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| 00:03.31 | acu | back in kindergarten - if more than one people use excell - only one has write - the other is warned that it opnens as readonly - is there a way to maintain that in a remote access protocol ? - ssh does not seem to care if the excel is already open, the second user can write also and create confligs |
| 00:03.47 | acu | back in kindergarten - if more than one people use excell - only one has write - the other is warned that it opnens as readonly - is there a way to maintain that in a remote access protocol ? - ssh does not seem to care if the excel is already open, the second user can write also and create conflicts |
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| 00:05.34 | abrotman | acu: what? |
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| 00:06.19 | Mr_Rocco | Hello |
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| 00:08.03 | acu | how can you share excel files accross internet so one sees readonly and one can modify it ? and both be aweare upfront - this is true when the files are samba shared |
| 00:08.14 | acu | abrotman ^^ |
| 00:08.41 | acu | so for LAN is simple, for wan - I am still not aware |
| 00:08.59 | Mr_Rocco | personally, i dont even give a fuck |
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| 00:13.37 | abrotman | acu: sounds like a question for Microsoft, not us |
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| 00:17.22 | phy1729 | acu: uh Google Docs? not a #debian question though |
| 00:18.01 | daveeejr | hey, i upgraded to testing recently and am having some path issues. some packages cannot be found even though they exist, is there anyway to run something that will clean up the paths? |
| 00:18.35 | abrotman | some path issues? |
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| 00:20.46 | daveeejr | abrotman: when i run this program called gcodeview, it reports "FTGL createFont failed: No such file or directory |
| 00:20.47 | daveeejr | " |
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| 00:21.14 | daveeejr | abrotman: https://github.com/triffid/gcodeview |
| 00:21.37 | daveeejr | abrotman: it was running fine on stable, but that error pops up now. there was a different error, but the developer helped me fix that |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | daveeejr: so it's trying to use a font tha tdoesn't exist? |
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| 00:36.07 | jbrelin | Hey all. Running Sid. Just did a dist-upgrade and gnome power settings no longer lists "lid closed" settings. What up? My netbook won't hibernate. |
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| 00:37.00 | jbrelin | Nobody? |
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| 00:43.15 | ctmjr | jbrelin, might get help here unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 00:47.37 | qrada | hey, anyone ever use apt-get -o RootDir=/... ?? I want to try and 'install into a different directory'.. som people say it's possible, but i keep getting issues with dpkg etc.. anyone have an idea? "debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installd." |
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| 00:58.21 | jbrelin | Thanks, ctmrjr . |
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| 00:59.41 | somiaj | qrada: what is the point of installing into a different directory? What is it you are trying to achive? |
| 00:59.52 | jbrelin | I can't seem to join #debian-next |
| 00:59.52 | fishcooker | how to know which grub version installed? |
| 01:00.05 | jbrelin | dpkg -l|grep grub -- fishcooker |
| 01:00.06 | dpkg | jbrelin: wish i knew |
| 01:00.09 | somiaj | jbrelin: it is on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:00.21 | jbrelin | I missed that part, somiaj . Thanks. |
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| 01:00.38 | somiaj | fishcooker: that will only tell you what version of grub you have installed via debian, it may not be the grub installed in your mbr (if you have multiple oses or put grub there from antoher source) |
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| 01:01.33 | daveeejr | abrotman: hey, sorry, got disconnected. it is probably not looking for a font that doesnt exist, but maybe? at least, it cannot find it |
| 01:01.42 | qrada | somiaj, it's just something i want to do, to be honest.. id like to set up some separate directories for certain tools and just apt-get everything into it as if it were a root directory.. i'm currently just using a 'diff' of find (before) and find (after) hehe |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | daveeejr: try as a new user |
| 01:01.59 | daveeejr | abrotman: this was my issue https://github.com/triffid/gcodeview/issues/17 |
| 01:02.13 | somiaj | qrada: sounds to me like you want to build a chroot, my suggestoin is use debootstrap and then chroot into that directory and install stuff from there. |
| 01:02.30 | fishcooker | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/62869/ |
| 01:02.31 | daveeejr | abrotman: as in logout and log in as someone else. maybe root? |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | no, a new user |
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| 01:02.52 | qrada | ya.. i just didnt want to have 'other stuff' in there.. right now im doing this inside of lxc containers so chrooted environments isn't a problem |
| 01:02.58 | somiaj | fishcooker: dpkg -l grub-pc |
| 01:03.01 | qrada | it's not critical, just figured -o RootDir might be able to do it |
| 01:03.01 | daveeejr | abrotman: make a new one? in gnome 3? |
| 01:03.02 | qrada | i dont think it can |
| 01:03.37 | somiaj | qrada: again you need to have enough info of what is isntalled in RootDir for that to work afaik. (it is useful for fixing a system you are not booted into) |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | daveeejr: i don't care how you make it, just make a new user, test the app with a fresh user |
| 01:03.58 | somiaj | qrada: do you just want to extract the package contents into another directory, you can do that with dpkg -x. |
| 01:04.20 | daveeejr | abrotman: got it, just making sure that was adequate. brb |
| 01:04.24 | qrada | ya i guess that makes sense.. apt-get would just be wrecked if it just blindly installed into a directory, which dpkg can do |
| 01:04.27 | qrada | thanks man |
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| 01:06.16 | fishcooker | grub-pc version 1.98 |
| 01:06.24 | fishcooker | it means no grub2 somiaj |
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| 01:06.38 | somiaj | I belive it is grub2, just a prerelease |
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| 01:07.35 | somiaj | yea gurb v2 has been default since squeeze, I was never sure why it was always versions like 1.98 and 1.99 though |
| 01:08.08 | somiaj | fishcooker: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub -- according to that it is grub v2 |
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| 01:09.56 | gnarface | if i install the wheezy-backports kernel, will that update my alsa driver to a newer version too? i notice alsa doesn't appear to also be in backports... will that be a problem? |
| 01:10.20 | gnarface | i'm trying to isolate an apparent bug in the cmipci driver |
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| 01:10.59 | acu | I want to install google-talkplugin and it tells me --- Selecting previously unselected package google-talkplugin --dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'groff' is missing final newline |
| 01:11.03 | acu | what is the problem |
| 01:11.04 | somiaj | the new kernel will contain the newer alsa sound drivers which is probabaly all you will need gnarface. |
| 01:11.26 | gnarface | somiaj: so you don't think that the older alsa userspace and such will be a problem? |
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| 01:11.53 | somiaj | gnarface: not at all, there isn't a major change afaik, it will just contain newer and hopefully better drivers for some sound cards |
| 01:11.54 | daveeejr | abrotman: same issue |
| 01:12.03 | gnarface | i guess its worth a try |
| 01:12.23 | somiaj | acu: where are you getting this google-talkplugin package? |
| 01:12.42 | somiaj | acu: was it a package compiled for debian wheezy or just some other debian based distro (like ubunut) |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | daveeejr: so file a bug on the package |
| 01:12.51 | daveeejr | abrotman: but when i ran it from a root terminal as this new user, here is what i got: http://pastebin.com/ZFS8tAXR |
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| 01:13.12 | daveeejr | abrotman: you think it's jessie? and not an issue with upgrading? |
| 01:13.18 | acu | somiaj: I got it from google - when you try to get in talking it will tell you need package |
| 01:13.30 | acu | it is for 64bit debian /ubuntu |
| 01:13.53 | somiaj | acu: it most likely wont' work on debian then. You need to tell google to make a package for debian wheezy or get the source and compilie it yourself. |
| 01:14.02 | daveeejr | abrotman: when i try to remove fontconfig, apt-get asks to remove tons of files with it. is it possible to just remove fontconfig and nothing else? |
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| 01:14.50 | jbrelin | Anyone have any idea why "disable while typing" isn't doing jack for my touchpad? |
| 01:15.06 | somiaj | acu: it may work in jessie/sid, it may not. But I would suggest trying to compile it yourself or see if google has any support for their packages. |
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| 01:15.13 | Frustrated_AGAIN | hi debian team members, developers, and users |
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| 01:15.22 | daveeejr | jbrelin: same. idk |
| 01:15.23 | gnarface | jbrelin: i don't even have an idea how to set it in the first place... |
| 01:15.29 | daveeejr | Frustrated_AGAIN: hi |
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| 01:15.40 | Frustrated_AGAIN | wtf is wrong with the debain installer that GRUB consistently fails on different Wheezy installers? |
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| 01:16.13 | Frustrated_AGAIN | I'm trying xfce live disc now and it fails at GRUB install just like the normal installation disc |
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| 01:16.43 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: motherboard model and bios revision # please |
| 01:17.12 | Frustrated_AGAIN | gnarface, what does this have to do motherboards and bios versions? |
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| 01:17.23 | themill | Frustrated_AGAIN: precisely which installer are you using and what media are you installing from? |
| 01:17.23 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: everything, probably. |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | daveeejr: not likely |
| 01:18.04 | daveeejr | abrotman: damn |
| 01:18.08 | Frustrated_AGAIN | MASTER_KAYUGA is IM'ing spam to me. Isn't that against freenode rules? |
| 01:18.13 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: and it died *installing* grub, not booting it afterwards, right? |
| 01:18.14 | luser0 | perhaps this is a matter of the electrical plug? |
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| 01:18.29 | abrotman | is he now? |
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| 01:19.53 | acu | somiaj, something happened last days - I used this feature in the same laptop one week ago |
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| 01:19.58 | acu | is just craxy |
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| 01:20.14 | Frustrated_AGAIN | themill, I first tried using the first disc of the multi disc installation set. It failed at Grub. This was the previous version of wheezy, before this month's release. It was on my first desktop. Then just now I tried the most recent live disc version with XFCE, and it failed to install GRUB. This is on a different desktop. |
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| 01:21.05 | acu | Frustrated_AGAIN, you may need to create a /boot partition during install (100 to 250 MB) that I have encountered as a problem |
| 01:21.23 | themill | Frustrated_AGAIN: and what media are you installing from? |
| 01:21.24 | acu | also depends what you do - xfs or ext4 for / and how big is |
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| 01:21.33 | abrotman | acu: no one uses xfs anymore |
| 01:21.41 | Frustrated_AGAIN | themill, DVD. The 1 GB image. |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | themill: he said the live XFCE image |
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| 01:22.00 | themill | abrotman: that doesn't tell us what media |
| 01:22.01 | Frustrated_AGAIN | yes, the XFCE live DVD |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | i have no idea why people insist on using that image |
| 01:22.01 | acu | the best is to let the partition automatically during install - that usually works better than quirky experimental partitioning schemes |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | themill: probably prepared with unetbootin too? :) |
| 01:22.26 | acu | abrotman: what people use instead of XFS ? |
| 01:22.28 | themill | well that was going to be my next question, yes |
| 01:22.43 | justinas | I am out of ideas. After boot the computer's screen is blank. Everything boots just fine, when I plug the HDMI monitor I can see that Xorg also started just fine, but the primary laptop's display is blank. What could be the crux of the matter? |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | acu: seriously? You should talk to gnarface about file system choices |
| 01:23.21 | gnarface | abrotman: there are actually a few corner cases i'd advise xfs for still too. |
| 01:23.36 | Frustrated_AGAIN | so what installation media is known to work for wheezy? |
| 01:23.36 | justinas | acu: People use EXT4, because there is nothing better for single users. |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | gnarface: I was joking mostly |
| 01:23.56 | gnarface | abrotman: i agree its somewhat insulting to have to set up a cron job if you want defragging, but i've also in practice never seen it fragment much |
| 01:23.57 | acu | Frustrated_AGAIN, do not be too creative, just read what people are telling you here - after you install is different - you can install xfce and other things later - I found that it may be better to install base without desktop then install desktop - on one laptop gdm did not work - but kdm works - |
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| 01:25.11 | Frustrated_AGAIN | I would also like to mention that on the xfce live image (DVD) tells me that I can't install with the 686 version and need to reboot into the 486 version, since the installer uses 486. I noticed that on the 686 installer one can only use JFS and XFS, but on the 486 installer others like ext4 are available. |
| 01:25.14 | themill | Frustrated_AGAIN: all of them are known to work for wheezy. The question we need to working on is why they are not working for you |
| 01:25.51 | Frustrated_AGAIN | themill, I've tried this on 2 different machines that are years apart in age from one another. GRUB failed on both. |
| 01:26.02 | acu | Frustrated_AGAIN, you need to make sure you know whether you use uefi or bios and again that /boot save my day few times :) |
| 01:26.22 | acu | did you let it partition on its own during installation ? |
| 01:26.27 | abrotman | Frustrated_AGAIN: is this on a CD or USB thumbdrive? |
| 01:26.28 | Frustrated_AGAIN | themill, ubuntu and other distros work just fine. |
| 01:26.46 | justinas | Debian works just fine, too. |
| 01:26.58 | somiaj | acu: it is complaining about the package groff, you could try to redownload/install that package. |
| 01:27.01 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, good question. I tried to put image onto my 1 GB usb stick, but it was about 15 MB too large. So I burned to a DVD. |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | Frustrated_AGAIN: okay |
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| 01:27.09 | acu | abrotman: I thought XFS is going to be the default file system for rhel7 ? |
| 01:27.24 | gnarface | snorts |
| 01:27.33 | gnarface | acu: maybe you were thinking zfs? |
| 01:27.46 | Frustrated_AGAIN | it's nice to see that the supposedly 1 GB debian image is actually 15 MB too large for my 1 GB stick. Anyone else understand my frustration? |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | in your usb drive being sold short? |
| 01:28.19 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, that's possible |
| 01:28.24 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: your USB drive is almost certainly 1000MB not 1024MB so it was 1 "marketer's gigabyte" |
| 01:28.39 | Frustrated_AGAIN | people are always giving away those free sticks, which is how I got this one |
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| 01:29.08 | Frustrated_AGAIN | salespeople :/ |
| 01:29.11 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: nobody is contesting your allegation it doesn't work. nobody is even suggesting user error. its clearly a bug with the grub version used by debian, but there is almost certainly a way to isolate and avoid the problem. |
| 01:29.52 | acu | how can I forcefully remove groff - it tells me the same - ? |
| 01:29.54 | somiaj | Frustrated_AGAIN: I find the the offical debian installer (from the debian install media) is a bit better than the installer from live.debian.net on the live images. I too have run across the grub issue and have to manually fix it. |
| 01:29.55 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: OFTEN newer bios versions simply fix it. USUALLY, clever partitioning can too. |
| 01:30.03 | acu | apt-get remove --purge groff ? |
| 01:30.09 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: you might want to just avoid all the frustration and try lilo though instead |
| 01:30.38 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.41 | Frustrated_AGAIN | gnarface, I don't recall seeing a lilo option |
| 01:30.47 | Frustrated_AGAIN | checks |
| 01:30.49 | somiaj | gnarface: I think he is using the installer on the debian live images which have always failed at grub for me too. But chrooting into the install and fixing it was easy. |
| 01:30.56 | justinas | But LILO is outdated, outmoded, pase! |
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| 01:31.04 | abrotman | passe |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:31.12 | justinas | Yes, thanks. |
| 01:31.12 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: hmm. you may have to install in expert mode for the option to be available |
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| 01:31.57 | gnarface | lilo is still an option in the wheezy netinstaller at least, isn't it? |
| 01:32.11 | gnarface | anyone? |
| 01:32.16 | gnarface | could have sworn it was... |
| 01:32.23 | un214 | dunno but lilo is still supported if you have a copy of the package |
| 01:32.31 | acu | one stupid question - can you do WAN sharing with nfs ? |
| 01:32.41 | un214 | my idea of "netinstaller" is cd1 these days |
| 01:32.54 | gnarface | acu: just don't. its not secure. |
| 01:32.55 | Frustrated_AGAIN | alright I tried lilo |
| 01:32.59 | Frustrated_AGAIN | that failed too lol |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | un214: that'd be wrong, but nice try |
| 01:33.41 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: evidence is pointing more towards that your primary boot partition is too large. older bioses often have this problem, especially back in the actual 686 era |
| 01:33.44 | Frustrated_AGAIN | somiaj, that sounds like a workaround I may need to use if I'm to get a working debian installation |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | Frustrated_AGAIN: wait, why are you using i386 instead of amd64? |
| 01:34.24 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, I have less than 4 GB RAM |
| 01:34.24 | un214 | which part is wrong? |
| 01:34.32 | abrotman | Frustrated_AGAIN: and? |
| 01:34.57 | un214 | I'd do i386 too with less than 4GB RAM to reduce memory consumption |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | we already know un214 is a luddite :) |
| 01:35.25 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, I have an amd quad core but 2 GB RAM |
| 01:35.25 | gnarface | would just buy more ram |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | Frustrated_AGAIN: Not really seeing a problem, but it's up to you |
| 01:35.40 | un214 | would too |
| 01:35.58 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, so would running 64-bit be ok on my quad core system? |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | if it's 64bit, don't see why not |
| 01:36.20 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: is the current boot partition larger than a gigabyte? |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | not sure it'll solve your problem though |
| 01:36.27 | justinas | un214: I don't see how amd64 OS would consume more memory than a 32 bit OS. |
| 01:36.41 | abrotman | justinas: it's pretty easy, and well documented |
| 01:36.57 | emss | you can try extlinux |
| 01:37.03 | un214 | justinas: It's about 20% more due to 8 byte pointers and a few changes to the instruction set |
| 01:37.14 | Frustrated_AGAIN | gnarface, I have one distro already installed and yes that one has a / partition with /boot and it's several gigabytes in size. |
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| 01:37.57 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: i think the earlier suggestion to make /boot 100MB in size is valid to try at this point |
| 01:37.59 | Frustrated_AGAIN | gnarface, but I also tried on an older P4 system with a deleted primary partition and grub failed |
| 01:38.02 | justinas | It simply can't be 20%, unless one fifth of all the data structures in a program a pointers, which, frankly, is ludicrous. |
| 01:38.12 | abrotman | Frustrated_AGAIN: perhaps you could try the regular installer? |
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| 01:38.19 | abrotman | justinas: it's an average of 20% |
| 01:38.25 | justinas | s/a\ pointers/are\ pointers/g |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | justinas: as i said, well documented, etc |
| 01:38.53 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, on my P4 system I did use the regular installer. I used disc 1 and grub/lilo failed. |
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| 01:39.11 | abrotman | encryption? lvm? |
| 01:39.16 | Frustrated_AGAIN | I'll try creatinga /boot partition and see what happens |
| 01:39.25 | un214 | good idea |
| 01:39.31 | emss | Frustrated_AGAIN you can try extlinux |
| 01:39.31 | Frustrated_AGAIN | abrotman, no just the basics |
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| 01:40.05 | justinas | Anyway, I think that using a 64 bit OS on a 64 bit machine is a fine idea. |
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| 01:40.07 | abrotman | emss: we heard you the first three times |
| 01:40.24 | emss | abrotman that was the 2nd time :) |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | emss: the third time is coming, i can smell it :) |
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| 01:40.46 | un214 | lilo will fail if it can't identify the bios disk id at install time. If you get that specific error message, you can try forcing it to 0x80 (a machine with one HD will have it at 0x80). |
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| 01:41.20 | un214 | on an old enough machine, you might have the 9GB barrier, but I don't think a machine capable of running 64bit should have that problem |
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| 01:42.08 | gnarface | well on some older bioses i've even seen it fail to auto-detect that the harddrive needs to be set to LBA mode |
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| 01:42.11 | gnarface | and had to manually set that |
| 01:42.26 | un214 | that could do it yes |
| 01:42.30 | Frustrated_AGAIN | un214, but I was hoping for a simple, straightforward installation. I figured that since Debian is so old and so popular, one thing that would be mastered by now is the installation process. |
| 01:42.49 | justinas | And it's silky smooth. |
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| 01:43.49 | un214 | didn't you say you had another partition in front of your debian install? |
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| 01:50.17 | elkingrey | I'm thinking about getting a second hdd and setting my machine up for raid 1. After physical installation of the second hdd, how difficult is it to set up raid 1? I'm currently only running one debain partition that was installed with lvm using fde. |
| 01:50.53 | elkingrey | Does gnome-disk-utility make the process simple? |
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| 01:54.34 | justinas | After boot the laptop's screen is blank. Everything boots just fine. When I plug another monitor with the HDMI cable, then I see gdm, and I can log in and work as usual, but the primary monitor remains blank. |
| 01:54.51 | justinas | WTF? |
| 01:55.34 | gnarface | justinas: some models do this automatically if the external monitor is plugged in before power on. |
| 01:55.54 | gnarface | justinas: sometimes there is a function key on the keyboard you can toggle stuff with. this is a laptop you're talking about, right? |
| 01:56.11 | justinas | Yes. |
| 01:56.25 | justinas | Asus UX32VD, more precisely. |
| 01:56.44 | gnarface | i'm not familiar with it, but if its got much less than 64MB of ram you may not even have enough to drive two monitors |
| 01:56.57 | gnarface | (64MB on the video card, that is) |
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| 01:57.18 | justinas | Amm.. it's got a bit much more. :-D |
| 01:57.41 | gnarface | sometimes its just assuming "lid closed" mode, especially if you also have an external keyboard plugged in at power on time. |
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| 01:58.20 | gnarface | justinas: but if its not, you will probably need to configure xinerama (or twinview if its a nvidia card) to get both displays to work |
| 01:58.39 | gnarface | that won't be default behavior |
| 01:58.45 | justinas | At any rate, I wouldn't be unhappy if the laptop's screen was blank if I was booting with the external monitor attached at boot time. My problem is that it's blank when I boot WITHOUT the external monitor attached. |
| 01:58.51 | Frustrated_AGAIN | tried again with /boot partition, fails again |
| 01:59.08 | Frustrated_AGAIN | the message is "grub-pc failed to installed to /target/" |
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| 01:59.28 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: that was with the livecd? how big was /boot partition? |
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| 02:00.04 | gnarface | Frustrated_AGAIN: you should probably try one of these: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 02:00.23 | Frustrated_AGAIN | gnarface, yes. The /boot was 98.6 MB as my 100 MB entry wasn't enough for Debain. |
| 02:00.45 | justinas | Basically, the laptop shows GRUB menu in its primary screen (that's fine), then proceeds to load the kernel (I can see the log), then it loads the services (awesome), and then the primary screen goes blank. |
| 02:01.31 | gnarface | justinas: if its one of those ones with the hybrid intel/amd or intel/nvidia dual-card setup there are extra complications |
| 02:01.31 | justinas | Xorg.0.log reveals that I have a few entries, e.g., like eDP1, HDMI1 and VGA1, all of them, except eDP1 being disconnected at the time when Xorg starts. |
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| 02:02.36 | justinas | gnarface: Yes, that's one of those dual thingies. In my case it's intel/nvidia. |
| 02:02.56 | justinas | So far, I've never used the nvidia card, though. |
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| 02:04.39 | wrp6 | Just installed debian on a partition that had fedora on it. THe partitions were a little sketchy, and I installed grub but it immediately went into rescue mode because it did not find the boot volume. |
| 02:05.09 | wrp6 | I want to execute the 'Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk' installation menu item, but it redirects me to the partitioner. Should I repartition differently? |
| 02:05.15 | wrp6 | The only complication is that I have windows on another partition. |
| 02:05.58 | wrp6 | I think the issue might be that I have a 524MB empty partition before my main LVM. |
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| 02:06.13 | wrp6 | I don't know how to move this free space into my LVM, there doesn't seem to be an option for it |
| 02:06.26 | un214 | well if you can connect to interenet from booted cd1, you can try my crazy way to get it working |
| 02:07.11 | wrp6 | ? |
| 02:07.16 | un214 | not you |
| 02:07.20 | wrp6 | ah |
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| 02:08.06 | Frustrated_AGAIN | I can use another linux for a bootloader, but I already tried that on my other machine. Something involving the grub failure results in files needed for booting haven't been created. |
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| 02:08.37 | un214 | I pretty much figured that. Unfortunately I only know maintenance for lilo |
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| 02:13.12 | Frustrated_AGAIN | this looks like a solution for this situation: http://giantdorks.org/alain/easy-enough-recovery-from-debian-testing-installers-failure-to-install-grub-during-setup/ |
| 02:14.11 | Frustrated_AGAIN | but I've been connected to the internet before and it still failed, but that was on the intitial installation. The solution from this person is to use rescue mode. |
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| 02:14.49 | urn | anyone know how to programmatically change the default terminal from xterm to urxvt. I know about update-alternatives but you need to do the interactive menu and i'm trying to do it with a shell script |
| 02:15.20 | grimeton | urn: doesnt' update-alternatives offer a shell way without interactive? |
| 02:15.34 | grimeton | urn: if in doubt, just manually change the link |
| 02:15.41 | un214 | update-alternatives --set-selections |
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| 02:15.46 | grimeton | urn: gimme a minute, i'll check |
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| 02:16.03 | urn | ty I looked at the man page but I didn't see anything. I probably missed the option |
| 02:16.21 | un214 | the idea is to serialize that one entry, and play it back to --set-selections with a here document |
| 02:16.59 | un214 | grimeton: I have seriously broken things by manually changing the link under update-alternatives |
| 02:17.12 | themill | for update-alternatives it's "--set" not "--set-selections" |
| 02:17.30 | themill | (assuming you don't want to blat over all selections at least) |
| 02:17.52 | un214 | themill: you know what set-selections does when there's only one entry on its input right? |
| 02:17.57 | grimeton | urn: echo "x-terminal-emulator manual /usr/bin/Eterm" | update-alternatives --set-selections |
| 02:18.01 | un214 | then again --set is probably better |
| 02:18.03 | grimeton | un214: happy i'm not you |
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| 02:18.58 | urn | grimeton, tyvm |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | Eterm isn't a very good emulator |
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| 02:23.51 | syeekick | hey guys |
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| 02:24.00 | syeekick | got a few questions about clonezilla |
| 02:24.04 | dD | Eduard_Munteanu, hey, fixed it. It was that, plus the boot flag was set on windows (which I didn't notice) + boot repair won't really work with an encrypted hdd |
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| 02:24.26 | syeekick | if i were to make a clone of my hard drive what file will it save it as ... will i tsave as a .iso? |
| 02:24.45 | klys | woo I didn't know ScrlLk would do that to irssi |
| 02:25.03 | un214 | wouldn't that be a .img? |
| 02:25.13 | syeekick | ok .img |
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| 02:25.40 | syeekick | with the .img or even .iso what ever it might be, could i get that said image and make a bootable flash drive from it? |
| 02:26.09 | grimeton | syeekick: nnnnnnnyes |
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| 02:27.47 | syeekick | grimeton, could you divulge me please? |
| 02:28.11 | klys | you likely have to start from /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 . I had a w7 ntfs partition backup (used dd if=/dev/sda1) that won't mount with -o loop |
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| 02:28.26 | grimeton | syeekick: thing isn't creating the bootable flash drive, the problem will be to make the inside work from the flash drive, so using windows would be rather tricky |
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| 02:28.41 | grimeton | syeekick: also you have to change the block ids of the partitions, else the system doesn't know where to boot from... |
| 02:28.42 | syeekick | i am a debian user :P |
| 02:29.13 | syeekick | im a noob, will all this be too hard? |
| 02:29.23 | Tylertwo | How can I increase the font size of TTYs (ie TTY1-6)? |
| 02:29.24 | TehP1xel2 | What's the Debian equivalent of Ubuntu's "Screen"? |
| 02:29.27 | grimeton | syeekick: yes, try ubuntu |
| 02:29.33 | grimeton | Tylertwo: change the video mode or enable framebuffer |
| 02:29.40 | grimeton | TehP1xel2: screen |
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| 02:30.00 | TehP1xel2 | grimeton: You can get screen on debian? |
| 02:30.02 | syeekick | it took me 3 weeks to get the system where it is now. im not switching to ubuntu lol |
| 02:30.05 | grimeton | TehP1xel2: you should have a look at tmux ... |
| 02:30.10 | grimeton | TehP1xel2: yes, you can |
| 02:30.23 | klys | apt-get install screen |
| 02:30.32 | TehP1xel2 | Thanksyou! |
| 02:30.52 | syeekick | i just want to back it up completely a complete clone. and maybe use a live cd to copy it all across to a blank hard drive, is that more suitable? |
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| 02:31.16 | grimeton | syeekick: use a tarball todo that |
| 02:31.34 | grimeton | syeekick: worked for the last nearly 20 years without any problems |
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| 02:32.20 | syeekick | what has worked for nearly 20years? |
| 02:32.31 | grimeton | syeekick: using tar balls |
| 02:33.01 | un214 | and to think I use cpio for the same job (thanks to -imud) |
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| 02:34.00 | klys | cpio from what I hear, is a more advanced program. use cpio personally, just don't expect me to download a .cpio |
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| 02:34.27 | grimeton | for i in cgroup dev mnt media proc run sys tmp; do echo "/$i" >> /root/exclude-files; done && tar cvfpP / - --exclude-from=/root/exclude-files | xz -v9 > /mnt/backups/system_$(date)_.tar.xz |
| 02:35.06 | un214 | yeah I tend to use cpio with tar's formats |
| 02:35.14 | Tylertwo | grimeton, could you elaborate on how to change the video mode or enable framebuffering? |
| 02:35.49 | grimeton | Tylertwo: framebuffer relies on your graphics card and requires you to load a special kernel module |
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| 02:35.56 | DerpHerder | test |
| 02:35.59 | grimeton | Tylertwo: later you can manipulate the resolution with fbset |
| 02:36.36 | grimeton | Tylertwo: other idea is to change the basic vesa video mode |
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| 02:36.52 | grimeton | Tylertwo: if prefer framebuffers |
| 02:36.56 | grimeton | s/if/i/ |
| 02:36.56 | klys | that is only true if the listed resolution is in /etc/fb.modes . |
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| 02:37.27 | grimeton | Tylertwo: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/fb?id=refs/tags/v3.12-rc7 |
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| 02:38.15 | klys | also with vesafb you, from what I remember in 2007, cannot change the resolution after booting. |
| 02:38.27 | elvora | what's the recommended way for securely downloading an instillation copy of debian. I'm not interested in just downloading a copy over http or ftp. |
| 02:38.42 | grimeton | elvora: download a copy via http or ftp and then verify the checksum |
| 02:38.45 | Nashenas | so I installed the proprietary nvidia drivers, didn't work, blinking cursor on login. I switch to tty1, uninstalled the proprietary drivers, removed the added xorg.conf and removed the blacklisted nouveau entry left by nvidia. When I restarted my system, it seems nouveau isn't running, gnome 3 won't run, and running glxgears errors out. Any ideas where I can begin to diagnose the issue? |
| 02:39.05 | grimeton | Nashenas: in the X logs |
| 02:39.20 | Nashenas | grime ton, is that in /var/logs/ |
| 02:39.25 | grimeton | Nashenas: yes |
| 02:39.31 | Nashenas | thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 02:41.28 | Nashenas | grime ton, I see "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" |
| 02:41.42 | Nashenas | It's the only error in the log |
| 02:41.45 | grimeton | Nashenas: it's grimeton, the city in sweden, not grime tone ... |
| 02:41.48 | elvora | grimeton: ok. Following the links from google under search term 'download debian' leads to: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst which simply downloads a copy but there is not a .sig file or sha/md5 info |
| 02:42.03 | grimeton | Nashenas: looks like a driver is missing, guess you removed or blocked the main driver |
| 02:42.21 | Nashenas | how can I check if the nouveau driver is running? |
| 02:42.27 | grimeton | elvora: yeah, the debian download pages are a pita ... wait, i'll give you a link |
| 02:42.41 | wrp6 | Just installed debian from netinst.iso. How do I configure aptitude correctly? |
| 02:42.41 | wrp6 | Right now it can't find xorg, kde, tmux, etc |
| 02:42.59 | wrp6 | The entry in /etc/apt/sources.list starts with 'deb cdrom:' |
| 02:43.00 | grimeton | elvora: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 02:43.08 | grimeton | elvora: check the *SUMS* files |
| 02:43.11 | dvs | !tell wrp6 about wheezy sources.list |
| 02:43.50 | grimeton | Nashenas: doesn't look like that one has been considered... but i don't have enough experience with X and nvidia drivers to use the crystall ball to figure that out |
| 02:43.56 | grimeton | Nashenas: maybe someone else is able to help |
| 02:44.07 | elvora | grimeton: thanks. That should not be so. If the debian project needs someone to clean up their pages related to downloading the software securely I'd be happy to volunteer my time to fix that problem. |
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| 02:44.29 | grimeton | elvora: i can't remember a day the download pages weren't like that ... |
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| 02:44.39 | elvora | grimeton: Although I'm not sure how to go about volunteering. |
| 02:44.46 | wrp6 | dvs: Thanks |
| 02:45.01 | dvs | wrp6: no prob |
| 02:45.11 | grimeton | elvora: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 02:45.39 | Nashenas | griveton, modprobe nouveau doesn't say anything, but looking through dmesg I see "0x7232: i2c wr fail: -6" along with another pointer to 0x7244 |
| 02:45.55 | Tylertwo | Thanks for the suggestions. |
| 02:46.05 | Nashenas | grimeton* |
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| 02:46.16 | grimeton | Nashenas: i wonder if i2c is really part of this ... |
| 02:46.24 | grimeton | Nashenas: but again: i can't help you - lack of experience |
| 02:46.38 | Nashenas | =/, I'll do some more research now that I have some more info |
| 02:46.59 | grimeton | Nashenas: sounds like a good way to go |
| 02:47.06 | klys | i2c is required for some kernel graphics, such as i810fb |
| 02:48.22 | wrp6 | Any way to disable an RF-Kill without the rfkill utility? |
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| 02:48.37 | wrp6 | Don't have any packages but turns out my ethernet driver is unsupported. |
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| 02:48.47 | abrotman | eh .. debian.org/intro/help/ |
| 02:48.47 | wrp6 | But can't turn on wlan0 because of Rf-kill |
| 02:49.09 | wrp6 | Heh alright |
| 02:49.10 | Nashenas | hmmm looks like I had one last nvidia package left behind. Purging that one to see if it helps |
| 02:49.11 | james41382 | You can download rf-kill and remove the soft block |
| 02:49.24 | grimeton | Nashenas: don't forget to install the nouveau driver afterwards |
| 02:49.30 | wrp6 | james41382: The point is I can't connect to the internet |
| 02:49.39 | james41382 | Oh.. yeah... n/m |
| 02:49.40 | james41382 | lol |
| 02:49.46 | james41382 | Wait you're on the internet |
| 02:49.47 | Nashenas | grimeton: they're already installed. They were never removed,only blacklisted by the nvidia driver. |
| 02:49.56 | Nashenas | I removed the blacklist when I uninstalled the main nvidia driver |
| 02:49.59 | grimeton | Nashenas: kk |
| 02:50.05 | james41382 | D/l from the computer you are on and put on a disk then install from there..? |
| 02:50.22 | wrp6 | I suppose |
| 02:50.24 | klys | iface wlan0; inet dhcp pre-up wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf &> /dev/null & |
| 02:51.02 | klys | er, iface wlan0 inet dhcp; pre-up wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf &> /dev/null & |
| 02:51.12 | wrp6 | I don't have the iface command |
| 02:51.25 | klys | man interfaces |
| 02:51.39 | wrp6 | Actually as it turns out, my ethernet magically just started working -- I had been getting a message indicated that i didn't have the driver |
| 02:52.10 | wrp6 | But out of curiosity what was the interfaces manpage supposed to tell me? |
| 02:52.47 | klys | the page is about the file /etc/network/intarfaces |
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| 02:53.34 | wrp6 | I see, so that could bring the wireless interface up despite the rfkill |
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| 02:54.02 | syeekick | Remastersys this or clonezilla? |
| 02:54.21 | klys | cpuinfo? |
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| 02:56.00 | james41382 | wrp6: But if it's now up it's worth downloading rfkill so that in the future you could easily see the status and change it.. |
| 02:56.37 | grimeton | re |
| 02:56.40 | grimeton | sorry, been on the phone |
| 02:57.33 | wrp6 | Agreed. Unfortunately aptitude still does not seem to be configured properly. After editing sources.list is there a command i should issue to refresh aptitude with the new repositories? |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | aptitude update |
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| 02:58.18 | wrp6 | Ah damn, I had that ready to go above and I missed it |
| 02:58.20 | syeekick | hi could someone help me with a little pickle am in ? |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 03:01.21 | syeekick | remastersys will that do the same as clonezilla? |
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| 03:01.47 | syeekick | with the radial fields selected in remastersys |
| 03:02.01 | syeekick | with the simlar |
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| 03:03.43 | syeekick | will it clone the drive? |
| 03:04.31 | klys | which one have you used before and which one do you have questions about; have you read the man page for the latter |
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| 03:35.14 | emss | haha firefox is at 24 |
| 03:35.35 | linux-fox | version is 24? |
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| 03:35.42 | emss | yes |
| 03:35.53 | linux-fox | so fast |
| 03:36.13 | grimeton | yeah they make every svn revision a major release |
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| 03:51.41 | syeekick | can you use clone zilla to restore the image made by clonezilla |
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| 03:53.21 | gnarface | syeekick: according to the package description you can, but most people in here probably use dd for that so we don't know any more than you do. |
| 03:53.34 | syeekick | what is dd? |
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| 03:53.55 | klys | it's direct block imaging |
| 03:54.08 | gnarface | sybariten: a low-level, non-networked single-disk utility otherwise for the same basic purpose |
| 03:54.12 | syeekick | is that via command land? |
| 03:54.15 | gnarface | yes |
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| 03:54.22 | gnarface | its ancient and very reliable, if slow |
| 03:55.10 | syeekick | how hard is that for a newbie? |
| 03:55.27 | gnarface | if you only have one disk to backup, clonezilla is probably overkill. dd is very simple |
| 03:55.56 | klys | if you `man dd' and then know the difference between seek and skip then you have my permission |
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| 04:00.06 | klys | also remember that overwriting your partition table with dd does not alter your drive's geometry. |
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| 04:00.26 | magnavox | anyone know why sometimes my fdisk -l displays my 160 gb harddrive with / installed as /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sda1 (which somehow my seperate 1tb drive has taken) |
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| 04:01.25 | klys | it depends on the order in which linux's scsi subsystem recognizes them (not the bios.) |
| 04:02.52 | klys | so when your initrd probes sd_mod, which one had a driver modprobe first is sda |
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| 04:04.08 | klys | back in the day when we had ide drives this wasn't so much of a problem. but debian initrd's standardized on ide-scsi and sd_mod. |
| 04:04.41 | magnavox | using ahci |
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| 04:06.07 | klys | the usb ?hci modules use usb-storage, which in turn uses sd_mod |
| 04:07.19 | syeekick | if i wanted to dd to a usb drive would that be viable? |
| 04:07.34 | gnarface | when installing the backport kernel, is it a problem that there is no matching firmware-linux-free? |
| 04:07.34 | klys | check the geometry with fdisk -l |
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| 04:08.04 | gnarface | is it possible my problem with my CMI8738-M6 audio card is that it requires non-free firmware? |
| 04:08.30 | klys | just if ypur devices (wifi?) use the firmware files. the files are distributed with the kernel. |
| 04:08.45 | gnarface | no wifi |
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| 04:09.06 | gnarface | specifically i'm wondering about the audio card CMI8738-M6 |
| 04:09.22 | klys | other devices can use firmware files. check the kernel /usr/src/linux/firmware |
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| 04:21.55 | jbrelin | I just updated gnome and now I don't have any laptop-related power settings. Other power settings are around, but I can't set the lid close action, for example. Any clues? |
| 04:22.24 | jbrelin | Also, if anybody can tell me why "disable while typing" is doing nothing for my touchpad, I'd be much obliged. |
| 04:22.31 | klys | lsmod before and after ? diff |
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| 04:26.01 | klys | also look at acpi, maybe with a utility or in /sys |
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| 04:33.08 | klys | ,versions acpitool |
| 04:33.09 | judd | Package: acpitool on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.1-2; jessie: 0.5.1-3; sid: 0.5.1-3; wheezy: 0.5.1-3 |
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| 04:43.02 | fruitFly | I'm interested in purchasing a laptop for debian with the following nic's: "It shows up as Atheros AR8151 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (NDIS 6.20) in Device Manager. It also has an Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 which supports WiDi." Do you think those will be supported in Debian well? Here is the machine:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231046&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&c |
| 04:43.11 | syeekick | i updated my xfce and still havent got a screen brightness slider |
| 04:44.04 | fruitFly | What do you guys think of the machine for Debian? |
| 04:44.10 | grimeton | fruitFly: let me have a look |
| 04:44.34 | micronxd | I edited my rc.local to run a program that was meant to be forked with `&`. I left out the `&`, and now I boot into an infinite loop :\. Is there any way to prevent rc.local from running? |
| 04:44.37 | fruitFly | grimeton: thank you, this community is THE BEST |
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| 04:45.04 | klys | fruitfly: search for [kconfig 3.10] you should find a site showing source for linux. read the config options for your devices there and also see the text files under Documentation |
| 04:45.14 | grimeton | fruitFly: where do you have the nic info from? it's not on the website |
| 04:46.02 | fruitFly | grimeton: it's under the question and answers section, I think it's some indian that answers that works for newegg, I believe him |
| 04:47.32 | micronxd | the program I have set to run in rc.local is meant to be a daemon |
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| 04:48.00 | grimeton | fruitFly: the wifi nic is supported http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi |
| 04:48.10 | grimeton | fruitFly: and the atheros nic should work ootb iirc |
| 04:48.28 | fruitFly | grimeton: iirc? |
| 04:48.38 | grimeton | fruitFly: If I Remember Correctly |
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| 04:49.36 | fruitFly | grimeton: ok thank you, so you think this might be a solid deb machine in general, my orevios asus experience with mint was pleasant, just got into a little wlan trouble with 1 belkin router, damn realtek wlan interface, so much happier this is intel |
| 04:50.01 | grimeton | fruitFly: yeah, it should work. |
| 04:50.03 | acu | is there a way to have a lock file through ssh ? so only the person who opens it can modify it, while others cannot ? |
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| 04:50.20 | grimeton | acu: define "through ssh" |
| 04:50.33 | fruitFly | grimeton: :D do you think I could find any better deal on an i7 HD4000 machine? |
| 04:50.49 | grimeton | fruitFly: you could get one with a 2nd gfx card |
| 04:51.05 | grimeton | what's that called in english? discrete graphics? |
| 04:51.17 | n0c | yeah |
| 04:51.29 | n0c | or 'dedicated' |
| 04:51.42 | acu | yeah there is one from asus a10 with 2 GB dedicated card |
| 04:51.45 | acu | laptop |
| 04:52.07 | fruitFly | grimeton: acu but will it work in debian though? |
| 04:52.08 | grimeton | i usually tell people to buy a refurbished 2 year old thinkpad :D |
| 04:52.14 | grimeton | half the price same setup |
| 04:52.17 | acu | fruitfly: I a writing from it :) |
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| 04:52.25 | acu | Debian wheezy |
| 04:52.27 | fruitFly | acu: link? |
| 04:52.43 | fruitFly | grimeton: where can i buy refurb i7 idea pads? |
| 04:52.57 | fruitFly | grimeton: thinkpads* |
| 04:53.04 | grimeton | fruitFly: don't think you get two year old refurbished idea pads with the 1/2 year old i7 technology ... |
| 04:53.22 | fruitFly | grimeton: right lol |
| 04:53.22 | grimeton | fruitFly: google for it, there should be reseller in your country/for your region |
| 04:54.20 | magnavox | outlet.dell.com is your friend |
| 04:54.37 | grimeton | they aren't exactly selling thinkpads, are they? |
| 04:54.42 | n0c | he's looking for lenovo's |
| 04:54.44 | n0c | :) |
| 04:54.55 | acu | why are you guys into i7 so much, never understood ? I run a8 and a10 laptops and they zoom - multiple vms etc - anyhow (and the amd 8 cores are the same as in servers - for 1/10 th of the price of intel - |
| 04:55.02 | magnavox | outlet.lenovo.com??? lol |
| 04:55.32 | magnavox | i5s usually less power/thermal |
| 04:55.40 | magnavox | i7s |
| 04:55.40 | grimeton | i invested in a macbook back in 2010 and i'm still using it - works fine |
| 04:55.42 | magnavox | iwhatevers |
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| 04:56.04 | magnavox | i use a dell latitude 630 |
| 04:56.38 | magnavox | with debian of course |
| 04:56.47 | grimeton | i'm running os x mavericks :D |
| 04:56.57 | magnavox | figured, how is the upgrade |
| 04:57.01 | magnavox | how was the upgrade process? |
| 04:57.08 | grimeton | you want unix on a notebook without the hassle, go for macbook pro |
| 04:57.16 | grimeton | magnavox: i usually do a clean install |
| 04:57.16 | acu | http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Notebook/N56DP-DH11 |
| 04:58.17 | grimeton | but it's really fast, can't say about the memory zipper, never swung into action, but the new multi tasking system makes it a lot faster |
| 04:58.31 | grimeton | downside: they stop everything that isn't visible on the screen, even timer applications |
| 04:59.15 | magnavox | i have a netbook too |
| 04:59.44 | magnavox | don't really need a "desktop replacement" laptop |
| 04:59.50 | acu | grimeton: apple is among the most proprietary - close solutions out there, but it is for rich people who enjoy being enslaved :) |
| 05:00.10 | grimeton | acu: yeah that's what i thought until i got one |
| 05:00.13 | magnavox | acu: or rich people that don't care about being enslaved |
| 05:00.33 | fruitFly | i want to run kden live which is more cpu intensive than gpu intensive, they recommended a newer intel processor; the more cores the better they said. I don't know of any amd laptop cpus that are going to perform as well as an i7, enlighten me. acu I have a budget and a $485 i7 looks like the best deal to, but i'm interested in what else is out there. |
| 05:00.49 | acu | magnavox, no, they even do not know :) that would require consciousness not blinded zelots :) |
| 05:00.52 | fruitFly | acu: i don't need a gpu, just a good cpu and more cores |
| 05:02.48 | acu | fruitFly, do not agonize too much - I usually buy amd - better architecture, cheaper and I support the underdog (I hate monopolies and enslaving) :) so I can have my cake and eat it too (almost - I wish there would be more choices for CPUs but majority of population are just zombie overeaters :) also liking to be enslaved :) |
| 05:03.10 | grimeton | acu: 64bits arm is on its way |
| 05:03.26 | cafuego | fruitFly: CPU really doesn't matter *that* much. What you want in a laptop usually is 1) supported wifi, 2) battery life and 3) lots of ram |
| 05:03.29 | grimeton | acu: dell will present the first servers today and i'm pretty sure it will be a platform for notebooks too |
| 05:03.40 | magnavox | cpu instruction sets are all i care about |
| 05:03.41 | fruitFly | acu: i don't need a gpu, and does it work on debian anyway? for $50 more than that I can get a haswell i7-4700MG clevo |
| 05:04.18 | grimeton | fruitFly: why don't you go for an i5? i have an i7 and i'd not get one again - they're getting way to hot and you can't call it a laptop anymore |
| 05:04.33 | magnavox | id just get an i3 |
| 05:04.35 | acu | FruitFly: what are you talking about ? I have computers with 3 VGA cards (each with dual head) all running linux - and now I run a laptop with two monitors attached |
| 05:04.45 | magnavox | a refurbished i3 |
| 05:04.46 | acu | debian linux |
| 05:04.51 | magnavox | wouldn't spend more than 300 |
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| 05:05.02 | acu | slave ? |
| 05:05.08 | cafuego | yes? |
| 05:05.09 | fruitFly | cafuego: that $485 asus i'm planning on buying's got all of that, intel centrino, some people report 6 hrs battery, and comes with 8Gb expandable to 16, not to mention it's 14 inches matte display with backlit keyboard... and an i7 BOOM, i want more cores for kdenlive video editor |
| 05:05.42 | cafuego | fruitFly: Are you going to be producing feature length 1080p movies? |
| 05:05.43 | magnavox | always buy laptops with the min memory config and then upgrade after cuz cheaper |
| 05:06.09 | fruitFly | acu: AMD has better architecture? in what way? |
| 05:06.56 | buu | So uh |
| 05:06.58 | cafuego | laptop HDDs aren't *generally* great for video btw |
| 05:07.03 | magnavox | thats some troll feed there, best to ignore that comment |
| 05:07.11 | magnavox | the architecture one that is |
| 05:07.13 | mumpitzel | cafuego: more like they suck at it |
| 05:07.28 | magnavox | could have an ssd in a laptop |
| 05:07.33 | buu | Can I use dd to duplicate entire drives including partition tables? |
| 05:07.42 | mumpitzel | buu: yes |
| 05:07.42 | cafuego | buu: Yes |
| 05:07.46 | grimeton | buu: yeah, if the underlying drives are identical |
| 05:07.48 | acu | Of course, not only AMD have introduced first 64 bit - but the BUldozer 8 core FX cpus are the same as in interalogs - I run genomics servers on those - intel is good, but is way more expensive - and again if you read what I said before, I dislike slavery and monopoly (though the way we go, is almost unavoidable) :) |
| 05:07.54 | buu | grimeton: What if they're not at all identical? |
| 05:07.55 | cafuego | buu: Tip: target drive should be >= source |
| 05:07.56 | acu | buu use dd |
| 05:07.59 | acu | !dd |
| 05:07.59 | dpkg | dd is probably an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 05:08.04 | grimeton | intel actually licensed the "semi 64bits" from amd |
| 05:08.05 | fruitFly | magnavox: i wsn't being fecetious, I ask you questions because I'm ignorant and trying to learn. |
| 05:08.13 | grimeton | buu: you can run into location troubles |
| 05:08.34 | cafuego | buu: If the target drive is bigger you just end up with a bunch of unpartitioned space |
| 05:08.37 | buu | cafuego: So: existing debian system, new drive (ssd), dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/ssd; remove sda, reboot? |
| 05:08.56 | cafuego | buu: no |
| 05:08.58 | magnavox | pretty sure 64bit CPUs existed before amd64 |
| 05:09.00 | buu | =[ |
| 05:09.05 | grimeton | buu: if the block size doesn't match or the drive is differently organized you end up with partitions not ending on block ends and stuff, that's not really nice |
| 05:09.17 | acu | magnavox, yes RISC not CISC |
| 05:09.18 | buu | grimeton: That would make me sad. |
| 05:09.25 | cafuego | buu: You'll want to partition the ssd with a modern fdisk, then rsync the data |
| 05:09.42 | buu | cafuego: Oh really? |
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| 05:09.52 | cafuego | buu: block size/align etc etc |
| 05:09.53 | magnavox | + didn't all the alpha people make amd64 when they moved to amd? |
| 05:09.57 | fruitFly | cafuego: mumpitzel yes I know laptops are nto good for editing videos relatively, but I want to be able to edit on the go and I found a nice open source video editor Kdenlive that is not GPU intensive at all (only for a select few plugins) and hd400 is fine, I would benefit from a stronger cpu with more cores, however. I am planning to encode 1080p videos with it yes. |
| 05:10.12 | buu | cafuego: Does that get grub to make sure the new drive boots? |
| 05:10.23 | cafuego | fruitFly: more cores = more power and more heat |
| 05:10.36 | cafuego | buu: If you install and configure it, yes ;-) |
| 05:10.40 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: you would also profit from the ISA improvements haswell brings. this $485 i7 is not a haswell |
| 05:10.48 | buu | cafuego: Ha. |
| 05:10.48 | cafuego | buu: I usually do that via chroot after rsync |
| 05:10.56 | buu | ok |
| 05:10.58 | mumpitzel | !tell buu about fixboot |
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| 05:11.13 | mumpitzel | buu: if you move the whole drive as it is you will lose a lot of performance with the SSD |
| 05:11.19 | cafuego | and more power == less battery |
| 05:11.26 | buu | Sounds exciting. |
| 05:11.31 | buu | mumpitzel: Like what? |
| 05:11.35 | mumpitzel | cafuego: that's irrelevant for video editing |
| 05:11.51 | cafuego | mumpitzel: laptop |
| 05:12.11 | mumpitzel | cafuego: you only save battery when idle. it's not idle and when editing, one also has AC on |
| 05:12.12 | cafuego | mumpitzel: You don't really wanthe laptop to shutdown 20% into the final render |
| 05:12.38 | mumpitzel | cafuego: you do not render on battery cause then it's empty in an hour, no matter which cpu |
| 05:12.49 | klync | +1 mumpitzel |
| 05:14.15 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: you MUST also compile x264 yourself to take advantage of all the great improvements in haswell btw |
| 05:14.17 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: cafuego I'm not going to be editing all the time and would likely be plugged in. My cpu may get hot, but it won't get burnt up right? The cheapest i7 haswell I found was this $750 clevo but I don't know how compatible it is with debian and it's 15.6 inches with less battery life and I'm not sure if it's worth it |
| 05:14.27 | buu | mumpitzel: What kind of performance do you lose going to the ssd like that? |
| 05:14.40 | cafuego | fruitFly: If it's designed right it shouldn't catch fire :-) |
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| 05:15.19 | cafuego | If it does catch fire, you should be able to claim warranty (unless it's a feature) |
| 05:15.22 | mumpitzel | buu: ~20-30% usually |
| 05:15.30 | buu | mumpitzel: I mean.. why and how? |
| 05:15.31 | fruitFly | cafuego: i7-3632QM, here's the device: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231046&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5679891&SID= |
| 05:15.36 | klync | lol @ unless it's a feature |
| 05:15.38 | magnavox | yeah and have your groin melted |
| 05:15.41 | buu | mumpitzel: And is the only other option reinstalling? |
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| 05:16.19 | cafuego | can you get that without the scratched and dented windows 8? |
| 05:17.07 | klync | remembers that he can't judge good deals today since the price point changes from week to week |
| 05:17.22 | mumpitzel | cafuego: who cares. laptops with windows are cheaper than with linux. doesn't mean he has to use it |
| 05:17.25 | cafuego | seems cheap without the 50% australia tax :-P |
| 05:17.36 | gnarface | hello people. i'm trying to do a digital recording with a CMI8738-MC6 and i can now confirm that even the wheezy backports kernel just gives me an i/o error too. can anyone tell me of the last time this was known to work? the internet generally says it should work. |
| 05:17.56 | fruitFly | I could also buy the first haswell clevo on this page, but I don't know how it runs on debian http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-clevo-sager-notebooks-ct-95_51_162.html you can upgrade to an i7-4700QM for $75 |
| 05:18.02 | mumpitzel | but "scratch and dent" is not a good idea |
| 05:18.03 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: cafuego ^ |
| 05:18.11 | klync | gnarface: what is the error you see? have you tried compiling a kernel for low latency with make-kpkg? |
| 05:18.49 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: get the sager |
| 05:19.43 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: why? |
| 05:19.47 | cafuego | notes one of them has "Battery life: 1+ hours" |
| 05:20.28 | mumpitzel | cafuego: they are gaming laptops.... |
| 05:20.43 | cafuego | Yes. Not a market segment I understand. |
| 05:21.08 | grimeton | there are also dual battery laptops |
| 05:21.10 | gnarface | klync: uh, no, but that is an interesting thought... the actual error is: arecord: pcm_read:1801: read error: Input/output error (but mencoder gives a very similar error) |
| 05:21.24 | buu | cafuego: Gaming laptops are really just portable desktops, heh |
| 05:21.26 | buu | Luggables! |
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| 05:21.41 | cafuego | I have a 5kg HP here |
| 05:21.46 | buu | jesus |
| 05:21.53 | buu | And I thought my mbp was heavy |
| 05:21.57 | cafuego | :-) |
| 05:22.07 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: could you please go in and check the configurment options of the first sager and tell me what you recommend, for example there is an option to change the wlan card, and for a different heat sync material, there is even IPS etc. I think the only things I would probably do are the i7 upgrade and the wlan upgrade but I want to knowwhat you think |
| 05:22.10 | gnarface | klync: nobody on the alsa wiki mentions that as having been necessary though, and fyi the analog capture works fine. (and before you ask YES i know its a model that supports spdif in, the inputs are clearly labeled "spdif in" right next to the ones labled "spdif out") |
| 05:22.14 | cafuego | this thing could kill you if it hit you from 10 cm up |
| 05:22.18 | buu | haha |
| 05:22.22 | buu | Yeah |
| 05:22.42 | buu | cafuego: Is it just super old or what? |
| 05:22.49 | cafuego | yep |
| 05:22.58 | klync | gnarface: bug in that particular sound card? have you googled that error with the pci device id? |
| 05:23.04 | grimeton | the T-series thinkpads have the same problem, together with their magnesia frames you can reorganize the teeth of the notebook thief without having a scratch on the thinkpad |
| 05:23.06 | buu | Yeah I was examining an old dell that's like 4kg |
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| 05:23.16 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: and why do you recommend the sager more? how well do you think it will be supported by debian? I checked the asus nic's and they are supported has an intel wlan etc. |
| 05:23.23 | klync | gnarface: |
| 05:23.28 | klync | pcm read... |
| 05:23.31 | cafuego | 1st gen core2 duo somethingsomething |
| 05:23.36 | buu | cafuego: It's kind of depressing to realize that it would more efficient to just run a vm with a cpu thread dedicated to it than to actually boot up the laptop and try to run a program on it |
| 05:24.07 | cafuego | buu: This laptop is actually a fair bit faster than my desktop :-/ |
| 05:24.14 | buu | Now that's just sad. |
| 05:24.22 | klync | buu: lol. that's pretty much what i think when i'm looking at my phone sometimes, with my laptop sitting idle beside me |
| 05:24.26 | buu | cafuego: Get an amd or something! |
| 05:24.34 | cafuego | buu: I *have* an AMD! |
| 05:24.42 | cafuego | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ |
| 05:24.43 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: get the special thermal paste and better cooling. you will need those since you run at 100% load for a long time. the IPS display would be worth it too. for the cpu the fastest you can afford of course |
| 05:25.03 | buu | cafuego: That's slower than a core2 duo? But I meant a modern amd, heh. |
| 05:25.25 | cafuego | buu: yeah the desktop is creaky and groany |
| 05:25.26 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: the rest doesn't matter. a 256GB SSD would be nice but if you want one, you buy yourself a sandisk ultra plus 256GB and put it in yourself |
| 05:25.36 | buu | cafuego: =[ |
| 05:25.59 | cafuego | 's ok. I don't run gentoo, so it's fast enough ;-) |
| 05:25.59 | buu | cafuego: Now I feel all spoiled. |
| 05:26.02 | buu | haha |
| 05:26.06 | gnarface | klync: yea it looks like a bug in the kernel, alsa or the cmipci driver itself. the error shows up in google repeatedly but nobody has responded to it. wiki entries show it is reported to at least HAVE WORKED ONCE from multiple sources |
| 05:26.07 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: xoticpc isn't that bad usually since they sell laptops without windows licenses, many linux users like it: no windows tax |
| 05:26.14 | buu | I've been spending all my time recompiling ffmpeg |
| 05:26.38 | cafuego | I could do that on the server, but meh |
| 05:26.40 | gnarface | klync: the google entries about it having NOT worked don't have clear dates/versions |
| 05:26.47 | klync | gnarface: dayum. i don't know how well you know C .... |
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| 05:26.54 | Hydroxide | usually the windows tax actually reduces the cost, fwiw ... not in a perfect world it wouldn't, but in the real world of october 2013 given the economics of the mass-market computer business |
| 05:27.00 | klync | :( |
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| 05:27.08 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: and yes, 8GB is needed too. 16GB is good for videoediting too but of course pricier again |
| 05:27.38 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: I'm only producing like simple 5minute 1080 clips, not media productions, you think the other i7 is gonna burn up or something? what problem do you see with the other machine |
| 05:27.48 | mumpitzel | Hydroxide: it does, but still USian linux users like xoticpc for not having to subsidize redmond |
| 05:28.29 | klync | gnarface: still, how do you feel about compiling kernels? bc there may be a combo of kernel version + driver version that doesn't have this error, but you might not find that precompiled for you. i don't know this particular error, but i wrestled with realtime kernels back in 2.4 and when 2.6 was new for a while |
| 05:28.31 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: consumer laptops have bad cooling. they are not built for actually running a quadcore for long periods of time. which is why the better cooling system is the most important part |
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| 05:29.17 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: the better cooled the laptop is, the longer will last |
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| 05:29.35 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: some dudes over on the video editing forum said they ran the sma eprocessor I'm looking at just fine, germans with hundreds of posts and shiz |
| 05:29.36 | gnarface | klync: i'm not afraid of compiling kernels, but i just installed the wheezy backports kernel and it didn't work. what i'd need is a specific kernel (and maybe also alsa?) version known working to aim at first, or i'll be compiling kernels for months... |
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| 05:30.02 | gnarface | klync: unfortunately even the alsa wiki doesn't mention a date or kernel/alsa version it was known to work in |
| 05:30.46 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: in laptops? and in what exact laptops? |
| 05:30.48 | klync | gnarface: where does the cmipci driver come from? that's what i'd look at finding the "best" version of ... perhaps even with the firmware rev of your card |
| 05:31.57 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: yes, not sure, doubt it was something super spec, he said i could even get an i5 with 4GB, for just crendering 5-10min 1080p clips, he was very casual and frank, and seemed active.. and german |
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| 05:33.20 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: i would consider the sager but I think the i7 would be the smartes upgrade for lower rendering times. and maybe the diamond thermal paste, but I don't know if I could justify the copper heat sync for $80, I am saving to start a food forest |
| 05:34.13 | gnarface | klync: well, i thought it'd be bundled with the backports kernel but maybe i should compile alsa myself :-/ the alsa wiki didn't mention any need for non-free firmware. |
| 05:35.35 | klync | no, maybe firmware wasn't the best word. i just mean the source of cmipci might work best on a certain kernel rev, and there might be certain versions of cmipci that work with your exact model / rev of card using that chipset, whatever it is |
| 05:35.57 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: what did you think of the wlan upgrade options though? default was just sager gbn, and there was an intel option and a bigfoot option? |
| 05:36.24 | klync | so, go hardware -> driver -> kernel ver -> alsa ver in terms of seeing what you might benefit from recompiling |
| 05:36.51 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: the copper heatsink is more important than the paste |
| 05:37.06 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: if you want an upgrade then intel only, not the bigfoot |
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| 05:37.29 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: e.g. if the sager is a atheros chip it's fine. if it's a bad realtek or ralink then not. so I dannot say |
| 05:37.31 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: but would the default clevo work with debian you think? |
| 05:37.36 | mumpitzel | xoticpc has forums afaik. ask there |
| 05:37.43 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: ok |
| 05:37.47 | mumpitzel | it would imho |
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| 05:39.50 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: i'll by the clevo if you send me a bitcoin |
| 05:40.06 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: i'm struggling here |
| 05:40.22 | gnarface | klync: yea i follow you. it'd be nice if anyone still had this device on a machine they still had it working on though so i could compare version #'s of everything... save myself a lot of trial&error |
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| 05:41.14 | klync | gnarface: last i checked there were also debian addon repos for music too. wish i remembered the name atm |
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| 05:42.10 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: going to a good cause, i'm advertising the sustainable community building we're doing out here in south west florida, food forest design, construction, solar, and trying to advertise labor oppurtunities for interested people, land is only like 20k for 5 acres out here, and EMPTY, so much productivity to be done here in naples |
| 05:43.25 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: me and my partner are building our own food forest right now on 5 acres and we're soon gonna need people to help us pick the fruits etc, and we'll feed them and house, and help distribute locally |
| 05:43.29 | klync | fruitFly: sweet. is there an estimated date until you're under salt water? |
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| 05:44.16 | fruitFly | klync: i don't remember the actual measurment, but we're considerably higher than sea level |
| 05:44.43 | urn | what's a food forest? |
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| 05:45.24 | fruitFly | klync: not to mention we we're raising the level of our land by creating mounds and mulching, the whole world would have to melt and your mother in order to reach us |
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| 05:46.31 | fruitFly | anywhoo, i may just buy this $485 asus and blow on it |
| 05:46.40 | klync | fruitFly: nice. how about this, for probably $5k? https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.713449,-82.270628&spn=0.009139,0.020492&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=45.713449,-82.270628&panoid=OpfaIZJcVAuMzt2r6xOw3w&cbp=12,8.41,,0,0 |
| 05:46.54 | fruitFly | ky you can get an acre for about that |
| 05:47.22 | klync | aw, there i'm talking about 15 to 25, depending |
| 05:48.10 | klync | notes this is not very #debian, wonders where the "social" channel is |
| 05:48.25 | buu | defocus |
| 05:48.37 | klync | slash-cesspool |
| 05:48.55 | grimeton | klync: a channel where people are talking to eachother makes it more friendly |
| 05:49.16 | fruitFly | klync: i can't see what you linked, what is it? |
| 05:49.29 | fruitFly | klync: i running on a pentium .5 gig ram lol |
| 05:50.27 | fruitFly | klync: what did u show me? 15-25k could get you 5acres of agricultural land, property tax $250/year |
| 05:50.41 | fruitFly | klync: $150/ year *** |
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| 05:53.16 | klync | fruitFly: the canadian side of the us border, a wonderful island on the great lakes |
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| 05:53.44 | klync | ... mind you, it ain't florida; you'd need greenhouses to grow between oct and nov, mar and may |
| 05:54.08 | klync | (and just no to dec - feb) |
| 05:55.40 | klync | fruitFly: idunno what taxes are - prob $200 per year plus more if there was a permanent stucture, and/or electricity, gas, or water |
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| 05:56.36 | klync | https://www.google.ca/search?q=20ha+in+acres says 50acres ... that's about one parcel there, on manitoulin island |
| 05:57.04 | fruitFly | klync: $150/year for land tax, and if you have a house it's another several hundreds depending on the size |
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| 05:57.37 | fruitFly | klync: how much? |
| 05:58.39 | fruitFly | klync: i'm sticking int he tropics because you can yield more calories and $ per unit land and resource etc. |
| 05:58.40 | klync | $5k to $10k would get you one of those ~50 acre lots, probably; and i think no services might be about $200 per year in property tax. but the winters are cold |
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| 05:58.58 | klync | fruitFly: yeah, definitely. i like this bc it's near me :D |
| 05:59.01 | fruitFly | klync: may get land in ecuador or somewhere, 2.55 acres for $800 |
| 05:59.10 | fruitFly | 2.5* |
| 05:59.33 | fruitFly | klync: nah, you wanna come by me bro, you would never leave |
| 05:59.46 | fruitFly | klync: the agorism is ridiculous |
| 05:59.54 | klync | heh |
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| 06:15.01 | ses1984 | i just installed testing, and i'm trying to change my sources to unstable, and apt-get update has given me errors 'failed to fetch' security updates |
| 06:15.16 | ses1984 | here's my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/62884/ |
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| 06:16.18 | grimeton | ses1984: unstable? oneliner: echo "deb http://ftp.$country.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:17.08 | IPTABLESNO | hello? |
| 06:17.44 | themill | ses1984: there's no unstable/updates repository. Are you sure you know enough about Debian to be trying to run unstable at this stage? |
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| 06:18.38 | ses1984 | probably not |
| 06:18.44 | ses1984 | but i'm trying to learn |
| 06:18.47 | themill | ;) |
| 06:19.14 | grimeton | ses1984: go for unstable - the only way to really learn it |
| 06:19.38 | themill | and as a bonus, grimeton is promising to be at call for you 24/7 to answer your questions |
| 06:19.45 | ses1984 | i've been using ubuntu for 8 years |
| 06:20.20 | cafuego | well then you know what unstable is like ;-P |
| 06:20.35 | acu | ses1984, ubuntu was not here 8 years ago, something is fishy |
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| 06:20.54 | ses1984 | 7 years then |
| 06:20.57 | acu | lol |
| 06:21.01 | ses1984 | almost 8 |
| 06:21.19 | cafuego | more than 8 |
| 06:21.26 | IPTABLESNO | Hey guys, I'm trying to crosscompile iptables and xtables. When looking in the net/ipv4/netfilter and net/netfilter folders, I'm only seeing one of either match or target (i.e. ipt_ECN.c but not ipt_ecn.c). I'm on 2.6.24.4 armv5tejl GNU/Linux and using WD-MyBookWorld-v1.02.12-GPL as the source code. Any ideas where I went wrong? |
| 06:21.46 | ses1984 | i actually started in 2006 |
| 06:21.47 | cafuego | Warty is from 2004 isn't it? |
| 06:22.03 | grimeton | IPTABLESNO: i wonder if that function is available for that arch ... no kidding |
| 06:22.04 | acu | first, I would use Debian Wheezy - is modern, rock solid and a good start- then move to other versions |
| 06:22.40 | ses1984 | i think the docs for switching to unstable are a little off, unless they're intentionally wrong to steer noobies clear or something |
| 06:22.48 | IPTABLESNO | haha bummer |
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| 06:24.07 | ses1984 | in one place it said replace every instance of testing with unstable, and if you do that, you see that security updates aren't found |
| 06:24.27 | ses1984 | i was looking into that and elsewhere it says that security updates aren't managed by the security team for unstable, so maybe that's related? |
| 06:24.33 | grimeton | ses1984: unstable is up2date - there is no need to patch older version with security updates |
| 06:24.46 | themill | fsvo up to date |
| 06:24.57 | ses1984 | i see |
| 06:26.25 | ses1984 | i'm specifically coming to unstable because a samba guy told me they had made some progress that made it in to debian unstable |
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| 06:26.47 | cafuego | a samba guy? |
| 06:27.19 | cafuego | you could try a samba backport on wheezy, rather than upgrade the whole machine. |
| 06:27.20 | ses1984 | abartlett |
| 06:27.26 | ses1984 | abarlet |
| 06:27.31 | cafuego | Ah yes, he *would* know :-) |
| 06:27.32 | ses1984 | abartlet . |
| 06:28.15 | ses1984 | hah |
| 06:28.51 | cafuego | But yeah, I'd try a backport first |
| 06:28.53 | ses1984 | i love running into developers on irc |
| 06:29.26 | Lady_Aleena | When I set up Debian, are there any user name rules I must abide by? |
| 06:29.34 | cafuego | you could fly to Perth in January, you'd run into them IRL :-) |
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| 06:30.13 | cafuego | Lady_Aleena: Used to be <= 8 characters, alphanumeric. Not sure that still applies. |
| 06:30.14 | ses1984 | as much as i would love that, i could not afford to go and my employer would never send me to that |
| 06:30.39 | cafuego | ses1984: Propose a talk for next year's and ask for a scholarship. |
| 06:30.59 | Lady_Aleena | cafuego, or I could just use "default" and be done with it, right? |
| 06:31.04 | cafuego | Lady_Aleena: yep |
| 06:31.18 | cafuego | anyhting not alpahnumeric is an extra keypress eh |
| 06:32.31 | cafuego | Lady_Aleena: also, you can change a username easily enough, you just need to change it in all the right places. |
| 06:32.38 | Lady_Aleena | Or better yet, "home" for a shorter command line, if command lines look similar to Windows (without the drive letters of course). |
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| 06:32.52 | themill | Lady_Aleena: istr people having problems with names that were not lowercase (can't remember if that was hostname or username though) |
| 06:33.00 | cafuego | Lady_Aleena: You can customise the commandline independently |
| 06:33.14 | cafuego | themill: uppercase is an extra keypress ;-) |
| 06:33.29 | themill | sure. wouldn't pick that sort of thing myself |
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| 06:33.53 | Lady_Aleena | I don't think I will go as far as customizing the command lines until I have everything else set up, including finding out where I should put my documents. |
| 06:34.07 | themill | also, changing usernames is a right pain... you'd be amazed how many dotfiles have either the username or home directory stuck in them somewhere |
| 06:34.08 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: username cannot start with '-' |
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| 06:34.22 | cafuego | or # I expect |
| 06:34.30 | themill | ir : |
| 06:34.33 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, I was thinking "Lady_Aleena", but that may be too long. |
| 06:34.52 | cafuego | Lady_Aleena: That should work, but it will probably get truncated in some places. |
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| 06:35.13 | cafuego | Like in the processlist output |
| 06:35.16 | Lady_Aleena | cafuego, Debian better not truncate my file names. |
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| 06:35.30 | cafuego | LADYALEE.NA |
| 06:35.48 | cafuego | Nobody will ever need more than 8.3 |
| 06:36.23 | Lady_Aleena | I will! I have file names which are very long in places. |
| 06:36.58 | Lady_Aleena | And there are file names with spaces in them. |
| 06:37.08 | cafuego | Yeah, that's all fine. |
| 06:37.18 | cafuego | You can't have files names "." or ".." |
| 06:37.54 | Lady_Aleena | cafuego, you mean a single or double dot with nothing else, right? |
| 06:38.00 | cafuego | yep |
| 06:38.09 | Lady_Aleena | Then, duh. ;) |
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| 06:38.40 | cafuego | Which sadly means your username can also not be "." or "..". |
| 06:39.00 | cafuego | Well, not by default, as the script would try to make a homedir /home/.. for you. |
| 06:39.13 | Lady_Aleena | cafuego, 'home' will hopefully suffice. |
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| 06:40.56 | Lady_Aleena | I'm backing up my files to a 4th place right now. I will be doing the 5th soon. I will not lose my work again. |
| 06:41.28 | cafuego | Are they geographically distant places? |
| 06:41.41 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry, 3rd place, then 4th place, then maybe a 5th place. I want to have backups for my backup's backups. |
| 06:42.01 | Lady_Aleena | In different rooms of my house. |
| 06:42.16 | cafuego | Not fire proof. |
| 06:42.47 | Lady_Aleena | There is no where else I trust unfortunately. |
| 06:42.56 | cafuego | You can trust the NSA. |
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| 06:44.14 | grimeton | that most of the encryption is compromised anyway |
| 06:44.21 | grimeton | s/that/notes that/ |
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| 06:44.48 | justinas | I solved the problem from last night, when the primary laptop's display was blanked after boot. |
| 06:45.03 | justinas | Apparently, the solution was here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167518 |
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| 06:45.36 | peterrooney | cafuego: I don't think there's anything in the rules preventing a username from being . - only from $HOME being /home/. |
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| 06:45.52 | peterrooney | runs off to experiment and maybe hose his machine |
| 06:45.56 | cafuego | :-) |
| 06:45.57 | grimeton | i don't think "-" won't work |
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| 06:46.34 | justinas | Basically, for some curious reason, if you enable UEFI only boot (especially if you do Secure boot, which I did), the CSM option gets disabled and then, d'oh, the screen gets blank after boot. |
| 06:46.36 | grimeton | i don't think "-" will work |
| 06:46.38 | grimeton | wtf |
| 06:46.39 | cafuego | # and ; might work, but you'd have a hard time with some config files |
| 06:46.42 | Lady_Aleena | At least I have a better idea of what I will be installing with Debian. |
| 06:46.44 | f-a | probably naive question: I have installed packet X with apt-get. How to know which executables where installed? |
| 06:47.05 | grimeton | f-a: dpkg -L X | grep -i bin |
| 06:47.07 | f-a | (as in, bsdgames installs hangman, hack, etc.) |
| 06:47.12 | cafuego | f-a: dpkg -l X | grep bin |
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| 06:47.20 | cafuego | -L yes, soz |
| 06:47.20 | themill | games can be in /usr/games too |
| 06:47.38 | f-a | thanks |
| 06:47.39 | grimeton | dpkg -L X | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done |
| 06:47.39 | dpkg | ii X | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done 1.6-3.3 grimeton's private stamp collection |
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| 06:47.43 | cafuego | you can always not grep |
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| 06:48.34 | cafuego | grimeton: You surreptitious eval? |
| 06:48.38 | cafuego | s/You/No/ |
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| 06:48.46 | cafuego | i fail at the things |
| 06:48.54 | grimeton | cafuego: wot? |
| 06:49.12 | cafuego | dpkg -L X | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && eval echo "$line"; done |
| 06:49.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching X | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && eval echo "$line"; done |
| 06:49.19 | cafuego | dpkg: i bet |
| 06:49.19 | dpkg | cafuego: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:49.27 | f-a | so I guess r-base doesn't install any binary, right? |
| 06:49.27 | cafuego | dpkg: cafuego? |
| 06:49.27 | dpkg | [cafuego] god, or the devil, or available now from http://www.cafuego.net/ and maybe a crackwhore. See also 'cafuego disclaimer', or teh r0x0rxz and Marvin the Paranoid Android, or unfairly accused of redirecting careless newbies to #shell. Also a sell-out. |
| 06:49.36 | cafuego | omg it's still there :-) |
| 06:49.41 | grimeton | dpkg -L vim-nox | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done |
| 06:49.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching vim-nox | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done |
| 06:49.46 | grimeton | dpkg -L vim- | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done |
| 06:49.47 | dpkg | ii vim- | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done 3.5-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:49.54 | grimeton | ... |
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| 06:51.29 | _KaszpiR_ | dpkg -S <package> |
| 06:51.30 | dpkg | Package: <package>: Status: install ok installed |
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| 06:51.49 | f-a | gents, dpkg -L r-base | grep -i bin <-- no output |
| 06:51.57 | f-a | (while I expected "R" or someting) |
| 06:52.08 | Lady_Aleena | You all will be here for me when something doesn't work after I install right? (I'll be on another computer while crying.) |
| 06:52.30 | grimeton | f-a: dpkg -L X | while read line; do [[ -x "$line" ]] && echo "$line"; done |
| 06:52.35 | themill | f-a: it's in a different package: apt-file search bin/R |
| 06:52.46 | peterrooney | well, it turns out that "adduser --force-badname --home /home/dot ." works, as does "su - ." afterwards. |
| 06:52.58 | Dewi | peterrooney: cute |
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| 06:53.18 | cafuego | peterrooney: Now rename `root' to `.' for extra security. |
| 06:53.19 | f-a | grimeton, themill |
| 06:53.34 | f-a | thanks, I mean |
| 06:54.27 | cafuego | wow. |
| 06:54.31 | cafuego | dpkg: factinfo cafuego |
| 06:54.31 | dpkg | cafuego -- last modified at Tue May 4 00:01:20 2004 by cafuego!~cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:bad:beef; it has been requested 34 times, last by cafuego, 5m 4s ago; it has been locked by cafuego. |
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| 06:56.20 | peterrooney | trying it without specifying HOME leads to warnings but not failures; logging in leads to mass errors because . doesn't have permissions to make files in /home - and cafuego, such a renaming is evil and insecure. |
| 06:56.46 | cafuego | peterrooney: Oh you could add a homedir via /etc/passwd and set that to whatever |
| 06:57.13 | grimeton | the scripts aren't pebcak-safe |
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| 06:58.26 | peterrooney | grimeton: even deities are not pebcak proof |
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| 07:02.47 | WyW | how should I configure oident on a debian box to respond to unix |
| 07:03.04 | WyW | I'm suspecting it responds to other atm |
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| 07:05.53 | pattonb | greetings, opinions on best program for searching a very large raid volume for file duplicates ? |
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| 07:06.40 | peterrooney | pattonb: fdupes |
| 07:07.43 | pattonb | peterrooney: thanks, any false positives I should be concerned with ? |
| 07:07.47 | peterrooney | pattonb: e.g. fdupes -r /medial/large/raid >duplicates ; wc dupes |
| 07:08.14 | peterrooney | pattonb: fdupes has some...unexpected behaviour regarding hardlinks and symlinks. |
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| 07:08.51 | pattonb | peterrooney: I can ignore those if I understand the man page |
| 07:09.00 | glossolalia | Can anyone recommend a nicer DNS server to use than the ones OpenDNS provide? |
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| 07:09.26 | pattonb | I did run it, and was surprised at the amount of files it found. but as I think about the client, anything is possible. |
| 07:09.28 | peterrooney | pattonb: don't ignore them, i would recommend being certain that the CAVEATS section does not apply in your case |
| 07:09.31 | glossolalia | I am tired of my /etc/resolv.conf being auto-edited when I join certain Wifi networks. I want to choose a nice service then edit resolv.conf and make it read-only |
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| 07:10.08 | pattonb | peterrooney: ok, thanks kindly |
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| 07:10.26 | schmackofatz | !paste |
| 07:10.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:11.36 | schmackofatz | hi, i have trouble with updateing my saystem. it worked before (don't thinik i changed anything) - here's apt-get's output http://paste.debian.net/62886/ |
| 07:11.46 | peterrooney | pattonb: I run fdupes every once in a while to figure out how badly I organize my files. |
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| 07:14.06 | cafuego | glossolalia: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:14.14 | cafuego | don't forget you did that |
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| 07:15.07 | themill | or better... correctly configure the things that are setting resolv.conf |
| 07:15.10 | glossolalia | cafuego: I know how to make the file read-only (I normally use chmod tho) but I am looking for people's educated recommendations on solid DNS servers to use. |
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| 07:16.05 | peterrooney | schmackofatz: readonly filesystem is relatively easy to check for - "mount | egrep '\bro\b' " should give a strong hint. As for the 406 error, that's a new one on me. |
| 07:16.27 | schmackofatz | peterrooney: yes, i'm already on the read only track... |
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| 07:16.41 | schmackofatz | /dev/disk/by-uuid/704d3e22-d2e9-4286-9fb3-97fc599a2c0f on / type ext4 (ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
| 07:16.51 | cafuego | glossolalia: if I ever get issues I tend to switch to google's, unless I run my own locally. |
| 07:17.02 | cafuego | glossolalia: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 07:17.11 | glossolalia | Hmm, I would probably prefer OpenDNS servers to Google's |
| 07:17.14 | schmackofatz | peterrooney: also dmesg shows that there are errors with the hdd... |
| 07:17.15 | schmackofatz | hm |
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| 07:17.43 | cafuego | I also wonder if there isn't a way to tell resolvconf to stop mesing with the file. |
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| 07:17.58 | themill | glossolalia: opendns breaks nxdomain. It's hard to recommend them at that stage. Also, there are plenty of networks out there that will break if you use nameservers other than their own |
| 07:18.06 | themill | dpkg: tell glossolalia about override dns |
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| 07:19.12 | schmackofatz | peterrooney: so... i'd ahve to remount my / as writeable... reboot? |
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| 07:21.11 | glossolalia | themill: Thank you for that helpful information. If you do not recommend OpenDNS, which would you find to be a superior generic solution? |
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| 07:22.01 | themill | glossolalia: If I don't want to use the local network's resolver, I normally use google dns |
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| 07:26.33 | grimeton | notes that you need to have external dns access for this to work |
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| 07:37.21 | mikeey | I have a script that mounts a few sshfs folders upon boot, what I'd like to do is check if the wireless LAN is online, if it is, continue and mount the folders, if it isn't, wait until the nic is online, then mount them. Does anyone have an example of how I could do this? |
| 07:39.10 | grimeton | mikeey: if [[ $(ip link show dev $wifi_device | grep LOWER_UP | wc -l) -gt 0 ]]; then echo wifi seems to be online; fi |
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| 07:43.11 | mikeey | cheers grimeton, I'll give it a go |
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| 07:46.21 | buu | mikeey: Why don't you attach the mount commands to the network-up/down scripts? |
| 07:47.12 | mikeey | buu: Because this script needs to run after KDE has started, as I take it the Network Manager is what connects to the wifi. |
| 07:47.36 | buu | mikeey: Er, yes, my point is the network manager will run a set of scripts when it successfully connects to wifi. |
| 07:47.44 | buu | That's where I stuck my network mount commands. |
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| 07:59.17 | anigma | Does anyone know what package 'screendump' belongs to? |
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| 07:59.28 | grimeton | apt-file search screendump |
| 07:59.34 | milligan | I have an *old* apache server (1.3.27) that is acting up and hogging the CPU. If I strace the PID of the processes that are seemingly stuck, I see a lot of "read(14, 0x8e7c950, 8192) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" . Any suggestions to how I can find what it's trying to get hold of and what script is failing ? |
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| 08:00.07 | grimeton | milligan: i'd check if a harddrive is planing to die soon |
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| 08:00.20 | anigma | grimeton: apt-file does not work |
| 08:00.54 | grimeton | anigma: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search screendump |
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| 08:01.41 | milligan | grimeton, the disks seem OK. Not getting read/write errors etc. |
| 08:02.06 | grimeton | milligan: yeah but ressource temporarily unavailable ... what about running lsof -n and grepping for the pid that is causing the problems? |
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| 08:57.33 | co | hi,some website are broken to me, this is due to a failure on the internet provider site. I known how to tunnel http trafic via ssh and firefox, but i would like to do the same for the whole system. Is there any simple solution? (im root on the client side) |
| 08:57.56 | grimeton | co: that's called VPN |
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| 08:58.23 | co | grimeton: to me vpn sounds complicated. No other choice? |
| 08:58.29 | grimeton | co: no, not really |
| 08:59.13 | co | grimeton: ok, i'll go for that, thanks. Also if you have a pointer, i take it :) |
| 08:59.14 | Benkinooby | hi, i had some errors in my ext4 (mount /) and fixed them (live system. fsck.ext4 -y) computer boots al right and gdm is ok too. but if i log in (fluxbox) it says it can't start my session and will give me an xterm. from that xterm i can start fluxbox but i see that its config files (~/.fluxbox) are not correct anymore. pruging fluxbox and reinstalling didn't help :/ what now? |
| 08:59.42 | grimeton | Benkinooby: moving the config files of fluxbox in your $HOME out of the way? |
| 08:59.43 | Benkinooby | interestingly, purgin fluxbox will not remove ./fluxbox |
| 08:59.57 | grimeton | Benkinooby: that's not interesting, that's expected |
| 09:00.04 | Benkinooby | why |
| 09:00.11 | grimeton | purging removes config files in /etc |
| 09:00.12 | Benkinooby | i thought purge will remove all configs too |
| 09:00.13 | grimeton | not in $HOME |
| 09:00.15 | Benkinooby | ah! |
| 09:00.17 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 09:00.18 | Raon | co, why not ssh tunelling with proxy for your infrastructure? |
| 09:00.32 | Benkinooby | grimeton: so pruge && rm .fluxbox ? |
| 09:00.41 | grimeton | Benkinooby: just rm .fluxbox -r |
| 09:00.56 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 09:01.05 | Benkinooby | now reinstalling |
| 09:01.39 | Benkinooby | after reinstall, i don't have .fluxbox |
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| 09:01.49 | grimeton | Benkinooby: start fluxbox |
| 09:01.51 | Benkinooby | ~/.fluxbox |
| 09:01.52 | Benkinooby | ok |
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| 09:02.46 | co | Raon: because i dont know how to do so. Im trying, for now the only tunnel I know is 'ssh -D localhost:port remotehost', then configure FF to use socks5 |
| 09:02.58 | Benkinooby | ok, startfluxbox - ofc didn't work becasue of gdm, but now i have ~/.fluxbox BUT! ~./fluxbox/init is still messed up Oo |
| 09:03.09 | Benkinooby | grimeton: ^ |
| 09:03.14 | grimeton | Benkinooby: then unmess it ... |
| 09:03.17 | grimeton | wtf? |
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| 09:03.26 | grimeton | co: you really want to read into VPN - REALLY |
| 09:03.51 | Benkinooby | hm, i don't even know where fluxbox get's that messed up file from... |
| 09:04.06 | grimeton | Benkinooby: if in doubt check for something fluxboxy in /etc |
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| 09:04.39 | Benkinooby | nuffn |
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| 09:04.48 | co | grimeton: i will, i understand i should know a minimum about that |
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| 09:07.50 | Benkinooby | how can it be that after a purge && rm -r ~/.fluxbox && install && startfluxbox still the files in .fluxbox are corrupted (in exactly the same way they were before) |
| 09:08.34 | grimeton | Benkinooby: maybe your filesystem is really messed up |
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| 09:09.18 | Benkinooby | grimeton: well i fixed it with live cd and it said it's ok now... |
| 09:09.26 | grimeton | Benkinooby: which doesn't mean it is |
| 09:09.29 | Benkinooby | i'll run the fsck.ext4 again |
| 09:09.31 | grimeton | e.g. if the underlying device is broken |
| 09:09.37 | Benkinooby | hm |
| 09:09.50 | grimeton | life's a bitch |
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| 09:10.09 | Benkinooby | grimeton: in this case it's the hdd |
| 09:10.14 | Benkinooby | life is nice in general |
| 09:11.31 | Benkinooby | grimeton: seems like all other files are ok |
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| 09:11.46 | Benkinooby | lemme test: i mod a file thats OK, then pruge remove and all that |
| 09:12.00 | grimeton | Benkinooby: you got backups right? |
| 09:12.02 | Benkinooby | and the will see if the mod persist in the modded OK-fiel |
| 09:12.31 | Benkinooby | grimeton: no, it's a work computer i just set up a few days agao. officially i am supposed to mac but i can't get warm with it at best will |
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| 09:12.41 | Benkinooby | so they gave me a spare computer |
| 09:12.50 | Benkinooby | hdd should be OK though |
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| 09:15.10 | Benkinooby | throwing in a reboot before reinstall, just to be sure |
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| 09:16.22 | Benkinooby | grimeton: hm, when i install fluxbox, it says: need to get 0/XYZ MB |
| 09:16.29 | Benkinooby | grimeton: so it's not downloading it... |
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| 09:17.25 | Benkinooby | grimeton: ok, changes in modded OK-file disappeared, mess in init persists |
| 09:17.38 | Benkinooby | init is a file in .fluxbox |
| 09:17.47 | grimeton | Benkinooby: then fix it |
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| 09:53.15 | jzk1 | Can anyone tell me why I can't get this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libkvm-dev to appear in my apt? |
| 09:53.53 | jzk1 | what is this about kfreebsd? |
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| 09:54.20 | HD|Laptop | Hey all |
| 09:54.29 | abrotman | jzk1: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 09:54.38 | HD|Laptop | I have an ages-not-updated debian system (last upgrade was ~1.5yrs ago) |
| 09:54.46 | HD|Laptop | and I need to install mysql on it |
| 09:55.06 | jzk1 | abrotman: amd64 |
| 09:55.09 | HD|Laptop | how do I find out which exact version of mysql I can install without having to upgrade anything? |
| 09:55.31 | abrotman | jzk1: right, so that package isnt for your architecture |
| 09:55.57 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: apt-cache policy mysql-server |
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| 09:56.55 | jzk1 | blasphemy, it's the linux kernel virtual machine! :-( |
| 09:57.04 | HD|Laptop | abrotman: shows me 5.5.33+dfsg-1 but this would require a lot of upgrades |
| 09:57.12 | abrotman | jzk1: no |
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| 09:57.23 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: it would? |
| 09:57.30 | grimeton | he ran apt-get update already |
| 09:57.34 | grimeton | bad idea |
| 09:58.02 | HD|Laptop | ages ago I srt up a cronjob for update |
| 09:58.09 | abrotman | eeeeeeeeyou mean he had sources pointing at "stable" |
| 09:58.20 | abrotman | nice, thanks phone ... |
| 09:58.21 | HD|Laptop | abrotman: my sources point at "testing"... |
| 09:58.29 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: even better!q |
| 09:58.51 | HD|Laptop | this is the case with servers you leave dusting in a rack :D |
| 09:58.52 | abrotman | you could try pointing them at wheezy and see what breaks |
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| 09:59.05 | abrotman | it wont be prettty |
| 09:59.17 | grimeton | i'd create a backup and then upgrade |
| 09:59.34 | abrotman | would fire the admin |
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| 10:00.10 | HD|Laptop | abrotman: it works, no upgrade required anymore^^ |
| 10:00.11 | HD|Laptop | thanks |
| 10:00.19 | abrotman | okay then ... |
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| 10:00.45 | HD|Laptop | abrotman: as far as I read the docs, this server was not updated bcause of a PHP upgrade that would have broken ancient software... |
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| 10:01.01 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: that's a bad excuse :) |
| 10:01.09 | grimeton | thats reality |
| 10:01.20 | abrotman | fix the dang php, or run it in a chroot |
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| 10:01.36 | grimeton | HD|Laptop: sometimes it's a good idea to have a local mirror of the debian tree the day you installed the box =) |
| 10:01.36 | abrotman | grimeton: no, that's a bad admin |
| 10:01.38 | HD|Laptop | i'm setting up a new server anyway, but it needs time :D |
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| 10:01.52 | grimeton | abrotman: that's reality |
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| 10:02.15 | abrotman | see above, fired |
| 10:02.20 | HD|Laptop | abrotman: it's at least better than at my old job, i had the pleasure of meeting a 6y-old red hat server |
| 10:02.28 | HD|Laptop | doing LDAP |
| 10:02.32 | grimeton | awesome |
| 10:02.46 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: was it serving public php? |
| 10:02.48 | HD|Laptop | no one cared aout it, until somehow its database got corrupted |
| 10:02.51 | abrotman | is this one? |
| 10:02.53 | HD|Laptop | nope^^ |
| 10:02.57 | HD|Laptop | nope too |
| 10:03.03 | grimeton | HD|Laptop: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/epic-uptime-achievement-can-you-beat-16-years/ |
| 10:03.09 | abrotman | ah, not as evil, but not good |
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| 10:03.29 | HD|Laptop | internal servers are never kept up to date |
| 10:03.46 | HD|Laptop | at least I haven't come across one that didn't need updates ^^ |
| 10:04.00 | grimeton | HD|Laptop: if using a later version of php breaks the software i want to use i can't upgrade ... and fixing the app can't be the job of the admin =) |
| 10:04.19 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: happy happy joy joy? |
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| 10:04.44 | HD|Laptop | :D |
| 10:04.55 | HD|Laptop | i'm off, i need some coffee |
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| 10:05.24 | Benkinooby | grimeton: ok. thing's are woking half way. copied the config files from somehwere else. still don'T know why i get the same corrupted config file over and over again despite all my efforts |
| 10:05.38 | grimeton | Benkinooby: your filesystem is damaged |
| 10:05.42 | grimeton | Benkinooby: or the underlying device |
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| 10:05.56 | grimeton | Benkinooby: there is something really broken and i'd go for a reinstall |
| 10:05.57 | Benkinooby | grimeton: yes - if there comes an other failure i will change the disk |
| 10:06.37 | Benkinooby | grimeton: well, all i need is more or less ssh and a webbrowser. i usually work on other systems, so i don't care so much about my own system, since it's just the client |
| 10:06.43 | Benkinooby | grimeton: no important data on it |
| 10:06.59 | grimeton | Benkinooby: a f*cked up filesystem on a possibly dying disk is a no go |
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| 10:09.15 | abrotman | should be log lines alluding to such |
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| 10:19.50 | Benkinooby | grimeton: grimeton smartctl gives me ATA errorcount 56107 with a disk power on lifetime 1299 days |
| 10:19.56 | Benkinooby | grimeton: just went for a new hdd |
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| 10:20.06 | Benkinooby | grimeton: thank you for your help |
| 10:20.11 | grimeton | Benkinooby: you're welcome |
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| 10:40.09 | darsie | What alternatives are there to enigmail? |
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| 10:47.52 | FlyingFoX | darsie: i heard silent circle or the OTR plugin for pidgin are quite nice. not sure if thats what you are searching for though. |
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| 10:48.22 | darsie | it's for icedove. |
| 10:48.37 | darsie | FlyingFoX: |
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| 10:48.59 | icesword | darsie, hello |
| 10:49.05 | darsie | hi |
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| 10:49.40 | icesword | darsie, what language you people speak |
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| 10:50.16 | icesword | Austry? |
| 10:50.39 | darsie | English. This is the debian support channel. Ask your question/problem. |
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| 10:51.58 | darsie | If you just want to chat you can try #defocus. |
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| 10:54.42 | mr_dallas | .oart #debian |
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| 11:00.26 | rogu3or | Hello all, I was hoping someone could help me with some issues ive been having with installing my system |
| 11:00.56 | Nik05 | if you are running debian old-stable or stable you can ask here ;) |
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| 11:02.34 | rogu3or | im trying to install apps for crunchbang |
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| 11:03.40 | Nik05 | so not debian? |
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| 11:08.43 | halt | Hi guys, is there any ready to use, or at least easy to use e-mail server package or something for debian ? I mean a bounld package which has all the neccesery pacakge and include the connection between them, like Exim4/Postfix and Courier IMAP / Dovecot and etc, personly I do not really care I'm running exim or postfix and running on mysql or postgres dbbackend, but to setup all that is such a big job ... |
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| 11:10.45 | icesword | halt hi where is tuwalu |
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| 11:12.12 | halt | far away from europe |
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| 11:13.24 | Kariel | hello, I have a problem with my network card (my mobo is Gigabyte EP35-DS3), if I connect the cable when Debian is running it doesn't work, needs a restart, I have no such problems with Windows or other Linux distros |
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| 11:15.29 | babilen | Kariel: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" give you? |
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| 11:16.18 | babilen | halt: No, there isn't. It is, however, not too hard to get postfix/exim4 to play nice with dovecot. |
| 11:16.33 | Nashenas | babilen, lspci lists all devices on your lci bus |
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| 11:16.38 | Nashenas | not sure about the -nn |
| 11:16.57 | Nashenas | grep -i ethernet searches the list of lci devices for anything matching "ethernet" |
| 11:17.00 | Kariel | babilen 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 01) |
| 11:17.04 | Nashenas | the -i is to search ignoring case |
| 11:17.56 | Nashenas | babilen, sorry, still early here, I though you were asking what it does |
| 11:18.01 | Nashenas | thought* |
| 11:18.31 | babilen | dpkg: coffee Nashenas |
| 11:18.32 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for Nashenas, courtesy of babilen |
| 11:18.46 | Kariel | anyway it could be something with 3.10 kernel, ethernet didn't work at all at my laptop |
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| 11:19.19 | babilen | Kariel: Are you using the kernel from backports already? Do you have firmware-realtek installed from there too? |
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| 11:19.53 | Kariel | babilen I have only testing repositories |
| 11:20.00 | Nashenas | Kariel, are you on wheezy or testing? |
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| 11:20.08 | Kariel | Nashenas Testing |
| 11:20.32 | babilen | Kariel: Ah, you typically want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support or you should make it explicit that you use that. "Nashenas Testing" ? |
| 11:20.44 | babilen | Ah, .. nvm |
| 11:20.54 | Nashenas | babilen: He was responding to my question |
| 11:20.58 | babilen | Nashenas: Do you have firmware-realtek installed? |
| 11:21.13 | Nashenas | dpkg: coffee babilen |
| 11:21.13 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for babilen, courtesy of nashenas |
| 11:21.21 | Nashenas | I wasn't the one who asked :) |
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| 11:21.37 | Kariel | okay, I didn't know babilen, thx for an advice ;) |
| 11:21.47 | babilen | Nashenas: yeah, I realised that shortly afterwards (hence the "Ah, .. nvm") . I was missing the ":" to make it explicit that this is for you. |
| 11:22.08 | babilen | Kariel: Do *you* have firmware-realtek installed? |
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| 11:22.18 | Kariel | ah stupid me, I forget about this |
| 11:22.30 | Kariel | didn't help at my laptop though |
| 11:22.45 | babilen | So you do not have it installed? |
| 11:22.53 | babilen | Or you forgot to answer my question? |
| 11:22.54 | Kariel | I just installed it |
| 11:23.02 | Kariel | okay I'll restart and come back in a sec |
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| 11:27.33 | Kariel | hello, I'm back |
| 11:27.41 | Kariel | installing drivers didn't help |
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| 11:28.09 | Kariel | doesn't matter if the cable is connected or not - network manager says "unamanaged" |
| 11:28.14 | Kariel | babilen |
| 11:28.49 | icesword | Kariel, mine is quite the same |
| 11:29.08 | Kariel | icesword what kernel are you using? |
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| 11:29.50 | babilen | Kariel: Ah, that is a *very* different problem. Mind pasting your /etc/network/interfaces ? What does "ethtool eth0" give you (or whatever interface the card is using if not eth0) ? (paste to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 11:29.58 | icesword | Kariel, when my host machine isn't connected, i run debian in vm, then after debian boots up, i connected to inernet, debian won't connect |
| 11:30.38 | icesword | Kariel, debian 7.2 |
| 11:30.41 | icesword | don |
| 11:30.48 | Kariel | babilen just a sec |
| 11:30.54 | icesword | know about the kernel version |
| 11:30.57 | babilen | icesword: Kariel has insofar not emntioned anything about virtual machines and that adds a whole different layer of possible problems into the mix. |
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| 11:32.38 | Kariel | babilen: |
| 11:32.40 | Kariel | # The loopback network interface |
| 11:32.40 | Kariel | auto lo |
| 11:32.40 | Kariel | iface lo inet loopback |
| 11:32.41 | Kariel | # The primary network interface |
| 11:32.41 | Kariel | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:32.41 | Kariel | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 11:32.53 | icesword | lol |
| 11:33.00 | icesword | that's a quick kick |
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| 11:33.14 | Kariel | okay I'm back |
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| 11:34.31 | Kariel | u there babilen? |
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| 11:35.30 | Kariel | babilen and here is the result of ethtool: http://textuploader.com/?p=6&id=pyKHz |
| 11:36.09 | babilen | Kariel: Please do not paste into the channel but use http://paste.debian.net as mentioned earlier. You would also do me a great favour if you would stop using "u" when addressing me. |
| 11:37.26 | Kariel | babilen yes I know, is this link over there fine? okay, no problem, I'm just used to write with shorts on chats, sorry |
| 11:38.04 | babilen | Kariel: You seem to have an entry for eth0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file which will, therefore, not be managed by network-manager (it will not override configuration in there). This is well documented behaviour (e.g. on https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager but also in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian ) |
| 11:39.11 | babilen | Kariel: It appears as if you want to use network-manager rather than the /etc/network/interfaces method to manage your interfaces and I would recommend to simply remove the entries concerning eth0 from /e/n/i# |
| 11:39.35 | Kariel | babilen I didn't really look at this "unmanaged" before, what's the solution then? |
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| 11:40.13 | babilen | Kariel: Debian would have configured the system to use network-manager *iff* you had configured the network during the initial installation *and* also installed the desktop task. You seem to not have done that and you therefore have it configured in /etc/network/interfaces (the "no desktop" variant) |
| 11:40.56 | babilen | Kariel: I told you already. An interface that isn't mentioned in /e/n/i will be managed by NM |
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| 11:42.15 | babilen | Kariel: But please read the documentation I pointed out above as this issue has been discussed in great detail in there and I am reluctant to repeat everything again :) -- Short solution: Remove the entries for eth0 from /e/n/i, real solution: read documentation, udnerstand the behaviour and then configure the system the way *you* want it. |
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| 11:43.13 | Kariel | babilen right, I forgot to connect the cable before the installation and I did it during. thank you for help |
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| 11:44.41 | babilen | Kariel: You are welcome :D |
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| 11:50.03 | Kariel | babilen it didn't help though, the network manager isn't "unmanaged" but the issue with the cable still occurs |
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| 11:52.15 | babilen | Kariel: In that case provide more information about that please. (e.g. ethtools output on a pastebin that doesn't expire in a few seconds like http://paste.debian.net ) -- I am off to lunch now. See you later! |
| 11:53.46 | babilen | Kariel: Please also make sure that you resort network-manager if NM is your only way of verifying that it "works" or not. If the link detection is not working as expected (as evidenced in, for example, the ethtools or "ip link" output) then something else might be wrong. |
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| 11:54.18 | Kariel | babilen it's not a big deal though, I can always restart the networkmanager. ah and I marked at this hosting that it'll expire, sorry about it |
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| 12:04.38 | ro9u3or | is crunchbang a branch of Debian |
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| 12:06.07 | Cyis | ro9u3or: looks like someone taking Debian and making their own distro based off it... not an offical Debian distro that I'm aware of |
| 12:06.13 | jelly | ro9u3or: no, it's a separate project |
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| 12:06.22 | jelly | !crunchbang |
| 12:06.23 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 12:17.13 | chalcedony | am i doing this wrong, highlight with the mouse, click the wheel and it's pasted? |
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| 12:17.16 | chalcedony | mine isn't working |
| 12:17.36 | chalcedony | i just got home from about a month away, computer is running and all fine, but i can't paste |
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| 12:17.58 | chalcedony | correction can't paste out of vi(m) |
| 12:18.23 | Elemeno-work | Isn't that how PuTTy works? |
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| 12:18.53 | chalcedony | i could paste the line from xchat to vim.. but not working in vim |
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| 12:21.10 | chalcedony | edit copy / edit paste is not working between vim sessions |
| 12:22.14 | petern_ | vim or gvim? |
| 12:22.32 | Elemeno-work | gvim? must google this... |
| 12:22.58 | chalcedony | vi(m) in sqeeze |
| 12:23.17 | Cyis | Elemeno-work: just a Gnome/GTK X11 enabled version of vim |
| 12:25.25 | petern_ | chalcedony, what is 'not working' about it? |
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| 12:25.56 | chalcedony | hi petern_ i can't seem to 'pick up' lines in vi improved |
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| 12:26.47 | upp | !webmin |
| 12:26.48 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 12:27.55 | petern_ | Pick up? All you do it select the text to copy and paste it in the other session. Traditional X-style copy/paste. |
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| 12:28.35 | petern_ | Oh, and select insert or overtype mode. |
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| 12:30.44 | chalcedony | highlight, paste with the wheel works out of xchat to vim, but can't do it in vim |
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| 12:32.17 | Cyis | haha... love reading that :) |
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| 12:33.28 | petern_ | chalcedony, don't know then. Maybe it's terminal-dependent or something. I'm using gnome terminal. |
| 12:33.49 | chalcedony | petemc, i think that's what these are |
| 12:34.02 | chalcedony | petern_, i think that's what these are |
| 12:34.03 | petern_ | You can press shift while selecting with vim and it'll fallback to the terminal's native copying. |
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| 12:34.21 | petern_ | That won't copy tabs probably though. |
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| 13:12.36 | honestly | I set up a fresh debian vm from the netinstall image. I can ping it from the host and ssh in, but I can't set up an nc connection on a random port (running "nc -l 0 5535" on the vm and "nc <vm-ip> 5535" from the host), I just get connection refused. Is this a default firewall setting (SELinux?) or am I just doing it wrong? |
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| 13:13.07 | honestly | (running on virtualbox btw) |
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| 13:13.43 | babilen | honestly: there is no default firewall and I suspect that this behaviour is rather due to the fact that you are running inside some vm rather than genuine behaviour |
| 13:13.59 | honestly | hmm. |
| 13:14.40 | babilen | And all firewalls on linux boil down to iptables anyway so a short "iptables -L" should clarify that. |
| 13:14.45 | honestly | I set up openvpn with the sample config and that works, but I still can't nc through it |
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| 13:16.18 | honestly | I don't think SELinux uses iptables mainly |
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| 13:22.58 | honestly | I'm just too stupid to invoke nc correctly without reading the manpage every time |
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| 13:23.08 | honestly | so there we go |
| 13:23.19 | patrycjusz | hi all, i have installed LAMP on debian 7 64 on my first cloud hosting. I have installed as well proftpd. Also i have created a user and add user to sudo group. I need little help what to do next because i having problem when uploading wordpress files to server. FileZille showing me errors somtimes that directory doesn't exist. And images are not showing up on wordpress |
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| 13:23.43 | patrycjusz | also when i want install plugin i need to give ftp detail |
| 13:24.04 | torax | why would you use ftp? |
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| 13:24.34 | patrycjusz | what i should use |
| 13:24.46 | torax | scp |
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| 13:25.35 | torax | ftp is unsecure and awful |
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| 13:26.17 | patrycjusz | can i use this on windows? |
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| 13:27.02 | Rydekull | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 13:27.10 | torax | yes, you can use filezilla |
| 13:27.51 | patrycjusz | i have only two protocols to use |
| 13:28.58 | patrycjusz | anyway, but what i need to do so wordpress won't ask me for ftp details when i want delete something or install a plugin |
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| 13:29.35 | brontosaurusrex | patrycjusz, thats usually a permission problem, meaning wp does not have write permissions |
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| 13:30.05 | Cyis | patrycjusz: as I've never had that issue with any of the multitude of wordpress sites I've managed... I'd say there's a configuration issue at work |
| 13:30.32 | patrycjusz | apache2 configuration ? |
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| 13:31.28 | Cyis | patrycjusz: given the vast volume of details we have to go on to assist you... I'm gonna hazzard a guess that the ownership of the folders/files where wordpress is installed is a factor |
| 13:31.57 | brontosaurusrex | patrycjusz, a link, just for you http://codex.wordpress.org/Updating_WordPress#One-click_Update |
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| 13:45.57 | patrycjusz | so how i can do that when i for exaple clone wordpress from git to one of the folders permissions will be right |
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| 13:46.20 | patrycjusz | there somwthing like default permissions ? |
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| 13:47.37 | level7 | hi all.... any hint regarding a good syslod appliance, i.e. a thing that also permits to do a text search, filter, etc not jus thte plain text |
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| 13:48.54 | bezaban | level7: syslog? :) |
| 13:49.28 | level7 | yes but it would be great to have some "interface" |
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| 13:49.52 | bezaban | level7: multitail lets your filter, colourize, have multiple logs in one window etc |
| 13:50.00 | bezaban | but usually I just use less/grep/tail |
| 13:50.06 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. Sorry for maybe stupid question(s). I want to upgrade to "testing". Now using "squeeze". I have to upgrade to "wheezy" first!? Many pages (google) say like "1) run: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade... 2) Then change /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" with "wheezy... 3) and finally run again: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade" - Is that correct? Or first "apt-get dist-upgrade" is not needed (bef |
| 13:50.12 | level7 | me too , but also to give access to others.... |
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| 13:50.50 | level7 | maybe this? |
| 13:50.52 | level7 | http://logio.org/ |
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| 13:52.29 | TaZeR | hey guys im having trouble getting my wifi to work, im using the netinst version with additional firmwares for iwlwifi for centrino 6200 and it works during installation but after i boot into it i dont have any wireless interface, lspci shows that its the card is detected |
| 13:53.06 | level7 | or maybe partylog2 |
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| 13:54.01 | bezaban | mmm4m5m: not sure, but I would do (and have only ever done) squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie |
| 13:54.08 | babilen | TaZeR: How do you check if you have a wireless interface? |
| 13:54.21 | TaZeR | iwconfig |
| 13:54.33 | bezaban | might be possible with squeeze -> jessie, but don't think it's recommended upgrade path. |
| 13:54.58 | mmm4m5m | bezaban: ok, thanks!... and how many times I have to run "dist-upgrade"? :) |
| 13:55.15 | babilen | TaZeR: What does "ip link" give you? What about "iwconfig"? Please also include the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network", "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi" and that of "uname -a" please. |
| 13:55.30 | bezaban | mmm4m5m: until it stops saying there are any new packages, then update sources.list |
| 13:55.35 | bezaban | rinse repeat |
| 13:55.44 | TaZeR | ok babilen ill have to reboot to try them, ill brb |
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| 13:56.03 | babilen | TaZeR: Sure |
| 13:56.04 | bezaban | I usually reboot to make sure I am with latest kernel, but that might be an old and not needed habit |
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| 13:57.23 | bezaban | mmm4m5m: also, don't forget to update apt (apt-get update) when you've replaced the repositories |
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| 13:58.52 | mmm4m5m | bezaban: yes, that is all known and I understand it... just was confused is it mistake to run "dist-upgrade" (not "upgrade") before changes in sources.list... Ok. thanks! :) |
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| 14:02.55 | jaami | hid3, iceweasel has no resources tab where i can see data saved in localStorage. or was i not able to locate it? |
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| 14:03.02 | jaami | hi ** |
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| 14:05.39 | TaZeR | ok for "ip link" i have lo, eth0, wlan0 all state down, its showing up in iwconfig now as wlan0 somehow, "lspci -nn|grep -i network" shows my network controller name and model, "dpkg -| firmware-iwlwifi" shows the firmware and version 0.36+wheezy and "uname -a" shows 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 14:05.54 | TaZeR | since its showing up now I think its just a matter of associating it with my access point |
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| 14:08.45 | babilen | TaZeR: You should have told me that you cannot paste from within Debian. I would ask *very* different questions if I knew that you have to reboot into Debian for every command to run. |
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| 14:09.05 | TaZeR | oh |
| 14:09.10 | babilen | TaZeR: Did you try to connect to your wireless? |
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| 14:10.10 | TaZeR | im not quite clear how to do it, I set "iwconfig wlan0 essid [name]" and "iwconfig wlan0 channel 6" |
| 14:10.24 | TaZeR | its in mode managed but not assosciated |
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| 14:11.39 | patrycjusz | i can't find httpd.conf on my apache2 on debian 7 64 |
| 14:11.53 | patrycjusz | all is running but i cant find this file |
| 14:11.53 | jaami | no httpd.conf in debian |
| 14:12.01 | patrycjusz | ok |
| 14:12.10 | babilen | TaZeR: Are you not using a desktop environment? |
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| 14:12.20 | patrycjusz | no |
| 14:12.33 | patrycjusz | apache2.conf then ? |
| 14:12.34 | TaZeR | no i dont have a de yet |
| 14:12.37 | babilen | TaZeR: Please see https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse for some documentation about the various ways in which you can configure and manage your wifi on Debian. |
| 14:12.42 | TaZeR | i need the wifi cause i want to install mate |
| 14:12.51 | babilen | TaZeR: Do you plan to use a desktop environment and/or window manager? |
| 14:12.57 | AL13N_work | this is odd, even though www-data is set as user/group in /etc/apache2/envvars, my deb6 runs it's child processes as root... |
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| 14:13.02 | babilen | TaZeR: Oh, we don't support mate (yet). |
| 14:13.04 | TaZeR | yea mate and xorg |
| 14:13.23 | TaZeR | what do u mean? |
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| 14:13.27 | babilen | TaZeR: In that case I would recommend to use network-manager in the long run. |
| 14:13.40 | babilen | TaZeR: MATE is, as of now, not packaged in Debian and we do not support it. |
| 14:13.46 | TaZeR | oh i understand |
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| 14:14.29 | babilen | TaZeR: I guess that your wifi is encrypted so please pay close attention to the different ways of getting WPA encrypted connections working. |
| 14:14.30 | g105b | There's a box on the network doing nothing that I'd like to install Debian on - but how do I do it without physical access? |
| 14:14.57 | jaami | patrycjusz, yes, /etc/apachae2/apache2.conf |
| 14:15.07 | AL13N_work | huh... it seems apache2-mpm-itk is installed |
| 14:15.10 | AL13N_work | i wonder why |
| 14:15.17 | jaami | patrycjusz, yes, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf **** |
| 14:15.18 | AL13N_work | afaik that's not the default |
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| 14:16.06 | babilen | g105b: You can't. You need *some* way to configure it. If you are lucky you can just reboot and it'll boot from PXE already. You can then configure your DHCP server to tell it about the installer on your tftp and preseed the answers to the questions that arise during the installation. |
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| 14:19.09 | jaami | is there any Resources tab in iceweasel browser to see data saved in localStorage? or do i have to download chrome or safari? |
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| 14:20.32 | babilen | g105b: But that's a huge "if" and also assumes that you have access to that kind of infrastructure. |
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| 14:20.57 | upp | hello, i connect a usb stik to my laptop, and i can't see it with df.. how can i find it's path? |
| 14:21.01 | upp | into Terminal |
| 14:21.12 | babilen | g105b: You should ensure that you have *some* means to gain physical access (or *at least* out of band communication) to every server. I mean how will you ever be able to deal with hardware problems? |
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| 14:22.24 | babilen | upp: Connect it and run "dmesg|tail -n23" that should give you its device node. You can then mount that (or use whatever method for mounting that is appropriate for your environment) -- If you would, for example, be using Gnome you should start nautilus and click on the stick in there. |
| 14:22.35 | g105b | babilen: The server is close by, but it's massive hassle to get in there (in a good way security-wise), but it seems it will be less hassle to get at it than try to hack around with net boot stuff |
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| 14:23.08 | babilen | g105b: No DHCP server and/or netboot infrastructure in place yet? |
| 14:23.57 | babilen | g105b: Setting up netboot is not that much of a problem and having a nice preseed file ready (+ maybe ansible, salt, puppet, ... for the "post install" configuration) might be nice in the future. |
| 14:23.58 | upp | babilen: the usb stick is already mounted, but if i ls /media/usb0 is empty and in nautilus is has folders |
| 14:24.04 | g105b | babilen: nope :/ it's just me running it, acquired the infrastructure recently |
| 14:24.17 | babilen | upp: Please paste the output of "mount" and "df -h" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:24.18 | upp | i want to know where it's on wich /dev/sda.. |
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| 14:24.39 | wenshan | I'm running Debian 7.0 and gnome 3.4.2.1. I'm just wondering if it's possible to put an application full screen mode so its title bar, the system's top bar and bottom bar all disappear. |
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| 14:25.14 | upp | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/62933/ |
| 14:25.17 | petern_ | Yeah, there are extensions for that. http://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 14:25.23 | babilen | g105b: fair enough .. I mean there is no clear cut "do this" answer as it really depends on if configuring this now would make your life easier in the future. (if you would have to install that or other boxes again) |
| 14:25.34 | petern_ | It doesn't play nice with multiple monitors though :S |
| 14:26.10 | babilen | upp: Okay, please plug it in and include the output of "dmesg|tail -n42" -- include the output of all three commands in a single pastebin :) |
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| 14:26.44 | g105b | babilen: I was planning on imaging disks with a fresh install, but that may come with its own pitfalls... |
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| 14:28.12 | upp | babilen: the usb stick is pluged, http://paste.debian.net/62934/2 |
| 14:28.20 | upp | http://paste.debian.net/62934/ |
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| 14:28.23 | upp | sorry |
| 14:28.27 | g105b | babilen: what would your recommendation be? carry on with disk imaging or set up net boot configuration? |
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| 14:31.02 | mmm4m5m | g105b: I am a simple user... just wondering - what kind of box is that - normal PC with keyboard, HDD, mouse, monitor? or something else :) |
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| 14:31.48 | g105b | mmm4m5m: normal server on a rack, I'm not in control of secure physical access to the box |
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| 14:32.49 | babilen | g105b: I'd install preseed the install and have boxes boot from PXE and configure the rest with something like ansible |
| 14:33.07 | babilen | s/I'd install/I'd/ |
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| 14:33.38 | babilen | g105b: How many boxes will you have to deal with in the end? |
| 14:33.51 | upp | babilen? |
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| 14:35.03 | babilen | upp: Are you sure that you plugged in the stick *immediately* before running "dmesg|tail -n23" ? |
| 14:35.09 | babilen | err, 42 |
| 14:35.20 | upp | yes |
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| 14:36.25 | babilen | upp: Those time stamps look a bit suspicious .. can you verify that those are really the last 42 lines when you run "dmesg" and that the timestamp jumps from 21.952492 to 418703.899521 ? |
| 14:36.49 | g105b | babilen: depends how successful my business becomes :) |
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| 14:37.17 | babilen | g105b: haha, right :D |
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| 14:38.56 | babilen | g105b: In that case I would start with thinks that pay off immediately. I'd recommend looking into ansible and salt and, if you use DHCP already, maybe even setting up the DHCP/TFTP/PXE spiel -- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.html.en |
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| 14:40.00 | babilen | g105b: And http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs02.html.en for that ... http://www.ansibleworks.com/ for ansible, http://saltstack.com/community.html for salt and http://puppetlabs.com/ for puppet |
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| 14:40.24 | g105b | babilen: already use puppet, really nice bit of kit |
| 14:40.42 | g105b | babilen: thanks for all your advice |
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| 14:41.00 | babilen | g105b: Fair enough, wise choice (pre-ansible/salt though) |
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| 14:46.55 | KaaK | can anyone help me understand how packages are moved between suites in a repository? i.e. how a package's "distribution" control file field is changed from unstable -> testing -> stable? i'm in the processes of setting up a repository, and the 'mechanics' of this process are unclear to me |
| 14:47.15 | Dirkos | I want to create a backup but i want to create a zip from all directories seperate |
| 14:47.22 | Dirkos | anyway how i can do this? |
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| 14:47.53 | babilen | KaaK: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
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| 14:48.44 | babilen | KaaK: There were also some nice blog posts by a member of the ftp team during a meeting in erfurt (essen?) some time ago that discussed the way dak works.... |
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| 14:49.06 | babilen | KaaK: You probably want to look into the dak particulars if you want to understand it on that level. |
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| 14:52.11 | KaaK | babilen: thanks for the info, i'll do some more digging |
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| 14:53.07 | jaami | my question got rusty laying untouched. need to know if iceweasel go any resources tab to see data saved in localStorage? |
| 14:53.16 | jaami | got** |
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| 14:55.28 | babilen | KaaK: I can't find the blog post I am thinking of :( |
| 14:55.40 | babilen | It was excellent, had diagrams and everything |
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| 14:56.09 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:56.48 | eptalon | how can I check a filesystem (xfs_check/xfs_repair) at boot (it is mounted on /var, so it cannot be omunted read-only... |
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| 14:58.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell eptalon -about forcefsck |
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| 14:58.50 | eptalon | babilen: as I said, it is not the root fs, plus it sits on an lvm. |
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| 15:01.18 | g105b | To preseed an iso, can I just add the configuration file into the iso archive, without needed to "remaster" (whatever remaster means)? |
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| 15:02.32 | babilen | g105b: No, you use special files. Maybe reading https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall is worth your while. |
| 15:02.46 | g105b | ah ok. thanks. |
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| 15:05.41 | babilen | g105b: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot fwiw |
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| 15:09.10 | boldgeek | Hi all. I have a virtual server which is "context virtualization" if I understand correctly kernel modules such as fuse (and stuff depending on it) cannot work on these right? |
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| 15:11.43 | jumperswitch_ | Some write that squid (squid-deb-conf package) is faster and better than apt-cacher-ng. Is that true? I tried both but I don't know the behavior on long term. |
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| 15:16.00 | DammitJim | is there no support for mtpfs on wheezy? |
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| 15:18.13 | babilen | DammitJim: Why do you think so? |
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| 15:19.12 | nkuttler | ,v mtpfs |
| 15:19.13 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-4.1 |
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| 15:19.38 | babilen | judd: v mtp-tools |
| 15:19.39 | judd | Package: mtp-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.3-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 1.1.3-35-g0ece104-5; jessie: 1.1.6-20-g1b9f164-1; sid: 1.1.6-20-g1b9f164-1 |
| 15:19.48 | nkuttler | DammitJim: ^^ |
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| 15:20.18 | babilen | DammitJim *might* think of gvfs-backends support for mtp though, but then who knows what DammitJim thinks |
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| 15:21.16 | DammitJim | I have no idea |
| 15:21.31 | DammitJim | babilen, I got mtp-tools |
| 15:21.32 | nkuttler | DammitJim: well, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:21.50 | DammitJim | can I mount it, though? |
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| 15:22.22 | DammitJim | I have this script I wrote moons ago that would get pictures out of my phone and put them in my "photo album" by year/month/date |
| 15:22.36 | DammitJim | now I can't mount my new Samsung Galaxy S4 (previous phone was an S2) |
| 15:22.48 | DammitJim | I can't mount it to get the files out of there |
| 15:23.05 | nkuttler | mtp-tools doesn't look like mtp-tools contains a fuse module |
| 15:23.16 | DammitJim | nkuttler, right! |
| 15:23.30 | nkuttler | but mtp-tools should have a tool for that.. |
| 15:23.36 | nkuttler | tbh, not touched mtp in years |
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| 15:23.50 | DammitJim | I actually have never touched it |
| 15:24.28 | nkuttler | DammitJim: doesn't your device has an usb storage mode? |
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| 15:24.48 | nkuttler | androids should do that.. |
| 15:25.00 | DammitJim | not anymore |
| 15:25.10 | DammitJim | it uses MTP or PTP |
| 15:25.16 | DammitJim | *sigh* |
| 15:25.23 | the_sniff | hello! i just got a vps server, and apt-get is stuck on 100% [8 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] googled for some time no solution worked as of now |
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| 15:26.14 | nkuttler | DammitJim: maybe try with gphoto2? |
| 15:26.25 | nkuttler | or even gphotofs |
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| 15:26.49 | jelly | DammitJim: mtpfs is in the distro, but it seems to be buggy as heck |
| 15:27.01 | nkuttler | but interesting that they remove usb storage.. that sucks |
| 15:27.05 | DammitJim | jelly, what distro? I can't find it in the repos |
| 15:27.11 | jelly | ,v mtpfs |
| 15:27.12 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-4.1 |
| 15:27.16 | jelly | heh |
| 15:27.24 | DammitJim | it totally does! like Apple |
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| 15:27.42 | nkuttler | DammitJim: really, try gphoto |
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| 15:27.46 | jelly | my chinese android has all: usb-storage, mtp, ptp, and cake |
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| 15:28.52 | jelly | DammitJim: I think you'll have to backport libmtp and mtpfs |
| 15:28.57 | babilen | the_sniff: can you run it again? which mirror are you using? mind trying http.debian.net ? |
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| 15:29.16 | babilen | DammitJim: backporting those two shouldn't be hard at all |
| 15:29.23 | the_sniff | babilen was ftp.debian changed to ftp.de i've run it many times, tried deleting apt cache ill try http |
| 15:29.49 | DammitJim | thanks guys. I wanted to avoid it, but will look into gphoto and backporting |
| 15:29.54 | babilen | argh, ftp.debian ... /me shakes fist |
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| 15:30.27 | DammitJim | oh, I know! I think I'm going to use my squeeze VM :D |
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| 15:30.40 | the_sniff | babilen anything wrong with it? was out of the sysadmin game for a few years |
| 15:30.48 | DammitJim | actually jessie |
| 15:31.20 | DammitJim | no, wait... jessie is now testing, not sid! |
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| 15:31.32 | jelly | DammitJim: if you're using jessie you can probably jusdt grab and install sid packages for that stuff |
| 15:32.00 | the_sniff | babilen stuck again heh :p |
| 15:32.14 | the_sniff | using http://http.debian.net/ ofc |
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| 15:32.35 | babilen | the_sniff: why http? |
| 15:33.22 | the_sniff | what else it there to use? |
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| 15:33.27 | the_sniff | i think i'm outdated |
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| 15:33.33 | babilen | the_sniff: Just to verify: You are using "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" (or the same with "contrib non-free") ? |
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| 15:34.27 | the_sniff | babilen yes |
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| 15:34.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell the_sniff -about which http.debian.net |
| 15:35.00 | babilen | the_sniff: What does that give you? |
| 15:35.30 | the_sniff | Location: http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 [following] |
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| 15:37.11 | the_sniff | babilen i forgot to mention it doesnt get stuck after the first archive GET |
| 15:37.11 | babilen | the_sniff: You said that you are using "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" and not unstable. |
| 15:37.18 | the_sniff | happens after Get:6 http://http.debian.net wheezy/non-free Translation-en [66.1 kB] |
| 15:37.31 | g105b | Is it safe to use dd to make an image of an SSD to an HDD, then back again when re-imaging is required? |
| 15:37.36 | babilen | the_sniff: Mind pasting the *entire* output along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:37.57 | the_sniff | sure |
| 15:37.59 | DammitJim | do I need to change my sources.list from jessie to sid to get mtpfs? |
| 15:38.00 | the_sniff | its wheezy though |
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| 15:38.19 | the_sniff | babilen http://paste.debian.net/62942/ |
| 15:38.21 | g105b | ( using dd ) |
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| 15:39.03 | Leoneof | i have linux, but if i install Windows on the next partition, what's the best way to retrieve grub? |
| 15:39.13 | babilen | the_sniff: Can you download http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/dists/wheezy/main/i18n/Translation-en.bz2 manually? |
| 15:39.28 | babilen | the_sniff: argh, gtg .. see you later! all the best :-/ |
| 15:39.35 | the_sniff | babilen 2013-10-30 10:39:09 (8.54 MB/s) - `Translation-en.bz2' saved [3851206/3851206] |
| 15:39.37 | the_sniff | thank you! |
| 15:39.44 | babilen | (sorry) |
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| 15:39.57 | mtn | Leoneof: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub |
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| 15:41.54 | antoon | Greetings fellow users. I have two (retarded) questions, so Ima just get to it. Is it possible to change the (grub?) resolution without rebooting? |
| 15:42.06 | Leoneof | mtn: thanks |
| 15:42.18 | DammitJim | I guess jessie is no longer sid, huh? |
| 15:42.19 | mtn | Leoneof: welcome |
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| 15:42.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys i need a debian usb image i can put on a usb drive.. |
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| 15:42.58 | DammitJim | get the netinst.iso |
| 15:43.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | and unetbootin is screwing up. i tried to put the dvd i686 version on it and it didnt find the kernel image. |
| 15:43.32 | Cira | Eryn_1983_FL: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 15:43.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | nooo no netinst |
| 15:43.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont want to download 50MB then have to do 700Mb on the wifi.. |
| 15:44.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | full distro would be nice.. |
| 15:44.26 | Cira | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 15:44.48 | bezaban | unetbootin is notoriously unreliable |
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| 15:45.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | what should i use? |
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| 15:45.26 | bezaban | dd if=/path/to/.iso of=/dev/USBDEVICE |
| 15:45.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | of course DD |
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| 15:45.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i missed my old friend DD |
| 15:45.46 | bezaban | don't select the wrong device! |
| 15:45.46 | Cira | Eryn_1983_FL: amd64 if you have a 64-bit processor (which most likely you do) |
| 15:45.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | Nope no 64 bit on the netbook |
| 15:46.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | god i wish it had a cdrom though.. |
| 15:46.06 | Cira | then i386 |
| 15:46.17 | Elemeno-work | unetbootin |
| 15:46.23 | Cira | it doesnt matter, you can make a bootable usb |
| 15:46.29 | Elemeno-work | if you have a usb drive |
| 15:46.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 15:46.34 | bezaban | I've set up pxe booting of install media at home and at work, never looked back |
| 15:46.43 | antoon | What's the command to make it resync hard drives? i just re |
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| 15:46.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am going that route once i get my rasberry pi server cluster |
| 15:46.58 | omeringen | hi |
| 15:47.15 | omeringen | is this enough to install xfce desktop ? debian-7.2.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 15:47.21 | bezaban | antoon: sync |
| 15:47.26 | omeringen | i couldn't see any cd2 or 3 |
| 15:48.01 | bezaban | Eryn_1983_FL: I just got my first Pi a month ago, all I can think of is how I'm going to use the rest I'm getting :P |
| 15:48.06 | antoon | hm. how can i see what /dev/sdb is mounted as? by using 'mount'? |
| 15:48.13 | bezaban | mount works |
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| 15:48.59 | bezaban | omeringen: I've never installed more than one CD, that should most likely be sufficient (but then I've never installed xfce) |
| 15:49.11 | antoon | It doesn't say anything about sdb though, bezaban. :/ and i'm getting lots of sdb errors |
| 15:49.21 | omeringen | bezaban, thanks i'll check it on VM |
| 15:49.23 | bezaban | actually I almost exclusively netboot or install of the datastore, so.. meh |
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| 15:50.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | probabbly to have the files local instead of the server.. |
| 15:50.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | dont want errors or weird stuff |
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| 15:50.41 | Cira | can anyone help? when installing I accepted the defaults regarding partitioning (rootfs, tmp, home, usr dirs are all seperate partitions). rootfs is <400MB and only ~100MB is free.... when I try to dpkg -i chrome, it complains about a lack of space... how do I fix this?? |
| 15:50.42 | oatmeal | fsda |
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| 15:52.15 | bezaban | antoon: if it's not showing cause it's a lvm volume you can do 'sudo pvdisplay' to check |
| 15:52.22 | bezaban | if not I'd assume it's not mounted |
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| 15:52.46 | bezaban | (possibly due to the errors you are experiencing) /etc/fstab will show where it's supposed to be mounted if anywhere |
| 15:53.32 | antoon | well, i can apt-get upgrade and it started to spam /dev/sdb errors. Though I don't think that disk is being used |
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| 15:54.25 | antoon | well, there's a line in /etc/fstab with /dev/sdb5 which should be unmounted |
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| 15:57.22 | phorce1 | Cira: try 'aptitude clean' to ensure you aren't wasting space with old downloaded .deb files |
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| 16:03.02 | Cira | phorce1 doesnt help |
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| 16:03.39 | Cira | says cannot copy extracted data to /opt/google/chrome/... |
| 16:03.47 | Cira | coz of a lack of space |
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| 16:04.10 | SirLagz | Cira: how much space do you have left ? |
| 16:04.25 | shingouz | Cira: df -h gives you the available space |
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| 16:05.05 | Cira | like i said, <100MB on rootfs (69MB) |
| 16:05.20 | SirLagz | Cira: and you can't clear out anything ? |
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| 16:05.28 | Cira | but shouldnt the install go on /usr (sepperate partition) or at least /tmp? |
| 16:05.32 | Tylertwo | Hey, I'm trying to connect to wifi on my laptop. I installed some firmware for my wireless card (ipw2200) and installed wicd, but when I run wicd it doesn't show any wireless networks. I did this following https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and similar guides. Any ideas about why networks aren't showing up? |
| 16:06.06 | Guest74412 | hi, which package do I get the command 'samba-tool' from (Debian 7)? |
| 16:06.33 | SirLagz | Guest74412: at a guess, samba...though you can search the debian site to find out for sure |
| 16:06.46 | phorce1 | Cira: Ans I assume / also contains /var (with logs and such) -- you said /usr was a separate partition. Go see if you can clean out some stuff in /var/log/ |
| 16:06.47 | Cira | the automated installer set up different partitions like this: rootfs 323MB, /home 276GB, /tmp 368MB, /usr 8.3Gb, /var 2.6GB |
| 16:07.02 | Guest74412 | thanks but I have samba and samba-tools installed and the command doesn't exist |
| 16:07.13 | SirLagz | Cira: the chrome install may be trying to install it to /opt though |
| 16:07.21 | Cira | it is |
| 16:07.30 | Cira | and I assume that's on rootfs |
| 16:07.35 | SirLagz | correct |
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| 16:07.49 | Cira | now, I let the installer partition the hdd as it saw fit |
| 16:07.49 | SirLagz | you could resize /home and create an /opt partition |
| 16:08.01 | Tylertwo | Guest74412, try running the command as root |
| 16:08.02 | Cira | ok... how.... fdisk? |
| 16:08.07 | SirLagz | gparted livecd |
| 16:08.19 | Cira | any way to do it from inside debian? |
| 16:08.29 | Cira | without having to create a liveusb (no cd's handy) |
| 16:08.30 | SirLagz | you could probably do it in single user mode |
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| 16:08.41 | SirLagz | using parted |
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| 16:08.45 | Guest74412 | Tylertwo: I was, command not found |
| 16:09.03 | SirLagz | Cira: you'll need home to be unmounted so you can resize it |
| 16:09.05 | Cira | SirLagz: what exact is single user mode, and how do Ienter it |
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| 16:09.20 | SirLagz | Cira: I would recommend using a liveUSB to do it. much easier |
| 16:09.28 | Cira | ugh |
| 16:09.39 | Cira | this is like the 10th thing that the installer did wrong |
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| 16:10.05 | Cira | the most entertaining of which was installing grub on the live usb (mounted sda) instead of the hdd (mounted sdb) |
| 16:10.12 | Cira | thanks for the help |
| 16:10.13 | phorce1 | Cira: link farms are ugly, but you can just create /home/opt --- then 'cp -a /opt/* /home/opt/' then rename or remove /opt and create a softlink to /home/opt. Make sure your permissions stay the same. |
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| 16:10.49 | Cira | yeah, that's an ugly solution |
| 16:10.52 | Cira | i prefer resizing |
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| 16:11.04 | Cira | over which I prefer an installer that knows what its doing |
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| 16:11.25 | SirLagz | Cira: most installers assume you'll install software via the built in package manager |
| 16:11.32 | mmm4m5m | after "apt-get dist-upgrade -d" from wheezy I have only 84MB free in /var. Wondering if that will be enough to start it |
| 16:11.45 | phorce1 | uses a dedicated, 80G drive for / |
| 16:11.46 | jelly | Cira: file bug reports or installation reports, if possible |
| 16:11.47 | SirLagz | mmm4m5m: pretty sure 84 megs will suffice |
| 16:12.00 | mmm4m5m | thanks |
| 16:12.01 | DammitJim | what's the -d for? |
| 16:12.03 | SirLagz | Cira: if you use apt-get to install the chromium browser, it'll install it in the right spot |
| 16:12.10 | mmm4m5m | download all before extract/install |
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| 16:12.26 | Cira | jelly: ok.. where do I do that? link? |
| 16:12.47 | jelly | hmm. |
| 16:12.50 | jelly | !installation report |
| 16:12.50 | dpkg | methinks installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
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| 16:14.23 | Guest74412 | ah ok looks like i need to install samba4 not samba |
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| 16:15.01 | jaami | can someone help me? i need to know which browser for debian will show me data in localStorage. for example safari has resources tab in the inspect that shows locally saved data. i need same kind of option in iceweasel but i think there is no such option there. so what i should do? |
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| 16:16.11 | Iridos | I guess there isn't a convenient build-flag to dpkg-buildpackage or so that would let you compile the same statically linked if possible? |
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| 16:16.37 | Guest74412 | I am joining debain 7 to win domain, what do people recommned? samba4 with winbind4 or sssd or someother combination? |
| 16:17.33 | Elemeno-work | cifs-utils I think |
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| 16:18.04 | Elemeno-work | you want to serve to windows or windows to debian? |
| 16:18.59 | Guest74412 | mainly desktops connecting to windows DC first but we have Linux file servers I'd like to join too |
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| 16:20.49 | bartzy | Hello |
| 16:21.00 | bartzy | Does Debian Wheezy still uses regular /etc/init.d scripts or the "service" command ? |
| 16:21.04 | bartzy | (like Ubuntu) ? |
| 16:21.29 | mtn | bartzy: init.d |
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| 16:21.45 | bartzy | mtn: There was no change/talk of change to systemd or upstart ? |
| 16:22.03 | mtn | bartzy: yes, there is talk and likely to change next release |
| 16:22.25 | bartzy | Why ? |
| 16:22.36 | bartzy | What is the case against init.d, or for upstart ? |
| 16:22.45 | mtn | bartzy: not sure of the tech reasons, you could do a google for the topic |
| 16:22.48 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.58 | bartzy | didn't find a lot of info that I understood really |
| 16:22.58 | jelly | bartzy: the service command is available. |
| 16:23.08 | bartzy | jelly: Yeah but it's just a wrapper for the init.d scripts ? |
| 16:23.13 | jelly | yes |
| 16:23.23 | bartzy | jelly: What is the difference between upstart , systemd and the init.d scripts ? |
| 16:23.30 | jelly | !ops Cretinus privmsg spam |
| 16:23.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: Cretinus privmsg spam |
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| 16:24.15 | jelly | bartzy: upstart, systemd and the classic sysvinit are alternative /sbin/init implementations |
| 16:24.45 | jaami | forgot dpkg command please help. |
| 16:24.46 | jelly | bartzy: there are various design, implementation and goal differences |
| 16:25.30 | antoon | shouldnt /etc/fstab be updated when i unmount a device? |
| 16:25.31 | mtn | bartzy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd and other pages for all the info you could ever want |
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| 16:25.58 | antoon | and fyi, Cretinus has some sort of on text trigger with advertisement |
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| 16:26.37 | jelly | antoon: no, fstab is used for static mount points that ought to get initialized at boot time |
| 16:26.38 | Iridos | antoon, no. fstab is hand-written by you (and/or installer scripts) mtab updates... |
| 16:26.55 | antoon | mhm |
| 16:26.55 | Iridos | dpkg, mtab |
| 16:26.55 | dpkg | /etc/mtab is the file that shows currently mounted partitions, never edit this file. As of sysvinit version 2.88dsf-14 (Wheezy and later Debian releases), /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/mounts (resolves Debian bug #494001). |
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| 16:27.11 | jaami | dpkg command reference |
| 16:27.11 | dpkg | jaami: i don't know |
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| 16:27.20 | tidux | I just upgraded to Mesa 9.2 in Sid and restarted my X server |
| 16:27.26 | jaami | dpkg "command reference" |
| 16:27.26 | dpkg | jaami: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:27.29 | tidux | how do I force mplayer or mpv or vlc to use the new vdpau? |
| 16:27.37 | antoon | i see. then how come an unmounted disk started to spam errors when i did apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:27.55 | jaami | dpkg reference |
| 16:27.55 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: «aptitude install debian-reference» |
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| 16:28.11 | jaami | dpkg -help |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jaami |
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| 16:28.34 | g105b | How do I check that Debian is using AMD proprietary drivers? |
| 16:28.35 | ctmjr | !tell jaami about msg the bot |
| 16:28.49 | jaami | thanks ctmjr |
| 16:28.56 | tidux | g105b: lsmod |
| 16:29.00 | mtn | jaami: you can use /msg to talk to the bot and we don't have to see all of that ;) |
| 16:29.07 | syeekick | hi i tried putting windows iso on a bootable flash drive inside linux using tux boot it dint work |
| 16:29.33 | g105b | tidux: where does that list tell me? |
| 16:29.47 | jaami | mtn, yes, forgot that was told yesterday. :) |
| 16:29.51 | tidux | the proprietary drivers are called fglrx, the free ones called radeon |
| 16:29.54 | tidux | so just grep around |
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| 16:30.07 | g105b | Ah, looks like they are free still... |
| 16:30.27 | antoon | after replacing a hotswap drive, is there any command (except sync, that appears to do nothing..) i should run for debian to detect it and give it a /dev/sdxx name? |
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| 16:31.32 | jaami | this command does not work for me, can someone check this wget -r -np http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
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| 16:32.05 | tidux | oh for fuck's sake, why the HELL did Debian build Mesa with vdpau disabled? |
| 16:32.14 | tidux | that was the MAJOR reason to push mesa 9.2 at all |
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| 16:32.27 | tidux | grumbles, and writes a bug report |
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| 16:33.31 | jelly | how can mesa utilize vdpau anyway |
| 16:33.51 | tidux | mplayer -vo vdpau for video playback |
| 16:34.11 | jelly | but... that worked before |
| 16:34.15 | tidux | not on AMD |
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| 16:34.25 | jelly | ah |
| 16:34.26 | tidux | that was with the nvidia binary drivers only |
| 16:34.35 | tidux | this will work with the Free drivers on kernel >=3.11 |
| 16:34.43 | tidux | which is conveniently also in Sid |
| 16:34.48 | jelly | so it's "vdpau implementation for radeon" |
| 16:35.01 | tidux | for now it's just radeon |
| 16:35.40 | tidux | but now that the interface is there, there's nothing stopping nouveau or Intel driver developers from implementing it |
| 16:35.42 | tidux | in kernelspace |
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| 16:39.02 | jelly | that will probably mean some more package splitting |
| 16:39.16 | tidux | not really |
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| 16:39.41 | tidux | it's literally just one configure flag |
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| 16:39.56 | jelly | perhaps they wanted to first update the version, then deal with libvdpau* alternatives |
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| 16:40.07 | tidux | there's no "alternative" involved |
| 16:40.17 | tidux | it searches for a specific .so depending on your GPU |
| 16:40.24 | jelly | what does? |
| 16:40.25 | tidux | like for me it searches for libvdpau_r600.so |
| 16:40.33 | tidux | anything using VDPAU |
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| 16:41.54 | jelly | that file has to be provided by some package, like libvdpau-va-gl1 and nvidia-vdpau-driver do. |
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| 16:43.00 | syeekick | im in need of making a bootable flash drive of windows 7.. just used tuxboot and it didnt work |
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| 16:43.56 | tidux | syeekick: format the drive NTFS and cp -r the contents of a Win7 iso to it |
| 16:44.17 | syeekick | cp -r |
| 16:44.37 | jelly | and make it bootable, how? |
| 16:44.38 | mathisen | syeekick try " winusb " otherwise |
| 16:44.42 | syeekick | ok |
| 16:44.49 | tidux | that -is- going to result in a bootable drive |
| 16:44.51 | tidux | I've done it before |
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| 16:45.03 | tidux | just make sure the partition is flagged active or bootable |
| 16:45.26 | jelly | tidux: who's going to write the relevant mbr code to make it bootable? |
| 16:45.35 | mathisen | somone ban Cretinus pls ... spam pm |
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| 16:45.42 | tidux | jelly: you don't need to |
| 16:45.53 | tidux | it boots without explicitly writing a bootloader |
| 16:45.59 | tidux | that's what the "active partition" flag means |
| 16:46.40 | syeekick | tidux, thats cool. whats the exact command line |
| 16:46.51 | jelly | tidux: I thought it meant "MBR code finds the boot partition flag, loads its boot sector and passes control" |
| 16:47.22 | jelly | tidux: but perhaps BIOS does that these days. I didn't back when I'd used windows. |
| 16:47.33 | jelly | it* didn't |
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| 16:47.43 | tidux | syeekick: mount the iso as a loopback device |
| 16:47.50 | tidux | then format the drive ntfs |
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| 16:47.53 | tidux | then copy |
| 16:48.01 | tidux | do you really need me to spoon feed you more than that? |
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| 16:49.03 | syeekick | erm well i've been using it for a about 5 days |
| 16:49.07 | syeekick | linux that is |
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| 16:49.59 | tidux | well then go away and learn how to use the shell |
| 16:49.59 | tidux | bye |
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| 16:50.14 | syeekick | thanks |
| 16:50.18 | ctmjr | someone needs a nap |
| 16:50.26 | jubo2 | and some benzos |
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| 16:50.41 | ctmjr | :) |
| 16:51.00 | syeekick | well its nice to know where new linux stands in terms of help |
| 16:51.07 | syeekick | new linux users^ |
| 16:51.21 | mtn | syeekick: to be honest, you should go to a windows channel to install windows |
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| 16:52.07 | syeekick | im using debian and i need to install windows on a diff machine for my cousin. this laptop isnt ever going to run windows again |
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| 16:52.37 | mtn | syeekick: still, the windows channel is a much better source of info for installing windows |
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| 16:53.00 | jelly | syeekick: you might want to ask the ##windows channel, there are many users using both OSes there |
| 16:53.03 | Cyis | syeekick: I didn't see your initial question but if in general if you don't have a well formed question or you ask one that is easily answerable with "RTFM" or "Google It" ... you can expect to be blasted harshly |
| 16:53.30 | syeekick | ok |
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| 16:57.12 | syeekick | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=61464 |
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| 16:57.19 | syeekick | would all that work? :) |
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| 16:58.49 | jhutchins_wk | You could try it, then you could tell us. |
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| 16:59.23 | oo_miguel | I created an git user and asscoiated it with the git-shell. now I get fatal: Interactive git shell is not enabled. |
| 16:59.27 | oo_miguel | hint: ~/git-shell-commands should exist and have read and execute access. |
| 16:59.28 | jhutchins_wk | tries to remember how many years it's been since he last installed Windows... more than ten I'm pretty sure... |
| 16:59.40 | oo_miguel | what does this mean? any ideas? |
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| 17:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: I think it means that the interactive git shell is not enabled. |
| 17:00.50 | oo_miguel | jhutchins_wk: sounds like that ;) |
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| 17:03.59 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: cat /usr/share/doc/git-<ver>/contrib/git-shell-commands/README |
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| 17:04.24 | jay10 | I have a bare bone console only install of debian. Now i want to install a light wight GUI . Is there an virtual pakage for any GUI? |
| 17:05.09 | jhutchins_wk | jay10: xfce4, lxde |
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| 17:06.22 | jhutchins_wk | I seem to be getting poor download speeds on two RTL8111 cards on my Gigabit network. Upload's pretty good (800+). |
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| 17:06.38 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 17:06.38 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 17:06.44 | jhutchins_wk | New Intel system gets good speeds. |
| 17:07.10 | jay10 | Thanks |
| 17:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | So does an older XP Laptop from work. |
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| 17:08.42 | fruitFly | I'm trying to decide between http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lenovo+-+IdeaPad+14%22+Touch-Screen+Laptop+-+6GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Graphite+Gray/1751582.p?skuId=1751582&productCategoryId=pcmcat247400050000&id=1219063244368&ref=199&loc=je6NUbpObpQ&siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-tcwobDFqX8c65c6NQaieGw#tab=overview and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231046&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp= |
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| 17:09.10 | fruitFly | the asus's nic's seem to check out: Lan: atheros and wlan: intel centrino |
| 17:09.12 | mtn | fruitFly: you should go to #debian-offtopic for this conversation |
| 17:09.27 | fruitFly | mtn: ok sorry |
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| 17:10.10 | Iridos | buuuuuut... support's offtopic on offtopic |
| 17:10.21 | jelly | no buuts |
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| 17:13.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | DD is freaking SLOW |
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| 17:14.40 | petemc | you can specify a larger bytesize with bs= |
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| 17:14.45 | petemc | which often speeds things up |
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| 17:15.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh... |
| 17:15.25 | babilen | Or just use cp or cat which both scale the blocksize dynamically |
| 17:15.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | smacks head |
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| 17:15.35 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: What are you doing? |
| 17:15.36 | jelly | block size, yes. 1M is a good ballpark value |
| 17:15.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | dding the ISO of debian to the usb drive.. |
| 17:16.08 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL, babilen: or pv for that nice ETA ascii bar |
| 17:16.12 | petemc | last time i did i used whatever size the cache of disk was, possibly 8M |
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| 17:16.39 | babilen | jelly: Or, yes, the wonderful pv .. or dcfldd for a better dd with progress reports |
| 17:16.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | how would i use PV |
| 17:17.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 17:17.02 | jelly | that one loses on the grounds of wtf were they thinking with the name |
| 17:17.07 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: yeah, just use cp or pv or dcfldd (and specify the blocksize) |
| 17:17.08 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: just like cat |
| 17:17.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | sudo dd if=debian-7.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=8M |
| 17:17.40 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: ie. pv < isofile > /dev/kittens |
| 17:17.57 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: You really don't need dd there as you are copying the *entire* file. Just use cp, "pv debian-7.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso > /dev/sdd" or dcfldd |
| 17:17.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 17:18.04 | babilen | err, yes |
| 17:18.06 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:18.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | nice kittens! |
| 17:18.21 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: forget my pv example, haven't used it in a while and jelly got it right |
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| 17:18.28 | jelly | I think pv foo > bar works as well |
| 17:18.48 | jelly | it has that dwim feel |
| 17:18.49 | bbtech | How do I determine which disk holds the OS? |
| 17:18.52 | babilen | jelly: I haven't used it a while and your syntax looks more familiar |
| 17:18.56 | babilen | checks the manpage |
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| 17:19.03 | babilen | DWIM! |
| 17:19.10 | jelly | !dwim |
| 17:19.10 | dpkg | dwim is probably Do What I Mean, programming mantra |
| 17:19.30 | jelly | babilen: opposite of wimp |
| 17:19.44 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: So you can cp to the device and it's the same as cat or dd? Doesn't just save the file to the filesystem? |
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| 17:20.00 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: what filesystem |
| 17:20.22 | babilen | jelly: It's one of the few things that emacs has that vim doesn't |
| 17:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: USB drives often come with a non-partitioned filesystem. |
| 17:20.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok lets see if this works.. |
| 17:20.37 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: everything is a file |
| 17:20.43 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: I guess as long as it's not mounted, you're writing to the device, not the filesystem. |
| 17:20.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | us usr the pv will make it bootable or do i need to do that with fdisk/gparted? |
| 17:20.59 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: as long as you're writing to the device, you're wriitng to the device |
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| 17:21.19 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: If you copy a file from one file system to another then yes, that is what you do. If you, however copy from or to a block device you write directly to that. dd is not "more low-level" or "closer to the disk" than cp. |
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| 17:21.28 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:21.34 | bbtech | So, "df" tells me my root partition is on /dev/mapper/debian-root but how do I determine which disk it is..../dev/sd? |
| 17:21.39 | jhutchins_wk | Eryn_1983_FL: The image itself is bootable, so no further steps needed. |
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| 17:21.57 | eptalon | how do I run an xfs check on a non-root xfs filesystem which I cannot unmount or mount ro? |
| 17:22.05 | eptalon | (/var) |
| 17:22.27 | jhutchins_wk | eptalon: shutdown -Fr now? |
| 17:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | bbtech: Use the lvm tools. |
| 17:23.01 | babilen | jelly: I will have to test that later, but I've definitely seen "your way" before and am (even after glimpsing at the manpage) not convinced that my way doesn't work ;) |
| 17:23.13 | babilen | I think it does though, so :) |
| 17:23.51 | dbast_ | eptalon, boot a different linux like a live linux from cd/dvd/usb/pxe and do the check |
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| 17:24.04 | eptalon | dbast_: good idea |
| 17:24.09 | babilen | bbtech: it could be multiple physical volumes |
| 17:24.30 | eptalon | dbast_: problem is that it is on an lvm volume |
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| 17:24.48 | bbtech | babilen, good point, in this case it is not....still looking for the appropriate lvm command |
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| 17:25.38 | jelly | babilen: "pv .zshrc" wfm |
| 17:25.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright i got it going |
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| 17:25.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 17:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Did you say pv was from emacs? |
| 17:27.36 | babilen | bbtech: {lv,vg,pv}display |
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| 17:28.04 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: nope |
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| 17:30.28 | bbtech | babilen, thanks, even with those commands I do not see anything that clearly maps the volume to the disk |
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| 17:30.49 | bbtech | babilen, In my case I can figure it out because there is only one physical disk using lvm |
| 17:31.17 | bbtech | babilen, but if there were multiple disks, I don't think I could map a partition to a disk (unless I'm missing something) |
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| 17:32.42 | bbtech | babilen, here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/62965/ |
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| 17:33.28 | bbtech | babilen, I take it back |
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| 17:33.54 | bbtech | lvdisplay lists a "VG Name" and that "VG Name" is also listed under pvdisplay |
| 17:34.17 | dmbaturin | Hey guys! What is the proper way to rebuild the kernel packag? |
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| 17:35.24 | Brigo | dmbaturin: make-kpkg |
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| 17:36.38 | dmbaturin | Brigo: Inside the dir with debian/ ? |
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| 17:37.17 | Brigo | dmbaturin: sorry, i dont remember. Try the man page |
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| 17:39.40 | Brigo | dmbaturin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 17:40.07 | dmbaturin | Brigo: Thanks, will have a look. |
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| 17:48.23 | somiaj | dmbaturin: modern linux kernels already contain a 'make debpackage' or something like that, so you don't have to use make-dpkg anymore |
| 17:48.57 | somiaj | dmbaturin: looks like it is 'make deb-pkg' provided you have all the debian packaging tools installed. |
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| 17:49.09 | somiaj | though make-kpkg will still work |
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| 17:50.22 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Yep, I do have the full toolchain. |
| 17:50.45 | somiaj | dmbaturin: so in that case you don't need a special tool, just configure the source then run that make command. |
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| 17:50.59 | somiaj | dmbaturin: may I ask why you are compling a kernel? (they usually compile just fine, but configuring the compile can be a pain) |
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| 17:53.35 | DebiOna | Hi!!! Why is ther a DVD-1.iso DVD-2.iso and DVD-3.iso available to download at debian website? What differences are there? |
| 17:53.50 | smash___ | wait wait |
| 17:53.55 | smash___ | what you want to do? |
| 17:54.22 | smash___ | install debian as a server os or with an desktop environment like gnome etc? |
| 17:54.31 | smash___ | s/an/as |
| 17:54.37 | dmbaturin | somiaj: For a derivative distro. :) |
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| 17:54.44 | somiaj | DebiOna: they are provided for offline installs, so someone can download all debian packages. |
| 17:55.01 | DebiOna | do I need all of the 3? |
| 17:55.03 | somiaj | dmbaturin: this is really a bad place for support for that, we are here to support debian not the dervatives. : |
| 17:55.05 | DebiOna | or any will do? |
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| 17:55.31 | somiaj | DebiOna: If you have a good internet connenction you can get away with the 300meg (ish) netinstall imagage and install debian from that |
| 17:55.32 | dmbaturin | DebiOna: If you have internet connection, just get the CD and install over the network. |
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| 17:55.46 | DebiOna | the thing is I don't |
| 17:55.47 | somiaj | DebiOna: most will only need dvd1 -- again depending on what you want pick the install media most appropriate. |
| 17:56.10 | somiaj | DebiOna: dvd1 will contain most common packages, so that should be enough. You can download more if you desire though. |
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| 17:56.16 | somiaj | (which is why there are there, for the option) |
| 17:56.18 | dmbaturin | DebiOna: Just DVD-1 will give you an operational system for sure. |
| 17:56.25 | DebiOna | i would make an USB...so there's actually no limit as for size...the thing is....i cannot make a usb stick with all 3 isos...can i? |
| 17:56.38 | somiaj | DebiOna: yes and no. |
| 17:56.43 | DebiOna | i wanna use debian as a samba server |
| 17:57.13 | dmbaturin | DebiOna: Then DVD-1 should be enough. |
| 17:57.13 | somiaj | DebiOna: It would be complicated to make all the images on one usb drive. |
| 17:57.27 | DebiOna | ok...i will download all of the them...and use dvd1.iso as the boot one in the stick |
| 17:57.34 | somiaj | DebiOna: I would just get dvd1 and put it on the usbdrive. The few packages not on dvd1 you need can be downloaded. |
| 17:57.42 | DebiOna | and will have the others just in case i need them |
| 17:57.48 | somiaj | DebiOna: for the most part you may find you don't need any packages on the other dvds |
| 17:57.58 | dmbaturin | DebiOna: DVDs can be used as repos (well, they are repos). |
| 17:58.17 | DebiOna | ok...what confused me is huge size of dvd-2 and dvd.3... |
| 17:58.19 | dmbaturin | So if not sure, install minimal base system and add the rest step by step. |
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| 17:58.45 | DebiOna | ok thnxxx! |
| 17:59.05 | dmbaturin | somiaj: I pretty much realize it's a bad place for support, but debian is what I'm deriving the distro from, so... :) |
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| 17:59.20 | somiaj | DebiOna: debian contains thousands of packages, but many packages are not used by that many people, hence most the common stuff is on dvd1 |
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| 17:59.38 | DebiOna | so...can a ISO be used as a repo? any need to extract it? |
| 17:59.51 | dmbaturin | No, no need to extract. |
| 18:00.04 | somiaj | DebiOna: with some work, you will have to convice your install it is a cdrom device, and then mount it as a loopback device |
| 18:00.05 | DebiOna | alright...thank you all! |
| 18:00.06 | DebiOna | goodbye! |
| 18:00.13 | dmbaturin | If you install from the DVD, I think you will have it in sources.list automatically. |
| 18:00.23 | somiaj | so with proper configurations you can use the .iso directally and not have to put the image onto a dvd or usbdrive |
| 18:00.28 | dmbaturin | (It's been a while I installed from local drive) |
| 18:00.31 | somiaj | [for repos, not for the install] |
| 18:00.48 | somiaj | dmbaturin: correct, the install runs apt-cdrom and scans the dvd |
| 18:01.02 | DebiOna | thank you !!! byebye! |
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| 18:18.12 | FreezingCold | How do you keep third party .deb's updated? |
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| 18:24.22 | logdom | Hello all. one quick question. How do I upgrade to kernel 3.9 with apt? I tried to add sid as component in the source.list but I found only linux-image-3.11-1 .. any advices? |
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| 18:24.37 | nutron | logdom: wheezy? |
| 18:24.42 | logdom | yep |
| 18:25.21 | nutron | Backports ... $aptitude -t wheezy-backports search linux (after you add the source) |
| 18:25.37 | nutron | logdom: or you could compile your own =) |
| 18:26.09 | logdom | I did it, but I was to lazy to move to the router. my wifi adapter was not recognized :))) |
| 18:26.30 | logdom | actually I compiled everytime, but I wanted to try out the new kernel with apt, never did it |
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| 18:28.41 | logdom | I tried this: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free in source.list and it works now, I found it |
| 18:29.00 | logdom | linux-image-3.9-0.bpo |
| 18:29.14 | nutron | I'm running wheezy 64bit, running iceweasel and chromium. I have a few comrades =) who need to access a few webinars for training through a Cisco webex enabled site. Seems that this java applet brings in two libraries (libdr.so and libatdv.so) and attempts to load them but on the terminal, the system complains that these are the wrong ELFCLASS (32bit libraries attempting to be accessed in a 64bit environment). What are my options with this closed-s |
| 18:29.14 | nutron | ource solution? Can I run the java applet in a wrapper? Or... Dual boot 32bit wheezy? =/ |
| 18:29.25 | DammitJim | can one have an openssh server that uses keys but also password authentication? |
| 18:29.31 | nutron | logdom: gj |
| 18:29.44 | logdom | :)) my brain is goood! :))) |
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| 18:29.49 | logdom | thanks man for the help |
| 18:29.53 | mumpitzel | !tell nutron about multiarch |
| 18:29.54 | calzifer | hi, how can i install xbmc on jessie/testing? |
| 18:30.00 | nutron | np |
| 18:30.12 | DammitJim | calzifer, multimedia repo |
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| 18:30.25 | calzifer | DammitJim: you mean the unofficial one? |
| 18:30.25 | nutron | mumpitzel: I know about multiarch, iceweasel 64bit conflicts with the 32bit version. Not really a solution is it? |
| 18:30.30 | brilliant_ | logdom: awesome |
| 18:30.32 | DammitJim | yup |
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| 18:31.28 | calzifer | i always thought its not recommended to install packages from other repos |
| 18:32.15 | nutron | It's not, because it causes possible bugs outside of the main system. But seeing that xbmc will not be in debian, it's really your only choice. |
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| 18:33.22 | boudiccas | how can i get a list of programs installed with apt-get between 1619 and 1640, the command that i used was 'sudo apt-get build-dep xchat' |
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| 18:34.50 | abrotman | boudiccas: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:35.49 | boudiccas | abrotman; yes, i've got that listing but its in the format of '2013-10-30 16:39:43 status half-configured libc-bin:i386 2.17-93 2013-10-30 16:39:51 status installed libc-bin:i386 2.17-93' |
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| 18:35.52 | mumpitzel | nutron: then your iceweasel is broken |
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| 18:36.14 | mumpitzel | nutron: you could run a 32bit chroot too of course if you insist |
| 18:36.19 | boudiccas | i need the programs without the crud in the listings |
| 18:37.02 | ExeciN | there is no space left on /tmp how can I deal with that? |
| 18:38.12 | DammitJim | for openssh, if one disables root logins, the user is still asked for a password, correct? |
| 18:38.22 | abrotman | boudiccas: grep installed out .. |
| 18:38.25 | DammitJim | I"m testing some changes I'm making to that service to make it more "secure" |
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| 18:38.41 | deego | DammitJim: y |
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| 18:39.13 | boudiccas | abrotman; ok, thanks |
| 18:39.15 | DammitJim | and the logs are the same? they'll just say authentication failure? |
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| 18:43.35 | ExeciN | I have to make my /home partition smaller, move my /swap partition, expand my / partition and update the GUIDs. Is there an easier way? |
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| 18:43.45 | killown | my cups is extremely slow, and it happened suddenly, it was working before during months, anyone has any idea what it could be? the system has not been updated neither conf changes was made |
| 18:44.16 | killown | the web interface takes 10 minutes to reply |
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| 18:44.49 | killown | others web services are working fine |
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| 18:45.01 | DammitJim | wait a minute... using a public key will now ask for a passphrase... is the idea here to be able to put the passphrase in scripts vs a user's password? |
| 18:45.16 | killown | please |
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| 18:46.16 | petern_ | You can create a public key without a passphrase... |
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| 18:47.57 | DammitJim | petern_, oh |
| 18:48.15 | DammitJim | but there is no way to tell openssh not to ask for the passphrase, right? |
| 18:48.21 | DammitJim | 'cause that would defeat the purpose |
| 18:48.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | jelly: you suck |
| 18:48.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | it didnt work |
| 18:48.33 | mojzesz | i have problem with graphic card trident video accelerator cyberblade xp |
| 18:48.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant boot from it |
| 18:48.39 | petern_ | DammitJim, no, because if there is one, then the key is encrypted. |
| 18:48.52 | mojzesz | it's not working good under debian squeeze |
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| 18:49.14 | mojzesz | i have only window in the middle of screen |
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| 18:49.33 | mojzesz | has anyone knows how can i change this> |
| 18:49.40 | DammitJim | I'm afraid to disable PAM authentication because I might not have a machine with a public key that I might want to use to log on to my server |
| 18:49.45 | DammitJim | is there a way around that? |
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| 18:50.22 | petern_ | So... what was the actual issue? |
| 18:50.33 | nutron | oh, wheezy's iceweasel is broken? For shame! |
| 18:50.40 | nutron | Maybe it's aptitude =) |
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| 18:50.47 | j0n4th4n | buenas |
| 18:51.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying DD now |
| 18:51.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh this sucks! |
| 18:51.42 | mojzesz | can anyone help me with this graphic card? |
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| 18:54.08 | mojzesz | how can i do full screen now? |
| 18:54.12 | nutron | Ok, so I'll output what the system says when I try to install iceweasel:i386.... Certainly not a solution.... |
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| 18:55.57 | nutron | http://sprunge.us/TECG <-- aptitude's response on wheezy to requesting an install of iceweasel:i386 |
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| 18:57.52 | nutron | sooo.... I guess I can try installing the icedtea plugin in the 32bit flavour, I have a sneaking suspicion that's asking too much. |
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| 18:59.40 | nutron | lol... there goes most of the system being uninstalled \o/.... y'know this multiarch support brings back memories of RH 5.0... dependency hell... |
| 18:59.49 | nutron | or is aptitude now a total pos? |
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| 19:00.46 | ExeciN | I need to make my /home partition smaller, move my /swap partition, expand my / partition and update the GUIDs on fstab. Can I do this from ramdisk (recovery)? |
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| 19:02.42 | nutron | I've stumped 1440 people! \o/ |
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| 19:03.26 | no_gravity | Hello! Im running Debian 7 and im about to try Ubuntu 13 in VirtualBox inside Debian. How much % of native speed will i get out of this? |
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| 19:03.49 | nutron | I guess a dual boot is the only real option. A chroot is asking for hell, it'll download things in the wrong place, people will ask why they can't view pdf files... oh the list brings back memories of 2004 ... oh sarge, how I miss you! |
| 19:03.58 | nutron | no_gravity: how long is a piece of string? |
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| 19:04.50 | ExeciN | no_gravity: < 100% |
| 19:04.58 | no_gravity | ExeciN: rather 90% or rather 10%? |
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| 19:06.28 | Rasteril | Hello |
| 19:06.44 | ExeciN | no_gravity: I don't know the variables are too many, try and see |
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| 19:07.22 | Rasteril | I am experiencing some lag while rendering windows in my XServer. Does anyone know what could cause this? |
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| 19:08.09 | Rasteril | I don't know when it happened, but since some time in the past the windows in my DE (i3) don't operate as fluently as before |
| 19:08.43 | well_laid_lawn | Rasteril: is something using all the cpu ? |
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| 19:09.38 | Rasteril | well_laid_lawn, actually, the CPU is at 7%, ... I am thinking I might be missing a module? Or bad config... |
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| 19:10.10 | ExeciN | Rasteril: do you connect locally or remotely? |
| 19:10.28 | Rasteril | ExeciN, I connect locally |
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| 19:11.39 | Rasteril | Can it be something with rendering bitmaps? |
| 19:12.07 | Rasteril | Everything moves in chucky motions. |
| 19:12.45 | ExeciN | Rasteril: what is your graphics card? |
| 19:13.12 | Rasteril | ExeciN: I am using an ATI Radeon 3400 series HD |
| 19:14.04 | Rasteril | ExeciN, The graphics card might actually be the problem. |
| 19:15.25 | Rasteril | ExeciN, my PC starts being really loud and hardworking when watching something as simple as a Youtube video. On Windows, this goes without any problems |
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| 19:16.41 | Rasteril | ExeciN, This is a problem I'm fighting since a long time ago. What should be my next move? |
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| 19:19.21 | DammitJim | what is the difference between generating an rsa vs a dsa? |
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| 19:19.30 | DammitJim | I generated a dsa for ssh |
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| 19:19.48 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: they're different encryption methods |
| 19:19.59 | DammitJim | but I can mix and match for openssh, right? |
| 19:20.07 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: yes |
| 19:20.10 | ExeciN | Rasteril: it might be the graphic driver/firmware |
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| 19:20.24 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Signature_Algorithm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_(algorithm) for details |
| 19:20.58 | Rasteril | ExeciN: Do you think I should install the proprietary fglrx driver? |
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| 19:22.00 | ExeciN | Rasteril: I don't really know. My hardware is far different from yours |
| 19:22.37 | Rasteril | ExeciN, of course. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. |
| 19:22.40 | mtn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.46 | hesco | to boot from a usb thumb drive, do I want to put the iso there, or to unpackage the iso into a filesystem? |
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| 19:24.29 | mtn | hesco: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 19:25.28 | hesco | thanks mtn: checking that out now |
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| 19:27.22 | horst2 | Where is the conf-file for tftpd-hpa? |
| 19:27.39 | zophy | does debian have a web app for managing the feature set of an debian installation ? |
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| 19:29.19 | hesco | horst2: from memory, you want to look in /etc/inet.d somewhere |
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| 19:30.48 | ExeciN | Can the Debian 7.2 live CD be EFI loaded? |
| 19:31.00 | DammitJim | I guess I can carry a public key with me in case I need to ssh into my server from another machine that has never connected to it? |
| 19:31.08 | horst2 | zophy: http://webssh.sxx.in/ for example |
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| 19:32.00 | zophy | horst2, all the .in websites are viruses and banned mostly] |
| 19:33.22 | mr_dallas | after a long overdue upgrade found myself wasting several hours last night debugging/fixing a syslog problem, is the consensus that sysklogd should be replaced by rsyslog? |
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| 19:34.13 | Dirkos | What wrong with my script: Due some reason the tar files (line 18) are not stored inside that folder but next to it: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/a5c4188a |
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| 19:34.32 | zophy | i think it is a good idea to evaluate syslog and i concur completely |
| 19:34.57 | zophy | i think it is a good idea for you to evaluate syslog and i concur completely |
| 19:35.18 | zophy | i think it is a good idea for you to evaluate syslog for me and i concur completely |
| 19:35.25 | tremon | Dirkos: look up execdir in find first |
| 19:35.29 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: No, you would need to carry a private key that matches the public key on your server. |
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| 19:36.22 | DammitJim | that's what I mean, sorry... to carry the private key in a USB drive |
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| 19:36.44 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Right, that'd work. |
| 19:36.53 | zophy | DammitJim, buy us a round of drinks while we patch this |
| 19:36.53 | DammitJim | is that not recommended? |
| 19:37.12 | Dirkos | tremon read... but do i really need it? Since i also use tar -C |
| 19:37.15 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Check how to specify the private key when connecting... maybe throw putty and a few utilities on it. |
| 19:37.30 | DammitJim | yeah, I know how to do it on putty |
| 19:37.53 | zophy | DammitJim, you never need to use your private key remotely |
| 19:37.56 | DammitJim | I don't know why I feel weird generating all these private/public keys from each machine that I use to connect to my server |
| 19:38.09 | tremon | Dirkos: you need neither the sh -c nor the tar -C |
| 19:38.13 | DammitJim | I'm about to disable PAM authentication on openssh |
| 19:38.28 | Dirkos | tremon: any time to help? Im not very known to bash so |
| 19:38.29 | mr_dallas | after a long overdue upgrade found myself wasting several hours last night debugging/fixing a syslog problem, is the consensus that sysklogd should be replaced by rsyslog? |
| 19:38.37 | jhutchins_wk | zophy: Yes, in his example, he would take the private key with him and use it to connect from a remote machine to his server which has the associated public key in it's authorized_keys file. |
| 19:39.08 | tremon | Dirkos: I also need to to clarify your question, what files are not stored inside which folder? |
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| 19:40.22 | tremon | Dirkos: although I think you can answer that question yourself by running find /var/domains/* -maxdepth 1 -type d and examining the output |
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| 19:40.41 | DammitJim | ugh, I hate that I cannot access files on my phone anymore! |
| 19:40.42 | Dirkos | tremon, the output is ok... it are 2 directories inside that dir |
| 19:41.00 | Dirkos | i want to create a tar of them (seperately) as /backup/currentdate(yyymmdd)/folder.tar.gz |
| 19:41.17 | Dirkos | all that worked though, except that the files came in /backup/folder.tar.gz |
| 19:41.28 | Dirkos | if i replaced ${now} with the current date it worked |
| 19:41.32 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: ...because? |
| 19:41.45 | Dirkos | like sudo find /var/domains/* -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec sh -c 'tar -C $(dirname {}) -czf /backup/20131030/$(basename {}).tar.gz $(basename {})' \; |
| 19:41.53 | DammitJim | now I need to carry a USB stick... LOL... one more thing to carry |
| 19:42.16 | DammitJim | the Samsung Galaxy S4 has MTP and I can't just mount it as a mass storage device |
| 19:42.19 | Dirkos | Even though i defined "now" at the top of the script... it will also be output correct if i echo it |
| 19:42.20 | DammitJim | I need mtpfs |
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| 19:42.34 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Ah. |
| 19:42.56 | DammitJim | maybe I should just get it tattooed |
| 19:42.58 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 19:43.19 | DammitJim | of course, putting a private key on Google Drive would be silly |
| 19:43.26 | tremon | Dirkos: that's because you've inserted an sh -c where you don't need it. Either export now or find -exec tar ... |
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| 19:43.43 | zinx | DammitJim: i just store mine on github like everyone else :P |
| 19:44.01 | DammitJim | really? |
| 19:44.05 | Dirkos | tremon: how do you mean export now? |
| 19:44.06 | tremon | with execdir that would be find -execdir tar czf /backup/$now/'{}'.tar.gz '{}' \; |
| 19:44.14 | DammitJim | I need to learn how to use github |
| 19:44.18 | tremon | Dirkos: export now=$(date...) |
| 19:44.36 | Dirkos | tremon: what does it do? |
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| 19:46.13 | Dirkos | tremon: when i add it to my bash script it is still not working |
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| 19:46.22 | tremon | what does what do? export? it makes a shell variable available to child processes |
| 19:46.25 | DammitJim | oh man, zinx ! one needs to pay to have a private repo! |
| 19:47.30 | tremon | Dirkos: add set -x to the top of your script, run it and paste the output |
| 19:47.38 | Dirkos | tremon: well when i add that to the script, the same happens..... the 2 dirs i am creating an archive from, are not put INSIDE the backup/date dir but next to it |
| 19:48.42 | Dirkos | tremon: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/bc985b4c |
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| 19:48.57 | horst2 | hesco: Thanks tfpd fixed! |
| 19:48.58 | tremon | Dirkos: have you re-examined the output of find again, like I told you? Is it outputting the 2 dirs you want to make backups of? |
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| 19:49.13 | Dirkos | tremon: yes the find output is ok |
| 19:49.21 | Dirkos | also the correct archives are made |
| 19:49.31 | Dirkos | the thing is that $now is not added at the TAR path to put them |
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| 19:50.05 | tremon | Dirkos: remove the sh -c |
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| 19:51.53 | tremon | ehh, that probably won't work without also using execdir |
| 19:52.18 | Dirkos | so exec = execdir? |
| 19:52.40 | tremon | Dirkos: see 20 lines up |
| 19:53.36 | Dirkos | you are making me confused now lol |
| 19:54.17 | tremon | recounts and is surprised it is exactly 20 lines up |
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| 19:54.59 | Dirkos | tremon: well sorry but i have no clue where we are heading atm |
| 19:55.07 | zophy | i miss my mom |
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| 19:56.07 | zophy | please join with channel #mom |
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| 19:56.22 | Dirkos | tremon: so if u could give me some more help it would be very kind |
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| 19:58.37 | tremon | Dirkos: try running the following in the shell and tell me if that produces what you want: find /var/domains -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -execdir tar czf /backup/20131031/'{}' '{}' \; |
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| 19:59.34 | tremon | err, the first '{}' should have a .tar.gz following it |
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| 20:00.51 | Dirkos | http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/4e305e3c |
| 20:00.53 | Dirkos | not really working |
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| 20:02.08 | tremon | argh. how nice of tar to prefix the argument with ./ |
| 20:02.51 | Dirkos | yep |
| 20:03.27 | Dirkos | anything todo about it? |
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| 20:05.58 | tremon | well yes, but not easily with find. And using basename without the sh -c is not possible, so you're probably looking at using a glob loop instead |
| 20:06.15 | Dirkos | hmm or just use zip instead? |
| 20:06.32 | Dirkos | or what do u suggest? Couldnt be that hard what i am looking for is it? |
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| 20:07.44 | Dirkos | i just want a simple backup from my files |
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| 20:08.06 | tremon | it isn't hard. Just don't use find. cd /var/domains ; for dir in */ ; do tar czf "/backup/$now/${dir%/}.tar.gz" "${dir}" ; done |
| 20:09.19 | Dirkos | lol thats what i need whehe thnx alot |
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| 20:31.26 | schultza | im having problems with ssh into a user on a debian os where my .bashrc doesnt load until I load another bash shell. |
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| 20:31.38 | schultza | yet, root user loads it's .bashrc file |
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| 20:35.34 | abrotman | schultza: what does the top of the .bashrc say ? |
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| 20:35.52 | jhutchins_wk | schultza: Perhaps the user's default shell is the standard ubuntu default, which is not bash. |
| 20:36.08 | tremon | compare user's .bash_profile with root's .bash_profile |
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| 20:36.14 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, I am having a small issue with apache2 on debian, I am trying to set up AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 on /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset, restarted apache2, but still get UTF-8 |
| 20:36.15 | schultza | it's a debian computer im loging into thats having the issue. |
| 20:36.38 | schultza | echo $SHELL reports /bin/bash |
| 20:36.56 | schultza | both root and user/allen has no .bash_profile in their home dir |
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| 20:39.56 | tremon | are you sure then that root's .bashrc does get loaded? because without an explicit inclusion from the .profile, the bashrc shouldn't be read |
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| 20:40.33 | jordanm | schultza: $SHELL reports the user's login shell, not the shell you are currently running |
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| 20:41.01 | schultza | well, im having problems with the login shell not loading .bashrc. |
| 20:41.10 | schultza | er..~allen/.bashrc |
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| 20:41.25 | tremon | schultza: http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html |
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| 20:42.53 | schultza | thanks... i needed that face palm... sigh |
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| 20:43.30 | schultza | confusing question.. why does /root/.bashrc get executed on login then? |
| 20:43.33 | Mathisen | is there any way to make my debian server run a list of commands when i ssh to it ? |
| 20:43.35 | DammitJim | goodbye PAM authentication |
| 20:43.38 | DammitJim | we'll see how this goes |
| 20:43.51 | dondelelcaro | Mathisen: likewhat? |
| 20:44.01 | schultza | Mathisen: there is... i cant remember the switch for it. |
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| 20:46.50 | tremon | schultza: indeed, that's why I asked you to compare the profile files and double-check that root's rc was executed. unless you su to root of course, which starts a non-login shell |
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| 20:47.24 | schultza | no.. ssh root@ vs allen@ its login.. no .bash_profile in /root/ |
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| 20:48.04 | bael | I need help with NFS. I have configured a nfs server but when I try to mount I cannot see the date only an empty dir. |
| 20:48.12 | jordanm | schultza: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
| 20:48.15 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.15 | bael | -----/export/users 192.168.1.0/24 (rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 20:48.33 | bael | I can see things in /export/users |
| 20:48.44 | bael | but when I mount it with sudo mount -o soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.1.4:/export/lstorage /nfs |
| 20:48.44 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.50 | bael | everything is empty :( |
| 20:48.58 | rhagu | I have some questions regarding pxe on debian, is this the right channel? |
| 20:49.04 | jordanm | bael: /export/lstorage vs /export/users |
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| 20:49.21 | jhutchins_wk | bael: Perhaps if you were to specify -t nfs? |
| 20:49.22 | jordanm | rhagu: yes |
| 20:49.37 | tremon | schultza: check /etc/profile for oddities, there are some root-specific things in mine (like changing the prompt) but nothing about reading /root/.bashrc |
| 20:49.48 | CaptainKnots | I wonder why i'm banned from #debian on oftc |
| 20:49.51 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: i would expect an error if mount wasn't smart enough to figure that out |
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| 20:50.13 | tremon | CaptainKnots: no such channel, I believe |
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| 20:50.27 | jordanm | tremon: #debian exists on oftc |
| 20:50.43 | rhagu | thanks, I am about to set up a pxe server with dnsmasq and already created a /tftp/pxelinux.cfg folder as well as a /tftp/pxelinux.0 but now I am looking for ways to allow a more graphical boot |
| 20:50.55 | avar | I'm running Gnome on testing from the default install, now when I plug in my phone it's "mounted" in nautilus, but doesn't show up when I run "mount" in the shell. How do I configure gnome to actually mount it in /media/$USER as usual? |
| 20:50.56 | tremon | well don't mind me then :) |
| 20:50.59 | jhutchins_wk | CaptainKnots: Are you identified? |
| 20:51.13 | CaptainKnots | jhutchins_wk: yeah |
| 20:51.15 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: you don't have to be |
| 20:51.17 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: irc.debian.net is oftc. |
| 20:51.32 | jordanm | CaptainKnots: can you join other debian channels, eg #debian-games? |
| 20:51.36 | jhutchins_wk | CaptainKnots: What message do you get? |
| 20:51.39 | g105b | How do I detect if my system is using AMD proprietary drivers? |
| 20:51.43 | CaptainKnots | jordanm: yes |
| 20:51.53 | CaptainKnots | I get "Cannot join #debian (You are banned)." |
| 20:51.58 | jordanm | g105b: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:52.04 | rhagu | not just the normal vesamenu.c32 |
| 20:52.09 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: Ask the person who installed the system which drivers they installed. |
| 20:52.16 | CaptainKnots | which is funny because I don't think I've ever been in that channel |
| 20:52.27 | CaptainKnots | and I've never been on oftc with my current ip |
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| 20:52.38 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: ok I rephrase, how do I detect whether the AMD drivers installed correctly? |
| 20:52.45 | jhutchins_wk | CaptainKnots: Possibly someone was using the same nic. |
| 20:52.48 | g105b | jordanm: not running x server |
| 20:53.09 | CaptainKnots | jhutchins_wk: I'm not sure how because I have it registered |
| 20:53.17 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: run the xserver and check the log. |
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| 20:53.34 | jhutchins_wk | CaptainKnots: That doesn't mean someone else can't use it, they just can't ident. |
| 20:53.46 | CaptainKnots | lame |
| 20:53.52 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: not running xserver |
| 20:53.57 | CaptainKnots | it should change their nick if they don't ident |
| 20:54.03 | jordanm | g105b: then what proprietary drivers do you mean? |
| 20:54.06 | bael | jordanm, I have change it now to: /export 192.168.1.0/24 (rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 20:54.23 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: Yes, I saw that. If you're not runiing x, why do you care what drivers you have? |
| 20:54.24 | bael | jordanm: and /export/lstorage 192.168.1.0/24 (rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
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| 20:54.36 | g105b | jordanm: the fglrx amd drivers to get more efficient access to GPU |
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| 20:54.45 | bael | jordanm: and mounting sudo mount -o soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.1.4:/export/lstorage /nfs2 |
| 20:54.45 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.50 | jordanm | g105b: lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 20:54.51 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: because my GPU is performing badly on open source dribers |
| 20:55.07 | g105b | jordanm: aha that's it, thanks |
| 20:55.26 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: I would guess cuda or w/e the ATI equivilent is |
| 20:55.59 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: Does he mean that he's running a different GUI server? |
| 20:56.22 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: no, it would mean he is using the GPU for parrallel processing, rather than display |
| 20:56.28 | serverhorror | hello, does anyone know of a way to somehow "expire" ssh keys? I know the ssh keys don't have a notion of expiration date, but maybe there's a x509 pam module that can be stacked or something that does challenge response with gnupg keys (I found monkeysphere, but maybe there's something else) |
| 20:56.40 | bael | jhutchins_wk: What do you mean? <jhutchins_wk> bael: Perhaps if you were to specify -t nfs |
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| 20:57.07 | jordanm | bael: ls /export/lstorage on the NFS server shows files? |
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| 20:57.24 | jordanm | bael: does the mount show up in /etc/mtab on the client? |
| 20:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | bael: I mean in the mount command, specify the filesystem type. |
| 20:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | bael: There is a command to update the nfs exports, you need to do more than just update the files. |
| 20:58.01 | bael | jordanm: yes. bael: ls /export/lstorage on the NFS server shows files? |
| 20:58.04 | zenlunatic | does apt-src get code from repository or upstream? |
| 20:58.06 | serverhorror | zenlunatic: repo |
| 20:58.15 | zenlunatic | serverhorror: thank |
| 20:58.21 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: parallelising my server |
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| 20:58.27 | jordanm | bael: and the later question? |
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| 20:59.12 | jordanm | bael: also, did you run exportfs -a after changing /etc/exports on the server? |
| 20:59.37 | bael | jordanm: 192.168.1.4:/export/lstorage /nfs2 nfs rw,soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,vers=4,addr=192.168.1.4,clientaddr=192.168.1.11 0 0 |
| 20:59.37 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:00.00 | bael | jordanm: I restarted the daemon? |
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| 21:00.27 | jordanm | bael: which daemon? |
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| 21:00.44 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: So I see. For those not using that technology you might specify that you're using the GPU for whatever calculations you're doing. |
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| 21:01.02 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: I would expect cuda not to work at all if the driers weren't right. |
| 21:01.11 | bael | jordanm: sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 21:01.18 | CaptainKnots | derp the ban is because my username was chroot and they have a ban on *!*root@* |
| 21:01.19 | CaptainKnots | lol |
| 21:02.02 | jordanm | bael: I don't know if that rereads /etc/exports or not |
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| 21:02.29 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: The technology used doesn't affect my original question |
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| 21:03.28 | bael | jordanm: how can I remove all mounted nfs things? So I can try to remount it. I tried mounting like 10 times :) |
| 21:03.46 | jhutchins_wk | bael: Did you run exportfs? |
| 21:03.47 | jordanm | bael: umount |
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| 21:04.59 | bael | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/X2HNJ5rV |
| 21:05.03 | bael | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/X2HNJ5rV |
| 21:05.10 | jordanm | bael: in your case maybe: while read -r remote local _; do [[ $remote == 192* ]] && umount "$local"; done # untested and not guarenteed to not crash your server |
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| 21:06.16 | jordanm | bael: paste the output of: ls -l /export/lstorage; cat /etc/exports # on the server |
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| 21:08.02 | bael | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/ZMiyceRW |
| 21:08.07 | tremon | bael: the output of exportfs -v would be useful as well, while you're at it |
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| 21:09.42 | bael | http://pastebin.com/DRShaeyF |
| 21:09.51 | jordanm | bael: what version of debian is this? |
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| 21:10.53 | bael | No LSB modules are available. |
| 21:10.53 | bael | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 21:10.53 | bael | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.2 (wheezy) |
| 21:10.53 | bael | Release:7.2 |
| 21:10.53 | bael | Codename:wheezy |
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| 21:11.09 | bael | sry |
| 21:11.10 | bael | :) |
| 21:11.18 | tremon | bael: remove the space between the ip netmask and the options |
| 21:11.39 | tremon | you still should be able to see things on the client, though |
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| 21:11.48 | jhutchins_wk | CTCP VERSION reply from bael: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu |
| 21:12.22 | cafuego | well that's an unimaginative spoof |
| 21:12.25 | bael | tremon: where? /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:13.13 | tremon | bael: in the /etc/exports file you just pasted |
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| 21:15.03 | ijr39 | Test |
| 21:15.39 | jhutchins_wk | bael: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ |
| 21:15.49 | bael | no warnings no. But same thing.. :( |
| 21:16.17 | jumperswitch | dpkg: tell me about apt |
| 21:16.23 | ijr39 | Nice, can speak. I recently switched to Debian, but kept my .kde for ease of migrating everything over.. now konsole has a few issues: It's using the default font, but the character cursor moves further and further from the head of the actual text as I type. |
| 21:16.36 | ijr39 | Furthermore, there are only 5 or 6 fonts listed on the Konsole profile manager |
| 21:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | bael: I'm not sure they explain it there, but if there's a space it begins a new host definition. What you have specifies that the address has default options, and all other addresses have the options you specified. |
| 21:16.53 | ijr39 | I tried deleting anything that looked like it might be related, in .kde4, but no luck |
| 21:17.00 | tremon | bael: /export/users and /export/lstorage are separate mounts, no? then read man exports, option crossmnt |
| 21:17.06 | ijr39 | Should I ask #kde, or might it have something to do with font configuration? |
| 21:17.10 | tremon | separate mount points on the server, I mean |
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| 21:18.13 | jhutchins_wk | ijr39: Try a clean user without a pre-existing .kde. |
| 21:18.37 | tremon | and .config/kde, for most of kde4 |
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| 21:19.04 | ijr39 | D: |
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| 21:19.52 | bael | tremon: But I have only theese two: /export 192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 21:19.52 | bael | --export/lstorage 192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
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| 21:20.09 | bael | but I have a folder there aswell "users" |
| 21:20.21 | tremon | bael: and what are you mounting on the client? /export or /export/lstorage? |
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| 21:20.29 | bael | tried to mount it sudo mount -o soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.1.4:/export/users /nfs5 |
| 21:20.29 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.35 | DeviantPeer | hi all. Got a bit of an issue here with a "debian based" linux (for a olimex board). The root can access the network but other users get a socket: permission denied. |
| 21:21.06 | DeviantPeer | iptables shows a totaly clean chains... |
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| 21:21.17 | jhutchins_wk | DeviantPeer: We don't know what they change. |
| 21:21.21 | DeviantPeer | and I really have never seen such behaviour before. |
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| 21:21.35 | jhutchins_wk | DeviantPeer: That sounds like exactly the kind of thing that might be different on an embedded OS. |
| 21:21.38 | DeviantPeer | jhutchins_wk: yeah.... |
| 21:21.44 | DeviantPeer | damn.. |
| 21:21.50 | zinx | DeviantPeer: sounds like they're using an Android kernel w/ an android-specific option enabled |
| 21:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | DeviantPeer: Mailing lists. No instant gratification for you! |
| 21:22.17 | DeviantPeer | zinx: yeah.. that does ring a bell... |
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| 21:22.29 | DeviantPeer | zinx: good tip.. I'll go and have a look. |
| 21:22.45 | jhutchins_wk | DeviantPeer: There is @anderoid |
| 21:22.52 | jhutchins_wk | DeviantPeer: Er, #anderoid |
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| 21:23.05 | DeviantPeer | jhutchins_wk: thx :) |
| 21:23.11 | tremon | wants some of thaet |
| 21:23.13 | bael | tremon: I mounted only "/export/ and now I can see the folders from the server "lstorage" and "users" when I enter "lstorage" its empty but users is not? :) sudo mount -o soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.1.4:/export/ /nfs7 |
| 21:23.14 | jhutchins_wk | DeviantPeer: Possibly even #android |
| 21:23.28 | DeviantPeer | :) lol |
| 21:23.44 | DeviantPeer | you also have #android-dev ;) |
| 21:23.46 | tremon | bael: have you read man exports yet? |
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| 21:28.42 | bael | tremon: yes but still I dont understand why I cannot see data in lstorage folder :) |
| 21:28.51 | reavengrey | man manliness |
| 21:29.06 | jhutchins_wk | bael: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ |
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| 21:29.30 | tremon | bael: because it is hidden by your explicit export, and the fact that it's a new mountpoint on the server |
| 21:31.01 | bael | tremon: How can I solve it? :/ |
| 21:31.29 | tremon | bael: have you read man exports yet? |
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| 21:33.11 | jhutchins_wk | We export our /home/* and automount it across all servers. |
| 21:33.40 | jhutchins_wk | ... so it's not like this stuff doesn't just work. |
| 21:33.54 | jhutchins_wk | Problem is, it does what you tell it to, not what you want it to. |
| 21:34.37 | g105b | when I have "unmet dependencies" how do I automatically correct them? |
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| 21:40.15 | frikinz | that shouldn't happen. the answer could be "install them" ? |
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| 21:42.30 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: Are you mixing different releases of Debian or installing packages from a different distribution? |
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| 21:43.46 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: I'm trying to install an experimental package, but the version number installed is too low, don't know how to upgrade an already-installed package to experimental |
| 21:44.06 | schultza | jhutchins_wk: I'd like to. Mostly Unity on debian. :) |
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| 21:44.38 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: In that case it's best you don't. |
| 21:44.55 | g105b | hmm, ok |
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| 21:44.58 | jhutchins_wk | !tell g105b about ssb |
| 21:45.03 | phox | hey, where would be the debian place to put system (not user) scripts (not as part of a package) local to a given system? /usr/local/sbin/ or something? |
| 21:45.05 | jhutchins_wk | !experimental |
| 21:45.06 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 21:45.31 | frikinz | g105b: which package? |
| 21:45.40 | jhutchins_wk | phox: /usr/local/bin for all-users, sbin for root-only. |
| 21:45.57 | phox | root-only, so yeah, ok, cool, thanks |
| 21:46.24 | g105b | frikinz: a few, mainly gfx related |
| 21:46.32 | schultza | . /usr/local or /opt... sbin for privileged tasks and bin for non-privy tasks |
| 21:46.41 | schultza | whats the rule for /opt though |
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| 21:47.03 | frikinz | vague.. |
| 21:47.42 | schultza | ah |
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| 21:48.03 | jhutchins_wk | schultza: Generally local is for stuff that's specific to one machine, while opt is more like a general purpose but out-of-tree package. |
| 21:48.18 | jhutchins_wk | schultza: Things like vmware tools might install in opt. |
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| 21:48.21 | Axlin | g105b: It would help if you were to pastebin the apt-get output of what you're trying to get installed. |
| 21:48.55 | jhutchins_wk | Axlin: If he doesn't know why he's getting that response he REALLY shouldn't be installing experimental packages. |
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| 21:49.14 | schultza | . /opt/ - add-on application software packages that are pre-compiled, non .deb binary distribution (tar'ed) goes here. same sub layouts. /opt/bin /opt/include /opt/lib /opt/sbin /opt/share |
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| 21:58.41 | bael | jhutchins_wk: I have fixed it now. Thanks!! |
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| 22:00.43 | bael | jhutchins_wk: Reason why I installed nfs was beacuse I had very poor speed with samba. 2-3mb/s when transfering files. So I tought it is samba. But it is same with NFS :/ .. I have a local gbit lan. I dont understand the problem |
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| 22:01.35 | jhutchins_wk | bael: Good! You might want to consider automount - having shares not mounted when not in use makes it less likely they'll hang if there's a network error. |
| 22:02.06 | jhutchins_wk | bael: My RTL 8111 cards only get about half the speed of the Intel NICS when downloading. Uploads are just as fast. |
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| 22:07.07 | bael | jhutchins_wk: do you have more examples of automount? |
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| 22:13.44 | qbert_8 | It seems that there is no ffmpeg package for Jessie or Sid? Any suggestions? |
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| 22:14.22 | qbert_8 | I guess I can get it from deb-mutlimedia, but curious why there is a package for wheezy but not for testing / sid? |
| 22:15.00 | somiaj | qbert_8: no |
| 22:15.22 | somiaj | qbert_8: it really isn't in wheezy either, at least by that name, if you look at the wheezy package it is just a transitional package (means it is a meta package that points at the real package) |
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| 22:16.05 | somiaj | there is really nothing inside the wheezy ffmpeg package. |
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| 22:16.48 | somiaj | qbert_8: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html |
| 22:16.50 | somiaj | libav is the source package name for what use to be ffmpeg |
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| 22:17.24 | qbert_8 | somiaj? should I not be installing the ffmpeg package form multimedia repo? Is there an official package by a different name? |
| 22:18.26 | qbert_8 | I guess what I'm saying is I'd rather not use the mutlimedia repo - but need ffmpeg as a dependancy for some things. Is there an offical package that will get me there? libav says it just installs the symbolic links to ffmpeg? |
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| 22:18.32 | somiaj | qbert_8: ffmpeg has been (Even in wheezy) split up into a bunch of supporting libaries of the format libavfoo it seems |
| 22:18.59 | somiaj | that is all wheezy's package does too, do you have some unoffical packages that depending on a debian pacakge by the name of ffmpeg? |
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| 22:19.09 | qbert_8 | I see what your saying. |
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| 22:19.25 | somiaj | if you have to have ffmpeg of a paticular version installed for dependency of thrid party package, use equivs |
| 22:19.37 | somiaj | (you may even be able to get away with installing the transational package from wheezy) |
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| 22:20.04 | qbert_8 | somiaj - I have previously installed the transitional package from wheezy. and it did work |
| 22:20.26 | somiaj | you can still install that package if you want, but things from debian shouldn't depend on that package anymore, if they do it is a bug |
| 22:20.27 | qbert_8 | just wanted to keep everything "Jessie" if possible. |
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| 22:20.53 | somiaj | if you are trying to please some thirdparty package's dependencies then use the wheezy transational package or equivs |
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| 22:21.26 | qbert_8 | somiaj - it's a frontent program to xwinwrap called anibg I wanted to test out. |
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| 22:21.38 | somiaj | since the package is nothing more than a script/link /usr/bin/ffmpeg and some various /usr/share/doc files it really wouldn't be major enough to not being jessie with it installed |
| 22:21.39 | qbert_8 | However, I know my drupal server also likes to have ffmpeg installed |
| 22:22.07 | somiaj | but really this is due to what every .deb's you are using not being made for the debian depends. |
| 22:22.25 | qbert_8 | somiaj - true that |
| 22:22.28 | somiaj | I'm sure the drupal debs from debian will have debs for the actual libav libaries they need. |
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| 22:22.57 | somiaj | but look at equivs, it allows you to put a equivs package inplace for dependency issues |
| 22:23.18 | qbert_8 | somiaj - probably. Drupal is just the one thing that I don't install from debs, as it makes more sense to me to have it in it's own folder and easily updateable / archivable |
| 22:23.20 | somiaj | I don't know enough about ffmepg's details as to why or how it was split up, this is just what I see when looking at it |
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| 22:23.45 | somiaj | well most here would say, do you run a drupal server on jessie? Hope you like security holes. (: |
| 22:24.12 | somiaj | testing really isn't good as a production server. |
| 22:25.07 | qbert_8 | somiaj - I do run it from Jessie, but it is really just a family website. Do I really need to be worried about security holes in Jessie if that and ssh are the only open ports I've got and I use fail2ban? |
| 22:26.05 | qbert_8 | I'd like to use stable but I run a mutliseat setup of a kind and only XFCE 4.10 works properly. 4.8 had some bugs with mutli monitor for my setup |
| 22:26.32 | somiaj | qbert_8: you can run what ever it is you want, but if some remote exploit is found that allows someone to completely take over your machine, it may take jessie weeks to get the fix. |
| 22:27.34 | somiaj | personally I wouldn't run my family webserver on my desktop. Have your desktop be jessie (i run sid as my desktp) and then make a headless wheezy box be the server. |
| 22:28.18 | somiaj | but if it works, I'm just giving you general advise. Problem with jessie is it works fine until the day it doesn't. And that day can have heaps of problems. |
| 22:28.30 | qbert_8 | somiaj - because I run a webserver or just in general. I mean I realize that testing does not get bug fixes as quickly, but does it being a server really make it that more vunerable? |
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| 22:30.20 | qbert_8 | meaning that if you run sid on your desktop isn't that just as likely to have someone exploit it and take over your machine? |
| 22:30.38 | qbert_8 | I'd like to run a seperate old computer for the website but currently only got my main machine. |
| 22:32.22 | digdilem | most desktops sit behind a firewall. most servers don't, or if they do, have some ports forwarded |
| 22:32.43 | qbert_8 | ok, that's what I figured somiaj was saying. |
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| 22:33.49 | qbert_8 | I"d rather run stable but in my case I have a rather unique setup (4 monitors 4 keyboards 4 mice in 4 rooms) and only xfce 4.10 seems to handle it. |
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| 22:34.30 | qbert_8 | One of these days I'll get an old POS to run my server stuff on. Although I do at least like to be able to ssh to my desktop |
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| 22:37.38 | FaTony | is it possible to create an UEFI bootable LiveCD or USB of Debian? |
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| 22:54.27 | qbert_8 | is there really any reason not to install the deb-mutlimedia repo other than potentially questionable licensing issues on some of the codecs? |
| 22:55.24 | themill | qbert_8: it's unneeded and full of poor quality and incompatible packages |
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| 22:58.32 | qbert_8 | themill - ok, was just curious the thoughts here. The main thing that I get from there is avidemux for encoding video in different formats. Is there an alternative I'm missing? |
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| 23:02.03 | gnarface | qbert_8: there are several programs for encoding video in different formats that don't require dmm |
| 23:02.46 | gnarface | qbert_8: but it depends on the codecs you're using whether they might need to be recompiled or not; obviously some non-free stuff does have licensing issues |
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| 23:03.25 | gnarface | qbert_8: the licensing issues are not the primary reason to avoid dmm. its not hard to build better packages by following the rules and keeping up-to-date yourself. |
| 23:04.07 | zerick | Does anybody kwows which package contain base64_encode ? |
| 23:04.17 | Nik05 | dpkg -S |
| 23:04.18 | dpkg | Nik05: are you using Windows? |
| 23:04.29 | zerick | ghahahah |
| 23:04.30 | zerick | ok |
| 23:04.32 | zerick | sorry |
| 23:04.42 | Nik05 | apt-file search |
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| 23:08.13 | themill | qbert_8: I normally use avconv from libav-tools for that. There are plenty of other ways of varying complexity. |
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| 23:31.14 | olf-folks | he failed to mention that his Internet is thro a 3g/4g modem (usb551l) |
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| 23:33.22 | darsie | recommendations for an IRC bot who tells everyone who joins #ecology that we are in ##ecology? eggdrop? |
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| 23:33.44 | olf-folks | am i devoiced? |
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| 23:34.03 | darsie | noone is voiced, here. |
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| 23:34.31 | olf-folks | cool, so customer had an old winxp pc and he got a (barely) newer computer, but it has a amd64 but about the same amount of ram |
| 23:34.42 | olf-folks | so decided if he wants to take advantage of the 64bit processor lets install debian! :D |
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| 23:35.44 | olf-folks | he failed to mention that his Internet is thro a 3g/4g modem (usb551l) |
| 23:36.13 | olf-folks | which is somewhat supported in debian |
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| 23:37.08 | olf-folks | its almost like its not getting any signal for CDMA |
| 23:37.30 | olf-folks | but if i plug it back into the other winxp computer it works |
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| 23:48.08 | olf-folks | no one is talking here but ill paste this here just in case anyone has any ideas |
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| 23:48.27 | olf-folks | http://pastebin.com/KAxbUkWR |
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| 23:49.27 | Mattx | Hi |
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| 23:49.49 | olf-folks | hello |
| 23:49.59 | Mattx | this is what top shows me: http://www.apaste.info/lFqe |
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| 23:50.10 | Mattx | what is consuming so much memory? |
| 23:50.31 | Mattx | I only have a chrome window with 4 tabs and hexchat opened!! |
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| 23:51.00 | Mattx | does it really need 3GB to run that!? |
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| 23:51.04 | ectospasm | Chrome/chromium will consume a LOT of memory over time. |
| 23:51.18 | ectospasm | Try closing Chromium altogether. |
| 23:51.42 | Mattx | ok, now I have 1.5GB free |
| 23:51.42 | peterS | and yet as he points out, chrome is not actually consuming that much RAM, according to top |
| 23:51.59 | Mattx | wtf? linux needs 2.2GB to be idle? lol |
| 23:52.32 | peterS | Mattx: run 'free' to see what it says. particularly the second row of numbers. |
| 23:52.34 | olf-folks | mattx google disk cacheing |
| 23:52.45 | cvillelk | Mattx, Linux does not use memory the same way windows did long ago |
| 23:52.57 | Mattx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.58 | Mattx | Mem: 3766 2236 1530 0 53 1746 |
| 23:53.04 | peterS | I said the second row of numbers |
| 23:53.09 | peterS | that's the first row |
| 23:53.22 | Mattx | err, sorry |
| 23:53.24 | Mattx | -/+ buffers/cache: 435 3330 |
| 23:53.27 | peterS | there you go |
| 23:53.32 | peterS | you're actually using 435 MB |
| 23:53.37 | olf-folks | lol |
| 23:53.55 | Mattx | what does that line mean? |
| 23:54.15 | peterS | as for the rest: you have all that extra RAM just sitting there going to waste. Why not use it to make your system faster? That's what is happening here. 435 MB is what your software is _actively_ using. The rest is, basically, disk cache. |
| 23:54.25 | Mattx | seriously, I'm having problems in gnome, I run out of memory every hour or so :| |
| 23:54.55 | olf-folks | mattx http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9551838/how-to-purge-disk-i-o-caches-on-linux |
| 23:56.24 | cvillelk | What symptoms are you seeing when you run out of memory |
| 23:56.48 | Mattx | olf-folks, the accepted answer (echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches) doesn't change anything |
| 23:56.56 | cvillelk | As peterS mentioned, linux is designed to 'use' all of your RAM, it's efficient use of resources |
| 23:56.56 | Mattx | same amount of buffers/cache |
| 23:57.03 | patterson | the bibliography |
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| 23:57.31 | Mattx | cvillelk, symptoms? everything slows down or even freeze for a moment, even the mouse |
| 23:58.34 | peterS | I make no apologies for either gnome or chrome (nice rhyme there), they can both be pigs |
| 23:58.44 | crOckpOt | Hello Wednesday Night Unixers! |
| 23:58.44 | peterS | but it does seem odd that they would chew up all of a 4 GB system just opening a few tabs |
| 23:58.45 | cvillelk | 3GB should be plenty of RAM, possibly a video driver or card issue? |
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| 23:59.17 | Mattx | I don't know but I didn't get why it says 2.3GB used in top |
| 23:59.36 | Mattx | oh, wait |
| 23:59.41 | Mattx | now it says 3GB free |
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| 23:59.56 | Mattx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.56 | Mattx | Mem: 3766 807 2959 0 1 198 |