| 00:00.04 | ScottE | Hmm... I wonder if an apt-get install firmware-realtek would have been sufficient |
| 00:00.32 | holycow | he said he tried that but was not clear about why that did not work |
| 00:00.47 | ScottE | Ah ok, I didn't see that bit in the backlog... |
| 00:00.52 | dont-panic | ScottE: I told him that and he said it didn't work, I kinda think he didn't do some thing rght there |
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| 00:01.30 | dont-panic | I'll be back on in a hour or so |
| 00:01.47 | ScottE | Sorry, I missed all that - but I'm good at stating the obvious :-) |
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| 00:12.02 | fruitFly | how to make dpkg -i install the package WITH all the dependiencies? |
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| 00:12.47 | dvs | fruitFly: aptitude install |
| 00:12.53 | dvs | apt-get install |
| 00:13.09 | jeep | fruitFly: apt-get -f install gets them sometimes after the fact |
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| 00:14.23 | fruitFly | dvs: jeep I'm trying to install build-essential to get the "make" command to work, but apt-get install build-essential isn't working, and dpkg -i build-essential.deb is telling me I'm missing all these dependencies? |
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| 00:14.40 | holycow | uh what? |
| 00:14.46 | holycow | what error message do you get? |
| 00:14.53 | dvs | fruitFly: why isn't apt-get install working? |
| 00:14.57 | holycow | don't skip over error messages, you have to read them |
| 00:15.27 | BenNZ | does anyone know why apt-get would want to install linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 nvidia-kernel-3.10-3-amd64 when im using 32bit ? |
| 00:15.54 | fruitFly | holycow: dvs jeep http://pastebin.com/6XbFjeR5 |
| 00:16.08 | themill | BenNZ: presumably because you have linux-image-amd64 installed. You can run an i386 userspace on top of the amd64 kernel |
| 00:16.31 | holycow | add a repo that has buildessential? |
| 00:16.35 | dvs | fruitFly: There's got to be more than that. |
| 00:16.42 | fruitFly | dvs: No |
| 00:16.43 | BenNZ | themill: im using a 32bit kernel |
| 00:16.54 | fruitFly | dvs: fresh install |
| 00:16.54 | dvs | fruitFly: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:17.15 | themill | BenNZ: perhaps you can pastebin the full output. also, /msg dpkg bat |
| 00:17.27 | holycow | this would explain what the debian firmware package did not work |
| 00:17.35 | holycow | apt cannot find it |
| 00:18.14 | jeep | fruitFly: pastbin your sources file |
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| 00:18.30 | dvs | jeep: wake up!!! ;-) |
| 00:19.03 | fruitFly | jeep: holycow dvs http://pastebin.com/nZV22RCn |
| 00:19.15 | BenNZ | themill: what im doing is upgrading the nvidia driver to the one in unstable (im using testing) , this is the output http://dpaste.com/1427426/ |
| 00:19.38 | holycow | well |
| 00:19.41 | holycow | there is your problem |
| 00:19.46 | holycow | you don't have any repos in there |
| 00:19.53 | holycow | is this even an installed debian? |
| 00:19.56 | holycow | or are you running a live cd? |
| 00:20.09 | fruitFly | holycow: installed, how do I add repo? |
| 00:20.17 | dvs | fruitFly: Comment line 5, uncomment lines 8, 10, 17, 18 |
| 00:20.19 | themill | dpkg: tell fruitFly about wheezy sources.list |
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| 00:20.46 | holycow | then apt-get update |
| 00:20.47 | dvs | fruitFly: Actually, listen to what dpkg said |
| 00:20.56 | holycow | then reinstall build-essential as per above |
| 00:22.12 | dansan | Hey guys. I want to run a pre-built executable that loads a pre-built library and the library doesn't load. :( I think it's because it was built with a Sourcery g++-hacked gcc (4.4.1) and I have 4.6.3 (more specifically, Debian 4.6.3-14+rpi1). Even better, my toolchain appears to be hard float (arm-linux-gnueabihf) and I think theirs was soft float. Anyway, can I install a soft-float libgcc next to a hard-float one with apt? |
| 00:22.30 | holycow | now, does anyone know how grub in deb 7 expects to look for lvm encrypted volumes? |
| 00:22.37 | fruitFly | i made the changes but i can't save"can't open file to write"? |
| 00:22.38 | dansan | I would love to be able to get this thing running in gdb so I can say "hah! it's your toolchain!" :) |
| 00:22.47 | dvs | fruitFly: as root |
| 00:22.57 | holycow | bascically grub is reinstalled, it seems to have the same entries as before but it cannot find anything in /dev/mapper |
| 00:23.08 | BenNZ | themill: sorry was unsure what other information you wanted |
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| 00:23.28 | themill | BenNZ: "apt-cache policy $packages" and "apt-cache policy" would help |
| 00:24.02 | BenNZ | themill: ok would you like my sources.list and preferences file? |
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| 00:25.13 | themill | dansan: with debian's packages yes. With whatever derivative it sounds like you're using, I don't know. |
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| 00:26.07 | BenNZ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/61032/ <-apt-cache policy working on the other 4 for the pinned nvidia packages |
| 00:26.09 | K|NgGh0sT | So what is everyone doing for ATI/AMD OpenGL support in Jessie? |
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| 00:26.54 | dansan | themill: thank you. Yes, this is Raspbian. From what I understand, it's a pretty straight-forward set of patches on top of Debian. I only mess with the kernel though, so I can't so much about the distro its self. |
| 00:27.13 | dansan | themill: Can you tell me what command I would use or point me in the right direction pretty please? :) |
| 00:27.25 | themill | dansan: #raspbian might know whether this is even possible |
| 00:27.59 | dansan | Isn't there a debian standard way or doing this type of thing however? |
| 00:28.12 | themill | dpkg: tell dansan about multiarch howto |
| 00:28.12 | fruitFly | will apt-get install -f give me all the dependencies? |
| 00:28.24 | dansan | themill: TY!!!!!!!! |
| 00:28.39 | themill | dansan: except I have nfc if that will screw over your raspbian or not. Please ask them |
| 00:28.39 | holycow | -f is for force |
| 00:28.42 | dvs | fruitFly: you need to run "apt-get update" first |
| 00:28.46 | holycow | you actually don't want to use that unless you need to |
| 00:28.47 | themill | holycow: no it isn't |
| 00:28.49 | BenNZ | themill: the four pinned packages are http://paste.debian.net/61031/ http://paste.debian.net/61033/ http://paste.debian.net/61034/ http://paste.debian.net/61035/ |
| 00:28.52 | holycow | what dvs said first |
| 00:28.53 | fruitFly | dvs: dis that |
| 00:28.57 | holycow | themill: its not? let me man |
| 00:29.02 | dansan | themill: What's nfc? |
| 00:29.11 | dvs | fruitFly: Then "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 00:29.11 | holycow | ohhhh fix broken! |
| 00:29.12 | fruitFly | holycow: dvs did that update already |
| 00:29.14 | themill | dansan: "I don't know" |
| 00:29.14 | holycow | danke |
| 00:29.16 | BitPuffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.17 | holycow | you are correct |
| 00:29.28 | themill | BenNZ: can you try using aptitude for that upgrade? It has nice options like "-W" and "-V" that help |
| 00:29.51 | themill | BitPuffin: maybe. Perhaps. If it works. The packages are already there if you want to use them. |
| 00:30.11 | fruitFly | holycow: dvs http://pastebin.com/jyqMEJUC |
| 00:30.13 | BenNZ | themill: apt-get dist-upgrade i wouldnt mind installing those packages if they were 32bit , i dont see why tho they are 64 bit |
| 00:30.46 | dvs | fruitFly: "apt-get update" just like that |
| 00:30.49 | BitPuffin | themill: yes! I sat that they are there, but I mean are they planning to get rid of sysv? |
| 00:31.02 | fruitFly | dvs: did that already |
| 00:31.04 | dansan | themill: ty again. Yeah, if multi-arching affects Raspbian, I would be pretty sad. I think it's pretty important these days. On Intel/AMD there is x86, x86_64 and now x32. |
| 00:31.07 | themill | BitPuffin: maybe. Perhaps. If the alternatives work. |
| 00:31.10 | dvs | fruitFly: Then "apt-get install build-essential" |
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| 00:31.33 | BitPuffin | themill: alternatives? |
| 00:31.42 | themill | BitPuffin: systemd or upstart |
| 00:31.45 | dvs | fruitFly: No, you did "apt-get install update" |
| 00:31.49 | fruitFly | dvs: did that. I pastebinned my error |
| 00:31.59 | holycow | dvs: lol! i did not even catch that |
| 00:32.00 | holycow | heh |
| 00:32.01 | dansan | I use Gentoo on my workstation, I would love to have x32 sit side-by-side with my 32 & 64 bit "normal" abis |
| 00:32.07 | holycow | apt-get install apt-get |
| 00:32.08 | holycow | lol |
| 00:32.17 | fruitFly | dvs: NO, i did apt-get update above AND below that |
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| 00:32.27 | K|NgGh0sT | So, since I cant seem to get any OpenGL Support in Testing how can I downgrade back to Wheezy? Or do I have to reinstall |
| 00:32.33 | BenNZ | themill: also my preferences file paste.debian.net/61037/ , not sure why 64 bit would want to get installed |
| 00:32.40 | themill | dansan: x32 is a long way off being a useful thing in debian. i386 and amd64 can certainly coexist in debian. |
| 00:32.48 | themill | BenNZ: have you got that aptitude output |
| 00:32.50 | themill | ? |
| 00:33.00 | BenNZ | themill: sorry which one did you want? |
| 00:33.10 | holycow | fruitFly: so did you do like the error message suggested? apt-get -f install? |
| 00:33.22 | dansan | themill: I'm guessing it's a long way from being useful in most places still, oh well :) |
| 00:33.37 | BenNZ | themill: aptitude updgrade -V ? |
| 00:34.22 | BitPuffin | themill: why would they switch to upstart? |
| 00:34.26 | themill | BenNZ: aptitude -W -V dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.36 | fruitFly | holycow: it said it removed build essential |
| 00:34.45 | fruitFly | dvs: ^ |
| 00:34.57 | themill | BitPuffin: why not? It's Yet Another event-based init system and is known to work quite well. |
| 00:34.59 | dvs | fruitFly: It wouldn't be asking for a package called "update" if you did "apt-get update" |
| 00:35.19 | holycow | try installing libc6-dev ... what happens? |
| 00:35.20 | fruitFly | dvs: I did it by accident once |
| 00:35.33 | fruitFly | dvs: do i need to correct that somehow? |
| 00:36.07 | BenNZ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/61038/ |
| 00:36.08 | dvs | fruitFly: As long as you ran "apt-get update" after you edited the /etc/apt/sources.list file and it ran successfully, it should be fine. |
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| 00:36.24 | fruitFly | dvs: ok i did |
| 00:37.17 | fruitFly | holycow: no installation candidate |
| 00:37.34 | BitPuffin | themill: yes but it's most likely going to be adopted less and will therefore have less manpower on it |
| 00:37.41 | dvs | fruitFly: pastbin your /etc/apt/sources.list now |
| 00:37.45 | BenNZ | themill: so aptitude dist-upgrade will install 32bit versions and apt-get dist-upgrade will install 64bit http://paste.debian.net/61038/ , bug in apt-get? |
| 00:38.03 | themill | BenNZ: I have a deep dislike of negative pinning |
| 00:38.32 | BenNZ | themill: ok what would be a better way? |
| 00:38.57 | fruitFly | dvs: holycow http://pastebin.com/LVc5DPsv |
| 00:39.35 | themill | BenNZ: pinning unstable at 50 would be fine for this. And you don't need the package pin for nvidia either -- you'd just "apt-get -t unstable install foo" |
| 00:39.49 | dvs | fruitFly: Do what dpkg told you to put in there. |
| 00:39.58 | dvs | fruitFly: There should only be three lines |
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| 00:40.36 | fruitFly | dvs: from when i tried to instal build-essential.deb? |
| 00:40.37 | BenNZ | themill: is it because im using a negative pin , that apt-get wants to install a 64bit kernel? ok i will use 50 instead |
| 00:41.16 | themill | BenNZ: well, I suspect that it's forcing apt into a pretty odd solution by preventing packages being drawn in that would satisfy the dependencies |
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| 00:41.42 | dvs | fruitFly: There should be something like "themill told you..." |
| 00:41.50 | BenNZ | themill: ok so something like a 32bit driver wants a 64bit kernel? |
| 00:42.30 | BenNZ | themill: is my preferences file incorrect , other than the negative pin , i get the same apt-get with the pin at 50 |
| 00:43.55 | themill | BenNZ: what does "aptitude -W -V -t unstable install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig" want to do? |
| 00:44.10 | fruitFly | dvs: themill so just erase my sources list and paste those thre quotes one after the other on seperate lines? |
| 00:44.19 | dvs | fruitFly: yes |
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| 00:45.32 | BenNZ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/61046/ |
| 00:46.50 | themill | BenNZ: looks good to me |
| 00:47.11 | fruitFly | dvs: did that |
| 00:47.31 | dvs | fruitFly: "apt-get update" then "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 00:47.32 | fruitFly | dvs: apt-get update again? |
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| 00:47.49 | dvs | fruitFly: yes, you change the sources.list file |
| 00:48.17 | BenNZ | themill: so where does the 64bit kernel come into it? the dist-upgrade? |
| 00:48.36 | fruitFly | dvs: themill HALELUYAH!!!!!!! |
| 00:49.01 | fruitFly | dvs: how to check my packages? |
| 00:49.20 | dvs | dpkg -l build-essential |
| 00:49.21 | dpkg | ii build-essential 2.1-3 dvs's private gamp collection |
| 00:49.29 | dvs | see? |
| 00:49.48 | BenNZ | themill: i can always use aptitude -t unstable for the driver , but curious that with the nvidia packages pinned apt-get dist-upgrade wanted to install a 64bit kernel |
| 00:49.59 | fruitFly | dvs: no, how do i check all my installed packages? |
| 00:50.55 | dvs | fruitFly: apt-get -f install |
| 00:51.24 | themill | BenNZ: I can only speculate that there's a dependency there that apt is having trouble fulfilling in testing and isn't allowed to install from unstable because of the pinning. It then works out that it can satisfy that dependency by grabbing the amd64 kernel. Or something. |
| 00:52.03 | fruitFly | dvs: themill trying to use "make" to install this firmware and I get the error: http://pastebin.com/mq29gNkJ |
| 00:52.07 | themill | BenNZ: so you have a multiarch setup there or is it only i386? |
| 00:52.19 | BenNZ | themill: i386 |
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| 00:53.32 | dvs | fruitFly: no idea |
| 00:54.38 | themill | BenNZ: hmm.. I was wondering if a skew in the archs was the problem since that package was only uploaded yesterday. But that can't be it then |
| 00:55.37 | gchristensen | does a preinastll (%pre) script have access to curl or wget? |
| 00:55.55 | BenNZ | themill: the output of dpkg --print-architecture shows i386 , but is it possible i have other 64bit program versions installed? what would be the best way to check that |
| 00:56.06 | themill | gchristensen: wrong channel? |
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| 00:57.08 | gchristensen | preinstall* themill I don't think so ... I'm referring to a kickstart script on a PXE-booted installation. |
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| 01:01.28 | xsamurai | I know fixed this before but for the life of me I cannot recall what I did, this is on a dell system and ipmi is set to redirect |
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| 01:34.04 | rryoumaa | on boot a key file in /etc/crypttab is not found (even though i have confirmed that it is there if the previous luks partition is mounted). i can't seem to access the boot log anywhere in /var/log. is there a setting i can use to keep the boot log around? |
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| 01:41.49 | dansan | themill: yup, I cannot multi-arch armel & armhf on Raspbian :( So I guess I'll just install Debian armel into a chroot and do my testing from there |
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| 01:44.52 | nimbiotics | Hello all is Urban Terror supposed to work OOB or do I have to install some additional software? I;m not getting audio |
| 01:46.54 | BitPuffin | nimbiotics: maybe it's selecting the wrong card |
| 01:47.25 | nimbiotics | BitPuffin: there is only one on my box... |
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| 02:21.16 | nmschulte | Does anyone know how I can run a JNLP file with Debian? |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | isn't that just a java file ? |
| 02:22.06 | nmschulte | It's some special [web] container format I think, yeah. |
| 02:22.30 | themill | ,i icedtea-netx |
| 02:22.31 | judd | Package icedtea-netx (java, extra) in wheezy/i386: NetX - implementation of the Java Network Launching Protocol (JNLP). Version: 1.3.2-1; Size: 19.0k; Installed: 136k; Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web |
| 02:22.41 | nmschulte | Java Network Launching Protocol -- Java Web Start |
| 02:23.30 | themill | You'll have a javaws binary after installing that package |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | so not 'just a java file' |
| 02:24.20 | nmschulte | I do have the javaws binary. I pass it the path to my jnlp file, and it complains that it can't read or parse it. |
| 02:24.38 | themill | abrotman: jnlp is an xml file that describes what and how to run |
| 02:24.44 | nmschulte | Do I have to specify a full path? An use http:// ? |
| 02:24.56 | themill | nmschulte: which package are you using to get javaws? |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | themill: right, i remembered something special about it |
| 02:26.20 | nmschulte | $ dpkg -S '/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java' |
| 02:26.21 | nmschulte | openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java |
| 02:26.45 | nmschulte | javaws, excuse me. |
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| 02:27.30 | themill | and is /usr/bin/javaws actually pointing at the openjdk-7 version? |
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| 02:27.56 | nmschulte | Correct, it is using the alternatives system, which is pointing to that file (javaws). |
| 02:28.14 | nmschulte | icedtea-web 1.4.1 (1.4.1-1) |
| 02:29.07 | themill | fails to find a package called icedtea-web |
| 02:29.12 | nmschulte | I get this cause of the issue: Caused by: java.io.IOException: hostname can't be null |
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| 02:29.38 | nmschulte | $ dpkg -S '/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaws' |
| 02:29.39 | nmschulte | icedtea-netx:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaws |
| 02:29.51 | nmschulte | There you go then; apologies. |
| 02:30.25 | themill | nmschulte: does the jnlp file have a codebase="..." in it? |
| 02:31.31 | nmschulte | Indeed. |
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| 02:32.30 | themill | nmschulte: and is that pointing to an invalid URL? or missing a hostname portion of the URL? |
| 02:33.10 | nmschulte | <jnlp spec="1.0" codebase="http://www.wurmonline.com/client/" href="wurmclient.jnlp"> |
| 02:33.13 | nmschulte | Looks good to me. |
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| 02:35.20 | themill | nmschulte: you've now exceeded my knowledge of these things... perhaps ##java will know more |
| 02:35.53 | nmschulte | Okay, wait a minute. I htink this might be a proxy issue. |
| 02:36.06 | abrotman | blames Kentucky |
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| 02:36.47 | nmschulte | Oh yeah, totally a proxy issue. |
| 02:37.00 | nmschulte | I ran javaws with the -verbose option/flag, and it gave me more details. |
| 02:37.48 | nmschulte | It found the JNLP file just fine, and it then tried to fetch the http:// linked one, but it decided Firefox's proxy settings were a good idea. |
| 02:38.21 | nmschulte | And I of course don't have that proxy service available, hence the reason it is for firefox only, my secondar/tunneled browser. |
| 02:38.31 | nmschulte | What a silly assumption. |
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| 02:41.22 | nmschulte | Thanks. |
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| 02:50.00 | themill | heh |
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| 02:51.15 | Tylertwo | Hey, could anyone point me towards a guide for getting Java to work with Iceweasel (I'm using Wheezy)? I haven't been having much luck with this. |
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| 02:54.39 | themill | Tylertwo: installing the icedtea-7-plugin package should be enough |
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| 02:55.13 | phix | unless you using an application that requires Oracle Java |
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| 02:55.36 | themill | well, if you do, it's a broken application |
| 02:55.56 | phix | Try telling that to the Australian Government |
| 02:56.31 | themill | phix: I can't say I've ever had any trouble with icedtea-7. Which website? |
| 02:56.33 | dvs | Is openjava completely compatible with Oracle Java? |
| 02:56.37 | phix | I guess they spend billions of dollars for software licences for broken applications each year |
| 02:56.41 | themill | dvs: other way around |
| 02:56.53 | phix | themill: bp.ato.gov.au |
| 02:57.55 | phix | AusKey cryptography used to access gov department sites requires Oracle / sun Java |
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| 02:59.54 | abrotman | no /Sun, they're dead |
| 03:00.05 | Tylertwo | themill, That worked, tyvm. I think I had Java 6 and icedtea-6-plugin installed before, but for some reason installing icedtea-7-plugin did the job. |
| 03:00.18 | phix | abrotman: they are, but the versions of Java that was released under sun work with it too :) |
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| 03:01.09 | themill | phix: it is apparently possible to get it to work but yes, they're using non-standard language extensions to do this and assuming that they are present everywhere -- yes, that is broken java and it doesn't matter how much $ they are spending on it, it is still broken java. |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | phix: doesn't make it less broken :) |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | there is a reference iplementation AFAIK, and that's openjdk |
| 03:02.10 | themill | yes |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | breaks his fingers |
| 03:02.35 | phix | themill: possible but not practical or feasible :) |
| 03:02.57 | themill | well... it's clearly feasible. You just have to have too much time on your hands |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | figures this will devolve |
| 03:03.27 | themill | The ATO has never been very good at providing access to its services :S |
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| 03:04.46 | phix | themill: and then they have the nerve to send me letters telling me I am not submitting it fast enough :\ |
| 03:04.53 | themill | heh |
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| 03:06.16 | phix | Seriously, what is wrong with them sending me an itemised bill and if I have any issues with it I can despute it |
| 03:08.24 | phix | any way, out of topic now :) |
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| 03:22.15 | cluelesscoder | has anyone noticed that apt-mark showmanual seems to show things that aren't installed manually? |
| 03:22.28 | cluelesscoder | I'm wondering if there's a special definition of manual that I'm missing |
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| 03:27.30 | jned | when you login, there is a bash script in the users home directory whose name starts with a period that gets run so you automatically so you can add user level startup scripts there, anyone remember what it is called? |
| 03:28.53 | jned | I guess its .bashrc but I seem to remember some .startx or something |
| 03:28.56 | jeep | jned: .bashrc ? |
| 03:29.03 | jned | jeep guess so |
| 03:29.38 | jeep | ,xinitrc if you want to start the guid from a shell and pick which one |
| 03:30.35 | cluelesscoder | there's also .profile |
| 03:30.36 | jeep | you can make a ~/bin and execute them all from your .bashrc if you need wide variety |
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| 03:33.26 | jned | jeep, yeah, thats the one I remember now, .xinitrc |
| 03:33.40 | jned | cluelesscoder, thx |
| 03:34.05 | jned | see the thing is, I want to run some scripts on bootup, but as a regular use, not a root level user, what would be the best way to do that? |
| 03:34.35 | jeep | which desktop do you use ? |
| 03:35.20 | jned | jeep none, no desktop, its a server |
| 03:35.46 | jeep | jned: then use the .bashrc so long as bash is the shell |
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| 03:36.19 | cluelesscoder | I believe .bashrc is not intended for the login shell |
| 03:36.25 | jeep | jned: for one user or many ? |
| 03:36.34 | cluelesscoder | .profile (for Ubuntu) is for the login shell |
| 03:36.38 | jned | jeep, yeah but if server is restarted, and I don't login as that user, that script wont get run |
| 03:36.45 | jned | jeep, just 1 user |
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| 03:37.06 | cluelesscoder | the .profile typically reads .bashrc (it does for me) |
| 03:37.07 | jeep | soit needs to run when the server boots or when a user logs i ? |
| 03:37.19 | jeep | *in |
| 03:37.33 | jned | jeep, when server boots up. but I would like it to be run by the user. |
| 03:38.07 | jned | Basically I have some scripts that I run on my server as a regular user account. Now if server gets reboot, those scripts shutdown, I need to restart them automatically |
| 03:38.32 | cluelesscoder | you might look into /etc/profile |
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| 03:38.57 | jned | cluelesscoder, hmm, those will get run even if the user doesn't login. |
| 03:39.17 | jeep | jned: upstart so you can suid the script |
| 03:39.22 | jned | maybe I should asking, is there a way to make a user autologin |
| 03:39.44 | jeep | http://askubuntu.com/questions/109488/how-can-i-run-this-script-on-startup-restart-and-shutdown |
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| 03:40.06 | jeep | jned: those posts deal with what your tring i think |
| 03:40.15 | jned | jeep thx |
| 03:41.43 | jeep | jned: another decent read on the subject http://www.tuxation.com/setuid-on-shell-scripts.html |
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| 03:43.31 | jned | jeep, no that one is for running scripts as root |
| 03:43.41 | FreezingCold | Does Debian have something like Arch's AUR? |
| 03:43.42 | jned | jeep, but thx |
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| 03:48.11 | jeep | jned: just changed the setuid i believe for that secodn one |
| 03:48.38 | jeep | FreezingCold: what is that ? |
| 03:49.00 | FreezingCold | jeep: basically where any user can post an application without being approved and it's large database of programs |
| 03:50.15 | jeep | FreezingCold: i dont think so .. however alot of people offer .debs on there website to install with |
| 03:50.44 | jeep | FreezingCold: you can always compile things yourself usually fairly easy depending on what it is |
| 03:50.59 | FreezingCold | jeep: yeah I know, I was just wondering if there was a central place for stuff like that |
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| 03:51.14 | jeep | FreezingCold: i dont think are you looking for something specific ? |
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| 03:51.20 | FreezingCold | na |
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| 03:51.58 | jeep | FreezingCold: i like using opera browser .. so atopera.com they give a .deb out makes it nice |
| 03:52.22 | FreezingCold | jeep: but isn't it hard to keep it updated? |
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| 03:53.30 | jeep | no it tells me when new version is out |
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| 03:53.50 | FreezingCold | oh? |
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| 03:54.34 | jeep | FreezingCold: compiling software really isnt that hard .. |
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| 03:55.07 | jned | jeep, oh yeah, thx |
| 03:55.09 | FreezingCold | jeep: I'm aware :) Is it Opera that built the updating system in, or something in the .deb? |
| 03:55.50 | jeep | opera has its own system for checking it checks everytime browser statrts |
| 03:56.14 | jeep | FreezingCold: same method mozilla stuff uses |
| 03:56.50 | FreezingCold | yeahhhh.... |
| 03:56.58 | FreezingCold | the problem is that you can simply forget about it |
| 03:57.53 | jeep | yeah thats why checking on everystart is nice say i use iceweasel for a week or two .. then soon as i start it will say new version is out ect. |
| 03:58.10 | dont-panic | what all do I need to install for sound to work? |
| 03:58.25 | dont-panic | I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils but no sound |
| 03:58.34 | Nashenas | So I've managed to fix the broadcom-sta-dkms for the 3.10 kernel that's available through unstable. I'm not sure I've used the correct kernel version when writing the #if statements to get it working. Where can I go to read the proper process to submit the patch and to see how I can look up the exact kernel version number to use? |
| 03:59.51 | jeep | Nashenas: there is a #kernel-dev channel on oftc i think |
| 04:00.17 | jeep | dont-panic: is this on wheezy ? |
| 04:00.45 | Nashenas | jeep... actually... I might have been fixing something that was already fixed |
| 04:01.05 | Nashenas | I just noticed I had an older version of the package installed, and I was working off that... |
| 04:01.18 | dont-panic | jeep: yeah, netinstall |
| 04:01.23 | Nashenas | seems I just wasted two nights fixing something that was already fixed :( |
| 04:01.45 | jeep | Nashenas: heh well did you patch it the same way ? |
| 04:02.22 | Nashenas | jeep, I believe so. I haven't gone through all the changes, but where I was using kernel version 3.8.0 they were using 2.6.0 |
| 04:02.25 | Nashenas | 3.6.0* |
| 04:02.42 | Nashenas | sigh... still though I could have been coding what I actually wanted to code in the first place |
| 04:02.49 | Nashenas | thanks anyways! go debian! |
| 04:03.05 | jeep | dont-panic: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 04:03.30 | jeep | see the loading modules bit and alsaconf down the page a little that might be able to fix you |
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| 04:07.21 | dont-panic | jeep: ... lol, I had speakers plugged into the headphones jack and they weren't on and the headphones part of alsa was turned all the way down... I'm way too tired to be trying to do this shit lol |
| 04:07.28 | dont-panic | jeep: its working, thanks! |
| 04:07.38 | jeep | dont-panic: cool |
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| 04:08.01 | jeep | dont-panic: i usually have sound problems when i put the wrong module in a new kernel lol |
| 04:08.30 | dont-panic | lol |
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| 04:21.05 | FreezingCold | How do you guys feel about ksplice? |
| 04:21.11 | FreezingCold | been thinking it would be nice for mobile platforms |
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| 04:53.49 | qbert_8 | having trouble starting tor from vidalia in debian jessie. I make sure tor isn't running first, I have added my user to debian-tor group, and I still get this error /var/run/tor is not owned by this user but by debian-tor 117? any help? |
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| 04:56.30 | qbert_8 | even sudo vidalia does not want to start tor, saying /var/run/tor is not ownded by this user root but by debian-tor. Really strange now... |
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| 05:00.03 | ParkerR | qbert_8, sudo service tor start |
| 05:00.08 | ParkerR | Should be all that is needed |
| 05:00.16 | dont-panic | anyone know how I kick pts/7? |
| 05:00.36 | dont-panic | I'm logged on from work and I don't know how to log myself off from my house |
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| 05:06.12 | qbert_8 | ParkerR, I can get tor to start as a service, but I'm trying to get vidalia to be able to start / stop tor. I previously was doing this in wheezy, so not sure why I'm having the issues. Even sudo vidalia doesn't seem to be able to start tor. |
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| 05:10.53 | ParkerR | qbert_8, Did you log out and back in after adding user to group? |
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| 05:15.32 | we9 | hi, access windows shared folders from my debian 7 computer, i am unable to install gvfs-backends which should solve the issue...heres the error i get http://paste.debian.net/61090/ ...i accidentaly ran this machine with packages from the experimental repos for quite while and now it looks like something is broken :( help! |
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| 05:17.54 | qbert_8 | ParkerR, Yes I did. Strange I agree. The weird thing is even with sudo vidalia it won't start tor. Gives the /var/run/tor is not ownded by this user root but by debian-tor |
| 05:18.10 | ParkerR | I get that... 3 times now |
| 05:18.18 | qbert_8 | sorry |
| 05:18.43 | cheri_ | we9: you need to downgrade those dependency packages |
| 05:18.55 | qbert_8 | even if I'm not in the debian-tor group it should still start if I run as sudo I would think? |
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| 05:20.21 | we9 | cheri:how? i have now changed the sources.lst to use wheezy repos, |
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| 05:21.28 | cheri_ | we9: apt-get install gvfs=1.16.3-1. first use apt-cache policy gvfs this gives list of available versions for that package |
| 05:22.09 | cheri_ | we9: to force downgrade to a particular version you need to specify packagename = versionno |
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| 05:23.06 | cheri_ | we9: make sure that it is not breaking other things when downgrading |
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| 05:54.39 | blackmagic | having random issues, my wireless card randomly drops, i have to if(up/down) to restore it, any ideas? |
| 05:54.53 | blackmagic | AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) is my wifi adapter. |
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| 05:55.32 | blackmagic | not quite sure how to repair |
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| 06:01.52 | somiaj | blackmagic: do you use network manager or wicd, could they be conflicting with using ifup/down scripts? |
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| 06:03.04 | blackmagic | nope |
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| 06:03.08 | blackmagic | dont use any manager script |
| 06:04.41 | somiaj | well if you don't have a conflict, I wonder if it is because your wireless card doesn't stay assoicated with the AP and you have to ifdown then ifup to get it to reassoicate |
| 06:05.08 | blackmagic | what would cause that? |
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| 06:05.43 | somiaj | I am a bit fuzzy on the details here, but my wireless card sometimes won't assoicate or deassoicates with the AP. I think it is because of crudy firmware drivers |
| 06:05.44 | blackmagic | im 25 Ft from my AP |
| 06:05.58 | blackmagic | which firmware drivers shall i use? |
| 06:06.51 | blackmagic | should i use backports? |
| 06:07.12 | somiaj | What wireless card? In my case I just live with it and don't use my wireless card in some networks as a result. but next time it disconnects you can try to see what the issue is |
| 06:07.46 | blackmagic | Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 06:07.46 | somiaj | when it disconnects can you ping the ip of the interface? I think you can use iwconfig to check the status if it is assoicated with an AP or not too |
| 06:07.49 | blackmagic | thats the card. |
| 06:07.58 | blackmagic | nope, no network period |
| 06:08.13 | somiaj | do you have any errors in dmesg? |
| 06:08.50 | blackmagic | http://p.lo5t.com/view/6851ecb2 |
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| 06:10.30 | somiaj | I would try to track something down |
| 06:10.43 | blackmagic | and what way would i do this? |
| 06:10.45 | somiaj | I see that you deassoicated with the ap, but I am wondering if that happens when you 'ifdown' the device |
| 06:11.03 | somiaj | next time it disconnects before you ifdown it, check dmesg and see if you see any errors |
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| 06:11.11 | we9 | i keep getting this error...nautilus cannot handle "smb" locations...i have installed gvfs-backends from Sid repos how can i get rid of the error and access windows shared folders? |
| 06:11.16 | blackmagic | could the checksum on v6 cause it? |
| 06:11.27 | somiaj | see if it says you have deassoicated from the ap before you run ifdown |
| 06:11.35 | blackmagic | ok |
| 06:11.40 | blackmagic | and if it does, then what? |
| 06:11.47 | somiaj | you should then check the status if ifconfig -a (try to ping the address of the card) |
| 06:11.48 | blackmagic | sometimes it says reason=7 |
| 06:12.07 | somiaj | and then check iwconfig and see if it says the card is assoicated with an ap or not |
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| 06:12.21 | somiaj | not really sure on a fix, just suggestions as to track down where the error is |
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| 06:12.43 | somiaj | we9: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:12.48 | blackmagic | damn, so just a trial and error? |
| 06:13.03 | somiaj | blackmagic: you can try to look up the errors in google see if that gives you more clues |
| 06:13.15 | we9 | somiaj: cat /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid |
| 06:13.17 | somiaj | blackmagic: I don't know a solution but just general suggetions on dubbing |
| 06:13.22 | blackmagic | google gives me nothing worthwhile |
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| 06:14.18 | somiaj | we9: are you really running testing/unstable? I just want to make sure you aren't running wheezy and mixing in sid packages. care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net? |
| 06:16.35 | we9 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/61103/ |
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| 06:17.31 | somiaj | we9: okay you are just running sid, thanks. Double checking. The only other guess I have is you are missing a packge, but not sure which packages are needed for cifs support in nautilus |
| 06:18.05 | we9 | somiaj: thanks, i have so far installed smbclient and gvfs-backends |
| 06:20.13 | somiaj | do you have the gnome-system-tools package installed? I'm assuming you probabaly do |
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| 06:32.28 | naptastic | What version of glibc is Jessie using? |
| 06:32.32 | we9 | somiaj: i have it installed |
| 06:32.49 | naptastic | 2.17, nvm, found it |
| 06:34.37 | naptastic | I'm currently dist-upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie, but I don't see glibc anywhere in the list of packages being upgraded. Am I reading it wrong? |
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| 06:35.11 | naptastic | nevermind, now I see it (I think) |
| 06:35.13 | flypp | now glibc is a virtual package pointing at libc6 |
| 06:35.15 | naptastic | libc6 |
| 06:35.22 | naptastic | excellent, thank you |
| 06:35.30 | naptastic | is a derpface tonight. Time for bed? |
| 06:35.32 | naptastic | --> bed |
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| 06:56.54 | Wineasy | Hello, i am running debian 7, i wget the latest version of webmin from the official website and when i do "sudo dpkg --install webmin_1.660_all.deb" it stuck "Unpacking webmin (from webmin_1.660_all.deb) ..." |
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| 06:58.13 | jelly-home | Wineasy: how long is that step taking? |
| 06:58.27 | Wineasy | been waiting like 15 min yesterday |
| 06:59.39 | jelly-home | Wineasy: that's unusual, take a look at the process tree and perhaps strace the culprit to see what's going on. |
| 07:00.10 | jelly-home | unusual for "dpkg -i" I mean. I have no idea whether webmin is doing anything evil |
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| 07:02.19 | Iridos | s/idea/doubt/ |
| 07:02.39 | Wineasy | is there any other way to install webmin than dpkg -i ? (my knowledge of linux is not that good) |
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| 07:03.58 | Wineasy | i found lot of tuto on google but they are all saying to wget the source and install it using dpkg -i |
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| 07:05.57 | mcurran | what's the issue with dpkg -i? If you already tried and failed, then find the package that's broken via dpkg --get-selections | grep <some_package_words-use_asterisk_if_needed> then dpkg -P <real_name> to purge it |
| 07:06.31 | grn | I'm on sid and the last update broke aptitude. How can I install the previous version? |
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| 07:09.24 | Wineasy | ok i did what you said mcurran, now i got this: |
| 07:09.26 | Wineasy | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. - Errors were encountered while processing: webmin |
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| 07:10.26 | Iridos | dpkg, webmin |
| 07:10.26 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 07:11.03 | mcurran | yeah so you need to rebuild it and reinstall it, like you tried before and then purge it again, then you'll be fresh |
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| 07:11.35 | mcurran | I just had that happen with the linux-source package I made from the latest kernel yesterday |
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| 07:11.59 | mcurran | a good way to find broken packages is using sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall |
| 07:12.23 | Iridos | Wineasy, I think you can relate to the sentence about the package's quality :) What is the full error your got from dpkg -i webmin*deb before? |
| 07:12.46 | Iridos | mcurran, he knows what package is broken |
| 07:12.49 | mcurran | Did you build the package yourself or pull it via apt/synaptic |
| 07:12.58 | mcurran | I know, just for future reference |
| 07:13.22 | Wineasy | i wget webmin from their official website (wget link) |
| 07:13.26 | babilen | mcurran: You might be interested in "aptitude search '~b'" :) |
| 07:13.34 | Iridos | he didn't. it's a crappy package they offer. |
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| 07:13.43 | yogg | Hi |
| 07:13.52 | babilen | dpkg: webmin |
| 07:13.52 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 07:14.05 | mcurran | oh, well even if you reinstall the shitty package and then do the purge right after, it worked for me |
| 07:14.20 | Iridos | babilen, I just did that! |
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| 07:14.34 | mcurran | and it still complained on the purge? |
| 07:14.35 | babilen | oh, yes you did. you did indeed. |
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| 07:14.38 | yogg | I have search for clamfs on wheezy, but seems so that it is not longer available. Does someone know why? |
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| 07:15.17 | mcurran | I'm completely bullshit at this compiz breakage of gnome3 |
| 07:15.39 | Iridos | yogg, do you mean "clamav"? |
| 07:15.45 | Iridos | argh, now I feel like google |
| 07:15.53 | babilen | judd: v clamfs |
| 07:15.53 | judd | Package: clamfs on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.1-1.1+b2; sid: 1.0.1-1.1+b2 |
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| 07:16.12 | Iridos | oh |
| 07:16.26 | babilen | yogg: Without having looked into it I would guess that it wasn't ready for wheezy and has been removed, but give me a second to dig into that. |
| 07:16.28 | yogg | Iridos: clamav in combination with clamfs on acces scanner |
| 07:16.48 | yogg | babilen: thx |
| 07:16.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell yogg -about ssb |
| 07:17.05 | Iridos | obviously apt-cache search doesn't search deb-src ... it's always a point of doubt for me |
| 07:17.11 | babilen | yogg: It shouldn't be too hard to backport it from sid though as all build-depdencies are satisfied in wheezy or wheezy-backports. |
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| 07:17.37 | mcurran | thanks for the |
| 07:17.47 | mcurran | b search, now I have a mess I didn't know about |
| 07:17.51 | mcurran | :) |
| 07:17.54 | babilen | judd: bug #650059 |
| 07:17.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/650059 in poco (closed, sid, wheezy, patch): «poco: FTBFS with multiarch libmysqlclient-dev»; severity: serious; opened: 2011-11-26; last modified: 2012-08-25. |
| 07:18.04 | babilen | yogg: ^^^ |
| 07:18.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 07:18.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am getting the device not found error when grub tried to load. i dont even get a menu.. |
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| 07:18.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | er no such device |
| 07:19.34 | babilen | yogg: The way to get this information is to search for the package in question on http://packages.qa.debian.org/ which brings us to http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clamfs.html. Check the NEWS section for REMOVED and find http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clamfs/news/20120619T163914Z.html which brings us to http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/jcristau ; search for the package and discover the bug number |
| 07:19.55 | babilen | .oO( there is probably a better way ) |
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| 07:20.30 | yogg | seems to be a very user friendly way ^^ |
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| 07:30.03 | zenlunatic | is using iceweasel extensions not in the repository a security issue? |
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| 07:31.46 | Zharf | everything is a security issue |
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| 07:38.41 | digdilem | ^ that. |
| 07:38.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i just did was dpkg said to do with fixmbr lets see if it worked.. it complaind about not finding my pv2/1 when i performed the commands.. |
| 07:39.04 | digdilem | In each case; Understand the compromise and make a decision on whether it is acceptable to you. |
| 07:39.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | WOW |
| 07:39.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | it worked... |
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| 07:40.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | wow.. and here i doubted for an instance the 1337 of the Debian crew.. |
| 07:40.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | man was i wrong again.. |
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| 07:54.23 | Iridos | zenlunatic, it's not an unusual thing to do, though. only a slightly random selection of very very common extensions makes it into repos |
| 07:54.52 | mjt | Hello. I reinstalled debian (after 10+ years of upgrades :) and now I see some settings which points to stuff I don't have installed (or needed) anymore. For example, when I point to a java-webstart link in browser, it offers me to open it using some wine stuff. Where these things are stored? (Using xfce not gnome) |
| 07:55.27 | mjt | (not wine, winebrowser - for jnlp) |
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| 07:56.33 | Iridos | zenlunatic, also... I don't think that the packaged extensions have undergone a systematic audit... debian developers just package software, they don't necessarily review them for security (not saying they wouldn't refuse to package it if they saw some obvious issue) |
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| 07:58.25 | Iridos | mjt, I think that's not DE-dependent... well, dunno, at least my iceweasel in gnome-shell annoyingly does the same for some file-types... and at least for textfiles it's really hard to say where it's stored |
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| 07:58.45 | Iridos | and actually lately, I've seen other programs also use programs under wine as first preference |
| 07:59.58 | Iridos | mjt, generally, edit->preferences->applications has the list of what type of file triggers what action |
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| 08:01.21 | tormen | Hi. Is there a parameter to have apt-get source -b call/use make -j8 instead of make -j1 ? |
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| 08:02.35 | tormen | Can I set MAKEFLAGS and this will be used ? |
| 08:03.10 | mjt | Iridos: yes i know (it is in browser), but there, it has a list of apps to open stuff for each item, and in these lists, some items are marked with "(default)", -- that's what I'm talking about, how to change/clear these defaults. In other words, the browser takes this data from some other place, and allows editing some aspects just for the browser. |
| 08:03.18 | tormen | dpkg-buildpackage has a -j parameter but does not state how I can (globally) set this to lets say 8 |
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| 08:05.36 | Iridos | tormen, you can use apt-get only to download the source, then build with dpkg-buildpackage -jN |
| 08:05.47 | mjt | tormen: it is a per-invocation setting. You can create a shell wrapper for it, say, dpkg-buildpackage8, and run it instead |
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| 08:07.01 | tormen | ok, so I just alias dpkg-buildpackage, thanks! |
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| 08:07.22 | Iridos | tormen, "man dpkg-buildpackage" also seems to suggest that MAKEFLAGS is only added to, not overwritten... so it should work if it's compiled by make (which isn't a given) |
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| 08:08.08 | tormen | II have the feeling that when I set MAKEFLAGS to -j8, this actually gets detected and dh gets called with --parallel... |
| 08:08.13 | mjt | what is compiled by make? |
| 08:08.16 | mjt | ;) |
| 08:08.26 | Iridos | built* |
| 08:08.35 | Iridos | mjt, typo!! |
| 08:08.36 | Iridos | ;) |
| 08:08.40 | mjt | ok ;) |
| 08:08.50 | tormen | hehe |
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| 08:09.24 | tormen | do you know if setting MAKEFLAGS could be sufficient ? |
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| 08:10.57 | mjt | it's better to specify -j explicitly (either using alias of in command line) |
| 08:11.33 | mjt | (better = more visible/obvious and without undocumented possible side effects) |
| 08:11.54 | tormen | mjt: ok |
| 08:11.56 | tormen | thanks! |
| 08:12.19 | mjt | dpkg-buildpackage is a command called by user, so the user controls it |
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| 08:16.36 | babilen | tormen: It sounds as if you are doing it wrong, but you might want to look into DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS ; will have to go now so can't elaborate, but you might want to tell people in this channel what you are trying to achieve first |
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| 08:27.54 | tormen | Thanks! :) ... What I want to achieve I ought to communicate by stating "to have apt-get source -b call/use make -j8 instead of make -j1" |
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| 08:28.45 | efxlab_ | hey |
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| 08:31.25 | tormen | I think I still prefer the alias to dpkg-buildpackage as this will set BOTH MAKEFLAGS /and/ DEBIAN_BUILD_OPTIONS :) |
| 08:31.47 | tormen | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
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| 08:32.02 | themill | I don't think an alias is going to work there |
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| 09:11.22 | jelly | vipzrx: are you sure you're on debian 7? My /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm says "our $VERSION = '6.57_05';" |
| 09:11.55 | vipzrx | $ uname -a |
| 09:11.55 | vipzrx | Linux 39 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:12.17 | jelly | vipzrx: lsb_release -sc |
| 09:12.31 | vipzrx | $ lsb_release -sc |
| 09:12.32 | vipzrx | wheezy |
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| 09:12.45 | jelly | ok, that's debian 7 |
| 09:13.15 | vipzrx | jeekl: how can I remove the version 6.8 ? |
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| 09:14.28 | fishsponge | hello! i just did an apt-get upgrade on wheezy, which also updated chrome from version 29 to 30... when I load up chrome, it kills the X server... anyone else experiencing this?? |
| 09:15.13 | jelly | vipzrx: what does perl -MExtUtils::MakeMaker -e 'print $ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION, "\n"' say |
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| 09:16.18 | vipzrx | $ perl -MExtUtils::MakeMaker -e 'print $ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION, "\n"' |
| 09:16.18 | vipzrx | 6.57_05 |
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| 09:18.25 | jelly | vipzrx: looks to me the check in your bugzilla source is incorrect |
| 09:18.53 | vipzrx | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293873/ |
| 09:19.12 | vipzrx | jelly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293873/ |
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| 09:21.06 | jelly | vipzrx: so you even installed 6.80 from cpan. |
| 09:21.24 | jelly | (needlessly) |
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| 09:22.09 | patriku | fishsponge: you should be able to some errors in ~/.xsession-errors in that case. You can paste it somewhere and paste the link here or check it on your own. |
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| 09:22.23 | vipzrx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:23.07 | jelly | vipzrx: I cannot see 6.8 is even present on your system |
| 09:23.28 | jelly | there's nothing to remove |
| 09:23.44 | vipzrx | what should I do now ? |
| 09:23.48 | jelly | vipzrx: ask the bugzilla people why their check behaves that way |
| 09:23.59 | jelly | or proceed with the next step |
| 09:24.01 | vipzrx | to get the newer bugzilla ? |
| 09:25.12 | jelly | vipzrx: as far as I can tell, that version check is buggy. You have to figure out how to fix the check itself, or work around it, or ignore it if possible. |
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| 09:31.52 | sajjadg | Hi |
| 09:32.50 | sajjadg | I've just downloaded debian 7.2.0 DVD 1 via torrent but the md5sum of the .iso file differs with one is provided in the server! |
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| 09:33.12 | sajjadg | Is it possible that torrent breaks the file? |
| 09:33.15 | fishsponge | patriku, I can't see any errors relating to this in ~/.xsession-errors at all... |
| 09:33.26 | fishsponge | let me try again (which means I will leave IRC again)... |
| 09:33.45 | Shadur | sajjadg: It had damn well better not. |
| 09:34.01 | jelly | sajjadg: what was the exact torrent link you used? |
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| 09:34.31 | sajjadg | jelly: I got the torrent from debian.org |
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| 09:34.37 | Technodrome | when i do a make and then do a make install and i configure the dir to say /opt/something, the make install will *only* install in those dir's right? |
| 09:34.39 | sajjadg | Shadur:why? |
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| 09:34.43 | Technodrome | it won't hit the system anywhere else will it? |
| 09:35.25 | Shadur | sajjadg: Because it wouldn't be a terribly useful protocol if it did. |
| 09:35.49 | fishsponge | patriku, right - i just loaded it up again and it crashed the X server (I'm on the latest stable version of wheezy with Google Chrome 30... but I just downgraded back to version 29, and it still crashes). |
| 09:35.49 | jelly | sajjadg: right, but can you paste the exact link here so someone can check it? |
| 09:35.54 | sajjadg | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 09:36.01 | fishsponge | patriku, I therefore think this is something to do with the X server upgrade, perhaps... |
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| 09:37.28 | sajjadg | e4d8772a785b1edcb9adcd045704b02d is the md5 from the site for DVD1 and mine is 12c3bd388d52f7a5ccfcb591daba8492 |
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| 09:37.35 | fishsponge | patriku, the ~/.xsession-errors file is here: http://pastebin.com/KhFYdgiy |
| 09:38.01 | harpal | I have harddisk mounted on /mnt/oldlinux. I am trying to remove libc6:i386 using dpkg -P --force-all --root=/mnt/oldlinux libc6:i386 command |
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| 09:38.24 | harpal | but it throws error unable to execute installed post-removal script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:i386.postrm): No such file or directory although the file exists. |
| 09:38.29 | sajjadg | If anyone has debian 7.2.0 DVD1 please checks his md5sum and report it here. |
| 09:38.48 | babilen | sajjadg: You can find that on the mirrors |
| 09:39.10 | jelly | cdimage mirrors. |
| 09:39.14 | babilen | sajjadg: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ → MD5UMS |
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| 09:39.28 | smonchi | helo |
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| 09:40.24 | Broodje_Aap | ehlo |
| 09:40.37 | babilen | sajjadg: And as you rightfully mentioned it should be e4... ; Give me one minute to download that image. |
| 09:40.46 | sajjadg | babilen:I checked it. the problem is that mine is different with that! |
| 09:40.52 | fishsponge | can anyone help with this?? i just did an apt-get upgrade on wheezy, which also updated chrome from version 29 to 30... when I load up chrome, it kills the X server... I then downgraded chrome to version 29 and replaced the config and it still crashed the X server. anyone else experiencing this?? |
| 09:41.20 | sajjadg | 1min!!!!!!! it took me 4 days to get that image!!!!!!!! ow GOD |
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| 09:41.44 | vipzrx | jeekl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293972/ this is the perl script I issue " $ sudo ./checksetup.pl --check-modules " |
| 09:42.31 | babilen | sajjadg: Yes, I understand. I've just downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and get the expected checksum. |
| 09:43.04 | babilen | sajjadg: cdimage.debian.org is ftp.acc.umu.se for me |
| 09:43.20 | Shadur | babilen: Hang on, I'm grabbing via bittorrent, it's possible that something's going wrong there. |
| 09:43.33 | Shadur | checks... Should have an answer in about 20 minutes |
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| 09:43.45 | sajjadg | babilen: I used torrent file |
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| 09:45.57 | babilen | sajjadg: Yes, I am aware of that. |
| 09:46.19 | sajjadg | babilen:You have a Gbit internet?! |
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| 09:46.43 | Shadur | And like I said, it /shouldn't matter/. Not unless someone is seeding the wrong image to bittorrent. |
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| 09:47.40 | sajjadg | Shadur: If that's the case and someone is injecting a wrong piece in then we cannot trust torrent anymore! |
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| 09:48.12 | Monotoko2 | I've got a server that I can't SSH into but can ping, I'm getting a connection timed out even though firewalls are down and SSH is up and running according to "ps aux" |
| 09:48.34 | Monotoko2 | any ideas? Already restarted the SSH daemon, it's running... yet I still can't get a connection |
| 09:48.42 | Shadur | sajjadg: the bt spec don't allow you to seed corrupted pieces that easily -- it checksums the fragments, IIRC. |
| 09:49.01 | Monotoko2 | it's a production server so I'm wary of rebooting it, but I need access |
| 09:49.07 | Shadur | Monotoko2: run tcpdump on the receiving server, see if it gets the connection attempt at all. |
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| 09:49.37 | babilen | sajjadg: More than that, so give me a minute to download the torrent. |
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| 09:50.29 | sajjadg | babilen:really?! more?! 10G? where are you man? heaven? :) |
| 09:50.38 | jelly | I confess I've never seen 30MB/s from a torrent before |
| 09:50.49 | babilen | jelly: yeah, same here .. I love it :) |
| 09:51.04 | jelly | sajjadg: that's not even a full 1Gbps link |
| 09:51.07 | Shadur | babilen: cdimage.debian.org's gemmei.acc.umu.se for me. Close enough. |
| 09:51.10 | babilen | sajjadg: → #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:52.17 | Monotoko2 | Shadur, seems to be receiving it |
| 09:52.28 | Monotoko2 | not doing anything with it or offering me a password prompt though |
| 09:52.32 | babilen | sajjadg: I get the expected checksum too with the torrent |
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| 09:53.16 | sajjadg | babilen: :-/ any idea what maybe wrong here? |
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| 09:54.14 | babilen | sajjadg: Your download broke for some reason or another. Simply download it again. You might want to download it directly from the mirror this time. Also: Are you sure that you really want/need the DVD image? Are you not connected to the internet during (and after) the installation? |
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| 09:54.31 | mpmc | Hey guys, I've upgraded to unstable which also upgraded the kernel, I need to go back to a custom kernel, I've changed grub's default, but it's not having any affect, it still loads 3.11, any ideas? (Yes I am doing update-grub) |
| 09:54.36 | fishsponge | patriku, are you still there? |
| 09:55.08 | jelly | sajjadg: what is the md5sum of the torrent file itself? 09a1f555cf1581f2d27ef34ec92c4f18 debian-7.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 09:56.42 | linux-fox | hi,all |
| 09:56.59 | Shadur | Okay, torrent finished. MD5sum of the image: e4d8772a785b1edcb9adcd045704b02d |
| 09:57.22 | Shadur | jelly: That matches my MD5sum of the torrent file. |
| 09:57.24 | sajjadg | babilen: I don't have a good internet connection 256Kbps so I have problem downloading packages. I want to install Debian on different computers and I can save time by downloading the first DVD |
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| 09:57.53 | sajjadg | jelly: I don;t have the torrent file! I just opened it with transmission |
| 09:58.07 | sajjadg | firefox->download->transmission |
| 09:58.29 | jelly | sajjadg: well, save it this time |
| 09:59.38 | sajjadg | jelly: I will. but I should suffer 4 more days with ubuntugnome :( |
| 10:00.23 | jelly | sajjadg: unlikely, since a recheck and download of the same .iso ought to get only get differences |
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| 10:01.07 | linux-fox | i am going to build a irc server in a private network, which irc software should i use? it is a free software |
| 10:02.39 | Technodrome | question ./configure --prefix=/usr/local , when i do a make install will everything that gets installed go in there? it won't touch anything else on the system right? |
| 10:02.44 | Technodrome | no other files going anywhere else? |
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| 10:03.49 | sajjadg | jelly,Shadur: interesting thing happened. transmission showed that the file has been completed but then I r-clicked on the file and pressed check local file. then it checked and showed 99.8% |
| 10:03.52 | babilen | sajjadg: CD1 should be enough if you want to install Gnome and we offer specific images for KDE, XFCE+LXDE too. That wouldn't give you access to the rest of the packages on DVD1 after the installation though. |
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| 10:04.01 | fishsponge | where can I download xserver-xorg-core (1.12.4-6) from?? |
| 10:04.29 | fishsponge | i just upgraded to 1.12.4-6-deb7u1 and X keeps crashing when I load up chrome... :-( |
| 10:04.32 | jelly | fishsponge: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 10:04.37 | babilen | sajjadg: Ah, that's great. It didn't download completely then :) |
| 10:04.44 | Shadur | sajjadg: That'd do it, yes. |
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| 10:05.02 | sajjadg | babilen: I used CD and netinstall images before but they don't work well with poor internet connection of me! |
| 10:05.35 | babilen | sajjadg: CD1 shouldn't have to download anything during the installation |
| 10:05.54 | babilen | sajjadg: But its fine, it sounds as if you'll have a working and complete DVD1 soon. |
| 10:06.03 | sajjadg | jelly,Shadur: The transmission should do the local check after 100% we should tell them |
| 10:06.19 | jelly | sajjadg: does it not? |
| 10:06.26 | jelly | even rtorrent does that |
| 10:06.46 | sajjadg | jelly:it's calculating the sum :) |
| 10:06.51 | sajjadg | old computer :) |
| 10:06.59 | sajjadg | YES |
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| 10:07.13 | sajjadg | e4..2d |
| 10:07.14 | sajjadg | :D |
| 10:07.51 | sajjadg | jelly: transmission didn't! |
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| 10:08.22 | jelly | sajjadg: it's possible your old computer might have issues with ram or disk |
| 10:08.35 | sajjadg | Thank you guys. specially jelly,Shadur :) |
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| 10:09.18 | sajjadg | jelly:I don't think so! It has more than 8G free space on disk and has a 2G RAM |
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| 10:10.34 | jelly | sajjadg: I'm saying the hardware might be broken, flipping a bit here and there |
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| 10:12.12 | sajjadg | jelly:It's possible because I had that problem with my flash drive before. that's why I use md5 now :) |
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| 10:14.16 | fishsponge | patriku, I'm back... here is the actual current new ~/.xsession-errors file: http://pastebin.com/hD3aDKjj |
| 10:14.43 | fishsponge | does anyone know why my X server keeps crashing when I open Google Chrome?? |
| 10:15.21 | sajjadg | https://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/4649 |
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| 10:22.00 | rioch | I've created a bootable usb installer using hd-media, but the /hd-media folder is never created. Any ideas what might be wrong? |
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| 10:26.52 | babilen | fishsponge: Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log{,old} would be of more interest |
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| 10:27.20 | fishsponge | babilen, bear with me... i'm just trying to downgrade everything back to where it was...! |
| 10:27.54 | isidore | hi, my package system seems to be fairly broken, is there a set of common steps i can follow to try and fix it? |
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| 10:28.55 | fishsponge | babilen, here it is: http://pastebin.com/ezRSqbjG |
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| 10:30.18 | babilen | fishsponge: Okay, that is very interesting. I would ask you to kindly read https://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging and check http://bugs.debian.org for applicable bug reports. If you could file one that would be wonderful and the people over in #debian-x on irc.oftc.net would probably like to see that too. |
| 10:30.52 | fishsponge | babilen, i don't have time for the unfortunately - i'm at work, and I need my work PC to function correctly, if you know what I mean... |
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| 10:31.00 | fishsponge | i'm basically trying to fix my PC |
| 10:31.20 | babilen | fishsponge: Might be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=724651 btw |
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| 10:32.26 | babilen | fishsponge: I udnerstand. Good luck and sorry for the inconvenience. |
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| 10:37.04 | isidore | ok i've basically narrowed it down to my cups package being broken |
| 10:37.13 | isidore | Bu cups - Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server |
| 10:37.16 | isidore | what does Bu mean? |
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| 10:39.31 | themill | dpkg: tell isidore about aptitude states |
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| 10:53.36 | Technodrome | is /usr/lib on your path? |
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| 10:54.28 | isidore | fixed |
| 10:54.37 | isidore | themill: thanks |
| 10:54.59 | sajjadg | babilen: you said that CD1 is enough for installing a basic gnome desktop or any other desktop. :-/ I think I can use it then. for testing other Desktop Environments. thanks |
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| 10:59.37 | babilen | sajjadg: DVD1 would work just fine. I simply suggested CD1 so you don't have to necessarily download the *entire* DVD1 again. As you have DVD1 now you should just use that. |
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| 11:07.07 | ocx | what is the difference between pkg-config and dpkg -l |
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| 11:09.30 | cuqa | hey, my hoster does not offer wheezy images, so I updated from debian 6 but I receive lots of error messages when installing new packages |
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| 11:10.01 | cuqa | everything seems to work fine, but I get tons of those warnings: "dpkg: warning: files list file for package "xyz:amd64" missing after debian upgrade" |
| 11:10.07 | babilen | ocx: They are entirely different programs |
| 11:10.11 | cuqa | -after debian upgrade |
| 11:10.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell cuqa -about bat |
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| 11:11.45 | mjt | .msg dpkg bat |
| 11:11.46 | mjt | er |
| 11:12.18 | reavengrey | /msg dpkg cat |
| 11:12.32 | cuqa | wat? |
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| 11:15.37 | armin | hm, since for file in /etc/ssl/certs/*; do apt-file search "$file"; done doesn't return any lines: any hint where those ca certs come from? |
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| 11:17.12 | mjt | armin: instead of that, you can do dpkg -S /etc/ssl/certs; and also take a look at -- grep /etc/ssl/certs /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
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| 11:17.44 | babilen | armin: They are all symlinks and the package that contains them is, unsurprisingly (!), ca-certificates |
| 11:18.42 | babilen | armin: The actual certificates are in /usr/share/ca-certificates/ |
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| 11:19.05 | Sevet | the update-ca-certificates script updates the symlinks |
| 11:19.08 | mjt | babilen: you're spoonfeeding them :) |
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| 11:20.06 | armin | thanks guys |
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| 11:34.28 | ola2 | as |
| 11:34.36 | ola2 | plz help me |
| 11:34.50 | ola2 | i want to create offline installation of deb package |
| 11:34.54 | ola2 | but couldont |
| 11:34.57 | ola2 | i did this |
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| 11:35.07 | ola2 | apt-get -d build-dep nmaeof package |
| 11:35.24 | ola2 | then i wrote apt-get download namepackage |
| 11:35.30 | ola2 | then dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 11:36.00 | Cylta | how to increase sound to more, than 100% volume? |
| 11:36.26 | ola2 | cylta purchase speakers |
| 11:36.32 | ola2 | good speakers |
| 11:36.33 | ola2 | haha |
| 11:36.35 | Cylta | ola2: headphones |
| 11:36.45 | Cylta | ola2: I barely can hear anything in this particular video. |
| 11:37.06 | mjt | some (video) players can increase volume programmatically |
| 11:37.11 | Cylta | ola2: previous series was much lauder. so, problem with program... |
| 11:37.13 | mjt | eg vlc |
| 11:37.16 | Cylta | flash player =) it can't |
| 11:37.19 | ola2 | plz ppl help me |
| 11:37.30 | ola2 | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 11:37.30 | dpkg | package *.deb is already installed |
| 11:37.36 | mjt | lol |
| 11:37.38 | ola2 | no |
| 11:37.39 | Cylta | ola2: what is your problen? |
| 11:37.42 | ola2 | i downloaded it |
| 11:37.49 | ola2 | like this |
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| 11:38.03 | ola2 | apt-get download nameofpackage |
| 11:38.10 | mjt | wanders away from repeating non-questions... |
| 11:38.26 | rozie | ola2: and the problem is...? |
| 11:38.36 | ola2 | error while unpackaging |
| 11:38.46 | armin | Cylta: vlc is able to do that. keep in mind that this might involve serious sound distortion, bad sound quality, clipping, and all sort of unwanted side effects. |
| 11:38.48 | ola2 | openvas is name of collective packages |
| 11:39.06 | rozie | ola2: pastebin full output with error |
| 11:39.08 | armin | i still consider it a mess to include that feature in a standard volume fader. |
| 11:39.13 | ola2 | ok |
| 11:39.39 | Cylta | armin: what about flash player? online films |
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| 11:40.24 | armin | Cylta: no way to do that without dsp. |
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| 11:40.44 | Cylta | armin: dsp is something below alsa? |
| 11:41.08 | ola2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.15 | ola2 | sorry |
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| 11:41.20 | ola2 | sorry my mistake |
| 11:41.24 | ola2 | its this |
| 11:41.34 | armin | Cylta: i'm not even sure if that works with alsa. |
| 11:41.36 | ola2 | apt-get -d build-dep openvas-scanner |
| 11:41.45 | ola2 | unable to find package openvas-scanner |
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| 11:43.00 | ola2 | apt-get -d build-dep openvas-scanner |
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| 11:43.08 | rozie | ola2: use pastebin.com (OSLT) |
| 11:43.22 | ola2 | i have it doenot answers me immediately |
| 11:43.26 | Iridos | Cylta, pulse can do it for your programs. run pavucontrol, run the music, whatever, increase level to 120% or whatever |
| 11:43.29 | armin | also use a good paste service, not pastebin. |
| 11:43.41 | ola2 | plz if u could tell me that too |
| 11:43.48 | armin | see paste.debian.net for example. |
| 11:44.15 | Iridos | Cylta, and default wheezy installations with the "desktop" task from the installer come with pulse installed |
| 11:44.22 | armin | alternatively fpaste.org if you like blue better. |
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| 11:45.23 | Iridos | judd, versions openvas-scanner |
| 11:45.24 | judd | Package: openvas-scanner on i386 -- experimental: 3.2.3-4.1 |
| 11:45.35 | Iridos | it's *only* in experimental |
| 11:45.44 | ola2 | like what should i type |
| 11:45.49 | ola2 | apt-get download ... |
| 11:46.02 | ola2 | apt-get download openvas-scanner and what |
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| 11:47.31 | Iridos | dpkg, experimental |
| 11:47.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 11:47.58 | ola2 | sir,im not able to get it |
| 11:48.03 | ola2 | plz give me command |
| 11:48.07 | ola2 | apt-get download openvas |
| 11:48.10 | ola2 | like this |
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| 11:48.30 | moronicredeyed | but i used packages from experimental at own risk hehe |
| 11:49.07 | mumpitzel | !lell ola2 about experimental |
| 11:49.08 | ola2 | ok my own risk tell me |
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| 11:49.23 | ola2 | tell me how to type that command |
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| 11:49.30 | mumpitzel | ola2: you will need the experimental repo which contains software that is very buggy usually |
| 11:49.43 | mumpitzel | apt: experimential |
| 11:49.45 | mumpitzel | apt: experimental |
| 11:49.45 | apt | from memory, experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental , you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
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| 11:50.02 | ola2 | my problem is that i have dpkg packages |
| 11:50.12 | ola2 | i used this dpkg -i *.dep |
| 11:50.18 | ola2 | but couldnot install it |
| 11:50.34 | mumpitzel | ola2: how is that a problem?. you can still use it but it'S dpkg -i *.deb _not_ *.deP |
| 11:50.38 | mumpitzel | b instead of p |
| 11:51.21 | ola2 | o my god thats understood |
| 11:51.27 | ola2 | i know that i have done that |
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| 11:52.19 | mumpitzel | then what full output do you get when you run dpkg -i *.deb |
| 11:52.28 | ola2 | openvas-scanner |
| 11:52.35 | ola2 | unable to unpack the package |
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| 11:52.45 | ola2 | error processing |
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| 11:53.21 | jelly | ola2: pastebin the full output |
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| 11:53.39 | jelly | "unable to unpack" sounds as if the package was not downloaded properly |
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| 11:54.05 | ola2 | i dont know |
| 11:54.17 | ola2 | but same worked for me for a different package |
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| 11:54.25 | jelly | alteratively, it might be using new compression inside and you're running an old Debian release |
| 11:54.48 | ola2 | no im downloading package from repository |
| 11:54.59 | ola2 | and now i want to get it installed on a different machine |
| 11:55.01 | ola2 | now tell me |
| 11:55.02 | jelly | ola2: what does dpkg -I ....deb say? |
| 11:55.12 | jelly | that's an uppercase i |
| 11:55.12 | ola2 | it saysy error processing |
| 11:55.24 | ola2 | unable unpackaging openvas-scanner and 10 more |
| 11:56.15 | jelly | ola2: alright, what does ar tv openvas-scanner...deb say? |
| 11:56.45 | ola2 | it says openvas-scanner not found |
| 11:56.53 | ola2 | actually it is not standard package |
| 11:57.01 | jelly | ola2: put it the correct path to the .deb file |
| 11:57.06 | ola2 | i downloaded that pacage with dependencies from repository |
| 11:57.19 | ola2 | now i want it to install on a different machine just using deb packages |
| 11:57.51 | jelly | ola2: pastebin the full output of "ar tv /path/to/wherever/openvas-scanner...deb" |
| 11:58.04 | ola2 | sir nobody answers on pastebin |
| 11:58.09 | ola2 | i have tried it many times |
| 11:58.13 | jelly | !paste |
| 11:58.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:58.30 | jelly | ola2: show the URL of your paste here manually. |
| 11:58.37 | ola2 | ok wait |
| 11:58.47 | ola2 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/953b8470/ |
| 11:59.12 | jelly | ola2: that is NOT the output of "ar tv ..." |
| 11:59.45 | jelly | ola2: do you have a .deb file for that package, or not? |
| 11:59.48 | ola2 | what does ar tv gives |
| 11:59.56 | ola2 | ya i have .deb package |
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| 12:00.13 | jelly | then please provide the output of that command. |
| 12:00.13 | ola2 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/727c25d7/ |
| 12:00.16 | ola2 | this |
| 12:00.26 | ola2 | uinm working on virtual machine |
| 12:00.27 | ola2 | its slow |
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| 12:00.33 | ola2 | and im chatting on windows |
| 12:00.34 | jelly | that's not the output of "ar tv ..." either. |
| 12:01.03 | ola2 | ok wait |
| 12:01.13 | ola2 | im starting another machine on which the problem there |
| 12:01.15 | ola2 | plz wait |
| 12:01.26 | themill | jelly: ar: ...: No such file or directory |
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| 12:01.42 | jelly | !pie themill |
| 12:01.43 | dpkg | hits themill in the face with a cream pie |
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| 12:03.20 | jelly | the language barrier is at 92% and holding |
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| 12:06.16 | magnetophon | Hi, I can't get tapping to work on my touchpad. The pad generally works, including hor and ver scrolling, and tapping is enabled in gpointing-device-setting. |
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| 12:06.21 | bezaban | ar. handy |
| 12:06.23 | ola2 | jelly:nosuch file or directory found |
| 12:06.40 | ola2 | jelly: ar:openvas-scanner:No such fil or directory found |
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| 12:06.55 | makara | hi. I'm trying to determine the total bandwidth cost of a "git pull" command. Is there a program that can do this in the form 'app git pull'? |
| 12:06.59 | baseline | What's the easiest way of upgrading to a package that isn't available in the wheezy repos? |
| 12:07.00 | magnetophon | In xev, I get MotionNotify events when I tap, but nothing else. Not sure if I should be getting any other events. |
| 12:07.07 | magnetophon | Any Pointers? |
| 12:07.16 | ola2 | abay mat bol bhai rukja |
| 12:07.20 | ola2 | pehlay main |
| 12:07.25 | ola2 | jelly: plz help me |
| 12:07.41 | baseline | or I should say package version |
| 12:07.44 | jelly | ola2: you will have to locate that .deb file yourself |
| 12:07.51 | ola2 | fuck u |
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| 12:08.18 | bezaban | ola2: behave |
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| 12:08.26 | isidore | he's gone |
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| 12:08.42 | bezaban | ah, problem solved |
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| 12:08.50 | jelly | !next |
| 12:08.50 | dpkg | NEXT PLEASE! |
| 12:08.57 | baseline | I've installed a package from .deb which requires GLIBC_2.14 and GLIBC_2.15 (Althought presumable 2.15 would do the trick) |
| 12:09.13 | jelly | baseline: that .deb is not made for Debian 7. |
| 12:09.34 | |Trend| | q: if i have a program i would like to have started on boot time, can i set it to run as a specific user, not system? |
| 12:09.43 | jelly | baseline: is it steam by any chance? |
| 12:10.23 | baseline | jelly: It's Adobe Brackets |
| 12:10.34 | baseline | I guess that answers my questions though, I'll give up |
| 12:10.36 | baseline | cheers guys :) |
| 12:11.00 | jelly | baseline: fun. If you really need it, you could run it in a chroot installation of jessie (testing) |
| 12:11.19 | jelly | baseline: see /msg dpkg schroot, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 12:14.25 | jelly | Dear drhouse123 / permaban, could you please ease it with the nickname changes |
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| 12:16.04 | permaban | jelly: cool i 've be easy |
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| 12:37.29 | flypp | I'm using Jessie x86-64 up-to-date and KDE. Konsole seems not to detect alt-4 . No shortcut issue. On wheezy 64, kde, alt-4 works fine (virtualbox). Can someone check it out please? |
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| 12:44.55 | jasic | hi guys |
| 12:44.59 | jasic | I had a question |
| 12:45.46 | phenylanine | what is it jasic? |
| 12:45.55 | jasic | hi guys |
| 12:45.55 | jasic | I had a question |
| 12:46.29 | oskie | network question: it seems ethX must be up for vlans on ethX to work (e.g. ethX.Y). this is a problem because this means application will start spewing packets on the native vlan |
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| 12:46.37 | oskie | is there a way to prevent this? |
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| 12:47.00 | jelly | oskie: do not set up an IP address on untagged ethX at all. |
| 12:47.17 | oskie | jelly: well i haven't... but it seems to set up ipv6 address automatically |
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| 12:47.35 | jelly | oskie: do you need ipv6 otherwise? |
| 12:47.42 | oskie | jelly: besides, apps can still pass layer 2 packets without an IP on the interface |
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| 12:48.06 | oskie | jelly: not really, but it seems debian adds it automatically... the IPv6 autoconf thingy |
| 12:48.13 | jelly | oskie: nonroot can't do crap on layer2 afaiui |
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| 12:48.24 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 12:48.25 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 12:48.25 | oskie | jelly: ah, ok! |
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| 12:48.38 | oskie | jelly, thanks! |
| 12:48.43 | Dagger2 | uh, you can disable v6 on specific interfaces |
| 12:48.49 | Dagger2 | no need to disable it on the entire system |
| 12:48.52 | oskie | Dagger2: how? |
| 12:49.13 | jasic | phenylanine, are u a dev of Debian OS ? |
| 12:49.18 | oskie | oh google helped me |
| 12:49.23 | phenylanine | jasic: no, not at all. |
| 12:49.25 | jasic | jasic, I needed a dev |
| 12:49.27 | Dagger2 | `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/IFNAME/disable_ipv6` |
| 12:49.33 | jelly | jasic: just ask your question |
| 12:49.34 | oskie | ah |
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| 12:49.57 | jelly | let the channel decide whether you need a dev or not |
| 12:49.59 | jasic | Is Debian developed using LFS or from where is it developed ? |
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| 12:50.36 | jelly | jasic: it is bootstrapped from Debian these days. |
| 12:51.16 | jelly | jasic: or are you asking about the history? Debian existed before LFS... |
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| 12:52.30 | Guest47039 | jasic: Debian isn't developed "from" anywhere, it just has a lot of clever people creating packages and a Debian-style Linux kernel |
| 12:52.33 | bezaban | jasic: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 12:52.56 | jasic | oh so, Debian features its own kernel ? |
| 12:53.10 | Sevet | jasic: debian predates lfs by 6 years |
| 12:53.20 | bezaban | jasic: it uses the linux kernel, but with some debian specific packages |
| 12:53.24 | bezaban | patches* |
| 12:53.39 | jelly | jasic: there's Debian for either Linux or HURD or the FreeBSD kernel |
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| 12:54.28 | bezaban | ooh right. Knew about hurd, didn't know about the fbsd kernel |
| 12:54.38 | bezaban | that needs testing |
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| 12:54.50 | jasic | oh |
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| 12:55.22 | jasic | so, that means Ubuntu also uses the Debian kernel ? |
| 12:55.42 | Sevet | they probably base it on the debian sid one and add their own patches |
| 12:56.34 | jelly | jasic: Ubuntu has their own kernel team and a different set of patches. |
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| 12:57.08 | drhouse123 | jelly: and aptitude depends <package> doesn't work... |
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| 12:57.35 | jelly | drhouse123: doesn't work for which package? |
| 12:57.58 | jasic | oh |
| 12:58.28 | drhouse123 | libreoffice-base |
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| 12:59.29 | drhouse123 | jelly: it shows help instead |
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| 13:00.32 | drhouse123 | unknown command «depends» |
| 13:00.43 | jelly | drhouse123: perhaps aptitude does not have a "depends" action at all? |
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| 13:00.56 | drhouse123 | jelly: Oo |
| 13:01.07 | themill | why should it? |
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| 13:01.17 | ictxiangxin | how can I get mips-elf-gcc? |
| 13:01.23 | ictxiangxin | hello? |
| 13:01.26 | bezaban | drhouse123: try show |
| 13:01.44 | jelly | ictxiangxin: from emdebian, probably |
| 13:01.56 | ictxiangxin | ok, ty |
| 13:02.01 | drhouse123 | show works |
| 13:02.09 | Sevet | drhouse123: you're thinking of 'apt-cache depends $package' |
| 13:03.16 | drhouse123 | Sevet: yes |
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| 13:03.43 | abrotman | documentation is hard .. |
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| 13:06.57 | drhouse123 | so, libreoffice doesn't have gstreamer in dependencies... so there no audio in impress (as in gentoo) so after upgrading it being broken |
| 13:07.37 | drhouse123 | :( okay |
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| 13:10.54 | themill | drhouse123: not true |
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| 13:11.09 | EvilDMP | what version of Debian would you recommend for a Samsung R65 laptop, 1.66Ghz Centrino Duo 1GB RAM? |
| 13:11.25 | drhouse123 | themill: yes? serously? |
| 13:11.40 | drhouse123 | EvilDMP: debian stable with xfce |
| 13:11.54 | drhouse123 | or testing |
| 13:12.21 | drhouse123 | themill: seriously* |
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| 13:12.50 | EvilDMP | thanks drhouse123 |
| 13:13.02 | rozie | I'd use LXDE |
| 13:13.23 | drhouse123 | themill: sorry i told about sidm it works for stable |
| 13:13.30 | drhouse123 | sid* |
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| 13:15.13 | jelly | EvilDMP: the 32bit ("i386") build will eat a tiny bit less RAM than the 64bit ("amd64") installation, which might be worth it with just 1GB RAM |
| 13:15.32 | EvilDMP | jelly: but either would work, in principle? |
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| 13:16.29 | Shadur | Christ on a crutch, there are still people who use SORBS? |
| 13:16.44 | jelly | EvilDMP: probably, but best to check if there's a "lm" in the flags line of /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:17.21 | jelly | EvilDMP: I think some of the CPUs of that generation had 64bit support, some did not |
| 13:18.05 | jelly | Shadur: some people don't want mail sent to them |
| 13:18.27 | EvilDMP | jelly: it has windows xp installed now, is there some way to check? |
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| 13:19.10 | jelly | EvilDMP: dunno, that CPU-Z thing? |
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| 13:19.57 | EvilDMP | I've never used Windows so I am somewhat in the dark! |
| 13:21.05 | jelly | well, best to ask in ##windows about the right way to detect 64bit-support on XP |
| 13:21.38 | jelly | screenshots of CPU-Z seem to show EM64T when it's there |
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| 13:22.18 | Sevet | you can boot the debian installer, Alt-F2 to get a terminal |
| 13:22.20 | jelly | (that's one of Intel's names for 64bit support) |
| 13:22.21 | Sevet | and do cat from there |
| 13:22.59 | jelly | well if the 64bit installer works at all, the cpu obviously has support |
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| 13:26.01 | Sevet | jelly: well then he'll know then too ;) |
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| 13:26.59 | EvilDMP | cheers |
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| 13:35.54 | reavengrey | Yay, just fixed a longstanding problem with my sound setup |
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| 13:36.12 | reavengrey | And learned that apparently I had the wrong notion about what ALSA is |
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| 13:37.05 | gnarface | grats, reavengrey |
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| 13:37.39 | suy | In one system (workstation, debian stable) when I plug a PS3 controller it gets permissions crw-rw----+ (the '+' reveals ACLs, and getfacl says user:johndoe:rw-, so the user can open the device "out of the box"). HOWEVER, in a more minimal debian stable the ACL is not set automatically. What could be setting those permissions? |
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| 13:38.17 | suy | Or should I give up, and set up some udev rule to set other permissions? |
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| 13:39.11 | gnarface | suy: my guess would be that its udisks-daemon or something related to it |
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| 13:39.50 | suy | gnarface: some desktop-related thing should be, I guess. But is an input device. XOrg maybe? |
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| 13:40.35 | one_tkbx | Is the Virtualbox binary in the debian repos the open-source edition? |
| 13:40.53 | gnarface | suy: maybe |
| 13:41.53 | suy | one_tkbx: yes. Hint: is in "main", not "non-free". |
| 13:42.02 | one_tkbx | ah |
| 13:42.04 | one_tkbx | okay, thanks |
| 13:42.19 | suy | one_tkbx: also, I think they mostly ship only one open source one. The proprietary part managed to ship it as a plugin/extension |
| 13:42.20 | mumpitzel | one_tkbx: yes. all you need are the usb2 extensin thing from the oracle website. apart from that, vbox is always pure gpl |
| 13:43.00 | one_tkbx | according to oracle the binaries they provide aren't entirely free software? |
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| 13:45.15 | one_tkbx | oh, I read it wrong |
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| 13:55.17 | Infrid64 | hi |
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| 13:58.29 | jelly | one_tkbx: oracle's binaries are not. virtualbox in Debian is open source, DFSG compliant. |
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| 13:58.59 | themill | sort of |
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| 14:00.31 | karlpinc | Speaking of virtualization, how would one upgrade a lxc install from one debian release to another? I can't see my way through it, in the general case. |
| 14:00.32 | jelly | aight, it's not really in Debian |
| 14:00.52 | jtreminio | Morning all. I'm running apt-get update and getting this expired notice: http://pastebin.com/rHAvb25v |
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| 14:02.19 | jeep | jtreminio: is the date/time correct on your computer ? |
| 14:02.27 | one_tkbx | What's "pseudo-graphical" install? curses? |
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| 14:02.44 | karlpinc | one_tkbx: Sounds right. |
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| 14:03.18 | one_tkbx | then what's text install? manual with command line? |
| 14:03.40 | mumpitzel | one_tkbx: there nly is ncurses or graphical |
| 14:03.58 | one_tkbx | not on HURD mumpitzel |
| 14:04.23 | one_tkbx | oh |
| 14:04.24 | one_tkbx | weird |
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| 14:05.01 | one_tkbx | it's ncurses, but the mouse moves the cursor, which is just a red full-character block |
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| 14:07.07 | karlpinc | There seems no good way to upgrade the lxc containers. Any good choices sort of re-installing them? |
| 14:07.24 | one_tkbx | hurd doesn't support ext3/4 :( |
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| 14:25.28 | TaiiwoChrome | Hello |
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| 14:26.55 | TaiiwoChrome | glx-diversions is half-installed according to aptitude. I installed three versions of my propretary graphics driver, and I beleive that's what's causeing the problem. |
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| 14:28.04 | TaiiwoChrome | I'm using debian 7, and after updateing, the minor bug that used to occur seem to have escalated into a black screen on boot |
| 14:28.42 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Show us on http://paste.debian.net please, also include information about your installation and "my propretary graphics driver" and how you installed that. |
| 14:28.49 | drhouse123 | after installing gstreamer it works |
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| 14:29.07 | TaiiwoChrome | I'm using the AMD HD Radeon 6870, and the fgrlx drivers |
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| 14:29.59 | TaiiwoChrome | I first installed the drivers from the AMD website, then a modified version I found online, the finally, the version in the debian non-free repos. |
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| 14:30.14 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Okay, how did you install those drivers? What is the actual problem and how did you manage to install three versions of fglrx? Are you aware of our *supported* installation method on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ? |
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| 14:30.53 | TaiiwoChrome | The last one is the only one that worked, but it gave me the half-installed error. |
| 14:31.09 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Okay, you might forgive us but we neither recommend nor support installing the AMD versions nor whatever you installed afterwards. Are you sure that you reverted *every* change those packages did to your installation? What is the actual problem? Could you show us on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:31.12 | TaiiwoChrome | I installed the first one by running the binary file ffrom the AMD website |
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| 14:32.10 | TaiiwoChrome | Sure, but that might take a while, as I only have a root shell on my PC atm |
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| 14:32.35 | TaiiwoChrome | I did absolutely no reverting changes |
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| 14:32.42 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: IIRC their installer package breaks some symlinks and doesn't play particularly nice with our packages. You might want to ask in #ati for support on how to remove that. |
| 14:32.51 | TaiiwoChrome | I was a bit desparite, and that's obviously where the problem came from |
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| 14:33.32 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: The instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary should work perfectly (provided that your GPU is supported by the driver version wheezy) |
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| 14:33.38 | TaiiwoChrome | So you think I should just go through and try to remove all of the packages? |
| 14:33.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell TaiiwoChrome -about nopaste |
| 14:33.53 | TaiiwoChrome | I don't think they'll play nicely with that. |
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| 14:34.07 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: You should remove/undo whatever changes the amd installer and whatever third-party tool did to your system. |
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| 14:34.30 | TaiiwoChrome | Ahh |
| 14:34.33 | TaiiwoChrome | That's cool. |
| 14:34.44 | Furai | hey |
| 14:34.58 | TaiiwoChrome | That might hold problems as of the whole 'proproetary' thing :\ |
| 14:35.05 | Furai | How to with ncat test if my local machine is reachablo over imap 993? |
| 14:35.11 | TaiiwoChrome | Let me get you the paste bin... |
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| 14:36.11 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: IIRC they ship a /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh script that you should run, but that might not work anymore that you installed two other things on top of that. |
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| 14:37.01 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: But please purge/remove all fglrx packages from Debian and *then* make sure to purge the AMD ones and whatever third-party package you installed in the interim. #ati can probably walk you through the removal of the catalyst driver. |
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| 14:37.27 | jelly | Furai: you'll want to use an ssl-aware client if you want to talk IMAP |
| 14:37.31 | TaiiwoChrome | It won't let me remove glx-diversions |
| 14:37.35 | jelly | Furai: eg. openssl s_client -connect localhost:993 |
| 14:37.47 | TaiiwoChrome | http://pastie.org/8426998 |
| 14:38.50 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Okay, run "dpkg --configure -a" and show us that. |
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| 14:39.06 | TaiiwoChrome | Okay |
| 14:39.41 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: But you probably want to make sure that you have a functioning glx-alternative-mesa installed when purging fglrx. |
| 14:39.43 | TaiiwoChrome | It gives no output |
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| 14:41.01 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Okay, that's fine. Anything from "aptitude search '~b'" ? What about "aptitude search '~i~nfglrx'" ? |
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| 14:42.31 | ictxiangxin | what is cpp0 |
| 14:42.33 | ictxiangxin | ? |
| 14:42.43 | babilen | ictxiangxin: context? |
| 14:43.15 | lapache | Hello, after changing the kernel, my ld-xx.so causes segfaults. I don't understand |
| 14:43.15 | TaiiwoChrome | Both of those give me the help screen (So I guess it's not recognised) |
| 14:43.44 | TaiiwoChrome | I did try it with and without the "'" |
| 14:43.49 | ictxiangxin | I cross compile software |
| 14:43.52 | babilen | lapache: Changing it from what to what? Could you provide additional information? Are you on wheezy? |
| 14:44.07 | ictxiangxin | mips, but is say can not exec "cpp0" |
| 14:44.21 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: They shouldn't. Are you sure that you type '~' as tilde? |
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| 14:44.59 | TaiiwoChrome | An hyphon? |
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| 14:45.20 | TaiiwoChrome | I know tilde as '`' |
| 14:45.23 | lapache | babilen, I think it is a generic problem it was a 2.6.18-348.el5 to 3.2.0-4 |
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| 14:46.15 | petern_ | Redhat kernel...? o_O |
| 14:46.38 | babilen | lapache: That doesn't really sound like a Debian kernel nor like a supported upgrade. Are you on some virtual box that used a specific kernel provided by your hoster? |
| 14:47.04 | babilen | lapache: You are aware that this is #debian, aren't you? |
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| 14:47.21 | jhutchins | babilen: el5 will be RedHat/Fedora (RHEL). |
| 14:47.21 | TaiiwoChrome | Oh, you mean ~ |
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| 14:47.53 | SebTM_ | hi |
| 14:47.53 | babilen | jhutchins: yes, but that might simply be some virtual machine that is tied to the hosts kernel |
| 14:47.56 | lapache | yes you right, i want to paravirtualize a centos host to a xen DomU (wheezy hypervisor) using pygrub ... |
| 14:48.23 | SebTM_ | Question: Is it a Problem to make a time sync every night at 3 am on a Server? |
| 14:48.27 | TaiiwoChrome | Okay |
| 14:48.27 | babilen | lapache: So, what does that have to do with Debian? (your problem with centos that is) |
| 14:48.30 | TaiiwoChrome | That worked |
| 14:48.48 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Please use a better font :) |
| 14:48.48 | TaiiwoChrome | http://pastie.org/8427025 |
| 14:48.55 | jhutchins | SebTM_: I don't know why it would be, but you might want to investigate ntp as a better strategy. |
| 14:48.57 | TaiiwoChrome | Haha |
| 14:49.10 | lapache | babilen, i think it is a generic linux question, and u are more reactive than centos helpers =) Could u help me ? |
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| 14:49.29 | petern_ | ~ is a tilde, ` is not a tilde, but is in the same place on the keyboard as some keyboard layouts put ~ |
| 14:49.37 | SebTM_ | jhutchins: I heard that it could break sth if there is an offset so i'm unsure ... whats the differences between ntpdate and ntp? |
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| 14:50.13 | TaiiwoChrome | It wikipedia says '~' is a tilde |
| 14:50.17 | TaiiwoChrome | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde |
| 14:50.29 | petern_ | Yes, ~ |
| 14:50.30 | petern_ | o_O |
| 14:50.34 | TaiiwoChrome | wat |
| 14:50.46 | TaiiwoChrome | - != ~ |
| 14:51.10 | petern_ | Yeah, as babilen said, get a better font :-) |
| 14:51.11 | mtn | now this is a good conversation ;) |
| 14:51.21 | babilen | mtn: it is? |
| 14:51.37 | mtn | babilen: you don't think so? |
| 14:51.39 | petern_ | SebTM_, ntpdate does a one-off sync. ntp runs all the time. |
| 14:52.02 | babilen | lapache: No, we support Debian and *only* Debian and its users in here. If you have problems with centos then ask #centos. |
| 14:52.31 | babilen | lapache: If you are looking for distribution agnostic support take it to ##linux, but this channel is for #debian. (##linux is excellent) |
| 14:52.34 | jelly | lapache: there is a ##linux channel for generic linux questions |
| 14:52.38 | SebTM_ | petern_: i alwayse thought ntp were an timeserver :O |
| 14:52.46 | TaiiwoChrome | So anyway, back to fixing my graphics drivers :P |
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| 14:52.55 | SebTM_ | So only installing "ntp" package and everything is fine? |
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| 14:53.03 | jelly | SebTM_: and a time server needs to keep its own time correct :-) |
| 14:53.04 | petern_ | SebTM_, yes, it runs both ways, as a client and a server. |
| 14:53.09 | lapache | jelly, babilen , nice i understand thank you |
| 14:53.14 | SebTM_ | jelly: ... ok ^^ |
| 14:53.20 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: yes, I am still waiting for the output of "aptitude search '~i~nfglrx'" |
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| 14:53.37 | TaiiwoChrome | It did something, but never output anything |
| 14:53.44 | mumpitzel | SebTM_: i run ntpdate pool.ntp.org once before I start ntp for the first time. if the difference from real time to your time is too big, ntp can get confused |
| 14:53.45 | TaiiwoChrome | Sorry, I should have said that. |
| 14:53.53 | mumpitzel | from then on it's maintenance free however |
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| 14:53.59 | bezaban | ntpd -q will mimic ntpdate |
| 14:54.19 | TaiiwoChrome | In aptitude fashion, it flashed some text, then disappeared. |
| 14:54.34 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: Okay, continue removing the *other* drivers with the uninstall script. Ask in #ati for help with that and then come back. You might want to reinstall the xorg packages and hope that that step works out. |
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| 14:56.30 | babilen | TaiiwoChrome: A suitable set of packages to reinstall comprises at least "glx-alternative-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core" and probably "xserver-xorg-video-radeon". You might also want to make sure that firmware-linux-nonfree is installed and that you remove *any* /etc/X11/xorg.conf (which has been obsoleted for a while now) or fglrx configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 14:57.42 | TaiiwoChrome | Okay, thankyou :) |
| 14:57.43 | SebTM | is there a logfile for "ntp" where i can see that he checks it? |
| 14:57.58 | jhutchins | SebTM: One of the advantages of ntp (Network Time Protocol) is that tracks updates to your clock and attempts to adjust the clock frequency to keep the time closer to true time. |
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| 14:58.25 | jhutchins | SebTM: It logs to the daemon and syslog files I believe. |
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| 14:58.34 | SebTM | jhutchins: thx |
| 14:58.42 | jhutchins | !ntp |
| 14:58.44 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 14:59.22 | SebTM | jhutchins: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Uhrzeit_synchronisieren_mit_NTP - do you think this tutorial will work? |
| 14:59.33 | jhutchins | Somewhere I have a script that polls your local routers, which usually run NTP, to give you the best servers with the least lag... |
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| 15:00.08 | jhutchins | SebTM: Probably. I don't know if they have translations at ntp.org, but it's a good source for information on the system. |
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| 15:03.36 | linux-fox | i am going to build a irc server in my private network , which irc server software shoud i use? |
| 15:03.52 | petern_ | Which ever one you like. |
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| 15:06.18 | Sevet | !tell linux-fox about ircd |
| 15:06.45 | Sevet | that factoid has 3 suggestions, but as petern_ says whichever you like |
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| 15:09.04 | linux-fox | thank you |
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| 15:10.26 | babilen | linux-fox: fwiw, dancer has been removed and oftc is running on hybrid. There are a couple of other packages that come up when you run "apt-cache policy ircd" and you might want to look into those too. |
| 15:11.25 | mintux | i have debian 7 on my vps i can not empty my memory cache because my linux is on VPS (based on openvz) and i when i run echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches i get -bash: /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches: Permission denied and when cache is full my free memory is zero and some bash script or another program doesn't work how can i limit or disable memory caching in linux ?when my cache is full not memory but when i run apt-get install <something> it's jump out |
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| 15:12.14 | Sevet | mintux: no free memory because of cache is *not* an error on linux |
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| 15:12.32 | Sevet | empty memory is wasted memory. the memory used for caches is released instantly if a program requires that memory. |
| 15:12.43 | mintux | Sevet: but when i stopped mysql and 400 mb free then all of programs jump out works |
| 15:12.48 | linux-fox | babilen: what about ircd-hybrid? |
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| 15:13.10 | mumpitzel | mintux: you don't have root on your linux. your kernel is totally off limits so you can't do anything in /proc except look |
| 15:13.16 | Sevet | define "doesn't work" - perhaps it's something else like high cpu usage? |
| 15:13.31 | mumpitzel | mintux: you need to run your own kernel to be able to change anything there |
| 15:13.38 | babilen | linux-fox: oftc is running on hybrid, what else can I say? |
| 15:13.45 | mintux | not when i do soemthing that memory will free everything is work |
| 15:14.11 | mintux | mumpitzel: so what should i do ? contact to datacenter ? |
| 15:14.15 | mumpitzel | mintux: you cannot manage your chace since you have no access to the kernel. can not |
| 15:14.32 | Sevet | mintux: explain what you mean by "doesn't work" |
| 15:14.39 | mumpitzel | mintux: use less repositories in your sources.list? |
| 15:14.40 | linux-fox | babilen : is hybrid a free software? can i find it in debian repo? |
| 15:15.23 | Sevet | mumpitzel: what does sources.list have to do with his question? |
| 15:15.23 | mintux | Sevet: ok let met install a software using apt-get and copy paste error . also i have a bash script that when i run it after some minutes it's jump out |
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| 15:18.45 | mintux | Sevet # apt-get install lftp youtube-dl htop curl netcat irssi |
| 15:18.45 | mintux | Segmentation faultsts... 0% |
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| 15:18.59 | Sevet | segmentation fault isn't a memory error |
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| 15:19.12 | mintux | no but when i free memory then it work |
| 15:19.16 | Sevet | or rather,, it's not an out of memory error |
| 15:19.31 | mintux | lets test i stop mysql |
| 15:19.49 | mintux | its my memory: Mem: 1024 1022 1 0 0 1012 |
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| 15:20.09 | mintux | oh fuuny |
| 15:20.18 | mintux | i can not stop mysql because |
| 15:20.27 | mintux | /etc/init.d/mysql: fork: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 15:20.43 | mintux | so killall mysql |
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| 15:20.54 | jelly | 1MiB memory? Sounds like a horrible lie |
| 15:20.59 | Sevet | do you have any swap? also i wonder if your vps host is limiting your memory |
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| 15:21.20 | mintux | it's from http://www.interserver.net/vps/home.php |
| 15:21.36 | SebTM | sorry my internet was broken - ntpd[17595]: unable to bind to wildcard address 0.0.0.0 - another process may be running - EXITING |
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| 15:21.40 | SebTM | can you help me how to fixß |
| 15:21.47 | mintux | http://codepad.org/PBRqz9Pa |
| 15:21.48 | petern_ | I hope that was free -m |
| 15:21.52 | jelly | $6 for openvz? Expensive |
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| 15:21.59 | jelly | hides |
| 15:22.03 | d3sync | if it's openvz then ul :P |
| 15:22.03 | mintux | it's memory and swap |
| 15:22.29 | mintux | Sevet: i can give you my login of my server |
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| 15:22.57 | Sevet | i'd ask your host, i suspect they're enforcing memory limits in your openvz jail that're causing the problem |
| 15:23.18 | d3sync | it's most likely because of the openvz |
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| 15:23.38 | d3sync | limits on RAM are enforced hard |
| 15:24.01 | d3sync | u can try rebooting ur container |
| 15:24.03 | Sevet | as far as mysql goes you can force it to die with kill, and you can tweak it's memory so its leaving more for other stuff |
| 15:24.14 | jelly | mintux: if you want to try killall or pkill, the process name is "mysqld" not "mysql" |
| 15:24.14 | Sevet | if you're on a 512mb slice and mysqld is using 400ms that's not much left for everything else |
| 15:24.26 | mintux | the point is i can renistall os and everything you can imagine with my panel also increase hdd and ram without rebooting within panel |
| 15:24.51 | mintux | jelly: yes i kill but it doesn't fix my whole of problem |
| 15:25.07 | mintux | Sevet: i increase to slice 2 |
| 15:25.11 | mintux | but now |
| 15:25.21 | mintux | 1006 mb is cached |
| 15:25.32 | d3sync | mintux: there is a bug @ openvz that maxes out ur ram |
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| 15:25.38 | mintux | hmm |
| 15:25.42 | d3sync | not sure if it's an exploit |
| 15:25.43 | mintux | so i should ticket |
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| 15:26.24 | EvilDMP | I have "Firmware missing" according to my wireless network settings - how do I find out exactly what is missing? |
| 15:26.25 | d3sync | i had the same issue i wasnt even able to log through ssh cause the system terminated services |
| 15:26.26 | Sevet | forget the cache, that's probably on the host not your vm and completely outside your control |
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| 15:26.53 | mintux | alright |
| 15:26.56 | Sevet | EvilDMP: probably in package linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 15:26.56 | d3sync | submit a ticket with ur hosting provider |
| 15:27.02 | mintux | so i send a ticket |
| 15:27.05 | d3sync | and hope it will be sorted out quickly |
| 15:27.12 | d3sync | otherwise re-install if u have a backup |
| 15:27.15 | Sevet | EvilDMP: if not identify your card with lspci and search wiki.debian.org |
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| 15:28.51 | jelly | EvilDMP: can you paste the full "lspci -nn" line for your wireless card? |
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| 15:29.19 | mintux | d3sync: it's my control panel i can do anything http://www.axgig.com/images/26060924076712070454.jpg another where i face to these problems |
| 15:30.15 | d3sync | ok so u can make a backup of ur files without hassle i would go ahead and grab a backup and make a fresh install if i was in a hurry |
| 15:30.42 | EvilDMP | Sevet: I can't paste, it's on another machine, but it seems to be the wireless 3945 family firmware that I need |
| 15:31.01 | mintux | i install everything included OS few hours ago after increase my ram |
| 15:31.19 | Sevet | possibly install firmware-iwlwifi, https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy |
| 15:31.31 | EvilDMP | Sevet: yes it seems so thanks |
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| 15:35.47 | EvilDMP | thanks Sevet got it |
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| 15:38.22 | ExeciN | NetworkManager is popping a notification every couple of seconds that "the network connection has been disconnected" and after a while it gets connected again (I am lucky I have an IRC bouncer) What is wrong, how can I fix it? |
| 15:39.03 | reavengrey | in my case I have a crappy router, so my solution is "throw away the router" |
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| 15:39.38 | babilen | ExeciN: You might like to use mosh: http://mosh.mit.edu/#techinfo |
| 15:39.58 | babilen | (not that that would fix your issue, but it would make it easier to endure the symptoms) |
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| 15:40.13 | jeep | ExeciN: try wicd sometimes itbetter but i would suggest a newer kernel .. probaly bugs in your wifi module |
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| 15:42.08 | g105b | how do I tell what gpu is installed? |
| 15:42.33 | jeep | g105b: lspci |
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| 15:43.19 | g105b | thanks |
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| 16:03.30 | ExeciN | NetworkManager joins my network and a bit later fails. This is done over and over again. What is wrong? Here is the last bit of my daemon.log http://pastebin.com/4ixEnMg1 |
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| 16:07.06 | rendar | sometimes something crashes (dunno what) but my system remain without proper connection, if i type 'route' the default route gatway is vanished, and the only solution is to reboot -- what else can i do for this annoying thing?how to solve? |
| 16:08.19 | jhutchins | rendar: restart the network rather than reboot. |
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| 16:08.57 | rendar | jhutchins, you mean /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 16:09.27 | ScottE | ExeciN: a it looks to me like your network device is disconnecting when ipv6 configuration times out. |
| 16:09.39 | jhutchins | rendar: You can try that. It won't start interfaces marked allow-hotplug. If you have interfaces in Network-Manager use that instead. |
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| 16:10.06 | jhutchins | ExeciN: Disable ipv6, and maybe power cycle the router if you can. |
| 16:10.11 | rendar | jhutchins, how? |
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| 16:10.37 | ExeciN | How can I disable ipv6? My ISP doesn't support it anyway |
| 16:10.47 | consumerism | i'm about to install postgis on my wheezy server. to my surprise, it depends on a bunch of fonts among other things: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FnTVEabH wtf? i am already using --no-install-recommends, how can i get apt-get to quit this nonsense and just install postgis without these "dependencies"? it's a headless server, i don't need fonts |
| 16:11.16 | jhutchins | !tell rendar about network manager |
| 16:11.23 | ScottE | ExeciN: there are several ways, but maybe the easiest is just do it in your network manager UI |
| 16:11.42 | ScottE | Go to the ipv6 tab tab |
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| 16:12.09 | ExeciN | nevermind I found what was causing the problem in NetworkManager. I now have a WiFi connection for more than 19 seconds |
| 16:12.49 | jhutchins | ExeciN: What was it? Maybe rendar has the same problem. |
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| 16:13.13 | deepy | consumerism: the fonts are likely a dependency of a dependency, is it really problematic to install them? |
| 16:13.36 | consumerism | deepy: it's just unnecessary as this is a headless server. why should i ever install fonts |
| 16:13.37 | jhutchins | deepy: Why would you install a bunch of GUI fonts on a server? |
| 16:13.39 | pankid | is there any initiative to make a less intensive way to install proprietary video drivers in debian? I think it may be the one thing that is actually easier in arch than in debian. |
| 16:14.05 | deepy | jhutchins: for drawing? |
| 16:14.06 | jhutchins | consumerism: If you can track down which package has the dependency you might want to file a packaging bug. |
| 16:14.19 | jhutchins | deepy: Fonts are rendered on and by the client. |
| 16:14.21 | ExeciN | ScottE, jhutchins: thanks! I had "Require IPv6 addressing for this connection to be complete" checked. I thought I checked the IPv4 checkbox instead |
| 16:14.32 | rendar | jhutchins, it seems i don't have it installed! apt-get install network-manager ? |
| 16:14.46 | deepy | jhutchins: not if you generate images :-) |
| 16:14.58 | jhutchins | ExeciN: That's probably a default. Upper-level developers want to shove IPv6 down everybody's throat. |
| 16:14.59 | ScottE | Great ExeciN, glad it's working now |
| 16:15.27 | jhutchins | rendar: If you don't have it installed it's proably not what's causing the problem. |
| 16:15.47 | ExeciN | jhutchins: No it was unchecked by default. I wanted to "not enforce" IPv6 but I checked the wrong checkbox |
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| 16:16.07 | rendar | jhutchins, no wait, my fault, it is installed, its just that i can't launch its frontend from the command line |
| 16:16.26 | jhutchins | rendar: You might look at your logs and see if you can tell what it's doing. If you need to paste something, READ IT FIRST, and please use paste.debian.net. |
| 16:16.51 | rendar | and ps aux|grep net gives me only [netns] |
| 16:16.57 | rendar | and not the network-manager daemon |
| 16:17.02 | jhutchins | rendar: Yeah, there used to be a curses front end but it was dropped. |
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| 16:18.12 | rendar | jhutchins, is that normal that network manager daemon is not running? |
| 16:18.18 | rendar | or btw, i can't see it with ps aux |
| 16:19.09 | babilen | rendar: You might want to install network-manager-gnome if you want nm-applet btw |
| 16:19.41 | rendar | babilen, it appears to be installed according to apt-get, but i can't find the executable |
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| 16:20.20 | rendar | i have only `network-admin' as executable that starts with netowork* |
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| 16:20.37 | babilen | rendar: That would be "nm-applet" for the applet. You might want to run "service network-manager start" before that though. Which DE/WM are you using? |
| 16:20.58 | rendar | babilen, oh i see |
| 16:21.09 | rendar | babilen, it says that an instance of nm-apple is already running |
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| 16:21.25 | babilen | rendar: Are you using a desktop environment or window manager? |
| 16:21.30 | rendar | gnome |
| 16:21.37 | babilen | rendar: On wheezy? |
| 16:22.08 | rendar | yeah |
| 16:22.20 | babilen | rendar: Do you have something like http://dors.frugalware.org/blogengine/image.axd?picture=2011%2F3%2Fgnome-shell-nm.png ? |
| 16:22.23 | rendar | nm-applet ver 0.8.1 |
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| 16:22.43 | rendar | still gnome 2.x |
| 16:23.02 | babilen | Wheezy doesn't ship Gnome2. |
| 16:23.12 | rendar | gnome 2.30.2 |
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| 16:23.41 | babilen | rendar: That version is not in wheezy. May I see the output of "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome gnome" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 16:24.16 | babilen | rendar: You might also want to upload to screenshot so I can verify if you have the applet or not. |
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| 16:24.38 | rendar | http://nopaste.info/ad6c415349.html |
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| 16:25.03 | babilen | rendar: Ah, you are running Squeeze not Wheezy (the current stable release) |
| 16:25.03 | rendar | babilen, yes i have the applet, i can see the About dialog |
| 16:25.10 | rendar | ops, yeah, right |
| 16:25.13 | babilen | rendar: So .. you have it! |
| 16:25.39 | rendar | babilen, its because of squeeze that i'm still having gnome 2.x? |
| 16:25.50 | babilen | rendar: I would strongly recommend to plan upgrading to wheeze rather sooner than later. See "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for pointers and read the release notes! |
| 16:26.06 | rendar | babilen, thanks |
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| 16:26.19 | babilen | rendar: Yes, squeeze ships that version of Gnome while wheezy ships 3.4 |
| 16:26.31 | rendar | babilen, how much data it'll require to download (more or less) to do that upload? |
| 16:26.34 | rendar | upgrade* |
| 16:27.04 | gbit | What is the best way to access a debian gnome using a client? Nomachine? VNC? It is possible by ltsp? |
| 16:27.40 | babilen | That really depends on what you have installed right now, but the upgrade procedure contains a check for that and you'll find out. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#sufficient-space for information about that |
| 16:28.09 | rendar | babilen, thanks |
| 16:28.27 | rendar | babilen, iirc debian ships with 3 versions, stable, unstable and experimental, squeeze is stable, wheezy is unstable? |
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| 16:29.05 | babilen | rendar: squeeze is oldstable (the previous stable release), wheezy is stable, jessie is testing and sid is unstable. sid will always be the name of the unstable release. |
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| 16:29.47 | rendar | babilen, oh, not i got that, thanks man |
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| 16:30.05 | babilen | rendar: Which is exactly why I recommend to upgrade to wheezy. It is the current stable release and we will drop security support for Squeeze in May 2014. |
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| 16:30.16 | rendar | babilen, ok |
| 16:31.01 | reavengrey | in my case I have a crappy router, so my solution is "throw away the router" |
| 16:31.03 | babilen | rendar: If you prefer to read the instructions in Italian see: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.it.html |
| 16:31.51 | rendar | babilen, the bot just says me to change 'suqeeze' to 'wheezy' in the source.lst, and doing apt-get upgrade and other commands, is that all? |
| 16:32.03 | rendar | babilen, oh, thank you man, very kind! |
| 16:32.49 | babilen | rendar: Those are the "short instructions" .. I would recommend to follow those in the release notes as they cover a lot more cases and will be a better guide. |
| 16:32.54 | rendar | ok |
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| 16:36.35 | ghost75 | is bluez 4.99 still unusable? |
| 16:36.46 | ghost75 | after pairing device it is not connected |
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| 16:38.12 | jhutchins | ,versions bluez |
| 16:38.13 | judd | Package: bluez on i386 -- squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 4.101-3; sid: 4.101-3; experimental: 5.5-1~exp1 |
| 16:38.42 | jhutchins | ghost75: I've had it working on lenny and squeeze. Might be hardware dependent. |
| 16:39.04 | ghost75 | was already not working under squeeze |
| 16:39.28 | ghost75 | i read 5 should be much better |
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| 16:40.15 | ghost75 | That is how it is supposed to look. It always says "paired but not connected", because there is no system driver that supports the controller. |
| 16:40.17 | ghost75 | hmmm |
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| 16:40.53 | ghost75 | but btusb is loaded |
| 16:40.57 | usrnix | Hi, debian-edu torrents? |
| 16:41.24 | babilen | usrnix: I don't think that torrent files idle on IRC |
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| 16:42.52 | usrnix | babilen: Was just asking if there were any for it hosted by debian |
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| 16:43.17 | babilen | usrnix: There is also #skolelinux on irc.oftc.net ; not sure if they offer torrent files, but you can take a look at http://www.skolelinux.org/downloads too! |
| 16:43.44 | ghost75 | lol i can even ping bluetooth device |
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| 16:44.24 | zhr0 | anybody could do me a copy paste of the correct apt sources list? |
| 16:44.41 | zhr0 | us based |
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| 16:45.03 | jhutchins | usrnix: I would think that direct download would work better. debian-edu is not likely to be very active as a torrent. |
| 16:45.16 | jhutchins | zhr0: Which release? |
| 16:45.29 | zhr0 | debian 7 wheezzy lastest |
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| 16:45.34 | zhr0 | 64bit |
| 16:45.39 | jhutchins | !wheezy sources-list |
| 16:45.48 | jhutchins | !wheezy sources.list |
| 16:45.50 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:46.23 | zhr0 | thanks |
| 16:46.49 | usrnix | jhutchins: I guess not, I thought I might seed it if there was one |
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| 16:51.03 | jhutchins | usrnix: Torrents are bests when something is new and popular and a lot of people are downloading it. For something that's already been pretty well distributed a direct download is going to work better. |
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| 16:52.22 | BackEndCoder | jhutchins, you need to use a better site bro |
| 16:53.18 | ghost75 | jhutchins? |
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| 16:53.52 | ghost75 | with rfcomm command i can connect but it waits with "CTRL-C for hangup" |
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| 16:53.55 | jhutchins | Yah, 'cause torrents are all cool and leet. |
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| 16:54.38 | usrnix | jhutchins: yea work better but I still do it for stuff like debian cds just because plenty prefer the bittorrent option I guess |
| 16:55.13 | BackEndCoder | you will get super fast download times with debian cd's |
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| 16:55.17 | BackEndCoder | cause i seed those |
| 16:55.22 | ghost75 | how can i prevent rfcomm command bringing this hangup message? |
| 16:55.34 | jhutchins | usrnix: Frankly some people just don't know any better. Stuff that's recent and current, yeah, it works better. |
| 16:55.55 | jhutchins | Some distributions absolutely kill the servers when there's a new release. Torrents are great then. |
| 16:56.05 | usrnix | jhutchins: yea i know, but still; also works nicely for smaller projects that are already using plenty of bandwidth |
| 16:56.11 | jhutchins | Debian's usually pretty responsive even on release day. |
| 16:56.18 | BackEndCoder | it seems like debian isnb't activly advertising the torrent links anymore |
| 16:56.19 | BackEndCoder | thats a shame |
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| 16:56.35 | zhr0 | jhutchins, if i add deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free do i need new line equal with main just? |
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| 16:56.40 | ghost75 | http://paste.debian.net/61286/ |
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| 16:56.48 | usrnix | BackEndCoder: Doesn't matter too much if they aren't having any issues, I just do it where I can incase it's used a lot |
| 16:56.57 | jhutchins | zhr0: main contrib non-free can all go on the same line. |
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| 16:57.15 | zhr0 | so he does main and non free in a single line |
| 16:57.15 | jhutchins | zhr0: you only need different lines for different servers. |
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| 16:57.22 | zhr0 | ah ok |
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| 16:58.28 | zhr0 | now i get this right ;) |
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| 17:02.59 | anonnumberanon | I need help. |
| 17:03.03 | gchristensen | me too :( |
| 17:03.11 | anonnumberanon | lol what was your problenm? |
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| 17:04.07 | gchristensen | anonnumberanon: its beyond #debian :) don't ask to ask. just ask your question. |
| 17:04.44 | anonnumberanon | Oh lol I thought I was in the presence of another noob>\ |
| 17:05.34 | anonnumberanon | I just realized I didn't google my problem before asking... |
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| 17:07.25 | anonnumberanon | I might have done booboo on my X11 config added 2 lines for my trackpad. (In the 50-Synaptics.. config file) |
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| 17:07.50 | anonnumberanon | I can't turn logg off so I'll try to shutdown -h |
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| 17:09.20 | Jonuz | I updated xorg and now xserver wont open.. |
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| 17:09.24 | Jonuz | Any ideas |
| 17:09.26 | Jonuz | ? |
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| 17:10.45 | mtn | !ask |
| 17:10.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:11.56 | anonnumberanon | Well it turned off but my trackpad still doesn't tap :( |
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| 17:12.04 | anonnumberanon | gonna check the conf file |
| 17:12.22 | Jonuz | X server wont start after I updated debian updates, debian 7.2. I can start debian in recover mode in terminal, but xorg wont work, I tried also startx in recover mode but it wont help, I can only see black screen |
| 17:12.41 | anonnumberanon | maybe because i didnt sudo nano instead of nano the conf file |
| 17:12.51 | mtn | Jonuz: what video drivers are you using? |
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| 17:13.51 | Jonuz | Dunno, some 3rd from nvidia if I remember correct |
| 17:14.21 | mtn | Jonuz: might want to reinstall them. that might be the issue. do you have any sources other than wheezy in your sources.list? |
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| 17:17.05 | anonnumberanon | damn it that 50-synaptics.conf edit does not work :( |
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| 17:19.24 | xrq | has anyone here installed debian on the nexus 7 retina that can say how well bluetooth and wifi are supported on the device? |
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| 17:21.10 | mumpitzel | Sevet: I'm not totally clear about his question but afaik he complained about too high memory consumption with apt? if so, less repos means less stuff to load into memory |
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| 17:24.51 | Jonuz | How do I remove those 3rd drivers?:D |
| 17:25.04 | Jonuz | xorg.conf?:-D |
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| 17:25.28 | mumpitzel | Jonuz: reinstall your nvidia drivers. prfereably from the debian repos |
| 17:25.32 | mumpitzel | !tell Jonuz about nvidia dkms |
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| 17:28.33 | j7j3 | experimental repo: nvidia drivers updated today but libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 is still @ 325.15-4, any reason for this? |
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| 17:29.14 | mumpitzel | it's experimental. if there are no severe bugs, it's not in experimental in the first place |
| 17:29.24 | mumpitzel | stuff there is stuff the maintainer knows and thinks is buggy |
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| 17:30.11 | j7j3 | understand that just strange that everything is updated apart from that one .deb |
| 17:30.30 | j7j3 | no biggie, i'll hang fire |
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| 17:31.11 | KBme | hello |
| 17:31.26 | KBme | can anyone tell me of a command that will show all packages available from a repository? |
| 17:31.42 | KBme | i'd like to, for example, list all packages available from backports |
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| 17:33.34 | mumpitzel | !tell KBme about which repo |
| 17:34.21 | KBme | thanks |
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| 17:42.35 | ArchDuke | I've been offered the opportunity to help my University put a little cluster together. We have decided to use Debian and open MPI. I am largely unfamiliar with what MPI would be best to use. Are there any particular resources I should make myself familair with in order to best serve this opportunity? |
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| 17:47.09 | qbert_8 | having issues getting simple scan to work with debian jessie. Printing works fine. Used to work in wheezy automatically if I had hplip installed, which I do in Jessie. Can someone point me in the right direction to diagnose the problem |
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| 17:53.01 | fairiestoy | hello guys. I have a little problem with my Samsung netbook n455 running debian with gnome. I already tried the xbacklight tool and to manipulate the brightness files manually, but for some reason my backlight is not adjustable. And google did not came up with more solutions as far as i could see. Would be nice if someone can point me to a possible *way* to the solution. Not a ready-to-go solution, but at least the way i should se |
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| 17:56.45 | jelly-home | fairiestoy: you can always try to pick a newer kernel from wheezy-backports and see if backlight control magically appear |
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| 17:56.57 | jelly-home | or magically start working |
| 17:57.04 | ghost75 | [3277048.800037] TCP: Peer 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:ffff:bcc1:c972:55129/80 unexpectedly shrunk window 3778053431:3778061919 (repaired) |
| 17:57.04 | ghost75 | <- wth? |
| 17:57.19 | jelly-home | ghost75: that's normal, ignore it |
| 17:57.21 | fairiestoy | jelly-home: Alright, i try it out. Thanks |
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| 17:57.30 | ghost75 | where is this coming? |
| 17:57.33 | well_laid_lawn | I have to have a couple of kernel boot options to have the backlight adjustable |
| 17:57.35 | jelly-home | from. |
| 17:58.06 | ghost75 | apache? |
| 17:58.24 | fairiestoy | well_laid_lawn: Something like this in grub? : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_backlight=vendor" just stumbled over it |
| 17:58.29 | Guest77844 | The flash plugin stopped working, It was working perfectly for 5 months now it just stopped working, although it was installed on by default, it isn't loading up things that use flash now? I mean, it isn't loading up flash-stuff, so it isn't working, how can I solve this? |
| 17:58.59 | well_laid_lawn | fairiestoy: yep but I need acpi_osi=Linux as well |
| 17:59.07 | jelly-home | ghost75: np, the kernel. it can be any tcp session, but it's often from some slightly misbehaving remote tcp clients accessing a tcp service of yours, like apache |
| 17:59.12 | jelly-home | no* |
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| 18:00.34 | ghost75 | maybe they use too small tcp window size |
| 18:00.36 | fairiestoy | well_laid_lawn: So adding this to the boot helped in your case? |
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| 18:03.53 | well_laid_lawn | fairiestoy: yes, and it made the Fn keys work too, mostly |
| 18:04.05 | well_laid_lawn | the audio keys aren't working yet |
| 18:04.56 | jelly-home | well_laid_lawn: why do you need acpi_osi enforcing? |
| 18:05.18 | jelly-home | oh |
| 18:05.31 | well_laid_lawn | jelly-home: it was the only thing that enabled adjusting of the backlight brightness |
| 18:05.32 | fairiestoy | jelly-home: Is something wrong setting that option? |
| 18:05.42 | fairiestoy | *with setting ... my bad |
| 18:06.16 | well_laid_lawn | there's nothing wrong with using those boot options, if they work for you |
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| 18:06.46 | jelly-home | fairiestoy: it's an ugly workaround and ACPI BIOSes enable more stuff when they're told the OS is a Windows one (Linux kernel pretends it's Windows by default) |
| 18:07.21 | jelly-home | typically, a newer kernel might have more quirks built in so things "just work" |
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| 18:08.49 | fairiestoy | I see. So taking the newer kernel might solve the problem and also keeps things small, did i get that right? |
| 18:09.02 | qbert_8 | Ok - I have gotten simple scan to work by installing the wheezy kernel in debian jessie. With wheezy kernel simple scan automatically detects my hp wireless printer/scanner as long as hplip is installed. With Jessie kernel 3.10 it just hangs. Is this something I should file a bug report on - or can someone tell me if it already exists? |
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| 18:09.55 | qbert_8 | my guess is this is something with the hplip driver that works in the old kernel and not the new? |
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| 18:11.34 | oo_miguel | I want to install debian on my laptop that shipped with win 7 |
| 18:11.44 | jhutchins | qbert_8: You might want to try xsane. |
| 18:12.03 | oo_miguel | should it be sufficient to leave the win7 rescue partition alone, in order to be able to restore to factory settings someday |
| 18:12.03 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: Ok. |
| 18:12.11 | oo_miguel | I am aware this is not a debian related question |
| 18:12.22 | oo_miguel | but maybe somedbody here is willing to tell me |
| 18:12.23 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: Shall we assume it doesn't have SecureBoot or UEFI? |
| 18:13.10 | oo_miguel | yes assume that |
| 18:13.22 | qbert_8 | jhutchins - I got simple-scan to work fine by booting into the wheezy kernel so at the moment I got it working. I'm just wondering if I should report this as a bug. Booting newer kernel hangs while simple scan tries to find scanner. |
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| 18:14.41 | bbtech_ | I'm trying to install a package and I'm getting a dependency issue related to java. Can someone help me decide what to do? Here is the message: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A7qSk7vZ |
| 18:14.55 | jned | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A7qSk7vZ |
| 18:14.57 | bbtech_ | It says it depends on java which is installed via icedtea |
| 18:15.56 | bbtech_ | The yuuguu package that it is complaining about is working perfectly |
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| 18:17.00 | peterrooney_ | ,versions yuuguu |
| 18:17.01 | judd | No package named 'yuuguu' was found in i386. |
| 18:17.22 | bbtech_ | I installed that via a *.deb file |
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| 18:18.02 | peterrooney_ | bbtech_: it might help to explicitly choose which version of openjdk you want. |
| 18:19.59 | Primer | It seems that my Debian squeeze (6.0.8, dist-upgraded yesterday) has grub2 in the MBR, but update-grub generates a grub1 config file. I can't find anything regarding this problem. Anyone know what the correct solution for this is? The bottom line is it boots to a grub shell, and if I do configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg, it complains that the file has invalid directives |
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| 18:20.40 | qbert_8 | anyone know how to change the order in which kernels appear in grub? I realize I can choose which one to boot first by setting which number to boot in grub.conf, but I want to change the order in which they appear on boot |
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| 18:21.10 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, I'm confused by openjdk vs icedtea. I have the following installed: icedtea-7-jre-jamvm, icedtea-6-jre-jamvm, openjdk-6-jdk, openjdk-6-jre, openjdk-7-jdk, openjdk-7-jre |
| 18:21.22 | qbert_8 | basically I want to boot with wheezy kernel at top - as for the moment it is more stable for several pieces of my hardware |
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| 18:22.01 | jackyfinn | How do I make Gnash work? I installed it, but it isn't showing up in plugins list. |
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| 18:24.21 | jhutchins | jackyfinn: Did you install the plugin? |
| 18:24.27 | jackyfinn | yes jhutchins. |
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| 18:25.01 | jackyfinn | jhutchins? |
| 18:25.13 | jackyfinn | I did "sudo apt-get install gnash browser-plugin-gnash gnash-common mozilla-plugin-gnash" |
| 18:25.19 | jackyfinn | and it installed |
| 18:25.22 | jackyfinn | but it isn't showing up |
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| 18:26.19 | jhutchins | jackyfinn: You've closed _all_ instances of the browser and restarted it? |
| 18:26.24 | isset_ | Is there are file descriptor limit per process? |
| 18:26.32 | peterrooney_ | bbtech_: have you tried dpkg -i yuuguu.*deb, paste.debian.net with errors (if any) |
| 18:26.36 | jackyfinn | yes jhutchins. |
| 18:27.04 | isset_ | And what is the difference between hard and soft limits? |
| 18:27.26 | qbert_8 | if I delete a file from linux using thunar, is this logged somewhere? |
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| 18:27.40 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, yes, I did get errors with that command. It had the same issue with the java version. Since I knew java was installed I did a --force-depends. So yuuguu is currently installed and working perfectly. |
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| 18:28.25 | bbtech_ | but now it is giving me that error when I try to install anything else |
| 18:28.50 | peterrooney_ | hrmm, next usual cleanup step is "apt-get -f install" |
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| 18:30.47 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, that command wants to do a ton: 0 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 58 to remove and 3 not upgraded |
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| 18:32.48 | peterrooney_ | bbtech_: are any of those 58 packages ones you want to keep? |
| 18:32.50 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, looks like the following: http://paste.debian.net/61317/ |
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| 18:34.16 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, I'm not sure how it decides to remove packages. But, yes, I definitely want to keep xfce4 icedtea virtualbox, etc |
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| 18:35.57 | peterrooney_ | bbtech_: I've seen worse. I would answer "Y" and run with it, and explicitly install things needed afterwards. It makes me wonder how you got there, and what your sources.list looks like. |
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| 18:36.24 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, my install is only a few weeks old |
| 18:37.37 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, maybe I should just remove yuuguu |
| 18:37.55 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, easier to loose that than my UI, graphics drivers, etc |
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| 18:39.01 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, my sources.list is the default with two added repo's for spotify and x2go |
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| 18:40.07 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, I manually installed the following packages after a clean install: https://raw.github.com/brettbatie/dotfiles/master/custom/desktop-work.list |
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| 18:40.46 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, or maybe I should purge all versions of java and just install the latest |
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| 18:43.45 | peterrooney_ | !frankendebian |
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| 18:43.46 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:44.34 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, well, I haven't installed much from other repo's except spotify and x2go |
| 18:44.45 | bbtech_ | that's not that messy |
| 18:45.11 | bbtech_ | haven't mixed multiple releases and the full install is relatively new |
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| 18:46.09 | bbtech_ | removed yuuguu and now the problem is gone |
| 18:47.05 | bbtech_ | I'm not sure why apt-get -f install wanted to go crazy after install yuuguu |
| 18:47.14 | peterrooney_ | Spotify isn't availible in my geographic region (and barely interests me), but as near as I can tell its focus is ubuntu, even so far as specifying ""sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 94558F59 |
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| 18:48.19 | bbtech_ | I don't think spotify is the issue. I removed yuuguu and now aptitude is not complaining about anything |
| 18:48.35 | peterrooney_ | bbtech_: my own preference here would be to go with the suggested action and then manually re-install. I would expect XFCE to continue working until logout if you're working from an xterm for the short minute it would all take. |
| 18:48.36 | bbtech_ | for some reason the yuuguu install wasn't seeing that I had java installed |
| 18:49.09 | peterrooney_ | java 6 or 7? |
| 18:49.19 | jhutchins | bbtech_: This is exactly the sort of problem that crops up with third party packaging. Sometimes they just don't sync properly with a new release, sometimes they assume that since it worked on some Debian derivative, it's good for anything that uses .deb. |
| 18:49.28 | bbtech_ | peterrooney_, If I'm going to go that extreme I'd probably just reinstall the entire OS from scratch and then install all of the software. At which point it would probably still complain as soon as I installed yuuguu. |
| 18:49.33 | peterrooney_ | Oh, I see. openjdk-6-jre |
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| 18:49.57 | Evidlo | I keep getting the message "EXPECTED EOF GOT test" from my crontab, here's my crontab and related files: http://www.rafb.me/results/SOUK5c96.html |
| 18:50.22 | jhutchins | Evidlo: Did you use crontab -e to create it? |
| 18:51.00 | Evidlo | jhutchins: no, just crontab crontab.txt |
| 18:51.02 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, that is why I did a installed yuuguu with --force-depends. I found that yuuguu worked correctly (as java was installed) but then it made aptitude have issues on an umet dependency. |
| 18:51.21 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, if you weren't following the original issue was here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A7qSk7vZ |
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| 18:52.02 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, didn't know how to tell aptitude that the dependency didn't matter and yuuguu was working |
| 18:52.08 | jhutchins | bbtech_: Developers sometimes do stupid things when packaging like require a specific version of a generic package, or carelessly sucking in their entire environment as depends. |
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| 18:52.31 | jhutchins | bbtech_: I saw and understand. |
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| 18:52.58 | JZA | I am trying to install php5 on my box but I get an issue, a bit unrelated |
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| 18:53.20 | JZA | turns out I needed an external package and now debian keeps telling me that this package should be removed |
| 18:53.43 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, I'm just now realizing that it is wanting the 32 bit version of java but I have the 64 bit version installed. |
| 18:54.17 | JZA | the package is unrelated to the whole thing but still prevents apt-get from getting php5 on my box |
| 18:54.20 | JZA | what should i do |
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| 18:54.29 | jasonfinn | Flash isn't saving settings, even the Global Settings one isn't saving any of my settings, I set the slider to 1MB in local storage at global storage and local storage, but it goes back to 0, it isn't saving!!! |
| 18:54.34 | JZA | package that is casuing the error is python-psutil |
| 18:55.00 | JZA | how can I move on and get php5? |
| 18:55.03 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, so the cause of the problem is a developer requiring a 32 bit version of java. Can I install that virtually or something? |
| 18:55.08 | bbtech_ | is very new to debian |
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| 18:56.58 | jhutchins | bbtech_: My suggestion would be to find something native to debian that would let you do whatever it is you really want to do. |
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| 18:57.05 | JZA | anyone knows? |
| 18:57.21 | jhutchins | !tell bbtech_ about multiarch. |
| 18:57.58 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, I have hunted high and low for a gotomeeting style app for debian. Yuuguu was the only one I found that I could get to work. |
| 18:58.07 | jhutchins | JZA: remove the package. |
| 18:59.19 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, I'm not sure I want both a 32 bit and a 64 bit of java installed (seems like they have issues with each other). |
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| 19:00.22 | JZA | jhutchins: i dont want to remove it, it will screw my installation |
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| 19:00.52 | testosteronne | hi o/ |
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| 19:01.37 | JZA | this is what I got http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3327496 |
| 19:01.37 | uvin | hello |
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| 19:03.12 | uvin | i ve got the share folder from windows unaccesebile with my account what can i do? says the file belongs to root |
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| 19:03.56 | JZA | uvin: sounds like a #samba question |
| 19:05.36 | uvin | how i can access the folder with my ccount debianme |
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| 19:05.55 | uvin | now i cd into the folder with root |
| 19:05.59 | mumpitzel | uvin: ls -ld /mountpoint |
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| 19:06.13 | nickgaw | Hi, How with out booting the debian DVD can I tell if it is the i386 or the x64 DVD as I have both? |
| 19:06.17 | karlpinc | JZA: Ok to ask here too, so long as he's using debian on one side or the other. |
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| 19:06.49 | sharky | guys I have problem with encrypted root on lvm2 on debain 6, I get udevd[48] error: runtime directory /dev/run not writable .., then it says it can not find the volume group and logical volumes and falls to initram terminal |
| 19:07.04 | bbtech_ | For those who care, the issue was I force installed a 32 bit version of yuuguu. Just found out that they have a 64 bit version. So, I removed the 32 bit installed 64 bit and all is well. :-) |
| 19:07.11 | JZA | anyone can help me with my apt-get related issue? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3327496 |
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| 19:07.25 | sharky | anyone experienced something similar recently? |
| 19:07.39 | SmashingX | hey somebody knows why I get this error when I try to rewrite directories? |
| 19:07.42 | SmashingX | I do this |
| 19:07.44 | SmashingX | sudo mv -v * ../ |
| 19:07.47 | SmashingX | I get this mv: cannot move `includes' to a subdirectory of itself, `../includes' |
| 19:07.51 | SmashingX | but I want to rewrite whatever is in thart directory |
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| 19:09.08 | justaguy | Hi, My server is in a datacenter in romania, what would be the best country to put into my sources.list |
| 19:09.15 | justaguy | (currently using .nl" |
| 19:09.17 | sharky | SmashingX, maybe try mv ./ *../ |
| 19:09.25 | JZA | justaguy: sweden |
| 19:09.31 | sharky | SmashingX, I mean, maybe try mv ./* ../ |
| 19:09.33 | JZA | or korea |
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| 19:10.42 | karlpinc | sharky: You rebuilt the initramfs so it knows about encrypted root? |
| 19:11.10 | Evidlo | could anyone tell me why this is happening? http://www.rafb.me/results/yyMAnp67.html |
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| 19:11.36 | SmashingX | same error sharky |
| 19:11.51 | uvin | mumixam, i think i need to chmod or something but dong't know what it exactly is |
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| 19:13.04 | sharky | karlpinc, I did that, I updated grub too, I mean with the initram terminal and with livecd I am able to decrypt my encrypted lvm, to mount root, to chroot into it, everything seems fine, all there all volume groups all logcal volumes, but it does not boot |
| 19:14.20 | sharky | SmashingX, can you show us the ouput of ls -lha includes |
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| 19:15.55 | SmashingX | http://pastebin.com/KmE7hzgP |
| 19:16.58 | jumperswitch | Perl seems to be very important in Debian. |
| 19:16.58 | JZA | I am trying to install php5 on my box but I get an issue, a bit unrelated |
| 19:17.07 | jumperswitch | Are the core tools (apt / dpkg) using perl / made of perl= |
| 19:17.13 | JZA | turns out I needed an external package and now debian keeps telling me that this package should be removed |
| 19:17.21 | JZA | the package is unrelated to the whole thing but still prevents apt-get from getting php5 on my box |
| 19:17.34 | JZA | this is what I got http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3327496 |
| 19:17.40 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: a number of side components like debconf use it. |
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| 19:18.10 | sharky | SmashingX, I actually wanted to see if that includes is not some pointer or so, not the files in it sorry, can you show output of ls -lha ./ | grep -i include |
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| 19:21.23 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: could those components be compiled to binaries (perl compiler) in order to avoid this dependency? |
| 19:22.24 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: that would not be a debian system any more, but I guess it's theoretically possible |
| 19:23.24 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: why wouldn't it be a debian system anymore then? I thought a debian system = package manager + packages from community |
| 19:23.42 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: how those packages are applied (multistrap, debootstrap, by hand, whatever) isn't important? |
| 19:23.50 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: you'd lose upgradeability, which is an important feature |
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| 19:24.47 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: so upgradability means that those side components are perl scripts which are modified after installing a package? |
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| 19:25.16 | mevon | hello can anyone tell me how to add advance search for files in the upper task bar? |
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| 19:25.26 | mevon | to seaarch file with the GUI? |
| 19:25.36 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: upgradeability means you can grab and apply binary upgrades for any package, including dpkg, apt and perl, from debian repo |
| 19:25.37 | mevon | i need to find a string inside a textfile |
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| 19:26.01 | mevon | the new gnome dosnt let you add to the task bar like before |
| 19:26.34 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: the life cycle of a package is a bit more than building and installation |
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| 19:26.49 | JordiGH | Does Debian distribute the info manual for gcc? |
| 19:26.54 | mtn | mevon: maybe with gnome-extensions |
| 19:26.59 | JordiGH | I find the gigantic manpage kinda hard to navigate. |
| 19:27.01 | uvin | jelly-home, hello open one file said you don't have the right to view it, it seems it belongs to root, how do i make it viewable with my account |
| 19:27.25 | jelly-home | uvin: sorry? Is there a reason you're asking me? |
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| 19:28.04 | babilen | mevon: Take a look at https://extensions.gnome.org/ but you might have to search within nautilus |
| 19:28.04 | jelly-home | uvin: I did not read your previous lines, apologies. Perhaps someone else can help. |
| 19:28.09 | mevon | mtn yes but was included in the previous gnomes? i dont think it was beta? |
| 19:28.12 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: So the reason why perl is important is that perl scripts can be modified on the fly? |
| 19:28.37 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: they're not modified "on the fly", they're modified pretty much like any other package |
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| 19:29.13 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: it's important because, on the other hand, many package installation scripts use debconf |
| 19:29.14 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: but why is perl needed then? Why can't it be a binary? |
| 19:29.26 | mevon | 1234 |
| 19:29.26 | jumperswitch | jelly-home: ah, this is because package maintainers can write scripts |
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| 19:30.35 | jhutchins | JZA: The answer's not going to change no matter how many times you ask. |
| 19:30.55 | JZA | jhutchins: which answer? |
| 19:32.21 | mevon | 3424 |
| 19:32.26 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: the perl "compiler", as far as I remember, acts much like a static linker and bundles the intepreter and the modules into a single exceutable, is that right? |
| 19:32.29 | JZA | jhutchins: python-psutil is broken |
| 19:32.48 | JZA | jhutchins: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700571 |
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| 19:33.01 | JZA | jhutchins: apt-get will break my openerp installation |
| 19:33.16 | JZA | and python-psutil is unrelated to php5 |
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| 19:33.40 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: let's assume you want to "compile" every package using perl intepreter and Foo::Bar perl module and ship it that way in your debian derivative. Let's assume there's a dozen packages using Foo::Bar. When a security issue is found in Foo::Bar, all Debian has to do is update the libfoo-bar-perl package. Your hypothetical derivative would have to rebuild and ship ALL the packages using it, as if they were statically linked against |
| 19:33.41 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.25 | jelly-home | jumperswitch: this is also why Debian tries VERY hard to avoid any static linking, or use of embedded copies of libraries. |
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| 19:38.40 | jhutchins | JZA: Remove the offending package. |
| 19:39.07 | jhutchins | JZA: I understant that to YOU it's not related, but to the packaging system it is related. |
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| 19:39.53 | jhutchins | JZA: reinstall it until the next time you need to install/upgrade, and consider rebuilding it with the fix. |
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| 19:42.11 | JZA | jhutchins: but installing python-psutil will screw the openerp app |
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| 19:46.28 | quotemstr | Packages in unstable are snapshotted when a stable release is cut, right? |
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| 19:46.37 | quotemstr | So if I'm on unstable now, can I move to stable on next release? |
| 19:46.40 | quotemstr | Or testing? |
| 19:47.05 | quotemstr | Or let me ask another way: what's the cleanest way to migrate a system from unstable to testing or stable? |
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| 19:47.19 | jelly-home | quotemstr: a reinstallation |
| 19:47.28 | quotemstr | :-( |
| 19:48.01 | mumpitzel | quotemstr: you switch to jessie now. and stay there until jessie is released. then you are running stable |
| 19:48.13 | tormen_ | Hi. I am trying to build libasound2 for i386 on a amd64 debian wheezy. |
| 19:48.23 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: should be a pretty sure bet he will run jessie when it's release, since it's not frzen yet |
| 19:48.26 | quotemstr | mumpitzel: Does jessie equal unstable right now? |
| 19:48.26 | mumpitzel | *forzen |
| 19:48.33 | mumpitzel | quotemstr: no |
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| 19:49.06 | zykotick9 | quotemstr: unstable is always called sid, that name doesn't change. |
| 19:49.09 | mumpitzel | quotemstr: you will need to wait probably up to a year until you run stable with you switch to jessie today |
| 19:49.10 | tormen_ | Hi. How can I build libasound2 for i386 on a amd64 debian wheezy? |
| 19:49.23 | mumpitzel | tormen_: why can't you just install it? |
| 19:49.36 | tormen_ | I did a apt-get source -b libasound2, which built me amd64 only |
| 19:49.46 | mumpitzel | tormen_: i386 chroot |
| 19:49.51 | tormen_ | mumpitzel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712980 |
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| 19:50.19 | quotemstr | mumpitzel: I'm mainly worried about causing packages to roll back. |
| 19:50.45 | mumpitzel | roll back? |
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| 19:50.59 | mumpitzel | you mean you want to downgrade something manually? |
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| 19:51.18 | tormen_ | mumpitzel: OK, there is no way around it ? I really need a i386 chroot ? ... I thought: apt-get source --compile --host-architecture i386 libasound2 ? |
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| 19:51.56 | tormen_ | mumpitzel: --host-architecture == This option controls the architecture packages are built for .. |
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| 19:52.11 | jelly-home | tormen_: you might just wait for the maintainer to fix the bug in wheezy |
| 19:52.57 | tormen_ | jelly-home: I would like to be able to get me i386 package though (general know-how)... |
| 19:53.01 | jhutchins | quotemstr: That won't happen. |
| 19:53.05 | jelly-home | tormen_: and no, building for a different dpkg arch might not work correctly yet |
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| 19:53.35 | quotemstr | jhutchins: Oh, okay. |
| 19:53.39 | tormen_ | jelly-home: ok, so ... in the future the --host-architecture could work ? |
| 19:53.44 | quotemstr | This system started out as stable. |
| 19:53.47 | jhutchins | quotemstr: What you could do is switch your sorces to "jessie", and wait for jessie/testing to catch up with your system. Some packages might never catch up. You'd need to keep an eye on it. |
| 19:53.57 | quotemstr | For some reason, some packages are marked hold-back. I have no idea how they got that way. |
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| 19:54.23 | jhutchins | quotemstr: About the time jessie releases as stable, you'll be running stable. Modify any packages that didn't make the cut, add backports and security and there you go, stable system. |
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| 19:54.44 | quotemstr | jhutchins: Sounds good. Thanks. |
| 19:55.29 | jhutchins | I've had a system that was at one point pulling packagges (or attempting to pull them) from four different releases. We've managed to keep it on line and it's now a mostly stable squeeze system. |
| 19:55.35 | bbtech_ | Is there a program that allows for easily mounting disks? Instead of fdisk -l & mount ? |
| 19:55.39 | jhutchins | Not sure I'd trust it to upgrade to wheezy, but... |
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| 19:56.09 | stoffLer | hi |
| 19:56.34 | jhutchins | bbtech_: udev will mount USB disks in userspace - are you thinking of that, or of hot-swap SATA? |
| 19:57.09 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, hot-swap |
| 19:57.34 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, something more like how thunar auto mounts but I want more control - point and click mount/umount |
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| 19:59.28 | jhutchins | bbtech_: I haven't seen that in linux yet. |
| 19:59.43 | quotemstr | Is Jessie as stable as unstable now? |
| 19:59.49 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, ok guess everyone just uses fdisk and mount |
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| 20:00.40 | jhutchins | !unstable |
| 20:00.40 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 20:01.10 | bbtech_ | jhutchins, usbmount might be good enough |
| 20:01.33 | jhutchins | quotemstr: Unstable is never intended as a complete, unitary release. It's more of a staging area for pacages headed into testing. |
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| 20:03.19 | jhutchins | quotemstr: Some people (possibly including you?) use it as a sort of rolling-release that gets frequent updates, but it's really not meant to be that. |
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| 20:06.01 | tormen_ | Hi. Is this explained more in detail somewhere "Better approach: use -vserver kernel and create 32-bit vserver; build anything you want instide it." (from: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq) ? |
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| 20:06.36 | tormen_ | ok forget that question |
| 20:06.38 | tormen_ | ;) |
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| 20:08.32 | gchristensen | I'm getting a "Bad archive mirror" error when using a preseed. when I look in /var/log/syslog it doesn't have anything useful. I exited to a shell and can ping my gateway, but not external IP addresses, and ifconfig is missing. what tools are in place to debug network connectivity issues at this early stage? |
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| 20:10.37 | jhutchins | I'm afraid I still have trouble taking any of the open-source virtualization technologies seriously yet. |
| 20:11.16 | jhutchins | gchristensen: Maybe you have a bad archive mirror. |
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| 20:13.22 | gchristensen | jhutchins: its possible, but more likely that sinec I can't ping public IPs, that my networking isn't configured properly :) |
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| 20:17.02 | stoffLer | i'm looking for a NAS/ISCSI Solution with a high write performance. Is it possible with teaming to get more than about 100 mbyte/s? |
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| 20:19.27 | jhutchins | gchristensen: I would expect a network error in that case, but error messages are notoriously ambiguous. |
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| 20:19.53 | gchristensen | indeed :) I'm not even sure how to determine what my IP or gateway etc. are in this environment |
| 20:20.07 | gchristensen | route -n works, but my own IP is a mystery |
| 20:20.23 | jhutchins | gchristensen: the ip/ifup/ifdown tools may still be available, route might be available (although ip can do that, so probably not). |
| 20:20.30 | jhutchins | gchristensen: Sounds like you don't have the gateway. |
| 20:20.40 | jhutchins | gchristensen: The gateway is the router. |
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| 20:22.00 | jhutchins | gchristensen: You'll want the man page, I too rely on the old tools, but according to it ip link show [ DEVICE ] |
| 20:22.03 | gchristensen | yeah, I lied about not being able to get my route, but ifconfig is not available, I'm reading docs on `ip` |
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| 20:25.29 | gchristensen | jhutchins: I appreciate the heads up on `ip` |
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| 20:27.43 | quotemstr | What's the difference between squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates? |
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| 20:31.27 | epsilon | quotemstr: security fixes and software-updates between releases |
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| 20:31.47 | quotemstr | Ah. Confusing nomenclature. |
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| 20:31.57 | epsilon | historic[tm] |
| 20:32.05 | quotemstr | Where is the code that generates sources.list? |
| 20:32.12 | quotemstr | We could at least add a comment explaining the difference. |
| 20:32.30 | jhutchins | quotemstr: It's like three lines. Which release? |
| 20:32.58 | quotemstr | jhutchins: Which release for what? |
| 20:33.00 | jhutchins | quotemstr: Oh, you mean you want the installer to explain the source names. |
| 20:33.09 | quotemstr | jhutchins: Yeah. Why not? |
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| 20:33.51 | jhutchins | !spoonfeeding |
| 20:33.51 | dpkg | Spoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions. Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers. |
| 20:34.02 | mintux | there 8891 port in ubuntu # Ubuntu default - listen on loopback on port 8891 what is this port in debian ? |
| 20:34.09 | quotemstr | shrugs. |
| 20:34.21 | jelly-home | mintux: dunno, what is it in ubuntu? |
| 20:34.24 | jhutchins | mintux: What program uses it in ubuntu? |
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| 20:34.44 | mintux | i want to install opendkim from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/DKIM but on debian |
| 20:34.56 | jhutchins | mintux: ubuntu isn't a monolithic thing, nor is Debian. It's an integrated collection of OS software packages. |
| 20:34.58 | mintux | in config /etc/default/opendkim it use this port |
| 20:35.59 | jhutchins | mintux: A port is a flag in a network packet. OS really doesn't matter. |
| 20:36.10 | mintux | hmm |
| 20:36.19 | mintux | so this port is for this software |
| 20:37.03 | quotemstr | jhutchins: It really bugs me that software these days uses TCP for machine-local IPC. |
| 20:37.12 | quotemstr | Security? What security? Any local user can connect to those ports. |
| 20:37.53 | daemonkeeper | blinks |
| 20:38.11 | jhutchins | quotemstr: Wow. I'll bet that practice is older than you are. |
| 20:38.18 | daemonkeeper | .oO( must.resist.to.answer ) |
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| 20:39.45 | quotemstr | jhutchins: Do you always resort to personal attacks? |
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| 20:41.20 | quotemstr | jhutchins: And no, I'm about as old as symlinks are, and "I bound to localhost only, therefore I'm secure!" is only not a horrible problem because lots of systems are single-user these days. |
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| 20:42.00 | quotemstr | jhutchins: Clueful programmers use AF_UNIX sockets, but plenty of Windows ports use horrible loopback TCP. |
| 20:42.13 | jelly-home | much like mail servers typically get separated from multiuser shell systems |
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| 20:46.26 | isset_ | When I alter limits.conf to raise the nofile limit and then re-login, with the user I changed the limit for, the limit remains. Why is that? Running 7.2 |
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| 20:48.14 | jelly-home | isset_: how exactly do you log in to that user? |
| 20:48.27 | isset_ | I tried su and sudo -i -u |
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| 20:49.24 | jelly-home | isset_: did you configure su to use pam_limits? The line with pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/su has to be uncommented |
| 20:50.12 | isset_ | I didn't :). How are these values set, when this is commented? |
| 20:50.19 | jelly-home | isset_: they are not. |
| 20:50.30 | isset_ | There were set to 1024 |
| 20:50.43 | isset_ | when checking with ulimit -Hn/Sn |
| 20:50.51 | jelly-home | that's the kernel default |
| 20:50.56 | isset_ | ok |
| 20:51.03 | isset_ | do I have to reboot? |
| 20:51.08 | jelly-home | nope |
| 20:51.16 | isset_ | thanks, worked! |
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| 20:52.29 | jelly-home | you're welcome |
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| 21:08.07 | Wizard | Hi. |
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| 21:20.02 | nmschulte | Is there a packaged version of vim that includes 'xterm_clipboard'? |
| 21:20.47 | Wizard | gvim :> |
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| 21:21.05 | brilliant_ | hehe |
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| 21:22.10 | nmschulte | :( |
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| 21:22.48 | Wizard | Oh, sorry man, it was a joke ;) |
| 21:22.52 | SebTM | hi |
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| 21:23.30 | nmschulte | vim-gtk gets me the goods. |
| 21:23.33 | somiaj | doesn't the default debian package contain it, 'vim --version' and look for +xterm_clipboard -- the version I have has it |
| 21:23.35 | SebTM | some people saied i should use ntpd - but i can't set it up right: ntpd[20220]: unable to bind to wildcard address 0.0.0.0 - another process may be running - EXITING |
| 21:23.41 | SebTM | alwayse get this error :( |
| 21:24.12 | somiaj | ahh I guess I do have vim.gtk as the default vim I'm running |
| 21:24.28 | Wizard | Well, actually, I work in X only, and I use gvim as an $EDITOR. |
| 21:25.06 | somiaj | I use vim in xterms a lot, but appears gvim or vim.gtk has a fallback mode |
| 21:25.13 | somiaj | well gvim has vim.gtk as the fallback |
| 21:25.29 | nmschulte | somiaj: I am on Debian Sid, but no, the vim package has -xterm_clipboard |
| 21:25.32 | jhutchins | SebTM: What did you do to set it up? |
| 21:26.03 | SebTM | aptitude install ntp + configure pidfile in config |
| 21:26.05 | somiaj | nmschulte: yea I double checked, vim.gtk is just my default 'vim' by the alternative system. vim.tiny and vim.basic iddn't include it |
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| 21:26.14 | SebTM | restarted && tried with "ntpd -gq" |
| 21:26.30 | Wizard | nmschulte: Did you install vim or you use this "light" default vi? |
| 21:26.56 | jhutchins | SebTM: Why did you mess with the pidfile? |
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| 21:27.37 | nmschulte | Wizard: I had the `vim` package; I installed `vim.gtk` and now `vim` refers to a binary with +xterm_clipboard |
| 21:27.56 | nmschulte | update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/vim.gtk to provide /usr/bin/vim (vim) in auto mode |
| 21:28.07 | SebTM | jhutchins: i had the same error message before googled it and tried with pidfile but doenst change |
| 21:28.21 | Wizard | Ah, but this still counts as solved ;D |
| 21:28.24 | Wizard | ~next |
| 21:28.24 | apt | somebody said next was NEXT! |
| 21:28.26 | nmschulte | Not sure what it was at before; I assume the vim package (or vim-tiny, if a meta pkg) doesn't have a binary(alternative) that has +xterm_clipboard |
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| 21:28.46 | nmschulte | but.. but!! I get ~next |
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| 21:30.25 | Wizard | ;D |
| 21:30.30 | jhutchins | SebTM: Literally all you have to do is aptitude install ntp. |
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| 21:31.01 | SebTM | jhutchins: i did this but do you think it will sync time? how to test? |
| 21:31.15 | oo_miguel | I installed xmonad and lightdm and my personal .xinitrc seems to by bypassed. where can I set my personal background color? |
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| 21:31.29 | jhutchins | SebTM: You can't run a second ntpd process when the first one is running, so after you re-start it it's going to give you an error if you try to run it with -gq. |
| 21:31.37 | jhutchins | SebTM: It starts up in that mode anyway. |
| 21:31.37 | nmschulte | Wizard: fix this one: aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZNK7tagcoll4coll4FastISsSsE13getTagsOfItemERKSs |
| 21:31.49 | jhutchins | SebTM: Try ntpq -p and see if your version supports that. |
| 21:32.25 | Wizard | nmschulte: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 21:32.43 | Wizard | And be sure you don't have $LD_PRELOAD set. |
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| 21:32.57 | SebTM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.11 | SebTM | http://pastebin.com/1mXTyyvJ |
| 21:33.17 | jhutchins | SebTM: now man ntpq and see what it means. |
| 21:33.18 | SebTM | this is the result |
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| 21:34.35 | jhutchins | SebTM: You are sync'ed with char-ntp-pool.com, which gets it's time from 130.149.17.8 and is a second-layer server, with it's source being a primary. |
| 21:35.31 | SebTM | jhutchins: so everything is fine? it will keep my time current? |
| 21:35.57 | jhutchins | SebTM: You may want to check occasionally and make sure it's sync'ed. |
| 21:36.29 | SebTM | jhutchins: if i will change the clock on system to wrong value now - when does it have to be corrected at least? |
| 21:36.40 | SebTM | jhutchins: do i only have to install ntp as package or ntpdate too? |
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| 21:37.16 | jhutchins | SebTM: ntpdate is a single-use tool that does not adjust drift. |
| 21:37.37 | jhutchins | SebTM: Forcing the clock too far off will cause the running process to lock itself out. Read the docs. |
| 21:38.16 | jhutchins | SebTM: Several years ago VMs had terrible clocks and would drift beyond ntpd's ability to correct them, they're much better now. |
| 21:38.29 | SebTM | jhutchins: hmmm |
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| 21:38.44 | SebTM | jhutchins: so i have to look if it's about ok and cant make a test ?? |
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| 21:39.09 | jhutchins | SebTM: Run the ntpq program to test it, and read the docs. |
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| 21:39.41 | SebTM | jhutchins: ntpq in shell only or how? |
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| 21:40.29 | jhutchins | SebTM: Monitoring utilities like nagios can notify you if it goes off. Read the docs. If it's just your workstation you probably don't need to worry about it unless you leave it up 24x7. |
| 21:41.51 | SebTM | jhutchins: i'm asking because i want to configure setup on my server |
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| 21:42.29 | oo_miguel | during my debian installation i decided to install "Laptop" and "System Utilites" (or something very similar). How can I see which packages where selected with that too decisions? |
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| 21:42.41 | oo_miguel | s/too/two |
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| 21:43.25 | jhutchins | SebTM: Set up nagios on a home system to monitor the server. There are other things you want to watch anyway. |
| 21:43.37 | SebTM | jhutchins: ok thanks |
| 21:43.57 | jhutchins | SebTM: There are some good alternatives to nagios like icinga too. |
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| 21:44.13 | SebTM | jhutchins: i already have an icinga server :) |
| 21:44.24 | SebTM | jhutchins: will setup timemonitoring |
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| 21:45.22 | jhutchins | SebTM: Should be a plugin/module for ntp/. |
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| 21:45.55 | SebTM | jhutchins: thx .) |
| 21:45.56 | SebTM | :) |
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| 22:00.58 | netczar | Hi, I've bootstrapped debian, and have Xorg working in a chroot however any user not UID 0 can't run Xorg...any ideas? |
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| 22:02.10 | jelly-home | netczar: how do said users log in? |
| 22:02.19 | netczar | login |
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| 22:02.32 | netczar | hmm |
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| 22:02.39 | jelly-home | netczar: debian only allows console logged in users to startx, by default |
| 22:03.27 | jelly-home | netczar: you might want to set up a graphical login manager service like lightdm, xdm, kdm or gdm3 instead |
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| 22:08.02 | netczar | jelly-home: thanks, it was me using su |
| 22:08.07 | netczar | so /sbin/login worked |
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| 22:16.22 | codex1 | client for Google drive? :D |
| 22:16.30 | abrotman | a browser? |
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| 22:17.12 | jelly-home | codex1: is their API open to make an open-source client possible at all? |
| 22:17.19 | ectospasm | codex1: I used grive for a time |
| 22:17.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes, php-google-api-php-client says so |
| 22:17.46 | brfrzl | Hello! I'm setting up a Samba share for the first time. Lots of guides recommend to make the directory in /home, but am I right in saying that /var is the best place for it? For example, '/var/samba/one'? |
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| 22:18.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: I wonder which language that package is written in. |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: erlang? :) |
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| 22:22.21 | codepython777 | how can i create an iso file for debian that installs itself without any keystrokes? |
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| 22:22.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell codepython777 about preseed |
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| 22:23.27 | codepython777 | abrotman: the problem with this approach is that i've to generate the iso everytime i change the preseed |
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| 22:23.41 | codepython777 | abrotman: is there a way that i can tell the iso to pull the preseed file from online automatically? |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | how else would oyu like it to know your settings? |
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| 22:24.13 | codepython777 | abrotman: goto the web and get the file? |
| 22:24.22 | abrotman | you can try that .. |
| 22:24.29 | abrotman | have you try preseeding |
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| 22:24.50 | codepython777 | abrotman: the problem is : I need it to be fully automated - since i need to create a vm using a script. |
| 22:24.58 | ectospasm | is there an equivalent to kickstart that can pull the script of PXE? |
| 22:25.08 | tapoxi | hello, I'm using apt-mirror to mirror a repo but I want to make it available to other machines on my network. how should I go about doing this? |
| 22:25.09 | codepython777 | abrotman: preseeding works by pressing esc and then typing a few chars. I need that automated |
| 22:25.14 | ectospasm | (kickstart being a redhatism) |
| 22:25.24 | abrotman | ectospasm: preseeding and FAI |
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| 22:25.42 | abrotman | tapoxi: you probably want to use a proxy, not a mirror, see approx or apt-cacher-ng |
| 22:26.29 | tapoxi | abrotman: I need a mirror because the repo deletes the old versions of its packages, I need to make them available |
| 22:26.41 | abrotman | tapoxi: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 22:27.17 | benedikt | I'm using tmpfs and df -h shows 93M usage, but a du -sh of the directory shows a 96K usage. Whats up? |
| 22:27.18 | tapoxi | abrotman: it's debmon.org, it's not a debian mirror but third party |
| 22:27.47 | abrotman | tapoxi: the proxy can retain packages, read the docs |
| 22:27.57 | tapoxi | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:28.44 | abrotman | tapoxi: you might have to check a few of them |
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| 22:33.10 | ScottE | benedikt: open but unlinked files will look like that |
| 22:33.41 | benedikt | ScottE: what is an open but unlinked file? can you give me an example? |
| 22:34.02 | ScottE | benedikt: yes... a process opens a file, and then unlinks (deletes) it |
| 22:34.14 | benedikt | what if the process opens the file but exists without closing it? |
| 22:34.50 | ScottE | benedikt: that's fine, when the process exits the space will be reclaimed |
| 22:35.30 | benedikt | this tmpfs always has the same files there, there shouldnt be any deleted files |
| 22:36.25 | benedikt | hm wait, there is one file managed by logrotate |
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| 22:38.03 | benedikt | is there anything i can do about this? my program crashes if this tmpfs fills up |
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| 22:41.35 | ScottE | benedikt: maybe... you can use lsof +L /path and look for open files that are deleted. That might at least lead you to an offender |
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| 22:42.02 | riceandbeans | I just got my first production system at work changed from ubuntu to debian |
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| 22:42.21 | riceandbeans | and now I just have to get the ones from fedora and redhat and centos to debia |
| 22:42.22 | riceandbeans | debian |
| 22:43.28 | Camisaqui | error |
| 22:43.31 | Camisaqui | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZNK7tagcoll4coll4FastISsSsE13getTagsOfItemERKSs |
| 22:43.39 | Camisaqui | helpme |
| 22:43.57 | abrotman | Camisaqui: dpkg -l aptitude , which version? |
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| 22:44.28 | benedikt | ScottE: thanks, the offender is indeed logrotate. Can i do anything to combat this? |
| 22:44.47 | Camisaqui | aptitude 0.6.8.2-1.2 amd64 terminal-based package manager |
| 22:44.47 | themill | !btssmite Camisaqui |
| 22:44.48 | dpkg | beats Camisaqui around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Camisaqui is running testing or unstable |
| 22:44.51 | ScottE | benedikt: rotate the logs sooner? :-) |
| 22:45.23 | benedikt | then there will just be more deleted files? |
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| 22:47.10 | ScottE | benedikt: I'm going to guess that the problem isn't logrotate, but whatever is writing the logs - like it's not aware that the files are rotating out from underneath it |
| 22:48.53 | Camisaqui | I have debian sid and just update it and I came out with this error |
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| 22:51.30 | benedikt | ScottE: fair guess |
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| 22:52.03 | abrotman | Camisaqui: did you look in the BTS yet? |
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| 22:52.37 | jelly-home | "what's bts" |
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| 22:53.29 | abrotman | themill has already pointed that out |
| 22:56.38 | Camisaqui | what's bts? |
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| 22:57.40 | doomikus | standard vi (vim) install in debian creates ACD characters when in INSERT mode, any way to make this behave as vim generally would in any other distro, where the arrow keys still can be used for movement? |
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| 23:01.00 | fhdrin | did you try man vi(m) |
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| 23:02.41 | themill | doomikus: you probably install the vim package and start it as "vim" rather than "vi" |
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| 23:03.17 | doomikus | themill: I have not installed vim, but which vi eventually points to vim.tiny, which I suspect is part of the issue |
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| 23:04.38 | themill | even with vim.tiny you probably want to start it as "vim" not "vi". |
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| 23:05.39 | doomikus | themill: you can't start with "vim" since bash doesn't see that as a good command |
| 23:05.50 | themill | hmmm it should do |
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| 23:06.07 | doomikus | it looks as though I corrected this by installing vim via apt-get install |
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| 23:06.33 | doomikus | I never installed/uninstalled vim at any point |
| 23:06.54 | doomikus | I suspect vim.tiny is a parred down version that is more compatible with the original vi |
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| 23:11.20 | doomikus | fyi, vim.tiny which is really "vi" is 764K and vim.basic which is "vim" is 1.8M |
| 23:11.46 | xrq | I suspect vim.tiny is a 500 pound guy with a shirt that says "vim" |
| 23:12.33 | doomikus | is it ironic he's a bouncer for Club emacs? |
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| 23:13.17 | xrq | not at all |
| 23:13.40 | rudi_s | doomikus: vim.tiny is still a Vim, just the tiny build. |
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| 23:13.56 | doomikus | rudi_s: tiny and frustrating |
| 23:13.58 | ScottE | I always got a headache after visiting club emacs |
| 23:14.08 | xrq | so no extensions or add-ons? |
| 23:14.15 | rudi_s | doomikus: Well, it has only minimal features. Still a very powerful editor. |
| 23:14.18 | xrq | what is club emacs? |
| 23:14.44 | doomikus | rudi_s: I don't doubt that and I when I used "vi" that's what I meant in my own mind, that's it a parred down version of vim |
| 23:14.56 | doomikus | vi is just the pointer to vim.tiny |
| 23:14.57 | dont-panic | xrq: people who prefer emacs over vi or vim |
| 23:15.15 | doomikus | I'm spoiled and expect my non-guru gigantic 1.8M version to just work |
| 23:15.25 | rudi_s | doomikus: Actually vi is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi which may point to many things. |
| 23:15.35 | rmdashrf | z |
| 23:15.49 | rudi_s | And Vim != Vi, but on most systems today both are provided by Vim. |
| 23:15.53 | dont-panic | doomikus: vi doesn't point to vim from what I remember |
| 23:16.13 | rudi_s | dont-panic: Depends on your setup. |
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| 23:16.31 | rudi_s | But by default it does on Debian. |
| 23:16.32 | doomikus | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 22 20:48 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 23:16.34 | dont-panic | rudi_s: yeah, I guess if you have it aliased |
| 23:16.36 | dont-panic | really? |
| 23:16.38 | themill | Given that you can have elvis or nvi or …, if you want vim, install vim. |
| 23:16.39 | rudi_s | dont-panic: No. |
| 23:16.46 | doomikus | points back to vim.tiny |
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| 23:17.13 | dont-panic | vim's my favorite |
| 23:17.14 | rudi_s | *points back to the Vim version you have installed. If you want a "normal" vim, install vim-nox. |
| 23:17.44 | doomikus | rudi_s: what is the diff between vim-now and vim? |
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| 23:17.56 | rudi_s | doomikus: -nox |
| 23:17.58 | themill | ,bug 529977 |
| 23:18.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/529977 in vim (closed): «vim.tiny doesn't provide /usr/bin/vim command (vim alternative is missing)»; severity: important; opened: 2009-05-22; last modified: 2011-01-11. |
| 23:18.03 | doomikus | btw, I installed vim via apt-get and all is as I expect now that I use vim at the cli |
| 23:18.12 | doomikus | rudi_s: nice |
| 23:18.24 | xrq | I used vim for five years and then switched to emacs after realizing I didn't have to hit esc and i to switch modes all the time. that and I was learning lisp at the time |
| 23:18.28 | rudi_s | doomikus: vim has default features, vim-nox has "all" features. |
| 23:18.53 | doomikus | rudi_s: I'm ignorant enough at this point that I probably wouldn't know the difference, but thanks for the tip |
| 23:19.02 | themill | doomikus: if the muscle memory is struggling with typing "vim" instead of "vi", then you can "alias vi=vim" |
| 23:19.08 | rudi_s | xrq: Alternative mappings exist, e.g. remap jk to esc to leave insert mode. |
| 23:19.25 | rudi_s | doomikus: You will if you want to install plugins which use python, perl, etc. |
| 23:19.28 | dont-panic | xrq: theres multiple modes... theres a few video's on youtube by shawn biddle that explains most of vim pretty well |
| 23:19.33 | rudi_s | vim-nox provides the bindings, vim doesn't. |
| 23:19.35 | doomikus | themill: thanks, knew that much. I'm ok with vim, that's the memory for me |
| 23:19.37 | dont-panic | *not most, but a decent amount |
| 23:19.46 | xrq | rudi_s: I switched about eight years ago, it doesn't really matter anymore |
| 23:19.49 | ectospasm | themill: heh, my muscle memory is the opposite. On systems that *don't* have vim, I usually do a quick, ephemeral alias vim=vi |
| 23:19.52 | themill | doomikus: no worries, happy hunting |
| 23:20.01 | rudi_s | xrq: Just wanted to mention it ;-) |
| 23:20.03 | themill | ectospasm: young whippersnapper |
| 23:21.37 | doomikus | I can't keep up with all you guys that can brag about the various colored papered punchcards you once used :P |
| 23:22.24 | jelly-home | punchcards? We'd have been happy to have had punchcards |
| 23:22.35 | dont-panic | doomikus: I've used punchcards... I hated punchcards |
| 23:22.42 | xrq | doomikus: people don't usually brag about them... they complain about them |
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| 23:23.09 | ectospasm | better hope you numbered them there cards |
| 23:23.17 | doomikus | sorry, when 5M HDDs were as big as three men |
| 23:23.18 | dont-panic | LOL |
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| 23:23.54 | dont-panic | ectospasm: hey, you missed your job code... put your damn job code on the card, that's what the box is for ;D |
| 23:24.39 | jelly-home | doomikus: is that a washing machine in your pocket |
| 23:24.39 | ectospasm | thankfully I am just young enough to not have dealt with such problems (-; |
| 23:24.58 | dont-panic | ectospasm: theres still jobs that exist that use them |
| 23:25.07 | dont-panic | mostly factory jobs |
| 23:25.27 | ectospasm | if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right? |
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| 23:25.50 | xrq | I thought we were talking about punchcards to compile source code |
| 23:26.06 | doomikus | I dunno, I missed the washing machine joke - whoosh |
| 23:26.11 | dont-panic | xrq: I have no clue what we're talking about |
| 23:26.18 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 23:26.19 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:26.21 | dont-panic | I figured it was work cards |
| 23:26.37 | doomikus | isn't this where some nazi-like figure comes into to tell us that we're horrible people being off-topic and all |
| 23:26.45 | doomikus | there we go |
| 23:26.46 | dont-panic | note the primarily part there |
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| 23:27.26 | ectospasm | I especially use !ot when I've been a contributor to the ot discussion |
| 23:27.33 | xrq | doomikus: yeah. that would make a good monty python or seinfeld skit |
| 23:27.41 | doomikus | I noticed, very apropos |
| 23:27.53 | themill | would be quite happy to continue the conversation elsewhere |
| 23:27.57 | dont-panic | ectospasm: someone in ubuntu did that to me everytime I asked a question... switched back to debian |
| 23:27.58 | xrq | doomikus: "this is the DEBIAN ROOM! if you want to talk about PUNCH CARDS, go to the PUNCH CARDS ROOM!" |
| 23:28.24 | dont-panic | wonders if theres a PUNCH CARDS ROOM |
| 23:28.33 | xrq | has anyone here installed debian on the nexus 7 retina that can say how well bluetooth and wifi are supported on the device? |
| 23:28.38 | ectospasm | dont-panic: wow, switching back to Debian from Ubuntu? Was there a reason you left Debian in the first place? |
| 23:28.40 | xrq | ^ back onto topic XD |
| 23:28.55 | jelly-home | xrq: channel. For extra credit the skit takes place in an actual channel. |
| 23:29.05 | ectospasm | d'oh, I thought this *was* debian-offtopic... |
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| 23:29.20 | dont-panic | ectospasm: back when I wasn't familiar with cli... I got real tired of putting my password in every 2 mins |
| 23:29.28 | xrq | jelly-home: well my point is that there is no such notion of "topic" in real life, aside from business meetings |
| 23:29.50 | xrq | jelly-home: of course there are "chitchat" channels so whatever |
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| 23:30.05 | doomikus | xrq: I don't know what business meetings you've been attending, but mine are mostly people talking about things that don't solve anything |
| 23:30.07 | dont-panic | xrq: that and we're all cracked out ADD people |
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| 23:30.19 | dont-panic | on-topic is a pipe dream |
| 23:30.38 | dont-panic | doomikus: #same |
| 23:30.49 | xrq | oh, yes that could explain it too! the OCD people enforce the topic |
| 23:30.49 | peterrooney_ | xrq: topic is very much an IRL notion. |
| 23:31.02 | jelly-home | xrq: have you ever attended any classes |
| 23:31.02 | dont-panic | I'm at work right now... doing nothing but waiting to go home |
| 23:31.17 | xrq | jelly-home: classes, like at a university? |
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| 23:31.33 | jelly-home | any kind of education. |
| 23:31.38 | xrq | jelly-home: yes, plenty |
| 23:31.58 | dont-panic | jelly-home: he found irc, that took education |
| 23:32.01 | jelly-home | were those not real life enough |
| 23:32.15 | xrq | jelly-home: is this the debian class? what are we teaching about debian today? |
| 23:32.31 | dont-panic | jelly-home: reall life education rarely prepares you for real life situations |
| 23:32.34 | themill | xrq: please take it to #debian-offtopic or to a /query |
| 23:32.50 | jelly-home | xrq: we're looking for and/or providing tech support. Anything else goes to #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:33.21 | dont-panic | considers going back to ubuntu to hear more OT horseshit |
| 23:33.30 | doomikus | lol |
| 23:34.18 | themill | dont-panic: this is a working channel. It exists solely to provide support to debian users. We have a lot of people in here who are helping out on work time and they can justify it when it is a support channel not a social channel. |
| 23:34.27 | themill | Please respect that. |
| 23:34.41 | xrq | is the nexus 7 retina such a rare device for debian users that no one here has installed debian on it? |
| 23:34.48 | dont-panic | themill: I do, when someone has a real question like that one ^ |
| 23:34.56 | doomikus | hides from themill's wrath |
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| 23:35.11 | themill | dont-panic: except that people don't ask questions when they feel that they would be interrupting. |
| 23:35.17 | xrq | otherwise, I'm confused why no one has actually answered my question |
| 23:35.28 | dont-panic | sometimes lifes tough |
| 23:35.34 | themill | they missed it amongst all the offtopic ... |
| 23:35.45 | themill | xrq: it's not common to try to install debian on closed hardware designed for android, no. |
| 23:36.14 | dont-panic | xrq: you can probably install picuntu on it |
| 23:36.36 | dont-panic | xrq: I did that with my mk802III... I'm tunneled through that device right now |
| 23:36.58 | jelly-home | xrq: each embedded device is slightly different. If yours is open enough to install plain linux, it's probably possible to install Debian on it as well, but the details will be device specific. |
| 23:37.22 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 23:37.22 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:40.24 | dont-panic | looks like the old OT scared the conversation away |
| 23:40.54 | xrq | the conversation was offtopic, what did you expect? |
| 23:41.20 | xrq | hence the policy on friendlier channels not to be OT nazis because people just leave |
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| 23:41.51 | themill | xrq: you are free to leave |
| 23:42.20 | dont-panic | xrq: I rarely ask questions in channels that look like theres just a bunch of bots in them and nothing going on... It's like an empty house, uninviting |
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| 23:42.40 | dont-panic | shoot... got some mysql issues to resolve |
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