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| 00:25.00 | Moonlightning | If I'm writing a Python 3-only script, what shebang line should I use? |
| 00:25.22 | Moonlightning | There isn't a /usr/bin/python3 symlink, and `#!/usr/bin/env python3` generates a no-such-file-or-dir error. |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | is python3 installed at all? |
| 00:26.06 | Moonlightning | Yes. |
| 00:26.21 | Moonlightning | There's a /usr/bin/python3.1 |
| 00:26.32 | Moonlightning | I don't need it to be specifically 3.1, though…just 3. |
| 00:27.30 | Moonlightning | (Homebrew provides python2 and python3 symlinks, btw) |
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| 00:33.38 | Perdouille | Okay, so I must do PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin before every commands |
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| 00:33.47 | Perdouille | What can I do to fix it ? |
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| 00:35.42 | peterrooney | Perdouille: export PATH |
| 00:36.40 | Perdouille | ok thanks |
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| 00:37.34 | reavengreyttman | Perdouille: also look at ~/.bashrc and ~/.profile |
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| 00:38.35 | Moonlightning | Perdouille: (at least in newer versions of bash|zsh,) you can simply `export PATH=...` |
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| 00:39.02 | Moonlightning | Go ahead and stick that line in one of your startup files, as reavengreyttman suggested |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | Moonlightning: it's a chroot |
| 00:39.37 | Perdouille | export path work, but I must re-set it everytime I restart the chroot, so I added the PATH= in the .bashrc |
| 00:39.40 | Perdouille | and It's working, thanks |
| 00:40.02 | Perdouille | you think I can install X on the chroot, and start it on tty2 ? |
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| 00:40.12 | Perdouille | or it's impossible ? |
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| 00:40.14 | Moonlightning | abrotman: why wouldn't .bashrc work in a chroot? :) |
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| 00:42.25 | abrotman | dirty! |
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| 00:43.36 | Moonlightning | abrotman: huh? |
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| 00:55.40 | bbtech_ | I just installed fglrx, rebooted and now I'm getting a message firmware: agent aborted loading rtl_nic/rtl18168e-3.fw (not found?) |
| 00:55.51 | bbtech_ | did installing fglrx make that driver disappear? |
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| 00:59.53 | abrotman | doubtful, just install the firmware package |
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| 01:00.32 | dvs | why.... which one abrotman???? |
| 01:03.40 | cusco | what is that debian for nas disks called? |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | cusco: Debian? |
| 01:06.36 | cusco | based on debian? :/ |
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| 01:08.23 | bbtech_ | abrotman: thanks, just installed realtek-firmware |
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| 01:08.32 | bbtech_ | abrotman: first reboot hung on a stuck cpu #0 |
| 01:08.36 | bbtech_ | rebooting again |
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| 01:09.26 | bbtech_ | now it is stuck at a blinking cursor...probably the fglrx driver I just installed |
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| 01:10.54 | bbtech_ | hmm, this should have worked, clean reinstall with fglrx followed by aticonfig --initial. |
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| 01:11.17 | bbtech_ | My graphics card is supported based on the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 01:11.21 | bbtech_ | I have a 7970 |
| 01:11.28 | bbtech_ | HD 7970 |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | that wiki page has nothing to do with drivers you download from ati.com |
| 01:12.01 | bbtech_ | wait unless I'm reading the wiki wrong |
| 01:12.10 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I installed via package manager |
| 01:12.15 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 01:12.18 | bbtech_ | non-free |
| 01:12.30 | bbtech_ | the wiki says it supports HD 7000 |
| 01:12.49 | bbtech_ | I'm not sure if that means HD 7XXX or just 70XX |
| 01:13.08 | bbtech_ | just looked at AMD my card is listed under HD 7000 series |
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| 01:13.12 | bbtech_ | so I should be good |
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| 01:15.08 | abrotman | told you last night, I don't use those drivers, can't help |
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| 01:16.02 | ctmjr | did you create the xorg.conf file and put fglrx just going by memory have not used ati in years |
| 01:16.06 | bbtech_ | yup, I'm not using them very well either |
| 01:16.32 | bbtech_ | ctmjr: I ran aticonfig --initial but it looks like it didn't create the xorg file |
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| 01:16.39 | bbtech_ | probably forgot to add sudo to it |
| 01:16.42 | bbtech_ | I'll try that |
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| 01:17.22 | ctmjr | i think you need to add -force to it read the man page |
| 01:17.29 | bbtech_ | sudo worked |
| 01:17.32 | bbtech_ | rebooting now |
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| 01:18.08 | bbtech_ | yup that was all it was |
| 01:18.19 | bbtech_ | forgot to add the sudo to the command |
| 01:18.44 | bbtech_ | I was thinking the worst since I was fighting this so much yesterday |
| 01:18.46 | bbtech_ | lol |
| 01:18.49 | bbtech_ | thanks for the help! |
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| 01:21.34 | brian23 | is frikinz around? |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | brian23: is it not something someone else could help you with? |
| 01:22.22 | brian23 | i wanted to let him know of my success |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | he's still here, you can just leave him a note, his lastlog should get it |
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| 01:24.40 | dD | I'm trying to shrink an encrypted partition with fdisk, but when trying to resize, I cannot make my starting block be the same as my original starting block inside of my encrypted logical volume. I tried using DOS compatibiliy mode and I still can't do it. Is there anything else I can try? |
| 01:25.42 | brian23 | frikinz after taking on a few other channels i learned that the kernel i was using was out of date, i am now useing another kernel with make && make install i now have an ra0 in ifconfig |
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| 01:44.49 | brian23 | i win :) http://paste.debian.net/62429/ |
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| 01:58.15 | shellox | good morning |
| 01:59.34 | brian23 | hola |
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| 02:03.28 | shellox | I try to preseed mysql on debian, but I've little success. The preseeding step itself runs without errors, but if I use the root password set in the preseed file and try to login with 'mysql -u root -h localhost -p' and the password i get access denied |
| 02:03.34 | shellox | any ideas why? |
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| 02:05.14 | shellox | aww fuck, nevermind I figured it out :D |
| 02:06.02 | shellox | mysql-server/root_password_againpassword somepass |
| 02:06.19 | shellox | it had a leading whitespace and I thought it will ignore it |
| 02:06.21 | mcurran | I'm compiling the new kernel and I accidentally deleted the dkms.conf file when trying to clean up. Does anyone know how/where I can get a new one back. |
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| 02:07.51 | buu | !java |
| 02:07.52 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:14.42 | mcurran | should i just symlink /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf to the src? |
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| 02:17.21 | ung | I'm trying to get a good coding font in Eclipse, I use KDE and if I try popular fonts like Incosolata, Source code pro, it looks very bad (very hard for eyes). There must be something wrong. The AA setting is turned on, anyone have an idea please? |
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| 02:18.40 | ung | sometimes, it don't even choose correctly the font, I choose a regular font, and it locks to the "light" version |
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| 02:23.38 | jordanm | !tell ung about crosspost |
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| 02:25.04 | abrotman | Eclipse is java, not sure how that affects it |
| 02:25.32 | ung | jordanm: it's 2 different servers, one with 1372, the other with 568. Even if some are probably on both, it is not crossposting .. |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | ung: most people are in both, it's crossposting, and not appreciated |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | and he's getting help on OFTC, so no need to help him here |
| 02:26.49 | ung | okay |
| 02:27.17 | ncp | OFTC? |
| 02:27.32 | ung | (official debian server) |
| 02:27.39 | ncp | thanks :) |
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| 02:28.02 | abrotman | not "official" |
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| 02:29.43 | jordanm | abrotman: how is it not official, doesn't irc.debian.net resolve to otfc? |
| 02:29.51 | edward1 | hola a todos |
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| 02:31.25 | abrotman | jordanm: when it moved, there was some statement of some sort that there is no real "official" channel, heck if I know |
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| 02:32.57 | abrotman | in reality, it's not that important if it exists or not, there are multiple #debian channels on various irc networks |
| 02:34.22 | Konomi | I wonder why iceweasel is determined to constantly use 8-20% of my cpu while it does nothing at all but idle |
| 02:34.48 | klys | the most official #debian that I know, is on the debian irc documentation reference to irc.debian.org. oftc is a different matter. |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | Konomi: Adobe Flash installed ? |
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| 02:34.59 | Konomi | installed not in use |
| 02:35.04 | Konomi | and it runs in the plugin container |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | klys: right "most official" .. that's the point |
| 02:35.12 | Konomi | so not sure how it would show usage on iceweasel itself |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | Konomi: Ads, etc |
| 02:35.20 | Konomi | it's worse on my netbook |
| 02:35.22 | Konomi | adblock installed |
| 02:35.26 | Konomi | they're not working |
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| 02:35.40 | abrotman | so uninstall Adobe Flash, see i fthe problem goes away |
| 02:35.41 | Konomi | and on my netbook I have 4 websites open constant 20% |
| 02:36.21 | klys | konomi: your site is probably using RESTful javascript |
| 02:36.37 | superstraw | Konomi: try about:blank ? |
| 02:36.45 | Konomi | checking |
| 02:36.59 | Konomi | after I purge the non running flash plugin ofc |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | or try your browser in safe mode instead |
| 02:38.33 | Konomi | 20% again |
| 02:38.34 | Konomi | exactly |
| 02:38.44 | Konomi | on no loaded pages but the front page that iceweasel presents |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | safe mode? |
| 02:39.41 | superstraw | does iceweasel update in the background like firefox does? like when you look at the help - about section? |
| 02:39.50 | Konomi | safe mode worksright |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | so it's one of your plugins perhaps? |
| 02:40.02 | Konomi | 0.0% in htop |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | such as adblock or Flash |
| 02:40.05 | Konomi | or an extension maybe |
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| 02:40.12 | Konomi | time to disable one at a time yay |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | plugin/extension, yes |
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| 02:43.32 | Konomi | 1 click youtube downloader apparently |
| 02:43.34 | codepython777 | I've a debian guest machine that does not receive a RST Packet. The windows host does receive it. Any ideas how to debug this? Either vbox drops the packet or debian does. I doubt windows drops it, since i can sense it using shark on windows. |
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| 02:55.58 | klys | codepython777: does eth0 have an ip address, is lo 127.0.0.1 also localhost and your hostname in /etc/hosts, does `hostname' return your hostname, does that match /etc/hostname, is the ip of the windows machine listed in /etc/hosts.allow, do both eth0 and lo have network addresses in `route -n' ? |
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| 02:59.05 | codepython777 | klys: yes. yes. yes. No the ip of the windows box is not listed in hosts.allow. But the widows machine is itself dhcp. route -n has 2 lines as output. |
| 02:59.45 | codepython777 | klys: The network as is works. Just that wget/curl on a particular url hangs. That is what i am trying to debug. Seems like a FIN/RST packet does not reach the guest machine. (Either firewall or some other issue) |
| 03:00.54 | klys | codepython777: route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo; do the same for eth0 |
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| 03:02.21 | codepython777 | klys: http://bpaste.net/show/3C2qsoKnZthX14fDFOHu/ - route -n |
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| 03:04.05 | klys | codepython777: route del -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev eth0 |
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| 03:04.19 | Nashenas | Quick question. I'm not sure if this is available in debian or not, but I know I've used this in some distro before. There's a shell command to pick which version of a command you want run when you type something. For example, typing emacs would pick either emacs23 or emacs24 based on what I've selected previously |
| 03:04.39 | Nashenas | The name defaults or configs comes to mind, but I can't remember it enough to google it. All searches are just too generic |
| 03:04.53 | klys | update-alternatives |
| 03:05.06 | Nashenas | klys, thank you SOOO much |
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| 03:06.26 | klys | codepython777: I also suspect your win32 pc has 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 routes. |
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| 03:08.44 | codepython777 | yes |
| 03:08.51 | codepython777 | I think so |
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| 03:09.08 | codepython777 | 10.0.0.3 subnet mask = 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:09.49 | klys | codepython777: 10.0.0.0 or 10.0.2.0 |
| 03:10.07 | codepython777 | 3 |
| 03:10.20 | klys | I mean the network addy |
| 03:12.01 | codepython777 | klys: http://bpaste.net/show/p2S7LZvEfgu65x4ghIoj/ -windows ipconfig |
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| 03:13.51 | bbtech_ | I just did a lvrename and now grub can't find the partition when booting....where is the grub config file to fix that? |
| 03:13.53 | klys | codepython777: win32 will need a route to 10.0.2.x or debian will need a route to 10.0.0.x |
| 03:14.24 | dvs | bbtech_: /etc/default/grub |
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| 03:15.05 | Konomi | abrotman klys superstraw thanks for the help |
| 03:15.07 | Konomi | before I forget |
| 03:15.31 | codepython777 | klys: "wget google.com"from debian works - so my dhcp is working, right? |
| 03:16.19 | klys | the thing is, I don't see how 10.0.0.3 or 10.0.2.x are going to ping each other |
| 03:16.24 | bbtech_ | dvs: I'm not seeing any reference to the LVM in /etc/default/grub |
| 03:17.16 | dvs | bbtech_: How about in /etc/grub.d? |
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| 03:18.14 | bbtech_ | dvs: nope, I looked there first |
| 03:18.24 | dvs | dunno then |
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| 03:19.19 | klys | what is lvrename |
| 03:19.38 | klys | rename logical volume for LVM raid ? |
| 03:19.59 | bbtech_ | online people are saying to modify the file /boot/grub/grub.conf but I don't have that file |
| 03:20.29 | brian23 | dose anyone here have experience with bridge-utils? |
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| 03:20.59 | deltaray | Is there someplace where I can see how a debian package was compiled? |
| 03:21.11 | deltaray | Specifically, the maildrop package. |
| 03:21.16 | codepython777 | klys: Doesnt virtualbox takes care of that? |
| 03:21.35 | codepython777 | They just communicate using a driver on windows. They dont need to ping each other, right? |
| 03:21.53 | buu | Ok |
| 03:22.08 | buu | How do I get /etc/ld.so.conf.d to be read/executed? |
| 03:22.25 | klys | if you mean `reachable to recieve a packet' then yes connectivity is your problem, not virtualization |
| 03:22.49 | buu | Obviously /etc/ld.so.conf includes ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 03:23.00 | buu | But when I attempt to execute an executable its not finding the libraries |
| 03:23.15 | klys | grub.cfg is from grub-mkconfig "do not edit this file" |
| 03:23.24 | buu | Do I have to restart the system or something? |
| 03:23.44 | klys | ldconfig |
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| 03:23.55 | buu | ah |
| 03:24.08 | buu | You are a hero. |
| 03:24.17 | klys | yer welcome |
| 03:26.13 | buu | oh god |
| 03:27.16 | linux-fox | is there not maraidb in the debian repository? |
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| 03:29.50 | SPF | linux-fox: if you referring to mariadb, no |
| 03:29.59 | klys | deltaray: apt-get install dpkg-dev; pushd /usr/src; wget http://debian-mirror/debian/pool/main/l/package/package_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz; wget http://debian-mirror/debian/pool/main/l/package/package_1.2.3-4.patch; tar zxpvf package_1.2.3.tar.gz; cd package-1.2.3; patch -p0 < ../package_1.2.3-4.patch; chmod +x debian/rules; dpkg-buildpackage; apt-get install build-dep-dev build-dep-dev build-dep-dev build-dep-dev; dpkg-buildpackage; less |
| 03:30.27 | SPF | !tell linux-fox about mariadb |
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| 03:32.08 | dsockwell | !tell dsockwell about mariadb |
| 03:32.30 | linux-fox | SPF: i want to know how to use dpkg to tell someone something |
| 03:32.41 | lavamind | hello, could anyone explain why there is a conflict between libopus0:i386 and libopus:amd64 ? the package's bug tacker provides no answer |
| 03:32.57 | lavamind | that is, between libopus0:i386 and libopus0:amd64 |
| 03:33.01 | lavamind | on testing |
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| 03:33.34 | klys | lavamind: get the files list for them from packages.debian.org; diff or compare to make sure it wouldn't overwrite |
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| 03:33.57 | SPF | linux-fox: I just did with tell, you can also pm dpkg to get information |
| 03:34.37 | lavamind | klys, oh there it is... so that's a package that's not been multiarch'd yet ? |
| 03:35.06 | klys | a.f.a.i.k. |
| 03:35.44 | bbtech_ | when I reboot it takes me to the grub rescue prompt with an error no such disk. I know how to manually fix the issue by pointing the prefix & root to the correct lvm. But how do I make it permanent? |
| 03:35.49 | linux-fox | SPF: please tell me , how use dpkg bot to help someone |
| 03:36.24 | klys | anything you can do from the grub> prompt you can do from /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:36.41 | bbtech_ | klys: I don't think I have that file |
| 03:37.08 | klys | bbtech: is /boot mounted |
| 03:37.11 | SPF | linux-fox: dpkg has a huge dictionary about a lot of things, also packages. You needed to know more about mariadb, I checked if dpkg had this knowledge and I passed it onto you |
| 03:37.25 | SPF | I have to go, AFK |
| 03:37.37 | lavamind | klys, alright well thanks, I will try installing the libs manually |
| 03:37.52 | bbtech_ | klys: nope, that is what the problem is |
| 03:38.18 | themill | deltaray: http://pts.debian.net/media/packages/m/maildrop/rules-2.2.0-3.1 |
| 03:38.32 | klys | bbtech: then please specify how you got it to work starting with root= |
| 03:38.35 | bbtech_ | klys: I can get it mounted by changing it's location in grub with the command set prefix=(user-PC-root)/boot/grub |
| 03:38.56 | linux-fox | SPF: what is the programmar about tell dpkg? |
| 03:39.18 | linux-fox | !tell linux-fox about mariadb |
| 03:39.29 | klys | !factinfo mariadb |
| 03:39.30 | dpkg | mariadb -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@gsimmons.org> at Tue Feb 9 04:33:46 2010 (1356 days); it has been requested 27 times, last by linux-fox, 10s ago. |
| 03:39.31 | bbtech_ | klys: so, I issue 4 commands in grub: set prefix(Brett-PC-root)/boot/grub; set root=Brett-PC-root; insmod normal; insmod |
| 03:39.58 | bbtech_ | *set prefix=(Brett-PC.... |
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| 03:40.44 | bbtech_ | klys: before those commands root=Brett-PC-swap_1 |
| 03:41.09 | klys | bbtech_ If I saw that I would scroll up and look for Brett-PC-root |
| 03:41.12 | bbtech_ | klys: I did an lvrename to change the name to what it really was |
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| 03:41.56 | bbtech_ | klys: scroll up in what? those command were all in the grub> prompt |
| 03:42.07 | klys | was lvrename also there |
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| 03:42.52 | bbtech_ | klys: after I issue those commands it takes me to the grub screen where I can hit "e" and manually change the names again. Then it boots normal |
| 03:44.09 | linux-fox | !tell linux-fox about mysql |
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| 03:46.24 | klys | bbtech_ all I can tell you is that you should edit menu.cfg from linux. cat /proc/filesystems to see if your disk is supported. |
| 03:46.47 | bbtech_ | klys: I was able to get my grub menu to be permenant but it still takes me to the grub prompt where I issue those 4 commands |
| 03:46.58 | linux-fox | !tell linux-fox about install mysql |
| 03:47.05 | ctmjr | !tell linux-fox about msg the bot |
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| 03:47.50 | linux-fox | ctmjr:thank you |
| 03:47.52 | bbtech_ | klys: I don't have a menu.cfg or menu.lst |
| 03:49.23 | bbtech_ | klys: I ran update-grub to get a grub.cfg in /boot/grub/ |
| 03:49.49 | klys | bbtech_: if you put menu.lst (*I meant .lst) in grub/ it will show you a menu at boot. the menu.lst file can be as simple as title=defaullt; (your commands here) //where ; is a \n newline |
| 03:50.35 | bbtech_ | klys: I have a menu at boot, gives me two options normal or rescue mode |
| 03:51.00 | klys | have you been able to pull up that menu file from linux ? |
| 03:51.16 | bbtech_ | klys: I think you are giving me directions for grub and they changed it for grub2 (at least that's what I'm reading on google searches) |
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| 03:51.41 | klys | menu.lst is all the same |
| 03:51.48 | bbtech_ | klys: I'm not sure what you mean "from linux", it pulls up when the computer first boots (normally) |
| 03:52.02 | bbtech_ | klys: currently it pulls up after I type the 4 commands in the grub> prompt |
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| 03:52.54 | klys | bbtech: do you have /dev/sda1 mounted |
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| 03:53.49 | bbtech_ | klys: yes, I have 3 lvm partitions based on /dev/sda1 that are currently mounted |
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| 03:55.16 | klys | bbtech_: if you can see grub/stage2 than that grub/ can give you the prompt. |
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| 03:56.17 | bbtech_ | klys: to add menu entries I would need to modify the file /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
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| 03:56.32 | ryclik | Hi. Can someone help me figure out why xrandr won't detect all of my connected displays? |
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| 03:57.03 | ryclik | xrandr 1.4, maybe something to do with the fact I'm using DVI to VGA adapters? |
| 03:57.26 | bbtech_ | dang, I'm in over my head on this one |
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| 03:58.07 | klys | ryclik do you have dmesg | grep fb1 or are you using Xorg for your graphics card |
| 03:58.57 | Narcarsiss | Im using Debian 7.0.0 Desktop, I am having an issue Installing Sun Java Development Kit. So far i have Downloaded the JDK~!.tar.gz i have extracted them to /usr/lib/jvm when i run update-alternatives --display java and only gij-4.7 is detected and thus im now stuck. |
| 04:00.23 | klys | narcarsiss: openjdk ? are you running wheezy |
| 04:00.54 | Narcarsiss | Yes wheezy. no to Open JDK actually want the Sun version |
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| 04:02.08 | klys | ~tell narcarsiss about pdo |
| 04:02.16 | themill | klys: wrong bot. Still. |
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| 04:02.58 | nate1 | Sorry needed a reconnect |
| 04:03.05 | themill | Narcarsiss: there's nothing wrong with openjdk-7-jdk -- it's the reference implementation and works just fine. |
| 04:04.08 | Narcarsiss | themill: seems im getting a lot of performance related issues with OpenJDK compared to the desktops Sun Version |
| 04:04.24 | themill | Narcarsiss: which version of openjdk? |
| 04:04.52 | Narcarsiss | Latest one with Debian 7.0.0 Todays install. |
| 04:04.54 | themill | also, gij-4.7 ≠openjdk |
| 04:05.11 | themill | Narcarsiss: there are 3 (at least?) java implementations in wheezy. |
| 04:05.22 | Narcarsiss | Ik, i removed OpenJDK in hope of fixing the install issue with sun version |
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| 04:08.25 | bbtech_ | darn I never thought a lvrename would cause these issues with grub - live and learn |
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| 04:08.44 | bbtech_ | the error that grub gives is "no such disk" |
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| 04:10.46 | klys | bbtech: sounds like grub2 or grub was on /dev/sda1 without a menu before you split it into volumes/ |
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| 04:11.23 | bbtech_ | klys: wasn't that complex. The menu worked fine and booting was fine until I did a lvrename on the root partition |
| 04:12.18 | bbtech_ | klys: now grub is not able to find the grub folder because it is looking for the old partition name |
| 04:12.26 | klys | then it was grub2. I still think it isn't in lvm's volumes if /dev/sda1 is your partition-marked-active |
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| 04:13.20 | bbtech_ | klys: I'm not postive on the lvm vs sda1 - I think everything is in an lvm on sda1 |
| 04:13.32 | Narcarsiss | Solved. i forgot to --install Thankyou all :) |
| 04:13.36 | bbtech_ | but somehow I need to tell grub the new prefix |
| 04:14.17 | klys | bbtech_: mount -o ro /dev/sda1 /mnt; what error do you get |
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| 04:15.34 | bbtech_ | klys: sda1: VFS: can't find ext4 filesystem, must specify filesystem type |
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| 04:16.30 | klys | bbtech: try -t ext2, -t ntfs, -t hpfs, or -t vfat |
| 04:16.31 | ryclik | Hello. I was having some trouble with xrandr not detecting all of my detected monitors. Could it be that they are attached with a DVI>VGA adapter? |
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| 04:16.57 | bbtech_ | klys: ok, grub is on the partition /dev/mapper/Brett--PC-root but it is looking for it on the partition /dev/mapper/Brett--PC-swap |
| 04:17.31 | bbtech_ | klys: I know this because that is what I tell grub at the rescue prompt to get grub to boot |
| 04:17.50 | klys | bbtech_: have you done mkswap or swapon to that and booted since ? |
| 04:17.54 | bbtech_ | klys: just need to tell grub to remember that change :/ |
| 04:18.17 | bbtech_ | klys: I did not do anything with swap |
| 04:18.25 | bbtech_ | klys: this was just a naming issue for the patition |
| 04:18.28 | bbtech_ | *partition |
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| 04:18.54 | bbtech_ | klys: yes I can boot the box after I tell grub to use the correct partition |
| 04:19.03 | bbtech_ | klys: but I have to do it every time |
| 04:19.46 | klys | bbtech: if you think stage2/grub2 was on Brett--PC-swap, try mounting that. |
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| 04:20.23 | bbtech_ | klys: losing me grub is on Brett--PC-root |
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| 04:21.08 | bbtech_ | klys: at grub I run the command: set prefix=(Brett-PC-root)/boot/grub and shortly after doing that I can boot the computer |
| 04:21.23 | bbtech_ | and everything works normally |
| 04:21.24 | klys | bbtech_: from what you were describing earlier it seems to me you have two GRUB installs, one without a menu.lst and one with a menu |
| 04:21.50 | bbtech_ | klys: I don't think so I just reinstalled this system |
| 04:22.17 | bbtech_ | klys: I was just saying there is no menu.lst file |
| 04:22.35 | bbtech_ | klys: I don't think I need to deal with menu.lst at this point |
| 04:22.35 | klys | bbtech_: the mbr (stage1) loads stage2 or grub2 from a blocklist afaik |
| 04:22.47 | bbtech_ | I just need a way to make grub remember set prefix= |
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| 04:27.23 | bbtech_ | This is my exact issue: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting#grub_rescue.3E-1 |
| 04:27.49 | bbtech_ | I issue commands 1-4 to get the computer to boot...but I don't see how to make the changes permenant |
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| 04:42.07 | bbtech_ | lol all I needed was one command to solve my problem |
| 04:42.34 | klys | what? grub-install with the name of the volume ? |
| 04:42.34 | bbtech_ | klys: I solved the problem with the command grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 04:42.45 | bbtech_ | klys: ahhh, you were holding out |
| 04:43.14 | bbtech_ | klys: thanks for the help though! |
| 04:43.37 | klys | idk that grub-install would take the name of the volume, obv. stage1 did. turns out you didn't use that name anyway |
| 04:44.10 | klys | sure |
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| 04:51.35 | Sean-Der | Does anyone use Dovecot+sieve? |
| 04:52.05 | Sean-Der | The X-Spam-Score is showing up in my email headers, but it doesn't look like sieve is being fired at all |
| 04:52.23 | Sean-Der | but I have no idea how to debug it, also testing the sieve rule it seems to work |
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| 04:57.06 | klys | uses courier-imap |
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| 04:59.57 | flexo | hey. i'm trying to figure out if apt-get install $(PKGS) would install any new packages (without root privileges) in order to fail if there are any missing dependencies.. |
| 05:00.42 | flexo | i tried dpkg-query but this fails if apt-get would select another package (selecting ... for regex ...) |
| 05:01.24 | flexo | so.. what's the easy way here? |
| 05:02.32 | Sean-Der | klys: I pulled in courier + .forward in my ~ and im done! |
| 05:02.42 | flexo | (for some reason this is also the case for libxrender-dev - not sure what's so special about that one..) |
| 05:02.54 | Sean-Der | man dovecot was a pain :/ |
| 05:03.33 | flexo | ah, nevermind about this one |
| 05:03.45 | flexo | dpkg-query doesn't like a package given twice |
| 05:03.50 | flexo | so there is just that regex thing. hm. |
| 05:06.13 | klys | Sean-Der idk about X-Spam-Score but procmail might work for that |
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| 05:14.40 | flexo | ah well. nevermind. i just made my list match the actual packages.. |
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| 05:28.43 | brian23 | bye guys |
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| 06:30.27 | somiaj | linux-fox: in the future you can /msg dpkg mariadb (or what ever factoid you want) |
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| 08:00.24 | asaveljevs | Good morning, we have a question about MySQL client development package on current Debian testing. |
| 08:00.29 | asaveljevs | The problem we have with it while developing our software is that mysql_config defines -DNDEBUG in CFLAGS: |
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| 08:00.38 | asaveljevs | $ mysql_config --cflags |
| 08:00.38 | asaveljevs | -I/usr/include/mysql -DBIG_JOINS=1 -fno-strict-aliasing -g -DNDEBUG |
| 08:00.54 | asaveljevs | Do you think it is good for a library to define a macro that has such a global impact? |
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| 08:01.11 | asaveljevs | In other words, is it intended or is it a bug? |
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| 08:03.05 | ictxiangxin | hello |
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| 08:04.35 | ctmjr | asaveljevs, you might ask in #mysql maybe someone is awake in there |
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| 08:18.18 | Xat` | hi guys |
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| 08:18.52 | Xat` | how to inform dpkg DB when the configuration file from a package has changed ? |
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| 08:26.15 | Iridos | judd, versions gimp |
| 08:26.16 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; wheezy: 2.8.2-2; jessie: 2.8.6-1; sid: 2.8.6-1 |
| 08:26.42 | Iridos | Xat`, what do you mean |
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| 08:28.41 | Xat` | Iridos: a file from a deb package is not toto.conf anymore but tata.conf instead |
| 08:28.56 | Xat` | In my mind, I can inform dpkg to this change |
| 08:29.04 | Xat` | to avoid problem when uninstall |
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| 08:33.13 | Iridos | Xat`, not really. |
| 08:33.48 | Xat` | really ! i was pretty sure |
| 08:33.54 | Iridos | Xat`, Configuration files when you change them are your problem anyway, not of the packaging system... it just monitors of changes and will ask you before overwriting them if the config files have been changed |
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| 08:38.07 | Xat` | Iridos: alright ! In my mind I would change information into dpkg database |
| 08:38.11 | Xat` | could* |
| 08:39.12 | Iridos | well, it's all bits and bytes... I guess you could |
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| 08:40.37 | bitgeek | is there a command I can use in scripts to easily parse config files? |
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| 08:41.08 | Xat` | bitgeek: a lot, it depends of your parsing file |
| 08:41.51 | ecolitan | how can I stop lvm2 from starting on boot? I tried sysv-rc-conf but it's not checked in there |
| 08:41.52 | bitgeek | great. Well I am open to formats, I like the Python style of having sections with [ ] then name=value. |
| 08:42.26 | ecolitan | I want to manually start it after boot |
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| 08:43.10 | bitgeek | Xat, would prefer not to grep/sed/awk, a nice command to get the value of a named item would be useful. |
| 08:43.22 | h8R | hello. I got Starting Hardware RNG entropy gatherer daemon: (failed). while starting rng-tools server. Where can I check for logs? |
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| 08:46.14 | Xat` | bitgeek: its a bash script ? |
| 08:46.36 | bitgeek | Xat: yes. |
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| 08:47.20 | Xat` | you don't have a lot of choice in bash to parse a file |
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| 08:48.32 | bitgeek | yes, maybe I am over thinking the problem, if I could simplify the config file, I could just source it. Doh! |
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| 08:50.10 | bezaban | bitgeek: that would work, and I know it's not directly helpful to you, but python has configparser :) |
| 08:50.29 | Iridos | bitgeek, that is, indeed, the preferred way... specially if/as you only set variables there |
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| 08:51.01 | bezaban | if not it should be trivial to write up some get() and set() functions to be included in the config |
| 08:51.24 | bezaban | but at that point you might aswell do something with awk |
| 08:51.25 | bitgeek | bezaban: I did see someone write a onliner Python to call configparser in bash script, but that seemed cumbersome |
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| 08:52.49 | bitgeek | ok thanks everyone, I'll stick to something straight-forward, was just wondering if I was missing something (new to Linux) |
| 08:52.51 | bezaban | bitgeek: are you mostly looking to check if the configuration is valid or to get/set values? |
| 08:53.18 | ionte_ | hi. i just installed debian 7.2 on a server and i have problem with networking: if i restart the networking service then all network interfaces are "disabled". if i restart the server it works again. any idea?! |
| 08:53.20 | bezaban | no magic trick that I know I'm afraid :) |
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| 08:53.27 | Guest84988 | i try apt-get install mixxx and tells me its not verified... what does this mean |
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| 08:53.42 | bezaban | at this point I usually move from bash to python |
| 08:54.17 | bitgeek | mostly get values and very rarely setting, probably from a RPM spec file to correctly set values in config files for that environment |
| 08:54.26 | bezaban | Guest84988: do you have the keys for this repository installed? |
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| 08:54.55 | bezaban | Guest84988: what is the exact error? |
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| 08:55.47 | bezaban | errp. Need to work. afk |
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| 08:58.18 | Guest84988 | bezaban: i dont know anything about keys for repo yet |
| 08:58.21 | Guest84988 | and the error is |
| 08:58.47 | Guest84988 | can i paste here? |
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| 08:59.04 | Guest84988 | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 08:59.04 | Guest84988 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.49 | Guest84988 | what is verification and why would i install without? |
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| 09:03.41 | Guest84988 | I tried again installing xwax and it cannot be verified or authenticated either |
| 09:03.50 | Guest84988 | i never had to deal with this |
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| 09:06.38 | themill | Guest84988: do you have the "debian-archive-keyring" package installed? Is the date and time right? What's the full output of apt-get update |
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| 09:07.14 | Guest84988 | i just did a full apt-get update... let me check |
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| 09:11.36 | Guest84988 | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 09:12.03 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.05 | Guest84988 | http://pastebin.com/v8F7AF9s my apt-get update |
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| 09:13.19 | Guest84988 | ,v mixxx ? |
| 09:13.20 | judd | Package: mixxx on i386 -- jessie: 1.10.1~dfsg0-1; wheezy: 1.10.1~dfsg0-1; sid: 1.11.0~dfsg-2 |
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| 09:14.56 | crabman | Hello. What do I need to install to be able to read man g++? man gcc works for me but man g++ doesn't. |
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| 09:21.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell crabman about gcc-doc |
| 09:21.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell crabman about non-free sources |
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| 09:22.52 | crabman | jelly-home: thanks, I'll guess I'll have to use the documentation online not to anger vrms |
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| 09:23.26 | Guest84988 | Hello, how do i clear caches to free space? is it safe to delete /var/apt |
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| 09:23.53 | jelly-home | crabman: that's a bug in vrms, certainly the real one consider GNU GCC docs free. |
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| 09:24.38 | ompaul | vrms is nothing more than a tool that looks at what repo did something come from along with some hardcoded errors |
| 09:25.04 | ompaul | real rms doesn't use vrms for that reason |
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| 09:26.15 | ompaul | he saw it saying come fonts were nonfree - he asked and was shown the copyright for the fonts which indeed was free, in a previous implementation they were not |
| 09:26.51 | ompaul | ahh software / package authors and their change of terms of use causing the world to be not static |
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| 09:28.51 | neo1691 | I am unabke to connect to a wireless connection on debian! The hardware switch is on! Can someone help me |
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| 09:29.11 | Guest84988 | are you in graphical mode or text mode |
| 09:29.17 | Guest84988 | neo1691 |
| 09:29.31 | neo1691 | Guest84988, Graphical gnome 3.4 |
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| 09:29.46 | Guest84988 | neo1691 type iwconfig |
| 09:29.56 | Guest84988 | do you see broadcom anywere |
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| 09:30.20 | nabblet | !paste |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:30.22 | neo1691 | Guest84988, no |
| 09:30.36 | Guest84988 | iwconfig |
| 09:30.50 | Guest84988 | what type of wireless card do you have |
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| 09:31.11 | neo1691 | Guest84988, http://paste.debian.net/62516/ |
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| 09:31.50 | Guest84988 | neo1691 im sorry the command to see the name is lspci |
| 09:31.51 | neo1691 | Guest84988, It used to work before I am sure about this, one more thing when I switch to windows, I am again not able to connect to the wireless connection |
| 09:31.59 | nabblet | hi, i can't start pdigin http://paste.debian.net/62517/ - i don't even knwo: is it the keyring, the Xserver or gestreamer? any advice |
| 09:32.03 | nabblet | ? |
| 09:32.06 | neo1691 | Guest84988, and grep it with? |
| 09:32.24 | Guest84988 | neo1691 what type of wireless card? :lspci |
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| 09:32.41 | Guest84988 | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 09:32.45 | Guest84988 | something like that |
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| 09:32.58 | neo1691 | Atheros Guest84988 |
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| 09:33.11 | Guest84988 | ok do you see the list of wifi networks? |
| 09:33.12 | neo1691 | Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
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| 09:33.37 | neo1691 | Guest84988, in the uput of lspci? No |
| 09:33.48 | neo1691 | But I can see them in gnome-shell |
| 09:33.49 | Guest84988 | no, i mean when you click the wifi panel applet |
| 09:34.14 | Guest84988 | isthere a password onthe wifi network? |
| 09:34.22 | gnarface | ok i have an old motherboard with this onboard soundcard: CMI8738-mc6 that supposedly can capture audio over spdif digital input (optical or coax) but i just get a read error every time. has anyone seen this before? i can't seem to find a bug in our bug tracker but ubuntu's mentions it |
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| 09:34.55 | Guest84988 | is the password wep or wpa? |
| 09:35.21 | bhuddah | gnarface: are you sure it's not just an spdif out? |
| 09:35.22 | neo1691 | Guest84988, Yes I have the password |
| 09:35.34 | Guest84988 | neo1691: is it WEP or WPA2 |
| 09:35.50 | neo1691 | its wep Guest84988 |
| 09:35.57 | gnarface | bhuddah: yes, its clearly labeled "spidf in" right next to the one labeled "spdif out" |
| 09:36.14 | bhuddah | aah. :) |
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| 09:36.45 | gnarface | the web largely confirms my experience that the analog line-in has a very loud hissing sound/low gain |
| 09:36.56 | gnarface | but generally people say the spdif input was supposed to work great |
| 09:37.26 | Guest84988 | neo1691: /etc/network/interfaces .... check that file.. make sure its mostly empty or commented out |
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| 09:38.08 | Guest84988 | mine looks like auto lo |
| 09:38.08 | Guest84988 | iface lo inet loopback |
| 09:38.17 | neo1691 | Its not totally commented Guest84988 see this http://paste.debian.net/62520/ |
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| 09:39.13 | Guest84988 | acer pc? are you sure its not hardware switch hidden |
| 09:39.45 | bitgeek | asdf1234 |
| 09:39.45 | neo1691 | Its asus actually!! Its not hidden, I can actually toggle the switch easily |
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| 09:40.06 | Guest84988 | oh yeah you are seeing wifi networks.... |
| 09:40.24 | neo1691 | Guest84988, Yes I am seeing all the wifi networks available |
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| 09:41.25 | Jake21 | I downloaded barry, opensync..etc, now, when I connect my Blackberry device via USB into my computer, I get no option? My phone starts charging, I want to enter Mass-USB storage mode, but Debian doesn't show any option when I connect my BB device. |
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| 09:42.28 | ChrisH | Jake21: its the USB Devices duty to select the correct mode. Check the BB and dmesg from debian. |
| 09:42.44 | Guest84988 | neo1691: unplug your usb bluetooth dongles |
| 09:42.59 | Jake21 | nothing pops up in dmesg. |
| 09:43.04 | neo1691 | Guest84988, No usb bluetooth dongles attahced |
| 09:43.11 | Jake21 | lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0fca:8004 Research In Motion, Ltd. Blackberry Handheld |
| 09:43.17 | Guest84988 | neo1691: :) |
| 09:43.24 | neo1691 | LOL |
| 09:44.24 | ChrisH | Jake21: I do not have any Blackberry devices at all. But the USB device needs to explain what kind of device it is. |
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| 09:46.02 | Guest84988 | dmesg | grep ath |
| 09:46.21 | Guest84988 | thats for neo11691 |
| 09:47.26 | Jake21 | I want to transfer files into BB, ChrisH. |
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| 09:48.39 | Guest84988 | neo1691: try changing your encryption type to wpa2. wep is bad news. ;) |
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| 09:49.08 | roothead | 0hai |
| 09:49.12 | ChrisH | Jake21: check http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/BlackBerry-Z10/mass-storage-and-Linux-3-9/td-p/2466147 |
| 09:49.50 | roothead | Is it OK to replace PCManFM with SpaceFM and Openbox with Fluxbox? |
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| 09:50.41 | roothead | Well, this kind of desktop environment is used in one DebTesting derivative |
| 09:50.48 | Jake21 | I am using a charger cable, let me reboot the device. |
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| 09:52.18 | neo1691 | Guest84988, With the same password? Will it work? I will have to ask the system admin to change the password, unlikely |
| 09:53.28 | roothead | Is it even legal to combine a LXDE-derived icon engine with a non-Openbox WM? |
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| 09:57.06 | Guest84988 | neo1691: i would recommend wpa2 over wep any day for security and convenience... some cards dont like to connect to wep... but yousaid it worked before windows... are you dual booting?did you just update your kernel? and are you within proximity of the access point ? is it an adhoc network? and have you tried with the same password from a different device? |
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| 09:58.11 | neo1691 | I did not update, I have dual boot, I am just next to the device, I haven't tried on another device personally but the same pass is working on the system admins mobile |
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| 09:59.08 | Guest84988 | have you connected since using windows? does anyone know is madwifi would work in this situation /? i dont know about it |
| 10:00.14 | neo1691 | Well it used to wirk on debian as well before |
| 10:00.24 | neo1691 | *work |
| 10:02.26 | Guest84988 | is a live usb version of debian available to test it? and if not, iwould try making a new user and seeing if the new user can connect successfully... |
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| 10:11.40 | Guest84988 | whats ctrl alt f7 and f8 all about? |
| 10:12.00 | Guest84988 | why are they so similar ad whats the difference |
| 10:12.32 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... Ctrl-Alt-F7 is often X on mine... |
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| 10:16.54 | vo1d | reboot system boot 3.6.11+ |
| 10:17.05 | vo1d | hello everyone |
| 10:17.11 | Guest84988 | hi vold |
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| 10:18.06 | vo1d | i ran into an problem, ive created an sheduled reboot at 5am in the morning just no mondays, but it executes every minute till 6am in the moning so i get about 60 reboots in that hour... well i cant find that crontab nor im sure i did it with crontab, anyone has an idea where to look for ? |
| 10:18.37 | vo1d | is there even anything else for sheduled tasks than cron ? |
| 10:18.39 | bhuddah | vo1d: maybe the at service. |
| 10:18.45 | bhuddah | or anacron |
| 10:18.48 | vo1d | at is not insatlled |
| 10:18.58 | vo1d | oh well... anacron... let me look at this ! |
| 10:19.47 | vo1d | ps ax | grep cron |
| 10:19.56 | vo1d | just shows cron is running no anacron or at |
| 10:20.24 | bhuddah | i think anacron is called by cron regularly. it's not a daemon(?) |
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| 10:22.06 | vo1d | a find / -iname anacron* |
| 10:22.08 | vo1d | returned nothing |
| 10:22.14 | vo1d | i think its not even installed |
| 10:22.16 | vo1d | just cron :( |
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| 10:27.33 | vo1d | this is what syslog looks like at the hour of rebooting ... |
| 10:27.34 | vo1d | http://pastebin.com/mMe1KyS9 |
| 10:27.46 | vo1d | well i dont see what causes the reboot just i see i does its jobs after reboot |
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| 10:32.37 | vo1d | well i found it |
| 10:32.39 | vo1d | never mention |
| 10:32.40 | vo1d | :D |
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| 10:35.49 | bhuddah | vo1d: aaand? |
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| 10:39.56 | vo1d | well i just was to stupid to see i ... i accidently added through some tutorial an entry in /etc/crontab |
| 10:39.59 | vo1d | simple as that |
| 10:40.12 | vo1d | i just searched my uses crontabs for the problem... |
| 10:40.30 | bhuddah | okay :) |
| 10:40.35 | vo1d | well small epic fail ... thanks though for your help bhuddah |
| 10:40.47 | bhuddah | no prob. even if it wasn't of much use. |
| 10:41.06 | vo1d | :) well and also in /etc/crontab there is anachron called... |
| 10:41.14 | vo1d | just learned what anacron is for :) |
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| 10:43.28 | nikin | hi. i am looking for a way to set up my server so that anyone who logs in gets a monochrome terminal with red background and white text. Lately we suffer a lot of "typed in the wrong terminal" problem |
| 10:44.42 | bhuddah | nikin: are you talking of loggin in directly on a physical console? |
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| 10:45.06 | nikin | bhuddah: nope... ssh |
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| 10:45.26 | bhuddah | nikin: i don't think you can force the actual look on the client. |
| 10:45.49 | bhuddah | nikin: but you can display a motd. maybe you can have colors in there. |
| 10:45.57 | nikin | bhuddah: its more like suggesting.. as .bashrc can set the prompt |
| 10:46.27 | nikin | bhuddah: most times these problems happens after a couple of hours in to the session. |
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| 10:47.09 | bhuddah | nikin: i fear you'd have to deal with this on the organizational level. |
| 10:47.42 | nikin | bhuddah: i can overwrite their rc files. But i can not teach people to be organized with their windows. |
| 10:48.15 | bhuddah | nikin: you can make them pay a certain amount for each problem they cause :D |
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| 10:48.52 | nikin | bhuddah: true, but i still prefer soft-security sollutions. |
| 10:49.31 | bhuddah | nikin: you can force timeout ssh connections if you like. that way you can reduce the amount of open ssh terminals. |
| 10:49.50 | nikin | bhuddah: and they will use autossh :) |
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| 10:50.28 | bhuddah | nikin: why do you give root to people that are obviously clueless? |
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| 10:52.04 | nikin | bhuddah: i tried to teach them to use screen ... but to no avail really... Its a dev box.. and the clueless guys are devs. But hey still humans under pressure sometimes. I would lie if i told you it never happened to me. Nowdays i have a shortcut to open an xterm with the aforth mentioned parameters to log in to the dev server |
| 10:52.50 | nikin | But i would really like to solve this somehow on the server side. |
| 10:53.14 | av0idz | well nikin just edit bash rc and give them some fency command prompt |
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| 10:53.28 | bhuddah | nikin: the usual stuff.. make them use sudo.. force disconnect the terminals... change the prompt and lock the files. |
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| 10:54.40 | nikin | bhuddah: sudo is a two bladed sword... if you force them to much they will learn to run sudo -i as their first command... |
| 10:54.58 | bhuddah | nikin: you can disable that. |
| 10:55.35 | nikin | bhuddah: i know.. but still if you have to do sudo every 3 seconds, you will not notice. |
| 10:55.58 | bhuddah | nikin: you can just deny every command they shall not use. |
| 10:56.00 | nikin | bhuddah: i try to solve a human condition. |
| 10:56.18 | bhuddah | nikin: i said you should fix it on the organizational level. not via software. |
| 10:56.44 | bhuddah | and devs acting like morons should be treated like morons. |
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| 10:57.39 | nikin | bhuddah: you right... still.. if it is possible i would like to do it. if it is not then obviously have to go around it. |
| 10:57.52 | nikin | bhuddah: my job is to help them. |
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| 10:58.51 | bhuddah | nikin: then just stop thinking and fix it over and over again. it will not get better ever. |
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| 10:59.39 | av0idz | nikin -> http://www.maketecheasier.com/8-useful-and-interesting-bash-prompts/ |
| 10:59.40 | nikin | bhuddah: i will, if i have to. |
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| 11:02.52 | bhuddah | nikin: good luck :) |
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| 11:03.49 | nikin | av0idz: thanks for the link. |
| 11:04.39 | av0idz | no problem nikin - just give them an strange lookin prompt, somehting like in BE AWARE in the front ;) |
| 11:04.42 | nikin | bytheway do i understand correctly, that the terminal is negoshiating with the shell about things like color support, width/height and the rest of it. |
| 11:04.51 | nikin | or there is something inbetween those. |
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| 11:05.34 | bhuddah | nikin: it's a complex system of hacks and legacy support... but in general yes. |
| 11:05.51 | av0idz | well sure the client can use some sort of x-term that dont support colors but in general nobody uses terminals that dont support some sort of color |
| 11:06.02 | nikin | bhuddah: the point is if the shell has a say in whenever there are colors or not. |
| 11:06.21 | nikin | i know that what the colors are is down to the terminal. |
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| 11:06.33 | bhuddah | everything. |
| 11:07.38 | ksk | ,versions monit |
| 11:07.39 | judd | Package: monit on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.1.1-1; wheezy: 1:5.4-2; wheezy-backports: 1:5.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:5.6-1; sid: 1:5.6-1 |
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| 11:18.22 | zexcriz | is their packaging related irc channel ? |
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| 11:19.32 | babilen | zexcriz: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 11:19.42 | babilen | also *there |
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| 11:22.43 | zexcriz | babilen, thanks |
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| 11:23.25 | nabblet | hi, i can't start pdigin http://paste.debian.net/62517/ - i don't even knwo: is it the keyring, the Xserver or gestreamer? any advice |
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| 11:33.19 | movl | nabblet, did you do what you are suggested to? |
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| 11:40.26 | nabblet | movl well, remove "what"? i tried running with the options but it says they are unknonw Oo |
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| 11:41.45 | nabblet | movl: or should i remove libgstclutter.so - i doubt it |
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| 11:43.34 | Perdouille | Hello ! |
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| 11:44.02 | Perdouille | I'm trying to install PlayOnLinux on my Debian Chroot (to make League of legends working, it seems to freeze with Arch) |
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| 11:44.36 | reavengreyttman | oh LoL |
| 11:44.40 | reavengreyttman | ok game |
| 11:44.50 | Perdouille | But I can't install fglrx in the chroot, when I do, POL print something like : "PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.", and fgl_glxgears give a "core dumped" or something like this |
| 11:45.45 | reavengreyttman | Um, I had that kind of problem, when I was trying to make Guild Wars 2 work |
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| 11:45.59 | reavengreyttman | gimme a sec |
| 11:46.04 | Perdouille | Ok, thanks |
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| 11:46.25 | reavengreyttman | I don't guarantee I'll remember which package it was that I needed |
| 11:46.34 | Perdouille | (my uname -r in the chroot is : "3.11.6-1-ARCH", that's may be the problem |
| 11:47.51 | reavengreyttman | You want libgl1-fglrx-glx |
| 11:48.00 | reavengreyttman | For the fglrx libGLL |
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| 11:48.05 | reavengreyttman | *libGL |
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| 11:48.19 | reavengreyttman | And libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 |
| 11:48.36 | reavengreyttman | For the 32-bit lib |
| 11:48.36 | Perdouille | Okay, thanks ! |
| 11:48.44 | Perdouille | (It's a 32bits chroot) |
| 11:48.49 | reavengreyttman | np, not guaranteeing this is a complete solution |
| 11:49.28 | Perdouille | I reboot my computer, i'll be right back |
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| 11:53.24 | Perdouille | Hello again :) |
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| 11:54.41 | Perdouille | you think I can install the fglrx driver from the official AMD website ? The one on repos doesn't seems to work on chroot |
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| 11:55.09 | propus | Perdouille: yes you can. |
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| 11:55.25 | reavengreyttman | Well, what that package installs is not the fglrx driver, but fglrx libGL |
| 11:55.45 | reavengreyttman | The assumption was that you had the driver already, but needed the 32-bit libGL library |
| 11:56.07 | reavengreyttman | (As indicated by the output you pasted) |
| 11:56.14 | Perdouille | reavengreyttman: I had already the driver, but it doesn't seems to work |
| 11:56.24 | Perdouille | (fgl_glxgears gives an error "Core dumped" |
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| 11:56.54 | reavengreyttman | Can you try fglrxinfo | grep OpenGL |
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| 11:57.12 | reavengreyttman | paste output? |
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| 11:58.01 | Perdouille | fglrxinfo gives only this : |
| 11:58.02 | Perdouille | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
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| 11:58.54 | Perdouille | (And I did export DISPLAY=:0 on chroot and xhost + on my host OS) |
| 11:59.17 | reavengreyttman | Before doing anything else, maybe try sudo apt-get install --reinstall <fglrx-package-name> |
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| 11:59.43 | reavengreyttman | Sounds like there's some foulness somewhere |
| 11:59.44 | Perdouille | already did, I --purge fglrx-driver and reinstalled it |
| 12:00.11 | reavengreyttman | nods, then this problem goes beyond my knowledge personallyu |
| 12:00.37 | reavengreyttman | Can try the drivers from the site, maybe they'll install "better" |
| 12:01.04 | av0idz | Perdouille start fglrxinfo |
| 12:01.08 | av0idz | after error enter dmesg |
| 12:01.13 | av0idz | and look for errors |
| 12:01.27 | av0idz | or pastie it |
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| 12:02.54 | Perdouille | The end of the file : http://pastie.org/private/krflxtlm1fasoratousblw |
| 12:03.16 | Perdouille | I must reboot my computer again (Can't open any Konsole / tty ... I don't know why) |
| 12:03.23 | Perdouille | I'll be right back again |
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| 12:05.34 | Perdouille | Hello back |
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| 12:05.56 | Perdouille | When I chroot to debian, It seems to crash my konsole on Arch ... I think I must do something wrong :D |
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| 12:06.17 | av0idz | well strange behaviour ... |
| 12:06.20 | av0idz | try to |
| 12:06.21 | av0idz | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop |
| 12:06.46 | av0idz | and run fglrxinfo again |
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| 12:07.07 | av0idz | look in dmesg for alsa- if it still pops the segfault |
| 12:08.06 | Perdouille | seems to be the same |
| 12:08.12 | av0idz | if ther error remains .. well yes |
| 12:08.15 | Perdouille | I'll try to install from the official website |
| 12:08.20 | Perdouille | and see if there is a difference |
| 12:08.26 | av0idz | best try you can do yes :) |
| 12:08.31 | reavengreyttman | The fault in ALSA utils is weird |
| 12:08.32 | av0idz | else try to install / reinstall i965-va-driver |
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| 12:08.50 | reavengreyttman | Because regardless of how you look at it, 0 is a weird address |
| 12:08.58 | av0idz | its really weird |
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| 12:17.07 | abrotman | Perdouille: i'm really suspecting you did your chroot/debootstrap wrong |
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| 12:37.14 | no_gravity | Hello! How do I get an equalizer in Debian? Is there one by default? |
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| 12:37.47 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 12:37.56 | nkuttler | no_gravity: use an audio player that has one, or pipe the sound through something like jack i guess |
| 12:38.54 | d3xter | how can i get into #debian-next? :O i'm identified but it wont allow me to join the room |
| 12:38.56 | no_gravity | nkuttler: i dont use an audio player. i just browse the web and listen to stuff on soundcloud, bandcamp, youtube etx |
| 12:39.00 | nkuttler | no_gravity: fwiw, i'd guess that pulseaudio also has equalizers.. depends on your sound setup |
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| 12:39.17 | nkuttler | !tell d3xter about #debian-next |
| 12:39.20 | nkuttler | meh |
| 12:39.21 | no_gravity | nkuttler: i did not set up anything. probably im using alsa? |
| 12:39.28 | nkuttler | d3xter: afaik it's on the oftc irc network |
| 12:39.42 | nkuttler | no_gravity: i think if you use something like gnome pa is auto-installed |
| 12:39.53 | nkuttler | no_gravity: ps auxw | grep pulseaudio |
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| 12:40.46 | no_gravity | nkuttler: user 2078 0.7 0.0 567908 6800 ? S<l 13:04 0:15 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog |
| 12:40.46 | no_gravity | nkuttler: and another line: user 2088 0.0 0.0 95956 2980 ? S 13:04 0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper |
| 12:40.52 | d3xter | nkuttler: oh right, there is a "[irc.oftc.net]" after #debian-next in the title :) thanks |
| 12:41.40 | nkuttler | no_gravity: yeah, no idea about pulseaudio, but just google it i guess |
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| 12:47.08 | Uee | hy all :) |
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| 12:47.14 | Nik05 | hello |
| 12:47.23 | loostro | hi, when executeing "sudo supervisorctl reread" i'm getting "error: <class 'socket.error'>, [Errno 2] No such file or directory: file: /usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py line: 224" |
| 12:47.41 | loostro | i could not find a solution for that on google, help please |
| 12:48.17 | Uee | can u help me? |
| 12:48.28 | Uee | i have some problem |
| 12:48.31 | Uee | :'( |
| 12:48.51 | av0idz | dont ask to ask uee just ask the problem |
| 12:48.54 | av0idz | =P |
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| 12:56.09 | Perdouille | abrotman: I followed a lot of chroot tutorial |
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| 12:56.16 | Perdouille | Debian, Ubuntu, ... |
| 12:56.27 | Perdouille | Everytime something is going wrong |
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| 13:10.01 | shingouz | Perdouille: this is just an idea, but try going into your chrooted environment from other terminal. i have seen that sometimes footerm has a bug that prevents operation X while barterm does not barf at it. |
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| 13:21.10 | defnordic | I am trying to run make for a wireless driver, but it fails: /lib/modules/3.6.11+/build: No such file or directory. Stop. [modules] Error 2 |
| 13:21.36 | jelly | defnordic: are you sure you're running Debian? |
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| 13:21.49 | jelly | 3.6.11+ sounds like a raspbian kernel |
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| 13:22.04 | defnordic | yes, isn't that debian? |
| 13:22.08 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 13:22.09 | dpkg_ | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 13:22.19 | defnordic | ty :) |
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| 13:24.21 | bewantbe | Hi. I'm using Debian7 with 3.10 bpo kernel, and I can't adjust my CPU frequency through cpufreq-set, why? and how can I fix it? |
| 13:25.33 | ksk | bewantbe: never used that, but imho its not a good idea to do overclocking anywhere else then in bios (i might be wrong on that..) |
| 13:27.34 | bewantbe | I'm not doing overclocking... I just want to temporary set the CPU to "performance" mode |
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| 13:30.32 | ksk | you maybe want to provide information about what are you doing (commands issued) and whats the error you get "does not work" does not really help anyonme helping you ;) |
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| 13:31.49 | jelly | bewantbe: is performance present in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
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| 13:33.05 | bewantbe | Oh, thanks ksk. e.g. "sudo cpufreq-set -c 0 - performance" show me nothing(as executed successfully), but /proc/cpuinfo tell me the CPU still running at low frequency. |
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| 13:35.00 | bewantbe | @jelly there are two available governors: performance powersave |
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| 13:35.53 | jelly | bewantbe: that sounds nice. Pastebin the output of grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/* |
| 13:36.05 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:36.05 | dpkg_ | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:39.28 | bewantbe | http://paste.debian.net/62575/ |
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| 13:41.42 | jelly | looks like you have performance already active |
| 13:43.09 | bewantbe | but "grep "cpu MHz" /proc/cpuinfo" give me something lower than 3.1GHz |
| 13:43.19 | jelly | bewantbe: what happens with the current frequency if you run echo 3400000 | sudo tee -a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq |
| 13:44.17 | jelly | ... and where has your /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies gone |
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| 13:44.29 | bewantbe | still some random number between 1600MHz to 3100MHz |
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| 13:47.10 | bewantbe | `find /sys/devices/system/cpu -name '*scaling_availabl*'` only show me "scaling_available_governors" |
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| 13:48.09 | jelly | I don't know anything about the intel-pstate driver, perhaps it has its own quirks |
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| 13:49.32 | bewantbe | yeah, I think that has something to do with intel_pstate driver. But I don't know how to build the proper tools for it (called cpupower). |
| 13:51.24 | jelly | you could do the silly thing and boot with intel_pstate=disable |
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| 13:53.22 | dD_ | How can I create a partition in the same starting sector as before with fdisk? |
| 13:54.12 | jelly | very, very carefully (I tend to use sfdisk instead) |
| 13:54.30 | jelly | dD_: use sector units |
| 13:54.41 | bewantbe | thank you jelly, I will try that later. |
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| 13:56.51 | dD_ | jelly, is there a risk with doing it? I'm resizing a partition, and I read I should make sure my new partition starts where the previous one started, but I can either make the extended partition start at the correct position, or the logical partition start, but not both. |
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| 13:57.47 | Moonlightning | Why does /usr/bin/python point directly to /usr/bin/python2.6, instead of being handled by /etc/alternatives? Can|Should I change this? |
| 13:57.47 | jelly | dD_: well, don't write down the partition table until things are in their place |
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| 13:58.00 | jelly | Moonlightning: you should not. |
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| 13:58.40 | Moonlightning | Why not? |
| 13:58.55 | anddam | I've been told on this channel about programs used to manade software installed in /usr/local, I don't recall their name, can anyone help with that? |
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| 13:59.07 | jelly | Moonlightning: it will break system tools that depend on /usr/bin/python being what it is |
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| 14:00.34 | Moonlightning | Well, can I add python2 and python3 alternatives? |
| 14:00.41 | jelly | anddam: perhaps /msg dpkg_ /usr/local |
| 14:00.53 | jelly | Moonlightning: no. If you need python3, call python3 |
| 14:01.17 | Moonlightning | But there isn't a python3! |
| 14:01.48 | Moonlightning | Also, shouldn't there be a python2, for when python gets changed to point to python3? |
| 14:01.55 | jordanm | Moonlightning: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ |
| 14:02.21 | jordanm | "python" should always remain python2 according to PEP394 |
| 14:02.28 | Moonlightning | jordanm: Great! My system doesn't follow that, too. |
| 14:02.30 | Moonlightning | though * |
| 14:02.57 | dD_ | jelly, thanks. and do you know why fdisk won't let me do it directly? |
| 14:03.32 | jumperswitch | So those multistrap hooks... http://dev.man-online.org/man1/multistrap/#lbAX Is a native hook an equivalent to a script specified in configscript / setupscript of multistrap configuration? |
| 14:03.36 | jumperswitch | Because I have to specify multiple scripts in different languages (bash / perl / ...) |
| 14:03.39 | jumperswitch | Those hooks seem to be ideal for doing this. But I need to know if they are the same as the script in configscript / setupscript |
| 14:03.41 | jumperswitch | anyone? |
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| 14:03.51 | jumperswitch | There is nothing written about their exact role in the man / docs |
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| 14:04.29 | jelly | dD_: not really, perhaps its defaults use different alignment strategy than what was in use when the partition table was created initially |
| 14:04.35 | anddam | jelly: stow it is, thanks |
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| 14:11.41 | Slydder | hey all. what is wrong with the following awk statement? |
| 14:11.41 | Slydder | awk '/\<IfModule mpm_prefork_module\>/,/\<\/IfModule\>/ {/^ServerLimit/ && s=$2; /^MaxClients/ && m=$2} END {printf "serverlimit=%d maxclients=%d", s, m}' /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 14:12.22 | jumperswitch | Slydder: ahhh I love those long regexps, feels like in augeas :) |
| 14:12.33 | jumperswitch | Slydder: what do you get? |
| 14:12.40 | Slydder | am starting to question my sanity to be hones |
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| 14:12.48 | Slydder | s/hones/honest/ |
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| 14:13.13 | Slydder | both values are 0 |
| 14:13.31 | jumperswitch | Slydder: so the regexps don't match then? |
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| 14:14.46 | jelly | Slydder: I don't think you can do foo && bar flow control in awk (inside {}) |
| 14:14.49 | Slydder | got it |
| 14:15.16 | jelly | replace with if(/.../) { s=$2 } etc |
| 14:15.47 | jelly | { /^ServerLimit/ && print } gives a proper syntax error |
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| 14:21.30 | Slydder | jelly: here it is - awk '/\<IfModule mpm_prefork_module\>/,/\<\/IfModule\>/ {/^[ \t]+ServerLimit/ && s=$2; /^[ \t]+MaxClients/ && m=$2} END {printf "serverlimit=%d maxclients=%d", s, m}' /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 14:22.41 | jelly | and that works? |
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| 14:22.47 | Slydder | jep |
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| 14:23.36 | jelly | edified |
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| 14:23.56 | colo-work | is there a way to specify default mount options for ALL filesystems? I'd like to default all mounts that don't happen to have "rw" capabilities explicitely requested to be performed in "ro" mode... |
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| 14:25.32 | dont-panic | anyone know of any webcam software that I can set up to view my laptops webcam from work? |
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| 14:25.50 | xand | there is a program called webcam |
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| 14:30.20 | Burps | Hi : I have trouble to setup some procmail rules with exim (I'm a full beginner with procmail, getting the examples from smstools packages : email2sms) : http://paste.scsys.co.uk/273422 |
| 14:31.13 | Burps | The important stuff is : "missing or malformed local part (expected word or "<") in the address" ":0" |
| 14:31.33 | Burps | or ":0:" (have tried both, as seen on the web..) |
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| 14:33.11 | babilen | Burps: .forward is not .procmailrc |
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| 14:33.54 | Burps | OK : I had tried first with .procmailrc, bit it was not taken in account : maybe I'm missing this step... |
| 14:35.10 | babilen | Burps: Well, you have to forward to procmail (either in your .forward or globally) |
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| 14:36.32 | Burps | hmm, OK, I see waht you mean |
| 14:36.38 | Burps | (quite logical btw...) |
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| 14:36.55 | babilen | Burps: I'm using postfix, but let me try to dig up exim documentation about using procmail |
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| 14:38.24 | babilen | But doesn't it do that by default if a .procmailrc exists for that user? For some reason I seem to remember something like that, but I can't quite put my finger on it. |
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| 14:41.27 | OpenTokix | dont-panic: Dont spy on people |
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| 14:41.58 | babilen | Burps: Read /usr/share/doc/procmail/QuickStart -- It contains information about delivering to procmail, but it boils down to "|/usr/bin/procmail" in ~/.forward |
| 14:41.59 | jelly | dont-panic: I just fire up guvcview over ssh -X :-| |
| 14:42.01 | DebianSex | How can I enable Onboard in LIGHDM? |
| 14:42.05 | DebianSex | LightDM* |
| 14:42.33 | babilen | DebianSex: Please choose a different (and less offensive) nickname please. |
| 14:42.58 | jelly | dont-panic: a better option would be to set up a system taking regular snapshots and uploading them somewhere you can reach. |
| 14:43.00 | babilen2 | ok |
| 14:43.14 | babilen2 | how can I enable onboard in LightDM? please help. |
| 14:43.24 | jelly | someone's getting a +b |
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| 14:43.40 | babilen2 | babilen himself would get banned if he banned me over a "nick" |
| 14:44.11 | jelly | Don't Be a Dick rule applies |
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| 14:45.10 | petern_ | So what's "onboard"? |
| 14:45.15 | petern_ | Ah. |
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| 14:53.18 | anddam | Don't Be a Nick |
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| 15:01.34 | oatmeal | How can I find out which kernal my Linux distro uses? Or do you know which kernal Kali uses? |
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| 15:04.08 | jelly | oatmeal: "uname -a" will tell you which version it is and a bit more info |
| 15:04.26 | oatmeal | jelly: ty very much ^_^ |
| 15:04.35 | oatmeal | jelly: most help i've gotten in like 3 days ... =S |
| 15:05.12 | jelly | perhaps people dislike oatmeal |
| 15:05.47 | jelly | it takes like hours to soak up! |
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| 15:06.47 | oatmeal | i don't like oatmeal myself actually |
| 15:06.52 | oatmeal | i like granola though |
| 15:06.56 | oatmeal | which is made from oatmeal |
| 15:07.45 | jelly | eats Gran Cereale cookies, 34% oatstuffs |
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| 15:08.34 | oatmeal | =) |
| 15:08.37 | oatmeal | sounds good... |
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| 15:09.10 | oatmeal | i like to make granola with crushed flax seed, honey, peanut butter and cinnamon, it's so good |
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| 15:09.50 | oatmeal | alright, i've got to restart and log onto my not functional kali distro |
| 15:09.55 | oatmeal | cheers and thx again |
| 15:10.02 | jelly | oh, it's kali? |
| 15:10.05 | jelly | !kali |
| 15:10.05 | dpkg_ | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 15:10.39 | jelly | might want to check their channel for details, this channel is actually for proper debian |
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| 15:11.02 | orl_ | Hello! |
| 15:11.09 | oatmeal | how do you do actions? |
| 15:11.19 | orl_ | I experience a problem during upgrade from wheezy to jessie |
| 15:11.25 | jelly | /me does stuff |
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| 15:11.40 | oatmeal | i got banned from the kali channel... =S because i'm a newb and they dislike newbs and ban them from their irc... |
| 15:11.43 | orl_ | I guess it's linked to a bug which was listed in apt-listbugs (about cwd), but not sure, and as I didn't understand it, I went on.... |
| 15:11.49 | oatmeal | whispers to jelly please don't tell anyone |
| 15:12.01 | oatmeal | i better leave before i get banned from this channel too |
| 15:12.05 | oatmeal | bye... |
| 15:12.15 | orl_ | Anyhow, now emacs and emacs23 are in an incohrent state, and I cannot remove nor purge them, so I can't finish my upgrade |
| 15:12.17 | jelly | oatmeal: well, even if you do there's always the generic ##linux |
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| 15:12.43 | jelly | orl_: do you perchance have the whole output of the failed installation? |
| 15:12.45 | orl_ | It's linked to some perl problem (lookup symbol Perl_Gthr_key_ptr) |
| 15:12.48 | orl_ | yes |
| 15:12.53 | orl_ | can I paste it there? |
| 15:12.54 | jelly | !bat |
| 15:12.55 | dpkg_ | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:13.01 | orl_ | I just don't have X installed right now |
| 15:13.12 | jelly | hm |
| 15:13.20 | orl_ | yes, that's the point |
| 15:13.29 | orl_ | I might try with w3m |
| 15:13.46 | jelly | orl_: do you have curl installed? |
| 15:14.06 | orl_ | no |
| 15:14.09 | orl_ | should I? |
| 15:14.56 | jelly | you could pipe into "curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" to paste there |
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| 15:15.54 | orl_ | jelly: so, something like echo "what I get"|curl -F ? |
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| 15:17.09 | orl_ | jelly: apt-cache policy emacs: http://sprunge.us/FiaL |
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| 15:18.24 | orl_ | jelly: complete apt-get output: http://sprunge.us/ZaYM |
| 15:18.32 | jelly | orl_: can you do it all in one paste, (apt-cache policy emacs emacs23; echo; apt-cache policy; echo apt-get -f install) | curl ... |
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| 15:18.48 | orl_ | yes I can |
| 15:18.57 | jelly | wait |
| 15:19.06 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 15:19.06 | dpkg_ | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 15:19.33 | jelly | orl_: please put that LC_ALL=C thing in front of apt commands as well |
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| 15:20.12 | orl_ | jelly: what do you mean? "(LC_ALL=C; [the stuff])|curl (...) ? |
| 15:20.24 | DarsVaeda | how do I ensure my time is set via network time? I'm using gnome but in the settings it always disables the setting for network time right after I set it and close the window |
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| 15:20.41 | orl_ | jelly: http://sprunge.us/MYCX |
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| 15:21.17 | EmleyMoor | orl_: not quite. LC_ALL=C needs to be before each apt - not as a command on its own |
| 15:21.24 | orl_ | jelly: and without LC_ALL, here http://sprunge.us/HaAE |
| 15:21.26 | jelly | orl_: oh, either do (export LC_ALL=C; ...) or you have to put it in front of each command |
| 15:21.52 | orl_ | jelly: http://sprunge.us/WYBF |
| 15:22.04 | jelly | that is better. |
| 15:22.14 | orl_ | jelly: yep, but that's pretty shorter than the first one |
| 15:22.22 | orl_ | http://sprunge.us/HaAE |
| 15:22.57 | jelly | yes well, I had a typo and missed an ; after the last echo |
| 15:23.03 | orl_ | jelly: wait, there was a ; missing |
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| 15:23.34 | orl_ | jelly: by the way, thanks for the curl thing, it's pretty cool |
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| 15:25.57 | orl_ | jelly: http://sprunge.us/HIRY |
| 15:26.13 | orl_ | but there is a part which is output on stderr, I guess, and goes outside the pipe |
| 15:26.19 | orl_ | (not sure what I'm telling, still) |
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| 15:26.56 | jelly | (...) 2>&1 | curl ... |
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| 15:27.42 | jelly | looks vaguely as if perl is partially upgraded |
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| 15:28.41 | orl_ | http://sprunge.us/gGBE |
| 15:28.50 | orl_ | jelly: I just concatenated another way |
| 15:28.55 | orl_ | wow, I didn't know this about pipe |
| 15:29.03 | orl_ | will have learned some things about shell, hehe |
| 15:29.22 | orl_ | yes, looks like perl is partially upgraded |
| 15:29.30 | orl_ | that's what I found too, but I just couldn't get it fixed |
| 15:29.44 | jelly | orl_: what about apt-cache policy perl perl-base perl-modules |
| 15:30.14 | orl_ | jelly: http://sprunge.us/bXEI |
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| 15:31.28 | jelly | huh |
| 15:31.36 | orl_ | hmmm? |
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| 15:32.25 | jordanm | ,file auto/Cwd/Cwd.so |
| 15:32.30 | judd | Search for auto/Cwd/Cwd.so in wheezy/i386: libfile-spec-perl: usr/lib/perl5/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so; perl-base: usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so; perl-debug: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so |
| 15:32.40 | jelly | orl_: what does dpkg -S /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so say? |
| 15:32.59 | orl_ | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so |
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| 15:33.15 | orl_ | still, the file is there |
| 15:33.24 | jelly | orl_: remove it! :-) |
| 15:33.28 | jordanm | orl_: did you install it from CPAN? |
| 15:33.31 | orl_ | no |
| 15:33.37 | orl_ | jordanm: no |
| 15:33.41 | orl_ | jelly: oh, well, cool |
| 15:33.51 | jelly | orl_: readlink -f /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so before removing, perhaps |
| 15:34.03 | orl_ | well.... it's been removed before |
| 15:34.08 | jelly | oh well |
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| 15:34.23 | orl_ | so new attempt with -f install? |
| 15:34.29 | jelly | "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" work any different now? Yes |
| 15:34.48 | orl_ | quite, yes |
| 15:34.53 | orl_ | I think you got it fixed |
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| 15:35.16 | orl_ | thanks a lot (not speaking about winning right now, as the upgrade goes on, but still, thanks a lot) |
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| 15:36.43 | jelly | good luck |
| 15:37.53 | jelly | ,v libfile-spec-perl |
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| 15:37.54 | judd | Package: libfile-spec-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 3.3100-1; wheezy: 3.3300-1+b2; jessie: 3.4000-1+b1; sid: 3.4000-1+b1 |
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| 15:39.42 | orl_ | jelly: looks like it's OK |
| 15:39.48 | orl_ | I got to reboot now (argh) |
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| 15:40.59 | lotherk | hey there. |
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| 15:54.24 | ung | what is your favorite coding font in linux? Anyone is using windows font like consola, segoe ui? |
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| 16:36.24 | Tylertwo | I'd like to sort the command "ps -A" alphabetically by name of process, any idea how to do that? |
| 16:36.33 | naptastic | I'm setting up a web server with Jessie. I put my site definition files in /etc/apache2/sites-available, but they aren't visible to 'a2ensite' like they were under Wheezy. What do I need to do? |
| 16:38.57 | ksk | do an "ln -s sites-available/foo sites-enabled/foo" - dunno where a2ensite gets its paths from.. |
| 16:39.09 | ksk | (you have to create a symbolic link) |
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| 16:44.14 | aklix-dev | Greetings1 Can anyoune give a hint about chroot'ing nginx? |
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| 16:50.50 | ksk | aklix-dev: google probably can: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-run-nginx-in-a-chroot-jail/ |
| 16:51.56 | ksk | be aware that chrooting is not really a security feature, as one can probably escape from it if you are root - see vertualisation instead, maybe LXC |
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| 16:55.14 | petern_ | ksk, has LXC been proven against that sort of thing yet? |
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| 17:04.32 | Razkin | I am travelling to Malaysia soon, and I'll probably get a broadband there, but it seems that I won't be able to use internet there on Linux because there is no provider-list in the network-manager's wireless network list, how can I update the providers list in network-manager? |
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| 17:05.33 | Razkin | I am travelling to Malaysia soon, and I'll probably get a broadband there, but it seems that I won't be able to use internet there on Linux because there is no provider-list in the network-manager's wireless network list, how can I update the service-providers list in network-manager? |
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| 17:08.14 | Razkin | I am travelling to Malaysia soon, and I'll probably get a broadband there, but it seems that I won't be able to use internet there on Linux because there is no provider-list in the network-manager's wireless network list, how can I update the service-providers list in network-manager? |
| 17:08.22 | Razkin | somebody answer my question. |
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| 17:10.02 | pirret | fuck off |
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| 17:25.37 | ksk | petern_: i dont really know, but its mainline... |
| 17:25.39 | calisto | Hi, exist any software to backup all configurations in debian and apply to other server and if possible download all packages need to create a new server with same services of the original? |
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| 17:26.03 | ksk | calisto: if you do backup on a disk-base, yes. |
| 17:26.42 | calisto | ksk you suggest a dd? or I dont understand |
| 17:26.54 | ksk | or some disk-backup-tools |
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| 17:27.01 | ksk | i dont know any specific. |
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| 17:29.31 | jordanm | calisto: you can use a config management system such as puppet |
| 17:29.33 | calisto | ksk I need a software to analice all packages installed one server debian and apply all apt-get needed to another server and configure all service as copy |
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| 17:30.01 | calisto | jordanm: who? |
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| 17:31.03 | pagios | hello do i need to take any special measurements to install debian on my hp proliant server with hw raid controller? for some reason i boot up the cd, install the os reboot but the system doesnt boot debian (installed grub ) |
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| 17:39.53 | ikevin | pagios, does your raid controller need non-free driver/firmware? |
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| 17:42.20 | anonnumberanon | sybariten, did you ever get straightened out with your laptop? |
| 17:42.35 | dtcrshr | how do I install via command line a .deb package? besides gdebi |
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| 17:42.40 | dtcrshr | on a text only server |
| 17:42.54 | anonnumberanon | you mean a cli only server? |
| 17:43.02 | sybariten | hi anonnumberanon ! I was actually gonna come here and thank you with the help. I havent had time to try much more since we spoke last, been visiting a friend. I was on a train when i chatted then. |
| 17:43.13 | sybariten | will try later perhaps tonight |
| 17:43.20 | anonnumberanon | oh ok |
| 17:43.24 | dtcrshr | yes, cli |
| 17:43.24 | ikevin | dtcrshr, sudo dpkg -i file.deb |
| 17:43.31 | dtcrshr | thanks ikevin |
| 17:43.32 | anonnumberanon | well good luck with that, it is possible |
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| 17:44.20 | ikevin | dtcrshr, uw |
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| 17:46.43 | pagios | ikevin: what do you mean? |
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| 17:48.05 | ikevin | some hardware have driver (or part of it) who are non-free, and by default debian don't install this kind of driver |
| 17:48.57 | ikevin | in this case, you need to install them manually (or some times install package like "linux-nonfree-module") |
| 17:49.49 | phantomcircuit | how can i setup apt to use a socks5 proxy? |
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| 17:51.43 | pagios | it works had to create a logical volume on the raid |
| 17:52.10 | ikevin | phantomcircuit, https://www.google.fr/search?client=opera&q=apt+configure+sock5+proxy&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest#channel=suggest&q=apt+configure+socks5+proxy&spell=1 |
| 17:52.25 | phantomcircuit | yeah thanks that's a dead end |
| 17:52.28 | phantomcircuit | thus why im asking here |
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| 17:53.15 | phantomcircuit | ikevin, hint all those results are for ubuntu |
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| 17:54.17 | ikevin | ubuntu is debian based system, the method is the same |
| 17:54.40 | phantomcircuit | they extended it to directly support socks proxies |
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| 17:58.05 | ikevin | phantomcircuit, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg00483.html <== it's seems to be the same process than ubuntu |
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| 17:58.38 | phantomcircuit | ikevin, that's for http and ftp proxies |
| 17:58.55 | ikevin | read the full thread ... |
| 17:59.43 | phantomcircuit | ikevin, it's still going to be about http proxies no matter how many times i read it |
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| 18:01.34 | ikevin | echo "Acquire::socks::proxy \"socks://user:pass@host:port/";\" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00proxy |
| 18:01.37 | raidgh0st | After installed virsh, and trying to get WebvirtMgr to connect. Is it needed to allready have a virtual machine running, to connect? |
| 18:01.45 | ikevin | erf |
| 18:01.53 | ikevin | echo "Acquire::socks::proxy \"socks://user:pass@host:port/\";" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00proxy |
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| 18:02.51 | phantomcircuit | ikevin, yeah that doesn't work |
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| 18:03.07 | ikevin | don't have a debian to test it, so lmde don't make error with this config (except it can't use my inexistant proxy) |
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| 18:05.29 | ikevin | phantomcircuit, if you can translate it: http://feilongwork.free.fr/index.php/2008/12/31/apt-ou-autre-par-proxy-socks-5/ |
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| 18:12.58 | steven__ | hi. im using debian wheezy and want to install bumblebee for my graphicscard, im using the instruction https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee but have a short question: Do i have to install a graphicscard driver Before i install bumblebee, or is it part of bumblebee? ty |
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| 18:13.30 | Wulf | Hi |
| 18:14.06 | Wulf | I'm looking for a tool like winpopup, i.e. listen for broadcasts on the local network and display them to the user. Is there anything useful? |
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| 18:15.14 | jordanm | Wulf: I think evince has something like that |
| 18:15.27 | jordanm | erm, not evince |
| 18:15.31 | Wulf | evince? that's a pdf reader |
| 18:15.33 | jordanm | w/e the gnome chat client is |
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| 18:16.03 | jordanm | empathy |
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| 18:16.26 | petemc | smbclient |
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| 18:19.26 | ompaul | steven__: I make a point of not buying amd or nvidia chips, however reading that page you should just be doing the bit in "installation" where it says backports |
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| 18:22.21 | steven__ | ompaul, thanks for your help, i was not sure about that. i will try it without installing a driver before. my next computer wont have a nidia chip :) btw i think there is a little mistake in the wiki |
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| 18:57.44 | tharkun | Among all the machines that are under my supervision all made the time change from CDT to CST without a hitch. Except my personal laptop. What parameter should I look inside it to fix it? |
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| 19:00.54 | horst2 | Linux use a time base from a fixed point and calculate the local time. At a network you will use UTM as time for the logs or you get .... if you had to analyse logs. |
| 19:01.21 | bazhang | UTC? |
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| 19:03.12 | ompaul | steven__: if there is a mistake in the wiki, you have the right to fix it. |
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| 19:03.50 | horst2 | Coordinated Universal Time |
| 19:03.54 | linuxlite1969 | hello issue with cdrom linux lite |
| 19:04.21 | linuxlite1969 | not recognized |
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| 19:05.06 | linuxlite1969 | hello is there anyone here?? |
| 19:05.25 | hoverboard | hi linuxlite1969 |
| 19:05.27 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: yes, but what is linuxlite |
| 19:05.36 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: where did you get it |
| 19:05.47 | linuxlite1969 | https://www.linuxliteos.com/index.html |
| 19:06.02 | linuxlite1969 | debian/ubuntu based |
| 19:06.07 | ompaul | https://www.linuxliteos.com/support.html |
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| 19:06.31 | linuxlite1969 | i know that |
| 19:06.36 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: we don't support distros other than debian here, please use the irc channel they mention on their site |
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| 19:07.19 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: we don't know what changes they made so they would have linux lite so we could tell you things which are not right and would make your situation worse |
| 19:07.41 | linuxlite1969 | i install linux lite because debian was incapable to put nvidia driver |
| 19:07.52 | horst2 | usr/lib/zoneinfo /usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime --> ln -sf CET /usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime |
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| 19:08.24 | peterrooney | ompaul: i nominate your response as a replacement for the "based on debian" factoid |
| 19:08.46 | ompaul | peterrooney: I nominate we beg for dpkg to return |
| 19:09.03 | ompaul | peterrooney: feel free to use or adapt it |
| 19:09.07 | linuxlite1969 | i tried everything on debian fedora atc |
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| 19:10.07 | peterrooney | linuxlite1969: if you're having problems with every distribution, you might have more success in ##linux |
| 19:10.23 | linuxlite1969 | you got to log on |
| 19:10.28 | linuxlite1969 | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lite |
| 19:11.09 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: at this point I'm considering your output to be spam, you have done nothing other than ask is anyone here, and said you couldn't use debian |
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| 19:11.55 | bline79 | anyone here use freight for their pivate repo? |
| 19:11.58 | linuxlite1969 | this a DEBIAN base that's what the link for |
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| 19:13.18 | ompaul | .based on debian |
| 19:13.31 | linuxlite1969 | i don't care about that distro,the only one taht install my nvidia driver without problem |
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| 19:14.09 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: do you have the "optimius" chipset? |
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| 19:15.05 | linuxlite1969 | gtx 460 i think so |
| 19:15.07 | Aniar | hi #debian - I've read every debian and ubuntu wiki page on reprepro that I can find. I can make things work the way I want them to on the client. But I'd like to ask some questions about "the right way". Is this the best place, is there someone in particular I should ping, or is there another, better, channel? |
| 19:15.14 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: read this https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 19:15.24 | horst2 | In debian you may use the nv driver of the kernel out of the box. You may need to compile a new kernel, but nvidea is working very well with deiban. |
| 19:15.31 | bline79 | Aniar: you considered this: https://github.com/rcrowley/freight ? |
| 19:16.05 | Aniar | bline79: I'm building a public repro for other debian users to install our software, not to manage internal software |
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| 19:16.31 | mumpitzel | bline79: the nv driver isn't used in debian anymore. it's been nouveau for quite some time now |
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| 19:16.45 | Aniar | bline79: so, I hadn't seen this yet, but the ReadMe doesn't answer my questions |
| 19:16.55 | zykotick9 | horst2: even squeeze used nouveau, nv is dead at this point.... i've never played with optimus hardware, so have no personal experience in that matter (i wouldn't buy a hybrid graphics laptop, that's for sure). |
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| 19:18.29 | linuxlite1969 | i think i already try that but not recognized for the gtx 460 |
| 19:18.53 | mumpitzel | ompaul: a gtx460 cannot be using optimus |
| 19:20.23 | ompaul | mumpitzel: good so then |
| 19:20.29 | linuxlite1969 | why isn't there a easy way to install the drivers like in linux lite compability driver window etc.. |
| 19:20.48 | linuxlite1969 | it is just ridiculous |
| 19:21.10 | ompaul | linuxlite1969: try installing debian and join us again and see what we can do for you, as for ridiculous ... that's a strong word |
| 19:22.03 | linuxlite1969 | the way is ridiculous like you see a non official distro can do it that's it |
| 19:22.12 | Aniar | linuxlite1969: because there aren't "drivers" in linux in the same way there are in Windows. in Windows, "installing drivers" is masked as being the same operation as "installing usermode software". drivers in Linux (modules) are parts of the kernel. |
| 19:22.43 | linuxlite1969 | i'm not talkin about windows |
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| 19:23.40 | Aniar | also, you realize Debian is one of the strictest "separate free from non-free" mainstream distros available? |
| 19:23.41 | horst2 | May I try an new kernel from debian as dom0 with xen 4.0.1 out of the box. I'm a little feared that will crash my machine (without a keyboard and a monitor). I had a hard time to compile 2.6.32 with the xen patches. |
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| 19:24.52 | oatmeal | how do you tell if a ping was successful if you type ping www.nasa.gov -c 1 in terminal? |
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| 19:25.38 | ompaul | oatmeal: if the nsa break down your doors and windows and say don't even try pinging us? actually if you get a reply in a few miliseconds - a second |
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| 19:26.33 | oatmeal | ompaul: nasa, not nsa =p |
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| 19:26.54 | ompaul | oatmeal: there was a joke there, given your nick I thought it good |
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| 19:27.50 | oatmeal | ompaul: oatmeal? |
| 19:28.14 | ompaul | yes it is an internet meme for come comedy |
| 19:28.18 | Aniar | bline79: ok, I read the rcrowley.org packaging article. My question is partially about tool, but partially about "debian archive structure". If you can go that deep, lmk. |
| 19:28.20 | ompaul | s/come/some/ |
| 19:28.55 | DANtheBEASTman | I'm writing a quick howto on backporting from source, I'd love some criticism https://gist.github.com/DanielFGray/7108454 |
| 19:29.04 | oatmeal | copec: what is come comedy? =p |
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| 19:29.57 | copec | I think you tab completed the wrong person? |
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| 19:31.08 | copec | looks at history to see if kids pounded on keyboard |
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| 19:31.37 | ompaul | copec: they didn't |
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| 19:31.52 | ompaul | oatmeal: some comedy |
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| 19:32.26 | copec | ah, ty |
| 19:32.27 | oatmeal | ompaul: ahh okay... cool... |
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| 19:32.41 | oatmeal | ompaul: would you like to tell me which comedy? =) |
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| 19:34.37 | jenia | hi |
| 19:34.39 | ompaul | oatmeal: I'd rather you looked at your ping return time and see if it worked |
| 19:34.48 | jenia | what is the difference between getfacl and ls -l |
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| 19:35.03 | jenia | and between setfacl and chmod/chown |
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| 19:37.14 | ompaul | jenia: what is the difference between using an acl system vs the usual system controls it takes time to type and it's newer than 20 years old |
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| 19:37.42 | jenia | hehe thanks |
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| 19:39.15 | jordanm | ompaul: basic permissions only allow one owner and one group. ACLs can support many users and many groups |
| 19:39.22 | oatmeal | ompaul: 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 19:39.23 | oatmeal | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 17.574/17.574/17.574/0.000 ms |
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| 19:42.48 | ompaul | oatmeal: so it works |
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| 19:43.12 | oatmeal | ompaul: does that necessarily mean that the problem is my dns settings? |
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| 19:43.55 | ompaul | oatmeal: eh that's a faulty thing if it got there - then dns works - and you are talking to people about dns in ##linux so I'll leave you to that |
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| 19:44.28 | oatmeal | ompaul: okay. i appreciate your help, thank you. |
| 19:44.34 | ompaul | jordanm: yeah, the way I read it was "why use A not B" if you know what acls are then the acl commands make more sense :) |
| 19:44.44 | ompaul | jordanm: else ... trivia :) |
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| 19:55.31 | DANtheBEASTman | is there an easy way to remove development headers you just installed? |
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| 19:56.12 | DANtheBEASTman | i'm not sure how to get a list of recently installed packages. dpkg --get-selections isn't sorted by install date |
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| 19:56.32 | yeats | DANtheBEASTman: check dpkg logs? |
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| 19:57.16 | mumpitzel | DANtheBEASTman: less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:57.26 | DANtheBEASTman | i've looked through there but there's a ton of extra info |
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| 20:03.55 | twobitsprite | is the dpkg bot gone, or just down right now? |
| 20:04.14 | nkuttler | dpkg_: boo |
| 20:04.24 | DANtheBEASTman | its dpkg_ right now for some reason |
| 20:04.39 | twobitsprite | I tried privmsging it, but got no response |
| 20:04.44 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: can we rename dpkg_ ? |
| 20:04.58 | nkuttler | twobitsprite: yeah, so use it's current name |
| 20:05.09 | twobitsprite | nkuttler: I did |
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| 20:05.38 | twobitsprite | hmm, now it's working, maybe I sent it something it doesn't recognize |
| 20:05.42 | twobitsprite | anyways, nm, thanks :) |
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| 20:10.00 | riceandbeans | I just read something horrifying on slashdot |
| 20:10.06 | riceandbeans | I read that debian is moving to upstart or systemd |
| 20:10.29 | sjamaan | *shockhorror* |
| 20:10.33 | riceandbeans | I had a lot of pride in debian using something reasonable like sysvinit and not following stupid fads like fedora |
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| 20:11.42 | h8R | riceandbeans, link or never happend. :D |
| 20:11.49 | Aniar | riceandbeans: "being able to intelligently handle events like "the network disappears on a laptop" isn't a fad. |
| 20:11.55 | riceandbeans | so now debian is going commercial under canonical's umbrella or fad under fedora |
| 20:12.14 | Aniar | hrm, poor quote handling there. |
| 20:12.15 | riceandbeans | Aniar: systemd isn't stable, mature, efficient |
| 20:12.18 | Aniar | riceandbeans: "being able to intelligently handle events like "the network disappears on a laptop"" isn't a fad. |
| 20:12.27 | esaym153 | how do I set up a user so that every file they create is owned by them and the group is a different group than their userid? |
| 20:12.27 | Aniar | there we go |
| 20:12.42 | riceandbeans | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/J2FYSb5WwRE/story01.htm |
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| 20:13.25 | Aniar | riceandbeans: stable/mature. yes. efficient has many meanings. something like upstart can handle "the network disappeared, so I might as well shut down things that make no sense running" |
| 20:13.41 | Aniar | riceandbeans: because then those applications don't have to self-handle "verify the network is there first. |
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| 20:14.52 | Aniar | riceandbeans: and since most modern linuxes still have TCP timeouts of 1-5 minutes... that can be a problem for some network apps. |
| 20:15.07 | zinx | uhm |
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| 20:15.20 | zinx | OSs i'm aware of have 2 hour timeouts for TCP |
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| 20:15.50 | Aniar | zinx: that's the keepalive on an empty tcp channel, not the timeout for an ack |
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| 20:16.53 | Aniar | zinx: it's a combination of (on a netfilter-enabled system) the tcp_max_retrans, tcp_time_wait, and tcp_last_ack |
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| 20:18.15 | steven__ | im debian newbie and just installed bumblebee for my nvidia graphics card. i followed this instruction https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee/ManualInstall#Installation, do i have to do the chapter compiling, startup script, and groups too? while installing it told i must configure xserver-xorg-video-nvidia. i dont know what to do. can someone help me please? |
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| 20:19.20 | steven__ | im affraid that if i reboot now i dont have graphic ui |
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| 20:22.40 | outch3 | steven : if you don't have a ui, dont panic, remove xserver-xorg-video-nvidia install xserver-xorg-video-vesa and reboot |
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| 20:23.07 | outch3 | will be shitty graphic but enough to troubleshoot(if you need aGUI) |
| 20:23.20 | hydron_ | hello every body |
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| 20:24.41 | steven__ | ok so its not all lost if its going wrong, ty outch3. do you have experience with bumblebee? |
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| 20:25.35 | outch3 | no experience with bumblebee at all, I hav experience loosing my GUI though... |
| 20:26.31 | hydron_ | while I'm upgrading from Kubuntu 13.04 to 13.10, I choosed to conserve the apache configuration file since I have a lot of configuration I made there, now when I try to strat apache, It tell me: ...Invalid command 'LockFile'... |
| 20:26.52 | riceandbeans | if there is a problem in a an application not timing out a TCP connection, a fault of the implementation is not the fault of sysvinit |
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| 20:27.01 | riceandbeans | that's the fault of whatever application, pidgin or whatever |
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| 20:27.18 | riceandbeans | upstart is horrible and I hope to god Debian doesn't turn into the commercial crap that Ubuntu has |
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| 20:27.39 | hydron_ | how to reset the configuration file ? |
| 20:27.45 | riceandbeans | that'll be the last straw to migrate all my Debian systems off Debian and to BSD |
| 20:27.53 | riceandbeans | and I've been running Debian since 3.0 |
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| 20:32.03 | tremon | esaym153: the initial group for the user will be determined by its primary group, see man usermod, options -g and -G |
| 20:32.20 | esaym153 | tremon: figured it out, thanks |
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| 20:36.40 | hydron_ | zombies ? |
| 20:36.42 | elkingrey | Does anybody know if LMDE contains any non-free software or binary blobs? |
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| 20:38.27 | ompaul | lmde ... is that mint? |
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| 20:40.00 | oatmeal | can anyone tell me some fundamental differences between debian and ubuntu or mint? |
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| 20:40.17 | nitz | Occasionally my system freezes up while watching video on VLC. The audio continues but the entire screen locks up (remains as it was just as it froze). The audio continues to play for minutes into the VLC video. The Keyboard+mouse is completely unresponsive. Ctrl+Alt+Del does nothing. Pressing keys like Num-Lock and Caplock does nothing (the light on the keyboard does not change). Are there any tips for recovering from this frozen state, or is powering down |
| 20:40.17 | nitz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.18 | sharky | oatmeal, ubuntu and mint do more work towards frontend, debian towards backend, that is why debian is the foundation |
| 20:43.04 | oatmeal | sharky: like what sort of backend stuff does debian do more of? i'm thinking about crossing over to debian from mint... |
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| 20:44.16 | sharky | oatmeal, it is just my opinion, with frontend I mean GUI, backend -> system, packaging, security |
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| 20:45.31 | oatmeal | sharky: so is debian faster and more secure? |
| 20:46.04 | cafuego | oatmeal: definitely |
| 20:46.05 | sharky | oatmeal, ubuntu and mint are debian based |
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| 20:46.15 | cafuego | oatmeal: faster and more secure than what? |
| 20:46.38 | oatmeal | cafuego: than mint, specifically, but mint is based on ubuntu, so you could compare debian to ubuntu also |
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| 20:46.59 | cafuego | ugh mint |
| 20:47.08 | cafuego | Can you upgrade that yet between versions? |
| 20:47.32 | oatmeal | lol, not 'officially' but unofficially yes i think so, though i haven't done it |
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| 20:47.56 | cafuego | Well, not being able to upgrade is a great reason to not use it. |
| 20:48.35 | oatmeal | i think mint is good in ways... i came from windows a year ago, and i hadn't gotten into customizability yet, and the OOB experience was big for me, and mint was my favorite, and it was great because I realized that Linux is better than Windows in every way. If it wasn't for Mint, then i don't know if that would have happened for me. |
| 20:48.35 | cafuego | As for Ubuntu ... well, they add some pretty to the UI and some crazy arse software version decisions. |
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| 20:49.39 | oatmeal | I went through a phase where I tried a bunch of distros, and Debian, to me, at the time, looked straight out of the 80's =) |
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| 20:50.08 | oatmeal | but now I know about all this theme customization, DE's, etc. so yeah, I don't need Mint any more... |
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| 20:50.39 | oatmeal | but a rolling distro would be nice... is debian rolling? |
| 20:50.52 | cafuego | rolling? |
| 20:51.02 | sharky | oatmeal, no, Archlinux is rolling |
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| 20:51.22 | ompaul | this game is being played in two channels |
| 20:51.22 | oatmeal | are there any distros because Arch that're rolling? |
| 20:51.29 | sjamaan | Couldn't sid be considered "rolling"? |
| 20:51.30 | riceandbeans | yes, debian is rolling |
| 20:51.37 | ompaul | slowly up a hill |
| 20:51.48 | oatmeal | cafuego: rolling means that the distro is upgraded to the newest version automatically |
| 20:51.52 | cafuego | By "rolling" do you mean sticking untested software in a stable release? |
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| 20:52.11 | tremon | except that debian stops rolling once we're in freeze |
| 20:52.25 | oatmeal | cafuego: *shrug* i don't know exactly i guess |
| 20:52.34 | cafuego | oatmeal: Then not really, no. What an awful idea. |
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| 20:53.02 | oatmeal | cafuego: maybe riceandbeans would be in a better position to respond ? |
| 20:53.07 | oatmeal | =p |
| 20:53.22 | cafuego | Software making update decisions. Software making any decisions. Feel the fail happening... |
| 20:53.25 | oatmeal | tremon: what does "in freeze" mean =p |
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| 20:54.00 | tremon | hey, who killed dpkg? |
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| 20:54.34 | sharky | oatmeal, it means no new packages are added, only bugfixes are done until the system is considered stable for production |
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| 20:55.27 | riceandbeans | debian can easily move from one release to another |
| 20:55.33 | riceandbeans | sid is a rolling release |
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| 20:55.58 | riceandbeans | testing/stable, technically not but support rolling release like upgrades to the next version |
| 20:56.18 | tremon | sid and testing are technically not releases |
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| 20:57.13 | tremon | although that's the very thing that makes them rolling |
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| 20:57.15 | cafuego | oatmeal: I can possibly summarise, if you need the latest versions of apckages on your system because they're newer than the slightly older ones, you probably don't want to use debian. |
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| 20:57.42 | sharky | riceandbeans, on rolling there is no *release*, yet you speak of a release on debian |
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| 20:58.31 | oatmeal | I wonder why Arch is rolling then |
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| 20:58.48 | oatmeal | maybe there's more to it... |
| 20:58.57 | cafuego | Probably the same reason as gentoo. |
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| 20:59.19 | oatmeal | I get the feeling Debian is more universal... like I've been thinking of getting an Odroid minicomputer, and it might be better to put Debian on that than Ubuntu |
| 20:59.21 | rryoumaa | does everybody use the same definitions of these terms? i suspect not, somehow. |
| 20:59.25 | sharky | oatmeal, Archlinux is rolling *distribution*, the are no releases there |
| 20:59.53 | riceandbeans | Debian is termed the 'universal' distribution |
| 20:59.57 | oatmeal | cafuego: what do you mean about gentoo? |
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| 21:00.09 | riceandbeans | but after the next release I may abandon it |
| 21:00.13 | oatmeal | riceandbeans: so it would be better for the Odroid, than ubuntu? |
| 21:00.21 | riceandbeans | if they really abandon sysvinit for upstart or systemd |
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| 21:00.35 | oatmeal | what are those... ... |
| 21:00.35 | riceandbeans | I do not ever recommend ubuntu |
| 21:00.38 | riceandbeans | ever |
| 21:00.53 | riceandbeans | it's laden with commercial crap from canonical and malware |
| 21:00.58 | oatmeal | yeah i didn't like ubuntu ... but i did like mint... do you ever recommend mint? |
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| 21:01.44 | oatmeal | cafuego: did you mean gentoo is rolling for some specific reason?? |
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| 21:02.08 | oatmeal | it just seems that arch wuld want to go more for stability than for bleeding edge |
| 21:02.48 | cafuego | That seems to not be compatible with "rolling distribution" if you ask me. |
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| 21:03.45 | cafuego | Mind you, the only experience I'd had with arch was trying to fix someones arch mythtv box. |
| 21:03.47 | riceandbeans | oatmeal: mint is a heavy UI on debian/ubuntu with binary blobs |
| 21:04.03 | riceandbeans | if you want user friendly to a very heavy end, mint is ok |
| 21:04.09 | riceandbeans | but there are other issues with mint |
| 21:04.35 | riceandbeans | if you use mint it will say no package updates through the mint package management, and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will show like 200 packages to be upgraded |
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| 21:05.17 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of jelly) |
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| 21:05.34 | oatmeal | tell jelly oatmeal says hi... |
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| 21:07.10 | peterrooney | dpkg: literal here |
| 21:07.11 | dpkg | "here" is "<reply>$who is here. Auto-here every 10 minutes. Log is ON." |
| 21:08.08 | oatmeal | i did like the unverse wallpapers |
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| 21:08.16 | oatmeal | and how they changed every few minutes |
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| 21:10.21 | xXxBlazerxXx | Hello, If you can fluently speak french and english PM me |
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| 21:15.25 | anddam | maybe he wanted to (fluently) speak about "Debià n" |
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| 21:28.36 | nrubsig | Question about package development: can I build ksh_93u+20120801-1.debian.tar.gz from http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/ksh "manually" without apt-get ? |
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| 21:29.43 | daemonkeeper | You don't need apt at all to build a source package. |
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| 21:33.32 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: Ok... lets start from the beginning... we like to revamp a debian package and want to check-in the current source package to a subversion repository to make a lot of changes and test then from there internally on our side first. first question is... what needs to be commited to the subversion repository and how can we build that and build a debian source package from it ? |
| 21:34.26 | daemonkeeper | You check out the source package straight from the packaging repository, or you take the existing source package. From the working directory you then do dpkg-buildpackage -b |
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| 21:36.41 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: Looking at http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/ksh ... what is the "correct" source package ? |
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| 21:37.10 | daemonkeeper | nrubsig: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/ksh.html You found one of the fews not having one. |
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| 21:38.08 | nrubsig | erm |
| 21:38.26 | themill | don't all the cool kids use mksh instead these days? |
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| 21:39.51 | nrubsig | themill: well... if you like crashes and have all your non-ASCII characters ruined into binary gargabe, ignore POSIX/SUS conformance and have no fast, multibyte-aware POSIX shell builtins (like cp, mv, ln, rm, rmdir, ls, printf, echo, tr, etc.) ... then "yes" |
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| 21:40.23 | nrubsig | themill: but please lets keep to the topic for now |
| 21:40.26 | nrubsig | please |
| 21:41.13 | syeekick | how to copy everything off a usb into specified folder? is it |
| 21:41.47 | syeekick | cp /media/202A-E1EC -a ? |
| 21:41.57 | xand | nope |
| 21:42.02 | xand | you need to give the destination |
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| 21:42.21 | jordanm | nrubsig: what shell are you using where those utilities are builtins (besides echo and printf)? |
| 21:43.26 | nrubsig | jordanm: ksh93 has those... but the Debian ksh93 package has bugs so they get lost at build time. On Solaris 11 the builtins (if compatible to the native ones in /usr/bin) are enabled by default and the others can be loaded via $ builtin <name> # ... |
| 21:44.32 | daemonkeeper | Well. The ksh package is looking for some love: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691199 |
| 21:44.34 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: back to the topic... looking at http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/ksh ... isn't ksh_93u+20120801-1.debian.tar.gz the right source package ? |
| 21:44.45 | daemonkeeper | nrubsig: apt-get source ksh |
| 21:44.45 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: I know... Olga Kryzhanovska is taking over |
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| 21:45.22 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: that doesn't help me if I want to do internal development using subversion first without having to rely on apt-get, right ? |
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| 21:45.33 | buu | How do I tell what frequency my cpus are currently operating at? |
| 21:45.49 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: the goal for now would be to develop the package using subversion and then publish the final result later |
| 21:45.56 | jordanm | buu: it should be reflected in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:45.59 | farenheid | buu: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:46.06 | themill | nrubsig: you wanted the existing source package -- the first step of that is to apt-get source $package. |
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| 21:46.22 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: the Debian ksh93 is horribly buggy... saying that as the engineer who did the ksh93 integration into Solaris 11 |
| 21:46.23 | buu | jordanm: cpu MHz? |
| 21:46.38 | buu | How does that relate to bogomips? |
| 21:46.42 | daemonkeeper | nrubsig: Maybe you should start using Debian tools rather than random home-invention. If you really think you know what you're doing, you could retrieve files listed in http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/ksh/ksh_93u+20120801-1.dsc |
| 21:46.42 | themill | nrubsig: if you then want to stick it into a VCS, you can do that. There are svn-inject and svn-upgrade if you really want to use svn. |
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| 21:50.32 | Frosh | How do people image linux/debian machines without the internet? any guides? |
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| 21:51.46 | peterrooney | Frosh: unclear what you mean by "image" |
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| 21:52.19 | Frosh | say I want to install debian on to this new machine with a set of package i tested |
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| 21:52.30 | Frosh | I don't want to redownload from internet |
| 21:52.44 | Frosh | like sysprep for windows? |
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| 21:53.38 | bbtech | I use my dot file manager in combination with my installApps script @ https://github.com/brettbatie/dotfiles |
| 21:53.50 | bbtech | Frosh, that uses the internet though |
| 21:54.29 | buu | So if you have cpus that have frequency scaling, what speed do they run at without cpufreq? |
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| 21:55.33 | Frosh | so how do people spin up new instances of debian on vps? |
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| 21:55.51 | tremon | Frosh: a normal backup and restore procedure would suffice |
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| 21:57.05 | bbtech | Frosh, could just use: sudo aptitude install $(cat file.txt) where file.txt has a list of apps to install |
| 21:57.25 | bbtech | Frosh, dd is also good for copying the entire disk to another disk |
| 21:57.57 | Frosh | for dd, I don't want the same name of the computer |
| 21:58.04 | bbtech | Frosh, I think you can customize the installation CD/image as well but I've never done that |
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| 21:58.14 | tremon | !debian clone |
| 21:58.14 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 21:58.52 | bbtech | !debian aptitude clone |
| 21:59.04 | Frosh | thanks now I have something to go on |
| 21:59.08 | tremon | however that procedure will redownload all packages, unless you restore /var/cache/apt from the source machine (and have never run apt-get clean there) |
| 21:59.10 | bbtech | !debian "aptitude clone" |
| 22:00.26 | bbtech | I use aptitude search '~i!~M' instead of --get-selections |
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| 22:02.57 | oatmeal | anyone feel like helping me with an issue i'm having with kali? i got banned from the kali channel |
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| 22:05.07 | abrotman | oatmeal: oddly, this channel supports Debian, try ##linux |
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| 22:05.41 | oatmeal | abrotman: that is odd |
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| 22:06.19 | nrubsig | sigh |
| 22:06.31 | abrotman | oatmeal: no, it's not, Kali is NOT Debian, and therefore not supported here |
| 22:06.46 | oatmeal | abrotman: oh you were being sarcastic |
| 22:06.50 | oatmeal | abrotman: i get it |
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| 22:07.10 | abrotman | no, go to ##linux |
| 22:07.19 | oatmeal | what do you mean no... |
| 22:07.35 | abrotman | can see why he got banned |
| 22:07.45 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: I have serious issues with $ apt-get source ksh # ... it downloads a lot of stuff and then patches it before I can even touch file files... how can I prevent it from patching the sources ? |
| 22:07.50 | CyberSix | lol |
| 22:07.53 | oatmeal | i think kali kind of is debian though areally |
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| 22:08.42 | oatmeal | i'm kind of considering putting debian on the flash disk instead of kali, andthen just installing all the kali tool kits |
| 22:08.45 | daemonkeeper | nrubsig: Well, you asked for the source package. The source package includes these patches. |
| 22:08.49 | oatmeal | since i can't get my wifi card to work |
| 22:09.17 | abrotman | oatmeal: either install Debian or go to ##linux |
| 22:09.19 | oatmeal | the adapter even has the backtrack dragon on it |
| 22:09.23 | Serpiente | disaster recovery: a friend of mine lost hundreds of gb of image files, due to a hack on his server, the "hacker" deleted the files using rm -Rf * - there was no overwriting of those files. is there a (paid) way to get the files back? |
| 22:09.34 | oatmeal | abrotman: well i'm considering isntalling debian |
| 22:09.35 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: the only thing we want to do is to get the source package, work on it in several iterations and then push the changes back to debian once all development&&testing iterations are done |
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| 22:09.50 | sjamaan | Serpiente: Yes, if the disk hasn't been written too, there are plenty of data recovery companies |
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| 22:10.05 | sjamaan | Important is to NOT do anything with that disk |
| 22:10.12 | Serpiente | already told him |
| 22:10.13 | sjamaan | Anything you try will make it harder to retrieve the data |
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| 22:10.21 | daemonkeeper | nrubsig: Yet, these patches are part of the source package. You can easily drop them, but they're already in. |
| 22:10.33 | daemonkeeper | Look up debian/patches and how to use quilt(1) |
| 22:10.36 | sjamaan | Maybe you can safely make an image off it and try your own restoration attempts on that |
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| 22:11.30 | nrubsig | groan |
| 22:11.53 | oatmeal | abrotman: community is important though... i actually got kicked from both kalilinux and mint channels... |
| 22:12.02 | oatmeal | abrotman: very frustrating... |
| 22:12.07 | Serpiente | any recommandations for company in germany/ europe? |
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| 22:12.19 | abrotman | oatmeal: i can see why |
| 22:12.21 | oatmeal | abrotman: i thought that maybe the debian community would be more chillaxed |
| 22:12.29 | oatmeal | abrotman: explain... |
| 22:12.32 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: this is not what I want. To explain it in RPM terms... I want to edit the *.spec file *only* and provide an all-new source package, too. How do I do that with Debian ? |
| 22:13.03 | nrubsig | Serpiente: Ask the US embassy, section "NSA" ... |
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| 22:13.13 | nrubsig | (sorry, couldn't resist) :-) |
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| 22:13.25 | Serpiente | nrubsig: :) |
| 22:13.33 | daemonkeeper | nrubsig: Debian packages are a lot more complex than RPM spec files. Mostly because they are much better integrated into Debian. That being said, you can just do as I told you and copy-over the debian/ directory (minust debian/patches) |
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| 22:13.53 | themill | remembering that the patches are there for a reason |
| 22:14.09 | nrubsig | daemonkeeper: I tried that but I can't get rid of the source files which are suddenly duplicated |
| 22:14.11 | oatmeal | abrotman: they're talking about government --- better warn them and demand they go to the #government channel |
| 22:14.25 | themill | nrubsig: duplicated? |
| 22:14.30 | nrubsig | themill: the patches are for ksh93 version u+, the new version is ksh93 v- |
| 22:14.34 | abrotman | oatmeal: stop being difficult |
| 22:14.59 | CyberSix | waits... |
| 22:15.08 | nrubsig | thinks |
| 22:15.12 | themill | nrubsig: right, so you're wanting to upgrade to a new upstream version -- it would be handy if you could tell us these things btw. Doing this by guesswork is hard. |
| 22:15.16 | themill | dpkg: tell nrubsig about uupdate |
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| 22:16.23 | nrubsig | themill: basically we want to rebuild the whole package from scratch |
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| 22:16.32 | nrubsig | which includes a new upstream version, too |
| 22:16.37 | themill | nrubsig: in which case, why do you want the existing packaging at all? |
| 22:17.06 | themill | nrubsig: btw have you found the new maintainer's guide and worked through it? |
| 22:17.09 | nrubsig | themill: as basis to work on since we don't know the Debian package system yet... quite a steep learning curve right now |
| 22:17.13 | nrubsig | yes |
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| 22:17.23 | themill | ok, because many of the questions you're asking are covered in that |
| 22:17.33 | nrubsig | not in the way we want to use it |
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| 22:17.44 | themill | "use it" |
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| 22:18.21 | oatmeal | abrotman: am i allowed to ask about jabber here? |
| 22:18.33 | themill | nrubsig: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html#newupstream is exactly what you're doing. |
| 22:18.34 | nrubsig | point is to do some development _locally_ (since they are likely >=100) and then push the final, tested(!!, e.g. must pass the ksh93 and POSIX shell testsuites) and verified source package back |
| 22:18.52 | nrubsig | s/100/100 changes/ |
| 22:18.54 | CyberSix | only if it's for debian! |
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| 22:19.50 | themill | nrubsig: all developers do all their packaging and testing on their local machines and then upload a final package. There's nothing special in what you're doing. |
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| 22:20.36 | nrubsig | well... right now I'm already cursing in ways that it's raining acid+dinosaurs |
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| 22:21.20 | nrubsig | (sorry, I'm just tired... it's 11.21h PM here) |
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| 22:22.23 | themill | nrubsig: you might like to wander over to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net as that's where packaging help is normally done. You'll also find it easier to get good answers to questions if you more fully describe what it is you're trying to achieve and perhaps show a pastebin with a command and the output and describe what's wrong with it. |
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| 22:22.31 | themill | (and thanks for giving an unloved package some love) |
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| 22:23.37 | nrubsig | right now I'm trying to understand what debian tried to archive with the multiarch stuff... as result all tests in the POSIX testsuite just choke and die in new and never seen ways |
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| 22:23.50 | nrubsig | and I've seen a lot in my life |
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| 22:24.25 | nrubsig | 12 years of POSIX conformance testing experience... but this one... is... new |
| 22:24.27 | TheSin | I have a quick question, if I do NOT want multiarch, currently the package I have is using /usr/lib/arch/libfoo.so, I want just /usr/lib/libfoo.so, what in the control file turns multiarch off? |
| 22:24.37 | themill | nrubsig: what is the test suite doing that multiarch interferes with it? |
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| 22:24.51 | nrubsig | themill: compiling testcases |
| 22:24.52 | themill | TheSin: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 22:25.11 | TheSin | themill, to have my libs install in /usr/lib/ using debhelper |
| 22:25.18 | themill | TheSin: why? |
| 22:25.23 | themill | nrubsig: sounds like it's incorrectly specifying library paths. The compiler+linker already know where to find the libraries |
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| 22:25.42 | nrubsig | wants a 30mm BOSSLER shotgun and chase some people around for fun |
| 22:25.43 | TheSin | themill, because I'm a porting debhelper to a new system that doesn't support multiarch builds |
| 22:26.22 | nrubsig | is away for 10mins |
| 22:26.24 | TheSin | I was hoping there was a swtich to use rather then trying to patch it out |
| 22:26.29 | cretsiah | do the debian live discs have wpa2 connectivity and can they transfer that to a hard drive install? also do they allow bluetooth devices as i want to use a keyboard via bluetooth |
| 22:26.30 | themill | TheSin: egads. Fixing your toolchain would be better. |
| 22:28.05 | TheSin | themill, there really isn't a need, there is only one arch for this OS, and we dont' control the compiler or dev tools, thus I could shove it into LDFLAGS or and such but that gets ugly, just installing without multiarch would be much cleaner for this system |
| 22:28.40 | themill | TheSin: multiarch is deeply embedded within the toolchain and all the packaging. You can't just turn it off |
| 22:29.30 | themill | TheSin: you could use a symlink to point the multiarch paths back to the no-arch paths... but you'd better make sure you never want to change your mind on that decision. |
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| 22:29.48 | TheSin | damn, okay thanks, I was hoping I could change same for none or something in the control file, but that is okay I'll work on updating flags then |
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| 22:40.05 | SOUL_OF_R00T | good night guys ! |
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| 22:50.50 | zamba | where's mkinitrd in debian? |
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| 22:52.03 | zamba | i'm trying to rescue a debian system, and finding that mkinitrd isn't present |
| 22:52.26 | sharky | zamba, # find / -iname "*mkinitrd*" |
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| 22:53.06 | zamba | only hit is /etc/bash_completion.d/mkinitrd |
| 22:53.46 | hatori | hello... someone help me with setup bridge for ppp0 device created in usb modem connection in debian for lxc .. is it possible ? |
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| 22:55.06 | hikenboot | hello I am asking here figuring someone might be able to find the right place to act. I run a debian web server (domain works fine and so doesnt wordpress) in the same domain I am trying to host autoconfig.<my domain>.com and autodiscover.<mydomain>.com getting error dns rebind attack error ...any ideas where to find help on such a problem |
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| 22:57.35 | abrotman | zamba: mkinitramfs |
| 22:57.53 | acu | OK, I have a samba server on one site and want people to be able to connect to it remotely -they have only windows clients - what is the best solutions (the server where the samba shared files are - is a Wheezy - and it has ssh too) |
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| 22:59.05 | acu | so there are two sites at differnt locations |
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| 22:59.09 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:00.50 | zamba | abrotman: update-intiramfs |
| 23:00.52 | zamba | abrotman: that worked |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | zamba: that's a different thing, but sure |
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| 23:02.26 | zamba | abrotman :) |
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| 23:03.59 | gnarface | abrotman: you'd better not let them switch debian to upstard |
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| 23:09.18 | naptastic | I realize this is probably out of scope here, but neither #wordpress nor #php could help me, and suggested perhaps it's an OS-level issue |
| 23:09.44 | naptastic | I want to set ownership on my web directories to user:www-data, so I can set 'other' permissions to 0, for added security. |
| 23:09.55 | naptastic | So I chown and chmod everything, which is great |
| 23:09.55 | jair | guys, I am suspecting my system to havd a HD failure. if I want to run fsck, I tried to create a blank file on "/" /forcefsck and run the command fsck -r now but I guess it did not check all the file systems... |
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| 23:10.28 | naptastic | jair, forcefsck means fsck on reboot; you can't fsck / without rebooting. |
| 23:11.08 | naptastic | so I upload a file using Wordpress' uploader, and it gets created as user:user instead of user:www-data. (Interestingly, thumbnails get created as user:www-data.) What am I missing here? |
| 23:11.09 | jair | naptastic: I rebooted the system but the check was just way too quick, and I have a 500GB disk |
| 23:11.28 | sharky | jair, fsck should normally be run on unmounted drive/partition |
| 23:11.41 | naptastic | jair, what filesystem is it? If it's ext4, then it may have just been that fast. |
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| 23:12.03 | jair | sharky: let me be clear. I want to check and automatic try to repair any errors on my whole HD |
| 23:12.18 | jair | it is EXT4 |
| 23:12.19 | sharky | naptastic, check what user is runing you web server |
| 23:12.49 | naptastic | sharky, the web server runs as www-data. I'm using PHP-FPM, so PHP processes run as a specific user. |
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| 23:13.25 | jair | If my HD is actually failing then there is nothing FSCK can do on it right? |
| 23:13.44 | jair | I think I need to start backing up my files and migrate data to a new HD |
| 23:13.51 | naptastic | jair, correct. |
| 23:14.04 | naptastic | jair, remember, there are two types of hard disks in the world: those that have failed, and those that are going to fail. |
| 23:14.14 | jair | naptastic: but I was thinking what will be the best way/tool to confirm this? |
| 23:14.31 | naptastic | jair, smartctl (part of smartmontools package) |
| 23:14.41 | jair | ahh I can try that |
| 23:14.52 | naptastic | jair, interpreting its output, however, is non-trivial. A lot of it comes down to intuition. |
| 23:15.18 | naptastic | jair, generally, if you have reallocated sectors, or pending sectors, or errors that have occurred recently, then it's time for a new drive. |
| 23:15.34 | naptastic | jair, also check /var/log/messages for errors in the ata subsystem, or soft lockups. |
| 23:16.19 | jair | naptastic: thank you! |
| 23:16.38 | naptastic | jair, you're welcome. Good luck. If you're going to order a hard drive, you should do so *now*... |
| 23:17.12 | jair | ha I actually have another one and will start migrating critical data |
| 23:17.13 | indeo | reallocated sectors > 0 == fail, cause the errors are very correlated |
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| 23:20.00 | jbwiv_ | so I installed openjdk-7-jre, and it installed a lot of dependencies. I then decided to remove it. However, apt-get autoremove openjdk-7-jre only removed perhaps 10%. I then looked in /var/log/apt/history.log, found the line which contained |
| 23:20.07 | jbwiv_ | what it installed, did some text munging |
| 23:20.12 | jbwiv_ | and then apt-get remove those packages |
| 23:20.20 | jbwiv_ | however, *that* removed far more than the original install |
| 23:20.25 | jbwiv_ | including things like dbus, etc |
| 23:20.28 | jair | naptastic: http://paste.debian.net/62670 |
| 23:20.41 | jair | naptastic: that is the output of my current drive |
| 23:20.48 | jbwiv_ | how can one reverse an install like this and simply bring the system back to where it was to begin with? |
| 23:22.49 | indeo | jair: I would image it with ddrescue asap if there's anything important |
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| 23:23.05 | naptastic | jair, you should replace that drive. Reallocated sectors, pending sectors, and offline-uncorrectable are all non-zero values. |
| 23:23.17 | naptastic | offline-uncorrectable is 417, which is pretty damn high. |
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| 23:23.33 | jair | indeo: thank you so much |
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| 23:24.51 | jair | naptastic: sounds good guys I will start backing up my data then (believe it or not the System is running now, but it is when I hit specific area of the disk starting or writing to it then it fails with an I/O error |
| 23:25.00 | jair | so i will start backing up now |
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| 23:25.37 | jair | indeo: ddrescue will copy the files in original format or covert them to some other extension? |
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| 23:26.51 | abrotman | gnarface: i'm still not sure why everyone wants to switch so badly .. |
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| 23:27.33 | indeo | jair: it's easiest if you have a drive of a same size, because you can make an (almost) exact replica of the failing disk, except the broken sectors |
| 23:28.37 | indeo | just make sure you input the right device names in command line |
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| 23:29.07 | jair | indeo: but the drive has to be 500GB or more correct? |
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| 23:29.40 | jair | I was thinking about using clonezilla and then image the machine into another identical laptop I have |
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| 23:30.35 | indeo | haven't tried that, but ddrescue is very simple to use |
| 23:31.20 | jair | indeo: alright I am not understanding how I will use it though. But let me ask you what I don't understand: |
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| 23:32.54 | jair | indeo: scenario: [bad drive] and [backup drive] current Linux and Data is running on [bad drive] I want to recover to transfer, copy, back up to [backup drive] |
| 23:33.58 | gnarface | abrotman: its called "SNS" and its a concept you first introduced to me. |
| 23:34.04 | jair | can I attach an external drive and try to back up to that drive? |
| 23:34.17 | jair | indeo: can I attach an external drive and try to back up to that drive? |
| 23:34.27 | gnarface | abrotman: the problem is from what i've read online Canonical is actually trying to drive this change in Debian, and that is upsetting. |
| 23:34.42 | gnarface | especially since they seem to be gaining traction |
| 23:35.01 | indeo | jair: boot with this livecd, the utilities are all there: http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ |
| 23:35.53 | indeo | and man ddrescue should help ;) |
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| 23:37.53 | abrotman | gnarface: upstart vs systemd .. good luck :) |
| 23:37.58 | jair | indeo: alright looks like I need to do some reading and understanding. At least the site has the tools and some info on how to use |
| 23:37.59 | abrotman | gnarface: see the threads on -devel recently |
| 23:38.13 | jair | indeo: I really appreciate your help I will start working with it |
| 23:38.24 | jair | indeo: but will use the usb drive instead |
| 23:38.27 | jair | :) |
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| 23:39.01 | gnarface | abrotman: they're both terrible choices, and the justifications are equally terrible. |
| 23:39.13 | crackerjackz | for some reason when i try to run the debian installer it freezes and black dots show up across the top of the screen |
| 23:39.20 | crackerjackz | any ideas on why it is doing this? |
| 23:39.22 | gnarface | what we shoudl be doing is taking what debian currently uses and shoving it down everyone else's throat |
| 23:39.28 | gnarface | for their own good |
| 23:39.34 | gnarface | they will thank us later |
| 23:39.34 | riceandbeans | I motion to start a movement to keep debian on sysvinit |
| 23:39.45 | gnarface | seconded |
| 23:39.48 | crackerjackz | i also tried the crunchbang installer and it froze and made lines come down the top of the screen |
| 23:41.17 | riceandbeans | I've been running debian since 3.0 and I don't want to see it destroy itself with systemd/upstart |
| 23:41.49 | riceandbeans | with the speed of debian releases, we should have at least 5 years to plan thouh |
| 23:42.08 | riceandbeans | gnarface: that was a joke |
| 23:42.34 | riceandbeans | anyway, I think it's worth holdin out |
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| 23:49.49 | abrotman | gnarface: i'm just saying to read the thread .. it's a lot of noise |
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| 23:50.22 | riceandbeans | abrotman: it's going to be a tragedy when it marks the death of debian |
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| 23:51.22 | riceandbeans | Debian GNU/Linux 1993-2014 R.I.P. |
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| 23:51.52 | riceandbeans | we need to get Ian Murdoch to fix this |
| 23:52.02 | daemonkeeper | blinks and decides he better disappears again |
| 23:52.02 | nonconvergent | ... |
| 23:52.17 | nonconvergent | What fresh hell have I logged into this time? |
| 23:52.27 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.31 | emss | what thread? |
| 23:52.45 | riceandbeans | eb0t: systemd/upstart |
| 23:52.52 | riceandbeans | even runit would be better |
| 23:53.02 | eb0t | ah ill look it up |
| 23:53.15 | daemonkeeper | emss: Go to debian-devel, find the thread with 400+ replies. Can't miss it. |
| 23:53.21 | eb0t | oh i like systemd |
| 23:53.21 | emss | haha |
| 23:53.25 | eb0t | i use it with arch linux |
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| 23:57.57 | riceandbeans | eb0t: get out |
| 23:58.00 | riceandbeans | away with ye |
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| 23:58.43 | riceandbeans | you realize, kFreeBSD is going to be dead with systemd, right? |
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| 23:58.55 | riceandbeans | because systemd does not accept ANY portability patches |