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| 00:01.42 | bbtech_ | drum roll.... |
| 00:01.59 | bbtech_ | computer still hangs on a black screen |
| 00:02.10 | bbtech_ | *not on power management |
| 00:02.21 | bbtech_ | I'm not sure if it is the same problem or a different one |
| 00:02.59 | bbtech_ | this is a fairly new install on a newly built computer (about 1 month old) |
| 00:03.14 | bbtech_ | How can I pinpoint the cause? |
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| 00:04.09 | cooldude | hi guys, i have archey installed on a fresh new install of Debian 6 because the old installation failed, and when i perform archey, i get a " df: no file systems processed " error, i know i possibly came to this error before and i knew how to fix it, but i forgot and need help, so nonetheless, can someone help me fix this issue or direct me to a channel that can help me fix it please? Thanks! |
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| 00:07.18 | acu | Debian Uber Alles :) |
| 00:07.46 | OldParr | i have no sound, lsmod shows some modules running http://paste.debian.net/62048/ |
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| 00:08.29 | acu | I am planning to install a server - with two HDD - one for OS and one as LVM for virtual machines - - I wonder what is the "recomended" way to partition the host OS so I can most easily backup and restore |
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| 00:09.53 | gringao | hi everyone |
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| 00:10.14 | gringao | i am diying to configure a debian snmp client for nagios >< |
| 00:10.32 | gringao | somebody is available to help me with that ? |
| 00:10.52 | gringao | i already installed snmpd, snmp and nagios-snmp-plugins |
| 00:10.57 | gringao | but nothing |
| 00:11.22 | acu | gringao: try to be specific on your question -what OS version - what hardware - what are you trying to do - what exactly is the message |
| 00:11.53 | crabman | How can I make it possible to run GUI applications with sudo instead of gksu/kdesu? Without any special setup it fails to connect to xorg or something like that. |
| 00:11.59 | gringao | SNMP TABLE ERROR : No response from remote host |
| 00:12.04 | gringao | debian wheezy |
| 00:12.04 | acu | there are plenty of uber gurus here, but they would not spend all night to figure out how to help you unless you are SPECIFIC |
| 00:12.09 | acu | ! Ask |
| 00:12.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:12.31 | nkuttler | crabman: never run x apps as root. why do you think you need to do that? |
| 00:13.03 | crabman | nkuttler: I want to edit a config file and I don't want to use nano/ed/vim/emacs. |
| 00:13.23 | crabman | nkuttler: mind explaining why I shouldn't do that? |
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| 00:13.34 | nkuttler | !tell crabman about root x |
| 00:13.52 | crabman | nkuttler: well, I already use kdesu for that. |
| 00:14.03 | nkuttler | crabman: exploit in x app, instant root. frequent crashes. bad practice |
| 00:14.08 | crabman | nkuttler: but kdesu isn't even in $PATH by default so I thought there must be another way. |
| 00:14.25 | crabman | nkuttler: why can there be exploit in x app and not in console app? |
| 00:14.44 | nkuttler | crabman: just update your PATH then, or modify the file permissions or add yourself to the right group |
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| 00:15.16 | crabman | nkuttler: so... Is using x apps with root through kdesu safe? |
| 00:15.34 | OldParr | i have no sound, lsmod shows some modules running but i have no experience with audio modules --> http://paste.debian.net/62048/ please |
| 00:15.48 | nkuttler | crabman: depends on your definition of "safe". for me, no |
| 00:16.40 | nkuttler | !tell OldParr about alsa checklist |
| 00:18.05 | djjunde | cooldude: what says your /etc/mtab? |
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| 00:19.00 | cooldude | djjunde, http://pastebin.com/uae00WRg |
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| 00:20.18 | djjunde | cooldude: and how about cat /proc/mounts |
| 00:20.24 | djjunde | they should match |
| 00:21.05 | cooldude | yes they match |
| 00:21.27 | djjunde | hm |
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| 00:24.07 | cooldude | djjunde, this is what happens when i do " archey " -> http://pastebin.com/B7AcRF8R |
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| 00:28.38 | djjunde | cooldude: can you run df -m -t simfs |
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| 00:29.02 | OldParr | nkuttler: i checked all items in alsa checklist i can not find the problem aplay runs but you hear nothing ----> http://paste.debian.net/62060/ |
| 00:29.49 | cooldude | djjunde, from running " df -m -t simfs " -> http://pastebin.com/gHpgatWy |
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| 00:30.20 | nkuttler | OldParr: ok, don't run that as root. i'd guess your volume isn't turned up |
| 00:30.29 | nkuttler | OldParr: use alsamixer, unmute and turn up the volume |
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| 00:35.13 | OldParr | nkuttler: "that" was a great advice, is working now, thanks |
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| 00:38.16 | cooldude | djjunde, nvm i fixed it myself, i added '-t', 'simfs' to the error where it says " disk_display " |
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| 00:39.33 | djjunde | ye |
| 00:40.06 | djjunde | just looked and did sed command for that :) |
| 00:40.25 | djjunde | cooldude: does it work now as it should? |
| 00:41.01 | cooldude | djjunde, yes it works |
| 00:41.05 | cooldude | ty for trying to help |
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| 00:56.13 | bbtech_ | Ok, I put together a recording of my boot screen @ 26.9 seconds in the last thing is output on the screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fugESsotR94 |
| 00:56.17 | bbtech_ | Suggestions? |
| 00:57.40 | bbtech_ | Last thing it says is "saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned |
| 00:57.51 | bbtech_ | then it goes black |
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| 01:01.16 | bbtech_ | anyone have suggestions on where to go for help? |
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| 01:01.37 | gchristensen | bbtech_: here, but not on saturday night before halloween. |
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| 01:01.53 | bbtech_ | gchristensen: yeah, that is a good point I guess |
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| 01:02.21 | bbtech_ | gchristensen: only time I have to work on my desktop at home :/ |
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| 01:02.48 | abrotman | not neough sound |
| 01:02.57 | abrotman | bbtech_: nvidia or ati card? |
| 01:03.09 | bbtech_ | abrotman: ati |
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| 01:03.30 | codepython777 | anyone can explain me what is happening in this connection request: http://cloudshark.org/captures/7e86057afd34 |
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| 01:03.45 | abrotman | bbtech_: how did you install fglrx ? |
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| 01:03.56 | bbtech_ | amd 7990 is the model |
| 01:04.12 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I believe I used the fglrx driver via aptitude |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | bbtech_: and you're sure it still supports your card? |
| 01:04.24 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I've been using the driver for about a month and haven't noticed any issues |
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| 01:04.52 | bbtech_ | abrotman: hmm, not sure I know how to tell |
| 01:04.58 | bbtech_ | abrotman: it's a pretty new card |
| 01:05.31 | bbtech_ | sorry, I have the amd 7970 (not 7990) |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | so maybe it doesn't support your card eh? so when it loads the video driver, it does a bad bad thing, and then it goes black |
| 01:05.58 | bbtech_ | abrotman: could a security update make it stop working? |
| 01:06.10 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I haven't touched the drivers and the system was booting fine |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | depends how you installed the driver |
| 01:06.29 | bbtech_ | abrotman: via aptitude I believe |
| 01:06.53 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I think I'm using the proprietary one |
| 01:07.34 | bbtech_ | abrotman: here is the list of everything I have installed on this box: https://github.com/brettbatie/dotfiles/blob/master/custom/desktop-home.list |
| 01:08.09 | bbtech_ | interesting fglrx isn't listed |
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| 01:09.47 | jhutchins | Standard Intel sound, I get a "Mono" channel over the internal speaker, but nothing from the speaker jack. |
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| 01:13.31 | bbtech_ | hmm, fglrx-drriver is marked as p (purged)...Either it got removed or I'm using something else |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | neat |
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| 01:21.45 | bbtech_ | darn, one problem leads to another. Now I need an internet connection so I can reinstall fglrx. How do I get my wifi working in recovery mode? |
| 01:21.59 | bbtech_ | ifconfig wlan1 up gives: wlan1: link is not ready |
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| 01:45.43 | blastwave | is there a way to install 64-bit libX11 libraries on Debian wheezy ? |
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| 01:48.34 | abrotman | are you running amd64? |
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| 01:49.28 | blastwave | abrotman, long time no see |
| 01:49.46 | blastwave | abrotman, no Sir, this is for a build of some software on powerpc64 |
| 01:50.43 | blastwave | in fact : uname -a reports Linux vanth 3.2.0-4-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 ppc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:51.29 | blastwave | under /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu everything is 32-bit and I have libx11-dev etc |
| 01:51.49 | blastwave | however ... it feels as if to build a 64-bit tk I need 64-bit libX11 |
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| 01:52.13 | one_tkbx | blastwave, you rang? |
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| 01:52.23 | one_tkbx | :P |
| 01:53.05 | blastwave | indeed I did |
| 01:53.33 | blastwave | I have been doing builds and tests of GCC 4.8.2 on variois platforms all week and it was time for Debian on PowerPC |
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| 01:54.18 | blastwave | however one needs NIST tcl and expect and perhaps tk which of course needs libX11 which needs to be 64-bit |
| 01:55.01 | blastwave | so I am in the dependency ladder .. and it looks like 64-bit libX11 does not exist on this architecture |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | on ppc64? |
| 01:55.57 | blastwave | yep |
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| 01:56.19 | blastwave | uname -m says ppc64 |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | so which package do you want ? |
| 01:57.06 | blastwave | well I have to guess but it looks like a ppc64 libX11 of some sort .. which does not exist |
| 01:57.19 | blastwave | I think I am snookered and need to build it myself |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | for headers, or some library |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:57.44 | blastwave | well for libX11 I would need the -dev package which I have |
| 01:57.46 | blastwave | did that |
| 01:57.52 | blastwave | what is missing is the 64-bit lib |
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| 01:58.41 | blastwave | the issue is this : /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6.3.0: ELF 32-bit MSB shared object, PowerPC or cisco 4500 ...etc etc |
| 01:58.52 | blastwave | no 64-bit rev seems to exist |
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| 01:59.14 | blastwave | however I could do a apt-cache search or whatever the incantation is to locate the file |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | which version of Debian ? |
| 01:59.54 | blastwave | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | i see a ppc64 version in unstable |
| 02:00.16 | blastwave | oh ? |
| 02:00.20 | blastwave | on .. sid ? |
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| 02:00.28 | abrotman | not sure what that means for you |
| 02:00.30 | blastwave | or what is the next flavour up .. |
| 02:00.58 | blastwave | I forgot the name of the rev after wheezy |
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| 02:01.56 | blastwave | goes to look at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/6.3/x/x7lib.html |
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| 02:02.34 | blastwave | yep ... thanks anyways abrotman , looks like I can either skip tk entirely or build libX11 from sources and install into /usr/local/lib |
| 02:04.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ive got a mini-itx server for home use. I installed a wifi card in the PCI slot. I configured it with wpa_passphrase and wpa_supplicant. Added the needed lines to /etc/rc.local to start the wifi connection. When I cold boot the server it gets to where it loads up minidlna server and it throws an error about not having an ip address. How do I start the network before the minidlna daemon? |
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| 03:05.32 | Che-Anarc | I could even pay! :-p |
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| 03:15.54 | mellynoob | hey guys |
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| 03:16.15 | bbtech_ | well I've made progress. my boot now hangs on "eth1: link is not ready" how do I get the computer to boot? |
| 03:16.18 | mellynoob | what is the common reason why i cannot apt-get? |
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| 03:16.42 | dvs | mellynoob: bad sources.list |
| 03:17.03 | abrotman | you cannot type the command |
| 03:17.10 | dvs | heh |
| 03:17.13 | bbtech_ | lol |
| 03:17.25 | bbtech_ | I was thinking no internet :-) |
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| 03:17.57 | mellynoob1 | sorry got disconnected |
| 03:18.12 | mellynoob1 | whats the reason no packages found? |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | the package doesn't exist |
| 03:18.22 | mellynoob1 | is it because i don't have the correct mirrors? |
| 03:18.22 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I think you were right about fglrx, I have that installed now but I think I messed something up when trying to get my internet working in recovery mode |
| 03:18.29 | mellynoob1 | how can it not exist? |
| 03:18.34 | mellynoob1 | frenohttps://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController#Webmin |
| 03:18.38 | mellynoob1 | this is what im tryin to do |
| 03:18.52 | mellynoob1 | * frenohttps://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController#Webmin |
| 03:18.54 | dvs | webmin? figures! |
| 03:18.58 | mellynoob1 | https://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController#Webmin |
| 03:19.19 | mellynoob1 | dvs, well we noobs have to rely on that |
| 03:19.28 | bbtech_ | I removed network-manager, installled wicd, and commented out my lines that I added in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | you don't have to, you choose to |
| 03:20.00 | mellynoob1 | how else are we gonna configure a samba server with ldap and make it into a domain controlle? |
| 03:20.03 | mellynoob1 | *controller |
| 03:20.03 | bbtech_ | and now it gives the eth1: link down, eth1: link is not ready at the last stage of the boot and hangs |
| 03:20.12 | bbtech_ | *doesn't hang just waits |
| 03:20.41 | abrotman | mellynoob1: hire an admin to do it for you |
| 03:21.27 | abrotman | mellynoob1: pastebin the errors you're getting |
| 03:21.34 | mellynoob1 | abrotman: when you're just starting a charity organization and you have no budget |
| 03:21.46 | mellynoob1 | and you thought you could rely on the opensource community |
| 03:22.02 | mellynoob1 | you get smart answers like "hire an admin to do it for you" |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | wtf do you need a DC for with a small company? |
| 03:22.48 | abrotman | or you can pastebin the errors you're getting |
| 03:23.02 | mellynoob1 | simple |
| 03:23.03 | mellynoob1 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/italc/ |
| 03:23.13 | mellynoob1 | this cannot be installed unless you have a domain controller |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | that's not an error |
| 03:23.34 | mellynoob1 | and im trying to use it with debian |
| 03:23.38 | mellynoob1 | as a domain controller |
| 03:23.42 | abrotman | NOT A FUCKING HERROR |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | ERROR |
| 03:23.49 | mellynoob1 | what? |
| 03:23.52 | abrotman | either paste the error in a pastebin, or stop whining |
| 03:23.54 | mellynoob1 | who are you talking to? |
| 03:24.02 | abrotman | just telling us "it doesn't work" shows us nothing |
| 03:24.17 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
| 03:27.03 | bbtech_ | Well on the bright side, I'm learning a lot but my WAF isn't doing very well. |
| 03:28.53 | mellynoob1 | someone ought to teach abrotman some manners |
| 03:29.13 | abrotman | mellynoob1: you've given us nothing to help you |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | just stating "things don't work", haven't actually shown us errors or anything useful |
| 03:29.37 | mellynoob1 | perhaps, but look at how you responded up and open in the channel |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | waits for useful information |
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| 03:30.49 | bbtech_ | so regarding my issue with eth1 on boot, I removed wicd and that error is gone but it is still stuck on boot |
| 03:30.59 | bbtech_ | I'm now stuck at a black screen with a blinking cursor |
| 03:31.08 | bbtech_ | ideas? |
| 03:31.24 | abrotman | bbtech_: you reinstalled the fglrx? |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | are you sure you were using it before? |
| 03:31.30 | bbtech_ | abrotman: yes I did |
| 03:31.47 | bbtech_ | abrotman: about 75% sure |
| 03:32.08 | abrotman | bbtech_: generally that happens when your card isn't supported by the nvidia or fglrx binary drivers |
| 03:32.16 | abrotman | or not fully installed |
| 03:32.41 | bbtech_ | abrotman: Hmm, maybe I had it installed from source |
| 03:32.47 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I might have used a newer version |
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| 03:32.58 | abrotman | that's possible, and yet one more reason for that driver to break |
| 03:33.04 | bbtech_ | lol |
| 03:33.27 | abrotman | when you install from the nvidia or ati sites directly, updating packages can have interesting consequences |
| 03:33.50 | abrotman | (hence why it's not recommended where possible) |
| 03:34.00 | bbtech_ | hmm |
| 03:34.16 | bbtech_ | abrotman: is it better to find a repo that has a newer version? |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | not sure they exist |
| 03:34.34 | bbtech_ | yeah, they probably don't |
| 03:34.47 | abrotman | i don't know, i'm not required to use those drivers |
| 03:35.54 | mellynoob1 | paste.debian.bet/62102 |
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| 03:36.51 | abrotman | mellynoob1: it appears the instructions you're using are either out of date, or too new for wheezy |
| 03:37.07 | abrotman | looks again at the instructions |
| 03:38.11 | abrotman | mellynoob1: leave that last package off the list, grab the package from webmin, try to install it, see if it complains about missing dependencies |
| 03:38.18 | abrotman | those instrucdtions appear to be very out of date |
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| 03:39.00 | abrotman | http://sourceforge.net/projects/webadmin/files/webmin/1.660/ see how much the version number has changed? |
| 03:39.55 | mellynoob1 | so the debian guide is outdated then? |
| 03:40.02 | mellynoob1 | will try |
| 03:40.05 | mellynoob1 | thank you |
| 03:40.41 | mellynoob1 | same thing 3 of the dependencies are not available |
| 03:40.53 | abrotman | i bet not .. try the newer package, see what it needs |
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| 03:42.12 | mellynoob1 | libauthen-pam-perl, libio-pty-perl and apt-show-versions are not available |
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| 03:43.27 | jesuscakes | my smb.conf |
| 03:43.29 | jesuscakes | http://pastie.org/8433739 |
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| 03:46.13 | pav5088 | It's a new installation |
| 03:46.16 | bbtech_ | abrotman: darn, if I would have looked in my download folder I would have noticed the amd driver I installed version 13.4 |
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| 03:46.35 | bbtech_ | abrotman: ok new plan, purge fglrx* and run propriotary installer |
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| 03:53.21 | nerder | hello, where i can find out some log just before that the pc shutting down? |
| 03:54.26 | nerder | sometimes my pc suddenly shutdown, and i think that is not related with temperature |
| 03:54.35 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I have purged fglrx* but dkms status -m fglrx says it's installed...any idea what to look for? |
| 03:55.07 | bbtech_ | *trying to completely remove it first |
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| 03:56.29 | pav5088 | nerder, all your logs are in /var/log |
| 03:57.02 | pav5088 | nerder, the general logs are /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:57.35 | pav5088 | nerder, there may be other logs in there that interest you... and perhaps you might want to log other things, but that will require configuring. |
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| 03:59.53 | nerder | pav5088, i'm just looking for the cause of this |
| 04:00.07 | nerder | you have some advise that i can follow? |
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| 04:03.59 | pav5088 | nerder, well, shutdowns I would immediately think are temperature related. YOu don't have a way of testing the temp? |
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| 04:05.43 | klync | can someone point me to the best resources / tutorials for making .deb packages? |
| 04:05.44 | bbtech_ | ok, used dkms remove --all fglrx and that took care of that issue |
| 04:05.58 | bbtech_ | I think I'm doing pretty good for a noob |
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| 04:07.08 | elvis4526 | Any termit users ? |
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| 04:10.21 | bbtech_ | So, is the lesson learned here not to use AMD/ATI graphics cards? Or to use only hardware that is least 1-2 years old? |
| 04:10.54 | dvs | bbtech: using hardware at least a year old is a good idea. |
| 04:10.57 | Konomi | nvidia generally does better |
| 04:11.08 | Konomi | amd have started eoling driver support much eairler |
| 04:11.20 | Konomi | but nvidia have their share of mind numbing bugs and take their time fixing things |
| 04:11.33 | nerder | pav5088, i'll test with sensors but looks ok |
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| 04:12.05 | pav5088 | nerder, the only other cause of random shutdowns on a laptop I've seen was a bad power brick which would charge the laptop, but for some reason wasn't able to run the laptop directly from power... so if battery was low it would just die. |
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| 04:12.26 | bbtech_ | interesting, sounds painful with either company |
| 04:13.03 | nerder | this happend with my desktop not with the laptop, could be related with the motherboard? |
| 04:13.17 | nerder | pav5088, or even with video card? |
| 04:13.52 | pav5088 | nerder, first thing I would be suspicious of would be the power supply... do you have another one you could swap in? |
| 04:13.59 | nerder | cause i saw that this often happend while i watching streaming video |
| 04:14.11 | pav5088 | nerder, I would try looking at temp with sensor software also. |
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| 04:15.22 | pav5088 | nerder, do you hear your CPU fan spin faster before it dies? This can indicate overheating issues. |
| 04:16.52 | pav5088 | nerder, really with these kinds of problems it's "divide an conquer"... prove various things aren't an issue if you can ie. temp test, swap in power supply, perhaps video etc... |
| 04:17.36 | nerder | pav5088, no the fun looks ok, sensors return something like 44° looks fine |
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| 04:18.17 | nerder | i wanna do some test for leave out some things |
| 04:18.35 | pav5088 | nerder, and because it's an intermittent issue you will need to use statistics ie. work out how long it needs to work before the problem happens... or if you need to do things to make it happen eg. f it has a 99% chance of happening in 2 days |
| 04:18.42 | bbtech_ | I now have the newest version of fglrx driver installed and....I'm at square one.... Black screen and frozen boot (no blinking cursor) |
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| 04:19.00 | bbtech_ | Sad to spend all that time bringing myself back to the exact setup I had before ;-( |
| 04:19.13 | nerder | umm, there's something that you know for doing stress test? |
| 04:19.15 | bbtech_ | But I learned things so I guess that is good |
| 04:20.26 | pav5088 | nerder, there's something called the Ultimate Boot CD (not the windows version)... it's a bootable CD which has some stress tests, RAM tests and tests for other hardware components like HDD... it's good to have in your toolkit. |
| 04:21.07 | pav5088 | The CPU stress tests would get your CPU nice and hot perhaps. |
| 04:21.54 | pav5088 | ...but personally I'd use a CPU temp monitor before using a stress test. |
| 04:21.59 | nerder | something like hirens? (probably bad spelling ) |
| 04:24.07 | pav5088 | hirens isn't so good for eg. testing RAM... the UBCD has several very primitive emulated DOS floppy boots for testing such things. This would be impossible if booting a complex OS. |
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| 04:30.32 | jhutchins | Ive built a new system on a fairly recent Dell/Intell board, and it has the intel audio chipset. Everything works great, but the only sound I can get is if I unmute "mono", and then it's the internal PC speaker, not the external speakers. |
| 04:34.18 | bbtech_ | just discovered pastebinit |
| 04:34.20 | bbtech_ | :-) |
| 04:35.17 | bbtech_ | Here is the boot log for my box that freezes on boot: http://paste.debian.net/62115 |
| 04:35.19 | bbtech_ | suggestions? |
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| 04:37.38 | linux-fox | hi,all |
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| 04:37.50 | bbtech_ | abrotman: thanks for telling me about bootlogd, way easier than recording with my phone :-) |
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| 04:40.10 | bbtech_ | What is the best way to turn off a service that is loading on boot? |
| 04:40.29 | bbtech_ | I want to try disabling cupsd since that is the last item to load before the system freezes |
| 04:40.30 | jhutchins | rcconf, update-rc.d |
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| 04:41.58 | dvs | bbtech_: but it says that cupsd was OK. Try looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:42.09 | bbtech_ | dvs: ok |
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| 04:43.32 | bbtech_ | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/62116/ |
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| 04:44.25 | dvs | meh, I don't know anything about fglrxx |
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| 04:44.53 | bbtech_ | dvs: it looks like it is loading the driver 12.104 but it's supposed to be 13. |
| 04:45.08 | bbtech_ | ohhh the pain of getting this driver installed |
| 04:45.44 | bbtech_ | I think I read somewhere that someone had to remove xorg completely to remove fglrx |
| 04:46.04 | bbtech_ | so I guess that is my next step...try to remove it completlely including xorg and install again |
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| 05:01.01 | bbtech_ | I think for all of this trouble I could have just reinstalled from scratch and restored from backup quicker |
| 05:01.06 | bbtech_ | guess I will go that route tomorrow |
| 05:01.26 | bbtech_ | this stupid driver is not working |
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| 05:01.51 | bbtech_ | thanks for all the help everyone, tomorrow will go more smoothly :-) |
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| 05:31.00 | nerder | where i can find out libssl0.9.8 for amd64? |
| 05:32.35 | nerder | find it |
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| 05:34.50 | buu | nerder: in .. squeeze? |
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| 05:35.14 | buu | Or wheezy I guess |
| 05:38.07 | bbtech_ | yeah, I got my computer to boot |
| 05:38.35 | bbtech_ | I installed the latest fglrx driver 13. and then removed it and now it boots :-/ |
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| 05:39.01 | bbtech_ | I wonder what driver is being used? |
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| 05:43.16 | Leoneof | hello, i've all packages of wheezy 7.0 in a specified folder, how to update them to wheezy 7.2? apt-mirror? |
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| 06:24.20 | blast_hardcheese | I have suggests disabled in apt.conf.d, but suggests that are already installed are preserved. Is there a way to prune these as well? |
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| 06:43.17 | jrpalmer | I need to output strings of text in the form of xxxYYYYYYY where 'x' are variable lowercase alphabetical characters. I need to feed these into 'su' as an unprivileged user to gain root. How do I do this with the bash shell? |
| 06:43.27 | jrpalmer | 'Y' characters are known. |
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| 06:46.21 | blast_hardcheese | jrpalmer: http://superuser.com/questions/67765/sudo-with-password-in-one-command-line might help you |
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| 06:50.49 | jrpalmer | blast_hardcheese: That is the idea but I don't know the simple script magic to generate the aaa to zzz characters for the first three characters of the passphrase. |
| 06:51.15 | blast_hardcheese | jrpalmer: Why not just nest three for loops? |
| 06:51.17 | jrpalmer | I guess I cold read the man page and google around. But it doesn't matter to much. |
| 06:51.41 | jrpalmer | I don't know how. Last time I did something like that was with qbasic in highschool. |
| 06:51.51 | jrpalmer | :\ |
| 06:51.57 | jrpalmer | Yes I feel bad. |
| 06:52.12 | blast_hardcheese | The bash manpage is fairly long, but googling around would probably be a good place to start. I'd suggest "For loops in bash" or similar. |
| 06:52.33 | jrpalmer | Okay. If the admin isn't on by tomorrow morning I'll have a bunch of tabs opened looking into it. |
| 06:53.12 | blast_hardcheese | jrpalmer: Remember that {a..z} expands to "a b c d"..., that will probably help. |
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| 07:14.41 | jzk1 | Does apt support non-root usage? |
| 07:15.12 | bcd87 | what kind of usage? querying the package db and stuff can be done non-root |
| 07:15.24 | jzk1 | I just want to setup the typical posix hierarchy in my $HOME without any chroot or other funny business |
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| 07:15.41 | jzk1 | I mean installing packages, with deps |
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| 07:15.58 | jzk1 | and my own package tracking, all within my $HOME/.fiels |
| 07:16.03 | jzk1 | dot-files* |
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| 07:16.43 | bcd87 | haven't done it before, but if ownership and modes are setup right, you'd think it should work |
| 07:16.53 | bcd87 | but that's just a guess :) |
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| 07:17.42 | jzk1 | apt seems only to be geared as system-wide |
| 07:17.47 | jzk1 | IMO this is not very unix-foo. |
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| 07:19.06 | blast_hardcheese | jzk1: Quite the opposite, in fact. "the right tool for the job", right? Attempting to manage per-user configuration in a system-wide package database is not particularly useful. |
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| 07:19.37 | rendar | Xorg do not start anymore since when i did a dist-uprade, because nvidia drivers ant not found anymore..now i'm without Xorg on console..any clue on how i can fix this fast? |
| 07:19.42 | blast_hardcheese | Additionally, attempting to manage versions of debs for different configurations seems not particularly pleasant as well. |
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| 07:20.02 | blast_hardcheese | Plenty of people (including myself) use git (or other dvcs) to manage dotfiles |
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| 07:20.29 | blast_hardcheese | rendar: Are you on testing or sid now? |
| 07:20.40 | rendar | i'm wheezy now |
| 07:20.50 | rendar | so testing |
| 07:21.00 | blast_hardcheese | isn't jessie testing? |
| 07:21.13 | rendar | oh right, btw i'm wheezy :) |
| 07:21.15 | jzk1 | blast_hardcheese: No this isn't about managing dot files; I mean apt configuration could be local to a user, and then there could be a system-wide configuration like there is now. The age-old unix search paths for libs and binaries handle the rest |
| 07:21.21 | blast_hardcheese | Either way, just install whatever nvidia kernel modules match whatever kernel you're running. |
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| 07:21.55 | rendar | blast: ok, with apt-get? |
| 07:22.01 | jzk1 | blast_hardcheese: The point is on a proper unix system you don't have to be root to do basically anything, maybe bind to a lower port or install a kernel module. A user can do virtually anything, including setting up a entire mini system in their own $HOME |
| 07:22.04 | blast_hardcheese | rendar: yes |
| 07:22.22 | rendar | blast: apt-get install nvidia ? |
| 07:22.25 | blast_hardcheese | jzk1: I agree, being able to install binaries in $HOME would be pretty neat. |
| 07:22.51 | rendar | blast: sorry if i ask that, but i'm without a browser, and i can't check :( |
| 07:23.16 | blast_hardcheese | !tell rendar about nvidia |
| 07:23.43 | rendar | ok |
| 07:23.46 | blast_hardcheese | Also, |
| 07:23.49 | blast_hardcheese | !tell rendar about nvidia dkms |
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| 07:31.09 | bcd87 | jzk1: just did a quick test, if you give a normal user ownership on dpkg directories, it looks like you can install as a non-root user |
| 07:31.14 | bcd87 | got a download error though |
| 07:31.28 | jzk1 | bcd87: You mean the system-root dpkg directories? |
| 07:31.33 | bcd87 | don't have more time, but i think in a chroot environment it should be doable |
| 07:31.34 | bcd87 | yeah |
| 07:31.39 | bcd87 | have to go now :) bb |
| 07:31.51 | jzk1 | I'm just creating copies of those in my ~ :-D |
| 07:32.18 | jzk1 | I can't even install debootstrap to just make a system in my ~ :-/ |
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| 07:32.52 | Ritzton | Hello |
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| 07:34.10 | Ritzton | ssh is working with system users on my server, but is it possible to set up an access which can only go to a specific folder of one system user ? |
| 07:34.59 | rendar | blast: btw my problem is that i have drivers, but with 'modeprobe nvidia' it cant find them and cant load the module, i think i don't have to install anything at this point...i guess |
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| 07:47.36 | Ritzton | what about my question ? is it possible what I would like to do ? |
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| 07:52.13 | babilen | Ritzton: Look into the ChrootDirectory configuration option for OpenSSH and rssh |
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| 07:54.12 | babilen | Ritzton: Searching for the former should yield enough articles on how to use the built in functionality. Have a look at that as it is probably all you need/want. |
| 07:54.42 | mumpitze1 | but that would chroot all users, not just a specific one, no? |
| 07:55.03 | babilen | mumpitze1: No, you can match specific groups/users. |
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| 07:55.49 | mumpitze1 | neato |
| 07:56.03 | Ritzton | so basically I do have to create a new system user and to change his root directory ? |
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| 07:58.10 | babilen | Ritzton: It doesn't matter and you can chroot *into* the home directory if that is what you want. A sensible way if probably to create a groups, say, untrusted-bastards and configure openssh to chroot somewhere (either user specific like their home directory or a common one or whatnot) |
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| 07:59.54 | Ritzton | babilen> sorry but what doesn't matter ? |
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| 08:01.44 | babilen | Ritzton: If you create a new users or configure this for users who already have an account. There is no need for *one* special account that a number of people can then access. |
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| 08:02.18 | babilen | There are reasons to do it one way or another, but it really depends on what you want and what your needs are. |
| 08:02.33 | FreezingCold | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 08:02.33 | FreezingCold | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 08:02.33 | FreezingCold | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 08:02.38 | FreezingCold | Are those duplicates? |
| 08:02.42 | FreezingCold | I'm getting a error |
| 08:03.07 | FreezingCold | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 08:03.29 | Ritzton | babilen> I am doing a web project and I would like to give access to the template file to a friend and to jail it inside |
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| 08:04.28 | babilen | FreezingCold: Please don't paste into the channel, but use a pastebin service such as http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:04.46 | FreezingCold | babilen: heh, I thought three lines of copy paste wasn't that bad |
| 08:05.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell FreezingCold -about show sources.list |
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| 08:05.23 | FreezingCold | babilen: sorry, what? |
| 08:05.38 | babilen | FreezingCold: Please run the command our bot just told you about and paste that with the *entire* output of your "apt-get update" run along with that of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please :) |
| 08:05.58 | babilen | FreezingCold: You should have received a private message from our bot. |
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| 08:07.10 | FreezingCold | babilen: http://sprunge.us/ahgH |
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| 08:07.45 | babilen | FreezingCold: fwiw, you are also (intentionally?) missing wheezy-updates entries |
| 08:08.15 | babilen | FreezingCold: You have entries for security in both /etc/apt/sources.list.d/security.list and /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:09.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell FreezingCold -about wheezy-updates |
| 08:09.04 | FreezingCold | babilen: oh?which entries an I missing? |
| 08:09.52 | babilen | FreezingCold: Any particular reason why you don't enable "contrib non-free" for wheezy/updates too? You have, after all, enabled it for wheezy. |
| 08:09.54 | Konomi | anyone happen to know why a encrypted swapfile would freeze on an out of memory situation where a normal swap file does not? |
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| 08:10.17 | FreezingCold | babilen: isn't http://security.debian.org/ a different thing? |
| 08:10.55 | FreezingCold | babilen: mind just showing me what a "proper" config would look like? I followed the debootstrap guide and thought I had it set right |
| 08:11.11 | babilen | FreezingCold: A different thing from what? |
| 08:11.26 | FreezingCold | A different (sorry if the word is wrong), repo |
| 08:12.00 | babilen | FreezingCold: http://paste.debian.net/62147/ is a complete sources.list for wheezy that also contains wheezy-backports (it also uses a metamirror that automagically picks the "best" mirror for you) |
| 08:12.23 | babilen | FreezingCold: Yes, but in your current setup you can install packages from contrib, but you wouldn't get security updates. |
| 08:12.39 | FreezingCold | oh |
| 08:12.47 | babilen | FreezingCold: And wheezy-updates is very much a different repository from wheezy/updates (not sure what you were asking about) |
| 08:13.41 | FreezingCold | babilen: mind explaining how it's different? I came from Arch where we only need one line per repo really |
| 08:13.53 | FreezingCold | and I still get: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 08:14.58 | babilen | FreezingCold: You have two files in which you declare sources. One is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/security.list and the other /etc/apt/sources.list. You have duplicate entries in both. |
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| 08:16.10 | FreezingCold | ah I just commented out security in sources.list |
| 08:16.21 | babilen | FreezingCold: Yes, ARCH does things differently, but on Debian you use one line per repo just like on Arch. The difference is that specific repositories are used for different things. Security updates are uploaded to wheezy/updates (on security.debian.org) so you have to enable that if you want them. |
| 08:16.46 | babilen | FreezingCold: We sync those security updates with the "normal" repositories every now and then when we do a <point release> |
| 08:18.10 | babilen | FreezingCold: I would recommend to simply keep everything in /etc/apt/sources.list (or just use the sources.list I pasted earlier, it is all you need and IMHO better than using ftp.us.) as that saves you problems like this when you forget again that you do use /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/security.list |
| 08:18.34 | FreezingCold | babilen: thanks :) /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/security.list is there because I think I've correctly setup cron-apt to read off that |
| 08:18.57 | FreezingCold | cron-apt only install the security updates, as I don't use this machine often |
| 08:19.38 | babilen | Isn't that the default behaviour? I mean where would it get *non* security updates from? stable doesn't change (that's the whole meaning of stable in Debian) |
| 08:20.51 | FreezingCold | babilen: Followed something that set them to install, not only download :) |
| 08:21.32 | babilen | yeah, but the only software you can install are security updates and fixes for grave bugs anyway .. |
| 08:21.39 | babilen | dpkg: stable |
| 08:21.39 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.2); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 08:23.52 | FreezingCold | so.... my cron-apt does nothing? |
| 08:24.17 | babilen | It installs security updates and fixes for critical/grave bugs. |
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| 08:24.59 | babilen | FreezingCold: "stable" means "not changing" but we still make sure that security problems are fixed. |
| 08:25.14 | FreezingCold | oh okay so it's doing what I thought |
| 08:26.28 | babilen | Look at testing or unstable (in the "changing" sense) if you want a constantly changing system. (wouldn't recommend that for production systems) But I believe that you are fine now and that you actually want stable (just thought I'd mention it) |
| 08:26.50 | FreezingCold | thanks, I intentionally went with Debian because it's stable |
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| 08:27.06 | babilen | FreezingCold: Reading http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html might clarify things about the development processes in Debian and how stable, testing, unstable and experimental are used. |
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| 08:27.24 | babilen | FreezingCold: Wonderful, anything else that you need help with? :) |
| 08:28.47 | FreezingCold | babilen: actually not entirely debian related, but I was wondering if I can just copy paste .wine's across systems? |
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| 08:29.21 | babilen | nfc, I couldn't care less about wine. :) #winehq might know. |
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| 08:36.11 | nb-ben | does debian use Linux-libre? |
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| 08:38.06 | babilen | nb-ben: No, there is no need as the Debian kernel is already "free" since squeeze. |
| 08:38.29 | babilen | nb-ben: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 |
| 08:39.07 | babilen | ("free" just used for emphasis, don't interpret something into it) |
| 08:39.21 | babilen | s/"/*/ |
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| 09:03.04 | jmd | I'm trying to create a filesystem on a USB connected hard drive. |
| 09:03.28 | jmd | mkfs says "/dev/sdb is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" |
| 09:03.29 | blast_hardcheese | Sounds reasonable enough |
| 09:03.37 | jmd | Why does it think that? |
| 09:03.39 | FreezingCold | jmd: umount |
| 09:03.57 | jmd | According to mtab it is not mounted. |
| 09:04.09 | FreezingCold | jmd: mount | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 09:05.16 | jmd | WTF does that do? I don't have "curl" |
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| 09:05.43 | C00re | curl is like "wget" but little different |
| 09:05.53 | tremon | it pushes the output of mount to a pastebin (sprunge in this case) |
| 09:05.54 | jmd | umount /dev/sdb says: "umount: /dev/sdb: not mounted" which seems conclusive |
| 09:06.17 | tremon | it isn't, if there is a partition table now, /dev/sdb1 might be mounted |
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| 09:06.45 | jmd | mount | grep sdb shows nothing. |
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| 09:07.56 | [jasper] | hej guys, getting a lot of crc errors on my disk: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED |
| 09:08.09 | [jasper] | I'm suspecting the power supply...is there any way I could test this? |
| 09:08.14 | tremon | jmd: what's the output of grep sdb /proc/partitions? |
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| 09:09.00 | jmd | tremon: 8 16 156290904 sdb |
| 09:09.08 | FreezingCold | jmd: install curl |
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| 09:09.45 | FreezingCold | I want to see mount |
| 09:10.22 | jmd | FreezingCold: http://paste.debian.net/62157/ |
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| 09:11.00 | FreezingCold | jmd: dmesg |
| 09:11.10 | jmd | All of it? |
| 09:11.23 | FreezingCold | sure |
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| 09:12.03 | Katzenhund | hello, from yesterday to today my debian boots into a black screen instead of gdm. can't go from there into a shell, but ssh works, system shuts down gracefully on power button pressed and I have not found anything obvious in /var/log/messages |
| 09:12.28 | tremon | jmd: ah, is /dev/sdb an lvm phyical volume perhaps? try blkid /dev/sdb or pvdisplay /dev/sdb |
| 09:12.53 | [jasper] | is there anyone who can give me a hand with these errors: http://pastebin.com/aWS4bUnT ? |
| 09:13.22 | Katzenhund | if gdm3 doesn't autostart, it works fine in text mode, but as soon as i start gdm3, the screen is black and the keyboard is dead. |
| 09:13.28 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.28 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:15.07 | tremon | [jasper]: sadly, many monitors produce that kind of errors. There is a kernel command line option to ignore such errors, the kernel gets quite spammy. The ATA bus errors can mean anything, e.g. faulty wiring, faulty power supply, faulty disk or faulty (motherboard) controller |
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| 09:15.11 | jmd | FreezingCold: http://paste.debian.net/62159/ |
| 09:15.39 | FreezingCold | jmd: [ 7534.444544] sdb: unknown partition table |
| 09:15.41 | [jasper] | ok tremon but I'm not really happy with this since it's new hardware |
| 09:15.51 | [jasper] | so I would like to find the cause of the issue |
| 09:16.06 | jmd | FreezingCold: Sure. There is no partition table. So what? |
| 09:16.17 | FreezingCold | jmd: mkfs probably wants a partition table. |
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| 09:16.27 | jmd | Well it shouldn't do. |
| 09:16.37 | FreezingCold | jmd: try creating one and then report back |
| 09:16.52 | tremon | no, mkfs on a raw disk should work. I don't see why the kernel would lock the disk |
| 09:17.15 | FreezingCold | tremon: somehow /dev/sdb is being used. If he creates /dev/sdb1, it might not be used |
| 09:17.17 | FreezingCold | see the logic? |
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| 09:17.31 | [jasper] | also getting a high rate of crc errors reported on the disk tremon |
| 09:17.41 | tremon | FreezingCold: no. If /dev/sdb is in use now, the kernel will not parse the partition table until after reboot |
| 09:17.51 | [jasper] | 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 31 |
| 09:18.10 | tremon | jmd: if you're absolutely certain there is nothing important on the disk right now, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4k count=1, sync then disconnect and reconnect the disk |
| 09:18.31 | jmd | In fact, mkfs does ask me to confirm if I want to write the entire device. |
| 09:18.44 | tremon | you might want to save the first four kb in a file first, just in case |
| 09:19.03 | jmd | Its a brand new disk. |
| 09:19.38 | tremon | weird. I've formatted usb disks like that before, and I've never had a message telling me the disk is in use |
| 09:19.45 | jmd | I'll try dd |
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| 09:20.11 | tremon | maybe mtab is out of date? grep sdb /etc/mtab |
| 09:20.30 | jmd | tremon: Nothing. |
| 09:21.23 | jmd | dd worked. Although it was suspiciously quick. |
| 09:21.27 | Walex | tremon: sometimes 'udev' setups DM on every new device. |
| 09:21.29 | tremon | [jasper]: the crc errors are controller errors. The only way to find the real error is to switch out components and retest |
| 09:21.55 | FreezingCold | jmd: any reason you aren't giving any partitions? |
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| 09:22.33 | jmd | Not really. Except that I have no need for one. I want to use the entire disk. |
| 09:23.25 | Katzenhund | hmm, there is something odd. |
| 09:24.09 | Katzenhund | the mouse is detected again and again and again in /var/log/messages |
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| 09:26.14 | tremon | Katzenhund: usb? do you have other high-power devices on the same bus, like an usb disk? |
| 09:26.29 | Katzenhund | only a keyboard. |
| 09:26.37 | Katzenhund | uh, but wait, a tv device. |
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| 09:27.05 | Katzenhund | no, it's not on |
| 09:27.18 | Katzenhund | i mean, not plugged in |
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| 09:27.36 | Malachi | dd is the nuclear option |
| 09:28.30 | Katzenhund | i have stopped gdm3 via ssh, but i |
| 09:28.35 | tremon | Katzenhund: well it's either a problem with the mouse, the usb controller or the number of devices connected (or a driver problem). Disconnecting devices is the only one that's easy to test |
| 09:28.43 | Katzenhund | 'm still in black screen |
| 09:28.49 | Katzenhund | yes, I'll do |
| 09:29.03 | [jasper] | just switched out the data cable tremon |
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| 09:29.10 | [jasper] | could it be a power supply not providing enough power? |
| 09:29.50 | tremon | [jasper]: it can, but that's the least likely option in my view. Unless you have a severely underpowered system |
| 09:31.15 | [jasper] | 200 watt power supply tremon |
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| 09:31.28 | [jasper] | with a haswell board...lower power cpu... 1sdd and 2hdd's |
| 09:31.35 | [jasper] | should be fine right? |
| 09:32.41 | tremon | yes, should be fine unless the power supply is of very low quality. I've run a similar system (via epia) on 150W, and my nas runs 4 disks on 80W |
| 09:33.04 | Katzenhund | no usb, still doesn't work when i start gdm3 from ssh |
| 09:33.17 | Katzenhund | damn. haven't changed anything! |
| 09:33.33 | Katzenhund | well, wait. |
| 09:33.52 | blast_hardcheese | How does one see what key a deb is signed with? |
| 09:33.53 | tremon | Katzenhund: you asked only about mouse being detected, you didn't mention anything about gdm3 |
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| 09:34.23 | Katzenhund | tremon: my initial problem was about gdm3 |
| 09:34.37 | Katzenhund | I was just giving anything which struck me odd. |
| 09:34.52 | tremon | Katzenhund: I see, it's further in the scrollback |
| 09:34.59 | Katzenhund | yesterday, I powered down once by going into sleep mode |
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| 09:35.38 | Katzenhund | then recovered and, AFAIR, made a normal shutdown before going to bed |
| 09:35.47 | tremon | Katzenhund: what graphics device? |
| 09:36.01 | Katzenhund | ATI something, 56xx. |
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| 09:36.31 | Katzenhund | with ATI driver |
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| 09:37.07 | tremon | Katzenhund: then the obvious first question would be to blacklist the fglrx driver and try again with the open source driver |
| 09:38.18 | Katzenhund | nope |
| 09:38.46 | Katzenhund | because when i boot with 2.6, I don't have that driver and it doesnt work either |
| 09:38.46 | tremon | Katzenhund: "nope" as in won't try, or have tried and didn't work? |
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| 09:39.30 | tremon | can you paste both /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 09:39.35 | jmd | Ok, So I'll give up and try putting a partition on this disk. how Do I go about that? |
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| 09:39.58 | Katzenhund | http://pastebin.com/YkmtkBb2 |
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| 09:40.21 | Katzenhund | thats tail /var/log/messages |
| 09:40.44 | tremon | that I didn't ask for :) |
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| 09:41.34 | cheasee | hi |
| 09:41.48 | Leoneof | hi |
| 09:41.50 | Katzenhund | tremon: yess, but i had it pasted before you asked |
| 09:41.58 | cheasee | im running jessie and got following dependency problem: enigmail : Breaks: icedove (> 14.0~pre0) but 17.0.9-2 is installed. |
| 09:42.15 | Katzenhund | tremon: is there a cli-way to copy a log into the clipboard? |
| 09:42.17 | cheasee | any ideas why this happens? i guess somehow version check fails? |
| 09:42.27 | tremon | Katzenhund: btw if you want to try with the open driver, you need to have firmware-linux-nonfree installed otherwise display initialization will fail. |
| 09:42.37 | tremon | Katzenhund: there is pastebinit iirc |
| 09:43.10 | tremon | !tell Katzenhund about nopaste |
| 09:43.18 | Katzenhund | ? |
| 09:43.29 | tremon | check pm from dpkg |
| 09:43.30 | cheasee | Katzenhund, tremon: http://sprunge.us |
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| 09:44.09 | Katzenhund | tremon: saw it |
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| 09:44.24 | Katzenhund | great, wants to install 37 new packages ;-) |
| 09:44.57 | Ritzton | I have installed pure-ftpd-mysql on debian squeeze and I have set up everything but I don't understand why each time login fails, is there any place where I could see debug log to know the problem ? |
| 09:45.41 | cheasee | Ritzton: http://www.faqforge.com/linux/controlpanels/ispconfig3/how-to-enable-debugging-in-pure-ftpd-on-debian-linux/ ;) |
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| 09:46.26 | tremon | cheasee: paste the output of apt-cache policy enigmail icedove |
| 09:47.23 | cheasee | http://sprunge.us/SJSd |
| 09:49.05 | Katzenhund | http://paste.debian.net/62170/ |
| 09:49.06 | Ritzton | " [ERROR] Unable to start a standalone server: [Address already in use] " ? |
| 09:49.18 | tremon | cheasee: enigmail 1.5 is in unstable but is not yet migrated to testing, that version should work with icedove 17 |
| 09:49.49 | jmd | ok. So I have create a partition, and mke2fs thinks that /dev/sdb1 is also in use. What's going on? |
| 09:50.00 | cheasee | Ritzton: check: sudo netstat -tlpn for already running process of pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 09:50.57 | cheasee | tremon: ok? should i install it manually via dpkg to "avoid" aptitude check/problem ? |
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| 09:51.34 | Ritzton | cheasee> how can I stop those process ? |
| 09:51.42 | Katzenhund | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/62171/ (xorg.conf) |
| 09:52.06 | tremon | cheasee: that's one option, you can also set APT::Default-Release "jessie" and then add unstable to your sources.list |
| 09:52.19 | tremon | in that order |
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| 09:52.30 | cheasee | jmd, check with "mount" to see mounted file systems, there you should see already mounted /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:53.12 | jmd | cheasee: Didn't we already do that 3 mins ago? |
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| 09:53.21 | cheasee | tremon: where/how do i set that option? |
| 09:53.33 | tremon | jmd: I have no clue, really. doesn't mkfs have a --force option? |
| 09:53.52 | jmd | It has a -F but that doesn't help. |
| 09:54.11 | cheasee | jmd: sorry i just joined :) |
| 09:54.15 | Katzenhund | I'm not sure whether I'd EVER wanted to call mkfs with somewhat like force. |
| 09:54.19 | tremon | cheasee: somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/, create a new with that line or add it to an existing file (add a semicolon at the end of the line) |
| 09:54.41 | cheasee | ah ok, thanks ill try that |
| 09:54.58 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.59 | jmd | mke2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) |
| 09:54.59 | jmd | /dev/sdc1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
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| 09:55.52 | Ritzton | cheasee> ok I have kill pure-ftp process but I don't understand why doing /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql stop there was still a process running |
| 09:56.32 | cheasee | Ritzton: dunno, shouldnt be the case |
| 09:56.33 | tremon | jmd: http://superuser.com/questions/447462/disk-is-apparently-in-use-by-the-system |
| 09:56.58 | tremon | see if that helps (the dmsetup remove command) |
| 09:57.25 | cheasee | haha device mapper |
| 09:57.26 | cheasee | true |
| 09:57.30 | the__Dreamer | tremon, can't he use gparted? |
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| 09:57.55 | tremon | the__Dreamer: I can't answer that. You'd have to ask him directly |
| 09:58.57 | the__Dreamer | tremon, I mean wouldn't it work for what he is trying to do |
| 09:59.07 | jmd | tremon: Thanks for the pointer. |
| 09:59.20 | tremon | the__Dreamer: he's trying to format a new usb disk |
| 09:59.34 | the__Dreamer | tremon, gparted can do that |
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| 10:00.42 | tremon | then I'm sure he can, but I would expect gparted to call mkfs. And since mkfs refuses to comply, I expect gparted to fail similarly |
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| 10:01.17 | the__Dreamer | tremon, gparted has an unmount feature too, which would allow it |
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| 10:01.41 | jmd | But it is not mounted. |
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| 10:01.54 | the__Dreamer | jmd, if the system is using it, it must be |
| 10:02.04 | cheasee | tremon: just add unstable to sources.list or replace testing? |
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| 10:02.10 | jmd | Believe me. It isn't |
| 10:02.13 | tremon | cheasee: add |
| 10:02.17 | cheasee | ok |
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| 10:03.14 | tremon | cheasee: then you may need to be explicit when installing, e.g. apt-get install enigmail/sid, otherwise apt will still pick the wrong version |
| 10:03.16 | FreezingCold | to install wine-mono I just need to install mono-runtime right? |
| 10:03.23 | the__Dreamer | jmd, if you use gparted it will tell you if anything is holding up your ability to format it |
| 10:04.01 | jmd | parted said it was ok. I'll try gparted |
| 10:04.11 | FreezingCold | jmd: lol still on this issue? |
| 10:04.27 | Katzenhund | tremon: is there anything in the pastes? |
| 10:04.56 | jmd | FreezingCold: Yeah. Except that not only can raw disks not be formated, partions can't either. |
| 10:05.02 | tremon | Katzenhund: not in the Xorg.log, I missed the second paste, hang on |
| 10:05.09 | Katzenhund | FreezingCold: sometimes it is the small things which drives us nuts |
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| 10:05.41 | Katzenhund | like that mouse speed issue I had some month ago... |
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| 10:06.19 | FreezingCold | jmd: this isn't a proper fix, but maybe put a LUKS on the drive, mount it through the mapper and then try formatting the mapper |
| 10:06.44 | cheasee | tremon: yep, that worked, nice! thanks |
| 10:07.31 | cheasee | serious bugs of enigmail (→ 2:1.5.1+id17-4) <Outstanding> #726517 - enigmail: uninstallable in jessie due to FTBFS |
| 10:07.34 | tremon | cheasee: just to be sure, can you paste the output of apt-cache policy? I want to be sure you don't end up migrating to unstable next time you upgrade |
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| 10:07.42 | cheasee | however, it installed and it works :) |
| 10:08.26 | cheasee | tremon: http://sprunge.us/jFIX |
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| 10:08.28 | tremon | Katzenhund: nothing interesting in your Xorg.conf either. There's no indication of anything going wrong |
| 10:08.32 | the__Dreamer | tremon, I have been running sid for a while, its really not that dangerou |
| 10:08.33 | the__Dreamer | s |
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| 10:08.36 | jmd | the__Dreamer: OK. How does gparted tell me what is wrong? |
| 10:08.53 | tremon | cheasee: looks fine. thx |
| 10:08.55 | jmd | Oh nm |
| 10:09.07 | cheasee | tremon: cool thanks :) |
| 10:09.16 | the__Dreamer | jmd, when you chose the usb drive and chose format, and try to format, what does it say? |
| 10:09.17 | jmd | You said it'll tell me IF anything is wrong. Well I know that. |
| 10:09.27 | Katzenhund | tremon: well, obviously something IS wrong ;-). what about that sleep mode trail I mentioned earlier? |
| 10:09.41 | Katzenhund | it is the only thing that went different from my routine |
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| 10:09.53 | jmd | the__Dreamer: Well it says the same as mkfs (as we expected) |
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| 10:10.04 | Katzenhund | maybe there is just some file that can be deletet or whatever |
| 10:10.11 | Katzenhund | deleted. |
| 10:10.12 | the__Dreamer | jmd, does it have an unmount option in the list? |
| 10:10.22 | tremon | the__Dreamer: I know, but there's a huge difference between running sid by choice and ending up with sid because you followed someone's advice on irc on a non-related issue |
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| 10:10.29 | jmd | the__Dreamer: Of course not. It isn't mounted. |
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| 10:10.57 | Ritzton | how can I know it is not possible for a ftp user to execute any program on my server ? |
| 10:10.58 | tremon | jmd: can you paste ls -l /dev/sdb* and dmsetup ls? |
| 10:11.00 | the__Dreamer | jmd, what is the exact error that it says? |
| 10:11.04 | Katzenhund | jmd, tremon: have you checked on md by the way? |
| 10:11.26 | Katzenhund | I had that problem once. |
| 10:11.49 | jmd | the__Dreamer: mke2fs /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:11.49 | jmd | mke2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) |
| 10:11.49 | jmd | /dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 10:11.49 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.13 | jmd | 2 lines == flood !!!! ? |
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| 10:12.24 | cheasee | jmd, did you check that lsof command from the link tremor told you? |
| 10:12.30 | jmd | moment... |
| 10:12.34 | cheasee | (it were 4 lines) |
| 10:13.11 | the__Dreamer | jmd, you are not telling me what gparted said, because you do not use mke2fs /dev/sdb1 in gparted |
| 10:13.17 | tremon | jmd: we have pastebins for a reason |
| 10:13.45 | jmd | the__Dreamer: gparted calls mk2fs |
| 10:13.53 | cheasee | jmd: or did you try: dmsetup ls |
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| 10:14.09 | the__Dreamer | jmd, so you did not use gparted? |
| 10:14.24 | cheasee | jmd: if its not mounted but in use, it could be indeed device-mapper |
| 10:14.34 | cheasee | or some sort of |
| 10:14.51 | jmd | the__Dreamer: Yes I did. |
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| 10:15.07 | cheasee | using truecrypt ? luks? lvm? anythings like that? |
| 10:15.10 | jmd | cheasee: Well I think it must be something to do with the devicemapper. |
| 10:16.19 | Ritzton | cheasee> how can I know it is not possible for a ftp user to execute any program on my server ? |
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| 10:17.05 | jmd | cheasee: http://paste.debian.net/62176/ |
| 10:17.34 | jmd | tremon: Insisting that 2 lines go through a pastebin is petty. |
| 10:18.02 | tremon | jmd: yes, debhelper draws the line at five |
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| 10:18.31 | cheasee | jmd: there you got it, device mapper in action :) |
| 10:19.09 | cheasee | jmd: dmsetup info debian-root |
| 10:19.10 | jmd | cheasee: I don't see why it should stop me putting a filesystem on a disk? |
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| 10:19.38 | Katzenhund | because you want to put it on the full disk |
| 10:20.02 | Katzenhund | and doing so would kill anything dm wants to do with it |
| 10:20.06 | Katzenhund | I suppose. |
| 10:20.14 | jmd | Katzenhund: Well I tried on a partition too, and that didn't work either. |
| 10:20.19 | tremon | jmd: your disk has been converted to a mapped device. That's why the kernel thinks it's in use |
| 10:20.29 | cheasee | Ritzton: not sure how i should understand your question? |
| 10:20.52 | jmd | tremon: So far as I'm aware, only /dev/sda is in use by the mapper |
| 10:21.11 | jmd | At least that was my intention. |
| 10:21.31 | Katzenhund | jmd: have you checked on md as well? |
| 10:21.34 | tremon | jmd: your paste says otherwise, check ls -l /dev/sd[ab]* and see which device is 254:6 |
| 10:22.04 | tremon | oh wait, those are all dm numbers |
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| 10:22.15 | tremon | check dmsetup info 1Generic_External |
| 10:23.02 | jmd | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/62179/ |
| 10:23.10 | jmd | Now I'm getting out of my depth. |
| 10:23.14 | Ritzton | cheasee> I mean with ftp connexion, it is not possible to execute any binaries ? |
| 10:23.22 | jmd | How can I tell which is 254:6 |
| 10:23.43 | tremon | jmd. Gah. check dmsetup deps 1Generic_External |
| 10:24.03 | tremon | they should rename device mapper to device maze |
| 10:24.11 | jmd | 1 dependencies : (8, 16) |
| 10:24.22 | cheasee | Ritzton: there is a package pure-uploadscript - might be what you are looking for? |
| 10:24.23 | tremon | jmd: 8,16 is /dev/sdb |
| 10:24.24 | jmd | (phew! didn't get kicked!) |
| 10:25.25 | tremon | jmd: now, dmsetup remove 1Generic_External and retry mkfs /dev/sdb |
| 10:25.27 | Ritzton | cheasee> not really I just want to make sure it is not possible :-) |
| 10:25.55 | cheasee | Ritzton: no, by default thats not possible afaik |
| 10:26.23 | Ritzton | cheasee> ok thank you for the informations |
| 10:27.22 | jmd | tremon: No change :( |
| 10:27.23 | cheasee | Ritzton: but you should also not run it as root and give it the least needed permissions |
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| 10:28.54 | Katzenhund | tremon: if I stop gdm3 from ssh, the screen stays black and the keyboard dead. |
| 10:29.20 | tremon | jmd: wtf. but dmsetup ls no longer lists the generic device, right? |
| 10:29.21 | Katzenhund | well, what a f. reinstall? |
| 10:29.32 | jmd | Oh wait. Now its working! |
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| 10:30.20 | jmd | For some reason the dmsetup remove seemed not to work the first time around. |
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| 10:30.52 | tremon | Katzenhund: with fglrx in the picture, there is nothing else I can think of to try. It's just too much of an unknown factor |
| 10:31.34 | jmd | Now if made a filesystem on /dev/sdb - Thanks for your help guys. |
| 10:31.59 | jmd | (Now I have to try to understand what dmsetup does!) |
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| 10:32.09 | nullbyte_ | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 10:32.16 | nullbyte_ | is that a correct? |
| 10:32.28 | nullbyte_ | becouse i got W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.15.34 80] |
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| 10:32.42 | the__Dreamer | jmd http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/dmsetup.8.html |
| 10:33.01 | cheasee | nullbyte_: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 10:33.17 | nullbyte_ | cheasee: they are followed |
| 10:33.31 | nullbyte_ | and that is why i am here |
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| 10:33.44 | tremon | jmd: dmsetup is the low-level kernel tool to manage device abstractions. DM is the layer under luks and lvm. Apparently, some systems have hooks that auto-setup dm on new devices |
| 10:34.15 | cheasee | nullbyte_: For wheezy add this line |
| 10:34.17 | cheasee | deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 10:34.32 | jmd | Ahh shucks. I mount the damn thing now! |
| 10:34.41 | eugenmayer | Good morning. Iam using the /etc/security/limits.d/my.conf approach to leverage the stack limit (hard and soft) for *, root and a other user - but it does not work, means if i restart, e.g. the www-data user runs under the old limits. if i restart the service, it works. In addition, root has always the old limits. In my case iam trying to have php-fpm and cli running with a higher stack |
| 10:34.43 | cheasee | ah wrong sry |
| 10:35.10 | jmd | <jmd> 1 dependencies : (8, 16) |
| 10:35.11 | jmd | <cheasee> Ritzton: there is a package pure-uploadscript - might be what you |
| 10:35.11 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.11 | jmd | <tremon> jmd: 8,16 is /dev/sdb |
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| 10:35.49 | nullbyte_ | who knows? |
| 10:36.05 | cheasee | no its right it seems, i didnt use backports for a while.. |
| 10:36.07 | tremon | nullbyte_: you did not follow the instructions there |
| 10:36.19 | nullbyte_ | ? |
| 10:36.26 | cheasee | nullbyte_: you added http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports |
| 10:36.35 | cheasee | you need: deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 10:36.45 | nullbyte_ | aa |
| 10:36.46 | cheasee | eg: deb http://cdn.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 10:39.58 | nullbyte_ | cheasee: yes but i agin got err |
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| 10:40.01 | nullbyte_ | cheasee: W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 406 Not Acceptable [IP: 140.211.15.34 80] |
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| 10:40.43 | cheasee | nullbyte_: did you run aptitude update or apt-get update after modifying sources.list ? |
| 10:40.59 | nullbyte_ | yes |
| 10:41.07 | Katzenhund | tremon: any idea how to fix my system without reinstalling? |
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| 10:41.33 | Katzenhund | what would you propose as the core packages of x to remove? |
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| 10:42.05 | jmd | Sorry about that. Clipboard mis-behaved. |
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| 10:42.44 | cheasee | nullbyte_: pls pastebin: grep backports /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:43.38 | tremon | Katzenhund: purge fglrx, make sure firmware-linux-nonfree and xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed. Or maybe try a livecd (debian or other), to make sure it's not a hardware issue |
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| 10:43.56 | nullbyte_ | cheasee: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 10:44.34 | Katzenhund | tremon: windows boots, so it can't be hardware |
| 10:44.54 | Katzenhund | I took the driver from ATI, not debian |
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| 10:45.18 | Katzenhund | and the kernel without the ATI driver shows the same behaviour |
| 10:45.32 | Katzenhund | I'm about to purge x.# |
| 10:45.35 | jmd | It seems that I have to do dmsetup remove 1Generic_External after every time I insert remove a USB device!! |
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| 10:45.57 | Leoneof | i've been playing with kuser about group/admin...etc, is there a way to restore to default settings? :) |
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| 10:47.34 | tremon | jmd: walex mentioned this behaviour earlier, I've never seen it before. Probably there's udev hook on your system that does this, you'll have to hunt it down and kill it. Start with grep -r dmsetup /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 10:47.52 | nullbyte_ | cheasee: not possible.. but it's trye |
| 10:48.13 | tremon | Katzenhund: I have no other options for you to try, other than maybe re-running aticonfig. But I don't expect it to make a difference |
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| 10:48.26 | jmd | tremon: Ok. I'll hunt it down later. |
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| 10:50.41 | cheasee | nullbyte_: do you edit sources.list as root ? |
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| 10:50.57 | cheasee | or do you use sudo? |
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| 10:52.23 | tremon | nullbyte_: check also /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 10:53.33 | anonfriese | hi guys |
| 10:54.30 | anonfriese | im currently managing some (about 20-30) debian servers at work (squeeze and wheezy) and im slowly starting to look at some centralised management |
| 10:54.57 | anonfriese | mostly about packages, e.g. getting security updates mostly automated or mass-installation of packages etc. |
| 10:55.00 | Katzenhund | tremon: well, there is a slight improvement after I did what you said |
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| 10:55.58 | anonfriese | any of you have any recommendations which software or method is useful? So far i looked into m23, which feature-wise i really like, only the interface is often unresponsive and it looks a little outdated... |
| 10:56.20 | Katzenhund | tremon: now it has a blinking cursor after gdm3/x is started and I can go to the shell with <ctrl>+<alt>+<F1> |
| 10:56.21 | anonfriese | currently im using some scripts together with ssh, but thats not really comfortable solution... |
| 10:56.22 | babilen | anonfriese: ansible, puppet, chef, saltstack |
| 10:56.55 | babilen | anonfriese: well, salt second if you want them ordered |
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| 10:57.23 | anonfriese | ah thanks for the suggestions, ansible and saltstack i never heard of. chef & puppet seem to be mostly used for config-files (as far as i understood), how good can it work together with apt? |
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| 10:59.17 | FreezingCold | Having a weird problem, lp seems to work, but lpr says unknown printer |
| 10:59.25 | FreezingCold | I need lpr for iwne |
| 10:59.26 | FreezingCold | *wine |
| 10:59.44 | tremon | Katzenhund: well at least that's something. But without obvious errors in the X log there's nothing to go on. Have you tried all tty's from f1 to f8? |
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| 10:59.53 | the__Dreamer | lpr=line printer |
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| 11:00.01 | FreezingCold | the__Dreamer: right? |
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| 11:00.53 | Katzenhund | tremon: it works again? o_O? |
| 11:00.53 | FreezingCold | the__Dreamer: In installed lpr for Office 2010 |
| 11:01.24 | the__Dreamer | FreezingCold, you got ms ofc 2010 to work with wine? |
| 11:01.30 | Katzenhund | I made what you said, but as I said, only blinking cursor |
| 11:01.53 | Katzenhund | but all tty's accessible (well, 1-6) |
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| 11:02.09 | Katzenhund | now I made dpkg --purge xserver-xorg and it works? |
| 11:02.11 | FreezingCold | the__Dreamer: yeah it works in near default settings (I had to install winbind on Debian, not on arch though) |
| 11:02.24 | Katzenhund | resolution is broken, but it works. |
| 11:02.25 | klys | I have a chroot of unstable (with /proc, /sys, and /dev corrections), and just added deb [i386,amd64] ... to my main line in /etc/apt/sources.list (read: man sources.list). I would now like to `apt-cache show libc6' [amd64?], or `apt-get install libc6:amd64'. packages.debian.org / sid has an entry for libc6:amd64, though after doing `apt-get update' where it downloads amd64 lists, I don't appear to within chroot. |
| 11:02.37 | tremon | Katzenhund: there you go. No diagnosis, no cure, no problem. It's almost like running windows ;) |
| 11:02.46 | themill | dpkg: tell klys about multiarch howto |
| 11:03.10 | tremon | klys: don't use that notation, it's old and incorrect for debian |
| 11:03.29 | Katzenhund | tremon: well, with windows it usually helps to reboot, if it doesn't, show him a linxux cd and then it will work. |
| 11:04.14 | Katzenhund | but to be honest, I've got about 50 windows clients and they all run fine |
| 11:04.34 | Katzenhund | most problems are related to either hardware or malware. |
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| 11:06.04 | Katzenhund | but tremon : why do I get a working x after doing dpkg --purge xserver-xorg without reinstalling it? |
| 11:06.43 | the__Dreamer | Katzenhund, is nouveau installed? |
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| 11:07.08 | tremon | Katzenhund: xserver-xorg is only a metapackage, it has some docs but the actual program is in xserver-xorg-core and the various -video and -input drivers |
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| 11:07.38 | tremon | so the question is more why purging it had any effect at all, not why it works now |
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| 11:08.36 | tremon | unless the X symlink was broken somehow, and the system is now falling back to running /usr/bin/Xorg directly |
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| 11:09.38 | Katzenhund | well, I think I'll skip that question, for I'll have great fun figuring out how to get my dual screen environment working again anyway |
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| 11:10.37 | Katzenhund | it was a pain in the ... to get it working back then. |
| 11:10.43 | FreezingCold | okay, so I install cups-bsd and now lpr doesn't complain, but wine still doesn't work |
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| 11:12.08 | Katzenhund | well, tremon and the rest of the crew, thanks for helping me out |
| 11:13.30 | Katzenhund | the__Dreamer: what was that about noveau, btw? |
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| 11:14.14 | the__Dreamer | Katzenhund, noveau is a default video driver |
| 11:14.23 | the__Dreamer | nouveau* |
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| 11:15.05 | Katzenhund | the__Dreamer: ok, thanks. |
| 11:15.11 | Katzenhund | it is installed. |
| 11:15.47 | FreezingCold | so now lpr can print |
| 11:15.49 | the__Dreamer | Katzenhund, if you change video drivers, there are warnings to blacklist nouveau, but I have not figured that out yet |
| 11:16.18 | Katzenhund | tremon: would yo be so kind as to give me the pastebin urls I inserted here? |
| 11:16.37 | Katzenhund | I'' |
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| 11:16.56 | Katzenhund | I'm on a netbook and things are a little bit uncomfortable here. |
| 11:17.18 | Katzenhund | the__Dreamer: thanks. |
| 11:19.12 | tremon | Katzenhund: http://paste.debian.net/62170/ and http://paste.debian.net/62171/ |
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| 11:21.37 | Katzenhund | tremon: thank you again. bye! |
| 11:22.13 | mumpitze1 | tho, the ecs k7s5a was great :) |
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| 11:23.02 | FreezingCold | oh well libwine-print wasn't installed |
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| 11:23.19 | FreezingCold | ah HA!!!! |
| 11:23.44 | FreezingCold | printing works now :) |
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| 11:34.42 | jmd | My next job today is to upgrade a machine from 6.0.7 to 7.2 - any special things I should be aware of ? |
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| 11:39.09 | tremon | jmd: just the regular http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html . Pay special attention to gnome3 and ia32-libs |
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| 11:58.21 | giuscri | I can compile and run programs written in Java though I cannot run applet from Chromium |
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| 11:59.08 | giuscri | Following instructions here (http://java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#enable) I need to find the `<Java installation directory>' |
| 11:59.30 | jmd | starts a squeeze -> wheezy upgrade |
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| 12:00.46 | giuscri | though typing `find / -name "java" -type d' I have found no directories that contain `./lib/i386/libpjp2.so' --as the above link says. |
| 12:00.53 | giuscri | Any suggestion?... |
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| 12:03.32 | mumpitze1 | !tell giuscri about java plugin |
| 12:04.06 | giuscri | mumpitze1: thank you man |
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| 12:10.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | I got the archive keys securely and debootstrapped a Wheezy. How do I get to the CD image signing keys securely? I installed debian-keyring but I don't get the keys in 'apt-key fingerprint' |
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| 12:12.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/debian-keyring/filelist doesn't show anything like it either, though I should run gpg -k on those and look. |
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| 12:19.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, it's in the role keys keyring file. |
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| 12:42.50 | mrdeb | can u remove openbox-themes from openbox in repo please |
| 12:42.54 | mrdeb | have it separate |
| 12:43.01 | boudiccas_ | when generasting a new gpg-key on wheezy, i get this popup - 'gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use' - and then the key that is generated is unusable to sign emails. should i report it as a bug please? |
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| 12:43.36 | mumpitze1 | mrdeb: file a wishlist bug |
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| 12:44.08 | mrdeb | i have to remove it always |
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| 12:48.51 | KBme | hello |
| 12:49.04 | KBme | can anyone tell me how I can list all packages provided by a repository? |
| 12:49.33 | KBme | i'm not asking about installed packages, rather all available packages |
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| 12:50.48 | mumpitze1 | KBme: read the packages.gz file |
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| 12:51.11 | KBme | mumpitze1, can you remind me where those are stored? |
| 12:51.34 | mumpitze1 | on the repository server |
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| 12:51.50 | KBme | mumpitze1, oh? apt-get update doesn't download those? |
| 12:52.04 | mumpitze1 | it does. that's what apt-get update does |
| 12:52.16 | KBme | so then it's surely stored locally somewhere? |
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| 12:55.18 | KBme | no it's not. great. |
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| 13:00.46 | poffpoffpass | i386 or ia64 whats the advantage? |
| 13:00.57 | poffpoffpass | does i386 offer more supported binaries? |
| 13:01.51 | bezaban | you probably want amd64 or i386 and. If your hardware supports 64bit, do that |
| 13:02.37 | poffpoffpass | ok |
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| 13:02.51 | jzk1 | you probably dont have an ia64 |
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| 13:02.57 | bezaban | ia64 is for itanium |
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| 13:07.01 | Jaken | Hello, How can I broadcast audio on Linux? I'd like to broadcast a music-track. |
| 13:07.38 | jmd | Jaken: Turn the speaker volume up, and click the play button. |
| 13:08.01 | Jaken | lol |
| 13:08.06 | Jaken | jmd: I am being serious. |
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| 13:09.14 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 13:13.31 | jmd | Jaken: I am not an expert, but I think icecast is what you are looking for. |
| 13:14.06 | ShapeShifter499 | I so want to run debian on my android tablet but I'm wondering which method is the fastest possible? I know of the debian chroot method (seemed slow when I tried it) but I've also came across others like the android chroot method (I haven't tested it) noted here: http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian |
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| 13:14.55 | ShapeShifter499 | how would you guys run debian on a android device? |
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| 13:28.26 | KBme | is it possible to print what Package.gz files will be downloaded by apt-get update? |
| 13:29.00 | KBme | ah, --print-uris |
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| 13:33.21 | eth0ghost | Morning all. |
| 13:33.30 | jmd | eth0ghost: Afternoon |
| 13:33.42 | eth0ghost | Or that =) |
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| 13:34.17 | aRkadeFR | morning |
| 13:34.24 | jmd | On IRC, one cannot say "Morning all" at best "Morning 1/3 of the world". |
| 13:34.56 | eth0ghost | Yeah, I know, but for some reason I just always do that. Have to stop =) |
| 13:35.00 | KBme | on irc there is no morning |
| 13:35.15 | KBme | only eternal september |
| 13:35.24 | eth0ghost | KBme: =) |
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| 13:36.40 | jmd | Been watching too many Jack Warner films? |
| 13:37.06 | jmd | Oh no. That was "Evening all" |
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| 13:39.27 | martint | Is there a Linux distribution out there which has specialized on as many kernel modules as possible to support as wide range of hardware as possible and is available as a LiveCD? |
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| 13:41.00 | gchristensen | Ubuntu and Mint seem entirely driven by the idea of making it work everywhere |
| 13:41.27 | martint | gchristensen, ok, thanks! I'll try one of those! |
| 13:41.39 | jmd | I thought ubuntu was strictly ix86 only? |
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| 13:42.12 | gchristensen | oh you may be right. martint is this on a particular architecture? or even things like ppc vs arm vs ... |
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| 13:43.39 | KBme | usually for this kind of question a computer is assumed to be x86 |
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| 13:45.24 | jmd | He said "as wide range of hardware as possible" |
| 13:45.53 | jmd | x86 only seems quite categorically to preclude that. |
| 13:45.59 | ShapeShifter499 | is a chroot the only best way to get debian running on a android device? |
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| 13:56.35 | codepython777 | is there a default firewall in debian. I'm loosing a RST , my iptables looks all accept. Any ideas? |
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| 14:07.03 | dustin_ | How can I set up a wireless interface? |
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| 14:08.12 | BitPuffin | Hey guys |
| 14:08.29 | BitPuffin | How do I install xwayland on debian |
| 14:08.41 | BitPuffin | I just managed to set up weston |
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| 14:11.25 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: depends a bit how you want to configure it |
| 14:11.39 | cato | Hi, why is the package mumble not in jessie? |
| 14:11.40 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 14:14.23 | mumpitze1 | cato: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mumble.html |
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| 14:16.01 | dustin_ | mumpitzel: I was wanting to use wicd since I have XFCE, but after following the tutorial it doesn't seem to work |
| 14:16.34 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: start with the /etc/network/interfaces way first: easiest and fastest if not very flexible |
| 14:16.41 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: does iwlist work? |
| 14:17.19 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: ifconfig wlan0 up and then iwlist wlan scanning |
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| 14:20.06 | cato | mumpitze1: I don't really see a reason |
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| 14:21.52 | dustin_ | mumpitzel: Sorry, went afk for a second. Trying now |
| 14:22.06 | BitPuffin | Strange |
| 14:22.14 | BitPuffin | I don't even have ifconfig |
| 14:23.18 | dustin_ | BitPuffin: ifconfig is in /usr/sbin, if you just type the command as a normal user it won't find it |
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| 14:24.09 | dustin_ | mumpitzel: It's complaining about how the interface doesn't support scanning. Apparently eth1 is assigned to my wireless adapter, for some reason |
| 14:24.40 | mumpitze1 | cato: see under problems. basically lots of dependency problems it seems |
| 14:24.53 | BitPuffin | dustin_: that was my suspicion |
| 14:25.15 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: output of iwconfig ? |
| 14:25.43 | mumpitze1 | BitPuffin: you do. it's just not in your normal user path (/sbin) |
| 14:27.21 | dustin_ | mumpitze1: Just realized that's not an L, but a 1, thanks to Xchat's autocomplete. Anyway, http://pastebin.com/XLQxvAt8 |
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| 14:28.55 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: so just use "eth1" instead of "wlan0" in your config |
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| 14:30.05 | dustin_ | mumpitze1: I just tried. It doesn't seem to find any networks when it scans |
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| 14:30.14 | zykotick9 | dustin_: re:wicd - the first thing i always have to do, it go to the options menu (in wicd) and manually tell it my wireless card's device name (before it'll work for wireless). have you done that, and in your case entered eth1? |
| 14:30.34 | mumpitze1 | also check if you have a /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules where eth1 is defined |
| 14:30.47 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: what wlan chip? |
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| 14:31.32 | dustin_ | It uses the Intel PRO Wireless 2200 chipset... I have the ipw2x00 drivers on the machine, just verified that they're running |
| 14:31.59 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: do you have the non-free firmware for it too? |
| 14:32.08 | mumpitze1 | and where did you get these ipx2x00 drivers? |
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| 14:32.16 | dustin_ | zykotick9: Yes, I just tried that. It doesn't seem to scan |
| 14:32.28 | ddshore | I'm trying to resize an encrypted volume on my computer, but the live cd instructions that exist aren't really clear. After deleting the swap partition, he adds .6G to his physical partition; is he adding the swap? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions |
| 14:32.56 | dustin_ | mumpitze1, as far as I know the non-free drivers are the only ones that exist. I got them from the Debian repos |
| 14:33.01 | mumpitze1 | ddshore: #ubuntu |
| 14:33.12 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: there are no non-free drivers |
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| 14:34.06 | ddshore | mumpitze1: thanks, I'm using a debian live cd, but those are the only instructions that are available. |
| 14:34.23 | mumpitze1 | ddshore: are you resizing a ubuntu installation or a debian one? |
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| 14:34.45 | ddshore | mumpitze1: a debian one |
| 14:34.52 | dustin_ | mumpitze1: I had to manually add the repos.I'm not talking about the ones that come configured on a clean install |
| 14:35.20 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: then how do you know ubuntu encrypts its partitions the same way debian does? |
| 14:35.22 | zykotick9 | ddshore: yet you started by asking in #ubuntu? and you continue to cross post to that channel? |
| 14:35.49 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: there still is no non-free intel wlan driver. only free ones which come with any kernel, including the debian kernel by default |
| 14:36.24 | ddshore | zykotick9: the instructions are from the Ubuntu website, figured it makes sense. I'm also posting in #linux |
| 14:36.25 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: there is non-free firmware in some repos however |
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| 14:36.41 | ddshore | zykotick9: *asking |
| 14:36.41 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: why does it make sense to ues ubuntu instrcutions for debian? |
| 14:37.21 | ddshore | mumpitze1: for resizing a partition? It's a live CD, and it's all done from the command line. |
| 14:37.33 | ddshore | mumpitze1: live USB |
| 14:37.42 | mumpitze1 | ddshore: doesn't answer the question. read more carefully |
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| 14:40.21 | dustin_ | mumpitze1, I'm not sure what you think I mean, but this is what I got: http://pastebin.com/xs9bUPGv |
| 14:40.58 | ddshore | mumpitze1: sorry, didn't see that question, you tagged dustin. I don't really know that it's the same way. I just assumed since ubuntu is a debian distro. |
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| 14:41.19 | mumpitze1 | ok, so you installed the non-free firmware. if iwlist eth1 scanning doesn't show you any APs, then you won't get a connection. is this 2200 a 802.11b only adapter? |
| 14:42.21 | ddshore | mumpitze1: and I read they both used LUKS, didn't thinkt here was anything different |
| 14:43.30 | Eax | Hey there! Just installed Debian (x64) on my computer, am trying to install the Nvidia drivers (proprietary) but I am getting a "THe CC version check failed" - Seems that the kernel was compiled with gcc 4.6 and I have gcc 4.7. I have also installed gcc 4.6 but that didn't make a difference. How can I proceeed with installing? :) |
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| 14:45.09 | mumpitze1 | !tell Eax about nvidia dkms |
| 14:45.21 | mumpitze1 | Eax: we do not support downloads from nvidia.com at all. they break your debian |
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| 14:45.30 | dustin_ | mumpitze1, It's BG... In the file you mentioned, I believe I saw something about having something named eth1 in there. I can post that file as well |
| 14:45.46 | Eax | mumpitze1, copy that. What do you recommend I do instead? Run nouveau? |
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| 14:46.37 | mumpitze1 | Eax: read what dpkg messaged you |
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| 14:47.15 | Eax | mumpitze1, copy that, giving that ago |
| 14:47.17 | Eax | *a go |
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| 14:49.58 | mumpitze1 | dustin_: that file determines the name |
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| 14:52.01 | ddshore | mumpitze1: Would those instructions not work on Debian? |
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| 14:52.48 | mumpitze1 | ddshore: we wouldn't know |
| 14:53.02 | mumpitze1 | ubuntu is NOT debian. it is different |
| 14:53.43 | ddshore | mumpitze1: I'm aware of that, but it's the closest distro with complete instructions. |
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| 14:56.12 | lnxslck | ddshore, maybe you should switch to debian then |
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| 14:57.08 | Eax | mumpitze1, worked wonders. Thanks for that :) |
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| 14:57.16 | ddshore | lnxslck: I am in Debian. I'm trying to resize an encrypted drive, but there's only instructions available for Ubuntu. I was asking something about those instructions, that's unclear to me. |
| 14:57.53 | lnxslck | ddshore, should be the same thing on debian or other distro |
| 14:58.02 | mumpitze1 | ddshore: then ask #ubuntu. it's their instructions... |
| 14:58.11 | lnxslck | ddshore, doesn't seem to be an issue related to distro itself but to file system |
| 14:58.26 | ddshore | mumpitze1: I did, they didn't answer. |
| 14:58.37 | mumpitze1 | tough luck then |
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| 14:59.27 | ddshore | lnxslck: thanks, the instructions are unclear. I'm not sure what the guy who wrote them was trying to do. Do you know about resizing encrypted drives? |
| 15:00.07 | lnxslck | ddshore, don't use encrypted drives |
| 15:00.18 | lnxslck | ddshore, but a look on google should help you |
| 15:00.26 | ddshore | lnxslck: why not? |
| 15:00.37 | lnxslck | ddshore, why whould i ? |
| 15:00.41 | Eax | I need to add noatime to my grub (running SSD), in /boot/grub/ - which file do I edit? |
| 15:00.56 | lnxslck | Eax, souldn't be to grub but fstab |
| 15:00.58 | ddshore | lnxslck: sorry, thought you were telling me I shouldn't use encrypted drives. |
| 15:01.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | ddshore: resize what? A logical volume on dm-crypt/luks? |
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| 15:01.04 | subz3r0 | hi |
| 15:01.05 | Eax | lnxslck, thanks |
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| 15:01.26 | subz3r0 | where is the difference between /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net? |
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| 15:03.37 | ddshore | Eduard_Munteanu: Yes. I need to resize my drive, I found some instructions for Ubuntu, but after they delete the swap (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions) they resize the drive by .6G greater than what than what they were using. I'm unclear as to whether they added the swap to the Physical Volume. |
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| 15:04.41 | gabedwrds | ddshore: where do you see ".6G greater"? |
| 15:05.45 | ddshore | gabedwrds: it says "sudo pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 5.6G /dev/mapper/crypt1" But they were always working with 5G |
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| 15:06.34 | gabedwrds | ddshore: ah, okay. yeeah, I don't even know why they're using setphysicalvolumesize |
| 15:06.42 | gabedwrds | let me see if I can find the instructions I used when I did this last month |
| 15:07.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | gabedwrds: what's your setup? Filesystem on LV on PVs on encrypted LUKS volume? |
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| 15:07.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | When you enlarge things you start at the bottom of the stack. |
| 15:07.57 | ddshore | gabedwrds: thanks. |
| 15:07.59 | gabedwrds | uh, mine's ext4 on LUKS on LVM |
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| 15:08.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, ddshore, not gabedwrds |
| 15:08.53 | gabedwrds | hm, I'm remembering something wrong here. |
| 15:11.00 | ddshore | Eduard_Munteanu: It's exactly the same as gabedwrds, ext4 luks lvm |
| 15:11.37 | gabedwrds | oh, I remember now, I've actually done different things at different times, so there's no guide I can point to |
| 15:11.48 | gabedwrds | but Eduard_Munteanu is right, just start at the bottom of your stack |
| 15:11.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | ddshore: and where exactly is the additional 0.6 GiB you want to enlarge a volume by? |
| 15:12.26 | rendar | i have to run a command as root at the boot, what is the best place to put it? its just an echo "2" >>/proc/somewhere |
| 15:12.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | rendar: don't, use /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:13.10 | rendar | why? |
| 15:13.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | rendar: that's the standard way to configure /proc entries |
| 15:13.40 | rendar | oh i see |
| 15:13.42 | ddshore | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't. I need to make it smaller. But the instructions I was following are unclear, so I didn't know what to do in a certain step. Basically, I've got 240G I need to make 205G, but in the instructions I'm reading, the guy is reducing his to 5G and after deleting the swap, he resize to 5.6 G and I'm not sure why he does that. |
| 15:13.44 | rendar | i'll try that |
| 15:14.10 | rendar | Eduard_Munteanu, btw, just for the sake of knowledge, if i have to run a root command at the boot, where to put it? |
| 15:14.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | ddshore: ah, if you want to make it smaller, start with the filesystem. |
| 15:14.54 | rendar | Eduard_Munteanu, btw its a /sys thing, not /proc |
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| 15:15.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, hm. |
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| 15:15.25 | rendar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.30 | rendar | this is the command |
| 15:15.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | rendar: I think there's something in sysfsutils, at least on this Gentoo |
| 15:15.42 | ddshore | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks, I did. I did the filesystem, then the logical volume, and I'm stuck in the physicial volume after removing the swap. |
| 15:16.00 | zmyrgel | hi, what would be the process of applying new patch to existing debian package to test it? |
| 15:16.02 | rendar | Eduard_Munteanu, Gentoo? isn't this debian? |
| 15:16.19 | gabedwrds | ddshore: you don't necessarily need to touch your swap |
| 15:16.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | rendar: I don't have a Debian on my hands right now |
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| 15:16.36 | rendar | ok |
| 15:16.42 | zmyrgel | I have the patch I need to apply and I got the source for the package wit apt-get source <package> |
| 15:16.49 | gabedwrds | ddshore: you need to delete whatever partition you're resizing and recreate it with the size you've shrunken it to |
| 15:17.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | gabedwrds, ddshore: I would use parted to resize, so you don't mess it up with fdisk by deleting/recreating |
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| 15:18.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | rendar: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sysfsutils -- read the description |
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| 15:21.28 | rendar | Eduard_Munteanu, thanks, i've solved by editing /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 15:21.29 | ddshore | gabedwrds: Eduard_Munteanu: I'm a bit confused. Let's say I deleted my swap partition, and I'm resizing my physical volume and then recreating my swap partition. When I resize my physical volume, should I add the swap partition's size to my physical volume? |
| 15:21.55 | gabedwrds | ddshore: I would just create your swap partition again, the way it was, since you don't have any reason to mess with it |
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| 15:22.20 | gabedwrds | ddshore: and then continue with the next step ignoring anything else about swap |
| 15:23.09 | ddshore | gabedwrds: thanks, let me try that. |
| 15:23.28 | gabedwrds | the issue for that guy might have been that his swap came right after his root and he needed to move it too... but it's totally irrelevant to resizing root |
| 15:24.47 | gabedwrds | totally unrelated, but do people still recommend creating a swap partition (versus a swap file)? |
| 15:24.57 | gnugr | zmyrgel:i think you better ask in #debian-mentors how to commit a patch on a specific package |
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| 15:25.47 | ddshore | gabedwrds: and about the 5.6G, I'm using 205G. On this command "sudo pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 5.6G /dev/mapper/crypt1" should I still use 205G? It makes sense that he added 500MB for the swap partition right? So I should just ignore that? |
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| 15:26.41 | subz3r0 | where is the difference between /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net? any1? |
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| 15:27.18 | subz3r0 | stupid question... but the LPI wants it... |
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| 15:27.31 | zmyrgel | gnugr: I don't wish to commit it to package... I just need to build the debian package with the patch applied so I can test it |
| 15:27.37 | gabedwrds | ddshore: do you know how many sectors you resized the LUKS partition to? |
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| 15:27.59 | Eax | I have a button on my keyboard (a steelseries keyboard 6GV2), that doesn't register in xev, is it possible to somehow set this button to react as a super button? |
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| 15:29.43 | ddshore | gabedwrds: Would that be this command? sudo resize2fs -p /dev/mapper/compu 205g? |
| 15:30.11 | ddshore | gabedwrds: or lvreduce? |
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| 15:30.23 | gabedwrds | ddshore: actually you probably did cryptsetup ... resize ... something, so it'd be the number after -b |
| 15:30.47 | ddshore | gabedwrds: I'm not there yet. |
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| 15:31.05 | ddshore | gabedwrds: in that tutorial, it comes cryptsetup comes after this step. |
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| 15:31.26 | gabedwrds | ddshore: huh? I'm confused. what step are you on? |
| 15:31.29 | peterrooney | gabedwrds: swap partitions are still recommended; I cannot recall anyone seriously advocating swap files. |
| 15:31.36 | peterrooney | ever. |
| 15:31.51 | gabedwrds | ddshore: oh my bad, I was looking at the fdisk step |
| 15:32.08 | ddshore | "Resize the (LVM) Physical Volume. " |
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| 15:32.55 | phix | I like LVM |
| 15:33.04 | sotiri | me 2 |
| 15:33.10 | phix | <3 |
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| 15:34.07 | gabedwrds | ddshore: okay, do you actually need to reduce the size of your PV? if you're doing this to fit things on a smaller disk - yes. if you're doing this to make room to add another partition - no. |
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| 15:34.39 | ddshore | gabedwrds: I have to install windows temporarilly |
| 15:34.43 | gabedwrds | ah, ok |
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| 15:35.02 | ddshore | gabedwrds: so, to make room for another partition. |
| 15:35.17 | gabedwrds | well, if it's windows, it won't be a LVM partition, so you do need to do this |
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| 15:35.52 | sharky_ | phix, you mean lvm2? |
| 15:35.56 | sharky_ | :D |
| 15:36.18 | phix | sharky_: All LVMs |
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| 15:39.27 | sharky_ | lvm + dm_crpyt |
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| 15:40.09 | phix | <3 |
| 15:40.14 | ddshore | gabedwrds: so, i don't need to resize my pv? :/ |
| 15:40.20 | gabedwrds | ddshore: the size you want to reduce the PV to is basically the total size of all LVs it contains |
| 15:40.24 | gabedwrds | ^ yeah |
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| 15:40.49 | gabedwrds | ddshore: fortunately, pvresize won't let you resize it to anything smaller than that, so you don't need to figure out the exact size |
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| 15:41.29 | ddshore | so, sudo pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 205G /dev/mapper/crypt1 right? |
| 15:42.07 | gabedwrds | if 205G is the total of *all* the LVs on the PV - you can probably see the total from pvdisplay |
| 15:42.38 | gabedwrds | or not. bah. I don't have LVM on this system so I can't check |
| 15:42.45 | gabedwrds | but sure, try 205. if it doesn't work, go bigger |
| 15:43.31 | ddshore | gabedwrds: Or should I add what I have in lvdisplay? |
| 15:43.37 | ddshore | 205G + 9.68 swap? |
| 15:43.42 | gabedwrds | ddshore: sure |
| 15:44.45 | gabedwrds | peterrooney: what's the rationale for advocating swap partitions over files? |
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| 15:46.11 | ex0a | how do i add "comment" and "string" support to iptables with the wheezy -rt amd64 kernel? |
| 15:46.19 | ddshore | gabedwrds: got it! thanks |
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| 15:48.42 | gabedwrds | peterrooney: it seems like the only legitimate reason is to avoid fragmentation. other than that, performance shouldn't suffer at all since the kernel maps out the on-disk location of the swap and never has to go through the FS layer again |
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| 15:53.58 | pfred1 | So, does anyone in here use Debian? :) |
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| 15:54.42 | pfred1 | is thinking about giving Wheezy a shot |
| 15:54.47 | phix | pfred1: What's Debian? |
| 15:55.10 | pfred1 | phix I heard it is a contraction for Debbie and Ian |
| 15:55.34 | phix | You don't say |
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| 15:55.39 | xand | ... |
| 15:55.44 | phix | hai xand ! |
| 15:55.51 | xand | I wonder, could people in #debian use debian... |
| 15:55.58 | xand | hi |
| 15:56.31 | pfred1 | xand I've been in enough IRC channels to know that not everyone in a channel actually has anything to do with the channel's topic |
| 15:56.36 | phix | xand: Do CEOs know anything about business? or are they just highly paid liars? |
| 15:57.16 | pfred1 | phix I just heard McDonalds is going to stop using Heinz ketchup because the former Burger King CEO is running Heinz now |
| 15:57.48 | phix | Sounds legit |
| 15:57.52 | pfred1 | which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard |
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| 15:58.58 | Leoneof | hi, i've been playing with kuser about group/admin...etc, is there a way to restore to default settings? :) |
| 15:59.19 | phix | pfred1: Apparantly eating lobster that is served to you that was originally catched in a duristrition / country that states it was under sizes can end you up in Jail |
| 15:59.53 | pfred1 | phix not if I swallow the evidence |
| 16:00.26 | pfred1 | Leoneof I've never even heard of kuser |
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| 16:00.37 | phix | and if you are walking with padded shoes (joggers for example) after dark in AU you can be arrested and charged (due to a 1890 law regarding cat burgulars) |
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| 16:00.56 | phix | Stupid things exist everwhere, mostly in law though |
| 16:01.07 | Pike95 | Hello anyone :) |
| 16:01.10 | ex0a | anyone know how i can add "comment" and "string" support to iptables with the wheezy -rt amd64 kernel? i've been trying to get fwsnort working for a few days now and have yet to see anything but "recompile your kernel" but i'm using a debian kernel which i also read should include everything |
| 16:01.13 | phix | and apparantly we need to abide by it, scary |
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| 16:01.17 | phix | any way, debian |
| 16:01.26 | armin | yoloOS |
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| 16:01.46 | phix | ex0a: comment isn't in there? |
| 16:01.53 | pfred1 | yeah I really botched up my Squeeze install years ago on my HTPC years ago about a week before Squeeze even came out |
| 16:02.04 | ex0a | phix: according to fwsnort, no |
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| 16:02.27 | pfred1 | long story why i had to run Squeeze it basically amounted to the X Window in Lenny was too old to properly support my graphics adapter accelerated |
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| 16:02.29 | nullbyte_ | W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 406 Not Acceptable [IP: 140.211.15.34 80] |
| 16:02.34 | ex0a | [-] It looks like the iptables 'comment' match is not available, disabling. [*] It does not appear that string match support has been compiled into the kernel. Fwsnort will not be of very much use without this. |
| 16:02.43 | Pike95 | Does anyone know how I can "mask" my IP like they did it at www.der-postillon.com |
| 16:02.52 | phix | nullbyte_: Not acceptable conditions!!!!! |
| 16:02.52 | nullbyte_ | why i got that backports line from sources.list is ok: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 16:02.59 | phix | nullbyte_: not acceptable!!!! |
| 16:03.07 | nullbyte_ | phix: what means that |
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| 16:03.12 | phix | ah Lemon Grab wrote 406 of that RFC |
| 16:03.17 | phix | nullbyte_: a TV show |
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| 16:03.32 | phix | any way, debian |
| 16:03.54 | phix | When will stable samba 4 packages be introduced into Debian? |
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| 16:04.03 | nullbyte_ | who knows? |
| 16:04.06 | phix | beta2 is too buggy it isn't useful |
| 16:04.08 | pfred1 | so I just put a new HDD in that box and now because of the custom kernel I'm running I can't mount the disk |
| 16:04.18 | phix | pfred1: fun |
| 16:04.31 | Leoneof | pfred1: it's like adduser, addgroup and so on |
| 16:04.37 | pfred1 | phix yeah it is a bunch of old sins coming back to haunt me now |
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| 16:05.08 | pfred1 | phix like 3 years ago I promised myself I'd reload this machine right someday and I'm feeling like hat someday has finally arrived |
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| 16:05.42 | pfred1 | phix the upgrade i did from Lenny to Squeeze was kind of half assed |
| 16:06.24 | phix | lenny to squeeze, that would of been 6 yrs ago |
| 16:06.24 | pfred1 | it boots, and runs, but it was never quite right |
| 16:06.30 | pfred1 | nah |
| 16:06.37 | pfred1 | 2010 |
| 16:06.45 | phix | ok I was half right :) |
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| 16:06.56 | phix | but still, that is a long release cycle |
| 16:07.01 | pfred1 | going on 4 years now I guess |
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| 16:07.23 | pfred1 | oh once i get a system the way i like it I leave them pretty much alone I still have machines that run Lenny |
| 16:07.40 | demonkeeper | Jessie will be frozen in November 2014. Thus you can expect a release in the summer the year after. |
| 16:08.25 | pfred1 | I might even do a fresh Squeeze install on it |
| 16:08.30 | phix | pfred1: I had a machine that ran Lenny once just before Wheezy was released, it was broken into due to old and insecure packages as Lenny wasn't supported aby more |
| 16:08.33 | demonkeeper | You should not. |
| 16:08.34 | phix | s/aby/any/ |
| 16:08.48 | demonkeeper | Squeeze support terminates in April next year. |
| 16:09.04 | pfred1 | phix yeah when the repos go dark it is game over but if I have everything I want installed before then it doesn't really matter to me |
| 16:09.11 | phix | pfred1: I highly recommended keeping up to a current version |
| 16:09.20 | FreezingCold | demonkeeper: I know google will tell me this, but to go from squeeze -> wheezy, can you do it all on the machine without any live tools? |
| 16:09.23 | phix | unless you like your security being comprimised |
| 16:09.39 | demonkeeper | FreezingCold: Of course. Debian supports in-band upgrades. |
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| 16:10.12 | pfred1 | my last upgrade wasn't flawless so I'm going with a fresh install |
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| 16:13.32 | jhutchins | I have a Dell with an intel audio chipset, and the only audio out I can get is the internal speaker. |
| 16:13.35 | jhutchins | The mixer controls it on the "mono" channel, but I can't find anything that will give me output on the speaker jack. |
| 16:14.07 | pfred1 | I never did get the on board audio on that system to work right |
| 16:14.12 | jhutchins | phix: Which exploit did they use? |
| 16:14.50 | pfred1 | jhutchins my fix was to throw a soundblaster audio card into it and call it a day |
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| 16:16.24 | phix | jhutchins: Cyrus one, copied a root kit to certain location |
| 16:16.31 | phix | and was able to execute it as root |
| 16:17.58 | pfred1 | jhutchins this machine the on board Intel audio works |
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| 16:18.26 | crypt0x | why would both cp and rsync be copying files off an NTFS external partition/drive with completely different bytes? ie sha256sum also fails to be equivalent. |
| 16:18.41 | jhutchins | pfred1: Oh it works, but the only output is the internal speaker. |
| 16:19.14 | pfred1 | jhutchins I think PC speaker is separate from the HD audio controller |
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| 16:19.39 | pfred1 | although you can emulate PC speaker with your audio |
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| 16:19.48 | Tylertwo | Ever since I downloaded Fceux from testing I've been getting these fontconfig errors: http://paste.debian.net/62251/ whenever I run a number of applications, such as vlc, fceux, gimp, etc. I think that this is a known bug. I'm not experiencing any issues except the error message itself (applications run as expected). Any idea about how to fix this? |
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| 16:20.01 | crypt0x | this is only for large files mind you. small files a few mb in size are fine. |
| 16:20.18 | pfred1 | jhutchins try lspci -vv and see if you're loading a driver for your audio |
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| 16:21.59 | pfred1 | jhutchins mine says Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel |
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| 16:24.25 | tete_ | hi, can someone tell me how i can start the saned which is controlled by xinetd as root? |
| 16:24.56 | tete_ | i already have in my saned.conf in the xinetd.d directory: user = root, group = root |
| 16:25.04 | tete_ | but its still running as saned when i do ps aux |
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| 16:29.42 | Tylertwo | Hmmm... it said the font that was giving it trouble was 65-droid-sans-fonts.conf so I moved that from /etc/fonts/conf.d/ to ~ (to get rid of it), and that seems to have solved it... Just hope this doesn't cause any other problems. |
| 16:29.51 | tete_ | btw this is running at my raspberry, running xbmc which is based on debian |
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| 16:32.04 | tete_ | no one? |
| 16:33.01 | mtn | tete_: I don't think that is supported on this channel. only "real" debian |
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| 16:33.26 | FreezingCold | pfred1: how do you screw up an install? |
| 16:33.32 | tete_ | so you think debian on arm is different than debian on x86? |
| 16:33.46 | pfred1 | FreezingCold by not reading the instructions first |
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| 16:33.59 | mtn | tete_: doesn't matter, we don't support anything based on debian, only debian itself |
| 16:33.59 | FreezingCold | tete_: no, one of the best things about debian is that they compile the same packages for ARM :) |
| 16:34.13 | tete_ | mtn, ok, i have debian, can you tell me how to start the daemon as root? |
| 16:34.14 | pfred1 | FreezingCold there were a couple of things i was supposed to upgrade manually before i did a version upgrade |
| 16:34.20 | FreezingCold | pfred1: meh, I installed debian for the very first time last night and I didn't even use the installer |
| 16:34.39 | pfred1 | FreezingCold did you upgrade from one version to another? |
| 16:34.39 | rypervenche | How can I choose to start my installation process using Xfce when I am using a netinstall on a USB drive that I made using unetbootin? I'm not seeing the option to choose a different DE. |
| 16:34.52 | pfred1 | FreezingCold fresh install is a bit different than upgrading |
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| 16:35.24 | FreezingCold | pfred1: nope, clean install (had a bunch of crap on there). just guessed my way around, only had one mistake and that was because I started changing the names of the LUKS crypt and debian didn't like it |
| 16:35.25 | FreezingCold | but starting up once and running grub again fixed it :) |
| 16:35.56 | FreezingCold | I also installed Windows 7 through Linux once for the lawls. Worked flawlessly lol |
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| 16:35.58 | pfred1 | FreezingCold the system has been running for 3 years now but it has some quirks to it |
| 16:36.27 | pfred1 | like is spams messages when it boots about something being depreciated |
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| 16:36.56 | pfred1 | also only root can mount a CD in it now |
| 16:37.09 | FreezingCold | pfred1: your user probably isn't in the right group |
| 16:37.16 | FreezingCold | something probably is depreciated :p |
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| 16:37.40 | pfred1 | FreezingCold or the right group isn't attached to the CD anymore |
| 16:37.47 | FreezingCold | I use Arch as my daily machine, so I'm pretty used to seeing stuff go depreciated... |
| 16:37.52 | tete_ | guess i found it... in /etc/init.d/saned is a "runas=saned" string |
| 16:38.48 | FreezingCold | pfred1: tbh I found debian's wiki a bit disappointing for problems like that |
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| 16:39.32 | rypervenche | Is it possible to dd a netinstall to a USB drive or do you have to use something like unetbootin? |
| 16:39.43 | FreezingCold | rypervenche: should dd over fine |
| 16:39.46 | pfred1 | this is strange i have a flash drive I made with unetbootin I think and it has a Hidden HPFS/NTFS filesystem on it. I don't think this system even supports that filesystem so I don't think I can mount it and see what it is |
| 16:39.57 | rypervenche | FreezingCold: And that will give me the proper debian grub menu if I do it that way then? |
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| 16:40.46 | FreezingCold | rypervenche: not sure if grub is on there by default (only one system after all) but yeah it should all work. Just a note, I couldn't boot off any USB media on my desktop yesterday because the motherboard refuses to boot anything larger than 1 or 2GB |
| 16:40.59 | tete_ | hm crap its still running as "saned" and not as root ... wth... >:( |
| 16:41.09 | FreezingCold | rypervenche: unetbootin is a waste of time |
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| 16:41.26 | FreezingCold | It should only be a windows tool IMO |
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| 16:41.49 | pfred1 | FreezingCold why is that? I think unetbootin works well on Linux |
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| 16:42.19 | FreezingCold | pfred1: what crazy distro doesn't support just dd'ing the iso? |
| 16:42.30 | rypervenche | FreezingCold: Friend is doing it from Windows :/ I guess I can just add "desktop=xfce" to the end of the boot options... |
| 16:42.38 | pfred1 | FreezingCold ubuntu |
| 16:42.49 | FreezingCold | rypervenche: oh then yeah unetbootin is a good idea |
| 16:43.03 | FreezingCold | pfred1: yes. I don't see how that changes what I said ;) |
| 16:43.04 | pfred1 | FreezingCold well ubuntu probably does but you can't make the save partition by dding I don't imagine |
| 16:43.44 | FreezingCold | pfred1: IIRC the "save partition feature" is only applied to Ubuntu as well, so nobody else can use it |
| 16:44.13 | pfred1 | FreezingCold I think it is a pretty neat feature that more distributions can pick up on |
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| 16:45.01 | FreezingCold | pfred1: there's no need to pick up on it. A LiveUSB is only meant to live once. If you need it more than once, then you can install directly to the USB drive. Literally every distro supports that :) |
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| 16:45.56 | FreezingCold | Don't get me wrong, unetbootin is a great tool. |
| 16:46.04 | FreezingCold | For Windows users, not Linux users |
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| 16:46.37 | FreezingCold | Kovacs (main dev) even lists the windows binaries first lol |
| 16:46.39 | bazhang | multiarch isn't it? the debian iso |
| 16:46.52 | bazhang | err hybrid |
| 16:47.25 | FreezingCold | bazhang: uh not sure. the iso's I have in my downloads folder state i386 |
| 16:47.32 | FreezingCold | but there could be another one. |
| 16:47.49 | bazhang | yeah I meant hybrid |
| 16:48.22 | bazhang | so you could just cat iso >usbstick |
| 16:48.37 | FreezingCold | bazhang: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst makes me pick which arch |
| 16:48.51 | bazhang | dd as well |
| 16:49.20 | FreezingCold | that cat command just scares me lol |
| 16:49.25 | FreezingCold | dd please... |
| 16:49.29 | zykotick9 | bazhang: using cat or cp is easier then dd IMO |
| 16:49.38 | bazhang | both worked for me |
| 16:49.45 | bazhang | zykotick9, yep |
| 16:50.03 | FreezingCold | the nice thing about dd is it reports back the speed and such |
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| 16:50.35 | FreezingCold | bazhang: did you find a hybrid disk? |
| 16:50.36 | bazhang | well for the minimal/netinstall, it's not a lot to start with |
| 16:51.08 | bazhang | FreezingCold, I misstated hybrid as multiarch |
| 16:51.26 | FreezingCold | ohhhh, sorry I've been thinking about multiarch this whole time |
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| 16:52.17 | FreezingCold | bazhang: does Windows let you move partitions while they're activate? If so, you could probably use cygwin to debootstrap debian in |
| 16:53.20 | bazhang | FreezingCold, never used windows for longer than the time it took to install Linux over it for the most part |
| 16:53.25 | zykotick9 | bazhang: then there is the multi-arch iso debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso.torrent ;) this is the most under torrented and generally used install media - and it's fantastic. put this on usb media and your can choose 32 or 64 - handy. |
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| 16:53.45 | bazhang | zykotick9, yeah thats the one |
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| 16:54.08 | pfred1 | I never use 64 so not so handy |
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| 16:54.41 | deadman36g | can some help me with a rename command? |
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| 16:55.00 | FreezingCold | zykotick9: oh nice |
| 16:55.07 | zykotick9 | pfred1: you must not have systems with more then 4g ram ;) <ot>pae is a hack</ot> |
| 16:55.24 | FreezingCold | pfred1: ....really? what kind of hardware are you on...? |
| 16:55.25 | bezaban | multi arch iso. practical. I pxe boot amd and i386 installs separately |
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| 16:55.41 | pfred1 | zykotick9 I don't. I rarely use more than about 500 MB of RAM either |
| 16:56.12 | cariveri | hello. if apt is completely broken, how can I reinstall it? |
| 16:56.16 | FreezingCold | zykotick9: I wonder how the PAE vs AMD64 benchmarks look |
| 16:56.21 | pfred1 | FreezingCold I am on a desk chair right now what kind of hardware are you on? |
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| 16:58.16 | daveee123 | Hey. I wrote a bash script. Uprgraded to Jessie. And now. If I type anything manually that is in the bash script. It works. But otherwise the print out is that packages cannot be found. The bash script is just apt-getting things |
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| 16:58.37 | FreezingCold | pfred1: uh my laptop has a i3 2310m (2.1ghz dual) and 4gb of ram (only Arch installed). Desktop is an AMD 9950, 4GB and a GTX 460 but it's purely a Windows AutoCAD/sometimes gaming machine. Then I also help my parents out with their computer, and I just install debian on that (had ubuntu). That machine is an old P4 with like 1GB of RAM lol |
| 16:58.38 | bezaban | deadman36g: if you type the question someone might be able to answer :) |
| 16:58.46 | mtn | cariveri: you can install packages using dpkg |
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| 16:59.37 | codepython777 | I've a RST from a server that is being lost and does not get to wget in debian 7.2 (on a particular box). Anyone knows how to debug this? My iptables looks clear. |
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| 17:00.58 | bezaban | codepython777: could look at the traffic with tcpdump or wireshark |
| 17:01.15 | pfred1 | FreezingCold oh you meant what kinds of computers do I have? I have a few systems. They're different places, and they do different things as well |
| 17:01.43 | pfred1 | FreezingCold a couple of them are i3s |
| 17:01.56 | FreezingCold | pfred1: I kinda want an ARM system tbh |
| 17:02.05 | jhutchins_wk | pfred1: Did you have a debian support question? |
| 17:02.11 | FreezingCold | the only thing is I'd lose virtualbox and wine |
| 17:02.24 | pfred1 | jhutchins_wk I wanted to know if anyone ran Debian |
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| 17:02.36 | gchristensen | FreezingCold: why do you want an ARM system? just because? |
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| 17:02.53 | jhutchins_wk | pfred1: Nope, nobody. Perhaps #debian-offtopic would be appropriate. |
| 17:03.01 | pfred1 | gchristensen I want an ARM myself because of that UEFI stuff they put on new systems today |
| 17:03.03 | FreezingCold | gchristensen: generally less heat |
| 17:03.07 | FreezingCold | well |
| 17:03.17 | FreezingCold | maybe not true, but the goal of ARM tends to be more mobile |
| 17:03.19 | pfred1 | jhutchins_wk I would think that talking about Debian would be topical for this channel |
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| 17:03.34 | jhutchins_wk | FreezingCold: If you want to discus #hardware, there's a channel for that. |
| 17:03.35 | codepython777 | bezaban: http://cloudshark.org/captures/1f95da7bf5a7 |
| 17:03.59 | codepython777 | bezaban: there is a RST that is present in the connection, but gets lost when i get this wireshark in debian |
| 17:04.05 | gchristensen | pfred1: is it evil somehow? |
| 17:04.15 | codepython777 | bezaban: my iptables is completely open , no idea where it gets lost |
| 17:04.20 | pfred1 | gchristensen I don't see what it would do for me |
| 17:04.33 | gchristensen | how would it harm you? |
| 17:04.47 | pfred1 | gchristensen by being useless |
| 17:04.49 | jhutchins_wk | codepython777: What protocol? http? |
| 17:04.56 | FreezingCold | jhutchins_wk: fair enough |
| 17:05.03 | ompaul | pfred1: that is not tech support - conversation is available in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:05.14 | pfred1 | gchristensen I discard useless items from my life or try not to acquire them in the first place |
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| 17:05.44 | bezaban | codepython777: could be the device doing the NAT, but I see your predicament |
| 17:05.51 | pfred1 | ompaul finding out if people have experience with Debian is a technical question for me |
| 17:06.20 | bezaban | codepython777: tested with non-ssl just to eliminate that as a problem? |
| 17:06.37 | pfred1 | ompaul because they might know things that I do not |
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| 17:07.38 | pfred1 | ompaul but being as the response I got was so underwhelming here I decided to just wing it |
| 17:07.53 | ompaul | pfred1: how about two people indicated where you could have such a conversation so your version of reality doesn't match theirs, perhaps an experiment would allow you discover if we were right, and you can then adjust your view to be less at a parallax with reality and more in line with it, try it and see |
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| 17:08.59 | pfred1 | ompaul perhaps their reality would match mine if they dislodged their heads from where they appear to be stuck? |
| 17:09.16 | codepython777 | bezaban: it is a ssl problem only it seems. also goes away with tls 1.0 |
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| 17:10.07 | ompaul | pfred1: subtle like a plank of wood, a clue by four as they have been called. |
| 17:11.25 | daveee123 | i just upgraded to jessie. and i have a bash script i want to run, which i have run in stable. it is just a bunch of sudo apt-get's. and each one works manually, but when i run sh install.sh, all of the apt-get readouts say unable to locate package? |
| 17:11.31 | daveee123 | any ideas why this might be happening? |
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| 17:12.03 | ompaul | daveee123: so do the repos exist or do they depend on squeeze being there or what? |
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| 17:13.11 | ompaul | daveee123: basically publish them on paste.debian.net and maybe it will be obvious but guessing now would be an exercise that a wizard of the power of merlin would be somewhat overpowered by |
| 17:13.15 | daveee123 | ompaul: they exist. when i copy the command from the bash script and paste it into the terminal, it works |
| 17:13.35 | ompaul | daveee123: so they depend on some environment variable |
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| 17:13.43 | ompaul | a path or some such is in correct |
| 17:14.09 | ompaul | daveee123: and please paste so we can see them |
| 17:14.44 | ompaul | incorrect - wow my typing ... |
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| 17:15.09 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok, i'll have it in a sec |
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| 17:15.34 | cariveri | mtn: thanks. but reinstalling apt did not work out: http://pastebin.com/sUQBM2jz |
| 17:16.10 | daveee123 | ompaul: http://www.pastebin.com/t2wfB8mV |
| 17:16.20 | zykotick9 | lol - this drwho intro music thing is awesome! i'm only 2:30 min in. |
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| 17:16.29 | zykotick9 | fail |
| 17:16.32 | mtn | cariveri: well, you are using ubuntu and should look for support on their channel. it is not supported here |
| 17:16.51 | Tylertwo | My computer goes to a blank screen (sorta like a screen saver) after 10 minutes. I'm not sure why (possibly upowerd?), but I don't want it to do this. It's done this since I installed Debian (Wheezy) - I use OpenBox with no DE. Ideas? |
| 17:16.56 | codepython777 | jhutchins_wk: https |
| 17:17.02 | Tylertwo | (after 10 minutes of being idle) |
| 17:17.23 | codepython777 | bezaban: the problem only happens with non-existant https domains served using sni - havent been able to recreate it |
| 17:17.44 | ompaul | daveee123: and now please paste the errors |
| 17:17.51 | cariveri | mtn: I thought ubuntu is based on debian. |
| 17:18.15 | ompaul | daveee123: btw you could read the error lines - and you could divine what is wrong |
| 17:18.17 | zinx | cariveri: it's enough different that the help provided here doesn't apply to it |
| 17:18.20 | mtn | cariveri: it is and it is supported on the #ubuntu channel, not the #debian channel |
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| 17:18.40 | ompaul | cariveri: they changes stuff - we tell you X they make it work by Y you waste our time and we yours |
| 17:18.58 | zinx | cariveri: most questions this channel gets that are related to ubuntu are, in fact, very specific to ubuntu - we don't know what's happening, and can't help you, and we may even break your system more if we try |
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| 17:20.07 | cariveri | ok. alright. doesnt convince to switch to debian, but ok. thank you anyway |
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| 17:20.24 | ompaul | Tylertwo: check syslog and see what is there - I guess you will see the event recorded |
| 17:20.27 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok, one sec. sorry, juggling computers. i thought i made it clear what the errors were. and why they didnt make sense. but i will post them anyway |
| 17:21.16 | ompaul | cariveri: - that's not a clever answer - it is conflation of something that has nothing to do with something else - at least seek clarity and you will server yourself well |
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| 17:21.27 | daveee123 | ompaul: http://www.pastebin.com/EitDCx19 |
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| 17:21.57 | Tylertwo | ompaul, ok, i'll check |
| 17:21.58 | ompaul | ,v quassel |
| 17:21.59 | judd | Package: quassel on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-2+squeeze2; wheezy: 0.8.0-1; jessie: 0.9.0-1; sid: 0.9.0-1 |
| 17:22.01 | daveee123 | ompaul:it is strange, because running any of the commands that i copy and past from the bash script, work perfectly |
| 17:22.06 | FreezingCold | Why don't we get everyone to use fallocate instead of dd (zero)? |
| 17:22.31 | ompaul | FreezingCold: you can't get people to do things - you can suggest |
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| 17:22.54 | FreezingCold | ompaul: well in pretty much every wiki we tell them to use dd for empty files |
| 17:22.58 | ompaul | daveee123: apt-get update |
| 17:23.45 | daveee123 | ompaul: just on my own or in the script? |
| 17:23.46 | zophy | hi |
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| 17:24.22 | ompaul | daveee123: on your own |
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| 17:24.36 | cariveri | ompaul: who did develope apt? |
| 17:24.43 | ompaul | debian |
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| 17:25.05 | daveee123 | ompaul: no change. |
| 17:25.07 | jmd | So I have upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and not NAT isn't working. How do I debug this? |
| 17:25.08 | ompaul | cariveri: it's been around a long time |
| 17:25.14 | cariveri | so this is why I tried this channel for help. |
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| 17:25.49 | ompaul | daveee123: ... so the script can't see the install script it does not know the path path or some such : not found 10: install.sh: |
| 17:26.08 | ompaul | daveee123: also what's wrong with apt-get install foo one after another |
| 17:26.10 | mtn | cariveri: the problem is not with the tool, but with the configs, which are on Ubuntu |
| 17:26.15 | zophy | c'est la vive le amour le debian le amore |
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| 17:26.47 | ompaul | daveee123: also note this ... your environment has changed across versions /packages' does not exist! |
| 17:26.52 | ompaul | !fr |
| 17:26.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 17:27.09 | zophy | qui |
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| 17:27.18 | ompaul | cariveri: so you see what they do with their packages and their pinning and their apt is their business |
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| 17:27.34 | ompaul | they use different repos, have a concept of ppa we don't use that |
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| 17:29.37 | jhutchins_wk | I do seem to get headphone output, so maybe it's a hardware issue. |
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| 17:31.57 | daveee123 | ompaul: is there a way to make /packages exist? and why would manually entering the commands make it work? does a bash script use a different idk, i'm out of my league here |
| 17:32.20 | ompaul | daveee123: who wrote the script? |
| 17:32.24 | cariveri | ompaul: mtn so you guy tell me. if apt-get update leads to a segmentation fault, because ubuntu guys did something wrong with.. what exactely? packaging? then it is their fault? is this the intended behaviour of apt, when used in bas way? |
| 17:32.30 | daveee123 | ompaul: me |
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| 17:32.59 | ompaul | daveee123: hang on a second |
| 17:33.06 | mtn | cariveri: you have been told all you need to know: go to the #ubuntu channel. argueing isn't going to help. |
| 17:33.13 | daveee123 | ompaul: will do. i appreciate the help |
| 17:33.31 | ompaul | cariveri: they actually compiled it themselves ... so go for it and do what you must ... just not here |
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| 17:36.36 | ompaul | daveee123: ok, your first line after bin bash is a cache not install |
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| 17:37.25 | daveee123 | ompaul: yea. i did that just to see if i could get different output and see why the script couldnt find these things, but i could manually |
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| 17:38.11 | daveee123 | ompaul: it looks like bash is somehow using a different apt-get? or a different sources.list? |
| 17:38.11 | ompaul | I don't see the result of apt-get install foo from your script so I'm at a loss |
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| 17:38.28 | ompaul | daveee123: I don't see you using a different list |
| 17:38.32 | ompaul | daveee123: why sudo? |
| 17:38.46 | ompaul | if you did sudo -i at the top of the script it would run the rest as root |
| 17:39.58 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok. you do get what i am saying? i have used this script before, just fine. copying and pasting any line of code in the terminal works just fine. but for some reason, after the upgrade, it no longer works, as if apt-get cannot find the packages. but i know it can because of the copy and pasting directly into the terminal |
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| 17:40.38 | daveee123 | ompaul: and again, it has worked just fine before. even across distributions. |
| 17:40.40 | ompaul | daveee123: at the top of the script do cd /root |
| 17:40.54 | ompaul | or whereever your terminal is that you are running it from |
| 17:40.57 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok |
| 17:41.06 | ompaul | daveee123: that's the limit of what I can work out |
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| 17:42.51 | daveee123 | ompaul: didn;t change anything. thanks for the help. i realize some of the code may not work, some of the folders for mime have changed. but i cannot figure out why apt-get wouldnt work |
| 17:43.02 | daveee123 | ompaul: or why apt-get wont work, but only in the script |
| 17:43.10 | daveee123 | can anyone else help with this? |
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| 17:43.50 | ompaul | daveee123: I told you, an environmental var is that you seem to be calling an "install.sh" which I don't see referenced |
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| 17:44.56 | daveee123 | ompaul: install.sh is the name of the sh file. i type into the terminal "sh install.sh" |
| 17:45.14 | ompaul | daveee123: stick set -x in there |
| 17:45.28 | ompaul | daveee123: do chmod +x install.sh and ./install.sh |
| 17:46.18 | daveee123 | ompaul: "set -x" as it's own line in the file? |
| 17:46.30 | ompaul | daveee123: yes it is debug |
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| 17:47.27 | daveee123 | ompaul: maybe the new the header should not be #!/bin/sh ? |
| 17:48.25 | daveee123 | ompaul: i get "/bin/sh: 0: Can't open" |
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| 17:49.12 | ompaul | daveee123: /bin/bash |
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| 17:50.35 | daveee123 | ompaul: "install.sh: 2: set: Illegal option -" |
| 17:50.55 | ompaul | set -x |
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| 17:51.14 | daveee123 | ompaul: it's in there |
| 17:51.20 | ompaul | daveee123: /bin/bash? |
| 17:51.43 | ompaul | daveee123: run set -x in shell remove it from the script and see how you gio |
| 17:51.44 | ompaul | go |
| 17:51.58 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok |
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| 17:55.41 | daveee123 | ompaul: if i do this "./install.sh" i get ": No such file or directory" otherwise, no helpful output. for both commands, "sh" or"./" before install.sh, i get a "+ [whatever the command was]" but that is the only difference |
| 17:55.51 | Tylertwo | ompaul, I tried to reproduce the problem but for some reason it wasn't occuring, so I guess I'll wait until it happens again and then check syslog. |
| 17:57.08 | ompaul | daveee123: ls -al install.sh <<<< returns what |
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| 17:57.33 | daveee123 | ompaul: doing a dist-upgrade. i was hesitant, because that removed most of my desktop envronment last time, but i think i know better how to answer the y/n coin flips |
| 17:57.34 | ompaul | daveee123: also you should run that as root as it needs root for the commands so sudo is messy |
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| 17:58.36 | daveee123 | ompaul: -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2100 Oct 27 13:52 install.sh |
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| 18:00.08 | kryl | when I try to connect through openvpn with a PPP connection there is like a conflict under debian, how can I solve this problem pls ? |
| 18:01.24 | ompaul | daveee123: just a sec |
| 18:01.39 | daveee123 | om |
| 18:01.56 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok. i'll let you know how it goes after the "dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:02.25 | jmd | I'm getting these continual messages in syslog: |
| 18:02.26 | ompaul | daveee123: what does that mean? |
| 18:02.31 | jmd | Oct 27 19:00:41 jocasta kernel: [ 1116.544258] RPC: AUTH_GSS upcall timed out. |
| 18:02.31 | jmd | Oct 27 19:00:41 jocasta kernel: [ 1116.544266] Please check user daemon is running. |
| 18:02.37 | ompaul | daveee123: are you doing a d-u now? |
| 18:02.46 | jmd | Which daemon is it talking about? |
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| 18:03.36 | daveee123 | ompaul: yea, before that i had just changed my sources.list. last time i did a diet-upgrade i had some issues. but now that i am having issues, i figured i'd go for it. |
| 18:04.00 | ompaul | you d-u and then you fix stuff later |
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| 18:05.21 | dont-panic | changed my bios clock and my time is off now |
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| 18:05.51 | bbtech_ | Can I reinstall debian without losing my existing partitions and data in /home? |
| 18:05.59 | daveee123 | ompaul: ok. i just don't understand how a bash script, simply executing commands in the terminal is different than me executing command in the terminal. there is obviously a difference, i just don't know it yet |
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| 18:06.13 | dont-panic | bbtech_: yeah if you created a separate home partition |
| 18:06.39 | ompaul | daveee123: well I would do the following to that script I'll show you by editing your script back in a min or two |
| 18:06.40 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I did, do I have to select an advanced option from the boot cd or is it the normal install? |
| 18:07.13 | dont-panic | bbtech_: when you get to the partitioning spot that says guided or manual, you select manual |
| 18:07.24 | bbtech_ | dont-panic:ok, thanks! |
| 18:07.55 | daveee123 | ompaul: thanks. but it still bugs me that i know it should work. how does bash actually work? why would apt-get not find packages when the bash script executes it, but when i execute the command, it works fine? |
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| 18:08.26 | dont-panic | bbtech_: just select each partition and tell it what to be and when you get to the home partition make sure it doesn't have a F next to it... It should have a K I believe, or nothing |
| 18:08.51 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: ok I will look for that |
| 18:09.12 | dont-panic | if you have any trouble let me know |
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| 18:09.39 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: thanks! |
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| 18:10.59 | ompaul | daveee123: while I'd not do things that way here is what I would do http://paste.debian.net/62285/ that's my script I'd put it in /usr/local/bin I'd make it chmod +x and I'd run it as root if you use sudo before I run i I'd sudo -i and cd /usr/local/bin then ./install.sh that's it |
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| 18:12.57 | daveee123 | thanks ompaul |
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| 18:18.45 | daveee123 | ompaul:i am gonna check out another channel and see if i can find out why this wont work. i'll let you know what was going on |
| 18:19.15 | ompaul | set -x and run it --- if it can't find the shell then you are not where the shell is |
| 18:19.32 | ompaul | btw sh != bash |
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| 18:19.49 | ompaul | and that was one of the first things I told you |
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| 18:20.32 | daveee123 | ompaul: i got it. i want to understand what has changed and why what always worked, no longer does |
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| 18:23.00 | nongeek | hello all |
| 18:23.03 | nongeek | How are you? |
| 18:23.07 | nongeek | I want to configure ipsec, in apsec.secret file I see "your_pre_shared_key" , What is it? |
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| 18:24.50 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: it's now asking me for the partioning setup, it looks to me like I don't need to change anything |
| 18:25.05 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: keep the current partition and reinstall |
| 18:26.19 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: unless I need to tell it to first format the root partition |
| 18:26.47 | nongeek | any idea? |
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| 18:28.51 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I tried to move on without changing the partition it gave the error, "no root file system is defined, please correct" |
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| 18:29.22 | the__Dreamer | just installed nvidia-driver nvidia-xconfig |
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| 18:29.45 | ompaul | https://wiki.debian.org/IPsec |
| 18:29.51 | the__Dreamer | now getting error /libkmod/libkmod-module... could not find module name= nvidia_current |
| 18:29.59 | armin | ei pieh zeck |
| 18:30.08 | galex-713 | How can I change the keyboard layouts proposed at login? |
| 18:30.08 | ompaul | nongeek ^^ that link may help |
| 18:30.12 | the__Dreamer | fatal server error |
| 18:30.15 | galex-713 | On GDM3 |
| 18:30.18 | the__Dreamer | no screens found |
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| 18:30.40 | the__Dreamer | what did I do wrong |
| 18:30.44 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: now I'm going to delete the root partition |
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| 18:31.51 | Sazpaimon_ | does anyone know the performance difference between raid10 over mdadm versus lvm? and does grub2 support booting either without a seperate /boot partition? |
| 18:32.08 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I deleted and recreated the root partition but it is still complaining that I haven't defined the root partition....not seeing that option |
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| 18:32.40 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm under the assumption that mdadm will be more performant compared to lvm because of how mature it is, but I'd like to see if anyone has actually compared the two |
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| 18:33.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sazpaimon_: you can use both |
| 18:33.08 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: ok I found it |
| 18:33.17 | bbtech_ | should my root partition be ext4? |
| 18:33.26 | Sazpaimon_ | Eduard_Munteanu, I'm aware I can use both |
| 18:33.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | bbtech_: most likely |
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| 18:33.39 | Sazpaimon_ | my question is, is the striping/mirroring of lvm better or worse than mdadm's? |
| 18:33.49 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks |
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| 18:34.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sazpaimon_: IIRC there are some differences due to the default block size, but they should be mostly equivalent. Well, except LVM is more flexible. |
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| 18:35.33 | Sazpaimon_ | so what's the benefit of lvm over mdadm raid10 rather than doing straight lvm raid10 |
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| 18:35.59 | Italo | hello all |
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| 18:36.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sazpaimon_: an obvious one is you can partition it |
| 18:36.11 | Italo | how may I read images from nokia 6630 in debian 6.06 amd64? |
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| 18:36.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sazpaimon_: secondly, PVs can be resized, moved, reallocated etc. |
| 18:37.20 | bbtech_ | so, if I want to reinstall without overwritting my /home partition, do I select "do not use" when setting up the partitions in the installer? |
| 18:37.34 | bbtech_ | or do I define it as the /home partition? |
| 18:37.47 | bbtech_ | I'm affraid defining it as the /home partition will overwrite it |
| 18:37.50 | Sazpaimon_ | okay, well that brings me to my second question. Will grub2 support booting either setup in raid10 mode without having a seperate /boot partition |
| 18:37.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | bbtech_: there's a "format this partition" entry, check that |
| 18:38.26 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: it says "no, keep existing data" |
| 18:38.36 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: and mount point = "none" |
| 18:38.49 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: should I change the mount point to /home? |
| 18:39.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sazpaimon_: not sure about GRUB2, but normally I'd say you can't. Why not make a boot partition? GRUB2 often needs a BIOS boot partition as well, on GPT. |
| 18:39.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | bbtech_: I'd keep it set to none to be sure |
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| 18:40.20 | Sazpaimon_ | Eduard_Munteanu, I'm thinking of doing an efi setup, actually |
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| 18:40.27 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: it looks good to me, it shows two fields, format partion=no & mount point=/home (I told it the mount point) |
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| 18:40.38 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: still think I should hold off on telling it the mount point? |
| 18:40.54 | bbtech_ | What does teh K, f, F mean for the partition? |
| 18:40.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | bbtech_: I'm unsure, it might try to create a user there at least |
| 18:41.11 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: oh, good point |
| 18:41.28 | bbtech_ | Eduard_Munteanu: so, I could always add it to fstab after the fact, I guess |
| 18:41.34 | Sazpaimon_ | and I'd like to not have to deal with an initrd |
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| 18:43.24 | jalt | hi, how can i reinstall a package+dependencies and overwrite all config files, including profile-specific ones, with the packaged versions? (x/l)ubuntu 13.10 x86, #ubuntu was not helpful... |
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| 18:43.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sazpaimon_: depending on your risk aversion factor, you might want btrfs. I remember reading GRUB2 has *some* support for it. |
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| 18:44.22 | Sazpaimon_ | looks like grub2 has an mdraid module, so it might actually be supported |
| 18:44.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Since btrfs can do RAID-like stuff. |
| 18:45.48 | Sazpaimon_ | risk is not a huge deal, in fact, I was thinking of doing straight 4 disk raid0 if it werent for the fact that restoring backups is tedious |
| 18:46.06 | Sazpaimon_ | the data isn't mission critical, just looking more at performance |
| 18:47.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, be careful with btrfs then, it doesn't always deliver performance consistent / better than ext4. |
| 18:47.52 | bbtech_ | Would be cool if the installer could mount the /home partition and not overwrite the existing user....I'm not brave enough to try it to find out what it does. |
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| 18:48.16 | Sazpaimon_ | I'll do some experiments with grub2 and see if it can work with raid10 in a single partition setup, then try lvm on top of that |
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| 18:50.03 | dont-panic | bbtech_: you run into trouble? |
| 18:50.20 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: just was a little confused with the partitioning screen |
| 18:50.34 | dont-panic | bbtech_: did you figure it out? |
| 18:50.36 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I choose to format/repartition the root and swap and nothing else |
| 18:50.42 | Italo | how may I read images from nokia 6630 in debian 6.06 amd64? |
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| 18:51.03 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I wasn't sure what would happen if I told it to mount /home and not partition it |
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| 18:51.19 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: we were worried that the installer would overwrite the user directory with a new user |
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| 18:51.40 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: any idea what it would do if I had mounted /home with the installer? |
| 18:51.44 | Italo | the kernel don't see sdb drive, only lsusb see the phone |
| 18:51.49 | dont-panic | bbtech_: you just select /home and ext4 or whatever fs you want to use and make sure it doesn't say format for the home partition |
| 18:52.01 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: ok, so it would have been safe |
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| 18:52.17 | dont-panic | bbtech_: it should only tell /etc/fstab to mount it as home |
| 18:52.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | What's a good, free dyndns-like service that's supported in Debian as a service? |
| 18:52.36 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: but doesn't it try to create the user and user directory as well? |
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| 18:53.47 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: so if /home/bbtech exists in the partition and I told the installer to setup an account "bbtech"....will it be nice or overwrite the user entirely? |
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| 18:55.00 | dont-panic | bbtech_: it'll leave whatever you have in your home directory in your home directory |
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| 18:55.08 | bbtech_ | My assumption was it would be nice....but I didn't want to chance it. I figure I can just delete the /home directory after installation and then mount the /home partition |
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| 18:55.32 | dont-panic | if you make your username bbtech_ and tehres a /home/bbtech_ folder it'll use that as your user directory |
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| 18:55.58 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: hmm, maybe I should go back and mount that it in the installer then |
| 18:56.06 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I think I can still get back to that option |
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| 18:57.14 | dont-panic | bbtech_: everytime I've done this, it hasn't been an issue.. the only issue is what files I have in my home directory... like when I switched from xubuntu to ubuntu and it kept my color scheme from .config/gtk-2.0 |
| 18:57.14 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: ok, I just mounted the /home partition in the installer |
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| 18:57.23 | dont-panic | bbtech_: make sure it doesn't have a F |
| 18:57.27 | dont-panic | next to it |
| 18:57.38 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: it didn't |
| 18:57.49 | dont-panic | all the other ones do though right? |
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| 19:00.16 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: no, actually they all have K's in front of them now |
| 19:00.36 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I'm going through them and clicking 'erase' for the /root and swap |
| 19:00.52 | dont-panic | bbtech_: there should be an option that says format: or something |
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| 19:01.46 | dont-panic | bbtech_: you'll wanna make sure the / and /swap are both set to erase and the /home says K or whatever |
| 19:02.27 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: ok, I'm currently erasing on the /, it's slow. It said something about writting random data so that might be why. |
| 19:02.52 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: yes, /home does have a K (for keep) |
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| 19:03.03 | dont-panic | bbtech_: what are you installing? |
| 19:03.26 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: debian |
| 19:03.33 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: wheezy |
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| 19:04.09 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I somehow messed up the package manager in regards to the fglrx drivers |
| 19:04.22 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: fought it for a while last night and decided today it would be easier to reinstall |
| 19:04.38 | dont-panic | bbtech_: yeah, but which wheezy install, cd? netinstall? |
| 19:05.01 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: cd |
| 19:05.35 | dont-panic | hmmmm I've never used that version. expert install or graphical? |
| 19:05.48 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: graphical |
| 19:06.06 | bbtech_ | the erase is painfully slow, 25% |
| 19:06.16 | dont-panic | I've never seen how it rewrites, but its probably doing /dev/random |
| 19:06.22 | bbtech_ | 10GB partition |
| 19:06.26 | dont-panic | geeze |
| 19:06.34 | bbtech_ | :-) |
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| 19:07.11 | bbtech_ | I hit cancel |
| 19:07.35 | bbtech_ | looks like that was enought to give it an F |
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| 19:07.41 | bbtech_ | lol, I just did a partial erase |
| 19:07.50 | dont-panic | if its doing dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda bs=4096 it'll take time |
| 19:08.03 | dont-panic | full erase is crazy |
| 19:08.10 | bbtech_ | yeah, I didn't need a secure erase |
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| 19:08.30 | dont-panic | secure might even do /dev/random 6 or 7 times |
| 19:09.10 | bbtech_ | right, it was slow enough that it may have been doing that |
| 19:09.12 | dont-panic | I know some gov't programs use /dev/zero and /dev/random back and forth like 6 times each before destroying or reusing the drive |
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| 19:09.32 | SpeedyG | Hi, are there any good how-to's on how to apply full-disk encryption to an already installed debian system? most tutorials/how-to's I can find so far are regarding encryption during installation |
| 19:09.51 | bbtech_ | but easy method is select "erase, hit cancel" and then it puts an F by the partition :-) |
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| 19:10.16 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: biosgrub and lvm are set to K |
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| 19:10.34 | dont-panic | biosgrub? |
| 19:11.09 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: it's a 1 MB partition |
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| 19:11.37 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: is my 3TB partition for /home, /, and /swap |
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| 19:11.49 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: LVM is my 3TB partition for /home, /, and /swap |
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| 19:12.20 | bbtech_ | and then there is a 1 MB bios grub partiion, a 1MB FREE SPACE and a 466.4kb FREE SPACE |
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| 19:13.56 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: it says biosgrub "Reserved BIOS boot area" |
| 19:14.05 | bbtech_ | I'm thinking I can probably leave it alone |
| 19:14.36 | dont-panic | no clue what that is |
| 19:15.00 | bbtech_ | it was probably created by the guided installer from the first install |
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| 19:15.19 | bbtech_ | I'll leave it alone for now and assume it is used in the boot process, where grub resides? |
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| 19:16.31 | bbtech_ | sad, it now says "and installation step failed, failed to configure the package manager" |
| 19:16.43 | bbtech_ | maybe because I hit back in the middle of the installer |
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| 19:16.51 | bbtech_ | ok, I'm rebooting and starting the installer over |
| 19:18.16 | dont-panic | grub is in /boot/grub |
| 19:18.53 | dont-panic | I usually make 250mb /boot, 30G /, 4G swap and the rest /home |
| 19:19.11 | boudiccas | how can i install a 64bit programme onto a 32bit system, which i could run 64bit if i wanted to, and installed the binarys |
| 19:19.19 | bbtech_ | yeah, I didn't make my original / big enough at 10G |
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| 19:20.26 | dont-panic | bbtech_: you'll have to see what the minimum is, I use netinstall and the base install for that is under 1G |
| 19:20.27 | horst2 | you can't run 64Bit on an 32bit system, try ./configure; make |
| 19:21.01 | boudiccas | horst2; wont work, theres only 64bit-binaries available for debian |
| 19:21.16 | dont-panic | boudiccas: 32bit and 64bit are different with the way they handle memmory, you have ot have 64bit system for a 64bit package |
| 19:21.23 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I believe the 10GB was the default for the guided install but I was at 9GB used last I checked |
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| 19:21.43 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: I used LVM though so I should be able resize /home and give / a bit more |
| 19:21.49 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: when I figure out how to do that |
| 19:22.02 | horst2 | I mean use the source and compile it as 32bit and it will work again. |
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| 19:22.09 | dont-panic | bbtech_: are you doing a virtual machine install? and why so small? lol |
| 19:22.14 | boudiccas | 64bit can install and run 32bit, does it work the other way round as well? |
| 19:22.28 | dont-panic | boudiccas: no |
| 19:23.07 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: not a virtual machine, it's on a 3TB drive I just used the default with the guided install when I first setup this box |
| 19:23.38 | dont-panic | hmmm weird |
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| 19:24.20 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: looks like I don't have a boot partition... so it will just use / |
| 19:24.29 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: is there much advantage to a /boot partition? |
| 19:24.47 | dont-panic | bbtech_: not much but it does keep the files separate |
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| 19:25.48 | dvs | or encryption, so i'VE HEARD |
| 19:25.53 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: should / be ext4? |
| 19:25.54 | horst2 | bbtech_: With grub2 you may use other filesystem on root as you may on /boot |
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| 19:26.32 | bbtech_ | horst2: so maybe a faster file system for /boot for the specific purpose? |
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| 19:30.18 | bbtech_ | I have 18GB for swap |
| 19:30.34 | bbtech_ | maybe I should make my /home use the swap space and swap use the /home space |
| 19:31.08 | bbtech_ | dang I said that wrong |
| 19:31.11 | bbtech_ | but I know what I meant :-) |
| 19:31.27 | hoolyt | how to remove packages that failed to install in apt-get? |
| 19:31.41 | intore | hi, I'm not sure to ask in the correct channel. In case please tell me which is correct! I need to open a file from terminal using gedit and this file in on a server with samba. I configured the access to this folder with my username and password and I'd like to write in the command line the username and the password to open this file but i don't know the options. Do you know the way to do it? |
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| 19:32.06 | bbtech_ | there now my / is at 18GB instead of 10GB :-) |
| 19:32.32 | hoolyt | I tried to install something but many of its dependencies failed to install (due to low RAM) |
| 19:32.54 | nkuttler | intore: sounds like you want to mount the filesystem |
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| 19:33.11 | hoolyt | now, whenever i want to install something new, it attempts to install the old packages first |
| 19:33.15 | dont-panic | bbtech_: why 18g for swap? |
| 19:33.20 | hoolyt | and fail |
| 19:34.21 | intore | nkuttler, true! i need to mount that fs before |
| 19:34.31 | nkuttler | !tell intore about cifs |
| 19:34.35 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: again the defaults |
| 19:34.43 | hoolyt | how to reset apt-get? |
| 19:34.50 | nkuttler | intore: install cifs-utils and check the man page for proper syntax + credentials |
| 19:35.14 | intore | thank you nkuttler |
| 19:35.16 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: now I'm trying to figure out how to rename the LVM volumes because I reversed swap and / |
| 19:35.20 | dont-panic | hoolyt: sudo apt-get auto-remove |
| 19:35.26 | dont-panic | I think? |
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| 19:36.29 | hoolyt | dont-panic: not working, it still tries to install packages from old operation |
| 19:36.39 | vixxo | hi guys, i'm trying to download 7.2 netinstall from the default mirror but It is very slow, there is no torrent for the netinstall image, do you have any alternative mirror ? |
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| 19:36.50 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: is it easy to rename a LVM partition after I finish installing? |
| 19:37.18 | nkuttler | vixxo: try a local mirror? |
| 19:37.22 | ompaul | vixxo: hit http://ftp.heanet.ie if your isp is ok that should be fast anywhere in the northern hemisphere |
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| 19:38.36 | xand | vixxo: there's lots of mirrors |
| 19:39.04 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: looks like lvrename will do it for me |
| 19:39.22 | bbtech_ | ok moving on, I'll rename it afterwards |
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| 19:39.38 | dont-panic | lvrename? |
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| 19:39.57 | bbtech_ | well, it was a centos readme so maybe it doesn't exist on debian |
| 19:40.00 | dont-panic | does that rename the /dev/sda6 to /dev/sda2? |
| 19:40.03 | dont-panic | like that |
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| 19:40.34 | relipse | how do i add a new user on debian (with prompts) |
| 19:41.02 | relipse | is that "useradd" ? |
| 19:41.14 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: yes |
| 19:41.32 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: guess not what I wanted |
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| 19:42.13 | relipse | adduser |
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| 19:43.42 | ompaul | relipse: you can use either |
| 19:43.57 | ompaul | relipse: you should TIAS and then know what either does |
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| 19:44.13 | relipse | actually useradd is messed up |
| 19:44.17 | relipse | adduser is much easeir for newbiews |
| 19:44.32 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: looks like this might do it: lvrename -a -n |
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| 19:45.15 | bbtech_ | dont-panic: might have to boot to a live cd to change the lv name |
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| 19:45.47 | bbtech_ | I keep making my job harder but I'm learning a lot this way :-) |
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| 19:50.35 | anddam | I'd need to proxy a local server _and_ websockets, can you suggest me something that is in wheezy? |
| 19:51.05 | hoolyt | how to remove all not fully installed packages? |
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| 19:53.09 | vixxo | nkuttler, ompaul I can't find the .iso in the mirrors... |
| 19:54.34 | nkuttler | vixxo: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/, there's even a torrent |
| 19:55.10 | nkuttler | vixxo: fwiw, paths should be the same on all mirrors |
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| 19:58.50 | bbtech_ | darn, installation step failed "select and install software" |
| 19:59.02 | bbtech_ | trying again |
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| 20:00.39 | Sazpaimon_ | is there a way to get rsync to only copy files from the source if they were modified or created past a certain date? |
| 20:00.52 | Sazpaimon_ | (and don't exist on the destination) |
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| 20:02.12 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm copying over a live filesystem of a website that allows user uploads, and I'll be making some changes on the new machine it's copying over to, so while that's happening, I'd like to sync up any new files from the old machine without breaking anything i changed on the new one |
| 20:02.15 | hoolyt | ? |
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| 20:03.03 | bbtech_ | failed again |
| 20:03.15 | bbtech_ | checking cdrom integrity |
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| 20:04.32 | bbtech_ | corrupt cd rom |
| 20:04.47 | vixxo | nkuttler, thank you mabe I'm tired but i totally missed that :) |
| 20:04.47 | bbtech_ | windows! |
| 20:05.17 | nkuttler | vixxo: np :) go get some sleep |
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| 20:05.53 | dvs | bbtech_: Can't boot off of USB? |
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| 20:06.18 | bbtech_ | dvs: oh, I guess I'm an old timer, didn't consider it |
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| 20:06.41 | bbtech_ | dvs: but can you burn an ISO to a usb? |
| 20:07.03 | dvs | bbtech: From Windows? win32diskimager can! |
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| 20:07.32 | bbtech_ | dvs: oh my windows box is a different box...I'm burning the cd from that box and then sticking it in my linux box |
| 20:07.46 | bbtech_ | dvs: oh, sorry I read your response wrong |
| 20:08.31 | bbtech_ | I'll give the CD one more chance |
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| 20:12.59 | cafuego | bbtech_: There's a few tools to turn an ISO into a bootable usb stick. |
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| 20:15.55 | bbtech_ | I'm checking cd rom integrity first this time :-) |
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| 20:16.49 | we6jbo__ | Hi |
| 20:16.59 | derdon | hello. Is it still recommended to not mix the usage of apt-get and aptitude? I know this advice from ages ago when I used Debian the last time |
| 20:17.18 | we6jbo__ | I always use both. Why not? |
| 20:17.21 | dvs | derdon: No, they use the same database now. |
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| 20:17.41 | derdon | dvs: thanks |
| 20:17.47 | dvs | no prob |
| 20:17.59 | uberdub | this sucks, I might have to go back to ubuntu |
| 20:18.04 | bbtech_ | I thought manual vs automatic install was listed different when using aptitude vs apt-get? |
| 20:18.26 | bbtech_ | is a noob so I'm probably wrong |
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| 20:19.45 | uberdub | most everything in jessie works fine, but for some reason my ping times are like 5-15s. whether wifi or ethernet |
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| 20:21.34 | bbtech_ | uberdub: do you have a good ping to your router or inside your network? |
| 20:21.57 | uberdub | one sec ill ping the gateway |
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| 20:24.45 | digdilem | the suspense... |
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| 20:25.06 | uberdub | 8013ms |
| 20:25.40 | uberdub | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.220/1.910/3.550/0.705 ms |
| 20:25.40 | cafuego | Where is the gareway? The L1 lagrange point? |
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| 20:26.08 | uberdub | the adress or physical location? |
| 20:26.12 | cafuego | Um, how does that make 8013? |
| 20:26.44 | uberdub | .... |
| 20:26.52 | digdilem | 1.9 ms avg |
| 20:26.56 | uberdub | hence my quandry |
| 20:26.59 | rawfodog | I have a drive that is encrypted with LVM. This is an old sata drive which I am going to put in a friends laptop (theirs broke). They want windows on it so whatever I'm going to do that for them. Thing is, I cant seem to boot off of expternal media with it plugged in. Should I boot a live cd with gparted and wipe the drive ? Will that work ? |
| 20:27.17 | uberdub | 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 8013ms |
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| 20:27.22 | anddam | I remember there were at least two packages that could manage software built from source in /usr/local but I don't remember the names and cannot find them on web, any hint? |
| 20:27.27 | cafuego | uberdub: Oh I see. Yes. |
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| 20:27.39 | cafuego | uberdub: The command took 8 seconds. |
| 20:27.41 | digdilem | uberdub, that's total time, not a ping time |
| 20:27.43 | cafuego | uberdub: The pings did not. |
| 20:27.45 | uberdub | ahh |
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| 20:27.59 | cafuego | Just look at the averages, they're fine. |
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| 20:28.08 | cafuego | Well, fine if that's wifi. |
| 20:28.13 | uberdub | still cant get pages to load very well to look at bandwidth |
| 20:28.28 | uberdub | yeah g wifi |
| 20:28.54 | cafuego | Wired I'd expect to be .080 ms or something |
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| 20:29.12 | uberdub | yeah |
| 20:29.36 | cafuego | Where in the world are you, roughly? WHich side of which continent? |
| 20:29.54 | uberdub | modem gui says im gettin 10k kbps |
| 20:30.06 | uberdub | Arizona |
| 20:30.14 | cafuego | Oooh nice |
| 20:30.26 | uberdub | yeah its a nice state |
| 20:30.33 | dvs | get'em Walt! |
| 20:30.34 | cafuego | You might try this with wget as a rough speed test: http://speedtest.fremont.linode.com/100MB-fremont.bin |
| 20:30.47 | cafuego | visited Sedona earlier in the year |
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| 20:31.36 | uberdub | I think my java config is screwing up speedtest.net |
| 20:31.42 | uberdub | i hate java |
| 20:31.50 | uberdub | sedona is awesome |
| 20:31.58 | uberdub | nothing else like it on earth |
| 20:32.12 | uberdub | about as close to mars on earth as it gets |
| 20:32.41 | cafuego | weeeeelll.... |
| 20:32.47 | cafuego | is in Australia |
| 20:32.55 | derdon | wow, this looks indeed nice: http://www.sedonacam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/sedona-sunrise.jpg |
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| 20:33.03 | uberdub | yeah unique environments there too |
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| 20:33.54 | cafuego | derdon: Yup, been there ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/cafuego/8747290453/ |
| 20:34.30 | cafuego | uberdub: If you wget -c that 100MB link I pasted, you'll get a decent enough stab at download speed ... without Java. |
| 20:34.32 | uberdub | not even australia has red rock like sedona |
| 20:34.44 | uberdub | ok give me a sec |
| 20:34.45 | cafuego | uberdub: Yeah we do :-) |
| 20:34.50 | uberdub | pics |
| 20:34.57 | uberdub | :) |
| 20:34.59 | derdon | cafuego: this is the exact same space! how coincidental! |
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| 20:35.35 | cafuego | uberdub: Same *kind* and colour: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata_Tjuta |
| 20:35.50 | cafuego | uberdub: Not the same formations, of course. Ours are a billion or so years older ;-) |
| 20:36.34 | uberdub | is that near medicine wheel in sedona? |
| 20:36.35 | cafuego | derdon: My hosts insisted I climb up there ... and quite a lot of people do. |
| 20:37.10 | cafuego | uberdub: The wiki page? That's in Australia, near Uluru (Ayers Rock) |
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| 20:41.22 | uberdub | yeah thats similar |
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| 20:41.35 | uberdub | the soil doesnt looks as red |
| 20:41.42 | uberdub | but the rocks do |
| 20:42.07 | cafuego | Oh but is is... pretty much the whole interior is bright red (except for the yellow bits) |
| 20:42.21 | uberdub | cool |
| 20:42.41 | uberdub | sedona is very rocky too..yeah |
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| 20:43.04 | uberdub | different terrain |
| 20:43.47 | acu | I have two NICs on one machine - one goes to LAN (192. etc) other goes to WAN (24. etc..) - I used to know how to make them use their own gateway etc. - did not document it - and here I am - any hints ? |
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| 20:45.51 | Tylertwo | I've got a process called "dhclient" running. This seems to be something only needed for servers, so I'd be ok removing it? |
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| 20:46.29 | uberdub | dhclient? |
| 20:46.42 | uberdub | do you use a static connection? |
| 20:46.55 | Tylertwo | that might be short for |
| 20:46.55 | Tylertwo | DHCP_Client |
| 20:46.56 | peterrooney | Tylertwo: no, you would not. |
| 20:47.21 | uberdub | yeah no |
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| 20:47.41 | uberdub | unless youre noit using dhcp |
| 20:47.46 | acu | !routing |
| 20:47.46 | dpkg | i heard routing is the Advanced Routing which can be found at http://lartc.org/ - all sorts of howtos and samples |
| 20:47.57 | acu | !route |
| 20:47.57 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
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| 20:48.35 | Tylertwo | uberdub, yeah I think I have a static connection |
| 20:49.25 | peterrooney | The only situations where it's OK to remove it are when your IP address is set manually or you don't want network connectivity. If you "think" you have a static connection, leave it be. |
| 20:49.44 | Tylertwo | gotcha, ty |
| 20:50.17 | relipse2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:50.45 | uberdub | manually/static for a static config your ip stays set, and doesnt change |
| 20:51.09 | uberdub | no dhcp lease |
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| 20:52.02 | Tylertwo | I think my IP stays the same when using my home network, but it'd prolly change if I used a different network. |
| 20:52.05 | uberdub | you would know if you have a static ip, cause you would of had to set it. Unless you arent the admin |
| 20:52.19 | Tylertwo | yeah i didn't set it |
| 20:52.51 | uberdub | its probably dynamic then if you are admin, and didnt set it |
| 20:53.11 | Tylertwo | yeah, im admin |
| 20:53.25 | uberdub | default is dynamic |
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| 20:54.06 | relipse2 | where are the apache error logs in debian |
| 20:54.39 | dont-panic | what can I install to make mounting drives easier? I'm running a pretty minimal install from netinstall |
| 20:54.44 | Tylertwo | ok sounds like I have a dynamic ip then, thx |
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| 20:57.53 | uberdub | relipse2: have you tried /var/log? |
| 20:58.12 | relipse2 | uberdub, nm i found it |
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| 21:02.47 | one_tkbx | what are firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 21:03.14 | demonkeeper | firmwares? |
| 21:03.34 | one_tkbx | is it safe to remove them? vrms says they're nonfree |
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| 21:03.51 | demonkeeper | Well. You answered that yourself. |
| 21:03.58 | one_tkbx | ah |
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| 21:04.00 | one_tkbx | :P |
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| 21:09.34 | [4mat] | Can someone provide me with a step by step guide on howto emdebian grip <-- not an advance user. Thank you :) |
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| 21:10.21 | ompaul | !emdebian |
| 21:10.49 | [4mat] | !emdebian |
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| 21:11.10 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:11.17 | acu | ok, any hints about proper routing through differnet gateways with two NICS ? - I remember it was something about priority etc |
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| 21:12.04 | ompaul | route add 192.168.0.0/16 gw eth0 and then something like route add default for the rest of the box |
| 21:12.54 | horst2 | The first gateway point to the second gateway. |
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| 21:13.35 | ompaul | eh you need do check ipforwording in syscontrol |
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| 21:14.50 | nrubsig | Hi! |
| 21:15.07 | magnetophon | nrubsig: helllo |
| 21:15.16 | nrubsig | Are there some package maintainers around who can help a bit setting a box up for package development ? |
| 21:15.56 | magnetophon | nrubsig: it helps if you have a specific question |
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| 21:17.00 | horst2 | There is a debian handbook out with a howto of setting up a debian package#. |
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| 21:17.37 | nrubsig | magnetophon: Erm... I've been politely tasked to setup a development machine for someone (olga Kryzhanovska) who should take over the "ksh" package from Oliver Kiddle |
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| 21:17.40 | nrubsig | (http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/ksh.html) |
| 21:17.50 | nrubsig | since she's sick |
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| 21:18.32 | nrubsig | and before I spend half the night picking the wrong Debian release to set-up the box it would be better to ask first before doing something stupid |
| 21:18.55 | nrubsig | e.g. first question for tonights mayhem is... which version is the right one ? |
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| 21:19.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nrubsig about nmg |
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| 21:22.30 | nrubsig | abrotman: erm... thanks... but... the question remains... |
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| 21:23.09 | demonkeeper | nrubsig: All development is exclusively focused on Debian Sid. |
| 21:23.15 | nrubsig | or to make it short&&dumb: If a package targets unstable I can just pick the "unstable" ISO and install that on the development machine, right ? |
| 21:23.24 | Diren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.40 | nrubsig | Diren: ?! |
| 21:24.06 | Diren | nrubsig eyy |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | nrubsig: did you actially read that document? |
| 21:24.16 | abrotman | actually |
| 21:24.25 | nrubsig | yes |
| 21:24.32 | abrotman | Diren: do you need help with debian? |
| 21:24.36 | nrubsig | abrotman: I just want to be sure |
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| 21:24.48 | abrotman | nrubsig: then ask that way |
| 21:25.26 | Diren | abrotman no thanks |
| 21:25.44 | abrotman | Diren: then please be quiet |
| 21:26.25 | Diren | peki |
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| 21:26.45 | abrotman | Diren: this vhsanne |
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| 21:27.11 | nrubsig | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso is Debian "SID" ? |
| 21:27.14 | abrotman | Diren: this channel is for debian support, perhaps try #defocus for general chatter |
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| 21:27.34 | abrotman | nrubsig: no |
| 21:29.27 | nrubsig | abrotman: well... I went to http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ , clicked on the Download link in the page's footer and found that link... |
| 21:29.33 | nrubsig | diggs more around |
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| 21:30.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Can you make a specific NTFS drive automount and allow users to unmount it, with ntfs-3g, if there's a fstab entry? |
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| 21:32.56 | nrubsig | abrotman: RTFM: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._How_do_I_install_.22unstable.22_.28.22sid.22.29.3F (short: xx@@!!! ... ;-( ) |
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| 21:37.29 | nrubsig | Eduard_Munteanu: no clue... but at least on Solaris the automounter supports scripts and the Linux automounter AFAIK supports something similar |
| 21:37.29 | nrubsig | Eduard_Munteanu: (I know... this is not very helpfull... but I touched Debian around eight years ago... which is more or less the difference between dinosaurs and mammals) |
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| 21:38.02 | frikinz | why not setting up a chroot with sid inside if you still want to keep your own debian on the stable branch? |
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| 21:38.43 | ompaul | nrubsig: debian to sid this is the suggested route - install stable, dist-upgrade, change to testing, d-u and again change to sid and d-u |
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| 21:40.03 | cusco | hi |
| 21:40.13 | cusco | recommended sip softphone in debian? |
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| 21:40.33 | ompaul | !asterisk |
| 21:40.34 | dpkg | Asterisk is an open source, cross-platform telephone Private Branch Exchange (PBX). It can be used with VoIP and PSTN services. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+FAQ http://www.asterisk.org/ #asterisk on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:40.38 | cusco | lol |
| 21:40.42 | demonkeeper | wrong end. |
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| 21:40.50 | ompaul | doh |
| 21:40.52 | cusco | I use asterisk |
| 21:40.56 | ompaul | head desks |
| 21:40.56 | cusco | but on the server |
| 21:41.00 | cusco | so I wan't to connect ot it... |
| 21:41.13 | cusco | helps ompaul heading his desk |
| 21:41.36 | demonkeeper | cusco: ekiga, or anything you like from http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Open+Source+VOIP+Software |
| 21:41.37 | ompaul | cusco: try this instead apt-cache search softphone |
| 21:41.42 | cusco | I did |
| 21:41.48 | cusco | I used to use twinkle |
| 21:42.15 | cusco | believe me, my asterisk knowledge goes at a great length... |
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| 21:42.39 | cusco | I guess I'm going to try linphone |
| 21:43.26 | nrubsig | frikinz: I'm using VMware anyway and run seperate machines for different tasks |
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| 21:45.16 | acu | OK, so I can get into the box from the LAN by typing the public IP address which is on the NIC which connects to internet - however, I cannot ping or connect to this machine from outsite of the LAN using the public IP address - this is at leasw weird |
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| 21:47.37 | frikinz | acu: very common actually. you either need to have the machine declared in the DMZ or forward specific ports.. |
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| 21:48.04 | level7 | hi all |
| 21:48.14 | frikinz | depends on the routing logic on the router |
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| 21:48.37 | level7 | any debian + WINE appliance or distro? I mean something that I will not get crazy to setup with WINE |
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| 21:49.27 | acu | frikinz, the modem is set as bridge and this box is connected through one of the NIC straight to the modem (again which is in bridge mode) |
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| 21:50.31 | frikinz | nrubsig: higlhy depends on the task around maintaining a package. the benefit of having a default debian sid is that you will not forget any dependency when distributing your package. for ksh, you probably won't need any new dependency anyway? There might be some debian tools to maintain this. I'm doing it manually but that's not very clean :S |
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| 21:51.59 | nrubsig | frikinz: I don't know. Olga's goal is to revamp the package from scratch and get it at least to a functional level which Sun managed to do in the OpenSolaris PSARC2006/550 architeture case... which coincedentally brings it in functional parity with busybox, too |
| 21:52.13 | frikinz | acu is the bridge really between internet and the lan? or rather bridge between 2 lan ports? |
| 21:52.22 | nrubsig | and fixes a lot of stupid bugs, too |
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| 21:53.49 | frikinz | pppoe bridge maybe |
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| 21:54.38 | acu | I have already another router connected to the external modem - and it works fine |
| 21:54.38 | frikinz | nrubsig: revamp a package from scratch. so you'll need a deep understanding of the current state.. |
| 21:54.52 | nrubsig | erm |
| 21:55.26 | nrubsig | the current state is a mess. It's old and even lacks basic configuration for the Linux environment. |
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| 21:55.41 | nrubsig | and it crashes like hell... which is likely a compile issue |
| 21:56.26 | frikinz | indeed, last commit to sid in January.. |
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| 21:57.06 | naptastic | Is there an installer for Jessie, or do I *have* to install Wheezy and then dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:57.26 | brian23 | guys i need some help with http://pastebin.com/UzUygs9v wireless adapter, on rasbian. i think i need to compile the drivers from source but, that is beyond my know how |
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| 21:58.03 | horst2 | try using debootstrap |
| 21:58.44 | frikinz | brian23: you asked in #raspbian? |
| 21:58.49 | calisto | any know a p2p chat program gnu or free license? |
| 21:59.17 | brian23 | frikinz yeah that channel is like a graveyard |
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| 22:00.25 | frikinz | brian23: sometimes indeed. especially on sundays ;) try at different times, there a few skilled persons. you're probably not the only one with that apdapter. |
| 22:00.50 | rmacd | Made a checkinstall/.deb of dovecot a while back, now decided to move onto backports binaries rather than continuing to build my own packages. Did a dpkg -i before installing the dovecot bpo package but I think I've fucked up. -V still gives me my own binary. Any reason dpkg wouln't have removed bins properly? |
| 22:00.57 | mtn | calisto: google this: p2p chat program gnu |
| 22:01.19 | iceroot | what was the program called (gui) which will start an installation process when double clikcing on a deb file? |
| 22:01.31 | brian23 | frikinz ok lol, i just figured that compileing a kernel module would be the same with rasbian/debian |
| 22:02.12 | frikinz | brian23: in theory yes. do they provide kernel headers? |
| 22:02.13 | mtn | iceroot: gdebi isn't it? |
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| 22:02.44 | iceroot | mtn: thank you, that was the program |
| 22:02.56 | brian23 | yeah i tryed with just the headers but i think ill need to recompile the whole thing |
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| 22:05.00 | frikinz | brian23: isn't that ath9k_htc? |
| 22:05.30 | brian23 | frikinz nope its an ralink |
| 22:06.00 | brian23 | frikinz RT3573 |
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| 22:06.15 | frikinz | ok |
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| 22:06.39 | brian23 | i wish it was an athros 9000 lol |
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| 22:09.36 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know how can I list the individual size of each deps from a given package using apt? |
| 22:10.48 | frikinz | brian23: I've had an atheros usb stick using ath9k_htc and it didn't worked perfectly... although it was mentionned as working perfectly everywhere.. |
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| 22:12.44 | brian23 | frikinz: i have had great luck with my onbord atheros9k seems to just work by default, another nice thing about it, it supports packet injection :) |
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| 22:13.07 | justaguy | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 22:13.11 | frikinz | brian23: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942689&page=13&p=12662940#post12662940 ? looks indeed problematic. |
| 22:13.13 | justaguy | wait, mips/mipsel |
| 22:13.25 | justaguy | So you can run debian on a router |
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| 22:14.10 | abrotman | is that a question or statement? |
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| 22:14.18 | justaguy | question |
| 22:14.41 | justaguy | because I only saw mips/mipsel on routers, dunno if it's used somewhere else |
| 22:14.56 | brian23 | frikinz: yeah ndiswrapper dose not work, i have read that thread already haha |
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| 22:15.40 | brian23 | frikinz: man i have read everything i could find |
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| 22:15.58 | frikinz | brian23: it mentions "with ndiswrapper uninstalled". i'll never advise installing ndiswrapper ;) |
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| 22:17.06 | tux1986 | can anybody help me by making deb file with alien it says me the rpm i use is for amd64 but there source files only in it and i don't know to handle that |
| 22:17.17 | frikinz | brian23: in that case, #linux-wireless could be helpfull if you give your pastebin. |
| 22:17.24 | ompaul | !alien |
| 22:17.25 | dpkg | well, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 22:17.41 | brian23 | frikinz: alright man maybe ill be back |
| 22:19.00 | ompaul | tux1986: you should ask those guys, bottom line it's not a good idea - why - well it breaks things you get libc differences or what you got - errors - you can't usually just take X and run it on Y you can take the source of X and compile it on Y as long as you can install the parts it needs these things don't exist in a vacuum |
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| 22:20.58 | ompaul | tux1986: also if it is available for .rpm what is it, it may exist on debian |
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| 22:22.33 | tux1986 | its a driver for some epson printer thats available only as i386 and amd64 binary package for debian and as source rpm and i need arm or source package |
| 22:23.41 | ompaul | so explode the source package with rpm yum-utils - Utilities based around the yum package manager |
| 22:25.59 | tux1986 | can i do that on debian or do you mean on redhat or something like that? |
| 22:27.45 | ompaul | tux1986: that is a debian tool so I guess to imply you should be able to install it and read some man page |
| 22:28.40 | ompaul | tux1986: you wouldn't think of looking for the binary of the debian package |
| 22:28.49 | ompaul | tux1986: you wouldn't think of looking for the source of the debian package |
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| 22:32.49 | bbtech_ | Well, this is a new one, my computer is hanging just after the bios. I can't seem to get it to boot from a CD or the Disk. this is after reinstalling wheezy. |
| 22:32.51 | brian23 | frikinz: when running make i get http://pastebin.com/WaTqDZMA |
| 22:33.07 | bbtech_ | no error messages just a black screen |
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| 22:33.45 | bbtech_ | I tried reseting the cmos/bios which didn't change anything |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | again? |
| 22:34.20 | bbtech_ | abrotman: talking to me? I've been fighting this computer for too long now :-) |
| 22:34.29 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I'm going to win though! |
| 22:35.12 | abrotman | good plan |
| 22:35.33 | bbtech_ | never seen a computer freeze after the bios |
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| 22:36.24 | bbtech_ | says it detects my cd-rom and then goes black and freezes (ctrl+alt+del - doesn't work) |
| 22:37.09 | teus_ | i copied my root partition to an SSD. i installed grub. i can boot GRUB on the SSD, but it only shows windows 7 on my laptop. it doesnt show debian on the normal disk, nor on the SSD. what now? |
| 22:37.37 | dont-panic | anyone know how to get a ps3 controller working in debian? |
| 22:37.41 | teus_ | i know my way around grub1, its easy, but im lost with grub2 |
| 22:37.42 | Nik05 | teus_ start debian with grub |
| 22:37.55 | Nik05 | then update-grub |
| 22:38.25 | teus_ | boot debian on the normal disk? |
| 22:38.28 | teus_ | or on the SSD |
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| 22:39.25 | frikinz | brian23: yes, this build link should point to the kernel headers. which looks not present on your device |
| 22:39.42 | abrotman | dont-panic: did you even try to ask google ? |
| 22:39.45 | teus_ | ok i think i got it |
| 22:39.58 | frikinz | brian23: that's whay I have: build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.11-trunk-686-pae |
| 22:40.53 | bbtech_ | so a freeze immediately after the bios...that's got to be a bios issue, right? where I can't boot from a cd or disk. |
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| 22:41.29 | teus_ | Nik05: update-grub finds the SSD debian on the mechanical disk |
| 22:41.41 | teus_ | when i chroot into the SSD debian, update-grub wont find itself |
| 22:41.57 | atari314 | guys, where should I report a huge dependency bug on the reps? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/jwm that is a extremely simple WM is requiring iceweasel as a dependency. |
| 22:42.08 | brian23 | frikinz: hold on a sec i got someone on #raspbian saying im makeing this too comlicated lool |
| 22:42.39 | dont-panic | abrotman: yeah, I'm still googling... there doesn't seem to be an easy answer to this.. .I've never got this working before but I've tried several times |
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| 22:43.40 | justaguy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:43.59 | the__Dreamer | anyone know why I can no longer install google-chrome on a brand new wheezy install? all sorts of dependency issues? |
| 22:44.02 | justaguy | What is the difference between CD-1 , CD-2, CD-2 , ... |
| 22:44.19 | bbtech_ | kind of funny how my black screen as progressively gotten worse the more I work on it |
| 22:44.24 | bbtech_ | *has |
| 22:44.28 | ctmjr | bbtech_, disconnect all devices , eject any cd's then do a hard reset see if it will post |
| 22:44.43 | bbtech_ | ctmjr: ok, good idea |
| 22:45.47 | abrotman | justaguy: different packages on each CD |
| 22:45.55 | abrotman | the__Dreamer: chromium ? |
| 22:46.02 | Nik05 | atari314 report a bug for that packages |
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| 22:46.20 | the__Dreamer | chromium has its own issues, no, google-chrome |
| 22:46.37 | bbtech_ | ctmjr: you are a genious! |
| 22:46.44 | abrotman | you'd have to ask them I suppose, or give us more info |
| 22:46.47 | atari314 | Nik05, looks like someone already did (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693606) 1 year ago, ouch, no fix :S |
| 22:46.54 | bbtech_ | ctmjr: I unplugged 5 usb cords and now it's booting off of the cd |
| 22:46.55 | justaguy | abrotman: what would be the best CD number for a laptop |
| 22:46.56 | Nik05 | lol |
| 22:47.15 | Nik05 | atari314 NMU |
| 22:48.41 | abrotman | justaguy: CD1 |
| 22:48.44 | Nik05 | atari314 if you still want to use it, install a package that provides www-browser |
| 22:48.56 | ctmjr | bbtech_, glad to help |
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| 22:49.10 | atari314 | Nik05, can I grab the unstable .deb and just dpkg -i it? |
| 22:49.23 | Nik05 | the unstable is fixed? |
| 22:49.23 | atari314 | Looks like they one on unstable was fixed |
| 22:49.31 | atari314 | yup |
| 22:49.43 | Nik05 | well wouldnt do that, just install links or something |
| 22:49.55 | Nik05 | links is really small |
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| 22:50.10 | atari314 | Nik05, will do that, tks :) |
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| 22:57.30 | bael | Hi, how do I lock my users to theire homedirs? |
| 22:58.32 | bbtech_ | I like the normal install over the gui it feels faster |
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| 22:59.19 | themill | bael: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 23:00.40 | bael | themill: I want to add some users to my debian server but I dont want them to read etc other files in filesystem. I want them stuck in the homedir or maybe strip them of read right on all folders except theire own folder /home/user/* |
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| 23:01.32 | emss | bael chroot |
| 23:01.51 | bael | emss: something like this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-rssh-chroot-jail-setup.html ?? |
| 23:02.23 | themill | bael: what are they supposed to be able to do within this setup? |
| 23:02.40 | themill | and what are you trying to prevent them from doing? |
| 23:03.14 | koshie | Hi, I'm trying to set up NFS on a server @home, but when I try to mount the hard drive through the network it seems to have a problem into /proc/mounts: The hard drive i'm trying to connect is in ro, and I can't edit this file. How am I supposed to do, please? |
| 23:03.21 | koshie | Even in root it says it's a ro file. |
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| 23:03.53 | bael | I dont want them to read my config files etc.. I even have some personal information stored on one of the drivers |
| 23:04.30 | abrotman | drivers? |
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| 23:05.39 | bael | harddrive / disk .. tierd :) |
| 23:05.43 | emss | koshie /proc/* is mostly ro do you mean /etc/fstab ? |
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| 23:06.08 | koshie | emss: I wasn't meaning fstab but I'm on it right now, that's what I'm supposed to be the good way. |
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| 23:06.16 | koshie | (sorry for my english btw) |
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| 23:10.16 | emss | koshie have you `man 5 nfs'? |
| 23:10.39 | koshie | emss: I'm on nfs.sourceforge right now, but I'll do that, thanks |
| 23:10.57 | koshie | But for now I'm trying to correctly mount a NTFS hard drive on my server... Doesn't seems to want. |
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| 23:11.35 | emss | koshie there is probably a howto or something on debian's website on the wiki ... |
| 23:11.51 | koshie | emss: I've followed a link from wiki.debian.org :) |
| 23:11.58 | bael | themill: I dont want them to read my config files etc.. I even have some personal information stored on one of the drive's |
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| 23:14.35 | emss | bael you want to setup a chroot |
| 23:15.27 | abrotman | not being able to read config files causes other issues |
| 23:15.41 | bael | emss: ok thanks bro. Will this do the job? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-rssh-chroot-jail-setup.html |
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| 23:19.03 | themill | bael: unix permissions already deal with this. All chrooting will do is prevent your users from doing things they should be able to do. |
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| 23:21.55 | bael | themill: cant I create a group and give that group read/write access only to e.g homedir? And then add ppl to that group? :) Why do I need to this chrooting thing? It should be easier? :) |
| 23:22.23 | themill | bael: yes, you should use groups and permissions for this. You don't need a chroot. |
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| 23:22.34 | atari314 | Guys, does anyone know a very light alternative to gmrun (or fbrun)? |
| 23:22.45 | bael | themill: Any example? =) |
| 23:22.57 | themill | bael: users already only have write access to $HOME /tmp and /var/tmp. They have read access to the files you give them |
| 23:23.55 | abrotman | atari314: whihc do what? |
| 23:23.57 | bael | themill: I dont want them to read anything else them $HOME. How can I do this? =) |
| 23:24.08 | themill | bael: they have to be able to |
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| 23:24.47 | bael | themill: e.g I have a mounted drive under /media/* and I have 10 GB of photos. So they have to be able to see my photos? :) |
| 23:24.53 | themill | no |
| 23:25.27 | themill | You need to set appropriate permissions on /media/disk |
| 23:26.42 | atari314 | abrotman, an applicantion launcher, similar to fluxbox's fbrun or the gnome gmrun (where you can exec inline commands) |
| 23:27.21 | bael | themill: create a group and give that group ownership of that folder? Then no other users who's not member of that group will be able to read data there? |
| 23:27.28 | abrotman | atari314: probably depends on which WM/DE you use |
| 23:27.34 | abrotman | not sure why you need an alternative though |
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| 23:29.29 | emss | atari314 bbrun grun ... a terminal? |
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| 23:30.02 | emss | kde4 has one Alt+F2 |
| 23:31.55 | atari314 | emss, grun did the trick, tyvm sir :D |
| 23:32.02 | themill | dpkg: tell bael about permissions |
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| 23:36.41 | bael | themill: thanks themill |
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| 23:42.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is ohci_hcd taking over and forcing USB devices into 1.x modes a known wheezy issue? |
| 23:43.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm pondering on blacklisting it but I'm not sure that's the right approach. |
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| 23:43.51 | abrotman | did you check your kernel logs? |
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| 23:44.37 | Perdouille | Hello ! |
| 23:44.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: yes, not much except stuff like 'not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub' |
| 23:45.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | There used to be a warning about loading ohci_hcd before ehci_hcd, according to Google, but I can't find any. |
| 23:45.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Perdouille: hi |
| 23:46.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: did you have something in particular in mind? |
| 23:46.15 | Perdouille | I got Archlinux, and I need Debian on a chroot, so I've followed this french tutoriel on the official wiki : https://wiki.debian.org/fr/Debootstrap , but now I can't do anything : ls isn't even found, and when I try to install something with aptitude : http://pastie.org/private/5ufge4phgrabtin6esslg |
| 23:46.25 | Perdouille | (tried with aptitude and apt-get too) |
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| 23:46.36 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: just to look for errors relating to drivers |
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| 23:47.09 | abrotman | Perdouille: did it not install coreutils ? |
| 23:47.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: ah, I did, not much. I manually unloaded both hcds and loaded ehci_hcd, then ohci_hcd, in that particular order things work. |
| 23:47.28 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: also note, on some laptops, not all usb ports are created equally |
| 23:47.30 | Perdouille | "coreutils is already the newest version." |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | Perdouille: echo $PATH ? |
| 23:47.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: nah, not a laptop, just an older desktop |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: be the same problem |
| 23:47.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Perdouille: sounds like you didn't mount /proc et al |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: i think my last laptop had three usb1 ports, and two usb2 ports |
| 23:48.49 | Perdouille | root@ArchLinux:/# echo $PATH |
| 23:48.49 | Perdouille | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl |
| 23:48.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: still, if I load ehci_hcd first, I do get USB 2 speeds |
| 23:49.01 | Perdouille | Eduard_Munteanu: How did I mount /proc ? |
| 23:49.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Perdouille: don't they tell you to mount -t proc none /path/to/chroot/proc before chrooting? |
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| 23:50.35 | Perdouille | [root@ArchLinux:/] LC_ALL=C mount proc $MY_CHROOT/proc -t proc |
| 23:50.36 | Perdouille | mount: proc is already mounted or /opt/debian/proc busy |
| 23:50.36 | Perdouille | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.36 | Perdouille | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.44 | Perdouille | Oops |
| 23:50.55 | Perdouille | http://pastie.org/private/gulay1hxpusbav3jlpbhq |
| 23:51.00 | Perdouille | sorry |
| 23:52.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Perdouille: after you chroot, did you source /etc/profile ? |
| 23:52.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | *chrooted |
| 23:52.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | That should set up the proper env instead of Arch's. |
| 23:53.28 | Perdouille | I did this command in the chroot yes |
| 23:54.37 | Perdouille | my /etc/environment is empty, it's normal ? |
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| 23:55.25 | abrotman | which one? the Arch one or the Debian one? |
| 23:55.44 | Perdouille | Both |
| 23:55.50 | abrotman | in Debian, not normal |
| 23:56.40 | Perdouille | Maybe someone got a beter tutorial for chrooting debian in another Linux, I can retry from scratch ? |
| 23:56.53 | Perdouille | (English or french) |
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