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| 00:00.41 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
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| 00:08.32 | brilliant_ | ShapeShifter499: when you shaping again : D |
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| 00:14.47 | luky | hello iam getting the message: Neither the ip_conntrack_netlink nor nf_conntrack_netlink kernel |
| 00:14.55 | musca | ShapeShifter499: it's a series of 11 DVD images, 1,2,3 are available via http, the others via jigdo |
| 00:15.00 | luky | how can i include it in the kernel? |
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| 00:15.50 | ShapeShifter499 | musca, whoa, so I have to have all 11 dvd images? |
| 00:15.54 | ShapeShifter499 | wtf? |
| 00:16.03 | musca | no! |
| 00:16.20 | ShapeShifter499 | musca, so what are the differences? |
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| 00:16.58 | jtreminio | Evening all. What's the proper way to detect the codename in debian 7.1a? I'm currently using this code: https://github.com/puphpet/puphpet/blob/master/src/Puphpet/MainBundle/Resources/views/manifest/shell/os-detect.sh |
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| 00:17.18 | jtreminio | this code works in all OS's I've tested so far, but 7.1a does not seem to have the proper values set? |
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| 00:17.31 | poffpoffpass | oi |
| 00:17.47 | musca | ShapeShifter499: netinst is the smallest image to get a full debian install. about 280 MB |
| 00:18.03 | poffpoffpass | How does one install the i386 version of libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in debian wheezy 64 |
| 00:18.37 | musca | !multiarch |
| 00:18.37 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 00:18.38 | poffpoffpass | I used apt-file and see the library is in libgtk-2.0-0 but there is no libgtk-2.0-0:i386 |
| 00:18.54 | ShapeShifter499 | musca, I would just download everything as I go when needed right? |
| 00:19.03 | ShapeShifter499 | with netinst |
| 00:19.31 | musca | ShapeShifter499: yes, and also ... |
| 00:19.31 | musca | !various cd1 |
| 00:19.31 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.2.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
| 00:20.49 | poffpoffpass | WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE! err ahhh thanks :) |
| 00:20.56 | luky | hello iam getting the message: Neither the ip_conntrack_netlink nor nf_conntrack_netlink kernel modules are loaded. can u tell me how i can include them into my kernel? |
| 00:21.04 | musca | ShapeShifter499: which desktop environment do you plan to install? |
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| 00:21.30 | ShapeShifter499 | musca, in that case I'll probably download gnome |
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| 00:23.28 | musca | ShapeShifter499: and dont fetch a "weekly build", they are not guaranteed to be useable at all. |
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| 00:29.15 | ShapeShifter499 | musca, alright thank you for the help, downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 00:29.46 | musca | ShapeShifter499: perfect choice :) |
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| 00:32.41 | musca | ShapeShifter499: be aware: some wired network devices and almost all wireless need additional firmware |
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| 00:38.05 | Jarus | Is it possible to set a LSB start-requirement "requires-dns"? |
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| 00:41.43 | Jarus | daemonkeeper, thank you |
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| 00:45.23 | honestly | I want dovecot 2.2 in wheezy. It seems there is no way to get a stable version of dovecot 2.2 either from backports or from dovecot itself for wheezy :| |
| 00:45.42 | grimeton | honestly, i'd say that's because of the dependencies |
| 00:45.48 | honestly | damn |
| 00:45.58 | grimeton | honestly: get the sauce packages and built it your own |
| 00:46.47 | honestly | grimeton: build a .deb and then dpkg -i it? |
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| 00:46.53 | grimeton | honestly: yeah |
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| 00:53.40 | honestly | grimeton: you don't happen to know anything about dovecot,do you? |
| 00:54.11 | grimeton | honestly: nope |
| 00:54.16 | honestly | ok |
| 00:54.46 | yefimitch | I installed Debian 7.2 with d-i using the guided partitioning scheme that allowed for dmcrypt and lvm. The only things I changed from the standard layout was I changed /boot from ext2 to ext4. It looked from the config screen to be doing some EUFI or whatever install. It wont boot. It left a few unused megabytes at the beginning and end of the disk for some reason. |
| 00:55.08 | yefimitch | I am able to boot Knoppix from a live-cd if I set the boot mode to Legacy. This does not work for the on-disk Debian install. |
| 00:55.22 | yefimitch | This is all on a T430. Right now I am on the Knoppix live-cd. |
| 00:55.34 | grimeton | yefimitch: eeer the efi partition should be fat32 |
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| 00:55.47 | yefimitch | i uh |
| 00:55.52 | grimeton | and depending on what the bootloader can or can't handle, ext2 would have been the better choice |
| 00:56.07 | yefimitch | I haven't done anything with computers in a few years. I don't know much about EFI or that it has a partition... |
| 00:56.13 | syee | Ryperveneche pm me the adress of your mumnble |
| 00:56.17 | yefimitch | Since I have things in dmcrypt and lvm containers, will it be inside those? |
| 00:56.41 | grimeton | yefimitch: no, the bios looks for a GPT partition that has the ID EF02 and then tries to boot from that |
| 00:56.48 | grimeton | yefimitch: so it should be in fat32 |
| 00:56.50 | yefimitch | grimeton: Okay. So the EFI partition should be FAT32, which loads /boot formatted with EXT2? |
| 00:57.21 | grimeton | yefimitch: and then the bootloader wants to mount the boot partition that you specified and uses its plugins and if those plugins can only do ext2 and see ext4 - even if we all know it's not a big deal - it won't boot |
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| 00:57.28 | yefimitch | grimeton: I don't remember doing anything with an EFI partition. |
| 00:58.00 | yefimitch | I guess I will try to remember the various disk commands and take a look. |
| 00:58.09 | grimeton | you said the config screen shot an efi boot setup? |
| 00:58.13 | grimeton | s/shot/showed/ |
| 00:58.48 | yefimitch | I don't know exactly, but I remember seeing something like that. It was a mess of new stuff I don't know about mixed with lvm and dmcrypt. |
| 00:58.51 | yefimitch | So probably |
| 00:58.59 | yefimitch | how do I list available disks to mount? |
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| 00:59.56 | grimeton | yefimitch: i'm not going through the whole thing by hand with you now - you should reinstall the thing and don't touch the partition table |
| 01:00.30 | yefimitch | Can't I just copy out the contents of the EFI partition and reformat it as FAT32, then copy them back in |
| 01:00.39 | grimeton | and if it's really an efi setup check that the ef02 partition is there before the install |
| 01:00.45 | grimeton | yefimitch: don't think so |
| 01:01.03 | yefimitch | well for now I'd just like to see what the disk looks like |
| 01:01.12 | grimeton | try gdisk |
| 01:01.20 | yefimitch | Cool! |
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| 01:01.59 | yefimitch | well I guess the MBR is protective and the GPT is present |
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| 01:02.56 | yefimitch | Okay, there are two partitions at the start. One 487 MiB and one 244.0 MiB, each EF00. |
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| 01:03.10 | grimeton | yeah those are the efi partition(s) ... |
| 01:03.15 | yefimitch | First usable sector is 34, with 4077 free sectors |
| 01:04.32 | yefimitch | I can change a partition's type code, and I can back up the GPT data to a file |
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| 01:05.51 | yefimitch | oh, there is that parted tool |
| 01:06.16 | honestly | what's the convention for creating a deb? "make debpkg"? |
| 01:06.33 | grimeton | honestly: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 01:06.43 | grimeton | honestly: before you start asking: google for it, read about it |
| 01:06.55 | yefimitch | grimeton: I have a feeling you want to distance yourself from my problem. I am not asking you to hold my hand but to tell me how reasonable you think it is that I can repair this from a live-cd. |
| 01:06.59 | grimeton | it's way more than just running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 01:07.25 | grimeton | yefimitch: as you don't have any knowledge i don't see how you will be able todo this without getting your hand held |
| 01:07.42 | grimeton | yefimitch: first thing that makes me wonder are the two efi partitions ... |
| 01:07.54 | grimeton | yefimitch: i don't know what you did there but i'm pretty sure you screwed it |
| 01:08.08 | yefimitch | It was a guided install! I only changed /dev/sda2(/boot) to ext4 |
| 01:08.22 | grimeton | yefimitch: what does file -s /dev/sda1 show? |
| 01:08.30 | yefimitch | I see now: /dev/sd1 is fat23 with ~480MB and 1.10MiB used. |
| 01:08.33 | yefimitch | Both have boot flags |
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| 01:09.08 | yefimitch | /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector |
| 01:09.11 | yefimitch | grimeton: ^ |
| 01:09.15 | grimeton | and file -s /dev/sda2 |
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| 01:09.33 | yefimitch | ahem, a bit longer |
| 01:09.47 | yefimitch | file -s /dev/sda2 |
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| 01:09.50 | yefimitch | /dev/sda2: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, |
| 01:09.54 | yefimitch | UUID=something something |
| 01:09.56 | TheReverend403 | wat |
| 01:09.58 | yefimitch | volume name "boot" (extents) (huge files) |
| 01:09.59 | TheReverend403 | oh |
| 01:10.01 | TheReverend403 | rev ping |
| 01:10.02 | yefimitch | Sorry for the spam! |
| 01:10.03 | TheReverend403 | nm |
| 01:10.15 | grimeton | yefimitch: what you can try, but there is no guarantee it will work: |
| 01:10.28 | grimeton | copy stuff from /dev/sda2 to some safe place, then reformat /dev/sda2 with ext2 and copy that stuff back |
| 01:10.31 | grimeton | then reboot |
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| 01:10.52 | yefimitch | I need to copy it with the file properties intact, should I use tar/cpio or does cp have some options for that |
| 01:11.04 | grimeton | yefimitch: tarball it |
| 01:11.21 | yefimitch | okay |
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| 01:17.20 | yefimitch | grimeton: any other options besides, say "tar cvf /mnt/sda2 ./sda2.tar"? |
| 01:17.50 | grimeton | tar cvfpP |
| 01:17.57 | klys | .yt natural blues moby |
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| 01:18.16 | yefimitch | what about -s |
| 01:18.25 | klys | er, nobody look. my mistake |
| 01:18.39 | grimeton | yefimitch: if it makes you happy |
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| 01:20.44 | drasko_ | HI all, I have no more sound after upgrade to kernel 3.10 |
| 01:20.48 | drasko_ | where to look? |
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| 01:23.35 | yefimitch | grimeton: now I am going to use cfdisk to make ext2 on sda2 |
| 01:23.51 | yefimitch | damn, cfdisk doesn't work |
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| 01:24.22 | grimeton | yefimitch: what to use fdisk for? just run newfs |
| 01:24.27 | grimeton | eeer mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda2 |
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| 01:24.33 | grimeton | but unmount /dev/sda2 before you do that |
| 01:24.44 | yefimitch | Of course |
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| 01:25.31 | yefimitch | But I don't know how to set the boot flag without an interface liked gparted/cfdisk |
| 01:25.40 | yefimitch | done |
| 01:26.01 | drasko_ | HI all, I have no more sound after upgrade to kernel 3.10 |
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| 01:26.21 | grimeton | yefimitch: there is no need for a boot flag |
| 01:26.33 | grimeton | yefimitch: and there is no need to change the partition at all |
| 01:26.37 | yefimitch | grimeton: should I turn off the boot flag on sda2? Because it still has it |
| 01:26.53 | grimeton | yefimitch: messing with partitions brought you here - stop doing that |
| 01:27.24 | yefimitch | grimeton: Ok. |
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| 01:28.38 | yefimitch | tar xvf /mnt/mmc/sda2.tar -C /mnt/sda2 |
| 01:28.40 | yefimitch | Here I go! |
| 01:28.58 | yefimitch | Done. |
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| 01:30.25 | yefimitch | grimeton: Well I guess I should restart, right? If it works I will come here and tell you. If It doesn't then I will come here and tell you it did not. I wont say anything more than that, and I wont bother you about it anymore afterwards. |
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| 01:32.29 | yefimitch | Okay. |
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| 01:33.49 | grimeton | ok |
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| 02:16.12 | dox | is there a way to check audio quality over debian ssh? |
| 02:17.19 | grimeton | dox: eeh wot? |
| 02:17.38 | dox | i want to see the bitrate of a .m4b file |
| 02:17.45 | grimeton | dox: try the file command |
| 02:17.59 | grimeton | dox: if that doesn't help, use $utility that can handle .m4b |
| 02:18.11 | grimeton | i wonder what that is, but looks like mpeg, so ffmpeg should be a good start |
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| 02:22.06 | dox | fucking m4b |
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| 02:22.53 | rmdashrf | dox: use mediainfo |
| 02:23.06 | dox | mediainfo and file etc dont work with m4b i guess |
| 02:24.08 | grimeton | dox: what does file give you? data? |
| 02:24.21 | dox | mediainfo outputs nothing |
| 02:25.07 | rmdashrf | ffprobe? |
| 02:25.48 | dox | success, thanks rmdashrf |
| 02:26.11 | grimeton | brew update |
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| 02:30.15 | dox | hmm do you have any idea what the kbps is from this? http://d.pr/i/BfhQ/4kmAQz5h |
| 02:31.34 | rmdashrf | looks like 66 kbps aac no? |
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| 02:33.10 | dox | oh wow I'm blind, I should stop staring at the screen |
| 02:33.10 | dox | thanks :D |
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| 02:57.52 | jaami | dpkg does not show current updated information on node.js |
| 02:57.52 | dpkg | jaami: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:58.06 | jaami | oops |
| 02:58.26 | jaami | the bot dpkg does not show current updated information on node.js |
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| 02:59.21 | FailDrain | Finally on debian now wtf is wrong with the ati drivers and monitor auto-detect it keeps saying something about the resolution not being set properly 2024 x 1024 resolution or something along those lines |
| 03:00.08 | FailDrain | I would like to have duel screens also |
| 03:00.32 | zykotick9 | FailDrain: sad truth, if you have ati, you probably want to have the non-free firmware. do you already have it installed? |
| 03:00.50 | FailDrain | I install debian right now :D |
| 03:00.55 | FailDrain | installed*** |
| 03:01.25 | FailDrain | on debian as we speak awaintia or whatever it's called |
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| 03:03.32 | zykotick9 | FailDrain: in a terminal, check "apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree" look on the Installed line, if it isn't installed. i'd suggest you install it (might require adding non-free repository to your sources.list?) |
| 03:05.21 | FailDrain | I couldn't care less if it's open source or not aslong as I don't have to pay for it personally but okay so what's the repository url and how do I add it? |
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| 03:06.16 | zykotick9 | i'll let someone else assist you. best of luck. |
| 03:07.06 | FailDrain | Why is that? |
| 03:07.18 | FailDrain | Okay I hate non-free repositorys now does that make you happy |
| 03:08.10 | FailDrain | fuck sake stupid.... |
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| 03:34.56 | zykotick9 | i just want to point out, i did provide FailDrain with all the required keywords to get that working... but i didn't directly want to get adding the non-free repo... |
| 03:35.15 | zykotick9 | s/get adding/help adding/ |
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| 03:41.28 | james41382 | I have a .jnlp file I need to open, but when I click on it is says Open or Save and I choose open though nothing happens. |
| 03:41.43 | james41382 | I am using IceaTea 6. Any ideas? |
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| 03:43.39 | avernos | anyone knows how to force different resolution on Gnome displays planel ? |
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| 03:44.44 | codepython777 | why doesnt debian come with firefox? why iceweasel? |
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| 03:45.51 | rryoumaa | codepython777: licensing type issues |
| 03:46.05 | rryoumaa | it's the same thing |
| 03:46.10 | Derpadong | codepython777: iceweasel is Firefox under the hood |
| 03:46.29 | Derpadong | Just different name and icon |
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| 03:47.03 | codepython777 | rryoumaa: whats the licensing issue with firefox? |
| 03:47.53 | Evidlo | I'm trying to decide between systemd, runit, and upstart. I'm looking for something simple that I can start my scripts with. Any suggestions? |
| 03:47.59 | codepython777 | Derpadong: I know. Why iceweasel? Why pick a new name for something that is so well known? |
| 03:48.14 | rryoumaa | codepython777: to solve the licensing issues |
| 03:48.16 | codepython777 | Evidlo: upstart? |
| 03:48.31 | Evidlo | what about it? |
| 03:48.39 | Evidlo | oh, is that RHEL only? |
| 03:48.41 | codepython777 | rryoumaa: what licensing issues? Firefox I thought was one of the most easy to use licenses? |
| 03:48.50 | codepython777 | Evidlo: you are in debian room |
| 03:49.02 | rryoumaa | codepython777: others know more than i about the topic |
| 03:49.09 | rryoumaa | do* |
| 03:49.09 | Evidlo | I know, I didn't know it was only RHEL. but still, my question stands |
| 03:49.24 | zykotick9 | !tell codepython777 about why iceweasel |
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| 03:50.04 | Derpadong | The issue with the licensing was it was breaking some stuff so they said no and so Debian took Firefox and made it look better tbh |
| 03:50.37 | Derpadong | I need to find my netbook. Gonna make it a headless display and use it on the TV lol |
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| 03:52.50 | codepython777 | zykotick9: thanks |
| 03:52.57 | Derpadong | Man... Good times |
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| 04:02.39 | uovobw | [OT] question for native english speakers please: would verbing the noun "wikipedia" in the past tense be "i wikipediaed it" or more likely "i wikipediad it" ? tia, ignore if too ot, google does not help that much |
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| 04:04.57 | bbtech_ | uovobw, I would say "I looked it up on wikipedia" |
| 04:07.21 | uovobw | bbtech_: yes, but i need an example for a noun verbing, like the now common "i googled it" and i was not sure about the correct grammar rule to apply, as googling it is hard cause you almost have to already know part of the answer, that for a non native speaker is non trivial |
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| 04:08.43 | uovobw | thanks, btw |
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| 04:08.58 | ArtyG | As much as we love Wikipedia, we haven't turned it into a verb yet. |
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| 04:09.22 | epsilon | 'manipulate' |
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| 04:10.59 | uovobw | ArtyG: i look forward to it happening any day now :) |
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| 04:11.22 | epsilon | dammit, is there any calDAV on debian which actually works? |
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| 04:20.37 | zee_hax0r | hola! |
| 04:23.52 | zee_hax0r | Is debian like Windows |
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| 04:27.06 | emss | zee_hax0r you will never know unless you try it! xD |
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| 04:30.44 | zee_hax0r | I like Windows, because Microsoft is my overlord, I hope to die for my overlords |
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| 04:33.37 | zee_hax0r | I am trying Debian right now, changing all my windows to doors, sweet! |
| 04:34.26 | zee_hax0r | I guess it is harder to break though doors compared to smashing them windows, innit! |
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| 04:42.43 | linux-fox | hi,guys |
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| 04:44.59 | Gentoon | Hello |
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| 04:51.17 | emss | hello |
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| 04:54.53 | klync | hi all |
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| 04:56.37 | klync | uovobw: thing is "wikipedia" is 4 syllables; "google" is 2. "I wikipedia'd it" is awkward. Maybe "I jimmy'd it", but that's arleady taken... also, way OT but it's quiet in here, so... |
| 04:59.53 | linux-fox | what mean? |
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| 05:00.17 | klync | the other thing is "to google" represents the first time in the history of human culture that we can ask a specific question about anything at a general source. searching a more specific source is still "I looked it up on X". google solved the general search problem |
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| 05:03.18 | jaami | i downloaded tar.gz and extracted in a folder. there is a bin folder but i dont know which file is executeable file. |
| 05:03.52 | emss | jaami are you using a file manager? |
| 05:04.47 | jaami | i used gui to extract files but using terminal to find executeable |
| 05:05.04 | emss | try ls -F or ls -l |
| 05:05.25 | jaami | ok wait plz |
| 05:05.53 | emss | executable if there is one will be named "file*" with ls -F |
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| 05:06.43 | jaami | oh okay, i see there is node* with ls -F command |
| 05:06.46 | emss | with ls -l will have an x in the permissions on the left |
| 05:06.59 | emss | then that is it |
| 05:07.40 | jaami | thanks emss but when i type node i see error Command not found something |
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| 05:07.55 | JohnnyL | Some of my KDE dialogue widgets are small. I think they can be changed with font resize but then my fonts in firefox are two big and overlap. I'm using a very big tv as the screen. |
| 05:09.50 | jaami | root@abator:/home/jaami/Downloads/node64/node-v0.10.21-linux-x64/bin# ls -F-->>>> node* npm@ -->>> root@abator:/home/jaami/Downloads/node64/node-v0.10.21-linux-x64/bin# node ->>> bash: node: command not found |
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| 05:10.55 | jaami | emss, please see my msg |
| 05:12.01 | linux-fox | ./node |
| 05:12.18 | jaami | oh thanks linux-fox |
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| 05:16.53 | emss | jaami for `node' to work the location for the binary would need to be in your $PATH |
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| 05:18.13 | jaami | emss, please find a good command reference that i can download |
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| 05:18.32 | tprince | I am using Debian 7.2 on a laptop with an nVidia GPU. I need the bumblebee package to make nVidia Optimus work. It isn't in the repos for 7.2 but I hear -testing and sid have it. The bumblebee project says I should have them in my repo. How do I get this installed? |
| 05:19.17 | tprince | My lap is getting very hot. :( |
| 05:19.26 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys, I have a weird issue, I did an minimal debian wheezy install and just finished setting up pulse audio with the alsamixergui for audio control. Everything was working fine when it came to output. There was no autojacksense but it was like that in all the other distros i used too. Also i had to type alsamixergui -c 0 so that I could actually force the audio to the headphones, once again not a |
| 05:19.28 | Asad3ainJalout | problem. My issue is that the mic wont work. I got on google talk witha friend and it told me that my mic was hardware muted. Problem is, when i type "alsamixergui -c 0" the internal mic and the mic volumes and boost are both at full blast. I am using a laptop if that makes any difference |
| 05:19.55 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: you can download it manually and get it to work |
| 05:19.55 | jaami | !dpkg commands reference |
| 05:20.10 | emss | jaami you can `man ls' |
| 05:20.17 | emss | `man man' |
| 05:20.25 | jaami | ok, |
| 05:20.38 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: I see sources but no packages. They have a channel here on Freenode. I might go ask there. |
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| 05:21.58 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: yah I have never actually tried it. I switched from arch to debian for stability so im on wheezy and wont even backport youtube-dl because its not in teh wheezy repos |
| 05:23.52 | linux-fox | !tell jaami about man |
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| 05:24.10 | was_a_win_user | hi |
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| 05:24.57 | was_a_win_user | i need to install Amd graphics in debian 7 |
| 05:25.32 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: proprietary drivers? |
| 05:26.14 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: Also how did you install debian 7 wheezy? graphic install or live cd/dvd/usb? |
| 05:26.39 | was_a_win_user | 7.1 |
| 05:26.42 | was_a_win_user | wheezy |
| 05:26.52 | was_a_win_user | Graphic Install but it goes to fallback mode |
| 05:26.59 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: yup 7.* is wheezy :) |
| 05:27.00 | was_a_win_user | and GNOME 3 |
| 05:27.01 | jaami | !tell jaami about path |
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| 05:27.08 | tprince | aAsad3ainJalout: This is ridiculous. I stopped using computers (and therefore linux) back in 2007 and since I've rejoined the computing world these sorts of difficulties still are present. |
| 05:27.08 | was_a_win_user | ya I know |
| 05:27.51 | was_a_win_user | Look I install 7.1 with Gnome, and it goes to fallback mode due to lack of graphics |
| 05:27.52 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: Ahh its not soo bad, I personally feel its just that we are not advanced enough when it comes to computers yet. I have fully made the switch, and yes i deal with issues, but the beaty of it is, when i go to a linuxcon someone always knows how to fix it |
| 05:28.14 | was_a_win_user | Where as in Opensuse or Fedora or Ubuntu it just works .. my processor works |
| 05:28.22 | was_a_win_user | But I want pure Debian |
| 05:28.22 | was_a_win_user | Please help |
| 05:28.27 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: Who do you mean by "we", and what do you mean by "not advanced enough"? |
| 05:28.27 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: when it comes to ease of use I will admit linux is not that great, you may be better off with linux mint or an ubuntu variant |
| 05:29.12 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: i guess I mean me and most people who ask for help :). I know some of my very advanced linux friends who who build the kernal almost from memory :D |
| 05:29.32 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: I don't want sugar coated point-and-click UIs to get my rush from Facebook and Youtube. I want something that works on my hardware. |
| 05:29.49 | was_a_win_user | No help |
| 05:29.56 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: The issue you have is that debian does not by default give you proprietary drivers and you are using an open source driver that does not support your card |
| 05:30.24 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: We shouldn't have to be so extreme to be able to features on our computers intended for end users. |
| 05:30.36 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: I did not mean otherwise :) neither do I, I use i3wm and mostly terminal programs, however I still am having issues with my mic |
| 05:30.56 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: Trust me i get you, it is frustrating at times, however, i feel the ability to have full control of my os other than that makes up for it |
| 05:31.06 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: Most people have better things to do than worship machines all day. |
| 05:31.28 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: The best solution in that regard is to stick with archlinux than for you |
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| 05:31.36 | tprince | Software programs are tools. You should not fetishize them. |
| 05:31.40 | Asad3ainJalout | bleeding edge means you will get all that you need and build it how you want |
| 05:32.02 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: Yah i agree when work needs to get done it needs done, and the issue you have is a seriouse, one, I honestly dont know how to fix it :( |
| 05:32.16 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: Oh come off it. You know that is silly. More things will break more consistently. Debian's package manager is suppose to make my life easier. |
| 05:32.28 | tprince | Asad3ainJalout: This is useless. Thanks anyway. |
| 05:32.42 | Asad3ainJalout | tprince: sorry I couldnt help man :( |
| 05:32.55 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: do you know how to install drivers? |
| 05:33.20 | was_a_win_user | I know |
| 05:33.26 | was_a_win_user | but it says can't find |
| 05:33.33 | was_a_win_user | I can't add source list |
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| 05:34.01 | emss | jaami `man bash' and search for this "PATH The search path for commands." by typing / |
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| 05:35.25 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: ok you need to go to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:36.18 | was_a_win_user | How |
| 05:36.24 | was_a_win_user | I need to install fglrx |
| 05:36.28 | was_a_win_user | How to do it |
| 05:36.51 | was_a_win_user | Which is the best Gnome 3 distro? |
| 05:37.40 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: What is your video card? |
| 05:38.42 | was_a_win_user | AMD C-60 apu |
| 05:38.51 | was_a_win_user | HD Radeon 6290 |
| 05:39.11 | was_a_win_user | Official install don't work in fallback mode |
| 05:39.17 | was_a_win_user | I need to install fglrx |
| 05:39.22 | mumpitzel | !tell was_a_win_user about fglx dkms |
| 05:39.38 | mumpitzel | !tell was_a_win_user about fglrx dkms |
| 05:39.59 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 05:40.13 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: Read that that should help you out |
| 05:40.28 | Asad3ainJalout | I think I will repost up my question meanwhile :) |
| 05:40.34 | Asad3ainJalout | Hello guys, I have a weird issue, I did an minimal debian wheezy install and just finished setting up pulse audio with the alsamixergui for audio control. Everything was working fine when it came to output. There was no autojacksense but it was like that in all the other distros i used too. Also i had to type alsamixergui -c 0 so that I could actually force the audio to the headphones, once again not a |
| 05:40.36 | Asad3ainJalout | problem. My issue is that the mic wont work. I got on google talk witha friend and it told me that my mic was hardware muted. Problem is, when i type "alsamixergui -c 0" the internal mic and the mic volumes and boost are both at full blast. I am using a laptop if that makes any difference |
| 05:42.02 | was_a_win_user | which client are u using? |
| 05:42.28 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: ? |
| 05:43.51 | was_a_win_user | how are you going to chat ? which client software for chatting? |
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| 05:44.09 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: I use weechat-curses |
| 05:44.21 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: its an amazing CLI irc client :) I am loving it |
| 05:44.58 | was_a_win_user | Did you check the preferences |
| 05:45.02 | was_a_win_user | I had same issues |
| 05:45.05 | was_a_win_user | but it worked |
| 05:45.52 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: oh you mean when i was using a mic, i that case it was google hangouts |
| 05:46.18 | was_a_win_user | ya |
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| 05:46.26 | was_a_win_user | Google Hangout .. which browser? |
| 05:46.47 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: iceweasel |
| 05:46.50 | was_a_win_user | Google is evil .. it doesn't treat its user well |
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| 05:47.15 | was_a_win_user | use chromium |
| 05:47.16 | was_a_win_user | it would work |
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| 05:47.52 | grimeton | webkit browser -> uzbl |
| 05:47.56 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: i might I was thinking to try arecord first |
| 05:48.14 | was_a_win_user | don't think |
| 05:48.19 | was_a_win_user | Chromium would work |
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| 05:49.31 | jaami | man bash worked for me but when i type /PATH i get no further help on the path environment variable and how to set it |
| 05:50.23 | grimeton | jaami: export is the magical keyword |
| 05:50.37 | grimeton | jaami: it's an environment variable |
| 05:52.21 | jaami | oh okay grimeton , but how to use it and how to get more help in terminal. i need to display value of environment variable and also need to see how to set value of EV |
| 05:52.59 | mumpitzel | jaami: echo $PATH |
| 05:53.45 | grimeton | jaami: look for SHELL VARIABLES in the bash man page |
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| 05:54.36 | jaami | grimeton, got help on export with bash man and then /export |
| 05:54.39 | tomatosalad | wait, if I install a Desktop Environment from an XFCE installer CD will it install XFCE or GNOME? |
| 05:54.47 | was_a_win_user | Ok |
| 05:54.58 | grimeton | jaami: also read in bash-builtins |
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| 05:55.04 | was_a_win_user | Asad I saw you on tv with Dynamo |
| 05:55.05 | was_a_win_user | lol |
| 05:55.52 | tomatosalad | I want to install Debian with GNOME but I want to use a GUI Installer this time |
| 05:56.16 | tomatosalad | and I don't see a CD that advertises GNOME, so what's the story there? Will it install the DE it's labeled with on the ISO or will it install GNOME? |
| 05:57.20 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: if the live cd has the GUI or DE advertised on it it will install that one |
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| 05:57.31 | tomatosalad | ah. |
| 05:57.41 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: otherwise it will default to gnome unless you do an advanced install and choose to not install teh DE |
| 05:57.46 | tomatosalad | So I take it there's no way to install GNOME from a GUI installer? |
| 05:57.49 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: I highly doubt it. |
| 05:58.01 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: Gnome 3 is the default gui for debian |
| 05:58.07 | tomatosalad | Right, I know that |
| 05:58.09 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: gimme a sec |
| 05:58.33 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: Whats your architexture? |
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| 05:58.43 | Asad3ainJalout | architecture... |
| 05:58.49 | tomatosalad | AMD64 |
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| 05:59.29 | Asad3ainJalout | are you ok with doing a netinstall? |
| 05:59.41 | Asad3ainJalout | means you will need a woring internet connection throughout the installation? |
| 05:59.44 | Asad3ainJalout | working |
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| 05:59.48 | tomatosalad | Yeah, that's fine |
| 05:59.55 | Asad3ainJalout | ok |
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| 06:00.38 | mumpitzel | tomatosalad: there is. normal CD1 or DVD1 will install gnome3 |
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| 06:00.42 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: ok under small cd pick amd64 and do the basic graphical install you whould have gnome by default |
| 06:00.45 | mumpitzel | tomatosalad: right at installtime |
| 06:00.48 | Asad3ainJalout | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 06:00.49 | tomatosalad | mumpitzel: but with a gui installer? |
| 06:00.54 | mumpitzel | tomatosalad: yes |
| 06:01.07 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: mumpitzel is also correct :) |
| 06:01.13 | grimeton | is still waiting for it to turn out as a hoax http://www.rootwyrm.com/2013/11/the-badbios-analysis-is-wrong/ |
| 06:01.17 | tomatosalad | I'm fine with a text installer usually, but I'm on my Mac and I did it successfully earlier on my mac and I know how to do it and I don't want to screw up my partitioning by doing something stupid |
| 06:01.49 | tomatosalad | If I was wiping the whole damn thing I'd just use the squeeze netinst I have lying around here |
| 06:01.56 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: net install and the dvd install basically the same thing only difference is dvd install is a bigger iso and has everything on it. Netinstall is a smaller iso but you need an internet connection as it downloads everything. |
| 06:02.11 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: you seem to know whats up :) |
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| 06:02.26 | tomatosalad | Yeah, I'm just confused about the DE situation :) |
| 06:02.40 | tomatosalad | That's all. I want to install one from the getgo and I want it to be GNOME |
| 06:03.07 | was_a_win_user | Asad3ain |
| 06:03.17 | was_a_win_user | when i use Deb command |
| 06:03.19 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: by default if you dont choose a the type of de but choose to install de its gnome, at least for debian |
| 06:03.22 | was_a_win_user | it says invalid |
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| 06:03.37 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: deb? |
| 06:03.39 | tomatosalad | right |
| 06:03.58 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: ok the deb part is nto a command |
| 06:04.09 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: you are supposed to put that in your sources.list file |
| 06:05.15 | was_a_win_user | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 06:05.29 | was_a_win_user | so I need to paste it in .list file? |
| 06:05.33 | tomatosalad | right. echo that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:05.34 | tomatosalad | yeah. |
| 06:05.47 | was_a_win_user | ok thanks ya all |
| 06:05.51 | Asad3ainJalout | in sources.list |
| 06:05.53 | was_a_win_user | one last question |
| 06:05.58 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: yah no problem what is it? |
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| 06:06.08 | was_a_win_user | FEDORA OR DEBIAN for GNOME 3 lover / XFCE lover? |
| 06:06.15 | tomatosalad | Debian |
| 06:06.25 | tomatosalad | fedora is a horrible piece of bloat |
| 06:06.34 | tomatosalad | plus apt is pretty much the best thing ever |
| 06:06.44 | was_a_win_user | but fedora works good on my system and it supports everything by default |
| 06:06.48 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: see I was going to say it epends on preference. |
| 06:06.51 | was_a_win_user | Debian makes me go to fallback mode |
| 06:07.02 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: how new of a user are you? |
| 06:07.02 | was_a_win_user | ok Asad |
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| 06:07.15 | tomatosalad | was_a_win_user: Linux Mint is quite nice, too |
| 06:07.19 | tomatosalad | but it uses cinnamon |
| 06:07.24 | was_a_win_user | I am a win/mac expert but Linux ( BRAND NEW USER ) |
| 06:07.27 | tomatosalad | which is actually my favorite |
| 06:07.33 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: Yup was going to say what tomatosalad just said |
| 06:07.35 | tomatosalad | but I like to fall back to GNOME |
| 06:07.39 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: try linuxmint |
| 06:07.51 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: its a very good and New user friendly Distro |
| 06:07.59 | was_a_win_user | See I want a distro which is not based on Ubuntu and is GNOME 3 |
| 06:08.22 | tomatosalad | was_a_win_user: yeah, try mint, it's quite good and the interface is fantastic. if you like it and have been using it for a while and maybe want to start moving to Debian, try LMDE! it's mint with a debian core |
| 06:08.42 | was_a_win_user | Debian (TESTING) |
| 06:08.42 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: why do you want gnome 3 so badly? |
| 06:09.00 | was_a_win_user | As i have used CentOS before |
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| 06:09.07 | was_a_win_user | and Gnome 2 was cute |
| 06:09.10 | tomatosalad | :| |
| 06:09.14 | was_a_win_user | and Gnome 3 is so snappy |
| 06:09.16 | tomatosalad | You'll really like cinnamon then |
| 06:09.24 | tomatosalad | no, cinnamon is *so* good. |
| 06:09.31 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: cinnamon is basically gnome3 but modified to act like gnome 2 |
| 06:09.33 | tomatosalad | it's GNOME 2 updated to GNOME 3 feel, basically |
| 06:09.39 | tomatosalad | what Asad3ainJalout said |
| 06:09.57 | Asad3ainJalout | and the linux mint distro will be much easier for a new linux user to handle |
| 06:10.04 | tomatosalad | Indeed |
| 06:10.08 | Asad3ainJalout | Ive been using linux for 3 years and I still have issues :) |
| 06:10.24 | was_a_win_user | Asad, tomato I want Gnome 3 / XFCE as DE and a distro which is not based on Ubuntu .. |
| 06:10.25 | Asad3ainJalout | but than again, I am not a very smart man |
| 06:10.31 | was_a_win_user | Please guys |
| 06:10.33 | tomatosalad | Heh, I wish I had more machines around and an excuse to set them up with linux because I am absolutely in love with my new hostname scheme |
| 06:10.37 | was_a_win_user | I am choosy |
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| 06:10.56 | grimeton | was_a_win_user: honestly: linux is never easy - especially if you're new - go for debian - install it, learn to configure it, learn to deal with it and be happy |
| 06:11.05 | grimeton | was_a_win_user: use google and read, read, read |
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| 06:11.21 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: theoretically speaking any distro can do that,I assume you want one that does it all for you to begin with |
| 06:11.29 | was_a_win_user | so guys if I am in for GNOME 3+ then FEDORA or DEBIAN? |
| 06:11.38 | Asad3ainJalout | in that case debian is not a good fit because it only uses free open source drivers which clearly your video card cannot use |
| 06:11.54 | st0rm | why is the package "paketto" not available in debian? |
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| 06:12.15 | grimeton | st0rm: what does it do? |
| 06:12.24 | Asad3ainJalout | YOu can go for fedora if you want, but i do reccomend you stay with debian based systems. The rpm based ones you wont see much and its better to learn on the .deb systems |
| 06:12.28 | was_a_win_user | but you just gave me the link to download it |
| 06:12.30 | was_a_win_user | the drivers |
| 06:12.33 | st0rm | it includes scanrand which is a tcp/udp scanner |
| 06:12.38 | st0rm | like nmap but older |
| 06:12.41 | was_a_win_user | Opensource drivers work! I was in on Ubuntu |
| 06:12.45 | was_a_win_user | while testing all distros |
| 06:13.00 | was_a_win_user | saw* |
| 06:13.02 | grimeton | st0rm: guess you have to built that one from the sauces though |
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| 06:14.06 | tomatosalad | Man, I wish synchronet wasn't such a flaming heap of fudge. |
| 06:14.14 | tomatosalad | and bbs100 is lacking file uploading and downloading |
| 06:14.22 | tomatosalad | and *that's* why I'm writing my own BBS server! |
| 06:14.24 | tomatosalad | in python! |
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| 06:15.26 | tomatosalad | Is there any reason to update my server to wheezy? |
| 06:15.47 | mumpitzel | yes. next may squeeze is EOL and unsupported |
| 06:15.56 | tomatosalad | I see. |
| 06:15.59 | tomatosalad | Maybe next weekend, then |
| 06:16.03 | tomatosalad | back it all up, update it |
| 06:16.07 | was_a_win_user | best gnome3 distro? |
| 06:16.09 | tomatosalad | I have things today tonight/tomorrow |
| 06:16.16 | tomatosalad | was_a_win_user: Debian, duh |
| 06:16.22 | emss | was_a_win_user the one you do not use?! |
| 06:17.06 | was_a_win_user | I am using Fedora 19 right now |
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| 06:18.04 | grimeton | the obvious troll is obvious |
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| 06:18.49 | tomatosalad | yeah, I'm getting tired of this guy |
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| 06:19.12 | was_a_win_user | Are you tired of me? |
| 06:19.39 | was_a_win_user | :[ |
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| 06:21.46 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: you seem pretty set on fedora so go for fedora :) |
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| 06:26.19 | was_a_win_user | ;) |
| 06:26.45 | was_a_win_user | I am jus asking .. Is debian faster or fedora on GNOME DE |
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| 06:27.03 | Asad3ainJalout | was_a_win_user: in the end its all the same pick on and get on with it :) |
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| 06:29.10 | mumpitzel | was_a_win_user: debian isn't compiled for speed. if you want that, use gentoo |
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| 06:31.52 | tomatosalad | blargh, this install is gonna go late, I guess |
| 06:31.54 | tomatosalad | :( |
| 06:32.02 | tomatosalad | I have *things* to do tomorrow! |
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| 06:35.01 | was_a_win_user | How to install Gentoo |
| 06:35.24 | jaami | the bash-builtins defines only internal commands and path is not in there. that makes sense. but how to get help on external commands and environment variables? |
| 06:35.30 | tomatosalad | hits was_a_win_user |
| 06:35.44 | grimeton | jaami: man $command |
| 06:35.47 | mumpitzel | was_a_win_user: wrong channel. check gentoo.org or the gentoo channel |
| 06:36.02 | azar | I have installed " libaio-dev" in debian, but the header file named: <libaio.h? does not exist. Any idead? |
| 06:36.13 | mumpitzel | !tell azar about search |
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| 06:36.47 | mumpitzel | azar: and it does exist: ls -l /usr/include/libaio.h |
| 06:36.58 | mumpitzel | azar: check your configure logfile what the actual error is |
| 06:37.14 | was_a_win_user | I would sue you tomatosalad |
| 06:37.27 | mumpitzel | was_a_win_user: you could go away |
| 06:38.16 | was_a_win_user | could? |
| 06:38.22 | was_a_win_user | he just hit me? |
| 06:38.27 | was_a_win_user | injustice |
| 06:38.34 | was_a_win_user | NON-libre |
| 06:38.38 | was_a_win_user | I have right to speech |
| 06:38.40 | mumpitzel | fuck off you asshole |
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| 06:38.51 | mumpitzel | was_a_win_user: do you have a debian related support problem? |
| 06:39.14 | grimeton | cool your jets |
| 06:39.15 | grimeton | use ignore |
| 06:39.43 | was_a_win_user | Asshole? you are gone I am reporting to debian |
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| 06:40.02 | emss | was_a_win_user try #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 06:40.35 | was_a_win_user | but this is not done |
| 06:40.49 | was_a_win_user | this guy needs to be taught |
| 06:40.57 | was_a_win_user | I would report it |
| 06:41.11 | tomatosalad | You're an idiot |
| 06:41.36 | mumpitzel | was_a_win_user: you can "report" via "!ops <topic>" be careful or it's you who will suffer the consequences |
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| 06:42.25 | was_a_win_user | Ok then wait.. I would let you know who is in trouble |
| 06:42.34 | was_a_win_user | You verbally abused me .. |
| 06:42.39 | was_a_win_user | You have no right to do it |
| 06:42.55 | tomatosalad | lol |
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| 06:43.21 | emss | was_a_win_user and you can use /ignore :) |
| 06:43.25 | jaami | i was not able to find help on environment variables in terminal |
| 06:43.44 | jaami | im sorry to bother with same question again |
| 06:43.47 | was_a_win_user | Thanks emss |
| 06:43.57 | jaami | please let have the exact command |
| 06:44.00 | emss | jaami `man 7 environ' |
| 06:44.03 | mumpitzel | jaami: does not exist |
| 06:44.19 | jaami | oh okay |
| 06:45.04 | mumpitzel | books about debian might have chapters about it. stuff like http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ the debian handbook, etc. some of them you can apt-get even |
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| 06:46.46 | jaami | mumpitzel, i did try to download the command reference but the command you gave was giving error in PV with dpkg. thanks for the link. i will check it. |
| 06:47.23 | mumpitzel | environment variables are no commands, so they wouldn't be there anyways. and commands do have manpages already |
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| 06:48.09 | jaami | hmm, that make sense. that is why i was not getting any details with man command. |
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| 06:49.41 | jaami | emss, thanks a lot that worked |
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| 06:51.22 | emss | jaami ok if you want more just try `ls -R /usr/share/man/man?' you can also search with `apropos' and `man -k' |
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| 07:00.58 | was_a_win_user | Thanks Asad for help |
| 07:01.02 | was_a_win_user | bye guys |
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| 07:02.50 | mipo | hi |
| 07:03.21 | mipo | I have a server and somebody came to my server and have run some commands. |
| 07:03.52 | tomatosalad | wait, so how does DST ending work again? 2 2AMs or 2 1AMs? |
| 07:03.52 | mipo | so how can I detect is this system has backdoor or not? |
| 07:04.04 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: i think its 2 1 ams |
| 07:04.08 | mumpitzel | mipo: you can't |
| 07:04.18 | Asad3ainJalout | tomatosalad: or 0100s |
| 07:04.30 | mipo | mumpitzel: so what is the solution? |
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| 07:12.57 | mipo | thanks any way |
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| 07:31.02 | Benkinooby | hi, will wifi work druing minimal install? |
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| 07:33.02 | Benkinooby | *during |
| 07:33.06 | voltagex | hi, how do I add a module to /lib/firmware in an initrd? |
| 07:33.28 | voltagex | I'm trying to add rt2870.bin to a debian-installer image for armhf |
| 07:34.20 | mumpitzel | Benkinooby: usually you will need firmware. otherwise, it will work with netinst isos, yes |
| 07:34.51 | mumpitzel | voltagex: the installer should ask you for firmware which you can then load it load when you run the installer |
| 07:35.04 | Benkinooby | mumpitzel: afaik there are unofficial isos that include firmware |
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| 07:36.29 | voltagex | mumpitzel: some failure that I can't debug right now in the mountmedia script |
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| 07:38.29 | voltagex | mumpitzel: I'd say mountmedia would fail with an iso too, it can't find that script in the initrd |
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| 07:43.58 | babilen | Benkinooby: Ask the bot about the image with firmware <firmare image> and about instructions on how to provide firmware during the installation <installer firmware>. (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
| 07:44.11 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok, thank you |
| 07:44.36 | babilen | Benkinooby: Which wireless adaptor do you have? Do you have the PCI ID of it? (if you are using Linux on it you can run "lspci -nn|grep -i network") |
| 07:45.27 | Benkinooby | babilen: sek, let me look it p |
| 07:45.28 | Benkinooby | *up |
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| 07:50.58 | Benkinooby | babilen: broadcom BCM4312 |
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| 07:51.16 | Benkinooby | babilen: will be right back |
| 07:52.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Benkinooby -about BCM4312 |
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| 08:03.33 | rryoumaa | what's the best way to view youtubes that don't use html5? |
| 08:03.43 | rryoumaa | in wheezy |
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| 08:04.42 | mumpitzel | install the adobe flash player.... |
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| 08:05.37 | rozie | I suggest minitube |
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| 08:06.10 | rryoumaa | was hoping to avoid proprietary. no youtube-dl in wheezy. |
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| 08:20.58 | Benkinooby | +1 minitube |
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| 08:23.33 | Benkinooby | babilen: thank you |
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| 08:25.58 | Benkinooby | babilen: don't know to whom this should be reported. but http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/bt-cd/ i get: tracker can't find torrent |
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| 08:26.23 | Benkinooby | maybe it's me? |
| 08:26.32 | Benkinooby | (my fault) |
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| 08:28.50 | SexRoulette | the best cam chat with girls or boys ;) sexroulette.wix.com/sexroulette |
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| 08:31.55 | Leoneof | anyone using debian-testing? how is it? |
| 08:36.56 | mumpitzel | !tell Leoneof about testing |
| 08:37.46 | Leoneof | ok, thanks |
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| 08:59.16 | Benkinooby | babilen: ok, the non-free image worked and recoginzed my wlan interface. it was not able to detect networks thoug. i'll just fall back to install through cable. i'll tinker with wlan install when i have time for it. thank you for your advice |
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| 09:03.25 | mojzesz | hi i have a problem with flash player on squeeze after i have install flashplugin non-free and flashplayer-mozilla two browsers are automatically closing themeselves |
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| 09:15.57 | MelissaNoob | hi guys, how do i disable xdmcp? |
| 09:16.16 | MelissaNoob | Through terminal i mean |
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| 09:19.51 | grimeton | disable what? |
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| 09:22.13 | MelissaNoob | grimeton: i was playing around with the login and accidentally enabled the xdmcp, now whenever i start my laptop, it's asking for a server to connect to. I do have terminal access thru ctrl+alt+f1 but what can i do to disable it so that it goes back to the normal login screen |
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| 09:24.02 | Mathisen | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf .. [xdmcp] enable=false ? |
| 09:25.48 | MelissaNoob | will try that |
| 09:25.48 | MelissaNoob | thanks |
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| 10:36.19 | was_a_win_user | hi r0x |
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| 10:41.40 | jubo2 | I can't click my way into shell |
| 10:41.47 | jubo2 | For a TUI oriented system like Debian is this is pretty bad malfunctioning |
| 10:41.59 | ompaul | TUI means what exactly? |
| 10:42.32 | ompaul | also you should tell the good people you are on kde so you go to the menu, you choose Utilities and then click on Konsole |
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| 10:43.06 | ompaul | you didn't mention that you are on debian 6 either so my first suggestion is that you move to 7 |
| 10:43.27 | Roenie | he probably meant GUI but he's not so great with the keyboard |
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| 10:43.30 | Roenie | hides |
| 10:43.42 | ompaul | Roenie: oh I read the rant in full in -offtopic |
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| 10:44.25 | ompaul | suspects that Roenie is right, however without clarification assuming things will cause problems. |
| 10:44.34 | STMelon | most likely a troller |
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| 10:45.19 | shingouz | i have seen the 'TUI* somewhere before, it is supposedly Text User Interface... |
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| 10:46.13 | ompaul | in which case using the click and TUI are contraindcated and no doctor would suggest it |
| 10:46.14 | Roenie | well, anyone who installs more than the base system, meaning, they install X and a WM it's up to them how they click their way to anything |
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| 10:46.31 | Roenie | no point blaming the distro |
| 10:46.39 | MelissaNoob | hi guys, is there a way to find if a certain unique string exists in any file on the system? |
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| 10:47.56 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: grep -i MelissaNoob /* -i is for ignore caps but that seems a very burdensome thing to do, usually things are in specific directories |
| 10:48.43 | MelissaNoob | well the thing is i played around with the logins and accidentally enable xdmcp |
| 10:49.02 | MelissaNoob | now i cant login because the login screen has changed |
| 10:49.29 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: xdmcp allows logins ... I know I use it in my work |
| 10:49.37 | MelissaNoob | its asking for a server to connect to, so my plan is to locate files which contains the specific word xdmcp |
| 10:49.40 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: CTRL ALT F7 may help |
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| 10:50.15 | MelissaNoob | ompaul: no as in the GUI is not the normal one, but the one which asks for the specific server to connect o |
| 10:50.16 | MelissaNoob | *to |
| 10:50.17 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: all you want to restart your *dm are you using gnome |
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| 10:50.29 | MelissaNoob | yes |
| 10:50.36 | ompaul | service gdm3 restart |
| 10:50.50 | ompaul | login as root on CTRL ALT F2 |
| 10:51.01 | ompaul | run that command and whamo or reboot the box |
| 10:51.03 | shingouz | MelissaNoob: also, ctrl+alt+F2 might get you to a pure console that you could log on. that way you get access to the system and can correct the problem |
| 10:51.05 | ompaul | there should be a quit |
| 10:51.18 | MelissaNoob | it says unrecognized command |
| 10:51.27 | MelissaNoob | *service |
| 10:51.48 | MelissaNoob | i installed cinnamon |
| 10:51.51 | mumpitzel | MelissaNoob: are you root? |
| 10:51.57 | MelissaNoob | yes i am |
| 10:52.11 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: type reboot and when it comes back ... |
| 10:52.28 | MelissaNoob | i was root all along trying to find the specific file to toggle this xdmcp off |
| 10:53.01 | MelissaNoob | rebooted but its still the xdmcp screen with no servers to connect to |
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| 10:53.24 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: do you have another linux box near it |
| 10:53.40 | MelissaNoob | nope this is the only linux box i have |
| 10:53.48 | jubo2 | ompaul: TUI == textual user interface |
| 10:54.07 | ompaul | jubo2: so why did you install X if you want that? |
| 10:54.23 | shingouz | jubo2: the correct term is CLI == command line interface |
| 10:54.28 | jubo2 | ompaul: coz I want many shells at once ? |
| 10:54.55 | ompaul | MelissaNoob: dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 << no promises but it might help you |
| 10:55.02 | jubo2 | we eat now.. I'll take a screenshot of the unclickable shell labels |
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| 10:55.35 | ompaul | jubo2: you should dist-upgrade to version 7 and then when you are on the current stable we can talk about it |
| 10:55.51 | ompaul | !tell jubo2 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:56.47 | MelissaNoob | ompaul: thanks will try |
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| 11:00.29 | shingouz | MelissaNoob: from the xdmcp howto: /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf seems to have a line with xdmcp enable. the same howto mentions that in ubuntu you can use gdmsetup to enable/disable the thing. personally i would start with the dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:20.56 | jaami | i could not locate /etc/profile that i need to set $PATH. how do i set path then? |
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| 11:21.28 | mumpitzel | path for whom? |
| 11:21.40 | daemonkeeper | jaami: You may want to look for /etc/environment. |
| 11:21.54 | daemonkeeper | jaami: /etc/path sounds like a proprietary addition by $yourformerdistro |
| 11:22.08 | mumpitzel | daemonkeeper: deprecated from what I remember. still works of course |
| 11:22.11 | shingouz | !tell jaami about path |
| 11:24.31 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:26.49 | jaami | mumpitzel, i am setting path for node.js |
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| 11:30.56 | jaami | the env command shows SHELL=/bin/bash |
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| 11:32.32 | mumpitzel | jaami: then use /etc/environment. you need to have set it when apache2 or whatever starts. |
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| 11:33.19 | shingouz | hopes jaami did read what dpkg offered about path... |
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| 11:34.28 | mumpitzel | shingouz: where would you set a path so that a daemon has the proper one? |
| 11:34.42 | jaami | im reading, trying to figure out how to set path. what is ~/.bash_profile and that ~ means what? |
| 11:35.48 | mumpitzel | ~ is shell shorthand for "home directory" |
| 11:35.49 | phatypus | ~ is a shortcut for your home directory |
| 11:35.54 | phatypus | SNAP |
| 11:35.58 | mumpitzel | your node.js has no such home directory or a shell |
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| 11:36.50 | tremon | mumpitzel: you didn't ask me, but I would use /etc/default/$daemon if the init script already sources that file, or the init script itself |
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| 11:37.45 | mumpitzel | tremon: /etc/default is good but only if the daemon actually uses that. I wouldn't use the init.d script: that can and will change with debian updates. leading to hassles |
| 11:38.23 | jaami | the /etc/environment is empty file |
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| 11:38.59 | mumpitzel | jaami: and? |
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| 11:39.18 | tremon | that's true, but if the current init scripts has no hooks for sourcing additional files you need to edit the init script anyway |
| 11:39.20 | jaami | :) and im confused |
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| 11:41.29 | mumpitzel | tremon: edit /etc/environment and it will work fine, with the (small?) downside of it being global. but if it's normal path var, it shouldn't matter anyways |
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| 11:43.57 | jaami | node.js has one node* that i think can be placed in any folder with other node.js related files. that is why someone told me to set path |
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| 11:45.21 | stomach | The package postfix-policyd does not exist in debian7? |
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| 11:45.37 | Ushuru | G'day |
| 11:45.44 | Benkinooby | !firmware |
| 11:45.44 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 11:45.55 | Benkinooby | !b43 |
| 11:45.55 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 11:46.53 | sharky | stomach, seems postfix-policyd |
| 11:47.08 | stomach | [sharky]: no exist in debian7 |
| 11:47.29 | stomach | only squeezy |
| 11:48.00 | sharky | stomach, exists as postfix-policyd_1.82-2+b1_amd64.deb in wheezy |
| 11:48.08 | Ushuru | I have a problem with the newest 'testing'. I had to use PS/2 keyboard to install it, since my USB-keyboard was being disabled just after selecting the setup mode. Now in the OS, my PS/2 mouse does not work. (my PC has only one, universal PS/2 port) |
| 11:48.17 | stomach | aptitude search postfix-policyd |
| 11:48.19 | stomach | no result |
| 11:48.33 | Ushuru | Is there a way to make X detect the mouse? |
| 11:48.50 | sharky | stomach, wait a second |
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| 11:49.56 | sharky | stomach, ftp://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/pool/main/p/postfix-policyd/ |
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| 11:50.17 | ompaul | run this and you may be interested in the results apt-cache search postfix-policyd |
| 11:50.36 | stomach | [(sharky)]: repository oficial no exist |
| 11:51.06 | sharky | stomach, it seems only exists in wheezy http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postfix-policy&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 11:51.24 | stomach | [sharky]: in aptitude no |
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| 11:52.43 | sharky | stomach, hm even the packages.debian.org does not find it, now I see it finds Package postfix-policyd-spf-perl and Package postfix-policyd-spf-python |
| 11:52.58 | stomach | [sharky]: ok thanks |
| 11:53.10 | sharky | stomach, I will check on my with apt |
| 11:53.46 | darsie | solar eclipse soon (now?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPhI6QcxPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h3NK5frEFU |
| 11:54.19 | sharky | stomach, yup with apt-cache search I get Package postfix-policyd-spf-python and perl on my debian |
| 11:54.31 | sharky | stomach, is that what you look for? |
| 11:54.31 | stomach | [sharky]: spf |
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| 11:55.25 | jaami | this link explains how i can set environment variables. but the problem i think is how to locate those files https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
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| 12:01.07 | ompaul | ,v postfix-policyd |
| 12:01.08 | judd | Package: postfix-policyd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.82-2+b1 |
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| 12:04.26 | jaami | please let me know what file to edit for $PATH |
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| 12:05.45 | ompaul | jaami: you can look at /etc/path if you want it to be global for all users |
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| 12:06.14 | ompaul | jaami: you can look at /etc/profile for the path if you want it to be global for all users (typo line previous) |
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| 12:07.34 | jaami | ompaul, there is no /etc/profile folder or file on my debian. do i need to creat new file? |
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| 12:09.19 | ompaul | jaami: no /etc/profile on your debian ... ... ... sorry I don't know what to say, I've been using /etc/profile since the 90s you got one broken install if you don't have htat |
| 12:09.32 | ompaul | jaami: assuming it is really debian |
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| 12:09.59 | jaami | yes it is debian really. is it hidden file? |
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| 12:11.58 | ompaul | jaami: I think I would have advised you of that |
| 12:12.18 | ompaul | jaami: what version of debian and how old is your install |
| 12:13.24 | mjt | every linux distribution since the beginning had /etc/profile. Even ash in busybox can read it. |
| 12:13.26 | jaami | installed recently few weeks ago |
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| 12:13.41 | ompaul | jaami: I suggest you are not root |
| 12:13.47 | ompaul | but that shouldn't matter |
| 12:13.48 | mjt | so the only explanation is that you removed this file.. |
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| 12:13.58 | jaami | i checked many times. i am root. let me check again. |
| 12:14.00 | ompaul | mjt: you, or some other person |
| 12:14.04 | ompaul | type id |
| 12:14.16 | mjt | yeah, me ;) |
| 12:14.21 | ompaul | mjt: how to out pendant a pedant :) |
| 12:14.26 | jaami | no i did not remove any file from etc or any subfolder |
| 12:14.49 | ompaul | jaami: then you either have a broken install, or you have a corrupted disk |
| 12:15.01 | ompaul | or someone else got onto the box and decided to have fun with you |
| 12:15.15 | ompaul | not from outside unless you let them in general debian is fairly robust |
| 12:15.47 | mjt | why not from outside? use a very weak root password and install ssh, done :) |
| 12:16.16 | mjt | sshd |
| 12:16.28 | jaami | no dear, nobody use my laptop except me because i did not give pas to no one. and i dont think my debian is corrupted or hard drive is gone |
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| 12:16.49 | mjt | wanders away, bored |
| 12:17.43 | ompaul | jaami: well you have a problem, of unknown manufacture |
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| 12:18.11 | ompaul | I'd suggest a clean install and start again but that's just me, obviously backing up anything that is of value |
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| 12:20.45 | jaami | it was big problem when i installed debian, it took me 4 days to install debian. |
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| 12:23.48 | ompaul | jaami: you didn't install it if you don't have /etc/profile |
| 12:23.53 | jaami | i am sorry guys , it my stupid mistake. i did not try nano /etc/profile and moreover that i was thinking that profile is a directory |
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| 12:24.35 | jaami | file is there but i dont know why it was not shown in file manager |
| 12:25.05 | Elirips | Hello. I have a directory for a webservice. The permissions are set recursive to 770 with www-data:serviceUser. The webservice stores a config.ini file in there, but if I make changes to that file from the webgui it does not write into the existing file, but creates a new one, which has then www-data:ww-data as uesr/group, what makes my backup-scripts fails. |
| 12:25.31 | Elirips | Is it possible to force a file to have certain user:groups, even if its deleted and re-created? |
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| 12:25.49 | ompaul | Elirips: you are backing things up, use root |
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| 12:26.06 | jaami | thanks for help |
| 12:26.09 | Elirips | ompaul, hm.. thats what I wanted to avoid |
| 12:26.21 | tremon | use setgid on the directory |
| 12:26.28 | hke | Elirips: cronjob to chown the file regularly? |
| 12:26.37 | hke | actually, tremon is right. |
| 12:26.55 | ompaul | Elirips: why on earth would you want to avoid that rsync -ave ssh /back/this/up user@backup.server.other.place |
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| 12:27.51 | ompaul | crontab with full paths to scripts that work ftw |
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| 12:28.50 | tremon | Elirips: if your backups fail if a file has incorrect ownership, while the tool (webservice) doesn't fail in that case, your backup is broken |
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| 12:29.26 | Daulity | what do I do when my rootfs is full ? |
| 12:29.28 | Elirips | tremon, yes, thats what I see right now from the mail from crontab |
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| 12:29.44 | Daulity | /dev/sda1 323M 317M 0 100% / |
| 12:30.10 | ompaul | Daulity: paste df -h into http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:30.20 | tremon | Daulity: start over, this time using sane partition sizes (and that means not using the installer's defaults) |
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| 12:30.32 | Elirips | ompaul, the backup scripts do some "complex" operations with dumping/hotcoyping/bzip'ing/moving things around, etc. I just dont want that a script-error will break the system because it runs with too much rights |
| 12:30.35 | sharky | Elirips, or add the user that executes rsync to that www-data group so that is can read those file if they have permission 770 |
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| 12:31.25 | Daulity | http://paste.debian.net/63673/ |
| 12:31.30 | sharky | your "backup" use should be in both groups www-data and serviceUser |
| 12:31.40 | Daulity | tremon: kinda hoping I can fix it without a reinstall |
| 12:31.40 | Elirips | well, thanks everyone for the hints. I'll try setgid or maybe add the backup-user to www-data. |
| 12:31.54 | Elirips | sharky, yes, that would maybe be the easiest solution |
| 12:31.57 | Daulity | tremon: what is a sane partition size ? |
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| 12:32.23 | sharky | Elirips, your backup user should be in both groups |
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| 12:34.05 | tremon | Daulity: I'd say, anything between 2 and 10G if you want to keep the /-/usr split, or 8-20G if you merge the two partitions. But I'm pretty certain opinions vary on those sizes |
| 12:34.53 | ompaul | Daulity: I'd do 30G for / and the rest home |
| 12:35.13 | tremon | (referring to the size of the / partition, obviously /usr requires 6-10G in the former case) |
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| 12:35.37 | ompaul | Daulity: and use lvm --- don't ask why just do it later on when you need to adjust you can add space using lvm |
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| 12:36.38 | Daulity | ok |
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| 12:38.32 | Daulity | another question how do I find out what ip my computer assigns to a router ? |
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| 12:41.13 | tremon | your computer shouldn't be assigning ip addresses to routers |
| 12:41.45 | sharky | :D |
| 12:42.04 | sharky | Daulity, did your computer hack some router? |
| 12:44.40 | dutchfish | Daulity, if your computer has a static address assigned it will normally be caught by your router through arp resolution/querying |
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| 12:45.21 | Daulity | tremon: yes it should I am using my laptop as access point |
| 12:46.00 | dutchfish | Daulity, normally there is only 1 dhcp server for any given subnet, be aware of that |
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| 12:47.15 | dutchfish | Daulity, so either your access point does dhcp relaying, or it acts as the only 1 dhcp server in your net; then you have to disable your routers dhcp server. There can nly be 1. |
| 12:47.17 | Daulity | dutchfish: yes I know :) |
| 12:47.31 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:47.47 | tremon | Daulity: what I meant was that routers should have static ip addresses, and even if the router does allow you to configure it otherwise, it's a very bad idea unless you use only ipv6 |
| 12:48.17 | dutchfish | tremon, unless you use RIP protocol |
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| 12:48.55 | Daulity | anyway how do I find what ip My laptop gave the router ? |
| 12:49.11 | Daulity | (cause I can't acces it if I don't know it's ip ?) |
| 12:49.32 | dutchfish | Daulity, consult your routers dhcp address list or find out on the box itself |
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| 12:50.21 | dutchfish | Daulity, i am not talking address reservation yet? |
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| 12:51.05 | tremon | that question presupposes a) that you have installed some dhcp server on your laptop, in which case we need to know which one (dnsmasq, isc dhcp, other?) and b) that your router is configured in dhcp mode, which most routers don't even allow you to do |
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| 12:51.20 | tremon | dhcp mode =~ dhcp client mode |
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| 12:52.16 | dutchfish | Daulity, you can also take a peak at the arp cache |
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| 12:53.52 | taccpen | Hi. I run debian7.2 in vmware workstation9. Should I use the package open-vm-tools from repository or the special "Install VMWare Tools" option in VMWare workstation gui? |
| 12:54.05 | [E]sc | how can i extract frames from a gif using ffmpeg? looking online they only give the other way, creating gif from single frames. |
| 12:54.10 | taccpen | the open-vm-tools looks several years old |
| 12:54.49 | hke | [E]sc: i don't think ffmpeg is the right tool for this, its for video editing and gifs aren't videos. google imagemagick |
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| 12:55.20 | [E]sc | thanks hke |
| 12:55.22 | dutchfish | [E]sc, http://tipstrickshowtos.blogspot.nl/2011/08/tips-tricks-create-animated-gif-from.html |
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| 12:56.04 | [E]sc | thanks dutchfish that's what i'm trying to accomplish! |
| 12:56.10 | dutchfish | yw |
| 12:57.06 | abrotman | taccpen: i'd probably try the package first |
| 12:58.11 | taccpen | abrotman: what is your reasoning for that if I may ask? |
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| 13:00.13 | dutchfish | taccpen, i think you are better of asking this in #vmware, the tools are indeed quiet dated and not neccesary for basic functionality, but it depends on your needs |
| 13:00.35 | abrotman | taccpen: it'd be managed by the package manager, isntead of random files on the OS |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | taccpen: it's also been tested with the OS |
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| 13:04.44 | taccpen | ok, I'll give a try to open-vm-tools first. Seems like it should be easy to remove afterwards in case it does not work and install the other vmware tools. |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | right |
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| 13:36.15 | sadwolf | hi there |
| 13:38.39 | alonzoh | sadwolf: heyo |
| 13:39.04 | sadwolf | alonzoh hi! |
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| 13:39.30 | sadwolf | I m looking for a little help |
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| 13:39.58 | sadwolf | about debian testing, will the fgrlx package return? |
| 13:40.36 | sadwolf | I m getting a lot of graphic errors with the opensource drivers |
| 13:42.52 | alonzoh | sadwolf: has it gone somewhere? |
| 13:42.53 | Flos | sadwolf, what video card? and what driver? |
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| 13:44.01 | sadwolf | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7420G] |
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| 13:44.27 | sadwolf | i'm running radeon opensource drivers |
| 13:44.37 | alonzoh | you said |
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| 13:45.29 | sadwolf | cause when i installed the system there where a package called "fgrlx-driver" |
| 13:45.38 | sadwolf | *there were |
| 13:45.50 | alonzoh | right |
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| 13:46.18 | sadwolf | last week I have updated the system ( main updates: kernel and xorg ) |
| 13:46.45 | alonzoh | oh indeed, it's missing from testing, how odd |
| 13:46.57 | sadwolf | yes :( |
| 13:46.58 | kelpie | I want to shape traffic on Debian system to assign min/max bandwidth per service, what's the best approach on that? |
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| 13:48.12 | alonzoh | sadwolf: well the package from stable or unstable should work, or in a pinch, from upstream |
| 13:49.07 | sadwolf | so I download the package separately from the unstable branch? |
| 13:49.18 | alonzoh | you could |
| 13:49.22 | alonzoh | there's probably a better way, though |
| 13:50.24 | sadwolf | cause I read somewhere that the amd "stable" version iis not compatible with actual debian xorg version 1.14 |
| 13:51.01 | alonzoh | are you using X 1.14? |
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| 13:51.26 | sadwolf | X.Org X Server 1.14.3 |
| 13:51.36 | sadwolf | this came from the update of the last week |
| 13:51.49 | alonzoh | well that could be a problem =) |
| 13:51.59 | sadwolf | XD yep |
| 13:52.34 | sadwolf | and after that how does the package pinning works? |
| 13:52.45 | sadwolf | I mean after restoring the driver I want to |
| 13:52.53 | sadwolf | block the kernel and the xorg server |
| 13:53.02 | sadwolf | to avoid this kind of problem in the future |
| 13:53.17 | alonzoh | https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Pinning |
| 13:54.55 | sadwolf | uhm pinning a package will pin it dependency? |
| 13:55.03 | sadwolf | *its |
| 13:55.48 | alonzoh | dunno |
| 13:55.52 | sadwolf | I mean it's enough to pin the main xorg package or do i need to pin all xorg-* packages? |
| 13:56.02 | sadwolf | :'( |
| 13:56.56 | alonzoh | someone else will know |
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| 14:21.28 | taccpen | Is it current best practice to leave root password empty to disable the root user and instead use sudo to elevate? |
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| 14:22.05 | uovobw | not sure if _best_ practice, but good practice |
| 14:22.47 | alonzoh | taccpen: it seems to have been adopted since squeeze https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 14:23.04 | alonzoh | it is of course an abuse of sudo's purpose =P |
| 14:23.37 | DrivenMad | good lord, why does it disco from channel so much |
| 14:23.47 | alonzoh | why indeed |
| 14:23.54 | DrivenMad | :) |
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| 14:32.13 | Guest55521 | Muhahaha !! figured out the discos.. my VM of openwrt i built is bridged to the main inets connection on this system, and its set to the same ip as the lan sid of the router.. go figure :) |
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| 14:44.50 | taccpen | Is there any reason to not use LVM as the partitioning method on a new installation of debian7? I don't see anything on the wiki. |
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| 14:45.36 | alonzoh | taccpen: it's good if you want to change around your partition setup later on |
| 14:45.40 | alonzoh | or for certain encryption approaches |
| 14:46.07 | alonzoh | the former is less and less important as time goes by |
| 14:46.25 | alonzoh | or for anyone with foresight |
| 14:46.28 | dvs | there's alwas partimage for that. |
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| 14:47.10 | taccpen | ok thank you for the answers :) |
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| 14:47.23 | alonzoh | or, you can do certain other disk abstractions with it |
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| 14:47.30 | alonzoh | but mostly it isn't very necessary |
| 14:47.36 | pederindi | hi, debian at installation adviced my that a hardware need non-free module, but now I don't know what hardware is. How to make another detection when the system is installed ? |
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| 14:48.34 | dvs | pederindi: maybe try your /var/log/messages file |
| 14:48.47 | pederindi | dvs: or dmesg also? |
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| 14:48.58 | dvs | pederindi: Chances are it's either your video card or your wireless card (if you have one |
| 14:48.59 | pederindi | dvs: /var/log/messages is all logs of the system? |
| 14:49.21 | dvs | pederindi: not all, but most of the start up messages |
| 14:49.32 | pederindi | ok, I ran again the installation and I got it |
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| 14:52.04 | zophy | is there a utility that can analyse my firefox history and display what i do with my browser i.e. times , places, duration.. |
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| 14:52.34 | dvs | reviews zophy's browsing history |
| 14:52.44 | troubled1 | I am installing apache2 package and aptitude/installer is stuck at restarting apache2 service. check http://pastebin.com/mgfx3sY2 |
| 14:52.54 | troubled1 | Could someone help me with that? |
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| 14:55.43 | dvs | troubled1: I'd look in the /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 14:56.42 | troubled1 | [Sun Nov 03 14:41:56 2013] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 14:56.42 | troubled1 | [Sun Nov 03 14:42:00 2013] [notice] SIGUSR1 received. Doing graceful restart |
| 14:56.42 | troubled1 | [Sun Nov 03 14:42:00 2013] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 14:56.43 | troubled1 | [Sun Nov 03 14:42:00 2013] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
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| 14:57.49 | Maerz | Greetings |
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| 14:59.41 | troubled_1 | sorry...my bad... |
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| 15:00.49 | troubled_1 | http://pastebin.com/hkvHtFmN |
| 15:01.05 | troubled_1 | i get sigterm.. |
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| 15:02.30 | troubled_1 | ok.../etc/init.d/apache2 restart helped. |
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| 15:05.03 | dvs | service apache2 restart! |
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| 15:19.23 | KBme | hello |
| 15:19.51 | KBme | can anyone tell me why a dist-upgrade with this /etc/apt/preferences.d/pin http://sprunge.us/SRCB wants to upgrade a bunch of packages to jessie? |
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| 15:29.09 | dvs | he |
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| 15:31.02 | zykotick9 | KBme: honestly, i'd say mixing stable/testing/sid at a binary level is a TERRIBLE idea. see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" for confirmation, and "/msg dpkg ssb" for how to do backports yourself. |
| 15:31.42 | Kuba | is there an app to update timezone based on geo IP? |
| 15:32.18 | KBme | zykotick9, well never mind, it needs newlines between different blocks |
| 15:32.21 | dvs | Geo IP? What's wrong with "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 15:33.00 | Kuba | dvs: I want it happen automatically |
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| 15:33.23 | daemonkeeper | "dear GeoIP, what's the time zone of 192.168.0.1" |
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| 15:33.35 | dvs | heh |
| 15:33.51 | Kuba | if you travel a lot that can help |
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| 15:35.10 | zykotick9 | dvs: i'd suggest the idea of changing the computer's clock like that, is going to lead to some issues... |
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| 15:35.29 | dvs | zykotick9: agreed |
| 15:35.29 | zykotick9 | tab fail, the was for Kuba |
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| 15:35.57 | KBme | is there a way to set a timezone for a user? |
| 15:35.58 | Kuba | zykotick9: what kind of issues? |
| 15:36.29 | KBme | Kuba, the filesystem will be very unhappy if it travels back in time |
| 15:36.53 | Kuba | this is just changing the timezone |
| 15:36.57 | Kuba | not the clock |
| 15:37.06 | zykotick9 | Kuba: ntpd goes to great length to make time changes as subtle as possible, and your suggesting having the clock change based on the computers current location. timestamps would be "all over the place". |
| 15:37.10 | dvs | ...which goes back to locales |
| 15:37.19 | mumpitzel | KBme: you can set the TZ environment variable, yes |
| 15:37.27 | KBme | ah, there you go |
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| 15:39.21 | Kuba | zykotick9: isn't chaning clock different than chaning timezone? |
| 15:39.58 | Kuba | most of the apps, I presume, use epoch anyway |
| 15:39.59 | dvs | Kuba: Most programs don't take timeone into consideration. |
| 15:40.03 | Kuba | aa |
| 15:40.15 | Kuba | you see |
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| 15:40.32 | dvs | s/timeone/timezone |
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| 15:40.45 | sunbeam | where can I find the default /etc/networking/interfaces file? |
| 15:41.02 | mumpitzel | sunbeam: it's created, and there cannot be a default |
| 15:41.14 | dvs | sunbeam: auto lo; iface lo loopback; |
| 15:41.17 | mumpitzel | sunbeam: every system has a different network setup |
| 15:41.26 | mumpitzel | dvs: that's the minimal one, but not default |
| 15:41.26 | Kuba | mumpitzel: then how would you recreate it? |
| 15:41.35 | mumpitzel | Kuba: with an editor |
| 15:41.56 | tormen_ | Hi. Hmm, this drives me nuts. I can't login, I don't see anything in auth.log, I don't see anything in vsftpd.log, nor in syslog. Ususually the way to debug vsftpd is with log_ftp_protocol=YES, right? - And I do have xferlog_std_format=NO, dual_log_enable=NO, syslog=NO -- And /var/log/vsftpd.log gets created, but stays empty ?! |
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| 15:43.00 | sunbeam | dvs: thanks |
| 15:43.59 | dvs | sunbeam: I think that second line should read "iface lo inet loopback" |
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| 15:44.55 | mumpitzel | sunbeam: man interfaces |
| 15:45.05 | mumpitzel | and https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 15:46.14 | brick | i think i accidentally compiled my modules in the wrong format; trying to insert one i get this: init_module(0x7febb7a7e000, 975483, "") = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error) ... i just compiled these modules and file(1) says they are "ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64", which jives with the output of uname -a .... what am i missing? |
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| 15:52.08 | zykotick9 | brick: is your userland 64bit as well? "dpkg --print-architecture" |
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| 15:55.51 | brick | thank you zykotick9 ! it's amd64. uname says the kernel is x86_64. i suppose i need to recompile both kernel and modules to match the installed packages then. |
| 15:56.06 | brick | i appreciate that mention of --print-architecture, never saw that before |
| 15:56.40 | zykotick9 | brick: ahhh, amd64 is x86_64 so both match |
| 15:56.44 | brick | ?!?! |
| 15:57.04 | brick | did intel not have their own 64 bit arch? |
| 15:57.26 | dvs | yes, Itanium |
| 15:57.31 | zykotick9 | they where just 2nd in the race, so had to use AMD's name ;) must drive intel crazy. |
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| 15:58.45 | brick | i remember reading about this years ago... |
| 15:59.04 | brick | so x64-64 (file), x64_64 (uname), and amd64 (dpkg) are NOT in conflict with each other? |
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| 16:02.15 | mumpitzel | brick: thoes are all the same arch. ia64 is a different arch and is itanium |
| 16:02.29 | mumpitzel | brick: all consumer cpus use amd64, no exception |
| 16:02.50 | brick | OK, sounds good, thanks mumpitzel. |
| 16:03.17 | brick | if that wasn't the issue, why else would i be unable to insert modules? i get ENOEXEC (Exec format error) |
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| 16:04.19 | mumpitzel | more info needed. what module. what does "file <module.ko>" say, what does modinfo say, etc |
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| 16:05.20 | brick | /lib/modules/3.4.4/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), BuildID[sha1]=0x2b96742a7a5adfa74f561c25028f29f788fbb8b1, not stripped |
| 16:05.40 | mumpitzel | and you run what kernel? |
| 16:06.04 | brick | filename: /lib/modules/3.4.4/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko,alias: iso9660,license: GPL,depends: ,intree: Y,vermagic: 3.4.4 SMP preempt mod_unload modversions |
| 16:06.13 | brick | Linux firecat 3.4.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 6 17:39:34 PDT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:06.26 | mumpitzel | a debian kernel |
| 16:06.28 | Cylta | Hi. How to make awesome(I have it installed) as my default WM? current GNOME is slow as hell. |
| 16:06.35 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 16:06.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 16:07.21 | ompaul | Cylta: on the login screen choose awesome and tell it to be default on the way in |
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| 16:07.42 | Cylta | it does not show awesome in that list. |
| 16:07.43 | brick | /etc/debian_version says wheezy/sid. i'm not sure what else to check |
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| 16:08.11 | brick | mumpitzel, it's possible i don't have any kernel package installed, isn't it? |
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| 16:08.37 | mumpitzel | brick: this is a self compiled kernel. I suggest you run a normal sid kernel. it's impossible to check if your isofs.ko file got corrupted (e.g. a bad sector on hdd or filesystem corruption) |
| 16:08.57 | mumpitzel | brick: yes, if you compiled your own kernel you might have no kernel package installed |
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| 16:09.54 | brick | mumpitzel, i compiled the isofs.ko yesterday and i get the same error inserting other modules, so i doubt it's been corrupted |
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| 16:10.19 | mumpitzel | brick: you probably used a different compiler for example |
| 16:10.31 | mumpitzel | also, isofs.ko is in the default debian kernel |
| 16:10.41 | brick | interesting |
| 16:10.48 | MO_Handes | what is the appropriate partition size for root? if I'm only creating a partition for /home separately? is 14gb enough? |
| 16:10.58 | julius_ | hi |
| 16:11.05 | mumpitzel | MO_Handes: it depends what you want to store. 14GB should be fine however |
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| 16:11.07 | brick | you think upgrading gcc in the interim could have been the culprit, mumpitzel ? |
| 16:11.08 | bezoka | hi |
| 16:11.13 | bezoka | I have problem with bumblebeed |
| 16:11.25 | julius_ | ive set send host-name "<hostname>"; in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf but after reboot, the router still doenst know about the systems hostname...why? |
| 16:12.14 | mumpitzel | brick: yes. the modules must be compiled with the same gcc as the kernel itself |
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| 16:12.49 | brick | mumpitzel, OK. i'm not sure that i upgraded gcc since making the kernel, but that seems the most likely. i will recompile the kernel itself then. |
| 16:12.54 | brick | thank you for the guidance!!! |
| 16:13.21 | mumpitzel | brick: this time create a proper .deb kernel packags please |
| 16:13.41 | mumpitzel | brick: and use a long term support kernel version. but ideally you should just install a debian kernel |
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| 16:15.09 | brick | i've always found the debian kernel packaging more confusing than hand-rolling them... i know it's not ideal |
| 16:15.25 | mumpitzel | what's confusing? |
| 16:15.38 | mumpitzel | the point of a .deb is: you can uninstall it. a make install kernel you can't |
| 16:16.04 | brick | i just don't understand it. why would i ever uninstall a kernel? |
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| 16:16.10 | brick | i just make a newer, better one. |
| 16:16.32 | brick | that said, i wish i conformed more with the project norms, yes |
| 16:16.37 | mumpitzel | cause it takes up diskspace for no reason |
| 16:17.28 | mumpitzel | brick: instead of "make bzImage" run "make deb-pkg" on your kernel source. it will create a .deb then |
| 16:17.50 | brick | OK, what else has to be different? |
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| 16:17.54 | brick | that step is easy... |
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| 16:18.14 | mumpitzel | nothing. you then install the .deb of course |
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| 16:18.55 | brick | does this mean i have to get the source in .deb form as well? |
| 16:19.29 | brick | looks up the newest version |
| 16:20.08 | mumpitzel | brick: no. you can get the source from kernel.org as normally |
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| 16:20.54 | Cylta | is there any applet for network manager? |
| 16:21.05 | brick | OK. mumpitzel, thanks for your help. i am trying to do it in the debian-compliant fashion. |
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| 16:21.36 | brick | will make deb-pkg handle the built modules too? |
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| 16:21.46 | mtn | Cylta: yes, and it is usually installed along with network manager |
| 16:22.19 | Cylta | mtn: what's it name? |
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| 16:23.04 | Cylta | mtn: there is something heavily attached to gnome only... is there anything else? previously it's called nm-applet. now there is nothing in repositories like that. |
| 16:23.22 | khaotik | Do I need to do something special to install debian on msata drive? |
| 16:23.34 | mtn | Cylta: I think that is still it's name and it comes with nm. |
| 16:23.59 | mtn | Cylta: yep, still called nm-applet |
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| 16:24.38 | Cylta | mtn: bash: nm-applet: command not found ---- E: Unable to locate package nm-applet |
| 16:25.13 | mtn | Cylta: I suspect it is in: network-manager-gnome. In the future you can use: http://packages.debian.org to find things like this |
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| 16:26.52 | mtn | Cylta: kde has it's own version, too |
| 16:27.00 | DomaMuffin | can you tell me what to put under os-variant in KVM for wheezy ( man page gives examples as" debiansqueze" and "debianlenny")? Will i break anything if i use "debianwheezy" ? |
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| 16:27.24 | Cylta | mtn: okay, it weight 8mb, and i'm downloading it.. |
| 16:27.37 | Cylta | mtn: can I use KDE's nm applet separately? |
| 16:28.14 | mtn | Cylta: not sure, but don't see why you couldn't, but I would use the gnome one unless you are using kde in the first place. |
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| 16:31.32 | Cylta | mtn: ohh, thanks. network-manager-gnome enables nm-applet. |
| 16:31.39 | mtn | Cylta: nice |
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| 16:54.21 | bezoka | hi I have problem with my bumblebee ( I have nvidia optimus) - [Error]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) [drm] KMS not enabled |
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| 16:56.42 | g105b | How do I upgrade libc to version 2.17? Installed on wheezy is only 2.13 |
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| 16:58.07 | zykotick9 | !bot |
| 16:58.07 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:58.28 | g105b | Please can someone help me resolve this problem: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found |
| 17:00.39 | emss | build from source or use a version of the software from the repositories for wheezy? |
| 17:00.44 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: What are you trying to install, and from where? |
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| 17:01.50 | g105b | I'm trying to run cgminer, from https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer |
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| 17:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: libc is pretty much the foundation of a release. Wheezy is going to be 2.14. You need to either rebuild the software to use the older library or move to a different release/distribution for your project. |
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| 17:04.42 | g105b | jhutchins_wk: I see, so as this box is purely used for testing purposes, I can upgrade wheezy to the testing branch by changing all "wheezy" references to "jessie" in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:05.23 | jhutchins_wk | !wheezy->jessie |
| 17:05.54 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: Seems we don't have the factiod yet. Yes, that's the basic, but check the website for known issues. |
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| 17:06.19 | g105b | thanks |
| 17:06.50 | jhutchins_wk | !wheezy->jessie |
| 17:06.51 | emss | might just be easier to build the package from source ... |
| 17:07.08 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: Wake up! |
| 17:07.09 | dpkg | jhutchins_wk: I'm already awake! :) |
| 17:07.22 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
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| 17:09.04 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: learn how to use the bot :) |
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| 17:14.19 | tortal | hey, win32 user here. ive alwyas dual-booted or virtualized some linux - now i haven't dont more than sshing to debian servers latest years... all this ubuntu stuff, seems to come a long with a long of crap. i mainly use linux for development/progamming.. i a tip for a distro, preferebly debian since im used to it but with convinience tools for programmers |
| 17:14.52 | tortal | i want* a tip* |
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| 17:17.32 | jhutchins_wk | Debian is best as a stable platform for people who use the computer to accomplish things, rather than tinkering with the computer itself. It can sometimes be a disadvantage because the packages are mature and not the latest cutting edge versions, but that means you can be compatible with a broader range of platforms. |
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| 17:20.08 | ytrezq | Hello, There are big problems with the qemu-user-static packages (I've tried all version including stable). When I use qemu-mips-static (even without binfmt), certain mips program make incorect compute. for example when I use '4 * _exp(-0.5)/_srqt(2.0)' make python complaining about div by 0. When I ask time of subprograms to gcc with -time, it print nan serveral times (nan~=not a number). Many programs simply crash. I' |
| 17:20.09 | ytrezq | ve tested the rootfs on real hardware. May someone can help please (2x)? |
| 17:20.50 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: just wanted to say, I liked and shared your debian quote above. |
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| 17:24.47 | fbsd | hi |
| 17:24.49 | fbsd | arc\032de\032triomphe.wp.dg.cx text = "thumb|The Arc de Triomphe from the Place Charles de Gaullethumb|The Arc de Triomphe is located on Paris's historique, a large perspective that runs from the Louvre to the Arche de la D\195\169fense.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_de_Triomphe" |
| 17:25.01 | fbsd | i need to translate this to utf8 please |
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| 17:28.46 | luky | hello, I'am trying to configure the linux netfilter l7-filter. how can i use l7-filter in addition to qos? right now i have a simple tc script with 5 classes of traffic and with ports instead of applications. but i want for example to replace the port with the application name |
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| 17:30.31 | ytrezq | fbsd: tu obtiendra plus d'aide sur #wikipedia or #wikipedia-fr-accueil |
| 17:30.41 | ytrezq | fbsd: tu obtiendras plus d'aide sur #wikipedia or #wikipedia-fr-accueil |
| 17:31.22 | tormen_ | Hi. How can I strace vsftpd ? strace -f vsftpd /etc/vsftpd.conf hangs "waiting for parent" :( |
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| 17:32.21 | tormen_ | And/or what could be the problem when a local user login with vsftpd fails even though pam authentication passes ? |
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| 17:33.00 | fbsd | ytrezq: au fait mas question c'est comment transformer cela http://www.tamasoft.co.jp/en/general-info/unicode-decimal.html |
| 17:33.05 | fbsd | de forme automatique |
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| 17:33.43 | fbsd | en ayant les valeurs decimales |
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| 17:43.17 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 17:43.17 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 17:50.29 | ExeciN | Is there a way to disable the screensaver countdown when Me TV is in focus? (I am using xfce) |
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| 17:54.50 | sharky | ExeciN, there is xscreensaver program, you can disable screensaver with it if that is your wish |
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| 17:55.17 | sharky | I don't know what you mean by "countdown" |
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| 17:56.07 | tormen_ | Hi. Could someone help me with local user login and vsftp ? |
| 17:56.29 | ExeciN | sharky: I don't want the screensaver to interrupt me when Me TV is focused (on top) |
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| 17:57.01 | bludoku | hello, what type in terminal to create new standard user? (no privileges) |
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| 17:57.29 | jhutchins | ExeciN: Me TV needs to talk to the xserver and let it know it's not idle. |
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| 17:58.05 | ExeciN | jhutchins: can I do the talking just by checking if Me TV is focused? |
| 17:58.10 | jhutchins | bludoku: Do you want a different answer than you got last time? |
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| 17:58.24 | jhutchins | ExeciN: It depends on what Me TV can do. |
| 17:58.29 | bludoku | :) want to know if it's the same for debian |
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| 17:59.19 | ExeciN | jhutchins: I wouldn't rely on Me TV I would see if xfce reports what window is focused |
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| 18:00.05 | jhutchins | ExeciN: The problem is that xfce can't tell there is activity in the focused window. That's up to the application to provide the info. |
| 18:00.30 | bludoku | jhutchins: is it the same for debian and ubuntu? |
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| 18:01.00 | ExeciN | jhutchins: I don't mind if there is activity or not |
| 18:01.21 | zinx | ExeciN: you can monitor focusin/focusout events with any window manager |
| 18:01.36 | jhutchins | bludoku: Almost all linuxes have both adduser and useradd, but sometimes one is just a symlink to the other. adduser usually does a more scripted job of user setup, useradd just creates the user. |
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| 18:02.21 | bludoku | bludoku: so no difference between debian and ubuntu for this, correct? |
| 18:02.34 | sharky | tormen_, what is going on? |
| 18:02.44 | jhutchins | ExeciN: I would look at the Me TV support resources to see what other users have done. |
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| 18:02.51 | bludoku | like talking to myself :) |
| 18:03.02 | bludoku | jhutchins: so no difference between debian and ubuntu for this, correct? |
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| 18:03.11 | taccpen | Hi. During installation of debian7.2 I did not select "Standard system utilities" to install, and now after installation when I do tasksel --list-tasks it does not display the standard system utilities. How can I find out what those standard system utilities were? |
| 18:03.13 | jhutchins | bludoku: Look and see. |
| 18:03.16 | taccpen | e.g. I don't even have less |
| 18:03.30 | jhutchins | bludoku: which addduser, which useradd, man adduser, man useradd |
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| 18:03.56 | jhutchins | bludoku: Generally you are safe to use use adduser consistently across distros. |
| 18:04.10 | bludoku | ok, thanks |
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| 18:05.35 | ompaul | taccpen: try apt-get install tasksel tasksel-data |
| 18:05.45 | ompaul | taccpen: after an apt-get update |
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| 18:06.23 | taccpen | ompaul: both are already their newest versions |
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| 18:07.26 | ompaul | taccpen: run tasksel |
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| 18:08.06 | taccpen | ompaul: I ran tasksel |
| 18:08.12 | tormen_ | sharky: I think there is a bug in vsftpd... sort of |
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| 18:08.37 | ompaul | taccpen: after an apt-get update |
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| 18:08.55 | tormen_ | sharky: it's either the "." in the username or the length of the password that makes a login via vsftpd fail... |
| 18:09.05 | taccpen | ompaul: I did, no change. |
| 18:09.21 | mojzesz | hi all from now my trident graphic card problem is solved |
| 18:09.23 | tormen_ | sharky: (length of the password is fine for linux though) |
| 18:09.49 | mojzesz | it only want to be upgraded from 6 to7 |
| 18:10.14 | bezaban | taccpen: you should be able to do aptitude install ~pstandard ~pimportant ~prequired |
| 18:10.15 | sharky | tormen_, hm, it may be, but that you can test and verify easily, just create another user with password w/ the dot |
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| 18:10.18 | taccpen | ompaul: I am trying to build a minimal system, so I did not select anything to install and then wanted to use the output of tasksel as something to look through to know what to individually install |
| 18:10.26 | bezaban | less is in ~pstandard |
| 18:10.29 | mojzesz | i was stupid that i didn't think eariel |
| 18:10.31 | ompaul | taccpen: then you don't want tasksel |
| 18:10.40 | ompaul | taccpen: happy apt-get install package at a time |
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| 18:11.35 | taccpen | ompaul: ok, will do that. From a security perspective, there is nothing that I am missing by not having selected the standard system utilities, right? |
| 18:11.39 | ompaul | taccpen: apt-cache search is your friend start with plasma and gnome3 and see what you want |
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| 18:11.55 | tormen_ | sharky: yes, sorry, after asking for help I FINALLY got it to work ... of course now that's what I'll do :) |
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| 18:12.39 | sharky | tormen_, its good when it works, ;) |
| 18:12.59 | ompaul | taccpen: lots, a lot of time spend messing around trying to get it to work, whereas giving it a moderate amount of disk and taking "the sensible defaults" seems to me to be a handy option, it's not like every program that installs runs at the same time |
| 18:13.04 | tormen_ | sharky: so it IS the length of the password :( |
| 18:13.25 | tormen_ | sharky: should that be a bug, if debian allows / can-handle a passowrd of length X and vsftpd can't ? |
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| 18:15.31 | taccpen | I think I got around it by issuing "tasksel --task-packages standard" even though there was no reference to "standard" anywhere when running tasksel |
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| 18:16.08 | jhutchins | tormen_: Part of the security of vsftpd is that isolates the system users from the ftp users. |
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| 18:17.47 | tormen_ | jhutchins: but with local_enable=yes, by default the debian vsftpd package uses PAM to authenticate so it needs a local user |
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| 18:19.28 | tormen_ | jhutchins: all I can tell a user with a password length of 258 chars is no problem for a debian login, but vsftpd with local_enable=yes and pam can't handle it ... even though I do NOT see a pam error message in auth.log ... so it seems to fail somewhere silently within vsftpd, which is why it took me so long :/ |
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| 18:19.58 | abrotman | tormen_: there is a #vsftpd IIRC |
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| 18:20.39 | tormen_ | abrotman: yeah, I am posting in parallel there, but no response since hours. |
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| 18:21.06 | abrotman | tormen_: and have you checked the BTS? |
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| 18:21.18 | tormen_ | abrotman: BTS? |
| 18:21.25 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/vsftpd |
| 18:21.32 | tormen_ | abrotman: ah :) |
| 18:21.34 | jhutchins | I would think that if vsftpd has a password length limit it would be documented. |
| 18:21.54 | tormen_ | jhutchins: good point, let me check |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | might also be a bug tagged wontfix |
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| 18:24.49 | tormen_ | jhutchins: not that I can see |
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| 18:25.38 | tormen_ | abrotman: checking that too :) |
| 18:25.58 | ytrezq | debhelper: do you want to empty the chan? Why? |
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| 18:29.05 | ytrezq | otherwise how the qemu-user-static package can get fixed? |
| 18:29.18 | ytrezq | (for the mip target) |
| 18:29.25 | ytrezq | (for the mips target) |
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| 18:40.36 | spal | I have a php script <?php sleep(10) ?>. I run it in background: php sleep.php &. I see that the process terminates immediately after starting. Why is that? |
| 18:40.56 | spal | if I execute it in foreground: php sleep.php, then it runs fine for 10 seconds. |
| 18:41.21 | mumpitzel | cause it runs sleep(10) and exits. you need to do it in a endless loop instead |
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| 18:41.41 | mumpitzel | while (1) do sleep(10) or so |
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| 18:43.16 | spal | mumpitzel, the script doesn't run for 10 seconds. it runs for less than a second. |
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| 18:44.08 | person | after dist-upgrading debian unstable I can't mount devices nor shut down the computer from xfce anymore. What can be the problem? groups says cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev scanner bluetooth debian-tor stapdev stapusr stapsys network |
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| 18:44.31 | spal | mumpitzel, I execute: php sleep.php &. Then I press enter, I see this: [6] 17041. Then I press enter again very quickly, and I see this: [6]+ Stopped php sleep.php |
| 18:44.38 | spal | why does it terminate in less than a second? |
| 18:46.27 | mjt | "stopped" != "terminated" |
| 18:46.31 | sjamaan | spal: If it's a full script, perhaps it's trying to write to the terminal |
| 18:47.37 | spal | sjamaan, It's a one line script: <?php sleep(10) ?> |
| 18:48.10 | sjamaan | It's HTML with embedded PHP |
| 18:48.11 | spal | mjt, yes, "Done" == "terminated". My script was paused. and executing fg brought it foreground |
| 18:48.30 | sjamaan | So maybe it's attempting to echo the HTML (even if it's "empty") |
| 18:48.49 | mjt | or more likely to read input |
| 18:49.03 | sjamaan | yeah, that's possible too |
| 18:49.09 | spal | sjamaan, why can I not reproduce the same behaviour with a shell script: echo hi; sleep 10; |
| 18:49.31 | spal | sjamaan, in this case sh sleep.sh & runs for 10 seconds and then reports "Done" |
| 18:49.31 | sjamaan | Because shell is intended for batch operations, and doesn't expect a webserver around it |
| 18:49.37 | spal | okay |
| 18:49.44 | sjamaan | Maybe try php -f, that makes it behave more like a script |
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| 18:50.28 | sjamaan | Or explicitly close stdin, to see if that's the cause |
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| 18:51.06 | spal | no luck with -f |
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| 18:51.32 | t0ke | My Debian Wheezy install has started crashing after I log in. How do I use the GUI from recovery? |
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| 18:52.19 | Chousuke | hi. what has happened to the reference SELinux policies in jessie? the selinux-policy-default package etc. are no longer available. |
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| 18:52.53 | brontosaurusrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.03 | Chousuke | is there something useful in another package, or do I need to build my own policies from scratch? |
| 18:53.16 | ytrezq | Again There are big problems with the qemu-user-static packages (I've tried all version including stable). |
| 18:53.23 | ytrezq | When I use qemu-mips-static (even without binfmt), certain mips program make incorect computes. for example using '4 * _exp(-0.5)/_srqt(2.0)' make python complaining about div by 0. When I ask time of subprograms to gcc with -time, it print sevral nans (nan~=not a number). Many programs simply crash. I've tested the rootfs on real hardware. May someone can help please (2 times)? |
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| 18:53.47 | spal | no luck with <?php fclose(STDIN); fclose(STDOUT); fclose(STDERR); sleep(10); ?> as well |
| 18:54.04 | sjamaan | spal: Try php -f foo.php <&- & |
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| 18:54.14 | sjamaan | Maybe it's trying to read outside your script |
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| 18:54.55 | KsM | I have Acquire:CompressionTypes "gz"; in my /etc/apt/apt.conf, but yet when doing an apt-get update I hang a while after getting a "100% [1 Packages bzip2 0 B]" |
| 18:55.27 | KsM | The reason I'm trying to get it to use gz is because it's a small arm device, but apparently it's still using bzip2 |
| 18:56.07 | t0ke | How do I start the gui from recovery mode? |
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| 18:57.39 | Chousuke | oh, looks like the package has been gone for years. That wiki page must be quite outdated :P |
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| 19:26.13 | mosi | I'm preparing to load Debian onto a disk currently running Win7, and I'd like to leave my NTLDR intact and have it chain load a linux bootloader. Does the debian installer support this, or will i have to back up my MBR? |
| 19:26.59 | mumpitzel | you don't have to install a bootloader at all |
| 19:27.14 | mumpitzel | !tell mosi about ig |
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| 19:29.00 | tomatosalad | speaking of bootloaders, the new rEFIned on mac is so beautiful, it detects everything *and* puts the appropriate distro/OS logo on the option |
| 19:29.12 | tomatosalad | now I just need to figure out how to sync my MBR/GPT :| |
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| 19:30.08 | mosi | which reminds me of another question: does debian have a flavor for x86_64? i don't recognize any of the listed processor archs as being that |
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| 19:31.52 | mosi | AMD64 == x86_64? |
| 19:32.07 | tomatosalad | yeah. |
| 19:32.13 | mosi | thanks ^_^ |
| 19:32.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell mosi -about why amd64 |
| 19:32.35 | tomatosalad | but IA_64 != x86_64 |
| 19:32.39 | tomatosalad | ever. |
| 19:32.46 | tomatosalad | dpkg: tell tomatosalad -about why amd64 |
| 19:32.48 | tomatosalad | i'm curious |
| 19:32.49 | mosi | haha ok thank |
| 19:33.01 | tomatosalad | oh, huh |
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| 19:37.15 | russw | Hi all - I'm running wheezy on a VP server and am attempting a basic upgrade. First weird thing is that an update is taking forever. Then my upgrade wants new libnss3 packages (libnss3 libnss3-1d), which are untrusted (cannot be authenticated). |
| 19:37.17 | babilen | tomatosalad: You can message the bot yourself with "/msg dpkg FOO". So to ask it about <why amd64> you would issue the IRC command "/msg dpkg why amd64" |
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| 19:37.32 | tomatosalad | right, right |
| 19:37.49 | russw | given that these are security related packages, is this legit? Should I trust the untrusted here? |
| 19:38.05 | russw | log/info paste here: http://static.inky.ws/text/823 |
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| 19:40.58 | babilen | russw: That's not a wheezy kernel (I guess some bastardized VM whith whatever changes) -- I don't see the error you were referring to, but make sure that you have debian-archive-keyring installed. |
| 19:41.49 | russw | babilen: right - this is an OpenVZ VPS. |
| 19:42.08 | russw | I'll look into debian-archive-keyring. First I've heard of it. Thx. |
| 19:42.14 | babilen | russw: And please do us a favour and don't use ftp.debian.org but one of the many mirrors or metamirrors. http.debian.net is a sensible choice. Otherwise see <mirrors> (/msg dpkg mirrors) |
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| 19:43.03 | russw | babilen: I'll do that too... didn't change that from stock, but that makes sense. |
| 19:43.04 | babilen | russw: It's the keyring that contains the key used to sign packages in the official archives. If you don't have it installed you have a bit of a chicken&egg problem, but you can get around that if you trust *something*. |
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| 19:43.59 | russw | babilen: fwiw, turns out debian-archive-keyring is already installed |
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| 20:04.08 | Evidlo | I was able to get my webcam working by prepending "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l2convert.so", but for some reason this only works for a single snapshot then the image goes black. |
| 20:04.25 | Evidlo | Anyone have any ideas? There's nothing in /var/log/messages |
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| 20:19.34 | aeinrt | Do I need acpid on a debian server? According to the manpage it is a "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon" which doesn't seem to be needed on a server, right? |
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| 20:21.44 | stelle24 | hello, what is the official debian channel IN FRENCH ? |
| 20:21.51 | aeinrt | !fr |
| 20:21.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:22.17 | stelle24 | merci :) |
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| 20:28.23 | pirret | Hello, i just did a fresh install of Debian 7 on my VPS, adter dist-upgrade (using stable sources) i got and error "timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl wheezy" and cannot reboot the server using ssh, so did reboot it from VPS control panel, and server is not accessible anymore. |
| 20:29.22 | pirret | any thoughts what caused this |
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| 20:30.22 | jelly-home | pirret: does your VPS host support wheezy as guest at all? |
| 20:30.26 | stelle24 | what must i install to make .FLV videos work with VLC? |
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| 20:31.40 | pirret | i guess it is since they have it on list where i can pick which OS i intall |
| 20:31.56 | pirret | they have both 32-bit and 64-bit versions there |
| 20:32.01 | stelle24 | (i suppose i must install something, but maybe not) |
| 20:32.12 | pirret | and i did try both..same thing happened every time |
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| 20:32.53 | stelle24 | debian 7.2 lxde |
| 20:33.12 | pirret | just want to know if this is a known problem with debian |
| 20:33.21 | pirret | if not, i will contact support of this vps provider |
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| 20:33.39 | pirret | vps is running on openvz |
| 20:35.09 | jelly-home | pirret: did you try doing a google search on the error message? https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2647 is among the results |
| 20:36.16 | ytrezq | Again: There are big problems with the qemu-user-static packages (I've tried all version including stable). When I use qemu-mips-static (even without binfmt), certain mips program make incorect computes. for example using '4 * _exp(-0.5)/_srqt(2.0)' make python complaining about div by 0. When I ask time of subprograms to gcc with -time, it print sevral nans (nan~=not a number). Many programs simply crash. I've tested the rootfs on real hardware. |
| 20:36.18 | ytrezq | May someone can help please (2 times)? |
| 20:36.32 | jelly-home | pirret: so it looks like a problem with openvz images for debian 7 using a nonstandard /sbin/init |
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| 20:37.49 | stelle24 | somebody? please i have to go soon |
| 20:38.18 | jelly-home | stelle24: mplayer might be able to play those |
| 20:38.55 | zykotick9 | stelle24: VLC doesn't typically use any outside codecs... i'd second jelly-home's mplayer suggestion |
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| 20:39.36 | dinaudic | Buenas tardes |
| 20:39.54 | nkuttler | !es |
| 20:39.55 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 20:42.00 | stelle24 | mplayer, ok thank you. one last question if you permit: when i do disconnect i have many options (arrêter, redémarrer, suspendre, hiberner, se déconnecter, annuler) but i do not have "change user" (without closing current session), how to do this? |
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| 20:43.41 | stelle24 | for example if i have some things working i dont want to stop but i want to change user in the meantime |
| 20:44.23 | mumpitzel | stelle24: open an xterm. su <newuser> |
| 20:44.33 | jelly-home | has no idea where Gnome 3 hides the "Switch User" functionality |
| 20:45.10 | sybariten | whats the first thing i wanna do after i connect an unknown hard drive, if i want to know more about that drive |
| 20:45.21 | sybariten | connecting, as in USB |
| 20:45.23 | cafuego | sybariten: `dmesg' |
| 20:45.46 | mmmax | or lsusb |
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| 20:46.00 | cafuego | lsusb won't tell you any partition info. |
| 20:46.10 | cafuego | dmesg will spit that out, if there is any. |
| 20:46.22 | cafuego | also, any errors :-) |
| 20:46.36 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 20:46.38 | mmmax | true! |
| 20:46.48 | sybariten | cafuego: yeah, well i see that its a WD disk, they call it SCSI, whcih they always do i suppose, and now i know that its on sdb |
| 20:46.50 | stelle24 | this will not end working programs in the current user? also i want new user to be in graphical mode not terminal (sorry im beginner) |
| 20:46.57 | neilthereildeil | i have set up the VPN connection in my gnome network manager |
| 20:47.03 | sybariten | cafuego: should i see anything about the partitions themselves? |
| 20:47.06 | neilthereildeil | so i click on it and select the VPN i wanna connect to |
| 20:47.07 | cafuego | sybariten: *everything* is scsi |
| 20:47.11 | neilthereildeil | how can i do this from the command line? |
| 20:47.40 | cafuego | sybariten: If there are any, it'll show them like [153222.054500] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 <sdb3> |
| 20:47.57 | cafuego | sybariten: that's primary and <extendded> partitions |
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| 20:48.50 | cafuego | If there isn't any, time maybe for 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb' (lists info, does not make changes) |
| 20:49.52 | stelle24 | mumpitzel: also, when you say "open an xterm" you mean open terminal? (please also see previous message i forgot to put your name) |
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| 20:51.28 | sybariten | cafuego: hmm hmm not sure i see anything related to numbers like in your example there. So thus far, its still just sdb. I'll fdisk it then... |
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| 20:52.38 | sybariten | ok so i see an sdb1, sdb2 and sdb3. They seem to be HPFS/NTFS/exFAT whatever that means, ntfs perhaps? |
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| 20:52.51 | sybariten | Is there any way of seeing this block size thing as something humans understand btw? |
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| 20:54.37 | neilthereildeil | any idea? |
| 20:54.47 | neilthereildeil | i need to connect to the VPN from the command line |
| 20:55.07 | neilthereildeil | so i need to know which binary the gnome network manager runs in the background when i tell it to connect to the VPN |
| 20:55.19 | stelle24 | mumpitzel: sorry have to go, but thank you |
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| 20:56.42 | sybariten | neilthereildeil: what do you do to tell gnm to tell it to connect to the vpn |
| 20:57.27 | neilthereildeil | click on the wireless icon in the tray, and click the VPN button which moves the slider from off to on |
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| 20:58.23 | sybariten | hm, ok |
| 20:58.39 | sybariten | im using a cisco vpn now and then but am actually in a similar position to yours |
| 20:58.45 | neilthereildeil | im guessing it would call some other binary on the backend |
| 20:58.46 | sybariten | id like to do it all through console |
| 20:58.58 | neilthereildeil | and that the gnome netwrok manager is just a front end GUI |
| 20:59.03 | anonnumberanon | help |
| 20:59.07 | sybariten | yeah.... theres no way to maybe use ps to analyze whats being started, "momentarily" ? |
| 20:59.18 | anonnumberanon | I try to turn off eth0 and it comes back up |
| 20:59.22 | anonnumberanon | I use sudo ifconfig eth0 down |
| 20:59.25 | neilthereildeil | i know in windows you can use process explorer and pause the disaply |
| 20:59.34 | neilthereildeil | but i dunno how to follow children processes on linuc |
| 20:59.36 | neilthereildeil | linux |
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| 21:01.10 | jelly-home | neilthereildeil: pstree command can be useful there |
| 21:01.27 | nkuttler | neilthereildeil: or ps axf and somesuch |
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| 21:03.01 | neilthereildeil | nice |
| 21:03.01 | neilthereildeil | that was it |
| 21:03.01 | neilthereildeil | nm-pptp-service |
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| 21:05.27 | sybariten | neilthereildeil: how did you find out? |
| 21:06.16 | RedRYder | I am using Debian 12.04 and trying to get MySQL downloaded and installed to use with my opensim grids. I have tried; APPER, APT-GET, YUM, downloading from MySQL and using DPKG and downloading and installing XAMPP. Nothing seems to work. Please tell me what am I doing wrong. I can't seem to make anything work and SQLite is no longer sufficient for all my grids. Thanks in advance. |
| 21:07.06 | petern_ | What is Debian 12.04? |
| 21:07.16 | mtn | how far in the future is debian 12.04? |
| 21:07.20 | bchamberlain | RedRYder: petern_ its debian from 2025 |
| 21:07.27 | mtn | wow! |
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| 21:07.57 | bchamberlain | RedRYder I think you need to goto #ubuntu .. |
| 21:07.57 | RedRYder | It is what I downloaded from the website. |
| 21:08.05 | mtn | heh |
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| 21:08.15 | neilthereildeil | pstree |
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| 21:09.19 | bchamberlain | RedRYder apt-get install mysql-server should work for you but if you have issues #ubuntu is where you will get help for your os |
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| 21:10.22 | RedRYder | Why do I need to go to Ubuntu? |
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| 21:10.54 | bchamberlain | RedRYder 12.04 is not a debian version number. It is however an Ubuntu release. |
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| 21:11.08 | RedRYder | Nevermind I am using Debian 6.0 |
| 21:11.19 | mtn | liar liar pants on fire |
| 21:11.33 | RedRYder | I have tried so many different versions I have lost count. |
| 21:12.39 | petern_ | but yes, apt-get install mysql-server, on debian. |
| 21:12.59 | petern_ | no need to go to any website to download it |
| 21:13.04 | RedRYder | All I want is a stable version to run MySQL, two 16 Region grids and one 4 Region grid in Metropolis Metaversum. |
| 21:13.35 | RedRYder | When I apt-get it starts and then stops |
| 21:13.38 | frikinz | debian 6 is not the stable version |
| 21:13.45 | RedRYder | what is |
| 21:14.00 | bchamberlain | RedRYder: type lsb_release --all and post the result. |
| 21:14.49 | arthurfiggis | is there a way of installing a single package and its dependencies from testing in stable? everything else in 7.2 works on my system, but the (official binary blob) nvidia drivers are a version below what my card actually supports...if i could install those then i could use stable with no issues...i hope :) |
| 21:15.14 | bchamberlain | arthurfiggis backports is probably what you need. |
| 21:15.44 | RedRYder | It says debian gnu/linux 7.2 (wheezy) |
| 21:16.03 | arthurfiggis | bchamberlain: ahh, well that would work even better if there's a later version backported :) i'll see if i can find a list of the packages in backports currently |
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| 21:17.13 | petern_ | and when you apt-get it "starts and stops" and displays absolutely no information? |
| 21:17.13 | magnulu | a little while ago I found an alternative to pastebinit, which I installed through the repositories, and now I cannot remember it's name. any candidates? |
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| 21:17.27 | RedRYder | bchamberlain, does that change things? |
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| 21:17.38 | bchamberlain | RedRYder ? |
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| 21:19.23 | magnulu | found it! nopaste... :-) |
| 21:19.28 | RedRYder | TO all, when I type apt-get install mysql I get Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:19.28 | RedRYder | Building dependency tree |
| 21:19.28 | RedRYder | Reading state information... Done |
| 21:19.28 | RedRYder | E: Unable to locate package mysql |
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| 21:19.43 | forcer | RedRYder: It means you're neither using Ubuntu 12.04 nor Debian 6.0, but Debian 7.2 - and you learned how to find out what distribution you're using. That's quite some change, don't you think. |
| 21:20.18 | arthurfiggis | bchamberlain: ahh, there we go...it looks as if the version backports provides is 304.108-2 and some other unfamiliar stuff...i'm not sure if that means it's patched up to support my card or not unfortunately, i know 319.60 works okay but that version is in testing :) i'll have to look up a bit more, thanks for pointing it out though it might work fine |
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| 21:20.29 | forcer | Ah well. |
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| 21:21.14 | petern_ | reading is a difficult skill |
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| 21:22.00 | mtn | thinking is even more difficult |
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| 21:22.11 | bchamberlain | listening the hardest. |
| 21:22.21 | mtn | huh? |
| 21:22.29 | forcer | bchamberlain: Nice one. |
| 21:22.36 | neilthereildeil | how can i autmatically remove the default gateway in the kernel's routing table and replace it with a different gateway every time i connect to the VPN? |
| 21:22.36 | neilthereildeil | is there a script or something i can ruun every time i connect the VPN? |
| 21:22.37 | arthurfiggis | fortunately the changelogs that debian devs post are quite informative! :) looks like the backports version includes a patch from 319.32 that fixes the problem with my card, so that should work great |
| 21:22.44 | james41382 | I am having trouble using javaws to run a jnlp file. Any ideas? http://paste.debian.net/63788/ |
| 21:22.50 | bchamberlain | arthurfiggis happy days |
| 21:23.00 | neilthereildeil | nay idea how to automatically modify the kernels routing table after VPN connection? |
| 21:23.11 | arthurfiggis | bchamberlain: thanks again, when i install debian 7.2 i'll enable backports and i shouldn't have any issues! everything else i tried in virtualbox worked thankfully :) |
| 21:23.14 | neilthereildeil | it uses the VPN as my default gateway |
| 21:23.20 | neilthereildeil | but i wanna use my local default gateay |
| 21:23.24 | neilthereildeil | hateway |
| 21:23.30 | bchamberlain | neilthereildeil gateway! |
| 21:23.44 | forcer | "Hateway" is a nice typo. I think I'll nick it. |
| 21:23.54 | bchamberlain | :) |
| 21:23.56 | neilthereildeil | bchamberlain: what? |
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| 21:24.00 | arthurfiggis | bchamberlain: if the default gateway is a belkin then hateway might be more appropriate :P |
| 21:24.09 | neilthereildeil | i need to automatically modify the routing table =when i connect the VPON |
| 21:24.12 | neilthereildeil | VPN |
| 21:24.17 | bchamberlain | neilthereildeil man route. |
| 21:24.23 | neilthereildeil | yea |
| 21:24.28 | james41382 | Oh here this is better maybe: http://paste.debian.net/63789/ |
| 21:24.32 | neilthereildeil | i manually did it just now after connecting the VPN |
| 21:24.40 | neilthereildeil | but i wanna automate it for every time i connect |
| 21:25.05 | bchamberlain | neilthereildeil trigger VPN connection from a script and add a route entry after the VPN connect command |
| 21:25.32 | frikinz | split tunneling |
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| 21:25.45 | neilthereildeil | ok so right now if i have to manually by clicking on the gnome network manager, i gotta first figure out how to connect via cmdline? |
| 21:26.29 | petern_ | you can tweak routes in the vpn configuration with network manager |
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| 21:28.42 | bchamberlain | I bet the nsa use hateways... |
| 21:29.31 | neilthereildeil | petern_: thanks |
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| 21:31.08 | codicia626 | hello |
| 21:31.24 | codicia626 | i need help |
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| 21:31.37 | codicia626 | are ypu people dead |
| 21:31.39 | arthurfiggis | bchamberlain: what would really mess with their heads is an e-mail attachment virus that adds "questionable" words to people's sigs when they send one out :P |
| 21:31.40 | codicia626 | ? |
| 21:32.01 | arthurfiggis | codicia626: sadly we all passed away several hours ago in a terrible industrial accident |
| 21:32.11 | codicia626 | sorry |
| 21:32.23 | codicia626 | i need you helparthur |
| 21:32.23 | RedRYder | To al, I typed apt-get install mysql-client and seems to have put it on my system, I then typed apt-get install mysql-server with the same result. I then typed mysql_secure_installation and followed the prompts. Now when I type mysql I get : ERROR 1045 (28000) : Access denied for user 'root'@localhost' (using password: no) |
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| 21:32.46 | codicia626 | linux load and does nothing more |
| 21:33.33 | arthurfiggis | codicia626: well...i don't actually run debian yet, but i've run others so...possibly i might be able to help? :) when you say it loads and then does nothing...does it just start and then a blank screen? or do you get to the graphical interface and then it becomes unresponsive? |
| 21:33.50 | RedRYder | Last was To All, sorry for the fat fingers. |
| 21:34.06 | codicia626 | with what program I can repair |
| 21:34.18 | codicia626 | can i repair? |
| 21:34.20 | james41382 | Oh nevermind... got it. It was the proxy setting in Iceweasel. Thanks. |
| 21:34.34 | codicia626 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.40 | arthurfiggis | RedRYder: if you set a password you might need to make sure you provided tha when you tried to connect (just noticed the using password: no) |
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| 21:35.38 | arthurfiggis | codicia626: ahh, okay...so you're not even seeing the console or any boot messages...the only time i've had that happen was when i installed it on a system that was uefi based, without using legacy mode :( but we would need to know more about what you're running and the computer itself to be sure |
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| 21:36.23 | RedRYder | arthurfiggis; Thanks I forgot the -p when logging on. |
| 21:36.52 | codicia626 | the console do not start |
| 21:37.32 | arthurfiggis | RedRYder: No problem...like most things the simple solution eludes you when the error message is uninformative :P |
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| 21:37.53 | arthurfiggis | if the error message said something helpful like "please provide the password" on the other hand ^^ |
| 21:38.34 | RedRYder | No I just typed mysql at the prompt and not mysql -p. |
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| 21:39.41 | RedRYder | I am about to shut down my small grid and see if it will back up under mysql. wish me luck. |
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| 21:45.37 | ZitZ | i want to make an sshfs mount from inside .profile, but it doesn't seem like it works |
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| 21:46.20 | ZitZ | i can do it easily when i start a terminal after the system loads |
| 21:47.01 | ZitZ | and i know .profile is being called because i tested it by echo to a file |
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| 21:50.22 | jonascj | Hi all. I have this in my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/dy315DNF . If no DHCP is reachable upon boot it will retry dhcp requests for 10-20 seconds before giving up and continuing. How can I prevent this? |
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| 21:53.03 | arthurfiggis | RedRYder: hopefully it all works :) i know more about setting up databases than actually doing much with them i'm afraid |
| 21:53.52 | jonascj | I could of course configure the number of retries to be lower, but is that the only option? |
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| 21:55.38 | RedRYder | arthurfiggis; Thanks ever so much I now have mysql databases and my grids connected to them. Again, THANKS. |
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| 21:55.56 | buu | Hey, does anyone know if linux will use the graphics card to do video processing at any point? For example encoding/decoding via ffmpeg/vlc/etc? |
| 21:56.17 | arthurfiggis | RedRYder: Perfect, no problem...it's always nice when everything works the way it's supposed to! ^^ |
| 21:57.15 | RedRYder | Ain't that the truth!! |
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| 21:58.29 | mumpitzel | buu: vdpau can use it. but decoding video never uses the shaders on any card under any OS: it's specialized circuitry |
| 21:58.56 | mumpitzel | buu: GPGPU is never used, and for encoding it's almost never used either. the best results you get with software encoding |
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| 22:00.23 | buu | mumpitzel: Ok, thanks, so there's no point in getting a graphics card unless you're doing games/specialized 3d apps? |
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| 22:00.50 | mumpitzel | correct |
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| 22:01.00 | mumpitzel | any intel IGP will be able to decode HD movies |
| 22:01.58 | buu | mumpitzel: So the intel igps are used? |
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| 22:03.00 | mumpitzel | buu: yes. via VAAPI (VDPAU is nvidia) |
| 22:03.42 | mumpitzel | buu: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi/ |
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| 22:05.12 | frikinz | what about gpulib? |
| 22:05.17 | frikinz | or similar |
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| 22:07.11 | mumpitzel | what about it? |
| 22:08.19 | frikinz | ok you meant gpgpu is not yet included in these software but it doesn't mean I cannot code anything that uses my gpu for heavy computing? |
| 22:08.50 | buu | frikinz: My question at least was merely about existing software |
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| 22:10.59 | frikinz | buu: I see :) |
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| 22:17.25 | calcifsa | aq2qa /go : |
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| 22:28.06 | gatuno_123 | hi |
| 22:28.26 | gatuno_123 | I have a minimal instalation of debian wheezyt |
| 22:28.33 | gatuno_123 | just the xserver and gnome-terminal |
| 22:28.45 | gatuno_123 | I launch the gnome-terminal with gnome-terminal |
| 22:29.01 | gatuno_123 | but the terminal doesn't display any text |
| 22:29.21 | gatuno_123 | (the menus are correct (file, edit, terminal, view, etc..) |
| 22:29.32 | gatuno_123 | but just the vte-terminal |
| 22:30.01 | gatuno_123 | it shows a warning like: vte-2.9 Warning: Unable to convert characters from UTF-8 to current. |
| 22:30.07 | abrotman | holy enter key batman |
| 22:30.13 | gatuno_123 | what? |
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| 22:31.54 | MraMaria | what are the basic packages for ./configure make and make install? If I ask for "build-essential automake make gcc " I get about 98MBs of space... |
| 22:32.00 | gatuno_123 | something is missing... |
| 22:32.13 | gatuno_123 | I don't know what package vte needs to work fine |
| 22:32.38 | abrotman | MraMaria: build-essential, yes |
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| 22:33.38 | MraMaria | abrotman: and the other I pointed out too,, isn't? Other question... can i use --no-install-recommends ? |
| 22:33.53 | abrotman | MraMaria: doesn't seem like a good idea for compiling stuff? |
| 22:34.08 | abrotman | build-essential probbly pulls in gcc and make .. right ? |
| 22:34.13 | abrotman | judd: depends build-essentials |
| 22:34.14 | judd | No package named 'build-essentials' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 22:34.16 | abrotman | judd: depends build-essential |
| 22:34.17 | judd | Package build-essential in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5). |
| 22:34.44 | MraMaria | abrotman: well, i know for making a .deb i'll need a lot more. It's only for compiling.. |
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| 22:35.11 | gatuno_123 | judd: dependes libvte-2.9 |
| 22:35.24 | gatuno_123 | ahhh... |
| 22:35.53 | MraMaria | :) |
| 22:36.32 | abrotman | MraMaria: you sure will .. but that's not what you originally asked |
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| 22:37.24 | MraMaria | On the other hand, I I want to have it handy all necessary ones even to make .deb/s. This "build-essential libtool autotools-dev automake libconfig-dev ncurses-dev checkinstall check git libswscale-dev libsdl-dev libopenal-dev libopus-dev libvpx-dev yasm" will take about 219 MBs with no-install-recommends. |
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| 22:38.06 | MraMaria | I I / If I* :) |
| 22:38.10 | abrotman | MraMaria: i'm not sure why you can't just install thenm ? |
| 22:38.42 | olf-folks | what dose it mean when my sound card says dumy output as a normal user but if i login as root it works fine? |
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| 22:38.47 | MraMaria | abrotman: if you say they're all needed, of course i will install them all. |
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| 22:39.38 | abrotman | MraMaria: so get installing |
| 22:39.45 | MraMaria | hehehe |
| 22:40.01 | MraMaria | --no-install-recommends ? safe? |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 22:40.09 | dvs | olf-folks: it means your user is probably not part of the audio group |
| 22:41.26 | MraMaria | okay abrotman . tks so much :) |
| 22:42.23 | tormen_ | Hi all. How can I debug an instable nfs connection between two debian-wheezy? (dowinloading 4GB iso onto NFS share failed repeatedly) |
| 22:43.07 | tormen_ | And on another note: How can I debug an instable nfs connection between debian-wheezy server and macosx 10.9 client ? |
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| 22:47.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys... you want to do something cool? ok maybe kinda lame geeky ness.. |
| 22:48.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | install cmatrix and put this at the bottom of your .bashrc |
| 22:48.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | cmatrix -a -fs -C magenta |
| 22:48.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | you can change the color |
| 22:48.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | *updates puppet* |
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| 22:50.09 | C00re | the matrix isnt anything new tho.. |
| 22:50.25 | C00re | i had the screensaver like 15 years ago |
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| 22:50.44 | C00re | or something. |
| 22:50.52 | james41382 | Is there a way to get the pinch/zoom functionality I am used to with my touchpad in debian like I have in windows? |
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| 22:56.46 | ex-parrot | does anyone know if there are further steps to take once installing unattended-upgrades and enabling it with dpkg-reconfigure? I don't need to add a cron job or anything? |
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| 23:00.31 | petn-randall | ex-parrot: Check the README in /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/, it should tell. |
| 23:01.53 | ex-parrot | petn-randall: it does... it advises me to use apt-config dump to make sure the config options are set, and it seems they may not be |
| 23:01.57 | ex-parrot | which is why I'm wondering if I missed something 8^) |
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| 23:07.42 | trampel | special thanks to the nvidia crew (on testing) because despite "LEGACY GPUs: If you have a GeForce ... 285/440,... DO NOT INSTALL THIS RELEASE!!!" i installed it (with GeForce GT 440) and it rebooted ok. thankee! |
| 23:08.14 | trampel | (this has seldom been the case in the past... nvidia updates always seem to break X startup) |
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| 23:10.11 | trampel | "Nvidia crew" being: Andreas Beckmann ...in this case. |
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| 23:11.33 | epta | I have debian 7.0 (wheezy). How can I install weechat from this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~nesthib/+archive/weechat-stable |
| 23:12.22 | Nik05 | wheezu has weechat |
| 23:12.30 | Nik05 | apt-get install weechat |
| 23:12.43 | epta | I'm looking for possibility to install weechat > 0.4 |
| 23:13.04 | Nik05 | ,versions weechat |
| 23:13.06 | judd | Package: weechat on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.1-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.2-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.4.2-3; sid: 0.4.2-3 |
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| 23:13.48 | epta | What is weezy-backports? |
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| 23:13.50 | Nik05 | epta what about backports? |
| 23:13.52 | CissWit | epta: either use weechat from backports or debian packages from weechat site http://www.weechat.org/download/debian/ |
| 23:14.13 | dvs | !tell eptc about bdo |
| 23:14.15 | Nik05 | epta sorry dont know much about backports |
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| 23:14.28 | Nik05 | but dpkg knows :P |
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| 23:15.49 | Nik05 | so you could try backports, check private message you got from dpkg |
| 23:16.56 | epta | !tell epta about bdo |
| 23:17.06 | epta | typo :) |
| 23:17.53 | brontosaurusrex | epta, version 0.4.2-2 should be in backports. |
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| 23:19.00 | epta | brontosaurusrex: yep, backports is the solution, thanks |
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| 23:20.05 | rryoumaa | is zfs on fuse particularly more unstable than zfs on linux? |
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| 23:30.17 | tomatosalad | so, uh, I have a BCM4331 and I installed b43-firmware-installer but it claims that it's an unrecognized device |
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| 23:35.29 | lokigr | i need to buy a usb hub (10 ports), can someone to recommend a compatible one? basically i found one manufactured by TRUST...:) but i do not know if it works with linux to prcced :) |
| 23:36.40 | ex-parrot | lokigr: you'll have a hard time finding a USB hub that doesn't work with Debian |
| 23:37.45 | lokigr | i have already purchase 3 greenasia usb hubs from china / ebay |
| 23:37.58 | lokigr | guess ... they do not work :) |
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| 23:38.22 | lokigr | moreover my system chrash!!! |
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| 23:38.58 | lokigr | i was be lucky having back up to restore it |
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| 23:39.42 | tomatosalad | ugh, *why* does debian leave the install media as a repo in sources.list? |
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| 23:40.17 | lokigr | if you have no internet access this can be used as a repo |
| 23:40.19 | rjsalts | tomatosalad: save you some bandwidth if the file hasn't changed and is on a cd |
| 23:40.34 | tomatosalad | It'd be nice if it were a install option |
| 23:40.38 | tomatosalad | save a bit of frustration later |
| 23:41.46 | edju | tomatosalad, It is an option, sort of - it gets commented out. |
| 23:41.47 | ex-parrot | tomatosalad: some of the installer variants don't leave it as a source |
| 23:41.54 | tomatosalad | Also, the BCM4331/14e4:4331 is supported here http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 but not with debian's b43-firmware-installer |
| 23:42.00 | tomatosalad | how do I get what I need? |
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| 23:44.06 | rryoumaa | i am copying a lot of files to a ext4 filesyste. how come df says 1.6T 452G 1.1T 31% and then later says 1.6T 473G 1.1T 32%? in other words how can i keep using space without reducing free space? |
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| 23:44.31 | rryoumaa | or is that 1.1 just an approximation? |
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