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| 00:01.13 | t0ke | In Debian 7 (with gnome) when I try and fullscreen some things (Minecraft, and Youtube videos), it goes full screen but then immediate exits fullscreen |
| 00:01.17 | t0ke | Any help would be appreciated |
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| 00:10.22 | Levitator | GNOME 3 is widely regarded as a disaster anyway. |
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| 00:11.33 | Levitator | It seems like whenever something gains enough popularity, everyone comes out of the woodwork to bloat it up and make a mess of it. |
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| 00:13.06 | themill | Levitator: you're probably looking for the libfoo-dev package not just the libfooX package. |
| 00:13.28 | Levitator | Ah. I think that explains it. Thanks. |
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| 00:24.12 | fruitFly | how do I fugure out my access point IP? |
| 00:24.47 | Levitator | Are you able to connect through it? |
| 00:24.50 | fruitFly | i'm on windows trying to get debian to work, ipconfig give the deafult gateway IP but it's the modem not the access point |
| 00:25.08 | Levitator | Oh. Does traceroute help? |
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| 00:25.40 | fruitFly | i tried tracert modem |
| 00:25.45 | fruitFly | skipped the ap |
| 00:25.49 | fruitFly | ! |
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| 00:27.03 | Levitator | You could see if the modem reports DHCP leases in its admin menus. |
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| 00:27.25 | fruitFly | Levitator: ok will check |
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| 00:38.30 | fruitFly | Levitator: not seeing any router, just client pcs :( |
| 00:39.04 | Levitator | I thought you said it was an AP. If it's a router and you're connected through it, then your gateway address will be it. |
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| 00:40.56 | fruitFly | Levitator: sorry, I think it's an AP, it's a belkin device with an SSID. |
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| 00:41.51 | fruitFly | Levitator: connected to a modem, and the stated default gateway is the modem :( |
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| 00:45.15 | Levitator | Usually, you can pull the connection on the AP and power-cycle it to get it to boot to a manufacturer default. |
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| 00:45.33 | bt6 | For some reason, some characters on my computer aren't showing up properly. For example, "u'"s look like "n"s as in this picture http://i.imgur.com/zc6UTZz.png Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? |
| 00:45.35 | Levitator | Unless the IP has been statically configured. |
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| 00:48.03 | Levitator | bt6: This won't help, but it's funny: https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-bork |
| 00:48.05 | fruitFly | Levitator: i reset it |
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| 00:48.23 | fruitFly | Levitator: the AP, can't find it's IP |
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| 00:48.44 | Levitator | Pull the network cable so that it can't get a DHCP lease, power-cycle it, then read the manual to find out what its default IP is. |
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| 00:49.22 | Levitator | Some APs come with software that will query it via the MAC address to get the IP. |
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| 00:51.52 | fruitFly | Levitator: it's next door across a ditch and it's dark, i'm downloading Nmap, you think a subnet scan would work? |
| 00:52.07 | Levitator | Probably. |
| 00:52.08 | fruitFly | i don't have any documentation for the AP Levitator |
| 00:52.18 | Levitator | Google for it. Make and model number. |
| 00:52.35 | Levitator | You're still going to need the manual to know what the default login and password are. |
| 00:53.01 | Levitator | Otherwise you're headed back across the ditch to do an NVM reset on it, likely with a paperclip. |
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| 00:53.50 | Levitator | Yes, I've done this before. Way too many times. |
| 00:53.50 | fruitFly | Levitator: no with a screw. LOL I kinda forgot the password, might have to walk across that ditch anyway. but first i wanna try find it with a scan |
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| 01:03.58 | Mikicacarica | FREE BRAZZERS ACCOUNTS ---> http://brazzersnew.blogspot.com |
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| 01:52.33 | hiyo | How do I disable the popcon program? |
| 01:52.47 | dvs | uninstall it? |
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| 01:54.50 | hiyo | sure |
| 01:55.09 | hiyo | It can't send the email about the programs I'm using so it just keeps on sending me failure messages |
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| 01:56.26 | themill | It tries http first, so that must be failing too. |
| 01:56.44 | hiyo | odd, what do you mean by that? |
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| 02:37.32 | Levitator | Ok. Cross-compiling is going to drive me crazy in Wheezy. |
| 02:38.00 | Levitator | Why does apt-get keep insisting on removing some packages when I install certain -dev:i386 packages? |
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| 02:38.45 | Levitator | This was never a problem in squeeze. Does this mean that some packages have not been ported over to the new multiarch layout? |
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| 02:39.00 | themill | You couldn't install them at all for squeeze |
| 02:39.14 | themill | But without a crystal ball or ESP-over-TCP/IP, we can't answer that question. We can tell you that multiarch is not (yet) a replacement for foreign-arch chroots for cross-compiling. |
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| 02:39.59 | Levitator | That's weird. I don't remember the wine32 build complaining this much, unless they added a ton of new dependencies. |
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| 02:41.29 | Levitator | I used to be able to build the entirety of Wine without a chroot setup. All of the 32-bit libraries simply installed without a problem. |
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| 03:01.21 | Levitator | Ok. Take this, for example: apt-get install libxi-dev:i386 |
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| 03:01.51 | Levitator | The following packages will be REMOVED: libgpod-dev libgtk2.0-dev libxi-dev |
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| 03:02.17 | Levitator | WHY? The entire point of the the arch qualifier is to install side-by-side. |
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| 03:03.49 | jelly-home | Levitator: not all -dev packages are coinstallable yet, and it's possible they will never be |
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| 03:04.23 | kmyst | i've got a question about preseeding and the auto label for the kernel cmdline...isn't it supposed to delay the locale and keyboard questions until after there has been a chance to preseed them? |
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| 04:24.44 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 04:25.26 | johnfg | For some reason, my less than a year old HP Officejet 6700 Premium seems not to be cooperating with wheezy. |
| 04:25.46 | johnfg | Should I be able to ping it's wireless ip: 192.168.0.6? |
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| 04:32.16 | ckuehl | johnfg: maybe, but it's also possible it doesn't respond to ping by design (stupid design imo) |
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| 04:40.07 | grimeton | johnfg: run a ping check the arp cache for an arp entry |
| 04:42.38 | ckuehl | you can also try nmap, it's good at that kind of thing |
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| 04:44.57 | jcbjoe | hi all question .. lets say i choose to go with a desktop xfce / kde / gnome do they have any tiling features as i3 or awesome windowmanger built in or even an app that can help with tiling |
| 04:45.01 | jcbjoe | i have a very small screen |
| 04:45.09 | jcbjoe | 1366x768 |
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| 04:45.17 | ParkerR | Trying to get a session started on my second monitor. Used nvidia-settings to make each screen a separate X session. Laptop screen starts fine but second screen just seems to run a base X server. I tried DISPLAY=:1 but it seems only :0 (laptop screen) exists http://minecrafted.mooo.com/pictures/IMG_1284.JPG |
| 04:45.34 | ckuehl | jcbjoe: if you want a tiling wm why not just use a tiling wm? |
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| 04:45.49 | jcbjoe | ckuehl: i am im using i3 .. im getting kind of bored |
| 04:46.13 | cheasee | hi |
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| 04:50.59 | gnarface | jcbjoe: enlightenment 0.17 |
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| 04:53.12 | cheasee | using "ufw allow proto tcp from 86.59.12.198/27 to $SERVER_EXTIPV4 port smtp" i get "WARN: Rule changed after normalization". it works tough but why this warning? when i define /32 i dont get a warning at all |
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| 04:58.12 | hcsnemrebu | cheasee, ufw is not debian software...go ask in #ubuntu |
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| 04:58.59 | hcsnemrebu | oh they added it to wheezy..nm |
| 04:59.44 | hcsnemrebu | cheasee, you could TRY to add the rule via iptables and see if you get any errors...just to see if the problem is in ufw itself or underlying software |
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| 05:00.21 | gnarface | cheasee: i dont' use ufw either but it is only a warning so i'd just check to see what it changed it to; it probably just added the unspecified netmask/network/broadcast addresses |
| 05:00.53 | gnarface | cheasee: old school people just use iptables directly |
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| 05:02.02 | gnarface | cheasee: /32 implies just one ip address which probably has something to do with it not needing to change anything |
| 05:02.14 | grimeton | jcbjoe: you ever heard of "awesome" ? |
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| 05:06.10 | grimeton | jcbjoe: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
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| 05:22.22 | cheasee | gnarface: i know its just a warning, and the rules seem to work (at least i see them in iptables -L -n) but because of this warning logcheck sends me mails with this one line as content ;) |
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| 05:23.34 | cheasee | gnarface: i used iptables directly but my script was long, complicated, and not v6 aware.. now i thought, i have to shorten it, else i lose overview about things when i add ipv6 on top of this long script |
| 05:25.19 | cheasee | my iptables script was 277 lines (without ipv6), now using ufw its just 170 lines (with ipv6) |
| 05:25.44 | cheasee | (still trying to shorten it) |
| 05:26.22 | cheasee | however, i dont get the point whats wrong with a /27 subnet |
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| 05:31.35 | cheasee | hah, got it |
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| 05:32.09 | cheasee | seems ufw expects the network id-ip if defining a subnet.. |
| 05:32.40 | cheasee | ufw allow from 86.59.12.192/27 doesnt give that warning |
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| 05:34.05 | cheasee | thanks, bye :) |
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| 06:17.37 | mathisen | :) |
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| 06:34.43 | n0c | hey there. in the kernel that was installed with my distribution (3.2-amd64) I have a nice small concise set of modules under /lib/modules/3.2-amd64, but when I compile a kernel from vanilla sources and do a `make olddefconfig` from the copied 3.2-config into the new source tree, I get tons of modules. is there a way to only build the modules for the detected devices? |
| 06:34.59 | n0c | (in my cse this turned out to essentially be the rtl8192ce wlan card and a couple others) |
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| 06:36.39 | n0c | i think i may need to look at the tool module-assistant.. |
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| 06:38.58 | Roey | haaaaaaaaaaaaai. |
| 06:39.01 | Roey | Hey, I have an idea. |
| 06:39.08 | Roey | Why do we have to finish waiting for all packages to download before we start an unpacking and then an installation process? Can't we unpack as we download the package (as OpenSUSE does) and install once all of its dependencies have also been unpacked and installed? |
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| 06:40.19 | drybjed | Roey: how do you handle errors? |
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| 06:40.38 | themill | and how do you handle packages that will cause the network to bounce |
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| 06:40.58 | Roey | themill: can yo uplease clarify what you meant by that |
| 06:41.05 | Roey | themill: I think you were asking, |
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| 06:41.23 | Roey | actually I have no clue what you are asking, can you please re-phrase it? |
| 06:41.46 | themill | if you upgrade the network-manager package (and iirc the dbus package), you will temporarily lose network connectivity. You can't be downloading packages at the same time. |
| 06:41.52 | Roey | themill, drybjed: you handle errors the same way you handle errors with apt-get/dpkg. |
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| 06:42.03 | themill | more sources of errors are unwanted |
| 06:42.08 | Roey | themill: well what did I say at the top |
| 06:42.26 | Roey | Can't we unpack as we download the package (as OpenSUSE does) and install *********once all of its dependencies************ have also been unpacked and installed? |
| 06:42.27 | Roey | there. |
| 06:42.29 | Shadur | ... Wait, why would you still be downloading packages while you're already installing from? |
| 06:42.34 | themill | Roey: that doesn't help |
| 06:42.40 | Roey | how so? |
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| 06:43.07 | Roey | themill: I win. |
| 06:43.08 | Shadur | In fact, doesn't apt/dpkg lock the database while it's doing install work for more or less that reason? |
| 06:43.19 | themill | Roey: umm... wtf? |
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| 06:43.44 | Roey | themill: then can you explain what you mean without these one-line non-constructive statements like "it won't help"? |
| 06:44.06 | themill | just because you don't yet understand that the network going down while you're downloading a package would be a problem doesn't mean you win. Not that anyone other than you was aware this was a competition. |
| 06:44.07 | Roey | I see it in OpenSUSE. |
| 06:44.12 | Roey | listen |
| 06:44.20 | Roey | themill: not everyone has an unreliable connection. |
| 06:44.43 | Roey | themill: but you don't understand what I said. |
| 06:44.43 | themill | some packages *make* it unreliable. You have to handle that in some way in your scheme. |
| 06:44.49 | Roey | read my question again |
| 06:45.02 | Roey | please understand what I mean by "all of its dependencies". |
| 06:45.04 | Shadur | Roey: So we should just ignore the ones who do because the ones who don't want to shave a whole ten seconds off their software upgrade time? |
| 06:45.05 | themill | Roey: you can stop telling me what to do now and you can stop asserting that I do not understand |
| 06:45.07 | Roey | ah, ya know whatever. |
| 06:45.12 | Roey | I left Debian because of shit like this. |
| 06:45.15 | themill | bye |
| 06:45.17 | Roey | bey :) |
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| 06:45.23 | Shadur | And yet you came back. |
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| 06:46.13 | malajunta | good evening |
| 06:47.32 | malajunta | so i installed debian (net install) using unetbootin on my sd card reader cool, i got it running, except that i have to boot it from the sd card, any help? |
| 06:48.35 | themill | malajunta: "grub-install /dev/sdX" should do it for you. |
| 06:48.41 | malajunta | as in, how do I install boot on my hdd? |
| 06:48.47 | malajunta | omg thanks themill |
| 06:48.47 | themill | (and yay, yet another interesting failure mode from unetbootin!) |
| 06:49.01 | malajunta | lol it's handy |
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| 06:49.04 | themill | btw next time, don't use unetbootin. It's a persistent troublemaker |
| 06:49.25 | malajunta | is it? i can do it all over again just to know how |
| 06:49.40 | malajunta | what should I use? |
| 06:49.59 | themill | you should be able to fix this easily enough. Quite often unetbootin-produced usb sticks fail halfway through the install |
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| 06:50.29 | themill | malajunta: the instructions in the release notes work quite well http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 |
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| 06:51.41 | malajunta | yeah, dumb people never read manual |
| 06:51.43 | malajunta | lol |
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| 06:52.25 | themill | it'd be nice if, given unetbootin is so popular, it worked :S |
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| 06:52.49 | malajunta | well, tbh it is the 1st time it gets funky on me |
| 06:53.19 | themill | yeah, lots of people say that in here... |
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| 06:54.55 | malajunta | i'm getting "cannot stat `/dev/sd1'" error |
| 06:55.19 | themill | that doesn't sound like the right device to be using |
| 06:55.51 | buu | Is there anyway to ask a terminal how wide it thinks it is? |
| 06:55.56 | malajunta | i tried them all lol |
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| 06:56.54 | themill | malajunta: it's more likely to be /dev/sda. You should work it out by looking at /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 06:57.46 | themill | buu: echo $COLUMNS |
| 06:57.59 | malajunta | ok i'm gonna reboot brb |
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| 07:00.09 | malajunta | it worked! but you already knew that, thanks themill |
| 07:00.26 | themill | :) |
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| 07:05.53 | tkl2 | Hello |
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| 07:06.51 | tkl2 | I have some trouble with a data recovery |
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| 07:08.19 | gabo | ~ |
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| 07:09.42 | tkl2 | I have a Windows HDD 250GB which works mostly. When i try to copy the data from this hdd to another it crahses. |
| 07:10.20 | tkl2 | I have tried to do a backup with dd but this one fails also |
| 07:10.22 | mumpitze1 | tkl2: what command do you run and what is the full output? |
| 07:10.33 | mumpitze1 | use ddrescue instead |
| 07:10.38 | tkl2 | I/O error after 90 Gigs copied with dd |
| 07:10.42 | gabo | tkl2, try with rsync maybe |
| 07:10.51 | tkl2 | But it´s a NTFS |
| 07:11.14 | tkl2 | So what now ddrescue or rsync |
| 07:11.17 | mumpitze1 | tkl2: use ddrescue, it continues after I/O errors |
| 07:11.22 | tkl2 | ok |
| 07:11.32 | ChrisH | tkl2: I assume you do not have any backup... so assuming the data is not important. |
| 07:11.42 | tkl2 | ddrescue if=/dev/sdb2 of=/media/backup.img??? |
| 07:12.06 | tkl2 | CrisH: Well it´s not my hdd, but the data is important |
| 07:12.12 | tkl2 | I do my backup´s with rsync :) |
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| 07:12.46 | tkl2 | mumpitzel: ddrescue if=/dev/sdb2 of=/media/backup.img <--- correct ? |
| 07:12.48 | gabo | i have a question, i'm actually on Debian Stable, and i'm thinking of giving it Testing a try. Just changing stable for testing in sources.list and then do a safe-upgrade will do the job? NOTE: it's my first OS and a production machine. |
| 07:12.58 | ChrisH | tkl2: use a logfile man ddrescue |
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| 07:13.59 | tkl2 | Crish: Logfile? It´s a HDD from aLaptop that i have never seen before, and the person who use it has no clue about Linux |
| 07:14.00 | ChrisH | gabo: I do not recommend testing under that option. Consider using a VM for initial tests with Debian testing or unstable. |
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| 07:14.35 | tkl2 | gabo: Stable is boring but safe and when it come´s to the point boring is quite better ;) |
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| 07:14.58 | gabo | ChrisH, thanks. So after that it's more convenient do a full reinstall with the testing repos enables in first instance.. |
| 07:15.02 | gabo | tkl2, thanks |
| 07:15.14 | mumpitze1 | gabo: you cannot downgrade your then testing installation to stable anymore. use a chroot or a VM |
| 07:15.33 | gabo | mumpitze1, i see. thanks. |
| 07:15.41 | mumpitze1 | tkl2: not correct. man ddrescue |
| 07:16.22 | ChrisH | tkl2: ddrescue if=/dev/sdb2 of=/media/backup.img logfile ; this will help ddrescue to restart in case of IO error |
| 07:16.55 | tkl2 | ok |
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| 07:17.42 | ChrisH | tkl2: but do set the expecations correct! A broken disk is broken. Using different tools will not make it a sane disk! |
| 07:18.38 | tkl2 | Crhish: right, but it´t my boss so i have to try everything i can |
| 07:18.47 | redhead | tkl2: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html <- read it carefully |
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| 07:19.09 | ChrisH | tkl2: the rules for backup are the same, even for your boss. |
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| 07:19.37 | Shadur | gabo: To upgrade from stable to testing you'll need dist-upgrade, I think |
| 07:19.40 | tkl2 | ChrisH: I guess you are right but what shall i do :=? |
| 07:20.01 | ChrisH | tkl2: Be honest to your boss. |
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| 07:21.04 | tkl2 | ChrisH: right but eventhough i have to try everything first |
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| 07:21.17 | buu | tkl2: does that include $1000 recovery services? |
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| 07:21.37 | ChrisH | tkl2: From your domain you shpuld be able to understand artikel 4 from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Rheinische_Grundgesetz |
| 07:21.49 | tkl2 | buu: Good one |
| 07:22.30 | tkl2 | CriSh: Hab ich noch nicht gehört aber ist auch ne andere Region ;) |
| 07:22.44 | ChrisH | buu,tkl2 professional data recovery is the other option, I have no idea on the price, but 1000Eur seem to be resonable. |
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| 07:23.29 | bullgard4 | Wheezy [Gajim] One of my Jabber accounts does not function properly - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP: "Another type of gateway is a server-to-server gateway, which enables a non-XMPP server deployment to connect to native XMPP servers using the built in interdomain federation features of XMPP." What is meant by "federation" in XMPP? |
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| 07:27.52 | petern_ | bullgard4, server-to-server communication, the ability for users of one xmpp service to communicate with users of another xmpp service. |
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| 07:28.48 | petern_ | pretty damn useful feature but most people just stick with proprietory locked in chat servers or such like :( |
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| 07:31.05 | bullgard4 | petern_: I do deplore that only a few nerds do use XMPP. Their main argument is that their everyday friends do not use XMPP and thus they are leaving XMPP communication too. |
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| 07:32.11 | bullgard4 | petern_: Thank you for your help. |
| 07:33.21 | tkl2 | Well ddrescue seams to be good, i will give it a try. If it fails it fails... well it´s not my fault |
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| 07:54.38 | colo-work | I have an ordinary textfile (part of an mbox file, actually) which is in quoted-printable format. I'd like to convert it to plain text (latin1 or UTF-8). what's the best tool to use? |
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| 07:58.16 | lng | Hi! I need to add user for Gearman Job Server with no home directory, I use 'adduser --no-create-home gearman' command, but it is asking for gearman new password. Does this user need a password? |
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| 07:58.56 | mumpitze1 | lng: either it needs a password or needs not to be able to login at all (no shell) |
| 07:59.29 | mumpitze1 | if no login at all, only root can start processes under this username |
| 08:00.00 | petern_ | You probably want a --system user. |
| 08:00.16 | colo-work | found: qprint. works fine. |
| 08:00.24 | lng | petern_: I think so |
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| 08:02.53 | lng | petern_: thanks |
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| 08:03.42 | tcope | trying to use debootstrap with extra packages that reside on DVD's 1-3 .. with all three ISO mounted will debootstrap be able to navigate disc 2 - 3 if i just pass it the file:/mnt/disc-1 ? |
| 08:04.16 | mumpitze1 | tcope: why not install a base debian system first? |
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| 08:06.31 | rryoumaa | what does this mean? "msmtp: cannot write to TLS connection: Error in the push function." |
| 08:06.47 | tcope | is for chroot generated generated for clustered vnfs generation for pxe booting nodes .. need have as much automated as possible as pulled from mounted ISO's .. all scripting is writen just need tweeks for correct behaviors |
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| 08:07.47 | tcope | I am finalizing a robust debian framework for the warewulf project |
| 08:07.48 | mumpitze1 | tcope: then set up your own debian repo |
| 08:07.57 | mumpitze1 | and use somthing like imaging or FAI |
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| 08:10.30 | tcope | so no simple way to use debootstrap with multiple mounted ISO with repackaging or imaging ? |
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| 08:10.40 | tcope | errr without |
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| 08:14.45 | lng | petern_: user was cretaed with no group. Do I just need to create gearman group as well? |
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| 08:17.53 | lng | petern_: solved |
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| 08:19.30 | trurl | i installed nullmailer, set adminaddress to my desired recipient but still wonder: why isn't there an /etc/aliases? Can i simply add one and map local users to root? |
| 08:20.27 | buu | Why does man bash give more readline stuff than man Readline? |
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| 08:23.55 | me-1 | hi...is it safe to use netselect-apt to find fastest mirror..? |
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| 08:24.49 | CharSet | 1 Server: ubuntu server / 2 clients: a) runs ubuntu, its locale is ca_es@utf8 b) runs debian (crunchbang), its locale is set to ca_es@UTF-8 / a) mounts a samba device with proper charset with a mount command with no iocharset set - b) doesn't, even it doesn't trying all iso5589 possibilites or utf8 ---- CAN'T find anything in google....I need help, please. |
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| 08:25.36 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 08:25.36 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 08:27.34 | ompaul | CharSet: I point to the previous line about it not being a debian issue, I have a little sympathy for you summed up in the following: ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 08:30.21 | CharSet | ompaul: I've seen dpkg message...so i immediately joined #crunchbang and explained my issue....however, i can't understand what you mean by "I have a little sympathy for you summed up in the following: ttf-mscorefonts-installer" |
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| 08:31.11 | ompaul | it's called have you got sufficient various fonts installed there is a delta between the font handling of one and the other |
| 08:31.35 | ompaul | ones which support whatever the windows stuff is offering |
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| 08:32.39 | CharSet | ompaul: you mean I might be using a font who doesn't show characters properly? |
| 08:33.35 | ompaul | CharSet: I guess that's what I mean, and now I stop talking about it. |
| 08:34.20 | CharSet | ompaul: maybe you could keep on talking on #crunchbang? |
| 08:34.21 | CharSet | lol |
| 08:34.45 | ompaul | not a hope |
| 08:34.50 | ompaul | I'm in enough channels |
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| 08:35.00 | ompaul | ##linux maybe |
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| 08:39.32 | boudiccas | i'm getting this emailed to me - /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin: mkdir /var/lib/spamassassin/3.003002: Permission denied at /usr/bin/sa-update line 834 sa-update failed for unknown reasons - from cron.daily. but, what does it mean? i've looked at all the relevant places, but nothing glaringly obvious shows itself |
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| 08:42.53 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: what is line 834 in this file? |
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| 08:44.20 | petern_ | Hmm, anyone familiar with virsh? I can use virt-manager remotely via my user, but when I log in directly and attempt to use virsh, I have to sudo. I don't get it :S |
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| 08:44.53 | boudiccas | mumpitze1; if (!mkpath([$UPDDir], 0, 0777)) { |
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| 08:45.29 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: and said mkpath function is what causes the error |
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| 08:45.54 | mumpitze1 | it tries to create a directory and it is denied. most probably a permissions issue |
| 08:46.06 | boudiccas | mumpitze1; hmm. sounds like i need to file a bug report then. thanks |
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| 08:47.37 | b0lt | I have a repository set up with mini-dinstall with a debian-esque model of unstable, testing and stable. How does one go about migrating a package from "testing" to "stable" once it's verified? |
| 08:48.13 | ChrisH | boudiccas: can you run it manually to get the error? From the code above using -D will show ehich DIR it tries to create. I assume it will exists already with incorrect permissions or as file. |
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| 08:48.40 | boudiccas | ChrisH; k, thanks, hang on |
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| 08:52.21 | boudiccas | ChrisH; http://paste.debian.net/55010/ |
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| 08:53.27 | [E]sc | when i use dolphin to upload or download files into my usb, it forces me to close the file manager before i can umount the usb key, is this a bug or a security feature or something? is there a way around this because its kind of annoying? |
| 08:53.49 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: then check the directory mentioned in line 42 |
| 08:53.56 | themill | [E]sc: do you have the little terminal open at the bottom? |
| 08:54.23 | [E]sc | themill, yes i have that |
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| 08:55.01 | themill | So that terminal means that you have processes using the mount point. Either close it or just navigate away to a different directory first |
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| 08:55.38 | [E]sc | that was a ridiculously easy solution... thanks themill |
| 08:55.43 | themill | np |
| 08:56.06 | ChrisH | boudiccas: The error from the past is different from the error you showed before. |
| 08:56.54 | boudiccas | mumpitze1; there is no '/etc/spamassassin/sa-update-keys'. how do i get the permissions to display on the command-line please? |
| 08:57.16 | mumpitze1 | ls -l |
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| 08:59.41 | boudiccas | mumpitze1; thanks, i'll make a note of that for future reference - ls -l /etc gives drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 26 13:58 spamassassin |
| 09:00.05 | b0lt | I am trying to properly migrade a package from "testing" to "stable" in my local mini-dinstall repository. Any hints on how to do this? Or on what this process is actually called so I can properly google it? |
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| 09:01.45 | boudiccas | and there is no '$opt{gpghomedir}'. all seems very convoluted |
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| 09:02.33 | gnarface | b0lt: you want the maintainer's guide i think... but the answer might just be "compile again for stable" |
| 09:02.44 | gnarface | dpkg: tell b0lt about nmg |
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| 09:11.14 | boudiccas | and the whole process completes when the directories permissions are changed to 'drwxr-xrwx' |
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| 09:12.31 | sobczyk | hi, why dpkg-shlibdeps shows warning for some libraries not found, but errors for other? |
| 09:13.09 | gnarface | boudiccas: don't do that |
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| 09:13.47 | boudiccas | gnarface; how else then can i get it to complete, and then file a bug report please? |
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| 09:15.21 | themill | b0lt: I've never used mini-dinstall (reprepro seems to be more popular these days); looking at the mini-dinstall man page, it looks like you'd need to re-upload the package to the new distribution |
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| 09:15.48 | boudiccas | [i have though, just changed the permissions back again though!] |
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| 09:17.16 | gnarface | boudiccas: you want to figure out why its wrong, not why its failing |
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| 09:18.20 | gnarface | boudiccas: for starters, why are you cronning spamassassin updates? |
| 09:18.33 | gnarface | boudiccas: you wrote /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin yourself right? |
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| 09:19.03 | themill | ,file /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin |
| 09:19.06 | judd | Search for /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin in wheezy/i386: spamassassin: etc/cron.daily/spamassassin |
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| 09:20.09 | gnarface | hmmm... |
| 09:21.14 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:21.20 | gnarface | but its disabled by default |
| 09:21.43 | boudiccas | gnarface; nope, not guilty |
| 09:21.54 | gnarface | boudiccas: did you make any changes to yours other than changing CRON=0 to something other than 0? |
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| 09:23.23 | boudiccas | gnarface; nope, but, i do have an external crontab at /home/boudiccas/cron/boudiccas.crontab |
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| 09:23.59 | boudiccas | and i haven't touched CRON=0 at all. don't even know where it is |
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| 09:24.24 | themill | wait.... what user is that running as? |
| 09:25.04 | boudiccas | themill; boudiccas.crontab runs as $USER = me =boudiccas |
| 09:25.19 | themill | and you're hoping that's going to be able to write to /etc? |
| 09:26.00 | boudiccas | themill; but i haven't touched spamassassin or its rules, it does not feature in my crontab |
| 09:26.48 | gnarface | i'm pretty sure its not supposed to be writing to /etc either |
| 09:26.56 | gnarface | its supposed to be writing to /var/lib/spamassassin |
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| 09:29.12 | boudiccas | this is boudiccas.crontab - http://paste.debian.net/55038/ |
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| 09:29.58 | guardian | Hello I need some help. I'm root on a virtual debian wheezy which has its disks mounted with iscsi. The admin of the infrastructure tells me I get shitty perfs because the kernel is not a Xen one. The kernel is: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 09:30.09 | guardian | I'm surprised, I thought 3.2 somehow had xen built-in |
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| 09:30.12 | gnarface | madness |
| 09:30.31 | guardian | can someone please tell me which kernel I should install? I'm really not familiar with Xen etc |
| 09:30.52 | guardian | the admin told me the network interface is in emulation mode, hence the poor performance |
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| 09:32.27 | Pie_Mage | do you know if it's a pv domu or hvm? |
| 09:33.18 | Pie_Mage | if it's pv, as far as I understand it should have been built with a xen kernel, and if it's hvm it needs a full, standard kernel |
| 09:33.38 | gnarface | boudiccas: pastebin the output of: ls -la /var/lib/spamassassin/ |
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| 09:34.22 | guardian | Pie_Mage: pv. the current kernel, I got it when upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 09:36.02 | boudiccas | gnarface; http://paste.debian.net/55040/ |
| 09:36.18 | Pie_Mage | guardian: Linux esfa 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 13:49:30 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linu |
| 09:36.26 | Pie_Mage | hmmm |
| 09:36.27 | Pie_Mage | wait |
| 09:36.30 | Pie_Mage | that's not wheezy |
| 09:36.34 | Pie_Mage | :/ |
| 09:36.45 | guardian | and it's 2.6 |
| 09:37.03 | Pie_Mage | the kernel should look something like that, can't remember the package name |
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| 09:37.33 | guardian | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae this is my current kernel. It says it can run on a Xen hypervisor |
| 09:38.02 | Pie_Mage | yeah, probably because you have a pv |
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| 09:38.20 | gnarface | boudiccas: if you examine the /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin file, you'll likely find that it gets runs the writing processes as the user debian-spamd, which won't work on directories created from running sa-update manually as root |
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| 09:47.21 | boudiccas | gnarface; line 9 of the spamassassin file aforementioned says 'CRON=0', and also says '# Daily cronjob for SpamAssassin updates. This isn't pretty but it# should do the job.' and there are numerous references in the file to 'su debian-spamd' too, and this - http://paste.debian.net/55044/ - is the file |
| 09:47.58 | bezaban | for the record I have the same issue with spamassassin |
| 09:48.09 | bezaban | without any changes done after initial install |
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| 09:48.52 | gnarface | i, on the other hand do not, |
| 09:49.02 | gnarface | this script doesn't mysteriously run on my system |
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| 09:52.02 | bezaban | brb |
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| 09:54.32 | gnarface | boudiccas: well its a mystery to me. maybe try this to see if the errors go away: chown -R debian-spamd:debian-spamd /var/lib/spamassassin/* |
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| 09:57.00 | boudiccas_ | gnarface; thanks, i've chowned it, and will wait to see what happens when it kicks off tomorrow morning |
| 09:57.36 | boudiccas_ | unless, how do i get cron.daily to work from cli please? |
| 09:57.57 | gnarface | boudiccas_: there is also a CRON= setting in /etc/default/spamassassin that might be starting it, but i don't see how with CRON=0 in this file... |
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| 09:59.12 | gnarface | boudiccas_: you should just be able to run that script manually as root and see what happens when cron runs it... unless something is very, very wrong i would expect it to hit line 17 and then exit |
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| 09:59.46 | gnarface | boudiccas_: maybe you have another one on the system somewhere? the real question is have you been running sa-update as root or not? |
| 10:00.14 | gnarface | cause if you don't, then you have to find out why that happened too |
| 10:00.21 | gnarface | or this will still keep happening |
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| 10:01.53 | boudiccas_ | gnarface; i have never run sa-update manually, its all been run by the system, and am running 'sudo /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin' at the moment |
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| 10:02.48 | ksk | hey. |
| 10:03.18 | ksk | is there a way i can restore a packages default config via apt? (eg /etc/ssh/sshd_config ;) |
| 10:04.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell ksk -about confnew |
| 10:05.48 | ksk | thanks |
| 10:05.56 | babilen | ksk: If you only want to replace a single file I would simply grab it from the package directly. Grab it with "dget $PACKAGENAME" and unpack it to a temporary directory (which will be treated as root) with "dpkg -x the.deb /path/to/tmp". You can then pick the file you want from there. |
| 10:06.14 | ksk | good point. |
| 10:06.29 | babilen | Can't really think of a way to say "Restore file FOO to defaults" right now, but there might exist one and other people could be aware of it. |
| 10:07.51 | babilen | If you do this often it shouldn't be too hard to script the procedure I outlines above with apt-file and proper temporary directory creation with "mktemp -d". |
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| 10:08.08 | babilen | *outlined |
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| 10:08.40 | ksk | babilen: "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/ssh/sshd_config" *confused* |
| 10:08.48 | ksk | but have to go now, will look at that later. many thanks though. |
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| 10:09.12 | gnarface | boudiccas: well i always run mine manually and i still don't have this problem so its... weird for sure |
| 10:09.53 | gnarface | boudiccas: you said this was a fresh install or an upgrade? |
| 10:10.24 | gnarface | not that i would expect it to even matter as mine is an upgrade... |
| 10:11.05 | gnarface | didn't have that problem in squeeze either |
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| 10:11.54 | babilen | ksk: That particular file is created during the postinst of openssh-server (cf. /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst), but an example is shipped in usr/share/doc/openssh-client/examples/sshd_config which should be easier to grab. |
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| 10:14.34 | boudiccas | gnarface; fresh install, and it just hangs whether i run 'sudo /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin' or '/etc/cron.daily/spamassassin' or 'sudo /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin -D' or '/etc/cron.daily/spamassassin --help' |
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| 10:17.09 | gnarface | pretty weird indeed |
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| 10:19.08 | DotHack | boudiccas: try bash -x /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin |
| 10:19.09 | b0lt | how can I remove a gpg clearsign signature from a text file (preferably not manually) |
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| 10:34.05 | babilen | b0lt: Why don't you ask #gnupg? |
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| 10:37.02 | OnceMe | how can I have two IP ranges? I have ifcfg-eth0-range0 and IP_ADDR_START=** and END IP. However ifcfg-eth0-range1 brings me an error. I tried to make eth1, but no success |
| 10:37.21 | jelly | OnceMe: #debian ? |
| 10:37.50 | OnceMe | ? |
| 10:38.07 | jelly | OnceMe: which distro are you using, Debian does not have ifcfg |
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| 10:38.35 | OnceMe | I use centos |
| 10:38.56 | jelly | OnceMe: ask in #centos channel, please |
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| 10:50.55 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 10:50.55 | dpkg | <ranix> there *was* no other phone with a querty keypad at the time |
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| 11:23.23 | grammoby2 | :/home/rsnapshot/dochost/hourly.0/dirksdocs/home/derick/NSM\ Sessions/compose . |
| 11:23.38 | grammoby2 | scp: /home/rsnapshot/dochost/hourly.0/dirksdocs/home/derick/NSM: No such file or directory |
| 11:23.38 | grammoby2 | scp: Sessions/compose: No such file or directory |
| 11:23.42 | grammoby2 | huh |
| 11:24.01 | grammoby2 | backslash should work right |
| 11:24.17 | jelly | grammoby2: scp invokes a shell on the remote side, you have to escape things twice |
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| 11:24.34 | _pal_ | hi all |
| 11:24.50 | _pal_ | I'd like to extract files from iso images with mc |
| 11:25.01 | _pal_ | but it copies them with 0 size |
| 11:25.21 | _pal_ | maybe there is some package needed to install? |
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| 11:25.38 | mav | _pal_: loopmount it and copy from mountpath? |
| 11:26.00 | _pal_ | I know |
| 11:26.03 | _pal_ | but it's awkward |
| 11:26.13 | _pal_ | I'd like to do it with mc |
| 11:26.20 | _pal_ | just as with any other archive |
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| 11:26.31 | grammoby2 | jelly, how to do that twice? |
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| 11:26.36 | _pal_ | but it seems I'm missing something |
| 11:26.44 | grimeton | _pal_: is the image ok? |
| 11:26.45 | _pal_ | like installing genisoimage for browsing iso |
| 11:27.06 | _pal_ | grimeton: yes, file listing is with actual sizes |
| 11:27.15 | grammoby2 | :/home/rsnapshot/dochost/hourly.0/dirksdocs/home/derick/NSM\ Sessions/ /home/derick/NSM\ Sessions |
| 11:27.17 | _pal_ | but F3 gives just empty file |
| 11:27.23 | grimeton | _pal_: check if the iso image itself is fine, just a working fat doesn't help |
| 11:27.24 | grammoby2 | does not work either |
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| 11:27.43 | grimeton | grammoby2: "/foo/bar/foo bar/bleh/blah" |
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| 11:28.22 | _pal_ | grimeton: how else I can do that? it seems to be fine |
| 11:28.31 | _pal_ | at least file listing in mc |
| 11:28.34 | grimeton | _pal_: check if the md5 sum matches the one on the website |
| 11:29.44 | jelly | grammoby2: the simplest thing to do is both quote and escape things, so something like scp -pr remote:"/home/rsnapshot/dochost/hourly.0/dirksdocs/home/derick/NSM\ Sessions/" . |
| 11:30.42 | grammoby2 | jelly, seems to work, thx |
| 11:31.05 | _pal_ | grimeton: already did, seems to be ok |
| 11:31.16 | grimeton | _pal_: then something else is wrong - no idea - sorry |
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| 11:31.31 | _pal_ | grimeton: ok, so it can't be missing package? |
| 11:31.37 | grimeton | don't think so |
| 11:31.45 | _pal_ | hmm, ok |
| 11:31.49 | _pal_ | anyway, thanks |
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| 11:47.52 | tschundeee | I want to install a package from launchpad.net on debian: https://launchpad.net/~julien-rosener/+archive/digitalscratch |
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| 11:48.04 | tschundeee | I get a 404 after adding the repo as described |
| 11:48.16 | ompaul | so it does not exist on the server :) |
| 11:48.21 | tschundeee | I'm on wheezy |
| 11:48.25 | ompaul | which is good cos it might break your box |
| 11:48.40 | grimeton | tschundeee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_404 |
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| 11:49.22 | tschundeee | grimeton: I know the definition of 404. I just thought that maybe it works for ubuntu and not for debian |
| 11:49.35 | grimeton | no, 404 is distro independent |
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| 11:50.07 | tschundeee | grimeton: any idea how I could install packages from here: https://launchpad.net/~julien-rosener/+archive/digitalscratch |
| 11:50.09 | tschundeee | ? |
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| 11:50.22 | jelly | tschundeee: are you sure that person has binary packages build for Debian at all? |
| 11:50.35 | grimeton | tschundeee: not sure you want to mix up ubuntu packages with your debian box |
| 11:50.36 | tschundeee | jelly: he built some for ubunut |
| 11:50.47 | jelly | tschundeee: right. |
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| 11:50.59 | jelly | tschundeee: I don't see anything mentioning Debian tho |
| 11:51.07 | tschundeee | usually ubuntu and debian should be similar, right? |
| 11:51.30 | grimeton | tschundeee: i hate to burst that bubble: no |
| 11:51.39 | jelly | tschundeee: similar, yes. Able to use other's binary packages? No. |
| 11:51.54 | tschundeee | hmmm |
| 11:52.36 | jelly | build the thing from source. If you're luck you _might_ be able to build it via deb-src repo source packages. |
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| 11:52.47 | jelly | lucky* |
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| 11:54.16 | tschundeee | jelly: is this the right file: https://launchpad.net/~julien-rosener/+archive/digitalscratch/+files/libkeyfinder_0.11.0-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz |
| 11:54.39 | jelly | tschundeee: that, and .orig.tar.gz and .dsc |
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| 11:55.36 | tschundeee | jelly: now that those three are on my server, what to do with them now? |
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| 11:56.00 | jelly | something like |
| 11:56.03 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 11:56.04 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 11:57.09 | jelly | but if you've manually downloaded the sources, instead of first three steps you'll have to dpkg-source -x foo.dsc |
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| 11:57.25 | tschundeee | jelly: okay I'll try that out now |
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| 12:01.27 | tschundeee | dpkg-source "command not found" |
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| 12:06.24 | tschundeee | okay I forgot that my new server didn't have build essentials |
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| 12:08.22 | kr1z | is back (gone 00:35:59) |
| 12:09.41 | jelly | you'll have to manually install the build-dependencies when dpkg-buildpackage fails |
| 12:09.47 | tschundeee | jelly: btw thx for your support :) |
| 12:10.02 | jelly | and if there are ubuntu-specific build-deps, you're SOL |
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| 12:14.00 | casus | hi guys |
| 12:14.11 | casus | do you know how can I send udp packets every X seconds to another ip address? |
| 12:15.09 | tschundeee | jelly: I did the dpkg-source -x foo.dsc command and there were no errors. what is the next step? |
| 12:15.29 | jelly | tschundeee: continue with step 4) |
| 12:15.44 | tschundeee | okay |
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| 12:15.49 | Man | hi |
| 12:15.51 | Man | i need |
| 12:16.07 | Man | how to bag a bag from china town and bag it back to japan |
| 12:17.00 | vipzrx | I am in China |
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| 12:25.01 | SlaSerX | hi |
| 12:25.01 | SlaSerX | :) |
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| 12:45.57 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 12:45.58 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
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| 12:49.11 | ksk | hey guyse |
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| 12:50.29 | ksk | can i use sha512 hashed passwords with salt and mulitple rounds? this hash would be like " $6$rounds=xx$salt$secret" but "man 3 crypt" does not say anything about that rounds parameter - is it possible? |
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| 12:55.10 | Slagwag | hmm reluctantly used debian for something |
| 12:55.16 | Slagwag | and it worked better then another os |
| 12:55.17 | Slagwag | :) |
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| 13:00.33 | maxyz | ksk: pam_unix supports rounds, you might want to check that code. |
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| 13:06.23 | denny | hi, how would I find out what Perl version is standard on Debian 4, 5 and 6? looking at a job spec and wondering how scared to be :) |
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| 13:08.43 | ksk | maxyz: you are right, it works fine. thanks! |
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| 13:16.41 | maxyz | ksk: 6 is oldstable you can check the version of the perl package in the Package file for oldstable in any mirror. 5 and 4 can be found in archive.debian.org |
| 13:16.58 | maxyz | ksk: Sorry, wrong ping |
| 13:16.59 | bezaban | ,versions perl |
| 13:17.00 | maxyz | denny: ^ |
| 13:17.00 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.14.2-21+deb7u1; jessie: 5.18.1-4; sid: 5.18.1-4 |
| 13:17.39 | bezaban | ah, that old |
| 13:17.46 | denny | maxyz: thank you |
| 13:18.44 | jelly | denny: Debian 4 and 5 are EOLd, however: Debian 4 had 5.8.8, Debian 5 had 5.10.0 |
| 13:18.48 | denny | at least people have moved on from 5.8.8 now :) |
| 13:18.51 | denny | ah |
| 13:18.56 | denny | spoke too soon :D |
| 13:19.04 | jelly | Debian 6 is "squeeze" |
| 13:19.05 | denny | yeah, it's a university job, they always have the best in stale tech :) |
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| 13:19.29 | ChibaPet | Oh, I was trying to ask dpkg ,versions, and it was telling me I was stupid. judd, judd. Got it. |
| 13:19.55 | jelly | that'll teach you to write code for 5.008 as $DEITY indented |
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| 13:20.17 | ChibaPet | Sacrilege. 5.006 is the blessed version. |
| 13:20.21 | denny | maybe I should advise they install a perlbrew on each machine. 107 servers though, ack. |
| 13:20.30 | jelly | dpkg: kill ChibaPet |
| 13:20.30 | dpkg | chops ChibaPet's head off with a large lead pipe |
| 13:21.07 | jelly | that pipe must've had an interesting profile |
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| 13:23.46 | jelly | denny: and don't ask me how I found the exact versions out |
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| 13:24.04 | ChibaPet | hehe |
| 13:25.08 | brahman | Morning, I am building debian binary packages to deploy mt own code. All is working although the signing of the final packages does not appear to be occuring (I am checking with dpkg-sig --list package.deb). Do I need to explicitly sign the packages with dpkg-sig or is dpkg-buildpackage suppose to sign the final package? I ask because the docs only mention signing the .dsc file. |
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| 13:35.21 | SuperNull | when did /var/run move to /run ? |
| 13:35.35 | SuperNull | just surprised me a little seeing it |
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| 13:40.30 | local | hello all. Does "apt-file" use the information of "/etc/apt/apt.conf" proxy settings, if it exists? |
| 13:40.55 | local | or do I need to specify the proxy settings for apt-file on a separate file something like /etc/apt-file.conf ? |
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| 13:44.59 | testavcg | hi |
| 13:45.17 | ksk | maxyz: no problem ;) |
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| 13:48.27 | yogg | Hi |
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| 13:50.22 | srhb | Does anyone have experience tuning /proc/sys/vm/* stuff? I'm having problems with the dirty page settings, despite having dirty_writeback_centisecs set to 60000 I notice writes approximately every five seconds or so. |
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| 13:50.27 | srhb | According to iotop at least. |
| 13:50.54 | yogg | I try to write a start script for a java program, but I fail on stopping it. I use "start-stop-daemon ... --exec mydaemon.sh". This works fine on start, but if I stop this only the "mydaemon.sh" gets killed. The child java process survies :( |
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| 13:51.17 | yogg | what would be a good way to stop the child (first) and then the parent? |
| 13:52.07 | srhb | yogg: Assuming they share a process group, you could just kill that. |
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| 13:53.59 | petn-randall | srhb: What are you trying to solve? |
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| 13:54.15 | kvnxp | hi . i need help with nvidia .. i have installed nvidia driver but. in nvidia config panel say .. |
| 13:54.17 | kvnxp | You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver Please edit your X configuration file (just run nvidia-xconfig as root), and restart the X server |
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| 13:55.20 | srhb | petn-randall: I am trying to make Linux write data to disk less frequently. |
| 13:55.27 | petn-randall | kvnxp: Have you tried https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers yet? |
| 13:55.36 | srhb | petn-randall: I have a buttload of RAM and I assume it's cheaper power-wise to keep it there for the longest time possible. |
| 13:55.52 | srhb | Or at least I'd like to test that theory. :-) |
| 13:56.24 | petn-randall | srhb: programs calling fsync() will still force the data to be written to disk, so your gain will be rather small. |
| 13:56.35 | kvnxp | thnks . i will read..to try .. |
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| 13:56.54 | kvnxp | i have debian sid installed by bootstrap |
| 13:56.56 | petn-randall | srhb: Your RAM will still work as read cache, though. |
| 13:57.19 | brahman | ok, found some docs which suggest manually signing the package using dpkg-sig and then using SignWith: yes in the repo config file. This works but is it following best practices? |
| 13:57.31 | petn-randall | kvnxp: sid is supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, not here. I've heard that the nvidia drivers don't work because of the xserver transition. |
| 13:57.36 | srhb | petn-randall: That's annoying. Can't I make linux ignore calls to fsync? |
| 13:58.06 | petn-randall | srhb: You sure can, but you'll thrash a lot of data if your system ever crashes. |
| 13:58.15 | srhb | petn-randall: That's fine. How do I do it? |
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| 13:58.32 | petn-randall | srhb: Look into the package 'eatmydata' |
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| 13:58.48 | srhb | petn-randall: Thanks! |
| 13:58.51 | petn-randall | srhb: ... and make frequent backups. |
| 13:59.01 | srhb | petn-randall: Of course :-) |
| 13:59.09 | kvnxp | petn-randall: thnks ! |
| 13:59.30 | petn-randall | srhb: If you corrupt your package list you can probably reinstall your system. |
| 13:59.59 | babilen | brahman: I'd recommend #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:00.05 | srhb | petn-randall: I have a nice image ready if I trash it. :-) |
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| 14:00.52 | petn-randall | srhb: That's the spirit! |
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| 14:06.55 | casus | do you know why doing this command: while :;do echo "hello" sleep 1 ;done >/dev/udp/192.168.1.20/28347 (that's my address) |
| 14:07.11 | casus | while, if I put another address there are no problems |
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| 14:08.32 | Rydekull | casus: reread your own question and tell me if it makes sense |
| 14:09.53 | casus | Rydekull: sorry, I missed the error message |
| 14:09.56 | casus | the error message is: |
| 14:10.09 | casus | "bash: echo: write error: Connection refused" |
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| 14:16.16 | unr3al011 | hello, i want to use a 2nd pc as firewall and want to connect my 1st pc to my 2nd pc via lan cable. how can i make, that pc1 has internet over pc2's lan card? |
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| 14:18.05 | ctmjr | unr3al011, you need 2 nic's on the firewall pc |
| 14:18.34 | unr3al011 | yeah i have onboard lan and i want to get an additional network card for the firewall pc |
| 14:18.46 | unr3al011 | is it then simple plug in and it works or do i have to do some configurations? |
| 14:18.55 | Sevet | ctmjr: configure iptables and enable ip forwarding |
| 14:18.58 | grimeton | unr3al011: best case: plug 'n play |
| 14:19.03 | grimeton | unr3al011: worst case: plug 'n pray |
| 14:19.10 | unr3al011 | okay |
| 14:19.13 | unr3al011 | sounds simple |
| 14:19.26 | unr3al011 | now i only have to get my network card running... it will not work |
| 14:19.39 | grimeton | unr3al011: before you buy: check for a supported card |
| 14:19.53 | unr3al011 | yeah the problem is the crappy pc |
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| 14:20.06 | unr3al011 | i cannot run a 32 bit os,, but a 64 bit os works... |
| 14:20.28 | grimeton | unr3al011: yeah on linux that shouldn't matter when it comes to card support. a simple realtek should do the trick |
| 14:20.41 | unr3al011 | yeah |
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| 14:21.28 | unr3al011 | i wonder why the card doesn't work... |
| 14:21.36 | unr3al011 | it cannot believe its broken |
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| 14:22.48 | unr3al011 | it doesnt get an ip via dhcp |
| 14:23.08 | grimeton | unr3al011: there are a zillion reasons why that isn't working ... |
| 14:23.21 | unr3al011 | yeah i know :D |
| 14:23.24 | unr3al011 | sry for that :P |
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| 14:24.54 | yogg | was there a change in "update-rc.d"? If I call "update-rc.d mydaemon defaults 99" I get "S01mydaemon" in "/etc/rc2.d"? Why the 99 gets ignored? |
| 14:25.18 | Sevet | unr3al011: try a static ip to take dhcp out of the equation briefly. check if your specific nic needs nonfree firmware. |
| 14:25.41 | unr3al011 | mhh |
| 14:25.43 | jelly | yogg: perhaps you have that init script parallelization thing enabled (default in wheezy) |
| 14:25.53 | unr3al011 | yeah i am not quite sure if it is even recognized by the system |
| 14:26.22 | Sevet | lspci - is it in the list? |
| 14:26.41 | yogg | jelly: so it useless to set it to 99 because it get startet paralell with all other processes? |
| 14:26.49 | jelly | yeah |
| 14:27.01 | jelly | (as fas as I understand it) |
| 14:27.09 | petn-randall | yogg: Does the init script have LSB headers? |
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| 14:27.36 | unr3al011 | yeah i think so, its an rtl8101e/rtl8102e |
| 14:27.38 | yogg | petn-randall: yes |
| 14:28.03 | yogg | ahh i can use the "Required-Start" option? |
| 14:28.58 | unr3al011 | but i only got eth0 in my "ifconfig" the card should be eth1 then but it is not mentioned there |
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| 14:29.50 | brahman | babilen: thanks for this, will join the channel. |
| 14:30.25 | Man | alala |
| 14:30.26 | Man | hi |
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| 14:30.53 | Man | hio |
| 14:30.56 | Man | i need help |
| 14:30.57 | Man | lie |
| 14:31.28 | Man | /msg dpkg 7.1 |
| 14:31.49 | halt | hi guys, I just installed debian on a small intel based box, and the vga does not seams to work, i can see the bios, and even the grub menu show correctly, but after that I can see few more lines and it's gone, i guess on that time it's load something what should not ( it's 8.0 standard install ) how should i start debugging this issue ? |
| 14:32.26 | Rydekull | halt: do you have more then one graphics card in that machine? |
| 14:33.06 | halt | Rydekull: only one, but two output, one hdmi and one vga but that is a good idea, let me plug it into the hdmi |
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| 14:33.49 | Walex2 | halt: note that Debian version 8 does not exist yet. |
| 14:34.14 | unr3al011 | grimeton, sevet: got it now, i hat to make an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:34.17 | halt | Walex2: ok then testing if you like |
| 14:34.38 | unr3al011 | *had |
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| 14:35.21 | Walex2 | halt: in that case there is another channel to discuss your testing of the "testing" archive, one suitable for the advanced system administrators who may want to help with debugging an unreleased distribution... |
| 14:35.25 | mumpitze1 | halt: what videocard? |
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| 14:37.26 | yogg | petn-randall jelly: thx. "Required-Start: $all" does the trick |
| 14:37.39 | halt | mumpitze1: it's an intel n200 |
| 14:37.49 | jelly | heh |
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| 14:38.22 | jelly | wonders what happens when two services depend on $all |
| 14:38.33 | halt | Rydekull: your gues was correct it's send output on a wrong interface, same card but hdmi and not vga, how could i setup the default of that ? |
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| 14:39.28 | Rydekull | halt: I'd do the install and then adjust it afterwards |
| 14:40.04 | halt | Rydekull: install of what ? |
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| 14:40.36 | Rydekull | halt: oh, you _had_ installed it. Running gnome? You should be able to adjust it with gnomes own utils |
| 14:41.02 | halt | Rydekull: no no i do not need x the consle is more then enoght |
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| 14:44.09 | Rydekull | halt: Hmm. Interesting. I actually dont know just straight away. But. Easiest solution would just to see if you can disable your hdmi in your BIOS/UEFI and you ought to be set |
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| 14:44.54 | halt | Rydekull: good thinking, if i have an option for it i will do it that way |
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| 14:45.39 | halt | but if anyone know how you can setup the default output, I'm lisening |
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| 14:45.57 | grimeton | halt: bios? |
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| 14:46.26 | Rydekull | grimeton: its not bios that controls it |
| 14:46.42 | grimeton | Rydekull: i can set the primary interface in bios |
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| 14:46.51 | Rydekull | Well |
| 14:46.54 | grimeton | which is then set until it is overwritten by the driver |
| 14:46.59 | Rydekull | if you have two different cards I'd say |
| 14:47.06 | grimeton | no, one card, two outputs |
| 14:47.08 | Rydekull | But unsure when its the same card |
| 14:47.13 | Rydekull | oh? Well, I'll gladly give in |
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| 14:49.01 | halt | i have only one card for sure, just one on the motherboard it's an aleutia T1 |
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| 15:12.40 | casus | guys |
| 15:12.43 | mislav | How can I make text editors show unicode characters such as あ？ |
| 15:12.58 | casus | do you know how can I change the scheduling algorithm of all the threads of a process with chrt? |
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| 15:13.17 | casus | I have tried to use it on a process but it just change its priority not the one of the children |
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| 15:15.36 | metaphysician | mislav: tried installing the relevant fonts? |
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| 15:16.55 | casus | I have tried with this |
| 15:16.56 | casus | chrt -p 1 -r -a 25310 |
| 15:17.19 | casus | but no luck |
| 15:17.20 | mislav | metaphysician: iceweasel shows japanese just fine so i think i dont need fonts |
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| 15:19.19 | babilen | mislav: You have to have a font for that glyph installed. unifont is a very complete font, but for Japanese you might prefer fonts-ipafont, fonts-sawarabi-mincho, fonts-takao, xfonts-intl-japanese, … (apt-cache search japanese font) |
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| 15:23.31 | mislav | babilen: Now my text editor is suddenly localised to japanese but characters in text editing area are still not shown propertly... |
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| 15:26.43 | jelly | mislav: can you pastebin a sample file? Is it in UTF-8 or some other encoding? |
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| 15:27.26 | jelly | .jp has historically used a number of different encodings |
| 15:28.14 | mislav | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/55281/ I'm not sure about encoding |
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| 15:28.35 | babilen | mislav: Which editor is that? |
| 15:29.00 | mislav | babilen: geany |
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| 15:29.44 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:30.12 | babilen | mislav: That looks like an encoding problem; |
| 15:30.22 | mumpitze1 | is there a graphic linux harddisk tool which reads from the whole surface of a hdd, outer rings to innermost and displays the read speed in a graph? |
| 15:30.46 | babilen | mislav: What does "file -i /path/to/file" give you? |
| 15:31.06 | DexterF | sshed from another box (suse) into a deb7 box with -X, ran spotify (music thingy for those unaware), but the sound output is on the suse machine where I started the ssh -X from. why? |
| 15:31.15 | mislav | babilen: txt: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit |
| 15:31.21 | babilen | heh |
| 15:32.25 | ezra-s | DexterF, it is really executing in the remote machine, you are just seeing the screen, never heard of sound forwarding, neither sound is part of X |
| 15:33.07 | ezra-s | DexterF, maybe you want spotify to broadcast music somehow and grab it from whichever other machine/device you want to play it in |
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| 15:33.33 | DexterF | ezra-s: I'd like to figute how the sound came to the suse box in the first place :) |
| 15:33.37 | babilen | mislav: Guess you have to try different legacy encodings until you find the right one. |
| 15:33.41 | DexterF | I'll ask xorg... |
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| 15:34.24 | babilen | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/chardet might come in handy |
| 15:34.25 | ezra-s | DexterF, ohh, so I minsunderstood you |
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| 15:35.32 | mislav | thanks, i'll try them |
| 15:36.17 | babilen | mislav: You could just manually try EUC-JP, SHIFT_JIS, ISO-2022-JP though. |
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| 15:50.02 | jelly | Encode::Guess is in base perl in wheezy |
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| 15:54.51 | mislav | babilen: character map `SHIFT_JIS' is not ASCII compatible, locale not ISO C compliant....process:32489): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. :/ |
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| 15:58.47 | jelly | mislav: the "recode" tool might have more encodings than iconv |
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| 16:04.55 | DexterF | ezra-s: seems a pulse thing rather... |
| 16:04.58 | DexterF | gtg |
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| 16:08.19 | jelly | mislav: and your goal is to convert to UTF-8, not ASCII |
| 16:09.03 | icjs | mumpitze1, i used bonnie++ to do something similar, but with tables rather than graphs. it might have graphing capability. |
| 16:09.30 | icjs | and cmdline not gui-based, but it output results as html |
| 16:09.32 | mislav | jelly: tried. faild.... its really beyond me .. |
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| 16:10.10 | jelly | mislav: can you upload a sample of the file somewhere? |
| 16:10.46 | mislav | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/55281/ already did |
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| 16:12.13 | jelly | mislav: I'm not sure the pastebin and/or your browser has munged it further |
| 16:12.58 | mislav | jelly: i figured out recode tool, THANKS ALOT! bah i wish I knew about it hour ago.... |
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| 16:16.15 | ufael | what to do if install goes well but just after when reboot i get black screen and nothing else (disk got ejected automatically) ? |
| 16:17.11 | mumpitze1 | ufael: you get a grub boot menu? |
| 16:17.35 | mumpitze1 | icjs: I think gnome disk utility can do what I want, thanks |
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| 16:18.04 | ufael | i got nothing just black screen and disk ejected |
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| 16:18.19 | mumpitze1 | ufael: what is the last thing you get on screen |
| 16:18.21 | ufael | but install was ok |
| 16:19.10 | mumpitze1 | answer the question |
| 16:19.12 | ufael | last thing i got was message to reboot, i did ok, and then black screen and disk ejected |
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| 16:19.32 | mumpitze1 | when you boot, BIOS shows up on screen. what is the last thing you got on screen |
| 16:19.52 | mumpitze1 | if you don't get a BIOS screen, you didn't reboot. unplug and plug your computer back in again |
| 16:20.06 | jelly | mislav: did it work? recode sjis..utf8 < burek.txt|less seems sane (but I can't read .jp) |
| 16:20.33 | jelly | voice name="？？？" class="VID_MAY" src="voice/MAY_0000" mode="on"> |
| 16:20.33 | jelly | 「ねぇねぇ。なにブツブツ言ってるのー？」 |
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| 16:21.38 | ufael | install finished, then reboot, then black screen and disk ejected. thats all just black screen. should i try ctrl alt canc ? |
| 16:21.56 | mumpitze1 | you should do what I told you |
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| 16:22.39 | ufael | no risk of messing up the installation by doind so right? |
| 16:22.56 | iamarto | Hi everyone |
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| 16:23.14 | iamarto | Has anyone heard of Point Linux? |
| 16:23.21 | mtn | iamarto: no |
| 16:23.28 | mumpitze1 | iamarto: is point linux = debian? |
| 16:23.34 | mislav | jelly: hell yeah it worked! *eats that burek* |
| 16:23.42 | iamarto | Point Linux is Based on Debian Wheezy. |
| 16:23.57 | mumpitze1 | iamarto: then it's offtopic here. please stop |
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| 16:24.33 | iamarto | mumpitze1, are you a fanatic? |
| 16:24.39 | mumpitze1 | !based on debian |
| 16:24.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:25.07 | mumpitze1 | iamarto: this is a support channel ONLY. if you want to have OT conversations: #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:25.45 | mumpitze1 | iamarto: if you want to talk about linux in general: #linux |
| 16:25.56 | babilen | well, ##linux but yeah |
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| 16:26.17 | iamarto | mumpitze1, ok sorry. I'll go now but one more point.. Point Linux comes with MATE, what originally Debian 6.0 Stable came with, which was more stable than current Gnome version. Bye |
| 16:26.29 | ufael | mumpitzel please be nice to everybody, this kind of attitude in the support channel is part of the reason why i abandoned ubuntu... |
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| 16:26.39 | ufael | everything can be said in a nice way..... |
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| 16:26.57 | mumpitze1 | ufael: then you will abandon debian soon too. |
| 16:27.00 | ctmjr | i thought he was nice |
| 16:27.05 | ufael | lets always choose the nice way... |
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| 16:27.43 | babilen | Please, lets move on and be nice and friendly to each other. I think it was made clear that there is no interest in having every of the many distributions that are based on Debian advertised in here. |
| 16:27.54 | unborn | babilen, 1+ |
| 16:28.07 | ufael | no it's not the first time i come to the debian channel, but it's the first time i find that "ubuntu kindof style".... |
| 16:28.35 | ufael | i mean thanks for helping, but please make an effort of being nice |
| 16:28.42 | mumpitze1 | ufael: have a nice day solving your own problem. I (and imho you don't either) have time ranting about OT stuff when you have a serious support problem |
| 16:28.48 | unborn | ufael, debian is not ubuntu.. we are proudly different.. take it or go else where |
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| 16:29.02 | mumpitze1 | ufael: good luck with your dedbian installation |
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| 16:29.26 | unborn | guys just be intelligent :) thats all |
| 16:29.51 | NotJimCarrey | dunno if this has been approached before, but is there a way to have a program only show up in the notification area, and not the window buttons area? |
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| 16:30.01 | babilen | Seriously, guys. There is no need to take this further and to start getting irate or angry about things. Relax and join us in #debian-offtopic so we can concentrate on professional support in here. |
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| 16:32.32 | jelly | NotJimCarrey: yes, lots of apps can hide/disable their window and still keep the systray icon |
| 16:32.57 | NotJimCarrey | jelly: i'm speaking of XBMC spefically |
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| 16:33.17 | NotJimCarrey | I've looked, but haven't found a way yet |
| 16:33.29 | sover | 'morning. Having trouble finding a more general resource on how to set up and run an application from a chroot jail. I'm only finding resources on running a webserver from within one. Would you mind directing me or walking me through running a GUI browser (chromium) from a chroot environment? |
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| 16:34.08 | NotJimCarrey | I mean, I guess I could add an option in the source, but I wouldn't even know where to start |
| 16:34.39 | jelly | probably best to ask in their channel. As with many upstreams, there's a possibility you're going to be told "too old version" but |
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| 16:34.45 | jelly | one can try |
| 16:34.50 | ufael | in the ubuntu channel there are so many people that go there not to help newbies, but to feel good about themselves and their superior knowledge. let's be careful not to get this here at debian. let's truly care about others here. |
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| 16:35.20 | sover | ufael: It's really cool to hear that once in a while, wherever you go. |
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| 16:35.40 | NotJimCarrey | jelly: i run from git source, so definately not too old, and I've asked in there, but they're susally asleep, or something |
| 16:35.43 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 16:36.44 | jelly | be patient? :-) |
| 16:36.52 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 16:36.58 | NotJimCarrey | on irc? |
| 16:37.00 | NotJimCarrey | dammit |
| 16:37.02 | NotJimCarrey | haha |
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| 16:38.30 | jelly | takes note to delay any further comments to NotJimCarrey's questions by 15 minutes to test the patience levels |
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| 16:38.53 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 16:39.02 | mislav | lol |
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| 16:43.16 | sover | am I allowed to ask my question once more? |
| 16:43.17 | sover | ;) |
| 16:43.34 | NotJimCarrey | as long as jelly hasn't put you in timeout |
| 16:43.35 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 16:44.39 | petn-randall | sover: Putting a GUI application into a chroot is rather pointless as long as it can grab every input and output device on the machine. |
| 16:45.09 | petn-randall | sover: Assuming chromium is "evil", it could still grab your passwords, even in a chroot. |
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| 16:46.11 | frutiFly | sharky_: yo! u here bro? |
| 16:46.21 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: yo?! |
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| 16:46.34 | mumpitze1 | ? |
| 16:46.45 | mtn | yo bro ehah |
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| 16:48.19 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: :) ... I think it was you yesterday we were working on a problem I was having with my linux connection timing out every few seconds, I showed you dmessage and you though it was a frequency problem; i changed the channel from 'auto' to 9, and from 20Mhz to 20/40Mhz and it still isn't working, I'm not sure what to do, try a different channel like channel 4 or something? |
| 16:48.32 | frutiFly | sharky_: ^ |
| 16:48.43 | mumpitze1 | I remember you but didn't say anything about frequencies |
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| 16:49.04 | mumpitze1 | frutiFly: the router is not under your control right? friend's place? |
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| 16:50.00 | sover | petn-randall: thanks for your response. In this case, I'm trying to limit the file:// protocol, since chromium doesn't seem to have a native solution to limit it. |
| 16:50.17 | sover | I'm building a sort of data entry terminal and don't want the users poking around the filesystem |
| 16:50.41 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: no I can control it, but it's across a ditch |
| 16:50.54 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: I can get to it within a minute :P |
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| 16:51.05 | petn-randall | sover: It would make more sense to add a separate user, and start chromium as that user via sudo. |
| 16:51.07 | mumpitze1 | frutiFly: does the router have a logfile? |
| 16:51.16 | mumpitze1 | maybe check what it does? |
| 16:51.26 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: ok I'll look |
| 16:52.00 | sover | petn-randall: would that keep the chromium from reaching world-readable files such as file:///etc/passwd? |
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| 16:52.21 | mumpitze1 | sover: chroot would? |
| 16:52.42 | sover | mumpitze1: from my hyper-limited understanding, it would. Am I mistaken? |
| 16:52.50 | sharky_ | frutiFly, yo man |
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| 16:54.25 | petn-randall | sover: A separate user wouldn't. But what is there to gain from /etc/passwd? A user list of the system. |
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| 16:55.22 | sover | petn-randall: that is one example, but for the kiosk/terminal I'm working on, I'm really just trying to restrict the user from browsing the file system in general and am fairly confident this is my last vector to worry about in that way (for now) |
| 16:55.29 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: here is the log of the last like 5 minutes, all while I'm on my windows partition and the connection is running smoothly. I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to check the log on my linux partition because i'm only connected for like for a few seconds but I can give it a try. http://pastebin.com/yx3q7jHn |
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| 16:56.05 | petn-randall | sover: Make sure the user can't kill chromium, and find a way to disable file:/// links. |
| 16:56.27 | frutiFly | sharky_: saw what I told mumpitze1 above? i tried changing my bandwith from 20Mhz to 20/40Mhz still cant get aconnection on linux, then I tried changing the channel from auto to 9 and still not working, |
| 16:56.34 | petn-randall | sover: In a kiosk system you won't have much more installed than in the chroot, anyway. |
| 16:56.36 | sover | petn-randall: I've made sure the user can't break out of chromium, but chromium doesn't have a way to disable file:/// links, and it's definitely in the application level |
| 16:56.52 | frutiFly | sharky_: mumpitze1 recommended me to check the router log file I just posted it above |
| 16:57.29 | sover | petn-randall: really really don't want to move to firefox. There is a good bit more than what's in the chroot, including apt, iptables, sshd, clam-av |
| 16:57.43 | mumpitze1 | frutiFly: the important part would be the wlan login, your dropping off from it and your 2nd login |
| 16:57.51 | sover | petn-randall: so ideally, I can run chromium in a chroot and be on my way |
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| 16:58.27 | mumpitze1 | if the router even logs it. you wrote yesterday that it always worked on other APs, but not on this. the logical conclusion is: something with this one is broken and not your installation, imho |
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| 16:58.40 | sharky_ | frutiFly, it is good suggestion, you can access the log with your windows after the linux test, the log should keep the history for like 10 min. or so |
| 16:58.45 | petn-randall | sover: Have you checked with chromium support? I bet there's a switch somewhere. |
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| 16:59.09 | frutiFly | mumpitze1: ok so get on linux and connect, then drop off and connect and try check the log file after that? sharky_ |
| 16:59.28 | Remram | hi; it seems to me that Jessie has python2.6 but is missing the development headers, preventing the installation of extensions |
| 16:59.37 | frutiFly | sharky_: mumpitze1 Okaaay guys. I'll try and I'll get right back here |
| 16:59.41 | sover | petn-randall: have done so, though haven't interacted with them. That's the next step if this doesn't work out. I have however read over every resource and list I can find for switches, config file options, environment variables, and their native chrom://settings stuffs" |
| 16:59.57 | Remram | it only has them for 2.7 and 3.3 |
| 17:00.05 | petn-randall | sover: use pbuilder or cowbuilder to create your chroot if you want. |
| 17:00.24 | Remram | although it has the interpreter for 2.6, 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3 |
| 17:00.56 | sover | petn-randall: Thanks for the command names, I think that will help. Just an fyi, I don't mean to be argumentative; I am very interested in hearing about alternatives, cons, and ramifications of using chroot. |
| 17:01.11 | sover | But I do feel like I am backed against a corner solution-wise |
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| 17:02.15 | petn-randall | sover: No offense taken :). I always enjoy a healthy debate with different opinions! |
| 17:02.36 | sover | petn-randall: :) The part I am guilty of not mentioning was that this kiosk is living on a pi |
| 17:02.49 | sover | petn-randall: but I didn't want that fact drawing us away from debian ;) |
| 17:03.01 | petn-randall | raspbian!!! Heresy! |
| 17:04.01 | sover | Haha, yeah… we work with what we've got for now |
| 17:04.44 | sover | but a less-than-$100 payment entry kiosk that I can screw down with iptables, chroot, and a kiosk user is nice, especially when it can run off of the power from the USB ports on the monitor it's displayed with |
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| 17:07.45 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: sharky_ this is what I got: http://pastebin.com/FCb8a6i5 |
| 17:08.02 | ufael | quick question (have to leave soon): if an installation went well until the end, and i got a problem just after the end (at reboot the disk got ejected but i got stuck on a black screen), and i forced shutdown manually, and now all looks working fine, DO YOU THINK ALL IS FINE? or is there a big risk that that forced shutdown messed up someway my installation? |
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| 17:08.29 | sover | ufael: livecd a safe assumption? |
| 17:08.35 | ufael | quick but not short i guess :) |
| 17:09.04 | sover | oh, misread |
| 17:09.04 | ufael | dont understand what you mean |
| 17:09.05 | Pabl0Escobar | ufael: IMHO yes |
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| 17:09.42 | petn-randall | ufael: After a fsck your system should be ok. |
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| 17:09.47 | fruitFly | mumixam: sharky_ I think at least the 2 sending acks at the bottom were while I was on linux and the login success at the top was from windows |
| 17:09.52 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: ^ |
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| 17:10.12 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: i wrote a message about 5 lines above |
| 17:11.01 | ufael | will do fsck then, ok all thank you |
| 17:11.14 | sover | agree with petn-randall; go fsck yourself |
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| 17:12.22 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: according to it you never connected |
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| 17:12.50 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: but I was able to hit web pages for a few seconds |
| 17:13.11 | fruitFly | sharky_: ^ |
| 17:13.56 | sover | btw, what-I-don't-even off-topic for the day; http://bijo-linux.com/ |
| 17:14.03 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: and other WLAN APs still work fine with your debian? |
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| 17:15.25 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: I haven't got debian to work yet (I think this AP issues might fix debian), but I just tested this on mint 14 (samthing was also happening on mint 15 and xubuntu), and yes it was working on other APs |
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| 17:15.44 | mumpitze1 | I do debian support only |
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| 17:16.04 | mumpitze1 | and so should anyone else in this channel as well |
| 17:16.07 | ocmsRzr | hello, I just bought a Samsung Chromebook with ARM, and I want to dual boot chrome OS and debian using GRUB, is that possible? |
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| 17:16.21 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: I'm trying to get debian to work |
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| 17:16.52 | mumpitze1 | what is not working in debian? |
| 17:17.03 | mumpitze1 | you don't get any connection at all, ever? |
| 17:17.13 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: on my deb partition ONCE it found the AP and then it has not found it since, but I can always see it on other deb based distros like mint and ubuntu |
| 17:17.36 | mumpitze1 | what wlan chip? lspci -nn |
| 17:18.49 | adminewb | plainly it would be preferable if I were able to upgrade a squeeze installation (amd64/multiarch) to wheezy but I have some well-founded concern; some customization would likely be unrecoverable: am using an orphan PHC (includes a kernel module) which allows control of CPU clock & Vcore, also my 64 bit SMP work unit arrangements with folding@home (stanford time sync / distributed compute project) would likely be terribly disrupted, perhaps t |
| 17:19.22 | mumpitze1 | adminewb: what kernel version do you run right now? |
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| 17:19.34 | adminewb | it's a backport, let me check |
| 17:19.53 | mumpitze1 | adminewb: uname -a |
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| 17:20.20 | adminewb | 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 17:20.29 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 17:20.31 | Azrael_- | i need to write to a bitlocker encrypted partition on linux. already decrypted it with dislocker but every time i want to mount it with ntfs-3g i get the error-message: mount failed: permission denied any idea? |
| 17:20.48 | petn-randall | adminewb: Your message was cut off after " terribly disrupted, perhaps t" |
| 17:21.02 | adminewb | ok will repeat original question |
| 17:21.19 | adminewb | plainly it would be preferable if I were able to upgrade a squeeze installation (amd64/multiarch) to wheezy but I have some well-founded concern; some customization would likely be unrecoverable: am using an orphan PHC (includes a kernel module) which allows control of CPU clock & Vcore, also my ... |
| 17:21.20 | mumpitze1 | adminewb: that would be 3.1. it should work. wheezy uess 3.2 |
| 17:21.29 | adminewb | 64 bit SMP work unit arrangements with folding@home (stanford time sync / distributed compute project) would likely be terribly disrupted, perhaps terminated. Thoughts? google is on the whole NOT my friend, my google-fu is subpar at best |
| 17:21.58 | mumpitze1 | and as long as you keep a backup of your f@h, it shouldn't be a problem either |
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| 17:22.14 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: I'm writing up you the details now |
| 17:22.14 | adminewb | hmm |
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| 17:22.18 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: 1 sec |
| 17:23.03 | adminewb | mumpitze1 actually my backport kernel is 2.6.39 not 3.1 |
| 17:23.20 | adminewb | i don't think there is any PHC module for 3.x kernels |
| 17:23.31 | adminewb | or functional equivalent, for that matter |
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| 17:24.19 | petn-randall | adminewb: AFAICS you can simply clock your cpu via /sys nowadays. |
| 17:24.50 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: PHC is more than clocks. it's about voltages |
| 17:25.05 | adminewb | so no custom kernel modules required to talk to a certain kind of mainboard? hope so |
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| 17:25.32 | adminewb | PHC does offer its interface through /sys |
| 17:25.37 | mumpitze1 | it is still needed. speedstep worked for years. PHC is about voltages at various P states, not the P states itself |
| 17:25.46 | adminewb | in any case, thanks for the responses, all |
| 17:26.08 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: wB8xKK1e I'm dying to get debian to work or just another deb distro... dying. wB8xKK1e |
| 17:26.11 | adminewb | yes I do change Vcore for my own purposes |
| 17:26.11 | Sevet | adminewb: i think cpufrequtils loads the driver needed |
| 17:26.19 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: woops http://pastebin.com/wB8xKK1e |
| 17:26.19 | Sevet | https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 17:26.22 | adminewb | Sevet thanks |
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| 17:27.25 | mumpitze1 | adminewb: are you actually undervolting? |
| 17:27.45 | mumpitze1 | ,pciid 10EC:8176 |
| 17:27.46 | judd | [10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 17:27.54 | adminewb | undervolting yes |
| 17:28.13 | adminewb | slightly underclocking too |
| 17:28.23 | mumpitze1 | adminewb: the links you got are for speedstep and other underclocking things only. nothing about undervolting |
| 17:28.39 | adminewb | ok |
| 17:28.55 | adminewb | undervolting is mainboard chipset-specific, is my understanding |
| 17:28.57 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: and when the module is loaded, you run ifconfig wlan0 up and iwlist scan |grep SSID |
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| 17:30.05 | adminewb | to not be left in the dust for security patches, one supposes I may have to give up undervolting |
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| 17:30.35 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: are you saying I shoulg load debian and run those commands in succession? what do they do? |
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| 17:30.47 | adminewb | thanks all for the consideration |
| 17:30.58 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: first brings wlan0 up so it can be used for iwlist which will then show all APs in range |
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| 17:31.58 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: ok I can try that but I will lose irc connect. But from the little wireless icon (network manager app) I see NO SSIDs, and this network is not hidden. |
| 17:32.21 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: irc connection* |
| 17:32.51 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: in debian* I have been seeing no ssids in the network manager, only 1 time I did |
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| 17:34.19 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: make sure the module is loaded too |
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| 17:34.34 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: and if it doesn't work, show us the dmesg output |
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| 17:34.46 | MAL__ | I'm having problems thinking of the wording but what's the feature I have to enable so that my system reports back to debian packages I'm using? |
| 17:34.54 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: which module? |
| 17:35.07 | mumpitze1 | the one judd wrote aboute |
| 17:35.12 | mumpitze1 | -e |
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| 17:35.52 | sary | fruitFly: you still having the timeout/drop connection with your wifi chipset! |
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| 17:36.00 | fruitFly | sary: yes |
| 17:36.13 | fruitFly | sary: I'm a noob and getting burnt out |
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| 17:36.50 | sary | fruitFly: and you still don't have access to an ethernet connection! |
| 17:36.53 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: is it the firmware-realtek module? how do I check if it's loaded? with "dpkg -l firmware-realtek"? |
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| 17:37.33 | fruitFly | sary: actually I can go connect to ethernet, mumpitze1 sary if I go connect to ethernet will you help me, will take 1 minute? |
| 17:37.55 | pencilandpaper | whats up peoples. |
| 17:38.04 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: yes. and also with lsmod and dmesg |
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| 17:40.03 | sary | fruitFly: yes, you'll be doing us a big favier .. that will make it easier troubleshooting the issue. |
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| 17:44.49 | kikf | what software is recommended nowadays to rip DVDs and pack them into an MKV container? |
| 17:45.05 | dondelelcaro | kikf: HandBrake is pretty commonly used |
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| 17:46.36 | mumpitze1 | not for ripping. only for encoding it to h.264 mkv |
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| 17:48.23 | kikf | dondelelcaro: and it's not even in the repo (except an rc-buggy version in experimental) |
| 17:48.54 | kikf | mumpitze1: what would you recommend (GUI or command line) ? |
| 17:49.25 | sary | how about VLC! |
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| 17:51.21 | dondelelcaro | kikf: it's in debian-multimedia |
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| 17:51.53 | dondelelcaro | mumpitze1: HandBrake can rip as well as encode... |
| 17:52.31 | dondelelcaro | kikf: or you can backport it from experimental if you want |
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| 17:53.41 | kikf | dondelelcaro: deb-multimedia is unofficial and not recommended anymore. But thanks for the tip |
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| 17:55.11 | halt | Rydekull: It's works with disabled hdmi port, not the best solution but it's works |
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| 18:00.54 | kikf | sary: didn't know it rips, will give it a try |
| 18:01.29 | dondelelcaro | kikf: it's always been unofficial and not recommended |
| 18:01.39 | dondelelcaro | kikf: but if you need something from it, it's there. |
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| 18:03.56 | mumpitze1 | dondelelcaro: unless handbrake comes with decss, it can't. does it? |
| 18:04.18 | somiaj | kikf: the biggest issue is having it in your sources.list when you upgrade. Grabing a package or two from there will work in many cases. |
| 18:04.19 | mumpitze1 | handbrake wants a mpeg2 stream and spits out mpeg4 |
| 18:04.31 | sary | kikf: and it does 'transcode' as well. |
| 18:06.26 | kikf | dondelelcaro: deb-multimedia has always been unofficial but as far as I read it was once recommended when multimedia applications within the official archive caused trouble |
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| 18:07.58 | petn-randall | kikf: It was also the cause of many multimedia packages to stop working. But it's the only repo that has mythtv in it, amongst other things. |
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| 18:11.19 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: sary so I just walked up to the AP and I'm wirelessly connected smoothe as butter, i decided to try mint and the same result. However, as I get closer to my desk the signal drops, i can access it for a few seconds if i disconnect and reconnect and it's works constantly on windows, what gives? |
| 18:11.39 | kikf | sary: vlc rips as DVD is playing and aborts when playing is paused... Not so sure whether that's what I want. |
| 18:11.42 | kikf | I forgot to mention: what I am trying to rip is not a movie but a DVD with lots of distinct not-so-long speeches. So I want every chapter to be ripped as a separate file into an MKV container (Vorbis for audio and some format for video stream). Does anyone know a ripper which does that? |
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| 18:12.11 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: then it's a shitty antenna. move the AP higehr |
| 18:12.24 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: and come back for support when you run debian. not before. have a nice day |
| 18:13.17 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: i'm on debian now, but does that make sense that I would get a constant signal on windows but not on linux? |
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| 18:15.16 | MAL__ | fruitFly: You're triple booting Windows, Debian and Mint on the same laptop? |
| 18:15.26 | fruitFly | MAL__: yes |
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| 18:18.18 | Lope | I've just done a minimal debian installation in a VM. I tried to do apt-cache search jwm but it was not found. yet on my ubuntu 13.04 installation its available in my apt repos. What do I need to do to install it? |
| 18:18.19 | srhb | Is that even surprising these days? |
| 18:18.21 | kmyst | anybody able to answer why auto doesn't delay questions for preseeding? |
| 18:19.19 | kikf | Lope: visit packages.debian.org/<package name> to check whether a package you are looking for is in the repo |
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| 18:19.44 | jelly-home | Lope: did you run an apt-get update before that? |
| 18:19.55 | jelly-home | ,v jwm |
| 18:19.57 | judd | Package: jwm on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.1-3; wheezy: 2.1.0-3; jessie: 2.1.0+svn579-2; sid: 2.1.0+svn579-2 |
| 18:20.27 | Lope | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jwm |
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| 18:21.10 | buu | So I have an oddly challenging question. Say I'm in bash, happily typing away. Then I execute program X. X can be anything from vim to a c script. How do I get a list of the last X bash commands inside X? Difficulty: No executing specific shell commands before running X |
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| 18:21.36 | Rydekull | halt: if you're not using it, i'd say its the best solution |
| 18:21.37 | Lope | I'm running debian 6 the kernel is 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 18:22.07 | jelly-home | Lope: why are you using the previous debian release? |
| 18:22.07 | kikf | Lope: so you're using Debian oldstable. According to the link you posted it's available there |
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| 18:22.25 | Brigo | buu i think you have too much X in your question ... |
| 18:22.53 | buu | Brigo: It does make it tricky |
| 18:22.56 | Lope | weird because I've just done "sudo apt-get update" |
| 18:23.09 | Lope | then "apt-cache search jwm" and it finds nothing. |
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| 18:23.28 | kikf | Lope: in case you once want to upgrade: |
| 18:23.28 | kikf | !tell Lope about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:23.32 | Lope | jelly-home: my VPS provider offers debian 6. I'm practising on a local vm before I buy a VPS and do it on their template. |
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| 18:24.09 | kikf | Lope: it should be there, even in oldstable, aka squeeze |
| 18:24.11 | jelly-home | Lope: oh. well you probably won't be running window managers on a VPS |
| 18:24.14 | Brigo | buu: you can see the history fo your bash command in ~/.bash_history |
| 18:24.28 | Lope | kikf: oh, I'm running an apt-get upgrade. i dunno if that is gonna make the jwm available afterwards... |
| 18:24.48 | kikf | Lope: did you apt-get update ? |
| 18:24.55 | jelly-home | Lope: so... let me repeat myself: have you done an apt-get update? |
| 18:24.58 | Lope | yes I did update a few times. |
| 18:25.15 | Lope | oh crap. it says its gonna take 1 hour and 14 minutes. its downloading perl-modules |
| 18:25.21 | Lope | is that important or can I skip it? |
| 18:25.40 | Lope | this is purely for testing out a use-case so I don't need the latest and greatest. |
| 18:25.41 | jelly-home | Lope: and why are you searching for an obscure window manager? |
| 18:25.52 | jelly-home | judd: info jwm |
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| 18:25.53 | judd | Package jwm (x11, optional) in wheezy/i386: very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus. Version: 2.1.0-3; Size: 126.8k; Installed: 294k; Homepage: http://www.joewing.net/programs/jwm; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/jwm |
| 18:25.58 | Lope | I want to run a single application on minimal memory. |
| 18:26.05 | jelly-home | Lope: that's what jwm is ^^ |
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| 18:26.40 | kmyst | pffft jwm...twm ftw |
| 18:26.44 | buu | *ratpoison |
| 18:26.46 | Lope | so does anyone know why after doing an apt-get update jwm is not in the apt repos? |
| 18:26.55 | kmyst | buu: yeah that too :) |
| 18:27.02 | Lope | is it possible I've got crappy repos configured? |
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| 18:27.28 | kikf | Lope: that command "apt-get update jwm" is nonsense |
| 18:28.19 | jelly-home | finds half an hour of unsaid info about Lope's real goals in ##linux |
| 18:28.28 | kikf | what's the output of arch |
| 18:28.33 | kikf | Lope: ^^ |
| 18:28.50 | mumpitze1 | ,v jwm |
| 18:28.51 | judd | Package: jwm on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.1-3; wheezy: 2.1.0-3; jessie: 2.1.0+svn579-2; sid: 2.1.0+svn579-2 |
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| 18:29.47 | jelly-home | ,v wm2 |
| 18:29.48 | judd | Package: wm2 on i386 -- jessie: 4+svn20090216-2; sid: 4+svn20090216-2; squeeze: 4+svn20090216-2; wheezy: 4+svn20090216-2 |
| 18:29.49 | sary | fruitFly: you're back, could you please pastebin the output of ' lshw -C Network' run that as sudo , and ' lsb_release -a; uname -a' . |
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| 18:30.47 | sevenfourk | guys, I have static ip configure to get from router, but somehow I could not ssh to my home laptop; then I found it does get another ip, somehow ran dhclient. http://dpaste.com/1412380/. Could you please clarify the reason of that, maybe I'm missing something.. |
| 18:31.00 | fruitFly | sary: how to get root on debian? |
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| 18:31.25 | Brigo | fruitFly: su - |
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| 18:31.34 | fruitFly | Brigo: thanks |
| 18:31.35 | sary | fruitFly: su - |
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| 18:32.11 | Brigo | sevenfourk: are you running gnome or kde os so= |
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| 18:32.18 | Brigo | s/=/? |
| 18:32.25 | iamarto | Hi |
| 18:32.27 | sary | fruitFly: run this # sudo lshw -c network | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 18:32.33 | sevenfourk | Brigo: no network, no anything high level, using dwm |
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| 18:32.41 | sevenfourk | s/network/networkManager/ |
| 18:32.50 | iamarto | I am on Debian XFCE. I want to figure out a way to allow the touchpad on my laptop to accept clicking. |
| 18:32.53 | fruitFly | sary: I can access debian wireless now that I'm right beside the access point, but when I go to my desk I can't get it, but when I'm at my desk I can get it on windows. |
| 18:33.50 | Brigo | sevenfourk: Someone configures it. You can try to remove it with apt-get remove isc-dhcp-client |
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| 18:34.06 | Dudytz | hi all! I have a question related to password keyring: I have 2 different instances of Chromium (started with different --user-data-dir paths) ... and I want to save the passwords of each instance in a dedicated password keyring, it's possible? How to do? Is there a environment variable to set to archive this? |
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| 18:34.27 | fruitFly | sary: just did I get a |
| 18:34.29 | fruitFly | > |
| 18:34.36 | fruitFly | sary: ^ |
| 18:34.43 | Brigo | fruitFly: you need to enter the root passsword |
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| 18:34.53 | sevenfourk | Brigo: I might need to bring up my eth0 interface on need. I don't think it's efficient to remove isc-dhcp-client. |
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| 18:35.11 | sevenfourk | Brigo: I mean, it's weird. |
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| 18:35.31 | kikf | iamarto: couldn't imagine that there are people missing that "feature" :-) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=103644 |
| 18:35.49 | Brigo | sevenfourk: ok |
| 18:36.51 | fruitFly | Brigo: sary I did su - ..... got to # and then ran sudo lshw -c network | curl -F 'sprunge=<- ... but am geting nothing more than ">" I even entered my password againk after that... nothing. |
| 18:36.55 | Brigo | sevenfourk: so you have to find who are configure your wlan0. |
| 18:37.06 | Lope | thanks kikf, I did the package source list change, did the update and now I'm just doing the upgrade. its much smaller. |
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| 18:37.27 | Brigo | if you got # you are root, not need sudo. |
| 18:37.33 | jhutchins | fruitFly: What you have there is an open quote that includes the CR. |
| 18:37.59 | Lope | okay I've just completed a apt-get update && upgrade on wheezy and still jwm is not in the apt-get repos. |
| 18:38.00 | jhutchins | fruitFly: Once you have done su -, sudo is redundant. |
| 18:38.01 | Lope | any ideas? |
| 18:38.16 | jhutchins | ,versions jwm |
| 18:38.17 | judd | Package: jwm on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.1-3; wheezy: 2.1.0-3; jessie: 2.1.0+svn579-2; sid: 2.1.0+svn579-2 |
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| 18:38.54 | jhutchins | Lope: pastebin your sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 18:39.00 | kikf | Lope: did you apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:39.01 | babilen | Lope: Show us your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy jwm" on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 18:39.27 | Lope | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 18:39.31 | babilen | Lope: On http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:39.33 | iamarto | kikf, thanks a lot. I think I will have to restart to take efffect |
| 18:39.35 | fruitFly | sary: root@richardLaptop:~# lshw -c network | curl -F 'sprunge=<-a' -su: curl: command not found -su: lshw: command not found |
| 18:39.45 | fruitFly | Brigo: ^ |
| 18:39.58 | Lope | (its only 2 lines) and deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 18:40.07 | Dudytz | Anyone? |
| 18:40.08 | babilen | Lope: Ah, well. That is not nearly enough. |
| 18:40.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Lope -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 18:40.25 | Brigo | fruitFly: i told you how to become root, but i dont konw nothing about your other problem, sorry. |
| 18:40.41 | babilen | Lope: You'll end up with something along the lines of http://paste.debian.net/55383/ (modulo wheezy-backports) |
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| 18:40.49 | jhutchins | Lope: You are only set up for updates, you need a primary source. |
| 18:40.49 | fruitFly | Brigo: I am root |
| 18:41.11 | jhutchins | fruitFly: Perhaps niether curl nor lshw are installed. |
| 18:41.11 | fruitFly | Brigo: oh ok :) |
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| 18:41.36 | fruitFly | jhutchins: apt-get install curl & lshw ? |
| 18:41.47 | jhutchins | fruitFly: Try them all by themselves. (Always try the most basic part then move toward the more complex if things aren't working.) |
| 18:41.57 | fruitFly | jhutchins: OK |
| 18:42.01 | jhutchins | fruitFly: dpkg -l curl* |
| 18:42.06 | jhutchins | fruitFly: or just curl |
| 18:42.07 | fruitFly | sary: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF RUNNING THESE COMMANDS? |
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| 18:42.23 | jkaberg | how can i find out why an init.d script isnt working anymore (it used to)? |
| 18:42.24 | fruitFly | sary: sry caps |
| 18:42.55 | jkaberg | if i fire it up manually it works, but it dosnt start at boot anymore |
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| 18:44.18 | jhutchins | fruitFly: I can't really figure out the curl part, but the lshw command seeks information on your network hardware. |
| 18:44.41 | jhutchins | jkaberg: logs, dmesg. |
| 18:44.47 | codygman | Does anyone know if building the nvidia driver with dkms in jessie still fails due to the 3.10 kernel/nvidia driver incompatibility? |
| 18:44.53 | jhutchins | jkaberg: check to make sure it has links to rc2.d. |
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| 18:45.08 | sary | fruitFly: type ' exit ' as root , the as user run # sudo apt-get install curl lshw |
| 18:45.10 | fruitFly | jhutchins: my debian and mint connection cuts out at my desk but my windows connection is fine? |
| 18:45.13 | jkaberg | jhutchins: how do i do that? |
| 18:45.16 | sary | fruitFly: then run # lshw -C Network | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 18:45.24 | sary | * sudo lshw -C Network | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 18:45.49 | sary | err, cat sudo lshw -C Network | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 18:45.55 | mellysquire | hi guys |
| 18:45.59 | mellysquire | and gals |
| 18:46.03 | sary | fruitFly: ^ |
| 18:46.04 | fruitFly | sary: what problem are you trying to solve for me? my debian and mint wireless is now working but it cuts out at my desk, but my windows connection is fine at my desk though? |
| 18:46.07 | sary | hi |
| 18:46.26 | mellysquire | is there a quick guide somewhere on choosing the right install image? |
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| 18:46.44 | jkaberg | jhutchins: dmesg dosnt contain anything of my init script |
| 18:46.54 | mellysquire | i'm trying to create something of a intranet storage with domain |
| 18:47.05 | sary | fruitFly: if that's the only case issue, then am asuming it's a router speed mode related! |
| 18:47.06 | Lope | babilen: thats much better. I'm doing an update and its taking MUCH longer now. |
| 18:47.11 | Lope | thanks! |
| 18:47.12 | zykotic10 | mellysquire: i'd suggest using netinst then install what you want afterwards (if you need wireless during install... then you many need the unofficial firmware image) |
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| 18:47.16 | Lope | thats a nice trick, let me try it :) |
| 18:47.20 | babilen | mellysquire: No, the installer on all of them is the same and they only differ in terms of which packages they contain (or firmware) and might differ in the desktop environment that is preselected. |
| 18:47.34 | jhutchins | fruitFly: It appears that sary is having you post the hardware info to a pastevbin. |
| 18:47.36 | babilen | Lope: You are welcome, how come you didn't have a proper sources.list in the first place? |
| 18:47.39 | Lope | dpkg: tell Lope -about wheezy sources.list |
| 18:47.51 | fruitFly | sary: router speed? i tried changing the bandwith from 20Mhz to 20/40 Mhz and I changed the channel from auto to 9 but no difference |
| 18:47.58 | jelly-home | Lope: are you not on squeeze (debian 6)? |
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| 18:48.24 | Lope | I dunno. Its debian-live-6.0.2-i386-standard.iso |
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| 18:48.33 | Lope | I did a text install |
| 18:48.33 | jelly-home | if you are, don't use and DON'T INSTALL any packages obtained from wheezy sources |
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| 18:48.40 | sary | fruitFly: router mode n/g,b . |
| 18:48.42 | mellysquire | babilen: so i can just download the iso image and then try and find some tutes on making it into an intranet storage server with domain? |
| 18:48.53 | fruitFly | jhutchins: what is a .dsc? I want to install the latest version of kdenlive, it's ion testing http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdenlive.html |
| 18:49.16 | fruitFly | sary: I believe all of those are enabled? should I just put in on g? |
| 18:49.20 | jelly-home | Lope: use these instead /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 18:50.00 | babilen | mellysquire: I could recommend a suitable image if you could tell me what kind of installation you plan to perform. What is the intended purpose of that box? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation during the installation? |
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| 18:50.05 | Lope | but according to the advice of kikf I changed squeeze to wheezy in my sources.list |
| 18:50.05 | Brigo | mellysquire: yes, you can |
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| 18:50.30 | jhutchins | fruitFly: Were we looking at some frequency negotiation problems in dmesg yesterday? |
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| 18:50.54 | babilen | Lope: Sorry, I wasn't aware that you are running squeeze. When did you install that box and why did you install Squeeze (which is an old release) ? |
| 18:51.01 | david89 | Hello. Does anyone have an updated guide on setting up an ftp server? |
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| 18:51.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell david89 -about ftpmustdie |
| 18:51.25 | Lope | I installed squeeze because my VPS host has squeeze and I want to replicate the environment. |
| 18:51.27 | babilen | david89: ;) |
| 18:51.34 | Lope | I'm practising before I pay for the VPS |
| 18:51.46 | fruitFly | jhutchins: yes |
| 18:51.46 | mellysquire | babilen, Brigo & the rest: I'm trying to create an intranet storage system with domain, connect multiple computers and OS i.e. Windows and so on |
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| 18:52.12 | Lope | so is it bad that I changed squeeze to wheezy in my sources.list |
| 18:52.17 | mellysquire | Also install italc on it since its an education charity organization |
| 18:52.19 | babilen | Lope: I *really* wouldn't recommend to start with squeeze now as you will have to upgrade rather sooner than later. I also would think twice about paying money to a hoster that does not offer the current stable releases of distributions. |
| 18:52.19 | david89 | babilen: does that apply only to anonymous downloads? I actually want a place to store some files |
| 18:52.25 | Lope | should I abort this update, and change it to a proper sources.list for squeeze? |
| 18:52.34 | jkaberg | any init expert here who got a few minutes to spare? |
| 18:52.47 | mumpitze1 | !tell jkaberg about anyone |
| 18:52.59 | MAL__ | fruitFly: Using only g seems to help from what I've read. Others have switched to a new wireless network card. I remember vaguely that the wireless driver might have been added to the linux kernel which is when this might have started happening. Another user changed router and it fixed the issue (the router he had problems with was Netgear). |
| 18:53.08 | babilen | mellysquire: Ok, that is all fair and great, but doesn't (at this point) help us with the task of recommending a suitable installation image. Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Does your hardware require firmware? |
| 18:53.17 | sary | fruitFly: yeah, try with the other a/b/g protocols without 'n'. and see how it goes! |
| 18:53.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell mellysquire -about install debian |
| 18:53.30 | mellysquire | babilen: no |
| 18:53.30 | mumpitze1 | babilen: normal for VPS providers unfortunately. you have to be very happy if they upgrade to a system that can run stable before oldstable isn't security supported anymore |
| 18:53.35 | jhutchins | mellysquire: Sounds like you want a Samba fileserver. |
| 18:53.41 | babilen | mellysquire: "no" as in "I don't have a working internet connection" ? |
| 18:54.13 | mellysquire | jhutchins: im looking at this http://www.unixmen.com/standalone-samba-in-debian-squeeze/ |
| 18:54.17 | fruitFly | MAL__: I'm gonna try it!!!!!! This is a belkin, sounds skethy to me! |
| 18:54.21 | Lope | should I change my sources.list back to squeeze? |
| 18:54.30 | jhutchins | fruitFly: I don't know how much you want to mess with this, but you might see if there's a firmware upgrade available for that router. It seems to have some issues. I know Windows works, but Windows assumes things are broken anyway. |
| 18:54.40 | mellysquire | but since i saw squeeze is obsolete, im just exploring my options |
| 18:54.42 | jelly-home | Lope: change it to squeeze sources, but there's no need to abort if it's just an "apt-get update", just redo it afterwards |
| 18:54.45 | jkaberg | alright, I've got an init script (this one: http://pastebin.com/kCtxkGUi ) which dosnt start on boot anymore (it used to, but for some odd reason it dosnt). dmesg dosnt show any output related to it, chmod is OK and update-rc.d is done |
| 18:54.53 | fruitFly | jhutchins: i'll look if all fails with the AP |
| 18:54.59 | Lope | jelly: ok |
| 18:55.04 | mellysquire | babilen: this server would not have internet connection ever |
| 18:55.14 | Lope | I will hassle my VPS provider about upgrading their shizniz afterwards |
| 18:55.20 | jkaberg | (starting it manually by /etc/init.d/plexmediaserver works fine) |
| 18:55.36 | jhutchins | fruitFly: That stuff where it was messing with the frequency tables looks suspicious. |
| 18:55.51 | jhutchins | fruitFly: Did you figure out what wifi chipset the computer has? |
| 18:55.57 | MAL__ | fruitFly: I agree a firmware upgrade on the router wouldn't hurt. Maybe it'll make it more Linux friendly. |
| 18:55.58 | fruitFly | jhutchins: I'm disabling n, and trying just g |
| 18:56.06 | mellysquire | so i guess i would have to download the image and and the deb or rpms from the internet and manually install it right? |
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| 18:56.58 | babilen | mumpitze1: There are plenty of hosters that offer wheezy today. https://www.gandi.net https://www.linode.com come to mind immediately |
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| 18:57.32 | babilen | mellysquire: Okay, how do you plan to keep it up to date? Will you run a local Debian mirror/proxy ? |
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| 18:58.08 | mumpitze1 | babilen: exception, not the rule |
| 18:58.24 | babilen | I guess you get what you pay for |
| 18:58.25 | mumpitze1 | especially not on contracts that are grandfathered in |
| 18:58.54 | mumpitze1 | babilen: has gandi moved all their existing VPS contracts to a new wheezy capable kernel since wheezy came out? |
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| 19:00.16 | babilen | mumpitze1: I don't have a gandi VPS, but wouldn't start a *new* contract with a hoster that *only* offers squeeze right now. That's all I said. |
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| 19:00.40 | mellysquire | babilen: good question, havent thought of it yet |
| 19:01.16 | sary | fruitFly: also, MAL__ made a good suggestion .. see if there is an upgrade available for your router/AP firmware . |
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| 19:02.37 | MAL__ | sary: well it was jhutchins, I only supported it :) |
| 19:03.13 | jhutchins | !tell mellysquire about apt-offline |
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| 19:04.40 | sary | MAL__: :) |
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| 19:05.46 | babilen | mellysquire: Running a complete *offline* server is a tedious thing, but not impossible. Why will that server not be connected to the internet? |
| 19:05.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell mellysquire about apt-offline |
| 19:06.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell mellysquire about apt-zip |
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| 19:06.55 | Lope | "Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy>" |
| 19:07.01 | Lope | how do I add non-free repos? |
| 19:07.14 | babilen | mellysquire: Those are options to do this, but you really wouldn't want to do that unless you have a *good* reason. In particular the problem of security updates should be addresses, but not being able to install software without somebody *physically* accessing the server is also slightly suboptimal (or a necessary security requirement, who knows) |
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| 19:08.30 | sary | Lope: as shown in http://sprunge.us/fMfU |
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| 19:09.30 | Lope | can i switch jesse for squeeze |
| 19:09.48 | babilen | Lope: You have to have "non-free" (and probably "contrib") at the end of your deb and deb-src lines. (they would then end in "main contrib non-free") -- Please take some time and read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html -- and once again: please reconsider your choice of squeeze. You *will* have to upgrade that box in a couple of months because we'll drop support for it in May next year. |
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| 19:10.35 | mellysquire | babilen, jhutchins & the rest: thing is, the intention is to keep the content of this server offline |
| 19:10.36 | babilen | Lope: No, jessie (not jesse) is the current testing development release and you cannot upgrade to that directly, but would have to upgrade to wheezy *first* by following the instructions in the wheezy release notes. (/msg dpkg wheezy release notes) |
| 19:11.04 | babilen | mellysquire: Why? |
| 19:11.47 | babilen | mellysquire: Please realise that there is a *massive* difference between routing traffic to a server from the internet and into the local network and not being connected to the internet at all. |
| 19:11.56 | Lope | babilen: What I meant is use http://sprunge.us/fMfU but replace the words jessie with squeeze |
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| 19:12.13 | babilen | Lope: no |
| 19:12.17 | Lope | babilen: Yes I'll put pressure on my vps provider |
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| 19:12.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Lope -about squeeze sources.list |
| 19:12.57 | babilen | Lope: And *please* read the chapter that I linked earlier before asking additional questions. It is all explained in great detail. |
| 19:12.58 | mellysquire | babilen: the whole connection in this building is only intranet, there is no internet |
| 19:13.10 | babilen | mellysquire: How do you chat with me then? |
| 19:13.24 | mellysquire | babilen: i'm at home? |
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| 19:13.56 | babilen | mellysquire: But okay, you will have to physically transport packages to the server in that case. See the factoids our bot sent you earlier. |
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| 19:14.26 | Lope | sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found ? |
| 19:14.33 | babilen | Lope: ... |
| 19:14.39 | mellysquire | babilen: yes indeed i have to download the DVD images and then go onsite to install it |
| 19:14.39 | babilen | Lope: READ THE BOOK |
| 19:14.57 | mellysquire | thank you all guys... |
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| 19:15.10 | mellysquire | am downloading it now will be back a few hours later |
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| 19:15.31 | babilen | Lope: add-apt-repository is a command that is common on Ubuntu boxes and not really appropriate. Please read the book I linked earlier and the factoid our bot sent you. Then spend 5 minutes thinking about that and then ask questions again. |
| 19:15.32 | Pabl0Escobar | babilen: not the FINE MANUAL ? :P |
| 19:15.33 | sary | Lope: this isn't how you add repo's in Debian. |
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| 19:16.47 | halt | hi all I try to setup an chrooted sftp server, but got errors, which I can't understand i prepared and paste with all the usefull information |
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| 19:16.58 | sary | Lope: have you seen https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList ! |
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| 19:17.59 | halt | it is here, if you need anthing extra info i will add it http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c7bee0cd/ |
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| 19:19.15 | Lope | sary: oh I see, very helpful |
| 19:19.26 | Lope | babilen: sorry for asking silly questions :) |
| 19:19.37 | Lope | linux is a little overwhelming to learn all of it at once. |
| 19:19.42 | rryoumaa | i just got "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:" but i thought recommended were automatically installed by default? my config files are empty and /etc/apt has nothing about install-recommends. i can't seem to find where defaults are documented. |
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| 19:20.39 | lazors | Lope: Everything new is often overwhelming to grasp at first. Cooking, fixing car engines, etc. :) |
| 19:21.03 | halt | rryoumaa: recommend means that it cloud be handy or related, but not required, you do not lose anything if you not install them |
| 19:21.07 | frostschutz | rryoumaa, what if the recommended apps recommend other apps, and they again recommend others? you'd never finish installing |
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| 19:21.40 | TechLover | Hi ! How do I find directories left behind when this appen: "not empty so not removed" |
| 19:21.51 | jhutchins | frostschutz: And yet, somehow, we do. |
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| 19:22.16 | jhutchins | TechLover: That outputs includes the name of the dirctory. |
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| 19:22.23 | babilen | Lope: yes, I appreciate that, but we also spend a lot of time to provide excellent documentation. Please do us and yourself a favour and read the Debian handbook. It is wonderful and will answer your questions much easier than typing in random commands that you found on the internet. Trust me, there is a lot of horrible advice on the internet and you will not be able to differentiate between "oh god, this will break my system" and "this is solid ... |
| 19:22.29 | babilen | ... advice". |
| 19:22.54 | rryoumaa | to clarify my question, then: how do i find out the default value of Apt::Install-Recommends? |
| 19:23.07 | halt | if anyone see the paste, and have any clue, feel free to share with me, it's about chrooted sftp and "No supported authentication methods available [preauth]" |
| 19:23.15 | Lope | Okay, I've been using ubuntu for about 2 months and try to use the terminal whenever possible so I've learned a fair amount. |
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| 19:23.18 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: the default is "yes". has been since lenny or so |
| 19:23.26 | TechLover | jhutchins: thanks, but after some time, some are left behind |
| 19:23.29 | Lope | I will look at the book soon thanks :) |
| 19:24.14 | rryoumaa | mumpitze1: thanks. is the apt manual the best place to find this? it does not seem to be in the man pages. |
| 19:24.16 | rryoumaa | also, under what circumstances does upgrading a package NOT install if the value is yes? |
| 19:24.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell rryoumaa -about bat |
| 19:24.56 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: huh? |
| 19:25.27 | babilen | rryoumaa: It is typically much easier for us to help you if you provide commands, output and additional information in a single pastebin ( http://paste.debian.net that is) and give us the URL. |
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| 19:25.48 | mumpitze1 | rryoumaa: anything you have installed and you upgrade gets installed. if the new version of the package you're getting has an additional recommends, this new recommends gets installed too. and so on |
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| 19:28.21 | TechLover | how do you find directorys and files left behind when packages are removed, not empty so not removed |
| 19:29.01 | babilen | TechLover: cruft is a tool that might help |
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| 19:30.06 | TechLover | wow nice tool thanks babilen |
| 19:31.00 | rryoumaa | hmm, i thought perhaps there was a well-defined set of circumstances under which a recommended packagae would not be installed. |
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| 19:33.07 | jordanm | !equivs |
| 19:33.08 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 19:33.40 | rryoumaa | here is the output dpkg asks for: http://sprunge.us/dEGG |
| 19:34.04 | LunaLovegood | ok cool thanks |
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| 19:38.55 | rryoumaa | TechLover: you can also list packages that have config files if you use aptitude |
| 19:39.09 | babilen | rryoumaa: that doesn't add up as gnupg (at least) is already the latest version |
| 19:39.33 | babilen | rryoumaa: Might be different behaviour between upgrade/install (and yours truly typically uses apt-get) |
| 19:39.42 | rryoumaa | babilen: because i ran that after the installation |
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| 19:40.04 | rryoumaa | yeah the reason i am asking is to /understand/ why |
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| 19:40.24 | TechLover | rryoumaa: I have done aptitude purge $(deborphan --find-config) |
| 19:40.38 | rryoumaa | yeah that can work too |
| 19:40.50 | TechLover | but files have been left behind |
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| 19:41.25 | rryoumaa | does german unification still have large lingering effects? |
| 19:41.37 | rryoumaa | oop |
| 19:41.45 | babilen | hehe |
| 19:42.29 | rryoumaa | feared the wrath of the channel |
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| 19:49.47 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: I'd be interested in that discussion. |
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| 19:57.08 | jhutchins | johnfg: hplip is known for problems. |
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| 19:57.24 | jhutchins | johnfg: Windows programmers trying to write Linux code. |
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| 20:00.46 | rneese | hey guys having a issue with ssmtp pkg |
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| 20:01.02 | rneese | I am trying to install ti and it gives errors |
| 20:01.07 | rneese | Starting daemon monitor: monitmonit: Cannot translate 'odroid-jessie.hardkernel.net' to FQDN name -- Name or service not known |
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| 20:01.36 | rneese | also more errors |
| 20:01.50 | Warp4 | rneese, what are you trying to set up? |
| 20:02.21 | Warp4 | and you are most likely getting that error because that FQDN is not actually set up in DNS |
| 20:02.22 | rneese | ssmtp |
| 20:02.49 | rneese | well the box is a internal box with no real fqdn right now |
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| 20:02.56 | rneese | it only has a ip |
| 20:03.12 | Warp4 | then try adding the entry in /etc/hosts |
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| 20:03.44 | rneese | I did |
| 20:03.47 | rneese | Setting up ssmtp (2.64-7) ... hostname: Name or service not known dpkg: error processing ssmtp (--configure): |
| 20:04.17 | rneese | 127.0.0.1 localhost ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback fe00::0 ip6-localnet ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ip6-allnodes ff02::2 ip6-allrouters 127.0.0.1 odroid-wheezy.localhost odroid-wheezy 127.0.0.1 odroid-wheezy.hardkernal.net odroid-wheezy |
| 20:04.28 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 20:04.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:04.35 | rneese | as it is using dhcp right now to get a ip |
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| 20:04.44 | jhutchins | rneese: Is your hostname set for the system? |
| 20:04.55 | jhutchins | rneese: Does "hostname" return it? |
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| 20:05.08 | rneese | root@odroid-jessie:~# hostname odroid-jessie.hardkernel.net |
| 20:05.22 | mumpitze1 | that's not a hostname |
| 20:05.45 | rneese | hostname was odroid-jessie |
| 20:06.32 | rneese | I added the rest totry and fix the issue |
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| 20:06.38 | rneese | but it did not work |
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| 20:07.34 | rneese | Starting daemon monitor: monitmonit: Cannot translate 'odroid-jessie' to FQDN name -- Name or service not known . ok |
| 20:07.50 | rneese | hostname should only be the hostname not a fqdn |
| 20:08.01 | rneese | and ssmtp looks for a fqdn |
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| 20:08.34 | rneese | apt-get upgrade outputs this Setting up ssmtp (2.64-7) ... hostname: Name or service not known dpkg: error processing ssmtp (--configure): |
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| 20:08.50 | rneese | and hostname is installed |
| 20:09.10 | Warp4 | rneese, what are you trying to set up? perhaps ssmtp isnt the right tool for what you are trying to do |
| 20:09.36 | rneese | we have a mof in freeswitch called mod_voicemal |
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| 20:10.00 | rneese | reeswitch-mod-voicemail depends on mail-transport-agent |
| 20:10.28 | rneese | and by default every install we run it forces qmail in the install but we dont need a full mta |
| 20:10.30 | Warp4 | and did you install the mail-transport-agent package? |
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| 20:10.58 | Warp4 | so just be simple and use the default |
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| 20:12.10 | rneese | http://pastebin.ca/2465321 |
| 20:12.19 | rneese | we dont want qmail |
| 20:12.21 | Warp4 | and qmail IIRC only fires up what it needs |
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| 20:12.42 | rneese | we dont need a full mta |
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| 20:12.53 | rneese | we are doing a minimal install trying to keep it small |
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| 20:13.03 | rneese | it looks like ssmtp is forked |
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| 20:13.30 | rneese | the pastebin is the error when installing the voicemail mod |
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| 20:14.45 | Warp4 | yeah thats why i usually dont like using pre-packaged MTAs |
| 20:15.20 | rneese | well being they rm sendmail |
| 20:15.25 | rneese | this is now the issue |
| 20:15.53 | rneese | and the fact is we are working to make the install script fix this issue |
| 20:15.57 | Warp4 | and sendmail, well, don't even get me started :) |
| 20:16.43 | Warp4 | at least with qmail you can forcfe it to use any FQDN you want -- even if it is not in DNS |
| 20:16.46 | Warp4 | :) |
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| 20:17.27 | rneese | exim-daemon-light seems to have worked |
| 20:17.32 | rneese | it had no issue |
| 20:17.42 | rneese | so I now say its ssmtp is a broken pkg |
| 20:18.17 | johnfg | Here's one of the errors I'm getting: http://dpaste.com/1412460/ |
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| 20:18.37 | johnfg | At least the ipw2200 problem seems to be fixed. |
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| 20:19.58 | Warp4 | nods |
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| 20:28.05 | hermod | Hi there. since a while i am no longer able to send e-mails to gmail addresses due to missing PTR records (reverse DNS) from my server. Trying to fix that, I seem unable to figure out what and where I need to configure to get this working. |
| 20:28.10 | hermod | I have a root server (up until now without BIND) and a df.eu account to register and configure DNS entries. Could anyone tell me where I have to configure something? It seems I have to create a zone with BIND, but also a PTR record in my df.eu account (which is not possible)? Maybe someone knows a good howto on this? Thank you! |
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| 20:29.16 | hermod | Is it possible to configure reverse DNS while using something like df.eu or does it simply not work? |
| 20:29.22 | bzed | hermod: you have to ask the company which hosts your server to set the ptr records for your IP addresses, or to delegate the zone for them to your nameservers |
| 20:29.55 | hermod | But the DNS is not from the hosting company |
| 20:29.58 | hermod | Still? |
| 20:30.02 | rneese | [....] Starting daemon monitor: monitmonit: Cannot translate 'odroid-jessie' to FQDN name -- Name or service not known |
| 20:30.25 | rneese | still getting this issue |
| 20:30.30 | bzed | hermod: if you only have one IP, then for sure, yes. if you have a whole subnet, then you still have to talk to them |
| 20:30.31 | ahmadhesni | Hi, how to install sstp-client-1.0.9.tar.gz ? ./configure , ok! but 'make' not found in directory -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sstp-client/files/network-manager-sstp/0.9.8-1/ |
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| 20:32.12 | hermod | bzed: I see, thanks. I have one IPv4 address and a IPv6 subnet. I don't understand this, as my hoster has nothing to do with my DNS settings at all. But I guess they still "own" the IP and thus the information has to be set by them. Thanks, I'll contact them! |
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| 20:32.41 | ahmadhesni | Hi, how to install sstp-client.tar.gz ? ./configure , ok! but 'make' not found in directory -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sstp-client/files/network-manager-sstp/0.9.8-1/ |
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| 20:36.57 | acidchild | hello, i am trying to compile Monetdb on debian squeeze. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/wjnc9Z49.html |
| 20:37.06 | acidchild | not sure which depend i'm missing |
| 20:37.12 | acidchild | any enlightening suggestions? :) |
| 20:37.25 | rneese | ok I found the issue |
| 20:37.43 | rneese | it seems you can not set 127.0.0.1 with a fqdn |
| 20:37.51 | rneese | ssmtp does not like it |
| 20:38.20 | rneese | so I have to make shure they set a fqdn and info into the hosts file |
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| 20:38.24 | rneese | int he future |
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| 20:39.34 | ahmadhesni | how to install sstp-client.tar.gz ? ./configure , ok! but 'make' not found in directory -- install file in directory -> ./configure & make & make install !! :| |
| 20:40.23 | Warp4 | you need to install make |
| 20:40.39 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, did you install the build-essential package? |
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| 20:42.45 | JordiGH | Did Debian ever decide that maintaining symbol lists for C++ was futile? |
| 20:42.50 | JordiGH | For C++ libraries. |
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| 20:43.01 | bzed | JordiGH: why futile? |
| 20:43.18 | JordiGH | bzed: Because it's a ton of work that nobody really benefits from. |
| 20:43.36 | JordiGH | And because name mangling of C++ really complicates maintaining these symbol lists. |
| 20:43.45 | ahmadhesni | Warp4: yes |
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| 20:46.07 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, then you should already have make then |
| 20:46.30 | ahmadhesni | Warp4: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
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| 20:46.40 | Warp4 | ok then you have it then |
| 20:46.49 | Warp4 | run a 'which make' |
| 20:47.14 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, where did you get the ssmtp client? |
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| 20:49.03 | grandie | any suggestions for which pastebin to use with debian |
| 20:49.26 | berarma | grandie: paste.debian.net |
| 20:50.01 | grandie | thank you! |
| 20:50.51 | JordiGH | Aha: Policy 8.6: "However, maintaining exhaustive symbols information for a C++ library can be quite onerous, so shlibs files may be more appropriate for most C++ libraries." |
| 20:50.58 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, what arch of debian? |
| 20:52.00 | ahmadhesni | Warp4: ssmtp?! debian |
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| 20:52.37 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, by arch i mean 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 20:53.09 | ahmadhesni | Warp4: 64 |
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| 20:53.36 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, ive built an AMD64 .DEB if it if you would like to give it a try |
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| 20:55.08 | ahmadhesni | Warp4: ok, yes |
| 20:55.37 | Sysaxed | How can I see what shift+alt+ ... characters are available for my current keyboard layout? Where are all of the keyboard layout files located? |
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| 20:55.56 | Sysaxed | altgr* |
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| 20:56.59 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, you may need to modify the ssmtp.conf file |
| 20:57.07 | Warp4 | ahmadhesni, but that is the link to grab it |
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| 21:05.17 | Sysaxed | answering my own question: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols |
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| 21:07.31 | ahmadhesni | i cant install tar.gz . ./configure "ok" but make -> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
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| 21:11.13 | ompaul | ahmadhesni: what are you trying to install? |
| 21:11.29 | somiaj | ahmadhesni: sounds like you need to read the build instructions for this random tar.gz you have, what is it, where did you get it. is it somethign in the debian repos? |
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| 21:14.40 | bitglue | I think I may have stopped on some configuration introduced into sudo's configuration by a package. Is there some utility that I can query to discover what packages might have attempted to configure /etc/sudoers? |
| 21:14.56 | bitglue | I mean, may have stompped. ie, overwrote. |
| 21:15.21 | somiaj | debian packages should not do that. Did you install any unoffical packages? |
| 21:15.39 | somiaj | bitglue: do you have any files in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
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| 21:16.31 | bitglue | somiaj: I do, and I did, but I guess knowing that adding to /etc/sudoers.d is the proper way for packages to add to sudoers answers my question. |
| 21:17.07 | bitglue | I'm guessing the unofficial package I installed wasn't aware of that :) |
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| 21:29.14 | ahmadhesni | somiaj: install file in directory -> ./configure & make & make install :| |
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| 21:41.08 | ampw | hwo can i make afile executable in terminal |
| 21:41.27 | ampw | how can i make a file executable from terminal* |
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| 21:43.02 | thoonai | hey |
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| 21:43.39 | somiaj | ahmadhesni: that still tells us nothing about what this tar.gz is, and why we should support some random tar you got. (: |
| 21:43.44 | somiaj | ampw: chmod +x filename |
| 21:43.56 | somiaj | ampw: man chmod for more info |
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| 21:45.39 | thoonai | im having trouble with hostapd and missing randomness though i installed haveged |
| 21:46.12 | ampw | somiaj: thx |
| 21:46.49 | thoonai | though available randomness is greater then 2500 it trys to add randomness |
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| 21:48.44 | thoonai | anyone an idea? |
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| 21:56.55 | jhutchins | thoonai: Headless? |
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| 21:57.12 | thoonai | jhutchins: yes |
| 21:57.36 | jhutchins | THat's a serious flaw in the security architecture that is biting more and more people. |
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| 21:58.01 | jhutchins | thoonai: RedHat's engineers don't have a solution for it. |
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| 21:58.38 | thoonai | jhutchins: haveged should solve it, but its quite trying to add randomness |
| 21:59.01 | jhutchins | ,versions hostapd |
| 21:59.02 | judd | Package: hostapd on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.6.10-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:0.6.10-2+squeeze1; jessie: 1:1.0-3+b1; sid: 1:1.0-3+b1; wheezy: 1:1.0-3+b1 |
| 21:59.46 | jhutchins | The problem is that some apps look to keyboard/mouse input only for entropy. |
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| 22:01.10 | thoonai | jhutchins: that would be the worst thing on an headless device |
| 22:01.33 | thoonai | like how often do you play games on your broadband router :/ |
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| 22:02.35 | nell | Hey I transfered debian to my AMD machine and I wanna install drivers since I have a 6850 in this |
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| 22:03.10 | nell | How do I go about it for debian in particular? the installer is a bit outdated apparently |
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| 22:03.22 | nell | and I only found instructions for ubuntu |
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| 22:06.45 | dragonfly | nell: most of the time, ubuntu instructions will work on debian systems and vice-versa |
| 22:07.02 | dragonfly | however, nell, do you know the package name? |
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| 22:07.13 | nell | I'm following this right now https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
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| 22:08.11 | dragonfly | well, looks like you found exactly what you needed to find and should be able to get it goin' pretty quickly now |
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| 22:15.06 | somiaj | neantpastel: debian has a nvidia-legacy package for the older cards, install the dkms packages |
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| 22:15.28 | nell | damn now I have a little box in the corner from AMD saying unsupported hardware |
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| 22:18.21 | jhutchins | !ati |
| 22:18.21 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:19.32 | jhutchins | dragonfly: Proprietary software is one of the big breaks between debian and ubuntu. |
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| 22:20.14 | jhutchins | nell: Very much depends on which card and how the ATI developers are feeling this week. |
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| 22:39.52 | nell | Okay |
| 22:40.04 | nell | I correctly installed ati propietary drivers for my 6850 running wheezy |
| 22:40.08 | nell | but compiz still won't work |
| 22:40.15 | nell | my desktop effects |
| 22:43.33 | sary | perhaps it's on compiz end! |
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| 22:44.47 | monoglets | compiz sucks |
| 22:45.05 | nell | does compiz work on KDE + wheezy? |
| 22:45.06 | themill | more importantly, it's also not in wheezy |
| 22:45.10 | nell | I like the snow effect. |
| 22:45.24 | nell | aw man it's not wheezin? |
| 22:45.30 | nell | awwww |
| 22:45.35 | themill | !compiz |
| 22:45.36 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:46.12 | nell | well |
| 22:46.25 | nell | I'm on wheezy and I can't get desktop cube / invert to work |
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| 22:46.32 | nell | also I like compiz's snow feature ;( |
| 22:46.41 | nell | snow looks so nice when you are typing a document |
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| 22:59.20 | zrafa | Hi, I just installed debian testing, with xfce4 and gdm3. When gdm3 starts screen go black. But it does not look like out of sync of something like that. Because led on monitor is on as usua. |
| 22:59.24 | zrafa | l |
| 22:59.45 | zrafa | Then I checked and xorg was using intel_drv.so. I uninstall xserver-xorg..intel.. |
| 22:59.51 | zrafa | so it uses vesa |
| 23:00.12 | zrafa | But the result is the same. Black screen when X and gdm3 runs |
| 23:00.27 | zrafa | Somebody has some hint about what to check? |
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| 23:01.06 | somiaj | zrafa: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what xorg is complaining about |
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| 23:06.38 | zrafa | somiaj: xorg is fine |
| 23:06.43 | zrafa | somiaj: it does not complain |
| 23:06.52 | zrafa | somiaj: and looks like it is running all okey |
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| 23:22.05 | BenNZ | anyone have an idea why running 32bit debian testing + xfce using nvidia drivers would use 400mb ram with only mousepad and xchat open? the highest memory user is xorg at 6% after that conky at 0.54% , im used to seeing about half that with those open |
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| 23:27.12 | nejucomo | According to https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Policy#Shared_installation_area_for_Python_modules |
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| 23:27.26 | nejucomo | "/usr/share/pyshared: Every file into this directory is made available in /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages, if the package supports pythonX.Y and pythonX.Y is installed on the system." |
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| 23:28.00 | nejucomo | I just installed on Jessie python-cairo and I see /usr/shared/pyshared/python2.7/cairo/_cairo.so, but the directory /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages does not exist. |
| 23:28.19 | nejucomo | I cannot import "cairo" nor "_cairo" in python 2.7. |
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| 23:28.36 | ampw | excuse me, does Netflixwork on Debian |
| 23:29.18 | nejucomo | Should I file a bug against pycentral or python-cairo, or is that document out of date for Jessie? |
| 23:29.30 | LtL | ampw: i belive netflix requires silverlight now, which linux doess not have. |
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| 23:29.59 | ampw | LtL: right right... |
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| 23:33.22 | zrafa | somebody has some idea ? |
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| 23:34.13 | bezaban | do tools like chef/puppet/saltstack also provide update status on machines (via apt etc.)? |
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| 23:35.00 | bezaban | and the possibility to hold/apply updates to specified machines |
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| 23:35.39 | bezaban | like *shudder* WSUS |
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| 23:50.52 | sankey | if i copy over initrd and vmlinuz, but not the pool directory with all the packages |
| 23:51.02 | sankey | does this essentailly make it a netboot? |
| 23:51.21 | rryoumaa | will zfs hit backports? |
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| 23:52.50 | bezaban | sankey: netboot as in PXE and tftp? |
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| 23:53.09 | tomman | Hi! I'm having problems installing a multiarch package that I've just built from source |
| 23:53.25 | tomman | the AMD64 package installs fine, but the i386 part gives some bogus dependency error |
| 23:53.56 | sankey | bezaban: no, i mean what debian officially refers to as "netboot", i think. i.e. an installer without packages |
| 23:54.02 | sankey | thus, requires a network connection |
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| 23:58.07 | bezaban | sankey: oh sorry |
| 23:58.53 | bezaban | sankey: missed the context, are you trying to make your own netboot image? |
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| 23:59.38 | sankey | bezaban: well, ideally i want to copy over the pool directory, but i'm making a multiboot USB |
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| 23:59.45 | bezaban | ie. what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:59.51 | bezaban | aaah |
