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| 00:01.05 | Sevet | open source vs proprietary drivers might give you different options... |
| 00:01.17 | Sevet | you could try the manual config factoid dpkg will have suggested to you |
| 00:01.35 | nex | oke thank you sevet |
| 00:01.36 | Sevet | could be you could force it if it's not getting autodetected |
| 00:02.15 | nex | btw i ran linux mint like half a year ago and it did the resolution fine |
| 00:02.43 | nex | but it complety crashed a few days later so now i went to debian |
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| 00:48.25 | HideMe | Does anyone know what causes "ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directoryPermission denied" ? |
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| 01:05.08 | pirret | ssh-askpass is not installed? |
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| 01:28.32 | cfree | Since installing Debian 7 I get sound but no video, usually just installing vlc worked fine, have things changed? |
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| 01:38.14 | HideMe | pirret Good call, it wasn't installed. But now there is another error complaining about udisk-tcp bridge waiting for secret but got '.sh: line 1: udisks-tcp-bridge: command not found" Does udisk need to be install on the distination? |
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| 01:39.08 | erilon | i got an email from mdadm that a disk had been removed (raid 1). i checked and it no longer showed up, for example in "fdisk -l". there were many i/o errors in dmesg. without thinking i shutdown the computer. now i can't tell which physical disk had the problem, since the sdx labels can switch. i thought mdadm would have marked the drive as failed but i tried booting with only one plugged in, then the other. both times mdad |
| 01:40.57 | erilon | is it safe to boot with both plugged in? i don't know what will happen |
| 01:41.41 | val_erie | I need to use python 3.2 , but I have 2.7 installed by default. If I install python 3.2 , how do I make sure that I am not using 2.7? |
| 01:43.37 | themill | val_erie: use #!/usr/bin/python3 in your scripts |
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| 01:45.44 | val_erie | themill, so, if I install python 3.2 and want to use it in virtual environment, I would use command virtualenv -p /usr/bin/python3.2 ? |
| 01:46.41 | erilon | i have the log showing i/o erros on sdc. is there a log that will show me what the mapping was from sdx to UUID at the time the error occured? i also tried using "smartctl -Hc" on both disks to try to tell, but they both passed |
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| 01:48.09 | themill | val_erie: btw are you doing this to install software or because you are developing in python? |
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| 01:50.07 | val_erie | themill, I just have a book that is using python3.2 to learn the language, so just wanted to know how I can do it |
| 01:50.23 | occupant | erilon: Try forcing a check on the array: echo check > /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action |
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| 01:50.28 | occupant | assuming md0 |
| 01:50.41 | zykotick9 | just heard about ksm, it seems to work pretty well with my kvm vms! my question, does "echo 1 > /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run" persist after reboot? |
| 01:51.03 | jeep | val_erie, easiest way is doing practice programs or whatever just call the version you need directly |
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| 01:52.12 | themill | val_erie: ahh... you probably don't to worry about virtualenvs at all. (they're a particularly horrible development practice because python module developers are hopeless at maintaining compatibility from one version to the next of their libraries) |
| 01:52.13 | occupant | erilon: and then do a "cat /proc/mdstat" to check the status |
| 01:52.24 | erilon | occupant: i need both disks for that right? i was afraid to boot with them both once one had been removed. i was afraid it would try to rebuild with the bad disk or something |
| 01:53.37 | val_erie | jeep, so if I start python interpreter I need to type python3.2 instead of just python? |
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| 01:54.37 | occupant | erilon: You will need both disks. And it should be safe, as it's not going to try and rebuild unless it detects a problem. and it wouldn't use the bad disk to do that. |
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| 01:55.05 | erilon | occupant: i'm not sure mdadm "knows" it's bad |
| 01:55.21 | jeep | val_erie, yes and top of scripts dont just use python |
| 01:55.24 | themill | val_erie: just "python3" is enough |
| 01:56.07 | val_erie | jeep, themill, thanks |
| 01:56.39 | krabador | ok people, i've lenny and something got wrong with catalyst driver, now the only thing i've at startup is a green line up the screen, and if i type ctrl alt f1 i've completely black screen |
| 01:57.17 | krabador | i try to login with my memory, but the system seems to not respon |
| 01:57.20 | erilon | when it does a rebuld, i'm assuming it doesn't just blindly write from one disk to the other, it first checks the block pair to see if they match? |
| 01:57.26 | krabador | respond |
| 01:57.44 | themill | val_erie: also, if you're learning python, you might find ipython3 nice. Either the Qt or web based versions are nice to play with, give you online syntax help etc |
| 01:57.53 | krabador | now, i'm in an arch in the same pc, how can i recover my debian ? |
| 01:57.54 | jeep | val_erie, i had a python unleashed book and everything it was teaching worked on newer/older versions with no problem |
| 01:58.21 | jeep | val_erie, or atleast the parts of it i went through |
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| 01:59.38 | krabador | please help me, i can't chroot my debian, because the only system i've is an arch, now, what can i edit/modify, to recover my debian |
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| 02:00.00 | jeep | krabador, use a live cd ? |
| 02:00.07 | jeep | krabador, or usb stick |
| 02:01.04 | krabador | jeep, i can't mod in anyway xorg.conf, to try to recover it? |
| 02:01.30 | krabador | jeep, can i run in a sort of recovery mode_ |
| 02:01.33 | krabador | ? |
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| 02:02.20 | jeep | krabador, use a live cd / usb stick to boot the computer from mount the drive and fix what you need i doubt you need to chroot to fix it but thats always possible |
| 02:02.49 | krabador | jeep, now i'm in an archlinux, in the same pc |
| 02:03.00 | krabador | i've mounted the debian partition |
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| 02:03.20 | gnarface | krabador: he just fucking told you what to do. |
| 02:03.34 | buu | I think he told him to "fix it" |
| 02:03.46 | jeep | yeah i was very vague |
| 02:04.09 | buu | krabador: What specifically was your last action that broke debian? |
| 02:04.13 | gnarface | krabador: if the kernels don't match enough, don't expect to be able to chroot. with a debian live cd you will have better luck |
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| 02:04.58 | krabador | buu, i installed the latest catalyt |
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| 02:05.29 | krabador | gnarface, ok, it's possible to fix my boot, without chroot? |
| 02:05.40 | gnarface | krabador: maybe |
| 02:05.42 | buu | krabador: I'm pretty sure you should still be able to get access to a console via ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 02:05.42 | krabador | now i mounted debian partition |
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| 02:05.52 | buu | but can't you just modify xorg to stop using the catalyst driver? |
| 02:05.55 | gnarface | krabador: but my point was that you can chroot if you use a livecd with the right kernel |
| 02:06.12 | krabador | buu, i tried but completely black screen |
| 02:06.15 | krabador | no cursor |
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| 02:07.35 | krabador | it's probably that i've a kernel module that i can disable from terminal? |
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| 02:08.05 | gnarface | krabador: probably not but you can try it with: modprobe -r [module] |
| 02:08.20 | jeep | krabador, you dont get a shell if you alt control f2 ? |
| 02:08.25 | jeep | *press |
| 02:08.34 | krabador | jeep, not, no shell |
| 02:08.42 | buu | krabador: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 02:08.46 | buu | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 02:08.48 | krabador | jeep, it's the first thing i triaed |
| 02:08.54 | buu | Do the reverse of the first thing |
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| 02:10.02 | jeep | krabador, do you have a usb stick you can boot from ? |
| 02:10.29 | krabador | jeep, not, that's my really annoying situation |
| 02:12.06 | gnarface | krabador: you could use a cdrom or spare harddrive too |
| 02:12.06 | jeep | krabador, you might be able to add the modules into the blacklist .. that might be enough so you have a shell |
| 02:12.07 | krabador | that's my /etc/X11 content |
| 02:12.08 | krabador | http://pastie.org/8408047 |
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| 02:13.00 | gnarface | krabador: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/ try this |
| 02:13.03 | krabador | jeep, yes, now i'm on the terminal with my /dev/sda1 mounted |
| 02:13.19 | jeep | https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 02:14.04 | jeep | krabador, directions are there just need to use the correct name to disable the fglrx or whatever |
| 02:14.18 | krabador | gnarface, great, it's what i mean with recovery mode, before |
| 02:15.00 | dondelelcaro | erilon: yes, you can boot with both plugged in. One will be marked as failed because it will be the one with the older superblock |
| 02:15.04 | gnarface | krabador: is this an optimus laptop or something? |
| 02:15.05 | krabador | gnarface, can i access to irc with a terminal client, in the way to talk with you during the single session? |
| 02:15.05 | jeep | krabador, that should get you a shell then there are uninstall directions at bottom of this page http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian |
| 02:15.10 | krabador | gnarface, not |
| 02:15.44 | jeep | krabador, i thought you couldnt get a shell ? |
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| 02:15.56 | dondelelcaro | erilon: you could also figure it out by looking at the mdadm --examine output |
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| 02:16.47 | krabador | jeep, , yes, no ctrl alt f2, but i can try to run in single user mode, by grub |
| 02:17.09 | erilon | dondelelcaro: super, thanks :) i came up with another way too, there should be an email about the failure stored on that filesystem, which sould only be on the non-removed disk, i'm recording the output of --examine too, thanks |
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| 02:19.45 | krabador | i try in single user |
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| 02:30.10 | greenride | I installed the ati proprietary drivers using these instructions on debian. https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 After installing, glxgears shows that 3D acceleration is working. However, I can't seem to get dual monitors working. When I use system settings-> Display and Monitor, the monitors keep getting cloned. |
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| 02:36.23 | zykotick9 | greenride: my "guess" is you'd need to use the propritary ATI config tool instead of the default "Display and Monitor" thing... but it's just a guess. I wouldn't touch ati with a 30 foot pole. |
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| 02:45.33 | greenride | I installed the proprietary ATI drivers with these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary Afterwards, glxgears works, but I can't get dual monitors working using system settings -> Display and Monitor. Any suggestions? |
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| 02:47.54 | asterismo | frikinz, are you there? |
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| 02:52.22 | klys | greenride: search slashdot.org for ATI |
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| 03:23.06 | Circuitsoft | Hi. I installed qemu from sid on a jessie system, pulled in the various dependencies, and now I'm getting "undefined symbol: libusb_get_port_numbers" when I run it. |
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| 03:24.03 | Circuitsoft | It seems the version of libusb in sid is the same as the version in jessie. |
| 03:24.20 | Circuitsoft | So, why would I get a linking error when running it? |
| 03:24.21 | zykotick9 | Circuitsoft: did you add sid as a binary repository? or did you backport it with apt-src? |
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| 03:24.30 | Circuitsoft | binary repo. |
| 03:24.44 | zykotick9 | Circuitsoft: bad idea. best of luck with that. |
| 03:24.54 | Circuitsoft | Then I pinned jessie with APT::Default-Release |
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| 03:25.14 | Circuitsoft | So far, I'm only seeing the one missing symbol. |
| 03:25.26 | auxy_phone | is there any way I can redirect these messages that flood my terminal when certain hardware events happen (USB connect/disconnect, LAN connect/disconnect) to a logfile somewhere? |
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| 03:25.41 | Circuitsoft | Only reason I'm going to Sid is that I need a qemu newer than 13 months old to get pci passthrough. |
| 03:26.08 | zykotick9 | auxy_phone: they should appear in "dmesg" |
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| 03:27.01 | Circuitsoft | auxy_phone: What do you have in /proc/sys/kernel/printk? |
| 03:27.29 | auxy_phone | 7 4 1 7 |
| 03:27.48 | Circuitsoft | Put "4 4 1 7" into that file and see if it stops. |
| 03:28.01 | Circuitsoft | zykotick9: I can undo my Sid upgrades pretty easily. Should I just have jessie binary and sid deb-src lines? |
| 03:28.19 | zykotick9 | !tell Circuitsoft about ssb |
| 03:28.37 | auxy_phone | yes, it seems so |
| 03:28.40 | auxy_phone | thanks Circuitsoft! |
| 03:28.58 | auxy_phone | dmesg is pretty neat |
| 03:29.00 | auxy_phone | never seen that before |
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| 04:28.15 | krabador | gnarface, thanx |
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| 04:28.35 | gnarface | krabador: got it all figured out? |
| 04:28.40 | gnarface | krabador: glad to hear it |
| 04:28.45 | krabador | gnarface, with single user mode, i've solved |
| 04:30.32 | krabador | i configured my network, then apt-get remove --purge every fglrx packages, apt-get install --reinstall all xorg server packages |
| 04:31.10 | krabador | and now all right |
| 04:32.19 | krabador | thanx again debian freenode channel |
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| 04:53.13 | prompt32 | gnarface, hi |
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| 05:52.45 | jarray52 | I played with my xserver while trying to install drivers. Now, it no longer works. I'm getting the following error message in Xorg.0.log. Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 05:52.58 | jarray52 | Any suggestions? |
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| 06:12.27 | Aiox | wow |
| 06:12.32 | Aiox | I have no idea what else to do. |
| 06:12.48 | Aiox | oh right, I need to read on how to wget websites. |
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| 06:15.00 | phix | hey, this isn't a debian specific question but some one here should know it: I was to use sed to search and replace two different patterns, the issue I am getting is when the first pattern matches and replaces the second pattern matches on the replaced pattern and changes it further, I don't want that behaviour, I sed to replace then continue onto the next character in the sequence, not look at the replaced value done by the first pattern |
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| 06:17.50 | tralala | phix, maybe reversing the patterns order will help |
| 06:18.24 | phix | tralala: it doesn't, this is the pattern --> sed '{ s:{%:{% templatetag openblock %}:g; s:%}:{% templatetag closeblock %}:g }' filename |
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| 06:19.49 | phix | tralala: and this is what I have in filename --> {% load static %} and it is replacing it to this --> {% templatetag openblock {% templatetag closeblock %} load static {% templatetag closeblock %} |
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| 06:23.04 | tralala | phix, use something unique instead of {% and %} and add a third substitution to turn it back to {% and %} |
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| 06:24.33 | Ritzton | would you know how is rkhunter working ? each day I have the message : "Warning: The file '/usr/bin/curl' exists on the system, but it is not present in the rkhunter.dat file." how can I make the file present in the rkhunter.dat file ? |
| 06:24.38 | uovobw | jarray52: did you backup the xorg config? if not, you can move out the current config file and it will try and autodetect most of the settings, giving you crappy graphics but at least something |
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| 06:26.09 | Aiox | darn it |
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| 06:26.24 | Aiox | I wish there was some sort of wget that could bypass robots.txt |
| 06:28.10 | phix | tralala: or tell sed not to replace an already replaced value / string? |
| 06:28.19 | jarray52 | uovobw: I was not previously using an xorg.conf file, and I am not using one now. I partially restored the initial state. I did this by purging everything having to do with fglrx. I went through my history and removed everything I installed. Now, I can start the xserver, but I still can't use 2 monitors. |
| 06:28.32 | jarray52 | uovobw: I was previously able to use 2 monitors. |
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| 06:29.15 | torax | Aiox: what do you mean bypass? |
| 06:30.07 | Aiox | just as it implies, that it gets over robots.txt and lets me download the images within that link. |
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| 06:30.39 | jarray52 | uovobw: Is the lack of 2 monitors due to extra drivers or lack of drivers? Or, does it have some other cause? |
| 06:32.03 | themill | Aiox: it's quite easy to do that... but the question you should be asking is this: if the admin has explicitly requested that you not recursively download lots of stuff, should I be doing it? |
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| 06:32.53 | Aiox | themill, if the site had a working dupe image searcher to spot reposts, that wouldn't be a problem, but alas, the problem is that. |
| 06:33.21 | themill | sounds like a bit of an xyproblem |
| 06:34.13 | Aiox | and google image search doesn't work that good, I have been trying to build a folder with all the images present in the site to then like, check if they are dupes, and report the newer ones. |
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| 06:35.02 | uovobw | jarray52: if you run xrandr in the noow-running xorg do you get at least two output names? ie on my machine i have LVDS1 (the laptop screen) and HDMI1 (the extenal monitor). please use pastebin when pasting |
| 06:35.25 | Aiox | using the plugin DownThemAll! for Firefox, but it's hard when you got a LOT of pages to scroll by and a max of 100 images per page, right now, they are getting close or already on the 200k posts. (sometimes it skips numbers, but not that often) |
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| 06:42.27 | themill | Aiox: as I said, you can bypass robots.txt with wget quite easily, but perhaps you should contact the admin of this site and work on either (a) better access using rsync or similar or (b) building this functionality into the site |
| 06:42.41 | boudiccas | can i use 'pyroman' with 'shorewall' or in place of 'shorewall' please? its not very clear from the packages descriptions |
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| 06:43.27 | ryan-c | Did the release signing key for wheezy change recently? |
| 06:43.54 | ryan-c | I'm getting E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 6FB2A1C265FFB764) |
| 06:44.00 | zenlunatic | maybe its 7.2 |
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| 06:51.23 | coobra | hello i want debian on sunfire v215 i have no cd... any ideas on howto get debian there |
| 06:52.24 | ryan-c | apparently my debian-archive-keyring package was out of date |
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| 06:53.13 | Kenta | Bootsble USD/external HDD, network boot, add an install parrtition to the HDD, one of those should work. |
| 06:53.18 | tralala | phix, if there's such an option I don't know it |
| 06:53.22 | Kenta | Bootable* |
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| 06:53.30 | Kenta | USB* Oh gosh the typos |
| 06:53.52 | Aiox | themill, seems it's planned, the question is, when? and they don't really respond to private messages or things like that (tried asking them the server time, or saying hello, and nothing) |
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| 06:54.58 | james41382 | In the past I have used the command: grub-install -f /dev/sdx1 to install grub to a usb drive, but it's not working for some reason now. |
| 06:55.13 | james41382 | Any ideas? |
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| 06:57.14 | somiaj | what isn't working? Are you trynig to boot the usb off another system? |
| 06:57.49 | zenlunatic | grub doesn't require a seperate partition |
| 06:58.01 | zenlunatic | just device. goes on mbr |
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| 06:59.00 | james41382 | somiaj: I ran some updates yesterday. I think one may have been for grub and it over wrote my mbr. I have truecrypt bootloader there for windows 8. So I ran the rescue for truecrypt to restore the boot loader, but then my usb wasn't working, which contains my /boot for debian |
| 06:59.30 | james41382 | I have a backup, but I was trying to fix it and it will not install grub to the partition on the usb now. done it several times in the past though. |
| 07:00.04 | somiaj | yea as zenlunatic said put it on the device mbr, not the partition. |
| 07:00.22 | james41382 | yeah the mbr for this hard drive has the truecrypt bootloader on it. |
| 07:00.28 | somiaj | and what more is not working, do you get any errors, or does it just fail to boot |
| 07:00.31 | somiaj | no the mbr of the usb drive |
| 07:00.36 | james41382 | oh i see.. |
| 07:00.37 | james41382 | lol |
| 07:00.45 | somiaj | so /dev/sdx over /dev/sdx1 |
| 07:01.03 | james41382 | so i feel really dumb right now |
| 07:01.07 | james41382 | it is rather late though.. |
| 07:01.12 | zenlunatic | no big deal |
| 07:01.13 | Aiox | hmm |
| 07:01.29 | Aiox | wonder if that other page is available to download. |
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| 07:01.59 | zenlunatic | youre not dumb for a removable /boot |
| 07:02.08 | zenlunatic | prevents rootkits |
| 07:02.15 | DANtheBEASTman | any reason I shouldn't `apt-get dist-upgrade -t wheezy-backports`? |
| 07:02.19 | james41382 | zenlunatic: that's the idea. thanks. |
| 07:02.37 | zenlunatic | james41382: you can even put your luks key on there |
| 07:02.49 | jarray52 | uovobw: I was able to resolve the issue with the open source drivers. I needed to install xserver-xorg-video-ati. Do you know if it is possible to use the proprietry fglrx-driver with 2 monitors? |
| 07:02.58 | Aiox | nope, it wasn't, damn. |
| 07:03.02 | themill | DANtheBEASTman: many -- the backports are not as carefully tested, they are not tested with each other and there's a good chance all the packages are not even co-installable |
| 07:03.24 | zenlunatic | james41382: just remember to disable dma devices in bios if youre really paranoid |
| 07:03.30 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: the backports are not tested as thourgally as wheezy proper. And there could be conflicts within there so you should only install backports of what you want/need, not just blindy update everything possible. |
| 07:03.37 | james41382 | zenlunatic: thanks again.. |
| 07:03.41 | james41382 | okay off to bed.. work and school in the morning.. |
| 07:03.44 | james41382 | night. |
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| 07:04.56 | DANtheBEASTman | i'm trying to find a good balance between stability and recent packages.. it's hard |
| 07:05.26 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: desktop system? |
| 07:05.30 | DANtheBEASTman | yep |
| 07:05.45 | themill | DANtheBEASTman: "recent packages" is not a goal in itself. A new package that adds a feature you really need or fixes a bug you really hate -- that's a goal. |
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| 07:06.16 | DANtheBEASTman | themill: wise words, I see what you mean |
| 07:06.18 | themill | DANtheBEASTman: you can «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)?installed'» to get a list of backports that might be relevant to your system. You can find out which ones are worth installin |
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| 07:07.28 | DANtheBEASTman | doing `apt-get dist-upgrade -t wheezy-backports` at least gave me a list of packages available to upgrade.. I won't upgrade them all but just the ones I know I use often |
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| 07:07.38 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: If you like to play around with the newest debian I like sid myself. But don't use it unless you are willing to learn/fix things as they arise. My desktop runs fine, but upgrades and installing new software can (and has) wasted a lot of my time fixing the bugs (: |
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| 07:08.36 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: but if you want a system that just works with out getting to play around, don't worry about newer software until you run into something you need. |
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| 07:10.47 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: though I'm a bit weary and waiting to upgrade my 450 some odd packages in sid due to not wanting to have to fix things. (: |
| 07:11.09 | DANtheBEASTman | I have ran testing and sid for a bit, but I did have issues and it was a pain, so I'm trying to stick as close to stable as I can |
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| 07:12.32 | DANtheBEASTman | I don't suppose anybody knows where I can find a .deb for vim 7.4? |
| 07:12.44 | somiaj | ,v vim |
| 07:12.45 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; jessie: 2:7.4.027-1; sid: 2:7.4.052-1 |
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| 07:13.03 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: I doubt a text edditor would be that hard to backport, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:13.18 | themill | vim often is -- I don't know whether is, actually |
| 07:13.23 | themill | +right now |
| 07:13.40 | DANtheBEASTman | it isn't in backports it's in testing.. I just don't want to compile it myself |
| 07:13.40 | somiaj | ,check-backport vim |
| 07:13.43 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 07:13.53 | themill | yeah, it's not bad right now |
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| 07:14.19 | themill | somiaj: it's all the language bindings you can write you plugins in ruby and python and whitespace etc that make it hard to backport |
| 07:14.23 | somiaj | themill: yea I tend to get suprised sometimes that things dont backport a lot of the time. |
| 07:14.41 | themill | well... it depends on people having an itch to scratch |
| 07:14.56 | somiaj | ahh yea those are features I never use so I woudln't think about them. |
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| 07:15.06 | somiaj | I use vim to edit .tex documents and text files, that is about it |
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| 07:19.03 | DANtheBEASTman | oh dear, I already have my first problem with backports.. |
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| 07:22.36 | petern_ | Hi... I have an ext4 fs with errors, running fsck it asks to clone multiply-claimed blocks. I say yes, and then it appears to hang... |
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| 07:23.28 | uovobw | jarray52: nvidia user here, so no idea. if you are able to get the control panel to work you might be able to...i xrandr returning anything useful with fglrx? |
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| 07:25.03 | mumpitzel | petern_: is this your system partition? |
| 07:25.15 | petern_ | No, it's not. |
| 07:25.20 | auxy_phone | hi mumpitzel |
| 07:25.33 | mumpitzel | petern_: unmount it and then fsck |
| 07:25.42 | petern_ | It's not mounted. |
| 07:25.52 | hoverboard | any Australians around? |
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| 07:26.05 | mumpitzel | then it should work. maybe check the hardware with smartctl? |
| 07:26.38 | mumpitzel | auxy_phone: you run debian on your phone? |
| 07:26.54 | auxy_phone | hehe, no |
| 07:27.12 | auxy_phone | I'm trying to set up a debian home gateway/server thingy, and I've been taking my home internet up and down a lot |
| 07:27.16 | auxy_phone | so I'm here on my phone, since it has its own 3G connection |
| 07:27.41 | petern_ | No errors showing in smart (I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything) |
| 07:27.54 | petern_ | No errors in dmesg, and no drive activity after confirming yes. |
| 07:27.56 | mumpitzel | there is an easy way to do it if you use ipmasq from lenny (ancient but works fine) |
| 07:28.14 | mumpitzel | petern_: you need to run a long smart test which tests every sector on disk and takes around 2 hours usually |
| 07:28.52 | mumpitzel | auxy_phone: are you using dnsmasq? |
| 07:28.56 | auxy_phone | yes |
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| 07:29.55 | auxy_phone | yes mumpitzel |
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| 07:30.56 | mumpitzel | auxy_phone: for a quick+dirty but working NAT: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/i/ipmasq/ipmasq_4.0.8-7_all.deb |
| 07:31.11 | petern_ | 165 minutes >( |
| 07:31.15 | auxy_phone | ah, I think I'm pretty close to a relatively clean solution with just iptables |
| 07:31.17 | auxy_phone | I'm reading docs right now |
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| 07:32.35 | petern_ | Oh, also some of the blocks are inside a 350GB file, might that be giving fsck problems? |
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| 07:47.13 | jarray52 | uovobw: When using fglrx, I was able to run xrandr. 1 monitor works fine, and the other monitor is there in xrandr. I just can't seem to use it. Here is the pastebin of xrandr output. http://pastebin.com/ng9ar0mX |
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| 07:50.49 | uovobw | jarray52: if you issue the command xrandr --output DFP2 --mode 1280x720 --below DFP3 what do you get? |
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| 07:52.55 | jarray52 | uovobw: That gives me functional dual monitors. Not the ideal resolution, but close. |
| 07:53.56 | jarray52 | uovobw: thanks for the help. That was quite helpful. |
| 07:54.59 | uovobw | jarray52: xrandr rocks :) you can change the resolution https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xrandr (yes, this is debian, but ArchLinux howtos are better in many cases, sue me :D ) |
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| 07:56.29 | jarray52 | uovobw: I often use Gentoo how tos. I'll check that out. xrandr works, but oddly the KDE display settings tool doesn't work properly in this case. |
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| 07:57.14 | uovobw | jarray52: probably there are some pieces of fglrx that are intruding...no idea about kde, sorry, i use awesome |
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| 08:08.42 | boudiccas | every time that i start 'knode' to read my newsgroups in gmane i get this error message - 'The process for the nntp://news.gmane.org protocol died unexpectedly.' how can i get round it please? |
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| 08:10.39 | mumpitzel | start knode in an xterm, maybe it writes some error message(s) there? |
| 08:10.59 | patriku | boudiccas: I have never used knode, by you need to chceck some specific log in this case. See man knode to find out where it keeps a log. |
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| 08:11.31 | patriku | boudiccas: or as mumpitzel said and most of the applications has a debug mode. |
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| 08:11.43 | mzo | would a 12.04 32 bit executable run on Debian Testing? |
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| 08:12.06 | mumpitzel | mzo: probably, depends on the executable. very unsupported of course |
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| 08:14.35 | mzo | hm ok :( |
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| 08:17.08 | boudiccas | mumpitzel; thanks for this, heres what it shows - 'http://paste.debian.net/58741/' |
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| 08:26.02 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: i see only one line which looks like network related: line 28. but it's not helpful. maybe try to use different newsservers? do the others work? |
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| 08:29.04 | boudiccas | mumpitzel; afaik they are the only ones set up for debian etc. but, i will try rebooting, which will also test out my new firewall, see if that comes up, and if it restarts the protocol process. Thanks |
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| 08:46.41 | boudiccas | mumpitzel; rebooting sorted it, it obviously needed restarting |
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| 08:49.02 | ntg-work | Anyone else having issues installing nvidia drivers for a 660M? http://paste.debian.net/58750/ |
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| 08:49.26 | ntg-work | I've tried 304 and 319 both giving the same result |
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| 08:51.05 | mumpitzel | ntg-work: welcome to nvidia optimus |
| 08:51.33 | ntg-work | mumpitzel: hah, I had it working on my mint installation |
| 08:52.06 | ntg-work | mumpitzel: and that was pretty straightforward, install 310 or 314 drivers, then get bumblebee and tell them to use those. |
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| 09:09.53 | Sevet | does anyone know why /sbin/rpc.statd binds to port 655, which is officially assigned by iana to tinc? |
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| 09:18.03 | petern_ | portmapper should allocate a random port to it |
| 09:18.07 | petern_ | but not usually < 1024 |
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| 09:26.43 | Sevet | petern_: yea it is dynamic as far as i can tell... but have hit it getting assigned 655 after 8 reboots now... *shrug* i'm not actually using nfs so i've uninstalled it now, now that i've figured out it's part of nfs |
| 09:27.03 | Sevet | not every reboot, but most... which is weird |
| 09:27.15 | Sevet | looks at his PRNG suspiciously |
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| 09:31.40 | boudiccas | i'm trying to compile emacs24, and when configuring it, i get this error report - 'http://paste.debian.net/58764/' . what x files does it need please, when checking 'apt-cache search x development libraries' it doesn't specify anyones |
| 09:31.49 | imdea | Hi, I have a Debian Wheezy box with LDAP/PAM configuration, and I'm unable to use sudo. I've searched in Google and found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658896 but it seems that the solution is to install some third-party package for amd64? in my case I'm not using x86_64 what can I do? |
| 09:32.03 | petern_ | Sevet, NSA must be controlling it... |
| 09:32.41 | themill | boudiccas: what release of debian are you using now? |
| 09:32.50 | boudiccas | themill; wheezy |
| 09:33.20 | themill | you realise that most/all the debian packages that ship .el files are incompatible with emacs24, don't you? |
| 09:33.47 | boudiccas | yes, i'm already getting emacs23 ones |
| 09:34.26 | Sevet | boudiccas: libx11-dev perhaps |
| 09:34.46 | boudiccas | ah, thanks Sevet |
| 09:34.59 | Sevet | or xorg-dev |
| 09:35.12 | Sevet | which depends on that and a lot of other stuff (may be overkill) |
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| 09:36.53 | sdf4 | Getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies: weechat-plugins : Depends: weechat-curses (= 0.4.1-2~bpo70+1) but 0.4.2-2 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." |
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| 09:37.18 | sdf4 | When running "sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install weechat-plugins" |
| 09:37.24 | sdf4 | Any ideas? |
| 09:37.41 | sdf4 | I have the backports of weechat-core and weechat-curses installed already |
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| 09:42.22 | sdf4 | Getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies: weechat-plugins : Depends: weechat-curses (= 0.4.1-2~bpo70+1) but 0.4.2-2 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." after running When running "sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install weechat-plugins" |
| 09:46.05 | themill | sdf4: try using aptituds instead |
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| 09:46.32 | themill | boudiccas: looking at the build-dependencies for the debian package might be useful |
| 09:46.58 | ViennaL | is there any chance that an dist-upgrade from lenny to jessie will work on a server machine? (i686) |
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| 09:47.24 | ViennaL | i think there changed a lot since lenny |
| 09:47.27 | themill | ViennaL: you need to upgrade to squeeze and wheezy first. And jessie isn't great for a server |
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| 09:47.54 | ViennaL | themill: I just need some packages from jenny |
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| 09:48.14 | ViennaL | themill: so you would say that I shouldn't skip versions? --- and always go +1 ? |
| 09:48.29 | sdf4 | themill: That returns the following: http://pastebin.com/XncXVt5f. Should I proceed? |
| 09:48.34 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: not "shouldn't" but "must not" |
| 09:48.59 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: and you need to either use existing backports or create your own from jessie |
| 09:49.39 | tirengarfio | Hi, when running "sudo apt-get upgrade php5", I get this "Failed to fetch http://debian.di.newdream.net/dists/squeeze/ndn/binary-amd64/libjson-perl_2.59-2_all.deb Hash Sum mismatch E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?" So I run "sudo apt-get update --fix-missing", and then "apt-get upgrade php5" but I get the same error message |
| 09:50.07 | sdf4 | themill: and "weechat-curses 0.4.1-2~bpo70+1" should be installed, not "0.4.2-2", since I installed the backport |
| 09:50.40 | themill | ViennaL: you can't skip versions in the upgrade at all. wheezy packages use features that a lenny dpkg would barf at etc |
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| 09:51.08 | themill | sdf4: it's nice to include the command that generated the output as well btw |
| 09:51.21 | ViennaL | themill: ah okay thank you - so first I will have to go to squeezy |
| 09:51.37 | boudiccas | themill; i'm now trying the snapshot packages from 'deb http://emacs.naquadah.org/ stable/' |
| 09:51.58 | sdf4 | themill: The command you told me to use "sud"o aptitude -t wheezy-backports install weechat-plugins |
| 09:52.02 | sdf4 | "sudo aptitude -t wheezy-backports install weechat-plugins"* |
| 09:52.12 | themill | ViennaL: the upgrade through each release is certainly possible; at some stage it's easier to do a reinstall when you're that far behind. I still wouuldn't recommend jessie for a server |
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| 09:53.12 | ViennaL | themill: the plan was to install only a few libs that I need from jessie … but all those libs depend on newer versions of libc etc |
| 09:53.22 | themill | sdf4: you seem to have a weechat-curses package from sid there. It shouldn't be on a wheezy system. What's the output of "apt-cache policy weechat-curses; apt-cache policy" |
| 09:53.24 | tirengarfio | any help? |
| 09:53.32 | themill | ViennaL: yeah, that's really not a great plan |
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| 09:54.08 | ViennaL | but I need libOgre and newer Boost versions to run a program on the server |
| 09:54.30 | sdf4 | themill: Nevermind mate, aptitude asked me if I wanted to downgrade :) Not sure why it was on the sid version |
| 09:54.32 | sdf4 | thanks |
| 09:54.37 | tirengarfio | here is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/kWu6qXhG |
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| 09:58.42 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: use a different debian repository then for your squeez main repo |
| 09:59.11 | mumpitzel | !tell tirengarfio about squeeze sources.list |
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| 10:00.15 | tirengarfio | where can I get it that different debian repository? can you give me more details? |
| 10:00.26 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: dpkg just messaged you with them |
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| 10:01.56 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, I have run "dpkg" but it says that needs an action option. |
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| 10:02.14 | Guest49517 | hellp |
| 10:02.17 | Guest49517 | *hello |
| 10:02.25 | ViennaL | themill: net scripts vs. ifupdown - which one do I want? |
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| 10:02.44 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: you got a message here on irc from some bot named dpkg. |
| 10:02.45 | Guest49517 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.36 | tirengarfio | Ok, I see it now, I going to try it |
| 10:04.00 | mumpitzel | Guest49517: netstat ? |
| 10:04.52 | Guest49517 | mumpitzel: argh, I was blocked on this for 30 minutes ^_^" thanks |
| 10:06.21 | Guest49517 | mumpitzel: do you know how I could cat/tail the content of this file? lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Oct 17 10:40 /proc/11806/fd/3 -> socket:[73868840] |
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| 10:07.09 | mumpitzel | either tail -f or tcpdump |
| 10:07.27 | Guest49517 | mumpitzel: (because I am wondering if the other server didn"t close the connection and mine would still have it in its open file list somehow) |
| 10:08.37 | Guest49517 | mumpitzel: I tried tail -f, it didn't work : tail: cannot open `/proc/11806/fd/3' for reading: No such device or address |
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| 10:09.46 | Guest49517 | mumpitzel: what I am wondering is : how to access socket:[73868840] (because if it is hanged on a __read_nocancel, I guess there is no data coming its way) |
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| 10:18.53 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, apart from the lines that you told me, I have followed this tutorial: http://davejamesmiller.com/blog/installing-php-5-4-on-debian-6-squeeze but I still get php 5.2.17 when I run php -v |
| 10:18.57 | tirengarfio | any idea? |
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| 10:20.58 | flurry | Hello all! |
| 10:21.35 | mumpitzel | !tell tirengarfio about dotdeb |
| 10:21.42 | mumpitzel | ,v php5 |
| 10:21.48 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; jessie: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.4+dfsg-1 |
| 10:22.37 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: you can't get php 5.2.17 frnm debian: squeeze has php 5.3. if you want 5.4, upgrade to current debian stable |
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| 10:24.43 | boudiccas | how can i restore from roots trash please? |
| 10:25.08 | bhuddah | which trash? |
| 10:25.13 | boudiccas | roots |
| 10:25.36 | bhuddah | what do you mean by "trash", boudiccas ? |
| 10:25.47 | boudiccas | trash can, rubbish |
| 10:25.55 | boudiccas | wastebin |
| 10:26.22 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, it is for sure that when I run php -v I get php 5.2.17 |
| 10:26.27 | bhuddah | kde, gnome? which trash, boudiccas ? |
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| 10:26.39 | boudiccas | bhuddah; fluxbox |
| 10:26.42 | tirengarfio | how can I upgrade to debian stable? |
| 10:26.44 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: and it is for equally sure that there is no 5.2.17 in debian squeeze |
| 10:26.52 | tirengarfio | hmg |
| 10:26.55 | tirengarfio | omg |
| 10:26.56 | boudiccas | bhuddah; roots trash in fluxbox |
| 10:27.05 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: can you give us the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" ? |
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| 10:27.15 | sumit_ | how can we access the net from my board having wlan0 wifi interface to the pc through usb0 interface using iptables? |
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| 10:27.32 | mumpitzel | smue: with NAT |
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| 10:28.03 | sumit_ | i'm a newbie, how can we configure NAT |
| 10:28.10 | bhuddah | boudiccas: sorry, i have no idea how fluxbox works. |
| 10:28.28 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, ii libc6 2.11.3-4 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:28.48 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: and "which php"? |
| 10:28.59 | tirengarfio | /usr/local/bin/php |
| 10:29.17 | mumpitzel | you didn't install debian php but some self rolled stuff. this is why it's only 5.2 |
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| 10:29.38 | mumpitzel | delete this php and use debian packages only. |
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| 10:29.46 | mumpitzel | !tell tirengarfio about squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:29.56 | mumpitzel | dpkg just wrote you how to upgrade to debian stable |
| 10:29.57 | dpkg | mumpitzel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 10:31.25 | tirengarfio | how did you know that I have installed "some self rolled stuff"? |
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| 10:40.16 | quinso | If I tried to backport a package from jessie to wheezy and apt-get decided all required dependencies had been resolved but it failed to compile, should I report that as bug? |
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| 10:42.48 | mumpitzel | only a bug against the jessie version. depending on the compile time error |
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| 10:44.00 | Sevet | tirengarfio: because it was in /usr/local/ |
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| 10:45.42 | Sevet | quinso: depends on the error, the older dependancies might be missing some functionality in the older versions you have on wheezy. you might need specific minimum versions for the dependancies and install those from backports too. or patch the package so it can work with the older copies. |
| 10:46.10 | Sevet | quinso: almost certainly it's not a bug, but extra work for you as the backporter |
| 10:46.44 | mumpitzel | Sevet: if the dependendencies are fulfilled it's supposed to compile. if it doesn't due to them then the dependencies noted are wrong which is a bug |
| 10:48.10 | quinso | Sevet: but if that functionality is missing in older versions of libraries then it needs to be said so by dependencies. |
| 10:48.26 | quinso | yeah pretty much what mumpitzel said |
| 10:48.26 | tirengarfio | Sevet, thanks, can you give me more details? |
| 10:48.40 | tirengarfio | where the normal packages are usually installed? |
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| 10:49.26 | Sevet | quinso: if they're met under jessie then jessie doesn't really need to... if they're too old in wheezy then as i said -you- add them as the backporter and then use backports to meet them |
| 10:49.34 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: debian doesn't install any packages under /usr/local. packages are installed how FHS demands |
| 10:49.37 | mumpitzel | !tell tirengarfio about FHS |
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| 10:50.28 | Sevet | tirengarfio: php's binary from packages is normally /usr/bin/php while from source would be /usr/local/bin/php. not a good idea to try to install to /usr/bin/ yourself as you might break packages |
| 10:50.35 | mumpitzel | Sevet: wrong. either the dependencies listed are right, then it compiles when you fulfill them or they are wrong and the even possibly old libs don't work (but are specified). this would mean a bad dependency list, which is a bug |
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| 10:51.17 | mumpitzel | Sevet: it's irrelevant what libraries jessie has. all that matters is what the package specifies are libraries |
| 10:51.47 | mumpitzel | Sevet: there are tons of >=, or < in dependencies for a very good reason |
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| 10:58.20 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, I have followed the instructions you sent me to upgrade to wheezy, but Im getting this error after apt-get dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/hq9skG5e |
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| 10:59.12 | tirengarfio | this is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/vBrSbuJ9 |
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| 10:59.39 | tirengarfio | I run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:00.33 | rozie | tirengarfio: try apt-get upgrade first |
| 11:00.55 | themill | tirengarfio: is your /tmp mounted noexec? |
| 11:00.56 | rozie | but it looks *strange* |
| 11:01.14 | rozie | never seen this in pure Debian installation |
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| 11:01.40 | tirengarfio | this is the output after apt-get upgrade now: http://pastebin.com/3ZqGwn9Q |
| 11:01.42 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: have you run a full upgrade to be fully up to date in squeeze first? |
| 11:01.57 | themill | tirengarfio: what's the output of "mount"? |
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| 11:02.22 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, http://pastebin.com/p9wV2cVf |
| 11:02.40 | themill | none on /tmp type tmpfs (size=128m,mode=1777,nosuid,noexec,nodev) |
| 11:02.43 | themill | !win me |
| 11:02.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 11:02.59 | rozie | :-) |
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| 11:04.58 | tirengarfio | so? |
| 11:05.06 | tirengarfio | what is my problem? |
| 11:05.11 | themill | you need to remount /tmp without noexec |
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| 11:05.35 | themill | dselect: tmp noexec |
| 11:05.35 | dselect | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
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| 11:07.23 | tirengarfio | themill, this is the output: sudo echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 11:07.23 | tirengarfio | -bash: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec: Permission denied |
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| 11:07.36 | themill | no, you can't just use sudo like htat |
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| 11:07.59 | themill | dpkg: tell tirengarfio about sudo redirection |
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| 11:09.38 | tirengarfio | ok |
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| 11:09.58 | tirengarfio | after that, should I apt-get upgrade? or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:10.42 | themill | if you can convince apt to do an upgrade first then that can make the process simpler |
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| 11:14.02 | tirengarfio | themill, now I get this after running apt-get dist-upgrade: E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Pre-Invoke 'mount -o remount,exec /tmp' |
| 11:15.53 | themill | tirengarfio: what does running "mount -o remount,exec /tmp" do? |
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| 11:17.05 | tirengarfio | well im reading this: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Debian Maybe I can not upgrade to wheezy.. what do you think? |
| 11:17.21 | tirengarfio | im in a vps |
| 11:17.28 | tirengarfio | (virtual private server) |
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| 11:23.31 | tirengarfio | no words? |
| 11:24.02 | tirengarfio | themill I get this: root@ps215557:~# mount -o remount,exec /tmp mount: permission denied |
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| 11:27.31 | quinso | Is it possible to build package with "apt-get source -b packagename" parallelising it on all of my cores? |
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| 11:29.41 | mumpitzel | quinso: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4778389/makefile-automatically-setting-jobs-j-flag-for-a-multicore-machine |
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| 11:42.34 | flurry | I have a problem with iptables and proftpd, when the firewall is up the ftp connection doesn't works. My iptables rules: http://pastebin.com/xf57TVF4 |
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| 11:47.35 | flurry | Can anyone help me with this problem? I have a problem with iptables and proftpd, when the firewall is up the ftp connection doesn't works. My iptables rules: http://pastebin.com/xf57TVF4 |
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| 11:49.51 | boulet101010 | hi, i'm trying to install debian 7 via usb stick. to create the install i used the "dd" method, that didn't worked (was looking for a cd drive) and the "zcat" method with the hd-media image, that also didn't worked because it couldn't find any iso. |
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| 11:50.38 | workingcats | hello, i'm trying to set the domain name on a debian sarge (yes, 3.1. don't ask..) but it always forgets it after reboot, any hints? i tried setting it with domainname newname.tld, and it was already set in /etc/defaultdomain |
| 11:51.22 | boulet101010 | i tried to mount the usb key via busybox, but it seems that neither /dev/sda, neither /dev/sdb existed. the mother board is gigabyte 970A-DS3P, and the iso i used is 7.2 ddl'd yesterday. |
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| 11:52.00 | jelly | workingcats: /etc/hosts should have a line with the static ip, the fqdn, and the short hostname in it. |
| 11:52.07 | Sevet_ | flurry: check nf_conntrack_ftp is loaded with lsmod |
| 11:52.10 | jelly | !tell workingcats about hostname |
| 11:52.50 | jelly | workingcats: then the boot process will read the shortname from /etc/hostname and apply the matching /etc/hosts line |
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| 11:53.16 | workingcats | jelly, hostname works, the domainname doesnt. but i dont think the fqdn is in /etc/hosts so i'll try that |
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| 11:53.19 | x-s4nd3r | I recently downloaded a .flv video, and it's audio is out of sync, how can I fix this? |
| 11:53.32 | flurry | Sevet_: how can I check this? I'm on VPS with 2.6.32-042stab079.6 #1 SMP Mon Aug 26 19:47:50 MSK 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:54.08 | workingcats | rebooting |
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| 11:54.44 | Sevet | flurry: 'lsmod | grep nf_conntrack_ftp' |
| 11:54.50 | flurry | Sevet_: the result of "lsmod" command: Module Size Used by |
| 11:55.05 | Sevet | if missing try 'modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp' |
| 11:55.30 | Sevet | that module is how it'll spot the RELATED connections for the ftp connections |
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| 11:56.54 | flurry | Sevet: modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp command result: ibkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:505 kmod_lookup_alias_from_builtin_file: could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab079.6/modules.builtin.bin' |
| 11:56.54 | flurry | FATAL: Module nf_conntrack_ftp not found. |
| 11:56.54 | boulet101010 | any idea? |
| 11:57.49 | workingcats | jelly, no luck unfortunately |
| 11:58.06 | workingcats | the line in hosts is "172.19.2.24 btwork4 btwork4.zdmain" |
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| 12:00.15 | Sevet | flurry: um... is that debian? |
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| 12:00.39 | flurry | Sevet: Debian 7.1 on VPS |
| 12:00.59 | Sevet | flurry: google suggests 2.6.32-042stab079.6 is redhat and that it might be openvz container related, which means you won't have control over the modules you can load into the kernel |
| 12:01.10 | rozie | flurry: contact VPS provider. this is paravirtualisation and additional permitions are required (called capabilities) |
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| 12:01.36 | Kenta | Xen doesn't have that limitation (I think) |
| 12:01.40 | rozie | or module must be loaded on host, not vps |
| 12:01.43 | Sevet | ok perhaps not the redhat part from google, but the openvz part still seems valid... |
| 12:01.57 | rozie | Sevet: it may be Debian |
| 12:02.03 | workingcats | openvz has one kernel for host+VMs |
| 12:02.12 | workingcats | so the VMs can't load modules afaik |
| 12:02.24 | Sevet | Kenta, rozie: openvz is containers within the hosts jail instead of emulating the full hardware, so guests don't run their own kernel |
| 12:02.25 | workingcats | *quite* sure, but wouldn't bet my life on it |
| 12:02.34 | rozie | Sevet: exatly |
| 12:02.39 | flurry | Sevet: of which modules I need for ftp connection? |
| 12:02.54 | Sevet | flurry: i think you need to speak to your host |
| 12:03.01 | rozie | flurry: you cannot load _any_ module on paravirtualised VPS |
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| 12:03.02 | flurry | Sevet: ip_conntrack_ftp? |
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| 12:03.17 | mumpitzel | flurry: you cannot load _any_ module. you don't have any power over your kernel |
| 12:03.18 | flurry | rozie: ok, how can I solve? |
| 12:03.21 | workingcats | rozie, not on openvz ;) |
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| 12:03.28 | mumpitzel | flurry: what do you need ftp for? |
| 12:03.40 | x-s4nd3r | my system consumes 250MB at startup, how can I fix this shit |
| 12:03.42 | workingcats | flurry, tell your hoster to load the module |
| 12:03.52 | flurry | my server on VPS is a webserver, and I need upload files |
| 12:03.53 | rozie | flurry: module must be loaded on main host (hypervisor) |
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| 12:04.01 | mumpitzel | x-s4nd3r: run top, press "M" and check what uses most |
| 12:04.03 | Sevet | flurry: you could try explicitly allowing port 20 and that might for for ftp in one mode, or use something like sftp instead |
| 12:04.05 | workingcats | flurry, what does that have to do with iptables modules for FTP? |
| 12:04.07 | rozie | you don't need module to load files... |
| 12:04.08 | mumpitzel | flurry: use sftp |
| 12:04.27 | flurry | yes I want use sftp |
| 12:04.32 | workingcats | and yeah, *never* use ftp, unless you truly intend to share all data AND the password with everyone along the way |
| 12:04.34 | Sevet | ftp isn't secure anyway, sftp would be better if it's for your own access |
| 12:04.40 | workingcats | sftp has nothing to do with ftp |
| 12:04.44 | flurry | with RSA key |
| 12:04.45 | mumpitzel | then you don't load any ftp modules. sftp is purely run via ssh servers |
| 12:04.47 | Sevet | anonymous ftp is the only time i'd suggest ftp |
| 12:05.06 | workingcats | so you dont need that module |
| 12:05.39 | mumpitzel | flurry: if your ssh server is running and works, you can use sftp |
| 12:05.44 | flurry | then with sftp can I solve? |
| 12:05.56 | workingcats | there's nothing to solve. it should work already |
| 12:05.59 | mumpitzel | flurry: just use any sftp client |
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| 12:06.18 | workingcats | if you can ssh to the machine you can probably sftp to it, too |
| 12:06.18 | flurry | Perfect! I will use sftp with rsa key with filezilla client |
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| 12:06.42 | workingcats | be careful not to accidentally install the adware they distribute with filezilla |
| 12:06.57 | flurry | workingcats: ok :) |
| 12:07.01 | mumpitzel | they do now? argh :( |
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| 12:07.11 | workingcats | sourceforge started this as opt-in for projects |
| 12:07.29 | workingcats | seems projects even get to decide what "extras" they are ok with including |
| 12:07.57 | workingcats | filezilla said they will not allow anything with outright lies. they allowed something that claims to magically turn http into https, with any server, with client-side changes only... |
| 12:08.02 | flurry | I will the this solution. With sftp, wich port I need open on iptables? |
| 12:08.08 | workingcats | flurry, 22 |
| 12:08.13 | flurry | only ssh port? |
| 12:08.19 | workingcats | yep |
| 12:08.25 | flurry | ok |
| 12:08.28 | mumpitzel | flurry: if your ssh client works, then sftp will too. nothing else needed |
| 12:08.52 | workingcats | mumpitzel, i think it's turn-offable in sshd_config |
| 12:08.54 | flurry | ok, I use only ssh for connect to my VPS |
| 12:08.56 | workingcats | but lets try first |
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| 12:09.09 | mumpitzel | it is, but by default it's on in debian IIRC |
| 12:10.51 | flurry | ok, I will try. Thanks! I will post the results asap |
| 12:11.19 | Sevet | workingcats: it is. but if he can ssh in with root he can always enable it if it's off |
| 12:11.28 | workingcats | Sevet, yep |
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| 12:12.01 | flurry | yes, I will disable the root login for ssh, I added a user for connect |
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| 12:13.36 | Sevet | flurry: good idea (there's an option i use that bans root by password but still lets you in with a ssh key)... but i didn't mean directly, you can become root once in with su / sudo :) |
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| 12:16.03 | sumit | hello, i have created a ne bridge br0 to connect the wlan0 and the usb0, getting into the error wlan0:CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECT bssid:<....> reason=2 |
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| 12:18.52 | tirengarfio | Im trying to update to wheezy in my hosting server, but Im having problems. This is my output: http://pastebin.com/21xznTjN |
| 12:19.41 | mumpitzel | !tell tirengarfio about kept back |
| 12:20.00 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: you didn't read the factoid about upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
| 12:20.19 | tirengarfio | This is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/KRNR63G4 |
| 12:20.29 | mumpitzel | that's nice but doesn't matter. do a dist-upgrade |
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| 12:21.33 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, thanks for your help, after dist-upgrade I get: http://pastebin.com/XhLAUEbn |
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| 12:22.08 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: so your /tmp is still mounted noexec? |
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| 12:23.46 | tirengarfio | it seems yes: http://pastebin.com/EwYdeZLj |
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| 12:24.01 | mumpitzel | then remount it properly exec as you've been told |
| 12:24.03 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know a nice mameui simialr to mame32? |
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| 12:25.15 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, using echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec ? |
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| 12:25.56 | mumpitzel | yes. as ROOT. not via sudo |
| 12:26.10 | mumpitzel | or just mount it exec right now |
| 12:26.23 | tirengarfio | I have just run it |
| 12:26.52 | tirengarfio | this is the output of mount now: http://pastebin.com/gb84EvYB |
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| 12:27.21 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: remount it YOURSELF. RIGHT NOW! |
| 12:27.40 | tirengarfio | sorry.. but how? |
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| 12:28.15 | tirengarfio | I have run as you said this: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 12:28.17 | uovobw | i had a working wheezy vm, i upgraded it to unstable (due to $tests) and now when i login (via ssh key) i get a "Connection to <host> closed" right affter the banner...ideas? |
| 12:28.41 | tirengarfio | I understand that is for remount |
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| 12:31.25 | z302 | whats the actual use of debian source dvd isos? |
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| 12:32.03 | Iridos | z302, just as a guess... to comply with GPL? |
| 12:32.55 | z302 | Iridos, so, no real-world usage, right? what uses require to have the sources for *all* debian packages at once? |
| 12:33.46 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, any opinio? Im not an advance user but I think Im using all the steps you said |
| 12:33.49 | ViennaL | themill: Hi, can i dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze when I am using /dev/mapper/debian-lvm01 mounted to / |
| 12:33.53 | Iridos | are you saying complying with license terms is not a real-world thing? :) |
| 12:33.55 | themill | z302: compliance with legal requirements is pretty real world. But unless you're going to a desert island, you don't need them. |
| 12:34.19 | themill | tirengarfio: did you try manually remounting (not via the dpkg hook) |
| 12:34.20 | ViennaL | themill: vgs gives me 1 group |
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| 12:34.41 | themill | ViennaL: I can't imagine why not |
| 12:34.52 | z302 | themill, I didn't intend to down-play the importance of GPL\legal requirement side :) I was only wondering if there was some use case that I kept missing for which an user might need the whole source dvd set |
| 12:34.57 | tirengarfio | themill, no, I dont know how to do it manually.. |
| 12:35.01 | ViennaL | themill: is ist a software raid? hardware raid? … how can I know what lies behind this |
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| 12:35.19 | ViennaL | themill: I think the kernel at the moment is a stock kernel.... |
| 12:35.45 | ViennaL | themill: uname tells me: 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 12:35.45 | themill | I don't touch raid with a barge poll. |
| 12:35.47 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: the mount command used, you pasted yourself anove |
| 12:35.49 | mumpitzel | *above |
| 12:36.01 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: wasn't lenny 2.6.26? |
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| 12:36.12 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, yes, I have run that command |
| 12:36.21 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: I guess I am not up to date with my kernel?! |
| 12:36.29 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: it is a very old server |
| 12:36.32 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: not the full command. that is not a command starting with "mount", is it? |
| 12:36.48 | tirengarfio | you mean I have to run "mount -o remount, exec /tmp" ? |
| 12:36.53 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: imho lenny always shipped with 2.6.26. maybe you have a testing debian from when lenny was testing? |
| 12:37.14 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: I don't think so but that is not the question right now |
| 12:37.15 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: careful with the spaces |
| 12:37.26 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: the question is … can I dist-upgrade |
| 12:37.42 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: when I don't know what my LVM is |
| 12:38.00 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: /dev/mapper/debian-lvm01 mounted to / |
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| 12:38.26 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: it is the question right now cause you certainly cannot upgrade from a unknown debian version to anything else. and yes, you definitely don't run a debian lenny kernel: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 12:38.36 | bael | - |
| 12:38.40 | mumpitzel | so upgrade to proper lenny first |
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| 12:39.04 | tirengarfio | mumpitzel, this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/uPbXCWNh |
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| 12:40.09 | mumpitzel | tirengarfio: can you unmount /tmp? are you in a VPS? |
| 12:40.50 | tirengarfio | yes, im in a vps. what is the command to unmount /tmp? |
| 12:41.11 | themill | you should be able to export TMPDIR=/some/other/path and then run apt, but it concerns me that you can't remount /tmp to begin with |
| 12:41.13 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: if I have lenny main in my sources.list and I say apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade .. everything is up to date |
| 12:41.14 | tirengarfio | wait |
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| 12:41.21 | mumpitzel | man umount |
| 12:41.39 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: you kernel still isn't |
| 12:41.45 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: ahhh .. but in /boot are 2.6.26 kernel files lying around |
| 12:43.12 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: and there are config files for kernel compilation lying around - is this normal or did someone build a custom kernel on this mashine? |
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| 12:44.57 | bael | How do I install this on my debian machine: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek Do I have to add something in the apt-conf files or? |
| 12:45.21 | mumpitzel | !teöö bael about backports |
| 12:45.53 | mumpitzel | bael: http://backports.debian.org/ since dpkg is AWOL |
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| 12:46.08 | themill | dpkg, greet mumpitzel |
| 12:46.09 | dpkg | Hello, mumpitzel |
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| 12:47.12 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: will a dist-upgrade REPLACE my old kernel? will I be able to boot? (because of lvm, dm_mod etc) |
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| 12:47.21 | jumperswitch | When issuing lxc-console on a running lxc system container, the resulting console yields no prompt, it is simply blank. |
| 12:47.25 | jumperswitch | So what is missing here? |
| 12:47.34 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: it probably will depending how you installed it,yes |
| 12:47.35 | jumperswitch | I want a login prompt in order to access the lxc contained system. |
| 12:47.49 | jumperswitch | The lxc system container has been created using lxc-create with the debian wheezy template. |
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| 12:50.08 | bael | mumixam: whats the diffrence between wheezy and squeeze? Which should I select? |
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| 12:50.58 | mumpitzel | bael: which debian version are you running? cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:51.31 | mumpitzel | you run use wheezy-backports if you run wheezy. squeeze otherwise |
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| 12:52.53 | bael | mumpitzel: 7.2 |
| 12:53.27 | raz0 | is there any way to get a wheezy netinst ISO, only with a newer kernel (so that my netowrk hardware is supported)? |
| 12:53.46 | raz0 | I mean, I could use jeezy ISO, but I don't really want to run testing |
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| 12:54.22 | mumpitzel | raz0: no. you can get a newer kernel for wheezy after install via backports however (3.10) |
| 12:54.36 | mumpitzel | raz0: you do not need a network connection to install debian via netsint either |
| 12:54.37 | raz0 | mumpitzel: yeah, but that won't work for netinst :( |
| 12:54.46 | mumpitzel | no network connection needed. it does work |
| 12:54.52 | themill | the netinst doesn't require a working network connection |
| 12:54.54 | dep_ | i have i pcap file i want to know how many package we have collected from different protocols, what kind of program should i use to find this numbers? |
| 12:55.31 | ViennaL | how can I find out where /dev/sda is connected -- to what hardware |
| 12:55.36 | raz0 | themill: oh? so I just need to download a newer kernel from backports afterwards? transer with USB I guess? |
| 12:55.51 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: which hardware do you mean? what answer do you expect? |
| 12:55.55 | themill | raz0: yeah. You'd also need initramfs-tools and any firmware packages. |
| 12:55.58 | raz0 | heh, talk about a misnomer if netinst doesn't require network :P |
| 12:56.07 | mumpitzel | raz0: initramfs-tools too. it's a dependency of the newer kernel |
| 12:56.11 | raz0 | I see |
| 12:56.20 | raz0 | ok, I'll try that |
| 12:56.24 | themill | raz0: just don't tick anything other than "standard task" at the tasksel stage |
| 12:56.35 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: things like … ICH7 SATA port or "Raid controller bla" |
| 12:56.58 | raz0 | right! thanks a lot |
| 12:57.05 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: I want to inspect my hardware somehow ... |
| 12:57.32 | mumpitzel | lspci -nn for a start. dmesg too |
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| 12:59.21 | themill | ViennaL: lshw might work |
| 13:01.29 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: thx … SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1064 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS |
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| 13:01.53 | ViennaL | and how do I find out if this controller is supported by a stock 2.6.26 kernel = |
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| 13:04.30 | mumpitzel | if it's supported by 2.6.22 it will be by 2.6.26 too |
| 13:04.45 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: what is the pci id? |
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| 13:05.13 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: 05:01.0 |
| 13:05.49 | mumpitzel | that's no pci id. lspci -nn |
| 13:06.00 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: it CAN BE that I am using a patched / self compiled kernel right now … so I can't assume that it will work on a higher kernel |
| 13:06.23 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: 05:01.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1064 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS [1000:0050] (rev 02) |
| 13:06.24 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: the number is from debian, so I doubt it. and LSI is not exactly exotic either |
| 13:06.32 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 1000:0050 |
| 13:06.32 | judd | [1000:0050] is 'SAS1064 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS' from 'LSI Logic / Symbios Logic' with kernel module 'mptsas' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1000:0050 http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
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| 13:07.02 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1000:0050 supported since 2.6.25 |
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| 13:08.00 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: cool thank you … and is it available as a module for the kernel when I dist-upgrade?! okay it is a debian site …hmmmm |
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| 13:09.13 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: when you upgrade, you run squeeze which will run 2.6.32 |
| 13:09.23 | NotJimCarrey | anyone had experience with hostapd? |
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| 13:09.54 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: okay thx |
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| 13:09.57 | NotJimCarrey | i got it running, as in the clients have net connectivity, but the host loses net connectivity |
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| 13:11.04 | mumpitzel | NotJimCarrey: wheezy? running bridged or NAT? |
| 13:11.30 | NotJimCarrey | bridged on sid |
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| 13:14.38 | bael | W: Failed to get http://debian.bsnet.se/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.163 80]??? why? :( |
| 13:14.57 | mumpitzel | cause bsnet.se has no backports. use the proper url |
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| 13:15.28 | themill | bael: the (-sloppy) bit is wrong too |
| 13:16.05 | mumpitzel | bael: erase the full line and use the line in the link I gave you. verbatim |
| 13:16.21 | bael | from http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index1h2 I got deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main |
| 13:16.38 | themill | bael: that's not designed to be copied and pasted, however |
| 13:16.54 | themill | has tried to get that fixed several times |
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| 13:17.26 | bael | themill: I added my mirror site. that's or? |
| 13:17.47 | mumpitzel | bael: use the links provided in the news section in the link I gave you |
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| 13:19.10 | themill | dpkg: tell bael about squeeze-backports |
| 13:19.23 | bael | mumpitzel: same thing: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main <---- used that one |
| 13:19.26 | mumpitzel | he runs 7.2 themill |
| 13:19.43 | themill | oh? |
| 13:19.51 | mumpitzel | 14:52 < bael> mumpitzel: 7.2 |
| 13:20.00 | mumpitzel | bael: you don't run squeeze |
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| 13:20.15 | themill | dpkg: tell bael about wheezy-backports |
| 13:22.03 | bael | this is how my sources.list looks like: http://pastebin.com/qiJ9J607 |
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| 13:23.20 | bael | and when I try to install my package: http://pastebin.com/33rPeCie |
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| 13:23.38 | mumpitzel | you need wheezy backports, you run wheezy |
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| 13:24.27 | bael | ah :p |
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| 13:24.46 | workingcats | ViennaL, lshw also has a gtk GUI |
| 13:25.10 | ViennaL | workingcats: can't use that - only ssh bash |
| 13:25.21 | workingcats | btw, would i be right in assuming it's usually quicker to install a deb7 from scratch than to upgrade a deb3.1? |
| 13:25.24 | bael | mumpitzel: I tried with sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install firmware-realtek but same result could not find anything :( |
| 13:25.52 | workingcats | ViennaL, if it has an x server you could use x forwarding.. but probably best to just use shell ;) |
| 13:26.32 | jelly | workingcats: yes. |
| 13:27.01 | jelly | workingcats: since there's no skipping release, you'd have to go 3.1 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 |
| 13:27.11 | jelly | releases* |
| 13:27.14 | workingcats | jelly, yeah that's what i thought |
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| 13:27.40 | workingcats | also some of these systems are a bit borked already, doing 4 major version upgrades is not gonna simplify things |
| 13:27.42 | mumpitzel | bael: cause you have no wheezy backports in your sources.list |
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| 13:27.59 | workingcats | got a few dozen deb3.1-5 to upgrade. -.- |
| 13:28.00 | bael | mumpitzel: I have..deb http://debian.bsnet.se/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 13:28.18 | mumpitzel | and bsnet carries the backports? |
| 13:28.25 | bael | mumpitzel: and i did update the sourcelist (sudo apt-get update) |
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| 13:30.37 | Sevet | workingcats: of course you also need to check for any issues introduced by each upgrade too |
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| 13:30.51 | Sevet | workingcats: if you do take the 4xrelease path, they're all hosted on archive.debian.org for apt to use |
| 13:31.00 | bael | mumpitzel: I tried with: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 13:31.00 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:31.08 | workingcats | Sevet, yeah exactly. and sometimes packages get replaced. i mean 3.1 is *old* |
| 13:31.23 | workingcats | i think i'll go with the reinstall route |
| 13:31.30 | workingcats | just need to pick distro and conf management system |
| 13:31.32 | mumpitzel | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 13:31.33 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.39~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40 |
| 13:31.45 | mumpitzel | bael: you need non-free |
| 13:31.56 | bael | mumpitzel: what I do then? :( |
| 13:32.07 | mumpitzel | add " non-free" at the end |
| 13:34.00 | bael | mumpitzel: worked tnx!! |
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| 13:46.21 | permalac | Someone created a ext4 FS on a 30Tb disk using fdisk. So the partition is like 2Tb . How can I extend it witout loosing data? (it can be unmounted , is sdc) ?? |
| 13:47.09 | jhutchins | permalac: 1) BACK UP YOUR DATA!!! |
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| 13:47.46 | jhutchins | permalac: You can then use (g)parted to expand it if there is unused space adjacent to it, but it can be faster to just repartition the drive and restore your data. |
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| 13:48.03 | jelly | why did they even use partitions in the first place |
| 13:48.26 | permalac | I have no place where to store the 1Tb already used. |
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| 13:48.34 | permalac | I should extend it to 32Tb |
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| 13:48.53 | permalac | its a "single" disk , comming from a hardware raid |
| 13:49.05 | jhutchins | permalac: As long as you're ok loosing any data on the device go ahead. |
| 13:49.08 | permalac | can I use resize2fs directly? |
| 13:49.41 | jelly | permalac: yes |
| 13:49.51 | jhutchins | permalac: I believe you can, do check the documentation though. |
| 13:50.02 | jelly | permalac: in fact, growing can, and is prefered to be done online while the fs is mounted |
| 13:50.36 | workingcats | jhutchins, i thought normal partitions can only go to 2TB, and for more you need GPT? |
| 13:50.37 | permalac | mounted and online, better? (interesting, I thought the other way) |
| 13:50.52 | permalac | I'm looking at parted, it has a resize option. |
| 13:50.58 | permalac | did you ever used it? |
| 13:51.06 | jelly | permalac: if you do not have partitions, you don't need it |
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| 13:51.20 | workingcats | how do you create a 2TB FS if the drive is not partitioned? |
| 13:51.33 | jelly | workingcats: directly on the whole disk |
| 13:51.40 | workingcats | jelly, but then it'd be 32TB |
| 13:51.41 | permalac | fdisk => sdc1 is the only partition |
| 13:51.55 | permalac | sorry, I was not giving enouth info. |
| 13:52.05 | jelly | permalac: oh. So is the filesystem on /dev/sdc or /dev/sdc1? |
| 13:52.09 | permalac | Model: SMC SMC2108 (scsi) |
| 13:52.10 | permalac | Disk /dev/sdc: 32.0TB |
| 13:52.10 | permalac | Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B |
| 13:52.10 | permalac | Partition Table: msdos |
| 13:52.10 | permalac | Number Start End Size Type File system Flags |
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| 13:54.41 | imran-uk | has anyone got mtp working under debian wheezy? eg. so i can sync a playlist to my sansa clip+ mp3 player? |
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| 13:55.26 | jelly | imran-uk: mtpfs works with my android phone |
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| 13:56.26 | imran-uk | jelly, thanks - i had installed some packages to try and get clementine working with mtp but not mtpfs |
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| 13:56.48 | jelly | I have not used other mtp clients. |
| 13:57.20 | imran-uk | jelly, what is your use-case for mtpfs and the phone? |
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| 13:57.44 | jelly | imran-uk: ... syncing files |
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| 13:58.07 | jelly | camera images and music |
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| 13:58.57 | imran-uk | jelly, ok, so just sync to the filesystem? you dont click a sync button in any client program? |
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| 14:01.04 | jelly | imran-uk: well, I do that for pictures in shotwell, but I prefer copying the music manually |
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| 14:03.41 | imran-uk | jelly, ok - i'll give mtpfs a try. hopefully i can get clementine going with it. my use-case is to create playlists in clementine and have those and the music sync to my sansa clip+. it works nicely in windows media player 11, just want it as smooth in linux |
| 14:03.56 | boodie | Hi I have problems with iceweasel ... it suddendly freezees every 2-3 pages of navigation + I can't access the menu, I found that I should clear the profile... does anybody know how to do it? |
| 14:04.21 | boodie | Sorry : debian stable |
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| 14:04.56 | boodie | Started doing it 1 hour ago, until then everything normal |
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| 14:07.17 | jhutchins | boodie: Move/rename .mozilla/firefox or just .mozilla |
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| 14:09.00 | boodie | jhutchins: OK, how about the bookmarks? |
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| 14:09.49 | flurry | Sevet: ok! I solved with sftp! Thanks! |
| 14:10.02 | jhutchins | boodie: I believe those are part of your profile. Export them and you can re-import |
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| 14:11.06 | boodie | So, are they stored somewhere in .mozilla/firefox? |
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| 14:12.29 | boodie | From my current iceweasel, I can't access the menu ... I'll try & see what happens |
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| 14:12.36 | chok | I just updated to 7.2 and found that /etc/init.d/rsyslog no longer likes the rotate parameter. Does anyone have any ideas on how I am supposed to rotate my syslogs now? I have been using the usual logrotate. |
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| 14:13.04 | permalac | jelly , is sdc1 which has to be extended to all sdc |
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| 14:17.11 | boodie | Renamed .mozilla -> .mozilla-old ... iceweasel initial page appears, it's totally frozen, I can only terminate it ... |
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| 14:17.55 | flurry | Sevet_: Ok! I solved with sftp! Thanks! |
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| 14:19.48 | boodie | Hi, I tried to rename .mozilla (.mozilla-old), the iceweasel initial page appears, it's totally frozen, I can only terminate it |
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| 14:20.23 | mtn | boodie: so, did you or did you not rename the .mozilla folder? |
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| 14:20.45 | boodie | Yes, yes |
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| 14:21.20 | bael | Can I remove PostgreSQL or is it used by daemons or similar? |
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| 14:23.02 | DammitJim | so, is there a way to count how many file descriptors a process has opened? |
| 14:23.17 | DammitJim | or does one have to use lsof -p <pid> | wc -l ? |
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| 14:23.54 | DammitJim | i am already doing the lsof -p... but was wondering if there was something like cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr that tells you how many file descriptors are opened for the whole machine |
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| 14:24.52 | jelly | DammitJim: /proc/PID/fd |
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| 14:25.04 | DammitJim | thanks jelly |
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| 14:25.44 | DammitJim | jelly, what is that? |
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| 14:25.56 | DammitJim | it says it's a directory |
| 14:26.05 | jhutchins | chok: I've never seen logrotate configured anywhere except /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 14:26.17 | Sevet_ | damnit: directory containing symlinks to the opened file/socket/whatever |
| 14:26.25 | Sevet_ | the filenames are the file descriptor number |
| 14:26.25 | STMelon | brb |
| 14:26.58 | Sevet_ | DammitJim: go into the directory and do 'ls -l' |
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| 14:28.07 | DammitJim | so, ls -l | wc will tell me how many file descriptors are being used by that process? |
| 14:28.20 | Sevet_ | yes |
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| 14:28.50 | chok | jhutchins: The problem is that /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog tries to do a invoke-rc.d rsyslog rotate, but /etc/init.d/rsyslog does not like the rotate parameter any more. |
| 14:29.45 | chok | jhutchins: rsyslog should start writing to a new file when that happens, but it keeps writing to the old, renamed /var/log/syslog.1 file instead. |
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| 14:29.48 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 14:30.06 | DammitJim | that's weird because lsof -p is giving me a lot more than that |
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| 14:30.38 | DammitJim | lsof gives me at least double |
| 14:30.51 | Sevet_ | lsof includes stuff are aren't file descriptors |
| 14:30.55 | lolufail | how would I go about debugging often occrung VERY slow disk reads? e.g. cat /etc/whatever works instantly, ls -l /home is super slow the first time, a little slow the second time... both same physical disk |
| 14:31.04 | bael | I am getting wierd errors when trying to start postgsqresql-9.1 |
| 14:31.08 | bael | 2013-10-17 16:29:12 CEST HINT: Is another postmaster already running on port 5432? If not, wait a few seconds and retry. |
| 14:31.08 | bael | 2013-10-17 16:29:12 CEST WARNING: could not create listen socket for "localhost" |
| 14:31.09 | lolufail | occuring* |
| 14:31.18 | bael | 2013-10-17 16:29:12 CEST FATAL: could not create any TCP/IP sockets |
| 14:31.22 | lolufail | very slow = 1 minute |
| 14:31.25 | Sevet_ | DammitJim: look at the fd column, half will be 'mem' which is where it's loaded programs/libraries into memory but it's not a file descriptor |
| 14:31.50 | DammitJim | thanks Sevet_ this is very helpful! now I understand why there were more than what my limit was set to |
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| 14:35.46 | DammitJim | different question... I know a cron job will email the user the output of the job |
| 14:35.51 | DammitJim | is there a way to email it to someone else? |
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| 14:39.55 | DammitJim | vrkalak, is asking to change my 'nick?' May I ask why? |
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| 14:40.07 | DammitJim | I don't have a problem changing it if there is a good reason... |
| 14:40.28 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: is it sending to root right now? |
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| 14:41.19 | vrkalak | DammitJim, wrong IRC .. my problem |
| 14:41.33 | Sevet_ | DammitJim: in crontab you can set the MAILTO variable |
| 14:42.04 | DammitJim | mumpitzel, yes |
| 14:42.23 | Sevet_ | not sure about /etc/cron.{daily,hourly,etc)/... |
| 14:42.29 | DammitJim | I am setting on the first line of the crontab MAILTO="me@email.com" |
| 14:42.36 | DammitJim | let's see |
| 14:42.37 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 14:42.45 | Sevet_ | if you're wanting to forward mail to local users (root etc) to yourself, personally i use .forward files in the home directories |
| 14:43.04 | Sevet_ | that handles the /etc/cron.*/* scripts too |
| 14:43.23 | DammitJim | Sevet_, for convenience, I just want the emails to go to my corporate account |
| 14:43.31 | DammitJim | so, it doesn't have to be a forward |
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| 14:44.18 | Sevet_ | in my case .forward the mta spools it locally then forwards it straight to my corporate account, so i get mail from all servers in one place |
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| 14:55.33 | psnider85 | Hi everybody, Having a bit of trouble upgrading to Twisted 13.1, I am getting these errors when I try 'pip install twisted --upgrade' http://paste.thezomg.com/11517/13820206/ I have python2.7-dev installed and build-essentials. I asked over in #twisted, and they said to come here. |
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| 14:57.21 | chok | jhutchins: Looking at /etc/init.d/rsyslog, it looks like rotate has been renamed to restart. So I am just going to edit /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog to use restart instead of rotate. |
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| 15:00.54 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: MTAs usually have a setting to "esnd all mail for root to user X" |
| 15:01.27 | DammitJim | I honestly rather not do anything to that server if I don't have to |
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| 15:01.33 | DammitJim | but I"ll look into what MTA its using |
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| 15:03.03 | petern_ | psnider85, I'd say you want python-twisted but that's only 12. |
| 15:03.45 | petern_ | psnider85, but it sounds like you're just missing a -dev package somewhere, couldn't tell you which though. |
| 15:04.11 | petern_ | libc6-dev maybe. |
| 15:04.14 | psnider85 | petern_, unfortunatly yes, I need quite a few functions that are missing in 12, haha. And yes, I do believe so also, but I'm stumped :P |
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| 15:05.15 | Sevet_ | psnider85: limits.h is in libc6-dev |
| 15:05.17 | petern_ | Possibly linux-headers. |
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| 15:05.55 | Sevet_ | rpc.h too |
| 15:06.05 | petern_ | Sevet_, yeah, but build-essential already depends on libc6-dev. |
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| 15:06.33 | Sevet_ | psnider85: does /usr/include/limits.h and /usr/include/rpc/rpc.h exist? |
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| 15:07.04 | queso | I'm trying to use webscarab, a web proxy tool to inspect/send HTTP requests. It's kind of old, so it isn't by default configured to hit the linux system proxy (as Firefox is). How can I find the details of my system proxy so I can configure webscarab? |
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| 15:07.55 | psnider85 | Sevet_, no they don't… Which is weird. |
| 15:08.03 | Sevet_ | 'dpkg -l libc6-dev' |
| 15:08.22 | Sevet_ | and 'dpkg -l build-essential' |
| 15:08.38 | Sevet_ | also try 'apt-get -f install' - maybe an apt install didn't complete |
| 15:09.06 | Sevet_ | dpkg commands should show if they're installed (if libc6-dev is installed and the files are missing something deleted them) |
| 15:09.06 | dpkg | that's too long, Sevet_ |
| 15:09.32 | DammitJim | oh, yikes, I get a "mailing to remote domains not supported" |
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| 15:11.08 | psnider85 | I can't seem to install libc6-dev… "The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:11.08 | psnider85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.08 | psnider85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.39 | Sevet_ | pastebin your entire output, and your /etc/apt/sources.list contents |
| 15:12.26 | Sevet_ | sounds like you're somewhere between wheezy and jessie... i'm guessing you've used 'testing' in your sources.list instead of 'jessie' |
| 15:12.58 | Sevet_ | s/jessie/wheezy/, and therefore got partly upgraded |
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| 15:13.20 | Sevet_ | should be fixable by completing an upgrade to jessie though |
| 15:13.21 | psnider85 | Sevet_, http://pastebin.com/xeWJ0E5d |
| 15:13.48 | Sevet_ | huh... all wheezy |
| 15:13.58 | psnider85 | The only thing I've added in was that dotdeb, but I've had that in for weeks. |
| 15:13.58 | Sevet_ | but 2.17-93 is from jessie |
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| 15:14.14 | psnider85 | :/ |
| 15:14.27 | Sevet_ | yea i'm suspicious of the dotdeb too... there could be other sources getting pulled in in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* too |
| 15:15.03 | psnider85 | Could I somehow force the libc6-dev install, or would that be bad news. |
| 15:15.19 | petern_ | That would be bad. |
| 15:15.36 | petern_ | Mind you it sounds like your system is broken anywya. |
| 15:15.47 | psnider85 | Wonderful, haha. |
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| 15:16.22 | Sevet_ | psnider85: apt-cache show libc6-dev |
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| 15:18.26 | psnider85 | Sevet_, http://pastebin.com/W9SkkCiG |
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| 15:20.35 | Sevet_ | psnider85: anything under /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
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| 15:21.25 | Sevet_ | definitely looks like it's the version from jessie (sums match) |
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| 15:21.38 | Sevet_ | also do 'apt-get update' and see if it still says it |
| 15:22.03 | Sevet_ | in case you had something other than wheezy in your sources before your at the last update |
| 15:22.20 | Sevet_ | you might find stuff has already been installed from there though |
| 15:22.28 | Sevet_ | putting you somewhere inbetween |
| 15:22.44 | Che-Anarc | I'm trying to setup an old PowerEdge - 2x Xeon CPU server with wheezy - any guides on setting 32-bit libraries & build-essentials + other comment libraries set up correctly? - I messed 1st installtion :-( |
| 15:22.51 | psnider85 | I'll go through all the sources and see if I find anything. I don't remember changing anything though. |
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| 15:23.50 | jumperswitch | hi |
| 15:24.25 | jumperswitch | I just saw that backports have been integrated into main package repository for Debian Wheezy. How can I search for something in the Wheezy backports? I want to find out if a certain package got a high enough version in backports. |
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| 15:26.04 | Sevet_ | jumperswitch: you still add a new source, it's just moved to debian.org |
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| 15:26.26 | jumperswitch | Sevet_: OH |
| 15:26.32 | Sevet_ | !tell jumperswitch about bpo |
| 15:26.41 | jumperswitch | Sevet_: how can I perform a search in those new moved backports? |
| 15:26.49 | Sevet_ | they do show on packages.debian.org now |
| 15:27.05 | Sevet_ | so you can search there, or through apt |
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| 15:27.48 | psnider85 | Sevet_, you are going to kill me. I just went through and removed all development packages, cleaned up the apt cache, and re-installed build-essentials and libc6-dev… It works! I feel like such an idiot for not trying that. But thank you so much petern_ and Sevet_ for all your help! :) |
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| 15:27.59 | jumperswitch | alright |
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| 15:28.42 | Sevet_ | psnider85: great! :) you still may find yourself part way between wheezy and jessie though |
| 15:28.49 | Sevet_ | depends if anything got installed from those sources |
| 15:30.13 | Che-Anarc | Do I: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update to enable 32-bit libraries required? |
| 15:30.22 | jumperswitch | Sevet_: ok, I am on www.debian.org/distrib/packages and where in that form can I choose backports for wheezy? |
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| 15:35.55 | jumperswitch | Sevet_: I can choose testing, but this is not backports, right? |
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| 15:40.03 | LtL | jumperswitch: testing is codenamed jessie, it's not backports |
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| 15:40.31 | jumperswitch | LtL: But how can I perform a search in backports for wheezy? The form doesn't provide this. |
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| 15:41.28 | LtL | jumperswitch: enter a deb line for wheezy backports and then update and use apt-get search |
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| 15:42.16 | LtL | jumperswitch: you can look here also, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/ |
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| 15:46.28 | LtL | dpkg: tell jumperswitch about bdo |
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| 15:48.19 | jumperswitch | LtL: So when there is no 'kvm' or 'qemu' in the list, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages , then there aren't backports for it (yet), right? |
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| 15:49.01 | LtL | jumperswitch: correct |
| 15:49.07 | jumperswitch | LtL: ok |
| 15:49.11 | jumperswitch | LtL: thank you |
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| 15:49.36 | LtL | jumperswitch: you're welcome, dpkg sent you a message regarding backports |
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| 15:51.12 | zetheroo | boot stops at this message - how do I fix this? "could not init font path element /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/truetype" |
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| 15:52.21 | jumperswitch | LtL: I read them, yes |
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| 16:00.54 | Circuitsoft | zetheroo: That shouldn't be fatal. It's likely something else, though you may be having graphics driver issues. |
| 16:01.25 | zetheroo | this is a server with no GUI installed |
| 16:01.32 | zetheroo | Wheezy |
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| 16:03.17 | zetheroo | how can I find what is stopping me from getting to the login? |
| 16:03.24 | zetheroo | all I can get to is Recovery Mode |
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| 16:05.35 | zetheroo | or can I get whatever is calling this to be ignored? |
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| 16:06.26 | BirdyB | zetheroo you should check the logs |
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| 16:06.38 | zetheroo | any in particular? |
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| 16:07.40 | BirdyB | mostly /var/log/messages |
| 16:08.56 | zetheroo | that log just ends with messages relating to the last system shutdown ... |
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| 16:10.23 | BirdyB | hm, strange... |
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| 16:11.18 | zetheroo | I cannot SSH into the machine so it's a real pain to get any info from it ... |
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| 16:13.54 | zetheroo | so there is no package that needs to be installed? |
| 16:14.10 | zetheroo | no truetype package? |
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| 16:16.06 | mumpitzel | zetheroo: do you have X clients or servers installed? |
| 16:16.22 | mumpitzel | and why cannot you ssh into it? |
| 16:17.01 | zetheroo | I thought because I can only get it to boot into recovery mode ... that that was the reason why I could not SSH into it ... |
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| 16:17.21 | feyd | is there some kind of user-repository for debian anywhere? I find installing software outside of the repos is a colossal pain |
| 16:18.37 | zetheroo | mumpitzel: ok ... it seems I can now SSH in ... but the screen still shows ""could not init font path element /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/truetype" as the last message. |
| 16:18.40 | mtn | feyd: of course it is a pain, what is wrong with the debian repoes? |
| 16:18.57 | mumpitzel | zetheroo: then why don't you check this path? |
| 16:19.03 | feyd | mtn: just lacks a lot of stuff I'd like to use |
| 16:19.25 | mtn | feyd: pretty amazing, the most software of any distro, too ;) |
| 16:19.30 | mumpitzel | feyd: what do you want? |
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| 16:19.38 | zetheroo | mumpitzel: already did ... there is no defoma directory in /var/lib/ |
| 16:20.07 | feyd | plex, sublime, dolphin emulator, rutorrent |
| 16:20.09 | mumpitzel | that's the problem |
| 16:20.10 | feyd | off the top of my head |
| 16:20.19 | martin-_- | hi is there a gnome program which allows me to enable/disable system services like apache2 myhtv on startup? |
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| 16:20.59 | feyd | umplayer |
| 16:21.20 | zetheroo | mumpitzel: right ... but therein seem to be the issue ... how does one make the path exist? |
| 16:21.28 | mumpitzel | man mkdir |
| 16:21.37 | zetheroo | mumpitzel: I have tried installing the defoma font with no luck |
| 16:21.38 | mumpitzel | what is the message before this last one? |
| 16:22.07 | zetheroo | last message on boot? |
| 16:22.19 | mumpitzel | please read my question again |
| 16:22.37 | zetheroo | man mkdir? |
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| 16:22.55 | zetheroo | you want me to manually create a directory ?! |
| 16:22.57 | mumpitzel | did you see a question mark tehre? |
| 16:23.05 | feyd | mtn: any suggestions? |
| 16:23.09 | mumpitzel | no. I want you to learn more reading comprehension |
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| 16:23.33 | zetheroo | sorry man, not following ... :P |
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| 16:23.49 | zetheroo | you want me to read the manual for the mkdir command? |
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| 16:25.24 | zetheroo | I don't see how reading the manual for the command mkdir is going to help me .... unless you want me to manually make the directories in the path ... and then what? ... should I also manually create the file "truetype" at the end of the path!? |
| 16:27.31 | zetheroo | nvm ... I'll try sorting this out another time ... though it would be nice if people who didn't know would just either not get involved or let the guy they're trying to "help" know that they don't know ... Peace! |
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| 16:27.41 | LtL | zetheroo: i would just make the directories and see if that satifies the boot process |
| 16:28.21 | LtL | *satisfies |
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| 16:33.04 | feyd | so no suggestions on easier ways to get software outside of the repos? |
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| 16:37.58 | LtL | feyd: with build-essential installed, many programs can install and be satisfied but not all programs |
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| 16:38.41 | LtL | feyd: built as opposed to just dpkg -i package |
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| 16:39.28 | feyd | LtL: yea but building from source is never without an issue for me |
| 16:39.30 | feyd | theres always something |
| 16:39.35 | feyd | and im bad at resolving those issues |
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| 16:40.05 | LtL | feyd: unfortunately that happens to to older libraries |
| 16:40.25 | LtL | s/to/due |
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| 16:41.02 | pompeus | test |
| 16:41.15 | LtL | pompeus: passed |
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| 16:44.01 | feyd | pompeus: fail |
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| 16:45.54 | pompeus | ? |
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| 16:47.12 | LtL | pompeus: disregard the attempted humor, need any help with debian? |
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| 16:49.15 | pompeus | yes i am first time here. wanna look whats going on |
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| 16:50.33 | LtL | pompeus: i see, welcome and feel free to observe and ask anything pertaining to debian |
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| 16:54.27 | pompeus | @LtL ok let me first learn some basic irc commands, after i will ask you some questions. Maybe you can help me |
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| 16:56.02 | jhutchins | feyd: Given that there are more than 30,000 packages in the official repos, and that the main reason packages AREN'T in the repos is that they don't meet debian's standards for quality, openness, and/or stability, you might want to consider using methods that work with the official software rather than forcing bad 3rd party software into a stable system. |
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| 16:56.35 | feyd | jhutchins: as much as I love debian, I'm realizing it's probably not the right distro for me :( |
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| 16:56.52 | jhutchins | feyd: No problem for us! |
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| 16:57.00 | LtL | pompeus: your IRC client should contain help guides and commands. IRC itself takes a bit of practice. help with this is off-topic here i'm afraid. |
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| 16:57.14 | feyd | yea, certainly not lacking in usage |
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| 16:59.32 | Konomi | flash is refusing to use pulseaudio despite my asound.conf in etc telling it to what do I do? |
| 17:00.04 | Konomi | it seems to be completey ignoring pcms and just going to hw0 |
| 17:00.14 | Kenta | Have you tried turning it off and on again? (In all seriousness, kill your browser and any containers it's running) |
| 17:00.22 | Konomi | already done |
| 17:00.36 | jhutchins | Konomi: Contact Adobe and ask that they add code to accomodate pulseaudio. |
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| 17:00.47 | Konomi | sure np. |
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| 17:04.34 | Guest10416 | hello everyone |
| 17:04.59 | Guest10416 | i have a question about upgrade |
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| 17:05.17 | Guest10416 | could someone explain to me why : |
| 17:05.41 | Guest10416 | when i lauch "apt-get upgrade = 0 upgrade" |
| 17:06.04 | Guest10416 | when i lauch "apt-get dist-upgrade = 108 upgrade" |
| 17:06.09 | Guest10416 | thanks a lot |
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| 17:07.08 | ExeciN | the increase/decrease brightness keys do not affect the screen brightness even if I am getting the brightness graphic to show on every press. How can I fix it? |
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| 17:12.45 | nucc1 | if i wanted to configure an ethernet interface with just an IP and subnet, but no route in network-manager, how would i do this? |
| 17:12.55 | nucc1 | it seems to dislike it if you leave the gateway blank |
| 17:13.17 | berarma | anyone knows why could I get the message "Added user root." after "su -"? |
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| 17:15.45 | berarma | nucc1: you can try 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:16.15 | jordanm | berarma: type -a su |
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| 17:17.08 | nucc1 | berarma: Yea, I used that. tcpdump tells me the arp requests are coming in, but no responses going out... |
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| 17:21.11 | berarma | jordanm: "su is /bin/su" |
| 17:21.38 | jordanm | berarma: then the message probably comes from one of root's shell initization files |
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| 17:47.49 | bael | yo |
| 17:48.15 | bael | When I am booting my computer and when it comes to "detecting network" it gets stuck for app. 10 min. |
| 17:48.21 | bael | the finally I get network |
| 17:48.50 | bael | when I go to the network properties using gnome I get "no adapter" |
| 17:49.09 | bael | Network: Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver e1000e ver 2.1.4-k port 5080 bus-ID 00:19.0 |
| 17:49.10 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.10 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.10 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.53 | bael | sorry for flooding :) |
| 17:51.11 | jumperswitch | ouch |
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| 17:51.44 | LtL | bael: read your dmesg, it should have something |
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| 17:53.35 | bael | LtL: what shall I look for? Ethernet? eth0? |
| 17:53.55 | esseks | Hi! I installed ubuntu 12.04 LTS in a pre-existing LVM on LUKS system by using cryptsetup and vgchange |
| 17:54.09 | esseks | The I chrooted inside and modified /etc/crypttab properly |
| 17:54.29 | esseks | and rebuilt initramfs. But... It's not booting, what else should I do? |
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| 17:54.50 | jelly-home | esseks: you should ask about it in #ubuntu or ##linux channels :-( |
| 17:55.02 | esseks | Woops! Typo! |
| 17:55.05 | jelly-home | or #ubuntu-server if it's a server installation |
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| 17:55.20 | esseks | I thought I had written #ubuntu :S Sorry, bye |
| 17:55.30 | jelly-home | good luck |
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| 17:57.47 | bael | LtL: [ 19.976019] eth0: no IPv6 routers present? |
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| 18:00.22 | Saviq | hey, this might sound stupid... but can I find the source package for a NEW package? http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/gudev-sharp-3.0_3.0.0-1.html to be exact? |
| 18:00.39 | Saviq | +somewhere |
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| 18:01.00 | LtL | bael: no that's not a problem |
| 18:01.31 | bael | LtL: what else can I look for? any idea? :) |
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| 18:02.26 | LtL | bael: logs in /var/log/* |
| 18:03.01 | bael | LtL: check this one http://pastebin.com/c1xUjn9X |
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| 18:04.24 | bael | ./kern.log:Oct 17 13:22:47 debian kernel: [ 6.524918] r8169 0000:01:00.0: eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw (-2) |
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| 18:04.35 | bael | that doesnt look so very good |
| 18:05.45 | jordanm | !tell bael about rtl8168 |
| 18:06.00 | jhutchins | ,versions gudev-sharp |
| 18:06.01 | judd | No package named 'gudev-sharp' was found in i386. |
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| 18:08.10 | jhutchins | Saviq: I think the git links near the top of that page are links to the sourcecode. |
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| 18:08.32 | Saviq | jhutchins, yeah, managed to find it - but the links themselves were not working (yet?) |
| 18:09.23 | jhutchins | Saviq: Failing that, https://www.launchpad.net/gudev-sharp should have it. |
| 18:09.34 | bael | jordanm: I did not got smarter :) |
| 18:09.42 | Saviq | jhutchins, last commit there is pretty old |
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| 18:10.00 | Saviq | jhutchins, like 2010 old |
| 18:10.15 | Saviq | jhutchins, should probably be https://github.com/mono/gudev-sharp instead |
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| 18:11.29 | jhutchins | Saviq: That's something that needs to be updated in the debian code then, you should probably contact the maintainers with that info. |
| 18:11.48 | Saviq | jhutchins, I will let hyperair know tomorrow, yeag |
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| 18:12.34 | bael | how do I install rtl8168 corectlly? |
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| 18:23.39 | waynr | i am running debian jessie and am currently seeing an issue where umlet hangs when it is started |
| 18:23.47 | DammitJim | I'm trying to send an email from my server to an email address of a different domain |
| 18:24.09 | DammitJim | I keep getting in my maillog: Message Accepted for Delivery (127.0.0.1) |
| 18:24.19 | waynr | i am filling out a bug report and wish to indicate that the bug is "serious" but can't find anything in the Debian Policy Manual which explicitly states that programs must "work" |
| 18:24.35 | DammitJim | but Connection refused by "logictechnologies.com" |
| 18:24.39 | DammitJim | how do I get around that? |
| 18:24.56 | DammitJim | does that mean that my logictechnologies.com server needs authentication |
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| 18:28.12 | hramrach | hello |
| 18:28.35 | hramrach | why deos debian use nonsensicalapplications for opening files? |
| 18:28.36 | boudiccas | i'm going to be hosting a site on this computer, but what is best practice, in '/var/www/' or '/home/user/www' please? |
| 18:28.37 | jelly-home | DammitJim: which MTA? |
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| 18:28.51 | coobra | nu sun-debian-ppl oin here :/ |
| 18:29.03 | hramrach | what is responsible for setting hte default applications and why is it so fucked up? |
| 18:29.35 | boudiccas | i think i'll use /var/www as thats already set up for mysql |
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| 18:30.41 | pnbeast | hramrach: It's a *nix style operating system. You decide what to use to open applications. Are you trying to say that the window manager you're running is selecting programs to run because you're "clicking on" filenames? |
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| 18:32.14 | pnbeast | boudiccas: Storing web-served files & such in users' home directories is a convenience on multi-user systems, but is definitely not "best practice" for more traditional, standalone web serving machines. |
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| 18:33.53 | boudiccas | pnbeast; ah, thanks |
| 18:33.53 | hramrach | pnbeast: sometimes I use fraphical programs that insist on opening something using the system infrastructure ofr opening files rather than using a private, application specific preference |
| 18:34.14 | hramrach | like lyx opening the PDF files it generates |
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| 18:34.30 | hramrach | or a web browser opening downloaded files |
| 18:34.42 | hramrach | and they open in totally absurd applications |
| 18:35.14 | mtn | hramrach: maybe you should make your own distro. that way it wouldn't be absurd |
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| 18:36.41 | rryoumaa | linux is still extremely heterogenous (can be a good thing) and non-orthogonal (bad) |
| 18:37.03 | hramrach | mtn: you suggest that opening a PDF file in a web browser (that again asks to open it in another application since it cannot handle it) or opening text file in Wine notepad is not absurd? |
| 18:37.04 | mtn | ooh, big words :P |
| 18:37.15 | pnbeast | hramrach: I don't know what you mean by "the system infrastructure". For example, when I use LyX, I specify what file it should open. When I use Seamonkey, I specify whether it opens a file or references a URL. |
| 18:37.21 | mtn | hramrach: mine doesn't do that. shrug. |
| 18:37.33 | pnbeast | hramrach: So, again, are you "clicking on" a filename and hoping your WM picks the program you want? |
| 18:37.52 | hramrach | pnbeast: WM does not pick programs /o\ |
| 18:38.18 | pnbeast | hramrach: So, you're saying you open LyX and then some other program magically opens once you select a file from LyX??? |
| 18:39.42 | hramrach | pnbeast: lyx can output PDF files as previews and it uses the system mime handler infrastructure through xdg-open to open that generated file in a preview application |
| 18:40.38 | hramrach | now xdg-open picks nonsense but that's probably not xdg-open's fault since picking nosensical application for opening files is system-wide problem |
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| 18:41.05 | berarma | hramrach: this could be easier if you stopped bitching and describe a problem in detail |
| 18:41.12 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:42.08 | pnbeast | hramrach, I guess maybe I see what you're doing. Supposedly, "Xdg-open uses the $HOME/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list to determine associations." I don't use such and cannot help, directly. |
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| 18:44.11 | obihann | Is there a differentce between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:45.18 | jhutchins | !why aptitude |
| 18:45.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 18:46.57 | obihann | do they both use the same repositories? |
| 18:47.28 | obihann | I've alwayse used apt-get but now that I'm doing raspberry-pi stuff I see a lot of people use aptitude, and I'm curious if the end-result is the same or different |
| 18:47.28 | berarma | obihann: they do the same in a different way |
| 18:47.30 | jhutchins | obihann: Yes, and the same local database(s) of package info |
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| 18:48.37 | hramrach | pnbeast: supposedly. That file actually contains some nonsense but nothing about pdf |
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| 18:49.18 | hramrach | obihann: and different way to resolve dependencies so they actually do not give same results |
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| 18:50.32 | pnbeast | hramrach: As per berarma's advice: describe your problem in detail, maybe read that rant about "how to ask smart questions". If there's help to be had, that should get it for you faster. |
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| 18:51.22 | tvm | obihann: you can safely handle all the things with apt-get, aptitude is just semi-graphical/shell extension |
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| 18:52.16 | hramrach | xdg-open 'somefile.pdf' opens a web browser. When the file name includes spaces it even fails to pass the file name to the browser correctly |
| 18:52.24 | tvm | obihann: it's just mere frontend |
| 18:52.35 | hramrach | why does nonsense like that happen? |
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| 18:52.54 | hramrach | I know I can set a different application, at least for xdg-open |
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| 18:53.25 | hramrach | but what and how installed that nonsense in the first place? I want that out of my system |
| 18:53.33 | jhutchins | How do I see the command(s) scheduled in at? |
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| 18:54.02 | Diddi | Hi, I'm trying to preseed a wheezy installation on a VM, but when fetching the preseed file from my webserver the installation says that the file could not be retrieved. I can successfully wget the preseed file from my laptop on the same network, and using tcpdump on the webserver I see the file being sent back to the VM, although just partially before the VM decides that it doesn't work |
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| 18:54.09 | Diddi | any ideas why this isn't working? |
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| 18:54.23 | berarma | jhutchins: atq |
| 18:54.24 | tvm | jhutchins: execute atq as root ? |
| 18:54.48 | DammitJim | jelly-home, sendmail |
| 18:54.53 | raz0 | fsck UEFI! |
| 18:54.58 | jhutchins | tvm: That just shows "2 2013-10-18 06:45 a root" |
| 18:55.01 | obihann | thanks |
| 18:55.07 | raz0 | whoops, sorry, just venting |
| 18:55.11 | tvm | jhutchins: well, for current user, you don't need to be root |
| 18:55.27 | tvm | jhutchins: the job is scheduled |
| 18:55.36 | jhutchins | tvm: I want to see what command job 2 is. |
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| 18:56.36 | tvm | jhutchins: don't remember how ti view that, but just grep the /var/spool/cron/at* stuff |
| 18:56.53 | tvm | /s/ti/to/ |
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| 18:57.30 | hramrach | ok, and now I removed the txt handler installed by wine so I have no txt handler in ~/.local and I get libreoffice for text files |
| 18:57.46 | hramrach | awesome |
| 18:57.54 | DammitJim | jelly-home, meaning, that's my local MTA |
| 18:58.02 | hramrach | and the fallback when libreoffice fails to start is less |
| 18:58.06 | berarma | jhutchins: "at -c 2" |
| 18:58.09 | DammitJim | I must have some name or alias file not configured properly or something |
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| 18:59.33 | jhutchins | berarma: Wow. Dumps the ENV as well. Thanks. |
| 18:59.51 | jhutchins | berarma: I tried that before, must've mistyped. |
| 19:00.33 | DammitJim | I also have exim4 |
| 19:00.44 | DammitJim | maybe I need to authenticate with the server I'm sending to? |
| 19:00.53 | DammitJim | I'm basically just relaying mail |
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| 19:05.54 | Kobra | does anyone know why software-center just sits there with a spinning circle (Sid by the way) |
| 19:05.59 | Kobra | ? |
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| 19:07.24 | tvm | because it's unstable ? |
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| 19:07.36 | jumperswitch | Hi |
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| 19:07.40 | Kobra | but, sureley there's a way to fix it? |
| 19:07.54 | jumperswitch | Is there a way to specify in unattended installation / preseed that after installation the system is rebooted _without_ true poweroff? |
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| 19:09.21 | tvm | Kobra: yup, start debugging, after you find out what's causing it, submit the bugreport, it will get fixed. |
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| 19:09.47 | Kobra | how do you debug a python application? |
| 19:09.56 | jhutchins | Kobra: That's why sid is out there, so you can figure out how to fix it. |
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| 19:10.13 | Kobra | i know |
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| 19:10.52 | Kobra | btw, running from console: RuntimeError: Data access methods are unsupported. Use normal Python attributes instead |
| 19:11.00 | tvm | Kobra: is there an error ? or does it jus thangs ? |
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| 19:11.09 | Kobra | that's the last thing on the output |
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| 19:11.28 | tvm | Kobra: google, find what that means, modify/trace/whatever the code |
| 19:11.41 | tvm | and submit the report, it will be fixed that way |
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| 19:12.33 | tvm | and you'll have working package in testing/stable after some time |
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| 19:13.17 | Kobra | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721666 |
| 19:13.24 | Kobra | was reported almost 2months ago |
| 19:13.49 | hjubal | Hi, just reading Ansible documentation, it seems an interesting product, does anyone use it? |
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| 19:14.19 | petn-randall | hjubal: This discussion is more suitable on #debian-offtopic. |
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| 19:14.38 | hjubal | petn-randall, you're right, sorry |
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| 19:15.02 | Diddi | is there a limit to how big the preseeding file can be? I'm only receiving the first 4K of my file while wgetting it within the installer.. |
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| 19:15.11 | petn-randall | hjubal: No prob, looks interesting though. Let's discuss this on #d-o |
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| 19:15.32 | hjubal | petn-randall, thanks, will do |
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| 19:22.51 | tvm | Kobra: yes, it's correctly reported. |
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| 19:23.08 | tvm | Kobra: and will be fixed before the package gets into stable. |
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| 19:24.03 | tvm | Kobra: if you are willing, investigate into it and extend the bugpeport with more details. |
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| 19:26.15 | gbit | to install on a intel x64 processor shold I download ia64 iso, is that correct? |
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| 19:26.50 | hramrach | probably amd64 iso |
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| 19:27.13 | hramrach | there is ia64 (itanium) and amd64 (i386 compatible) |
| 19:27.19 | gbit | thanks |
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| 19:59.51 | NotJimCarrey | running sid, when i start hostapd using bridged, i lose host net connectivity |
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| 19:59.57 | NotJimCarrey | any ideas? |
| 20:00.20 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: wrong configuration |
| 20:00.56 | NotJimCarrey | hostapd.conf or interfaces? |
| 20:01.16 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: pick one |
| 20:01.50 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 20:05.22 | NotJimCarrey | mind checking them? |
| 20:05.24 | NotJimCarrey | http://pastebin.com/pyVymZVc |
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| 20:06.21 | grimeton | you know that you can't bridge wifi connections right? |
| 20:06.30 | grimeton | as most chipsets don't allow multiple mac addresses in client mode |
| 20:06.42 | grimeton | you either have to mask the mac addresses or change the mode |
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| 20:07.20 | NotJimCarrey | it's bridging eth0 & wlan0 |
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| 20:07.32 | grimeton | yeah |
| 20:07.38 | grimeton | and the bridge gets the ip address |
| 20:07.48 | grimeton | and the bridge has a different mac address than wlan0 does |
| 20:07.52 | grimeton | and that's where you get into trouble |
| 20:07.59 | NotJimCarrey | any way around it? |
| 20:08.07 | NotJimCarrey | without adding another wlan device |
| 20:08.10 | hikenboot | just an idea I do exactly that bridging stuff with an alix computer and pfsense in case this is at all helpful |
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| 20:08.53 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: the questions is, if the chipset allows other mac addresses than its own if it changes mode to ap mode or something |
| 20:09.02 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: if it does, you shouldn't see any problems |
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| 20:09.35 | grimeton | are eth0 and wlan0 up and running after the bridge is started? |
| 20:09.51 | NotJimCarrey | don't remember |
| 20:09.53 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 20:10.24 | NotJimCarrey | it's an AR9285 chipset |
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| 20:13.23 | davidWork | ssh is rejecting everyone saying the password is wrong. |
| 20:13.31 | grimeton | that bitch |
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| 20:13.41 | davidWork | I know its right because I can log in locally |
| 20:13.45 | NotJimCarrey | ok, any of that go through? |
| 20:13.56 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: hm? |
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| 20:14.06 | NotJimCarrey | yes, br0 & wlan0 up in ifconfig |
| 20:14.09 | grimeton | davidWork: disconnect, restart the ssh server and try again |
| 20:14.25 | NotJimCarrey | eth0 also |
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| 20:14.28 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: if you give the wifi device the ip address and remove it from the bridge, can you ping the network then? |
| 20:14.29 | NotJimCarrey | eth0 & bro sharing mac |
| 20:14.37 | NotJimCarrey | eth0 has RTL8111/8168/8411 chipset |
| 20:14.42 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: also, check if the bridge has those interfaces switched to forwarding mode - it takes some time |
| 20:14.51 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: sharing mac? |
| 20:15.05 | NotJimCarrey | eth0 & br0 have the same mac address |
| 20:15.11 | grimeton | wut? |
| 20:15.21 | davidWork | grimeton: Done. I disconnected then restarted sshd. |
| 20:15.30 | davidWork | still rejects the password |
| 20:15.36 | grimeton | davidWork: are you trying to logon as root? |
| 20:15.45 | davidWork | Yes, and others |
| 20:15.53 | grimeton | davidWork: any errors in the logs? |
| 20:16.14 | grimeton | davidWork: and make sure you are connecting to the right host (if the ip address matches, check that the mac address in the arp cache matches) |
| 20:16.26 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: eeer, you sure? |
| 20:16.31 | uovobw | i just stumbled in the same error...the output is: http://pastebin.com/sHwjaRRA |
| 20:17.00 | grimeton | hm, pam error |
| 20:17.02 | grimeton | that's not nice |
| 20:17.10 | grimeton | what release? sid? |
| 20:17.13 | uovobw | i have just reinstalled a vps, upgraded it from wheezy to current stable and the problem _is_ reproducible |
| 20:17.20 | uovobw | yes, it only happens in current sid |
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| 20:17.29 | uovobw | is anyone opening a bug repo? |
| 20:17.31 | uovobw | *report |
| 20:17.36 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: yes |
| 20:17.37 | grimeton | ok, then i don't update my sid machines |
| 20:18.01 | NotJimCarrey | br0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 20:cf:30:7e:7f:4d |
| 20:18.06 | NotJimCarrey | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 20:cf:30:7e:7f:4d |
| 20:18.09 | grimeton | uovobw, davidWork set the pam stuff for sshd to debug mode and check what the exact problem is |
| 20:18.10 | dondelelcaro | NotJimCarrey: that's pretty normal |
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| 20:18.58 | uovobw | grimeton: cool, i'll hang around if any help is needed. davidWork once done please post bug # so we can add to it :) |
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| 20:19.12 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: i'd change the mac address and retry |
| 20:19.30 | davidWork | I can't find the ssh logs. It should be in /var/log/syslog right? |
| 20:19.33 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: for br0? |
| 20:19.36 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: yeah |
| 20:19.44 | grimeton | davidWork: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 20:20.16 | davidWork | I don't have an auth.log |
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| 20:20.43 | NotJimCarrey | welp, off to figure out how to do that |
| 20:20.44 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 20:21.41 | davidWork | found it. Its in /var/log/secure |
| 20:21.47 | NotJimCarrey | "hwaddress ether 00:00:00:00:00:00" under br0 in interfaces? |
| 20:21.56 | NotJimCarrey | well, obviously not all zeros |
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| 20:22.14 | grimeton | usually the bridge should randomly generate one on its own |
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| 20:23.38 | grimeton | hm or am i on the wrong os right now |
| 20:23.41 | grimeton | wait a second |
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| 20:23.48 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 20:23.58 | davidWork | The logs just say it rejected a password: http://i.imgur.com/s8gjb8y.png |
| 20:24.27 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: hm, seems like linux picks up the first mac address that is added by an interface |
| 20:24.30 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: so it's fine |
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| 20:25.11 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: can you ping hosts on the "cable side" ? |
| 20:25.42 | Rydekull | davidWork: what does the line "PermitRootLogin" say in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 20:25.46 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: is the route for the local subnet changed to the right device (bridge) ? |
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| 20:26.32 | codex1 | hi =) |
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| 20:26.59 | davidWork | Rydekull: I don't have that line |
| 20:27.10 | grimeton | davidWork: can you check /etc/pam.d/sshd if there is a line containing pam_loginuid.so ? |
| 20:27.23 | NotJimCarrey | test |
| 20:27.29 | grimeton | davidWork: for the session |
| 20:27.33 | Rydekull | davidWork: Sure you're looking in sshd_config and not ssh_config? |
| 20:27.37 | NotJimCarrey | welp, that didn't work |
| 20:27.54 | NotJimCarrey | macs were different, clients had net, but not host |
| 20:27.55 | Rydekull | davidWork: grep -i permit /etc/ssh/* |
| 20:28.10 | davidWork | session required pam_loginuid.so |
| 20:28.17 | grimeton | davidWork: comment that out, try again |
| 20:28.30 | davidWork | I checked both sshd_config and ssh_config |
| 20:28.50 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: can you remind me how to set the route like that? |
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| 20:28.57 | NotJimCarrey | that may be it |
| 20:29.11 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: it should happen automagically, so it would be nice to see the routing table when everything is up and should work |
| 20:29.24 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: ip route show |
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| 20:29.31 | benzrf | hello |
| 20:29.43 | benzrf | I'm running ubuntu and somebody in ##linux told me to ask here |
| 20:29.50 | grimeton | benzrf: #ubuntu |
| 20:29.51 | davidWork | grimeton: commented out "session required pam_loginuid.so" Restarted sshd. Still can't log in |
| 20:29.52 | benzrf | also, i've found #ubuntu to always be terminally unhelpful |
| 20:30.20 | grimeton | davidWork: what error do you get now? |
| 20:30.28 | davidWork | Access denied |
| 20:30.29 | grimeton | benzrf: yeah, but ubuntu != debian |
| 20:30.33 | grimeton | davidWork: in the logs? |
| 20:30.37 | davidWork | I'll check |
| 20:30.40 | jthomas__ | Good day. I have a PDF that was scanned to 11x17inch paper, but only the left half has info, the 8x11 original scan. Can anyone help me with 'pdfcrop' to remve the right half of these pages? |
| 20:30.44 | benzrf | I guess I'll go ask there and come here if nobody has anythin |
| 20:30.46 | uovobw | davidWork: i can confirm the bug is in libpam* version 1.1.3-9 . if i downgrade the packages, apparenttly, it works again |
| 20:31.05 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: route switches to br0 |
| 20:31.15 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: and all other local routes are removed? |
| 20:31.32 | uovobw | davidWork: i currently have libpam-modules , libpam-modules-bin , libpam-runtime and libpam0g |
| 20:31.33 | NotJimCarrey | only has: |
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| 20:31.41 | NotJimCarrey | 10.0.1.0/24 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.1.1 |
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| 20:32.19 | davidWork | grimeton: http://pastebin.com/LVge6ts0 |
| 20:32.20 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: and the members of the bridge are in forwarding state ? |
| 20:32.43 | grimeton | davidWork: hm, this looks like a wrong password now - check that you entered the right one |
| 20:32.53 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: that i don't know |
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| 20:33.16 | davidWork | grimeton: I am absolutely sure its the right password. Its been saying this the whole time. |
| 20:33.25 | bt6 | For some reason, certain characters are showing incorrectly on my system. For example: http://i.imgur.com/KqJrOr0.png the last channel is messed up. Can anyone help? |
| 20:33.53 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: check if the status is default with ip link show |
| 20:34.02 | grimeton | davidWork: i'm setting up a testbox, gimme 2 minutes |
| 20:34.02 | Rydekull | grimeton, davidWork: am I the only one who think uovobw's "I can confirm the bug" sounds important? |
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| 20:34.36 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: where? |
| 20:34.38 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 20:34.45 | grimeton | Rydekull: no, but it's about to find a way around it and the first error message has been removed by commenting out one module |
| 20:34.50 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: hm? |
| 20:34.58 | NotJimCarrey | oh |
| 20:35.16 | NotJimCarrey | lemme check |
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| 20:36.22 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: all links show DEFAULT |
| 20:36.40 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: hm, this is weird |
| 20:36.59 | grimeton | NotJimCarrey: if you setup the bridge by hand without the wifi stuff, does it work then? |
| 20:37.04 | davidWork | Rydekull: I am trying to see if I have libpam installed |
| 20:37.12 | grimeton | davidWork: you do |
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| 20:38.13 | davidWork | grimeton: I do but I am not finding it in my update history |
| 20:38.17 | davidWork | still looking |
| 20:38.31 | Rydekull | davidWork: What version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:38.49 | grimeton | davidWork: debian is pam based, no pam, no login |
| 20:39.50 | davidWork | Rydekull: debian 6 |
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| 20:40.22 | grimeton | i can logon without any errors |
| 20:40.40 | grimeton | davidWork: didn't you say you're running sid earlier? |
| 20:40.53 | davidWork | I didn't say that |
| 20:41.07 | davidWork | I am not sure what sid is |
| 20:41.39 | grimeton | davidWork: hm but uovobw did |
| 20:41.42 | grimeton | i can't reproduce it in sid |
| 20:41.49 | grimeton | davidWork: it's the unstable release of debian |
| 20:41.54 | uovobw | sorry i was wrong, downgrading pam does NOT fix the issue, the issue is in openssh-server version 1:6.2p2-6 |
| 20:42.09 | grimeton | uovobw: do you see the pam error too? |
| 20:42.11 | NotJimCarrey | grimeton: lemme find out |
| 20:42.11 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 20:42.15 | uovobw | downgradind ONLY openssh-server to the previous one in stable ( 1:6.0p1-4 ) fixes it |
| 20:42.24 | uovobw | grimeton: i do |
| 20:42.30 | uovobw | but it's triggered by ssh, not by libpam |
| 20:42.38 | uovobw | it's on the ssh side of the problem ,apparently |
| 20:42.46 | uovobw | i'm reporting a bug right now |
| 20:42.48 | grimeton | uovobw: if you comment out the session line with pam_loginuid.so, does the error change then? |
| 20:43.24 | Rydekull | Hrm |
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| 20:43.25 | grimeton | i'm running openssh-server 1:6.2p2-6 on sid and i CAN NOT see the problem |
| 20:44.25 | Rydekull | davidWork: what does dpkg -l openssh-server give you? |
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| 20:44.51 | grimeton | it would be nice if we could get a release name/number of the debian that produces the error |
| 20:45.09 | grimeton | and it would be nice if somebody could run sshd in debug mode from a console session to get a trace of what goes wrong |
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| 20:46.03 | Rydekull | uovobw: are you running unstable or testing? |
| 20:46.17 | davidWork | I made a mistake. I am actually running centos on this server. |
| 20:46.22 | Rydekull | hah |
| 20:46.23 | Rydekull | :-D |
| 20:46.27 | Rydekull | Funny |
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| 20:46.34 | Vasistha | I have purchased a special external keyboard, and it is not sending the expected keycodes. Instead of code 158 (for "Back") it is sending Alt_L + Left (56 + 105) |
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| 20:46.52 | uovobw | davidWork: sid, latest sid |
| 20:46.53 | Rydekull | davidWork: nevertheless. im still curious, the channel might not be |
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| 20:47.04 | uovobw | sorry, Rydekull : sid, latest sid |
| 20:47.12 | Vasistha | and likewise for forward/right. how can I get to the bottom of this? Is udev doing something here? |
| 20:47.13 | Rydekull | uovobw: dont worry, I got it |
| 20:47.17 | grimeton | uovobw: 32bit or 64bit? |
| 20:47.17 | Rydekull | creates a unstable vm |
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| 20:47.35 | grimeton | Rydekull: already did that and it's not producing the error |
| 20:47.36 | uovobw | grimeton: i have one i386 and one amd64, same results |
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| 20:47.53 | davidWork | Rydekull: I am not sure what you are asking for |
| 20:48.14 | davidWork | Rydekull: openssh-server-5.3p1-84.1.el6.x86_64 |
| 20:48.18 | Rydekull | davidWork: Well, if you're running CentOS, #debian will probably not be so interested :-) |
| 20:48.31 | davidWork | thanks for you help anyway |
| 20:48.38 | Rydekull | davidWork: I am however :-P |
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| 20:48.52 | Rydekull | davidWork: so, move to #centos ? :-) |
| 20:49.24 | DammitJim | I'm trying to organize my code... about to put a cronjob that runs as root |
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| 20:49.31 | DammitJim | but this job calls a python script |
| 20:49.36 | DammitJim | where should I put the python script? |
| 20:49.46 | DammitJim | first I thought /bin but that's probably not the right place |
| 20:50.00 | DammitJim | where should I put it? It's a script and a module. Just looking for a home |
| 20:50.33 | grimeton | uovobw: can you run pam-auth-update --force and test again? |
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| 20:51.57 | rryoumaa | DammitJim: the traditional place is /usr/local/bin, it hink |
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| 20:52.33 | grimeton | davidWork: /usr/local/sbin if it runs as root |
| 20:52.35 | DammitJim | I'm reading that if it is for root, it should be in /usr/sbin |
| 20:52.47 | Rydekull | DammitJim: My reasoning: If its on one machine. Just one. put it in /usr/local/ somewhere. If you're going to package it, or spread it to other machines, via a tar-ball or whatever, opt for /opt |
| 20:52.57 | rryoumaa | i think that's only if it is /only/ for root, and it is for the system, not for you |
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| 20:53.21 | DammitJim | yeah, sounds like I should just put it in /usr/local/sbin |
| 20:53.27 | DammitJim | (there is nothing there now) |
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| 20:53.31 | DammitJim | and it's only for this machine |
| 20:53.41 | rryoumaa | i like Rydekull's approach, though i don't know fhs's comments on opt atm |
| 20:53.42 | DammitJim | if I ssh'd into a machine as one user |
| 20:53.47 | DammitJim | then I su to root |
| 20:53.53 | DammitJim | how can I see the set PATH for root? |
| 20:54.05 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: echo $PATH |
| 20:54.47 | DammitJim | it's weird 'cause I can't run lsof |
| 20:54.59 | DammitJim | I have to do /usr/bin/lsof |
| 20:55.10 | DammitJim | vs when I am logged in to a machine as root from the beginning, I don't have this problem |
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| 20:56.04 | grimeton | DammitJim: how do you su to root? |
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| 20:56.11 | DammitJim | just su |
| 20:56.14 | grimeton | DammitJim: do su - |
| 20:56.22 | DammitJim | what does the - do? |
| 20:56.31 | ectospasm | uses the login environment |
| 20:56.37 | DammitJim | sweet, dude! |
| 20:56.38 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 20:56.52 | grimeton | DammitJim: it runs the shell as a login shell and reinitializes the environment as if it was a direct logon |
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| 20:56.57 | DammitJim | much better.. now I can see that the PATH /usr/local/sbin is set for root! |
| 20:57.01 | uovobw | grimeton: doing that but i am a bit scared of losing the machine, i do not have console access to the machine |
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| 20:57.19 | grimeton | uovobw: the command generates the /etc/pam.d/common* files new |
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| 20:58.31 | Ludovik | As someone who is looking to start using Linux as a second boot, I had a question about partitioning. I've read a few things and was looking for input. Basically, I have two partitions empty: one 17.20 on a SSD and a 19.53 on a HDD. I have no idea what the best "scheme" would be for these. |
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| 20:58.54 | uovobw | grimeton: it still fails |
| 20:59.03 | grimeton | uovobw: still getting the pam error? |
| 20:59.52 | Sevet | Ludovik: depends what you want to speed up |
| 20:59.53 | grimeton | Ludovik: put the system on the empty partition on the ssd and put everything in this one partition |
| 20:59.53 | ectospasm | Ludovik: I recommend that you put /home on the HDD, and everything else (i.e. '/' or "root") on the SSD |
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| 21:00.02 | grimeton | Ludovik: later on you can still use the hdd as storage space |
| 21:00.27 | Rydekull | DammitJim: you should always do "su -" and never just "su" |
| 21:00.42 | ectospasm | Ludovik: or you may want to leave a slice for a shared partition between your other OS... NTFS or VFAT can help with that. |
| 21:00.50 | DammitJim | thanks Rydekull I'll excercise my muscle memory to remember that |
| 21:01.06 | marlinc | Is there a way to get the username of the user who logged in when using pam_motd which updates the motd. I'm using it to show some user specific things |
| 21:01.08 | Ludovik | Thanks grimeton, ectospasm, Sevet. What about creating seperate partitions for /usr /var etc? I am a bit of a backup nut. |
| 21:01.09 | uovobw | grimeton: yes |
| 21:01.13 | Sevet | Ludovik: you could also put your system on the hdd and just keep the stuff you want to speed up (databases etc) on the ssd |
| 21:01.28 | ectospasm | Ludovik: unless you're using this as a server, there's no need to do that. |
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| 21:01.41 | grimeton | uovobw: did you uncomment the pam_loginuid.so file in /etc/pam.d/sshd > |
| 21:01.45 | grimeton | ? |
| 21:01.53 | grimeton | eeer s/uncomment/comment out/ |
| 21:01.57 | ectospasm | ...and having separate slices for /var, /usr, etc. just mean more hoops to backup stuff. |
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| 21:02.28 | Ludovik | Awesome, I'll just go Root / Home and work from there. I'm excited to get started. Got Sobell's Practical Guide to Linux and a three-week vacation to get started. |
| 21:02.29 | ectospasm | ...and ~20GB on each empty partition is rather small |
| 21:02.32 | uovobw | grimeton: there is no such line... |
| 21:03.04 | grimeton | uovobw: i can't reproduce the problem on my sid machine, so i wonder where it comes from |
| 21:03.14 | grimeton | uovobw: can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i pam somewhere? |
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| 21:03.24 | Ludovik | Ecospasm: I could shrink or expand those sizes, my Win7 machine and storage are on NTFS without all of the space used. |
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| 21:03.34 | Ludovik | Damnit. Ectospasm. |
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| 21:04.19 | sksk | how long time dure debian instalation on average? |
| 21:04.21 | ectospasm | Ludovik: like I was saying, you could have a shared NTFS partition, that both Win7 and Debian could use. |
| 21:04.22 | Ludovik | Is 17GB a little large for the root system? |
| 21:04.24 | uovobw | grimeton: http://pastebin.com/ss5ivnUP |
| 21:04.37 | ectospasm | sksk: depends on how many packages you're installing, your network connection, etc. |
| 21:04.45 | Ludovik | Yeah Ectospasm, I have an NTFS drive with all my storage stuff on it. |
| 21:04.46 | ectospasm | Ludovik: that's about right |
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| 21:05.23 | Ludovik | Thanks for the help (etctospasm , et all). I'm off to embark on my Debian adventure. |
| 21:05.25 | grimeton | uovobw: hm, interesting, only difference is that i run 64bits |
| 21:05.27 | ectospasm | Ludovik: I'm only using 17GB of my 30GB /, so... |
| 21:05.30 | sksk | ectospasm: if i install with cd and basic instalation |
| 21:05.42 | ectospasm | sksk: define "basic" |
| 21:05.55 | sksk | without desktop |
| 21:05.58 | raz0 | so.. I have a new laptop with Win8 and UEFI stuff. When I get to the point in netinst where grub is supposed to be installed, I just get 'grub-install dummy failed' |
| 21:06.05 | uovobw | grimeton: sorry -> http://pastebin.com/r8nnb0XN the same on a 64bit server ... |
| 21:06.07 | ectospasm | If you don't choose any of the tasks (e.g. desktop environment, etc.) it will take about 15min depending on your system. |
| 21:06.09 | raz0 | any experienced this? got some pointers? |
| 21:06.26 | raz0 | I have literally been trying for 8 hours to get this working :( |
| 21:06.30 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell raz0 about uefi |
| 21:06.32 | grimeton | uovobw: on the 64bits machine it's 1.1.3-7.1 and not 1.1.3-9 like i have |
| 21:07.08 | grimeton | uovobw: http://pastebin.com/753aNkNB |
| 21:07.19 | uovobw | grimeton: sorry, i downgraded that! on 64bit it's the same! the only difference i get is from the openssh-server package |
| 21:07.21 | sksk | thks ectospasm |
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| 21:08.43 | grimeton | uovobw: pastebin dpkg -l somewhere |
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| 21:09.04 | grimeton | uovobw: dpkg -l | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 21:09.10 | grimeton | on the 64bits machine |
| 21:09.52 | raz0 | ectospasm: yeah, I saw that; not very informative |
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| 21:10.03 | uovobw | grimeton: please note that the machine have the stable version of openssh, i have reinstalled them twice by now :) |
| 21:10.27 | uovobw | grimeton: http://sprunge.us/jDJg |
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| 21:11.39 | uovobw | grimeton: also i need to have them working by tomorrow evening as replicated zookeeper nodes, so sorry but i'll be keeping the packages at that version for remote acces. i opened the debian bug report as 726661 , feel free to contribute |
| 21:12.21 | grimeton | uovobw: the thing is: i can't even reproduce the problem |
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| 21:14.27 | uovobw | grimeton: that is very bad news...i get that very easily from a wheezy 7.1 clean install -> change sources.list to unstable -> upgrade * -> locked out. downgrade openssh-server, everything works again... |
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| 21:14.48 | uovobw | if you cannot reproduce i fear it might be related to the different image my vps-company MIGHT be using |
| 21:14.57 | uovobw | in that case i will be opening a ticket to them as well |
| 21:15.22 | grimeton | ah, 7.1 install - i remember having a broken ssh daemon after upgrading from a wheezy image to sid without installing something during setup |
| 21:15.25 | grimeton | but i can't remember what it was |
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| 21:17.06 | grimeton | uovobw: did you select anything in tasksel during setup? |
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| 21:18.00 | uovobw | grimeton: i _delected_ everything |
| 21:18.05 | uovobw | basic minimal server |
| 21:18.19 | grimeton | you selected everything? |
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| 21:19.15 | uovobw | no, i un-selected, de-selected |
| 21:19.19 | uovobw | removed, not-selected |
| 21:19.29 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys anyone know i tried to make a SSH Key that is 4096 bit, but instead it says that it made 4112 bit is that normal? i knwo this is offtopic, i just need some quick help and am supoer confused |
| 21:19.46 | grimeton | uovobw:ok, tasksel empty |
| 21:19.50 | grimeton | that's what i remember too |
| 21:21.17 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Where does it say 4112? |
| 21:21.37 | Psil0Cybin | when i go to Password and keys, i right click on the SSH key and go to Details |
| 21:21.38 | Psil0Cybin | and it shows it |
| 21:21.51 | Psil0Cybin | i tried using gpg --list-keys but |
| 21:21.55 | Psil0Cybin | it does not show me the SSH Key |
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| 21:21.59 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Never trust anything a GUI tells you. |
| 21:22.23 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: DId you import it to gpg? |
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| 21:22.35 | Psil0Cybin | no |
| 21:22.37 | Psil0Cybin | i used the GUI |
| 21:22.58 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: A GUI to generate the ssh key? |
| 21:23.49 | Psil0Cybin | yea it comes with Xubuntu called Password & Keys |
| 21:23.51 | Psil0Cybin | its in the settings |
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| 21:24.02 | Psil0Cybin | should i use the ssh-key command isntead |
| 21:24.03 | Psil0Cybin | ? |
| 21:24.30 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Well, if you're lucky, it put the key in ~/.ssh/, and you can see it there, and use openssh tools to get details on it. |
| 21:24.45 | Psil0Cybin | yea it did place it there |
| 21:24.53 | Psil0Cybin | how can i use openssh tools to get details on it |
| 21:24.58 | Psil0Cybin | i want to know its strength |
| 21:25.07 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Also, xubuntu != Debian, things are different, please see #ubuntu or #xubuntu. |
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| 21:26.50 | mablae | hello folks! |
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| 21:27.39 | mablae | I got some old Apple Mac Mini G4 1.4ghz and was wondering if it would be a good idea to run Linux on it... I dont like Mac OS or Apple... |
| 21:28.01 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: They will also be more familiar with the GUI tools, many of which are custom ubuntu code. |
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| 21:28.19 | grimeton | mablae: isn't this still a powerpc one? |
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| 21:28.27 | jhutchins | !ppc |
| 21:28.28 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:29.40 | mablae | grimeton, yes it is... An Intel one I wouldn't have to ask for ... :) |
| 21:29.55 | grimeton | mablae: then check what dpkg just told you |
| 21:29.58 | mablae | That would be already be running Linux... ! |
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| 21:31.00 | mablae | grimeton, does that mean I cannot install through CD ? |
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| 21:31.13 | grimeton | mablae: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 21:31.23 | grimeton | mablae: but read about it first, use google |
| 21:31.41 | mablae | ^ I had found the above too... That should work? |
| 21:32.04 | mablae | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.05 | grimeton | mablae: booting is a bit special on macs, i don't know if those old ones use uefi or some other stuff to come up |
| 21:32.22 | mablae | I dont think they have uEFI already |
| 21:32.38 | mablae | The build date was 2002 I think ? |
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| 21:33.02 | grimeton | mablae: hm yeah, older macs carry drivers for their harddrives in the first sectors of the filesystem they boot from so that the kernel can load and execute them - it's a bit tricky sometimes |
| 21:33.41 | mablae | So I cannotjust erase whole disk ? |
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| 21:33.55 | grimeton | mablae: as i said before: i'm not sure and you should read about it first |
| 21:33.56 | GiBa_afk | hi guys |
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| 21:35.11 | GiBa_afk | i have this source code with the debian dir on it. this is not in the repos so i cant go apt-get source or build-dep . so, in order to debian/rules debian to compile i need to install the deps. is there any way to query the build deps from this debian directory? |
| 21:35.47 | zhr0 | http://i.imgur.com/YgbM2Tx.png why it leaves 2m unused grrr? |
| 21:36.00 | grimeton | GiBa_afk: run dpkg-buildpackage in the directory above the debian directory and check for errors |
| 21:36.19 | grimeton | zhr0: calculation stuff - multiple of something doesn't line up with your drive |
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| 21:36.41 | GiBa_afk | grimeton: perfect! that is what i needed thanks! |
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| 21:40.25 | Rydekull | grimeton, uovobw: if you guys are curious, davidWork had a pam-module called PAM-hulk that was messing with him. No 'bug' as such. |
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| 21:40.41 | davidWork | its part of cpanel |
| 21:40.49 | grimeton | Rydekull: i'm still not able to reproduce it, but i remember something that i hit months ago |
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| 21:40.52 | grimeton | still working on it |
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| 21:41.25 | zhr0 | debian takes too much time to install |
| 21:41.34 | Rydekull | grimeton: Reproducing a non-issue? Seems like hard work. Good luck |
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| 21:43.28 | Rydekull | grimeton: I'd suggest doing a: touch /etc/pam_debug /var/log/debug ; echo "*.debug /var/log/debug" >> /etc/rsyslog.conf ; service rsyslog restart |
| 21:43.42 | Rydekull | grimeton: and check /var/log/debug for further info, if you do manage to reproduce it |
| 21:44.22 | Rydekull | grimeton: whatever 'it' is. Considering it was not a 'bug' :-) |
| 21:44.45 | davidWork | Thanks everyone for your help. |
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| 21:47.20 | zhr0 | ubuntu takes me +-8m to install debian gnome takes me 32m |
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| 21:48.09 | MrMonkey31 | heigh ho, #debian |
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| 21:49.04 | jhutchins | zhr0: Buy faster hardware, uses something lighter than gnome. |
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| 21:49.38 | jhutchins | zhr0: For a comparison, install Windows. |
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| 21:50.12 | dondelelcaro | zhr0: do you mean the mirrors are slow? Or what? |
| 21:50.16 | jhutchins | I wonder how long that takes these days, including Office and all the patches. |
| 21:50.24 | Rydekull | zhr0: planned to reinstall your computer alot or where is the issue? |
| 21:50.28 | phy1729 | jhutchins: I can install windows in 10min; it's the updates that take >1.5 hours |
| 21:50.29 | zhr0 | mirrors are ok |
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| 21:51.19 | jhutchins | phy1729: I know I timed an ubuntu boot on an old Dell with 1M RAM, and it's 45sec to login, 30 to fully loaded (no more disk thrash). |
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| 21:51.25 | zhr0 | my friend told me he installs debian in less than 15m then he told me he doesnt select any software if i do a normal gnome install takes me 32minutes... |
| 21:51.37 | zhr0 | slow... |
| 21:51.37 | jhutchins | phy1729: My newer laptop with XP takes 10+ minutes or more. |
| 21:51.45 | Rydekull | zhr0: I dont mean to have a bad attitude. But, I install my debian machines in less then 2 minutes. Its either your connectivity, your media or your computer you have an issue with |
| 21:52.04 | Jonuz | I reinstalled gnome-shell, how can I take it back to use? |
| 21:52.08 | Jonuz | I can't choose it in loging |
| 21:52.11 | Rydekull | zhr0: And I dont see why it's even a problem. You dont have to install your computer that often |
| 21:52.12 | phy1729 | zhr0: if you just want a fast reinstall you can get OpenBSD under 5min |
| 21:52.40 | zhr0 | openbsd hmmm.... |
| 21:52.56 | Rydekull | zhr0: what you can do is to try another mirror. But still, I dont really see the problem |
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| 21:53.41 | zhr0 | mirrors are ok, problem is install time i think is big |
| 21:53.55 | TrinnyXXX | Hello I'm trying to get libc6 package > v2.15 |
| 21:54.12 | TrinnyXXX | but synaptic package manager is saying that the latest version is 2.13 |
| 21:54.23 | zhr0 | Rydekull, but you select how much software? |
| 21:54.30 | Rydekull | zhr0: Im not gonna debate this further. This will be my last say on the matter. But "mirrors are ok" are in no way an analysis. |
| 21:54.36 | Rydekull | zhr0: no, never. |
| 21:54.45 | TrinnyXXX | how do i update the latest version of libc6 on debian? |
| 21:54.48 | Rydekull | zhr0: I apt-get what I need. |
| 21:54.49 | jhutchins | ,versions libc6 |
| 21:54.50 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-93; sid: 2.17-93 |
| 21:54.54 | zhr0 | ok |
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| 21:55.26 | Rydekull | heads to bed |
| 21:55.30 | TrinnyXXX | How can I upgrade to jessie? |
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| 21:56.26 | jhutchins | TrinnyXXX:jessie is testing and not officially released yet, it does not get security support and may be broken for extended periods. You may want to consider a dual boot with stable to fall back to when testing breaks. |
| 21:56.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell TrinnyXXX -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 21:57.12 | zhr0 | Rydekull how much time it takes you to install a debian gnome? ubuntu takes me like 8m |
| 21:57.29 | sross | msg dpkg help |
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| 21:58.43 | sross | well, then |
| 21:58.55 | Vasistha | I have purchased a special external keyboard, and it is not sending the expected keycodes. Instead of code 158 (for "Back") it is sending Alt_L + Left (56 + 105) ... (likewise for forward/right). How can I get to the bottom of this? Is udev doing something here? |
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| 21:59.20 | sross | can't remember how to get dpkg to tell me the right lines for sources.list |
| 21:59.38 | zhr0 | Rydekull is it normal these timings? |
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| 21:59.55 | dondelelcaro | sross: /msg dpkg listvals sources.list; or similar will give you the information |
| 22:00.03 | sross | thx dondelelcaro |
| 22:00.33 | daju | Hi, I'm having 'package power limit notification' popping in my syslog does this means that my cpu is overheating? |
| 22:00.42 | zhr0 | i´m installing from dvd |
| 22:00.54 | sross | actually, there was some thing it spit out the other day that was like "sources.list only needs these 4 lines" or somesuch |
| 22:01.14 | sross | nvm |
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| 22:05.38 | Jonuz | How can I add gnome-shell back to desktop environment options in login? |
| 22:05.46 | grimeton | sross: sources list only needs this: deb http://ftp.$country.debian.org/debian/ $distro main contrib non-free |
| 22:06.04 | grimeton | sross: and if you need sources too: deb-src http://ftp.$country.debian.org/debian/ $distro main contrib non-free |
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| 22:08.09 | MrMonkey31 | speaking of source, I want to ask this: what's up with kernel headers? are those like partial kernel source code? |
| 22:08.25 | Twinkletoes | I can't reboot my system... reboot, or shutdown -r doesn't work, it just puts a message in syslog saying shutting down |
| 22:08.26 | grimeton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.29 | Twinkletoes | Is there any way I can reboot this>? |
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| 22:09.14 | MrMonkey31 | grimeton, so technically speaking, a package which contains a subset of all the source files that constitute a self contained kernel? |
| 22:09.38 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: you can mess with the sysrq trigger ... |
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| 22:10.11 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: write a s to /proc/sysrq-trigger to syng the drive buffers to disc and then sent a b |
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| 22:10.17 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: that resets the system |
| 22:10.19 | MrMonkey31 | (I'm a 9 month linux noob. almost got my linux-stubble that I can scratch proprietary OS users with) |
| 22:10.30 | MrMonkey31 | grins |
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| 22:11.07 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: Thanks for that... in fact I tried doing a "sync" 30 seconds ago and it sitll hasn't returned to a prompt yet |
| 22:11.19 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: sounds like a broken drive? |
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| 22:11.28 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: come again? |
| 22:11.32 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: vmware... I douubt it |
| 22:11.59 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: so why is the whole thing hanging then? |
| 22:12.03 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: dmesg? |
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| 22:12.26 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: Ah, the kernel has panicked |
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| 22:12.41 | MrMonkey31 | I'm asking what "kernel headers" essentially are |
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| 22:13.40 | MrMonkey31 | I thought a package would be built around a kernel image. the "vmlinuz" (lol what's a linuz?) |
| 22:13.42 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: the definition of vars, constants, functions and other stuff that is used by the kernel at runtime is defined in the headers (files ending in .h) while the content of the functions is defined in files ending in .c |
| 22:13.58 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: so if you want to build a module for the kernel later you need those .h files that contain the definitions |
| 22:14.05 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: they are called .headers |
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| 22:14.13 | grimeton | that's a pretty basic explanation but should do the trick |
| 22:14.47 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: i guess there's nothing left but a echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 22:14.51 | Ludovik | Back! Have successfully installed Debian and everything seems to work except for whatever reason my resolution is stuck in 1994. |
| 22:15.39 | MrMonkey31 | grimeton: alright, guess that ain't hard :> |
| 22:15.54 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: Yeah, I think it will be OK - it's not critical - the machine doesn't store any data... but I just like to do things the proper way |
| 22:16.30 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger ain't the proper way |
| 22:17.04 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: but I've done it anyway... it's nice to know there's a way to kick it even when it's 100's of miles away |
| 22:17.24 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: Wikipedia has a nice page in it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 22:17.31 | MrMonkey31 | now I'm gonna have to learn me some python, and then build a module or two! |
| 22:17.38 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: yeah i know the sysrq key and what it does |
| 22:17.47 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: yeah, go for it |
| 22:18.21 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: I know *you* do... but other might be watching... I quite often jus tsit and watch what peopel are saying, and learn :) |
| 22:18.29 | Twinkletoes | grimeton: And it's worked - thank you very much! :) |
| 22:19.36 | grimeton | Twinkletoes: read Documentation/sysrq.txt in the kernel source directory for further info |
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| 22:20.15 | Twinkletoes | WIll do p thanks :) |
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| 22:23.14 | ll_ | is there any way to check if my email address has been blacklisted by the bug tracking system? i couple of weeks ago i tries to subscribe to a bug, and got no response after my initial email. yesterday i tried to report a bug using reportbug, received the submission mail, and then got no response from the bug tracking system. and my reported bug hasn't appeared on the package's page. |
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| 22:23.56 | grimeton | reportbug uses the mailserver on the local machine |
| 22:24.04 | grimeton | did you check that the mail isn't still in the queue? |
| 22:24.35 | ll_ | grimeton: i've set it to use my isp's smtp server, and i can see in the email headers that it was sent via them. |
| 22:24.58 | grimeton | ll_: so your mail was sent and you got an answer? |
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| 22:25.13 | ll_ | grimeton: my mail was sent to me, at least. no answer. |
| 22:25.20 | grimeton | ll_: to yourself? |
| 22:25.28 | ll_ | i assume reportbug adds a bcc to the sender. |
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| 22:25.33 | grimeton | ll_: haha, that will always work - did you configure authentication for the smtp server? |
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| 22:25.58 | ll_ | grimeton: what will always work? |
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| 22:26.31 | grimeton | ll_: sending an email to yourself on an mta that is responsible for your address |
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| 22:26.37 | grimeton | without authenticating |
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| 22:27.02 | ll_ | grimeton: i'm not using my isp for my email address, just for sending. |
| 22:27.13 | grimeton | ll_: so you configured smtp auth? |
| 22:27.34 | ll_ | grimeton: no auth. it's not supported, they accept anything from their network. |
| 22:27.46 | ll_ | grimeton: i use it for my regular email client as well so i know that it works. |
| 22:28.10 | grimeton | ll_: hm, then i have no idea |
| 22:28.50 | andrej | I'm trying to set-up a dual screen solution (laptop w/ intel 945 chipset) and a VGA monitor. I don't want xinerama / extended desktop, but two independent X screens. How do I do that? :) I spent a whole day on googling, manually clobbering xorg.conf files, but just can't seem to get a working solution outside an "xtended desktop", which the machine does out of the box |
| 22:29.31 | grimeton | andrej: configure two x configs, hand the X server the config that you want it to use and then start the displays on different addresses like :0 and :1 |
| 22:29.52 | grimeton | andrej: sometimes it's enough to run startx :1 for the 2nd x server |
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| 22:30.02 | andrej | grimeton : duh ... why didn't I think of that |
| 22:30.05 | grimeton | andrej: but you still have to tell it which keyboard/mouse to use and such |
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| 22:30.29 | grimeton | andrej: did i miss a sarcasm flag there? |
| 22:30.40 | andrej | Nope |
| 22:30.47 | andrej | I've become stupid over time |
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| 22:31.04 | andrej | 12 years ago I had this set-up going no problem |
| 22:31.13 | Circuitsoft | Are you sure that i945 supports dual independent displays? |
| 22:31.15 | andrej | new versions of xorg have made me lazy |
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| 22:31.34 | andrej | Circuitsoft : no, I'm not certain |
| 22:31.43 | andrej | Could there be a driver limitation? |
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| 22:31.46 | fjsafjka | where can I monitor cpu temp ? (what file is it?) |
| 22:31.52 | Circuitsoft | I think two independent X displays will require two separate PCI devices. |
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| 22:31.56 | Circuitsoft | Check lspci to see if it's there. |
| 22:32.16 | grimeton | andrej: eer, there is an onboard and one offboard card, right? |
| 22:32.17 | Circuitsoft | fjsafjka: /sys/class/hwmon/something_or_other/temp<something>_input |
| 22:32.49 | andrej | grimeton : I didn't rip the laptop apart, but I assume it's the same device with two heads |
| 22:32.52 | peterS | Circuitsoft: two X _servers_ will require independent graphics chips, I guess, but two X _screens_ does not |
| 22:32.57 | andrej | lspci only shows one VGA adapter |
| 22:33.18 | peterS | he just said he wants two screens, which is to say, one X server, one xdm, one keyboard + mouse, etc. |
| 22:33.42 | andrej | Yah, this isn't trying to do multi-seat |
| 22:33.46 | grimeton | peterS: yeah, independent |
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| 22:33.53 | Circuitsoft | I got the impression he wants to X displays. |
| 22:34.02 | grimeton | me too |
| 22:34.05 | Circuitsoft | So, DISPLAY=:0.0 and DISPLAY=:0.1 |
| 22:34.10 | andrej | I just want the terminals on one screen to be static when I switch desktops on the large external screen |
| 22:34.26 | grimeton | andrej: you want a windowmanager that does that trick ;) |
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| 22:34.37 | peterS | Circuitsoft: well that's two screens, not two X servers, so it does not require independent PCI chips |
| 22:34.49 | peterS | at least, it doesn't require it for me (: |
| 22:35.20 | peterS | there's still of course the question of whether the VGA chip can manage multiple framebuffers that aren't tied to each other. but on a typical laptop I'd think that would be a baseline feature |
| 22:35.31 | Circuitsoft | There was a suggestion above that he run startx twice. |
| 22:35.44 | peterS | yeah it doesn't sound like that's what he wants |
| 22:36.25 | ll_ | doh! my email address is mail@<myname>.net, and apparently the bug tracker's procmail tags that as being sent by a daemon and rejects it. |
| 22:36.41 | Circuitsoft | peterS: In ServerLayout of xorg.conf, list multiple Screen lines. |
| 22:36.46 | ll_ | i suppose i have to set up an alias and use that for bugs. |
| 22:37.17 | peterS | andrej: my own setup where I have 3 X screens looks like http://paste.debian.net/59036/ |
| 22:37.42 | andrej | grimeton : I used to have two independent fluxbox screens running on two screens, sharing a mouse and keyboard (unable to move apps from one to the other). |
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| 22:38.01 | andrej | Thanks peterS |
| 22:38.05 | grimeton | andrej: but? |
| 22:38.06 | peterS | andrej: no problem, good luck |
| 22:38.41 | andrej | that was w/ ati and /or NVIdia's in the past |
| 22:38.59 | Jonuz | Anyone has idea how can I get gnome3 back to desktop environment choices in login? |
| 22:39.30 | grimeton | andrej: yeah, but the screen layout should be independent of the underlying hardware/driver |
| 22:39.38 | Jonuz | I did apt-get remove gnome-shell and then apt-get install gnome-shell |
| 22:39.51 | peterS | grimeton: yeah but the configuration is not always independent of that |
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| 22:40.16 | ll_ | Jonuz: removing gnome-shell probably removed a couple of packages that depend on it as well. |
| 22:40.23 | ll_ | Jonuz: do you have gnome-session installed? |
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| 22:40.37 | grimeton | i'd still go for fluxbox in xinerama mode and then tell it to only switch desktops on the screen the mouse is located on |
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| 22:41.13 | peterS | I forget what bugged me about xinerama but there _was_ a reason I disabled it, and not because it didn't work |
| 22:41.30 | Jonuz | I didn't have it |
| 22:41.38 | Vasistha | I have purchased a special thinkpad external keyboard, and I'm not receiving the same keycodes as on my built-in thinkpad keyboard. Instead of code 158 (for "Back") it is sending Alt_L + Left (56 + 105) ... (likewise for forward/right). How can I get to the bottom of this? Is udev doing something here? |
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| 22:41.58 | Jonuz | When I type gnome-shell --replace in console gnome-shell will start |
| 22:42.07 | Jonuz | and seems like it's working wel |
| 22:42.08 | Jonuz | l |
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| 22:42.51 | ll_ | Jonuz: you need to install gnome-session, then. |
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| 22:43.33 | Jonuz | ok, ty |
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| 22:49.19 | grimeton | wuargh, intel gfx is sooo slow |
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| 23:02.09 | andrej | Thanks gents |
| 23:02.16 | andrej | I'll do some more playing around |
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| 23:32.25 | MrMonkey31 | I've got a pack-managin question: so build dependencies are or are NOT the same as run dependencies? |
| 23:32.40 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: if they were the same, would they have a different name? |
| 23:32.55 | grimeton | MrMonkey31: build dependencies usually include -dev packages that contain the headers |
| 23:34.11 | buu | MrMonkey31: And build tools like make and autoconf |
| 23:35.29 | MrMonkey31 | grimeton, so you saaaaaay.... but remember I'm only starting all this stuff. had to verify it. tyvm guys |
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| 23:36.38 | peterrooney | I'm wondering where build-deps are specified. It's not in apt-cache show <package>, for example. |
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| 23:37.05 | grimeton | peterrooney: it's in the debian sub directory of a source tree |
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| 23:37.50 | grimeton | in debian/control |
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| 23:40.25 | peterrooney | grimeton: so, to find out the build dependancies, you have to download source first? That doesn't make sense since I can call apt-get build-dep kdesudo (for example) and it does things right away. |
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| 23:42.11 | peterrooney | Found it! /var/lib/apt/lists/<repository>_Sources |
| 23:42.46 | grimeton | :) |
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| 23:56.28 | themill | peterrooney: apt-cache showsrc package. |
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