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| 00:03.06 | Mr_Rocco | ./msg aboman hello |
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| 00:21.55 | oo_miguel | I wonder how to find out what "components" in my notebook are consuming power AND i can turn off or reduce their power consumption. |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | powertop |
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| 00:24.21 | oo_miguel | aboman: nice , thank you |
| 00:24.36 | oo_miguel | does this list ANYTHING that might be controlled potentially? |
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| 00:29.17 | Yoshi1 | //j #nota |
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| 00:29.32 | Nashenas | Is there a way to customize gdm so that I'm required to enter in my username? |
| 00:30.40 | wjtaylor_ | I am trying to replace exim with msmtp, but when I go to uninstall exim, it wants to uninstall samba |
| 00:30.42 | abrotman | Nashenas: /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings or something like that |
| 00:30.57 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: install msmtp, it will remove exim |
| 00:31.23 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: ok. How does it know to do that? |
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| 00:32.23 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: package control file |
| 00:32.49 | wjtaylor_ | I love debian |
| 00:33.17 | jeep | wjtaylor_: debian loves you too |
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| 00:33.51 | wjtaylor_ | :) rpm used to be such a pain. I've never regretted switching. |
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| 00:34.31 | Nashenas | abrotman: Thanks, I'll take a look |
| 00:35.07 | jeep | wjtaylor_: the .deb package management is almost perfect |
| 00:35.45 | Nashenas | jeep: almost? |
| 00:35.48 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: exim is still installed... should I be worried? Comcast has rendered port 25 useless and I need msmtp to send mail via 587 |
| 00:36.51 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: exim can send via 587 |
| 00:36.56 | wjtaylor_ | I've hear that rpm can to things that .deb can't do, but I was always in dll hell. If I can't do some really specific, technical things but avoid dll hell... that's a good trade |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: you're trying to relay through their SMTP servers? |
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| 00:37.46 | wjtaylor_ | no. I was just using sendmail, which I think called exim, to send mail to gmail so I would know when a drive failed. |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | no .. sendmail does not call exim |
| 00:38.03 | Nashenas | going to log out then in to test this out :) |
| 00:38.09 | abrotman | what are you actually trying to do? |
| 00:38.50 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman, ok whatever the system uses to send mail for system messeges ... I pointed root to my gmail address via aliases |
| 00:39.33 | wjtaylor_ | worked great until they shut down 25 this year.... |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | well, it started last year |
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| 00:40.23 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: you can do this two ways, send directly to Gmail, or send via Comcast's SMTP servers |
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| 00:40.39 | wjtaylor_ | I want to send to gmail |
| 00:40.52 | wjtaylor_ | then, when my mail server is up, I'll send to my own |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | so you're going to auth with your own Gmail credentials and send to yourself? |
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| 00:41.01 | wjtaylor_ | yup |
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| 00:41.09 | abrotman | there are docs about doing this with exim |
| 00:41.30 | wjtaylor_ | ok. I should probably uninstall msmtp? |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 for example |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | not sure how up to date that is, but you get the idea |
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| 00:43.20 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 00:43.47 | Nashenas | The project that used to be called Beryl... does anyone know what it's called now? |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | it's not, it's dead |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | so is Compiz |
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| 00:46.54 | Nashenas | abrotman, so there's nothing now? |
| 00:47.04 | rhizome | hi all. i've created a mirror with mdadm, which is working fine, but it gets mounted and appears with a "document" type icon on the desktop, is there a way to give it a hard drive icon? right-click > properties does not show any appropriate icons. |
| 00:47.08 | qbert_8 | Nashenas, compiz was just removed a couple of months ago. You can find a snapshot of the older repository which includes .92 compiz in experimental. It works, as I'm using right now with Jessie. I did have to compile some things myself from the source for wheezy, don't know if thats necessary or not with Jessie |
| 00:48.03 | Nashenas | qbert_8 :( |
| 00:48.11 | qbert_8 | Also, there is a .94 version if you look in the debian maintainers site that is now dead., .94 is waiting for someone to package it |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | Nashenas: the features have been merged into other applicatoins |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | qbert_8: it's not going to happen |
| 00:49.30 | qbert_8 | Nashenas, I'm pretty sure you can download the .92 from a snapshot. Check ou tthis site http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=511010 |
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| 00:50.32 | qbert_8 | shows how to get it from the snapshot. You should be able to get it running. I run XFCE with 4 monitors (mutliseatish setup) and a seperate instance of compiz / fusion icon on each seat |
| 00:50.41 | qbert_8 | Using these same packages |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | there's a reason the project is dead |
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| 00:52.43 | qbert_8 | Although I did compile them myself from source some time ago, I think that the packages in the snapshot should work fine. As an alternative, you can get the mate-compiz packages from lmde to run as well, this is ver .88 though and takes up a lot of resources. .92 is much less resource hog |
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| 00:53.42 | abrotman | yeah, let's make a bigger mess of things that should go away |
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| 00:53.50 | qbert_8 | abrotman, what is the reason? I get that the features are mostly moved into desktops like gnome3, kde, cinnimon, etc, but what about those of us that use XFCE? |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | no one wanted to support it? |
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| 00:54.15 | qbert_8 | Abrotman, I agree that the lmde stuff is a bad idea. I'd stick to the debian packages of .92 |
| 00:54.18 | abrotman | and ITYM mutter |
| 00:54.27 | qbert_8 | fair enough |
| 00:55.36 | Outlander | hi, any way to insert a custom string header into a war file (basically zip format) using standard tools like gzip or 7zip, for the purposes for retrieving only that string/comment header via a http range request fetch? |
| 00:56.24 | qbert_8 | I just think that many users are used to some of the compiz shortcuts, etc - and really wish this would still be included in debian |
| 00:56.49 | qbert_8 | but I get if there's no one willing to package/support it, theres not much that can be done |
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| 00:59.22 | abrotman | you could |
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| 01:20.06 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: I setup exim as the link suggested. How can I test? |
| 01:20.23 | wjtaylor_ | sendmail doesn't use exim? |
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| 01:21.50 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: just try to send an email to yourself at gmail |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: echo foo | mail you@gmail.com |
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| 01:22.36 | wjtaylor_ | so is mail an alias to exim? |
| 01:22.42 | wjtaylor_ | or is that another program |
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| 01:26.07 | Nashenas | Any idea how I can install a theme into gnome3? |
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| 01:29.13 | abrotman | Nashenas: i'd guess gnome-tweak-tool .. but i'm sure the art.gnome.org website has some instructions |
| 01:29.36 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: works great, thanks! |
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| 01:33.57 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: congrats |
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| 01:42.49 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: oops there's one thing. If I test: echo foo | mail root is doesn't do anything |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: probably set your alias |
| 01:43.41 | wjtaylor_ | OH! I think I set it up for no local delivery.... which means root would not get forwarded... i think |
| 01:44.03 | wjtaylor_ | i have root set up to point to my user and then a .forward to point to several external email addys |
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| 01:46.58 | wjtaylor_ | yup. Now we have mail and sms messages on failure! |
| 01:47.25 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: Hey, thanks again! I'm heading out for tonight |
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| 01:48.36 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: congrats |
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| 02:28.20 | alusion | everytime I try to vnc to my server it looks like http://i.imgur.com/UeHbdYc.png |
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| 02:28.41 | alusion | I can't do anything, and I'm thinking it has something to do with the xstartup file |
| 02:28.43 | themill | alusion: looks like you're not running anything inside that xsession |
| 02:29.06 | alusion | I want it to start a gnome or xfce4 session |
| 02:29.11 | alusion | so it can be lightweight over the network |
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| 02:29.22 | alusion | I have tried putting that in my xstartup file |
| 02:29.30 | alusion | and it still persists to not run anything inside the xsession |
| 02:29.40 | alusion | I killed the vncserver and restarted it |
| 02:29.44 | alusion | and it does it still |
| 02:29.46 | themill | gnome? Lightweight? You're never going to be happy about the performance of this setup. One or more ssh links will be more fun |
| 02:29.52 | dvs | what's in your ~/.vnc/xstartup file? |
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| 02:30.51 | alusion | http://sprunge.us/ebIe |
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| 02:32.49 | dvs | alusion: Almost identical to mine. |
| 02:33.07 | alusion | I don't understand the problem |
| 02:33.42 | alusion | I want to see what's on my desktop |
| 02:34.10 | alusion | resume my active xsession |
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| 02:35.59 | themill | how precisely are you starting the vnc server? what are the permissions on ~/.vnc/* |
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| 02:37.39 | qbert_8 | abrotman, I would think about trying to package the .94 compiz, is there a good place you could point me as to how to package source code? I've done it from sid before but that's significantly easier than from standard source I believe |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell qbert_8 about nmg |
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| 02:54.46 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know of a nice mame frontend? |
| 02:54.59 | NotJimCarrey | most i've tried require xmame |
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| 03:12.19 | dizzylizzy | Is it possible to move debian-specific kernels and boot information off to, say, /boot/debian instead of at the root of /boot ? |
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| 03:17.03 | rjsalts | dizzylizzy: dpkg-divert maybe? |
| 03:17.42 | rjsalts | dizzylizzy: but you'd need to do it for each new kernel before you installed the package I think |
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| 03:23.20 | dizzylizzy | I could just pin the kernel in apt though right? |
| 03:23.33 | dizzylizzy | I'm trying to figure out what all configuration files I'd need to modify |
| 03:23.46 | dizzylizzy | grub probably, hmm |
| 03:23.52 | dizzylizzy | i should try doing this in a vm first or something |
| 03:24.23 | dizzylizzy | I'm trying to share a physical /boot partition among two different distros, both of whose root partitions are logical volumes |
| 03:24.43 | dizzylizzy | Debian is my primary distro though, so maybe I should just put the other one's stuff in /boot/distroname |
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| 03:26.50 | zexcriz | is their any program which helps in implementing multiple debian servers ? |
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| 03:34.42 | codepython777 | do the debian installers change much between versions? I'm hoping i can use my preseeding file over 7.3 and 7.4? and 8.0 perhaps? |
| 03:34.51 | twobitsprite | I'm trying to grow a partition on a disk, but the partition starts at sector 8, but fdisk won't let me create a partion before sector 63 |
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| 03:35.21 | twobitsprite | normally I just delete the partition and create a new one with the same start, but in this case I'm a bit stuck |
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| 03:50.47 | boudiccas | how do i get anumerical value for some directories as to their size? 'du -sh /foobar' works well, but i want it with just figures and not the pathway too |
| 03:51.09 | jeep | boudiccas: pipe it through awk |
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| 03:52.46 | boudiccas | jeep; care to elaborate please? i've never used awk before so i'm not too sure about what you're saying |
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| 03:53.39 | jeep | boudiccas: du -sh /foo |awk '{ print $1, $2; }' |
| 03:54.02 | jeep | boudiccas: the 1 /2 is the column you want to see |
| 03:54.03 | boudiccas | jeep; ah, right thanks |
| 03:54.15 | jeep | boudiccas: change it to like 5 or 6 probably |
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| 03:55.19 | jeep | boudiccas: or actually just one |
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| 04:10.32 | codepython777 | anyone knows how to make this work on debian 7.2 -> pip install lxml? |
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| 04:12.18 | boudiccas | codepython777; did you know that python-lxml is in the repos. doesn't that float your boat? |
| 04:12.37 | codepython777 | boudiccas: what version is that? |
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| 04:13.17 | boudiccas | 2.3.2-1 |
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| 04:14.27 | boudiccas | just do 'apt-cache search foobar' then 'apt-cache show foobar' and maybe 'apt-cache policy foobar' |
| 04:15.08 | boudiccas | i just use aliases for them, acs then show then acp. makes it all a lot simpler |
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| 04:16.49 | codepython777 | boudiccas: too old - 2.3.2 |
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| 04:17.43 | codepython777 | wierd. I ran a apt-get command before installing pip lxml which had both libxml2-dev libxslt-dev - for some reason it failed or did not install correctly. If I run it once more, everything goes fine |
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| 04:19.40 | Rusty1 | codepython777: virtualenv, learn it , love it http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/ |
| 04:19.56 | codepython777 | What happened to libjpeg in 7.2? |
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| 04:21.18 | mumpitze1 | ,v libjpeg8 |
| 04:21.19 | judd | Package: libjpeg8 on i386 -- squeeze: 8b-1; jessie: 8d-1; sid: 8d-1; wheezy: 8d-1 |
| 04:21.42 | pnkbst | where can I find a list of supported netbooks? |
| 04:21.53 | mumpitze1 | !laptops |
| 04:21.53 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 04:22.12 | mumpitze1 | pnkbst: /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 04:22.45 | pnkbst | mumpitze1: I know how to use the bot... O_o |
| 04:23.02 | mumpitze1 | not everyone does. feel free to use it then |
| 04:23.13 | codepython777 | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 04:23.31 | codepython777 | why not link libjpeg to libjpeg8? |
| 04:23.31 | mumpitze1 | codepython777: there still is libjpeg62 too of course |
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| 05:12.15 | The_Ball | Debian maintains the shadow utilities packages, is there a git tree somewhere? |
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| 05:15.17 | Forte | Question |
| 05:15.25 | Forte | I was running an upgrade |
| 05:15.30 | Forte | and this happened |
| 05:15.32 | Forte | http://i.imgur.com/mYfLU9A.png |
| 05:15.37 | Forte | what do? |
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| 05:21.16 | gnarface | Forte: well, you could read the instructions presented and follow them instead of screenshotting them and making me read them for you, |
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| 05:21.55 | gnarface | Forte: but sda (the one you have currently selected) is the *typical* location for a single-boot setup |
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| 05:22.11 | hoverboard | does debian also utilize powertop? |
| 05:22.41 | deego | utilize? == provide? |
| 05:22.42 | deego | yeah |
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| 05:23.14 | hoverboard | are you familiar with it |
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| 05:23.34 | gnarface | Forte: it seems to be complaining about a UUID changed though, which suggests you've ... done other things to it you didn't mention |
| 05:23.45 | gnarface | Forte: (so your mileage may vary) |
| 05:23.56 | Forte | gnarface: I literally just installed LMDE |
| 05:24.10 | gnarface | LMDE = linux mint? |
| 05:24.14 | Forte | and updated/upgraded |
| 05:24.19 | Forte | obviously |
| 05:24.23 | Forte | gnarface: it will not let me select either. Nevermind though. |
| 05:24.27 | gnarface | Forte: obviously that is why its buggy then |
| 05:24.34 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Forte about mint |
| 05:24.43 | Forte | For some reason it lost sda1 |
| 05:24.55 | Forte | and I cannot figure out why the hell |
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| 05:25.00 | Forte | it keeps doing this. |
| 05:25.11 | Forte | dpkg: Not a fan? |
| 05:25.13 | dpkg | Forte: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:25.29 | gnarface | Forte: could be hardware failure, could be typical mint bullshit. this isn't our area of expertise (mint bullshit that is) but we can offer a solution that's better |
| 05:25.43 | Forte | oh... bot... |
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| 05:26.19 | deego | <hoverboard> are you familiar with it <<=== no :( |
| 05:26.29 | hoverboard | deego, thanks |
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| 05:26.59 | hoverboard | anyone else handy with powertop? |
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| 05:30.53 | Diego_90 | hi |
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| 06:49.13 | mamtina | I've just deleted some of my personal data, :'( and I want to get them back |
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| 06:49.29 | mamtina | is it possible ? |
| 06:49.37 | mamtina | Hi Wizard o/ |
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| 07:01.41 | Wizard | mamtina: Use your bckup (:P) or undelete. |
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| 08:03.03 | shingouz | I'm getting a non-zero exim paniclog, it claims that ipv6 socket creation failed, adress family not supported by protocol. my ipv6 is turned off in the kernel but how do i make exim4 not spit that? more specifically, where would the configuration sit? running testing, btw |
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| 08:14.34 | shingouz | feels stupid, the last google incantation finally found the answer: remove ::1 from local interfaces |
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| 08:18.28 | no_gravity | Hello! On one of my servers MySql was restarted last night. How would you go about finding out why it was restarted? Maybe the whole system was restarted? |
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| 08:20.38 | no_gravity | ok, "who -b" says last boot was 12 days ago. so no system restart. |
| 08:20.45 | no_gravity | how do i find out why mysql was restarted? |
| 08:20.59 | Wizard | Цхецк логс. |
| 08:21.04 | Wizard | OOps. |
| 08:21.07 | Wizard | Check logs. |
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| 08:22.39 | linux-fox | mobibot: weather ZBAA |
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| 08:24.58 | pfote | no_gravity: hard to tell, checked syslog (maybe the OOM killer killed it), checked if there's a crash dump somewhere, maybe it segfaultet for some reason |
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| 08:28.41 | no_gravity | im beginning to think this is some kind of intrusion. look at the mysql log it has some weird alter table statement: http://pastebin.com/4sE406vq |
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| 08:29.18 | Konomi | I noticed a lot of i386 dev packages want to pull in i386 libc on amd64 with multiarch is there anyway around that? |
| 08:29.22 | Konomi | example libjpeg8-dev:i386 |
| 08:29.53 | Konomi | which basically leads to stuff like this gcc : Conflicts: gcc:i386 but 4:4.8.1-3 is to be installed. |
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| 08:30.08 | Konomi | is multiarch simply not compile ready? |
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| 08:33.55 | Konomi | nevermind it's complaining about recommends |
| 08:34.23 | Konomi | aptitude that is just added --without-recommends and it stopped whining at me |
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| 09:00.09 | jelly | Konomi: it's not ready, use a separate i386 chroot |
| 09:00.19 | Konomi | yeah I do it was for a friend |
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| 09:02.58 | jelly | use a separate i386 chroot -- for a friend! |
| 09:04.16 | tormen__ | Hi. I found a small security related bug in the wiki.debian.org registration mechanism. Who to tell ? |
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| 09:10.00 | Konomi | jelly: don't think he wants to ask me to compile his stuff everytime hehe |
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| 09:16.15 | polan | hi guys |
| 09:16.23 | polan | I have modified my blacklist modprobe file |
| 09:16.30 | polan | how can I reload it without rebooting? |
| 09:16.42 | polan | for my video card |
| 09:17.34 | tormen__ | Actually never mind, it is just one misleading sentence "If this account exists an email was sent." ^^ |
| 09:18.00 | sumit__ | hi all, i have configured NAT on my pnda es to masquerade and forward the packets from wlan0 to usb0, i'm able to ping ip of usb0 of my host and wlan0 from client linux pc, but usb0 on client side looses its ip after sometime....can u help me outt |
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| 09:21.14 | Iridos | tormen__, follow link at bottom of any page, reach https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki , "bug reports" link http://bugs.debian.org/wiki.debian.org ? |
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| 09:22.08 | tormen__ | Iridos: thanks! |
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| 09:22.53 | tormen__ | Iridos: I missed the link on "team" ;) |
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| 09:23.12 | Iridos | dpkg, blacklist |
| 09:23.12 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 09:23.34 | tormen__ | Iridos: Frontpage -> "See DebianWiki/Contact if you need to contact the people running this wiki." ;) |
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| 09:27.02 | Iridos | tormen__, well, that lengthy page could also contain a link to bugreports... can you edit it? |
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| 09:36.25 | cloq | hey, my apt pkgcache.bin was corrupted and caused segfault when I tried to run update, after I deleted it, the problem went away |
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| 09:36.42 | cloq | -- does this usually happen? should I be worried there might be a bigger problem causing this? |
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| 09:39.02 | tirengarfio | how can I enable an apache module in debian? I tried "sudo a2enmod" but someone told that that depends on the distro |
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| 09:40.12 | Iridos | tirengarfio, have you looked in /etc/apache2/site* ? |
| 09:40.54 | gnarface | tirengarfio: a2enmod works as well as it does on any other distro if you install it. i think its in apache2-utils |
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| 09:42.03 | Iridos | no, it's in apache2.2-common |
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| 09:42.11 | Iridos | dpkg, apt-file |
| 09:42.12 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 09:43.01 | tirengarfio | Im in an hosted VPS. In Dreamhost. I just have this in /etc/apache2: conf.d mods-available |
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| 09:43.39 | tirengarfio | Iridos, should I install apache2.2-common? |
| 09:44.26 | gnarface | tirengarfio: apt-file tells me its just in apache2; you probably already have it |
| 09:46.26 | gnarface | tirengarfio: dreamhost is terrible |
| 09:46.36 | gnarface | tirengarfio: probably not actually debian even, fyi |
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| 09:47.26 | tirengarfio | gnarface, can you recoomend me any hosting company? The last time I asked here, I guy told me about Dreamhost, so I purchase a VPS in dreamhost |
| 09:47.46 | doed | exit |
| 09:48.21 | gnarface | tirengarfio: not really on-topic but vpslink.com did not fail me like dreamhost |
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| 09:49.06 | gnarface | tirengarfio: i needed a static ip address though too, so that skewed my decision. you may do better elsewere if you don't care about your ip or whether its shared |
| 09:49.09 | crabman | How can I upgrade only those packages that provide security updates? Does synaptic or apt-get provide such functionality? |
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| 09:50.04 | gnarface | crabman: just run stable (wheezy) |
| 09:50.16 | crabman | gnarface: too outdated packages |
| 09:52.01 | pfote | hrm, installing a .otf should be simply copying it into ~/.fonts and update the fontcache, right? |
| 09:52.14 | gnarface | crabman: you don't have a single clue where the security part comes from, do you? |
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| 09:52.23 | pfote | a .otf font i mean |
| 09:53.24 | crabman | gnarface: I know that in stable there are security updates. I wonder if patches in testing have information which could tell if the patch fixes some secrity vulnerability or not |
| 09:53.26 | pfote | nevermind, the problem is not the font but gnome-terminal |
| 09:54.40 | gnarface | crabman: you mean the changelog? yes they have that, but its not relevant because there's no meaninful way in testing or unstable to separate any security updates from the ABI/feature changes going on in parallel to the |
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| 09:54.47 | gnarface | crabman: to the system |
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| 09:55.32 | crabman | gnarface: Why is there no meaningful way to do that? The developers could mark all patches they provide as "security", "bugfix" or "new feature" |
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| 09:57.36 | gnarface | crabman: i just typed a whole long attempt to explain it and then deleted it. you need to understand the basics of code before you will understand why patches can't be automatically and instantly packaged for all versions of debian independent of the version of the softwrae they were made for |
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| 09:58.17 | gnarface | crabman: the short version is that what you're asking already happens for stable. that's the point of stable. but yes, there's no OTHER way besides that because the process can't be automated. |
| 09:59.04 | crabman | Why do you think it can't be automated? |
| 09:59.31 | gnarface | crabman: i assure you its not the "digiratti" trying to hold you back by making things too complicated. i know it can't be automated because sometimes the patches will have to be altered to work. |
| 09:59.41 | gnarface | crabman: (altered by a human who knows how to write code) |
| 09:59.43 | crabman | >digiratti |
| 09:59.47 | crabman | What the fuck is that? |
| 09:59.52 | gnarface | forget it |
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| 10:00.10 | gnarface | the patches also have to be reviewed by a human for validity |
| 10:00.19 | gnarface | otherwise how do you determine they're secure in the first place? |
| 10:00.47 | crabman | Well, why can't that human who alters the code to make it work on debian mark it as either "new feature", "bugfix" or "security update fixing a security problem introduced in patch#N" |
| 10:00.52 | gnarface | somewhere at the top of the chain, someone has to actually write this code. it doesn't just flow out of other code, like toyotas built by robots... |
| 10:01.15 | gnarface | crabman: they do that |
| 10:01.55 | gnarface | crabman: but it takes a lot more than a meta tag saying "security fix only, no updated functionality" to backport a patch from one version of a given piece of software to another that's in some cases years old |
| 10:02.17 | gnarface | crabman: so much more work in fact its almost frightening how magical and easy you conceptualize it must be |
| 10:02.22 | crabman | Why are we even talking about backporting? I am using testing. |
| 10:02.46 | gnarface | i'm aware you're not on stable |
| 10:02.54 | gnarface | but testing has different versions of the software than stable |
| 10:03.12 | gnarface | this should be fundamentally relevant, if you knew even the slightest thing about coding |
| 10:03.24 | gnarface | you said yourself the software ins table was "too old" |
| 10:03.38 | gnarface | *in stable |
| 10:03.54 | crabman | Why do you keep talking about stable when it has nothing to do with what I am talking about? |
| 10:04.12 | gnarface | its relevant, i assure you |
| 10:04.28 | crabman | How is it relevant? |
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| 10:05.28 | gnarface | you think that patches going into unstable or testing can just be double-click installed by a robot anywhere, independently of other patches alongside them. the software development process doesn't work like that though, the security patches will often be dependent upon features that aren't the security patches themselves. |
| 10:06.20 | gnarface | what you're asking is like asking why don't they just sell coffee without a cup |
| 10:07.02 | crabman | If by "installed" you mean the same thing that happens when someone does "apt-get upgrade" then yeah, it can be done so. And if that security patch together with all previous patches requires some new versions of other packages to satisfy dependencies then I'm ok with that. |
| 10:07.33 | gnarface | crabman: well its a good thing you're not in charge then because stable would be an unholy nightmare for support |
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| 10:08.39 | gnarface | crabman: what you're talking about fundamentally demands introducing potentially insecure software that hasn't been vetted yet for stability, much less safety or compatibility with other software |
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| 10:09.10 | crabman | No it wouldn't because I didn't say anything about stable at all. You keep making things up and talking about stable when it with its own system of patches doesn't have anything to do with what I am talking about. Clearly you didn't even understand the question and you just keep bragging "muh professional coding, i am super programmer, get on my level" |
| 10:09.19 | gnarface | crabman: again, if you realized that code development wasn't simple linear process of slapping together lego bricks, this would not be a struggle for you |
| 10:10.23 | tormen__ | Iridos: You're sure, because https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact explains how to file a bug |
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| 10:12.29 | [E]sc | i'm trying to upgrade my eclipse, which I downloaded via the repository, however, one of the updates requires root privileges, how do i get this? |
| 10:13.05 | crabman | [E]sc: try running eclipse with root privileges |
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| 10:14.26 | [E]sc | crabman, thanks, gksu eclipse right? |
| 10:14.41 | crabman | if you are using gnome then probably yes |
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| 10:19.51 | [E]sc | crabman, thanks. didn't open up though... |
| 10:20.11 | crabman | try just sudo eclipe (if your sudo is set up) |
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| 10:21.51 | [E]sc | crabman, got an interesting error: "No more handles [gtk_init_check() failed]". |
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| 10:24.14 | maxyz | What? why would you run eclipse as root? |
| 10:24.39 | crabman | Yeah, non-terminal applications with gui seldom work with sudo. You usually need to use gksudo/kdesu. For me kdesu eclipse works however I have eclipse not from repos but downloaded from the site. |
| 10:24.48 | crabman | Does gksu some other app work for you? |
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| 10:28.32 | [E]sc | crabman, i think it could be because of my video card drivers?....i haven't been able to get the 3D engine running on my wheezy... |
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| 10:29.41 | crabman | [E]sc: I don't think so. If eclipse works without root with your not working 3d engine, it shouldn't be the other way running with gksu. What error does gksu eclipse give you? |
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| 10:33.32 | [E]sc | crabman, this is the error that i get: http://pastebin.com/bPEJZVsY |
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| 10:37.29 | crabman | [E]sc: you enter the superuser password in gksu prompt, not your username password (which you also probably use in sudo), right? |
| 10:37.37 | oo_miguel | did lirbeoffice *replace* openoffice? |
| 10:37.44 | oo_miguel | libreoffice* |
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| 10:39.23 | brontosaurusrex | oo_miguel, yes |
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| 10:41.43 | [E]sc | crabman, i entered the correct password. |
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| 10:42.43 | tormen__ | Hi. With alsa there is "Simple mixer control 'Independent HP',0" that I can "Enable" to make sound come /only/ out of a built in built-in speaker. If this toggle is "Disabled" sound /only/ comes through my connected stereo - iff it is turned on... |
| 10:42.56 | tormen__ | Now I want to ensure to always hear some important notifications from my scripts. So with alsa I enabled the 'Independent HP', played the sound and disabled it again. How do I toggle this alsa switch with pulse and/or what would be the "pulseaudio" way to achieve my goal ? |
| 10:44.27 | crabman | [E]sc: ok, sorry, I don't know how to solve your problem. It seems to me the problem is when you run it from root, it can't find your xorg to make a window. That's how it always is with gui apps running with sudo or su, but I though gksu should solve that. |
| 10:44.29 | darsie | my firefox crashed again :( |
| 10:44.42 | darsie | iceweasel |
| 10:45.39 | [E]sc | crabman, thanks for trying... from what you are saying, this would lead me back to my original assumption, that it is the video card driver? |
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| 11:04.23 | tormen__ | darsie: what version? |
| 11:04.36 | tormen__ | darsie: what addons? |
| 11:04.45 | darsie | 24.0 |
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| 11:05.07 | flukiluke | I just ran apt-get update on a jessie system, and it's giving me Hash Sum Mismatch errors for main source and binaries. Did I break something somehow? |
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| 11:05.39 | darsie | ice-tea java, adobe shockwave flash, ... |
| 11:05.59 | darsie | running java and flash pages. |
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| 11:07.11 | darsie | gnome-shell-intergration (?), skype buttons for Kopete (?), downloadhelper, flashblock, toggle animated gifs. |
| 11:07.16 | ksk | flukiluke: works for me. you may want to try another mirror |
| 11:07.37 | darsie | (?)= not installed by me and don't need it. |
| 11:07.40 | flukiluke | ksk: This is the third one I've tried. |
| 11:08.09 | crabman | [E]sc: I don't think it has anything to do with video driver. Try searching on the internet "linux run gui applications as root" or something like that. I think it has something to do with root not being a member of some group or something like that. |
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| 11:09.16 | crabman | [E]sc: also you can try gksudo instead of gksu |
| 11:09.28 | ksk | flukiluke: so maybe there is some man in the middle? no idea, sorry.. |
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| 11:11.41 | [E]sc | crabman, thanks. i'll give that a try. |
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| 11:14.34 | omarek | Hi, is there a straightforward way to get a log of packages installed via apt-get ? Even better, including those downloaded and installed via dpkg ? |
| 11:14.34 | babilen | flukiluke: Which mirror? Could you try it again a couple of times? |
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| 11:16.51 | flukiluke | babilen: I've tried it on http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/, http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ and http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/. No luck, even with multiple goes. |
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| 11:18.10 | brilliant_ | omarek: somewhere there is a directory with all that stuff |
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| 11:18.54 | babilen | flukiluke: Guess that the Australian mirrors are syncing. You might want to try http.debian.net or, say, a mirror in Asia (e.g. in Singapore) |
| 11:18.57 | darsie | looks like my iceweasel/add ons have a memory leak. %MEM=75% |
| 11:19.13 | crabman | My laptop suddenly rebooted during work, then rebooted when loading debian, then rebooted right after grub screen. Does that sound like overheating or something else? |
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| 11:20.14 | zinx | crabman: could be about anythnig tbqh |
| 11:20.34 | zinx | crabman: i've had everything from HDs to bad USB cards cause all sorts of crazy stuff |
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| 11:20.57 | zinx | crabman: i would expect power supply or overheating would be likely in your case, though |
| 11:22.04 | crabman | Does having absolutely nothing about it in dmesg logs reduce the possibilities? |
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| 11:24.33 | shingouz | maybe in the bootlog if you have it installed (?) |
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| 11:25.10 | flukiluke | babilen: Thanks a ton for that! All good now. |
| 11:25.43 | crabman | didn't have it installe, will install now |
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| 11:31.12 | shingouz | crabman: please note that i am just guessing, maybe your computer goes down so fast nothing registers on the logs. if that is the case, i think you just need to use the force to pinpoint the problem |
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| 11:32.50 | themill | flukiluke: those mirrors are known to be pretty crap. You might like to use http.debian.net |
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| 11:39.26 | Pedr0 | hi all there is a way to change the root username ? |
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| 11:41.35 | babilen | Pedr0: What are you trying to achieve by doing that? It can surely be done, but I have no idea what you would break by doing that. |
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| 11:42.09 | Pedr0 | babilen: that why I ask here before to do that |
| 11:42.11 | Pedr0 | lol |
| 11:42.34 | frank1985 | hey all, running debian 7.1, using it as a launch pad to pxe boot XBMC, now it boots just fine, but when it tries to use nbd for the OS image, it borks completely. apparently some folk using that which shall not be named and it seemed to break once the file size exceeded 200mb, which this does (300mb approx) - any ideas on where I can go from here? |
| 11:43.10 | frank1985 | that second bit makes no sense whatsoever -.- |
| 11:43.26 | Pedr0 | babilen: I just want to harden more a server |
| 11:43.26 | ese | ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 11:43.53 | ese | uq´ ¿23cw|nb¿,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,},,,,,,ou,gvb,{óu |
| 11:43.53 | ese | A<, |
| 11:44.11 | frank1985 | these are my logs: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/0a78438c - if it helps |
| 11:44.26 | sjamaan | ese: Get your cat off your keyboard ;) |
| 11:44.29 | Linuxman | Pedr0:here's an article on changing it: |
| 11:44.33 | Linuxman | http://tinyurl.com/6fhnxzc |
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| 11:45.54 | Pedr0 | many thkx Linuxman |
| 11:46.08 | Linuxman | AFAIK it won't break anything btw |
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| 11:46.31 | Linuxman | You're welcome |
| 11:47.24 | babilen | Pedr0: You won't achieve that by renaming root to something else. |
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| 11:50.32 | cthuluh | Pedr0: changing the root username seems like a weird idea, but you can have several accounts with uid 0 |
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| 11:51.20 | petern_ | I remember PCI-DSS likes you to change default usernames and such like... |
| 11:52.10 | petern_ | As a security standard, it is oddly fond of security-by-obscurity. |
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| 11:53.55 | jelly | obscurity is a valid step in a comprehensive security plan |
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| 11:58.26 | OpenTokix | jelly: no |
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| 11:58.37 | ksk | OpenTokix: sure it is in the real world |
| 11:58.41 | OpenTokix | ksk: no |
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| 11:58.50 | OpenTokix | ksk: in the security illusion world maybe |
| 11:58.59 | OpenTokix | ksk: Where managers and untalented admins works and live. |
| 11:59.11 | ksk | if you want some certificates for your hosting company (in germany) you have to ;) |
| 11:59.27 | Pedr0 | babilen: cthuluh: So ... What is the security best practice regarding the root account ??? |
| 11:59.34 | OpenTokix | ksk: Certficates == not security |
| 11:59.55 | Pedr0 | for a web server where nothing run with this account |
| 11:59.56 | babilen | Pedr0: Have a good password and don't allow remote logins as root. Also don't tell other people your password. |
| 12:00.25 | Pedr0 | babilen: already done |
| 12:00.32 | OpenTokix | Pedr0: Disable password för root account, if you need direct login use only ssh-key |
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| 12:00.35 | cthuluh | then why do you care? |
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| 12:03.23 | babilen | OpenTokix: SSH security is a complete separate discussion |
| 12:04.17 | OpenTokix | babilen: so there is different compartments? |
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| 12:08.14 | ksk | OpenTokix: security plan != security :> |
| 12:08.26 | babilen | OpenTokix: compartments? |
| 12:08.30 | OpenTokix | ksk: exactly |
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| 12:08.49 | Xat` | hi guys |
| 12:08.55 | OpenTokix | babilen: thinking about the password or not on root account, is connected to how you can access the machine for using that root account etc. |
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| 12:09.24 | Xat` | how to inform dpkg database that my conf file is not toto.conf anymore, but now tata.conf |
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| 12:11.46 | Pedr0 | cthuluh: I just want to limit the identification of accounts with privilege |
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| 12:13.48 | Pedr0 | cthulhu: My main threat is not by remote, but from the internal |
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| 12:16.09 | cthuluh | Pedr0: bad luck, rms didn't like the wheel group :) |
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| 12:16.25 | OpenTokix | Pedr0: Intresting problem, are you using some kind of configuration managmentsystem? |
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| 12:17.27 | jordilopezamat1 | hello, dear #debian community |
| 12:17.32 | wjtaylor_ | How would I set up a mailserver to pop mail off a yahoo/gmail account and forward to a postfix box? |
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| 12:32.10 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: fetchmail/procmail IIRC |
| 12:32.41 | wjtaylor_ | can they run on the same box as dovecot/postfix? |
| 12:32.57 | jelly | also, gmail has forwards and I bet yahoo does too |
| 12:33.04 | wjtaylor_ | I can create a new vm otherwise |
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| 12:34.46 | gnarface | arecord: pcm_read:1801: read error: Input/output error |
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| 12:35.47 | gnarface | i get this trying to record from the digital input on this CMI8738-M6 |
| 12:36.00 | Pedr0 | OpenTokix: no just a web server share with some developpers .. |
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| 12:36.52 | wjtaylor_ | jelly: I'm trying to forward to a home postfix. so I have to forward to another gmail, pop, then forward to my postfix.... this is just to test a mail setup |
| 12:37.00 | Pedr0 | wjtaylor_: prim resolution ? |
| 12:37.09 | Pedr0 | wjtaylor_: :-P |
| 12:37.26 | wjtaylor_ | Pedr0: prim? not sure what that means. |
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| 12:37.28 | wjtaylor_ | ;P |
| 12:38.00 | war9407 | em: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on sysv-rc |
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| 12:38.03 | war9407 | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 12:40.28 | Pedr0 | wjtaylor_:"prism" sorry |
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| 12:41.11 | jhutchins | war9407: Decide which distribution you're using and stick to taht. |
| 12:41.12 | wjtaylor_ | Pedro: is that a mail app? |
| 12:41.16 | jelly | wjtaylor_: does your "home postfix" have a static ip address? |
| 12:41.59 | wjtaylor_ | jelly: No, and it needs some work... I'm trying to get it to send / receive via a gmail account until it's ready and then I'll host. |
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| 12:42.23 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: better if you highlight me :) |
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| 12:42.54 | qasket | allo allo |
| 12:42.55 | jelly | hands wjtaylor with a tail over to abrotman |
| 12:42.56 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: oops |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: you can't forward to your home mail server, your ISP blocks 25 inbound I'm fairly certain |
| 12:43.21 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: you can pull via fetchmail if you want to do that |
| 12:43.23 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: exactly, that's why i'm trying to pop off gmail or something... then I'll forward to postfix |
| 12:43.42 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: I have postfix configured to send mail through gmail... |
| 12:43.52 | jelly | run postfix on a machine with an actual static ip and point your MX there |
| 12:43.56 | jhutchins | wjtaylor_: Do you have some objection to fetchmail? |
| 12:44.15 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: i thought you had exim configured? |
| 12:44.15 | jelly | keeping it on a dynamic ip is just an exercise in futility these days |
| 12:44.30 | abrotman | jelly: his ISP blocks 25 in/out AFAIK |
| 12:44.34 | abrotman | definitely out |
| 12:44.36 | wjtaylor_ | jelly: not till it's ready... VPS is $20/mo... which is fine if it works... but $20/ for something that doesn't work is not ok. |
| 12:44.50 | jelly | wjtaylor_: mine's $2/month |
| 12:44.55 | wjtaylor_ | jelly: I have a domain that points to dyndns |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | he's not paying attentnion is he? |
| 12:45.08 | jelly | that's not useful |
| 12:45.09 | wjtaylor_ | jelly: vps or hosting? |
| 12:45.15 | jelly | wjtaylor_: vps. |
| 12:45.24 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: I don't think so |
| 12:45.38 | Kenta | OVH is awesome if anyone is looking for a host... though they're still not accepting new orders. |
| 12:45.41 | jelly | and that's in europe |
| 12:45.46 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: google disagrees |
| 12:45.51 | jhutchins | The only provider I've hit in the past five years that doesn't have effectively static IPs is telemex. |
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| 12:46.00 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: google "comcast blocked ports" first link |
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| 12:46.23 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: 25 is indeed blocked. I've already worked around that. |
| 12:46.37 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: it's now a config issue to pop and forward to postfix. |
| 12:46.54 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: it works very well... for a test system. |
| 12:46.59 | jelly | Kenta: I seem to remember OVH giving new customers reused, blacklisted IP addresses |
| 12:47.09 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: you helped me last night :) |
| 12:47.15 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: this is way way too much work for a problem that goes away when you have a VPS |
| 12:47.28 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: I'm cheap |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: i'm saying that you're doing things that won't be needed as soon as you go to a VPS |
| 12:47.54 | abrotman | a lot of things |
| 12:48.12 | abrotman | jhutchins: Comcast doesn't have static, it has leases for a few days, but not static |
| 12:48.13 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: understood. |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | you might be cheap, but my own willingness to help in setting up an old-school fetchmail pop3 style setup fall rapidly with availability of cheap VPSes |
| 12:48.36 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: if you'd have started this on the VPS, you'd have been done three days ago :) |
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| 12:48.55 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: godaddy->dyndns->dynamic ip... works great when I host, I just change my godaddy dns |
| 12:49.11 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 12:49.34 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: No, the project is started yet... I have to intigrate several components into the box |
| 12:49.40 | wjtaylor_ | getting mail is just to test |
| 12:50.14 | wjtaylor_ | which is why I don't want to pay |
| 12:50.19 | abrotman | is pretty sure this could have all been done internally to home, and not involved smtp auth and fetchmail |
| 12:50.48 | wjtaylor_ | How would I get spam into my test server? |
| 12:50.56 | jelly | !gtube |
| 12:50.57 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: ^^ |
| 12:51.10 | jelly | dpkg: I am disappoint. |
| 12:51.10 | dpkg | jelly: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 12:51.55 | jelly | wjtaylor_: send yourself a message with a standard gtube test body |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: gtube and eicar are readily available |
| 12:52.26 | abrotman | dpkg: eicar |
| 12:52.26 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 12:52.30 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 12:52.48 | mumpitze1 | is there a tool to read VESA DDC from a monitor/display? will it tell me what panel it is? |
| 12:52.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:53.13 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman jelly:can I use gtube with dspam |
| 12:53.27 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: thank you. can you tell me the name of it? |
| 12:53.35 | jelly | wjtaylor_: try it and see. |
| 12:53.35 | abrotman | mumpitze1: if i understand your question, i think it's read-edid .. i may have misunderstood |
| 12:53.56 | tormen__ | darsie: I am also on 24, try disableing : gnome-shell-intergration (?), skype buttons for Kopete (?), downloadhelper, flashblock, toggle animated gifs |
| 12:54.15 | mumpitze1 | I look for a way to check the built in panel in a laptop. I need to see its type/model number AUO.... or LGxxxxxx or similar |
| 12:54.26 | mumpitze1 | and yes, I think read-edid it is, if anything will work |
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| 12:54.49 | darsie | torax: I did. no leak now. Now I'm about to reanable addons in groups. |
| 12:55.12 | tormen__ | darsie: I only activate downloadhelper on these days, when I need it, slows things down a lot! |
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| 13:14.39 | oo_miguel | In my /var/log directory there is a debug, dmesg, kern.log and syslog file. Where can I learn what are their purposes and differences between them? |
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| 13:16.51 | oo_miguel | ah and a messages file |
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| 13:20.32 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: Reading the messages in each for a start. Also looking at /etc/rsyslog.conf (or whichever syslog.conf you have) and reading the related man pages. |
| 13:20.52 | g105b | when I run a ./configure, I get the error checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-': machine `x86_64-unknown-linux' not recognized |
| 13:21.07 | g105b | Is there something I can do to tell the configure script what OS this is? |
| 13:22.22 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: the files just looked very redundant to me at a first glance |
| 13:22.31 | oo_miguel | thats why I ask. but I will have a more detailed look now :) |
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| 13:26.07 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: Yes, they are redundant. Same messages grouped differently for different purposes. |
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| 13:26.55 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: Logs in the RedHat tree tend to be cleaner. |
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| 13:35.17 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: I would like to learn about this different purposes |
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| 13:36.03 | oo_miguel | ah but I see that the rsyslog.conf will answeer some of my questions, as you told me |
| 13:37.36 | oo_miguel | all the files I asked for,exepting dmesg are listed there.. |
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| 13:39.24 | Mattx | does anybody have problems with chrome eating all the memory after a while? it seems it has a memory leak or something |
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| 13:39.59 | Mattx | not just the memory but the swap as well, I have to close it and manually run swapoff -a; swapon -a :| |
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| 13:41.36 | [E]sc | Mattx, yeah i have that problem too...they say you need to reboot the chrome after a while...it sucks up a lot of ram...especially if you use the private browsing.. |
| 13:41.59 | Mattx | hmn, they said so? |
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| 13:42.50 | Mattx | I guess they don't really use chrome because it's painful, why isn't if fixed already? u.u |
| 13:43.28 | [E]sc | people online... http://web-browsers.knoji.com/how-to-fix-memory-leak-in-google-chrome/ |
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| 13:45.12 | Mattx | hahaha |
| 13:45.20 | Mattx | empty browser history and cache every 5 minutes |
| 13:45.23 | Mattx | wtf? |
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| 13:45.49 | Mattx | restart chrome very so often.. seriously? |
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| 13:46.06 | gchristensen | Mattx: EVERY FIVE MINUTES OR MORE! puh-lease. |
| 13:46.17 | jhutchins | I run multiple chrome windows all day without any problems. |
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| 13:46.32 | Mattx | last tip: upgrade your PC, buy at least 1TB of ram lol |
| 13:46.58 | Mattx | jhutchins, what version? I think I'm going to downgrade if necessary |
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| 13:47.51 | Cyis | Mattx: I'm running 30.0.1599.114 with multiple tabs opened and I rarely close it down |
| 13:48.10 | Mattx | ok.. upgrade in this case, I have 27 |
| 13:48.13 | Mattx | v27 * |
| 13:48.14 | DammitJim | what is 30.0.1599.114? |
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| 13:48.34 | DammitJim | oohhh... raster is in |
| 13:49.00 | Cyis | Mattx: I follow the stable dist on dl.google.com for Chrome |
| 13:49.04 | Mattx | Cyis, google-chrome-stable in my repos (debian testing) is v27, what OS are you in? |
| 13:49.09 | Mattx | ah, I see |
| 13:49.38 | DammitJim | Version 29.0.1547.57 Built on Debian 7.1, running on Debian 7.2 (217859) |
| 13:49.48 | DammitJim | oh, I got chromium, not google-chrome |
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| 13:50.50 | jelly | google's latest30.0.1599.101-1 google-chrome-stable package for wheezy has broken dependencies on i386 and is uninstallable |
| 13:51.14 | jelly | it's not hard to fix the control file tho |
| 13:51.32 | Mattx | Cyis, do they have a repository or you installed it using the deb in dl.google.com? I can't find it |
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| 13:51.59 | jelly | Mattx: the deb package sets up their repo. |
| 13:52.09 | Mattx | cool |
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| 13:53.15 | jhutchins | Mattx: Looks like 11.2. |
| 13:54.36 | Cyis | Mattx: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
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| 13:55.17 | Cyis | Mattx: package installed that at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list |
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| 13:56.38 | Mattx | installing, thanks :) |
| 13:58.26 | Cyis | I also have at least 4 active addon extensions running as well. Google Voice, Lastpass, OpsView and Vimium |
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| 14:05.44 | StickYnOse | my keyboard doesn't workd anymore |
| 14:06.09 | StickYnOse | i'm typing but it's just generating typo's |
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| 14:08.50 | StickYnOse | and my load is increasing.. could this be related? |
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| 14:10.17 | iguano | http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/ |
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| 14:10.54 | iguano | http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/ |
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| 14:12.08 | hramrach | hello |
| 14:12.20 | sjamaan | maw hramrach :) |
| 14:12.33 | hramrach | maw maw |
| 14:12.48 | hramrach | what are you doing in Loonixland :o |
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| 14:13.29 | hramrach | anyone has some ide how to set up mutiple IP addresses on a network card in Debian? |
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| 14:14.04 | sjamaan | hramrach: I'm seriously considering a switch away from NetBSD. It's become unworkable for me |
| 14:14.10 | hramrach | there is this alias facility ifconfig has but I did not find no ducumentation whatsoever how to st it up using the debian config files |
| 14:14.46 | hramrach | sjamaan: there is always FreeBSD. easier switch path I guess |
| 14:14.53 | sjamaan | On redhat you can just copy the /etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg:eth0 to ifcfg:eth0:0 iirc |
| 14:15.02 | hramrach | but a bit OT here |
| 14:15.07 | StickYnOse | or debian bsd... |
| 14:15.31 | sjamaan | StickYnOse: I'm tired of fighting |
| 14:15.31 | hramrach | yeah, there is this GNU/kfreebsd Debian port |
| 14:15.40 | sjamaan | It's just pain all the way |
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| 14:15.46 | sjamaan | Everyone assumes the default |
| 14:15.51 | sjamaan | Which is GNU/Linux |
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| 14:16.06 | hramrach | you never get the default setup, anyway |
| 14:16.08 | sjamaan | I need to get work done, not noodle around with the OS |
| 14:16.13 | hramrach | so in the end you keep fighting |
| 14:16.36 | StickYnOse | i had less typo's on debain bsd.. |
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| 14:16.57 | StickYnOse | maybe it was because of the bad noodle soup though |
| 14:17.23 | sjamaan | heh |
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| 14:17.26 | hramrach | sjamaan: you want a working OS? |
| 14:17.39 | hramrach | I saw it once. I was watching a sci-fi movie |
| 14:17.47 | sjamaan | Yes. And no, Windows does not fit my definition of "working" |
| 14:18.17 | hramrach | the fact is nothing does for me. it's just different flavour of breakage |
| 14:18.18 | sharky_ | sjamaan, you can have a virtual machine on your stable debian for playing with all other os's :D |
| 14:18.42 | StickYnOse | sjamaan: dod you ever tried "Blickensderfer No. 5" |
| 14:18.50 | sjamaan | I know. That's a good thing, because I do intend to keep CHICKEN (my main OS project) functional on BSD |
| 14:19.03 | sjamaan | And maybe finally get some progress on it for Windows, too |
| 14:19.21 | sjamaan | (virtual machines are unusable on NetBSD, so I haven't been able to do that) |
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| 14:19.35 | hramrach | Does not NetBSD do Xen? |
| 14:19.37 | StickYnOse | i feel really productive on my Blickensderfer No. 5 |
| 14:19.40 | sjamaan | hey look, milosn_ is here too :) |
| 14:19.53 | hramrach | I am runinng both Xen and kvm |
| 14:20.00 | sjamaan | hramrach: It does, but that's a pain too as you need to set aside memory for the guest, and X doesn't work on the host etc |
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| 14:20.21 | sjamaan | brb |
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| 14:20.50 | hramrach | well, X does on work linux/xen |
| 14:21.12 | hramrach | but kvm is way easier for experimenting |
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| 14:24.05 | hramrach | sjamaan: also some linux distributions tend to have more BSD-like configuration than Debian so at least short term would be easier to use |
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| 14:26.05 | jordilopezamat | dear #debian community |
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| 14:27.10 | jordilopezamat | i'm having problems with my browser ... due to (damned) flashplugin-nonfree .. I removed it... Always i re-install it i'm getting : Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.2) ... version ? |
| 14:27.45 | jordilopezamat | how can i get the latest flashplugin-nonree (1:3:3) ? thanks for your attention |
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| 14:28.31 | jelly | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:28.32 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2+squeeze1; wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.3; sid/contrib: 1:3.3 |
| 14:28.59 | halp435 | When running apt-get update on my VPS, I'm getting a "W: Duplicate sources.list entry" error. However when I "nano /etc/apt/sources.list", that source isn't there |
| 14:29.06 | halp435 | Is there somewhere else that sources are listed? |
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| 14:29.14 | jelly | jordilopezamat: that package is just a downloader. Actual flash functionality gets downloaded from Adobe |
| 14:29.20 | petern_ | sources.list.d |
| 14:29.44 | jordilopezamat | ah ... jelly :-/ |
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| 14:30.18 | jordilopezamat | (now i have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 14:30.18 | jordilopezamat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.59 | petern_ | Better to use the specific release name rather than 'stable', unless you like surprises. |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 14:31.27 | jordilopezamat | thanks petern_ , abrotman |
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| 14:32.19 | hramrach | ok, you just add the aliased interface as well and hope |
| 14:32.20 | halp435 | petern_: so nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d? It's not in there either |
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| 14:32.42 | petern_ | That's a directory |
| 14:32.44 | hramrach | will see how that keeps working when ifconfig is finally removed |
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| 14:36.10 | justinas | Good morning, guys. |
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| 14:36.17 | reuf | hello does anyoone know if i can have ibm aix running on virtual box which runs on x86_64 machine? |
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| 14:36.56 | justinas | I have a question concerning the SecureBoost. When is Debian going to provide signed kernels and signed boot loader? |
| 14:37.07 | justinas | *Secure Boot |
| 14:37.21 | hramrach | there is signed grub |
| 14:37.35 | justinas | Really, where? |
| 14:38.36 | hramrach | grub-efi-amd64-signed |
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| 14:39.03 | sharky_ | reuf, https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes but probably better ask in #virtualbox or so |
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| 14:39.21 | justinas | I am looking what Jessie has, and I can see only grub-efi-amd64-bin |
| 14:39.21 | halp435 | petern_: I can see it's a directory, but that's where you said the other source may be :P |
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| 14:40.14 | hramrach | hmm, it's a pacakge from Ubuntu |
| 14:40.16 | petern_ | Right, I suppose I hadn't considered opening a directory in a text editor... |
| 14:40.46 | justinas | Aha, and this signed grub will most likely want a signed kernel, no? :-) |
| 14:40.58 | hramrach | not likely |
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| 14:42.39 | hramrach | it will be awkward to use but if you do not know how to turn off signed boot on your device it might be helpful |
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| 14:43.30 | jhutchins | justinas: It might happen if you put up the money for the license, but it probably doesn't comply with the Debian free software standard. |
| 14:43.52 | justinas | The thing is that turning off the signed boot may no longer be an option. Even now Windows 8.1 warns about the lack of Secure boot. |
| 14:43.56 | jordilopezamat | abrotman, after yours 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' and 'dpkg -l | grep -i flash' ... i'm still getting older version instead... :-/ am I missing something ? thanks again |
| 14:44.12 | jhutchins | justinas: Solution: Don't run Windows. |
| 14:44.30 | justinas | Thank you. I need that for job. Money maker. |
| 14:44.31 | reuf | sharky_, thanks |
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| 14:45.02 | justinas | The solution is to sign stuff. |
| 14:45.25 | jhutchins | justinas: It's not that simple. You should read up on the details of SecureBoot. |
| 14:45.32 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: yes, you're missing something |
| 14:45.33 | jhutchins | justinas: Money must change hands. |
| 14:46.17 | justinas | I have read it forwards and backwards. Enough to ponder my own home-made signed boot, but this could be quite fragile if anything updates. |
| 14:46.28 | hramrach | so secure boot testifies that somebody paid money to sign the OS/bootloader/malware/whatever |
| 14:46.44 | hramrach | much like other 'secure' schemes |
| 14:46.44 | sharky_ | reuf, ;) |
| 14:46.57 | jordilopezamat | ok... abrotman, could it be this one : wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.3; ? |
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| 14:47.08 | jordilopezamat | thanks again |
| 14:47.44 | justinas | hramrach: Not necessarily. Secure boot ensures that this said "malware" loads untampered. |
| 14:47.55 | jordilopezamat | (then, should i tweak my sources.lst in order to get jessie/contrib: 1:3.3; flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 14:48.06 | jordilopezamat | ...i guess) :-/ |
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| 14:48.46 | hramrach | untampered by anybody who did not pay to get their malware signed |
| 14:49.37 | jordilopezamat | thas was my guess... |
| 14:49.38 | justinas | Well, yes. Even during the kernel boot, if kernel checks if its modules are properly signed, it can load a module which is signed by, say, the M$ key. |
| 14:49.56 | justinas | It's a probability. |
| 14:50.40 | justinas | Depends on how this chain of trust is organized. |
| 14:51.52 | hramrach | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/16280.html |
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| 14:52.20 | justinas | Saw that. |
| 14:52.26 | justinas | That's the option I consider. |
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| 15:06.52 | hydax | If I do apt-get remove libreoffice*, apt says it will remove gnome and gnome-desktop - can I do that and then reinstall gnome, or will doing that break gnome?? |
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| 15:09.45 | hramrach | hydax: maybe gnome-desktop wants libreoffice for authoring documents? |
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| 15:10.52 | hydax | hramrach: ??maybe - I'm not sure why gnome would need to be removed if I remove libreoffice.... |
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| 15:12.35 | hramrach | hydax: because it depends on libreoffice because whover made the gnome metapackage thought that writing documents is something people might want to do in gnome |
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| 15:13.24 | debianme | hello is there a most welcome software lists on debian? |
| 15:14.04 | jhutchins | !popcon |
| 15:14.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
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| 15:20.52 | tormen__ | Hi. I am seeing kernel warnings about ata3.00 and ata3, how can I determine what disk/controller they refer to ? |
| 15:21.13 | hramrach | browse /sys |
| 15:21.40 | tormen__ | hramrach: I did, but I don't get it :( |
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| 15:23.12 | tormen__ | hramrach: hmm, ok, I guess that should be the controller that holds the ata3 port, right? /sys/class/ata_port/ata3/device/host3/scsi_host/host3 |
| 15:23.43 | hramrach | on host3 you should be able to get disk info |
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| 15:24.11 | hramrach | in target* |
| 15:24.59 | hramrach | eg cat /sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:1f.2/ata5/host4/target4\:0\:0/4\:0\:0\:0/model |
| 15:25.25 | hramrach | note that here the ata and scsi hosts don't match |
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| 15:26.31 | hramrach | and you can get the ATA controller in the PCI nodes somewhere or match with lspci |
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| 15:27.27 | tormen__ | hramrach: oh cool, thanks, I found it: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/ata3/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/model |
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| 15:28.18 | tormen__ | hramrach: at least under devices there was jsut 1 ata3, with just 1 host* and just one target* and just one *:*:*:* in it ... so I guess the one I found must be it... ? |
| 15:28.49 | hramrach | tormen__: lspci should tell you what 00:1f.5 is if you are in doubt |
| 15:29.06 | hramrach | yes, there should be only one ata3 |
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| 15:30.02 | tormen__ | hramrach: ok, thanks. I also found the concerned linux/kernel disk name: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/ata3/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/block/sdd |
| 15:30.32 | hramrach | good luck with diagnosing your disk :) |
| 15:30.39 | tormen__ | hramrach: cool. Many thanks!!!!! |
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| 15:31.47 | StephenS | Weezy |
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| 15:32.57 | tormen__ | StephenS: s/W/Wh/ rocks :) |
| 15:33.05 | StephenS | wheezy f f |
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| 15:35.37 | rendar | i just did 'apt-get upgrade' from squeeze to wheezy, and now i must do apt-get dist-upgrade, but i want to do that tomorrow...will i incur in some problems if i reboot without a dist-upgrade at this point? |
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| 15:35.52 | StephenS | rendar: yes |
| 15:35.56 | StephenS | Your machine is going to explode |
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| 15:36.04 | rendar | lol |
| 15:36.24 | rendar | StephenS, i'm serious, i want to avoid conflicts or such things |
| 15:36.34 | StephenS | ~tias |
| 15:36.34 | apt | Try it and see! You will learn more, and probably have a better feeling of satisfaction, if you experiment with simple cases to learn a language than you will by asking yes or no questions. |
| 15:37.34 | rendar | StephenS, i think 'tias' can't be applied here, because for observe that future state, i have to enter that state which is irreversible, so there's no "try" :D |
| 15:37.51 | StephenS | you always can do system restore |
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| 15:39.13 | rendar | StephenS, since i have very important working stuff here, i don't want to incur in any kind of problems, so if avoding a dist-upgrade could cause any pain i'll do that now, otherwise tomorrow.. |
| 15:39.53 | StephenS | rendar: I never experienced similar case, so I would wait for someone else to help you further one |
| 15:40.00 | StephenS | so you can't blame me afterall :) |
| 15:40.04 | rendar | ahahah |
| 15:40.05 | rendar | ok |
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| 15:40.19 | mad | Is anyone using the BeagleBone black in here? |
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| 15:40.53 | hramrach | mad: 1) do you have problem with it? if so say what problem |
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| 15:41.01 | rendar | btw i''ve almost finished the space on /, what i could move in another mount point (another disk or partition) ? /usr ? |
| 15:41.04 | hramrach | 2) probably #debian-arm |
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| 15:42.09 | hramrach | rendar: when you are done with upgrade and verify stuff works you can remove the apt cache which is probably huge by now |
| 15:42.36 | mad | hramrach: 2) Thanks |
| 15:43.00 | rendar | hramrach, i see, does that cache will be removed after a reboot, or i have to do that manually? |
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| 15:43.23 | hramrach | rendar: that depends on your apt settings and does not depend on reboot |
| 15:43.59 | hramrach | but reboot will free used but deleted libraries which might also be large depending on the amount of stuff you are running |
| 15:44.28 | rendar | hramrach, i see |
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| 15:45.43 | rendar | hramrach, otherwise i can do that manually by apt-get cache clean ? |
| 15:45.55 | phox | hey, anyone know offhand where bash-completion on Debian would be configured to dump its temp files to? |
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| 15:46.13 | hramrach | rendar: read the apt-get man page. the command differs slightly |
| 15:46.30 | hramrach | phox: /tmp |
| 15:46.41 | hramrach | well, somewhere under /tmp |
| 15:46.51 | rendar | ok |
| 15:46.59 | phox | hramrach: specific dir under there? any idea of the format? looking at replacing maybe just part of /tmp with tmpfs |
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| 15:48.02 | hramrach | phox: you can try some inotify or whatever on /tmp |
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| 15:48.46 | hramrach | iirc it dumps the file just in root probably using something like mktemp() |
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| 15:49.19 | hramrach | it does so for ever even most basic completion in my experience |
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| 15:50.59 | phox | hramrach: strace -f on bash would probably be more informative |
| 15:51.10 | phox | and yeah mktemp would make sense |
| 15:51.12 | phox | cool, thanks |
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| 15:54.43 | dashs | I'm a regular expression idiot -- can I get some help with one? |
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| 15:55.53 | dashs | Need one that is 8 lower case hexe chars folooed by a real dot followed by any number of chars ending in ".us" |
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| 15:57.45 | jelly | dashs: which language? |
| 15:57.55 | dashs | perl (spamassassin) |
| 15:57.58 | jelly | (which regexp variant) |
| 15:58.00 | jelly | right |
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| 15:58.44 | jelly | dashs: /^[0-9a-f]{8}\..*\.us$/ |
| 15:59.01 | dashs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.35 | jelly | "any number" might be zero, here |
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| 16:16.49 | rendar | i got E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) -- after a dist-upgrade, i've read the man page, but how to solve this correctly? |
| 16:17.48 | blast_hardcheese | Having an issue with debian live; The first time I build the image, everything works fine, I get a live image out. When I alter the configuration, the manual suggests lb clean --binary, then when I run lb build again I get an error installing the linux-image |
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| 16:18.34 | blast_hardcheese | I've been tracking the config in git, so if I do a git clean -fdx, (effectively remove everything but the config directory), lb build runs successfully, it just has to re-cache everything which takes forever. |
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| 16:19.25 | blast_hardcheese | The exact error is "cp: cannot stat `chroot/boot/vmlinuz-*': No such file or directory" |
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| 16:19.32 | oblio | hulo |
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| 16:19.49 | drhouse123 | oblio: hola |
| 16:20.07 | oblio | i have a wheezy box that's doing some weirdness. i'm trying to compile a python module and getting back things like can't find stdarg.h and limits.h |
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| 16:21.35 | blast_hardcheese | oblio: obvious question is do you have build-essential and python-dev installed? |
| 16:21.41 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: yep |
| 16:21.50 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: it just occurred to me that it might be a problem with the module itself |
| 16:21.54 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: i'm going to try a previous version |
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| 16:22.01 | blast_hardcheese | gotcha |
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| 16:24.00 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: nope, same thing |
| 16:24.12 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: something is clearly misconfigured somehow |
| 16:24.31 | blast_hardcheese | I'm still just hoping for help with my debian-live issue |
| 16:25.12 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: what's your debian-live issue? |
| 16:25.43 | blast_hardcheese | lb config [...] && lb build works fine, lb clean --binary && lb build fails to install the kernel |
| 16:25.58 | oblio | you pasted the output anywhere? |
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| 16:27.03 | blast_hardcheese | http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2013-10-26/build.log |
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| 16:28.12 | blast_hardcheese | That's after running lb binary (I just ran lb build with no changes to my config, binary is the stage that it fails at) |
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| 16:29.57 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: and nothing is in chroot/boot ? |
| 16:30.02 | blast_hardcheese | correct |
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| 16:30.56 | blast_hardcheese | I just went into the chroot and installed a kernel manually, going to see if clean uninstalls that package as well. |
| 16:31.03 | justaguy | Then you think YAY debian 6 upgrade to 7 is going good |
| 16:31.04 | justaguy | update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/bin/aptitude-curses because link group aptitude is broken |
| 16:32.00 | petern_ | Simple... apt-get purge aptitude |
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| 16:32.11 | blast_hardcheese | justaguy: just while true; do aptitude -y safe-upgrade; done ;) |
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| 16:32.39 | blast_hardcheese | when you've safe-upgraded around 4 or 5 times your system should be mostly upgraded |
| 16:32.48 | justaguy | Can anyone confirm that blast_hardcheese isn't going to troll me with that command and it is real |
| 16:33.11 | blast_hardcheese | justaguy: I wouldn't suggest actually doing it in a loop like that, and that command won't fix your current problem. |
| 16:33.46 | nighter | 1 |
| 16:33.49 | blast_hardcheese | basically suggesting a possible upgrade path from n to n+1 in the future. I don't know what you did, I assume dist-upgrade, which is a more direct (but more dangerous) solution. |
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| 16:33.55 | Cyis | justaguy: if you follow any command given online without understanding what it does you kinda expect to be trolled |
| 16:34.06 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: is there any way to get "lb build" to be more verbose? |
| 16:34.24 | blast_hardcheese | oblio: lb build takes no options other than --force, as far as I can tell. |
| 16:34.26 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: i mean it seems evident that the build failed, right |
| 16:34.30 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: what about in the config file? |
| 16:34.49 | oblio | er in config/ |
| 16:34.52 | blast_hardcheese | oh hey, look at that |
| 16:34.58 | blast_hardcheese | good call |
| 16:35.47 | blast_hardcheese | Let's try this again |
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| 16:43.38 | unclezipper_ | Hey, I just installed Debian 7 with XFCE through the netinstaller on an old Dell Latitude D800. The wireless card seems to not work, do I need to install extra drivers? |
| 16:44.05 | blast_hardcheese | !help |
| 16:44.13 | hakr | o.O |
| 16:44.16 | ksk | !tell unclezipper_ about wireless |
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| 16:44.48 | blast_hardcheese | hakr: you beat me to it |
| 16:45.00 | blast_hardcheese | I don't know dpkg's commands that well |
| 16:45.01 | unclezipper_ | Neat, thanks |
| 16:45.32 | Akhilan | Hi all here |
| 16:45.33 | unclezipper_ | What if it turns out that it's some chipset designed by ETs? Am I screwed? |
| 16:45.33 | Akhilan | I want to add a new font to debian repository. Any Guidelines |
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| 16:51.09 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: i figured out my problem |
| 16:51.15 | blast_hardcheese | Hey! Awesome! |
| 16:51.17 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: i had upgraded to testing and then aborted and downgraded |
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| 16:51.21 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: a hwile ago |
| 16:51.26 | blast_hardcheese | oops |
| 16:51.29 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: i had to just reinstall a few gcc things |
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| 16:51.43 | oblio | blast_hardcheese: yeah i upgraded and shit was way broken, it was too early to do it |
| 16:51.47 | oblio | pardon my language |
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| 16:52.10 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry, what was broken? |
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| 16:52.50 | rendar | during an apt-get dist-upgrade i remained with no space left on the device, / is 100% full, but the total download was 1GB and the free space was 2GB, how i can solve this? how i tell apt-get to flush and delete all cached stuff? |
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| 16:54.19 | xrq | rendar: add another drive to your machine or get a larger drive? |
| 16:54.23 | blast_hardcheese | rendar: apt-get clean |
| 16:54.29 | blast_hardcheese | or apt-get autoclean |
| 16:54.41 | rendar | blast_hardcheese, trying |
| 16:54.45 | blast_hardcheese | clean clears all the cache, autoclean just cleans things it thinks are not immediately useful |
| 16:55.47 | rendar | blast_hardcheese, thanks man! it worked fine |
| 16:55.57 | blast_hardcheese | rendar: no problem-o |
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| 16:56.24 | blast_hardcheese | If you are having issues like that in the future, you might consider mounting another filesystem where apt caches its packages |
| 16:56.36 | rendar | blast_hardcheese, yeah thats right |
| 16:56.45 | rendar | blast_hardcheese, i'm considering move /home in another drive |
| 16:57.01 | blast_hardcheese | that's almost always a good idea |
| 16:57.12 | rendar | it should be a pretty straightforward operation, mv /home /media/D/home and then a simbolic link in / :) |
| 16:57.44 | blast_hardcheese | With a drive name like "D", I really hope that's not NTFS or FAT32 |
| 16:57.58 | xrq | yeah, I've done that before. copy everything in home to the newly attached drive and then mount it as /home |
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| 16:58.05 | rendar | it is, unfortunately...yeah having /home in NTFS is not a good idea, you're right |
| 16:58.20 | lattera | in what package would I find the manpage for pthread_mutex_lock? |
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| 16:59.21 | rendar | lattera, isn't faster to see that on google? :) |
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| 16:59.38 | rendar | lattera, i mean, not the man page, but getting the man page itself on google for that api |
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| 17:00.04 | lattera | nvm, found it, glibc-doc |
| 17:00.20 | lattera | rendar: no, it's much faster to look at the manpage in a terminal |
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| 17:11.35 | rendar | i have just rebooted after apt-get dist-upgrade, and grub doesn't boot anymore :( i'm in grub rescue prompt |
| 17:11.44 | rendar | any clue why this happens? |
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| 17:12.44 | mtn | rendar: run: df -h |
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| 17:14.50 | xrq | rendar: is grub selecting the same kernel version that it was before? |
| 17:15.04 | mumpitze1 | rendar: how far in grub do you get? |
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| 17:15.46 | xrq | rendar: that is the most common issue - the very latest kernel you upgraded to has an issue and you need to select the last known working one |
| 17:15.55 | rendar | mumpitze1: i'm doing ls (hd0,msdos3)/boot right now |
| 17:16.56 | rendar | xrq: yeah, thats seem right, but how i can tell grub "select this one" |
| 17:16.58 | rendar | ? |
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| 17:17.49 | rendar | ismod linux gives to me symbol not found 'grub_mm_base' |
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| 17:18.53 | SmashingX | maybe this question is offtopic but does someone knows how are the hard drives called for laptops and the hard drives made for PC |
| 17:18.56 | xrq | rendar: can you select "Older Kernel Versions" in the grub list of options or get a list of grub commands? |
| 17:19.18 | SmashingX | I mean I think they are called different depending of their size |
| 17:19.37 | rendar | xrq: no, i don't have the grub menu, just the text prompt |
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| 17:19.57 | mtn | rendar: what did df -h return? |
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| 17:21.13 | rendar | mtn: 'df' unknown command |
| 17:21.21 | rendar | i'm on the grub prompt, not in bash |
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| 17:21.59 | mtn | rendar: sorry, thought you were running commands. maybe use a live disk and check out your free space. |
| 17:22.10 | blast_hardcheese | rendar: ls / |
| 17:22.19 | blast_hardcheese | should work in the grub prompt |
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| 17:22.50 | blast_hardcheese | If you see that, then at least your drive is mounting properly, and the problem was either that the kernel failed to fully upgrade or regenerate your grub config. |
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| 17:23.00 | blast_hardcheese | (that being the files in /) |
| 17:23.31 | mtn | rendar: what upgrade are you doing? from what to what? |
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| 17:23.44 | rendar | blast_hardcheese: it gives to me several partitions (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) and so on |
| 17:24.02 | rendar | mtn: squeeze wheezy |
| 17:24.21 | blast_hardcheese | rendar: ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot/ |
| 17:24.59 | rendar | blast_hardcheese: there are the linux kernels, vmlinuz-etc.. of several version, the old one too 2.6.32 |
| 17:25.37 | blast_hardcheese | (doing this from memory, forgive me if there are errors): set root=(hd0,msdos1) |
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| 17:26.25 | blast_hardcheese | linux /boot/vmlinuz-$yourkernelversion root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 17:26.44 | blast_hardcheese | initrd /boot/initrd.img-$yourkernelversion |
| 17:26.46 | blast_hardcheese | boot |
| 17:26.54 | mumpitze1 | rendar: reinstall grub /msg dpkg fixgrub |
| 17:27.14 | rendar | it seems working but the root is already set, if i type 'set' when grub rescue prompts, it gives me correctly set 'root' |
| 17:27.41 | blast_hardcheese | Those three commands should get you back into your system, from there you can just update-grub |
| 17:28.47 | rendar | blast_hardcheese: they do not work, because grub does not find symbols |
| 17:29.10 | rendar | it says "symbol grub_mm_base not found", or also other ones |
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| 17:29.48 | blast_hardcheese | can you insmod linux? |
| 17:29.54 | rendar | nop |
| 17:29.59 | blast_hardcheese | ouch :( |
| 17:30.01 | rendar | same symbols error |
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| 17:31.15 | rendar | blast_hardcheese: could i start windows, at least? it is in one of those partitions |
| 17:31.30 | blast_hardcheese | Which partition? |
| 17:31.41 | rendar | (hd0,msdod3) |
| 17:31.49 | blast_hardcheese | set root=(hd0,msdos3) |
| 17:32.06 | blast_hardcheese | chainloader +1 |
| 17:32.09 | blast_hardcheese | boot |
| 17:32.11 | blast_hardcheese | should work |
| 17:32.11 | rendar | trying |
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| 17:32.25 | guest42143 | any idea about dictionaries? |
| 17:32.33 | blast_hardcheese | might need to insmod ntfs first, dunno. |
| 17:32.40 | guest42143 | I want a word list at some language |
| 17:32.51 | blast_hardcheese | haven't had to boot windows in years :) |
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| 17:33.43 | rendar | chainloader unnkown command |
| 17:34.35 | blast_hardcheese | insmod chain first |
| 17:34.42 | blast_hardcheese | (according to Google) |
| 17:35.31 | rendar | symbols not found grub_files_filters_enabled |
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| 17:35.43 | blast_hardcheese | your grub is fubar |
| 17:35.52 | blast_hardcheese | sorry bro |
| 17:36.12 | krylov | hi, does anybody use QQ on Debian? |
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| 17:36.44 | xrq | rendar: you probably need to restore grub from a livecd at this point |
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| 17:37.06 | krylov | I tried pidgin-lwqq, but it doesn't work in wheezy |
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| 17:37.32 | rendar | xrq: i have the cd burner in that other pc, at least i should try to run windows.. |
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| 17:37.51 | blast_hardcheese | Fortunately, from a livecd, you can just chroot into your system, then reinstall or finish upgrading grub2 |
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| 17:39.07 | newnick325 | Trying to restart apache2, I got the following: |
| 17:39.14 | newnick325 | "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 17:39.16 | newnick325 | [....] Restarting web server: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: 87: ulimit: error setting limit (Operation not permitted) |
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| 17:39.17 | newnick325 | /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: 87: ulimit: error setting limit (Operation not permitted) |
| 17:39.19 | newnick325 | (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 17:39.20 | newnick325 | (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 17:39.22 | newnick325 | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 17:39.23 | newnick325 | Unable to open logs |
| 17:39.25 | newnick325 | Action 'start' failed. |
| 17:39.26 | newnick325 | The Apache error log may have more information. |
| 17:39.28 | newnick325 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.34 | mumpitze1 | newnick325: you need to be root to start apache |
| 17:39.37 | xrq | !pastebin |
| 17:39.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:39.58 | newnick325 | Sorry xrq |
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| 17:40.07 | newnick325 | mumpitze1 thanks |
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| 17:41.22 | rendar | xrq: well i'm dowloading an iso live cd, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-amd64-standard.iso |
| 17:41.33 | rendar | i think this is just the right one |
| 17:42.48 | somiaj | rendar: do you want a graphical enviorment on your live cd? |
| 17:43.01 | somiaj | the standard iso just contains standard packages and you won't have a graphical enviorment |
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| 17:43.50 | dashs | Who is enforcing pulseaudio? |
| 17:44.22 | somiaj | dashs: what do you mean by that question? pulseaudio is not required on debian. I don't use it here. Though I think gnome may depend on it |
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| 17:44.34 | rendar | somiaj: nope |
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| 17:45.01 | dashs | I suppose I can remove it from the system |
| 17:45.21 | somiaj | rendar: If you don't care about a gui enviorment on your livecd, I would suggest grabing the resuce live cd. It is a bit bigger but contains a lot of tools one would need in various situations. To fix grub the standard iso (or even the debian install cd you have) will work |
| 17:45.28 | jhutchins | somiaj: Doesn't hybrid-live have a GUI? |
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| 17:45.41 | somiaj | dashs: run this command, 'aptitude why pulseaudio' |
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| 17:46.25 | somiaj | jhutchins: I don't know what you mean by hybrid-live. The standard I thought was just standard packages and above, rescue is basically a ton of cli tools to use to resuce a system, to get a gui I think you need to request the gui you want, i.e. grab the lxde, xfce, gnome or kde live image |
| 17:46.37 | dashs | somiaj: Don't much want gnome either |
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| 17:47.02 | somiaj | you can get a full package list of what each live image has on it from live.debian.net. |
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| 17:47.25 | somiaj | dashs: well debian gives you the choice to run any of the major DEs, or even tons of smaller WMs, or no xorg at all. You just have to configure it |
| 17:47.36 | somiaj | if by default you just choose 'desktop enviorment' it will install gnome which I belive will pull in pulse |
| 17:47.48 | somiaj | so don't choose that during the install and install what you want. Use the power of choice, (: |
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| 17:48.51 | dashs | somiaj: Guess I was just lazy -- all I wanted was blackbox and mythtv for an "appliance" looks like mythtv might require it |
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| 17:51.40 | somiaj | hmm, what is the mythtv package, I'm not finding any obvious main package, wanted to check it's depends |
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| 17:54.45 | ctmjr | mythtv is not in debian it is in the other repo (multi-media) |
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| 17:55.29 | dashs | ctmjr: yes I know |
| 17:55.47 | somiaj | ahh I see some mythtv packages but no major one that explains it. I would think the package would hopefully only depend on the pulse libs and not pulse itself, that way people can choose what sound system to use. |
| 17:56.20 | somiaj | but that aptitude why command should tell you what package depends on pulse explaining why it was installed |
| 17:56.51 | ctmjr | dashs, was not meant for you |
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| 17:57.54 | dashs | somiaj: the deb-multimendia stuff is not together. I used it because it would not buil out of the box on wheezy. |
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| 17:59.23 | somiaj | deb-multimedia are subpar packages to some. I personally think the packages are okay, the biggest issue I would urge people who use that repo is to pin it lower or remove it once you install what you want from there. upgrades with ath repo enabled can be a bit iffy |
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| 18:01.45 | rryoumaa | aptitude cuts off the right hand side of its search output (the description) at something like 80 columns. i tried aptitude --disable-columns -F "%p%d", because, but aptitude seems to ignore the tab character. why does it ignore the tab character? |
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| 18:05.19 | jhutchins | The main problem with the dmm packages is that their naming convention makes it harder to upgrade to a newer official version of the package. Upgrades within dmm are cool. |
| 18:05.57 | jhutchins | This usually comes up when you're doing a dist-upgrade, but Christien is pretty good about getting the new packages on line. |
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| 18:08.07 | jhutchins | Like backports, installing from dmm only pulls the packages and dependencies you specify, so pinning isn't necessary. |
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| 18:08.54 | jaami | how do i make image of whole debian as backup |
| 18:09.55 | Guest12523 | jaami, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Full_System_Backup_with_rsync |
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| 18:10.03 | alusion | backintime / dd / rsync |
| 18:10.18 | Guest12523 | jaami, or https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disk_Cloning |
| 18:10.35 | jaami | thanks Guest12523 |
| 18:11.19 | Guest12523 | np |
| 18:11.37 | Guest12523 | i use that rsync script in the arch wiki for backing up |
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| 18:11.49 | Guest12523 | but if you need to clone a whole disk use dd |
| 18:12.17 | jaami | oh ok |
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| 18:13.01 | jhutchins | jamesfryman: See also clonezilla. |
| 18:13.10 | hehe13123 | Is there a visual update manager like ubuntu that displays a popup so I know there's critical updates |
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| 18:13.13 | hehe13123 | (security) |
| 18:13.22 | hehe13123 | instead of manually typing update\upgrade |
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| 18:14.31 | jaami | i think dd is the best way to make backup |
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| 18:15.10 | jaami | will i use dd the same way i made live usb og debian? |
| 18:15.17 | jaami | of** |
| 18:15.19 | jhutchins | jaami: partclone is better. |
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| 18:17.36 | blast_hardcheese | rsync is better still |
| 18:18.06 | blast_hardcheese | hah, rsync was mentioned above, didn't notice |
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| 18:18.30 | guest43242 | i have noise in headphones :(((( |
| 18:18.43 | blast_hardcheese | guest43242: Great! |
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| 18:18.47 | blast_hardcheese | That's the point of headphones! |
| 18:19.01 | guest43242 | no it sound like a high pitch anoying noise |
| 18:19.06 | guest43242 | or a low tone buzz |
| 18:19.09 | blast_hardcheese | oh :( |
| 18:19.15 | guest43242 | and they change from one to an other |
| 18:19.17 | guest43242 | :( |
| 18:19.44 | guest43242 | in connection to mouse movements a bit |
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| 18:20.16 | jhutchins | jaami: clonzilla gives you some nice, menued options and Ah, the wonders of digital audio. |
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| 18:20.20 | guest43242 | when windows change there is a slight change in tone for a bit |
| 18:20.39 | guest43242 | sad |
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| 18:22.51 | ctmjr | guest43242, just a guess but mute you mic volume might be feedback |
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| 18:23.26 | blast_hardcheese | guest43242: Also, you might consider using http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to see if there are any notes on your particular audio hardware |
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| 18:30.53 | guest43242 | ctmjr, done that, no help |
| 18:31.10 | guest43242 | blast_hardcheese, it worked fine until today |
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| 18:31.35 | Quibus | hi all |
| 18:32.07 | Quibus | I want to change my network settings (using GNOME), but the window where all settings are shown is completely disabled. |
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| 18:32.22 | Quibus | well, I can set it ON or OFF, but not change settings. "Options" is disabled |
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| 18:32.42 | Quibus | how do I get it to ask me for admin password? |
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| 18:33.19 | death2illuminati | DEATH TO THE 13 ILLUMINATI FAMILIES(ROCKERFELLERS,MORGANS, ROTHCHILDS AND MORE). DEATH TO THE PRIVATE BANKS(FEDERAL RESERVE). WATCH ZEITGEIST FEDERAL RESERVE PART 1 ON YOUTUBE(5MIL+VIEWS MOSTLY THUMBS UP), SEE HOW WE'RE ALL SLAVES TO PAPER MONEY. WE'RE PLAYING THEIR MONOPOLY GAME AND THEY'RE THE ELITISTS BECAUSE THEY CONTROL THE MONEY SUPPLY. THEY BUY INFLUENCIAL ARTISTS TO MAKE MUSIC ABOUT |
| 18:33.20 | death2illuminati | DRUGS,MONEY, VIOLENCE. THEY OFFER THESE ARTISTS MONEY, FAME, WOMEN, ECT. IN RETURN. |
| 18:33.20 | death2illuminati | WATCH "THRIVE MOVEMENT" ON YOUTUBE. SKIP TO 34;00-40;00. SEE HOW WE COULD BE LIVING ON FREE ENERGY INVENTION WITHOUT HAVING TO USE ELECTRICAL POLES FOR ELECTRICITY. THIS ALSO MEANS DEATH TO OIL USE FOR CARS. BUT GUESS WHO DESTROYED THIS INVENTION AND DIDN'T WANT THIS FREE ENERGY INVENTION TO HAPPEN? JP MORGAN. ALSO THE GEORGE'S BUSH'S FATHER HAD A GOVERNMENT RAID TO DESTORY THIS INVENTION. |
| 18:33.20 | death2illuminati | FUCK THE BUSH FAMILIES. FUCK ALL OF THEM. DEATH TO THEM. SPREAD THE WORD. LET EVERYONE KNOW. LET THE MILITARY MEN KNOW. |
| 18:33.20 | death2illuminati | A REVOLUTION CAN HAPPEN. I AM WAITING FOR THIS DAY TO HAPPEN SO I CAN BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF THEM |
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| 18:34.00 | Quibus | wtf |
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| 18:35.58 | j7j3 | tinfoil hat poisoning |
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| 18:36.38 | crabman | Does anybody have an idea what dbg packages I need to make this crash report useful? http://imgur.com/VyX3NE4 |
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| 18:48.30 | jhutchins | How do I see if a file is setuid/setgid. It's the "s" bit, right? |
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| 18:51.43 | DanielDiaz | hi there! I have a script running at startup, but it starts hidden. how can I do so it starts within a window? that way I'd be able to see the output. |
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| 19:13.21 | gchristensen | is there a way to specify multiple mirrors using the preseed? |
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| 19:14.36 | lifechamp | how to resolve? a2enmod: command not found |
| 19:15.06 | jordanm | make sure you are root and install a2enmod |
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| 19:16.20 | lifechamp | apt-get: E: Unable to locate package a2enmod |
| 19:17.06 | jordanm | ,file a2enmod |
| 19:17.10 | judd | Search for a2enmod in wheezy/i386: apache2.2-common: usr/sbin/a2enmod |
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| 19:29.36 | rasPEAR | Hi, i have -noobish- question - i have installed PHP5-PEAR package on my Raspi, but doing "pear <something>" returns me with command not found error. What should i check for? |
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| 19:30.24 | jordanm | ,file bin/pear |
| 19:30.28 | judd | Search for bin/pear in wheezy/i386: php-pear: usr/bin/pear |
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| 19:30.47 | jordanm | rasPEAR: is /usr/bin in your path? |
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| 19:31.09 | rasPEAR | jordanm: assuming 'python' and 'php' work, yeah :o |
| 19:31.20 | rasPEAR | there is no pear in it tho. |
| 19:31.32 | jordanm | wait, there isn't a php5-pear package, it's just php-pear |
| 19:31.39 | rasPEAR | hm |
| 19:31.40 | jordanm | what version of debian? |
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| 19:32.06 | rasPEAR | mea culpa, give me a sec |
| 19:32.35 | ectospasm | is there anything else I can do to get a new DHCP lease (direct from cable modem) other than "dhclient -r && dhclient" (which did not work). I'm told the cable provider does not restrict the connection to one MAC, but that's the only other thing I can think of. |
| 19:32.46 | rasPEAR | seems like i haven't installed it... maybe because i had to apt-cache search for many packages which were named out-of-date, and for Archlinux anyays. |
| 19:33.02 | rasPEAR | JordanM: thanks. was not installed. *facepalm* |
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| 19:33.38 | stmiller | ectospasm might depend on their lease time |
| 19:33.43 | jordanm | ectospasm: they typically restrict it to the MAC of the modem, not what's on the other end of the modem |
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| 19:34.37 | ectospasm | stmiller: -r releases the lease, so it shouldn't matter should it? |
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| 19:36.02 | ectospasm | I'm hampered that I'm remote to the system, and just tried to guide my nontechnical aunt to fix it |
| 19:36.16 | jordanm | ectospasm: only on your end |
| 19:36.52 | ectospasm | the thing is, I don't think it ever got a lease at that location |
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| 19:37.18 | ectospasm | the PC I gave them didn't have PS/2 ports, and I forgot to bring a USB keyboard while I was there. |
| 19:37.29 | ectospasm | ...so I couldn't test it |
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| 19:38.37 | ectospasm | ...but then again, my uncle may have installed the switch to see if it would work (PC <-> switch <-> modem, note no router) |
| 19:39.09 | ectospasm | I told him I didn't expect it to work |
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| 19:39.26 | ectospasm | ...my aunt claims he hasn't touched it, but I'm in disbelief |
| 19:41.37 | jordanm | ectospasm: I would expect that to work as long as there isn't more than one device plugged into the switch |
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| 19:45.20 | guest43242 | anyone know to work with aspell munch in foriegn languages? |
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| 19:47.23 | ompaul | guest43242: it's called ispell elsewhere |
| 19:47.28 | ompaul | and comes in many variants |
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| 19:48.01 | ompaul | guest43242: so what is your real question |
| 19:48.15 | guest43242 | I want to find root of word |
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| 19:48.58 | guest43242 | I tried with munch , but I don't get the feeling that it find the root |
| 19:49.04 | ompaul | guest43242: eh does that mean what I think it means ... etymology |
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| 19:49.24 | ompaul | or something else |
| 19:50.02 | guest43242 | it is like in english if I want to find what is root for worked then I should get work |
| 19:50.16 | guest43242 | running -> run |
| 19:50.23 | ompaul | guest43242: ah |
| 19:50.40 | guest43242 | I thought munch should do that |
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| 19:50.48 | guest43242 | but it doesn't seem to do it |
| 19:51.10 | ompaul | I think that is more the function of a dictionary |
| 19:51.14 | ompaul | a real dictionary |
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| 19:52.19 | guest43242 | echo running | aspell -l en munch-list |
| 19:52.19 | guest43242 | reply is : runnning |
| 19:52.19 | guest43242 | echo running | aspell -l en munch |
| 19:52.19 | guest43242 | running runne/G runn/G |
| 19:52.19 | guest43242 | that is not the root |
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| 19:53.03 | guest43242 | was kicked |
| 19:53.05 | ectospasm | jordanm: then that would defeat the purpose of the switch (-; |
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| 19:53.08 | ompaul | guest43242: apt-cache search linguistic |
| 19:53.10 | guest43242 | this kicker is sensitive |
| 19:53.14 | ectospasm | ...in that scenario, at least. |
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| 19:53.34 | ompaul | guest43242: of course it is |
| 19:53.38 | guest43242 | echo running | aspell -l en munch |
| 19:53.39 | ectospasm | I did not have my aunt reboot the modem, so my uncle will do that when he gets home. |
| 19:53.44 | guest43242 | running runne/G runn/G |
| 19:54.09 | ompaul | guest43242: apt-cache search linguistic |
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| 19:54.44 | guest43242 | E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 19:55.09 | ompaul | guest43242: uname -a << please |
| 19:55.21 | vlt | Hello. How can I add a file like /sbin/cryptsetup to an initrd.img? |
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| 19:55.31 | g105b | Can anyone recommend a Debian on-demand service that supplies huge CPU power for short bursts? |
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| 19:56.40 | ompaul | guest43242: http://paste.debian.net and put in there the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:57.21 | guest43242 | ompaul, its fixed, had a failed apt-get update |
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| 20:01.20 | guest43242 | does any of these linguistic have what I want? |
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| 20:10.00 | ompaul | guest43242: TIAS |
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| 20:18.36 | lifechamp | the shell started saying this for my user when tabbing: bash: _upvars: `-a2': invalid number specifier |
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| 20:18.46 | lifechamp | afaik, i didn't change any permissions etc for the user |
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| 20:19.05 | lifechamp | any ideas as to why? and to fix? |
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| 20:22.04 | lifechamp | hmm, k, /dev/null isn't empty. has 2 lines in it from nginx conf.. should i just delete those? |
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| 20:22.17 | Nik05 | what? :S |
| 20:22.34 | lifechamp | $ cat /dev/null |
| 20:22.35 | lifechamp | nginx: the configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf syntax is ok |
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| 20:23.05 | Nik05 | thats not ok lifechamp |
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| 20:23.27 | lifechamp | how might it have happened? how to debug its cause etc? |
| 20:24.04 | lifechamp | i think it started when i tried to use this nginx.conf file, with a location {..} block I added: http://lowlatencyweb.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/500000-requestssec-modern-http-servers-are-fast/ |
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| 20:25.18 | lifechamp | but, for now, can i sudo vim /dev/null and delete those 2 lines, safely? |
| 20:25.31 | Nik05 | /dev/null is not a text file... |
| 20:25.37 | sjamaan | lifechamp: Best to remove /dev/null and recreate it with mknod |
| 20:25.38 | Nik05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.00 | Nik05 | and chown it to root:root |
| 20:26.09 | lifechamp | mknod: `/dev/null': File exists |
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| 20:26.18 | Nik05 | yes remove it first |
| 20:26.27 | sjamaan | damn, the example writes the pid file to /dev/null; that's pretty stupid in any case |
| 20:26.35 | sjamaan | It means you can't restart or stop the server |
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| 20:28.44 | Nik05 | lifechamp: what did you do with /dev/null? |
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| 20:29.02 | lifechamp | did what you said and not tabbing works again ) |
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| 20:29.37 | lifechamp | now if only #nginx would answer my question: http://p.ngx.cc/a122 |
| 20:29.53 | lifechamp | why i'm not getting proxy_pass to send localhost/nodejs to port 2345 |
| 20:29.55 | Nik05 | yes but what did you do to fuck /dev/null up? |
| 20:30.15 | lifechamp | it was the nginx.conf example in the url link above, this channel said |
| 20:30.19 | lifechamp | (sjamaan) |
| 20:31.17 | Nik05 | strange |
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| 20:39.24 | schultza | mostly curious, has anyone gotten unity to run in debian? |
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| 20:48.12 | Dev0n | just looking at supervisor, it's a better alternative to creating init.d scripts right? |
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| 20:58.56 | uberdub | quick question guys |
| 20:59.18 | uberdub | how do I verify I have a wwan card without opening this thing up? |
| 20:59.44 | uberdub | lspci doesnt show it, but doesnt wwan use usb interface even when pci? |
| 21:00.21 | uberdub | lsusb shows nothing |
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| 21:03.39 | Elemeno | Whats the best cheapo switch out there? non-managed |
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| 21:28.32 | msn | i have a storage server to which i added another disk and extended the hardware raid, now i cant figure how to extend the lvm physical volume or should I just extend the volume group and pv will expand on its own sicne i have created the pv on whole device |
| 21:29.14 | petn-randall | msn: pvresize <device> should do the trick. |
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| 21:31.42 | msn | k thanks guess have to wait until the raidcard finishes adding 3TB space |
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| 21:44.24 | Nirkus | hey guys... best (if any, yet) way to install jessie? |
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| 21:45.03 | abrotman | install wheezy and then upgrade |
| 21:45.09 | Nirkus | ok |
| 21:45.16 | nvteighen | Nirkus: or you might use the CD |
| 21:46.07 | Nirkus | nvteighen: which CD? couldnt find any installer image or installation guide on the debian webstie.. |
| 21:46.10 | tremon | Nirkus: the only supported way is to install minimal wheezy, dist-upgrade, run tasksel again |
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| 21:46.28 | ph88 | how do i prevent apache from automatically running ? |
| 21:47.18 | Nirkus | tremon: dont care that much for "supported" ;) |
| 21:47.47 | nvteighen | Nirkus: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 21:49.58 | abrotman | ph88: update-rc.d |
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| 21:50.28 | tremon | Nirkus: iirc, you can select to install testing from the stable netinstall cd. At least it used to be, haven't done a manual install since lenny |
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| 21:51.41 | ph88 | abrotman: i have two of such files ... should i edit both or just one ? ./var/lib/update-rc.d ./usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 21:51.44 | magnetophon | tremon: you've only dist-upgraded since then? didn't know that was feasable... |
| 21:55.17 | tremon | magnetophon: yes, all of my systems have been dist-upgraded at least once. But what I actually meant was that I've been using a pxe/preseed setup since then, so the two new installs I did were mostly automatic |
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| 21:56.47 | Nirkus | tremon: oh, does pressed work for most packages since wheezy? |
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| 21:59.07 | FreezingCold | So I'm gonna go from ubuntu to debian |
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| 21:59.34 | FreezingCold | I guess the only thing I really need to backup is ~/? |
| 21:59.43 | Nirkus | FreezingCold: yeah, did that on my workstations as well, lately |
| 21:59.51 | tremon | don't know about most packages, my package selection is quite minimal (i.e. ssh, vim, krb5, ldap, nfs, ssmtp) |
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| 22:01.18 | FreezingCold | Nirkus: Did you do it in place or did you reformat? |
| 22:01.46 | Nirkus | tremon: well, saw the wheezy install log from a colleague.. i think, exim & console-data were the only non-preseedable packages left |
| 22:02.38 | Nirkus | FreezingCold: i added two logical volumes for rootfs & home, installed a fresh wheezy and copied my home to the other lv |
| 22:02.41 | Nirkus | ;) |
| 22:03.12 | tremon | Nirkus: are you sure about exim? I'm pretty certain I had a working preseed for exim4-light before switching to ssmtp |
| 22:03.12 | FreezingCold | Nirkus: I'm debating if I can delete my windows partition. fyi this isn't my computer, just the parents system I gave to them awhile back |
| 22:03.45 | indyj | offf topic question: how long do cd roms remain readable??? |
| 22:03.57 | FreezingCold | Nirkus: My father always complained about Linux being "impossible" to use (with literally any desktop window manager), but then I gave him windows xp as well and he never uses it because it's too slow lol |
| 22:04.17 | Nirkus | FreezingCold: back it up, if you know how to restore it properly |
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| 22:04.34 | FreezingCold | Nirkus: I'm just checking now to see how big ~/home is |
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| 22:06.38 | hramrach | blast_hardcheese: there is #debian-live on oftc |
| 22:06.55 | Nirkus | tremon: well, i would have to connect the corresponding VPN and check with the intranet docs, but im pretty sure. well. its about exim4-config not taking the preseed configuration into account AFAIR |
| 22:08.21 | Nirkus | tremon: do you use kerberos based on accounts within an LDAP directory? |
| 22:08.49 | hramrach | FreezingCold: you can configure gnome or lxde ot something to look very much like Windows but it will not be exactly the same, ever |
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| 22:09.12 | FreezingCold | hramrach: oh I know I have them on lxde already. They've been using it for quite some time and are okay with it. I just want to go ubuntu -> debian |
| 22:09.25 | FreezingCold | been having problems with ubuntu's updating system and don't have time to bother with it |
| 22:09.39 | tremon | Nirkus: yes, ldap as passwd/group backend, kerberos for authentication |
| 22:09.46 | FreezingCold | also should probably put encryption on the system |
| 22:09.59 | hramrach | FreezingCold: should not make much difference if you keep the /home |
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| 22:10.23 | Nirkus | tremon: interesting, did you deploy it initially? |
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| 22:12.03 | tremon | Nirkus: yes, with much trial and error :) especially nfs4 took a lot of time |
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| 22:12.22 | hramrach | FreezingCold: you can like install debian on anohter partition and keep ubuntu for a while until you are sure it's same enough |
| 22:12.32 | hramrach | but works poorly with encryption |
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| 22:12.41 | FreezingCold | hramrach: na it'll be close enough. just debating the best way of transferring the files right now |
| 22:13.01 | Nirkus | tremon: hehe, im looking forward to learning kerberos... but i didnt find the time yet |
| 22:14.04 | Nirkus | FreezingCold: "the best way" includes having at least one up-to-date backup, no matter which operating systems are involved :P |
| 22:14.06 | hramrach | well, you need to install the same packages, copy changed config files, and copy /home |
| 22:14.48 | FreezingCold | Nirkus: meh i don't care enough about these files. I haven't even changed anything outside of ~/.* really |
| 22:15.10 | FreezingCold | can't remember manually editing a single thing |
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| 22:15.44 | hramrach | you can probably detect changed config files but not sure about the required incantation |
| 22:16.15 | hramrach | anyway, if you think you don't have any just install lxde and whatever extra packages you have and copy the home |
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| 22:16.47 | FreezingCold | hramrach: do you think I should use an SD card or install the rsync daemon? |
| 22:17.16 | hramrach | I don't know what you would use the SD card for but whatever |
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| 22:17.24 | FreezingCold | to copy files over? |
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| 22:17.45 | hramrach | I use shared home partition when moving from one distro to another |
| 22:17.57 | FreezingCold | hramrach: I'm going to crypt the whole drive this time |
| 22:17.59 | somiaj | do you have sshd running and rsync installed on the system you want to back up, if so why use the rsync daemon? |
| 22:18.23 | FreezingCold | somiaj: none of it is installed right now, which is why I'm questioning if it's worth it or not to do it |
| 22:18.47 | hramrach | well, then extra storage is good for backup |
| 22:19.16 | hramrach | or you can put in a different drive to install to and then copy over whatever you need from the old one |
| 22:19.23 | somiaj | FreezingCold: you could just use 'cp -a /home/username /foo' and put it on an SD card, usb hard drive, etc, for simple backup. you could use rsync there as well. Only need the daemon if you want to backup to a remote machine that doesn't have ssh and rsync installed on it. |
| 22:20.19 | somiaj | If you are making a fresh backup you most likely won't notice much difference from rsync -a and cp -a, now if you want to update a backup to only update the changed files, rsync is the better option. |
| 22:20.34 | hramrach | well, cp -a is not that good idea with FAT SD card |
| 22:20.53 | somiaj | rsync would fail there too |
| 22:20.58 | somiaj | well for the same reason |
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| 22:21.12 | FreezingCold | alright gonna do a daemon |
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| 22:21.36 | hramrach | boots a PC from SD card |
| 22:21.47 | somiaj | FreezingCold: again are you gonna backup to another unix machine? You may find rsync over ssh easier. |
| 22:21.49 | hramrach | it has ext4 on it, of course |
| 22:22.08 | FreezingCold | somiaj: yeah onto my laptop for a few minutes |
| 22:22.13 | FreezingCold | It's going to be deleted after |
| 22:22.31 | somiaj | FreezingCold: I would just install rsync and sshd, I think that is easier than getting the rsync daemon running. |
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| 22:23.05 | hramrach | FreezingCold: what is encryption giving you on the machine? |
| 22:23.18 | FreezingCold | hramrach: reword that |
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| 22:24.07 | hramrach | FreezingCold: encryption is a hassle and it makes losing your data more likely |
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| 22:24.17 | FreezingCold | hramrach: not much of a hassle imo |
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| 22:24.32 | hramrach | what secrets are you going to have on the machine worth protecting? |
| 22:25.13 | hramrach | the average Joe User values data accessibility to him over data inaccessibility to potential attacker |
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| 22:25.50 | FreezingCold | this machine has personal information on me and I don't trust my parents to keep the system safe |
| 22:25.55 | FreezingCold | it's my privacy |
| 22:26.03 | xrq | not encrypting a machine is a security risk |
| 22:26.04 | hramrach | plus average Joe User has such lame password that the data is going to be accessible regardless |
| 22:26.21 | FreezingCold | I'm already pissed enough that they put my pictures and crap on facebook despite me insisting they don't |
| 22:26.44 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.11 | abrotman | you just figured that out? DIdn't you ask a few days ago? |
| 22:27.13 | hramrach | but they did it themselves so encryption is not helping you |
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| 22:27.41 | somiaj | jhutchins: be nice to find a way to have it configure (or dpkg-reconfigure) upon install. Though I never had to logout |
| 22:27.42 | FreezingCold | hramrach: right, but they have even more personal information stored on the hard disk |
| 22:27.46 | jhutchins | hramrach: I'm running off an SD card in a USB adapter. Pretty lousy performance. |
| 22:28.23 | somiaj | FreezingCold: are you worried about someone getting your harddrive, or getting info off the machine while it is running (say going to a webpage that grabs personal info) |
| 22:28.27 | xrq | hramrach: I don't see how someone else having a bad password means that he shouldn't encrypt his machine |
| 22:28.28 | jhutchins | somiaj: This is for a barebones system such as a debootstrap, and yeah, you'll continue to get the messages until you log out and log back in. |
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| 22:28.40 | FreezingCold | xrq: exactly. it's my damn machine |
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| 22:28.51 | biczu | . |
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| 22:29.11 | jhutchins | abrotman: Yeah, first time I've worked on that system since. |
| 22:29.19 | hramrach | xrq: because the person with the bad password has access to the machine and data and is posting it on fb |
| 22:29.33 | jhutchins | abrotman: I thought I had fixed it by installing locales, but you have to reconfigure too. |
| 22:29.56 | hramrach | any technical measure must be met with equivalent user dilligence or is ineffective |
| 22:29.57 | abrotman | yes, you have to generate some |
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| 22:30.58 | FreezingCold | hramrach: makes me sleep better anyway |
| 22:31.13 | hramrach | snakeoil security |
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| 22:31.25 | xrq | hramrach: sure. if he continues to allow them to have a bad password or follow weak security practices it is a very weak link in the chain |
| 22:31.28 | hramrach | but if it gives you better sleep go for it |
| 22:32.03 | xrq | I personally would just change their password to a strong one and threaten to change it again if they write it down |
| 22:32.15 | hramrach | hehehe |
| 22:32.28 | xrq | already did this with a family member's phone |
| 22:32.43 | xrq | erm, I mean financial account |
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| 22:32.59 | tonytraductor | If I want to install LibreOffice from upstream sources, must I remove the Wheezy version currently installed? |
| 22:33.25 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: Build a package. |
| 22:33.26 | hramrach | tonytraductor: no. but why would you want to do that? |
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| 22:33.49 | hramrach | it takes forever to build if you really mean source |
| 22:34.52 | hramrach | xrq: for financial account it requires little effort to convince users that they need security |
| 22:34.55 | tonytraductor | well, I'm talking about the .debs offered at libreoffice.org |
| 22:35.06 | tonytraductor | and why? Because the current version is ruining my business. |
| 22:35.20 | tonytraductor | I've been working as a freelance translator for 10 years, using only FLOSS, without any major issues |
| 22:35.34 | tonytraductor | suddenly, every time a client sends a .docx file, they complain that the formatting is all wrong when I send the file back. |
| 22:35.37 | xrq | hramrach: that's odd since if you lose your email account or main machine you usually compromise all your financial accounts |
| 22:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libreoffice |
| 22:35.51 | tonytraductor | tables change, fonts change, bullets disappear, and sometimes they can't even open the document at their end. |
| 22:35.51 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.0-5~bpo70+3; jessie: 1:4.1.1-1+b1; sid: 1:4.1.2-2 |
| 22:35.59 | tonytraductor | I'm losing clients, losing money, and I have a family to feed. |
| 22:36.06 | tonytraductor | I'm hoping updating may help. |
| 22:36.21 | tonytraductor | I have the 3.5.4.2 from backports installed now, and it's causing problems. |
| 22:36.35 | tonytraductor | I also have Apache's OOo installed, and it isn't helping (won't even write to .docx). |
| 22:36.41 | hramrach | unfortunaltely, the social amount engineering required to convince people that they need to protect their personal data is usually immense |
| 22:36.46 | tonytraductor | I wasn't having these issues with Squeeze and the older OOo. |
| 22:36.55 | abrotman | tonytraductor: not to be uh .. daft .. but why not transmit in a different format? |
| 22:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is on squeeze?! |
| 22:37.21 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: So build yourself a squeeze box and life is good again. |
| 22:37.24 | hramrach | xrq: I do not want to deal with any bank that is compromised by losing an email account |
| 22:37.25 | tonytraductor | clients send me .docx files. as soon as I open them, even to convert to another format, LO is wrecking them. |
| 22:37.36 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: You're sure it's not an update in the MS format? |
| 22:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, if he's using "3.5.4.2 from backports", this *is* squeeze |
| 22:37.56 | hramrach | xrq: or do you mean the past transaction logs which your bank might send and you might store? |
| 22:37.58 | tonytraductor | It probably is some BS on the MicroSlop end, but I have to deal with it on my end or lose business. |
| 22:38.21 | tonytraductor | I thought backports were more recent, like from unstable. |
| 22:38.27 | abrotman | from testing, yes |
| 22:38.31 | tonytraductor | LO wasn't even available in Squeeze |
| 22:38.36 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: more recent seems to be the problem. |
| 22:38.44 | FreezingCold | tonytraductor: use Microsoft Word |
| 22:38.48 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: Right? It was working, now it's not, go back to what works. |
| 22:38.57 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: Actually, that can be just as much trouble. |
| 22:39.01 | tonytraductor | I use only FLOSS. MSWord is not FLOSS. |
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| 22:39.08 | FreezingCold | jhutchins: well then there's nothing that can be done |
| 22:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tonytraductor, no, but it's in squeeze-backports, which have the same version as you named and the same as in wheezy. wheezy-backports has a different version |
| 22:39.18 | FreezingCold | tonytraductor: why not use MS word if it's needed for work...? |
| 22:39.27 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: Just having a different version of the same printer driver can totally trash the format of a document. |
| 22:39.46 | xrq | hramrach: I was thinking of how chrome stores your passwords in plaintext for viewing and some people put their password lists right on their machine |
| 22:39.53 | tonytraductor | I use Free Software for ethical reasons, just like the entire Debian Project. |
| 22:40.06 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: You had a setup that was working, right? |
| 22:40.07 | tonytraductor | I haven't compromised those principles for a decade. I'm not going to start now. |
| 22:40.19 | xrq | hramrach: and also how when you compromise a main email account you can reset passwords |
| 22:40.24 | tonytraductor | Yes. With Squeeze, I had no problems with document formatting that I'm having now. |
| 22:40.27 | FreezingCold | tonytraductor: well, you shouldn't use .docx to begin with. Only send them .odt files |
| 22:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, he probably had a setup that worked before office XX |
| 22:40.40 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: So squeeze is still available, use squeeze. |
| 22:40.45 | tonytraductor | In fact, I wasn't having problems with Wheezy until just recently. I upgraded to Wheezy months ago. |
| 22:41.04 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: So purge the packages and fall back. |
| 22:41.11 | tonytraductor | As soon as Wheezy was released, I upgraded. |
| 22:41.22 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: pin the version that works, Bob's yer uncle. |
| 22:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, doesn't mean there's no problems now... even newest LO-version doesn#t mean that |
| 22:41.41 | jhutchins | Newer != always better. |
| 22:41.50 | jhutchins | So FALL BACK! |
| 22:41.51 | tonytraductor | I'll agree with that. |
| 22:41.54 | hramrach | xrq: for a bank account? Again, I would not do business with a bank which would allow reset my password using plain email |
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| 22:42.34 | tonytraductor | okay, so where do I find the OOo from Squeeze? I'll remove the current Apache version and install that. |
| 22:42.40 | FreezingCold | tonytraductor: why not use Word in .wine...? It works great! |
| 22:42.51 | smw_ | Hi all, how can I change the domain name of a system (hostname -d) |
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| 22:43.02 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: _especially_ for a business critical machine, you should snapshot it before you do an upgrade so you can do an easy rollback. |
| 22:43.27 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: squeeze is in the main repos, earlier versions of current packages are at archive.debian.org iirc. |
| 22:43.30 | jhutchins | !archive |
| 22:43.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 22:44.16 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: /msg dpkg snapshot. |
| 22:44.40 | tonytraductor | I find this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/openoffice.org, but not sure how to proceed. |
| 22:45.06 | tonytraductor | do I grab base? core? Am I going to run into dependency issues trying to install an old pkg? I've never done this. |
| 22:45.29 | Wizard | tonytraductor: What do you want to achieve? |
| 22:45.50 | Wizard | And for the gods sake why do you run squeeze on desktop? |
| 22:46.51 | xrq | Wizard: huh? what's wrong with that? |
| 22:47.21 | Wizard | Uh, it's still oldstable :P So nothing. |
| 22:47.35 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: /msg dpkg snapshot. |
| 22:48.17 | FreezingCold | hmm, so my system says I have 780 folders in ~, but my laptop says I only have 777 |
| 22:48.26 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: You could just roll back to the last working LO. |
| 22:48.39 | FreezingCold | oh it can't read /.gvfs |
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| 22:50.33 | tonytraductor | how do I roll back? |
| 22:50.59 | FreezingCold | I'm barely breaking 1MB/s with rsync |
| 22:51.00 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: Remove the existing package, install the earlier one from the snapshot server. |
| 22:51.01 | FreezingCold | that seems... babd |
| 22:51.02 | FreezingCold | *bad |
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| 22:53.08 | tonytraductor | I downloaded OOo3.4.0 from the snapshot server |
| 22:53.46 | Tylertwo | I want to install FCEUX (a video game emulator). It's available in testing. Would it work to add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ "testing" main" to my /etc/apt/sources.list then update and install the package? |
| 22:54.32 | FreezingCold | tonytraductor: again you should really just try microsoft word 2008 |
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| 22:54.38 | FreezingCold | or 2010 or whatever isn't 2013 |
| 22:55.41 | Brigo | Tylertwo: try first backports |
| 22:56.21 | Brigo | dpkg tell Tylertwo backports |
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| 22:57.08 | Tylertwo | Brigo, ok, I'll look into that |
| 22:57.56 | tonytraductor | I WILL NOT USE MICROSOFT PRODUCTS! Why would you even suggest that on the Debian channel? |
| 22:58.12 | Wizard | Because they work fine on wine? |
| 22:58.17 | Wizard | :P |
| 22:58.20 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: Please stop, you're off topic and not appropriate for this channel. |
| 22:58.26 | tonytraductor | I installed the .deb for OOo3.4.0 from the snapshot server, but I can't find where it is installed. |
| 22:58.27 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: Ignore him. |
| 22:58.37 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: Did you remove the old one? |
| 22:58.45 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: dpkg -L package |
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| 22:59.14 | tonytraductor | No, but the OOo I have is the Apache OOo4.0 installed in /opt/ so I didn't imagine there'd be a conflict there. I didn't remove LOffice, either, though. |
| 22:59.26 | tonytraductor | But dpkg said it installed it, with no errors. |
| 22:59.37 | Brigo | tonytraductor: i can see your problem ... |
| 23:01.11 | drhouse123 | tonytraductor: but how you fixing uncompatibles with formats like docx, just using OO ? |
| 23:01.13 | Brigo | tonytraductor: /usr/bin/libreoffice |
| 23:01.55 | tonytraductor | /usr/bin/libreoffice is the current libreoffice from backports. not the openoffice.org 3.4.0 from the snapshot server. |
| 23:02.18 | tonytraductor | How am I fixing the incompatibilities? I'm trying to see if an older OOo will help, since I wasn't having issues back then. |
| 23:02.34 | jhutchins | drhouse123: He says it used to work, so he's trying falling back to the version that worked for him. |
| 23:02.35 | tonytraductor | Of course, if it IS some crap that M$ has pulled just recently, that probably won't fix it, either. |
| 23:02.36 | Brigo | so, the problem is with the openoffice installed with apt? |
| 23:02.48 | jhutchins | http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/10/why-microsoft-word-must-die.html |
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| 23:03.06 | tonytraductor | no, I have no OOo installed with aptitude right now, as LibreOffice is the office suite in wheezy. |
| 23:03.22 | Brigo | tonytraductor: i got lost :-/ |
| 23:03.23 | tonytraductor | I DO have Apache's OOo4.0, but that won't write to .docx, so doesn't help. |
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| 23:03.47 | Brigo | tonytraductor: did you try some plugin? |
| 23:03.50 | tonytraductor | LibreOffice is wrecking .docx files (altering formatting, or making them so they won't even open for my clients). |
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| 23:03.55 | Brigo | tonytraductor: did you try any plugin? |
| 23:04.18 | drhouse123 | tonytraductor: for some serious documents i still use mso, but it is not often, LO working good, thanks to debian team |
| 23:04.20 | tonytraductor | any plugin? That's kind of vague. Not sure where I would find one. and for what? |
| 23:04.23 | Brigo | and you cant use pdf ... |
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| 23:04.40 | Brigo | tonytraductor: to support docx. |
| 23:04.46 | tonytraductor | No. When a client sends me a .docx, I have to return a .docx (only in a different language, since I'm a translator). |
| 23:04.57 | tonytraductor | I translate French, Spanish and Portuguese to US English. |
| 23:05.13 | drhouse123 | tonytraductor: good :) |
| 23:05.19 | tonytraductor | I translated a bunch of chapters in the Debian Admin Handbook for Squeeze for Raph and Roland. |
| 23:05.40 | tonytraductor | that was French to English, of course. |
| 23:06.02 | tonytraductor | Apache OOo will open .docx, but just not write them (save to, if you prefer). |
| 23:06.15 | Frosh | When I tried to tightvncviewer into a xtightvncserver as non-root I see a static image with x mouse cursor, but as root I see gnome, are non-root user not able to vnc? because the xstartup file is the same |
| 23:06.16 | tonytraductor | I am unaware of a plugin that would remedy that situation. |
| 23:06.27 | jhutchins | SO what we're hoping is that the problem is with something that updated in a recent release of L.O. and rolling back will fix it. |
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| 23:06.53 | drhouse123 | tonytraductor: i'm too translator, Russian-English - English - Russian, but studying myself, non-professional |
| 23:06.54 | jhutchins | The real problem is if it's something Microsoft has changed. |
| 23:07.10 | Brigo | tonytraductor: may be anything like this: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=GuM6LMM9SR4~? |
| 23:07.12 | xrq | Frosh: non-privileged and non-admin users can vnc just fine |
| 23:07.36 | xrq | Frosh: you appear to have set up your vnc to only work with root |
| 23:07.39 | tonytraductor | sometimes I can get away with returning a .doc when I get a .docx |
| 23:07.51 | Frosh | xrq, am I suppose to put sudo in non-root users xstartup? |
| 23:07.53 | jhutchins | tonytraductor: You ought to require a professional markup language like LEX. |
| 23:08.02 | xrq | Frosh: no |
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| 23:08.20 | tonytraductor | gosh, I don't know, but it's only available for Windows or Suse, anyway. |
| 23:08.29 | Brigo | another way: http://www.zamzar.com/ |
| 23:08.41 | tonytraductor | I can write LaTeX, but I don't see how that helps. |
| 23:08.55 | tonytraductor | I'm certainly not going to convert my clients' documents to LaTeX. |
| 23:09.16 | xrq | Frosh: read about setting up regular users for vnc in the tightnvc manual |
| 23:09.27 | tonytraductor | Oh, and require? I'm a little guy, working for big companies. I take what they give me, or I don't get any work. |
| 23:09.38 | tonytraductor | They require stuff. I comply. |
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| 23:11.00 | Brigo | tonytraductor: and this one http://www.oooninja.com/2008/12/better-office-docx-converter.html? |
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| 23:13.39 | nickgaw | Hi, What happens to a bug report after you run reportbug on your local system is it saved anywhere as I have not yet received an email back confirming the report? |
| 23:14.04 | tonytraductor | hmmm.that seems to allow opening .docx and converting to .odf, but it is unclear to me whether it will allow writing back to .docx while preserving the formatting. I'm going to try it, though, and see what happens. |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | nickgaw: take up to an hour, be patient |
| 23:15.30 | nickgaw | my point is I just sent an email to myself from my local system and did not receive it back and did setup exim4 and configured the /etc/exim4/passwd.client file properly. |
| 23:15.49 | tonytraductor | can't seem to get that installed. there's an i386 pkg for everybody and an AMD64 pkg for ubuntu. I'm on AMD64/Debian, and couldn't get dpkg to install either of those |
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| 23:17.49 | nickgaw | is there a log of what exim is doing or the sendmail link does? |
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| 23:20.43 | Frosh | xrq: was just a permission problem thanks |
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| 23:22.24 | Tylertwo | Brigo, It seems like fceux isn't in backports so I did what I suggested earlier (got it from testing) and that seemed to work. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 23:24.24 | Brigo | tonytraductor: apt-cache show pandoc |
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| 23:24.41 | Brigo | tonytraductor: you are wellcome :-) |
| 23:26.14 | nickgaw | does the reportbug program store a local copy of the bugreport? |
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| 23:30.46 | rrn | Is it possible to add the jessie (testing) repo to a stable installation in order to be able to install packages that are available only in that repo? |
| 23:31.48 | Engys | backports? |
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| 23:32.36 | rrn | Engys: No, the package is unavailable in stable. |
| 23:32.57 | xrq | rrn: you can add it, but you are likely to encounter dependencies that you can't satisfy with your system |
| 23:33.19 | Engys | rrn, also if you add http://backports.debian.org/ ? |
| 23:33.20 | xrq | rrn: also, most who have tried this before would not recommend it |
| 23:33.28 | Brigo | rrn: yes, it is possible. |
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| 23:34.09 | rrn | xrq: Just as I thought; I'll simply compile the package. Thanks. |
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| 23:35.59 | Engys | rrn, who has tried what before .. sorry i am a little bit late |
| 23:36.42 | xrq | Engys: installing a package from unstable (jessie) on a stable system |
| 23:37.26 | Engys | ah ok, but jessie is testing not unstable .. sid is unstable ;-) |
| 23:37.54 | Wizard | And, prolly, allways will be. |
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| 23:38.55 | nickgaw | ok strange again I just did another test of sending an email using exim4 using alpine no smtp information as I wanted to see if it is sending email out using the information I put in /etc/exim4/passwd.client and no message is received when I check my email on my windows system I sent it to two email accounts this is a freshly installed debian stable system. |
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| 23:39.55 | nickgaw | what logs exist for exim4 to see what is going on and why emails are not going out when they go out when I send email using thunderbird on my windows system? |
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| 23:41.22 | ectospasm | nickgaw: look in /var/log/exim4/* |
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| 23:43.08 | Engys | xrq, so normally if you need something from testing (jessie) in stable (wheezy) you will use backports in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:44.21 | xrq | Engys: yes |
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| 23:44.45 | Engys | xrq, but? |
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| 23:45.44 | xrq | Engys: sometimes if I am able to compile it from the latest like I have done with some versions of emacs I will do that and create a package from the result |
| 23:46.03 | xrq | Engys: backports is less work though |
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| 23:47.03 | Engys | ah ok, i thought it has something to do with wine =) |
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| 23:48.12 | Engys | sorry wrong channel, my fault xP ^^ |
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| 23:50.47 | tonytraductor | pandoc isn't going to help me preserve my clients' docx documents. It writes .docx from some markup. I need to work with the .docx files sent me, translate and/or revise/proofread others' translations in them, and return them with the same formatting. |
| 23:51.50 | tonytraductor | These are often rather large documents 300 pages, 50k words or more, with complex formatting, TOCs, tables, bulleted lists and outlines of varying complexity, diagrams, etc. |
| 23:52.00 | tonytraductor | technical specifications, contracts, patents, stuff like that. |
| 23:52.07 | tonytraductor | (not software patents) |
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| 23:52.49 | Nirkus | i am impressed... jessie did just install like a stale release |
| 23:53.16 | nickgaw | ok I think I fixed the issue the exim4 configuration had values like host names I did not need in them so once these were fixed now where does the reportbug program store the bugreport on my local system? I have not rebooted sence I sent the report but don't think the report went out do I need to refile it again completely? |
| 23:54.48 | abrotman | tonytraductor: did you try the backports version yet? |
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| 23:56.26 | tonytraductor | I thought I had the backports version, but see now that I do not. Adding backports repo now (had only the mozilla backports repo listed). |
| 23:56.30 | tonytraductor | hold on |
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| 23:59.42 | tonytraductor | hmmm...no libreoffice in wheezy backports. just some bits and pieces (browser plugin, Vietnamese help files...strange). |
