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| 00:09.48 | oomph_ | hello |
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| 00:17.18 | arthurfiggis | hello :) has anyone here had success with/can point out a guide for installing the latest official nvidia drivers? 304.88 seems to support my card but with some occasional graphics corruption/screen tearing that was fixed in 319.32...if i could even get to that version it'd be great |
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| 00:23.58 | oomph_ | I got a few game servers at a few locations, anyone got some advise on backup strategies that I could implement? |
| 00:24.16 | oomph_ | with debian of course :) |
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| 00:26.02 | selim | can someone help me to find out why my spampd is not working anymore |
| 00:26.19 | selim | everytime I start spampd it gots killed once it has been through all the debug stuff |
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| 00:26.30 | selim | but I can't find a clue why |
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| 00:26.43 | sary | Back. |
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| 00:27.20 | dondelelcaro | oomph69: I'm personally a fan of obnam |
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| 00:28.44 | oomph69 | does it use Rsync? |
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| 00:30.40 | themill | oomph69: it's a fair bit more sophisticated than that -- it has a good home page |
| 00:30.59 | oomph69 | yeah, checking it out now |
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| 00:31.15 | oomph69 | how heavy is it on traffic>? |
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| 00:32.30 | oomph69 | trying to determine if I need one setup at each DC |
| 00:32.32 | oomph69 | or not |
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| 00:33.35 | sary | this is my 2nd attempt to install and boot debian stable, after the installation is done and on the 1st reboot ... the system loads then the screen goes pitchblack! |
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| 00:34.11 | oomph69 | sary are you doing a netinstall? |
| 00:34.25 | cusco | sary: so your system loads, but there is some problem on graphics? |
| 00:34.30 | sary | oomph69: correct. |
| 00:34.34 | cusco | sary: if you press ctrl + alt + f1 |
| 00:34.40 | cusco | do you get a text prompt ? |
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| 00:36.03 | sary | cusco: i was gussing that it's a GPU releated issue, but after looking at the Xorg logs i didn't see any GPU warnning/errors. |
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| 00:36.51 | oomph69 | getting this error dpkg: error processing ca-certificates-java (--configure): |
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| 00:38.22 | sary | cusco: no, am unable t0 switch to a virtual terminal (tty's). |
| 00:39.07 | cusco | sary: try sysrq + k |
| 00:39.17 | cusco | I mean ctrl + alt + sysrq + k |
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| 00:39.32 | cusco | what does xorg say? |
| 00:39.33 | cusco | xorg log |
| 00:39.40 | sary | I'm logged in from recovery mode. |
| 00:41.28 | cusco | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.* |
| 00:41.32 | sary | "sysrq"! i don't have this key. |
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| 00:46.13 | cusco | sary: is the printscreen key |
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| 00:46.21 | cusco | was only to get you out of buggy gfx |
| 00:46.26 | cusco | nvm that |
| 00:46.30 | cusco | what does xorg say? |
| 00:46.40 | cusco | I mean: Xorg.* log |
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| 00:47.50 | sary | cusco: okay, i'll try with that key. |
| 00:48.24 | cusco | sary: ... you would be better off lookig at de logs |
| 00:48.24 | sary | cusco: spoted to lines with errors .. |
| 00:48.25 | scooty_puff | i want to run a command on boot but it has to be run as root. will putting the command in /etc/re.local run it with root permission? |
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| 00:49.09 | cusco | I guess so scooty_puff, I'm not sure tho |
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| 00:49.26 | sary | 1- open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory . |
| 00:50.15 | sary | 2- Radeom(0): Acceleration intialization faild. |
| 00:51.17 | sary | cusco: thise are the outputs of that grep command. |
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| 01:04.04 | elkingrey | This may be a stupid question, but what is the linux format name for the Windows' FAT and NTFS equivalent? |
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| 01:05.47 | zophy | been so long i forgot |
| 01:06.00 | oomph69 | its mostly meant to be used in WHMCS |
| 01:06.18 | oomph69 | oops mistelll |
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| 01:08.01 | zophy | elkingrey, type ntfs is one |
| 01:08.12 | elkingrey | ext4? I've read that linux doesn't need defragmenting, but I don't understand why |
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| 01:09.24 | zophy | ext4 will get fragmented a little bit, but it avoids it very |
| 01:09.57 | zophy | it must use/reuse the disk tracks more intelligently |
| 01:10.05 | rjsalts | elkingrey: depends on the filesystem, but the need is lessened because most of them are extent based |
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| 01:29.30 | enkidu | elkingrey: first, files are created in a way, that prevents unneeded fragmentation (ie. spare blocks between files when possible) |
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| 01:30.40 | enkidu | and second: afair most of linux filesystems have internal routines, that can perform small scale defrag on write |
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| 01:31.42 | ZitZ | is it acceptable for normal users to file bugs against a package in experimental to help with development, or is it just treated as testing ground for the maintainer? |
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| 01:32.55 | abrotman | ZitZ: i'd say the latter |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | ZitZ: they expect the packages are broken, and are realy meant for users that understand that |
| 01:33.39 | ZitZ | very well than |
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| 01:35.41 | rjsalts | ZitZ: I could go either way, it's like here be dragons. But if you notice a specific dragon and know of a way to kill it then I'm sure the maintainer would appreciate the bug report. |
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| 02:08.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peps what do you guys use for podcasts? i need to download them and it would be nice not to have to search the web.. |
| 02:08.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | I must download them though i need them offline. |
| 02:08.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | for my phone.. |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | so use an app on your phone |
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| 02:16.08 | Guest10830 | Eryn_1983_FL: you can look into gpodder. Haven't used it much, just know it's a thing |
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| 02:27.36 | johnfg_ | hi folks |
| 02:27.52 | johnfg_ | I just noticed this from dmesg: ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. |
| 02:28.10 | johnfg_ | Is there somewhere I can get some more info? |
| 02:28.47 | johnfg_ | Also, some errors in tracker-miner (which I didn't even know that I had!). |
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| 02:29.10 | abrotman | johnfg_: someone had that issue the other day .. seemed the firmware from backports made it go away |
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| 02:30.48 | fishcooker | i have costumized debian box how to surpress the screen output while booting? |
| 02:30.49 | fishcooker | how to change those black thing with a logo splashing ? |
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| 02:31.42 | johnfg_ | abrotman: So, should I specifically install ipw2200 from backports? (do you recommend, i.e.?) |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | seemed to make his error go away |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | fishcooker: you want a fancy splash ? |
| 02:33.49 | fishcooker | yess |
| 02:33.59 | fishcooker | how to do that abrotman |
| 02:34.07 | johnfg_ | abrotman: Would you just do: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install ipw2200? |
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| 02:34.22 | johnfg_ | I don't need to remove what I have? |
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| 02:35.12 | abrotman | johnfg_: oh, you're still on squeeze?! |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | fishcooker: look at plymouth |
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| 02:36.23 | fishcooker | thanks abrotman |
| 02:36.45 | johnfg_ | abrotman: Oops, no, wheezy, but the same with wheezy-backports? |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | johnfg_: you can get it with wget if that's all you want |
| 02:37.57 | johnfg_ | abrotman: Is there an advantage? |
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| 02:38.11 | johnfg_ | And that's all I need at present, I think. |
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| 02:39.54 | johnfg_ | Huh,on the backports.debian.org website, if I go to search for ipw2200, it doesn't allow me the wheezy-backports choice? |
| 02:40.07 | johnfg_ | It starts with squeeze and goes back. |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | johnfg: newer version |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | johnfg: packages.debian.org/firmware-ipw2200 |
| 02:41.59 | abrotman | sorry, 2x00 |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-ipw2x00 |
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| 02:44.04 | johnfg | abrotman: I got the deb, so I'll just install that and see if the problem goes away. |
| 02:44.30 | johnfg | Any idea(s) about the problem with tracker-miner? |
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| 02:46.03 | johnfg | abrotman: Here's the errors: http://dpaste.com/1410389/ |
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| 02:47.21 | abrotman | seems like some sort of version mismatch |
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| 02:48.03 | abrotman | johnfg: i'd say to make sure everything is upgraded to wheezy |
| 02:48.08 | archetech | need help with bonding 802.3ad |
| 02:48.25 | johnfg | abrotman: Done regularly; just yesterday. |
| 02:48.38 | archetech | startup gives bonding_masters device missing |
| 02:48.46 | johnfg | aptitude update; aptitude upgrade. |
| 02:49.27 | johnfg | abrotman: what does tracker miner even do? |
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| 02:49.43 | johnfg | tracker-miner. |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | you installed it ? |
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| 02:51.13 | johnfg | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 02:51.37 | johnfg | abrotman: Must have been installed with something else. I sure didn't select it to be installed. |
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| 02:52.36 | johnfg | abrotman: I looked at our web page for it (looking). Do I need it? |
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| 02:53.29 | abrotman | johnfg: aptitude why tracker-miner-fs |
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| 02:55.20 | johnfg | abrotman: Here's the results: http://dpaste.com/1410405/ |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | there you go |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | (your errors could also be from flaky hardware) |
| 02:57.12 | johnfg | So it simply got installed with gnome-classic? |
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| 02:57.52 | abrotman | seems that way |
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| 02:58.18 | johnfg | So, is that the time tracker? (which I never use). |
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| 02:58.52 | abrotman | johnfg: it has a package description |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | judd: info tracker-miner-fs |
| 02:59.01 | judd | Package tracker-miner-fs (utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: metadata database, indexer and search tool - filesystem indexer. Version: 0.14.1-3; Size: 299.7k; Installed: 472k; Homepage: http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ |
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| 03:00.26 | johnfg | abrotman: Thanks. I guess I'll have to decide whether or not to keep it. |
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| 03:01.58 | caracal | ow ow ... forcing me off fglrx and onto the foss radeon driver, while not wholly unwelcome, has led to pain ... i need guidance |
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| 03:03.04 | caracal | main complaint: "No screens found", so no X |
| 03:04.18 | caracal | thinking of just swapping back to amd's driver ... need my X, man |
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| 03:10.50 | caracal | ah screw it ... at least the amd driver works and doesn't segfault |
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| 03:18.28 | johnfg | abrotman: What about this: openafs: module license 'http://www.openafs.org/dl/license10.html' taints kernel. |
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| 03:19.17 | johnfg | And this is a debian pkg, not one that I installed from source. |
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| 03:40.23 | t0ke | How can I ensure my graphics driver is up to date? From running lspci I get "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)" |
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| 03:51.32 | t0ke | How can I ensure my graphics driver is up to date? From running lspci I get "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)" |
| 03:53.30 | peterrooney | t0ke: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:55.40 | zykotick9 | t0ke: intel graphics are basically, "in kernel". so, "aptitude update" followed by "aptitude dist-upgrade" _should_ be all you need. |
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| 03:56.05 | t0ke | thank you |
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| 03:57.41 | t0ke | Got "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 03:57.48 | t0ke | Despite running that command as root |
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| 03:58.01 | t0ke | and running nothing else |
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| 03:58.10 | zykotick9 | t0ke: you need to see a # prompt (ie be root) or use sudo with above... |
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| 03:59.41 | nimbiotics | hello evry1. I recently installed debian and I'm loving it. I am however, having issues with an installed app: postgres. I want to remove and install it back again. My question is: How can I make sure I'm not using the same config files when I reinstall?? TIA! |
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| 04:00.36 | zykotick9 | nimbiotics: "aptitude purge foo" will remove config files in /etc. (but nothing in ~) |
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| 04:01.48 | mumpitzel | nimbiotics: you also can remove config files after you uninstalled it. if dpkg -l <package> shows "rc" as status, the package has been removed but the config files still exist. just purge the package and they are gone too |
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| 04:02.22 | obiwanjabr0ni | is it possible to set up the gui like this? http://i.imgur.com/eyow1D2.jpg |
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| 04:04.17 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: really? i did think purge worked in you've already removed the package. |
| 04:04.45 | mumpitzel | worked in? |
| 04:04.52 | zykotick9 | s/did/didn't/ |
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| 04:13.49 | nimbiotics | mumpitzel: thanks |
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| 06:47.34 | vipzrx | I want to use the icedove in the debian sid . the icedove version in the debian sid is 17 ,at the same time ,the thunderbird is 24 . |
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| 06:52.18 | hxm | i have a raid5 with a partition corrupted, how can I fix it? |
| 06:52.25 | hxm | fsck says it is a raid and a unknown partition |
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| 06:52.55 | NSA | got-a run but have you tried replacing the drive and let it rebuild? |
| 06:53.03 | OpenTokix | You have one failed partition, that is part of the raid - or you have a whole raid and then one of the partitions is unknown? |
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| 06:54.46 | hxm | OpenTokix: I have a raid 5 with 8 hd, I recently changed one of those hd because it was damaged |
| 06:55.11 | hxm | i replaced it and now debian says the partition fail |
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| 07:05.31 | X-Sleepy-X | Hi! I'm getting a "Segfault" message when first conneting to a RDP host and then reconnecting to the same RDP host after closing the first connection windows in Remmina. This doesn't happen if I connect to another RDP host. Any ideas of what could be the cause of this or even better, how to fix it? (Yes, I've tried to search for it on Google.) |
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| 07:59.33 | titoo | Hi there. I am contacting you because i have a really simple problem to solve. I mean simple for most of you... I am trying to compile an app and i get an error because of a path issue. The error message is here www.pastie.org/8388676 Basically the path is not good but i dont know how to change it. The patch is like that www.www.pastie.org/8388676 You will find there the theoreticall path ... please help, i am struggling on a simple thi |
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| 08:05.24 | somiaj | titoo: it looks like the file you want to patch is gtk/details.c -- you can check that the file is there, then give it to the patcher when it asks. Not sure why the make file is applying patches during the make, but I dont know the sofware you are using |
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| 08:07.35 | titoo | somiaj, thanks. The trick is I dont know how to formulate the path here. I have the path, as you can see, i know where the error is... but have no idea about the formulation of it... i tried things but no success |
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| 08:10.05 | somiaj | titoo: I'd give it like I suggested but I would talk to the people who wrote the makefile that isn't working. (: |
| 08:10.06 | titoo | on the first line saying diff --git a/gtk/details.c b/gtk/details.c then i should put the path... but i dont know what the letter a and b are for in front of GTK. I tried to put ../work-bromolow/transmission... but no successs |
| 08:10.06 | drybjed | I have a weird problem... I'm creating Debian container using multistrap, after creation I reset password using 'passwd --expire root', and when I login to that container, it forces me to change the password. BUT, when I enter the old and new password, it shows up on the screen? Anybody has an idea what could be missing to prevent that behaviour? |
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| 08:10.52 | somiaj | titoo: a/gtk/detail.c and b/gtk/detail.c are two different directorys a/ and b/ for the original and the patched version to make the diff from. Seems the names didnt clean pu correctly and the path should be <cwd>/gtk/details.c |
| 08:10.56 | titoo | @somiaj the make file is working because when i do not put the patch it is OK. The problem is only in the patch file... |
| 08:11.16 | somiaj | yea I htink the diff was made a bit strangly, but not that sure |
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| 08:11.22 | titoo | what is cwd ? |
| 08:12.36 | somiaj | current working directory |
| 08:12.48 | somiaj | the top level of the source would be my guess |
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| 08:14.21 | titoo | soniaj thanks for your help, i will dig into that more |
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| 08:19.20 | somiaj | drybjed: could you have some local echo of keypresses in the method you use to connect to the container? |
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| 08:20.03 | drybjed | somiaj: I'm using ssh to connect, so I don't think so, when I log in on server, password isn't echoed back |
| 08:20.17 | anglophilic | Hi. Does anyone here know how to install the right thing into an MBR? I am presently booting by means of an IDE drive which is essentially empty except for the loader in the MBR. /boot is on another (SATA) drive. I'd like to install a bootloader into the MBR of that other drive and set the BIOS to boot from that drive instead. I found a site that talks about "Super Grub Disk" that knows how to do such operations, but that disk is now deprecated in |
| 08:20.17 | anglophilic | favour of Super Grub 2 disk, which apparently does no writing to disk drives. I don't want to install GRUB itself, since, as I said, there is already a /boot filesystem, which has a working GRUB. I do have a Super GRUB 2 disk, which I created a few years ago, but apparently is useless, except to boot a system that does not have a good loader in the MBR. Suggestions? |
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| 08:20.48 | drybjed | I'll test on a different template |
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| 08:21.40 | somiaj | drybjed: maybe try to ssh from another machine/terminal if the local echo is there. Only random thought I had on as to why you see the password echoed to the terminal |
| 08:23.10 | somiaj | anglophilic: from debian you are most likely using grub, try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' it should ask you some questions, one is what drive to install grub to, you can also just use 'grub-install' command, read the manpage |
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| 08:24.33 | anglophilic | somiaj: thanks - as I said, I don't want to do a full-blown GRUB install, only the part that goes into the MBR, since GRUB itself is already installed and happily living in /boot on the SATA drive. |
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| 08:25.15 | somiaj | anglophilic: that is what grub install does, it installs the bootloader into the mbr based off the info in /boot. If you are booted into the system it will point it at the right disk |
| 08:25.50 | somiaj | if you read the man page for grub-install you will also see you can specify the --boot-directory if you want |
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| 08:26.17 | superlinux-hp | hi how can I make the default flash disk ext4 volume writable everywhere on the flash? |
| 08:26.21 | anglophilic | somiaj: ah - ok - I'll take a look. Thanks! |
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| 08:27.20 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: what do you mean by default flash disk? |
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| 08:29.50 | superlinux-hp | somiaj, i mean this: i have a flash disk that I just bought. the auto-mounting goes read-only on the whole disk unless i open a writable folder. how can I make it auto-mount writeable by defualt? I don't want to use fstab. |
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| 08:30.09 | superlinux-hp | and the volume is ext4. |
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| 08:31.05 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: like an SD flash card? Is there a small switch on it? |
| 08:31.35 | somiaj | I thought some had a switch you can change from writiable to readonly mode, maybe that is what the automouter is reading. Else you can try to configure the automounter. I don't know how to do this as I don't use them |
| 08:31.36 | superlinux-hp | no.. it's a USB Kingston flash finger |
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| 08:31.43 | superlinux-hp | flash stick |
| 08:31.52 | somiaj | well same idea, is there a 'readonly' switch on it? |
| 08:31.59 | superlinux-hp | no! |
| 08:32.06 | superlinux-hp | just plug it in |
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| 08:32.09 | Guestl337 | sauvin |
| 08:32.27 | superlinux-hp | Guestl337 hi |
| 08:32.31 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: then I suggest you look at the automounter and logs and see why it decides to mount it readonly |
| 08:32.39 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 08:32.49 | superlinux-hp | somiaj, where exactly? |
| 08:32.54 | Guestl337 | sahi |
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| 08:33.07 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: I'd have to ask google, as I said I don't use automounters. |
| 08:33.09 | superlinux-hp | which configuration files? I know how to reach the logs |
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| 08:33.30 | TTomiK | does apt-get update do any changes to software? |
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| 08:34.07 | Guestl337 | sahi |
| 08:34.09 | Guestl337 | sauvin |
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| 08:34.25 | gnarface | TTomiK: no |
| 08:34.42 | TTomiK | thanks for the confirmation, gnarface |
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| 08:37.11 | Guestl337 | sauvin |
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| 08:38.26 | somiaj | Guestl337: if you have a question please ask, if not there are other channels for offtopic chatter |
| 08:39.10 | Guestl337 | k |
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| 08:58.07 | boudiccas_ | how do i change the skin colour of programmes like knode and qmpdclient please? |
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| 09:01.15 | somiaj | boudiccas: are those using the qt widget set? |
| 09:02.04 | boudiccas | somiaj; i dont know, i just install them and the skin colour is just a deep olive green, not nice at all |
| 09:02.26 | boudiccas | how do i influence the qt widget set please? |
| 09:02.32 | somiaj | yea they both appear to be dependent on libqt, so you need to concfigure the qt-theme |
| 09:02.38 | somiaj | (it is the kde version of gtk) |
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| 09:02.40 | boudiccas | okay thanks |
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| 09:02.54 | Negative_Se7en | hi there |
| 09:02.58 | Negative_Se7en | i've just installed |
| 09:02.59 | somiaj | there is a package qt4-qtconfig that may do the trick |
| 09:03.02 | Negative_Se7en | debian 7.1 |
| 09:03.04 | Negative_Se7en | without |
| 09:03.08 | Negative_Se7en | any Desktop |
| 09:03.18 | Negative_Se7en | now im gonna download XFCE |
| 09:03.19 | jelly | !enter |
| 09:03.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 09:03.27 | Negative_Se7en | then install it on my debian |
| 09:03.34 | Negative_Se7en | but xfce.org |
| 09:03.39 | Negative_Se7en | only gives the source code |
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| 09:03.45 | Negative_Se7en | i can't find no binaries |
| 09:03.46 | Negative_Se7en | :(( |
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| 09:03.57 | somiaj | Negative_Se7en: Do you not what the xfce4 version that comes with debian 7.1? |
| 09:04.05 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 09:04.05 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 09:04.30 | Negative_Se7en | i wanna |
| 09:04.36 | Negative_Se7en | install off-line |
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| 09:04.52 | Negative_Se7en | i have another |
| 09:04.59 | Negative_Se7en | PC |
| 09:05.08 | Negative_Se7en | i can download the files with that |
| 09:05.14 | jelly | Negative_Se7en: dude, please write whole sentences in a single line |
| 09:05.18 | anchor | ./.libs/libpng16.so: undefined reference to `png_init_filter_functions_neon' |
| 09:05.18 | anchor | do you have any idea? |
| 09:05.23 | Negative_Se7en | then i'm gonna install them on debian |
| 09:05.33 | Negative_Se7en | ok |
| 09:05.35 | Negative_Se7en | sry |
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| 09:05.55 | Negative_Se7en | no idea ? |
| 09:06.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell Negative_Se7en about apt-zip |
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| 09:07.38 | jelly | Negative_Se7en: did you get a private message from the dpkg bot |
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| 09:08.57 | Negative_Se7en | i got |
| 09:09.09 | Negative_Se7en | he can't help :D |
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| 09:12.06 | anglophilic | somiaj: Well, I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' as you suggested. It asked me no questions, but said "Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg" and that it found a few files. I've read the grub-install man page, which seems to indicate that it does write into /boot: "grub-install copies GRUB images into /boot/grub, and uses grub-setup to install grub into the boot sector." I'm unclear on what the "INSTALL_DEVICE" it talks about I should use. Would it be somet |
| 09:12.06 | anglophilic | hing like /dev/sdb? |
| 09:12.15 | jelly | anchor: why are you building libpng from sources? |
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| 09:21.19 | gnude | hello, i have a question. |
| 09:21.40 | gnude | i had a debian 6 installed on /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 was swap. |
| 09:21.53 | gnude | after the installation i create a backup with partimage |
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| 09:22.10 | gnude | then i installed on /dev/sda1 debian 7 to take a look at it. |
| 09:22.43 | ompaul | three statements in a row |
| 09:22.44 | gnude | i work some time, then i decided to go back to debian 6. so i restore the image using partimage, boot from debian 6 cd and restore the grub |
| 09:23.15 | gnude | now the system works fine. but the swap is not used. it is still there at /dev/sda2 but not used anymore. any ideas? |
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| 09:24.06 | format_c | already tried swapon /dev/sda2 ? |
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| 09:24.45 | gnude | format_c: the best solution is sometimes the nearest. but i dont see it |
| 09:25.11 | gnude | nice. works. thanks. |
| 09:25.12 | ompaul | gnude: is it a uuid in fstab? |
| 09:25.37 | format_c | cheersw |
| 09:26.13 | gnude | here is my fstab: http://nopaste.me/paste/951345786525521243619b |
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| 09:27.05 | gnude | it is possible that the installation of debian 7 give the swap a new uuid. how can i find out the old uuid and can i change it back to the old one? |
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| 09:29.01 | ksk | hey guys. |
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| 09:29.28 | anglophilic | Hi, format_c. somiaj is afk, so I thought I'd ask you - The following is in reference to an exchange that happened a short while ago, so it's likely in your scrollback - I've answered one of my questions by using "info grub-install" - I think that I should use /dev/sdb as an arg. I'm still worried, though, about damaging what's under /boot |
| 09:30.05 | ompaul | gnude: na just get the new one and put that in your ls -l /dev/sdb/by-uuid |
| 09:30.23 | ompaul | gnude: na just get the new one and put that in your ls -l /dev/sda2/by-uuid whatever |
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| 09:31.31 | ksk | I'd like to use pam_mount to do a mount-operation at a users login - this does work fine. as i want to chroot that user into that mountpoint it would be needed that this mountpoint is mounted by "root" so the chroots "/" is owned by root. any idea on how to accomplish that? |
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| 09:32.15 | anglophilic | Oops - seems format_c has also left. Can anyone help allay my fears of messing up GRUB given what I've said about what I read in the info page for grub-install, which seems to write stuff into /boot (according to what it says)? |
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| 09:33.33 | gnude | thanks i will take a look |
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| 09:36.11 | jelly | gnude: the old UUID might be present in fstab. It can be applied by doing mkswap with proper options |
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| 09:38.56 | gnude | jelly: thanks i actually compare the both infos , from bulkid and the fstab and then i will take a look how to change the uuid from the swap partitin. it is the best way, if i will restore the backup in future again the id is still correct. |
| 09:39.35 | phix | Evening |
| 09:40.02 | anglophilic | Morning |
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| 09:42.05 | gnude | i see the uuid solution in a ubuntu forum. i will test it and write a short description into my blog and wiki |
| 09:42.11 | gnude | thank you for your help! |
| 09:42.47 | queretaro | I already use Debian stable for my server, but then it comes to laptops/PCs... what do you recommend? testing or stable? |
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| 09:43.29 | anchor | jelly: because I use BeagleBoneBlack. I compiled qt project but need ./Test: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libpng16.so.16: file too short |
| 09:43.29 | rozie | queretaro: unstable |
| 09:44.00 | rozie | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
| 09:44.01 | jelly | anchor: which debian architecture and release is this? |
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| 09:45.52 | anchor | jelly: Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy). Actualy I linked from libpng12 to llibpng16. Said earlier, library not found |
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| 09:46.05 | queretaro | rozie, where can I find an ISO image of unstable? http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ only shows stable and testing |
| 09:46.16 | tschundeee | which java sdk is faster for webapp hosting? openjre6-headless or suns jre 6 or version 7 of one of them? (my app is coded in java 6) |
| 09:46.33 | ompaul | queretaro: you can't you get stable and dist-upgrade to testing and then dist-upgrade to sid (aka unstable) |
| 09:46.36 | jelly | anchor: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 09:46.55 | rozie | queretaro: just install testing, change testing to unstable in sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:47.24 | queretaro | thank you guys |
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| 09:47.26 | anchor | jelly: armhf |
| 09:47.55 | jelly | anchor: pastebin the output of dpkg -S /usr/lib/libpng* please |
| 09:49.03 | anchor | jelly:http://pastebin.com/1MYbxhTB |
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| 09:51.13 | jelly | anchor: is /usr/lib a symlink for some reason? |
| 09:51.37 | jelly | anchor: did you install stuff from source with prefix=/usr? |
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| 09:53.08 | jelly | anchor: the packaged libpng ought to be in /lib/*/libpng*, not /usr/lib |
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| 09:53.51 | jelly | (more than a single thing seems messed up there) |
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| 09:55.24 | omarek | Hi, I need to set my keyboard to polish in TTY. Under X, I fixed it with '.xinitrc' (setxkbmap pl). Any ideas ? |
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| 09:56.09 | uovobw | omarek: loadkeys <country code for poland> |
| 09:56.13 | uovobw | from the TTY |
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| 09:57.24 | anchor | jelly: which is installed in the system libpng12.so.12 .I gave an error after receiving a symbolic link. That did not help. |
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| 09:58.33 | oiaohm | Anyone else having the problem that gtk applications are not coming up under X11 |
| 09:59.04 | anglophilic | uovobw: Thanks for answering omarek's question, which solved a problem I encountered a couple of days ago. Had a VMWare image of a Debian system that had a German keyboard layout. Does the change persist through reboots? |
| 09:59.55 | omarek | uovobw: Operation not permitted, Permission Denied http://paste.debian.net/54154 . I tried with 'sudo' as well, but perhaps it only sets it for root. Do I need to put it in /etc/.profile or something like that ? |
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| 10:00.35 | anglophilic | omarek: I executed the command as root, and it worked fine. |
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| 10:01.56 | anglophilic | omarek: You should have the file /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/pl.kmap.gz |
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| 10:02.37 | anglophilic | omarek: If you do, you can use "loadkeys pl" |
| 10:02.54 | omarek | anglophilic: the command throws no errors, but I still get diamonds instead of polish characters. I tried with 'sudo su' |
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| 10:03.29 | anglophilic | The command should respond with "Loading /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/pl.kmap.gz" |
| 10:03.38 | omarek | I do have the file in /usr/share/... . |
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| 10:03.55 | omarek | It does, but no visible effect. |
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| 10:04.32 | anglophilic | hmmm, I dunno - works for me - what keys should I try to verify that it works correctly? |
| 10:04.48 | omarek | ąłóźżćńśźżę - this is from KDE4. |
| 10:05.09 | anglophilic | which keys on the keyboard, though? |
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| 10:05.43 | anglophilic | I want to see if the correct characters are generated when I press a Polish character key. |
| 10:05.53 | omarek | Typically, you get these with right_alt + (z|x|o|l|a|e|s|n|) |
| 10:06.06 | anglophilic | ok - thanks - I'll try... |
| 10:06.44 | anglophilic | I get nothing - just a moment, want to check something... |
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| 10:07.50 | omarek | My locale is mixed polish/english, because I want english messages with the ability to input and display polish characters. http://paste.debian.net/54155/ |
| 10:08.11 | anglophilic | omarek: Here's what I found a couple days ago for the German keyboard layout - I don't see something equivalent for the Polish keyboard, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_keyboard_layout |
| 10:08.17 | uovobw | anglophilic: it does not persist it, i fear. you need to change locale or to dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data i think |
| 10:08.34 | uovobw | omarek: you need to be root to do that. try sudo su - and then loadkeys |
| 10:08.39 | anglophilic | uovobw: Thanks - can probably put it into an rc script. |
| 10:09.00 | uovobw | anglophilic: no no there is a specific and definite place to do it (debian way) but i don't remember it at the moment |
| 10:09.09 | omarek | uovobw: I did that with sudo su as well, I get the right messages but no visible effect. Even if I log in in another TTY. |
| 10:09.25 | uovobw | hmmm |
| 10:09.42 | anglophilic | uovobw: I think that's not the problem. I succeeded in loading the Polish characters, but the right-alt doesn't produce those characters - there must be another keyboard mapping - I'll try a few things. |
| 10:09.48 | uovobw | polish uses the a latin alphabet, right? o cyrillic? (sorry for asking, very ignorant here :( ) |
| 10:09.49 | omarek | anglophilic: I'm not sure what you're getting at, but standard polish is qwerty, not qwertz. |
| 10:10.12 | uovobw | omarek: good point, it might be a different keyboard mapping |
| 10:10.45 | anglophilic | Yes - I understand, omarek - I just used the German layout page as an example of what would be nice to have - a picture of a Polish keyboard. |
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| 10:11.24 | anglophilic | But maybe you're saying that there isn't something similar, since you use rt-alt. |
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| 10:12.29 | uovobw | i find online that the package is console-data |
| 10:12.39 | uovobw | and there should also be keyboard-configuration (?) that has to do with that |
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| 10:13.29 | omarek | uovobw: anglophilic: I'm googling for my keyboard model to make sure how many keys it has. |
| 10:13.35 | anglophilic | omarek, uovobw - The pl.kmap.gz file supposedly loaded correctly, but I don't see a difference in keyboard behaviour - still getting the US keyboard mapping. :( |
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| 10:15.00 | omarek | anglophilic: Try creating a file .xinitrc with contents: setxkbmap pl |
| 10:15.02 | anglophilic | Ah - I see why rt-alt isn't working for me - I have it set as my VirtualBox hotkey - I'll change it and see what happens. omarek uovobw |
| 10:15.17 | omarek | Then open a new terminal in X. You should be able to input polish chars. |
| 10:15.27 | omarek | Just don't forget to remove the file. |
| 10:15.43 | anglophilic | omarek: Well, the VM I'm using only provides a terminal - guess I could try it on my actual system here. |
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| 10:16.30 | omarek | left alt *might* work, but depending on configuration polish chars are produced with: either of ALT keys, or right alt. So right alt is a safer bet. |
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| 10:17.23 | omarek | Thank you for your efforts anyway. I'm out of ideas, but will keep an eye on this channel. |
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| 10:18.46 | anglophilic | ok, omarek - I just tried "loadkeys pl" on another Linux box here and got the same results as yourself - boxes instead of characters using rt-alt. |
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| 10:19.45 | nufa | hi guys |
| 10:19.58 | nufa | I think I have delete the win efi file |
| 10:20.20 | nufa | because I get this error: erro file /efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi not found |
| 10:20.41 | nufa | even if I try to do a grub-probe for the efi files it doesn't find any |
| 10:20.55 | uovobw | omarek anglophilic could it be you do not have the kernel/libs charset loaded? i am not sure as i am a lucky italian speaker so my charset is in by default, but there might be some pieces missing... |
| 10:20.56 | nufa | am I in the hell? |
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| 10:21.28 | babilen | nufa: Well, *did* you delete it or not? |
| 10:21.31 | anglophilic | uovobw: How can I tell if I have kernel/libs charset? |
| 10:21.37 | nufa | babilen: nope |
| 10:21.52 | nufa | but in my /boot/efi/ partition there's just the linux efi file one |
| 10:22.11 | nufa | babilen: or at least I don't think I have |
| 10:23.02 | omarek | The keyboard is gk-070006/U (SlimStar 110). Official specs on manufacturer's website don't even say how many keys it has. 110 doesn' ring true, the only extra keys are 2 windows keys. |
| 10:23.28 | omarek | uovobw: Possible. |
| 10:23.36 | uovobw | anglophilic: there should be some like ISO-<4DigitNumber> |
| 10:23.42 | uovobw | let me check |
| 10:24.01 | uovobw | anglophilic: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/charsets.7.html ? |
| 10:24.06 | anglophilic | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.07 | babilen | nufa: Are you using multiple disks? Do you have os-prober installed? May I see the output of "upgrade-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sdX" (with the latter, most likely, being /dev/sda and the disk you boot from) |
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| 10:24.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell omarek about keymap |
| 10:25.05 | babilen | omarek: Please note that some desktop environments (e.g. Gnome, KDE) offer their own tools for adjusting this on top of Xorg. |
| 10:25.18 | nufa | babilen: I think I can do bad stuff doing that.. I'm using grub2-efi so using grub2 should be dangerous |
| 10:25.32 | nufa | I'm using just a disk |
| 10:26.03 | omarek | anglophilic: A good idea ! I just tried it, I typed some polish characters under TTY, and they look fine under X. It's likely an issue with not installed fonts. |
| 10:26.09 | babilen | nufa: It's the same command for both grub-pc and grub-efi. It's just that the underlying software is different. |
| 10:26.10 | anglophilic | uovobw: I know that Cyrillic characters in filenames display properly - don't know if that tells us anything useful, though. |
| 10:26.18 | nufa | babilen: ah ok |
| 10:26.24 | anglophilic | omarek: aha!! |
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| 10:26.36 | omarek | babilen: Yes, it does work in X (KDE4) - I put 'setxkbmap pl' in .xinitrc . |
| 10:27.45 | omarek | Okay, thank you. I'll search for polish packages. It can wait, I'm doing my programming under KDE4 anyway. TTY is for backup, for example when X.org breaks. |
| 10:27.52 | nufa | babilen: upgrade-grub is not recognized |
| 10:27.56 | babilen | omarek: No, that is a horrible setup and I would strongly recommend to configure it in /etc/default/keyboard by running "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" -- .xinitrc has also been deprecated in Debian and you should use ~/.xsession instead |
| 10:27.56 | anglophilic | omarek: You might like to look at the page uovobw suggested: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/charsets.7.html - don't know if it tells us how to display additional character sets, but it might be useful info. |
| 10:28.15 | nufa | for the other, what should I put instead of X? the efi partition? |
| 10:28.23 | babilen | nufa: Sorry, that should have been "update-grub2" not "upgrade-grub2" ; Please also make sure that os-prober is installed. |
| 10:28.26 | anglophilic | omarek: ah - good - so you can use some other text editor, like Kate, maybe. |
| 10:28.29 | omarek | babilen: O |
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| 10:28.55 | babilen | nufa: Well, as you have one disk only the set of commands should be "update-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sda" |
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| 10:29.11 | omarek | babilen: I've already tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. It looks fine to me, but doesn't work. I vaguely remember I fixed something like this in previous install by installing font packages. |
| 10:29.15 | nufa | babilen: they do not work.. well I'm on suse.. maybe it's that :) |
| 10:29.20 | uovobw | if the chars are displayed correctly in X but not in tty you are likely missing the tty fonts package (not that i remember the name) |
| 10:29.33 | uovobw | or the font you are currently using does not support that charset |
| 10:29.43 | uovobw | (don't quote me on that, though :D) |
| 10:30.01 | babilen | omarek: As you are using KDE you probably also have to configure *in KDE*. I can't help you with that as I don't use KDE but I am sure that there is an easy to find "Keyboard" configuration wizard or something along those lines. |
| 10:30.23 | babilen | nufa: This is #debian not #suse -- Why are you asking here if you use suse? |
| 10:30.43 | uovobw | omarek and anglophilic do you have the kbd-data package installed? |
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| 10:30.48 | babilen | nufa: We *only* support pure Debian in here and nothing else. |
| 10:30.54 | nufa | babilen: because there's nobody there :D |
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| 10:31.05 | anglophilic | uovobw: don't know - how can I tell? |
| 10:31.10 | nufa | babilen: and I have debian in the other pc |
| 10:31.11 | ompaul | omarek: look in the settings menu and start system settings |
| 10:31.12 | babilen | nufa: Feel free to install and use Debian if you want our support. *sigh* |
| 10:31.13 | uovobw | anglophilic: dpkg -l | grep kdb-data |
| 10:31.15 | anglophilic | oh - synaptic maybe |
| 10:31.20 | anglophilic | ok |
| 10:31.27 | nufa | babilen: I have it installed on another machine :D |
| 10:31.29 | uovobw | anglophilic: if there is a ii at the beginning of the first line it prints then it is insalled |
| 10:31.40 | uovobw | anglophilic: if not, apt get it |
| 10:31.57 | anglophilic | uovobw: don't have it - will apt-get it... |
| 10:31.57 | babilen | nufa: So what? The machine we are working on does *not* run Debian. Please accept our policy and take it to the appropriate channel. |
| 10:32.22 | uovobw | anglophilic: 99% that's it |
| 10:32.38 | nufa | babilen: okkk no problem |
| 10:32.39 | uovobw | anglophilic: apt-get it, reboot, try the loadkeys and check again with the czech chars, it should work |
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| 10:33.11 | anglophilic | uovobw: "Package kbd-data is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:33.11 | anglophilic | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:33.11 | anglophilic | is only available from another source" |
| 10:33.19 | uovobw | nufa: you could try opensuse, they might help better than debian |
| 10:33.26 | uovobw | (sorry, than #debian) |
| 10:33.40 | babilen | uovobw: nuva left already |
| 10:33.45 | babilen | *nufa |
| 10:34.10 | uovobw | babilen: missed the part message, i ignored them in irssi . very smart me...sigh. sorry for the noise |
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| 10:35.13 | anglophilic | uovobw: Well, I was just trying to assist omarek - don't really have a need for Polish characters myself, so I won't pursue the effort just now - maybe later as a learning exercise. |
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| 10:36.26 | uovobw | anglophilic: ah got you guys mixed up, sorry |
| 10:36.37 | anglophilic | uovobw: But maybe you can help with a problem I described here a while back having to do with writing a bootloader into an MBR. I was advised to use grub-install, but am nervous due to what I read in the "info grub-install" page about how the command modifies the contents of stuff under /boot. |
| 10:37.33 | babilen | uovobw: No problem; I solved that by using a very dark colour for PARTS/JOINS/... as you can see on http://i.imgur.com/V7r5HqK.png . That way they are not distracting at all. Let me know if you are interested in that theme. |
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| 10:38.14 | uovobw | yup it does. if you want to be _ultra_ safe you can backup the /boot dir contents and then run a dd if=/dev/THEDISK of=backup_mbr.bin count=1 bs=446 that way if you fuck up you can restore the contents of the mbr with the opposite dd command |
| 10:38.54 | uovobw | babilen: noice! which theme is it? i am using the "garden" one for irssi |
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| 10:39.19 | babilen | anglophilic: Why are you nervous? You can reinstall your bootloader easily simply by running "update-grub2" and then "grub-install /dev/sdX" with /dev/sdX most likely being /dev/sda (the disk you boot from). Make sure to have os-prober installed if you have other operating systems installed besides Debian/Linux. |
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| 10:39.51 | anglophilic | uovobw: I did back up /boot, just in case. |
| 10:40.12 | anglophilic | uovobw: But the backup would do me no good if I can't boot into the system. :) |
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| 10:40.54 | uovobw | anglophilic: you can _always_ boot anything, just use a live cd (personally i love http://grml.org/ ) |
| 10:41.12 | anglophilic | babilen: I'm nervous because I'm ignorant of how things work. I found a tutorial at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html but it may be somewhat dated. |
| 10:41.47 | babilen | anglophilic: Creating a backup of your MBR is, however, a good idea. Contrary to the command uovobw gave you (which does not backup the partition table) I would recommend to backup the entire MBR which is 512 bytes. I also typically recommend to use dcfldd and not dd (it's simply better) which would make the command "dcfldd if=/dev/sda of=sda.mbr bs=512 count=1" |
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| 10:41.54 | anglophilic | uovobw: I do have a copy of the rescue disk and the Super GRUB2 one. |
| 10:43.25 | uovobw | babilen: i left the partition table out because i did not know if he was going to modify that... |
| 10:43.28 | anglophilic | babilen: Hmmm. I wonder whether I could just dd a copy of the MBR from another drive onto the one that I want to be able to boot from. Seems a bit inelegant, but maybe it would work. (?) |
| 10:43.56 | anglophilic | uovobw: does the partition table live within the MBR? |
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| 10:44.12 | babilen | anglophilic: I am not familiar with that tutorial, but all you really have to know about at this point are the two commands I mentioned above. "update-grub2" will generate a new /boot/grub/grub.cfg based on the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ and your information in /etc/default/grub (read the referenced info page to learn more about those) |
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| 10:45.11 | babilen | uovobw: yeah, sure. No problem. I simply prefer to have all as you can "cherry pick" the bytes you really need easily later. |
| 10:45.27 | uovobw | babilen: good point |
| 10:45.45 | uovobw | anglophilic: it does not, they are contiguos in the first 512 bytes of the disk |
| 10:45.52 | babilen | uovobw: I would like to point out dcfldd to you which is simply "a better dd". The only problem with that tools is that it is not installed by default. |
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| 10:46.19 | uovobw | (btw is that still relevant with the "new" disks that sport 4096 byte sectors? mmm) |
| 10:46.29 | uovobw | babilen: i will _never_ _ever_ remember that name :D |
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| 10:47.51 | babilen | uovobw: hehe, it took me a while but take a look at it. You could even alias one to the other. |
| 10:48.02 | babilen | (I think, not entirely sure if they 100% compatible) |
| 10:49.15 | uovobw | babilen: i will. the "not installed by default" point remains, but looks promising! tfti |
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| 10:49.51 | anglophilic | babilen: earlier, I was told by somiaj (who I think is now afk) to use 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' which I did - didn't ask me any questions as I was told it would do, however. somiaj also said "that is what grub install does, it installs the bootloader into the mbr based off the info in /boot. If you are booted into the system it will point it at the right disk" and led me to believe that the contents of /boot would not be affected (but maybe I misinte |
| 10:49.51 | anglophilic | rpreted the comment). |
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| 10:52.15 | babilen | anglophilic: I would have to look into the maintainer script to verify what a reinstall of that package does exactly, but "upgrade-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sda" is the seminal way to, well, update the configuration and install the bootloader to disk. |
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| 10:52.33 | anglophilic | uovobw, babilen - do you think I'd be safe doing something like "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sdb bs=1 count=512" ? |
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| 10:53.02 | anglophilic | babilen: ok - I'm sure you're right - thanks |
| 10:53.14 | babilen | anglophilic: What problem are you trying to solve exactly? |
| 10:53.46 | uovobw | anglophilic: "better safe than sorry", you do have backups of everything after all, DO YOU? |
| 10:54.10 | anglophilic | uovobw: uhhhh, well, errrr :) |
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| 10:55.46 | anglophilic | uovobw: I have a new 3TB drive - it would probably be worthwhile, if only on a temporary basis, to do some backups to it from my other three drives. |
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| 10:57.47 | anglophilic | babilen: re your question, here's what I asked a couple hours ago (when not many folks were around): |
| 10:57.55 | anglophilic | babilen: Does anyone here know how to install the right thing into an MBR? I am presently booting by means of an IDE drive which is essentially empty except for the loader in the MBR. /boot is on another (SATA) drive. I'd like to install a bootloader into the MBR of that other drive and set the BIOS to boot from that drive instead. |
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| 10:58.27 | anglophilic | babilen: I found a site that talks about "Super Grub Disk" that knows how to do such operations, but that disk is now deprecated in favour of Super Grub 2 disk, which apparently does no writing to disk drives. I don't want to install GRUB itself, since, as I said, there is already a /boot filesystem, which has a working GRUB. I do have a Super GRUB 2 disk, which I created a few years ago, but apparently is useless, except to boot a system that does no |
| 10:58.27 | anglophilic | t have a good loader in the MBR. Suggestions? |
| 10:58.34 | babilen | anglophilic: Yeah, that would be "grub-install /dev/sdX" with /dev/sdX being the device node of the drive you want to boot from. |
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| 10:59.19 | anglophilic | babilen: And it will read the existing config files to determine where the existing bootable systems live, I assume. |
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| 10:59.22 | babilen | anglophilic: "update-grub2" simply generates a suitable /boot/grub/grub.cfg based on your system's configuration and the scripts in /etc/grub.d/* |
| 10:59.53 | anglophilic | babilen: sounds good - I'll give it a go. |
| 11:00.13 | uovobw | anglophilic: exactly what babilen said. when i run a multi-disk machine i do a grub install on ALL the disks, so i can pretty much boot it should any disk fail |
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| 11:00.37 | uovobw | also having the boot partition on a RAID1 volume is handy too |
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| 11:01.21 | anglophilic | uovobw, babilen - I use "grub-install" or "update-grub2" ? |
| 11:01.36 | anglophilic | uovobw: ok |
| 11:01.58 | anglophilic | sounds like I want grub-install |
| 11:02.19 | uovobw | update-grub2 generates the _config_ for grub, grub-install physically writes the magic stuff in the device you tell him to |
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| 11:02.21 | uovobw | it's a two stage process |
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| 11:02.39 | anglophilic | uovobw: yeah - I want it to write to the MBR. |
| 11:02.52 | anglophilic | so you're saying I do both, then. |
| 11:03.00 | mister_zombie | Hi, I'm considering changing my laptop in a couple of months and I was wondering if this was a good candidate: http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y410p/ |
| 11:03.01 | anglophilic | first the update then the install |
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| 11:04.04 | babilen | anglophilic: yes, as I said a couple of times already: Run "update-grub2" and then install it with "grub-install /dev/sda" (assuming you want to boot from that) |
| 11:04.22 | mister_zombie | I know there's an Nvidia card in there, and I've heard horrible horrible things about Nvidia drivers, but I also heard that Nvidia is getting their act together. That and I'm gonna use it mostly for work. |
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| 11:04.32 | anglophilic | babilen: got it - sorry to make you repeat yourself :( :) |
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| 11:04.43 | babilen | anglophilic: :(: |
| 11:04.59 | babilen | np |
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| 11:10.20 | anglophilic | uovobw, babilen (who has now left) - thanks guys - works like a charm. Much obliged! |
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| 11:11.44 | uovobw | anglophilic: cool, np ( i did nothing, but hey, thanks :D ) |
| 11:11.58 | uovobw | mister_zombie: i have an nvidia card with debian, with primus, works like a charm... |
| 11:13.39 | mister_zombie | What's primus? I mean, I know there's a band named that, but in the context of nvidia and debian, I'm at a loss. |
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| 11:16.11 | mister_zombie | uovobw: I'm guessing I probably won't have huge problems with that laptop, I'd just rather not use Windows ever. At all. Not on that laptop. I'm probably gonna get /boot on the ssd. They say you can get a 20gb ssd with it, I'm thinking maybe the whole /, and /home on the hdd. On my current system, / is 40 gb and I'm only using 12. |
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| 11:17.15 | Arroyo1010 | So, I've downloaded a source package, edited something, compiled it and installed it. I did not mess with the .desc file, and just left it as-is. On my next apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, that version got overwritten with the exact same version from the repo. How can I prevent this witout holding a package or altering the .desc file ?? |
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| 11:18.47 | Arroyo1010 | I've followed the debian wiki for the source download & compile. It was nothing special, just changed one hard coded number |
| 11:18.51 | warhead | hello to all |
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| 11:32.32 | petn-randall | mister_zombie: AFAIR the optimus chipset is not fully supported yet. If you can avoid it, don't use an optimus chipset. Unless someone else here is more up-to-date than me on the topic. |
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| 11:33.12 | petn-randall | mister_zombie: And I wouldn't count on nvidia getting their act together, those things can take years until they happen ... |
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| 11:36.30 | Arroyo1010 | I ment control file, not desc file |
| 11:37.15 | nikiforo | hmm... I have an irc xchat client. How can I turn off logging and leaving messages from users? Or where should I ask about this question? |
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| 11:38.37 | Arroyo1010 | nikiforo, google first, then ask in #xchat if you can't figure it out |
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| 11:38.48 | Silicium_ | hi there |
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| 11:39.54 | nikiforo | Thanks! I forgot to prepend xchat with # :) |
| 11:41.43 | Silicium | are there performance problems with aes-ni and some SSD's known? |
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| 11:42.51 | themill | dpkg: tell Arroyo1010 about package recompile |
| 11:42.54 | Silicium | i had an x210 with rapiddrive and dmcrypt which uses an i7 aes-ni. this was awesome fast but then i switched to another company, i now have an t410 with i5+aes-ni |
| 11:43.04 | Silicium | and a third party samsung 830 SSD |
| 11:43.08 | Silicium | but its terrible slow |
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| 11:43.21 | Silicium | i dont reach more than 600iops |
| 11:43.28 | themill | Arroyo1010: you should change the version of the package -- use the "dch" utility to add a changelog entry even if it's as simple as "* recompile with option foo" |
| 11:43.34 | uovobw | mister_zombie: check out which video output is connected to which card, for example on my laptop the Nvidia discrete card is connected to the hdmi output (that i cannot therefore use) while the DVI one is connected to the integrated intel (that works perfectly) |
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| 11:45.13 | Arroyo1010 | themill, thank you |
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| 11:49.23 | endomafrendo | hi there, i hope i'm at the right place here. i got a new notebook yesterday (lenovo thinkpad t430). It has an NVIDIA NVS5400M in it and Optimus. In the BIOS I only enabled the NVIDIA graphics. I Installed crunchbang waldorf, which is basically Debian Wheezy with openbox. I installed the 3.9 kernel from backports as well as the NVidia driver via DKMS. I also removed the stock 3.2 kernel, since it is known that it has freeze problems |
| 11:49.24 | endomafrendo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:50.47 | ChrisH | dpkg: please tell endomafrendo about waldorf |
| 11:50.47 | dpkg | ChrisH: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:51.02 | ChrisH | !wladorf |
| 11:51.08 | ChrisH | !waldorf |
| 11:51.08 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 11:52.43 | endomafrendo | <ChrisH> ty |
| 11:52.43 | oktr | myt debain server restarts automatically,from where i can check why did it reboot ,the cause |
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| 11:54.38 | bezaban | oktr: /var/log is probably a good place to start |
| 11:54.46 | oktr | beardo__ i can find nothing there |
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| 11:55.25 | bezaban | oktr: does it go down like shutdown was called or just switch off? |
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| 11:55.30 | oktr | i check /var/log/message |
| 11:55.35 | oktr | but i find 10000000000000 of lines |
| 11:55.49 | bezaban | that's a lot of lines |
| 11:56.54 | oktr | bezaban any | grep i can print |
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| 11:58.04 | oktr | bezaban on windows there is even viewer ,what similar in debian ? |
| 11:58.09 | bezaban | oktr: look at the end (shift-G) while in less, or the last message before it reboots |
| 11:58.14 | bezaban | oktr: /var/log is |
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| 11:58.46 | oktr | bezaban my linux rung opensips which is a voip service ,and it print alot of lines in log |
| 11:59.03 | oktr | bezaban and as you know log is a directory |
| 11:59.17 | oktr | whichi file i should serach |
| 11:59.23 | oktr | and for what parameters |
| 11:59.55 | bezaban | oktr: syslog and messages for the last messages before it reboots. I don't know what to search for because we don't know what the problem is |
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| 12:00.32 | oktr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.48 | ChrisH | oktr: start cd /var/log ; ls -rtl and check the newest files. tail FILE and decide what you do not want to see. run egrep -e -v "patter1|pattern2" LOGFILE | tail and add more and more patterns |
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| 12:03.30 | bezaban | it can be a kernel or module related issue if it crashes, or it can be hardware related if it just cycles power |
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| 12:04.49 | oktr | bezaban i grep syslog , for the same minute that system crashed and i find hundreds of lines 193577] EXT4-fs (sda1): ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 8052941 |
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| 12:05.49 | oktr | syslog:Oct 9 07:59:06 debian kernel: [ 7.393522] input: Power Button as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input2 |
| 12:05.49 | oktr | syslog:Oct 9 07:59:06 debian kernel: [ 7.393530] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF] |
| 12:05.49 | oktr | syslog:Oct 9 07:59:06 debian kernel: [ 7.429304] power_meter ACPI000D:00: Found ACPI power meter. |
| 12:05.49 | oktr | syslog:Oct 9 07:59:06 debian kernel: [ 7.429339] power_meter ACPI000D:00: Ignoring unsafe software power cap! |
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| 12:06.03 | oktr | bezaban |
| 12:06.13 | oktr | sorry for pasting |
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| 12:07.39 | oktr | i think its /etc/default/rcS FSCKFIX=yes |
| 12:07.48 | oktr | that reboot my system right |
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| 12:12.13 | Silicium | ok got it |
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| 12:13.09 | Silicium | why is debian using aes-xts for default encryption? AES-NI encrypts this only with 300MB/s instead of AES-CBC with 1500MB/s security? |
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| 12:14.30 | jelly | Silicium: I think aes-xts was better security-wise. Does your storage backend do more than 300MB/s? |
| 12:15.04 | Silicium | its an SSD which can up to 800MB/s and dont know about the storage controller but should be more as well |
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| 12:15.57 | Silicium | hdparm sais 190MB/s |
| 12:16.01 | Silicium | mhm |
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| 12:16.30 | ksk | another pam question: how would i reject a login, if an auth-module fails? |
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| 12:20.23 | stripe | hi all, trying to set up wireless on debian 7 64bit, have tried lspci to find the wireless chipset so that I can then try and find and download the firmware before installation, any ideas? thanks |
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| 12:21.07 | jelly | stripe: which pci-id [hex:numb] it? |
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| 12:21.22 | jelly | !what's my wireless |
| 12:21.22 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
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| 12:24.47 | stripe | sorry I dont know, will go and try and find out, thanks again |
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| 12:31.42 | Silicium | jelly: backend supports 6gbit, ssd 800MB/s and cryptsetup benchmark said aes-xts 300MB/s |
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| 12:34.17 | oktr | i have a problem such as when the network interface go down and then go up the debian network stay down |
| 12:34.20 | oktr | how can i fix it |
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| 12:35.06 | vipzrx | ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file: |
| 12:35.07 | vipzrx | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvolume.so |
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| 12:35.49 | vipzrx | i use debian sid |
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| 12:36.53 | jelly | Silicium: and apart from that, what are the actual numbers you can get with a single-thread sustained io? |
| 12:38.20 | uovobw | vipzrx: that is not much information to work with...you can also try joining #gstreamer and asking there as well |
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| 12:41.57 | jelly | Silicium: (and more importantly, if your actual workload is not going to generate such sustained IO, you don't have to care at all) |
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| 12:45.22 | vipzrx | thx |
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| 12:47.11 | babilen | vipzrx: Please also ask testing/sid questions in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and check the BTS ( http://bugs.debian.org ) for applicable bugs before you do that. It also typically helps if you tell people what caused that error and what you were trying to achieve. |
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| 12:48.03 | mister_zombie | petn-randall: The GT750M has the optimus chipset? Also, uovobw: That thing would have an integrated intel graphics as well? |
| 12:48.04 | PyTux | i cant add a vpn in gnome connection manager |
| 12:48.13 | PyTux | the button is greyed out why? |
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| 12:48.45 | vipzrx | babilen: thx |
| 12:49.14 | themill | PyTux: have you installed the appropriate network-manager-* packages for this vpn? |
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| 12:51.09 | telmich | good evening |
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| 12:51.42 | telmich | how can I tell apt-get to not ask, if a changed / present file should be overwritten on install? |
| 12:52.02 | Blashyrkh | if i want to grep the string [xyz] how do i do it? |
| 12:52.12 | telmich | I would like it to ignore the change (e.g. "N") by default; motivation: automatic installation of packages using cdist |
| 12:52.17 | anddam | Blashyrkh: grep "\[xyz\]" |
| 12:52.20 | Blashyrkh | thanks |
| 12:52.47 | themill | dpkg: tell telmich about confold |
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| 12:52.59 | anddam | shouldn't aptitude be used nowadays? |
| 12:53.14 | PyTux | themill: ye |
| 12:53.18 | telmich | themill: thanks a lot! |
| 12:53.29 | themill | telmich: note that the prompts come from dpkg not apt; you could also get similar prompts from ucf. |
| 12:53.33 | anddam | themill: oh conf-old, I read that as "con-fold" |
| 12:53.44 | themill | heh |
| 12:54.16 | themill | telmich: You might also get prompts from debconf asking about package configuration. And, of course, ignoring these messages can leave you with configuration files that don't work -- take care |
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| 12:56.47 | telmich | themill: that's clear - but I've to chose any way in an automated environment |
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| 12:57.09 | telmich | and it's likely / should be the case that a changed confic actually comes from cdist |
| 12:57.10 | PyTux | themill: i installed: network-manager-openvpn network-manager-pptp network-manager-vpnc restarted network manager and also did a complete reboot, but its stil greyed out |
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| 12:57.51 | telmich | themill: the question is, how do I pass this from apt-get to dpkg? |
| 12:58.03 | themill | telmich: yeah. You may need to experiment with this a little to work out how to push the new config so that the upgrade works |
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| 12:58.13 | themill | telmich: what dpkg said |
| 12:58.13 | telmich | themill: ack |
| 12:58.27 | telmich | argh, overread a part.. sorry |
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| 13:01.37 | uovobw | mister_zombie: no idea, check the specs |
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| 13:06.01 | mister_zombie | uovobw: It apparently supports optimus. |
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| 13:06.26 | uovobw | mister_zombie: so it will have some intergrated chipset and a discrete nvidia card |
| 13:06.52 | uovobw | mister_zombie: you can use bumblebee, nvidia-glx (and all its stuff) and primusrun to launch 3d apps using the discrete card |
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| 13:11.19 | mister_zombie | I definitely have some reading to do before I buy :P |
| 13:12.02 | uovobw | agreed |
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| 13:48.42 | afsal | when I'm try to format my pendrive it shows Error creating file system: helper exited with exit code 1: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Read-only file system |
| 13:49.00 | afsal | how to solve this ^^^ |
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| 13:50.06 | nosklo | afsal: which tool are you using to format the pendrive? |
| 13:50.31 | tdn | When I run apt-get update new package indeices are downloaded. How do I clear this index/cache so that it seems like apt-get update was never run? |
| 13:50.36 | afsal | nosklo, from right button menu |
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| 13:51.43 | tdn | apt-get clean will only delete cached .deb packages, but not the package index. |
| 13:51.45 | nosklo | afsal: right button menu of which application? I don't get it here |
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| 13:52.35 | afsal | nosklo, disk utility |
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| 13:53.20 | nosklo | tdn: you have to manually delete the indices at /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 13:56.32 | afsal | nosklo, disk utility |
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| 13:59.34 | afsal | nosklo: any idea |
| 13:59.45 | jhutchins | afsal: Did it ask for your password to run as root? |
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| 14:02.56 | afsal | jhutchins: No |
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| 14:07.57 | Stanto | I have a parameter to pass to startx, "-- -nocursor" is it possible to put this in the .xinitrc ? I've searched online and just received all kinds of incoherent gibberish... |
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| 14:29.42 | tdn | nosklo, ok, can I just delete all the files in that folder? |
| 14:29.53 | tdn | nosklo, or can I touch them with an older timestamp? |
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| 14:30.39 | Levitator | Hrm. How come there are no symlinks ending in .so for some libraries? In those cases, ld does not pick them up by name, like -lGL, for example. |
| 14:30.45 | Sevet | tdn: just delete them |
| 14:31.15 | Levitator | There's libGL.so.1, but not libGL.so. Which differs from some of the other libs. |
| 14:32.23 | Levitator | ldconfig -v does not create the links, etiher. |
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| 14:32.57 | icjs | Stanto, it seems so. -nocursor is mentioned in "man Xserver", and the .xinitrc is used by xinit which initializes the X server |
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| 14:33.09 | icjs | try it and see what happens? |
| 14:33.34 | Guest17898 | how can i switch from systemvinit to upstart |
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| 14:34.22 | Guest17898 | i confed start progs via systemvinit but heard that debian switched a while ago to upstart |
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| 14:35.50 | mase | hi! i have some problems with the cups server on wheezy. i am printing one page over network, and a second page does not work. the state is "sending data to printer". i have to turn off the printer and delete the job to get one site working again. it is a canon ip4500 usb printer. tested with gutenprint and turboprint driver. worked fine with squeeze. |
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| 14:37.08 | Stanto | icjs .. your reply doesnt make much sense |
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| 14:41.13 | git-shell | Hello everyone, I'm trying to do mount.cifs and I get permission denied, now on the gui, If I navigate through the folders, using the same username and password, it's working, any idea? |
| 14:42.01 | Guest17898 | i wanted to switch to 'upstart' and it want to remove systemvinit (?!) i thought debian switched to it 2009 completly.. |
| 14:42.11 | uovobw | git-shell: try with sec=ntlm as a mount option |
| 14:42.20 | Guest17898 | any got experience with that? |
| 14:43.37 | git-shell | uovobw: tried that, same thing |
| 14:43.44 | git-shell | uovobw: mount.cifs //share/folder /mnt/test/ -o username=user,password=pass,sec=ntlm |
| 14:44.15 | git-shell | It's a windows share folder just for the record that I'm trying to mount |
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| 14:45.56 | uovobw | git-shell: mount -t cifs -o ....,sec=ntlm,domain=THEDOMAIN //blablabla/share /mount/point |
| 14:46.02 | uovobw | try that plz |
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| 14:47.37 | git-shell | same result |
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| 14:49.04 | uovobw | open it with the graphical thing and issue a mount command to see the options it sends |
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| 14:49.26 | git-shell | can you explain me how do I do that please? I got KDE as my gui |
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| 14:49.43 | Guest17898 | this is #debian here or? |
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| 14:50.35 | uovobw | Guest17898: it is #debian here :) |
| 14:50.49 | sobczyk | hi, why dpkg-shlibdeps shows warning for some libraries not found, but errors for other? |
| 14:51.01 | uovobw | git-shell: i'd say open the share in a window to take a look around and while you are at it issue a "mount" command from root |
| 14:51.24 | uovobw | git-shell: to see the options it passed to the mount command (assuming it mounted it somewhere, of course) |
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| 14:52.00 | AlexRussia | Sorry, debian is nothing of the kind? http://pastebin.com/yxyKzKmb |
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| 14:52.46 | Guest17898 | so so can anybody explain me this http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Debian-switches-to-Upstart-743279.html |
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| 14:53.06 | Guest17898 | 'Debian switches to upstart 2009' |
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| 14:53.26 | Guest17898 | i got wheezy releases >2009 |
| 14:53.33 | Guest17898 | and im not on upstart |
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| 14:53.41 | Guest17898 | i need to switch manually |
| 14:53.47 | icjs | git-shell, the "permission denied" might be because the user you're issuing the command as cannout use /mnt/foo as a mount mount |
| 14:53.54 | icjs | try somewhere in /tmp |
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| 14:54.12 | afsal_ | when formatting pendrive shows: Error creating file system: helper exited with exit code 1: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Read-only file system |
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| 14:54.43 | icjs | afsal_, check for a read-only pin or switch on the usb-drive |
| 14:54.47 | Guest17898 | and my question is what to i need to keep attention of to not break my startup item which i confed on sys-rc-conf |
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| 14:55.34 | afsal_ | icjs: no it is a scandisk pendrive |
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| 14:57.19 | afsal_ | icjs: no it is a scandisk cruzer edge 4gb pendrive |
| 14:57.22 | swick | why is there no mumble in jessie? |
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| 14:57.42 | icjs | Guest17898, that news item is misleading. i have a squeeze install here. upstart is a package available but not installed. it defaulted to sysv-init |
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| 14:58.11 | icjs | afsal_, type mount and paste here the line that corresp[onds to your pendrive |
| 14:58.31 | mumpitzel | Guest17898: easy. debian never switched to upstart. remember: squeeze is oldstable |
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| 14:59.18 | Ontological | Hey guys! I'm on debian 7 and I've setup dhcp. It's working perfectly for my Linux and Mac machines, but I plugged a Windows 7 machine into the LAN and Windows 7 never retrieves an IP address. I've tcpdump'd ports 67,68 and I see that the dhcp server rx's a dhcp request and tx's an ip, but Windows doesn't like it for some reason. Any suggestions? |
| 14:59.34 | afsal_ | mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:00.21 | icjs | afsal_, no i mean type "mount" - it will output all mounted filesystems. paste the line that mentions your pendrive |
| 15:00.43 | icjs | Ontological, is the win 7 system set tp accept an IP from DHCP? |
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| 15:01.22 | afsal_ | icjs, sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 15:01.23 | afsal_ | proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 15:01.23 | afsal_ | udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=494257,mode=755) |
| 15:01.23 | afsal_ | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000) |
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| 15:01.33 | Ontological | icjs: Yes. I tried with a known-to-be-working LAN cable on two different Windows machines (Win 7 and Win 8). Both of the Windows machines are set up for DHCP. |
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| 15:02.24 | icjs | i told him one line *sigh* |
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| 15:03.10 | afsal_ | icjs sorry |
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| 15:03.54 | afsal_ | icjs, paste sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
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| 15:04.14 | icjs | Ontological, are the nics enabled in windows? does it say "limited connectivity" or some such? |
| 15:04.15 | afsal_ | icjs, how i paste all lines here??? |
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| 15:04.57 | Ontological | icjs: The Windows machines fall-back to 169 address, which, to my understanding, means they never rx an IP over DHCP |
| 15:05.01 | icjs | afsal_, use a pastebin http://pastebin.com/ and then paste the link it generates here |
| 15:06.16 | icjs | Ontological, whats the network topology? win pc's connected to a switch which the debains erver is connected to? |
| 15:06.17 | afsal_ | icjs here http://pastebin.com/gR2iS4uT |
| 15:07.04 | Ontological | (Windows[-] || Mac[+] || Linux[+]) => SWITCH => Gateway(DHCP) icjs |
| 15:07.32 | icjs | Ontological, is it a "dumb" switch or is it capable of VLANs? |
| 15:08.17 | Ontological | It's pretty dumb. I believe it prevent's duplicate links or loops, but it's really dumb in the sense that I have no way of configuring it or accessing it (it doesn't get an IP itself) |
| 15:08.22 | Ontological | icjs: ^ |
| 15:08.22 | icjs | afsal_, i dont see your pendrive mounted. can you type "dmesg" and do another pastebin of the last 100 lines or so? |
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| 15:09.15 | icjs | Ontological, reperat test by unplugging mac (or whatever pc you're not using right now) and plugin win pc, does it it get dhcp ip? |
| 15:09.28 | icjs | to network port on switch i mean |
| 15:09.55 | afsal_ | icjs: here mount result http://pastebin.com/c65cSpx8 |
| 15:10.00 | Ontological | That's exactly what I am doing, icjs. I plug in the Mac. The Mac works. I unplug the Mac and, using the same cable, I plug in the Win. Nogo ;_; |
| 15:10.30 | Ontological | icjs: This is also true when I try to plug in a Netgear router in the stead of the Win machine |
| 15:10.42 | Ontological | So, Netgear and Windows hate my DHCP, but Linux and Mac do just fine |
| 15:10.43 | icjs | Ontological, it might be your switch is buffering the MAC address of the Mac. |
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| 15:11.07 | wjtaylor | I installed sensors and it desplays in a gnome applet. I can see temps for cores1-4, my hdds, and some other sensors. How do I find out what the other sensors are and why are my cores listed 2x? |
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| 15:11.24 | wjtaylor | the cores are different, as well |
| 15:11.28 | Ontological | So, icjs, you're suggesting a quick switch reboot between switching the cable between machines? |
| 15:11.30 | icjs | Ontological, is your DHCPd configured to a wide range? nothing silly like 2 IPs by mistake? |
| 15:11.46 | icjs | ok, you said it sends the IPs by sniffinf the wire |
| 15:11.59 | icjs | Ontological, worth a try yes |
| 15:12.01 | Ontological | icjs: DHCP is set up for a wide range, well over the number of machines ever connected to the LAN |
| 15:12.07 | icjs | wait 30 secos then turn on |
| 15:12.29 | swick | how can one install mumble on debian testing? |
| 15:12.44 | afsal_ | icjs: here mount result http://pastebin.com/c65cSpx8 |
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| 15:13.16 | Ontological | icjs: Thanks so much for the suggestions. I'll be able to do some more testing in a bit and I'll let you know if it's working |
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| 15:13.46 | queretaro | Is there a bug with the netinst image of the testing branch? It always get stuck while "Detecting network interfaces..." |
| 15:14.45 | icjs | afsal_, what does "stat /media/JAYAN" produce? pastebin please |
| 15:15.00 | mumpitzel | queretaro: there are tons. do not use testing installer for installing debian |
| 15:15.27 | abrotman | queretaro: quite likely, it's in development |
| 15:15.33 | erm3nda | Hi. Im stucked into the vhost of Debian 7 + Apache2.22.2. I set some "enabled-sites", but all sites point browser to default www DocumentRoot. Suggestions? |
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| 15:16.13 | afsal_ | icjs: here http://pastebin.com/CEJB2se4 |
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| 15:18.04 | icjs | erm3nda, have you double-checled a different documentroot exists for all vhosts and have you restarted apache? |
| 15:18.04 | afsal_ | icjs: here stat result http://pastebin.com/CEJB2se4 |
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| 15:18.35 | icjs | afsal_, do you have sudo or root access on that pc? |
| 15:18.47 | afsal_ | icjs : yes |
| 15:20.27 | icjs | afsal_, unplug pendrive, as root: chmod 0777 /media/JAYAN. plugin pendrive. mount it. what happens now? |
| 15:21.26 | icjs | afsal_, what debian version are you using? |
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| 15:22.03 | icjs | afsal_, pastebin the /etc/fstab also please |
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| 15:23.10 | ksk | hey guys |
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| 15:23.55 | ksk | where would i look up which types of hashes are allowed in /etc/shadow for a specific debian release? (actually: it seems md5 hashes are not working in wheezy, but in squeeze and testing - can anyone copy that? ) |
| 15:23.58 | somiaj | queretaro: the suggest way to install testing is install stable then dist-upgrade to testing. (: |
| 15:24.30 | uovobw | ksk: md5 hashes are very very unsafe and generally a bad idea... |
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| 15:24.39 | afsal_ | icjs: can't do that because drive is unpluged so there is no directory found in /media |
| 15:24.47 | ksk | uovobw: thats not what i asked, but thanks. |
| 15:24.48 | queretaro | makes sense somiaj ;-) |
| 15:25.25 | afsal_ | icjs: can't do that because drive is unpluged so there is no directory found in /media but here is the /etc/fstab http://pastebin.com/94fjB5PG |
| 15:25.47 | uovobw | ksk: ok, so "no idea, sorry" |
| 15:27.11 | icjs | afsal_, can you pastebin what dmesg says when you plug in the usb? just the last 50 lines or so which mentions the usb device? |
| 15:27.34 | icjs | afsal_, do you want to access the data on it or just partition it toe xt4 or something? |
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| 15:29.01 | afsal_ | icjs, i want format it or delete the files inside it |
| 15:29.09 | icjs | afsal_, i have to go. hopefully someone else can help. it nromally "just works". give the pc a reboot and try again or something. |
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| 15:29.48 | afsal_ | icjs: plz look dmesg too , http://pastebin.com/2yi454hU |
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| 15:30.23 | afsal_ | icjs: ok thanks |
| 15:31.01 | icjs | damn, in dmesg it said "[ 6593.923814] sd 22:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on" |
| 15:31.10 | icjs | pretty sure its a hardware switch somewhere |
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| 16:12.32 | rgr | upgrading from wheezy to testing/jessie seems a no go using aptitude. |
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| 16:13.18 | jelly | rgr: yeah... did you read anywhere to use aptitude for that? |
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| 16:15.45 | rgr | no, but I didnt read anywhere not to. |
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| 16:15.52 | fruitFly | i am my friends house and my linux mint's internet connectivity keeps timing out (but still says it's connected), I installed debian and the wireless was working once but did the same thing, other times I can't even find the access point (maybe I need wpasupplicant or something? idk, I was missing wifi firmware during install and then added it after install but still am reviving problems). I tried xubuntu on a live disk and the same |
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| 16:16.00 | rgr | what should I be doing? |
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| 16:16.28 | fruitFly | I just a linux distro that's wifi works out the box on this router so I can download an open source video editor to get the word out. |
| 16:16.37 | jelly | rgr: use apt-get? |
| 16:16.47 | rgr | what word out? What are you talking about? |
| 16:16.50 | rgr | k |
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| 16:17.57 | babilen | fruitFly: Which adaptor is in that box? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) -- Also see "/msg dpkg what's my wireless" |
| 16:19.02 | fruitFly | babilen: i'm not 100% sure as I am on my windows partition now as it's the only one I can stay connected with, but during debian install it said I was missing "rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" |
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| 16:19.54 | babilen | fruitFly: Could you check? I am sure that Windows is capable of providing you hardware information too. I would, preferably, require the PCIID of the device. |
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| 16:20.08 | babilen | fruitFly: You might want to ask in ##windows on how to achieve that. |
| 16:20.11 | jelly | it's hidden in the depths of device manager |
| 16:20.33 | jelly | but lspci -nn works, too |
| 16:20.52 | fruitFly | jelly: babilen looking in device manager quick |
| 16:21.15 | fruitFly | babilen: jelly so we're trying to figure out my wirless nic type? |
| 16:21.21 | babilen | yes |
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| 16:22.44 | fruitFly | babilen: jelly Realtek RTL8188CE Wireless LAN 802.11n PCI-E NIC |
| 16:22.50 | fruitFly | is what it says |
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| 16:23.44 | fruitFly | babilen: jelly I didn't have problems at the last 2 residencies I was staying, just nwo |
| 16:23.46 | fruitFly | now* |
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| 16:24.02 | rgr | jelly: yeah that works. wierd. didnt think such a big difference. nearly all docs just say aptitude has a term ui if required. |
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| 16:24.27 | Sevet | fruitFly: Device Manager -> Network Adapters -> double click on yours... Details tab... Hardware IDs on the dropdown |
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| 16:24.53 | Sevet | what's ???? in PCI\VEN_????&DEV_???? |
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| 16:26.16 | fruitFly | Sevet: ok 1 sec let me check! |
| 16:26.26 | mackwerk_ | Hello! What is the format of the ssh configuration file called? If it is called anything :p |
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| 16:27.10 | Sevet | fruitFly: that's the pciid babilen asked for... but given your description read https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 16:27.14 | Sevet | you'll want the firmware-realtek package |
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| 16:27.34 | fruitFly | Sevet: http://pastie.org/8389883 |
| 16:27.45 | rgr | mackwerk: called or format? |
| 16:27.46 | sary | mackwerk_: in /etc/ssh dir . |
| 16:28.02 | rgr | nope. |
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| 16:28.11 | fruitFly | Sevet: I installed a realtek package, soon tell you which one exactly. |
| 16:28.15 | rgr | more likely to want ~/.ssh/config |
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| 16:28.26 | mackwerk_ | rgr: well the name of the format/syntax I guess, like there's json and yaml syntax etc |
| 16:28.34 | rgr | anyone needing to ask that question prior googling wont have root access. |
| 16:28.49 | fruitFly | Sevet: i installed this one "firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb" |
| 16:28.51 | rgr | mackwerk: what? Its not a data interchange protocol. |
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| 16:29.15 | rgr | the ssh config file is well documented. |
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| 16:30.17 | zophy | hi |
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| 16:30.24 | sary | hi |
| 16:30.27 | socomm | hey ho |
| 16:30.59 | mackwerk_ | rgr: I couldn't find any info on the syntax from googling around real quick, but with syntax I mean you can have different syntaxes on different configuration files. Some use yaml, some use python others use json etc |
| 16:31.15 | Sevet | fruitFly: from the filename it's looking for (rtl8192cfw.bin) i suggest you look at the 'RTL8192U-based devices only: firmware is required to be manually supplied' part of the wiki page |
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| 16:32.04 | rgr | I have no idea what you're talking about. Its syntax is the documented syntax for that config file. A pure ascii text file with ssh config options on a line by line basis. |
| 16:32.14 | Sevet | mackwerk: it's it's own syntax |
| 16:32.16 | sary | fruitFly: if you add 'contrib non-free' to your sources.list you can install it then with apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-realtek #see https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 16:32.42 | fruitFly | Sevet: manually supplied? i will look at the 8192U, 1 sec |
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| 16:33.32 | fruitFly | sary: sary how do I do that? I don't have an ethernet here so I have to gather all the information before I walk to the access point |
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| 16:34.30 | fruitFly | Sevet: which 8192 to look at? and why? i was missing realtekwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin it said |
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| 16:35.26 | C_coded_HAL_386 | Whats the current distro |
| 16:35.54 | C_coded_HAL_386 | any new features? |
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| 16:36.15 | mtn | C_coded_HAL_386: you mean what is stable debian? it is called wheezy. |
| 16:36.21 | socomm | C_coded_HAL_386: google not reachable from your computer? |
| 16:36.37 | C_coded_HAL_386 | thanks |
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| 16:36.47 | C_coded_HAL_386 | stable |
| 16:36.57 | Sevet | fruitFly: nevermind, rtl8192cfw.bin is a file in the firmware-realtek package... which suggests it isn't installed |
| 16:37.05 | Sevet | dpkg -l firmware-realtek |
| 16:37.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching firmware-realtek |
| 16:37.08 | sary | fruitFly: will you could use the unofficial debian wheezy images with the firmware bloobs loadded . |
| 16:37.12 | mtn | C_coded_HAL_386: surprisingly, the debian website has a lot of info about debian |
| 16:37.18 | Sevet | run that command ^^ |
| 16:37.36 | C_coded_HAL_386 | 7.O |
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| 16:39.09 | fruitFly | sary: i tried that |
| 16:39.16 | fruitFly | sary: same firmware missing message |
| 16:40.04 | erm3nda | icjs: sorry, dont see your response |
| 16:40.29 | erm3nda | yes, i check, when document is not present it warns about |
| 16:40.36 | fruitFly | Sevet: i'm confused? I installed base debiand and installed "firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb" I found the access point, but it kept on timing out, other times I've load up my machine and not found it (only a few times) maybe it would have discovered it if I waited longer, but my gut feeling is it wouldn't |
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| 16:40.58 | pie_ | im forrowing this guide http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/jails-application.html , but for ln -s ../s/usr-local usr/local, ln -s ../s/usr-X11R6 usr/X11R6, and ln -s ../../s/distfiles usr/ports/distfiles i get ln: urs/local doesnt exist and similar |
| 16:41.08 | fruitFly | sary: some guys here thought there might be a bug in the installer or that it's indeed missing |
| 16:41.16 | Sevet | fruitFly: is firmware-realtek installed correctly ('dpkg -l firmware-realtek' should indicate 'ii' status), and does /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin exist? |
| 16:41.17 | erm3nda | al vhost are readed. but, the DocumentRoot loaded is also (checked manually discarding ony by one) the first they read. Usually the 000- named, default too |
| 16:41.33 | erm3nda | if i delete theese two, it loads the next defined into any vhost file |
| 16:41.48 | fruitFly | Sevet: I think it is, but when I load up my deb distro I can check again. I'm pretty damn sure it installed properly. |
| 16:41.50 | erm3nda | so, i can say my problem is about the DocumentRoot definition |
| 16:42.26 | erm3nda | hummm |
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| 16:42.52 | Sevet | fruitFly: please do check... that file is the one it's looking for, and that's its full path. it does exist in that package. |
| 16:43.01 | sary | fruitFly: that's weird! |
| 16:43.11 | erm3nda | mumpitzel: hey, when i see you it get surprised that youre'in the #httpd channel. Later i see that im not in that channel, its the #debian one! heheeh |
| 16:43.37 | erm3nda | i talk a long with some in #httpd channe. No good people here :( |
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| 16:44.10 | erm3nda | are more focuse into discuss about if pepe.com is not an url, its a hostname than resolv the real problem... weird help... |
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| 16:44.28 | erm3nda | anyone here with a debian 7 and apache2.22.2 ?? |
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| 16:45.33 | pie_ | agh wron gchennel again |
| 16:45.38 | pie_ | sorry bout that |
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| 16:53.08 | jello | Hello, is there a user-level faq on getting pulseaudio to work? i'm running debian sid and now that pa is installed i can't get any sound from any application |
| 16:53.17 | ksk | where would i look up which types of hashes are allowed in /etc/shadow for a specific debian release? (actually: it seems md5 hashes are not working in wheezy, but in squeeze and testing - can anyone copy that? ) |
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| 16:55.41 | rwp | ksk, Look at crypt(3) man page for the password schemes. |
| 16:55.43 | jello | ksk: man 3 crypt |
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| 16:56.00 | rwp | ksk, I am using md5 passwords in wheezy 7 fine for me. |
| 16:56.01 | ksk | i dont have that one - what package does it come from? or how do i find that out?^^ |
| 16:56.03 | mtn | jello: usually pulseaudio just works, maybe this has something to do with sid? #debian-next over on oftc. |
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| 16:56.16 | ksk | rwp: ah okay.. |
| 16:56.18 | rwp | ksk, "man 3 crypt" |
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| 16:56.23 | ksk | i dont have that manpage |
| 16:56.37 | jello | mtn: i doubt it, i just have no output devices (except for dummy) |
| 16:56.54 | ksk | where does it come from (which package) |
| 16:57.09 | rwp | ksk, apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 16:57.20 | ksk | thanks |
| 16:57.25 | mtn | jello: doesn't sound like a pulseaudio problem. have you looked at alsamixer? |
| 16:57.57 | jello | mtn: it just shows the one single pulseaudio control set to max, unmuted |
| 16:57.58 | rwp | ksk, man pages online: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=crypt&apropos=0&sektion=3&manpath=Debian+7.0+wheezy&format=html&locale=en |
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| 16:58.18 | mtn | jello: no other devices you can choose in alsamixer? |
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| 16:58.47 | jello | mtn: that comes up as the default |
| 16:58.48 | sharky | minor thing but still, Debian is on 2nd place on http://distrowatch.com/ . Well deserved in my opinion. Rock on Debian :D |
| 16:58.52 | mtn | jello: did you mention if sound worked before pulse was installed? |
| 16:59.08 | jello | mtn: yes, it does |
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| 16:59.27 | mtn | jello: ok, out of ideas :) |
| 16:59.37 | jello | thanks anyways... |
| 16:59.39 | ksk | rwp: thanks again |
| 17:00.10 | sharky | and 1st and 3rd and many more are debian-based :D |
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| 17:08.26 | ksk | okay, i made sure, md5 hashes work in debian 7 |
| 17:09.10 | ksk | but, could you image a reason a "third party password" i get in form of "$1$salt$secret" does work on squeeze and unstable, but not on wheezy? :X thats a kinda confusing problem |
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| 17:15.58 | jelly-home | ksk: huh, I might've seen that once or twice but discarded it as operator error |
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| 17:16.53 | jelly-home | in my case, generated hash with mkpasswd on wheezy (when it was testing) did not work on RHEL5 |
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| 17:19.58 | fruitFly | sevet how exactly do I type the command for ""firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb"? |
| 17:20.17 | fruitFly | sevet to determine if I have it? |
| 17:20.33 | dondelelcaro | fruitFly: dpkg -l firmware-realtek; will tell you |
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| 17:22.16 | Soru | Hello. When I start my Debian server and I do ifconfig, it shows only "loopback" but the eth2 not. I have to do ifconfig eth2 up and then ifconfig eth2 x.x.x.x |
| 17:22.35 | Soru | And I can control it by ssh but when I do a ping |
| 17:22.37 | Soru | it answers |
| 17:22.43 | Soru | unknown host |
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| 17:22.48 | Soru | any ideas? |
| 17:23.16 | fruitFly | dondelelcaro: so I don't have to put the exact name of the package ""firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb"? |
| 17:23.35 | fruitFly | just "dpkg -l firmware-realtek" dondelelcaro |
| 17:23.39 | fruitFly | ? |
| 17:23.49 | mtn | fruitFly: try it and see? |
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| 17:25.36 | bezaban | Soru: if your interface is not in /etc/network/interfaces, add it there |
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| 17:26.16 | Soru | bezaban: I forgot to say that, my interfaces file is correct |
| 17:26.26 | bezaban | does it have auto prepended? |
| 17:26.56 | fruitFly | mtn: i gotta close everything and switch partitions :| |
| 17:27.02 | bezaban | ie. does it say auto eth2 |
| 17:27.24 | Soru | Yes bezaban |
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| 17:27.34 | bezaban | if not then /etc/init.d/networking might not be starting in your current runlevel |
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| 17:27.57 | mtn | fruitFly: he gave you a good command. you might as well trust him if you are asking for help from him ;) |
| 17:28.04 | Soru | bezaban: How I can check this, please? |
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| 17:31.21 | fruitFly | mtn: ay yay Capn' *salue*! |
| 17:31.27 | fruitFly | salute* |
| 17:32.09 | bezaban | Soru: I would have thought there should have been a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ to the networking script, but I just realized my system doesn't have one :P |
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| 17:33.00 | Soru | :( |
| 17:33.04 | maxyz | bezaban: It's either on /etc/rcS.d or in /etc/runlevel.conf |
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| 17:35.24 | maxyz | Soru: networking is started in the runlevel S, so its started always, unless you remove it. |
| 17:35.36 | bezaban | aha! thanks |
| 17:35.56 | Soru | ah ok thanks |
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| 17:36.42 | bezaban | Soru: so look for a script in /etc/rcS.d/SXXnetworking |
| 17:36.49 | bezaban | or a link rather |
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| 17:38.10 | Soru | One sec! |
| 17:38.42 | bezaban | Soru: if that's there, you can double check that no settings have been set in /etc/default/networking that will prevent it to go up. If not I'm tempted to think your /etc/network/interfaces might not be correct. |
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| 17:40.56 | bezaban | seeing as it actually brings up loopback |
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| 17:41.40 | Soru | bezaban: It's on /etc/rcS.d/13networking |
| 17:41.54 | Soru | bezaban: It's on /etc/rcS.d/S13networking |
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| 17:46.07 | cheri | hi I am looking for a opensource bandwidth monitoring application I appreciate your suggestions |
| 17:46.22 | dondelelcaro | cheri: I'd suggest munin or similar, but there are other options like ntop and the like |
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| 17:47.12 | cheri | I am not looking for the command line tools apps that can generate rrd graphs |
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| 17:47.22 | bezaban | Soru: then I'm not sure I'm afraid |
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| 17:47.43 | cheri | oh munin provides it |
| 17:48.31 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/54444/ |
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| 17:51.56 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:52.42 | DexterF | can I playback audio from another box to debian with alsa only (no pulse or other sound server)? |
| 17:53.14 | Soru | bezaban: No proble, thanks. iI will probably install again because I can't find any help about. I don't know any site to ask and so |
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| 17:59.08 | fishcooker | do i have the right driver for these devices if http://paste.debian.net/54444/? |
| 17:59.58 | GNU\colossus | fishcooker, if you mean for your serial port(s), then yes, that looks fine |
| 18:00.04 | petern_ | If they are actual serial ports, yeah, probably. |
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| 18:02.04 | fishcooker | yes i do have because on 12.04 i can get the output from those serial |
| 18:02.12 | fishcooker | oops |
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| 18:24.12 | lxsameer | hey guys, i'm trying to cat a file (which i'm sure that it exists) but i get "no such file or directory error" here is a strace from my cat command, where is the problem http://dpaste.com/1411164/ ? |
| 18:24.32 | somiaj | lxsameer: ls -l /path/to/file -- do you not have read access to the file? |
| 18:24.36 | kukac | Hi, i have some problems with font rendering: the width of the fonts are different in qt and gtk applications. I am using a kde desktop and the fonts width in gtk apps is larger then in qt. How can I change that? |
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| 18:24.50 | somiaj | lxsameer: it could also be do you not have execute/read access to a directory below that file? |
| 18:25.40 | lxsameer | somiaj: permission are fine |
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| 18:26.01 | somiaj | lxsameer: well that paste to me isn't clear what file is not existant. |
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| 18:26.19 | somiaj | lxsameer: I see your ld linkers complaining about the file not cat, wonder why that is. |
| 18:26.43 | somiaj | so it could be some other file the linkers need is not being found. |
| 18:26.44 | kukac | an other problem: after logging in, the kde desktop remains irresponsive, only the mouse cursor moves, but nothing else. I have to restart kdm with /etc/init.d/kdm restart to make it alive. What would be the cause of this problem? |
| 18:27.06 | lxsameer | somiaj: it drives me crazy |
| 18:27.29 | somiaj | kukac: gtk and qt configure their fonts/theme differentally. You will need to configure them to say use the same font/size. |
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| 18:28.01 | kukac | somiaj: I did, but in gtk, it is larger for some reason :( |
| 18:28.29 | somiaj | kukac: there are some apps lke gtk-chtheme and qt4-qtconfig you can use, or you can try to modify the config files in $HOME |
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| 18:28.56 | somiaj | lxsameer: yea looks annoying, but from that paste it seems to me something else is missing but I cannot tell what. |
| 18:29.01 | kukac | somiaj: I set in kde to use the gtk theme engine, but the difference remains... |
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| 18:30.27 | somiaj | kukac: would setting the font one point smaller in one of the configs make it look closer? |
| 18:30.55 | somiaj | the qt use gtk theme engine isn't perfect, my experience is there will always be slight differences due to qt and gtk being different |
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| 18:31.09 | somiaj | for the most part I just don't use qt apps so I don't notice it |
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| 18:33.54 | kukac | somiaj: yes, that way they are similar, it is a good workaround. I hoped that there is solution that permits the use of the same font size. But it works... |
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| 18:51.36 | nick__ | ok, Windows 7 host, running virtualbox, Debian installed on virtual machine (started with base system only and added openbox, icedove, java, and a few other things I wanted to use) - seems to be working pretty good except 1 annoying problem. There are some websites that when I try to go to them Iceweasel closes, other sites work just fine. Tried running iceweasel in safe mode and the only output that was sent to terminal when it force closed |
| 18:51.36 | nick__ | was "segmentation fault" any ideas? |
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| 18:53.45 | D|nA | what's your iceweasel version |
| 18:54.01 | nick__ | 3.5.16 |
| 18:54.15 | D|nA | and what version of debian you run?? |
| 18:54.46 | D|nA | probably debian squeeze |
| 18:54.49 | nick__ | 6.0.7 |
| 18:54.57 | D|nA | ok put debian-backports |
| 18:55.06 | D|nA | and upgrade iceweasel to ver10 |
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| 18:56.00 | D|nA | the other thing you could do is to install debian wheezy xfce or lmde since it's in a vbox |
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| 18:56.28 | lazarus477 | Installing Debian: Do I need all DVDs or is it enough that I grab Disc 1? What do the other discs in the set contain? |
| 18:56.45 | D|nA | CD1 is enough |
| 18:57.02 | nick__ | lazarus477: get the netinst iso if you have a constant internet connection, it's the smallest download and grabs everything else it needs as it installs |
| 18:57.24 | D|nA | if you have a good internet connection then yes, netinst |
| 18:57.27 | D|nA | if not, cd1 |
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| 18:58.41 | nick__ | D|nA: could I maybe just do a dist-upgrade and solve it? |
| 18:59.03 | lazarus477 | nick__: I plan on making several installs "Virtual Machines" and I need to conserve bandwidth. I know about Netinst, used it many times in the past. |
| 18:59.29 | lazarus477 | nick__: Can I install using DVD 1 and have the rest grabbed from online repos? |
| 18:59.39 | D|nA | nick__, doing a dist-upgrade it won't change a thing without changing sources.list |
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| 19:00.04 | D|nA | lazarus477, CD/DVD1 is enough |
| 19:00.15 | D|nA | later you can install whatever you want/need |
| 19:00.21 | nick__ | lazarus477: yes you can install from DVD1 and then it will still change to use online repos after install and get whatever else you want or need |
| 19:00.37 | lazarus477 | D|nA: Thank you. Grabbing it already :-) |
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| 19:04.10 | zykotic10 | lazarus477: you might be interested in apt-cacher-ng (if you have a box you could use as a server) |
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| 19:06.01 | nick__ | zykotic10: hmmmm, could he set up a vm to be the apt server? |
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| 19:11.38 | lazarus477 | zykotic10: Yes I have a file server here, thanks for the tip. |
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| 19:13.19 | pkug | hi there, is fwbuilder dead ? |
| 19:13.49 | Walex2 | pkug: sometimes there is not much to add to a program that works... |
| 19:14.14 | pkug | mhm, is there a community for it ? |
| 19:14.18 | zykotic10 | nick__: sure, if that VM will be running. |
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| 19:14.43 | pkug | Walex2: looks like last messages in mailing lists date for more than few years |
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| 19:15.14 | rryoumaa | mozilla.debian.net suggests installing pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring, and then says you might want to check the trust path. however, if that keyring is already in wheezy, and installing it checks its signature, isn't checking the trust path a little redundant? |
| 19:16.00 | rryoumaa | what i mean is, you are already trusting the debian keyring for all other packages, so why not trust it for transitive application of the debian mozilla keyring? |
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| 19:18.46 | Chrys0pras3 | Hey |
| 19:19.20 | Walex2 | pkug: latest blog post is 2011, looking at the site |
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| 19:19.35 | Chrys0pras3 | How can I copy all text in a terminal to clipboard, preferrably only using the keyboard? |
| 19:19.38 | orfix | Hi all, I just installed Debian 7.1 but vimperator 3.3-2 seems to be completely broken... no tab completion, when typing F there's no numbers that shows up on the webpage, and always get the following error: "TypeError: can't wrap XML objects", any idea ? Thank you. |
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| 19:20.28 | Walex2 | pkug: here the last update is fairly recent: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fwbuilder/ |
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| 19:21.47 | Walex2 | pkug: and the latest sources 'fwbuilder-5.1.0.3599' are dated 2012-03-23 |
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| 19:22.31 | pkug | lead developers suspended the development activity :\ |
| 19:22.50 | Walex2 | pkug: it may well be it does not need a lot of development... |
| 19:24.06 | pkug | Walex2: right.. i just wanted to inquiry about possibilities of developing web frontend and would that be feasible |
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| 19:25.02 | musca | Chrys0pras3: xclip can do that in biderectional mode. |
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| 19:25.23 | Walex2 | pkug: probably, but what;s the point? Its GUI is pretty decent, and it is the main reason it exists... |
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| 19:26.45 | pkug | Walex2: right, but it's one user and bound to one maching, if there was a web frontend then it'd be possible to use the same configuration and features for multiple firewall admins. |
| 19:26.54 | somiaj | orfix: you are using the firefox plugin vs the actual browser right? |
| 19:26.55 | pkug | machine* |
| 19:27.47 | orfix | somiaj: I installed via aptitude 'sudo aptitude install iceweasel-vimperator" |
| 19:28.13 | somiaj | orfix: what version of iceweasel are you using? the 17esr from wheezy or the newer version from backports? |
| 19:28.31 | orfix | somiaj: 17.0.9 |
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| 19:28.57 | somiaj | orfix: well it should just work, I see this as a bug. It may have crept in due to wheezy changing from 10esr to 17esr right after the release |
| 19:28.58 | pkug | Walex2: in other words i was aiming for something like http://www.firelet.net/ but with a mature backend such as libfwbuilder (part of fwbuilder) provides, i think i'd be awesome to have such |
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| 19:29.43 | somiaj | orfix: bingo, that is exactly what the issue is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711499 |
| 19:29.45 | orfix | somiaj: what's your iceweasel and vimperator versions ? |
| 19:30.02 | somiaj | orfix: not sure if there is a fix there. You may have to install vimperator from another source if that bug report has no solutions |
| 19:30.14 | somiaj | orfix: I don't use either. |
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| 19:31.56 | orfix | somiaj: yep, this is exactly what I am experiencing ! |
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| 19:32.03 | orfix | somiaj: "Installing the 3.7.1-1 package from jessie fixed all the issues I was |
| 19:32.09 | orfix | experiencing" |
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| 19:32.39 | orfix | I'll try that... I guess |
| 19:32.53 | orfix | somiaj: Thank you. |
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| 19:33.02 | Chrys0pras3 | musca: thanks, but what if xserver isn't running and I want to grab all text in the tty and copy it |
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| 19:36.14 | musca | !tee |
| 19:36.14 | dpkg | methinks tee is a utility that puts a T-junction in a shell pipeline. Instead of having the output go only from one step of the pipeline to the next, you can duplicate the output to a file e.g. "grep foo /tmp/bar | wc -l" vs "grep foo /tmp/bar | tee output.log | wc -l". |
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| 19:44.18 | Chrys0pras3 | musca: is there a way to copy the tty buffer to a file? |
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| 19:48.40 | sary | if anyone running jessie, please pastbin your /etc/apt/sources.list ! thanks. |
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| 19:52.58 | dondelelcaro | !sources.list |
| 19:52.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:53.25 | dondelelcaro | sary: a jessie sources.list just looks like that with s/wheezy/jessie/ |
| 19:53.49 | dondelelcaro | (though there isn't a jessie-updates or jessie/updates repository) |
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| 19:55.07 | grammoboy2 | how can i see if my laptop supports 64bit_ |
| 19:55.32 | grammoboy2 | atm 686 |
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| 19:57.27 | dondelelcaro | grammoboy2: if under flags you see lm (long mode), it supports 64bit |
| 19:57.40 | sary | dondelelcaro: i've upgradted from wheezy to jessie, so i was cheking http://sprunge.us/EUbJ |
| 19:58.15 | grammoboy2 | dondelelcaro, flags? |
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| 19:58.19 | sary | grammoboy2: you'd run grep flags /proc/cpuinfo , and follow what dondelelcaro said. |
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| 20:00.08 | grammoboy2 | dondelelcaro, it looks like it is http://fpaste.org/45547/13487801/ |
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| 20:00.59 | grammoboy2 | can I download debian to ubuntu and install from there? |
| 20:01.54 | grammoboy2 | or do i need a bootable device like cd or usb |
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| 20:02.41 | dondelelcaro | grammoboy2: you can do that it either way |
| 20:03.12 | grammoboy2 | dondelelcaro, download an iso and mnt it? |
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| 20:06.35 | sary | grammoboy2: you could to that from ubuntu in a chroot environment. |
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| 20:06.50 | grammoboy2 | hm will prepare an usb |
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| 20:08.51 | sary | good luck, i was lucky to get a bootable usb using Unetbootin with wheezy netinstall image just last night. |
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| 20:09.57 | grammoboy2 | thx |
| 20:09.58 | rryoumaa | why is one wheezy/updates and the other wheezy-updates? |
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| 20:10.30 | fruitFly | selev ? |
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| 20:11.54 | fruitFly | ever since I went to my friends house, none of my deb based distros are working on his connection, they keep timing out. Any ideas? |
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| 20:12.16 | fruitFly | If I disable and then reenable the coonnection they work for a second |
| 20:12.35 | fruitFly | a little bit* longet than a second, maybe a minut or so |
| 20:12.39 | fruitFly | miunte* |
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| 20:13.39 | sharky | fruitFly, maybe his dhcp, you can manually check your connection and set it manually |
| 20:14.10 | fruitFly | sharky: my windows is fine though, that's what I'm on now |
| 20:14.15 | sharky | fruitFly, do you feel comfortable with the command line? |
| 20:14.29 | fruitFly | sharky: not extremely, but I can try |
| 20:14.54 | halt | Hi All, I have a box, which lost the x after update, so now right after the grub2 menu, the screen lost the signal, what kind of option i have to use to go with just the console ? |
| 20:15.18 | fruitFly | sharky: windows is fine on his router but but mint and ubuntu keep timing out, and I have to disable and then reenable to get connected again? |
| 20:15.47 | sharky | fruitFly, so open your terminal, get root with sudo -i or su root and we can check things together |
| 20:15.58 | sary | halt: are you able to switch to a virtual terminal by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 ! |
| 20:16.17 | fruitFly | sharky: I'm on windows now, if I switch partitions to linux I'll get disconnected :|, what should I do? |
| 20:17.12 | fruitFly | actually, I think I can walk over to the access point, but I have to grab an ethernet and walk over a ditch, 1 sec |
| 20:17.29 | sharky | fruitFly, ok lets see your network configuration on windows, open cmd and ipconfig /all and copy the output to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:17.33 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: which debian release are you running? |
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| 20:18.43 | fruitFly | sharky: how do you copy in windows terminal? |
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| 20:19.05 | sharky | fruitFly, right button then select or something |
| 20:19.09 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: I haven't even gotten my deb 7.1 wlan to work properly yet |
| 20:19.40 | sharky | fruitFly, do you want to make wlan connection or eth? |
| 20:19.51 | fruitFly | sharky: wlan |
| 20:20.10 | frikinz | select with mouse and press enter to copy cmd output |
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| 20:20.25 | fruitFly | sharky: http://pastebin.com/H0HhsfNL |
| 20:20.36 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: and the wlan chip which one? |
| 20:21.00 | halt | sary: I'm afraid there is more serious issue because that does not work neither |
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| 20:21.48 | sharky | fruitFly, ok your ip is 192.168.0.15/24 and your router gateway is 192.168.0.1 that is all we need to know |
| 20:21.54 | mumpitzel | halt: nomodeset and init=/bin/sh as last resort |
| 20:22.28 | mumpitzel | sharky: this is what you don't need to know since we have DHCP. and the stuff you do need to know (firmware, wpa, etc) you don't |
| 20:22.37 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: it's in the pastebin I just did, "firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin missing" durin install and I installed "firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb" it still isn't working. I ran "dpkg -l firmware-realtek" and I got ii and firmware-realtek .36 (wheeze or whatever) was there but it said wired at the end? |
| 20:23.16 | fruitFly | sharky: ok got it, so wut, I should manually assign myself 0.15 in linux? |
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| 20:23.49 | sharky | fruitFly, I can tell you how to do it manually but it is a bit involved, I mean you need to stop the running network manager, use wpa_supplicant, and set you ip with ipconfig, it can be hard on your own |
| 20:23.54 | sary | halt: and ctrl+alt+printscreen+k ! |
| 20:24.46 | sharky | fruitFly, tell me how you try to connect in linux, what window manager do you use? |
| 20:25.09 | fruitFly | sharky: any alternatives? If I have to do it manually I will do it, been trying to get linux to work on this network for a long time. If I have to cross this ditch to get to the access point I'll do it. And what are we going to do? |
| 20:25.23 | halt | sary: still nothing, I'm editing not the grub2 menu and try few more options |
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| 20:25.47 | fruitFly | sharky: I use the default network icon on the bottom right of the screen, and just type in the ssid password |
| 20:26.24 | fruitFly | sharky: i get connected but then after about 30 seconds I'll try to hit a webpage and it'll just be unresponsive and eventually just say server error not found or whatever. |
| 20:26.38 | sary | halt: then, you'd have a better chance booting into recover mode and reconfigure X and the system from there. |
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| 20:27.29 | sharky | fruitFly, and does it connect? It is better to get it work with the gui, I can tell you the commands, but it will be best if you have access from another machine so I can help you while executing the commands |
| 20:27.37 | halt | sary: does not works even in recovery mode |
| 20:28.55 | fruitFly | sharky: it connects and I can hit web pages in the browser, but for only like 30 seconds and then the browser is unresponsive, but if I manually disable my network connection and then re enable it, it works for another 30 seconds. |
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| 20:29.28 | sharky | fruitFly, hm that is strange |
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| 20:29.43 | sary | halt: in recover mode it gives you the option to login as root then switch to user (you) then you are able to preform apt-get commands. |
| 20:29.52 | sharky | fruitFly, it is good though that you get connection |
| 20:29.54 | fruitFly | sharky: it indeed is, and only started since I came to my friends |
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| 20:30.15 | fruitFly | sharky: yes, however it is still unusable |
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| 20:30.17 | mumpitzel | no need to switch to a user. users can't use apt fully |
| 20:30.18 | sharky | fruitFly, so at your home it is working good? |
| 20:30.22 | frikinz | problem during rescanning of networks? |
| 20:30.29 | fruitFly | it was before yes |
| 20:30.40 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: what happens when you get disconnected? does the IP change? does the router still respond, etc? |
| 20:30.45 | sharky | fruitFly, yes I can understand that it is unusable so |
| 20:30.46 | fruitFly | the 2 palces I was staying before worked fine. and then this new place just doesnt |
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| 20:31.23 | icedhell | hi everyone |
| 20:31.43 | sary | halt: i had a similar issue last night , had to upgrade to testing which was my intent in the first place, haven't not working i'd reconfigure X whithin recovery mode. |
| 20:31.47 | sary | hi |
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| 20:32.06 | icedhell | please can you tell me |
| 20:32.12 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: I'm not sure if the ip changes, I could go and check but I would get disconnected from irc. but yes when I disconnect, I can easily just reconnect and get the connection for a little until it times out again (don't get for that long about 10-20 somthing seconds I think) |
| 20:32.37 | halt | sary: I'm already on testing, and i just update few days ago |
| 20:32.44 | icedhell | how to configure a dns and dhcp server on debian |
| 20:33.07 | icedhell | :) |
| 20:33.52 | fruitFly | sharky: mumpitzel that happened on xubuntu 13.04 and mint 14, I wont even begin to tell you my debian problems |
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| 20:34.36 | sary | halt: okay. |
| 20:34.39 | halt | icedhell: it's not really debian specific, but what you are searching for the the bind9 and the isc-dhcp-server |
| 20:34.53 | dragonfly | icedhell: bind9 for dns |
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| 20:35.30 | halt | sary: well i will try to plug into some other monitor tomorrow, but now bedtime |
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| 20:35.31 | sharky | fruitFly, don't worry man with time you will learn a lot more, so to try some commands you need to reboot in mint, but then you will have a connection every time you reset it for 30 seconds? |
| 20:35.32 | icedhell | i know |
| 20:35.51 | dragonfly | icedhell: so what are you wondering then? |
| 20:36.18 | sary | halt: see ya tomorrow then, have a good one :) . |
| 20:36.25 | icedhell | I have problems configuration files area bind9 |
| 20:36.35 | icedhell | you speak french ? |
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| 20:37.05 | fruitFly | sharky: somethinglike that between 10-20 seconds I think, it's tight |
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| 20:37.54 | fruitFly | sharky: why you want me to try and trouble shoot it wih you in mint, I'm willing to give it a try, hope xchat connects fast though you have a fb or something? |
| 20:38.29 | dragonfly | english only here, sorry |
| 20:38.35 | icedhell | :'( |
| 20:38.36 | sharky | like Stallman says I am not f'd |
| 20:39.36 | dragonfly | so what is your config question icedhell |
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| 20:40.36 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 20:40.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:40.58 | sharky | fruitFly, we can try something, I can give you a string with several commands that you can execute after you loose connection and the output of those commands you can copy on paste.debian.net with your 30 sec interval |
| 20:41.00 | halt | !hu |
| 20:41.00 | dpkg | Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a #debian.hu csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel. |
| 20:41.14 | fruitFly | sharky: let's do it! |
| 20:41.33 | halt | jhutchins: thanks i did not know this one nice bot function |
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| 20:41.53 | sharky | then remember the url, boot in windows and come back here and give me the link or so |
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| 20:42.14 | sharky | fruitFly, do you know how to become root on your machine? |
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| 20:42.24 | fruitFly | yes |
| 20:42.24 | somiaj | orfix: good, hope it worked. (: |
| 20:42.27 | fruitFly | sharky: yes sudo |
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| 20:43.43 | sharky | fruitFly, yes better sudo -i, then you get root ( # ) and I will give you now the command |
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| 20:44.25 | jhutchins | halt: You can explore it by doing /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 20:44.59 | grammoboy2 | hm the laptop doesnt boot the bootable usb |
| 20:45.07 | grammoboy2 | just a white cursor |
| 20:45.22 | fruitFly | sharky: sudo -i vs. sudo? and are you gonna send me a link of the commands you want me to perform? |
| 20:46.07 | sharky | fruitFly, yes sudo -i, then you put your password and you become root you get # instead of $ |
| 20:46.25 | sary | grammoboy2: have you md5sum the iso image! and what method you've used to burn/copy the image to the usb! |
| 20:46.31 | sharky | fruitFly, and then execute that dmesg;ifconfig;ifconfig -a;iwconfig;netstat -nr;cat /etc/resolv.conf; ps aux | grep -i net; |
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| 20:47.04 | fruitFly | sharky: could you pastebin all the commands and protocol I need to know for me please, and I write down the link |
| 20:47.09 | sharky | fruitFly, reconnect to the router and paste the output to paste.debian.net |
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| 20:48.25 | fruitFly | sharky: is that 7 different commands? and I should execute them all seperately when I'm connected? |
| 20:48.46 | sharky | fruitFly, http://paste.debian.net/54574/ |
| 20:48.56 | giuscri | Is there some way I could see if my touchpad recognize when I'm using 3 fingers instead of 1 or 2? |
| 20:48.56 | grammoboy2 | cp mini.iso /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:49.05 | grammoboy2 | sync |
| 20:49.12 | grammoboy2 | sary, |
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| 20:49.21 | sharky | fruitFly, yes you can just copy and paste them like that, they will execute one after the other |
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| 20:49.53 | grammoboy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.54 | grammoboy2 | bash: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied |
| 20:49.59 | fruitFly | sharky: and execute them when I'm connected, right? |
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| 20:50.56 | sharky | fruitFly, it will be good when you are connected once, and when you disconnect again, but don't mix the outputs |
| 20:51.21 | sharky | fruitFly, it is more interesting when you are disconnected |
| 20:51.38 | jhutchins | grammoboy2: CHeck your md5sums |
| 20:51.49 | sharky | after that reconnect and paste it on the web site |
| 20:52.06 | fruitFly | sharky: so run it while i'm connected and can hit websites, the run it once I can't hit websites, and then disconnect and reconnect and run it 1 more time when I CAN hit websites? |
| 20:52.06 | sharky | then come in the chat again |
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| 20:52.48 | sharky | fruitFly, once you are connected, and once you disconnect |
| 20:53.02 | fruitFly | sharky: okay :), be right back! |
| 20:53.40 | Levitator | Blah. Shouldn't g++ know where to find the i386 paths when I pass it -m32? |
| 20:54.04 | Levitator | It keeps looking in x86_64, complains that they're incompatible, and gives up. |
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| 20:56.15 | jhutchins | Proving, once again, that multiarch is a work in progress. |
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| 20:57.14 | grammoboy2 | jhutchins, looks right |
| 20:57.29 | grammoboy2 | md5sum mini.iso |
| 20:57.29 | grammoboy2 | 71d7203ac5e37fd9ae70fc9c18c4ac10 mini.iso |
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| 20:57.42 | sary | grammoboy2: umount the usb , then run: cat debian.iso > >/dev/sdb; sync |
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| 20:59.04 | sary | might as well try ddi'ng ths iso , dd if=<mini.iso > of=</dev/sdb> bs=4M; sync |
| 20:59.20 | tcope | where is setting to configure hot corners |
| 20:59.34 | sary | grammoboy2: ^ |
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| 21:00.24 | grammoboy2 | cat mini.iso >> /dev/sdb; sync |
| 21:00.29 | grammoboy2 | ok will reboot |
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| 21:00.49 | Levitator | Hrm. Is my issue linking using -m32 further evidence that multiarch is a work in progress? |
| 21:00.57 | ompaul | grammoboy2: and make sure your bios boots from usb |
| 21:01.33 | sary | grammoboy2: just one > .. and when you reboot hit the key for boot options and select/set it to USB. |
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| 21:02.58 | tcope | have looked though settings and find none .. what setting context or tab contains hot corner configs .. or what file i need edit to change to diff corner |
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| 21:04.44 | ompaul | tcope: I don't do that stuff at all but the web says right click on your menu and settings> all settings> Hot Corners |
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| 21:07.40 | giuscri | it's likely I cannot make Synaptics recognize my right button --though I can use it. $ grep "TouchPad: buttons:" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:07.53 | giuscri | ...oops. |
| 21:07.58 | giuscri | rewriting ... |
| 21:07.59 | tcope | thnx for respnse but find no such option |
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| 21:08.40 | giuscri | it's likely I cannot make Synaptics recognize my right button --though I can use it. |
| 21:09.12 | sary | tcope: depends on the desktop environment/Window manager in use, does it not! |
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| 21:09.54 | giuscri | `$ grep "TouchPad: buttons:" /var/log/Xorg.0.log` returns me `[ 22130.128] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left double triple` ...not the *right* one. |
| 21:10.05 | tcope | looks to be gnome3 |
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| 21:12.48 | sary | giuscri: #see https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 21:13.28 | Levitator | Ugh. Why is it that when I read about compiling 32-bit apps under Debian these days, it says to create a chroot environment? Squeeze never had that problem. |
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| 21:16.46 | frikinz | Levitator: did you see this https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/LibraryPathOverview |
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| 21:17.49 | Levitator | frikinz: Ooh. Thanks. |
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| 21:23.39 | fruitFly_ | sharky: |
| 21:23.43 | jhutchins | giuscri: What is your desktop environment? |
| 21:23.56 | fruitFly_ | sharky: paste.debian.net/54589 |
| 21:24.08 | sharky | fruitFly_, alright I will take a look now |
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| 21:24.14 | giuscri | jhutchins: GNOME3 |
| 21:24.16 | fruitFly_ | sharky: I put a lil comment at the top, I failed a little |
| 21:24.31 | Levitator | xfce > gnome3 |
| 21:24.46 | fruitFly_ | sharky: i'm on windows now, the timing windows was too tigh, less than 10 seconds I could not connect to irc in time |
| 21:26.08 | sharky | fruitFly_, its okay, I was thinking the same, just to paste from linux and then to reconnect to irc from your windows |
| 21:26.51 | fruitFly_ | sharky: hee hee :) |
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| 21:27.18 | fruitFly_ | sharky: home sweet home windows... the home i'd rather no be in but the only one where the the lights are woring |
| 21:27.21 | fruitFly_ | working* |
| 21:28.01 | frikinz | dnsmasq is standard in mint? |
| 21:28.18 | maxyz | !mint |
| 21:28.18 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 21:29.23 | sharky | fruitFly_, windows is no home mate, windows is closed source shit, that you can't trust |
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| 21:31.34 | fruitFly_ | sharky: twas a joke, but it's my home for now until i can fix this shit! |
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| 21:35.41 | fruitFly_ | sharky: seein' nothin' mate? |
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| 21:37.05 | snollux | Hello all! I'm trying to make an easy solution for building binary DPKGs for various architectures, which I can easily send around to my other developers. It basically generates folders for each architecture (amd64, i386, etc) containing the DEBIAN/ and package/ directories, and moves the appropriate config files, binaries and postinstall scripts to the right place. |
| 21:37.06 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, sorry my router reseted |
| 21:37.20 | snollux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.30 | snollux | even when I try "linux32 debuild" |
| 21:37.34 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, are you connecting to your router without password man? |
| 21:37.49 | snollux | but it works fine when I build it from an 32-bit box. What can I do? |
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| 21:37.58 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: i entered the password |
| 21:38.05 | fruitFly_ | i believe it saved in the network app |
| 21:38.32 | snollux | It seems like you should be able to update a file and then update the Deb packages on lots of architectures, instead of doing it one by one or needing a different VM for each architecture |
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| 21:40.20 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, because iwconfig is giving Encryption key:off, but that is not so relevant |
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| 21:42.21 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, if you see line 53 to 59 there you can see your connection (authentication and association with the router) |
| 21:42.22 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: ok, maybe if I nuke and pave my whole machine, re install windows and then linux? probably not lol, but I'm interested in reinstalling everything |
| 21:42.58 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, but then it goes to 94 "[ 1077.755497] wlan0: deauthenticating from 08:86:3b:5e:b8:fa by local choice (reason=3)" |
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| 21:43.41 | kukac | if I change the font in kde let's say 20 times to experiment the best, my cpu load is 100% (8 cores) and all of my memory is consumed (8 Gb). Why? |
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| 21:44.03 | jhutchins | giuscri: The settings/control panel in Gnome should be able to fix that for you, otherwise you'll need to create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:44.08 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, it is not about nuking man, if you want you can do anything, but I think that can be fixed somehow |
| 21:44.24 | giuscri | jhutchins: yes, I see that |
| 21:44.39 | jhutchins | !synaptics |
| 21:44.39 | dpkg | Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 21:44.40 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: by local choice, I didn't initiate it to do anything. :S |
| 21:45.00 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, and this connection and disconnection repeats several times |
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| 21:46.09 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: it connects, i can hti a web page for a couple seconds then i can't hit a webpage, i have to then DISCONNECT and RECONNECT in order to hit a web page for another few seconds |
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| 21:47.12 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: the little wirless icon will always show it's connected though unless I disconnect it |
| 21:47.13 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, yep I see that, and it gives "reason=3", that is what I am searching now in internet for some answers |
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| 21:48.48 | jhutchins | fruitFly_: Have you looked at dmesg and the logs to see what the system thinks it's doing in that time? |
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| 21:50.41 | fruitFly_ | jhutchins: i'm not even sure what dmessage is exactly, the entire command i pasted at paste.debian is not even the full output I don't believe; I'm a noob and don't know if it's even worth it for me to look at the output I pasted; I feel burnt out from trying to get everything to work from deb, mint14, 15 and xubuntu, nothing, there is something going on with debian distros and this access point I think. |
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| 21:51.13 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: jhutchins I have a dirty feeling if I switched access point it would work,but I don't have another one |
| 21:51.36 | frikinz | don't have a phone to create an AP? |
| 21:52.12 | tcope | never found a way to move the gnome3 hot corner without installing extra packages .. did find a way to disable it in its js config file by setting reactive=false |
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| 21:52.22 | jhutchins | fruitFly_: the dmesg command dumps the kernel ring buffer. What is usually most useful is the last 20-100 lines and what has happened most recently. Run it, establish where it ends, do something (connect wifi), wait for it to fail, and look at dmesg to see what's new. |
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| 21:53.01 | sharky_ | jhutchins, he did - http://paste.debian.net/54589 |
| 21:54.00 | sharky_ | jhutchins, seems you are jumping in the convo without even reading history? |
| 21:54.17 | zophy | hi |
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| 21:55.21 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: jhutchins well I told him I don't know what dmessage is |
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| 21:55.59 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: jhutchins I think I get it now, it's basically just what the kernel is doing, I think |
| 21:56.08 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, one of the commands I told you to execute is dmesg and the output you copy of it |
| 21:56.28 | jhutchins | fruitFly_: I assume that that is the end of the output, but the intersting part is the struggle over frequency settings. |
| 21:56.36 | jhutchins | fruitFly_: You are in the US? |
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| 21:56.46 | fruitFly_ | jhutchins: yes |
| 21:57.02 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: yes, I remember, wasn't sure exactly what it did at the time though |
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| 22:00.32 | jhutchins | This is certainly interesting: associating with AP with corrupt beacon |
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| 22:02.08 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, it is "disassociating " with "reason=3" I found different issues for that reason 3 on google, but jhutchins may be right that your problem is connected with frequency setting |
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| 22:02.44 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, maybe it will be best to change your settings in your router, and give it a try |
| 22:02.46 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: holy shit, jhutchins what can I do capn's? |
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| 22:02.55 | fruitFly_ | capns* |
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| 22:03.33 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: WHICH SETTING PARTICULARLY, now I need the damn password for the access point, actually now, I will go hard reset it |
| 22:04.00 | sharky_ | frequency and channel, not hard reset |
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| 22:04.52 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, if you can not touch frequency change channel at least |
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| 22:05.29 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: one sec have to hard reset the router. |
| 22:05.32 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, because it seems your wireless driver is having problem with that router |
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| 22:07.03 | jhutchins | Sorry guys, gotta go work on a horse. |
| 22:07.05 | WcktKlwn | I attempted to install Debian 7.1 on a embeded system (http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/EmbeddedComputing/EmbeddedComputers/Pages/KR8315.aspx) and after it boots past grub it goes to a black screen and doesn't show anything. I did not install X. Any ideas why it will not show the login prompt? |
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| 22:09.10 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, some ppl with that error number had issues with their NetworkManager, its a bit hard to tell exactly what causes this deauthentication |
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| 22:11.22 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, but if that configuration is working at your home, then it should be definitely the connection between your driver and that router |
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| 22:11.50 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, so you can change the settings on your router and test/try to get stable connection |
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| 22:14.35 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: I just rested the router because I didn't have the password |
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| 22:15.49 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, ok then put new password and change the wlan settings |
| 22:16.42 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, I have to go in 5 min., but my advice would be to test your connection with different settings of your router |
| 22:17.00 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: ok thanks I will try, be back!!!!!!! |
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| 22:17.37 | sharky_ | fruitFly_, you are welcome mate, hope it will work |
| 22:17.53 | fruitFly_ | sharky_: me to thanks so much!] |
| 22:17.57 | fruitFly_ | !!!!!!! |
| 22:17.57 | dpkg | i heard !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
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| 22:18.09 | pumphaus | heya |
| 22:18.42 | pumphaus | which package does /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.default belong to? |
| 22:18.48 | pumphaus | doesn't seem to be "cups" |
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| 22:19.33 | Hydroxide | pumphaus: try dpkg -S /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.default to find out |
| 22:19.42 | pumphaus | I would've done that ;) |
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| 22:19.57 | derick_ | firmware missing for wireless |
| 22:20.01 | derick_ | > |
| 22:20.05 | derick_ | < |
| 22:20.06 | pumphaus | I've deleted /etc/cups to start with fresh config files |
| 22:20.12 | Guest17122 | :/ |
| 22:20.27 | pumphaus | thought re-installing the cups packages would restore the default files |
| 22:20.32 | pumphaus | but that didn't do the trick |
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| 22:20.39 | pumphaus | so maybe I'm missing a package |
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| 22:21.05 | derick1 | no wireless, my i thought linux got rid of that disaster |
| 22:22.04 | derick1 | how do i know which hardware i have |
| 22:22.07 | derick1 | for wireless |
| 22:22.11 | derick1 | damn |
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| 22:22.46 | mtn | derick1: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 22:24.06 | derick1 | 09:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1600] (rev 02) |
| 22:24.06 | derick1 | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
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| 22:26.38 | frikinz | pumphaus: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" cups-daemon |
| 22:26.45 | pumphaus | thanks |
| 22:29.34 | derick1 | working |
| 22:29.35 | derick1 | thx |
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| 22:31.31 | pumphaus | guess my installation is fried anyway |
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| 22:48.43 | WcktKlwn | I attempted to install Debian 7.1 on a embeded system (http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/EmbeddedComputing/EmbeddedComputers/Pages/KR8315.aspx) and after it boots past grub it goes to a black screen and doesn't show anything. I did not install X. Any ideas why it will not show the login prompt? |
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| 22:52.10 | tomreyn | WcktKlwn: how do you get output form it in the first place? vga? serial? |
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| 22:53.32 | WcktKlwn | tomreyn: There is VGA output |
| 22:53.56 | tomreyn | i'm aware that there is a connector, is this what you're using? |
| 22:54.19 | WcktKlwn | tomreyn: The system posts, grub loads, I select the kernel, it displays a couple lines and then goes black. |
| 22:54.20 | tomreyn | also how did you install and did the installation succeed (you say you "attempted to install")? and finally, are you the first one to try to install debian on this system or are you aware of any successful installations? |
| 22:54.21 | WcktKlwn | tomreyn: yes |
| 22:55.43 | tomreyn | 2 questions to go ;) |
| 22:55.47 | WcktKlwn | tomreyn: I say attempted because I can not continue after the system "successfully" installs. I have had other distros on this type of hardware |
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| 22:58.55 | tomreyn | Fedora 12 is listed as supported, but then that's stone age, 19 is current, and it's not clear whether this system can run on all open source drivers. |
| 22:59.16 | tomreyn | getting the serial to work may help diagnosing the issue |
| 22:59.47 | tomreyn | also you could just take the sdcard and attach it to another ocmputer and inspect the log files |
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| 23:02.25 | tomreyn | the debian installation you did, was it using an official image? in case it was a modified one, it's well possible that the login is only available on serial, that's not an uncommon setup for embedded devices (but then you are probably aware of this, having worked with such devices before) |
| 23:02.53 | WcktKlwn | I downloaded the netinstall iso with firmware added |
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| 23:46.40 | Levitator | How does ldconfig decide whether to create a link of the form libwhatever.so? |
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| 23:48.24 | Levitator | Sometimes it does it and sometimes it just does libwhatever.so.x -> libwhatever.so.x.y or similar. But if it doesn't do the .so link, then gcc can't find the library. |
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| 23:52.44 | Levitator | Hrm. Maybe it's not ldconfig that creates the .so links. |
| 23:53.14 | Levitator | Well, sometimes it is, but not for libGL |
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