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| 00:02.17 | syeekick | sudo apt-get --install-recommends install virtualbox-4.0 would that do it |
| 00:02.48 | themill | there's no such package in Debian -- perhaps you can explain what it is you're trying to do? |
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| 00:03.33 | syeekick | trying to install virtual box... i need this infomation for other installs too though |
| 00:04.44 | themill | in which release of debian? |
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| 00:06.28 | syeekick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.59 | themill | syeekick: so you probably want to get virtualbox from backports (it's in contrib). Once you have enabled wheezy-backports, it's just a matter of "aptitude install virtualbox". |
| 00:08.05 | themill | dpkg: tell syeekick about wheezy-backports |
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| 00:08.25 | themill | (you may need to make sure you've got the linux-headers-* package for your kernel installed too) |
| 00:08.35 | syeekick | i use apt-get alot... does aptitude do everything plus more? |
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| 00:09.22 | syeekick | themill, thanks for your patience with a new comer. it's people like you that make linux great. |
| 00:09.51 | themill | either apt-get or aptitude will do the right thing here |
| 00:11.33 | syeekick | ok themill |
| 00:11.47 | syeekick | ill update the headers |
| 00:12.06 | deadlyninja | im trying to rebuild a debian source package, but i want to give it a tag so that i can identify it from the standard package, how can i do this? |
| 00:12.27 | syeekick | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 00:12.47 | syeekick | sorry didn't realise that would flood |
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| 00:13.33 | syeekick | right got the new headers in sources.list |
| 00:13.51 | themill | syeekick: can you pastebin your sources.list for us? |
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| 00:13.55 | syeekick | i could do it the .deb way caues im sur ethat would hold the depencidces in there |
| 00:13.56 | themill | dpkg: tell syeekick about paste |
| 00:15.54 | syeekick | http://pastebin.com/rXDRZtZT |
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| 00:17.13 | syeekick | trying to use dpkg -L and the .deb file to show me what depenedces are required for said pacakge but it doesnt work |
| 00:18.25 | dondelelcaro | syeekick: you want dpkg-deb -I foo.deb; |
| 00:18.53 | deadlyninja | i want to change a few lines of debian/rules in a source package and rebuild it so that it has a different name. how can i do this? |
| 00:19.12 | deadlyninja | i cant find how to change the name of the package |
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| 00:19.40 | themill | syeekick: is this really a wheezy machine? why is "kali" in the sources.list? |
| 00:19.48 | syeekick | dondelelcaro, thanks ever so much |
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| 00:20.01 | syeekick | yeah not too sure themill |
| 00:20.11 | themill | syeekick: also, why do you have both jessie and wheezy in there? |
| 00:20.12 | syeekick | want me to do a uname -a |
| 00:20.25 | syeekick | cause i get some testing packages I.E. steam |
| 00:20.35 | syeekick | steamworks valve |
| 00:20.45 | syeekick | is that a valid answer? |
| 00:21.15 | themill | ick? |
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| 00:23.05 | syeekick | now i can see all the dependices listed dondelelcaro how can i install them all at once? |
| 00:23.43 | themill | You should be using apt to handle these dependencies. I'm not surprised that it can't work out what to do with the mess you have there. |
| 00:24.06 | dondelelcaro | syeekick: that's what apt is for. |
| 00:24.48 | themill | syeekick: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl virtualbox virtualbox-dkms; apt-cache policy" for us? |
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| 00:25.20 | syeekick | id love too but how :) |
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| 00:25.51 | syeekick | sometimes apt doesnt find the dependices when it searches online it says its all out date and shit. and its been mostly replaced. |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | "its" ? |
| 00:26.04 | syeekick | sorry for taking up so many peoples time on simple things. |
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| 00:27.04 | themill | syeekick: you run the command and copy it to a pastebin |
| 00:28.22 | syeekick | :0 |
| 00:28.46 | themill | syeekick: you're not running unstable here -- you should never see dependencies fail. If you do, then you should find out how and why as it's likely to be a problem at your end. |
| 00:28.50 | syeekick | <themill> syeekick: you're not running unstable here -- you should never see |
| 00:29.12 | syeekick | ok themill it takes ages sourcing all the dependices myeslf lol |
| 00:29.35 | syeekick | i dont like getting .deb packages all the while as that is the easy way out, and no good for learning |
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| 00:30.39 | syeekick | http://pastebin.com/HtjMkhJg |
| 00:30.46 | syeekick | sorry i thought i sent that already |
| 00:31.12 | themill | what a mess |
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| 00:32.58 | abrotman | reads again |
| 00:33.08 | jordilopezamat | hey guys ... i'm a little bit puzzling. ¿ Is (Damned) "Flash Player 11 for Linux |
| 00:33.09 | jordilopezamat | Version 11.2.202.310" the latest one ? ... please, correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks! |
| 00:33.34 | grimeton | jordilopezamat: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html |
| 00:33.43 | syeekick | coudl you guys paste bin your sources list and ill sudo gedit my sources list and paste it over it all |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: check the adobe website |
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| 00:34.42 | themill | syeekick: at this stage, you need to either upgrade to jessie or reinstall wheezy and refrain from mixing releases in the future. |
| 00:35.20 | syeekick | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ will this site help me? |
| 00:35.26 | themill | no |
| 00:35.31 | jordilopezamat | thanks grimeton ... I'm afraid an older version is the cause of Iceweasel crashes... Even my user X session is being reseted sometime... (and i'm suspicious about flash... ) Welcome WebM - HTML5 ! |
| 00:35.37 | syeekick | i got someone to tunnel in to set my computer up |
| 00:35.54 | themill | syeekick: yeah, well they didn't do you any favours here. |
| 00:35.58 | syeekick | took him 10+ hours bless him. he was so helpful and i learnt so much |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 00:36.28 | syeekick | i've added alot of stuff to that sources list. cause install tutorials ometimes ask me to add them |
| 00:37.03 | themill | syeekick: tutorials aren't necessarily written by people who know what they're talking about or who think through the consequences of what they're suggesting. |
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| 00:37.10 | jordilopezamat | thanks abrotman, starting from sacracth... 'apt-get install flashplguin-nonfree should do the job? |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | try it and see ? |
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| 00:37.47 | berarma | jordilopezamat: "update-flashplugin-nonfree --status" shows your installed version and the latest one |
| 00:37.47 | jordilopezamat | ok, i'll try update- ... first ... |
| 00:38.01 | jordilopezamat | thanks berarma ... |
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| 00:39.45 | daedhel | will Debian adopt systemd or not? I hope not! |
| 00:39.47 | jordilopezamat | sorry guys ... 'sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' shows me 'command not found' , what am i missing ? |
| 00:39.50 | jordilopezamat | thanks again |
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| 00:40.44 | berarma | jordilopezamat: you're missing the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 00:41.07 | jordilopezamat | :-D indeed ! |
| 00:41.13 | jordilopezamat | got it... |
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| 00:41.32 | berarma | the obvious helps too :-) |
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| 00:42.18 | jordilopezamat | ...mmhh |
| 00:42.38 | berarma | jordilopezamat: the question now is where was your flash plugin coming from? |
| 00:42.45 | jordilopezamat | ' apt-get install update-flashplugin-nonfree ' gives me 'E: Unable to locate package update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:42.45 | jordilopezamat | ' :-/ |
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| 00:42.49 | daedhel | will Debian adopt systemd or not? |
| 00:43.04 | berarma | jordilopezamat: you need non-free in your repositories |
| 00:43.25 | berarma | daedhel: I guess so |
| 00:43.27 | jordilopezamat | sure ... thanks, let's add them to sources... |
| 00:43.39 | daedhel | berarma: ain't that a shame? |
| 00:43.54 | berarma | daedhel: that's all your problems? |
| 00:44.03 | daedhel | ? |
| 00:45.27 | syeekick | so when i search with something through aptitude and/or apt-get and dont find it is that a normal thing? |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | syeekick: such as? |
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| 00:47.53 | abrotman | daedhel: it's not known yet, and this isn't the right place to ask |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | guess berarma should be told also |
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| 01:01.57 | berarma | abrotman: what does adopt mean there? |
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| 01:02.18 | abrotman | berarma: it's already packaged .. the asker meant as the default, as current discussions have been arguing over |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | judd: versions systemd |
| 01:02.24 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- wheezy: 44-11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; jessie: 204-5; sid: 204-5 |
| 01:02.47 | berarma | abrotman: ok, I didn't get thge meaning as default |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | anyway, not really a topic for this channel, read the long thread on the debian-devel mailing list |
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| 01:12.30 | Matip | abrotman, you were here yesterday when I asked about my computer freezing from time to time, right? |
| 01:12.44 | Matip | it just happened again, and I checked free and the disk usage |
| 01:12.58 | Matip | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.58 | Matip | Mem: 3766 3665 101 0 3 533 |
| 01:12.58 | Matip | -/+ buffers/cache: 3127 639 |
| 01:13.00 | zax0 | i was trying to setup a irc server using ircd-hybrid. And while ive portforwarded 6667 i still get "connection refused" messages when connecting from an outside pc. could my router just be bullshitting me about the ports or maybe my conf is skewed? |
| 01:13.08 | Matip | that means I have plenty of ""free"" memory |
| 01:13.12 | Matip | so why does it happen? |
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| 01:13.30 | Matip | during that time it uses the disk heavily, doing I don't know what |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | Matip: it has nothing to do with how much/little free RAM you have .. didn't we say that ? |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | Matip: does it come back after freezing ? |
| 01:13.50 | Matip | yes, after a few seconds |
| 01:13.59 | Matip | few seconds -> 10 or so, it depends |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | Matip: okay, so find out what's using your CPU/Disk .. start with top |
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| 01:15.44 | Matip | ok, next time it happens I'll check top and iotop |
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| 01:16.56 | bernat_ | Matip: check your syslog too, it might some cron task |
| 01:18.19 | bernat_ | Matip: have an eye on tracker in case it's running |
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| 01:18.38 | Matip | what tracker? |
| 01:18.38 | bernat_ | zax0: can you connect locally? |
| 01:18.56 | bernat_ | from the tracker package |
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| 01:35.24 | mo1991 | is x11vnc an insecure methode of using VNC? Or is it ok now. My understanding is that earlier version were basically plain text and need to be run through an ssh tunnel? Is this still the case with Wheezy? |
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| 01:35.52 | abrotman | VNC has no encryption for the protocol IIRC |
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| 01:37.01 | mo1991 | so basically, like ftp, passwords are in plain text unless it's run through an ssh tunnel, correct? |
| 01:37.10 | beardy | Correct. |
| 01:37.18 | abrotman | not plain text passwords, but it's really not secure |
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| 01:38.06 | mo1991 | ok. I'm trying to make my wheezy box as air tight as possible. Only keeping open ssh and apache. My understanding is ssh I'm ok as long as I've got fail2ban. What about apache (drupal). Anything I need to do to harden that other than fail2ban? |
| 01:38.28 | abrotman | isn't sure how fail2ban makes ssh secure |
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| 01:38.45 | mo1991 | is ssh not secure? |
| 01:39.00 | beardy | Probably hashes are sent, but those are in text, and the traffic after that is unencrypted so yes.. use a ssh tunnel or openvpn or simillar. |
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| 01:39.15 | abrotman | mo1991: only as secure as your password |
| 01:39.51 | beardy | mo1991: It is. fail2ban doesn't make it more or less secure, it just blocks bruteforcers, after they have run through their list. |
| 01:39.52 | c0ded | Improper Syntax. (ex: !nfo <search>) |
| 01:39.55 | mo1991 | abrotman - my password is secure. I just figured fail2ban makes it more secure as nobody can run a password "list" / bot to keep trying to login |
| 01:39.55 | c0ded | Improper Syntax. (ex: !nfo <search>) |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:40.09 | c0ded | Improper Syntax. (ex: !nfo <search>) |
| 01:40.15 | mo1991 | beardy - cool that' was my understanding |
| 01:40.16 | c0ded | Improper Syntax. (ex: !nfo <search>) |
| 01:40.19 | beardy | Hammertime. |
| 01:40.19 | c0ded | Improper Syntax. (ex: !nfo <search>) |
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| 01:40.32 | abrotman | c0ded: No fucking idea what that is, turn it off |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | mo1991: so why not have it listen on a different port also? |
| 01:41.11 | mo1991 | how about apache security? Anything I need to know there? Running a lamp server. Will just keep open the http port. |
| 01:41.25 | mo1991 | abrotman - I suppose I could, but is this really needed? |
| 01:41.36 | mo1991 | and obviously I want apache running on standard port |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | you're hte one using fail2ban |
| 01:42.52 | mo1991 | abrotman - true :) I just figured why not - as I occasionally give other users logins as well and have no way of making sure they keep good passwords. One of my buddies uses a 2 digit password on his debian box :) |
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| 01:43.25 | abrotman | mo1991: actually you do .. /etc/login.defs |
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| 01:43.56 | mo1991 | abrotman - wouldn't a simple port scan show the changed port anyway? I think what you're saying is it would stop the bots that are looking strictly for 22. |
| 01:44.04 | mo1991 | I'll check out login.defs |
| 01:44.09 | mo1991 | thx |
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| 01:44.14 | beardy | mo1991: Have a look at denyhosts instaed of fail2ban, I prefer denyhosts. |
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| 01:45.10 | abrotman | mo1991: changing the port won't keep out someone that actually wants in, but it does stop the bots |
| 01:45.20 | beardy | mo1991: Regarding apache, it depends on the things you serve. If Drupal has issues, there are issues. Why run on a different port if you want to serve http? |
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| 01:46.11 | beardy | mo1991: If you only want to permit certain things apache has access control in itself. You can use that and/or iptables. |
| 01:46.42 | mo1991 | beardy, I just took a look at that. Does pretty much the same thing though correct. As for apache, I try to keep drupal up to date as well as the plugins, not sure what else I can do security wise, other than run fail2ban on apache as well to prevent brute force. |
| 01:47.09 | mo1991 | And no I wouldn't change apache port. I do see abrotmans point on the bots though. It used to drive me crazy before I found fail2ban years ago |
| 01:47.12 | beardy | mo1991: Also, to stop most ssh bruteforcers, run on a different port than 22 (even if it's security by obscurity, it lessens the amount significantly) |
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| 01:49.03 | mo1991 | makes sense. The one other thing I'd like to have open is X11VNC (normally I ssh in to start it first so it's not always running) but I haven't researched how to run it though ssh tunnel yet. |
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| 01:49.41 | mo1991 | Anyway appreciate the advice. I will change ssh port. |
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| 01:59.36 | c0ded | ty |
| 01:59.39 | c0ded | sry again everyone |
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| 02:06.30 | mo1991 | OK changed my ssh port and firewall. Thanks gents. |
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| 02:19.30 | mo1991 | hmm running a portscan on my own system find open port 44632 tcp port. What is this? |
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| 02:36.15 | justinas | When the new kernel is going to be released in jessie? |
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| 02:41.41 | acu | I want to setup an openvpn between two remote sites - the smallest with 600 kb upload, is it possible ? |
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| 02:45.17 | justinas | acu: I don't see why not. 600 kb/s? |
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| 02:48.18 | abrotman | justinas: when it gets there .. likely 10 days after it's uplpoaded to unstable |
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| 02:59.08 | MandorA | Debian 7 system. apt-get -mu dist-upgrade wants to remove a certain package. I want to keep it. I know I can apt-mark hold $pkg, but that will prevent upgrades. I tried pinning, but can't seem to figure out the syntax. Can someone clue me in? Thanks! |
| 02:59.36 | abrotman | which package? |
| 02:59.40 | MandorA | upstart. |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | why does it want to remove it? |
| 03:00.02 | MandorA | It wants to replace it with sysvinit. |
| 03:00.14 | MandorA | But if I let it do so, the system becomes unbootable. |
| 03:00.25 | MandorA | So upstart it is. |
| 03:00.29 | abrotman | that's not why it wants to remove it |
| 03:00.42 | MandorA | OK. Why does it want to remove it? |
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| 03:00.47 | abrotman | i'm asking you ... |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | did you mix versions of Debian/. |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:01.20 | MandorA | The system install came from my VPS provider. |
| 03:01.34 | MandorA | I have no idea what they did before I got it. |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | MandorA: apt-cache policy upstart |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 03:03.14 | MandorA | http://paste.debian.net/63250/ |
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| 03:03.55 | abrotman | judd: versions upstart |
| 03:03.56 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.6.1-1+b1; sid: 1.6.1-1+b1 |
| 03:04.09 | abrotman | MandorA: try to use aptitude, go through the options for the upgrade |
| 03:04.55 | MandorA | OK, I'll give it a shot. |
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| 03:07.17 | MandorA | Done. Curiously, aptitude isn't trying to replace upstart with sysvinit. But apt-get still is. |
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| 03:07.51 | MandorA | So I still have my original question. |
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| 03:09.13 | MandorA | I really like apt-mark, but with it had more fine-grained controls. |
| 03:09.31 | MandorA | I want to allow upgrades, but not removal. Seems simple enough. . . |
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| 03:11.45 | themill | MandorA: packages are only removed if there is a conflict that would require that to happen. |
| 03:12.10 | MandorA | themill: yes. So, sysvinit apparently wants to replace upstart. I don't want that to happen. |
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| 03:12.33 | MandorA | So the question is, how do I prevent that while still allowing upstart to be upgraded? |
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| 03:12.44 | themill | MandorA: what are you upgrading upstart to? |
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| 03:13.35 | MandorA | themill: I'm not upgrading upstart right now. But I don't want to create a config that stops me from getting updates when I do apt-get -mu dist-upgrade in the future. |
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| 03:14.07 | themill | Why are you using -m? |
| 03:14.20 | MandorA | -m is a habit. Probably not necessary. |
| 03:14.41 | MandorA | Doesn't seem to hurt or be causing this behaviour. |
| 03:16.23 | themill | MandorA: also, why are you using dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:17.10 | MandorA | themill: because that's usually how one does patch upgrades in Debian, no? |
| 03:17.48 | themill | no. upgrade should be sufficient. And the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is a willingness (or otherwise) to remove packages as part of the process |
| 03:18.16 | MandorA | themill: I am willing to remove packages in general. Just not this one. |
| 03:18.29 | mo1991 | FYI to anyone who cares - XFCE 4.10 from siduction works fine on wheezy as long as you backport the xfce-session and xfce-settings packages. This way your system stays clean (meaning it doesn't upgrade libc6 or anything) and can easily be removed. For me this was a big plus as mutlimonitor / mutliseat was crashy in XFCE 4.8 |
| 03:18.44 | themill | MandorA: you should be using upgrade not dist-upgrade. |
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| 03:22.27 | MandorA | themill: that's not what it says here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 03:23.55 | themill | yeah, that's just another place where that document is wrong. |
| 03:24.08 | MandorA | <sigh>. |
| 03:24.35 | MandorA | Well, in the meantime, I figured out the pin syntax myself. |
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| 03:25.01 | themill | you shouldn't need pinning here. You just need to use the tools correctly. |
| 03:25.10 | MandorA | http://paste.debian.net/63254/ |
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| 03:26.11 | MandorA | How do I know you are more correct than official docs? :) |
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| 03:29.50 | MandorA | Well, thanks. |
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| 03:31.04 | mo1991 | I love the question "well how do I know you are more correct than offical docs" :) |
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| 03:51.03 | mo1991 | anyone know how to get x11vnc to start on a second or third display/ monitor? x11vnc -display :0 gets me to the first monitor, but x11vnc -display :1 can't find the display? |
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| 03:56.24 | tomatosalad | so, uh, anybody tried this https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro#For_MacBook_Pro_13_.288.2C1.29 |
| 03:56.40 | tomatosalad | I'm about to start downloading an iso (CD, don't have any DVDs...) |
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| 03:59.20 | tomatosalad | I only need CD1 to start an installation, right? I can grab the rest of the packages over the internet |
| 03:59.38 | tomatosalad | if I grab the xfce CD1 only, I'll be good? |
| 04:00.00 | emss | tomatosalad you can use the net installer |
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| 04:00.04 | emss | which is even smaller |
| 04:00.13 | tomatosalad | don't wanna |
| 04:00.22 | tomatosalad | I'd rather take full advantage of a CD >_> |
| 04:00.24 | tomatosalad | seems wasteful |
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| 04:00.43 | tomatosalad | I do have a netinst lying around but that's for my old tower I play around with |
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| 04:01.49 | Axlin | Yes, you only need the first CD. |
| 04:03.10 | tomatosalad | awesome. |
| 04:03.18 | tomatosalad | and, uh, anybody here have luck with macs, like on that thingy? |
| 04:03.22 | tomatosalad | article |
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| 04:04.44 | Axlin | Yeah, I just followed that wiki. |
| 04:05.03 | tomatosalad | neat. |
| 04:05.12 | tomatosalad | the whole drivers from USB thing went fine? |
| 04:06.00 | kardan | my lately created encrypted logical volume is not shown - also not after vgchange. this is on the same computer just after a restart. |
| 04:06.02 | Axlin | Well, my MacBook is the very first one, version 1,1. It's been out a while so drivers aren't an issue any more. YMMV. |
| 04:06.39 | tomatosalad | ah. |
| 04:06.42 | tomatosalad | gulps |
| 04:06.50 | tomatosalad | I really don't want to fsck this up |
| 04:07.03 | tomatosalad | and i hope the CD writes, I'm on my last one .-. |
| 04:07.41 | Axlin | You'll be fine. Just do your partitioning via Disk Utility as it recommends, and it's easier to do a dual boot configuration. |
| 04:07.55 | tomatosalad | mhm. |
| 04:08.04 | tomatosalad | shoot, gotta reinstall rEFIt |
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| 04:08.39 | tomatosalad | I guess it's been replaced, rEFIned |
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| 04:09.45 | kardan | an usual mount shows fs type „LVM2_member“ but only one of my VGs is shown - what is the trick? |
| 04:10.49 | Axlin | Oh, cool. I know rEFIt's development has more or less stagnated for a good while. |
| 04:11.06 | tomatosalad | Axlin: yeah, but the guy who picked it up is...really sloppy |
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| 04:11.10 | tomatosalad | just looking at the site |
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| 04:11.31 | Axlin | Yikes. >.< Hopefully it works well |
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| 04:14.18 | kardan | vgdisplay NAME - "not found" :/ |
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| 04:16.23 | tomatosalad | I need to set up mosh properly on my server |
| 04:16.31 | tomatosalad | I also need to get started on working on my BBS software... |
| 04:16.38 | tomatosalad | python BBS! |
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| 05:03.12 | tomatosalad | dd is so nervewracking |
| 05:04.54 | mumpitzel | how so? |
| 05:05.13 | mumpitzel | !ops fiestaaa is a spambot |
| 05:05.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: mumpitzel complains about: fiestaaa is a spambot |
| 05:05.27 | mumpitzel | "show gratis" advertised |
| 05:05.49 | mentor | On channel? |
| 05:05.56 | tomatosalad | PM |
| 05:06.00 | tomatosalad | mumpitzel: I'm just hoping the image writes to my flash drive and that it doesn't totally screw up |
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| 05:06.37 | mumpitzel | mentor: on being active. I didn't write anything for hours and seconds after I wrote the first thing above, I got messaged |
| 05:07.04 | mentor | tomatosalad: You see this also/. |
| 05:07.14 | tomatosalad | mentor: huh? |
| 05:07.24 | tomatosalad | I got it as well, if that's what you're asking |
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| 05:09.36 | mentor | Yeah, he's spammed me now |
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| 05:10.27 | mumpitzel | thx |
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| 05:25.25 | tomatosalad | right, gonna try installing debian on my macbook pr, wish me luck |
| 05:25.26 | tomatosalad | o |
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| 06:32.15 | syeekick | dd if=/dev/sda bs=4M | gzip > /media/USB/backup_2013-11-01.img.gz |
| 06:32.32 | syeekick | could i set the block size to higher or does that depend on the speed of the external drive? |
| 06:32.51 | syeekick | and is 4m a good block size or too big or too small? |
| 06:33.09 | syeekick | copying to a usb2.0 sata external 7200rpm |
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| 06:42.27 | canoon | syeekick, might as well up it its just going to use more memory, and might do better considering that the output of gzip is going to be variable |
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| 07:14.06 | mms_ | netstat -i shows RX-OK and TX-OK on interface like eth. can one tell me for what duration of time that number was accumulated. I mean does it mean its bytes received over last 1 hour, 1 day, since machine is up etc. |
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| 07:16.25 | Penix | urgh |
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| 07:18.45 | NotJimCarrey | Having kind of a problem here. Can't apt-get install, remove, etc, anything because of too many unmet dependencies |
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| 07:20.10 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: apt-get -f install? |
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| 07:20.34 | NotJimCarrey | Apt-get -f install gives "error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" |
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| 07:21.30 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: third-party repos? |
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| 07:22.08 | NotJimCarrey | Migrating from i386 to amd64 |
| 07:22.39 | NotJimCarrey | And just realized my ethernet was unplugged. Geez |
| 07:23.20 | NotJimCarrey | Configure wifi without iwconfig? |
| 07:23.31 | NotJimCarrey | Sorry, on my phone atm |
| 07:26.20 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: what sort of auth? probably gonna need wpa_supplicant |
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| 07:29.42 | Penix | ~croon sussudio |
| 07:29.42 | apt | ACTION croons Su..Su...Sussudio! |
| 07:29.57 | Penix | aahh... |
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| 07:39.20 | ryan42 | if I just say the worrrrrd! |
| 07:39.42 | NotJimCarrey | ok, got wireless working at least |
| 07:40.13 | Penix | ~win ryan42 |
| 07:40.13 | apt | Congratulations, ryan42! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
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| 07:41.30 | NotJimCarrey | but i'm going nuts with apt-get. can't install, remove, -f install, nothing |
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| 07:42.07 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: have you added any non-standard repos recently? installed something from experimental maybe? |
| 07:42.23 | NotJimCarrey | i run sid, everything's experimental |
| 07:42.25 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 07:42.36 | Penix | no, 'experimental' branch |
| 07:43.02 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: you've got a package installed with unsatisfied dependencies by the sounds of it |
| 07:43.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell NotJimCarrey -about bat |
| 07:43.52 | babilen | NotJimCarrey: Throw in your sources.list too |
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| 07:44.56 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: apt should be giving you some sort of output regarding the problem package |
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| 07:46.47 | NotJimCarrey | it does, it's REALLT long |
| 07:46.49 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 07:47.04 | NotJimCarrey | too out the experimental lines |
| 07:47.39 | NotJimCarrey | babilen: no X, can't pastebin |
| 07:47.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell NotJimCarrey -about nopaste |
| 07:48.28 | babilen | NotJimCarrey: What do you mean by "too out the experimental lines" -- What are you mixing experimental packages with? |
| 07:48.31 | babilen | dpkg: experimental |
| 07:48.32 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 07:49.10 | NotJimCarrey | babilen: i've been running experimental for over a year with no issues |
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| 07:49.20 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: that doesn't mean anything |
| 07:49.28 | babilen | You cannot "run experimental" |
| 07:49.31 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: something's broken now. doesn't matter if it wasn't broken in the past |
| 07:49.33 | NotJimCarrey | just started having problems because i decided to migrate from i386 to amd64 |
| 07:49.54 | babilen | hahaha |
| 07:49.59 | NotJimCarrey | yeah yeah |
| 07:50.00 | NotJimCarrey | i know |
| 07:50.18 | NotJimCarrey | about half way there, if i can get apt-get working again |
| 07:50.31 | NotJimCarrey | one sec, have to manually download the deb real quick |
| 07:51.18 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: what have you done to 'migrate'? apt amd64 sources and apt-get upgrade?... |
| 07:51.25 | Penix | s/apt/add/ |
| 07:51.46 | babilen | Okay, reinstall your system and don't do anything that, well, interesting again. We neither recommend nor support that procedure and you *still* haven't answered what other entries you have in your sources.list. But meh, I have better things to do and you could be done with a backup and a complete new (and definitely working!) installation in far less than the time it will take to resurrect your Frankendebian. |
| 07:53.28 | babilen | Either way, even if you find a poor soul interested in providing guidance there is little that person can do without seeing actual output and system configuration. |
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| 07:55.02 | NotJimCarrey | Penix: moved to amd64 kernel, swapped base systems, removed i386 packages |
| 07:55.45 | NotJimCarrey | babilen: i'm having to download the dependencies manually, it takes time, but trying to pastebin it |
| 07:55.50 | Penix | 'swapped base systems'?... |
| 07:56.15 | NotJimCarrey | Penix: base i386 packages to base amd64 packages |
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| 07:57.12 | NotJimCarrey | i've done it successfully before, but it's been a while, and this time i'm heavily medicated (legally) |
| 07:57.31 | Penix | what did that involve? simply replacing i386 repos with amd64? or dpkg --architecure voodoo? |
| 07:57.38 | Penix | did you follow any guides related to this? |
| 07:57.47 | NotJimCarrey | Penix: yeah, and yeah |
| 07:58.34 | NotJimCarrey | www.ewan.cc/?q=node/90 |
| 07:59.24 | Penix | so, which part did you get up to before things turned to crap? |
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| 07:59.46 | NotJimCarrey | step 9: reinstall packages |
| 07:59.47 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 08:00.19 | NotJimCarrey | Linux bastian 3.11-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.11.6-1 (2013-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:00.36 | Penix | kernel really shouldn't be a problem |
| 08:00.43 | Penix | it's everything else |
| 08:00.46 | NotJimCarrey | nah, that was the easiest part |
| 08:00.53 | coobra | who helped me with sparc-debian thanks :D |
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| 08:01.44 | Penix | !hug sparc |
| 08:01.45 | dpkg | gives sparc a hug |
| 08:01.54 | coobra | :D |
| 08:02.10 | Penix | sparc32? |
| 08:02.20 | coobra | Host 'thekick', running Linux 3.2.0-4-sparc64-smp -; Up: 3d+16:46; Users: 3; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 5735/6076 Mio] [Swap: 3012/3012 Mio] [/: 61726/65846 Mio] [/boot: 70/89 Mio]; Vpenis: 236.2 cm; |
| 08:02.24 | coobra | :D |
| 08:02.28 | Penix | aww. sparc64 hipster |
| 08:02.31 | Penix | still cool |
| 08:02.40 | coobra | i like it :D |
| 08:02.46 | Penix | I'm just jealous |
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| 08:02.53 | coobra | got the server for free :p |
| 08:02.54 | Penix | eyes the sparcstations... |
| 08:03.10 | Penix | coobra: what type? Ultra II, III? |
| 08:03.40 | coobra | cpu : TI UltraSparc IIIi (Jalapeno) |
| 08:03.52 | coobra | its spicy :D |
| 08:04.27 | Penix | mmm. cool. Was tempted to buy a couple of SunFire's a few weeks ago |
| 08:04.40 | linux-fox | !hug linux-fox |
| 08:04.40 | dpkg | gives linux-fox a hug |
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| 08:16.10 | babilen | coobra: Please refrain from jokes like that, ta! |
| 08:16.28 | Penix | haha |
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| 08:18.56 | coobra | :/ |
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| 08:21.55 | justinas | coobra: What was the joke!? |
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| 08:22.18 | Penix | non-x86 arch. so '90s |
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| 08:23.12 | justinas | But that's true! |
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| 08:23.25 | justinas | Well, maybe except for ARMs. |
| 08:23.37 | coobra | :/ |
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| 08:23.58 | Penix | all the cool kids use risc |
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| 08:25.25 | justinas | The cool kids, particularly the ones in the high school, most likely don't even know what a RISC or SISC mean. |
| 08:25.48 | Penix | true. node.js doesn't care |
| 08:26.02 | justinas | And I venture to say that nerds are hardly cool in the eyes of the general populus. |
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| 08:26.14 | Penix | wow. too deep |
| 08:27.02 | ||oop | time for stair divin |
| 08:27.06 | NotJimCarrey | geez, manually downloading dependencies is a pain, but oddly, every success feels like "yayyyyy" |
| 08:27.10 | NotJimCarrey | stupid meds |
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| 08:29.05 | Penix | NotJimCarrey: hopefully it'll teach you a valuable lesson |
| 08:29.33 | justinas | NotJimCarrey: That's easily explainable. There is this Skinner's box, where rats would get their pleasure randomly. Curiously, this made the rats to seek the "pleasure lever" more actively and consistently. This principle works in MMORPGs, too, when a player gets his random reward from dropped NPCs -- be it some coins or adamantine armor. |
| 08:29.49 | gabedain | Is there a way to exclude 'suggested' packages from the output of `apt-cache rdepends`? |
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| 08:30.15 | justinas | So in this regard, manual downloading of the dependencies is like... grinding. |
| 08:31.04 | NotJimCarrey | Penix: probably not |
| 08:31.06 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 08:31.29 | NotJimCarrey | i'm quite well known for getting responses in the range of "are you freaking nuts?" |
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| 08:31.46 | Penix | know what you mean |
| 08:31.55 | justinas | Ah, surely. |
| 08:32.00 | NotJimCarrey | but oddly, i usually get my system back |
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| 08:32.10 | NotJimCarrey | though mostly by luck |
| 08:32.19 | NotJimCarrey | and i never remember how i did it |
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| 08:33.14 | Penix | could apply those last two lines to many things in life... |
| 08:33.38 | NotJimCarrey | goes back to reinstalling dependencies, one dpkg -i at a time |
| 08:33.40 | NotJimCarrey | hahaha |
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| 08:36.03 | justinas | A colleague of mine once had to configure a server at the military base outside Berlin. When he was sitting next to the console, he had company in the form and shape of a stout military guy with an automat in hand. The colleague laboriously entered the commands into that poor server, and each (sic -- EACH!) f*ing character was recorded on paper by another guy, who confirmed to that military guy that commando guy that the command does not look m |
| 08:36.48 | NotJimCarrey | <---army signal/intel, i believe it |
| 08:37.19 | justinas | Needless to say, that my colleague surely remembered how he fixed the server. |
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| 08:38.23 | justinas | A similar approach would probably work for you to, dear NotJimCarrey. Have a commando next to you when you are fixing, record everything on paper and if you don't -- pah pah! |
| 08:39.06 | justinas | The solution is particularly elegant, since either way you won't ever complain about your failing memory. |
| 08:39.22 | NotJimCarrey | rofl |
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| 08:41.00 | Penix | "Your use of 'cat' in that pipeline is redundant, cadet! Gimme twenty, maggot!" |
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| 08:43.38 | justinas | Now I have a question. It irks me to no end that I can't find a Debian kernel roadmap or something similar ANYWHERE. |
| 08:44.07 | justinas | In essence, what kind of kernel update can we expect and when? Especially in testing/jessie. |
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| 08:54.14 | NotJimCarrey | sweet, finallt got libapp-nopaste-perl installed |
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| 08:57.03 | NotJimCarrey | this is why kuechenstation, elinks, and irssi come in handy |
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| 09:26.45 | B_Lizzard | Heh, this is embarrasing. |
| 09:26.59 | B_Lizzard | I need some help with some crap situation I put myself in. |
| 09:27.13 | NotJimCarrey | been there, still doing it |
| 09:27.50 | B_Lizzard | I added "Defaults: %wheel secure_path += "/usr/local/go/bin" to my sudoers file with visudo, thinking it would append to the secure_path variable already set before. |
| 09:28.09 | B_Lizzard | Instead, my PATH in sudo now only contains /usr/local/go/bin. |
| 09:28.27 | B_Lizzard | And, I think I have locked my root password. |
| 09:28.30 | B_Lizzard | :/ |
| 09:28.40 | B_Lizzard | Or, in any case, I cannot remember it. |
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| 09:30.25 | B_Lizzard | Oh, explicit paths worked. |
| 09:30.28 | B_Lizzard | Silly me. |
| 09:32.57 | joltcan | B_Lizzard: If you lock yourself out, restart and set "init=/bin/sh" in grub, then boot, "mount -o remount -w / ; passwd" to remount with write access so that you can change your passwd |
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| 09:35.00 | dspstv | o/ is it safe to cancel an aptitude upgrade that has already taken more than 8 hours? |
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| 09:35.30 | dspstv | too many dependencies to resolve :S |
| 09:35.30 | NotJimCarrey | the debs are in /var/apt/cache |
| 09:35.46 | NotJimCarrey | oops, /var/cache/apt |
| 09:35.58 | NotJimCarrey | any already downloaded are there |
| 09:36.09 | dspstv | hi NotJimCarrey ok |
| 09:37.33 | tremon | dspstv: if aptitude is still trying to resolve dependencies and hasn't started installing packages, it's safe to kill |
| 09:37.45 | dspstv | thanks tremon |
| 09:38.12 | dspstv | although i'm not sure how to speed up the process if i kill it |
| 09:38.26 | dspstv | so wondering if i just should leave it |
| 09:38.52 | dspstv | seems to far behind and might be even a risk to upgrade |
| 09:39.06 | dspstv | ^too |
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| 09:46.29 | guuest43242 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 09:46.36 | guuest43242 | whatt to do about this^ |
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| 09:50.38 | michel | ciao |
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| 09:51.10 | michel | !list |
| 09:51.11 | dpkg | michel: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 10:03.26 | sharpy35 | hey guys, i have a debian vServer and i got an apache running on it and a proftpd server and mysql server. i got solved this way that ftp user are existing users in the system but they cannot login via the shell. also they are locked in their home directory. what steps do i have to take to made my apache server secure? |
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| 10:12.48 | shellox | how can i set the locale in debian permanent? |
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| 10:13.05 | shellox | i set it already 3 times and it always fall back to POSIX for any reason |
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| 10:13.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell shellox -about locales |
| 10:13.33 | babilen | shellox: How did *you* set it? |
| 10:13.54 | shellox | i know the wiki babilen . i read it |
| 10:13.58 | shellox | https://gist.github.com/shellox/eb2bee56c9d06843fe76/raw/f94cd178bff6190aeee5504c4c83e6c511e07c45/gistfile1.txt |
| 10:14.04 | shellox | like that |
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| 10:14.59 | shellox | i also tried to set it in /etc/environment |
| 10:15.00 | babilen | shellox: Why do you call locale-gen manually? What does "grep -v "^#" /etc/locale.gen" give you? |
| 10:15.13 | babilen | shellox: Which locale did you select as system default? |
| 10:15.15 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 10:16.02 | babilen | wtf? |
| 10:16.04 | thoonai | heyo,having trouble with my wireless card (ti agx 111) it connects with the wifi ad it works for 300MB-1,5GB traffic. then it disconnects . |
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| 10:16.09 | thoonai | any idea? |
| 10:16.13 | shellox | babilen: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 10:16.14 | shellox | and |
| 10:16.15 | shellox | zh_TW.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 10:16.24 | shellox | en_US should be default |
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| 10:18.13 | thoonai | and on another machine nginx wont start, though it casts no errors, when I start it via 'service nginx start' |
| 10:18.33 | shellox | thoonai: is it an old nginx version? |
| 10:18.37 | babilen | shellox: Okay, please show me the output of "cat /etc/default/locale" and some output in which you demonstrate the problem. Please include *any* shell configuration files that you might have altered and in particular those in which you define the locale for your user. Please also try reprodrucing the issue with a new user. |
| 10:19.06 | thoonai | shellox: 1.2.1 |
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| 10:19.09 | shellox | thoonai: had the same issue in the past and the added better logging in a newer version. I upgraded it and saw the error then actually |
| 10:19.25 | shellox | thoonai: ah no, that should have it |
| 10:19.30 | shellox | i had 0.7.x or so |
| 10:19.34 | thoonai | uhm |
| 10:19.36 | thoonai | ok |
| 10:19.37 | shellox | a few years ago |
| 10:19.50 | thoonai | shellox: then i continue searching the error |
| 10:19.51 | babilen | thoonai: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and show us the output? Which version of Debian do you use and which kernel? |
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| 10:20.30 | thoonai | 01:07.0 Network controller [0280]: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface [104c:9066] |
| 10:21.25 | thoonai | Debian 7 32bit 3.2.0-4-686-pae (Intel celeron with 700Mhz and 128MB RAM) |
| 10:21.34 | babilen | judd: pciid 104c:9066 |
| 10:21.35 | judd | [104c:9066] is 'ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface' from 'Texas Instruments' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=104c:9066 |
| 10:21.39 | shellox | babilen: https://gist.github.com/shellox/e99548de9a611cd0eb59 |
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| 10:22.26 | babilen | shellox: Where do you set "LC_CTYPE=UTF-8" ? Why didn't you include the configuration files? |
| 10:23.11 | shellox | babilen: which do you want exactly? |
| 10:23.26 | babilen | shellox: Which shell do you use? |
| 10:23.59 | babilen | shellox: And preferably the one in which you set LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 :) -- Does this happen with a new user? |
| 10:25.33 | shellox | babilen: appended bashrc and profile https://gist.github.com/shellox/e99548de9a611cd0eb59 |
| 10:26.00 | shellox | babilen: i didn;t set it as far as i remember. I just spinned the vps up this week and i had the problem from the beginning |
| 10:26.19 | babilen | ah, VPS |
| 10:26.25 | shellox | KVM |
| 10:26.25 | babilen | shellox: So it is not your installation? |
| 10:26.49 | shellox | Nope |
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| 10:26.53 | shellox | just some default image |
| 10:26.59 | coobra | .xdefaults not used |
| 10:27.00 | coobra | hah |
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| 10:27.07 | sharpy35 | hey guys, i have a debian vServer and i got an apache running on it and a proftpd server and mysql server. i got solved this way that ftp user are existing users in the system but they cannot login via the shell. also they are locked in their home directory. what steps do i have to take to made my apache server secure? |
| 10:27.20 | babilen | shellox: Okay, try running "export LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf-8 ; export LC_ALL=en_US.utf-8" and "locale" and show me the output. Please also try it with a new user. |
| 10:27.28 | thoonai | I build the driver from this site https://wiki.debian.org/acx |
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| 10:28.38 | thoonai | what riddles me is either that I can use the card, but it dies reproducable after 300MB to 1.5GB |
| 10:28.41 | shellox | babilen: https://gist.github.com/shellox/9c9104dff349b7907a3e |
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| 10:29.06 | babilen | thoonai: I don't think we can support that driver - at least I have no idea where to start as I am not familiar with that project, it's not packaged by us nor included in the mainline kernel. I'd file a bug on their bug tracker. |
| 10:29.27 | thoonai | ok |
| 10:29.31 | jaami_ | hi how i can check if apache support websocket? |
| 10:29.38 | shellox | babilen: i did the same thing before, but it fall back after the reboot and i don't know why. Should I set it to /etc/environment or not? |
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| 10:29.52 | gabedain | Hey all. I'm running testing atm, and the latest update of iceweasel to 17.0.10 has broken a bunch of extensions. I'm trying to downgrade to 10.*, but it's dependency hell. Has anyone done this/is there a guide anywhere I could follow? |
| 10:29.54 | Cyis | sharpy35: you have FTP installed so is security really a concern? |
| 10:29.59 | thoonai | hm then I'll try an usb wireless card |
| 10:30.09 | thoonai | babilen: shellox thanks |
| 10:30.23 | babilen | shellox: yay! So, something somewhere sets LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 (which is wrong) and that breaks your system. You could run a "grep -r LC_CTYPE /etc" if you can't track it down. Sounds like a problem with the image offered by your hoster and you should contact their support. |
| 10:30.31 | sharpy35 | Cyis: what do you mean? why should ftp be a cause of insecurity? |
| 10:30.31 | shellox | babilen: hah, now i can show you |
| 10:31.02 | nkuttler | !tell gabedain about debian-next |
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| 10:31.21 | Cyis | sharpy35: if you like having users enter their password and pass it in the clear over the network and want to consider it secure more power to ya |
| 10:31.25 | babilen | thoonai: I'm sorry that I can't really do much, but this very much sounds like a piece of hardware with more than suboptimal support in Linux. Be happy that at least some out-of-tree driver exists, but that driver seems to be buggy and there is little I can do to help right now. |
| 10:31.31 | jaami_ | anybody know how to check that apache support websocket |
| 10:31.32 | jaami_ | . |
| 10:31.40 | gabedain | nkuttler: thanks |
| 10:31.48 | gabedain | Hey all. I'm running testing atm, and the latest update of iceweasel to 17.0.10 has broken a bunch of extensions. I'm trying to downgrade to 10.*, but it's dependency hell. Has anyone done this/is there a guide anywhere I could follow? |
| 10:31.50 | shellox | babilen: check gistfile 2 please |
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| 10:31.54 | gabedain | sorry |
| 10:32.19 | nkuttler | gabedain: btw, stable has 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1 |
| 10:32.27 | babilen | thoonai: I would, however, check the output of "dmesg" and other log files in /var/log for "interesting" and related output. That might help us to track down what is going on. Please also report this problem to the upstream project on http://sourceforge.net/p/acx100/bugs/ |
| 10:32.31 | nkuttler | ,v iceweasel |
| 10:32.32 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.0-2; experimental: 25.0~b9-1 |
| 10:32.36 | sharpy35 | Cyis: so what do you advice me to do? |
| 10:32.51 | nkuttler | gabedain: sounds like you have a squeeze backport installed |
| 10:32.54 | petern_ | sharpy35, ftps exists, or you get your uses to user sftp |
| 10:32.57 | nkuttler | or, want |
| 10:32.58 | Cyis | sharpy35: I use SSH/SCP/SFTP instead of FTP or telnet which both send passwords in the clear |
| 10:33.13 | babilen | shellox: Yes, LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 is *wrong* and causes the problem. You have to figure out where it is set. |
| 10:33.23 | sharpy35 | so i could remove the ftp server |
| 10:33.24 | gabedain | nkuttler: That's what I have at the moment |
| 10:33.35 | shellox | babilen: grep -r LC_CTYPE /etc |
| 10:33.36 | shellox | /etc/init.d/cron: for var in LANG LANGUAGE LC_ALL LC_CTYPE; do |
| 10:33.44 | sharpy35 | and make user allow to connect to my server via ssh? |
| 10:33.45 | sharpy35 | Cyis? |
| 10:34.05 | nkuttler | !tell gabedain about bat |
| 10:34.06 | shellox | that's the normal cron script |
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| 10:34.26 | babilen | shellox: Nothing else? What about a similar grep on all of your user's configuration files? Do you experience it with *another* and *new* user? |
| 10:34.26 | Alina-malina | how to recognize what media server is interacting with remote web server? And what is the best media server to serve video content over web rather it is file or live streaming? |
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| 10:34.48 | Cyis | sharpy35: You can configure SSH so that it'll allow SCP or SFTP without allowing console access... or allow console access to only a select few. It's all in the fine man pages |
| 10:35.13 | sharpy35 | thanks Cyis i will figure that out |
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| 10:36.40 | shellox | babilen: no, just with mine and when i use sudo |
| 10:36.46 | shellox | else it's fine |
| 10:37.13 | shellox | that helps already. I'm just going to set the locale in my .bashrc correctly |
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| 10:37.50 | babilen | shellox: You should track down where it sets LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 (can't think of anything immediately, but it must come from somewhere) |
| 10:38.42 | gabedain | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/63295/ |
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| 10:38.48 | gabedain | nkuttler: any ideas? |
| 10:39.17 | babilen | shellox: at least we arrived at a point that you can deal with it! 好棒! |
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| 10:41.02 | jaami_ | anybody know how to check if apache on debian support websocket? |
| 10:41.31 | shellox | babilen: does ssh pass the locale? |
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| 10:42.32 | Alina-malina | what is the best media server to interact with webserver i want to make a video streaming website, so i need a little help on debian |
| 10:42.39 | babilen | shellox: Not necessarily, but yes it does. |
| 10:43.05 | babilen | shellox: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale#SSH |
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| 10:43.44 | shellox | babilen: because os x use this ctype |
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| 10:45.05 | nkuttler | gabedain: apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 10:45.43 | babilen | shellox: Ah, there you go then. |
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| 10:46.12 | shellox | babilen: commented out AcceptEnv LANG LC_* and now the UTF-8 is gone for ctype. Now it's set to posix |
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| 10:46.20 | babilen | shellox: Well known problem, really. Gogole for "osx utf8 ssh ctype" |
| 10:46.22 | gabedain | http://paste.debian.net/63297/ |
| 10:46.27 | gabedain | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/63297/ |
| 10:46.45 | shellox | babilen: fucking annoying :( |
| 10:46.52 | shellox | now the error is at least gone |
| 10:46.54 | babilen | shellox: I'd rather configure the client on OSX to not send those broken locale settings |
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| 10:47.04 | shellox | yes, i will |
| 10:47.07 | nkuttler | gabedain: yeah, well, you are on testing trying to install a backport of oldstable, that can't work |
| 10:47.11 | shellox | i just wanted to test if thats the issue |
| 10:47.27 | nkuttler | gabedain: what happens when you simply apt-get install iceweasel? |
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| 10:47.56 | gabedain | nkuttler: iceweasel is already the newest version. |
| 10:48.08 | nkuttler | gabedain: great, so what was the problem again? |
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| 10:48.56 | gabedain | nkuttler: the latest update broke a bunch of extensions, I'm trying to find a way to up/downgrade iceweasel to a version where they will work again |
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| 10:49.17 | nkuttler | gabedain: when you say extensions, do you mean packaged ones or downloaded somewhere? |
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| 10:49.30 | shellox | babilen: anyway, will figure that out on monday |
| 10:49.42 | shellox | thanks for your help! |
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| 10:50.20 | babilen | shellox: 加油! |
| 10:50.20 | gabedain | nkuttler: both in this case. the biggest one for example, vimperator, is broken as a downloadable add-on as well as in the iceweasel-vimperator package |
| 10:50.39 | shellox | babilen: I'm not chinese, i just work here ;) |
| 10:50.51 | babilen | oh, okay :) |
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| 10:50.59 | nkuttler | gabedain: how is iceweasel-vimperator broken? |
| 10:51.07 | nkuttler | ,v iceweasel-vimperator |
| 10:51.08 | judd | Package: iceweasel-vimperator on i386 -- squeeze: 2.3.1-0+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.3.1-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.3-2; jessie: 3.8-1; sid: 3.8-1 |
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| 10:51.19 | babilen | shellox: It essentially means "rock on" or so :) |
| 10:51.21 | lc | hi, none of you have problems to update the repositories? |
| 10:51.28 | gabedain | nkuttler: vimperator doesn't work on it |
| 10:51.42 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 10:51.42 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 10:51.59 | shellox | babilen: yeah, my girlfriend is teaching me the language a bit, but takes a long time to read it :/ |
| 10:52.09 | shellox | they learn it from child so it's much easier! |
| 10:52.10 | gabedain | nkuttler: vimperator 3.8 (current release) is not compatible with iceweasel17.0.10 |
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| 10:52.39 | babilen | gabedain: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 10:53.33 | nkuttler | gabedain: fwiw, things break frequently in testing, and such conflicts are usually fixed within a few days/weeks |
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| 10:54.05 | babilen | shellox: If you'd like to continue chatting you should come and join us in #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 10:54.29 | gabedain | nkuttler: no worries, thanks for you help. |
| 10:54.30 | shellox | babilen: thanks will do. have a good weekend ;) |
| 10:54.43 | lc | hi, none of you have problems to update the repositories? |
| 10:55.01 | nkuttler | !tell lc about errors |
| 10:55.07 | babilen | lc: Do you? |
| 10:55.18 | lc | babilen: yes |
| 10:55.36 | babilen | lc: Show us on http://paste.debian.net and provide information about your configuration (e.g. sources.list) |
| 10:55.43 | recan | hi every one , thinking to try debian , have some questions about it , is my hardware supported ; I3 2100 /H61 / 4 Gb ram/gtx 550 ti |
| 10:56.07 | bhuddah | recan: with very high probability yes. |
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| 10:56.58 | recan | bhuddah, thank you |
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| 10:57.24 | recan | howto installl recent programs like firefox , skype ...on debian ? |
| 10:57.55 | babilen | recan: Sounds about right. Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for instructions on how to install the nvidia driver. See http://mozilla.debian.net for iceweasel (mozilla in Debian) and https://wiki.debian.org/skype for Skype. |
| 10:58.17 | maxyz | recan: mozilla.debian.net for an updated iceweasel, no idea for skype, but lots of people use it, so just google it. :) |
| 10:58.17 | lc | babilen: i pasted it |
| 10:58.26 | babilen | lc: Could you give me the URL? |
| 10:58.50 | lc | http://paste.debian.net/63299/ |
| 10:59.34 | babilen | lc: That looks about right, what is the error you see? |
| 10:59.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell recan -about install debian |
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| 11:00.22 | babilen | recan: If you have a working (preferably wired) internet connection during the installation I would recommend to grab the netinstall image with firmware. Ask the bot about <firmware image> for further details about that. |
| 11:01.08 | recan | babilen, thank you so much |
| 11:01.50 | lc | babilen: if i use these apt does the update on security but hang on the other |
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| 11:02.51 | babilen | recan: You might also want to take a look at the excellent Debian handbook (/msg dpkg handbook) you can read for free online: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ in particular Chapter 1.5 and 6 should be worth your while |
| 11:02.54 | lc | babilen: it stop on a percentage |
| 11:04.19 | babilen | lc: Could you try a mirror elsewhere? say ftp.hk or ftp.jp ? ftp.tw might or migth not be a good idea ;) Also using http.debian.net which picks the "best" mirror for you might be a good idea. I guess that it is a problem with the particular Chinese mirror (or the Chinese internet) you experience. |
| 11:04.49 | lc | babilen: it's not chinese i from Switzerland |
| 11:04.58 | recan | babilen, thank you for your advise |
| 11:05.18 | lc | babilen: ch = confederation elvetica |
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| 11:05.22 | lc | babilen: ch = confederatio elvetica |
| 11:05.29 | lc | :-) |
| 11:05.40 | thoonai | babilen: /qui |
| 11:05.49 | lc | babilen: yes i tried from sweden, germay .. |
| 11:05.54 | thoonai | babilen: ooops sorry |
| 11:05.54 | thoonai | ;) |
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| 11:06.01 | babilen | lc: *sigh* hahahaha, sorry, yeah .. To me as German Swiss would sound Chinese if I weren't actually in the position to understand Chinese. Well, try ftp.de, ftp.fr and ftp.it along with http.debian.net |
| 11:06.52 | babilen | lc: Yeah, I actually do know that. :) -- I've been to Taiwan, China and Switzerland and shouldn't have a problem with any of this. Meh, I blame a lack of coffee ;) |
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| 11:12.02 | lc | babilon: :-) |
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| 11:12.51 | lc | babilon: mh.. it worked with sweden now... |
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| 11:17.01 | babilen | lc: What about http.debian.net ? |
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| 11:20.00 | Kuroshita | Hey all, I'm running debian testing and am wondering if there's a way I can install gnome 3.8? I got too used to it in Ubuntu. |
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| 11:21.01 | Kuroshita | shoot, I realise this question might be chased out of town and if that's the case, I'll wear the shame, I missed the topic |
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| 11:26.56 | lc | babilen: i try it later. i'm going to eat now :-). Thanks anyway |
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| 11:38.59 | jaami | i need help. want to check if apache support websocke. how to check? |
| 11:39.10 | jaami | websocket*** |
| 11:39.40 | jaami | also if this question can be answered by dpkg then let me know the command. |
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| 11:40.26 | kardan | what can I do when my VG is not found by lvs and vgs or vgscan? |
| 11:42.05 | pfote | jaami: what do you mean with apache supporting websockets? isnt that more up to the client (browser)? |
| 11:43.19 | jaami | pftote im reading for help and there it says that first need to check if webserver suppport websocket |
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| 11:43.31 | jaami | pfote*** |
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| 11:45.00 | nkuttler | jaami: i don't think so, but ask #httpd |
| 11:45.22 | pfote | jaami: doesnt make much sense .. the apache itself obviously doesnt support websockets, thats up to the programming language you use, not the web server, you can do websopckets with python, java, php whatever |
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| 11:47.27 | nkuttler | looks like recent apache can proxy websockets though |
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| 11:49.49 | pfote | jaami: however, i would'nt use websockets directly but something like socket.io that degrades gracefully if websockets are not supported (to ajax/jsonp polling afair) |
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| 11:54.59 | jaami | sorry, i was trying to copy link but i first here it is what the help says Before you test above client program, you need a server which supports WebSocket. Download mod_pywebsocket-x.x.x.tar.gz from pywebsocket which aims to provide a Web Socket extension for Apache HTTP Server ans install it following these steps. |
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| 11:55.34 | jaami | http://www.tutorialspoint.com/html5/html5_websocket.htm |
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| 11:56.15 | jaami | pfote , can you give me a better link for reading? |
| 11:56.21 | eb0t | does linux use vty lines |
| 11:56.29 | eb0t | like a cisco router has vty lines |
| 11:56.35 | eb0t | for ssh and telnet |
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| 11:56.55 | pfote | jaami: have you checked socket.io? has some examples i think |
| 11:57.15 | jaami | oh i thought that was a file. let me check |
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| 12:00.46 | NotJimCarrey | i have a file with contents like "package1 package2 package3 etc", how can i use this to apt-get install? |
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| 12:01.37 | tremon | xargs apt-get install < $file |
| 12:01.58 | NotJimCarrey | thanks |
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| 12:02.44 | NotJimCarrey | stupid libgtk-3.0 uninstalls about 400 packages, but i need to run apt-get -f install to get back on track |
| 12:03.06 | NotJimCarrey | i'll downgrade it later |
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| 12:07.12 | babilen | NotJimCarrey: As mentioned earlier: It would be *much* faster to simply install amd64 from scratch with the added benefit that you don't have a broken system. But pray continue if you are interested in this academically. |
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| 12:09.28 | NotJimCarrey | babilen: it is academically actually |
| 12:09.35 | NotJimCarrey | that, and i'm stubborn |
| 12:10.41 | NotJimCarrey | i left windows because of "another blue screen? reinstall" |
| 12:10.57 | nevyn | eb0t: networking on a linux machine usually isn't that complicated |
| 12:11.10 | nevyn | eb0t: it's possible but it's not usual |
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| 12:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | NotJimCarrey, right. why spend an hour or two for a fresh install when you can spend a week fiddling with broken dependencies? |
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| 12:14.35 | NotJimCarrey | 1) you learn nothing from slapping in a disc and starting over |
| 12:14.53 | NotJimCarrey | 2) i don't have to set everything back up the way i like |
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| 12:15.31 | NotJimCarrey | my current install is several years old, and has a ton of customization |
| 12:15.51 | NotJimCarrey | does it break sometimes? hell yeah |
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| 12:16.04 | NotJimCarrey | but i've actually learned from what i broke |
| 12:16.49 | NotJimCarrey | also, one of my old nicks was OSKiller, with very good reason |
| 12:16.54 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 12:23.43 | TomyWork | the reason i'm asking is that it shows up as "upgrading" in the very first dpkg.log.* on my server and i want to know whether there's just a log file missing and someone installed it on purpose or not |
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| 12:25.53 | petern_ | dpkg.log.* doesn't go back forever. |
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| 12:26.13 | dmbaturin | How do I select flavor when building the kernel package? |
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| 12:26.47 | petern_ | /etc/logrotate.d/dpkg shows it's removed after 12 rotations. |
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| 12:31.46 | one_tkbx | When Firefox adda h.264, will Iceweasel remain free software? |
| 12:31.48 | one_tkbx | adds* |
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| 12:33.10 | dmbaturin | one_tkbx: I guess compiling it without 264 will be trivial. |
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| 12:33.53 | one_tkbx | But if one installs Iceweasel from the repos, will it not have the binary blobs? |
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| 12:35.14 | petern_ | "Cisco says it plans to release its H.264 stack under the BSD license, which will make it compatible with free and commercial software projects alike." |
| 12:35.17 | petern_ | ^ allegedly |
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| 12:39.26 | one_tkbx | huh |
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| 12:51.52 | jhutchins_wk | one_tkbx: iceweasel is the same code as firefox. |
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| 13:09.18 | aes | my debian testing just ate (almost) all fonts in X |
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| 13:10.37 | jhutchins_wk | aes: Well done! You've found a problem! |
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| 13:10.56 | aes | yes! zactly! |
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| 13:11.25 | aes | Am I the first to find it, or is it a known thing? |
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| 13:12.59 | aes | Trying to rollback libfontconfig1, fontconfig-config wants to do this: 0 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 2 downgraded, 658 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 13:13.18 | aes | that is, remove the world |
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| 13:20.10 | silentf0x | Hey guys, im trying to install irssi from a new install of debian and im getting no package |
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| 13:20.30 | silentf0x | GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org squeeze-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 13:20.36 | silentf0x | with that too |
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| 13:20.51 | erm3nda | from apt-get? |
| 13:20.55 | silentf0x | ya |
| 13:21.13 | silentf0x | my source list looks a little weird |
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| 13:22.27 | erm3nda | is not sources.list problem |
| 13:22.34 | erm3nda | is about you have not the Needed key |
| 13:22.43 | silentf0x | so how do i fix it? |
| 13:22.50 | opticron | does anyone know how to turn off the mouse pressure sensitivity stuff for the notifications and hot corner for gnome 3.8? I have the same problem as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=972244 |
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| 13:23.06 | babilen | silentf0x: Please don't use ftp.debian.org but a local mirror or one of the metamirrors such as http.debian.org that pick the "best" one automagically. Please also paste your sources.list if you think it's "weird" and paste the entire output + that of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring". How did you install it? |
| 13:23.13 | erm3nda | usually you have a installation instruction telling you the righ command and location to get the Key (if the installer does not do itself) |
| 13:23.19 | opticron | and the pressure visualizer extension confirms it |
| 13:23.38 | silentf0x | babilen: the hoster installed it so idk |
| 13:23.53 | babilen | silentf0x: Seems to be a problem with their installation then. |
| 13:24.08 | erm3nda | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:25.03 | silentf0x | heres the apt-cache thing you asked for http://pastebin.com/rn2HXgg4 |
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| 13:26.54 | silentf0x | how do i find a local mirror then for my source list? |
| 13:27.32 | erm3nda | hum, there's some bot here that can tell you.. but don't remember its command :( |
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| 13:28.55 | silentf0x | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.gz Could not resolve 'http.debian.org' |
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| 13:29.57 | silentf0x | erm3nda that site you gave me was in spanish |
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| 13:31.17 | erm3nda | silentf0x: but not the commands. |
| 13:31.18 | mumpitzel | !tell silentf0x about mirrors |
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| 13:31.33 | erm3nda | thanks mumpitzel |
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| 13:33.13 | erm3nda | mumpitzel: Q: I am php-noob, wich was asking you about LAMP into an arm5 device. Finally it RUNS as espected. The unique feature i cannot use is InnoDB engine from mysq-server. Do you know anything about it ?? |
| 13:33.29 | jhutchins_wk | http://translate.google.com |
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| 13:34.07 | galex-713 | Hello |
| 13:34.18 | galex-713 | I’ve a mkv container containing several audio streams in proprietary codecs. |
| 13:34.32 | galex-713 | I would like make one ogg audio file for each stream. |
| 13:34.40 | galex-713 | But I don’t know how to pick only one audio stream… |
| 13:34.49 | galex-713 | Even looking at manual I didn’t find how to do a such thing… |
| 13:34.59 | galex-713 | How could I do it? |
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| 13:35.44 | galex-713 | Oh, and I already did it with the english stream using “avconv -i movie.mkv -vn -codec:a libvorbis 'movie.en.ogg'”. |
| 13:35.44 | galex-713 | And tried to pick only the second stream, the italian one, with “avconv -c:a:2 dca -i movie.mkv -vn -codec:a:2 libvorbis 'movie.it.ogg'”, but that still pick the english stream (the first) |
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| 13:36.37 | kardan | One of my PVs contains no VG although I already had mounted it and filled with data. what could be reasons, that the VG is not shown? |
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| 13:37.35 | one_tkbx | jhutchins_wk, I thought iceweasel was a fork |
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| 13:38.42 | nevyn | kardan: pv's don't contain vg's |
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| 13:39.04 | nevyn | a vg is a set of pv's that contain lv's |
| 13:39.18 | silentf0x | still getting that error |
| 13:39.19 | silentf0x | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 13:40.00 | lvh | Hi |
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| 13:42.02 | silentf0x | im gonna see if my hoster wont mind adding the key :) |
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| 13:43.10 | tremon | galex-713: see mkvextract, package mkvtoolnix |
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| 13:50.18 | jhutchins_wk | !why iceweasel |
| 13:50.18 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
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| 13:51.57 | jhutchins_wk | one_tkbx: Not a fork, same code, different titles & logos. |
| 13:52.06 | Roenie | fire, ice.... weasel...fox... i never really thought about it, heh |
| 13:53.14 | jhutchins_wk | !public key not available |
| 13:53.15 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Packaged keys for Debian repositories are in debian-archive-keyring. The current key is also at http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 13:53.20 | kardan | nevyn: oh right, I meant VG. (my LVs each only contain one partition all of one PV) |
| 13:54.14 | kardan | i should reconsider this and put them all in one LV. is there a way to move a VG to another LV? Hope I am not confusing too much. |
| 13:54.30 | one_tkbx | jhutchins_wk, what does that accomplish? |
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| 13:56.24 | kardan | first I need to find out my VG is not shown anyway. How could this be affected by a reboot? Maybe because of some trigger caused by my former deletions (I recreated the LV/VG for some reasons). |
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| 13:57.29 | jzk1 | Has anyone heard of a problem (possibly with compiz) where a window doesn't update until you click off it? |
| 13:59.31 | aes | jzk1: No, but I'm reminded of the problem I get when I have too many windows: I get ghost clone windows that paint background on top of everything... |
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| 14:00.20 | ente | hello |
| 14:00.32 | ente | is there a prerelease kernel repository for debian? |
| 14:00.49 | ente | I need 3.11 for my touchpad to be supported, apparently |
| 14:01.02 | ente | and if there's binary kernels available I'd rather not compile my own |
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| 14:01.47 | kardan | I know the name of the VG, but I cannot activate it again, it's just gone: vgchange -a y media #> Volume group "media" not found |
| 14:01.52 | aes | "ghost" because it's not an actual window, "clone" because it's exactly the same size as some other window, except it's on top of 0,0, painting some background there |
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| 14:05.45 | kardan | what does it mean when pvdisplay shows the LV as "Allocatable NO"? |
| 14:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 14:06.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 14:09.54 | kardan | crazy, the VG has lost it's name and info about PE after reboot. please sb shed some light on my brain. |
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| 14:11.27 | kardan | this could help to understand my issue: https://paste.debian.net/63330/ |
| 14:12.00 | ente | jhutchins_wk: can I install just the sid kernel on wheezy? |
| 14:12.06 | kardan | if there is a better place to ask, please point my nose to it. |
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| 14:12.09 | ente | it tries to pull in a new glibc, I'd rather avoid that |
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| 14:12.55 | YokoBR | hi guys |
| 14:12.58 | ente | also gcc 4.8, which breaks things |
| 14:13.03 | YokoBR | how do i install minitube on wheezy? |
| 14:13.04 | ente | at least that's what I heard about it |
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| 14:16.18 | kardan | YokoBR: is it in the cache? |
| 14:16.33 | jhutchins_wk | !tell ente about ssb |
| 14:16.43 | YokoBR | nope :( |
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| 14:16.55 | abrotman | that sounds like a horrible idea |
| 14:17.11 | abrotman | minitube is in jessie/sid |
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| 14:17.43 | msn | is there a way to compile a specific sub module of a package, I have a custom mysql installed and would like to recompile just php5-mysql wihtout installing all the other dev packages for various php5- packages |
| 14:17.47 | ente | jhutchins_wk: yeah, the point was that I want to avoid buiding the kernel |
| 14:17.51 | ente | anyway |
| 14:17.54 | ente | doing that now. thanks |
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| 14:27.08 | isidore | how are applications in debian able to get an echo port when echo port is not defined in /etc/protocols ? |
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| 14:27.29 | petern_ | What applications use an echo port? |
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| 14:27.36 | isidore | cpan it seems |
| 14:27.59 | petern_ | Also, you probably want /etc/services |
| 14:28.11 | isidore | why? |
| 14:28.48 | petern_ | echo is a service, not a protocol. |
| 14:29.06 | petern_ | Do you actually mean echo? |
| 14:29.08 | isidore | ofcourse, sorry |
| 14:29.17 | petern_ | cpan using echo is a bit weird. |
| 14:29.36 | petern_ | Anything using echo is a bit weird, even. |
| 14:30.19 | isidore | i just added echo to /etc/services on the custom distro i'm using and now cpan works |
| 14:31.00 | isidore | i honestly have no idea what cpan is up to, it's Net::Ping that wants the echo service |
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| 14:32.41 | DammitJim | I am just now learning about adding services to a server |
| 14:32.53 | DammitJim | and I understand I need to add my script to /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:33.09 | DammitJim | the process I want to start doesn't have anything special when terminating |
| 14:33.11 | Elemeno-work | I'd follow a template Jim |
| 14:33.19 | DammitJim | is it ok to just do a killall myprocess ? |
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| 14:33.34 | DammitJim | or are there more graceful ways of stopping it like when the server is being rebooted? |
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| 14:33.44 | petern_ | isidore, ah, I guess it's doing a tcp/udp ping rather than a standard icmp ping, as icmp ping needs privileges. |
| 14:33.45 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm looking at a template from jboss |
| 14:34.04 | Elemeno-work | I am interested in doing this for the first time as well |
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| 14:34.23 | Elemeno-work | if you were interested in learning it together |
| 14:34.24 | petern_ | isidore, but that doesn't need the echo service, so I guess somebody's just confused the two at some point... |
| 14:34.29 | DammitJim | sure |
| 14:34.35 | DammitJim | I don't think I'll finish it today, though |
| 14:34.48 | DammitJim | I"m using this guide: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HighQuality-Apps-HOWTO/boot.html |
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| 14:34.59 | DammitJim | subsystem section at the bottom |
| 14:35.02 | Elemeno-work | cool, I'll have a look |
| 14:35.41 | Kuba | why does this happen? $ ls -al adb && ./adb |
| 14:35.41 | Kuba | -rwxrwx---. 1 jakub jakub 1231255 paź 23 15:23 adb |
| 14:35.41 | Kuba | bash: ./adb: No such file or directory |
| 14:36.15 | DammitJim | what is jobs supposed to tell me? |
| 14:36.44 | petern_ | Kuba, is adb a binary? |
| 14:36.50 | DammitJim | oh, jobs started in the current shell |
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| 14:36.56 | Kuba | petern_: adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
| 14:36.58 | DammitJim | that's why I don't see any in this new ssh connection |
| 14:37.07 | Kuba | petern_: I'm on 64 bit debian |
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| 14:37.15 | petern_ | Do you have 32 bit libraries installed? |
| 14:37.15 | kardan | is slightly becoming paranoid because of the tag "NEW Physical volume" as if it has been deleted and recreated before/during/after reboot. |
| 14:37.45 | Elemeno-work | DammitJim: I'd be better off learning this at home and not on these critical systems at home |
| 14:37.57 | DammitJim | ? |
| 14:38.13 | Elemeno-work | *critical systems at work |
| 14:38.19 | DammitJim | right |
| 14:38.20 | Kuba | petern_: ia32-libs? |
| 14:38.39 | Elemeno-work | what are you trying to run from startup? |
| 14:39.34 | Kuba | petern_: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
| 14:39.36 | DammitJim | some java program the developers made |
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| 14:39.57 | petern_ | Kuba, since Wheezy, no, libc6:i386. |
| 14:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: One often creates a file in /var/run with the PID, which can then be read to shutdown the program. |
| 14:40.58 | Kuba | petern_: /adb: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:41.42 | petern_ | Yup. Welcome to the joys of non-packaged binaries. You get to figure out which libraries you need. |
| 14:41.47 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, that's interesting |
| 14:42.02 | Kuba | petern_: ok |
| 14:42.06 | Kuba | petern_: thx |
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| 14:42.11 | DammitJim | how does one know the PID to put it in that file? |
| 14:42.15 | DammitJim | wouldn't that always change? |
| 14:42.17 | petern_ | ldd adb might help |
| 14:42.18 | Kuba | getpid() |
| 14:42.35 | Kuba | petern_: yep, guessed it |
| 14:42.41 | petern_ | Cool |
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| 14:48.03 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Have a look at some of the existing scripts for the method. I think it may be as simple as "pidof", or possibly something that the program can return when started. |
| 14:48.44 | DammitJim | oh, you mean, the startup program will get the PID and put it into a file in /var/run? |
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| 14:50.43 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: The init script does it, yes. /var/run/<program> usually. |
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| 14:51.19 | DammitJim | hhmmm... and then who stops that process? |
| 14:51.24 | prnmrc | Hi all I would like to have gnome 3 on my debian box which repo should I use? Testing? |
| 14:51.28 | DammitJim | the OS knows to do it since it is on /var/run? |
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| 14:51.53 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You pas shutdown to the initscript, or it's called from the shutdown script because there's an Sxx link in the runlevel. |
| 14:52.28 | jhutchins_wk | prnmrc: Only if you are runniing testing. Do not mix releases. |
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| 14:52.38 | DammitJim | I pass it in my script that I put in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 14:53.05 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Right, again, look at some of those scripts and see how they do it. No need to invent the wheel. |
| 14:53.21 | prnmrc | And if I am not running testing? |
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| 14:54.38 | DammitJim | kill `cat $PIDFILE` || true |
| 14:54.41 | DammitJim | interesting |
| 14:54.55 | luichi | hello |
| 14:55.50 | jhutchins_wk | prnmrc: Then install it from whatever relase you're running. |
| 14:55.52 | DammitJim | oh, funny... the files in /var/run just have the PID inside of them like ntpd.pid says just 3483 |
| 14:55.55 | DammitJim | LOL... never knew that |
| 14:56.00 | luichi | i have debian testing updated and when i suspend and return back my pc freezes like 1 minute and in a terminal appears this message two times: kernel:[30036.068012] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [NetworkManager:2141] |
| 14:56.46 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: So one of the things the script should do on shutdown is remove that file, and something you can do on startup is check for that file, and if it exists exit with an error message. |
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| 14:57.29 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, why would it exist upon boot? |
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| 14:57.39 | DammitJim | doesn't stuff on /var/run get cleared on reboot? |
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| 14:57.45 | bejker | !steam |
| 14:57.49 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:58.11 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Because it's already started by an earlier process, or maybe this isn't at boot, but if it's already running maybe starting a new instance is a Bad Thing. |
| 14:58.35 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: /var/lock is also used for that purpose. |
| 14:58.38 | DammitJim | hhmmmm |
| 14:58.47 | DammitJim | wow... this is like a whole new world |
| 14:59.54 | bezaban | both of which are /run |
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| 15:00.32 | bezaban | and not on a 'real' fs |
| 15:01.07 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
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| 15:09.40 | msn | is there a way to compile a specific sub module of a package, I have a custom mysql installed and would like to recompile just php5-mysql wihtout installing all the other dev packages for various php5- packages |
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| 15:13.08 | silentf0x | what repo has irssi in it? |
| 15:15.55 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions irssi |
| 15:15.56 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-5~bpo60+1+b1; wheezy: 0.8.15-5; jessie: 0.8.15-5+b1; sid: 0.8.15-5+b1; experimental: 0.8.16~rc1-1 |
| 15:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | silentf0x: I think it's in main. |
| 15:16.44 | silentf0x | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib |
| 15:16.51 | silentf0x | but it still cant find the irssi package |
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| 15:19.00 | silentf0x | ha i got it |
| 15:19.06 | silentf0x | i added the MAIN repo :) |
| 15:19.20 | silentf0x | i feel noobish lol |
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| 15:19.45 | jhutchins_wk | silentf0x: Everybody starts somewhere. |
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| 15:21.10 | atari314 | hello, does anyone here ever used emdebian grip 3.0/3.1? |
| 15:21.47 | gentel_politicia | blub |
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| 15:23.31 | jmd | I want to add a custom file to /etc/init.d are there any tips about doing that? |
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| 15:24.02 | silentf0x | thanks for the help guys :) |
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| 15:29.00 | ctmjr | jmd, there is a skeleton file and a README in /etc/init.d that should be able to get you going and also look at some of the other working files in there |
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| 15:32.09 | jmd | ctmjr, Oh thanks. |
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| 15:38.20 | jumperswitch | There is a dev tool which can run in fakeroot. Now there is another tool which prepares something for that dev tool and it requires always root - not fakeroot. So it is worth letting the dev tool run in fakeroot? Or let it run as root anyways? |
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| 15:39.43 | ghking | hello using c language, how can i get the tty name I am using. is there same system function? |
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| 15:41.57 | well_laid_lawn | ghking: see man ttyname |
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| 15:42.22 | ghking | ok! thanks |
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| 15:46.27 | undecided | I'm looking for an easy way to check from terminal if a download is complete |
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| 15:47.02 | undecided | download is performed using Firefox |
| 15:47.52 | undecided | I want to catch the event of download completion, and get the terminal execute some command |
| 15:48.29 | ghking | well_laid_lawn , hello! it seems that function is not what i need. he need an fp point to a tty device, but i don't know which is my tty, how can i get the fp |
| 15:49.03 | well_laid_lawn | ghking: isn't fp stdin ? |
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| 15:49.11 | well_laid_lawn | so 0 |
| 15:49.37 | ghking | 0? what it is? give 0 to fp? |
| 15:50.28 | well_laid_lawn | stdin = 0, stdout = 1, stderr =2 |
| 15:51.12 | stevie_man | I am trying to get an hauppague PVR-150 card installed. Hauppague's site says I need to use IVTV however other sites say that Squeeze doesn't neede IVTV. I don't see my card in Myth so I'm wondering how do I find out if the card is installed? |
| 15:51.19 | ghking | it seems that i am understanding, let me try, thank you! |
| 15:51.32 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
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| 15:52.37 | Shinobi | Should I use /dev/cdrom or /dev/scd0 for creating iso files from CDs? |
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| 15:53.29 | silv3r_m00n | hi there, i did a apt-get purge apache2 and the entire www directory with all my project files has vanished, how to get it back ? |
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| 15:54.00 | ghking | well_laid_lawn , yes , that's all ok! thank you very much! |
| 15:54.14 | well_laid_lawn | ghking: happy to help :) |
| 15:56.05 | jhutchins_wk | stevie_man: lspci - see if it's correctly identified. |
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| 15:56.47 | jhutchins_wk | Shinobi: Shouldn't matter. |
| 15:57.20 | stevie_man | jhutchins: Thanks! I couldn't remember that command |
| 15:57.31 | stevie_man | jhutchins: Doesn't seem to be listed |
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| 15:59.39 | jalt | hi, i can't get netcat.traditional to persist (as a server) after the client closes the connection. this is what i am doing: nc.traditional -l -p 7777 -q -1 -v -v -e /usr/bin/aplay |
| 15:59.50 | jalt | on client: nc.traditional -v -v localhost 7777 < text.wav |
| 16:00.01 | owen1 | any good questions for dev/ops job interview? |
| 16:00.22 | jalt | it is basically not honoring the -q switch. this is ubuntu 13.10, but #ubuntu was useless |
| 16:00.31 | owen1 | i was thinking of sshing him into my debian but not sure what to ask him. |
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| 16:00.37 | Shinobi | jhutchins_wk:Thanks |
| 16:00.56 | stevie_man | Do I need to install the IVTV-utils on Squeeze? |
| 16:00.57 | owen1 | maybe write a bash script that is doing something simple? |
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| 16:02.01 | guardian | hello, can someone please tell me why there's both fail2ban's sshd.conf and ssh-ddos.conf? |
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| 16:05.26 | jhutchins_wk | stevie_man: Do you have an unidentified item in lspci? Try lspci -nn to get the pciid. |
| 16:05.41 | stevie_man | jhutchins_wk: Actually the PVR-150 card is showing up. I just double checked |
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| 16:06.20 | jhutchins_wk | stevie_man: So if it's correctly identified that usually means the correct kernel module is loaded (lsmod). |
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| 16:07.11 | stevie_man | jhutchins_wk: This is all I get when I do a lspci -nn '02:10.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) Video Decoder [4444:0016] (rev 01)' |
| 16:07.11 | oznt | hi guys, I am going crazy... my debian (jessie) is mounting my usb drive (fat32) as root only. It does not happen with all usb disk (also formatted with fat32) I don't know where to start looking |
| 16:07.21 | oznt | can someone give some advice ? |
| 16:07.37 | oznt | this behavior is maybe due to some broken package ? or buggy? |
| 16:08.24 | NotJimCarrey | i'm trying to run "xargs apt-get install < removed" and it looks like it normally would typed out completely, but at "Do you want to continue? [Y/n] |
| 16:08.27 | NotJimCarrey | oops |
| 16:08.38 | NotJimCarrey | " it just says Abort |
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| 16:09.44 | NotJimCarrey | oh, babilen, almost have it completely done |
| 16:09.54 | NotJimCarrey | just installing the now missing packages |
| 16:10.39 | antiwire | Hey, I've been running the 32 bit version of Wheezy for quite a while, since it was testing, and I've looking to wipe and install the 64 bit version. Does anyone know if I will experience massive issue with Flash plugin? I manually install the Adobe plugins in 32bit Wheezy and it works fairly well. Anyone have comments on Adobe flash plugin on 64bit wheezy? |
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| 16:11.53 | NotJimCarrey | antiwire: i just migrated (sort of) from i386 to amd64 |
| 16:12.04 | NotJimCarrey | definately not for the faint of heart, or the sane |
| 16:12.08 | NotJimCarrey | but it is possible |
| 16:12.17 | antiwire | NotJimCarrey: I'm not looking to migrate anything |
| 16:12.32 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 16:12.38 | NotJimCarrey | can't blame you |
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| 16:12.43 | antiwire | I'm asking if anyone as opinion in the comparison of Flash plugin in 32bit vs 64bit |
| 16:12.48 | NotJimCarrey | i know |
| 16:13.09 | NotJimCarrey | <-no sleep, dopey on meds, and been migrating system all night |
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| 16:13.28 | NotJimCarrey | so i tend to ramble |
| 16:13.34 | bluesm_ | What is the meaning of "prefix=/usr/local" in make command ? |
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| 16:13.59 | NotJimCarrey | bluesm_: that tells make to install it based in /usr/local |
| 16:14.00 | bluesm_ | make prefix=/usr/local allsudo make prefix=/usr/local install |
| 16:14.19 | NotJimCarrey | but |
| 16:14.37 | NotJimCarrey | normally, the prefix is set during configure, and that's it |
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| 16:16.13 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know another way to take a text file with one long line of package names, and parse it to apt-get install? |
| 16:16.28 | NotJimCarrey | xargs keeps ending with abort |
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| 16:17.52 | NotJimCarrey | "xargs apt-get install < removed" is the actual command i'm using, with "removed" being the name of the text file |
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| 16:18.08 | oznt | nobody here can help with usb automounting? this thing was working properly ... now I feel like going 5 years back in time |
| 16:18.51 | NotJimCarrey | oznt: i may have something, one sec |
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| 16:19.52 | NotJimCarrey | oznt: here's the line i have in my /etc/fstab for my usb drive |
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| 16:20.16 | oznt | NotJimCarrey, editing fstab is a bad solution |
| 16:20.27 | oznt | i don't want to do it for each disk i have |
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| 16:20.48 | oznt | i want to have it like this: insert a disk - copy files- unmount disk |
| 16:20.50 | Shinobi | Is there a list of sources and what they are? |
| 16:21.01 | oznt | a la, normal desktop user |
| 16:21.17 | NotJimCarrey | UUID=1234567890 /media/storage ntfs-3g uid=notjimcarrey,gid=users 0 0 |
| 16:21.19 | mtn | oznt: you didn't mention if you checked permissions |
| 16:21.43 | oznt | mtn, it's FAT32 from what i understand I can't change the permissions |
| 16:21.43 | NotJimCarrey | Shinobi: who was that for? |
| 16:22.06 | oznt | mtn, something here broke, and I would like to know what |
| 16:22.07 | mtn | oznt: right, I forgot since I don't touch such things :P |
| 16:22.08 | Shinobi | NotJimCarrey: ANyone who can answer |
| 16:22.23 | NotJimCarrey | Shinobi: as in all sources you could potentially use in debian? |
| 16:22.56 | Shinobi | NotJimCarrey: I'm confused between main, contrib, debports, stable, unstable, testing.. |
| 16:23.01 | oznt | mtn, when you plug a usb to your laptop does it mount with normal user permissions? |
| 16:23.02 | NotJimCarrey | oznt: i do know there's a way, because i use to use it. just personally prefer fstab |
| 16:23.21 | Shinobi | I think I get the stable, unstable, and testing.. but where does main, contrib, debports fit in? |
| 16:23.24 | mtn | oznt: I have never had a problem with usb sticks |
| 16:23.29 | Shinobi | NotJimCarrey^ |
| 16:23.44 | NotJimCarrey | Shinobi: it usually depends on how the source is setup, but also on which version of debian you run |
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| 16:23.48 | oznt | mtn, what version of debian are using? which desktop environment? |
| 16:24.08 | NotJimCarrey | Shinobi: main is, well, the main repo |
| 16:24.18 | oznt | brb |
| 16:24.33 | mtn | oznt: been using debian for years, so many versions. currently wheezy 64 with gnome and kde |
| 16:24.50 | mtn | Shinobi: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 16:24.51 | NotJimCarrey | Shinobi: debports is usually a pacakge that's roughly ported, like from ubuntu; and contrib, um, i forget |
| 16:24.57 | NotJimCarrey | mtn: thanks |
| 16:25.11 | Shinobi | NotJimCarrey: is debports stable? |
| 16:25.12 | mtn | NotJimCarrey: welcome |
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| 16:26.05 | NotJimCarrey | Shinobi: normally, yes, just don't be suprised if it breaks one day, and it's at your own risk (as in, you MAY get help here) |
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| 16:26.26 | NotJimCarrey | though i use HIGHLY experimental repos, but I'm use to breaking stuff |
| 16:27.13 | NotJimCarrey | that, and the majority of my main programs are run from git |
| 16:27.21 | Shinobi | NotJimCarrey: OK. Does PPM exist in the debian world. |
| 16:27.30 | NotJimCarrey | RPM? |
| 16:27.39 | Shinobi | mtn: Thanks... reading now. |
| 16:27.44 | bluesm_ | NotJimCarrey: Ok..... Could you explain me what "based in" means ? |
| 16:27.49 | jhutchins_wk | !debports |
| 16:27.49 | dpkg | [debports] a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
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| 16:28.10 | jhutchins_wk | Shinobi: Not officially. |
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| 16:28.32 | NotJimCarrey | pretty much yes, but no |
| 16:29.02 | jhutchins_wk | PPM being third-party repositories specific to Ubuntu |
| 16:29.04 | Shinobi | NotJimCarrey: jhutchins_wk: ok |
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| 16:29.38 | bluesm_ | NotJimCarrey: I see /usr/local and here are several folders - bin, etc games include lib man sbin share src |
| 16:29.39 | jhutchins_wk | Shinobi: Most decent software gets imported to the official repos. Conversely, most that isn't is of suspect quality. |
| 16:30.31 | jhutchins_wk | Shinobi: The exception is software that comes directly from the developers but is packaged for Debian. |
| 16:30.42 | bluesm_ | NotJimCarrey: Do you have time to explain me what they does mean ? |
| 16:31.08 | NotJimCarrey | bluesm_: correct, /usr/local is where most user available packages are installed |
| 16:31.08 | NotJimCarrey | i can try |
| 16:31.27 | jhutchins_wk | !lfhs |
| 16:31.27 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
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| 16:31.44 | Shinobi | jhutchins_wk: Thanks |
| 16:31.54 | NotJimCarrey | geez, one day i'll remember the bang commands |
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| 16:32.22 | oznt | mtn, rrr ... this is annoying the latest debian kernel is responsible for this behavior ... |
| 16:32.26 | jhutchins_wk | NotJimCarrey: I've been known to keep a cheat sheet. |
| 16:32.36 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 16:32.54 | NotJimCarrey | honestly, i probably have one, but who knows where i saved it |
| 16:33.06 | oznt | for some reason when i boot my computer with kernel 3.2 usbs are mounted with user permissions in mate-desktop, but with kernel 3.10 it is not ... |
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| 16:33.25 | NotJimCarrey | anyway, off to try to get my paperwork unfubared |
| 16:33.33 | peterrooney | "which is faster, grep or the index" |
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| 16:35.03 | jhutchins_wk | peterrooney: context? |
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| 17:04.30 | GerHarsesis | Hi, I'm having problems with some Debian VMs. There are different services that do not start properly (syslog-ng and ybind) on startup, but manual restarting after booting works well. syslog-ng has issues with resolving the DNS name of the remote server. The problems only accour somethines. As far as I figured out the issues only appear when I use DHCP for the ethernet interface, with static IP's i have no problems. Any sugge |
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| 17:06.52 | bzed | GerHarsesis: write the necessary hostnemaes into /etc/hosts. Or add a dhcp client hook which restarts them after connecting. |
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| 17:08.12 | bzed | GerHarsesis: or put scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d, there is one for the openssh-server, for example |
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| 17:09.37 | GerHarsesis | could you explain the part with the client hook a little futher? You mean restarting syslog and nis? |
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| 17:10.55 | partitionproblem | hi |
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| 17:12.21 | partitionproblem | i want to boot from a livecd/usb and then copy the OS on a ramdisk and then pivot_root it so that i can then remove the dvd/usb. is it possible? |
| 17:12.29 | nabblet | hi, what version of debian do you recommend for desktop use? i intend to use it on a lenovo ideapad s12 for daily use (browsing, office, engineering software) |
| 17:12.40 | jhutchins_wk | GerHarsesis: Do the problems occur if you hard code the IP of the syslog and NIS servers? |
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| 17:13.21 | jhutchins_wk | partitionproblem: How much RAM do you have? |
| 17:13.35 | GerHarsesis | jhutchins_wk: Give me a sec, i will try |
| 17:13.38 | jhutchins_wk | nabblet: Stable. |
| 17:14.00 | jhutchins_wk | GerHarsesis: You may want to put them in /etc/hosts if that fixes the problem. |
| 17:14.02 | partitionproblem | nabblet: try wheezy and if you have problem with very new hardware you can try testing. Usually wheezy is enough |
| 17:14.22 | dr0p | hello, where can I find the list of files that are created or changed during the process of creating new user? |
| 17:14.31 | partitionproblem | jhutchins_wk 6GB |
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| 17:15.40 | jhutchins_wk | partitionproblem: Theoretically it can be done. I know the clonezilla disk has that option, you might see how they do it. |
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| 17:16.40 | jhutchins_wk | partitionproblem: It would take some time to read everything into ram. |
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| 17:16.49 | mumpitzel | nabblet: we always suggest stable. only when there are good reasons (rarely) we suggest something else, and usually only when people already ran stable for a bit |
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| 17:18.25 | nabblet | jhutchins_wk: partitionproblem mumpitzel fair enough. i'll try wheezy first then. thank you for your suggestions |
| 17:18.29 | bzed | dr0p: that depends a lot on the configuration of your system, but looking at /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group is a start, and /etc/skel will be copied into the new user's home directory |
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| 17:18.37 | nabblet | !wheezy |
| 17:18.37 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.2>. |
| 17:18.46 | partitionproblem | jhutchins_wk i've tried to copy all the stuff (with cp -Rp ) and then chroot there but.. then? i thought i would need to run init , do you know the tipical command ? "init 6" doesnt work... |
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| 17:18.47 | bzed | dr0p: but somehow I think you have a completely different problem? could that be? what do you want to do? |
| 17:19.00 | jhutchins_wk | dr0p: /etc/skel? |
| 17:19.47 | dr0p | bzed: I want to list all files that are changed or created after 'adduser generic_user' |
| 17:19.57 | bzed | dr0p: *why*? |
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| 17:20.37 | partitionproblem | dr0p: also /home/generic_user |
| 17:20.47 | dr0p | bezd: doing some reaearch for an exam ;) |
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| 17:20.58 | dr0p | bzed research |
| 17:21.32 | dr0p | fond files /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow, /etc/gshadow and /etc/skel/* (sound good to me) |
| 17:21.35 | dr0p | thanks |
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| 17:22.21 | bzed | dr0p: strace -vfF -e open adduser generic_user |
| 17:23.01 | bzed | dr0p: or try open,write |
| 17:23.05 | bzed | something like that :) |
| 17:23.24 | bzed | but that also shows files which are being read, so be careful :) |
| 17:23.56 | dr0p | bzed: it's so cool, thanks. |
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| 17:26.07 | partitionproblem | jhutchins_wk ok thanks i'll look in the clonezilla iso |
| 17:26.15 | partitionproblem | bye :) |
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| 17:27.26 | nickanderson | I am trying to figure out which apt repository tools I should use if I want to support pinning. I |
| 17:27.48 | nickanderson | Its just a small repo so I dont need a full db |
| 17:29.06 | guardian | hello, can someone please tell me why there's both fail2ban's sshd.conf and ssh-ddos.conf? |
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| 17:30.45 | dondelelcaro | nickanderson: one matches auth failures, and the other people not sending identification strings |
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| 17:30.57 | dondelelcaro | nickanderson: you can see the difference in the filter configuration files |
| 17:31.24 | nickanderson | guardian: I think those messages from dondelelcaro are for you |
| 17:31.39 | dondelelcaro | nickanderson: err, yes; sorry. |
| 17:31.41 | dondelelcaro | guardian: see above. |
| 17:31.48 | nickanderson | :) |
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| 17:33.04 | guardian | ok, so my next question is: is it a good idea to add a regex for "Received disconnect from" in ssh-ddos.conf? I see a lot of these in my auth.log |
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| 17:34.16 | GerHarsesis | jhutchins_wk: using static ips seems to solve the problem, but I would strongly prefer using dynamic IP's and my lokal DNS server, how could i solve the problems without using static IP's or putting all hots into local host file? |
| 17:34.40 | bzed | GerHarsesis: I've answered that allready. see above. |
| 17:34.42 | InTrouble | Hi guys, may I bother someone with a question about driver installation. I've been trying for two days already to configure my wireless cart, a AR9285. Has anyone got such a card to work ?. |
| 17:35.45 | dondelelcaro | guardian: no, because perfectly legitimate clients will do that |
| 17:36.11 | mumpitzel | InTrouble: what is the pci id? |
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| 17:36.27 | mumpitzel | and ath9k should work out of the box |
| 17:36.55 | InTrouble | mumpitzel, give me a second, it's booting. :) |
| 17:37.20 | mumpitzel | ar9285 is supported by ath9k |
| 17:37.24 | InTrouble | well, i'm not alone. AR9285 seems to be problematic. |
| 17:37.36 | InTrouble | There are post allover the web. :/ |
| 17:38.03 | GerHarsesis | bzed: are you sure a script will help? Using dhcp with static IP seems to work -> seems more like an DNS problem? Shouldend this result in errors if the interface is not up? |
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| 17:39.36 | luichi | task-desktop is a metapackage? |
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| 17:39.57 | mumpitzel | all tasks are |
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| 17:44.02 | luichi | mumpitzel: ok, i think this will have to be specified in the description of the package |
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| 17:44.49 | guardian | dondelelcaro: sure but still, there are hosts hammering apparently |
| 17:45.46 | jhutchins_wk | GerHarsesis: The problem is that those services are trying to come up before you have access to your DNS server. We use one server for both and put it in hosts. |
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| 17:46.56 | jhutchins_wk | GerHarsesis: The other solution would be to make sure networking is all the way up before those server try to start. |
| 17:47.11 | GerHarsesis | jhutchins_wk: How could i ensure that? |
| 17:47.23 | InTrouble | mumpitzel: the PCI ID is 168c:002b , is that of any help ?. |
| 17:47.28 | jhutchins_wk | GerHarsesis: The problem with _that_ is that NIS is sometimes used instead of DNS, so it want's to be up early. |
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| 17:48.03 | GerHarsesis | jhutchins_wk: I'm using nis just for user authentication, so that should be no problem? |
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| 17:48.14 | jhutchins_wk | GerHarsesis: You would have to work with the dependencies in the init file headers and I'm not very familiar with how the parallel load system handles that. |
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| 17:49.30 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 17:49.31 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 17:50.22 | InTrouble | Yup judd, the problem is that ath9k is not working with my wireless card although it should. |
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| 18:20.53 | Snader_LB | hi all |
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| 18:21.00 | phix | hai Snader_LB |
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| 18:21.43 | Snader_LB | general Debian question: i get no sound output on the laptop i'm on. wireless needed firmware drivers, but the installer pointed me to that. how can i find out how to get audio output? |
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| 18:25.34 | metrix | I have a home office environment of Debian machines (all using LVM) and a server that I would like backed up to a NAS. Backups are important, and I want something easy and well tested (I want to spend my time developing software,not developing backup scripts) any suggestions? |
| 18:25.47 | metrix | I am more than willing to pay for a good solution |
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| 18:27.57 | petn-randall | metrix: rdiff-backup could work for you. It's quite simple. If you want a more "complete" solution, I'd go for bacula. |
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| 18:29.08 | metrix | petn-randall: Thank you, I will look into it |
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| 18:31.19 | dox | hi all. I'm trying to add deluge to startup for my debian user-when triyng to use invoke-rc I get this error: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: 500: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: /etc/init.d/deluge-daemon: not found -- the deluge-daemon file definitely exists, chmodded 755 so I'm not sure why I'm getting this error-- any ideas? |
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| 18:32.49 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 18:32.50 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 18:33.13 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Does it start/stop manually? |
| 18:33.13 | mumpitzel | InTrouble: you need to give more details about how simple ath9k fails you |
| 18:33.31 | caveat- | In tty the capslock led doesn't light up when I press it, even if the capitalizaion works. In X it lights up. With setleds -D +caps < /dev/ttyx it lights up |
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| 18:34.43 | bluesm_ | How can I debug the problem with ssh ? |
| 18:34.53 | bluesm_ | I could connect when I'm in the local network by |
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| 18:35.03 | bluesm_ | 192.168.0.29 adress |
| 18:35.20 | bluesm_ | But I can't outside of the local network, even though I forwarded port "22" |
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| 18:35.27 | bluesm_ | to 192.168.0.29 |
| 18:35.49 | jhutchins_wk | What happens when you try? |
| 18:36.09 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Timeout. "ETIMEDOUT" |
| 18:37.01 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: /var/log/auth.log? |
| 18:37.06 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Device that I connet from is OK, because I could connect to my server. |
| 18:37.49 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Did you configure the target system? Did you set a range of allowed IPs? |
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| 18:38.18 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: The logs are good to see if the ip's are reaching the system. |
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| 18:39.17 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Nothing update when I try to connect in "auth.log" |
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| 18:40.02 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: No I didn't set the range of allowed IPs. I assumed that everybody could now try to connect to my laptop. |
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| 18:40.12 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Do a local connetion just to show what you should be seeing. |
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| 18:41.06 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Did you specify port 22 TCP to 22 TCP? |
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| 18:42.00 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: You could try an arbitrary port, just tell the sshd to listen there. |
| 18:42.09 | jhutchins_wk | What device is doing the forwarding? |
| 18:42.24 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: This is what is shown When I connect from LAN https://gist.github.com/bluesm/7269902 |
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| 18:43.23 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: http://imgur.com/ZwEoh0x |
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| 18:44.02 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: It is my Wireless Access Device. |
| 18:44.41 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: ... which is a ... |
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| 18:45.07 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: ... and is connected to ... via ... |
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| 18:46.45 | jhutchins_wk | gives up and heads off to sweep up the dropped packets in the datacenter. |
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| 18:49.49 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Thomson TWG870U |
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| 18:50.20 | bluesm_ | and on the other side there is network provider |
| 18:50.41 | Guest39206 | hi. Is there any good resourse for starting a debian harden? |
| 18:50.54 | mumpitzel | !harden |
| 18:50.54 | dpkg | To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>. |
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| 18:51.43 | Guest39206 | mumpitzel: sorry? |
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| 18:52.00 | mumpitzel | Guest39206: read what dpkg wrote |
| 18:52.51 | Guest39206 | Ok is this guide up to date?http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 19:01.54 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Thompson has a public address? |
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| 19:02.32 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Yes/ |
| 19:02.34 | bluesm_ | Yes. |
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| 19:02.48 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: The deal is that I configured it half year ago. And it worked. |
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| 19:03.28 | jhutchins_wk | Could be something has failed. Power cycle the router? |
| 19:03.40 | jhutchins_wk | Lots of google hits for "Thomson TWG870U port forwarding" |
| 19:04.22 | jhutchins_wk | budai: I know it works, I'm at work on my Gov't laptop connected to my home desktop which runs irssi in screen. |
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| 19:06.41 | syeekick | whats the best way to install teamspeak3 on debian wheezy |
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| 19:06.58 | abrotman | ask them how to do it, i'm sure they have docs |
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| 19:08.13 | pala2 | How to diagnose why my WLAN connection is closed when having large traffic? It happens about all ~10 min. Using debian: 3.10-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.10.11-1 (2013-09-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:09.29 | dox | jhutchins_wk: it does start manually |
| 19:09.38 | dox | sorry for the delay-- had to step out to lunch |
| 19:10.28 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Could you check something remotely ? 89.79.177.93 |
| 19:10.39 | dox | well with "deluged" the daemon definitely starts-- i'm jut following the guide here: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu |
| 19:11.07 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Use one of the other utilities - update_rc.d, rcconf, chkconfig |
| 19:11.25 | jhutchins_wk | dox: I mean /etc/init.d/deluged start |
| 19:11.42 | jhutchins_wk | dox: or service deluged start |
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| 19:12.26 | syeekick | i done all this through root. is it safe? apt-cache search teamspeak, apt-get download teamspeak-client, apt get install teamspeak-client, apt-get uppdate.... is this a safe way of installing things? i done it all through root. |
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| 19:13.17 | dox | service command not found and cnt find /etc/init.d/deluged start |
| 19:13.20 | dox | but "deluged" starts the process |
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| 19:13.54 | dox | sorry if I'm making awful mistakes, still learning a lot of the linux/debian innards |
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| 19:14.06 | zykotick9 | recently switched from rtorrent to transmission-daemon (transmission-remote-cli) and is quite happy with the results |
| 19:14.14 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Ok, if /etc/init.d/deluged doesn't work there's your problem. Go see what it is. Does it give you useful errors? |
| 19:15.12 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Don't sweat it, you're not making beligerently stupid mistakes. We'll let you live. |
| 19:15.34 | dox | "bad interpreter, no such file or directory" |
| 19:15.40 | dox | but i just went into the file and it definitely exists |
| 19:15.44 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Mistakes are one of the best tools for learning linux. |
| 19:15.55 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Ok, what's the first line of the file? |
| 19:16.00 | dox | yeah thats why I came and asked instead of finding some script to do it all for me |
| 19:16.05 | dox | appreciate your help, 1 sec |
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| 19:16.22 | dox | #!/bin/sh |
| 19:16.35 | jhutchins_wk | dox: This was created by the package you installed? |
| 19:16.52 | jhutchins_wk | dox: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 19:16.55 | dox | no I made it while following this guide: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu |
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| 19:17.40 | dox | says /bin/sh -> dash, meaning hard/symbolic link? |
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| 19:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, and it should work. |
| 19:18.13 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Is there a chance this file has DOS line termination instead of unix? |
| 19:18.20 | dox | yeah, theres definitely that chance |
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| 19:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | dox: ie cut & pasted via windows? |
| 19:18.24 | dox | how do I change that to unix? |
| 19:18.39 | jhutchins_wk | dox: dos2unix, which you may need to install. |
| 19:18.52 | dox | ah ok |
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| 19:19.14 | dox | installing now ^_^ |
| 19:19.39 | jhutchins_wk | dox: The "bad interpreter" error means it's not understanding #!/bin/sh |
| 19:19.51 | dox | gotcha |
| 19:21.17 | jhutchins_wk | ... so I'm speculating it's looking for /bin/sh<somewierdcharacter> |
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| 19:21.40 | dox | you're the best man, appreciate you takin the time |
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| 19:21.49 | dox | mind if I ask what you do for a living? |
| 19:21.55 | dox | also, google fiber... very jealous |
| 19:21.58 | jhutchins_wk | This might also prevent the rc utilities from recognizing this as an init script. |
| 19:22.05 | jhutchins_wk | <GRIN> |
| 19:22.33 | jhutchins_wk | Old AMD with RTL8111 only gets ~500M down. Upload is 800+. |
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| 19:23.18 | dox | "only" |
| 19:23.32 | jhutchins_wk | I manage Linux servers for the U.S. Fed. Gov't. |
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| 19:25.56 | jhutchins_wk | dox: In practice I don't expect much more than I would get with a 5M line, it's limited by the ability of the remote servers and infrastructure. |
| 19:26.08 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: You have no more ideas ? |
| 19:26.16 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: For this timeout ? |
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| 19:27.04 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Like I said, power cycle the router and start checking out the google hits. |
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| 19:27.49 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: No port 22 on that system. |
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| 19:28.12 | dox | appreciate it jhutchins_wk - one random question that I have about debian vs ubuntu is I always get "not in sudoers file" when trying to do sudo command -- but I know that "su" then password makes you root for the rest of the session... but is there a way to add my user/myself to the sudoers file in debian or is that just not how it works? |
| 19:28.21 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: 554, 7070, and 8080 |
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| 19:28.37 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: You mean plug out of power the router and plug it in again ? |
| 19:28.51 | jhutchins_wk | dox: Add yourself to the sudoers group, log out, log backin. |
| 19:28.51 | qman__ | dox, you can use visudo to edit the sudoers file |
| 19:28.56 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Yes. |
| 19:29.02 | qman__ | but yeah, adding to a default group is less error prone |
| 19:29.07 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Those are open ports for 89.79.177.93 ? |
| 19:29.22 | Furai | Hey. |
| 19:29.23 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: I've done it before. No results. |
| 19:29.26 | Furai | Tough case here. |
| 19:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Yes, so 22 does not appear to be configured. |
| 19:29.42 | Furai | My older brother just update his machine to debian 7 from 6. |
| 19:29.56 | Furai | He had there a lot of websites hosted through plesk. |
| 19:30.03 | Furai | Basically from his company. |
| 19:30.13 | Furai | And plesk failed. |
| 19:30.21 | Furai | And now he's stuck. |
| 19:30.29 | qman__ | restore from backup |
| 19:30.56 | Furai | If he could do it I guess he would have done it ages ago. |
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| 19:31.14 | bejker | hi |
| 19:31.14 | qman__ | plesk does lots of nasty things like installing specific software versions outside the package manager |
| 19:31.27 | qman__ | using it at all is a risky proposition, upgrading a system with it is a terrible idea |
| 19:31.30 | jhutchins_wk | Furai: plesk is not part of debian. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net |
| 19:31.39 | bejker | someone have some solution how to configure sb live card to all speakers work? |
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| 19:32.03 | Furai | Ok, thanks. |
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| 19:32.29 | Furai | wow, huge traffic there... |
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| 19:33.10 | jhutchins_wk | !tell bejker about alsa checklist |
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| 19:35.39 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Basically I think you need to rip out whatver you've done to forward the port, power cycle, then set up the forwarding again, payin attention to the RealAudio stuff that's working. |
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| 19:36.06 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Another thing to try is to switch ports. Your ISP could be blocking 22 because of brute force attacks. |
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| 19:36.42 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: RealAudio ? |
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| 19:37.02 | mrbean | Hi, somebody told me Debian had removed a lot of libraries from the repos, to be more free as in software, is that true? |
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| 19:37.15 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: Whatever you're running on 554 and 8080. |
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| 19:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | mrbean: Not really. |
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| 19:38.22 | gbit | Hello, I have a Intel server that have two big fans, they got in High speed aways, so I'm trying to install fancontrol but I got a error when I run pwmconfig - There are no pwm-capable modules installed |
| 19:38.47 | mrbean | jhutchins_wk: ok then, no problem. Thank you. |
| 19:39.02 | jhutchins_wk | gbit: Check for a BIOS update and drivers from Intell. |
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| 19:41.43 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: If I do nmap from the inside of network on the "public ip" 89.79.177.93 |
| 19:41.54 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: I got : 22/tcp open ssh |
| 19:41.55 | bluesm_ | 161/tcp closed snmp |
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| 19:46.55 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm_: We know it works from the inside. It's closed or filtered from the outside. All previous advice still vlaid. |
| 19:47.17 | nielsle | Is this a good time to upgrade from jessie to sid? (I was burned my perl a few months ago) |
| 19:47.54 | nielsle | -> was burne by perl |
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| 19:51.20 | jhutchins_wk | nielsle: No. |
| 19:51.53 | petn-randall | It's never a good time to upgrade to sid :) |
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| 19:53.03 | Kyoko | Hi. I did "aptitude keep-all" by mistake. Now I do not see any packages in "autoremove" list. How can I undo and update the list with packages for autoremove? |
| 19:53.22 | Kyoko | apt-get update and apt-get check did not help for that |
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| 19:55.54 | nielsle | A month ago perlapi on sid conflicted with the kernel causing it to be unloaded on dist-upgrade. So that was a bad time to upgrade, but as far as I can see the perl transition is over. Are there any similar transitions in place. |
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| 19:56.21 | antithesis | If Debian removes binary blobs from the kernel anyway, why doesn't it just use linux-libre? |
| 19:56.22 | nielsle | "in place" -> "happening now" ? |
| 19:57.13 | mumpitzel | antithesis: use? it already uses linux |
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| 19:58.51 | riceandbeans | if I send a signed gpg email to someone and they take the signature block and attach it to any email of theirs and send an email, what will it say? |
| 19:58.57 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: Could nmap 89.79.177.93 ? If I forwarded port it should be open ? Or I have to open separately? |
| 19:59.09 | Solskogen | Hi! Is it possible to install straight to Sid - or do I need to install Debian stable first and then upgrade? |
| 19:59.15 | nielsle | Please give a proper answer. It is not kind to be rude. Is Sid in flux right now or is it as safe as it usually is. |
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| 20:00.09 | bejker | Solskogen: yes u can install straight sid |
| 20:00.10 | mumpitzel | sid is ALWAYS in flux. that's the point! |
| 20:00.20 | mumpitzel | if you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen nielsle |
| 20:00.43 | mumpitzel | Solskogen: not possible. and asking this means you shouldn't run it in the first place |
| 20:01.23 | riceandbeans | sid is in it's usual state |
| 20:01.23 | riceandbeans | sqlalchemy is borked :( |
| 20:01.27 | nielsle | I used Sid for 10 years, but last month my kernel was uninstalled duringa distupgrade resulting in data loss. People on this channel adviced me not to upgrade to Sid until the perl transition was over, |
| 20:01.30 | riceandbeans | mumpitzel: |
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| 20:01.32 | riceandbeans | if I send a signed gpg email to someone and they take the signature block and attach it to any email of theirs and send an email, what will it say? |
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| 20:02.04 | Solskogen | mumpitzel: I know what I doing, mind you. |
| 20:02.08 | petn-randall | riceandbeans: If they use gpg the signature check will fail. |
| 20:02.09 | riceandbeans | if you run sid, you should install bugs and list-changes to see what kind of crazy things will destroy your system with the next upgrade |
| 20:02.11 | mumpitzel | riceandbeans: how is this a debian support question? and it will fail. if it wouldn't fail, there wouldn't be any point in gpg |
| 20:02.18 | Solskogen | unless is is typing on the keyboard... |
| 20:02.21 | Solskogen | gah |
| 20:02.31 | Solskogen | unless it is typing on the keyboard.... |
| 20:02.36 | Solskogen | oh, the irony |
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| 20:02.52 | mumpitzel | Solskogen: if you did you wouldn't ask. you need to rethink what you type. seriously |
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| 20:03.10 | antithesis | mumpitzel I was talking about linux-libre, not linux. |
| 20:03.19 | mumpitzel | antithesis: why would debian do this? |
| 20:04.02 | antithesis | mumpitzel isn't the goal to provide a fully free OS? Isn't that why the binary blobs were moved to contrib? |
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| 20:04.19 | Kyoko | How to refresh/restore list of packages suitable for autoremove? :) |
| 20:05.10 | mumpitzel | antithesis: not contrib, and it is a DFSG conformant OS |
| 20:05.39 | nielsle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.41 | antithesis | mumpitzel then why does the GNU project say Debian has moved them to contrib? http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
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| 20:08.18 | Solskogen | bejker: Found it! PXE/tftpboot it is :-) |
| 20:08.35 | mumpitzel | cause the GNU folks have no clue about debian? |
| 20:08.36 | riceandbeans | can a debian pxe boot server install centos? |
| 20:08.45 | Solskogen | riceandbeans: sure |
| 20:08.57 | mumpitzel | riceandbeans: of course. a windows PXE boot server can let you boot centos or debian both |
| 20:09.22 | atari314 | Hello, I'm doing a wheezy debootstrap install but I want to remove a large list of packages. Does anyone know a way to --exclude= "list" ? or is there a better method to do it? |
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| 20:09.28 | riceandbeans | you guys worked with centos before? |
| 20:09.44 | Solskogen | atari314: You might want to look at debfoster/deborphan |
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| 20:10.04 | riceandbeans | I need to make a pxe boot server, people I work with will prefer centos, I'm not positive how to set up pxe and tftp and dhcp in debian or centos |
| 20:10.07 | atari314 | Solskogen, I will, ty |
| 20:10.15 | antithesis | mumpitzel but certainly they have a clue about linux. Are you saying that the kernel contains no such blobs? |
| 20:10.30 | riceandbeans | but I've worked on more of existing stuff in centos than debian |
| 20:10.33 | riceandbeans | if you've done any in centos, which would you say is simpler |
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| 20:10.59 | riceandbeans | antithesis: debian custom builds kernels without binary blobs |
| 20:11.15 | riceandbeans | antithesis: binary blobs are sold separately, in other pools, not main |
| 20:11.24 | riceandbeans | separate packages, segregated |
| 20:11.38 | riceandbeans | apt-cache search firmware |
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| 20:15.49 | antithesis | riceandbeans did Debian manually remove these blobs from the Linux kernel before distributing, or does Linux not contain these blobs in the first place? |
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| 20:25.04 | mumpitzel | removed |
| 20:25.30 | mumpitzel | the kernel as downloaded contains these blobs |
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| 20:29.49 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: I had wrong "External IP adress" |
| 20:30.03 | bluesm_ | jhutchins_wk: It should be 0.0.0.0 , not my actual external adress. |
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| 20:34.20 | antithesis | mumpitzel so my question is: why does Debian make an extra effort of removing these blobs, when the Linux-libre project has done that for them already? |
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| 20:34.40 | antithesis | Isn't it wasted effort when they both do the same thing separately? |
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| 20:36.00 | daemonkeeper | antithesis: No, it's not. |
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| 20:36.41 | daemonkeeper | Linux libre is a stupid approach to _prevent_ using blobs. Debian splits them out and still allows you to use them if you need them _by your own choice_. |
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| 20:36.57 | daemonkeeper | Linux libre just cripples firmware blob loaders. |
| 20:37.01 | mumpitzel | antithesis: why is debian releasing a distro when fedora has doen that for them already? |
| 20:37.31 | antithesis | daemonkeeper But you can add the blobs in another repository just like you are doing now, no? |
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| 20:37.54 | daemonkeeper | antithesis: You can do with Debian. Linux libre replaces the actual function calls doing in the kernel by no-op stubs. |
| 20:37.56 | brontosaurusrex | mumpitzel, why? |
| 20:38.13 | nrubsig | Can anyone point me to a package "debian/rules" file which shows how to install shared libraries ? |
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| 20:38.49 | daemonkeeper | antithesis: Thus, it _prevents_ you to use any blob, and _forces_ you into freeness. Debian allows you, if you want, but still letting you to get blobs if you want them. |
| 20:39.25 | somiaj | nrubsig: what do you mean? Are you wanting the debian policy of how to split a package into its binaries and shared libary packages? |
| 20:39.35 | nrubsig | no |
| 20:39.36 | somiaj | nrubsig: have you read the debian new matainers guide. |
| 20:40.01 | daemonkeeper | Don't package libraries unless you know exactly what you do. |
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| 20:40.22 | daemonkeeper | Libraries are the most complex and difficult packages if you want to do it properly. |
| 20:40.42 | nrubsig | somiaj: yes, but please *no* pointers to more documentation anymore. It's crawling out of my ears right now or whatever is the right figure of speech. |
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| 20:41.01 | somiaj | nrubsig: well what is it you are trying to do? What are you making a package for? |
| 20:41.20 | somiaj | and yes libary packages are difficult, hence why my custom wine is a single package as opposed to debians are multiple (: |
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| 20:41.59 | nrubsig | somiaj: ksh93, and I want to do it the same way as we (at Sun) did it for ksh93 - which means we should ship libast (utilitiy library), libcmd (POSIX builtins) and libshell (shell core) |
| 20:42.36 | nrubsig | somiaj: a simple example would do it... for now. I'm happy to make more improvements and accept more pain after that. |
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| 20:44.07 | nrubsig | basically I hope for a damn simple rule in debian/rules like INSTALL_PROGRAM for now |
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| 20:44.21 | somiaj | so you don't like the way the debian matianer packages ksh, and want to make your own custom version splitting some of the libs out? That is a bit out of my experience, so if you don't want documentation maybe you should ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:44.36 | nrubsig | sigh |
| 20:45.15 | nrubsig | basically I'm doing the base work for Olga Kryzhanoiska (who is down with scarlet fever right now) to take over the ksh package and fix all the damn bugs in one mightly go. |
| 20:45.25 | nrubsig | there is so much wrong with the package that it hurts |
| 20:45.39 | nrubsig | s/Kryzhanoiska/Kryzhanovska/ |
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| 20:50.48 | somiaj | Others here may have help, but really sounds like #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be the best place to ask this question. Though the current ksh package seems to be matained by Oliver Kiddle, but it appears to be mostly an orphaned package. |
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| 20:51.24 | socomm | Why are debian support channels split between networks? |
| 20:51.40 | somiaj | socomm: irc.oftc.net is the offical debian irc network (they split off from freenode years ago) |
| 20:51.46 | ompaul | socomm: as a social experiment to see how many people ask that question ;-) |
| 20:52.08 | socomm | somiaj: shouldn't this be ##debian? |
| 20:52.24 | somiaj | socomm: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
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| 20:53.09 | somiaj | socomm: no because this channel still has offical debian people controlling it. Though the subchannels all moved to the network, this one has stayed on freenode |
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| 20:54.33 | socomm | somiaj: interesting |
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| 21:04.22 | nrubsig | Where can I find the Makefile source for the "dh_installdirs" used by "debian/rules" ? |
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| 21:08.56 | mads- | I know there exists a script for ubuntu which downloads and install the newest version of java - is there something similar for Debian? :) |
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| 21:09.31 | bejker | jdk -update ? |
| 21:09.54 | mads- | I don't know - I'm new to Debian |
| 21:10.03 | Vasistha | I would like to change the partition label on my external backup drive. Is this relatively safe to do with e.g. parted or gparted or partitionmanager? |
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| 21:11.52 | deepy | I'm going to give a friend a user on one of my servers, is there any neat way to change all permissions on my folders so he cannot access them :-)? |
| 21:11.53 | cybernova | Vasistha, use the command tune2fs -L "newLabel" device |
| 21:12.07 | deepy | I Seem to have the last r set on everything |
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| 21:12.28 | Vasistha | cybernova: thank you! that is much better than useing parted. Do you know if it's possible to label a fat32 volume in a similar way? |
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| 21:13.12 | bejker | mads-: http://www.wikihow.com/Upgrade-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux |
| 21:13.16 | bejker | maby thise help u |
| 21:13.30 | deepy | I want to remove world readable |
| 21:14.04 | Spec | deepy: chmod o-rxw -R /home/deepy/ |
| 21:14.31 | deepy | oh, I forgot about that, thanks! |
| 21:14.48 | mads- | bejker, thanks |
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| 21:15.17 | bejker | deepy: but if i good remember user x cant do somethink on folders where owner is user y |
| 21:15.36 | cybernova | Vasistha, with a fat32 you have to install mtools and use it like this sudo mlabel -i /dev/sdaX ::Label |
| 21:15.46 | Vasistha | cybernova: great, thank you! |
| 21:16.03 | cybernova | Vasistha, you're welcome |
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| 21:19.46 | FaTony | hi, is there a way to boot Debian Live from UEFI? |
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| 21:25.04 | bejker | FaTony: yes |
| 21:25.10 | bejker | u need to change |
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| 21:25.35 | FaTony | bejker, hm? |
| 21:25.59 | bejker | in bootorder |
| 21:26.02 | bejker | nternal cd-dvd rom |
| 21:26.07 | bejker | to first place |
| 21:26.19 | bejker | use pgae up butoon |
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| 21:27.30 | FaTony | what does the boot order really changes? I don't see an option to use UEFI |
| 21:28.00 | FaTony | right now I'm talking from Debian Live which seems to have used old-style BIOS booting |
| 21:29.20 | bejker | sorry i realy dont know nothing about UEFI |
| 21:29.44 | bejker | i read how to change boot order on UEFI on google ;] |
| 21:29.57 | FaTony | I have an UEFI machine with Windows 7 and want to add Debian to it, I've partitioned the drive and Debian installed itself but it didn't change the contents of EFI system partition |
| 21:30.24 | bejker | hm.. |
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| 21:30.49 | FaTony | and now I read that I need to boot from UEFI to get efibootmgr working |
| 21:30.56 | FaTony | chicken and egg problem |
| 21:31.09 | bejker | when u press f9 |
| 21:31.23 | bejker | u have os boot manager |
| 21:31.31 | FaTony | f8 in my case |
| 21:31.34 | bejker | try add there debian |
| 21:32.20 | FaTony | add? |
| 21:32.46 | bejker | just line with UUID disk with debian? |
| 21:33.20 | bejker | i think os boot manager is working like grub |
| 21:33.28 | bejker | so there is some config file |
| 21:33.49 | FaTony | hmm F9 you say, ok I'll try, gonna reboot then |
| 21:34.24 | FaTony | I've read that the boot stuff is inside NVRAM |
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| 21:34.49 | bejker | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168904 |
| 21:34.53 | bejker | check thise |
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| 21:36.29 | nicexe | I booted from Debian 7.2 live CD to move/resize some partitions of my Debian installation. What should I do after modifying the partitions to be able to boot again? |
| 21:37.09 | FaTony | bejker, thanks, gonna reboot and try |
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| 21:37.19 | bejker | FaTony: good luck ;] |
| 21:38.05 | bejker | nicexe: fix all in fstab |
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| 21:38.17 | bejker | then boot |
| 21:38.41 | nicexe | bejker: just update fstab with the new UUIDs? |
| 21:38.56 | bejker | i think |
| 21:39.16 | bejker | that will be best option for you |
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| 21:40.23 | ghutzriop | Hi, I'm trying to use the virtualbox web server, but my authentication get refused every time, even tough I made sure the usename and password is correct. the logfile even shows a connection attemps, but nothing else happens. |
| 21:40.49 | jordanm | virtualbox web server? what authentication? |
| 21:41.13 | Ast001 | hello I can't install chromium on my bigglebone black which now has Debian on it. Is chromium available for arm architecture ? |
| 21:41.48 | ghutzriop | jordanm: the default authentication, ie VBoxManage setproperty websrvauthlibrary null |
| 21:42.02 | Ast001 | Abrowser/Firefox eats to many resourses from this little device. |
| 21:42.03 | ghutzriop | jordanm: uhm default... |
| 21:42.40 | ghutzriop | jordanm: but nothing happens either, when using no authentication |
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| 21:43.27 | Ast001 | 'unmet dependencies chromium-browser : Depends: chromium (>= 10) but it is not installable' |
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| 21:46.30 | kruug | I'm looking to customize my htaccess file in Debian, where would I find it? |
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| 21:49.35 | rypervenche | kruug: It would be wherever you want to configure it. You will have to create one if you want to have one. You will also need to be sure that you have the proper Override in your configuration file. |
| 21:51.00 | kruug | rypervenche: ah, so it's not pre-configured by default? |
| 21:51.29 | rypervenche | kruug: Not to use .htaccess files. That would be a security risk if you did not need/want them. |
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| 21:52.50 | ScottE | Ast001: I had the same problem on my arm chromebook running debian jessie. I unpacked the ubuntu .deb and just did a manual install from there. Worked, but it's a hack. |
| 21:52.51 | epsilon | kruug: google for 'htpasswd' |
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| 21:53.50 | kruug | epsilon: I'm not sure that's what I'm looking for |
| 21:54.06 | kruug | I found this page, and I'd like to incorporate some of the ideas: http://www.queness.com/post/5421/17-useful-htaccess-tricks-and-tips |
| 21:54.14 | Ast001 | ok I will try that. It says it depends on chromium and chromium he can't install and that is checkmate. |
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| 21:54.37 | Ast001 | I will try with ubuntu package |
| 21:55.03 | epsilon | kruug: you want just password protecton or customize settings for a dir? |
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| 21:55.28 | ScottE | Ast001: yeah, something not right there. I had a problem with directly installing the ubuntu package, so that's why I unpacked it and did the manual install (i.e. copied in /usr/bin/chromium-browser and /usr/lib/chromium-browser or whatever) |
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| 21:56.08 | kruug | epsilon: found this page, and I'd like to incorporate some of the ideas: http://www.queness.com/post/5421/17-useful-htaccess-tricks-and-tips |
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| 21:57.18 | Ast001 | ok thanks i will try to do the same. For tonight it's enough to get rid of Angrstom and install Wheezy on bone black. |
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| 22:01.04 | epsilon | kruug: these are *usualy* settings done on server config, not in htaccess |
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| 22:08.18 | bullgard4 | , v aplay |
| 22:08.19 | judd | No package named 'aplay' was found in i386. |
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| 22:08.56 | quinso | Is it possible not to use pulseaudio on debian? |
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| 22:10.40 | mtn | quinso: sure, if you aren't using gnome, you can set things up without pulse. kde doesn't pull it in for instance. |
| 22:11.43 | well_laid_lawn | bullgard4: aplay will be in alsa-utils or similar |
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| 22:16.49 | bullgard4 | well_laid_lawn: Thank you for being helpful. But my problem is rather to find out what soundfile is installed on most Debian systems that aplay can play. |
| 22:16.50 | xhoch4 | hello =) |
| 22:16.57 | xhoch4 | can someone help me fixing broken packages? |
| 22:17.03 | xhoch4 | in Wheezy |
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| 22:17.46 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: Please be more specific: what broken packages? What circumstances? |
| 22:18.15 | xhoch4 | ok, I have installed Debian Wheezy on a thin client with 512 MB of disk spave |
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| 22:18.19 | xhoch4 | space* |
| 22:18.24 | xhoch4 | it is a fresh install |
| 22:18.54 | xhoch4 | because the debian installer itself would fail, I decided to go in expert install and install the base system first |
| 22:19.16 | bullgard4 | What error message do you obtain? |
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| 22:19.27 | xhoch4 | then I booted into the system, set up my network devices and added entries to /etc/apt/spurces.list |
| 22:19.37 | xhoch4 | I said there was not enough disk space left |
| 22:19.53 | xhoch4 | which is understandable, because I only have a 512 MB disk |
| 22:20.00 | xhoch4 | It said* |
| 22:20.37 | xhoch4 | after doing a base install, it was only about 300 MB in disk size |
| 22:20.52 | bullgard4 | Please nopaste the output of '~$ df -h' |
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| 22:21.46 | xhoch4 | here we go: http://nopaste.info/733fad512e.html |
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| 22:22.19 | xhoch4 | I have 1 Gig of RAM and no swap |
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| 22:23.50 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, can I go on? |
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| 22:23.59 | syeekick | http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Building_OpenBSC |
| 22:24.03 | syeekick | anyone done that? |
| 22:24.51 | xhoch4 | this is my sources.list: http://nopaste.info/71ba214702.html |
| 22:25.25 | xhoch4 | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade all run fine |
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| 22:25.43 | RayzrShrp | any linode users in the house? |
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| 22:26.19 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: yep |
| 22:26.44 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: do you know if I can set a special reverse dns only for irc? |
| 22:26.50 | xhoch4 | this is what happens when I do: apt-get install apache2: http://nopaste.info/492185605a.html |
| 22:26.52 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: I do not know why tmpfs on /run/lock and /run/shm is full! |
| 22:26.54 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: I don't want the world knowing my domain |
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| 22:27.19 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: No, you can have only a single rdbs entry .. but that's a domain issue, not a linode one. |
| 22:27.26 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, huh? |
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| 22:27.36 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, they are completely free |
| 22:27.47 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: You could ask for a usercloak for freenode |
| 22:27.56 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: i know but not really sure where to ask. My reverse dns has to be right or my email server doesnt always work |
| 22:27.58 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: that hides your IP when you're authenticated |
| 22:28.11 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: I am an idiot! Pleas forget what I wrote. |
| 22:28.12 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: i need it for dalnet |
| 22:28.13 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: You'd ask an op in #freenode. |
| 22:28.24 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: Does dalnet support ipv6? |
| 22:28.34 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: i have no idea |
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| 22:29.12 | cafuego | Might be worth finding out. You can add ipv6 to your lindeoe asily enough, then use one of the millions of new IPs to irc ;-) |
| 22:30.05 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: i suppose i could get another ip from linode for $1 a month and then have a seperate rev ptr to that maybe |
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| 22:30.22 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: That works too. Mind you, dalnet does do ipv6. |
| 22:30.32 | cafuego | http://www.dal.net/news/shownews.php?id=122 |
| 22:30.52 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: although how would i specify what ip to connect with |
| 22:31.01 | cafuego | RayzrShrp: depends on the client |
| 22:31.22 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: can i pm you so the channel doesn't get pissed |
| 22:31.26 | cafuego | irssi has a --hostname= option to specify the local ip. |
| 22:31.31 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: wanted to pick your brain |
| 22:31.36 | RayzrShrp | cafuego: that never seems to work |
| 22:32.34 | Shinobi | Thinking about upgrading to Wheezy tonight. How is it these days? I was going to do it about 6mo ago, but based on what I had heard here it had it's quirks and I wasn't in a rush. |
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| 22:33.24 | RayzrShrp | Shinobi: wheezy is awesome in my opinion |
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| 22:33.57 | Shinobi | RayzrShrp: Any gotchas I have to look out for when I upgrade? |
| 22:34.15 | Shinobi | Any regressions? |
| 22:34.39 | RayzrShrp | Shinobi: you are talking out of my level of expertise |
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| 22:34.53 | RayzrShrp | Shinobi: i did a clean install to a vmware machine |
| 22:35.15 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: You could try instead of "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian stable main contrib" " deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib". |
| 22:35.41 | Shinobi | No I just meant is there anything that I'm used to in Squeeze that's going to change in Wheezy... or is it just a good upgrade with most of the bugs worked out. |
| 22:35.55 | Shinobi | RayzrShrp ^ |
| 22:35.58 | mtn | Shinobi: gnome is going to change big time |
| 22:36.14 | Shinobi | mtn: can I fallback to 2? |
| 22:36.27 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, ok, let me try that |
| 22:36.28 | mtn | Shinobi: gnome2? no, it is gone |
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| 22:37.28 | Shinobi | mtn: I have Wheezy in a vm, but it didn't recognize the hardware acceleration and seems to be defaulted to 2... or something that looks like 2. |
| 22:37.56 | mtn | Shinobi: ah, yes, that is fallback mode in gnome3 |
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| 22:39.00 | Shinobi | I'm happy with that. I did like some of the things in gnome 2, but the auto maximize if I put the window up top was a bit too much. I like the max button. If I put a window near the top of the screen, that's where I want it.... |
| 22:39.21 | Shinobi | The autodoc to the sides is nice... sometimes... |
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| 22:40.17 | Shinobi | Can I choose to fall back to 2, or is it only if it doesn't detect video hardware acceleration? |
| 22:41.06 | bullgard4 | Shinobi: You can choose as well. |
| 22:41.09 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, unfortunately, did not help :( |
| 22:41.21 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: Sorry. |
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| 22:42.13 | fleeky | hi im running squeeze on my server, currently remotely loggin into it and need to upgrade apache to atleast 2.2.4 , what would be the best way to do this ? |
| 22:42.15 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, it's not a problem, I am happy for any possible solution. Just don't want to do set it up all over again |
| 22:42.41 | fleeky | mostly looking to make sure i have proxy_wstunnel mod loaded by default |
| 22:43.14 | fleeky | i tried just patching apache with a backport of a backport , and then moved the proxy_wstunnel over to my current apache2 install and no dice |
| 22:43.23 | fleeky | so i figure i just need to upgrade the whole thing |
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| 22:45.16 | frikinz | dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 22:45.17 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
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| 22:45.53 | fleeky | dpkg <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 22:45.54 | dpkg | fleeky: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:45.58 | fleeky | dpkg <squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 22:45.58 | dpkg | fleeky: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:46.01 | fleeky | hrm |
| 22:46.09 | fleeky | apparently i dont know how to use the bot |
| 22:46.32 | frikinz | next attempt might be the good one ;) |
| 22:46.38 | fleeky | doing a distupgrade is not going to happen |
| 22:46.53 | fleeky | the server is in sf , im in germany .. if something goes wrong.. it would be bad |
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| 22:47.26 | fleeky | dpkg <squeeze->wheezy failures> |
| 22:47.27 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, fleeky |
| 22:47.29 | fleeky | meh |
| 22:47.35 | mtn | fleeky: if you want to talk to the bot, type: /msg dpkg whateveryouwant |
| 22:47.43 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: I am not knowledgeable enough about thin clients. |
| 22:47.44 | fleeky | im bad at guessing my brain is too foggy from recursive knowledge dep hell |
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| 22:48.08 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, well, actually it does not to seem to be a problem with the hardware |
| 22:48.43 | xhoch4 | but rather a Debian specific problem. Maybe you have an advice how to fix the apt-get install apache2 thing? |
| 22:48.53 | xhoch4 | this is what I really need to have |
| 22:49.31 | fleeky | mtn : more just curious if anyone has tips on upgrading apache2 from src when you have a highly configured apache2 instance thats been running for a while |
| 22:49.53 | mtn | fleeky: I see, well I don't have any idea ;) |
| 22:50.02 | fleeky | np :) |
| 22:50.10 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: My impression is that your problem is more basic and I would not try installing apache2 before having installed a working basic operating system. |
| 22:50.31 | cafuego | fleeky: From src with 'make install' or did you do something sensible like editing debian/rules and make your own versioned package? |
| 22:50.53 | xhoch4 | bullgard4, so I have to install Ubuntu? ;) |
| 22:50.56 | fleeky | i suppose i could try to make my own deb package |
| 22:51.09 | cafuego | fleeky: That's really what you should do; it's trivially easy. |
| 22:51.19 | fleeky | basically i am running squeeze and the version of apache2 on that is too old now |
| 22:51.25 | fleeky | so i need to upgrade it passed whats on squeeze |
| 22:51.29 | cafuego | fleeky: apt-get source apache2; edit debian/rules to chaneg the configure options, change debian/changelog for the version .. bake. |
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| 22:51.50 | frikinz | if it's easy I wonder why there is no backport |
| 22:51.52 | fleeky | what do you mean by edit debian/rules ? |
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| 22:52.01 | cafuego | Just remember to either set the pkg to hold OR to increment the generation. |
| 22:52.04 | bullgard4 | xhoch4: Rather not. It may help in the short run because Ubuntu usually is better pre-configured. |
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| 22:52.13 | cafuego | fleeky: edit debian/rules with a text editor in the package source. |
| 22:52.36 | fleeky | well ill go research how to make a proper deb package |
| 22:52.46 | cafuego | It controls how apache is built, which since you have a source install is what you wanted to control. |
| 22:53.00 | fleeky | ok |
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| 22:57.55 | RayzrShrp | [/quit |
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| 23:09.31 | slooth | Hello. I am using jessie. I've installed bumblebee-nvidia from repos, but it doesn't work. I got the weirdest error: primus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: [XORG] (EE) Unable to locate/open config directory: "/etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.d". But.. the directory exists |
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| 23:12.31 | MrFrood | !debian-next |
| 23:12.31 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 23:13.15 | Jayro | Hey, i am trying to configure postfix, but my issue that postfix is not writing logs to anywhere |
| 23:13.21 | Jayro | can anyone help me troubleshoot this |
| 23:13.54 | Jayro | http://pastebin.com/cmzZrakE |
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| 23:14.08 | Jayro | theres my syslogd conf entries related to mail |
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| 23:15.35 | ghutzriop | So, the problem is: eth0 and eth1 have disappeared, and the new interfaces were automatically called eth2 and eth3, how can I make sure they are named correctly? |
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| 23:18.39 | reavengrey | In approx 6 more months a better kernel will be available |
| 23:18.48 | reavengrey | and you won't have to worry anymore |
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| 23:22.21 | doebi | i cant seem to install kolab using the debian package repo |
| 23:22.25 | doebi | http://pastebin.com/GfsGSCKQ |
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| 23:23.22 | nkuttler | ghutzriop: that's a udev thing, or maybe use ifrename |
| 23:23.52 | nkuttler | doebi: are you using stable? |
| 23:23.59 | mtn | doebi: where are you trying to get it from? it doesn't appear to be in wheezy |
| 23:24.06 | nkuttler | ,v kolab |
| 23:24.07 | judd | No package named 'kolab' was found in i386. |
| 23:24.13 | nkuttler | not even in debian |
| 23:24.21 | mtn | well no wonder then |
| 23:24.32 | nkuttler | doebi: ask the channel for your operating system |
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| 23:25.05 | ghutzriop | nkuttler: thanks, I was just too lazy to google for a few minutes, just solved the problem in the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file, thanks |
| 23:25.38 | doebi | nkuttler: yes |
| 23:25.45 | nkuttler | ghutzriop: great |
| 23:25.48 | doebi | mtn: deb http://mirror.kolabsys.com/pub/debian/kolab-3.0/ wheezy release updates |
| 23:25.51 | doebi | deb-src http://mirror.kolabsys.com/pub/debian/kolab-3.0/ wheezy release updates |
| 23:25.56 | doebi | nkuttler: i did, noone replied |
| 23:26.04 | fishsponge | hello! I need some help... my debian OS runs on a RAID 1 and "sda" has died, so I have replaced it with a new drive. Debian won't boot... i'm just stuck at the BIOS with it trying to boot from network... I guess it's not booting from the second disk... |
| 23:26.11 | fishsponge | anyone help?? |
| 23:26.21 | mtn | doebi: this channel only supports debian |
| 23:26.25 | nkuttler | doebi: #debian doesn't support third party repos or other distributions |
| 23:26.28 | doebi | and i thought its an apt-get specific thing |
| 23:26.37 | nkuttler | doebi: no, it's not |
| 23:26.41 | doebi | kk, sry then |
| 23:26.45 | nkuttler | doebi: it's a problem with your repositories |
| 23:26.48 | mtn | doebi: no, it is messed up repos |
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| 23:27.15 | mrpl | I get this annoying dialogue everytime I open xscreensaver... The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0' Launch it now ? |
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| 23:27.50 | nkuttler | mrpl: how do you open xscreensaver? |
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| 23:28.04 | mrpl | icon on panel usually |
| 23:28.12 | nkuttler | iirc you want to start it when your x sesion starts |
| 23:29.04 | mrpl | hmmm ho do I enable that in the lxde environment ? |
| 23:29.16 | fishsponge | i've just told the BIOS to boot from the second drive... but how do I install grub onto the first drive again? |
| 23:29.53 | mtn | fishsponge: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 23:30.17 | fishsponge | mtn: is that all I have to do? |
| 23:30.34 | mtn | fishsponge: if all you wan to do is what you said, yes |
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| 23:31.01 | fishsponge | well I know how to re-RAID it with the mdadm commands... but I guess that's all I have to do to re-install grub onto sda? |
| 23:31.20 | mtn | fishsponge: I don't know anything about raid |
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| 23:32.56 | fishsponge | mtn: OK... so basically that's how to install grub completely... |
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| 23:49.20 | ajoox | Hello |
| 23:49.22 | ajoox | I need some help |
| 23:49.45 | ajoox | I tried installing wee chat |
| 23:49.46 | dvs | take 2 pills |
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| 23:49.53 | ajoox | And it wouldn install |
| 23:50.00 | ajoox | Now, whenver I try to install something |
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| 23:50.08 | ajoox | It says I have broken dependencies |
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| 23:50.13 | ajoox | So I apt-get install -f |
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| 23:50.26 | ajoox | but that doesnt work, if I try to install those it fails |
| 23:50.27 | dvs | !enter |
| 23:50.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 23:50.42 | ajoox | how do I remove those? |
| 23:50.52 | ajoox | dvs, You are correct my bad |
| 23:51.05 | EmleyMoor | What are "those" exactly? pastebin the output... |
| 23:51.07 | EmleyMoor | !pb |
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| 23:51.17 | ajoox | One second |
| 23:51.18 | EmleyMoor | !pastebin |
| 23:51.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:52.12 | ajoox | http://paste.debian.net/63427/ |
| 23:53.06 | EmleyMoor | Try dpkg -P weechat weechat-doc weechat-core |
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| 23:54.01 | ajoox | It did this for all 3:dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove weechat which isn't installed |
| 23:54.13 | EmleyMoor | (and maybe weechat-devel-core) |
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| 23:54.38 | ajoox | That just removed something. Thank you |
| 23:54.41 | EmleyMoor | OK, try doing whatever it is you want now... |
| 23:55.05 | ajoox | :| |
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| 23:55.22 | ajoox | One second, it is running something. Thank you for the help so far EmleyMoor |
| 23:56.02 | ajoox | Ok, it was able to install weechat, thank you very much. What exactly did the dpkg command do? |
| 23:56.29 | EmleyMoor | Removed those packages, including config, so that the way was clear to try again. |
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| 23:57.23 | ajoox | Great, thanks again. One last question. When I install sometihing withe the gdebi package installer, and use the gui. how can I install missing dependencies? |
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| 23:58.48 | EmleyMoor | ajoox: "missing" means the package manager doesn't know about them. Check that your sources.list is correct, and remember to "update". I don't know gdebi, but it should be easy enough. |
| 23:59.09 | ajoox | Thanks! |