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| 00:00.39 | nickgaw | does exim4 normally keep failed messages if dns lookups timeout? |
| 00:03.00 | Frosh | anyone setup openmediavault via a package from debian? |
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| 00:14.27 | Elemeno | Hey, Anyone use ncmpcpp? |
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| 00:14.54 | Elemeno | if not, I highly recommend it as a mp3 player |
| 00:15.25 | Elemeno | if you're like me and have been trying to make a remote music player |
| 00:15.30 | Elemeno | I've tried everythintg |
| 00:15.33 | Elemeno | everything* |
| 00:15.44 | abrotman | mpd ? |
| 00:16.03 | Elemeno | yeah mpd |
| 00:16.21 | Elemeno | amazing interfacing with it |
| 00:16.58 | abrotman | didn't i tell you mpd a few days ago? |
| 00:17.05 | Elemeno | I don't think so |
| 00:17.18 | Elemeno | I just started coming on irc again about 2-3 days ago |
| 00:17.23 | Elemeno | actually... |
| 00:17.26 | Elemeno | maybe... |
| 00:17.27 | Elemeno | haha |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | yes, i did |
| 00:18.06 | Elemeno | well thanks for leading me down that road |
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| 00:20.50 | Elemeno | abrotman, what are you using as a client |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | i don't |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | music is the devil's work |
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| 00:32.37 | b-tag | Guys, what directory I can use to store temp files as a regular user? |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | /tmp/ |
| 00:33.23 | b-tag | So I can create/delete files there as a regular user? |
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| 00:34.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | did you try? |
| 00:35.07 | b-tag | Just going to... |
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| 00:40.52 | iguano | http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/ |
| 00:41.30 | Kenta | Yay spam? |
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| 00:42.38 | jordilopezamat | dear #debian community |
| 00:43.20 | nickgaw | is there a way I can stop a bug report as I did not know exim4 would save all messages that had failed and sent in two bug reports about the same issue they had slightly different content but are basically the same? |
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| 00:43.46 | nickgaw | I am not even sure if they made it to the debian bug tracking system yet |
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| 00:44.53 | jordilopezamat | i tried to (stupidly) install (obsolete) Kompozer by 'wget http:// ... ' and 'sudo dpkg -i kompozer*.deb' ,,, how can i undo the installation ? thanks ! |
| 00:45.27 | vectr0n | jordilopezamat, you should be able to remove it using the apt-get purge command |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: man dpkg |
| 00:45.37 | vectr0n | that as well ^ |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | nickgaw: close one as a duplicate if they've both made it |
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| 00:46.56 | nickgaw | how do I know if they both made it or not as I got a message on my windows system saying that exim4 failed to deliver the bugreport but I only got one of those messages so how do I know if they both got submitted or not? |
| 00:47.13 | peterrooney_ | jordilopezamat: dpkg -P kompozer |
| 00:48.05 | guest43242 | anyone know where people that code hunspell lurk? |
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| 00:53.17 | b-tag | abrotman, thanks, that works :) |
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| 00:57.36 | MrMonkey31 | hi. if a package exists in a debian repo, what does that mean about its quality, with respect to personal security? can anything be gleaned with only a cursory check? |
| 00:57.40 | jordilopezamat | thanks vectrOn |
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| 01:01.06 | MrMonkey31 | uh to rephrase: where does debian end and the programming world begin - does it have anything to do with the keyword "contrib"? (am noob, need the helpz) |
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| 01:04.58 | AlexLikeRock | what its better ? HDV (1440x1080i/29.97) --> Prosumer standard |
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| 01:06.45 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: what? |
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| 01:07.13 | AlexLikeRock | "i" = interlaced video OR "p" = Native Progressive |
| 01:07.30 | dvs | AlexLikeRock: definitely progressive |
| 01:07.46 | AlexLikeRock | tanks a lot:) |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: how is this related to Debian? |
| 01:08.24 | drhouse123 | abrotman: and soldiers |
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| 01:08.53 | AlexLikeRock | i using "kdenlive" |
| 01:09.10 | AlexLikeRock | they ask about profile to choice |
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| 01:26.58 | TaZeR | is it true Debian is a hot chick? |
| 01:27.15 | AlexLikeRock | THIS IS real ;-) |
| 01:27.26 | AlexLikeRock | ask |
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| 01:29.12 | MrMonkey31 | hoy, fellow enthusiasts (of stuff) - does anyone play Hammerwatch? has played? would like to, and are looking for a buddy? *waves* |
| 01:30.51 | TaZeR | i had a dream that a beautiful girl came to me and her name was Lady Debian |
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| 01:30.53 | abrotman | MrMonkey31: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 01:33.34 | MrMonkey31 | abrotman: yes (see history). also I was filling the lull with a cheerful social question. do you have a cheerful suggestion for me at this time? |
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| 01:35.44 | abrotman | MrMonkey31: #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:37.14 | ac_slater | Hey guys, I'm working on some deb packages. Something happened in my testing and I'm getting Input/Output error when removing, etc |
| 01:37.17 | ac_slater | any idea? |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | removing what? |
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| 01:38.40 | ac_slater | removing my package |
| 01:38.53 | ac_slater | ie - I'm testing my pre/post install scripts, etc. |
| 01:39.02 | abrotman | pastebin |
| 01:39.03 | ac_slater | The I/O error is when reading the package list |
| 01:39.15 | ac_slater | abrotman: sure one sec. |
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| 01:44.16 | ac_slater | abrotman: http://dpaste.de/Vmwx |
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| 01:49.34 | abrotman | but only your package? |
| 01:49.44 | ac_slater | abrotman: yup |
| 01:49.48 | ac_slater | As far I can tell |
| 01:51.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ac_slater about mentors |
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| 01:52.35 | ac_slater | abrotman: yea I know about mentors I might go there |
| 01:52.40 | ac_slater | go there next* |
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| 02:16.39 | Elemeno | Anyone want to play cs:go |
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| 02:18.31 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:18.31 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:27.09 | john_rambo | I am running wheezy Gnome 3. I have downloaded a Gnome 3 shell theme and copied it /home/name/themes but when I open gnome-tweak-tool, I see a mark of exclamation beside the shell theme box ....What's wrong ? |
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| 02:35.21 | abrotman | john_rambo: you need the gnome theme selector extension |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | (so the internets say) |
| 02:36.40 | john_rambo | abrotman, OKay .... |
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| 02:45.47 | scooty_puff | im trying to install compiz and i added sit repos but it still wont let me install compiz |
| 02:46.52 | abrotman | there is no compiz in Debian |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | and it's dead upstream |
| 02:47.07 | hfp | Hi all! I hope someone will be able to answer me. I am working on a VoIP system, from deploying FreeSWITCH to configuring it and coding the call flow logic. I am doing this on my laptop using a virtual machine. Is there a guide or a howto or something that would guide me from taking all the configuring and setting up I did on the vm and move it to the production server in our datacenter? For the code, I am using bitbucket, but what abo |
| 02:47.08 | hfp | the configuration? Is there a piece of software that could compare the actual VM to a default debian install and generate a script to "import" the changes I made? Pardon my ignorance but I am an amateur coder so I don't know how it's supposed to be done. Thanks! |
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| 02:48.14 | scooty_puff | abtotman: i thought it was still in sid |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | scooty_puff: you'd be incorrect |
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| 02:50.07 | adriancruz | hey there, i have a big trouble in my server, i purged apache2 in debian using apt-get --purge remove and when i reinstall he just download the deb but nothing more .. any advice |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | what's the trouble? |
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| 02:53.38 | adriancruz | albrotman when i try to install again my apache2 in debian lenny it just download the deb file but nothing more, no config no modules nothing :( |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | that's a new one |
| 02:54.07 | abrotman | LENNY!? |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | adriancruz: you shouldn't be running apache on a lenny system |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | and you want to remove apache2-common or whatever it is |
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| 02:55.34 | adriancruz | abrotman, yup, i know debian lenny sucks, but that is the server i have running here :( |
| 02:56.34 | peterrooney | Lenny is so out of date and security updates that its factoid isn't even wrong any more. |
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| 02:57.54 | adriancruz | abrotman, i removed everything ... and now when i try to install .. the system sayd "apache2 installed" but is a lie, |
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| 02:58.07 | abrotman | adriancruz: you didn't remove the -common package |
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| 02:58.20 | adriancruz | abrotman, yup , i purge everything |
| 02:58.46 | adriancruz | abrotman, even the /etc/apache2 files |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell adriancruz about confmiss |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | don't do that next time |
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| 03:00.52 | tonytraductor | installing LibreOffice 4.0.6 from upstream seems to have resolved some of my .docx compatibility issues. |
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| 03:01.01 | tonytraductor | Just thought I'd stop back in an let that be known. |
| 03:01.08 | tonytraductor | older versions of OOo or LO did not help. |
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| 03:01.47 | tonytraductor | The compatibility problems are from updates to MS' file formats, which older (and current wheezy pkg) LO nor OOo were able to properly manage. |
| 03:02.38 | adriancruz | abrotman done |
| 03:03.28 | adriancruz | abrotman, i did but no unpack the deb files :( |
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| 03:04.29 | abrotman | you'll have to use pastebin to show us |
| 03:04.59 | adriancruz | pastebin |
| 03:05.36 | adriancruz | abrotman, abrotman pastebin.ca not working , may you give me other ? |
| 03:06.34 | erm3nda | some poeple says pastebin is a shit :)... they recommend some focused paste services |
| 03:06.51 | erm3nda | dont know if debian has its own pastesoft |
| 03:07.00 | adriancruz | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/x74Yxvuf there you go |
| 03:07.29 | erm3nda | paste.debian.net/ here is |
| 03:07.59 | abrotman | !localized errors |
| 03:08.00 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 03:08.09 | erm3nda | is recommended to use it, because some other can search and find your paste usefull :) |
| 03:08.56 | erm3nda | Hi mumpitze1 :) |
| 03:09.02 | adriancruz | erm3nda, http://paste.debian.net/61787/ |
| 03:09.12 | adriancruz | abrotman, there is the complete error |
| 03:09.26 | erm3nda | anda, si es con apache |
| 03:09.50 | erm3nda | me puedes resumir aparte de eso qué mas has probado? |
| 03:09.53 | erm3nda | es que no tengo log de antes |
| 03:10.20 | adriancruz | erm3nda, h hecho de todo, hasta baje los fuentes de internet (con tremendo trabajo) y nada |
| 03:10.31 | erm3nda | instalando con apt-get te dá lo mismo? |
| 03:10.43 | erm3nda | yo he instaldo cientos de veces bajo varias arquitecturas sin problema |
| 03:10.47 | erm3nda | sin ese problema al menos :) |
| 03:10.55 | abrotman | english here |
| 03:10.56 | adriancruz | erm3nda, si descarga los debs pero no los descomprime , ni me crea las configuraciones, no me hace nada |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:11.07 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 03:11.10 | adriancruz | abrotman, i have done everything |
| 03:11.18 | adriancruz | abrotman, sorry pal, there you go |
| 03:11.19 | erm3nda | srry, im Spanish, then more fluid into my lang, and if i want to help it, i must use Spanish |
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| 03:11.23 | erm3nda | is really a must? |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:11.38 | erm3nda | so, maybe cant help in this mode... |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | looks at chanserv |
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| 03:11.55 | erm3nda | maybe i will go out or by private chat instead the main flood? |
| 03:12.14 | erm3nda | will be so useless... spanis people use these forum as well :) |
| 03:12.27 | erm3nda | forum, damn, srry, char... |
| 03:12.28 | erm3nda | chat |
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| 03:19.29 | Hydroxide | erm3nda: #debian-es can help you in spanish |
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| 03:22.14 | fruitFly | how do I install two packages in the same command? apt-get install? |
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| 03:23.57 | LtL | fruitFly: apt-get install package1 2 3 etc. |
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| 03:25.11 | fruitFly | LtL: thank you, better yet when I run dpkg -i ppackage.deb, it says i'm missing multiple dependencies, what command can I run to install the package with all it's missing dependencies? |
| 03:25.46 | LtL | fruitFly: apt-get -f install |
| 03:26.33 | fruitFly | LtL: so Ican apt install a .deb? I tried using dpkg to install it initially |
| 03:27.16 | Hydroxide | fruitFly: use dpkg to install it, then use LtL's suggestion to fix the dependencies |
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| 03:28.22 | jordanm | the apt-get -f install will only work if they are not pre-depends, but it's pretty rare for a package to declare a pre-depends |
| 03:28.28 | erm3nda | Hydroxide: dont kwno, thanks! |
| 03:28.29 | erm3nda | kwno |
| 03:28.30 | fruitFly | Hydroxide: LtL i did dpkg -i .deb but then it told me the missing dependencies, do i just apt-get -f install *the same .deb*? |
| 03:28.33 | erm3nda | know... :( |
| 03:28.49 | LtL | fruitFly: apt-get -f install ..thats all |
| 03:28.50 | jordanm | fruitFly: "apt-get -f install" |
| 03:28.52 | jordanm | nothing more |
| 03:29.01 | fruitFly | ohhhhhhhhh k thanks :) |
| 03:29.31 | jordanm | it would be nice if apt-get could just combine those two steps for you... yum can do it |
| 03:29.31 | Hydroxide | erm3nda: now you know. :) you can receive help there. enjoy! |
| 03:30.33 | fruitFly | Hydroxide: jordanm LtL it didn't install 1 of the packeds? just manually apt-get it? |
| 03:30.35 | Hydroxide | jordanm: that's not a bad idea. there's roughly a year left for someone to do that before the next version of debian will freeze |
| 03:30.56 | Hydroxide | jordanm: probably less for something as critical as apt |
| 03:31.02 | Hydroxide | jordanm: feel free to assist if you can code :) |
| 03:31.17 | Hydroxide | jordanm: (I have no idea whether the teams will like the idea, but they might.) |
| 03:31.45 | Hydroxide | fruitFly: is this not an official package from debian? |
| 03:31.49 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I can code, but unfortunatelly not C and I assume apt has a high learning curve |
| 03:32.04 | jordanm | !tell fruitFly about bat |
| 03:32.06 | Hydroxide | jordanm: I don't know how high the learning curve is. |
| 03:32.34 | fruitFly | libv8-3.14.5 Hydroxide |
| 03:32.52 | Hydroxide | jordanm: for something like this, it's probably not as high as if you had to modify the dependency functonality itself. this is just combining a dpkg -i and a apt-get -f install |
| 03:32.53 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I have seen some uhh... bickering between apt maintainers on lists |
| 03:33.05 | jordanm | I got the impression from those discussions that it was |
| 03:33.22 | Hydroxide | jordanm: debian does have a lot of flamewars. it means less than it seems, in general |
| 03:33.33 | jordanm | Hydroxide: especially today |
| 03:33.40 | fruitFly | jordanm: how do you copy the from xterminal? |
| 03:33.49 | Hydroxide | jordanm: we've actually gotten better over time |
| 03:34.13 | jordanm | fruitFly: just highlight and middle click to paste |
| 03:34.43 | Hydroxide | fruitFly: if you're trying to install backports, you should be doing it a different way - see backports.debian.org |
| 03:34.54 | jordanm | Hydroxide: it seemed to be the polar opposite in person at debconf. everyone was nice to each other and a lot of team work |
| 03:34.54 | fruitFly | jordanm: middle click? scrool wheel? what if one were on a laptop? |
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| 03:35.15 | jordanm | fruitFly: right and left click at the same time |
| 03:36.11 | Hydroxide | jordanm: it's not actually clear to me whether it's a good thing to combine them - for non-developer users, it's only rarely required, and usually the user is accomplishing their goal in a suboptimal way. |
| 03:36.30 | Hydroxide | jordanm: like, fruitFly seems to be trying to install a jessie or wheezy-backports package on wheezy or squeeze |
| 03:36.41 | Hydroxide | jordanm: installing a single deb with dpkg isn't the right way to do that |
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| 03:37.23 | jordanm | Hydroxide: that's true, but there are plenty of non-free 3rd party packages tagetting stable |
| 03:37.26 | Hydroxide | jordanm: about the only case I can see where it makes sense for non-developers is something like skype where they've offered binary .debs for download, but that is extremely prone to breakage and they don't offer a repository to receive updated versions |
| 03:37.28 | jordanm | eg google-chrome |
| 03:37.38 | Hydroxide | jordanm: google provides repositories |
| 03:38.04 | jordanm | yes, their .deb adds their sources in sources.list.d |
| 03:38.30 | jordanm | which I find easier than looking up the repo URL. anyways, that just an example |
| 03:38.35 | Hydroxide | jordanm: do you have to use apt-get -f install for google-chrome? |
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| 03:38.44 | Hydroxide | jordanm: or do they actually test that it works? |
| 03:38.47 | jordanm | uhh.. better example I guess would be the .deb I downloaded from the humble bundle yesterday |
| 03:38.59 | Hydroxide | jordanm: right. google is pretty good about avoiding that issue. |
| 03:39.38 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I don't recall if I had to apt-get -f install for chrome or not |
| 03:39.40 | Hydroxide | yup. non-free debs for people who mainly use macs and don't want to maintain a repository and use fpm to spit out a deb and add dependencies ad-hoc |
| 03:39.50 | Hydroxide | (ad-hoc = when an ubuntu user tells them it's wrong) |
| 03:39.56 | Hydroxide | *from those people, not for them |
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| 03:41.06 | Hydroxide | jordanm: just about to download google-chrome now to see. I notice that the download page provides 32-bit and 64-bit versions, lists both debian and ubuntu as target platforms, and gives a note about it adding the repository with instructions to prevent that from happening |
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| 03:45.31 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I have been using the upstream chrome packages since the closed linux beta and I have never had a package or dependency related issue |
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| 03:45.45 | jordanm | Hydroxide: although they were quick to drop support for squeeze when wheezy was released |
| 03:45.51 | fruitFly | I'm trying to install node.js http://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs did I break my machine? http://pastebin.com/QxuZ0eSq |
| 03:46.23 | jordanm | use a pastebin site that doesn't suck |
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| 03:46.56 | fruitFly | jordanm: sry, next time |
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| 03:47.39 | fruitFly | jordanm: should i paste again? |
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| 03:48.04 | jordanm | fruitFly: no, that looks fine. it's "nodejs" not node |
| 03:48.13 | BenNZ | fruitFly: install the deps in this case looks like libc-ares2 and libv8-3.14.5 |
| 03:48.30 | jordanm | IIRC "node" command was already being used in debian for many years |
| 03:48.44 | fruitFly | jordanm: HAHAAA THANK YOU :D :* |
| 03:49.11 | jordanm | fruitFly: in the future: |
| 03:49.13 | jordanm | !ssb |
| 03:49.13 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 03:49.21 | jordanm | ,versions nodejs |
| 03:49.22 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- jessie: 0.10.20~dfsg1-1; sid: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1 |
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| 03:50.46 | z0d | hi |
| 03:50.50 | fruitFly | jordanm: i am a complete linux noob, what is a backport. I know sid is the unstable deb, but i wanted the newest node so I still just download the dependencies |
| 03:51.21 | jordanm | fruitFly: a backport where is when newer software is "ported" to older versions of the OS |
| 03:51.31 | z0d | is there any way I can query the presence of VT-d support? it isn't in /proc/cpuinfo, and I know my CPU supports it |
| 03:51.32 | jordanm | typically by rebuilding the package on those older versions of the OS |
| 03:51.46 | jordanm | z0d: is it enabled in the BIOS? |
| 03:51.51 | z0d | jordanm: yep |
| 03:52.30 | fruitFly | jordanm: what i just downloaded is bleeding edge, so i guess it's not a backport then, right? just "unstable" software? |
| 03:52.33 | themill | z0d: isn't that reported as "vmx" in the cpuflags? |
| 03:52.41 | jordanm | z0d: then you should have the vmx or svm flag in cpuinfo |
| 03:52.59 | z0d | vmx and svm are VT-x |
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| 03:53.21 | z0d | VT-d is IOMMU virtualization |
| 03:53.31 | z0d | and I do see vmx in cpuinfo |
| 03:53.34 | Hydroxide | jordanm: chrome does move pretty fast in terms of that kind of thing, yeah |
| 03:54.06 | Hydroxide | jordanm: that said, they actually support debian, which isn't very common among proprietary software :) |
| 03:54.12 | Hydroxide | jordanm: instead of just pretending ubuntu is the same :) |
| 03:54.33 | jordanm | yeah... like steam |
| 03:54.36 | Hydroxide | jordanm: (since we're talking about google: I work for them, but not on chrome, and am not speaking as a googler here) |
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| 03:55.00 | jordanm | I think things are easier now, but I installed out of beta and I ended up just manually upacking the deb and running the installer scripts that were inside of it |
| 03:55.20 | jordanm | for steam. not google-chrome |
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| 03:55.24 | fruitFly | how to paste in to terminal? |
| 03:55.25 | Hydroxide | jordanm: gotcha |
| 03:55.59 | jordanm | fruitFly: ctrl+shift+v |
| 03:56.08 | fruitFly | jordanm: not working |
| 03:56.12 | jordanm | or right/middle click in xterm |
| 03:56.32 | jordanm | if you are using xterm, ditch it and install something good like konsole |
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| 03:57.49 | Hydroxide | or gnome-terminal if you're in gnome. (I like konsole myself - I'm in kde) |
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| 04:02.02 | cretsiah | is there an easy way to do a net-install of debian via wi-fi? |
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| 04:02.42 | jordanm | cretsiah: yeah... as long as you don't need WPA |
| 04:03.37 | jordanm | unless they added WPA support to D-I for wheezy, but I don't think they did |
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| 04:04.29 | themill | yes, d-i supports wpa2 -- the firmware for your wifi hardware is more problematic |
| 04:05.17 | erm3nda | instal from wi-fi? OMG, i only play once using Ethernet :) |
| 04:05.54 | jordanm | that can easily be solved with a usb drive or kmuto cd |
| 04:06.14 | erm3nda | sure |
| 04:06.18 | themill | !firmware images |
| 04:06.19 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 04:06.25 | jordanm | err, maybe not. doesn't look like he has them for wheezy |
| 04:06.30 | themill | yeah, not yet |
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| 04:08.26 | fruitFly | how do i search my entire filesystem? looking for a node.js app (in windows it launches in terminal), maybe it doesn't exist though? |
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| 04:08.34 | cretsiah | wpa2 is what i have |
| 04:08.47 | jordanm | fruitFly: find / -name '*.js' |
| 04:09.13 | jordanm | fruitFly: dpkg -L nodejs # show files included in nodejs package |
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| 04:35.50 | Konomi | where does the wheezy installer if at all put a swap file if it makes one? |
| 04:36.07 | erm3nda1 | use locate or find tool for that |
| 04:36.19 | erm3nda1 | shen you make the swap you need to set the location |
| 04:36.24 | erm3nda1 | maybe in /etc/swapfile |
| 04:36.29 | erm3nda1 | or /mnt/swapfile |
| 04:36.33 | boudiccas | how can i sort through 2 directories [/kindle/backup and /kindle/master] and delete the duplicate files off /kindle/backup please? |
| 04:36.35 | erm3nda1 | look into fstab file |
| 04:36.52 | erm3nda1 | maybe you have a entry for load the swap, and here is the location |
| 04:36.57 | Konomi | erm3nda1: it's more cause I want to make one and put it in a standard spot I don't have one to find |
| 04:37.19 | erm3nda1 | aha, then create a swap is easy |
| 04:37.27 | erm3nda1 | wait, i will give you a link |
| 04:37.42 | Konomi | I know how to |
| 04:37.46 | Konomi | I just want to put it in a good spot |
| 04:38.10 | Konomi | the usual spot one would expect to find it for example xD |
| 04:38.12 | erm3nda1 | because the swapfile is a regular file, no one is better |
| 04:38.20 | erm3nda1 | i use /mnt/ because is where storages resides |
| 04:38.26 | erm3nda1 | and dones not interfere at all |
| 04:38.28 | Konomi | okay |
| 04:38.37 | erm3nda1 | /mnt/swapfile is mine :) |
| 04:38.44 | erm3nda1 | with no extension |
| 04:38.50 | erm3nda1 | no matter |
| 04:38.56 | erm3nda1 | remember to include into fstab :) |
| 04:38.59 | Konomi | yup |
| 04:40.47 | erm3nda1 | Hey. DOnt know what is niggers... Maybe Nigerian? |
| 04:41.05 | erm3nda1 | snardbafu|ator <- this man is telling me some bad things about they by private |
| 04:41.12 | erm3nda1 | kick it, spammer sure |
| 04:41.29 | jordanm | boudiccas: recursively? |
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| 04:42.18 | *** kick/#debian [snardbafu|ator!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better) |
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| 04:42.42 | TaZeR | yea you bad bad man! |
| 04:42.54 | jordanm | !ops snardbafu|ator is PM spamming raciest stuff |
| 04:42.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jordanm complains about: snardbafu|ator is PM spamming raciest stuff |
| 04:42.58 | erm3nda1 | yes |
| 04:43.10 | erm3nda1 | Lol, cool list :S |
| 04:43.23 | erm3nda1 | dont know this feature from dpkg... racism list :) |
| 04:49.33 | jordanm | boudiccas: shopt -s globstar; for f in /kindle/master/**; do n="${f#/kindle/master*}"; [[ -f $n ]] && echo rm -f /kindle/backup/"$f"; done |
| 04:49.42 | jordanm | boudiccas: shopt -s globstar; for f in /kindle/master/**; do n="${f#/kindle/master*}"; [[ -f $n ]] && echo rm -f /kindle/backup/"$n"; done |
| 04:50.42 | jordanm | boudiccas: you can add in an md5sum comparison to make sure they are the same if you want |
| 04:51.14 | Hydroxide | erm3nda1: yeah, !ops tells us about abuse in the channel |
| 04:51.27 | Hydroxide | erm3nda1: and one of us deals with it |
| 04:52.23 | themill | boudiccas: a tool like fdupes might be handy for you here. Or you can rsync them into the one directory. Or you could use git-annex which automatically de-duplicates the content. |
| 04:53.26 | boudiccas | jordanm; thanks, i'll have a play |
| 04:53.53 | boudiccas | themill; yes, the git idea sonds possible |
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| 04:54.01 | erm3nda1 | i see from jordanm usage ;) thanks |
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| 04:55.24 | themill | boudiccas: git-annex, not just git. It takes a bit of setting up but I've found it great for dealing with things like media files that tend not to change very often. http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ The package is in wheezy-backports |
| 04:56.16 | jordanm | themill: sorry, I didn't see that you had kicked him before I called !ops |
| 04:56.46 | themill | jordanm: np. Happened at about the same time. |
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| 05:07.06 | boudiccas | themill; thanks, git-annex looks quite interesting, i've just installed it and will have a play with it soon |
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| 05:45.11 | mrmoney2012 | hi all, this works for a user .. "screen -L -dmS website /home/pi/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.0.0-p247/bin/ruby /home/pi/website/rweb.rb -o 0.0.0.0" but doesn't work when i put it on a @reboot line in the users crontab (crontab -e)... any clues? (I need the app to start at boot) |
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| 06:04.04 | coobra | is there a debian/sunmachine chanel ? |
| 06:04.46 | erm3nda | sunmachin? |
| 06:04.57 | erm3nda | whats that? |
| 06:05.33 | SpeedyG | i'd guess Sun/SPARC ? :) |
| 06:05.37 | coobra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems |
| 06:05.40 | coobra | yes |
| 06:06.19 | SpeedyG | !tell coobra SPARC |
| 06:06.27 | erm3nda | i no |
| 06:06.30 | SpeedyG | !tell coobra about SPARC |
| 06:06.39 | SpeedyG | there you go :) |
| 06:06.42 | erm3nda | dont know with sunmachine. i do not relation it :( |
| 06:07.22 | erm3nda | did u try use /list feature? |
| 06:07.43 | SpeedyG | erm3nda: no need, dpkg just sent coobra a query with info about the sunSparc channel on oftc |
| 06:07.46 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 06:08.02 | SpeedyG | (and /list provides a huge amount of channels which is far from useful :) ) |
| 06:08.29 | erm3nda | :S |
| 06:08.31 | erm3nda | wow |
| 06:08.39 | erm3nda | list is a shit, but an option |
| 06:08.49 | erm3nda | this is a little better http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat=debian+ |
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| 06:09.27 | somiaj | problem is most the debian channels are on another network so that wouldn't work. This is a useful link https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
| 06:09.33 | somiaj | of course it is all oftc channels |
| 06:09.40 | SpeedyG | imho best options are: 1) ask here, 2) ask dpkg (the bot), 3) ask google (not necessarily in that order though :) ) |
| 06:09.46 | erm3nda | wich is the real use of a SunSparc machine?= |
| 06:10.11 | somiaj | erm3nda: they use to be top of the line super computers, not sure how they rank these days though. |
| 06:10.17 | erm3nda | i dont know to use dpkg bot |
| 06:10.25 | erm3nda | i tried dpkg !Pizza |
| 06:10.28 | erm3nda | no result :) |
| 06:10.33 | SpeedyG | erm3nda: send it a query and it will answer |
| 06:10.40 | erm3nda | syntax? |
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| 06:10.56 | nullby7e | how can i install nouveau driver? |
| 06:11.01 | somiaj | erm3nda: its a factiod bot, you send it a key word, it returns a response. |
| 06:11.03 | SpeedyG | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.12 | erm3nda | by PM? |
| 06:11.15 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 06:11.19 | erm3nda | i see ther'es a command from here too |
| 06:11.21 | erm3nda | dont? |
| 06:11.48 | somiaj | nullby7e: what version of debian, the drivers should be included by default and if you have a supported card detected as the default too |
| 06:11.57 | SpeedyG | anyway, time to hit the showers... am just back from a run :) |
| 06:12.12 | nullby7e | somiaj: yes I know, Debian 7.2 but i have removed nouveau i want to restore it back |
| 06:12.12 | somiaj | erm3nda: /msg dpkg factiod is the prefered method. You can also make dpkg tell teh factiod to the channel, but that shoud be saved for a discussion in the channel not for personal use |
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| 06:12.42 | somiaj | nullby7e: what do you mean remove? Did you remove the xorg nouveau package or did you just install the non-free nvidia drivers and use those isntead? |
| 06:13.35 | nullby7e | somiaj: no i just have removed the packages and now i have installed it again but there is no full-screen display in console and there is no correctly display in X |
| 06:14.26 | somiaj | nullby7e: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 06:14.52 | somiaj | nullby7e: that is the package name for the driver, the other part is included in the linux kernel, check 'lsmod | grep nouveau' if the module isn't loaded you can try to load it and see what errors you get |
| 06:14.54 | nullby7e | somiaj: yes i have installed that |
| 06:15.10 | somiaj | do you have anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or any file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 06:15.25 | nullby7e | somiaj: everything is loaded |
| 06:15.28 | nullby7e | like modules |
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| 06:16.08 | somiaj | nullby7e: I only asked if the nouveau module was loaded, if it is, make sure you have a blank xorg.conf file and nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory (i.e. make sure you aren't telling xorg to use a paticular driver) |
| 06:16.51 | nullby7e | somiaj: see for me is important conosle, before i have a console in full screen becouse my monitor doesn't have scalling options in settings, and in console like also BIOS and dos screen is centered no fully-screened with nouveau that is fixed but now when iremove nouveau and install it again in console/tty there is no full screen back |
| 06:17.07 | nullby7e | ok |
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| 06:18.17 | somiaj | I guess I don't understand your issue. So you are talking about the kvm (modern framebuffer) for a console to make it various resolutions? |
| 06:18.36 | nullby7e | yes |
| 06:19.14 | nullby7e | i mean nouveau driver for modern framebuffer |
| 06:19.26 | nullby7e | full screened |
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| 06:28.11 | mickej | Hi, I've got some kind of extra stupid question: Am I obligated to mount / |
| 06:28.55 | magnetophon | mickej: should be mounted automatically |
| 06:31.13 | mickej | The question is ehat if i wont put it in fstab |
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| 06:33.04 | peterrooney | mickej: then your system won't be able to mount / at boot, which... is the entire point of booting. |
| 06:35.33 | mickej | I've heardthere is rootfs, or something like that which is mounterd by kernel before / is mounted for real |
| 06:35.47 | somiaj | I guess it is kinda circular, in order to read fstab and get to the point you 'mount' file systems you have to have some knowledge of / in the first place. |
| 06:35.50 | peterrooney | mickej: no filesystem means no programs. And it's not a stupid question if you can remember the answer. |
| 06:37.58 | mickej | peterrooney: i'd like to mount /bin, /usr/bin etc... separatly |
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| 06:44.49 | TaZeR | Lady Debian such a graceful woman |
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| 06:53.38 | peterrooney | mickej: you can set this during the install phase. |
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| 06:57.56 | somiaj | mickej: any reason why? That seems like an odd choice of partitions |
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| 06:58.33 | somiaj | there really isn't much in /bin that I dont' see why you'd want a seperate partition/filesystem for it |
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| 06:59.13 | Mortvert | Oh hello. |
| 06:59.24 | Mortvert | How can one disable incremental upgrades? |
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| 07:01.41 | fleeky_ | would arbitrarily updating automake break anything else ? |
| 07:02.03 | fleeky_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.38 | somiaj | Mortvert: what do you mean by that? |
| 07:03.48 | somiaj | Mortvert: like not upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2? |
| 07:03.52 | Mortvert | somiaj, doesn't apt upgrade by getting diffs? |
| 07:04.11 | Mortvert | Unless I'm completly off-course how apt actually works |
| 07:04.13 | somiaj | fleeky_: what version of automake do you need? |
| 07:04.36 | somiaj | Mortvert: that is how it 'updates' but when you upgrade it downloads the full packages |
| 07:04.37 | fleeky_ | 1.11.4 i believe |
| 07:05.11 | somiaj | fleeky_: 1.11.6 is the default version in wheezy, I don't see that as an issue then |
| 07:05.18 | somiaj | fleeky_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:05.48 | somiaj | fleeky_: or do you mean 1.14 (That is the ersion in jessie/sid) |
| 07:05.58 | fleeky_ | er i think i meant that |
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| 07:06.25 | somiaj | fleeky_: I'd personally suggest trying to backport it (/msg dpkg ssb) as opposed to installing it form source in /usr/local |
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| 07:06.59 | somiaj | you can of course do that, but you may want stow (to manage /usr/local installs) and need equivs if you need to put a package into dpkg to let it know it is there. |
| 07:07.19 | somiaj | fleeky_: /msg dpkg equivs as well |
| 07:07.51 | somiaj | Mortvert: so note update only changes your local database (i.e. it updates to the current packages and versions available in your repos defined in sources.list) |
| 07:08.08 | Mortvert | somiaj, ah, okay. thanks. |
| 07:08.16 | somiaj | Mortvert: upgrade actually upgrades the packages, and in this case it dosent' do it by diffs, but downloads the full version of the upgraded packages and installs them |
| 07:08.30 | Mortvert | I got it wrong then. Thanks. |
| 07:08.34 | somiaj | Mortvert: I think jessie/sid do update with diffs because it is faster as they are chaning all the time. |
| 07:08.54 | fleeky_ | also although its based off debian i am running mint, not sure how wise it is to mix repos |
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| 07:09.27 | somiaj | fleeky_: the basics are the same, don't mix repos, but you can compile source packages from other repos if you want |
| 07:09.42 | Mortvert | somiaj, thanks. I'm running raspbian and didn't want to kill my SD card after 30 upgrades |
| 07:10.03 | Mortvert | especially when the upgrade is 200+ packages |
| 07:10.05 | mumpitze1 | !raspbian |
| 07:10.06 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 07:10.07 | somiaj | fleeky_: also please do not use #debian to support mint. Due to techinical and social reasons (we are here to support debian, not any bassed off of debian stuff) |
| 07:10.53 | fleeky_ | somiaj: fair enough, |
| 07:11.33 | somiaj | fleeky_: /msg dpkg mint (they have their own support community) |
| 07:11.40 | Mortvert | mumpitze1, thanks. |
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| 07:36.08 | Konomi | does anyone happen to by chance know if you can do both key auth and password auth with ssh? |
| 07:36.13 | Konomi | combinign the two for extra security |
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| 07:37.56 | phy1729 | Konomi: just put a password on your pubkey file |
| 07:38.05 | Konomi | right so entirely possible? |
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| 07:38.11 | Konomi | I just wnated to know before I did the research |
| 07:38.17 | rendar | apt-get dist-upgrade screwed up my system, it updated grub modules but not grub itself, and now i need a live cd (not dvd, because i don't have a dvd burner) of a linux amd64, anyone can help me, before i throw a fist to the screen? :) |
| 07:38.20 | phr3ak | phy1729: that's not same |
| 07:39.22 | somiaj | rendar: what version of debian do you run? |
| 07:39.38 | rendar | wheezy |
| 07:39.45 | rendar | i upgraded from squeeze |
| 07:40.16 | Konomi | anyone got a yes or a no for me ;p ? |
| 07:40.17 | somiaj | rendar: okay, yea that is problem matic. You don't actually need a livecd, you can use the netinstall to recover grub |
| 07:40.33 | rendar | somiaj: i can't boot the system |
| 07:40.45 | rendar | somiaj: you mean debian netinstall cd? |
| 07:41.08 | somiaj | rendar: yes, it isn't a functional as a livecd but it has enough tools to mount your install, chroot into it and fix it from there |
| 07:41.38 | rendar | somiaj: cool because yesterday the live cd of debian didn't get grub-install |
| 07:41.41 | somiaj | rendar: also at live.debian.net there are a 'standard' and 'rescue' live option that will fit on a cd. It will give you a nice live enviroment it just won't contain a graphical enviorment |
| 07:42.14 | rendar | somiaj: should i download a squeeze or wheezy netinstall cd? |
| 07:42.30 | somiaj | rendar: the rescue live cd is nice if you need lots of recovery tools. the standard is simple and small. But if all you need to do is chroot into your install and fix grub, you can use the netinstall to do that |
| 07:42.42 | rendar | btw: Not Found |
| 07:42.43 | rendar | The requested URL /cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server. |
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| 07:42.52 | somiaj | rendar: I would download wheezy. |
| 07:43.04 | somiaj | squeeze is no 6.0.8 |
| 07:43.07 | somiaj | no=now |
| 07:43.12 | rendar | ok |
| 07:43.32 | somiaj | rendar: note when you boot enter in your language, but do not contiue though the install (use expert or text mode) |
| 07:43.49 | somiaj | rendar: after you select the langauge hit alt-f2 and a new console will open up. You can then do some stuff from there |
| 07:44.16 | rendar | i see, but why there isn't just a debian live cd with grub-install? wuldn't that more immediate than this? |
| 07:44.19 | somiaj | rendar: the shell on the install cds is very limited, so you have very few tools. But you do have enough to mount your install at say /mnt, then chroot into it. Once you do that you should ahve all the tools inside your install |
| 07:44.28 | phy1729 | Konomi: iirc pubkey auth bypasses password and normal PAM auth. So I don't think you can, but ask the #openssh guys |
| 07:44.40 | somiaj | rendar: the standard or rescue images as I said are a bit more functional |
| 07:44.51 | Konomi | phy1729: thanks I thinjk I found some stuff to change that behaviour so I might be able to ahve both |
| 07:45.02 | Konomi | though I'm a little worried if it will be global or account like I want |
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| 07:45.51 | rendar | somiaj: i got only torrent links, and not a direct link, why? i don't have torrent |
| 07:46.37 | somiaj | rendar: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-amd64-rescue.iso |
| 07:46.43 | rendar | oh thanks |
| 07:46.59 | somiaj | rendar: 679 megs, so will fit on a cd and contain a full set of resuce tools |
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| 07:47.21 | somiaj | the standard image is 461 megs, a bit smaller but won't contain as many tools |
| 07:47.30 | rendar | somiaj: btw, i was thinking to this: if a live cd doesn't have grub-install, i shouold be able to instiall it thorugh apt-get install grub, right? |
| 07:48.12 | somiaj | rendar: provided you can get your network up, if you need non-free firmware you may have an issue |
| 07:48.43 | somiaj | seems the resuce non-free firmare is 719Meg image, I thikn that may still fit on a cd |
| 07:49.01 | rendar | btw serioulsy, this grub mismatch upgrading is very annoying, i have lost many hours to download (unuseful, until now) cd images, and did many tests..can't be signaled to the apt-get community all of this? |
| 07:49.59 | somiaj | rendar: again chrooting into the install and running grub-install from there is better than running it from the live image (because then /boot is easier to find) |
| 07:50.04 | rendar | i couldn't neither boot my system (linux or windows) because grub is not working properly, it can't load modules |
| 07:50.06 | somiaj | rendar: have you followed /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 07:50.27 | rendar | somiaj: i got that, i was saying that thisn mess should be avoided |
| 07:50.51 | somiaj | rendar: did you read the full upgrade guide before trying the upgrade? |
| 07:51.07 | rendar | somiaj: yes.. |
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| 07:51.51 | rendar | somiaj: and i still can't get how it could have upgraded grub modules but not grub itself, which now can't load properly modules (lacking of symbols names) and nothing boots:) |
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| 07:52.38 | somiaj | rendar: I don't know either. You didn't have any unoffical sources? Did you run many backports? |
| 07:53.01 | rendar | nothing of all, just did dist-upgrade |
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| 07:55.45 | somiaj | yea I haven't actually done the upgrade myself so I am unsure what issues I would have had |
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| 08:17.07 | no_gravity | Strange, on one of my servers, fail2ban did not log any bans/unbans for 2 days. After a restart of the machine, the log started filling again. Any ideas, what happened or how to find out what happened? |
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| 08:42.22 | hramrach | rendar: this issue with grub .. I had it a long time ago. there is a debconf option that tells dpkg to reinstall grub on package upgrade or not |
| 08:42.59 | hramrach | I can't really recommend a trouble-free bootloader |
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| 08:44.15 | hramrach | grub is too complex and falls apart too often as a result. lilo it too simplistic and falls apart too aften as a result of that. pxelinux is too new and experimental and falls apart too often as a result. You get teh pattern |
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| 08:45.20 | hramrach | also grub installtion can sometimes fail for some obscure reason |
| 08:45.50 | hramrach | and if you don't notice the error when the installation is really needed |
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| 08:45.56 | well_laid_path | I've never had an issue with grub |
| 08:46.24 | hramrach | yeah, I never had an issue with it either .. until it broke |
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| 08:51.55 | ph88 | how do i install node.js from here ? http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=nodejs |
| 08:52.25 | ph88 | can i use the package manager ? |
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| 08:54.59 | ph88 | what's the difference between wheezy-backports, jessie and sid ? |
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| 08:58.43 | hramrach | ph88: with wheezy-backports yyou are still running stable |
| 08:59.11 | ph88 | i tried apt-get update and then apt-cache search node ... but i dont see the package |
| 08:59.19 | hramrach | with packages from sid you aften need new libc or something and you get frankenstein of a debian |
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| 08:59.42 | hramrach | ph88: are you using the backports source? |
| 08:59.59 | ph88 | i don't think so ?? i never told anything specific about using backports source |
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| 09:02.44 | hramrach | !backports |
| 09:02.44 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:02.58 | themill | ph88: what arch do you have? (dpkg --print-architecture) |
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| 09:04.05 | ph88 | amd64 |
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| 09:04.53 | themill | ok |
| 09:05.06 | ph88 | i have debian 7 |
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| 09:42.33 | Nohus | Hello, I want to install a package from repos that has dependecy I have installed from sources (no apt-get), but I can't install it because the dependency "isn't installed", but it is, just not from repos. How could I solve such situation? |
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| 09:43.36 | mjt | Nohus: for dpkg/apt it doesn't matter how you installed stuff. |
| 09:43.48 | tremon | Nohus: use equivs. Next time, use checkinstall |
| 09:44.02 | mjt | oh |
| 09:44.08 | tremon | !tell Nohus about equivs |
| 09:44.23 | mjt | so you didn't install a .deb, but used sort of `make install' |
| 09:44.32 | Nohus | But apt-get wants to install the dependency, thus replace my own version of it. |
| 09:44.38 | Nohus | Yes. |
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| 09:45.08 | themill | You need to work with the package manager. If you decide to fight it, you won't be happy. |
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| 09:45.28 | mjt | well, using equivs will help here for sure, but this whole way is broken |
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| 09:45.43 | Nohus | So how should it be done "the right way"? |
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| 09:46.17 | Nohus | I can read about equivs but you are saying it's wrong. |
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| 09:46.33 | themill | equivs won't help you if there are versioned dependencies. |
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| 09:46.55 | mjt | and whole thing (package management) is here to track dependencies properly |
| 09:46.56 | themill | Nohus: perhaps you could describe what it is you've installed and why you wanted a source install rather than the debian package? |
| 09:47.46 | mjt | lots of upstreams recommend installing their software from source |
| 09:48.13 | Nohus | I want to install a gui for a console application, but the apt-get version of the console application has a flaw, so I had to apply a patch to it's sources and compile it myself. |
| 09:48.57 | themill | dpkg: tell Nohus about package recompile |
| 09:49.08 | themill | Nohus: it would be easier of you were specific btw |
| 09:49.28 | Nohus | gtk-recordmydesktop, recordmydesktop |
| 09:49.40 | Nohus | recordmydesktop installed from sources |
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| 09:51.13 | Nohus | But compiling it from apt-get sources won'y change anything, it won't have my patch, no? |
| 09:51.31 | abrotman | you could add it .. |
| 09:51.56 | mjt | that'd be the best way i think, -- adding a patch to debian sources |
| 09:52.22 | chalcedony | i need to set up an irc client remotely, on debian. ive been using xchat there, but i can't get there to restart them when they get disconnected |
| 09:52.26 | themill | I wonder what the bug is... I use that package regularl.y |
| 09:52.27 | mjt | (and don't forget to increase version number in debian/changelog, using a form of "current+somethin") |
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| 09:53.08 | Nohus | themill: It won't work with Jackd to record audio |
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| 09:53.54 | abrotman | chalcedony: screen+irssi? |
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| 09:54.15 | chalcedony | abrotman, maybe i'm all thumbs though |
| 09:54.28 | abrotman | okay |
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| 09:55.17 | Nohus | I also have a ready compiled patched .deb, but it has the same issue with apt-get not recogizing it's already installed and not allowing to install the gui. Maybe making apt-get know the deb is the dependency would be easier? |
| 09:55.19 | chalcedony | abrotman, would you be able to help? |
| 09:56.17 | freezeeedos | hey everyone. Trying to calibrate a touchscreen on debian 7 here. Do you know of a bug in the evdev driver ? |
| 09:57.29 | Nohus | Oh well, I'll just use equivs. |
| 09:57.34 | mjt | Nohus: install your .deb using dpkg |
| 09:57.39 | abrotman | chalcedony: lots of docs out there, should be easy to read and do. test irssi first, make sure it fits your needs |
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| 09:58.11 | mjt | chalcedony: another option is to use irc proxy/relay (what's the proper term?) |
| 09:58.32 | mjt | (i use irssi+screen for over 10 years) |
| 09:58.33 | abrotman | bnc? |
| 09:58.47 | abrotman | smuxi is another option |
| 09:59.03 | abrotman | might be better suited for a gui user |
| 09:59.11 | Nohus | mjt: I did, and it works, but apt-get still isn't seeing it as installed. |
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| 10:00.01 | mjt | if it were installed by dpkg, apt just can not "not see" it |
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| 10:00.19 | mjt | the two uses the same database of installed pkgs |
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| 10:01.18 | mjt | equivs not only wrong, it wont help here |
| 10:01.20 | Nohus | mjt: So how's that possible. |
| 10:01.42 | Nohus | It is installed, it runs when invoked. |
| 10:02.02 | mjt | possible what? |
| 10:02.06 | abrotman | pastebin the errors |
| 10:02.14 | Nohus | That apt-get claims it's not installed. |
| 10:02.23 | mjt | it can't |
| 10:02.25 | mjt | ;) |
| 10:02.29 | grimeton | it's a miracle |
| 10:02.35 | abrotman | if it's actually installed |
| 10:02.39 | tremon | Nohus: does the package you installed manually have the same package name as the dependency ("recordmydesktop"), and does it have version information? |
| 10:02.42 | mjt | there's no such claim in apt |
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| 10:03.12 | mjt | it can only ask to install it, but can't claim it isn't installed. Unless you try to remove it |
| 10:03.39 | Nohus | When I try to install gtk-recordmydesktop it wants to delete "recordmydesktop:i386" and install "recordmydesktop" |
| 10:03.44 | freezeeedos | does anyone have a tablet PC ? |
| 10:04.01 | abrotman | Nohus: paste it ... |
| 10:04.05 | grimeton | multiarch |
| 10:04.09 | grimeton | yeay |
| 10:04.10 | mjt | Nohus: this is quite different from "claiming it isn't installed" eh? |
| 10:04.11 | abrotman | freezeeedos: and if they did? |
| 10:04.29 | freezeeedos | abrotman: I'm having issues with xinput |
| 10:04.33 | mjt | lemme guess. the recompile uses the same version number... |
| 10:04.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell freezeeedos about ask |
| 10:05.00 | grimeton | Nohus: looks like a usual case of pebcak to me |
| 10:05.00 | tremon | Nohus: why did you install the 32-bit version? |
| 10:05.25 | mjt | so apt thinks the locally installed version is wrong, wants to remove it and install "proper" version from debian archive |
| 10:05.43 | Nohus | tremon: Because there was no 64-bit version, it's a .deb from the internet, no other one was there. |
| 10:05.59 | mjt | wow |
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| 10:06.13 | abrotman | Nohus: do you understand the architecture-based dependency? |
| 10:07.18 | Nohus | abrotman: Yes, but gtk-recordmydesktop is architecture independent, so it shouldn't need a specific architecture of recordmydesktop, right? |
| 10:07.40 | mjt | btw, gtk-recordmydesktop is arch:any (python), but recordmydesktop isn't multiarch-aware |
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| 10:07.54 | mjt | heh |
| 10:08.27 | abrotman | so ... |
| 10:08.31 | mjt | Nohus: in order for it to use a non-native dependency, that dependency should be marked as "can be used non-natively" |
| 10:08.53 | mjt | with proper headers (Multi-arch: foreign" in this case) |
| 10:09.18 | Nohus | I probably can't change them? |
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| 10:10.01 | mjt | you can. but now i'm completely confused - which source/files you got and from where... |
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| 10:10.43 | Nohus | I installed --> recordmydesktop_0.3.8.1-11_i386.deb |
| 10:10.55 | mjt | i thought you rebuilt a .deb locally, but now you said you grabbed it from internet and there was no 64bit version. This means it isn't from debian (it has 64bit version) and not locally built. |
| 10:13.11 | Nohus | I quite tried both, but I'd stick to the .deb |
| 10:14.15 | Nohus | Apt-get sees the .deb at least, but thinks it's wrong. http://paste.nohus.eu/?UwOHS |
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| 10:15.39 | tremon | Nohus: please use a pastebin that doesn't require javascript (e.g. paste.debian.net). Also, LANG=C goes a long way to making your output understandable for everyone non-polish (guess) |
| 10:15.59 | mjt | heh. i can't read anything in that paste |
| 10:16.06 | mjt | even after enabling javascript |
| 10:16.13 | Nohus | Oh I'd change the language if I knew how. |
| 10:16.21 | Nohus | LANG is a environmental variable? |
| 10:16.21 | mjt | ughm. tremon already mentioned that |
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| 10:16.37 | mjt | Nohus: add "LANG=C " in front of your command |
| 10:16.45 | abrotman | !localized errors |
| 10:16.45 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 10:16.52 | mjt | (without quotes but with a space) |
| 10:17.17 | mjt | it looks like the version number does not satisfy aptitude |
| 10:17.27 | Nohus | Now it's in English: http://paste.nohus.eu/?UZG8N |
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| 10:17.52 | tremon | is 1-11 newer or older than 1+3, in dpkg versioning? |
| 10:18.21 | mjt | 1+3 is more recent than 1 |
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| 10:18.33 | tremon | yes, but is 1+3 more recent than 1-11? |
| 10:18.46 | mjt | yes |
| 10:18.54 | mjt | 1+ > 1- |
| 10:19.29 | Nohus | I think it'll easier to just build the gui from sources instead of installing it from repos. |
| 10:19.31 | tremon | ok, then the installed version number is indeed too old. gtk-rec... depends on >= 0.3.8.1+svn602 |
| 10:20.00 | jelly-home | tremon: - is the delimiter for the package debian revision. 1-11 is version 1, debian revision 11; 1+3 on its own is version 1+3, no debian revision |
| 10:20.36 | freezeeedos | I'm using xinput calibrator to calibrate a touchscreen. I followed these instructions: http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-ubuntu-1204-touchscreen-calibration but the configuration is not applied when I reboot. I am using debian 7, but the xinput-calibrator package is from debian SID repos. it says here that evdev 2.7 has a bug |
| 10:20.37 | freezeeedos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/246564/xinput-set-prop-does-not-work-for-touchscreen . I built the 2.8 version from source, but the config still does not apply |
| 10:20.47 | jelly-home | you can test things with dpkg --compare-versions |
| 10:20.54 | tremon | Nohus: that might be easier, as long as building from sources does not mean "downloading a random deb from the 'net" |
| 10:21.01 | mjt | tremon: ..and dpkg compares upstream version number first, and only if it's the same, compares debian revision "suffix" |
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| 10:21.18 | tremon | jelly-home: thanks, was looking for that but couldn't find it easily |
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| 10:22.25 | Nohus | tremon: I prefer random debs than nothing. :| |
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| 10:23.09 | mjt | actually the "dirty" solution might be trivial. Install debian version of the package, rebuild the single binary, and replace it while the package is installed. |
| 10:23.36 | Nohus | mjt: I though about that but it seems very wrong. |
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| 10:23.39 | mjt | the packge will be upgrateable and upgrade will replace that binary back, but at least all the dependencies will be recorded properly |
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| 10:24.08 | mjt | that's dirty, but it's better when the package manager will not know about your files and will just break them |
| 10:24.17 | dawid | hello all. do anyone know a bit about libreoffice base query? |
| 10:24.21 | mjt | and please submit bugreport ;) |
| 10:24.37 | tremon | it certainly is the easy way out. As long as the fix is already upstream, the chances of an update breaking the package again is small |
| 10:25.10 | mjt | Nohus: fwiw, it will be exactly the same way on any other distribution, except of the package manager and procedure of building packages will be different. |
| 10:25.25 | mjt | Nohus: i mean, the same issues as you're facing |
| 10:26.13 | mjt | if it isn't upstream, again, submitting a bug should help |
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| 10:26.36 | Nohus | But the project is pretty much dead. |
| 10:27.16 | dawid | I have a problem with base query, but nobody has requested me on many websites and irc`s |
| 10:27.40 | ph88 | what's the difference between dpkg and apt ? |
| 10:28.06 | mjt | dpkg is a low-level tool called by apt |
| 10:28.07 | dpkg | mjt: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:28.09 | mjt | lol |
| 10:28.20 | mjt | and also dpkg is a bot ;) |
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| 10:28.30 | mjt | dpkg: bot? |
| 10:28.30 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:29.08 | Nohus | Are .deb's just .tar.gz? |
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| 10:29.27 | mjt | Nohus: similar to tar.gz, yes. they're ar files |
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| 10:30.04 | Nohus | mjt: If I extracted it and edited, how can I archive it back into a deb? |
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| 10:30.09 | dawid | omg please help me |
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| 10:30.33 | mjt | Nohus: don't do that ;) Just replace the single binary and be done with it ;) |
| 10:31.36 | mjt | the only difference with patching deb vs replacing a binary will be that you can install the same deb on another system |
| 10:31.47 | mjt | (or reinstall it) |
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| 10:32.20 | mjt | your only concern is to not break it again by future upgrades |
| 10:32.37 | Nohus | mjt: Replacing the binary worked, yay, it works. Thank you. :D |
| 10:33.00 | mjt | fwif, changes in binaries are not recorded/checked anywhere unless you installed special tools |
| 10:33.01 | Nik05 | Nohus: dpkg-deb |
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| 10:35.30 | ph88 | is it ok to make a package without documentation ? |
| 10:35.43 | mjt | okay in what context? |
| 10:36.16 | mjt | it definitely is not acceptable in official debian archive |
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| 10:36.54 | mjt | but dpkg/apt/whatever does not enforce presence of docs and doesn't refuse installation of doc-less packages |
| 10:37.52 | ph88 | i got this question when installing node.js from source The package documentation directory ./doc-pak does not exist. Should I create a default set of package docs? [y]: |
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| 10:38.06 | ph88 | so maybe i can answer no ? |
| 10:38.32 | mjt | no idea, i don't know what node.js is |
| 10:38.38 | ph88 | oh ok |
| 10:38.43 | ph88 | thx for help ! |
| 10:39.05 | Nohus | It's server-side JavaScript framework. |
| 10:39.13 | mjt | and this is definitely this particular software question -- what this doc means for node.js not for debian |
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| 10:41.25 | pommedvs | mjt, node.js related to jquery ?? maybe |
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| 10:43.22 | pommedvs | linux312, kalimera |
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| 11:00.29 | ph88 | i get this notice almost everytime i use commands, i can solve it or clear it in some way ?? http://0bin.net/paste/joCQmiuzlnm7X4f0#PvxkPyJuMmPMmRfSOLpf8nMkuLvCxN0Io6lha1EIRI0= |
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| 11:04.02 | firztspawn | ph88 a quick google suggests running the following: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 11:04.17 | ph88 | ok i'll try that right away |
| 11:04.31 | firztspawn | as root (or using sudo) |
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| 11:05.11 | ph88 | hmm some choice 1. Dialog 2. Readline 3. Gnome 4. Kde 5. Editor 6. Noninteractive |
| 11:05.26 | firztspawn | what desktop you use |
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| 11:05.52 | ph88 | none |
| 11:05.54 | ph88 | terminal |
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| 11:06.01 | firztspawn | choose 1 then |
| 11:06.01 | ph88 | maybe i should choose readline |
| 11:06.14 | ph88 | The dialog frontend is a full-screen, character based interface, while the readline frontend uses a more traditional plain text interface |
| 11:06.21 | firztspawn | yeah I guess.. I am not sure tbh |
| 11:06.27 | ph88 | ok thx firztspawn ! |
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| 11:07.48 | djjunde | ph88: debconf says you have no dialog installed? |
| 11:07.54 | ph88 | true |
| 11:07.58 | firztspawn | ph88 did it work? |
| 11:08.09 | ph88 | not sure which command i could use to check |
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| 11:09.03 | jokar | Hello Folks |
| 11:09.07 | jokar | How are you? |
| 11:09.26 | jokar | I want to remove Virtualbox but synaptic told me that gdm3 must be removed |
| 11:09.28 | ph88 | very good Thx ! |
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| 11:12.07 | grimeton | anybody can suggest an xmpp server software? |
| 11:13.39 | djjunde | grimeton: depends about use but i have used ejabberd and i have been very satisfied |
| 11:13.57 | djjunde | for personal use |
| 11:14.07 | grimeton | djjunde: hm, that's written in erlang right? |
| 11:14.22 | trurl | grimeton: openfire |
| 11:14.36 | djjunde | ye |
| 11:15.22 | grimeton | trurl: hm java ... |
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| 11:17.25 | trurl | grimeton: i have it running (local intranet) for 12 months, no issues. dunno about having it in the open world with thousands of users though... |
| 11:17.59 | grimeton | it's not about thousands of users, it's more about the bloat i get running a java app on top of the java vm inside a virtual machine .... |
| 11:18.13 | trurl | it's small and easy. ejabberd is something completely different... |
| 11:18.24 | nkuttler | is there a lightweight gtk3 web browser? |
| 11:18.41 | linux312 | yes epiphany |
| 11:18.54 | grimeton | recommends uzbl |
| 11:19.21 | nkuttler | nice, thanks |
| 11:19.40 | nkuttler | grimeton: that's gtk2 though |
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| 11:19.56 | linux312 | epiphany is gtk2? |
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| 11:20.04 | nkuttler | no, uzbl |
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| 11:21.46 | grimeton | yeah, it's more about the lightweight |
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| 11:22.33 | linux312 | nkuttler:not sure epiphanys version on wheeze is gtk3 though.Im using jessie |
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| 11:23.42 | nkuttler | linux312: it is. anyway, just need something i can rebuild against gtk3.1 from experimental.. |
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| 11:24.31 | wood_quinn_ | Has anyone here had experience running LXC, and using a bridge between a wireless interface and the containers? |
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| 11:38.54 | grammoboy | hm I connect my n900 to debian but can't see the usb connection |
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| 11:39.05 | grimeton | bridges and wifi is always tricky |
| 11:39.19 | grimeton | grammoboy: not in storage mode? |
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| 11:40.13 | grammoboy | grimeton, yes storage mode |
| 11:40.37 | grimeton | grammoboy: if absoloutly nothing is happening it's more a hardware thing |
| 11:40.51 | grammoboy | on my previous debian install it works like a sharm |
| 11:41.24 | grimeton | nice, how does that help you now? |
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| 11:42.25 | grammoboy | what do you think |
| 11:42.34 | grammoboy | it helps finding the cause |
| 11:42.47 | wood_quinn_ | Bridge didn't work, of course |
| 11:42.56 | grimeton | if there is nothing happening at all, it's a hardware issue |
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| 11:43.10 | tremon | wood_quinn_: not lxc, but qemu. it usually requires you to put the access point in wireless bridging mode too. read up on 4addr mode |
| 11:43.38 | wood_quinn_ | This was intended to be work spent implementing LXC to avoid messing up a stable system. |
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| 11:44.17 | wood_quinn_ | If I have to redo network configurations on every device in my home just to get it to work, I'll regularly back up configs and data on potentially volatile machines. |
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| 11:44.43 | grammoboy | I've two usb listed in thunar, but i've no usb connected |
| 11:45.14 | grammoboy | thats strange too\ |
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| 11:46.11 | grimeton | wood_quinn_: you either bring the wifi stuff into bridging mode or masquerade the mac addresses |
| 11:46.32 | grammoboy | /dev/sda1 on /media/usb0 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered,user=derick) |
| 11:46.59 | grammoboy | wtf |
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| 11:48.06 | djjunde | dmesg | grep usb |
| 11:48.20 | drhouse123 | grammoboy: show blkid output please, by pastebin.service, maybe you didn't used uuid |
| 11:49.14 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/49625/27881471/ |
| 11:49.16 | grammoboy | drhouse123, |
| 11:49.39 | grammoboy | bash: $'\302\240grep': command not found |
| 11:49.58 | djjunde | dmesg |grep usb |
| 11:50.11 | djjunde | space does that sometimes |
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| 11:51.29 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/49626/27882831/ |
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| 11:53.21 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/49628/82788395/ |
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| 11:53.43 | Crypticfortune | I'm having trouble with a split-routing config. Why can I get packets forwarded without passing through "iptables -t nat -L POSTROUTING"? I thought that shouldn't be possible...? |
| 11:53.46 | grammoboy | so it sees the n900 |
| 11:54.26 | txomon|home | hi, can someone help me on the best method to partition the HD? |
| 11:54.39 | txomon|home | I am trying to resize home to 60GB |
| 11:54.47 | txomon|home | s/home/root/ |
| 11:55.05 | djjunde | grammoboy: soooo, what was the problem? |
| 11:55.12 | djjunde | thunar sees 2 usb devices? |
| 11:55.17 | txomon|home | but I can't unmount it... and I would like not to use a ubuntu CD (as I suppose debian has a solution for this without depending in other distro) |
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| 11:56.05 | grammoboy | djjunde, thunar sees 2 usb drives, but none is mounted |
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| 11:56.16 | grammoboy | djjunde, I can find my n900 |
| 11:56.45 | grammoboy | djjunde, if I click on the usb device, I enter my file system |
| 11:57.18 | grammoboy | thats the problem |
| 11:57.20 | djjunde | wat |
| 11:57.31 | grammoboy | I cant enter my n900 device |
| 11:57.33 | djjunde | no the usb devices file system? |
| 11:57.42 | djjunde | not* |
| 11:57.50 | grammoboy | that looks very strange to me |
| 11:58.01 | grammoboy | i see that as a problem too |
| 11:58.37 | grammoboy | after I click on the usb device in thunar |
| 11:58.39 | grammoboy | /dev/sda1 on /media/usb0 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered,user=derick) |
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| 12:00.12 | grammoboy | fdisk -l doesnt list the n900 |
| 12:01.17 | grammoboy | weird |
| 12:01.45 | grammoboy | ctr-alt-delete |
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| 12:03.55 | Crypticfortune | ~~~~ |
| 12:03.55 | apt | ARGH!!! STOP IT crypticfortune!!! |
| 12:04.08 | Crypticfortune | ooops. thought i killed my connection ;) |
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| 12:04.53 | grammoboy | anyone an idea? |
| 12:05.21 | grammoboy | I should see my n900 |
| 12:05.30 | grammoboy | and those usb devices shouldn't be there in thunar |
| 12:05.50 | grammoboy | and my /dev/sda1 shouldn't be mounted on /media/usb0 too |
| 12:05.56 | crabman | Why is there only very old version of wine in debian repos even in sid and jessie? |
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| 12:09.52 | djjunde | grammoboy: fast googleing says "I don't know if this info will help you, but for me auto-mounting in xfce didn't work without CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL=y in the kernel config. It was a problem with consolekit/policykit." |
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| 12:11.08 | djjunde | always could help if you can get some error messages or logs from thunar, ex by starting thunar from console |
| 12:12.25 | Kuba | hey |
| 12:13.39 | Kuba | I have a problem with CPU freqency scaling; after a suspend I stuck at 800Mhz whereas max is 2.5GHz: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zwH7xFGd I can't seem to set the frequency manually... |
| 12:14.29 | Kuba | I'm on i5-2520M |
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| 12:15.11 | grammoboy | it looks nautilus gives the same problem |
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| 12:16.21 | grammoboy | thunar-volman: Unsupported USB device type. |
| 12:16.21 | grammoboy | thunar-volman: Unknown block device type. |
| 12:16.22 | Crypticfortune | I'm getting thoroughly confused by my routing config...How do I have 13k some filter.OUTPUT packets, but only about 700 nat.POSTROUTING packets? how are my packets sneaking past nat? =( |
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| 12:18.19 | Brigo | Crypticfortune: may be there are only 700 pakages that matchs nat.POSTROUTING rules |
| 12:18.44 | crabman | How do I fix E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 12:18.44 | crabman | in apt-get? |
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| 12:19.20 | Brigo | and nat.POSTROUTING filter.OUTPUT are for iptables, not routing table. |
| 12:19.24 | grammoboy | normal usb drive doesnt give problems |
| 12:19.38 | Brigo | crabman: please paste all the apt-get output. |
| 12:20.01 | Crypticfortune | Brigo: I don't think so. There's about 300 that match nat.POSTROUTING rules and 142 that hit "policy ACCEPT" (so about 442 total. I miscounted the 700 figure) |
| 12:20.20 | crabman | Brigo: http://pastebin.com/thcRvKw4 |
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| 12:23.03 | Brigo | crabman: why are you trying to intall ia32-libs? |
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| 12:23.12 | crabman | Brigo: to build wine |
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| 12:24.02 | Brigo | crabman: are you running stable? |
| 12:24.15 | crabman | Brigo: no, I am running Jessie (Testing) |
| 12:24.26 | Brigo | ok, and are you in amd64? |
| 12:24.33 | crabman | Brigo: yes |
| 12:24.34 | [jasper] | hej guys, anyone can help me with this dmesg: http://pastebin.com/LJ1jr4Wz |
| 12:24.41 | [jasper] | getting lots of errors |
| 12:24.41 | Brigo | do you know multiarch? |
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| 12:25.18 | Brigo | crabman: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 12:25.21 | crabman | Brigo: I did some dpkg i386 enable command previously |
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| 12:25.57 | Brigo | so you dont need ia32-libs in multiarch if you read its description you will see. |
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| 12:26.46 | crabman | Brigo: if I run configure in wine directory, it says Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. |
| 12:27.05 | crabman | Brigo: I googled it and someone said that I need to install those libraries |
| 12:27.51 | grammoboy | brings file to ubuntu to copy to n900 |
| 12:27.53 | grammoboy | sigh |
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| 12:28.38 | Brigo | crabman: old post, before multiarch, for sure. |
| 12:29.05 | crabman | Brigo: this wiki entry says I need it too. http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-19a01ad8edd4c4f3d8dd5a68596d585635997e13 |
| 12:29.05 | crabman | If not these libraries then what do I need? |
| 12:29.27 | FreezingCold | I tried dd'ing debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso onto a usb stick, but my desktop won't boot off it |
| 12:29.34 | FreezingCold | does it need to be a live image? |
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| 12:30.22 | themill | FreezingCold: exactly what command did you give? |
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| 12:30.47 | FreezingCold | themill: 8085 sudo dd bs=16M if=Downloads/debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 12:31.12 | FreezingCold | [20131026:083103~]$ sudo fdisk /dev/sdb -l | sprunge |
| 12:31.12 | FreezingCold | http://sprunge.us/BEBe |
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| 12:31.40 | themill | should work. Does you BIOS need a kick to get it to boot off the usb device? |
| 12:32.02 | Brigo | crabman: here you have a howto: http://verahill.blogspot.com.es/2012/12/building-wine-1519-on-debian.html |
| 12:32.04 | FreezingCold | themill: not sure, I can actually see the light go on and my system seems to be able to read it |
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| 12:33.13 | tremon | crabman: debian isn't yet ready for automatic cross-building, use apt-get -s build-dep wine to see the list of required packages, then install the :i386 version of each of them |
| 12:33.28 | Brigo | [jasper]: do you have any real problem or only the logs? |
| 12:33.34 | tremon | alternatively, build wine in a 32-bit chroot |
| 12:33.46 | crabman | tremon: I am trying to build the newest version of wine from git, not from repos. |
| 12:33.46 | [jasper] | Brigo, it appears my fans never spin down |
| 12:33.46 | FreezingCold | themill: gonna see if I can force grub to do my dirty work |
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| 12:34.01 | [jasper] | Brigo, since this is for a nas device...I consider this a problem :p |
| 12:34.18 | FreezingCold | themill: dang grub can't see the drive either |
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| 12:34.30 | Brigo | [jasper]: i was searching about you problmen, and talks about broken bios ... |
| 12:34.39 | tremon | crabman: you're going to install all wine dependencies from git? |
| 12:35.00 | crabman | tremon: ok probably not |
| 12:35.25 | FreezingCold | themill: I think I'll just give up and install debian using a ubuntu livedvd I already have :p |
| 12:35.56 | [jasper] | Brigo, this is a brand new asus board |
| 12:35.59 | [jasper] | relatively new model also |
| 12:36.02 | cretsiah | will i still need debian non-free to get multi-media codecs for watching dvd's flash etc? |
| 12:36.25 | Brigo | [jasper]: may be there are some bios update available ... |
| 12:36.39 | FreezingCold | the DVD drive is broken... |
| 12:36.40 | FreezingCold | just my luck |
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| 12:37.22 | FreezingCold | I'll see if Arch's USB works better |
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| 12:38.17 | FreezingCold | kinda tempted to just install arch now... :S |
| 12:38.54 | FreezingCold | never mind, it won't boot off this drive either |
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| 12:40.02 | tremon | cretsiah: dvd and flash, yes. Well, sort of. You can watch flash videos with mplayer and vlc, but there is no good browser plugin replacement |
| 12:40.30 | tremon | cretsiah: https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 12:41.48 | cretsiah | Ill have to add that t the sources list? ... im looking at using a debina live-cd for i386 cos i need to install via wifi |
| 12:41.52 | themill | FreezingCold: sounds more like a problem with the hardware than the installer |
| 12:41.56 | cretsiah | to* |
| 12:42.04 | FreezingCold | themill: yeah it is |
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| 12:44.41 | cretsiah | how heavy is the kde version of debian? |
| 12:44.48 | FreezingCold | cretsiah: compared to...? |
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| 12:46.00 | cretsiah | compared to gnome/ unity, I know awhile back ppl were saying that kde was heavy on the ram |
| 12:46.21 | FreezingCold | god damn it, I can't even boot off this different USB |
| 12:46.22 | FreezingCold | what the hell |
| 12:46.48 | FreezingCold | I'm kinda stuck, cause my dvd drive won't open either |
| 12:46.58 | cretsiah | ouch |
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| 12:48.26 | kakysha | hello everyone |
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| 12:48.40 | savask | Hello. After installing Debian to my laptop I started experiencing weird lags - sometimes when I start typing, the whole thing freezes for a second. I'm afraid it's a kind of HDD power-saving optimizations or something like that. Does anyone know what is that? If yes, how can I get rid of this thing, charge saving isn't that important to me. |
| 12:49.01 | kakysha | I encountered error while trying to installing php5-fpm on squeeze: |
| 12:49.02 | kakysha | php5-fpm : Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.27-1~dotdeb.0) but 5.4.20-1~dotdeb.0 is to be installed |
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| 12:49.31 | Brigo | savask: can you paste some logs? |
| 12:49.34 | tremon | !dotdeb |
| 12:49.34 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 12:49.41 | FreezingCold | Brigo: sprunge :D |
| 12:49.45 | savask | Brigo: Of what? |
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| 12:51.04 | Kuba | anyone could help me with my cpu freq related problem? |
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| 12:51.29 | kakysha | tremon: there are no php-fpm |
| 12:52.46 | savask | Brigo: For example dmesg doesn't say anything interesting. |
| 12:53.12 | tremon | ,v php5-fpm |
| 12:53.13 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; jessie: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.5+dfsg-1 |
| 12:53.16 | FreezingCold | hmmm... |
| 12:53.19 | FreezingCold | what should I do here... |
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| 12:53.59 | FreezingCold | Can I force Ubuntu to load everything in the RAM? |
| 12:54.01 | kakysha | tremon: wheezy 5.4.4, on squeeze even less |
| 12:54.21 | kakysha | but i have php 5.4.20 on squeeze |
| 12:54.30 | Brigo | savask: and syslog? |
| 12:54.31 | kakysha | and cant find repo with appropriate php5-fpm |
| 12:54.32 | tremon | kakysha: there is, though if I recall correctly it used to be missing a compile flag for pthreads support. But even if it weren't, we can't support dotdeb in here |
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| 12:56.27 | savask | Brigo: Nothing new, last message was half an hour ago. |
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| 12:56.29 | tremon | kakysha: according to what you just pasted, you're trying to install php5-fpm 5.3.27. That's way older than even oldstable |
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| 12:57.00 | kakysha | tremon: yeah! And I dont know where to find 5.4.20 fpm |
| 12:57.13 | kakysha | There are no such package on dotdeb |
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| 12:57.33 | kakysha | I dont want to cimpile it, because my webserver is too weak |
| 12:57.33 | Brigo | savask: is not easy to konw what is happening in you system with so few information ... |
| 12:57.43 | tremon | kakysha: still, you'd have to ask the people behind dotdeb |
| 12:57.53 | kakysha | tremon: ok |
| 12:58.10 | savask | Brigo: Well, unfortunately I don't know what to tell you :C Ask me anything you want, and I will try to get that for you. |
| 12:58.13 | Brigo | savask: If you think the problem may be the disk try to use hdparm to read and set the disk parameters. |
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| 13:00.39 | savask | Brigo: Okay. Just I thought that it's a kind of HDD spinning optimization which is enabled by default. |
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| 13:02.35 | Brigo | savask: for example, sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda give you some information. |
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| 13:03.21 | Brigo | savask: and sudo hdparm -B /dev/sda changes the power management. http://blog.krnjevic.com/?p=148 for more |
| 13:03.47 | RickyB98 | hello :) i'm downloading debian through bittorrent. should i download all the cds or is js cd1 enough? |
| 13:03.56 | dvs | cd1 is enough |
| 13:04.13 | dvs | netinstall is even better |
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| 13:04.42 | savask | Brigo: Thanks :-) Let's see if it will work now. |
| 13:04.51 | RickyB98 | thanks dvs :) |
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| 13:07.03 | aib | hello, I'm having dpkg troubles purging a package in Ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/RWwgPtxz -- the postrm seems simple enough, can anyone tell me why it's failing? |
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| 13:11.21 | tanr0 | im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error" any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 13:11.40 | tanr0 | ifconfig i mean |
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| 13:11.50 | dvs | tanr0: Guessing it's lack of firmware. |
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| 13:13.15 | themill | aib: I think you wanted #ubuntu |
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| 13:14.06 | icesword | themill how can i login as root user |
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| 13:14.46 | themill | icesword: why are you asking me? |
| 13:15.45 | icesword | you seem to know |
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| 13:17.43 | tanr0 | can i get support for kali linux here? |
| 13:18.06 | icesword | kali? |
| 13:18.12 | aib | ahh nvm it's /usr/share/debconf/confmodule giving the error |
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| 13:18.59 | dvs | dpkg: tell tanr0 about based on debian |
| 13:18.59 | themill | tanr0: no, in #kali-linux |
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| 13:21.06 | icesword | how do i login as root |
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| 13:21.39 | husna_ | use "su" command |
| 13:22.05 | boudiccas | whats the command for the factoid to see how easy it is to backport calibre from jessie to wheezy please? |
| 13:22.07 | husna_ | or "sudo su" |
| 13:22.30 | icesword | yeah su will get me to set passwd |
| 13:22.54 | [jasper] | Brigo, bios update didn't fix it |
| 13:23.13 | icesword | but when i try to login root it gives me an error |
| 13:23.42 | themill | boudiccas: /msg judd help checkbackport |
| 13:24.03 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
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| 13:30.30 | boudiccas | how do i get judd to tell me how to backport please? it doesn't recognise backport or backporting |
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| 13:30.50 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about ssb |
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| 13:31.27 | boudiccas | thanks themill |
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| 13:47.05 | chrisirc | A program doesn't compile with "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory" |
| 13:47.25 | abrotman | and does it exist? |
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| 13:47.53 | chrisirc | On an older version of Debian 7 (before it became stable), there is a file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crt1.o |
| 13:48.04 | chrisirc | but on this current stable system, there isn't; |
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| 13:48.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell chrisirc about apt-file |
| 13:48.26 | chrisirc | the above file is from libc6-dev which is installed on both systems. |
| 13:49.09 | chrisirc | On the current system, the file is at ... oh hu, that system is 32 bit. |
| 13:49.13 | abrotman | chrisirc: a program doesn't compile, or doesn't run? perhaps you should pastebin the full output ? |
| 13:49.34 | chrisirc | Problem solved, the program assumes 64 bit, but this system is 32 bit. Sorry for the noise. |
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| 14:10.38 | eugenmayer | Hello, iam trying to leverage the stack limit (ulimit -s) and using http://pastie.org/8432478 the normal approach in /etc/security/limits.d/ .. but after a reboot, still every user has a limit of 8129 - any ideas? pam.d login and so forth include pam_limits… System is a normal debian squeeze |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | eugenmayer: just an FYI, squeeze only has support for roughly another six months |
| 14:11.34 | eugenmayer | abrotman: i know :) |
| 14:12.09 | abrotman | eugenmayer: if you login normally, limits still not correct? |
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| 14:16.04 | bezoka | [ 2218.529149] [ERROR]You've no permission to communicate with the Bumblebee daemon. Try adding yourself to the 'bumblebee' group |
| 14:16.06 | bezoka | [ 2218.529243] [ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee daemon - is it running? |
| 14:16.08 | bezoka | how can I do it? |
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| 14:17.17 | Kuba | it seems that I cannot set CPU frequency? could anyone help me please? |
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| 14:17.38 | j7j3 | 'sudo usermod -a -G group user' i think |
| 14:18.15 | bezoka | so "sudo usermod -a -G bumblebee michal"?:D |
| 14:18.23 | j7j3 | aye |
| 14:19.00 | bezoka | dont work again ;P |
| 14:19.36 | j7j3 | logout login |
| 14:19.36 | eugenmayer | abrotman: i log in using sshd, but also sudo /su are not working |
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| 14:21.44 | linux-fox | please man usermod |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | eugenmayer: something broke? |
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| 14:23.12 | eugenmayer | abrotman: you mean, why am i working on the limits? |
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| 14:26.49 | eugenmayer | abrotman: iamfinding more and more evidence that the wildcard option does not working under debian |
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| 14:27.50 | eugenmayer | i have found, that the wildcard does not work for root ( but for every other user ) but still, also other users do have the "not updated" limit |
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| 14:29.39 | eugenmayer | also setting it explicitly for root http://pastie.org/8432498 does not change anything. still, pam.d does include the limits : http://pastie.org/8432499 |
| 14:29.43 | RickyB98 | okay, installed debian, now.. how do i install tcl and dev toold for it? |
| 14:29.47 | eugenmayer | (the includ i mean) |
| 14:29.55 | RickyB98 | tools |
| 14:29.56 | RickyB98 | * |
| 14:30.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell RickyB98 about search |
| 14:30.48 | eugenmayer | RickyB98: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tcl+debian .. first hit. |
| 14:31.13 | RickyB98 | like i didn't do that.. |
| 14:31.19 | RickyB98 | the problem is that eggdrop didn't recognize it |
| 14:31.42 | RickyB98 | i mean.. when i ask for something on a channel, it means i have searched for it before.. |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | RickyB98: apt-cache -- search tcl -dev |
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| 14:32.46 | eugenmayer | Rickt |
| 14:32.54 | RickyB98 | okay, installing dev package |
| 14:32.56 | RickyB98 | thanks :) |
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| 14:33.41 | RickyB98 | yayyyyy |
| 14:33.43 | RickyB98 | worked! |
| 14:33.44 | RickyB98 | :P |
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| 14:36.13 | eugenmayer | no suggestiions? |
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| 14:36.44 | daveeejr | i just changed my sources.list to testing. and did an apt-get update and upgrade. some packages are being held back? should i do an apt-get dist-upgrade? or should i leave the packages held back? |
| 14:36.57 | daveeejr | to clarify, i was using stable, but moved to testing |
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| 14:37.10 | petern_ | upi# |
| 14:37.13 | petern_ | eer |
| 14:37.20 | abrotman | daveeejr: sure |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | you should probably have known this before attempting such a thing .. |
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| 14:37.58 | daveeejr | abrotman: it was not a yes or no question.. |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | daveeejr: it was |
| 14:39.01 | abrotman | there was just more than one :) |
| 14:39.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell daveeejr about full-upgrade |
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| 14:40.23 | daveeejr | abrotman: and i should not know such a thing, having only recently started using linux and trying to learn how it works. i could always go back to mac, just thought joining the support team for oss would be better |
| 14:40.45 | abrotman | daveeejr: why are you going to jessie, instead of staying with wheezy? |
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| 14:41.05 | daveeejr | and thanks for the dpkg msg abrotman |
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| 14:41.42 | daveeejr | abrotman: wheezy is a little too far behind for some of the applications and libraries i am trying to use. i work with 3d printing and rendering software a bit |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | daveeejr: do you understand the implications of using jessie (btw, point your sources at jessie, not testing) |
| 14:42.22 | daveeejr | abrotman: and most versions of the software keep getting updated and have tons of added functionality which isnt supported on wheezy. it was fine for a while, but then the arduino IDE stopped working and could not be fixed |
| 14:42.40 | daveeejr | abrotman: yup. the stability issues. and thanks, will do |
| 14:42.49 | txomon|home | so, can anyone give me a tip on extending rootfs on hot, with space after it? |
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| 14:44.52 | daveeejr | abrotman: are there any other dangers besides stability issues? if it is too buggy i will try a different distro, because stable is just too far behind and can be a time sink compiling everything i need. |
| 14:45.12 | daveeejr | abrotman: but i like debian a lot and hesitate to leave, so i figure i will experiment with jessie for a while |
| 14:45.15 | abrotman | daveeejr: stability and security are the big ones |
| 14:45.29 | daveeejr | abrotman: what kind of security issues? |
| 14:45.40 | daveeejr | abrotman: any specific ones, or just that there arent really updates? |
| 14:45.57 | abrotman | daveeejr: there is no true security support, security support happens as packages flow from unstable to testing under normal circumstances |
| 14:46.33 | daveeejr | abrotman: what could that make me susceptible to? |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | such as, your libfoo1++ might be vulnerable to X, and it will be that way until either the DD uploads a fixed version, or the package is patched closer to release time |
| 14:46.49 | abrotman | daveeejr: that depends on the vuln, just like any other piece of software, right ? |
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| 14:47.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell daveeejr about tracker of doom |
| 14:47.40 | daveeejr | abrotman: yea, i just mean, is it a vulnerability that someone may hack my pc, or that the program will move beyond its space in the ram and crash everything |
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| 14:48.10 | daveeejr | abrotman: got it. very ominous |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | just like all others, depends on the issue |
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| 14:48.45 | abrotman | daveeejr: many advanced users run 'testing' on their desktops, being aware of the lack of security support |
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| 14:49.01 | abrotman | myself included (normally, not currently) |
| 14:49.59 | petern_ | I run stable with a testing or sid install under kvm if I need something not in stable. |
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| 14:50.48 | daveeejr | abrotman: it's hard for me to decide which to choose because, some distros like semplice run on unstable? or maybe just testing, to have rolling releases. that seems crazy, but stable would freeze up often enough that testing actually seems pretty flawless so far, assuming i don't have a security issue |
| 14:51.39 | abrotman | daveeejr: in most cases, testing is stable "enough", but sometimes when it breaks, it breaks badly |
| 14:52.09 | abrotman | daveeejr: such as there are transitions going on from time to time |
| 14:52.30 | daveeejr | abrotman: damn. well if there is any skill i have at this point. it is reinstalling the OS about 50 times in a row. |
| 14:52.39 | abrotman | daveeejr: http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 14:52.51 | abrotman | daveeejr: such as see the ongoing transitions, like gnome |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | (not sure why that says 100% though) |
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| 14:55.32 | daveeejr | got it. thanks for the help abrotman |
| 14:56.11 | hesco | Since upgrading to wheezy (which apparently no longer provides cdrecord), I have been unable to burn a disk. I've always used cli scripts for this, based on cdrecord. So far my latest lib/sh/burn_cd/debian_7.2.0_amd64_netinst.sh has tried to do this with growisofs, wodim and cdrskin, all to no avail. Can anyone please point me at a recipe for getting this to work? The blank media I'm working with at the moment is labeled as DVD-R. C |
| 14:56.13 | hesco | an't seem to find any blank cd's at the moment. |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | daveeejr: as jessie gets closer to release, package flows slow, things get more stable |
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| 14:56.47 | abrotman | hesco: no thumbdrives handy? |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | hesco: it sohuld work with wodim if you really want an optical disc |
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| 14:58.07 | hesco | abrotman: thanks, perhaps that is how I ought to handle this. I'd been stuck on burning optical, lets see if I can dig up one of my 2gb usb drives. |
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| 14:59.02 | hesco | This is the wodim incantation I've been using: WODIM="wodim -v -dao speed=4 dev=2,0 "; then CMD="$WODIM $ISO"; and then: `$CMD` |
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| 14:59.48 | hesco | I also tried: dev=/dev/sr0 |
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| 15:00.25 | nongeek | hello all |
| 15:00.39 | abrotman | hesco: uh .. "wodim foo.iso" |
| 15:00.40 | nongeek | How can I upgrade my squeez to wheezy? |
| 15:00.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nongeek about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 15:01.31 | hesco | abrotman: really? that simple? ok, trying that |
| 15:01.39 | nongeek | Thank you |
| 15:01.44 | abrotman | hesco: it's really easier with a thumbdrive if you have one |
| 15:02.04 | hesco | been looking, checking another bag now. |
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| 15:02.54 | nongeek | what is mean? "(noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). " |
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| 15:05.23 | zykotick9 | nongeek: backports has been moved to the main servers which wheezy |
| 15:05.33 | zykotick9 | s/which/with/ |
| 15:05.40 | nongeek | Thank you |
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| 15:16.29 | BuFF | hello |
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| 15:17.36 | BuFF | anyone who uses screen maybe knows how to enable window splitting inside putty? |
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| 15:18.11 | BuFF | e.g. crtl+a+S isn't working inside putty |
| 15:18.36 | BuFF | google tells to enable xterm r6 on putty, but not helping |
| 15:18.54 | BuFF | any ideas? |
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| 15:21.22 | hesco | thanks abrotman: the wodim $ISO seems to have worked. |
| 15:21.33 | hesco | My next challenge here is to mount the damed thing. |
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| 15:22.43 | hesco | composing a paste to show what I've tried. |
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| 15:23.26 | RTEric | Hello everyone. I just installed debian Wheezy, I use the non-free nvidia drivers. My problem is simple: gnome-shell doesn't seems to start. After loging in, I just get the debian wallpaper and nothing happen. Any idea of what's happening ? Which logs files should I check please ? My system is up to date. |
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| 15:24.04 | the__Dreamer | did you install nvidia-xconfig? |
| 15:24.14 | the__Dreamer | and nvidia-settings |
| 15:24.37 | the__Dreamer | run nvidia-xconfig and then reboot |
| 15:25.31 | RTEric | I'm installing nvidia-xconfig, nvidia-settings already installed. Thank you. |
| 15:25.53 | ghost75 | anyone has problems with libspandsp under wheezy? |
| 15:26.12 | ghost75 | i got segfaults when asterisk is using it |
| 15:26.17 | abrotman | ghost75: so check the BTS |
| 15:26.38 | ghost75 | bts ? |
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| 15:27.58 | abrotman | !tell ghost75 about bts |
| 15:28.27 | hiyo | Hello, I wanted to know if I could run Steam on Debian |
| 15:28.42 | abrotman | you can |
| 15:29.00 | hesco | issues mounting dvd described here: https://gist.github.com/hesco/189f706b6bea573b9a9f |
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| 15:29.24 | hiyo | abrotman: will I have any driver issues? I have high end hardware which only works with proprietary drivers |
| 15:29.41 | hesco | !tell hesco about bts |
| 15:30.05 | txomon|home | then you will have issues, hiyo |
| 15:30.21 | abrotman | hiyo: probably .. try ##steamlug |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | or #steamlug .. whichever it is |
| 15:30.29 | hiyo | okay |
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| 15:32.05 | ghost75 | apt-get -t=squeeze install libspansp2 <- is this not correct? |
| 15:33.33 | djjunde | ghost75: package is libspandsp2 |
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| 15:34.00 | ghost75 | only typo in chat |
| 15:34.07 | djjunde | i use it with wheezy and freeswitch and it works fine |
| 15:34.13 | djjunde | for me |
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| 15:34.22 | ghost75 | apt tells me its already "newest version" but i want squeeze, not wheezy |
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| 15:34.52 | groundnuty_m | hey, I've made some changes using iw dev wlan0 set how do I make them applay after reboot? |
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| 15:35.14 | RTEric | Hello everyone. I just installed debian Wheezy, I use the non-free nvidia drivers. My problem is simple: gnome-shell doesn't seems to start. I installed nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig, ran nvidia-xconfig and restarted, but still getting the same problem. |
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| 15:36.22 | magnetophon | RTEric: i'd be surprised if nvidia has anything to do with it. |
| 15:36.36 | magnetophon | RTEric: do other programs start normally? |
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| 15:37.14 | ghost75 | apt-get install libspandsp2/squeeze seems to work |
| 15:37.25 | pommedvs | groundnuty_m, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:37.52 | pommedvs | groundnuty_m, or in /etc/rc.local |
| 15:37.54 | RTEric | When I try to open a session, I just get the debian wallpaper. Nothing happen. |
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| 15:39.11 | magnetophon | RTEric: ah, i thought you meant terminal didn't open. |
| 15:39.31 | groundnuty_m | pommedvs: rc.local will get run before all wpa ifplug etc? |
| 15:39.57 | magnetophon | RTEric: and it worked before you installed nvidia? |
| 15:40.31 | pommedvs | groundnuty_m, last rc.d executed, as far as i can remember |
| 15:40.47 | pommedvs | groundnuty_m, hence after everything been run |
| 15:41.12 | groundnuty_m | pommedvs: so thats bad, I need to adjust txpower and that's better to be made when interface is stilldown |
| 15:41.28 | groundnuty_m | before all tools will get to it |
| 15:41.34 | RTEric | magnetophon: When I first installed Debian, I had a lot of issues (window started to respond). I switched to the non-free driver, now it's worst... I have a lot of errors relatives to my RAT 9 mouse. I'll try to unplug it and restart, looks strange but there if a few similar issues on the web about this mouse. |
| 15:41.52 | pommedvs | groundnuty_m, you'd have to set it up on /etc/network/interface then |
| 15:42.59 | magnetophon | RTEric: can you uninstall nvidia and go from there? |
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| 15:43.52 | pommedvs | groundnuty_m, post-up pre-up on "man interfaces", afair you run anything you want in there /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:44.01 | armin | hi, anyone here using an ipod nano with a debian system? i'm having a hard time understanding what's needed to get this to work. |
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| 15:47.23 | groundnuty_m | pommedvs: ok, got all thx :) |
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| 15:48.18 | magnetophon | armin: i'm not using one, but i know there are a few programs that can get music on and of there. |
| 15:48.42 | magnetophon | armin: i'm not using one, but i know there are a few programs that can get music on and of there. |
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| 15:49.55 | djjunde | Rhythmbox can manage ipods |
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| 15:50.46 | djjunde | dunno anything about them these days, got one ipod few years back and i gave it to some hipster |
| 15:51.01 | armin | i already tried rhythmbox and banshee, tried to install libimobiledevice etc, but to no avail. |
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| 15:51.19 | armin | i'm also member of the fuse group, got hfsprogs and hfsutils installed, can access hfs filesystems, etc. |
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| 15:53.23 | Kuba | `# cpufreq-set -g performance --min 1000 --max 2000MHz ; cpufreq-info | grep policy` gives me: current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 800 MHz. |
| 15:53.26 | Kuba | why? :( |
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| 15:54.56 | ArtyG | Kuba, you have the right cpufreq driver selected? |
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| 15:56.10 | Kuba | ArtyG: I'm on it-2520M with acpi-cpufreq |
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| 15:56.21 | Kuba | ArtyG: i5 * |
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| 15:56.46 | Kuba | ArtyG: I believe this happens after resume after suspend |
| 15:57.00 | ArtyG | Oh. Resume after suspend, all bets are off. |
| 15:57.01 | RTEric | magnetophon: I removed all nvidia packages except nvidia-common, I think I shouldn't... How can I reinstall the free driver please ? :p |
| 15:57.02 | V-Vega | Does anyone know how i can disable this volume lowering behavior found in WHeezy ? |
| 15:57.07 | boudiccas_ | themill; calibre built and backportedbut requires 2 files from sid to install. is it worth putting it up foradoption for wheezy-backports? |
| 15:57.11 | Kuba | ArtyG: ? |
| 15:57.13 | V-Vega | app1 lowers volume when app2 has output |
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| 15:57.20 | V-Vega | *audio output |
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| 15:57.54 | ArtyG | Kuba, hardware behavior. I've never had any luck suspending something running a linux distro. |
| 15:58.21 | Kuba | ArtyG: It worked fine with ubuntu 13.04 i think |
| 15:58.33 | Kuba | hmm |
| 15:58.42 | j7j3 | kuba: intel pstate driver doesn't work on my i5: editing /etc/default/grub and appending - GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="intel_pstate=disable" fixed it for me |
| 15:58.58 | Kuba | j7j3: did you have a same problem? |
| 15:59.09 | j7j3 | yes |
| 15:59.19 | j7j3 | gave the wrong cpu frequency too |
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| 15:59.49 | Kuba | j7j3: what is pstate for? |
| 16:00.01 | j7j3 | it's the new default driver for i5's |
| 16:02.11 | Kuba | j7j3: okay, will try that |
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| 16:08.40 | sochaczew | Hi, i heve installed fresh debian on my pc, but i propably screw somethig, beause now I cant bot systen in cause of error: init not found. I've moved bin, sbin and other binary directories to ssd drive and i think it is source of my problem. |
| 16:09.26 | RTEric | I still have my problem with my fresh install of debian. After loging in, I just got the wallpaper and nothing happen, it's like gnome-shell isn't starting. I have the last non-free nvidia driver, already ran nvidia-xconfig. Do anyone here have an idea of what's happening, or which log file I should check ? |
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| 16:11.02 | boudiccas_ | sochaczew; you've screwed it all up! its looking inthe old place for all its executables, which isnt there! you'd be better off re-installing and not shift essential files about in future! |
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| 16:11.11 | RTEric | Strange fact: if I press the "Operating System" (usually windows logo) key on my keyboard, the screen brightness turn dark... Like my graphic interface is partially launched, but I just miss the windows, bars and icons. |
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| 16:11.49 | mtn | RTEric: you can rename your xorg.conf to xorg.conf-backup for instance and reboot. you should be using default drivers after that. |
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| 16:11.58 | boudiccas_ | sochaczew; you could try putting themback in their proper place and rebooting and see if it works |
| 16:12.19 | sochaczew | boudiccas_: sheit... |
| 16:12.44 | sochaczew | can i just move init there? |
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| 16:14.04 | sochaczew | ot it is posibility to move it into initrd? |
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| 16:14.57 | RTEric | mtn: Thank you, I'll do that, but when I used the default driver, the desktop launched but I had a lot of freeze, window stopped responding, etc... I just can find what is the problem on this computer :/ Do you know which log file could help me ? |
| 16:15.36 | mtn | RTEric: the xorg logs, I would imagine. they are in /var/log |
| 16:15.57 | mtn | RTEric: when you installed the nvidia drivers, where did you install them from? |
| 16:16.57 | RTEric | mtn: from the repo deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 16:17.35 | mtn | RTEric: good, I hear that using the debian drivers is best, but I don't use nvidia so don't know for sure. |
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| 16:18.45 | jhutchins | remx: Which version did you install? |
| 16:18.52 | jhutchins | RTEric: Which release? |
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| 16:19.34 | mtn | RTEric: just to make sure, you have seen this, right? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 16:19.43 | HamsterLV | Hi! |
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| 16:20.31 | HamsterLV | could anyone help me please? |
| 16:20.33 | RTEric | mtn, jhutchins : I followed the tuto you just linked, section 304.88 |
| 16:21.09 | RTEric | mtn, jhutchins : yep, confirmed, I have the 304.88 driver. |
| 16:21.14 | HamsterLV | every time i try installing apache i get error = Errors were encountered while processing: initramfs-tools |
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| 16:21.46 | jhutchins | RTEric: I was asking which release of debian you have. |
| 16:22.22 | jhutchins | HamsterLV: try aptitude -f |
| 16:22.23 | mtn | RTEric: did you blacklist the nouveau driver? better unblacklist it before rebooting without an xorg.conf |
| 16:22.29 | jhutchins | HamsterLV: try aptitude -f install - sorry. |
| 16:22.51 | jhutchins | mtn: If he's getting wallpaper it's not a video driver issue. |
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| 16:23.02 | RTEric | jhutchins: oh sorry, Wheezy: Linux Fixe-Debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:23.08 | RTEric | jhutchins: it's a fresh install |
| 16:23.27 | sochaczew | boudiccas_: it is possibe lto pot this files into initramfs? |
| 16:24.17 | jhutchins | RTEric: That's unusual then. |
| 16:24.26 | jhutchins | RTEric: aptitude -f install? |
| 16:24.35 | mtn | jhutchins: ok, but he said it worked before the nvidia driver install |
| 16:24.44 | jhutchins | RTEric: It's your desktop, not your video. |
| 16:25.03 | jhutchins | RTEric: Do you get the login manager? |
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| 16:26.39 | RTEric | jhutchins: Yes, the login manager is working. My system just went to sleep, now I just have a beautiful blue screen. :) |
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| 16:29.02 | jhutchins | RTEric: Try creating a new user and logging into that. |
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| 16:30.52 | linuxearth | hello all |
| 16:31.09 | linuxearth | i just want to know what's the difference between a deb and a rpm? |
| 16:31.34 | mtn | linuxearth: format |
| 16:31.42 | linuxearth | format? |
| 16:31.47 | linuxearth | oh |
| 16:32.02 | mtn | linuxearth: they do similar jobs, but in differnet format. |
| 16:32.07 | linuxearth | i know this is debian but really debian is better than that? |
| 16:32.17 | mtn | heh |
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| 16:32.23 | linuxearth | can i pm you? |
| 16:32.39 | mtn | linuxearth: maybe you need to ask the question you really want to ask? |
| 16:32.40 | Kuba | j7j3: did it work before suspend? |
| 16:32.53 | linuxearth | because i don't want to create a controversy here |
| 16:33.25 | ghost75 | "reportbug" will send out via mail how it works? |
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| 16:33.39 | RTEric | jhutchins: created a new user, got "Could not update ICEauthority feil /home/toto.ICEauthority" |
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| 16:36.10 | jhutchins | RTEric: Interesting - other than that does the system work normally for the new user? |
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| 16:36.27 | RTEric | jhutchins: ok solved that, just needed to create the homedir and set my new user as owner. Same problem with this new user, after logging in, just the wallpaper. |
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| 16:39.51 | RTEric | jhutchins: excepted the gnome-shell problem, I can normally use my system whith this user with a terminal. |
| 16:40.56 | FreezingCold | How should I partition my system with Debian? |
| 16:41.11 | FreezingCold | 128MB /boot followed by /? |
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| 16:41.58 | dvs | FreezingCold: That's one way. |
| 16:42.08 | FreezingCold | dvs: sounds sane right? |
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| 16:42.14 | hiyo | FreezingCold: I hear 100MB is plenty for boot |
| 16:42.20 | dvs | FreezingCold: I usually make /home its own partition |
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| 16:42.31 | FreezingCold | hiyo: I like powers of two :) |
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| 16:42.38 | hiyo | FreezingCold: yeah I would do that, then you don't need to backup incase you ever need to reinstall |
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| 16:42.57 | FreezingCold | hiyo: personally I like having as few partitions as possible |
| 16:43.50 | hiyo | FreezingCold: Me too, but I feel that I've usually done the throw everything in one partition kind of way, but a separate home partition for me seems like a plus in the long run |
| 16:44.03 | FreezingCold | hiyo: how do I set the /boot flag in fdisk? |
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| 16:44.19 | FreezingCold | or is that unneeded? |
| 16:44.44 | hiyo | FreezingCold: I haven't used fdisk, I've used cfdisk for partitioning |
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| 16:46.27 | djjunde | FreezingCold: in fdisk set boot flag with 'a' and then it askes partition number |
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| 16:47.52 | djjunde | RTEric: can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to some pastebin? |
| 16:47.52 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: The boot flag doesn't matter to Linux. |
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| 16:48.04 | jhutchins | FreezingCold: Why do you think you need a seperate boot partition? |
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| 16:48.43 | RTEric | Hi Everyone, after logging in on Debian 7 (fresh install), I just get the wallpaper... The windows manager seems to not start properly. Does anyone have an idea to solve this problem? (system up to date, nvidia driver OK) |
| 16:49.18 | jhutchins | RTEric: We know it has nothing to do with the video drier or you wouldn't get the login manager or the wallpaper. |
| 16:49.18 | FreezingCold | jhutchins: / is crypt |
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| 16:49.47 | level7 | hi all |
| 16:49.51 | jhutchins | RTEric: You're not getting the desktop for some reason, and since it's probably gnome and I don't know anything about gnome I don't know what to suggest. |
| 16:49.53 | boudiccas_ | RTEric; have you tried installing another DE? like fluxbox/lxde/xfce? |
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| 16:50.06 | jhutchins | RTEric: You might need to start something like "gnome-panel" or something. |
| 16:50.25 | level7 | I am wondering how to do a backup of my data (windows, android, etc) and use Debian application/distro on a cloud architectrue. Any hint? : |
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| 16:50.41 | jhutchins | RTEric: Do you get a launch window when you press ALt-F2? |
| 16:50.52 | malik__ | how is this thing called again that "hightlights" your curstor when pressing ctrl for example? |
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| 16:51.35 | malik__ | there is a little animations, circles around the cursor when pressing ctrl here, i want to disable it... |
| 16:51.52 | FreezingCold | I guess I should make my /boot ext2? |
| 16:51.54 | RTEric | jhutchins: Alt-F2 open a terminal, I'm trying a "startx"... |
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| 16:52.34 | jhutchins | RTEric: No, x is already started. |
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| 16:52.55 | jhutchins | RTEric: It should open a launcher with a single command line, not a terminal. |
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| 16:53.05 | djjunde | level7: are you planning to create debian based backup server? |
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| 16:53.53 | malik__ | a found it |
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| 16:54.16 | boudiccas_ | level7; have you looked at 'obnam' for backups? its in the repos & backports |
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| 16:55.19 | joelteon | how do I override the --build option passed by dh_auto_configure? |
| 16:55.24 | RTEric | jhutchins: I'll try to install xfce, to be sure the problem is from gnome. |
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| 16:56.11 | level7 | well the idea is something similar to dropbox |
| 16:56.17 | level7 | or even better |
| 16:56.29 | level7 | some sort of "cloud" thing that I can sync my laptop and my phone data |
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| 16:56.36 | level7 | that's what I Am looking for |
| 16:56.41 | level7 | also if I have to pay, that's ok |
| 16:56.44 | sybariten | hiyall |
| 16:56.49 | level7 | I mean... if it's licensed |
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| 16:57.30 | joelteon | also, does anyone know how I can get full configure output from pdebuild? |
| 16:57.32 | sybariten | i have this laptop that i rjun a debian system off sometimes, a live distro that i run toram.. so everytime i reboot it i start from scratch |
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| 16:58.26 | level7 | brb |
| 16:58.39 | joelteon | all i'm getting is "Unknown CPU" and that's hard to narrow down |
| 16:58.39 | sybariten | now, this machine has wireless nic drivers out there sometimes, i have set them up once over cabled connection and that worked. but its a hassle to need the cable first |
| 16:59.51 | sybariten | considering i have some space where i can save files on the usb memory, wheere do you suggest i start looking for downloadable files to use for the drivers? |
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| 17:00.50 | sybariten | 8& /95 73= 59 294(8/+ 285* =3_ -8)3 9 8 =9/5 (/92 8- 5*343 )26 =3_ -8)3 59 _3 -97/= -94 +8%3/ 05 9034589/? |
| 17:01.09 | jhutchins | joelteon: Most likely that's a 32b proc trying to run a 64b kernel. |
| 17:01.36 | anonnumberanon | sybariten, you tried the Debian website? |
| 17:01.57 | sybariten | fuck sorry... uh im not used to working with deb files, so i dont know if there are always ways to download the things that correspond to an apt operation |
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| 17:02.30 | sybariten | anonnumberanon: no not yet, will i have to take dependencies into consideration myself? |
| 17:02.52 | anonnumberanon | for wireless drivers? |
| 17:03.09 | joelteon | jhutchins: this is the amd64 version of this package from the maintainer |
| 17:03.10 | sybariten | i remember that i needed to activate some "non free" repo for it to work |
| 17:03.18 | sybariten | yes. for wireless drivers |
| 17:03.27 | anonnumberanon | for what to work? |
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| 17:04.06 | joelteon | here's the output if anybody's curious: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7a299717411828552742 |
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| 17:04.36 | sybariten | anon uhh im on my phone now, dont remember completely but for my chipset, which was fairly well known, there was some instructions on how to get the drivers |
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| 17:05.30 | anonnumberanon | what is your chipset then? |
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| 17:05.41 | FreezingCold | So I'm debootstrap'ing debian right now, what system do Debian use to deal with encrypt partitions? Like, how can I set it in grub? |
| 17:05.57 | sybariten | just curious if you can do something like an apt installation over cable then, and tell apt to keep a deb file of everything it downloads, somewhere.... |
| 17:06.25 | sybariten | anon uh sorry, dont remember but its a lenovo x100 machine.... |
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| 17:06.36 | busy87 | hi all |
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| 17:07.00 | busy87 | i have deleted /etc/passwd for error.. |
| 17:07.31 | busy87 | how can I restore? |
| 17:08.05 | FreezingCold | busy87: you can't. What did you have in there before? |
| 17:08.20 | FreezingCold | busy87: what filesystem is it, and have you turned it off right away? |
| 17:08.20 | busy87 | i have the contents of the file |
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| 17:08.45 | FreezingCold | then just copy it back in... |
| 17:08.47 | FreezingCold | if you have the file |
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| 17:08.58 | busy87 | FreezingCold ext4 |
| 17:09.04 | level7 | so I was wondering if there is something that is "cloud" backup |
| 17:09.07 | anonnumberanon | sybariten, do you mean the Lenovo x100e? |
| 17:09.08 | arietis | hey |
| 17:09.15 | arietis | any ideas how to fix that shit? http://pastebin.com/5nQK5MQv |
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| 17:09.25 | FreezingCold | busy87: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:09.55 | busy87 | FreezingCold how i can copy? i not have permission |
| 17:10.38 | FreezingCold | busy87: I cannot walk you through life. You will have to figure it out. Come back when you have a real question |
| 17:11.23 | busy87 | ok FreezingCold |
| 17:11.24 | busy87 | bye |
| 17:11.44 | sybariten | anonnumberanon: yeah youre right. i have it right in front of me here at the train... |
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| 17:12.36 | anonnumberanon | don't drop it on the tracks you might lose that awesome keyboard! |
| 17:12.39 | anonnumberanon | :) |
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| 17:14.01 | ikszman | helo :) |
| 17:14.07 | FreezingCold | Hey so is there any decent documentation on install debian with LUKS...? |
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| 17:14.47 | ikszman | beszéli valaki csúnya magyart? :) |
| 17:14.56 | anonnumberanon | sybariten, what distro do you want to install on that laptop? |
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| 17:18.27 | sybariten | anonnumberanon: not exactly installing anything literally, but im running a debian... version 7...? ..off a usb memory. |
| 17:19.13 | anonnumberanon | and wireless does not work? |
| 17:19.58 | FreezingCold | Do I need /proc in my fstab? |
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| 17:23.23 | sybariten | anonnumberanon: as far as ive been able to tell the six or seven times ive booted it, wireless just "isnt there" by default from a fresh restart, no |
| 17:23.55 | sybariten | it was under ubuntu though... is it uncommon to lack wireless nic drivers like that? |
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| 17:25.12 | mtn | sybariten: probably missing firmware: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:25.19 | anonnumberanon | sybariten, your laptop is not well supported so you have to do a few things. |
| 17:25.23 | joelteon | can I skip the make step with dh and only run make install? |
| 17:25.42 | anonnumberanon | Although they say on the laptop's help page that, as of kernel 2.6.32-22.33 wireless should work out of the box |
| 17:26.04 | anonnumberanon | So check your kernel and tell us what kernel you are using. |
| 17:26.27 | mtn | anonnumberanon: laptop model doesn't matter, wireless chip does. sometimes they come with various chips |
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| 17:29.08 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: speaking of kernels |
| 17:29.18 | FreezingCold | what's linux-image-646-pae mean? |
| 17:29.21 | FreezingCold | the pae part |
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| 17:30.13 | ArtyG | FreezingCold, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension ? |
| 17:30.13 | dvs | FreezingCold: it's a way of addressing more than 4GB of memory with a 32-bit processor. |
| 17:30.32 | FreezingCold | dvs: it's the only option I can pick though |
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| 17:31.02 | anonnumberanon | PAE (Physical Address Extension). This feature is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion or Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7; and some other processors. |
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| 17:31.03 | FreezingCold | dvs: I have a P4, I want 686 not 486 right? |
| 17:31.29 | FreezingCold | linux-image-686? |
| 17:31.31 | dvs | FreezingCold: is it a real Pentium 4? |
| 17:31.38 | FreezingCold | dvs: uh, think so? |
| 17:32.11 | FreezingCold | it's listed as a 3.2GHz P4 |
| 17:32.15 | dvs | FreezingCold: There is an off chance that you can pick amd64 as well but you have to know your exact model |
| 17:32.28 | FreezingCold | dvs: na I'll just stick with 686 if it's safe |
| 17:32.42 | dvs | ok |
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| 17:32.55 | anonnumberanon | mtn, indeed, however that specific laptop seems to have quite a few compatibility issues, not only the wlan0 drivers... |
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| 17:33.46 | FreezingCold | dvs: I had to debootstrap the install, but now I'm unsure if grub will actually setup things correctly or not... |
| 17:33.55 | anonnumberanon | FreezingCold, have you picked a desktop environment for your distro yet? |
| 17:34.36 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: xfce with lxdm as the login manager |
| 17:34.42 | dvs | FreezingCold: If you are debootstrapping then you can check /proc/cpuinfo to see if you can handle amd64 |
| 17:34.57 | FreezingCold | dvs: nope |
| 17:35.07 | anonnumberanon | nice one |
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| 17:35.29 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: yeah it's just for my parents :) |
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| 17:36.55 | FreezingCold | dvs: so I've added the crypted partition to /etc/crypttab already... Will grub magically know about this? |
| 17:37.22 | dvs | FreezingCold: no idea. I don't use encryptionn |
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| 17:39.11 | nkuttler | !ops Brazil_Website spamming |
| 17:39.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: Brazil_Website spamming |
| 17:39.17 | FreezingCold | dvs: heh, we'll see I guess |
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| 17:40.30 | FreezingCold | okay I can't install grub |
| 17:40.36 | FreezingCold | god damn it |
| 17:41.48 | anonnumberanon | why not? |
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| 17:43.27 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: the guide doesn't cover it very well. 'grub-probe cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).' |
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| 17:43.45 | nkuttler | FreezingCold: well, is /dev mounted? |
| 17:44.07 | FreezingCold | nkuttler: well fdisk can see it within the chroot. Doesn't that mean it's working? |
| 17:46.09 | anonnumberanon | It is working but not mounted. |
| 17:46.27 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: oh. so how should I mount it? |
| 17:46.56 | anonnumberanon | Can you take a picture of the screen I don't know where you are in the installation. |
| 17:49.00 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: managed to install it after mounting it |
| 17:49.08 | FreezingCold | I'm not using any install tool, I had to debootstrap it |
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| 17:50.06 | FreezingCold | yeah I see no mention of my crypt grub.cfg |
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| 17:50.24 | anonnumberanon | fYou dbootstrapped it to be able to engrypt some of its partitons? |
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| 17:52.46 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: uh sure I guess. basically I just created a /boot and then a crypted partition, which I created / on (raw device is at /dev/mapper/root and then mounted again) |
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| 17:56.20 | JennieL | Hi. I'm installing/configuring a new Debian box. Working on my shell config, etc. I've installed my fave editor from repos, "joe". Configured it the same way I did on my fedora & opensuse boxes. On those boxes, if I copy-n-paste a bunch of XML, containing "<" & ">", paste is correct. On the debian system, atm, every pasted line autoindents relative to the previous. So I get a "waterfall" of text ... |
| 17:56.40 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: it seems like debian really doesn't care about encryption |
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| 17:56.52 | JennieL | I've stared at and reinstalled my joe config -- to no avail. I'm guessing some pkg is missing. Any ideas/hints? |
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| 17:59.53 | anonnumberanon | Freeaqingme, I'd be interested in reading the guide you are following. |
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| 18:03.24 | the__Dreamer | I installed nvidia 304 and a week later an update gave me I think it was 319 which killed my screen... anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 18:04.00 | MrMonkey31 | JennieL: maybe search for alternate copies of the rc. like perhaps ~/joe/joerc is overriding /etc/joe/joerc (for example; I don't have these files myself) |
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| 18:05.19 | xSmurf | hey guys, is it possible to enable hybrid suspend/hibernate? ie I want to suspend by default but write the memory in case something goes wrong (power failure) and the power is lost |
| 18:05.20 | JennieL | MrMonkey31: hi. sure, got bit by that long ago. I've already overridden with rc's in my ~/ dir. Configs from there are getting picked up. Something is unique to the processing -- or lack thereof -- of the XML tags. |
| 18:07.21 | pederindi | I have a disk with [4GB Live USB][70 GB FAT32][300 GB EXT4], and by an error, I do a: # cp image.iso /dev/sdb on it, how can I restore my information the image is about 500MB, and in 4GB Live USB I don't have important information |
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| 18:11.52 | FreezingCold | actually looks like I may have convinced my system to accept my crypt partition |
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| 18:12.22 | MrMonkey31 | JennieL: oh! sry, that was the best I had :\ |
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| 18:15.02 | ectospasm | pederindi: did you have a backup of the partition table? |
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| 18:16.06 | FreezingCold | cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load for root |
| 18:16.08 | FreezingCold | ugh |
| 18:16.09 | FreezingCold | that sounds bad |
| 18:16.41 | pederindi | ectospasm: I think no, I'm noob in partition tables, but in testdisk I see my partitions, you have experience with this software? Thanks for answering |
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| 18:17.50 | anonnumberanon | Freeaqingme, and you are doing all this for your parents right? Man, you are one good son... |
| 18:18.09 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: lol the system already had ubuntu on it |
| 18:18.31 | FreezingCold | I just wanted to try out Debian. I find Arch easier, but I like how Debian gives out ARM packages as well |
| 18:18.52 | FreezingCold | while Arch just gives the middle finger to ARM and tells them to start their own project |
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| 18:19.49 | anonnumberanon | I like Debian it is good to start with after leaving Windows. |
| 18:20.26 | the__Dreamer | mint is probably better for a noob, debian takes a bit of skill |
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| 18:21.32 | tonyt | wish the debian live dvd installer worked like it should |
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| 18:21.55 | the__Dreamer | if wishes were horses, beggars would eat steak |
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| 18:22.12 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: haven't used windows in quite some time |
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| 18:23.11 | FreezingCold | huh my encrypt might be working |
| 18:23.23 | FreezingCold | cryptsetup: root set up successfully |
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| 18:25.20 | FreezingCold | oh sexy |
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| 18:25.53 | anonnumberanon | nice |
| 18:26.01 | anonnumberanon | again, what's the guide you followed? |
| 18:26.15 | FreezingCold | grub is defaulting to /dev/mapper/cryptroot for some reason |
| 18:26.21 | FreezingCold | it's actually just /dev/mapper/root |
| 18:27.09 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: I didn't really follow any guide |
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| 18:27.58 | anonnumberanon | ah ok |
| 18:28.02 | marcin_ | Hi, I'm using munin 2 from Squeeze Backports. I can't get working configuration for aggeragation. Can you point me what I mess up here http://pastebin.com/6am4UsF2 ? |
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| 18:28.13 | thoonai | hey |
| 18:28.17 | shawnbon206 | yo! anyone know about mechanical keyboard with cherry mx blue switches? |
| 18:28.24 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: lol I forgot to set any root account |
| 18:28.28 | shawnbon206 | i need advice |
| 18:28.30 | anonnumberanon | yeah they are nice keyboards |
| 18:28.35 | anonnumberanon | ge tone |
| 18:28.45 | anonnumberanon | LOL |
| 18:28.46 | shawnbon206 | well my problem is i have huge hands, which one is the largest? |
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| 18:29.07 | shawnbon206 | none of the companies document how large their keyboards are |
| 18:29.15 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: shouldn't the default root password be blank? |
| 18:29.19 | thoonai | I tried to set up munin with nginx, but munin is not delivering anything |
| 18:29.20 | shawnbon206 | one size fits all doesnt always work |
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| 18:30.10 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: so debian seems to like to default to /dev/mapper/cryptroot |
| 18:30.21 | anonnumberanon | FreezingCold, the pass probably isn't set yet so you'd have to set it now. |
| 18:30.37 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: yeah I have to go back to my livecd as I can't login |
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| 18:31.17 | jatt | hi, why does coreutils and dpkg depend on libsalinux1? |
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| 18:32.18 | abrotman | jatt: in which version of Debian? |
| 18:32.25 | Nik05 | jatt you mean libselinux1? |
| 18:32.26 | thoonai | shawnbon206: I'm using a ibm/lenovo sk-8815, its quite nice to use |
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| 18:32.40 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: I don't even remember setting cryptroot |
| 18:32.45 | FreezingCold | must be a default |
| 18:33.04 | jatt | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/coreutils |
| 18:33.08 | ectospasm | pederindi: does fdisk -l /dev/sdb show your partition table? |
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| 18:33.14 | jatt | Nik05: yes |
| 18:33.25 | FreezingCold | thoonai: isn't that all lenovo now? |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | jatt: do you know what selinux is ? |
| 18:33.32 | Nik05 | because it uses some selinux stuff |
| 18:33.45 | jatt | yes, the reason I asked is I want to remove it from my computer |
| 18:33.52 | Nik05 | remove what? |
| 18:33.54 | jatt | any selinux piece of code |
| 18:33.58 | Nik05 | why? |
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| 18:34.08 | pederindi | ectospasm: Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 18:34.18 | jatt | don't trust selinux given recent nsa scandals |
| 18:34.19 | abrotman | jatt: good luck |
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| 18:34.46 | Nik05 | hm right well you cant remove libselinux1... |
| 18:34.50 | joelteon | is pbuilder supposed to have access to the universe/multiverse packages? |
| 18:34.57 | joelteon | or rather is the sandbox? |
| 18:34.57 | jatt | I see |
| 18:35.00 | abrotman | joelteon: should you be asking #ubuntu ? |
| 18:35.40 | ectospasm | pederindi: you said sdb earlier... |
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| 18:35.53 | jatt | what is special about coreutils and dpkg that require that dependency? these are the two only packages on my system that depend on it |
| 18:35.59 | jatt | just to know |
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| 18:36.07 | abrotman | jatt: do you understand what selinux is? |
| 18:36.23 | pederindi | ectospasm: yes, but be sure that this is the disk, now I connected another |
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| 18:36.30 | Nik05 | the programs coreutils has can also manipulate selinux stuff, so it depends on libselinux1 |
| 18:36.37 | jatt | I see |
| 18:36.38 | pederindi | and the disk affected have 500GB, and is uniqu |
| 18:36.48 | joelteon | yeah, i should be asking #ubuntu, it's a great /dev/null simulator though |
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| 18:36.55 | abrotman | joelteon: good luck |
| 18:36.59 | joelteon | thanks |
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| 18:37.16 | Nik05 | jatt for example ls -Z |
| 18:37.57 | jatt | wow, ok |
| 18:38.02 | jatt | thanks for the info |
| 18:38.19 | ectospasm | pederindi: we should focus on the disk with a problem... it's not likely you'll have a similar partition table on another disk |
| 18:39.10 | thoonai | I tried to set up munin with nginx, but munin is not delivering anything |
| 18:39.26 | pederindi | ectospasm: sorry with the errors in reporting, I'm speaking only for a problem of one disk, that have the characteristics I mentioned before. I said also that testdisk shows the partitions, but I don't know if I should proceed |
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| 18:39.53 | ectospasm | pederindi: can you mount one of the unaffected partitions? |
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| 18:41.35 | pederindi | ectospasm: no, because no partitions detected |
| 18:42.00 | pederindi | mount: mount point /dev/sdc2 does not exist |
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| 18:42.43 | ectospasm | pederindi: I don't use testdisk much, but I think it might be able to write out a partition table based on what it sees... you may want to look this up ("man testdisk") |
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| 18:43.49 | FreezingCold | anonnumberanon: think I know what I did wrong |
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| 18:44.24 | shawnbon206 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gkqQRx3edyYjZjMjZiS3FQSWs/edit?usp=sharing |
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| 18:44.35 | pederindi | ectospasm: thanks for your help |
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| 18:45.05 | Lope | where can I find an easy guide to setting up openVPN on wheezy? |
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| 18:45.40 | Lope | I've googled but I've found varying guides none that quite filfill exactly what I want |
| 18:45.40 | ectospasm | Lope: client or server? |
| 18:45.48 | Lope | server and client |
| 18:45.58 | Lope | server on debian wheezy, client is on ubuntu. |
| 18:46.23 | ectospasm | Lope: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
| 18:46.56 | Lope | its funny I tend not to expect the distro documentation to be helpful, but these days it really is. I need to work on my perception. |
| 18:47.09 | Nik05 | oh and jatt if the nsa wants a backdoor, they probably dont put it in selinux but in some packages that "isnt" made by them |
| 18:47.23 | ectospasm | Lope: Debian documentation tends to be helpful, but sometimes out of date. |
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| 18:48.16 | anthonym | Hey guys, got bind9 installed, configured it up as per usual, tho when I try to 'dig domain.com' (where domain.com has a zone file), I am getting ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 32019 |
| 18:48.39 | anthonym | If I remove the zone { entry from named.conf.local for domain.com, and dig again, domain.com works fine. |
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| 18:49.32 | anthonym | the zone file is : http://pastebin.com/UyUfq5VL |
| 18:50.48 | jatt | Nik05: that's why I was asking why there was that hardcoded dependency between coreutils, dpkg and libselinux1, but I understand your position and see that is a topic were people have different opinions |
| 18:51.18 | anthonym | never usually have issues like this, so feeling kinda stupid. |
| 18:51.19 | Lope | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN what are the IPs referred to --ifconfig 10.9.8.1 10.9.8.2 ? |
| 18:51.42 | Lope | are those virtual IPs that get created or are they machine specific? |
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| 18:53.11 | mallet | Hi. I am looking for a bleeding edge distribution. I am wondering how long it takes for Debian unstable to incorporate, say, the latest release of GCC. |
| 18:53.34 | Kenta | Arch is the bleeding-edge distro. |
| 18:53.48 | FreezingCold | any post install debian documents I should read? |
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| 18:54.07 | abrotman | mallet: that's up to the maintainers |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | FreezingCold: numerous |
| 18:54.27 | anthonym | Thinking of taking a hammer to the server in a sec. |
| 18:54.30 | FreezingCold | aboman: link it up |
| 18:54.32 | DANtheBEASTman | I'm writing a quick howto and backporting from source, I'd love some criticism https://gist.github.com/DanielFGray/7108454 |
| 18:54.36 | deego | mallet: there's experimental.. |
| 18:54.38 | DANtheBEASTman | s/and/on/ |
| 18:54.52 | mallet | Kenta: I am considering Arch too. I am wondering how different Debian unstable and Arch are in terms of software versions. |
| 18:55.19 | abrotman | deego: no, there isn't |
| 18:55.47 | abrotman | DANtheBEASTman: and what if build-deps can't be satisfied? |
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| 18:55.51 | DANtheBEASTman | mallet: Arch Linux is usually much more up to date, they usually use the latest packages from upstream, while Sid usually lags by months |
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| 18:56.28 | abrotman | that's not really true, it's up the maintainers |
| 18:56.42 | mallet | DANtheBEASTman: I see. Thanks! |
| 18:57.22 | DANtheBEASTman | abrotman: good point.. i should include how it may not always work and that it's not a fool proof method it's only a simple sid backport.. |
| 18:58.31 | Mudzin | Hey, got a question, I created directory D1 with permission 2777, somebody creates there own directory and his directory has my group but he can change groupe of his directory. What's the point of flag s on group for directories? |
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| 18:59.04 | FreezingCold | mallet: tbh I would go with Arch if I didn't care about stable |
| 18:59.41 | mactimes | I have just installed isc-dhcp-server and changed configurations on /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server (assigned ipv4 only ethernet interface and set "-4" for the OPTIONS variable), but I can still see udp6 port running for the dhcp daemon. Any clues on how to fix that? |
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| 19:01.09 | DANtheBEASTman | abrotman: I updated. Do you have any other input? |
| 19:01.54 | DANtheBEASTman | I must admit I'm unsure myself about what to do if you want to ./configure manually. |
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| 19:02.01 | abrotman | there's no source for experimental IIRC, binary-only |
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| 19:02.13 | ctmjr | Lope, you can use any unused ip range you want |
| 19:02.15 | DANtheBEASTman | there's definitely source for experimental |
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| 19:02.54 | abrotman | DANtheBEASTman: 100% sure about that? |
| 19:02.59 | DANtheBEASTman | yes. |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | doesn't care enough to find a package in experimental to find out |
| 19:03.50 | DANtheBEASTman | echo 'deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian experimental main' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update |
| 19:03.52 | DANtheBEASTman | if you dont' believe me |
| 19:04.44 | DANtheBEASTman | I literally just pulled source for a package version only available in experimental (awesome 3.5) |
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| 19:07.32 | FreezingCold | ugh I think I broke my luks booting again |
| 19:07.53 | FreezingCold | oh nvm it's working |
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| 19:14.09 | Mudzin | Hey, got a question, I created directory D1 with permission 2777, somebody creates there own directory and his directory has my group but he can change groupe of his directory. What's the point of flag s on group for directories? |
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| 19:15.42 | ectospasm | owner can usually change permissions on files |
| 19:16.09 | ectospasm | but then again I don't get into stickiness much |
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| 19:17.53 | uberdub | anybody know the latest on libc6 2.17 on 7? |
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| 19:18.50 | abrotman | uberdub: no |
| 19:18.56 | uberdub | Should I just upgrade to jessie, or use backports? |
| 19:20.20 | ompaul | ,libc6 |
| 19:20.23 | ompaul | ,v libc6 |
| 19:20.24 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-93; sid: 2.17-93 |
| 19:20.54 | uberdub | steam wants 2.15+ |
| 19:21.11 | uberdub | not sure which route is most ideal |
| 19:21.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:21.25 | abrotman | uberdub: there is no 2.15+ for wheezy for libc6 |
| 19:21.30 | ompaul | uberdub: it is testing and unstable - you may not like the result and support for steam is more or less ask steam |
| 19:21.31 | uberdub | I know |
| 19:21.40 | abrotman | dn't see what the confusion is |
| 19:21.47 | uberdub | yeah...but games!!!! |
| 19:21.56 | ompaul | the games are a lie? |
| 19:22.03 | uberdub | they are? |
| 19:22.05 | Mudzin | Hey, got a question, I created directory D1 with permission 2777, somebody creates there own directory and his directory has my group but he can change groupe of his directory. What's the point of flag s on group for directories? |
| 19:22.53 | ompaul | The most common use of the sticky bit today is on directories. When the sticky bit is set, only the item's owner, the directory's owner, or the superuser can rename or delete files. |
| 19:23.07 | ompaul | Mudzin: thus meaning anyone can write but few can delete |
| 19:23.09 | uberdub | which is gonna be more stable? backports, or just upgrading to jessie? |
| 19:23.40 | ompaul | uberdub: libc in a backport is not a good idea as that is what your machine relies on |
| 19:23.49 | uberdub | yeah |
| 19:24.04 | uberdub | so upgrade best bet? |
| 19:24.10 | uberdub | its a fresh install |
| 19:24.16 | uberdub | of 7 |
| 19:24.21 | Mudzin | ompaul: you are talking about t bit, what's about s bit for groups |
| 19:24.53 | ompaul | Mudzin: so I am |
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| 19:25.49 | Mudzin | ompaul: I know how t bit works, but I asked about s bit for groups coz I don't have any idea what's the point of it |
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| 19:27.25 | ompaul | Mudzin: and I got 'S' = The directory's setgid bit is set, but the execute bit isn't set. 's' = The directory's setgid bit is set, and the execute bit is set. |
| 19:27.42 | ompaul | SetGID = When another user creates a file or directory under such a setgid directory, the new file or directory will have its group set as the group of the directory's owner, instead of the group of the user who creates it. |
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| 19:28.43 | Mudzin | ompaul: Yes, exactly, but users can change the group of created file, so what's the point of bit s? |
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| 19:30.32 | ompaul | Mudzin: why would a group ownership be useful ... oh look it was created by john:sales who is part of X division which is has as a subset sales I guess |
| 19:30.52 | ompaul | Mudzin: without a use case you can't really dream up an answer I guess |
| 19:31.26 | ompaul | I don't have one but if I did I'm sure it would read something like that - it provides possible greater exposure for the file |
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| 19:38.48 | naptastic | What's the correct way to put a Debian .iso image onto a USB stick so I can boot off it? |
| 19:38.52 | naptastic | Do I cat it or dd it? |
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| 19:39.17 | DANtheBEASTman | dd |
| 19:39.26 | naptastic | sweet, thanks :-) |
| 19:39.42 | naptastic | I'm just gonna lurk here in case I need more help. But that's unlikely... |
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| 19:46.33 | asterismo | hi people |
| 19:46.41 | naptastic | hello :-) |
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| 19:48.20 | asterismo | how can i encrypt a folder or partition in external SDcard and mount it using a debian chroot in android? i already have the debian chroot functioning, but i wish i would capable of mounting external SD folders or partitions, preferably encrypted |
| 19:48.22 | asterismo | any ideas? |
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| 19:48.53 | blah | Using Virtualbox, I am trying to get Debian guest on a Debian host with bridged networking and a static IP working. I've set up the network adapter to be bridged in Virtualbox and have the guest OS configured to get a static IP. With this setup, I can ping a website but if I try to wget it, it hangs at the connecting phase |
| 19:48.59 | ectospasm | naptastic: you can cat it as well, and even cp it, but I dd it out of habit. |
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| 19:50.06 | naptastic | blah, What kind of ethernet adapter is on the host? If you're bridging on a wifi adapter, it will do that, because it can't spoof MAC addresses. |
| 19:50.17 | blah | Its a standard ethernet adapter |
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| 19:54.16 | blah | anything you'd recommend I try to troubleshoot this? |
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| 19:54.57 | uberdub | im goin jessie |
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| 19:58.56 | Tylertwo | I use the command "xinput set-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 0" to disable my mouse pointer stick (if I don't the mouse drifts). On Ubuntu, once I entered this command it would last until I reboot the computer, however on Wheezy every time I change TTYs or suspend the laptop the command is "forgotten" and the mouse drift returns. Any idea about how to fix this? |
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| 20:00.53 | daveee123 | What is the difference between testing and Jessie. When using the terms in the sources.list? |
| 20:01.33 | nkuttler | daveee123: testing will always be testing, jessie is the current testing and will be stable one day |
| 20:01.36 | uberdub | jessie is testing |
| 20:02.08 | daveee123 | Thanks uberdub and nkuttler |
| 20:02.24 | daveee123 | Does that mean that right now there is no difference? |
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| 20:03.51 | daveee123 | nkuttler ^ ? |
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| 20:04.03 | Tylertwo | daveee123, yeah |
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| 20:04.22 | daveee123 | Thanks Tylertwo |
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| 20:06.37 | Tylertwo | yw |
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| 20:17.53 | zophy | yehweh |
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| 20:19.05 | zophy | usually pronounced as yewhen while a peron throws their head back in a seizure |
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| 20:20.03 | zophy | i have a seizure every 20 mionutes or so, i was on CBS 60 minutes |
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| 20:20.54 | zophy | i only had one seizure because of all the commercials |
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| 20:23.14 | jhutchins | Hm. Grub install seems to have hung. |
| 20:23.26 | jhutchins | That's not good. Anything special about installing it on an SSD? |
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| 20:26.46 | zophy | i might be a scientologist because i can outsmart a man hunting me with dogs |
| 20:28.47 | zophy | concerning ssd products, does the lack of centripetal force cause data error ? |
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| 20:30.06 | zophy | i have noticed certain anomalies with the squash file system under crushing test conditions |
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| 20:41.05 | Walex | zophy: are your questions serious or humourous? |
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| 20:44.34 | abrotman | zophy: please clean up your garbage script |
| 20:45.12 | STMelon | zophy, this is a help/support channel not a chatroom about seizures, please goto #debian-offtopic for off topic issues, thx |
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| 20:46.01 | naptastic | Are we sure zophy isn't a robot? |
| 20:46.11 | abrotman | it's got a +q .. move on |
| 20:46.18 | STMelon | prolly an AI script kiddy bot |
| 20:46.23 | naptastic | what does +q mean? |
| 20:46.27 | STMelon | muted |
| 20:46.48 | STMelon | bbl |
| 20:46.56 | tony_lechner | Hey guys, I'm trying to set up a simple IMAP/SMTP solution using SSL for authentication on my wheezy server. All the guides I've found either point to turnkey solutions (e.g. iredmail) with way too many features I don't need, or just straight up don't let me login and send mail via SMTP. Anyone know of a simple walkthrough or something? My googling has failed me |
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| 20:47.54 | naptastic | tony_lechner, I don't know much about this. Debian uses Exim4, so you'll want to find out what SSL options it has. Lemme do some looking... |
| 20:48.15 | tony_lechner | naptastic: <3 |
| 20:48.24 | naptastic | blushes |
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| 20:49.04 | naptastic | tony_lechner, have you looked at this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/exim4.html |
| 20:49.18 | naptastic | maybe it's a bit simplistic, and it also seems to assume you'll be using a self-signed cert. |
| 20:49.51 | tony_lechner | That could work |
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| 20:50.03 | paule32 | hello |
| 20:50.17 | paule32 | where can i find ODBCConfig ? |
| 20:50.53 | crabman | Hello. Where can I find a list of desktop environments that are available in Debian Jessie? |
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| 20:52.43 | abrotman | crabman: packages.debian.org |
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| 20:52.49 | nkuttler | !tell crabman about desktop environment |
| 20:52.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell paule32 about apt-file |
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| 20:53.17 | crabman | nkuttler: yeah, I already know about those 4. I want to know about other less popular ones. |
| 20:53.31 | tony_lechner | naptastic: so as I understand, an MTA like exim is for sending mail (e.g. smtp), while i'll still need something like dovecot to handle looking at mail on my desktop's client (e.g. IMAP)? |
| 20:53.37 | nkuttler | crabman: i'm not aware of any other |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | crabman: packages.debian.org |
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| 20:57.41 | naptastic | tony_lechner, right... sorry, I still have a hard time differentiating between them. |
| 20:57.56 | naptastic | tony_lechner, I mainly work on cPanel servers, so I probably can't help you much. |
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| 20:59.03 | tony_lechner | naptastic: hah it's okay. I guess there's only one way I'm going to learn :) |
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| 21:01.17 | verysoftoiletppr | is the wheezy packages SMB2? |
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| 21:01.40 | paule32 | how to use apt-file? |
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| 21:01.47 | paule32 | ODBCConfig |
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| 21:06.14 | saltshaker | having trouble installing my usb wireless nic |
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| 21:06.34 | saltshaker | ath9k_htc is the driver it uses, i have installed firmware-atheros |
| 21:07.23 | owen1 | i used to hibernate with 'sudo pm-hibernate' command. after dist-upgrade it's not working anymore. any tips? |
| 21:07.59 | saltshaker | i cannot see my NICs when i ifconfig -a |
| 21:08.13 | saltshaker | lsmod indicates the ath9k modules are loaded |
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| 21:09.14 | saltshaker | dmesg says [61718.228379] ath9k_htc: probe of 2-1.4:1.0 failed with error -22 |
| 21:10.42 | ectospasm | saltshaker: does it need a binary firmware blob? |
| 21:11.11 | saltshaker | i think so, i was using the nonfree method |
| 21:11.25 | saltshaker | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 21:11.28 | saltshaker | was what i was following |
| 21:11.29 | jhutchins | Very strange. grub-install just hangs. |
| 21:12.44 | saltshaker | actually this might be because i am using a usb3.0 hub |
| 21:12.48 | saltshaker | *controller |
| 21:13.40 | saltshaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.11 | saltshaker | heh that was the problem |
| 21:14.34 | saltshaker | thats odd i thought you were supposed to be able to use usb2.0 devices on usb3.0 controllers |
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| 21:18.11 | paule32 | what have i to do to add a dbase driver to odbcconfig? |
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| 21:18.19 | elvis4526 | Heya, I have a really noob question. Why I can't see all the dejavu font in xfontsel ? |
| 21:18.23 | elvis4526 | But I just installed terminus |
| 21:18.28 | elvis4526 | And I can see it. |
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| 21:30.45 | Frosh | For those that install openmediavault via package, any different from the iso? |
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| 21:33.28 | CyberSix | never heard of it |
| 21:34.04 | Frosh | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallOpenMediaVaultOnDebian |
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| 21:39.23 | saltshaker | anyone else have issues with using usb 2.0 devices in usb 3.0 controllers? |
| 21:39.38 | saltshaker | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:39.57 | dvs | nope |
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| 21:40.35 | dvs | saltshaker: I'd get the backported kernel. |
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| 21:40.50 | daveee123 | What is the package called in apt-get for the gnome desktop environment for Jessie? I can't seem to find it. And have only the terminal |
| 21:42.28 | daveee123 | gnome and gnome-core don't work |
| 21:45.26 | ectospasm | task-gnome-desktop? |
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| 21:47.08 | daveee123 | Ectospasm. Thanks |
| 21:48.05 | pixmin | Hi :) Is there a way to follow what's going on with compiz being included back (or not) in wheezy? |
| 21:49.42 | pixmin | Like a blog, a feed or a mailing list where this is being discussed? Thanks :) |
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| 21:53.29 | abrotman | pixmin: it own't be |
| 21:53.32 | abrotman | won't be |
| 21:53.57 | abrotman | pixmin: it's dead upstream, no one wants to maintain it |
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| 21:54.01 | abrotman | (the package I mean) |
| 21:54.14 | pixmin | abrotman, ouch, really not what I was hoping to hear! |
| 21:54.36 | pixmin | abrotman, I see, so it will go away from sid as well then? |
| 21:54.47 | abrotman | it's not in sid |
| 21:55.28 | pixmin | no? I assumed it was since I just checked and ccsm still is in sid, my bad |
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| 21:55.52 | abrotman | pixmin: check again, it's not there |
| 21:56.32 | pixmin | abrotman, Indeed, ccsm is but no more compiz in sid either, ok... |
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| 21:57.02 | abrotman | sees no package named ccsm |
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| 21:57.07 | pixmin | abrotman, would you happen to know if anything else is going to replace it? |
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| 21:57.22 | pixmin | abrotman, http://packages.debian.org/sid/compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 21:57.23 | abrotman | many things have incorporated the ideas of compiz |
| 21:57.30 | abrotman | pixmin: so not 'ccsm' :) |
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| 21:57.36 | pixmin | abrotman, sorry :) |
| 21:57.48 | abrotman | pixmin: also, that package isn't in sid either |
| 21:58.27 | pixmin | abrotman, no? can you tell that from the page I just sent? I assumed if it's found and listed, it's in... |
| 21:58.46 | abrotman | pixmin: look which architectures? |
| 21:58.51 | pixmin | ho, I see, the architecture |
| 21:59.30 | pixmin | abrotman, in "many things", do you have anything in mind that isn't gnome shell or unity? |
| 22:00.04 | pixmin | because either is not incorporating features that where really dear to me |
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| 22:01.39 | abrotman | pixmin: which are what? |
| 22:02.52 | pixmin | abrotman, show windows of the same application? cube? "proper" zoom? invert colors? easy change opacity/saturation? |
| 22:03.13 | abrotman | NFC .. kwin,xfwm,mutter,metacity are the ones i know of |
| 22:03.21 | pixmin | the list I have in mind is quite long... many of the features I "lost" were actually about productivity, not eye candy |
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| 22:05.28 | pixmin | ok, thanks, I'm running xfce4 at the moment but haven't gone much further than with the gnome fallback/shell to get back those options |
| 22:05.49 | pixmin | I believe mutter is the one used by gnome shell, I'll check the others |
| 22:06.32 | pixmin | abrotman, and, IF someone was to adopt the package, is there a way to monitor this? |
| 22:07.23 | saltshaker | i haven't run anything but xfce for about 2 years |
| 22:07.37 | pixmin | saltshaker, switched from gnome? |
| 22:07.37 | abrotman | yes, mutter is the gnome-shell WM |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | pixmin: uhm .. you can maybe subscribe the PTS page, not sure |
| 22:08.15 | pixmin | abrotman, they definitely made some improvements, but it still feels like going back in time compared to where I was with gnome2+compiz |
| 22:08.46 | abrotman | pixmin: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/compiz.html |
| 22:08.55 | saltshaker | yes switched from gnome |
| 22:09.06 | saltshaker | used kde a little inbetween |
| 22:09.07 | saltshaker | fusion |
| 22:09.07 | pixmin | abrotman, much obliged :) I was googling PTS ;) |
| 22:09.15 | abrotman | pixmin: see the bottom of the page, says you can subscribe |
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| 22:10.13 | pixmin | saltshaker, haven't used KDE ever since I switched to gnome... that would be maybe a decade... how was fusion? |
| 22:10.41 | saltshaker | was pretty cool, my laptop thought it was too "heavy" |
| 22:10.46 | saltshaker | crappy intel vid card it had |
| 22:10.55 | saltshaker | would make my laptop run hot |
| 22:11.11 | saltshaker | dell d630 FYI |
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| 22:27.03 | codepython777 | I've a debian box that hangs a wget/curl request to a particular site : http://cloudshark.org/captures/7e86057afd34 - any networking guys perhaps can tell me what is wrong? |
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| 22:28.19 | nkuttler | codepython777: works for me |
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| 22:28.55 | codepython777 | nkuttler: I'm trying to find out what is wrong with my box. |
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| 22:29.12 | saltshaker | cloudshark is pretty cool imo |
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| 22:31.51 | dreamer | hi all, why doesn't python-django on wheezy have an admin/media/ dir? |
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| 22:34.38 | pixmin | saltshaker, ok, thanks for the feedback :) I might git it a try in a virtual machine... |
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| 22:35.48 | SuperFAQ_com_br | Hi, Good Night! |
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| 22:37.36 | saltshaker | np |
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| 22:37.57 | dreamer | ah, the media/css ff is now in: /usr/share/pyshared/django/contrib/admin/static/admin/ it seems |
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| 22:59.18 | daveee123 | daveee123 I cannot figure out how to get my dm back. I changed my sources.list to Jessie. Then apt-get upgrade and everything was good. Then. I noticed a bunch of packages we're be held back so I did a dist-upgrade and said yes to removing a ton of stuff. Bad idea. Now it boots directly to a command shell and Internet does not work. Any suggestions to recover? Also the grub screen shows debian 3.10.something and 3.2.4? Both with recov |
| 22:59.35 | pixmin | abrotman, ha, thanks to debian snapshots I have managed to install compiz, now if only I could also install compizconfigsettingsmanager! |
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| 22:59.59 | pixmin | abrotman, I found the debian snapshots thanks to the link you gave me, so thanks :) |
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| 23:02.16 | bbtech_ | I'm having trouble booting debian wheezy. It hangs on "Enabling power management....". |
| 23:02.28 | bbtech_ | Anyone have suggestions? I'm new to debian/linux. |
| 23:03.42 | bbtech_ | I'm booting into recover mode, maybe dmesg will tell me more? |
| 23:04.16 | mtn | daveee123: #debian-next on the oftc server might be a better place to get help with jessie |
| 23:04.22 | bbtech_ | hmm or does dmesg get overwritten when I reboot it? |
| 23:04.32 | daveee123 | Thanks mtn |
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| 23:06.07 | daveee12_ | Mtn: oftc is that irc.oftc.net? |
| 23:06.16 | bbtech_ | Is it likely hanging on "power management" or whatever comes after it? |
| 23:07.03 | mtn | daveee12_: yes, that is correct |
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| 23:09.24 | bbtech_ | I just booted into safe mode, typed startx and got a blank screen. I assume that is not normal? |
| 23:09.57 | bbtech_ | **looked like there were errors before the blank screen but if flashed off the screen |
| 23:10.04 | jhutchins | bbtech_: dmesg is effectively rewritten. |
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| 23:10.22 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: ok good to know |
| 23:10.38 | jhutchins | bbtech_: I wouldn't be surprised if X wouldn't start in recovery mode, it's meant to be a minimal console-based envirnment |
| 23:11.08 | bbtech_ | ok, I'll ignore that issue then :-) |
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| 23:11.32 | jhutchins | Does the "enabling power management |
| 23:11.40 | bbtech_ | rebooted again and got a "fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!" |
| 23:11.44 | jhutchins | message show in the console or the GUI? |
| 23:11.49 | bbtech_ | and a trace |
| 23:11.58 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: console |
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| 23:12.21 | jhutchins | bbtech_: Might try booting with the noapci switch. |
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| 23:13.10 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: the system is pretty new |
| 23:14.19 | bbtech_ | ok, I'm going to reboot again, it's doing different things with each reboot....this last time its outputting a stack trace every few minutes. |
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| 23:15.54 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: this time it rebooted didn't hang on power management and then went to a black screen. |
| 23:16.09 | jhutchins | bbtech_: Also might eliminate "quiet" from the boot command, may show more messages. |
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| 23:16.31 | jhutchins | bbtech_: Does Ctrl-Alt-F1 give you a login prompt? |
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| 23:17.08 | bbtech_ | sorry, just rebooted again to do the quite thing...I'll let it boot with no changes and see about ctrl-alt+f1 |
| 23:17.28 | bbtech_ | ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing |
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| 23:17.40 | unclezipper_ | Ok, so I was having trouble with my wireless yesterday after I did a clean install of Debian 7. I got the drivers installed(ipw2200), what else do I need to do? ifconfig doesn't show any wireless interfaces |
| 23:17.48 | guest43563 | anyone know linux program that translate text? |
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| 23:19.00 | abrotman | translate.google.com |
| 23:19.22 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: I don't see a quite parameter on the grub boot option |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | guest43563: apt-cache search translate .. look through the list |
| 23:19.59 | guest43563 | abrotman, something like translate.google.com |
| 23:20.13 | guest43563 | abrotman, I already looked in synaptic |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:20.32 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: rebooted again and it is stuck at "enabling power management..." again |
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| 23:20.50 | guest43563 | I tried some, it didn't do any translation, or I didn't manage to operate it, idk |
| 23:20.53 | jhutchins | bbtech_: laptop? |
| 23:20.59 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: nope, desktop |
| 23:21.12 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: alt+f2 takes me to a black screen and alt+f1 takes me back |
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| 23:22.06 | jhutchins | bbtech_: Try noapci, and/or noapic |
| 23:22.20 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: ok googling |
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| 23:22.52 | paulr | so if trying to update from squeeze->wheezy, and getting "The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer presen..." - should I pick /dev/sda? ;/ |
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| 23:23.31 | bbtech_ | jhutchins:ctrl+alt+del did allow me to reboot it when stuck on "power management" |
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| 23:24.01 | rudi_s | paulr: Pick the disk which contains the /boot parition (or / if you don't have a seperate boot partition). |
| 23:24.24 | paulr | dev/md1 507836 54108 427516 12% /boot |
| 23:24.32 | paulr | so /dev/md1? |
| 23:24.37 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: found the quite line, I was blind |
| 23:24.41 | rudi_s | paulr: Oh, on a RAID? |
| 23:24.52 | paulr | apparently ;/ |
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| 23:26.12 | bbtech_ | Side question, is the best way to troubleshoot a bootup by recording the boot screen? |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | !tell bbtech_ about bootlog |
| 23:26.45 | rudi_s | paulr: If it's a RAID 1 then installing it on the raid should work. |
| 23:26.50 | paulr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.50 | paulr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.55 | paulr | yea, of a raid 1 |
| 23:27.05 | paulr | so use /dev/md1 for grub ? ;p |
| 23:27.13 | owen1 | i used to hibernate with 'sudo pm-hibernate' command. after dist-upgrade it's not working anymore. any tips? |
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| 23:28.09 | rudi_s | paulr: If it's the raid which contains /boot, then yes. |
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| 23:28.43 | paulr | GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/md1 |
| 23:28.44 | rudi_s | But AFAIK the format must be 0.9 to support booting from RAID 1. |
| 23:28.48 | paulr | hmm |
| 23:28.51 | paulr | format? |
| 23:28.58 | crabman | If I file a feature request bugreport to bugs.debian.org, will anyone even read it or should I file it directly to upstream? |
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| 23:29.02 | rudi_s | For the meta-data of the raid. |
| 23:29.10 | rudi_s | crabman: Upstream |
| 23:29.22 | rudi_s | Reduces the work for the maintainer. |
| 23:29.25 | paulr | how do you see the format |
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| 23:30.57 | rudi_s | paulr: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf should contain it. I don't know the mdadm command. |
| 23:31.02 | bbtech_ | ok, now the reboot does not hang on power management, instead it goes to a black screen |
| 23:31.30 | bbtech_ | This all do nothing: ctrl+alt+del, ctrl+alt+f1, alt+f1, alt+f2 |
| 23:31.45 | paulr | rudi_s: that just contains a DEVICES line + MAILADDR line |
| 23:32.13 | bbtech_ | will try adding noapic now |
| 23:32.36 | rudi_s | paulr: Ah, mdadm --detail should display it under the Version field. |
| 23:32.50 | paulr | 1.2 |
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| 23:33.14 | rudi_s | paulr: Hm. And you booted from that partition with the same RAID setup? |
| 23:33.39 | paulr | I was just trying to do aptitude update;upgrade from 6->7 |
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| 23:33.51 | rudi_s | But it worked in the past? |
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| 23:34.02 | paulr | box has worked fine for ages :) |
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| 23:34.40 | rudi_s | Then I'm confused because I thought booting from RAID 1 only works with 0.9 metadata format. |
| 23:34.44 | rudi_s | (Never tried it though.) |
| 23:35.00 | paulr | think that might be lilo vs grub |
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| 23:35.26 | rudi_s | Could be. |
| 23:35.38 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: all of those flags just get me to a black screen where the system is hung. Should I boot to console and install bootlogd? |
| 23:35.50 | rudi_s | Anyway, install grub on the "disk", not on the partition where /boot is mounted. |
| 23:36.03 | Tar3k | hello to everywhere |
| 23:36.07 | Tar3k | XD |
| 23:36.12 | bbtech_ | jhutchins: I assume hitting ctrl+x or f10 in grub actually saves my changes...but only for that one boot? |
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| 23:36.46 | paulr | Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version |
| 23:36.46 | paulr | Segmentation fault |
| 23:36.46 | paulr | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 23:36.46 | paulr | Generating grub.cfg ... |
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| 23:37.02 | paulr | picking disk might not have been best idea ;p |
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| 23:38.00 | paulr | although update-grub was ok after that |
| 23:38.21 | bbtech_ | oh looks like I have no internet in recovery mode |
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| 23:38.36 | bbtech_ | well, darn, how do I troubleshoot this boot issue :/ |
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| 23:50.33 | bbtech_ | Here is a pictrure of where my box is hanging on the boot: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20131026_164325_995-Edi1dhCE.jpg |
| 23:50.42 | bbtech_ | Any advice is appreciated! |
| 23:50.57 | bbtech_ | *sorry for the blur |
| 23:51.05 | paulr | well, it rebooted fine ;) |
| 23:52.22 | mumpitzel | bbtech_: disabled powermanagement then? |
| 23:52.39 | bbtech_ | mumpitzel: how? |
| 23:52.59 | mumpitzel | by removing it from /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 23:52.59 | bbtech_ | Is it in the bios? |
| 23:53.18 | crabman | Is it just me or do anyone else's computers boot a lot longer than they used to - taking a long time at "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" after one of the recent debian jessie updates? |
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| 23:56.55 | bbtech_ | mumpitzel: what file is it? s18acpid? |
| 23:57.59 | bbtech_ | or maybe acpi-support? |
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| 23:59.17 | mumpitzel | bbtech_: grep for "power management" maybe |
| 23:59.52 | bbtech_ | mumpitzel: good idea, it's acpi-support |
