| 00:00.25 | stmiller | Real men use a gentoo chroot to install Debian! j/k |
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| 00:06.17 | sharky_ | stmiller, we can go deeper with linux from scratch |
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| 00:14.02 | jaami | lucide, fedora stopd working, had to download xchay again. soory, i lost the command, plz type agaion, thanks |
| 00:14.13 | jaami | xchat** |
| 00:14.19 | jaami | sorry** |
| 00:14.28 | jaami | again*** |
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| 00:15.02 | lucide | ok |
| 00:15.34 | lucide | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB |
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| 00:15.47 | lucide | and install Debian |
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| 00:16.15 | jaami | oh ok, i try |
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| 00:17.15 | buu | Dear debian, why doesn't my locally compiled program find a dynamic library in /usr/local/lib? |
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| 00:37.40 | sharky_ | buu, normally your $PATH should contain "/usr/local/lib", you can check it with $ echo $PATH , but does you program check that path? |
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| 00:39.13 | buu | ... path? |
| 00:39.21 | sharky_ | buu, there is reason for everything you just need to find out what is in your case |
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| 00:40.22 | sharky_ | buu, I am not sure if I can help you much with that, although I have programed in c and compiled a lot of programs |
| 00:40.59 | sharky_ | yeah the $PATH variable |
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| 00:41.54 | themill | no, not $PATH |
| 00:42.06 | themill | buu: what does "ldd /path/to/your/binary" say? |
| 00:42.27 | themill | buu: and how do you know it's not finding the locally compiled library? |
| 00:43.28 | sharky_ | yeah I was going to ask how is the program compiling without error if it can not find a library |
| 00:45.48 | buu | That's a much better question. |
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| 00:48.41 | MellySquire | hey guys |
| 00:49.01 | MellySquire | im having problem connecting thru putty to a debian server |
| 00:49.33 | MellySquire | it says Network Error: Permission Denied |
| 00:49.49 | MellySquire | any ideas how to rectify this? |
| 00:49.53 | jeep | putty from a windows computer ? |
| 00:49.58 | MellySquire | yup |
| 00:50.12 | MellySquire | ive tried reinstalling ssh in deb |
| 00:50.27 | MellySquire | but still no go, is there a network setting that im unaware of |
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| 00:50.32 | jeep | MellySquire, check the firewall ? can any other computers ssh inn ? |
| 00:51.03 | MellySquire | how do i check the firewall |
| 00:51.05 | jeep | MellySquire, does ssh localhost work if you have physical access |
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| 00:51.09 | MellySquire | sorry noob declaration |
| 00:51.31 | MellySquire | jeep: how do you ssh localhost? |
| 00:51.42 | MellySquire | just go to term and type in ssh? |
| 00:51.50 | jeep | MellySquire, is the debian computer at your location ? |
| 00:51.55 | MellySquire | yup |
| 00:52.05 | jeep | MellySquire, yeah ssh 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:52.13 | MellySquire | hang on trying now |
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| 00:53.52 | MellySquire | jeep: there seems to be an error |
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| 00:54.12 | jeep | whats the error ? |
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| 00:54.28 | jeep | did you install sshd ? |
| 00:54.48 | MellySquire | it says can'r establish because the authenticity of the host cannot be established |
| 00:54.59 | MellySquire | yup |
| 00:55.01 | MellySquire | i did |
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| 00:55.12 | jeep | oh thats working then |
| 00:55.17 | MellySquire | authenticity of localhost cant be established |
| 00:55.19 | MellySquire | yea |
| 00:55.34 | MellySquire | firewall then? |
| 00:55.41 | jeep | if you hit yet it asks for password ? |
| 00:55.45 | jeep | *yes |
| 00:56.27 | jeep | type yes hit enter .. should ask for pass make sure it lets you login |
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| 00:57.32 | MellySquire | it says write failed: Broken pipe |
| 00:58.02 | MellySquire | but this time when i tried to login again its asking for password |
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| 00:58.38 | MellySquire | jeep: but that still does not solve me not getting in thru putty |
| 00:58.49 | MellySquire | is it a firewall thing? |
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| 00:59.21 | themill | From what I can see, this error is a windows firewall problem |
| 00:59.22 | MellySquire | how to i get into the firewall and allow it to accept connecton from all local computers? |
| 00:59.26 | jeep | yeah look at your windows firewall just disable it see if putty works |
| 00:59.39 | reavengrey | broken pipe |
| 00:59.42 | reavengrey | call plumber |
| 00:59.44 | reavengrey | \o/ |
| 00:59.44 | MellySquire | ive totally disabled firewall on windows |
| 00:59.49 | MellySquire | lol |
| 01:00.13 | MellySquire | not a very bright confession on a channel full of hackers aye? |
| 01:00.29 | reavengrey | I'm a simple man |
| 01:00.34 | reavengrey | with a simple plan |
| 01:01.04 | MellySquire | man in simply complicated |
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| 01:02.09 | jeep | MellySquire, did you do a firewall on the debian box ? you can as root iptables --flush or iptables -F to remove all the rules |
| 01:02.44 | MellySquire | jeep: i did not do anything i just installed using the latest stable image burnt on 3 dvds |
| 01:02.46 | MellySquire | thats all |
| 01:03.38 | jeep | still smells like a windows issue .. try using putty on a different server |
| 01:04.19 | jirka_on_d | MellySquire> try "netstat -pan | grep ssh" (without quotes) on the ssh machine |
| 01:04.32 | jirka_on_d | *erm, debian machine |
| 01:04.37 | MellySquire | jeep: it works on another computer |
| 01:04.40 | MellySquire | as putty |
| 01:04.57 | MellySquire | so it was indeed this computer's issue |
| 01:05.05 | MellySquire | jeep++ |
| 01:05.08 | MellySquire | thanks! |
| 01:05.11 | jirka_on_d | MellySquire>great, solved |
| 01:05.28 | MellySquire | thanks alot guys |
| 01:05.32 | dvs | !blame windows |
| 01:05.32 | dpkg | blames JoshuaP and windows for the end of life as we know it |
| 01:05.46 | jeep | no problem no you just need to remove that windows and install debian on it too ;) |
| 01:05.52 | MellySquire | time to reboot computer to and put firewall back on |
| 01:06.04 | jirka_on_d | jeep: :) |
| 01:06.06 | MellySquire | haha |
| 01:06.13 | MellySquire | i will once i get used to it |
| 01:06.18 | MellySquire | soon i promise! |
| 01:06.24 | MellySquire | thanks guys! |
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| 01:09.41 | stuckinstalling | hey I have the rtl firmware on a windows partition and I want to use it as though I had put it on removable media, but this computer has no removable media except for the cd drive and I don't have a burner |
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| 01:10.06 | stuckinstalling | I'm able to mount the windows partition, how do I make the installer detect the .bin files to use them? |
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| 01:11.09 | stuckinstalling | I tried putting them in a directory I made at /media/drivers but it didn't see them |
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| 01:11.46 | jhutchins | stuckinstalling: Not gonna happen. |
| 01:11.55 | stuckinstalling | really? |
| 01:11.58 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 01:11.59 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 01:12.15 | stuckinstalling | I can't make a faux USB-stick looking thing? |
| 01:12.26 | stuckinstalling | what about "everything is a file" ? |
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| 01:13.22 | themill | stuckinstalling: how are you booting the installer at present? |
| 01:13.30 | stuckinstalling | via cd |
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| 01:13.38 | stuckinstalling | I had to go to my friends house to burn it :< |
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| 01:13.58 | dvs | stuckinstalling: shoulda burned the firmware ISO |
| 01:14.05 | jhutchins | If I run two DHCP servers, one with no scope, with the other one work for PXE? |
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| 01:14.32 | stuckinstalling | so I can't just plant the firmware myself even though I have access to the file? |
| 01:15.06 | qman__ | the installer environment is a lot different from an installed system |
| 01:15.16 | qman__ | if you can convince the debian installer to load your file, it'll work, otherwise not |
| 01:15.56 | stuckinstalling | ok, so I'm looking for a tip as to how to try to convince it to do so (even if it is certain to fail) |
| 01:15.59 | themill | stuckinstalling: yes, if you can mount that partition, you should be able to copy the firmware somewhere and have the resulting system find it at next boot |
| 01:16.12 | stuckinstalling | at next boot... I see |
| 01:16.28 | jhutchins | ,versions dnsmasq |
| 01:16.29 | judd | Package: dnsmasq on i386 -- squeeze: 2.55-2; wheezy: 2.62-3+deb7u1; jessie: 2.66-4; sid: 2.66-4 |
| 01:17.16 | themill | stuckinstalling: well, you could probably do it straight away, but that's not necessary -- if you've got the netinst image (or larger) then you've got everything you need to complete the install offline |
| 01:17.48 | qman__ | yeah, it's way easier to solve this post-install |
| 01:17.52 | stuckinstalling | ok I'll give it a crack |
| 01:17.55 | qman__ | if you can install even just a base system, do it |
| 01:18.04 | stuckinstalling | I thought I had to have working network to do the netinstall :P |
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| 01:20.56 | jhutchins | stuckinstalling: It'll be a pretty minimal install, but you should be able to get the firmware image on it then start installing packages. |
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| 01:24.21 | stuckinstalling | if it (apparently) hangs when resizing my ntfs partition, does that mean the partition is dirty? or does it just stay at 0% until it's completely done? |
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| 01:28.19 | qman__ | the progress bar does not count individual operation progress |
| 01:28.42 | qman__ | e.g. if there are three steps (resize ntfs, create new part, format ext3), it will go 0, 33, 67, 100 |
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| 01:29.21 | stuckinstalling | ok, thanks |
| 01:29.50 | stuckinstalling | this is a fairly ancient machine that was recently pulled out of storage, so I'm a little paranoid about disk failure |
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| 01:44.21 | staykov | hey - trying to install grub-efi-amd64 but doesnt work on wheezy |
| 01:44.30 | staykov | unmet dependencies |
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| 01:47.00 | Viking667 | 'llo all. What tool can I use to turn ascii (i.e. man pages) into tiff images (for testing text recognition) without going through cups? |
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| 01:50.29 | themill | Viking667: tools like a2ps can turn text into a ps file; then use imagemagick or ghostscript tools to turn the ps into a raster image |
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| 01:51.26 | Viking667 | ayup. Thanks... I've also got netpbm on board too. |
| 01:51.27 | themill | staykov: perhaps you could pastebin the command and the full output? |
| 01:51.29 | themill | dpkg: tell staykov about bat |
| 01:51.43 | themill | Viking667: yeah, there's lots of ways of doing this |
| 01:51.56 | Viking667 | thanks |
| 01:52.14 | Viking667 | I wasn't aware of the "number of ways"... just that I wanted to do it. |
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| 01:52.42 | themill | going via pdf or ps is probably easiest |
| 01:53.12 | Viking667 | hm. I was thinking of going straight to tiff, rather than through an intermediate set of three steps... |
| 01:53.21 | Viking667 | but I see i'll need to anyhow. |
| 01:53.23 | staykov | themill: im running it from a chroot if that makes a difference, on the live cd it seems to work fine |
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| 01:54.42 | themill | Viking667: you want something to lay out the text, do line wrapping etc. Most tools that can output raster images don't do that step particularly well. BTW a2ps and friends can normally deal with stdin/stdout so you don't need tempfiles |
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| 02:05.16 | Viking667 | simple lpr should do, shouldn't it? but then we're venturing back into cups territory. |
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| 02:05.49 | Viking667 | ah well. I'll see what a2ps does, then massage with gs afterwards. |
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| 02:20.30 | fishcooker | how to shred /home partition by the end of this months? |
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| 02:25.10 | jeep | fishcooker, the "will it blend" videos should help |
| 02:26.19 | reavengrey | ^ Highly recommend |
| 02:26.29 | mumpitzel | fishcooker: man at |
| 02:27.01 | mumpitzel | then just a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdaX bs=1M |
| 02:27.46 | jeep | what if he meant shared.. |
| 02:28.25 | MrMonkey31 | ...or if "/home partition" is what he calls his newest guitar track? |
| 02:28.43 | themill | !dban |
| 02:28.43 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq . See also <nwipe>. |
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| 02:33.45 | spacebison | Ooo! Apt-get says I have kernal update in the pipeline. There goes my 47 days of uptime. |
| 02:34.07 | fishcooker | *delete |
| 02:34.42 | themill | spacebison: uptime competitions are so 1996. |
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| 02:35.42 | spacebison | Naw. |
| 02:35.48 | jeep | cheaper to shutdown |
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| 02:35.57 | jeep | or suspend when not in use |
| 02:36.11 | spacebison | But then I wouldn't be able to seed my torrents. |
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| 02:37.01 | jeep | ah what are you sharing ? |
| 02:37.37 | spacebison | linux isos |
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| 02:38.21 | jeep | those are good to share |
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| 03:02.15 | paxcoder | aptitude safe-upgrade just broke |
| 03:02.19 | paxcoder | swell |
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| 03:04.19 | paxcoder | if they are introduced in repos, why aren't unsatisfied dependencies at least caught before leaving unstable? |
| 03:05.17 | themill | paxcoder: they are. Perhaps you could be less vague? |
| 03:05.42 | themill | What are you upgrading from and to? What's the output? |
| 03:05.59 | paxcoder | themill, i'm just trying to update packages |
| 03:06.24 | themill | ... |
| 03:06.36 | paxcoder | the output is problems while processing gnome-session (--configure) |
| 03:06.55 | jhutchins | paxcoder: presumably testing? |
| 03:06.55 | paxcoder | dependency problems |
| 03:07.03 | paxcoder | jhutchins, unstable |
| 03:07.21 | jhutchins | paxcoder: No, you can't run unstable. What is your base install? |
| 03:07.51 | themill | paxcoder: you talked about packages "leaving unstable" earlier. So which is it? testing or unstable/ |
| 03:07.52 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Yes, I would expect dependency problems for unstable packages at least 60% of the time. |
| 03:08.05 | paxcoder | jhulst, it is unstable. |
| 03:08.18 | paxcoder | jhulst, i downloaded the mini.iso from the unstable mirror subdir |
| 03:08.26 | paxcoder | and chose the unstable repos |
| 03:08.29 | jhutchins | Oh, well, for base packages in unstable only about 20-30% of the time. |
| 03:08.38 | jhutchins | paxcoder: You'll just have to wait for them. |
| 03:08.50 | themill | paxcoder: if you want help, please provide details. |
| 03:08.52 | paxcoder | jhutchins, yeah, it's pretty annoying |
| 03:08.53 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Do try to pay some attention to your tab completion. |
| 03:08.54 | themill | You should know the deal by now. |
| 03:09.04 | jhutchins | paxcoder: No, it's the way it's supposed to work. |
| 03:09.20 | jhutchins | paxcoder: sid is NOT intended as a working release, it's a staging repo. |
| 03:09.23 | paxcoder | jhutchins, what? |
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| 03:09.39 | paxcoder | there's experimental |
| 03:09.49 | paxcoder | i'd think at least dependencies should be worked out there |
| 03:09.50 | jhutchins | !experimental |
| 03:09.50 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 03:10.12 | jhutchins | paxcoder: It's there so that the dependencies and such can be worked out. |
| 03:10.39 | paxcoder | jhutchins, which one? |
| 03:10.56 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Packages in experimental are not intended for use, they are intended for bug finding and problem definition. |
| 03:11.29 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Really, if you want bleeding-edge breaky stuff run arch. |
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| 03:11.31 | paxcoder | jhutchins, i do report bugs. but if i can't install a packet, i can't find a bug, now can I? |
| 03:11.35 | themill | paxcoder: if you want a self-consistent set of package dependencies, you should be looking at testing not unstable. |
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| 03:11.56 | paxcoder | themill, testing's too old for me |
| 03:12.06 | themill | right... 10 days is a long time |
| 03:12.16 | jhutchins | paxcoder: So it's not ready yet. What part of experimental did you not understand? |
| 03:12.30 | paxcoder | jhutchins, the same argument can be made for testing |
| 03:12.33 | jhutchins | paxcoder: You should definitely not be running debian at all. |
| 03:12.45 | themill | paxcoder: well you've demonstrated that you don't understand enough about debian to be using unstable. |
| 03:12.48 | paxcoder | jhutchins, and by its extension, i should run ancient stable |
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| 03:13.25 | themill | paxcoder: let us know when you've got a support question |
| 03:13.47 | jhutchins | themill: I hope the recommendation of arch is not out of line, it is the best answer I have found for this desire. |
| 03:14.49 | jhutchins | themill: It's really difficult for me to recommend gentoo, althoug I think they tend to be about as bleedy. |
| 03:15.09 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Possibly lfs. |
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| 03:33.18 | themill | dpkg: tell paxcoder about bat |
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| 03:35.59 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/59376/ |
| 03:36.49 | fishcooker | this locale doesn't work well |
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| 03:37.43 | themill | fishcooker: looks like you need to "dpkg-reconfigure locales" on the remote machine there |
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| 03:41.37 | themill | dpkg: tell paxcoder about localised errors |
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| 03:51.06 | paxcoder | themill, so considering i ran aptitude dist-upgrade, output of what do you want? |
| 03:51.37 | themill | paxcoder: at this stage, "LANG=C apt-get -f install" should be enough to find the postinst that failed and tell us why |
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| 03:53.33 | paxcoder | themill, hmm but it didn't fail |
| 03:53.56 | paxcoder | and now it just says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 57 not upgraded. |
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| 03:54.17 | paxcoder | themill, actually, my bad |
| 03:54.18 | themill | ok, so try the dist-upgrade again |
| 03:54.22 | paxcoder | right. |
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| 03:54.42 | paxcoder | safe-upgrade, you mean |
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| 03:57.08 | paxcoder | themill, that went fine this time too... |
| 03:57.18 | paxcoder | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
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| 03:58.05 | themill | on some occasions, the postinst will succeed when run a second time. (It's a bug but we're unlikely to find it at this stage) |
| 03:58.24 | paxcoder | interesting. didn't know that. |
| 03:59.07 | paxcoder | themill, i'm grateful for your help, so thanks for that, but i'm not grateful for +q earlier |
| 03:59.37 | paxcoder | now i'll feel unsafe here :-/ |
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| 04:00.12 | themill | Let's make sure we stick to concise questions with lots of detail so that a 5 minute job takes 5 minutes and not an hour. |
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| 04:03.49 | stooj_ | I'd like to audit the packages installed on my system. Is there a way to get apt to output the source repository (which repository the package was downloaded from)? |
| 04:04.17 | themill | dpkg: tell stooj about which repo |
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| 04:04.40 | themill | stooj: you can find out which (if any) repo it can now be downloaded from -- that's not exactly the same thing |
| 04:05.09 | stooj | themill: That still sounds pretty good. |
| 04:05.54 | stooj | I've never noticed it being output to dpkg -l - I'll give that a crack. Much obliged! |
| 04:07.03 | stooj | Ah, because it doesn't come from dpkg... |
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| 04:11.55 | stooj | Perfect, thanks themill |
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| 05:17.31 | mamtina | hello ! |
| 05:17.32 | mamtina | why my ip on eth0 disappear after 5mn :(( |
| 05:17.35 | mamtina | ? |
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| 05:19.51 | paxcoder | johskar, ls -l /sbin/mount.ntfs |
| 05:20.30 | paxcoder | johskar, sry |
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| 05:32.59 | terminalRepeat | I just installed terminator (debian wheezy) and without even asking me, it decided to set it self up as the default x-terminal-emulator. I have debconf set to low. Can anyone confirm it ? |
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| 05:33.21 | terminalRepeat | Is that behaviour acceptable ?? |
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| 05:38.50 | MellySquire | hey guys |
| 05:39.22 | MellySquire | im trying to install swat for samba on my latest stable debian |
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| 05:39.33 | MellySquire | but bumped into an error |
| 05:39.49 | MellySquire | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of swat: swat depends on samba (= 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u1); however: Version of samba on system is 2:3.6.6-6. |
| 05:39.50 | dpkg | mellysquire: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 05:40.38 | MellySquire | looks the same to me |
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| 05:40.51 | MellySquire | anyone think otherwise? |
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| 05:42.38 | chrisoprase | Hi |
| 05:43.28 | chrisoprase | I need to change the rtl8192cu driver so it will recognise my usb adapter |
| 05:44.02 | chrisoprase | What's the best way to do it: install dkms and compile the driver, or compile the intire kernel with the new driver? |
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| 05:45.50 | MellySquire | unfortunately most gurus are now away... |
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| 05:46.32 | chrisoprase | damn timezones :P |
| 05:46.47 | MellySquire | where are you from? |
| 05:46.58 | chrisoprase | europe |
| 05:48.31 | paxcoder | chrisoprase, good answer. http://www.hondagrom.net/forums/attachments/1902d1377276096-hello-belgium-fireshot-screen-capture-006-europe-us-country-size-comparison-map-how-big-europe-compared.jpg (if you catch my drift) |
| 05:48.55 | paxcoder | Umm. Where's the rest of the Europe? |
| 05:49.32 | paxcoder | Better: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/ad9c4648cb7f9624588a3965da236489/tumblr_mq48lk6GzF1rasnq9o1_500.jpg |
| 05:51.08 | chrisoprase | Most muricans think europe is country anyway ;) |
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| 05:51.48 | rryoumaa | chrisoprase: it's not? then is it a province? |
| 05:51.56 | paxcoder | chrisoprase, -_- |
| 05:52.00 | MellySquire | lol |
| 05:52.01 | MellySquire | nice |
| 05:52.30 | MellySquire | anyone how to check if ldap is working? |
| 05:52.47 | MellySquire | im on wheezy btw |
| 05:53.23 | MellySquire | and 46kg btw, so i dont know why its wheezing anyways |
| 05:55.24 | paxcoder | Hope you're a child |
| 05:55.30 | paxcoder | I don't know LDAP, sorry |
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| 05:55.55 | paxcoder | But I bet people in #ldap do |
| 05:56.03 | paxcoder | MellySquire, ^ |
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| 05:57.38 | linux-fox | LDAP? |
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| 05:58.03 | MellySquire_ | nope not a child |
| 05:58.12 | MellySquire_ | if its a trick to get to reveal my age |
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| 05:58.14 | MellySquire_ | good one |
| 05:58.43 | paxcoder | It isn't. Hope you're really short then. Or you're too thin. |
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| 05:59.57 | MellySquire_ | im petite not short! |
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| 06:00.51 | paxcoder | I just hope you don't have anorexia. That's all. |
| 06:00.51 | MellySquire_ | oh well heels do me justice |
| 06:00.56 | MellySquire_ | nope |
| 06:00.59 | crabman | Can anybody remind me of the name of a program in debian repos which you can run before and after make installing something and it'll create deb package? |
| 06:01.05 | chrisoprase | MellySquire_: that's just french for short |
| 06:01.12 | MellySquire_ | im athletic.. |
| 06:01.18 | MellySquire_ | ah i see |
| 06:01.24 | MellySquire_ | so he is a frenchie eh |
| 06:01.51 | Dan39 | well lets see how this upgrade from wheezy to jessie went :D |
| 06:01.58 | MellySquire_ | lol fine |
| 06:02.00 | Dan39 | any recommendations? just finished the dist-upgrade |
| 06:02.02 | MellySquire_ | i know im short |
| 06:02.05 | Dan39 | its rebooting now :D |
| 06:02.44 | chrisoprase | I thought debian didnt need dist-upgrade |
| 06:02.52 | paxcoder | btw. that's #debian-offtopic, not #debian-ot |
| 06:03.22 | Dan39 | chrisoprase: o_O? |
| 06:03.33 | Dan39 | well dist-upgrade cant hurt, can it? <_< |
| 06:03.46 | chrisoprase | nope, true |
| 06:03.48 | Dan39 | you are being silly i think |
| 06:04.05 | chrisoprase | I never do it, only upgrade |
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| 06:04.25 | Dan39 | well give it a try and see |
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| 06:07.53 | chrisoprase | You're right, there's 4 more packages to install with dist-upgrade |
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| 06:21.14 | Guest22421 | Debian is cool |
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| 06:24.40 | tiron | anyone have any success installing some kind of working version of aceplayer that can actually properly open ace streams? |
| 06:25.14 | tiron | I found and installed acestream-engine, but I don't reckon it's actually meant to be used that way. wine failed also |
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| 06:49.31 | mamtina | hey! why my ip on eth0 is ignored after few minutes ? |
| 06:49.34 | mamtina | :(( |
| 06:51.04 | paxcoder | mamtina, i'm not sure what that means. Perhaps #networking can help? |
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| 06:53.28 | patriku | tiron: I needed to able to use ace streams, but instead of installing such application to my system I decided to run virtual machine with windows xp and installed it there. Wine might be sufficient too, but i had vm configured anyway. I just dont believe that the software from ace is worth to trust. |
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| 06:54.07 | tiron | patriku: hmm, interesting, yes, I thought that might be a last resort but I guess I'll give it a go if I can't find anything else. Thanks |
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| 07:00.49 | patriku | tiron: there are no disadvantages except few seconds (depending on your machine, full hw virtualization speed things up a lot) of waiting. I also think that they want their money invested in develompment, advertising and so on back some way, but I am not saying anything for sure. Dont have a proof. ;) You, as a free man, can decide otherwise. |
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| 07:03.37 | zz0 | A lot doubt on mount a debian cluster with pacemaker... i just read a lot... can anybody with some experience on it to give a little help? |
| 07:05.03 | zz0 | im actualy reading the cluster from scratch manual from clusterlabs.org but is on fedora version tutorial... |
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| 07:09.28 | FreezingCold | Don't murder me for this question, but does Debian or Ubuntu generally roll packages out first? |
| 07:10.25 | themill | FreezingCold: the vast majority of ubuntu's packages are directly imported from one of debian's development releases |
| 07:10.49 | FreezingCold | themill: see that's what I thought, I just saw someone claiming Ubuntu rolled out faster which seemed wrong to me |
| 07:11.08 | themill | well the packages might make it to a stable release sooner. |
| 07:13.57 | peterrooney | FreezingCold: ubuntu has a more flexible definition of stable |
| 07:14.13 | FreezingCold | peterrooney: hahaha |
| 07:14.20 | FreezingCold | yepp |
| 07:14.37 | FreezingCold | I've had less trouble with Arch Linux ironically |
| 07:15.46 | FreezingCold | unrelated question, is it true that mainline debian now supports arm? |
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| 07:17.21 | digdilem | it supports amd64 |
| 07:17.21 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.21 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.21 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:17.33 | digdilem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.37 | digdilem | oops |
| 07:19.05 | FreezingCold | digdilem: and that's not a fork/port at all? |
| 07:19.37 | digdilem | main repo debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 07:21.05 | themill | FreezingCold: arm archs have been completely and officially supported for several releases now |
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| 07:21.30 | FreezingCold | themill: so arm packages are updated the same time as x86/amd64? |
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| 07:21.56 | themill | sure. And the rest of the archs too |
| 07:22.28 | FreezingCold | interesting. So what's the excuse that other distros have like Arch? |
| 07:22.47 | FreezingCold | I remember hearing everyone complaining about how much extra work it would be |
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| 07:23.17 | themill | It is a fair amount of work to keep toolchain, kernel, $random packages all working across all the different archs |
| 07:23.22 | zz0 | peterrooney: unfortuly i dont know any stable version of ubuntu... ever... |
| 07:23.30 | themill | ,archs dpkg |
| 07:23.31 | judd | Package dpkg in wheezy: amd64 (1.16.12), armel (1.16.12), armhf (1.16.12), i386 (1.16.12), ia64 (1.16.12), kfreebsd-amd64 (1.16.12), kfreebsd-i386 (1.16.12), mips (1.16.12), mipsel (1.16.12), powerpc (1.16.12), s390 (1.16.12), s390x (1.16.12), sparc (1.16.12) |
| 07:23.35 | themill | FreezingCold: ^^ for instance |
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| 07:24.49 | FreezingCold | thanks judd |
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| 07:25.09 | bluesm_ | How to check the signal the program exits with ? |
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| 07:30.36 | digdilem | bluesm_, this may help; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6827837/accessing-errorlevel-from-bash-script |
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| 07:34.36 | digdilem | (in short, after your program, run: echo $? ") |
| 07:34.42 | digdilem | (without the extra quote) |
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| 07:40.26 | themill | note that's the "exit status" which is not a signal that is sent to a process |
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| 07:58.48 | bluesm_ | digdilem: So "$?" environmenal variable stores the last exit status in the current console session ? |
| 07:59.24 | drybjed | bluesm_: yes |
| 07:59.46 | bluesm_ | drybjed: It is called "$?" with question mark ? Strange ... |
| 08:00.09 | drybjed | bluesm_: there are stranger variables :) |
| 08:00.17 | drybjed | $# for example |
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| 08:01.33 | themill | The punctuation involved normally makes a bit of sense |
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| 08:02.46 | drybjed | bluesm_: check this out: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5163144/what-are-the-special-dollar-sign-shell-variables |
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| 08:19.05 | peterrooney | bluesm_: think of it as the variable for "what happened" and $? seem natural. |
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| 09:21.34 | tidux | what the hell is going on with fstrim in Debian? |
| 09:21.48 | tidux | did whoever's in charge of the kernel builds not enable FITRIM for ext4? |
| 09:22.06 | mumpitze1 | tidux: can't you look in your /boot/config* ? |
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| 09:23.32 | tidux | runs grep -r FITRIM /boot |
| 09:23.37 | tidux | no results |
| 09:23.55 | tidux | sighs |
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| 09:24.00 | tidux | time to file a kernel config bug I guess |
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| 09:31.23 | jubo2 | is there a way to totally erase contents of an USB stick... |
| 09:31.39 | tidux | dd |
| 09:31.51 | jubo2 | I used some dodgy ISO->USB program on Windows and now I can't format the stick bigger then 448kB |
| 09:32.06 | tidux | that's because you're trying to format the first partition |
| 09:32.28 | tidux | wipe the MBR on that stick and you can have access to the whole access the whole thing again |
| 09:33.48 | jubo2 | tidux: I have Debian6 and Win7 at my disposal |
| 09:34.09 | jubo2 | how do I empty the whole thing with dd ? |
| 09:35.02 | tidux | first of all upgrade the hell off of squeeze |
| 09:35.03 | tidux | it's old |
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| 09:35.21 | tidux | that's just general advice and has no bearing on how to wipe a USB stick |
| 09:35.34 | tidux | first, plug in your USB stick and see where it shows up in /dev |
| 09:35.44 | tidux | if you only have one internal hard drive it will probably be /dev/sdb |
| 09:36.21 | tidux | *the USB stick will probably be /dev/sdb |
| 09:36.51 | tidux | let's call it /dev/sdDERP for now |
| 09:37.01 | Nik05 | jubo2 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo |
| 09:37.04 | tidux | so then you run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdDERP |
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| 09:39.59 | jubo2 | yeah it's sdb ( there are /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 |
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| 09:40.07 | tidux | the 1 and 2 are partitions |
| 09:40.38 | tidux | by writing zeros to the raw device, you wipe out whatever damage Windows did |
| 09:40.40 | jubo2 | so I 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' |
| 09:40.54 | Nik05 | then everything get deleted |
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| 09:41.03 | Nik05 | but you dont really need to put everything to zero |
| 09:41.04 | jubo2 | that's exactly what I want |
| 09:41.16 | tidux | you don't need it |
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| 09:41.32 | tidux | you can just zap the first kilobyte of the disk to wipe the MBR |
| 09:41.36 | tidux | then partition it normally |
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| 09:42.47 | jubo2 | so I run 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' for a few seconds and ctrl-c ? |
| 09:43.05 | tidux | yeah |
| 09:43.12 | tidux | literally two or three seconds is all you need |
| 09:43.13 | jubo2 | 'k .. running it now |
| 09:44.45 | jubo2 | tnx. now it works. big thanks to tidux and Nik05 |
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| 09:46.14 | jubo2 | now copying Debian7 /w KDE to the stick with YUMI |
| 09:46.55 | Nik05 | just do dd if=debian7.iso of=/dev/foo ... |
| 09:47.28 | tidux | yeah |
| 09:47.33 | tidux | the isos are all hybrids these days |
| 09:47.39 | tidux | at least for Debian |
| 09:47.41 | jubo2 | Nik05: tnx for the tip |
| 09:47.54 | jubo2 | but the image file is on the Windows machine |
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| 09:53.54 | mumpitze1 | yumi only can deal with debian live cds. not with install cds |
| 09:54.20 | jubo2 | but I can install off of live CD right? |
| 09:54.31 | mumpitze1 | yes |
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| 09:59.19 | FreezingCold | Is there a Debian (native) version on the Nexus 7? |
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| 10:03.50 | jubo2 | I run "install Debian Wheezy" from the KDE start menu.. |
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| 10:04.17 | jubo2 | it just bounces the icon by the cursor for 20-30s and disappears |
| 10:04.41 | jubo2 | bummer. |
| 10:04.44 | xand | try using a regular install cd? |
| 10:04.56 | xand | or find out what command that runs, and do it from cli |
| 10:04.59 | sjamaan | I'm trying to install Debian on my iBook G4, using the official PowerPC CD |
| 10:05.09 | sjamaan | It's currently stuck at the "Scanning disks" phase of the installer (just before it will start the partitioner) |
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| 10:05.26 | sjamaan | Is it a known problem that this can hang, or take a very long time? |
| 10:05.39 | sjamaan | I rebooted and ran the installer again, and it's hanging at the same spot again (at 54%) |
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| 10:06.45 | sjamaan | I have the same problem with mintppc, but I have been able to succesfully install NetBSD |
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| 10:09.31 | jubo2 | I have currently only Gnome in the one I installed off the normal DVDs, how do I install/enable KDE ? |
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| 10:11.28 | themill | dpkg: tell jubo2 about install kde |
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| 10:13.47 | jubo2 | themill: Can I install KDE with aptitude after the installation of the OS is done? |
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| 10:14.22 | themill | sure. that's what dpkg said |
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| 10:16.25 | jubo2 | now I have the problem that the ethernet card is busted and for some reason WiFi is not available.. I think it complained something about WiFi when booting |
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| 10:19.04 | jubo2 | looking at the network settings there is not even a mention of WiFi anywhere.. |
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| 10:20.21 | Yellow | ? |
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| 10:22.26 | jubo2 | The WiFi works in Win7 |
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| 10:23.04 | drybjed | jubo2: have you tried running some livecd to see if Linux will support your wifi? |
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| 10:23.14 | jubo2 | Without Ethernet and WiFi I'm pretty snowed in |
| 10:23.23 | jubo2 | drybjed: I try that.. |
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| 10:24.22 | drybjed | jubo2: if Debian Installer won't support your wifi, you can install Debian anyway, then run a livecd, "enter" your Debian installation on disk and download needed packages/sources |
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| 10:25.42 | jubo2 | uh-oh.. |
| 10:26.03 | jubo2 | Wireless is greyed out when looking from Live CD |
| 10:26.13 | drybjed | what livecd? |
| 10:26.14 | jubo2 | I gather that is not good news for me |
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| 10:26.28 | jubo2 | Debian AMD64 w/ KDE |
| 10:26.38 | drybjed | do you know what wifi card do you have? |
| 10:26.45 | jubo2 | No. |
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| 10:26.50 | drybjed | try ubuntu installer running live |
| 10:26.58 | drybjed | jubo2: run lspci in a terminal |
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| 10:27.36 | drybjed | look for ethernet controller or network controller |
| 10:27.47 | noparams | try dmesg |
| 10:28.55 | jackbrown | hi there I would like to make a a program running from everywhere in my system but I don't know how to do the program is http://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor.php ???????? |
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| 10:29.47 | Yellow | you can see the wifi card name in its cover. |
| 10:29.48 | jubo2 | drybjed: noparams: what am I supposed to be looking for in lspci or dmesg ? |
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| 10:30.08 | drybjed | jubo2: "Ethernet controller", "Network controller" in lspci |
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| 10:30.30 | drybjed | jubo2: show the output of these commands |
| 10:31.02 | jubo2 | drybjed: Intel Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network connection |
| 10:31.21 | drybjed | jubo2: anything else? |
| 10:31.30 | drybjed | jubo2: my guess is that's an ethernet card |
| 10:31.38 | jubo2 | There is also network controller |
| 10:31.43 | drybjed | jubo2: unless you have some crazy gigabit wifi ;) |
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| 10:32.24 | Yellow | me too |
| 10:32.38 | jubo2 | Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 |
| 10:32.38 | drybjed | jubo2: what does it say in network controller? |
| 10:32.59 | drybjed | I have Advanced-N card |
| 10:33.00 | jubo2 | drybjed: what I wrote |
| 10:33.08 | tommjames | hi, in wheezy does anyone know how to get rid of the first line of the ssh welcome message that appears before the motd? it contains kernel, date/time etc |
| 10:34.02 | drybjed | jubo2: on that live cd, switch to root and run `iwlist scan` |
| 10:34.06 | drybjed | does it show anything? |
| 10:34.40 | acemi_ | tommjames: uname -a gives the same |
| 10:34.57 | jubo2 | I don't know the root password for this live CD |
| 10:34.58 | tommjames | thanks, i'll if any scripts contain that |
| 10:35.03 | tommjames | *ill see |
| 10:35.34 | jubo2 | drybjed: dmesg shows all sorts of stuff that would indicate there is a WiFi system.. it's just not running |
| 10:35.35 | drybjed | tommjames: that line is set up by the system automatically, look here: https://wiki.debian.org/motd |
| 10:35.58 | drybjed | jubo2: try 'sudo su' |
| 10:36.10 | jubo2 | yeah.. |
| 10:36.41 | jubo2 | drybjed: lo and eth0, neither of them support scanning |
| 10:36.55 | drybjed | cat /proc/net/dev |
| 10:37.12 | drybjed | what device names do you have there? |
| 10:38.02 | jubo2 | drybjed: lo and eth0 |
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| 10:38.43 | drybjed | try running 'modprobe iwlwifi' |
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| 10:39.14 | jubo2 | drybjed: returns nothing |
| 10:39.35 | drybjed | jubo2: a good sign, check /proc/net/dev |
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| 10:40.02 | jubo2 | lo and eth0 |
| 10:40.09 | drybjed | hmm |
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| 10:41.13 | drybjed | jubo2: why your thernet card doesn't work, do you know? |
| 10:41.22 | jubo2 | drybjed: nope |
| 10:42.03 | jubo2 | just that if I plug a cable nothing happens |
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| 10:42.37 | drybjed | jubo2: so maybe it's a hardware failure, moving on... |
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| 10:43.14 | jubo2 | drybjed: this might be of interest.. from dmesg.. |
| 10:43.22 | drybjed | yes? |
| 10:43.44 | jubo2 | iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: no suitable firmware found! |
| 10:44.03 | drybjed | ah yes, you need firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 10:44.25 | drybjed | jubo2: ok, so chroot route it is. Install Debian as usual, and download ubuntu desktop amd64 |
| 10:44.44 | drybjed | jubo2: launch ubuntu, then I'll show you how to get Debian configured for wifi |
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| 10:45.15 | drybjed | (Ubuntu because it will work with wifi from the start, and we just need connection to download some packages on Debian) |
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| 10:47.20 | jubo2 | drybjed: booting to Windows to fetch the Ubuntu Live CD |
| 10:47.38 | jubo2 | not this irc machine obviously |
| 10:47.45 | drybjed | jubo2: sure. do you have just one machine to work with? |
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| 10:49.19 | jubo2 | no. 2 |
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| 10:49.43 | jubo2 | 12 minutes remaining |
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| 10:50.01 | drybjed | jubo2: have you worked with linux before? how much do you know? |
| 10:50.28 | drybjed | (just want to make sure if I can spit commands at you and you will handle it) ;-) |
| 10:50.30 | jubo2 | I know some but not proficient in any way |
| 10:50.46 | drybjed | ok |
| 10:51.11 | jubo2 | drybjed: yeah yeah.. working with cli is normal stuff for me |
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| 10:51.29 | drybjed | great, favourite editor? |
| 10:51.59 | jubo2 | I use nano |
| 10:52.09 | jubo2 | it's not very good but I'm used to it |
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| 10:56.50 | Cylta | Hi. I want to see game warzone2100 in repository, but it's not there. Can I compile and add it there by myself? |
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| 10:58.24 | drybjed | Cylta: warzone2100 is in jessie, you could add jessie repositories and install it from there |
| 10:58.31 | drybjed | I wonder why there's no wheezy release... |
| 10:58.52 | Cylta | jessie is older release, right? |
| 10:59.02 | Cylta | why it would be deleted from newer release?.. |
| 10:59.02 | drybjed | no, it's current testing release |
| 10:59.07 | Cylta | ahh, I see |
| 10:59.19 | drybjed | wheezy is current |
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| 11:00.41 | jubo2 | drybjed: copying ubuntu to stick |
| 11:00.46 | drybjed | jubo2: nice |
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| 11:00.58 | drybjed | jubo2: what debian do you plan to install? minimal? kde? gnome? |
| 11:01.35 | Cylta | what is the name of some task manager with changable "nice"? |
| 11:01.42 | petern_ | top |
| 11:01.52 | jubo2 | drybjed: KDE |
| 11:01.57 | drybjed | Cylta: htop? |
| 11:02.03 | Cylta | petern_: add some more userfriendly interface =) |
| 11:02.10 | petern_ | ... it is? |
| 11:02.14 | drybjed | Cylta: or 'nice' ;-) |
| 11:02.33 | drybjed | Cylta: how userfriendly do you want? :) |
| 11:02.51 | drybjed | Cylta: sysadmin doom is very userfriendly |
| 11:02.52 | Cylta | that blond girl will understand how to use it =) |
| 11:03.04 | jubo2 | drybjed: I already have a Debian7 installed from the normal DVD image .. I just need to get the WiFi to work and from thereon install KDE |
| 11:03.26 | drybjed | jubo2: ok, run ubuntu live and we will take it from there |
| 11:03.53 | drybjed | Cylta: then htop for the terminal |
| 11:04.14 | mumpitze1 | jubo2: then download http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi and install it with dpkg -i |
| 11:04.18 | jubo2 | YUMI is being slow .. under MB/s |
| 11:04.21 | Cylta | ok, I see the problem now.. Is there any plugin-container, that does not consume 100% CPU for video? |
| 11:04.30 | mumpitze1 | jubo2: there is no need for YUMI |
| 11:04.51 | drybjed | Cylta: no, flash is unfortunately closed-source |
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| 11:05.05 | jubo2 | mumpitze1: well I'm using it |
| 11:05.05 | Cylta | drybjed: any other way to watch movies online? |
| 11:05.08 | drybjed | Cylta: there are open implemetations you could try, I guess |
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| 11:05.16 | drybjed | Cylta: what browser? |
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| 11:05.25 | mumpitze1 | jubo2: since you already have debian installed, there is no need. |
| 11:05.35 | Cylta | drybjed: iceweasel |
| 11:05.38 | mumpitze1 | copy the .deb file I linked for your to a usb drive and off you go |
| 11:05.48 | Cylta | drybjed: currently I'm using flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:06.11 | Yellow | jjjjjjjj |
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| 11:06.28 | shingouz | Cylta: try chromium for browser, gnash seems to work pretty well for a flashplayer on chromium. |
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| 11:06.34 | Cylta | drybjed: thanks, htop is pretty |
| 11:08.05 | savask | Hello. I would like to install Debian alongside Windows 8 on my Acer Aspire v3-571g laptop. What can be possible difficulties to do that? |
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| 11:08.42 | drybjed | savask: do you have some spare space on the hard disk for Debian? |
| 11:09.07 | Cylta | shingouz: thanks, chromium is significantly better. (3% CPU instead of 102% of CPU!!) |
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| 11:09.43 | savask | drybjed: Well, I haven't installed or downloaded much yet, so I guess I have. |
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| 11:10.18 | drybjed | savask: does your laptop support virtualization? you could try installing Debian in virtualbox machine and see if you like it |
| 11:10.23 | shingouz | Cylta: not to mention the memory footprint is smaller, too |
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| 11:11.19 | savask | drybjed: Oh, sorry, I think you understood me wrong :-) I have been using debian on my PC for a long time, just I have never installed it on laptops. I heard there are some problems with that (secure boot and so on), so I wanted an advice. |
| 11:11.22 | Cylta | shingouz: I can't imagine how such big difference is possible. and how gnash can work with proprioritary flash |
| 11:11.47 | drybjed | savask: windows 8 uses UEFI and secure boot, you will have to probably turn it off. not to scare you but for example on my samsung laptop uefi enabled would result in bricked device when Linux is started |
| 11:11.47 | shingouz | ...i's a kinda magic... |
| 11:12.24 | shingouz | s/...i's a kinda magic.../it's a kinda magic/ |
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| 11:12.36 | Cylta | can I use gnash in icweasel? (as efficient as in chromium) |
| 11:12.57 | savask | drybjed: Oh. I think I can't disable secure boot in BIOS. There is an option to turn UEFI off (something like "legacy bios" or like that) |
| 11:13.00 | drybjed | savask: in my case, I reformatted hard disk and installed windows on smaller partition, after that I installed Linux |
| 11:13.03 | shingouz | Cylta: you can but iceweasel of late has had some serious issues with the memory footprint |
| 11:13.23 | drybjed | savask: yes, enabling legacy bios should solve that problem |
| 11:13.28 | Cylta | shingouz: ohh, okay. then chromium will be my movies-watching browser =) |
| 11:13.47 | jubo2 | drybjed: I have that iwlwifi file on usb stick and now booting to Debian7 |
| 11:13.58 | drybjed | jubo2: ok |
| 11:14.39 | savask | drybjed: Great. Though I hope standard debian partition program won't mess a lot with partition table - I don't have other computers or something around so I have only one try :-P |
| 11:14.44 | jubo2 | so I 'dpkg -i filename.deb' ? |
| 11:14.58 | drybjed | jubo2: yes |
| 11:15.04 | savask | Windows is already preinstalled, but usually it breaks after I partition the disk :/ |
| 11:15.15 | drybjed | savask: how big? |
| 11:15.37 | drybjed | savask: you probably have Windows installer partition in there somewhere |
| 11:15.54 | drybjed | if it's a current laptop, it will be gpt partiton table |
| 11:16.17 | jubo2 | drybjed: with sudo ? |
| 11:16.35 | savask | drybjed: Indeed, it launched install process on first boot. I have 679 Gb left. |
| 11:17.19 | drybjed | savask: just don't change the partition table |
| 11:17.33 | drybjed | jubo2: yes, or just switch to root using 'sudo su' |
| 11:17.42 | jubo2 | drybjed: I've run it now |
| 11:17.50 | drybjed | savask: if it's gpt, you will have to use parted to make a separate partitions for linu |
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| 11:18.10 | drybjed | jubo2: so now try modprobe iwlwifi and check in dmesg |
| 11:18.21 | savask | drybjed: Is it shipped in standard debian installer? |
| 11:18.48 | jubo2 | command modprobe not found |
| 11:18.59 | Cylta | jubo2: use sudo |
| 11:19.10 | Cylta | jubo2: or sudo apt-get install kmod |
| 11:20.08 | drybjed | savask: I think Debian Installer should handle GPT partitions |
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| 11:20.15 | drybjed | savask: just run it in check :) |
| 11:20.25 | jubo2 | drybjed: what am I looking forin dmesg ( I can grep ) |
| 11:20.40 | drybjed | jubo2: just do 'dmesg | tail' |
| 11:20.58 | savask | drybjed: "in check"? Do you mean just to try it and hope it will work, or there is a special option to "try" disk transforms? |
| 11:21.27 | jubo2 | drybjed: shows nothing regarding WiFi |
| 11:21.38 | drybjed | savask: just run d-i in expert mode and when you get to partitioning, select manual and see if Debian recognizes the partition table |
| 11:21.59 | drybjed | jubo2: you modprobed iwlwifi right? what's in /proc/net/dev now? |
| 11:22.06 | savask | Aha |
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| 11:23.46 | jubo2 | drybjed: yes.. in /proc/net/dev is only lo and eth0 |
| 11:24.05 | smonchi | hello |
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| 11:24.49 | drybjed | jubo2: have you installed firmware-iwlwifi package? |
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| 11:26.18 | jubo2 | drybjed: yes. with 'dpkg -i' as root |
| 11:27.07 | drybjed | jubo2: and modprobe iwlwifi didn't show any errors? |
| 11:27.17 | jubo2 | no errors |
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| 11:28.22 | drybjed | jubo2: try ifconfig wifi0 up |
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| 11:29.14 | jubo2 | wifi0: Error while getting interface flags: No device exists |
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| 11:29.43 | girafa968 | ola |
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| 11:30.43 | drybjed | jubo2: try rebooting and see if Debian picks up the wifi card |
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| 11:31.09 | jubo2 | ok.. |
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| 11:32.58 | jubo2 | drybjed: IT WORKS!! |
| 11:33.00 | jubo2 | tnx |
| 11:33.03 | drybjed | jubo2: nice |
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| 11:35.31 | girafa968 | ok |
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| 11:41.48 | jubo2 | drybjed: 'aptitude install kde-full' finds no package.. |
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| 11:43.03 | jubo2 | mmm.. compiz seems to be enabled by default in Gnome |
| 11:43.17 | jubo2 | at least it does the full screen task switcher thing |
| 11:43.33 | petern_ | That's not compiz. |
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| 11:44.07 | girafa968 | any scouts to talk with? |
| 11:44.19 | jubo2 | petern_: does the same thing.. |
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| 11:48.43 | drybjed | jubo2: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 11:49.00 | jayzio | Linux was created by a white person so it's only targeted towards white people and black people are fobidden to use it. |
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| 11:49.16 | jubo2 | deb cdrom |
| 11:49.36 | jubo2 | I need to uncomment something perhaps ? |
| 11:49.36 | drybjed | jubo2: put inside: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 11:50.02 | jubo2 | drybjed: can I replace 'us' with 'fi' ? |
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| 11:50.12 | drybjed | sure |
| 11:50.18 | drybjed | whichever is closest :) |
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| 11:51.23 | jubo2 | drybjed: then what ..? |
| 11:51.40 | jubo2 | I should prlly update and upgrade or what ? |
| 11:51.53 | drybjed | jubo2: apt-get update |
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| 11:52.06 | drybjed | then you should be able to install kde-full |
| 11:52.41 | jubo2 | yes. |
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| 11:54.01 | jayzio | you spin me right round baby right round |
| 11:54.04 | jayzio | http://meatspin.com/ |
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| 11:56.40 | jubo2 | 'k installing currently |
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| 11:56.59 | drybjed | jubo2: yay :) |
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| 11:57.44 | jubo2 | I'm a victim of ADSL provider marketing promises |
| 11:58.12 | jubo2 | they sold me this as 40Mbit / s but I never get over 15Mbit/s |
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| 11:58.40 | drybjed | jubo2: be glad you live in '10s , and not '90s ;-) |
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| 11:59.57 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Where does update-alternatives store its priorities? I have an "corrupt: priority of /usr/bin/runghc6 is out of range: 8600000600" I need to fix |
| 11:59.58 | jubo2 | drybjed: I used to pay 300 FIM ( about $60 ) for a 300kbit / s XDSL in the 90's |
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| 12:21.58 | ElDiabolo | Actually it has a bug report. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676970 . Unfortunately I still can't even remove ghc. |
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| 12:28.02 | jubo2 | hmmz.. |
| 12:28.09 | jubo2 | cannot find compiz in aptitude |
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| 12:28.54 | themill | compiz isn't in debian -- but just about every other window manager has all the same features |
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| 12:29.32 | jubo2 | themill: I need a full screen task switcher |
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| 12:30.11 | Overv | I've scheduled a shell script to run as a cronjob, but it's giving me a SyntaxError on: rm -f data/cache.json |
| 12:30.15 | Overv | what could be causing that? |
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| 12:35.07 | Overv | oh |
| 12:35.20 | Overv | I just noticed I accidentally invoke python to execute it |
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| 12:36.42 | themill | I was just contemplating that SyntaxError sounded more like python than bash |
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| 12:37.15 | drybjed | If you're lucky and you know it, Syntax Error! |
| 12:38.02 | drybjed | and I've jinxed it :( |
| 12:38.34 | crabman | There was a package that I wanted to build with apt-get source -b, it failed to build. How do I remove the packages that were installed when i did sudo apt-get build-dep packagename? They don't show up in sudo apt-get autoremove |
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| 12:40.57 | MrMonkey31 | I'd like to know too |
| 12:41.23 | tremon | there is no automated way fafik. The only hammer you have is aptitude purge ~sdevel, but that will remove all devel packages so that's probably not what you want. |
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| 12:41.38 | tremon | possibly aptitude has a search term for build deps |
| 12:41.48 | themill | you'd have to look at apt's logs that show you what was installed at that time |
| 12:42.25 | nKf | hi. i have a package with version number 3.2.18-0~test and binary package depends on version >=3.2.18 of that package. why apt can't resolve this dependency? according to sort -V and the manual, 3.2.18-0 should be newer than 3.2.18 |
| 12:42.26 | crabman | There must be some magic to list all -dev packages such that only libraries and other -dev packages depend on them |
| 12:43.01 | themill | crabman: build-dependencies are not just -dev packages |
| 12:43.38 | crabman | ok, build-dependencies can also include toolchains |
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| 12:44.30 | crabman | The only packages that don't get autoremoved are packages with executables, -dbg packages and -dev packages. Am I right? |
| 12:44.31 | themill | crabman: so you'll need to look at /var/log/apt/history.log for the list of things that was installed. Next time, use mk-build-deps for removable build-deps metapackages |
| 12:45.20 | tremon | crabman: no, autoremove removes packages that are marked as automatically installed and have no reverse dependencies. It has nothing to do with the type of package |
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| 12:45.50 | tremon | apt-get build-dep does not mark packages as auto-installed |
| 12:46.34 | MrMonkey31 | tremon, well that's a strange choice then isn't it? |
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| 12:47.15 | MrMonkey31 | when one both hates, and loves the thing one's building, as is often the case |
| 12:47.24 | themill | not at all -- why would it mark them as autoremovable? |
| 12:47.25 | MrMonkey31 | *gollum!* |
| 12:47.39 | tremon | MrMonkey31: it's not a choice. build-deps by definition are not runtime deps otherwise they would be co-installed with every binary package |
| 12:47.42 | CissWit | no it isn't, when you build-dep the system doesn't know why you are doing it, it doesn't know if you are not using it for something else, it can't know why you did that |
| 12:47.52 | crabman | themill: because the user won't need them after building is finished |
| 12:48.00 | CissWit | ops said the same things twice :') |
| 12:48.10 | MrMonkey31 | alright! *grumble* bye, bye brand new manicure! *grumble* |
| 12:48.21 | MrMonkey31 | ^^ |
| 12:48.58 | themill | crabman: if they were marked auto and nothing depended on them then they wouldn't even be installed |
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| 12:50.01 | crabman | But if I remove the package I built using them then they aren't needed for anything. |
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| 12:50.26 | MrMonkey31 | crabman, they would be more needed than they were before you removed said package! |
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| 12:50.57 | jubo2 | What's the preferred way to get the so called "full screen task switcher" |
| 12:51.16 | tremon | MrMonkey31: themill already mentioned mk-build-deps which creates a (virtual) package that does depend on all the build dependencies. That solves the problem nicely |
| 12:51.26 | jubo2 | It's thing where by matrix calculation you smallen the windows of workspaces so that they can all be displayed at the same time |
| 12:52.07 | crabman | tremon: ok, I didn't know about mk-build-deps. Will know from now (if I don't forget) |
| 12:52.14 | jubo2 | In AAPL ware it's called "Exposé", in Compiz it's "scale" iirc... In modern Gnome it comes standard in the left corner of screen to activate |
| 12:52.14 | themill | jubo2: kde calls it "present windows". There are lots of similar things |
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| 12:52.48 | MrMonkey31 | tremon: manicure saved? hooray!! |
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| 12:53.09 | jackbrown | hi there ? COuld anyone check my xorg.conf ? I'm unable to change res and I'm stuck in 640x480 thanks???????? |
| 12:53.31 | jubo2 | So 90's VGA |
| 12:53.52 | jubo2 | first real color graphics |
| 12:54.11 | tremon | jackbrown: if it's a recent amd card, check if you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed |
| 12:56.55 | jubo2 | drybjed: big thanks for your help |
| 12:57.12 | drybjed | jubo2: no problem :) |
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| 12:58.08 | jubo2 | I just bought this used machine to find out the Ethernet is teh brokeh |
| 12:58.24 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone has used ISPconfig? I created a subdomain, but It nor work. I reviewed the A names and other configurations and not works. Any suggestion? |
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| 12:59.24 | drybjed | jubo2: and you wonder why they sold it... |
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| 12:59.39 | antihero | s |
| 13:00.14 | jubo2 | then also shows very strongly that WiFi is also teh brokeh also |
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| 13:00.41 | drybjed | jubo2: no, it's not broken. it's just that you particular wifi card requires non-free firmware blob |
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| 13:00.55 | jubo2 | Then I go #debian and drybjed talks me out of it |
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| 13:01.01 | crabman | sudo apt-get autoremove want to remove xorg. What should I do? |
| 13:01.23 | themill | you probably want to unmarkauto |
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| 13:05.49 | crabman | When I removed bomber, the system also decided to remove kde-full. Does it mean that all kde apps don't exist on my computer anymore or is it just virtual package that doesn't exist? |
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| 13:08.27 | themill | crabman: kde-full is a metapackage -- check its file listing and description. Unless you've marked the other dependencies of kde-full, it will also remove all of the kde-games metapackage and perhaps a pile of other things that you probably do want |
| 13:09.44 | crabman | It did remove kde-games and kde-full but other games are still there. |
| 13:10.14 | crabman | And I don't understand how can it autoremove xorg when I have kwin and games installed? Don't they depend on xorg? |
| 13:10.55 | crabman | or is xorg just another metapackage? |
| 13:11.03 | crabman | that doesn't actually do anything on its own |
| 13:11.25 | crabman | I guess that's the answer and I don't really need it. |
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| 13:13.13 | tremon | you can have an entire DE installed without a local X server, that's uncommon but useful for xdmcp setups (remote terminals). |
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| 13:14.16 | crabman | So how do I remove kde games without the system wanting to uninstall xorg and xinit? |
| 13:14.41 | tremon | apt-mark manual xinit probably |
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| 13:18.46 | jubo2 | Would upgrading to Wheezy solve some serious issues with I'm having with Debian6 ? Does the new OS versions require more? less? same amount? of memory..? |
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| 13:19.17 | brontosaurusrex | jubo2, what issues? |
| 13:19.51 | jubo2 | brontosaurusrex: terrible lockings ... |
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| 13:20.03 | jubo2 | some times the cursor disappears all together |
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| 13:20.34 | brontosaurusrex | well, the newer kernel can probably help |
| 13:20.35 | jubo2 | waiting for _seconds_ to see typed characters appear |
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| 13:21.16 | brontosaurusrex | did you try to just change the kernel jubo2 ? |
| 13:21.33 | jubo2 | There's prlly a walk-through document on how to mocce from Debian6 to Debian7 |
| 13:22.12 | jubo2 | s/mocce/move/ |
| 13:23.02 | brontosaurusrex | how much ram do you have and what de/wm are you running? |
| 13:23.20 | jubo2 | brontosaurusrex: 2GB ( thanks a bunch Sam sung ) |
| 13:23.38 | jubo2 | Sam sung NC210 that shipped with 1GB |
| 13:23.42 | icesword | thanks a bunch? |
| 13:23.47 | jubo2 | does not accept 4G combs |
| 13:24.04 | jubo2 | so I have only 2 gigs |
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| 13:24.14 | brontosaurusrex | what de/wm? |
| 13:24.53 | jubo2 | It was a 15€ vs. 24€ for 2GB vs. 4GB |
| 13:25.06 | jubo2 | brontosaurusrex: KDE with Compiz |
| 13:25.15 | abrotman | there's no compiz in wheezy |
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| 13:26.09 | brontosaurusrex | well i have a 10 years old machine with 1 gig of ram and it works fine with wheezy, running openbox |
| 13:26.25 | jubo2 | abrotman: plos tell I can find a way to have full screen task switching.. you know the thing with matrix calculations to scale windows untill they all fit at the same time |
| 13:27.34 | jubo2 | Gnome has it, OS X got it since ages, Win7 nor Win8 have it, KDE camp ..? |
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| 13:28.35 | themill | jubo2: sure. I even told you what it was called about 40 minutes ago |
| 13:28.39 | jubo2 | If I could have Konversation for Gnome I'd defect |
| 13:29.11 | jubo2 | themill: I tried looking for it but I didn't find it.. |
| 13:29.19 | jubo2 | I shouldrlly keep looking |
| 13:29.35 | themill | perhaps it's worth asking that question then, rather than starting again at the beginning? |
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| 13:31.22 | jubo2 | "present windows" |
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| 13:31.53 | jubo2 | but I booted the machine to Win7 now to listen to music |
| 13:32.04 | themill | ... |
| 13:32.28 | jubo2 | all music seems brokenseems to be brokeh on the Debian7 |
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| 13:33.26 | themill | maybe you should try asking about that, too |
| 13:33.27 | jubo2 | I gotta see how the machine will show #Diaspora* |
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| 13:34.27 | jubo2 | https://d.consumium.org is my pod |
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| 13:36.11 | jubo2 | Took me 2.5 days from entering webshop with my credit card to having a fully functional #Diapsora pod ( and almost 24 hrs was when I didn' advance coz of waiting for DNS guys to solve my problem with their UI into DNS |
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| 13:36.38 | jubo2 | running on super-reliable fresh Debian7 |
| 13:36.49 | jubo2 | So.. |
| 13:38.38 | jubo2 | If there are instructions that are preferable on the topic of how to properly upgrade from Debian6 to Debian7 it'd be really appreciated if you would spread the ( wiki and/or other web ) love |
| 13:38.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jubo2 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 13:39.01 | jubo2 | tnx abrotman |
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| 13:42.07 | theunixfreak | ls |
| 13:42.12 | jubo2 | one more request in the endless stream of requests that is known as jubo-jubo |
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| 13:42.34 | jubo2 | where can I best access on the web the release notes ( Chapter 4 ) of Wheezy ? |
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| 13:43.49 | jubo2 | yeah.. a four letter abbreviation comes to mind |
| 13:44.05 | jubo2 | the verb is "To googel" |
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| 13:44.50 | mumpitze1 | !release notes |
| 13:44.51 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>. |
| 13:44.57 | mumpitze1 | we don't google. we ask dpkg |
| 13:45.16 | mumpitze1 | you can ask dpkg in private tho: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 13:45.25 | jubo2 | tnx mumpitze1 danke schön |
| 13:46.26 | mumpitze1 | de nada |
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| 14:01.34 | jubo2 | hmz |
| 14:01.41 | jubo2 | In Debian7 |
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| 14:02.32 | jubo2 | I hit the "log out" and the machine partly does something. A black X with white outline frozen and also a single underscore above-left of it |
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| 14:02.43 | jubo2 | so I press the power button 4 secs |
| 14:02.50 | jubo2 | and turn it back on |
| 14:02.57 | jubo2 | try the same thing again... |
| 14:03.10 | jubo2 | now it threw me outta X alltogether |
| 14:03.34 | jubo2 | surely it will bring the GUI back up just as soon as I log in with my details |
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| 14:04.02 | jubo2 | nope.. |
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| 14:04.48 | jubo2 | X stopped itself and I'm looking at a console of relatively uninteresting |
| 14:05.00 | abrotman | you did the whole upgrade already? |
| 14:05.03 | jubo2 | startx ? |
| 14:05.07 | jubo2 | does that still help |
| 14:05.15 | jubo2 | abrotman: no different machine |
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| 14:05.42 | joaocfernandes | msg debhelper valgrind strlen |
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| 14:05.56 | joaocfernandes | sorry |
| 14:06.16 | paxcoder | joaocfernandes, valgrind? |
| 14:06.17 | jubo2 | abrotman: I try 'startx' and see what it says and does |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | don't think debhelper can help you with that |
| 14:06.22 | abrotman | jubo2: okay |
| 14:06.26 | paxcoder | are you suggesting he debugs X? |
| 14:06.32 | jubo2 | it brings X up |
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| 14:07.07 | joaocfernandes | i have a problem |
| 14:07.12 | jubo2 | I want it to go to graphical selection of WM when I hit the "log out"-button |
| 14:07.19 | joaocfernandes | valgrind i think is striping out strlen |
| 14:07.21 | abrotman | jubo2: you're still using KDE ? |
| 14:07.29 | paxcoder | joaocfernandes, oh sorry |
| 14:07.32 | joaocfernandes | so i can't start it, against a small application i have |
| 14:08.01 | paxcoder | joaocfernandes, can't start valgrind? what does it say? |
| 14:08.23 | jubo2 | different machines different GUIs |
| 14:09.00 | jubo2 | How does one choose to start the X with KDE and not Gnome |
| 14:09.01 | abrotman | jubo2: so what GUI are you using? |
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| 14:09.19 | abrotman | jubo2: install KDM or GDM3 |
| 14:09.21 | jubo2 | abrotman: the one I'm trying to solve is on Gnome but I'd like it to use KDE |
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| 14:09.54 | jubo2 | If I could have "Konversation for Gnome" I'd prlly defect camp |
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| 14:10.12 | jubo2 | P-; |
| 14:10.22 | mtn | jubo2: konversation runs fine in gnome |
| 14:10.32 | joaocfernandes | http://pastie.org/8414392 i have libc6-dbg installed so i am kind of lost |
| 14:10.42 | mtn | jubo2: you can use whatever you want to |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | jubo2: it's called pidgin |
| 14:11.06 | themill | itym xchat |
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| 14:11.16 | abrotman | well, pidgin does IRC also |
| 14:11.31 | joaocfernandes | i also tried to compile the app to be a 64bit binary but didn't solve |
| 14:11.49 | jubo2 | 'ait |
| 14:11.56 | themill | jubo2: given that kde does the things that you want quite trivially, you could just use it... |
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| 14:12.11 | jubo2 | now got proper graphical log in.. |
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| 14:13.09 | jubo2 | Now I see KDE System(s) Settings |
| 14:13.27 | jubo2 | "present windows" .. now where do I find that.. |
| 14:14.24 | themill | jubo2: Window Behaviour → Task switcher → Effect |
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| 14:15.09 | jubo2 | Yes.. Just found it while not seeing your message |
| 14:15.35 | jubo2 | what key and/or corner activates it |
| 14:16.23 | jubo2 | ctrl-F9 would be the likely answer |
| 14:16.26 | themill | that's right in front of you in that dialogue.... |
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| 14:16.37 | jubo2 | yes.. |
| 14:16.50 | jubo2 | it works now |
| 14:16.57 | jubo2 | I instll Konversation |
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| 14:17.18 | nongeek | themill: Hello, Can I send Pm? |
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| 14:21.33 | jubo2 | themill: the extra zooming effect makes me nauseous.. how to turn it off? |
| 14:22.01 | jubo2 | the added slight zoom of the window that has focus.. that is if you use latest KDE |
| 14:22.24 | jubo2 | it provides no additional value and personally I do not like it at all |
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| 14:24.07 | abrotman | nongeek: just ask the channel |
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| 14:26.31 | WormFood | are there any command line tools (in debian packages), that will allow me to manipulate an mp3? I just need to cut off the first 10 seconds, on about 130 mp3s. |
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| 14:29.51 | Quare | WormFood: mp3cut |
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| 14:30.31 | tremon | for other manipulations, see also sox |
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| 14:31.49 | WormFood | tremon, I'm familiar with sox, for conversions...awesome program (I've used it for many years) |
| 14:31.55 | WormFood | thanks Quare, I'll check it out |
| 14:32.26 | juboxi | #mmm.. now I just need to get the ui white on black and move the log files to the new machine and I don't have to use the underpowered Debian6 machine |
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| 14:32.56 | Quare | WormFood: np (it's in the poc-streamer package btw). |
| 14:32.59 | WormFood | Quare, after looking at the man page, that looks like exactly the command I was looking for |
| 14:33.01 | jubo2 | "I keep forgetting how many we were." ~jubodrei |
| 14:33.03 | WormFood | oh, it's already installed |
| 14:33.14 | WormFood | I quickly determined it was in the poc-streamer package ;) |
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| 14:33.34 | WormFood | I just type "mp3cut", and command-not-found tells me it's in the poc-streamer package ;) |
| 14:33.45 | Quare | Well, ready to rock then. :) |
| 14:34.13 | WormFood | indeed....now if it will work with standard input, I'm all set to streamline this process. ;) |
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| 14:37.11 | jubo2 | Shukran, shukran FLOSS devels. |
| 14:37.35 | WormFood | Quare, seems it does not work. Just gives me an error |
| 14:37.40 | jubo2 | When I started with my studies of theoretical computer science in '96 |
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| 14:38.31 | jubo2 | I had not heard of a Postgresql and MySQL didn't exist and relatively straight forwards RDBMS cost 20,000-100,000 starting prices in the industry |
| 14:38.49 | jubo2 | FIM |
| 14:39.10 | jubo2 | that's about $4,000-20,000 |
| 14:39.12 | WormFood | jubo2, you'd see even more changes, if you started back in the 1980s, like I did :P |
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| 14:39.30 | jubo2 | Haha yeah I gather I agree with you WormFood |
| 14:39.52 | jubo2 | #Diapsora* shows nicely on the new used machine |
| 14:39.58 | WormFood | my first computer experience was back in the late 1970s...so I've seen a LOT of changes since then ;) |
| 14:40.55 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/hard_drive.jpg <-- this is a full page ad, from a computer magazine I bought, back in '82 or '83...it proclaims that the hard drive price war is over....check it out for fun ;) |
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| 14:41.58 | WormFood | 5 meg hard drives, only $995 (plus $150 for a controller) |
| 14:43.01 | paxcoder | WormFood, you buy the drive, and you get the disk for free! |
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| 14:43.56 | WormFood | I wonder what those prices would be today, if they were adjusted for inflation |
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| 14:45.12 | jubo2 | WormFood: Mine was apart of a console pong game at Miguel's the Commodore C64 |
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| 14:45.46 | jubo2 | All the cool kids had 64 |
| 14:45.54 | WormFood | I came into work one day (at a 2-way radio shop), and I could barely get in the door, because of all the computer equipment. My boss was so proud, of the computer he had bought. It was a "mainframe", as he said. It had a 5 meg hard drive, with a 230 volt, belt drive motor, that was, no joking, the size of a washing machine. |
| 14:45.58 | jubo2 | s/64/C64/ |
| 14:46.09 | jubo2 | ah.. we don't have spaola services |
| 14:47.20 | jubo2 | it matches any s/thatwhichwasbefore/this/ to you last _and only the last_ irc line. prints the resulting string to channel prefixed with your nick |
| 14:47.35 | jubo2 | We had it in ##economics |
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| 14:49.16 | Quare | WormFood: what error? |
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| 14:49.45 | WormFood | Max sync exceeded: 4002 |
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| 14:51.23 | jubo2 | I have better then Linux... |
| 14:51.27 | jubo2 | I have Linuxen |
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| 14:51.46 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:51.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 14:52.01 | Quare | WormFood: Perhaps a broken mp3 file. A quick google suggests that "lame" can fix it. "lame --strictly-enforce-ISO --resample 44.1 input.mp3 output.mp3" |
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| 14:53.47 | WormFood | thanks Quare...I'll give it a shot ;) |
| 14:54.12 | Quare | Good luck. :) |
| 14:54.37 | WormFood | this original sample rate is 1/4 of that (11 khz) |
| 14:54.46 | WormFood | I'll play around with it a bit |
| 14:55.18 | Quare | If it doesn't work, maybe "mp3splt" can do it. |
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| 14:55.47 | Quare | Hopefully, some of the choices works. |
| 14:57.46 | Yaku-noob | hey, i just plugged in an 10/100mbit usb ethernet adapter with usb1 interface but it won´t get recognized in ifconfig, i tried modprobe rd9700 before but i didn´t see it after typing ifconfig after that either |
| 14:57.47 | Yaku-noob | my interfaces file |
| 14:57.49 | Yaku-noob | http://pastebin.com/E2Gf5HyL |
| 14:58.48 | abrotman | did oyu look in dmesg? |
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| 14:59.10 | oo_miguel | so i set up postfix and running mutt through a ssh session lets me send and receive mails, everyhthing works perfectly.. How can i connect to the server with a client running on my desktop computer now? DO I need to install anything additional on the server? |
| 14:59.33 | grimeton | oo_miguel: depends ... if you want to send or receive mail |
| 14:59.41 | grimeton | oo_miguel: receiving should be done by pop3 or imap |
| 15:00.09 | grimeton | exit |
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| 15:00.58 | oo_miguel | grimeton: i want to send with smtp, right? and receive with pop3 and imap |
| 15:01.04 | grimeton | oo_miguel: yes |
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| 15:01.25 | oo_miguel | does postifx support that? |
| 15:01.35 | grimeton | oo_miguel: you can also send via imap |
| 15:01.48 | grimeton | oo_miguel: postfix is an MTA, it only supports the SMTP part of email |
| 15:01.58 | grimeton | oo_miguel: imap and pop3 are handled by other daemons like courier |
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| 15:02.08 | Yaku-noob | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/PMdvkN03 |
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| 15:02.55 | ytrezq | Hello Where I can find a mirror for packages for mips32? |
| 15:03.05 | oo_miguel | so postfix is just listening on port 25 and waiting for emails to come. |
| 15:03.06 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 15:03.15 | grimeton | ytrezq: oo_miguel yes |
| 15:03.17 | oo_miguel | but how is mutt sending the mails than? it works already |
| 15:03.26 | grimeton | oo_miguel: by submitting mails to the local postfix queue |
| 15:03.28 | oo_miguel | but I did not install anything in addition |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ytrezq about mips |
| 15:03.50 | oo_miguel | ah so postfix also forwards the emails from the local queue to other servers |
| 15:03.52 | grimeton | ytrezq: if in doubt http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive.html |
| 15:03.53 | oo_miguel | via smtp too |
| 15:03.57 | grimeton | oo_miguel: yeah |
| 15:04.03 | oo_miguel | all makes perfect sense |
| 15:04.23 | grimeton | oo_miguel: http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html |
| 15:04.30 | oo_miguel | thanks grimeton |
| 15:04.46 | oo_miguel | i will read and try this courier-solution .. |
| 15:06.06 | grimeton | oo_miguel: yeah, do the whole world a favour and READ about it before you set it up. |
| 15:06.16 | grimeton | oo_miguel: because creating open relays is something nobody wants |
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| 15:06.47 | oo_miguel | hehe allright :) |
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| 15:09.16 | ytrezq | Sorry, but is dpkg a bot? |
| 15:09.22 | jubo2 | ytrezq: yes. |
| 15:09.38 | jubo2 | some bots are useful, some are just annoying |
| 15:09.43 | ytrezq | [19/10/2013 19:12:14] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 15:10.38 | ytrezq | I hate IA implemented on von Neuman/Turing/babadges machines |
| 15:11.16 | ytrezq | and is not able to answer at |
| 15:11.18 | ytrezq | [19/10/2013 19:13:16] <ytrezq> dpkg: Who created you? |
| 15:11.19 | jubo2 | So something is blocking installation of spotify-client and it stops from doing so but it's all translated into finnihs |
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| 15:11.43 | jubo2 | it want libssl-something but says it's not reliable and exits |
| 15:12.08 | nongeek | what is "wins server" variable in samaba conf? |
| 15:12.15 | NoReflex | hello! How can I determine the path for a debian package for an external repo? I don't have access to a Debian machine now and I want to download a file. |
| 15:12.23 | abrotman | nongeek: do you know what WINS is? |
| 15:12.34 | nongeek | mo |
| 15:12.35 | nongeek | no |
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| 15:12.41 | grimeton | nongeek: packages.debian.org |
| 15:12.46 | grimeton | eeer |
| 15:12.55 | grimeton | NoReflex: packages.debian.org |
| 15:13.06 | nongeek | abrotman: Is it my windows domain controller? |
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| 15:13.17 | abrotman | nongeek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Internet_Name_Service |
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| 15:13.26 | NoReflex | grimeton, it is an external repo ... deb http://repo.acestream.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 15:13.27 | grimeton | nongeek: disable it, it's not of any use anymore |
| 15:13.30 | abrotman | nongeek: more importantly, why do you think you need one? |
| 15:13.40 | grimeton | NoReflex: then go to the url and download the file |
| 15:13.51 | grimeton | NoReflex: or download the contents file and check for the filename and path |
| 15:14.04 | nongeek | abrotman: I have a windows fil server and I want to migration it to Linux and I have an active directory too |
| 15:14.11 | NoReflex | grimeton, the url does not allow browsing |
| 15:14.20 | abrotman | nongeek: there are many HOWTOs for this, and #samba |
| 15:14.30 | queso | A couple of months ago I installed Iceweasel release for wheezy on my computer following the instructions here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ I have version 22 installed. Now I see version 24 is available. Why isn't this updating on my computer when I update via aptitude? |
| 15:14.36 | abrotman | NoReflex: you'd have to get the Packages file |
| 15:14.47 | abrotman | queso: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 15:15.01 | jubo2 | NoReflex: I just acquired a 4GB, 2 cores, 150GB + utils ( == 'lectricity, cooling, bandwidth x utilisation factor x time ) with zero upfront production capital investment @ 25€ / month incl. VAT |
| 15:15.09 | jubo2 | Whee for hypervisors!! |
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| 15:15.17 | abrotman | jubo2: we have a #debian-offtopic |
| 15:15.18 | nongeek | abrotman: is it my Linux server name? |
| 15:15.38 | grimeton | NoReflex: it's always http://something/somepath/dists/distributionname/section/Contents-platform.gz |
| 15:15.52 | grimeton | NoReflex: e.g. http://somepath/debian/dists/jessie/main/Contents-amd64.gz |
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| 15:16.01 | queso | abrotman: I already have it installed. It's not upgrading, though. |
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| 15:16.31 | jubo2 | abrotman: yeah.. sry.. I was just reacting to NoReflex line about not having possession ship of server serving capability .. |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | NoReflex: http://repo.acestream.org/debian/pool/main/a/acestream-engine/acestream-engine_2.1.6-1squeeze4_i386.deb |
| 15:16.39 | z8z | do the debian updates DVD contains updated packages related to all 10 dvds? |
| 15:16.45 | grimeton | NoReflex: that contains the files to packages mapping and then get the packages file |
| 15:16.46 | abrotman | z8z: yes |
| 15:17.04 | z8z | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:17.08 | ytrezq | Again: Where I can find a mirror for packages for mips32? |
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| 15:17.23 | abrotman | ytrezq: did you ask the #mips-linux channel ? |
| 15:17.27 | NoReflex | abrotman, grimeton thank you! |
| 15:17.32 | grimeton | ytrezq: if in doubt, here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive.html |
| 15:17.54 | z8z | abrotman: sorry but how even big packages like Libreoffice or Games can fit inside a single DVD? |
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| 15:18.19 | abrotman | ytrezq: which CPU do you have? |
| 15:18.19 | ytrezq | abrotman: There not engouh people on that channel. |
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| 15:19.08 | grimeton | ytrezq: mips isn't exactly popular |
| 15:19.20 | abrotman | ytrezq: which CPU do you have? |
| 15:19.30 | abrotman | ytrezq: or which system type perhaps |
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| 15:20.38 | ytrezq | abrotman: I want to run system-qemu-mips with -cpu 34Kf |
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| 15:21.30 | ytrezq | This for building packages for an an BCM6358 wich is an Soc with 32Mo of RAM |
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| 15:22.01 | z8z | and also debian update DVD updates from 7.0 to 7.2 or from 7.1 to 7.2? |
| 15:22.03 | ytrezq | I've already a base rootfs; I just need a bzimage |
| 15:22.22 | grimeton | ytrezq: you can build that on a x86 box with the help of cross compiling |
| 15:22.28 | abrotman | and neither the mips or mipsel stuff works ? |
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| 15:22.34 | abrotman | z8z: do you have internet on that host? |
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| 15:22.48 | z8z | abrotman: nope |
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| 15:23.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:23.03 | queso | abrotman: How do I upgrade from Iceweasel 22 to Iseweasel 24? |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | z8z: you'd need both |
| 15:23.08 | z8z | abrotman: that's why i use DVDs.... i thought it was implied |
| 15:23.10 | abrotman | queso: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 15:23.17 | abrotman | z8z: people do strange things sometime s:) |
| 15:23.37 | z8z | abrotman: so i need both update dvds? |
| 15:23.40 | abrotman | ytrezq: otherwise, email http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ and see if they can give you a hint |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | z8z: yes |
| 15:23.57 | rendar | i get this http://nopaste.info/23ba8ec06e.html for 'apt-get upgrade' -- any clue on how i could solve this?? |
| 15:24.08 | z8z | abrotman: :( |
| 15:24.20 | queso | abrotman: I already have Iceweasel installed from mozilla.debian.net. I don't know how to upgrade it. |
| 15:24.29 | grimeton | rendar: remove the repo from sources.list |
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| 15:24.38 | abrotman | queso: i did tell you earlier .. |
| 15:24.39 | grimeton | rendar: or run an apt-get update before |
| 15:24.45 | abrotman | queso: aptitude update;aptitude install iceweasel |
| 15:24.46 | rendar | grimeton, ok, i'll try |
| 15:25.14 | queso | abrotman: I do that just about every day. It is not upgrading. |
| 15:25.18 | ytrezq | WIth 32Mo ram you'll need a compiler with lto (for running things like proxy accelarator) support and I couldn't managed to build a working one during the last mounth. :( |
| 15:25.25 | abrotman | queso: pastebin your sources.list (paste.debian.net) |
| 15:25.36 | rendar | when i'm doing apt-get upgrade, should i close the applications? e.g. if apt-get wants to upgrade chrome but its running, how it will work? |
| 15:25.48 | grimeton | rendar: no, that's fine |
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| 15:25.54 | rendar | cool |
| 15:25.54 | grimeton | rendar: run apt-get update before |
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| 15:26.07 | rendar | grimeton, yeah, now seems its working |
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| 15:26.40 | grimeton | rendar: yeah, you have to update the information of the package's location and version before you can upgrade the package itself |
| 15:27.06 | rendar | grimeton, ok |
| 15:27.12 | ytrezq | the debian site say it support mips malta board wich is for mips32 processor. I just need to find a mirror for manually downloading the binary Dpkg. |
| 15:27.15 | zozo | my /usr is full, and i want to clean it, how can i do |
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| 15:27.38 | grimeton | ytrezq: go to packages.debian.org enter the package name and the arch you're looking for, get the link, download the package |
| 15:27.57 | queso | abrotman: Ah! I must have put the iceweasel.list file that I created in the wrong directory... it's in /etc/apt instead of /etc/apt/sources.list.d I moved it and not it's working. :) |
| 15:28.06 | queso | ugh |
| 15:28.16 | queso | abrotman: I moved it and *now* it *is* working |
| 15:28.23 | ytrezq | grimeton: On packages.debian.org they don't have mips32 |
| 15:28.23 | abrotman | ytrezq: is this mips or mipsel ? |
| 15:28.25 | queso | abrotman: thank you! :) |
| 15:28.31 | ytrezq | abrotman: big endian |
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| 15:28.46 | abrotman | and you're looking for which file? |
| 15:28.56 | rendar | grimeton, but how in few words the upgrading of binaries works? i mean, if i'm running chrome, how apt-get can substitute the binary images? |
| 15:28.59 | ytrezq | a recent kernel |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-mips/current/images/malta/netboot/ .. those aren't it ? |
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| 15:29.28 | grimeton | rendar: that's not part of apt's or dpkg's work, it's done by the linux kernel |
| 15:29.48 | ytrezq | grimeton: packages.debian.org even don't make the difference between mips or mipsel |
| 15:29.56 | mythomaniac | abrotman: it's nice to see you still here... it's been a while |
| 15:29.59 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:30.07 | grimeton | rendar: if you overwrite a file that is still open for reading by another process, the link for the already running processes is kept until the last process accessing the file is ended and the fds are released, then, and only then, the old file is deleted |
| 15:30.11 | abrotman | mythomaniac: they tried to fire me :) |
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| 15:30.24 | grimeton | rendar: and the new file is copied in place and available for all upcoming processes the moment you updated the file |
| 15:30.27 | mythomaniac | abrotman: what! you're joking, yes? |
| 15:30.32 | abrotman | no |
| 15:30.37 | abrotman | uhm .. yes, joking |
| 15:30.47 | mythomaniac | abrotman: why would they do that... you been here as long as i can remember... |
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| 15:30.52 | grimeton | ytrezq: but p.d.o. lists all packages/archs that are available for debian |
| 15:31.11 | abrotman | mythomaniac: i'm kidding |
| 15:31.16 | rendar | grimeton, yeah of course i knew that, but i was just wondering if could lead to problems while using applications |
| 15:31.18 | mythomaniac | slaps abrotman |
| 15:31.19 | abrotman | ytrezq: did the link above give you the files you need? |
| 15:31.27 | grimeton | rendar: afaik not, but never say never |
| 15:31.35 | rendar | eheh |
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| 15:32.05 | abrotman | ytrezq: i thought you said you were trying ot use squeeze, but you can find the wheezy files also |
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| 15:38.39 | ytrezq | I don't realy know about debian. I just want the lastest kernel even unstable |
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| 15:39.52 | ytrezq | and 2.6 is over since many years |
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| 15:44.54 | ytrezq | Ok it was just matter of dealing with the site api http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all&arch=mips |
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| 15:57.03 | TBJoe | hey, I currently got debian and windows installed on my computer. I want to replace debian with mint ... is there anything I should take care of? last time when I re-installed debian, it somehow fucked my partition table up and I had to manually repair it - that's why I'm asking |
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| 15:58.23 | Nik05 | TBJoe ask #mint |
| 15:59.12 | TBJoe | oh sorry wrong channel .. |
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| 15:59.23 | patsToms | it´s #linuxmint at irc.spotchat.net |
| 15:59.39 | TBJoe | yeah I know I got it open right next to this tab :p |
| 15:59.40 | patsToms | #linuxmint-debian |
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| 16:00.55 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I have a corrupt alternatives entry: "corrupt: priority of /usr/bin/runghc6 is out of range: 8600000600". As a consequence I can't remove or update ghc. Any hints for a workaround? |
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| 16:01.36 | ElDiabolo | Somehow I have been trapped in bug #676970. |
| 16:02.04 | grimeton | It's a trap! |
| 16:02.35 | ElDiabolo | For every trap there is a trick. |
| 16:02.45 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: fix it by hand |
| 16:02.50 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: follow the links until you hit the problem |
| 16:03.13 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, Which links? |
| 16:03.31 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: the alternatives entries are usually links |
| 16:03.36 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: ls -al /usr/bin/runghc6 |
| 16:04.38 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, Yeah, but I won't get to the oversized priority, will I? |
| 16:05.00 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: imho on of the links in the list just points to $nowhere and that causes the error |
| 16:05.05 | grimeton | s/on/one/ |
| 16:05.36 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, No. priority is out of range. |
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| 16:06.06 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: could you please follow the links and check if one of the points to the wrong thing? |
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| 16:08.33 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, vostro:~# cat /usr/bin/runghc6 |
| 16:08.33 | ElDiabolo | #!/bin/sh |
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| 16:08.56 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, That link obviously points somewhere. |
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| 16:10.04 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: then where is this error coming from? |
| 16:10.35 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, This is explained in this bug report: bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676970 |
| 16:11.50 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: what about pasting the error message that YOU see so that we can fix YOUR issue and now what YOU THINK your issue is |
| 16:12.16 | grimeton | s/now/not/ |
| 16:12.28 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, Boils down to that that priority had always beeen above maxint and then update-alternatives was rewritten in C and then it started checking its data. |
| 16:12.41 | grimeton | ok, then wait till the bug is fixed |
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| 16:13.41 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, It is fixed, I am however trying to upgrade a box from testing where I hit it and it prevents an upgrade. |
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| 16:14.31 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: so if it is fixed, how did they fix it? |
| 16:14.33 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, So what I would like to know is how I manually edit priorities. |
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| 16:17.20 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: so if it is fixed, how did they fix it? |
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| 16:23.08 | ElDiabolo | grimeton, They turned the error into a warning in dpkg in 1.16.4.3. I do however have 1.16.12. Think I should read the dpkg changelog. |
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| 16:23.50 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: so in the end it's at least not your fault ... go and run apt-get -f install to let apt-get figure it out |
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| 16:24.14 | grimeton | ElDiabolo: if that doesn't work, install the package by hand running dpkg --install --force-all $somepackage.dpkg |
| 16:24.19 | grimeton | eer .deb |
| 16:24.40 | grimeton | the --force-all will continue even if there is an error |
| 16:24.54 | grimeton | so in the end you should have updated that one package and then you can rerun the apt-get -f install |
| 16:25.03 | grimeton | and propably you also want to run dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 16:25.39 | ikevin | hello |
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| 16:27.30 | ikevin | i need to reinstall a server based on debian 7 32b to a debian 7 64b, so, the server is located on far a datacenter, do i've a way to install a base system in 64b + sshd using debootstrap from the 32b system? |
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| 16:28.25 | grimeton | ikevin: if you really know what you're doing - yes |
| 16:28.39 | buu | That sounds like fun |
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| 16:28.58 | ikevin | i know it can be dangerous, so my boss would a 64b app on this server :x |
| 16:29.00 | c0mrade__ | WriteLn.Console("Hello"); |
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| 16:29.11 | c0mrade__ | How to install a .deb package? |
| 16:29.36 | ikevin | using debootstrap i've an error while trying to chroot due to a 32b kernel |
| 16:29.50 | mtn | c0mrade__: man dpkg |
| 16:29.54 | ikevin | should i need some things like qemu to do the new installation? |
| 16:30.10 | c0mrade__ | You want me to read the manual for a simple command? |
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| 16:30.14 | c0mrade__ | HeHe. |
| 16:30.17 | mtn | c0mrade__: yes |
| 16:30.19 | grimeton | c0mrade__: that was the idea behind it |
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| 16:30.27 | c0mrade__ | Anyone knows how to install a .deb package? |
| 16:30.39 | Nik05 | dpkg --install |
| 16:30.39 | ikevin | <mtn> c0mrade__: man dpkg |
| 16:30.41 | dpkg | Nik05: are you using Windows? |
| 16:30.42 | grimeton | ikevin: doesn't the hosting company offer installs? |
| 16:30.48 | mtn | c0mrade__: millions do, you could to if you read the manual ;) |
| 16:31.06 | ikevin | nop, we don't sell server, we sell baie |
| 16:31.59 | grimeton | ikevin: a remote install of a different system with the help of the running system is something you don't really want todo, but it is possible - sit down, make a plan, try it at home in a vm, and when you know what's going on and how todo it, carry it out in the wild |
| 16:32.01 | ikevin | if we can't make an online reinstall we need to go on the DC to do that |
| 16:32.53 | Nik05 | yes dpkg |
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| 16:33.32 | ikevin | at home it's easy, i can access to the command line of the new debian base system, i just don't know how can i use debootstrap to install the new base system (and chrooting on to install sshd) |
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| 16:34.02 | grimeton | ikevin: try it at home and when you know how todo it you can do it on the server |
| 16:34.09 | ikevin | i've already do some online installation, so without arch change |
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| 16:34.48 | ikevin | at home i don't know how to change arch without the need of a physical access to the server, that why i ask you |
| 16:35.13 | grimeton | ikevin: debootstrap allows to install additional packages - first thing |
| 16:35.15 | jaami | i am installing debian, i need to chage this according to debian, can you tell me what to change in this command firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:35.32 | grimeton | ikevin: next thing: you also have to configure a lot of other things like grub setup, kernels, fstab, networking and and and |
| 16:35.43 | grimeton | ikevin: figure it out at home, then do it on the server... |
| 16:35.45 | ikevin | i know, so it does not allow to install a 64b system from a 32b system |
| 16:36.01 | grimeton | i'd say it does |
| 16:36.07 | ikevin | my problem is that: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /root/hu/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 16:36.13 | jaami | sorry the command to change is this "dd if=/Users/me/Downloads/Fedora-17-x86_64-DVD.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M" |
| 16:36.27 | ikevin | it's the error generated while just installing the base system |
| 16:36.43 | grimeton | ikevin: yeah, please read again what i wrote three minutes ago |
| 16:37.49 | grimeton | ikevin: you can use 32bit commands to configure the 64bit system until its first boot |
| 16:37.50 | jaami | i have changed a bit but still need help "dd if=/Users/me/Downloads/firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M" |
| 16:38.05 | mtn | jaami: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 16:38.32 | jaami | ok thanks mtn |
| 16:38.37 | grimeton | jaami: what does the firmware image do>? |
| 16:38.44 | grimeton | jaami: don't you need the debian netinst image? |
| 16:38.48 | ElDiabolo | Bye. |
| 16:38.51 | ikevin | i know i can use some tool like nano, cp, ... to make my configs, so, how can i make the install if the tool refuse it? |
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| 16:38.58 | grimeton | the iso is hybrid and boots from usb sticks |
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| 16:39.19 | grimeton | ikevin: by running the 32bit tools from the outside pointing them to the 64bit environment on the inside? |
| 16:39.21 | ikevin | if i use dpkg from my 32b system, it will configure my 32b package |
| 16:39.34 | jaami | i dont know, someonr gave me link because other link will not see my wlan. |
| 16:40.21 | jaami | grim4593, i am trying to install debian from last 2 days |
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| 16:40.33 | jaami | grimeton, |
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| 16:40.42 | grimeton | jaami: ah, i see, that image does only contain the firmware necessary to use your wifi nic, so you have to hand it to the installer after it has booted |
| 16:40.50 | grimeton | jaami: best would be to burn that one on a cd/dvd |
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| 16:40.59 | grimeton | jaami: or mount it in the background during the install |
| 16:41.08 | grimeton | and offer it as a cd/dvd to the installer from the usb drive |
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| 16:41.37 | jaami | i was given the dd command |
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| 16:41.48 | grimeton | jaami: why don't you download a full install cd/dvd and install debian with the full version cd? |
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| 16:42.25 | jaami | grimeton, plz give me link that will work for sure |
| 16:42.37 | grimeton | jaami: what country? |
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| 16:43.10 | jaami | i did try many times. i get error during instsall, says kernalk not found |
| 16:43.12 | grimeton | jaami: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 16:43.21 | grimeton | pick the right arch and country |
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| 16:43.49 | jaami | kernal not found** |
| 16:43.51 | ikevin | grimeton, searching on google say it's impossible to switch from 32b to 64b using debootstrap from the 32b env |
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| 16:44.03 | grimeton | ikevin: yeah, that's right |
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| 16:47.05 | mtn | jaami: here is a good link to netinstall with firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 16:47.37 | hikenboot | hello I am trying to recover a system in a chroot installing open-vm-tools in a esx5i debian guest. It is giving me the error "FATAL: could not load /lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/modules.dep no such file or directory. I would guess this is a problem with a spit kernel in chroot ...anyone know how to fix |
| 16:47.53 | grimeton | ikevin: doesn't the 32bit system contain all commands that are required to configure the 64bit system? |
| 16:47.58 | mtn | jaami: looks like you have the correct .iso |
| 16:48.21 | jaami | mtn, i think your link is good because other links did not work |
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| 16:48.36 | ikevin | grimeton, to configure it, yes, to install it no, and i can't configure an os who is not installed |
| 16:48.38 | grimeton | hikenboot: i don't think you want to install those utilities in a chroot |
| 16:48.43 | jaami | yes, i was told to use dd command |
| 16:48.51 | hikenboot | trying to recover a system |
| 16:48.52 | grimeton | ikevin: you ran debootstrap to setup the basic system, didn't you? |
| 16:49.05 | mtn | jaami: I have used that firmware iso and the usb instructions and they work fine. |
| 16:49.15 | grimeton | hikenboot: what command did you run? |
| 16:49.21 | ikevin | yes, that debootstrap who generate an error while installing the 64b os |
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| 16:49.36 | grimeton | ikevin: and that error is? |
| 16:49.38 | bl | hey guys im trying to change permissions in apache 'www' folder in 'var' directory so i can edit the default index.html. What is the correct chmod command to do that? |
| 16:49.43 | hikenboot | sudo apt-get install open-vm-tools |
| 16:49.49 | grimeton | hikenboot: in the chroot? |
| 16:49.51 | ikevin | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /root/hu/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 16:49.56 | hikenboot | yes |
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| 16:50.12 | grimeton | hikenboot: it's a bad idea to run a command with sudo inside a chroot, as this could go and mix up the environment... |
| 16:50.19 | grimeton | hikenboot: i'd go for a root session inside the chroot |
| 16:50.29 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.33 | grimeton | ikevin: then mount it manually |
| 16:50.57 | jaami | mtn, please tell me what to change more in this command "dd if=/Users/me/Downloads/firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M" |
| 16:51.39 | mtn | jaami: the instructions tell you, you need to know what /dev/sd* is. make sure it points to your usb device and nothing else! |
| 16:51.45 | ikevin | grimeton, i've mounted it, without any problem, so i can't chroot into the partial install |
| 16:51.47 | jaami | mtn, i need to change this /dev/sdX bs=8M but i dont know how |
| 16:52.24 | grimeton | ikevin: let me check something, just a minute... |
| 16:52.37 | ikevin | ok, thx |
| 16:52.52 | mtn | jaami: to see your devices, check fdisk -l when your usb is mounted |
| 16:53.25 | jaami | mtn, wait a second, lwt me run the command |
| 16:54.59 | jaami | mnt plz see this http://dpaste.com/1422526/ |
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| 16:57.14 | mtn | jaami: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB |
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| 16:57.35 | jaami | mtn, ok ithank you |
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| 16:57.58 | mtn | jaami: you see how the debian wiki has lots of info for you? |
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| 16:58.53 | jaami | mtn, yes i see , i m reading |
| 16:59.23 | apt_getOpenSuse | Debian is a very good distro |
| 16:59.37 | apt_getOpenSuse | Unless you're not a neckbeard |
| 16:59.44 | grimeton | ikevin: i'm just bootstrapping a 64bit root in a 32bit wheezy to see how it goes |
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| 17:00.15 | mtn | apt_getOpenSuse: unless you are a dummy, you mean. |
| 17:01.08 | ikevin | in my case i read an howto from debian's wiki who suggest to install a 64b kernel with IA32 emulation an reboot on before using debootstrap |
| 17:01.12 | apt_getOpenSuse | If normal=dummy |
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| 17:01.35 | ompaul | trollish nick is trollish and or confusilating |
| 17:02.23 | apt_getOpenSuse | I just downloaded Opensuse using apt-get, it was the best thing I couold do with my debian wheezy |
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| 17:02.57 | mtn | smells a dumb troll |
| 17:03.20 | ytrezq | Sorry I have one question where I can download the modules wich fit with this kernel http://packages.debian.org/sid/mips/kernel-image-3.10-3-sb1-bcm91250a-di/download? (I don't have dpkg nor apt-get; just 7z) |
| 17:04.30 | grimeton | ikevin: sounds like an idea |
| 17:05.34 | ikevin | it seems debian's official kernel package have that, i try to install it, putting a fallback on grub and trying |
| 17:05.40 | ompaul | ytrezq: when you click on the link you download a udeb of it |
| 17:06.15 | ompaul | ytrezq: why no apt-get or dpkg? |
| 17:06.27 | ytrezq | ompaul: Yes i downloaded the kernel. but not the module package |
| 17:06.52 | ytrezq | ompaul: Because I'm using gentoo now |
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| 17:07.36 | ytrezq | (On x86-64) |
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| 17:09.10 | ytrezq | I won't go far if I don't have the modules |
| 17:09.55 | apt_getOpenSuse | You're gonna use a Debian kernel on a Gentoo installation? |
| 17:11.14 | ompaul | ytrezq: for whatever insane idea you have there is this http://ftp.COUNTRYCODE.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/firmware-free/and nonfree/f/firmware-* go have a look |
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| 17:11.38 | ompaul | ytrezq: and that clue was on that page you gave :) |
| 17:11.58 | ompaul | just not with the verbose switched on |
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| 17:12.34 | ikevin | grimeton, it seems to work (for debootstrap) |
| 17:13.22 | ytrezq | ompaul: I don't have this platform (I want to use qemu). But it seems it is the only kernel for mip64/smp debian have |
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| 17:16.51 | grimeton | ikevin: ok |
| 17:17.03 | grimeton | ikevin: i'm working on a different way, using the 32bit commands to configure the root |
| 17:17.17 | grimeton | ikevin: and it's working so far, just have to convince dpkg to run a different shell |
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| 17:17.32 | cheasee | hi |
| 17:17.48 | ikevin | you tell it to use shell from 64b system? |
| 17:17.56 | grimeton | ikevin: no, from 32bit system |
| 17:18.03 | ompaul | ytrezq: mips or mips sel? |
| 17:18.12 | ompaul | ytrezq: mips or mipsel? |
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| 17:19.48 | ikevin | like `chroot /path dpkg <some good options> package` ? |
| 17:19.51 | cheasee | is it possible to define stripe width/size in debian installer? im installing debian on a raid0 with two ssds, when i install debian on the raid0 its horribly slow, when i install on another media and use the raid0 extra, its fast as assumed. guess its the debian installer using wrong stripe size/width |
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| 17:20.50 | ompaul | ytrezq: the suggested way to get to sid is this: http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/mips/iso-cd/ get the first iso there install stable, then change sources to reflect testing / sid and dist-upgrade |
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| 17:21.06 | ompaul | ytrezq: or use the testing CD and d-u from that |
| 17:22.28 | grimeton | ikevin: no, i'm trying to tell dpkg to use the 32bit shell from the outside, but it's a bit tricky ... |
| 17:22.46 | grimeton | ikevin: the thing is that the 32bit system holds everything that is needed to configure the 64bit system, so it should be possible to work around that |
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| 17:23.38 | ikevin | at the moment i've installed a x86_64 kernel, rebooting on, debootstrap, install openssh + networking configs and rebooting |
| 17:23.54 | ikevin | i'm waiting a little to know if i've made an error or not ^^' |
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| 17:24.11 | ikevin | for now, it seems to be an error lol |
| 17:24.18 | grimeton | ikevin: ok, if this works, i don't have to waste time on the other solution |
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| 17:31.49 | ikevin | grimeton, it worked :) |
| 17:32.00 | ikevin | ty for your help :) |
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| 17:40.02 | ytrezq | ompaul: you have forgot most mips plteform don't boot on CD :) |
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| 17:40.35 | ompaul | ytrezq: you said you had qemu :) |
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| 17:42.00 | ytrezq | ompaul: Thanks but i've found what i need: ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.10-3-sb1a-bcm91480b_3.10.11-1_mips.deb |
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| 17:50.08 | BCMM | i don't have a debian machine handy, but debian's docs for ifup networking are superiour to everything. however, they reference /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz - can anybody send me a copy of that file? |
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| 17:53.03 | patriku | BCMM: on my system it is actually a symlink to /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
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| 17:53.20 | thingy | Ops: Could the channel topic be updated to point out that #debian-next is on OFTC and not Freenode as in Freenode that channel is invite only. |
| 17:54.05 | BCMM | patriku: any chance i could have a copy of that? i'm working with an embedded thing with no docs, but only debian seems to document /etc/network/interfaces decently |
| 17:54.06 | paxcoder | thingy, why? |
| 17:54.14 | patriku | BCMM: no problem |
| 17:54.45 | thingy | paxcoder: because then people wouldn't go around trying to find out how to get an invite into the channel. |
| 17:55.37 | paxcoder | thingy, so the topic is the same? |
| 17:55.40 | BCMM | patriku: decompress and pastebin might be easiest? any way is fine though |
| 17:55.47 | BCMM | i'm aware i'm kind of offtopic here |
| 17:56.13 | thingy | paxcoder: ? |
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| 17:57.14 | paxcoder | thingy, are you sure it's not like sid-dev (which would explain invites)? |
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| 17:58.50 | patriku | BCMM: http://cwillu.com:8080/217.41.233.149/11 |
| 17:58.57 | BCMM | patriku: thanks! |
| 17:59.34 | patriku | BCMM: np |
| 17:59.50 | drbrule | Hello, I broke my debian install. I thought it'd be fun to delete /etc/default/grub.conf and the entire folder of /etc/grub.d . I was able to boot back into my system, but I'd like to restore these conf files. Is there a way to do this with dpkg? |
| 17:59.51 | thingy | paxcoder: sid/dev ==> unstable. Topic says testing/unstable: #debian-next. If the topic is changed to be unstable: #debian-next that too would have been fine. |
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| 18:00.36 | paxcoder | thingy, nvm |
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| 18:03.34 | mumpitze1 | !tell drbrule about confmiss |
| 18:04.55 | grimeton | ikevin: you're welcome - even that i didn't do anything ... |
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| 18:06.20 | drbrule | any chance I could get some help with that, or is this the wrong channel? |
| 18:06.25 | ikevin | you've give me some ideas :) |
| 18:06.34 | patriku | mumpitze1: i would probably reinstall or unpack the package and copy all necessery files ...confmiss seems to be very handy , a lot more than my usual solution. |
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| 18:08.02 | mumpitze1 | patriku: you cannot copy. config files are runtime created |
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| 18:09.23 | drbrule | screw it I'll just reinstall it |
| 18:09.41 | grimeton | drbrule: pretty easy |
| 18:09.46 | grimeton | run update-grub |
| 18:10.04 | grimeton | drbrule: eeer wait |
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| 18:10.17 | grimeton | drbrule: i read you deleted /boot/grub/* |
| 18:10.19 | drbrule | grimeton: I did that, but it's not regenerating /etc/default/grub |
| 18:10.22 | grimeton | drbrule: reinstall the package |
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| 18:10.23 | galex-713 | Hello, I enabled apache2 deflate module, but it seems apache isn’t compressing my web pages : https://galex-713.eu |
| 18:10.28 | grimeton | drbrule: purge the package - that's important |
| 18:10.34 | grimeton | drbrule: dpkg --purge $grub-packages |
| 18:10.37 | drbrule | exactly, since /etc/grub.d is gone |
| 18:10.37 | grimeton | drbrule: and then reinstall them |
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| 18:10.45 | drbrule | I tried that with apt but ok |
| 18:10.54 | grimeton | drbrule: no, you have to purge them using dpkg |
| 18:11.29 | grimeton | grub_packages=$(dpkg -l | grep -i grub | grep -E ^ii | awk '{print $2}'); dpkg --purge $grub_packages; apt-get install $grub_packages |
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| 18:11.53 | galex-713 | Oh… |
| 18:12.17 | galex-713 | It seems it does when I ask for index.html |
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| 18:12.24 | galex-713 | But not when I ask for / |
| 18:12.31 | grimeton | galex-713: it also depends on your browser and it's capabilities |
| 18:13.07 | galex-713 | My browser is iceweasel (Wheezy version) and it can decompress gzipped pages, when I ask for index.html it does |
| 18:13.20 | galex-713 | (And in its requests headers it says it can) |
| 18:13.33 | grimeton | galex-713: i'd check the request of the browser and if it offers gzip compression when requesting / |
| 18:13.43 | galex-713 | What? |
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| 18:13.51 | galex-713 | What are you using? |
| 18:13.58 | grimeton | galex-713: heh? |
| 18:14.02 | grimeton | ngrep |
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| 18:14.20 | grimeton | or use the live headers plugin for firefox |
| 18:14.37 | galex-713 | I’ve tried with firebug |
| 18:14.47 | galex-713 | I’m trying with the firefox inspector |
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| 18:15.02 | grimeton | whatever |
| 18:15.12 | galex-713 | Oh yeh it does |
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| 18:15.18 | galex-713 | You’re right ^^" |
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| 18:16.17 | galex-713 | Is there a way so apache2 store a index.html.gz file with the content already compressed? To don’t have to recompress the file everytime it’s requested but everytime it’s changed? |
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| 18:17.19 | forgotmynick | hello |
| 18:17.26 | peterrooney | grimeton: grep and grub in the same pipeline? grub_packages=$(dpkg -l | awk ' $1 == "ii" && $2 ~/grub/ {print $2} ' ) |
| 18:17.42 | patriku | mumpitze1: but not all of them, i am sure i have done that with dnsmasq, which really comes with a general config file. But others are definitaly generated, i do agree on that. |
| 18:18.03 | grimeton | peterrooney: he? |
| 18:18.06 | peterrooney | galex-713: probably; /join #httpd for a more focused crowd |
| 18:18.23 | galex-713 | I’m already on it and I’ve just asked for on it ;) |
| 18:18.45 | galex-713 | Oh… my IRC client is saying to me “* #httpd :Cannot send to channel”… |
| 18:19.14 | galex-713 | Did I sent some message or not? |
| 18:19.23 | grimeton | galex-713: you didn't, did you register your nick? |
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| 18:19.29 | galex-713 | Yes |
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| 18:19.41 | peterrooney | galex-713: before you do that, please /msg dpkg cross post |
| 18:20.35 | forgotmynick | I'm trying to get NTP to fix my time but it doesn't seem work and I can't figure out what I've missed because I followed the guide https://wiki.debian.org/NTP - http://paste.debian.net/plain/59596 - any ideas? |
| 18:20.52 | grimeton | forgotmynick: you're running a virtualized machine and you can't change the time |
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| 18:21.05 | peterrooney | grimeton: I still flinch whenever I see grep and awk used together in a pipeline. It's redundant. |
| 18:21.25 | grimeton | peterrooney: and i don't give a f*ck |
| 18:21.37 | grimeton | optimizing bash oneliners is kinda useless |
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| 18:22.33 | galex-713 | peterrooney, yes, it’s true, but I was thinking I was wrong to ask here, and that this question should be asked on #httpd, so I did so (like you adviced me) |
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| 18:23.00 | [jasper] | hej guys, getting the following error: ACPI Warning: 0x000000000000f040-0x000000000000f05f SystemIO conflicts with Region \_SB_.PCI0.SBUS.SMBI 1 (20130328/utaddress-251) |
| 18:23.04 | [jasper] | any clues what this could be? |
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| 18:24.11 | grimeton | [jasper]: depends on where the error comes from |
| 18:24.24 | [jasper] | grimeton, during boot |
| 18:24.28 | grimeton | kernel? |
| 18:24.41 | [jasper] | ACPI Warning: 0x0000000000001c30-0x0000000000001c3f SystemIO conflicts with Region \GPRL 1 (20130328/utaddress-251) |
| 18:24.41 | [jasper] | Oct 19 20:20:20 BlackMesa kernel: [ 1.857455] ACPI Warning: 0x0000000000001c30-0x0000000000001c3f SystemIO conflicts with Region \GPR_ 2 (20130328/utaddress-251) |
| 18:24.46 | [jasper] | getting several during boot |
| 18:24.51 | grimeton | [jasper]: please use a paste service |
| 18:24.52 | [jasper] | how would I know if this is coming from the kernel? |
| 18:24.55 | [jasper] | sorry |
| 18:25.31 | grimeton | [jasper]: i wonder what the kernel tries to access there, can you pastebin a whole dmesg? |
| 18:25.45 | [jasper] | sure |
| 18:25.50 | mumpitze1 | [jasper]: nothing really you can do. any negative experiences due to this? |
| 18:26.37 | [jasper] | mumpitze1, well...I don't know about this..but my fans never spin down for example |
| 18:26.43 | [jasper] | I would like them to spin down if the temperature is ok |
| 18:26.50 | mumpitze1 | laptop? |
| 18:26.58 | [jasper] | no, homemade nas |
| 18:27.04 | [jasper] | new haswell board |
| 18:27.35 | grimeton | [jasper]: check if you can activate the temp management in the bios |
| 18:27.39 | galex-713 | So why can I not send messages to #httpd? |
| 18:27.44 | grimeton | because handing something like this to userland tools ... i don't know |
| 18:27.49 | forgotmynick | grimeton thanks |
| 18:27.53 | grimeton | galex-713: can't say |
| 18:27.53 | mumpitze1 | [jasper]: BIOS should already do this, no? |
| 18:27.58 | galex-713 | Ok… |
| 18:28.15 | grimeton | forgotmynick: you're welcome |
| 18:28.24 | ajiodwoiadioawj | Any idea why there's no steam package for wheezy? |
| 18:28.41 | grimeton | ajiodwoiadioawj: because none has been created ;) |
| 18:28.44 | [jasper] | http://pastebin.com/rCGuP6dJ |
| 18:28.56 | [jasper] | mumpitze1, is this the bios it's task? or is it the operating system? |
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| 18:29.10 | mumpitze1 | both sortha :) |
| 18:29.22 | [jasper] | yeah, that's what I though |
| 18:29.22 | mumpitze1 | but first line of defense is clearly BIOS |
| 18:29.41 | ajiodwoiadioawj | why is there one for jessie and sid then? |
| 18:29.41 | mumpitze1 | ie. if the OS does nothing at all, which is the default, bios will control it |
| 18:29.47 | grimeton | [jasper]: the problems you see are partly related to gpio stuff - is there an ACPI driver for this part of your board? |
| 18:29.59 | [jasper] | hm, I don't know if there is one for linux.. |
| 18:30.02 | [jasper] | there probably is for windows |
| 18:30.03 | [jasper] | :p |
| 18:30.06 | thingy | [jasper]: Does this help you: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-acpi/msg37954.html |
| 18:30.08 | grimeton | ajiodwoiadioawj: because they want to hassel you ;) |
| 18:30.21 | mumpitze1 | ajiodwoiadioawj: there is none cause the steam dependencies can't be satisfied with wheezy |
| 18:30.38 | ajiodwoiadioawj | ah that makes sense |
| 18:30.40 | thingy | [jasper]: summary, that link is saying that you need to un-select the CONFIG_LPC_ICH kernel option when compiling the kernel. |
| 18:30.46 | ajiodwoiadioawj | grimeton your answers are useless |
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| 18:30.53 | ajiodwoiadioawj | stop wasting my time |
| 18:31.01 | grimeton | ajiodwoiadioawj: feel free to put me on your ignore list |
| 18:31.06 | ajiodwoiadioawj | feel free to shut the fuck up |
| 18:31.11 | ajiodwoiadioawj | this is help channel not a sarcasm channel |
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| 18:31.44 | [jasper] | so the acpi errors have something to do with the fan speed thingy grimeton ? |
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| 18:32.14 | grimeton | [jasper]: possible, but i'd check the bios first - it's also possible that they have something todo with a on board gfx card |
| 18:32.48 | grimeton | [jasper]: let me check the address space |
| 18:32.55 | [jasper] | sure,thanks |
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| 18:35.26 | hacfi | hi everyone |
| 18:35.35 | galex-713 | Ok, my server compress requests, but my browser just had already the page in its cache ^^" |
| 18:35.41 | grimeton | [jasper]: if you ask me it has something todo with temp measurement of your cpu/gfx-card |
| 18:35.46 | hacfi | running debian 7.1..should I use LXC or OpenVZ? |
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| 18:36.02 | hacfi | someone said OpenVZ isn’t supported anymore..is that true? |
| 18:36.07 | petern_ | lxc is built into debian 7 |
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| 18:36.30 | hacfi | but it’s not as mature as OpenVZ, right? |
| 18:36.45 | grimeton | hacfi: if you want jails, use freebsd |
| 18:37.04 | ompaul | ops please do this /topic wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.2 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (only on irc.oftc.net ) |
| 18:37.09 | petern_ | hacfi, i don't think so. |
| 18:37.24 | thingy | ompaul: thanks |
| 18:37.26 | petern_ | i use lxc, but only to separate tasks, not for dishing out guests to people |
| 18:37.32 | Tetr | What "jails" are you talking about& |
| 18:37.52 | ompaul | Tetr: BSD jails are like linux chroot but not quite the same |
| 18:37.56 | hacfi | I just want to have containers so in case I screw sth up I don’t have to reinstall everything |
| 18:38.15 | hacfi | worked with openvz on debian 6 and was quite happy with it |
| 18:38.19 | ompaul | hacfi: qemu |
| 18:38.54 | hacfi | ompaul: thanks..I’ll check it out |
| 18:38.55 | ompaul | you want separation of powers that's the way to do it |
| 18:38.58 | Rydekull | hacfi: either are fine aslong as you are aware of its limitations and are not restricted by it |
| 18:39.23 | petern_ | oh yeah, i also use kvm in places, though it's more hungry |
| 18:39.28 | ompaul | babilen: ^^ see topic request I repeated it there |
| 18:39.30 | grimeton | chroot != bsd jails |
| 18:39.33 | hacfi | it’s just a testserver so don’t really care about performance |
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| 18:39.52 | hacfi | Rydekull: I once ran into memory problems with mongodb |
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| 18:40.12 | hacfi | not sure if that’s still a problem |
| 18:40.25 | ompaul | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6392944/whats-the-difference-between-a-linux-chroot-jail-and-a-freebsd-jail |
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| 18:41.43 | linux|newb | so, I've googled this one to death and tried multiple proposed solutions and none of them work quite right. Does anyone have any experience getting ATI Radeon drivers for HD 5xxx working on wheezy (64b)? |
| 18:41.59 | grimeton | ompaul: nobody said that stackoverflow is always right ;) |
| 18:42.05 | linux|newb | (mit dual screens) |
| 18:42.28 | hacfi | I’m going to give openvz another try as I’ve more experience with it |
| 18:43.09 | ompaul | grimeton: ah look, if it was chroot vs chroot that would be fine, it's not, and trying to describe them makes it like comparing AMG and a high end Mercedes or was it a VW and porche :) |
| 18:43.24 | grimeton | ompaul: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/jails-intro.html |
| 18:43.24 | ompaul | h/t Nik05 |
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| 18:43.31 | Rydekull | hacfi: Well, with that reasoning, I'd give lxc a try and then go openvz if it doesnt meet your expectations. But thats just me |
| 18:43.51 | hacfi | Rydekull: ok..lxc it is then :D |
| 18:44.11 | hacfi | I mean sooner or later lxc will be the 1st choice |
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| 18:44.27 | Rydekull | it is a big movement for lxc, yes |
| 18:44.52 | ajiodwoiadioawj | so I have to wait 2 years for Debian jessie to come out in order to use steam on a stable debian build? :P |
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| 18:45.43 | petern_ | Don't blame Debian ;p |
| 18:46.57 | ajiodwoiadioawj | I can't wait 2 years for a girl |
| 18:47.00 | ajiodwoiadioawj | that's just too long ;) |
| 18:47.12 | BitPuffin | will newer mesa drivers be available in ckports? |
| 18:47.34 | petern_ | There are ways of getting it to work, anyway. Just not using their "Linux" packages. |
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| 18:49.58 | ajiodwoiadioawj | oh yeah and if i accidently checked off mailserver can i uninstall all those packages with a command? |
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| 18:50.03 | ajiodwoiadioawj | im sure it installed postfix |
| 18:50.05 | ajiodwoiadioawj | no idea what else |
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| 18:50.17 | ajiodwoiadioawj | (on the debian installation) |
| 18:50.29 | petern_ | Default mail server on Debian is exim, I believe. |
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| 18:51.02 | ajiodwoiadioawj | alright i removed exim\postix packages |
| 18:51.07 | ajiodwoiadioawj | hopefully that's all |
| 18:51.20 | hacfi | with lxc: can I somehow (reverse proxy?) set up 2 webservers in two different containers listening on port 80 |
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| 18:52.02 | petern_ | Yes, you can do that. |
| 18:52.07 | hacfi | lovely :) |
| 18:52.40 | petern_ | No issues with port-hogging, like with vserver. |
| 18:53.34 | hacfi | but I have to use a reverse proxy!? |
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| 18:55.11 | petern_ | Nope. |
| 18:55.47 | petern_ | You can using bridging if yuo have real IPs, or port forwards if you use a virtual subnet, or... whatever. |
| 18:57.03 | hacfi | ok..have to read more about that |
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| 19:07.15 | linux|newb | I thought an xorg.conf was created by default but my wheezy install is missing it... therefore I'm not able to increase my maximum screen res. any ideas? |
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| 19:08.10 | mumpitze1 | linux|newb: xorg.conf hasn't been needed for years |
| 19:08.24 | mumpitze1 | you can create one, it is optional |
| 19:08.47 | linux|newb | mumpitze1: cool - cheers. just found wiki |
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| 19:18.57 | seanz | Greetings. I'm trying to install Debian on an IBM Thinkpad R51 laptop, but the installer appears to hang on the Detecting Network Hardware step. |
| 19:19.01 | seanz | Anyone else run into this? |
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| 19:19.47 | mumpitze1 | it shouldn't. might not be able to use the hardware but not hang |
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| 19:20.05 | mumpitze1 | which installer did you use? and how did you create your medium? |
| 19:20.15 | jhutchins | seanz: Verify your iso & boot media checksums. |
| 19:20.37 | seanz | mumpitze1: Hi. I downloaded the Debian net install iso, converted it to a .dmg and used dd to copy it to a USB flash drive. |
| 19:21.09 | mumpitze1 | the conversion to dmg sounds fishy. why would one do that when one uses dd? |
| 19:21.40 | seanz | Do I not need that? |
| 19:21.42 | mumpitze1 | I suggest you use the netinst with firmware then your intel wlan will work out of the box at install tiem |
| 19:21.44 | seanz | I can try the original iso. |
| 19:21.54 | mumpitze1 | no you don't. simply dd to a usb stick is what is normally done |
| 19:21.55 | seanz | mumpitze1: How can I identify that? |
| 19:22.03 | mumpitze1 | !tell seanz about firmware images |
| 19:22.21 | babilen | seanz: You should be able to use cp (or dd if you have to) to copy the .iso directly to the disk device (e.g. "cp foo.iso /dev/sdb") |
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| 19:22.51 | mumpitze1 | seanz: usually you have a intel WLAN on a thinkpad. for this, you need non-free firmware |
| 19:23.11 | seanz | babilen: So cp'ing the iso to the raw device is no different than using dd? |
| 19:23.25 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 19:23.29 | seanz | mumpitze1: I've installed both Gentoo and Bodhi Linux on this laptop without a problem, but I was using a CD. |
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| 19:23.41 | seanz | The difference is that I'm using a flash drive now. |
| 19:23.53 | mumpitze1 | seanz: bodhi and gentoo ship with non-free firmware blobs in the kernel, debian does not |
| 19:24.12 | mumpitze1 | flash or optical doesn't matter for network detection |
| 19:24.19 | seanz | mumpitze1: So who pays for it? I didn't pay for it when I downloaded those. |
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| 19:24.46 | seanz | When I visit the URL, I am informed that I don't have access to it. |
| 19:24.52 | mumpitze1 | no one does. non-free as in it is not free software. no one needs to pay for it as long as no one sues |
| 19:25.00 | mumpitze1 | which URL? |
| 19:25.14 | seanz | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 19:25.28 | seanz | That's the URL that came across when you did the !tell, mumpitze1. |
| 19:25.34 | mumpitze1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ use this one and then choose 7.2 |
| 19:25.44 | seanz | live+nonfree? |
| 19:25.59 | seanz | iso-hybrid? |
| 19:26.11 | mumpitze1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.2.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:26.33 | seanz | Alright, trying that one. |
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| 19:27.08 | seanz | Wow. How would I possibly have known this without you guys in IRC? |
| 19:27.14 | seanz | Honestly. How does one learn this info? |
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| 19:27.42 | mumpitze1 | for most people, debian default ISOs work normally. and it is mentioned in the install guide IIRC |
| 19:27.49 | mumpitze1 | so you didn't read documentation :P |
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| 19:27.59 | seanz | mumpitze1: There it is. |
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| 19:29.12 | seanz | mumpitze1: I'm assuming everything is normal beyond the firmware…if I want a server, I just install the appropriate packages and perhaps select the right kernel. |
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| 19:30.22 | linux2043 | how do i set the "network proxy" in gnome classic wheezy? "network proxy" is missing from the application menus. |
| 19:31.26 | Nik05 | ompaul: ? |
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| 19:31.32 | mumpitze1 | seanz: yes. and for a server I wouldn't use tasksel in the installer but install the servers via apt |
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| 19:33.13 | linux2043 | linux2043: i'll jump in later to ask...bye |
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| 19:36.16 | babilen | seanz: Not really all that different. cp has a nicer syntax and scales the blocksize dynamically so you copy fast. dd requires you to specify it (bs=???) or suffer from horrible performance. OTOH dd lets you see progress reports by sending it USR1, but then you could use the superiour dcfldd (dd on steroids) as well ... |
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| 19:37.02 | seanz | babilen: Is this still ok: |
| 19:37.04 | seanz | "cp: firmware-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso: could not copy extended attributes to /dev/disk1: Operation not permitted" |
| 19:37.06 | seanz | I got that error. |
| 19:37.21 | seanz | Otherwise, it looks like everything copied correctly. |
| 19:37.39 | pythonsnake | when i scp something which side has the more load? machine running scp or the other one |
| 19:37.56 | seanz | Be back in a bit. |
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| 19:39.37 | zykotick9 | hxm: mutt perhaps |
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| 19:40.10 | thingy | pythonsnake: if a symmetric encryption algorithm is in use, both source/dest would take up the same amount of cpu time |
| 19:40.39 | ompaul | Nik05: you didn't make the car reference yesterday ... oh well I best look at my logs and blame the right person :) |
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| 19:41.21 | ompaul | mumpitzel please check back to the AMG or porche reference here :) |
| 19:41.31 | ompaul | Nik05: sorry ;-) |
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| 19:45.23 | mumpitze1 | hm? |
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| 19:45.56 | pythonsnake | thingy: thanks |
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| 20:09.51 | hacfi | does anyone know a good tutorial for lxc? |
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| 20:10.35 | hacfi | the one I used doesn’t seem to be complete or so..lxc-start resulted in a few errors |
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| 20:13.19 | drybjed | hacfi: I have a script to build lxc containers... interested? |
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| 20:13.30 | hacfi | drybjed: yes please :) |
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| 20:13.40 | phr3ak | is lxc better than vserver? |
| 20:13.53 | drybjed | never tried vserver, so I don't know |
| 20:14.01 | hacfi | I think I properly set up a bridged connection |
| 20:14.03 | drybjed | lxc is not yet complete isolation solution |
| 20:14.25 | drybjed | hacfi: check this out: https://github.com/drybjed/ansible-aiua/blob/master/playbooks/roles/lxc/templates/usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-aiua.j2 |
| 20:14.41 | drybjed | look for {{ ... }} strings and fix them, and you're ready to go |
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| 20:14.56 | hacfi | thx drybjed! |
| 20:15.02 | drybjed | you will also need multistrap and this config: https://github.com/drybjed/ansible-aiua/blob/master/playbooks/roles/lxc/templates/etc/multistrap.d/stable.conf.j2 |
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| 20:17.10 | drybjed | hacfi: also, this script makes a really basic container, if you want something more, add packages in multistrap config file |
| 20:17.26 | hacfi | that’s toally fine..thanks |
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| 20:19.43 | hacfi | drybjed: rootfs is the host? |
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| 20:20.10 | drybjed | hacfi: no, $rootfs is the directory of container, ie. /var/lib/lxc/container/rootfs/ |
| 20:20.15 | hacfi | ok |
| 20:20.27 | hacfi | wasn’t sure about this because of auth eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:21.06 | hacfi | I think my network settings are a problem |
| 20:22.03 | drybjed | hacfi: I have problems with containers sometimes not asking for an ip address |
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| 20:22.17 | drybjed | but usually when I run dhclient eth0 inside, it works |
| 20:22.30 | hacfi | I’m a beginner and I have no idea how to test my configurations |
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| 20:22.38 | hacfi | or even how to set stuff up |
| 20:22.59 | drybjed | hacfi: a beginner, what level? can you setup dnsmasq? |
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| 20:23.22 | hacfi | I’ve set it up one my local machine 2 times (os x, not debian though) |
| 20:23.40 | hacfi | lxc-start seems stuck at "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 20:24.13 | drybjed | hmmm, then it's not a networking problem yet, I think |
| 20:24.21 | drybjed | have you used my script? |
| 20:24.43 | drybjed | there are some template variables inside {{ }}, have you fixed them all? |
| 20:25.25 | hacfi | I’ve run most of the commands manually to find the problem but I’m gonna run your script after I’ve been able to quit lxc-start |
| 20:25.49 | drybjed | hacfi: kill it from another console |
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| 20:26.02 | drybjed | and get used to add -d :-) |
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| 20:26.27 | hacfi | -d ? |
| 20:26.32 | hacfi | killing it doesn’t seem to work |
| 20:26.44 | drybjed | lxc-start -n container -d runs it in background |
| 20:27.11 | drybjed | kill -9 |
| 20:27.27 | hacfi | yep, kill worked now |
| 20:27.31 | drybjed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuGjtlsKo4s |
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| 20:33.43 | jiohdi | if I have two versions of debian on two partitions can I run apps from the non-running version using something like chroot? |
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| 20:34.02 | drybjed | jiohdi: theoretically yes |
| 20:34.14 | jiohdi | but no idea how? |
| 20:34.26 | drybjed | well, mount the partition, chroot into it |
| 20:34.38 | jiohdi | how exactly does one chroot into it? |
| 20:34.40 | drybjed | depends on the kind of program you want to run |
| 20:34.47 | drybjed | chroot /mount/point |
| 20:34.49 | jiohdi | I have heard this term for a couple of weeks now |
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| 20:35.35 | drybjed | you might want to bind some directories like /proc, /sys inside |
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| 20:36.35 | jiohdi | so if my 2nd is mounted on /debold I just chroot /debold? |
| 20:36.48 | drybjed | yes |
| 20:36.51 | jiohdi | not sure that that means |
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| 20:36.55 | jiohdi | but once I do that, then what? |
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| 20:37.45 | drybjed | in basic princibles, chroot spawns a shell and sets given directory as it's / directory |
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| 20:37.58 | drybjed | when you do chroot, what program do you want to run? |
| 20:38.46 | jiohdi | encfs |
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| 20:39.09 | drybjed | then just run encfs as usual |
| 20:39.16 | jiohdi | it tells me that fuse mod. is not installed, so when I chroot, its going by the kernel associated with the other partition? |
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| 20:39.33 | drybjed | no, it works on host kernel |
| 20:39.40 | drybjed | exit chroot and modprobe fuse |
| 20:39.51 | jiohdi | I have it on the host kernel but it says fuse kernel module not installed |
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| 20:40.03 | jiohdi | how do you exist chroot? |
| 20:40.13 | jiohdi | exit* |
| 20:40.14 | drybjed | then it might not work through chroot, I'm not sure about that |
| 20:40.19 | drybjed | just write exit |
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| 20:40.36 | drybjed | you can install encfs on base host and run it from there |
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| 20:40.57 | jiohdi | modprobe fuse just gave me a new blank line |
| 20:41.19 | drybjed | then it should be loaded |
| 20:41.23 | drybjed | lsmod | grep fuse |
| 20:41.53 | drybjed | in linux and unix, when command exits cleanly without telling anything, there were no errors |
| 20:42.08 | jiohdi | it says libkmod: ERROR |
| 20:42.22 | BitPuffin | does debian testing have latest mesa drivers? |
| 20:42.56 | mumpitze1 | BitPuffin: /msg judd v libgl1-mesa-glx and you will know |
| 20:43.02 | drybjed | jiohdi: what kernel do you have? |
| 20:43.23 | jiohdi | 3.10 |
| 20:43.53 | drybjed | run uname -a |
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| 20:44.26 | jiohdi | i did thats where I got the 3.10 |
| 20:44.34 | BitPuffin | What |
| 20:44.36 | jiohdi | I did exit but I am still chrooted |
| 20:44.38 | BitPuffin | why is testing using 9.1 |
| 20:44.42 | BitPuffin | Will it be updated? |
| 20:44.46 | drybjed | have you compiled it yourself or it's from debian? |
| 20:44.54 | jiohdi | its from sid I think |
| 20:45.00 | jiohdi | maybe testing |
| 20:45.11 | mumpitze1 | drybjed: it's probably the bpo kernel |
| 20:45.13 | BitPuffin | I mean 10 is coming out pretty soon it seems and it should be pretty complete with opengl support for legacy cards |
| 20:45.27 | drybjed | mumpitze1: it should have module support, right? |
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| 20:45.47 | mumpitze1 | of course |
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| 20:46.08 | drybjed | jiohdi: when you run lsmod | grep fuse, do you only get that error? |
| 20:46.11 | jiohdi | how do I exit chroot, exit alone did not do it |
| 20:46.24 | drybjed | try running exit again |
| 20:46.34 | BitPuffin | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=653cc008a8b2512b38f6d37c3357a3afee247b08 |
| 20:46.36 | jiohdi | I think the error is coming from the debold partition, the chrooted one |
| 20:46.38 | drybjed | jiohdi: you can always switch to another console |
| 20:47.03 | jiohdi | as soon as I close this terminal, the shell ends? |
| 20:47.14 | drybjed | yes |
| 20:47.24 | BitPuffin | When is jessie expected to freeze? |
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| 20:47.50 | drybjed | in feb 2014, I think... |
| 20:48.06 | drybjed | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html |
| 20:48.10 | jiohdi | jessie freeze was just announced and I think they did say feb |
| 20:48.17 | drybjed | ah, 5th november 2014 |
| 20:48.30 | drybjed | just got to remember, remember... |
| 20:48.34 | jiohdi | oh well, your member is as good as mine |
| 20:48.42 | jiohdi | memory* |
| 20:48.48 | drybjed | :P |
| 20:48.48 | jiohdi | sorry, one track mind |
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| 20:50.47 | BitPuffin | Hmm |
| 20:50.55 | BitPuffin | I wonder if it will get mesa 10 by then |
| 20:50.59 | jiohdi | ok, when I do lsmod |grep fuse I get fuse 61469 3 on the non-chrooted side |
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| 20:51.08 | drybjed | then it's loaded |
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| 20:51.18 | jiohdi | but the chroot side cannot use it? |
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| 20:51.27 | drybjed | just use encfs on main host |
| 20:51.55 | drybjed | I'm not sure how fuse plays with chroot |
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| 20:52.28 | jiohdi | what about running apps from the other side? do they have to be installed on the current running system or just on the chrooted side? |
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| 20:53.30 | drybjed | what kind of apps, daemons? user applications like gimp? |
| 20:53.48 | mumpitze1 | jiohdi: just inside the chroot |
| 20:53.48 | drybjed | remember that chroot doesn't run complete system |
| 20:54.01 | jiohdi | I tried to run thunar and it said cannot open display |
| 20:54.12 | mumpitze1 | jiohdi: did you chroot inside a xterm? |
| 20:54.22 | jiohdi | mumpitze1, yes |
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| 20:55.17 | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04 | http://pastebin.com/whkt0KnV |
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| 20:56.11 | mumpitze1 | jiohdi: what was the exact error message? |
| 20:56.13 | jiohdi | I guess you can run term apps like links2 |
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| 20:56.28 | mumpitze1 | you can run xterm apps too |
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| 20:57.11 | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04 | can u get help with my xorg issue |
| 20:57.16 | jiohdi | I can run things without xorg so far |
| 20:57.17 | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04 | i* |
| 20:57.50 | jiohdi | brb |
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| 20:58.43 | mumpitze1 | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: we do not support ubuntu. please ask in #ubuntu |
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| 20:59.46 | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04 | im actually on freebsd, im very sure its a general xorg issue, but i cant get help anywhere so im starting to goto *ix related rooms |
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| 21:00.03 | husonet | hello |
| 21:00.06 | mumpitze1 | we don't support freebsd either. we support debian _only_ |
| 21:00.27 | husonet | I use debian wheezy |
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| 21:00.46 | husonet | and use nginx |
| 21:01.11 | husonet | upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream |
| 21:01.31 | drybjed | husonet: your upstream took too long to respond |
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| 21:03.42 | husonet | yes drybjed config setting large_client_header_buffers 8 64k; |
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| 21:04.47 | drybjed | husonet: set proxy_connect_timeout |
| 21:04.56 | drybjed | and proxy_read_timeout |
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| 21:06.06 | husonet | proxy_connect_timeout 3; and proxy_read_timeout 30; |
| 21:06.14 | drybjed | bigger |
| 21:06.25 | husonet | :S |
| 21:06.40 | husonet | please example |
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| 21:07.07 | drybjed | proxy_connect_timeout 60s; proxy_read_timeout 300; |
| 21:07.23 | husonet | Okey try |
| 21:07.23 | drybjed | or do you work for twitter.com? ;-) |
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| 21:07.44 | husonet | :) |
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| 21:10.19 | hacfi | drybjed: not sure if I need libvirt-bin and debootstrap but I’m installing them right now |
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| 21:10.48 | drybjed | hacfi: for lxc? if you use standard LXC script like lxc-start, then no |
| 21:11.33 | drybjed | hacfi: if you want to create containers using scripts from Debian, install debootstrap |
| 21:12.11 | husonet | drybjed :( the problem continues |
| 21:12.14 | hacfi | drybjed: I’ve no idea what I want to do :p |
| 21:12.32 | drybjed | hacfi: what upstream? |
| 21:12.47 | husonet | 2013/10/20 00:12:34 [error] 5489#0: *889 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream |
| 21:12.48 | drybjed | how long should it do it's work? |
| 21:12.52 | jiohdi | I was running sid with nvidia and a recent update changed nvidia from 304 to 310 and borked my system, any way I can just restore it to nouveau |
| 21:13.12 | husonet | upstream backend { |
| 21:13.12 | husonet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.12 | husonet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.12 | husonet | } |
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| 21:13.19 | drybjed | husonet: proxy_read_timeout 1000; |
| 21:13.39 | grimeton | and the useless use of kick award goes to ... |
| 21:14.03 | drybjed | jiohdi: apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx |
| 21:14.18 | drybjed | jiohdi: and check what packages you have with dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
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| 21:14.39 | zykotick9 | drybjed: fyi, you can save some typing using "apt-get purge foo" these days |
| 21:14.54 | drybjed | zykotick9: ha, interesting |
| 21:15.12 | jiohdi | drybjed, just dump everything nvidia? |
| 21:15.12 | drybjed | shows how long I use Debian ;) |
| 21:15.23 | drybjed | jiohdi: yes, that should do the trick |
| 21:15.29 | grimeton | i wouldn't even put apt-get and purge in one bowl ... |
| 21:15.33 | drybjed | dpkg -l | grep nuveau too |
| 21:15.34 | dpkg | ii | grep nuveau too 1.5-2.1 drybjed's private gamp collection |
| 21:15.36 | jhutchins | I don't suppose there's some automated way to generate fstab. debootstrap left it blank. |
| 21:15.42 | jiohdi | drybjed, what do I install to get nouveau back? |
| 21:16.03 | jhutchins | !nouveau |
| 21:16.04 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). 3D acceleration is available as of Debian 7 "Wheezy", install the libgl1-mesa-dri package. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:16.30 | drybjed | jhutchins: you can generate fstab using you lxc creation script |
| 21:16.34 | zykotick9 | jiohdi: you'd need to remove the blacklist that nvidia propritary added... sorry i don't know the path details off teh top of my head. |
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| 21:16.57 | jhutchins | drybjed: Not running lxc. Running on a USB created with dbs. |
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| 21:17.36 | wolfmitchell | It seems on wine 1.4.1-4, I'm getting absolutely no sound.... on winecfg when I hit test sound I get "err:ole:CoInitializeEx Attempt to change threading model of this apartment from multi-threaded to apartment threaded"... anyone know how I would fix this? |
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| 21:17.49 | jhutchins | I think the wiki that tells you how to install the proprietary drivers says how to remove them. |
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| 21:25.58 | FreezingCold | Paying $5 for anyone how to teach me how to download this crap on Linux: https://stream.queensu.ca/app/plugin/plugin.aspx?insideIFrame=true&styleSheetUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fstream.queensu.ca%2Fapp%2Fplugin%2Fcss%2FensembleEmbeddedContent.css&contentID=y-YutsJovEuQuZMRlFriOg&embed=true&startTime=0&autoPlay=false&hideControls=false&showCaptions=false&width=640&height=386&q=www.queensu.ca |
| 21:26.07 | rwp | jhutchins, Regarding fstab, are you wanting automation to do many machines? Or just wanting to set up one machine? |
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| 21:28.13 | jhutchins | rwp: Just what I would expect from running the standard installer - swap, proc, whatever. The system seems perfectly happy without them though. |
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| 21:28.48 | rwp | Generally when debootstrapped it will be in a chroot and so won't need an fstab. Which is why it isn't set up by default I am sure. |
| 21:29.00 | jhutchins | rwp: Possibly. |
| 21:29.46 | rwp | Looking to see what is usually in there in a basic installation. |
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| 21:31.06 | rwp | jhutchins, Here is a fresh install in a VM: http://paste.debian.net/59631/ |
| 21:31.10 | grimeton | rwp: http://pastebin.com/TPY2zFGr |
| 21:31.37 | rwp | Haha, great minds think alike! :-) |
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| 21:32.48 | rwp | jhutchins, Do those pastes give you good enough examples to just hack them into shape for you? Or are you looking for something more? |
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| 21:38.46 | ebure | when jessie is going to get mumble-server? |
| 21:39.08 | jhutchins | rwp: Well, I was looking to the wisdom of the machine to give me something dead standard, but everything I found just hacked stuff into the file, so I hacked stuff into the file using a local example. |
| 21:39.28 | jhutchins | rwp: Thanks for the effort though! |
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| 21:39.31 | rwp | jhutchins, That is what I would do too. |
| 21:39.52 | rwp | Traditionally the /etc/fstab has always been a human edited file. |
| 21:40.03 | jhutchins | Arch apparantly has a genfstab script. |
| 21:40.08 | rwp | But the debian-installer does need to leave the system working. So it does set it up. |
| 21:40.18 | rwp | But after that point nothing else modifies the file AFAIK. |
| 21:40.29 | jhutchins | rwp: True, but so has grub's menu, hosts, resolv.conf... |
| 21:40.56 | jhutchins | It's interesting that the system is doing just fine without one. |
| 21:40.57 | rwp | Right. I am sure all of those are small scripts buried in the debian-installer somewhwere. |
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| 21:41.24 | rwp | What would the system need with one after it is already running? |
| 21:41.38 | jhutchins | Says something about arch that it has a utility to regenerate it. |
| 21:41.49 | rwp | In previous years Debian had a reputation to need a lot of manual effort to install. |
| 21:42.15 | rwp | But since you only install once and then the system runs forever and is upgradeable forever after that point there wasn't a lot of itch to make installing it easier. |
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| 21:42.34 | rwp | Because after you figured out how to do the install once then you were set for life. |
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| 21:42.54 | rwp | It was only the people doing many machines that really needed help to make the installation easier. |
| 21:43.00 | jhutchins | Heh. I've been doing this since that level of effort was pretty standard, and consider Debian to be pretty soft. |
| 21:43.19 | rwp | But Mark basically founded Ubuntu on having an easier to use mouse based installer for the less technical masses. |
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| 21:44.10 | rwp | The kernel module auto-discovery tool was the only thing that was really significant in my opinion. |
| 21:44.11 | grimeton | wasn't ubuntu africain for "I can't install debian" ? |
| 21:44.21 | rwp | chuckles |
| 21:44.27 | drybjed | as the saying goes... |
| 21:44.30 | jhutchins | I recently found I've been running Linux since before the first named release of Debian. |
| 21:44.42 | drybjed | jhutchins: impressive :) |
| 21:45.00 | rwp | Me too. |
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| 21:45.09 | jhutchins | One of these days I'll figure out what I'm doing. |
| 21:45.24 | rwp | I still remember reading comp.os.minux struggling with Minux and reading the early postings there. |
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| 21:46.03 | iustitia | Hello |
| 21:46.04 | jhutchins | That and the kernel.org mailing list for those of us without acces to usenet. |
| 21:46.10 | rwp | But before that there was the GNU Project. Technology of the future! |
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| 21:46.33 | rwp | iustitia, No need to go through introductions. Do you have a question? |
| 21:47.06 | rwp | jhutchins, If I ever figured out what I was doing it would take most of the fun out of it. |
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| 21:48.25 | jeep | ive found its an abusive three way relationship between hardware software(linux) and myself .. the rewarding feeling after having made something work overpowers the past abuses |
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| 21:49.26 | jhutchins | Yeah, but it's nice when it just goes "click, whirr". |
| 21:50.04 | jhutchins | ... which it increasingly does. |
| 21:50.20 | wolfmitchell | How would I get Wine to use my 64bit libasound2-plugins? |
| 21:50.32 | jeep | my next project is making my laptop into a hotspot so i can share my aircard to other devices |
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| 21:50.58 | jhutchins | wolfmitchell: You would spend several years working on winehq development to build a 64b compatible wine. |
| 21:51.03 | jeep | wolfmitchell: doesnt wine only do 32bit ? |
| 21:51.07 | rwp | jeep, hostap project! I almost have that working for myself. |
| 21:51.10 | wolfmitchell | dangit. |
| 21:51.20 | wolfmitchell | Could I install both a 32 and 64 bit liasound2-plugins then? |
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| 21:51.39 | wolfmitchell | when I try apt-get install libasound2-plugins:i386 it tries getting me to install 32bit versions of other things |
| 21:51.40 | jhutchins | !about multiarch |
| 21:51.48 | jhutchins | !multiarch |
| 21:51.49 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 21:52.08 | jhutchins | wolfmitchell: Note that multiarch is a work-in-progress. |
| 21:52.37 | wolfmitchell | I have multiarch set up, but I still can't have both 32 and 64 bit libs |
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| 21:53.46 | jeep | rwp: i swa some directions while back using a wired nic .. i assume settings would be same just swap out the eth0 bits for wwan0 |
| 21:54.57 | rwp | jeep, A hardware limitation of most wifi nics is that they can't do both modes at the same time. |
| 21:55.11 | rwp | jeep, So the workaround is to use a USB wifi dongle for the second wireless NIC. |
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| 21:55.54 | rwp | jeep, For me it makes the most sense to set up the built-in wifi as client mode. Leave it normal. |
| 21:56.00 | jhutchins | Installing xfce to a USB flashdrive is certainly taking a while. |
| 21:56.09 | rwp | jeep, Then add in a second USB wifi dongle for the hostap access point use. |
| 21:56.25 | jeep | rwp: im using a usb verizon aircard cdc_ether blah blah it ends up as wwan0 .. wlan0 is a rtl8139 card if i remeber correctly |
| 21:56.38 | rwp | XFCE is lighter than GNOME but still something like 1.5 gig, right? |
| 21:57.35 | jhutchins | Dunno really, it's a 16G drive for OS only, all data goes on the server. |
| 21:57.38 | rwp | jeep, Let me look up the command to list the attributes. If your built-in wifi supports AP then you are good to go with it. If not you must use another wifi NIC that does support AP mode. |
| 21:58.13 | cybrNaut | rwp: are you sure comp.os.minux is a group? this link fails me=> snews://nntp.aioe.org:563/comp.os.minux |
| 21:58.21 | grimeton | comp.os.minix |
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| 21:58.53 | cybrNaut | that's better |
| 21:58.55 | jhutchins | I wonder if google has nntp servers? |
| 21:59.11 | rwp | My typo. Sorry. But that was twenty years ago. Still in the archive I am sure. |
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| 21:59.59 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: there are free usenet servers, like aioe.org, so technically everyone has usenet access |
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| 22:00.37 | cybrNaut | there is also eternal-september.org |
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| 22:04.12 | rwp | jeep, Try "iw list" and see if it lists "AP" mode as a capability. If so then great. Many do not. If not then must us one that does list that. |
| 22:04.37 | wolfmitchell | jhutchins, but that doesn't solve the problem about wine not working with alsa... I need to install both the 32 bit and 64 bit libasound2-plugins for it to work, I think... |
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| 22:06.31 | jeep | rwp: yeah its listed i should be good |
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| 22:08.20 | rwp | jeep, This talk is motivating me to go work on it. I got it half going, open wifi only, before doing a bunch of travel and needing to pause. I should finish that up. Thanks for the motivation. |
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| 22:08.37 | jeep | rwp: i actually have Atheros AR9485 |
| 22:09.15 | rwp | My built-in Intel doesn not support AP mode. |
| 22:09.47 | rwp | But I have two USB dongles that do. One is the very small Edimax. The other is a Jacob's Parts dongle. Both work well with standard drivers out of the box. |
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| 22:12.18 | canddice | hi, im having an issue |
| 22:12.30 | canddice | i want to find the installation directory of a program called cacti |
| 22:12.35 | canddice | is there a way for me to find it? |
| 22:12.50 | grimeton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.50 | dvs | canddice: dpkg -L cacti |
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| 22:13.34 | jeep | rwp: this is what i was gonna follow http://log.pittoni.org/post/57702104921/turning-your-debian-box-into-a-wifi-access-point |
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| 22:13.51 | canddice | thanks |
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| 22:14.18 | jhutchins | canddice: dpkg -L cacti |
| 22:14.22 | canddice | hmm, there are many directories and i cant check allof them manually |
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| 22:15.36 | grimeton | canddice: dpkg -L cacti | while read line; do [[ -d "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done | sort | uniq | less |
| 22:15.44 | LordDeath | why isn't this working? |
| 22:15.45 | LordDeath | apt-get -t squeeze-backports --install-suggests install "munin" -s |
| 22:16.02 | LordDeath | it get an error because of the --install-suggests option |
| 22:16.17 | rwp | jeep, Interesting. Looks reasonable. The recipes I have been following do not set up a bridge. Otherwise they look similar. |
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| 22:16.44 | rwp | jeep, I was using shorewall to set up routing tables between the two interfaces. |
| 22:16.44 | grimeton | rwp: wifi and bridges has some pitfalls |
| 22:16.54 | canddice | damn now im stuck |
| 22:17.03 | rwp | jeep, The bridge in your reference would use a bridge instead. Similar results accomplished in different ways. |
| 22:17.07 | canddice | how can i get out of this thing, grimeton ? |
| 22:17.14 | grimeton | canddice: hit q |
| 22:17.21 | canddice | thnx |
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| 22:17.33 | canddice | i dont know what that is actually |
| 22:17.44 | jeep | yeah i want sure about the benifit of a bridge |
| 22:17.52 | grimeton | a list of all directories in the cacti package |
| 22:18.35 | canddice | hmm, im looking for a folder called rra, and it belongs to cacti |
| 22:18.46 | canddice | such a bitch to find |
| 22:19.36 | grimeton | canddice: it doesn't exist, but should be in /var/lib/cacti |
| 22:19.39 | dvs | canddice: dpkg -L cacti | grep rra |
| 22:19.59 | canddice | THANKS! :D |
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| 22:20.44 | dvs | time to learn some shell |
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| 22:21.41 | canddice | yep |
| 22:21.50 | canddice | any idea what this means: http://pastebin.com/MBkZdawg |
| 22:21.57 | canddice | im trying to see if i have a permissions issue here |
| 22:22.10 | canddice | the FAQ said check this folder's permissions |
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| 22:22.22 | grimeton | i expected an error message |
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| 22:23.16 | canddice | for? |
| 22:23.35 | grimeton | canddice: that shows your problem |
| 22:23.52 | canddice | ah, well there is no error. just the cacti graph for eth0 is not showing |
| 22:23.56 | canddice | it shows the graph, just no data |
| 22:24.12 | canddice | they said this is usually caused by bad permissions |
| 22:24.14 | grimeton | canddice: did you flush the cache and let it regenerate stuff? |
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| 22:24.20 | grimeton | turn on debugging and see if there are error |
| 22:24.21 | grimeton | s |
| 22:24.31 | canddice | run the debugging thing in cacti? |
| 22:24.46 | grimeton | yeah |
| 22:24.50 | grimeton | it's just a check mark you have to set |
| 22:25.12 | canddice | http://pastebin.com/EDhzBA9c |
| 22:25.27 | grimeton | can you see any errors? |
| 22:25.36 | canddice | nope |
| 22:25.41 | canddice | just 'total out: 0' |
| 22:25.46 | canddice | should be greater than zero |
| 22:25.56 | canddice | as this server is moving 1tb per day |
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| 22:26.13 | grimeton | maybe the service that queries the info from the device isn't running? |
| 22:26.50 | canddice | this should be using snmp |
| 22:27.02 | canddice | i dont understand it fully, but i think snmp gives the graph the data |
| 22:27.17 | grimeton | is cacti running on the same machine the data is counted on? |
| 22:27.21 | canddice | yes |
| 22:27.33 | grimeton | cacti is a bit of a mess when it comes to the point where everything is put together |
| 22:27.39 | grimeton | then it should be running a local script or something |
| 22:27.46 | canddice | oh... |
| 22:28.14 | grimeton | if it's running snmp queries then you have to setup an snmp server |
| 22:28.19 | jhutchins | Are there any particular recommendations - possibly a wiki - for running on flash/ssd? |
| 22:28.45 | canddice | i think the snmp server is set up automatically |
| 22:28.57 | canddice | as snmp can see eth0 |
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| 22:29.00 | grimeton | canddice: hint: thinking != knowing |
| 22:29.31 | canddice | snmp can see all of my interfaces, and it tells me their attributes |
| 22:29.41 | grimeton | then it should be working |
| 22:29.50 | grimeton | i'd check the logs to see if something goes wrong |
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| 22:30.12 | grimeton | i'm using cacti only to measure my power usage, so i can't really tell you anything more |
| 22:30.35 | canddice | yeah.... thanks |
| 22:30.43 | canddice | ive been at this for 6 hours straight :p |
| 22:33.02 | reavengrey | !!! |
| 22:33.03 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 22:35.51 | canddice | !! |
| 22:35.52 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 22:36.30 | canddice | yes, the script is called poller.php i think |
| 22:36.36 | jhutchins | canddice: Might be time for a break. Not familiar with cacti, but it might take some time to accumulate data. |
| 22:37.13 | canddice | it is supposed to poll every 5 minutes though |
| 22:38.19 | jhutchins | canddice: http://www.cacti.net/downloads/docs/html/faq.html |
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| 22:40.12 | jhutchins | For some reason this seems to be my week to sit and watch initramfs rebuild. |
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| 22:40.59 | jhutchins | Did it twice on ~25 systems at work (only needed once); now building for at least the fourth time for the new install. |
| 22:42.23 | grimeton | canddice: maybe darkstat is ok for what you want todo? |
| 22:42.45 | dvs | hands jhutchins a Rubik's cube |
| 22:43.29 | canddice | possibly! |
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| 22:44.30 | grimeton | canddice: http://unix4lyfe.org/darkstat/ |
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| 22:48.11 | canddice | thnx |
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| 22:49.01 | canddice | the developer of cacti told me to run the poller manually in command line.. |
| 22:49.33 | grimeton | and? |
| 22:50.01 | canddice | i think he is talking about poller.php |
| 22:50.05 | canddice | can i run that ? |
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| 22:50.31 | canddice | i got "command not found" when i tried to run it |
| 22:50.40 | wuffi600 | is there a package that provides "ATI Catalyst Control Config program"? |
| 22:50.53 | grimeton | canddice: check the data input method that is used by your data query |
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| 22:51.12 | canddice | i dont have a data input method |
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| 22:51.58 | canddice | the user guide doesnt mention it... |
| 22:52.25 | grimeton | canddice: as i said before - i have no idea how cacti polls the snmp data, but i'm pretty sure they're running some kind of poller |
| 22:53.05 | canddice | yeh! |
| 22:53.30 | canddice | damn, i tried "# php poller.php" -> could not open input file: poller.php |
| 22:53.39 | grimeton | i'm running a small python script that feeds my rrds right from the power management devices :) |
| 22:53.41 | canddice | everything is wrooooong |
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| 22:54.27 | canddice | is that how you run a php file? |
| 22:54.32 | grimeton | no |
| 22:54.36 | canddice | v_v |
| 22:54.36 | grimeton | there should be a command or something |
| 22:54.37 | linux|newb | anyone familiar with segmentation fault in handbrake (wheezy)? |
| 22:54.39 | grimeton | or a daemon |
| 22:54.41 | grimeton | depends on the config |
| 22:55.15 | Svetlana | canddice, well yes 'php' is a command that runs the file through php, try 'file poller.php' maybe |
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| 22:56.02 | jeep | linux|newb: handbrake does what ? |
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| 22:56.12 | canddice | could not open input file: file |
| 22:56.18 | grimeton | canddice: http://docs.cacti.net/manual:087:4_help.2_debugging |
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| 22:57.06 | linux|newb | jeep: launch it from terminal (ghb) for the most part allows me to select source by way of dvd video dir, start encoding and it disappears - terminal says 'segmentation fault' |
| 22:57.18 | canddice | ok i'll check the log now.. |
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| 22:58.56 | jeep | linux|newb: maybe strace would show it trying to access a missing lib ? |
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| 23:00.43 | Yoshi11 | when is sid moving from unstable to testing? |
| 23:01.04 | Bsims | Yoshi11: Sid is always unstable |
| 23:01.22 | linux|newb | jeep: ha. annoyingly, the moment I run strace ghb |
| 23:01.28 | linux|newb | and try and recreate issue |
| 23:01.32 | linux|newb | issue goes away :-\ |
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| 23:02.00 | Bsims | linux|newb: heh a heisenbug |
| 23:02.05 | linux|newb | ...although not strictly speaking a fair test as I didn't queue several jobs this time. I ran one encode only |
| 23:02.06 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: ok i guess the question is when is the next version of debian going into testing? |
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| 23:02.09 | jeep | linux|newb: if it comes back.. try just strace handbrake |
| 23:02.09 | canddice | no errors in log |
| 23:02.37 | rryoumaa | Yoshi11: unstable is always unstable. testing is also always testing, i think. stable is the only one that is so stable, it changes :) and that happens every couple of years or so. |
| 23:02.56 | linux|newb | jeep: cheers |
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| 23:03.17 | Yoshi11 | rryoumaa: yes a horse is a horse of course of course how obvious |
| 23:03.19 | Yoshi11 | :P |
| 23:03.35 | jhutchins | Yoshi11: I think the freeze was just announced for 5 November 2014. |
| 23:03.55 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: seriously? the freeze is set in advance like that? or is that a joke? |
| 23:03.56 | jhutchins | Yoshi11: So that would mean Spring of 2015 most likely. |
| 23:04.03 | linux|newb | Bsims: ..and yes, now I know that means - it would seem so |
| 23:04.13 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: That's what I heard. They could have had the year wrong. |
| 23:04.25 | demoorian | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html |
| 23:04.30 | Bsims | short answer is when its time... you can simply change your sources to read testing vs Jessie and it will update itself forever |
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| 23:04.48 | jhutchins | Yoshi11: Debian doesn't release by a schedule, ready-or-not, but when enough of the release-critical bugs are fixed. |
| 23:05.02 | Bsims | its more of a rolling update vs a schedule/release |
| 23:05.26 | hacfi | drybjed: got lxc running..thanks again |
| 23:05.41 | Bsims | Yoshi11: kinda make sense? |
| 23:06.07 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: yes and i was wondering when the update was comming to know when i should run my dist upgrade |
| 23:06.15 | linux|newb | back to an earlier question... now that I don't have xorg.conf (missed that one) how would I go about manually forcing higher res on big desktop? |
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| 23:07.27 | Bsims | Yoshi11: the way I would do it would be to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to read stable/testing/unstable vs a release name and then just update once a week or so |
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| 23:08.11 | linux|newb | ...like 1800 x 1440 maybe |
| 23:08.40 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: what line would i edit for that and how? |
| 23:08.43 | Bsims | linux|newb: install xrender? I think thats the one |
| 23:08.45 | jeep | linux|newb: xrandr |
| 23:08.51 | Bsims | thats the bunny |
| 23:08.55 | linux|newb | Bsims: jeep: cheers |
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| 23:09.27 | Bsims | Yoshi11: Ok, what release are you currently using? I'm assuming Stable |
| 23:09.43 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: wheezy |
| 23:09.49 | linux|newb | jeep: in a repo to your knowledge? |
| 23:09.53 | Yoshi11 | which is testing i think |
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| 23:10.13 | jeep | linux|newb: its already installed im surwe |
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| 23:10.31 | linux|newb | jeep: so it is... :) |
| 23:10.37 | LordDeath | mysql's "optimize table" on a innodb table <-- bad idea?? |
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| 23:10.47 | Bsims | Yoshi11: Wheezy is current stable. |
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| 23:11.23 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: ah well i think it was testing when i insstalled it originally. and i would prefer to keep on the testing |
| 23:11.26 | Bsims | Yoshi11: do you know how to use vim? if not just browse to /etc/apt/sources.list and edit it with the text editor of your choice |
| 23:11.40 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: i pref nano to vim |
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| 23:12.04 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: the question is what line do i edit and in what way |
| 23:12.20 | Bsims | Yoshi11: can you paste it into a pastebin for me? |
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| 23:13.19 | Bsims | basically change the word Wheezy to testing throughout that file, then sudo apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:13.36 | Lullull | if my iptables -L shows me this "ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp spts:27000:27030 dpts:1025:65355" does that mean that the portrange 27000-27030 is open so people can connect externally? |
| 23:13.43 | Lullull | Hello btw, I'm a noob xD |
| 23:13.44 | linux|newb | jeep: so I guess it is the queueing functionality in handbrake - as soon as I queued some encode jobs and started them, it bellied out |
| 23:13.56 | unkmar | so, how do change my theme. I'd like my font sizes to be smaller, everything is so XP, um, I mean, childishly cartoon big. |
| 23:14.16 | Yoshi11 | bssim http://paste.debian.net/59649/ |
| 23:14.40 | linux|newb | jeep: strace gave me nade: http://paste.debian.net/59650/ |
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| 23:15.40 | jeep | linux|newb: could try a newer version |
| 23:15.43 | canddice | im officially angry |
| 23:15.54 | Bsims | Yoshi11: change deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free to read deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:16.05 | linux|newb | jeep: yer, I took that one from the multimedia repo |
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| 23:16.53 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: and everyother wheezy in similar places to testing? |
| 23:17.01 | Bsims | Yoshi11: correct |
| 23:17.14 | Bsims | Yoshi11: its literaly a find and replace |
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| 23:17.53 | Bsims | then you will only need to dist-upgrade the once... forever <g> |
| 23:18.11 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: what about the cd lline |
| 23:18.35 | Bsims | Yoshi11: you can comment that line out... its no longer needed |
| 23:18.51 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: also iss there a testing-backports |
| 23:18.59 | Yoshi11 | or do i lose backport access by doing this |
| 23:19.15 | Bsims | I don't know... try it and see if it screams |
| 23:19.21 | unkmar | Okay, I see that it is freakishly large because of my resolution. I found gnome-tweak-tool. |
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| 23:19.52 | Bsims | you'll be basicaly running what would be the backports to stable, if you need to you can always install a specific package from unstable |
| 23:19.53 | linux|newb | jeep: huh. it must be to do with the way handbrake is setup to look at optical drive... if I manually select the source from 'files' it craps out. if I let it show me what it sees as the dvd I wanna rip, it works fine |
| 23:20.09 | Bsims | you will not /need/ backports |
| 23:20.51 | linux|newb | ..either way, it's working now :D |
| 23:21.09 | DANtheBEASTman | can someone explain what I'm doing wrong with apt-get source? http://sprunge.us/hEjR |
| 23:21.25 | Yoshi11 | thanks Bsims |
| 23:21.28 | DANtheBEASTman | sorry about the glyphs if they look weird. also, I've run apt-get update |
| 23:22.28 | unkmar | That helped some. Still freakishly large. :( |
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| 23:24.15 | Yoshi11 | Bsims: what means Failed to fetch http://cdn.debian.org/debian/dists/testing-backports/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'cdn.debian.org' |
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| 23:25.20 | Bsims | means there is no testing-backports... just comment out that line |
| 23:25.37 | DANtheBEASTman | nvm, I should've asked dpkg first |
| 23:25.57 | linux|newb | hmmm 19" monitors should support resolutions >1280x1024, right? |
| 23:26.03 | Yoshi11 | jesus 1966 mb of archives for a dist-upgrade |
| 23:26.22 | Orbitrix | most 19" 4:3 monitors are exactlty 1280x1024 |
| 23:26.34 | canddice | thanks for your help grimeton, but now im hitting the hay |
| 23:26.36 | canddice | night! |
| 23:26.38 | canddice | :) |
| 23:26.51 | demoorian | http://www.debianadmin.com/check-debian-archive-mirrors-bandwidth-using-apt-spy.html |
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| 23:27.26 | linux|newb | Orbitrix: excuse ignorance; possible to push beyond that and if so, merits against doing so? |
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| 23:27.46 | themill | Yoshi11: you'd do better with http.debian.net in your sources.list (cdn.debian.org doesn't exist) |
| 23:27.56 | Orbitrix | there are no benefits to running your monitor at a higher resolution than its native supported resolution |
| 23:28.05 | Orbitrix | it simply wont work |
| 23:28.14 | Yoshi11 | themill: i'll fix that up after the dist upgrade |
| 23:28.25 | linux|newb | Orbitrix: thank you |
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| 23:28.54 | linux|newb | Orbitrix: looks like I need new monitors :) |
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| 23:32.09 | tessicat | hello guys |
| 23:33.52 | jeep | !help tessicat |
| 23:36.04 | linux|newb | anyone else got black and white flash content when using flashplugin-nonfree with iceweasel? |
| 23:37.19 | linux|newb | although weirdly, I don't have the issue in youtube |
| 23:37.34 | jeep | its in black and white on purpose ? |
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| 23:37.39 | linux|newb | no |
| 23:37.49 | jeep | linux|newb: you sure post a link to it ? |
| 23:38.16 | linux|newb | I know it's not 'cause it displays fine in chrome |
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| 23:38.53 | linux|newb | jeep: but it's also not device specific 'cause I have the same issue on both, laptop and desktop |
| 23:39.06 | linux|newb | both running wheezy |
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| 23:40.40 | thingy | linux|newb: Are you sure its the adobe flash plugin that is being used? For example, do you have gnash installed? |
| 23:41.16 | linux|newb | thingy: adobe test site shows the version number |
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| 23:42.18 | linux|newb | thingy: 11,2,203,310 |
| 23:42.45 | thingy | linux|newb: ok but to rule out gnash, can you check whether its installed |
| 23:44.19 | Yoshi11 | oh crap this dist upgrade will probably break bumblebee then |
| 23:44.20 | linux|newb | thingy: http://paste.debian.net/59658/ |
| 23:44.33 | linux|newb | (appears it is installed :$ ) |
| 23:44.34 | jaami | i have firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso what i should do to install debian now? |
| 23:44.54 | thingy | linux|newb: Uninstall it, shutdown the browser and start it up and test please |
| 23:45.04 | linux|newb | thingy: 10-4 |
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| 23:46.01 | jaami | i am on fed17 need to get debian |
| 23:46.54 | thingy | jaami: are you planning on using the iso file to burn a cd or use it to prep a usb flash drive? |
| 23:47.24 | Yoshi11 | does anyone know if bumblebee is part of testing currently? |
| 23:47.25 | linux|newb | thingy: hmm, am I missing something? I shoud be able to commit that with 'sudo apt-get remove gnash*', right? |
| 23:47.36 | jaami | th plz let me know how i can make usb flash bootable to install debian with the iso. |
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| 23:48.15 | jaami | thingy, any thing that works is good |
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| 23:48.36 | themill | dpkg: tell jaami about usb install |
| 23:48.37 | jeep | jaami: unetbootin works like 75% of the time and its easy |
| 23:48.45 | Yoshi11 | jaami: far as i know the ffull cd's dont workm but the net installs do |
| 23:48.47 | themill | please don't use unetbootin... |
| 23:48.59 | jeep | yeah it tends to fail alot |
| 23:49.06 | themill | Yoshi11: CD1 is also bootable |
| 23:49.11 | Yoshi11 | themill: unebootin works and is efficient |
| 23:49.17 | jaami | all i need is to install debian without any error. like kernal missing etc |
| 23:49.22 | Yoshi11 | i dont understand your problem with it |
| 23:49.45 | themill | Yoshi11: no, unetbootin does not work a lot of the time. It screws up the image by rewriting it when all it needs to do is copy it onto the stick |
| 23:49.47 | jaami | dont worry, just tell me what is best way to install debian with thr iso |
| 23:49.59 | themill | Yoshi11: it might work for you, but that just makes you lucky |
| 23:50.00 | jaami | i was given the iso because there was some issue with wlan |
| 23:50.15 | jaami | then i was given link to read where i got confused |
| 23:50.36 | linux|newb | dd |
| 23:50.36 | Yoshi11 | themill: the only time i;ve ever seen it fail to produce a bootable result is like the debian live dvd but then other programmes failed at that too |
| 23:50.47 | linux|newb | :P |
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| 23:52.06 | themill | Yoshi11: we get a regular stream of people with all manner of very weird problems installing form usb and it's always unetbootin that is the cause. (The most common problems are the installer stopping and saying "can't find /cdrom" or grub not installing properly, but there are plenty of other failure modes too) |
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| 23:52.35 | themill | It's just not worth introducing a pile of extra failure modes into the installer image just because you want to use a popular piece of crap |
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| 23:52.51 | linux|newb | does dpkg-query require some sort of update to show realtime information? |
| 23:53.21 | themill | linux|newb: realtime in what sense? and what information are you looking for? |
| 23:53.59 | linux|newb | themill: I just removed gnash using 'sudo apt-get remove gnash*' and subsequently, 'sudo aptitude remove gnash' |
| 23:54.11 | thingy | themill / Yoshi11: ok jaami still needs a way to put that iso on the usb drive. Are we suggesting a cat iso > /device ? |
| 23:54.29 | linux|newb | yet, when I run dpkg-query -l 'gnash*' it still shows it sitting there |
| 23:56.06 | buu | linux|newb: Does it show it installed or downloaded? |
| 23:56.25 | themill | linux|newb: the first two characters show whether it is installer or not. |
| 23:56.27 | thingy | linux|newb: you need to purge (removed config) them after removing |
| 23:56.29 | themill | dpkg: tell linux|newb about purge |
| 23:56.41 | jaami | yes, i think its hell of issue here for me |
| 23:56.44 | jaami | :( |
| 23:57.09 | jaami | there are 4 dvd iso images and my usb is 8gb |
| 23:57.10 | themill | thingy: or cp or dd. (What dpkg said: /msg dpkg usb install) |
| 23:57.29 | thingy | jaami: ok in fedora, are you aware of which device is your usb drive when you plug it in? |
| 23:57.34 | demoorian | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 23:57.36 | themill | jaami: you can only put one image on the stick anyway |
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| 23:57.56 | jaami | yes i am aware of usb drive |
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| 23:59.16 | thingy | jaami: well then the command to put the iso into the usb pen drive is: "dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/somedevicename bs=4M; sync" <-- replace filename.iso and the device name. Be very sure you are using the correct device name! |
| 23:59.21 | jaami | yes one image at one time i know. what to do next |
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