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| 00:10.40 | unkmar | How might I use a ISO's during install? I created the first DVD. I made sure the ISOs would be available for loop mounting during install. System doesn't appear to scan for them. |
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| 00:12.49 | unkmar | I clearly don't have a /etc/apt/sources.list so... Um, well? |
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| 00:14.47 | unkmar | I feel that burning CD/DVDs and then swapping them like a madman during install is rather crazy. Help? |
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| 00:19.55 | psnider85 | unkmar, Do you not have a USB port? |
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| 00:26.07 | unkmar | yes, but no usb drives. |
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| 00:35.24 | peterrooney | unkmar: the install should only need the first DVD, and you don't have a sources.list until later in the install. What I used to do was go to the second console and run "find /cdrom/pool/main -type f -exec cp {} /target/var/cache/apt/archives \;" |
| 00:36.03 | peterrooney | unkmar: I seem to recall that if you set the debconf priority to "low", you get an additional question about adding more CDs/DVDs |
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| 00:39.20 | unkmar | so you effectively copied all of pool/main to /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 00:40.58 | peterrooney | unkmar: yes; I have been known to walk away from installs partway through, and it makes things go faster when I get back. But, I am wondering what difficulty you are having. |
| 00:41.29 | unkmar | previously not knowing to do what you suggested. I other words. Thank you! |
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| 00:46.33 | quinso | Hello. It seem my debian wheezy doesn't use intel turbo mode on my i5-3570k - so it never uses the overclocked values. How do I fix it? |
| 00:48.35 | qwebirc94822 | Hello, does debian have a slower performance in gaming compared with other distros (steam), or is it just my impression? :P |
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| 00:49.43 | quinso | qwebirc94822: if you use nvidia then it may be so because non-free drivers in the repo are pretty old. |
| 00:49.55 | qwebirc94822 | quinso: and intel? |
| 00:50.55 | quinso | qwebirc94822: do you mean intel cpu or intel integrated videocard? |
| 00:51.11 | qwebirc94822 | quinso: intel integrated graphics card |
| 00:51.30 | quinso | Don't know anythig about that. |
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| 01:13.09 | enkidu | actually there is now massive work on graphics in linux. Debian is far from using bleeding edge software in repos |
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| 01:17.16 | buu | Anyone have a clever way to interrogate your current wireless card about speeds and capabilities? |
| 01:19.01 | Andymeows | Is anyone aware of any software to manage versions of server configuration changes? I.E., I have 8 debian web servers behind a load balancer, I'd like to manage updates to ensure changes are applied to all servers. |
| 01:22.58 | enkidu | buu: iwconfig is your friend |
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| 01:27.04 | buu | enkidu: Hrm. |
| 01:27.15 | buu | enkidu: Is there somereason it would say: IEEE 802.11abg |
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| 01:31.46 | julius_ | hi |
| 01:34.26 | enkidu | buu: actually I am not connected to any AP right now, but you can use iw command, ie. iw dev wlan0 link |
| 01:34.38 | enkidu | but I am not pretty sure if it will work |
| 01:35.01 | enkidu | abg means, it is capable to do a/b/g connections |
| 01:35.28 | james41382 | I am learning Java in school and sometimes when I get error compiling Eclipse says that it does not have the source during the stack/back trace. What's the package I should install to get all that openjdk stuff or is it just a matter of pointing eclipse to it? |
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| 01:39.26 | buu | enkidu: Right but the hardware claims it can do n connections |
| 01:39.48 | buu | So is this a linux driver issue? |
| 01:40.04 | enkidu | it might be. I got bgn suffix |
| 01:40.26 | buu | Yeah I get that on a different bo |
| 01:40.43 | buu | On the other hand, doesn't wireless g only go up to 54mb? |
| 01:41.13 | buu | A simple networktest gave me 62.4mbps |
| 01:41.19 | buu | So I'm slightly confused. |
| 01:42.46 | enkidu | 62.4 is for sure in N range |
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| 01:53.30 | enkidu | check "iw list" |
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| 01:54.34 | enkidu | it should have "RX HT20 SGI" or "RX HT40 SGI" in capabilities |
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| 02:05.05 | reavengrey | Just so you know |
| 02:05.09 | reavengrey | I'm the best |
| 02:05.38 | enkidu | what have you broken this time? |
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| 02:10.21 | buu | enkidu: iw list; seems to show the maximum bitrate is 54mbps |
| 02:11.29 | buu | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/270893 |
| 02:11.46 | buu | wifi is strange. |
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| 02:13.45 | enkidu | dont look at maximum bitrate |
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| 02:14.57 | julius_ | if i install debian on a x64 system with a 32bit network install cd, how good are the chances that if i switch the drive into a 32bit pc that it will just boot/work? |
| 02:15.07 | enkidu | it deosnt list capabilities, which is strange |
| 02:15.45 | enkidu | julius_: it was working for me, but you may need to tune it a bit after drive switch |
| 02:16.05 | julius_ | in what way? |
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| 02:17.05 | enkidu | i am not prety sure, if initrd will not need adjustments |
| 02:17.39 | qwebirc94822 | Hi, I can't disable my touchpad with the keyboard combination key in debian. What package could I be missing? |
| 02:17.44 | qwebirc94822 | Works in other distros though |
| 02:18.22 | julius_ | enkidu, ok will ask about this tomorrow. maybe somebody else knows |
| 02:19.13 | enkidu | it depends on chipset mostly, I had similar ones so had no preblems |
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| 02:20.01 | julius_ | my pcs are really different |
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| 02:24.03 | enkidu | is your hdd sata one? |
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| 02:25.45 | enkidu | if so, try putting generic sata driver to initrd. It will work |
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| 02:29.39 | CygniX | when is su to root, how do i get the shell the show the username in different coloer? |
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| 03:02.08 | postmodern | so i ran debootstrap and have a working debian chroot, but there's no apt-get available? |
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| 03:22.58 | tesla_dv | Hello, when booting my system, it attempts to change the resolution after entering my LUKS passphrase, how can I force X to start with a specific resolution? |
| 03:23.25 | tesla_dv | the grub GFX param is not being respected, I have ran update-grub... |
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| 03:35.40 | somiaj | tesla_dv: did you change the settings in /etc/default |
| 03:35.57 | somiaj | tesla_dv: check /etc/default/grub |
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| 03:39.06 | tesla_dv | samiaj: yeah I did. I think I just need to pass the video param in the kerenel. I'm looking to change the KMS resolution not X's I guess.. |
| 03:39.27 | tesla_dv | rebooting now :) |
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| 03:47.20 | jrr | I haven't tried wifi config from the command line in ages.. is there a reasonably simple way to just specify my network and passphrase? |
| 03:47.40 | jrr | the debian installer made it that simple, but it seems to have not preserved the settings |
| 03:48.37 | somiaj | jrr: you can use the /etc/network/interfaces file with aliases, it's what I do, very nice |
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| 03:55.23 | somiaj | jrr: http://paste.debian.net/52266/ -- examples for the interfaces file. If you use them as alias you can bring it up/down with 'ifup wlan0=alias_name' |
| 03:56.00 | jrr | thanks, trying now |
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| 03:59.08 | jrr | is wpa-psk the human-readable passphrase typically entered, or something else like hex? |
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| 03:59.40 | nas | i dont have eth0 configured in my interfaces file |
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| 03:59.49 | nas | but its on the internet somehow |
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| 03:59.55 | nas | how did it configure the internet? |
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| 04:00.02 | nas | i hate when it does stuff automatically |
| 04:00.18 | nas | i want to set a static ip |
| 04:00.22 | jrr | 'ifup wlan0 -v' suggests the ssid and psk are OK |
| 04:00.40 | jrr | nas: really? no dhcp? |
| 04:00.54 | jrr | most people, when they want a consistent IP, configure their router to always hand them the same IP |
| 04:01.13 | nas | ive never done it like that |
| 04:01.16 | nas | i guess i could |
| 04:01.35 | nas | but still |
| 04:02.07 | nas | what is it using to configure the internet if not /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:10.27 | ak5 | hi! Can I get dpkg -i to behave so that it doesn't install if it is already installed? |
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| 04:23.52 | mumpitzel | ak5: it only installs if you try to install a higher version package |
| 04:24.31 | somiaj | jrr: if you use WPA the password is usually human readable |
| 04:24.50 | somiaj | jrr: if you use WEP that is different, that is the old hex number cods, and it is also considered insecure |
| 04:25.35 | somiaj | ak5: why not check if it is installed first? |
| 04:26.16 | jrr | fear not it's wpa |
| 04:26.41 | jrr | I'm reinstalling, this time with X, so I'll have a backup plan |
| 04:26.43 | somiaj | ak5: dpkg -l packagename, 'aptitude search ~i~npackagename' |
| 04:26.52 | jrr | (this is a chromebook with no wired ethernet) |
| 04:26.54 | somiaj | jrr: so then use the second option I gave for wep configuration |
| 04:27.08 | somiaj | jrr: also make sure you have the firmware installed 'demsg | grep firmware' |
| 04:27.44 | jrr | I'm partway through my reinstall, with the installer's nice ncurses frontend successfully connected to the wifi |
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| 04:28.15 | jrr | /target/etc/network/interfaces looks just like your wpa example |
| 04:28.59 | somiaj | unless it has changed you needed slightly different options for wpa vs wep connenctions |
| 04:29.11 | somiaj | maybe wpasupplicant can do either these days, I still have both in my config |
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| 04:29.56 | jrr | I may have been unclear: I'm using wpa |
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| 04:30.27 | somiaj | oh I thought you said you had a hex like key for wep. (: |
| 04:30.27 | jrr | above that was meant as "fear not, I'm using wpa", rather than "I fear I'm (not) using wpa" |
| 04:30.42 | somiaj | what does 'ifup wlan0=alias' name output? |
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| 04:32.12 | jrr | I can try that after it finishes installing; I dare not interrupt apt right nwo |
| 04:32.37 | somiaj | you could just open up another terminal if you need |
| 04:32.40 | somiaj | alt-f2 alt-f3 |
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| 04:37.13 | ak5 | mumpitzel: that doesn't seem correct, I get this output: https://gist.github.com/alexanderververis/d2d06c5108e6b763ffeb |
| 04:37.36 | ak5 | somiaj: I am trying to do this programmatically using ansible for automatic provisioning |
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| 04:43.07 | somiaj | ak5: well then have your script/program do the check |
| 04:43.40 | somiaj | yea dpkg will allow you to downgrade, having a logic check is the only way I can think of |
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| 04:45.12 | somiaj | 'dpkg -l packagename && dpkg -i foo.deb' would be a simple way, but it may not work with packages in bad states, checking the state would help be better |
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| 05:32.07 | ivanshmakov | Any idea where the recent debbugs code could be found? The package itself dates back to 2003, but somehow, I believe that the code running behind http://bugs.debian.org/ is more up to date. |
| 05:32.57 | ivanshmakov | (On the practical side, I need only to know the by-*.idx files format. Is it documented somewhere?) |
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| 05:40.07 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: you can get the source code from a deb-src line with 'apt-get source' or from packages.debian.org. Have you looked at apt-listbugs? |
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| 05:43.03 | ivanshmakov | somiaj: With ‘deb-src’, is it the package described at http://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/debbugs that I’ll get? |
| 05:44.03 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: it will figure out the right source cor you, so if you have a deb-src just type 'apt-get source debbugs' |
| 05:44.28 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: you can do that as a normal user and it downloads the source in the cwd |
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| 05:45.22 | ivanshmakov | somiaj: My point is that ‘debbugs’ there dates back to 2003. (Check the changelog, http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/d/debbugs/debbugs_2.4.1_changelog.) I wonder if there’s any more recent version. |
| 05:45.55 | ivanshmakov | somiaj: As for apt-listbugs, I don’t seem to see how it could be useful for my purposes. |
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| 05:48.35 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: yea I guess I don't know enough as to what your needs are. I wouldn't know what bugs.debian.org is using, are you wanting to run your own bts? |
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| 05:52.40 | Macer | is there a hurd debian #? |
| 05:52.47 | ivanshmakov | somiaj: My intent is to have a local copy of the logs for the bugs I find interesting, so that I can read them with Gnus. For that, I selectively Rsync from rsync://bugs-mirror.debian.org/bts-spool-db/. Now, the idea is to also process the indices available from rsync://bugs-mirror.debian.org/bts-spool-index/, so that I can populate my --include-from= .filter file with the bug numbers for the packages I’m interested in (or submitters, |
| 05:52.47 | ivanshmakov | or owners, etc.) |
| 05:52.57 | Macer | bit curious as to how the hurd stuff is coming aloneg |
| 05:53.01 | Macer | along |
| 05:53.39 | ivanshmakov | Macer: I know of none. My guess is that the GNU Hurd specific questions belong to #hurd, and the Debian GNU/Hurd ones belong here. |
| 05:53.49 | Macer | ah ok |
| 05:54.01 | Macer | any idea hw well hardware is supported? |
| 05:54.18 | Macer | doubtful it is nearly as supported as with using a linux kernel |
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| 05:54.44 | ivanshmakov | Macer: Badly. My impression is that the best way to use GNU/Hurd is to run it under a KVM running on GNU/Linux. |
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| 05:55.02 | Macer | oh :-/ |
| 05:55.14 | Macer | that kind of defeats the purpose |
| 05:55.20 | ivanshmakov | Macer: Why? |
| 05:55.26 | Macer | where is berkeley when you need them? |
| 05:55.29 | ivanshmakov | Macer: Depends on the purpose, I guess. |
| 05:55.30 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: there is a #debbugs channel on irc.oftc.net, also https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs |
| 05:55.35 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: they list the sourcecode there. |
| 05:55.45 | ivanshmakov | somiaj: ACK, thanks! |
| 05:55.49 | Macer | i suppose. i just wanted to try our hurd/debian |
| 05:56.02 | Macer | out |
| 05:56.20 | Macer | would be interesting to see how well it works nowadays |
| 05:56.32 | Macer | i remember it not being able to even boot a while back heh |
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| 05:59.05 | somiaj | ivanshmakov: I don't know the best way to achive what ya want, but hopefully that points ya in the right direction. (: |
| 05:59.21 | Macer | is kfbsd working? |
| 05:59.24 | ivanshmakov | Macer: GNU/Hurd is still much of a “research” system. It helps those interested to explore how “non-mainstream” systems could be written, to imagine different ways to do the things, etc. It isn’t exactly usable for any other purpose. |
| 05:59.42 | Macer | ah i see |
| 06:00.00 | Macer | it would be interesting to see if i could get a non-linux based laptop going |
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| 06:00.10 | Macer | im curious about alternative systems |
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| 06:00.27 | Macer | i guess debian has kfbsd and a hurd distro.. maybe tomorrow i will try kfbsd |
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| 06:01.52 | Macer | at least fbsd is rather developed |
| 06:01.59 | Macer | but i doubt wifi would work |
| 06:02.14 | Macer | it is still rather bad using a linux based distro |
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| 06:06.02 | ivanshmakov | somiaj: As per debbugs-5f45bb2288c4/Debbugs/Bugs.pm, it’s the ‘MLDBM qw (DB_File Storable)’ format that’s used for the .idx files. Thanks again for pointing me to the source. |
| 06:07.36 | ivanshmakov | Macer: The Wi-Fi hardware vendors are almost as “uncooperative” (to say the least) to the free software community as those of graphics cards, indeed. |
| 06:09.08 | ivanshmakov | (But then, I’m slowly becoming dissatisfied with 100 Mbit/s Ethernets. I guess that the Wi-Fi bandwidth would not suit my needs, either.) |
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| 06:09.51 | Macer | yeah heh |
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| 06:10.02 | Macer | then again tho a lot of distros refuse to allow blobs |
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| 06:10.36 | Macer | ubuntu is one of the few ive seen outright allow closed "drivers" |
| 06:10.40 | Macer | heh |
| 06:11.26 | Macer | unfortunately.. open software != open hardware |
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| 06:11.41 | Macer | blame china ;) |
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| 06:12.14 | rrm | I am trying to figure out the end of life support for deb6 and 7 since I want to bring some life into some old TP R51s |
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| 06:12.32 | Macer | if companies opened ip on their hardware china would be mass producing knockoffs by next morning |
| 06:13.16 | Macer | either that or opening it would somehow manage to conflict with the gpl |
| 06:13.17 | ivanshmakov | Macer: The specifications that’d allow for the hardware to be interfaced aren’t exactly those that are necessary to build replicas. |
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| 06:13.44 | Macer | im sure it helps tho |
| 06:13.59 | Macer | a chance hw manufacturers are unwilling to take |
| 06:14.04 | buu | ivanshmakov: wifi bandwidth? You realize the latest specs range from 600mbps to 1300mbps right? |
| 06:14.22 | Macer | those are unrealistic |
| 06:14.25 | buu | Also 100mbit is so 1990s =[ |
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| 06:14.45 | ivanshmakov | buu: Per æther, not per user. |
| 06:14.51 | Macer | have you ever even came close to 300-600mbit on something rated that? |
| 06:15.04 | buu | Macer: I'll let you know when my new router gets here =] |
| 06:15.11 | Macer | haha |
| 06:15.19 | dudleyi | You will not. |
| 06:15.27 | Macer | no. you wont. |
| 06:15.54 | buu | Macer: What's the highest you've seen? |
| 06:16.08 | Macer | 5MB/s |
| 06:16.12 | buu | ... |
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| 06:16.21 | ivanshmakov | buu: 100 Mbit/s switches are still available, at roughly a third of the similar 1 Gbit/s ones cost. So the choice is obvious, until and unless one has a few more users on the network. |
| 06:16.21 | Macer | maybe 7 on the dark side of the sun |
| 06:16.27 | buu | I can get more than on a $300 laptop |
| 06:16.42 | Macer | heh |
| 06:17.02 | Macer | that was on a 5GHz channel too |
| 06:17.19 | dudleyi | The difference between theoretical, and real world results, is large, buu. |
| 06:17.20 | Macer | i try to wire when i can |
| 06:17.27 | buu | Yeah I really need to fix my channel settings and reset my wireless network |
| 06:17.36 | buu | But I'm going to wait until my excessively fancy new router shows up |
| 06:17.39 | rrm | is debian 6 updates/support end in 2014? |
| 06:17.40 | Macer | wifi is really only good for low end stuff |
| 06:17.45 | dudleyi | What router did you buy? |
| 06:17.52 | buu | dudleyi: ac68u |
| 06:18.04 | ivanshmakov | rrm: I guess so. |
| 06:18.05 | Macer | any real production work requires a wire |
| 06:18.14 | ivanshmakov | Macer: Seconded. |
| 06:18.22 | buu | Macer: Granted I'm in a home setup here but I've become resolved to the idea that running wires everywhere sucks |
| 06:18.29 | buu | So I'd like to make my wifi notsuck |
| 06:18.41 | rrm | ivanshmakov: how about 7? |
| 06:18.43 | dudleyi | Wireless will always suck. That's a given. |
| 06:18.44 | Macer | buu: the trick is to run cat6 and have wall jacks in every room heh |
| 06:18.51 | buu | Macer: =[ |
| 06:19.06 | dudleyi | Bite the pill, and run wire. |
| 06:19.09 | buu | I'd need like 4 different jacks in this room alone |
| 06:19.15 | buu | Then I'd have to constantly plug and unplug |
| 06:19.17 | dudleyi | More secure, and less fuss, overtime. |
| 06:19.19 | Macer | wifi is only good for using facebook and streaming video to tablets |
| 06:19.23 | buu | And I'd still need wireless for wireless only devices |
| 06:19.48 | dudleyi | How much did you pay for that router? |
| 06:19.53 | buu | $220 |
| 06:19.54 | ivanshmakov | rrm: Late in 2016, or early in 2017, I guess. (Assuming a roughly two year release cycle.) |
| 06:19.57 | Macer | ouch! |
| 06:20.04 | Macer | that is a lot! |
| 06:20.06 | buu | yeah |
| 06:20.06 | dudleyi | Buu, take this in the nicest way possible. |
| 06:20.12 | dudleyi | You are retarded. |
| 06:20.14 | dudleyi | :| |
| 06:20.18 | buu | That wasn't very nice. |
| 06:20.26 | Macer | i just got a wrt610 off ebay for $15 lol |
| 06:20.29 | ivanshmakov | rrm: But please note that I’m currently running Debian 6 on K6-266. My guess is that Debian 7 would be running just fine on anything rated i686 or better. |
| 06:20.34 | dudleyi | shrugs. |
| 06:20.36 | buu | Macer: Maybe that's why you get 40mbps |
| 06:20.38 | buu | ! |
| 06:20.44 | Macer | i suppose |
| 06:20.55 | Macer | but i dont need more than that over wifi lol |
| 06:20.58 | buu | I do! |
| 06:21.00 | rrm | ivanshmakov: i will run it on a thinkpad r51 with p4 centrino and 512 ram |
| 06:21.03 | dudleyi | Serious note: return that router. |
| 06:21.11 | dudleyi | Run wire. |
| 06:21.13 | buu | no |
| 06:21.18 | buu | running wire really sucks. |
| 06:21.19 | dudleyi | Use your current router for wifi. |
| 06:21.26 | dudleyi | I know it sucks. |
| 06:21.33 | Macer | $200 for a wifi router is insane |
| 06:21.34 | dudleyi | I wire on every task I run. |
| 06:21.41 | buu | Macer: It was that or buying 4 copies of elspeth |
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| 06:21.52 | dudleyi | Doesn't mean spending $200+USD is worth the two hours of work. |
| 06:22.06 | buu | dudleyi: Plugging and unplugging 10+ times a day would drive me literally insane. |
| 06:22.13 | Macer | well. hope you get the speeds you are expecting |
| 06:22.31 | buu | I'm sure I won't get super exciting speeds, but its a fun toy |
| 06:22.43 | buu | And less expensive than a bmw |
| 06:22.46 | dudleyi | Do you get mad at your front door for not opening of it's own volition, as well? |
| 06:22.48 | buu | Yes |
| 06:22.56 | Macer | for $200 i would expect it warps spacetime to make pkts have less latency |
| 06:23.02 | buu | Do you have a solution for that also? |
| 06:23.02 | dudleyi | Very well. |
| 06:23.05 | buu | I'd pay $300 for that |
| 06:23.23 | buu | Dude, imagine how awesome it would be to have those sliding doors in your house |
| 06:23.30 | dudleyi | You're killing my brain cells. |
| 06:23.31 | Macer | lol |
| 06:23.32 | buu | Preferably with the startrek sound effect. |
| 06:23.47 | Macer | the quantum entanglement router |
| 06:23.51 | Macer | lol |
| 06:24.00 | ivanshmakov | rrm: That seems fine for Debian 7 per se. But the general advice is to avoid running “modern” graphical environments, and stick to something like Openbox or Awesome. And, surely, it may make sense to choose the other applications carefully. |
| 06:24.17 | buu | Macer: If I can get over 100mbit to my wireless-n devices with the new router and proper tweaking, I'll be perfectly happy |
| 06:24.21 | buu | If it does better than that, great |
| 06:24.40 | Macer | oh im sure. 100mbit over wifi is great |
| 06:25.15 | dudleyi | I find wifi to be more of a hassle, and security risk, than it's worth. |
| 06:25.23 | buu | Also most of the cheap wireless routers still have 100mbit ports =[ |
| 06:25.39 | rrm | ivanshmakov: that is the problem, i installed from net, with xorg/gnome/iceweasel and is slow |
| 06:25.45 | Macer | my $15 wrt610 has gbit |
| 06:25.50 | Macer | :) |
| 06:26.23 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: There’s no security risk as long as one uses TLS/SSL-enabled protocols. Which is a must these days (ever heard of NSA, I wonder?) whether one uses Wi-Fi, Ethernet, or SLIP. |
| 06:26.24 | Macer | i have a 24 port netgear switch tho |
| 06:26.37 | rrm | ivanshmakov: this computers used ubuntu 10.04 lts but that is not supported, and i want something that works for another 2-3 years |
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| 06:26.55 | Macer | ivanshmakov: sont most of those enciphered protocols use dsa? |
| 06:27.02 | Macer | or eas? |
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| 06:27.24 | dudleyi | Ivanshmakov: There is nothing secure about information that can be captured, without your knowledge. |
| 06:27.25 | Macer | both whose creation was funded by the govt heh |
| 06:27.30 | ivanshmakov | rrm: Have you tried to switch to Openbox? Also, dwb looks like a promising browser, although the Debian package seem to be broken. |
| 06:27.35 | dudleyi | Ever. |
| 06:27.54 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: As in: the information you send via your ISP? |
| 06:28.08 | buu | Macer: Cool =] |
| 06:28.13 | Macer | lets be honest. if you are serious enough to catch the eye of the nsa... nothing will save you haha |
| 06:28.29 | dudleyi | No. As in from client to wireless AP. |
| 06:28.30 | Macer | maybe if you make it to russia :) |
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| 06:28.34 | rrm | ivanshmakov: yeah, open box i fine, but this will be use by special ed kids to surf the web and such, and winxp with patches and broweser and symantech end point is dog shit, sorry my french |
| 06:28.40 | buu | wireless security uses aes I think |
| 06:28.52 | ivanshmakov | Macer: I already made it. So, I’d rather fear FSS than NSA. |
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| 06:29.27 | Macer | russia doesnt care about 1/4 the stuff the us govt does |
| 06:29.31 | buu | dudleyi: Do you really plug and unplug your laptop everywhere in your house? |
| 06:29.45 | ivanshmakov | Macer: But when it does, it does it badly. |
| 06:29.48 | Macer | im waiting for pod people to take over here |
| 06:29.51 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 06:30.02 | Macer | cold war mentality |
| 06:30.24 | dudleyi | Yes. The convenience of speed and security outweighs the convenience of "always on" net access. |
| 06:30.27 | Macer | snowden is probably living in the kremlin drinking brandy |
| 06:30.46 | dudleyi | I don't find it necessary to use my laptop on the stairwell, or on the toilet, for example. |
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| 06:30.57 | Macer | i do :-P |
| 06:31.01 | dudleyi | Two desks. The office, and bedroom. |
| 06:31.11 | buu | I'd be pretty pissed if my laptop stopped being connected when I walked up the stairs! |
| 06:31.12 | dudleyi | No fuss. No muss. |
| 06:31.16 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: My point is that if the information is sent unencrypted to the “outer Internet,” there usually is quite a few parties that can intercept it. |
| 06:31.26 | Macer | i have a ms surface tho |
| 06:31.32 | Macer | so im screwed by default |
| 06:31.43 | Macer | where is my debian for the surface rt? |
| 06:31.45 | Macer | :) |
| 06:31.58 | dudleyi | ivanshmakov: That's a fine point. I'm speaking on the information going from Laptop to Wireless Router. |
| 06:32.03 | buu | Macer: How do you like it? |
| 06:32.09 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: And with HTTPS, it doesn’t really matter whether it’s Wi-Fi or avian carriers. |
| 06:32.09 | Macer | it is awesome tbh |
| 06:32.23 | dudleyi | With each protocol that comes out, wifi signals go through thicker surfaces, for farther distances. |
| 06:32.23 | buu | dudleyi: What kind of secure information do you have going from laptop to wireless that isn't then going to isp? |
| 06:32.25 | Macer | but i feel like gates is watching me all the time |
| 06:32.28 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: The question is, where the information goes after the router? |
| 06:32.32 | dudleyi | Able to be captured. |
| 06:32.35 | buu | Macer: They keyboard isn't awful? |
| 06:32.50 | dudleyi | Buu: I am part of the GVT |
| 06:32.50 | Macer | the touch kb takes some getting used to but not too bad |
| 06:32.59 | Macer | i want to install linux on it tho |
| 06:33.11 | Macer | surface rt would be a beast |
| 06:33.29 | Macer | there really isnt a viable linux alternative to a tablet |
| 06:33.33 | buu | Macer: I just installed linux on my ultrabook and now all the fonts are ugly =[ |
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| 06:33.46 | Macer | unless you use some mer hackery |
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| 06:34.13 | Macer | without large corperate support you dont see great linux things heh |
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| 06:34.41 | Macer | other than a few easter eggs of the times of yore... most awesome linux stuff has co backing |
| 06:35.09 | Macer | most of the stuff you use nowadays is ancient in linux witha pretty face put on it :) |
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| 06:35.24 | Macer | points to the ircd people are using now |
| 06:35.32 | Macer | circa 1980s |
| 06:35.56 | dudleyi | There's a level of security most do not even think about. |
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| 06:36.19 | dudleyi | The very fact that your information can be captured, over air, and be understood at a later date, is a problem. |
| 06:36.46 | ak5 | I think most security experts are aware of the fact that wifi is a securityrisk period |
| 06:37.05 | Macer | ak5: the cattle dont care ;) |
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| 06:37.19 | ak5 | Macer: they never did. What changed? |
| 06:37.23 | buu | I'm fairly confident that I don't have any data going of the air that's more valuable than the data going to my isp |
| 06:37.26 | Macer | lol |
| 06:37.30 | Macer | nothing |
| 06:37.32 | buu | *over the |
| 06:37.55 | Macer | that is a fair point buu |
| 06:38.06 | Macer | but the wifi is a bit more localized |
| 06:38.18 | ak5 | you are also probably not on a corporate intranet |
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| 06:38.27 | buu | I'm explicitly discussing home usage here! |
| 06:38.48 | ak5 | use wifi, no one cares about your pr0n folder |
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| 06:40.02 | buu | ak5: That was my argument yes |
| 06:40.15 | ak5 | then we agree :) |
| 06:40.32 | buu | ak5: What's the fastest you've ever seen a wireless connection go? |
| 06:40.35 | buu | In person, as it were. |
| 06:41.46 | ak5 | buu: idk 80mb/s? |
| 06:41.57 | ak5 | I don't really benchmark wifi |
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| 06:42.10 | ak5 | its slower than my gb ethernet |
| 06:42.13 | postmodern | just installed a debian chroot using debootstrap, however some applications are returning SSL errors? |
| 06:42.14 | ak5 | thats for sure |
| 06:42.16 | buu | heh |
| 06:43.15 | postmodern | odd, running apt-get install ca-certificates again seems to have fixed it |
| 06:45.18 | dudleyi | Data going over air is more vulnerable than data going to your ISP. |
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| 06:45.37 | dudleyi | Someone splicing fibre or cat5 is less likely |
| 06:45.47 | dudleyi | than a random person war driving around the city. |
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| 07:07.20 | titoo | hi there, I just installed debian 7.1 and i have an error saysing GLIBC-2.4 not found (required by /bin/sh) .... what should i do ? thanks |
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| 07:10.53 | andkore | If I want more bleeding edge versions of packages, is my only choice to use Ubuntu instead of Debian? |
| 07:11.10 | andkore | even testing/experimental can be slow |
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| 07:11.22 | Index | hehe |
| 07:11.23 | Index | hacker |
| 07:11.26 | Index | ina |
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| 07:16.07 | linux-fox | what i bleeding edge version? |
| 07:16.16 | dudleyi | If you want a bleed distro, use Fedora. |
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| 07:16.34 | dudleyi | Or Gentoo, and compile applications, yourself. |
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| 07:19.22 | somiaj | linux-fox: you can also compile your own local versions on debian in lost of cases. (Provided you only want a few bleeding edge prgorams). |
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| 07:19.59 | linux-fox | somiaj:thank you |
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| 07:20.01 | peterrooney | or, do the smart thing and say "bleeding edge is not reliable" |
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| 07:24.19 | gebi | hi all :) |
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| 07:25.01 | gebi | any idea's how a debian wheezy installed from iso could end up with a mis-aligned disk starting at sector 63? (thought wheezy aligns at 4k)? |
| 07:26.07 | titoo | hi there, I just installed debian 7.1 and i have an error saysing GLIBC-2.4 not found (required by /bin/sh) .... what should i do ? thanks |
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| 07:27.06 | Index | k |
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| 07:28.56 | somiaj | titoo: when did this happen. That is a fairly grave error, either you are missing your core libc6 libary (Bad) or your linker isn't finding it. |
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| 07:29.32 | titoo | basically i am trying to compile something... it is when i run the CONFIGURE |
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| 07:30.36 | somiaj | titoo: oh so your system is working fine, the ./configure isn't working |
| 07:30.44 | somiaj | titoo: apt-get install build-essential |
| 07:30.52 | titoo | ah ok thanks |
| 07:31.12 | titoo | I am trying to compile somthing for a synology server - cross compile |
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| 07:33.47 | titoo | somiaj: I just did what you said but i alrady have the latest version |
| 07:34.20 | somiaj | titoo: what do you mean by cross compile? Is it the same archeticture on both machines? |
| 07:34.34 | titoo | somiaj: no |
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| 07:35.02 | titoo | one is a synology server but i am trying to do the compile on debian using the tool chain given by synology |
| 07:35.09 | somiaj | this requiers a lot of work, have you set up a cross complier? This is outta my knowlege on how to compile a binary for a forign arch |
| 07:35.16 | monoglets | I have pop, smtp, imap problems when I try to connect, here my mail.log http://paste.debian.net/52371/ someone help? |
| 07:35.34 | titoo | somiaj: thanks for your help ... |
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| 07:40.30 | monoglets | someone experienced with email server could gentle help me? |
| 07:40.54 | drybjed | monoglets: shoot |
| 07:41.40 | monoglets | drybjed, targeted |
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| 07:42.07 | drybjed | monoglets: don't ask if you can ask, just ask :) |
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| 07:43.00 | monoglets | I thought u could help |
| 07:43.07 | monoglets | drybjed, |
| 07:43.18 | drybjed | monoglets: maybe I can, I don't know with what yet |
| 07:43.21 | monoglets | saw my issue? |
| 07:43.27 | drybjed | ah, moment |
| 07:43.39 | monoglets | pop login failed |
| 07:44.20 | drybjed | monoglets: show me your main.cf and master.cf |
| 07:44.51 | drybjed | monoglets: you probably have mistake in file path somewhere |
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| 07:46.00 | monoglets | drybjed, main http://paste.debian.net/52389/ |
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| 07:46.41 | monoglets | the master is default |
| 07:46.46 | monoglets | I changed nothins |
| 07:46.47 | drybjed | monoglets: mynetworks = /32 127.0.0.1/32 |
| 07:46.58 | drybjed | remove first /32 |
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| 07:47.17 | monoglets | ok |
| 07:47.24 | Guest44943 | all, i have a problem booting into wheezy. intel board isn't detecting the hard drive as bootable for some reason and immediately goes into network boot. note: windows installs normally on it and boots |
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| 07:48.14 | monoglets | drybjed, nothing yet friend |
| 07:48.17 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: The NSA having a tap at the ISP side is not all that unlikely. And as for the “understood at a later date” point, be sure to check that perfect forward secrecy concept. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_forward_secrecy |
| 07:48.44 | drybjed | monoglets: so does it work? |
| 07:48.50 | monoglets | no, same problem |
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| 07:49.27 | dudleyi | ivanshmakov: See, you're concerned with NSA. They are not the only firm with hands in the cookie jar. |
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| 07:49.59 | dudleyi | It could be Joe Shmoe, who wants to peek at (un)encrypted streams. |
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| 07:50.09 | drybjed | monoglets: set: 'mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8' |
| 07:50.12 | hefest | hello, im having hard time deleting xserver-xorg-video-nvidia package |
| 07:50.24 | dudleyi | It's not about who has it at ISP. |
| 07:50.28 | hefest | subprocess installed post-removal script returned exit status 20 |
| 07:50.36 | dudleyi | It's about who has it from Client to Wireless AP. |
| 07:50.48 | hefest | apt-get remove/purge, dpkg -P getting the same error |
| 07:50.51 | dudleyi | You can VPN over commercial ISP, and feel pretty good about it. |
| 07:51.05 | hefest | any ideas? |
| 07:51.25 | ElGrotto | hiyas.. probably an easy one here :D.. I've been using debian testing for many years, and have pointed at testing and testing-updates for the updated packages.. since wheezy launched a few months ago, testing-updates has gone.. is that a permanant disappearance with jessie, or will it eventually return? |
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| 07:53.01 | monoglets | drybjed, not solved |
| 07:53.09 | drybjed | monoglets: show current log |
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| 07:53.26 | hefest | anyone? really? |
| 07:54.03 | drybjed | hefest: what we need to know is couple of lines higher of that error message, paste complete output if you can |
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| 07:55.03 | hefest | drybjed: ok, i need to get gpm first, just a second |
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| 07:55.52 | seckin | hi |
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| 07:56.50 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Or I can run TLS/SSL over Wi-Fi, to the same effect. |
| 07:57.16 | dudleyi | Again. |
| 07:57.19 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Except for the traffic analysis, that’s going to be pretty secure. |
| 07:57.46 | dudleyi | How sure are you that no one is capturing your traffic over wifi, as opposed to CAT5? |
| 07:58.18 | dudleyi | "More," "about the same," or "less"? |
| 07:58.19 | seckin | how can i start debian only busybox? |
| 07:58.20 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Again, I do not care if anyone’s capturing my traffic as long as I’m using TLS/SSL. |
| 07:58.21 | monoglets | drybjed, http://paste.debian.net/52391/ |
| 07:58.45 | Guest44943 | Facing a problem with intel board not detecting debian on hard drive. anyone faced such an issue or have a hint on how to debug this ? |
| 07:58.46 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Could you please elaborate on an attack scheme, which is much more likely on Wi-Fi than on Ethernet or ISP? Assuming TLS/SSL, of course. |
| 07:58.48 | hefest | drybjed: http://www.pastebin.ca/2463456 |
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| 07:59.19 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: And when I do care about traffic analysis, I switch to Tor. |
| 07:59.36 | dudleyi | Spoofing. |
| 07:59.37 | drybjed | monoglets: login failed, are you sure you specify correct login/password? |
| 07:59.44 | ivanshmakov | drybjed: Details? |
| 07:59.46 | dudleyi | Man-in-the-middle. |
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| 08:00.08 | drybjed | ivanshmakov: -> dudleyi |
| 08:00.20 | dudleyi | The very idea that your data is captured is bad, because they can tell who you're going towards. |
| 08:00.29 | dudleyi | Who's to say they are completely secure as well? |
| 08:00.29 | ivanshmakov | drybjed: Indeed, sorry. |
| 08:00.38 | monoglets | yes I am.. drybjed |
| 08:00.49 | hefest | drybjed: got it? |
| 08:00.54 | monoglets | I thought maybe database problem |
| 08:00.56 | dudleyi | I have to go, but just realize, I have a different viewpoint than yours, as you do I. |
| 08:01.05 | monoglets | what u think drybjed |
| 08:01.06 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: MBR or GPT? |
| 08:01.10 | dudleyi | I work for the military, so wifi, is an alarm word for me. |
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| 08:01.37 | monoglets | is it possible to have more detailed postfix logs? |
| 08:01.38 | drybjed | monoglets: you could enable debugging for localhost and see exactly what postfix is doing |
| 08:01.52 | dudleyi | Last thing I want is China, while routinely probing our network, to actually find something, because they recognize an WP, by model name. |
| 08:01.56 | drybjed | monoglets: put in main.cf: debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:02.10 | dudleyi | Pay the right person, and information, goes live. |
| 08:02.16 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Nothing is completely secure, and all the transit network your traffic is going through are not an exception. |
| 08:02.17 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: i'm assuming MBR (if you could tell me how to check.. i can do so ) |
| 08:02.48 | dudleyi | The idea is, a condom is 97% effective. |
| 08:02.52 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Do you have access to command line? What’s the output for # parted /dev/sdX unit mib print |
| 08:03.07 | dudleyi | But just because it's 3% vulnerable, does that make not using it, justifiable? |
| 08:03.30 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: FTR, MitM is impossible on TLS/SSL. Human factor put aside, that is. |
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| 08:03.36 | hefest | damn im stuck |
| 08:03.44 | hefest | cant believe package cant be removed |
| 08:03.48 | hefest | any way |
| 08:04.03 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Could you please provide an example of a technology that is exactly 0% vulnerable? |
| 08:04.03 | drybjed | hefest: it's a shoot in the dark, but maybe because you don't have an alternative, dpkg refuses to uninstall it, try installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 08:04.17 | monoglets | where will be debug logs? drybjed |
| 08:04.19 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: i cannot boot into linux. to get to terminal |
| 08:04.22 | dudleyi | Pen and paper. |
| 08:04.32 | hefest | drybjed: its already installed |
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| 08:04.38 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: I’d suggest booting from a Live media. |
| 08:05.01 | drybjed | hefest: then you have to check what post-removal script is doing and why it returns error 20 |
| 08:05.02 | hefest | drybjed: im trying to install nvidia.run from nvidia site, latest version |
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| 08:05.11 | hefest | drybjed: where is post-removal script? |
| 08:05.20 | drybjed | monoglets: in /var/log/mail.log |
| 08:05.22 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Or connect the drive to another machine running GNU/Linux. |
| 08:05.28 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: No ideas beside that, alas. |
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| 08:05.41 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: using debian net isntall, i issued ctrl alt f2. now i'm on a cli |
| 08:05.58 | hefest | drybjed: /var/lib/dpkg/info, found it. .postrm file i guess. |
| 08:06.01 | dudleyi | ivanshmakov: I have to go now, but believe when I say, wifi is like letting a stack of papers blow off a cliff |
| 08:06.02 | monoglets | nothing different from what I have drybjed |
| 08:06.03 | drybjed | hefest: yes |
| 08:06.06 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Does it have the # parted command? |
| 08:06.21 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: correct |
| 08:06.28 | dudleyi | thinking that it's safe because it's written in a language not everyone understands. |
| 08:06.39 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: I have to agree with you, as long as your papers are unencrypted. Which mine are not. |
| 08:06.50 | hefest | drybjed: doesnt do much looks like |
| 08:06.56 | dudleyi | Your encryption means nothing. |
| 08:07.08 | monoglets | do you wanna see what I folloed to configure? drybjed |
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| 08:07.15 | dudleyi | From the get go, it means nothing. |
| 08:07.22 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: The papers written with a pen may also be stolen and read by a third party. |
| 08:07.27 | dudleyi | Exactly |
| 08:07.42 | dudleyi | So, that's what I mean with wifi. |
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| 08:07.44 | drybjed | hefest: you could try forcing 'exit 0' and see what happens, but that might mess up your system |
| 08:07.46 | dudleyi | Out. |
| 08:07.46 | monoglets | drybjed: it's here http://www.dheykson.com.br/?p=21 |
| 08:07.49 | drybjed | monoglets: sure |
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| 08:07.54 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Which means that pen and paper are vulnerable. |
| 08:08.13 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Are there any sd* files under /dev/? |
| 08:08.24 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: sda, sda1 sda2 |
| 08:08.26 | ivanshmakov | dudleyi: Encryption is the only safe way to go. |
| 08:08.48 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: What’s the result of # parted /dev/sda unit mib print ? |
| 08:09.09 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: parted not found |
| 08:09.23 | drybjed | monoglets: looks ok at first glance, have you enabled debug_peer_list? what value exactly? also show me logs |
| 08:09.28 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: # sfdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 08:10.00 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: bin/sh: fdisk not found |
| 08:10.24 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Is that fdisk or sfdisk? |
| 08:10.27 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: im downloading ubuntu live cd. i'll boot and get the output of parted into pastepin |
| 08:10.30 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: tried both |
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| 08:10.55 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Either Debian or Ubuntu live media may be a better tool for the task, indeed. |
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| 08:11.39 | monoglets | drybjed, yes I did http://paste.debian.net/52399/ |
| 08:12.51 | monoglets | did u look to database config ? drybjed |
| 08:13.27 | drybjed | monoglets: brb, work |
| 08:13.38 | monoglets | ok |
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| 08:14.20 | hefest | drybjed: ok, so looks like nvidia-support package group have to be removed instead of one package itself |
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| 08:14.27 | hefest | drybjed: what a sick way to hide that from user |
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| 08:16.29 | hefest | drybjed: no, still failing to remove the freaking package |
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| 08:18.16 | drybjed | hefest: talk to the package maintainer :-) |
| 08:18.45 | drybjed | hefest: it's wheezy? |
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| 08:19.27 | sckn | how can fast boot on debiab? |
| 08:19.40 | drybjed | sckn: fast boot meaning? |
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| 08:21.43 | drybjed | monoglets: database config in postfix looks ok to me... for testing you could comment it out and try using system accounts to check if SMTP works. also I believe to use virtual accounts you need an SASL auth manager, like dovecot or courier |
| 08:22.05 | sckn | drybjed : debian opening 21 seconds. It long time. |
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| 08:22.23 | drybjed | sckn: how many times an hour do you reboot? |
| 08:23.09 | hefest | drybjed: no, jessie |
| 08:23.37 | Iridos | dpkg, tell hefest about postrm |
| 08:23.39 | hefest | drybjed: looks like serious mess, .run file is executing /usr/lib/nvidia/pre-install which just exits, so i cant install nvidia binary driver too |
| 08:23.44 | drybjed | monoglets: look ere: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html |
| 08:23.55 | linux-fox | which software is the replacement for mysql ? it is developed by original mysql team. |
| 08:24.23 | hefest | Iridos: thanks, i did put return 0 at the beginning of the postrm file |
| 08:24.27 | Iridos | hefest, it's generally useful if it's possible to find the error in the postrm script... than just null it |
| 08:24.35 | sckn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:25.16 | Iridos | hefest, some packages fail e.g. if the server isn't started... it tries to stop it, fails and then cannot be uninstalled (and this would warrant a bug report IMO) |
| 08:25.16 | drybjed | sckn: do you have ssd? |
| 08:26.17 | sckn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:35.24 | sckn | hi again |
| 08:35.29 | hefest | drybjed: Iridos thanks |
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| 08:37.04 | vsum | hello all |
| 08:37.07 | sckn | drybjed: Do you have any idea |
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| 08:43.02 | drybjed | sckn: do you use net install? |
| 08:43.08 | drybjed | sckn: just base system? |
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| 08:44.18 | drybjed | sckn: I guess, if you want really fast, you could recompile packages on your architecture, or try with gentoo... I don't have any experience with mini boards like yours, sorry |
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| 08:45.25 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: i booted into ubuntu live cd |
| 08:45.37 | sckn | drybjed : thank u so much. |
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| 08:48.07 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: Does # parted /dev/sda unit mib print works there? |
| 08:49.36 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: testing, (rebooting now) |
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| 08:49.53 | ws2k3 | Hello i have some kind of weird issue my disk shows total 0 inodes anyone know how this is possible? |
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| 08:50.11 | ivanshmakov | ws2k3: What filesystem is used? |
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| 08:50.28 | ivanshmakov | ws2k3: What’s the respective /proc/mounts line? |
| 08:50.55 | ws2k3 | ivan how can i find out the filesystem? |
| 08:51.30 | ivanshmakov | The /proc/mounts file should have a line describing the filesystem and its options. |
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| 08:52.12 | ws2k3 | i think its this line : /dev/disk/by-uuid/a4696883-c041-43a3-af14-afc402de7475 / reiserfs rw,relatime,notail 0 0 |
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| 08:54.54 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: this is interesting. ubuntu gets installed normally and actually survives boot |
| 08:54.56 | ivanshmakov | ws2k3: I guess it may be an issue specific to ReiserFS. Alas, I don’t know the specific tools (fsck, etc.) used with it. (And there doesn’t seem to be a dedicated #reiserfs channel on Freenode, either.) |
| 08:55.29 | ws2k3 | reiserfs channel is emty :) |
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| 08:56.18 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: My best guess is that Debian somehow fails to mark the “disk” as bootable. I believe I’ve seen something like that on one or more Intel motherboards. |
| 08:56.43 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: if i set it the flag manually to bootable, do you think could work ? |
| 08:56.56 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: I guess so. |
| 08:57.31 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: i'll revert to debian 7 and try installing again |
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| 08:58.04 | ivanshmakov | ws2k3: I guess the way to go would be to check the documentation for the ReiserFS debugging tools (like dumpe2fs(8) for Ext2+.) The issue is probably specific to the filesystem in use. |
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| 08:59.16 | ivanshmakov | ws2k3: Did it turn to this state spontaneously? What’s in the kernel logs? (As in: $ dmesg | less.) |
| 08:59.59 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: should i create /boot #set it as bootable and / #as none bootable. or should i just use the whole root drive with bootable flag |
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| 09:02.42 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: To be on the safe side, I’d create a small (256 MiB to 512 MiB) /boot filesystem (preferably near the beginning of the disk), even though it shouldn’t be at all necessary on the recent (as in: made after 2000) hardware. |
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| 09:03.00 | Guest44943 | ivanshmakov: you're right. thank you for the advice and help.. |
| 09:03.02 | titoo | HI there, i just did my first cross compilation following a tutorial... i just finished with a MAKE and it seems to be OK. not sure. What comes from a MAKE if it is OK? because nothing is clear |
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| 09:03.30 | ivanshmakov | titoo: The binaries. |
| 09:03.54 | titoo | but nothing from the terminal right? |
| 09:04.00 | titoo | thanks by the way ivan |
| 09:04.33 | ivanshmakov | Guest44943: On the other hand, if the hardware is too recent (as in: made after 2011), it may require the use of EFI, GPT, etc. Which, even being possible, may take some effort to configure in Debian. |
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| 09:05.52 | ivanshmakov | titoo: It depends on the build system used for the project being built. The first thing to check is for any occurence of the word “Error” (case-insensitive) in the Make output. |
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| 09:06.47 | ivanshmakov | titoo: In order to be able to check the whole output, I’m always redirecting it to a file, as in: $ LC_ALL=C nohup /usr/bin/time make &. |
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| 09:08.25 | titoo | ivan, there are no errors in the terminal... should be OK then... thanks. But where is the result of the MAKE? |
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| 09:10.22 | ivanshmakov | titoo: Again, it depends on the build system in use. Most often, to copy the files built into an “install arrangement,” a command such as $ LC_ALL=C nohup /usr/bin/time make DESTDIR="$PWD"/dist install could be used. Then, the files built would be under dist/. |
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| 09:24.23 | martin-_- | hi, how can i activate mono-runtime in iceweasel? |
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| 09:36.46 | cob_ | hello, having trouble with Steam launching, keep getting error OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering |
| 09:37.18 | reavengrey | That means you don't have acceleration working on your GFX card |
| 09:37.25 | reavengrey | Try |
| 09:37.31 | cob_ | ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo says libGL.so.1 is pointed at /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
| 09:37.32 | reavengrey | glxinfo | grep OpenGL |
| 09:38.16 | reavengrey | Yes, your libGL could be perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean that when you call into it, it's calling down to a graphics card whose driver has acceleration |
| 09:38.28 | cob_ | http://pastebin.com/TeZRHDQr there's the output |
| 09:38.50 | cob_ | not sure why it's trying to load swrast |
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| 09:39.45 | reavengrey | Kk, that's odd, it says your renderer is your GeForce card's driver |
| 09:40.21 | reavengrey | Well, I can't help beyond this -- I'd thought your problem was badly installed/loaded drivers |
| 09:40.31 | cob_ | thanks for trying anyway! |
| 09:40.56 | reavengrey | Np, you can actually try the LIBGL_DEBUG variable they recommended and see what output you get |
| 09:41.08 | cob_ | do you know how to pass that to glxinfo? |
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| 09:41.24 | reavengrey | You get that message when opening steam or glxinfo? |
| 09:41.34 | cob_ | glxinfo |
| 09:41.54 | reavengrey | LIBGL_DEBUG='verbose' glxinfo | grep OpenGL |
| 09:42.10 | reavengrey | Be sure the variable comes first, before the command |
| 09:42.26 | reavengrey | and no spaces around the = sign |
| 09:43.45 | cob_ | pretty much the same info but let me paste it |
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| 09:44.49 | cob_ | http://pastebin.com/1DyB3GdC |
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| 09:47.01 | reavengrey | Kk, Xorg is saying that screen 0 doesn't have DRI enabled |
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| 09:47.29 | reavengrey | But it's 100% a fact that your card has the right driver, or so it seems |
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| 09:48.09 | cob_ | hm |
| 09:48.12 | reavengrey | My first approach would be to tell xorg how to set up my screen correctly |
| 09:48.24 | reavengrey | But that differs from card to card /driver to driver |
| 09:48.39 | reavengrey | With for example, my ATI card, I run "aticonfig --initial" |
| 09:48.56 | reavengrey | And it creates a config file for me, /etc/xorg.conf |
| 09:49.19 | reavengrey | You want to find out what utility command your Nvidia drivers come with that generates an xorg.conf |
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| 09:50.04 | cob_ | ok, I may lose you but I'll be back, restarting X with DRI enabled |
| 09:50.12 | reavengrey | http://codepad.org/ahsXik9a |
| 09:50.25 | reavengrey | That program will create a conf with information like that ^ |
| 09:50.34 | reavengrey | Telling xorg how to handle your card |
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| 09:50.49 | reavengrey | gl |
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| 09:50.54 | cob_ | yeah I think there is a similar utility but this is my first nvidia card on linux, normally use radeon/fglrx |
| 09:51.00 | cob_ | will see though! |
| 09:51.09 | mjt | i'm trying to send audio from my linux computer to my android phone. I created an alsa "device" named bt of type bluetooth, and now trying to play stuff with `aplay -D bt'. But aplay tries to connect to @"/org/bluez/audio" (abstract) unix socket, which is not listening. Who is at fault here - alsa which connect to wrong socket or bluez which does not provide the correct socket? |
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| 09:51.53 | mjt | (debian wheezy) |
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| 09:54.32 | fosstux | Hi! I have a problem: On my server I had 2 hdds with 3 TB installed for data. The first disk failed some time ago, the 2nd continued working. |
| 09:55.07 | rozie | let me guess. second failed |
| 09:55.09 | fosstux | I then connected the two hdds on another computer - I wanted to see the data... but that failed. |
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| 09:56.16 | fosstux | rozie,no, the 2nd says critical when booting up the RAID controller. |
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| 09:56.37 | fosstux | Now my question: Is it possible to recover the data? |
| 09:57.07 | jelly | probably yes, contact a professional recovery service |
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| 09:58.22 | jelly | some hardware raid controllers refuse to deal with disks they detect are part of a foreign array |
| 09:58.22 | fosstux | is there nothing I can do myself? |
| 09:58.38 | jelly | fosstux: how much is your data worth? $100? $1000? |
| 09:58.54 | fosstux | can't tell |
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| 10:00.19 | cob_ | no luck with nvidia-xconfig, it created an xorg.conf but no change |
| 10:01.02 | jelly | fosstux: if it's less than $100, forget about it, you've learned your lesson |
| 10:01.30 | reavengrey | K, well, I don't think there's much I can do to help then |
| 10:02.08 | reavengrey | From here, if I were you, I'd look through /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:02.37 | reavengrey | That's the log Xorg creates on startup, and it'll tell you what Xorg is doing with the devices it finds, and which drivers it loads |
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| 10:02.47 | jelly | fosstux: the exact failure mode when you "wanted to see the data" and the way "critical" looks like would be useful to someone knowing about your particular hw raid controller. |
| 10:02.52 | ChrisH | fosstux: HW Raid (= controller based raid) or md-raid? |
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| 10:04.03 | jelly | fosstux: what you can do is read the fine manual for that controller and/or contact the vendor |
| 10:04.03 | nevyn | or (eww) dm-raid |
| 10:04.53 | fosstux | thanks |
| 10:05.00 | onur | Hi. I have sid in chroot env. Some packages depends on linux-image. I don't want to install linux-image (it's useless in chroot). Disc space is matter for me. How can I avoid installing linux-image? |
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| 10:07.41 | jelly | onur: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 10:08.13 | jelly | onur: which packages are those btw? |
| 10:08.52 | onur | nvidia drivers |
| 10:08.56 | onur | and its kernel module |
| 10:09.31 | martin-_- | how can i activate moonlight on iceweasel? |
| 10:10.24 | onur | thanks jelly didn't know about equivs |
| 10:11.44 | jelly | onur: install nvidia-kernel-dkms instead? |
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| 10:14.13 | fosstux | Hi! What can happen If I insert a new hdd as disk 1 and sync the raid from the 2nd disk? |
| 10:15.37 | mjt | it really depends on the raid controller |
| 10:15.50 | mjt | all the "what if" "what can" etc |
| 10:16.11 | mjt | guess it comes with some manual that address these situations |
| 10:16.31 | colo-work | looking for a lightweight http caching proxy to cache .deb archives from debian mirrors; suggestions? |
| 10:16.36 | colo-work | (want to avoid squid if possible) |
| 10:16.48 | mjt | colo-work: how about approx? |
| 10:17.27 | colo-work | mjt, I just tried it and couldn't get it to work reliably; it kept botching upstream requests for Packages.*z for wheezy main due to unknown reasons. |
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| 10:17.33 | drybjed | colo-work: apt-cacher-ng |
| 10:17.34 | ChrisH | colo-work: I use apt-cacherng |
| 10:17.48 | colo-work | drybjed, ChrisH: that's what I'm migrating away from |
| 10:17.59 | ChrisH | colo-work: why? |
| 10:18.01 | drybjed | colo-work: can I ask why? |
| 10:18.02 | mjt | heh |
| 10:18.16 | mjt | i switched from apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng to approx :) |
| 10:18.17 | colo-work | because it crashes every few days |
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| 10:18.33 | drybjed | colo-work: anything in logs? |
| 10:18.57 | colo-work | drybjed, nothing intelligible |
| 10:19.16 | ChrisH | apt-cacher looped for me. I run 2-3 apt-cacher-ng instances with nearly no problems. sometime I need to delete debs and force them to be reloaded |
| 10:19.31 | colo-work | mjt, can you share your approx configuration for approx, maybe? |
| 10:19.45 | colo-work | s/for approx/for wheezy/ |
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| 10:20.01 | mjt | debianhttp://http.debian.net/debian |
| 10:20.05 | mjt | thats' all :) |
| 10:20.36 | mjt | deb http://apt-proxy:3142/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 10:20.50 | mjt | (this is a historical port, approx is running ther) |
| 10:20.57 | mjt | there* |
| 10:20.59 | monkwitdafunk | Colo-work. I am interested |
| 10:21.04 | colo-work | I figured. |
| 10:21.41 | colo-work | mjt, you don't cache security, apparently? |
| 10:21.47 | mjt | i do |
| 10:21.49 | mjt | debian-securityhttp://security.debian.org/debian-security |
| 10:22.00 | mjt | deb http://apt-proxy:3142/debian-security/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:22.22 | mjt | (there are some 200 machines behind this approx proxy) |
| 10:22.32 | rozie | apt-cacher-ng works for me very well |
| 10:23.05 | monkwitdafunk | Yeah. The debian users domain right? |
| 10:23.48 | mjt | approxy does have its set of issues. Main and very annoying issue is that sometimes it does not update Release file and Packages file in one go so that one of them becomes outdated and clients fail to verify checksum |
| 10:23.52 | rozie | mjt: why did you switch from apt-cacher-ng? |
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| 10:24.16 | monkwitdafunk | Oh |
| 10:24.42 | mjt | rozie: i don't remember anyore for sure, but i _think_ it was because it crashed too often |
| 10:24.46 | mjt | anymore |
| 10:24.52 | mjt | something's wrong with my typing today |
| 10:26.05 | rozie | "Approx can simplify the administration of client machines; repository locations need only be changed in approx's configuration file, not in every client's /etc/apt/sources.list file." |
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| 10:26.29 | rozie | so it looks like it's not like just cache |
| 10:26.32 | mjt | yes, that was one of the issues with apt-cacher[-ng] iirc |
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| 10:26.47 | mjt | it's cache + name translation |
| 10:26.52 | rozie | but central management is also required |
| 10:27.05 | rozie | that's why I gave up apt-proxy |
| 10:27.52 | ChrisH | The main thing I like at apt-cacher-ng is: I simply add it as proxy and thats all I need to change. |
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| 10:28.01 | rozie | exactly |
| 10:28.22 | rozie | and no matter what repository you add, it'll just will be cached |
| 10:28.51 | rozie | (oh, double will) |
| 10:28.52 | mjt | i had numerous issues with nearby mirrors being not up or not up-to-date, so had to switch mirrors often |
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| 10:29.15 | mjt | and at one point i become tired of reconfiguring the urls on all client |
| 10:29.24 | mjt | s |
| 10:29.25 | rozie | I use http.debian.net which seems to solve both this issues |
| 10:29.32 | mjt | yes, now i do too |
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| 10:32.24 | monkwitdafunk | I think the best support can be from one or three teachers that write for o reilly publishers maybe. Or even john wiley |
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| 10:33.03 | monkwitdafunk | One or two self help publications. Maybe three |
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| 10:43.22 | colo-work | mjt, that config should support squeeze and wheezy in parallel, right? |
| 10:43.43 | mjt | yup |
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| 10:44.04 | [jasper] | hello guys, I'm trying to install debian...but it's having a hard time detecting my networking device during setup |
| 10:44.08 | danlamanna | i'm having an issue with crunchbang, but it also occurs with just debian - no connection (wired or wireless) during install, any ideas? http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=336531#p336531 |
| 10:44.17 | danlamanna | i.e. - exactly what [jasper] just said :P |
| 10:44.26 | [jasper] | this is a intel ethernet controller device 153b |
| 10:44.45 | [jasper] | are there known issues with this device? |
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| 10:47.30 | babilen | [jasper]: You require firmware for that, are you providing that during the installation or are you using the "unofficial" image with firmware? |
| 10:48.25 | [jasper] | babilen, I require firmware for that? it's just the regular debian installer |
| 10:48.45 | [jasper] | and I'm not providing anything at the moment...I thought it might work with the ambihious e1000e driver.... |
| 10:48.54 | babilen | [jasper]: Ah, sorry that is not the case for the ethernet adaptor, but only for the wireless one. You shouldn't have a problem at all with that device. |
| 10:49.15 | [jasper] | hmm...well I am :) |
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| 10:49.47 | babilen | [jasper]: Which image are you using and do you see any actual errors on tty4 when you try to use it? How do you determine if it is working? |
| 10:50.07 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:1503 |
| 10:50.08 | judd | [8086:1503] is '82579V Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1503 |
| 10:51.14 | [jasper] | well the installer says it doesn't see the card babilen ....why should I even try to see if it works then? |
| 10:51.49 | babilen | Which image do you use? |
| 10:51.55 | babilen | (and what does it say exactly?) |
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| 10:52.15 | [jasper] | hw-detect: fatal i82365 not found. |
| 10:52.18 | [jasper] | that's in tty4 |
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| 10:52.53 | babilen | [jasper]: Which image do you use? |
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| 10:53.15 | [jasper] | babilen, I'm not using the stock debian issue...I'm using the open media vault installer.....which is basically a regular debian install with some extras |
| 10:54.03 | babilen | [jasper]: Ask them or try a *Debian* installer. We only support Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
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| 10:54.29 | tormen_ | hi. I have a question about gpg --send-keys. Here: https://wiki.debian.org/subkeys it says "At this point, you have a subkey, and you need to send it to the Debian keyserver" and then "gpg --send-key --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net YOURMASTERKEYID". Why do you use YOURMASTERKEYID and not YOUR_SUB_ID ? |
| 10:55.04 | [jasper] | just maybe one answer babilen ...could that pcmcia bridge drive module firmware missing be the problem? |
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| 10:55.50 | babilen | tormen_: IIRC gpg wants the master key id, but I am not entirely sure about that. |
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| 10:57.09 | tormen_ | I am just confused to why you create a subkey and publish the master key ... hmm ? |
| 10:57.12 | babilen | [jasper]: Don't think so, but please .. This channel if for Debian support only. |
| 10:57.33 | babilen | tormen_: The subkeys will be send too and are simply bound to the master key. |
| 10:57.35 | [jasper] | ok ok, I'll try the debian installer....but I will require some help then if it doesn't work ok? :) |
| 10:58.13 | tormen_ | babilen: ah ok, gpg --send-keys YOURMASTERID also sends the subkeys? |
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| 10:58.35 | babilen | [jasper]: Sure, it might also be interesting to see *if* it works with a standard Debian image. If it does them Open Media Vault must have messed something up and if it doesn't you are at least on-topic in here. fwiw, I *never* had problems with Intel NICs during the installation. |
| 10:58.53 | babilen | tormen_: yeah |
| 10:58.58 | [jasper] | babilen, it's actually part of the reason I chose this board.... |
| 10:59.05 | [jasper] | instead of the shitty other nic's |
| 10:59.08 | cob_ | new issues following attempts to remove nvidia drivers...I now have a half-install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia package and *cannot* get rid of it... |
| 10:59.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell [jasper] -about firmware image |
| 10:59.50 | tormen_ | babilen: ok. Thanks. Then that makes more sense :) |
| 10:59.55 | babilen | cob_: What exactly do you refer to by "nvidia drivers" in the first sentence? |
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| 11:00.11 | babilen | (and why do you want to remove them?) |
| 11:00.19 | cob_ | well, the xserver-xorg-video-nvidia package, I cannot get rid of it now, it's half-installed. |
| 11:01.00 | cob_ | I wanted to remove and reinstall everything video related as I switched from a radeon board to nvidia and things are not working right, no DRI even though it's specified in xorg.conf and all sorts of weirdness |
| 11:01.04 | babilen | You might want to provide additional information and, where appropriate, make use of http://paste.debian.net to show output and commands. |
| 11:01.35 | [jasper] | babilen, just tried the regular debian installl...same problem |
| 11:01.40 | [jasper] | I'll try the firmware version one now |
| 11:01.45 | babilen | cob_: First and foremost: What do you refer to by "nvidia drivers" ? Are you referring to the non-free nvidia driver or the free nouveau one? |
| 11:01.58 | cob_ | babilen: non-free |
| 11:02.28 | babilen | [jasper]: Are you sure that the card works? |
| 11:02.34 | cob_ | that's really not the issue right now though. xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is now half-installed and apt refuses to install or remove anything now |
| 11:02.51 | cob_ | I have tried forcing it through apt and dpkg to no avail |
| 11:02.55 | babilen | cob_: So, you installed the non-free driver in the past and want to remove it now? How did you install it? |
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| 11:03.06 | [jasper] | babilen, it's a brand new motherboard...I have no clue if the card works :P |
| 11:03.08 | babilen | cob_: Stop forcing, there is hardly ever the need for that. |
| 11:03.20 | [jasper] | I'm trying the firmware version one now |
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| 11:03.32 | babilen | [jasper]: Okay, just checking. I'd give some live CDs a try too (different distributions) |
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| 11:04.00 | babilen | [jasper]: I mean it could simply be a defective mainboard. I am not saying that it is, but at this point it is still an option. |
| 11:04.00 | cob_ | babilen: I'm not new to debian or linux in general |
| 11:04.14 | babilen | cob_: What does that have to do with anything? |
| 11:04.18 | cob_ | babilen: please stop being condescending. It's hardly ever useful. |
| 11:04.26 | babilen | sure |
| 11:04.58 | cob_ | anyway, again, it really doesn't matter why I want to do what I want to do, what matters is apt is choking on this half-installed package |
| 11:05.02 | babilen | It was honest advice. It is almost never needed. |
| 11:05.31 | [jasper] | I'm getting a lot of /dev/.udev/firmware-missing does not exist, skipping messages babilen |
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| 11:06.22 | babilen | cob_: That is not the case and I would at least like to know which driver you are trying to remove (how you installed the non-free driver), but it seems that you don't like the way I conduct support. |
| 11:07.17 | babilen | [jasper]: never seen that, but maybe it is a very convoluted way of saying "firmware found" :-D (nah, just kidding) |
| 11:07.27 | mjt | lol |
| 11:07.33 | [jasper] | well..it aint working...that's for sure |
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| 11:07.52 | babilen | [jasper]: You are sure that you are using the 7.1.0 installer aren't you? |
| 11:07.56 | cob_ | babilen: it was already explained to you that I am trying to remove the non-free driver. The one from the wheezy non-free repository. |
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| 11:08.11 | [jasper] | quite sure yes |
| 11:08.22 | babilen | cob_: Ah, the one from the wheezy repository! |
| 11:08.25 | [jasper] | firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:08.27 | [jasper] | using that one |
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| 11:09.21 | babilen | [jasper]: yeah, that's perfectly fine. I take it that the NIC is still not found. Is that true? I don't think you have lspci available and I would recommend trying a decent live CD at this point such as Debian Live or the excellent GRML. |
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| 11:09.37 | babilen | [jasper]: That way you can poke around a little bit with lspci, ethtool and whatnot. |
| 11:09.41 | cob_ | babilen: Yes! The one that is provided via the nvidia-driver metapackage. |
| 11:10.24 | babilen | cob_: A lot of people use the installer from the nvidia.com website, hence my question. |
| 11:10.39 | [jasper] | giving the installer one more try babilen ....I don't think the mobo is broken at this point...just because the debian installer fails to find it :P |
| 11:11.33 | mjt | Once upon a time i ran "msd.exe" program in ms-dos 5.something iirc. And it told me "Motherboard: not detected" |
| 11:11.47 | [jasper] | always the same problems with newer hardware :p |
| 11:12.48 | cob_ | babilen: this is all being done via apt to avoid any future tinkering to get a driver working again when the kernel is updated. |
| 11:12.54 | babilen | [jasper]: No sure, I am not saying that it is. But *something* is not working. I would boot a new live cd and gather, for example, the output of "lspci -n" and paste that to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ which should give a nice overview of hardware support differentiated by kernel versions. |
| 11:12.56 | cob_ | low maintenance |
| 11:13.18 | monkwitdafunk | Nvidia is pretty crazy for drivers. The highest class tv with.nvidia may change.your.viewing.experience |
| 11:13.24 | [jasper] | yeah I will do that.....after this last attempt |
| 11:13.50 | babilen | [jasper]: the copy and pasting might be, well, a bit tricky without a network connection though. |
| 11:13.51 | cob_ | uh, ok |
| 11:14.25 | monkwitdafunk | Yeah. Low maintenence is great |
| 11:14.44 | [jasper] | more then just a 'bit' babilen |
| 11:14.48 | [jasper] | it will be old style copy/paste :P |
| 11:15.09 | monkwitdafunk | I am trying to be the home.hobbist which is not always low.maintainence |
| 11:15.13 | babilen | [jasper]: Nah, you can at least redirect it to a file and copy it to a USB stick or something like that. |
| 11:15.51 | babilen | monkwitdafunk: I don't quite follow. Can we help you with something specific ? :) |
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| 11:16.06 | [jasper] | at the moment my whole usb stick is fscked up |
| 11:16.08 | [jasper] | need to fix that first :p |
| 11:16.47 | monkwitdafunk | The channel is great. I know of nvida with installation wizards |
| 11:18.56 | monkwitdafunk | Does john wiley have a debian OS book? i have to check it.out |
| 11:19.37 | babilen | monkwitdafunk: If you are looking for a place to chat please take it elsewhere such as #defocus or #debian-offtopic. |
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| 11:20.37 | babilen | cob_: I guess we would still have to see actual output and commands on http://paste.debian.net to be able to help you. I'll be back in a bit. Please include the commands that got you into this "mess" too. |
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| 11:22.45 | cob_ | I'm good now, thanks anyway...downloaded the package manually and installed it via dpkg again, back to a desktop but still no direct rendering. |
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| 11:26.37 | babilen | cob_: Okay, then paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log + configuration files you might use and so on. You might also want to take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for some easy installation and configuration steps. |
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| 11:31.56 | groundnuty_ | hey, I have a account on debian server. is there a way I can install packages on my account withotu having root? I used to make it with configure -prefix=.... but its pain when updating/removing... |
| 11:32.10 | [jasper] | ok babilen ....epic failures..with the debian installer...gonna try live cd now |
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| 11:34.48 | monkwitdafunk | I would do my best to get my hands on a good debian optical disc. That way you can install using basic IO |
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| 11:37.47 | monkwitdafunk | Babilen, what is the new debian installer? is it a dhcp server communication channel |
| 11:38.43 | monkwitdafunk | I do not know how to remote access but i will try if i get a netbook |
| 11:41.08 | groundnuty_ | just been banned from ubuntu for asking a question that had debian mentioned in it... |
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| 11:41.41 | mumpitzel | !tell monkwitdafunk about ssh install |
| 11:41.49 | drybjed | groundnuty_: as for the per-user deb packages, it doesn't work that way |
| 11:41.57 | themill | groundnuty_: that's not entirely true |
| 11:41.59 | drybjed | dpkg and APT is system-wide only |
| 11:41.59 | dpkg | ...but and apt is already something else... |
| 11:42.13 | mumpitzel | groundnuty_: you can't do that with dpkg. what you can do is extract the binaries from a package with dpkg -x |
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| 11:42.59 | themill | there are a lot of packages that won't work if only unpacked like that |
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| 11:44.34 | groundnuty_ | mumpitzel: ok, so there is no way to use debian pacakge managet to install stuff locally? |
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| 11:45.08 | drybjed | groundnuty_: short answer: no |
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| 11:47.08 | [jasper] | babilen, I'm in the live boot environment now |
| 11:47.29 | [jasper] | lspci shows ethernet controller: intel corporation ethernet connection i217-v (rev 05) |
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| 11:48.38 | groundnuty_ | drybjed: thank you :) |
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| 11:49.02 | jelly | monkwitdafunk: what is your native language? |
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| 11:51.06 | mumpitzel | [jasper]: lspci -nn which gives you the PCI ID, which is more useful |
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| 11:54.11 | [jasper] | am installing without network drivers mumpitzel |
| 11:54.15 | [jasper] | I'll just fix it later |
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| 11:54.53 | [jasper] | the intel e1000e driver should just work |
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| 12:06.39 | [jasper] | hmm nice...make isn't in default install.... |
| 12:07.19 | themill | sure. |
| 12:07.23 | mumpitzel | !tell [jasper] about build-essential |
| 12:08.11 | [jasper] | mumpitzel, not without a working ethernet card.. |
| 12:09.20 | [jasper] | thhmz, this is starting to piss me off :( |
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| 12:12.44 | [jasper] | mumpitzel, intel corporation ethernet connection I217-V [8086:153b] (rev 05) |
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| 12:14.34 | [jasper] | is there anybody here that can help me out a bit? |
| 12:14.43 | themill | yeah, so that needs a newer kernel than in wheezy (but I think you already knew that) |
| 12:14.44 | abrotman | with which part? |
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| 12:16.33 | [jasper] | themill, I actually didn't |
| 12:16.36 | [jasper] | what kernel does it need? |
| 12:17.13 | themill | The kernel from wheezy-backports appears to be ok |
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| 12:17.51 | [jasper] | so how do I get from the regular debian installer.....to get it working? |
| 12:17.57 | [jasper] | without an internet connection on the box? |
| 12:18.14 | themill | can you feed the machine packages on a usb stick? |
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| 12:18.50 | [jasper] | yes I can themill |
| 12:18.58 | [jasper] | I can plugin a usb stick |
| 12:19.07 | [jasper] | I installed wheezy....with the basic packages.... |
| 12:19.21 | [jasper] | like I did the mini cd installer...without networking connection |
| 12:20.24 | [jasper] | not the best way to do it...but I didn't see any other options |
| 12:20.40 | themill | http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch2.html |
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| 12:21.29 | themill | [jasper]: you either need to get apt to help you out with this task or manually download the packages you need from packages.debian.org |
| 12:21.35 | [jasper] | so I guess this aint gonna be easy themill |
| 12:22.49 | [jasper] | is there one big iso image available for install without internet connection themill? |
| 12:22.53 | [jasper] | instead of 5 different iso's |
| 12:23.10 | themill | they still won't have a new enough kernel |
| 12:23.28 | [jasper] | yeah I know,...but at least I will have build essentials and stuff |
| 12:23.31 | [jasper] | :/ |
| 12:23.42 | themill | that doesn't really help if you still don't have a working network card |
| 12:24.02 | [jasper] | themill, can't I just install the newest drivers for the device without adjusting the kernel? |
| 12:24.13 | [jasper] | I'm not very familiour with kernel stuff :/ |
| 12:24.31 | themill | go to packages.debian.org and doanload linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 (or -686-pae) and initramfs-tools for your architecture. Pop them on a usb stick and then install them with dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 12:26.22 | [jasper] | hmm themill no results for that first package |
| 12:26.27 | themill | (you may also need headers and firmware packages, we'll come to that in a bit) |
| 12:26.30 | Tobias| | Is there a way I can find the build options that were used when the nginx in Wheezy's repo was compiled? |
| 12:26.35 | themill | [jasper]: what architecture do you have |
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| 12:26.44 | themill | Tobias|: you need to look in the source package |
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| 12:27.04 | [jasper] | 64 bit |
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| 12:27.27 | NotJimCarrey | anyone have experience building ElectricSheep? |
| 12:27.34 | themill | [jasper]: I'm not sure where you were searching -- http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
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| 12:28.22 | jelly | NotJimCarrey: isn't it packaged already? |
| 12:28.30 | jelly | ,v electricsheep |
| 12:28.31 | judd | Package: electricsheep on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7~b12+svn20091224-1+b1; jessie: 2.7~b12+svn20091224-1.1; wheezy: 2.7~b12+svn20091224-1.1; sid: 2.7~b12+svn20091224-2 |
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| 12:28.41 | jelly | whoops, 2009 |
| 12:28.55 | NotJimCarrey | jelly: the packaged version in the repo is from 2009 |
| 12:29.07 | jelly | I see. |
| 12:29.17 | NotJimCarrey | need more coffee, I'm typing to slow |
| 12:29.18 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 12:29.32 | jelly | the maintainer is pulling a wine! |
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| 12:30.43 | NotJimCarrey | getting some deprication errors on ContentDecoder.h when I try building it |
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| 12:30.48 | [jasper] | themill, installing initramfs-tools would break console-setup |
| 12:30.51 | [jasper] | and is apparently not allowed |
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| 12:31.09 | themill | [jasper]: which version of the package did you download? |
| 12:31.09 | [jasper] | or do I nee dthat frfom the backport also? |
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| 12:31.29 | [jasper] | hmm, I was downloading it from the regular debian size...my bad |
| 12:31.30 | [jasper] | site |
| 12:32.11 | themill | ,v initramfs-tools --release wheezy-backports |
| 12:32.13 | judd | Package: initramfs-tools on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.113~bpo70+1 |
| 12:32.19 | themill | [jasper]: ^^ is the version you want |
| 12:32.36 | tekzilla | how to resize an ntfsclone-image in the special format ? restore to some kind of block device, resize filesystem, clone again ? |
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| 12:35.23 | NotJimCarrey | speaking of console setup, anyone know the correct way to get framebuffer tty working? |
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| 12:37.08 | mjt | framebuffer tty? correct way? when you load any kms video driver and fbcon module it is set up automatically. |
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| 12:42.56 | NotJimCarrey | er, um |
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| 12:44.48 | [jasper] | ok it's done themill |
| 12:44.55 | [jasper] | both packages installed |
| 12:45.24 | themill | [jasper]: excellent. I assume it generated a new initramfs etc for you when you installed them. |
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| 12:45.58 | [jasper] | it says generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:46.05 | NotJimCarrey | am i understanding correctly though not to use nvidiafb? |
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| 12:46.54 | [jasper] | and the other one generated a new grub.cfg apparently themill |
| 12:47.10 | NotJimCarrey | i can't even get a /dev/fb0 to populate |
| 12:47.16 | themill | [jasper]: excellent. You should be able to reboot into that new kernel and set up your network connection |
| 12:47.26 | [jasper] | let's try |
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| 12:47.42 | [jasper] | getting nasty smart errors in my bios also.. |
| 12:47.44 | themill | [jasper]: I hope it also said it was generating a /boot/initrd.img-3.10-something too |
| 12:47.49 | [jasper] | need to look at that next....brand new disks |
| 12:48.25 | [jasper] | wow |
| 12:48.29 | [jasper] | resolution increase :P |
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| 12:50.03 | [jasper] | themill it does say something about e1000e in my syslog now |
| 12:50.11 | [jasper] | but when I do ifconfig...I still don't see a eth0 |
| 12:50.30 | ksk | ,versions fuse |
| 12:50.31 | judd | Package: fuse on i386 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-2+deb7u1; jessie: 2.9.2-4; sid: 2.9.2-4; experimental: 2.9.3-3 |
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| 12:51.11 | themill | [jasper]: does "ifconfig -a" show it? |
| 12:51.34 | [jasper] | yes it does |
| 12:51.35 | [jasper] | niceeeee |
| 12:51.37 | [jasper] | thanks man |
| 12:51.54 | themill | dpkg, congratulate [jasper] |
| 12:51.54 | dpkg | Woohoo [jasper], you did it! |
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| 12:52.22 | themill | [jasper]: so you probably want to configure your network setup either in /etc/network/interfaces or with a tool like network-manager |
| 12:52.49 | NotJimCarrey | wow, ok, so figured out i was missing v86d, installed it, modprobe uvesafb, now my tty is a lot of green |
| 12:52.52 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 12:53.47 | jelly | NotJimCarrey: congratulations! You're fast on track of figuring out framebuffer console is a useless thing |
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| 12:53.54 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 12:54.03 | NotJimCarrey | better option for higher res tty? |
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| 12:54.35 | jelly | a full-screen maximized xterm window |
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| 12:55.29 | NotJimCarrey | other than that |
| 12:55.30 | [jasper] | themill I actually wanted to use open media vault...but I guess that goes overboard now :( |
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| 12:55.55 | [jasper] | themill, is there any way to restore the netinstall now? as if I did the install with the networking card working? |
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| 12:56.33 | ampw | does debian give troubles mounting external HDD? |
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| 12:56.51 | themill | [jasper]: well there's nothing really wrong with the installation -- but you can now get it to install more things by running "tasksel" -- after you've set up your network config, of course |
| 12:57.16 | abrotman | ampw: not for me |
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| 12:57.27 | ampw | abrotman: you;re right |
| 12:57.38 | abrotman | I am |
| 12:57.39 | ampw | abrotman: i had problems before, how do i unmount safely |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | ampw: depends how you mounted it |
| 12:57.58 | ampw | abrotman: last time i unmounted and i pulled then it wouldnt work lol |
| 12:58.05 | ampw | i didnt unmount i mean |
| 12:58.17 | ampw | ok i see. |
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| 12:58.33 | [jasper] | themill, yeah I got networking working with dhcp..just added auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:58.34 | toni_ | how do i report a bug (which severity) that only sometimes result in a security problem? |
| 12:58.34 | themill | yeah well, any operating system is going to lose data for you if you do that |
| 12:58.47 | ampw | thats terrifying |
| 12:59.05 | abrotman | toni_: reportbug |
| 12:59.18 | themill | ampw: umm... if the data hasn't been copied to the disk yet, it hasn't been copied to the disk yet. That's pretty operating system independent. |
| 12:59.19 | ampw | guys like GNOME? |
| 12:59.32 | [jasper] | btw themill ....shouldn't tasksel command show me some screen? |
| 12:59.38 | abrotman | ampw: you right click on the disk, and choose eject or unmount |
| 12:59.43 | themill | [jasper]: yes |
| 12:59.52 | [jasper] | it doesn't really... |
| 12:59.53 | toni_ | abrotman: of course, but which severity do i pick? "important", "serious", or even higher? |
| 13:00.03 | themill | [jasper]: what does it do? |
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| 13:00.17 | [jasper] | when I type tasksel....it just appears to be loading for 1/2 seconds |
| 13:00.18 | ampw | abrotman: thanks. |
| 13:00.25 | [jasper] | and then next line appears in prompt |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | toni_: pick the one you think applies, if you're wrong, the maintainer will change |
| 13:00.53 | abrotman | toni_: without more context, i'd say serious |
| 13:00.57 | toni_ | abrotman: ummm. |
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| 13:01.35 | [jasper] | one more question themill....does running apt-get upgrade now ruin the system again? after changing the kernel? |
| 13:01.46 | [jasper] | since the apt-get upgrade wants to install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 13:02.20 | themill | [jasper]: you should add wheezy-backports to your sources.list and install the linux-image-amd64 package from there. |
| 13:02.26 | themill | dpkg: tell [jasper] about wheezy-backports |
| 13:02.55 | Monotoko2 | hmm, my eth0 interface on one of our Debian servers doesn't come up automatically, can anyone see a reason why from my interfaces file? I can type ifup eth0 to bring it up, but it's a pain having to do that every time when I work remotely... (http://pastebin.com/D3VNxQFS) |
| 13:03.39 | abrotman | Monotoko: uncomment line 9 |
| 13:04.05 | Monotoko | ... I knew I was having a slow day, sorry I didn't see that it was commented |
| 13:04.27 | Monotoko | thanks abrotman |
| 13:04.48 | [jasper] | but am I wrong in thinking the latest kernel is allready on the system due to the dpkg -i themill ? |
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| 13:05.22 | themill | [jasper]: it is, but installing that package from wheezy-backports will make sure you always have the latest kernel package from that repo |
| 13:05.22 | babilen | [jasper]: btw, sorry for leading you astray. I realised that I searched for kernel support using the wrong pciid. Made a typo there and thought the NIC was supported by the kernel in wheezy. Would have made sense to actually paste the "lspci -n" and "lspci -nn" output I mentioned from the GRML live CD, but meh. Glad that you've figured it out. |
| 13:06.26 | [jasper] | no worries babilen. I'm just glad it's working! :p |
| 13:06.30 | babilen | sure |
| 13:06.46 | babilen | And about time kmuto starts providing some wheezy installers ... |
| 13:07.20 | themill | yeah... I was contemplating pinging him about them |
| 13:08.27 | [jasper] | can you guys think of reasons why python-debian would be held back as only package? |
| 13:08.32 | babilen | It would definitely be much appreciated. |
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| 13:09.09 | babilen | [jasper]: Could you show us what you are referring to on http://paste.debian.net with the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy python-debian" |
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| 13:09.46 | [jasper] | oh it's trying to install the backport for it |
| 13:10.03 | [jasper] | interesting |
| 13:10.15 | Iridos | is there a reason why there's no official kmuto or kmuto-like imagies? |
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| 13:11.12 | angs | I have just isntalled wheezy 7.1 for an arm device and use ath9k driver for the wifi interface. when I use wpa_supplicant, it outputs [ 428.680000] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 13:11.28 | angs | does anyone know what is the issue? |
| 13:11.30 | Iridos | the same with the firmware images... it's weird to have official images that pretty much nobody can use and lots of unofficial ones that people have the luck of finding by chance, by coming here or not at all |
| 13:11.37 | angs | I can see the interface on iwconfig |
| 13:12.08 | angs | I mean the interface is active |
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| 13:13.38 | themill | Iridos: "nobody" is a pretty big exaggeration btw. |
| 13:14.41 | angs | does wheezy-server have a connection manager or connman by default? |
| 13:14.46 | Iridos | themill, nobody but themill? :P |
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| 13:15.42 | abrotman | wheezy-server? |
| 13:15.45 | themill | Iridos: almost no wired cards need firmware and most people still install on a wired connection |
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| 13:16.18 | [jasper] | hmm themill it appears as if my whole apt system is broken now.. |
| 13:16.21 | [jasper] | with unmet dependencies etc :/ |
| 13:16.26 | themill | pastebin? |
| 13:16.41 | [jasper] | can't really pastebin..only in console |
| 13:17.08 | [jasper] | but I tried installing subversion...and it says the following ppackages have unmet dependecies: |
| 13:17.16 | [jasper] | libsvn1 but it is not going to be insatlled |
| 13:17.22 | [jasper] | libaprt1 it is not installable |
| 13:17.31 | [jasper] | libsas12-2 also |
| 13:17.46 | [jasper] | unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 13:18.25 | [jasper] | maybe it installed more stuff from the backports de |
| 13:18.26 | [jasper] | deb |
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| 13:20.44 | [jasper] | hmm I think I messed things up themill |
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| 13:23.42 | Iridos | themill, I think it's becoming only a small exaggeration the older the release gets... but anyway, I think nobody would deny that there's need for images like kmuto or +firmware |
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| 13:24.26 | babilen | Iridos: Official "kmuto" packages might happen soon(ish) |
| 13:24.31 | angs | abrotman, I meant I am not using desktop version of wheezy |
| 13:25.51 | themill | Iridos: I mean your comments about firmware images, not backported images. |
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| 13:27.42 | jelly | Iridos: hush now, next you're going to say non-free is defacto part of Debian and wake all the FSF pundits |
| 13:28.26 | themill | [jasper]: what's the Candidate line in the output of "apt-cache policy subversion"? |
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| 13:29.17 | [jasper] | themill, I just finished reinstall |
| 13:29.32 | [jasper] | I am back to standard install + dpkg -i'ed the kernel |
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| 13:29.40 | [jasper] | didn't do the apt-get upgrade this time.. |
| 13:29.59 | [jasper] | I thought maybe adding the backport deb caused problems |
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| 13:30.02 | themill | [jasper]: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ? (use a pastebin) |
| 13:30.08 | Iridos | jelly, nah... we all know that non-free has nothing to do whatsoever with debian and that there's just packages in it that maintainer wanted to test for private use and forgot on the server in "non-free" |
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| 13:33.53 | [jasper] | themill, http://pastebin.com/vS3HSTfv |
| 13:34.28 | [jasper] | I guess all I want from those backports is the kernel.. |
| 13:35.12 | themill | [jasper]: what's the output of "apt-cache policy python-debian"? |
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| 13:36.34 | [jasper] | http://pastebin.com/80apRHYG |
| 13:37.05 | themill | dpkg: tell [jasper] about wheezy sources.list |
| 13:37.22 | hramrach | hello |
| 13:37.23 | themill | [jasper]: you don't have a main mirror in your sources.list atm which is causing you issues |
| 13:37.36 | [jasper] | hmm that's weird |
| 13:37.39 | hramrach | how do I prevent the kernel from doing modesetting? |
| 13:37.44 | [jasper] | this is the default sources.list which came with the installer themill |
| 13:37.51 | [jasper] | I only added that last line |
| 13:38.00 | Beast | hi all |
| 13:38.06 | hramrach | I use the 'nomodeset' argument but my screeen still turns off |
| 13:38.34 | themill | [jasper]: there's no such thing as a default sources.list, and if you didn't have a working internet connection at install time, then you'd not have one |
| 13:38.45 | hramrach | video=vesafb vga=804 nomodeset produces first switch to graphics and then screen powering off |
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| 13:40.20 | [jasper] | ok themill I added those 2 extra lines...this seems to be a lot better...since it can find regular packages now |
| 13:40.25 | woshty | How do I rebuild libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32 with the source from jessie or sid? |
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| 13:40.45 | [jasper] | one last question....with the adding of the backports deb ...can I still safely issue a apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:40.58 | [jasper] | without it getting all kinds of packages from the backports deb? |
| 13:41.23 | themill | [jasper]: yes, you only get backported packages if you explicitly ask for them (or if they aren't in the stable release) |
| 13:41.35 | [jasper] | perfect. thank you |
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| 13:41.50 | [jasper] | oh themill ...should I explicity ask for that linux-image? |
| 13:41.53 | [jasper] | I gues I should right :P |
| 13:43.05 | Beast | has anyone had issues system freezes while playing .flv in fullscreen? Had that last night on saucy and prior to upgrading. |
| 13:43.27 | themill | Beast: wrong channel? |
| 13:43.36 | themill | [jasper]: linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:43.37 | Beast | was using firefox |
| 13:43.52 | Beast | oops |
| 13:44.00 | Beast | sorry |
| 13:44.10 | [jasper] | themill...I'm currently on kernel 3.10-0 ...and apt-get upgrade wants me to download linux-image-3.2.0-4 ....so should I just ignore this? |
| 13:44.38 | mumpitzel | you can have more than one kernel version installed |
| 13:44.45 | themill | [jasper]: it's often nice to have a spare kernel around to help solve problems. Not so nice when that kernel won't have a working internet connection |
| 13:44.47 | mumpitzel | is there still a 3.2 installed? |
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| 13:45.17 | [jasper] | ok...so I can safely issue the apt-get upgrade without losing internet connectivity again? |
| 13:45.34 | [jasper] | or will it adjust my grub again if I do upgrade it? |
| 13:46.13 | mumpitzel | it will adjust grub. you will have 3.10 and 3.2 to choose from when booting |
| 13:46.16 | themill | I assume you have both kernels in your grub menu; the most recent kernel will be the default |
| 13:46.41 | themill | "most recent" meaning "highest version", not "most recently installed" |
| 13:47.11 | [jasper] | ah ok, perfect |
| 13:47.15 | [jasper] | thanks so must for the help themill |
| 13:47.21 | woshty | How do I rebuild :i386 packages on a amd64 installation? |
| 13:48.04 | themill | woshty: an i386 chroot is the simplest |
| 13:48.12 | [jasper] | now I just need to find out why my motherboard is saying I have a bad disk |
| 13:48.15 | [jasper] | while smartmontools |
| 13:48.17 | [jasper] | says it's fine |
| 13:48.50 | woshty | themill: so there is no multiarchy way? |
| 13:49.21 | themill | woshty: sometimes. If you're lucky. A chroot is simplest. |
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| 13:51.08 | jelly | [jasper]: did you perhaps ask hdsentinel what it thinks? |
| 13:51.11 | hramrach | srsly |
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| 13:51.39 | hramrach | I have nomodeset in the kernel commandline and kms still kills my screen |
| 13:51.58 | [jasper] | jelly hdsentinal? |
| 13:52.05 | woshty | themill: thank you. I will try. I need the ia32 version of that closed source nvidia lib from above .. |
| 13:52.27 | [jasper] | never heard of that jelly |
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| 13:53.51 | jelly | !hdsentinel |
| 13:53.51 | dpkg | A gratis but closed source SMART client with slightly more user-friendly output than smartctl and ability to read more USB devices than smartctl. Binaries for x86 and armhf (including r.pi) at http://www.hdsentinel.com/hard_disk_sentinel_linux.php |
| 13:55.00 | [jasper] | hmm. you think that might report the disk broken while smartctl says it's fine? |
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| 13:55.51 | jelly | I'm thinking you might have missed something not obvious in smartctl output |
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| 13:56.42 | jelly | while hdsentinel gives out a synthetic 0-100% health value for dummies |
| 13:56.42 | [jasper] | jelly, hdsentinel says health 100% for all disks |
| 13:56.44 | sobersabre | hi. I'm having a strange problem with having a debian box as nfs server and centos 6 as its client. |
| 13:57.19 | jelly | [jasper]: oh well, then you have independent confirmation ;-) |
| 13:57.31 | sobersabre | When trying to run "rpcinfo -p <IP>" (on centos box) the command gets stuck. |
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| 13:57.59 | hramrach | not all disk errors are detected by SMART |
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| 13:58.17 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: ‘nomodeset’ isn’t an “universal” option to turn off KMS for all the video drivers. |
| 13:58.22 | hramrach | it's more like if you have a SMART error you have evidence for getting a RMA |
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| 13:58.45 | hramrach | how do you turn it off then? |
| 13:58.49 | [jasper] | hramrach, yeah...but only my motherboard seems to be detecting problems with the disk.... |
| 13:59.01 | [jasper] | kind of annoying |
| 13:59.15 | hramrach | what kind of problems? |
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| 13:59.45 | hramrach | maybe you need to increase disk detect delay if your board has such setting? |
| 14:00.05 | hramrach | sometimes the disk just does not spin up in time for the board to detect it |
| 14:01.42 | [jasper] | yeah...if only I could find the settings for it in the bios...will take a closer look |
| 14:01.58 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: I’d try radeon.modeset=0, i915.modeset=0, or nouveau.modeset=0, depending on the driver. |
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| 14:02.51 | hramrach | I guess I try modprobe.blacklist=radeon |
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| 14:03.01 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: But overall, given that VGA text modes are no longer considered fashionable, I’d try to configure KMS properly. Which makes me ask: what’s the exact problem? |
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| 14:03.30 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: Blacklisting the module may work, indeed, but so will radeon.modeset=0 then. |
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| 14:05.01 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: Did you try video=VGA-1:640x480 video=LVDS-1:640x480, for instance? |
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| 14:07.57 | hramrach | ivanshmakov: the problem is that RS400 the KMS code totally kills the outputs |
| 14:08.11 | hramrach | it's not wrong mode, it's no signal at all |
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| 14:10.00 | hramrach | and blacklist does not work so I guess I try the nomodeset next |
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| 14:10.21 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: s/nomodeset/MODULE.modeset=0/. |
| 14:10.43 | ivanshmakov | My point is that the display may report “no singal” when the signal is merely off the display’s specifications. |
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| 14:14.00 | hramrach | ivanshmakov: well, this is not the case. ddc fails too. it just does not work |
| 14:14.28 | hramrach | and I am not really excited about the 'acceleration' I can obtain with radeon. vesa works fine |
| 14:14.39 | hramrach | and the radeon.modeset=0 really works. thanks |
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| 14:16.32 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: FWIW, vesa is my preferred X driver. |
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| 14:16.40 | [jasper] | themill, are you still here? |
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| 14:18.54 | hramrach | ivanshmakov: unfortunately it does not work on non-x86 |
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| 14:22.04 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: The systems other than x86-32 and x86-64 are unlikely to contain VESA-compatible firmware, anyway. |
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| 14:23.27 | hramrach | yes, that's why the driver would not work. It relies on the firmware |
| 14:24.09 | hramrach | and radeon driver relies on Atombios blob which usese the firmware in undocumented and apparently worng way and so fails |
| 14:24.27 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: And it’s also why the driver works for such a diverse variety of hardware: it relies on the firmware bundled with the adapter. |
| 14:25.05 | ivanshmakov | hramrach: The other drivers shouldn’t use any firmware. Though I’m by no means an expert on the subject. |
| 14:25.09 | hramrach | nouveau works for similar variety of hardware without any blob |
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| 14:25.32 | enthdegree | hello all |
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| 14:25.43 | enthdegree | for some reason debian keeps installing wit GPT |
| 14:25.45 | enthdegree | instead of MBR |
| 14:25.46 | hramrach | intel works without blob but the amount of hardware is very limited to select Intel cards |
| 14:25.58 | enthdegree | how do i foce it to write an MBR to the disk in the installer? |
| 14:26.11 | hramrach | is GPT in any way wrong? |
| 14:26.27 | hramrach | yes, you overwrite the end of disk wehre GPT resides |
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| 14:27.15 | hramrach | or you re-partition with gparted or something |
| 14:28.11 | hramrach | GPT is kind of superset of MBR - it contains a 'protective MBR' so it's hard to go from GPT to MBR without erasing the disk thoroughly |
| 14:28.56 | csadmin | hi |
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| 14:29.45 | csadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.50 | enthdegree | hramrach: its wrong in that pre-gpt systems don't boot to it |
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| 14:31.26 | hramrach | well, they should because of the loader in the protective MBR |
| 14:31.43 | hramrach | but some might to superfluous check like that you have a bootable partition or such |
| 14:31.47 | ivanshmakov | enthdegree: Not at all; all that a pre-EFI system needs from a GPT is that the protective MBR should contain the legacy bootloader. |
| 14:32.05 | hramrach | which the protective MBR as well as many other valid MBRs won;t pass |
| 14:32.09 | ivanshmakov | enthdegree: Or a partition marked as bootable, indeed. |
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| 14:33.00 | ivanshmakov | The solution would be to use a “hybrid” MBR. Check gptsync(8) and gdisk(8), for instance. |
| 14:33.03 | enthdegree | o i must be doing it wrong then |
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| 14:34.29 | ivanshmakov | enthdegree: Either way, my suggestion would be to partition the disk outside of the Debian Installer. For sure, I’d use GPT, creating a “hybrid” MBR if necessary for the BIOS bootloader. |
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| 14:35.29 | hramrach | other option is erasing the disk and let the installer do the MBR stuff from scratch |
| 14:35.31 | enthdegree | is it possible to convert an already installed system |
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| 14:35.48 | hramrach | yes, with gptsync |
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| 14:36.24 | hramrach | it will create an equivalent MBR and if you are careful you can then erase the GPT without affecting the installed system |
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| 14:37.17 | hramrach | it will be difficult or impossible to do if you have more than 4 partitions, though |
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| 14:38.50 | enthdegree | I have exactly 4 partitions |
| 14:39.04 | enthdegree | ok thank you hramrach |
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| 14:47.04 | Guest40103 | hey if i want to make a usable fullbackup of the system is it important to exclude /dev ? and y ? |
| 14:48.18 | jordanm | Guest40103: dev is populated by udev dynamically |
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| 14:48.48 | jordanm | Guest40103: use --one-file-system for rsync and you won't have to manually set the excludes |
| 14:48.50 | Guest40103 | mhh ok |
| 14:49.26 | Guest40103 | one file system for rsync .. mhh im currently doin it with tar |
| 14:49.39 | petn-randall | Guest40103: Unless of course you have separate filesystems for you OS (e.g. / and /home on different partitions). |
| 14:49.59 | Guest40103 | my problem is i need a fullbackup that can be used on a new ssd later on |
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| 14:50.32 | petn-randall | Guest40103: I recommend using rdiff-backup on an external HDD for backups. It allows you to do incremental backups, which is something you'll enjoy in the long run. |
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| 14:51.12 | Guest40103 | ah incremental like adding changes to the backup? |
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| 14:51.34 | Guest40103 | this sounds quite handier |
| 14:51.35 | petn-randall | yes |
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| 14:53.20 | geak | Hi |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | Lo |
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| 14:55.06 | [jasper] | guys, will it be possible to run squeeze with the latest kernel somehow? |
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| 14:56.54 | jelly | [jasper]: it usually is possible, linux kernel maintainers strive hard to keep backward compatibility |
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| 14:57.37 | jelly | [jasper]: just how latest do you need it to be? |
| 14:57.39 | [jasper] | jelly but I wouldn't be able to find a backport for this probably? |
| 14:57.51 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:57.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 14:58.02 | [jasper] | 3.10 probably jelly |
| 14:58.05 | [jasper] | for my network drivers to work |
| 14:58.14 | jelly | [jasper]: there's a 3.2.46 backport |
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| 14:58.54 | ChrisH | runs experimantal kernel on Wheezy installation to get the dual-head setup to work on my ooooold Laptop. |
| 14:59.03 | [jasper] | jelly, do you know if intel ethernet controller 8086:153b is supported with that? |
| 14:59.42 | mumpitzel | [jasper]: it's not. wheezy has 3.2 by default and doesn't support it with 3.2 kernel. why do you want to go back to oldstable? |
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| 15:00.10 | [jasper] | mumpitzel, I want to use openmediavault...which is based on squeeze |
| 15:00.18 | [jasper] | for nas software |
| 15:00.33 | geak | I installed debian in a rootfs directory using multistrap (something like debootstrap) for use in a system lxc container. |
| 15:00.33 | [jasper] | but my network driver is not supported in that kernel version :/ |
| 15:00.38 | mumpitzel | and it doesn't run/install in wheezy? |
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| 15:00.40 | jelly | [jasper]: no idea! |
| 15:00.49 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:153b |
| 15:00.50 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
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| 15:01.02 | geak | The problem is that also udeb / hardware / boot stuff is executed (including failures because it is in a lxc container). How can I get rid of all that unneeded stuff? |
| 15:01.03 | jelly | I guess not |
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| 15:01.25 | naquad | hi |
| 15:01.33 | naquad | is there a package with Oracle Java JRE 7? |
| 15:01.34 | [jasper] | mumpitzel, apparently there are issues when installing it under wheezy |
| 15:01.37 | naquad | can't find any |
| 15:01.54 | mumpitzel | naquad: there cannot be. oracle doesn't allow it |
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| 15:01.55 | mumpitzel | !tell naquad about install java |
| 15:02.37 | naquad | mumpitzel, i see, thank you. will have to set it up manually :( |
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| 15:04.08 | jelly | naquad: if you need it, you have to get oracle's tarball and use make-jpkg from java-package package to package it |
| 15:04.39 | naquad | jelly, apt-cache search java-package => 0 results |
| 15:04.51 | jelly | it's probably in contrib |
| 15:05.00 | jelly | judd: i java-packag |
| 15:05.01 | judd | No package named 'java-packag' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 15:05.01 | jelly | judd: i java-package |
| 15:05.02 | judd | Package java-package (contrib/misc, optional) in wheezy/i386: Utility for creating Java Debian packages. Version: 0.50+nmu2; Size: 19.0k; Installed: 81k |
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| 15:05.09 | jelly | !contrib |
| 15:05.12 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 15:05.25 | naquad | not there |
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| 15:05.51 | naquad | not in non-free |
| 15:06.07 | [jasper] | is there any way to solve this mumpitzel ? |
| 15:06.19 | [jasper] | to get the networking device working under squeeze? |
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| 15:07.13 | naquad | jelly, bad mirror after all, found it in another. thanks |
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| 15:08.54 | ttyS1 | I've been trying for a log time to create a shortcut on the desktop to run a simple Bash script to mount an sshfs remote directory. When I click on the Desktop shortcut the terminal comes up, runs the script and mounts the file but as soon as I close the terminal window the directory gets unmounted. Is there any way to run the script so is not dependent on the terminal window being open ? |
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| 15:11.15 | mar77i | hmmm. hello #debian. I run a debian 7.1 machine here in some virtual environment, and I'm debugging some file access issue our uber framework is having... |
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| 15:12.35 | [jasper] | jelly, so is there a way to get kernel 3.10 running in squeezez? |
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| 15:13.06 | mumpitzel | yes, compile it yourself |
| 15:13.12 | mar77i | I managed to resolve the lockup by reaing the file I was waiting for in the browser... this is debian 7.1. |
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| 15:13.39 | jelly | [jasper]: you can always build your own if doing the evil thing and installing the packages from wheezy-backports does not work |
| 15:13.58 | [jasper] | jelly Is it possible to use a wheezy-backport in squeeze? |
| 15:14.35 | jelly | [jasper]: I was thinking more "download packages manually and try to install with dpkg" |
| 15:14.38 | [jasper] | problem is compiling it myself is gonna be really hard without a working internet connection |
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| 15:15.45 | Sevet_ | [jasper]: probably wouldn't be the best idea - they're backported to wheezy not squeeze and there are differences between them. plus i imagine there'd be a ton of dependancies that'd upgrade you to somewhere between squeeze and wheezy (and being on neither would probably give you more problems). probably easier just to upgrade to wheezy |
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| 15:16.38 | [jasper] | sevet that would mean I wouldn't be able to use the software I want |
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| 15:16.44 | jelly | Sevet_: it's not tons, typically just initramfs-tools and a linux-* thing or two |
| 15:16.46 | [jasper] | just because my nic is not supported? |
| 15:17.02 | [jasper] | is it possible to get the nic working without the kernel support? |
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| 15:17.13 | mar77i | oh I did mention the dist version twice... hmm. |
| 15:19.00 | [jasper] | jelly do you know if this is possible? |
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| 15:22.43 | jelly | [jasper]: anything is possible in software. If anything, install it on a wheezy system and copy /boot/*3.10* and /lib/modules/3.10* over |
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| 15:23.34 | [jasper] | jelly you mean copy those two directories? |
| 15:23.37 | [jasper] | over in squeeze? |
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| 15:24.30 | [jasper] | jelly: <reply>I217 is a LAN on Motherboard (LOM) device available on systems with Intel's "Lynx Point" Platform Controller Hub (PCH) chipset. I217-LM (PCI ID 8086:153a) and I217-V (PCI ID 8086:153b) are supported by the <e1000e> driver since Linux 3.5. |
| 15:24.52 | [jasper] | can't I just upgrade the e1000e driver? |
| 15:24.57 | [jasper] | without doing anything to the kernel? |
| 15:24.58 | jelly | [jasper]: those files from /boot and the /lib/modules/... directory from a wheezy installation over to your squeeze, yes |
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| 15:25.54 | jelly | [jasper]: it might be possible but using a ready-made whole newer kernel is probably easier |
| 15:25.56 | Kingsy | does debian have any .ttf files in its OS ? |
| 15:26.00 | Kingsy | like windows |
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| 15:26.18 | jelly | Kingsy: on a default desktop installation? Yeah |
| 15:26.22 | ivanshmakov | Kingsy: Unlike W, it has many. |
| 15:26.25 | [jasper] | wouldn't that break the whole system jelly? |
| 15:26.33 | [jasper] | if I just copied those directories? is that possible? |
| 15:26.33 | jelly | [jasper]: no |
| 15:26.33 | Kingsy | jelly: where? |
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| 15:26.47 | jelly | Kingsy: hm, locate -i .ttf ? |
| 15:26.56 | ivanshmakov | If the target software relies on an old Debian, I’d rather use a new Debian, with the old one in a chroot. |
| 15:27.05 | ivanshmakov | Kingsy: $ dpkg -S -- \*.ttf |
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| 15:27.54 | bline79 | are the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives necessary ? |
| 15:28.10 | jelly | bline79: no. apt-cache clean will wipe them |
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| 15:28.42 | bline79 | jelly: thank you. It is apt-get clean, but that was great help :D |
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| 15:30.37 | Kingsy | thanks |
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| 15:31.43 | jelly | [jasper]: the userspace and the kernel and quite independent of each other, you can easily set up a custom kernel or try a newer one, and roll back/reboot the old one if it doesn't work |
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| 15:32.50 | [jasper] | jelly I'm out of my depth here |
| 15:33.03 | Andymeows | Is anyone aware of any software to manage versions of server configuration changes? I.E., I have 8 debian web servers behind a load balancer, I'd like to manage updates to ensure changes are applied to all servers. |
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| 15:35.10 | [jasper] | so jelly..what you're telling me is install wheezy...get networking working...copy those 2 directories... |
| 15:35.11 | jelly | [jasper]: I'm not sure how to respond to that. Copying the kernel files won't automatically mess up the current installation. |
| 15:35.21 | [jasper] | then reinstall squeeze...copy those directories over.. |
| 15:35.28 | [jasper] | and I should have the newer kernel available? |
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| 15:36.26 | jelly | [jasper]: no... I meant get wheezy running on a different machine. If you're going to reinstall your server, you might as well do what ivanshmakov suggested, and have a squeeze chroot for that one software. |
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| 15:36.55 | [jasper] | would a squeeze chroot have networking working then>? |
| 15:37.28 | icjs | Andymeows, i've used puppet to do that |
| 15:37.28 | jelly | yes |
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| 15:37.44 | [jasper] | then that is probably the best option...since I've allready starting reinstalling jelly |
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| 15:38.20 | mumpitzel | Andymeows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_configuration_management_software biggest ones are puppet and chef I guess |
| 15:38.29 | [jasper] | but then I need to figure out how chroot works |
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| 15:39.40 | icjs | Andymeows, puppet is available in the default repositories. but i've found using the latest upstream best, lots of bug-fixes |
| 15:39.59 | Andymeows | icjs / mumpitzel: thanks I'll do some research into these |
| 15:40.17 | jzbl | I've got one question regarding kernel installed from wheezy-backports, will it upgrade itself when new version of 3.10 will hit the backport repo? |
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| 15:41.08 | Andymeows | some of the things I'm looking at doing would be updating fstab files, installing software, maintain active directory connectivity with samba/winbind |
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| 15:43.20 | icjs | Andymeows, all of that will be capable with puppet. i would advise learning it via some test systems, it's something that could cause a lot of disruption if misconfigured . |
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| 15:44.11 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, how could I run this software in chroot? |
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| 15:44.21 | [jasper] | if I have the system installer on a usb disk? |
| 15:44.44 | tengopreguntas | hi everyones. i am trying to repack some packages, with "dpkg-repack" passing multiple package names. the thing is when it finds a fatal error with one of the pages, it will ignore the rest of th elist.. is there a way to avloid this? |
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| 15:45.48 | Andymeows | icjs: is it easy for puppet to detect a system that's out of date and requires the last 3 updates vs another system that only needs the last 2? |
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| 15:48.03 | icjs | Andymeows, puppet keeps a central database of "these servers should have these configs" (the puppetmaster). the "puppets" just keep checking in with the puppetmaster for changes now and then for changes. so yes, it will try and keep them all "in sync" |
| 15:48.17 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: First of all, setup the chroot environment properly. Usually, I name my chroots like: /srv/chroot/2013-10-07, and depending on the target software, it may be necessary to mount dev/pts and proc under that directory. |
| 15:48.17 | ivanshmakov | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.28 | Andymeows | icjs: that is awesome. Thanks a ton!! |
| 15:49.01 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: The schroot package then allows to chroot there without becoming root. |
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| 15:49.32 | joe18 | I'm having problems setting up a public samba share. I got it to not ask for a password but now when i access the share i dont see the files and cant even make a folder. heres my conf http://pastebin.com/9bxqtMnz |
| 15:50.00 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Depending on the situation, one may or may not want to # mount --bind -- /home /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/home. |
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| 15:51.52 | [jasper] | hmm ivanshmakov I've never used chroot before |
| 15:52.04 | [jasper] | would it be possible to install openmediavault in a chroot? |
| 15:52.04 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Finally, mount the installation media under the chroot (say: # mount -v -o ro,nodev,nosuid -- /dev/sdXX /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/mnt), or mount it in the usual place and # mount --bind it there. $ schroot into the chroot environment and run the installation from there. |
| 15:52.20 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Unless it does something very specific, it should be possible. |
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| 15:52.41 | [jasper] | sounds quite difficult |
| 15:52.53 | [jasper] | do I need to assign disks to it also ivanshmakov ? |
| 15:53.15 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: It’s rather simple, or so it becomes after being done for a few times. |
| 15:53.37 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: It isn’t strictly necessary. |
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| 15:54.22 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: My preference would be to create an LVM logical volume for either each of the chroots, or all of them. |
| 15:54.42 | jumperswitch | hi |
| 15:54.49 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: If the root filesystem (/) has enough disk space, a chroot very well may be placed just there. |
| 15:54.52 | jumperswitch | So I want to install a locale (en-us). Is it just a debian package? |
| 15:55.07 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, so I have a completely fresh install of wheezy on a 120 gb ssd .... |
| 15:55.12 | jumperswitch | Because I find many dictionaries for spell checking, but no locales |
| 15:55.21 | [jasper] | so which packages would I need to install first? |
| 15:55.42 | [jasper] | binutils and debootstrap? |
| 15:56.03 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: The locales proper are in the locales package. Or in the locales-all one, which contains all the locales preconfigured. |
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| 15:56.33 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: so for the locale en-us I would use the package locale-en-us? |
| 15:56.48 | WormFood | is "ping" considered to be a high network usage app, or does it put an undue load on the network under normal conditions? I was just reading the ping manpage, and was rather surprised to read "Because of the load it can impose on the network, it is unwise to use ping during normal operations or from automated scripts." |
| 15:57.07 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: You install the locales-all package. Or you install the locales one and then # dpkg-reconfigure locales to enable the locales you need. |
| 15:57.30 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: one can install individual locale packages then, right? |
| 15:57.32 | jelly | WormFood: it can be abused |
| 15:57.34 | WormFood | "unwise to use ping during normal operations"...I'm almost afraid to use it at all now ;) |
| 15:57.48 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: There are no individual locale packages. |
| 15:58.01 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: debootstrap should be just enough to install Debian into a chroot environment, and schroot should be just enough to use it without becoming root. |
| 15:58.03 | jumperswitch | [jasper]: also take a look at multistrap, but the learning courve is very steep, especially the package stuff |
| 15:58.03 | jelly | WormFood: that just sounds like a very conservative approach |
| 15:58.03 | WormFood | I know it can be abused, but I thought their message was a little odd, to suggest not to use it unless you're having problems (that is how I read it) |
| 15:58.28 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: so all debian systems got many unnecessary locale packages then? |
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| 15:58.50 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: when using an english only debian system, what is with all the other locales? they occupy space |
| 15:58.54 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, I don't think I'm gonna figure this out.. |
| 15:59.37 | WormFood | I've used the "flood" option on ping, in my network tests, and I've sent oversized packets....I know it can be used to generate a boatload of traffic....but it's "unwise to use ping during normal operations",,,I thought that was a little odd, considering the low load it puts on a network, when used with normal options |
| 16:00.47 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, will this chroot make use of the 'main systems' drivers? |
| 16:00.48 | jelly | WormFood: no idea. It is primarily a debugging tool, one could read it as "try not to leave it running forever" |
| 16:00.52 | WormFood | anyways, I'm scripting it, to determine when the VPN isn't working, so it can be restarted....not sure if there is a glitch somewhere, or if the Great Firewall of China is causing problems. |
| 16:01.05 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, so that chrooted distro will be able to use the drivers which aren't in it's own kernel? |
| 16:01.23 | WormFood | jelly, yeah, I've forgotten to stop it before...but even then, with default options, (normal use), it's extremely low bandwidth |
| 16:01.42 | WormFood | if someone using it as an attack tool, then they wouldn't heed the warnings anyways ;) |
| 16:01.56 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Surely. There’s only one kernel, and it’s that of the “primary” system. All chroots just have to rely on it. |
| 16:02.06 | jelly | WormFood: at home I have a polling script that pings a machine in work-vpn every 60s and restarts vpn |
| 16:02.30 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: so dpkg does something special for installing the locales? |
| 16:02.31 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: More than that: right now, you may happen to find that your Debian install has some documentation in Russian and Mandarin Chineese. |
| 16:02.31 | WormFood | yeah, I'm writing my own script to do the same thing |
| 16:02.37 | jelly | mostly because cisco's client sucks, and vpnc is, or used to be, unreliable |
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| 16:03.17 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: I need a minimalist system, I need to strap every MB down from the final result. Can I remove the unneeded documentation, locale stuff? |
| 16:03.25 | jumperswitch | I only need minimum, so english locale should be fine. |
| 16:03.33 | jelly | oh, it's every 15 minutes now |
| 16:03.46 | WormFood | OMG! removing text files? I don't know, it might crash the system. |
| 16:04.09 | WormFood | jumperswitch, see what packages are installed, and remove what you don't need |
| 16:04.22 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: My guess is that most, if not all, of /usr/share/{doc,locale,man} could more or less safely be stripped. |
| 16:04.29 | WormFood | or even better, why don't you do a bare bones install, and then add only the packages you want. |
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| 16:04.51 | jelly | WormFood: there's horrible stuff like if [ -n "$gw" ] && ping -c 2 -i 1 $gw >&- && ( ! ping -c 1 -i 1 $my && ! ping -c 1 -i 1 $my && ping -c 1 -i 1 $my ) >&-; then |
| 16:05.00 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: Do I understand it correctly that you’re going to install Debian on a router? |
| 16:05.00 | WormFood | you can do a lot of stuff....if you don't mind not having the man pages, then sure, you could delete them....but next time that package is updated, the man pages will be restored (for that package) |
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| 16:05.18 | WormFood | jelly, that's in your script? |
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| 16:05.30 | [jasper] | ok it's downloading the system now ivanshmakov |
| 16:05.30 | jelly | yeah |
| 16:06.03 | WormFood | jelly, may I suggest you check out the deadline option...it's really cool how it works |
| 16:06.06 | jelly | (if the default gw is not reachable, it makes no sense to even try the vpn) |
| 16:06.21 | WormFood | indeed, you are correct |
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| 16:06.44 | jelly | WormFood: as you can see, -c is in use already |
| 16:06.58 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, is this a good howto: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap ? |
| 16:07.02 | WormFood | I give it -c 1 and -w 5....if it does not get a response, it will keep sending out packets, until 5 seconds is up...as soon as it gets 1 in response, it exits |
| 16:07.33 | WormFood | if it gets no packets in response, then after 5 seconds, it fails with an exit code other than 0 |
| 16:08.06 | jelly | which is why you can use it in "if" or && or || |
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| 16:08.24 | Dark_light | How difficult would it be to backport the intel driver from jessie to wheezy? |
| 16:08.30 | WormFood | that way, if the first ping goes through, ping exits at the 1st response....but if the 1st one is lost, it sends out a 2nd one, and when that response comes back, it exits. |
| 16:08.44 | jelly | Dark_light: more difficult than using 3.10 kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 16:08.56 | Dark_light | jelly: I meant the xorg driver |
| 16:09.32 | WormFood | jelly, what is this for --> ( ! ping -c 1 -i 1 $my && ! ping -c 1 -i 1 $my && ping -c 1 -i 1 $my ) |
| 16:09.32 | jelly | Dark_light: that often requires newer X server (xserver-xorg-core) as well, and newer mesa to get opengl working |
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| 16:09.45 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: I’d recommend https://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/Установка_Debian_без_D-I instead, but it’s in Russian. (Still, it doesn’t invalidate the debootstrap(8) example.) On a second thought, I’d advise not to echo >> /etc/fstab, but to edit /etc/fstab with a proper text editor. |
| 16:09.49 | ivanshmakov | BTW, /sys and /etc/fstab are also not strictly necessary in a chroot. |
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| 16:10.11 | WormFood | sends out 3 pings, and needs to get at least 1 response? |
| 16:10.16 | Dark_light | that's definetly not feasable, for me at least, hopefully the devs will eventually backport some xorg components |
| 16:10.21 | jelly | WormFood: yes |
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| 16:10.47 | jelly | it can probably be replaced with a single ! ping with different options |
| 16:10.50 | WormFood | jelly, you're doing it the hard way, just do ping -c 1 -w 5 $my |
| 16:11.13 | ivanshmakov | (I guess I’ll patch https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap when I have more time.) |
| 16:11.14 | jelly | there was a reason to this but FIIK it now |
| 16:12.01 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, I used this manual: http://linuxconfig.org/install-debian-server-in-a-linux-chroot-environment |
| 16:12.04 | WormFood | set -w to the time you want it to wait...and it will send out 4-5 packets, and it needs to get only one response to succeed, and 5 seconds to fail |
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| 16:14.04 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Install as described; do not “configure” — it isn’t necessary. |
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| 16:17.03 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Then create /etc/schroot/chroot.d/2013-10-07 with, say: # printf %s\\n '[chroot-2013-10-07]' 'description=Debian Squeeze' directory=/srv/chroot/2013-10-07 users=USERNAME aliases=squeeze > /etc/schroot/chroot.d/2013-10-07. |
| 16:17.17 | ivanshmakov | To test: $ schroot -c squeeze. |
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| 16:21.41 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, I did that whole instruction.. |
| 16:21.53 | [jasper] | but I'm not sure my chroot started automatically on boot...how can I see this? |
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| 16:23.28 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: The chroot environments do not need to be “started”: they’re just a bunch of programs installed somewhere, which you do (or do not) start as necessary. |
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| 16:24.08 | [jasper] | ok but they made this startup script at the bottom of the page to start ssh |
| 16:24.13 | [jasper] | but it doesn't appear to be working |
| 16:24.17 | angs | I have a flash disk that I can has ext4 FS, it works fine on ubuntu, but when I plug it onto wheezy, fdisk or lsblk does not show it, what could be the problem? |
| 16:24.22 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: If there’s a particular program, installed at chroot, which it’s necessary to start at boot time, it could be started at /etc/rc.local. |
| 16:24.42 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: I know of no reason to run an SSH server in a chroot. |
| 16:24.54 | [jasper] | me neither...but I was just testing it |
| 16:24.56 | [jasper] | if it would start |
| 16:24.58 | [jasper] | but it doesn't |
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| 16:25.28 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Did you test if schroot(1) allows you to enter chroot as a (non-root) user? |
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| 16:29.04 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, only root can mount stuff apparently in the chroot |
| 16:29.11 | [jasper] | that's why my script aint working |
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| 16:30.12 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, how can I make this part work automatically? |
| 16:30.12 | [jasper] | # mount -t proc proc $CHROOT/proc |
| 16:30.14 | [jasper] | # mount -t devpts devpts $CHROOT/dev/pts |
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| 16:30.21 | [jasper] | since root needs to do it . and I want to do it on boot |
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| 16:31.42 | sckn | hi I chech dmesg output. EXT4-fs wait until 6 second. Output is here http://pastebin.com/WDMuJeT3 how I fix? |
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| 16:33.20 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Put that into /etc/fstab. Like: proc /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/proc proc defaults 0 0 |
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| 16:33.51 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: There should be a line for /dev/pts in /etc/fstab. Copy it and change /dev/pts to /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/dev/pts. |
| 16:33.55 | ksk | has anyone in here used libpam-chroot sucessfully? when i ssh to the box i will just be disconnected. using sshds "chrootdirectory" statement the chroot works fine.. |
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| 16:35.18 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, no line for devpts in my fstab |
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| 16:36.19 | NcsuUgMathLounge | hep hep hep heph pH1pehP EHEPL!!!!!! |
| 16:36.19 | NcsuUgMathLounge | HELP! |
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| 16:36.58 | reavengr1y | no |
| 16:36.59 | NcsuUgMathLounge | How do you make a GPT disk look like an MBR disk? |
| 16:37.08 | ksk | NcsuUgMathLounge: not |
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| 16:37.42 | ivanshmakov | NcsuUgMathLounge: I’d use gptsync(8) or gdisk(8). |
| 16:37.43 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: no, I want to install debian in a lxc container |
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| 16:37.52 | NcsuUgMathLounge | ok x-el-nt |
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| 16:38.48 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: Which means that you’ll be using a hard disk of a hundred GiB at the least. What’s the point of making the system some 10% or so smaller? |
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| 16:39.28 | joe18 | what will happen if i add a repo meant for ubuntu? |
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| 16:39.49 | joe18 | ... or does anyone know a debian repo for plex? |
| 16:40.17 | mumpitzel | joe18: depends on the repo. best case: it just works. worst case: you install so many ubuntu dependencies that it will destroy your debian installation and you will have to reinstall |
| 16:40.34 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Indeed, mine also lacks it. But it’s possible to follow the one in /proc/mounts. Like: devpts /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/dev/pts devpts rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=666 0 0. |
| 16:40.40 | mumpitzel | in between: packages won't install due to missing dependencies |
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| 16:41.03 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, it seems I got networking running now in the chroot on boot |
| 16:41.42 | joe18 | what ubuntu repo version do i want does it matter? |
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| 16:43.05 | mtn | joe18: that should be your last way to install software |
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| 16:43.52 | sniffingcats | how to install package from unstable? |
| 16:44.21 | ivanshmakov | sniffingcats: # apt-get -t unstable install PACKAGE |
| 16:44.28 | babilen | joe18: You will most likely break your system if you mix Debian with Ubuntu |
| 16:44.35 | babilen | ivanshmakov: NO |
| 16:44.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell sniffingcats -about ssb |
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| 16:44.48 | mumpitzel | sniffingcats: which debian do you run right now? it's normally a bad idea to install from unstable |
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| 16:44.56 | babilen | sniffingcats: You have to backport it and which package is this about? |
| 16:44.59 | joe18 | mtn, my last way is to install arch and then compile it if its not already in the aur |
| 16:45.48 | mtn | joe18: why not download the deb from http://www.plexapp.com/getplex/ or is that what you meant to do? |
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| 16:46.16 | babilen | joe18: You should be able to compile it on Debian just fine and install it to /usr/local ; I'd recommend to manage that installation with stow. Ask our bot about <stow> <usrlocal> and <stow usage> (/msg dpkg stow usage). You probably have to install build-essential and other dependencies before you can do that though. |
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| 16:46.33 | babilen | joe18: And which software are you referring to? |
| 16:46.39 | JordiGH | Is there a font in Debian that renders the turd Unicodepoint? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/browsertest.htm |
| 16:46.45 | sniffingcats | and if apt-get install -t unstable install name doesn't work? I want to install iceweasel from sid, I see that there is 25, I do it and get info that I have already newest version but I have 17 (from Jessie) |
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| 16:47.01 | mumpitzel | sniffingcats: go to mozilla.debian.net instead |
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| 16:47.10 | mumpitzel | sniffingcats: then you can get newest iceweasel versions |
| 16:47.13 | babilen | JordiGH: yes |
| 16:47.36 | JordiGH | babilen: Which one! :D |
| 16:47.38 | ivanshmakov | sniffingcats: Then you probably don’t have Debian Unstable configured in either /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 16:47.43 | JordiGH | can't wait to get unicode turds. |
| 16:48.17 | babilen | JordiGH: Not sure which one though, I'm using DEjaVu Sans Mono in my terminal, but have a number of other fonts installed with unifont among them. Not entirely sure which font is used for that, would you be interested in a list? |
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| 16:49.01 | JordiGH | babilen: yes please! |
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| 16:49.24 | sniffingcats | ivanshmakov: I do, otherwise apt-cache show iceweasel would be showing only info about version from testing. but I see info about version from testing (17) and unstable (25) but can't install 25… |
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| 16:50.29 | sniffingcats | nvm! |
| 16:50.49 | ivanshmakov | sniffingcats: That’s interesting. What about # apt-get -t sid install PACKAGE? |
| 16:51.12 | JordiGH | babilen: ttf-ancient-fonts! |
| 16:51.16 | JordiGH | Yay, Unicode turds! |
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| 16:51.26 | sniffingcats | yeah, -t experimental works, I thought that there should be -t unstable, like you said in the beginning |
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| 16:52.04 | ivanshmakov | sniffingcats: Well, then you’re installing from Experimental, not Unstable. |
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| 16:52.29 | babilen | JordiGH: http://paste.debian.net/52704/ -- if I'd have to guess I'd say unifont, but give DejaVu Sans Mono a try too |
| 16:52.52 | ivanshmakov | Cf. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/iceweasel with http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel, for instance. |
| 16:53.00 | sniffingcats | ivanshmakov: damn, you are right, I messed sources.list, thank you |
| 16:53.06 | mumpitzel | ivanshmakov: don't |
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| 16:53.30 | mumpitzel | sniffingcats: do not put sid sources in it. have you checked http://mozilla.debian.net? if you install it from sid you WILL break your debian |
| 16:53.58 | ivanshmakov | sniffingcats: FTR, as the last resort, one always can # apt-get install PACKAGE=VERSION. |
| 16:54.18 | mumpitzel | ivanshmakov: please stop telling people how to break their installation |
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| 16:54.24 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, I'm getting an error with the chroot system....Restarting statistics collection and monitoring daeom: collectdcollectd : Looking up "BlackMesa" failed. You have set the "FQDNLookup" option, but I cannot resolve my hostname to a fully qualified domain name. |
| 16:54.30 | [jasper] | any clue how I can fix this? |
| 16:54.35 | ivanshmakov | mumpitzel: To tell the truth, I have a couple of Debian installs that I don’t care much about breaking. |
| 16:54.48 | elfranne | "ip link show" list 2 interface with the same mac address named "eth1-eth0" and eth2-eth0" what is that ? |
| 16:55.16 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Update /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/etc/resolv.conf to match /etc/resolv.conf (or otherwise.) |
| 16:55.45 | mumpitzel | ivanshmakov: that's fine. you can do with yours whatever you want. but don't give bad advice to others in #debian please |
| 16:56.02 | ivanshmakov | mumpitzel: I assume that those who do want to install from Sid (Experimental, J. Random Hacker’s Private Repo, or otherwise) do know what they want and what are the implications. |
| 16:56.27 | mumpitzel | ivanshmakov: no they don't. if they did, they didn't have to ask us how to do it... |
| 16:56.38 | ivanshmakov | mumpitzel: I wasn’t giving advice. I was answering the question. |
| 16:56.49 | mumpitzel | ivanshmakov: and for what he wants, there is a specialized debian repo at mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:57.07 | mumpitzel | and your answer was not only wrong but damaging. |
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| 16:57.48 | sniffingcats | thank you all |
| 16:58.34 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, they allready match |
| 16:59.04 | ampw | <3 |
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| 17:00.14 | jumperswitch | ivanshmakov: the current minimal system got 310MB, if I could make it to 280MB it would be a huge win |
| 17:00.32 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: What does the $ dig any "$(hostname)" command report? And what about /etc/hosts? |
| 17:01.50 | ampw | do you guys have specs that are worthy of showing off? |
| 17:02.01 | ampw | im curious. Mine sucks |
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| 17:02.22 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, should does be similar also? |
| 17:02.26 | [jasper] | because they're quire different |
| 17:02.28 | mumpitzel | yes. 1GHz Cortex A8. 512MB RAM |
| 17:02.31 | ivanshmakov | jumperswitch: That would be a huge win iff the target media is 300 MB. Nothing achieved without purpose could be a win or loss. |
| 17:02.33 | ampw | :O |
| 17:02.42 | ampw | with debian? |
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| 17:02.47 | mumpitzel | ampw: do you have a debian related support question? |
| 17:03.17 | tesla_dv | I'm having issues with grub-pc it's not allowing me to display the resolution I'm asking it and defaults to the highest available. Is there something that needs to be done elsewhere besides changing the GRUB_GFXMODE and updating grub? |
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| 17:03.38 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: If /etc/hosts has an entry with the system’s hostname, then /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/etc/hosts should have it, too. |
| 17:03.54 | [jasper] | it doesn't have it ivanshmakov |
| 17:03.55 | [jasper] | should I add it? |
| 17:04.05 | mumpitzel | tesla_dv: what res do you want? it is a VESA compatible resolution? |
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| 17:04.38 | tesla_dv | mumpitzel: it is and is listed in vbeinfo output. I want 1920x1080 but it keeps defaulting to 3200x1800 for the laptop display. |
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| 17:05.19 | ivanshmakov | ampw: K6-266, 192 MiB RAM. Debian Squeeze. |
| 17:06.05 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: I believe that the error message above may be due to a missing hosts(5) entry, indeed. |
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| 17:19.01 | jelly-home | heheh, that _is_ worthy |
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| 17:24.07 | t0ke | Debian keeps crashing on startup, how can I begin to troubleshoot this? |
| 17:24.21 | t0ke | So far I've ran fsck and it seems everything there is fine |
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| 17:24.43 | jumperswitch | I want to run apache2 + mysql (LAMP stuff) in a lxc container in order to serve an existing web application without interfering with the rest of the infrastructure. Should I set up a lxc system container or just isolate apache2 + mysql? I heard former is harder to set up because of the dependencies. |
| 17:24.46 | kyle__ | t0ke: So, where does it crash, and did you look over the logs? |
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| 17:26.30 | t0ke | It crashes on about 10 seconds after logging in to gnome |
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| 17:26.39 | t0ke | and I'm unsure which log files to view |
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| 17:27.07 | mtn | t0ke: has it ever worked correctly with this install? |
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| 17:27.57 | kyle__ | t0ke: well, /var/log/dmesg /var/log/syslog would be good starts |
| 17:28.22 | kyle__ | t0ke: There's some sort of pastie for this channel, I think |
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| 17:36.12 | TheWarden | Hi, what is a good rule of thumb to determine the bs (block size) using the dd command? I've used 4M successfully in the past however I'm wondering if I can increase this to get faster results as it is taking about 19 minutes to copy a 1.8G image to a USB memory card. |
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| 17:37.20 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, I got it working! |
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| 17:38.02 | jordanm | TheWarden: the best results should be the block size of the filesystem |
| 17:38.07 | jordanm | TheWarden: probably 4k |
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| 17:38.35 | Iridos | TheWarden, you can but try... but I doubt that it makes much of a difference |
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| 17:40.10 | Iridos | jordanm, I don't think that smaller blocksize will make it faster... I think of the blocksize ... kind of like a buffer size... if it's from different disks reads and writes can go pretty much in parallel? |
| 17:40.12 | TheWarden | jordanm: oh, how would I find that out? Like I stated I've been using 4M |
| 17:40.36 | jordanm | TheWarden: tune2fs -l for ext2/3/4 |
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| 17:40.54 | Guest84744 | hey is it possible that tar.gz compession could compress abouy 90%?? i did backup of 130gb..and received 13gb.. :/ ? |
| 17:41.03 | TheWarden | Iridos: Oh, yes your right more of a buffersize... it reads so many blocks and then writes so many blocks. |
| 17:41.04 | jordanm | TheWarden: depending on what you are doing, you might just want to use cat instead and let it handle it |
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| 17:41.32 | TheWarden | jordanm: use cat to write an image to an SD memory card? |
| 17:41.45 | jordanm | Iridos: I am just recalling from my linux systems programming book that doing write() calls that match the block size of the filesystem being optimal efficiency |
| 17:41.50 | jordanm | TheWarden: yes |
| 17:42.07 | jelly-home | Guest84744: sure, eg. on highly redundant text files like some logs |
| 17:42.34 | Guest84744 | jelly-home: thx 4 answer |
| 17:42.35 | jelly-home | Guest84744: you can always gzip -dc foo.tar.gz |wc -c |
| 17:42.37 | TheWarden | jordanm: I didn't even know that would was possible. |
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| 17:42.52 | jordanm | TheWarden: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/12538/13796 |
| 17:42.55 | Guest84744 | jelly-home: and what does that? |
| 17:43.10 | jelly-home | Guest84744: counts the uncompressed bytes |
| 17:43.21 | Guest84744 | wow cool |
| 17:43.35 | jelly-home | Guest84744: but don't trust me blindly, read the manual for wc and gzip. |
| 17:43.57 | Guest84744 | k :) |
| 17:43.59 | Iridos | jordanm, ok. although I don't see why it'd make a difference if kernel or dd splits at a certain size, specially if it's at >> FS-blocksize |
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| 17:45.16 | [jasper] | jelly-home, do you know anything about chrooted systems? |
| 17:45.22 | [jasper] | with concern to mtab not being on the system? |
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| 17:45.43 | jelly-home | [jasper]: do you need it? Make a fake one. |
| 17:46.02 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Alternative: # ln -s -- ../proc/mounts /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/etc/mtab. |
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| 17:46.37 | jelly-home | that will work too if /proc is mounted inside the chroot |
| 17:46.42 | [jasper] | it is |
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| 17:48.35 | [jasper] | keep getting nice errors...something is telling me this isn't meant to be run in chrooted environment ivanshmakov :p |
| 17:48.40 | [jasper] | Failed to execute command '[ -x /sys/class/scsi_host ] && for hostdir in /sys/class/scsi_host/host*; do echo "- - -" | tee ${hostdir}/scan >/dev/null; done': |
| 17:49.07 | jelly-home | [jasper]: why is your app rescanning scsi bus? |
| 17:49.18 | [jasper] | it's nas software |
| 17:49.30 | jelly-home | which nas software? |
| 17:49.33 | [jasper] | should I mount the sys bus inside the system? |
| 17:49.35 | [jasper] | openmediavault |
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| 17:50.15 | jelly-home | you're probably going to need both /sys and /dev |
| 17:50.53 | punjab-pete | How do you select a random file from a directory? It for playing music file and randomly select a photo for my wallpaper. |
| 17:51.26 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: … But it makes me wonder if it will play nicely with the “main” system. |
| 17:51.40 | [jasper] | :p |
| 17:51.41 | [jasper] | me too |
| 17:51.47 | [jasper] | that's why I should have squeeze on main |
| 17:51.50 | [jasper] | with kernel update :p |
| 17:52.26 | jelly-home | and this is why you ought to state your Actual Goal™ first |
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| 17:53.03 | [jasper] | jelly-home, goals are to run some nice nas software...and being able to run other stuff besides it |
| 17:53.09 | [jasper] | that's why I don't want freenas....I don't like bsd |
| 17:53.27 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: You shouldn’t, not at least after the Debian security team ceases to issue updates for Squeeze, which is not that far away. |
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| 17:54.29 | jelly-home | [jasper]: did you ask OpenMediaVault people when are they going to support current debian 7? |
| 17:55.05 | [jasper] | they're working on it apparently |
| 17:55.15 | [jasper] | but not too long ago they released their version for squeeze |
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| 17:55.18 | [jasper] | so they're kind of behind.. |
| 17:55.31 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, how can I share the sys directory with my chroot environment? |
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| 17:58.35 | onethfour | How must the source of GPL be distributed? upon request? Can someone point me to the documentation that says so? |
| 18:00.13 | Nik05 | onethfour: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html ? |
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| 18:00.34 | onethfour | where? |
| 18:00.38 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, how can I share dev and sys via fstab? |
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| 18:02.06 | [jasper] | I'm also missing a /var/log/syslog in my chroot ...is that normal?. |
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| 18:03.11 | snooops | hello, i would like to run a bash script in the background and catching all input from a 1d scanner (which works like a keyboard) any ideas how i can get that? |
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| 18:04.33 | gchristensen | hi, in a package version string, like nginx=1.4.2-1~dotdeb.0 -- how is the `~dotdeb` appended? |
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| 18:06.15 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: I see no reason to run a separate Syslog within the chroot, either. |
| 18:06.32 | [jasper] | me neither |
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| 18:06.51 | [jasper] | but how can I make sure /sys / dev and syslog is available to chrooted environment? |
| 18:06.56 | [jasper] | just to make openmediavault working? |
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| 18:07.16 | ivanshmakov | Like: /dev /srv/chroot/2013-10-07/dev none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 18:07.38 | [jasper] | omg....7 hours to make a raid array :P |
| 18:07.40 | jordanm | gchristensen: the version strings come from debian/changelog |
| 18:07.40 | [jasper] | from 2 disks |
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| 18:08.27 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: RAID from 2 disks is not a true RAID. |
| 18:09.00 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Sharing /dev between the “main” system and a chroot effectively gives the latter access to the Syslog running on the former. |
| 18:09.24 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Check it with $ logger test from within the chroot. |
| 18:09.51 | gchristensen | [jasper]: so I might change "nginx (1.4.1-1)" (in debian/changelog) to "nginx (1.4.1-1~zippykid.0)" so I can be more specific when installing the package from my own apt repo? |
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| 18:10.15 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, mirroring |
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| 18:10.37 | [jasper] | I shared dev...but I still can't read /var/log/syslog ivanshmakov |
| 18:11.26 | jordanm | gchristensen: appending that string is fine, but you should make an entirely new changelog entry and increment it |
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| 18:11.34 | gchristensen | surely, thank you! |
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| 18:12.11 | [jasper] | hmm...something fscked up |
| 18:12.32 | [jasper] | ata2.00: irq_stat 0x080000000, interface fatal error |
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| 18:12.44 | [jasper] | ata2.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED |
| 18:12.52 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Check the /var/log/syslog on the “main” system. |
| 18:13.10 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: This doesn’t seem to be related to chroot, but more to the hardware. |
| 18:13.15 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Or the kernel. |
| 18:13.18 | owa | hey, im setting up a new dedicated server currently, that has native ipv4 and ipv6 connectivity. in the sshd ive specified 2 distinct addresses, 1 ipv4 and one v6. now for some reason when sshd is starting on boot, it says that its failing to listen on the ipv6 addr, but as soon as i restart the sshd its working fine, what is weirder is that it does listen to the proper ipv4 addr. any idea what |
| 18:13.18 | owa | could be causing this? |
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| 18:14.02 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, it looks serious though |
| 18:14.14 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Indeed. |
| 18:14.19 | socomm | owa: I'm not familiar with IPv6 but can you bind IPv4 and 6 to the same port? |
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| 18:14.26 | [jasper] | ata2: SError: { unrecovData 10B8B BadCRC } |
| 18:14.35 | [jasper] | :/ |
| 18:14.46 | socomm | owa: I'm thinking you might need to bind IPv6 to a different port for it to work |
| 18:14.51 | owa | socomm yeah thats not the problem, as i said it works when i restart sshd. im using a dirty fix atm, i put etc/init.d/ssh restart into rc.local but i dont like this at all |
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| 18:15.04 | owa | socomm nope, i have this setup on other boxes aswell |
| 18:15.18 | ivanshmakov | owa: How IPv6 is set up? What’s in interfaces(5). |
| 18:16.00 | ivanshmakov | owa: Is it possible that sshd starts before the interface acquires its IPv6 address? (As in: iface XXX inet6 auto.) |
| 18:16.01 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, my smart is now reporting allready 3 crc errors on one brand new disk |
| 18:16.21 | owa | ivanshmakov thats what im thinking about, but ips are set manually (no dhcp) |
| 18:16.32 | owa | i have iface eth0 inet6 static and then ip + gateway |
| 18:16.48 | owa | ipv4 and ipv6 both on eth0 |
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| 18:18.15 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: There may be an issue with cables (both interface and power), or power source, etc. |
| 18:18.33 | [jasper] | it's only 200 watt power supply... |
| 18:18.44 | ivanshmakov | owa: What’s the precise error message? |
| 18:18.49 | owa | ivanshmakov http://pastebin.com/m1XiSmng |
| 18:19.25 | owa | here you can see that it fails to bind properly, then my rc.local kicks in and restarts sshd service, booya it works |
| 18:21.23 | ivanshmakov | owa: No other ideas, alas. |
| 18:21.51 | [jasper] | it seems to be working now as I planned though ivanshmakov |
| 18:21.53 | [jasper] | quite happy with that |
| 18:22.08 | [jasper] | and thanks to you and jelly-home |
| 18:22.15 | [jasper] | so thank you both for your time and patience |
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| 18:22.46 | owa | lame :[ |
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| 18:23.29 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, do you know if I can give the chrooted environment the same hostname? |
| 18:23.31 | [jasper] | as the main system? |
| 18:23.35 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Still, my advice would be to switch to the “native” Debian 7 version as soon as possible. Running a service, especially one that requires /dev access, just doesn’t feel right to me. |
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| 18:23.58 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, you're completely right |
| 18:23.59 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Hostname is a property of the running kernel. One kernel = one hostname. |
| 18:24.31 | [jasper] | good...because I want my epic nas hostname to be the same on the chroot environment |
| 18:24.38 | [jasper] | it's called BlackMesa :P |
| 18:24.39 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: And one set of the IP addresses, for that matter. (Unless some LXC is employed.) |
| 18:24.49 | jelly-home | [jasper]: for extra points, set up an init script that brings up the chroot at boot time and tears it down at shutdown/reboot |
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| 18:25.18 | [jasper] | yeah. that's what I was working on jelly-home ..but then I need a script which doesn't need to be run as root I suppose |
| 18:25.36 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: I try to stick to hostnames 4 to 7 characters long, as these are easier to type. |
| 18:25.49 | jelly-home | well it will run as root anyway |
| 18:26.13 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Add the commands to start it all to /etc/rc.local. |
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| 18:26.36 | ivanshmakov | jelly-home: It’s not the chroot that needs to be started: it’s the service that lives in it. |
| 18:26.37 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, I wonder if it's a real problem that the system has access to sys / dev etc... |
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| 18:27.00 | [jasper] | since it's basically the same as if the system would be installed directly isn't it? |
| 18:27.03 | wojtas | owa: |
| 18:27.15 | owa | yes? |
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| 18:27.38 | wojtas | owa: im not in subject but do you have with ssh problem ? |
| 18:27.41 | jelly-home | ivanshmakov: bind mounts won't appear on their own |
| 18:27.47 | wojtas | owa: /oom_adj is deprecated ? |
| 18:28.17 | ivanshmakov | jelly-home: They surely will, as long as they’re done via /etc/fstab. |
| 18:28.55 | owa | im not sure what you are trying to tell me wojtas its a problem with it not binding to ipv6 on boot |
| 18:29.28 | wojtas | owa: ssh binds on ip4 ? |
| 18:29.33 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: It may become an issue should the “main” system try to manage the devices by itself. As long as the software from here and there do not try to manage the very same entities, whether “real” or “virtual,” it should be reasonably safe. |
| 18:29.33 | owa | yes |
| 18:29.36 | jelly-home | ivanshmakov: perhaps, but with lots of chrooted services that becomes less manageable than desired |
| 18:29.51 | owa | wojtas http://pastebin.com/m1XiSmng |
| 18:30.04 | wojtas | owa: This paste has been removed! |
| 18:30.06 | wojtas | :) |
| 18:30.18 | owa | http://pastebin.com/azE8fiB0 |
| 18:30.22 | owa | sorry new paste |
| 18:31.06 | [jasper] | jelly-home, the guys from openmediavault should just move to debian 7 |
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| 18:31.14 | [jasper] | it's ridiculous to program for debian 6 |
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| 18:33.05 | JordiGH | [jasper]: Oh, if only. |
| 18:33.10 | JordiGH | I have to compile Octave for RHEL 5. |
| 18:33.26 | JordiGH | "Enterprise" means "fossilised". And people are paying for it. |
| 18:33.27 | jelly-home | [jasper]: yeah, until that time you might want to use something like this: http://paste.debian.net/52777/ |
| 18:33.59 | jelly-home | [jasper]: an init script for some of my chrooted crap |
| 18:34.14 | [jasper] | looks good |
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| 18:34.31 | [jasper] | bookmarked it |
| 18:34.40 | [jasper] | I might reinstall this chrooted enviroment |
| 18:34.45 | jelly-home | it's going to expire in 24 hours |
| 18:34.50 | [jasper] | now that I'm more familiour with it |
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| 18:35.13 | [jasper] | because I just broke the system by removing postfix apparently |
| 18:35.30 | [jasper] | but I don't want postfix to run in my chrooted environment |
| 18:35.35 | [jasper] | so that's stuff I need to solve I guess |
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| 18:36.00 | wojtas | owa: do you have static IP? |
| 18:36.05 | jelly-home | [jasper]: use a small MTA like nullmailer or msmtp-mta |
| 18:36.18 | owa | wojtas yes |
| 18:36.42 | wojtas | owa: that supprice |
| 18:36.55 | owa | i know, this is why i ask for help |
| 18:37.15 | wojtas | owa: did you try to moove ssh in rc ? |
| 18:37.48 | owa | i added ssh restart to rc.local and then it works, but its not a clean solution |
| 18:37.49 | wojtas | owa: ssh start with S19 (normaly), mv it ro S21.. |
| 18:38.27 | ivanshmakov | jelly-home: Should I ever need to run a service from the Debian version other than that of the primary system, I’d certainly rather consider setting up a KVM environment. |
| 18:38.56 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, kvm environment? |
| 18:39.21 | jelly-home | ivanshmakov: full VM is a bit too expensive for me at this point |
| 18:39.25 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: $ apt-cache show qemu-kvm |
| 18:39.33 | [jasper] | ah virtual machines |
| 18:40.18 | ivanshmakov | jelly-home: How so? Do you use hardware lacking virtualization capabilities? |
| 18:40.21 | [jasper] | this system is supposed to become the backbone of my house :P |
| 18:40.27 | [jasper] | with 12 tb of storage |
| 18:40.36 | jelly-home | ivanshmakov: yes. Also there's not enough RAM |
| 18:41.00 | [jasper] | got 16gb of ram and 12tb of storage in this nas... |
| 18:41.07 | [jasper] | should be enough for now |
| 18:41.10 | [jasper] | with new haswell processor |
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| 18:41.28 | jelly-home | and then you go "fuck, let's install squeeze!" |
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| 18:41.41 | jelly-home | >.> |
| 18:42.14 | [jasper] | jelly-home, you know any other good nas software ? |
| 18:42.24 | [jasper] | I could offcourse set it all up myself...console based... |
| 18:42.33 | [jasper] | but stuff like email warnings for smart failures |
| 18:42.34 | [jasper] | etc |
| 18:42.37 | [jasper] | it's a LOT of work |
| 18:42.47 | jelly-home | I'd probably just bring up samba and nfs on Debian |
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| 18:43.23 | [jasper] | I'm still considering that option jelly-home |
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| 18:44.21 | [jasper] | but for some reason I kind of like this option of having everything in a seperate environment jelly-home |
| 18:44.36 | [jasper] | all the stuff related to the nas in a different environment etc |
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| 18:44.52 | [jasper] | too bad I need to share so much with it though |
| 18:45.31 | [jasper] | btw jelly-home ...do you know if I create a md0 ...with 2 mirrored disks...it takes 7 hours apparently to sync |
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| 18:45.44 | [jasper] | if I move these 2 disks to a different machine...would I then be able to use them in a raid setup? |
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| 18:45.55 | [jasper] | without needing to start over? |
| 18:46.12 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 18:48.46 | [jasper] | so this information is stored on the disks itself jelly-home ? |
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| 18:49.12 | txomon | hi, I am trying to put all experimental/sid/jessy sources in my sources.list, and configure apt to *always* ignore those sources but when I use -t |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 18:49.35 | abrotman | you can't even spell jessie correctly |
| 18:49.35 | jelly-home | [jasper]: yes |
| 18:49.48 | txomon | abrotman, (I was trying to recall) |
| 18:50.07 | abrotman | txomon: why do you think you wan tto do this? |
| 18:50.16 | jelly-home | he's elite |
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| 18:50.32 | jelly-home | and doesn't want to ask any more help in this channel |
| 18:50.33 | abrotman | oh, he should probably know how to do this then ... |
| 18:50.55 | jelly-home | probably just like it's set up here |
| 18:50.56 | txomon | abrotman, because I want to have some packages from sid available |
| 18:50.58 | jelly-home | OH SH |
| 18:51.21 | jelly-home | txomon: don't do that, make backportses |
| 18:53.04 | txomon | jelly-home, but may I do backports of everything I want? For example, I want ghdl, can't I just install it from sid? |
| 18:53.07 | jelly-home | (or do it but don't ask any questions about it in here) |
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| 18:53.25 | [jasper] | guys, what would you consider to be the best place to store chroots? /srv/ |
| 18:53.33 | [jasper] | or somewhere else? which place fits best? |
| 18:53.35 | jelly-home | txomon: sure you _can_, but don't expect help in here for such a system |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | [jasper]: wherever you'd like |
| 18:54.06 | txomon | which is the problem with doing it this way? |
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| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | txomon: sid packages will pull in sid dependencies, and you won't have "wheezy + 1 package extra", you're going to have "wheezy + sid libc6 + sid whatknowswhatelse" |
| 18:55.13 | jelly-home | which is a bit of a mess |
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| 19:01.34 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: My long-time preference is to have directories under /srv/chroot. |
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| 19:02.06 | [jasper] | yeah I'm gonna follow your lead there ivanshmakov |
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| 19:04.46 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, how do you know which options to enter on that /etc/fstab for proc/devpts/sys and dev? |
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| 19:07.04 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: That’s simple: proc requires no options, and as for /dev/pts and /sys, I’ve just checked /proc/mounts and verified what was there against mount(8). (Surely, I did it earlier, when making fstab(5) entries for my own chroots.) |
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| 19:08.02 | [jasper] | so dev = none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 19:08.08 | [jasper] | and I might as well remove devpts then right? |
| 19:08.13 | [jasper] | if I'm doing dev.... |
| 19:08.24 | [jasper] | so basically I need proc / sysfs and dev |
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| 19:10.17 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Not exactly; the ‘bind’ option isxnot recursive. |
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| 19:11.22 | [jasper] | oh, that's too bad |
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| 19:13.55 | ivanshmakov | [jasper]: Is it? Just a single extra fstab(5) entry, as it seems. |
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| 19:14.43 | t0ke | Debian keeps crashing on me (even with nothing open), how can I find the relevant logs? |
| 19:15.02 | xand | t0ke: define crashing? |
| 19:15.20 | xand | t0ke: and logs are in /var/log e.g. /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
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| 19:15.47 | t0ke | Instantly goes to a black screen with some white background, but I can't interact anyway (type or use the mouse) |
| 19:15.48 | somiaj | t0ke: what version of debian do you run? |
| 19:15.58 | t0ke | The latest, it's almost a clean install |
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| 19:16.17 | xand | it is possible the logs won't be written if it "crashes too hard" |
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| 19:16.35 | somiaj | t0ke: one thing is if something is crashing xorg, have an sshd server running, and see if you can ssh into your system, i.e. xorg can take out the monintor and keyboard but the system can still be running fine. |
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| 19:17.33 | somiaj | t0ke: you are running debian stable (wheezy) and having these issues. Have you installed any third party repos? You aren't mixing things. Crashes like that are rare and unless you are doing something unstandard, have very bleeding edge hardware it could almost be a hardware bug. I'd maybe run memtest86 and test your memory. |
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| 19:18.46 | t0ke | I installed Debian yesterday, and since then only installed a couple of different Desktop Environments and Window Managers |
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| 19:19.00 | t0ke | And i'm on a 2 yearish old laptop |
| 19:19.35 | t0ke | Sec, lemme find out how to watch memtest86 |
| 19:19.38 | somiaj | t0ke: you installed everything from the debian stable (Wheezy) repos and haven't installed stuff from random places? |
| 19:19.51 | t0ke | Yeah, that's correct |
| 19:19.53 | somiaj | t0ke: apt-get install memtest86 and then reboot should give you a boot option for it |
| 19:19.58 | somiaj | t0ke: what video card do you use? |
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| 19:20.36 | t0ke | Just integrated intel graphics I believe |
| 19:20.54 | babilen | t0ke: Well, show us /var/log/apt/history.log , /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors -- Did this start happening after installing/removing a specific desktop envioronment (or other package). What did you do between "it works" and "it is broken" ? |
| 19:20.59 | kelpie | t0ke: download newest memtest86, put .img in /boot and in the grub hit "c" type kernel /boot/img_name.img, boot |
| 19:22.08 | kelpie | s/kernel/linux |
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| 19:22.51 | somiaj | t0ke: yea follow babilen advise and share some logs, but unless you did something to cause a conflict it sounds like a hardware error to me |
| 19:23.02 | kelpie | guys I have a stupid question is it possible to compile this on 64 bit system? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/flashplugin-10/ |
| 19:23.04 | t0ke | Okay, i'll try booting memtest, brb |
| 19:23.31 | babilen | t0ke: And what do you mean by "instantly" ? Does it happen as soon as you've selected a kernel? Or are you talking about starting Xorg? |
| 19:23.35 | babilen | argh, too slow |
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| 19:24.24 | somiaj | kelpie: why do you not want to use the 64 bit flashplugin-nonfree package that debian provides? |
| 19:24.48 | kelpie | somiaj: 11 version? it's broken all the way |
| 19:25.41 | somiaj | it works just fine here, and I would trust the security on it better. Note in either case the flashplugin binary is provided from adobe. All these linux packages do is automate putting that binary on your system, it actually isn't compiled |
| 19:25.59 | kelpie | somiaj: it doesn't have gpu acceleration |
| 19:26.10 | somiaj | you can of course go find a binary for the version you want and put it in $HOME/ somewhere, if it is a 32bit binary you need to run it using a 32bit browser |
| 19:26.26 | kelpie | it brokes audio stream on pulseaudio, trust me I need 10.3 |
| 19:26.57 | somiaj | so yes you can copy that 32bit binary onto your system, but then use multiarch to install 32bit versions of your browsers. Note I'm unsure how well the gpu acceleration will work with multiarch, but I'd think if you had the 32bit libs installed it would be fine |
| 19:27.19 | kelpie | I already have 10.3.162-29 version but I'd like to have lastest 10.3 version possible |
| 19:27.49 | kelpie | which is 10.3.183.90 |
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| 19:28.12 | somiaj | go download it form adobe and put in in your $HOME, you can read plugins from there just fine. |
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| 19:28.48 | somiaj | that would be my suggestion. Again this really isn't supported by #debian but I use to have to do that for my flash plugin before the nice flashplugin-nonfree package did the work for me |
| 19:29.39 | abax | hi people. how can i change the keyboard layout in text mode console in debian? i don't have X. i tried googling and running dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and booting the machine but still no change in the layout |
| 19:29.43 | kelpie | adobe provides only this 10.3.162-29 version I already have as far as I can tell |
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| 19:30.29 | kelpie | abax: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout |
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| 19:30.57 | kelpie | ah sorry didn't read all |
| 19:31.08 | [jasper] | ivanshmakov, do you know what this package scponly does? |
| 19:31.15 | [jasper] | it's a dependency of openmediavault |
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| 19:31.43 | kelpie | abax: you sure /etc/default/keyboard changed after reconfigure? |
| 19:31.53 | [jasper] | it asks me if I want to install the chrooted binary /usr/sbin/scponlyc suid root |
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| 19:33.21 | abax | kelpie: yes. it says XKBLAYOUT="fi" there |
| 19:33.21 | jhutchins | jasonwert: scponly is a pseudo shell that attempts to restrict users from gaining shell access when they have ssh access for file transfers. I believe it has some serious flaws and has been dropped from RHEL. |
| 19:33.38 | jhutchins | [jasper]: Above was for you, sorry jasonwert |
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| 19:33.50 | halfie | hi, I was wondering how you guys invoke "libfaketime" during the build process? is there a package / script which is responsible for this? |
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| 19:34.21 | [jasper] | thanks jhutchins |
| 19:34.30 | halfie | (I am not running Debian right now, so I can't just grep ;( |
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| 19:34.43 | jhutchins | [jasper]: Doesn't seem like it should be suid though. |
| 19:35.00 | jhutchins | [jasper]: It should run as the user that's using it. Let me check. |
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| 19:36.20 | jhutchins | [jasper]: It's not suid on my system that has it. |
| 19:36.39 | jhutchins | [jasper]: Where did you get the openmediavault package? |
| 19:37.22 | [jasper] | from their site |
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| 19:37.45 | martin-_- | i have noticed that iceweasel on debian sid is much faster as google chrome :O |
| 19:38.09 | [jasper] | hmm, for some reason I can't get collectd working |
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| 19:38.33 | [jasper] | invoke-rc.d: initscript collectd, action "restart" failed |
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| 19:38.48 | [jasper] | dpkg: error processing collectd(--configure): |
| 19:38.49 | dpkg | [jasper]: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:40.55 | jhutchins | [jasper]: https://github.com/scponly/scponly/wiki/Install |
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| 19:41.59 | brontosaurusrex | a nice terminal app to search google and get results back to terminal would be? (like: www.link1.com | short description) |
| 19:42.11 | [jasper] | getting this erro: http://pastebin.com/JdRT19Vf |
| 19:42.13 | [jasper] | anyone got a clue? |
| 19:42.17 | [jasper] | thx jhutchins |
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| 19:42.21 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: lynx? |
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| 19:43.02 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins, I would need to parse raw html to get www style of links that would be directly clickable in terminal ... |
| 19:43.15 | brontosaurusrex | so its work ... |
| 19:43.47 | brontosaurusrex | but yes, this is a start: links2 -dump https://www.google.com/search?q=debian |
| 19:44.41 | brontosaurusrex | actually not www, i need http:// |
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| 19:46.06 | [jasper] | having problems with getting collectd working |
| 19:46.17 | [jasper] | initscript collectd, action "start" failed |
| 19:46.23 | [jasper] | anyone got a clue where to start looking? |
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| 19:46.46 | [jasper] | ah might have found it |
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| 19:47.02 | jhutchins | [jasper]: Looks like maybe you need to configure it. |
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| 19:47.50 | [jasper] | no...the hostname wasn't correctly configured |
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| 19:47.59 | [jasper] | that was what was causing the issue |
| 19:48.24 | monoglets | I'm having failed login problem to connect to pop3, smtp etc.. my logs are here http://paste.debian.net/52818/ I apreciate any help , thank you |
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| 19:51.50 | jhutchins | monoglets: What client are you using to log in? I presume you're only testing, there's no need to use pop3 on a local syste,. |
| 19:51.53 | jhutchins | m |
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| 19:52.17 | ctmjr | .3+ |
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| 19:56.25 | jhutchins | monoglets: So I'm guessing from that you're trying to use pop3 for roundcube. I haven't seen that done before; I have seen imap. It looks like roundcube isn't passing the correct auth to pop3. |
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| 19:56.53 | martin-_- | steam on debian sid does not work dpkg |
| 19:57.52 | monoglets | jhutchins no, I tried by hands, using telnet.. I'm testing to look if the conf is working properly |
| 19:58.09 | martin-_- | error dependency is not staisfiable: jockey-common dpkg |
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| 19:58.26 | grimeton | martin-_-: apt-get -f install |
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| 19:59.34 | martin-_- | grimeton, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 63 not upgraded. |
| 19:59.39 | martin-_- | with apt-get install -f |
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| 19:59.48 | grimeton | martin-_-: install the package, wait for the error, then run apt-get -f install |
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| 20:00.01 | martin-_- | there is no jockey-common package in debian |
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| 20:00.30 | martin-_- | should i install steam_latest.deb with dpkg -i ? |
| 20:01.16 | grimeton | i wonder if it's for debian or ubuntu |
| 20:02.07 | grimeton | i'd say it's for ubuntu |
| 20:02.09 | martin-_- | grimeton, Jockey is used to install and configure third party drivers. It is present on my Linux Mint 13 system. I am guessing that it is not present on your system because you are using the Debian base and Jockey is a Ubuntu program. So only the Ubuntu based versions would have it. |
| 20:02.32 | martin-_- | source http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130521004151AAe4tV9 |
| 20:02.40 | grimeton | aaaaaand? |
| 20:02.52 | jelly-home | martin-_-: are you using the packaged steam available in non-free repo? |
| 20:02.57 | jelly-home | !steam |
| 20:02.57 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:03.20 | martin-_- | jelly-home, no |
| 20:03.26 | martin-_- | but i got the non-free repo |
| 20:03.29 | jelly-home | martin-_-: why? |
| 20:03.47 | martin-_- | didn't know that debian provides steam in the repositories |
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| 20:04.57 | martin-_- | jelly-home, is it possible that steam-launcher is only in debian wheelzy? |
| 20:05.06 | martin-_- | i got debian sid here |
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| 20:05.47 | [jasper] | jelly-home, if I put a script in /etc/rc2.d it should be run after boot right? |
| 20:06.33 | jelly-home | [jasper]: hopefully not the script itself but a symlink named S??foo |
| 20:06.39 | [jasper] | yes |
| 20:06.41 | [jasper] | a symlink |
| 20:06.45 | [jasper] | but it doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 20:06.54 | [jasper] | I called it S98openmediavault |
| 20:06.55 | jelly-home | martin-_-: negative, it's present in testing and sid |
| 20:07.00 | [jasper] | but for some reason it doesn't get loaded |
| 20:07.03 | jelly-home | ,v steam |
| 20:07.04 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2 |
| 20:07.53 | [jasper] | any bright ideas jelly-home ? |
| 20:08.19 | jelly-home | [jasper]: not really, I'll let someone else answer |
| 20:08.53 | martin-_- | hm strange http://paste.debian.net/52840/ |
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| 20:13.57 | Benkinooby | hi, how precise is df when measuring fs usage? |
| 20:14.08 | grimeton | Benkinooby: byte |
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| 20:14.27 | grimeton | Benkinooby: depending on the output you set |
| 20:14.33 | grimeton | blocks, bytes, kbytes, mbytes... |
| 20:14.36 | Benkinooby | grimeton: ok. |
| 20:14.44 | Benkinooby | grimeton: default is 1024 byte blocks |
| 20:14.57 | Benkinooby | how can df be so fast and precise? |
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| 20:15.01 | grimeton | the block size depends on the underlying fs |
| 20:15.18 | grimeton | it asks the fs? |
| 20:15.27 | jbraeg | Benkinooby: do you mean "how accurate is df"? |
| 20:15.54 | Benkinooby | grimeton: so something is keeping track of every little change? |
| 20:16.16 | Benkinooby | jbraeg: well i thought since df is so fast it might just juse some rough estimate... |
| 20:16.19 | grimeton | Benkinooby: yeah, the filesystem does (it has to) |
| 20:16.24 | grimeton | o |
| 20:16.35 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 20:16.49 | grimeton | if the filesystem doesn't remember the allocated blocks you're in big trouble |
| 20:17.02 | Benkinooby | obviously, now that you say it |
| 20:17.04 | grimeton | go ask eric |
| 20:17.29 | zeta- | If the filesystem doesn't know ... who does? |
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| 20:17.39 | Benkinooby | but i thought it is enough to find the blocks again.. so no need to exactly know how many |
| 20:18.02 | grimeton | Benkinooby: maybe you want to read how a FAT works |
| 20:18.16 | Benkinooby | probably :) |
| 20:18.32 | jbraeg | Benkinooby: it's pretty accurate -- the exception is on open file handles |
| 20:18.56 | Benkinooby | well, i came up with that question because i use dirvish for backups. it does some hardlink magic and baobab, du and some others all give me different results |
| 20:19.02 | Benkinooby | so i resorted to df |
| 20:19.17 | grimeton | links are usually the size of one block/inode |
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| 20:20.00 | Benkinooby | that would explain a lot |
| 20:20.30 | grimeton | e.g. on my xfs filesystem a block has 4096 bytes so a link has 4096 bytes |
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| 20:21.19 | Benkinooby | my backups (i backup home, but exclude all kind of tmp folders, roughly 8GB) take about 800-900 MB per backup. and all i do is some mail, docs, textfiles |
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| 20:21.27 | Benkinooby | dropbox uses a lot |
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| 20:21.46 | grimeton | hm |
| 20:21.48 | Benkinooby | but i thought that 800 MB is a bit much |
| 20:21.52 | Benkinooby | but on the other hand |
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| 20:21.55 | grimeton | i wonder if this is really because of links |
| 20:22.04 | Benkinooby | let me count the files |
| 20:22.07 | Benkinooby | 1 sec |
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| 20:23.21 | Benkinooby | Number of files: 56085 |
| 20:23.29 | Benkinooby | that's what the log of dirvish says |
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| 20:23.37 | Benkinooby | Number of files transferred: 342 |
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| 20:23.49 | grimeton | what can happen is that the displayed (!) size of the link is counted by one tool |
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| 20:24.09 | grimeton | because the displayed (!) size is the length of the path it points to |
| 20:24.13 | simba_ | hi guys, i've some problem compiling a kernel module, this one http://goo.gl/1cfMn (ambrosa driver for a realtek dvb usb antenna), it can't find an include file, but it seems that is correctly included in the Makefile (with EXTRA_CFLAGS). Can i use some "verbose" mode of the kbuild system to see all gcc line? |
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| 20:24.44 | Benkinooby | grimeton: i considered that |
| 20:24.51 | Benkinooby | but df shouldn |
| 20:24.54 | Benkinooby | 't do that |
| 20:25.12 | grimeton | hm are those soft or hard links? |
| 20:25.18 | grimeton | even there are differences in space usage |
| 20:25.32 | Benkinooby | hardlinks |
| 20:25.40 | Benkinooby | it creats the illusion of full backups |
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| 20:25.42 | grimeton | simba_: i don't see an error message in your link |
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| 20:26.24 | Benkinooby | grimeton: anyway, i got to go. but thank you for your interest. i will leave dropbox turned off for a day or two, and see, if that has an implact. i suspect dropbox to be the culprit |
| 20:26.50 | simba_ | grimeton, no that is the module. This is the error http://pastebin.com/62Tw88EJ |
| 20:26.57 | Benkinooby | grimeton: thank you for your help |
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| 20:29.17 | grimeton | Benkinooby: maybe you can run find /path/to/backuppath/ -printf "%s %h%s" | sort -gr |
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| 20:29.51 | grimeton | Benkinooby: maybe you can run find /path/to/backuppath/ -printf "%s %h%f" | sort -gr |
| 20:31.33 | zeta- | I'm wanting to write some deb packages -- initially just for me, but could be useful. Do I need a local source defined, and work in there, or just start in a directory independent of aptitude? |
| 20:31.35 | zeta- | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ doesn't seem to explain how to define a local source. |
| 20:31.58 | simba_ | grimeton, this is the Makefile, http://goo.gl/FDsENw. Cant figure out why it can't find the file :S |
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| 20:32.49 | grimeton | simba_: is dvb-usb.h part of the tarball that contains the source? |
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| 20:33.23 | simba_ | grimeton, yes. It is in the include-3** directories |
| 20:33.51 | grimeton | simba_: then it looks to me like there is an include statement missing or something |
| 20:33.58 | grimeton | or an include path |
| 20:34.27 | simba_ | grimeton, it seems to me also but if you look is in the Makefile, line 7 and 31 |
| 20:35.02 | grimeton | simba_: yeah i wonder if include-300 is enough |
| 20:35.12 | grimeton | depending on where in the filesystem the compiler is, it won't find it |
| 20:35.14 | grimeton | add a full path |
| 20:35.17 | grimeton | just for testing |
| 20:35.23 | simba_ | grimeton, ok |
| 20:36.50 | grimeton | zeta-: tried the file:///url? |
| 20:37.12 | grimeton | zeta-: the info is part of the .dsc file |
| 20:37.19 | grimeton | zeta-: let me check on my openldap builts |
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| 20:37.49 | zeta- | grimeton: yes got that in the sources list |
| 20:38.13 | zeta- | not got a .dsc file yet |
| 20:38.25 | simba_ | grimeton, yes. with full path it works. |
| 20:38.45 | grimeton | simba_: then compile it that way or start fiddling with a relative path |
| 20:39.14 | simba_ | grimeton, well I will compile this way. Can be some problem with expansion of $(PWD) ? |
| 20:39.16 | jelly-home | martin-_-: please read what dpkg said about steam, above |
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| 20:39.42 | zeta- | Is ,dsc part of the pkg or part of the repo? |
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| 20:39.55 | grimeton | zeta-: the dsc is built together with the package |
| 20:40.04 | grimeton | zeta-: the source is put into the rules file |
| 20:40.22 | jelly-home | martin-_-: primarily, the package name is just "steam" for a 32bit installation, or "steam:i386" on an amd64 installation |
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| 20:41.06 | grimeton | zeta-: but there is no direct way to let the build download a source tarball from a server if you're talking about that |
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| 20:41.47 | grimeton | simba_: don't know, but don't think so |
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| 20:42.38 | zeta- | grimeton: No, I'm just setting up dev environment to modify a pkg |
| 20:43.05 | ledoktre | greetings :) Has anyone in here yet installed proftpd-basic and setup ftpes (mod_tls)? mod_tls.so does exist under /usr/lib/proftpd, but cannot seem to get it to load... Anyone know where to start? |
| 20:43.06 | grimeton | zeta-: then use apt-get source to get all sources |
| 20:43.17 | ledoktre | Im on Debian Wheezy by the way..... |
| 20:43.27 | grimeton | ledoktre: start by installing vsftp ;) |
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| 20:44.25 | waq | Hi, |
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| 20:45.18 | waq | a quick question. Is there a particular reason why ethtool installs in a different location everytime I install o.0 most times the binary is in /sbin/ethtool |
| 20:45.44 | zeta- | grimeton: got the source -- should I put it in a local repo? or just work in current dir? |
| 20:46.13 | grimeton | zeta-: if you got it with apt-get source and got the dpkg dev package installed it extracted and prepared the whole directory for you |
| 20:46.22 | grimeton | all you have todo is to change the stuff you need and then rebuild the package |
| 20:46.30 | ledoktre | grimeton: vsftp? You must not like proftpd? |
| 20:46.34 | jhutchins | waq: Where else do you see it? |
| 20:46.47 | grimeton | ledoktre: it works, does all the tricks, and isn't a root kit |
| 20:46.50 | sk1pper | hi, which repo do i need for installing fabric on wheezy? |
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| 20:47.18 | ledoktre | grimeton: fair enough. I can give it a try. Never used the soft before… Hoping its not too tough to get on :) |
| 20:47.28 | zeta- | grimeton: Ok cool, thanks |
| 20:47.30 | grimeton | ledoktre: install it and done |
| 20:47.37 | martin-_- | thanks jelly-home i had to enable multiarch |
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| 20:48.31 | bbtech | Is there a way to get a better context menu when right clicking in an open dialog? |
| 20:48.47 | pkug | hi there, how would one update xfce 4.8 to 4.10 from backports ? |
| 20:49.02 | zeta- | deletes local repo |
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| 20:52.44 | bbtech | is the open dialog an xfce thing or a thunar thing? |
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| 20:54.22 | jhutchins | !xfce |
| 20:54.22 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:54.49 | jhutchins | !tell pkug about install xfce |
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| 20:57.27 | zeta- | pkug: is 4.10 in backports? it's in jessie (testing) |
| 20:58.22 | DammitJim | I am performing an fsck to a partition |
| 20:58.54 | DammitJim | it hasn't updated anything on the terminal since it did an Inode 6424544 was part of the orphaned inode list. FIXED |
| 20:59.03 | DammitJim | is there a way to check the progress? |
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| 20:59.30 | zeta- | DammitJim: HD led |
| 20:59.34 | zeta- | ? |
| 20:59.46 | DammitJim | I don't have physical access to the device |
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| 21:00.23 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Find something else to do. A watched fsck never completes. |
| 21:00.42 | jhutchins | ,versions xfce4 |
| 21:00.43 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 21:00.58 | DammitJim | LOL... that's what I was afraid of jhutchins ... ok, it just updated with Inode 25396643 |
| 21:00.59 | jhutchins | Doesn't look like it is backported. |
| 21:01.06 | pkug | damn, that's one fine strong channel :) |
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| 21:02.03 | grimeton | DammitJim: if in doubt there is always vmstat |
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| 21:05.00 | DammitJim | vmstat? |
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| 21:07.13 | grimeton | vmstat |
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| 21:21.06 | malinus | Hello. Because my vps is so small, I need to compile some things in a VM running the same kernal(?)/distro as my VPS. So the distro I'm running on the vps is Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy) on "linux version 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze3)". |
| 21:21.26 | malinus | Looking at the download page of debian, I really can't seem to find it http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 21:24.39 | jhutchins | malinus: You're looking at the CD images, you need to look at the package repositories. Why not just google the whole thing? |
| 21:26.27 | malinus | jhutchins, I don't understand? How can I be looking for a package? |
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| 21:27.32 | DammitJim | oh man, if I exit the ssh connection |
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| 21:27.38 | DammitJim | the fsck will stop, right? |
| 21:27.57 | DammitJim | is there any way to transfer it to "screen" |
| 21:28.07 | DammitJim | or something like that so I don't loose or mess up any of the fsck work? |
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| 21:31.13 | nevyn | DammitJim: yes but there's no way to get it back.. (you can disown the process) but it'll be detached from any tty |
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| 21:31.28 | DammitJim | nevyn, can I re-tach it? |
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| 21:31.29 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 21:31.40 | DammitJim | even so, how do I disown the process so I can let it finish? |
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| 21:31.49 | DammitJim | or what is recommended in this case? |
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| 21:32.01 | DammitJim | I'm ssh'd into the box and I'm running fsck |
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| 21:33.11 | jhutchins | DammitJim: The only ways I know of require advance prep, like starting it with nohup or in screen. |
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| 21:33.37 | DammitJim | jhutchins, yup, that's what I should have done |
| 21:33.41 | zeta- | DammitJim: can you just use another tty to do other stuff? |
| 21:33.51 | Benkinooby | grimeton: back :) your command gave me lot's of text. i guess you wanted to list the files sorted by size? |
| 21:33.54 | ectospasm | if you're logging into any system via SSH, using screen or tmux is always advisable. |
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| 21:34.04 | enthdegree | hello all |
| 21:34.11 | DammitJim | zeta-, I'm leaving and have to disconnect the laptop |
| 21:34.13 | enthdegree | i just ran the debian installer on my portable hard drive and it won't boot |
| 21:34.21 | DammitJim | I know, silly me... I should have known that this process would take a while |
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| 21:34.36 | minimeme | hi |
| 21:34.43 | jhutchins | DammitJim: "disown" might do what you need. |
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| 21:34.57 | enthdegree | net zplitz |
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| 21:35.56 | DammitJim | wow, this HDD might be toast |
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| 21:36.02 | minimeme | help me please -> http://pastebin.com/isR9QH2n |
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| 21:36.27 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Agreed on the HD. Disown is described in the bash manapage, and I think it will do what you want. |
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| 21:36.43 | DammitJim | jhutchins, thanks... I'm reading up on it |
| 21:36.44 | zeta- | DammitJim: nevyn seemed to imply it would complete, at least ... |
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| 21:37.02 | DammitJim | the terminal is currently printing the Block bitmap differences and there are a lot |
| 21:37.12 | jhutchins | DammitJim: http://xmodulo.com/2013/04/how-to-detach-linux-process-from-shell.html |
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| 21:37.42 | jhutchins | Ctrl-Z, bg, disown <jobnumber>. |
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| 21:37.47 | DammitJim | Ctrl + Z to interrupt it? |
| 21:37.47 | grimeton | Benkinooby: you wanted that to see what files use most of the space in your backup |
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| 21:38.05 | malinus | rephrase: Because my vps is so small, I need to compile some things in a VM running the same kernal(?)/distro as my VPS. So the distro I'm running on the vps is Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy) on "linux version 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze3)". I located the package (?!) at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64/download ... So what am I supposed to do here? Do I just install whichever of the 15 d |
| 21:38.05 | malinus | ebian 7 |
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| 21:39.38 | minimeme | please anyone? |
| 21:39.48 | DammitJim | seems like that did the trick |
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| 21:39.55 | DammitJim | I'll read up on how to re-attach it |
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| 21:40.01 | DammitJim | or how to check the status of the fsck |
| 21:40.01 | Benkinooby | grimeton: exactly. but you command flooded my screen with text. also i susepect it can not deal with hardlinks |
| 21:40.31 | grimeton | Benkinooby: there is always more or less |
| 21:40.50 | Benkinooby | yes |
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| 21:41.52 | Benkinooby | but the problem is, that my biggest files are usually quite static. so it is quite difficult to find the bigges file of those updated |
| 21:41.54 | DammitJim | no re-attaching |
| 21:41.55 | DammitJim | oh well |
| 21:41.55 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 21:42.01 | Benkinooby | grimeton: but i found the solution |
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| 21:42.04 | Benkinooby | gt5 |
| 21:42.06 | grimeton | damentz: hm? |
| 21:42.09 | qwebirc11561 | is there any games-related repository for debian? |
| 21:42.14 | grimeton | er |
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| 21:45.03 | zeta- | qwebirc11561: ... there are games, yes |
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| 21:45.34 | Benkinooby | qwebirc11561: what kind of games are you looking for? |
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| 21:46.44 | Benkinooby | minimeme: you have to give a bit more information. what do you want to do? |
| 21:47.01 | minimeme | Benkinooby: im trying to bring it up for starters so i can set it as master mode |
| 21:47.06 | enthdegree | Hello all |
| 21:47.09 | minimeme | and run hostapd |
| 21:47.11 | enthdegree | Debian won't boot after installation |
| 21:47.26 | enthdegree | The installer said installation completed successfully |
| 21:47.33 | Benkinooby | minimeme: now we're talking :) what else did you already try? |
| 21:47.34 | enthdegree | but when I reboot the screen just goes black |
| 21:47.50 | minimeme | Benkinooby: ive removed the software blocking |
| 21:48.01 | minimeme | it was running minutes ago but dont know what happened |
| 21:48.06 | minimeme | maybe some udev issue |
| 21:48.15 | Benkinooby | minimeme: ah ok, so it worked before?` |
| 21:48.45 | enthdegree | The partitions look like this: http://hastebin.com/nenajumoto.hs |
| 21:49.04 | minimeme | Benkinooby: ya |
| 21:49.11 | minimeme | now ive removed this card and tried another one |
| 21:49.19 | Benkinooby | minimeme: in that case use 'dmesg' or look at your syslog and your kernel log in /var/run |
| 21:49.27 | Benkinooby | minimeme: oh, ok. differnet model? |
| 21:50.00 | minimeme | http://pastebin.com/hHK0RU41 |
| 21:50.04 | minimeme | i have this Benkinooby |
| 21:50.11 | minimeme | Benkinooby: -> http://pastebin.com/hHK0RU41 |
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| 21:50.57 | Benkinooby | grimeton: 650 MB from thunderbird. problem is, it stores everything in big files (mbox) - as soon as i get one single, small, mail -> fat file will be fully backed up |
| 21:51.07 | minimeme | but it should have loaded zd1211rw properly |
| 21:51.08 | Benkinooby | grimeton: mistery solved |
| 21:51.16 | grimeton | Benkinooby: see, that easy ;) |
| 21:51.20 | Benkinooby | grimeton: so now i'll see what i can do about thuderbird |
| 21:51.26 | Benkinooby | grimeton: gt5 did the trick |
| 21:51.34 | grimeton | Benkinooby: i think only dedup will help you |
| 21:51.46 | Benkinooby | grimeton: dedup? |
| 21:51.50 | grimeton | Benkinooby: deduplication |
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| 21:54.04 | Benkinooby | minimeme: hm. i think you know as much as i do, so i don't think i can help you further. all i can do is to tell you to follow the "standard" procedures. use lspci and lshw and such things, get the fitting modules, maybe blacklist some, and get that thing up. maybe you can find some1 with more expereicne. i usually get things to wirk with 50% guessing |
| 21:54.24 | enthdegree | Debian keeps installing as if this is a GPT disk but I want it to install as a MBR disk |
| 21:54.25 | minimeme | hey |
| 21:54.31 | enthdegree | how do I force the Debian installer to do that!!?!!? |
| 21:54.40 | minimeme | Benkinooby: i have an integrated wifi card also how can i list it? im not able to |
| 21:54.42 | enthdegree | I've installed like 5 times now and every time it does this |
| 21:54.49 | Benkinooby | grimeton: no it's not that. the point is: if a file changes, it get's backed up as a whole. so even a little change to a big file will cause big backup volumen |
| 21:55.19 | grimeton | yeah, but deduplication takes care of this under the hood |
| 21:55.24 | Benkinooby | minimeme: any hints in 'lspci' or "lshw"? |
| 21:55.58 | Benkinooby | grimeton: is that implemented on fs-level or what? |
| 21:56.00 | jhutchins | !gpt |
| 21:56.01 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 21:56.14 | grimeton | Benkinooby: yes, on some FSs it is |
| 21:56.30 | Benkinooby | grimeton: well, i use ext2 currently on my backup hdd |
| 21:56.54 | minimeme | which package for lshw Benkinooby ? |
| 21:56.57 | grimeton | hm yeah, not in that case |
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| 21:57.31 | Benkinooby | grimeton: i think i will start to split the big file. after all, i want my backups to be a bit primitve too, so that there are no trouble accessing them when sh*t hits the fan |
| 21:57.35 | minimeme | found it |
| 21:57.56 | Benkinooby | grimeton: apart from that little-change-big-file dirvish does a great job |
| 21:58.18 | Benkinooby | minimeme: try to find out, what wifi card that is |
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| 21:59.21 | grimeton | Benkinooby: i still do full backups ... don't like the linking around stuff |
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| 22:00.12 | Benkinooby | grimeton: hm, maybe have a look at dirvish. it is a nice balance between stupid copy/paste and some heavy-weight enterprise backup-solutions |
| 22:00.20 | Benkinooby | grimeton: it is rsync based |
| 22:00.50 | grimeton | Benkinooby: i'm happy with my solution, so no need to change - but thanks for mentioning it |
| 22:01.04 | Benkinooby | :) |
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| 22:02.35 | biberao | oosp closed by misktae |
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| 22:04.15 | Benkinooby | grimeton: maildir would be much better than mbox |
| 22:04.36 | grimeton | not on ntfs |
| 22:05.27 | Benkinooby | grimeton: i don'T have ntfs. also i was refering to my backup/disk usage problem. if all my messages were stored in separate files my backups would shrink a lot |
| 22:05.42 | grimeton | Benkinooby: yeah, but thunderbird isn't only running on your machine |
| 22:06.17 | Benkinooby | grimeton: oh yes... forgot ;) |
| 22:06.34 | Benkinooby | there are even attempts for thunderbird using maildir |
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| 22:07.08 | Benkinooby | not sure if i want to toy with that, just to save seom MB at backups... |
| 22:07.26 | grimeton | there is this other trick, called imap |
| 22:07.33 | biberao | Benkinooby: made it work :) |
| 22:07.52 | enthdegree | how much lsower will it be to install via graphical vs via text? |
| 22:08.30 | Benkinooby | grimeton: i have some accounts where the provider only rolls with pop |
| 22:08.58 | Benkinooby | biberao: you did! nice one :) do you still have the link at hand you followed? |
| 22:09.07 | grimeton | Benkinooby: yeah, life is full of disappointments |
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| 22:09.41 | biberao | Benkinooby: i didnt follow any link hehe |
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| 22:10.04 | biberao | funny it starts radius by itself |
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| 22:10.53 | Benkinooby | biberao: uhmmm. what are you talking about. |
| 22:11.07 | Benkinooby | biberao: are you sure i am who you think i am? |
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| 22:11.31 | biberao | Benkinooby: i was minimeme |
| 22:11.34 | biberao | or whatever the nick was |
| 22:11.38 | Benkinooby | biberao: ah ok :) |
| 22:13.28 | Benkinooby | biberao: so everything is ok now? |
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| 22:13.46 | Benkinooby | grimeton: also, imap also stores in big files |
| 22:14.05 | biberao | nope |
| 22:14.07 | biberao | sort of |
| 22:14.46 | Neodyme | h |
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| 22:16.11 | Pei | is there any way to flush the dns without a reboot? |
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| 22:17.18 | geggam_ | do hunh Pei ? |
| 22:17.28 | Pei | flush dns cache |
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| 22:17.36 | grimeton | Pei: what are you using as dns cache? |
| 22:17.48 | Pei | nothing i guess :P |
| 22:17.50 | geggam_ | restart the application or dns caching server |
| 22:17.51 | monoglets | I configured postfix properly, and I can send email, but I'm not receiving.. I believe it's dns configuration.. what I need to set up to have it properly configured? |
| 22:17.56 | Pei | oh |
| 22:17.58 | geggam_ | applications tend to keep their own cache |
| 22:18.02 | Pei | thought the kernel flushed ddns |
| 22:18.10 | grimeton | monoglets: you want to read about how mail works before setting up a public mail server |
| 22:18.11 | Maleckii | Pei: there isn't a dns cache unless you install/configure one |
| 22:18.18 | grimeton | monoglets: and you want to read about open relays |
| 22:18.35 | mumpitzel | monoglets: how do you know you don't receive? |
| 22:18.50 | geggam_ | odds are isp wont let him send receive email grimeton |
| 22:19.05 | geggam_ | you have to have business class internet to get port 25 open |
| 22:19.21 | grimeton | geggam_: maybe in your part of the world |
| 22:19.27 | geggam_ | US |
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| 22:19.37 | monoglets | mumpitzel, dont appears on inbox |
| 22:19.40 | Maleckii | geggam_: how common is that? my ISP allows incoming port 25, and i'm in the US |
| 22:19.48 | grimeton | i stopped answering questions about mail when i see that people don't really have an idea about what they are doing |
| 22:19.51 | geggam_ | quite common Maleckii |
| 22:19.57 | grimeton | especially when it comes to email and servers it's a real problem |
| 22:20.31 | geggam_ | att dsl blocks it... comcast residential does too |
| 22:20.34 | Maleckii | grimeton: that's because setting up a mail server is harder than something like a web server. |
| 22:20.35 | Pei | yes quite common |
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| 22:20.40 | Pei | cox blocks it |
| 22:20.40 | Maleckii | grimeton: there's a lot of parts |
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| 22:21.16 | grimeton | Maleckii: i know, because i know how it all belongs together |
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| 22:21.35 | grimeton | that's why i saw that there is some lack of information on monoglets side |
| 22:22.19 | biberao | anyone knows if its possible to disable on hostapd any means of authentication? |
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| 22:22.54 | mumpitzel | monoglets: ssh to a system outside of your LAN and then try to telnet to port 25 on your mailserver |
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| 22:26.37 | KaaK | anyone with sbuild experiance? i've got a package building with sbuild, and it fails to sign my changes file after the build completes successfully. however, when i manually sign the changes file after sbuild exits, it works just fine .... |
| 22:26.42 | monoglets | mumpitzel, unable to connect my friend |
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| 22:27.01 | KaaK | debsign: Can't find or can't read changes file <package>.changes! |
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| 22:27.33 | Maleckii | monoglets: well, that's why you can't get mail. no one is able to connect to your server to send it. |
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| 22:28.15 | mumpitzel | monoglets: then either you haven't port forwarded port 25 from your router or your ISP blocks port 25 inbound |
| 22:28.20 | monoglets | Maleckii, what you think is the problem? why can I send? |
| 22:28.26 | monoglets | there is no firewall |
| 22:28.45 | mumpitzel | I didn't write anything about a firewall. but a router with NAT |
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| 22:29.06 | Maleckii | monoglets: as mumpitzel said, either your ISP is blocking it, or you don't have NAT set up properly, or you don't have your SMTP server configured properly |
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| 22:30.47 | monoglets | how should be the nat rules you mean Maleckii |
| 22:30.49 | monoglets | ? |
| 22:31.04 | Maleckii | monoglets: well, do you have a router? |
| 22:31.26 | monoglets | not its a virtual machine server |
| 22:31.58 | Maleckii | ok, so you're setting this up on a VPS somewhere? |
| 22:32.06 | monoglets | exactly |
| 22:32.22 | Maleckii | oh. well in that case, ignore what i said earlier. |
| 22:32.38 | monoglets | ok |
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| 22:34.11 | Maleckii | monoglets: does ss -nl | grep :25 show the server is listening? |
| 22:34.14 | monoglets | so my smtp server seems to be right configurated like pop using courier... I believe if I can send I could receive.. |
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| 22:34.40 | geggam_ | what is ss ? |
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| 22:34.57 | Maleckii | geggam_: the version of netstat that ships with iproute2 |
| 22:35.10 | monoglets | yes Maleckii |
| 22:35.10 | geggam_ | looking at it now |
| 22:35.12 | monoglets | 0 100 *:25 *:* |
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| 22:36.14 | Maleckii | hm. if there's firewall on your vps, that shows you should be able to telnet to port 25 on that server |
| 22:36.26 | Maleckii | s/firewall/no firewall |
| 22:36.33 | monoglets | there is no firewall |
| 22:37.13 | monoglets | look at my logs |
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| 22:37.29 | monoglets | Maleckii, http://paste.debian.net/52915/ |
| 22:37.45 | geggam_ | from another machine on that network can you telnet to the mailserver ip port 25 ? |
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| 22:38.35 | geggam_ | -bash-4.2$ telnet mail.monoglets.org 25 |
| 22:38.35 | geggam_ | telnet: mail.monoglets.org: no address associated with name |
| 22:38.35 | geggam_ | mail.monoglets.org: Unknown host |
| 22:38.41 | geggam_ | that is one issue |
| 22:38.47 | monoglets | yes geggam |
| 22:39.01 | monoglets | geggam, It's not my real address |
| 22:39.19 | monoglets | I just changed my logs |
| 22:39.20 | Maleckii | that log shows you have a triple bounce problem |
| 22:39.52 | Maleckii | but remote hosts are connecting to you |
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| 22:40.36 | monoglets | but when I tried by myself it fail Maleckii |
| 22:40.45 | Maleckii | unfortunately i'm more a qmail guy. i don't know postfix at all |
| 22:41.04 | monoglets | I dont believe its a postfix problem |
| 22:41.48 | monoglets | with all these information, can I remove the possibility to be dns problem? Maleckii |
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| 22:42.02 | grimeton | there is something terribly wrong: 18:22:42 mantodea postfix/bounce[24490]: warning: 004CE1E17B: undeliverable postmaster notification discarded |
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| 22:42.17 | Maleckii | yeah, the undeliverable notification is bouncing |
| 22:42.32 | grimeton | check /etc/aliases and run newaliases |
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| 22:42.51 | grimeton | and check that the /var/mail/* stuff exists |
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| 22:45.00 | monoglets | boucing could be a conf by postfix? Maleckii |
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| 22:45.21 | waq | jhutchins: /etc/network/if-up.d/ethtool |
| 22:45.23 | Maleckii | monoglets: again, i don't really know postfix. :( |
| 22:45.29 | waq | apologies for the late reply |
| 22:45.46 | monoglets | Maleckii, ok |
| 22:46.06 | monoglets | grimeton, it seems ok friend |
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| 22:49.54 | monoglets | grimeton, are u acquainted with postfix? |
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| 22:51.25 | grimeton | yes |
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| 22:52.28 | monoglets | grimeton could you help? |
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| 22:54.29 | grimeton | monoglets: managing an MTA is a somewhat complicated matter that one should only do if he knows all about it and we can't just help you a bit with that |
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| 22:55.49 | peterrooney | grimeton: any bypass for that chicken-and-egg problem? |
| 22:56.10 | grimeton | peterrooney: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
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| 22:57.33 | peterrooney | Ow. I deserved that. Call it a bias, but my experience with documentation is that it's not useful for teaching. |
| 22:57.55 | grimeton | the postfix documentation is |
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| 22:58.24 | grimeton | he's facing two problems: the theory of how the whole mta thing works and then the problem to make it all happen together with postfix |
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| 23:00.25 | monoglets | peterrooney, I also already saw all documentation about postfix, if it were helpful I wasnt here asking |
| 23:01.00 | monoglets | grimeton, maybe I'm dumb, but it dont worked... |
| 23:01.37 | monoglets | what I got working, was doing by my hands.. trying.. and receiving help |
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| 23:03.27 | grimeton | monoglets: go solve the problem that the bounce message can't be delivered |
| 23:03.30 | grimeton | monoglets: http://www.postfix.org/bounce.8.html |
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| 23:05.09 | Benkinooby | monoglets: isn't there a channel for such mail stuff. don't what to tell you off or anything like that, but your questions are quite specific, so you might get better/more feedback somewhere else? |
| 23:05.51 | mumpitzel | there is #postfix... |
| 23:06.01 | monoglets | grimeton, I got another information: when I tried to send by localnetwork, it worked, so it just not working from outise... |
| 23:06.15 | grimeton | monoglets: yeah, you'd know that if you could read the bounce message |
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| 23:06.34 | grimeton | postfix is quite chatty in its error messages and mails as long as you don't stop it |
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| 23:08.32 | mshindo | with debarchiver, what would cause a package that is not a source package it be inserted into the sources section? |
| 23:09.33 | monoglets | I'm guessing its about this two lines here http://paste.debian.net/52938/ grimeton |
| 23:09.37 | monoglets | what u think? |
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| 23:12.40 | grimeton | monoglets: http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html |
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| 23:13.08 | grimeton | and i don't think that locally generated and relayed mail (the bounce message) is ever passing any smtp stuff in postfix at any point in time |
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| 23:13.24 | grimeton | http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html |
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| 23:55.43 | ampw | how do i open a executable .jar file |
| 23:57.57 | epsilon | with java |
| 23:58.13 | Maleckii | java -jar filename.jar ? |
| 23:58.39 | ampw | yes |
| 23:58.43 | ampw | oh |
| 23:58.44 | ampw | lol |
| 23:58.47 | ampw | in terminal? |
| 23:59.07 | ampw | wow thanks |
| 23:59.11 | ampw | this is so cool |
| 23:59.12 | Maleckii | :D |