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| 00:03.16 | yuk | ah wahtever, clonsed the latest systemd-cron from git, seemed to fix it |
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| 00:10.36 | acu | I got a new uverse service and I forwareded on my router port 22 towards another machine - however I am not able to ssh anymore in that local machine - do I have udp port too ? |
| 00:11.37 | tecnico | ssh is just cp |
| 00:11.38 | tecnico | tcp |
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| 00:13.10 | kylethebaker | for some reason my UTC time is set to EST time, and my local time which is set to EST time is 5 hours behind that, im assuming the offset is from the UTC time. how can I change my UTC time? |
| 00:13.20 | blocky | if my xbmc nfs client is running as root on it's machine, does that mean my nfs server needs to run as root on my media-hosting machine? |
| 00:13.39 | buu | Ew, nfs. |
| 00:13.49 | blocky | it's that or samba |
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| 00:14.06 | buu | I suggest samba. |
| 00:14.18 | smw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.52 | smw | blocky, I use sftp :-) |
| 00:15.20 | smw | blocky, granted, I have vlc on the other end, but it might work for xbmc too :-) |
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| 00:16.22 | blocky | smw: you stream hd video over sftp? |
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| 00:16.58 | blocky | buu: i heard nfs was faster than samba, why don't you like it? |
| 00:17.08 | smw | blocky, sd actually... but I don't see why it wouldn't work with HD. Computers tend to be fast enough. I run vlc with a second of cache though |
| 00:17.28 | smw | blocky, nfs is a pain to setup securely |
| 00:18.17 | blocky | does it need to be secure in a home network? |
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| 00:19.32 | smw | blocky, whether or not security is necessary is for you to decide |
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| 00:21.15 | smw | blocky, I think with enough caching in the media player, it will stream hd video fine. Never sat down and tested it though |
| 00:21.34 | buu | blocky: My somewhat brief tests and research have shown very little speed differences between samba and nfs and samba feels a lot more portable, even between two unix machines. You don't have to worry about uids and permissions on both boxes, it works on every os available, etc. |
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| 00:22.14 | blocky | samba is easier to set up, ill give it that |
| 00:22.20 | smw | buu, I think nfs has better random reads, but you don't need that to stream video... so yeah, I recommend samba/sftp |
| 00:22.40 | buu | And certainly these days I can't imagine anything other than the actual network link being the bottleneck for traffic |
| 00:22.44 | buu | Well, and harddisk speed. |
| 00:23.42 | blocky | fine ill just use samba |
| 00:24.02 | buu | =] |
| 00:24.04 | blocky | it will still be more reliable than when windows was serving it |
| 00:24.22 | smw | buu, it all depends on caching on the other end. I got slight stuttering occasionally (a couple times every tv show) with sftp and sd video when vlc cached only 300ms in advance |
| 00:24.36 | smw | buu, upping it to 1s of cache fixed it |
| 00:24.43 | buu | smw: Over what network? |
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| 00:24.53 | smw | buu, local |
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| 00:24.56 | smw | hard wired |
| 00:24.57 | buu | wired? |
| 00:24.58 | buu | wow |
| 00:25.10 | smw | or wait... it may have been wifi |
| 00:25.16 | smw | now I don't remember, lol |
| 00:25.16 | buu | Wifi seems more likely =] |
| 00:25.20 | smw | this was a while ago :-) |
| 00:25.32 | buu | My current problem is I can't stream raw hd over wireless =[ |
| 00:25.40 | smw | heh |
| 00:26.16 | buu | Because wireless is dumb! |
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| 00:26.52 | blocky | lol buu i just snaked an ethernet cable down the hallway |
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| 00:27.51 | buu | haha |
| 00:28.01 | buu | I'm about to embark on the adventure of running cat6 through walls |
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| 00:28.52 | buu | I wonder if there's anything like a super advanced studfinder that would actually show you a picture of the inside of your wall |
| 00:29.03 | buu | Like backscatter imaging for a wall |
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| 00:31.57 | buu | Wait, how the hell do magnets find studs? |
| 00:32.22 | buu | Oh. Screws. |
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| 00:35.42 | dondelelcaro | buu: this is way OT, but use a modern studfinder which uses capacitance, and get yourself a tape measure too. You should also know how to use fish tape, flexible drill bits, and fish rods... |
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| 00:36.27 | cafuego | buu: See also: radar and ultrasound imaging |
| 00:36.35 | cafuego | Possibly above your budget, though. |
| 00:36.53 | dondelelcaro | (and whatever you do, be careful about mains) |
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| 00:41.26 | buu | dondelelcaro: I just got the fish tape actually, I'm waiting on a friend who actually knows how to do this sort of thing |
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| 00:43.54 | hiyo | I need to have a script that check whther my ip has changed, and if it did to send me an email with the new one |
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| 00:45.03 | hiyo | I need to have a script that check whther my ip has changed, and if it did to send me an email with the new one |
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| 00:48.08 | jeep | hiyo: small script and a cron job would work perfect |
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| 00:48.31 | hiyo | I'm not that good at bash scripting :( |
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| 00:49.29 | jeep | hiyo: is this box direct connected or connected through a router? |
| 00:50.02 | jeep | is it an external ip from across te internet you want or a subnet ip ?\ |
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| 00:51.03 | hiyo | I want to check the external ip and it is connected through a router but is in a DMZ |
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| 00:51.58 | jeep | many routers have the abilty to use a dns service |
| 00:53.39 | pirret | you may wanna use some dyndns service |
| 00:53.53 | icesword | yeah well the router admin limited my download speed , how to crack it heh |
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| 00:54.49 | hiyo | are there any free ones? |
| 00:55.00 | pirret | www.dy.fi is what i use |
| 00:55.09 | pirret | they have nice little perl script that updates your ip |
| 00:55.11 | hiyo | also my router doesn't support dyndns it is total garbage |
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| 00:55.28 | jeep | IP=`lynx -dump url | grep ip | awk '{print $3}'`if IP=`cat ip.tmp` exit else lynx -dump ip... > ip.tmp && email ip.tmp foo@email.com its all pretty basic |
| 00:55.33 | pirret | http://www.dy.fi/?lang=en |
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| 00:56.24 | hiyo | so I just put that in a cron job then? |
| 00:57.01 | jeep | hiyo: use correct syntax for it all ect. but yeah |
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| 01:03.16 | Sakara | hi all, I have a server where I would like to use nss_ldap to get my attributes for users. |
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| 01:03.36 | Sakara | Now my trouble. |
| 01:03.49 | Sakara | I would like to conditionally set the loginShell based on group membership in AD. |
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| 01:03.57 | Sakara | Has anyone done with the nss_ldap configuration? |
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| 01:06.46 | arthurfiggis | hello :) i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask because it's only related to debian, but...for people who are using it, is the repository at http://www.deb-multimedia.org generally considered reliable? it has a few programs like bombono-dvd that i haven't been able to find pre-built packages for anywhere else |
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| 01:09.55 | Sakara | By conditionally I want default to be /bin/nologin and if you are in a "linux users" group you get /bin/bash. |
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| 01:10.47 | oneand0 | arthurfiggis: I have been using it for awhile, pretty ok, i tend to default to the main repos, unless necessary though |
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| 01:12.19 | arthurfiggis | oneand0: oh, i do the same thing...only on the odd occasion that a version of something i need is just not available will i build something from source, i usually don't bother with third-party repositories unless i have to :) good to hear from someone who is using it all the same though, thanks |
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| 01:13.05 | irifjeogfj | trying to boot Debian netinst off USB |
| 01:13.17 | irifjeogfj | I lose keyboard/mouse as soon as the boot menu (GRUB?) exits |
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| 01:13.41 | oneand0 | arthurfiggis: never had an issue, a couple of dependencies once, easily sorted, enjoy |
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| 01:15.03 | irifjeogfj | help :( |
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| 01:16.48 | arthurfiggis | irifjeogfj: 32 or 64 bit? arch that you're installing on? as a general, stab in the dark tip if you have a computer with secure boot you might need to explicitly select a "legacy boot" option or something similar in order for things to go smoothly |
| 01:16.50 | themill | arthurfiggis: it's full of buggy packages that can make a mess of the rest of your multimedia setup. If you must, then grabbing the source packages for the applications (not the libraries) and recompiling them on your own machine is a better plan. |
| 01:17.07 | irifjeogfj | arthurfiggis: not sure; the CPU is x86_64 |
| 01:17.21 | irifjeogfj | I get to the GRUB-like menu and keyboard works fine there |
| 01:17.28 | irifjeogfj | that couldn't happen with secure boot |
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| 01:17.59 | arthurfiggis | themill: well...that's certainly a different perspective on things :( generally apt-get build-dep gets all the dependencies for things when i compile it though, so it's mostly fine...but vlc 2.1.0 i had trouble compiling from source so i figured i'd see if i could find a repo with a newer version :) |
| 01:18.07 | irifjeogfj | I wonder if I need to get an unstable netinst image for drivers or something |
| 01:18.21 | irifjeogfj | although I wouldn't think there's anything new for USB 2 hubs |
| 01:18.30 | themill | arthurfiggis: vlc is one of the things I would definitely not get from there |
| 01:18.31 | dreamer | I encountered a, supposedly, openssl bug in debian, any idea if I actually need to file a bug or there is a fix for this? -> https://github.com/embolalia/willie/issues/360 |
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| 01:18.56 | arthurfiggis | irifjeogfj: hmm...well, in the case of secure boot on my own system, it actually booted, installed and got up to the installation of grub..then failed on the installation of grub :( so secure boot can be somewhat...finicky |
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| 01:19.43 | arthurfiggis | themill: hmm...i'll have to see if i can figure out what the issue is when i'm compiling it on my own then, thanks for mentioning the problems all the same though...i guess i'll have to keep looking :/ |
| 01:20.36 | irifjeogfj | still, it wouldn't make sense for that to disable *jsut* USB; and I'm pretty sure it's disabled in any case |
| 01:21.39 | arthurfiggis | irifjeogfj: ahh, okay...so things actually continue booting, it doesn't just freeze up completely after the grub menu? |
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| 01:22.11 | arthurfiggis | not sure what could be happening there then, but i'm sure that if you stick around here long enough someone will have :) |
| 01:22.40 | irifjeogfj | arthurfiggis: yes, I just get stuck because no kb |
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| 01:24.41 | arthurfiggis | irifjeogfj: that is odd yes, you wouldn't think that a keyboard or mouse would need (e.g.) special firmware modules that aren't included normally...although if that were the case it would show up in dmesg :) i'm just trying to think of how you'd view that without being able to type anything |
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| 01:28.16 | refrax | have a question about raid config in linux, specifically using mdadm. I bought 2 3TB drives, and put them together with mdadm in a RAID0, built the FS on them with ext4 and mounted the raid. But df -h only shows 4tb for this device. |
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| 01:28.49 | refrax | possibly fdisk only made a 2TB parittion on each? |
| 01:28.50 | dondelelcaro | refrax: how did you create the partitions on the device? are they gpt partitions? |
| 01:29.05 | dondelelcaro | refrax: secondly, does your controller actually support 3T drives? |
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| 01:29.39 | refrax | 1st question, not sure if GPT, how would I check? 2nd, fairly new motherboard, but not sure |
| 01:29.57 | zykotick9 | refrax: did you use fdisk? |
| 01:30.12 | refrax | I created the partition in fdisk, and used the defaults for first and last sector, so I'm guessing itonly let me make a 2tb partition on each one |
| 01:30.19 | refrax | zykotick9: yes |
| 01:30.38 | zykotick9 | fdisk = NOT GPT. = no support for 3TB drives :( use parted/gparted/gdisk |
| 01:30.46 | refrax | oic... |
| 01:30.57 | refrax | I was not aware of that. Ok let me give that a try thanks! |
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| 01:31.28 | arthurfiggis | refrax: yes, i got bitten by that as well so don't feel bad :) it's been so long since i've mucked about with the partition scheme myself that i didn't realize fdisk didn't handle gpt...or what gpt was to begin with |
| 01:31.54 | arthurfiggis | i think i need to do some reading on filesystems again but my brain is pretty much full already trying to figure c++ out :P |
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| 01:32.00 | refrax | arthurfiggis: I've nbever heard of it, but these are the biggest single drives I ever bought :P |
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| 01:33.09 | zykotick9 | refrax: gpt has 2 nice features IMO: 1) supports large drives and 2) doesn't have the 4 primary limit on partitions |
| 01:33.26 | themill | dreamer: that looks like a certificate trust error |
| 01:33.44 | dvs | zykotick9: Then why have logical partitions at all? |
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| 01:33.55 | refrax | off to find a parted tutorial now thanks guys! |
| 01:33.58 | zykotick9 | dvs: on gpt, they aren't required ;) |
| 01:34.04 | dvs | yay |
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| 01:38.28 | arthurfiggis | ahh...the wheezy-backports nvidia drivers work much better than 304.88, i'm glad someone's working on bringing patches from the recent versions back :) that was the only thing stopping me from using debian until recently really, the card i have is supported by 304.88 but it's buggy, experiences graphics corruption occasionally etc. now everything's running smoothly |
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| 01:41.33 | refrax | if I get the error "partition length of 5860530176 sectors exceeds the msdos-partition-table-imposed maximum of 4294967295" does this mean my motherboard doesn't support the drives? |
| 01:42.11 | refrax | ah nevermind I am still noobing it up here |
| 01:42.15 | refrax | haven't made it GPT yet doh |
| 01:42.17 | dvs | refrax: "msdos-partition-table" is the operable word |
| 01:42.25 | arthurfiggis | refrax: that sounds like it's still not...never mind :) |
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| 01:44.40 | Rums | hello |
| 01:44.54 | dvs | zzzzzzz |
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| 01:48.31 | amdp | hi |
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| 01:50.40 | amdp | if I sftp connect to my host 95.110.226.81 with a unix user like mydomain I can have access through the ssh server, while if I use the domain name like mydomain.org it does not work |
| 01:50.56 | Denyerec | Got a question regarding dnsmasq. When I do nslookup from machine B (dns installed on machine A) the dns reports with the correct IP (192.168....) but the site I'm querying resolves with 127.0.0.1 |
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| 01:51.12 | amdp | mydomain.org points to the 95.110.226.81 one |
| 01:51.19 | Denyerec | My resolv.conf only includes the full IP for the DNS server as the nameserver, not the 127.0.0.1 address. |
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| 01:52.40 | refrax | muuuhahaha I now have a 5.5tb raid0 thanks again guys! now I know, and knowing is half the battle! |
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| 01:52.51 | dvs | G.I.Joe! |
| 01:53.42 | arthurfiggis | refrax: well that's definitely good news ) besides, no one expects you to know everything starting off...at least i hope not, i think everything useful i learned about linux i learned by accidentally messing something up :P |
| 01:53.46 | amdp | and the user mydomain is only allowed to use /var/www/mydomain.org |
| 01:54.04 | amdp | why the ssh works only on the numeric IP? |
| 01:54.06 | dvs | arthurfiggis: not really. it's RAID 0! |
| 01:55.14 | arthurfiggis | dvs: well, granted i wouldn't use that unless i had a 6tb backup of some kind :) |
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| 01:55.34 | arthurfiggis | otherwise if one drive goes everything goes, if i remember right |
| 01:55.40 | refrax | gonna see about adding it to fstab now |
| 01:55.45 | dvs | arthurfiggis: yup |
| 01:56.38 | arthurfiggis | dvs: aha :) i always thought raid 0 was just something that was come up with to appease pointy-haired-boss types creating filedump servers |
| 01:56.55 | arthurfiggis | "look, you can make two big drives into one big drive! just don't let it break, ever" |
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| 01:57.30 | arthurfiggis | although if you have 6tb of backup then it'd be wonderful :) i wouldn't turn down 6tb extra space |
| 01:57.36 | refrax | yeah I'm not storing irreplaceable stuff on here, just nonsense. Redundancy is not needed for this application |
| 01:57.54 | dvs | refrax: You need to update /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 01:58.04 | damianos | I'm having a problem with a custom icon theme. All my specialty folders show up except the generic folder.png and I have no idea why. |
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| 01:58.38 | damianos | Anybody in here good with theming? |
| 01:58.39 | arthurfiggis | refrax: that's probably a sensible idea for sure...it's been a long, long time since i've set up raid of any kind, but raid 0 in particular i'd classify in the "fun only" category :) |
| 01:58.50 | refrax | dvs: already done |
| 01:59.22 | refrax | with 'mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf' |
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| 02:00.50 | dreamer | themill: the site is authenticated by cacert and I have the ca-certificates package installed |
| 02:00.56 | arthurfiggis | whoops...removing the default version of libreoffice also removes the gnome meta-package...and then auto-remove uninstalls gnome :( i'm glad i did that one with kde installed already |
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| 02:02.06 | dondelelcaro | arthurfiggis: yes, that's pretty typical for virtual packages |
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| 02:02.57 | arthurfiggis | dondelelcaro: kind of a pain that libreoffice is considered a gnome dependency though, it's one of the few packages in the stable repositories that's a bit too old for my liking :) i wasn't using gnome much anyway though |
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| 02:04.13 | themill | dreamer: yeah, but it looks like the python code isn't finding that certificate properly. You'd need to wade through it to work out how and why. Upstream's "it must be a debian problem" is a pretty poor effort |
| 02:04.35 | refrax | gonna reboot to see if my dreams of 6tb on boot come true! |
| 02:04.43 | dvs | sucker! |
| 02:04.44 | dvs | ;-P |
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| 02:05.46 | dreamer | yeah indeed. I've been grepping for ssl in the source |
| 02:05.50 | dondelelcaro | arthurfiggis: it's just a dependency of the virtual package |
| 02:06.06 | dondelelcaro | arthurfiggis: and if you need a newer version of libreoffice, there's a newer one in backports |
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| 02:06.15 | dreamer | but I think it basically calls openssl, so then it could be in the python-openssl package |
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| 02:06.45 | dreamer | themill: google-fu shows these types of errors with unreadable certificates, but somehow I doubt that ca-certificates is wrongly configured |
| 02:07.21 | arthurfiggis | dondelelcaro: ahh, i didn't realize that...i was trying to find a list of the backports available for wheezy earlier but the search engine on packages.debian.org (i think) only had a drop-down for squeeze and some other release :) i just downloaded libreoffice from their site, thanks for mentioning the backports version...i'll check that out |
| 02:07.26 | themill | dreamer: unreadable probably looks the same as missing CA |
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| 02:07.41 | arthurfiggis | i'd like to be able to use gnome now and then too, it's not too bad even if it's a bit bizarre to use sometimes |
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| 02:09.06 | dreamer | themill: I have connected to the aforementioned irc server before from a wheezy host. so I doubt there is something wrong with the cert or the certs package |
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| 02:10.13 | arthurfiggis | dondelelcaro: on the subject of newer packages, i don't suppose you know of a good repo that has a recent version of vlc? :) i tried building it from source earlier and had troubles...deb-multimedia seems to have mixed reviews |
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| 02:11.06 | dondelelcaro | arthurfiggis: the newest version of vlc is 2.1.0, which is in sid. Wheezy has 2.0.3, which is fairly recent |
| 02:11.18 | dondelelcaro | arthurfiggis: if you absolutely must have 2.1.0, /msg dpkg ssb; for details |
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| 02:12.13 | arthurfiggis | dondelelcaro: oh, it's not an absolute necessity really, 2.0.3 works fine in my case much like everything else i've tried for wheezy :) but i'll check that out just in case, thanks! |
| 02:12.23 | Denyerec | Can anyone help me with dnsmasq? I'm having trouble in that it always seems to return 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:12.47 | Denyerec | I've tried making dnsmasq read only from a custom hosts file which doesn't contain the localhost line |
| 02:12.54 | Denyerec | and that didn't achieve anything |
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| 02:25.41 | JaAViEr | if you wanna Hack something , you can visit http://go.cur.lv/hackfacebook , It's free! |
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| 02:28.42 | AlexLikeRock | i love debian :-) |
| 02:28.46 | pa7iQ | hi. how does mail and cron know know where the local SMTP server is listening? If I modify exim4 to listen on localhost:26, all mail goes there. But where does mail and cron get this information from? |
| 02:28.49 | AlexLikeRock | i love Gnome 3 |
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| 02:28.52 | dvs | boo1 |
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| 02:28.58 | theN_ | hi all ^) |
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| 02:29.03 | theN_ | :) |
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| 02:30.17 | AlexLikeRock | hi theN_ |
| 02:30.30 | theN_ | hi AlexLikeRock, please tell me |
| 02:30.36 | AlexLikeRock | what ? |
| 02:31.06 | AlexLikeRock | i love gnome3 |
| 02:31.23 | AlexLikeRock | its sooooo easy |
| 02:32.00 | theN_ | if i read a manual for debian, will i be ready for using debian or i will be needed in extra lessons? P.S. Please, sorry for my english |
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| 02:33.02 | theN_ | i mean use debian for 100% |
| 02:33.35 | dreamer | read ALL the manuals! o/ |
| 02:34.07 | AlexLikeRock | enough with the manual, but sometimes strange things happen, that here in the CHAT - IRC you resolve them |
| 02:34.17 | AlexLikeRock | theN_, enough with the manual, but sometimes strange things happen, that here in the CHAT - IRC you resolve them |
| 02:34.44 | theN_ | thanks :) |
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| 02:35.15 | AlexLikeRock | no hay problema :) |
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| 02:44.58 | AlexLikeRock | LIBRE OFFICE to Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice |
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| 02:47.48 | themill | AlexLikeRock: please try to stick to debian user support. |
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| 02:48.32 | AlexLikeRock | ok, tanks, i forget #debian-offtopic :-P |
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| 02:52.32 | Rums | I think I should just switch to sid on my desktop. |
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| 03:20.06 | Guest0072 | hello |
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| 03:24.12 | buu | This is slightly offtopic, but debian related, does anyone know of a wireless solution that gives super high bandwidth over very limited distance through walls? |
| 03:24.23 | buu | Preferably one that doesn't cook anything that steps in front of it |
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| 03:25.56 | dvs | buu: Sounds like the 5GHz range. |
| 03:26.22 | buu | dvs: with 80211? |
| 03:26.32 | dvs | es |
| 03:26.34 | ArtyG | buu: 802.11ac is fairly fast. |
| 03:26.40 | buu | ArtyG: Its ALL LIES |
| 03:26.43 | buu | 100% LIES |
| 03:26.46 | buu | and satanism |
| 03:27.00 | buu | Also linux doesn't really play well with AC at the moment. |
| 03:27.10 | ArtyG | That's the linux/wifi curse. |
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| 03:27.28 | buu | But even on a macbook I can only get a couple of hundred megabits out of wifi ac |
| 03:28.16 | buu | And the linux ac card won't even talk on the 80mhz band |
| 03:28.22 | cafuego | buu: cordless drill |
| 03:28.32 | buu | cafuego: That's my next solution! |
| 03:28.40 | buu | Or more accurately: drywall saw |
| 03:28.58 | buu | The trick is finding out how to get the wires in |
| 03:29.06 | cafuego | hammer |
| 03:29.21 | buu | -_- |
| 03:29.50 | buu | Its hard to hammer on the inside of a wall! |
| 03:30.15 | cafuego | make the hole bigger |
| 03:30.26 | buu | heh |
| 03:30.34 | buu | Will you come patch it up? |
| 03:31.05 | cafuego | if by that you mean throw a bucket of cement at it, sure |
| 03:31.22 | cafuego | if you'll spring for travel |
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| 03:45.17 | bitgeek | buu: powerline lan? |
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| 03:49.21 | cafuego | bitgeek: Not if he wants more than a couple of hundred megabits, afaik. |
| 03:50.55 | bitgeek | I thought that to, but just seen a TRENDnet 500Mb 4port adapter down to $64 on amazon |
| 03:51.31 | bitgeek | what speeds you actually get - don't quote me |
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| 03:53.44 | buu | bitgeek: Yeah, I checked into it, aside from the various problems with old homes and where the circuits actually go, the benchmarks I saw were rather grim |
| 03:53.56 | buu | Like actual speeds of <120mbps when the adapters were next to each other |
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| 04:32.29 | bitgeek | how can I read the man pages for libnet-amazon-s3-tools-perl without installing it please? |
| 04:33.13 | jeep | most man pages are online also |
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| 04:34.02 | Tramp | bitgeek: http://search.cpan.org/~pfig/Net-Amazon-S3-0.59/lib/Net/Amazon/S3.pm - probably what you're looking for |
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| 04:34.38 | bitgeek | that is great, having man pages online, thanks |
| 04:35.24 | themill | There's also manpages.debian.org that has the right versions of the documentation for the versions of the packages you have |
| 04:35.54 | themill | e.g. http://manpages.debian.org/1/s3acl |
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| 04:38.05 | stew | or http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sex |
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| 04:44.57 | xsamurai | I have a server im running wheezy on, hangs at weird times , its happened twice, so far i've ran memtest and cpu and hd stress benchmarks and nothing happens, temps are normal and no errors. I've gone through all the logs and everything stops at the point of the hang |
| 04:46.16 | well_laid_lawn | I'd take a look at the power supply then |
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| 04:49.46 | xsamurai | well_laid_lawn: I have four nodes per chassis on the same power supply so thats ruled out |
| 04:50.08 | xsamurai | well_laid_lawn: should I start looking at the os and the services running it |
| 04:50.54 | xsamurai | problem is I cant get any output from the logs to point me to a direction , if it is hardware I would prefer to change it now instead of having it crash again in the future |
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| 04:59.08 | blocky | how difficult is it to install a package from unstable? i need the latest version of gnuradio (3.7) and s |
| 04:59.27 | blocky | .. and it's not in wheezy or jessie |
| 05:00.11 | stew | blocky: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 05:02.43 | blocky | stew: so if it's not in jessie it won't be in backports, correct? |
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| 05:03.17 | stew | correct |
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| 05:44.32 | jeep | blocky: build a .deb from source you can usually get newer versions unless there is a dependencie problem |
| 05:44.40 | jeep | *to compile |
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| 05:49.50 | jwilliams1 | is there any tool or package that help `focus` (or highlight) on the mouse when i miss the location of mouse pointer? |
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| 05:52.10 | jeep | jwilliams1: like you cant see the cursor on the screen ? |
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| 05:53.39 | waynr | i am on debian jessie and want to install package "praat" but it does not appear to be available |
| 05:53.54 | waynr | i look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/praat.html |
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| 05:54.43 | waynr | i am on debian jessie and want to install package "praat" but it does not appear to be available |
| 05:55.00 | waynr | i look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/praat.html and it looks like there is a build issue for the package |
| 05:55.12 | waynr | is that why it's not available? |
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| 05:57.04 | chattr | waynr: http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=praat |
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| 05:58.58 | waynr | ah, i see |
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| 06:02.36 | jwilliams1 | jeep: i can see mouse pointer. just because the screen resolution is a bit high for me, sometime i miss the mouse pointer. |
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| 06:02.53 | jwilliams1 | 1920x1080 60.0*+ |
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| 06:04.01 | jeep | jwilliams1: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=65730 |
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| 06:10.24 | jwilliams1 | jeep: that seems just to change theme. can it perform something like mac's highlighting mouse -> bit.ly/1bc2BwE |
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| 07:01.45 | qman__ | acu, sure, it's how I have mine |
| 07:01.54 | jeep | jwilliams1: i am not finding much info there must be a program out there though |
| 07:02.19 | acu | qman__, so I can create a vm with two NICs |
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| 07:02.40 | acu | and install OpenVPN and make a server |
| 07:02.48 | qman__ | yeah |
| 07:03.21 | qman__ | mine actually only has one NIC, I have a bridge on it and an openVPN tap interface |
| 07:03.34 | qman__ | but you can do either |
| 07:05.09 | bezaban | on a sort of related note, does anyone know a channel where there is a good discussion about network architecture? |
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| 07:05.25 | subb1 | hi debian. |
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| 07:06.29 | subb1 | I searched a lot. Where can I find default apt's sources.list for my debian squeeze installation. Someone messed up with it and apt is returning all broken links. |
| 07:06.41 | subb1 | It |
| 07:06.56 | subb1 | it's a shared server with a few of us having access. |
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| 07:07.40 | bezaban | the sources.list is set up on install, generally you use a mirror close to you |
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| 07:08.03 | bezaban | some providers have their own repositories set up per default, but that's only a performance thing |
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| 07:08.26 | subb1 | bezaban, yea is it possible to find out valid debian repos online? |
| 07:08.44 | bezaban | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList should tell you what you need to know, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList lists mirrors |
| 07:08.47 | subb1 | I belive it was installed from a iso downloaded from the debian website. |
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| 07:08.58 | bezaban | er. |
| 07:09.12 | bezaban | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 07:09.52 | bezaban | only official ones though, if your server provider (assuming you are using one) has one available you could use that for speed |
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| 07:10.57 | bezaban | bot should have a factoid too |
| 07:11.03 | bezaban | dpkg tell me about sources.list |
| 07:11.38 | acu | !network |
| 07:11.39 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. For resources, ask me about <networking>. |
| 07:11.49 | acu | !networking |
| 07:11.50 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 07:13.30 | bezaban | subb1: note that you might be in some trouble if you have mixed repos from other versions of debian and/or distributions |
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| 07:14.43 | subb1 | bezaban, noted. Will I have this problem if I specifically mention 'squeeze' in 'distribution' line of deb and deb-src? |
| 07:14.50 | subb1 | of sources.list? |
| 07:15.50 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a chance to have cryptsetup retrieve its key over the network? As far as I understand it, the cryptdisks init script runs before networking is set up, so this will be a bit tricky. |
| 07:15.57 | bezaban | subb1: no, that should be fine. Perfect actually |
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| 07:16.19 | subb1 | bezaban, great. your responses were to the point. thank you. |
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| 07:16.44 | bezaban | np :) |
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| 07:20.31 | bezaban | if you apt-cdrom and iso image from a datastore and use it along with repos in sources.list, will it grab the newest version off the remote repo if not available on the 'cdrom'? |
| 07:20.35 | bezaban | s/and/an |
| 07:20.56 | bezaban | a poor (lazy) mans local repo |
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| 07:24.31 | Mike9863 | Would setting up an mpd server on my debian computer allow me to play music from other devices like Android phones through the computer's speakers? |
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| 07:26.54 | bezaban | Mike9863: there does appear to be an android client yes |
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| 07:27.49 | Mike9863 | bezaban: Alright thanks. I just wasn't sure if an MPD server is what I should be looking to use for a task like this. |
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| 07:38.25 | neo1691 | Hey guys, I work as a normal user and I have root as a different user. I want to add my normal user to the group fuse with the command sudo adduser fuse But when I do that bash says that the user is not in sudoers group. How can I add a normal user to this group |
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| 07:40.50 | buu | neo1691: sudo groupadd? su first? visudo? |
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| 07:41.20 | neo1691 | buu, ok I do su first and login as root. Then how to add say user X to fuse group |
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| 07:42.32 | buu | uh |
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| 07:43.39 | buu | groupmod -ga user fuser |
| 07:43.43 | buu | Possibly. |
| 07:43.45 | buu | er, sorry |
| 07:43.46 | buu | usermod |
| 07:43.54 | neo1691 | ok I will try |
| 07:43.57 | buu | Oh my god typing is hard. |
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| 07:44.02 | buu | usermod -Ga user fuser |
| 07:44.16 | buu | Sorry, I'm terrible, do man usermod |
| 07:44.25 | buu | I can't type the command in apparently. |
| 07:44.56 | neo1691 | I added it using the gui of gnome |
| 07:45.07 | buu | haha |
| 07:46.42 | neo1691 | buu, thanks though |
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| 07:48.56 | milligan | I have a cronjob, * * * * * cd /home/milligan/storage/cdr_syncer ; /usr/bin/php cdr_downloader.php . This job had an error during the night. Where would I find the log of the error? |
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| 07:49.45 | brick | sometimes it comes in your local account's email (mbox i guess)... you can try to cause other messages to be sent with a new cron job and track them down |
| 07:49.50 | brick | ^^ milligan |
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| 07:50.23 | milligan | no mbox or any files in /var/mail :( |
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| 07:55.25 | brick | i have some cron messages in /var/log/syslog too |
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| 08:15.50 | memex | hi! |
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| 08:18.13 | jelly-home | milligan: does local mail delivery work at all? do you have a MTA capable of local delivery installed? |
| 08:18.42 | jelly-home | echo test | mailx -s test username |
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| 08:19.38 | milligan | jelly-home, I found them all in /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:19.56 | DarthDepa | Hi guys :) I would like to start help debian's devs :) I'm a computer's programmer |
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| 08:20.04 | DarthDepa | where I can start? :) |
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| 08:49.14 | Dirkos | find /var/domains -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d |
| 08:49.25 | oskie_ | is it possible to hold back a specific version of a package in debian? and still allow upgrade of newer versions automaticly (when they are available) using 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 08:49.26 | Dirkos | how can i tar.gz every directory found as dirname.tar.gz |
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| 08:50.26 | MO_Handes | how can I know what application has occupied a specific port like 8081 and kill it? |
| 08:50.37 | buu | oskie_: Something something pinning |
| 08:51.07 | oskie_ | Dirkos: try this: for d in */; do echo tar cvfz "${d:0:-1}.tar.gz" "$d"; done |
| 08:51.12 | buu | Dirkos: -exec tar -czvf \{\}.tar.gz \{\}/ .. |
| 08:51.57 | oskie_ | buu: hmm yes I'd need to read up on pinning |
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| 08:52.10 | oskie_ | er... I do need to read up on pinning |
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| 08:55.43 | Dirkos | oskie_: is it also possible to only get the main dir |
| 08:55.45 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | MO_Handes: `netstat -untap | grep :8081` |
| 08:55.51 | Dirkos | so /var/domains/foobar will return "foobar" ? |
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| 08:58.11 | Razkin | Hello guys, I have a problem. Before a few months, everything was working just fine, now something popped up. when I open my computer, and after I enter my logindetails and get past the loginscreen, it takes my icons, desktop wallpaper...etc (aka desktop enviroment) around 20-30 minutes to load, what happened? |
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| 09:01.16 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | lsof |
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| 09:04.46 | blocky | what do i do in nautilus if 'Open with other application' doesn't show the one I want to use |
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| 09:12.46 | Iridos | blocky, that seems to show *all* programs that gnome3 sees as applications... so you'd probably need to register it with gnome... *shrug* |
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| 09:12.55 | Iridos | there's #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org, you could ask them |
| 09:13.42 | maxyz | blocky: I'm not a nautilus user, but in previous versions could add program associations from the file properties dialog. |
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| 09:14.55 | Iridos | maxyz, you can, but it's showing the same list of "all" applications |
| 09:15.08 | Iridos | from which you can add things to the favorites... |
| 09:15.25 | Iridos | I think the logic is "we're showing all of them, so we don't have to offer a way to enter custom ones" |
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| 09:16.10 | Iridos | let's rant a little about bad design decisions... |
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| 09:19.54 | Iridos | blocky, that looks relevant, haven't tried, though https://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/ubuntu-fix-add-program-to-list-of-applications-in-open-with-when-right-clicking-files-in-nautilus/ |
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| 09:21.34 | MO_Handes | from a ntfs formatted external hard drive, I can't remove a directory with a long path blah/blah/blah/../blah getting the error "Directory is not empty" ! what to do? |
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| 09:22.51 | user_ | blabla |
| 09:23.14 | maxyz | MO_Handes: Is the directory empty? |
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| 09:25.03 | MO_Handes | maxyz, yes |
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| 09:28.33 | maxyz | MO_Handes: Is there any special char in the dir path, &, spaces, backslash, or extended chars? |
| 09:30.28 | maxyz | MO_Handes: Well, if the problem is the path length you could, probably, move part of the dir structure to a higher level directory. |
| 09:32.30 | maxyz | But, well, double check if the problem is that you are not escaping some special char. |
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| 10:05.36 | jelly | ,v how-can-i-help |
| 10:05.36 | judd | Package: how-can-i-help on i386 -- jessie: 0.6; sid: 0.9 |
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| 10:10.19 | jelly | ,i how-can-i-help --release sid |
| 10:10.20 | judd | Package how-can-i-help (devel, optional) in sid/i386: show opportunities for contributing to Debian. Version: 0.9; Size: 6.4k; Installed: 57k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help |
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| 10:17.26 | Dirkos | Is there way in debian / bash to determine if mysql is installed? I need to check if its needed to backup |
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| 10:18.56 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Dirkos: aptitude search ~imysql-server |
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| 10:21.37 | Dirkos | w1ck3dg0ph3r: any idea how i can use it in a script with an IF (if exists) ? |
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| 10:28.28 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Dirkos: http://pastie.org/8465045 |
| 10:28.57 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Dirkos: Im a noob, though, there might be some better ways |
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| 10:29.26 | Dirkos | w1ck3dg0ph3r: yeah me too, used this now though: if [ -f /etc/init.d/mysql ]; then |
| 10:29.56 | Iridos | Dirkos, you can probably test something like [ -d /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-* ] |
| 10:30.50 | Iridos | Dirkos, debian packages are required by policy to create /usr/share/doc/package-name and put documentation into it |
| 10:30.51 | Dirkos | Iridos: yeah well its more like a "general" check |
| 10:31.10 | Dirkos | i want to use just 1 script for all the servers including nginx/apache/mysql/postgres etc |
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| 10:32.03 | Iridos | so for debian packages you can rely on its existence ... for and weird third-party packages, you can not |
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| 10:32.34 | Iridos | but then you cannot rely on anything for those including that they don't do harmful or very stupid things |
| 10:32.43 | joltcan | Iridos: you could do something like "dpkg -l mysql-server|grep ii && do_foo || do_bar |
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| 10:32.59 | txomon|fon | I am trying to get AP mode working, but it gets repeating lines 82-83 all the time and doesn't complete https://dpaste.de/f9Z2 |
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| 10:37.41 | Iridos | joltcan, because that's *so* much easier than [ -d /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-* ] ? Anyway, Dirkos wanted to test for it... and there is no package mysql-server, the package names are versioned... (and I also disliked having to do a pipe and a grep) |
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| 10:39.50 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | Iridos: [ -x `which mysqld` ]? |
| 10:39.51 | joltcan | Iridos: That was just an example. /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-* might be a lingering folder if mysql was installed at some point |
| 10:40.11 | joltcan | w1ck3dg0ph3r: that's easy enough |
| 10:40.47 | joltcan | I guess the answer is "your solution depends on how important it is that the server binary/package/folder" is installed |
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| 11:10.34 | angs | I have just installed debian 7.1 for an arm device, iwconfig shows 4 wifi interfaces where I have only two. /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules shows my devices are wlan2 and wlan3, somehow wlan0 and wlan1 are reserved. /etc/network/interfaces does not have any config, what could be the problem? |
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| 11:18.35 | morfin | hello i forgot where extactly are located deb packages |
| 11:19.07 | morfin | *exactly |
| 11:19.36 | EmleyMoor | Er... can you tell us more about why you want to know? |
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| 11:21.02 | morfin | because i need to download .deb from my port(in FreeBSD) |
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| 11:21.11 | babilen | morfin: Are you looking for /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? What are you trying to do? |
| 11:21.26 | babilen | morfin: your port? |
| 11:21.34 | morfin | i want to directly download debs from mirror |
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| 11:22.01 | babilen | morfin: You'll find them in pool/ on the mirrors |
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| 11:22.19 | morfin | ow thanks :D |
| 11:23.03 | babilen | morfin: But depending on what you want to do exactly there might be a better way. Do you know beforehand which packages you want to download? How many packages will you download? *Why* do you want to download them? |
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| 11:28.38 | morfin | there a thing in FreeBSD called linuxulator but it requires some linux enviroment oto run linux software |
| 11:29.22 | morfin | and i need minimal system without kernel |
| 11:30.34 | babilen | morfin: Would debootstrap be helpful in that case? |
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| 11:34.10 | morfin | not sure |
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| 11:36.11 | morfin | right now there only port(package) with fedora rpms but as long as i know how to extract debs(ar p mypackage.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx) i can use them in my own port |
| 11:36.31 | maasha | hi, where does postfix configuration reside? |
| 11:36.43 | morfin | only problem is different directories for packages |
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| 11:39.13 | morfin | i think i can try Debian 6(because max kernel supported is 2.6.32 |
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| 11:40.54 | babilen | morfin: Can't you use debootstrap to bootstrap Debian in a jail? |
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| 11:42.22 | morfin | what for |
| 11:42.23 | maasha | gotit |
| 11:42.35 | maasha | hm, smtp settings next. |
| 11:42.56 | morfin | i think i'll try to dl anyway |
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| 11:45.40 | babilen | morfin: If you have access to a debian system you might want to use something like: aptitude download '~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' |
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| 11:45.58 | babilen | morfin: That will download all "standard" packages |
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| 11:57.15 | deepy | How do I disable AES-GCM in opensshd? |
| 11:57.53 | morfin | hmmm |
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| 11:58.18 | morfin | did not know aptitude can be used like that :D |
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| 12:02.08 | babilen | morfin: Hence my question what you want to *achieve* rather than simply answering your question. (cf. "/msg dpkg xy problem") |
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| 12:08.35 | morfin | i forgot what kernel is being used on Debian 7 |
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| 12:09.16 | morfin | 3.x? |
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| 12:09.34 | STMelon | may be wrong |
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| 12:11.09 | themill | work on solving problems that exist rather than inventing ones that don't |
| 12:11.15 | morfin | i mean linuxulator is using 2.6.32 so some problems can occure |
| 12:11.42 | morfin | i am trying to solve problem with broken packages |
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| 12:18.20 | theN_ | Hi all :) |
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| 12:22.52 | maasha | I need some general advice. I have this new debian server behind the university firewall, and I would like to send mail from it. I have installed postfix and can send mail locally on the server, but not to the outside world. Any advice? |
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| 12:25.52 | joltcan | maasha: organisations like that usually has a smarthost that acts like an intermediary |
| 12:26.21 | joltcan | maasha: see if mta.<universitydomain> exists and use that for smarthost |
| 12:27.30 | maasha | joltcan: there is an exchange server running IMAP, is that it? |
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| 12:28.01 | joltcan | maasha: no, it's SMTP you are looking for |
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| 12:28.20 | joltcan | maasha: but you can try and use that system as the smarthost in your conf |
| 12:28.29 | joltcan | maasha: depends on how they have configured it |
| 12:28.56 | maasha | joltcan: I have access to another server where I can send mail from. Can I glean the config from that? What to look for? |
| 12:29.03 | quinso | Is there a way to install a program with configure and makefile scripts by packaging it into a package or something like that? |
| 12:29.33 | joltcan | maasha: it's usually called a smarthost, your server will use SMTP to that one, and that one will deliver your email to the server |
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| 12:31.16 | maasha | joltcan: hm, I suspect would be best if I could find the appropriate configuration on the other debian machine that _can_ send external mail. |
| 12:31.56 | joltcan | maasha: Yeah, or be sneaky and configure that machine to be a smarthost :) |
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| 12:32.12 | joltcan | maasha: Or just ask your IT guys to open outgoing port 25 from you IP |
| 12:32.54 | cusco | hey folks |
| 12:33.37 | cusco | looking at lspci, I have two slightly different pci cards... thing is one of them is pci-x and the other is pci-E I think |
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| 12:33.51 | cusco | how can I associate output from lspci, to from dmidecode ? |
| 12:34.06 | cusco | I would like to know which is which |
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| 12:35.14 | maasha | joltcan: unfortunately our IT guys live on another planet. I dont want to use that other machine as smarthost, but I think if I could configure mine identically, it might work. So where is the configuration saved? |
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| 12:36.49 | themill | maasha: you can't configure you way around firewall rules like that |
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| 12:37.54 | joltcan | maasha: depends on the MTA software in that other system that has a working configu |
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| 12:38.06 | maasha | themill: it may just be me needing the address of the smtp server/smarthost - I was wondering if I could find that on the debian machine where sending external mail works. |
| 12:38.07 | themill | maasha: what you might be able to do is use an authenticated smtp (submission) server elsewhere like gmail. You'd be connecting on port 587 with a username and passwd rather than 25 and that is more likely to be possible |
| 12:38.45 | maasha | joltcan: I looks like it is postfix and it is running. |
| 12:38.57 | joltcan | maasha: then I guess the config is under /etc/postfix |
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| 12:39.38 | maasha | joltcan: my /etc/postfix/main.cf is almost identical to the other - only exception is the hostname. |
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| 12:39.53 | joltcan | maasha: then it's probably a firewall thing |
| 12:40.18 | joltcan | maasha: and then you need the IT guys to fix it, or do as themill suggested |
| 12:40.47 | maasha | joltcan: ok |
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| 12:41.22 | maasha | themill: hm, can I use the university exchange server like that? |
| 12:42.18 | STMelon | brb |
| 12:42.57 | themill | maasha: sure, that's exactly what joltcan recommended in the first place |
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| 12:43.31 | Razin | My laptop battery is literally broken, so I use the charger to keep it on, without charger, it turns off since the battery is dead, it doesn't charge, so now, when my electricity goes out, my laptop dies out, like it shuts down by force, is it harmful for my distro? |
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| 12:44.02 | maasha | themill: I would love to see an example on how to configure such a thing. |
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| 12:44.23 | joltcan | Razin: the filesystem might not like it very much, make sure you "sync" often so everything is written to disk. And make backups |
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| 12:45.06 | joltcan | Razin: things like databases wants to be shut down correctly, no idea if that is an issue for you or not |
| 12:45.19 | Razin | what do you mean, by sync? |
| 12:45.30 | Razin | also does running fsck -l or -f after every power outage fix it? |
| 12:45.52 | joltcan | Razin: if you are lucky, yes |
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| 12:46.11 | joltcan | Razin: "sync" flushes file system buffers to disk so they are written |
| 12:46.28 | Razin | joltcan: after every power outage, how can I fix my filesystem? |
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| 12:47.08 | Razin | like you're saying it harms my filesystem |
| 12:47.21 | joltcan | Razin: I say it can harm it, not that it will harm it |
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| 12:47.40 | Razin | joltcan: how can I check if it harmed it? |
| 12:47.58 | joltcan | Razin: I have to refer you to the man page for fsck, but fsck -y -a or something like that |
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| 12:55.09 | bw_ | does someone has a hint howto change a file inplace (not using a tempfile) in the usual "cat in.txt | grep | awk | some-binary > out.txt" pattern? hence cat in.txt | ... | .. > in.txt doesn't work |
| 12:56.43 | petern_ | You can't do that. |
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| 12:57.20 | bw_ | i've read about sponge, but i thought there a other options |
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| 12:59.13 | themill | you need sponge for that |
| 12:59.18 | bw_ | like grouping { grep .. | awk > in.txt } < in.txt, but im unsure if its generic enough |
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| 12:59.39 | bw_ | yeah, and sponge isn't default installed everywere |
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| 13:00.34 | bw_ | for simple cases sed -i works fine .. but for more complex chains |
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| 13:01.27 | Silex | hello, how do I use dpkg-buildpackage to build a .deb for precise when on a lucid box? |
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| 13:02.04 | Silex | is it just a matter of setting DEB_BUILD_ARCH_OS? |
| 13:02.25 | themill | Silex: you'd be asking #ubuntu about that |
| 13:02.46 | Silex | right, but generally is taht how you do it? |
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| 13:03.08 | themill | yes, you generally ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
| 13:03.23 | theN__ | hi all :) |
| 13:03.32 | theN__ | Does someone here use tails or whonix? |
| 13:03.38 | Silex | shrug. okay thanks |
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| 13:10.01 | DammitJim | what should I do to store passwords on my machine? |
| 13:10.28 | abrotman | which kind of passwords? |
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| 13:10.32 | DammitJim | I wish there was software that would sync passwords amongst people and have a local copy saved (in case the server is down) |
| 13:10.35 | DammitJim | like server passwords |
| 13:10.45 | DammitJim | abrotman, I honestly don't know what channel to ask this question |
| 13:11.00 | abrotman | DammitJim: yes, but I meant like "website" passwords .. but you mean commonly shared root passwords? |
| 13:11.27 | DammitJim | yes, passwords for ESXi, switches, routers, etc |
| 13:11.53 | DammitJim | then root server passwords, some users (for specific applications) |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | DammitJim: this might sound silly, and I don't normally advocate sudo, but this seems like an easy thing for sudo to manage :) |
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| 13:12.08 | DammitJim | I wonder if I should consider developing my own app |
| 13:12.35 | DammitJim | sudo how? *listens closely* |
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| 13:13.56 | abrotman | DammitJim: if you give the users that are meant to have root full sudo rights, they can enter their own password instead of root's |
| 13:14.20 | abrotman | they could even 'sudo su -' |
| 13:14.29 | bw_ | DammitJim: hmm, plaintext file crypted with symetric key (gpg e.g.) stored in a git repo? |
| 13:14.46 | bw_ | so you and your coworks can access and update it |
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| 13:15.06 | DammitJim | the fear here is that the server might not be accessible when we need it |
| 13:15.44 | DammitJim | thanks abrotman I guess I didn't tell you that it's not just servers, but other infrastructure devices on the premises |
| 13:15.48 | bw_ | if everyone has cloned to rep localy that shoudn't be a problem |
| 13:16.06 | bw_ | its just for the syncing across multiple users problem |
| 13:16.17 | abrotman | DammitJim: so maybe you need a LBed website that stores them |
| 13:16.20 | DammitJim | bw_, yeah |
| 13:16.32 | abrotman | DammitJim: or a formula for access passwords? |
| 13:16.37 | DammitJim | LBed... I'll look that up... |
| 13:16.41 | abrotman | Load balanced |
| 13:16.47 | DammitJim | what do you mean a formula for access passwords? |
| 13:17.07 | DammitJim | no, the fear is not the website being down |
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| 13:17.11 | DammitJim | it's network connectivity |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | DammitJim: if the server name is "web12.dc1.foo.com" or "router02.dc3.foo.com" you can use something like <servernamepart1>+<month>+<predeterminedstringknownonlytoteam> |
| 13:18.17 | abrotman | so maybe it would be "web1211Gefa4" |
| 13:18.26 | DammitJim | oh |
| 13:18.34 | DammitJim | that's a very interesting concept! |
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| 13:18.45 | abrotman | probably not the most secure, but easy to change if someone leaves |
| 13:20.02 | DammitJim | right |
| 13:20.09 | DammitJim | I need keys |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | that's another method, but not all your devices may support that |
| 13:20.22 | DammitJim | gosh, this is actually a complex problem |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | which many people have solved :) |
| 13:21.10 | DammitJim | abrotman, I do wonder if many people have solved it or just became lazy and never implemented the solution |
| 13:21.32 | DammitJim | I think the thing that is annoying is this requirement that it has to be sync'd |
| 13:21.46 | abrotman | DammitJim: google "shared password manager" |
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| 13:21.53 | DammitJim | but I'm going to shut up now since this is very off-topic. I must say that you guys are always very helpful and responsive |
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| 13:22.10 | abrotman | I wouldn't say it's offtopic, but it's something that you can google to get a number of ideas |
| 13:22.29 | DammitJim | abrotman, those keywords for the search are greatly appreciated. I was searching: how to manage passwords in IT |
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| 13:27.32 | mamtina | hi ! |
| 13:27.57 | mamtina | what's the difference between repos and mirror ! |
| 13:27.58 | mamtina | ? |
| 13:28.40 | jelly | mamtina: mirrors are the infrastructure present to make the repository content available to users |
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| 13:29.22 | mamtina | aaah thanks jelly ! |
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| 13:30.53 | Bastichou | Hello, |
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| 13:32.07 | maasha | So I just installed logwatch. It looks like it went smooth and it is setup in cron.daily. Is there a way I can test it here and now? |
| 13:32.51 | Bastichou | Someone can help me to find the best way to manage iptables, should i use a config file ? |
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| 13:34.27 | molavy | which port should i open to send email with exim , i using external mail server |
| 13:34.42 | abrotman | Bastichou: that's how most do it |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | molavy: external to what? |
| 13:35.20 | molavy | i want connect to remote smtp server and it email using remote smtp server , |
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| 13:40.13 | tremon | Bastichou: I use iptables-persistent. I'm sure there are tools that allow you to manage your firewall at a higher level, but configuring raw iptables rules is good enough for me |
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| 13:41.34 | Bastichou | abrotman, well, i have to improve my script xD |
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| 13:42.05 | Bastichou | tremon, i will check out iptables-persistent tools ! Thx |
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| 13:50.43 | maasha | what is the name of the standard crappy password generator? |
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| 13:51.14 | CissWit | pwgen ? |
| 13:51.17 | jelly | maasha: echo a |
| 13:51.31 | jelly | ... if you want crappy |
| 13:52.03 | jelly | on the other hand, pwgen is usable |
| 13:52.04 | maasha | jelly: bleh |
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| 13:52.17 | jelly | echo bleh is also crappy, right |
| 13:52.21 | maasha | jelly: ah, I think that was the one I was thinking about. TY |
| 13:52.50 | maasha | there is also one that makes phonetic passwords? |
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| 13:57.04 | jelly | !give CissWit a cookie |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | gives CissWit a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
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| 13:57.28 | vladuke | maasha: try apg -l |
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| 13:58.05 | maasha | vladuke: ty |
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| 13:59.27 | morfin | holy shit |
| 13:59.47 | morfin | minimal debian installation have 360 packages |
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| 14:00.10 | morfin | i installed Debian from netinst and selected only basesystem |
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| 14:00.52 | abrotman | morfin: and? |
| 14:00.54 | buscon | hi |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | notes that's pretty small |
| 14:01.09 | buscon | i'm running debian 6 and i need to have php 5.3 running |
| 14:01.12 | buscon | how can i do that? |
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| 14:01.26 | abrotman | buscon: can you not upgrade to Wheezy? |
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| 14:01.50 | StaticLNX | thats what she said "* abrotman notes that's pretty small" |
| 14:02.05 | morfin | lul i think i need lots of shit to install |
| 14:02.05 | tremon | base isn't minimal though. minimal is not selecting any task |
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| 14:02.25 | morfin | hmmm |
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| 14:03.14 | buscon | abrotman, yes, sorry, i'm using wheezy already :) |
| 14:03.24 | abrotman | morfin: packages have dependencies .. 300 packges is pretty small compared to some systems |
| 14:03.27 | abrotman | judd: versions php5 |
| 14:03.28 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; sid: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; jessie: 5.5.5+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.5+dfsg-1 |
| 14:03.31 | morfin | ;D |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | buscon: well, you already have php 5.3 |
| 14:03.40 | buscon | ah |
| 14:03.43 | buscon | weird |
| 14:03.44 | morfin | lulz |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | and 5.4 is in the security repos |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | morfin: english please |
| 14:03.49 | buscon | php -v says php 5.3 |
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| 14:04.03 | abrotman | buscon: perhaps you should re-read your original question above |
| 14:04.05 | morfin | so you do use 5.3 |
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| 14:04.36 | buscon | uh, sorry php -v says 5.4.5-14+deb7u5 |
| 14:04.42 | morfin | hmmm |
| 14:04.50 | morfin | but how do i know real deb names |
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| 14:08.02 | abrotman | buscon: so are you okay, or not? |
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| 14:08.32 | buscon | no, because 5.4 is running and i need 5.3 |
| 14:08.54 | abrotman | buscon: you want to downgrade to a more insecure version of PHP? |
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| 14:09.18 | buscon | i have to install a cms that just supports php 5.3 |
| 14:09.29 | buscon | it won't be on the web anyway, just intranet |
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| 14:11.15 | babilen | buscon: Can't you install a newer version of that CMS that supports a not yet deprecated PHP version? |
| 14:11.29 | buscon | unfortanetly not... |
| 14:11.30 | babilen | What is it with PHP? Seriously! </rant> |
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| 14:12.00 | abrotman | buscon: what happens if you install the CMS with the PHP that you already have? |
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| 14:13.13 | buscon | the cms is (unfortunately) done with zend for php 5.3, so it just doesn't work |
| 14:13.25 | ikus060 | I'm having alot of issues with my wireless connection recently. Using the network-manager, I'm connecting to a wireless network. I see it as connected, but traffic won't go through. I can't access a web page. Sometime, I turn off the wireless using the hardware switch on my laptop. Turn it back on and it fix it. Other time, I need to reboot the computer. Any tips to debug this problem cause I'm really tired of this. |
| 14:13.25 | babilen | buscon: You could use squeeze or another supported distribution that ships PHP 5.3 (with everything that entails, such as: no security support after May next year) -- RHEL might be sufficiently old for that purpose too. *shrug* |
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| 14:14.25 | buscon | babilen, ok, but now i have installed wheezy, i don't think it's a good idead to mix them... |
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| 14:15.47 | james41382 | Maybe employ a version of that CMS that has been updated to run >= PHP5.4 |
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| 14:16.43 | babilen | buscon: No, don't mix them but run your "legacy" CMS on a separate installation in, for example, a VM. |
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| 14:17.34 | buscon | ok |
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| 14:19.03 | sventon | hi all, I want to run Linux from a bootable USB disk, Do you know if anybody successfully been able to get that to work on a macbook ? |
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| 14:19.57 | buscon | thanks for your answers |
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| 14:25.12 | babilen | sventon: TIAS! http://live.debian.net/manual/current/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#528 |
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| 14:26.05 | babilen | sventon: I don't see any particular reason why this should behave differently on a macbook, but then the last time I touched Apple hardware they were still using PowerPC, so ;) |
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| 14:26.56 | iio7 | Maybe I am just lacking sleep, but I am on wheezy, only running "main". I wanted to install "mumble", which according to packages.debian.org exists, but apt says: "Package 'mumble' has no installation candidate". What am I missing here? |
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| 14:27.21 | abrotman | iio7: pastebin your sources.list please |
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| 14:28.16 | babilen | iio7: And throw in the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mumble" too please. |
| 14:28.22 | babilen | (use http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 14:28.39 | Bronze | Hi all, using debian from a USB (for the first time-ish) I'm trying to understan nm-applet - the network manager. I can't find any way to tell it to restart the network connection when it has lost the connection. Does it have this capability or is the only choice to reboot? |
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| 14:29.16 | babilen | Bronze: It should do that automagically as it tries to maintain a constant network connection at all times. |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | Bronze: supposed to be magic |
| 14:29.34 | frajive | do i need to use the vanilla kernel to install the grsecurity patch ? |
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| 14:29.44 | Bronze | Its magic parts are clearly not powerful enough. :-) |
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| 14:30.17 | Bronze | abrotman: babilen: is there anyway to command it to restart the connection, when its magic has failed? |
| 14:30.27 | babilen | Bronze: If you experience different behaviour we should look into that and need additional information about the actual symptoms you experience. It is also very unlikely that you actually have to reboot the box as "simply" restarting the network-manager service should suffice. (but as mentioned earlier even that shouldn't be necessary) |
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| 14:31.30 | Bronze | babilen: is the command to restart is to invoke its script under /etc/init.d/<servicename> restart ? |
| 14:31.41 | babilen | Bronze: You can just "click" on the connection again and it should re-connect. Could you provide more information about the problem you experience? Which connection time is it "losing". How is it losing it? What hardware are you using? (provide "lspci -nn" output for that). Anything interesting in the kernel ring buffer about it? (dmesg) |
| 14:31.42 | Bronze | whoops, extra word |
| 14:31.49 | Bronze | babilen: is the command to restart to invoke its script under /etc/init.d/<servicename> restart ? |
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| 14:32.17 | babilen | Bronze: "service network-manager restart", but I'd simply click on the connection in the applet again. It shouldn't be necessary to restart the service *unless* the problem lies somewhere else. |
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| 14:35.12 | beli | hi there. my apache server seems not to source settings from /etc/apache2/envvars file and cannot be started anymore. is that a known problem? |
| 14:35.15 | Bronze | babilen: I am coming to 'believe' (with obly incidental evidence) that the problem may be a bug in the driver for the Nic. its a broadcom BCM57788. IIRC i have read of some issues with this component dropping connection, burt I have no hard evidence or specific URL's that document this. |
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| 14:35.54 | beli | i'm on squeeze btw |
| 14:36.00 | babilen | Bronze: yes, that is my impression too (hence the rest of my questions that you might want to answer in detail) |
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| 14:36.15 | Bronze | babilen: to make matters worste, restarting doesn't seem to fix the connectiviy problem even though no other systems on the same LAN connected to the same switch (on any port) have the issue. |
| 14:36.38 | babilen | Bronze: Could you try reloading the tg3 module? |
| 14:36.49 | babilen | (let me know if you don't know how) |
| 14:36.57 | Bronze | babilen: correct :-) |
| 14:37.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bronze -about BCM57788 |
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| 14:37.35 | babilen | Bronze: Please run "modprobe -r tg3 ; modprobe tg3" and paste the last 142 lines of dmesg to http://paste.debian.net (dmesg|tail -n142) |
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| 14:38.07 | Bronze | ok, will take a bit. the hardware is in another room |
| 14:38.32 | babilen | Bronze: Pity, but thanks! |
| 14:38.59 | Bronze | also - I'm running from a usb drive, dunno if the non-feree repo's are in this config, but I doubt it as its a non-persistent config and has no other non-free components |
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| 14:39.16 | Bronze | ^non-free |
| 14:39.34 | Bronze | pours more hot coffee over his hands to facillitate better typing |
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| 14:41.12 | babilen | Bronze: You are aware that this NIC requires firmware, aren't you? Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 14:41.22 | babilen | Or rather: did you ;) |
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| 14:42.01 | beli | hi there. i am on debian squeeze. my apache 2.2.16 seems not to source settings from my envvars file and apache will not startup anymore. after hardcoding the ${APACHE_*} exports, it does again. is that a known issue? |
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| 14:42.38 | Bronze | babilen: just whatever came in the ISO image installed by the YUNI tool. A menu choice. No specific choices or options at all. |
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| 14:42.46 | babilen | yuni? |
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| 14:42.58 | Bronze | crap. "YUMI" |
| 14:43.09 | Bronze | pours more hot coffee over his HEAD to facillitate better typing |
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| 14:43.24 | babilen | okay, YUMI? |
| 14:43.43 | DANtheBEASTman | has anyone gotten a pulseaudio equalizer on working on wheezy? qpaeq or similar? |
| 14:43.49 | babilen | Bronze: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ ? |
| 14:44.01 | Bronze | YUP |
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| 14:44.22 | Bronze | very easy to use, but encourages ignorance. :-) the usual trade-off. |
| 14:44.28 | babilen | Bronze: Why are you not using supported methods of creating bootable Debian live USB sticks? (as discussed in http://live.debian.net/manual/current/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#180 ) |
| 14:44.59 | DANtheBEASTman | Bronze: send some of that coffee my way, it's already 9am and i'm dragging hard |
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| 14:45.23 | Bronze | DANtheBEASTman: I'll see what Ican wring out of my shirt |
| 14:45.25 | mumpitze1 | babilen: cause dd overwrites a 16GB stick with 700MB of debian. and you can't use the stick for anything else |
| 14:45.28 | DANtheBEASTman | lol |
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| 14:45.30 | babilen | Bronze: I mean it essentially boils down to "cp binary.hybrid.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick) -- is that really too hard? ;) |
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| 14:45.47 | Daniel0 | it must take a lot of energy being a beastman |
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| 14:46.04 | babilen | mumpitze1: 4.5.3 Using the space left on a USB stick ;) |
| 14:46.16 | DANtheBEASTman | mumpitze1: that's not strictly true. you should be able to make a new partition with the remaining freespace... although I've never tried so I can't confirm |
| 14:46.28 | mumpitze1 | babilen: doesn't allow me to put e.g. gnome and lxde live images onto the stick |
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| 14:46.46 | DANtheBEASTman | Daniel0: it does indeed. nice name btw |
| 14:46.49 | babilen | Bronze: Either way, please check if you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed (COLUMS=200 dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree) and provide the rest of the output. |
| 14:47.27 | antonp | any suggestions on card games (except for the AisleRiot collection) or other games that a "senior citizen" might like? |
| 14:47.36 | Daniel0 | Daniel0 yep took lots of deep thinking to come up with it |
| 14:47.42 | Daniel0 | lol |
| 14:48.01 | babilen | mumpitze1: bah! I am not arguing that *everything* is possible with that method, but I am simply surprised that many people consider installing a separate tool and using that so much easier than a simple cp. |
| 14:48.04 | Bronze | babilen: that looks very easy, but the YUMI tools lets you create a hierarchy of menu selectable booting images of all kinds of tools with no more effort than clicking the mouse. I've been using UNIX/*NIX since 1979 and while I love the command line, I'm not terribly familiar with configuring boto menu's. |
| 14:48.12 | babilen | Bronze: Fair enough :) |
| 14:48.44 | Bronze | babilen: also when I read that page I didn't get the sense of it that you just summarized. I like what you did. its clear and concise! :-) |
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| 14:49.00 | Bronze | ^boot menu's |
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| 14:49.11 | mumpitze1 | babilen: most people use windows. and for windows users, YUMI is the bees knees compared to the alternative |
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| 14:49.39 | mumpitze1 | and its featureset is (almost) unbeatable. sure, if it then doesn't work, the "debian way" it is, but so far it works for me |
| 14:50.00 | lennycz | Hi guys, I have been using OpenVZ for Squeeze machines at work for a while and I'd like to use it (or something equally simple) for testing of some e.g. simple Python CLI scripts on my home box that runs Jessie. BUT: a warning on deb wiki tells that since Wheezy, Debian does not include OpenVZ kernels. Does that indicate that it would be good idea to start with some other alternative? |
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| 14:50.18 | mumpitze1 | babilen: which is a big problem of all the debian docs btw: it already assumes you run debian (or other linux( which is terminally stupid, sorry |
| 14:50.36 | mumpitze1 | lennycz: yes |
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| 14:50.51 | babilen | mumpitze1: Agreed, but then we have wonderful win32-loader or even http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 14:51.05 | lennycz | mumpitze1, so do you have a recommendation? |
| 14:51.29 | babilen | lennycz: kvm/libvirt |
| 14:51.30 | lennycz | I'd like to have something simple and lightweight |
| 14:51.39 | Bronze | mumpitze1: in their defense, peopel who already use a system like debian are already "in the forest" and can only see "trees" so thats what they write about, forgetting to introduce others to the forest as a first step. |
| 14:51.47 | Bronze | ^people. |
| 14:51.50 | lennycz | kvm? Is that really lightweight? |
| 14:51.58 | Bronze | sucks some more coffee from his shirt... |
| 14:52.26 | babilen | Bronze: I'm still waiting for those pastes and the information if reloading the tg3 module solved the problem btw |
| 14:52.29 | mumpitze1 | Bronze: goodbye-microsoft is agreat hack., but I'd be insane to trust it one bit, sorry |
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| 14:52.46 | Bronze | babilen: yup, have to go afk. It will take a while |
| 14:52.50 | mumpitze1 | sorry, should have been "babilen:" |
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| 14:53.03 | mumpitze1 | lennycz: lxc then? |
| 14:53.34 | lennycz | FTM I have this 5 year old box a 2GHz dual with 4 Gigs of RAM. And I'm hesitant about spending more disk space on virtimage than absolutely necessary |
| 14:53.36 | mumpitze1 | lennycz: kvm is a full VM basically. new kernel and everything but nowadays it's onyl slightly less lightweight |
| 14:53.39 | babilen | lennycz: What will you use it for? A chroot might even be enough, but I wouldn't consider kvm very "heavy" .. it certainly is powerful though. |
| 14:53.43 | mumpitze1 | lennycz: or a chroot |
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| 14:55.17 | lennycz | say I have this library on Github and would like to simply install it and play with it a little. So what I need is just a plain headless machine with minumum install and few hundreds Megs of spare disk space. |
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| 14:56.06 | lennycz | I'd like to be able to easily manage snapshots, say I'll prepare some config on it, with openvz I'd vzdump 1234 and I'm done |
| 14:56.52 | lennycz | I'll look at LXC, although I read somewhere that LXC is not cool anymore :D |
| 14:57.04 | daemonkeeper | OpenVZ is not cool anymore, LXC is |
| 14:57.23 | lennycz | :D |
| 14:57.43 | mumpitze1 | lxc is very much the new cool thing and openvz is on the way down for quite some time now |
| 14:58.18 | lennycz | mumpitze1, that's fairly encouraging, I had the two confused |
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| 14:58.42 | lennycz | By the way, do you guys know the background behind the lack of love to OpenVz |
| 14:58.49 | mumpitze1 | lxc works similar to openvz btw: using the same linux kernel for all "VMs" |
| 14:58.57 | mumpitze1 | proprietary basically |
| 14:59.17 | lennycz | mumpitze1, oh, so that's very uncool |
| 14:59.21 | mumpitze1 | back when openvz started there wasn't much as a competitor. basically only xen. nowadays: lots of Free choices |
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| 15:00.40 | mumpitze1 | lennycz: openvz is the open carrot to get the kernel level infrastructure into the linux kernel to make closed source virtuozzo work |
| 15:00.40 | lennycz | so thanks for pointing me guys, I'll look into LXC, it seems worthwhile now ... |
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| 15:19.11 | sventon | babilen: sorry something come up and I did not see your answer. Macbook don't play well with Ubuntu, It seems apple start to take the same path as windows then it comes to other vendors. |
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| 15:20.23 | sventon | Have tried to get ubuntu to boot from USB without success, The ubuntu forum are really disorganized and it seems some say it should work and other clame it only work on some models/machines |
| 15:21.11 | antonp | How can I use apt-get to download a package with dependencies so that I can install them on another computer (via usbstick for instance)? I can download with apt-get download but I can't get --host-architecture to work.. and I'm not sure I will get all the dependencies |
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| 15:21.48 | chris33 | hi |
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| 15:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-offline |
| 15:22.46 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 15:22.49 | chris33 | i would like to know how to install a codec (lucene4.5.1) in debian pls ? thks |
| 15:22.52 | sventon | I want to use docker.io and if so I also need to update the debian to Linux kernel 3.8 so I am quite pessimistic about this project. |
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| 15:23.23 | mumpitze1 | !tell sventon about backports |
| 15:23.26 | mumpitze1 | ,v kernels |
| 15:23.27 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 15:23.32 | mumpitze1 | ,kernels |
| 15:23.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 15:23.40 | mumpitze1 | as you can see, backports has kernel 3.10 |
| 15:24.21 | antonp | thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 15:24.40 | chris33 | i would like to know how to install a codec (lucene4.5.1) in debian pls ? can someone help me thanks |
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| 15:25.02 | chris33 | with o graphic mode |
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| 15:25.07 | chris33 | no * |
| 15:25.13 | sventon | If I can't find anybody else how have succeeded with this setup I have to look for other solutions |
| 15:25.40 | mumpitze1 | chris33: codec for what program? |
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| 15:26.16 | chris33 | logstash mumpitzel |
| 15:26.49 | mumpitze1 | tthat's a search engine. and apache lucene is not a codec |
| 15:27.59 | chris33 | mumpitzel and logstash is in kibana....... |
| 15:28.36 | chris33 | and when i launch the script he wants lucene45 |
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| 15:28.59 | chris33 | and i don't know how to install this codec..... |
| 15:29.18 | mumpitze1 | !codec |
| 15:29.19 | dpkg | A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>. |
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| 15:29.57 | mumpitze1 | see this? "codec" is generally used for meultimedia data (audio or video). this is a text search engine. NOT a codec |
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| 15:32.14 | chris33 | ok maybe but the script talk about this : A SPI class of type org.apache.lucene.codecs.Codec with name 'Lucene45' does not exist |
| 15:32.36 | chris33 | so i see codecs into his description..... |
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| 15:47.13 | nettezz | servus ppl .. |
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| 16:13.23 | russruss | hey, I'm a total debian beginner and I have what is hopefully a simple question. Something is wrong with the boot order of a bunch of custom init.d scripts somebody who once worked here wrote. We're using dependency-based booting. Is there a command that will let me "test print" the current boot order of the system without actually performing the boot? |
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| 16:14.03 | russruss | or, is there any other quick way of debugging boot order problems? |
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| 16:17.20 | jhutchins_wk | russruss: How many scripts are we talking about? |
| 16:17.46 | russruss | jhutchins_wk: around 10? for various internal services |
| 16:18.22 | russruss | I suppose I could just read all the dependency sections and plot it out on paper but there must be a quick way of getting that information from the system |
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| 16:18.41 | jhutchins_wk | russruss: I think you need to define your dependencies and desired boot order. Probably some of them can be simultaneous, others are order dependent. Define what it should be, then go into each script and edit the headers appropriately. |
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| 16:19.20 | jhutchins_wk | russruss: Plotting on paper sounds most likely, but I know more about init than systemd or whatever we are using now. |
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| 16:20.06 | russruss | jhutchins_wk: yeah, I was familiar with init as well. I was just hoping for some way to plot the information as the booter understood it so I wouldn't have to plot on paper and perhaps make mistakes. |
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| 16:24.30 | jhutchins_wk | russruss: You might find this interesting: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
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| 16:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | russruss: 2009, so I don't know how current it is. |
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| 16:25.39 | jhutchins_wk | russruss: jelly might be a good person to ask. |
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| 16:38.30 | grimeton | ouch http://www.openssh.com/txt/gcmrekey.adv |
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| 16:51.25 | Twinkletoes | I've just subscribed to a "Dedicated" server from 123-reg in the UK. Trying to figure out why I couldn't install ESX, and it turns out it's actually running Parallels as a hyper-visor already. I can either get my money back (but it *is* a good price), or install a type 2 hypervisor on top of Debian instaed. Something like Proxmox. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 16:56.09 | jelly-home | get actual hw |
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| 16:57.38 | Twinkletoes | jelly-home: I get 2 x 12-core AMD, 48GB RAM, 4 x 2TB HDDs in RAID-10, and unlimited bandwidth.... all for less than 100 GBP p/m. Can't find anywhere else which can touch it at that price |
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| 16:58.58 | halim | hello, i have a laptop with a gt540m graphics chip (with optimus) and would like to know if i should install the nvidia drivers for it or not |
| 16:59.54 | halim | i was told that without the drivers, the graphics chip is being used which causes the battery to drain faster |
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| 17:01.34 | Twinkletoes | halim: You'd tell if the discrete chip was being used as it would be chuffing out a fair bit of hot air |
| 17:01.58 | Twinkletoes | halim: If it were me, I'd install them... but it's your laptop |
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| 17:03.34 | halim | Twinkletoes, yeah it does blow out hot air after a while. i guess i'm going to install them |
| 17:03.57 | Twinkletoes | halim: You can always go back if it don't work |
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| 17:04.15 | Twinkletoes | halim: what manufacturer is your laptop? |
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| 17:04.31 | halim | Twinkletoes, samsung (rc530) |
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| 17:07.27 | fishduck | dpkg -p somestuff won't purge somestuff. what am I doing wrong? |
| 17:07.29 | dpkg | fishduck: i don't know |
| 17:07.52 | fishduck | it just prints some version info about sometsuff |
| 17:08.08 | zykotick9 | fishduck: "i think you suffer..." you're probably right! i'm VERY conservative with my computers... i want them to work all the time. |
| 17:08.11 | maxyz | fishduck: -P |
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| 17:08.48 | zykotick9 | fishduck: keep ubuntu support in #ubuntu please |
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| 17:10.28 | maxyz | zykotick9: What's your point? |
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| 17:10.39 | fishduck | thanks maxyz |
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| 17:11.06 | fishduck | maxyz: ignore him, he's a troll (trolling in multiple linux channels) |
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| 17:13.23 | jelly-home | taking notice someone's asking for support in multiple channels at the same time isn't really trolling, on its own |
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| 17:13.58 | jelly-home | providing only useless lines in multiple channels, tho... |
| 17:15.53 | fishduck | jelly-home: not sure what you mean, but I had done nothing wrong here, as far as I see it. |
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| 17:16.27 | fishduck | didn't repeat my self or anything |
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| 17:16.30 | Razkin | y0 |
| 17:16.36 | jelly-home | was commenting on possibility of zykotick9 being or not being a troll |
| 17:16.40 | fishduck | didn't ask the same question, but yes, I'm in #ubuntu too |
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| 17:16.42 | mcurran | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.46 | fishduck | ah |
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| 17:17.22 | jelly-home | fishduck: this channel is about Debian, not dpkg or apt; unfortunately there is no generic channel for dpkg questions |
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| 17:17.35 | jhutchins_wk | !tell mcurran about mint |
| 17:17.50 | zykotick9 | is happy with his new "troll" status :p |
| 17:17.58 | mcurran | I know about it. |
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| 17:18.16 | mcurran | no responses on 3.10 gnome yet |
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| 17:18.32 | brrrzz | I have a debian server with multiple ips bound to eth0. Does anybody know how I can connect from the server using a specific IP, and not the primary eth0 ip? |
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| 17:18.53 | jhutchins_wk | brrrzz: What service? |
| 17:18.57 | jelly-home | brrrzz: make the application bind to a specific source ip |
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| 17:19.41 | jelly-home | brrrzz: eg. the "telnet" client has a -b option for that |
| 17:19.44 | brrrzz | I can start a service bound on any of those IPs. But I have to connect to a different server *using* one of the secondary ips. |
| 17:19.55 | fishduck | jelly-home: thought dpkg was a debian thing. But to be honest (I don't want to sound arrogant or anything, I really don't), I don't see the problem asking about dpkg in any linux channel. |
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| 17:20.47 | pirret | this channel has a bit retarded policy about what you can ask here |
| 17:20.49 | jelly-home | fishduck: it is a Debian thing. But this channel caters exclusively to one distros, for a number of social and technical reasons. |
| 17:20.57 | jelly-home | one distro* |
| 17:20.59 | brrrzz | @jelly-home That may work. I can set up an ssh tunnel with -b |
| 17:21.01 | abrotman | pirret: not really, this is #debian, we support Debian. Pretty clear |
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| 17:21.08 | conjure | debian or ubuntu? |
| 17:21.19 | Razkin | conjure: I'd recommend Ubuntu, if you are a beginner. |
| 17:21.20 | jelly-home | conjure: be nice. |
| 17:21.29 | conjure | i am nice, jelly-home. |
| 17:22.03 | conjure | FUCK YOU JELLY_HOME, I WILL FUCKING RAPE UR MOTHER, I WILL RAPE ALL OF U, FUCK U ALL FUCKERS!!!!! FUCK DEBIAN, WINDOWS FOR LIFE |
| 17:22.10 | pirret | :D |
| 17:22.11 | Razkin | well uh |
| 17:22.12 | pirret | right |
| 17:22.16 | Razkin | that escalated quickly |
| 17:22.20 | Razkin | pretty quickly, infact. |
| 17:22.24 | STMelon | !ops |
| 17:22.25 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 17:22.25 | jelly-home | has a nose for those |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | comment in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:22.29 | Razkin | pirret: did you consider the quickiness of his escalation? |
| 17:22.35 | arthurfiggis | i'm glad the trolls are stupid enough to register nicks now, it makes them easier to ignore :) |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | STMelon: i'm sitting right here |
| 17:22.36 | Razkin | STMelon: he has left, you're late. |
| 17:22.39 | Zvmdyv | sudo |
| 17:22.48 | STMelon | i noticed abrotman |
| 17:22.50 | Razkin | abrotman: you're slow as a snail. he went out. |
| 17:22.51 | STMelon | sorry |
| 17:23.00 | abrotman | Razkin: I can see that .. did you see me take any action ? |
| 17:23.07 | abrotman | Razkin: you're a bit slow .. |
| 17:23.15 | Razkin | abrotman: we were all ready to witness the banhammer upon tha roll. |
| 17:23.19 | Razkin | ok abroman |
| 17:23.19 | jelly-home | STMelon: srsly tho, it started with the "debianlol" nickname... that was a red flag right away |
| 17:23.23 | Razkin | abrotman* |
| 17:23.32 | abrotman | ah, keyboard slobber |
| 17:23.50 | Razkin | are you feeling lonely, abrotman? |
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| 17:23.59 | Razkin | jelly-home can provide you some quality-cuddles for sure. |
| 17:24.04 | abrotman | Razkin: do you need help with Debian? |
| 17:24.09 | Razkin | yes, abrotman. |
| 17:24.14 | Razkin | are you aware of fsck? |
| 17:24.20 | abrotman | ... |
| 17:24.23 | STMelon | yea trolls are pretty easy to spot on IRC these days |
| 17:24.23 | fishduck | jelly-home: sooner or later, some debian user will ask about dpkg. Also, a quick answer to such a channel is a lot less wasted than a discussion about what you can and can't say. Just saying :). Well, I resign from this discussion now. |
| 17:24.26 | Razkin | after a power-outage, when my laptop battery dies out. |
| 17:24.31 | Razkin | (and I am not trolling) |
| 17:24.39 | abrotman | that's not a power outage, that's a user problem |
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| 17:24.48 | Razkin | some guy on here was telling me earlier that it harms your filesystem |
| 17:24.52 | arthurfiggis | STMelon: completely uncreative, they tell you they're not trolling just to make suer you don't miss it :P |
| 17:24.53 | Razkin | abrotman: please be a lil serious. |
| 17:24.56 | STMelon | and arthurfiggis you can ingore *!*@IP.IP* OR *!*@IP* |
| 17:24.56 | abrotman | it *can* |
| 17:25.00 | Razkin | does running fsck -f fix it? |
| 17:25.09 | STMelon | I never ignore by a nickname alone |
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| 17:25.15 | abrotman | Razkin: depends how badly your filesystem is damaged if it can be fixed by fsck |
| 17:25.21 | STMelon | that lets them be able to change their nickname and poof the ignore is useless |
| 17:25.26 | abrotman | Razkin: if your data is important, you'll always have backups |
| 17:25.34 | Razkin | abrotman: how can I see, if a filesystem took any damage. |
| 17:25.39 | abrotman | (regardless of OS) |
| 17:25.49 | abrotman | Razkin: run the fsck, it should be able to tell you |
| 17:25.56 | Razkin | I noticed a zram0 error in my dmesg earlier. |
| 17:26.14 | Razkin | [ 37.943612] Buffer I/O error on device zram0, logical block 1323680 |
| 17:26.20 | abrotman | okay, what's zram0? |
| 17:26.34 | Razkin | abrotman: idk. |
| 17:26.39 | STMelon | gonna pm ya just a quick sec jelly-home |
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| 17:27.55 | abrotman | Razkin: okay, figure it out, then we'll continue |
| 17:28.24 | Razkin | abrotman: figure it out for me, I am lazy. |
| 17:28.29 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:28.32 | Razkin | abrotman: alright, when you're done researching, hit me up. |
| 17:28.35 | Razkin | yes, abrotman. |
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| 17:28.40 | Razkin | abrotman: now get to work. |
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| 17:28.46 | abrotman | you'll have plenty of time, good luck |
| 17:28.50 | pirret | lolo |
| 17:29.28 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: "conjure" is still on server as "prymeroot" just in case you want to pre-emptively end some basement dweller's fun today :P |
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| 17:30.08 | abrotman | pirret: it's not funny |
| 17:30.23 | pirret | who are you to say what i think is funny or not? :( |
| 17:30.30 | pirret | no offense |
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| 17:30.43 | conjured | I WILL FUCK UR MOTHER LIKE JIMMY SAVILLE LOL |
| 17:30.53 | pirret | wtf? |
| 17:31.01 | STMelon | conjured (~zodiac@holmes.bpiotrowski.pl |
| 17:31.02 | abrotman | pirret: comment elsewhere please |
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| 17:31.34 | STMelon | ok i must be slow today |
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| 17:31.54 | arthurfiggis | lines like that are apparently prymeroot's trademark of "anarchy" |
| 17:32.07 | arthurfiggis | i could have sworn it was a sign of lead poisoning but whatever suits you :) |
| 17:32.13 | abrotman | please comment elsewhere, thank you |
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| 17:32.48 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: yes, sorry about that |
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| 17:37.03 | whonik | цу |
| 17:37.07 | whonik | hi all |
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| 17:37.27 | jelly-home | cu, whonik |
| 17:37.45 | whonik | :) |
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| 17:40.23 | arthurfiggis | on the subject of actual debian questions :) i noticed that ufw is in the repositories for wheezy...i gave it a try but my connection would drop periodically when i used it in the same fashion that i did in ubuntu previously :( i suppose it could just literally be blocking everything by default and causing problems? or is there something better to use under debian specifically? |
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| 17:42.38 | jhutchins_wk | !ufw |
| 17:42.38 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
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| 17:43.43 | arthurfiggis | jhutchins_wk: that's the one, yes :) it worked well in ubuntu but i figured i'd check and see about people here using it under debian, since i seemed to be having issues |
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| 17:50.31 | abrotman | arthurfiggis: personally, I manage mine with vi |
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| 17:51.02 | halim | hello again, i just installed the nvidia drivers on my laptop, but cinnamon isn't able to start. i get the error message: "cinnamon crashed, would you like to restart?", when i click the yes button, the same message appears again |
| 17:51.13 | halim | couldn't find anything on the web |
| 17:51.28 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: i assume using iptables itself in some fashion? :) i was looking at the debian firewall wiki page, if there's an easy way to save an iptables configuration across reboots i could just use that |
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| 17:51.41 | nettezz | halim: don't search web but investigate crash himself rather (logs, some message, whatever ) |
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| 17:52.18 | halim | ok, where do i begin to look for log messages from cinnamon? |
| 17:52.20 | abrotman | arthurfiggis: iptables-save |
| 17:52.28 | abrotman | halim: in which version of Linux? |
| 17:52.29 | halim | funny thing is that xfce seems to work fine |
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| 17:52.50 | halim | Linux debian-rc530 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:53.00 | AleksEst | xfce is goint to be default in deb8 |
| 17:53.05 | abrotman | halim: you should ask the correct channel for your distro, this isn't it |
| 17:53.15 | abrotman | AleksEst: no one cares? |
| 17:53.19 | nettezz | halim: check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.{0,1}.log |
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| 17:53.43 | AleksEst | abrotman who use deb for desktop at all? |
| 17:53.47 | abrotman | me |
| 17:54.03 | halim | abrotman, i'm using debian, why isn't this the correct channel? |
| 17:54.08 | AleksEst | what u use on servers then? |
| 17:54.14 | abrotman | halim: Cinnamon isn't in wheezy, use the correct hcannel |
| 17:54.15 | nettezz | halim: ask, ignore abrotman |
| 17:54.30 | abrotman | no, halim should go to the correct channel, this isn't it |
| 17:54.31 | halim | i see |
| 17:54.39 | abrotman | AleksEst: Debian also |
| 17:54.40 | STMelon | cinnamon is a linux mint project, they will know more about cinnamon than any1 |
| 17:54.43 | STMelon | spotchat irc |
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| 17:57.06 | halim | is there a way to check whether the nvidia drivers were installed correctly? |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | halim: ask the Mint people, this channel is for Debian |
| 17:57.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell halim about lmde |
| 17:58.12 | halim | abrotman, thank you. i will try my luck there if you guys can't help out |
| 17:58.22 | abrotman | we won't, it's not Debian |
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| 17:58.56 | halim | no disrespect, but you won't. there are other people here as well |
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| 17:59.27 | abrotman | halim: this channel is for Debian support, not LMDE support, you were asked multiple times to go to the correct channel. If the LMDE people cannot help you, perhaps try ##linux |
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| 18:00.15 | arthurfiggis | hmm...i need to figure out what i installed last time for kde that gave me the option to configure gtk themes :) gtk apps are not looking well |
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| 18:01.05 | AleksEst | could some one advice some sort of articles/sites that related to cluster building/vrrp/keepalived whtaever? |
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| 18:01.23 | abrotman | AleksEst: you mean a HA cluster? |
| 18:01.35 | alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! So I'm feed up with Ubuntu, is there an easy way to migrate upstream to Debian or is a reinstall mandatory? |
| 18:01.38 | nettezz | abrotman: are you crazy ? why did you +q that guy ? |
| 18:01.43 | nettezz | wt* |
| 18:01.48 | nettezz | !ops |
| 18:01.49 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 18:01.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:01.56 | AleksEst | abrotman I want to know how to build cluster without single point of failure, can`t just call it HA |
| 18:01.57 | abrotman | nettezz: he was offtopic here |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | alex_mayorga: reinstall is mandatory, you'll end up with a horribly mixed system if ytou don't |
| 18:02.23 | nettezz | abrotman: are you crazy ? who are you .. i know some devian guys .. well, this is worth to report .. you should not have +o at all |
| 18:02.43 | abrotman | nettezz: I know some Debian guys too .. this channel does not support LMDE |
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| 18:02.44 | alex_mayorga | abrotman: I see, thanks on confirming. So I guess I've got myself a weekend project =) |
| 18:02.48 | abrotman | nettezz: if you don't like it, you can /part |
| 18:02.50 | Quantum` | New Testing install, I am continually getting, "Install these packages without verification?" Yep, reinstalled debian-archive-keyring. |
| 18:03.04 | abrotman | Quantum`: did you apt-get update after installing it ? |
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| 18:03.21 | alex_mayorga | abrotman: Would the Debian install detect the existing Ubuntu install and dutyfully migrate my stuff? |
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| 18:03.27 | dpecka | Antoine: |
| 18:03.31 | Quantum` | abrotman: N, rather not when I can't verify anything... |
| 18:03.53 | abrotman | Quantum`: run "apt-get update;aptitude update" |
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| 18:04.01 | abrotman | alex_mayorga: which "stuff"? |
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| 18:04.13 | dpecka | abrotman: well, if you think so .. we'll see .. i'm here on irc several years, operator in some chans but i've never seen such like petty dictatorship |
| 18:04.40 | Quantum` | abrotman: If this is a common problem and this is the solution, it's very unsecure. I wish we knew a more surgical approach. |
| 18:04.44 | ScottE_ | alex_mayorga: It's not all that painful to switch distros, especially between apt based ones. Just back everything up to an external drive, save output of "dpkg -l" somewhere, and reinstall from scratch. It's work, but not too bad. Just make sure your backups are good. |
| 18:04.45 | abrotman | dpecka: This channel supports *Debian*, not things based on Debian. Again, if you don't like that, you can /part |
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| 18:05.09 | abrotman | Quantum`: if you pastebin the error, we'll have a beter idea of how common this is |
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| 18:05.33 | alex_mayorga | ScottE_: Good tips, thanks! But I do despise backing up =( |
| 18:05.37 | AleksEst | Quantum` this one -> [ ] debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso 2013-11-04 07:26 647M ? |
| 18:05.47 | Quantum` | abrotman: It's simply "Install these packages without verification?" |
| 18:06.00 | alex_mayorga | ScottE_: What's your debian based backup tool of choice? |
| 18:06.00 | abrotman | Quantum`: if you pastebin the whole thing, we can read it |
| 18:06.22 | ScottE_ | alex_mayorga: tar, for when I've done total reinstalls |
| 18:06.28 | Quantum` | AleksEst: That's only the first CD. I'm already installed. |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | dpecka: please don't PM me, there's no need. You're wrong, and it's not up for debate. This channel supports *Debian*, not things based on Debian |
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| 18:07.17 | Quantum` | AleksEst: I used the Testing netinstall CD in graphical expert mode. |
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| 18:07.30 | ScottE_ | alex_mayorga: And you really only need /home, /usr/local (if you manually put stuff there), /opt (again, if you put stuff there manually), and /etc (for reference) |
| 18:07.44 | Quantum` | amd64. |
| 18:07.58 | abrotman | is guessing an Ubuntu user probably didn't put stuff in /usr/local/, and there's a good chance if it's compiled it won't work on Debian anyway |
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| 18:09.09 | abrotman | dpecka: if you'd like to discuss this further, please use #debian-offtopic, thank you |
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| 18:09.42 | alex_mayorga | thinks /home would do |
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| 18:09.52 | abrotman | probably |
| 18:09.53 | Quantum` | abrotman: https://pastee.org/bzrcm |
| 18:09.54 | abrotman | if you even need that |
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| 18:10.01 | LordDeath | is TLSv1 the max. version on debian6 and apache2? |
| 18:10.08 | dpecka | abrotman: easy man .. writing email already .. i'm discussed, i've never seen something like this .. we in #suse kicked ops for lesser things |
| 18:10.23 | dpecka | s/dicsussed/disguisted/ |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | dpecka: Okay, I'm writing an email too! |
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| 18:10.45 | jaami | what editor is better than nano? |
| 18:10.46 | ScottE_ | alex_mayorga: fair enough, I'm just passing along what I do, which may or may not be what you need to do :-) |
| 18:10.46 | abrotman | dpecka: I'm going to report you! |
| 18:10.47 | alex_mayorga | Next (perhaps silly) question: how unstable or broken is unstable? =) |
| 18:10.49 | Quantum` | dpecka: There's a channel for your wm. |
| 18:10.59 | abrotman | jaami: nano is the easiest for folks new to Linux |
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| 18:11.05 | alex_mayorga | ScottE_: Much appreciated, thanks! |
| 18:11.08 | abrotman | Quantum`: and if you "apt-get update;aptitude update" ? |
| 18:11.14 | Cyis | dpecka: as the old saying goes "it's better to be pissed off than pissed on" so get over it and move on |
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| 18:11.43 | Quantum` | abrotman: Well that's extremely unsecure and I'd like to fix this surgically if we know the cause. |
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| 18:11.52 | abrotman | reports dpecka to the irc police in eastern europe |
| 18:11.53 | ScottE_ | alex_mayorga: I would stay away from sid (unstable). I'm running jessie (testing) on 4 systems and it's been very stable |
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| 18:12.19 | Quantum` | Ya, Testing. |
| 18:12.29 | abrotman | ScottE_: not recommended at this point |
| 18:12.34 | alex_mayorga | ScottE_: I see, I've been ridding Ubuntu alphas with no major pains for the past couple of years IIRC |
| 18:12.38 | abrotman | Testing is about to go through some transitions, it could get ugly |
| 18:12.43 | Cyis | abrotman: better watch it... he's a "letter" writer *snark* |
| 18:13.05 | ScottE_ | abrotman: What sort of transitions? |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 18:13.12 | ScottE_ | Ah, thanks |
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| 18:13.21 | jaami | okao, how i can manage contants of /var/www with file manager? |
| 18:13.30 | abrotman | jaami: please don't do that .. |
| 18:13.40 | Cyis | dpecka: don't bother PMing me... if you're looking for sympathy check in the dictionary between shit and syphilis |
| 18:13.44 | Quantum` | Wow, Debian's package management system comes with broken security. |
| 18:14.00 | Cyis | and the /ignore goes in place |
| 18:14.05 | AleksEst | Is it possible to configure ZFS during install of testing release or its broken? |
| 18:14.06 | dpecka | /msg Cyis sorryt for PM, this one and over .. i've NEVER witnessed to the example of such a rude petty dictatorship and abuse of +o, he +q a guy asking why foo crashes on his debian |
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| 18:14.37 | Quantum` | AleksEst: You have to compile zfs after install. |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | dpecka: I've told you, the original guy was offtopic, this channel supports Debian. He was NOT using Debian. This is the channel policy. If you do not like this, please /part this channel. |
| 18:14.55 | Quantum` | Don't try dkms with it, as spl must always come first. |
| 18:15.01 | Quantum` | I've filed a bug. |
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| 18:15.54 | colonolGron | does anybody use debian on a macbook retina? |
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| 18:16.49 | jordanm | dpecka: his "foo" isn't in debian and it wasn't on his debian |
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| 18:20.33 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Is there a formal description of the fields in a description header -- sorry I lack a better word-- of an apt package? |
| 18:20.52 | abrotman | MouseTheLuckyDog: in the policy manual |
| 18:21.22 | tremon | MouseTheLuckyDog: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html |
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| 18:22.45 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Thank you both. |
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| 18:26.32 | AleksEst | i can use any packages in testing, everything works ok, apache 2.4, php 5.5 out of the box, nice |
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| 18:27.59 | AleksEst | mysql is still 5.5, and looks like its not percona/mariadb |
| 18:28.03 | arthurfiggis | hmm...installed the qtcurve meta-package and everything that includes, but still nothing :( does anyone know of what package needs to be installed in wheezy for there to be an option in kde to configure gtk themes? or is there one? |
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| 18:28.50 | jordanm | arthurfiggis: kde-config-gtk-style |
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| 18:32.55 | arthurfiggis | jordanm: ahh, that appears to have done the trick, thanks...my eyes aren't good enough to read fonts that small any more :) |
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| 18:37.07 | flip214 | Just did a dist-upgrade, got 82 new packages, and during that my KDE session (via KDM) was restarted. Which package should I report the bug against? |
| 18:38.09 | flip214 | kdelibs-bin, libc-bin, libkdesu5,.... |
| 18:38.12 | flip214 | any ideas? |
| 18:38.44 | mumpitze1 | you god logged out forcefully? |
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| 18:39.06 | tremon | flip214: nothing if you allowed libc to restart kdm. On libc upgrade, you get asked the question which libc-depending services should be restarted |
| 18:39.46 | flip214 | mumpitze1: yes., |
| 18:40.00 | flip214 | tremon: I don't believe I've ever allowed that on this machine. |
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| 18:40.20 | flip214 | "debconf-show libc-bin" doesn't show anything, what should I try? |
| 18:40.32 | tremon | I seriously hope it's not a debconf question that saves the current answer for next time |
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| 18:41.34 | flip214 | "dpkg-reconfigure libc-bin" doesn't ask either. |
| 18:42.09 | mumpitze1 | flip214: libc-bin is not your libc |
| 18:42.25 | mumpitze1 | and yes libc upgrades always ask if they are allowed to restart daemons |
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| 18:42.50 | flip214 | mumpitze1: no other package with libc in the name was upgraded. |
| 18:43.00 | flip214 | Tell you what, I'll just paste the list ... |
| 18:43.01 | mumpitze1 | ,depends libc-bin |
| 18:43.02 | judd | Package libc-bin in wheezy/i386 -- depends: . |
| 18:43.33 | tremon | theoretically, any number of packages could have triggered a service restart (any pam package, kdm itself, libc) but none of them should. Unless you can isolate which package it was, filing a bugreport will be of no help |
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| 18:44.51 | flip214 | http://paste.lisp.org/display/139837 |
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| 18:46.27 | flip214 | perhaps the "most important" init scripts (like kdm ;) should save a "ps fax" in /var/log .... |
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| 18:48.24 | tremon | flip214: scan /var/log/apt/term.log to see what happened |
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| 18:49.38 | flip214 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:51.00 | flip214 | tremon: no remark about the restart |
| 18:52.01 | flip214 | there was an X window with some message like "can't find xsmserver" for a second or two, before I got logged out |
| 18:52.47 | LordDeath | about this upstart, systemd etc. discussion: what is the drawback of the current init solution? |
| 18:53.20 | tremon | I think it's likely some kde component crashed then, maybe there's something in .xsession-errors (.old) or in the X log |
| 18:53.49 | tremon | fyi, check debconf-show libc6 to see which services can be restarted automatically |
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| 18:54.17 | flip214 | tremon: no xsession-errors.old file, current starts with this session |
| 18:54.35 | flip214 | ouch |
| 18:54.36 | flip214 | $ debconf-show libc6 |
| 18:54.36 | flip214 | * libraries/restart-without-asking: true glibc/restart-failed: |
| 18:54.36 | flip214 | * glibc/upgrade: true |
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| 18:54.43 | tremon | ouch indeed |
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| 18:55.04 | flip214 | sorry. |
| 18:55.08 | flip214 | * libraries/restart-without-asking: true |
| 18:55.12 | flip214 | * glibc/restart-services: ssh postfix openbsd-inetd cups cron atd apache2 |
| 18:55.14 | flip214 | no kdm in that list |
| 18:56.04 | flip214 | no segfault message in /var/log/messages ... |
| 18:56.30 | flip214 | well, at least one of these packages might need a pre-inst warning to log out before... |
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| 18:57.06 | tremon | indeed, so that wouldn't have caused it. Not much we can do without knowing which component failed. ksmserver is kde's session manager, so that would be the most likely suspect. |
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| 18:58.01 | slobber | aboman, yes |
| 18:58.08 | flip214 | thanks a lot for your help! |
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| 18:58.52 | abrotman | looks at slobber |
| 18:59.05 | slobber | [09:23:32] <abrotman> ah, keyboard slobber |
| 18:59.21 | abrotman | slobber: sorry |
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| 18:59.43 | flip214 | tremon: last says I was logged out at 19:32:31, so that cuts the package list down considerably. |
| 18:59.43 | slobber | aboman, not a problem |
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| 19:00.47 | flip214 | tremon: that would leave only man-db, shared-mime-info, and perhaps hicolor-icon-theme |
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| 19:01.20 | flip214 | Ah, I grepped for installed packages ... perhaps it unpacking one that did the damage |
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| 19:02.14 | tremon | flip214: if any of those packages triggered the crash, the bug is in ksmserver itself. Those packages contain only data files |
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| 19:04.25 | flip214 | tremon: http://paste.lisp.org/display/139837#1 has an updated list |
| 19:04.35 | flip214 | Well, I'll be off. Thanks a lot for your help!! |
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| 19:07.33 | halim | hello |
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| 19:07.43 | bezoka | [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver |
| 19:07.50 | bezoka | bumblebee - why? ;< |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | halim: please don't, we've been over this |
| 19:08.02 | halim | abrotman, what exactly? |
| 19:08.08 | abrotman | halim: could you install Debian, and reproduce this? |
| 19:08.09 | halim | i was about to ask how to uninstall the nvidia drivers |
| 19:08.16 | abrotman | how did you install them? |
| 19:08.28 | halim | using the .run file from their web page |
| 19:08.36 | abrotman | right, ask #nvidia, that's not hte Debian method |
| 19:08.41 | halim | ok |
| 19:08.46 | abrotman | no wonder your system is completely broken |
| 19:08.52 | halim | what do you mean? |
| 19:09.12 | halim | everything is working fine, it's just the damn nvidia drivers are weird |
| 19:09.24 | halim | never had problems like these on my old laptop with an amd chip |
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| 19:11.23 | abrotman | so ask #nvidia how to remove the .run |
| 19:11.30 | halim | i'm on it |
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| 19:18.09 | halim | abrotman, everything is working fine again. thank you a lot for your help and patience :D |
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| 19:26.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: XDDDola is the same thing as wepou |
| 19:27.14 | jelly-home | wonders whether to !ops just for extra annoyance |
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| 19:31.00 | drasko_ | Hi all, all of the sudden mu Asus started booting in Windows only, skipping the Grub menu. Where to look? |
| 19:31.23 | sjamaan | I think Windows update will sometimes overwrite the bootcode |
| 19:31.56 | sjamaan | Best to pop in an live/rescue/install CD and rerun grub |
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| 19:33.50 | drasko_ | sjamaan, I do not have it at hand. And my machine does not have CD reader. What to fetch from net for recovey? Something that I can put on USB key? |
| 19:34.24 | sjamaan | You can dd the CD to a USB key as well, most BIOSes can boot from USBs containing a CD image |
| 19:34.26 | abrotman | hi |
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| 19:35.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: can't trigger it ? |
| 19:35.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: no need when you're here! |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | not even the same IP .. |
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| 19:36.27 | jelly-home | same privmsg tho |
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| 19:37.27 | drasko_ | sjamaan, what is the smallest Debian image I should get for this purpose (can you please point me out with link)? |
| 19:37.54 | sjamaan | Sorry, I don't know right away |
| 19:38.01 | sjamaan | I'm a Debian newbie myself :) |
| 19:38.14 | tremon | drasko_: just use the rnetinst cd |
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| 19:38.43 | tremon | minus the r- |
| 19:39.12 | drasko_ | netinst from here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
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| 19:39.25 | abrotman | uh .. no? |
| 19:39.29 | abrotman | don't use that one |
| 19:39.54 | drasko_ | Seems like 230MB image :http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:40.01 | abrotman | no .. |
| 19:40.04 | abrotman | don't use that one |
| 19:40.13 | drasko_ | abrotman, which one to use then? |
| 19:40.22 | tremon | no from here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 19:40.29 | abrotman | tremon: thank you |
| 19:40.30 | Lorcatar | Hello Debian |
| 19:40.39 | abrotman | drasko_: the one yu're linking to could be very broken |
| 19:41.00 | drasko_ | aboman, thanks for warning |
| 19:41.05 | drasko_ | which one to look for? |
| 19:41.11 | drasko_ | I just need to repair Grub |
| 19:41.23 | drasko_ | overwritten by Windows update |
| 19:41.27 | drasko_ | on uEFI |
| 19:42.04 | sjamaan | Anything that gives a useful shell should be enough. Or maybe even anything that boots with grub itself, so you can load into your main system and reinstall grub from there |
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| 19:42.54 | drasko_ | sjamaan, can somebody please point me tothis "something" |
| 19:43.10 | drasko_ | some small image of debian that I can put to USB key and boot |
| 19:43.16 | drasko_ | then install grub from it |
| 19:43.45 | tremon | actually, if it's uefi you can even fetch shellx64.efi from somewhere and use your bios to boot to that shell, and boot grubx64.efi from there. or just copy grubx64.efi to bootx64.efi, the ESP is readable in windows too |
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| 19:43.55 | arthurfiggis | you can get to a direct link within three clicks off the main site :) http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:44.13 | arthurfiggis | (assuming what you want is wheezy and amd64 for the arch) |
| 19:44.15 | drasko_ | arthurfiggis, abrotman told that this one os broken |
| 19:44.19 | drasko_ | *is |
| 19:44.52 | arthurfiggis | drasko_: oh no, the one that you linked to was a daily build, which means it's generated literally every day...and could be unstable :) that -should- be the net install for the latest stable version, amd64 arch |
| 19:45.03 | drasko_ | OK, thanks |
| 19:45.07 | arthurfiggis | drasko_: it's a bit confusing though so it's easy to get the wrong one, no problem! :) |
| 19:46.16 | drasko_ | tremon, this seems like perfect idea |
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| 19:56.59 | fossxplorer | Does anyone know what the '4' indicates in the package libmcrypt4? |
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| 20:01.58 | jhutchins_wk | fossxplorer: More than three but less than five? |
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| 20:06.16 | fossxplorer | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmcrypt4 says 2.5, but it's for sid |
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| 20:06.54 | jelly-home | fossxplorer: not much; names of library packages are weird. |
| 20:07.08 | fossxplorer | I have no knowledge about Debian versions though as i'm involved in a FOSS project to find CentOS packages |
| 20:07.17 | jelly-home | what's your actual goal? |
| 20:07.30 | Cyis | fossxplorer: most likely the SO version used internally which might not be the same as the release version of the software |
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| 20:08.36 | arthurfiggis | fossxplorer: yes, the 4 at the end of the package name seems unrelated to the major version number in this case...but i've seen that a lot, sometimes it's just to avoid conflicts with a similarly named library from a previous/future version of a distro or derivatives of it |
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| 20:09.23 | fossxplorer | ok thanks guys |
| 20:09.24 | arthurfiggis | although if it's a source of real cognitive dissonance i suppose you could ask the maintainer what it's about :) risko@debian.org according to synaptic |
| 20:09.29 | Cyis | arthurfiggis: typically it's increased when ABI compatibility is no longer maintained |
| 20:10.17 | arthurfiggis | Cyis: ahh okay...that would make sense, i was just browsing through the changelog out of curiousity and couldn't figure out where they'd get the number either :) |
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| 20:10.56 | fossxplorer | no, i guess it's not necessary at this stage as i'm pretty sure the CentOS package is 'libmcrypt' and it's version 2.5.8 |
| 20:11.14 | fossxplorer | arthurfiggis ^ , but thanks :) |
| 20:11.24 | jhutchins_wk | Frequently a number within a name means something other than a version number - ie you might have libfoo, libfoo1, libfoo2 all at the same time, with different versions. |
| 20:12.03 | phogg | jhutchins_wk: I thought that, but as far back as I can search libmcrypt has had a 4, never another number |
| 20:12.24 | jhutchins_wk | ,maint libmcrypt4 |
| 20:12.25 | judd | Package libmcrypt version 2.5.8-3.1 was uploaded by Steve Langasek on 2009-08-17, last changed by Steve Langasek and maintained by RISKO Gergely. (non-maintainer upload) |
| 20:12.43 | phogg | jhutchins_wk: I looked back as far as 2005 |
| 20:13.00 | phogg | so perhaps much earlier versions had other numbers, but they're long gone |
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| 20:13.55 | verysoftoiletppr | hello |
| 20:13.58 | verysoftoiletppr | how is everyone? |
| 20:14.37 | mumpitze1 | verysoftoiletppr: can we help you with a debian support problem? |
| 20:14.56 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitze1: do you know if wheezy repos have the openSSH patch already? |
| 20:15.02 | abrotman | which patch? |
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| 20:15.16 | abrotman | fossxplorer: it could be ABi version, or the fourth implementionat |
| 20:15.17 | verysoftoiletppr | abrotman: http://www.openssh.com/txt/gcmrekey.adv |
| 20:15.19 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: advisroy for ssh today |
| 20:15.22 | abrotman | wow .. not even close to a real word |
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| 20:15.47 | abrotman | verysoftoiletppr: are you sure the Debian version is vulnerable ? |
| 20:16.05 | abrotman | verysoftoiletppr: says it has to be built a certain wat |
| 20:16.07 | abrotman | way |
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| 20:17.04 | jelly-home | wat? |
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| 20:19.01 | nezZario | Eh, ok |
| 20:19.06 | nezZario | is the debootstrap command unique to debian? |
| 20:19.09 | abrotman | no |
| 20:19.33 | nezZario | I have a debian host machine, and want to install a centos box (xen).. i'm really confused on who to ask for just 5 cents of direction here |
| 20:19.43 | nezZario | I can do a manual install but I've became really spoiled with xen-create-image |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 20:20.36 | jelly-home | nezZario: debootstrap originates from debian, but ubuntu uses it as well, possibly other derivatives |
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| 20:20.48 | tremon | verysoftoiletppr: this reads as if sshd is only vulnerable after a succesful key exchange. Am I correct in assuming that the vulnerability does not allow authentication nor exploitation without a valid key? |
| 20:20.49 | nezZario | ok so it's unlikely to find it on rhel |
| 20:20.55 | nezZario | or on debian FOR rhel |
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| 20:21.30 | nezZario | actually yeah, i just found some docs that say no |
| 20:21.38 | verysoftoiletppr | tremon: not sure |
| 20:21.44 | verysoftoiletppr | abrotman: Debian 7 (wheezy) -- OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 (Supports AES-GCM) |
| 20:22.04 | verysoftoiletppr | but it doesn't seem to be enabled by devault on the ssh config |
| 20:22.07 | verysoftoiletppr | default |
| 20:22.09 | arthurfiggis | verysoftoiletppr: well the vulnerability mentions openssh 6.2 and 6.3 specifically, i'd say no |
| 20:22.27 | verysoftoiletppr | arthurfiggis: 6.2 is what I have installed |
| 20:23.15 | verysoftoiletppr | tests to some distros: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6695500 |
| 20:24.37 | verysoftoiletppr | It isn't clear that only 6.2 and 6.3 are affected, I think it refers to the versions that patch is compatible with |
| 20:24.40 | arthurfiggis | verysoftoiletppr: from what i can tell that list indicates that the version wheezy includes isn't vulnerable? :) if you're building against a version of your own then hard to say |
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| 20:25.16 | verysoftoiletppr | Debian Wheezy openssh Supports AES-GCM |
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| 20:28.13 | Blackvel | hey all...a very basic / noob question....when I have configured two dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf of my host provider and I would like postfix MTA to use a RBL server...do I have to put the two dns servers for the lookup process in the web register form and will they be enough? how do I know how many dns servers the dns query will be propagated? are there really just those two I have in my |
| 20:28.13 | Blackvel | /etc/resolv.conf? are there more? may the provider load-balance/distribute? sorry its really noob q...never thought about it |
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| 21:08.31 | arthurfiggis | verysoftoiletppr: sorry, i was trying to get a perl script running properly in another window...you're right, the advisory isn't entirely clear so i'm not sure if that indicates wheezy is vulnerable or not...from reading the advisory i'd say no, but as you say it's not clear...best to keep an eye on the security advisories on the front page |
| 21:08.45 | arthurfiggis | if there's an openssh-server vulnerability i would imagine it'd be patched soon in either case :) |
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| 21:15.21 | peterrooney | Crazy situation on siblings computer. Before and after booting, and GDM login, pretty much everything seems normal. But switching to a virtual console shows a key of some kind or another stuck ("[[P" repeatedly). Console login is, of course, impossible. Booting into single-user mode has same issue. Keyboard works fine in grub and X. Ideas on where to look for clues as to why keyboard would appear stuck to console, but not to X |
| 21:15.22 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.22 | abrotman | tried unplugging the keyboard to make it stop ? |
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| 21:21.45 | peterrooney | abrotman: yes, but plugging it back in again made it resume. |
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| 21:24.49 | peterrooney | Control-alt-F7 still works, |
| 21:25.44 | mordocai | Hello. I have a large Maildir directory (6.6G) and have noticed that I experience pretty big slowdowns that seem to be due to my courier IMAP server maxing out CPU. I have a VPS and don't really have the money to upgrade it. Any recommendations to speed up my mail access? |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | mordocai: folders |
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| 21:27.03 | schreber | Is anyone familiar with a guide for setting up a thin client-esque system/service using Debian stable/testing? |
| 21:27.17 | abrotman | peterrooney: anything in your dmesg? |
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| 21:28.21 | mordocai | abrotman: Yeah, most of my stuff is in folders. However, many folders are 1000 or more messages and those are all slow. The ~100 message folders are fast. I may just be running into problems I can't fix without better hardware... |
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| 21:28.45 | mordocai | abrotman: I have a mailing list folder (for libreoffice) that has over 13000 messages and I pretty much just can't look at it at all. |
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| 21:29.41 | peterrooney | abrotman: No. I didn't even think to look there; ordinarily I look at such things in console and realize now I didn't even think of using an xterm. Mock me at your leisure. |
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| 21:29.48 | abrotman | mordocai: so unsubscribe? |
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| 21:30.40 | mordocai | abrotman: Definetely a possibility, unfortunately I'm actually interested in it and would like it work. I take it there aren't many technical solutions then? |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | mordocai: more folders :) |
| 21:31.41 | mordocai | abrotman: Lol, yeah. I could make a cron job that moves things into archive folders and/or compressed folders once they reach a certain size I suppose. |
| 21:32.32 | ompaul | mordocai: there is something you can do it does involve the more folders but you could also consider that 13k messages in a folder is a tad excessive - so you could file the contents of each folder in year folders |
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| 21:32.57 | mordocai | ompaul: True |
| 21:33.00 | mordocai | ompaul: That may help. |
| 21:33.05 | ompaul | mordocai: start with the rather simple task of choosing a folder to work on your OOO/LO one looks good |
| 21:33.12 | ws2k3 | hello i'm having an issue i have a .db(sqlite) and i wanne convert and import that into mysql anyone any advice on how this can be done |
| 21:33.39 | mordocai | ws2k3: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18671/quick-easy-way-to-migrate-sqlite3-to-mysql |
| 21:33.47 | ompaul | mordocai: based on the assumption you have the same directory structure as I have in the office use your client to create the years start two three |
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| 21:34.00 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 21:34.00 | ompaul | mordocai: two or three and 2013 |
| 21:34.08 | ws2k3 | mordocai i already readed and tryed |
| 21:34.14 | ws2k3 | only the issue i have is that my db is 22 gb |
| 21:34.15 | ompaul | mordocai: the others are old and very old |
| 21:34.32 | mordocai | ompaul: Got it. Yeah, something similar to that should work. |
| 21:34.46 | ws2k3 | i didnt find a tool that can convert such a big database |
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| 21:34.58 | ompaul | mordocai: when done with that - use shell to move the files based on date |
| 21:35.08 | ompaul | mordocai: I think that is called a win :) |
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| 21:35.34 | ompaul | mordocai: note I used to move stuff like mv 131* and so on |
| 21:35.38 | ompaul | then tune later |
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| 21:36.29 | ws2k3 | anyone? |
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| 21:37.09 | ompaul | ws2k3: the question is what is your data schema, do you have a map of it, can you create blank tables to accept data broken down by some logic, then write a little "I suck from X and blow into Y" thus both remain useful but no additional writes while in motion |
| 21:37.38 | ompaul | ws2k3: treat the data as chunks you can drop and start then fill the back end logic later |
| 21:37.49 | ws2k3 | the database is pretty sinple i think like 3 table's |
| 21:38.23 | ompaul | ws2k3: with 22Gigs in it .. you might want to break that down a little or else you are going to have more fun than I can think would be ever possible |
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| 21:39.19 | ompaul | ws2k3: with knowledge of the internals one could / should be able to write something sensible |
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| 21:40.53 | abrotman | from one bad DB to another? :) |
| 21:41.09 | Rug | I am in a position at my work that I might be able to offer storage space and bandwidth to the Debian org. to use as an official mirror. What does the project need in terms of space and bandwidth? |
| 21:41.46 | ompaul | abrotman: well it would work getting it into postgresql |
| 21:42.07 | ompaul | but as I said chunks rather than just dropping from the sky --- 22 gigs of data is not trivial |
| 21:42.15 | ompaul | it might require a little testing |
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| 21:42.48 | zophy | uses the Capt'n Crunch Linuix Distro |
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| 21:43.04 | ompaul | zophy: what do you do, whistle while it boots? |
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| 21:43.10 | zophy | hahahhaha |
| 21:43.24 | ompaul | thinks that was rather good |
| 21:43.58 | zophy | puts together a whistling bootsplash mp3 |
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| 21:44.15 | arthurfiggis | thinks they missed out a big opportunity, they could have marketed the only breakfast cereal that comes with free international phone calls |
| 21:44.19 | ompaul | notes played based on flamegraph output from kernel |
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| 21:46.23 | zophy | this is child abuse |
| 21:46.44 | zophy | i'll have to get rid of the children |
| 21:47.16 | zophy | they have their own resources and can spawn pther child processes |
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| 22:04.33 | Lorcatar | When I shutdown my computer using shutdown in both LXDE and gnome it automatically restarts. Is this a common problem? |
| 22:04.54 | Gregor_ | anyone knows how to run mupen64 on debian wheezy? |
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| 22:05.34 | zykotick9 | Lorcatar: did you, by any chance, use the Debian LiveCD to install from? |
| 22:05.49 | Gregor_ | no |
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| 22:06.09 | Gregor_ | i installed it from CD that needs internet connection! |
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| 22:10.03 | zykotick9 | Lorcatar: well (you didn't reply but) doesn't matter - i can't find my note about the issue i had anyways :( well best of luck. |
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| 22:30.57 | zophy | is there a debian maintainer for this ? --> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2062160/usenix-flame-graph-shows-system-performance-in-a-new-light.html |
| 22:31.07 | zophy | flame-graph |
| 22:31.19 | zophy | we need this for debian |
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| 22:33.54 | ScottE_ | it's unfortunate that oracle is keeping dtrace for themselves |
| 22:34.50 | ScottE_ | zophy: assuming you are talking about Brendan Gregg's stuff |
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| 22:45.55 | abrotman | zophy: there's a whole offtopic channel |
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| 22:47.35 | AlBaTrOs | hello |
| 22:47.48 | Guest81310 | I wanna hear from anyone that has gnome 3.10 working on debian right now!!!! |
| 22:47.50 | AlBaTrOs | can anyone help me with the garbled text on debian? |
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| 22:48.33 | abrotman | Guest81310: why? |
| 22:48.50 | AlBaTrOs | the windows with different settings do not load |
| 22:49.05 | AlBaTrOs | icons and text are garbled |
| 22:49.30 | Guest81310 | because I wanna know if it's possible without breaking x, I have debian testing installed and cannot get the experimental packages to install with apt. Maybe if anyone knows a good way to pull the code from gnome.org without checking out every single package |
| 22:49.42 | AlBaTrOs | if nobody can help me with that, can someone at least help me install a fresh one without grub? |
| 22:49.57 | Guest81310 | what r u gonna use for a bootloader? |
| 22:49.57 | abrotman | Guest81310: so maybe those packages aren't meant for use with testing? |
| 22:50.17 | Guest81310 | yeah, it shows that it's working in testing on the debian status page |
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| 22:50.24 | abrotman | does it ? |
| 22:50.29 | Guest81310 | I'm sorry not testing, experimental |
| 22:50.37 | abrotman | and? |
| 22:50.54 | Guest81310 | and I'd like to give it a whirl |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | what did i say 10 lines above? |
| 22:52.06 | Guest81310 | Do I really need to explain myself, I just want to try the latest release of gnome. Looks a lot better than 3.4 and it looks like a lot of users will have to wait a long time for it, when arch users are already using it. |
| 22:52.18 | abrotman | then go use Arch? |
| 22:52.28 | pirret | :D |
| 22:52.32 | Guest81310 | no thanks, just wondering if anyone else has tried successfully |
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| 22:52.37 | Guest81310 | I'll wait to hear |
| 22:52.56 | abrotman | not likely, most people don't mess with experimental packages, they're generally not fit for public consumption |
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| 22:54.01 | applepi | hello all.. I'm trying to get emdebian working on my board with the rootfs on a flash drive, and I can get as far as "Waiting for root device ..." and some output as it mounts the flash, but then it just seems to hang... |
| 22:54.06 | pirret | but some might, so let him ask his questions insread of stupid questions |
| 22:54.13 | applepi | I haven't been able to turn up much so I figured I'd see if anyone had experienced anything similar |
| 22:54.15 | pirret | like why he want to use something |
| 22:54.30 | Guest81310 | do you know a command that might work for forcing an install from experimental that might help me give it a shot. I've already tried just adding the unstable packages and upgrading and that obviously broke my system, so I'd just like to force apt to install the packages necessary and see if it works |
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| 22:54.37 | abrotman | applepi: there's a #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:00.47 | AlBaTrOs | can anyone help me with a non-gui debian 7 installation guide? |
| 23:01.10 | AlBaTrOs | if i do install or automated install it installs gui and it's all garbled up |
| 23:01.12 | zenlunatic | what |
| 23:01.26 | AlBaTrOs | and i don't want or need gui anyway |
| 23:01.30 | zenlunatic | what video card |
| 23:01.40 | AlBaTrOs | onboard |
| 23:01.46 | zenlunatic | you can pass paramters at teh boot screen |
| 23:02.11 | AlBaTrOs | can you help me reinstall it without gui? |
| 23:02.25 | zenlunatic | if its a new machine you might have to do a text install then backport x and linux |
| 23:02.33 | AlBaTrOs | it's a test webserver for school i don't need gui |
| 23:02.54 | zenlunatic | the curses interface follows the same path as the gui |
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| 23:03.31 | abrotman | AlBaTrOs: the install guide is pretty clear |
| 23:03.57 | AlBaTrOs | what install guide? |
| 23:04.24 | AlBaTrOs | it installed grub with automated install |
| 23:04.25 | zenlunatic | he is right. no use in walking you through it. you need to ask specfic questions |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | dpkg: tell AlBaTrOs about ig |
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| 23:05.25 | abrotman | wonders how many Soru we need .. |
| 23:05.52 | Guest81310 | u could just set the timeout to 0 if you wanted it to automatically boot, among other settings that would accomplish the same. No matter what, you're gonna need a bootloader, and probably configure it as well. |
| 23:06.03 | AlBaTrOsUl | ok i hope i can find there something i can understand |
| 23:06.18 | AlBaTrOsUl | i'm at the login screen now |
| 23:06.21 | Guest81310 | well, if you can't read that, then you shouldn' |
| 23:06.27 | Guest81310 | t be messin with bootloaders |
| 23:06.37 | AlBaTrOsUl | all graphics are ok after i login everything goes to hell |
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| 23:06.48 | abrotman | a webserver doesn't need a GUI |
| 23:06.56 | Guest81310 | because that's not a graphics driver it's your framebuffer |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | maybe you should have tried it in a VM first |
| 23:07.05 | AlBaTrOsUl | i already said i don't want/need a gui |
| 23:07.16 | abrotman | so read the install guide, learn how to get what you want |
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| 23:08.10 | Guest81310 | you could use a low-level graphics driver like vesa if you want, just create an xorg.conf file that identifies it, or find another way to tell x to use it. |
| 23:08.41 | AlBaTrOsUl | i logged in with gnome classic and graphics are ok now, they are readable |
| 23:09.30 | Guest81310 | why you logging into a desktop environment if you don't need a gui? |
| 23:09.52 | AlBaTrOsUl | how do i shut down the gui at least? |
| 23:09.58 | AlBaTrOsUl | could it? |
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| 23:10.33 | Guest81310 | what gui r u talkin about? the grub menu? gdm/mdm/etc (login window) or the desktop env? |
| 23:11.17 | AlBaTrOsUl | i can't sort it out with all the new names and can't make the logical connections |
| 23:11.28 | abrotman | AlBaTrOsUl: read the install guide, start over |
| 23:11.29 | AlBaTrOsUl | i start the pc and it goes loading grub and welcome |
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| 23:12.12 | AlBaTrOsUl | i get a login screen (graphic interface) and so on which i guess is the dekstop env you say |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | this is part of your homework, we're not here to do your homework |
| 23:12.38 | `Kryten` | Hi... anyone in here about to help with mounting cifs share and setting ownership and permissions as a shared directory??? |
| 23:12.47 | Guest81310 | yes, it loads grub, you can turn that basically off by editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg and putting a 0 where it states timeout=5, you can then remove the login screen welcomer by removing gdm or mdm, or whatever you have installed that is handling that |
| 23:13.22 | Guest81310 | removing gdm won't hurt, but you'll then need to login via shell and then tell it to "start x" to boot into a desktop env. |
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| 23:18.14 | AlBaTrOsUl | ok found something now amd hope it works, i'm removing the kde and gnome dekstop |
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| 23:21.42 | AlBaTrOsUl | ok i now got my console :D |
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| 23:25.04 | Guest81310 | woman who are pregnant or are planning to become pregnant could give birth to "grizzly baby" if exposed to the application site of Low-T. |
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| 23:35.06 | forcer | abrotman: Thank you |
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| 23:45.54 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I need to install a package that depends on another, but I'm using a special version of the dependency which has a different name. Is there a way I can create an "alias" in the apt system so that it can see that the dependency is already installed? |
| 23:46.23 | Pegasus_RPG | or is that what the "provides" field is about? |
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| 23:49.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Pegasus_RPG about equivs |
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| 23:59.19 | Pegasus_RPG | awesome, thanks! |
| 23:59.44 | quinso | If I needed some -dev packages to build something, do I still need them to use what I built or can I delete them? |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | former |