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| 00:00.43 | jeep | maroloccio: x still works ? manually startx or manually starting gdm ? |
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| 00:08.11 | maroloccio | jeep: logging in from tty1 is fine. startx from there starts fine, just loads GNOME3, which was not my default |
| 00:09.19 | maroloccio | the sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 start goes fatal: cannot open file /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings for reading (no such file) |
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| 00:09.31 | jeep | maroloccio: quick fix is add startkde or whatever one you like to ~/.Xinitrc |
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| 00:09.56 | jeep | maroloccio: is gdm still installed ? |
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| 00:09.59 | maroloccio | jeep: i'd like for gdm to work |
| 00:10.06 | maroloccio | jeep: i think so. lemme check |
| 00:10.10 | somiaj | maroloccio: sounds like you have some config files missing for gdm3, you should try to reinstall that package. Look at /msg dpkg confmiss to ensure that file is installed. |
| 00:10.24 | blooger | Hi. I'm trying to install 32bit libs for the nvidia driver |
| 00:10.32 | blooger | does anyone know what packages I need? |
| 00:10.33 | sporadic_1 | dashs take a look at this: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/NFS-Van.html and search for "nfsvers=3" . not sure if helpful |
| 00:10.35 | maroloccio | dpkg --get-selections | grep gdm ==> install |
| 00:10.36 | dpkg | selects maroloccio's pr0n collection |
| 00:10.46 | somiaj | blooger: what do you mean? Are you trying to install the nvidia.com's nvidia driver? |
| 00:10.51 | blooger | no |
| 00:11.01 | somiaj | blooger: are you running wheezy? |
| 00:11.11 | blooger | I have the driver and everything I need in amd64, but I need the i386 version for certain wine applications |
| 00:11.12 | jeep | sporadic_1: he left |
| 00:11.20 | maroloccio | what was that comment about "collection"? by whom? |
| 00:11.23 | blooger | somiaj: I just updated I think I'm on jessie |
| 00:11.26 | somiaj | blooger: how did you install the amd64 driver? |
| 00:11.34 | somiaj | blooger: do you know about multiarch? |
| 00:11.37 | blooger | via apt |
| 00:11.43 | blooger | yes I do well I did previously heh |
| 00:11.45 | somiaj | blooger: can you give me the package name? |
| 00:11.59 | somiaj | blooger: I'm just double checking stuff, hope you don't mind |
| 00:12.17 | blooger | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 00:12.24 | blooger | 319.60-1 |
| 00:12.56 | somiaj | blooger: okay, I'm not use to using the prebuilt binaries, and I don't know how well they will work in jessie. |
| 00:13.08 | somiaj | blooger: oh wait nevermind. Do you have the package 'nvidia-kernel-dkms' installed? |
| 00:13.30 | blooger | yes |
| 00:13.34 | somiaj | blooger: it sounds like everything is setup, you do not need another driver installed. Your driver is fine |
| 00:13.39 | blooger | ye |
| 00:13.40 | blooger | yes* |
| 00:13.49 | blooger | all I need are some opengl libs |
| 00:13.51 | somiaj | blooger: what you need is the 32bit libaries for wine. So you odn't need the 32bit driver you need the 32bit libaries |
| 00:14.10 | blooger | sure |
| 00:14.10 | somiaj | blooger: I belive they are called something like libgl1-nvidia (do you see a package with a name like that, 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' |
| 00:14.49 | blooger | ah |
| 00:14.57 | blooger | rc libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 << have this, but it's the wrong version |
| 00:15.16 | somiaj | blooger: actually you don't have it installed, 'rc' means the package was removed but the config files remain |
| 00:15.37 | blooger | oh I didn't see the rc |
| 00:15.42 | blooger | good catch |
| 00:15.51 | somiaj | so yea, install the version of that package from jessie (it could be you found one of jessies many bugs including the nvidia drivers causing conflicts wth other packages |
| 00:15.57 | somiaj | welcome to jessie and enjoy fixing it. (: |
| 00:16.23 | somiaj | but it seems to me that during your upgrade apt couldn't figure out what to do with that package and removed it |
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| 00:16.42 | blooger | yeah there are a bunch of extraneous nvidia packages I have lying around |
| 00:16.46 | blooger | for wine stuff |
| 00:16.53 | blooger | I just forgot to write it all down |
| 00:17.03 | somiaj | blooger: did you upgrade to jessie just to run a newer wine? |
| 00:17.08 | blooger | no |
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| 00:17.24 | blooger | I upgraded to jessie because I wanted to run dist-upgrade :P |
| 00:17.35 | blooger | and that's what my sources.lst decided :) |
| 00:17.35 | somiaj | blooger: alrighty, I have detailed instructions on how to build a newer wine for wheezy and suggest to people run wheezy and use backports. (: |
| 00:17.41 | blooger | my game works now :D |
| 00:17.44 | blooger | I got the right one |
| 00:17.49 | blooger | thanks a bunch |
| 00:17.52 | somiaj | well have fun running jessie |
| 00:17.57 | blooger | haha |
| 00:17.59 | blooger | no worries man |
| 00:18.05 | somiaj | just be preapred for things like this to happen during your upgrades and have fun fixing them (: |
| 00:18.14 | blooger | it's not my first rodeo :) |
| 00:18.20 | blooger | thanks for the help |
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| 00:27.26 | we6jbo | I got an error. /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15` not found. Anywhere to get that? |
| 00:28.46 | echo083 | we6jbo, try apt-get install libstdc++6 |
| 00:29.04 | echo083 | or lib64stdc++6 if you are using 64bits |
| 00:29.20 | we6jbo | oh wow it did something |
| 00:30.28 | we6jbo | is i686 64bit? |
| 00:31.01 | STMelon | no |
| 00:31.28 | echo083 | we6jbo, no 32bit :) |
| 00:31.41 | echo083 | we6jbo, "wow it did something" = it works now ? |
| 00:31.53 | we6jbo | I think it's just too old |
| 00:32.04 | we6jbo | I thought there was a way to download it |
| 00:32.24 | echo083 | we6jbo, yes you can download the package and install it manually |
| 00:32.42 | echo083 | just double click and click on install |
| 00:34.27 | chrisirc | How do I get a list of packages that are all of (1) installed, (2) *not* auto-installed, (3) not system packages (coming with default Debian, or at least, being base or essential or so)? |
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| 00:34.58 | echo083 | (3) not system package ? what is a system package |
| 00:35.04 | echo083 | (1) dpkg -l |
| 00:35.06 | chrisirc | Or, failing that directly, just how do I get a list of auto-installed (or explicitely installed) packages? |
| 00:35.29 | echo083 | (2) apt-mark showauto |
| 00:36.01 | chrisirc | I want to see packages that I told at some point I want them installed. |
| 00:36.41 | chrisirc | i.e. not packages that came with Debian's installation. -> this is what I mean with (3). |
| 00:37.48 | echo083 | (3) apt-mark showmanual |
| 00:38.03 | echo083 | chrisirc, the 3 commands should provide you all the info you wan |
| 00:38.04 | echo083 | t |
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| 00:42.42 | Jonuz | I installed gnome-shell-dbg and now sounds arent working, any ideas?:D |
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| 00:45.35 | karsten | So, wmbattery's stopped reporting on my battery charge status with the latest upgrade (Jessie/sid amd64). I probably need to get some kernel/proc stuff sorted, ideas on where to start? |
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| 00:45.48 | chrisirc | echo083, thanks. It seems that "apt-mark showmanual" only shows packages that are currently installed, so I don't need either (1) or (2). It does the job that I wanted all by itself. |
| 00:45.52 | echo083 | Jonuz, reinstall alsa-base |
| 00:46.12 | echo083 | chrisirs, ok good ;) |
| 00:46.27 | echo083 | chrisirc, ok good ;) |
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| 00:49.32 | karsten | acpi -b _does_ show battery status: Battery 0: Unknown, 96% |
| 00:49.34 | karsten | Battery 0: Unknown, 96% |
| 00:49.35 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 00:49.43 | karsten | Sorry. |
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| 00:49.55 | karsten | abrotman: Heaven sucks. |
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| 00:50.34 | mumpitzel | we didn't think you went to heaven.... |
| 00:51.03 | mumpitzel | so why did the Horned One send you back? |
| 00:51.04 | karsten | mumpitzel: That might have something to do with why it sucked. |
| 00:51.24 | karsten | mumpitzel: Debinistas in a Windows Hell are still intolerable. |
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| 00:51.34 | GiBa | hey, i created some .deb and now i want to serve them for my servers, so in a internal webserver I copied the files and dpkg-scanpackages so now i can install from there, but all servers complain about gpg. any link to a doc telling me how to sign this? |
| 00:52.00 | GiBa | or a recommendation for a different way of doing this |
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| 00:52.51 | karsten | OK, strace says /proc/apm doesn't exist ... |
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| 00:57.13 | jaami | what is use of configuration directives of apache? can someone give me doc link? |
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| 00:58.31 | karsten | jaami: Might try #apache. |
| 00:58.57 | echo083 | jaami, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/configuring.html |
| 00:59.05 | jaami | karstaen those are debian related i think |
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| 00:59.25 | jaami | okay thanks. |
| 00:59.36 | karsten | jaami: Unless it's part of apt / dpkg, it's Apache, really. |
| 01:00.38 | jaami | yes, i was reading about apache on debian is different because to make use more simple |
| 01:01.52 | jaami | i thought the apache configuration directives can be used with apache2ctl |
| 01:01.56 | karsten | Hrm... is APM deprecated in current kernels? I don't find any APM config option in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:02.41 | jaami | in fact apache2ctl -L command shows all configuration directives. |
| 01:03.08 | karsten | jaami: What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:03.59 | jaami | im trying to change port of apache server with the configuration directives if possible. |
| 01:04.02 | karsten | http://www.debianadmin.com/apache2-installation-and-configuration-with-php-support-in-debian-linux.html |
| 01:04.33 | karsten | jaami: and: http://www.control-escape.com/web/configuring-apache2-debian.html |
| 01:05.28 | jaami | thanks karsten , thats what i was looking for. |
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| 01:06.58 | karsten | jaami: And I think what you want is 'etc/apache2/sites-enabled/' |
| 01:07.12 | karsten | ... where the available sites are in ./sites-available/ |
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| 01:08.40 | karsten | jaami: ... and apache2/ports.conf ;-) |
| 01:09.09 | karsten | jaami: See /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/NEWS.Debian.gz and README.Debian.gz |
| 01:10.22 | john_rambo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:11.17 | karsten | john_rambo: Why not install the qbittorrent package from Debian? |
| 01:11.45 | jaami | karsten, i am learning how to configure apache on debian. i will be runing my website soon. lol... thanks for all the links. i have changed port in ports.conf and it worked fine except for one warning. i will revert the port back to 80 because i dont to mess up things without any knowledge |
| 01:11.46 | john_rambo | karsten, I was using that version but it was crashing |
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| 01:12.03 | karsten | john_rambo: ... which is likely the simplest fix. Otherwise, you might want to auto-apt and use it to help resolve your library deps. |
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| 01:12.41 | karsten | john_rambo: Otherwise, my first bet would be: install libtorrent-rasterbar7 |
| 01:13.09 | karsten | !ops DoodieMoistPoot spamming |
| 01:13.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: karsten complains about: DoodieMoistPoot spamming |
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| 01:13.22 | karsten | erm. Hrm, not in the channel it seems. |
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| 01:13.44 | mentor | fwaps karsten helpfully |
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| 01:14.03 | karsten | mentor: Don't stop |
| 01:14.17 | karsten | wonders when the last time helix was in channel let alone ops was. |
| 01:14.28 | mentor | OK, but we're taking this to pm |
| 01:14.38 | karsten | :) |
| 01:14.40 | john_rambo | karsten, I installed this rasterbar from their website https://libtorrent.googlecode.com/files/libtorrent-rasterbar-0.16.11.tar.gz ..... Should I uninstall it and install rasterbar7 ? |
| 01:15.14 | karsten | john_rambo: My first preference is to use Debian packages where at all possible. |
| 01:15.29 | karsten | john_rambo: ... you should also have filed a bug on qbittorrent, BTW. |
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| 01:16.33 | mentor | Maintaining packages is more work than you would think |
| 01:16.53 | john_rambo | karsten, Its already there http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708113 |
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| 01:18.33 | karsten | john_rambo: Good. |
| 01:19.20 | john_rambo | karsten, How to use auto-apt? I mean whats the exact command ? |
| 01:19.58 | karsten | john_rambo: 'auto-apt run' will invoke a shell. RTFM. |
| 01:20.12 | karsten | The neat thing is that it will identify missing deps and prompt you for installs. |
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| 01:20.30 | karsten | You'll also want to run an 'auto-apt update' first to update the package / file inventories. |
| 01:20.43 | grimeton | karsten: FAQ you. |
| 01:20.43 | john_rambo | OKay |
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| 01:22.58 | zer0ff | (That is, I've tried to manipulate it without success) |
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| 02:00.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Pikudoz about root |
| 02:01.12 | Casolai | anybody know if 7.2 ppc build will properly support the last powermac g5? the quad core late 2005 model? I can't find info on that. |
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| 02:26.41 | BackEndCoder | hi guys .... so i've been away from home for a few months |
| 02:26.46 | BackEndCoder | with my computer at home left on |
| 02:26.56 | BackEndCoder | isp sends me an email saying i've over my cap limit ... |
| 02:27.18 | BackEndCoder | aprrently they charge for traffic origninating from my house etc |
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| 02:27.37 | BackEndCoder | i'm a bit suspusoius.. so i tell my firewall to drop everything leaving the house |
| 02:28.21 | BackEndCoder | port 6667 is coming up ... and i'm thinking... its just znc or something and i ignore it |
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| 02:28.27 | BackEndCoder | seems like it isn't |
| 02:28.34 | BackEndCoder | its root running bash |
| 02:28.52 | BackEndCoder | so i've been hacked or something |
| 02:29.01 | BackEndCoder | how can i trace these down futher... i killed it |
| 02:29.05 | BackEndCoder | and another one poped up |
| 02:29.11 | grimeton | pstree |
| 02:29.15 | grimeton | to see where it comes from |
| 02:29.16 | BackEndCoder | i only know how to see it in ps, not much else |
| 02:29.22 | grimeton | or check /proc/$pid/ for the parent |
| 02:29.36 | grimeton | but in your case i'd shut down the system... |
| 02:29.42 | grimeton | it's h4xx0r0r0rd |
| 02:30.12 | BackEndCoder | pstree says its coming from init |
| 02:30.17 | BackEndCoder | like everything else on the box |
| 02:30.35 | BackEndCoder | the system is my router ... i need to fix :P |
| 02:31.01 | james41382 | BackEndCoder: If it is coming from init does that mean there is something in /etc/init.d? |
| 02:31.12 | james41382 | Maybe someone dropped a script there.. |
| 02:31.16 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: check /etc/inittab |
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| 02:34.43 | BackEndCoder | i'm checking /proc/17716 (pid) |
| 02:34.47 | BackEndCoder | quite a few things in there |
| 02:35.05 | BackEndCoder | cat /etc/inittab is all confusing, but looks normal ish |
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| 02:36.16 | grimeton | if it is started by init, then it comes from /etc/inittab |
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| 02:36.49 | BackEndCoder | i'm not 100% sure it is |
| 02:37.04 | BackEndCoder | 17716/bash <-- pid etc |
| 02:37.04 | grimeton | or /etc/initscript |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | if your system is compromised, you can't trust any system tools |
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| 02:38.29 | vasile | s/compromised/compromisable/ maybe |
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| 02:38.35 | BackEndCoder | i don't even know if its compromised yet |
| 02:38.42 | BackEndCoder | i need to find this script thats running |
| 02:38.51 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: check /proc/17716/status |
| 02:38.55 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: for the PPid line |
| 02:39.04 | grimeton | that's the parent's pid |
| 02:39.43 | BackEndCoder | 1 |
| 02:39.43 | BackEndCoder | :( |
| 02:39.48 | BackEndCoder | thats bad right ?# |
| 02:39.55 | grimeton | 1? that's the kernel |
| 02:40.17 | abrotman | 1 is init |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | just like always |
| 02:40.25 | grimeton | check /etc/inittab and /etc/initscript |
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| 02:40.35 | BackEndCoder | ok so /etc/initscript in empty |
| 02:40.37 | grimeton | i bet there's something that respawns the shell |
| 02:40.45 | BackEndCoder | and is there somewhere i can paste inittab to you guys |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 02:41.00 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: there shouldn't be anything like bash in /etc/inittab |
| 02:41.12 | BackEndCoder | i don't see bash in that file |
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| 02:43.56 | BackEndCoder | http://paste.debian.net/60303/ |
| 02:44.05 | BackEndCoder | it looks identical to my other debian machine |
| 02:44.09 | BackEndCoder | so its coming from somewhere else |
| 02:44.19 | BackEndCoder | the only things that seem to respawn is the getty areas |
| 02:44.31 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: check if /sbin/getty is what it should be |
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| 02:45.32 | BackEndCoder | looks like an executeable |
| 02:45.38 | tiron | say I used a DDNS service to route HTTP/80 to a debian server locally, if I want to use that debian server as a "meta"-router, able to parse request paths and accordingly reroute the request to other machines on the network, what am I looking for? |
| 02:45.40 | BackEndCoder | nano doesn't runstand it |
| 02:45.52 | grimeton | tiron: squid |
| 02:45.55 | BackEndCoder | *understand |
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| 02:46.22 | BackEndCoder | same with sulogin, all executables |
| 02:46.35 | tiron | grimeton: and this should work for different ports (ssh, vnc, etc, etc), right? |
| 02:46.43 | BackEndCoder | can i do a text file search for 6667 ? i guess it will come back with something |
| 02:46.51 | grimeton | tiron: eeeh? ssh? vnc? via http? |
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| 02:47.07 | b-tag | tiron, are you talking about a load balancer? |
| 02:47.09 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: check on what ports the process is listening locally |
| 02:47.41 | BackEndCoder | netstat tells me 45126 |
| 02:47.50 | BackEndCoder | on a syn_sent type |
| 02:48.17 | BackEndCoder | this will remain like this unless i kill it |
| 02:48.19 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: and how does 6667 (irc) come into play then? |
| 02:48.33 | BackEndCoder | thats the outgoing destination port |
| 02:48.48 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: you sure you're not chasing a ghost (your irc client or something) ? |
| 02:49.00 | tiron | grimeton: like port-forwarding based on path, so example.ddns.com goes to HTTP on MainServer, whereas example.ddns.com/computer2/ssh will hit MainServer, which parses the request, and port-forwards to 22 @ computer2 (a local machine) |
| 02:49.12 | tiron | though it may be that I have a poor grasp of the layers/tech at hand and this just isn't possible? |
| 02:49.22 | BackEndCoder | this is a command line router debian machine, i am unaware of an irc client running on this... very much so as bash |
| 02:49.43 | BackEndCoder | and the ip's it trys are unknown to me |
| 02:49.51 | BackEndCoder | most of them show up in honeypot |
| 02:49.51 | grimeton | tiron: stuff like that isn't easily possible - you need to have something that tunnels anything over http |
| 02:50.10 | grimeton | tiron: but it won't work as you imagine ... |
| 02:50.20 | tiron | grimeton: right, figured it wouldn't be that simple, I guess dd-wrt is the best way to go with something like this. |
| 02:50.26 | tiron | grimeton: or, rather, openwrt |
| 02:50.50 | grimeton | tiron: that still doesn't solve your problem that ssh can't just be "redirected" / forwarded over http |
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| 02:52.46 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: if you reload init and then kill the process, is it still respawned? |
| 02:53.01 | BackEndCoder | i will see what happens |
| 02:53.30 | tiron | grimeton: yeah, I guess the workload wouldn't be worth the convenience for something like that |
| 02:53.31 | BackEndCoder | er, how do i reload init? :P |
| 02:53.40 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: init q |
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| 02:55.03 | BackEndCoder | yeah so i reloaded init |
| 02:55.06 | BackEndCoder | and killed that pid |
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| 02:55.09 | BackEndCoder | and it seems to have stopped |
| 02:55.32 | BackEndCoder | so a 'ghost' cost me 30 pounds in bandwidth |
| 02:55.34 | BackEndCoder | super |
| 02:55.46 | BackEndCoder | oh noes |
| 02:55.48 | BackEndCoder | its back |
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| 02:56.08 | grimeton | i wouldn't trust this machine anymore |
| 02:56.11 | BackEndCoder | new pid |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | said that 20 minutes ago |
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| 02:57.00 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: init just loads a bunch of files, /etc/inittab and /etc/initscript |
| 02:57.03 | BackEndCoder | its still annoying, cause i don't now where its comming from :( |
| 02:57.09 | veek | Inst base-files [7.1wheezy1] (7.2 Debian:unstable [i386]) |
| 02:57.09 | veek | Conf base-files (7.2 Debian:unstable [i386]) |
| 02:57.14 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: so whatever it is, it's inside those files or init has been changed |
| 02:57.22 | veek | whaat do those lines mean (apt upgrade -s) |
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| 02:57.47 | veek | is 7.1 being installed |
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| 02:57.59 | veek | but then why is 7,2 being configured |
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| 02:59.00 | BackEndCoder | ok fair enough. thanks for your help grimeton and team |
| 02:59.07 | BackEndCoder | i will do a format tomorrow :( |
| 02:59.19 | BackEndCoder | had that machine 8 years now |
| 02:59.31 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: it's hard to find it if it isn't inside inittab |
| 02:59.51 | grimeton | on alpine you could just verify the system files and if they have been modified |
| 02:59.53 | grimeton | that would help too |
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| 03:00.52 | BackEndCoder | i guess you are not talking about the email client alpine |
| 03:01.09 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: http://alpinelinux.org/ |
| 03:01.17 | grimeton | BackEndCoder: uclibc based distro for stuff like routers and such |
| 03:01.38 | abrotman | !debsums |
| 03:01.38 | dpkg | it has been said that debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | which of course, can only be mildly trusted |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | in the meantime, you could firewall off the port that is sending lots of traffic using iptables? |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | you could use iftop or jnettop to get a peek at traffic |
| 03:02.45 | BackEndCoder | it was the firewall that told me what it was causing the extra bw |
| 03:03.02 | BackEndCoder | the traffic has been dropped for a while now |
| 03:03.05 | BackEndCoder | its just annoying |
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| 03:04.13 | dont-panic | is there a cli channel? |
| 03:04.27 | dont-panic | i'm looking for a good xampp cli app |
| 03:05.38 | BackEndCoder | erm... surely just install lamp with apt=get like normal |
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| 03:06.10 | abrotman | dont-panic: finch or centericq (or whatever it's called now) |
| 03:07.29 | BackEndCoder | i thought he ment purple at first, but xampp is the apache windows gui mysql php thing |
| 03:08.02 | BackEndCoder | unless he ment xmpp |
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| 03:11.15 | jordilopezamat | dear #debian community |
| 03:11.22 | jordilopezamat | newbie here... |
| 03:11.45 | jeep | !ask jordilopezamat |
| 03:12.35 | jordilopezamat | in iceweasel browser ! how to get rid of the damned flash player ? it's making my system almost crash... |
| 03:12.44 | jordilopezamat | thanks beforehand for your attention |
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| 03:13.50 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, it depends how you installed the flash player you just have to uninstall it |
| 03:14.18 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, but you won't be able to use any flash application and you'll have to enable html5 to view videos on youtube |
| 03:14.20 | jordilopezamat | thanks echo083 ... i cannot reach the package on synaptic :-/ |
| 03:14.45 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, there is no package on default repositories so you manually installed i imagine |
| 03:14.48 | jordilopezamat | (sure... i understand.. is gnash an option ? alternative ? ) |
| 03:15.01 | jordilopezamat | right echo083 |
| 03:15.01 | jeep | jordilopezamat: in a shell type dpkg -l | grep flash |
| 03:15.11 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, other alternative are not working fine but i didn't try them since a while |
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| 03:15.23 | echo083 | jeep, good idea |
| 03:15.33 | echo083 | but i would suggest dpkg -l | grep -i flash |
| 03:16.06 | |oop | or delete the flash*.so file in your .mozilla/plugins if none of that works |
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| 03:16.20 | jordilopezamat | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.2 |
| 03:16.30 | jordilopezamat | .. amd64 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin " |
| 03:16.31 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 03:16.41 | jordilopezamat | both commands give the same output |
| 03:16.42 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, but before stop iceweasel |
| 03:16.52 | echo083 | after uninstall start iceweasel again |
| 03:17.00 | jordilopezamat | right |
| 03:17.07 | jordilopezamat | thanks again! |
| 03:17.14 | jeep | jordilopezamat: the -i switch on grep is for ignoring upper case |
| 03:17.34 | jordilopezamat | ah... nice to know |
| 03:17.38 | jordilopezamat | i take note ... |
| 03:17.39 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, no problem |
| 03:18.08 | jordilopezamat | apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree , done |
| 03:18.26 | jordilopezamat | ok... so, should i install gnash ? |
| 03:18.29 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, restart iceweasel and go to flash about |
| 03:18.42 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, check it is installed first |
| 03:18.43 | jordilopezamat | flash about ? :-/ |
| 03:18.47 | jordilopezamat | ah... |
| 03:18.48 | jordilopezamat | ok |
| 03:18.50 | echo083 | http://www.adobe.com/fr/software/flash/about/ |
| 03:18.59 | BackEndCoder | jordilopezamat, er, i would just install firefox tbh |
| 03:19.22 | BackEndCoder | you can steal it from the mintlinux repos |
| 03:19.42 | BackEndCoder | or install chromium... iceweasel just isn't worth it |
| 03:19.45 | BackEndCoder | its awful |
| 03:19.49 | jordilopezamat | ah... |
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| 03:20.04 | jordilopezamat | i still have flash playing ? :-/ |
| 03:20.22 | BackEndCoder | firefox treats flash differently |
| 03:20.24 | jordilopezamat | (thanks BackEndCoder for your suggestion) |
| 03:20.28 | BackEndCoder | and chromium has its own flash embedded |
| 03:20.34 | jordilopezamat | sure ... |
| 03:20.58 | BackEndCoder | but yeah iceweasel and flash... i couldn't be bothered to try and hack it together |
| 03:21.05 | jordilopezamat | so... |
| 03:21.09 | BackEndCoder | and it renders pages poorly anyway |
| 03:21.15 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, iceweasel is derived from firefox they just renamed it and changed the logo |
| 03:21.26 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, but iceweasel is always an old version of firefox |
| 03:21.31 | BackEndCoder | the version numbers are very out of date now echo |
| 03:21.39 | BackEndCoder | ^^ |
| 03:21.40 | jordilopezamat | yes, yes ...my problem is that i want to keep Sync (bookmarks) tool |
| 03:21.42 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, if you install the latest version of firefox it will manage flashplayer better i imagine |
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| 03:21.52 | jordilopezamat | ok... |
| 03:22.00 | BackEndCoder | that will probably work on firefox jordilo |
| 03:22.03 | BackEndCoder | give it a crack |
| 03:22.03 | jordilopezamat | and my guess is that Sync should do it's job |
| 03:22.16 | jordilopezamat | so i jump to Firefox... |
| 03:22.24 | echo083 | BackEndCoder, I imagine the last time i used iceweasel it was ten releases of difference and it was 4 years ago |
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| 03:22.46 | jordilopezamat | can both co-exist Firefox/Iceweasel ? that's my guess... |
| 03:22.57 | BackEndCoder | you can try |
| 03:23.02 | BackEndCoder | but i would remove it |
| 03:23.04 | BackEndCoder | http://superuser.com/questions/322376/how-to-install-the-real-firefox-on-debian |
| 03:23.05 | jordilopezamat | :-D |
| 03:23.06 | BackEndCoder | ^^ |
| 03:23.13 | jordilopezamat | mmh... ok |
| 03:23.15 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, synaptic doesn't propose firefox in the default debian repo because it is not fully compatible with their politic about open source as it is using thirdpary not opensource plugin like flash |
| 03:23.30 | jordilopezamat | ah.. nice to know |
| 03:23.40 | BackEndCoder | follow that article jordilopezamat for all your firefox needs |
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| 03:24.57 | jordilopezamat | ok... |
| 03:25.03 | echo083 | BackEndCoder, i manually untar the package i downloaded it seems quite handy thanks ! |
| 03:25.07 | jordilopezamat | BTW : " NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. " |
| 03:25.20 | jordilopezamat | http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?no_ab=1 |
| 03:25.31 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, yes it's a nightmare and nobody cares in the community |
| 03:25.35 | jordilopezamat | have you heard that before ? |
| 03:25.46 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, yes it was announced 2 years ago |
| 03:25.56 | jordilopezamat | ah... |
| 03:26.02 | BackEndCoder | jordilopezamat, tbh, i would use chromeium... its the nicest flash supported one imo |
| 03:26.06 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, the only solution will be to use chromium |
| 03:26.13 | jordilopezamat | and how do you think the communitu should react ? |
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| 03:26.22 | jordilopezamat | uops... |
| 03:26.31 | echo083 | jordilopezamat, no reaction i sent messages on facebook but nobody answered or was interested |
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| 03:26.55 | jordilopezamat | ah.. |
| 03:27.05 | jordilopezamat | so Webm is coming... |
| 03:27.09 | BackEndCoder | yeah cause flash in chromium is embedded i would use that |
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| 03:27.37 | jordilopezamat | on the other hand... but would take some time to repair all Flash has made |
| 03:27.41 | echo083 | webm is nice but what about games or exotic applications |
| 03:27.43 | jordilopezamat | i guess... |
| 03:27.49 | jordilopezamat | mmh... |
| 03:28.24 | jordilopezamat | ok... guys, i'm tempted on the Chromium option ... |
| 03:28.49 | BackEndCoder | the cool thing is you can install firefox and chromeium |
| 03:28.52 | jordilopezamat | although i was try to start my "life without google" ... |
| 03:28.57 | BackEndCoder | so you can try each to see what one you like best |
| 03:29.11 | BackEndCoder | you may even find some sites work better in one or the other |
| 03:29.14 | jordilopezamat | BackEndCoder... and how to share Bookmarks ? |
| 03:29.35 | BackEndCoder | firefox will be compaerble with your app (probably) |
| 03:29.46 | BackEndCoder | and chromeium will import it from firefox on install |
| 03:29.51 | BackEndCoder | then google will sync |
| 03:29.54 | BackEndCoder | from that point on |
| 03:30.21 | BackEndCoder | and unfotunatly, i don't think you can not use google in some way in this day and age, they have recently started working with facebook |
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| 03:30.26 | BackEndCoder | its the end of the world tbh |
| 03:30.41 | jordilopezamat | mmh... i don't like google syncing mi browsing history from years ago... |
| 03:30.52 | BackEndCoder | you can edit this in the settings |
| 03:30.54 | jordilopezamat | with FB ? ... are you kidding me ? |
| 03:30.59 | BackEndCoder | yeah i know right |
| 03:31.06 | jordilopezamat | WTF |
| 03:31.09 | BackEndCoder | google are displaying facebook ads from last week |
| 03:31.19 | BackEndCoder | its the begining of the end |
| 03:31.20 | jordilopezamat | come on! |
| 03:31.26 | jordilopezamat | indeed ... |
| 03:32.22 | BackEndCoder | for history problems, you can set in your google account to tell it to leave you alone... and incognito quite nice too |
| 03:33.35 | jordilopezamat | Ok... i'l try incognito. Damned, we really need this ... to be reversed |
| 03:33.41 | BackEndCoder | and ... i don't know if its linux supported yet... but opera has scrapped gekko to use the webkit engine |
| 03:33.50 | BackEndCoder | its basicly a not as advanced chrome |
| 03:33.58 | BackEndCoder | but this might be windows only for now |
| 03:34.01 | jordilopezamat | sure ... have you heard about https://gnunet.org/internetistschuld |
| 03:34.05 | jordilopezamat | GNUNEt ? |
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| 03:34.47 | jordilopezamat | BackEndCoder , as said, i'm leaving behind my google accounts.. |
| 03:34.50 | BackEndCoder | it doesn't wanna load for me, but i;ll check it out |
| 03:34.53 | tp43_ | I only have a root account at the moment, what is the best/easiest way to add a regular account user? |
| 03:34.59 | tp43_ | adduser? useradd? |
| 03:35.02 | jordilopezamat | or, at least, trying to ... |
| 03:35.12 | BackEndCoder | adduser newuserhere |
| 03:35.19 | tp43_ | BackEndCoder, thx |
| 03:35.40 | tp43_ | But I know there is a way to do that creates the directories and does all that kind stuff for you automatically too |
| 03:35.54 | BackEndCoder | it will do |
| 03:35.58 | BackEndCoder | with that method |
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| 03:36.11 | tp43_ | BackEndCoder, thx |
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| 03:36.24 | tp43_ | now to think up a username |
| 03:36.37 | BackEndCoder | tp43_ looks like a good one |
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| 03:40.20 | deutschluz | hello #debian |
| 03:40.27 | tp43_ | hi |
| 03:40.44 | deutschluz | I wanted some guidance about becoming a debain maintainer then developer |
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| 03:41.41 | deutschluz | I m reading the guides and howtos regarding packages ...but what else could i do? |
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| 03:44.18 | deutschluz | are there any debian mentors in here? |
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| 03:48.11 | iio7 | I have just upgraded a box from wheezy to testing. I noticed apache was installed during the upgrade. If I remove it, php5-cgi gets installed. If I remove php5-cgi, then apache gets installed. |
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| 03:48.47 | iio7 | Normally I would suspect apt to remove the packages and then warn about removing other packages that depends on the first, not force me to install something. |
| 03:48.48 | grimeton | iio7: there's something installed that depends on php |
| 03:48.56 | grimeton | iio7: and php depends on cgi or on the apache module |
| 03:49.16 | iio7 | Yes, but why doesn't apt remove that as well? |
| 03:49.24 | iio7 | Or warn about it |
| 03:49.50 | grimeton | because apt tries to satisfy the dependencies and not to remove packages that aren't directly hit by the dependency stuff |
| 03:50.00 | grimeton | you have to remove the package that depends on php |
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| 03:51.02 | iio7 | As I recall apt usually will remove what it's told to remove, then if it has something that depends on it, it will throw a warning and say it will have to remove those as well. |
| 03:51.18 | tp43_ | If I setup my ssh PermitRootLogin to no, can I still ssh as a regular use and login as root using su? |
| 03:51.18 | iio7 | How can I see what package needs either? |
| 03:51.40 | grimeton | tp43_: yes |
| 03:51.45 | LtL | tp43_: yes you can |
| 03:52.01 | tp43_ | grimeton, LtL thx |
| 03:52.46 | jordilopezamat1 | BackEndCoder , Indeed... those how are in Google, will be soon in Facebook hands, little by little ... as you pointed... "Hell Freezes Over: Google to Sell Facebook Ads" |
| 03:52.56 | jordilopezamat1 | http://mashable.com/2013/10/18/google-facebook-ads/ |
| 03:53.07 | maxxist | forgive my ignorance please. Is there a place i can find a how-to on installing enlightenment in wheezy 7.2? I cant seem to find e17 in synaptic. Im not sure if I have the correct repositories enabled. |
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| 03:53.22 | grimeton | iio7: good question |
| 03:53.28 | jordilopezamat1 | we really need GNU Net https://gnunet.org/internetistschuld ... the sooner the better ! |
| 03:53.35 | grimeton | iio7: i don't know if aptitude offers a reverse dependency test or something |
| 03:54.23 | tp43_ | what happens if I ssh as root, set permitrootlogin no and then restart ssh, it will be fine? Only the next time I try to login will it not be permitted right? |
| 03:54.33 | grimeton | tp43_: yes |
| 03:54.45 | iio7 | So I can't remove apache or php5-cgi, because X needs those, yet I can't determine what X is! |
| 03:55.07 | tp43_ | I don't have /etc/init.d/sshd, I only have /etc/init.d/ssh, is that the one? |
| 03:55.20 | grimeton | tp43_: yes |
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| 03:56.10 | tp43_ | grimeton, thx again |
| 03:56.46 | tp43_ | I think my vps is squeeze, I should probably upgrade to wheezy right away? |
| 03:57.04 | grimeton | tp43_: whatever makes you happy |
| 03:57.21 | deego | I think squeeze /is/ supported atm.. |
| 03:57.29 | tp43_ | grimeton, well, I think I'll be happy with the latest rather than legacy |
| 03:57.50 | deego | otoh, I like staying with stable. |
| 03:58.13 | tp43_ | deego, wheezy is stable, squeeze is old stable |
| 03:58.19 | deego | yeah |
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| 04:01.50 | vLK | Quick question: Could anyone tell me about a way to create a new environment for a program (with dependencies scattered over the old system) to run freely in? Im asking because I want to isolate it and its read/writes |
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| 04:02.38 | vLK | I cant afford virtualization, but something like a jail in FreeBSD maybe |
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| 04:03.17 | grimeton | vLK: linux containers |
| 04:04.01 | vLK | grimeton: That seems to be exactly what I wanted, thanks |
| 04:05.53 | dont-panic | anyone use finch? |
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| 04:25.19 | tp43_ | what the kernel say for debian 6 vs 7 when you enter uname -a, I am seeing for 6: 2.6.32-042stab078.28 and for 7: 2.6.32-042stab079.6 But I was expecting to see a version 3 kernel for debian 7 |
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| 04:29.37 | zer0ff | tp43_: you may have the linux-image-2.6-amd64 package installed, is this an upgrade from squeeze? |
| 04:30.01 | tp43_ | zer0ff, yes exactly, I upgraded from squeeze |
| 04:30.42 | tp43_ | zer0ff, its not a big deal though eh, I am still running the latest software right |
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| 04:32.33 | zer0ff | tp43_: depending on how much you read through and followed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html you may get the security updates you need.. |
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| 04:33.50 | Shadur | tp43_: If you want a 3.x kernel you'll have to install linux-image-3.11 |
| 04:34.23 | zer0ff | no, what? |
| 04:34.51 | zer0ff | Shadur: you can't be on stable |
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| 04:35.29 | tp43_ | I am running wheezy that good enough for me, it is vps, does it matter as much or it still matter just the same? |
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| 04:35.57 | Shadur | ... Oh, wait, just checked on the wrong comp. |
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| 04:36.22 | Shadur | Stable's on linux-image-3.2 |
| 04:36.39 | Shadur | Or you can install make-kpkg and build your own. |
| 04:37.14 | zer0ff | tp43_: dunno, you don't seem to care too much, but if you run into problems you know where to start (reading through the upgrade guide and see what you may have missed) |
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| 04:38.28 | tp43_ | zer0ff, you think I might have problems, I care about problems, man...that document is long, it used to just be you do apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade and thats it, you are good to go, |
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| 04:40.02 | tp43_ | I should upgrade the kernel eh!? |
| 04:40.09 | zer0ff | Shadur: it's best to use the dummy packages though, linux-image-amd64 (for example) depends on the latest stable kernel, will also help you through major upgrades (move on to the next release) |
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| 04:41.52 | linux4life798 | I second zerOff. |
| 04:42.24 | tp43_ | I'm not sure which linux-image to select, when I do uname -r I get 2.6.32-042stab079.6 |
| 04:42.42 | BackEndCoder | what machine do you have |
| 04:42.54 | BackEndCoder | 32bit or a 64bit |
| 04:42.57 | linux4life798 | That almost sounds like RHEL |
| 04:43.37 | tp43_ | its debian, a vps |
| 04:43.51 | linux4life798 | Oh. Sorry. -out |
| 04:43.56 | tp43_ | uname -a: Linux new 2.6.32-042stab079.6 #1 SMP Mon Aug 26 19:47:50 MSK 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:44.07 | BackEndCoder | what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say ? |
| 04:44.16 | BackEndCoder | look out for the arch line |
| 04:44.43 | tp43_ | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5639 @ 2.13GHz |
| 04:45.25 | BackEndCoder | thats a 64 |
| 04:45.31 | BackEndCoder | just to make sure type 'uname -m' |
| 04:45.50 | tp43_ | i686 |
| 04:45.59 | BackEndCoder | ok maybe its 32 |
| 04:46.11 | BackEndCoder | no wait... i get its a 32bit os on a 64 system ... |
| 04:46.13 | BackEndCoder | wo well |
| 04:46.29 | BackEndCoder | get the i686 linux image |
| 04:46.52 | tp43_ | pae? |
| 04:47.53 | tp43_ | linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 04:48.30 | BackEndCoder | yeah that will do |
| 04:49.32 | tp43_ | just apt-get install and then reboot? |
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| 04:51.23 | BackEndCoder | install it and see what happens first |
| 04:51.57 | BackEndCoder | maybe the meta package should be a better solution for you tho |
| 04:52.10 | BackEndCoder | that server you are using is a beast tho |
| 04:52.13 | BackEndCoder | its got 6 cores |
| 04:52.27 | tp43_ | it didn't work, I installed it, then I did a reboot and it still the old kernel |
| 04:52.46 | tp43_ | its vps only $15/yr |
| 04:52.49 | tp43_ | securedragon.net |
| 04:53.15 | tp43_ | I have to manually setup the boot loader eh |
| 04:53.50 | themill | Actually, I doubt you can change the kernel you are running on that VPS |
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| 04:54.43 | tp43_ | themill, really, ok, so I just installed it, what should I do now, apt-get remove/purge it? |
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| 04:56.58 | themill | most likely. kernel and "bootloader" are provided by your hosts virtualisation software by the looks of that uname -a. It's openvz, right? |
| 04:57.57 | tp43_ | themill, yep |
| 04:58.18 | tp43_ | so I'm fine the way I am |
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| 05:45.49 | flip214 | Hi everybody, my on "apt-get dist-upgrade" I get a few packages as "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required" |
| 05:46.05 | flip214 | and then the SAME packages appear as "The following NEW packages will be installed", too. |
| 05:46.31 | grimeton | flip214: yeah, the packages are installed and will be upgraded as long as you do not remove them |
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| 05:46.47 | grimeton | flip214: remove them and then run dist-upgrade |
| 05:46.58 | rhizome | hi all, i'm reinstalling. how can i save a list of installed packages? |
| 05:47.12 | grimeton | rhizome: dpkg -l > /path/to/some/file |
| 05:47.13 | flip214 | but why are they not simply listed as "will be upgraded", like some others? |
| 05:47.24 | rhizome | grimeton: thanks |
| 05:47.46 | flip214 | rhizome: I do 'aptitude search ~i | grep -v "i A" | cut -d " " -f 4 | sort' to get a list of "top-level" packages that require the others |
| 05:47.47 | grimeton | flip214: can you paste the output somewhere? |
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| 05:48.58 | flip214 | grimeton: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139570 |
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| 05:50.52 | grimeton | flip214: are the packages really installed or listed as rc ? |
| 05:51.37 | flip214 | grimeton: "LANG=C dpkg-query -l gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 python3-enchant python3-gtkspellcheck" says "dpkg-query: no packages found matching" for all three. |
| 05:51.57 | grimeton | hm interesting |
| 05:51.58 | flip214 | "dpkg-query -l | grep python3-enchant" is emtpy. |
| 05:52.01 | flip214 | *empty |
| 05:52.18 | rhizome | flip214: nice one. i added an egrep '[^\s]' at the end for beauty's sake ;) |
| 05:52.21 | grimeton | kinda weird isn't it |
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| 05:52.41 | flip214 | grimeton: So something seems to think that they're still installed and can be removed, while they'd get installed now anyway? |
| 05:52.54 | grimeton | flip214: dependencies i'd say |
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| 05:53.02 | flip214 | Is there some debugging information I can offer before simply doing the dist-upgrade and overwriting this state? |
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| 05:53.55 | grimeton | flip214: i'm not sure if I'm able to help you any further. maybe you should open a bug or something and ask for detailed info on this |
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| 05:54.14 | grimeton | flip214: backing up the dpkg and apt stuff in /var wouldn't be an error |
| 05:55.07 | flip214 | bugreport for apt, or dpkg? |
| 05:55.13 | grimeton | apt i'd say |
| 05:55.20 | flip214 | ok, will do. |
| 05:55.22 | flip214 | thanks. |
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| 05:56.06 | flip214 | just installing apt=0.9.12.1 as reportbug said there's a newer version |
| 05:56.16 | flip214 | same output. |
| 05:56.38 | grimeton | make sure to BACKUP /var BEFORE you install anything |
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| 05:59.01 | flip214 | grimeton: installing apt hasn't changed anything... and I didn't expect it to. |
| 05:59.20 | flip214 | I guess the state of these few packages is strange. |
| 05:59.46 | grimeton | looks like it |
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| 06:04.01 | jarray52 | Do BD-XL re-writer drives work out of the box on debian wheezy? |
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| 06:08.41 | flip214 | grimeton: thanks for the help. |
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| 06:24.40 | iarinov | i have two videocards, can i use it both? |
| 06:25.00 | iarinov | installed and powered on |
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| 06:25.54 | jeep | iarinov: yes |
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| 06:26.30 | iarinov | jeep, which technology should i use? |
| 06:27.13 | jeep | iarinov: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/how-set-dual-head-intel-graphics-randr-1.2 |
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| 06:27.40 | jeep | that should be the info you need |
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| 06:35.29 | iarinov | jeep, it should be about 2 connection with one videocard |
| 06:35.41 | iarinov | i have two cards with 2 connectors |
| 06:35.43 | iarinov | both |
| 06:36.28 | jeep | iarinov: its same technique using the different identifiers |
| 06:36.37 | iarinov | ok, thanks |
| 06:36.58 | jeep | see xrandr -q it should list all of them |
| 06:37.18 | iarinov | jeep, should i cancel proprietary driver usage and migrate to opensource? |
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| 06:38.02 | jeep | iarinov: use whichever works best for you |
| 06:38.06 | iarinov | seems it works with proprietary |
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| 07:16.04 | ViennaL | can I pin php to version 5.2 (from lenny) |
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| 07:21.41 | mumpitzel | ViennaL: probably |
| 07:21.52 | mumpitzel | why not try and install it? |
| 07:22.01 | ViennaL | because pinning php5* to oldstable will point to squeeze and not lenny |
| 07:22.12 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: i have 5.2 installed |
| 07:22.23 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: can i pin to lenny and not "oldstable"? |
| 07:22.35 | boudiccas | how can i lessen the hyper-sensitivity of my mouse please? like i only have to mouse over something and its selected, or a region of text highlighted. this is on fluxbox on wheezy |
| 07:23.02 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: http://pastebin.com/RM777xtz |
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| 07:29.49 | tp43_ | I had a dir called say somedir, and accidentally I entered "rm -r somedir&" and I got [1] 8992. Is it deleted, I don't see it, what happened? |
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| 07:30.12 | bhuddah | tp43_: you backgrounded that task. and yes, it is gone. |
| 07:30.26 | tp43_ | bhuddah, oh cool, thx |
| 07:30.45 | jelly-home | tp43_: "jobs" to see if the backgrounded jobs i still running, "fg" to put it in the foreground, and read about "job control" in bash manual |
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| 07:31.14 | tp43_ | jelly-home, thx |
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| 07:31.47 | auxy | hioo~ |
| 07:31.58 | auxy | is there a simple way to change the video mode of my terminal output? |
| 07:32.03 | jelly-home | bhuddah: the information tp43 has provided so far does not say whether the process is done or not yet, it just says it's backgrounded and its process id |
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| 07:34.50 | bhuddah | jelly-home: yes. okay. you are right. for very large dirs, it might just be partially deleted, tp43_ |
| 07:35.45 | tp43_ | it was a small dir, it must of complete right away cause when I did fg there was nothing to bring to the foreground, and when i entered jobs too and got nothing |
| 07:35.57 | jelly-home | right, that means the job ended |
| 07:36.25 | bhuddah | you should've seen another output that the job was done, i think. |
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| 07:38.40 | auxy | 80x25 feels so retro |
| 07:38.46 | auxy | I should at least be able to do 160x50 or something |
| 07:38.53 | auxy | or even a VESA SVGA mode |
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| 07:40.21 | grimeton | auxy: framebuffer? |
| 07:41.03 | ViennaL | mumpitzel: I think thats the solution for my problem: http://xuniltech.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/install-php-5-2-on-wheezy-debian-7/ |
| 07:41.28 | auxy | grimeton -- sorry, I don't know how to respond to your question |
| 07:41.42 | auxy | the graphics adapter is a Radeon HD 3200 integrated chip |
| 07:41.46 | grimeton | auxy: use framebuffer - install fbset and check if framebuffer is enabled |
| 07:42.02 | auxy | righto, installing |
| 07:42.11 | jelly-home | auxy: use the graphic interface instead of the very, very unoptimized console |
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| 07:42.39 | jelly-home | X with a full-screen xterm is going to be much faster than a fb console |
| 07:42.45 | auxy | ehh |
| 07:42.48 | auxy | but I don't have room for a mouse |
| 07:42.53 | jelly-home | ratpoison |
| 07:42.54 | auxy | and this machine is *mostly* just a gateway anyway |
| 07:43.08 | jelly-home | then don't use its console at all |
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| 07:43.13 | auxy | X is pretty slow on this machine |
| 07:43.20 | auxy | well I wouldn't but I blew up my desktop earlier |
| 07:43.22 | auxy | sooo yeah |
| 07:43.27 | jelly-home | and fb console is going to be even slower |
| 07:43.33 | auxy | slower than X? |
| 07:43.35 | auxy | that seems strange |
| 07:43.36 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 07:43.48 | auxy | I just wanted more characters on screen |
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| 07:43.50 | tp43_ | How do you set hostname permanently |
| 07:43.53 | auxy | I don't know why you're so upset about it |
| 07:43.56 | jelly-home | tp43_: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 07:44.01 | grimeton | auxy: try it, you can still switch later |
| 07:44.07 | auxy | grimeton -- ah, it doesn't work |
| 07:44.11 | auxy | sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified |
| 07:44.14 | tp43_ | jelly-home, thx |
| 07:44.19 | auxy | err wrong screen lol |
| 07:44.24 | zophy | hi |
| 07:44.38 | zophy | wrngscrn |
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| 07:44.41 | auxy | it gives me /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 07:44.50 | auxy | so I guess that means framebuffer is not installed |
| 07:44.59 | jelly-home | auxy: not upset at all, just pointing out what you're trying to do is suboptimal if you want to actually work on that machine |
| 07:44.59 | grimeton | auxy: yeah, it's about loading the right module now |
| 07:45.11 | auxy | jelly-home: no, just for IRCing |
| 07:45.24 | auxy | I'm not a developer or anything; not trying to "work" on this machine |
| 07:45.24 | grimeton | auxy: check for the radeonfb module |
| 07:45.33 | jelly-home | auxy: you're trying to use it though. |
| 07:45.47 | auxy | I seem to have radeon, no radeonfb |
| 07:46.04 | grimeton | auxy: modinfo radeonfb |
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| 07:46.25 | auxy | that's rather a lot of output |
| 07:46.30 | grimeton | so the module is there |
| 07:47.03 | grimeton | auxy: edit /etc/modprobe.d/radeonfb.conf and add option radeonfb mode_option=1024x768 |
| 07:47.09 | grimeton | auxy: then modprobe it |
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| 07:48.36 | auxy | I don't have that file; should I create it? I do have radeon-kms.conf |
| 07:48.49 | auxy | which has options radeon modeset=1 |
| 07:48.49 | grimeton | auxy: create it |
| 07:48.53 | auxy | righto |
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| 07:49.23 | auxy | done |
| 07:49.26 | auxy | oh, modprobe |
| 07:49.29 | grimeton | now modprobe the module |
| 07:49.37 | auxy | is it safe/okay to do that while I'm in screen? |
| 07:49.41 | grimeton | sure |
| 07:49.43 | auxy | or should I detach my screen first |
| 07:49.43 | auxy | okay |
| 07:49.47 | grimeton | it changes the resolution of the console |
| 07:50.10 | auxy | I got an error, kinda longish |
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| 07:50.17 | grimeton | pastebin it |
| 07:50.27 | auxy | eheh, well, no real way to do that easily |
| 07:50.46 | auxy | radeonfb.conf line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'option' |
| 07:51.01 | grimeton | optionS |
| 07:51.04 | grimeton | sorry, my fault |
| 07:51.08 | auxy | oh, hehe |
| 07:51.33 | auxy | modprobed successfully, but nothing happened |
| 07:51.37 | grimeton | fbset? |
| 07:51.39 | auxy | returned to shell silently |
| 07:51.52 | auxy | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 07:51.58 | grimeton | check dmesg |
| 07:52.00 | grimeton | for errors |
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| 07:52.30 | auxy | just iptables logs |
| 07:52.59 | grimeton | sure the module is loaded? |
| 07:53.17 | auxy | lsmod shows it |
| 07:53.25 | grimeton | and nothing in dmesg? |
| 07:53.44 | auxy | nuh uh |
| 07:53.54 | grimeton | unload it and modprobe again |
| 07:53.58 | grimeton | there should be some output |
| 07:54.07 | auxy | oh |
| 07:54.12 | auxy | I don't know how to unload it ^^; |
| 07:54.16 | grimeton | rmmod |
| 07:54.31 | auxy | okay -- no output when removed |
| 07:54.34 | auxy | let me modprobe it again |
| 07:54.46 | auxy | no output when modprobe'd lol |
| 07:54.50 | grimeton | dmesg? |
| 07:55.06 | auxy | just iptables stuff |
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| 07:55.25 | grimeton | hm weird |
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| 07:56.15 | auxy | is there a way to check if it might already be in some other mode? I ask because |
| 07:56.25 | grimeton | auxy: just for fun: load uvesafb |
| 07:56.34 | auxy | on boot, it starts off with BIOS-style 80x25 textmode and then at some point it does change typefaces |
| 07:56.40 | auxy | still 80x25 but a different font |
| 07:56.49 | auxy | okay, trying that |
| 07:57.09 | auxy | modprobe-ing uvesafb did nothing (returned silently to shell), nothing in dmesg |
| 07:57.19 | grimeton | did you remove radeonfb before? |
| 07:57.21 | auxy | oh, I was scrolled up |
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| 07:57.38 | auxy | there are messages in dmesg from uvesafb, not from radeonfb |
| 07:57.46 | auxy | I did not remove radeonfb |
| 07:58.02 | auxy | want me to do that and then try uvesafb again? or you want to know the uvesafb error messages first |
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| 07:58.14 | grimeton | ah, error message :) |
| 07:58.17 | grimeton | show me :) |
| 07:58.45 | auxy | argh, I don't have a good way to do that, hmm |
| 07:58.52 | auxy | no way to copy/paste from terminal |
| 07:58.57 | mumpitzel | "The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Ide\IdePort0." is this the controller, the cable or the disk? |
| 07:59.04 | grimeton | modprobe uvesafb 2>&1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 07:59.38 | mumpitzel | the disk is fine according to long SMART test except it has some spin retry count errors |
| 07:59.52 | mumpitzel | sorry. wrong channel |
| 07:59.54 | auxy | I don't seem to have curl |
| 08:00.04 | grimeton | auxy: install it |
| 08:00.06 | auxy | grabbing it |
| 08:00.07 | auxy | yah |
| 08:00.15 | mumpitzel | use wget then. or install nopaste |
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| 08:00.27 | mumpitzel | nopaste is a lot easier to use than this command above :) |
| 08:00.54 | auxy | I ran that command, grimeton, but it didn't give me any output |
| 08:00.57 | auxy | so I don't have a way to link you lol |
| 08:01.07 | grimeton | huh? |
| 08:01.40 | auxy | what ._. |
| 08:02.13 | grimeton | then install nopaste or whatever |
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| 08:03.06 | auxy | okeydoke |
| 08:03.18 | auxy | oh my god, that requires 37 packages |
| 08:03.20 | auxy | LOL |
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| 08:03.35 | grimeton | ... |
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| 08:03.52 | auxy | seems to be all because of perl |
| 08:03.58 | auxy | I didn't have any perl stuff installed yet |
| 08:04.13 | auxy | in case it wasn't painfully obvious I'm pretty well a linux noob |
| 08:04.14 | grimeton | eeeh debian without perl ... doesn't work |
| 08:04.21 | auxy | oh, really? |
| 08:04.28 | auxy | I wonder why it wasn't installed then |
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| 08:04.37 | auxy | Linux ageha 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:04.42 | auxy | it's debian after all |
| 08:04.49 | grimeton | believe me, debian without perl does not work |
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| 08:05.17 | auxy | hehe |
| 08:05.28 | auxy | well~ I didn't uninstall it or anything |
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| 08:06.12 | grimeton | if you try to uninstall perl you get a warning message |
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| 08:07.29 | CygniX | after changing ssh port to 2222, nestat - tapn shows it listening, but I cannot connect |
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| 08:07.35 | CygniX | it times out |
| 08:07.56 | grimeton | CygniX: firewall... |
| 08:08.06 | CygniX | It worked fine on 3 other systems |
| 08:08.14 | grimeton | CygniX: in that case... |
| 08:08.15 | auxy | nopaste didn't seem to work |
| 08:08.32 | auxy | sigh |
| 08:08.35 | JonB | I have apt-get sourced and build my own CVS package because I needed to enable-pam. The package I have installed is 2:1.12.13+real-9, but now apt-get upgrade tells me it wants to update Inst cvs [2:1.12.13+real-9] (2:1.12.13+real-9 Debian:7.2/stable [i386]) |
| 08:08.55 | JonB | this looks like exactly the same package number. Why does it still want to upgrade it? |
| 08:09.12 | grimeton | JonB: i guess because the date is newer |
| 08:09.16 | grimeton | JonB: set it on hold |
| 08:09.30 | JonB | grimeton: are the source package updated as well? |
| 08:09.42 | grimeton | JonB: if the version is newer |
| 08:09.43 | JonB | grimeton: aka, do I need to compile it again to make it go away? |
| 08:10.05 | grimeton | JonB: no, set it on hold: echo "$cvs-package-name hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:10.18 | CygniX | grimeton: this is the output of iptables -L http://paste.debian.net/60358/ |
| 08:10.21 | grimeton | auxy: if i don't have an error message i can't help you |
| 08:10.26 | auxy | thanks for trying to help grimeton |
| 08:10.32 | auxy | well =_= I can retype it all |
| 08:10.35 | auxy | actually |
| 08:10.40 | grimeton | CygniX: the policy is drop |
| 08:10.41 | JonB | grimeton: and what happens when there actually is a a real update to CVS, will the system then alert me to that? |
| 08:10.44 | auxy | I could just /exec -o it in IRC |
| 08:11.04 | grimeton | CygniX: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2222 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 08:11.18 | auxy | hey grimeton, jump in #flood for a second ^^ |
| 08:11.20 | grimeton | JonB: it will tell you that the package has been hold back |
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| 08:11.49 | CygniX | grimeton: why does it work fine with it s port 22? |
| 08:11.49 | grimeton | CygniX: for i in INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT; do iptables -A $i -p icmp -j ACCEPT; done |
| 08:12.01 | grimeton | CygniX: because it is in the fail2ban-ssh queue |
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| 08:12.25 | JonB | grimeton: I am not fully satisfied with this solution, because if I hold cvs now, when the system thinks there is an update |
| 08:12.40 | JonB | grimeton: what happens the day when there actually is a real update I need to know about |
| 08:12.50 | grimeton | JonB: do you want to have your self build package available or struggle with upgrades that remove the pam stuff? |
| 08:13.09 | grimeton | JonB: that's your job now. you have to take care that the package is up2date |
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| 08:13.12 | bezaban | is there no wheezy backports? |
| 08:13.29 | bezaban | or is it just not indexed on backports.debian.org/packages |
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| 08:14.29 | auxy | =_=; |
| 08:14.42 | CygniX | [04:11] <grimeton> CygniX: because it is in the fail2ban-ssh queue |
| 08:14.54 | CygniX | could you please elaborate on that? |
| 08:15.16 | grimeton | CygniX: check your paste - line 17 |
| 08:15.26 | grimeton | auxy: install v86d |
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| 08:15.41 | auxy | righto |
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| 08:16.52 | Ithrendil | hi |
| 08:17.16 | Ithrendil | i've this message with my fcgid server, i've try everything i've found on google and still doesn't work |
| 08:17.17 | Ithrendil | (104)Connection reset by peer: mod_fcgid: error reading data from FastCGI server |
| 08:17.19 | Ithrendil | any idea ? |
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| 08:17.56 | JonB | grimeton: I am okay with recompiling the package from time to time, but I would still love to get alerted when there is a new package that I have to recompile |
| 08:18.08 | grimeton | JonB: then keep it as it is |
| 08:18.23 | grimeton | JonB: rebuild the package, and reinstall it |
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| 08:18.40 | JonB | grimeton: I build it yesterday |
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| 08:19.12 | grimeton | JonB: looks like there is a newer package |
| 08:19.58 | JonB | grimeton: why are there a newer package with the same version number? |
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| 08:20.21 | grimeton | JonB: the date is newer, something else that apt thinks is important, has the bigger version number, whatever ... |
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| 08:20.49 | auxy | well, I installed v86d, then sudo modprobe uvesafb, and it didn't give any errors in dmesg this time (I scrolled down to be sure lol) but it also didn't seem to do anything or output anything |
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| 08:21.11 | grimeton | auxy: is /dev/fb0 available now? |
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| 08:21.22 | CygniX | grimeton: what happens after the system is rebooted with "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2222 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT" |
| 08:21.32 | grimeton | CygniX: it vanishes |
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| 08:21.50 | grimeton | CygniX: if you don't store the change to the config file that is located wherever the failban script locates it |
| 08:22.02 | auxy | no, I have nothing for fb* in /dev |
| 08:22.13 | grimeton | auxy: did you unload the other fb modules? |
| 08:22.22 | grimeton | auxy: this is becoming weird |
| 08:22.28 | auxy | no, but I will -- just radeonfb and uvesafb right? |
| 08:22.37 | grimeton | auxy: no, unload all and then just load uvesafb |
| 08:22.43 | CygniX | grimeton: so I need to look for fail2bain script and change 22 to 2222 |
| 08:22.47 | auxy | wait, all what |
| 08:23.03 | grimeton | auxy: unload all fb modules and then load only uvesafb |
| 08:23.07 | grimeton | CygniX: yes |
| 08:23.11 | auxy | I think I only have radeonfb and uvesafb |
| 08:23.17 | JonB | grimeton: I just recompiled, installed the .deb package but apt-get upgrade still wants to install cvs |
| 08:23.38 | grimeton | JonB: yeah, i know your problem. and i told you a solution to this. |
| 08:23.55 | grimeton | JonB: that's what the hold mode is there for |
| 08:24.30 | auxy | oh |
| 08:24.32 | auxy | that did something |
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| 08:24.44 | auxy | after I removed radeonfb and modprobed uvesafb |
| 08:24.48 | grimeton | auxy: check for /dev/fb0 |
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| 08:24.54 | CygniX | grimeton: would you happen to know the file I should look for |
| 08:24.57 | auxy | yes, I have it now |
| 08:25.03 | grimeton | CygniX: no, i have no idea |
| 08:25.06 | JonB | grimeton: and I am telling you that I dont think that holding it will still give me information about new versions |
| 08:25.20 | grimeton | auxy: fbset should give you info on your current resolution |
| 08:25.40 | grimeton | JonB: yeah, and i tell you that it shows you that the package was hold back and that it is your job now to keep it up2date |
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| 08:26.15 | auxy | ah~ that's neat! |
| 08:26.40 | grimeton | auxy: fbset -xres 1200 -yres 1024 will give you a different res |
| 08:27.03 | auxy | oh boy! |
| 08:27.05 | auxy | that's fantastic! |
| 08:27.09 | auxy | thank you so much grimeton! |
| 08:27.13 | grimeton | it's 1280 |
| 08:27.13 | JonB | grimeton: I need to know when there is an update, and the fact that it daily tells me that it is holding back an "update" when there are no update will make me ignore the time when there is actually a real update |
| 08:27.17 | grimeton | auxy: make it permanent |
| 08:27.22 | JonB | grimeton: I do not need a daily false alert |
| 08:27.36 | grimeton | auxy: echo "options uvesafb mode_option=1280x1024" > /etc/modprobe.d/uvesafb.conf |
| 08:27.42 | grimeton | auxy: and remove the radeonfb.conf |
| 08:28.26 | grimeton | auxy: and then echo "uvesafb" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 08:28.37 | grimeton | auxy: and then rebuild the initramfs files update-initramfs -u |
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| 08:29.00 | grimeton | JonB: maybe someone else has a better solution ... |
| 08:29.01 | zophy | what virtualization should i use to boot a windows 8 partition ? |
| 08:29.07 | grimeton | JonB: i don't |
| 08:29.15 | auxy | grimeton: neat ^^ I did 1024x768 because this old IBM 2124 monitor doesn't support anything higher hehe |
| 08:29.21 | JonB | zophy: I use KVM |
| 08:29.26 | JonB | grimeton: ok |
| 08:29.27 | grimeton | auxy: ok |
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| 08:29.50 | ViennaL | can I use wheezy with a kernel 2.6.32? |
| 08:30.01 | zophy | my cpu doesn't support hardware virtualization |
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| 08:30.10 | grimeton | zophy: then use virtualbox |
| 08:30.12 | zophy | does qemu work ? |
| 08:30.18 | auxy | I don't know if you want to run Windows 8 on something that doesn't support hardware virtualization |
| 08:30.51 | zophy | eh, no biggie |
| 08:30.55 | grimeton | zophy: but remember that booting the win8 partition inside the virtualization environment makes windows think it is booting on a different hardware |
| 08:31.48 | zophy | yep, i don't have enough drugs to last me through getting this done |
| 08:32.03 | zophy | i'll just surf some mnudie webcams |
| 08:32.06 | auxy | hey grimeton -- radeonfb is listed in fbdev-blacklist.conf |
| 08:32.10 | grimeton | tmi |
| 08:32.11 | auxy | could that be the problem with radeonfb? |
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| 08:32.18 | grimeton | auxy: possible |
| 08:32.35 | ViennaL | I am stuck at "Unpacking linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae (from .../linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae_3.2.51-1_i386.deb)" |
| 08:32.51 | grimeton | ViennaL: define stuck |
| 08:32.59 | ViennaL | okay sorry ignore that … after 6 minutes it now finally goes on |
| 08:33.45 | JonB | ViennaL: one of my servers run wheezy on 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 from squeeze |
| 08:34.00 | auxy | huh, it won't let me write out a uvesafb.conf |
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| 08:34.30 | zophy | i wonder how many people in the past like Mozart or Edgar Poe had computers and talked to us in the future on IRC |
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| 08:34.47 | auxy | zophy -- ##defocus would love to have you |
| 08:35.52 | zophy | auxy, is ##defocus debian orientated ? |
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| 08:36.51 | auxy | no, but neither is your chat |
| 08:38.56 | auxy | hehe, this is so nice! thanks so much grimeton |
| 08:39.04 | CygniX | grimeton: thanks, I got it |
| 08:39.05 | grimeton | auxy: you're welcome |
| 08:39.13 | grimeton | CygniX: you're welcome |
| 08:39.18 | CygniX | it was in /etc/defaut... |
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| 08:40.45 | CygniX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.10 | grimeton | CygniX: no, FAIL usually points out a problem |
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| 08:41.39 | CygniX | grimeton: the next line was "[ ok ] Applying iptables firewall rules:." |
| 08:41.56 | CygniX | and trying to connect worked. it didnt work previously |
| 08:42.11 | grimeton | CygniX: what do you want me to say now? |
| 08:42.36 | CygniX | I was just curious about the failed to load module |
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| 08:43.23 | grimeton | CygniX: there is an error, i'd check the logs |
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| 08:49.04 | tp43_ | How do I get my hostname to persist? |
| 08:49.12 | grimeton | tp43_: echo myhostname > /etc/hostname |
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| 08:49.54 | tp43_ | grimeton, thx, that's what I tried, its a vps |
| 08:50.10 | grimeton | /etc/hostname is only read at boottime |
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| 08:50.48 | grimeton | if you want to change it during runtime, what i cannot recommend, you can write it to /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
| 08:50.52 | tp43_ | If I change the hostname, and then I logout of my ssh session and come back it reverts |
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| 08:51.03 | grimeton | tp43_: yeah you have to REBOOT to make it permanent |
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| 08:51.14 | tp43_ | grimeton, I tried that too, same thing |
| 08:51.29 | tp43_ | And I set it in the control panel, and it stays there |
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| 08:51.38 | grimeton | in the what? |
| 08:51.48 | tp43_ | like my hosting control panel |
| 08:51.55 | tp43_ | Maybe if I enter reboot command manually |
| 08:52.05 | grimeton | whatever that is, the only thing responsible for the linux system hostname is /etc/hostname |
| 08:52.56 | tp43_ | oh man, I can't get it to persist |
| 08:53.01 | themill | well... dhcp clients can be configured to run hostname |
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| 08:54.36 | tp43_ | hostname is there when you login in right, like user@hostname:~/home/user$ right? |
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| 08:55.03 | grimeton | if there is a dhcp client that rewrites it everytime ... |
| 08:55.10 | themill | tp43_: the output of "hostname" is probably a better test |
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| 09:01.13 | boudiccas | how can i stop my mouse being hyper-sensitivity and mousing over text highlights it, mousing over a file picks it up! I've rebooted, swapped from fluxbox to xfce, but its still happening |
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| 09:02.55 | grimeton | boudiccas: i wonder if there is even an option to tweak that - is it some special kind of mouse? |
| 09:02.58 | tp43_ | boudiccas, did you try another mouse? |
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| 09:03.06 | boudiccas | and my mail programme [claws-mail] had lost a lot of emails so i've had to restore frombackup |
| 09:03.25 | boudiccas | grimeton; nope, usb only |
| 09:03.38 | grimeton | boudiccas: try a different mouse - this is weird |
| 09:03.42 | boudiccas | tp43_; no, only got one mouse |
| 09:04.07 | tp43_ | got another computer? try the mouse on another computer. What I mean to say is, perhap the mouse is broken you know |
| 09:04.25 | boudiccas | tp43_; no, one mouse and one computer only |
| 09:04.37 | grimeton | boudiccas: pull it, wait and plug it back in |
| 09:04.50 | boudiccas | grimeton; i reckon thats the only thing |
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| 09:05.22 | grimeton | maybe the bios handover didn't work |
| 09:05.51 | tp43_ | I had a middle mouse button problem before and after a long while I realized that it wasn't software issue, the mouse was just broken. Thats why I mentioned it |
| 09:06.03 | grimeton | tp43_: yeah, shit happens |
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| 09:07.27 | tp43_ | so now I use two mouses, one is wireless, but everytime I need to paste, I reach for my second mouse and click the middle button with my other hand. lol, or I had to move my desktop closer to me so I can just use the wired mouse |
| 09:07.53 | grimeton | tp43_: you know that there is third button emulation by pressing button 1 and 2 at the same time? |
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| 09:09.04 | tp43_ | grimeton, how do I turn that on, its not on by default anymore, or maybe that feature is enabled if you mouse doesn't have a middle scroll button, but mine does, its just broken |
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| 09:09.58 | Triple15_ | hallo wie kann debain auf ps3 installieren<Triple15_> how can i install debain on ps3 |
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| 09:10.12 | grimeton | tp43_: Option "Emulate3Buttons" "On" in x config |
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| 09:10.30 | grimeton | Triple15_: if your ps3 is up2date not anymore, sony locked the linux option |
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| 09:10.35 | tp43_ | grimeton, I think that stuff is all auto now adays |
| 09:10.43 | grimeton | tp43_: there are ways to enable it |
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| 09:11.12 | tp43_ | clicking both buttons isnt great though, I don't like it |
| 09:11.23 | grimeton | tp43_: there is also another hotkey combo, i can't remember it |
| 09:11.24 | tp43_ | cause often you end up just right or left clicking |
| 09:11.45 | tp43_ | grimeton, oh please remember if you can, that would be golden |
| 09:12.10 | icebreak | Hello. I have installed nautilus-actions and created a custom action. It is not showing up in nautilus context menu. Can anyone help? (Jessie, nautilus 3.4.2, nautilus-actions 3.2.2) |
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| 09:12.29 | grimeton | tp43_: try ctrl+insert |
| 09:13.06 | grimeton | or shift insert or something |
| 09:13.08 | grimeton | something like that |
| 09:13.11 | tp43_ | nope, brb |
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| 09:13.25 | tp43_ | I detached my window |
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| 09:14.00 | tp43_ | grimeton, shift + insert |
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| 09:14.28 | grimeton | that one works? |
| 09:14.45 | tp43_ | or ctrl+v |
| 09:14.54 | grimeton | ctrl+v doesn't work in all X environments |
| 09:15.02 | grimeton | but shift+insert works in awesome or fluxbox too |
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| 09:16.38 | digdilem | middle button? |
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| 09:16.55 | grimeton | but i also remember a key/mouse button combination |
| 09:17.15 | tp43_ | that would be nice |
| 09:17.30 | grimeton | yeah but i can't say which one |
| 09:19.06 | tp43_ | well, I'm gonna hit the sack. thx guys, thx grimeton, g'night |
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| 09:19.13 | grimeton | n8 |
| 09:19.40 | ukmue | Hello, I am unable to start nginx for some reason. When I type /etc/init.d/nginx start or service nginx start I get nothing returned. Is there any other way? |
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| 09:20.16 | grimeton | ukmue: service --status-all | grep nginx |
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| 09:20.44 | ukmue | grimeton: I get back a list containing alsa-utils amongst others |
| 09:20.45 | ukmue | no nginx |
| 09:20.51 | ukmue | aah yes |
| 09:20.53 | ukmue | one nginx |
| 09:21.01 | ukmue | with a "-" next to it |
| 09:21.13 | grimeton | that means it's stopped |
| 09:21.16 | grimeton | check the logs |
| 09:21.20 | grimeton | there is some error i assume |
| 09:21.27 | ukmue | which logs are service related on debian? |
| 09:21.38 | grimeton | ukmue: i'd check /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages and the nginx logs |
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| 09:22.29 | ukmue | nothing occured in syslog |
| 09:22.53 | ukmue | nothing in messages either, nginx only have access logs from what I can see |
| 09:23.09 | grimeton | ukmue: but it's not running, is it? ps auxw | grep -i nginx |
| 09:23.19 | ukmue | aah I see |
| 09:23.24 | ukmue | I see the error now |
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| 09:24.11 | ukmue | wierd it didnt return any errors because of a failed conf |
| 09:24.33 | babilen | ukmue: Also check /var/log/daemon.log (or just grep for nginx in /var/log) |
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| 09:27.05 | ukmue | babilen: /var/log/nginx/error.log displayed it |
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| 09:27.19 | icebreak | I have installed nautilus-actions and created a custom action. It is not showing up in nautilus context menu. Can anyone help? (Jessie, nautilus 3.4.2, nautilus-actions 3.2.2) |
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| 09:27.39 | babilen | ukmue: I thought you didn't find anything in the nginx logs, but fair enough :) |
| 09:27.58 | babilen | ah, you only found the access.log, nvm |
| 09:28.20 | ukmue | I found a lot of logs |
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| 09:33.45 | chrisoprase | Hi |
| 09:34.03 | chrisoprase | Is there someone available to help with a debian hang up» |
| 09:34.45 | mumpitzel | chrisoprase: just ask your actual question, don't ask if you can ask or get help |
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| 09:35.58 | chrisoprase | Ok, debian hung up for 2h, keyboard unresponsive, previously gdm3 was using 30-50% of cpu |
| 09:36.25 | chrisoprase | This happened once before a few weeks ago |
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| 09:37.17 | chrisoprase | And before that when I had windows it also happened +/- once a week |
| 09:37.27 | chrisoprase | How can I debug this? |
| 09:37.58 | mumpitzel | this sounds like a hardware problem then. check your harddisk and memory for defects |
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| 09:38.44 | chrisoprase | Maybe memory then, I tested my disk recently |
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| 09:40.12 | bezaban | chrisoprase: after that [Cthe next step would be to remove any expansion cards etc. that aren't strictly needed for operation |
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| 09:40.38 | bezaban | assuming the memory test shows up blank |
| 09:41.04 | bezaban | could check if the machine works with remote access (ssh) while hanging |
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| 09:41.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell chrisoprase -about memtest |
| 09:42.03 | chrisoprase | thanks |
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| 09:43.08 | chrisoprase | unrelated, but when I try to start gdm3 from the tty (sudo service gdm3 start) it says it's not my default display manager |
| 09:44.48 | chrisoprase | Is it wrong to start gnome this way? |
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| 09:46.39 | mumpitzel | not wrong, but you can start it with other DMs too |
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| 09:48.52 | outlaw84 | Hello, I would like to record all runing processes and how much memory they are using and write that to a file.... basically I wanna get the output from top/htop but be able to write it to a file |
| 09:49.06 | peterrooney_ | gnome means well, but does not play gently with other display managers. If I recall correctly, there used to be a gdm environment variable, "IGNORE_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER" that needed tweaking. If I'm right, maybe it's still there in gnome3 |
| 09:49.37 | chrisoprase | I only have gnome installed |
| 09:50.54 | peterrooney_ | chrisoprase: I'm talking about display managers, not desktop environments. typical culprits are kdm, xdm, and wdm packages. |
| 09:51.10 | mumpitzel | outlaw84: ps aux > file.log |
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| 09:53.32 | outlaw84 | mumpitzel: thanks |
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| 09:57.54 | boudiccas | grimeton; i nudged the power cable which switched the machine off! So i left it for 1/4 hour and then rebooted, still seeing if the problem is solved |
| 09:58.12 | boudiccas | nope, still got a hypersensitive mouse |
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| 10:00.58 | epitamizor | hey I saw a debian server running in a microcenter |
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| 10:01.28 | epitamizor | strange huh |
| 10:01.57 | chrisoprase | peterrooney_: just checked my /etc/X11/default-display-manager and it's empty |
| 10:02.05 | epitamizor | it was running 3.2 kernel |
| 10:02.44 | chrisoprase | I had changed some settings there and even saved a default-display-manager.bak, but both are empty now |
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| 10:03.14 | outlaw84 | Is there any connection between "virtual memory" that can be seen in ie top/htop/ps and usage of swapfile? I am looking a strange problem on a virtual server. The enviroment doesn't allow useage of swapfile. When I run my Java application the main memory usage goes from ~3000Mb to ~5500Mb, the residental part of the application is showing about 200Mb while the virtual is showing 1,2Gb. Is the lack of swapfile causing this problem? |
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| 10:05.38 | chrisoprase | nevermind, i think i know how to solve this (add /usr/sbin/gdm3 to the file) |
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| 10:06.55 | chrisoprase | Yep, working now, thanks |
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| 10:08.57 | grimeton | boudiccas: i only talked about the mouse, not the whole system |
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| 10:11.37 | boudiccas | grimeton; its affecting the whole system, unfortunately |
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| 10:15.02 | epitamizor | whats a good debian distro without all the simlinks and compatibility stuff |
| 10:15.11 | boudiccas | what is 'gdomap' please? its running and i dont recognise it |
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| 10:20.37 | petern_ | A good Debian distro? There's only one Debian... |
| 10:20.55 | daemonkeeper | Not true |
| 10:21.27 | daemonkeeper | petern_: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends |
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| 10:25.52 | cheasee | hi |
| 10:25.59 | smash___ | hi |
| 10:26.15 | cheasee | since upgrading to jessie i noticed there is no ia32-libs anymore. just a virtual package |
| 10:26.36 | cheasee | now thats bad, because pkg google-earth-stable relies on it |
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| 10:27.34 | cheasee | ive read about using multiarch, so i added i386 to apt-sources.list .. but then i get many unresolveable dependencies of many different libs .. coliding amd64 with i286 |
| 10:27.38 | cheasee | i386* |
| 10:28.09 | cheasee | now i dont know what to do further to get google-earth running? |
| 10:28.12 | grimeton | cheasee: remove the i386 stuff from the sources list and add the arch via dpkg |
| 10:28.46 | themill | cheasee: can you put real output from commands in a pastebin? ia32-libs is still in jessie. |
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| 10:30.25 | cheasee | grimeton: ok, i added i386 with dpkg, but ill try again.. |
| 10:30.33 | cheasee | themill: will do, hang on.. |
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| 10:35.39 | cheasee | grimeton, themill: http://pastebin.com/tsX5BB4Z |
| 10:36.52 | grimeton | cheasee: great, now tell me from which repo comes which error |
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| 10:37.33 | cheasee | grimeton: that was somehow the question that i asked ;) |
| 10:38.05 | cheasee | i seem to miss some point here |
| 10:38.11 | grimeton | cheasee: i'd start with disabling ALL repos that are not debian |
| 10:38.21 | grimeton | and then i'd try to fix the dependencies |
| 10:38.21 | cheasee | ok |
| 10:38.28 | grimeton | and then i'll start adding other repos |
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| 10:41.23 | cheasee | grimeton: http://pastebin.com/vK1apUhS |
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| 10:42.10 | grimeton | cheasee: run an apt-get update && apt-get -f install |
| 10:42.42 | cheasee | ah.. -f again .. forgot that.. ok lets see |
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| 10:44.04 | cheasee | nope, seems to be alright |
| 10:44.13 | grimeton | no problems? |
| 10:44.16 | cheasee | nope |
| 10:44.22 | grimeton | then google earth pulls in the dependency issues |
| 10:44.29 | cheasee | pff |
| 10:44.45 | cheasee | where may i flame google? :D |
| 10:44.54 | grimeton | dunno |
| 10:45.10 | cheasee | supprt@google.com xD |
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| 10:49.50 | cheasee | ah, there is a pkg called "googleearth-package" to build debian pkgs .. now trying vchrizz@mochile:~$ make-googleearth-package |
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| 10:50.14 | cheasee | http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/googleearth-package |
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| 11:03.49 | cheasee | nah, that didnt work out either: http://pastebin.com/R4dLkZJL |
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| 11:08.09 | vytas | in debian jessie, I can't locate depmod.d/*.conf, which used to be under /etc I believe. Was this substituted? |
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| 11:11.09 | grimeton | cheasee: suprise ... |
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| 11:16.35 | aquarius | upgrading to Debian 7.2, dpkg is giving me many, many errors from insserv: "insserv: Starting stop-bootlogd depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!" and similar. |
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| 11:17.29 | aquarius | Looking for answers, some people have solved this by uninstalling a proprietary Cisco VPN client -- I don't have that -- and some with "insserv portmap", which doesn't work (no such file "portmap"). I'm not sure how to proceed. |
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| 11:22.10 | grimeton | vytas: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 11:33.44 | devilnorm | !list |
| 11:33.44 | dpkg | devilnorm: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:41.48 | Pies | is there way to get .deb from system? I have custom compiled package installed, but I'm not happy with this one and would try to check one from repo. Unfortunately I have to be able to go back to old package and don't have .deb file (/var/cache/apt/archives/ don't have this one) |
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| 11:44.50 | jelly | Pies: dpkg-repack |
| 11:46.09 | Pies | jelly: thanks, checking |
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| 11:54.30 | jennifer36 | i did a bad thing. trying to emulate a production or a serious box service. mdadm raid5 on 3tb drives, running ok. took a pen drive and made a bunch of partitions to experiment with growing the array/expanding fs, etc etc. pen drive puked, mdadm isn't happy, i can't stop the pen array, pegged cpu @100%. the 3tb array is ok. should i kill the pid for md1_raid5 process? |
| 11:56.11 | jennifer36 | hm, i just tried killing the process, won't stop. |
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| 12:00.14 | jelly | jennifer36: you can't kill that kernel thread. What you probably can do is stop the affected mdadm array. |
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| 12:04.59 | jelly | jennifer36: there's the #linux-raid channel for md |
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| 12:20.19 | Pies | jelly: seems to be correct tool, but I'm unable to use it. Anyway thanks for trace |
| 12:21.07 | Iridos | is there any good link on how gnome-shell automount is supposed to work? |
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| 12:23.08 | babilen | Iridos: Magic has not yet been understood. Try a Gnome/nautilus channel on irc.gnome.org though |
| 12:23.16 | Iridos | the behavior I would like (and seem to remember having at some point or other) is: I plug in, and get an automount at /media/device_label with whatever label is set for that device... and if it's vfat, files are owned by my user |
| 12:23.48 | babilen | Iridos: That should be the standard behaviour. |
| 12:23.52 | Iridos | babilen, I fear I'll have to sacrifice a chicken |
| 12:24.05 | Iridos | babilen, if not human sacrifice is needed for added potency |
| 12:24.13 | babilen | Iridos: Well, it's mounted to /media/$USER/$LABEL in newer versions |
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| 12:24.25 | Iridos | I could live with that |
| 12:24.44 | Iridos | currently, it pops up a message *after* I mounted it with pmount, asking what to do |
| 12:24.53 | babilen | So, why don't you? Open nautilus, click the device and you should see it being done that way. |
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| 12:25.18 | babilen | Iridos: pmount is unrelated to this and not used by gnome (or rather nautilus) |
| 12:25.42 | Iridos | yes, I know... I'm just saying it seems to notice that there's a new device only after the mount |
| 12:26.07 | babilen | "it" ? |
| 12:26.13 | Iridos | well, a) clicking on something isn't "auto" mount, b) I don't really use any nautilus windows and c) nautilus shows me usb0, usb1 and not disk-labels and mounts with those, too |
| 12:26.17 | babilen | What's the actual problem you are trying to fix? |
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| 12:26.56 | babilen | Yes, I agree that using nautilus and clicking on it is not automounting, but that is how it works, isn't it? |
| 12:26.56 | Iridos | babilen, indeed, "it". something in gnome that gives those black messages that extend from the bottom status bar |
| 12:27.10 | Iridos | then it's still usb0 and not label |
| 12:27.26 | jelly | notifications? |
| 12:27.29 | Iridos | and I don't know how it works... I remember something in the gnome DE automounting at some time |
| 12:27.33 | Iridos | jelly, yes! |
| 12:27.42 | babilen | Iridos: So you wonder why you get notifications about the mount status when you use pmount to mount them rather than nautilus in Gnome? |
| 12:28.07 | Iridos | no, I wonder how to make it automount when I plug the device in |
| 12:28.20 | Iridos | and with the label and not some random usbX name |
| 12:28.20 | babilen | Iridos: mounting of removable media is being handled by nautilus for a while now. |
| 12:30.02 | Iridos | well, that's why I first looked in nautilus preferences... but there's nothing useful I can see there |
| 12:30.06 | babilen | Okay, that is a different question. I am not quite sure if any of the tools does it, but you might want to look into usbmount. But then I am not sure if it *automounts*. You can probably run/implement something based on udev rules that kicks of a suitable script ... |
| 12:30.40 | Iridos | it automounts... but as it's a system-daemon, files on vfat aren't owned by you |
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| 12:31.14 | Iridos | and as far as I remember it doesn't mount by label, but also uses anonymous usb0 directories |
| 12:31.37 | babilen | Iridos: "it" is usbmount in this case? I just checked and it claims to use /media/usb[0-7] |
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| 12:31.59 | Iridos | yes usbmount automounts... but... etc. |
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| 12:32.19 | jelly | Iridos: if there are multiple users logged in at the console with an X session, which one should the automounter thingy use for uid=,gid= mount options? |
| 12:32.23 | Iridos | where does that happen? --> <babilen> Iridos: Well, it's mounted to /media/$USER/$LABEL in newer versions |
| 12:32.24 | jelly | hides |
| 12:33.00 | babilen | Iridos: I am not sure if a tool/script that does exactly what you want it to do exists. And I also don't quite understand how it could be implemented in a general way. What's the problem with having your users use nautilus? (or the method or *their* desktop environment) ? |
| 12:33.29 | babilen | Iridos: nautilus uses /media/$USER/$LABEL in newer versions, yes |
| 12:33.36 | Iridos | ah, ok |
| 12:33.37 | themill | doesn't gnome-shell do this automagically? «gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount true» |
| 12:33.44 | babilen | yay |
| 12:33.45 | Iridos | well, the wheezy one uses /media/usb[0-9] |
| 12:34.12 | themill | *shrug* kde sets it up as /media/$label here |
| 12:34.14 | Iridos | well, the wheezy nautilus* uses /media/usb[0-9] |
| 12:34.17 | Iridos | I shouldn't use replacements :P |
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| 12:35.02 | babilen | Iridos: Does it? Is a label set on those filesystems? Is the method themill digged up doing what you expect it to do? |
| 12:35.13 | jch2os | I'm trying to get multiple bonds working in my debian 7 box. I need one mode 0 and two mode 1, what should my bonding.conf look like in /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 12:35.17 | jch2os | I mean modprobe.d |
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| 12:35.40 | Iridos | themill, does that need a gnome-shell restart? |
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| 12:36.01 | themill | htfsik? |
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| 12:36.25 | jelly | tias |
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| 12:37.41 | Iridos | themill, I also think it should... but... gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount --> true and it's not mounting |
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| 12:38.17 | babilen | Iridos: Are you running Gnome? What kind of filesystem do you want to mount? Could you try to restart? |
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| 12:39.00 | Iridos | babilen, restart what? |
| 12:39.06 | babilen | guess |
| 12:39.12 | themill | life |
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| 12:39.16 | babilen | heh |
| 12:39.24 | Iridos | babilen, cuttin me own throat?! |
| 12:39.56 | babilen | "13:35:39 <Iridos> themill, does that need a gnome-shell restart?" |
| 12:40.00 | Iridos | get born again... go through childhood, puberty, discover linux, install ubuntu, then ask the same in #ubuntu? |
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| 12:40.20 | Iridos | babilen, I did that already (albeit not the whole X session, only gnome-shell --replace) |
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| 12:40.28 | babilen | oh, did you? |
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| 12:40.58 | Iridos | yass |
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| 12:42.00 | Iridos | babilen, I nearly suspect restarting the whole X session *might* fix it... but a) I'm kind of loath to do that b) I wouldn't call that a solution? |
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| 12:43.08 | babilen | Iridos: So, to summarise: You are inserting a USB stick with a $UNKNOWN_FILESYSTEM on $UNKOWN_PARTITION while running gnome. When you then open nautilus (or check in a terminal (xor?)) the filesystem is not mounted automatically to /media/$SOMETHING, but it will only be mounted if you click on it in nautilus? |
| 12:43.19 | Iridos | babilen, vfat at the moment |
| 12:43.55 | Iridos | babilen, yes |
| 12:44.07 | Iridos | babilen, and "Devices" in nautilus offers usb0 usb1 |
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| 12:45.06 | Iridos | babilen, what happens when you plug in a device that pretends to be a disk? |
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| 12:54.19 | babilen | Iridos: sorry, the building decided that it doesn't like the internet anymore |
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| 13:03.11 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 13:05.51 | Iridos | babilen, no worries... it may take years, but at some time I'll work it out |
| 13:05.51 | jch2os | Hi rug |
| 13:06.09 | Iridos | babilen, so... are you saying that in jessie, automounting pretty much works as expected by me? |
| 13:06.16 | jch2os | anyone know how I can have bond0 with mode=0 and bond1 with mode=1? |
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| 13:07.24 | staropram | bond007 mode=kill |
| 13:07.29 | Iridos | jch2os, it would be helpful if there was some clue, what you're talking about, I guess... |
| 13:08.07 | Iridos | although one can probably guess from bond0 ... with the result that staropram gets :D |
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| 13:08.34 | babilen | Iridos: I am not using it at all, simply trying to understand what is happening to you, what you trying to achieve and what you've tried. |
| 13:08.49 | Iridos | babilen, so how do you handle plugging in drives? |
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| 13:09.34 | cheri | hi I have problem mounting an nfs share created on wheezy on a lenny system. Says protocol not supported. Any idea on this |
| 13:09.37 | babilen | I typically use nautilus (but I am not using Gnome, so hardly comparable) |
| 13:10.10 | Iridos | but that one automounts to /media/$USER/$LABEL? |
| 13:10.12 | jch2os | trying to setup two networking bonds in my debian box. problem is I need one to be mode=0 and the other to be mode=1, I need to mess with the /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf file to get it to work, just can't seem to find the right combo |
| 13:10.57 | babilen | Iridos: No, it doesn't but then I am not testing it in a proper gnome-shell. |
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| 13:13.03 | Iridos | jch2os, I've never done that... but looking at the debian wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding ... can't you just define two different aliases with a different options line? |
| 13:13.15 | Iridos | ah, probably not... it's loading the same kernel module |
| 13:13.21 | Iridos | smacks his head.... |
| 13:13.23 | Iridos | I wasn't thinking |
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| 13:13.52 | Rug | I have a gigabit business link that I need help stress testing. I have setup an iperf server running at 50.115.176.66 If anybody (or all) would like to ttest and tell me what speeds you get that would be awesome. |
| 13:14.19 | staropram | Rug: how do we know you're not just ddos-ing it? |
| 13:14.26 | Iridos | jch2os, but you might be able to change mode in by writing into /sys/class/net/bond1/bonding/mode ?? |
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| 13:14.49 | Rug | check my IP, I should be comming into IRC from the same ip |
| 13:15.24 | Rug | staropram: but you are right, and I can't think of how to prove it. |
| 13:15.26 | Iridos | babilen, but it offers you disk labels to click on at least? |
| 13:15.41 | babilen | Iridos: sure |
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| 13:16.14 | Rug | staropram: the best connect I have been able to get is 212Mbit/s and I need more evidence to get my ISP to look into it. |
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| 13:17.43 | staropram | Rug: IRC whois lists 50.115.176.99 whereas above you list 50.115.176.66 |
| 13:18.15 | Rug | staropram: ahh, figures. we have a /29 subnet so .66->.126 |
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| 13:18.42 | kernelpanik | hi to all! are many years that I use vi.. but I have a curiosity.. why do not use nano? could be a problem editing configuration files |
| 13:18.55 | staropram | Rug: you could fire up some EC2 instances for an hour? |
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| 13:19.34 | Rug | staropram: thanks, I'll look into that. (I thought AWS cost $$) |
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| 13:20.06 | littlebit | hello people, when you are in a hotel or in an airport, there is always a wifi hotspot that offers you to gain access to the internet, but only when you pay a fee, you will be given a username and password in order to gain access to the internet. Is there a similar solution in debian? |
| 13:20.32 | Iridos | I would say that's a problem, not a solution :D |
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| 13:21.53 | staropram | Rug: yeah it costs money, a cheaper way might be on linode or something, you can add extra instances and get charged per 24/h |
| 13:21.56 | littlebit | Iridos: well ok, but u know what I mean? |
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| 13:22.10 | staropram | Rug: but then it's only like $1 per instance |
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| 13:22.47 | Rug | staropram: thanks, I'll look into it. |
| 13:22.49 | staropram | littlebit: it's called a captive portal |
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| 13:23.17 | staropram | littlebit: there is a tutorial how to build one for openbsd here: http://bsdmag.org/magazine/1784-freebsd-get-up-to-date |
| 13:23.26 | staropram | littlebit: probably very similar in debian |
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| 13:27.24 | littlebit | staropram: interesting, thank you |
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| 13:31.32 | cheri | hi I have problem mounting an nfs share created on wheezy on a lenny system. Says protocol not supported. Any help is appreciated |
| 13:31.33 | jch2os | this is my bonding.conf file, http://pastebin.com/azyuy1bB |
| 13:31.39 | jch2os | but it only makes 1 bond |
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| 13:36.36 | Akuw | hi guys |
| 13:36.56 | Akuw | i want to start a internet radio, what is there to do it |
| 13:37.14 | zinx | icecast probably :/ |
| 13:37.27 | quup | Akuw: soundcloud and mixcloud seems like the easiest and most accessible way to do it |
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| 13:40.23 | Akuw | quuq: thanks |
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| 13:46.43 | Iridos | little-tommy, dd-wrt seems to use chillispot at http://www.chillispot.org/download/chillispot-1.1.0.tar.gz It's not in debian, though and I don't think there's anything pre-made in it either |
| 13:47.20 | Akuw | but that are not in real time |
| 13:47.24 | Akuw | no interactive? |
| 13:47.39 | Akuw | what about server |
| 13:50.54 | Iridos | Akuw, vlc can do streaming, I suppose it's quite limited, though. and as zinx already told you... icecast2 is probably the one you want to look at. |
| 13:51.17 | Iridos | Akuw, also zeyda, I guess |
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| 13:51.52 | flypp | mixxx + jack2 + jackeq + icecast |
| 13:53.01 | Sketcher | Hi folks, I am a noob. I need to install flashplugin-nonfree on my system (raspberry pi), but aptitude can't find it. Can someone help? |
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| 13:53.46 | themill | Sketcher: adobe doesn't provide flash for arm |
| 13:54.35 | Sketcher | so I am doomed? |
| 13:55.04 | Sketcher | but there is flash for debian. why not for raspberry |
| 13:55.05 | Sketcher | ? |
| 13:55.31 | Iridos | I think he already answered that... |
| 13:55.34 | ctmjr | ask adobe |
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| 13:55.41 | themill | there is not flash for debian, there is flashpl4ugin-nonfree for i386 and amd6 |
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| 13:57.41 | uplate_ | Sketcher: and if on your pi, you 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' you will see it is neither i386 or amd :) |
| 13:59.20 | Sketcher | I see that now |
| 14:00.17 | Sketcher | I was trying to make a kiosk using the pi that runs on a TV, but there is a flash piece on that kiosk that need 10.2 or higher player |
| 14:00.34 | Sketcher | i tried gnash but it doesn't render it correctly |
| 14:00.42 | Sketcher | is there no other way? |
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| 14:03.40 | uplate | lightspark? |
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| 14:07.54 | m4k | Help me... Network manager applet disappeared from gnom panel |
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| 14:12.58 | babilen | m4k: On squeeze? |
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| 14:13.20 | m4k | No wheezy |
| 14:13.32 | Sketcher | uplate, installing lightspark right now |
| 14:14.10 | Sketcher | do I need to install browser-plugin-lightspark after? will that automatically install it on chromium? (I am very beginner, sorry) |
| 14:14.34 | uplate | Sketcher: Good luck, never used it, haven't had anything to do with it, but I hope it works :) Not sure sorry. Also suspect that performance will be pretty avg! |
| 14:14.38 | babilen | m4k: When did it disappear? Does it reappear if you relogin? Could you show me the output of "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 14:15.39 | Sketcher | Uplate: performance not a big issue. It's a very small piece, and the page updates every 15 minutes.... If I was to do this with better hardware what would you recommend? |
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| 14:16.44 | m4k | babilen, I removed the flash plugin non free it starts to remove gdm, empathy,... Now cant access net im from mobile |
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| 14:19.05 | babilen | m4k: That sounds as if you removed parts of gnome which really shouldn't happen if you remove the flash plugin. Could you paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:19.28 | babilen | And I would still like to see the "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" output |
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| 14:20.47 | babilen | m4k: If you *do not* have network-manager-gnome installed (for whatever reason) you can reinstall it with "apt-get install network-manager-gnome". In that case it would be interesting to see the history.log to figure our why/how you removed that package in the first place. |
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| 14:23.29 | m4k | babilen, sorry i cant paste that file becuase im chating frm my phone |
| 14:23.52 | Akuw | i just configured icecast2 |
| 14:23.53 | m4k | I can't access internet in computer |
| 14:24.06 | Akuw | is good |
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| 14:25.04 | Akuw | any embeded player to play the stream? |
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| 14:25.39 | maxyz | m4k: Ok, you could probably start your network connection from the command line easily (as long as it was a wired connection). |
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| 14:26.13 | Akuw | and what about to create ogg file while record audio, so is in realtime |
| 14:26.26 | jhutchins | Is there a way to force-close a screen window that's not responding? |
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| 14:26.40 | m4k | maxyz, yeah it is android tethering via usb |
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| 14:27.11 | maxyz | Mmh, you don't have any other network access? |
| 14:27.22 | farhaven | jhutchins: ^A Shift-C, or ^A Shift-X |
| 14:27.26 | farhaven | iirc it was one of those |
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| 14:27.37 | m4k | maxyz, or wifi |
| 14:28.18 | jhutchins | farhaven: C cleared it, so now it's just black with no text or cursor, X didn't do anything after that. |
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| 14:28.50 | farhaven | jhutchins: arg, it was ^A Shift-K |
| 14:29.03 | farhaven | i always get that confused with tmux :/ |
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| 14:29.41 | m4k | maxyz, i have wifi |
| 14:29.59 | m4k | No other wired |
| 14:31.28 | maxyz | m4k: If you have a wpa network you'll need a wpa-supplicant, check this: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 14:32.32 | jhutchins | farhaven: Yay! Thanks, that worked. |
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| 14:33.10 | m4k | babilen, maxyz, I have debian wheezy .iso file any way to install nm from that? |
| 14:33.26 | babilen | m4k: So, is network-manager-gnome still installed on your computer? |
| 14:33.50 | maxyz | m4k: To use the tethering you need to load the usbnet module, check the name of the iface (ifconfig -a or ip l) and issue a dhclient name_of_the_iface |
| 14:34.09 | dont-panic | whats the default file manager for netinstall? or does it not install one if you deselect pretty much everything? |
| 14:34.22 | m4k | babilen, i already have iso file |
| 14:34.47 | babilen | m4k: Huh? I thought you can still access your Debian system? |
| 14:34.49 | maxyz | dont-panic: cp, mv, rm and cd. :) |
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| 14:35.26 | m4k | Yeah i access but no internet connection in it |
| 14:35.59 | babilen | m4k: So, what does "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" give you? Is that package still installed? |
| 14:35.59 | m4k | I can access |
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| 14:36.51 | m4k | Please wait i will write |
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| 14:38.46 | dont-panic | maxyz: lol, ok. anyone have any good recommendations for a super light weight file manager? |
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| 14:39.20 | quup | dont-panic: with gui? |
| 14:39.26 | m4k | Installed:(none) Candidate: 0.9.4.1-5 version table: 0.9.4.1-5 0 500 http://http.debian.net/debian...amd64 Packages |
| 14:39.31 | babilen | m4k: Is it not obvious to you if that package is installed or not? |
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| 14:39.46 | babilen | "Installed:(none)" means "not installed" |
| 14:39.51 | maxyz | dont-panic: mc for ncurses, xfe for X, dolphin for kde. :) |
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| 14:40.07 | babilen | m4k: Okay, so please run "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" -- I wonder why you removed it earlier. |
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| 14:40.55 | Xat` | hi guys |
| 14:41.01 | maxyz | babilen: m4k apparently has no network access in his desktop. |
| 14:41.13 | babilen | maxyz: yes, I am well aware of that. |
| 14:41.24 | m4k | I removed the flashplugin-nonfree but it removes gdm, empathy,... |
| 14:41.55 | babilen | m4k: We can check how that happened later, did you finish the install with "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" ? |
| 14:41.56 | Sketcher | Hi, is there a way to access a debian server through firewall? I have a machine that I want to SSH into through firewall |
| 14:42.11 | m4k | when im trying to install network manager it need internet |
| 14:42.38 | brilliant_ | mk4 what a horror |
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| 14:42.45 | brilliant_ | m4k |
| 14:43.00 | babilen | m4k: It shouldn't need internet unless you removed files from its package cache. This can be done manually or by running "apt-get autoclean" or "apt-get clean" -- did you do that? |
| 14:43.01 | m4k | Yeah |
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| 14:43.26 | m4k | No sir no |
| 14:43.58 | linux-fox | SKetcher: do your firewall block the 22 port? |
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| 14:44.47 | m4k | Can i install from iso file that already have |
| 14:45.02 | babilen | m4k: Does "ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/network-manager-gnome*" list anything? |
| 14:45.14 | maxyz | No, but you could boot the installer in rescue mode |
| 14:45.24 | babilen | m4k: Which iso image do you have? Is it CD1 or DVD1 ? |
| 14:45.32 | maxyz | babilen: netinst |
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| 14:46.23 | m4k | babilen cd1 |
| 14:46.26 | kam | Hey room, I'm failing to find the info on gpt and UEFI, does the newer version of debian support this? |
| 14:46.30 | babilen | well, that doesn't contain network-manager .. it's not too hard to configure the wireless connection manually, but lets see if m4k can install network-manager-gnome with the files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:46.48 | m4k | maxyz, dont play |
| 14:46.49 | babilen | m4k: Does "ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/network-manager-gnome*" list anything? |
| 14:47.12 | m4k | babilen No such file |
| 14:48.24 | maxyz | m4k: Oh, sorry, the netinst was, dont-pani. |
| 14:49.14 | babilen | m4k: Okay, pity. You say that you have CD1 and that you can tether wireless from your phone. That opens up two other options: You can either run "apt-cdrom add" to add the CD1 to your sources.list which should enable you to run "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" or we can configure your wireless manually. I'd try the apt-cdrom method first. |
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| 14:49.23 | m4k | babilen, no netinst it is full cd1 |
| 14:49.34 | kam | Also, partitioning is Swap and ext4 good enough for install |
| 14:49.36 | babilen | m4k: Yes :) |
| 14:50.14 | babilen | m4k: So, please run "apt-cdrom add" (as root or with sudo) and insert the CD |
| 14:50.44 | m4k | babilen, thanks I will do :-) |
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| 14:51.25 | babilen | yes, please do! I want to know if that is all you need (run "apt-get update" after that and then "apt-get install network-manager-gnome") |
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| 14:52.30 | dont-panic | maxyz: xfe? I'm running awesome wm and that's pretty much it for my x sesh |
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| 14:55.39 | m4k | babilen still it needs 222kB of archieves |
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| 14:56.48 | maxyz | dont-panic: I like it, some people prefer pcmanfm |
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| 14:57.57 | dont-panic | maxyz: yeah, this is primarily my netbook, but my gf is managing to kill my macbook one day at a time so I'm gonna *try* to make this one easier to use for her. I prefer cli apps myself, but she is in no way computer savvy lol |
| 14:58.06 | babilen | m4k: What does it need? |
| 14:58.07 | m4k | babilen, but i used no-install-recommends option now it solved |
| 14:58.32 | babilen | yay! |
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| 14:59.03 | m4k | babilen, Yeah thank you very much |
| 14:59.09 | babilen | m4k: Okay, please relogin and connect to your wireless and then show me your /var/log/apt/history.log /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.debian.net :) |
| 14:59.28 | babilen | m4k: just out of interest, what was it that couldn't be found? |
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| 15:00.03 | m4k | Yeah i will |
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| 15:03.31 | afsal | babilen this me m4k here http://paste.debian.net/60473/ |
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| 15:05.54 | afsal | what actual problem |
| 15:06.05 | afsal | babilen, what actual problem |
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| 15:07.38 | babilen | afsal: You ran "apt-get autoremove flashplugin-nonfree" which doesn't exist. There is the "apt-get autoremove" command but that doesn't take an argument. The reason why network-manger-gnome was marked for removal was because you removed gnome-backgrounds earlier which essentially removed quite a lot of gnome packages. |
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| 15:08.03 | kam | youch |
| 15:08.10 | babilen | afsal: I wonder why "apt-get autoremove PKG" does not throw an error as it should and furthermore why it even keeps on behaving like "apt-get remove PKG" |
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| 15:08.39 | kam | Could be worse, one time I removed my entire installation |
| 15:08.52 | kam | with autoremove -purge package heh |
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| 15:09.34 | m4k | babilen, is autoremove option is gone wrong here |
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| 15:10.26 | babilen | m4k: No, it is perfectly fine behaviour if you use autoremove and if you had removed those packages. I agree that "apt-get autoremove PKG" shouldn't remove PKG in the first place, but you seem to use it that way. |
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| 15:11.03 | babilen | afsal: So please pay close attention to *what you are doing* when you use apt-get. I guess you want to reinstall some gnome packages that you also remove (e.g. gnome-core) but you don't have to do that if you don't want to. Mind pasting your /etc/apt/sources.list now? |
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| 15:12.26 | m4k | Ok |
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| 15:12.36 | babilen | But then I actually like this autoremove behaviour and I will start using it for now. |
| 15:12.48 | babilen | It should be documented though :) |
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| 15:17.20 | BogdanR | Hi |
| 15:17.29 | BogdanR | I have many /dev/null.$$ files in /dev |
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| 15:17.41 | BogdanR | Any ideea what creates them there? |
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| 15:18.04 | BogdanR | http://pastie.org/pastes/8421450/text?key=hruwukk2k7wdkh1saqzmtq |
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| 15:23.49 | babilen | BogdanR: Just seems to be one btw (/dev/null.2537) |
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| 15:27.29 | jelly | looks like something renamed /dev/null at some point |
| 15:27.44 | jelly | and put a new instance thereof |
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| 15:28.51 | afsal | babilen , here source list http://paste.debian.net/60481/ |
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| 15:30.37 | afsal | oh babilen gone.... :-( |
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| 15:39.04 | Xat` | i have a problem with slapd package when I want to install another package |
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| 15:53.39 | tpo | has anybody an idea why there is no /dev/disk/by-uuid when inside initramfs? |
| 15:53.49 | oo_miguel | I have some packages that are marked as "i A" when I check there status with aptitude search. how can I find out why they are installed? |
| 15:54.23 | boudiccas | where is the network named? what file is it in? i called mine 'London' but it should be 'london' so i need to change it |
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| 15:55.31 | tpo | oo_miguel, is this useful? http://askubuntu.com/questions/5636/can-i-see-why-a-package-is-installed |
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| 15:55.51 | tpo | boudiccas, what network? |
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| 15:56.06 | boudiccas | this one on my computer |
| 15:56.17 | boudiccas | my system network |
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| 15:57.33 | boudiccas | what file holds the default system network name because i need to change it |
| 15:57.56 | tpo | oh, boudiccas, you mean the domain name? |
| 15:58.01 | boudiccas | yes |
| 15:58.04 | tpo | boudiccas, cd /etc |
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| 15:58.11 | tpo | grep -R London * |
| 15:58.16 | boudiccas | right, whatsd the filename? |
| 15:58.42 | tpo | boudiccas, on the command line do "grep -R London /etc/*" |
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| 15:59.44 | boudiccas | right, what i'm looking for is the hostname |
| 15:59.50 | oo_miguel | tpo: ah exaclty this, thank you |
| 16:00.03 | tpo | oo_miguel, :) |
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| 16:02.17 | boudiccas | thanks, tposorted |
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| 16:12.11 | boudiccas_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.22 | boudiccas_ | try again |
| 16:12.45 | Rug | df -h |
| 16:12.45 | boudiccas_ | how do you remove a non-empty directory, rmdir /foobar isn't doing it |
| 16:12.49 | Rug | ack sorry |
| 16:13.06 | LtL | boudiccas_: rm -r dir/ or rm -rf |
| 16:13.13 | boudiccas_ | cheers |
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| 16:14.37 | boudiccas_ | brilliant, thanks its done it |
| 16:14.49 | Spr1ng | I'm getting emails from one of my servers indicating that one the mount points /boot is at 93%. This location just contains GRUB and a few other initrd files. I have three questions. How does /boot grow in size given it's function? How can I determine which boot files I need to retain? And can I delete everything else that is not used? Contents of directory: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7103496 |
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| 16:15.17 | jackfinn | When launching Skype, I can go into settings and it says that I have a webcam, but when calling, it does not allow for video call. |
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| 16:16.33 | jelly | jackfinn: does the video test in the settings work? |
| 16:17.12 | tpo | to refine my previous question: why, when I type "blkid" from within the boot shell, I won't get any IDs? |
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| 16:17.28 | jhutchins | tpo: Are you specifying the device? |
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| 16:18.05 | tpo | jhutchins, you mean with blkid as in "blkid /dev/sda" or such? No? |
| 16:18.11 | tpo | No I don't |
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| 16:18.22 | tpo | the problem is there is no /dev/sd* |
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| 16:19.08 | tpo | I've also tried to set rootdelay=130, no difference there |
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| 16:21.45 | jhutchins | Anything suggestive in dmesg? |
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| 16:21.52 | Brigo | Spr1ng: you need all you have in /boot. You have grub and kernels! If you dont need a kernel uninstall it. |
| 16:22.27 | jhutchins | tpo: What is the system booting from? |
| 16:22.54 | tpo | jhutchins, from (hard) disk |
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| 16:23.21 | jhutchins | tpo: You're booting from a hard disk but don't show any disks in /dev/ ? |
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| 16:23.42 | jhutchins | tpo: Is it raid or encrypted or lvm or something odd? |
| 16:24.06 | tpo | jhutchins, it's nothing odd. It's a normal sata |
| 16:24.14 | tpo | I installed uswsusp |
| 16:24.28 | tpo | I tried s2disk, it suspended |
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| 16:24.57 | tpo | reboot failed with the system not finding root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
| 16:25.12 | tpo | I rebooted with a different kernel and that worked |
| 16:25.25 | jhutchins | tpo: Which kernel worked, which failed? |
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| 16:26.02 | jhutchins | tpo: Or was it just that the second reboot worked? |
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| 16:26.28 | jhutchins | tpo: blkid will return nothing if the filesystems haven't been assigned a UUID. |
| 16:26.31 | tpo | jhutchins, initrd.img-3.11.0-rc1 failed (was working before), selfcompiled with "make oldconf" and "make deb" (or something like that) |
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| 16:27.02 | tpo | jhutchins, vmlinuz-3.11-trunk-amd64 works |
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| 16:27.09 | effraie | hello, |
| 16:27.32 | tpo | jhutchins, blkid from the booted system works and returns the correct list |
| 16:28.01 | tpo | jhutchins, one entry is a "swap" and the other is a "ext4+ |
| 16:28.12 | jhutchins | tpo: Yeah, if the system doesn't see the disks it can't very well read the ID. Not sure how you're getting far enough to run blkid without seeing the disk though. |
| 16:28.15 | tpo | s/ext4+/ext4/ |
| 16:28.16 | effraie | got a problem with gnome/bluetooth/testing : while gnome-blutooth seem to correctly connect to my audio bluetooth device, ther no new audio device in gnome audio config interface, and no sound from my blutooth device |
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| 16:28.45 | effraie | any idea ? |
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| 16:29.25 | tpo | jhutchins, I can see that the system sees this "scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST1000LM024 HN-M 2AR1 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5" |
| 16:29.57 | tpo | however "sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5>" will not show up |
| 16:30.12 | tpo | so it get's stuck somewhere in between |
| 16:30.20 | effraie | syslog : http://paste.debian.net/60511/ |
| 16:30.37 | tpo | what modules are needed between the "scsi" line and the "sda" line? |
| 16:30.53 | tpo | maybe some kernel module doesn't get installed for some reason |
| 16:30.55 | tpo | ? |
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| 16:37.18 | zhr0 | wanna install my wireless card on a debian 7 amd64 i have a asus p5q3 deluxe wifi ap motherboard, whats correct firmware link to the wireless card? anyone could give me a help |
| 16:37.20 | Freeaqingme | Hi. I'm looking for the gpg key of ftp.debian.org, does anybody know its url? |
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| 16:38.38 | zhr0 | http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
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| 16:39.14 | babilen | zhr0: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 16:39.16 | Freeaqingme | zhr0, thank you |
| 16:39.18 | jelly | tpo: sd-mod |
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| 16:40.13 | zhr0 | babilen one second to see it on the pc |
| 16:40.51 | babilen | zhr0: Ah, I just need the last bit in [...] (should look like [abcd:1234]). No need to type all. |
| 16:43.25 | tpo | jelly, thanks, I'll check that |
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| 16:43.37 | zhr0 | babilen doesnt return anything that command |
| 16:44.01 | tpo | jelly are there any pre-conditions between seeing the device and sd-mod being able to do it's work? |
| 16:44.15 | babilen | zhr0: Okay, what about "lsusb" does that list your wireless card? Do you know the name of your wireless adaptor? |
| 16:44.22 | tpo | as in havin specific "swap" or "ext4" modules or something? |
| 16:44.31 | zhr0 | babilen my wireless card is pci |
| 16:45.17 | zhr0 | ab05:1742 on lsusb |
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| 16:45.19 | babilen | zhr0: Can you spot it in "lspci -nn" ? |
| 16:45.35 | zhr0 | babilen lsusb made it |
| 16:45.45 | babilen | zhr0: What's the name of that card? And it would be USB if "lsusb" lists it :) |
| 16:45.47 | zhr0 | ab05:1742 |
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| 16:45.56 | babilen | no name? |
| 16:46.16 | babilen | zhr0: Sorry, I can not look it up for usb devices, only pci by that identifier |
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| 16:46.52 | zhr0 | babilen sorry 0b05:1742 asus network adapter 11n |
| 16:47.08 | zhr0 | first one was wrong |
| 16:47.42 | babilen | zhr0: Follow the instructions in https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
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| 16:48.28 | babilen | zhr0: You essentially only have to install the firmware-ralink package from non-free. A suitable sources.list would be http://paste.debian.net/60519/ |
| 16:49.06 | zhr0 | babilen the pc has no net |
| 16:49.11 | gchristensen | I'm wanting to use preseed files to configure multiple network interfacesg, is this possible? I'm seeing the ability to do one, but it isn't clear if I can do a second as well |
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| 16:50.11 | babilen | zhr0: Okay, then download it from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, copy it to a USB stick and transfer it. You can then install the firmware-ralink package manually by running "dpkg -i firmware-ralink*.deb" as root (or via sudo) |
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| 16:51.02 | zhr0 | babilen ok |
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| 16:51.25 | babilen | gchristensen: If you don't get an answer here (and I don't know it from the top of my head) you could ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) or on the debian-user mailing list. |
| 16:51.39 | gchristensen | babilen: thank you a lot, I'll head there now :) |
| 16:51.55 | babilen | All the best! |
| 16:52.26 | babilen | gchristensen: You could also just try it, it is certainly an unusable requirement but I don't necessarily see why we would actively prevent you from doing so. What's the use case? |
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| 16:52.45 | gchristensen | babilen: unusable requirement? |
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| 16:53.20 | gchristensen | babilen: I have two NICs, one public network one private, and I need to configure both with static IPs, preferably in the preseed stage |
| 16:53.51 | gchristensen | oh, unusual? |
| 16:54.12 | babilen | gchristensen: Why? Wouldn't it make sense to configure that with, say, puppet, ansible, salt, ... once the box is installed? |
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| 16:54.51 | babilen | (if you plan to use any of those) |
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| 16:55.54 | gchristensen | babilen: I have all my nodes in chef currently. I considered doing it at that level, but it was starting to look insane: I have several datacenters that I deploy to, and this is the only one I need to preseed my own boxes. the other datacenters have very different NIC configurations, too |
| 16:56.00 | babilen | Or configure the one that allows you to access the internet during the installation and the other manually. Not saying that preseeding is wrong (and please ask in #d-boot (slow channel though! so idle)) but I haven't heard of that approach before. (that also doesn't mean anything) |
| 16:56.17 | gchristensen | got it |
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| 16:57.01 | gchristensen | so if I did make the configuration change in chef itself, I'd have to set up many different scenarios that I'm just not prepared to do at the moment :/ |
| 16:57.08 | zhr0 | babilen firmware-ralink_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb is the correct file? |
| 16:57.28 | babilen | gchristensen: There might be a nicer/better way to do that in chef too. It would be my gut feeling, but if you can get it working nice and neat with preseeding I don't see anything wrong with it. Well, some other people might *expect* it in chef too, but that is nothing that documentation can't help. |
| 16:57.53 | babilen | zhr0: Sounds about right! |
| 16:58.01 | babilen | s/help/solve |
| 16:58.02 | zhr0 | thanks guys |
| 16:58.40 | gchristensen | babilen: I can imagine that. The tricky part right now though is I'm the only guy on staff dedicated to deploying and maintaining our infrastructure, so I have to spend my time on things that offer big payoffs (preseeding is big, managing interfaces in chef is less big) |
| 16:58.40 | babilen | gchristensen: And DCHP and a central DCHP-based per-node configuration scheme is not an option? |
| 16:58.49 | babilen | +1 |
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| 16:59.19 | Freeaqingme | gchristensen, and on the long term? |
| 16:59.46 | babilen | gchristensen: Ask in #d-boot, they will be able to tell you if what you have in mind is feasible/doable or not. I just wanted to mention alternatives that come to mind :) |
| 16:59.47 | gchristensen | Freeaqingme: as in, will (in the long term) there be more people doing this work? yes |
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| 17:00.33 | Freeaqingme | I meant, what pays off better in the long term |
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| 17:00.40 | babilen | dhcp is probably not a good option :-/ |
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| 17:01.10 | kam | Hey guysI just installed debian on my laptop the option for wifi is totally missing, and also I'm not in the sudoers file, is there an easy fix for this ? |
| 17:01.32 | gchristensen | babilen: yeah, I'm hesitant to go DHCP. Freeaqingme: long term managing it in chef would be a better idea, but I'm not sure it prevents a long-term risk not doing it that way for now. |
| 17:01.40 | gchristensen | presents* |
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| 17:02.04 | gchristensen | obviously I'm open to feedback though |
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| 17:02.23 | babilen | gchristensen: My feeling is that you cannot preseed it (not by design), but I'd like you to verify it. |
| 17:02.24 | Freeaqingme | gchristensen, I've been in a similar situation as you; solution was to set a dedicate amount of time aside to work on longterm solutions only. If I didn't, I would always be busy with shortterm stuff |
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| 17:03.20 | zykotick9 | kam: re:sudo, add your user to the sudo group, then log out/back in. # adduser YOURUSER sudo |
| 17:03.27 | mtn | kam: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:03.41 | zhr0 | babilen works like a charm |
| 17:03.46 | gchristensen | Freeaqingme: I spend about 20% of my time on long-term things, but that list has (IMHO) more important thing than managing interfcaes in chef :/ |
| 17:03.52 | babilen | gchristensen, Freeaqingme: I guess the most important question is: Is it likely that *other* configuration settings have to be set for those "classes" of boxes in the future and would it then be nice to have those classes defined already? |
| 17:04.09 | mtn | kam: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 17:04.29 | babilen | zhr0: w00t! http://paste.debian.net/60519/ use that as your /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" to bring your system up-to-date. Anything else we can help you with? |
| 17:04.43 | kam | thank you. |
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| 17:04.49 | gchristensen | that's the bite - I haven't ever had to reconfigure a node's networking interface post-seeding |
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| 17:04.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell kam -about sudoers |
| 17:05.11 | Freeaqingme | gchristensen, ah, I see. In my case, automating all things was one of the top priorities, because all other configuration would have to be automated eventually anyways. So by setting up puppet first, I wouldnt have to go over all my configuration twice (and therewith not risking missing out on important stuff) |
| 17:05.16 | babilen | kam: It is quite likely that all you want to do is to install sudo and to add your user to the "sudo" group. |
| 17:05.28 | babilen | Freeaqingme: exactly |
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| 17:06.10 | babilen | gchristensen: No, not networking, but maybe other configuration changes would require the same abstraction layer. |
| 17:06.13 | gchristensen | Freeaqingme: agreed. that is why I'm trying to automate it ... in a preseed, where he preseeds are generated by my asset management utility. |
| 17:06.18 | kam | thank you. |
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| 17:06.36 | babilen | gchristensen: Anyway: go go go and ask in #d-boot. We can discuss all you want while you wait for an answer there ;) |
| 17:06.56 | gchristensen | I'm not sure what we're talking about then ... I use chef to manage everything, this PXE-boot machine is chef-managed as well writing out the kickstart configs using asset management |
| 17:06.58 | Freeaqingme | babilen, that channel is empty? |
| 17:07.01 | babilen | (and there is not point in discussing it if it is not possible) |
| 17:07.14 | babilen | Freeaqingme: It is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the official channels |
| 17:09.18 | Freeaqingme | oftc's ipv6 connectivity is down :( |
| 17:09.19 | kam | Also are there any sources I should add, security etc. or that's covered already? |
| 17:09.28 | gchristensen | there are very few items not managed in chef - the only ones off the top of my head is partitioning and NICs |
| 17:09.46 | Freeaqingme | gchristensen, nice ;( |
| 17:09.48 | Freeaqingme | * ;) |
| 17:09.52 | gchristensen | (the mounting IS in chef, the partitioning is not ... that scares me.) |
| 17:09.59 | patriku | I am just trying to find a client which would be able to use google video talk capabilities and I have found pidgin. Has anybody have any experience ? Thanks. |
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| 17:10.17 | Freeaqingme | gchristensen, why? It would make sense to me |
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| 17:11.34 | kam | haha so many questions, it seems the wiki is missing the driver for my wifi car |
| 17:11.36 | kam | card |
| 17:11.36 | gchristensen | well, I suppose it jus makes more sense to have the partitioning done by the preseed, and if I need to change it to redo the box. also, the chef work I've done is largely on top of an existing farm of machines which I'm bringing to normalcy. changing the partition tables automatically is concerning while running. |
| 17:12.07 | kam | How do I check my kernel version and can I update that? |
| 17:12.17 | patriku | kam: uname -a |
| 17:12.43 | patriku | kam: you can and you should if there is a new version. |
| 17:12.46 | kam | 3.2 thank you, I know the card is there 3.5+, can I update my kernels? |
| 17:12.48 | zhr0 | babilen all for now thanks |
| 17:12.48 | jhutchins | kam: you can also see what's installed with dpkg -l "linux*" |
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| 17:12.57 | babilen | kam: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 17:13.00 | kam | I'm on 3.2.0-4 |
| 17:13.01 | babilen | zhr0: enjoy! |
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| 17:13.07 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:13.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.5-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 17:13.21 | Discordian93 | hello! how can i upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 17:13.33 | jhutchins | !wheezy->jessie |
| 17:13.33 | abrotman | Discordian93: why do you want to? |
| 17:13.44 | Discordian93 | steam, mainly |
| 17:13.59 | abrotman | Discordian93: be aware that jessie has some instability, may or may not eat your children |
| 17:14.00 | kam | Cool, so where do I start reading about updating kernels? |
| 17:14.11 | babilen | kam: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 17:14.18 | Discordian93 | it can't be as bad as what ubuntu 13.10 did to my pc |
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| 17:14.58 | kam | babilen: i'm sorry i'm on a seperate computer, it outputs "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10sec:8723] |
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| 17:15.08 | kam | I need the rtl9823ae driver |
| 17:15.11 | babilen | judd: pciid 10sec:8723 |
| 17:15.17 | kam | rtl8723ae I mean |
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| 17:15.36 | babilen | kam: Somethings wrong .. :) |
| 17:15.48 | Nik05 | kam that should be in the kernel |
| 17:15.54 | kam | Oh man.. |
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| 17:16.12 | babilen | judd: pciid 10ec:8723 |
| 17:16.13 | judd | [10ec:8723] is 'RTL8723AE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'rtl8723ae' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8723 |
| 17:16.19 | babilen | kam: Is it that one ^^ ? |
| 17:16.28 | kam | Yes |
| 17:16.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell kam -about bdo kernel |
| 17:17.13 | kam | tell me -about wheezy-backports |
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| 17:17.19 | kam | am I doing this right. |
| 17:17.30 | babilen | kam: You will also have to install firmware-realtek from backports. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list would be http://paste.debian.net/60519/ (run "apt-get update" then "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` firmware-realtek" |
| 17:17.44 | Benkinooby | hi, how can i get more inforamtion about the -mem option in 7z ? it isn't even mentioned in its man page :( |
| 17:17.45 | babilen | kam: You can just "/msg dpkg wheezy-backports" |
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| 17:17.58 | kam | thank you :) |
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| 17:19.14 | hubbap | I have an otfe .vol file from an old Liberte Linux installation. Is there a way to mount this .vol file in Linux? |
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| 17:19.59 | jeep | hubbap: what is otfe ? |
| 17:20.27 | hubbap | jeep: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeOTFE |
| 17:20.36 | Discordian93 | so ireplaced every instance of wheezy with jessie in the sources list, that should do it right? |
| 17:20.55 | Benkinooby | is that the correct way to encrypt a zip archive? 7za a -y -tzip -pMY_PASSWORD -mem=AES256 archive-name.zip /path/to/directory-of-files |
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| 17:22.39 | jeep | hubbap: maybe cryptmount can do it from what i have found so far |
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| 17:22.50 | hubbap | Okay thanks |
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| 17:23.45 | sweb | i wanna have simple installation mail server on debian ... require web based mail client and forwarding option |
| 17:23.51 | sweb | debian 7.2 |
| 17:24.07 | sweb | i'm not expert on mail server configuration |
| 17:24.12 | sweb | any simple guide for this ? |
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| 17:25.14 | babilen | kam: Did that work out? |
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| 17:27.24 | kam | babilen: not yet running "aptitude -t wheeze-backports.."returned command not found |
| 17:28.55 | kam | How do I add software sources from the paste bin? |
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| 17:31.55 | kam | I think I figured it out, hehe you gave an answer in your comment |
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| 17:34.57 | kam | babilen: ok added the sources to source.list, updated, and aptitude wheezy-backports command worked. I just restarted |
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| 17:35.52 | kam | I'm still missing the wireless section from network-manager |
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| 17:37.57 | brilliant_ | kam new install? |
| 17:38.06 | kam | yes. |
| 17:38.20 | Elemeno-work | run a lspci |
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| 17:38.39 | kam | I need the rtl8723ae driver |
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| 17:38.50 | Elemeno-work | (I'm coming in on this really late, so I don't know where you are) |
| 17:38.52 | Elemeno-work | ok, cool |
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| 17:39.13 | mosez | hi |
| 17:39.16 | kam | i'm on 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel |
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| 17:39.29 | kam | I think the driver is available in later kernels |
| 17:39.58 | kam | http://paste.debian.net/60519/ <- I added these sources |
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| 17:40.11 | mosez | i found this command to create a partitioning for a device. is it possible to read the partitioning from a file? http://pastie.org/8421908 |
| 17:40.21 | gchristensen | Freeaqingme: I'm considering meeting you half-way on the NIC configs: if I have databag configuration for a node it'll write it out, if I don't though it'll leave it as-is. that way I can make my preseed assign a static IP, locate the hostname in the config management system, and overwrite the IPs it has with the proper ones. |
| 17:40.36 | brilliant_ | kam are you sure that the wireless was activated while installing |
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| 17:41.04 | Elemeno-work | apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 17:41.23 | babilen | kam: Did you install the backported kernel? You should be on a 3.10 kernel if that worked. Please show me the output of the command I mentioned earlier. |
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| 17:42.04 | babilen | kam: Do you use amd64 or i386 btw? |
| 17:42.14 | Elemeno-work | amd64 |
| 17:42.28 | kam | babilen: I typed in the command and everything went through |
| 17:42.32 | kam | i'm on amd64 |
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| 17:42.59 | kam | install firmware-realtek I get "firmware-realtek is already the newest version" |
| 17:43.23 | kam | brilliant: I didn't have an option for wifi, but it did give me the option to install laptop essential or something to that effect |
| 17:43.47 | Elemeno-work | sudo modprobe rtl8723e |
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| 17:44.08 | kam | "FATAL: module rtl8723ae not found." |
| 17:44.08 | Elemeno-work | then run iwconfig |
| 17:44.15 | Elemeno-work | rats |
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| 17:45.38 | babilen | kam: Okay, please show me the output of "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-realtek" and that of "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 17:45.52 | Elemeno-work | les/proc/modules|grep rtl |
| 17:46.02 | Elemeno-work | wait |
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| 17:46.07 | Elemeno-work | less /proc/modules|grep rtl |
| 17:46.09 | Elemeno-work | there |
| 17:46.29 | kam | babilen: sure it'll take one min I have to type it out. |
| 17:46.55 | babilen | Elemeno-work: That all want help if kam is still using the 3.2 kernel in wheezy and "less ... |grep .." doesn't work as less is a pager :). You can just "grep /proc/modules" to begin with, no need for cat there. |
| 17:47.11 | babilen | kam: Okay, then please tell me if that installs and/or lists the 3.10 kernel |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | so sad .. |
| 17:47.37 | babilen | kam: Is backports listed when you run "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" and does it have *** next to it? |
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| 17:48.07 | kam | babilen: That tells me "Media change: please insert the disc labeled "Debian GNU/Linux..." |
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| 17:48.40 | babilen | kam: In that case you are not using the /etc/apt/sources.list that I pasted. at http://paste.debian.net/60519/ -- please use that one and run "apt-get update" |
| 17:49.16 | kam | I edited the sources.list with gedit, would that have an effect? |
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| 17:49.54 | Elemeno-work | not unless you added a ".txt" to te end of it or something |
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| 17:50.08 | babilen | kam: As long as it looks like the one I pasted (and not different) I don't mind *how* you do it :) |
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| 17:50.23 | kam | nope, kept as it was and save - closed. |
| 17:50.43 | freegee | hello |
| 17:50.44 | babilen | kam: You *have* to edit it as root or with "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" if you do this in Xorg. |
| 17:51.06 | Elemeno-work | Hi there |
| 17:51.13 | freegee | i installed debian in VM but i can't see a desktop screen giving a terminal now |
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| 17:51.20 | freegee | so what's going wrong |
| 17:51.34 | Elemeno-work | ctrl+alt+F7 ? |
| 17:51.39 | kam | Ok, I didn't delete the top of sources.list just added on the sources. one sec |
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| 17:52.33 | kam | ok apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-realtek is working now. |
| 17:53.16 | zhr0 | is this apt sources list ok http://paste.debian.net/60529/ ? |
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| 17:53.39 | kam | Ok i restarted, and have the option to boot into 3.10 |
| 17:54.05 | Fozzy | Hello, I'm having trouble installing build-essential on wheezy. It has unmet dependencies on libc6-dev (or libc-dev) and g++. As I dig through the dependencies, I get stuck with libc6 (the version it wants to install (2.13-38) is older than the version that is on the system (2.17-7)). I have checked my sources.list a few times, and all I have is mappings for wheezy (from mirrors.kernel.org). Is there something else I can t |
| 17:54.05 | Fozzy | ry? |
| 17:54.20 | kam | Wifi option is there ! |
| 17:54.42 | Elemeno-work | kam: aweseom! |
| 17:54.53 | kam | Now, it just has to connect :D |
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| 17:55.09 | freegee | hello |
| 17:55.12 | kam | and it connected thank you babilen, elemeno-work and everyone else! |
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| 17:56.25 | freegee | i downloaded debian 7.2-i386 CD 1.iso,install finished with no errors, but can get me to a desktop what's going wrong |
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| 17:57.04 | kam | Now, a silly question, how do I install something like xchat :D |
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| 17:57.12 | babilen | freegee: That sounds about right. What's the problem? |
| 17:57.22 | oskie | when using 802.1q trunking, how can I make sure linux does not receive any frames on the native (untagged) vlan, the "base" interface? it seems it is automatically enabled in debian |
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| 17:57.31 | NewBee | Hi is tere any one intrested in e-books? I´m trying to get adobe digital edition to work on debian but it don´t work at all... The Library is using ADE |
| 17:57.34 | babilen | freegee: And why did you install i386, that's an unusual choice these days on modern hardware :) |
| 17:57.36 | freegee | babilen, i want a desktop now how to setup |
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| 17:58.07 | babilen | freegee: Oh, it "can *not* get you to the desktop" -- Sounds as if you didn't install the "desktop" task during the installation. |
| 17:58.08 | shingouz | kam: apt-get install xchat is what i usually use. aptitude is another choice to use for installs |
| 17:58.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell freegee -about install x |
| 17:58.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell freegee -about install gnome |
| 17:58.47 | daju | Hi I have a problem with my zenbook prime (ux31a) which is overheating, I think it's because the fan don't go faster as the cpu heats, any idea how I could fix that? |
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| 17:59.19 | babilen | freegee: And why i386? (just curious) |
| 17:59.27 | kam | shingouz: cool it worked, I guess it wasn't working cuz I didnt have the sources before thanks! |
| 17:59.33 | freegee | it's a virtual machine |
| 17:59.52 | Elemeno-work | did you install the guest additions? |
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| 18:00.16 | freegee | nope |
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| 18:00.56 | shingouz | kam: you obviousy have to have root privileges to install. you do not need sources for anything you install unless you want to compile the stuff yourself. apt has to be configured correctly so that the repositories work |
| 18:01.31 | kam | shingouz: Yup, I just didn't have the sources set up, I'm up and running on xchat thank you :) |
| 18:01.42 | shingouz | kam: np |
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| 18:08.47 | NewBee | How do I become a Debian and not feel I miss somthing out there... |
| 18:09.11 | Elemeno-work | Just Believe |
| 18:09.12 | shingouz | NewBee: is this zen? |
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| 18:11.37 | jelly-home | shingouz: do not feed the web-interface irc user! |
| 18:12.16 | shingouz | jelly-home: yes, Master |
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| 18:12.22 | NewBee | Oh... But I´m not a programer, so I can´t help so mutch as I wish. Porobably I need moore help then I give |
| 18:12.27 | daju | Hi I have a problem with my zenbook prime (ux31a) which is overheating, I think it's because the fan don't go faster as the cpu heats, any idea how I could fix that? |
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| 18:16.39 | NewBee | Any one with a anolog-TV card running in Dbian? |
| 18:16.49 | smonchi | helo |
| 18:17.28 | jelly-home | NewBee: yes, years ago when there still were analog TV broadcasts here in europe |
| 18:17.52 | jelly-home | there are none these days |
| 18:18.00 | NewBee | K |
| 18:18.42 | NewBee | Our cabeltv is still analog so any suggestions abut cards |
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| 18:19.12 | DammitJim | I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but if my parent DNS server that holds the domain -> IP record is down, is there a way to have delegation of the parent DNS? |
| 18:19.38 | cx-index | daju: i believe it is not OS-specific problem. fan control on zenbook is controlled by bios, no? try to update it |
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| 18:20.06 | tvm | DammitJim: there's #dns channel |
| 18:20.15 | DammitJim | oh, thanks tvm! |
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| 18:21.01 | shingouz | NewBee: i am not sure about this, but pick some card that works on windows and do a google on that card on linux before you actually buy the hardware. occasionally there are chipsets that do not work with linux |
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| 18:22.32 | NewBee | shhingouz K |
| 18:22.34 | shingouz | NewBee: pretty much the same thing applies to any hardware you get for linux. before shelling out money, do your homework on possible problems with that specific piece of hardware under linux |
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| 18:23.02 | cx-index | daju: btw, how is debian running on zenbook? any problems? aside from this overheating |
| 18:23.28 | daju | cx-index: fine but that |
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| 18:23.58 | cx-index | daju: testing or stable? |
| 18:24.09 | riceAndBeans_ | On all the debian based distros I've tried, I get connected but disconnected after a few a few seconds. If I disable and reenable the connection I can connect again for a few seconds. Is it possible this is a deb based software glitch with my wifi firmware? Is it possible I would have a stable internet connection with another distro, for example: arch? |
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| 18:24.10 | daju | cx-index: but if I have a 3min 70% cpu load brutal shutdown by the bios |
| 18:24.14 | daju | cx-index: stable |
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| 18:24.29 | Daniel12 | Hey, Propably a newbie question, but it was hard for me to find an answer to this online: Do apache2 logfiles really the full traffic stats? Let's say I have a 1GB file, as soon as someone starts the download it shows 1GB traffic, right? If yes, is there a tool to measure the real traffic? |
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| 18:24.56 | mtn | riceAndBeans_: if you use a different driver, sure |
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| 18:25.15 | mtn | riceAndBeans_: of a different configuration for the wireless |
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| 18:25.44 | NewBee | k, but I have lots of card but its a jungel to read is it only me that think its hard to know howto -h /r and so on? |
| 18:25.45 | daju | cx-index: I going to move to testing to see if the kernel have been patch since then |
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| 18:26.15 | cybrNaut | NewBee: you could get an SDR. These are tv tuner cards that can be used to gran any kind of radio signal-- e.g. pager transmissions |
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| 18:26.35 | cybrNaut | NewBee: there are some very cheap SDRs that work on linux. |
| 18:26.37 | NewBee | How do I send answe to a specific nic here in the chat? |
| 18:26.58 | cybrNaut | s/gran/grab/ |
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| 18:27.30 | jeep | NewBee: type the persons name |
| 18:27.34 | cybrNaut | NewBee: type /msg nick |
| 18:27.50 | cybrNaut | err.. what jeep said, actually |
| 18:27.55 | brilliant_ | NewBee: or /query nick |
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| 18:28.12 | shingouz | cybrNaut: NewBee do not msg people on this channel unless you know them, there will be flames if you do |
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| 18:28.32 | shingouz | !tell newbee about tab |
| 18:28.52 | jeep | NewBee: most clients have tab completion for the username .. new(tab) for example become NewBee: |
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| 18:29.00 | cybrNaut | shingouz: as i said |
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| 18:31.29 | BookWorm | Hi |
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| 18:34.12 | jelly-home | BookWorm: what happened to NewBee |
| 18:34.33 | BookWorm | I hit some keys and the i was out |
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| 18:36.57 | bezoka | Can I only hibernate my debian without shutdown? |
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| 18:36.59 | bezoka | all time |
| 18:37.06 | bezoka | 24/7/12/9999? |
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| 18:38.23 | bezoka | or I must shutdown it example about day/week/month? |
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| 18:38.51 | NotJimCarrey | in regards to /sys/devices/ is there an easyish way to make it so that users can modify the files? |
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| 18:39.07 | NotJimCarrey | like backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 18:39.47 | NotJimCarrey | it's currently set to: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Oct 22 11:24 brightness |
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| 18:40.17 | Elemeno-work | sure there is |
| 18:40.27 | jelly-home | bezoka: not sure what you mean, but if hibernation and resume works on your machine, you may do it whenever you want |
| 18:40.45 | NotJimCarrey | since it's owned by root, would adding user to udev work? |
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| 18:41.04 | Elemeno-work | sudo chmod 777 FILENAME |
| 18:41.08 | jelly-home | NotJimCarrey: chown and chmod work. |
| 18:41.23 | Elemeno-work | I wouldn't use chown |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | 777 might not be the greatest idea tho |
| 18:41.35 | shingouz | ...i am getting a bad feeling about this... |
| 18:41.38 | NotJimCarrey | but won't the permissions be reset for new devices? |
| 18:41.45 | jelly-home | NotJimCarrey: they will! |
| 18:41.49 | Elemeno-work | meh, it's a laptop |
| 18:42.19 | edju | Is it possible to have virtual terminals using the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 18:42.42 | Cityjohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.57 | NotJimCarrey | edju: i worked on that for a while, but could never get both ttys & xorg to use the driver |
| 18:43.12 | NotJimCarrey | it was only either/or |
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| 18:43.51 | bezoka | jelly-home: "had in mind, can I hibernate the system all the time and they could never off using the shutdown, and will not break down" - google translate |
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| 18:44.37 | jelly-home | bezoka: heh, are you asking if it's buggy? Sometimes it works well. On some systems and some kernels it does not. |
| 18:45.11 | jelly-home | bezoka: sooner or later you're going to have to upgrade the kernel, and at that point you'll want to shutdown or reboot properly |
| 18:45.34 | bezoka | ;P |
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| 18:46.03 | bezoka | so if I will use only "hibernation" my debian will no break down?:P |
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| 18:47.29 | aristoteles | hi my debian friends, i'm having an issue with scim, when i have scim-imengine i get a bunch of gtk errors very similar to this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705524 however i don't have scim-anthy installed so my solution has to be different. |
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| 18:48.01 | aristoteles | for me the problem seems to be when i install scim-kmfl-imengine, but i don't know how to fix it, any advice? |
| 18:48.08 | edju | NotJimCarrey, So you're using nouveau? I do, too - but I'm getting funny graphic. E.g., the close, minimize, maximize buttons aren't there. Rumming testing, btw. |
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| 18:48.45 | edju | *Running* |
| 18:48.46 | aristoteles | that is, when i remove scim-imengine i don't have the issue. however, i only installed scim because i want to use kmfl so this is an issue for me. |
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| 18:50.12 | NotJimCarrey | edju: yes, running nouveau |
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| 18:51.43 | aristoteles | any advice on scim bugs or am in the wrong channel? |
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| 18:58.44 | aristoteles | anyone here used scim? |
| 18:59.18 | aristoteles | anyone here used debian? |
| 18:59.26 | shingouz | !polls |
| 18:59.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 18:59.51 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 18:59.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:00.33 | babilen | aristoteles: And scim has been mostly superseded by ibus, might want to use that |
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| 19:00.47 | YANS | r.i.p isohunt.com ['] |
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| 19:01.28 | murmelbahn | isohunt is busted? |
| 19:01.35 | matt444 | Hi, I'm having an issue where I can use curl, apt-get, etc. from sudo without a problem. But my use cannot |
| 19:01.38 | matt444 | DNS issue I guess? |
| 19:01.42 | C00re | isohunt - one down, 20 new up |
| 19:02.07 | aristoteles | lol @dpkg what a robot! babilen: thanks for engaging. i would love to use ibus if i could just figure out how to use kmfl with ibus ... |
| 19:02.17 | C00re | cant beat the piracy |
| 19:03.31 | aristoteles | basically i've been working for 6 months to try set up a nice way to type in a native american language and the closest i've come is using an xkb symbols file and an XCompose file (but this only works per application which I have to load with relevant environment variables. thought that kmfl might be my saviour but i can't seem to get it working. |
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| 19:04.35 | aristoteles | so i can get ibus working, but i haven't figured out how to use kmfl with ibus and i can get scim working but scim-kmfl-imengine causes scim-setup to fail with a gtk error. i guess i have to write to the package maintainer. |
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| 19:05.57 | Cityjohn | I'm having some troubles booting, does every systems partition need to have a boot flag or just the mbr? |
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| 19:06.55 | Cityjohn | my debian now seems to have a NC flag for some reason |
| 19:06.56 | freegee | hello |
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| 19:07.11 | freegee | pLZ people i forgot my login and pass |
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| 19:08.27 | YANS | C00re isohunt.com was one of only. |
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| 19:10.06 | rhizome | hi all. i just reinstalled using lvm. i want to create a non-boot raid1, do i need anything more than mdadm? |
| 19:10.11 | freegee | hello i forgot my login and password what can i do now |
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| 19:10.26 | rhizome | "using" might be the wrong word there, but hopefully it doesn't make a diff. |
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| 19:10.51 | rhizome | freegee: single user mode |
| 19:10.59 | jubo2 | How do I easiest resize partitions ? |
| 19:11.19 | Cityjohn | with gparted |
| 19:11.20 | jubo2 | I need to shrink partititions to fit to new SSD drive |
| 19:11.44 | jubo2 | Cityjohn: can it handle also Win7 partitions whatever they use..? |
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| 19:12.01 | daju | cx-index: re |
| 19:12.02 | Cityjohn | why not use a windows disk manager then? |
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| 19:12.25 | jubo2 | Cityjohn: hmm.. that might do it.. *goes look for it* |
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| 19:14.12 | jubo2 | yeah.. found it.. |
| 19:14.23 | jubo2 | click right on disk and chose "smallen" |
| 19:14.23 | freegee | rhizome, how to |
| 19:14.23 | daju | cx-index: FYI it seems that moving to testing solved the problem, but making a new one but already solved, the backlight is off at start if you have Launch CSM : off and secure boot : on |
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| 19:16.39 | rhizome | freegee: google |
| 19:16.41 | cx-index | daju: thanks, good to know. just thinking of buying zenbook myself and was worried if it will work with debian properly |
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| 19:21.59 | daju | cx-index: You're hesitating between which and which laptop models?? |
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| 19:23.30 | Cityjohn | does anyone know what the word Grub and a blinking cursos on boot signifies might have went wrong? |
| 19:23.48 | Cityjohn | or how I can repair it, the grub config seems fine |
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| 19:26.04 | mumpitzel | Cityjohn: you will need to reinstall grub |
| 19:26.16 | mumpitzel | !tell Cityjohn about fixboot |
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| 19:27.27 | Cityjohn | is it worth pointing out that debian grub is not in on my mbr partition? |
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| 19:28.50 | Cityjohn | and i dont want it on the mbr either |
| 19:29.02 | gchristensen | Freeaqingme: dammit you opened my eyes to how poorly my providers have configured my interfaces! |
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| 19:30.42 | abrotman | Cityjohn: #grub is probably going to be more help, but sounds like grub can't find its config file |
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| 19:31.43 | Cityjohn | forgot about that channel argh :) but mumpitzel just gave me a great message |
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| 19:33.13 | mumpitzel | Cityjohn: yes you can install grub into your partition just fine. just make sure you set the grub partition as bootable. and if you have installed grub to the MBR before, you need to change back to the old MBR (e.g. via the "mbr" package if it still exists) |
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| 19:33.41 | mumpitzel | Cityjohn: at the grub-install point, you will use "grub-install /dev/sda1" |
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| 19:34.14 | Cityjohn | I'm a quad booter so I'd like to install the debian grub back in sda5 actually |
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| 19:36.47 | bezoka | how can I hibernation debian? |
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| 19:43.09 | mumpitzel | Cityjohn: grub can du quad booting just fine. you just have to decide which grub of your various OSes does the booting. you don't need to install grub from debian at all |
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| 19:43.37 | mumpitzel | I recently installed a new harddisk and let the old system disk in. grub recognizes now 2 windows installs and 2 debian installs just fine |
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| 19:47.46 | Cityjohn | yeah, maybe my issue is that I use win7 as a mbr and EasyBCD to define boot options.. |
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| 19:47.51 | Cityjohn | it has a GUI |
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| 19:48.26 | Cityjohn | perhaps updates in debian caused it to malfunction |
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| 19:49.03 | Cityjohn | it seems that Grub would be the superior choice indeed. |
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| 19:52.08 | zaxcvr | Hello folks, quick question, there is the following message in the terminal: bash: data/zeitgeist-daemon.bash_completion: No such file or directory |
| 19:52.13 | zaxcvr | how can I fix this? |
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| 19:58.47 | imdea | Hi, How do I change my debian wheezy grub boot order? |
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| 20:00.39 | jeep | imdea: /etc/default/grub |
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| 20:01.26 | imdea | jeep: er.. I would want that a certain entry appears first in the menu and it be choosen by default. as far as I know, I have to touch other files apart from /etc/default/grub |
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| 20:02.42 | jeep | imdea: open that file in a text editor .. grub_default line 0 is first entry 1 is second entry ect. |
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| 20:03.15 | imdea | jeep: er.. that's not what I want. |
| 20:03.39 | jeep | imdea: save that file and then run update-grub that will update /boot/grub |
| 20:03.52 | jeep | imdea: thats what you said you wanted |
| 20:03.59 | imdea | jeep: no. |
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| 20:04.25 | imdea | jeep: I told you that apart from choosing the entry that I want from the menu, I want that it appears as the first one in the menu. |
| 20:04.40 | imdea | jeep: editing /etc/default/grub alone is not going to do it. |
| 20:05.04 | Cityjohn | mumpitzel, looks like im attempting to install grub on a partitionless disk or to a partition, this is a bad idea says my error, embedding is not possible, will not proceed with blocklists |
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| 20:06.46 | Cityjohn | it's odd since only rewriting the grub config seemed to laod the bootmenu again, but it does not boot my debian after making that selection in grub |
| 20:06.49 | jeep | imdea: the rest of the files are /etc/grub.d/ |
| 20:07.20 | imdea | jeep: I know that, what I want to know is what other files do I need to touch in order re-organize the menu list order |
| 20:08.13 | mtn | Cityjohn: maybe this would help: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 20:08.53 | Cityjohn | meh i'd like to say that it did :) |
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| 20:09.56 | mtn | Cityjohn: did you install grub to /dev/sda or similar? |
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| 20:10.23 | Cityjohn | it doesnt allow me |
| 20:10.32 | jhutchins | imdea: Generally you run update-grub after you've made changes. |
| 20:10.38 | mtn | Cityjohn: details please. what command and what response or error? |
| 20:10.41 | jeep | imdea: there is aprogram grub-choose-default |
| 20:10.48 | mtn | Cityjohn: use a paste site if need be. |
| 20:10.50 | Cityjohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.53 | imdea | jeep: is it a package? |
| 20:10.59 | jeep | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/grub-choose-default |
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| 20:11.08 | jhutchins | The great big hairy deal that used to make people choose grub over lilo is that you always had to run lilo after you made changes. Now you always have to run update-grub. |
| 20:11.12 | mtn | Cityjohn: please paste the exact command and error. |
| 20:11.35 | Cityjohn | can't different pc.. but the command was install-grub |
| 20:11.37 | jeep | jhutchins: kind of funny isnt it ? |
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| 20:11.52 | mtn | Cityjohn: install grub what? was that all? |
| 20:11.59 | jeep | i loved using lilo |
| 20:12.02 | Cityjohn | /dev/sda5 |
| 20:12.11 | eflynn | how do get a description of a package from the command line |
| 20:12.38 | mtn | Cityjohn: I said "/dev/sda or similar". if you want grub to run things, it must be installed to /dev/sda or whatever drive is being booted. |
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| 20:12.55 | imdea | this is what I get while trying to install grub-choose-default: http://paste.debian.net/60584/ |
| 20:13.06 | mtn | Cityjohn: of course that will override whatever boot manager you are using now. |
| 20:13.11 | Cityjohn | but my grub worked fine embedded in sda5 before |
| 20:13.27 | Cityjohn | just stopped working after some updates I presume in debian |
| 20:13.30 | mtn | Cityjohn: ok, I thought you wanted grub to control booting |
| 20:14.00 | mtn | Cityjohn: I have no idea how the windows boot manager works. sounds like a question for a windows channel |
| 20:14.00 | Cityjohn | the problem i fear is not grub since I can now acces the embedded grub for debian but debian not booting after the selection is made... |
| 20:14.16 | Cityjohn | it works fine, it was grub that quit on me |
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| 20:14.26 | imdea | doesn't it work for grub2? |
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| 20:15.26 | mtn | Cityjohn: you couldn't pay me to use a windows boot manager :P |
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| 20:15.37 | Cityjohn | haha |
| 20:15.47 | Cityjohn | well you know, has a GUI, inexperienced user |
| 20:16.15 | jeep | imdea: guess not let me look |
| 20:17.30 | zaxcvr | Hello folks, quick question, there is the following message in the terminal: bash: data/zeitgeist-daemon.bash_completion: No such file or directory... how can I fix this? |
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| 20:19.02 | jeep | imdea: here is a thorough guide http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html |
| 20:20.28 | DammitJim | one needs to be either root or sudo to edit iptables, right? |
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| 20:20.54 | jeep | DammitJim: yes |
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| 20:21.48 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Strictly speaking you edit script that sets the tables, or you issue commands to edit the rules, but yes, as root. |
| 20:22.25 | jhutchins | DammitJim: If it were a multi-user system and the changes you were making would affect all users (whether they knew it or not), you need to be root. |
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| 20:26.59 | Cityjohn | 686-pae does not boot but the other one does, i think i broke something |
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| 20:28.08 | voxadam | This is something that I always forget and really need to document but when I setup a new system/VM and I log in via SSH (PuTTY) all the ANSI/ASCII lines in my prompt and other places show up as letters (e.g. "tqqqqqqqqqu"). When I login using the VMWare console all the lines are properly displayed. What is it that I'm forgetting to do? |
| 20:28.20 | Cityjohn | is there any known way to break your 686-pae boot and keep the 486 one intact? |
| 20:28.37 | Cityjohn | after a few checks it goes to blinking cursos |
| 20:28.43 | Cityjohn | cursor..* |
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| 20:28.55 | jhutchins | voxadam: Do you need to set something in the putty session? Maybe there's a default you can save? |
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| 20:29.05 | mumpitzel | Cityjohn: which "other one" and what cpu? |
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| 20:29.44 | voxadam | jhutchins: My PuTTY character set is set to UTF-8, maybe I'm missing some other setting. |
| 20:30.30 | mumpitzel | fonts on the putty client side? |
| 20:30.38 | voxadam | Maybe I should check my .zshrc to see if it's set to UTF-8. |
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| 20:30.49 | voxadam | vim .zshrc |
| 20:30.51 | voxadam | oops. |
| 20:30.58 | Cityjohn | I have a pentium core duo , the other is 486 mumpitzel |
| 20:32.42 | Cityjohn | I think this might have happened after the distro upgrade |
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| 20:45.17 | mowgl3y | Hi. my VGA card is '00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller', i can't find a display driver package. can someone please link me to it. |
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| 20:48.22 | mumpitzel | mowgl3y: these use the powervr viodechips afaik. which such and for which there are no good drivers available except the ones debian comes with out of the box |
| 20:48.33 | mumpitzel | mowgl3y: what is the output of "lspci -nn" for this? |
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| 20:50.45 | mowgl3y | mumpitzel: output: http://paste.debian.net/60593/ |
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| 20:51.44 | mowgl3y | mumpitzel: my flash videos lag after a certain time. it happens with both iceweasel and chromium. so i was wondering whether a specific package for the VGA would help. |
| 20:52.25 | jhutchins | Cityjohn: Are these official debian kernel packages? |
| 20:52.58 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 8086:a011 |
| 20:52.59 | judd | [8086:a011] is 'Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a011 |
| 20:53.16 | mumpitzel | mowgl3y: there is only one driver for it in existence |
| 20:53.52 | mowgl3y | ah cool. cheers. ill check it out. |
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| 20:57.55 | mumpitzel | mowgl3y: nothing to check. you are already using it |
| 20:58.09 | DANtheBEASTman | Which package provides `dpkg-buildpackage`? is it devscripts? |
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| 20:59.49 | mowgl3y | mumpitzel: right. i just saw it. |
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| 21:01.13 | mumpitzel | !tell DANtheBEASTman about about search |
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| 21:01.55 | jumperswitch | Hi |
| 21:02.21 | jumperswitch | Can I specify relative paths in a multistrap config file? |
| 21:02.34 | mumpitzel | !tell DANtheBEASTman about search |
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| 21:02.57 | jumperswitch | Because apparently it doesn't like them, but I really want to use them!! |
| 21:03.56 | DANtheBEASTman | mumpitzel: I understand how to search. the problem is none of my searches yield any results, nor does `apt-cache show` exactly what commands each package provides |
| 21:04.43 | Nik05 | DANtheBEASTman apt-file list |
| 21:04.55 | DANtheBEASTman | apt-cache search dpkg-buildpackage does not show the relevant packages. I believe it's devscripts but I do not see it when I `apt-cache show devscripts`. |
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| 21:05.08 | DANtheBEASTman | Nik05: apt-file isn't even installed on my machine |
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| 21:06.12 | mumpitzel | DANtheBEASTman: you don't know and you didn't read the factoid either |
| 21:06.29 | mumpitzel | DANtheBEASTman: hints: dpkg -S, apt-file, packages.debian.org. each of them can do what you want |
| 21:06.52 | Nik05 | ah right dpkg -S does it too |
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| 21:06.57 | mumpitzel | !tell DANtheBEASTman about installit |
| 21:06.58 | Nik05 | but its in dpkg-dev |
| 21:07.39 | Nik05 | probably want build-essential |
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| 21:07.58 | Nik05 | which depends on dpkg-dev... |
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| 21:10.16 | DANtheBEASTman | ahah, dpkg-dev thank you. mumpitzel I apologize, I didn't read the factoid you're right, and I had never heard of dpkg -S until now. sorry for my hasty reponse |
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| 21:11.01 | DANtheBEASTman | Nik05: so wait, build-essential depends on dpkg-dev, so if you install build-essential it install dpkg-dev, yes? |
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| 21:11.58 | Nik05 | no it remove dpkg-dev... -_- |
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| 21:13.02 | Nik05 | DANtheBEASTman did you read a manual? |
| 21:13.06 | DANtheBEASTman | oh.. that's weird.. I have all of those installed though |
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| 21:14.53 | Nik05 | DANtheBEASTman what is weird? |
| 21:15.07 | DANtheBEASTman | jumperswitch: you may be able to but I'm not sure I would recommend it |
| 21:15.10 | Nik05 | build you are using dpkg-buildpackage so you probably want to read a manual for building debian packages... |
| 21:15.25 | jarray52 | Do BluRay SATA/USB drives need special drivers? Does the type of Bluray influence the required drivers? |
| 21:16.13 | Nik05 | DANtheBEASTman http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/start.en.html#needprogs |
| 21:16.18 | Nik05 | no problem... |
| 21:16.41 | DANtheBEASTman | I feel like I've gotten a fairly good handle on how to easily backport packages, so I wanted to write a quick HOWTO and share my thoughts. I wanted to know which package provides dpkg-buildpackage in case it isnt' already installed on the reader's machine |
| 21:16.54 | DANtheBEASTman | I'll post it here before I submit it to the forum |
| 21:16.57 | freegee | hello |
| 21:17.19 | Nik05 | DANtheBEASTman use dpkg -S or apt-file search |
| 21:18.01 | freegee | i just installed base sytem and desktop system , now debian is using 8G space, does that sound right |
| 21:18.27 | DANtheBEASTman | freegee: depends which desktop package you installed |
| 21:18.41 | DANtheBEASTman | KDE is round about that I believe |
| 21:18.41 | freegee | gnome |
| 21:18.49 | freegee | gnome |
| 21:18.58 | freegee | i didn't install kde |
| 21:19.00 | DANtheBEASTman | yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the new gnome took up that much as well. |
| 21:19.10 | freegee | 7.2 |
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| 21:19.27 | freegee | it uses much memory now |
| 21:19.44 | DANtheBEASTman | gnome isn't exactly lightweight. you might try xfce |
| 21:19.49 | Nik05 | if i install gnome now it will use 1.3 GB |
| 21:20.07 | freegee | Nik05, how come |
| 21:20.07 | ugly | hi, I'm trying to set up a preseed configuration, however, the default option for keyboard selection in the official documentation ("d-i keymap select us") results in the installer still prompting me to select a keyboard, what am I missing? |
| 21:20.08 | Nik05 | so thats one part of your 8GB |
| 21:20.35 | ugly | also wonders if any of the people he IRCed with in this channel 10 years ago are still here |
| 21:20.38 | Nik05 | freegee because i already have other packages |
| 21:20.40 | ugly | !seen mwilson |
| 21:20.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mwilson', ugly |
| 21:20.41 | ValicekB | ugly, I don't remember seeing mwilson. |
| 21:21.21 | dondelelcaro | ValicekB: please turn off the !seen support |
| 21:21.34 | ugly | ahh yeah, I remember dondelelcaro :) |
| 21:22.06 | Nik05 | so freegee if you install gnome on a base system it will use more then 1.3 GB |
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| 21:22.43 | Nik05 | so 8GB could be normal |
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| 21:22.53 | freegee | Nik05, now it's using 8G.. |
| 21:23.04 | Nik05 | yes, thats what you said... |
| 21:23.20 | freegee | i didn[t even know what takes so much |
| 21:23.31 | freegee | i shall uninstall mandb then |
| 21:23.45 | mumpitzel | you could have disabled recommends |
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| 21:24.45 | Nik05 | wait you want to remove man-db? |
| 21:25.58 | freegee | what used so much |
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| 21:29.33 | mumpitzel | !tell freegee about localepurge |
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| 21:30.03 | mumpitzel | freegee: no factoid exists it seems, so just look insto the package localepurge instead |
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| 21:30.39 | DANtheBEASTman | apt-get source -b does not install the .dev does it? |
| 21:31.23 | DANtheBEASTman | *.deb |
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| 21:31.57 | mumpitzel | DANtheBEASTman: no. man apt-get to see what does |
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| 21:33.46 | DANtheBEASTman | I'd love some critique on this howto backport I'm writing: https://gist.github.com/DanielFGray/7108454 |
| 21:34.41 | freegee | mumpitzel, so i checked it the install is 4.2G exactly but debian.vdi is 8G, dont know what's up, i m using virtualbox |
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| 21:35.51 | mumpitzel | freegee: you checked with df -h ? |
| 21:36.01 | freegee | yes |
| 21:36.16 | mumpitzel | so I guess vbox just increases the vdi very aggressively. debian uses 4.2 and not a bit more |
| 21:36.20 | freegee | i use disk space usage tools |
| 21:37.01 | mumpitzel | freegee: what is the actual full size of all partitions inside the debian vm? |
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| 21:37.05 | andres833 | some to use php_fpm 5.2? |
| 21:37.09 | freegee | mumpitzel, so i forgot my password then i reinstall debian redownload everthing |
| 21:37.53 | mumpitzel | freegee: so your debian installation was bigger at one time and has shrunk? |
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| 21:38.11 | mumpitzel | btw: why would you need to reinstalle due to a forgotten password? makes no sense |
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| 21:38.47 | scorphus | Hello everyone I've updated gdm3 and gnome but now in the login screen I only see the cursor and a blinking cursor on top left |
| 21:39.29 | scorphus | but if I start X with normal user and type gnome-session, gnome shell loads |
| 21:39.56 | scorphus | any tips on what might be wrong? |
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| 21:40.16 | scorphus | where to look, what logs should I read? |
| 21:40.25 | freegee | mumpitzel, i checked it i have 1.6g extend partition and 1.6G swap |
| 21:40.25 | scorphus | thanks |
| 21:40.27 | freegee | lol |
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| 21:41.11 | freegee | mumpitzel, does this explains |
| 21:41.49 | elvora | Does anyone know what program is activated on ctr-c / ctr-v copy paste in debian? |
| 21:42.16 | mumpitzel | freegee: no it does not. 4.2+1.6+1.6 is not 8 |
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| 21:43.50 | freegee | the vdi is 8.5G exactly |
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| 21:45.10 | cheesecake_ | Hey, I was half asleep when using a headless Wheezy install, blindy did apt-get install openjdk-6-jre and forgot the ehadless part, it has installed hundreads of packages I dont need it pulled in and I cant remove them, even doing "apt-get autoremove openjdk-6-jre" it wants to INSTALL about 80 more packages at the same time it removes openjdk? |
| 21:45.17 | cheesecake_ | *headless |
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| 21:47.13 | mumpitzel | cheesecake_: look in /var/log/dpkg.log and see what has been installed. maybe write a script to parse it and then you can uninstall and purge all of these |
| 21:48.08 | cheesecake_ | The problem is when i try and remove anything now it says "the follwing extra packages will be installed" and wants to pull in gtk3 pulseaudio and all there dependencies |
| 21:48.10 | chrisoprase | Hi |
| 21:48.29 | chrisoprase | This are my options for a ntfs partition: noauto,nouser,relatime,uid=1000,gid=users,locale=en_US.utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137,permissions,exec |
| 21:48.49 | chrisoprase | Why can't I still execute files from the partition? |
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| 21:49.48 | chrisoprase | From several tutorials I've read, the exec at the end should do the trick |
| 21:50.37 | chrisoprase | I'm running the command as root obviously, put I still get permission denied |
| 21:50.43 | chrisoprase | *but |
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| 21:52.03 | JordiGH | Is there any hope in backporting gcc 4.8 to wheezy? |
| 21:52.21 | JordiGH | I mean, is it just a simple sid backport, or should I not even attempt it? |
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| 21:53.40 | DANtheBEASTman | JordiGH: have you tried it yet? |
| 21:54.18 | JordiGH | DANtheBEASTman: I just looked at the build deps. I think they're all in wheezy, but the fact that this backport doesn't exist for a very popular package has me worried. |
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| 21:56.17 | DANtheBEASTman | won't hurt to try |
| 21:56.50 | DANtheBEASTman | wheezy is relatively new anyway, there aren't a whole lot of anything in backports at the moment |
| 21:57.11 | DANtheBEASTman | s/anymore/right now/ |
| 21:57.13 | DANtheBEASTman | sometimes my fingers have a mind of their own |
| 21:59.39 | JordiGH | But gcc 4.8? |
| 21:59.40 | JordiGH | C'mon. |
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| 22:00.55 | DANtheBEASTman | I'll try it myself, give me a moment. |
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| 22:01.38 | JordiGH | In another question, I wish zlib1g would explain why it had the dfsg in its version number. |
| 22:01.58 | JordiGH | Actually, I wish every frickin' package would do that. I always have a hard time figuring out what a package did to get the dfsg in its version number. |
| 22:02.07 | dD | I'm looking for a quick way to install Windows without losing my current installation (on a partition, USB, external HDD). I've got an encrypted HDD, is resizing through the command line the only option I have? Or does someone know of a better choice? |
| 22:02.10 | DANtheBEASTman | I often wonder why packages have dfsg in the version number |
| 22:02.15 | daemonkeeper | Jikan: README.source should tell. |
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| 22:02.23 | daemonkeeper | err JordiGH |
| 22:02.36 | JordiGH | daemonkeeper: There's no debian/README in the source package for zlib1g. |
| 22:02.44 | JordiGH | daemonkeeper: Lazy packagers... |
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| 22:03.34 | JordiGH | daemonkeeper: I *think* I figured it out, though: the source package has a mostly empty contrib/ directory with a README.contrib file that describes a bunch of packages that are not there. My guess is that the people who created these packages didn't give them explicit licenses, so they were removed from the tarball. |
| 22:04.11 | JordiGH | Luckily for me, the only contrib package I wanted is there (and not built for the binary package). |
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| 22:04.34 | JordiGH | Yeah, DDs get lazy about explaining their dfsg version numbers. |
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| 22:08.49 | DANtheBEASTman | JordiGH: this is definitely not a simple sid backport |
| 22:09.13 | JordiGH | DANtheBEASTman: I figured... thanks for trying. |
| 22:09.25 | DANtheBEASTman | I'm pretty sure it's looking for a new version of libc as a new dependency |
| 22:09.51 | JordiGH | I wonder if these are Debian patches. |
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| 22:10.08 | JordiGH | If you just go and download the pristine gcc source, I'm sure you'll be able to bootstrap gcc. |
| 22:11.09 | DANtheBEASTman | worth a shot |
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| 22:11.32 | DANtheBEASTman | I don't really care that much so you're on your own there |
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| 22:17.17 | phenylanine | I have a question regarding the outcome of "netstat -lp | grep apache2" |
| 22:17.41 | phenylanine | can you please explain it? -> tcp 0 0 *:8002 *:* LISTEN 1234/apache2 |
| 22:17.56 | phenylanine | what difference tcp vs tcp6 make? |
| 22:18.08 | phenylanine | what difference does [::] vs * make? |
| 22:18.15 | phenylanine | do you see anything wrong with it? |
| 22:18.28 | phenylanine | I am a bit clueless, and could not find a good resource online to explain it. |
| 22:18.30 | phenylanine | thank you. |
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| 22:20.07 | jelly-home | phenylanine: tcp and *, judging from the context, denote ipv4-only listeners or connections. tcp6 and [::] can apply to both ipv4 and ipv6 regardless of the name. |
| 22:20.42 | phenylanine | jelly-home: does this outcome state a healthy apache running on port 8002 then, accessible by all? |
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| 22:21.47 | jelly-home | phenylanine: it's accessible over ipv4 only. If you have any ipv6 _only_ clients they wouldnot be able to access it |
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| 22:21.51 | sybariten | hi!" |
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| 22:22.14 | sybariten | Anyone know for sure if any debian live versions support the toram option ? |
| 22:22.45 | Freeaqingme | gchristensen, lol |
| 22:22.59 | Freeaqingme | be back in an hour if you'd like to talk ;) |
| 22:23.04 | phenylanine | jelly-home: thank you very much! |
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| 22:25.24 | sybariten | and also, does anyone know how this live-build thing works |
| 22:25.26 | sybariten | ? |
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| 22:42.38 | dD | Is there a simple way to resize an encrypted partition? |
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| 22:55.11 | hotwings | quick question.. if i install debian testing 32bit onto an ssd, could i stick that ssd in a different pc and debian would boot? i assume yes since all the drivers are compiled as modules.. ?? |
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| 22:56.53 | ZIPY | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/74418992/nautilus.jpg <-- does someone know how to remove usb1 and usb0 from nautilus in the left? it has no link anyways |
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| 22:58.40 | jelly-home | hotwings: it ought to work, yes |
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| 23:06.42 | jelly-home | sybariten: debian-live has a separate channel and it's on that other network, see /msg dpkg debian-live |
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| 23:08.29 | sybariten | jelly-home: yeah i'm there already i think! ;-) Why not on freenode, btw? |
| 23:08.39 | sybariten | (ive never understood the need for lots and lots of networks) |
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| 23:09.40 | jelly-home | irc.debian.org has moved off Freenode due to... reasons |
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| 23:10.30 | jelly-home | !oftc move |
| 23:10.31 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 23:11.33 | sybariten | ok |
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| 23:12.04 | cocotton | Hey guys, I was wondering if there is a way to use the command pvcreate on a logical partition (a partition in/under an Extended partiton) ? |
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| 23:15.04 | jelly-home | cocotton: you can do that just like on any other block device large enough for lvm |
| 23:16.05 | cocotton | Ok nice! Having a bit of trouble with pvcreate and was wondering if the logicial partition was the problem |
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| 23:23.58 | cocotton | Just installed debian + openvz on a hdd. When I'm doing fdisk -l, I can see my disk and the partitions, but I can't seem to be able to use pvcreate on one of the partition (even if I see it in the outpot for lvmdiskscan). I'm having this error : Can't open /dev/sda4 exclusively. Mounted filesystem? I can't seem to be able to find a solution to that.. |
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| 23:28.57 | jelly-home | cocotton: pastebin the output of "sfdisk -d /dev/sda", please, and "blkid" too. "sda4" does not sound like a logical partition at all |
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| 23:30.35 | jarray52 | I'm planning to use a Bluray disk to store data. Are all Bluray disk drives the same as far as linux drivers are concerned(Single-layer, double-layer, BDXL)? Is the only difference USB/Sata, or are there other issues (such as brand) as far as drivers are concerned? |
| 23:32.09 | jelly-home | cocotton: 1-4 are reserved for "primary" partitions in DOS MBR partition table layout. And with that I'm off, good luck |
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| 23:33.11 | cocotton | There you go (note that there is also windows 7 installed on that hdd) : http://pastebin.com/21HMh63f |
| 23:33.17 | cocotton | See ya jelly, thx! |
| 23:33.51 | hotwings | jelly-home - just saw your answer, thanks. i figured it should work but wanted to ask first so im not wasting my time |
| 23:34.21 | Nanuq | jarray52: Have you committed to using optical media? |
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| 23:34.56 | hotwings | optical media...from ancient times :) |
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| 23:35.46 | Nanuq | hotwings: Hey I still have working MO drives here. |
| 23:36.05 | jelly-home | cocotton: right, you can see from the starts and sizes, sda4 is the "extended" partition, a container for sda5 and sda6 that's not to be used directly |
| 23:36.21 | jelly-home | and now I'm really gone |
| 23:36.33 | cocotton | jelly-home: Thank you again :) |
| 23:37.41 | cocotton | But still have the same error if I'm trying with sd5, darn |
| 23:38.00 | DANtheBEASTman | I'd love some critique on this 'howto backport' I'm writing: https://gist.github.com/DanielFGray/7108454 |
| 23:38.30 | jarray52 | Nanuq: No. Is there a reason I shouldn't use it? |
| 23:38.47 | Nanuq | jarray52: I faced this issue recently. |
| 23:39.45 | Nanuq | jarray52: I did consider BD, even with the cheap media available now (warning: it's not as good as the more expensive stuff), but that would have me with one system and one drive that can work with it. Unless I upgrade everything, that is. |
| 23:40.04 | Nanuq | jarray52: I factored in cost, performance, reliability and physical size requirements. |
| 23:40.14 | Nanuq | jarray52: You're WAY better off with a portable HD. |
| 23:41.01 | Nanuq | jarray52: Consider the fact you don't have to do disk swapping, you don't have wasted space from not completely filling up the disc, and a USB3 drive will work on any machine since about 1998. |
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| 23:41.19 | Ponch0 | h |
| 23:41.35 | Nanuq | Yes yes, disk/disc. Pardon my inconsistency. |
| 23:41.46 | Ponch0 | how do I enable the click on my mousepad on laptop |
| 23:41.53 | Ponch0 | the middle click thing |
| 23:42.05 | Nanuq | jarray52: In my particular case I bought two 4T drives on sale. One serves as backup for the other. |
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| 23:47.19 | jarray52 | BluRay has a few advantages. For backup, the media lasts 100 to 150 years. The lifespan of hard drives is less than 10 years if it sits on a shelf. The discs are cheap and can be stored in several locations. Isos can be made for booting and installations if network boot isn't available or the OS doesn't have ability to mount the iso. |
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| 23:47.42 | Nanuq | jarray52: Yeah I was thinking of data retention. |
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| 23:48.16 | jarray52 | Nanuq: Also, bluray players are cheap these days. |
| 23:48.26 | Nanuq | jarray52: Just thought I'd share my experiences. |
| 23:48.44 | jarray52 | Nanuq: Fair enough. I just wanted to know if they work out of the box on Linux. |
| 23:48.46 | rudi_s | jarray52: "For backup, the media lasts 100 to 150 years." - thats a very interesting claim. |
| 23:49.03 | Nanuq | rudi_s: That's also assuming extremely good quality media. |
| 23:49.21 | jarray52 | rudi_s: It's built into the design standard for bluray. |
| 23:49.33 | Nanuq | jarray52: Pressed? |
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| 23:49.48 | jarray52 | Nanuq: Pressed? |
| 23:49.53 | jarray52 | reference? |
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| 23:50.14 | rudi_s | jarray52: Well, that's nice to hear. But we didn't have those kind of technology for more than 100 years, a little difficult to get a long term study for that, isn't it? |
| 23:50.49 | jarray52 | rudi_s: Agreed. But, it has been tested with accelerated aging technology. |
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| 23:51.10 | Nanuq | jarray52: pressed discs (like you'd buy a movie on), inorganic dye, or organic dye (low-to-high) |
| 23:51.13 | rudi_s | I don't even want to know what that is. |
| 23:52.19 | jarray52 | rudi_s: Also, tribology studies and microscoping imaging are useful for estimating certaing decay rates. |
| 23:52.42 | Nanuq | The earlier BD-Rs were inorganic, and are pretty reliable. The newer (cheaper) ones use an organic dye, and will not last as long. |
| 23:53.01 | jarray52 | Nanuq: That's useful to know. |
| 23:53.03 | Nanuq | About par with CDs and DVDs |
| 23:53.55 | rudi_s | jarray52: That's all nice. But in those cases I prefer hard evidence, like a document which is 150 years old before talking about the lifetime of such a product. |
| 23:54.26 | rudi_s | (But the real problem won't be the media anyway, it will be to know the storage format and extracting the data without a player.) |
| 23:54.42 | buu | I agree, lets not make any decisions about how to store data long term until we've tested the technology for 100 years. |
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| 23:54.54 | jarray52 | rudi_s: everyone knows that data doesn't exist. |
| 23:54.59 | rudi_s | jarray52: ? |
| 23:55.20 | jarray52 | rudi_s: did we have an AC outlel 150 years ago? |
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| 23:55.39 | rudi_s | jarray52: What's your point? |
| 23:56.10 | themill | the point is that such things can't possibly exist so saying you require them isn't going to get you anywhere |
| 23:56.28 | jarray52 | rudi_s: Tribology and decay rate studies are useful. They state that assuming no catastrophic failure occurs that the media will last 100 to 150 years at the current rate of decay. |
| 23:56.30 | Nanuq | jarray52: Nikola Tesla was only seven at the time. ^.^ |
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| 23:56.57 | rudi_s | themill: I'm sorry, I don't follow. What do you mean? |
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| 23:57.34 | jarray52 | rudi_s: Even if the technology hasn't been time tested (like paper) for 100 to 150 years, the media could still be useful. For something truly important, someone should transfer the data every few years or so. |
| 23:59.10 | rudi_s | jarray52: Ah. Of course. I'm not saying that it isn't useful. I just don't like statements like "it has a lifetime of 150 years" without any evidene. And for paper, we do have evidence. We know that paper of certain composition and with certain ink can survive many years. |
| 23:59.11 | Nanuq | http://www.technologyreview.com/view/520541/million-year-data-storage-disk-unveiled/ |
| 23:59.16 | Nanuq | Forgot I came across that earlier. |
