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| 00:01.43 | nonconvergent | I tried to do a build-depends in prep for a ssb but one of the libs I need, libmysqlcppconn-dev, "can't satisfy version requirements" |
| 00:02.04 | nonconvergent | can/should I just try a ssb on that as well? |
| 00:02.06 | daemonkeeper | Go back to start, repeat. |
| 00:02.10 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
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| 00:04.30 | riceandbeans | nonconvergent: two problems, one, mysql instead of postgres, two, we must throw out systemd |
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| 00:07.35 | themill | riceandbeans: please try to stick to constructive user support |
| 00:07.36 | nerium | I've a server that's currently having a load average of over 9 |
| 00:07.45 | nerium | Can anyone see anything wrong in top output? |
| 00:07.45 | nerium | http://i.imgur.com/iWkgpNo.png |
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| 00:13.00 | rjsalts | nerium: nope, nfs mounts not responding? |
| 00:13.25 | nerium | rjsalts: How do I know |
| 00:13.26 | nerium | ? |
| 00:13.39 | rjsalts | nerium: do you mount anything via nfs? |
| 00:13.47 | nerium | No |
| 00:13.58 | rjsalts | nerium: then that's not your problem |
| 00:14.02 | jzk1 | Hey so I have an issue and I can't think of where to start looking to fix it: In my xterm when I arrow-up into history, and then control-a to go to the beginning of the line -- the rendering messes up |
| 00:14.16 | syeekick | best steam for debian? |
| 00:14.26 | nerium | rjsalts: I think it has something todo with blocking i/o processes |
| 00:15.13 | rjsalts | nerium: hit i in top. It'll give you the currently running processes. ps auuwx | grep " [D] " will show you anything waiting on io |
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| 00:15.41 | rjsalts | syeekick: steam is pretty bad for computers ;0 |
| 00:16.01 | rjsalts | syeekick: sorry, you're talking from valve? |
| 00:16.08 | syeekick | uj |
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| 00:16.16 | nerium | rjsalts: Aha, thanks! |
| 00:16.17 | syeekick | yeah steam from valve |
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| 00:17.19 | rjsalts | syeekick: it's in non-free on jessie/sid |
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| 00:17.51 | rjsalts | syeekick: I think libc6 might be too old on wheezy |
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| 00:19.57 | rjsalts | syeekick: nope, I'm wrong |
| 00:20.38 | rjsalts | syeekick: you might be able to backport the package and run on wheezy if you didn't want the task of keeping testing/unstable box running |
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| 00:26.13 | nonconvergent | What the? |
| 00:26.38 | nonconvergent | I accidentally grabbed the sources for the wheezy not the stable version of that package. |
| 00:26.42 | nonconvergent | ...and built. |
| 00:27.03 | buu | How does 'turbo' work on intel cpus under debian? |
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| 00:36.56 | rhizome | hi all. i have an md mirror on lvm, and i have .config & .local and similar dirs symlinked to directories on it from a non-raid drive within lvm. these dirs don't seem to be active when i log in, and i'm told that icedove/iceweasel profiles aren't accessible, etc. can i activate these symlink connections before the session starts up somehow? |
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| 00:39.09 | Tylertwo | My screen goes blank sometimes after me being idle for a while. This just happened and I checked syslog and a couple other logs but didn't see the event recorded anywhere.. Any idea what is making this occur? I use Debian 7, and OpenBox with no DE. |
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| 00:39.38 | rhizome | Tylertwo: probably a screensaver |
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| 00:41.24 | Tylertwo | rhizome, any idea what the screensaver process would be called? I didn't install one |
| 00:41.42 | rhizome | not sure about openbox, but xscreensaver is pretty common |
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| 00:42.16 | emss | Tylertwo DPMS |
| 00:42.30 | rhizome | yeah, could be power management |
| 00:42.45 | emss | Tylertwo `man xset' /dpms |
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| 00:43.36 | Tylertwo | emss, would that match a process that is always running? |
| 00:44.00 | Tylertwo | I doubt it's xscreensaver, think that's not running and if it was I think I've disabled it via its settings also |
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| 00:44.29 | emss | ? |
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| 00:44.58 | abrotman | i'ts DPMS |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | !tell Tylertwo about blank |
| 00:46.29 | Tylertwo | yeah, sounds like it probably is dpms |
| 00:47.13 | emss | LAMBODIE need something? |
| 00:48.04 | ratdeptrai | Installed Jessie on hardware with ATI Radeon HD 3200, but the radeon driver is performing horribly. It won't recognize the second head, Gnome3 reports it can't "load" because of inferior video hardware, and there's no Xvideo support. There are errors in the Xorg.0.log regarding DRI and framebuffer. fglrx is not really an option on jessie and anyhow, I suspect that this hardware can work well with radeon, but perhaps I need |
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| 00:48.19 | ratdeptrai | Xorg.log here: http://pastebin.com/yCLb15Hv |
| 00:49.03 | rmdashrf | If I launch a lock screen application in my graphical session, what is there to stop a user from switching back to tty1 (where startx was ran) and just kill the lockscreen? Would a graphical login manager prevent this? |
| 00:49.43 | ratdeptrai | rmdashrf: nothing to stop him. You should log out of that tty1 session. |
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| 00:50.30 | rmdashrf | but wouldn't that close my graphical session? |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | rmdashrf: have you tried it? |
| 00:50.59 | ratdeptrai | rmdashrf: not if you background it. Either run "startx &" or use Ctrl-Z plus "bg" |
| 00:52.09 | rmdashrf | right. forgot to background startx. Thanks ratdeptrai :) |
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| 00:52.29 | peterrooney | rmdashrf: you will probably have to disown before you can logout |
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| 00:52.38 | abrotman | wonders how backgrounding helps |
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| 00:53.25 | rmdashrf | abrotman: i didn't background startx, so if i killed my tty1 session, X would also close |
| 00:53.25 | ratdeptrai | I've never had a problem with just backgrounding startx and logging out, but then I always redirect the output/error to a file in /tmp |
| 00:53.38 | syeekick | how to set chromium as your default browser? instead of ice weasel? |
| 00:53.46 | abrotman | rmdashrf: you didn't answer my original question |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | syeekick: in what? |
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| 00:54.22 | syeekick | abrotman in debianj |
| 00:54.25 | emss | rmdashrf you can disable Ctrl+Alt+FN in X and others |
| 00:54.26 | syeekick | debian wheezy |
| 00:54.41 | emss | Ctrl+Alt+Backspace etc. |
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| 00:54.54 | abrotman | syeekick: gnome? kde? |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | emss: it's disabled by default |
| 00:55.40 | abrotman | oh .. the Zap is disabled |
| 00:55.56 | syeekick | gnome |
| 00:56.20 | rmdashrf | syeekick: sudo update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser |
| 00:56.44 | rmdashrf | abrotman: i didn't try it |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | syeekick: click on your name in the upper right corner, System Settings, Details, Default Applicatoins |
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| 00:59.33 | Tylertwo | So, it looks like creating a file called "~/.xinitrc" with the text: xset s off # don't activate screensaver xset -dpms # disable DPMS (Energy Star) features. xset s noblank # don't blank the video device (on 3 different lines) would stop the screen blanking from occurring? |
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| 01:00.13 | syeekick | rmdashrf, im using xfce |
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| 01:01.22 | emss | Tylertwo ~/.xinitrc works if you use startx |
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| 01:01.42 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Tylertwo about dpms |
| 01:01.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Tylertwo about blank |
| 01:01.49 | Tylertwo | ah, I don't use startx usually |
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| 01:02.12 | abrotman | Tylertwo: you should use .xsession either way |
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| 01:03.14 | syeekick | its ok i got it sorted!! |
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| 01:04.43 | syeekick | command to list of newly installed applications or scripts? |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | cat /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 01:07.23 | Tylertwo | abrotman, so would you suggest I create a .xsession file with those same commands? I read the messages you sent me but I'm not seeing a clear solution there. |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | try it and see if it works |
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| 01:08.48 | Tylertwo | ok |
| 01:09.03 | Tylertwo | thanks for the help |
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| 01:13.34 | syeekick | where is the database/txt file for apt-cache search? |
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| 01:17.20 | abrotman | man apt-cache may tell you |
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| 01:39.21 | bbtech_ | Hmm, I'm not seeing any networks in Network Manager. I removed it and tried wicd and still no wifi networks. |
| 01:39.38 | bbtech_ | I am able to connect to a network by adding the config to the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 01:39.49 | bbtech_ | why is wicd and/or network manager not workin? |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | you probably don't want to have it listed in the interfaces file if you want n-m/wicd to manage it |
| 01:41.17 | bbtech_ | ok, I'll try removing it and rebooting |
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| 01:44.23 | syeekick | how would somone write a bash script to automate opneing programms on boot? once into debian |
| 01:45.18 | bbtech_ | syeekick: I believe you put a *.desktop file in ~/.config/autostart |
| 01:45.18 | peterrooney | !rc.local |
| 01:45.19 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 01:45.52 | bbtech_ | syeekick: * my approach is if you want it to run after the UI is loaded |
| 01:47.06 | peterrooney | reads "on boot" and not "on login" |
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| 01:48.00 | syeekick | how do i add that to /home/syee/Downloads/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64/ts3client_runscript.sh |
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| 01:50.23 | abrotman | bbtech_: wifi? |
| 01:50.41 | bbtech_ | abrotman: still rebooting, lol |
| 01:50.57 | abrotman | bbtech_: also note, you have to tell wicd to manage your wifi device |
| 01:51.14 | bbtech_ | abrotman: yeah, I saw that just before rebooting |
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| 01:51.28 | bbtech_ | abrotman: adding the wlan0 to wicd got it working |
| 01:51.44 | bbtech_ | abrotman: not sure if I should still remove the config from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:51.49 | un214 | so who else saw the news about debian considering upstart |
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| 01:52.01 | bbtech_ | I don't quite understand how interfaces vs wicd works |
| 01:52.15 | bbtech_ | I would assume wicd just changes the interfaces file ....but that doesn't appear to be the case |
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| 01:53.19 | abrotman | it does not |
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| 01:54.17 | bbtech_ | I guess wicd vs interfaces are two different ways to talk to the nic? |
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| 01:55.04 | gnarface | bbtech_: the interfaces file is subverted in various ways by several different frontends. some just ignore it, some will actually edit it (usually just to nullify it though) |
| 01:55.32 | gnarface | bbtech_: in general its a good idea to examine in detail the behavior of your particular tool as the abstraction may not be ... complete. |
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| 01:55.39 | abrotman | bbtech_: yes, if wicd works, just use it |
| 01:56.11 | bbtech_ | yup wicd works |
| 01:56.20 | bbtech_ | I'm hopeing it will work better than network manager |
| 01:56.37 | gnarface | LAMBODIE: if you have a debian related question ask it in-channel please. i'm not interested in your pokeman spam |
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| 01:57.08 | abrotman | bbtech: they do roughly the same thing, i use n-m on one box, wicd on another |
| 01:57.15 | gnarface | bites his tongue at the mention of network-manager |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | please do |
| 01:57.27 | gnarface | just did, see? |
| 01:57.34 | un214 | I would happily purge network manager |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | folks complaining about n-m these days likely haven't used it in quite some time |
| 01:58.15 | gnarface | definitely has not used it recently |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | right, exactly my point |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | didn't know that | came after Z |
| 01:58.53 | un214 | I'm not used to needing anything more than dhclient eth0 & dhclient eth1 & |
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| 01:59.10 | abrotman | see above statement |
| 01:59.20 | bbtech_ | abrotman: I'm complaining about it and it's all I've used up until now |
| 01:59.45 | bbtech_ | abrotman: granted I might have the same issue with wicd |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | bbtech_: n-m works well honestly, given the problems it solves, it works well |
| 02:00.12 | un214 | you'd probably barf at my "solution" |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | and it's not completely flaky like it was five years ago |
| 02:00.16 | bbtech_ | abrotman: not for me, random disconnects and refuses to reconnect without a full reboot |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | un214: you probably edit a file because you won't read the n-m documentation .. |
| 02:00.32 | bbtech_ | abrotman: others online have complained about the same thing and concluded wicd didn't have the issue |
| 02:00.44 | dvs | polishes wpa-supplicant |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | bbtech_: okay |
| 02:01.08 | un214 | I kept a bunch of recycle scripts in /root last time I had a mobile system. |
| 02:01.09 | bbtech_ | I will know in about 24 hours if wicd is better :-) |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | bbtech_: well, see how wicd goes .. like i said, i use one here, the other elsewhere |
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| 02:01.27 | abrotman | un214: luddite ... |
| 02:01.30 | un214 | one for each environment |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sanzilla about root |
| 02:01.39 | un214 | n-m didn't exist back then |
| 02:01.47 | abrotman | there were other options |
| 02:03.22 | gnarface | what's the one kde uses? i was actually kinda impressed with how it worked |
| 02:03.37 | un214 | abrotman: not that worked. that driver sucked. |
| 02:03.37 | gnarface | even though it edited my interfaces file, it at least cleanly castrated it so they wouldn't conflict |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | un214: of course, only your way works |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | gnarface: kde uses a n-m frontend |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | i think |
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| 02:04.25 | abrotman | it may have options I'm not aware of, but there is a KDE frontend for n-m |
| 02:04.47 | gnarface | it looked a lot like n-m but i thought it was something completely different spelled with a k |
| 02:04.52 | gnarface | but maybe it was just a frontend |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | kn-m :) |
| 02:05.13 | un214 | look I'm sure they fixed it by now, but that stupid broadcom driver had to be rmmod'd and re modprobe'd every time the network jammed. |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | don't buy crappy hardware? :) |
| 02:05.54 | LAMBODIE | vullaby cant be caught in pokemon white for more tips like this just ask me LAMBODIE da pokemaster and join #LAMBODIE-CLAN server for da hangout of da best pokemon XY clan on da net. |
| 02:06.03 | un214 | well it was my first wireless card |
| 02:06.20 | bbtech_ | abrotman: what do you recommend for a desktop nic? |
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| 02:06.38 | abrotman | bbtech_: wired or wireless? |
| 02:06.42 | gnarface | un214: hot tip: (pun intended) broadcom hardware is flaky, but with some models the flakiness can be somewhat correlated with heating issues. try extra cooling/aftermarket heatsyncs |
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| 02:06.45 | abrotman | eh, i think the answer is intel either way :) |
| 02:06.45 | bbtech_ | abrotman: wireless |
| 02:06.59 | bbtech_ | abrotman: thanks, I will buy that next time |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | bbtech_: intel or ath9k stuff |
| 02:07.16 | bbtech_ | ath9k is that an abbreviation? |
| 02:07.21 | un214 | gnarface: effectively I tried a blowtorch |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bbtech_ about ath9k |
| 02:07.28 | gnarface | abrotman: i've got no problems with any intel or 3com hardware i've ever had. |
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| 02:07.44 | abrotman | gnarface: wireless ... |
| 02:08.16 | gnarface | eh. last actually GOOD wireless card i had was the lucent/alcatel orinoco gold thing |
| 02:08.19 | gnarface | (802.11b) |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | gnarface: mine work well, intel, still requires firmware sadly |
| 02:08.41 | gnarface | since then they've gone straight downhill, but at least the realtek stuff is cheap enough that when you have problems you can shrug and say "oh well it was only 9$" |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | gnarface: yay winmodems |
| 02:09.17 | gnarface | abrotman: :-/ |
| 02:09.26 | dvs | gnarface: I still have an 11g USB adapter that needs no firmware. |
| 02:09.45 | bbtech_ | I'm using realtek but not happy with the random disconnects |
| 02:09.46 | gnarface | dvs: manufacturer? |
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| 02:10.10 | dvs | gnarface: D-Link. I can't remember the chipset. |
| 02:10.35 | gnarface | bbtech_: mine seems allergic to the wireless keyboard dongle. move them so they're not in adjacent usb ports, or just move the whole thing closer to the router |
| 02:10.54 | un214 | bbetch_: I use too much that doesn't like random disconnects |
| 02:10.58 | gnarface | dvs: that's interesting as its probably also realtek... |
| 02:11.03 | kaste | Hey I have a xen vm on a debian lenny that won't start with Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. |
| 02:11.04 | gnarface | dvs: but i'd be curious to know for sure |
| 02:11.20 | dvs | gnarface: I'll go check... |
| 02:11.38 | kaste | what could be the cause? /var/log/xen/xen-hotplug does not exist and /var/log/xen/xend.log isn't helping |
| 02:12.00 | gnarface | dvs: i thought i heard some of them the firmware is optional and you only need it if you're doing wpa2 or something like that, but i'm not sure. you using wpa2? |
| 02:12.37 | dvs | gnarface: I am but I'm not using that adapter. |
| 02:12.58 | dvs | gnarface: D-Link DWL-G122 rev B1 |
| 02:13.39 | gnarface | dvs: hmm. interesting, i'll have to check but mine might just be an older revision of the same line. the numbers look similar. |
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| 02:14.51 | oatmeal | what are the major differences between debian and crunchbang? |
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| 02:15.28 | abrotman | oatmeal: ask #crunchbang, we don't use it |
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| 02:15.37 | gnarface | bbtech_: mine actually seems to work fine as long as its within 5-7 feet of the router for the DHCP handshake or DHCP will certainly fail. after that i can get up to 20 feet away from the router and it'll stay connected until someone within the building starts a microwave or a baby monitor |
| 02:16.05 | nkuttler | oatmeal: one important difference is that debian is supported in #debian, crunchbang isn't |
| 02:16.06 | bbtech_ | gnarface: that is annoying |
| 02:16.09 | oatmeal | abrotman: you speak for everyone i see |
| 02:16.26 | nkuttler | oatmeal: he does indeed |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | oatmeal: I completely understand why you keep getting banned |
| 02:16.28 | oatmeal | nkuttler: what's the significance of that? |
| 02:16.34 | oatmeal | nkuttler: for you you mean... |
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| 02:16.46 | oatmeal | abrotman: explain... |
| 02:16.54 | gnarface | knows when the bullets start flying its time to duck & cover |
| 02:17.41 | STMelon | lol |
| 02:18.35 | oatmeal | nobodies in #crunchbang... |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | #crunchbang-linux |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | oatmeal: /msg alis list *crunchbang* |
| 02:19.09 | kaste | What meaning full answer would you even expect? |
| 02:19.35 | oatmeal | lol ... literally nobody (0 people) are in that chan abrotman |
| 02:19.45 | abrotman | kaste: there's a #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net, but lenny is really old |
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| 02:19.50 | oatmeal | crunchbang is a debian fork, and i'm talking about debian and crunchbang lol |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | oh, it is #crunchbang |
| 02:20.05 | STMelon | but crunchbang is NOT debian |
| 02:20.14 | STMelon | what works in crunchbang, may not work in debain |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | with almost 200 people in that channel |
| 02:20.31 | kaste | sorry it's squeeze |
| 02:20.45 | kaste | cat /etc/debian_version says 6.0.8 |
| 02:21.25 | STMelon | 183 users in #crunchbang |
| 02:21.41 | nkuttler | oh my, there was a point release |
| 02:21.44 | oatmeal | i want to know how they are different |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | oatmeal: ask #crunchbang |
| 02:22.03 | oatmeal | i don't think there is a #crunchbanganddebian channel |
| 02:22.08 | oatmeal | though |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | there is ##linux |
| 02:22.13 | nkuttler | oatmeal: ##linux |
| 02:22.13 | STMelon | #crunchbang has 183 users |
| 02:22.16 | STMelon | join it |
| 02:22.20 | oatmeal | why don't you just stop harassing me |
| 02:22.28 | oatmeal | i did |
| 02:22.32 | oatmeal | nobody is active |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | oatmeal: we've told you where to go to ask, this isn't the right place |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | that's not our problem, go ask the right place |
| 02:22.48 | oatmeal | your standards apply equally to other channels |
| 02:22.50 | STMelon | see's why he gets banned as well |
| 02:23.03 | oatmeal | i'm asking about 2 distros |
| 02:23.14 | oatmeal | you tell me 1 distro channel isn't the right one, and the other one is the right one |
| 02:23.15 | abrotman | this is a Debian support channel, not a distro comparison channel |
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| 02:23.23 | dvs | oatmeal: ...and we don't know about the other distro. |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | looks around for an op ... |
| 02:23.29 | oatmeal | you talk about politics all day |
| 02:23.31 | oatmeal | who cares |
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| 02:23.42 | STMelon | lol |
| 02:23.43 | ctmjr | abrotman is getting patient in his old age |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | oatmeal: again, this channel is for Debian support |
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| 02:23.52 | abrotman | oatmeal: good luck in ##linux |
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| 02:28.52 | STMelon | just wonders why it is so difficult for some ppl to type in a web browser, the differences between crunchbang and debian |
| 02:29.04 | STMelon | GOGGLE, really, is your friend |
| 02:29.12 | STMelon | google* |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | just drop it .. |
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| 02:31.10 | Sebboh | Hi. I want to change what happens when I close my laptop lid. I'm not using gnome or anything, I think the lid-close event is handled by hal or whatever replaced hal. How can I tell who is receiving the lid-close event? |
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| 02:32.05 | abrotman | Sebboh: the acpi events are probably what yu're looking for |
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| 02:33.56 | Sebboh | Thanks, I'll look! |
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| 02:39.09 | knob | Hey guys, could you give me some direction? I have a "raspberry pi" virtual machine. I compiled ffmpeg in it. Now I copied those files into the phycal raspberry pi's /usr/src ....... Do I have to do something else to be able to use ffmpeg? |
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| 02:47.34 | ctmjr | knob, ask in #raspbian they might know more about it |
| 02:47.49 | knob | on my way. Thanks ctmjr |
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| 02:59.29 | jcrowgey | hi debian people anyone here use the android sdk? |
| 03:00.01 | tiron | is there a way to "re-detect" usb devices (in this case an external harddrive) |
| 03:00.08 | tiron | so that I dont have to disconnect them physically and reconnect them |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | rescan you mean? |
| 03:00.28 | tiron | abrotman: I suppose that might be it |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tiron about scsi rescan |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | not sure if it would work for usb or not |
| 03:01.56 | nkuttler | jcrowgey: many in #android-dev do |
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| 03:10.11 | djafifa | #oftc |
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| 03:28.21 | vmiimu | hello - what's the best way to re-create /home directories for existing users? |
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| 03:40.54 | Kuroshita | hey is it safe to use the deb-multimedia.org repo? |
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| 03:41.52 | thaicares | Lenovo ThinkPad X60 in the possesion of one of you out there? maybe you can tell me about it before I purchase one? |
| 03:41.55 | rudi_s | !multimedia |
| 03:41.56 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 03:42.04 | rudi_s | thaicares: ^ |
| 03:42.11 | rudi_s | Oh, sorry. |
| 03:42.12 | rudi_s | Kuroshita: ^ |
| 03:42.33 | rudi_s | !why not dmm |
| 03:42.33 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 03:42.50 | vmiimu | What's the best way to re-create /home directories for existing users -- I lost the /home partition and need to recreate the default folders for existing users on Wheezy |
| 03:42.58 | rudi_s | The only package which is missing for me from Debian is libdvdcss. |
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| 03:43.31 | Kuroshita | rudi_s right! so I shouldn't have issue with playing mp3s and flash then without the repo? |
| 03:43.39 | Kuroshita | just add nonfree? |
| 03:43.47 | rudi_s | Kuroshita: Flash is a big problem, but the rest works just fine. |
| 03:43.53 | rudi_s | No need for non-free. |
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| 03:44.07 | Kuroshita | thank you |
| 03:44.15 | rudi_s | np |
| 03:44.16 | rudi_s | !flash |
| 03:44.17 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 03:44.21 | rudi_s | Kuroshita: ^ |
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| 03:45.09 | rudi_s | vmiimu: Look over the existing users and copy /etc/skel to /home/<user> and chown it. |
| 03:45.15 | rudi_s | *Loop |
| 03:45.42 | vmiimu | rudi_s thanx /etc/skel is the one i was looking for ! |
| 03:45.58 | rudi_s | np |
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| 03:46.17 | rudi_s | vmiimu: Only match UIDs between 1000 and 29999 |
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| 04:09.03 | mojzesz | Hi all |
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| 04:11.41 | mojzesz | I want to ask about triednt video accelerator cyberblade xp has anyone this graphic card working under debian squezee on full screen display not on small area in the middle of screen? |
| 04:12.31 | mojzesz | trident |
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| 04:14.28 | mojzesz | I'm asking because after install debian i have only small window in the middle |
| 04:15.45 | mojzesz | I hope that someone will know how fix this |
| 04:15.47 | emss | mojzesz can you open a terminal and see it? |
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| 04:16.48 | mojzesz | No i'm on way to work and i'm writing from mobile phone |
| 04:17.50 | mojzesz | I don't know that can help modprobe tridentfb in text mode |
| 04:18.15 | emss | oh you are not using X? |
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| 04:18.46 | mojzesz | Or i must modprobe do when debian is booting |
| 04:19.24 | emss | mojzesz you can try changing video modes by passing vga= on boot |
| 04:19.34 | mojzesz | Not yet when i was go out he was finishing text installation |
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| 04:20.20 | mojzesz | U mean vesa mode? |
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| 04:22.16 | mojzesz | Before join this room first i try find answer by myself but not enough time |
| 04:22.25 | mojzesz | If i good thinking when grub shows i must press E letter? |
| 04:22.34 | emss | yes |
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| 04:23.00 | mojzesz | And must load trident module then? |
| 04:23.28 | mojzesz | Or before modprobe better upgrade kernel? |
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| 04:23.48 | emss | in grub press e and try with vga=ask |
| 04:24.58 | mojzesz | When i was used puppy linux in live cd mode were the same display only small place in middle |
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| 04:25.52 | mojzesz | Maybe graphic card is damaged and didn't work under linux |
| 04:25.59 | emss | mojzesz https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/boot.txt |
| 04:26.06 | emss | search for vga= |
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| 04:26.53 | mojzesz | Thanks i have this link and i'm going to check this when i back to home |
| 04:27.41 | mojzesz | If everything fails i will blow up this junk |
| 04:30.16 | mojzesz | I must use linux because win xp have error with ntfs file system even i can't format clean disc while installing win ext3 working excellent |
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| 04:31.48 | mojzesz | Before i had win because my wife don't knows linux good but now she must learn how to use it |
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| 04:34.01 | mojzesz | Is good choice to install debian squezee with lxde? |
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| 04:34.04 | jenia_ | hello |
| 04:34.16 | jenia_ | i need to sintall libmagickcore3 |
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| 04:34.23 | jenia_ | here is the package |
| 04:34.24 | jenia_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libmagickcore3 |
| 04:34.27 | mojzesz | Hi jenia |
| 04:34.51 | jenia_ | but when i try to install it, debian tells me: |
| 04:35.05 | jenia_ | Package libmagickcore3 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:35.09 | mojzesz | It's repository i see |
| 04:35.18 | jenia_ | isnt it the regular debian repo? |
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| 04:36.11 | mojzesz | Have u try backports? |
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| 04:37.28 | mojzesz | I have a long period in using debian so i don't remember all sources for this dist |
| 04:37.37 | emss | mojzesz search http://wiki.debian.org/ for vga= |
| 04:38.21 | emss | jenia_ what version of debian? |
| 04:38.40 | mojzesz | emss thank you for help i will do what u say when i back |
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| 04:40.19 | jenia_ | the newest one |
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| 04:40.27 | jenia_ | one second let me check |
| 04:40.48 | emss | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:41.20 | jenia_ | 7.2 |
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| 04:41.43 | nell | http://pastebin.com/sRMYKygg I want to install minitube so bad but this happens! |
| 04:42.55 | emss | jenia_ have you updated your sources? `aptitude update' |
| 04:43.07 | emss | maybe there was a bug/security fix |
| 04:43.28 | jenia_ | my sources file is probably not very good |
| 04:43.34 | jenia_ | but i fixed the problem this way: |
| 04:44.02 | jenia_ | i added these two lines: |
| 04:44.03 | jenia_ | deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main |
| 04:44.03 | jenia_ | deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main |
| 04:44.13 | jenia_ | and I just installed that librrary from there |
| 04:44.42 | jenia_ | now, i installed emacs24 |
| 04:44.47 | jenia_ | which was my goal from the begining |
| 04:44.56 | emss | :) |
| 04:45.05 | jenia_ | thanks a slot anyways |
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| 05:11.54 | blz37 | I have the following security sources in sources.list, but it's getting failed to fetch errors. |
| 05:11.56 | blz37 | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:11.58 | blz37 | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 05:12.15 | blz37 | couldn't find anything wrong with them. |
| 05:12.21 | blz37 | Your help is appreciated. |
| 05:12.29 | gnarface | blz37: only stable gets security updates |
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| 05:13.12 | blz37 | ok. |
| 05:13.28 | blz37 | thnx. |
| 05:13.32 | gnarface | no problem. |
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| 05:14.45 | blz37 | how about: |
| 05:14.47 | blz37 | W: GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org unstable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 05:14.49 | blz37 | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable-proposed-updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 05:16.12 | gnarface | dpkg, tell blz37 about dmm |
| 05:16.28 | gnarface | blz37: short version: NOT MADE HERE |
| 05:16.58 | blz37 | gnarface: ok. got it. |
| 05:17.26 | gnarface | blz37: i'm sure you can get it working, but you'll have to get support from them for that |
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| 05:24.33 | themill | blz37: unstable-proposed-updates makes no sense either. Think about it... |
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| 07:11.12 | babilen | blz37: There also isn't any unstable-proposed-updates (think about it! it doesn't really make sense) so you should remove that. |
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| 07:38.16 | rendar | hi, i have this line in inittab: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 -I "\033[?17;0;45c" -- this runs getty and insert a custom cursor with a custom color. now the problem is that with old linux kernel 2.6.32 it works, with the new 3.0.4 it doesn't, any clue? |
| 07:38.49 | klys | dpkg -l sysvinit |
| 07:38.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching sysvinit |
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| 07:39.34 | klys | dpkg -S /sbin/init |
| 07:39.34 | dpkg | You Fool! /sbin/init is installed! |
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| 07:41.24 | klys | ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit_*.deb |
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| 07:42.33 | jelly-home | klys: wrong window mate |
| 07:42.54 | klys | jelly-home fancy seeing you here |
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| 07:44.36 | klys | also: dpkg -S /sbin/getty; ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/<package>_.deb; # I think this behavior would be due to a recent update |
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| 07:46.17 | klys | also could be due to terminfo changes, or set | grep TERM |
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| 07:46.39 | klys | ...which should be `linux' or `ansi' or similar |
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| 07:47.02 | rendar | klys, i see |
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| 07:50.24 | SlickRIck | bit.ly/1abgczC |
| 07:50.29 | rendar | klys, btw set|grep TERM shows only COLORTERM=gnome-terminal and TERM=xterm |
| 07:50.30 | rendar | nothing more |
| 07:50.50 | klys | then I think it's ypur xterm |
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| 07:51.17 | rendar | klys, but TERM=xterm means that when the system boots and i'm in text mode, xterm starts? |
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| 07:51.42 | klys | ok, find out what set that to xterm |
| 07:52.05 | rendar | klys, ok in text mode its TERM=linux -- sorry |
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| 07:53.58 | klys | I guess what I'm finding is that any number of specious debian updates may have changed that for you, unless you're sure you only updated the kernel. |
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| 07:54.24 | rendar | klys, i did a dist-upgrsde |
| 07:54.45 | klys | try this: ls --color |
| 07:55.33 | klys | mebbe start screen first... |
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| 07:57.14 | rendar | klys, it works |
| 07:57.21 | klys | cool |
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| 07:58.25 | klys | well, your terminal is capable of color. just is it set up to handle escape sequences when getty runs |
| 07:58.28 | rendar | klys, i mean ls --color have always worked, but the cursor don't |
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| 07:58.42 | rendar | klys, yeah right |
| 07:58.53 | rendar | klys, it seems getty ignores those sequences |
| 07:59.39 | klys | I think, try the older getty? util-linux |
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| 08:00.20 | shellox | hi |
| 08:00.41 | rendar | klys, util-linux? what is? |
| 08:01.12 | klys | if you get depends try dpkg -x getty_version.deb to_here/; cp -a to_here/sbin/getty /sbin |
| 08:01.18 | rendar | ok |
| 08:01.24 | klys | it contains getty |
| 08:01.47 | klys | so...util-linux_version.deb |
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| 08:08.01 | handuel | I need help setting up my crontab file. I want to run one command every minute from 8 in the morning to 8 at night, and a different one from 8 at night to 8 in the morning for morning to night I have this: * 8-20 * * * root command, and for night to morning I have this: * 20-8 * * * root command the night to morning one doesn't run, but morning to night does, is the syntax in the night to morning one |
| 08:08.02 | handuel | correct? |
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| 08:13.14 | av0idz | handuel : im not sure if the syntax 8-20 is correct check the man page of cron, but what i can tell is you if you want to run the command every minute you have to edit the first * and change it to */1 |
| 08:13.16 | zetheroo | what is the current version of PHP in Debian Wheezy? |
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| 08:15.02 | jelly-home | zetheroo: you can ask the bot, /msg judd v php5 |
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| 08:15.39 | zetheroo | jelly-home: ok thank you |
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| 08:17.06 | handuel | av0idz the 8-20 line works fine * just means every minute, the problem is with the 20-8 line |
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| 08:18.24 | klys | zethero0: 5.2.0-8 and php5 5.4.14+deb7u5 |
| 08:18.26 | jelly-home | handuel: it's no correct. You'd have to do something like * 0-7,20-23 * * * |
| 08:19.30 | handuel | jelly-home: why is working then? |
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| 08:19.54 | jelly-home | handuel: you just said the 20-8 was _not_ working |
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| 08:20.31 | handuel | jeely-home: oh sorry, I thought you were reffering to what av0idz said, when he said my 8-20 line was incorrect, and * in minute wouldn't run it every minute |
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| 08:20.43 | handuel | I misread your line |
| 08:20.49 | jelly-home | handuel: he said he was not sure. |
| 08:20.51 | handuel | Thanks for the help, that is now working |
| 08:20.58 | av0idz | sorry for that handuel |
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| 08:21.08 | jelly-home | handuel: and his interpretation was wrong in two places. |
| 08:21.14 | handuel | av0idz: It's fine, sorry for being dumb about it :P |
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| 08:21.47 | jelly-home | handuel: note that you will have overlapping with both jobs running from 20:00 to 20:59. |
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| 08:23.22 | jelly-home | handuel: if you want to run the day job from 8:00 to 19:59 included, make it * 8-19 * * * instead, then let the night one run * 0-7,20-23 * * * |
| 08:23.27 | handuel | jelly-home: I'd just come to that conclusion, and am fixing it now |
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| 08:24.46 | handuel | av0idz: jelly-home: thanks for helping me |
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| 08:29.47 | pfote | any experiences with "irqbalance"? read about it in regards to using SSDs in heavily loaded (SMP) systems that might saturate cpu[0] with IRQs .. have here such a scenario with a 16 core machine, IRQs peaked yesterday at ~40k/s |
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| 08:33.51 | klys | pfote: your cpu[0] is going to be much faster than 40 kHz, and that times the number of instruction-cycles it takes to get to an sti is going to be negligable esp. if you have the .config option for PREEMPT |
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| 08:35.40 | pfote | klys: so you think 40k/s is not a issue at all? |
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| 08:36.05 | klys | check /proc/cpuinfo, it is unlikely |
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| 08:37.11 | pfote | cpu is a decent one i think, a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 0 @ 2.70GHz |
| 08:37.52 | klys | then divide. 2680 * 1024 / 40 |
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| 08:40.05 | pfote | if thats correct it probably never is a issue |
| 08:40.17 | pfote | (i have no clue, though) |
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| 08:55.35 | zetheroo | I just performed a clean install of Debian Wheezy with all the latest updates ... but when I try to install php5 from the default repos I am met with unmet dependency issues ... is this normal!? |
| 08:56.45 | klys | after a major upgrade ypu'll have to run `apt-get -f install' before it works |
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| 08:58.00 | zetheroo | klys: me? |
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| 08:58.26 | klys | I think so. you need to run just that (no parameters). |
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| 08:59.13 | zetheroo | but I did not do ant upgrade ... just installed wheezy ... it must have updated during install |
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| 09:00.29 | klys | if apt-get install package; had errors and returned 1 from a .postinst script, you will have the above problem with stated solution. |
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| 09:01.32 | klys | for this reason, make sure bash is new so scripts can say `set -e'. |
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| 09:02.26 | zetheroo | I did "apt-get -f install php5" and still get the same issue |
| 09:02.58 | klys | it's: `apt-get -f install'; `apt-get install php5'. |
| 09:03.08 | zetheroo | ok |
| 09:03.57 | zetheroo | still no diff |
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| 09:04.17 | klys | what errors from apt-get -f install ? |
| 09:04.32 | klys | I mean the first error |
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| 09:05.01 | zetheroo | no error from "apt-get -f install" |
| 09:05.23 | zetheroo | "apt-get install php5" still give output as previously mentioned |
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| 09:05.58 | klys | php5 must have some pre-depends. make sure those are unpacked and do dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:06.48 | zetheroo | http://tinypic.com/r/wvod8y/5 |
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| 09:14.24 | zetheroo | why does it say the dependencies are not going to be installed? |
| 09:14.34 | the__Dreamer | zetheroo, I am using debian testing and no dep. issues |
| 09:15.13 | the__Dreamer | it could mean that some of the dep.s are not in stable yet |
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| 09:15.37 | zetheroo | so Wheezy is not stable? ... |
| 09:15.51 | the__Dreamer | wheezy is stable, but some of the things you need may not be |
| 09:16.01 | zetheroo | I mean shouldn't this just work? ... I am using a lean install with default source list ... |
| 09:16.20 | the__Dreamer | did you add contrib and nonfree? |
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| 09:16.33 | the__Dreamer | it may be that some things are in those |
| 09:16.40 | zetheroo | but I mean this is PHP we're talking about here :P |
| 09:16.51 | zetheroo | no I did not add or remove anything |
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| 09:18.30 | klys_ | what I did was grab this jpeg with lynx-cur, then apt-get install zgv; then zgv <image>; it screwed up the fb; so I switch to X, it looks like low-res text; so I switch back to tty, and |
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| 09:18.48 | the__Dreamer | I recently ran into of alot of dep not met on things that did install just a couple of weeks ago |
| 09:19.00 | the__Dreamer | so it could mean that stable removed some things too |
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| 09:20.09 | klys_ | then I can see a wierd version of what was on the tty, and so I type "apt-get install svgalib-bin" then # mode3; then all ttys and Xorg went blank; then I restarted with ctrl-alt-delete; and now here I am with kernel 3.10 |
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| 09:20.46 | zetheroo | I think I'll revert to Ubuntu Server then ... this is too disconcerting ... :P |
| 09:21.21 | klys_ | it's just my laptop |
| 09:23.55 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning :) ! |
| 09:24.10 | the__Dreamer | zetheroo, you might consider upgrading to testing which is pretty stable |
| 09:24.27 | the__Dreamer | then adding nonfree and contrib repos |
| 09:25.06 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.26 | the__Dreamer | ubuntu is basically debian testing, no? |
| 09:25.32 | zetheroo | we chose to only use stable releases ... |
| 09:26.24 | zetheroo | well we use the Ubuntu Server LTS releases ... |
| 09:26.31 | zetheroo | they are pretty solid |
| 09:26.35 | the__Dreamer | yes |
| 09:26.36 | klys | slink: svgalib: Chipset FBDEV; zgv (routine init of svgalib lib): SegFault. |
| 09:26.51 | the__Dreamer | because lts is like a year old now |
| 09:26.54 | zetheroo | All our KVM servers use this as well |
| 09:27.13 | zetheroo | year old but updated still |
| 09:27.17 | the__Dreamer | sure |
| 09:27.18 | klys | er, squeeze, not slink |
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| 09:28.54 | klys | I think some folks recently have been confusing svgalib with svgalib.ko (see: #sdl) |
| 09:30.32 | klys | I have no output from "lsmod | grep fb" and this is a debian kernel. |
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| 09:31.54 | klys | last time I booted 3.10, the screen went blank and it wouldn't ctrl+alt+delete. |
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| 09:32.49 | Patrycjusz | hi all, newbee question. What is a "room number" when adding user ? |
| 09:33.09 | klys | identifying information. |
| 09:33.43 | shellox | anyone uses puppet with debian? |
| 09:34.04 | Patrycjusz | klync: more specific ? |
| 09:34.34 | shellox | when i install php5-fpm by hand with aptitude install it just install php5-fpm and some php packages |
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| 09:34.40 | klys | it is just that specific. think of the origins of unix. the professor's room number |
| 09:34.45 | shellox | but if i run it with puppet it also installs apache :/ |
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| 09:36.36 | Patrycjusz | klync it doesn't matter what i put there ? |
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| 09:36.48 | Patrycjusz | umber anythink ? |
| 09:37.14 | klys | whatever ypu put there goes into /etc/passwd so other users can contact/identify your new user. |
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| 09:38.35 | Patrycjusz | klync this was much better i understand now, thas |
| 09:38.43 | Patrycjusz | thank you good man |
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| 09:38.49 | klys | sure |
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| 09:46.48 | klys | was Intel GM965/GL960 ever supported with a framebuffer |
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| 09:47.12 | klys | !intelfb |
| 09:47.27 | klys | !i960 |
| 09:47.31 | klys | !i965 |
| 09:48.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell klys about msg the bot |
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| 09:50.24 | klys | ok jelly |
| 09:50.43 | klys | so what's on topic these days |
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| 09:50.54 | Silicium | hi there |
| 09:51.05 | klys | hil |
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| 09:53.59 | Silicium | i have a awesome huge problem and i really hope someone haves a solution, i have a mdraid 1, multiple partitions which are mirrored, after a broken disk two of the gpartitions can't get rebuilded again, because of bad blocks on the remaining "working" disk, however i would use badblocks to mark those blocks as bad and start resync again but i'am very afraid and i really dont want loose my data, its a 1TB LVM volume with tons of VM's and i have no cha |
| 09:55.07 | klys | man dd |
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| 09:55.14 | jelly | i have no ch...? |
| 09:55.25 | Silicium | klys: read my text again. thx |
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| 09:55.45 | jelly | Silicium: it got cut |
| 09:55.53 | Silicium | uh |
| 09:56.12 | Silicium | from which position? |
| 09:56.20 | jelly | <jelly> i have no ch...? |
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| 09:56.51 | Silicium | and i have no chance to backup the partition with dd-rescue to somewhere or create a lvm snapshot to another device. |
| 09:57.00 | Silicium | :3 |
| 09:57.13 | jelly | why do you have no chance? |
| 09:57.24 | Silicium | somewhere i read, that i can just create the mirror again with dd |
| 09:57.37 | Silicium | for an examle: |
| 09:57.46 | Silicium | md0= /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:57.59 | Silicium | dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 09:58.00 | jelly | boot a livecd/liveusb, plug an empty disk and use ddrescue |
| 09:58.04 | klys | does your broken disk still spin-up when powered? you may be able to dd from the mirrored location of the badblocks on your other drive |
| 09:58.11 | Silicium | but i dont think that works, because of the raid headers |
| 09:58.28 | Silicium | klys: second disk is fully death |
| 09:58.45 | jelly | Silicium: copy the whole disk, completely ignoring the md arrays. Don't even bring them up. |
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| 09:59.16 | Silicium | jelly: can i also copy just the partition? |
| 09:59.21 | klys | silicum: I want to warn you cron may do an updatedb tonight. |
| 09:59.38 | jelly | Silicium: sure, but you have to replace the disk with bad sectors anyway |
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| 09:59.43 | Silicium | http://pastebin.com/UXvf372R <-- my raid |
| 09:59.58 | Silicium | jelly: i know |
| 10:00.16 | jelly | so you might as well clone the whole thing |
| 10:00.39 | Silicium | jelly: yes but this will take to much time |
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| 10:00.44 | Silicium | and its a "hetzner" root server |
| 10:01.27 | Silicium | so, if i mirror the gpd partitions itself like /dev/sdb3 and /dev/sdb4 this would work as well? |
| 10:01.39 | Silicium | because i collegue said, it wont work because of the headers |
| 10:02.08 | Silicium | what if i use "badblocks" to mark blocks as bad? |
| 10:02.13 | jelly | Silicium: it ought to, but the simplest thing to do is to cloen the whole disk |
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| 10:02.39 | jelly | badblocks are irrelevant if you're dealing with the issue on a block device level |
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| 10:03.09 | brontosaurusrex | how would i run an gtk app from chroot enviroment? |
| 10:03.10 | Silicium | i have no physical access, when i break the disk, all my data are lost |
| 10:03.23 | Silicium | but i will try |
| 10:03.30 | jelly | Silicium: this is _precisely_ why you should make a backup on a new disk |
| 10:03.35 | Silicium | jelly: what about blocksize for dd? |
| 10:03.52 | jelly | Silicium: ddrescue (not dd!) has sane defaults |
| 10:03.57 | Silicium | ok cool |
| 10:04.13 | Silicium | how can i stop the whole mdraid? |
| 10:04.16 | klys | brontosaurusrex: tightvncserver. also make sure to mount /proc /sys and /dev from chroot. |
| 10:05.03 | klys | brontosaurusrex: also make sure tightvncpasswd doesn't overwrite /dev/tty |
| 10:05.07 | brontosaurusrex | klys, uhmm, chroot is on the same system |
| 10:05.20 | Silicium | jelly: iam not able to stop the raid which are currently on rebuild |
| 10:05.25 | jelly | Silicium: mdadm --stop will be hard to use if you're using one of those as your current / partition. boot a rescue image, and make sure they're stopped. |
| 10:05.47 | jelly | Silicium: use the #linux-raid channel for mdadm help |
| 10:05.48 | klys | brontosaurusrex: yes, I meant that, use xvncserver 127.0.0.1:1 |
| 10:05.49 | Silicium | i'am on a rescue image already |
| 10:05.51 | osfd | Hi there, how do you get the partition format on a hard drive ? |
| 10:05.54 | Silicium | jelly: thx! |
| 10:05.59 | osfd | with command line |
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| 10:06.15 | Silicium | osfd: fdisk -l or cfdisk |
| 10:06.22 | brontosaurusrex | klys, from host? |
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| 10:06.25 | klys | s/server/viewer |
| 10:06.53 | osfd | Silicium: thank you |
| 10:07.41 | klys | brontosaurusrex: make sure you bring up localhost also `ifup lo' (see /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 10:09.18 | Silicium | jelly: btw lvm blocked the device ;) |
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| 10:10.32 | jelly | Silicium: I have no idea what that means given the context |
| 10:11.18 | jelly | oh, was it a PV? So stop the volume group |
| 10:11.49 | jelly | a proper rescue image shouldn't bring up mdadm or lvm automatically |
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| 10:12.02 | Maluko | guys im trying to build a custom build of a debian, i found that by changing things on isolinux folder i can change the looks on the selection boot, but i cant seem to find where ca i manipulate the installation menus in order to create new ones or changing the template. can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 10:12.54 | klys | `whiptail'? |
| 10:13.11 | jelly | Maluko: there's a channel #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net for debian-installer |
| 10:13.32 | Maluko | jelly: okey thx |
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| 10:34.20 | klys | CONFIG_EXPERT is not set; looks like I'm compiling the kernel. |
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| 10:36.19 | jumperswitch | What do you think is better (faster / more robust) - apt-cacher-ng or a squid3? |
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| 10:38.36 | Lady_Aleena | is away: I'm not at my keyboard. |
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| 10:39.57 | themill | jumperswitch: having a tool that understands the structure of the debian archive and what content to hold onto and what content to expire is quite handy |
| 10:39.58 | klys | those were the days, when everybody in here understood squid. |
| 10:40.10 | themill | Lady_Aleena: we don't care -- please disable that |
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| 10:43.40 | brontosaurusrex | uhmm, so is there a way to just copy/paste my current system with debootstrap? (only changing release from stable to sid) |
| 10:44.41 | jumperswitch | themill: so apt-cacher-ng got more introspection than squid, right? |
| 10:45.05 | jumperswitch | themill: It is able to inspect the packages themselves and understanding its context while squid can't, right? |
| 10:45.13 | jumperswitch | themill: I use the squid-deb-conf configuration. |
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| 10:45.59 | themill | jumperswitch: it knows that Packages change often and that .deb files never change. acng will look at all the Packages files you have and know which .deb files it can remove from disk etc. Some of that squid can be taught. |
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| 10:46.39 | klys | eth0 keeps going down/up. seems to hit at timed intervals. no dhcp, it's statically configured. |
| 10:47.54 | jumperswitch | themill: but not everything can be taught to squid, right? For adding the functionality of apt-cacher-ng to squid squid needs to be patched? |
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| 10:53.46 | klys | brontosaurus-rex: dpkg --get-selections; dpkg --set-selections -- or do you mean something else |
| 10:54.15 | brontosaurusrex | klys, yeah, i have to re-think all this as i see now :) |
| 10:55.19 | klys | I have sid in a chroot, you might try that |
| 10:55.50 | brontosaurusrex | klys, I will take this to also test gnome-shell, so hopefully that will get me some antialiased fonts by default |
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| 10:56.25 | brontosaurusrex | basically i'am trying to run a single app that requires never libc |
| 10:57.12 | brontosaurusrex | as for X, the "Xnest -ac :1" is good enough for now |
| 10:57.40 | klys | when I had to run unstable/gparted, I set up this chroot. now it has wine-git in /usr/local too. |
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| 11:04.50 | milligan_ | Pardon me if I am wrong, but if the first rule in iptables chain INPUT is , ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere , doesn't that render any rule after useless? |
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| 11:05.31 | jelly | milligan_: that's correct |
| 11:06.09 | klys | milligan_: typical iptables configs tend to set -P forward DENY |
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| 11:13.24 | feisar__ | Hi, can anyone explain why logging on with cached credentials works from the commandline but not graphically? |
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| 11:15.49 | klys | gdm is not the same as /bin/login ...? |
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| 11:16.37 | feisar__ | ah ok, when I login using gdm I get a message saying 'using cached credentials' but then the screen just goes back |
| 11:16.49 | feisar__ | the desktop doesn't show |
| 11:17.02 | feisar__ | do i need to make config changes to GDM? |
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| 11:25.21 | narcarsiss | I installed Aptana Studio 3 in Debian and Created a icon to show up under programming tab but when i run it from the icon i get failed to execute child process "directory" (permission denied) Any ideas how i can solve this. |
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| 11:26.30 | klys | logout / log back in then try it ...? |
| 11:27.04 | narcarsiss | I shall try that. brb |
| 11:27.09 | narcarsiss | if not it worked :) |
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| 11:31.14 | lattera | where would I find the src to the hostid utility? |
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| 11:32.32 | lattera | nvm, found it |
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| 11:32.53 | klys | lattera: dpkg -S `which hostid`; apt-cache show <package>; lynx http://debian-mirror/debian/pool/main/l/<source dir> |
| 11:32.56 | klys | k |
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| 11:38.36 | pala2 | I've enable mouse clicks with touchpad, but these clicks have some delay compared to usual mouse clicks. Is there any way to reduce this delay? |
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| 11:39.38 | klys | try it with gpm on a tty |
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| 11:47.37 | pala2 | klys: installed it, how to analyse my left mouse click on touchpad/ mouse ? |
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| 11:55.12 | icesword | hello |
| 11:55.45 | icesword | recommend me a nice text browser |
| 11:56.10 | crackerjackz | links |
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| 11:56.30 | icesword | how big is the package |
| 11:56.35 | icesword | !info links |
| 11:56.48 | dpkg | links: (Web browser running in text mode), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
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| 11:57.19 | ant_t | lynx is another good one 248 k |
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| 11:57.29 | Glorf | hi |
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| 11:58.16 | Glorf | i'm having trouble with my ethernet card (or it seems so) on my old laptop |
| 11:58.39 | Glorf | i use it as a server (so running almost 24/7) |
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| 11:58.51 | icesword | ant_t, what 's the command to install that |
| 11:58.58 | Glorf | and yesterday i had some electrical issues, so forced reboot |
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| 11:59.27 | Glorf | since, he seems to be good (i can only control it by ssh cause there is no more CG in it) except for the ethernet |
| 11:59.30 | ant_t | either sudo aptitude install lynx or sudo apt-get install lynx |
| 11:59.37 | Glorf | i took the HD out of it and check the log |
| 11:59.39 | Bird|lappy | does uupdate handle cases where a package's dependencies change? (I'm wondering if I can use it to gin up a local set of .debs for Leiningen 2.x) |
| 11:59.50 | Glorf | !paste |
| 11:59.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:00.20 | Glorf | http://paste.debian.net/62740/ here are the only log i find about eth :( |
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| 12:00.37 | Glorf | (i tried to plug/unplug the cable nut nothing happened in the log, though the cable is working good) |
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| 12:01.03 | Glorf | any idea ? |
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| 12:05.49 | ant_t | so what's the problem Glorf? Are you using /etc/network/interfaces to set up your card or something to do it automatically? |
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| 12:06.21 | Glorf | it's a squeeze, it uses /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:06.42 | Glorf | and i had no problem before yesterday (i didn't updated the system for a while so it's not that i think) |
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| 12:06.54 | Glorf | now i just can't reach it via network |
| 12:07.04 | ant_t | have you tried changing the start line to eth1? |
| 12:07.15 | Glorf | yep it is already |
| 12:07.26 | Glorf | i had the eth1 thing since a while |
| 12:07.34 | jumperswitch | When only using the debian repository over proxy, does a local repository make sense then? |
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| 12:08.10 | ant_t | and did it usually register an event before when you pluged in the cable before? |
| 12:08.36 | Glorf | the event i linked are the only one related to eth |
| 12:08.39 | Glorf | i plugged the cable after |
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| 12:09.24 | ant_t | not sure then, sorry |
| 12:09.39 | Glorf | (i booted without the cable, plugged it ~5mn after, and unplugged it/plugged it a couple of time to be sure to have an event logged) |
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| 12:10.01 | Glorf | i cherched for "eth" into my kern.log but perhaps i can search other log/other keyword |
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| 12:10.57 | jumperswitch | When only using the debian repository over proxy, does a local repository make sense then? |
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| 12:12.03 | Glorf | *searched not cherched |
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| 12:13.30 | mumpitze1 | jumperswitch: a local repo only makes sense if you have many debian machines and your internet is very slow or expensive |
| 12:13.44 | mumpitze1 | a proxy doesn't matter by itself |
| 12:14.41 | mumpitze1 | Glorf: ifconfig -a and cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:14.59 | Glorf | http://paste.debian.net/62744/ for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:15.21 | Glorf | for ifconfig -a i have a little problem :P my CG is dead so i can access the computer only by ssh (or something like that) |
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| 12:15.40 | jumperswitch | mumpitze1: can there also be supplemental local repos? For custom packages in addition to official debian repository? |
| 12:15.45 | Glorf | i do have access to the HD though |
| 12:16.00 | ExeciN | I have a USB DVB-T tuner. Can I use VLC to view the channels? How do I find the /dev path that refers to my device? |
| 12:16.03 | mumpitze1 | jumperswitch: sure, if you want to. you can have as many repos as you like in your sources.list |
| 12:16.25 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: /dev/videoX where X is 0 to infinity |
| 12:16.29 | Sevet | mumpitze1: or if your internet is unreliable/unavailable |
| 12:17.20 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: I'm not sure if vlc can swtich channels and such. maybe look at tvtime? |
| 12:17.31 | Sevet | jumperswitch: yes, you can run your own repo for inhouse packages if you want. several foss projects do so. bear in mind they're entirely unsupported by #debian though and you must trust them completely |
| 12:18.06 | lattera | does debian (or linux in general) have some sort of uuid that's specific to the host? |
| 12:18.18 | mumpitze1 | Glorf: so you can't access the system in any way until you have a network connection? |
| 12:18.27 | mumpitze1 | lattera: no |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | jumperswitch: proxy should cache the packages |
| 12:18.56 | Glorf | mumpitze1, yes :( |
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| 12:19.21 | mumpitze1 | Glorf: how did you get the dmesg output and the interfaces content then? |
| 12:20.23 | Glorf | i took the HD when the laptop was off |
| 12:20.27 | Glorf | and plugged into my computer |
| 12:20.44 | jumperswitch | mumpitze1 / Sevet / abrotman: thanks |
| 12:20.54 | jumperswitch | abrotman: What a joy to see you online here btw :) |
| 12:21.04 | Kuba | hey |
| 12:21.13 | mumpitze1 | Glorf: use a livecd? make your debian run some commands like dhclient eth1 and save the output to a file, etc |
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| 12:21.25 | Sevet | lattera: you mean to identify the entire system? |
| 12:21.27 | Kuba | so lsusb shows my pendrive but it doesn't actually appear in /dev/*; any hints? |
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| 12:22.28 | lattera | Sevet: yeah, some sort of identifier that's unique to the system |
| 12:22.30 | Glorf | mumpitze1 : i don't understand that |
| 12:22.35 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: what does dmesg tell you when you plug it in? |
| 12:22.48 | lattera | freebsd, for example, provides a sysctl "kern.hostuuid", windows provides the same kind of thing |
| 12:22.48 | Glorf | the CG is out, there is simply no display (with or without an external scree) |
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| 12:23.04 | Sevet | lattera: not as such afaik, but there are unique identifiers you can collect from the system. eg mac addresses of network cards, model+serial number of motherboard/ram/hdd etc. you could collect several and hash them to form a single uuid. |
| 12:23.05 | Kuba | mumpitze1: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci_hcd etc. |
| 12:23.24 | mumpitze1 | !tell Kuba about details |
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| 12:23.51 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: if you haven't noticed: "etc" is useless bullshit |
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| 12:24.04 | Kuba | mumpitze1: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SDYHnbQV |
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| 12:24.19 | lattera | Sevet: yeah, I was thinking: 1) mac addr of the interface that hold the ipv4 default route; 2) mac addr of the interface that holds the ipv6 default route if #1 fails |
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| 12:24.36 | Kuba | mumpitze1: etc. meant basic device info from usb 4-1.2 |
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| 12:25.18 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: uname -a ? |
| 12:25.29 | Kuba | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:25.31 | _heiko | gdm3 autologin is broken. nothing happens, x session doesnt start. what can i do, am I missing sth? Here's what I did: uncommented user autologin stuff in /etc/gdm3/daemons.conf (Debian SID) |
| 12:25.46 | Sevet | lattera: there's /usr/bin/hostid in coreutils, but it's quite a short id |
| 12:26.06 | Kuba | mumpitze1: also, this happens randomly: I had the pendive working; then unplugged it; plugged back in and.. BAM cannot be seen in /dev/ anymore |
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| 12:26.09 | lattera | Sevet: ya, and that value is hardcoded, it seems |
| 12:26.10 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: and the above pastebin thing is all you get from your kernel? it should look something like this http://paste.debian.net/62751/ |
| 12:26.15 | Kuba | mumpitze1: all |
| 12:26.16 | lattera | 007f0101 |
| 12:27.09 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: check for usbcore, usb_storage usb_common modules |
| 12:27.26 | Sevet | lattera: also kernel.random.boot_id but from the name i suspect that changes every boot |
| 12:27.39 | mumpitze1 | lattera: sshd key is a good source for a UUID |
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| 12:28.12 | lattera | good ideas, I'll check into them |
| 12:28.15 | mumpitze1 | but it depends what you want the id to reflect: machine, debian installation, etc |
| 12:28.26 | surfhai1 | hi, I want to connect a bluetooth keyboard/mouse to my computer. The tool for command line that I've found was hidd but it is only in bluez-compat which is no longer supported. How should I connect my bluetooth keyboard properly? |
| 12:28.27 | Sevet | mumpitze1: that depends if it's something you want to never change between reinstalls |
| 12:28.44 | mumpitze1 | a debian id would change |
| 12:28.46 | Kuba | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/0ad1d6c3 |
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| 12:29.10 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: load usb_storage and plug it in maybe? |
| 12:29.11 | Sevet | mumpitze1: or fakeable - eg you can copy a sshd but not reuse mac addresses (within a network) or change a motherboard's serial |
| 12:29.25 | Kuba | mumpitze1: works |
| 12:29.45 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: it should load usb_storage automatically when you plug it in. I have no clue why it doesn't |
| 12:29.46 | watschu | hey there |
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| 12:30.02 | Sevet | lattera: check dmidecode which can get a whole host of information about the physical hardware |
| 12:30.04 | watschu | i have a strange problem and i dont know how to fix it |
| 12:30.15 | watschu | i am running a debian wheezy server |
| 12:30.22 | mumpitze1 | !tell watschu about enter |
| 12:30.32 | mumpitze1 | thankfully this problem is easy to fix |
| 12:31.04 | lattera | Sevet: now that is a great idea |
| 12:31.26 | lattera | I didn't even think of dmidecode... I've been working too much in freebsd-landia ;) |
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| 12:31.41 | watschu | and installed owncloud on it. i accidentally deleted the /var/www/owncloud folder. I removed ownclud completely with apt-get remove --purge owncloud |
| 12:31.46 | Kuba | mumpitze1: have the same problem with logitech perfomance mx mouse: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/9001a71c |
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| 12:32.14 | watschu | then i reinstalled it and when i try to access it, i just see the content of the index.php file |
| 12:32.15 | Kuba | mumpitze1: same symptoms |
| 12:32.23 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: your kernel is broken? rebooted lately? |
| 12:32.26 | watschu | but no web interface |
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| 12:33.06 | Kuba | mumpitze1: recently added intel_pstate=disable to kernel parameters |
| 12:34.40 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: why? should only be useful for 3.9 onwards, not your 3.2 |
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| 12:35.00 | Kuba | mumpitze1: had problems with cpu frequency scaling after suspend |
| 12:35.03 | outch3 | hey fellows |
| 12:35.08 | outch3 | oops |
| 12:35.11 | Kuba | mumpitze1: soneone here advised it |
| 12:35.15 | outch3 | wrong channel |
| 12:35.36 | Kuba | mumpitze1: and indeed I got control over cpu frequency after disabling intel_pstate |
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| 12:35.59 | Kuba | mumpitze1: well, I'll try the system with intel_pstate enabled |
| 12:36.04 | Kuba | brb |
| 12:36.30 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: not enabled. just remove the parameter again |
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| 12:36.45 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: and if you have problems like this, maybe try a backports kernel too |
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| 12:37.02 | mumpitze1 | the cpu governor problems after suspend, not the USB ones :) |
| 12:37.11 | maroloccio | i am installing package ``visualvm'' on some dev boxes. pretty sure i could just ``apt-get install visualvm'' in the past. recently upgraded base install to 7.2. error message "Package visualvm is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 12:37.27 | maroloccio | question 1) best way to find out which package still refers to ``visualvm''? |
| 12:37.54 | Kuba | mumpitze1: I'm thinking about running sid actually |
| 12:38.12 | maroloccio | question 2) how would you solve this problem? (i.e. still provide devs with ``visualvm'' when some are on the prev version -which has it- and some are not -using the new base install-) |
| 12:38.26 | mumpitze1 | ,v visualvm |
| 12:38.27 | judd | Package: visualvm on i386 -- sid: 1.3.3-2 |
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| 12:38.45 | Kuba | mumpitze1: seems that it fixed my problems |
| 12:38.48 | mumpitze1 | maroloccio: you never could just apt-get it normally. not even in the past |
| 12:39.07 | Kuba | mumpitze1: unless there is some condition under which occur that i didn't emulate at the moment |
| 12:39.19 | maroloccio | mumpitze1: i thought i could.. i may be mistaken. how was i getting it installed via my scripts then? |
| 12:39.32 | mumpitze1 | !tell maroloccio about ssb |
| 12:39.59 | mumpitze1 | maroloccio: however, the dependencies are so lax, you can just download it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it |
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| 12:41.03 | maroloccio | mumpitze1: if i get that error ("Package visualvm is not available, but is referred to by another package.") how best to find out what refers to the package via the command line? |
| 12:42.38 | maroloccio | i am running pretty much `stable' only on these machines, apart from a kernel backport and another couple of packages.. the rest is all `stable' |
| 12:42.43 | mumpitze1 | dunno |
| 12:43.01 | maroloccio | mumpitze1: ok, thanks anyway for your help. |
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| 12:43.59 | maroloccio | judd: how did you get that line of output and what does it mean? |
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| 12:45.00 | stormy98 | hey wonder if any one can help, i've added vm.overcommit_memory to the sysctl.conf as root then run sudo sysctrl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 12:45.12 | stormy98 | and get error: pressmion denied on key 'vm.overcommit_memory' |
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| 12:45.52 | mumpitze1 | stormy98: are you in a VPS? |
| 12:45.55 | stormy98 | yes |
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| 12:46.19 | mumpitze1 | then you can't do anything with the kernel at all. you have no permissions for it. you don't really have root |
| 12:46.33 | stormy98 | :'( |
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| 12:46.38 | stormy98 | hmm |
| 12:46.43 | stormy98 | it's home built vm |
| 12:46.45 | stormy98 | i'm a sys admin |
| 12:46.48 | Sevet | stormy98: that depends on the type of vps |
| 12:47.01 | stormy98 | it's a vm running on some software called proxmox |
| 12:47.24 | mumpitze1 | stormy98: so you aren't running debian? |
| 12:47.42 | stormy98 | yup it's running debian on the vm.. :\ |
| 12:48.12 | _heiko | Debian SID: where can i get the missing firmware from? |
| 12:48.34 | _heiko | kernel 3.11 complains about missing firmware, but where can i find it? thx |
| 12:48.40 | mumpitze1 | _heiko: probably from non-free |
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| 12:48.53 | mumpitze1 | _heiko: depends on which firmware you are missing |
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| 12:49.00 | _heiko | radeon |
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| 12:49.18 | stormy98 | it's a debian machine running proxmox which has a debian vm on it |
| 12:49.19 | mumpitze1 | !tell _heiko about non-free |
| 12:49.39 | _heiko | i have non-free in my sources.list |
| 12:49.48 | stormy98 | and oom killer keeps killing pg_dump *postgres* but we can't see why it has enough hd space, backs u pt o nas, has enough cpu and ram to run it |
| 12:49.50 | _heiko | i upgraded to sid yesterday from jessy |
| 12:49.55 | _heiko | via dist upgrade |
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| 12:50.01 | Sevet | stormy98: proxmox is container based so you can't do that from the guest. try setting the parameter on the host. |
| 12:50.16 | mumpitze1 | _heiko: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:50.34 | stormy98 | ah Sevet you might have just saved my bacon and made it clear why it is killing the process |
| 12:50.45 | _heiko | add this to sources mumpitz? |
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| 12:50.56 | stormy98 | could it be more the fact the host is running out of ram / cpu then the acutal vm as it's being a container |
| 12:51.02 | _heiko | or is this a package? |
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| 12:51.27 | _heiko | I've been running debian for ages and never had to install firmware myself |
| 12:51.49 | Sevet | stormy98: perhaps, you should be able to check that |
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| 12:52.23 | Sevet | _heiko: it's a package, 'apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree' |
| 12:52.23 | stormy98 | hmm it's usign all of the swap, but has 4% cpu useage over 16 2.5cpu's and using 28gb of 47gb ram |
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| 12:53.08 | ExeciN | I am trying to watch some TV channels using my DVB-T USB adapter but TvTime only recognizes my webcam. What am I doing wrong? |
| 12:53.28 | Sevet | stormy98: -very- rarely used ram sometimes gets sent to the swap so that other stuff has access to the ram and there's more left for caching (controlled by the swappiness setting) |
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| 12:54.16 | stormy98 | Sevet: doesn't swap only get used if physcial ram has run out? |
| 12:54.24 | Sevet | stormy98: ram problem isn't the issue though from that, but there'll also be ram limits set on the proxmox containers to check |
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| 12:54.43 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: try to use /dev/video1 also make sure your dvb-t stick is recognized |
| 12:55.06 | Sevet | stormy98: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
| 12:55.08 | stormy98 | Sevet: ah ok, i'm new to promox used to ESXi hyper v etc |
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| 12:55.20 | Sevet | stormy98: if it's in swap it means nothing's asked for it for a Long time |
| 12:55.24 | ExeciN | mumpitze1: there is no /dev/video1 and lsusb seems to recognize my device |
| 12:55.34 | _heiko | Sevet: thx |
| 12:55.40 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: plug in the usb stick and then show us what's new in dmesg |
| 12:55.47 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: you should get many lines from it |
| 12:56.04 | Sevet | stormy98: container limits i think are what you need to check |
| 12:56.28 | stormy98 | it's just i wanted to prove something to someone hense turning the oom killer off |
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| 12:57.41 | stormy98 | but will have a look at the contrainer limits first! thanks Sevet |
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| 12:58.45 | ExeciN | mumpitze1: this is what was added when I run dmesg the second time when the device was plugged in http://pastebin.com/3yN5EatB |
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| 12:59.44 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: read line 9 and 10 more carefully. it's an error |
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| 13:01.13 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices should have the firmware you need |
| 13:01.21 | mumpitze1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.19 | ExeciN | how do I utilize that fw file? |
| 13:03.32 | mumpitze1 | you put it into /lib/firmware |
| 13:03.45 | _heiko | autologin still broken on gdm3, user is logged in but no x ... (gnome shell) |
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| 13:04.15 | mumpitze1 | _heiko: and it works fine without autologin? |
| 13:04.17 | _heiko | i can switch console login root and do startx to get an xsession but i dont get the autologin user to get an xsession |
| 13:04.22 | _heiko | yes |
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| 13:04.46 | mumpitze1 | _heiko: shows how you shouldn't run sid |
| 13:04.59 | _heiko | tried it 2 ways: /etc/gdm3/daemons.conf *and* by gnome-shell settings |
| 13:05.24 | _heiko | i dont run anything else |
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| 13:06.10 | _heiko | just need to know how to fix it :) |
| 13:06.34 | Kuba | I'm trying to use wheezy backports; but apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi show 0.36+wheezy.1 only where http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi shows 0.39~bpo70+1; Am I missing something? |
| 13:07.21 | themill | Kuba: missing non-free in the wheezy-backports entry in your sources.list? |
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| 13:07.38 | Kuba | themill: thx |
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| 13:15.50 | pestilence | I'm using terminator and screen in jessie. If I resize the terminal, things don't work properly. |
| 13:16.07 | pestilence | also, if I hit ctrl+- to zoom out |
| 13:16.31 | ExeciN | mumpitze1: thanks, it is now correctly initialized |
| 13:16.35 | pestilence | let me see if I can take a screenshot |
| 13:17.23 | nkuttler | pestilence: ctrl-a F? |
| 13:17.35 | nkuttler | and ctrl-a ? fwiw |
| 13:18.19 | pestilence | nkuttler: ctrl-a F doesn't seem to do anything |
| 13:18.37 | pestilence | let me upload my screenshots to imgur |
| 13:18.38 | nkuttler | pestilence: that should fit the session into the terminal |
| 13:19.24 | pestilence | http://imgur.com/a/Ifabt |
| 13:19.33 | pestilence | the first is before ctrl+-, the second is after |
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| 13:19.46 | pestilence | nkuttler: Yea, I think terminator must not be transmitting the size of the terminal correctly. |
| 13:20.15 | pestilence | it worked fine in wheezy |
| 13:20.26 | pestilence | can I selectively downgrade terminator back to wheezy |
| 13:21.52 | pestilence | this makes terminator unusable :-/ |
| 13:22.08 | Kuba | what does ESR in iceweasel esr stand for? |
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| 13:22.50 | mumpitze1 | Kuba: extended support release |
| 13:22.59 | Kuba | mumpitze1: and esr10? |
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| 13:24.21 | Kuba | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox#Extended_Support_Release got it |
| 13:24.29 | nkuttler | pestilence: probably not what you're looking for, but i occasionally use x-tile and pytyle |
| 13:24.55 | nkuttler | pestilence: but report a bug i guess |
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| 13:26.11 | pestilence | nkuttler: yea... not what I was looking for :) |
| 13:26.15 | pestilence | guess bug report it is. |
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| 13:32.50 | ansong | I am having an enormous amount of difficulty getting networking set up with 7.2. I don't use network-manager but setting a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces gets me RTNETLINK answers: file exists |
| 13:33.16 | WilliamDotSI | My crontab for root dissappeared after a reboot... |
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| 13:33.22 | WilliamDotSI | no trace is to be found of it anywhere |
| 13:33.27 | WilliamDotSI | -> reproduceable |
| 13:34.18 | WilliamDotSI | very annoying, really |
| 13:34.22 | WilliamDotSI | that should not happen |
| 13:34.47 | jelly | WilliamDotSI: which debian release? Do you mean the one created with "crontab -e" as root? |
| 13:35.10 | WilliamDotSI | Wheezy and yes |
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| 13:35.37 | jelly | did your crontab -e command succeed at all? |
| 13:35.52 | jelly | (was there an error message or a nonzero exit status?) |
| 13:36.15 | WilliamDotSI | yes it did |
| 13:36.20 | WilliamDotSI | it worked fine until that reboot |
| 13:36.25 | WilliamDotSI | i changed it nearly daily this weekend |
| 13:36.30 | WilliamDotSI | not a single issue or write failure |
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| 13:37.11 | jelly | WilliamDotSI: do you have bootlogd enabled? Perhaps an automatic fsck after an unclean shutdown wiped it for some reason. |
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| 13:37.28 | WilliamDotSI | i doubt that, it would not run fsck without root login |
| 13:37.30 | WilliamDotSI | and that system is remote |
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| 13:37.47 | WilliamDotSI | and its a raid1, SW, so data loss... i doubt it, very much |
| 13:38.11 | WilliamDotSI | unless the delete was triggered by the kernel/OS, which gets us back to a bug again |
| 13:38.28 | jelly | !tell WilliamDotSI about bootlogd |
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| 13:39.27 | WilliamDotSI | yes, i can install it |
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| 13:39.28 | jelly | WilliamDotSI: what does grep FSCKFIX /etc/default/rcS say? |
| 13:39.35 | WilliamDotSI | but i cant just reboot that server ;) |
| 13:39.48 | WilliamDotSI | "no" |
| 13:40.00 | WilliamDotSI | i doubt FSCK would work on XFS anyway..= |
| 13:40.01 | WilliamDotSI | *? |
| 13:40.01 | jelly | if you can't reboot, how did you figure out it was reproducible :-) |
| 13:40.12 | WilliamDotSI | because i had to reboot before |
| 13:40.22 | WilliamDotSI | and the new crontab was then gone also |
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| 13:40.50 | WilliamDotSI | the node has not even much installed, everything runs in VMs |
| 13:41.01 | WilliamDotSI | 20 apt packages, if even |
| 13:41.11 | jelly | I have no experience with xfs and its delayed write strategy. It's possible that this is normal for a crash, or that your system somehow forgets to flush physical device caches before reboot |
| 13:41.12 | themill | are you sure you're not running "crontab -r" or "crontab -" somewhere? |
| 13:41.34 | WilliamDotSI | considering that it worked for a year before and i did not change anything in boot: yes. |
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| 13:41.59 | WilliamDotSI | jelly: but then it would start xfs repair at boot |
| 13:42.05 | WilliamDotSI | which it did not invoke |
| 13:42.11 | jelly | WilliamDotSI: how do you know it did not? |
| 13:42.22 | WilliamDotSI | the server has KVM. |
| 13:43.29 | jelly | WilliamDotSI: alright. Did you see a "syncing device" message or similar right before the reboot |
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| 13:43.43 | jelly | flushing? /me does not remember |
| 13:43.55 | WilliamDotSI | flush i think, but no |
| 13:44.03 | WilliamDotSI | nothing out of the ordinary at all |
| 13:44.34 | jelly | that message missing would be not ordinary |
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| 13:45.00 | FlyingFoX | Is it possible to add an already existing ext3 partition to lvm without loosing the data? |
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| 13:47.06 | jelly | FlyingFoX: no, not really |
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| 13:48.03 | FlyingFoX | jelly: thx. gonna copy my stuff then and add the partition after I have done that. |
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| 13:48.45 | jelly | nod |
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| 13:52.20 | lng | Hi! I have compiled Germand from source, but when I install gearman PECL extension, it says configure: error: Please install libgearman. I created Debian package with checkinstall and installed it with `dpkg -i gearmand_1.1.11-1_amd64.deb`, but it didn't help. How to solve it? |
| 13:52.28 | lng | Germand is running |
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| 14:03.07 | WilliamDotSI | jelly: that system is... not ordinary |
| 14:03.19 | WilliamDotSI | it boots from a RAID1 and has its root there, but nothing else runs on it |
| 14:03.24 | crabman | Hello. I need i386 libasound2-plugins but apt-get won't let me install it. http://pastebin.com/SzdHUF90 What can I do about it? |
| 14:03.25 | WilliamDotSI | which is why i am so surprised |
| 14:03.31 | WilliamDotSI | its a very simple openvz hostnode |
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| 14:06.41 | WilliamDotSI | it also seems to have lost some bash history |
| 14:06.51 | nkuttler | WilliamDotSI: hrm, apt-cache policy libavcodec54 ? |
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| 14:09.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell crabman about bat |
| 14:09.40 | nkuttler | oh my.. |
| 14:10.43 | boudiccas | how can i get a list of the services please? those running as well as those not, just the command is needed please? |
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| 14:11.00 | neo1691 | I was trying to use solarized colors for gnome-terminal, but messed up. Lost all colors. When I run grep the matched pattern is not in colors. Even ls has colors but the colors are very few |
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| 14:11.49 | SirLagz | boudiccas: look in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 14:12.30 | nkuttler | boudiccas: or service --status-all.. but why are you asking anyway? |
| 14:13.12 | boudiccas | just trying to get a list of them |
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| 14:14.23 | Kuba | so why in backports there are linux images bpo.2 bpo.3 etc? |
| 14:14.40 | Sevet | different abi versions |
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| 14:15.38 | crabman | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/65283912/ |
| 14:15.47 | Kuba | Sevet: thx |
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| 14:15.58 | DammitJim | silly question... on my raid array, I had a drive fail (doing RAID 50) |
| 14:16.09 | DammitJim | there shouldn't be much performance issues, right? |
| 14:16.19 | DammitJim | I mean, that's the whole point of the array, right? |
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| 14:16.32 | DammitJim | all of a sudden, my VMs aren't reachable |
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| 14:17.32 | nkuttler | crabman: yeah, well, you mixed some random ppa into your nice debian system, #debian doesn't support that. oh, and welcome to testing |
| 14:17.59 | crabman | nkuttler: that ppa doesn't provide anything remotely connected to this library |
| 14:18.17 | nkuttler | crabman: i wouldn't know |
| 14:18.20 | nkuttler | !tell crabman about debian-next |
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| 14:18.49 | jelly | DammitJim: the point of raid is increasing availability, yes, but with a soft raid setup that often means "you may have to restore from backups, but you still have to reboot/power cycle to remove the offending device" |
| 14:19.19 | DammitJim | oh gosh, I don't know why I thought this could all be done HOT |
| 14:19.26 | DammitJim | I mean, they are hot swappable drives |
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| 14:19.45 | DammitJim | the only reason why I am asking on this channel is because I am running Debian VMs in that vCenter |
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| 14:19.52 | jelly | DammitJim: perhaps it can, but did you ever test it? |
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| 14:20.09 | DammitJim | not this machine... I'm new to this job |
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| 14:20.45 | jelly | DammitJim: if you're not running debian as host, hw issues are probably better asked in #vmware |
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| 14:22.49 | jaami | hw doi detect if there is any problem with sound card. the speaker icon on desktop shows volume level control is working but i can hear no sound on my laptop. pleas guide |
| 14:22.57 | jaami | dow do i*** |
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| 14:23.32 | Kuba | is there a bug tracker for mozilla.debian.net packages? |
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| 14:24.30 | Kuba | on current iceweasel-aurora my context menu (right mouse click) displays all possible options for all contexts and still no option works... |
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| 14:27.40 | Kuba | should I just write to pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org ? |
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| 14:31.26 | jaami | hw doi detect if there is any problem with sound card. the speaker icon on desktop shows volume level control is working but i can hear no sound on my laptop. pleas guide |
| 14:31.32 | jaami | how do i *** |
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| 14:33.11 | syeekick | hey fellow debian users |
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| 14:33.59 | Optic | hey! would you people still consider this article reasonably correct for setting up a simple private repo? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 14:34.12 | Optic | I've been using apt-ftparchive but it's not working very well anymore :) |
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| 14:35.05 | syeekick | where is the backlight settings in debian xfce? |
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| 14:38.54 | syeekick | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780M/RS780MN [Mobility Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] |
| 14:38.57 | syeekick | im using that |
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| 14:40.36 | Optic | quiet channel today! |
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| 14:40.51 | syeekick | hey optic |
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| 14:41.07 | Optic | hey |
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| 14:42.51 | syeekick | do you know where i can find backlight settings in debian? |
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| 14:44.01 | pommedvs | `cat /sys/class/backlight/psb-bl/actual_brightness |
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| 14:46.19 | jaami | sound problem is still there without any help. please help if yu can |
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| 14:46.34 | pommedvs | jaami, alsamixer |
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| 14:46.48 | jaami | poffpoffpass, thanks |
| 14:46.56 | jaami | pommedvs, thanks |
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| 14:50.07 | jaami | pommedvs, sound card info is there Detected but still hear no sound. |
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| 14:50.16 | Kuba | after installing backports repo I would assume libreoffice would upgrade automatically as 'dpkg --compare-versions 4.1.0-5~bpo70+3 gt 3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2' is true... why isnt it updated automatically? |
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| 14:51.15 | pommedvs | jaami, you should check it is not "mutted" "bright MM" and volume is high |
| 14:51.16 | jelly | Kuba: nothing from backports gets upgraded automatically |
| 14:51.16 | jaami | music is playing and sound card info is also available but i hear no sound |
| 14:51.28 | jaami | yes volume is high |
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| 14:51.43 | jelly | Kuba: have you read the instructions? http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:51.58 | ksk | hey guys. why does manpages.debian.net not have "sshd_config" manpage? :o |
| 14:52.02 | pommedvs | jaami, plenty of volume to adjust or just one ? |
| 14:52.24 | Kuba | jelly: so why when I installed mozilla.debian.net repo iceweasel upgraded automatically? |
| 14:52.30 | Kuba | jelly: how does it work? |
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| 14:52.47 | jelly | Kuba: you first have to explicitely install something from that repo |
| 14:52.56 | jaami | pommedvs, do you mean how many ways to adjust volume? i can also adjust volume from player and from desktop icon in upper right corner |
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| 14:53.13 | jelly | Kuba: and it's _only_ that package that's going to get upgraded from that repo, from that point on |
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| 14:53.31 | jaami | pommedvs, also the alsamixer shows moving bars when i use arrow keys o adjust volume |
| 14:53.33 | Kuba | jelly: I'm pretty sure I didn't anything special to install iceweasele aurora... |
| 14:53.40 | Kuba | jelly: didn't do * |
| 14:53.50 | pommedvs | jaami, do you see plenty of devices / volume in your alsamixer output or just one.. ? |
| 14:53.50 | Kuba | jelly: just aptitude full-upgrade |
| 14:54.13 | jelly | Kuba: it's possible mozilla.d.n is set up differently from wheezy-backports. I don't use m.d.n |
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| 14:54.37 | jaami | pommedvs, just a second let me check again, i think there were 5 or 6 menu options and one of them was showing sound card info. |
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| 14:54.55 | Kuba | jelly: what component of apt would control it then? |
| 14:55.10 | jelly | Kuba: read the instructions, please |
| 14:55.37 | Kuba | jelly: I did try to find it with no success.. this is why i'm asking here :) |
| 14:55.59 | jelly | Kuba: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:56.05 | pommedvs | jaami, did you try to play a mp3 or a video as root, and did it work ? |
| 14:56.12 | jaami | pommedvs, yes there are plenty of options including Version, Cards, Device and more .... |
| 14:56.39 | jaami | pommedvs, yes, i play mp3 and player shows me progress of running music |
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| 14:57.02 | pommedvs | jaami, you hear nothing playing as root ? |
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| 15:07.19 | lattera | Sevet: as a follow-up, it looks like dmidecode requires root in order to access the system uuid reported by the bios |
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| 15:09.11 | syeekick | sorry i've been using debian for a few days now... `cat /sys/class/backlight/psb-bl/actual_brightness what does this mean? |
| 15:10.19 | lattera | so what I've thought of doing, was doing a hash of multiple things: the mac addresses of all NICs, the uuid of the root FS (if available to non-root users), and maybe one or two other pieces of identifying info |
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| 15:10.34 | syeekick | the folder is empty i used ls -h but its not showing any files are they hidden? |
| 15:10.43 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: it shows you a current /sys setting, most likely for your LCD backlight setting |
| 15:10.43 | jaami | pommedvs, sorry my net got disconnected |
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| 15:11.15 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: there is nothing hidden. hidden files would be starting with a . (a dot) |
| 15:11.34 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: check what's in /sys/class/backlight |
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| 15:11.51 | syeekick | it's empty! |
| 15:11.57 | Sevet | lattera: make sure they're ordered in a deterministic (repeatable) way |
| 15:12.00 | mumpitze1 | lattera: what do you need a UUID for in the first place? |
| 15:12.28 | jaami | l |
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| 15:12.34 | Sevet | lattera: ie SHA512(MAC(eth0)+MAC(eth1)) != SHA512(MAC(eth1)+MAC(eth0)), so sort the interfaces before you get the macs |
| 15:12.37 | lattera | mumpitze1: gathering statistical information about machines using our program |
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| 15:12.55 | jaami | can someone solve my sound card problem please? |
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| 15:14.33 | mumpitze1 | jaami: if you play a mp3 as root, does it work then? how many soundcards do you have? |
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| 15:14.58 | syeekick | anyone got any idea why that conf file isnt there? |
| 15:14.59 | OpenTokix | sileht: Take dd backups of your lv's |
| 15:15.08 | OpenTokix | ups |
| 15:15.10 | MrMonkey31 | jaami: also when did you first notice your problem? |
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| 15:15.13 | jaami | mumpitze1, i have one sound card that is internal and really i dont now how to play mp3 as root. please tell me how |
| 15:15.38 | mumpitze1 | !tell jaami about alsa checklist |
| 15:15.43 | jaami | mumpitze1, the problem is there since i installed debian |
| 15:15.56 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: what howto are you following that you think there should be something? |
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| 15:16.25 | syeekick | pommdev in this channel said it earlier |
| 15:16.37 | pommedvs | jaami, use "sudo" |
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| 15:17.23 | bbtech_ | abrotman: still have disconnect issue with wicd. I'm going to buy an intel card and get away from this realtek one. |
| 15:17.27 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: and how should I know what pommdev suggested to you? |
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| 15:18.30 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: and which laptop is it exactly? |
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| 15:18.59 | syeekick | well mumpitze1 its in the chat log .... but hey ho. its a hp6735s |
| 15:19.14 | syeekick | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780M/RS780MN [Mobility Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] |
| 15:19.21 | syeekick | using that g-card with them drivers |
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| 15:21.57 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=120288 |
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| 15:23.37 | syeekick | thanks mumpitze1 |
| 15:23.49 | syeekick | the birghtnes .conf files isnt there but ill make on i think |
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| 15:24.34 | mumpitze1 | what do you mean with "there"? |
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| 15:24.56 | mumpitze1 | and no, creating something under /proc won't help, if you can do it at all |
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| 15:25.48 | JyZyXEL | is this a valid way of implementing netconsole on a debian wheezy: sudo sh -c 'echo netconsole >> /etc/modules'; sudo sh -c 'echo options netconsole netconsole=6666@192.168.1.102/eth0,6666@192.168.1.103/08:00:46:d4:1d:82 > /etc/modprobe.d/netconsole.conf' |
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| 15:30.40 | stormy98 | if i have 30gb of ram what would be the ideal swap ? |
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| 15:32.45 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if the debian kernel has netconsole as a module or as built-in |
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| 15:34.14 | mumpitze1 | JyZyXEL: grep -i netconsol /boot/conf* |
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| 15:34.38 | mumpitze1 | stormy98: 1-2GB tops. unless you want to hibernate |
| 15:35.19 | JyZyXEL | CONFIG_NETCONSOLE=m CONFIG_NETCONSOLE_DYNAMIC=y |
| 15:35.21 | pommedvs | stormy98, should be 60gb of swap, not sure is the same actually |
| 15:35.22 | JyZyXEL | looks like its a module |
| 15:35.48 | mumpitze1 | pommedvs: only for hibernation. otherwise it's a waste of space |
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| 15:37.51 | pommedvs | mumpitze1, i still do it, in fact.. because gB of hardisk cost little, and afair, could help with bad software.. eating memory |
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| 15:38.47 | mumpitze1 | not 3GB of bad software |
| 15:39.08 | mumpitze1 | and nowadays, people don't use cheap harddisks anymore but expensive SSDs |
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| 15:40.06 | stormy98 | meh! that doesn't help me |
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| 15:40.30 | stormy98 | bangs head on wall! stupid database crap! |
| 15:41.57 | stormy98 | can't work out why oom is killing this pg_dump! :( |
| 15:42.06 | syeekick | sad face |
| 15:42.28 | syeekick | could someone come on teamviewer and see if i've missed something on brightness settings in the GUI? |
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| 15:43.42 | pommedvs | stormy98, echo -17 >> /proc/$(cat /var/run/postgresql/X.X-main.pid)/oom_adj |
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| 15:44.20 | stormy98 | it's a vm in proxmox btw. |
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| 15:45.20 | mumpitze1 | syeekick: do never ever allow anyone from irc access your system, thrice not as root. unless you want to set up and reinstall your complete system again |
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| 15:46.57 | jaami | mumpitze1, thanks for help. i disassembled laptop a month ago and forgot to plug in the speakers wire. the headphone is working fine. |
| 15:47.45 | stormy98 | pommedvs: and it's set to -13 as it is |
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| 15:48.11 | magnetophon | grammoboy: hoi ;) |
| 15:48.19 | Linux-Zombie | Hello everyone |
| 15:48.31 | grammoboy | magnetophon, yo! |
| 15:48.35 | pommedvs | stormy98, -17 is better.. oom kill as last resort :) |
| 15:49.03 | pommedvs | stormy98, you've got postgres memory hungry :) |
| 15:49.04 | jaami | do i have to install flash to see moview or there is another way instead of installing the dam flash player? |
| 15:49.22 | stormy98 | to be fair pommedvs it works fine other then pg_dump on this one table |
| 15:49.26 | stormy98 | which oom kills it! |
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| 15:49.29 | stormy98 | other tables work fine! |
| 15:49.53 | stormy98 | other dbs work fine!* |
| 15:49.59 | stormy98 | if you back up each table manually it works |
| 15:50.02 | MrMonkey31 | waves @ LinuxZombie |
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| 15:50.47 | pommedvs | stormy98, personaly .. i have 12GB of ram, and set up my swap with 24GB, now i use old hardware like hardisk.. amoung other things |
| 15:51.13 | stormy98 | hmm see this is what i allways thought is using hd * 2 for swap |
| 15:51.29 | stormy98 | but when it runs it doesn't use any swap currently set to 1gb and atm using 2mb of swap |
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| 15:51.35 | stormy98 | it's got loads hd space 40gb free |
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| 15:51.46 | stormy98 | it's got 30gb ram and only uses 15 or so |
| 15:51.55 | pommedvs | stormy98, usually after 12GB is exhausted, whole system slow down enormously butyou still can run command and fix it up.. |
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| 15:52.16 | stormy98 | i was thinking of incresing to 10gb to be fair |
| 15:52.22 | stormy98 | but t's a vm and would need a reboot. |
| 15:52.42 | stormy98 | the oom_adj would that just work or does it need a reboot? or anything |
| 15:53.29 | pommedvs | stormy98, just work.. since you modified it on the fly (/proc).. process runnig |
| 15:53.42 | stormy98 | ah ok lets run this and see what ti does then |
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| 15:53.59 | stormy98 | give me a phsycial machine anyday shuddy vm's! |
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| 15:54.32 | pommedvs | stormy98, but since this is a vm.. could be the VM that matters and not postgres |
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| 15:57.01 | B3RN0UT | hi, i'm trying to run a wifi dongle on a cubieboard2 with cubian which is based on debian. how could i check if the cubieboard "sees" (terminal) the dongle? |
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| 15:57.48 | mumpitze1 | B3RN0UT: we don't support distros based on debian but only debian. I suggest you check dmesg output tho. good luck |
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| 15:58.58 | fcp2 | hia,please anyone can help... i've sound at speakers but not in headphones |
| 15:59.07 | fcp2 | anyone can help? |
| 15:59.17 | fcp2 | i use wheezy |
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| 15:59.46 | mumpitze1 | fcp2: laptops can be tricky in this regard |
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| 15:59.50 | B3RN0UT | mumpitze1: however thx, cya bb |
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| 16:00.08 | stormy98 | pommedvs: still killed the process! :( |
| 16:00.24 | stormy98 | Oct 29 15:54:29 www1 kernel: OOM killed process 0 (pg_dump) vm:4104920kB, rss:4045352kB, swap:0kB |
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| 16:03.32 | jaami | can someone give me link for free ebooks on debian shell commands? |
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| 16:04.25 | void__ | hello! |
| 16:04.28 | jaami | i need ebooks because i go stay offline most tof th time |
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| 16:04.47 | jaami | of the time *** |
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| 16:05.13 | void__ | iv been with proftpd for a long time, i dont like to re set it up its a pain in the ass... can someone recommend me any alternate , pureftp or vsftp ? |
| 16:05.15 | Nik05 | most commands ahve man pages |
| 16:05.48 | fcp2 | :S |
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| 16:06.35 | mumpitze1 | void__: vsftpd I'd say. but: why do you need a ftp server? |
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| 16:07.18 | mumpitze1 | !tell jaami about handbook |
| 16:07.20 | FlyingFoX | void__: ftp over ssh is really nice :) |
| 16:07.26 | void__ | cause i have users that arent capable of using private keys nor will they be able to use ssh scp .... |
| 16:07.27 | mumpitze1 | jaami: also ask dpkg about grounding, about books, etc |
| 16:07.42 | mumpitze1 | jaami: /msg dpkg <topic> |
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| 16:07.58 | void__ | i would live ftp over ssh if there were any simple client for linux/osc/windows |
| 16:08.00 | mumpitze1 | void__: any recent ftp client can do sftp now. and it will work with user/password just fine |
| 16:08.06 | jaami | mumpitze1, thanks , thats nice feature of debian chat |
| 16:08.07 | mumpitze1 | void__: filezilla |
| 16:08.09 | FlyingFoX | void__: you can use sftp (ftp over ssh) through filezilla. and creating a private keys is not that complicated |
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| 16:08.32 | pirret | if he wants to use ftp let him |
| 16:08.32 | void__ | filezilla supports sftp ! |
| 16:08.35 | void__ | thats a great thing ! |
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| 16:08.50 | mumpitze1 | did support it for years now |
| 16:08.57 | linedash | or winscp |
| 16:09.06 | mumpitze1 | void__: for OSX, cyberduck apparently does too |
| 16:09.08 | void__ | i will look into sftp :) seen it around in my sshd configs but havent cared about it much cause my freaky clients |
| 16:09.09 | void__ | :) |
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| 16:09.22 | void__ | cyberduck , thanks mumpitzel |
| 16:09.24 | void__ | good to know |
| 16:09.52 | dawid | is here anyone who is interested in raspberry pi? |
| 16:09.54 | void__ | cool thanks guys ! |
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| 16:10.01 | void__ | raspberry pi is great dawid ! |
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| 16:10.23 | dawid | ok. i know,but i have a problem |
| 16:10.24 | void__ | i love these little boxes, got 2 of them around me and also one cubox |
| 16:10.51 | void__ | well maybe maybe i can help |
| 16:11.00 | dawid | howto configure openwrt on raspberry? via ethernet or via monitor? |
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| 16:11.12 | mumpitze1 | dawid: how is this a debian related support question? |
| 16:11.31 | void__ | what a question :) |
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| 16:11.43 | void__ | as i know openwrt ... probably via webinterface ;) |
| 16:11.57 | void__ | or ssh |
| 16:12.04 | dawid | how wwith raspberry. |
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| 16:12.38 | void__ | i suggest you read the basics about raspberry pi, and join an raspberry related channel |
| 16:12.39 | mumpitze1 | dawid: please ask in a opnwrt or raspberry channel, void: please answer it in a openwrt or raspberry channel |
| 16:12.51 | void__ | as i have no clue what openwrt would be capable of an raspberry pi |
| 16:13.00 | void__ | will do :) |
| 16:13.06 | dawid | ok, next question... how to connect raspberry with computer : via normal eth cable or crossed? |
| 16:13.14 | JyZyXEL | can i set debug and ignore_loglevel kernel options after kernel is already running? |
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| 16:13.20 | mumpitze1 | dawid: please stop |
| 16:13.28 | jaami | mumpitze1, i have internet for limited time and that is why i needed ebooks for offline reading. i though there will be many but google did not return any good link |
| 16:13.40 | mumpitze1 | jaami: dpkg gave you some |
| 16:13.51 | jaami | those are online |
| 16:13.52 | mumpitze1 | they can all be downloaded too |
| 16:14.02 | jaami | oh ok, i check again |
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| 16:14.06 | mumpitze1 | and wget -r -np <url> downloads things that are online |
| 16:14.11 | dawid | i dont know why, but rasbperry channel need authorisation |
| 16:14.18 | jaami | wow , nice |
| 16:14.37 | mumpitze1 | dawid: /msg nickserv help register you need to be registered with nickserv |
| 16:14.57 | dawid | wHAT DOES IT MEAN? |
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| 16:16.27 | mumpitze1 | !customer |
| 16:16.27 | dpkg | NEXT PLEASE! |
| 16:17.12 | brilliant_ | dpkg -r itself? |
| 16:17.12 | dpkg | removes itself along with a pound of flesh from brilliant_'s body, then staples brilliant_ back up with a staple gun. |
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| 16:19.58 | MrMonkey31 | okay... this is pretty dense of me, but I can't figure it out. I have a .bz2 file here. is there a way to point apt at it to somehow facilitate build-dep? I want to dl the build dependencies |
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| 16:20.22 | mumpitze1 | MrMonkey31: the build dependencies of what? |
| 16:20.34 | MrMonkey31 | wine-unstable_1.5.5-0.1.debian.tar.bz2 |
| 16:20.43 | mumpitze1 | ,wine-unstable |
| 16:20.47 | mumpitze1 | ,v wine-unstable |
| 16:20.49 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.30-2 |
| 16:21.02 | mumpitze1 | use the dependencies of that. you will have to put sid into your sources.list |
| 16:21.26 | mumpitze1 | apt will not be able to get build-dependencies from random archive files |
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| 16:21.55 | mumpitze1 | and make sure to remove sid from your sources.list and apt-get update after you're done with your dependencies |
| 16:22.24 | mumpitze1 | do it like you do a simple sid backport |
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| 16:23.31 | Frosh | what terminal do people use with the awesome window manager? |
| 16:24.06 | mumpitze1 | Frosh: one of the urvxt's for example |
| 16:24.08 | MrMonkey31 | mumpitze1: hmm, yeah I'd better look into that again, because I always figured backports were something I'd botch horrifically. maybe there's a script out there that can just grab them from the archive file (I checked and there's a debian/control folder inside and crud) |
| 16:24.21 | mumpitze1 | !tell MrMonkey31 about ssb |
| 16:24.25 | mumpitze1 | there is no script however |
| 16:24.32 | GuestO5531 | what is the thing called this pointer that show where i am in the text and where can i change its looking |
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| 16:24.56 | mumpitze1 | GuestO5531: cursor? |
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| 16:26.20 | GuestO5531 | isnt cursor the thing of the mouse? |
| 16:26.34 | mumpitze1 | that's a mousepointer |
| 16:26.34 | GuestO5531 | than textcursor? |
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| 16:26.48 | GuestO5531 | mhh ok and where can i change its looking |
| 16:27.25 | mumpitze1 | that would probably depend on the desktop environment you are running |
| 16:27.37 | mumpitze1 | and changing the look of the cursor is probably very limited |
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| 16:27.54 | Frosh | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 16:28.07 | MrMonkey31 | mumpitze1: actually I was going to build the latest version from git, do-de-do. and having botched all attempts at getting any of the i386 dev packages, I was looking for a way to do it automated-like. was it horrifically wrong to try and use the unstable's build dependencies for the latest code version, or just moderately wrong. I have my finger on the BAIL button at all times, btw |
| 16:28.37 | MrMonkey31 | meaning, I can reinstall my system, np |
| 16:28.48 | mumpitze1 | MrMonkey31: sure, btu you can still use the dependencies for wine-unstable from sid as a base imho. you should move over the debian/ directory too if your git source doesn't have one to create a .deb |
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| 16:29.41 | MrMonkey31 | okay thanks guys! : } |
| 16:29.43 | mumpitze1 | MrMonkey31: creating a .deb is under all circumstances preferable when running debian |
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| 16:30.09 | MrMonkey31 | mumpitze1: that's what I heard! |
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| 16:30.31 | mumpitze1 | the important part is not so much for installing but you can uninstall .debs which is a HUGE gain |
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| 16:31.28 | ExeciN | I used w_scan -c CY -G to scan for channels but channels.conf is missing |
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| 16:34.18 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: and what was the full output of w_scan? |
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| 16:38.14 | dD_ | After resizing a partition and installing windows, my live cd cannot recognize the extended partition where my encrypted HDD is. I can mount my HDD directly with luksopen but I cannot boot anymore. Fdisk and gparted do not recognize that partition. How can I repair it? |
| 16:38.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | I installed a Wheezy a couple of days ago. I noticed SSH not only has PermitRootLogin on, but passwords are enabled as well. |
| 16:38.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | And considering Debian insists on starting all installed services, I find it rather insecure to unsuspecting users. |
| 16:39.14 | ExeciN | mumpitze1: http://pastebin.com/EFUYjX8h |
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| 16:41.19 | mumpitze1 | ExeciN: maybe running it through strace to see why it doesn't write the found stations to a file? |
| 16:41.40 | ExeciN | mumpitze1: ho do I do that? |
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| 16:42.54 | mumpitze1 | by reading man pages and /msg dpkg strace |
| 16:43.41 | stormy98 | question |
| 16:43.52 | stormy98 | i've set the vm.commit to 2 to turn off oom killer |
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| 16:44.10 | stormy98 | now the box is dieing and showing =bash: fork: cannot allocate memory on everything |
| 16:44.13 | stormy98 | how can i reboot it? |
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| 16:44.40 | Sevet | power button |
| 16:44.45 | stormy98 | ah fuck! |
| 16:44.49 | stormy98 | it's remote to me! :( |
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| 16:44.55 | Sevet | remote kvm? |
| 16:45.00 | stormy98 | nope! :( |
| 16:45.03 | Sevet | or remotely accessible powerbar? |
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| 16:45.42 | peterrooney | Eduard_Munteanu: why would I install a service and expect it to not start? |
| 16:45.57 | nell | how do I see if I have a certain package |
| 16:46.01 | nell | I want to disable selinux |
| 16:46.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterrooney: because you expect to configure it before starting it |
| 16:46.07 | Sevet | nell: dpkg -l $packagename |
| 16:46.11 | nell | Thanks |
| 16:46.22 | nell | No package found |
| 16:46.36 | Sevet | !tell nell about selinux |
| 16:46.41 | Sevet | note the uninstall comment... |
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| 16:47.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | peterrooney: unless the default config is harmless enough, but it doesn't seem to be the case of openssh |
| 16:47.25 | edj | Running wheezy 64 on a macbook. After a while, system freezes and I have to power it off and restart. Any idea on how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 16:48.21 | Weetos | edj sounds like your macbook needs a smc reset |
| 16:49.04 | edj | Weetos, Sorry, but what is smc reset? |
| 16:49.30 | bhuddah | pressing the button until it beeps. |
| 16:49.39 | dD_ | I've got an extended partition that is not recognizable, but the encrypted partition inside of it is. How can I repair it so I can boot from it? |
| 16:50.17 | Weetos | edj> Can't tell for sure, but you can at least give it a try : google that : 'macbook smc reset' basically you need to keep some keys pressed during boot |
| 16:50.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: recognized by whom or what? |
| 16:51.00 | edj | Weetos, Thanks, will try. |
| 16:51.14 | Weetos | edj> no prob |
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| 16:55.08 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, gparted or the OS when trying to mount it. |
| 16:55.56 | ExeciN | I didn't knew such a thing as strace existed! I am now 50% more happy |
| 16:56.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: what does it say about the extended partition? Can you see it in fdisk? |
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| 16:56.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: also it seems pretty clearly that it does see the extended partition, otherwise it wouldn't make a /dev/ entry for it. |
| 16:57.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | s/it/the logical partition inside it |
| 16:57.09 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, I can see it in fdisk, but the file system isn't recognized |
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| 16:57.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: oh, are you trying to mount an extended partition? You can't. |
| 16:58.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: extended partitions are just containers and description tables of logical partitions. |
| 16:58.08 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, shouldn't gparted recognize it? it did before. |
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| 16:58.34 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, problem is that now I can't boot from it. |
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| 16:59.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: hm... I guess it should but perhaps it doesn't show it in case the disk is partitioned canonically |
| 16:59.21 | ExeciN | mumpitze1: http://pastebin.com/zYQ37bTD by the looks of it, it seems that the binary doesn't even try to compile a file. |
| 16:59.26 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, what does canonically mean? |
| 16:59.32 | nell | I'm unable to download the dependancies for a certain package I want to download |
| 16:59.36 | nell | how can I manually update them? |
| 16:59.40 | nell | [libc6] |
| 17:00.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: extended partitions are the very last of the primary partitions, and they don't contain useful data aside from describing the logical ones, so they can be omitted without loss of information |
| 17:00.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Omitted by parted, that is. |
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| 17:00.24 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, http://i.imgur.com/BZ72ebK.png <--- that's what it looks like. |
| 17:00.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: oh... in that case it looks like your partition tables isn't quite standard |
| 17:01.33 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, I formatted it with gparted, and installed windows, that's what brought the problem. |
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| 17:02.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: I think Windows made 'sda3' and parted doesn't like it because a standard partition table must have only one extended partition and it should be the last primary partition. |
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| 17:02.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: are you trying to reinstall the bootloader? |
| 17:03.10 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, it should be the last primary partition? Oh... I made sda3, actually. |
| 17:03.37 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, I tried, but it didn't work, I just tried boot repair but I haven't rebooted yet. |
| 17:03.49 | jaami | mumpitze1, i gave this command to get command reference wget -r -np http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html. Returned by <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jaami |
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| 17:04.06 | jaami | :) |
| 17:04.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: what /dev/sda* entries do you have, if you 'ls /dev/sda*' ? |
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| 17:04.48 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, um.. for some reason, now none. I used to have sda1, sda2, sda3 and sda5 |
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| 17:05.39 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, sorry, got them. sda, sda1, sda2, sda3 |
| 17:05.48 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, mistyped. |
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| 17:06.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: no sda5 etc ? |
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| 17:06.23 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, no, but I'm sure it was there on my previous reboot. |
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| 17:07.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: can you pastebin the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
| 17:07.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | All of it, shouldn't be much. |
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| 17:08.23 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, http://pastebin.com/svr8jbDg sda5 was there for sure before. |
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| 17:09.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: how come /dev/sda2 has ID 83 and it's not extended? Did you alter it at all? |
| 17:09.18 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, because I did sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 crypt1 and it worked perfectly well.. |
| 17:10.01 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, yes. I tried editing it in with testdisk to see if that changed anything. But I think it's always been 83 |
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| 17:10.39 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, no, wait, it hasn't. It used to be 5, does that make sense? |
| 17:10.41 | traubisoda_ | hi |
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| 17:11.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: yes, it should be 5 |
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| 17:11.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's probably one of the few partition type IDs Linux actually cares about. |
| 17:12.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: you can change it with fdisk, just be careful. The operation is rather safe in itself. |
| 17:13.03 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, ok, "You cannot change a partition into an extended one or vice versa, delete it first." |
| 17:13.35 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, should I delete it? :/ |
| 17:13.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hrmpf. Lemme look if sfdisk can do that. |
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| 17:14.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: not sure if that deletes the EBR contents as well |
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| 17:16.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: sfdisk: usage: sfdisk --id device partition-number [Id] |
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| 17:16.36 | jaami | what mistake is in this command wget -r -np http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
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| 17:16.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: so something like sfdisk --id /dev/sda 2 5 should do. But you can backup the MBR and EBR first. |
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| 17:17.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: you might need '-x' for sfdisk as wel |
| 17:17.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | *well |
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| 17:19.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: you can backup with 'dd' or sfdisk itself. |
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| 17:20.50 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, sudo fdisk -d /dev/sda > backup.txt? |
| 17:21.00 | brontosaurusrex | doing my 3rd deboostrap of sid on wheezy |
| 17:21.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: you can do that but I'd make a binary backup as well |
| 17:21.27 | brontosaurusrex | and i wonder, sometimes i would just launch an app and it would automagically open its own gtk? window |
| 17:21.42 | brontosaurusrex | But i'am not sure what is it that makes that happen ... |
| 17:21.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | dD_: dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr_backup bs=512 count=1 |
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| 17:24.09 | brontosaurusrex | clues? |
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| 17:24.10 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, I think that was it! Gparted recognized it. I'm going to reboot and see if boot repair also worked. |
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| 17:25.13 | Couch | Nothing has changed in debian installer right ? vlan interfaces are still not supported ? |
| 17:25.17 | dD_ | Eduard_Munteanu, not sure how that happened, wouldn't make sense that windows did it.. |
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| 17:34.02 | nell | something about my libav is broken, mplayer won't play certain videos |
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| 17:34.24 | Sevet | probably missing some codecs |
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| 17:39.25 | brontosaurusrex | what would be a gui for selecting gtk themes in sid? |
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| 17:40.52 | mtn | brontosaurusrex: gnome-tweak-tool? |
| 17:41.09 | brontosaurusrex | mkay |
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| 17:48.51 | brontosaurusrex | lxapperance should work as well? |
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| 18:01.55 | martint | How computers know if it's time to change from summer time to winter time or from winter time to summer time? I know that certain operating systems(for example Cisco IOS) have this date specified in configuration file. |
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| 18:02.53 | Sevet | there's a timezone database |
| 18:02.53 | ksk | you probably have to tell them, yap ;) |
| 18:02.59 | Sevet | (tzdata package) |
| 18:03.11 | Sevet | it includes when DST is in effect |
| 18:03.40 | Sevet | some programs use that database directly, others need to be synced against it |
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| 18:08.43 | splig | hi there! I just upgraded from squeezy to wheezy and my new gtk3 seems not working. I think it may be some ATI card driver issue but no sure |
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| 18:08.59 | splig | do I need 3D graphics for the new gdm3 ?? |
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| 18:09.45 | ectospasm | !squeezy |
| 18:09.46 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 <stable> is codenamed <wheezy>. The <oldstable> distribution, Debian 6.0, is codenamed <squeeze>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
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| 18:10.26 | splig | hehe ok. squeeze sorry |
| 18:11.04 | splig | anyway... i think the tipping is not the cause of my problem... |
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| 18:15.08 | mtn | splig: are you getting fallback mode |
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| 18:15.50 | DarkSim | Hello! I decided to give Debian a go, but I was unable to make the Live USB functional, it got an error when trying to load install components |
| 18:16.04 | splig | mtn, I don't what exactly it is... What I get is that it is almost looking as gnome2. some colors and icons chaged, but nothing else... |
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| 18:16.12 | splig | sounds like fallback, isn't it? |
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| 18:16.36 | mtn | splig: ok, that is probably fallback. you will need some other video drivers. the debian wiki should be able to help you. |
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| 18:17.01 | splig | what could i try? I tried to install private and open source ati drivers, but nothing changed... maybe i did do it correctly or maybe it is not the cause of the issue... |
| 18:17.03 | DarkSim | I don't have any access to a installed OS since I managed to break GRUB, all I can do with for now is a Live USB of Crunchbang |
| 18:17.33 | mtn | DarkSim: how did you try to make the usb stick bootable? paste your info to http://paste.debian.net if more than a couple of lines. |
| 18:17.34 | splig | ok. i will try again... dammed ATI! next time intel or nvidia for sure |
| 18:17.35 | splig | thanks |
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| 18:19.00 | DarkSim | mtn, The best result I got was by using ''dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync'' |
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| 18:19.46 | mtn | DarkSim: well that sounds like the right way. how did it fail? more details will help folks help you. |
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| 18:20.55 | DarkSim | mtn, I used the netinst.iso from the main page of Debian, then I used the command I just told you, then I rebooted got into the 64-bit graphical installer, then I performed the first 4 or 5 steps until it failed on the step called Load Install Components |
| 18:21.21 | DarkSim | It just told me it could not load the CD |
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| 18:21.46 | martint | Sevet, ksk: but what happens if somebody decides that in this year we will move to DST on first week of May and switch back to first week on November. In this case the tzdata package is updated? |
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| 18:22.10 | mtn | DarkSim: odd, I have heard of that error, but I thought it had to do with unetbootin. |
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| 18:22.56 | DarkSim | I'm really bad at this, so I cant tell you much more than that, Im a Ubuntu fool |
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| 18:23.54 | mtn | DarkSim: you can use this to repair your grub: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub |
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| 18:25.24 | DarkSim | mtn, I think I might have done something pretty bad with Grub though, shall I explain how my computer is set up? |
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| 18:25.54 | mtn | DarkSim: go ahead and explain your problem to the channel (not to me) and maybe someone can help |
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| 18:28.37 | DarkSim | The thing is that I yesterday tried to install Arch, after many hours I finally got it to work, even with Grub, but now today I tried to install Crunchbang. I have a SSD and a HDD, the SSD contains Win8 and about 40gb out of those 250 in total was used to install Arch/Crunchbang, the HDD is labelled as sda, so I think that the Crunchbang installer might have put the Grub in MBR on sda (the HDD) even though the all the OS's I have are o |
| 18:28.37 | DarkSim | n sdb (the SSD) |
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| 18:30.32 | krixkrax | why does ubuntu install apache 2.2 instead of 2.4 when I run apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 18:31.25 | ompaul | krixkrax: ask in #ubuntu please this is the #debian channel, and funny enough in line with the name we provide tech support for debian, not things made downstream from debian. ;-) |
| 18:32.21 | krixkrax | damn I tought I'm in the ubuntu room. I misclicked :D |
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| 18:32.41 | ompaul | I didn't see the c when I read that mis... first ... |
| 18:33.00 | ompaul | strange thing to do to a mouse |
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| 18:36.29 | NotJimCarrey | is there a way to extract multiple files? unrar (& 7za) x *.rar doesn't work |
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| 18:38.11 | jordanm | NotJimCarrey: for f in *.rar; do unrar "$f"; done |
| 18:38.17 | DANtheBEASTman | what to you guys call it when people mix releases? frankendebian or something? |
| 18:38.25 | NotJimCarrey | dammit, i keep forgetting about for |
| 18:38.28 | NotJimCarrey | thanks jordanm |
| 18:39.50 | jordanm | !frankendebian |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:40.46 | NotJimCarrey | so debian sid with kali and ubuntu repos isn't supported? |
| 18:40.47 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 18:41.35 | justinas | Good morning, guys. |
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| 18:42.25 | justinas | For some curious reason only the HDMI display and HDMI sound output work on my laptop, when I finish booting up the computer. How can I fix that? |
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| 18:42.57 | NotJimCarrey | depends on the GPU & which sound daemon you use |
| 18:43.11 | justinas | Intel and pulseaudio. |
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| 18:43.30 | jordanm | justinas: you might need to re-order the devices. some applications such as flash will always only output to the first device |
| 18:43.34 | NotJimCarrey | intel, no idea personally (NV), but PA is kinda easy to fix |
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| 18:44.03 | justinas | Kinda easy, when you know, and I don't. :-) |
| 18:44.10 | justinas | How do I do that? |
| 18:44.37 | NotJimCarrey | justinas: in pavucontrol, under Output Devices, click gren check fo preferred default output |
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| 18:45.01 | jordanm | justinas: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc#The_default_plugin |
| 18:45.44 | NotJimCarrey | also, if you want certain programs to always (ish) output over HDMI, like, say XBMC, while the program is running, change it's output device on the Playback tab |
| 18:45.52 | jordanm | but good luck. i had to blacklist my secondary device since some games (eg wesnoth) would still output the wrong one |
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| 18:47.46 | DarkSim | Excuse me, do I load Super Grub2 Disk onto a USB the same way I do with distro iso's? |
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| 18:51.09 | justinas | NotJimCarrey: I don't think that's the case. |
| 18:51.16 | justinas | cat /proc/asound/cards gives me |
| 18:51.23 | justinas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.23 | justinas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.35 | justinas | Which would look like there is only one card on the system. |
| 18:51.54 | justinas | And if I understand correctly, that's where the sound goes -- to the HDMI output. |
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| 18:58.51 | darksim | Thank God for mnt, that Super Grub2 Disk saved my day |
| 18:58.56 | darksim | Thank you so very very much for the help! |
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| 19:02.37 | mtn | darksim: glad you got it going |
| 19:02.54 | darksim | rescuatux worked flawlessly |
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| 19:03.04 | darksim | now it has the Grub on the SSD and it loads the SSD first |
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| 19:12.38 | yalu | I'm having a boot order issue with wheezy. the checkfs.sh init script fails because it tries to fsck a logical volume which resides on iscsi. and checkfs.sh is executed before open-iscsi init script |
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| 19:14.08 | jthomas_ | yalu reorder the scripts |
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| 19:14.45 | babilen | yalu: Report a bug please and take a look at the respective LSB headers in the scripts which you find in the /etc/init.d/ directory. Use inssrv to re-generate the symlinks. |
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| 19:15.01 | yalu | myes I tried by adding should-start open-iscsi to checkfs.sh but it looks like I'm creating a circular dependency |
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| 19:15.27 | babilen | yalu: I can't, at the moment, tell if this is intentional (and if there are ways to circumvent the problem you are running into) or a genuine bug. |
| 19:15.31 | yalu | part of the problem is that the VG has PV's on both iscsi and on local storage |
| 19:15.37 | yalu | I think |
| 19:15.44 | babilen | oh, lovely |
| 19:16.10 | yalu | I should probably not do that :) |
| 19:16.13 | babilen | That sounds like an, well, unusual setup. |
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| 19:16.36 | yalu | so I guess the vg gets activated and therefor checked |
| 19:16.41 | babilen | sure |
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| 19:17.34 | yalu | I did it to keep one of the LV's on local storage when migrating to a different storage box... probably better create another one, or use vgsplit |
| 19:18.05 | yalu | strange thing is, this is the second time I try it and my other box comes up OK |
| 19:18.12 | babilen | yalu: Without any additional information it sounds as if you should reevaluate your LVM setup and consider not mixing local/remote storage. (assuming that would fix the problem) -- My assumption in saying this is that having a VG each would circumvent the need to check the filesystem from checkfs. |
| 19:19.30 | babilen | yalu: Hmm, as I have no experience with iSCSI i am not necessarily the best person to make authorative statements about this. If you believe that your setup is a genuine and sane usecase then please report a bug and discuss with the maintainer how this problem can be dealt with. |
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| 19:19.44 | babilen | yalu: What are the differences between this and the other box? |
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| 19:20.26 | yalu | babilen: none that I found yet. might have been a lucky shot. |
| 19:21.22 | DammitJim | amy |
| 19:21.27 | DammitJim | duh |
| 19:22.08 | yalu | you see, there is a certain mount option in fstab called _netdev. if you set it, mountall init script will not mount the volume, instead it is only mounted after network, iscsi etc are up. but fsck doesn't take it into account. |
| 19:22.32 | MraMaria | hi. do you know how any package to edit a .m4a file so i can remove some components from it? |
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| 19:24.56 | magnetophon | MraMaria: you mean remove some sounds but not others? |
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| 19:25.38 | MraMaria | magenbrot: in fact removing some subtitles code from it. it's a video/audio file |
| 19:26.24 | babilen | yalu: That sounds like something that should *at least* be discussed with the maintainer. Mind looking for applicable bugs in the initscripts package? (a cursory search didn't reveal any) |
| 19:26.59 | magnetophon | MraMaria: wrong nick. sorry can't help you there. |
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| 19:27.42 | dondelelcaro | yalu: network filesystems should almost never be fscked |
| 19:28.24 | MraMaria | magnetophon: okay. tks | sorry magenbrot for the mistake on the nick. |
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| 19:30.45 | MraMaria | magnetophon: i did another mistake :( it's a .mkv file, not .m4a (i's on the same dir and same name. |
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| 19:31.40 | yalu | babilen: if you think it is a sane thing to ask, sure I can search the BTS tomorrow. dondelelcaro no network file systems not, but file systems on networked block devices like iscsi or nbd are certainly a target for fsck. |
| 19:32.20 | dondelelcaro | yalu: right; in those cases, you just set FSCKTYPES to something like "!opt=_netdev", and then you'd have to call checkfs later |
| 19:32.31 | dondelelcaro | yalu: once the network block device is available |
| 19:33.00 | dondelelcaro | yalu: you're probably right that this should be done by default, though |
| 19:33.19 | magnetophon | MraMaria: can't really help there either. I never do stuff with video. you could ask at #lad (linux audio developers). not really for video either, but woth a shot |
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| 19:33.46 | MraMaria | ahh ok, magnetophon . thank you :) |
| 19:33.58 | babilen | yalu: I am under the impression as if your setup is unusual and that this problem might not have been encountered that often before. I don't think bringing it up if you think that your setup is sane is a problem. If it is no bug that could be fixed the bug report can be closed easily. |
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| 19:38.47 | yalu | dondelelcaro: like the init script is coded now, I think FSCKTYPES is hard coded. and there may be another thing: the open-iscsi init scripts mounts file systems with the _netdev option, but doesn't fsck them. this may also cause problems. for instance jfs needs fsck to replay the journal after a hard reset or crash |
| 19:39.23 | syee_ | hi im using debian wheezy with xfce and i want to change my screen birghtness to full. it sets to full when i UNPLUG the ac.... but when i plug the ac back in it goes dim |
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| 19:39.42 | Lady_Aleena | is back (gone 09:01:15) |
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| 19:40.01 | LoRez | Lady_Aleena: can you turn that nonsense off here on freenode? |
| 19:40.27 | pommedvs | syee_, xfce-power-manager doesn't handle this for you ? |
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| 19:41.39 | Lady_Aleena | LoRez, it is something that came with my IRC client I was trying out. |
| 19:41.41 | syee_ | pommedvs, no it doesnt |
| 19:42.08 | LoRez | Lady_Aleena: it's quite unnecessary and might get you banned. |
| 19:42.31 | Lady_Aleena | LoRez, an away message and a back message? |
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| 19:42.58 | LoRez | Lady_Aleena: yep. |
| 19:42.58 | dondelelcaro | yalu: nah, FSCKTYPES isn't hard coded; it's just not set to anyting by default |
| 19:43.20 | dondelelcaro | yalu: but I think this is probably a case of this not being totally thought out |
| 19:43.52 | pommedvs | syee_, i see brightness settings on xfce-power-manager release 1.2.0 |
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| 19:43.57 | Lady_Aleena | LoRez, is there a reason away messages could get me banned? |
| 19:44.21 | LoRez | Lady_Aleena: people generally don't find them useful and very noisy... |
| 19:44.50 | syee_ | how do i update to 1.2.0 ? im using1.0.11 |
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| 19:46.20 | mumpitze1 | syee_: how LCD brighness is handles differs a lot with every laptop |
| 19:46.25 | pommedvs | syee_, i suppose it comes from unstable, but i look further |
| 19:46.30 | fruitFly | what do you think is a good laptop for debian? I want good driver support and an i7 (the faster the better) with at least intel 4000HD (for kdenlive). Is asus a suboptimal choice? I had issues with their wlan firmware with a belkin access point and I want to avoid headaches? What do you think? What about this samsung? http://www.cowboom.com/product/1332628 |
| 19:46.38 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: a thinkpad |
| 19:46.49 | syee_ | pommedvs, thanks pal |
| 19:47.05 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: so lenovo just supports the best flat out? |
| 19:47.06 | syee_ | its an ati hd 3200 here is the lspci result |
| 19:47.15 | mtn | fruitFly: zareason |
| 19:47.17 | pommedvs | syee_, got it from unstable |
| 19:47.20 | syee_ | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780M/RS780MN [Mobility Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] |
| 19:47.21 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: thinkpad T or X or W series is the best yes |
| 19:47.26 | syee_ | ok so how do i do it? |
| 19:47.33 | Nik05 | hey, someone know how to display 2 subtitles at once in mplayer, mplayer2 or mpv? |
| 19:47.39 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: what about a y410p? |
| 19:47.39 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: I'd suggest you get a used one from business leasing returns |
| 19:47.52 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: link? |
| 19:47.56 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: or if you are a student, get one this way |
| 19:48.06 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: I only have german links, no USians |
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| 19:48.26 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: i'm not, i'm trying to get at least an i7 though |
| 19:48.35 | syee_ | pommedvs, how do i upgrade o the 2.0 unstable? |
| 19:48.36 | mumpitze1 | and no, ideapad is not as good. thinkpads are a lot sturdier, use all intel wlan and ethernet, have great driver support, etc |
| 19:48.46 | fruitFly | mtn: for kden live video editing, programming |
| 19:49.04 | mtn | fruitFly: zareason computers come with debian preinstalled |
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| 19:49.13 | pommedvs | syee_, i don't know if it is good thing to do.. you may ask others.. personnaly... i have put unstable on source.list and adjusted preferences to avoid getting all from unstable |
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| 19:49.57 | syee_ | pommedvs, alternative way? |
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| 19:50.30 | greycat | You should be getting backports, not mixing stable and unstable binary packages. |
| 19:50.46 | pommedvs | syee_, get the package itself and try to install.. if it doesn't need dependencies.. or only a few.. well to do it by hand.. |
| 19:50.55 | greycat | !backports |
| 19:50.56 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 19:51.10 | pommedvs | syee_, see greycat comment.. better informed.. ;-) then me |
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| 19:51.33 | syee_ | im using backports for eveyrthing |
| 19:51.50 | syee_ | a freind set it up... im really new to this |
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| 19:52.37 | pommedvs | syee_, play with "unstable" .. will once mean, at least once.. a fully broken system, to reinstall ;-) :) |
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| 19:52.56 | gcfopswb | Hello |
| 19:53.12 | gcfopswb | my debian will not boot from external hd for some reason |
| 19:53.21 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: what do you want to use the laptop for? cause running it at 100% for a long time generally kills laptops. especially all consumer ones |
| 19:53.42 | gcfopswb | It boots from a cd though, so what I did was.. I copied the exact files from that cd to my external hd and it still would not boot |
| 19:53.42 | syee_ | i dont think people who use linux have straight answers |
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| 19:54.28 | mtn | syee_: it is usually the questions that aren't straight ;) |
| 19:54.34 | babilen | pommedvs: Mixing stable with anything but backports is a very bad idea. I really wouldn't recommend it. |
| 19:54.36 | brian32 | gcfopswb you have to install it to your ext harddrive |
| 19:54.44 | brian32 | gcfopswb not just copy it |
| 19:55.17 | gcfopswb | why cant I copy the live cd files to the external hd so that it can boot directly from there? |
| 19:55.28 | pommedvs | babilen, that's why i said he should ask others.. personaly i live with it since years.. but.. well i don't think i could claim i am newbie |
| 19:55.29 | brian32 | no bootloader |
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| 19:55.42 | gcfopswb | oh |
| 19:55.44 | syee_ | i didnt mean to be a jerk by saying that. but you know, its just how it is. |
| 19:55.45 | gcfopswb | I am using Tails |
| 19:55.59 | brian32 | gcfopswb 1 there is no boot loader 2 its most likely not the correct file system for linux/debian |
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| 19:56.06 | pommedvs | syee_, see my setup on flood channel |
| 19:56.21 | mtn | syee_: computers aren't simple and many questions can be answered more than one way. lots of ways to do some things. |
| 19:56.22 | syee_ | i dont know what that means pommedvs |
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| 19:56.37 | pommedvs | syee_, on #flood |
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| 19:56.43 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: I want to do moderate video editing in Kdenlive (i think HD4000 is fine), and moderate reading and programming, not too heavy on multimedia. I'm trying to save money as well, please what do you think of the y410p it has intel wlan and I can get it for $800, I'm not sure where to find cheap high performant think pads, any ideas? what about a sager?: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y410p/?sb=:000001C9:0 |
| 19:56.57 | gcfopswb | brian32: so I make it a ext4 partition you mean? |
| 19:57.07 | babilen | pommedvs: #flood isn't really used that often these days and I'd recommend using a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net -- that being said: please don't encourage people to mix stable with testing and/or unstable. |
| 19:57.08 | gcfopswb | currently it is ntfs |
| 19:57.09 | musca | !tell gcfopswb about tails |
| 19:57.42 | syee_ | flood channel may not be used but its nice to be able to copy and paste massive bits of shit.... am i right? |
| 19:58.09 | brian32 | gcfopswb run the installer with the ext harddrive plugged in and make that the root partition. |
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| 19:58.26 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: this is a gaming laptop. you won't use a HD4000 but pay an expensive GT755M. you also have a very slow harddisk which is not suited for video editing |
| 19:58.32 | pommedvs | syee_, mix stable with unstable is not recommended.. as mentioned babilen.. and i do agree with his point of view |
| 19:58.38 | gcfopswb | there is no installer... but I am using tails, anyway thanks, there is a seperate room for this version |
| 19:59.25 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: so be prepared to buy at least a new harddisk |
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| 20:00.02 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: can I get an i7 thinkpad cheaper than $800? i think if anything i would possible gain editing benefit fromthe gpu and can put an ssd in later when I have the money. |
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| 20:00.29 | gcfopswb | musca: thanks :) |
| 20:00.46 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: sure, but how much better is thinkpad support really to that i7 y410p? and can i get it in an i7 and for less than $800? if so any ideas where? |
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| 20:00.53 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: probably not. and I very much doubt the GPU will help in any way at all, certainly not in debian. it's an optimus laptop which will cause its own headache |
| 20:01.28 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: cause it's own headache? couldn't i turn it off? |
| 20:01.39 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: will it just not work in debian? |
| 20:01.58 | mumpitze1 | it might give you a black screen in Xorg |
| 20:02.44 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: ok, so just don't get a GPU then? |
| 20:03.21 | syee_ | get a fucking desktop |
| 20:04.23 | babilen | eyes syee_ |
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| 20:05.38 | syee_ | are swear words not allowed? |
| 20:05.39 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: if you absolutely must have a thinkpad laptop for editing, buy a W530. accept no substitutes. |
| 20:05.43 | jelly-home | er... that's an ideapad != thinkpad |
| 20:05.45 | SineTheCreator | otherwise, build a desktop |
| 20:05.46 | SineTheCreator | case closed |
| 20:05.57 | mumpitze1 | jelly-home: yes, but the ideapad is cheap... |
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| 20:06.14 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: probably outside his budget |
| 20:06.26 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: well, you get what you pay for |
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| 20:06.33 | SineTheCreator | they start at $1300 for a reason |
| 20:06.38 | syee_ | 800$ is a huge budget even for a mini itx or micro system |
| 20:06.39 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: it is |
| 20:06.46 | SineTheCreator | syee_: lolwut |
| 20:06.50 | SineTheCreator | no, it isn't |
| 20:07.03 | syee_ | ok |
| 20:07.08 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: for a uATX desktop it'S fairly high |
| 20:07.20 | mumpitze1 | especially since he doesn't want/need a videocard |
| 20:07.24 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: for a uATX desktop that can do web browsing and that's about it, sure. |
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| 20:07.37 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: wait, he doesn't want a GPU? |
| 20:07.38 | pirret | lol |
| 20:07.41 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: for webbrowsing only you need 300-400 tops |
| 20:07.44 | SineTheCreator | and this guy wants to do video editing? |
| 20:07.57 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: which software uses the GPU? |
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| 20:08.06 | jelly-home | mumpitze1: sure, but it's not the right brand. At the very least I don't see a trackpoint |
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| 20:08.09 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: um, all of them? lol. cuda/openCL |
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| 20:08.16 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: syee_ mumpitze1 the question is where can I get a refurb or one that was used for business leasing? what about the E531? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/edge-series/e531/?sb=:00000025:0000366E:#techspecs |
| 20:08.19 | mumpitze1 | jelly-home: clitmouse! |
| 20:08.27 | jelly-home | s/mouse// |
| 20:08.32 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: which one, please be specific |
| 20:08.33 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: what, exactly, are you trying to do? |
| 20:08.39 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: ALL OF THEM. |
| 20:08.52 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: I cannot buy "all of them": please name a name! |
| 20:08.54 | SineTheCreator | i don't need to be specific when EVERY DECENT VIDEO EDITOR uses cuda and/or opemC: |
| 20:08.57 | SineTheCreator | openCL* |
| 20:09.09 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: you are wong. please stop until you learn in which channel you are |
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| 20:09.26 | SineTheCreator | ahh, you mean linux video editors (so lightworks) |
| 20:09.33 | SineTheCreator | yeah, that one also uses Cuda and openCL |
| 20:09.37 | SineTheCreator | have fun |
| 20:09.39 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: you ahve no clue. please read the backlog |
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| 20:09.52 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: moderately edit videos but from what i've read Kden live hardly takes advantage of a GPU at all, and that HD400 would suffice, only certain few plugins use a gpu, and mumpitze1 said that the nvidia GPu in the y410p (i7 gt 755M) might black scree xorg |
| 20:10.05 | SineTheCreator | what the hell is kdenlive? |
| 20:10.23 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: just stop. do yourself (and us too) a favour. please |
| 20:10.46 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: any video editor that doesn't take advantage of a GPU is not a real video editor. have fun with 2+ hour encode times and laggy transitions. |
| 20:10.57 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: google kdenlive |
| 20:11.12 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: processor is the bottle neck |
| 20:11.37 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: yes, because it doesn't make use of cuda or openCL |
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| 20:11.42 | SineTheCreator | which means it's crap |
| 20:11.44 | SineTheCreator | but k |
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| 20:12.25 | pirret | but it is free like debian |
| 20:12.34 | pirret | which is crap too (on desktop) :) |
| 20:12.35 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: anyways, i'm not making movie productions or heavy rendering so i don't need more |
| 20:12.54 | SineTheCreator | http://www.lwks.com/ |
| 20:13.06 | SineTheCreator | pirret: debian isn't crap, it's fantastic |
| 20:13.14 | pirret | crap it is on desktop use :) |
| 20:13.18 | pirret | like any linux dist |
| 20:13.24 | pirret | but i wont go any further with this ;) |
| 20:13.26 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: gotcha. what kind of videos are you editing exactly? and how often, you think? |
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| 20:13.59 | SineTheCreator | pirret: i am running debian 7 + trinity desktop on my netbook (hp mini 110) and it's fantastic |
| 20:14.05 | SineTheCreator | it's fast as hell and everything works |
| 20:14.15 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: i just want to market my work with maybe some basic effects, a few times a week nothing crazy |
| 20:14.19 | pirret | good for you :) |
| 20:14.21 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: and to prgram |
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| 20:14.22 | SineTheCreator | and it's not ass-ugly |
| 20:14.40 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: so are you a game designer, or..? |
| 20:14.57 | SineTheCreator | (and if so, want a job?) :D |
| 20:15.01 | olf-folks | GNOME is not ugly :.( |
| 20:15.12 | SineTheCreator | we need a C# and/or lua programmer |
| 20:15.21 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: no, food forest designer and sustainable community builder |
| 20:15.23 | fruitFly | for brief |
| 20:15.25 | SineTheCreator | olf-folks: no, but it's slow as molasses |
| 20:15.55 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: ok. in that case something like kdenlive would probably be fine for you, but then again, so would windows live movie maker or imovie |
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| 20:16.14 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: is it essential that I don't get an nvidia gpu inorder to not crash debian 7.2? |
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| 20:16.50 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: they still don't have some of the effects i plan on using, i think kdenlive is more powerful than you think |
| 20:17.25 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: optimus is a crapshoot. it can work just fine |
| 20:17.48 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: perhaps. i haven't tried it out, i should sometime |
| 20:18.03 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: and if it doesn't couldn't i just disable it? |
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| 20:18.18 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: i use vegas pro and final cut pro X :D |
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| 20:18.51 | SineTheCreator | ahh, the optimus drivers |
| 20:18.54 | syee_ | if i wanted to make an exact clone of the current hard drive, for a milestone what do i do |
| 20:19.02 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: whatever you get, don't get something with an optimus for linux |
| 20:19.06 | SineTheCreator | you're going to hate life |
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| 20:19.15 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: sometimes yes, sometimes no. depends on the hardware. usually yes but not a given. you need to google the specific laptop beforehand |
| 20:19.16 | syee_ | it has taken 3 days to get my system the way i like it. i wanted to make an exact clone of this hdd onto a usb |
| 20:19.21 | SineTheCreator | get something with a dedicated GPU if you can, but not optimus |
| 20:19.42 | SineTheCreator | syee_: clonezilla |
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| 20:19.57 | SineTheCreator | download the iso, boot the live, and clone away |
| 20:20.02 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: all nvidia based laptops are optimus nowadays. and SineTheCreator is wrong: with a good one (like a thinkpad again...) it will work fine. with consumer laptops it's a crapshoot |
| 20:20.26 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: who says you have to go nvidia? |
| 20:20.32 | SineTheCreator | ati works fine in linux these days |
| 20:21.43 | SineTheCreator | in fact, for a laptop i'd almost say amd is a safer bet (because optimus) |
| 20:21.45 | mumpitze1 | less choice, nvidia has better hardware (power!) recently and the softwaresupport is a lot lower if you actually want a videocard |
| 20:21.50 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: is it a crapshoot with this y410p ideapad? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y410p/?sb=:000001C9:0000ED9C: I'm just a noob but I imagine it and the thinkpads must be pretty similar in support? please school me. I'm just trying to get a stronger processor. |
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| 20:22.15 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: no they are not similar. a thinkpad has a hardware mux, consumer laptops don't |
| 20:22.16 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: y410p has an i74700MQ for $800 |
| 20:22.24 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: mux? |
| 20:22.28 | syee_ | SineTheCreator, the clonezilla will that make a bootable usb device? |
| 20:22.34 | SineTheCreator | yeah, get a thinkpad |
| 20:22.37 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: and without a videocard you can get this i7 4700MQ for probabvly even less |
| 20:22.50 | SineTheCreator | syee_: bootable? probably not. you want some other too |
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| 20:22.52 | SineTheCreator | tool* |
| 20:22.52 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: where? I see no where |
| 20:23.00 | SineTheCreator | clonezilla will just make a backup image of your drive |
| 20:23.08 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: a multiplexer, a kind of mixer basically |
| 20:23.10 | pirret | syee_: clonezilla will make an image of your hard driver/påatition |
| 20:23.13 | SineTheCreator | i don't recall if it makes bootable images |
| 20:23.14 | pirret | partition |
| 20:24.02 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: ok so what if I don't get a thinkpad but an idea pad or something and NO GPU, what issues may I run into? |
| 20:24.15 | syee_ | i need to it clone the drive will all partitions all grub menus and all mbr. A complete clone. also i need it to be able to boot off a thumb drive fora full system restore |
| 20:24.27 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: Lenovo IdeaPad U330p |
| 20:24.45 | pirret | clonezilla will make full image of your hard drive, and you can restore it using clonezilla |
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| 20:24.50 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: honestly, thinkpads are a pretty safe bet for linux. in general. |
| 20:24.52 | SineTheCreator | they always have been |
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| 20:25.08 | SineTheCreator | again ... get a thinkpad :D |
| 20:25.56 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: haswell i7 are just coming out lately which means they are still pricy and not a big selection. how soon do you need this laptop? |
| 20:26.08 | SineTheCreator | syee_: i guess you could use clonezilla to do a block-copy |
| 20:26.12 | mumpitze1 | for example, thinkpads with haswell are just coming out, often you can't buy them yet |
| 20:26.16 | syee_ | so after i've used clone zilla how would i install the iso. just put that iso on a unetbootin drive? |
| 20:26.30 | mumpitze1 | but due to AVX2 and FMA, a haswell cpu would be good for your videoediting |
| 20:26.34 | pirret | it is not making an iso |
| 20:26.44 | pirret | it makes an image you can restore with clonezilla |
| 20:26.48 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: there is that, yeah. but haswells only practical advantage is better efficiency/battery life. |
| 20:26.48 | mumpitze1 | syee_: never use debian isos with unetbootin. it will not work |
| 20:27.02 | SineTheCreator | if this thing is gonna be plugged in 99% of the time, he shouldn't wait for a haswell |
| 20:27.15 | syee_ | what do u mean it doesnt work it worked for the current debian os im using now |
| 20:27.23 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: i was trying to get it sooner rather than later, but I think I can wait some weeks, maybe even up until black friday |
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| 20:28.05 | SineTheCreator | avx2 and FMA would help if he was using lightworks or avid media composer or some other pro-grade tool |
| 20:28.20 | pirret | anyway, you can make bootable clonezilla usb stick, boot clonezilla from it, make your hard drive clone and save it to that usb stick (if enough space) and later when needed boot that same stick and restore the image |
| 20:28.27 | SineTheCreator | i dunno if it'd give him any noticeable improvement in something like kdenlive |
| 20:28.46 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: that 330 would be nice if it had an i7 |
| 20:28.52 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: then I would wait until then |
| 20:29.04 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: you don't absolutely NEED an i7 to do video editing. seriously. |
| 20:29.05 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: it has here. but different models in different countries :( |
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| 20:29.15 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: the y410p is not available in .de for example |
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| 20:29.24 | SineTheCreator | one of my editing rigs has an i3-530 @ 3.53ghz, it runs FCPX just fine |
| 20:29.40 | SineTheCreator | encode speeds are still fast because that rig has an ATI 5850 |
| 20:29.44 | SineTheCreator | it uses openCL to accelerate |
| 20:30.02 | jelly-home | that poor overclocked i3 thing |
| 20:30.06 | SineTheCreator | jelly-home: works fine |
| 20:30.18 | SineTheCreator | for a $114 CPU, it's been a fantastic purchase |
| 20:30.40 | SineTheCreator | it's been going strong for 4+ years on a good air cooler |
| 20:31.10 | SineTheCreator | my only point was that he could 'downgrade' to a decent i5 and still do well |
| 20:31.13 | jelly-home | got a i5-660 for $60 for aesni, and the i3 is sitting in the desk |
| 20:31.21 | SineTheCreator | jelly-home: nice deal |
| 20:31.27 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: do you think new thinkpads will come out in 2-3 weeks? i am running deb on a pentium with .5 gig lol, not sure how much longer i can hold out lol |
| 20:32.02 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: i5, i7, it won't make THAT much difference in all honesty |
| 20:32.11 | jelly-home | SineTheCreator: yes, I'm not sure just how faster sandy/ivybridge or haswell are, this is still good enough for me |
| 20:32.18 | SineTheCreator | you're going to be cpu-bound with kdenlive but it'll still be perfectly useable |
| 20:32.25 | SineTheCreator | encode times will suffer a litle |
| 20:32.29 | SineTheCreator | little* |
| 20:32.40 | Lady_Aleena | LoRez, I think I have the annoyance turned off now. |
| 20:32.48 | syee_ | cool seems to be the programme for me |
| 20:32.58 | jelly-home | gives Lady_Aleena a cookie |
| 20:32.59 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: i think ur probably right, but i don't know how mucht hey'll suffer, but i might take ur advice and go with an i5 we'll see |
| 20:33.09 | SineTheCreator | jelly-home: well, ivy/sandy are quite nice, haswell's major improvement is efficiency (battery life) |
| 20:33.10 | Lady_Aleena | COOKIE! |
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| 20:33.22 | mumpitze1 | fruitFly: they already are out, and trickling into the channel. but: you will not see one on sale at black friday and you won't be able to buy one for 800$ with a i7 either :) |
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| 20:33.35 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: you won't suffer much if you go with a DECENT i5 over waiting for a haswell i7 |
| 20:33.41 | jelly-home | nom may now commence |
| 20:33.52 | SineTheCreator | and yes, no haswell laptop is going to be $800 anytime soon |
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| 20:34.32 | mumpitze1 | SineTheCreator: he already has linked a haswell i7 laptop at 800$ |
| 20:34.34 | SineTheCreator | it's too bad you can't just build a desktop for this fruitFly |
| 20:34.45 | SineTheCreator | mumpitze1: woah, really? which one? |
| 20:34.52 | mumpitze1 | the y410p |
| 20:34.57 | SineTheCreator | D: |
| 20:35.21 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: SineTheCreator what do you think of this thinkpad? especially compared to the i5 4200U? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/edge-series/e531/?sb=:00000025:0000366E:#techspecs |
| 20:35.24 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: so, is it a requirement that this machine be a laptop? |
| 20:35.37 | hifire | hi guys, i've got a debian 6 system, and i'd like to use a newer php package, can i get some direction on how to go about replacing the version officially supported by squeeze? |
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| 20:35.48 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: yes, i want to be able to edit remotely |
| 20:36.02 | greycat | hifire: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:36.24 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: keep in mind that machine STARTS at a core i3. by the time you go to an i5 or i7 it'll probably be over $800 |
| 20:36.39 | mumpitze1 | hifire: why can't you upgrade to a newer debian version? wheezy is stable and has a newer PHP |
| 20:36.53 | mumpitze1 | greycat: afaik php isn't in there |
| 20:36.53 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: but otherwise it seems like a fairly standard business laptop. |
| 20:36.55 | mumpitze1 | ,v php5 |
| 20:36.56 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; jessie: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.5+dfsg-1 |
| 20:37.14 | mumpitze1 | hifire: with debian wheezy you get 5.4.4 |
| 20:37.17 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: it didn't get very good reviews |
| 20:37.37 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: yeah, haven't read them yet |
| 20:37.48 | hifire | greycat, mumpitze: thx |
| 20:37.51 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: so $800 is your absolute max budget, right? |
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| 20:39.08 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: no, but I am really trying to save and I just saw the y410p i7 haswell 4700MQ with a GTM 755 and haswell and was like fuck I have to buy that,, and now I'm hearing it might break my wheezy7.2 mumpitze1 |
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| 20:39.37 | fruitFly | SineTheCreator: mumpitze1 could I just take the graphics card out? |
| 20:39.40 | hifire | greycat, mumpitze: if i wanted to upgrade to the lastest in the 5.3 branch, i'd likely have to role my own? |
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| 20:39.59 | SineTheCreator | fruitFly: of a laptop? no. |
| 20:40.13 | greycat | hifire: sounds like it. |
| 20:40.21 | SineTheCreator | i seriously doubt a consumer laptop would come with a mini-pci-e gpu |
| 20:41.12 | mumpitze1 | hifire: yes |
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| 20:42.35 | mumpitze1 | hifire: from what I remember, 5.3 is however EOL upstream. which means: unpatched security vulnerabilities. so running it is a bad idea. debian squeeze patches it until next max (2014) however. so until then it will be safe to run. after that: not anymore |
| 20:42.39 | mumpitze1 | "Please note that the PHP 5.3 series will enter an end of life cycle and receive only critical fixes as of March 2013. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.4" |
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| 20:43.03 | mumpitze1 | until next may (2014) |
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| 20:44.42 | Miesco | I cant figure out on google, how do I switch my java jre implementation? |
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| 20:44.51 | Miesco | Between ones already installed |
| 20:45.00 | Miesco | update-alternatives? |
| 20:45.19 | mumpitze1 | update-java-alternatives afaik |
| 20:45.31 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 20:46.54 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: are there any other recommended hardware branches you recommend for debian other than the thinkpad? i see you recommended the u serious? why? any other branches? any other companies? |
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| 20:48.23 | mumpitze1 | "branches"? I generally recommend business laptops cause they are built better. however they also cost a whole lot more |
| 20:48.46 | mumpitze1 | but typical consumer laptops usually die fast when you actually push the CPUs as you will with video editing |
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| 20:49.21 | syee_ | can i ask again, about the screen brightness problem im having? |
| 20:49.37 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/62850/ |
| 20:49.46 | syee_ | im using debian xfce4 gnome with the hd3200 the screen brightness was fine yesterday |
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| 20:49.55 | syee_ | but now its dim as poop. there is nothing in the gui any where |
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| 20:50.43 | jbrelin | Hey all, I ran into an interesting sort of glitch and wonder to whom it should be directed. Seems a missing dependency. |
| 20:51.07 | jbrelin | Anyone? |
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| 20:51.46 | tecnico | syee_: there used to be a utility called xbacklight |
| 20:52.10 | syee_ | yeah it says no backlight screens are detected |
| 20:52.27 | syee_ | syee@David:~$ xbacklight |
| 20:52.27 | syee_ | No outputs have backlight property |
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| 20:52.59 | syee_ | i do lspci to see if my driver supports xbacklight and it does |
| 20:53.06 | tecnico | is this a laptop? no keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 20:54.14 | jordilopezamat | dear #debian community |
| 20:54.24 | syee_ | when i unplug the ac cord it goes full brightness, i plugg it back in and bam dim screen |
| 20:54.34 | mumpitze1 | syee_: how does lspci tell you if xbacklight is supported? |
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| 20:54.44 | pirret | thats old bug |
| 20:54.53 | pirret | ubuntu eventually got it fixed after years |
| 20:55.01 | pirret | dunno waht was the problem |
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| 20:55.36 | jordilopezamat | my iceweasel (Wheezy) has just crashed ... how can i have a look at the relevant logs and/or report the issue ? thanks |
| 20:55.36 | Dirkos | What is happening if my tab key wont autocomplete things but adds a tab? |
| 20:55.39 | syee_ | erm |
| 20:55.41 | Dirkos | same for the home/end buttons etc |
| 20:55.55 | syee_ | im using debian the fn button is physically broken |
| 20:56.07 | greycat | Dirkos: most likely you're not in bash any more, or you're not actually typing at a shell prompt (rather, some other program's prompt) |
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| 20:56.34 | tecnico | syee_: it sounds like a setting on the power manager for your desktop environment |
| 20:56.34 | Dirkos | greycat: yes i am.. could it has something todo with $TERM? |
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| 20:56.43 | greycat | $TERM would not affect tab |
| 20:56.50 | greycat | (it could break home/end though) |
| 20:57.10 | Dirkos | well $TERM gives met xterm as response |
| 20:57.16 | Dirkos | im in the bash console via putty |
| 20:57.35 | Dirkos | so any tips would be welcome on how to fix this haha |
| 20:57.47 | greycat | what does ps -p $$ say? |
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| 20:58.40 | syee_ | syee@David:~$ ps -p $$ |
| 20:58.40 | syee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.40 | syee_ | 16391 pts/1 00:00:00 bash |
| 20:58.59 | Dirkos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.06 | greycat | Dirkos: sh is not bash. Try "exec bash". |
| 20:59.26 | Dirkos | greycat: ah ok, is there a way todo that automaticly on login? |
| 20:59.32 | syee_ | tecnico, i've got thingy ma jiggy xfce4 power management but its version 1.0 i know the 2.0 vesion has the option |
| 20:59.40 | greycat | Dirkos: chsh if you think your shell accidentally got changed from bash to sh |
| 21:00.04 | Dirkos | greycat: its a brand new installed image in azure so i havent done it myself |
| 21:00.27 | Andrevan | chsh to zsh while you're at it |
| 21:00.34 | greycat | an installed image... of what? |
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| 21:01.04 | Dirkos | greycat: yep, an installed image from debian itself |
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| 21:01.23 | Dirkos | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/WindowsAzureImage |
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| 21:02.26 | greycat | I don't know anything about azure. If your shell is set to /bin/sh then change it to whatever you want. |
| 21:02.27 | syee_ | sad face |
| 21:02.27 | abrotman | bbtech: did you try newer kernel/firmware? |
| 21:03.37 | bbtech | abrotman, I believe I did before reinstalling the entire OS |
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| 21:04.04 | mumpitze1 | (lastlog syee_ |
| 21:04.14 | bbtech | abrotman, I already ordered the intel card. Internet needs to be stable. |
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| 21:04.37 | syee_ | mumpitze1, sorry? last log? |
| 21:04.39 | mumpitze1 | bbtech: this is for a laptop? |
| 21:04.48 | bbtech | mumpitze1, nope, desktop |
| 21:04.49 | mumpitze1 | syee_: ignore it |
| 21:04.55 | abrotman | bbtech: okay |
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| 21:05.08 | Dirkos | greycat: thnx for the help |
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| 21:13.53 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: SineTheCreator what do you guys think about this thinkpad? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/edge-series/e431/?sb=:00000025:0000365F: |
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| 21:15.38 | fruitFly | mumpitze1: And is there anything else that compares to thinkpad in terms of linux compatibility, I'm running it on this pentium 4 just fine, I ran it on this asus here just fine (except for with 1 access point but asus uses bullshit wlan firmware), what could go wrong if I don't get a thinkpad, please could you give me some examples? |
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| 21:17.51 | sjamaan | fruitFly: I hear that Samsung has some machines, and even has its own Linux distro that it puts on them |
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| 21:18.59 | fruitFly | sjamaan: thanks, I'm looking for an i7 with at least HD 4000 graphics, what do you think of this machine and it's support for debian? http://www.cowboom.com/product/1332628 |
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| 21:20.06 | sjamaan | No clue really, I just heard that Samsung has some machines with good support |
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| 21:20.26 | sjamaan | Ideally they'd let you boot a live CD in the store before you buy |
| 21:20.37 | sjamaan | But I don't know any places that allow you to do that |
| 21:20.43 | sjamaan | Perhaps a specialised small store |
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| 21:21.28 | Th0masR0ss | how about a store that sells computers with debian pre installed! |
| 21:21.34 | syee_ | http://manned.org/radeontool/076d4b00 |
| 21:21.37 | syee_ | will that help me? |
| 21:21.41 | dgirl | hi im having trouble with replication on pgpool2... ive 3 servers 1: it has a postgresql db and pgpool on it; 2: it has only postgresql; 3: it has only postgresql; the problem is that when i do an insert through pgpool's port it inserts only on the servers #2 and #3 but not in the localhost server #1 |
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| 21:22.20 | sjamaan | dgirl: Try #postgresql; this sounds more like a specific application issue |
| 21:22.33 | dgirl | ty |
| 21:22.36 | sjamaan | In my experience it's a friendly channel, with some very clueful people |
| 21:23.16 | cafuego | fruitFly: I hear that Zareason are working on new machines. |
| 21:23.17 | sjamaan | Th0masR0ss: That would be even better, but I've yet to come across one |
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| 21:24.40 | fruitFly | cafuego: yeah, new machines like what? when to release? |
| 21:25.28 | Th0masR0ss | sjamaan: yeah, that would be cool |
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| 21:26.18 | fruitFly | cafuego: sjamaan mumpitze1 what about a clevo/sager? howis their linux support? That's who system76 get their laptops from |
| 21:26.20 | sjamaan | There're some webshops that sell Debian preloaded |
| 21:26.20 | cafuego | fruitFly: *that* I don't know... I thought I saw a friend tweet at them and geta repoly the other day, but I can't find thsoe tweets now :-/ |
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| 21:26.42 | cafuego | I have no idea what clevo/sager or system76 are |
| 21:26.46 | av0idz | damn i just got an no vhost , and well it seems like deb64 wheezy is installed |
| 21:26.52 | sjamaan | hm, I only heard about system76 a short while ago, apparently they're supposed to be pretty good stuff |
| 21:26.53 | av0idz | but also are many i386 packages installed ? |
| 21:27.03 | sjamaan | But isn't it expensive like Lenovo? |
| 21:27.04 | av0idz | how can i determine if i run multiarch |
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| 21:27.59 | tremon | av0idz: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 21:28.16 | fruitFly | sjamaan: but you get better specs, eg. $730 gets you a haswell i74700MQ and a 1080p screen with intelhd 4600 |
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| 21:28.24 | av0idz | well thanks tremon this command returns nothing :) |
| 21:28.28 | av0idz | so no arch specified ? |
| 21:28.59 | sjamaan | fruitFly: That's not too shabby! |
| 21:29.05 | tremon | then you're not running multiarch. dpkg --print-architecture will give you the default (system) architecture. |
| 21:29.09 | fruitFly | sjamaan: $50 more for IPS |
| 21:29.17 | sjamaan | What about the weight? |
| 21:29.24 | fruitFly | 5.5 lbs |
| 21:29.31 | sjamaan | I went for lenovo because of hardware support and being pretty damn lightweight |
| 21:29.38 | fruitFly | sjamaan: backlit keyboard, *Gb |
| 21:29.38 | av0idz | its amd64 as thought, but well why do i have so many i386 packages installed |
| 21:29.45 | fruitFly | sjamaan: 8GB |
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| 21:30.44 | tremon | av0idz: either you installed them manually, or you have an old ia32-libs package installed from before multiarch (ie squeeze). The upgrade to wheezy does not automatically replace it with the multiarch version iirc |
| 21:30.46 | sjamaan | That's almost twice as heavy as the X230 :/ |
| 21:31.52 | DANtheBEASTman | hi guys, this probably isn't the best place to ask but I'm kind of at a loss. I'm using infinality and it's only working with certain sections of websites. http://dan.bagelbox.org/pictures/infinality.png any ideas what might be causing this? |
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| 21:32.31 | av0idz | okay so this vps got installed a few hours ago, just fresh amd64 wheezy, i just logged in and my apt sources just shows wheezy |
| 21:32.44 | fruitFly | sjamaan: actully it's like $760 with $Gb but there's tons of options: http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-clevo-sager-notebooks-ct-95_51_162.html |
| 21:33.22 | av0idz | how can i remove the i386 libs |
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| 21:33.26 | DANtheBEASTman | av0idz: so edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:33.27 | av0idz | and other stuff from this arch |
| 21:33.49 | sjamaan | fruitFly: Also check out BTO; that's supposed to be good, too |
| 21:33.55 | av0idz | http://pastebin.com/KwizdkrY |
| 21:33.58 | av0idz | thats my sources list |
| 21:34.03 | av0idz | just 2 lines showing wheezy |
| 21:34.05 | Guest19576544 | #programming |
| 21:34.11 | tremon | av0idz: some vps providers are "helpful" that way. Did you do the install yourself? |
| 21:34.15 | Guest19576544 | urgghhh ignore me |
| 21:34.15 | DANtheBEASTman | av0idz: here's mine http://sprunge.us/LNhS |
| 21:34.37 | DANtheBEASTman | you can curl http://sprunge.us/LNhS | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:35.00 | av0idz | well i just used the control panel of my vps manager, i did that on other providers a lot of times... just plain install |
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| 21:35.20 | Guest62209 | i want to know that do i need start learn ubuntu before come to debian? because after install debian i found that ecery thing are now working. is hard to me |
| 21:35.33 | cafuego | "We ship internationally, but we won't tell you what it costs" |
| 21:35.33 | tremon | av0idz: use dpkg -S on the libs you don't want/need. Hopefully it will give you a package name to remove |
| 21:35.38 | cafuego | Sooo helpful. |
| 21:35.51 | av0idz | okay i will try |
| 21:35.54 | fruitFly | sjamaan: BTO? |
| 21:36.54 | sjamaan | bto.eu |
| 21:37.01 | sjamaan | But that's just in the Netherlands and Belgium |
| 21:37.17 | sjamaan | I forget what brand they assemble their stuff from |
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| 21:37.56 | sjamaan | BTO stands for Built To Order in general terms, I guess (but these guys use it as their company name, to confuse matters) |
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| 21:44.16 | av0idz | hmm i even cant dpkg-reconfigure gcc-4.7-base |
| 21:44.19 | av0idz | i get the error |
| 21:44.22 | av0idz | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gcc-4.7-base is not installed |
| 21:44.43 | av0idz | dpkg -i gives me |
| 21:44.43 | dpkg | removes a lung from av0idz and replaces it with gives me |
| 21:44.44 | av0idz | ii gcc-4.7-base:i386 |
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| 21:44.53 | av0idz | and also ii gcc-4.7-base:amd64 |
| 21:45.28 | av0idz | thanks dpkg |
| 21:45.32 | av0idz | ... |
| 21:45.51 | nkuttler | av0idz: try dpkg-reconfigure gcc-4.7-base:amd64 ? |
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| 21:46.15 | tremon | av0idz: that syntax suggests that multiarch has been enabled. What does dpkg --add-architecture i386 do? |
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| 21:47.01 | av0idz | well not much it adds i386 |
| 21:47.07 | av0idz | arch no error no answer |
| 21:47.28 | tremon | and what does dpkg --print-foreign-architectures now give you? |
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| 21:47.41 | av0idz | i386 |
| 21:47.54 | tremon | good. Then at least your system is now consistent :) |
| 21:48.01 | av0idz | thanks for your help tremon |
| 21:48.28 | av0idz | okay i will though try to get rid of these i386 packages ... i dont want to use mutliarch |
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| 21:53.31 | wallbroken | hi guys |
| 21:53.35 | wallbroken | https://code.google.com/p/debian-for-alix/ |
| 21:53.38 | wallbroken | do u know? |
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| 21:55.45 | hifire | after doing a debian dist-upgrade my disk has a lot less free space, is there a way to clean up afterwards? |
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| 21:59.58 | sjamaan | hifire: Try apt-get clean |
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| 22:02.30 | av0idz | i hope i didnt mess the image |
| 22:02.33 | av0idz | i did now |
| 22:02.33 | av0idz | for i in `dpkg -l | grep i386 | awk '$1 { printf "%s\n", $2}'`; do apt-get -y --purge remove $i; done |
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| 22:02.59 | hifire | sjamaan: thanks for the space |
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| 22:03.17 | sjamaan | space? |
| 22:03.22 | hifire | disk space |
| 22:03.24 | sjamaan | ah :) |
| 22:03.25 | sjamaan | yw |
| 22:03.49 | cafuego | That command should be modulo "I know why the system installed these and I know I can purge them." |
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| 22:04.24 | av0idz | lol i dont know why these were installed :) |
| 22:04.38 | av0idz | but now i was able to remove archi386 |
| 22:04.50 | av0idz | so hopefully dpkg-reconfigure --all will now do its job :) |
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| 22:16.15 | bt6 | For some reason, some characters on my system show up incorrectly. Previously all "n"s were showing as "u"s, and after I restarted my computer to temporarily fix it, 1's eventually started showing as 7's. Can anyone help me find out what's wrong? |
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| 22:16.58 | buu | Hrm. If I wanted to move a working installed debian system to a new drive, could I just install the new drive in the system and do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb; then unplug sda and reboot? |
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| 22:17.49 | fale | I'm facing an exim delivery problem due to the absence of the IPv6 PTR record. How can I unserstand which of the 19+M IPv6 address I'm using to set on in the PTR record? |
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| 22:18.24 | abrotman | buu: not really |
| 22:18.35 | abrotman | i mean, you can, but it won't work as expected |
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| 22:20.55 | tremon | buu: theoretically, yes. But depending on how full your drive is, you're wasting a lot of bandwidth on unused space. Usually recreating partitions and using tar/cpio/rsync is faster, but that does require more work (i.e. reinstalling boot loader, changing uuid's in fstab, probably more) |
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| 22:22.56 | olf-folks | pommedvs still around? |
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| 22:26.17 | doebi | i disabled login for root on my server, but my backup script (using rsync) needs root access to fetch data from /home. any suggestions? |
| 22:27.00 | serverhorror | doebi: either with ssh and forced-commands-only or sudo. either option is fine (to me, your requirements might be different) |
| 22:27.49 | bezaban | passwordless sudo is one, group access to home directories is another, read access (as default) to home directories is yet another |
| 22:28.16 | themill | It's not obvious to me how you're going to use rsync and sudo together like that |
| 22:28.17 | bezaban | key authenticated certain commands only (as mentioned) |
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| 22:28.38 | doebi | themill: me neither |
| 22:28.39 | serverhorror | themill: -rsh "sudo rsync" |
| 22:28.58 | bezaban | or run a cron job as root, move backups to some directory, then move out as another user |
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| 22:29.09 | themill | serverhorror: that runs on the client; privs need to be obtained on the server |
| 22:29.22 | bezaban | last is as I do on a few sysetms |
| 22:29.40 | doebi | bezaban: i thought of that in first place, i wont even need rsync for that |
| 22:29.55 | serverhorror | themill: nope it runs on the server. rsync --rsh="sudo rsync" remote: ./thebackupdir/ will do sudo rsync on the remote |
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| 22:30.37 | daniel-s_ | Hey, is there a document, or a book, that describes in overall terms the design of the GNU/Linux system? |
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| 22:30.55 | daniel-s_ | I mean, not just the kernel, but the main userspace tools as well? |
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| 22:31.07 | daniel-s_ | i.e. initd, the C libraries, etc. ? |
| 22:31.10 | themill | serverhorror: --rsh changes the transport layer. If you change the transport layer to sudo, you no longer have a transport layer |
| 22:31.19 | serverhorror | daniel-s_: only distribution specific |
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| 22:32.10 | cafuego | serverhorror: rsync root@host:/some/dir |
| 22:32.29 | bezaban | doebi: I use rdiff-backup to create backups to a local directory, then handle moving compressed archives of it to a remote location separately |
| 22:32.40 | cafuego | serverhorror: You can apply the appropriate key limitations and/or a wrapper that prevents other commands from running with that key. |
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| 22:32.56 | bezaban | incremental ones too |
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| 22:34.21 | bezaban | there are many different ways of solving this task. |
| 22:34.21 | serverhorror | cafuego: serverhorror: doebi: either with ssh and forced-commands-only or sudo. either option is fine (to me, your requirements might be different) |
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| 22:35.53 | serverhorror | doebi: rsync(1) -- >>-e, --rsh=COMMAND specify the remote shell to use<< I'm tempted to paste a gist, but then again I'm too lazy for that right now :) |
| 22:36.31 | themill | serverhorror: have you actually tried this or are you just interpreting the man page? |
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| 22:37.01 | doebi | serverhorror: this would still reqire to write the root pass in the script, right? |
| 22:37.03 | serverhorror | themill: we used to do it a few years back to rsync openvz roots |
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| 22:37.23 | doebi | my current idea is to just give another acc at least read access |
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| 22:37.36 | serverhorror | doebi: not if you have something like NOPASSWD: rsync in your shudders file |
| 22:37.41 | serverhorror | s/shudders/sudoers |
| 22:37.48 | serverhorror | damn auto correction |
| 22:38.03 | bezaban | plain rsync is unencrypted |
| 22:38.33 | themill | serverhorror: as I said, just "sudo rsync" has destroyed your transport layer. It would only now work if it were on the same host. |
| 22:38.34 | bezaban | so I would advise to do it via some secure communication or encrypt before transfer. |
| 22:39.23 | doebi | bezaban: well i use ssh |
| 22:39.31 | bezaban | doebi: good :) |
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| 22:40.30 | doebi | a dry run on rsync seems to work fine |
| 22:40.33 | serverhorror | themill: ok so it's either the shell other that other option that changes rsync behavior about where to find it on the remote side, honestly rsync is something I'd rather like to forget about. apart from one off syncs I don't want use it any more |
| 22:40.39 | doebi | no idea if it skipped fiels due to insufficient perms |
| 22:40.45 | bezaban | doebi: gather the files with a cron, use another restricted account to transfer it securely with ssh |
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| 22:41.26 | serverhorror | doebi: on a side note: how actually did you disable root login on the remote machine? |
| 22:41.47 | doebi | serverhorror: no idea |
| 22:41.53 | serverhorror | ... |
| 22:41.57 | bezaban | passwordless key authentication as root or root password in a file or remote root password auth at all is a bad idea |
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| 22:42.04 | bezaban | imho |
| 22:42.29 | serverhorror | bezaban: who suggested that? |
| 22:42.34 | bezaban | no matter what restrictions might be set I wouldn't want to be doing this as uid=0 |
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| 22:43.22 | doebi | serverhorror: sshd_conf: PermitRootLogin no |
| 22:45.09 | doebi | bezaban: when creating tars using a cron and transfering them seperately i have to transfer multiple data |
| 22:45.40 | bezaban | doebi: why not compress it all together? |
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| 22:46.08 | doebi | bezaban: i mean files which didnt change i backup each time |
| 22:46.15 | doebi | again |
| 22:46.25 | bezaban | doebi: rdiff-backup does incremental backup, so basically just replace it |
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| 22:46.28 | serverhorror | doebi: there are a few more options. Either use a dedicated backup account with a script and proper sudo rules, change the config of PermitRootLogin to forced-commands-only|no-password (or whatever the option is). either will do, all you need to achieve is to run a script with EUID of 0 (which means: you have root privileges). Of course: If you really do run backups, why not initiate them from the client Say |
| 22:46.28 | serverhorror | cron job that streams a tar ball to your backup server instead of (what you seem to imply) initiating the backup on the server... |
| 22:46.38 | bezaban | history is user defined |
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| 22:48.05 | doebi | serverhorror: your second idea cant work, cause my backup server is behind a firewall |
| 22:48.27 | bezaban | I prefer uploading an new one before removing the own, so costs some drive space, but that's cheap |
| 22:48.35 | bezaban | s/own/old* |
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| 22:49.33 | serverhorror | doebi: so use the first idea? |
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| 22:50.13 | quinso | Hello. I am using jessie. A few updates ago I had mumble installed, now it somehow disappeared. I guess it got removed during an update and I somehow missed it. Is there an easy way to restore it if it no longer exists in jessie repo? |
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| 22:50.27 | bezaban | ,version mumble |
| 22:50.28 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2 |
| 22:51.02 | bezaban | :( |
| 22:51.08 | bezaban | ,version kismet |
| 22:51.09 | judd | Package: kismet on i386 -- squeeze: 2008-05-R1-4.1+b1; wheezy-backports: 2013.03.R1b-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2013.03.R1b-2; sid: 2013.03.R1b-2 |
| 22:51.26 | abrotman | quinso: do you need it now, or you can you wait for it to normally flow from unstable to jessie? |
| 22:51.30 | bezaban | oo, in backports now |
| 22:51.41 | quinso | abrotman: I need it now |
| 22:51.49 | abrotman | quinso: try to get it from sid, good luck |
| 22:51.52 | quinso | Is there another way except building it from sid? |
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| 22:52.30 | serverhorror | quinso: if you don't have auto cleaning of packages configured it could still be in you local cache... |
| 22:52.42 | quinso | serverhorror: How do I find it there? |
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| 22:53.31 | serverhorror | quinso: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 22:54.21 | quinso | serverhorror: thanks, I installed it from there with no problems |
| 22:55.23 | serverhorror | quinso: since you have backups I'll spare you from lecturing that keeping the snapshot of this package is probably the right thing to do now :) |
| 22:55.51 | abrotman | not really |
| 22:56.12 | abrotman | it was likely removed because it was incompatible with newer packages .. that's not going to change because you have a package cache |
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| 22:56.46 | abrotman | quinso: how did it get removed before? |
| 22:56.50 | serverhorror | well she is running jessie so probably knowing what she's doing.... :) |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mumble/news/20130731T163912Z.html |
| 22:57.03 | abrotman | serverhorror: apparently not |
| 22:57.25 | quinso | abrotman: I have no idea how I got it removed |
| 22:57.48 | quinso | But I've just successfully installed it back and it didn't break any dependencies or uninstall anything. |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | quinso: seems like it will get removed again, but up to you |
| 22:58.21 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 23:05.35 | Neobenedict | hi, got this when apt-get upgrade: http://i.imgur.com/9rOzXZt.png , what do i do? |
| 23:05.40 | Neobenedict | sbc is an ssd added recently |
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| 23:06.09 | elkingrey | If I have a badass 7.1 surround sound setup for my pc, but watch movies in mp4 or avi format, will I still get the full surround sound experience? Or must I use the dvd/iso format to take full advantage of a badass audio system? |
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| 23:07.17 | Neobenedict | raid 1 |
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| 23:12.22 | Neobenedict | >segmentation fault |
| 23:12.27 | Neobenedict | i just went for #1 at the end of that shit |
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| 23:27.13 | jordanm | olf-folks: |
| 23:27.27 | olf-folks | boing :) thanks |
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| 23:31.27 | exploit-mcurran | Can anyone tell me how I can create an eternal history for history, like set a definition in bashrc that points to a log file? |
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| 23:33.07 | peterrooney | exploit-mcurran: if it is possible (and desireable), the folk in #bash would be able to answer much better. bash may not have been designed with logging in mind. |
| 23:33.26 | daveeejr | hey, upgraded to testing, from stable, recently. and the path for fontconfig is messed up. i believe. if the path is messed up, how can i fix it. if i try apt-get remove fontconfig then i am told many packages will be removed with it, same with purge. any other way to reinstall it? |
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| 23:48.46 | guampa | exploit-mcurran: maybe this serves -> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 |
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