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| 00:05.35 | ampw | am i able to change the icon of th ejar? |
| 00:05.37 | ampw | the* |
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| 00:11.18 | bentley` | i'm having trouble connecting to my school wireless (wpa2 enterprise) |
| 00:11.44 | bentley` | i have no problem connecting to various wpa2-psk networks with "ifup eth1" + wpa_supplicant.conf containing the network info |
| 00:13.04 | bentley` | is there any documentation for this use case? |
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| 00:17.40 | babilen | bentley`: Sure, take a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 00:19.41 | grimeton | bentley`: wpa2 psk is just a password authenticated wpa aes enterprise connection |
| 00:19.58 | grimeton | bentley`: are you using certs or user/password combos? |
| 00:20.16 | bentley` | the school connection that i'm having trouble with is user/pass |
| 00:20.28 | bentley` | and has a ca cert provided by the department |
| 00:20.41 | grimeton | but you do not have to use client certs? |
| 00:20.47 | bentley` | correct |
| 00:21.18 | grimeton | what kind of auth do they require for the password auth? |
| 00:21.22 | grimeton | bentley`: there are tons of them |
| 00:21.30 | grimeton | 802.1x just tunnels the auth process to the radius backend |
| 00:22.32 | bentley` | uhm, i got this list from someone else using a gui network manager: MTU auto, auth PEAP, inner auth MSCHAPv2 |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | bentley`: which driver are you using? Not all work the same |
| 00:22.48 | grimeton | ah, so two auths encapsulated |
| 00:23.01 | grimeton | bentley`: is it a 2.0 or a 1.x wpa supplicant you're using? |
| 00:23.22 | grimeton | bentley`: did you get two different auth user/pass combinations? |
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| 00:23.29 | abrotman | he already said |
| 00:23.40 | bentley` | abrotman: how do i know which driver i'm using? |
| 00:23.50 | bentley` | grimeton: wpa_supplicant -v says 1.0 |
| 00:23.53 | grimeton | abrotman: where? |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | bentley`: Is it PCI? lspci -k |
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| 00:23.58 | grimeton | bentley`: ah ok |
| 00:24.22 | bentley` | ipw2200 |
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| 00:25.52 | grimeton | bentley`: the ieee8021x.conf should match your setup |
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| 00:26.49 | DI_ANA | Can someone help me? I have dual booted my laptop and have a partition for shared media. It is owned by root and I need to change it to user. |
| 00:27.26 | bentley` | grimeton: thanks, let me give it a try |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | looks for the driver matrix |
| 00:27.29 | mumpitzel | DI_ANA: what filesystem does this partition use? |
| 00:27.37 | DI_ANA | fat |
| 00:27.54 | mumpitzel | !tell DI_ANA about vfatrw |
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| 00:28.28 | SolarAquarion | why isn't my package allowing apps to start via the command line |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: your "package" ? |
| 00:28.47 | SolarAquarion | abrotman, i mean system |
| 00:28.55 | DI_ANA | thanks. I'll try to figure that out. |
| 00:29.05 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: show us the errors |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: paste.debian.net please |
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| 00:31.00 | SolarAquarion | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c92abe1b/ |
| 00:31.35 | SolarAquarion | abrotman, it should be going to #python or something |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | SolarAquarion: full command, full error, thank you |
| 00:32.06 | themill | SolarAquarion: you should get rid of the locally installed python crap that is there |
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| 00:32.44 | SolarAquarion | themill, rm -rf on the local? |
| 00:32.58 | themill | that would be excessively drastic. |
| 00:33.10 | SolarAquarion | themill, what would i do? |
| 00:33.10 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:33.43 | themill | SolarAquarion: well it looks like you need to fix "wmal" |
| 00:35.26 | SolarAquarion | themill, how do i remove a python program from my system that i installed locally |
| 00:36.40 | DI_ANA | I used nano to acces /etc/fstab. Is that what I'm supposed to do? If so, I'm lost from there. |
| 00:37.05 | DI_ANA | access* |
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| 00:40.37 | mumpitzel | you edit the line for your vfat partition |
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| 01:02.52 | Cylta | Hello. I have a question about cubian (distro based on debian), but there is nobody who can help me, so I hope at least you will able to... Just after the installation on clear system apt and dpkg are not working, they keep telling me that libc6\gcc1\multiarch-support are not installed\not right version, and their errors are in loop to each other. What should I do in such situation? |
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| 01:03.41 | abrotman | Cylta: try ##linux, we support Debian here |
| 01:03.44 | zykotick9 | !tell Cylta about based on debian |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Cylta about cubian |
| 01:04.01 | dvs | waits for the "but..." |
| 01:04.08 | abrotman | but nothing |
| 01:04.29 | Cylta | okay *foreveralone.jpg* |
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| 01:08.23 | bentley` | hm, ieee8021x.conf doesn't seem to be enough for me to connect |
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| 01:08.47 | grimeton | bentley`: you offered the cert in the right format to the wpa app? |
| 01:09.05 | bentley` | maybe not, it is .cer, whatever that is |
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| 01:09.52 | Freeder | Hello, my apt sources list seems to be severely lacking... where can I find a 'complete' list, or otherwise update my current version to encompass a 'normal' listing? |
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| 01:10.07 | dvs | !tell Freeder about sources.list |
| 01:10.08 | grimeton | bentley`: you need it in PEM |
| 01:10.19 | grimeton | bentley`: do a file somefile.cert |
| 01:10.24 | grimeton | bentley`: what do you get? |
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| 01:10.54 | bentley` | "data" |
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| 01:11.02 | bentley` | :) |
| 01:11.04 | grimeton | bentley`: then it's in der |
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| 01:11.06 | grimeton | you have to convert it |
| 01:11.19 | grimeton | openssl x509 -in somefile.cert -out somefile.pem -inform der -outform pem |
| 01:11.28 | mumpitzel | !tell Freeder about wheezy sources.list |
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| 01:12.18 | Cylta | Is there any debian distro for arm with u-boot in them and installer? |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | Debian? |
| 01:13.52 | Freeder | thanks to both of you |
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| 01:13.58 | Freeder | was missing main! |
| 01:14.02 | Freeder | have a good night |
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| 01:14.22 | Cylta | abrotman: you asking me to spell Debian from capital letter? okay =) or thing that there is no debian for arm with u-boot(or other non-grub bootloader)? |
| 01:16.10 | grimeton | i wonder if arm is always booted with u-boot |
| 01:16.14 | grimeton | how does the raspberry boot? |
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| 01:16.49 | bentley` | hum, even with a .pem, i still can't connect |
| 01:16.54 | grimeton | it has its own bootloader |
| 01:17.10 | grimeton | but raspbian is at least arm - maybe they offer other solutions as well? |
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| 01:17.21 | grimeton | bentley`: hm, an error message would be really helpful |
| 01:17.40 | bentley` | yes, but where can i find one? :) |
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| 01:18.10 | grimeton | bentley`: either in your debug output, but i don't think you have something like that, or in the usual suspects in /var/log |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | Cylta: i'm saying to ask #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net if they support it, otherwise, ask ##linux for a distro suggestion |
| 01:18.54 | Cylta | thanks.. |
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| 01:19.36 | zophy | hi |
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| 01:21.16 | bentley` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.23 | bentley` | not as specific as i'd like... |
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| 01:22.57 | bentley` | uh-oh |
| 01:23.05 | bentley` | ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. |
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| 01:23.15 | bentley` | (kern.log) |
| 01:23.15 | grimeton | hm intel |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | bentley`: which version of the firmware do you have installed? |
| 01:23.41 | bentley` | 0.36+wheezy.1 |
| 01:23.42 | abrotman | bentley`: and hwich device do yo uhave? |
| 01:23.48 | abrotman | bentley`: lspci -nn |
| 01:24.09 | Th0masR0ss | Where's that debian wiki de link? |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org ? |
| 01:24.35 | bentley` | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG |
| 01:24.53 | Th0masR0ss | https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | bentley`: there's a newer firmware package in backports you might want to try |
| 01:26.05 | abrotman | bentley`: you can grab it with wget |
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| 01:27.01 | bentley` | where? |
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| 01:28.40 | bentley` | got it |
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| 01:29.07 | abrotman | bentley`: you'll have to reload the driver, or reboot to load that firmware |
| 01:29.28 | grimeton | or at least turn the wifi card off |
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| 01:29.43 | abrotman | that won't unload the driver |
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| 01:29.56 | grimeton | switch, powering off the device |
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| 01:37.34 | TheMischief | Hey all |
| 01:37.45 | Pie_Mage | \o |
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| 01:42.06 | bentley` | rebooted the machine |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:42.16 | bentley` | the firmware errors have gone away |
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| 01:42.37 | bentley` | still can't connect, though; getting the same errors from the paste |
| 01:43.53 | grimeton | bentley`: exactly the same? |
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| 01:45.03 | bentley` | yes, exactly |
| 01:45.36 | grimeton | is the ieee80211 module loaded? |
| 01:46.20 | grimeton | and what firmware version was it again? |
| 01:46.31 | bentley` | lsmod | grep ieee shows nothing |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | 0.39 from bpo |
| 01:46.53 | grimeton | the firmware version is 0.39? |
| 01:47.06 | bentley` | yes |
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| 01:47.46 | bentley` | should ieee80211 be visible in lsmod output? |
| 01:47.51 | grimeton | what version does ipw2200 have? |
| 01:47.59 | grimeton | yeah it should iirc |
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| 01:49.53 | bentley` | how do i enable the module if it's disabled? |
| 01:50.09 | grimeton | bentley`: ignore the module for a moment and tell me the version of the ipw2200 stuff |
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| 01:50.29 | bentley` | okay, where do i find the version? |
| 01:50.57 | abrotman | "stuff" ? |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | the module or hte firmware version / |
| 01:51.08 | bentley` | 1.2.2kmprq |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:51.17 | grimeton | bentley`: yeah that's fine |
| 01:51.20 | grimeton | 1.2.2. should do the trick |
| 01:52.14 | grimeton | bentley`: modinfo ieee80211 gives you ? |
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| 01:52.40 | grimeton | (just the version number) |
| 01:52.49 | bentley` | ERROR: Module ieee80211 not found. |
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| 01:53.24 | bentley` | well... |
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| 01:53.50 | grimeton | hm, then it's in lib80211 nowadays |
| 01:53.57 | grimeton | it's been a whille since i did this the last time ;) |
| 01:54.22 | grimeton | bentley`: i'm pretty sure the driver and wpa_supplicant offer a debug mode |
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| 01:57.06 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know any guide for creating a live-cd from an installed debian? |
| 01:57.43 | grimeton | atari314: you can just download one |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | atari314: is it called bootcd ? |
| 01:58.25 | grimeton | bentley`: just googled and found this http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=85384 |
| 01:58.47 | atari314 | grimeton, I mean, something like an image from my current install |
| 01:59.08 | grimeton | atari314: don't think that's possible |
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| 01:59.50 | atari314 | grimeton, oh bummer :( ok, tks :) |
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| 02:06.04 | bentley` | grimeton: looks like hwcrypto is disabled by default now |
| 02:06.45 | grimeton | bentley`: yeah, i think we need a more detailed info on what goes wrong |
| 02:06.47 | grimeton | debug |
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| 02:21.55 | nathan10001 | hello everyone |
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| 02:22.25 | nathan10001 | i need to know how to setup a mailserver |
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| 02:23.16 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 02:23.50 | nathan10001 | yes |
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| 02:26.42 | nathan10001 | any ideas? |
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| 02:27.00 | civillian | nathan10001: your call is important to us. we are experiencing a high volume of callers, but we'll be with you shortly. |
| 02:27.06 | grimeton | deja-vu? |
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| 02:28.04 | bentley` | since wpa_supplicant starts automatically, i'm not sure where to tell it to use debug flags |
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| 02:28.38 | grimeton | bentley`: stop it, start it manually |
| 02:28.39 | nathan10001 | wpa_supplicant? |
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| 02:29.51 | abrotman | it has a configuration file |
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| 02:31.10 | nathan10001 | what packages do i need to install? |
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| 02:32.47 | abrotman | nathan10001: Don't you have a system or network admin? |
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| 02:33.27 | nathan10001 | yes |
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| 02:34.02 | nathan10001 | i haven't been able to get my mailserver working |
| 02:34.16 | abrotman | and your admin won't help you? |
| 02:34.30 | nathan10001 | i am the admin for my home box |
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| 02:34.48 | abrotman | your ISP doesn't allow home mail servers to send mail to the internet |
| 02:36.01 | nathan10001 | why? |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | why what? |
| 02:36.21 | nathan10001 | i get no error messages, yet, i won't work. |
| 02:36.38 | nathan10001 | it won't work |
| 02:37.31 | nathan10001 | so, what can i do? |
| 02:37.53 | bentley` | it's 8:30PM and i'm still at school... i guess i'll try fixing my wireless another time, but thanks for the help |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | nathan10001: your ISP will not allow you to send messages on port 25 out to other internet hosts |
| 02:38.47 | nathan10001 | so, what port should i use? |
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| 02:39.14 | abrotman | I don't think you understand anything about what you're trying to do |
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| 02:40.03 | nathan10001 | my point exactly |
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| 02:40.42 | nathan10001 | i want for my forum to be able to send mass mailings to users. |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | you can NOT deliver mail to another internet mail server from your ISP |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | i'm not sure how much more clear I can make this |
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| 02:40.56 | abrotman | your ISP has blocked port 25 outbound |
| 02:41.13 | grimeton | maybe he isn't running the forum at home? |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | he said it was his home network |
| 02:41.24 | nathan10001 | maybe i am too stupid to just give up |
| 02:41.51 | nathan10001 | yes, at home through apache2 server |
| 02:41.54 | grimeton | nathan10001: then thing is: if you want to run a mailserver on your home connection then you won't have any luck because it's blocked and there's no way around it |
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| 02:42.24 | nathan10001 | are you totally sure? |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | I am |
| 02:42.31 | grimeton | he is |
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| 02:42.48 | grimeton | hm |
| 02:43.03 | grimeton | is port 25 outbound really blocked? how can one use a different mail provider than comcast itself? |
| 02:43.03 | nathan10001 | there must be a way to work around this |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | nathan10001: google "comcast block port 25" http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/list-of-blocked-ports/ |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | nathan10001: clearly you're smarter than the guys that run your ISP |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | grimeton: 465 or 587 |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | (or webmail) |
| 02:43.56 | atari314 | VPN port-fwd? |
| 02:44.17 | grimeton | 465? |
| 02:44.24 | grimeton | i mean submission is known, but 465? |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | port 465, some smtp servers accept on 465 |
| 02:44.34 | nathan10001 | i can send mail through kmail just fine, so, what's the difference? |
| 02:44.42 | abrotman | nathan10001: using what SMTP server? |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | nathan10001: i don't know why you're arguing with me, i've already given you the link from your ISP that shows it's blocked |
| 02:44.58 | nathan10001 | i don't know |
| 02:45.17 | nathan10001 | not trying to argue. |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | you could perhaps set it up as a smart host and route all your forum stuff through the ISP SMTP servers, but your ISP has other limits relating to that (neverminding people marking your forum messages as spam) |
| 02:46.00 | nathan10001 | i am just too stupid to just give up, the einstein kind of stupid. |
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| 02:46.28 | abrotman | yeah, einstein .. |
| 02:46.39 | grimeton | yeah, endless |
| 02:46.43 | nathan10001 | it's not spam |
| 02:46.57 | grimeton | nathan10001: that doesn't matter, the content isn't checked |
| 02:46.59 | lesocratic | hihihi |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | dpkg: qotd284 is <reply>< nathan10001 > i am just too stupid to just give up, the einstein kind of stupid. |
| 02:47.09 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 02:47.25 | nathan10001 | when people sign up and can easily unsubscribe, its not spam |
| 02:48.01 | abrotman | that's not for you to decide |
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| 02:48.31 | atari314 | nathan10001, even if you do setup your home mail server, if you do that, you'll prolly get blacklisted by gmail/yahoo/hotmail and everyone else... |
| 02:48.41 | nathan10001 | so, i need my own isp? |
| 02:48.56 | grimeton | nathan10001: a dedicated server should work |
| 02:49.15 | nathan10001 | like apache2? |
| 02:49.20 | atari314 | nope, you need at least an fixed IP and a dedicated conex... or a renting a dedicated server or vps (or even some shared web hosting) |
| 02:49.27 | abrotman | nathan10001: which OS are you going to run this server on? |
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| 02:49.40 | nathan10001 | wheezy |
| 02:50.21 | nathan10001 | most shared hosting companies use raw source code and debug along the way. |
| 02:50.54 | nathan10001 | when my forum gets too popular, they shut it down. |
| 02:51.19 | nathan10001 | one told me to get my own server, so i did. |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | is that the problem? |
| 02:51.25 | atari314 | well, rent a VPS? |
| 02:51.34 | nathan10001 | basically, yes |
| 02:51.41 | nathan10001 | vps? |
| 02:52.12 | atari314 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 02:52.26 | nathan10001 | my site server works fine but the mailserver is a mess that doesn't work. |
| 02:52.35 | jdabgotra | does any know if debian has plans to stop maintaining the nonfree repositories |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | nathan10001: we've already covered that |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | jdabgotra: why would it? |
| 02:53.03 | jdabgotra | to get the free software foundation's support |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | jdabgotra: why would that matter? |
| 02:53.27 | jdabgotra | the FSF lists this as a problem |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | they list lots of things as problems |
| 02:53.45 | jdabgotra | and the debian lead - i forget his name - says he wants to get endorsed |
| 02:54.14 | jdabgotra | but unless he gives up the nonfree repositories i dont see how that will actually happen |
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| 02:54.22 | abrotman | then I guess it won't happen |
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| 02:54.31 | abrotman | Lucas Nussbaum you mean ? |
| 02:54.54 | jdabgotra | hmm let me see |
| 02:55.32 | jdabgotra | Stefano Zacchiroli |
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| 02:55.40 | abrotman | he's no longer the DPL |
| 02:55.56 | jdabgotra | ok |
| 02:56.04 | jdabgotra | how is nussbaum with free software? |
| 02:56.10 | jdabgotra | is that important to him? more? less? |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | Debian is free software |
| 02:56.31 | jdabgotra | but nussbaum isnt interested in an endorsement? |
| 02:56.37 | nathan10001 | am easier idea comes to mind. |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | jdabgotra: if FSF doesn't include non-free is it endorsed? or are there other problems? |
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| 02:57.36 | jdabgotra | let me check |
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| 02:57.51 | nathan10001 | setup and config, then substitute the mail command with: usewithtor mail. |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | that will never work |
| 02:58.19 | jdabgotra | https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
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| 02:58.28 | abrotman | gnu is not FSF? |
| 02:58.29 | jdabgotra | that seems to be the only remaining reason |
| 02:58.41 | nathan10001 | it works on kmail |
| 02:58.51 | jdabgotra | they are like sister orgs really |
| 02:59.02 | jdabgotra | look, there's an FSF link at the top |
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| 02:59.26 | nathan10001 | ok, tyvm |
| 02:59.48 | jdabgotra | FSF works on supporting the GNU public license and sponsors GNU software |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | jdabgotra: They're upset because Debian provides firmware in a "non-supported" repository .. Maybe FSF should go after hardware companies instead so that distros don't have to provide firmware for hardware to work |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | jdabgotra: and you're not forced to use that firmware .. their argument is poorly phrased |
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| 03:01.09 | abrotman | it'd be a much better use of the FSF's time to ask hardware companies for specs and/or open drivers |
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| 03:01.25 | jdabgotra | i understand, they are about being very principled, and thats actually quite good right now for a lot of reasons |
| 03:01.32 | jdabgotra | its at least good some people focus on that goal |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | jdabgotra: i'm not sure why you're singling out Debian, every major distro is on tha tpage |
| 03:02.02 | jdabgotra | Debian is widely used by the free software supporters |
| 03:02.08 | jdabgotra | with nonfree repos turned off |
| 03:02.09 | abrotman | jdabgotra: if it's really a problem fro you, try gnewsense |
| 03:02.20 | jdabgotra | yeah going to try trisquel |
| 03:02.23 | jdabgotra | im not complaininfg |
| 03:02.26 | jdabgotra | or demanding |
| 03:02.34 | jdabgotra | im just wondering, so thanks, its helpful to know |
| 03:03.02 | jdabgotra | because i think the FSF's position is inconsistent with a lot of users' Debian use, given Debian's stance |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | i don't see it happening, those repositories include firmware and other programs that users likely need to get full use of their hardware in today's use of 802.11x everywhere stuff |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | jdabgotra: you can find out by looking at popcon stats |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | jdabgotra: popcon.debian.org (that does however depend on the user opting in to that poll) |
| 03:04.45 | jdabgotra | sorry abrotman whats popcon |
| 03:04.49 | jdabgotra | ok |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | saw the question coming :) |
| 03:05.27 | jdabgotra | abrotman, i know wifi is a pain, but going through that extra layer of finding an open source compatible driver teaches us something |
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| 03:05.42 | jdabgotra | before I just assumed it was somehow open source |
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| 03:05.49 | abrotman | jdabgotra: not everyone has that option |
| 03:05.55 | jdabgotra | true |
| 03:05.59 | jdabgotra | its more $ |
| 03:06.10 | abrotman | it's not just that |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | sometimes your parents don't understand, or the website doesn't list full specs .. |
| 03:06.42 | jdabgotra | yeah these are valid challenges |
| 03:06.58 | zinx | abrotman: i especially like when there are 5 different cards with the same name, and you can only tell them apart by serial number, which no one lists |
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| 03:07.22 | jdabgotra | yeah chipsets arent always obvious |
| 03:07.31 | jdabgotra | its glad some people care though |
| 03:07.35 | abrotman | zinx: right, that situation as well "Oh crap, I got revision 52A, which has no driver at all" |
| 03:07.41 | zinx | yeah :) |
| 03:07.44 | jdabgotra | otherwise i wouldnt of learned of these kernel blobs int he first place |
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| 03:08.14 | jdabgotra | so its good for some people to stick to principles and try to build computing along those lines... doesnt have to be everyone |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | jdabgotra: it'd still be better for fsf to petition the hardware companies, not hte OS |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:09.04 | dvs | o/ |
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| 03:09.16 | jdabgotra | they host the H node database |
| 03:09.31 | jdabgotra | which helps you see if there are open drivers or not |
| 03:09.48 | jdabgotra | so thats a way to give consumers some information, its a start |
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| 03:10.01 | jdabgotra | at least when u build a desktop, u can choose something more free |
| 03:10.52 | jdabgotra | not "you", but "one may" |
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| 03:13.59 | jdabgotra | not sure if they petition the companies, but my guess is they have tried |
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| 04:14.55 | relipse | If I make GPL additions to a GPL project and host it on my own servers, I know i need to distribute the source code, but do I have to have a link or can I distribute it upon request only? |
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| 04:17.14 | anton02 | windows 8 created a 350MB boot partition, should i use ntfsclone in knoppix and also dd the MBR to backup this install? |
| 04:17.25 | anton02 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.26 | dondelelcaro | relipse: you generally need to provide equivalent access to the source |
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| 04:17.49 | dondelelcaro | relipse: but the specifics depend on whether we're talking about GPLv2 or GPLv3 |
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| 04:18.44 | relipse | ok gpl3 |
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| 04:19.33 | dondelelcaro | relipse: See section 6d |
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| 04:20.06 | dondelelcaro | relipse: basically, you have to provide equivalent access to the source |
| 04:20.17 | relipse | which means? |
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| 04:21.48 | dondelelcaro | relipse: GPL §6d explains it pretty well, but if you have a download link to the object file, you should have a download link to the source code corresponding to the object file in the same location |
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| 04:21.51 | anton02 | pls respond |
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| 04:22.19 | relipse | dondelelcaro, there is no download this is an entire website framework in php |
| 04:22.27 | dondelelcaro | relipse: so? |
| 04:22.51 | dondelelcaro | relipse: are you distributing the website framework? |
| 04:23.14 | dondelelcaro | or are you just using it? |
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| 04:23.35 | relipse | no there is no need to distribute the framework |
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| 04:23.59 | relipse | because the END-result is what the users see |
| 04:24.11 | relipse | but technically the code is GPL-based and all additions to it are too |
| 04:24.12 | dondelelcaro | if you're not distributing the framework to anyone, and it's GPLv3, then you don't have to distribute the source |
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| 04:24.27 | relipse | oh really? |
| 04:24.34 | relipse | even if the code is gpl based? |
| 04:24.54 | dondelelcaro | yes, that's why we have the affero-GPL |
| 04:25.07 | relipse | and i'm so confused |
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| 04:25.40 | dondelelcaro | that said, if you have any questions, you really should talk to a lawyer. |
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| 04:26.05 | dondelelcaro | (and it's often in the community's and your best interest to contribute your changes back upstream and distribute them, even though the license doesn't require it) |
| 04:26.08 | relipse | Ok look. Foobar is a huge php framework it is licensed GPL (3) it was 2. If I create a derivative, host it on my own server for an end user, do I need to distribute the source code? |
| 04:26.15 | dondelelcaro | no |
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| 04:26.42 | relipse | Ok what if i sell the source code to a specific company |
| 04:26.55 | relipse | and the source code is GPL3 |
| 04:26.58 | relipse | all of it |
| 04:27.12 | relipse | do I have to distribute it upon requesT? |
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| 04:28.25 | dondelelcaro | then you've propogated it, and you have to satisfy §6. |
| 04:28.38 | dondelelcaro | you really should read at least that part of the GPL |
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| 04:32.09 | dondelelcaro | and if you're concerned at all about your obligations, you should talk to a lawyer who is qualified to give you legal advice on your specific situation |
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| 04:32.39 | dondelelcaro | I (and anyone else in this channel) cannot give you legal advice on your particular problem |
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| 05:11.08 | t0ke | When I try and run 'Terminator' (the terminal emulator), I get "ConfigBase::load: Unable to open /home/t0ke/.config/terminator/config ([Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/t0ke/.config/terminator/config') <Window object at 0x13e85a0 (terminatorlib+window+Window at 0x1438040)> is not in registered window list" |
| 05:11.14 | t0ke | Anyone know what this means? |
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| 05:13.43 | mumpitze1 | that it can't find its config files. should just use default then |
| 05:13.55 | mumpitze1 | change a config and save, it should create it. or make your own |
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| 05:17.37 | t0ke | Okay, thanks |
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| 05:30.24 | Maleckii | LLckfan: febreeze? |
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| 05:30.49 | Maleckii | baking brownies also might work |
| 05:30.52 | LLckfan | Tried febreeze |
| 05:30.59 | LLckfan | It works for a second |
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| 06:18.10 | s_ | how can I disable file |
| 06:18.11 | s_ | system check? |
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| 06:18.35 | [jasper] | hej guys, I build a md0 raid1 last night....all succesfulll...but now after a reboot I don't see any /dev/md0 device all of a sudden? |
| 06:18.49 | [jasper] | is there a way I can get it back without doing a complete resync of 7 hours again? |
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| 06:20.31 | maleckii | do you ahve any md devices? cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 06:22.33 | [jasper] | nothing there maleckii |
| 06:22.46 | [jasper] | no such file or directory |
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| 06:24.29 | maleckii | no such file or directory is odd. [jasper] |
| 06:24.36 | [jasper] | yeah it is |
| 06:24.44 | maleckii | that means that your kernel doesn't even have the md modules loaded |
| 06:25.22 | maleckii | you'll have to modprobe md and raid1 |
| 06:25.32 | maleckii | but that should have been taken care for you already |
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| 06:26.31 | [jasper] | hmhmm |
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| 06:26.43 | [jasper] | I modprobed them, /proc/mdstat now shows raid1 |
| 06:26.49 | [jasper] | unused devices: none |
| 06:26.50 | [jasper] | that's all |
| 06:27.22 | mjt | you have to add your new raid into /etc/mdadm.conf and re-generate initramfs in order for it to be assembled during boot |
| 06:27.24 | maleckii | you have the mdadm package installed? |
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| 06:27.44 | [jasper] | is that normal mjt ? |
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| 06:27.50 | mjt | normal what? |
| 06:27.58 | [jasper] | that you have to add it to that config? |
| 06:28.06 | maleckii | [jasper]: yeah |
| 06:28.14 | mjt | i'm not sure i understand the question |
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| 06:28.40 | maleckii | when you install the mdadm package it will handle that for you, but the raid information has to be in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf first |
| 06:28.44 | [jasper] | ahhhh |
| 06:28.47 | [jasper] | I know the problem... |
| 06:29.02 | [jasper] | I have it in a chrooted environment |
| 06:29.08 | [jasper] | which has acces to dev. |
| 06:29.47 | mjt | heh. the kernel is the same - be it in chroot or outside |
| 06:29.48 | [jasper] | the md array is in my chrooted mdadm.conf |
| 06:29.53 | mjt | aha |
| 06:29.59 | [jasper] | not on the base system.. |
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| 06:30.17 | [jasper] | is there a command I need to issue to is, so it will actually assemble the md0? |
| 06:30.20 | [jasper] | which I can run after boot? |
| 06:30.40 | mjt | copy mdadm.conf to proper place and run /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
| 06:30.41 | maleckii | [jasper]: the mdadm init scripts will do that if it's in the config. mdadm --asemble will also do it |
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| 06:31.14 | maleckii | mdadm --assemble --help first :) |
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| 06:33.03 | [jasper] | hmmm |
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| 06:33.13 | [jasper] | /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start fails |
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| 06:37.34 | [jasper] | maleckii, any clue what I'm doing wrong here? |
| 06:37.35 | [jasper] | OpenMediaVault:/etc/mdadm# mdadm --assemble --uuid=bab21b42:c6aa3df3:67766e6b:99dc008e --scan |
| 06:37.35 | [jasper] | mdadm: Cannot start array: No such device |
| 06:38.10 | vipzrx | i am |
| 06:38.37 | maleckii | try without uuid |
| 06:38.58 | vipzrx | using debian sid ,the icedove is 17 ,but i found the thunderbird is 20+ |
| 06:39.26 | vipzrx | where can i find the newest icedove ? |
| 06:39.35 | mumpitze1 | !tell vipzrx about mdn |
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| 06:39.57 | themill | vipzrx: debian can only include releases that have more than 5 minutes of support in releases so only "extended support release" versions are uploaded to unstable. |
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| 06:40.23 | [jasper] | maleckii, OpenMediaVault:/# mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 06:40.23 | [jasper] | mdadm: Cannot start array: No such devic |
| 06:41.09 | [jasper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.31 | maleckii | mdadm --assemble --scan -c=<config file> /dev/md0 |
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| 06:41.54 | [jasper] | mdadm: /dev/md0 not identified in config file. |
| 06:42.09 | maleckii | you need to copy the config over from your chroot |
| 06:42.24 | [jasper] | # definitions of existing MD arrays |
| 06:42.25 | [jasper] | ARRAY /dev/md0 metadata=1.2 name=BlackMesa:mirror UUID=bab21b42:c6aa3df3:67766e6b:99dc008e |
| 06:42.34 | [jasper] | I'm issueing these commands in my chrooted environment |
| 06:42.41 | [jasper] | so it should still work right? |
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| 06:43.00 | maleckii | honestly i'd set it up outside of the chroot |
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| 06:43.24 | maleckii | there isn't really a reason to have it managed in the chroot... the kernel does all the raid stuff and the kernel's the same anyway |
| 06:43.28 | [jasper] | yeah, but I need it to be controllable from inside the chroot |
| 06:43.47 | [jasper] | because I use this nas software...which makes direct adjustments to these files etc |
| 06:44.06 | [jasper] | OpenMediaVault:/etc/init.d# mdadm-startall |
| 06:44.06 | [jasper] | W: mdadm: using ARRAYs defined in existing mdadm.conf. |
| 06:44.06 | [jasper] | Assembling MD arrays...failed (failed to load MD subsystem). |
| 06:44.13 | [jasper] | can I see somewhere what these errors are? |
| 06:44.25 | vipzrx | thx |
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| 06:45.46 | mumpitze1 | [jasper]: what kind of adjustments? |
| 06:45.55 | [jasper] | hej goodmorning mumpitze1 |
| 06:46.31 | [jasper] | mumpitze1, I only know that openmediavault is the graphical interface to change these raid devices etc... |
| 06:46.45 | [jasper] | so if I start moving it outside the chrooted environment it kind of defeats the purpose of using the software |
| 06:46.48 | mumpitze1 | and you have bind mounted stuff like /dev inside it? |
| 06:46.52 | [jasper] | yes |
| 06:47.04 | [jasper] | ./dev /proc /sys |
| 06:47.16 | [jasper] | and everything works..only when I reboot the system |
| 06:47.23 | [jasper] | it doesn't reassable the raid device |
| 06:47.34 | [jasper] | it did resysnc it perfectly overnight. and created a filesystem on it |
| 06:47.45 | [jasper] | but I need to reassemble it inside the chrooted environment |
| 06:47.49 | [jasper] | after a reboot |
| 06:47.57 | [jasper] | should be possible right? |
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| 06:52.19 | [jasper] | ok so maybe I should modprobe md and raid1 inside my main system on load? |
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| 06:53.10 | Kingsy | what software is recommended for copying CD's? xfburn doesnt seem to do it |
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| 06:53.25 | mumpitze1 | Kingsy: dd |
| 06:53.31 | mumpitze1 | cp too in a fix |
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| 06:53.48 | Kingsy | mumpitze1: an application with a GUI wouild be nice. |
| 06:54.24 | [jasper] | mumpitze1, I got a bit further now...I'm loading md and raid1 modules on boot...on main system |
| 06:54.26 | mumpitze1 | brasero, k3b, |
| 06:55.07 | Kingsy | cool |
| 06:55.53 | [jasper] | OpenMediaVault:/dev# /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
| 06:55.53 | [jasper] | Generating udev events for MD arrays...done. |
| 06:55.57 | [jasper] | that's what I'm getting now... |
| 06:56.07 | [jasper] | in my syslog I'm getting md: md0 stopped. |
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| 06:56.15 | [jasper] | I don't see any md0 in /dev/ either |
| 06:56.58 | maleckii | is md0 in /proc/mdstat now? |
| 06:57.37 | [jasper] | no it's not maleckii |
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| 06:58.13 | [jasper] | oh :/ |
| 06:59.11 | [jasper] | mumpitze1, do you know which modules are normally loaded on boot for mdadm?> |
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| 07:00.30 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 07:00.43 | mumpitze1 | assemble your RAID outside the chroot and you know |
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| 07:02.12 | [jasper] | mumpitze1, there's no mdadm installed outside the chroot |
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| 07:04.44 | mumpitze1 | themill: can you please show him the door? |
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| 07:19.53 | mumpitze1 | iarinov: gnome is a metapackage. fine to remove |
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| 07:25.33 | iarinov | mumpitze1, and my gnome will stay fine? |
| 07:25.39 | iarinov | http://pastie.org/8385920 |
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| 07:33.29 | mumpitze1 | yes it will |
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| 07:37.05 | [jasper] | ok I've decided to drop openmediavault alltogether mumpitze1 |
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| 07:53.33 | fosstux | Hi! I started yesterday a dd from disk a to disk b. dd is still runnung. How can I check how far dd is? |
| 07:53.42 | fosstux | The two disks are 3 TB disks |
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| 07:55.37 | bigfoot- | fosstux: send the dd process a SIGUSR1 |
| 07:56.50 | bigfoot- | fosstux: figure out the process ID (e.g., 'pidof dd'), and then kill -USR1 XXX (XXX being the ID) |
| 07:57.04 | bigfoot- | dd then tells you how much it already has copied. |
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| 08:01.25 | monoglets | what ports are used to imap, smtp, and pop |
| 08:01.36 | monoglets | ? |
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| 08:02.14 | OpenTokix | monoglets: check /etc/services |
| 08:02.20 | Dewio | monoglets: http://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml |
| 08:02.40 | Dewio | oops, that's not a very detailed one, sorry |
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| 08:02.47 | OpenTokix | fosstux: When dd:ing, it is also a good idea to provide a bs=256M or so, for it to use larger datablocks - for faster dd-action |
| 08:03.02 | Dewio | oh, it is, you just have to search |
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| 08:03.35 | OpenTokix | monoglets: grep -E '(snmp|pop|imap)' /etc/services |
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| 08:05.56 | sababa | what is the best way of keeping proprietary software like Skype or Acrobat Reader up to date? Would something break if I added canonical's repos? |
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| 08:08.50 | babilen_ | sababa: yes, almost certainly |
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| 08:11.41 | ivanshmakov | OpenTokix: My guess is that there won’t be much difference between bs=256M and bs=4k (or may be bs=1M or so, should the target happen to be an SSD.) As for the # dd if=/dev/XXX of=/dev/YYY bs=4k command, # cp /dev/XXX /dev/YYY is effectively the same operation. |
| 08:12.16 | fosstux | bigfoot-, I get no output with kill -USR1 |
| 08:12.23 | Norberhuis | I reinstalled windows 8 on my machine and now I don't have a boot manager so I can choose my debian installation. How can I reinstall grub? |
| 08:12.30 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: I have seen pretty big differences between providing a bs=large instead of the default |
| 08:12.36 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: I use dd extensivly for backups |
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| 08:16.29 | bigfoot- | fosstux: Then you're doing it wrong (but maybe you'll have to wait a few seconds). |
| 08:16.54 | OpenTokix | fosstux: The output is in the terminal where the dd is running, not where you do the kill |
| 08:17.07 | bigfoot- | erm. yes. |
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| 08:18.26 | fosstux | OpenTokix, ah... thanks |
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| 08:19.46 | OpenTokix | yw |
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| 08:20.10 | OpenTokix | watch -n 5 kill -USR1 pid in one terminal, will give you updated every 5th second in the dd-terminal |
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| 08:24.18 | vipzrx | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 08:24.42 | vipzrx | in this page , i found the icedove is 17 |
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| 08:25.07 | vipzrx | but the latest version of thunderbird is 24 |
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| 08:26.13 | mumpitze1 | vipzrx: you run which debian branch? |
| 08:26.21 | vipzrx | sid |
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| 08:26.51 | mumpitze1 | then read the factoid I gave you again. this time moer carefully. you do not run debian stable, so don't follow the advice for debian stable |
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| 08:28.03 | vipzrx | i choose the unstable |
| 08:28.35 | vipzrx | « I am running Debian unstable and I want to install icedove version esr |
| 08:29.05 | vipzrx | what the diff between 3.0 esr 10 esr ? |
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| 08:29.50 | mumpitze1 | 7 |
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| 08:30.31 | jessicac | which log file lets you know when eth0 loses connectivity? |
| 08:31.05 | mumpitze1 | kern.log I'd say |
| 08:31.34 | vipzrx | mumpitze1: am i making a mistake ? |
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| 08:31.54 | jessicac | is that what "Aug 29 13:12:08 (none) kernel: TIPC: Established link <1.1.1:eth1-1.1.10:eth0> on network plane A" is? |
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| 08:33.37 | JessicaC | can't be kern.log... there's nothing there for the past month and a half... |
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| 08:42.46 | monoglets | to receive mail I need to open 25 ort on firewall ? |
| 08:43.01 | drybjed | monoglets: yes |
| 08:43.32 | monoglets | and if dont solve the problem ? |
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| 08:44.22 | drybjed | monoglets: what's in /var/log/mail.log ? |
| 08:44.34 | drybjed | monoglets: can you telnet on port 25 from inside? |
| 08:44.42 | monoglets | yes.. |
| 08:45.07 | monoglets | but when the firewall is on there is no connection between local and external server |
| 08:45.08 | drybjed | how about from the outside? |
| 08:45.26 | ivanshmakov | OpenTokix: The default for dd(1) is just 512 bytes, and there’s going to be a huge difference between that and the natural device’s block size (which is likely to be 4 KiB at the least these days.) Did you measure the difference between bs=4k, bs=1M, bs=64M, and bs=256M, specifically? |
| 08:45.53 | monoglets | is there other port to do smtp? |
| 08:46.15 | monoglets | I oppened 25 2525 645 |
| 08:46.29 | drybjed | monoglets: no, by default SMTP is on 25 |
| 08:46.43 | drybjed | monoglets: try telneting from the outside |
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| 08:48.49 | monoglets | how to trace all connections? |
| 08:49.02 | drybjed | monoglets: netstat |
| 08:49.12 | monoglets | traceroute? |
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| 08:49.43 | drybjed | monoglets: if you want to see the path from your host to remote host, then yes |
| 08:49.49 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: I have tried different, but since I also usually do dd piped via ssh over internet |
| 08:50.02 | buu | How can I seriously force unmount a remote share that's hanging? |
| 08:50.03 | drybjed | monoglets: give me address to your mail server, I'll test it |
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| 08:50.21 | drybjed | buu: check with lsof what holds the mount |
| 08:50.44 | ivanshmakov | OpenTokix: FWIW, for SSH backups, my long time preference is Rsync. |
| 08:51.14 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: FWIW? |
| 08:51.31 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: When you backup a 1T+ mysql blockdevice, rsync is not viable ;) |
| 08:51.41 | buu | drybjed: I have the mount at /home/buu/foo; shouldn't: lsof | grep /home/buu/foo; show me everything? |
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| 08:52.15 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: I do a lvm-snapshot wich a dd and pipe to cpipe (to limit the bandwidth for the pipe to avoid doing to much io) via ssh and stream compress it with lzop |
| 08:52.52 | OpenTokix | ivanshmakov: I use rsync a lot to |
| 08:52.54 | drybjed | buu: it should |
| 08:52.54 | OpenTokix | love it |
| 08:53.03 | buu | drybjed: Nothing shows up =[ |
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| 08:54.57 | buu | Sigh |
| 08:55.04 | buu | Why the hell doesn't mount -f just do the right thing? |
| 08:55.06 | buu | It's 2013 =[ |
| 08:55.09 | buu | umount * |
| 08:55.20 | OpenTokix | buu: mount -f -l is your friend =) |
| 08:55.23 | OpenTokix | -l lazy |
| 08:55.40 | OpenTokix | boom, just umount it - processes can suck it! |
| 08:55.51 | OpenTokix | buu: Can give you corruptions, just mind you |
| 08:56.14 | buu | oh |
| 08:56.15 | buu | umount |
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| 08:59.27 | buu | OpenTokix: Well, it unmounted it but now it refuses to mount again, heh |
| 08:59.32 | buu | Yay linux |
| 09:02.24 | OpenTokix | buu: what does it say in the logs? |
| 09:02.44 | OpenTokix | buu: it is not linux fault, your os will just do what you tell it to do, as long as it understands you =) |
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| 09:02.54 | buu | OpenTokix: Which logs, server or client? |
| 09:03.14 | OpenTokix | buu: both |
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| 09:03.59 | buu | [245856.547323] INFO: task mount.cifs:23914 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 09:04.09 | OpenTokix | buu: oh, intresting |
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| 09:05.51 | buu | Where else should I look other than syslog? |
| 09:06.26 | john_rambo | I am using Debian 7. When I reboot my router Debian is not connecting to the wired network automatically....I tried doing /etc/init.d/networking restart but that didn't work |
| 09:07.44 | buu | john_rambo: have you tried ifdown/ifup? |
| 09:08.28 | Iridos | buu, lsof only shows you all accessing processes as root... run as a normal user it only shows those of the user |
| 09:08.30 | john_rambo | buu, Never done that before ..... WHat do I type ? |
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| 09:08.52 | buu | Oh hey, the mount finally succeeded. How utterly random. |
| 09:09.39 | buu | john_rambo: I'm guessing wildly here, but sudo ifdown eth<x that is on the wire> |
| 09:09.43 | buu | then ifup it |
| 09:09.54 | buu | I dunno about automatically |
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| 09:10.30 | Iridos | john_rambo, what are you using to connect to network |
| 09:11.09 | john_rambo | Iridos, I am using wired ethernet |
| 09:11.23 | mikejw | I can't run mysql queries using squirrelsql on debian wheezy :( |
| 09:11.47 | Iridos | what software are you using to connect to the network |
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| 09:12.25 | [jasper] | hej guys, where can I edit the text in the email mdadm sends? |
| 09:12.39 | mumpitze1 | john_rambo: are you using network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:14.11 | john_rambo | mumpitze1, network manager says "Wired unmanaged" ....So I guess the default way of Debian is /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:15.40 | Iridos | john_rambo, then look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:16.16 | Iridos | there should be a line like: |
| 09:16.23 | Iridos | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 09:16.52 | Iridos | if there's not but only "auto eth0", then add one (or eth1 or whatever number your interface has) |
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| 09:17.21 | john_rambo | Iridos, Yes the line is there but its not working |
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| 09:17.55 | mikejw | how do I use update-java-alternatives to see which is the active jvm? |
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| 09:19.21 | OpenTokix | mikejw: update-alternatives --display java |
| 09:19.42 | themill | mikejw: «readlink -f /usr/bin/java» would be the easiest way; but that's only the current /usr/bin/java. It's feasible but not recommended to have each alternative pointing in different directions |
| 09:20.24 | mikejw | cool thanks |
| 09:20.32 | mikejw | I think update-alternatives --config java was the command I was looking for :) |
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| 09:21.10 | Iridos | john_rambo, paste the content of that file in paste.debian.net and also ... the output of "dmesg|tail 50" after you unplugged and re-plugged the cable |
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| 09:23.11 | mikejw | right think I need to reinstall my java app now :) |
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| 09:56.52 | Nik05 | goodmorning |
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| 09:57.10 | tengopreguntas | hi everyone |
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| 09:57.59 | tengopreguntas | does anybody know what is the procedure to install via apt-get install, packages that have been repacked by dpkg-repack |
| 09:58.32 | tengopreguntas | i think think the md5 hash of the package is different, it is ignored by apt-get |
| 09:58.43 | tengopreguntas | it problaby think it is corrupt |
| 09:59.07 | Nik05 | i have a server next to me with a printer. And when clients connected with samba print something it prints correctly but when printing with lp i just get an empty page |
| 09:59.15 | Nik05 | anyone have an idea how to debug this? |
| 10:00.05 | petn-randall | tengopreguntas: apt-get only works with repositories, not single packages. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:00.32 | tengopreguntas | petn-randall: well i have added my local repository |
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| 10:01.05 | petn-randall | tengopreguntas: How do you generate the Packages file and the signatures for your local repository? |
| 10:01.07 | tengopreguntas | petn-randall: and it is not a single packages (it is a whole repository that i am building) |
| 10:01.21 | tengopreguntas | petn-randall: with dpkg-repack, so yes, the signatures are going to be different |
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| 10:01.58 | petn-randall | tengopreguntas: Paste the problematic apt-get command and it's output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:01.59 | tengopreguntas | petn-randall: and dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 10:03.03 | themill | tengopreguntas: which of the two packages are you wanting to (re)install? the debian version or your repacked version? |
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| 10:03.16 | Nik05 | hm and when printing an ascii file with lpr it prints the text file but starts with the line "<</.HWMargins[17. 12. 17. 12.]>>setpagedevice" |
| 10:03.21 | tengopreguntas | themill: the repacked. |
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| 10:03.38 | themill | tengopreguntas: what's the output of "apt-cache policy $package"? |
| 10:04.16 | Nik05 | how can stupid samba print correctly and lp and lpr cant? :( |
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| 10:04.46 | tengopreguntas | themill: yes. "500 file:/localrepo/ ./ Packages" |
| 10:04.55 | themill | that's not the entire output... |
| 10:05.09 | tengopreguntas | ok. let me paste it |
| 10:05.30 | themill | the output of "apt-cache policy" would be good to see too → paste.debian.net |
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| 10:09.18 | tengopreguntas | themill: http://pastebin.com/Uyf1SvRW |
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| 10:09.47 | tengopreguntas | themill: paste.debian.net keeps throwing an error |
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| 10:11.02 | z302 | I have swap partitions set up inside LUKS encrypted containers that are mounted at boot time by asking me the passphrase. Now I am trying the 'hibernate' function, which will put all my ram content into swap with the idea of resuming from there. Question is: Will it work? Will Debian ask me for to mount encrypted containers before resuming from hibernate or will just fail and boot without resume? |
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| 10:11.43 | crabman | Hello. I've just installed kde laptop 4.10 on my laptop with debian jessie and it's so strange and almost as bad as gnome. How do I make it more like olders versions of kde? |
| 10:12.13 | babilen | tengopreguntas: You might not be aware, but this is #debian and you should know that we only support Debian for a number of technical and social reasons. Please take it to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server. Thank you for respecting our policy! |
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| 10:12.19 | z302 | the short question basically is: does the 'mount luks partitions' step comes before the 'hibernate resume' step in a normal Debian boot process? |
| 10:12.35 | themill | tengopreguntas: so a couple of comments here (a) if you make a package that is different, you should give it a different version number (even if you just append +tengopreguntas to the version string). (b) you should configure your repository to include correct headers so you can pin properly, (c) ubuntu support is in #ubuntu |
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| 10:13.28 | tengopreguntas | the mill: what do you mean by (b) |
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| 10:17.08 | tengopreguntas1 | thank you for the info, i will ask in ubuntu |
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| 10:31.07 | abailarri | Hello. I have a vps and I installed Bind9. I buyed a new domain, and I created the zone file on bind and I specified the nameservers to the domain, but not works. Any suggestion? |
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| 10:38.36 | eb0t | hi i have an old hp laserjet 5p printer that i want to use on my debian |
| 10:38.44 | eb0t | how do i install it so it can be used |
| 10:39.03 | eb0t | i dont know what the printer is seen as in /dev |
| 10:39.45 | redhead | you need to install cups |
| 10:39.52 | babilen | eb0t: That's not how it works typically. You should install cups and then add the printer using the web interface at https://localhost:631 |
| 10:39.53 | gueney | Hello guys. I have accidentally pulled out my usb stick from my machine without umounting it. It still remains in my /media/ folder and can be browsable to a certain degree. How can I remedy that? I have no root privileges. |
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| 10:40.45 | eb0t | ah thanks redhead and babilen.....i will investigate cups...never heard of it |
| 10:41.02 | eb0t | but thanks so much for pointing me in right direction |
| 10:41.21 | babilen | eb0t: For the laserjet printers additional information can be found on http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_5P |
| 10:41.39 | babilen | eb0t: cups is the standard linux print server |
| 10:42.10 | eb0t | ah ..ok..thanks for that ..ill take a look at the website |
| 10:42.55 | babilen | Guess you'll want the hplip driver, but that webpage mentions ljet4 which I haven't used before. |
| 10:43.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell eb0t -about cups |
| 10:43.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell eb0t about cups setup |
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| 10:45.26 | babilen | eb0t: Also install hplip and you should be good. The webinterface should be relatively straightforward. |
| 10:45.39 | vipzrx | i am istalling emacs from source , it said that "Does Emacs use -lXaw3d? no" |
| 10:45.40 | eb0t | thanks babilen ..that info was very good |
| 10:45.55 | vipzrx | how can i do it ？ |
| 10:47.12 | babilen | vipzrx: You might want to ask in #emacs rather than #debian -- It should also be noted that we *do* package emacs and that you should be able to simply install it. |
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| 10:48.12 | vipzrx | i can not using the ibus-el in emacs from debian |
| 10:48.30 | vipzrx | so i want to build the emacs from the source |
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| 10:49.28 | vipzrx | i think the sorce emacs may work |
| 10:49.36 | babilen | vipzrx: Sure, but please ask upstream for support in that case. I'd like to point you to ways to actually manage those installations in a good way. Read <stow> <stow usage> and <usrlocal> please. (/msg dpkg stow usage) |
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| 10:50.07 | babilen | vipzrx: Why can't you use ibus-el from Debian if I may ask? |
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| 10:52.27 | vipzrx | it issue the error like that |
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| 10:53.29 | babilen | vipzrx: Sorry, I don't understand that statement. Which error does ibus-el issue "like that" ? |
| 10:54.11 | vipzrx | wait i monent |
| 10:54.22 | vipzrx | a moment |
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| 10:58.46 | vipzrx | babilen: AttributeError: 'IBusELInputContext' object has no attribute 'enable' |
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| 11:00.08 | vipzrx | http://paste.lisp.org/display/139351 |
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| 11:01.31 | babilen | vipzrx: /home/jb/.emacs.d/lisp/ibus.el/ibus-el-agent doesn't really look like anything installed from Debian packages :-/ |
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| 11:02.06 | vipzrx | sorry |
| 11:03.01 | badass | how can I automatically add users added with Winbind in AD to a local group? |
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| 11:03.48 | vrs | I'm on testing. I recently dist-upgraded and my fglrx (fglrx-legacy) broke, trying to reinstall it gave me this: http://pastie.org/private/oyozia6hw9a2ac029krzq |
| 11:04.24 | vrs | I have an unstable repo in my sources.list but iirc only for firefox |
| 11:04.25 | vipzrx | babilen: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139352 |
| 11:05.07 | babilen | vrs: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing support ; Looks as if you haven't completed the Xorg transition yet (it might also still be ongoing). Try a "apt-get dist-upgrade" and/or "aptitude dist-upgrade" paste the output to http://paste.debian.net and discuss it in #debian-next |
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| 11:05.24 | vrs | babilen: mk thanks |
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| 11:05.57 | babilen | vrs: firefox is also not in unstable, but a copy of your sources.list and "apt-cache policy" output would also be helpful. I'm off for lunch now, so see you later in #debian-next (others are there though) |
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| 11:07.14 | babilen | vipzrx: That shouldn't happen on wheezy |
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| 11:07.39 | vipzrx | i am using debian sid ？ |
| 11:08.36 | babilen | Oh, are you? Why are you not asking in #debian-next then? hehe ... Please mention *important* things like that and take it to the correct channel. fwiw, this is due to the ongoing ibus 1.4 to 1.5 transition and you want to read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725379 |
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| 11:09.23 | babilen | vipzrx: You also should be *very* familiar with the BTS if you track a development release of Debian. So, read the bug and ask about it in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net pelase |
| 11:09.27 | babilen | *please |
| 11:09.54 | vipzrx | thx babilen |
| 11:10.22 | babilen | And there certainly is not need to compile Emacs from source |
| 11:10.51 | babilen | (unless that bug has been fixed upstream already, but then you should simply apply their patch) |
| 11:10.58 | babilen | either way, wrong channel |
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| 11:11.42 | Name63 | hi everyone |
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| 11:12.20 | Name63 | is there any software so ease system administration |
| 11:12.37 | Name63 | or should I go to another chanell? |
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| 11:28.12 | tengopreguntas1 | i am using "dpkg-repack --generate" to build a package. is there a way i can know the name of the directory dpkg-repack created, so i can pass it to "dpkg --build" later on |
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| 11:30.47 | Sevet | vipzrx: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net, not freenode |
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| 11:31.07 | themill | tengopreguntas1: #ubnutu is still just over there → |
| 11:31.24 | tengopreguntas1 | sorry, i thought i was in ubuntu |
| 11:31.41 | tengopreguntas1 | my bad |
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| 12:26.23 | b0ng0tron | Hi, how do I stop my daemon from blocking tty? |
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| 12:26.38 | Name63 | kill it? |
| 12:26.48 | b0ng0tron | Name63: I want it to run in the background |
| 12:27.04 | Name63 | what daemon are you talking about? |
| 12:27.37 | b0ng0tron | Name63: I wrote it myself. It basically just listens to a port and if a connection is present, it does a. otherwise, it waits for one second and checks again |
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| 12:28.18 | Name63 | launch it with & at the end |
| 12:28.35 | Name63 | like ~$ script.sh & |
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| 12:29.56 | b0ng0tron | Cheers Name63 |
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| 12:32.42 | [jasper] | hej guys, what package should I install to have the latest java? |
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| 12:33.07 | [jasper] | openjdk? |
| 12:33.26 | mumpitze1 | !tell jasonwert about install java |
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| 12:35.45 | calisto | a long time ago (2 months ;-) ), I ask over a software similar to ownclowd or seafile and any propose a sofftware (spain software) but no remember the name, any know the software, its a cloud software, have a smbfs server, ftp, and service of sincroniced over many computers, permit editing documents of openoffice or libreoffice on line, etc. |
| 12:36.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell [jasper] about install java |
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| 12:37.19 | [jasper] | thx mumpitze1 I got it |
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| 12:37.26 | [jasper] | this is so cool..my nas is running airvideo now.. |
| 12:37.37 | [jasper] | can browse my complete movie library on ipad |
| 12:37.42 | [jasper] | in 1080p transcoded :p |
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| 12:46.39 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
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| 12:47.31 | AlexC_ | I'm making a package with dpkg-buildpackage, however when it gets to dpkg-genchanges it fails because it says the .dsc file does not exist. I thought this was created for me? |
| 12:48.09 | themill | do you need to tell it to build the source package too? |
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| 12:49.09 | themill | (or, more likely, stop telling it not to build the source package) |
| 12:49.15 | AlexC_ | It does that automagically I believe |
| 12:49.29 | AlexC_ | There is a flag, -b which will only build a binary package, but apart from that it will try to do both |
| 12:49.40 | themill | precisely what command are you giving? |
| 12:50.01 | AlexC_ | `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc` |
| 12:50.42 | themill | yeah, that should work. Does "dpkg-buildpackage -S" successfully build the source package for you? |
| 12:51.30 | AlexC_ | Let me see |
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| 12:52.36 | AlexC_ | themill: Yes that worked just fine |
| 12:53.23 | AlexC_ | And I can see the .dsc file |
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| 12:54.34 | b0ng0tron | This may sound stupid, but is there a way to lock a monitor (yes, a monitor) to only output for one application at a time? Eg, If I was in CLI and ran a video player, I don't want another video player to be able to play "over the top" of the initial one. |
| 12:55.16 | themill | AlexC_: yes, I would expect the dsc to be created automatically for you. I can't think of reason it wouldn't be. |
| 12:56.35 | AlexC_ | themill: Indeed, and it normally does get created for me. The only thing I've done is transfer my directory to a new build host, maybe it's missing a package or some configuration change that I haven't done on the new host |
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| 13:01.14 | halt | guys, I have a new ISP, and now I have an option to use my debian box as main GW, is there any easy and nice way to do it like on a normal router ? with wifi and dns and staff like that ? |
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| 13:03.14 | halt | with hostap, and |
| 13:03.31 | halt | all that iptables rules dnsmasq it's look s complicated |
| 13:03.40 | halt | i know i have to setup only once but still :S |
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| 13:05.50 | babilen | halt: There is no magic "router on" command if that is what you are looking for. Yes, configuring sensible routing takes time, but it doesn't sound as if you *have* to do it if you don't want to. |
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| 13:06.15 | Sevet | to simplify the firewall setup you could look a something like shorewall |
| 13:06.16 | babilen | halt: ##networking might like to discuss the more interesting aspects of your setup though |
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| 13:11.01 | halt | babilen: will go to the networking as well, and I know i do not have to but it will be a good power saving, due that the server will run 24/7 anyhow... |
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| 13:12.59 | halt | and to be honest I'm sup-prized there is no magic command/package for router config, there is so many of this magic staff, which is amazing like http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/wifite and etc :) |
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| 13:16.22 | petn-randall | halt: If you really want to do it, you'll need two network cards in your box, and start reading into the primer to Shorewall. You can use dnsmasq for DHCP and DNS, and probably need pppoe to set up your internet connection. |
| 13:17.01 | petn-randall | halt: That said, it surely is an enjoyable project (I set it up at home), but take your time doing it. |
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| 13:17.42 | babilen | I don't really see the point of shorewall. It's configuration is quite involved too and you can just as well just configure iptables directly. But my impression might also be due to the fact that I never had to configure something complicated :-/ |
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| 13:19.11 | mumpitze1 | halt: there once was ipmasq. but it's no more :( |
| 13:19.16 | petn-randall | babilen: I had to set up 6 network interfaces on a machine. Shorewall did keep me sane. It also does the routing tables for you. And has a nice 'iptrace' feature. |
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| 13:20.28 | petn-randall | babilen: And it can also catch common newbie mistakes like blackhole private subnets so they don't get routed into the outside world. |
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| 13:21.38 | halt | petn-randall: i have already to NIC on the motherboard it's a nice aleutia box with everyting i need, but I'm not really like the idea that i have to separate the function, i know that the routers today, are way more there a routing device, from the dhcp dns, mac filtering wireless ap, pppoe NAT and etc, but i'm hoping to integrae them into some sort of uniq interface, could be shell i do not mind just be a bit more copaqt then 10 different server independetly |
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| 13:22.35 | halt | mumpitze1: "Last Modified: Sat Dec 25 12:21:04 1999" :) well but yeah something like that |
| 13:22.42 | anigma_ | Is there a way to install a package (in this case xchat) with the default language? Currently my regional language is Norwegian, but I'd like to keep xchat in English. |
| 13:23.26 | petn-randall | anigma_: If you pass a different LANG environment variable, it should be doable. Try 'LANG=en xchat' on the command line. |
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| 13:26.06 | anigma_ | petn-randall: ah, look at that. Would I have to add that variable in my .bash file to make it stay that way? |
| 13:26.41 | petn-randall | anigma_: No, because it would affect all other programs, too. |
| 13:27.09 | petn-randall | anigma_: If you start it from the command line, you could set up an alias in .bashrc. |
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| 13:30.49 | anigma_ | petn-randall: I usually start it from the applications menu. Would you know where to edit the startup command for applications in GNOME 2? |
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| 13:31.08 | anigma_ | perhaps the xchat.desktop file? |
| 13:31.58 | petn-randall | anigma_: Yeah, you could edit that. |
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| 13:32.35 | scressi | im getting shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory when i open a new terminal |
| 13:32.42 | scressi | how do i figured out where this is coming from? |
| 13:32.46 | scressi | figure* |
| 13:33.02 | scressi | just move the entire homedir and work backwards? |
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| 13:34.03 | petn-randall | scressi: Do you get that on the terminal (ctrl+alt+F1), too? |
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| 13:35.15 | Tadalyn | hi |
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| 13:35.39 | uovobw | hi * |
| 13:35.47 | gregc2 | Hi! |
| 13:36.39 | gregc2 | Odd question. I have a chroot ftp enviroment with some users in it which need to reach directory structures outside its chroot enviroment (shared) how do i do this without mounts as symbolic links do not allow for this? |
| 13:36.41 | Tadalyn | my vga card: Nvidia 7300 GS 256mb ram ! which driver install ? nvidiia or nvidia-96xx ? |
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| 13:38.02 | jelly-home | Tadalyn: current nvidia probably won't work |
| 13:38.48 | mumpitze1 | jelly-home: afaik it will. even 6000 series does |
| 13:38.57 | Tadalyn | not working :( |
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| 13:39.48 | jelly-home | Tadalyn: how do the free drivers fail for you? |
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| 13:41.27 | mumpitze1 | Tadalyn: 304.x supports your 7300 GS |
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| 13:43.15 | Tadalyn | lol working |
| 13:43.24 | Tadalyn | thanks |
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| 13:44.30 | Tadalyn | modprobe nvidia |
| 13:44.43 | Tadalyn | FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 13:44.47 | Tadalyn | grr |
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| 13:46.20 | uovobw | gregc2: i think that would pretty much defeat the concept of chroot... |
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| 13:47.59 | Tadalyn | ok find problem :D not install nvidia-kernel :D |
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| 13:48.22 | chrisoprase | hi |
| 13:48.43 | chrisoprase | I have a usb with debian iso installed |
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| 13:49.18 | chrisoprase | I'd like to install grub and /boot partition to it, but still be able to boot the iso |
| 13:49.25 | chrisoprase | Is this possible? |
| 13:50.50 | babilen | chrisoprase: Are you thinking of a setup as detailed on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible ? |
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| 13:51.04 | gregc2 | Its a custom chroot shared enviroment |
| 13:51.07 | gregc2 | unique |
| 13:51.29 | babilen | chrisoprase: Or rather something like: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd ? |
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| 13:55.50 | The_Schmidt | chrisoprase: is this more like what you were thinking? http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1804 |
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| 13:57.12 | chrisoprase | babilen: checked your links and that's not exactly what i want though it gives some clues |
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| 13:58.13 | abailarri | Hello. I'm getting the error ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host when I try to connect to my server |
| 13:58.20 | abailarri | Any syggestion?= |
| 13:58.20 | The_Schmidt | chrisoprase: ultimatebootcd and hirens both have a lot of bootloaders on them .. you might look into those |
| 13:58.29 | mumpitze1 | chrisoprase: use a debian livecd ISO, then it's pretty easy to do |
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| 13:58.39 | abailarri | from my IP I can't, form other IP yes I can |
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| 13:58.55 | mumpitze1 | abailarri: then the server refuses your connection,e.g. fail2ban for example |
| 13:59.11 | abailarri | mumixam: why? |
| 13:59.14 | abailarri | is my server! |
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| 13:59.37 | chrisoprase | I should explain better: I have windows on my hdd, and I want to install debian on another partition; But I want to have the /boot files and grub on a usb; the usb I have available already has an iso installed, and I dont want to lose the ability to boot it |
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| 13:59.46 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: did you search for the exact error? |
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| 14:00.15 | abailarri | The_Schmidt: The error is this: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 14:00.28 | abailarri | and only appear me, not to other IP's |
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| 14:00.37 | abailarri | I have installed denyhosts |
| 14:00.39 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: i tried searching and got this as a result https://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Ssh_exchange_identification:_Connection_closed_by_remote_host |
| 14:00.52 | mumpitze1 | abailarri: log into it from the other IP and check it out |
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| 14:02.04 | abailarri | The_Schmidt: I do it and not solves the problem |
| 14:02.18 | abailarri | mumpitze1: what I need to check? |
| 14:02.22 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: you could always remove and reinstall ssh |
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| 14:02.28 | abailarri | the denyhost config? |
| 14:02.30 | crabman | Hello. I am trying to file a crash report in kde application using kde crash reporting assistant and it says that I need debug information for /usr/bin/kwin. What -dbg package do I need to install for that? |
| 14:02.33 | abailarri | reinstall shh¿ |
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| 14:02.43 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: that's what you're trying to use, right? |
| 14:02.57 | abailarri | yes |
| 14:03.17 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: just the ssh server ... and perhaps a dpkg-reconfigure of it if there is one |
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| 14:03.29 | mumpitze1 | abailarri: ssh -vv user@yoursshserver.com |
| 14:03.53 | mumpitze1 | The_Schmidt: why when he can log in, just from another host. then it doesn't look like it's the server |
| 14:03.53 | The_Schmidt | very verbose? |
| 14:04.00 | petn-randall | abailarri: On the server that refuses connection, look into /var/log/auth.log for the reasons. |
| 14:04.20 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: possible your firewall doesn't have the right port open? |
| 14:04.20 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: this has info when he doesn't get to the pw prompt? |
| 14:04.33 | gregc2 | Odd question. I have a chroot ftp enviroment with some users in it which need to reach directory structures outside its chroot enviroment (shared) how do i do this without mounts as symbolic links do not allow for this? |
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| 14:04.39 | petn-randall | mumpitze1: Either it's a firewall/fail2ban, or he has too many ssh keys in his keyring. |
| 14:04.41 | abailarri | The_Schmidt: a few hour ago, I can enter to my server |
| 14:04.46 | abailarri | is now that I can't |
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| 14:05.07 | petn-randall | gregc2: It still defeats the purpose of chroot. What exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:05.10 | The_Schmidt | abailarri: can you log into it locally on 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 14:05.46 | abailarri | log what? |
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| 14:06.23 | gregc2 | a shared directory structure for all users to access |
| 14:06.34 | gregc2 | while retaining a local directory for their own things |
| 14:06.46 | petn-randall | abailarri: Does 'ssh root@localhost' work on the problematic server? |
| 14:06.57 | uovobw | gregc2: i think you need something external that manages that, take a look at containers/lxc |
| 14:06.58 | petn-randall | abailarri: What does /var/log/auth.log on the server say? |
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| 14:07.18 | abailarri | I'm watching |
| 14:07.35 | gregc2 | looks |
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| 14:08.44 | abailarri | petn-randall: with the root@localhost work fine |
| 14:09.01 | kruug | When I do `apt-get update` I get a few IGN lines, but I can't find them in my apt.sources list. Is there a way to clean out sources without directly editing that file? |
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| 14:10.47 | petn-randall | abailarri: .... and the log file, when you try to log in from the problematic computer? |
| 14:11.35 | abailarri | I'm looking... |
| 14:11.50 | Sevet | kruug: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 14:12.43 | Sevet | kruug: apt'll download multiple files from each source listed. IGN means the cached copy is the same as the one on the server |
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| 14:14.05 | chrisoprase | The_Schmidt: this is what i'm trying to do with debian http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1543878&s=7d92585400188144fc6337de04964131&p=9666604#post9666604 |
| 14:14.25 | kruug | Sevet: yeah, there's 5 items in there |
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| 14:15.40 | The_Schmidt | chrisoprase: sry i gotta run.. maybe someone else can help ya |
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| 14:19.01 | t0ke | I need Iceweasel to open magnet links in transmission, but I can't seem to find where the Transmission executable is. How do I do this? |
| 14:19.41 | Guest82529 | which transmission |
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| 14:20.04 | t0ke | The gui, the one that opens by typing 'transmission' in terminal |
| 14:20.11 | Guest82529 | Actually: which transmission-gtk |
| 14:20.13 | mumpitze1 | t0ke: dpkg -L transmission |grep bin |
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| 14:20.49 | mumpitze1 | t0ke: also, in a terminal, "which transmission" |
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| 14:21.17 | t0ke | mumpitzel: "dpkg -L transmission |grep bin" returns dpkg-query: package 'transmission' is not installed Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. |
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| 14:21.52 | t0ke | Ahh one second |
| 14:21.55 | t0ke | I've made a mistake |
| 14:22.26 | t0ke | It was called "transmission-gtk" |
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| 14:24.04 | gregc2 | yeah lxc isnt really a real option |
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| 14:28.29 | crabman | I installed KDE and while using it laptop's battery charges only to 50%. How do I fix that? |
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| 14:30.09 | babilen | .oO( Don't unplug it too that early! ) |
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| 14:32.17 | gregc2 | Odd question. I have a chroot ftp enviroment with some users in it which need to reach directory structures outside its chroot enviroment (shared) how do i do this without mounts as symbolic links do not allow for this? |
| 14:33.11 | Sevet | do hard links work? |
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| 14:33.44 | s_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.05 | babilen | s_: Because that file couldn't be loaded. |
| 14:34.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell s_ -about smart questions |
| 14:34.28 | Sevet | s_: is that the full error? |
| 14:34.41 | s_ | okey. I search google. |
| 14:34.42 | babilen | s_: Please also read http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ and provide commands + complete output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:35.06 | s_ | Actualy I cant find this library. |
| 14:35.06 | vasile | Hrm. My X61 might need replacing. Anybody in love with their powerful 10" wide laptop that runs Debian flawlessly? |
| 14:35.20 | babilen | gregc2: That somehow defeats the purpose of the chroot doesn't it? Why chroot in the first place and can't you make that data available *in* it? |
| 14:35.22 | mumpitze1 | only 10" wide? |
| 14:35.28 | mumpitze1 | and why not get another thinkpad? |
| 14:35.58 | vasile | mumpitze1: the X61 is 10". It fits in my bag. I have a Carbon X1. It's too wide at 13" |
| 14:36.09 | vasile | mumpitze1: Thinkpad doesn't seem to make narrow laptops anymore. |
| 14:36.15 | mumpitze1 | then get a x220. 30.5cm high |
| 14:36.18 | vasile | everything is wide for 16:9 screen ratios |
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| 14:36.25 | babilen | s_: Do you seriously think that we are able to help you with the little information you are giving us? Hell, we don't even know which *command* results in that error. |
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| 14:36.37 | babilen | moves vasile to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 14:36.53 | vasile | babilen: I'm going to run Debian on it. :P |
| 14:36.55 | Warp4 | (movie reference) time to get a bigger bag (/movie reference) |
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| 14:37.21 | Warp4 | or rather "looks like you're going to need a bigger bag." :D |
| 14:37.28 | mumpitze1 | vasile: I don't think you will find any 10" one. even the x131e which is 11" is almost 30cm |
| 14:37.34 | babilen | vasile: Yes, but it is still better suited for our offtopic channel, which is nice, relaxed and layed back. |
| 14:37.35 | vasile | Warp4: I'd settle for a big boat to put the bag in. |
| 14:37.42 | Warp4 | LOL |
| 14:37.43 | vasile | mumpitze1: Yeah, I think that's right. |
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| 14:37.47 | vasile | babilen: You're right, of course. |
| 14:38.02 | Sevet | s_: 1) what's giving the error 2) is that the full error 3) is libpng installed? |
| 14:38.08 | Warp4 | vasile, sorry. just in a funny mood this morning for some reason. |
| 14:38.22 | Warp4 | guess its because im enjoying x2go too much :) |
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| 14:38.50 | vasile | Warp4: Funny moods are always welcome. |
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| 14:54.18 | gregc2 | ah hah figured out a fix |
| 14:54.20 | gregc2 | finally |
| 14:54.26 | gregc2 | thanks for the help guys |
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| 14:56.07 | babilen | gregc2: What was it? |
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| 14:59.12 | gregc2 | ftp servers have a regex permit and visible attritubte |
| 14:59.17 | gregc2 | removed chroot |
| 14:59.28 | gregc2 | went with a dynamic implementation of regex |
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| 15:07.30 | Sary | Salutations! |
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| 15:08.58 | oo_miguel | Can I install debian with the debian installer on a system without any harddisk, and use an usb stick for storage? |
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| 15:10.47 | d3sync | oo_miguel yes you can |
| 15:10.49 | Sary | i've been trying to create a bootable usb stick of debian jessie, but to no avail! tried with the debian-7.1.0-amd64-CD-2.iso , and debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 15:11.26 | gregc2 | you sure can |
| 15:11.56 | mumpitze1 | Sary: under what OS with what software? |
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| 15:12.44 | d3sync | oo_miguel: i d recommend u to use Linux Live USB Creator for that and click on "Persistance" if you want to use it on multiple computers. Otherwise a normal installation would work aswell |
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| 15:14.36 | Sary | dd'ing the iso didn't work, got a bootable one using unetbootin , it reach the menu, but it gets stuck after selecting one of the options! |
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| 15:15.26 | babilen | oo_miguel: http://live.debian.net/manual/current/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#52 |
| 15:16.14 | Sary | mumpitze1: under ubuntu, with to methods ( dd, unetbootin ). |
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| 15:16.36 | babilen | Sary: The testing installer is really not expected to work at this point in the release cycle (and unetbootin tends to break our installers). I would recommend using the stable installer. I would furthermore recommend to *not* install testing directly with the stable installer but wheezy (i.e. stable) first and to take it from there. |
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| 15:17.14 | babilen | Sary: Oh, and CD2 is not bootable. You would need the netinstall, CD1, DVD1, ... |
| 15:17.34 | babilen | Sary: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
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| 15:18.18 | Sary | babilen: noted! |
| 15:18.32 | Sary | babilen: Yes i would. |
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| 15:20.31 | babilen | Sary: In that case I would recommend to give the netinstall image with firmware a try and to install a minimal wheezy system (standard task only). Once you are done with that upgrade to jessie (cf. "/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie") and install whatever else you want. (e.g. "/msg dpkg install x" ...) |
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| 15:23.33 | dryzer | hi |
| 15:23.33 | Sary | babilen: i'd try that , am just running ubuntu live-cd from this new machine. |
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| 15:23.40 | Sary | hey |
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| 15:24.10 | Sary | So, 7.1.0 is stable (wheezy)! |
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| 15:24.18 | dryzer | It's possible to upgrade a script started like daemon ? |
| 15:24.18 | babilen | yes |
| 15:24.28 | babilen | Sary: yes ^^ |
| 15:24.51 | babilen | dryzer: I don't quite understand your question. Could you provide more information? |
| 15:25.26 | Sary | then i believe i was trying to get a bootable usb with stable and not testing. |
| 15:25.35 | oo_miguel | d3sync: babilen thank you |
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| 15:26.50 | dryzer | babilen :I launch a script as a daemon and I need to upgrade it |
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| 15:27.13 | EmleyMoor | dryzer: So, where's your problem exactly? |
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| 15:27.34 | crabman | I have a message about exception in dmesg. How do I choose a package to file bug report? |
| 15:27.34 | babilen | dryzer: Which script? What does it mean to "launch a script as a daemon"? What does this have to do with Debian? Which version do you want to upgrade to and from? |
| 15:28.08 | babilen | Sary: You said you used 7.1.0 CD2 which wouldn't work. |
| 15:28.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sary -about usb install |
| 15:28.14 | dryzer | babilen : only script know that it must upgrade himself |
| 15:28.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sary -about firmware image |
| 15:28.26 | n0c | hi there |
| 15:28.29 | babilen | dryzer: What does this have to do with Debian? |
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| 15:28.32 | n0c | i'm getting issues trying to build kernels |
| 15:28.38 | n0c | like so: http://i.minus.com/j2SnOJiO1Hr9K.png |
| 15:28.41 | babilen | don't build one then :) |
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| 15:28.57 | n0c | hilarious.. :| |
| 15:28.58 | maleckii | n0c: you're out of disk space |
| 15:29.04 | n0c | maleckii: incorrect |
| 15:29.07 | n0c | next caller! |
| 15:29.08 | babilen | n0c: "No space left on device" is a pretty good clue on what's going on. |
| 15:29.14 | n0c | babilen: incorrect |
| 15:29.16 | n0c | next caller! |
| 15:29.24 | n0c | it's not disk / inodes |
| 15:29.27 | babilen | n0c: No, you are. Show us the output of "df -h" on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 15:29.41 | n0c | *sigh* |
| 15:29.43 | n0c | reallyt dude? |
| 15:29.47 | maleckii | yes |
| 15:29.48 | babilen | yes, really |
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| 15:29.52 | n0c | /dev/sda3 66G 45G 20G 70% / |
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| 15:29.57 | dryzer | babilen : because I'm under Debian ;) My question is too large to be here ? |
| 15:29.58 | n0c | like i already told you, it's not disk space |
| 15:30.04 | babilen | n0c: That's not the entire output. |
| 15:30.12 | n0c | i have been running linux since kernel 1.2 |
| 15:30.18 | n0c | this is an issue with the build environment |
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| 15:30.38 | maleckii | n0c: if you've been running linux for that long, you should know how to answer questions when people try to help you |
| 15:30.40 | babilen | Feel free to debug it yourself if you don't want our help. ##linux might also be an option. |
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| 15:31.20 | babilen | dryzer: Seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you asking how to self-upgrade a script that you programmed in some programming language? |
| 15:31.23 | n0c | babilen: if you insist on seeing it all here it is http://i.minus.com/jAtRW9wYGaj0H.png |
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| 15:31.33 | n0c | that's great you want to see df -h |
| 15:31.37 | n0c | but it's not a disk space issue |
| 15:31.39 | n0c | period |
| 15:31.49 | dryzer | babilen : yes, sorry for my bad english |
| 15:32.04 | n0c | this is a btrfs filesystem |
| 15:32.25 | n0c | i believe the issue is within the build directory, ./var exceeds a certain length |
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| 15:32.39 | maleckii | dryzer: generically, one would overwrite the script file in place, and then kill/restart the script |
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| 15:33.21 | babilen | n0c: Why can't you paste to text based pastebin? |
| 15:33.28 | dryzer | babilen : ok but only root could start/stop/restart in /etc/init.d/... |
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| 15:33.49 | Sevet | n0c: is it trying to use /tmp and running out of space there perhaps? |
| 15:33.54 | dryzer | maleckii : ok but only root could start/stop/restart in /etc/init.d/... |
| 15:33.57 | maleckii | n0c: might be your metadata usage if you're on btrfs then |
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| 15:34.03 | n0c | Sevet: nope, i've been monitoring /tmpo |
| 15:34.11 | maleckii | n0c: see https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Problem_FAQ#I_get_.22No_space_left_on_device.22_errors.2C_but_df_says_I.27ve_got_lots_of_space |
| 15:34.11 | n0c | /tmp is within the root filesystem |
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| 15:34.22 | Dwarf | Why are there two versions of this in backports? linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 and linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 15:34.22 | jordanm | n0c: ext2/3/4 do not have a max file path length like ntfs |
| 15:34.36 | maleckii | jordanm: he's running btrfs |
| 15:34.37 | n0c | maleckii: ahh great thank you for the link... i suspected it was btrfs' fault |
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| 15:35.18 | n0c | i remounted / with the compress option also but this rebalance should help, thanks again! |
| 15:35.28 | maleckii | np n0c |
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| 15:39.44 | n0c | yeah nice, btw dropbox and btrfs can be problematic re: btrfs metadata density |
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| 15:43.25 | babilen | n0c: Look into git-annex for a nice dropbox replacement. (for a nice video see http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ ) |
| 15:43.37 | babilen | Well, it is so much more than dropbox |
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| 15:44.02 | oo_miguel | i downloaded debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso , die a "cp" directly to /dev/sde (which is my usb stick) and now when I try to boot it i get: isonlinux.bin missing or corrupt. scrolling infinitely through my screen. The computer is already quite old, pentium 4 from 2003 or something like this. |
| 15:44.08 | oo_miguel | s/die/did |
| 15:44.24 | Sary | babilen: thanks bud! BRB. |
| 15:44.33 | geggam_ | cp or dd ? |
| 15:44.45 | oo_miguel | geggam_: cp *.iso /dev/sde |
| 15:44.59 | oo_miguel | like the manual states |
| 15:45.05 | babilen | geggam_: cp is perfectly fine and, in fact, the recommended way as it scales blocksize automagically and doesn't have the weird syntax of dd |
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| 15:46.31 | geggam_ | babilen, ... i tend to not call things perfectly fine when they dont work :) |
| 15:46.37 | oo_miguel | haha |
| 15:46.39 | geggam_ | but you know best |
| 15:46.48 | oo_miguel | so any suggestions what I Can do? |
| 15:46.55 | oo_miguel | the stick boots perfectly on other machines |
| 15:47.05 | geggam_ | ask babilen ... he/she seems to know the answer |
| 15:47.34 | babilen | oo_miguel: Could you check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded? |
| 15:47.40 | oo_miguel | however I can boot the ubuntu installer on that one, which I put on the stick in a similar fashion : zcat ubuntu.iso > /dev/sde |
| 15:47.49 | oo_miguel | babilen: ok |
| 15:47.50 | babilen | oo_miguel: You verified that it boots on other boxes? |
| 15:48.10 | oo_miguel | babilen: I did not, sorry. I just remember that the same procedure worked before on other boxes |
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| 15:48.14 | oo_miguel | but not this particular stick |
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| 15:48.19 | oo_miguel | ill check the md5 |
| 15:48.43 | philipp_ | hi, i am trying to install the guest addons in debian. i heared you do that with the m-a but i cant find the right option |
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| 15:49.16 | oo_miguel | babilen: the md5 sum is correct |
| 15:49.21 | Tylertwo | oo_miguel: I had the same thing happen to me and writing the .iso to usb via unetbootin solved it |
| 15:49.25 | babilen | oo_miguel: Just wanted to verify. It *might* be that our image does not actually work with your particular computer and the people in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net would probably be interested in speaking to you in that case. |
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| 15:49.58 | oo_miguel | babilen: , Tylertwo: i will do both things thank you |
| 15:50.00 | babilen | Tylertwo: Unfortunately unetbootin causes other problems later in the installation, but it is worth a try. |
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| 15:50.05 | maleckii | philipp_: run 'm-a prepare', then run VBoxLinuxAdditions.run |
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| 15:50.37 | Tylertwo | babilen: Didn't seem to cause any problems for me. |
| 15:50.52 | babilen | maleckii: Are you sure? Most module-assistant stuff has been replaced by the much superior DKMS infrastructure. I don't use virtualbox though so wouldn't really know. |
| 15:50.59 | philipp_ | maleckii: VBoxLinuxAdditions.run? where can i find that? |
| 15:51.02 | Tylertwo | I gotta go now, gl |
| 15:51.14 | philipp_ | i am using virualbox with rdesktop without gui |
| 15:51.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell philipp_ -about vbox |
| 15:51.19 | maleckii | hm, haven't done vbox additions in awhile. you're probably right babilen |
| 15:51.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell philipp_ about vbox guest |
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| 15:51.52 | babilen | maleckii: yeah, looks like it. It was more a "gut feeling" rather than actual knowledge though :) |
| 15:52.36 | babilen | I don't really use vbox as I very much prefer KVM/libvirt (with or without virt-manager for different setups). |
| 15:52.41 | philipp_ | babilen: i aprechiate your help but dpkg is flooting me. i think the important thing was install virtualbox-guest-utils ... |
| 15:52.48 | babilen | "flooting" ? |
| 15:53.09 | maleckii | and we're a vmware shop over here |
| 15:53.35 | geggam_ | vmare is nice if someone else is paying for it |
| 15:53.37 | babilen | Our bot sent you two factoids ; I wouldn't necessarily call that "floo[d]ing". In particular if those factoids contain the information you need. |
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| 15:54.55 | philipp_ | babilen: ye sry... the old factoids were still standing there and i thought its like 10 of them :P |
| 15:55.02 | geggam_ | there are two ways i have had success making a thumbdrive with an iso... one is mounting the iso and the thumbdrive..copying the data with cp and then running syslinux to make the thumb bootable.. the other is dd... i think the dd syntax helps people understand computers ... like they should |
| 15:55.13 | geggam_ | for what its worth |
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| 15:56.04 | babilen | oo_miguel: Also: was the stick mounted when you wrote to it? |
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| 15:56.52 | philipp_ | babilen: can you give me a link to a wiki or something? |
| 15:56.55 | babilen | geggam_: It's a common misconception that dd somehow allows for "deeper" access than "cp" or "cat" unfortunately. |
| 15:57.31 | geggam_ | its not a deeper access that i like.. its the understanding of what i am doing babilen ... :) |
| 15:57.33 | oo_miguel | babilen: it was not mounted |
| 15:57.45 | babilen | philipp_: Google for "debian vbox wiki" and see if that yields something ;) |
| 15:57.55 | oo_miguel | babilen: should it be!? I suppose it would be impossible to write directly to it than? |
| 15:58.07 | babilen | oo_miguel: No, it should *not* be mounted. |
| 15:58.30 | oo_miguel | babilen: allright , thanks again |
| 15:58.30 | philipp_ | babilen: i already saied that i just can find wiki that want me to add the addons by clicking in the gui i dont have... |
| 15:58.45 | philipp_ | is really EVERYONE using that lame qt gui of virtualbox? |
| 15:59.15 | babilen | oo_miguel: There is simply *some* hardware that doesn't work with out hybrid installers. It might be that we still haven't quite figured out *why* that is as none of the involved people have access to that hardware. Not sure though as I am not involved in that part of the Debian project. (hence my recommendation to ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:59.20 | maleckii | philipp_: well, you have to tell virtualbox to mount the CD in the quest that contains the tools |
| 15:59.27 | maleckii | s/quest/guest |
| 15:59.47 | maleckii | there might be a way to do that without the gui, but the gui is the easiest. |
| 16:00.10 | mtn | philipp_: virtualbox has a good manual on their website, if that helps |
| 16:00.11 | maleckii | if you don't want to use the virtualbox-provided tools, i hear a lot of people have luck installing open-vm-tools |
| 16:00.25 | maleckii | apt-get install open-vm-tools |
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| 16:00.48 | babilen | philipp_: Install virtualbox-guest-utils in the guest and read /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-guest-utils/README* would be my best advice |
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| 16:01.30 | Dwarf | Why are there two versions of this in backports? linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 and linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64. What are the differences? |
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| 16:02.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Dwarf -about kernel abi |
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| 16:04.59 | Dwarf | I see, I thought it had something to do with release candidates and whatnot. Good to know that it's stable and safe to install |
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| 16:06.14 | crabman | Is there a way to make a screenshot in debian not using kde/gnome specific utilities? |
| 16:06.27 | Dwarf | crabman: Scrot |
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| 16:07.07 | crabman | And if I need to do that while holding alt+tab keys? |
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| 16:07.33 | Dwarf | Also, babilen: should I pick common or amd64? |
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| 16:08.34 | babilen | Dwarf: I typically recommend to simply install the metapackage for your architecture. That would be linux-image-amd64 for amd64. |
| 16:08.44 | Dwarf | Alright, what's the common package for? |
| 16:08.48 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-amd64 --release sid |
| 16:08.49 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 in sid/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64. |
| 16:08.54 | philipp_ | babilen: that file does not exist |
| 16:09.01 | Sevet | it depends on (therefore installs) the 'best' version |
| 16:09.10 | Dwarf | Aah |
| 16:09.12 | Dwarf | I see |
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| 16:09.29 | Dwarf | Thanks a bunch |
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| 16:10.18 | babilen | philipp_: Is there no /usr/share/doc/*virtualbox*/README* either ? |
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| 16:10.40 | babilen | philipp_: I don't use that software so I am obviously not the best person to support it. |
| 16:10.42 | elvisthedj | I have about a 4 minute delay after logging in via gdm .. 3/12 minutes until gnome wallpaper.. another 30 seconds until gnome loads.. which log should i look at to figure out what is causing this? (debian wheezy, intel i7, 16gb ram) |
| 16:11.23 | babilen | elvisthedj: /var/log/Xorg.0.log alond with ~/.xsession-errors would be interesting. I'd also recommend to create a complete new test user and check the behaviour there |
| 16:11.27 | babilen | *along |
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| 16:12.24 | elvisthedj | babilen: ty. i'll have a look. thought if it was an x server error it would take a long time to get to gdm (which loads quickly) .. but i will go check it out |
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| 16:16.11 | DoctorBTC | so, just upgraded to wheezy... wondering how I can get the dark theme back? i don't see any settings for that now (gnome) |
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| 16:22.27 | _Sam--- | hi, is there a way to export the list of packages that are installed on one debian machine, and apt-get them all on a different machine? |
| 16:22.42 | _Sam--- | in one fell swoop, or close? |
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| 16:23.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell _Sam--- about aptitude clone |
| 16:23.43 | _Sam--- | thank you. |
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| 16:28.23 | icjs | DoctorBTC, i dont think there are any built in. you could try and install one manually from http://gnome-look.org |
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| 16:30.28 | Dark_light | I know this is a silly question but how often does testing breaks? I use stable on my desktop but wanted to try testing on the laptop, I know my way around things in linux so I'm scared about the breakages per se but rather about the severity/frequency ratio |
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| 16:31.47 | maleckii | less stable than stable, more stable than sid? |
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| 16:32.42 | icjs | Dark_light, why run testing rather than stable? |
| 16:33.13 | Dark_light | icjs: mostly because of the up to date packages, of them in particular xorg since the intel card has some tearing issue that is solved with the newer driver |
| 16:33.22 | oo_miguel | can i mount a ext4 file system from the installers shell? |
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| 16:33.39 | Sevet | oo_miguel: yes |
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| 16:33.51 | jhutchins | Dark_light: Testing usually won't eat your data, it's mostly things like the xorg driver for Intel or some minor breakage that lasts for a few days. |
| 16:34.09 | icjs | Dark_light, ok. i am not sure of testing, but i hear that even unstable 9sid) is pretty solid so testing should be more so |
| 16:34.12 | babilen | maleckii: "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing" btw |
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| 16:35.04 | icjs | Dark_light, i have been running stable on my (old) laptop for last few years. you might want to check your model here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ and here http://www.linlap.com/ |
| 16:35.10 | babilen | Dark_light: Package removals during transitions and the repurcussions of you jumping into an upgrade that you shouldn't have done (yet) are quite annoying. It takes a bit of knowledge and *paying attention* to do it. |
| 16:35.26 | oo_miguel | I am trying to mount an usb stick which i formatted with ext4 inside the insalleters shell and it says: no such file or directory.. what does this mean |
| 16:35.30 | icjs | Dark_light, you might be able to get away with stable on your laptop and install a newer sriver from wheezy-backports |
| 16:35.49 | maleckii | i'm running jessie on my home machines, because of sssd, but i could probably get away with wheezy-backports |
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| 16:36.18 | babilen | Dark_light: Please also read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as it contains tips that are applicable to testing too. |
| 16:36.32 | xtreme | Hey guys, I am upgrade debian 6 to 7. (i am upgrading VPS) so through it through SSH. |
| 16:36.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Dark_light -about testing |
| 16:36.49 | Dark_light | icjs: that would have been my choice too, the problem is that it hasn't been backported, I could just backport it myself from the sid sources but I'm pretty sure it would then need a newer libdrm and I'm afraid it'd trigger a chain of packages to upgrade/recompile |
| 16:36.53 | babilen | dpkg: Ask the bot about all referenced factoids (stuff in <...>) |
| 16:36.53 | dpkg | babilen: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:36.56 | babilen | err |
| 16:37.05 | icjs | maleckii, i am running wheezy on my laptop with an ssd. what is specific about jessie and ssd? |
| 16:37.05 | babilen | Dark_light: Ask the bot about all referenced factoids (stuff in <...>) |
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| 16:37.09 | xtreme | While upgrading, i am stuck as a weird man page. which i am not able to pass. Any one please assist me? |
| 16:37.16 | babilen | icjs: Nothing |
| 16:37.16 | Dark_light | babilen: thank you, I'll read through it |
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| 16:37.37 | maleckii | icjs: not SSD, SSSD. The System Security Services Daemon. I have a ipa domain. |
| 16:38.14 | WrenFROST | Hey guys, do you know if the multi-arch iso will work on non-pae chips? |
| 16:38.17 | icjs | Dark_light, yes, that situation can be painful. i can only suggest a DIY approach or try jessie. |
| 16:38.18 | xtreme | i think its a change log. |
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| 16:38.45 | icjs | maleckii, ah ok. apologies. |
| 16:39.39 | abrotman | WrenFROST: it should |
| 16:39.51 | jhutchins | Dark_light: Does Wheezy work on your system? |
| 16:40.17 | WrenFROST | ok! Thanks! |
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| 16:40.50 | Dark_light | jhutchins: yes it does, the only issue being some video tearing as I said above, it's not terrible but it is a bit annoying also considering that it is fixed with the newer driver |
| 16:40.57 | jhutchins | Dark_light: What you could do is set it up to dual-boot, that way when Jessie DOES break, you can fall back and still use the laptop, and you can do updates in a chroot until it gets fixed. |
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| 17:06.39 | Sary | Back. |
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| 17:09.09 | Sary | still unable to install debian stable, i get a messed up screen and if i select any option the installer freezes! |
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| 17:11.29 | Sary | i am thinking it might be related to the GPU on this machine, but i can't even reach to grub cli to try a kernel boot option! |
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| 17:17.03 | Sary | any suggestions! |
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| 17:17.59 | tonph | hi , am using wheezy 64 bit. M not able to use the skype video ! any one has any spare know how on that? please do share |
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| 17:21.37 | jhutchins | !skype |
| 17:21.37 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64>, <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>. |
| 17:22.14 | Dark_light | Sary: are you by any chance installing from a usb key and have another one plugged in too (like for the wifi/ethernet firmware) ? |
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| 17:23.33 | tonph | dpkg: thanks for the info, once i think i was able to use that in ubuntu. So was hoping in debian too. Still let me read the artcle, and thanks |
| 17:23.33 | dpkg | my pleasure, tonph |
| 17:24.01 | mjt | tonph: fwiw, dpkg is a bot |
| 17:24.04 | mjt | !bot |
| 17:24.04 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 17:24.45 | shurnormal | !oracle |
| 17:24.46 | dpkg | hmm... oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://linux.togaware.com/survivor/Oracle_10g.html . Debian packages (for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/. #oracle on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:25.15 | jhutchins | Sary: Check your image. Checksum of the ISO and the device/disk should match those posted on the web site. |
| 17:25.54 | Sary | Dark_light: hey, I am trying to install from a usb media indeed, but without a second one! |
| 17:25.59 | tonph | :) bot - then thats is a very intelligent bot then. well sophisticated one should be, as it anwered very well. :) |
| 17:26.47 | Sary | jhutchins: hey, md5sum checked. |
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| 17:28.59 | jhutchins | tonph: It's a matter of keeping it properly fed. |
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| 17:29.22 | jhutchins | Sary: Can you see the options to select advanced/text mode? |
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| 17:31.15 | tonph | jhutchins : he he sophisticated bot its nice ... but its there any prospect if fed properly ll become more bigger bot .. :) |
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| 17:32.00 | Sary | jhutchins: no text mode, although i can see the other options but the screen is messed! i can see a GRUB cli option by hitting 'C ' after i do that the installer just freezes! |
| 17:33.13 | tonph | k guys got to run, thanks. |
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| 17:34.47 | Sary | the graphic on the installer menu is all messed up!, and it's shown a spilt screen. |
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| 17:37.19 | Sary | it's the ' debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso ' image , with the menu options " install - advance install,etc). |
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| 17:37.37 | Dwarf | Try installing in CLI mode instead |
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| 17:38.47 | Sary | can't reach the cli mode, if i hit any key or select an option the installer freezes!. |
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| 17:40.02 | abailarri | Hello. I installed bind on my vps with wheezy and I buyed a domain. I configured the bind for this domain, but it not works, the domain not resolvs to my vps. Any suggestion? |
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| 17:40.23 | Sary | at this point, i was hoping i could reach the GRUP cli menu to try one othe kernel boot options! |
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| 17:42.57 | pirret | abailarri: rtfm |
| 17:43.46 | Sary | i'll see how it goes with the full image! |
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| 17:44.51 | NotJimCarrey | anyone recommend an X frontend for mame? |
| 17:45.04 | abailarri | pirret: I configured the names and zones, and I do all, but not resolvs |
| 17:45.27 | abailarri | I don't know what more I need to di |
| 17:45.28 | abailarri | do |
| 17:45.36 | abailarri | I readed a lot of tutorials |
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| 17:46.20 | mumpitze1 | abailarri: do you want local DNS for yourself or do you want to act authoritative for your domain? |
| 17:47.06 | Sary | BRB!. |
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| 17:47.11 | jl- | please help me pick my winning logo http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T3TSVXL |
| 17:47.18 | abailarri | mumixam: is for a remote vps. |
| 17:47.29 | abailarri | For authoritative |
| 17:47.55 | mumpitze1 | abailarri: so have you entered it as such with your registrar? |
| 17:48.18 | abailarri | in the domain? |
| 17:49.00 | pirret | may i ask the domain you are working wiht? |
| 17:49.23 | abailarri | in the domain I tiped my nameservers |
| 17:49.36 | abailarri | and in theory, the domain is correct |
| 17:49.43 | abailarri | The problem is in muy dns server |
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| 17:50.43 | pirret | gimme the domain name |
| 17:50.51 | mumpitze1 | abailarri: you bought the domain from a registrar, right? have you entered your domain server in their database so the wider internet knows which DNS server it has to ask about it? |
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| 17:52.11 | dooglus | "Package emacs24 is not available, but is referred to by another package." -- is it available somehow? |
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| 17:53.30 | abailarri | mumpitze1: yes I buyed the domain, and yes, I said to use my domain nameservers. The secondary nameserver works for me. The problem comes with the primary, which is what I created using BIND. Is not working. |
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| 18:00.30 | tunabreath | HELLO, oprofile is not in the wheezy repos due to out of date and no kernel v3 support. Can anybody point me to an alternative package? |
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| 18:05.55 | Dwarf | I installed nvidia-glx yet bumblebee prefers nouveau, and when I force nvidia it refuses to run |
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| 18:07.36 | oo_miguel | so during installation i just selected my wlan ssid and typed in the password, and internet worked. how can I set it up again, after rebooting? |
| 18:07.50 | mumpitze1 | use network-manager |
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| 18:08.10 | oo_miguel | it is not installed, and i do not have internet there |
| 18:08.18 | mumpitze1 | what is installed? |
| 18:08.27 | oo_miguel | just the base system |
| 18:08.43 | tunabreath | you need to install wireless tools of some kind |
| 18:08.49 | tunabreath | the installer provided them for you |
| 18:08.58 | mumpitze1 | oo_miguel: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 18:09.14 | oo_miguel | wpa supplicant is installed |
| 18:09.19 | oo_miguel | and my device works : wlan0 |
| 18:09.30 | oo_miguel | mumpitze1: ill have a look thanks |
| 18:09.31 | tunabreath | HELLO, oprofile is not in the wheezy repos due to out of date and no kernel v3 support. Can anybody point me to an alternative package? |
| 18:09.48 | tunabreath | you need to config wpasupplicant with the SSID you want to use |
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| 18:20.09 | oo_miguel | worked fine with the supplicant |
| 18:20.12 | oo_miguel | thank you all |
| 18:20.49 | tunabreath | oprofile is not in the wheezy repos due to out of date and no kernel v3 support. Can anybody point me to an alternative package? |
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| 18:23.14 | jkaberg | hey guys.. I've recently installed an controller card to add additional drives, and while I can see the controller card I cant manage to see any additional drives (they're powerd and connected) http://pastebin.com/QzBX99ij - any pointers? |
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| 18:25.21 | Bronze | Hi all, is there anyplace I can get a look at whats in the current GUI desktop for debian? (snapshots and a list of menus) ? |
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| 18:30.30 | Sysaxed | how can I list all available keyboard layouts for setxkbmap ? |
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| 18:32.10 | archetech_ | ned a link to setting up 802.3ad lacp on deb 6 |
| 18:32.20 | archetech_ | nic teaming |
| 18:32.27 | archetech_ | not failover |
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| 18:37.05 | petn-randall | Bronze: I'd just install it and see. There are a few dozen window managers in Debian, pick the one you like. |
| 18:37.25 | Bronze | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 18:38.27 | Bronze | my first goal is to avoid wibbly wobbly timey wimey windows and all that extra desktiop enimation stuff. (Hey, I like that stuff in TV shows, but not on my desktop) |
| 18:38.34 | Bronze | *animation |
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| 18:40.44 | petn-randall | Bronze: I don't think any of the desktops come like that by default. In Gnome/KDE the desktop effects are pretty subtle. |
| 18:40.58 | petn-randall | I think the rest comes without any at all. |
| 18:41.28 | tunabreath | Bronze, try XFCE desktop |
| 18:41.39 | tunabreath | i think you will find it a nice compromise between lightweight and functional |
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| 18:43.59 | Sysaxed | How can I list all available keyboard layouts? |
| 18:44.43 | Bronze | tunabreath: I'll take a look. thanksd |
| 18:44.48 | Bronze | *thanks. |
| 18:45.16 | folivora | which package provides php5-suhosin for apache ? |
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| 18:46.56 | tunabreath | folivora they removed suhosin from wheezy |
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| 18:47.15 | jkaberg | why isnt my HDD showing up on my SiL 3132 controller when its loaded correctly? HDD connected and powerd on, http://pastebin.com/Jtr645ab |
| 18:47.17 | tunabreath | there were issues...so it's gone...too bad eh |
| 18:47.51 | tunabreath | jkaberg, what do you mean they are there and assigned |
| 18:47.53 | tunabreath | type fdisk -l |
| 18:48.07 | tunabreath | you probably need to add entries for them in fstab |
| 18:48.10 | folivora | tunabreath: it seams to be in sid |
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| 18:48.32 | tunabreath | folivora, cool they brought it back...it had to be cut from wheezy...there were issues |
| 18:48.34 | folivora | tunabreath: do you have any idea that will it be back |
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| 18:48.38 | jkaberg | tunabreath: yeah but thoes arent connected via the PCI controller |
| 18:48.49 | folivora | in wheezy |
| 18:48.50 | tunabreath | folivora, idk but MAYBE they'll stick it in backports or something |
| 18:48.54 | tunabreath | I hope so |
| 18:48.59 | folivora | I hope that too |
| 18:49.22 | tunabreath | jkaberg, what they're external drives? |
| 18:49.46 | tunabreath | you need some sort of hotplug event to automount them i guess |
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| 18:50.09 | tunabreath | i have no experience with that outside usb...so good luck googling |
| 18:50.11 | jkaberg | no I got an interal PCI card (SiL 3132) plugged in and loaded in kernel, to that card I've got an 2tb WD hdd connected that dosnt show, should be total of 6 x 2 TB drives if all connected, now only 5 |
| 18:50.29 | tunabreath | ok |
| 18:50.32 | tunabreath | jkaberg, type fdisk -l |
| 18:50.35 | tunabreath | are they all there? |
| 18:50.44 | jkaberg | only 5 :/ |
| 18:51.03 | mumpitze1 | check your dmesg output for the card and the disk |
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| 18:51.38 | tunabreath | in your lshw output, i see 6 drives all assigned to a device |
| 18:51.44 | tunabreath | so they should all be listed |
| 18:51.46 | tunabreath | in fdisk |
| 18:51.59 | jkaberg | yeah but note that theres a main drive (SSD drive at 240gb) |
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| 18:52.33 | tunabreath | alright you gotta be more clear up front about this stuff |
| 18:52.43 | tunabreath | you said you should have 6 drives...you mean you have 7 |
| 18:53.02 | jkaberg | yeah sorry about that, its a total of 7 drives. 6 x 2 TB and 1 x 250GB |
| 18:53.31 | jkaberg | 5 of the 2TB drives connected to an onboard controller, and the last one to a internal PCI-E controller (the SiL 3132) |
| 18:53.40 | jkaberg | 240* |
| 18:54.18 | tunabreath | looks like a raid device |
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| 18:54.47 | tunabreath | Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller |
| 18:54.51 | tunabreath | this is the device in question? |
| 18:54.53 | jkaberg | yeah |
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| 18:55.06 | tunabreath | reboot your machine and go into the raid device setup |
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| 18:56.04 | tunabreath | idk i dont use hardware raid at all...prefer software raid |
| 18:56.10 | tunabreath | hardware raid is a SPOF |
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| 18:57.06 | jkaberg | im using SW raid on the 5 drives, but out of sataII connectors so I added an additional controller :) |
| 18:57.45 | tunabreath | so it's RAID0-0 :D |
| 18:58.11 | tunabreath | maybe it's something really obvious and dumb like dip switch settings |
| 18:58.28 | jkaberg | might be :P Ill reboot and check the raid setup |
| 18:58.45 | tunabreath | that's where I'd focus...unless you do see anything in dmesg |
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| 18:59.06 | jkaberg | didnt see any additonal drives in dmesg, only the controller |
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| 19:01.47 | Dan39 | hey, using debian 7 x64. on most boxes i have no problems, but this one friend i setup for is having troubles with ram/swap usage |
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| 19:02.21 | Dan39 | 100% of the swap is being used up, tho the ram usage is only at like 60% (cache fills up rest to like 90% but not 100%) |
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| 19:02.40 | grobda24 | Hello. Trying to run an "scp" command as root but "ssh-agent" never runs (as it did when I ran the command as non-root). So "scp" always asks for the passphrase. How do I get this to work for root as I need it passowrdless for an "incron" command. Any help appreciated as key problems ALWAYS confuse me, lol ! |
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| 19:03.02 | Dan39 | im not sure why so much swap is being used. looks like it may be iceweasel/flash player, tho ive killed iceweasel and swap only went down to like 75% |
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| 19:04.26 | grobda24 | Dan39: what about buffers ? I know sometimes those are included in memory reports giving the impression of greater memory usage |
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| 19:04.50 | Dan39 | grobda24: like i said, swap. |
| 19:04.58 | Dan39 | i dont think buffers go into swap |
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| 19:05.20 | Dan39 | and im looking at htop which shows user/buffers/cache for ram |
| 19:05.23 | grobda24 | Dan39: ok, just a thought |
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| 19:05.28 | rryoumaa | what is a buffer anyway in this context? |
| 19:05.39 | rryoumaa | is it some kernel thing? |
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| 19:05.48 | Dan39 | i believe something like that |
| 19:06.10 | rryoumaa | why would the kernel need large amounts of data for anything other than the fs? |
| 19:06.20 | Dan39 | if you look at htop it has seperate colors for used/buffer/cache |
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| 19:07.01 | Dan39 | ok the ram usage is down to about 30% (cache up to like 95%) |
| 19:07.14 | Dan39 | swap usage still at about 75% |
| 19:07.41 | Dan39 | most of my other boxes use barely any swap, often like not even a readable amount, just shows 0 lol |
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| 19:09.09 | peterrooney | rryoumaa: buffering for pipes? |
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| 19:09.35 | tunabreath | Dan, as long as the machine isn't thrasing, i wouldn't worry that much about it |
| 19:09.38 | rryoumaa | peterrooney: great guess, but somehow i am skeptical :) |
| 19:09.44 | tunabreath | you could set swappiness to 0 in sysctl and see what happens |
| 19:09.46 | rryoumaa | but maybe!~ |
| 19:09.49 | Dan39 | tunabreath: it starts running like absolute shit tho |
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| 19:10.01 | tunabreath | ok so it is thrashing |
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| 19:10.18 | tunabreath | and there is nothing odd running on the machine? |
| 19:10.20 | Dan39 | i guess, wasnt sure what you meant by that term haha |
| 19:10.24 | tunabreath | and the architecture isn't odd? |
| 19:10.33 | Dan39 | tunabreath: hmm it appears to be python apps doing it |
| 19:10.42 | tunabreath | what python apps? |
| 19:11.00 | tunabreath | how much RAM does the box have? |
| 19:11.01 | Dan39 | sabnzbd, just killed it and swap is down to 25% |
| 19:11.03 | Dan39 | 8 GB |
| 19:11.07 | tunabreath | are you seeing any errors in dmesg? |
| 19:11.19 | Dan39 | yes |
| 19:11.22 | Dan39 | 1 second |
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| 19:11.37 | tunabreath | ok some newsreader |
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| 19:11.50 | tunabreath | don't make us debug odd software |
| 19:11.58 | tunabreath | get the machine stripped down to basic running system |
| 19:12.06 | tunabreath | and then we can try to isolate the issue |
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| 19:12.16 | Dan39 | http://sprunge.us/gCJN |
| 19:12.22 | tunabreath | if it's some random piece of software you installed, that's not for #debian |
| 19:12.46 | Dan39 | yes i understand that |
| 19:12.54 | Dan39 | but this is a decent starting place |
| 19:13.08 | tunabreath | segfaults...never a good sign |
| 19:13.09 | Dan39 | when i narrow it down to something else i will leave you alone :P |
| 19:13.18 | raptor67782 | hi |
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| 19:13.42 | Dan39 | tunabreath: well i think i got just about what i need, thanks |
| 19:13.47 | raptor67782 | wpuld you know how to start xterm from cmd line, very simply, with increased font size? |
| 19:13.52 | grobda24 | answer. if anyone is bothered was to use inotify-tools, not incron |
| 19:13.54 | tunabreath | dan, you may have bad ram |
| 19:13.59 | tunabreath | how many dimms on that system? |
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| 19:14.12 | abrotman | tunabreath: dan<tab> |
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| 19:14.35 | tunabreath | dan<tab>, you may have bad ram |
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| 19:14.44 | petn-randall | facepalms. |
| 19:14.45 | Dan39 | ha |
| 19:14.47 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 19:14.55 | tunabreath | just fukn with you abailarri |
| 19:14.57 | tunabreath | oops |
| 19:15.00 | tunabreath | see what tab gets me! |
| 19:15.03 | petn-randall | Hahaha |
| 19:15.06 | Dan39 | i wouldnt know, it is a leaseweb server |
| 19:15.15 | petn-randall | Layer 8 problem. |
| 19:15.18 | Dan39 | hold on im sure i can find out |
| 19:15.26 | abrotman | Dan39: it's not likely relevant |
| 19:15.55 | tunabreath | Dan39, yeah nm , you're not physically with the machine, so you can't swap out ram looking for a bad one |
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| 19:16.59 | jkaberg | tunabreath: lol it was as simple as one of my molex converter pins was accidently pushed slighly out of place makeing the HDD not powering on. when I put the case on it must have pushed the pin out, thanks for the help tho :) |
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| 19:17.45 | Dan39 | well i already got the info, so you will see it! hehe http://sprunge.us/Lcdf |
| 19:17.53 | Dan39 | 2 4gb sticks :P |
| 19:18.16 | tunabreath | jkaberg, well at least we steered you towards physical issue...that saved time :) |
| 19:18.43 | tunabreath | Dan39, if you were present with the machine, I'd say try pulling one stick out at a time to see if segfaulting goes away |
| 19:18.51 | tunabreath | it's definitely easiest thing to try first |
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| 19:18.54 | tunabreath | but you're not there so.... |
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| 19:20.19 | jkaberg | tunabreath: yeah, well simplest "misstakes" you seem to overlook :P |
| 19:20.20 | ashfaq | Hi i need help connecting to an sstp vpn server |
| 19:20.21 | Dan39 | hmm deluge seems to also be using lot of swap. funny thing is neither of them are being used at all |
| 19:21.08 | Dan39 | wait nvm, killed deluge and swap didnt go down at all haha |
| 19:21.12 | tunabreath | Dan39, does /var/log/system show any other kinds of errors? |
| 19:21.43 | Dan39 | syslog? |
| 19:21.57 | tunabreath | er yeah |
| 19:22.03 | tunabreath | idk why I typed system... |
| 19:22.14 | Dan39 | not really |
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| 19:22.18 | Dan39 | grrr |
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| 19:22.34 | tunabreath | you could TRY to reinstall libglib packages |
| 19:22.40 | Dan39 | is there a version of less in some repo that gunzips for me? :P |
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| 19:22.52 | tunabreath | zless can read into archives |
| 19:23.07 | Dan39 | <3 |
| 19:23.16 | Dan39 | why dont i know about zless!? D: |
| 19:23.19 | tunabreath | you may also want to install smartmontools |
| 19:23.28 | tunabreath | so you can see if HDD has errors |
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| 19:24.01 | tunabreath | libglib2 segfaulting should not be happening |
| 19:24.08 | tunabreath | it could have gotten corrupted on disk |
| 19:24.20 | Dan39 | my other guess |
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| 19:24.30 | Dan39 | is that it is problem with running these guis in VNC |
| 19:24.39 | Dan39 | since vnc uses its own weird X server binaries i believe |
| 19:24.52 | tunabreath | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libgobject-2.0.so.0&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 19:25.13 | tunabreath | you should try reinstalling libglib2.0-0 |
| 19:25.38 | Dan39 | sure, wont harm anything :P |
| 19:25.45 | tunabreath | but I would also install smartmontools and run smartctl -A /dev/sdx (where x is your hard drive assignment and probably should be a) |
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| 19:27.02 | nickgaw | Hi, with the debian live packages is there a way to make a basic console linux rescue disc where I can install software in a chroot before the iso image is built so I can configure packages properly the way I wish? |
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| 19:28.06 | tunabreath | nickgaw, there must be a way to do that, but i dont think you'll get answers for that here..google for tutorials |
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| 19:37.48 | nonconvergent | Anyone know what multiarch lib I need for ldd to even consider something a "dynamic executable" ? |
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| 19:38.55 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: libc6 |
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| 19:40.36 | nonconvergent | mumpitze1: that's what I thought but I already have it. |
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| 19:40.47 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: the 386 version? |
| 19:41.03 | nonconvergent | libc6:i386 |
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| 19:42.28 | nonconvergent | I've got libc6, libc6:i386, libc6-dev, libc6-i386, libc6-i686:i386 installed |
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| 19:43.39 | nonconvergent | mumpitze1: It there, and my foregin arch is i386 so multiarch is there. |
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| 19:47.48 | nonconvergent | OH! |
| 19:47.50 | nonconvergent | I got it. |
| 19:48.28 | mumpitze1 | so what was it?= |
| 19:49.06 | nonconvergent | Stupid mistake. I was running ldd on a wrapper script, not the binary. |
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| 19:51.37 | abrotman | nonconvergent: PS, "file" helps sometimes :) |
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| 19:52.26 | hoverboard | debain |
| 19:52.40 | mtn | hoverboard: debian |
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| 19:54.45 | hoverboard | mtn, yes? |
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| 19:55.22 | mtn | hoverboard: I was going to say the same thing. why did you come on here and say "debain"? |
| 19:55.28 | Lars_G | How do I find how I created my repo structure if I forgot which tool I used? so I know how to add a new distro to it. |
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| 19:55.51 | nonconvergent | What? |
| 19:55.54 | abrotman | reprepro ? |
| 19:56.11 | nonconvergent | I know what you said, but I have no idea what you said. |
| 19:56.12 | hoverboard | mtn, please stop highlighting me |
| 19:56.19 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: good. so I was not wrong in what was needed. dodged a bullet there, so it's a good outcome for me :) |
| 19:56.29 | Lars_G | abrotman: ah yes. |
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| 19:56.32 | mtn | hoverboard: ok |
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| 19:57.00 | nonconvergent | mumpitze1: I was really confused for a minute there. |
| 19:57.28 | abrotman | mtn: hoverboard doesn't seem to like you talking to him .. probably use /ignore |
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| 19:57.41 | mtn | hoverboard: no pm's please, if you have something to say, say it here. |
| 19:57.52 | hoverboard | don't ctcp me repeatedly |
| 19:57.53 | hoverboard | thanks |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | how about both of you use /ignore, thanks |
| 19:58.17 | hoverboard | I didn't wanna call you out in the channel |
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| 19:58.48 | Lars_G | abrotman: And I see I do not need to create the new dist with reprepro. Just insert the deb/dsc...... right? |
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| 19:59.30 | abrotman | Lars_G: is that what the docs say? you could just try it :) |
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| 20:00.16 | Lars_G | Nah it fails hmmm |
| 20:00.17 | Lars_G | back to man |
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| 20:00.54 | sary | Back. |
| 20:01.43 | Lars_G | sary: Congrats |
| 20:02.09 | hoverboard | hey guys |
| 20:02.18 | hoverboard | question about debian/linux |
| 20:02.31 | hoverboard | I understand it's like a piece of the puzzle... |
| 20:02.42 | hoverboard | can anyone expound on that |
| 20:03.16 | mumpitze1 | huh? debian/linux is a linux distro. and while sometimes it can be a puzzle, it's not meant to be one |
| 20:03.17 | Lars_G | hoverboard: what? |
| 20:03.27 | hoverboard | it's just a distro? |
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| 20:03.34 | hoverboard | I thought it was more than that... |
| 20:03.36 | Lars_G | hoverboard: Debian is really a metadistro |
| 20:03.48 | fuqueue | metadistro? |
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| 20:03.51 | abrotman | there's an About page on the website |
| 20:04.00 | hoverboard | I'd rather chat about it |
| 20:04.01 | abrotman | fuqueue: Debian has many OS variants, Linux, BSD, Hurd |
| 20:04.02 | hoverboard | thanks though |
| 20:04.08 | Lars_G | fuqueue: A distro created to be either used as such, or to build sub-distros, sub sets and versions |
| 20:04.15 | abrotman | hoverboard: might help to do some basic resesarch to start :) |
| 20:04.19 | hoverboard | debain's part bsd too? |
| 20:04.21 | hoverboard | debian* |
| 20:04.28 | abrotman | hoverboard: there is a BSD version of Debian, yes |
| 20:04.31 | Lars_G | hoverboard: People doesn't always take kindly to it though. |
| 20:04.31 | hoverboard | oh so I can't just ask... |
| 20:04.34 | sary | so i've got a bootable usb stick this time using Unetbootin, i\ve selected the Desktop Envierement during installation, but now am left of without it and not even X! which packages i need to install! |
| 20:04.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hoverboard about kreebsd |
| 20:04.39 | hoverboard | I have to research before I speak about it |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | Lars_G: your descxription of Debian is awful, and wrong |
| 20:04.58 | mumpitze1 | hoverboard: just ask. we might point oyu in the right direction |
| 20:05.08 | Lars_G | sary: Are you sure it's not just installed but not started? |
| 20:05.11 | hoverboard | abrotman, I don't really like your attitude... especially considering you continued to highlight me when I asked that guy to stop |
| 20:05.24 | abrotman | hoverboard: Your attitutde is so pleasant |
| 20:05.30 | ahmadhesni | hi , i have problem with my mouse cursor , upgrade from squeeze to wheezy . my mouse cursor Itself move and auto click and auto scroll !! |
| 20:05.32 | hoverboard | I'm just trying to learn, guy |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | ok guy |
| 20:05.48 | hoverboard | must be an op... |
| 20:05.51 | Lars_G | hoverboard, abrotman please take it somewhere else. |
| 20:05.54 | abrotman | I only pointed you at a place to maybe learn |
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| 20:06.07 | hoverboard | ah yep, sure enough |
| 20:06.10 | hoverboard | an op |
| 20:06.12 | mumpitze1 | sary: xorg and the desktop environment of your choice |
| 20:06.37 | abrotman | hoverboard: irrelevant |
| 20:06.40 | sary | Lars_G: am connected to IRC from the insalled system. |
| 20:06.49 | hoverboard | ok well I'll back off since you're obviously one of those more than eager to start throwing your power around |
| 20:06.51 | ahmadhesni | hi , i have problem with my mouse cursor , upgrade from squeeze to wheezy . my mouse cursor Itself move and auto click and auto scroll !! |
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| 20:06.55 | hoverboard | thanks for nothing though (: |
| 20:06.56 | hoverboard | g'day |
| 20:07.00 | Lars_G | sary: I mean your desktop environment and x11. |
| 20:07.12 | sary | mumpitze1: hey, do you recall the exact name for these packages! |
| 20:07.15 | Lars_G | sary: if this is wheezy, try as root: service gdm3 restart |
| 20:07.32 | mumpitze1 | sary: I just wrote it: one is "xorg" and the other depends on the DE you want |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | hoverboard: you could actually read what you were asked to read .. but nice of you to make assumptions .. I'll just assume you're too lazy to read. Have a nice day |
| 20:08.16 | sary | alright, thanks guys. |
| 20:08.25 | Lars_G | abrotman: Is #debian a catalyst op channel? |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | hoverboard: please don't msg me, no need, say it here |
| 20:09.04 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: you are a catalyst? for what reaction? |
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| 20:09.05 | sary | i can't switch to a virtual terminal, so BRB. |
| 20:09.10 | abrotman | hoverboard: please don't msg me, thank you |
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| 20:09.32 | abrotman | mumpitze1: hopefully learning, who knows |
| 20:10.03 | mumpitze1 | optimist. |
| 20:10.07 | ahmadhesni | hi , i have problem with my mouse cursor , upgrade from squeeze to wheezy . my mouse cursor Itself move and auto click and auto scroll !! |
| 20:10.17 | abrotman | hoverboard: again, please stop, thank you |
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| 20:11.06 | mumpitze1 | ahmadhesni: laptop? |
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| 20:11.21 | ahmadhesni | mumpitze1: no, pc |
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| 20:11.27 | Lars_G | abrotman: I know you're not supposed to, but I think it's time to /ignore him, he's not silenced/kicked yet, so.... |
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| 20:11.43 | fuqueue | Hey, what about a sweet desktop environment? Is there a certain one I can install that would improve the visual appeal overall, like with transparancies and such? |
| 20:12.15 | mtn | fuqueue: lots of them depending on what you find attractive |
| 20:12.19 | mumpitze1 | fuqueue: e17 maybe. I think gnome and kde's plasma are trying very hard to be pretty like this too |
| 20:12.40 | Lars_G | fuqueue: Lots of people swear for/by cinnamon. But I'm not sure how easy it is to load in wheezy. Another option people tend to choose design wise is enlightement |
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| 20:14.25 | fuqueue | Or maybe just install a theme for the gnome desktop environment? |
| 20:14.45 | abrotman | Lars_G: at your request, it's been done |
| 20:16.11 | mtn | fuqueue: if you haven't installed gnome-tweak-tool, you might find it handy to change some things. |
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| 20:18.44 | ahmadhesni | i have a problem, when upgrade from squeeze to wheezy my mouse cursor moves , auto click and scroll automatically !! |
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| 20:19.08 | fuqueue | good call mtn |
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| 20:31.24 | DammitJim | I have a script that I want to run in multiple servers |
| 20:31.29 | DammitJim | what is an easy way to do this? |
| 20:31.38 | abrotman | ssh keys |
| 20:31.46 | DammitJim | is there a one-off command with ssh to send it over and run it? |
| 20:31.54 | abrotman | or use something like puppet or chef |
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| 20:34.05 | well_laid_lawn | scp ftw |
| 20:34.11 | ahmadhesni | hi , i have problem with my mouse , upgrade from squeeze to wheezy . my mouse Itself move and auto click and auto scroll !! |
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| 20:35.18 | DammitJim | well_laid_lawn, I've been using scp and then ssh'ing into each box |
| 20:35.31 | DammitJim | was wondering if there was something else... I'll look at puppet or chef |
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| 20:37.58 | well_laid_lawn | I wouldn't want anybody to be able to run stuff without being logged in at all |
| 20:40.05 | babilen | DammitJim: It really depends on what you want. First there are tools such as dish, clustershell or dsh. Then you have tools like fabric or capistrano for running commands in a more organised way (often used for deployment), but the new thing there are full-stack systems such as salt and the excellent ansible. |
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| 20:41.35 | DammitJim | thanks babilen lots of new things to learn! |
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| 20:46.38 | peterolen | Hello! Is it possible to disable formatted copy/paste in Debian? I rarely find it useful and mostly cumbersome. |
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| 20:49.32 | adar_ | Do you know some good documentation (advanced tutorial) on the server configuration ?? |
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| 20:52.00 | NotJimCarrey | ok, so i think uvesafb messed my X video |
| 20:52.03 | NotJimCarrey | hrmm |
| 20:52.08 | jordanm | adar_: anything advanced won't be found an anything that generic |
| 20:52.23 | jordanm | adar_: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-System-Administration-Handbook-Edition/dp/0131480057/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381265502&sr=8-1&keywords=unix+system+administration+handbook |
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| 20:52.25 | NotJimCarrey | still works, but like it's a default driver |
| 20:52.37 | NotJimCarrey | and mplayer/xbmc keeps crashing |
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| 20:54.01 | jordanm | adar_: a server's configuration is needed to secure a server and properly run it's intended application(s) |
| 20:54.11 | jordanm | adar_: without an application... install debian and you are done |
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| 20:54.49 | adar_ | :) |
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| 21:00.20 | jhutchins | NotJimCarrey: Why vesa? |
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| 21:01.18 | jhutchins | jordanm: The <sag> is a pretty good guide for a generic question like that. |
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| 21:02.40 | jordanm | jhutchins: that guide is old enough to suggest floppies as an option for backup medium |
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| 21:02.53 | NotJimCarrey | jhutchins: so far, it's the only way to get framebuffer console that's worked for me |
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| 21:06.55 | jhutchins | jordanm: Yeah, it's got character! |
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| 21:07.10 | jhutchins | jordanm: Still pretty good principles. |
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| 21:13.03 | waynr | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 21:13.32 | waynr | This indicates that I should copy the .iso as a single file over to the bootable thumb drive partition |
| 21:13.45 | waynr | is that correct? |
| 21:13.51 | jhutchins | waynr: Not quite. |
| 21:14.18 | waynr | doesn't seem like the right thing to do |
| 21:14.21 | jhutchins | waynr: You want to copy the iso to the device itself. The iso has a partition within it. |
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| 21:15.01 | jhutchins | waynr: so cat *.iso > /dev/usb0 or dd if=*.iso of=/dev/usb0 or similar. |
| 21:15.15 | jhutchins | Might be /dev/sr0 |
| 21:16.00 | waynr | wiill that clobber the other files i put on it during this process? |
| 21:16.22 | waynr | i copied over a "vmlinuz" and "initrd.gz" file |
| 21:16.37 | waynr | and made a syslinux.cfg |
| 21:17.14 | waynr | ah, "if you used an hd-media" image |
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| 21:17.49 | jhutchins | waynr: Yes, it will replace everything on the drive. |
| 21:17.50 | peterrooney | waynr yes, it shall clobber all files. That's a natural side effect of clobbering the file system. |
| 21:17.52 | zykotick9 | waynr: cat/dd/cp will delete everything on the usb. and i personally find jhutchins' usb0 and sr0 (which is typically a cdrom) to be unlikely, check for sdX in dmesg output for your usb. |
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| 21:18.14 | waq | Hi, |
| 21:18.21 | jhutchins | zykotick9: I just checked on mine and it was sr0 |
| 21:18.34 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: are you sure that isn't your cdrom? |
| 21:18.35 | waynr | okay i am confused |
| 21:18.48 | jhutchins | waynr: But yes, zykotick9's method is correct. |
| 21:19.01 | waynr | this guide is supposed to show me how to install the installer files onto a single partition on a drive? |
| 21:19.07 | jhutchins | I was purposely trying to be a bit vague on that in hopws that you'd check it. |
| 21:19.08 | waq | I need to install this pack linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64. It has many dependencies. Is there a way of downloading this to a local machine as the one im trying to install using apt-get does not have the nic drivers installed |
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| 21:19.30 | Chrys0pras3 | Hi |
| 21:19.36 | waynr | why did it have me copy vmlinuz and intird.gz (as well as install mbr, syslinux) if it just wants me to copy over those? |
| 21:19.39 | waq | So it downloads the pack and dependencies |
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| 21:20.06 | zykotick9 | waynr: it's two differnt methods! cat/cp/dd the ISO is a LOT easier. |
| 21:20.17 | Brigo | waq: yes with apt-get --print-uris |
| 21:20.29 | Brigo | waq: and use this uris with wget |
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| 21:20.34 | waynr | zykotick9: i dont care about easy. i want the method that will install on a particular partition on a thumb drive with existing partitions |
| 21:20.44 | Chrys0pras3 | I'm having problems with tmux on debian. My config file works fine on gentoo, but doesn't seem to be recognized on debian: http://thunked.org/p/view/pri/gdbjkai1t |
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| 21:20.59 | zykotick9 | waynr: then don't use the cp/cat/dd method! best of luck. |
| 21:21.17 | waq | Brigo: So i can use the wget command with uris? sorry new :( |
| 21:21.26 | waynr | i am saying that i find the "not easy" method confusing because it seems to mix the two instruction sets |
| 21:21.44 | yokisho | hi. I need a user guide or manual for gnome in Debian 7.0 |
| 21:22.11 | waynr | wow. |
| 21:22.17 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Actually, checked a USB and it did show up as sd*. My phone shows up as a CD, sr0. |
| 21:22.32 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: if someone hasn't already mentioned it, see taktuk or similar, too |
| 21:22.40 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: (for ssh multiplexing) |
| 21:22.50 | jhutchins | waynr: You can run the installer and point it at the USB drive. |
| 21:22.56 | Brigo | waq for example try with apt-get install apache3 --print-uris |
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| 21:23.03 | Brigo | waq for example try with apt-get install apache2 --print-uris |
| 21:23.05 | zykotick9 | yokisho: debian-handbook is an installable package/book in wheezy, also available online. |
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| 21:23.34 | yokisho | uhms, i will try that, thanks zykotick9 |
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| 21:23.47 | zykotick9 | yokisho: oh sorry, you said Gnome... not sure how much that is covered |
| 21:24.08 | Brigo | waq: you will get some "uris" and then can do: wget 'thats uris' to retrieve the package. |
| 21:24.14 | waq | Brigo: So i will have to install each one manually one at a time. One package has few dependencies and those dependencies have further dependencies :/ |
| 21:24.40 | waynr | as far as i can tell, the install manual has confusing or ambiguous wording. who should i ask about fixing it? |
| 21:24.51 | LtL | yokisho: http://www.gnome.org/ -- may be as close to a 'manual' as you'll get. possibly debian forums may suit your needs better. |
| 21:25.51 | Brigo | waq: no, you can do it in the computer without network, then use wget in another computer with internet conection. Download the packages and copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives, and then install them with apt |
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| 21:26.37 | jhutchins | !apt-offline |
| 21:26.37 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 21:27.02 | Brigo | jhutchins: mucht better :-) |
| 21:28.19 | yokisho | thanks LtL :) |
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| 21:29.03 | dmatt2k13 | I have a quick question, working on a batch script. currently trying to pass the results from find to a variable and all the files are irregular (spaces, periods, dashes, etc..) when I want the script to recursevely and .jpg's and one happens to have a space/or whatever, find /home/user/userdir -name *.jpg the script will spit out only the beginning or a file that has a . or the end of a space. |
| 21:29.23 | dondelelcaro | dmatt2k13: you probably want to use xargs and -print0 or similar |
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| 21:29.29 | dondelelcaro | dmatt2k13: see also IFS |
| 21:29.43 | dmatt2k13 | dondelelcaro: kk, thanks for the quick response |
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| 21:35.27 | rryoumaa | dmatt2k13: you can have find do the fork |
| 21:35.37 | timss | I'm playing with changing static IPs using ifconfig and it seems that it won't work before I restart networking; even if I down and up the interface. How come? (Note: it's a VPS) |
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| 21:37.06 | hoverboard | hi all |
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| 21:38.20 | Brigo | timss: may be a vps limitation? |
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| 21:38.48 | timss | Brigo: As in it shouldn't have to restart networking? |
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| 21:46.30 | Brigo | timss: in my experience you can change the ip of a nic with ifconfig without problmes, you dont need restart the nic |
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| 21:47.52 | timss | Brigo: Likewise, so this is kind of weird. I tried now with just doing `ifconfig eth0 down` and then `ifconfig eth0 up` (i.e. IP, netmask etc still intact) and it steel required `service networking restart` to work again. It seems to be pretty stock as in it uses /etc/network/interfaces, but not really sure why it would require to restart the NICs then... |
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| 21:50.44 | jhutchins | timss: One possibility is that if an interface is "allow-hotplug" instead of "auto", ifup -a will not bring it up, and that's what /etc/init.d/networking does. |
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| 21:54.06 | timss | jhutchins: I see, thanks. Guess I'll just have to use /etc/init.d/networking then to be safe (script is to be run at host I have no access to yet) |
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| 21:56.05 | jhutchins | timss: Actually, I mis-read what you wrote and that's backwards. Not sure why your method didn't work. |
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| 21:56.51 | jhutchins | timss: You get the message that networking restart is deprecated because of the above, but it's silly, ifup <interface> will bring up a hotplug interface just fine. |
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| 22:00.23 | timss | jhutchins: Any difference between `ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <netmask> up` and `ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <netmask` + `ifup eth0` in the way it will bring up the interface? |
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| 22:00.52 | laura | hello all |
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| 22:01.05 | timss | jhutchins: I can't really say I'm following since you said you misread; why would I have to use /etc/init.d/networking in the first place? |
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| 22:01.08 | Guest25416 | any ftp guru in here? |
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| 22:01.40 | khaotik | anyone know of any good channels I could get some networking help on?? |
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| 22:01.51 | abrotman | khaotik: #networking |
| 22:02.05 | khaotik | makes since.... Thank You |
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| 22:03.19 | laura__ | any idea what could happen if when logged onto a ftp I browse the folder until I reach the one I am interested in: there, 3 folders, with one I'd like to browse which has drwxrwxrwx permission |
| 22:03.41 | laura__ | i enter "cd /xxx" name of the folder and the serveur returns "550 no such file or directory" |
| 22:03.49 | laura__ | its indeed a directory dammit |
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| 22:03.55 | laura__ | its said here: drwxrwxrwx |
| 22:03.57 | laura__ | any idea? |
| 22:04.36 | timss | jhutchins: There indeed seems to be a difference. If I simply do `ifdown eth0` + `ifup eth0` I won't have to restart networking. |
| 22:05.10 | abrotman | laura__: maybe you should put this in a pastebin to show us, might be easier to display (paste.debian.net please) |
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| 22:10.49 | nonconvergent | I'm about to install a web-server on my machine and php, in prep for a class. Anything I should be aware of security wise? |
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| 22:11.27 | koollman | nonconvergent: yes: "internet is a dangerous place" |
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| 22:11.52 | laura__ | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/53791/ |
| 22:12.04 | timss | nonconvergent: Be sure that PHP files are actually run. |
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| 22:13.13 | abrotman | laura__: yu're doing it wrong. Not "cd /Pictures", "cd Pictures" |
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| 22:14.43 | abrotman | looks at chanserv? |
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| 22:17.13 | peterrooney | abrotman: is ChanServ being a random and watery tart? |
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| 22:19.33 | abrotman | peterrooney: no, it was my fault, I realized that. |
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| 22:22.32 | laura__ | abrotman, any idea? |
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| 22:23.42 | laura__ | abrotman, i didnt see your answer, sorry |
| 22:24.40 | laura__ | abrotman, ok, it works, thanks. But, whats weird, is that I did "cd /Shared" at the first level and it worked |
| 22:24.42 | laura__ | why then? |
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| 22:27.52 | abrotman | laura__: because /Shared is directing you to a directory called "Shared" which happens to exist in the root of the filesystem, or "/" |
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| 22:32.28 | laura__ | abrotman, ok, i should have typed cd /Share/Pictures then |
| 22:32.34 | laura__ | would this have worked? |
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| 22:32.52 | laura__ | thank you for the explanation |
| 22:34.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:50.39 | jhutchins | timss: I've been aroudn since before service <init script> <command> worked. |
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| 22:51.19 | jhutchins | timss: So I learned to do /etc/init.d/networking restart or whatever instead of service networking restart. |
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| 22:59.13 | timss | jhutchins: That's ok, I'm familiar with both methods. Was just interesting in knowing why it wouldn't work to just down/up the interfaces normally but I'll guess I'll just stick with using networking. It's not that important for it to work without it. |
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| 22:59.44 | LordThumper | Hi, I am trying to learn to use pipes, does this make sense? |
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| 23:00.09 | LordThumper | app1 -out - | app2 -in - |
| 23:00.32 | timss | Depends on what you're trying to do and what the argument, "-" etc does. |
| 23:00.34 | LordThumper | assuming app1 allows to write to stdout and app2 allows input from stdin |
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| 23:01.01 | LordThumper | "-" is stdout / stdin |
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| 23:09.53 | jhutchins | LordDeath: That's dependent on the application. It conventionally represents stdout/stdin, usually in the sense that a file would be expected. |
| 23:10.08 | jhutchins | LordDeath: Not all commands will honor that option or require it. |
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| 23:15.39 | jhutchins | LordDeath: f'rinstance: My /etc/hosts is of the format <ip> <regional name> <short local name>. I needed a list of IPs for the oracle servers for a DBA, so I did grep ora /etc/hosts | awk '{print $3 "\t" $1}' |
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| 23:18.46 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/53824/ <--- my syslog... |
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| 23:20.45 | nutron | =| no one knows? |
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