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| 00:00.09 | CygniX | I hope the php package in wheezy works with the build |
| 00:00.19 | daemonkeeper | Mind you that you cannot install any libapache2-* package anymore now. You need to backport them. |
| 00:00.29 | daemonkeeper | The ABIs and APIs differ. |
| 00:00.57 | Krisx | abrotman: I looked at "modinfo e1000" and "modinfo 8139too" and didn't really find anything useful, at least to my eyes. "modinfo -h" doesn't show any helpful options for this either. |
| 00:00.59 | daemonkeeper | That's a generic problem, Apache 2.2 modules do not work with Apache 2.4. |
| 00:01.07 | CygniX | so everything here on must be built from source? |
| 00:01.22 | daemonkeeper | Exactly, like the way you just did for Apache itself. |
| 00:01.31 | CygniX | OK, good to know |
| 00:02.03 | abrotman | Krisx: lspci -nn, what is the pci id of your NIC? |
| 00:03.30 | Krisx | abrotman: im not sure what NIC stands for, but im assuming you mean my Ethernet controller [10ec:8139] |
| 00:03.54 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: 'apt-get -b source packagename' and install from here on... |
| 00:04.06 | mgodzilla | my httpd.conf is empty. |
| 00:04.15 | mgodzilla | there should be a config in there? |
| 00:04.34 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: Yes. Always for the sid/testing package of course. |
| 00:04.36 | CygniX | mgodzilla: the file in debian ia apache2.confi |
| 00:04.38 | abrotman | judd: pciid 10ec:8139 |
| 00:04.39 | judd | [10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139 |
| 00:04.59 | Krisx | ah nice. |
| 00:05.02 | daemonkeeper | apache 2.4 does not even have httpd.conf anymor. |
| 00:05.07 | daemonkeeper | Even 2.2 in Wheezy |
| 00:05.18 | CygniX | mgodzilla: apache2.conf * |
| 00:05.30 | abrotman | Krisx: make more sense ? |
| 00:06.19 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: in 2.2, I had apache2.conf |
| 00:06.36 | Krisx | abrotman: well the bot is cool, but I haven't really made any progress. It says im using the right module, so im pretty lost actually. |
| 00:06.39 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: In Squeeze, not in Wheezy. |
| 00:06.54 | CygniX | hmmm |
| 00:07.03 | themill | daemonkeeper: is there some distilled wisdom that might address a future FAQ that you can teach dpkg? |
| 00:07.17 | daemonkeeper | themill: For apache 2.4 and wheezy? |
| 00:07.25 | mgodzilla | CygniX: i looked in there. |
| 00:07.31 | themill | daemonkeeper: for the config scheme |
| 00:07.33 | mgodzilla | just not sure what to look for to resolve my issue. |
| 00:07.43 | mgodzilla | i dont' think vhosts apply to what i'm tryin' to do. |
| 00:07.46 | mgodzilla | i could be wrong. |
| 00:07.49 | daemonkeeper | themill: Ah, yes. It's all documented in README.Debian and even apache2.conf though. |
| 00:08.02 | daemonkeeper | And yes, nobody reads that. |
| 00:08.07 | themill | :) |
| 00:08.24 | CygniX | mgodzilla: I had apache2.conf in /etc/apache2 but daemonkeeper is saying it shouldnt be, so I dont really kow |
| 00:08.29 | CygniX | am new to debian |
| 00:08.31 | themill | daemonkeeper: A factoid that says that and points to README.Debian in the VCS would be great |
| 00:08.40 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: apache2.conf should be there, httpd.conf not. |
| 00:08.40 | mgodzilla | that's where i have mine. |
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| 00:08.59 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: sorry, then I misunderstood |
| 00:09.01 | daemonkeeper | themill: What's your favorite key you have in mind? |
| 00:09.06 | mgodzilla | hmm...imma delete it from that directory, and see. |
| 00:09.29 | mgodzilla | cd /etc/apache2 |
| 00:09.29 | mgodzilla | ls |
| 00:09.32 | mgodzilla | oops |
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| 00:10.06 | themill | daemonkeeper: "apache config"? I might make an httpd.conf → there is no httpd.conf, see <apache config> depending on what you put in the factoid ;) |
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| 00:11.13 | Ziber | I'm trying to install Debian via netboot, specifically via an initrd and vmlinuz kernel files so I can install it onto a Xen VM. How can I do that? |
| 00:11.19 | mgodzilla | i don't that that worked. |
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| 00:11.44 | mgodzilla | cd /home/ |
| 00:11.44 | mgodzilla | ls |
| 00:11.47 | mgodzilla | damn. |
| 00:11.47 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: doe php needs to be rebuilt or just libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 00:12.01 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: It's all the same source. |
| 00:12.10 | CygniX | O_o |
| 00:12.15 | CygniX | this is not fun |
| 00:12.26 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: The php5 source package builds a 50 of binary packages or so. |
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| 00:12.33 | daemonkeeper | libapache2-mod-php5 amongs them. |
| 00:12.36 | daemonkeeper | *amongst |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | Krisx: tried another cable? |
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| 00:13.14 | CygniX | probably best then I remove the current package before doing anyhting to avoid that dependency cycle |
| 00:13.20 | Krisx | abrotman: tried a cable i knew works on a port on the router I know works also :/ sadly |
| 00:13.22 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 00:14.40 | CygniX | wow, this means, postgres package has to be rebuilt too |
| 00:14.48 | CygniX | this could be dangerous |
| 00:15.27 | abrotman | Krisx: and this happens intermittently? |
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| 00:18.03 | Krisx | abrotman: seems very inconsistent if that's what you're asking. |
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| 00:18.40 | meatbag | hi |
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| 00:19.14 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: apache config is <reply> Debian's apache2 web server is configured through /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, and /etc/apache2/envvars. All pieces of configuration need a ".conf" suffix starting with apache 2.4. Use a2en{mod,conf,site} to include site-specific configuration from /etc/apache2/{sites,mods,conf}-available. See /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian or http://deb.li/3jUSV for a full documentation of the Debian configuration style. |
| 00:19.14 | dpkg | okay, daemonkeeper |
| 00:19.16 | daemonkeeper | themill: -^ |
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| 00:21.20 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: No, why postgres? |
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| 00:21.48 | CygniX | my mail server uses postgress |
| 00:21.50 | daemonkeeper | The PHP languange bindings to postgres, if any. But those hopefully only need postgres dev packages from Wheezy. |
| 00:22.02 | CygniX | and the php websites too daemonkeeper |
| 00:22.07 | daemonkeeper | Huh? |
| 00:22.22 | themill | daemonkeeper: thanks |
| 00:22.26 | daemonkeeper | You need to rebuild all reverse dependencies of the apache2 binary. Everything else not. |
| 00:22.27 | abrotman | Krisx: and rebooting again would fix it ? |
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| 00:22.47 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: OK good to know |
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| 00:24.39 | Krisx | abrotman: eh, not really, it has rebooted and worked before. But its unlikely, i usually dhclient or ifdown ifup or something of that nature and it seems work. But recently absolutely nothing has worked. |
| 00:24.47 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: however, looks like systemd packages will need to be rebuilt too |
| 00:25.08 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: err. whut? systemd not all depends on systemd. |
| 00:25.18 | daemonkeeper | (but gnome-user-share which is another story) |
| 00:25.32 | CygniX | it's a headless server |
| 00:25.35 | daemonkeeper | "systemd not all depends on apache" |
| 00:25.40 | daemonkeeper | should read. |
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| 00:28.20 | CygniX | I am a little surprise given the galore of debian packages and users, that there is repository housing apache 2.4 |
| 00:28.35 | CygniX | there isn't* |
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| 00:29.11 | daemonkeeper | Because it's next to impossible to do in Stable by meeting Stable's update criteria. |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | Krisx: oh wait, you said it's a reserved DHCP IP based on the MAC ? |
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| 00:32.55 | Krisx | abrotman: yes |
| 00:34.35 | CygniX | this is going to be a fun dependency cylcle http://paste.debian.net/58109/ |
| 00:35.09 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: stop now. You do it wrong. |
| 00:35.15 | daemonkeeper | You DO NOT need to backport systemd. |
| 00:35.20 | daemonkeeper | or postgres. |
| 00:35.32 | daemonkeeper | themill: btw. I made <apache backport> too. |
| 00:35.34 | CygniX | stopped |
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| 00:37.02 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: Why do you think you need to backport systemd? |
| 00:37.24 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: when trying to build php5 |
| 00:37.34 | CygniX | it complained abou the version |
| 00:37.41 | daemonkeeper | What version? |
| 00:39.27 | abrotman | Krisx: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file again |
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| 00:39.33 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: http://paste.debian.net/58114/ |
| 00:39.53 | gnarface | CygniX: so, the actual question then is why do you need to build php5? |
| 00:40.20 | CygniX | gnarface: because apache was built from sid |
| 00:40.21 | Krisx | abrotman: i have the image right here: http://i.imgur.com/qF7clJw.jpg |
| 00:40.53 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: I don't even want to know WTH PHP does needing an init script. But you can just remove dh-systemd from debian/control and --with systemd from debian/rules and try again. You won't miss anything but systemd init recipe support. |
| 00:41.06 | gnarface | CygniX: ... so, the actual question is then why you thought you needed to build apache from sid for... |
| 00:41.07 | themill | daemonkeeper: fun. Not exactly a "simple" sid backport at this stage :) |
| 00:41.21 | daemonkeeper | themill: !apache backport |
| 00:41.23 | gnarface | CygniX: note that the leading cause of wasting time on debian is building stuff yourself because you assumed there wouldn't be a proper packgae already |
| 00:41.28 | themill | has read it |
| 00:41.42 | daemonkeeper | themill: I love it how backporting apache breaks Gnome :> |
| 00:42.07 | themill | :) |
| 00:42.17 | CygniX | gnarface: it has to do with apache 2.2 not supporting foward secrecy |
| 00:42.31 | gnarface | CygniX: prove it |
| 00:42.37 | CygniX | lol |
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| 00:42.45 | CygniX | OK, give me one sec |
| 00:43.47 | CygniX | gnarface: https://community.qualys.com/thread/11796 |
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| 00:44.15 | abrotman | Krisx: so unles i'm mistaken, that hsould read "allow-hotplug eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 00:45.00 | CygniX | if you are running apache 2.2.2, gnarface you can run your ssl through the link on that site, and it's tell you |
| 00:45.15 | CygniX | in fact, you dont even have to, check it with your own browswer |
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| 00:46.27 | mo1991 | Can someone help me enabling clean url's for apache on debian jessie? When I was on Wheezy, the key was to edit the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default file. This file, however, does not exist on Jessie. |
| 00:46.32 | mo1991 | Any help? |
| 00:46.46 | daemonkeeper | !apache config |
| 00:46.46 | dpkg | Debian's apache2 web server is configured through /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, and /etc/apache2/envvars. All pieces of configuration need a ".conf" suffix starting with apache 2.4. Use a2en{mod,conf,site} to include site-specific configuration from /etc/apache2/{sites,mods,conf}-available. See /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian or http://deb.li/3jUSV for a full documentation of the Debian configuration style. |
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| 00:47.11 | daemonkeeper | Thank god themill convinced me 2 seconds ago to write that. |
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| 00:47.37 | themill | \o/ |
| 00:47.42 | linux-fox | hi,all |
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| 00:47.57 | Sary | mo1991: just state your issue with details. |
| 00:48.18 | daemonkeeper | The issue is, mo1991 did not read the NEWS file. :> |
| 00:49.18 | daemonkeeper | sites-enabled/default moved to sites-enabled/000-default.conf |
| 00:49.35 | Krisx | abrotman: how would I apply the changes? |
| 00:49.40 | mo1991 | Daemonkeeper - this file also does not exist? |
| 00:49.42 | daemonkeeper | Or rather sites-available. the upgrade takes care if you did not modify it, otherwise you need to do yourself. |
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| 00:50.15 | mo1991 | Ok - so sites available has replaced sites-enabled? |
| 00:50.50 | daemonkeeper | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-apache/apache2.git;a=blob;f=debian/apache2.NEWS;h=76a728d918a80b586613f512485e20c4cc018a84;hb=HEAD#l32 |
| 00:51.21 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: I am thinking it might be best to just say screw windows users. this is going to be too much of a headache |
| 00:51.55 | gnarface | CygniX: well, i hope you checked the change log for the apache 2.2 package in wheezy to make sure they didn't backport a patch already, nullifying all your hard work |
| 00:52.30 | CygniX | gnarface: I hope and pray there is a backport, but dont know really |
| 00:52.31 | gnarface | CygniX: if you actually need it there's nothing i can tell you of comfort though. |
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| 00:52.55 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: [23:16] <daemonkeeper> (or just don't care. World won't end if you don't use ECDHE yet) - I told you right that 4 hours ago :> |
| 00:53.07 | CygniX | LoL |
| 00:53.11 | CygniX | yes you did |
| 00:53.53 | hesco | Dagger2 earlier suggested that I ought to get my ipv4 working before I expect apt-get update to work. This machine is destined to serve as a compute node on my first ever open stack installation. While I have been doing sysadmin for years now, I have only ever faked network administration. So I took some time to purchase a few books on the subject so I can bone up next week. While I wait on delivery, can anyone please advise me how t |
| 00:53.55 | hesco | o tear down a broken eth1, vnet0 and br0 I created trying to test my kvm installation? I've commented out the configuration for them in /etc/network/interfaces, but /etc/init.d/networking restart leaves them in place. |
| 00:54.03 | gnarface | am i reading this right, that it only matters if you're not using iOS safari, firefox, chrome or opera? |
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| 00:54.13 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper - I have read your link, it seems that the files need a .conf extension now, my question now is do I still put default.conf in sites-enabled or sites-available. your above notes confused me? |
| 00:54.17 | gnarface | as in (basically it only affects IE and nothing else) |
| 00:54.19 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: An Apache 2.4 backport is massive task and everything but trivial. That's because Apache is a huge package systems with _lots_ of reverse dependencies interacting with Apache in one way or another. |
| 00:54.22 | CygniX | gnarface: it's an issue with windows users |
| 00:54.32 | gnarface | yea, that's what i thought |
| 00:54.45 | gnarface | tell them to just sack up and use firefox |
| 00:54.50 | gnarface | stop being little primadonnas |
| 00:54.57 | CygniX | yep |
| 00:55.00 | Krisx | abrotman: I restarted and its working! Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into helping me. I greatly appreciate it. |
| 00:55.03 | daemonkeeper | mo1991: You do in sites-available (actually it's already there) and enable it with a2ensite. |
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| 00:55.12 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: I think am giving up on this task for now |
| 00:55.18 | CygniX | It was educational however |
| 00:55.27 | CygniX | it wasnt a wasted effort |
| 00:55.34 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper, I have already enabled a2ensite, just wasn't sure about the directory change |
| 00:55.42 | gnarface | will never understand the insistence that the entire internet should have to bend over backwards to keep ie6 on life support for another decade |
| 00:56.09 | CygniX | gnarface: i think it goes up to ie11 |
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| 00:56.13 | gnarface | ouch |
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| 00:57.11 | abrotman | Krisx: ifdown/ifup |
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| 00:57.33 | Krisx | abrotman: i did that, and it didn't work, but the restart did it |
| 00:57.54 | gnarface | CygniX: well what you need to do can be accomplished its just tedious and there's no going back once you've backported bleeding-edge openssl and all its dependencies |
| 00:58.22 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper - I don't understand how to enable it with a2ensite. This config file looks different than the old sites-enabled default site. |
| 00:58.22 | daemonkeeper | You don't need to backport OpenSSL, but Apache. |
| 00:58.24 | CygniX | gnarface: fortunately, i was wise not to do it on a productive site |
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| 00:58.30 | mo1991 | I was previously using http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11290975/enabling-clean-urls-drupal-7-in-htaccess-on-debian to configure |
| 00:58.42 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: does it not require openssl 1.0.1 ? |
| 00:59.08 | gnarface | oh my bad |
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| 00:59.11 | gnarface | that's actually in wheezy |
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| 00:59.25 | gnarface | confused squeeze issues with wheezy issues |
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| 00:59.31 | hehe13123 | https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads?keys=&download_type=11&download_version=All |
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| 00:59.45 | hehe13123 | Will Intel(R) Linux* Graphics Installer version 1.0.2 install on debian? |
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| 00:59.58 | hehe13123 | If I use Linux Graphics Installer for Ubuntu* 13.04, 32-bit |
| 01:00.34 | daemonkeeper | mo1991: Of course it looks different. You use a bleeding edge version of Debian shipping Apache 2.4 |
| 01:00.38 | hesco | Skipping the story, getting right to the request: can anyone please advise me how to tear down a broken eth1, vnet0 and br0 I created trying to test my kvm installation? I've commented out the configuration for them in /etc/network/interfaces, but /etc/init.d/networking restart leaves them in ifconfig output. |
| 01:00.43 | Krisx | abrotman: anyways, thanks again for all your help. I'm out, hope you have a good day. :) |
| 01:00.51 | daemonkeeper | Among other changes it also changes the ACLs in configurations. |
| 01:00.52 | bigterd | is there a good list of sata pci/pcie/pcix list of accaptable/stable chipsets printed somewhere? |
| 01:01.03 | CygniX | couldn't i just upgrade to Jessy? |
| 01:01.16 | daemonkeeper | You could. |
| 01:01.18 | CygniX | thouht still in testing |
| 01:01.28 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: am goign to do that |
| 01:01.33 | gnarface | hesco: when you commented them out, you made /etc/init.d/networking restart ignore them. it can't even shut them down if it can't find them in its own config. |
| 01:01.49 | CygniX | not on the productive system of course |
| 01:01.57 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: Remove your backported packages before. |
| 01:02.04 | daemonkeeper | They are linked against Wheezy ABIs. |
| 01:02.10 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper - so how do I enable clean url's in the 000-default fiie? Previously I simple changed a line to AllowOverride to All |
| 01:02.19 | gnarface | hesco: what you should have done is use ifdown [device] on them one by one (in reverse order of creation, probably) and *then* restart networking after commending them out |
| 01:02.20 | daemonkeeper | That's not related at all. |
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| 01:02.43 | daemonkeeper | AllowOverride all allows you to override Apache configurations through .htaccess. |
| 01:02.49 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: a distribution ugrade wont force the packages? |
| 01:02.56 | hesco | thanks gnarface: will try that |
| 01:03.10 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: Sure. But it does based on the version, and guess what you just did :> |
| 01:04.03 | CygniX | All apache packages are no removed |
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| 01:04.28 | daemonkeeper | Don't forget about apr. |
| 01:04.41 | gnarface | hesco: another option (if you have local access to the console) is to just issue an "/etc/init.d/networking stop" then comment the extraneous devices out, then issue a "/etc/init.d/networking start" but that of course won't work if you needed the network to finish the task |
| 01:04.42 | hesco | gnarface: well I messed that up seriously. |
| 01:04.52 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: removed too |
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| 01:05.07 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: you mean libaprutil* |
| 01:05.16 | hesco | I went ifdown eth0, when I meant to do that to eth1 |
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| 01:05.45 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: All of libapr* you installed from the backport. |
| 01:06.11 | gnarface | hesco: if your /etc/network/interfaces file is good and if there are no other gui utils or weird non-stock customizations screwing with stuff, most the time its good enough to just reboot the thing with a valid /etc/network/interfaces file but again the whole danger of locking oneself out if you don't have physical access to the machine is a danger |
| 01:06.28 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper - That may have just been the workaround way I did before to allow .htacces configs to work. Is there a good howto on the way to do this in the new apache? |
| 01:06.30 | hesco | looks like I am heading to the data center in the morning. |
| 01:06.58 | gnarface | hesco: sorry |
| 01:07.16 | daemonkeeper | mo1991: It's the same in that regard. Ensure your 000-default.conf is loaded, enable allowoverride all and hope your virtual host (i.e. Drupal) ships a htaccess file. |
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| 01:07.40 | gnarface | hesco: when doing this remotely, it helps a lot to have a second back door |
| 01:08.04 | CygniX | use a dlink router |
| 01:08.10 | gnarface | or ipmi |
| 01:08.23 | gnarface | cute, Cybertinus |
| 01:08.27 | gnarface | er, CygniX |
| 01:08.31 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper - drupal setup is the same as before , just having trouble withe the new apache config - so your saying to add the section for allowing overides to the 000-default.conf file? Because currently it doesn't have anything like that in the file |
| 01:08.31 | gnarface | (ignore me Cybertinus ) |
| 01:08.39 | CygniX | here is my current sources.list http://paste.debian.net/58125/ what need to change to go to Jessy? |
| 01:08.59 | gnarface | CygniX: first of all, your spelling of Jessie |
| 01:09.20 | CygniX | sorry, my apoligies, Jessie, that is |
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| 01:09.51 | daemonkeeper | !jessie sources.list |
| 01:09.52 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for you to help with preparing the Jessie release is: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main", but you knew that already, didn't you? Ask me about <testing> <moving target> <testing security> and make sure you understand the implications of running Jessie. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
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| 01:10.31 | CygniX | ok replace j with w, got it |
| 01:10.47 | daemonkeeper | mo1991: Yes. You want to add a <Directory> directive. I suggest you read about Apache's configuration syntax in the docs. |
| 01:11.02 | gnarface | CygniX: at first glance you need to remove lines 4, 13, and 14, and change all remaining instances of "wheezy" to "jessie" |
| 01:11.38 | CygniX | ok thanks |
| 01:11.40 | hesco | gnarface: soon enough all that will be in place. I just moved into this data center two weeks ago. still waiting on the switch for the management subnet. But the CTO of the DC picked up my technical support call and looks like he may be able to get me a reboot this evening. |
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| 01:12.15 | gnarface | CygniX: note that though, those lines hint you've been backporting, which, if not done very carefully, probably will sabotage your upgrade. read the release notes and take a full backup first |
| 01:12.17 | hesco | not bad service for a 3u rental. |
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| 01:13.24 | CygniX | gnarface: it's being done a test system which is a copy of productive one |
| 01:13.32 | gnarface | hesco: if you can't get a free reboot from on-site staff in a caged environment within 24 hours you need a new hosting provider. |
| 01:14.48 | gnarface | CygniX: very good |
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| 01:17.05 | gnarface | hesco: fyi though, they do sell internet-controllable PSU bars for situations where you can't get that and don't have fancy enough server hardware to include an IPMI backplane |
| 01:17.06 | hesco | gnarface: I expected a reboot in the morning. but not at 9pm tonight. |
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| 01:18.06 | gnarface | in some cases a remote control power strip is much cheaper, because a secure IPMI rollout usually requires an entirely separate dedicated network |
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| 01:18.48 | gnarface | the difference is probably somewhere above the number of servers you can typically plug into a single power strip |
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| 01:19.35 | gnarface | hesco: seriously though, reputable datacenters have staff onsite 24/7/365 |
| 01:19.51 | gnarface | hesco: chances are most of them charge less than what you're paying too |
| 01:19.57 | gnarface | hesco: they're just not advertising as hard |
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| 01:21.57 | hehe13123 | Has anyone installed the intel gfx drivers before on debian? They installer is only for Ubuntu =\ |
| 01:22.03 | hehe13123 | -the |
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| 01:22.45 | gnarface | hehe13123: the answer to the question you asked: nope. never. fuck em. |
| 01:22.50 | hehe13123 | =] |
| 01:22.54 | hesco | gnarface: $107 / 3u, and $32 for each additional u. There on-call guy lives 10 minutes away. almost as good as on-site. |
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| 01:23.08 | hehe13123 | so there's no benefits? |
| 01:23.31 | gnarface | hehe13123: the answer to the question you begged: chances are you need to enable non-free and install the debian-provided package instead of the generic one from intel's developer beta test site or whatever you got. nobody has this problem you're having that actually uses debian. |
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| 01:24.01 | CygniX | !roadmap |
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| 01:24.07 | gnarface | hesco: yea, but that doesn't include bandwidth or power. this is off-topic but i'll be happy to tell you how much you're being robbed in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:24.36 | CygniX | no factoid roadmap no release schedude |
| 01:24.43 | hesco | This is the first time I have ever locked myself out of a machine in all these years though. In the early days when I was still learning iptables, I would wrap my tests in scripts which backed me out in case I got it wrong. |
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| 01:25.47 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: The Jessie freeze date is planned for November 5, 2014. |
| 01:25.58 | daemonkeeper | Thus, a Jessie release might happen roundabout June 2015. |
| 01:26.40 | CygniX | wow, that a ways |
| 01:26.59 | CygniX | is ^ |
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| 01:28.07 | cZk | MrGeneral o/ |
| 01:28.16 | hehe13123 | Anyone know how to install steam for wheezy? |
| 01:28.19 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: This is not Ubuntu. A usual Debian release cycle lasts 3 years. |
| 01:28.33 | MrGeneral | cZk, hey \o |
| 01:28.44 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: Which is good if you are a serious system administrator :> |
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| 01:29.18 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: that is why I chose debian for server over the distro i use for desktop |
| 01:29.35 | CygniX | the long term support and stabiility |
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| 01:30.54 | hehe13123 | E: Unable to locate package steam_latest.deb |
| 01:30.55 | hehe13123 | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'steam_latest.deb' |
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| 01:31.36 | hacfi_ | hi there |
| 01:32.28 | hacfi_ | I’m trying to install a programme on debian 7 and I can only find an old script which contains "start .." but that command isn’t recognized anymore |
| 01:32.47 | zenlunatic | CygniX: why not use Jessie on desktop? help squash bugs. |
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| 01:33.00 | hacfi_ | how can I run a programme which has a conf file in /etc/init ? |
| 01:33.43 | CygniX | zenlunatic: my current desktop is like a religion |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | zenlunatic: because it's not always stable enough for a desktop |
| 01:34.01 | zenlunatic | abrotman: i dont believe i was asking you |
| 01:34.44 | CygniX | zenlunatic: you never know, I am really starting to like debian. just have to get a hang of the package managment scheme |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | zenlunatic: That's nice and all, but your advice could have horrible consequences |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | nevermind that it's a public channel |
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| 01:36.25 | hacfi_ | I’m trying to install otrs with nginx if that helps |
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| 01:37.00 | abrotman | hacfi_: otrs is already packaged .. do the packages not work correctly? |
| 01:37.17 | hacfi_ | abrotman: it’s a little outdated |
| 01:37.25 | abrotman | a little? or unusable? |
| 01:37.35 | hacfi_ | turns out I’m just missing the upstart script |
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| 01:38.33 | hacfi_ | 3.1.7 and the most recent one is 3.2.11 |
| 01:38.48 | hacfi_ | if I don’t get it running in the next 15 min I’ll try the package |
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| 01:41.29 | hacfi_ | is there a quick way to get the init.d script from a package? |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hacfi_ about run at startup |
| 01:42.29 | hacfi_ | thx abrotman |
| 01:42.34 | zenlunatic | abrotman: i know official policy is use stable unless you know what youre doing, but debian has made strides in security, stability, etc... for the development branches |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | zenlunatic: you are mistaken, very much so |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | zenlunatic: there is no security support for testing or unstable |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | and as for stability, that depends on which way the wind blows that day |
| 01:44.10 | zenlunatic | abrotman: ive read otherwise |
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| 01:44.34 | abrotman | zenlunatic: years ago, "testing security" was a thing, in reality, it contains nothing |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | and unstable has never had any notion of security support |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | and if you're referring to CUT, that's also a myth |
| 01:44.59 | zenlunatic | that lwn article must have been dated |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | so if you're willing to use a distro with no true security support, and a modicum of stability, use whatever you'd like \o/ |
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| 01:47.28 | hacfi_ | Oh..I was missing "upstart" |
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| 01:56.16 | hacfi_ | lol..I killed the server |
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| 01:58.53 | abrotman | not surprised |
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| 02:01.37 | mo1991 | daemonkeeper - I have added the directory section and allow overide etc to /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf but still no clean urls. You mentioned that I may need to make sure 000-default.conf is enabled? Can you explain? |
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| 02:02.04 | peterS | mo1991: he means use 'a2ensite' |
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| 02:04.56 | mo1991 | peterS and daemonkeeper - thank you much. Clean urls on Jessie all set. I appreciate it. |
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| 02:06.36 | mo1991 | peterS. I don't recall having to use the a2ensite on wheezy - I'm fairly new to drupal / apache setup though |
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| 02:07.37 | peterS | mo1991: hmmm, I think the default apache install has the 000-default site enabled. But it's possible that some upgrade scenarios don't leave it enabled |
| 02:08.19 | peterS | mo1991: daemonkeeper would know more, it seems he does most of the apache work these days. (I'm theoretically on the apache maint team but it's been a long time since I've done any real work there) |
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| 02:08.49 | n0c | how do i tell dpkg to install all dependencies when using -i filename.deb |
| 02:08.57 | n0c | instead of giving up / failing |
| 02:09.25 | peterS | n0c: dpkg doesn't know where the dependencies are. it doesn't know how to mount a CD, or download stuff. use a frontend that _does_ know how, like apt or aptitude. |
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| 02:10.03 | mo1991 | peterS - not sure, but running Jessie and doing the a2ensite command and then selecting the 000-default.conf did the trick for me. So perhaps it's not default on Jessie yet..... Anyway glad its all set :) |
| 02:10.08 | peterS | n0c: dpkg itself doesn't know anything about where to _get_ packages, it just installs the .deb files you explicitly tell it about |
| 02:10.16 | hacfi_ | so the updated to 7.2 wasn’t such a good idea |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | n0c: so you `dpkg -i foo.deb;apt-get -f install' and it will generally do the right thing IIRC |
| 02:11.56 | n0c | peterS: how do i use aptitude with a downloaded deb though?? |
| 02:12.07 | peterS | ...or 'dpkg --unpack' if you don't want to see the dependency errors, since those only happen after the unpack phase (: |
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| 02:12.36 | peterS | n0c: do what abrotman suggests |
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| 02:13.47 | n0c | excellent thank you |
| 02:15.34 | hacfi_ | Debian on a server doesn’t start anymore after upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2...any ideas? |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | you should also note you installed upstart |
| 02:16.10 | hacfi_ | during the installation there was some question on where to install grub and it suggest to do it on all partition if you didn’t know which one to choose so that’s what I did |
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| 02:17.29 | n0c | i'm getting an issue |
| 02:17.34 | n0c | http://hastebin.com/dajebosole.vhdl |
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| 02:19.48 | peterS | your hastebin.com just shows me a mostly blank screen |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | ia32-libs doesn't exist anymore really, so whatever packge you're using is out of date |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | wtf is wine-compholio ? |
| 02:20.21 | n0c | abrotman: trying to get frigging netflix working on debian |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | judd: versions wine-compholio |
| 02:20.24 | judd | No package named 'wine-compholio' was found in i386. |
| 02:20.26 | n0c | it worked under stbale |
| 02:20.32 | n0c | stable.. but now i'm on testing |
| 02:20.47 | n0c | i think it still requires multiarch |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | judd: versions ia32-libs |
| 02:20.50 | judd | No package named 'ia32-libs' was found in i386. |
| 02:20.54 | abrotman | judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 02:20.55 | judd | Package: ia32-libs on amd64 -- squeeze: 20130215; squeeze-proposed-updates: 20131011; wheezy: 1:0.4; jessie: 1:0.5; sid: 1:0.5 |
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| 02:22.09 | peterS | wow, never heard of this hastebin.com ... but if it's a paste site that actually requires javascript just to show a blob of pasted text ... how useless is that? |
| 02:22.23 | n0c | i love hastebin |
| 02:22.27 | n0c | it's very quick |
| 02:22.35 | n0c | but yeah if you can't use it, it may suck |
| 02:22.36 | peterS | yeah I agree it loaded the empty page pretty fast |
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| 02:22.42 | n0c | lol |
| 02:23.33 | hesco | gnarface, Dagger2: got my machine rebooted with some remote hands assistance, that restored the network to its condition before I started messing with creating a br0 bridge, but my apt-get update is still failing in excatly the same way: https://gist.github.com/hesco/39b18f5b3f9c260f596b |
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| 02:24.51 | gnarface | hesco: first order of business should be to determine the problem |
| 02:24.58 | peterS | hesco: can you ping the server? ping6 2610:148:1f00:6f00:216:36ff:fe8e:1308 |
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| 02:25.27 | hesco | ping: unknown host 2610:148:1f00:6f00:216:36ff:fe8e:1308 |
| 02:25.37 | peterS | hesco: I said ping6, not ping |
| 02:25.49 | hacfi_ | any suggestions how I can try to repair my system after upgrading to 7.2 and installing upstart? |
| 02:26.01 | peterS | plain old ping doesn't support IPv6 (or the version I have doesn't) |
| 02:26.21 | gnarface | hesco: from what you've shown me there could still be two problems: 1) those sources don't look official. 2) you didn't show me a network test, you only showed me a test of the sources. they could be down independently of the network itself. "ifconfig -a" and the current contents of "/etc/network/interfaces" would have been more useful to post. we can already infer apt-get update wouldn't work by your original questio |
| 02:26.21 | gnarface | n so that was a waste of time. |
| 02:27.02 | hesco | coming at you |
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| 02:27.40 | peterS | I know gatech.edu has an official debian mirror, can't remember the exact hostname but that one could be it |
| 02:27.46 | peterS | in other words it probably _is_ official |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | hesco: still? what happened to Dagger2 ? |
| 02:28.45 | nlsthzn | clementine 1.2 has a dependency liblastfm0 which is not availble in jessie... anyway of still installing it if using jessie? |
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| 02:29.27 | abrotman | nlsthzn: it's liblastfm1 now |
| 02:29.29 | peterS | nlsthzn: uh where are you getting clementine 1.2? it doesn't seem to be in any debian release |
| 02:29.33 | hesco | gnarface, peterS: as requested: https://gist.github.com/hesco/39b18f5b3f9c260f596b |
| 02:30.16 | nlsthzn | peterS, it is availble as a deb from their site |
| 02:30.44 | peterS | hesco: hmmm your system shouldn't be trying to use IPv6 since your only IPv6 address is 'scope link'. to make sure of this though, try 'ip a' instead of 'ifconfig -a'. ifconfig only shows the first address for a given interface, ip shows all of them. |
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| 02:31.06 | peterS | nlsthzn: then ask _them_ where to find the library it needs, I guess. they must have some idea as they built the deb in the first place |
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| 02:31.13 | gnarface | hesco: it seems somehow i lost an important bit of information; after a clean reboot, why is eth1 up even though its commented out in /etc/network/interfaces??? |
| 02:31.32 | peterS | gnarface: it isn't up, if it were up it would say "UP" on the line that says "BROADCAST" |
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| 02:31.43 | peterS | gnarface: 'ifconfig -a' shows interfaces that aren't up as well as those that are |
| 02:31.44 | nlsthzn | peterS, true but as you can imagine the debs are for stable etc. and not testing |
| 02:31.47 | gnarface | oh my bad yea you're right peterS |
| 02:32.08 | nlsthzn | thanks abrotman |
| 02:32.10 | gnarface | peterS, hesco: sorry i just misread and thought i saw "UP" in there |
| 02:32.22 | hesco | ok, ip a output appended to end of paste at: https://gist.github.com/hesco/39b18f5b3f9c260f596b |
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| 02:33.04 | gnarface | hesco: i don't see an immediate problem other than possible typo (wrong ip address/network info) |
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| 02:33.32 | gnarface | hesco: if you uncomment lines 90 and 93-98, then "ifup eth1" it doesn't work? |
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| 02:34.17 | gnarface | hesco: assuming lines 90,93-98 are the actual right numbers for it that is (line 91 looks obviously out of place) |
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| 02:34.36 | hesco | eth1 is not connected to anything at the moment. Switch comes next week. |
| 02:34.42 | gnarface | ah |
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| 02:34.47 | peterS | hesco: in your interfaces file I suggest deleting the 'network' and 'broadcast' lines just on general principle. They are 99.99999% of the time unnecessary as they will be correctly derived from the rest, and having them there adds some risk of inconsistent information |
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| 02:35.10 | peterS | hesco: in other words, 'network' and 'broadcast' lines are much more likely to be wrong than to be right when the system-derived values would have been wrong |
| 02:35.40 | hesco | eth0 is working well enough that I can shell in remotely. |
| 02:35.44 | peterS | I mean those lines look correct in your file, but I'd still delete them just on that principle |
| 02:35.44 | gnarface | hesco: i don't agree with peterS on that measure; i think its a good exercise to always put them in so you know what the right numbers are and what they mean and how to manipulate them. he IS right though that if you put them in and they're wrong, you can confuse the thing |
| 02:36.12 | gnarface | if you specify broadcast and subnet mask, be damned sure you know they're right |
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| 02:36.32 | gnarface | not every class C is made up of 255 addresses |
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| 02:36.37 | peterS | gnarface: I see value in knowing what a network address and a broadcast address _are_. but that has nothing to do with whether to put them into an interfaces file where it's too easy to edit them inconsistently |
| 02:37.04 | peterS | gnarface: eh, subnet mask you _do_ need. it's the network address you don't need |
| 02:37.20 | gnarface | peterS: well, like i said actually that depends on a lot of things |
| 02:37.29 | peterS | like what? |
| 02:37.35 | gnarface | peterS: often all you need is 'dhcp' |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | the network/broadcast can be derived in 99.9999% of cases, and aren't needed |
| 02:38.32 | peterS | it's not still 1992. every broadcast address in the world is the same as the IP address with the high bits all set to 1, and there are either 32-N or 128-N high bits depending on IPv4 vs IPv6 |
| 02:38.53 | gnarface | peterS: haha you sound so sure of that despite being completely wrong |
| 02:38.59 | hesco | ok, commented out the network and broadcast liners and restarted networking |
| 02:39.07 | hesco | not frozen out |
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| 02:39.09 | n0c | screw netflix on linux |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | hesco: why not just find a mirror that is ipv4 only? |
| 02:39.19 | n0c | i'll just wait till it's all been migrated to html5 |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | n0c: good plan, support Hulu or something :) |
| 02:39.25 | n0c | this is boolsheet |
| 02:39.37 | gnarface | peterS: if you caveat that with "belonging to private networks" you might actually be almost right, but public networks allocations are almost never a /24 |
| 02:39.38 | peterS | gnarface: give me an example of a network where the broadcast address doesn't follow my rule. Ethernet or Ethernet-like, please, I don't need to hear about some legacy mainframe protocol you won't ever find in Debian |
| 02:39.38 | hesco | My segment is a /29 (if I remmebr correctly). |
| 02:39.40 | n0c | hehe |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | n0c: or get a cable provider that doesn't reqiure silverlight |
| 02:39.51 | peterS | gnarface: wait ... when did I say anything about a /24? |
| 02:39.55 | n0c | 'subnet' is a more proper term there BTW hesco |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | freaking HE tunnels make it hard to determine the real ISP :) |
| 02:40.11 | n0c | abrotman: yeah did away with UVerse |
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| 02:40.47 | peterS | gnarface: I myself run at least one /16, /23, /24, /26, /27, /29, /48, and /64. I'm not exactly ignorant of CIDR, you might say (: |
| 02:40.49 | gnarface | peterS: i just signed up for att uverse and they don't even care what i use for my 6 allocated ip addresses. so, you can probably count "all residential cable/dsl/fibre" customers amongst your examples |
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| 02:41.24 | abrotman | so you can use any IP you like? |
| 02:41.46 | phy1729 | abrotman: heh |
| 02:42.09 | peterS | gnarface: the 6 addresses they give you, are they in a CIDR subnet like a /29 or are they just 6 contiguous numbers? |
| 02:42.16 | gnarface | abrotman: any of the 6 they gave me. its kindof unfortunate they don't even seem to know how to wire up their own hardware. i had to figure it out and give their helpdesk tips on optimal configs |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | still being vague |
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| 02:43.22 | gnarface | abrotman: yes, i could have gone straight to the internet with the broadcast address, as far as i can tell. i can also put my gateway at either end of the range, or in the dead center too. didn't seem to care, and att's helpdesk just was surprised i figured out how to get 5 of the addresses online at once |
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| 02:43.47 | gnarface | abrotman: brief googling suggests this is rare to succeed at |
| 02:43.54 | abrotman | as far as you can tell, or as you had tried? |
| 02:43.55 | hesco | abortman: how would I determine which debian mirrors are ipv4 only? |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | hesco: get a list, run it through dig -t AAAA $i |
| 02:44.09 | peterS | how does the gateway thing work? is their endpoint inside or outside your /29, if indeed it is a /29? (You still haven't said.) |
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| 02:44.28 | n0c | the residential gateways uverse gives you are shit |
| 02:44.35 | n0c | but it is possible to do a 1:1ish nat |
| 02:44.37 | hesco | ok. sounds like a plan |
| 02:44.43 | n0c | if you want to use your own router, like i did |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | hesco: for example debian.cse.msu.edu |
| 02:45.17 | abrotman | MSU isn't too far from GA |
| 02:45.23 | peterS | yeah I haven't used uverse but I'd never want to use an ISP provided "router". a straight through DSL or cable modem for me, thanks |
| 02:45.38 | hesco | thanks, will test that one then |
| 02:45.38 | gnarface | peterS: i have to allocate one (any, it seems) of the 6 addresses to the gateway as my own gateway. then from their it goes out, so it operates in bridged mode. i get actually 7 public ip addresses but i have to allocate 3 to broadcast, network, and gateway on my own |
| 02:46.12 | shawn | uverse gateway--- |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | hesco: or mirrors.usc.edu |
| 02:46.27 | peterS | gnarface: here's something I've never understood. why can't you use the bottom IP of a CIDR block? It's the "network address" but why does that prevent it from being a normal usable, routable IP? And yet nobody ever does it. |
| 02:46.34 | gnarface | n0c: yes, i just connect it it to an openbsd router to split the ip addresses from there. its own firmware is terrible |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | oh .. USC in CA, not in SC .. ignore |
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| 02:46.53 | abrotman | wonders how USC doesn't have v6 addresses on their stuff |
| 02:47.16 | shawn | there are ways to turn the uverse gaveway into 1:1 type or a traditional modem style, but at best it makes support/diagnosis w/ UVerse a PITA |
| 02:47.17 | gnarface | peterS: as far as i can tell, nothing prevents that other than tradition |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | is pretty sure the usc mail servers are v6 |
| 02:47.30 | peterS | abrotman: too afraid of Trojans, I suppose |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | DOH! |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | dpkg: peterS++ |
| 02:47.45 | n0c | lol ZING |
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| 02:47.52 | hesco | abortman: much mo betta !!! |
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| 02:47.57 | n0c | peterS :) |
| 02:48.03 | hesco | thanks for that. |
| 02:48.06 | abrotman | hesco: all figured out? you should still figure out the ipv6 stuff why it wasn't working |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | but at least you have a owrking method now |
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| 02:48.33 | peterS | so wait ... hesco really did fix his 'apt-get update' by not using a host with an IPv6 address? |
| 02:48.34 | gnarface | peterS, n0c i'm actually subscribed to the business class u-verse, so they *may* have given me different hardware than the residential customers, but it seems the same from all accounts, and comes with no manual or support just like all accounts too |
| 02:48.49 | n0c | yeah |
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| 02:48.59 | n0c | i had to ready many forums |
| 02:49.02 | n0c | *read |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | peterS: yes, sadly |
| 02:49.16 | peterS | that seems strange, since as I said before, his 'ip a' output shows that his only IPv6 address is link-scoped, so apt (indirectly, via libc) should have known better than to use it |
| 02:49.26 | hesco | if only I could remember what it was I was going to install before I ran into this issue three hours ago. |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | peterS: or seems that way .. |
| 02:49.51 | n0c | i think it's dumb that you have to have an device in dhcp to be registered on the device at which point you can make it static after choosing it as an address object in the builtin firmware |
| 02:50.02 | n0c | it's just garbage and flies in the face of any standards |
| 02:50.03 | gnarface | n0c: it WAS possible to figure out what i needed to do to put it in front of my existing openbsd transparent public network bridge, but it was not obvious whether it could accomplish that on its own. its built-in wifi is similarly limted (can't be routed through any static ip addresses) |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | wonders if the people that did http.debian.net or whatever could also do a v4.debian.net that only does ipv4 addresses |
| 02:50.18 | n0c | although nat isn't technically standardized but some of the mechanisms are |
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| 02:51.29 | abrotman | isn't sure which modem he's using today, but he does have a v6 address at home, yay |
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| 02:52.36 | n0c | i've got v6 at home but it's thru tunnelbroker |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | yes, i noticed |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | nice of them to fix so many of their issues |
| 02:53.52 | sross | so, I'm reading docs re: accessing a non-stable package even though I'm running wheezy (stable). It's all old doc's i'm finding, and there's differing opinion. |
| 02:53.54 | peterS | hesco: hmmmm. you don't have any uncommented stuff in gai.conf, do you? grep '^[^#]' /etc/gai.conf |
| 02:54.20 | hesco | what channel do you suppose would be a good place to ask a qemu/kvm / X11 question? |
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| 02:54.22 | sross | how do I specify a repo in my sources.list, and pick a package from it, but not make that the preference for all packages (want to stay w/ wheezy stable) |
| 02:54.39 | sross | point is, I'm looking to install grive, which is only in unstable it seems |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | hesco: pretty sure there's a #kvm |
| 02:54.56 | hesco | sross: I'd bet pinning the package might permit that. |
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| 02:55.20 | hesco | would have to read up on the man page to know for sure though |
| 02:55.28 | hesco | thanks abortman |
| 02:55.29 | sross | hesco: is that standard terminology, "pinning" the package |
| 02:55.48 | sross | last time I used Debian/*nix much as desktop OS it was like 3.0 |
| 02:55.50 | peterS | I'm too lazy to manage pinning. when I need that sort of thing I add a line to sources.list, run apt-get update and aptitude and get what I need, then comment the line out of sources.list (: |
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| 02:55.53 | hesco | sure is |
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| 02:56.07 | abrotman | my name isn't that hard :( |
| 02:56.36 | gnarface | abrotman: i think you should ban anyone else with names matching ^ab |
| 02:56.44 | peterS | ha, abortman. I _almost_ thought I was the only one to spell it that way. probably I _am_ the only one to do it on purpose, right? |
| 02:56.53 | hesco | sorry about that abrotman, but my eyes are getting fairly weak with the years, I'm afraid. |
| 02:57.03 | n0c | abort... man! |
| 02:57.09 | n0c | err, abort, man! |
| 02:57.16 | n0c | danger will robinson |
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| 02:57.31 | buu | hesco: tab complete! |
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| 02:58.01 | peterS | in the tradition of "A-Rod", you choose the A and then three letters ... thus 'a-bro' |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | peterS: not even close, there used to be a fellow here who thought he was being clever |
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| 02:58.24 | abrotman | gnarface: i feel bad for aboman, he gets a lot of mistabs |
| 02:58.33 | hesco | sorry buu, my irc client does not support that, I'm afraid |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | what irc client is that? |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | pidgin? |
| 02:59.55 | n0c | 02:58 completion_nicks_lowercase = OFF |
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| 03:01.36 | hacfi_ | what options do I have to try to recover a debian server which isn’t booting anymore? I have access to it via a rescue console |
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| 03:02.16 | peterS | depends what "isn't booting" means, really. there are lots of things between power on and login prompt |
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| 03:02.48 | peterS | if abrotman is to be believed, you're running upstart, so #debian isn't a great place to get help as very few of us are using upstart - they use it more in Ubuntu, not that #ubuntu would welcome a Debian user, I suppose |
| 03:02.52 | gnarface | access to the server via rescue console in fact belies the actual diagnosis; it had to boot to get to a rescue console |
| 03:04.20 | gnarface | the bright side of that is that it evidences very little chance of hardware failure outside of the physical drives or harddrive controllers themselves |
| 03:04.51 | hacfi_ | peterS: I updated debian to 7.2 and installed upstart..I removed the upstart start scripts via the remote console so I don’t think upstart is really the issue |
| 03:04.53 | gnarface | most likely this is a fubar originating entirely in operator error |
| 03:04.54 | n0c | yeah sounds like data recovery / migration may still be viable |
| 03:05.11 | n0c | if you can still mount your root filesystem |
| 03:05.40 | peterS | hacfi_: wait... you installed upstart but removed the scripts associated with it? I'm guessing that would only make things worse. upstart doesn't start from its scripts, it starts as the first thing the kernel launches, and it _needs_ its scripts |
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| 03:06.30 | hacfi_ | peterS: but is there any way to prevent it from launching when the kernel launches? |
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| 03:06.46 | gnarface | heh, yea don't use upstart |
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| 03:06.50 | gnarface | see also: |
| 03:06.52 | gnarface | !sns |
| 03:06.52 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:07.03 | peterS | hacfi_: the kernel has to start _something_. if you have upstart installed, that something is upstart. if you have sysvinit (the debian default) installed, that something is sysvinit |
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| 03:07.44 | hacfi_ | ok..will move the upstart scripts back to where they were |
| 03:07.48 | gnarface | always boggles at people who try to wedge ubuntu shit into debian and think its not gonna degrade the experience of both |
| 03:07.58 | peterS | hacfi_: you can ask the kernel to start something else as its initial program ("init") with the kernel command line option "init=/x/y/z" (commonly something like "init=/bin/bash"). But if you have upstart installed, it probably means you don't have any other suitable init program installed. |
| 03:08.07 | hacfi_ | wasn’t aware upstart is replacing such an important part |
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| 03:08.23 | hacfi_ | well..I’ll just reinstall then |
| 03:08.30 | hacfi_ | might be easier |
| 03:08.38 | gnarface | hacfi_: its your startup scripts. its like replacing your server's whole entire bootup logic |
| 03:08.50 | gnarface | its *critical* to initialization |
| 03:08.57 | hacfi_ | good to know...won’t be doing it again :) |
| 03:09.03 | gnarface | yea, don't replace that shit cavalierly |
| 03:09.06 | hacfi_ | thanks for the help guys |
| 03:09.09 | gnarface | careful with python too |
| 03:09.15 | gnarface | don't upgrade python cavalierly either |
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| 03:09.26 | hacfi_ | I just wanted to install otrs for an employee |
| 03:09.33 | gnarface | otr? |
| 03:09.38 | gnarface | as in pidgin-otr? |
| 03:09.43 | hacfi_ | some kind of customer support system |
| 03:09.46 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:09.51 | gnarface | never heard of it, can't help there |
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| 03:10.11 | hacfi_ | wanted to use it with nginx instead of apache and found a tutorial which said to install upstart |
| 03:10.40 | gnarface | that's completely unecessary to replace apache with nginx on debian |
| 03:10.49 | gnarface | but i can't speak for ubuntu (which uses upstart by default) |
| 03:11.04 | hacfi_ | I don’t have apache installed but I’m running nginx anyway |
| 03:11.17 | hacfi_ | didn’t want to start both apache and nginx |
| 03:11.23 | gnarface | the most dangerous part about following ubuntu documentation for a debian install is that in 99% of cases it will initially appear to work right |
| 03:11.54 | gnarface | the easiest way to not care about running nginx and apache on the same machine is simply to configure them to use different http ports |
| 03:12.20 | gnarface | but you can also make either just not start at boot time WITHOUT replacing the entire system's init script setup |
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| 03:13.07 | gnarface | that would sortof be like replacing all the tires on a car every time there was a new driver |
| 03:13.10 | peterS | I've just pinged the upstart maintainer suggesting maybe a bit stronger language might go into the package description about what exactly you're replacing and how important it is |
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| 03:14.41 | hacfi_ | thanks peterS! |
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| 03:15.08 | johnfg | Looks like I'll just have to manually add the entries for squeeze to grub.cfg, as update-grub won't find and write the info itself. |
| 03:15.22 | gnarface | actually i should rephrase that for complete accuracy: the most dangerous part about following ubuntu documentation for a debian install is that in 99% of the cases it will initially appear to work right *and the ubuntu admins will not be able to tell the difference* |
| 03:15.36 | hacfi_ | well..I got plenty of AWS credits so I’m just going to move the website over to EC2 |
| 03:15.51 | hacfi_ | haha |
| 03:16.21 | gnarface | hacfi_: careful about bandwidth expendatures... you missed the earlier conversation but ec2 is 29c/gigabyte. read the fine print |
| 03:16.30 | johnfg | One question: for wheezy, there's these 2 lines: 'load_video' and 'insmod gzio'. I've used neither of these for squeeze. Are they needed necessary? |
| 03:16.42 | hacfi_ | gnarface: 15k USD of credit ;) |
| 03:16.53 | gnarface | hacfi_: haha nevermind then go to town :) |
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| 03:28.57 | peterS | hesco: looking at your commented out attempt at configuring br0, btw: it looks much like how I do bridges, except: (1) no need for 'auto eth1', the bridge will bring up eth1 automatically anyway (you do need the 'auto br0'.) (2) ridge_stp, ridge_fd, ridge_maxwait need to be 'bridge', not 'ridge'. (3) I use bridge_fd 2, not 0. I'm not sure what 0 does, offhand, but 2 seconds doesn't seem very long so I've left it |
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| 03:30.04 | hesco | thanks peterS. That is appreciated. |
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| 03:30.26 | peterS | hesco: also, adding to my earlier advice to skip 'network' and 'broadcast', in wheezy you can now specify 'address 192.168.1.100/24' which is shorter and IMO easier to get right than specifying both 'address' and 'netmask' |
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| 03:30.43 | Sapote | Hi people!! have a debian 6.0 kernel 2.6.32-5 on amd64. Ethernet board is Intel and today fail before months of working ok. http://pastebin.com/8yNPXUzX |
| 03:30.48 | hesco | Thursday the book should arrive which will explain to me what a bridged network is all about. In the mean time that was cargo cult configuration |
| 03:31.06 | peterS | heh. as I said, it's quite similar to what I use anyway |
| 03:31.56 | hesco | the cidr notation to handle that in one line is a nice enhancement. will have to try that. thanks again |
| 03:32.04 | peterS | no problem |
| 03:32.15 | gnarface | Sapote: you mean fail AFTER months of working ok |
| 03:33.10 | gnarface | Sapote: note that debian is now at version 7. your problem is likely that your hardware burned out, but you weren't specific enough about the actual failure message for me to be sure of that; you might just need to upgrade to 7.0 |
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| 03:33.32 | gnarface | Sapote: 6.0 = squeeze, 7.0 = wheezy |
| 03:33.46 | peterS | figuring out the interfaces file for doing bridges on top of VLANs on top of LACP on top of 10 Gbit ethernet was fun. (most of it is straightforward, but there's a bug somewhere between ixgbe and bonding that required a bit of manual config) |
| 03:34.15 | Sapote | yes gnarface |
| 03:34.39 | Sapote | is a server in production |
| 03:35.30 | peterS | Sapote: the kernel log of the failure does not really make clear whether this is a temporary condition or the chip actually failed permanently. it's not easy to reinitialize a network chip on a running system but did you try rebooting? (Yes, a very Windows question.) |
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| 03:36.09 | Sapote | :D |
| 03:37.08 | peterS | in theory the igb driver should have already tried to reinitialize the chip if needed, but who knows.... |
| 03:37.47 | gnarface | igb is intel's new one right? |
| 03:38.00 | Sapote | i could not manage it remotely and had to restart. After restart work ok, but... why fail? |
| 03:38.02 | peterS | it's one Intel Gbit variant. I can't keep track of all of 'em. |
| 03:38.05 | gnarface | something makes me think i vaguely recall it needing special module parameters to work on gigabit setups.... |
| 03:38.20 | gnarface | especially if you got the ones using 4x ports |
| 03:38.30 | gnarface | its vague in my memory now though |
| 03:38.39 | gnarface | maybe only applied to old versions |
| 03:38.41 | gnarface | (squeeze) |
| 03:39.17 | Sapote | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.24 | peterS | gnarface: '/sbin/modinfo igb | grep parm' does not show much of interest at least on my kernel - I don't have 2.6.32 still around |
| 03:39.30 | gnarface | Sapote: sometimes even linux has bugs. that is why its bad you are not up-to-date |
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| 03:40.23 | gnarface | Sapote: debian 6.0 is VERY OLD |
| 03:40.35 | peterS | (the full path /sbin/modinfo is because I don't have /sbin in my non-root path. really IMO modinfo does not belong in /sbin as in my experience I use it much more often as non-root than as root. But I digress.) |
| 03:40.41 | gnarface | Sapote: if it used to work, then so is your hardware |
| 03:40.58 | Sapote | gnarface: yes, only a few of bugs. Work with many others server and all work ok everday for years. |
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| 03:41.39 | gnarface | Sapote: something must have changed. it may not be hardware failure. user behavior may have changed. also sometimes one bug may take years to occur |
| 03:42.23 | gnarface | Sapote: only by upgrading to current debian can you rule out hardware failure |
| 03:42.46 | gnarface | Sapote: understand? |
| 03:42.47 | peterS | this is why I suggested rebooting. unloading and loading the igb module would re-init the ethernet chip, but when you're ssh'd in and have all your network services running, that can be easier said than done |
| 03:42.52 | sross | thanks hesco and peterS , good info. I ended up taking the lazy route and temporarily changed sources.list |
| 03:43.03 | sross | at least now I have grive installed and the sync started |
| 03:43.05 | Sapote | ok gnarface |
| 03:43.39 | Sapote | i upgrade to debian wheezy |
| 03:43.42 | hesco | sure sross: I use pinning so rarely I have to reread the man page every time. |
| 03:43.43 | peterS | Sapote: if you can't really justify a full upgrade to wheezy, you can install the wheezy-based kernel from backports |
| 03:44.03 | hesco | I know how tempting those work-arounds can be when faced with another learning curve |
| 03:44.15 | gnarface | Sapote: please read the release notes first: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:44.25 | peterS | that would be probably a quicker way to determine if the igb chip can be fixed by using a newer kernel |
| 03:44.28 | gnarface | Sapote: i recommend this for your safety |
| 03:44.42 | sross | hesco: no kidding. Especially since I haven't used *nix on a regular basis in years |
| 03:45.05 | sross | and I was a "young ignorant know-it-all" when I last used debian as a desktop |
| 03:45.17 | Sapote | thanks for yours tips. |
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| 03:45.47 | peterS | ha, pet peeve: I hate the designator "*nix". Either it means "Unix but let's avoid using AT&T's trademark", which is dumb because who cares about using a trademark, or it means "any Unix-like system particularly including Linux" which is dumb because Linux doesn't end in "nix". (: |
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| 03:46.21 | sross | peterS: agreed, but it seems everyone understands what I mean when I type that |
| 03:46.28 | sross | would be fascinating to know where that came from |
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| 03:47.08 | peterS | well way way way back in the day (1980s) people did try to avoid AT&T's trademark "UNIX" and I think "UN*X" was the usual shorthand for "we know what this OS is but I'd rather not name it" |
| 03:47.34 | peterS | but how UN*X and Un*x turned into *nix I'm not really sure |
| 03:48.08 | sross | biggest thing in getting used to it is actually getting around the various interfaces, not the cli |
| 03:48.16 | sross | that, i've been more familiar with |
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| 03:48.46 | peterS | now it's true that various brands of Unix do end in "nix" but just as many do not, so hmmmmm. |
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| 03:52.04 | Rusty1 | maybe it has something to do with posix? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX |
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| 03:52.27 | peterS | Rusty1: yeah, too bad POSIX doesn't end in "nix" either (: |
| 03:53.03 | Rusty1 | neither does redhat |
| 03:53.15 | Rusty1 | etc |
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| 03:53.59 | peterS | nor do AIX, HP-UX, Ultrix, OSF/1, SunOS, Solaris, OpenServer.... I can't actually think of very many Unixes that end in "nix" tha don't also end in "unix". Only one that springs to mind is Xenix, may it rest in peace. |
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| 03:54.23 | peterS | oh and Minix (: |
| 03:54.24 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 03:54.45 | neilthereildeil | i just installed network-manager-pptp-gnome |
| 03:54.48 | neilthereildeil | how can i run it? |
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| 03:54.56 | Rusty1 | xenix was my bread and bitter in 1982 |
| 03:55.05 | Rusty1 | not a typo |
| 03:55.49 | peterS | heh, I first thought you meant '1982' as the non-typo then I noticed the real non-typo (: |
| 03:56.09 | neilthereildeil | its a part of gnome apparently |
| 03:56.15 | neilthereildeil | and its supposed to run in the system tray |
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| 03:56.30 | peterS | neilthereildeil: I'm guessing it's just a plugin for network-manager, not a standalone |
| 03:56.32 | neilthereildeil | but im not sure which executable to run to make |
| 03:57.33 | neilthereildeil | peterS: how can i tell if this is network-manager running in my system tray? |
| 03:57.53 | peterS | oh man. so NM has a pptp plugin _and_ a pptp-gnome plugin that provides the gui for the pptp plugin? wow. I thought the whole _point_ of NM was to be a GUI. having to have separate GUI plugins just seems...weird |
| 03:58.29 | peterS | yeah anyway, I'm the wrong person to ask, I use neither gnome nor network-manager |
| 03:58.31 | neilthereildeil | how do i know if its network-manager? |
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| 03:59.51 | peterS | neilthereildeil: guessing you just need the 'network-manager-gnome' package, if you don't already have it |
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| 04:01.50 | neilthereildeil | how can i tell which binaries an apt package has in it? |
| 04:01.59 | peterS | dpkg -L packagename | grep bin/ |
| 04:01.59 | dpkg | ii packagename | grep bin/ 2.2-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:02.07 | peterS | dpkg, thanks but no thanks |
| 04:02.07 | dpkg | peterS: pas de quoi |
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| 04:04.24 | Rusty1 | apt-file list <packagename> ? |
| 04:04.46 | neilthereildeil | ok so i did that |
| 04:04.56 | neilthereildeil | it liiks like the ptp plugin is just an so that gets loaded |
| 04:06.40 | peterS | neilthereildeil: yeah so I still think what you need is the network-manager-gnome package |
| 04:06.54 | peterS | and it'll use n-m-pptp-gnome as a plugin |
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| 04:09.04 | J-2----- | why isnt hexchat in the repos... |
| 04:09.08 | J-2----- | but xchat is... smh |
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| 04:11.27 | peterrooney | J-2-----: Bug#702075 - licensing issues |
| 04:12.04 | peterrooney | !hexchat |
| 04:12.04 | dpkg | HexChat (formerly XChat-WDK) is a fork of the <XChat> IRC client. <ITP> filed as Debian bug #702075. http://hexchat.org/ #hexchat on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 04:14.35 | f-a | hello. I am browsing through system emails telling me that they could not send to survery@popcon.debian.org . I guess that means that sending by http failed (I have USEHTTP="yes" in /etc/popularity-contest.conf). How can I diagnose why http failed? For what is whort I can seee the submit link in my browser. |
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| 04:16.26 | peterS | f-a: I don't use popcon myself but I'd think it should log in /var/log/daemon.log or similar locations? |
| 04:18.05 | peterrooney | popcon runs on the unwarranted assumption that debian's email system is connected to the internet. Every install I've ever done with popcon ends up with that message on the mail spool. |
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| 04:18.46 | holycow | hey guys |
| 04:18.52 | f-a | peterrooney: I *thought* that it tried http first. Am I wront? How to reconfigure that? |
| 04:19.17 | holycow | i want to backup a huge dir via rsync and gzip every individual file (but not folder). |
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| 04:19.24 | holycow | anyone know how to accomplish such a thing? |
| 04:19.38 | holycow | i don't want to do backups with differentials and such, that is too complicated |
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| 04:22.50 | rjsalts | looks like the license for hexchat has been corrected as well |
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| 04:23.20 | J-2----- | according to #hexchat the "issue" is totally bogus |
| 04:23.21 | sepero | Hi all. How do I find out which package contains perl Crypt/OpenSSL/PBKDF2.pm ? |
| 04:23.28 | J-2----- | so i guess people will be waiting 100 years |
| 04:23.37 | J-2----- | due to laziness |
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| 04:24.29 | J-2----- | https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/509 |
| 04:24.30 | rjsalts | their readme file mentions the openssl linking exception but their COPYING file doesn't |
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| 04:24.50 | Rusty1 | sepero: try apt-file search Crypt/OpenSSL/PBKDF2.pm |
| 04:26.01 | J-2----- | rjsalt: Neither does http://sourceforge.net/p/xchat/svn/HEAD/tree/COPYING |
| 04:26.03 | peterrooney | J-2-----: or, you can ask hexchat to saneify (is that a word?) their license. I don't think it's reasonable to ask the debian project to make an exception |
| 04:26.07 | sepero | Rusty1: no dice :( |
| 04:26.31 | Rusty1 | sepero: try apt-file search PBKDF2.pm |
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| 04:26.47 | sepero | Rusty1: that's what i searched first |
| 04:27.28 | J-2----- | why does xchat get special treatment then? |
| 04:27.33 | J-2----- | same deal |
| 04:27.37 | rjsalts | peterrooney: "This program is released under the GPL v2 with the additional exemption that compiling, linking, and/or using OpenSSL is allowed." seems pretty clear cut too me |
| 04:27.38 | Rusty1 | sepero: type: man apt-file, maybe i dont have it right |
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| 04:29.53 | peterrooney | rjsalts: it's very clear, and NOT gpl. just very similar to gpl. debian legal probably doesn't feel like risking it. |
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| 04:30.45 | rjsalts | peterrooney: they've copied the top of the xchat README word for word. Looks like the COPYING file is the same too |
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| 04:32.40 | rjsalts | not that I care. xchat is fine |
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| 04:34.55 | peterS | sepero: apt-file will only work if you update it at least once from your sources. 'sudo apt-file update' I believe it is. |
| 04:35.28 | sepero | I'm getting Can't locate Crypt/OpenSSL/PBKDF2.pm |
| 04:35.52 | sepero | I did an update on apt-file, but it's not finding PBKDF2 |
| 04:36.59 | peterS | maybe it's not in debian then. What does that module do, anyway? |
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| 04:41.22 | rjsalts | sepero: you can use dh-make-perl to create debs for CPAN modules. Most times the automatically generated /debian/ directory works just fine. |
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| 04:42.38 | sepero | rjsalts: thanks |
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| 04:53.53 | f-a | where does 'logger' sends info? I don't have /var/messages on my machine, it seems :s |
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| 04:56.18 | f-a | (alternatively, how can I check the logs) |
| 04:57.14 | gnarface | f-a: you're just in the wrong directory its /var/log |
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| 04:58.10 | f-a | I am in there, but no "messages" file or similar, gnarface |
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| 04:58.58 | f-a | (dmesgs are there) |
| 04:59.00 | gnarface | f-a: maybe install rsyslog ? |
| 04:59.15 | gnarface | f-a: maybe your rsyslog config has been altered... |
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| 04:59.44 | f-a | wasn't even installed, gnarface . Thanks |
| 04:59.48 | f-a | I am going to apt-get it now |
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| 05:02.42 | peterS | well if it's an older debian install it may have sysklogd instead of rsyslog. that'll work fine too, normally. |
| 05:04.59 | f-a | it's wheezy, but I had to installed with minimal software in it (because armhf) |
| 05:05.09 | f-a | so I probably missed some packages |
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| 05:23.37 | anigma | I'm trying to create a symlink between /home/anigma/www/ and /var/www/. How come everytime I do this I end up getting /home/anigma/www/ -> /var/www/www ? |
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| 05:24.06 | linuxg333k | hi |
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| 05:24.31 | rozie | anigma: show exact command pls |
| 05:25.10 | linuxg333k | <-- destroyed successful his bootmgr :( need help |
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| 05:25.51 | anigma | rozie: I've just done 'ln -sv /home/anigma/www/ /var/www/' |
| 05:25.51 | rozie | linuxg333k: boot live/install, restore grub |
| 05:26.20 | linuxg333k | dont work |
| 05:26.22 | linuxg333k | did try |
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| 05:27.32 | rozie | anigma: target should be first |
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| 05:28.38 | rozie | linuxg333k: more details pls. how did you destroy? which bootmgr? how exactly did you try to restore? |
| 05:28.51 | linuxg333k | i tried to install grub |
| 05:28.51 | anigma | rozie: ahh, yes, that makes sense :) |
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| 05:29.00 | linuxg333k | They say "it work" but still bootmgr is missing |
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| 05:30.09 | rozie | linuxg333k: how did you try to install it? |
| 05:30.46 | linuxg333k | per live cd |
| 05:30.51 | linuxg333k | installeg grub |
| 05:30.53 | linuxg333k | boot repair |
| 05:30.57 | linuxg333k | but nothing workto me |
| 05:31.23 | rozie | chroot done? |
| 05:32.40 | linuxg333k | i dont think so..:D i read that 1min ago |
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| 05:33.12 | linuxg333k | but i have to send the page to my neighbor cause i cant look and write at the same time when irun the live cd |
| 05:33.12 | rozie | try with chroot. or just try restore from installer |
| 05:33.14 | rozie | bbl |
| 05:33.24 | linuxg333k | Okay |
| 05:33.25 | linuxg333k | thanks |
| 05:33.29 | linuxg333k | i have tosay |
| 05:33.36 | linuxg333k | i have win7 on C |
| 05:33.43 | linuxg333k | and linux prepaired toinstall on D |
| 05:34.18 | heh1231 | Sorry for the newbie question if I'm in /usr/local/games/Bastion and type force_s3tc_enable=true ./Bastion.bin.x86 the game launches with the attributes but with gnome\an application icon (command) -> /usr/local/games/Bastion force_s3tc_enable=true ./Bastion.bin.x86 ..the attributes are ignored |
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| 05:39.42 | linuxg333k | http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd#.Ul4jjhC2Lcs |
| 05:39.48 | linuxg333k | http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd#.Ul4jjhC2Lcs |
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| 05:39.54 | linuxg333k | h.t.t.p://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd#.Ul4jjhC2Lcs |
| 05:40.00 | linuxg333k | Ups |
| 05:40.26 | heh1231 | i just dont get it rofl |
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| 05:40.42 | heh1231 | i type the same command in terminal and the game launches with s3tc enabled |
| 05:40.47 | heh1231 | the icon doesn't do shit lol |
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| 05:41.16 | heh1231 | /usr/local/games/Bastion force_s3tc_enable=true ./Bastion.bin.x86 |
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| 05:45.32 | heh1231 | anyone? |
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| 06:18.50 | neilthereildeil | has anyone here had videos not load in youtube on Debian in IceWeasel? |
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| 06:19.43 | Sary | neilthereildeil: post a link of the video you wanna load. |
| 06:19.49 | s7pn | neilthereildeil: html5? flash? |
| 06:20.21 | neilthereildeil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRHO1nblHU&feature=player_embedded |
| 06:20.29 | neilthereildeil | this should be flash |
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| 06:21.08 | neilthereildeil | oh wait im using "gnash" |
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| 06:21.15 | neilthereildeil | which is that swf player |
| 06:21.23 | neilthereildeil | im guessing because flash is not open source? |
| 06:21.31 | neilthereildeil | in any case, its not playing youtube |
| 06:22.23 | s7pn | well, I'd recommend you install the official Adobe Flash Player or switch to html5 |
| 06:22.29 | neilthereildeil | ok |
| 06:22.36 | Sary | neilthereildeil: drop adobe flash , stream in html5 .. # try the link this wasy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRHO1nblHU&webm=1 |
| 06:22.43 | neilthereildeil | so this is out of the box configuration for debian |
| 06:23.19 | s7pn | gnash is the GNU flash player. basically nothing wrong with that configuration ;) |
| 06:23.24 | neilthereildeil | i just installed last night |
| 06:23.38 | neilthereildeil | since its not working out of the box, does it qualify as a bug? |
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| 06:23.49 | neilthereildeil | Sary: that link you gave me didnt work either |
| 06:23.54 | neilthereildeil | it just keeps spinning |
| 06:24.26 | Sary | neilthereildeil: purge/remove adobe flash , then try to stream again. |
| 06:24.27 | frikinz | or switch to sid. so this vid is not a vid, only music.. youtube-dl or else would download it |
| 06:25.17 | Sary | neilthereildeil: anyhow, you should know that adobe flash is bad! |
| 06:25.18 | s7pn | do you have vlc & its plugins installed? iceweasel can run the vlc plugin to display videos |
| 06:26.00 | neilthereildeil | why is flash bad? |
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| 06:28.29 | frikinz | does stable has the flash plugin downloader? sometimes you need to update it with update-flashplugin-nonfree as root |
| 06:28.47 | themill | you have to install it rather than gnash before you can do that |
| 06:29.14 | frikinz | ok, but it's available, was not sure.. |
| 06:29.28 | themill | ,info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:29.29 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree (contrib/web, optional) in wheezy/i386: Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin. Version: 1:3.2; Size: 19.7k; Installed: 177k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 07:15.56 | caraconan | Hi all. I am trying to remember how I configured my X environment. I have slim + awesome, but I want to start xscreensaver at boot time, but my ~/.xinitrc (apparently) is ignored. My settings: http://paste.debian.net/58214/ If somebody can point me in the right direction I would be very grateful |
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| 07:21.23 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 07:21.36 | Rydekull | http://royal.pingdom.com/2013/10/08/website-swedes-aftonbladet/ |
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| 07:23.12 | caraconan | Switching to another laptop, since I will break the X config |
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| 07:23.45 | patriku | Hi, has anybody had such problem switching to discrete vga using switcheroo that after switching to discrete vga it looked like the display turns completely off ? I cant see any error in /var/log/messages. Thankks |
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| 07:38.02 | KittyCat | what packages do I need to properly build 32-bit apps on an 64-bit system? |
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| 07:38.37 | KittyCat | I have build-essential installed for 64-bit, and I can build 64-bit apps |
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| 07:39.35 | KittyCat | I've installed libgcc-4.8-dev:i386 libstdc++-4.8-dev:i386 also, opting to leave the 32-bit compiler dependency unresolved (since it can't be installed with the 64-bit compiler) |
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| 07:40.09 | KittyCat | but building anything with gcc -m32 ... fails with some rather esoteric errors |
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| 07:50.00 | jelly-home | KittyCat: don't, use a 32bit chroot instead until cross-compiling gets properly fixed |
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| 07:52.31 | osfd | Hi there. I know that you can copy a file to a distant server/computer using the scp command. Though, if I wanna do it using a script, I don't know how to do the authentication. How do you that ? |
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| 07:53.55 | osfd | scp myfile login@server:path/of/dest/file |
| 07:54.22 | KittyCat | so there's no way to build 32-bit apps on a 64-bit system, I need to make a 32-bit "mini system"? |
| 07:54.44 | zykotick9 | osfd: setup ssh keys, so no password will be required. |
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| 07:55.36 | osfd | zykotick9: is it difficult to set up ? |
| 07:56.07 | zykotick9 | osfd: no, not really. just search for ssh-copy-id online |
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| 07:56.59 | osfd | zykotick9: ok :) |
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| 07:58.04 | jelly-home | KittyCat: I'm not sure if it's possible, but using a separate chroot is definitely simpler and easier to set up |
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| 08:00.16 | KittyCat | that kinda makes it difficult to build wine, which prefers to have 64-bit and 32-bit components installed side-by-side |
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| 08:10.05 | petern_ | Well, wine is built some how. See how the package manages it. |
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| 08:25.21 | KittyCat | oh, installing gcc-multilib helped. it can build 32-bit apps now |
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| 08:37.01 | colo-work | I'm trying to build a deb from a CPAN module using cpan2deb/dh-make-perl, but the debian/control file the program generates is broken. I believe to know how to fix it, but invoking "dh-make-perl make --build" always recreates the control file from scratch. what can I do to resolve this? |
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| 09:10.32 | dokma | should I get any POST data if I have a name attribute on a submit button |
| 09:11.06 | dokma | for example here: <input type="submit" name="tx_felogin_pi1[changepasswordsubmit]" value="Change password"> |
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| 09:11.58 | boudiccas | is there in debian a 'control panel' like 'cpanel' for adminning a server please? i've done apt-cache search on both those terms without success |
| 09:12.11 | dokma | pardon, wrong channel |
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| 09:16.35 | Iridos | dpkg, free whcp |
| 09:16.35 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 09:16.40 | Iridos | boudiccas, ^^^ |
| 09:16.52 | Iridos | dpkg, cpanel |
| 09:16.52 | dpkg | cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 09:16.56 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 09:19.22 | Iridos | dokma, I *did* wonder since when debian has a submit button :D |
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| 09:21.41 | boudiccas | well out of that list that dpkg gave, only dtc is in the repos! |
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| 09:29.09 | jelly | boudiccas: this ought to tell you something about the quality and maintainability of control panela |
| 09:29.26 | jelly | s/a$/s/ |
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| 09:31.06 | boudiccas | yes, although gnupanel does seem to be active, although thats the only one that i've looked at atm |
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| 09:31.46 | zooz | is there a way to include a package which architecture is all using apt-ftparchive? |
| 09:32.23 | zooz | if I copy it to binary-amd64 and try run apt-ftparchive it gets ignored while every other package gets indexed fine |
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| 09:34.20 | boudiccas | and gnupanel seems geared to running your own isp and being a 'reseller' |
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| 09:39.45 | auxy_phone | hullo~ |
| 09:40.23 | auxy_phone | on a more-or-less stock debian install, I did apt-get install xinetd, and it prompted me to autoremove 25 packages related to wireless and bluetooth connectivity |
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| 09:40.29 | auxy_phone | why is this? did i do something awful? |
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| 09:43.13 | jelly | auxy_phone: can you show the exact command line and its full output, in a pastebin? |
| 09:43.47 | auxy_phone | ah, sorry, no ^^; I'm not IRCing from that machine |
| 09:43.50 | auxy_phone | I think I figured out why though |
| 09:43.56 | auxy_phone | I removed network-manager |
| 09:44.04 | auxy_phone | I don't know why it didn't prompt me to remove those packages THEN, though |
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| 09:46.50 | [jasper] | hej guys, when I'ms eeing 99% cpu usage in top...in left top it says 25% |
| 09:46.51 | boudiccas | do i need a 'control panel' for 2 sites that i host on this machine, both wordpress with a mysql database. looking at the list in the debian wiki, they seem to be related to isp hostings, whereas i'm looking for 'self-hosting control panels'. any ideas please? |
| 09:47.06 | [jasper] | does that mean my program doesn't use multicore? |
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| 09:48.00 | AlexLikeRock | hi i have problems with nVidia drivers (propietary), i use nouveau , but my resolution are 640*480 , ¿how to change size to other more big ? |
| 09:48.38 | AlexLikeRock | on LXrandr onli appear 640*480 and 720*400 |
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| 09:49.54 | AlexLikeRock | [jasper], you can helpme ? |
| 09:50.54 | AlexLikeRock | any one :) |
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| 09:51.14 | colo-work | I'm trying to build a deb from a CPAN module using cpan2deb/dh-make-perl, but the debian/control file the program generates is broken. I believe to know how to fix it, but invoking "dh-make-perl make --build" always recreates the control file from scratch. what can I do to resolve this? |
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| 09:59.18 | Lanser | What should I use? tar, zip, bzip2, 7z..or something else? I have a 501MB .mp4 file and I want an archive that will compress it into a smaller file size. |
| 09:59.24 | Lanser | What should I use? tar, zip, bzip2, 7z..or something else? I have a 501MB .mp4 video file and I want an archive that will compress it into a smaller file size. |
| 09:59.58 | OpenTokix | Lanser: nothing, your mp4file is already compressed |
| 10:00.07 | Lanser | sorry, I have a flv file. |
| 10:00.23 | AlexLikeRock | Lanser, 7z |
| 10:00.23 | Lanser | what, opentokix? |
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| 10:00.48 | OpenTokix | Lanser: mp4 video is already a compressed format - so compressing it again will not make much sense. |
| 10:00.56 | Lanser | AlexLikeRock: I used 7z with ultra compression method, it only made a small difference, from 454 to 452MB. |
| 10:00.57 | auxy_phone | flv files are also compressed |
| 10:01.06 | AlexLikeRock | :( |
| 10:01.09 | Lanser | what about mkv files? |
| 10:01.21 | OpenTokix | Lanser: Same there |
| 10:01.22 | auxy_phone | all video files are compressed already |
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| 10:01.30 | Lanser | mkv file is around 1.2GB |
| 10:01.32 | auxy_phone | unless you have a .raw or .264 file |
| 10:01.35 | auxy_phone | yes, that's quite small |
| 10:01.40 | auxy_phone | I have 300GB .mkv files |
| 10:01.44 | Lanser | it is not, auxy_phone. |
| 10:01.46 | Lanser | but still, auxy. |
| 10:01.49 | ThatGraemeGuy | Lanser: the only way to reduce the size of any compressed video is to re-encode it and reduce the quality and/or resolution |
| 10:01.52 | Lanser | I want to compress it more. |
| 10:01.52 | auxy_phone | no, for a video file, it is |
| 10:02.02 | auxy_phone | then you will need to transcode it |
| 10:02.06 | Lanser | I want to compress my flv/mp4 file 30 times more. |
| 10:02.10 | Lanser | how, auxy_phone? |
| 10:02.15 | auxy_phone | it will lose a lot of video quality |
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| 10:02.18 | auxy_phone | and be very poor quality |
| 10:02.21 | Lanser | ffmpeg? |
| 10:02.28 | Lanser | oh. |
| 10:02.35 | auxy_phone | yes, ffmpeg can transcode video |
| 10:02.39 | auxy_phone | video data is very large |
| 10:02.44 | Lanser | How can I convert a flv file to .VOB? |
| 10:02.46 | auxy_phone | you can't make it very small easily |
| 10:02.55 | auxy_phone | I think google can best answer that question for you |
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| 10:03.05 | OpenTokix | ;) |
| 10:03.07 | Lanser | I tried google. |
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| 10:03.14 | Lanser | couldn't find any possible solution. |
| 10:03.20 | AlexLikeRock | Lanser, "DEVEDE" conver to .VOB |
| 10:03.31 | Lanser | I used Devede, AlexLikeRock. It was horrible. |
| 10:03.34 | Lanser | too slow. |
| 10:03.41 | Lanser | ffmpeg is quite fast. |
| 10:03.47 | AlexLikeRock | yes ,is to slow :) |
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| 10:03.51 | Lanser | I'd like to use ffmpeg to convert a mp4/flv file into VOB. |
| 10:03.52 | AlexLikeRock | but work :) |
| 10:04.03 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
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| 10:04.11 | AlexLikeRock | hi i have problems with nVidia drivers (propietary), i use nouveau , but my resolution are 640*480 , ¿how to change size to other more big ? |
| 10:04.18 | AlexLikeRock | on LXrandr onli appear 640*480 and 720*400 |
| 10:05.06 | Lanser | How can I use ffmpeg to convert a flv into .VOB? |
| 10:05.22 | AlexLikeRock | google tutorials ;-) |
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| 10:05.34 | auxy_phone | why don't you ask #ffmpeg, Lanswer |
| 10:05.37 | auxy_phone | Lanser* |
| 10:05.55 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
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| 10:07.43 | OpenTokix | Lanser: http://bit.ly/18l5aLL |
| 10:08.17 | themill | AlexLikeRock: which version of debian? |
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| 10:08.55 | themill | err... Lanser: which version of debian? |
| 10:08.59 | deego | Hi. How can I get an invitation to #debian-next? |
| 10:09.08 | Lanser | themill: wheezy 7 |
| 10:09.09 | Lanser | xfce |
| 10:09.12 | Lanser | hell yeah, themill! |
| 10:09.17 | Lanser | 32bit. |
| 10:09.29 | themill | Lanser: so you want libav not ffmpeg and #libav is the place to ask |
| 10:09.34 | themill | deego: it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:09.41 | deego | themill: ah |
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| 10:11.50 | Glorf | Hi |
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| 10:12.20 | Glorf | i'm having some problem with the website gnome extension & the latest gnome-shell from sid (3.8.4-4) |
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| 10:13.05 | babilen | Glorf: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) as testing/sid is supported there |
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| 10:13.31 | babilen | Glorf: It would also be good to know what kind of problems you are experiencing and to know if you already checked the BTS for applicable bug reports |
| 10:13.43 | [E]sc | i'm trying to move files from my USB to my desktop. I'm running wheezy on KDE, for some reason those files and folders, which are about 5,000 to 10,000 should be about 1gb on the usb, but when dolphin counts it, they amount to over 15 TB |
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| 10:14.48 | [E]sc | is this normal? if not..how can i fix it? |
| 10:14.50 | Glorf | babilen : checked but i didn't found :s |
| 10:15.01 | Glorf | will check #debian-next, thanks |
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| 10:15.20 | babilen | See you there :) |
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| 10:19.51 | Chelsea | Hi all, How can I (preferrably using aptitude) see to which version of a program will be upgraded with aptitude full-upgrade? The packagename doesn always specify this. |
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| 10:22.16 | bbgrub | I duplicated a raid1 member sda5 into sdf5 using dd and took that duplicate to another computer |
| 10:22.39 | bbgrub | other computer says it can not assemble (degraded) raid using only sdf5 because it lacks a superblock, what can be the problem? |
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| 10:24.09 | babilen | Chelsea: Read aptitude(1) (with "man 1 aptitude") and check available options. In particular pay close attention to "-V and --show-versions" |
| 10:25.34 | Chelsea | babilen, Ah... thanks! |
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| 10:30.21 | Lanser | Is there any addon for Firefox which can put 2 downloads in a queue? when one download is complete, move to another instead of staying paused? |
| 10:30.46 | bbgrub | Lanser: I dont know |
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| 10:32.34 | well_laid_lawn | sounds like you need a torrent client |
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| 10:33.45 | Lanser | well_laid_lawn: do torrents have this option? |
| 10:34.15 | well_laid_lawn | I use rtorrent and have been queing things for years |
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| 10:34.27 | Lanser | well_laid_lawn: you don't understand. |
| 10:34.29 | Lanser | like. |
| 10:34.31 | Lanser | example: |
| 10:34.36 | Lanser | I want to download chaka.mp4 and daka.mp4 |
| 10:34.42 | Lanser | I will first put chaka.mp4 and daka.mp4 |
| 10:34.50 | well_laid_lawn | I know what you mean |
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| 10:34.53 | Lanser | I will start downloading chaka.mp4, and pause daka.mp4 |
| 10:34.56 | Lanser | when chaka.mp4 is complete |
| 10:35.02 | Lanser | i want my client to start downloading daka.mp4 |
| 10:35.10 | Lanser | downthemall doesn't do this, daka.mp4 stays fucking paused |
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| 10:35.55 | imran-uk | Lanser, i'm not sure but maybe give it a google. otherwise there is a #firefox channel which seems hevily populated. |
| 10:36.32 | Lanser | imran-uk: are you paki. |
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| 10:37.06 | imran-uk | imran-uk, why? |
| 10:37.13 | imran-uk | Lanser, why? |
| 10:37.24 | Lanser | just asking |
| 10:37.32 | arisv | lol |
| 10:39.21 | musca | Lanser: downthemall can do this queuing. |
| 10:39.35 | Lanser | musca: it doesn't. |
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| 10:39.48 | Lanser | musca: after chaka.mp4 is done, it doesn't start downloading the next file. |
| 10:39.51 | Lanser | the next file stays paused. |
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| 10:40.36 | PerfDave | Did Debian ever introduce a policy for handling security-related patches after the 2008 OpenSSL fail? I know there was talk about it, but I don't know if it was ever implemented. |
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| 10:44.46 | imran-uk | PerfDave, was that the one with the weak random number seed? |
| 10:45.35 | imran-uk | afaik, they have always had a policy, more info: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#handling |
| 10:46.50 | PerfDave | imran-uk: That's a policy for reacting to incidents. There was talk of introducing a development policy for handling patches which relate to security, but I don't know if it happened. |
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| 10:49.45 | imran-uk | PerfDave, ok, not sure then. you could try the official #debian on oftc or make a post to this list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ |
| 10:49.51 | imran-uk | or search that lists archives |
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| 10:50.52 | PerfDave | beh, fuck the "official #debian" :) |
| 10:51.11 | Jckf | I have an nForce 650i board where I'm using the on-board nVidia SATA controller with the sata_nv driver. https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hardware,_driver_status#NVIDIA says that "Newer nVidia chipsets are AHCI, and use the ahci driver rather than the sata_nv driver." Does anyone here know if the 650i falls into this "newer" category so that I can use the ahci driver? |
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| 10:52.15 | Jckf | I am asking because I'm experiencing timeouts on one of the drives |
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| 10:53.19 | Jckf | This is what lspci has to say about the controller http://pastie.org/8406142 |
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| 10:53.58 | petern_ | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 4 port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 02) |
| 10:54.24 | petern_ | But AHCI mode is a BIOS option for that. I guess it would be similar for you? |
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| 10:55.26 | Jckf | I doubt I installed the machine without enabling AHCI in the BIOS first |
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| 10:55.33 | petern_ | https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hardware,_driver_status < doesn't list MCP51. |
| 10:55.48 | petern_ | Does list MCP65, if that's related to 650i. |
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| 10:59.16 | Jckf | From Hardware Secrets: On nForce 650i chipset the north bridge is called C55 and the south bridge chip is called nForce 430i (MCP51) |
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| 10:59.41 | petern_ | Guess you're out of luck :( |
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| 11:00.03 | Jckf | ='( |
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| 11:11.03 | zeta- | Hi all, I want to change the default login manager, 2 are installed -- do I need dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:11.04 | zeta- | Stupid question :"> it's dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 |
| 11:11.53 | zeta- | sometimes asking makes my brain start to work |
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| 11:14.33 | Iridos | zeta-, you're welcome :) |
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| 11:16.19 | auxy_phone | hey, is there a way to make apt automatically go ahead and grab the suggested packages for a package? |
| 11:17.13 | auxy_phone | ah, --install-suggests |
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| 11:17.19 | auxy_phone | that's recursive though, lol |
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| 11:17.45 | auxy_phone | lol, over 800 packages |
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| 11:17.48 | auxy_phone | erk |
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| 11:19.15 | auxy_phone | is there a non-recursive version of --install-suggests? |
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| 11:29.41 | lesshaste | is it possible to force tls 1.2 in chromium? |
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| 11:32.45 | imran-uk | auxy_phone, i dont think you can do that, the suggestions are something for the sysadmin/user - eg. puppetmaster-common suggests apache2 OR nginx |
| 11:33.29 | auxy_phone | wait, what |
| 11:33.30 | auxy_phone | do what |
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| 11:33.57 | anchor | hi http://pastebin.com/NhdDVzZV . ext4 mount time is very long. How can I solve this problem? |
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| 11:34.08 | anisfarhana | Hiya everyone, tried #squid but still no luck , anyone here can help me on squid running on debian? |
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| 11:34.39 | ultrav1olet | Debian changelog explicitly lists http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2012/08/msg00008.html zabbix-server-sqlite3 as an available package |
| 11:34.52 | ultrav1olet | but there's no such package either in backports or in testing |
| 11:34.54 | ultrav1olet | why? |
| 11:35.27 | ultrav1olet | I hate building packages when distro has them |
| 11:36.15 | ultrav1olet | even SID doesn't have it |
| 11:36.42 | ultrav1olet | And no mentions that this package has been removed: http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/z/zabbix/zabbix_2.0.9+dfsg-1_changelog |
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| 11:38.08 | magnulu | will the debian-7.2.0-i386-CD-image boot on a non-pae system? |
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| 11:41.13 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 11:41.40 | magnulu | thank god.. great stuff :-) |
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| 11:50.47 | oznik-o | hello, i need help with exim4 permissions. is this the right place to ask? |
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| 11:51.20 | buu | Are you running debian? |
| 11:51.26 | oznik-o | i am |
| 11:51.45 | buu | Then give it a shot |
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| 11:53.37 | DammitJim | is there a way to install vim on debian precompiled with python? |
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| 11:54.42 | DammitJim | sounds like I need something like vim-python, but in WHeezy, I hvae to pick from nox, gtk, nome or athena |
| 11:55.36 | oznik-o | i have a fresh system install. exim4 fails to send mail as it does not have write permission to /var/log/exim4/ and /var/spool/exim4/. both directories are owned by libuuid:crontab . /var/log/exim4 is rwxr-xr-x and /var/spool/exim4/ is rwxr-x--- ... |
| 11:55.38 | oznik-o | do i chown something? add Debian-exim4 to crontab group... ??? |
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| 11:56.33 | themill | DammitJim: check the descriptions of those packages |
| 11:56.51 | DammitJim | oh weird... I already have vim-nox |
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| 11:57.20 | DammitJim | I wonder if I have to change a setting in my vimrc or something after that install 'cause I get -python if I check vim's version |
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| 11:58.57 | oznik-o | here's what it looks like after i send a mail: |
| 11:58.59 | oznik-o | $ 2013-10-16 13:43:13 1VWPVR-0006EK-9A Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=102 egid=104 |
| 11:59.01 | oznik-o | 2013-10-16 13:43:13 1VWPVR-0006EK-9A Failed to create spool file /var/spool/exim4/input//1VWPVR-0006EK-9A-D: Permission denied |
| 11:59.03 | oznik-o | 2013-10-16 13:43:13 1VWPVR-0006EK-9A Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=102 egid=104 |
| 11:59.05 | oznik-o | exim: could not open panic log - aborting: see message(s) above |
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| 12:00.46 | themill | DammitJim: which vim.* is the vim alternative pointing to? |
| 12:01.13 | DammitJim | oh, I have a symlink from /usr/bin/vim to /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 12:01.21 | DammitJim | and /usr/bin/vi to /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 12:01.27 | DammitJim | when I do vi, I want to open vim |
| 12:01.33 | DammitJim | I should change that |
| 12:02.25 | themill | that doesn't establish which version of vim is actually run by vim though -- that only says that vi and vim are handled by the alternatives system and we already knew that |
| 12:02.51 | DammitJim | ok, vim points to vim.nox |
| 12:03.04 | DammitJim | and vi points to vim.nox now that I uninstalled vim |
| 12:03.14 | DammitJim | that seems to have fixed my problem |
| 12:03.19 | DammitJim | thanks themill ! |
| 12:03.39 | themill | np |
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| 12:21.47 | pkug | what's the utility to do simple port tunneling (without ssh) ? |
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| 12:22.34 | pkug | like "open socket, listen on external IP, tunnel everything into localhost:someport" |
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| 12:26.43 | well_laid_lawn | ncat ? |
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| 12:27.55 | well_laid_lawn | pkug: http://nmap.org/ncat/guide/ncat-usage.html |
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| 12:28.27 | pkug | cool, but seems to be a bit heavy as it comes with a complete nmap pkg |
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| 12:31.30 | themill | pkug: which what? |
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| 12:32.26 | pkug | ncat.. but it's great, did exactly what i needed, thx well_laid_lawn |
| 12:32.54 | jumperswitch | Is the result by debootstrap an UML (User Mode Linux), it is, right? |
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| 12:34.24 | themill | pkug: netcat has nothing to do with nmap |
| 12:34.59 | pkug | themill: it does - http://nmap.org/ncat/ |
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| 12:36.49 | jumperswitch | Is the result by debootstrap an UML (User Mode Linux), it is, right? |
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| 12:37.24 | icesword | hello i m having problem with debian in virtualbox, i heard a noise when i want to use tab in terminal, also tab doesn't work for me |
| 12:37.40 | jumperswitch | Is User Mode Linux == chroot? |
| 12:37.47 | themill | pkug: no. Reread that page... it's tell you that nmap has their own version of netcat «Ncat was written for the Nmap Project as a much-improved reimplementation of the venerable Netcat.» Debian already has two netcat implementations and neither of them is from nmap |
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| 12:38.06 | icesword | any ideas on how to fix this |
| 12:38.11 | themill | jumperswitch: you end up with a functional chroot. There are lots of ways of making use of that chroot other than just calling "chroot" to enter it. If you add a kernel and bootloader it would be bootable. If you fiddled with some UML tools then you could use it with UML |
| 12:38.28 | icesword | themill hi |
| 12:38.41 | themill | jumperswitch: UML is more sophisticated than just a chroot |
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| 12:39.12 | jumperswitch | themill: So UML to chroot is like LXC to chroot? |
| 12:39.20 | jumperswitch | themill: both use cgroup / chroot? |
| 12:39.37 | icesword | anyone see me? |
| 12:40.14 | PerfDave | No :) |
| 12:40.22 | jumperswitch | strange, I was able to barely read the name 'icesword' here, but in very light gray |
| 12:40.27 | jumperswitch | it is gone now |
| 12:40.29 | icesword | :( |
| 12:40.33 | jumperswitch | ah, possible just an illusion |
| 12:40.48 | themill | jumperswitch: I don't know whether UML stuff is using features like cgroups yet. It's a different level of virtualisation and separation |
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| 12:41.09 | pkug | themill: yup.. well i just installed nmap package, i am not sure "nc" would support what i need, specifically --sh-exec opt |
| 12:41.11 | icesword | jumperswitch, test! |
| 12:41.26 | jumperswitch | themill: so UML is not using the kernel at all? |
| 12:41.36 | jumperswitch | icesword: hi |
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| 12:41.57 | jumperswitch | debhelper, tell icesword something about you |
| 12:42.03 | PerfDave | jumperswitch: UML is in User Mode :) |
| 12:42.16 | jumperswitch | PerfDave: and chroot is using the kernel, so it is in kernel? |
| 12:42.23 | icesword | hello so i heard a noise when using tab in terminal, its been like this , and tab doesn't work |
| 12:42.23 | themill | pkug: netcat-traditional has -c |
| 12:43.09 | jumperswitch | icesword: you are using an ssh client (e.g. putty)? |
| 12:43.09 | icesword | themill what client you use |
| 12:43.26 | icesword | i use xchat |
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| 12:45.09 | jumperswitch | icesword: you hear noise when tab-completion is unable to find a username starting with the letters already entered for that word. |
| 12:45.14 | jumperswitch | icesword: probably |
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| 12:46.09 | icesword | its not just that , i heard noise when i backspace in terminal |
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| 12:46.52 | jumperswitch | icesword: when you backspace and the chat-line is empty? |
| 12:47.02 | jumperswitch | icesword: should be normal behaviour then |
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| 12:47.47 | devilnorm | !list |
| 12:47.47 | dpkg | devilnorm: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:47.54 | jumperswitch | dpkg: hi |
| 12:47.55 | dpkg | hola, jumperswitch |
| 12:48.00 | jumperswitch | dpkg: are you bot |
| 12:48.01 | dpkg | no idea, jumperswitch |
| 12:48.05 | jumperswitch | dpkg: really not? |
| 12:48.06 | dpkg | jumperswitch: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:48.46 | icesword | he is bot |
| 12:49.06 | bug01 | hi, I have an issue with a debian kvm guest. suddenly it is starting only in recovery mode. how to debug? |
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| 12:49.16 | jumperswitch | icesword: no, he is a human. I know it is hard, but he sits there and writes and writes and writes. |
| 12:49.36 | jumperswitch | icesword: yesterday we had a long and interesting conversation. |
| 12:49.48 | icesword | lol |
| 12:49.55 | musca | icesword: you can select the host driver backend for vbox and the emulated sound controller for the guest. What are your settings? |
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| 12:50.59 | icesword | musca i m not sure i understand you |
| 12:51.57 | musca | the two settings are under the "Audio" property of the virtual machine |
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| 12:52.18 | icesword | tab autocomplete doesn't work, and i hear noise, guess its from HDD |
| 12:52.40 | jumperswitch | icesword: each time you hit tab, the harddrive is accessed in the same way? |
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| 12:53.58 | icesword | yes when i hit tab, nothing goes, if i do like cd …then tab it got stuck, noise noise |
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| 12:54.44 | bhuddah | icesword: do you have similar latency issues when issuing an ls on some folders? |
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| 12:55.05 | icesword | no |
| 12:56.35 | icesword | ls works |
| 12:56.44 | jumperswitch | icesword: are you sure it is the hard drive? #can you check the hard drive activity indicator? |
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| 12:57.22 | icesword | then what is it |
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| 12:58.21 | jumperswitch | icesword: just check the hard drive activity indicator when hitting tab, something suspicious? |
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| 12:59.08 | icesword | is it because its on a vm? |
| 13:00.21 | Ivan__ | What application do you use for irc? |
| 13:00.25 | icesword | the OS is a .vdi file on windows |
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| 13:01.19 | OpenTokix | Ivan__: irssi |
| 13:01.46 | Ivan__ | do you know how to disconnect from the freenode? |
| 13:02.09 | icesword | everything works fine except terminal |
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| 13:05.00 | trurl | Ivan__: CTRL+x to select server + '/disconnect' |
| 13:05.18 | icesword | he left |
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| 13:15.23 | flurry | Hello all! |
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| 13:15.47 | flurry | I can ask support here for debian iptables? |
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| 13:16.05 | flurry | Can I ask support here for debian iptables? |
| 13:16.35 | rozie | flurry: it's just iptables question I guess. just ask, if someone knows the answer, will answer... |
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| 13:16.49 | Ivan__ | Just ask. |
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| 13:18.29 | flurry | when I insert in the iptables this line in iptables.test.rules -A INPUT -j LOG for iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.test.rules I receive an error. Why? |
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| 13:19.34 | flurry | I use Debian 7.1 and iptables 1.4.14 |
| 13:20.01 | bhuddah | flurry: can you pastebin some more information, please? |
| 13:20.08 | flurry | ok |
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| 13:20.29 | PerfDave | flurry: What happens if you run "iptables -A INPUT -j LOG" directly? |
| 13:20.35 | flurry | I will pastebin my iptables.test.rules |
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| 13:22.12 | flurry | #PerfDave I receive this error: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
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| 13:24.37 | PerfDave | flurry: Can you paste the output of "lsmod | grep ipt" please? |
| 13:24.45 | flurry | ok |
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| 13:24.49 | PerfDave | Use http://paste.debian.net :) |
| 13:24.54 | flurry | yes |
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| 13:25.34 | flurry | the ouput of "lsmod | grep ipt" is empty |
| 13:25.52 | PerfDave | flurry: Are you using a nonstandard kernel? |
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| 13:26.44 | flurry | no, I use the Debian 7.1 kernel on my VPS |
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| 13:27.36 | jelly | flurry: what does uname -a say? |
| 13:28.05 | flurry | uname -r: 2.6.32-042stab079.6 |
| 13:28.22 | flurry | uname -a: 2.6.32-042stab079.6 #1 SMP Mon Aug 26 19:47:50 MSK 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:28.25 | brahman_work | Hi, what is the quickest way to check if debian package files have been changed locally? |
| 13:28.38 | jelly | flurry: that's openvz/virtuozzo, a container-based VPS technology. You don't have control over the kernel there and cannot load any modules. |
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| 13:29.22 | flurry | ok jelly, how can I solve? |
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| 13:29.35 | brahman_work | ie: package 1, has file a, file b. post installation Local file a has changed. Can I run a apt/dpkg command to check if any file contained in package 1 has changed? |
| 13:29.55 | jelly | flurry: contact your provider for help with missing features, or move to a fully virtualized platform |
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| 13:30.42 | brahman_work | kind of like dpkg -S to check if file belongs to which package. but this does an md5 sum on all files in package 1... |
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| 13:31.46 | asterismo | frikinz, |
| 13:32.24 | rozie | brahman_work: there is/should be list of md5 of all files in package |
| 13:32.26 | asterismo | frikinz, installed armhf and so far so good. I'll be adapting your tutorial to spanish and post it in a personal blog of useful things |
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| 13:33.22 | brahman_work | rozie: Is there dpkg tool to compare the md5's of the package to the md5's of the local files? |
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| 13:33.37 | brahman_work | I do not seem to find anything in dpkg-query |
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| 13:34.36 | brahman_work | looking at debsums |
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| 13:35.57 | babilen | brahman_work: that's it, you might also be interested in cruft. But check "debsums -c" first (and read the manpage) |
| 13:36.17 | brahman_work | debsums -a ${pkg_name} | grep -v OK |
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| 13:36.23 | brahman_work | thanks all. :) |
| 13:36.23 | flurry | jelly ok! Thanks! What I need ask to my provider? |
| 13:36.40 | flurry | jelly: ok! Thanks! What I need ask to my provider? |
| 13:37.10 | jelly | flurry: to support the iptables ... -j LOG feature you seem to want, I guess |
| 13:37.17 | flurry | jelly: ...enable ipt_LOG module? |
| 13:37.26 | brahman_work | babilen: thanks for the -c flag, just read the man page. :) |
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| 13:38.29 | jelly | flurry: not usre if that's enough, I suspect with openvz there would have to be additional support to let vz containers use it as well |
| 13:39.12 | [E]sc | i'm running kde 4.8.4 with wheezy, the dolphin file manager v2.0 isn't remembering the resize i'm using and it's damn annoying...any ideas how to fix this? |
| 13:39.20 | Zharf | p |
| 13:39.29 | Zharf | whops |
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| 13:46.59 | HideMe | What is the best way to mount a NAS to appear as a local drive? |
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| 13:49.29 | CissWit | HideMe: nfs mount, smbmount, sshfs, ftpfs, etc. Depends on what you are used to. smb looks best as it behaves well with windows and many other equipments |
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| 13:49.59 | nomad_fr | \window close |
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| 13:50.39 | nihilistic_moose | HideMe, what do you mean by "local drive"? |
| 13:51.00 | nihilistic_moose | That sounds like you're speaking Windows to me. |
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| 13:52.34 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, lol Well, from the Debian Desktop, I'd like to have the NAS show-up as a "drive" when browsing Places > Computer. |
| 13:54.04 | nihilistic_moose | HideMe, which desktop? Gnome? |
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| 13:54.20 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, Yes sir. |
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| 14:03.03 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, Do you know how to do that? |
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| 14:04.41 | nihilistic_moose | HideMe, I haven't used Gnome 3 at all (KDE here), nautilus may do some funkiness to mount NFS as a local disk rather than mounting it to your existing filesystem... the other though I have is iscsi if your NAS will do it |
| 14:05.00 | nihilistic_moose | I can't escape the question of why? |
| 14:05.31 | bug01 | debian starts only in recovery mode, how to debug? |
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| 14:05.56 | nihilistic_moose | s/though/thought/ |
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| 14:08.13 | PerfDave | bug01: What happens when you try to start it normally? |
| 14:08.24 | reisi | what does it mean when a package declares two dependencies to the same package, like http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/initramfs-tools does with initramfs-tools-bin; are those basically OR'd or is that package broken? |
| 14:08.32 | PerfDave | bug01: Has this always happened? Is it a new thing? What changes happened before it broke? |
| 14:09.06 | PerfDave | reisi: That's one dependency which is ORd, that's why there's no seperate bullet point. |
| 14:09.13 | PerfDave | reisi: But this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 14:09.38 | bug01 | sometimes, realy sometimes it boots in regular mode. when not it says "loading, pleas wait..." thats it |
| 14:10.52 | reisi | PerfDave: thanks for clarifying. i also understand that this isn't #ubuntu, but then again, not many dpkg/packaging knowledgeable people around there either |
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| 14:11.33 | boudiccas | \msg dpkg version subversion |
| 14:11.57 | PerfDave | reisi: This is a reason to use Debian and not Ubuntu ;) |
| 14:12.00 | jelly | reisi: they're always ANDed, OR has to be explicit |
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| 14:12.22 | jelly | reisi: if you grab that package, dpkg -I says Depends: initramfs-tools-bin (>= 0.99ubuntu13.2), initramfs-tools-bin (<< 0.99ubuntu13.2.1~), |
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| 14:12.42 | jelly | reisi: you can freely ask such questions in ##linux though |
| 14:13.49 | jumperswitch | Why is a multistrap made Debian wheezy rootfs only 152M and a debootstrap made rootfs 233M? It is a difference at least of about 34,76%! |
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| 14:15.30 | Quare | jumperswitch: perhaps different priority? |
| 14:16.11 | Quare | debootstrap selects packages with required and important priority by default. multistrap only required. |
| 14:16.23 | reisi | where should i be looking for documentation on to really understand what possible versions could satisfy the Depends: line jelly just pasted? is debian.org/doc/debian-policy the most accurate? |
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| 14:21.13 | jelly | reisi: I have to admit I don't know whether ~ bit is defined in debian-policy |
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| 14:23.00 | jumperswitch | Quare: I configured multistrap to use required, too |
| 14:23.03 | jumperswitch | Quare: and important |
| 14:23.37 | Quare | jumperswitch: no idea then. |
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| 14:27.26 | ocmsRzr | hi all, I'm trying to get wireless working on my samsung chromebook booting debian jessie off of a sd card |
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| 14:29.29 | ocmsRzr | I can scan wireless networks with "iw dev mlan0 scan" but all other wireless tools (wpa_supplicant iwlist iwconfig) |
| 14:29.49 | ocmsRzr | don't work, they appear to be recognizing it without firmware or as an ethernet device |
| 14:29.55 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, so I can use gnome disk utility on the drive. |
| 14:30.08 | mtn | ocmsRzr: did you try the debian wiki for wireless? |
| 14:30.14 | ocmsRzr | yes |
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| 14:30.21 | mtn | ocmsRzr: and? |
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| 14:31.23 | ocmsRzr | I can't figure out whats going on, I have the firmware in /usr/lib/firmware/mrvl and lsmod shows the kernel module loaded, but I can't get wpa_supplicant to connect |
| 14:31.30 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, I've mounted the network drive as NFS, but gnome disk utility can't navigate dirs and selects / as default. I want to be able to select the NFS drive in gnome disk utility. |
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| 14:32.10 | ocmsRzr | this is a samsung chromebook arm, I copied firmware from the chromebook |
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| 14:33.01 | reisi | i don't understand, asking dpkg to install (-i) the initramfs-tool package just worked, but straight dpkg --configure --pending failed after apt-get left it half-installed |
| 14:33.51 | ocmsRzr | lshw shows the card, but says firmware=NA |
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| 14:50.23 | ment0s | Hellp |
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| 14:53.12 | nihilistic_moose | HideMe, what is your ultimate goal? |
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| 14:54.01 | jelly | tu Rule the World! |
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| 14:54.05 | ment0s | Could any one tell me whats the way to determina sata controller speed other than hdparm var/log/messages or dmesg ? |
| 14:54.09 | C00re | i achived my ultimate goal. being ruler of the universe |
| 14:55.03 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, to be able to select that network drive in gnome disk utility. |
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| 14:55.37 | nihilistic_moose | HideMe, gnome disk utility is used for making changes to disk, what changes do you ultimately what to make to that volume? |
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| 14:55.54 | Iridos | ment0s, you mean... determining them by any or several of those wouldn't be enough? |
| 14:56.38 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, you can also use it to test the disks and get stats though. |
| 14:57.17 | ment0s | well, I want to make sure that my sata port is actually capable of running at 6gbps, hdparm and others shows that yes it is, laptop specification also states it. However maximum speed I can get is sata 3gbps and kernel is not bringing 6gbps up at all |
| 14:57.21 | HideMe | nihilistic_moose, benchmark and smartdata too. |
| 14:57.50 | nihilistic_moose | HideMe, iSCSI |
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| 14:58.58 | ment0s | so basicaly I have msata 6gbps drive inserted but cannot get it to run at more than 3gbps so I want to somehow check what sata controller is capable of running |
| 14:59.03 | Iridos | ment0s, hdparm -I /dev/somedevice just repeats what the drive tells itself |
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| 14:59.41 | ment0s | Iridos: hdparm tells me what Inserted ssd is capable of ( which is 6gbps ) but not controller itself |
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| 15:06.20 | ttback | hello, have a question on debian package management |
| 15:06.32 | ttback | i had a script that says sudo -E aptitude install -y python2.7=2.7.5-8 |
| 15:06.34 | ttback | that worked last week |
| 15:06.48 | ttback | now it says Unable to find a version "2.7.5-8" for the package "python2.7" |
| 15:07.04 | ttback | but it seems to be still right there, http://packages.debian.org/sid/python2.7 |
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| 15:09.03 | Iridos | judd, versions python2.7 |
| 15:09.04 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6; jessie: 2.7.5-8; sid: 2.7.5-8 |
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| 15:11.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell ttback -about bat |
| 15:11.34 | Iridos | what about your bat? |
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| 15:12.20 | jelly | I'm happy enough with my python, thanks for asking. |
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| 15:14.01 | ttback | okay |
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| 15:14.03 | Iridos | your python ate your bat? Aha... |
| 15:14.20 | ttback | jelly sorry,just got in a meeting |
| 15:14.34 | ttback | so basically i need to make sure it points to either wheezy or sid |
| 15:14.43 | ttback | is there any way i can control which branch of distribution i point to |
| 15:14.53 | ttback | it looks like the "working" script was downloading it from sid |
| 15:15.05 | ttback | then now it tries to download from wheezy, and it is unable to find it |
| 15:15.55 | jelly | apt sources configuration deals with that, but once you grab newer stuff from sid, it's almost impossible to go back to older stuff like wheezy |
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| 15:16.13 | jelly | !tell ttback about wheezy sources.list |
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| 15:18.24 | Benkinooby | hi, my computer is constantly downloading something at 2-10 KiB/s and i don't know what it is. turned off all services i can think of |
| 15:18.30 | ttback | ah, just checked my source list, i am on the older version, squeeze |
| 15:18.37 | ttback | so now i need to make sure i am on wheezy |
| 15:18.50 | Benkinooby | is there a way to track down the cause of my traffic? |
| 15:19.00 | stmiller | wireshark? Maybe. And just listen on your nic |
| 15:19.54 | ttback | jelly that's pretty cool...so how do you make a bot like dpkg |
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| 15:21.02 | Benkinooby | ttback: it's pretty simple. there are many examplef for irc bots. there is a quite nice one written in python. google python but |
| 15:21.05 | Benkinooby | *bot |
| 15:21.48 | jhutchins | ttback: Generally speaking, mixing packages from different distributions will result in a broken system sooner or later. Even if the system doesn't stop working alltogether, it will frequently become impossible to manage packages on it. |
| 15:22.08 | Benkinooby | stmiller: argh - din't think of wireshark. already dug myself into man lsof Oo - now what i see on wireshark it seems to be a lot of network noised. dropbox lan sync, membership querries and reports... |
| 15:22.14 | mtn | Benkinooby: iftop -i wlan0 might help (differnet device name if you need it or course) |
| 15:22.43 | jhutchins | Benkinooby: There's also netstat. |
| 15:22.49 | ttback | Benkinooby: k |
| 15:22.52 | ttback | Benkinooby: sounds really cool |
| 15:23.15 | ttback | jhutchins: yeah, i am realizing the problem now...i think the key was on amazon's ami version update |
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| 15:24.12 | Benkinooby | jhutchins: i don't what to know how much, but what |
| 15:24.40 | Benkinooby | but as it seems the "incoming" traffic is just noise and not cause by any requests from ym computer |
| 15:24.43 | Benkinooby | *my |
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| 15:27.13 | Benkinooby | stmiller: thanks for the hint :) |
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| 15:51.27 | neyder_ | hi there i want to remove odd characters from filenames in a directory with rename but i can't figure out how to do that, I wan to remove ": < > Spaces" |
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| 15:53.06 | CissWit | rename 's/[<>: ]//g' path/to/dir/* |
| 15:53.16 | ksk | neyder_: -> #bash. and wtf is rename :o |
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| 15:53.26 | daemonkeeper | This has nothing to do with bash. |
| 15:53.37 | daemonkeeper | This is a perl expression piped into a perl utility. |
| 15:53.39 | ksk | goto perl :P |
| 15:54.20 | jelly | it's also a lefthanded robot smiley with diamond mouth |
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| 16:00.20 | NotJimCarrey | when i run hostapd, i lose net connectivity on the host |
| 16:00.24 | NotJimCarrey | what am i missing? |
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| 16:10.20 | NotJimCarrey | also, in my sources.list, i have "deb [arch=all] http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian experimental main" but it's still looking for i386 |
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| 16:15.32 | CygniX | apache 2.4 with ssl.conf gives error "SSLSessionCache: 'shmcb' session cache not supported (known names: ). Maybe you need to load the appropriate socache module (mod_socache_shmcb?). " |
| 16:15.57 | CygniX | wait, looks like I need to load that module |
| 16:16.19 | daemonkeeper | If you use that, you do. |
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| 16:17.30 | daemonkeeper | If wonder how you managed to come there CygniX. |
| 16:17.49 | daemonkeeper | The apache module loader ensures this dependency is followed when activating SSL. |
| 16:18.43 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: I copied ssl.conf and ssl.laod from ../modules-available to enabled daemonkeeper |
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| 16:19.22 | daemonkeeper | CygniX: You want to read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian |
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| 16:22.04 | feyd | is there a way to access 1 or two packages only in the experimental repos? |
| 16:22.16 | daemonkeeper | !pinning |
| 16:22.17 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 16:23.07 | feyd | daemonkeeper: ill start reading, thanks |
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| 16:25.55 | feyd | and another question, possibly stupid - I added i386 architecture to instsall teamviewer 32bit on my testing installation, I need to keep that architecture to keep that program running correctly, right? |
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| 16:26.55 | daemonkeeper | Since teamviewer is a hacked wine 32 bit binary you do. |
| 16:27.07 | feyd | alrighty |
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| 16:29.56 | jhutchins | feyd: experimental is never a full release, it's only occasional packages. |
| 16:30.00 | jhutchins | !experimental |
| 16:30.02 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 16:30.32 | feyd | jhutchins: right, I wanted to get a recently upgraded package |
| 16:31.09 | CygniX | daemonkeeper: thanks, the help file is stragith foward |
| 16:31.26 | CygniX | s/stragith/straight |
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| 16:32.34 | WormFood | I'm about to add an mSATA SSD drive to my laptop, and I'd like to measure the speed difference. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking the time stamps in the log files should give me an idea, but wondering if there was an easier way to benchmark the boot speed of a Linux machine. (perhaps some tool to help out) |
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| 16:33.23 | jhutchins | WormFood: A watch with a second hand? |
| 16:34.00 | Zzeiss | What's the Wheezy device for audio input (microphone)? I can set the sensitivity via the sound control panel, but I can't find the device in /dev |
| 16:34.01 | WormFood | you know, back in the days of 8-bit computers, that's what I'd do...but come on, we can do better than that now |
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| 16:34.56 | babilen | feyd: And you don't have to pin anything for experimental due to reasons detailed in "man 5 apt_preferences" (cf. "APT's Default Priority Assignments" → "priority 1"). It should be noted that installing packages from experimental might cause problems and you don't really want to mix it into stable. |
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| 16:37.26 | feyd | babilen: im on testing, but its not a system-essential package, so im not too worried |
| 16:37.40 | Zzeiss | I'm looking for the equivalent of /dev/dsp on Wheezy... and not finding it. Google isn't helping. What am I missing? |
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| 16:38.30 | babilen | feyd: Sure, just assumed you are using stable as you ask in this channel and not #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) and thought "better safe than sorry" |
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| 16:38.50 | feyd | ah didnt know about that, thanks for the info |
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| 16:39.13 | feyd | babilen: so if I don't need to pin to access experimental, do I use backports? |
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| 16:41.25 | kexibq | anyone here using stable with f.lux |
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| 16:41.32 | babilen | feyd: experimental and backports are not related at all; I simply wanted to elaborate that *due to the specific way experimental is configured* packages won't be installed from there by default (as they are already given a priority of 1) |
| 16:41.54 | feyd | babilen: alright, thanks for clarifying |
| 16:41.56 | babilen | kexibq: f.lux is neither in Debian nor supported by us. Look into redshift for a packaged alternative. |
| 16:42.09 | kexibq | babilen: Ah right ok. Thanks |
| 16:42.15 | babilen | feyd: Sure, no problem :) |
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| 16:42.29 | Level15 | Hi, all. Got some big issue here: i have an ibm ts3100 tape library. lsscsi shows me the two drives but no media changer device... wny hints? |
| 16:43.20 | babilen | kexibq: You can, naturally, still use f.lux, but we won't support that and you would have to ask upstream for help. (It's also typically a good idea to simply ask your question and not search for "anyone" unless you *really* want to know if "there is anyone in the whole world who has done that" to which the answer is almost always "yes" :) |
| 16:43.38 | kexibq | babilen: Thanks :-) |
| 16:44.23 | kexibq | babilen: Another thing I wondered, for some reason I am being asked to apt-get autoremove a whole load of packages.. including cdrdao and others I consider essential, do you know why this would happen? |
| 16:44.38 | kexibq | network-manager and things, too |
| 16:44.41 | babilen | kexibq: fwiw, I found redshift to be more than adequate, but don't use it as it messes with my eyes. |
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| 16:46.04 | babilen | kexibq: Probably because you removed a dependency of some high-level metapackage such as gnome which caused the removal of that metapackage. All other dependencies are then considered to be "unneeded" as you never installed them manually and nothing depends on them. |
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| 16:46.33 | babilen | kexibq: But please show me actual output on http://paste.debian.net together with your sources.list if you want real help :) |
| 16:46.37 | linuxthefish | hi, does anyone know how to allow remote MySQL in Debian 7? |
| 16:46.46 | kexibq | babilen: sure, just a sec :-) |
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| 16:47.21 | quup | hi, is emacs use really this low or have I got the package name wrong? http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=vim%2C+emacs%2C+gedit%2C+kate%2C+nano&show_vote=on&want_percent=on&want_legend=on&from_date=2010-01-01&to_date=2013-10-10&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 |
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| 16:48.28 | kexibq | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/58425/ + http://paste.debian.net/plain/58426 |
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| 16:49.19 | babilen | quup: emacs has to be explicitly installed wheareas all other packages are pulled in by some metapackage that is typically installed (gnome -> gedit) or installed by default (vim-tiny, nano) |
| 16:49.38 | babilen | quup: Ah, it is "vim" :-/ |
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| 16:50.04 | babilen | quup: We always knew that emacs is inferior to vim, but I agree something is off ;) |
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| 16:52.20 | babilen | kexibq: Yeah, that looks as if you installed the gnome desktop environment during the initial installed and subsequently removed one of its dependencies. The way to deal with this is to mark packages you want to keep (e.g. network-manager-gnome) with either "apt-mark manual PKG" or by running "apt-get install PKG" for the packages you want to keep. |
| 16:52.22 | super3 | can someone point out to me what is wrong with my bash file? https://gist.github.com/super3/7011024 |
| 16:52.30 | super3 | i have it called automine.sh, then i did a chmod +x automine.sh, then i tried to run it, but I get this "E: Invalid operation update" |
| 16:53.08 | kexibq | babilen: I did the netinstall and chose xfce from advanc |
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| 16:53.23 | kexibq | advanced options during install* , how come gnome got installed? :/ |
| 16:54.13 | babilen | kexibq: It is typically a good idea to choose not all packages from that list, but those that you actually want to keep and let *them* depend on whatever they depend on. |
| 16:54.32 | quup | babilen: :p |
| 16:54.42 | yaf_elec | hi. I'm running debian squeze on my laptop. Any idea why I get only 1 option (1600x900) for screen resolution at monitor preferences window ? |
| 16:54.50 | kexibq | babilen: blah, I'm confused. |
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| 16:57.13 | flux242 | super3: aren't you missing sudo? |
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| 17:01.36 | super3 | flux242: added that same error. getting not found 2: automine.sh |
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| 17:03.03 | Iridos | yaf_elec, look in the X log /var/log/Xorg.0.log for reasons... use xrandr ... you can make your own modes there (but it's not totally obvious/trivial) |
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| 17:04.03 | Iridos | yaf_elec, whatever you use is more or less just a frontend to xrandr anyway |
| 17:04.06 | Iridos | dpkg, xrandr |
| 17:04.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 17:04.19 | Iridos | dpkg, RandR |
| 17:04.20 | dpkg | The X Resize, Rotate and Reflect Extension (RandR) allows the server to inform clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://x.org/wiki/Projects/XRandR . Ask me about <xrandr>. |
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| 17:04.45 | yaf_elec | Iridos, what exactly am I looking for in there ? |
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| 17:05.27 | flux242 | super3: does apt-get update work alone? |
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| 17:05.46 | super3 | nope don't think so |
| 17:05.49 | yaf_elec | Iridos, can you have a look: http://paste.debian.net/58432 ? |
| 17:06.18 | yaf_elec | "(WW) VESA(0): Unable to estimate virtual size" |
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| 17:06.30 | flux242 | super3: if apt-get update doesn't work then how your script is supposed to work? |
| 17:06.36 | super3 | testing now |
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| 17:07.25 | babilen | kexibq: Anything I can do to unconfuse you? |
| 17:08.32 | kexibq | babilen: heh ummmm, I just am unsure why *any* gnome packages were installed, I want to have the bare minimum I need for a working system. (I strongly dislike gnome) |
| 17:08.46 | Iridos | yaf_elec, what does only "xrandr" give you as output? only one mode as well? |
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| 17:09.57 | yaf_elec | yes http://paste.debian.net/58433 |
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| 17:10.17 | super3 | hmm suddenly its working |
| 17:10.50 | flux242 | kexibq: to find out why a package is installed use - 'aptitude why package_name' |
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| 17:13.07 | Iridos | yaf_elec, fascinating. what's the output of lspci -nnn |grep -i vga |
| 17:14.00 | Iridos | (should be only one line) |
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| 17:15.53 | yaf_elec | Iridos, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:0166] (rev 09) |
| 17:16.14 | cwong2012 | real 858m47.951s thats 858minutes right? user 1m20.885s, sys 0m9.422s. does that make sense? real = 858min, user only 1min? system 9 sec? |
| 17:16.15 | Iridos | judd, pciid 8086:0166 |
| 17:16.17 | judd | [8086:0166] is '3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0166 |
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| 17:16.45 | Level15 | hi, all: what kernel driver/module should I use for a FC tape autoloader? So far the modules I have loaded show the drives but not the changer device. Thanks. |
| 17:18.01 | Iridos | yaf_elec, I suspect that resolution thing is a property of what your x server is using... which is a VESA compatibility mode together with the kernel framebuffer... |
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| 17:18.30 | tengelic | hello! is it always safe to shut down the computer manually before logging into terminal (or any X session)? |
| 17:18.30 | Iridos | yaf_elec, and if that is used... I would say it's not detected correctly... |
| 17:19.02 | super3 | kinda got it working |
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| 17:19.59 | Iridos | yaf_elec, try if this shows you that the i915 kernel module is loaded... with "lsmod |grep i9" also check if xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed with dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel (should say ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-6 ) |
| 17:20.39 | yaf_elec | Iridos, btw, I realized I cannot switch to terminal. whenever I press ctrl-alt-fn it doesn't work. the screen gets black and even worse ctrl-altf7 doesn't work either, so I have to reboot |
| 17:20.49 | Iridos | yaf_elec, hm, another reason I can imagine for this... would be if you're using a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit X server... |
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| 17:21.06 | Iridos | yaf_elec, it might be on F8 instead of F7 |
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| 17:21.16 | yaf_elec | Iridos, no |
| 17:21.16 | Iridos | or even F9 :) |
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| 17:21.21 | Iridos | hmm, ok |
| 17:21.39 | xSmurf | what the hell is that iceape crap?? |
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| 17:22.24 | mtn | xSmurf: apes gotta go somewhere |
| 17:23.24 | xSmurf | srs, why does it want me to install that crap, remove gnome because I want enigmail?!?! |
| 17:23.25 | Circuitsoft | Hello. I just upgraded from Squeeze (k3.0.something) to Jessie (k3.10.11) to take advantage of KVM VGA passthrough, and now I can't get any PCI redirection to work. |
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| 17:23.57 | Circuitsoft | How can I debug this? |
| 17:24.04 | feyd | so if I'm on debian testing, and I add unstable to my apt sources where I have both unstable and testing, will everything automatically upgrade to stable? or does it just act as a mirror, then I can work with pinning and give priorities to the distributions |
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| 17:24.58 | xSmurf | feyd: a mirror? that made no sense |
| 17:25.12 | xSmurf | you can add both testing and unstable repos and pin them properly. |
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| 17:25.18 | debiantoruser | Greetings! |
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| 17:25.21 | feyd | xSmurf: sorry that was a bad word to use, not appropriate |
| 17:25.30 | feyd | xSmurf: not....apt. |
| 17:25.32 | feyd | OH MAN |
| 17:25.36 | debiantoruser | I'm on the Ubuntu 13.04, trying to enable auditd in the lxc-container |
| 17:25.38 | feyd | write that down |
| 17:25.55 | xSmurf | huh? |
| 17:25.59 | feyd | it was a joke |
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| 17:26.11 | feyd | apt, as in not appropriate, but apt is also the package manager in debian |
| 17:26.11 | apt | feyd: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:26.23 | feyd | apt: understandably, im not very funny |
| 17:26.29 | xSmurf | evidently :p |
| 17:26.37 | mtn | debiantoruser: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 17:27.03 | debiantoruser | I play around with lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = a, but container in start kill my host system, cause looks like it takes the video card (/dev/ati/card0), how should i add exception for my card, and what is the magic with auditd, why it whant not start inside container? |
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| 17:27.26 | feyd | xSmurf: so I add stable and setup my pins, give testing as a higher priority, if I try to install something that's in both testing and unstable, it will install the testing version, correct? |
| 17:27.33 | ompaul | debiantoruser: #ubuntu 5 channels up on the right hand side :-) |
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| 17:27.40 | debiantoruser | type=DAEMON_ABORT msg=audit(1381944451.549:3771): auditd error halt, auid=4294967295 pid=345 res=failed |
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| 17:28.02 | xSmurf | feyd: correct |
| 17:28.09 | debiantoruser | ompaul, i'm rely on that here are most proffessional users of debian software |
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| 17:28.23 | ompaul | !ubuntu-irc |
| 17:28.23 | dpkg | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 17:28.26 | feyd | xSmurf: are there a lot of instances where something will be in unstable but not testing? |
| 17:28.36 | xSmurf | and if you pin unstable to -1 if you try to install something that exists only in unstable without explicitly specifying to install from unstable, it will refuse to install |
| 17:28.43 | ompaul | debiantoruser: if we wanted to use ubuntu we would be in #ubuntu :) |
| 17:28.54 | debiantoruser | Unable to set audit pid, exiting |
| 17:28.55 | debiantoruser | The audit daemon is exiting. |
| 17:28.55 | debiantoruser | Error setting audit daemon pid (Connection refused |
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| 17:29.10 | Iridos | yaf_elec, ? is the i915 module loaded? |
| 17:29.10 | xSmurf | feyd: not a *lot* but sometimes they are key packages seeing as you probably want recent changing stuff more than you want things that have been in there for ever |
| 17:29.11 | debiantoruser | I'm not about ubuntu, I'm about lxc-container |
| 17:29.42 | xSmurf | debiantoruser: lxc in ubuntu. |
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| 17:30.14 | debiantoruser | xSmurf, in the debian no lxc? |
| 17:30.36 | ompaul | debiantoruser: on a ubuntu box with an audio /lxc issues according to yourself we don't know what they did with configs we don't know what they did with the kernel we don't know ubuntu |
| 17:30.43 | xSmurf | sure there is, but it's lxc in debian, not lxc in ubuntu |
| 17:31.02 | feyd | xSmurf: I see, and you're right. So is there a way to favor unstable packages for non system-essential things? Mainly just applications, and excluding things like grub, or the kernel versions |
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| 17:31.50 | debiantoruser | I have complete all of goolge's pages, there is the same vector of troubles in Ubuntu and Debian, they are the similar |
| 17:32.01 | xSmurf | feyd: I don't _think_ you can set something this granular without specifically pinning those to testing, but you'd have a huge pin list, not very practical... and you'd inevitably end up with library dependency problems |
| 17:32.11 | xSmurf | if you want unstable run unstable |
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| 17:32.28 | xSmurf | if you want testing run testing and pin specific programs you really need the version in unstable |
| 17:32.56 | feyd | yea thats a good point |
| 17:34.23 | yaf_elec | Iridos, no idea... I switched to recovery mode and tried to create an xorg.conf file. look what the end of my logfile |
| 17:35.12 | yaf_elec | Iridos, and no, the module is not loaded |
| 17:35.18 | Iridos | yaf_elec, everything should be autodetected, really |
| 17:36.20 | Iridos | hmm |
| 17:36.22 | Iridos | dpkg, framebuffer |
| 17:36.22 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
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| 17:36.49 | Iridos | dpkg, blacklist |
| 17:36.50 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 17:37.20 | Iridos | yaf_elec, I'd try blacklisting this... you should (probably) end up with a regular console after booting... |
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| 17:38.05 | Iridos | yaf_elec, then... call dmesg |tail, look what the last lines are... try to load the module with "modprobe i915", call dmesg|tail again and see what the module says ... if there's no errors, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to run X with this driver... if there is an error, you have something you can google |
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| 17:39.05 | xSmurf | feyd: with that said, be my guest, run unstable and fill in bug reports for the great good :D |
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| 17:39.51 | feyd | I actually went to unstable at some point and had a grub rescue problem, I'm sure it was my fault, but I'm not sure what went wrong there |
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| 17:42.36 | yaf_elec | I also get this error msges whenever I run aptitude-*: http://paste.debian.net/58463 |
| 17:42.54 | yaf_elec | I remember having done something in there to make skype work... but not what exactly |
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| 17:44.44 | Iridos | yaf_elec, err. squeeze? |
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| 17:47.57 | yaf_elec | yaf_elec, yes |
| 17:48.10 | yaf_elec | Iridos, yes |
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| 17:49.13 | nonconvergent | Yo. |
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| 17:51.18 | nonconvergent | If I have a .deb to install, but I want to manage it myself, can dpkg offer me any control over it? |
| 17:51.34 | mumpitzel | manage yourself how? |
| 17:51.53 | nonconvergent | like putting its binaries in /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin |
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| 17:52.17 | mumpitzel | to a degree, you can give dpkg a diffrent root directory |
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| 17:52.22 | mumpitzel | generally, not a good idea |
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| 17:53.33 | nonconvergent | I wanted to try out a newer version of an application that the developer provides in a .deb |
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| 17:54.03 | nonconvergent | The existing one, despite being stable, has a tendency to crash on me. |
| 17:55.33 | flux242 | nonconvergent: just extract binaries manually and try them out |
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| 17:56.26 | feyd | xSmurf: for upgrades in apt, is there a way to view which version the package is being installed from? |
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| 17:59.22 | xSmurf | feyd: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 17:59.44 | feyd | what about before it installs or upgrades? |
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| 18:00.15 | feyd | i set it up how I think it should be, but now I see a '85 not upgraded' and that is concerning, so I think i did something wrong |
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| 18:12.30 | jumperswitch | Ah, this is so frustrating. There is so few information about lxc. |
| 18:12.33 | jumperswitch | Are you sure it isn't dead? |
| 18:12.52 | jumperswitch | I don't want to provocate or to troll, but I am a little bit scared about how unmature it is still. |
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| 18:13.25 | xSmurf | jumperswitch: lxc is well alive |
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| 18:16.33 | Quare | jumperswitch: out of curiosity, did you found out the cause of the debootstrap/multistrap difference? |
| 18:18.42 | nonconvergent | Futzing around with a ssb andgot this: E: Build-Depends dependency for mysql-workbench cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package libmysqlcppconn-dev can't satisfy version requirements |
| 18:19.01 | nonconvergent | what's that mean? |
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| 18:24.40 | kyle___ | Did something change with iceweasel & java? My plugin appears to have stopped working, even though there's a valid symlink in /etc/alternatives. |
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| 18:26.03 | adrianoc | hi guys, anyone help-me ? i installed PL/SQL in my debian 6.0 and wine 1.0.1, but the icons are not displayed correctly, you see here ... http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/pl_sql_wine-png--2 |
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| 18:26.33 | woshty | Any suggestions on archiving email from an imap account in a searchable way? are there packages that do something like that? |
| 18:27.35 | kyle___ | woshty: You can configure mutt to save all your mail locally & search it. |
| 18:28.33 | woshty | kyle___: hmm, i will take a look at using mutt at least for browsing .. thank you. |
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| 18:38.15 | babilen | adrianoc: I'd try a newer version of wine. Best to upgrade your squeeze system to wheezy too, but we can neither really support pl/sql nor wine. See #winehq for help with wine and http://www.oracle.com/us/support/index.html for the latter. |
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| 18:38.30 | babilen | s:latter:pl/sql |
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| 18:39.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell adrianoc -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 18:39.58 | roelj | I'm trying to get the dutch spell checking to work in LyX on wheezy (7.2). Is any additional configuration needed? |
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| 18:40.26 | jhutchins | adrianoc: Getting an application that expects Windows to display properly on an Xorg desktop, which can uses any of several different methods of rendering, is pretty futile. If it works AT ALL you're lucky. |
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| 18:44.12 | feyd | anyone upgraded from testing to stable recently? |
| 18:44.46 | jhutchins | feyd: Thousands of people. |
| 18:45.00 | feyd | stupid question i guess |
| 18:45.03 | feyd | ill dial them down |
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| 18:46.06 | jhutchins | feyd: I think you mean from stable to testing. Testing to Stable probably requires a reinstall, all though some would consider it an upgrade. So wheezy->jessie? |
| 18:46.16 | babilen | feyd: What? You cannot upgrade from testing to stable. Firstly that isn't an upgrade, but a downgrade and secondly it isn't supported. |
| 18:46.28 | feyd | actually no, i just spaced out, I meant testing to unstable |
| 18:46.30 | feyd | sorry bout that |
| 18:46.38 | feyd | jessie -> sid is it? |
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| 18:46.42 | babilen | yeah |
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| 18:47.30 | babilen | feyd: That shouldn't be a problem (subject to usual problems typically faced when running testing/unstable). Make sure to follow best-practices as explained on, for example, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 18:48.48 | feyd | babilen: will do, thanks |
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| 18:50.13 | babilen | feyd: I personally would strongly recommend to make sure to have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed and to configure apt-listbugs in such a way that it also shows important bugs. You can achieve that by editing /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs |
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| 18:51.41 | feyd | my main concern is grub, as long as I can get the system to boot I feel good about an ubgrade, I'll definitely monitor the bugs and changes, thanks for the advice |
| 18:52.21 | escapereality | hey guys, anyone got experience with running Debian on Dell's XPS 15z? |
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| 19:05.46 | kexibq | is there any way to exceed 100% volume in debian stable? (I think iirc ubuntu could push over 100%) |
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| 19:06.35 | Sevet | hi, i can't access my server... remote kvm login as root fails with "INIT: cannot fork, cannot allocate memory" |
| 19:06.46 | jhutchins | kexibq: By definition, 100% is the full capacity of a system, so no, and if it looked like there was a way it was because someone lied to you about the real capacity. |
| 19:06.58 | Sevet | is there anyway to login and find out what's using all the memory before i reboot the server? |
| 19:07.30 | jhutchins | Sevet: Can you disconnect the virtual network connection? |
| 19:07.52 | kexibq | jhutchins: so how come ubuntu was able to override the so called 'max' (100%) ? |
| 19:08.03 | kexibq | because it was much louder than the maximum on my stable box |
| 19:08.04 | jordanm | Sevet: that's a physical server? |
| 19:08.07 | Sevet | jhutchins: no... |
| 19:08.12 | jhutchins | kexibq: Because the actual maximum was greater than what it labeled 100%. It lied. |
| 19:08.13 | Sevet | jordanm: dedicated server @ fasthosts |
| 19:08.18 | mtn | kexibq: I think you are lookig for pavucontrol |
| 19:08.38 | jordanm | Sevet: while that says "cannon allocate memory" it can also be a maxproc limit |
| 19:08.40 | somiaj | Sevet: do you have access to the host? |
| 19:08.50 | jordanm | usually OOM killer will take care of memory issues like that |
| 19:09.00 | Sevet | somiaj: only network (ssh etc) and remote kvm |
| 19:09.31 | jhutchins | Sevet: Does ssh work? |
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| 19:09.43 | kexibq | mtn: thanks, but doesn't seem to work for me :( |
| 19:09.47 | Sevet | jhutchins: connection is immediately disconnected with ssh banner by the server |
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| 19:10.01 | somiaj | Sevet: kvm is a virutal server running, so do you have access to the host running that virtual server? Or do you mean remote vnc via a non virtualized server? |
| 19:10.01 | Sevet | *without (before) ssh banner |
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| 19:10.15 | Sevet | somiaj: remote Keyboard Video Mouse |
| 19:10.22 | Sevet | the other kind of kvm |
| 19:10.25 | jordanm | somiaj: KVM is also used to reference remote management cards on physical nodes |
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| 19:10.51 | jhutchins | Sevet: That's pretty much what we'd expect if it can't fork a shell for console login. |
| 19:10.56 | somiaj | ahh, yea. Well then nevermind my question. (: |
| 19:11.32 | jhutchins | I hate it when they re-use acronyms for something new. |
| 19:11.39 | jordanm | Sevet: I think you are stuck waiting and hoping it resolves itself or rebooting it |
| 19:11.49 | Sevet | jhutchins: since you asked about network connection, bandwidth monitor shows a complete drop off of network traffic so doesn't look network related (ddos) |
| 19:12.04 | Sevet | (mostly just running mysql apache and freeswitch) |
| 19:12.19 | jordanm | jhutchins: KVM (virtualization) definately came later |
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| 19:12.43 | jhutchins | Sevet: Ok, well, there was a chance if you choked network traffic something would die, but I'm with jordanm - you can wait and hope for a random recovery or reboot. |
| 19:13.07 | Sevet | *sigh* going to kill the power then and hope syslog has something |
| 19:13.24 | jordanm | if you wern't running systat, you should be |
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| 19:14.39 | Sevet | i installed it last week but it's disabled... |
| 19:14.55 | Sevet | ("oops") |
| 19:15.03 | jhutchins | I'm betting freeswitch has a memory leak. |
| 19:15.24 | Sevet | perhaps - it's coincidentally on the day we've had the most number of calls going |
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| 19:15.39 | Sevet | out of interest - how would i go about finding out what was using all the ram from sysstate if it were running? |
| 19:16.26 | jhutchins | Sevet: You should probably be running something like Nagios that will check for high ram usage and alert you. |
| 19:17.29 | Sevet | jhutchins: only server at the moment but not for long, that's definitely something i'll be doing |
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| 19:19.29 | jhutchins | Sevet: Worth it for one server if it's critical. |
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| 19:32.51 | jumperswitch | Quare: not yet, but it is very interesting. On the other hand, the debootstrap and multistrap installation haven't been adapted for lxc system container use, so there could something still change. |
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| 19:35.19 | Sevet | jhutchins: any idea why '/etc/init.d/sysstat status' gives 'sadc cron jobs are disabled ... failed!' ? |
| 19:38.12 | jhutchins | Sevet: The cron jobs are disabled and haven't run yet, so there are no data. |
| 19:40.12 | jhutchins | Sevet: Not sure where the rundown on how to get sysstat setup in debian is - /usr/share/doc/sysstat* or wiki. |
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| 19:41.09 | jhutchins | Hm, I suppose I should tee that script so I can see what it's doing... |
| 19:41.11 | zeeflo | Is it safe to upgrade the CPU (wheezy amd64) |
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| 19:41.15 | jhutchins | Oops. |
| 19:41.26 | zeeflo | can I upgrade from e5160's to e5420's? |
| 19:41.33 | jhutchins | zeeflo: Not while it's running, no. |
| 19:41.38 | zeeflo | i know i know |
| 19:41.56 | jhutchins | zeeflo: Otherwise, why not. Same architecture, right? |
| 19:42.04 | zeeflo | Ive just never swapped cpu's on a debian powered server |
| 19:42.24 | babilen | zeeflo: There shouldn't be a problem software-wise. |
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| 19:42.43 | zeeflo | no, i dont think the architecture on 5420's as there is in the 5160's |
| 19:43.05 | jhutchins | zeeflo: They're both amd64 aren't they? |
| 19:43.12 | zeeflo | ah |
| 19:43.22 | zeeflo | yes of course. thought you meant nm |
| 19:43.43 | zeeflo | 5160's are 60nm i think.. And 5420 are 30 or 45. |
| 19:43.45 | jhutchins | zeeflo: Given the same kernel arch it's possible to take the system drive out of one PC and boot it in another. |
| 19:44.04 | zeeflo | Ok |
| 19:44.12 | zeeflo | then it should be no problem swapping the cpus |
| 19:44.19 | ompaul | with different processors i.e. move from amd64 to intel 64bit |
| 19:44.41 | ompaul | as long as you treat the hardware with respect when changing no problem at all |
| 19:44.46 | jhutchins | zeeflo: ...especially on the same motherboard and with the same other hardware. |
| 19:44.59 | zeeflo | nothing changes, except a ram and a cpu upgrade |
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| 19:45.22 | ompaul | zeeflo: more ram is always good (unless it is a lot slower) |
| 19:45.22 | jhutchins | zeeflo: BIOS will probably halt on RAM check. |
| 19:45.39 | jelly-home | zeeflo: if the motherboard and bios firmware supports the new cpu, then sure. Debian will not mind. |
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| 19:45.53 | zeeflo | It supports the cpu's and ram |
| 19:46.09 | zeeflo | its only a 64gb upgrade |
| 19:46.14 | zeeflo | on both servers |
| 19:46.23 | zeeflo | motherboard supports 128gb |
| 19:46.23 | jumperswitch | So one can plug out a cpu from its socket and plug in a new one? |
| 19:46.25 | jumperswitch | wow |
| 19:46.38 | zeeflo | 64gb on both cpu's |
| 19:46.47 | zeeflo | if using evv |
| 19:46.48 | zeeflo | ecc |
| 19:46.53 | zeeflo | Which I am ofcourse |
| 19:46.56 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 19:46.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:49.20 | jhutchins | On VMWare, you can even hot-add CPUs while the system's running. |
| 19:49.32 | jelly-home | and RAM, too |
| 19:49.46 | zeeflo | yes |
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| 19:49.57 | BlwAvg | That has to haev some interesting side effects |
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| 19:50.04 | neyder_ | hi there i want to remove odd characters from filenames in a directory with rename but i can't figure out how to do that, I wan to remove ": < > Spaces" |
| 19:50.14 | BlwAvg | the OS randomly notices a CPU is added. |
| 19:50.28 | jelly-home | neyder_: you asked that a few hours ago and got a valid answer |
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| 19:50.48 | neyder_ | but I got out, and the history has benn overwrited |
| 19:51.02 | zeeflo | I will how ever turn off the servers when I upgrade the hardware. Its not always healthy for the system to crack it upen, if you mess up while its powered on! |
| 19:51.12 | jelly-home | neyder_: [15:53 UTC] <CissWit> rename 's/[<>: ]//g' path/to/dir/* |
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| 19:51.30 | neyder_ | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:51.44 | neyder_ | Xchat isn't working great xD |
| 19:52.20 | jelly-home | xchat can have persistent channel logging, and a separate scrollback |
| 19:52.27 | zeeflo | All our vm's runs off SAN storage. So all I gotta do it move the VM's to other hosts when I take them offline |
| 19:52.31 | jumperswitch | still xchat tab problem |
| 19:52.47 | jelly-home | I dare say if it's not working great, it's because you haven't investigated enough |
| 19:52.47 | neyder_ | weird, rename tells me Unkow option |
| 19:52.54 | jhutchins | jumperswitch: Never really liked xchat. |
| 19:53.04 | jelly-home | neyder_: which Debian release are you using? |
| 19:53.14 | jhutchins | jumperswitch: Most of the guys I know run irssi in screen so it's portable. |
| 19:53.24 | nonconvergent | jhutchins: or tmux |
| 19:53.33 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: == |
| 19:54.06 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: Yeah, I'd say it's probably 50/50. I only use screen out of habig. |
| 19:54.11 | jhutchins | s/habig/habit. |
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| 19:55.16 | jhutchins | neyder_: Probably have to escape special characters. |
| 19:56.16 | jelly-home | neyder_: there are two different programs called "rename" on GNU/Linux systems, Debian uses Perl rename ("prename") by default. The other one has different syntax. |
| 19:56.26 | jhutchins | neyder_: Then again, options on your ubuntu version might be different. |
| 19:56.42 | jelly-home | jhutchins: that command like wfm on wheezy |
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| 19:56.46 | jelly-home | command line* |
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| 19:57.35 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Yeah, I'd guess Ubuntu uses a different one (he is running ubuntu). |
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| 19:58.28 | jordanm | jhutchins: it's not about ubuntu vs debian there, it's about what packages you have installed and what you have the alternative set to |
| 19:58.44 | jordanm | anways, I would recommend not using rename for that reason |
| 19:58.48 | jelly-home | jhutchins: surely he does not, why would he ask about it in here then! </rhetoric> |
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| 19:59.34 | elik | Is there a specific place to discuss multiarch stuff? I'm trying to get a cross-build project going, but I run into a few issues, mainly that packages I rely on don't have the multiarch info in the package, and their dependencies |
| 19:59.58 | neyder_ | xD |
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| 20:00.35 | elik | I saw references to #multiarch, but it's incredibly lonely in there |
| 20:01.29 | BlwAvg | yea, when I need some place to cry where no once can see me, I usually go to #Multiarch |
| 20:01.35 | neyder_ | i got, but i think it was a generic question |
| 20:01.54 | babilen | elik: You might have to compile on the target architecture or in a chroot, but there is little we can do to help without further details. It might, however, simpy not be possible with multiarch yet. |
| 20:02.14 | babilen | neyder_: Still, we support Debian and Debian users in here for technical *and* social reasons. |
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| 20:03.09 | neyder_ | babilen, it's ok |
| 20:03.11 | elik | babilen: well, I can give more info, I just wanted to make sure this was the place |
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| 20:03.55 | wood_quinn_ | After installing and uninstalling pulseaudio, I can't get my system's audio to work. |
| 20:04.07 | wood_quinn_ | I don't know where to strat troubleshooting, any advice? |
| 20:04.16 | NotJimCarrey | when i run hostapd, i lose net connectivity on the host. is there a setting i'm missing? |
| 20:04.32 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: start with alsamixer and try unmuting pcm |
| 20:04.44 | elik | babilen: Basically, I'm trying to build something against libdbus-c++-dev for armel. The thing is, when I try to aptitude install libdbus-c++-dev:armel, I get some conflics, mostly on libecore1 and libeina1 |
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| 20:05.36 | babilen | elik: That might very well be the case and you might have to build in a chroot. multiarch can't replace cross-build toolchains in their entirety yet ... |
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| 20:06.00 | elik | babilen: At first, those conflicts looked weird (conflicts with itself), but found that the multiarch: same weren't there for those packages |
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| 20:06.27 | elik | babilen: so I looked into repackaging libeina1 for multiarch |
| 20:06.48 | cantoma | hey guys, is there a way of turning off the fan of a laptop. I already have a table fan under it which should do the job. I now want to turn off the fan since it is too noisy. Is there a way without having to open the laptop? |
| 20:06.55 | elik | babilen: but trying to get the build-depend, I then get conflicts with pkg-config and such |
| 20:06.57 | wood_quinn_ | ompaul: Alright. Everything is unmuted, but I still don't hear any audio when attempting playback in VLC using ALSA. |
| 20:08.18 | babilen | elik: I see; might that work have been done in jessie/sid already? The best channel for these packaging related discussions would be #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) by the way, but I wouldn't assume yet that you can replace your entire build chain with multiarch yet. |
| 20:09.32 | elik | babilen: I currently am in jessie. Don't know about sid though. I thought irc.debian.org was same as irc.freenode.org. That might explain the loneliness in #multiarch and the likes |
| 20:09.42 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: what kind of device is it, internal external speakers does anything else work? |
| 20:09.50 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: which desktop? |
| 20:10.34 | elik | babilen: Yeah, I know it's still in the early stages for multiarch, but I'm willing to participate to the effort. If I am going to chroot, I might as well work on my target directly, which I am trying to avoid. |
| 20:10.59 | wood_quinn_ | It's a discrete card built into the motherboard of a desktop. I'm currently testing the audio output jack and don't have anything to test inputs. I'm using XFCE, and until I installed pulseaudio earlier the audio was actually playing in the background. |
| 20:11.10 | elik | babilen: thx for the pointer to #debian-mentors though! |
| 20:11.35 | jhutchins | Woot! Successfully used "disown" to detatch a running script! |
| 20:12.32 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: go to your /var/logs/apt and read the history file for the installing of pulseaudio and see what you did at that time and since |
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| 20:15.36 | babilen | elik: No problem, there are simply two sides to your question: 1. What can be done to make it work with multiarch (even if I have to work on the packaging of ....) and 2. What is the best way to configure a cross-build chain for SOFTWARE ... The first should be discussed in #d-mentors and your help would almost certainly be welcomed. |
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| 20:15.55 | wood_quinn_ | I installed minimodem, which required pulseaudio. It pulled in rtkit, gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, pulseaudio-module-x11, pulseaudio-utils, libsystemd-daemon0, libwebrtc-audio-processing-0, and libasound2-plugins |
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| 20:16.36 | ompaul | when you removed it did it kill anything |
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| 20:17.03 | wood_quinn_ | All of which have been removed using purge minimodem, purge pulseaudio, and purge autoremove. |
| 20:17.23 | wood_quinn_ | The audio stopped working when I installed minimodem/pulseaudio/deps and hasn't worked since. |
| 20:17.57 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.28 | ompaul | but can't say for certain ... check in alsamixer you are still pointing at the right sound card |
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| 20:20.51 | wood_quinn_ | I only have two available, default and the device. Both yeild the same results. |
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| 20:22.34 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: this is a long but not exhaustive list of stuff you may wish to check out https://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ |
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| 20:23.46 | AVRS | Hello. Is there a user-comprehensible description of limits.conf? I've been using the "rss" item, but `ulimits -a` shows only the limit set for "*", and the man page says about rss: "maximum resident set size (KB) (Ignored in Linux 2.4.30 and higher)" |
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| 20:24.16 | AVRS | I want to make it so that a hung program filling up RAM does not hang the whole system. |
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| 20:24.49 | AVRS | I don't understand "maximum data size (KB)"" |
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| 20:26.04 | jordanm | AVRS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_segment |
| 20:26.39 | wood_quinn_ | ompaul: It works now. Couldn't tell you why, but now I have a good refence for future problems. |
| 20:26.49 | AVRS | jordanm: thanks |
| 20:26.58 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: cool |
| 20:27.12 | AVRS | jordanm: I guess it's not enough for broken programs… |
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| 20:27.55 | AVRS | But I can try anyway… |
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| 20:29.09 | codekK | Hi all, i recently installed jessie on my PC and cant change the resolution more than 1360x768, i use 1920x1080. I follow the wiki (the how to) for try install the free drivers and propietary but without results. My graphic card is AMD Radeon HD 7790, Debian Jessie x64 |
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| 20:31.26 | Noskcaj | codekK, Have you tried the drivers on AMD's website? |
| 20:31.28 | babilen | codekK: Sounds like isma on #debian-next who unfortunately wasn't patient enough ;) |
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| 20:31.41 | codekK | babilen, i cant join to debian-next |
| 20:32.05 | babilen | codekK: The channel is on irc.oftc.net and you have been there before (IIRC) |
| 20:32.06 | codekK | Noskcaj, yes and i get error at installation |
| 20:32.21 | babilen | Noskcaj: Please don't recommend them, we have better ways to install fglrx. See https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary for details |
| 20:32.36 | codekK | babilen, i do it |
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| 20:32.40 | Noskcaj | babilen, ok. |
| 20:32.41 | codekK | i follow the wiki |
| 20:32.52 | codekK | and cant |
| 20:32.57 | codekK | doesnt work |
| 20:33.04 | babilen | codekK: Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 20:33.15 | codekK | yes |
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| 20:33.32 | babilen | codekK: What do you mean by "doesn't work" ? I thought you were using the open radoen driver and not fglrx? |
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| 20:33.57 | codekK | babilen, i try with xorg radeon driver and with fglrx |
| 20:34.00 | codekK | installing firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 20:34.04 | codekK | and all recommends |
| 20:34.09 | babilen | codekK: Might make sense to paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net ; I'll have to leave soon though. |
| 20:34.13 | codekK | follow the two wikis from debian page |
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| 20:34.31 | babilen | codekK: So, what are you using right now? |
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| 20:35.02 | codekK | atm xorg radeon |
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| 20:35.30 | babilen | Okay, bring on the paste! :) (include "xrandr -q" too) |
| 20:36.01 | codekK | okey |
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| 20:37.34 | babilen | codekK: That is a pretty new card though and you might simply have to install the very latest drivers. |
| 20:37.54 | codekK | babilen, from backports? |
| 20:38.26 | babilen | codekK: No, backports are packages *from jessie* compiled for wheezy. As you are running jessie (testing) already that wouldn't make sense :) |
| 20:38.34 | codekK | oh yes |
| 20:38.35 | codekK | sry |
| 20:38.38 | babilen | judd: v fglrx-driver |
| 20:38.39 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.4-3; experimental/non-free: 1:13.11~betav1-1 |
| 20:39.02 | codekK | from experimental? |
| 20:39.07 | codekK | or too risky? |
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| 20:40.04 | babilen | codekK: Where did you install fglrx-driver from? Did you pick it from unstable? Do you have the xorg from unstable installed as well? Did that even install/compile correctly? If I remember correctly fglrx is pretty much broken right now due to changes in Xorg, but I haven't followed the development that closely. |
| 20:40.26 | babilen | codekK: I am not sure if you can actually use fglrx right now, but you said that you tried and installed it earlier, so ... |
| 20:40.33 | twostone | There's people telling you running sid might be risky and there are those who skydive and enjoy it... |
| 20:41.06 | codekK | Now i dont have fglrx driver installed but i try it and same result that xorg radeon |
| 20:41.31 | babilen | codekK: Did it install correctly? |
| 20:41.35 | codekK | yes |
| 20:41.48 | codekK | i reboot and all works fine except resolution |
| 20:41.55 | codekK | w8 i paste xrandr -q output |
| 20:42.00 | babilen | Well, we would have to see output (and I would actually recommend to discuss it in #debian-next and wait a bit longer) |
| 20:42.20 | codekK | http://paste.debian.net/plain/58538 |
| 20:42.29 | codekK | ok ty |
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| 20:43.21 | AVRS | jordanm: I've set `ulimit -d 500000`, then made a program hang, it used 577+ MB according to the DATA column of htop, and didn't crash |
| 20:43.31 | DANtheBEASTman | is there a way to install .debs without root, same way one can compile and install without root? |
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| 20:44.34 | jhutchins | DANtheBEASTman: The system's certainly not intended to be used that way. |
| 20:45.38 | dxld | DANtheBEASTman: you could try fakeroot+fakechroot if you really want to but that never really worked properly for me |
| 20:46.53 | DANtheBEASTman | thanks anyway |
| 20:47.39 | jhutchins | DANtheBEASTman: The database is meant to be modified only by root; I think that would be the sticking point, even if you were to direct it to an alternate database. |
| 20:48.13 | jhutchins | DANtheBEASTman: You can direct it to install the software to a different path, but you do that as root. |
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| 20:48.23 | DANtheBEASTman | well I don't necessarily mean *install* without root, maybe I could just extract the contents of the deb into ~/local or something ? |
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| 20:49.29 | jordanm | DANtheBEASTman: you can extract a .deb, but all the paths are relative to / |
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| 20:50.04 | jordanm | DANtheBEASTman: dpkg -x foo.deb |
| 20:50.55 | dxld | DANtheBEASTman: unfortunately most packages won't like being extracted just anywhere because they have hardcoded paths |
| 20:52.24 | DANtheBEASTman | figured as much, thanks for all your responses any |
| 20:53.18 | dxld | DANtheBEASTman: fakeroot+fakechroot does work if you really want to have the packages without root (maybe you have non-root access to a powerful box?) but it'll need a bit of TLC |
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| 20:53.39 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: and realize if you do extract the .deb in say $HOME/foo you would have a full file system there like usr/bin etc. The biggest issue won't be running the binary but supporting libaries and common shared stuff (in /usr/share) won't be accessable to the binary you run without some work. But here it depends on the binary and what else it requires to function. Care to say what software you wish to install that you do not ... |
| 20:53.45 | somiaj | ... have root access for? |
| 20:54.06 | DANtheBEASTman | weechat. |
| 20:54.26 | DANtheBEASTman | running on a remote server, admin doesn't like installing stuff |
| 20:54.42 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: maybe for something like that provided the system as the libs to support it, extract it and running the binary would work? But it would be much nicer if you just compiled from source IMO |
| 20:54.42 | DANtheBEASTman | I could compile it but I'd also have to do all the deps as well |
| 20:55.37 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: another option is to build a static linked binary. I do not know the process. But in that case if you have a static linked binary you can build it on your machine and just copy the binary tree over. |
| 20:55.51 | DANtheBEASTman | ah! now that's not a bad idea at all |
| 20:55.54 | somiaj | that way you won't have to worry about linking against libaries that are not on the remote system |
| 20:56.26 | DANtheBEASTman | yeah, thanks for the tip! |
| 20:56.34 | somiaj | that is bascailly what firefox does when they give you the .tar.gz |
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| 20:58.11 | AVRS | somiaj: though some builds from 2011-2012 have been using a networking library in a (mixed?) way that makes them not start on jessie/sid now |
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| 21:01.19 | AVRS | somiaj: well, I said that to myself. :P Found a new workaround that does not break networking in those builds: instead of removing the build's libfreebl3.so, overwrite it with the one from jessie/sid |
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| 21:03.04 | wood_quinn_ | How can I tell if a bug is going to be included in Wheezy that was marked fixed on the bug tracker? |
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| 21:06.08 | jhutchins | wood_quinn_: Well, wheezy isn't frozen, so if it was fixed in sid, it will automatically be moved into wheezy. |
| 21:06.31 | wood_quinn_ | Cool. |
| 21:07.03 | wood_quinn_ | So it's just a matter of it not having problems for the standard amount of time for sid, unstable. |
| 21:07.06 | jelly-home | jhutchins, wood_quinn_: that only applies to security and grave bugs |
| 21:07.30 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Um, yeah, I was thinking "what if it induced new bugs"... |
| 21:08.11 | jhutchins | goes to read the automatic processing rules again... |
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| 21:08.57 | wood_quinn_ | In this case I'm thinking of the broken LXC template for Wheezy that has been fixed, and the fix included in build -10 of the version included with Wheezy (which is at build -8) |
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| 21:16.51 | jhutchins | jelly-home: So how does one determine if a certain bugfix will be in the current testing (or for that matter stable) version of a package? |
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| 21:17.24 | patriku | Hi, has any experienced problem using switcheroo so if I switch to discrete vga it just power off display. But there is no errror message in /var/log/messages and also if i run like switch to discrete; sleep 5; switch back to integrated one, it prints roughly what it has done, but everything seems to be just fine. Any help ? Thanks. |
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| 21:18.45 | Racqueteering | Hi, I'm trying to install vim7.4 onto a fresh install of wheezy debian machine. when i run make it tells me i need to specify a terminal library. Does ncurses not come with debian? |
| 21:19.54 | jordanm | Racqueteering: you need -dev packages for compiling |
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| 21:20.03 | jordanm | ,versions vim |
| 21:20.04 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; jessie: 2:7.4.027-1; sid: 2:7.4.052-1 |
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| 21:24.16 | Sivik | Anyone know what cqueue/# is? |
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| 21:25.40 | konradb | hi, any easy way to encrypt /home without erasing existing files? |
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| 21:27.06 | Sivik | konradb: as far as I know, there isn't a way |
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| 21:27.19 | wood_quinn_ | nods in agreement |
| 21:27.30 | konradb | :( |
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| 21:28.13 | wood_quinn_ | You can use a userspace encryption method to encrypt a part of your home directory, and move files there. |
| 21:28.21 | wood_quinn_ | That's probably the closest compromise available. |
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| 21:29.40 | Brigo | konradb: you can backup it first ... |
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| 21:30.01 | konradb | no shit sherlock |
| 21:30.02 | konradb | :( |
| 21:30.56 | jhutchins | konradb: It may be obvious, but we find ourselves pointing it out all too frequently. |
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| 21:37.38 | fleeky | does fsck work with fuse exfat filesystems? |
| 21:38.29 | fleeky | forget it |
| 21:38.37 | fleeky | der, fsck.exfat |
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| 21:39.25 | jhutchins | fleeky: Generally fuse mounts filesystems, which you don't want if you're going to fsck them. |
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| 21:40.14 | fleeky | my exfat partition is not mounting .. i thought i should try to use fsck to see if i could fix it with that |
| 21:40.22 | fleeky | is there another utility to use instead ? |
| 21:41.14 | jhutchins | fleeky: O believe that's the correct one. |
| 21:41.23 | jhutchins | s/O/I/ |
| 21:41.36 | fleeky | ah o |
| 21:41.38 | fleeky | ok |
| 21:41.53 | fleeky | hmm is it supposed to take a while |
| 21:42.01 | fleeky | its a 750 gig drive |
| 21:42.06 | fleeky | havent had to use fsck in a while |
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| 21:47.09 | fleeky | hmm weird |
| 21:47.16 | fleeky | fsck reports no errors on the drive |
| 21:47.18 | fleeky | and yet it fails to mount |
| 21:47.33 | fleeky | tried modprobe fuse also didnt work |
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| 21:55.28 | moog | Hello, I have a very old laptop (a Libretto 50ct) running Sarge. I basically only have an ethernet connection. Is there a way to upgrade to the latest version of Debian? |
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| 21:56.09 | moog | I looked through the support pages but it seems like having Sarge is a road block. |
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| 21:57.53 | Sevet | moog: you can upgrade through all the releases one by one until you reach stable |
| 21:58.26 | Sevet | you'll find them all on http://archive.debian.org/ which you can use with apt-get |
| 21:58.53 | Sevet | it'll take a while though. might be quicker to backup your data, install wheezy, restore your data |
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| 22:00.30 | moog | Sevet: That's my problem. I have no install media device that I can use, unless I can run a net boot/install. |
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| 22:01.20 | icesword | what do you mean upgrade the release one by one |
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| 22:01.53 | Crreeeep | hello, I am using an APU(amd), and I want to recive the "dpm" and support from the 3.11 kernel |
| 22:02.03 | Crreeeep | is there an official way to get it ¿ |
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| 22:02.54 | Sevet | icesword: sarge->etch, etch->lenny, lenny->squeeze, squeeze->wheezy |
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| 22:03.43 | icesword | i see why can't he upgrade to the newest directly |
| 22:03.59 | Sevet | because the releases introduce stuff required for the next upgrade |
| 22:04.09 | Sevet | but he could reinstall with it |
| 22:04.33 | Sevet | ie you can't do sarge->wheezy, but you could backup, install from wheezy's netinst, restore |
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| 22:04.58 | Crreeeep | that's not true I mean, if you let your pc off a month and foo recive 2 updates, you don't have to upgraded it twice |
| 22:05.02 | Sevet | moog: any usb ports? you can write the wheezy netinst image to a bootable usb dongle |
| 22:05.27 | Sevet | Crreeeep: upgrading *releases* not package versions |
| 22:05.44 | Sevet | it's not quite the same thing |
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| 22:07.23 | moog | Sevet: no, only a PCMCIA card. I do have a Windows partitian. That's how I got Sarge onto the machine. But I don't know if I can do that with Whezzy. |
| 22:07.53 | Sevet | if you have another pc i think it's possible to pxe boot the netinst image |
| 22:08.08 | Crreeeep | welp, any official way to bring linux 3.11 to stable? |
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| 22:08.48 | moog | Sevet: Ok! Thank you. I'll look into that. |
| 22:09.39 | Sevet | !tell moog about netboot |
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| 22:23.36 | wood_quinn_ | Is there a difference in the resulting installed system if I use a live image to install it instead of a standard installer? |
| 22:24.24 | patriku | wood_quinn_: debian doesnt support live image. Would avoid using it. |
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| 22:26.45 | somiaj | wood_quinn_: the debian live installers try to put a copy of the live image you installed on the system. In both cases you have a debian install so use the one you like |
| 22:27.07 | somiaj | wood_quinn_: I have personally ran across issues where the live installers don't seem to install grub correctly and require you to fix that. |
| 22:27.20 | somiaj | also the debian live installer is not the debian installer and unsure what support there is |
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| 22:37.35 | wood_quinn_ | Thanks for the info. |
| 22:37.42 | dxtr | So is it supported to stripe two lvm-on-luks disks? |
| 22:37.58 | dxtr | as in, will it ask for the password for both of my luks disks on boot? |
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| 22:39.42 | wood_quinn_ | You mean RAID striping? |
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| 22:40.06 | dxtr | no |
| 22:40.29 | dxtr | I mean adding severa disks to one LVM VG |
| 22:40.39 | dxtr | several (encrypted by LUKS) disks |
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| 22:41.38 | wood_quinn_ | Well... you can't combine two devices that are encrypted with each other using LVM as far as I know. You need to make your logical volume then encrypt *that* |
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| 22:42.02 | wood_quinn_ | However, once you do that, I have no idea how LUKS handles added drives to the volume. |
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| 22:42.11 | wood_quinn_ | (Or increases in volume size, etc.) |
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| 22:42.32 | dxtr | hmmm.. okay |
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| 23:33.55 | nex | hi. i cant have a higher resolution than 1280x1024 and i want 1920x1080 |
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| 23:35.04 | nex | it seems there is no xorg.conf |
| 23:35.09 | nex | and i cant make one |
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| 23:35.16 | nex | or get one any way |
| 23:35.26 | Sevet | !tell nex about xorg.conf |
| 23:35.45 | superjoe | hi - I noticed that this nice library has a "debian.upstream" directory which makes me think that it might soon be available with apt-get: https://github.com/jiixyj/libebur128 |
| 23:35.50 | Sevet | does your monitor actually support anything above 1280x1024? not all do |
| 23:35.55 | superjoe | but I don't see it in sid or experimental |
| 23:36.07 | nex | in windows 7 i have 1920x1080 |
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| 23:36.44 | superjoe | is there a way to find out who the maintainer is, and, if necessary, volunteer to become one? |
| 23:36.52 | patriku | nex: try to run xrandr to see what is available |
| 23:37.18 | nex | patriku i did, i got resolution of 1280x1024 and lower |
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| 23:38.35 | Sevet | superjoe: read debian.upstream/control to find its maintainer and ask them what's happening with it. i don't see a ITP (intent to package) filed on the debian bug tracker |
| 23:38.55 | Sevet | could be they plan to but haven't done anything about it officially yet |
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| 23:39.00 | superjoe | thanks |
| 23:39.14 | superjoe | found the maintainer email - thanks |
| 23:39.16 | Sevet | also it's unlikely to reach wheezy except through wheezy-backports |
| 23:39.37 | Sevet | but testing/sid/experimental perhaps |
| 23:39.53 | Sevet | nex: what's your monitor? |
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| 23:40.18 | Sevet | nvm... just read your win7 comment (was going to google supported resolutions) |
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| 23:41.01 | bgpepi | hello |
| 23:41.54 | Sevet | nex: what's your graphics card? |
| 23:42.27 | nex | ati radeon hd 6870 i think |
| 23:42.42 | bgpepi | I am a new user with Debian 7 wheezy. What is the best driver now for ati Radeon HD5450? |
| 23:42.53 | patriku | nex: run lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 23:43.47 | bgpepi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.48 | bgpepi | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450/6350] |
| 23:44.52 | nex | lspci | grep -i vga 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Barts XT [Radeon HD 6800 Series] |
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| 23:46.59 | superjoe | Sevet, I sent an email to the maintainer. What do I do if he does not reply? |
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| 23:50.56 | Sevet | superjoe: since he hasn't filed a ITP you could go over his head ;) but i'd find out from him first, and give him a reasonable time to reply (people are busy, take holidays for a few weeks etc) |
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| 23:51.51 | nex | haha dpkg trolled me |
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| 23:52.09 | superjoe | ok thanks. I will give him some time and then otherwise file an ITP |
| 23:52.24 | rjsalts | tlsdate or ntp? |
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| 23:52.55 | Sevet | !tell superjoe about mentors |
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| 23:53.17 | superjoe | Sevet, yesss thank you |
| 23:54.42 | KittyCat | seems libsdl2-2.0.0 doesn't like udev. it crashes when trying to initialize a joystick with udev |
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| 23:56.21 | KittyCat | looks like sdl 2.0.1 has a patch to use the common udev code, which I don't know if will solve the crash or not, but it seems it will require udev if compiled with it for joysticks to work |
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| 23:57.10 | KittyCat | (I can currently get around the crash by making sdl try to load a dummy libudev.so.0, which will fail and fallback to a non-udev path) |
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| 23:59.55 | nex | sevet got something for me, if not i quit for now |
