde made too many stupid choices with 4 for me. I use xfce now. |
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| 21:51.27 | Almtesh | jhutchins, this is what I think about gnome 3. |
| 21:51.44 | jhutchins | Almtesh: I _never_ liked gnome. |
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| 21:58.20 | rryoumaa | i liked gnome 1, then they got all user-interface-philosphy-dogmatic-nonsense on me and i immediately ditched it |
| 21:59.34 | rryoumaa | they were like "no, you should never want cancel apply ok buttons ever, unless things are slow in which case we will sort of do them, and we will decide when that is, but you are a bad person for wanting them, even though they make things consistent, because we want to make things, um, consistent" |
| 22:00.21 | qwebirc94822 | f8l: If you can handle sid + experimental rather nicely, then Arch could be a walk in the park for you too :) . |
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| 22:03.16 | f8l | qwebirc94822: Well, I already had some problems, but nothing unmanageable. Except for X segfaults when switching to VTs… But that's what I missed – problems to solve. ;-) |
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| 22:04.49 | f8l | I miss some features of Debian, such as the alternatives system, but I tend to make my system more and more raw (that's why I don't use a DE for example) in order to learn how it works. |
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| 22:05.12 | qwebirc94822 | f8l: So openbox? |
| 22:05.18 | qwebirc94822 | awesome? |
| 22:05.24 | f8l | qwebirc94822: No. i3. |
| 22:05.28 | qwebirc94822 | I see |
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| 22:13.51 | f8l | I got a Vim virus recently (I was using about any VI clone I could find a .deb for. nvi was my first and, so far, the longest used VI clone.) and I try to fill my machine with programs which feel similar, like dwb or zathura. |
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| 22:24.47 | qwebirc94822 | How do I reconfigure grub after manually changing the grub file? |
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| 22:29.33 | f8l | qwebirc94822: Which file did you change? Something in /boot/grub/ or in /etc/defaults/grub/ ? |
| 22:29.56 | qwebirc94822 | f8l: /etc/default/grub |
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| 22:30.41 | f8l | qwebirc94822: grub-update or update-grub. I can't tell for sure. |
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| 22:33.03 | Nik05 | f8l update first :P |
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| 22:35.00 | f8l | Nik05: Thanks. As a part of my „trying new things adventure” I installed extlinux, so I couldn't check that easily and I wasn't sure. |
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| 22:37.16 | deni | can anyone tell me what the correct way to set battery charing threshold is right now? seeing as tp_smapi is deprecated |
| 22:37.54 | deni | i have a x230 and would very much like to keep my battery healthy but I'm not sure what the correct procedure is nowadays |
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| 22:47.14 | enkidu | hello. I am running debian on intel itanium machine. After bootup I have "Disabling IRQ #49" message with backtrace. What is happening and how to prevent it? |
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| 22:49.32 | monkwitdafunk | Sorry. I never used itanium. I know amibios and hp bios well |
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| 22:56.30 | monkwitdafunk | If you are able to reset basic IO, then the operating system on physical memory is the next yeah? |
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| 22:59.59 | deni | it would seem this is the way to go: http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html |
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| 23:00.06 | deni | anyone correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 23:09.18 | enkidu | actually I would need hesp in tracking it down |
| 23:09.48 | enkidu | last entry in backtrace is: handlers (address) usb_hcd_irq |
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| 23:13.16 | DoctorBTC | Any one help a noob? I installed something calle UrJTAG and made it through the make, make install stage. now when I run it i get the error message jtag: error while loading shared libraries: liburjtag.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:13.55 | DoctorBTC | i see that file is in /usr/local/lib and have added that to my PATH, and still no luck. I don't really know what else to try |
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