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| 00:16.55 | FaTony | is it possible to view UEFI boot entry info using efibootmgr? |
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| 00:17.44 | DoverMo | does anyone know how to install audacity plugins properly? |
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| 00:21.53 | Mapley | > |
| 00:22.35 | Mapley | DoverMo, /usr/share/audacity/plug-ins/ |
| 00:22.44 | Mapley | Copy the .ny file there. |
| 00:23.07 | DoverMo | Mapley, ok |
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| 00:23.49 | DoverMo | Mapley, i got it working |
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| 00:28.08 | FaTony | nvm, hexdump |
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| 01:25.57 | rudi_s | !xorg.conf |
| 01:25.57 | dpkg | From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>. |
| 01:25.59 | rudi_s | FaTony: ^ |
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| 01:50.23 | xuloplaya | hi everyonw |
| 01:50.37 | xuloplaya | anyone could help me with dhcp server ? |
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| 01:51.34 | xuloplaya | im trying to share my internet with dhcp server but it doesnt work |
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| 01:58.42 | xuloplaya | hi? |
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| 02:03.32 | n0c | [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed to open cookie file '/var/lib/gdm3/.config/pulse/cookie': No such file or directory |
| 02:03.45 | n0c | getting some pulseaudio errors like this with debian jessie |
| 02:04.09 | n0c | nyone have any suggestions? |
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| 02:21.13 | albert | saludos |
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| 02:24.28 | ImaLamer | where should i start if i want to install a gamepad on a debian machine? |
| 02:25.21 | ImaLamer | or prerequisite packages to make my day smoother? |
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| 02:27.08 | anonnumberanon | can I get help installing youtube-dl with wget and chmod? |
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| 02:27.27 | linux | hello |
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| 02:28.22 | Th0masR0ss_ | Where does the phpMyAdmin package install phpMyAdmin to? in other words, what web path do I go to to get phpMyadmin up |
| 02:28.23 | Th0masR0ss_ | ? |
| 02:29.34 | anonnumberanon | The certificate's owner does not match hostname `yt-dl.org' |
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| 02:30.10 | anonnumberanon | What certificat eare they talking about and why should I care? |
| 02:30.36 | ImaLamer | Th0masR0ss_: up in what way? |
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| 02:30.51 | Th0masR0ss_ | ImaLamer: to get the web interface |
| 02:31.28 | ImaLamer | Th0masR0ss_: that will be squirted into your web config somewhere, which do you use? |
| 02:31.52 | Th0masR0ss_ | Apache |
| 02:32.17 | ImaLamer | just now seeing it's a req package, so duh on my part |
| 02:32.27 | ImaLamer | oh or others |
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| 02:33.42 | Th0masR0ss_ | " phpMyAdmin also provides a web-based setup script available at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/setup/index.php" - /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
| 02:33.53 | Th0masR0ss_ | "The requested URL /phpmyadmin/setup/index.php was not found on this server." |
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| 02:34.00 | Th0masR0ss_ | Although i am not using localhost |
| 02:34.06 | Th0masR0ss_ | I am ssh'd to a remote box |
| 02:34.23 | ImaLamer | if you tunnel right localhost should be what you type |
| 02:34.37 | Th0masR0ss_ | doesnt know how to do that |
| 02:34.59 | ImaLamer | idk/remember if it will come up on other hosts by default, it may |
| 02:35.46 | Th0masR0ss_ | gah, I just want to use PMA! |
| 02:35.47 | ImaLamer | but browsing /etc/apache* should show your last updated files |
| 02:36.19 | ImaLamer | make sure apache really got setup for it, the config will show you why/why not |
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| 02:41.58 | Daemoen | lo all; i realize that debian 6 is no longer stable, but surely there are still mirrors for updating it and supporting it ? |
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| 02:42.25 | sylon | ./join #git |
| 02:42.35 | sylon | crap |
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| 02:44.02 | themill | Daemoen: yes, squeeze will remain a supported release and will still be on the mirror network for another 6 months |
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| 02:44.43 | Daemoen | themill: is it not the archive.debian.org mirror for the sources.list ? |
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| 02:45.50 | themill | no |
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| 02:46.07 | Daemoen | heh, debsources generator is borked then XD |
| 02:46.25 | Daemoen | yeah, i just tried it against the normal sources.list from wheezy (changed wheezy to squeeze) and it worked just fine |
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| 02:48.17 | themill | I'm yet to see any sources.list "generator" that doesn't do utterly insane things and encourage the user to break their system |
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| 02:55.11 | NBhosting | what does a assertion error ussualy mean? https://dpaste.de/vmuI |
| 02:55.23 | NBhosting | trying to figur out someone else his project |
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| 02:58.19 | rmroulette | having some pulse problems, anyone down to help? |
| 02:59.09 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 02:59.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:59.21 | themill | NBhosting: you might do better in #python with that |
| 02:59.29 | rmroulette | sorry T.T |
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| 02:59.40 | rmroulette | it seems like it is debian specific |
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| 02:59.58 | jordanm | NBhosting: AssertionError is usually a failed unit test |
| 03:00.36 | jordanm | that isn't limited to python |
| 03:00.37 | rmroulette | I can't select my headset as a playback device despite it being detected and configurable |
| 03:01.15 | jordanm | a USB headset? |
| 03:01.21 | rmroulette | yeah |
| 03:01.50 | NBhosting | seems to have something todo with assert 'osso.core' in settings.INSTALLED_APPS |
| 03:02.02 | jordanm | what is preventing you from selecting it? What pulse UI are you using? |
| 03:02.54 | rmroulette | both the gnome3 default sound manager and pavu control have the same issue |
| 03:02.54 | rmroulette | it's showing up under configuration, but I can't actually use it |
| 03:03.55 | rmroulette | I think it might have something to use with the version of pulse I am using. should I just try and install a newer version or will that break everything? |
| 03:04.06 | jordanm | ,versions pulseaudio |
| 03:04.07 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.0-6.1; wheezy-backports: 4.0-6~bpo7+1; jessie: 4.0-6+b1; sid: 4.0-6+b1 |
| 03:04.35 | jordanm | rmroulette: if you are using wheezy, trying the backports version shouldn't hurt anything |
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| 03:05.10 | rmroulette | using jessie |
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| 03:05.25 | rmroulette | btw really liking debian so far |
| 03:05.32 | jordanm | then you already have the newest version for debian |
| 03:06.15 | jordanm | actually, that's the newest upstream version as well |
| 03:06.16 | rmroulette | hmm, thats wierd, the headset can control sound but it won't play anything |
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| 03:06.36 | rmroulette | should I downgrade? |
| 03:06.51 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 03:06.51 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 03:07.25 | rmroulette | Is that a good Idea though? |
| 03:07.35 | jordanm | rmroulette: no, I doubt that well help |
| 03:07.53 | jordanm | and that factoid should probably be updated. apt technically does support downgrading |
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| 03:08.34 | themill | well... sort of |
| 03:08.56 | themill | We could just remove "by apt" from that and it would still be correct |
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| 03:10.03 | jordanm | yes, that would make sense |
| 03:10.20 | taha_ | Hi, every app that requires sudo is not working anymore |
| 03:10.31 | rmroulette | I'm under the impression that pulse has better device support, so switching to alsa probably won't help |
| 03:10.48 | rmroulette | what's the message its giving |
| 03:10.49 | jordanm | rmroulette: pulseaudio is a layer on top of alsa |
| 03:10.59 | jordanm | alsa is still the driver for the device |
| 03:11.04 | taha_ | like synaptic |
| 03:11.14 | rmroulette | wow I have no idea about how sound works |
| 03:11.28 | themill | taha_: you should be using gksudo not sudo for graphical applications |
| 03:11.43 | taha_ | yes it doesn't work either |
| 03:11.46 | jordanm | sound in linux is a mess |
| 03:12.05 | rmroulette | is sudo giving you errors or are the applications failing? |
| 03:12.12 | jordanm | it's definately an area that needs improvement |
| 03:12.35 | rmroulette | one day I'll contribute a patch to the kernel... ONE DAY!!! |
| 03:12.58 | taha_ | I can't open any app that requires root |
| 03:13.26 | jordanm | rmroulette: you could add input support for my sound card! |
| 03:13.51 | rmroulette | jordanm: ADD ALL THE SOUND CARDS |
| 03:14.11 | themill | taha_: what *precisely* are you doing and how *precisely* does it not work? |
| 03:14.11 | rmroulette | taha_: go to a terminal |
| 03:14.52 | taha_ | gksudo synaptic |
| 03:14.52 | taha_ | (gksudo:2903): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed |
| 03:15.14 | rmroulette | that sounds ominous |
| 03:15.38 | taha_ | and nothing happen if: sudo apt-get install update |
| 03:15.48 | rmroulette | have you tried su? |
| 03:15.52 | taha_ | or anything actually related to sudo |
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| 03:16.24 | jordanm | taha_: pastebin the output of `type -a sudo; sudo -l` |
| 03:16.29 | taha_ | su doesn't work either |
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| 03:17.41 | taha_ | type -a sudo |
| 03:17.42 | taha_ | sudo is /usr/bin/sudo |
| 03:17.47 | rmroulette | I'm not going to read this whole thing, but this might have a lead in it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593116 |
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| 03:18.53 | jordanm | taha_: and sudo -l? |
| 03:19.00 | taha_ | nothing |
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| 03:19.18 | taha_ | taha@crunchbang:~$ sudo -l |
| 03:19.18 | taha_ | [sudo] password for taha: |
| 03:19.18 | taha_ | taha@crunchbang:~$ |
| 03:19.30 | jordanm | !crunchbang > taha_ |
| 03:19.49 | taha_ | yep |
| 03:19.50 | jordanm | !crunchbang | taha_ |
| 03:20.09 | jordanm | ok, I don't remeber how to use the bot |
| 03:20.10 | rmroulette | taha_: Is this a fresh install? |
| 03:20.12 | jordanm | !crunchbang |
| 03:20.14 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 03:20.35 | taha_ | almost, less than a month |
| 03:21.06 | jordanm | taha_: wrong channel |
| 03:21.24 | rmroulette | well still pastebin that stuff but the good people of #crunchbang probably know more |
| 03:21.37 | taha_ | sorry then, But any clue? |
| 03:22.10 | rmroulette | honestly no idea, but I haven't spent that much time on it |
| 03:23.38 | taha_ | ok, thanks |
| 03:23.50 | rmroulette | np/gl |
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| 03:30.41 | shazbotmcnasty | hey there, a friend lost the ability to sudo after installing samba. how would one get that ability back? |
| 03:30.53 | shazbotmcnasty | you think it would be a /etc/sudoers issue? |
| 03:30.57 | shazbotmcnasty | or something else... |
| 03:32.31 | rmroulette | taha_? |
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| 03:32.51 | rmroulette | that guy was just here a minute ago |
| 03:33.21 | shazbotmcnasty | his nick is Guest65739 now. |
| 03:33.25 | shazbotmcnasty | but probably. |
| 03:33.46 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah, his hostname is taha |
| 03:33.51 | shazbotmcnasty | did you tell him what to do? |
| 03:33.53 | rmroulette | if not though, checking sudoers won't hurt, but maybe google to see if samba fucks with permissions on installation |
| 03:34.00 | rmroulette | no, I didn't know |
| 03:34.06 | shazbotmcnasty | did a bit, couldn't find anything |
| 03:34.08 | rmroulette | +wrong channel |
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| 03:34.19 | rmroulette | he went over to #crunchbang |
| 03:34.21 | shazbotmcnasty | can't open sudoers file without root |
| 03:34.28 | rmroulette | ouch |
| 03:34.31 | shazbotmcnasty | well crunchbang is debian wheezy |
| 03:34.36 | jordanm | he is in the wrong channel, we don't support crunchbang here |
| 03:34.39 | shazbotmcnasty | but yeah.. |
| 03:34.55 | rmroulette | can he not log in as root? |
| 03:34.58 | jordanm | !based on debian |
| 03:34.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:35.13 | shazbotmcnasty | jordanm, yeah, i got it. no need to pull out the bot. |
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| 03:36.05 | rmroulette | join #crunchbang, I'll hop on and help |
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| 03:38.34 | lalocaluz | -hello |
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| 03:41.34 | lalocaluz | I have this question. I just found out my laptop does have a 64 bit processor (Atom n450,512K Cache, 1.66 GHz). I ave always installed debian and other linux OS using 32 bit iso. My only concern to installing a 64 bit OS now is that ive read that since i only have 1 GB of RAM its better to stay with 32 bit. Is this true? |
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| 03:42.24 | rmroulette | I don't know about that, but installing 64bit should speed up programs |
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| 03:42.44 | dvs | lalocaluz: 64bit programs generally use up 20% more memory |
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| 03:43.10 | lalocaluz | thanks, rmroulette and dvs |
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| 03:54.46 | quotemstr | Something I've always wondered: why doesn't apg-get get have a search function? |
| 03:54.55 | quotemstr | Why is search functionality on apt-cache search instead of apt-get mumble? |
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| 03:57.24 | themill | quotemstr: apt-get actually does things, apt-cache tells you what can be done |
| 03:58.28 | rmroulette | use apt-cache search |
| 03:58.33 | rmroulette | or alias it |
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| 03:58.57 | grimeton | quotemstr: because you can search in the package cache and then install the packages with the meta information from the package cache |
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| 04:06.55 | mrproper | I have Debian stable and installed Chrome but it doesn't list Chrome in the GNOME default applications drop down. How do I have it listed? |
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| 04:09.02 | jordanm | mrproper: the first time you start chrome it should prompt you to make it the default browser |
| 04:09.17 | mrproper | Yeah it does, I've clicked it four times but links still open in Iceweasel. |
| 04:09.34 | up365 | mrproper, go to main menu, create new item under internet, /usr/bin/google-chrome place that in command space |
| 04:09.53 | mrproper | Already done. |
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| 04:19.33 | Soundtoxin | Is anyone available to help me with something quick? I've used Debian for a while but I'm not very good with configuring things. |
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| 04:19.51 | Soundtoxin | I need to know what to put in place of YOURMIRROR in this line: deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 04:24.04 | themill | th Soundtoxin wheezy-backports |
| 04:24.09 | themill | dpkg: tell Soundtoxin about wheezy-backports |
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| 04:29.25 | Soundtoxin | themill: Thank you for that help but I am now encountering an error I want you to look at. http://pastie.org/8461662 |
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| 04:30.36 | themill | Soundtoxin: don't mix releases btw... I have no idea what you're doing with crunchbang repos there. |
| 04:30.54 | mo1991 | Soudtoxin Looks like a problem with primus and not having a dependance in backports |
| 04:31.05 | themill | Soundtoxin: what does "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install primus" want to do? |
| 04:31.10 | mo1991 | i'd try removing primus and try again. |
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| 04:32.48 | Soundtoxin | themill: http://pastie.org/8461665 |
| 04:33.04 | Soundtoxin | mo1991: Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that if this doesn't work |
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| 04:34.54 | mo1991 | Soundtoxin - primus is not a package in wheezy so this is where your problems stem from. Seems like you have a backport already installed that is not yet in wheezy-backports. |
| 04:35.36 | Soundtoxin | mo1991: My problems are stemming from trying to get Nvidia Optimus drivers. I am trying my best to follow what the wiki says: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 04:37.10 | themill | Soundtoxin: add those extra primus-libs packages that aptitude is complaining about to that command line and try again |
| 04:37.45 | mo1991 | I see - not familiar with that driver... Try what themill says :) |
| 04:38.12 | reavengrey | Under what circumstances would you use "invoke-rc.d"? |
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| 04:38.58 | themill | reavengrey: I'd normally type "service", actually. |
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| 04:39.38 | reavengrey | Ah, so service is like the front end for it, thanks |
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| 04:46.28 | Soundtoxin | themill: Thanks for the help. I think I got everything working, I guess I'll find out soon. |
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| 04:49.31 | mo1991 | I show a strange connection in my firewall setup. My ip connecting via "unknown service" to 69.17.140.74 on port 40636. Can anyone help me figure out what this is? |
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| 04:56.08 | mo1991 | can anyone help the above? This is driving me nuts. |
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| 04:58.38 | rmroulette | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.06 | mo1991 | comcast |
| 04:59.29 | rmroulette | hmm |
| 05:00.07 | rmroulette | well that IP belongs to some toronto based ISP if I'm not mistaken |
| 05:00.18 | rmroulette | does that help? |
| 05:00.21 | mo1991 | this makes no sense to me. The port makes no sense. Plus I have a router. Firewall shows my internal ip connecting to that via the port above. |
| 05:00.37 | mo1991 | No whois shows some unallocated IP for Rogers cable?? |
| 05:01.02 | pirret | i googled this for you: |
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| 05:01.03 | pirret | for i in `netstat -anp | grep 40636 | grep ESTABLISHED | awk {'print $7}' | awk -F '/' {'print $1'} | uniq` ; do ps -eo pid,uid,ruser,etime | grep $i ; done |
| 05:01.20 | pirret | this should tell you which process is making that connection |
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| 05:03.03 | mo1991 | pirret - do I type this as root |
| 05:03.05 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 05:03.15 | pirret | maybe |
| 05:03.27 | pirret | dunno |
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| 05:03.57 | mo1991 | doesn't show anything, either as root or normal user |
| 05:04.38 | pirret | then there are no connection on port 40636 |
| 05:04.47 | pirret | on that machine you run this command |
| 05:05.10 | mo1991 | why would firestarter show this connection then from my local ip? |
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| 05:05.36 | pirret | dunno |
| 05:05.56 | pirret | google how to use netstat and you may find your answer |
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| 05:24.01 | Mike9863 | Would setting up an mpd server on my debian computer allow me to play music from other devices like Android phones through the computer's speakers? |
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| 05:37.20 | marcidy | Hi. I have i366 adn amd64 archs, and when I search for a pkg in aptitude, it always goes to i386 first. Is there a way to control that behavior? I want amd64 first. Thanks. |
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| 05:46.27 | grimeton | marcidy: what arch is shown when you do dpkg --print-foreign-architectures ? |
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| 05:56.20 | NotJimCarrey | i forgot to dump postgresql before i migrated to amd64, and now it won't start. how can i dump the old databasses without it running? |
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| 05:59.04 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, so you're in 64 bit, but the bin files were created while in 32 bit? |
| 05:59.16 | NotJimCarrey | correct |
| 05:59.52 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, drive a 32 bit change root from the new root using linux32 |
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| 06:00.17 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, linux32 chroot ... |
| 06:00.20 | NotJimCarrey | heads to google |
| 06:00.23 | NotJimCarrey | ah |
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| 06:02.49 | NotJimCarrey | ok, while i figure that out...is it possible to just delete some files? (it was only used for one db) |
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| 06:03.01 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 06:03.39 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, is the old partition still there as before? |
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| 06:04.15 | NotJimCarrey | i migrated, it's the same |
| 06:04.51 | NotJimCarrey | as in i converted my i386 system to an amd64 system |
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| 06:05.21 | NotJimCarrey | just didn't realized i'd forgotten a step until way too late |
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| 06:05.42 | NotJimCarrey | (forgot to dump postgres) |
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| 06:06.55 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, run a live 32 bit CD or USB flash that has postgres packed in and try to recover/dump them |
| 06:07.14 | NotJimCarrey | nice idea |
| 06:07.15 | NotJimCarrey | thanky |
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| 06:08.26 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, it should be a fun adventure to solve it |
| 06:08.35 | NotJimCarrey | just to clarify, would i need to chroot or anything from the livecd? |
| 06:08.54 | NotJimCarrey | PryMar56: yeah, it has been so far |
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| 06:09.39 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, chroot is the tool of choice from the new root, but not from the live approach |
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| 06:11.26 | PryMar56 | NotJimCarrey, can you find the postgres DB bin files, like in /var/lib? |
| 06:12.04 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 06:12.23 | NotJimCarrey | apt-get purge/install did the trick |
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| 06:12.46 | NotJimCarrey | still may try out the chroot idea later anyway, just to know how |
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| 06:14.24 | NotJimCarrey | still rebuilding all the apps i ran from git to amd64, so wasn't too worried about it |
| 06:14.38 | NotJimCarrey | was just annoyed by the error every time i ran apt-get |
| 06:15.35 | blocky | anyone know offhand where nfs-kernel-server creates logs? |
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| 06:18.52 | mo1991 | question - it seems like when I download a torrent with transmission, it leaves a port open showing in firestarter. Appears to be a random port. Can anyone explain this behavior? |
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| 06:24.09 | honestly | moondog: yes. it's torrenting, |
| 06:24.11 | honestly | . |
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| 06:56.20 | mumpitzel | mo1991: torrents need to open an incoming port for the other computers in the swarm to connect to your torrent. it works without one but worse |
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| 07:05.43 | honestly | moondog: I suck at hilighting. sorry! |
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| 07:07.15 | grimeton | https://plus.google.com/+MikeHearn/posts/LW1DXJ2BK8k |
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| 07:30.04 | molavy | hi |
| 07:30.06 | molavy | i want setup website on a subdomain , and must send emails from service to visitors emails like confirm , complete register and others |
| 07:30.14 | molavy | subdomain service is on it own server with its on ip address |
| 07:30.21 | molavy | for example : aaa.site.com |
| 07:30.34 | molavy | ping aaa.site.com return different ip from ping site.com |
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| 07:30.43 | molavy | i want must send email with emails like info@site.com showing in from bar |
| 07:30.52 | molavy | how can i implement this |
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| 07:31.03 | molavy | site.com has it own server and aaa.site.com is on another centos server that i access it |
| 07:31.09 | molavy | any idea |
| 07:31.10 | molavy | ? |
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| 07:32.38 | molavy | i install libvirt on centos and setup kvm and install debian on it |
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| 07:44.57 | anisfarhana | Hello hello :) |
| 07:45.17 | anisfarhana | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1358963195 , any solution for this? |
| 07:45.29 | molavy | how should i setup mail server in subdomain with different ip from main domain that not rejected by email service like gmail and ymail |
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| 07:45.59 | themill | anisfarhana: build a time machine |
| 07:46.30 | anisfarhana | themill: time machine? |
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| 07:47.38 | themill | you need to travel back in time to when lenny was a supported release and when that key was valid. |
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| 07:48.05 | anisfarhana | themill: You are saying that i should upgrade to lenny then? |
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| 07:48.49 | ix_ | I've just installed wheezy and I have no right-click on my touchpad, any ideas? |
| 07:48.57 | themill | anisfarhana: you should upgrade from lenny to squeeze in February 2012. And you need to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy by May next year. |
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| 07:50.36 | anisfarhana | Its time for apt-get dist-upgrade then |
| 07:51.46 | themill | dpkg: tell anisfarhana about lenny->squeeze |
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| 07:55.01 | anisfarhana | themill: Will try that , thanks! |
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| 07:59.18 | mo1991 | mumpitzel - I guess what I don't understand is once I close transmission, this port stays open??? |
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| 08:02.58 | molavy | how should i setup mail server in subdomain with different ip from main domain that not rejected by email service like gmail and ymail |
| 08:04.15 | molavy | any idea? |
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| 08:07.28 | honestly | just set it up reasonably and with reverse resolution working |
| 08:07.39 | honestly | and don't be a spam relay |
| 08:07.40 | maasha | Morning all. |
| 08:07.46 | honestly | and don't bounce mails |
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| 08:08.54 | maasha | I am setting up my first debian box in 6-7 years. Can anyone recommend a security article good for a tiny server setup? |
| 08:09.25 | maasha | I getter get some iptables going I was thinking. And close unused ports and such. |
| 08:09.34 | maasha | *better |
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| 08:17.33 | mumpitzel | mo1991: then check with netstat in what state it is, who owns it, etc |
| 08:18.14 | oznt | hi guys, should I report a bug if a section is missing an official debian mirror ? |
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| 08:19.30 | themill | oznt: what mirror and what's missing? |
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| 08:20.18 | oznt | themill, all official mirrors are missing backports for squeeze ... I find it weird |
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| 08:20.30 | themill | oznt: backports for squeeze were never on the mirror network |
| 08:20.53 | oznt | but they are on esslingen and other mirrors |
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| 08:21.43 | oznt | this create a big problem for me |
| 08:21.44 | themill | prior to wheezy, backports had their own mirror network, some of which may have been the same as full mirrors. You'll notice that the URL is different too. |
| 08:21.52 | themill | no, it's not a big problem at all. |
| 08:22.35 | oznt | well, i need to install stuff on a machine that has access only to http://ftp.de.debian.org/ but not to other mirrors |
| 08:22.47 | oznt | and i need a package from backports |
| 08:22.52 | oznt | and I can't compile it |
| 08:22.57 | themill | well that mirror does have debian-backports. |
| 08:23.11 | themill | (also, perhaps you should consider upgrading to wheezy) |
| 08:23.17 | oznt | tell me where, that would be great. |
| 08:23.25 | oznt | themill, i am not responsible for that |
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| 08:23.29 | themill | in the usual place for squeeze-backports |
| 08:23.37 | oznt | and the guy who should do it, won't do it |
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| 08:23.42 | oznt | don't ask me why |
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| 08:25.43 | oznt | themill, I tried adding the url for backports, but it seems I am doing it wrong can you paste how I should add it to sources.list? |
| 08:26.11 | themill | perhaps you could pastebin what you've got so far |
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| 08:28.28 | oznt | http://pastie.org/pastes/8461967/text |
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| 08:29.12 | themill | oznt: get rid of "dists/" there |
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| 08:40.25 | maasha | Do we have a favorite IP tables configuration helper - perhaps a GUI? |
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| 08:40.47 | grimeton | maasha: eterm, xterm, pick you favourite |
| 08:41.11 | maasha | grimeton: bleh :o) |
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| 08:41.34 | grimeton | :D |
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| 08:42.04 | themill | maasha: ufw+gufw seems to have a following. (never used it myself) |
| 08:42.34 | maasha | themill: right. The ubuntu people seems to like firestarter as well |
| 08:43.30 | maasha | and fwbuilder |
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| 08:44.57 | anisfarhana | themill: debian:~# cat /etc/*version ---> 6.0.8 |
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| 08:47.37 | osfd | Hi there. Sometimes, pcmanfm will not launch and can't find why... |
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| 08:52.49 | tomboy64 | osfd: tried starting it from a terminal then? |
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| 08:53.51 | AinoUnhola | Hello! I'm running debian as a ssh server on an old laptop. Because of my neverending stupidness, I istalled it with gnome. Now I'm trying to upgrade to wheezy, but im out of disc space. Any ideas how to remove gnome AND all graphical applications as well? |
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| 08:57.26 | molavy | how should i setup mail server in subdomain with different ip from main domain that not rejected by email service like gmail and ymail |
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| 09:02.40 | ChrisH | molavy: I did not understand your intention. If your mailserver HELOs with an FQHN that matches the DNS answer is a first step. |
| 09:04.34 | molavy | ChrisH: how check this? |
| 09:05.08 | ChrisH | nslookup? |
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| 09:22.34 | molavy | i use this |
| 09:22.36 | molavy | -A PREROUTING -d 1.2.3.4/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168 |
| 09:22.45 | molavy | for send http request to guest |
| 09:23.29 | jeep | AinoUnhola: apt-get remove gnome gdm3 ect. ect. may want to look into using --purge as well |
| 09:23.45 | molavy | but randomly stop working |
| 09:23.48 | molavy | any idea? |
| 09:24.06 | jeep | osfd: strace is handy to see whats going on sometimes |
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| 09:27.21 | molavy | ChrisH: http://dpaste.com/1446729/ |
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| 09:31.32 | DaisyTheCow | According to dircolors --print-database image files such as *.jpg should be displayed in magenta. When I do an ls they are shown in white. --color is being used with ls. Any ideas why this might be? |
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| 09:32.45 | themill | DaisyTheCow: are you actually loading the dircolors db? Does your terminal support colour? |
| 09:33.44 | kristijonas | hello, how could I create a custom keyboard layout? I want to assign non-standard characters, like ؇, ↯, ⚖ to be typed when I click some specific button on my keyboard, instead of having to type ctrl+shift+unicode number. |
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| 09:34.48 | themill | kristijonas: the easiest way to do this is using compose sequences, so <compose> <1> <2> gives me ½. <compose> <C> <C> <C> <P> is ☭ etc. /msg dpkg compose |
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| 09:35.21 | themill | it's still a multikey sequence but it can be a mnemonic of your choosing rather than a random number. |
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| 09:36.24 | kristijonas | themill, is the "compose" some button? |
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| 09:36.44 | ChrisH | molavy: your local server is not of interest here. the name your mailer uses during the HELO must resolv to 188.75.99.12 |
| 09:37.06 | DaisyTheCow | themill: How do I tell if I'm loading the db? I've checked the LS_COLOR environment variable and it has the same info as the --print-database info |
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| 09:37.34 | themill | kristijonas: It can be a key of your choosing as dpkg said. I use capslock. dpkg's suggestion would be to use the right logo key. |
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| 09:37.54 | DaisyTheCow | *LS_COLORS |
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| 09:38.20 | osfd | jeep: how does that work ? |
| 09:38.23 | themill | DaisyTheCow: should be enough. So are you sure your terminal can do colours? |
| 09:38.57 | ChrisH | molavy: is that at a university? If yes ask your univeristy IT department if you can relay via them. This will prevent you from lot of troubles |
| 09:39.13 | osfd | tomboy64: from terminal, does not start either and I don't get any error message |
| 09:39.22 | matthias_arch | hi, my python script is not executed completely via a cronjob. I'm writing into a log file and i see that the script stops in the middle. |
| 09:39.48 | matthias_arch | */2 * * * * cd /mnt/hdd/stundenplan && /usr/bin/python bot.py >> log_bot.txt |
| 09:39.55 | kristijonas | themill, so should I type /msg dpkg compose to get information about it? |
| 09:39.57 | molavy | ChrisH: can i connect to this mail server https://mail.bmsu.ac.ir and send email from it , i want show info@bmsu.ac.ir on from bar |
| 09:39.58 | DaisyTheCow | themill: My directories and executable files are coloured so it's getting colours from somewhere. My prompt is coloured and uses 256 colours so as far as I'm aware ls should be able to use colours |
| 09:40.17 | jeep | osfd: strace shows all the system calls the program is making .. it scrolls alot of info fast may want to strace foo > strace.log to scroll through slower later |
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| 09:41.47 | themill | DaisyTheCow: yeah, all sounds fine. no idea. |
| 09:42.04 | themill | kristijonas: yeah. "/msg" is an irc command; dpkg is our bot. |
| 09:42.06 | DaisyTheCow | themill: Thanks for your help anyway. |
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| 09:42.10 | themill | dpkg: tell kristijonas about compose |
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| 09:46.07 | kristijonas | themill, okay, I got the bot message now,but still dont understand what exactly should I do to define some specific symbol to some specific key sequence. |
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| 09:50.28 | ChrisH | molavy: I cannot follow you. https has nothing to do with mailserver. But at least nslookup -q=mx bmsu.ac.ir |
| 09:50.28 | fishcooker1 | i have box behind the adsl modem how to remote it from internet? |
| 09:50.33 | ChrisH | molavy: looks OK |
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| 09:52.42 | tomboy64 | osfd: just run strace pcmanfm |
| 09:52.54 | molavy | ChrisH: i work on journals.bmsu.ac.ir |
| 09:53.10 | osfd | tomboy64: I did it... I'd say cryptic... |
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| 09:53.34 | molavy | journals server with ip 188.75.99.12 |
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| 09:54.09 | molavy | can i send email from this server without problem |
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| 09:54.29 | reavengrey | Who knows? |
| 09:55.31 | matthias_arch | bpeak: this is strange, if i run cd /mnt/hdd/stundenplan && python bot.py >> log_bot.txt i get ascii encode error and if i normaly run it via python bot.py there is no error |
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| 09:56.38 | osfd | tomboy64: jeep http://paste.debian.net/64462/ |
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| 10:00.45 | luichi | maybe some program in /etc/init.d runs them? |
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| 10:06.28 | molavy | ChrisH: should i consider something in this case |
| 10:06.30 | molavy | ? |
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| 10:11.24 | fishcooker | i have box behind the adsl modem how to remote it from internet? *sorry for disconnecting |
| 10:11.55 | molavy | 192.168.42.130 |
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| 10:12.42 | hyppias | wheezy: where can I find a good instruction to install a simple email server on my linux box? which package would you advise? |
| 10:12.48 | molavy | i using android usb tethering connect pc to internet using 3g |
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| 10:12.58 | hyppias | thinking of spam and virus filters too... |
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| 10:15.05 | buu | hyppias: "Simple" and "email server" really don't go together |
| 10:15.28 | hyppias | buu: simple as in "relatively simple"? |
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| 10:15.43 | grn | virtualenvwrapper makes the shell start really slowly. What can I do with it? |
| 10:15.44 | CissWit | hyppias: there's plenty of example on how to install postfix or qmail, courier or cyrius or dovecot, etc |
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| 10:16.49 | CissWit | and it really depends on your use case |
| 10:17.22 | hyppias | trhey say POP is dead. I should look into imap. True? |
| 10:17.23 | buu | hyppias: What I'm trying to say is that email has evolved in to a big giant nasty mess of special cases and painful exceptions. Attempting to run your own email server at this point in history is usually a waste of time. |
| 10:17.35 | CissWit | i find postfix + dovecot quite easy to set up |
| 10:17.42 | CissWit | hyppias: really depend on your needs |
| 10:18.41 | hyppias | ok |
| 10:18.46 | CissWit | I don't even use pop or imap myself for personal emails. |
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| 10:19.01 | hyppias | CissWit: how then? |
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| 10:21.01 | CissWit | i use mutt and directly read mails from a maildir or mailbox. So i just tell procmail to save email in the good folder |
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| 10:23.03 | fishcooker | i have box behind the adsl modem how to remote it from internet? *sorry for disconnecting |
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| 10:23.17 | fishcooker | i don't have access on the adsl modem |
| 10:23.43 | hyppias | I want to read mail on PC (primary), ipad and iphone. Iphone is a nuisance when you want to erase all mails, because my provider does not support imap, only POP. So I thought I'd run my own server, so I can do everything. |
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| 10:28.15 | luichi | hello i have blacklisted sdhci, sdhci_pci and mmc_core in /etc/modprobe.d but they load at the startup. if i manually o modprobe -r shdci, modprobe -r sdhci_pci and mmc_core it works well. whats happening? maybe some program in /etc/init.d runs them? |
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| 10:29.02 | grimeton | luichi: rebuild the initramfs |
| 10:29.30 | luichi | grimeton: ok thanks |
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| 10:56.12 | klys | er, am I supposed to have a /usr/bin/xinput |
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| 10:57.45 | mumpitzel | klys: if the package xinput is installed, then yes |
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| 10:59.17 | klys | looks like I just had a problem with "Packages with files whose names contain the keyword." thx. mumpitzel |
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| 11:02.09 | matthias_arch | my pythonscript in a cronjob does not sucessfully finish. it stops in the middle of the script */2 * * * * python /mnt/hdd/stundenplan/bot.py |
| 11:02.09 | matthias_arch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.43 | maasha | Is there a metapackage for X11 hearders/libs? And what may that be called for Debian stable? |
| 11:02.45 | Nik05 | are you running debian or raspbian? |
| 11:02.49 | maasha | *headers |
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| 11:03.30 | f-a | pardon the naive question: but I am installing debian on the pc of my mother (an acer aspire one 756). where do I check if I have to download the i386 iso or the amd64? |
| 11:03.40 | maasha | lib-x11-dev? |
| 11:04.11 | babilen | f-a: Which processor is it using? Do you want 32bit or 64bit? |
| 11:04.49 | klys | f-a /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:04.49 | maasha | nope :o( that was not it |
| 11:05.13 | klys | maasha |
| 11:05.23 | klys | maasha: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 11:05.32 | maasha | klys: ? |
| 11:05.43 | f-a | klys: was that directed to me? |
| 11:05.53 | maasha | perhaps xorg-dev? |
| 11:06.02 | klys | maasha: if you type "apt-get -f install" do you still need it on the next apt-get ? |
| 11:06.03 | babilen | f-a: forget it, but you might want to answer my questions :-D |
| 11:06.37 | matthias_arch | Nik05: raspbian |
| 11:06.41 | klys | f-a that is where apt configures the host/system architecture |
| 11:06.44 | f-a | babilen: I am checking the processor. I don't really know how the teo possibilities differ! I thought there was one "correct" one! |
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| 11:06.58 | petern_ | Acer 756 is a Pentium B967, which supports 64bit |
| 11:07.05 | themill | klys: really? where exactly? |
| 11:07.22 | petern_ | klys, not useful for someone asking what ISO to get... |
| 11:07.33 | maasha | klys: I hope you have me confused with someone else, because now I am really confused. |
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| 11:07.40 | babilen | klys: f-a asked about the right choice of the installation image, not about configuration of repositories. And given that Debian repositories carry all architectures anyway you need no specific configuration for multiarch in /e/a/sources.list anyway |
| 11:07.58 | klys | themill, f-a: sorry about that. |
| 11:08.12 | klys | :( |
| 11:08.20 | f-a | thanks petern_ . babilen : I promise I will do my homework, but considering the user in case (a 70yo woman, mail and web browsing), is there any reason to pick amd64 over i386? |
| 11:08.23 | f-a | no worries klys |
| 11:08.29 | babilen | f-a: Well, there isn't really one correct one as it really depends on your wishes (and the capabilities of your processor) -- I would probably recommend amd64 if your hardware supports it. |
| 11:08.32 | Nik05 | matthias_arch: there is a #raspbian |
| 11:08.46 | petern_ | f-a, if it has 4GB ram, the i386 version might not be able to use it all. |
| 11:08.59 | matthias_arch | Nik05: already in there, but nobody answered yet |
| 11:09.10 | f-a | thanks pals |
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| 11:09.29 | matthias_arch | Nik05: i thought raspbian is debian based, and there would be no differences between the cronjobs |
| 11:09.36 | babilen | f-a: There are various reasons to use amd64 over i386 as that allows the software to take advantage of x86_64 specific features (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Architectural_features) |
| 11:10.16 | f-a | very good |
| 11:10.28 | babilen | matthias_arch: We don't support anything but pure Debian in here due to technical and social reasons. It is also impossible to answer your question without seeing the script in question and I would recommend to take it to #python, ##linux and #raspbian |
| 11:10.34 | f-a | (don't tell her but I will install the haskell platform too :P). Thanks again babilen |
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| 11:10.40 | tsar | Hi! Got a problem on Jessie (amd64). I've updated everything (including nvidia driver) and rebooted. Now Steam tells me it can't use direct rendering. I tried to fix the issue by installing ia32-libs (I don't really know if it should help), but I've failed: http://pastebin.com/tN6aJ6uf |
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| 11:11.11 | tsar | So the question is: how do I fix the direct rendering and how do I install ia32-libs if necessary? |
| 11:12.05 | babilen | f-a: It, naturally, doesn't make sense to attempt to install amd64 on a box that doesn't support it ;) -- See <multiarch> and, in particular, the referenced wiki entry for information about ways to install 32bit software on amd64. (e.g. skype if you want to use that for video chats with her) -- /msg dpkg multiarch -- /msg dpkg skype |
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| 11:12.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell tsar -about multiarch |
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| 11:13.01 | klys | I may not have answered maasha's question either |
| 11:13.14 | babilen | tsar: You really no longer need ia32-libs and jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- It does, however, look as if you simply 'forgot' to enable i386. |
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| 11:14.14 | klys | can you use the esc key at the linux prompt to change the color ? |
| 11:14.34 | babilen | klys: The colour of what? |
| 11:14.50 | klys | like, ESC[33m green iirc. |
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| 11:15.32 | klys | just until it programmatically directs itself to change it back I mean |
| 11:15.56 | babilen | still doesn't quite follow and guesses that the answer is: No (unless you implement it) |
| 11:16.03 | klys | the prompt |
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| 11:16.14 | babilen | klys: *the prompt* ! \o/ |
| 11:16.48 | babilen | klys: So, you want to be able to hit enter and change PS1 to "green" whenever you do that? |
| 11:16.53 | babilen | s/enter/esc/ |
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| 11:17.33 | klys | er, I don't want to get into an argument, I was just suspecting that an esc sequence could alter the foreground color of the next prompt when you hit return on a tty |
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| 11:18.28 | klys | yes babilen. |
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| 11:19.44 | babilen | klys: Might be possible, but I certainly cannot think of software that enables you to achieve it out of the box. |
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| 11:20.25 | klys | what is <esc> used for at the terminal |
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| 11:22.30 | tsar | babilen, thank you. Though I've begun with "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update" and it didn't help. I'll move to debian-next. |
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| 11:36.46 | klys | looks like <esc> does escape sequences but only the ones bash/readline emulates for input. |
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| 11:47.32 | Mimmo | ciao |
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| 11:47.36 | Mimmo | !list |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | mimmo: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:49.12 | klys | babilen can you apt-get install libc6:amd64 (or i386 if you are using amd64 already) > |
| 11:49.15 | klys | ? |
| 11:51.06 | klys | I think it supports --no-act |
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| 11:58.29 | raboof | i see some talk about nvidia optimus support in recent kernels, but it is unclear to me what it means. Can I expect to get triple-head support for my laptop (which requires using both the intel and the nvidia card) on Debian? (I'm not afraid of using packages from sid or even experimental, and I'm aware of the consequences :) ) |
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| 11:59.08 | EugenA | installed openldap on debian 6. Cannot do ldapadd on terminal, it asks for a password, but it doesn't accept password i've set on ldap installation |
| 11:59.17 | EugenA | how can I set the password again? |
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| 11:59.37 | deepy | Did you reload slapd after settingn the password? |
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| 12:00.24 | klys | reboof there was some news where either ati or nvidia was dropping multi-head support for one of their most recent cards. |
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| 12:00.44 | klys | linux drivers only news |
| 12:00.57 | raboof | oh yeah i'm talking about the open nouveau drivers here |
| 12:01.35 | EugenA | deepy: yes |
| 12:01.35 | klys | !nvidia |
| 12:01.35 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:02.05 | klys | I think linuxfb requires CONFIG_EXPERT which is not in the debian kernels... |
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| 12:02.14 | klys | intelfb... |
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| 12:03.17 | EugenA | deepy: also I can check the config with ldapsearch -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -b "cn=config" |
| 12:03.37 | raboof | klys: you reckon i need intelfb to make optimus work with the onboard card? |
| 12:04.11 | raboof | i *think* i've seen the onboard card work (but i've switched to the nvidia one permanently to have at least dual-head at a power consumption penalty :) ) |
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| 12:04.39 | klys | reboof: I was saying because you said you need both. there is no way to use two framebuffer drivers at once unless one of them is boot-time vesafb. |
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| 12:07.14 | Razkin | Hello guys, I have a problem. |
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| 12:07.44 | raboof | klys: to have 3-head indeed i need both cards active at the same time, which is what Optimus is all about (the nvidia card can drive 2 displays, the intel card 1). i'm not sure how that relates to framebuffers. |
| 12:08.00 | Razkin | Does shutting down your computer by force, and by force, I mean; not using shutdown, but instead, pressing the shutdown button on your laptop, therefore; shutting it down by force. Is this bad? (for a linux distro, i am not talking about windows lol) |
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| 12:08.31 | klys | raboof: I say that but it should not apply to a multihead configuration. |
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| 12:09.54 | raboof | Razkin: basically, yes, that is a problem. journalling filesystems make things a bit less terrible, but there's still applications (such as database servers but also client applications like IDE's) that can have problems when not stopped neatly |
| 12:09.58 | raboof | Razkin: why would you want to? |
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| 12:10.25 | Razkin | raboof: I live in an area, where electricity goes out often, and my battery sucks, man. |
| 12:10.31 | Razkin | my battery is ruined. |
| 12:10.34 | Razkin | its always at 0% |
| 12:10.41 | Razkin | I have to keep it at charge to make my laptop work |
| 12:10.45 | Razkin | so when electricity goes out |
| 12:10.49 | Razkin | my laptop shuts down by force |
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| 12:10.55 | Razkin | i mean, it just shuts down |
| 12:10.56 | raboof | ah that's nasty |
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| 12:11.06 | Razkin | raboof: yeah man |
| 12:11.13 | Razkin | raboof: is this shit gonna harm my computer? |
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| 14:42.58 | kj14 | maxyz, would IPTABLES not solve that issue? |
| 14:43.25 | maxyz | kj14: Which issue? |
| 14:43.50 | kj14 | maxyz, the "bonding devices" or link aggregation? |
| 14:44.17 | maxyz | kj14: It has nothing to do with iptables. |
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| 14:45.12 | kj14 | maxyz, oh, ok. Just out of curiosity, is it possible to have two proxy servers on the same network? |
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| 14:46.55 | maxyz | Sure, it's quite common to have 3 squid in the same machine, one for each uplink, and one attending users using the other two. |
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| 14:47.49 | maxyz | Ok, quite common is a bit of an exageration, let's put it in, it's not unheard. |
| 14:48.50 | kj14 | maxyz, neat. thank you for your response! |
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| 14:54.36 | tty-1 | My ip was just banned for spam - but I don't spam, I never spam :( |
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| 14:55.23 | mumpitzel | tty-1: no one was banned for the last 15 hours |
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| 14:56.41 | grep0r | tty-1, if you are on dynamic ip that might happened someone else might use that ip before you |
| 14:56.43 | maxyz | tty-1: You were kicked of freenode for posting the same message twice in les than 5 seconds, a bit harsh. |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | banned from where? |
| 14:57.44 | maxyz | abrotman: 15:37:37 <-- tty-1 (~jumperswi@ip-109-45-3-49.web.vodafone.de) ha salido (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) |
| 14:57.55 | abrotman | not sure why he's telling us, tell #freenode |
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| 14:58.36 | abrotman | it's their bot, not ours |
| 14:58.49 | maxyz | tty-1: About you question before, no. |
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| 15:01.06 | olf-folks | how to leave server in irssi? |
| 15:01.14 | Skaag | is it possible to get ghostscript 9.x for squeeze? |
| 15:01.24 | Skaag | olf-folks, /disconnect |
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| 15:02.15 | olf-folks | Skaag: tnx |
| 15:02.36 | Skaag | olf-folks, in window 1 (/window 1) make sure you ctrl-x until you're on the right network you want to disconnect from |
| 15:02.39 | mumpitzel | Skaag: wheezy only. just upgrade to debian stable |
| 15:02.56 | Skaag | ok |
| 15:03.14 | Skaag | olf-folks, in window 1, if you /server, you will see the list of servers you're connected to |
| 15:03.21 | Skaag | thanks mumpitzel |
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| 15:04.23 | aktau | Good afternoon |
| 15:04.41 | aktau | I've been trying for 3 hours to get RTC wakeup after shutdown working properly |
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| 15:04.59 | aktau | According to many the rtcwake utility is the best way to do this |
| 15:05.32 | aktau | Yet it doesn't wake up. But what I notice is that I see that the time is forwared one day into the future when I next boot up manually |
| 15:05.58 | mumpitzel | aktau: and your BIOS supports it? and rtcwake supports your BIOS? |
| 15:06.33 | aktau | mumpitzel: my BIOS supports it alright. I can set it manually from the BIOS and then it works |
| 15:07.04 | aktau | mumpitzel: when I leave it enabled, I have to set a time though, and the BIOS overwrites whatever linux sets with its own time every reboot |
| 15:07.11 | aktau | mumpitzel: so leaving it enabled is no good |
| 15:07.44 | aktau | mumpitzel: not sure if rtcwake supports my BIOS, but it was my impression that it was just a handy script that uses the standard linux interfaces to configure the RTC alarm: i.e.: /sys/... |
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| 15:09.44 | mechtn_ | hi guys |
| 15:10.03 | tty-1 | maxyz: so there is just one virtual console provided by the _host_ which is in turn used by the lxc container systems? |
| 15:10.13 | mechtn_ | wondering if anyone can help me. i'm using clonezilla which is based on debian |
| 15:10.15 | tty-1 | maxyz: so one system can connect to it at time? |
| 15:10.33 | mechtn_ | using an app called serva to PXE boot into clonezilla but having problem with one part. |
| 15:10.38 | mechtn_ | append = initrd=NWA_PXE/$HEAD_DIR$/live/initrd.img boot=live config noswap edd=on nomodeset ocs_live_run="/opt/drbl/sbin/ocs-sr -u -q -z2 -i 2048 -sc -p poweroff savedisk ask_user sda" ocs_live_extra_param="" keyboard-layouts=NONE ocs_live_batch="no" locales="en_US.UTF-8" vga=788 nosplash noprompt fetch=tftp://$IP_BSRV$/NWA_PXE/$HEAD_DIR$/live/filesystem.squashfs ocs_prerun1="mount -t cifs -o |
| 15:10.39 | mechtn_ | user=administrator,domain=blah,password=blah //192.168.0.32/software/Clonezilla /home/partimag" ocs_prerun2="sleep 2" |
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| 15:10.44 | tty-1 | maxyz: this is confusing. There are 'true' ttys, then there are virtual tty and then there is also ptmx |
| 15:10.57 | mechtn_ | the ocs_prerun1="mount ... that never works. if i do it manually then it mounts fine |
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| 15:11.31 | mechtn_ | anyone might be willing to try to help me? |
| 15:11.38 | mumpitzel | !tell mechtn_ about based on debian |
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| 15:12.20 | grep0r | mechtn_, just ask :P |
| 15:12.21 | maxyz | tty-1: each lxc instance can have an optional console, you don't need to be connected to it not dedicate a vt. |
| 15:12.35 | john_rambo | Is it possible to configure transmission so that it automatically starts downloading the next torrent when the current finishes ? |
| 15:13.19 | tty-1 | maxyz: the optional console per lxc instance is provided by the lxc instance itself? |
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| 15:13.44 | maxyz | john_rambo: Some torrent clients have an amount of active downloads, no idea if transmission has that. |
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| 15:15.07 | tty-1 | john_rambo: https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8025 |
| 15:15.10 | Skaag | john_rambo, you can limit the number of "actives" |
| 15:15.17 | Skaag | which achieves what you want |
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| 15:16.17 | mechtn_ | ok maybe someone can tell me this |
| 15:16.40 | mechtn_ | is ocs_prerun a standard part of debian? |
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| 15:16.46 | grep0r | john_rambo, you can try vuse too is nice client with many features |
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| 15:16.58 | mechtn_ | if so how can review the logs from what ran to see if it got any error messages? |
| 15:17.14 | maasha | Hey, I am playing with fwbuilder - it says that iptables are for kernel version 2.4 and 2.6. What about 3.x ? |
| 15:17.24 | bananapie | I am looking to install a much older computer. The processor is equivalent to a Pentium 1. If I install i386 packages are they really i386 or i686 ? |
| 15:17.28 | maxyz | tty-1: A true tty is a vt100 connected through a serial cable to you pc. A vt is the text terminal you have Ctrl-Alt-F1-6, the pseudo terminals are the ones created on the fly for xterm and such. |
| 15:17.55 | abrotman | bananapie: i486 |
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| 15:18.06 | abrotman | bananapie: so yes, should work |
| 15:18.23 | abrotman | (given other OS requirements, such as RAM, etC) |
| 15:18.26 | bananapie | Ok, beautiful. Ubuntu doesn't run on the machine, apparently they are i686. Up until now, I thought x86 was x86. |
| 15:18.36 | abrotman | bananapie: no, unfortunately |
| 15:19.06 | grep0r | bananapie, you might need a different flavor something really light |
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| 15:19.14 | mechtn_ | grep0r - is ocs_prerun a standard part of debian? |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | mechtn_: does it have a man page? |
| 15:19.25 | tomreyn | hi there. i've manage a system running debian wheezy, nginx, php-fpm (via fastcgi) and a database server on a KVM VM which is backed by an LV on encrypted RAID1. normally http requests which are processed by php-fpm are fast, but if there are disk writes (simulated by dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/ddtest count=512 bs=1024k) the http requests block until the disk write has completed. so requests which normally take 0.2 seconds end up taking 6 to 8 secon |
| 15:19.26 | tomreyn | ds is there are disk writes going on. on the other hand the dd does get a throughput of 80 to 100 MB/s. |
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| 15:19.41 | tty-1 | maxyz: so we speak about VT when there should be a console to a lxc instnace |
| 15:19.45 | maxyz | tty-1: console is a special tty, that can be defined in grub or as a kernel parameter, lxc uses console to grant you direct access to the system. |
| 15:19.46 | grep0r | mechtn_, i dont think so its not on my pc |
| 15:19.49 | bananapie | I am installing using debootstrap |
| 15:20.18 | tty-1 | maxyz: the console is the main / primary tty to which all system messages go? |
| 15:20.28 | maxyz | tty-1: for the guest is console, for the host is a pty (pseudo terminal) |
| 15:20.51 | grep0r | yeap |
| 15:20.56 | tomreyn | so my problem is that disk writes block http requests (it does not matter whether those end up on the database) from being processed at acceptable speed. what could i do about this? |
| 15:21.37 | tty-1 | maxyz: so a tty was a hardware terminal, now it is treated as a virtual console (pty)? |
| 15:22.01 | mechtn_ | grep0r - how can i replay everything from my boot so i can see what all happened |
| 15:22.14 | tty-1 | maxyz: ah, the guest of course uses a console as a physical one and so it has to be linked to some virtual terminal on the host |
| 15:22.28 | tty-1 | maxyz: I am confused about tty, pty, ptmx |
| 15:22.37 | tty-1 | and what it tmux / screen? userspace tools which use ptmx? |
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| 15:22.51 | maxyz | tty-1: Well, it's a virtual machine. For that virtual machine the real hardware is a pseudo terminal in you "real" machine. :) |
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| 15:24.51 | tty-1 | maxyz: ok, so the console is an output device (physical, graphic card in text mode), a tty is a virtual terminal which can be connected to a console (or over ssh and so on) and what is a pty then? |
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| 15:26.05 | grep0r | mechtn_, are you maybe using clonezilla or something? and what do you mean replay everything from my boot exactly |
| 15:26.50 | mechtn_ | so as linux boots up it scrolls abunch of stuff.. eventually a gui pops up and clears my screen |
| 15:26.58 | mechtn_ | i think its cat /var/log/dmesg |
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| 15:27.20 | mechtn_ | but that doesnt look like everything to me that should have been logged |
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| 15:27.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mechtn_ about bootlog |
| 15:28.10 | kokalaa | hi all, how can i know where my usb is on /dev/sda or /dev/sdb, with lsusb or fdisk -l i dono't see it |
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| 15:29.08 | abrotman | kokalaa: you might want to look in 'dmesg', it may have failed to register for some rason |
| 15:29.09 | tty-1 | maxyz: what is the difference between tty and pty? |
| 15:29.25 | bananapie | thanks abrotman and grep0r, I am running debootstrap now. I'll post my results in about an hour |
| 15:29.33 | tty-1 | maxyz: this is most confusing. A ptmx does automatically spawn new ttys (or were those ptys) when being opened, right? |
| 15:29.46 | grep0r | bananapie, yw lets see :) |
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| 15:30.19 | bananapie | The disk is really slow, it takes about an hour to debootstrap it and add linux, grub and openssh-server |
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| 15:32.21 | raboof | 'mkinitramfs -v -o /tmp/x 3.11-1-amd64' gives me http://paste.debian.net/64511 on stdout and 'Illegal instruction (core dumped)' on stderr. how do I debug that? :) |
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| 15:33.26 | jelly | raboof: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:33.36 | kokalaa | to format my usb stick, is this command right? mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb |
| 15:33.49 | jelly | raboof: and why mkinitramfs instead of update-initramfs |
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| 15:34.02 | Skaag | is Wheezy considered debian 7? |
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| 15:34.13 | abrotman | Skaag: yes |
| 15:34.16 | Skaag | thanks |
| 15:34.17 | jelly | Skaag: wheezy is the codename for debian 7 release, yes |
| 15:34.18 | abrotman | Skaag: /topic |
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| 15:34.36 | raboof | jelly: mostly jessie with a little bit of sid, and i'm doing mkinitramfs because I looked at the update-initramfs shellscript and noticed that's the command where it fails :) |
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| 15:35.40 | kokalaa | any one can help me to format my usb stik |
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| 15:37.14 | raboof | interestingly mkinitramfs does run all the way to the end and does produce a gzipped file in /tmp/x |
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| 15:38.33 | raboof | so i guess it's unclear exactly which command writes to stderr here |
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| 15:39.00 | mtn | kokalaa: use gparted |
| 15:39.10 | fraff | hi all, do you see a good reason why debian wheezy amd64 only display 2G of ram (with free -m) on a hp proliant DL380 that has 8G of ram ? |
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| 15:39.30 | fraff | s/good// |
| 15:39.55 | Ice_Strike | LXTerminal look messed up after I did apt-get upgrade |
| 15:39.58 | Skaag | fraff, whatever reason it has, it must be good :) |
| 15:40.00 | Ice_Strike | http://s14.postimg.org/hnqmzf4rl/termin.png |
| 15:40.05 | Ice_Strike | What causing that and how to fix? |
| 15:40.38 | kokalaa | mtn: i get it with command line |
| 15:40.58 | kokalaa | mtn: what i don't understand is why i have sdb1 and 2 and 3 and for |
| 15:41.00 | grep0r | tty-1, your question is answered here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4426280/what-do-pty-and-tty-mean on general site is a good source add on bookmarks if not yet ;) |
| 15:41.08 | fraff | Skaag: well, my boss doesn't agree with you ... |
| 15:41.11 | raboof | continues doodling around editing the mkinitramfs script to see where exactly it fails :S |
| 15:41.14 | mtn | kokalaa: those are partitions on the disk |
| 15:41.37 | kokalaa | mtn:that's the Problem, the usb has only one partiotion |
| 15:41.46 | kokalaa | and fdisk -l show more then one |
| 15:41.48 | mtn | kokalaa: doesn't sound like it ;) |
| 15:42.09 | jelly | fraff: does the BIOS and boot-up sequence show the full 8GB? |
| 15:42.15 | mtn | kokalaa: if fdisk shows more than one, then you have more than one |
| 15:42.27 | jelly | fraff: did you put the modules in the correct order? |
| 15:42.42 | Skaag | fraff, you followed this? ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1976866454/v67901/Debian-ProLiant-Support-Notes-20110527.pdf |
| 15:42.43 | kokalaa | mtn: any way i have format it with mkfs.vfat -F 32 -I /dev/sdb , 'I' for ovvereid |
| 15:43.34 | raboof | OK, it's 'ldconfig -r /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_cqSmsd' |
| 15:43.43 | jelly | Skaag: those instructions are outdated, debian 5 and 6 mentioned |
| 15:43.48 | fraff | jelly: yes, the bios shows the 8G ... but what modules are you talking about ? |
| 15:43.56 | Skaag | maybe but they do mention a firmware step that might be required |
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| 15:44.05 | jelly | fraff: the physical memory modules |
| 15:44.20 | molavy | why i can not use update debian |
| 15:44.27 | fraff | jelly: ho, yes, they where already in |
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| 15:45.02 | fraff | Skaag: no, I've used a custom live key and debootstrap, I'm reading your doc |
| 15:45.17 | jelly | fraff: ok, let's assume they're in the correct places. which debian release are you installing? |
| 15:45.22 | Skaag | fraff, it may be a longshot, but who knows :-\ |
| 15:45.24 | Skaag | good luck mate |
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| 15:46.48 | fraff | jelly: wheezy |
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| 15:47.07 | jelly | but yes, updating all the firmware of a proliant is a good idea for other reasons |
| 15:47.27 | molavy | apt-get update return Could not resolve 'ftp.kr.debian.org' |
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| 15:48.31 | raboof | is there a package with debugging symbols for /sbin/ldconfig.real or is that only possible for libraries? |
| 15:48.37 | Ice_Strike | LXTerminal look messed up after I did apt-get upgrade |
| 15:48.38 | Ice_Strike | http://s14.postimg.org/hnqmzf4rl/termin.png |
| 15:48.41 | Ice_Strike | What causing that and how to fix? |
| 15:49.29 | jelly | raboof: huh, is ldconfig.real what SIGILLs? |
| 15:49.31 | fraff | jelly: Skaag: thanks |
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| 15:49.50 | moondog | molavy: you may have a dns problem... or no internet connection |
| 15:49.57 | raboof | hmm 'apt-get install --reinstall libc-bin/jessie' seems to have fixed it. scary. |
| 15:50.02 | moondog | that host resolves for me |
| 15:50.15 | raboof | jelly: jep |
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| 15:50.40 | jelly | raboof: if a bit flipped somewhere in it, it might point to hw issues |
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| 15:52.28 | mtn | Ice_Strike: did you reboot after your upgrade? do you use special video drivers? |
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| 15:52.42 | maxyz | raboof: remove the dust in the memory chips. :) |
| 15:52.51 | mtn | Ice_Strike: and what did you upgrade to and from? |
| 15:52.51 | raboof | ;) |
| 15:53.17 | molavy | i can ping it ping ftp.kr.debian.org PING ftp.kaist.ac.kr (143.248.234.110) 56(84) bytes of data. |
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| 15:54.27 | imau | ++ |
| 15:54.32 | molavy | error change to Unable to connect to ftp.kr.debian.org:http: |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | molavy: use a pastebin please |
| 15:55.04 | molavy | for one line error |
| 15:55.09 | molavy | ? |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | for all of your command and output |
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| 15:57.22 | kj14 | maxyz, is squid a better solution than SOCKS? |
| 15:57.25 | maxyz | molavy: The "Unable to connect to ftp.kr.debian.org:http:" looks suspiciusly broken. |
| 15:57.32 | molavy | how can i solve this error |
| 15:57.33 | molavy | http://dpaste.com/1447110/ |
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| 15:58.34 | jordanm | molavy: use a different mirror |
| 15:59.07 | molavy | jordanm: which mirror do you recommend |
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| 15:59.22 | jordanm | cdn.debian.net |
| 15:59.40 | molavy | ftp.cdn.debian.org? |
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| 16:01.02 | dbast_ | or see http.debian.net |
| 16:01.07 | dbast_ | e.g. deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main |
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| 16:01.51 | maxyz | squid is a cache proxy, it needs to understand the protocol to cache the data. |
| 16:01.58 | abrotman | he may have a proxy in the way |
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| 16:02.12 | MrMonkey31 | hi anyone know this? if I just whack the folders called Downloads, Music and Pictures that are in my home dir, will that confuse any programs. I mean is there even a chance a normal program I install down the line sometime will pop up some sorta frightening (to some) notifier like "using alternate location!"? |
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| 16:02.54 | mtn | MrMonkey31: browsers usually use the download folder for, you know, downloads |
| 16:02.59 | abrotman | MrMonkey31: something will likely create them again |
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| 16:03.14 | kj14 | oh ok |
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| 16:03.28 | maxyz | MrMonkey31: If you don't want those, or want to change them edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
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| 16:04.21 | maxyz | MrMonkey31: Most likely they will be created on login if you just remove them. |
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| 16:05.19 | maxyz | (there should be a way in most desktop environments to edit that file other than, well a text editor, but I really don't know the one for KDE, which I probably should). |
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| 16:05.50 | molavy | which port for update must open |
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| 16:06.26 | maxyz | You need to access the port 80 of a remote server and receive the replies. |
| 16:06.38 | molavy | dbast_: that may relate to this that i am on guest and host limit ports |
| 16:06.45 | molavy | ? |
| 16:07.02 | molavy | which port should i open for get update |
| 16:07.07 | molavy | ? |
| 16:07.12 | maxyz | molavy: ^ |
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| 16:07.42 | maxyz | The same as if you were browsing the web. |
| 16:08.14 | maxyz | If you need to configure a proxy to browse the web, you'll need to configure the proxy in apt. |
| 16:08.24 | molavy | maxyz: http://dpaste.com/1447126/ |
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| 16:10.01 | molavy | maxyz: ignore first command , please check line 73 |
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| 16:15.57 | maxyz | Check the problem with your network admin. You seem to be able to solve names but you don't receive replies for http connections, and you seem to have some ipv6, but you don't have a route to reach http.debian.net |
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| 16:17.11 | Dagger2 | "Could not resolve 'http.debian.org'" somewhat suggests he can't resolve names |
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| 16:17.47 | Dagger2 | or rather, that DNS resolution is flakey, since some resolution is working |
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| 16:17.55 | maxyz | Dagger2: http.debian.org is an unexistant hostname |
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| 16:18.21 | Dagger2 | oh, so it is |
| 16:18.37 | molavy | http://http.debian.net/debian/ is ok |
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| 16:22.23 | rue_house | I need a command line program that can play wav files, ideas? |
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| 16:23.02 | Dagger2 | molavy: pastebin the output of `wget -O/dev/null http://http.debian.net/debian/`? that might help explain those specific errors |
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| 16:23.29 | maxyz | rue_house: play |
| 16:23.50 | rue_house | part of sox, sneaky |
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| 16:24.41 | Ice_Strike | LXTerminal look messed up after I did apt-get upgrade |
| 16:24.42 | Ice_Strike | http://s14.postimg.org/hnqmzf4rl/termin.png |
| 16:24.48 | Ice_Strike | What causing that and how to fix? |
| 16:24.59 | zykotick9 | rue_house: mplayer also being an option |
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| 16:25.14 | mtn | Ice_Strike: did you answer my questions? |
| 16:25.32 | rue_house | isn't using mplayer like using a semitruck to pull out a tooth? |
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| 16:26.15 | molavy | Dagger2: http://dpaste.com/1447149/ |
| 16:26.15 | klys | rue_house: it seems to work, if you don't want it use vlc or gstreamer. |
| 16:26.16 | Ice_Strike | mtn Sorry I missed it, I've have rebooted. |
| 16:26.24 | mtn | Ice_Strike: did you reboot after your upgrade? do you use special video drivers? |
| 16:26.27 | mtn | Ice_Strike: and what did you upgrade to and from? |
| 16:26.47 | Ice_Strike | I have rebooted, I don't use special video drivers |
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| 16:26.49 | maxyz | rue_house: It depends, you can probably play a wav using dd and skipping the header. :) |
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| 16:27.02 | Ice_Strike | I am using raspbian |
| 16:27.07 | Ice_Strike | Other software work fine |
| 16:27.17 | Ice_Strike | Just LXTerminal messed up |
| 16:27.32 | mtn | Ice_Strike: oh, raspbian isn't supported on this channel |
| 16:27.35 | rue_house | Iwas gonna convert my old wav player code to alsa, but alsa requires 6x as much code to do what oss does |
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| 16:28.05 | bananapie | thanks abrotman and grep0r, Debian wheezy runs on the device thanks for your help! |
| 16:28.14 | klys | rue_house: sox should play .wav on alsa, esd, and oss |
| 16:28.36 | rue_house | yea, just trying to work out how to specify the alsa card |
| 16:28.53 | maxyz | rue_house: And you need to support pulse also. :) |
| 16:28.55 | Dagger2 | molavy: ok, yeah, that looks like DNS problems |
| 16:29.03 | grep0r | bananapie, well done! |
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| 16:29.32 | rue_house | whats the deal with pulse, another abstraction layer? |
| 16:29.51 | molavy | how can i find where is problem exactly |
| 16:29.56 | molavy | ? |
| 16:30.22 | rue_house | when will YAGAL come out? (Yet Another Generic Abstration Layer) |
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| 16:30.58 | abrotman | bananapie: great to hear |
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| 16:31.27 | maxyz | rue_house: After every software has migrated to pulse, of course. |
| 16:32.01 | abrotman | rue_house: it's a bit more than just another layer, mildly worth learning about |
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| 16:33.26 | rue_house | hey, play dosn't have a command line for audio device, yo have to set an env var.... wtf?!?!?!.... |
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| 16:34.40 | e-anima | ok. what user should own the files of a cms/website |
| 16:34.41 | e-anima | Debian's Apache packages come configured to run as user 'www-data'. This is potentially confusing: files to be served by apache should not be owned by 'www-data', as apache should not normally be allowed to modify them (i.e. as long as you're not running a wiki). |
| 16:34.50 | e-anima | i found this in the docs |
| 16:35.37 | mumpitzel | e-anima: the user who uploads the files and maintains the website imho |
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| 16:35.48 | e-anima | hm well i do that qas root |
| 16:35.53 | abrotman | which hopefully isn't root or www-data |
| 16:35.57 | abrotman | uh .. *facepalm* |
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| 16:36.00 | e-anima | it is root |
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| 16:36.11 | quinso | Can anybody remind me where are the config files for logs stored? I remember there is an option to enable human-readable time and date. |
| 16:36.20 | e-anima | so u advise me to add a new user, to what group? |
| 16:36.43 | abrotman | it doesn't really matter |
| 16:37.16 | e-anima | just looking for a best practice |
| 16:37.26 | e-anima | just a simplöe website/cms |
| 16:37.43 | maxyz | e-anima: don't use root unless you really have to. |
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| 16:38.27 | abrotman | e-anima: have a web-only user that you use to upload/edit that content, change the apache DirectoryRoot to point to your content |
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| 16:39.15 | petern__ | rue_house, "play" specifically uses the default sound device. |
| 16:39.24 | petern__ | rue_house, if you want something else, use sox with -t |
| 16:39.28 | usrnix | Hi, how can I restore the foss ati drivers after trying the proprietary ones other than uninstalling the proprietary ones and remove the X11 config file? |
| 16:39.29 | rue_house | yea, I have 3 sound cards, |
| 16:39.45 | rue_house | I'm getting there, sox docs are not the cats socks |
| 16:39.48 | petern__ | sox file -t alsa hw:Name |
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| 16:41.10 | e-anima | aboman and waht group is that user in? www-data? |
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| 16:42.15 | rue_house | its trying to play hw:0 |
| 16:42.34 | petern__ | What I just wrote works. |
| 16:43.22 | abrotman | e-anima: its own? |
| 16:43.39 | rue_house | petern__, ... |
| 16:43.39 | molavy | Dagger2: thanks |
| 16:43.42 | molavy | it solved |
| 16:44.04 | petern__ | ... what? |
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| 16:44.39 | molavy | but i don't know how , i just remove port 53 from forwarding to guest and restart host server |
| 16:44.42 | rue_house | http://paste.debian.net/64521/ <-- no it dosn't |
| 16:44.54 | rue_house | oh soz not play |
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| 16:45.04 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 16:45.11 | rue_house | I take it back, nevermind.. |
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| 16:45.20 | d3xter | is there a way to tell wine to use pulseaudio instead of using /dev devices directly? |
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| 16:45.58 | molavy | abrotman: maxyz: thanks |
| 16:45.59 | petern__ | d3xter, it will use pulse via alsa, with the default configuration |
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| 16:46.08 | e-anima | puh this is hard. problem also is that the permissions i want are not enough to run teh website correctly i did root:www-data and set rwx r - it then cant read the .htaccess |
| 16:46.09 | zykotick9 | d3xter: "IF" you don't get an answer here, you might want to try in #winehq |
| 16:46.19 | d3xter | petern__: but currently it directly uses "/dev/snd/*" |
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| 16:46.33 | Ice_Strike | what is alternative to lxterminal? |
| 16:46.37 | d3xter | if im not mistaken |
| 16:46.39 | e-anima | i thing i seriously need some reading material. i have seen a lot of people then just chmod set ti 775 but well may work but .. |
| 16:46.41 | abrotman | Ice_Strike: numerous |
| 16:46.45 | d3xter | zykotick9: ok thanks, will ask there too |
| 16:47.04 | Ice_Strike | which is decent one? |
| 16:47.12 | petern__ | in winecfg, set the audio device to "system default" |
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| 16:47.30 | petern__ | as long as pulse is running and you haven't tweak your default device in your alsa config, then it'll go via pulse. |
| 16:47.34 | petern__ | +ed |
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| 16:47.48 | d3xter | petern__: did that, still it says "/dev/snd/control0 : wine" |
| 16:48.14 | d3xter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.29 | rue_house | sweet, thanks! |
| 16:48.35 | d3xter | petern__: when i open alsamixer, it displays a "pa" mixer, so i guess alsa is using pa as back-end? |
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| 16:49.42 | petern__ | ah |
| 16:49.52 | zykotick9 | d3xter: actually Pulse uses ALSA as the backend |
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| 16:50.14 | petern__ | if you're on 64bit, do you have libasound2-plugins:i386 installed? |
| 16:50.19 | e-anima | this in my opition sounds good: http://serverfault.com/questions/6895/whats-the-best-way-of-handling-permissions-for-apache2s-user-www-data-in-var |
| 16:50.30 | rue_house | and if you want, you can get alsa to use oss |
| 16:50.40 | petern__ | oss is dead |
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| 16:50.55 | rue_house | its too bad, it had a great app set |
| 16:51.07 | petern__ | it was inflexible. |
| 16:51.10 | rue_house | xmms and sox, mpg123 |
| 16:51.25 | d3xter | petern__: nope :O |
| 16:51.30 | rue_house | xmms2 is junk as far as I'm concerned... |
| 16:51.42 | petern__ | d3xter, you're not on 64 bit, or it's not installed? |
| 16:51.59 | d3xter | petern__: i'm on 64bit but its not installed |
| 16:52.00 | rue_house | ok, I'm gonna stop botherng you lot, thankyou for the help! |
| 16:52.01 | d3xter | will try that |
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| 16:52.11 | petern__ | d3xter, that should help then :) |
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| 16:57.10 | d3xter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.52 | e-anima | this is so confusing |
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| 17:07.37 | pzn | I need to see a TST file (this is a certified timestamping authority file). which package in debian can I use to show its content? |
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| 17:10.28 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a howto for replacing android with debian? I don't care about android, its an old tablet witch a broken touch screen. It could however serve as a low power consumption micro server. |
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| 17:11.18 | OnkelTem | What is not configured correctly if I have problem with Russian text: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pg45p8vg7o07s8v/Screenshot%20from%202013-11-07%2021%3A07%3A41.png ? This is SSH session from my Ubuntu PC with UTF-8 |
| 17:11.40 | abrotman | OnkelTem: #ubuntu please |
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| 17:12.22 | CissWit | ElDiabolo: you can try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid |
| 17:12.55 | OnkelTem | abrotman: no, I'm SSHing from Ubuntu. But this is debian 7 server |
| 17:13.05 | abrotman | ah, gotcha |
| 17:13.48 | d3xter | petern__: wow, when i try to install it with apitude, it wants to remove a lot of gnome stuff ^^ |
| 17:13.54 | CissWit | abrotman: do you have an auto reply on "ubuntu" and "mint" to redirect people ? ^^ |
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| 17:14.25 | abrotman | CissWit: do you need help? |
| 17:15.20 | OnkelTem | So some letters are replaced with light dots on dark squares. The other letters are displayed correctly. |
| 17:15.38 | e-anima | i just want to add user/permissions to all files of the cms. secure way good eway |
| 17:15.41 | abrotman | OnkelTem: quite likely a locale issue |
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| 17:16.25 | e-anima | i can not set the permissiosn correctly. of course i can set them workng an it works |
| 17:16.36 | abrotman | OnkelTem: look at the output of 'locale' on each system |
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| 17:19.25 | ElDiabolo | CissWit, Thx, but that keeps the android, I would prefer to get rid of it. |
| 17:19.39 | mumpitzel | (lastlog ElDiabolo |
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| 17:20.07 | OnkelTem | abrotman: right! Russian locale is missed completely. I wonder how it still displays *some* russian letters correctly :) UTF-8 rocks! |
| 17:20.08 | mumpitzel | ElDiabolo: there cannot be such a howto. the OS of an embedded device is always device specific, including the installation instructions |
| 17:20.44 | slalec | Hi, what would be the best way to turn a debian install with gnome 3 into a minimal server? |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | slalec: start with removing 'xorg' |
| 17:21.08 | abrotman | and gnome-shell |
| 17:21.38 | slalec | abrotman: ok i'll do that now. do i need to do a restart? |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | slalec: up to you, but i'd exit Xorg/gnome3 first |
| 17:22.14 | zykotick9 | slalec: honestly, i think you are doing this backwards... better to start from minimal, and only add what you NEED. YMMV. |
| 17:22.23 | slalec | abrotman: ok |
| 17:22.32 | C00re | zykotick9: i second that |
| 17:22.36 | abrotman | zykotick9: i just answered the question he asked! |
| 17:22.59 | slalec | zykotick9: i dont have physical access to the machine |
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| 17:23.13 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i agree. i just think the methodology is flawed (not your assistance!) |
| 17:23.19 | abrotman | slalec: if you remove libx11 or whatever it is, you'll get a lot of stuff removed quickly |
| 17:23.36 | grep0r | slalec, yes if it is for server you start for minimal means depends what you have to do, then if needed add on general try to have as less as possible (example only services you want etc) |
| 17:23.37 | slalec | abrotman: ok |
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| 17:24.52 | grep0r | two reasons for that first is better security and second less resources |
| 17:25.23 | grep0r | and be sure on server to use stable not test |
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| 17:25.32 | odla | how can i add a format to gnome 3 in debian? i just see united states in the region and language formats tab and want to add iceland |
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| 17:27.50 | grep0r | odla, try applications->system tools->time and date from there unlock |
| 17:27.54 | zykotick9 | odla: i'm assuming english is not your first language. but "format" is NOT the right word there, perhaps Language or Locale would be better |
| 17:28.13 | odla | zykotick9: english is my first language. |
| 17:28.19 | odla | it says format in that tab |
| 17:28.20 | zykotick9 | odla: sorry |
| 17:28.24 | odla | that's ok |
| 17:28.33 | grep0r | odla, you mean timezone isnt it? |
| 17:28.43 | odla | timezone shows up as GMT, which is correct |
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| 17:29.06 | odla | i want date to be 7 Nov not Nov 7 |
| 17:29.09 | odla | you know? |
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| 17:29.39 | odla | do i need to add locales? |
| 17:29.40 | ChibaPet | odla: My preferred date format is: It is now %l:%M %p on %A, %B %d, %Y. |
| 17:29.40 | abrotman | possibly |
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| 17:30.58 | odla | i see /usr/share/i18n/locales/is_IS |
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| 17:37.36 | e-anima | ls -al shows hidden files like .htaccess so i wrote this into my .bashrc alias ll='ls -al' |
| 17:37.42 | e-anima | that is a correct alias right? |
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| 17:38.57 | zykotick9 | e-anima: i personally use a lot of alias' so i find using ~/.bash_aliases handy YMMV |
| 17:39.10 | babilen | same here :) |
| 17:39.36 | e-anima | http://paste.debian.net/64534/ |
| 17:39.44 | e-anima | the fun thing is ll does not show hidden files |
| 17:39.47 | e-anima | ls -al does |
| 17:39.59 | e-anima | there must be something wrong with my aliases |
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| 17:40.50 | zykotick9 | e-anima: after adding them, did you "source ~/.bashrc" ? |
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| 17:41.13 | e-anima | oh |
| 17:41.14 | e-anima | ops |
| 17:41.19 | e-anima | thx forgut |
| 17:41.31 | e-anima | thought i did that. did it again. now works. so i did not |
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| 17:50.10 | Improv | If I really need one package in debian experimental, but don't want anything else from that channel to show up with future "apt-get update", what's the best way to manage that? |
| 17:53.17 | d3xter | is there any way to install 2 architectures of the same package? |
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| 17:57.23 | d3xter | Improv: does it have a lot of dependencies? |
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| 17:58.29 | petn-randall | Improv: Experimental is an addon to unstable. Unless you're running unstable/sid, add the experimental repo will break your system in the long run. |
| 17:58.37 | petn-randall | s/add/adding/ |
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| 17:58.59 | maxyz | d3xter: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 18:01.22 | d3xter | maxyz: already did that, but when i try to install the i386 version of libopus1, the amd64 version will get removed |
| 18:01.25 | maxyz | petn-randall: experimental has a priority of 1 by default, so you'll won't get te packages from experimental unless you force apt to do it. |
| 18:01.58 | maxyz | d3xter: The packages have to be prepared in a multiarch way |
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| 18:02.30 | petn-randall | maxyz: Installing experimental packages on stable will *still* break your system, no matter how the repo is pinned. |
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| 18:04.06 | michal_ | I wonder about debian or ubuntu? |
| 18:04.11 | michal_ | without "?" :D |
| 18:04.18 | petern__ | What's to wonder? |
| 18:04.37 | d3xter | maxyz: so i need to wait for the packages to be prepared? |
| 18:04.39 | michal_ | which is better |
| 18:04.48 | michal_ | for desktop |
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| 18:05.00 | petern__ | Wonder that elsewhere, I guess. |
| 18:05.01 | d3xter | michal_: depends on your needs |
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| 18:05.09 | maxyz | michal_: You are asking in the wrong channel... |
| 18:05.20 | michal_ | I want play dota(steam) and programming ;) |
| 18:05.20 | petn-randall | michal_: You're asking on #debian, we're hardly unbiased ... |
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| 18:05.40 | michal_ | I had debian 4 months ;) |
| 18:06.10 | petn-randall | michal_: steam won't run on Debian stable, so you'd have to install testing. |
| 18:06.27 | michal_ | and I cant install bumblebee on debian |
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| 18:06.36 | michal_ | so I installed ubuntu, but I like debian ;) |
| 18:06.43 | petern__ | $ steam-debian |
| 18:06.43 | petern__ | Running Steam on debian 7 64-bit |
| 18:06.48 | petern__ | yup, totally not working... |
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| 18:06.55 | aoeuhtns | hi guys, one of the disks crashed in a raid1. now how can I mount the disk to /mnt? |
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| 18:07.11 | rozie | aoeuhtns: what for? |
| 18:07.15 | petn-randall | Oh wait, just saw the dependency for libc6 dropped from 2.15 to 2.12, so you can run it on stable. |
| 18:07.21 | aoeuhtns | rozie: to save data. |
| 18:07.34 | rozie | aoeuhtns: no need to do this if you use raid1 |
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| 18:07.35 | petern__ | I've been running it for months... |
| 18:07.48 | rozie | just replace faulty disk |
| 18:08.00 | michal_ | so good way is to install debian stable -> steam -> bumblebee and play? |
| 18:08.03 | petn-randall | petern__: It wasn't that long ago that it needed 2.15, I can still recall the tons of support requests here. |
| 18:08.04 | rozie | (and check if it started to rebuild) |
| 18:08.13 | aoeuhtns | well rozie I know.. should not be neccesary.. would still be running. and I dont really know why it faild on me this horribly |
| 18:08.37 | rozie | you replaced the wrong disk, maybe? |
| 18:08.46 | aoeuhtns | rozie: first I saw disk crashed, then after some days my home didnt want to mount |
| 18:08.57 | rozie | aoeuhtns: is it hardware or software raid? |
| 18:08.58 | aoeuhtns | rozie: i didnt touch the disks.. |
| 18:08.59 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: If one disk in your RAID1 failed, you want to restore the redundancy *first*, then you want to copy data off it. |
| 18:09.00 | aoeuhtns | software |
| 18:09.17 | aoeuhtns | petn-randall: ok |
| 18:09.39 | aoeuhtns | then that means removing the disk from raid, as I dont have a spare here right now |
| 18:09.41 | rozie | exactly, accessing faulty drive may lead to different issues |
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| 18:09.59 | rozie | aoeuhtns: shut the system down, get spare, replace, start the system |
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| 18:10.18 | maxyz | d3xter: Some libraries are harder to add multiarch support than others, you can always ask the maintainer or send a wishlist bug |
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| 18:10.31 | aoeuhtns | will take days before I get a spare, can I just remove the faulty disk and all good? |
| 18:10.32 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: turn both disks off and wait until you have a spare disk. |
| 18:10.38 | aoeuhtns | ok. |
| 18:11.01 | michal_ | gnome is the most supported environment on debian? |
| 18:11.14 | aoeuhtns | I though raid1 was just a mirror, and I could mount it as any other disk |
| 18:11.15 | rozie | it really depends what you want and how do you calculate the risk |
| 18:11.20 | maxyz | d3xter: http://bugs.debian.org/674467 |
| 18:11.22 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: "will take days before I get a spare, can I just remove the faulty disk and all good?" ← depends on how important the data is for you. |
| 18:11.58 | aoeuhtns | rozie: I got a different disk (smaller), that I can use to put backup on, if I can access the working disk |
| 18:12.28 | aoeuhtns | its important. as its my homedir, but got backup of the most crucial things |
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| 18:12.51 | petern__ | so, er |
| 18:12.59 | d3xter | maxyz: yeah, found that bug too, thanks |
| 18:13.20 | petern__ | yeah raid1, if a drive dies, and one is remaining, it will just carry on working |
| 18:13.23 | petern__ | if not, you did something wrong. |
| 18:13.58 | aoeuhtns | petern__: I didnt do anything.. maybe I didnt remove the disk soon enough from raid, and it started working again and the data was different :p |
| 18:14.29 | petern__ | "started working again" |
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| 18:15.03 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: Then show us the actual info. Output of 'cat /proc/mdstat', along with 'mdadm --detail /dev/<raiddevice>' |
| 18:15.06 | aoeuhtns | I heard something spin up.. made some noises.. and suddenly my home folder was remounted in ro. raid never were the same :) |
| 18:15.26 | petern__ | sounds like maybe you had both drives die |
| 18:15.35 | aoeuhtns | shows up as U_ now |
| 18:16.01 | petern__ | either way, if there's one member, you just mount the raid as normal. that's pretty much the point of it. |
| 18:16.14 | aoeuhtns | petern__: I thought that too :\ |
| 18:16.24 | petern__ | so when you mount the raid now, what happens? |
| 18:16.39 | petern__ | and what petn-randall said |
| 18:16.41 | aoeuhtns | petern__: tried mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt as that failed I tried to specify file system with -t ext4 |
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| 18:17.02 | petern__ | that's not mounting the raid. |
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| 18:17.13 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: Please provide the info, along with 'smartctl -a /dev/<disk>' for both disks. |
| 18:17.19 | aoeuhtns | oh, crap. |
| 18:17.21 | petern__ | raid will be /dev/md* |
| 18:17.36 | d3xter | maxyz: seems like the maintainer doesnt want to fix that :/ |
| 18:17.41 | aoeuhtns | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.54 | aoeuhtns | [ 1175.114923] end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 973631064 |
| 18:17.58 | aoeuhtns | thats just marvellous |
| 18:18.05 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: This is senseless. Provide the info I asked for. |
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| 18:18.43 | ENYERBETH | hola cm esta |
| 18:18.50 | aoeuhtns | petn-randall: installing smartmontools now |
| 18:19.09 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: Great. Paste all the info to http://paste.debian.net for us. |
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| 18:19.34 | ENYERBETH | quien abla en español aqui |
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| 18:19.42 | petn-randall | !es |
| 18:19.43 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 18:20.15 | DANtheBEASTman | any ideas why apache is giving 403 even when vhost is allow from all and permissions are 755 ? |
| 18:20.19 | ENYERBETH | a ok graxias |
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| 18:20.55 | maxyz | d3xter: It looks like he has some other plans, caring for squeeze and wheezy, more than unstable and non-free soft. |
| 18:21.00 | petn-randall | DANtheBEASTman: Can you provide your vhost config along with 'apache2ctl -S'? |
| 18:21.14 | petn-randall | DANtheBEASTman: Best is to paste it to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:21.48 | aoeuhtns | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/64540/ , http://paste.debian.net/64541/ |
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| 18:21.56 | maxyz | d3xter: It's arguable, anyway, it should be easy enough to build a package with the patch from pino applied. |
| 18:22.22 | DANtheBEASTman | this is on a shared server, don't have root, no access to apachectl. vhost is the same as everyone elses (with the exception of dir names) |
| 18:22.39 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: Yeah, both your drives are pretty dead. |
| 18:22.41 | DANtheBEASTman | I assumed it was just a permissions thing but chmod 755 didn't fix it |
| 18:23.12 | aoeuhtns | petn-randall: that must be murphys law.. Im just a couple of days from the first disk failing :\ |
| 18:23.17 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: both have 100+ reallocated or pending sectors. |
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| 18:23.27 | aoeuhtns | ouch |
| 18:23.27 | DANtheBEASTman | everyone elses accounts work fine but one in particular doesn't |
| 18:23.39 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: A failing disk in a RAID1 isn't usually the type of thing you should let slide for a few days ... :( |
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| 18:24.03 | aoeuhtns | looking for replacement to buy :) |
| 18:24.16 | petern__ | Fortunately you have backups... |
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| 18:24.29 | aoeuhtns | ohh well.. then, I should consider all lost then |
| 18:24.47 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: If you don't have current backups, keep both disks offline until the replacements are there, then add them all to a large RAID1. You should be able to recover all data as long as one of the two disks has the data there. |
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| 18:25.12 | aoeuhtns | petn-randall: awesome |
| 18:25.57 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: I'll keep my fingers crossed. Most important part is to keep them offline, as every extra minute will increase the chance of another sector failing. It's a snowball effect. |
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| 18:26.11 | aoeuhtns | petn-randall: ok. I will then |
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| 18:26.21 | aoeuhtns | thanks a lot lot lot for good advice and help! |
| 18:26.40 | petn-randall | aoeuhtns: You're welcome. Luckily you already have backups, which is more than most people have :) |
| 18:26.47 | aoeuhtns | :) |
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| 18:27.20 | petn-randall | DANtheBEASTman: Can you at least provide the config you have access to? It's pointless to debug something you can't see. |
| 18:27.39 | aoeuhtns | rebooting and disconnecting discs |
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| 18:27.46 | aoeuhtns | bb and thanks for help guys :) |
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| 18:29.24 | DANtheBEASTman | petn-randall: I could, but the vhost isn't the problem, there's no difference between it and a working users (besides names), but one of them is spitting out 403 |
| 18:29.49 | petn-randall | DANtheBEASTman: How are we supposed to debug that? Seriously?! |
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| 18:30.30 | DANtheBEASTman | lol, idek. I was just hoping for some random input, helpful or not. only thing I coudl think of was to chmod 755 but that didn't work |
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| 18:31.25 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: Do you have physical access to the server? Do you have control over the dns server? |
| 18:31.26 | fruitFly | i want to program with node.js, should I install stable? or maybe testing? does anyone here use anything other than stable, if so why? |
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| 18:32.20 | relipse | Yesterday I registered a domain name and it was up within 5 minutes, today I registered a domain and it is not working? Why? How long does it take to propagate? |
| 18:32.35 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: you might want to use your own node.js version you compiled yourself |
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| 18:32.53 | DANtheBEASTman | maxyz: no, i'm just another user on the server. apache works fine for every user except one (not the most tech literate I might add) has managed to screw it up |
| 18:33.10 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: why not just the one in packages.debian? |
| 18:33.23 | DANtheBEASTman | and of course the admin is nowhere to be found. |
| 18:33.42 | quinso | mkswap: /dev/mapper/ssd_group-swap_vol: warning: don't erase bootbits sectors on whole disk. Use -f to force. |
| 18:33.42 | quinso | What does it mean? Do I have to do -f for mkswap to work or no? |
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| 18:34.34 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: The the permissions of the file you are trying to access when you get a 403 |
| 18:34.58 | DANtheBEASTman | I had the user chmod -R 755 ~/www |
| 18:35.00 | petn-randall | relipse: How is this question in any way related to Debian? It might be better to discuss this on #debian-offtopic. |
| 18:35.04 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: it's quite old. you might want the newer features |
| 18:35.06 | mumpitzel | mv nodejs |
| 18:35.10 | mumpitzel | ,v nodejs |
| 18:35.11 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1; sid: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1 |
| 18:35.27 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: ok, check the ~ permissions |
| 18:36.18 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: looks like they have the latest version http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nodejs |
| 18:36.22 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: nodejs.org |
| 18:36.26 | maxyz | you need to have x in each dir in the absolute path |
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| 18:36.36 | DANtheBEASTman | ~/www is a symlink to /var/www/$USER , I have my ~ set to 700 but ~/www is 755 and it works for me |
| 18:36.36 | apt | DANtheBEASTman: okay |
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| 18:36.38 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: then you are good to go |
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| 18:37.15 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: so should i just download stable, why would one install testing or unstable? |
| 18:37.40 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: forget the permissions of the symlink, check the permissions on the dir. |
| 18:37.59 | fruitFly | mumpitzel: and when I install 7.2, is it easy to install the next stable update? what's that process like? |
| 18:38.29 | mumpitzel | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:38.30 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: Also, check if you have a .htaccess |
| 18:38.48 | mumpitzel | fruitFly: there are upgrade instructions/release notes that tell you how to do it |
| 18:38.52 | mumpitzel | dpkg: lazy bot |
| 18:38.52 | dpkg | i don't know, mumpitzel |
| 18:39.01 | mumpitzel | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:39.59 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: Also, it depends on how is apache accessing the ~/www dir, if it's accessing with the /var/www/foo then you don't care about the permissions of ~, sure |
| 18:40.30 | DANtheBEASTman | /var/www/* is all 755, [i am told] there is no .htaccess (except in one dir down the tree that just adds basic auth) |
| 18:40.33 | maxyz | But you are not sure about the configuration so, it's a blackbox. |
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| 18:41.47 | DANtheBEASTman | this is the vhost config, if you think it will help http://sprunge.us/AOWU |
| 18:42.02 | DANtheBEASTman | but it's identical to my own with the exception of usernames being changed |
| 18:42.05 | DANtheBEASTman | and mine works |
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| 18:44.12 | maxyz | But you apache and the apache of ajax are running on different vms? server? |
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| 18:44.45 | maxyz | check /var/log/apache2/ajax/access.log for the 403, and what's causing it. |
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| 18:49.44 | Ryushin | Kinda wish Debian left sysv as the default instead of moving to systemd. C'est La Vie. What is the correct way to reload the polkit changes without rebooting? |
| 18:49.58 | DANtheBEASTman | They fixed. Apparently there was .htaccess in ~/www, I ASKED THEM and they said no <.< ugh. thanks for your time |
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| 18:51.02 | abrotman | Ryushin: uhm, that hasn't happened? |
| 18:51.13 | Ryushin | On sid. |
| 18:51.30 | abrotman | in some cases? |
| 18:51.52 | Ryushin | When to do an upgrade and it said that sysv was deprecated and to use systemd. So here I am. :) |
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| 18:52.16 | Ryushin | At least, that is what I remember last week. |
| 18:52.23 | abrotman | did you "aptitude why systemd" ? |
| 18:52.38 | Ryushin | I've been fighting with sid this week trying to get everything working right. |
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| 18:53.02 | Ryushin | Afraid I don't use aptitude. Just apt and dpkg. Yea, I know, real old school. |
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| 18:53.41 | abrotman | you don't have it installed? |
| 18:53.42 | mumpitzel | doesn't mean aptitude suddenly stops working |
| 18:54.35 | Ryushin | abrotman: It's install. Just don't use it. Probably should start learning it some. For the most part apt, apt-cache, apt-file, and dpkg do everything that I want. |
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| 18:55.02 | Ryushin | There is no polkitd. So I figured it's controlled from systemd. Just don't know how to reload the changes I've made in /etc/polkit-1 |
| 18:55.16 | abrotman | Ryushin: aptitude why systemd |
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| 18:55.23 | d3xter | maxyz: but it does only change 4 files in debian/, does that brake backporting?! |
| 18:55.39 | d3xter | maxyz: yeah, already on it building it on my own :) |
| 18:56.01 | Ryushin | ptitude why systemd: xfce4-power-manager Depends upoweri upower Depends pm-utils | systemd | systemd-services |
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| 18:57.06 | abrotman | seems simple to me |
| 18:57.30 | Ryushin | So it looks like XFCE4 has moved to systemd then. |
| 18:58.00 | Ryushin | abrotman: Not much is simple to me right now with only three hours of sleep. Espresso has long since worn off. |
| 18:58.06 | abrotman | would you like to rephrase your original statement? :) |
| 18:58.31 | Ryushin | That I'm feeling like a mental retard. Sure...... :) |
| 18:59.08 | dizzylizzy | I'm on wheezy, 7.2, iBook G4 powerpc. I'm trying to map key 133 to act as mouse button 3, but nothing seems to work. simply echoing 133 into /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode (and of course setting mouse_button_emulation to 1) doesn't do it. Changing sysctl.conf to set these values at boot doesn't seem to do it either. |
| 18:59.12 | dizzylizzy | I'm not sure what to do at this point |
| 18:59.14 | Ryushin | Essentially I've made changes to files in /etc/polkit-1. I'm trying to figure out how to activate those changes without having to reboot. |
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| 19:03.23 | advorak | Does apt-get maintain a journal of what packages were installed when? |
| 19:03.45 | geggam | i was hoping aptitude had a good explanation of why to use systemd :) |
| 19:03.46 | peterrooney | advorak: I don't know about apt, but dpkg sure does |
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| 19:04.00 | zykotick9 | advorak: have a look at /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 19:04.18 | advorak | peterrooney, where does dpkg maintain this? |
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| 19:05.15 | maxyz | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:06.32 | peterrooney | zykotick9: cool, I wouldn't even have thought to look for that. |
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| 19:07.06 | peterrooney | Crazy situation on siblings computer. Before and after booting, and GDM login, pretty much everything seems normal. But switching to a virtual console shows a key of some kind or another stuck ("[[P" repeatedly). Console login is, of course, impossible. Same is true if trying to boot into single-user mode. Keyboard works fine in grub and X. Ideas on where to look for clues? |
| 19:07.32 | Unode | hi all |
| 19:07.33 | peterrooney | How can a key appear stuck to console, but not X or grub? |
| 19:08.11 | d3xter | now i'm stuck with pbuilder, which doesnt find tkhe right gpg key :( |
| 19:08.11 | Improv | maxy: Thanks |
| 19:08.16 | Improv | Sorry for the late response; ran out to lunch |
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| 19:09.07 | Unode | I'm currently trying to use nginx-extras in wheezy backports (version 1.4.1-3~bpo70+1) but it seems to be missing the upload module (complains upload_store directive doesn't exist). Can anyone confirm this? How should I go about reporting it? thanks |
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| 19:10.53 | advorak | I often install a bunch of packages that I subsequently don't use beyond the first time I use them .... and I always forget to remove them when they're no longer useful to me ... is there a program that will read the apt or dpkg journal/log to easily display to me the order in which packages were installed and let me easily uninstall them? |
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| 19:11.34 | petern__ | You can check /var/log/apt/history.log quite easily. |
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| 19:12.08 | advorak | yes, I'm aware .. but I kindof want to create a program to do so for me ... I was just wondering if such work had already been done .. |
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| 19:13.50 | peterrooney | advorak: yes, said work has been done. egrep '\binstall\b' /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 19:14.21 | advorak | peterrooney, 'ha ha' :-) |
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| 19:15.44 | jhutchins_wk | I know that some systems have offered "these files have not been used reacently" notifications. In fact, I think Windows once offered to clean up programs that hadn't been accessed in a while. If the system is storing last access time, it would pretty easy to find them. |
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| 19:16.36 | advorak | jhutchins_wk, oh yes, the most annoying notification that would periodically pop up, often offering to recover as little as 300k of space :-P |
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| 19:17.21 | bezoka | I cant install bumblebee;/ |
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| 19:22.16 | d3xter | maxyz: how can i tell debootstrap to not look for any packages under a custom deb repo? |
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| 19:23.09 | maxyz | d3xter: don't add de custom repo to the sources.list? |
| 19:23.19 | d3xter | maxyz: if i comment it out, still complains |
| 19:23.23 | maxyz | (s/de/the) |
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| 19:23.40 | d3xter | about not finding the debs: apt |
| 19:23.55 | d3xter | and build-essential ^^ |
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| 19:24.52 | maxyz | d3xter: Ah, no add a normal repo to build the debootstrap. |
| 19:25.17 | d3xter | maxyz: wheezy & testing repos are in the sources.list |
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| 19:27.13 | maxyz | That's for building libopus? |
| 19:27.28 | d3xter | maxyz: indeed |
| 19:27.42 | maxyz | Did the debootstrap ended successfully? |
| 19:28.13 | d3xter | maxyz: nope. sources-list: http://paste.debian.net/64548/, output of pbuilder: http://paste.debian.net/64549/ |
| 19:28.34 | d3xter | maxyz: pbuilder --create --distribution jessie --architecture i386 --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg when i'm running |
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| 19:31.18 | maxyz | d3xter: user the --mirror parameter of pbuilder |
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| 19:34.09 | d3xter | maxyz: thanks |
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| 19:37.14 | bbtech | hmm, I have two processes that look suspicious. m6502 and shadebobs - Anyone heard of those? |
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| 19:38.56 | format_c | bbtech, check with pstree where they are coming form |
| 19:39.38 | bbtech | format_c, yeah, they are maxing out my box |
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| 19:39.47 | bbtech | format_c, I might have to reboot at which point they might be gone |
| 19:40.14 | format_c | bbtech, however, then most evidences are gone |
| 19:40.15 | bbtech | format_c, can't even get the output of "who" |
| 19:40.17 | format_c | may be gone |
| 19:40.30 | bbtech | exactly, why I was hoping someone might have heard of them |
| 19:40.39 | format_c | killall -9 sharebobs |
| 19:40.46 | format_c | shadebobs |
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| 19:41.33 | format_c | shadebobs and m6502 are xscreensaver |
| 19:41.58 | bbtech | oh? |
| 19:41.59 | format_c | maybe requiring hardware acceleration |
| 19:42.05 | format_c | which you might not have |
| 19:42.15 | maxyz | bbtech: shadebobs is a xscreensaver, you can check if the exe is really the screensaver looking /proc/$pid/exe |
| 19:42.17 | format_c | then it's done completely by the CPU which is bad |
| 19:42.30 | d3xter | maxyz: how can i tell "apt-get source" to use testing instead of stable? |
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| 19:43.00 | kj14 | maxyz, the SOCKS tunnel works great- thanks again for the help! |
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| 19:43.15 | bbtech | so, I probably should just disable the screensaver |
| 19:43.23 | bbtech | since this box is running headless |
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| 19:43.25 | michal_ | hi |
| 19:43.29 | michal_ | how can I install steam?:) |
| 19:43.40 | maxyz | d3xter: you could search the package in packages.debian.org and dget the .dsc file |
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| 19:43.59 | format_c | e.g. or just limit xscreensaver to chosen ones |
| 19:44.15 | bbtech | format_c, what do you mean chosen ones? |
| 19:44.38 | bbtech | format_c, oh, is it using random screensavers by default |
| 19:44.44 | maxyz | Or you can add the deb-src entry for testing in your sources.list |
| 19:44.54 | format_c | bbtech, right. |
| 19:45.13 | maxyz | bbtech: and probably changing every 10minutes. |
| 19:45.40 | maxyz | Screensavers are hacks, and not really realiable. |
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| 19:45.56 | bbtech | Is it safe to uninstall the xscreensaver? |
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| 19:46.28 | format_c | AFAIK yes |
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| 19:46.39 | MonteZuma | hi ppl - can't get bind9 to update using apt-get - any suggestions? |
| 19:46.39 | bbtech | format_c, ok, I will try that. Thanks! |
| 19:46.42 | format_c | But check the dependencies which will also be removed. |
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| 19:46.56 | bbtech | format_c, will do |
| 19:46.56 | maxyz | bbtech: Yes, but you can simply use blank screen. |
| 19:47.05 | d3xter | MonteZuma: what do you mean "can't get bind9 to update"? |
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| 19:47.10 | bbtech | maxyz, do you know the config file? |
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| 19:47.13 | john_rambo | I have made an entry in /etc/fstab for my ntfs partition but I cant write to it |
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| 19:47.40 | john_rambo | It is getting mounted alright |
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| 19:47.50 | MonteZuma | running 9.7.3 and need to implement response rate limiting - did and apt-get and it looked like it updated, but when i do an rndc status shows 9.7.3 still |
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| 19:47.57 | maxyz | bbtech: It's ugly to modify it by hand. |
| 19:48.26 | bbtech | maxyz, sounds easier to remove (if it removes cleanly). |
| 19:48.30 | d3xter | john_rambo: is "ntfs-3g" package installed? |
| 19:48.35 | maxyz | bbtech: ~/.xscreensaver |
| 19:48.41 | maxyz | bbtech: mode: blank |
| 19:48.57 | d3xter | MonteZuma: what does "apt-cache policy bind9" say? |
| 19:49.24 | bbtech | maxyz, that doesn't look too hard |
| 19:49.26 | john_rambo | d3xter, Yes |
| 19:49.29 | MonteZuma | bind: |
| 19:49.30 | MonteZuma | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.30 | MonteZuma | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.30 | MonteZuma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.36 | maxyz | kj14: You are welcome. |
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| 19:49.52 | MonteZuma | oops |
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| 19:50.04 | maxyz | MonteZuma: Use the paste.debian.org |
| 19:50.24 | d3xter | john_rambo: paste your fstab on paste.debian.org |
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| 19:50.59 | maxyz | Ups, sorry, paste.debian.net |
| 19:51.20 | MonteZuma | got it -thanks |
| 19:51.25 | d3xter | maxyz: damit, i just copied the link from you xD |
| 19:51.34 | d3xter | s/you/your message |
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| 19:52.05 | john_rambo | d3xter, http://paste.debian.net/64553/ |
| 19:52.42 | MonteZuma | http://paste.debian.net/64551/ |
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| 19:53.17 | d3xter | MonteZuma: what about "bind9" package? :) |
| 19:54.20 | MonteZuma | d3xter : http://paste.debian.net/64554/ |
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| 19:55.21 | d3xter | john_ramob maybe does "rw,umask" helps |
| 19:55.36 | MonteZuma | d3xter : http://paste.debian.net/64555/ |
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| 19:56.50 | d3xter | MonteZuma: the latest version your local apt know of is 9.7.3, when was the last time you "apt-get update"? |
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| 19:57.00 | maxyz | The filesystem for ntfs-3g should be ntfs-3g |
| 19:57.04 | MonteZuma | d3xter - right before i attempted update |
| 19:57.11 | MonteZuma | need to check my source list? |
| 19:57.17 | john_rambo | d3xter, Done .... I need to reboot right ? |
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| 19:57.27 | d3xter | maxyz: as https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS states, ntfs is just a symlink to ntfs-3g nowadays |
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| 19:57.57 | maxyz | ,v bind9 |
| 19:57.58 | judd | Package: bind9 on i386 -- squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u1; jessie: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu3; sid: 1:9.9.3.dfsg.P2-4 |
| 19:58.24 | maxyz | MonteZuma: That's the latest version in squeeze |
| 19:58.32 | mumpitzel | john_rambo: you only need to reboot for a new kernel or new hardware |
| 19:58.35 | d3xter | MonteZuma: oh well, you are still on squeeze |
| 19:58.55 | d3xter | john_rambo: umount the partition and then "mounp -a" should do the trick |
| 19:59.11 | d3xter | MonteZuma: you need backports or wheezy |
| 19:59.19 | d3xter | s/backports/squeeze-backports |
| 19:59.30 | MonteZuma | ahhh - ok, so i get the latest bind i have to jump to wheezy |
| 19:59.32 | d3xter | john_rambo: mount -a |
| 19:59.38 | maxyz | MonteZuma: if you want to upgrate msg dpkg about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:59.49 | d3xter | MonteZuma: or add a "squeeze-backports" is sufficient too |
| 20:00.00 | maxyz | MonteZuma: if not, you could use the backport version |
| 20:00.04 | maxyz | :) |
| 20:00.25 | MonteZuma | how does that work - something i add to my sources list? |
| 20:00.49 | d3xter | MonteZuma: https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 20:01.21 | john_rambo | Done ... Thanks |
| 20:01.29 | MonteZuma | many thanks - i'll chase down backports |
| 20:01.36 | d3xter | MonteZuma: you're welcome |
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| 20:05.22 | ws2k33 | Hello |
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| 20:05.53 | ws2k33 | i'm having an issue i need to open a text file but the text file is 22 gb so my vi says out of memory |
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| 20:07.04 | d3xter | maxyz: ok, i've created the package now with pdebuil and i want to create the amd64 package now with "dpkg-buildpackage", do i have to create a distribution for amd64 with pbuilder too? |
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| 20:07.50 | Morrolan | ws2k33: Do you need to only read it, or write it, too? |
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| 20:08.08 | maxyz | d3xter: If you don't mind installing the dependencies you can use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:08.28 | ws2k33 | write it to |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | ws2k33: what file is 22GB? |
| 20:08.39 | d3xter | maxyz: i'm running "pdebuild --architecture amd64" now, seems like its working :) |
| 20:08.40 | Morrolan | abrotman: Logfile without logrotate, probably. :P |
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| 20:08.50 | abrotman | Morrolan: not unless he's running archive.org :) |
| 20:09.33 | Morrolan | ws2k3: I believe there's a plugin for vim which allows to open big files, but I don't have any experience with it. |
| 20:09.42 | ws2k3 | abrotman a database file |
| 20:09.46 | Morrolan | A better approach is probably to use grep & co to extract those lines you're interested in. |
| 20:09.53 | abrotman | ws2k3: you're going to edit a DB with vi? |
| 20:10.19 | ws2k3 | its a dump of sqlite |
| 20:10.31 | ws2k3 | i need to change 2/3 rules to be compatible for mysql |
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| 20:10.45 | ws2k3 | well my main goal is to export a sqlite db an import it into mysql |
| 20:10.47 | abrotman | ws2k3: sounds more like something to do with sed perhaps? |
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| 20:15.14 | d3xter | maxyz: its working, finally managed to install libasound2-plugins:i386 -.- |
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| 20:17.12 | kingsley | In https connections, are x.509 certificates and data encrypted with keys of the same length? For example, if the certificate is known to have a 2048 bit key, should the data also be encrypted with a 2048 bit key? |
| 20:18.44 | d3xter | maxyz: thanks for your patience and help :) |
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| 20:19.26 | maxyz | d3xter: You are welcome. |
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| 20:21.03 | jelly-home | kingsley: no, SSL doesn't work like that. the initial setup is used to negotiate a session key in a secure way, and that session key is used for data |
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| 20:22.36 | jelly-home | kingsley: I guess google would give some sort of simplified answer for "how does ssl work" |
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| 20:25.36 | kingsley | jelly-home: Yes, I seem to recall searching Google's indices for that. And, much like your answer, my impression was also that two key lengths are involved. My main concern is that people often cite just one key length, usually the certificate's, and it seems to me that maybe it's important to know the data's key length too. |
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| 20:26.42 | MarcellNova | hi guys, anyone know what would cause a service to fail? |
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| 20:27.17 | zykotick9 | MarcellNova: solar flares... a BOFH answer ;) |
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| 20:27.28 | staar2 | hello |
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| 20:27.47 | staar2 | Has anyone experience with installing dtrace ? |
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| 20:28.00 | staar2 | or more like it must be compiled |
| 20:28.09 | staar2 | but I haven't done this under debian |
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| 20:28.19 | MarcellNova2 | sorry your solar flare got me |
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| 20:28.44 | MarcellNova2 | im tryin to figure out why my services status is "failed" |
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| 20:30.05 | jelly-home | MarcellNova2: read the service documentation to find its logs. Inspect its logs and its processes. If there are none, try starting it again and inspect the logs again to see why and how it fails. |
| 20:30.08 | MonteZuma | hey d3xter : got the backports added and ran an update and upgrade of bind9 from the squeeze-backports, but it still shows bind 9.7.3 - how do i modify the apt-cache policy cli to check sqeeze-backports? |
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| 20:31.00 | jelly-home | MarcellNova2: check for common resource exhaustion (full disk/filesystem, not enough ram+swap) |
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| 20:31.32 | jelly-home | !tell MarcellNova2 about ask |
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| 20:32.53 | MarcellNova2 | im having a problem with samba V4.010-8 |
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| 20:32.57 | stomachh | My keyboard does not work in XenCenter (VM / Console) ... |
| 20:33.12 | MarcellNova2 | im running it on wheey as an AD |
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| 20:33.17 | MarcellNova2 | *wheezy |
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| 20:35.04 | jelly-home | ,v samba4 |
| 20:35.06 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- jessie: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2 |
| 20:35.37 | jelly-home | MarcellNova2: you'll probably want to find a channel dedicated to samba and ask there |
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| 20:35.46 | jelly-home | /msg alis list *samba* |
| 20:36.27 | jelly-home | ,v samba |
| 20:36.29 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze9; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze10; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2:3.6.19-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:3.6.19-1; sid: 2:4.0.10+dfsg-4 |
| 20:36.40 | MarcellNova2 | the support there sux |
| 20:36.42 | jelly-home | ah, that's where 4.0.10 hides |
| 20:37.03 | MarcellNova2 | where? |
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| 20:37.08 | jelly-home | MarcellNova2: you do not seem to be running a version provided by Debian |
| 20:37.44 | MarcellNova2 | yes, the one that debian ships is old and according to people there contains serious holes |
| 20:38.16 | MarcellNova2 | so they told me to use sernet's latest stable version, but they disappear the moment i tried installing.. |
| 20:38.18 | xand | security updates are still applied |
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| 20:38.48 | MarcellNova2 | despite so many undocumented steps i finally managed to get their version installed |
| 20:38.53 | jelly-home | MarcellNova2: that might be true. If you require support right away, perhaps contact one of companies doing commercial support for samba http://www.samba.org/samba/support/ |
| 20:38.55 | MarcellNova2 | but now im faced with this issue |
| 20:39.13 | MarcellNova2 | i just feel that this is like a ploy |
| 20:39.14 | xand | MarcellNova2: well we can't/won't really help with that |
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| 20:39.43 | MarcellNova2 | giving incomplete guides so users'll have to pay them for support |
| 20:39.43 | jelly-home | can't. |
| 20:39.56 | MarcellNova2 | ok, thanks |
| 20:40.16 | mrbean | Hi, how do I find out which package installed with other package? |
| 20:40.19 | jelly-home | MarcellNova2: this might not be intentional; not many open-source projects give excellent documentation |
| 20:40.42 | MarcellNova2 | im not talking about others just samba |
| 20:41.19 | zykotick9 | documentation is like sex, even if it's bad - it's better than none at all ;) |
| 20:41.57 | jelly-home | zykotick9: that tells me you haven't read truly horrid docs, or had awful sex experiences |
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| 20:42.49 | stomach | keyboard not working in xencenter console with Windows VM |
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| 20:43.01 | Jobine | hello |
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| 20:49.21 | jelly-home | stomach: does xencenter come with Debian these days? |
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| 20:50.04 | stomach | jelly: Xen 4.1 =D |
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| 20:50.25 | jelly-home | stomach: which debian package is xencenter in? |
| 20:50.33 | TheAvatar | "nice" how dist-upgrading from v6 to v7 means mysql is just removed without being upgraded, and packages depending on it just fails (obviously) |
| 20:50.54 | stomach | [[jelly-home]]: XenCenter in windows.. xen in linux debian wheezy |
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| 20:51.31 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: have you read the release notes? I believe the mysql-server situation is commented on in there. |
| 20:51.54 | TheAvatar | jelly-home, I didn't (obviously) - but guess I am just installing it manually, heh |
| 20:52.03 | jelly-home | sucks to be you! |
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| 20:52.23 | mrbean | To answer myself, I'll try to uninstall B and aptitude will complain because A depends on B. |
| 20:52.25 | TheAvatar | only if it decided to wipe my databases during the upgrade |
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| 20:53.12 | jelly-home | stomach: I mean, perhaps you ought to ask the xencenter people |
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| 21:04.57 | Albert_Vila | Hello. As a part of an assignment of the university, I'm required to interview a free software contributor (does not have to be a coder). Is there anyone here who is open to a quick interview? (only 7 questions) |
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| 21:05.46 | maxyz | Albert_Vila: You sound like you don't want to do it. |
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| 21:07.39 | jelly-home | Albert_Vila: if noone answers, try #debian-mentors or #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:08.23 | jelly-home | wonders whether occasional free support on irc can be considered contributing |
| 21:09.15 | jeep | contributing to someone |
| 21:09.19 | GNU\colossus | wonders whether ranting and bitching about random stuff qualifies |
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| 21:09.48 | Albert_Vila | Well, yesterday I interviewed a non-coder, who helped users at LibreOffice, also filled bugs... |
| 21:10.25 | Albert_Vila | Any contribution (writing documentation, accounting, event organization, artwork) is OK |
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| 21:13.05 | Nefarious___ | hey, python 3.3 isn't packaged for raspbian on the raspberry pi. but it's possible to compile it from source. how could I build a package for python 3.3 for the raspberry pi? |
| 21:13.20 | jelly-home | jeep: contributing to my own mental health! |
| 21:13.43 | jelly-home | ,v python3.3 |
| 21:13.45 | judd | Package: python3.3 on i386 -- jessie: 3.3.2-7; sid: 3.3.2-7 |
| 21:15.00 | jelly-home | Nefarious___: a) raspbian is not Debian, ask in #raspbian; b) if it were Debian, you might try to backport the package from jessie, but python is a bit special and that might fail |
| 21:15.30 | Nefarious___ | ah thanks :3 |
| 21:15.31 | jelly-home | Nefarious___: best to ask raspbian people whether they plan on building jessie |
| 21:15.57 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport python3.3 |
| 21:16.00 | judd | Backporting package python3.3 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc (>= 4:4.8) [amd64 armel armhf i386 x32 kfreebsd-any hurd-any]. |
| 21:16.21 | Nefarious___ | thanks |
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| 21:16.40 | Nik05 | backport gcc-4.8 :P |
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| 21:18.13 | Nik05 | probably impossibl |
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| 21:22.08 | rue_house | suggestions on how to get 1 file from the deb of an already installed package, dpkg should be abel to do it, right? |
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| 21:24.28 | jelly-home | Nik05: on a weird armhf variant? They'd be so thankful if he did that |
| 21:24.52 | jelly-home | rue_house: cp would be able to do it |
| 21:25.12 | jelly-home | if it's installed, the files are on the filesystem |
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| 21:25.33 | Nik05 | rue_house do you mean -L or -S? |
| 21:25.58 | rue_house | not if they have been modified or deleted by an idiot :) |
| 21:26.15 | Nik05 | reinstall the package |
| 21:26.27 | cafuego | Oi don't call me an idiot to my face, I'm right here :-P |
| 21:26.32 | rue_house | not if I want all the other configufs t sttay the ame |
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| 21:26.42 | jelly-home | not everything is about you, cafuego |
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| 21:27.06 | cafuego | jelly-home: Until I get a memo informing me about that, I shall beg to differ :-P |
| 21:27.13 | rue_house | has learned, cp foo.cfg foo.cfg.orig; vi foo.cfg |
| 21:27.30 | jelly-home | rue_house: what's the actual file path in question |
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| 21:28.01 | rue_house | today its alsa-base.conf |
| 21:28.08 | jelly-home | PATH |
| 21:28.18 | rue_house | ah |
| 21:28.18 | jelly-home | full, absolute, path |
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| 21:28.27 | jelly-home | please. |
| 21:28.27 | rue_house | today its /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 21:28.43 | rue_house | I dont think its built on install |
| 21:28.52 | cafuego | jelly-home: For the record, occasional free support via irc is *definitely* contributing. |
| 21:29.01 | rue_house | part of alsa-base |
| 21:29.05 | jelly-home | that seems to be a conffile. |
| 21:29.08 | jelly-home | !confmiss |
| 21:29.09 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:29.10 | rue_house | yup |
| 21:29.44 | rue_house | I dont want to modify any other conf files for alsa-base |
| 21:29.51 | cafuego | !etckeeper |
| 21:29.54 | rue_house | I put lots of working into screwing them up! |
| 21:30.21 | jelly-home | rue_house: of course you have backups of /etc, right?? |
| 21:30.37 | rue_house | oh thats a good point |
| 21:30.47 | rue_house | but I think its from back in the oss days |
| 21:31.02 | cafuego | rue_house: The etckeeper package will do automagic backups (well, source control) on /etc |
| 21:31.23 | rue_house | so will cron :) |
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| 21:31.49 | cafuego | cron runs commands at intervals, it doesn't backup anything ;-) |
| 21:32.09 | jelly-home | cafuego: seven questions sounded like work! |
| 21:32.17 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:32.24 | rue_house | etc.15jul2012 hmmmm, its... smaller... |
| 21:32.26 | cafuego | jelly-home: you should get a payrise |
| 21:32.28 | STMelon | is cafuego here to just troll? |
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| 21:32.40 | cafuego | STMelon: You must be new here. |
| 21:32.47 | STMelon | sounds like a 10 year old to me |
| 21:32.56 | STMelon | no, ive idled here for a few years :P |
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| 21:33.20 | cafuego | Pffff. Decades. |
| 21:33.30 | STMelon | 12 years :P |
| 21:33.39 | STMelon | should i be impressed? |
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| 21:33.49 | wtm422 | Hello! |
| 21:34.06 | cafuego | STMelon: If that makes you feel better, sure. |
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| 21:34.17 | wtm422 | If I'm making a DPKG, how do i handle documentation? Like where do the READMEs end up, and how do they become man pages |
| 21:34.21 | STMelon | not really, i dont like arrogance :P |
| 21:34.56 | cafuego | But you're all good with judgement eh. |
| 21:34.59 | STMelon | anyways off-topic keep with the topic |
| 21:35.06 | STMelon | you know the rules |
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| 21:35.43 | jelly-home | wtm422: end-user docs typically end up under /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 21:36.07 | jelly-home | wtm422: you read the new-maintainers' guide? |
| 21:36.36 | jelly-home | !tell wtm422 about nmg |
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| 21:41.32 | jelly-home | !factinfo cafuego |
| 21:41.32 | dpkg | cafuego -- last modified at Tue May 4 00:01:20 2004 by cafuego!~cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:bad:beef; it has been requested 35 times, last by jelly-home, 33s ago; it has been locked by cafuego. |
| 21:41.37 | jelly-home | locked :-| |
| 21:42.09 | cafuego | I haven't had that ipv6 range in yonks, eother |
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| 21:42.13 | TheSin | can someone tell me what is different with the jessie installed form wheezy? All my systems that were created with a wheezy installer and dis-upgraded to jessie work when I run apt-get via cron, but with jessie insteadd systems I get "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)" |
| 21:42.18 | rue_house | hmm cool, the backup is ok |
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| 21:42.30 | TheSin | only when run through cron I might add, running via ssh is fine |
| 21:42.49 | cafuego | TheSin: How do you run apt-get via cron? |
| 21:43.16 | TheSin | 0 2 * * *root/usr/bin/dpkg --clear-avail; /usr/bin/apt-get -qq autoclean; /usr/bin/apt-get -qq -y --force-yes update; /usr/bin/apt-get -u -d -q -y --force-yes dist-upgrade |
| 21:43.35 | cafuego | dpkg: info cron-apt |
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| 21:43.51 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.2 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 21:43.52 | TheSin | it just emails me any updates I run it on all 13 of my debian servers but only the 2 newest ones it emails me the resource unavail |
| 21:44.02 | jelly-home | judd's faster for that btw. |
| 21:44.08 | TheSin | I don't want auto up I just want it to get a list and download them |
| 21:44.09 | cafuego | TheSin: Sounds like something is happily clashing |
| 21:44.30 | TheSin | cafuego, why does it work on all my other boxes though it's very odd |
| 21:44.36 | cafuego | TheSin: cron-apt will only auto-up if you tell it do. |
| 21:44.49 | jelly-home | TheSin: any leftover dpkg or apt or something processes? |
| 21:45.02 | cafuego | it has a list of defined actions that you can enable/disable; I'd go with that. |
| 21:45.19 | TheSin | cafuego, I'll check it out for sure but I'm still curious why it won't work anymore but only on fresh installs :\ |
| 21:45.24 | jelly-home | TheSin: which command in that line fails? |
| 21:45.30 | TheSin | jelly-home, not that I can see let me double check |
| 21:45.46 | TheSin | jelly-home, I'm not 100% I've jsut started debugging it |
| 21:45.50 | cafuego | TheSin: Do you run puppet or anyhing else that manages packages on that system? |
| 21:45.57 | TheSin | no |
| 21:46.11 | TheSin | striaght apt-get and this is the only script that does it |
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| 21:47.28 | TheSin | cafuego, now that you mention it, it is only to 2 systems that have ispconfig installed, I wonder if it runs something it's self for apt |
| 21:47.55 | cafuego | mebbe do a quick rgrep through /etc/cron* and /var/spool/cron |
| 21:48.21 | TheSin | good idea, and thank you for the lead |
| 21:49.01 | cafuego | np |
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| 21:53.09 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg hardcores is rather outdated |
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| 21:56.10 | Guest214 | Hi, i'm looking for a Debian forum, or a Debian stable derivative, that is aimed at newbies or non-technical people (my old parents) |
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| 21:56.49 | abrotman | Guest214: you want your parents to seek help on forums? not you? |
| 21:57.05 | abrotman | Guest214: forums.debian.net is generally the mostly heavily used forum |
| 21:57.07 | abrotman | (for Debian) |
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| 21:57.52 | riceandbeans | if I want to turn a debian server into a pxe boot server, what packages should I install |
| 21:58.22 | mtn | Guest214: once debian is set up it is very easy to use. |
| 21:58.30 | Guest214 | well they are just an example, what would you recommend to a non-techie friend? |
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| 22:00.04 | jelly-home | probably ubuntu lts |
| 22:00.26 | Guest214 | actually I'm looking for something not ubuntu-based |
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| 22:00.47 | mattcen | Riceandbeans; i recommend dnsmasq. it'll do 90% of the stuff you need for PXE. |
| 22:01.16 | jelly-home | Guest214: it's the most common derivative |
| 22:01.29 | riceandbeans | mattcen: not isc-dhcp-server? |
| 22:01.53 | mattcen | You *coi |
| 22:01.56 | Jegeva | hello peope, i have a weird iue : GNU gdb (GDB) 7.6.1 (Debian 7.6.1-1) |
| 22:01.57 | mattcen | Oops. |
| 22:02.01 | Jegeva | darn |
| 22:02.15 | arthurfiggis | Guest214: you're limiting yourself severely in the ease-of-use department then :) i've been using debian for a week or so now and i think it's great...but i wouldn't necessarily recommend it to someone who doesn't know much about computers in general, it does take more work to set up |
| 22:02.16 | Jegeva | doesn't break unless under sudo... |
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| 22:02.37 | Jegeva | mean doesn't stops on breakpoints |
| 22:02.42 | riceandbeans | mattcen: is dnsmasq better than isc-dhcp-server for this? |
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| 22:03.15 | Jegeva | anyone already ran into this ? |
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| 22:03.51 | mattcen | Riceandbeans: you *could*, but i think it's overcomplicated. Dnsmasq does dhcp, dns, and tftp. Isc only does dhfp, and it's config file is far more complicated |
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| 22:05.19 | frikinz | Jegeva: is it a standard debian? |
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| 22:05.39 | Jegeva | frikinz: yes, a sid one but a tandard one indeed |
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| 22:06.42 | jelly-home | Jegeva: are you trying to debug a setuid binary? |
| 22:07.09 | Jegeva | nope, completely normal binary i just gcc'd |
| 22:07.39 | jelly-home | hmm |
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| 22:08.25 | jelly-home | no sid installation nearby |
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| 22:10.12 | Jegeva | jelly-home: can you check if you local /usr/bin/gdb receives any special rights ? mine is "normal" : -rwxr-xr-x |
| 22:10.42 | frikinz | I have a franken debian here, not yet full sid |
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| 22:11.07 | jelly-home | Jegeva: it's supposed to be normal. |
| 22:11.23 | frikinz | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4823288 oct. 9 02:33 /usr/bin/gdb |
| 22:11.36 | jelly-home | and I'm still on Installed: 7.4.1+dfsg-0.1 |
| 22:12.11 | frikinz | that's 7.6.1-1 on my side |
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| 22:12.17 | Jegeva | 7.6.1 (Debian 7.6.1-1) |
| 22:12.21 | frikinz | Jegeva: downgrade gdb? |
| 22:13.54 | Jegeva | frikinz: as a last resort, but well if ptrace is working normally in sudo i don't see why it shouldn't be working in non privileged |
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| 22:15.12 | rmroulette | I had a process called irq taking up 85% of my cpu for no reason, any ideas? |
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| 22:17.19 | speechless | a few months ago i set up a debian server |
| 22:17.39 | speechless | i am used to arch linux systemd |
| 22:17.49 | speechless | but i completely forgot how to start apps on debian |
| 22:18.16 | rmroulette | same here |
| 22:18.31 | speechless | hmm... rc.d been such a long time |
| 22:19.11 | rmroulette | never used that, I got on arch the week they switched to systemd |
| 22:19.28 | abrotman | rmroulette: there is a reason |
| 22:19.51 | abrotman | speechless: start up which apps? |
| 22:20.00 | abrotman | rmroulette: is the irq in brackets? |
| 22:20.07 | speechless | i want to start a script in /etc/init.d |
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| 22:20.23 | abrotman | speechless: update-rc.d ? is that what you're looking for ? |
| 22:20.49 | abrotman | invoke-rc.d ? |
| 22:20.54 | abrotman | service? |
| 22:20.59 | speechless | it was a service |
| 22:21.06 | Jegeva | frikinz: jelly-home well at least a PTRACE_ME seem to behave normally, i'll fill a bug report |
| 22:21.07 | speechless | i was looking for /etc/init.d/scriptname start |
| 22:21.08 | abrotman | there's a command called service |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | speechless: invoke-rc.d works for that |
| 22:21.33 | darsie | how much can I past at paste.debian.net? 6 MB? |
| 22:22.04 | abrotman | try it and find out |
| 22:22.56 | petn-randall | TIAS |
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| 22:24.33 | AciD` | hi |
| 22:24.50 | AciD` | how come bugzilla isn't part of the official debian repo ? |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | AciD`: have you checked the licensing? |
| 22:25.18 | frikinz | Jegeva: I can reproduce your problem indeed |
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| 22:25.56 | abrotman | AciD`: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669643 |
| 22:26.02 | AciD` | abrotman > mpl/lgpl/gpl apparently |
| 22:26.24 | darsie | Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | AciD`: yes, i'm greater than licensing |
| 22:27.16 | abrotman | AciD`: read the bug above |
| 22:27.19 | Jegeva | frikinz: ah ! cool ^^ simple break doesn't works for you neither, do you confirm (so i can paste it in bug report) |
| 22:27.25 | abrotman | AciD`: and this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638705 |
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| 22:29.01 | AciD` | I just read it, it seems it was a PITA to maintain |
| 22:29.11 | AciD` | and now news for a years now |
| 22:29.14 | abrotman | not surprised |
| 22:29.14 | AciD` | :/ |
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| 22:29.32 | abrotman | you can append the bug and ask where the package is |
| 22:29.38 | AciD` | that |
| 22:29.59 | AciD` | and I can in the mean time just find another bug tracker |
| 22:30.14 | AciD` | which is supported in Debian |
| 22:30.22 | abrotman | mantis isn't awful .. rt is interesting |
| 22:30.36 | frikinz | Jegeva: I can confirm with kernel linux-image-3.12-rc7-686-pae, libc 2.17-93, gdb 7.6.1-1 and a void main{printf("hello");} with gcc -g |
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| 22:31.01 | AciD` | perhaps trac is overkill |
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| 22:31.43 | Jegeva | thanks frikinz |
| 22:31.46 | AciD` | abrotman > what's rt ? I can't effectively apt-cache search that string :x |
| 22:32.29 | tomreyn | request tracker by best practical |
| 22:32.38 | abrotman | AciD`: rt si request tracker |
| 22:33.32 | abrotman | AciD`: aptitude search rt4 |
| 22:34.03 | cafuego | redmine is very nice indeed |
| 22:34.14 | frikinz | Jegeva: though I can not confirm it is not nominal as I've not read the latest gdb documentation.. |
| 22:34.28 | Jegeva | frikinz: bug reported, let's wait and see, the debug i not critical to me, i'll leave the system broken |
| 22:34.55 | Jegeva | frikinz: not being able to break on breakpoint for gdb... should not be nominal... |
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| 22:36.55 | frikinz | Jegeva: which bug is it? I'm still bad at searching on the bts.. |
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| 22:38.03 | Jegeva | Bug#729018 |
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| 22:38.35 | babilen | judd: bug #729018 |
| 22:38.36 | judd | Sorry, the requested bug was not found. |
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| 22:39.01 | babilen | judd: That's okay - it is probably too new ;) |
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| 22:40.36 | Jegeva | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729018 |
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| 23:32.56 | cafuego | drums fingers |
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| 23:33.54 | frikinz | Jegeva: funnily, I'm back on my computer and.. cannot reproduce it anymore :/ |
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| 23:35.54 | frikinz | Jegeva: I've just installed git-core in between both test. hummm |
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| 23:41.59 | frikinz | No, can't. Only works on even numbered days maybe. That reminds me the good old days with gdb... |
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| 23:44.51 | yuk | has anyone achieved successful systemd-cron ? is cron supposed to appear in 'ps aux' ? specifically the hourly/weekly/daily stuf is not being run (At least. anacron?) |
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| 23:45.19 | yuk | i guess installing exim4 might get me some error messages that don't show up in syslog, re cron? |
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| 23:46.24 | yuk | (when i try to install exim4, it inslsts on REMOVE of systemd-cron. so i'm not sure what to do if i want systemd and exim. etc) |
| 23:46.42 | yuk | solution so far is a simple /bin/sh script with a sleep loop. works perfectly &exit'd until reboot.. |
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| 23:49.36 | frikinz | Jegeva: ah I can reproduce it several times if I run gdb through strace. I suggest gdbing gdb :) |
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