| 00:00.24 | arthurfiggis | fossterer: actually yeah, that is one of the ones that installed okay for me in iceweasel as well (debian stable 7.2) :) perhaps it needs to be reinstalled? not sure what could have happened with it |
| 00:00.47 | fossterer | really? I just installed it in Firefox and when I started Iceweasel it said.. "Incompatible with this version " and so on.. |
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| 00:00.54 | arthurfiggis | (but in either case, you do have the option of downloading firefox proper if you ever actuallly need to :) ) |
| 00:00.59 | themill | fossterer: you may want to grab a newer iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net; "iceweasel" is not the problem here, "17" might be, however. |
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| 00:01.45 | fossterer | themill: Why don't get a newer version from apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:01.48 | zykotick9 | arthurfiggis: choosing incorrectly, to install the non-free Mozilla Firefox, means that you are YO-YO (You're On - Your Own" |
| 00:02.12 | fossterer | zykotick9: *LOL* |
| 00:02.24 | themill | fossterer: debian is quite conservative about forcing new versions at users. New versions require new libraries and that can (and does) have unwelcome consequences for other applications. |
| 00:02.38 | arthurfiggis | zykotick9: oh that's absolutely true yes, i probably should have made that clear as well sorry :) i was just offering my own experience on doing so, if you do try it, it's not so hard to get running |
| 00:02.38 | themill | dpkg: tell fossterer about stable |
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| 00:03.10 | zykotick9 | arthurfiggis: i wouldn't make that "wrong" decision ;) |
| 00:03.35 | arthurfiggis | zykotick9: to each their own i guess? i'd want to have a choice at least, but that's just me :) |
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| 00:04.15 | zykotick9 | arthurfiggis: IMO, if you choose, non-free. you've made the wrong "choice" ;) best of luck to you. |
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| 00:04.59 | arthurfiggis | zykotick9: i don't really need luck, i'm taking to you from firefox 25 so it does actually work...not sure what your point is, but if you want to make it privately please do so, i don't think this is on-topic :) |
| 00:05.12 | fossterer | what about the shumway anyway? ;) Anyone using it? |
| 00:05.50 | fossterer | dpkg: tell fossterer stable |
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| 00:06.01 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 00:06.01 | zykotick9 | arthurfiggis: luckly, for me. free vs. non-free IS still on topic for #debian ;) |
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| 00:06.32 | jned | I have some old garbage os's listed in grub, I wish to remove them, how can I re-run grub to auto-detect the os's I have and regenerate the boot menu, or even just edit the that boot menu |
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| 00:07.03 | zykotick9 | jned: "update-grub" if they have been removed |
| 00:07.07 | ShapeShifter499 | I tried to follow http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/29990 to set up remote decryption via ssh however when it reboots the system wants to connect via eth0 (ethernet). How can I get it to connect to my router via wifi? |
| 00:07.23 | jned | zykotick9, thx |
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| 00:07.54 | jned | zykotick9, yep, that did it,the again |
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| 00:09.12 | fossterer | **Grrrr** !tell fossterer 'update-grub' doesn't work on a system with lilo |
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| 00:10.48 | zykotick9 | fossterer: why in the world - are you using lilo? |
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| 00:11.28 | ShapeShifter499 | any ideas guys? |
| 00:11.29 | fossterer | Because I thought 'I should try this too' just as the idea of coming to Debian |
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| 00:11.39 | jusss | … |
| 00:11.44 | fossterer | Did I do something worng? |
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| 00:12.06 | arthurfiggis | fossterer: i might have missed it changing my irc client settings, what were you trying to do |
| 00:12.18 | zykotick9 | fossterer: oh man, lilo is SO retro. at this point. i barely remember grub1 / grub-legacy stuff at this point... YMMV |
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| 00:13.11 | dondelelcaro | k/sb end |
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| 00:13.20 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's not going to work so well |
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| 00:15.49 | fossterer | So.. "Debian doesn't force you with new versions until it feels comfortable that it's stable" and it happens only after 2 years ?? |
| 00:16.35 | bezaban | debian never forces a version if you specify the dist name in sources.list |
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| 00:16.49 | fossterer | what's that? |
| 00:17.07 | fossterer | dist name in sources.list? |
| 00:17.36 | bezaban | if you choose to stay on a development branch it will keep you up to date with that branch. Stable is released in approx. 2 years intervals yes. |
| 00:17.36 | dvs | Debian 7 is wheezy |
| 00:17.44 | zykotick9 | !tell fossterer about frankendebian |
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| 00:18.28 | bezaban | you can put 'wheezy' (currently stable) or 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list, this will define what version you run |
| 00:18.47 | dvs | Dont put stable! |
| 00:18.52 | bezaban | nope |
| 00:18.58 | zykotick9 | fossterer: i'd suggest not getting too excited about testing/unstable(aka sid) if i where you. and DON'T mix releases... please. BUT with Debian, you "can" do anything you want. but so much is "not a good idea". |
| 00:18.59 | fossterer | **LOL*** Frankendebian.. funny play on the name!! |
| 00:19.12 | bezaban | but that's the only case where it will 'force upgrade' you |
| 00:19.43 | zykotick9 | foobArrr: see "/msg dkpg ssb" for the "proper" way to backport stuff yourself from sid. |
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| 00:20.09 | bezaban | fortress_: the other debian versions are kept up to date, so you will get continous updates by doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:20.31 | bezaban | but the branches generally update every second year |
| 00:20.51 | bezaban | ie. change status |
| 00:21.10 | bezaban | isn't there a factoid about versions? :s |
| 00:21.12 | bezaban | !version |
| 00:21.13 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 00:21.13 | bezaban | !versions |
| 00:21.40 | zykotick9 | fossterer: see my TAB-Fail above to foobArrr (foobArry sorry x3). but <ssb> is important to know about. |
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| 00:21.59 | madez_ | hello #debian! |
| 00:22.07 | fossterer | bezaban: Cool! Currently mine has a few line like - "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib" |
| 00:22.23 | fossterer | Now Ire move wheezy and I get what I want? |
| 00:22.36 | bezaban | fossterer: you should keep wheezy |
| 00:22.47 | madez_ | I'm following the discussion about the init-system in Debian. Im excited to see what debian will choose. |
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| 00:23.07 | fossterer | then how do move away from stable thing? |
| 00:23.19 | bezaban | there will be updates to stable |
| 00:23.50 | bezaban | but they are well tested and (mostly) compatible with all the other versions of software for the stable release |
| 00:24.03 | bezaban | unless you know there is something you want from testing you should stay on wheezy |
| 00:24.12 | bezaban | current testing is 'jessie' |
| 00:24.19 | zykotick9 | bezaban: security updates to stable - are basically, the best available on any gnu/linux platform! but don't expect "version" updates on anything! see "/msg dpkg stable" |
| 00:24.48 | themill | fossterer: you'd probably do better spending some time learning your way around debian before you upgrade to testing. |
| 00:25.05 | fossterer | bazaban: zyotick9: But the updattes say from Iceweasel 17.0 to 18.0 won't occur if I retian wheezy. isn't it? |
| 00:25.23 | bezaban | zykotick9: thanks, but did I contradict that? |
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| 00:25.53 | zykotick9 | fossterer: personally, i don't like testing or unstable. those are just the "development" areas of the "true" debian-stable... IMO |
| 00:25.58 | fossterer | themill: Sure! Thanks.. |
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| 00:27.04 | fossterer | themill: And how does it differ from just using Den=bian..? I remind you I used Ubuntu for 2 years and am in a conception that both are same |
| 00:27.11 | fossterer | *Debian |
| 00:27.57 | FreezingCold | How can I download Debian packages without Debian? |
| 00:27.59 | FreezingCold | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-brcm80211 |
| 00:28.22 | madez_ | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-brcm80211_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
| 00:28.47 | qman__ | FreezingCold, right on that page, click the "all" hyperlink, then select a mirror |
| 00:28.57 | nonconvergent | fossterer: http://mozilla.debian.net/ You can newer releases of Iceweasel built for your release. |
| 00:29.00 | madez_ | You click on the atchitecture you want the package for. then you choose the mirror. |
| 00:29.05 | arthurfiggis | fossterer: i would definitely recommend messing around with the stable release first :) i haven't been using debian for long but i have used distributions like fedora, where things can break quite readily from update to update...but once you know your way around, testing is great i'm sure |
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| 00:29.43 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: oh thanks for that, i'll have to bookmark the link :) iceweasel is what comes with the distro so i like to use that wherever possible |
| 00:30.00 | nonconvergent | I run stable but use the Aurora release. Although on related lines, Debian does provide security updates to the browser as well. |
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| 00:30.54 | nonconvergent | Which is the point of stable. No big changes, but it's "supported" with fixes to what few bugs are left and security updates as necessary (via what used to be called volatile, righ?) |
| 00:31.23 | bezaban | fossterer: why do you need iceweasel 18.0? |
| 00:32.10 | FreezingCold | qman__: ugh not seeing it |
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| 00:32.25 | bezaban | there is no security benefit, so unless you specifically need a function in 18.0 you should stay with the stable branch. If you really need to you should look into backports |
| 00:32.26 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: i think that's a sensible way of doing things really, it's certainly worked out well in practice...i've quite happily moved over from ubuntu to debian with little hassle :) although backports has provided the few things that i did need new versions of, e.g. nvidia drivers, so that's great |
| 00:32.30 | FreezingCold | ah ha |
| 00:32.31 | FreezingCold | found it |
| 00:32.31 | FreezingCold | thanks |
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| 00:33.54 | arthurfiggis | with the help of a few people here i got all the capabilities of the fax/scanner/printer/thing upstairs working too...wirelessly :) i think it was more hassle to set up in windows 8 |
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| 00:34.18 | bezaban | arthurfiggis: fun! |
| 00:34.30 | bezaban | my idea of fun anyway ;) |
| 00:34.57 | FreezingCold | arthurfiggis: I used my openwrt router to share my printer using pn910 or osmething |
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| 00:35.49 | FreezingCold | works with Linux and Windows |
| 00:36.02 | FreezingCold | rather handy |
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| 00:36.42 | arthurfiggis | FreezingCold: Ahh, i've heard of openwrt but i didn't know much about it at the time....the printer i wound up getting is a brother mfc-j435w, you do have to download the linux drivers and install them yourself, but once you do everything works fine...it has its own wireless capability as well so you just set it up to connect to your wlan like a pc :) |
| 00:37.04 | arthurfiggis | FreezingCold: although looking at openwrt now it looks quite handy, i might have to scan through the site later and see what it can do! |
| 00:37.13 | FreezingCold | arthurfiggis: ahhh yeah I have a brother printer too. Na there's no need if you already have wifi |
| 00:37.50 | FreezingCold | arthurfiggis: openwrt doesn't handle the driver for me, just the raw device |
| 00:37.50 | arthurfiggis | FreezingCold: Oh yes, in this case it's already working :) but i bet it'd be good in cases where you had an older printer you wanted to network, or any one that doesn't have it's own wifi really |
| 00:38.09 | FreezingCold | yeaa, mine is older. the nice thing is it pretty much always works |
| 00:38.25 | fossterer | arthurfiggis: bezaban: nonconvergent: themill: zykotick9: Thanks for all this.. I'd love to see you tomorrow again! |
| 00:38.40 | arthurfiggis | FreezingCold: I particularly like the idea of open routing firmware as well...these past few years there's been far too many backdoors found in consumer equipment :( |
| 00:39.00 | arthurfiggis | fossterer: best of luck with everything :) if in doubt this is a good place to stop by i found |
| 00:39.11 | fossterer | [Good Night! || Bye] Depending on your respective timezones ;) |
| 00:39.14 | bezaban | fossterer: np. good luck :) |
| 00:39.57 | FreezingCold | god damn it I've been trying all day to get this stupid wireless to work |
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| 00:40.24 | nonconvergent | arthurfiggis: Same here, though I ran into an issue when I wanted to play with the newer 3.10 kernel backport...couldn't build the nvidia driver. |
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| 00:40.37 | nonconvergent | So I stuck with the current stable kernel. |
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| 00:41.15 | nonconvergent | Granted, I've also found that in my experience, if a bpo does not exist, trying to make an ssb will not be simple. |
| 00:41.36 | nonconvergent | casts asperasions towards mysql-workbench |
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| 00:42.44 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: hmm...i did use the nvidia backports driver, but not with a backported kernel...i was going to try that later on, but if it's not working well perhaps not :( |
| 00:42.46 | FreezingCold | Okay, how the hell can I just tell the device to skip scanning and just connect? |
| 00:42.50 | FreezingCold | is that even possible? |
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| 00:43.10 | arthurfiggis | usually for something that a backport doesn't exist for i'll build-dep all the dependencies and build it from source :) throw everything into /usr/local...i got used to doing that in slackware |
| 00:43.27 | nonconvergent | arthurfiggis: I tried about two months back with poor results. |
| 00:43.47 | nonconvergent | arthurfiggis: ymmv |
| 00:44.07 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: ahh, okay...so it could have been a bug that's been fixed since, possibly :) at least if you do try it and things don't work, it's fairly easy to roll back |
| 00:44.53 | arthurfiggis | 3.10x and onward have a lot of nice changes i'm sure, but as long as my system runs quickly and all the hardware works, the stable kernel isn't too bad :) |
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| 00:51.57 | drasko_ | hi all, my tftp server stopped working. Is there a way to debug it on one machine? |
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| 01:00.48 | Shadur | Okay, so I just came across this http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/44987/ (PHP-cgi remote execution exploit in all existing versions) and damn near had a coronary. How severe is the threat really, assuming up-to-date debian installs? |
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| 01:02.16 | arthurfiggis | Shadur: hmm...well i used to use php quite a bit, i'd have to look up more on the vulnerability and the affected versions to know if debian would potentially be affected |
| 01:02.27 | alreece45 | Shadur: afaik, Debian doesn't configure PHP-CGI by default, is that something you set up manually? |
| 01:03.34 | Shadur | alreece45: Yeah, had to -- back when I set it up as a webhosting server mpm-itk wasn't mature yet and without that I needed suexec/fcgid to run customers' websites under their own uid rather than the webserver's. |
| 01:04.33 | buu | haha |
| 01:04.48 | alreece45 | Shadur, it looks like that particular vulnability was fixed in http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2465 |
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| 01:05.32 | lazers | How can I find out why apt-catcher isn't on debian repository? |
| 01:05.35 | Lorcatar | Hola |
| 01:05.35 | Shadur | Ah, whew. |
| 01:06.05 | alreece45 | Shadur, only seems to cover squeeze and higher |
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| 01:09.45 | alreece45 | I'm running into a few (probably ConsoleKit) related issues. systemd+lightdm+xfce4 should work (and it used to), but ck-list-sessions lists no sessions |
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| 01:11.03 | jenia | hello |
| 01:11.16 | jenia | where can i find the boot log file? |
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| 01:11.53 | jenia | when you start the operating system, theres a list of message "[ok] blabla" thats printed |
| 01:12.04 | jenia | where do i find the log for that list? |
| 01:13.19 | cafuego | that's probably in /var/log/dmesg |
| 01:13.29 | cafuego | See also just running the "dmesg" command |
| 01:14.07 | cafuego | Oh actually, no. dmesg lists the kernel bootup but not individual services. Not sure if that is logged apart from the normal messages to /var/log/syslog. |
| 01:15.01 | cafuego | that would list any errors, but not anything thatw as echoed to stdout during bootup |
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| 01:15.51 | jenia | thanks a lot |
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| 01:17.23 | passstab | hi |
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| 01:17.59 | passstab | i'm trying to make a bootable USB |
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| 01:23.51 | arthurfiggis | hmm...packages.debian.org has a search engine for backports but the drop-down doesn't include wheezy :) is there somewhere else i can view the complete list of wheezy-backports? |
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| 01:32.21 | ctmjr | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages |
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| 01:34.08 | arthurfiggis | ctmjr: exactly what i was looking for...bookmarked, thanks :) backports has provided pretty much everything i needed a new version of thankfully |
| 01:34.11 | zykotick9 | !tell jenia about bootlog |
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| 01:35.18 | ctmjr | your welcome |
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| 01:50.46 | Lorcatar | Hello |
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| 01:52.04 | hifire | hi channel, i have a server that i believe is hacked to be a bitcoin miner, there's a process listed like "www-data 3734 99.3 0.3 22620 3488 ? R 13:20 385:23 /usr/sbin/sshd" that seems to be hiding some other processes. Does anyone have any pointers on trying to get more information about that process? |
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| 02:01.00 | aypea[3] | really doesn't need to use gimp for pdfs. |
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| 02:11.39 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm |
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| 02:12.57 | ShapeShifter499 | is it possible to have an debian system on a flash drive then use that to boot into a encrypted one? |
| 02:13.30 | Lorcatar | Hmm, is there any reason why I cannot run ccmake command? I installed cmake. I can´t find out how to run ccmake |
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| 02:17.19 | themill | dpkg: tell Lorcatar about apt-file |
| 02:17.23 | themill | ,file bin/ccmake |
| 02:17.30 | judd | Search for bin/ccmake in wheezy/i386: cmake-curses-gui: usr/bin/ccmake |
| 02:17.32 | themill | Lorcatar: ^^ |
| 02:17.35 | honestly | going to drop this again - anyone use libpam_cap? Works wonderfully in arch, but not on debian, and i'm getting desperate -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg00447.html |
| 02:18.24 | rudi_s | ShapeShifter499: Yes. |
| 02:18.32 | arthurfiggis | ShapeShifter499: not sure about that configuration, it is possible to create a fully-encrypted hard-disk with the stable installer though if that's what you wanted :) |
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| 02:18.47 | arthurfiggis | (i.e. crypto-luks) |
| 02:18.51 | rudi_s | arthurfiggis: Except for /boot (with the default config). |
| 02:19.18 | ShapeShifter499 | arthurfiggis, rudi_s I'm just trying to find away to remotely decrypt my server in the case I need to reboot |
| 02:19.21 | cafuego | arthurfiggis: and I'm pretty sure you could install such on a usb stick too |
| 02:19.27 | arthurfiggis | rudi_s: ahh...that i didn't know about, thanks :) as long as it includes everything that i'd store data on that's generally okay |
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| 02:19.42 | arthurfiggis | cafuego: oh you can :) i use crypto-luks on my usb sticks as wel |
| 02:19.43 | arthurfiggis | (well) |
| 02:20.12 | rudi_s | arthurfiggis: np - it's safe as long as nobody can boot your computer and change the bios/bootloader/etc. |
| 02:20.30 | arthurfiggis | ShapeShifter499: hmm...well in the case of crypto-luks, on boot it prompts you for the password, so if you can access that remotely you should be able to remotely decrypt :) |
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| 02:20.51 | ShapeShifter499 | I tried to follow http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/29990 for remote decryption via ssh but it wants to connect via eth0 (ethernet) and I have no idea how to tell it to connect via wifi |
| 02:21.03 | arthurfiggis | rudi_s: yes, that seems like the big attack vector of concern these days :( far from the days of when i used to pick viruses apart with bubble disasm :) |
| 02:21.25 | themill | honestly: does it work in wheezy? |
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| 02:22.01 | honestly | themill: I am on wheezy |
| 02:22.12 | honestly | themill: ugh, did I write squeeze in the ml post? |
| 02:22.22 | rudi_s | arthurfiggis: Yeah, physical security is a big issue. - The other are attacks while the system is active, like a browser exploit which gets an attacker access to all your data. |
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| 02:22.33 | honestly | I did -.- |
| 02:23.18 | rudi_s | ShapeShifter499: Remotely is much more difficult. You can do it with dropbear in the initrd, but I've never tried it. |
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| 02:23.29 | arthurfiggis | rudi_s: oh absolutely...ultimately once physical security is compromised not much else of what you've done matters :) though at least with crypto-luks you get quite reasonable full-disk encryption for all devices, and it's fairly easy to use |
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| 02:24.48 | rudi_s | Yeah, that's true. |
| 02:25.21 | themill | honestly: I don't know of many people who have really tried out capabilities, sadly. |
| 02:25.52 | arthurfiggis | ShapeShifter499: a lot of people just go with some sort of kvm device with remote access capabilities, but if you can virtualize the server it's usually much easier |
| 02:26.33 | honestly | themill: frustrating since it Just Works[tm] in arch >.< |
| 02:26.34 | ShapeShifter499 | arthurfiggis, um huh? |
| 02:27.16 | arthurfiggis | ShapeShifter499: well, programs like virtualbox usually let you access a virtual server remotely with vnc or the like :) |
| 02:28.24 | ShapeShifter499 | ah |
| 02:28.25 | Lorcatar | Is there a way to install the unstable versions of certain packages without compiling them manually? |
| 02:28.41 | Lorcatar | Like emacs 24 and allegro 5 |
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| 02:29.25 | themill | honestly: compare and contrast then |
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| 02:30.54 | honestly | themill: arch: it works. debian: it doesn't work. s'pose I could try to drill down more... |
| 02:30.57 | arthurfiggis | i thought arch was interesting...but for some reason it wouldn't work with a very basic chipset of on-board ethernet i have (e1000e), and whenever i asked for help in their channel they tended to be unpleasant :( i've gotten a lot more help here, and things up and running more smoothly |
| 02:31.28 | themill | honestly: if you want the answer you're going to have to do more, yes. |
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| 02:37.05 | jhutchins_wk | arthurfiggis: Interesting, the e1000s are prettty dead-stock chipsets and usually work well. |
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| 02:37.57 | arthurfiggis | jhutchins_wk: that's what i thought as well...i don't even trust most on-board chips but that was the first one i had that worked with almost anything :) never could figure out what the problem was...it worked in the installer, but after following all the instructions and rebooting, it wouldn't recognize |
| 02:39.26 | jhutchins_wk | I have two systems with embedded rtl8111's on them, and niether system will download at network speed. They upload just fine. I'm going to test adding RAM and switching to Inte-based PCI cards. |
| 02:39.51 | jhutchins_wk | The two systems I have with (embedded) Intel NICs do fine up and down. |
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| 02:55.07 | FuZi0N | hello |
| 02:55.08 | FuZi0N | RTNETLINK answes: File exists |
| 02:55.08 | FuZi0N | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 02:55.08 | FuZi0N | i get that error when trying to bring up eth0 |
| 02:55.08 | FuZi0N | i tried googling it and found that most ppl have the problem with multiple gateways |
| 02:55.08 | FuZi0N | however, i only have 1 |
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| 02:55.23 | FuZi0N | any ideas? |
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| 03:05.05 | gr33n7007h | FuZi0N, pastebin the output |
| 03:05.26 | FuZi0N | output of what? |
| 03:05.42 | gr33n7007h | the command trying to put eth0 up |
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| 03:06.00 | FuZi0N | when i type ifup eth0 |
| 03:06.02 | FuZi0N | i get |
| 03:06.03 | FuZi0N | •9:55PM• <FuZi0N> RTNETLINK answes: File exists |
| 03:06.03 | FuZi0N | •9:55PM• <FuZi0N> Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 03:06.38 | gr33n7007h | ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 03:07.25 | FuZi0N | how do i know its up |
| 03:07.30 | FuZi0N | i did that and it seems to have worked |
| 03:07.38 | FuZi0N | but i still get error when i restart networking |
| 03:07.40 | FuZi0N | or when i do ifup |
| 03:08.13 | gr33n7007h | type: ifconfig if it shows eth0 it's up |
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| 03:09.02 | kirat | Hi everybody. I just installed debian wheezy. I got a problem with the internet. eth0 works fine. but with wifi it says that it is connected but can't reach the internet, neither can i ping the gateway...i run dhclient but in vain, any suggestion? |
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| 03:11.09 | arthurfiggis | kirat: depending on your wireless chipset you may have to install firmware for it before it will operate correctly...a good thing to look for would be some sort of missing firmware error in dmesg |
| 03:12.22 | FuZi0N | ok |
| 03:12.26 | FuZi0N | it showed before too |
| 03:12.29 | jeep | kirat: lspci or lsusb will give you the name to look up for it |
| 03:12.41 | kirat | arthurfiggis: thx for your answer. I have already installed the corresponding firmware |
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| 03:13.31 | jeep | kirat: did you reboot after installing the firmware ? |
| 03:13.58 | kirat | no...I will try it right now |
| 03:14.32 | arthurfiggis | aha...hopefully that's it :) |
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| 03:19.16 | kirat | I ve just restarted...still not working..And I still can't ping my gateway |
| 03:20.06 | jeep | your using network-manager ? |
| 03:21.44 | kirat | jeep: yes |
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| 03:23.53 | jeep | may or may not be the issue but network manager never works for me |
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| 03:24.15 | jeep | what kind of chipset is your wifi ? |
| 03:24.38 | kirat | jeep: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 |
| 03:25.56 | jeep | does dmesg have any errors ? |
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| 03:28.30 | jeep | be back ina few i always remove network-manager and install wicd .. if you tried wicd already make sure you only have one installed both installed causes disconnects almost instantly |
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| 03:32.44 | hifire | hi guys: I'm getting this error upon apt-get update "GPG error: http://debian.opennms.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 57801F6F5B9EFD43", what does that mean? |
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| 03:41.29 | tom1 | does anyone know what happened to the ogre-samples package? |
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| 03:45.33 | dark_node | hifire: http://opennms.530661.n2.nabble.com/New-RPM-and-Debian-Signing-Keys-td7208648.html maybe this helps |
| 03:45.41 | themill | tom1: from what I can see it was dropped because it wasn't redistributable |
| 03:46.08 | tom1 | so is there a reason it couldn't be in nonfree? |
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| 03:47.02 | hifire | dark_node: thanks, that helped. now i'm getting "GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-proposed-updates" |
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| 03:47.17 | hifire | "Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:..." |
| 03:47.44 | themill | hifire: is this on a debian box? |
| 03:47.45 | dark_node | I fail. |
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| 03:49.44 | hifire | themill: yes. i added the key as described in the link which seems to have worked "http://happy-coding.com/the-following-signatures-couldnt-be-verified-because-the-public-key-is-not-available/" |
| 03:50.10 | themill | randomly adding keys isn't the right thing to be doing |
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| 03:51.26 | hifire | i figured, any suggestions on the right thing to do? |
| 03:53.17 | themill | hifire: ensuring you have the correct version of the debian-archive-keyring package is a good start |
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| 04:02.49 | acu | how can I add backports (I know is a shame, but I try always to use the stable - if no I compile -but I want to install openvpn and it is there |
| 04:02.59 | acu | !backports |
| 04:02.59 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 04:03.38 | themill | dpkg: tell acu about wheezy-backports |
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| 04:05.04 | acu | themill: thanks, still I have a potentially stupid question - is it possible that the repos conflict versions ? |
| 04:06.04 | acu | I mean how debian knows that I want backport and not the stable - or I need to take it off |
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| 04:09.27 | themill | acu: aptitude -t wheezy-backports install openvpn ← you specify the repo at the time of installation |
| 04:09.29 | acu | so I need to replace wheezy with wheezy-backports ? |
| 04:09.33 | themill | no |
| 04:09.47 | acu | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
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| 04:10.04 | acu | I see - so I just add the line above in /sources.list |
| 04:10.10 | acu | and install as you said |
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| 04:10.12 | acu | thanks |
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| 04:10.39 | acu | but if Ido apt-get dis-upgrade in future - it may ruin it ? |
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| 04:14.14 | hifire | does debian lenny still get updates? |
| 04:14.29 | acu | !lenny |
| 04:14.29 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 04:14.58 | hifire | thx |
| 04:15.13 | acu | welcome - we have a nice smart kind bot :) |
| 04:15.43 | acu | Of course I will upgrade towheezy - but it may not go straight |
| 04:16.18 | themill | acu: if you have only wheezy, wheezy-backports in sources.list then upgrade/dist-upgrade are safe, yes. |
| 04:17.19 | hifire | !squeeze |
| 04:17.19 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.8>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 04:20.14 | acu | !wheezy |
| 04:20.14 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.2>. |
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| 04:46.40 | Razkin | I ran "fsck -f" on my system in recovery mode, and it says "/dev/nda is 0.4% non-contigunious) - what does this mean? |
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| 05:02.56 | ddeltazero | Hi, community. I am searching a solution for my integrated camera in laptop Sony Vaio SV31417BLB. I am reading about R5U87X, but only apply for Ubuntu, this is the link: https://launchpad.net/~r5u87x-loader/+archive/ppa Can you help me with some ideas, please |
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| 05:05.51 | jordanm | ddeltazero: you can a) rebuild the package from the source package on the PPA b) compile that program from the upstream source c) just try the package from the PPA |
| 05:06.13 | jordanm | PPAs are not designed to work with debian, so using them directly is not recommended, but sometimes they do work |
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| 05:07.44 | ddeltazero | jordanm: Thank you for your help, I am not sure if this drivers are working with my hardware. I search each model and they are so olds |
| 05:07.51 | reavengrey | np |
| 05:07.55 | reavengrey | glad to help |
| 05:08.33 | ddeltazero | This laptop was purchased the last year, maybe doesn't exist any drivers for this model |
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| 05:10.07 | jordanm | ddeltazero: if I understand correctly, the driver exists and is in the kernel, but the package is used to fetch and load firmware for the driver |
| 05:11.14 | ddeltazero | jordanm: I am not sure if the driver exist, I looked the lsusb and lspci and I don't found the integrated webcam there |
| 05:11.38 | jordanm | those should display a present device regardless if there is a driver for it or not |
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| 05:13.31 | mo1991 | anyone know of a good howto to get netflix working on debian stable? |
| 05:14.01 | jordanm | good luck |
| 05:15.11 | jordanm | https://launchpad.net/pipelight |
| 05:15.21 | jordanm | this is a possibility, but its a really new project |
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| 05:15.28 | jordanm | i have amazone prime instead for this reason |
| 05:15.29 | seanz | Greetings. If I wanted to install jackd without dubs support, how would I do that? |
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| 05:16.03 | ddeltazero | jordanm: Could you check this output, maybe I am in lapsus, because I don't know where is the driver: http://pastebin.com/0x7nTPvT |
| 05:16.03 | jordanm | seanz: apt-get install jackd |
| 05:16.19 | seanz | I have that installed along with jackd2. |
| 05:16.29 | seanz | Is it enough to just uninstall jackd2? |
| 05:17.00 | seanz | When I try to uninstall jackd2, it wants to take jackd as well. |
| 05:17.28 | seanz | jordanm: ^ ^ ^ |
| 05:17.30 | jordanm | seanz: jackd is a dummy package that install jackd2 |
| 05:17.45 | seanz | jordanm: So this is for a headless server. I don't have X running. |
| 05:17.46 | jordanm | seanz: jackd2 depends on dbus, so it must have dbus support |
| 05:18.09 | seanz | jordanm: Someone in a support channel said to compile jack without dbus support, but I'm not sure how I would do that on Debian. |
| 05:18.30 | jordanm | why would you do that? |
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| 05:19.10 | seanz | jordanm: I don't have an X server. Isn't dbus used with a desktop environment? |
| 05:19.16 | jordanm | no |
| 05:19.42 | jordanm | any service or application can use dbus, it's not limited to GUI applications |
| 05:19.43 | seanz | jordanm: Well, dubs is running. I'm not sure what is wrong with jack. |
| 05:19.49 | seanz | *dbus |
| 05:20.06 | seanz | jackd is saying it can't connect to dbus. |
| 05:20.30 | seanz | Specifically: "Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11" |
| 05:20.47 | seanz | Neither of those are going to be available on this server, but I'm sure it should be possible to have audio on a headless server. |
| 05:21.00 | seanz | I would be very surprised if that wouldn't work. |
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| 05:22.11 | jordanm | seanz: https://github.com/mk-fg/pulseaudio-mixer-cli/issues/5 |
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| 05:22.36 | jordanm | seanz: different program, but looks like the same concept. might want to try the second workaround in the reply |
| 05:22.41 | seanz | jordanm: Convenient. I *just* got that exact error. :) |
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| 05:22.46 | seanz | jordanm: Thanks! Reading and trying. |
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| 05:35.39 | mo1991 | jordanm - I have installed the silverlight plugin and it shows up in iceweasel now, but doesn't seem to do anything? For requirements it says I need to the chrome browser - am I missing something? |
| 05:36.09 | jordanm | mo1991: I have never used it, so I have no idea |
| 05:36.18 | jordanm | it also said it needed a modified version of wine |
| 05:36.44 | mo1991 | ya, I followed the instructions and it did all of that. hmm, not sure whats not working |
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| 05:46.11 | mo1991 | looks like I need to install netflix-desktop which uses the winblows version of firefox and the silverlight plugin. Installing - we'll see how it works :) |
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| 05:46.49 | jeep | mo1991: i used like 3 months ago it workedpretty well |
| 05:47.17 | jeep | mo1991: had some lag issues but nothing too horrible |
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| 05:53.05 | mo1991 | jeep did you install the netflix-desktop package? |
| 05:54.45 | jeep | yeah it was from a ubuntu repo i think |
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| 06:04.08 | jair | guys I am wondering if any of you are using the power saving tools on debian wheezy? I have a laptop and noticed the screen stays up all night and does not dim even though I have the dim settings selected |
| 06:04.55 | jair | I guess it may only work if I choose lock and turn on that feature |
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| 06:28.53 | jair | I guess everybody is sleeping |
| 06:30.00 | nezZario | I'm not! |
| 06:31.57 | jair | nezZario: haha :) |
| 06:32.08 | jair | can you send a message to my nick? |
| 06:32.11 | jair | please |
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| 06:33.10 | jair | nezZario: I am trying to test my irssi settings can you reply to my nick directly? |
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| 06:34.13 | jair | nezZario: ? |
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| 06:37.01 | nezZario | jair: like this? |
| 06:37.06 | nezZario | i dislike irssi even though I am using it now |
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| 06:37.13 | nezZario | i feel it's a subpar client |
| 06:37.16 | jair | nezZario: awesome it workd |
| 06:37.18 | jair | works |
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| 06:37.39 | jair | subpar? I am not understanding that? |
| 06:37.59 | heffay | I put my hard disk into a new box with a new motherboard and now I can't seem to bring up networking. My /etc/network/interfaces is setup for a static ip but this has never been a problem before. Anything I should try check to get back online? |
| 06:38.21 | heffay | The network interface is not being recognized |
| 06:38.49 | nezZario | heffay: does it show up in dmesg ? |
| 06:38.58 | nezZario | demsg | grep net .. maybe |
| 06:38.59 | heffay | not sure how to check that |
| 06:39.20 | nezZario | may have to grep a few more terms... grep eth should show something |
| 06:39.44 | nezZario | i'm not toally great with what dmesg "normally" shows |
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| 06:40.11 | heffay | what specifically should I look for? I grep'd for my eth0 and see a mac |
| 06:40.35 | nezZario | ok, then it recognized it |
| 06:40.44 | nezZario | the kernel did, anyway |
| 06:40.56 | heffay | If I try to ifup it says interface ignored, not recognized |
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| 06:41.18 | heffay | all netstat shows in 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:41.22 | heffay | for loopback |
| 06:41.32 | nezZario | is it the same network card you put in the new machine? |
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| 06:41.45 | nezZario | exact same |
| 06:42.44 | heffay | each mono had onboard nic |
| 06:42.46 | heffay | mobo |
| 06:42.54 | nezZario | i have to get to bed, but first thing I would check for is if /etc/network/interfaces specifies a MAC address or anything else that is highly specific to your (possibly old) network card but isn't the same on your (possibly) new network card, like the MAC |
| 06:43.11 | heffay | no |
| 06:43.12 | nezZario | the kernel is recognizing your new network card, it's not properly setup one way or another, whether it's missing drivers or something else |
| 06:43.22 | heffay | i only specified the ip and gateway and sruff |
| 06:43.36 | heffay | makes no sense. this is the box the hdd was in at first |
| 06:43.44 | heffay | then i put the hdd in a new box with no problems |
| 06:43.58 | heffay | now back to the old box and networking is a problem |
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| 06:48.41 | heffay | I figured it out! |
| 06:48.59 | heffay | It was different eth* in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:44.54 | Gremble | I updated to jessie and on boot I get a list of firmware that is missing. Is there w way for me to retrieve that list? |
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| 07:56.21 | epitamizor | anyone used UDE manager b4? |
| 07:56.58 | saedelaere | I can't update my repositories anymore,seems like somethings wrong with security.debian.org --> 92% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6)] |
| 07:57.05 | saedelaere | this hangs forever |
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| 07:57.24 | saedelaere | anyone else affected? |
| 07:57.31 | Gremble | just did an update. Security worked fine |
| 07:57.41 | saedelaere | Strange |
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| 07:58.56 | saedelaere | ah, after 10 mintes of waiting it finally updated the repository :) |
| 07:59.20 | Gremble | Nice |
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| 08:19.59 | tintin | hi |
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| 08:23.28 | whatwhatinthebut | hello |
| 08:23.31 | whatwhatinthebut | I am using a Debian server |
| 08:23.59 | whatwhatinthebut | I have a directory called www and within it I have a directory called public_html |
| 08:24.09 | whatwhatinthebut | If I'm writing a PHP script in which directory do i put it? |
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| 09:20.48 | jaami | iceweasel does not show localstorage , what i should do to see what is stored in localstorage of html5 |
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| 09:22.15 | alkumaish | hello.. installed lighttpd. how do I stop it? /etc/init.d/lighttpd has no effect on start/stop. |
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| 09:22.48 | well_laid_lawn | jaami: something like file:///home/jaami |
| 09:22.58 | alkumaish | it's almost as if it's under inetd control, except that I don't know how that wroks in debian |
| 09:23.48 | jaami | well laid lawn, the webkit browsers like sfari and chrome has one tab page in the inspect where we can easily see resources |
| 09:23.54 | gnr | alkumaish:killall lighttpd |
| 09:23.58 | babilen | gnr: AFAICT it was enabled in 1:9.9.3.dfsg.P2-4 (check the changelog) and read #701704 |
| 09:24.03 | babilen | judd: bug #701704 |
| 09:24.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/701704 in bind9 (closed, ipv6, patch): «Please add --enable-filter-aaaa to configure/build options»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-02-26; last modified: 2013-09-27. |
| 09:24.37 | jaami | i see no resources tab anywhere in weasel, what i should do to see localstorage? |
| 09:24.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell gnr -about package recompile |
| 09:25.22 | babilen | gnr: It is probably not too hard to change the debian/rules files and recompile the package if you need that functionality |
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| 09:25.57 | gnr | babilen:i'm doing it right now. |
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| 09:28.26 | jaami | well_laid_lawn , any idea how to see data saved in localstorage through iceweasel |
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| 09:30.04 | jaami | look like nobody knows the answer |
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| 09:33.08 | jaami | does anyone know how to see data n localstorage through the webkit browser iceweasel? |
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| 09:37.09 | jaami | !tell jaami localstorage |
| 09:37.32 | jeep | jaami: file:// ? |
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| 09:38.18 | jaami | hi jeep , how are you? |
| 09:38.30 | jeep | im good |
| 09:38.56 | alkumaish | gnr: is that the only way to do it? what about if I want to disable it completely? I want to control it with init.d scripts instead |
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| 09:39.08 | jaami | there should be resources tab page to see localstorage as we see in other webkit browsers like safari and chrome but iceweasel has no such tabpage |
| 09:39.30 | jeep | i forgot to add iptables to my kernel so compiling i go |
| 09:39.41 | jeep | jaami: maybe there is plugin to add it ? |
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| 09:40.07 | jaami | oh ok, jeep |
| 09:40.08 | petern_ | iceweasel isn't webkit.... |
| 09:40.17 | Leoneof | hi, i have ISOs for debian, so what's the best way to make local repo? do i have to extract and copy all *.deb files and put them to one folder? or just extract ISOs with its subdirectories? |
| 09:40.24 | gnr | alkumaish:/etc/init.d/lighttpd stop supposed to work... if not killall is an option |
| 09:40.41 | jaami | hmm, jeep that is quite possible, i should check |
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| 09:41.09 | jaami | iceweasel is not webkit? petern_ |
| 09:41.39 | petern_ | iceweasel is firefox, with a different name. |
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| 09:42.14 | Myrtti | jaami: gecko |
| 09:42.14 | gnr | alkumaish:in /etc/init.d/lighttpd look at stop function of the script. Perhaps something is wrong? Or you can always rewrite or add a new function and use killall with it |
| 09:42.41 | jaami | petern_ , you are right, firefox is not webkit so quite right that iceweasel wont be webkit |
| 09:43.16 | jaami | i dont know where i was reading that iceweasel is webkit browser |
| 09:43.53 | Leoneof | -_- |
| 09:44.34 | jaami | i really do not like chrome but safari has no version for linux |
| 09:45.18 | jaami | is it ok to install chrome on debian? |
| 09:45.32 | jeep | google has a .deb for it |
| 09:45.34 | petern_ | Well there's chromium |
| 09:45.57 | jaami | ok |
| 09:46.06 | jeep | jaami: i recompiled chromium and its faster than regular chrome |
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| 09:46.21 | jaami | oh okay |
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| 09:47.18 | jeep | jaami: safari is based on kde's konqueror |
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| 09:47.45 | jaami | ic, i have no idea about kde |
| 09:47.58 | mumpitze1 | it's not. it just using webkit as a renderer |
| 09:48.41 | jaami | i thought iceweasel was webkit browser |
| 09:49.03 | jaami | but look like i have no other choice except for chrome |
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| 09:49.15 | Myrtti | Midori |
| 09:49.20 | Myrtti | epiphany |
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| 09:49.43 | mumpitze1 | opera, links, lynx, tons of choices |
| 09:49.44 | Myrtti | they're not as sophisticated, but they're WebKit too |
| 09:50.34 | jaami | oh great, which one is best for debian other than chrome, safari and opera? |
| 09:50.55 | finkata | firefox |
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| 09:51.23 | jaami | firefox is not webkit browser finkata |
| 09:51.55 | jeep | chrome or chromium are by far the fastest if thats a factor for you |
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| 09:52.10 | finkata | i see |
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| 09:52.47 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.59 | jaami | i am checking localStorage so i need a webkit browser that can display data saved in webstorage/localstorage |
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| 09:57.30 | nikolette | hello everyone, noob alert here... |
| 09:58.13 | nikolette | am trying to learn a little more about linux, debian to be more precise coz from what i read its like one of the most stable distros out there |
| 09:58.38 | babilen | *because :) |
| 09:58.39 | jeep | jaami: seem epiphamy has a webkit version maybe |
| 09:59.10 | nikolette | if like for windows there is like "exe" files to denote executable files, for linux what do you have? |
| 09:59.17 | jaami | okay, i check that jeep |
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| 10:00.01 | babilen | nikolette: You have executable files - I would recommend to read some documentation about linux and Debian in particular to get you started. I'll ask our bot to send you some links. You can then ask it about all the factoids in <..> |
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| 10:00.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell nikolette -about grounding |
| 10:00.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell nikolette about general cli tutorial |
| 10:01.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell nikolette -about debian handbook |
| 10:01.35 | Leoneof | babilen: i have ISOs for debian, so what's the best way to make local repo? do i have to extract and copy all *.deb files and put them to one folder? or just extract ISOs with its subdirectories? |
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| 10:02.11 | babilen | nikolette: The links in those factoids should give you plenty of material to study. I would, in particular, recommend to start out with the CLI (command line interface) tutorials and then to continue with the Debian Handbook. That will provide you with an excellent foundation for further studies. |
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| 10:03.33 | Nikolette1 | hi again, sorry got dc |
| 10:03.34 | babilen | Leoneof: I don't seem to recall discussing this issue with you. You might want to use a search engine of your choice to search for information on this topic. A hack-n-slay method would be to copy the .debs and then index them with dpkg-scanpackage, with all the bad things that entails. You might also be able to simply loop mount the ISO and use apt-cdrom, but I believe that there were some problems with that method. |
| 10:03.59 | babilen | Leoneof: In short: Please do not address single persons in this channel simply because you didn't get an answer. I consider that to be quite rude and intruding. |
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| 10:04.06 | RLa | where is root mail kept? |
| 10:04.13 | Leoneof | ah |
| 10:04.24 | babilen | Nikolette1: Okay, so did you get the messages from our bot and my explanations? |
| 10:04.26 | Leoneof | thanks :) |
| 10:04.29 | Nikolette1 | as i was asking just now, for microsoft word you can just run "winword", for debian, how do you say fire up openoffice writer in either KDE or gnome? |
| 10:04.49 | RLa | /etc/aliases lists many aliases to root but root seems to receive no mail |
| 10:04.52 | babilen | Nikolette1: You would run the command or pick it in the menu of your desktop environment. |
| 10:05.04 | Nikolette1 | something about getting the bot to give some links, but was out before i got the msg from the bot |
| 10:05.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell Nikolette1 -about grounding |
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| 10:05.25 | Nikolette1 | babilen: yes but what exactly do you run? writer? |
| 10:05.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Nikolette1 about general cli tutorial |
| 10:05.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Nikolette1 -about handbook |
| 10:05.46 | Nikolette1 | thanks will read up on those |
| 10:05.49 | babilen | nikolette: The links in those factoids should give you plenty of material to study. I would, in particular, recommend to start out with the CLI (command line interface) tutorials and then to continue with the Debian Handbook. That will provide you with an excellent foundation for further studies. |
| 10:06.13 | Nikolette1 | thank you so much |
| 10:07.30 | babilen | Nikolette1: That depends on the program in question. I would say that at your level of experience you would simply start it by clicking on it in some menu of your graphical interface, but you could also run it directly by executing, say, "libreoffice" or "lowriter", but for that you would have to know the exact name of the executable. |
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| 10:08.37 | Nikolette1 | babilen: i've a little experience in running commands thru putty administrating webservers |
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| 10:08.56 | Nikolette1 | but thats just about it, now i'm looking dive in into linux |
| 10:08.57 | babilen | Nikolette1: One thing to keep in mind from the start is that the *name* of a file is not important to decide what type of file it is but that the *content* is. An executable file could have any name and the only thing that makes it an executable is that it has the executable (x) permission set. If it makes sense or not to execute that file is a different question though :) |
| 10:09.52 | Nikolette1 | like a shell script? |
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| 10:10.01 | Nikolette1 | you need to chmod it to allow execution? |
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| 10:10.35 | babilen | Nikolette1: But IRC is a bad place for a complete "lecture" on Linux foundations as we simply cannot provide that service .. I would recommend to read the websites I pointed out earlier and to ask specific questions in here and in ##linux if something is unclear. It doesn't matter how basic that question is, but we do need a question to work with :) |
| 10:10.52 | Nikolette1 | i never knew about about desktops in linux until recently |
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| 10:11.18 | Nikolette1 | babilen: yeah am reading them ... multi-tasking |
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| 10:11.33 | babilen | Nikolette1: Yes, that is exactly what I was referring to. You can +x a regular text file with your love letters to Ada Lovelace, but executing that wouldn't make much sense. |
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| 10:12.33 | Benkinooby | hi, i am migrating from ubuntu(laptopA) to debian(laptopB). What's the best(TM) way to transfere my /home data? 1) How do transfer: I plan to use a lan cable and scp the stuff i need (laptopA runs sshd) 2) what to transfer: this one is tricky, since i have some config files in my home and I am not sure if those confisgs suit the versions on debian. Any advice? |
| 10:13.04 | Benkinooby | If i scp stuff, what will happen to the ownership of the files? |
| 10:13.09 | Benkinooby | or better use rsync? |
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| 10:13.40 | Benkinooby | I'm asking since I don't want to find out about a mistace, after all the work is done |
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| 10:13.46 | Benkinooby | *mistake |
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| 10:14.12 | lanchopat | I am trying to run PlayOnLinux in Debian Wheezy 64 bit. Everytime I start it, it says that it is unable to find 32bits opengl libraries. I have already been googling, but the guides were all confusing and didn't work for me. Could someone give me a quick tip? |
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| 10:14.55 | Nikolette1 | Benkinooby, i personally use mondorescue and backup everything to dvd so if anything happens all i gotta do is pop in the dvd and type "nuke" and i'll have my old system back |
| 10:15.13 | babilen | Benkinooby: The owner/permission will be fine (they will be adjusted to your local user if you don't give special options to preserve the origins UID/GUI/timestamps/...) and both scp and rsync would be an acceptable choice. rsync has the nice feature that it would allow you to easily resume interrupted copies. |
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| 10:16.53 | Benkinooby | Nikolette1: don'T worry about backups i use dirvish and an external hdd for it. I just want to migrate my stuff (mainly docs, maybe a few config files, thunderbird folders, firefox stuff, ...) hassle-free. I think it is about 8GB |
| 10:17.01 | babilen | Benkinooby: The more important problem is, as you rightly observed, rather the potential incompatibility of your configuration files. I can't really think of a fool-proof way to handle these situations for every single application. Two approaches, after copying your actual data, are viable. |
| 10:17.39 | Benkinooby | babilen: I will install pn debian and move my extra-options manually to the default config files |
| 10:17.40 | babilen | Benkinooby: The first would consist of having access to the old box for the foreseeable future and to copy whatever you require at the time once you need it. You can then adjust it whenever adjustment is necessary. |
| 10:17.47 | Benkinooby | babilen: unless they use the same version of a prog |
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| 10:18.38 | babilen | Benkinooby: The other way would be to copy everything now and to fix problems as they arise. FWIW, a lot of applications should be reasonably compatible between Ubuntu and Debian, with the exception that you might have configuration that target a newer version of the application on Ubuntu. |
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| 10:18.52 | Benkinooby | babilen: yes, my "old" laptop can be around as long as possible. I think i will manually migrate the configs when even I notice that i miss somethinge. tbh i messed some configs on ly old laptop up because of playing around with them too much :D |
| 10:18.58 | chovy | i just ran `apt-get install xclip` and it installed a bunch of x11 stuff. I want to remove xclip, how do I remove all the packages it installed too? |
| 10:19.21 | well_laid_lawn | check the log ? |
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| 10:19.44 | babilen | Benkinooby: The likelihood of the latter scenario happening also depends on your choice of Debian release and the Ubuntu release you are currently using. If you use bleeding edge Ubuntu and plan to run Wheezy then you might encounter this problem more frequently than not. |
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| 10:20.05 | chovy | well_laid_lawn: where is that? |
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| 10:21.04 | Benkinooby | babilen: it's ok. so far the only configs that spring to my mind are fluxbox configs, thunderbird, firefox, and some urxvt configs. all other software i use is pretty much vanilla |
| 10:21.19 | babilen | Benkinooby: All that being said: I personally didn't have that many problems in the rare cases that I had to do it and the problems were easy to fix. A fix then typically involves moving the "old" configuration out of the way to allow the program to recreate sensible defaults and then to migrate actual data. For me that was mostly the case for browsers (bookmarks, history, ...) which were easy to export/import and applications like media managers. |
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| 10:22.43 | babilen | Benkinooby: I wouldn't necessarily expect problems with fluxbox and urxvt unless the versions vastly differ and if these tools had undergone drastic changes in their configuration file format. firefox and fluxbox (iceweasel/icedove) might be more problematic, but with http://mozilla.debian.net you can/should install newer versions anyway. |
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| 10:24.20 | babilen | Benkinooby: I personally like to treat migrations like these as a chance to "cleanse" my system and typically opt for the "keep good backups of the old system" and "migrate configuration files as I need them" approach. That allows me to get rid of some of the "cruft" that always builds up over time without the danger of actually loosing data. |
| 10:25.16 | Benkinooby | babilen: that's the way I plan to go. just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything (once tripped over file permissions) |
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| 10:25.28 | babilen | Nikolette1: One more thing: The Debian Handbook targets Debian 6.0, but is still an excellent resource to learn about Debian. |
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| 10:26.53 | Benkinooby | babilen: so it's recommended to use the mozilla backports? |
| 10:27.25 | Benkinooby | oh i see, iceweasle is at version 17 and firefox on 25 |
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| 10:27.55 | Benkinooby | cat /etc/debian_version 7.2 |
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| 10:29.12 | Benkinooby | babilen: what is esr (ice*) version? |
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| 10:38.10 | mumpitze1 | Benkinooby: the version which has sort of long time support |
| 10:38.36 | mumpitze1 | http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ |
| 10:38.47 | Benkinooby | mumpitze1: ok |
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| 10:39.49 | Benkinooby | mumpitze1: i am wondering for what version of icedove and iceweasle to go |
| 10:39.53 | Benkinooby | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 10:40.00 | mumpitze1 | whichever you want |
| 10:41.17 | Benkinooby | dunno what i want :P so far i only used mozilla stuff on debian wich is some versions ahead. i don't know if it will have a significant impact on me. what's the one that has the most up to date version? |
| 10:42.28 | Benkinooby | don't knwo how sensitive ice* is on version changes, since mozilla was changing its versioning pace |
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| 10:42.47 | Benkinooby | guess i'll just copy stuff over and see what happens |
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| 10:44.03 | lanchopat | Ok, I solved the problem by myself. |
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| 10:45.13 | Benkinooby | Thunderbird support maildir directly? that's news to me. |
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| 10:51.59 | well_laid_lawn | you just point a mail app at a mail server |
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| 11:35.08 | buu | jarkko: It has a dynamically scaling number of devs |
| 11:35.17 | buu | They spawn under load. |
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| 11:35.42 | krofna | lol |
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| 11:40.35 | dgriffi | anyone here know anything about mikmod? I can't get it to use or even detect audio devices |
| 11:41.00 | themill | jarkko: there are about 2000 package maintainers |
| 11:41.20 | jarkko | that's alot |
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| 11:41.30 | jarkko | how do you explain that debian is so popular |
| 11:41.43 | dgriffi | jarkko: it just works for the most part |
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| 11:44.51 | jaami | if package in not authenticated during install then should we stop install? |
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| 11:45.04 | jaami | epiphany-browser is what im installing |
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| 11:45.24 | dgriffi | jaami: what does your sources.list file look like? |
| 11:45.58 | jaami | oh ok, the path plz? |
| 11:46.12 | dgriffi | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:46.19 | jaami | thanks |
| 11:46.22 | dgriffi | and use pastebin.com |
| 11:46.27 | jaami | ok |
| 11:46.39 | jaami | n |
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| 11:48.24 | themill | or better, use paste.debian.net |
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| 11:49.55 | jaami_ | dgriffi, http://paste.debian.net/64982/ |
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| 11:50.43 | themill | jaami_: that looks quite fine. Do you have the "debian-archive-keyring" package installed? Is the date right on your machine? |
| 11:51.38 | jaami | themill date on my debian is not correct |
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| 11:52.13 | jaami | themill i have no idea about debian-archive-keyring |
| 11:52.29 | themill | getting the time right will probably be sufficient. |
| 11:52.31 | themill | !set the time |
| 11:52.31 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. |
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| 11:53.28 | themill | (installing ntp is the long term solution but you need to get the time right first) |
| 11:54.35 | jaami | themill ntp stand for? |
| 11:54.45 | well_laid_lawn | setting the time via date and updating the hardware clock works pretty well here |
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| 11:54.55 | themill | !ntp |
| 11:54.55 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 11:57.51 | jaami | untrusted package warning was given on install ntp. i think i should ignore it |
| 11:58.52 | themill | as I said, you could just set the time |
| 11:59.12 | jaami | ok |
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| 12:08.19 | jaami | i changed date and time with current location but still getting same warning of untrusted , aptitude install ntp |
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| 12:10.02 | jaami | libopts25 ntp is the untrusted oackage |
| 12:10.12 | jaami | package*** |
| 12:10.29 | themill | did you "apt-get update"? |
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| 12:10.54 | jaami | no i did not update |
| 12:11.05 | jaami | let me do it |
| 12:13.34 | Elirips | Hello. What tools could I use to ban an ip that is trying to log-in with pop3 every second? I'm using dovecot for pop3/imap |
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| 12:18.20 | abrotman | Elirips: fail2ban comes to mind |
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| 12:31.46 | Elirips | abrotman: thanks. |
| 12:31.56 | AleksEst | Elirips CSF |
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| 12:34.21 | epifanio | hi |
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| 12:46.22 | bool | how is the support for systemd in the stable release? |
| 12:46.48 | bandwith | uh, stable? |
| 12:47.41 | bool | is it fully supported in all areas? will it completly replace sysv or just work for parts of the system? |
| 12:47.42 | abrotman | bool: it has a package |
| 12:47.46 | well_laid_lawn | I thought debian was taking a vote on what init system to use |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | well_laid_lawn: that's for the future, not Wheezy |
| 12:48.14 | well_laid_lawn | k thanks |
| 12:48.21 | bool | it looks to me systemd is the future |
| 12:48.31 | abrotman | bool: that's yet to be decided |
| 12:48.43 | well_laid_lawn | I've used systemd. now I use busybox's init |
| 12:48.55 | petn-randall | bool: Interesting point, but we've had burning discussion about that that may be best discussed on #debian-offtopic. |
| 12:49.06 | petn-randall | well_laid_lawn: hahaha |
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| 12:49.12 | abrotman | petn-randall: uhm, he's asking if it's supported |
| 12:49.17 | well_laid_lawn | I'm serious |
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| 12:49.56 | bool | petn-randall: it is not offtopic to ask how much of systemd is implemented in the stable branch... |
| 12:49.56 | petn-randall | well_laid_lawn: Oh, I thought you were joking about that it broke your system and you're forced to boot with busybox :) |
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| 12:50.07 | abrotman | bool: probably not much, it was fairly new |
| 12:50.25 | abrotman | bool: remember that Wheezy was released 8 months ago, frozen long before that |
| 12:50.47 | themill | You can certainly boot with it and it works well enough |
| 12:51.13 | petn-randall | bool: I'm not denying you any support here, but if you say "it looks to me systemd is the future" this might spawn a lengthy discussion, that's best held on #debian-offtopic. |
| 12:51.18 | bandwith | bool: have you seen this FOSDEM talk? https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/debian_systemd/ |
| 12:51.30 | well_laid_lawn | http://pastie.org/8469636 |
| 12:51.38 | abrotman | petn-randall: that was the other guy |
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| 12:52.18 | petn-randall | woops, yeah, I meant well_laid_lawn |
| 12:53.03 | petn-randall | no, wait, that *is* what bool said. Don't trick me :P |
| 12:53.35 | well_laid_lawn | I never said systemd is the future |
| 12:53.41 | well_laid_lawn | it is not here |
| 12:53.46 | bool | bandwith: thanks |
| 12:54.05 | well_laid_lawn | so much bloat |
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| 12:54.37 | bandwith | they even discuss using logind as replacement for ConsoleKit |
| 12:54.52 | bandwith | since there are ties to systemd |
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| 12:55.16 | well_laid_lawn | consolekit needed replacing but logind is very limiting |
| 12:55.37 | themill | .o0( remember how we weren't having this discussion in #debian? again? ) |
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| 12:56.40 | well_laid_lawn | no |
| 12:57.18 | petn-randall | themill: :) |
| 12:57.26 | dutchfish | mumbles something about #systemd |
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| 13:19.49 | Benkinooby | hi, i installed debian 7.02 in alenovo ideapad s12. i hear a looud "click" coming from the speakers in periodic intervalls. maybe once a minute or so. sometimes my laptop just shuts down after such a click noise. any ideas? |
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| 13:20.31 | Benkinooby | i think i saw something oragen during boot up concerning puse audio... |
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| 13:21.39 | Benkinooby | first i though it might be low battery, but i'ma t 18% and a bit more athna 1 hr |
| 13:21.43 | Benkinooby | *than |
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| 13:22.00 | abrotman | if you hit the mute key? |
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| 13:22.46 | Benkinooby | abrotman: i thought of that too. the problem is i can not reporduce it. i think hitting the mute key helped against the clicking in gnome. it did not help in fluxbox, but i think that's a question of configuration |
| 13:23.24 | Benkinooby | abrotman: how can i get the logs from bootup? |
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| 13:23.35 | Benkinooby | i think i saw something pulse audio related but can't find it in dmesg |
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| 13:25.25 | infinity0 | savelog or logrotate? |
| 13:25.26 | Benkinooby | hm, i think the clicking start as soon as i try to play sound. after boot, i had no click noise. but when i try to play sound, it click |
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| 13:26.16 | Benkinooby | hm, in alsamixa i only have one thing i change (Master) |
| 13:26.20 | Benkinooby | when i mute it, no click noise |
| 13:26.25 | madez_ | Hey #debian. Can someone tell me about the status of radeonsi in debian jessie? |
| 13:26.28 | Benkinooby | but unmouted i get clicks |
| 13:26.47 | mumpitze1 | madez_: what is radeonsi? |
| 13:26.50 | Benkinooby | *unmuted |
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| 13:27.15 | Benkinooby | ok, i'm getting closer. unmuting and then aplay /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/bark.ogg |
| 13:27.21 | Benkinooby | will give me white noise sound |
| 13:27.40 | bandwith | Benkinooby: shouldn't that be the standard behavior, mute make no sound, un-mute makes sound |
| 13:28.01 | Benkinooby | bandwith: yes sure. but unmuted should make nice sound and not white noise |
| 13:28.30 | Benkinooby | bandwith: it sound like when some1 starts to talk on a walkie-talkie: a loud click and then white noise |
| 13:28.52 | bandwith | well, it's making some sound. so that's good.... the rest should be software gain adjustments being incorrect |
| 13:28.54 | madez_ | mumpitze1, its a free driver for amd's sea island graphic cards, see here http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ |
| 13:28.57 | Benkinooby | also, i should have way more setting in alsamixer than just one |
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| 13:30.04 | bandwith | Benkinooby: are you running Pulseaudio? |
| 13:30.37 | mumpitze1 | ,v xorg |
| 13:30.38 | judd | Package: xorg on i386 -- squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+4; sid: 1:7.7+4 |
| 13:30.44 | Benkinooby | bandwith: ps -A | grep ulse retuns 3826 ? 00:00:06 pulseaudio |
| 13:31.13 | mumpitze1 | madez_: very very unlikely. debian doesn't get the drivers from cvs, they usually wait for xorg releases |
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| 13:31.43 | Benkinooby-puppe | hi, this is the trouble maker laptop, just got here in case for copy&paste |
| 13:32.15 | abrotman | should probably start with the kernel version ? |
| 13:32.39 | Benkinooby | let me try in gnome and see if it's better ther |
| 13:32.42 | Benkinooby | *there |
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| 13:34.08 | bandwith | Benkinooby: they may be more help in #pulseaudio |
| 13:34.19 | Benkinooby | in gnome it's the same problem |
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| 13:34.37 | Benkinooby | bandwith: probably. last question: maybe i a missing some drivers or non-free stuff? |
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| 13:34.45 | abrotman | should probably start with the kernel version ? |
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| 13:36.52 | bandwith | the audio hardware, being a laptop, probably is started already and isn't wildly different than 85% of all other sound devices |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | should probably start with the kernel version ? |
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| 13:37.43 | Benkinooby | abrotman: are you ok? |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | okay, don't tell us .. just keep doing random things that bandwith suggests |
| 13:38.17 | bandwith | Benkinooby: abrotman is indicating there may be a problem in the kernel that you're running... |
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| 13:40.24 | Benkinooby2 | Linux box 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:40.53 | abrotman | Benkinooby: you may want to try the BPO kernel |
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| 13:41.01 | Kobaz | soooooo, what can i do if resume from suspend-to-ram leads to no video (but a functional system otherewise) |
| 13:41.29 | Benkinooby2 | !BPO |
| 13:41.29 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW> |
| 13:41.55 | Benkinooby2 | or i try testing |
| 13:42.13 | Benkinooby2 | currently there is debian 7.2 on this laptop - that's stable iirc |
| 13:42.24 | pbodymind | testing roll-over \m/ |
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| 13:42.42 | bandwith | Benkinooby: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 13:42.49 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: roll-over = upgrade? |
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| 13:43.16 | Benkinooby2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.16 | pbodymind | i meant rolling release |
| 13:43.21 | Benkinooby2 | HDA Intel at 0xfc140000 irq 44 |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | Benkinooby: try the backport kernel first .. |
| 13:43.45 | abrotman | pbodymind: no, i'ts not |
| 13:44.07 | pbodymind | if I put.. testing on my sources.list it becomes a rolling release? no? :| |
| 13:44.16 | abrotman | no |
| 13:44.25 | pbodymind | fail |: |
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| 13:44.48 | Benkinooby2 | !backports |
| 13:44.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:44.59 | bandwith | ,v alsa |
| 13:45.01 | judd | No package named 'alsa' was found in i386. |
| 13:45.13 | pbodymind | abrotman: but some people say it is.. out there in the internet... why u say not? |
| 13:45.30 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: because he's right |
| 13:45.39 | pbodymind | can u explain plz? |
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| 13:45.46 | abrotman | pbodymind: people say all sorts of things, doesn't make them true |
| 13:45.49 | abrotman | !wud |
| 13:45.49 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 13:46.11 | pbodymind | and u are the ones that known the wholy true? |
| 13:46.13 | Benkinooby2 | lol |
| 13:46.14 | pbodymind | ur like gods uh? |
| 13:46.25 | pbodymind | camon.. u could explain me at least.. plz. |
| 13:46.42 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: the main point is: testing will be turend into stable after some time |
| 13:46.43 | abrotman | I am not going to converse with someone that thinks that is an appropriate way to speak |
| 13:47.12 | pbodymind | Benkinooby2: and unstable will become testing? |
| 13:47.23 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: also get rid of your 'plz' habbit. if youre too lazy to write please others will be too lazy to answer ;) |
| 13:47.25 | pbodymind | because from that point of view it wont affect me |
| 13:47.41 | pbodymind | ok, no problem. |
| 13:47.47 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: i'm no debian guru :/ but that's how i see it |
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| 13:48.14 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: you'll have more luck asking abrotman :) - without that plz ;) |
| 13:48.17 | pbodymind | abrotman: i am sorry, but I cannot understand what I said that is inappropriate... |
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| 13:49.03 | pbodymind | Benkinooby2: ok... thank you |
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| 13:50.05 | pbodymind | aaah, i just found on the wikipedia.. that the unstable is rolling release.. not testing.. is this true? |
| 13:50.21 | pbodymind | because probably the unstable will overwrite the testing release |
| 13:50.49 | Benkinooby | pbodymind: he didn't like the 'plz' |
| 13:51.13 | pbodymind | ok.. and so what? lets get over it, i did known he was a so fragile person |
| 13:51.18 | Benkinooby | it's as discouraged as 1337-speqk |
| 13:51.19 | pbodymind | *did not known |
| 13:52.15 | abrotman | i'm not fragile, i don't like interacting with people that can't be bothered to type |
| 13:52.37 | abrotman | That's my choice, thanks |
| 13:52.54 | pbodymind | i prefer to talk, than typing.. and everybody in the world is extremely different.. and that is beautiful.. im sorry if I hurt your feelings |
| 13:52.57 | Benkinooby2 | pbodymind: now you know :) and this topic is done |
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| 13:53.19 | bandwith | pbodymind: additionally, not everyone uses English as their primary language, anything that's not stated and spelled out to the full intent can easily be misunderstood. |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | pbodymind: keep making jabs .. talk however you'd like, but don't expect me to answer .. If you want to appear to be an idiot, go for it |
| 13:54.01 | pbodymind | bandwith: I already said I am sorry, and I am not typing like that.. also my primary language is not english..actually english is my third language. |
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| 13:54.16 | abrotman | then perhaps you should use the channel for your primary language |
| 13:55.21 | pbodymind | there is not portuguese channel I think |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | there is, #debian-pt or #debian-br on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:55.42 | abrotman | can't remember which it is |
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| 13:56.30 | tty-1 | There is the kernel-patch-openvz package for Debian Wheezy. Can one expect it would be there for newer version of debian to come? |
| 13:56.35 | pbodymind | ok, but anyway that is not my question.. and I can express myself very well in english |
| 13:56.41 | tty-1 | I tried lxc and now I also want to try OpenVZ |
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| 13:56.56 | pbodymind | you are stupid people... and rude... |
| 13:57.10 | Benkinooby2 | :( |
| 13:57.11 | abrotman | pbodymind: you don't have to stay here, you can /part |
| 13:57.26 | abrotman | tty-1: you mean the same patch, or the patch released for that version of Debian? |
| 13:58.05 | pbodymind | i will stay... there is also nice people in here i am sure |
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| 13:59.02 | pbodymind | open source is not being geek and stupid.. |
| 13:59.28 | tty-1 | abrotman: There is the vzctl package which also can be used for lxc (partially yet) and the package kernel-patch-openvz is suggested when installing it. |
| 13:59.48 | tty-1 | pbodymind: what is your problem? I just joined here so I haven't read the conversation. |
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| 14:00.01 | dark_node | He is trolling. |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | tty-1: that isn't really what I was asking. Are you expecting the same patch currently in Wheezy to work on a kernel released for Jessie? |
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| 14:00.18 | pbodymind | tty-1: nevermind.. i will shut up now. |
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| 14:02.28 | pbodymind | i will just post my initial question again and hope somebody very kind will clarify this for me... |
| 14:02.31 | pbodymind | is the testing branch a rolling release? if not, why? |
| 14:02.48 | jelly-home | is too stupid and rude to answer |
| 14:02.49 | abrotman | I said no, perhaps you don't understand how testing works, or perhaps what a rolling release is. |
| 14:03.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: ur a murun |
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| 14:03.36 | madez | mumpitze1, The Linux kernel, mesa, Xorg and libglamor do support RadeonSI 3D acceleration in their official releases. Debian doesn't. I was told Debian doesn't package libglamor which is needed. |
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| 14:04.15 | pbodymind | abrotman: exactly.. that is what I want to know! is the wikipedia definition right then? the unstable release is a rolling release? |
| 14:04.28 | bandwith | pbodymind: http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 14:05.42 | madez | Can someone tell me about the status of libglamor in Debian? |
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| 14:06.10 | Kenzumi | hello |
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| 14:06.27 | pbodymind | bandwith: thank you, but it does not mention rolling release anywhere, so I am back to my starting point... |
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| 14:07.21 | mumpitze1 | madez: what is the xorg release that supports it? then compare it to the xorg in debian and you know if it's supported. and my guess is, it's not yet |
| 14:07.29 | jelly-home | pbodymind: the answer is "no", or "neither debian testing nor debian unstable ought to be considered rolling releases at this point" |
| 14:07.36 | mumpitze1 | ,v libglamor |
| 14:07.37 | judd | No package named 'libglamor' was found in i386. |
| 14:09.28 | tty-1 | abrotman: I want to try OpenVZ, however, they wrote that OpenVZ support has been cancelled for Debian > Wheezy in favor for LXC. |
| 14:10.08 | pbodymind | jelly-home: in #debian-next they say the contrary, it would be possible for you to give me a bit more detail? thank you |
| 14:10.16 | themill | or the answer can be "yes" depending on what definition you choose for "rolling release" (which is an oxymoron in itself) |
| 14:10.33 | themill | pbodymind: when? |
| 14:10.36 | tty-1 | abrotman: Now I got recommended that kernel patch package which means to me that the existing kernel can be easily patched for OpenVZ support (and even for futrue Debians)? |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | tty-1: ah yes, we can't know if those patches will work |
| 14:10.37 | bandwith | pbodymind: and what time scale... |
| 14:10.42 | pbodymind | themill: now |
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| 14:11.00 | abrotman | the words "rolling release" are not in the topic |
| 14:11.12 | tty-1 | abrotman: so they should be considered unstable, right? |
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| 14:11.20 | themill | pbodymind: no they didn't |
| 14:11.21 | abrotman | tty-1: or incompatible possibly |
| 14:11.25 | pbodymind | ok i am not fully clarified.. but i understand a bit better |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | is skeptical |
| 14:11.54 | jelly-home | pbodymind: what's your nickname in #debian-next and when did that conversation happen? |
| 14:11.58 | abrotman | tty-1: FWIW, I've heard very good things about LXC |
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| 14:12.26 | pbodymind | jelly-home: sorry i was redirected to the wrong channel you are right it wasnt it debian-next |
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| 14:13.30 | abrotman | waits for tty-1 to settle down .. |
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| 14:14.38 | bandwith | looks at tty-1 and sees too much noise |
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| 14:17.54 | SpeedyG | hm, gets me wondering, if the limitation of ext3 is that a directory can 'at a maximum have 31998 subdirectories' who'd call that a limitation... or in other words, who'd put so many subdirectories in a directory? .... |
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| 14:21.20 | forcer | SpeedyG: Programs, not people. :-) |
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| 14:21.49 | SpeedyG | forcer: well, programs are usualy made by people ;) |
| 14:22.20 | forcer | SpeedyG: Think database-like systems that split up their databases into files, or webservers with user-uploaded files |
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| 14:25.09 | madez | mumpitze1, Xorg is not the problem here, it is libglamor. |
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| 14:27.56 | mumpitze1 | madez: so from which version of mesa or xorg onwards are southern islands supported? |
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| 14:32.57 | madez | mumpitze1, from #xorg-devel: "I don't think the state of RadeonSI is linked to X much. The performance and features come more from the kernel and mesa." |
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| 14:33.36 | madez | I asked "Are you saying that the official releases of libglamor, radeonsi and mesa support it?" in #dri-devel and got: "Yup" |
| 14:34.56 | madez | It seems to make that Debian has not yet adopted libglamor, which is mandatory for RadeonSI 3D acceleration. |
| 14:35.09 | madez | I'm about to file a bug for this. |
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| 14:39.58 | madez | It seems to me* that Debian has not yet adopted libglamor, ... |
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| 14:43.14 | mumpitze1 | madez: then check what the earliest mesa version is that supports it and what mesa is in jessie |
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| 14:43.37 | mumpitze1 | madez: and you have evaded my question from above |
| 14:45.01 | madez | mumpitze1, "mannerov> To have RadeonSI support, you need the ati ddx to be compiled with glamor support enabled, and Mesa compiled with radeonsi support." |
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| 14:45.27 | madez | mumpitze1, the problem is that Debian doesn't have libglamor at all, which is needed for RadeonSI 3D acceleration. |
| 14:46.46 | madez | I was told from #xorg-devel, that the Xorg version doesn't affect the RadeonSI support much. It is mesa, the ati ddx and the kernel. |
| 14:47.11 | madez | Therefore your question doesn't have much context. |
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| 14:48.36 | jelly-home | madez: #debian-x team cares about mesa and ddx drivers (and matching kernel support), too; you might want to ask in their channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:48.47 | jelly-home | be patient tho |
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| 14:49.59 | madez | jelly-home, thanks. |
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| 14:52.47 | boudiccas | how can i find out which repo a program is in from the commandline please? |
| 14:53.08 | nodiscc | boudiccas: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 14:54.27 | jelly-home | boudiccas: use dpkg -S to find out which package the executable comes from, first |
| 14:54.33 | boudiccas | nodiscc; that will only partially do it, because this is going to be part of a bigger script i only need a one-line answer |
| 14:54.51 | jelly-home | scripts can be more that one line. |
| 14:55.00 | jelly-home | than* |
| 14:55.25 | nodiscc | bouddicas: filter the output with sed/awk/cut then* |
| 14:56.58 | boudiccas | actually nodiscc you are exactly right, now i put it in the script, it does what i want, thanks :) |
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| 15:01.50 | nakedhoneybomb | anyone help me with an X issue, basically permissions issue |
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| 15:02.06 | nakedhoneybomb | I've rebooted and now user can't startx |
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| 15:03.42 | jelly-home | madez: it might be worth the while to describe your goal, support for specific ati hw, in #debian-x, rather than just asking about glamor |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | nakedhoneybomb: do you have an error? |
| 15:06.33 | nakedhoneybomb | abrotman: root can startx |
| 15:06.39 | nakedhoneybomb | just not user |
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| 15:07.22 | abrotman | and hte error is? |
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| 15:08.33 | hisyamkeli | Imagine just 2 weeks from now, you started to make your first $100 - $1000 directly on the internet… |
| 15:08.34 | hisyamkeli | Learn how you can do it for absolutely FREE |
| 15:08.34 | hisyamkeli | http://goo.gl/0huKRz |
| 15:08.58 | nakedhoneybomb | abrotman: I don't see one.....I've installed kdm too just to see if that helps |
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| 15:09.53 | nakedhoneybomb | abrotman:should normal user be part of users group |
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| 15:10.34 | nakedhoneybomb | it worked in the past but installed lots of software, so don;t know if that might be the problem |
| 15:10.37 | mumpitze1 | nakedhoneybomb: log in via console, and then run "startx" there |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | that's what he was doing |
| 15:11.15 | mumpitze1 | then he got an error |
| 15:11.17 | nakedhoneybomb | xinit: connection to X server lost |
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| 15:11.22 | abrotman | don't tell me .. tell him |
| 15:11.30 | mumpitze1 | nakedhoneybomb: pastebin the full output |
| 15:12.15 | nakedhoneybomb | mumpitze1: whats the best console based for pastebin |
| 15:12.48 | mumpitze1 | !nopaste |
| 15:12.49 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 15:13.10 | pbodymind | u can try: grep "EE" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:14.23 | nakedhoneybomb | ok i'll be back shortly SCREEN: 0 objects of 140 bytes = 0 total bytes 0 private allocs |
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| 15:14.37 | nakedhoneybomb | don;t know if that helps? |
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| 15:21.44 | Nibble | Hello guys, I am running debian jessie and installed OSS4. however it fails to compile kernel modules |
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| 15:22.06 | mumpitze1 | !tell Nibble about errors |
| 15:22.55 | Nibble | I mumpitze1 yeye i am working on that chill |
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| 15:26.11 | foxmask | hi |
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| 15:26.54 | markit | hi, if a directory has this permissions: drwxr-xr-x+ what does the tailing '+' mean? |
| 15:26.56 | Nibble | I run "sudo module-assistant auto-install oss4" and get error: (pastebinning) |
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| 15:27.05 | foxmask | how can I check why GnomeShell fails to start ? when i connect its gnome classic which just starts |
| 15:27.05 | xand | markit: that it has ACLs |
| 15:27.18 | markit | xand: ah, I see! |
| 15:27.52 | markit | xand: so even if I don't mount the fs with acl option, it remains, good |
| 15:28.00 | Nibble | http://pastebin.com/1f4cavZx |
| 15:28.02 | afidegnum | hello, any1 familiar with the DTC open source control panel? |
| 15:28.15 | afidegnum | there is a point I need implementing on the server using DTC |
| 15:28.25 | abrotman | need implementing? |
| 15:29.02 | afidegnum | no, this is not implemtation.... |
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| 15:29.30 | afidegnum | I am looking to hook to the existing system to build additional app that will manage user's billings |
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| 15:30.05 | abrotman | seems you'd want to talk to the DTC developers? |
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| 15:30.28 | mumpitze1 | foxmask: glxinfo will be a start I guess |
| 15:30.36 | afidegnum | I already talk to them they said there is a sample script I need to work on, but I can't locate the script in the folder. |
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| 15:32.23 | abrotman | so ask them for clarification? |
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| 15:32.35 | jordanm | it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with debian |
| 15:32.38 | mtn | foxmask: you may need to install video drivers |
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| 15:32.48 | afidegnum | abrotman: what i need to do is what are the database involved in teh users management. and what needs to take place for creating and maintaing users. |
| 15:33.28 | Nibble | Also xpdf fails to start but that's another issue... |
| 15:34.32 | nonconvergent | afidegnum: What does this have to do with Debian? |
| 15:36.30 | arthurfiggis | hmm...an earlier question that i missed the answer to, sorry for asking it again :) but i was interested, i know debian has its own "paste" facility for dumping error texts and whatnot, is there a console utility to dump text files there automatically? |
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| 15:36.48 | afidegnum | nonconvergent: it's an application which is mainly developed on debian |
| 15:36.54 | afidegnum | as well as other distros |
| 15:37.03 | seeker61 | trying to install newest version of open office what is a good installer program for debian |
| 15:37.09 | zykotick9 | arthurfiggis: pastebinit can be configured to work with paste.debian.net |
| 15:37.17 | jordanm | seeker61: apt |
| 15:37.39 | jordanm | ,versions libreoffice |
| 15:37.40 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.2-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.1.2-2; sid: 1:4.1.3-1 |
| 15:37.46 | zykotick9 | !tell arthurfiggis about pastebinit |
| 15:37.51 | jordanm | seeker61: there is a backports version |
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| 15:38.38 | seeker61 | jordanm: ok thanks so will that libreoffice get the newest version |
| 15:39.26 | jordanm | seeker61: close enough |
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| 15:40.10 | nonconvergent | afidegnum: So nothing at all. |
| 15:40.14 | seeker61 | jordanm: apt .versions libreoffice tells me it can not find apt |
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| 15:40.28 | afidegnum | ??? |
| 15:40.36 | jordanm | !tell seeker61 about bpo |
| 15:40.49 | arthurfiggis | zykotick9: oh, sorry i didn't see who had sent that to me via dpkg until just then, thanks :) |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | afidegnum: which distro are you using? |
| 15:41.07 | vrkalak | !backports |
| 15:41.07 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 15:41.20 | abrotman | you can msg the bot |
| 15:41.27 | nonconvergent | arthurfiggis: you can pipe to anything that'll accept standard input. pastebinit and nopaste do, for one |
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| 15:43.21 | afidegnum | debian 6 |
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| 15:43.35 | afidegnum | abrotman: i am using debian squeeW |
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| 15:44.01 | afidegnum | sqeeze |
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| 15:44.05 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: certainly comes in handy, i think a lot of those paste sites have done as much for debugging code and technical issues as actual debugging tools :) |
| 15:44.07 | afidegnum | *squeeze |
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| 15:45.52 | arthurfiggis | (although the most code i've written has been in php and debugging there is usually sticking echo("This ran ok #whatever") all over the place :P) |
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| 15:47.06 | jordanm | debugging perl isn't much better |
| 15:47.52 | jelly-home | perl -d is much better than anything I've seen for php |
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| 15:48.15 | nonconvergent | You debug perl? I just write new perl code to parse the errors into mildly less error prone perl. |
| 15:48.26 | arthurfiggis | jelly-home: actually to be fair to perl, and having used both, perl -d provides more than php does by far...save for perhaps a good ide :) |
| 15:48.44 | nonconvergent | perl is the first language I ever wrote thigns that worked the first time that had no buisness working the first time. |
| 15:48.46 | arthurfiggis | debugging perl i find involves staring at a long regular expression for a while, then wondering how you got to that point in life |
| 15:48.48 | jordanm | jelly-home: good luck trying to set a breakpoint inside of a module |
| 15:48.50 | jelly-home | arthurfiggis: and to be fair, I actively avoid php |
| 15:48.58 | jelly-home | jordanm: a native one? wfm |
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| 15:49.33 | arthurfiggis | jelly-home: ahh, i see...well, no faulting you for that :) i use it out of familiarity, that and i'm not sure what else to use yet...groovy and grails for java/tomcat servers looks nice, but it needs java |
| 15:49.34 | jordanm | jelly-home: not native and wfm *sometimes* |
| 15:49.38 | jelly-home | less so for a compiled one |
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| 15:50.06 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: that's the best part, once you actually do get one of those nasty regexes working properly you get a sense of accomplishment from it at least ;) |
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| 15:50.09 | tty-1 | Device c 5:0 is current TTY. Device c 5:2 is PTMX for spawning PTYs. But what is Device 5:1 then? |
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| 15:50.13 | nonconvergent | on the subject of php: http://phpsadness.com/ http://www.phptherightway.com/ |
| 15:50.16 | tty-1 | Can't find it |
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| 15:50.30 | arthurfiggis | i actually liked perl when i last tried it, i just wasn't sure what i'd use it for...web development most likely, but then i'd have to start learning from scratch |
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| 15:51.11 | nonconvergent | It's a mess, honestly. |
| 15:51.20 | honestly | I |
| 15:51.25 | honestly | I'm sorry ): |
| 15:51.33 | arthurfiggis | nonconvergent: useless error reporting is at the top of the list :P that's what killed me in php, but you learned to deal with it somehow...still, completely irrelevant errors because of a missing semicolon can really ruin your day |
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| 15:51.45 | tty-1 | Am I on the ignore list? |
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| 15:51.58 | abrotman | tty-1: no |
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| 15:52.32 | jelly-home | tty-1: /dev/console |
| 15:52.59 | tty-1 | ah |
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| 15:53.13 | tty-1 | alright, this makes sense |
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| 15:53.41 | arthurfiggis | jelly-home: out of curiousity (i won't ask too much more because it's only marginally related to debian :) ), but for recommendations on something...not php to learn, what do you use? |
| 15:54.32 | POLYPUSHER | I'm having some networking problems with squeeze. On install I recieve a prompt to select the correct networking hardware from a list. In my case I have a board with a VIA VT6102 NIC so I select VIA RHINE but nothing happens. |
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| 15:55.06 | jelly-home | arthurfiggis: in daily sysadmin work? mostly perl, some shell and python; custom applications are typically java for larger stuff or perl for smaller services and glue |
| 15:55.39 | zykotick9 | POLYPUSHER: can i ask, why are you installing squeeze now? |
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| 15:56.13 | jelly-home | arthurfiggis: this is by no means to be taken as recommendation; the choices are mostly about legacy |
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| 15:56.33 | arthurfiggis | jelly-home: ahh, okay...yes, java despite oracle shooting themselves in both feet with it is still quite good for larger scale apps :) i had started messing around with python and django for a rapid development framework, but i found grails for java worked better...with groovy you can interchange between java and the groovy language, so if you know a bit of either, you can be useful :) |
| 15:56.39 | POLYPUSHER | zykotick9: It's OpenMediaVault, in the readme it made mention that it's based on Squeeze. |
| 15:57.23 | Guest95159 | Hi all. I want to modify my keyboard-layout on debian 7 64 bit. I knew that there is a file for each layouts, but I don't remember where it is. Please could someone help me? |
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| 15:58.30 | nonconvergent | There are a dozen php frameworks that shore it up as well. As well as other engines for server side processing like JSP (which is Java) |
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| 15:59.26 | tty-1 | I used to use Zend Framework some time ago |
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| 16:00.04 | Guest95159 | hey there? |
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| 16:02.10 | Mysterytrain | how do I stop pulseaudio from ever being installed? I know there's a file somewhere to edit, like /etc/apt/something or other |
| 16:03.13 | madez | I'm looking for a debian developer who can upload this package (git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/driver/glamor-egl) to debian. |
| 16:03.30 | zykotick9 | Mysterytrain: are you planning on using Gnome? if so, i'd suggest installing pulse... |
| 16:04.02 | jordanm | Mysterytrain: you could set the pin priority for it < 1, but that may prevent installation of other things |
| 16:04.13 | Mysterytrain | zykotick9: no. just cli. |
| 16:04.13 | jordanm | zykotick9: id suggest installing pulse regardless of your DE |
| 16:04.36 | Mysterytrain | it never works on my sound cards so I'm avoiding it altogether |
| 16:04.41 | zykotick9 | Mysterytrain: in that case (like me) just don't install anything that requires pulse |
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| 16:05.08 | jordanm | Mysterytrain: pulse doesn't have specific sound card support. supporting the sound cards is still handled by alsa |
| 16:05.35 | madez | What is the appropiate way to find a debian developer for that task? |
| 16:05.39 | Mysterytrain | jordanm: then how come when I have plain alsa my sound works but when pulse is invovled it doesn't? |
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| 16:06.30 | jordanm | Mysterytrain: maybe pulse is setting the default playback device to something else? |
| 16:06.52 | nonconvergent | pulse's job is to mix and manage various audio sources. |
| 16:06.59 | nonconvergent | mainly |
| 16:07.06 | Mysterytrain | jordanm: maybe. but best to avoid the whole thing altogehter. I'd rather spend time using my system than troubleshooting |
| 16:07.08 | nonconvergent | It's come a long way. |
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| 16:07.25 | Mysterytrain | jordanm: hence my question about blacklisting it |
| 16:07.40 | nonconvergent | Mysterytrain: What problems are you having, or are you just trying to strip it out based on previous experience? |
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| 16:07.57 | Mysterytrain | nonconvergent: previous experience |
| 16:08.22 | nonconvergent | Right. You have a problem there. |
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| 16:09.03 | Mysterytrain | I suppose I could do apt-get install --no-recommends on packages that recommend it, but by doing it that way I might avoid other, more useful packages. |
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| 16:09.20 | jordanm | [10:04] <jordanm> Mysterytrain: you could set the pin priority for it < 1, but that may prevent installation of other things |
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| 16:12.17 | giogio | ciaoo |
| 16:12.31 | giogio | sole a catinelle |
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| 16:16.15 | nonconvergent | Sun in buckets? |
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| 16:19.33 | mumpitze1 | nonconvergent: solves all energy problems! |
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| 16:27.09 | panurge | I'm installing a i386 package into a 64 system. But despite my repository have all dependencies (in 386) apt does not recognize them because they are on different architecture from the ubuntu64 system |
| 16:27.13 | panurge | how to workaroud |
| 16:27.17 | panurge | ? |
| 16:28.19 | abrotman | panurge: start by asking #ubuntu |
| 16:28.36 | panurge | its an apt thing.. |
| 16:28.46 | abrotman | no, it's an Ubuntu thing. Ubuntu is not supported here. |
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| 16:36.27 | e-anima | hi |
| 16:36.32 | Guest95159 | tsk |
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| 16:36.46 | e-anima | what alternatives do you know for fail2ban. i think about using it |
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| 16:37.19 | abrotman | and what's wrong with fail2ban? |
| 16:37.19 | jordanm | denyhosts, but why do you need an alternative? |
| 16:37.39 | e-anima | nothing is wrong with it, just asking so i could compare a bit. |
| 16:37.51 | xand | you can make iptables rules to limit connection speed |
| 16:37.55 | e-anima | my aim is just to ban these scanning russians /chinese :) |
| 16:37.59 | xand | as in, the number of new connections per minute |
| 16:38.05 | xand | I use fail2ban a lot |
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| 16:39.11 | e-anima | ok thank you |
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| 16:40.52 | abrotman | wonders if fail2ban works on ipv6 |
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| 16:42.04 | dutchfish | abrotman, https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/issues/39 |
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| 16:43.31 | hurdorbsd | is debian xfce really light weight compared to Gnome3? |
| 16:43.47 | abrotman | lighter? yes |
| 16:44.00 | abrotman | not sure i'd call it lightweight on an absolute scale |
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| 16:44.26 | nonconvergent | A WM with no DE is even lighter weight. |
| 16:44.28 | abrotman | still thinks they should have gone with LXDE |
| 16:44.34 | nonconvergent | A server with no X is lighter still. |
| 16:44.42 | jordanm | still thinks they should have gone with KDE |
| 16:44.43 | abrotman | nonconvergent: congratulatoins |
| 16:45.00 | nonconvergent | Lightweight doesn't necessarily mean it fits your needs. |
| 16:45.04 | hurdorbsd | is there an openbox official spin for Debian |
| 16:45.18 | abrotman | hurdorbsd: yes, Debian |
| 16:45.20 | jordanm | hurdorbsd: apt-get install openbox |
| 16:45.22 | nonconvergent | Which is not an indictment of any recent opinions/decisions. |
| 16:45.27 | hurdorbsd | ok |
| 16:45.40 | mtn | hurdorbsd: debian doesn't do "spins" |
| 16:45.47 | nonconvergent | I like xmonad, but I'm a little weird. |
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| 16:46.12 | hurdorbsd | ok |
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| 16:48.09 | zykotick9 | mtn: i'd say the various lxde/xfce/kde CD/DVD 1s are "spins" |
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| 16:49.31 | abrotman | zykotick9: Disagree very much |
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| 16:49.39 | nonconvergent | I lament that the various DEs pretend other WMs don't exist. |
| 16:50.00 | rynkan | what would i need to install to be able to forward firefox to my pc from a server? |
| 16:50.25 | nonconvergent | rynkan: What? |
| 16:50.28 | jordanm | rynkan: ssh |
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| 16:50.56 | jordanm | rynkan: ssh -X yourserver 'firefox' |
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| 16:51.06 | rynkan | i mean, on centos i would groupinstall "x11 desktop" |
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| 16:51.35 | jordanm | iceweasel installation will pull in any needed X libraries |
| 16:51.51 | rynkan | jordanm: thx |
| 16:51.58 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Where do I find jessie netinstall images |
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| 16:52.24 | nonconvergent | ElDiabolo: There aren't any. |
| 16:52.25 | zykotick9 | ElDiabolo: install stable, then transition to jessie |
| 16:52.42 | abrotman | nonconvergent: there are, but they may or may not work today |
| 16:52.53 | ElDiabolo | nonconvergent, Uh, 'K. That explains it :) |
| 16:53.11 | nonconvergent | abrotman: *shrug* I figured we were still too far out for anything resembling an rc |
| 16:53.26 | abrotman | nonconvergent: we are, doesn't mean they don't exist. They're still working on the installer |
| 16:53.35 | abrotman | so they "may or may not work" |
| 16:54.12 | rynkan | iceweasel looks nice |
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| 16:58.48 | madez | Is a debian developer here that can bring the package git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/driver/glamor-egl into debian? |
| 16:59.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell madez about rfp |
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| 17:02.10 | jelly-home | the fact it's already in debian xorg maintainer's git probably means they plan to add it at some point |
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| 17:04.14 | jaami | so, is there any alternate to chrome, safari and opera? |
| 17:04.21 | bandwith | madez: it may be faster to ask the pkg maintainer directly |
| 17:04.36 | abrotman | jaami: Iceweasel |
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| 17:06.17 | jaami | abrotman iceweasel is already in debian and i wanted to use it for testing localstorage but iceweasel has no resources tab. or if there is any other way to check data stored in localstorage then plz let me know |
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| 17:06.47 | abrotman | jaami: you really are looking for different rendering engines, right ? |
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| 17:07.12 | jaami | i think iceweasel is webkit but not sure |
| 17:07.17 | rynkan | I'm getting "Error: no display specified" when i try starting iceweasel throuch ssh -X |
| 17:07.34 | jelly-home | jaami: iceweasel is firefox, rebranded |
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| 17:08.12 | abrotman | rynkan: don't run it as root |
| 17:08.13 | jaami | abrotman someone told me its infact based on firefox and you know firefox is not webkit browser |
| 17:08.18 | bandwith | jaami: https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers |
| 17:08.25 | rynkan | abrotman: I'm not |
| 17:08.30 | abrotman | jaami: i can see that, jelly-home just told you that |
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| 17:09.05 | abrotman | bandwith: that is so out of date, it's sad |
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| 17:09.22 | jaami | bandwith all i need is better debugging like chrome and safari offers. and i think all new browsers and latest versions support html5 local storage |
| 17:09.30 | bandwith | abrotman: I didn't read it before posting |
| 17:09.34 | abrotman | or maybe not out of date .. missing information |
| 17:09.37 | mrdeb | how fast is t1 line |
| 17:09.37 | bandwith | shakes head |
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| 17:09.45 | mrdeb | 1mb/second |
| 17:09.46 | mrdeb | ? |
| 17:09.50 | abrotman | mrdeb: 1.544mbps |
| 17:09.56 | abrotman | if you get the full T1 |
| 17:10.07 | mrdeb | how much is it for real |
| 17:10.09 | mrdeb | when u dl |
| 17:10.14 | abrotman | mrdeb: how about you ask in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:10.21 | mrdeb | ... |
| 17:10.22 | bandwith | mrdeb: minus TCP/IP overhead ;) |
| 17:10.23 | mrdeb | ok.. |
| 17:11.09 | abrotman | jaami: your main browsers would be iceweasel/chromium/internetexplorer for testing |
| 17:11.17 | Lorcatar | I am getting this permission denied message from debian. I am not sure how to change the permissions and allow myself to compile .o files without going into sudo. Assembler messages: Fatal error: can't create main.o: Permission denied make: *** [main.o] Error 1 |
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| 17:12.34 | mrdeb | when iceweasel is compiled, who decides what options to put in, like report to mozilla |
| 17:12.35 | mrdeb | ? |
| 17:12.36 | jaami | abrotman chromium is fast and secure? i think chromium will have better debugging interface |
| 17:12.43 | gnr | Lorcatar: chown -R user:group * |
| 17:13.03 | abrotman | jaami: try it and tell me |
| 17:13.11 | abrotman | mrdeb: feel free to file a bug |
| 17:13.28 | jaami | abrotman ok |
| 17:13.31 | bandwith | mrdeb: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 17:14.18 | madez | abrotman, bandwith, jelly-home, thanks. |
| 17:14.33 | mumpitze1 | Lorcatar: you lack permissions in your current directory to create any files |
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| 17:14.52 | mrdeb | its not a bug i am just asking a qs |
| 17:15.31 | hurdorbsd | Debian XFCE vs Debian Default = Debian XFCE wins! |
| 17:15.38 | hurdorbsd | XFCE is real good, CDE like! |
| 17:16.01 | madez | bandwith, since the package isn't included in debian, I can't find the maintainer. Is it reasonable to ask the xorg or mesa maintainer? |
| 17:16.27 | abrotman | madez: or check the BTS or look for an RFP |
| 17:16.37 | Lorcatar | mumpitzel: Oh okay I can fix that thanks. |
| 17:17.29 | abrotman | madez: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2013/08/msg00605.html |
| 17:17.30 | bandwith | madez: since it falls in pkg-xorg, I'd imagine they're the ones maintaining it.. or packaging it |
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| 17:25.56 | calcifea | where I can download the oldstable cd? |
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| 17:27.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell calcifea -about install squeeze |
| 17:27.27 | calcifea | ty |
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| 17:28.10 | babilen | calcifea: You'll have about 5/6 months left before you *have* to upgrade to wheezy though. I don't quite see the point of installing a new box with it, but there you have it |
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| 17:29.58 | calcifea | babilen: it's recommended to build Firefox OS :p |
| 17:30.05 | calcifea | i will use a vm |
| 17:30.45 | abrotman | that can't be right ? |
| 17:30.59 | ElDiabolo | And there are actually a few features that are no longer easily available in wheezy. |
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| 17:31.14 | madez | abrotman, I don't find anything related on the BTS for libglamor/glamor-egl. But that email shows that 40 days ago there was activity. |
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| 17:31.23 | abrotman | madez: okay |
| 17:31.26 | ElDiabolo | I myself miss multi card multi seat. |
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| 17:31.51 | ElDiabolo | (with gnome) |
| 17:32.25 | nabblet | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 17:32.26 | ElDiabolo | But thats a thing the gnome people messed up. |
| 17:32.27 | nabblet | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 17:32.34 | nabblet | is the first line redundant? |
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| 17:33.33 | folial | hello! I'm running wheezy and can't install ia32-libs: unmet dependency ia32-libs-i386 |
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| 17:33.58 | folial | I added foreign architecture, as suggested in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#ia32libs |
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| 17:34.33 | folial | (yes I dist-upgraded from oldstable) |
| 17:34.42 | qu | No #debian-systemd? |
| 17:35.01 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:35.23 | abrotman | it'd be on irc.oftc.net, not here |
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| 17:35.38 | nabblet | http://paste.debian.net/65036/ are lines 7 and 17 redundant? |
| 17:35.42 | folial | what may be the cause? |
| 17:35.46 | qu | abrotman: me? |
| 17:36.00 | mapps | hm |
| 17:36.08 | abrotman | folial: no more ia32-libs in wheezy |
| 17:36.21 | abrotman | nabblet: comment out line 7 |
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| 17:37.05 | nabblet | abrotman: should I add a deb-src line that is conform to line 17 and comment out line 8 in exchange too? |
| 17:37.15 | folial | so, I can't install third party packages which depends on ia32-libs...!? |
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| 17:37.44 | abrotman | nabblet: only if you need source packages |
| 17:37.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell folial about multiarch |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | folial: there's a transitional package in Wheez |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | y |
| 17:38.14 | nabblet | ok |
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| 17:39.03 | luichi | hello i have debian installed and now im running debian live cd to repair my system how can i run from the live cd update-initramfs -u to the installed system? |
| 17:39.35 | mumpitze1 | !tell luichi about fixboot |
| 17:39.50 | mumpitze1 | you need to chroot in, similar to the way dpkg describes for fixboot |
| 17:40.06 | folial | thank you, but I already added i386 architecture |
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| 17:40.47 | mumpitze1 | folial: then simply install the i386 packages |
| 17:41.19 | folial | it doesn't work... apt-get install ia32-libs-i386 fails |
| 17:41.25 | nabblet | is there any difference in debian.org and debian.net in the sources.list - or are the all just mirroring the same? |
| 17:41.32 | abrotman | folial: no, that's not how it works |
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| 17:42.09 | mumpitze1 | folial: there is no ia32libs anymore. there only is the actual libs your program needs. those you can install like any other. please read the multiarch factoid and wiki page |
| 17:42.21 | folial | I should install packages *:i386 |
| 17:42.58 | folial | but what if a third party package requires ia32-libs? I can't install it? |
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| 17:43.24 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: it's all the same content but debian.net should get the files from a mirror near you, thus helping debian to load balance |
| 17:43.56 | mumpitze1 | !tell folial about equivs |
| 17:44.02 | nabblet | mumpitze1: ok, so i will change all debian.org to debian.net |
| 17:44.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell nabblet about wheezy sources.list |
| 17:44.18 | abrotman | folial: which versoin of linux are you running? |
| 17:44.20 | mumpitze1 | follow this |
| 17:44.36 | babilen | calcifea: I might suggest to try using wheezy and to fix whatever problem you run into rather than relying on a soon-to-be completely obsolete release though. A VM or chroot is certainly an option. |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | mumpitze1: not "debian.net", "cdn.debian.net" |
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| 17:44.53 | folial | abrotman, I'm using wheezy |
| 17:44.57 | calcifea | babilen: i'm using deboostrap+chroot :) |
| 17:45.05 | babilen | calcifea: yeah |
| 17:45.12 | luichi | mumpitze1: i repaired grub. but i want to run update-initramfs -u to the installed system. i followed dpkg instructions and i chrooted. when i chrooted i can run update-initramfs -u no? |
| 17:45.15 | folial | mumpitze1: equiv is a good hint! |
| 17:45.19 | calcifea | babilen: btw i don't know what are you saying, i just need to compile Firefox OS... |
| 17:45.24 | mumpitze1 | luichi: yes you can |
| 17:45.26 | calcifea | babilen: will never be a running system |
| 17:45.27 | folial | mumpitze1, i'll try it |
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| 17:46.03 | abrotman | judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 17:46.05 | judd | Package: ia32-libs on amd64 -- squeeze: 20131011; wheezy: 1:0.4; jessie: 1:0.5 |
| 17:46.08 | babilen | calcifea: You either run a system or you don't ;) |
| 17:46.09 | nabblet | mumpitze1: thank you |
| 17:46.29 | Gregor_ | hello? |
| 17:46.37 | luichi | mumpitze1: but it will run on the installed system? |
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| 17:46.49 | folial | days ago I tried to install libc6 from testing as hybrid package, and now I can't get it back |
| 17:46.54 | mumpitze1 | luichi: yes. if you are chrooted into it, it will |
| 17:46.57 | Gregor_ | Whats the best way to transmitt files? |
| 17:47.09 | mumpitze1 | !best |
| 17:47.09 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:47.15 | folial | might this be related to ia32-libs-i386 unmet dependencies? |
| 17:47.23 | luichi | mumpitze1: but if i put uname -a it says that im in the live cd |
| 17:47.44 | mumpitze1 | luichi: your kernel doesn't change with a chroot. do a ls -l / and you will see where you are |
| 17:48.18 | jaami_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers plz check this link for me. is it working? |
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| 17:48.32 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok if i run depmod -ae i get http://pastebin.com/NLwCCA2k |
| 17:48.39 | bandwith | jaami_: yep |
| 17:49.03 | jaami_ | thanks, bandwith, |
| 17:49.10 | mumpitze1 | luichi: why do you have 3.7-trunk installed? |
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| 17:49.32 | luichi | mumpitze1: i have debian installed and im using kali linux live cd |
| 17:49.41 | luichi | mumpitze1: im using debian testing |
| 17:50.03 | mumpitze1 | luichi: that doesn't explain the kernel |
| 17:50.08 | mumpitze1 | ,kernels |
| 17:50.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 17:50.21 | luichi | mumpitze1: i dont know why |
| 17:50.29 | mumpitze1 | see: no 3.7 anyewhere. what kernels do you have installed? use dpkg -l to see |
| 17:50.30 | jaami_ | bandwith, how isp contol links? many working links do not work for me |
| 17:51.00 | luichi | mumpitze1: if i run dpkg -l i have a long output |
| 17:51.21 | folial | I think my trouble is this: I installed libc6 from testing as hybrid package, and now I can't get it back to stable version. So if I try to install, for example, libtiff4:i386, it complains for unmet dependencies... |
| 17:51.33 | folial | how can I get libc6 back to right version? |
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| 17:52.12 | mumpitze1 | luichi: yes you do but you can limit the output to the relevant packages |
| 17:52.37 | luichi | mumpitze1: what are the relevant packages. i can use grep |
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| 17:52.54 | mumpitze1 | linux-image* |
| 17:53.20 | nabblet | i asked dkpg about non-free at it say "ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main" " |
| 17:53.29 | mumpitze1 | folial: show us the complaints. |
| 17:53.36 | abrotman | nabblet: and? |
| 17:53.45 | nabblet | what two lines are meant with that? previosly it is stated that there are three important lines... |
| 17:53.46 | bandwith | jaami_: it's the pakistan country-level firewalls that are limiting your access |
| 17:53.52 | luichi | mumpitze1: i get ii linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 |
| 17:54.23 | jaami_ | many times working url not loading, what i should do to bypass country level firewall? |
| 17:54.30 | mumpitze1 | luichi: what's in /boot ? |
| 17:54.42 | mumpitze1 | jaami_: use tor for example |
| 17:55.05 | jaami_ | tor site is not loading |
| 17:55.11 | luichi | mumpitze1: ls /boot i get config-3.10-3-amd64 grub initrd.img-3.10-3-amd64 System.map-3.10-3-amd64 vmlinuz-3.10-3-amd64 |
| 17:55.20 | bandwith | jaami_: we cannot help you do that... |
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| 17:55.37 | mumpitze1 | luichi: somewhere the 3.7 must come from |
| 17:55.52 | mumpitze1 | or 3.8 or whatever |
| 17:55.58 | folial | mumpitze1, can I paste the result to #flood? |
| 17:55.59 | bandwith | jaami_: think of the Great Firewall of China for example... that's what Pakistan is doing |
| 17:56.08 | luichi | mumpitze1: i runed uname -r in my kali linux live cd and i get 3.7 |
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| 17:56.17 | mumpitze1 | folial: use paste.debian.net via the nopaste package? |
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| 17:56.40 | mumpitze1 | luichi: dpkg-reconfigure your linux-image then |
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| 17:56.55 | luichi | mumpitze1: i dont understand you |
| 17:56.57 | jaami_ | bandwith, so there is no way to see world with my own eyes? :) |
| 17:57.18 | bandwith | jaami_: uh, leave the country? |
| 17:57.23 | mumpitze1 | luichi: dpkg-reconfigure your linux kernel image package |
| 17:57.39 | mumpitze1 | jaami_: I gave you a way. you must use it yourself, we can't do that for you |
| 17:57.41 | luichi | mumpitze1: i have to run dpkg-reconfigure to the chrooted or in my live cd? |
| 17:57.41 | zykotick9 | jaami_: tor was a suggestion |
| 17:57.44 | folial | mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/65041/ |
| 17:57.52 | mumpitze1 | luichi: in the chroot |
| 17:57.56 | bandwith | jaami_: or try to change the rules of the country you're in |
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| 17:58.30 | jaami_ | hmmm, wikipedia is not bad site |
| 17:58.31 | luichi | mumpitze1: dpkg-reconfigure tells me to specify a package is linux-image? how is the command? |
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| 17:58.49 | folial | I don't have held packages |
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| 17:58.55 | mumpitze1 | folial: you can install all the libc6 and its dependencies frm wheezy with "dpkg i <package file list>" |
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| 17:59.04 | mumpitze1 | folial: then you run a wheezy libc6 again and it should work |
| 17:59.06 | bandwith | jaami_: that's a political discussion we cannot have here |
| 17:59.12 | bandwith | ,v tor |
| 17:59.14 | judd | Package: tor on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.2.2.37-1~bpo60+1; squeeze: 0.2.2.39-1; squeeze-security: 0.2.2.39-1; jessie: 0.2.3.25-1; sid: 0.2.3.25-1; wheezy: 0.2.3.25-1; experimental: 0.2.4.17-rc-1 |
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| 17:59.47 | folial | mumpitze1, so I download all dependencies by hand and install them manually with dpkg!? |
| 17:59.47 | jaami_ | i need to use proxy server like your freedom, and freegate etc. what is for debian? |
| 17:59.56 | mumpitze1 | folial: basically yes |
| 18:00.03 | mumpitze1 | jaami_: tor |
| 18:00.15 | abrotman | tor isn't a proxy server |
| 18:00.22 | bandwith | mumpitze1: there are reports that tor is blocked in Pakistan |
| 18:00.23 | folial | ok, I'll try... thank you mumpitze1 |
| 18:00.49 | jaami_ | tor blocks javascript while many sites do not work without js |
| 18:00.57 | mumpitze1 | bandwith: and something like freegate is not? |
| 18:01.11 | mumpitze1 | tor doesn't block js. you want to disable js to stay anonymous |
| 18:01.15 | jelly-home | jaami_: many browser-based exploits relyon javascript |
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| 18:01.50 | jaami_ | that is right , many exploits are based on js |
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| 18:02.31 | jaami_ | free gate is local proxy server and some how without disabling js it works fine |
| 18:02.40 | luichi | mumpitze1: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 or dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-amd64 ? |
| 18:02.42 | jaami_ | sorry yourfreedom |
| 18:03.08 | mumpitze1 | you can run these proxies probably under WINE |
| 18:03.11 | mumpitze1 | luichi: former |
| 18:03.25 | luichi | mumpitze1: what do you mean? |
| 18:03.44 | mumpitze1 | you gave me a former or latter choice. I said "former" |
| 18:04.09 | luichi | mumpitze1: sorry but im not perfect in english and i dont understand you |
| 18:04.17 | mumpitze1 | the first one |
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| 18:05.24 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok i executed the first one. but if later i run depmod -ae i get the same error |
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| 18:06.25 | mumpitze1 | it always will |
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| 18:07.17 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok. i will restart my pc to see if i repaired it if no i will ask you ;) |
| 18:07.50 | mrdeb | can someone make debian with openbox please for debian 8 |
| 18:08.55 | jelly-home | mrdeb: it's not hard to install X and openbox on top of a debian base system |
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| 18:09.26 | mrdeb | i know jelly-home but i would like it as iso i can install, and i dont know how to make live iso |
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| 18:10.03 | jelly-home | !debian-live |
| 18:10.04 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 18:10.16 | abrotman | there's also no Debian 8 yet? |
| 18:10.16 | jelly-home | er, no, sorry |
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| 18:10.42 | jelly-home | !custom d-i |
| 18:10.42 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
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| 18:11.42 | mrdeb | so those r live images or u can make ur own with base+openbox |
| 18:11.43 | abrotman | or he could just use the CD1 that already exists |
| 18:11.44 | mrdeb | ?? |
| 18:11.44 | jelly-home | mrdeb: once jessie nears completion (2015?) and debian-installer code gets stable enough, you'll be able to make custom images |
| 18:11.56 | mrdeb | i used cd#1 and install base, then add it |
| 18:12.05 | mrdeb | but i hate gnome 3 so i want ob and other apps |
| 18:12.21 | mrdeb | huh |
| 18:12.26 | mrdeb | how |
| 18:12.34 | zykotick9 | mrdeb: i'd suggest installing netinstall, with nothing selected but "base", reboot into a naked-debian, and install what you really want. |
| 18:12.39 | mrdeb | so this is new feature for 8? |
| 18:12.42 | jelly-home | mrdeb: are you planning to install on offline machines? That's the only sane reason to want custom installers |
| 18:12.54 | mrdeb | zykotick9: that is what i do but with iso cd#1 |
| 18:12.55 | jelly-home | it's not new. |
| 18:13.09 | abrotman | there's already an openbox image .. |
| 18:13.21 | mrdeb | bec i want to be able to install w/o net access in future, so i keep debs/lists and then copy and reinstall |
| 18:13.21 | abrotman | is 99% sure there's a comprehension issue going on .. |
| 18:13.52 | mrdeb | yes i am sane |
| 18:14.13 | jelly-home | glad to hear that :-> |
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| 18:19.01 | Nibble | Hello, how would I go about installing OSS4 on a debian jessie system. The documentation I have found differ widely in the methods and even packages I need to install.. |
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| 18:20.09 | luichi | hello |
| 18:21.29 | luichi | mumpitze1: i didnt solve the problem. this is what i get when i select debian from grub http://pastebin.com/FbJD0hTb (line 6 of the paste are ... because i dont remember the exact name) |
| 18:21.57 | Nibble | Using one of the methods including oss4-source, the building of kernle modules fails when using module-assistant |
| 18:22.04 | Nibble | I can provide error messages if they are interesting |
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| 18:25.16 | mrdeb | i tried apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc, but it didnt work |
| 18:25.54 | mumpitze1 | luichi: are you using lvm, raid, etc? |
| 18:26.08 | luichi | mumpitze1: no |
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| 18:26.41 | mumpitze1 | luichi: then what does "blkid" say now? and what is the content of your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
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| 18:26.57 | luichi | mumpitze1: blikd executed from the live cd? |
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| 18:27.03 | mumpitze1 | anywhere |
| 18:27.21 | mumpitze1 | !tell mrdeb about doesn't work |
| 18:27.34 | jelly-home | Nibble: you can verify whether the build failures have already been reported on http://bugs.debian.org/oss4-dkms, and file a bug report if they haven't |
| 18:27.34 | luichi | mumpitze1: blkid http://pastebin.com/n67cPrmi |
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| 18:27.58 | Nibble | mumpitze1: I am not using dkms however |
| 18:28.04 | Nibble | I don't think |
| 18:28.11 | Nibble | or jelly-home * |
| 18:28.18 | luichi | mumpitze1: and grub.conf http://pastebin.com/uMAA7trS |
| 18:29.07 | jelly-home | er, sorry, oss4-source (but it's the same source package anyway) |
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| 18:29.35 | mumpitze1 | luichi: the UUID parameter of your linux kernel doesn't match the partition UUIDs of your system. run os-prober (under a chroot) and then update-grub |
| 18:29.58 | jelly-home | switched to dkms a long time ago and does an automatic s/-source/-dkms/ |
| 18:30.12 | Nibble | jelly-home: I am willing to make the switch |
| 18:30.15 | jelly-home | Nibble: but I bet dkms will fail, too! :-) |
| 18:30.16 | mumpitze1 | he pasted the errors before and it was some compiler error. |
| 18:30.17 | Nibble | as I said above, anything that makes it works |
| 18:31.05 | jelly-home | not many people care about oss4 at this point |
| 18:31.22 | Nibble | I don't feel like caring for it either at this point lol |
| 18:31.33 | mrdeb | is anything good and small that plays music/video like vlc but not gtk2 |
| 18:31.42 | Nibble | but sadly alsa support for my card is non existant or close to and I heard somewhere that oss4 was better for it |
| 18:31.55 | Nibble | mrdeb: mplayer? |
| 18:32.25 | mrdeb | no mplayer with codecs is about as big |
| 18:32.45 | luichi | mumpitze1: now if i chroot it says chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 18:32.59 | luichi | mumpitze1: i runned chroot "/media/Debian Linux" |
| 18:33.01 | mumpitze1 | is debian mounted? |
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| 18:33.19 | luichi | mumpitze1: yes /dev/sda4 on /media/Debian Linux type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks) |
| 18:33.41 | Gregor_ | how can i config vsftpd? |
| 18:33.51 | mumpitze1 | Gregor_: /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 18:33.56 | Gregor_ | i want to log in the ftp server with password to ... |
| 18:34.09 | Gregor_ | can i config everything there? |
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| 18:35.37 | mrdeb | is it ok to install netinstall testing iso and just run that, updating once a month |
| 18:35.42 | mrdeb | i mean is that safe for most systems |
| 18:35.43 | abrotman | no |
| 18:35.55 | mrdeb | i dont need productivit |
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| 18:35.58 | mrdeb | but most things wont crash? |
| 18:36.01 | mrdeb | basically stable |
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| 18:36.53 | mumpitze1 | mrdeb: no it's not. you do not use the testing installer |
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| 18:37.02 | mumpitze1 | and: if you run testing, things will break |
| 18:37.10 | ajoox | Hello, I need some help |
| 18:37.14 | ajoox | Well there is my issue! |
| 18:37.14 | mumpitze1 | it will not be stable, not in any meaning of the word |
| 18:37.16 | ajoox | Ran testing! |
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| 18:37.22 | ajoox | Broke tranmission |
| 18:37.27 | mumpitze1 | !enter |
| 18:37.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:37.35 | ajoox | Sorry |
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| 18:37.52 | mumpitze1 | take a deep breath and describe your problem in a meaningful way |
| 18:37.59 | Nibble | That may be the most condescending bot ever |
| 18:38.03 | ajoox | Anyway, I updated to jessie, and now I cannot lauch transmission, I will post the error i get in just one second |
| 18:38.07 | mrdeb | i mean isnt mint just testing |
| 18:38.08 | xand | what about the return key?! |
| 18:38.17 | luichi | mumpitze1: any help? |
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| 18:38.49 | ajoox | http://pastebin.com/mGG9xP0W |
| 18:38.59 | ajoox | That is what happens when I try and lauch it. |
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| 18:40.08 | ajoox | Anyone have any idea what is happening? |
| 18:40.22 | mumpitze1 | luichi: it worked before, so you are doing something different this time. don't |
| 18:41.06 | mumpitze1 | ajoox: it segfaults, that's all |
| 18:41.29 | ajoox | I'm unfimiliar with that, what can I do to fixi t? |
| 18:41.32 | zykotick9 | ajoox: welcome to testing ;) |
| 18:41.41 | ajoox | haha thanks |
| 18:41.43 | abrotman | ajoox: did you upgrade all the way? |
| 18:41.44 | Gregor_ | how can i make an account on vsftpd? |
| 18:42.05 | Gregor_ | so that i can log in from client? |
| 18:42.05 | mumpitze1 | Gregor_: by default it uses system accounts |
| 18:42.13 | abrotman | Gregor_: there is no vsftpd documentation? |
| 18:42.25 | ajoox | I think I did, I updated my apt sources, and did update upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 18:42.34 | ajoox | Wait, so how do I fix a segfault? |
| 18:42.35 | Gregor_ | what do you mean? |
| 18:42.40 | Gregor_ | documentation? |
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| 18:42.44 | mumpitze1 | ajoox: you run a debugger and check |
| 18:42.50 | Gregor_ | iCarly! |
| 18:42.51 | Gregor_ | Hi! |
| 18:43.10 | mumpitze1 | Gregor_: /usr/share/doc is a very big directory for a very good reason |
| 18:43.12 | ajoox | I've never dealt with this before, what debugger do I use |
| 18:43.20 | mumpitze1 | ajoox: do you know C? |
| 18:43.26 | ajoox | Been learning it |
| 18:43.30 | abrotman | maybe make sure he's fully upgraded first? |
| 18:43.33 | mumpitze1 | then you shouldn't have to ask ajoox |
| 18:43.51 | iCarly | :-) |
| 18:44.04 | ajoox | Well, how do I know if I am fully upgraded |
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| 18:47.08 | Alina-malina | What communication protocols support Debian? |
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| 18:47.50 | mumpitze1 | too many to count |
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| 18:48.26 | Alina-malina | i mean built in protocols, how can i see those? |
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| 18:50.07 | mumpitze1 | you can't |
| 18:50.16 | mumpitze1 | you can read the linux kernel source for example |
| 18:50.29 | mumpitze1 | but what do you mean with "built-in" in the first place? |
| 18:50.54 | Alina-malina | for example if i block tcp, icmp and udp protocols in iptables, my machine still would be available on other protocols right? |
| 18:50.58 | luichi | mumpitze1: i umonted all debian and mounted it and i get the same error :( |
| 18:51.17 | ajoox | I'm still really lost, how do I fix the segmentation fault? |
| 18:51.22 | mumpitze1 | luichi: check your debian partition if the file is there |
| 18:51.32 | abrotman | ajoox: did you make sure your system is fully upgraded? |
| 18:51.46 | ajoox | I ran uname and it says jessie, does that suffice? |
| 18:52.06 | mumpitze1 | no |
| 18:52.14 | ajoox | How would I check? |
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| 18:52.28 | mumpitze1 | and running "uname" doesn't show jessie. if it does, something is very broken |
| 18:52.43 | ajoox | Well, uname with an argument |
| 18:52.59 | luichi | to chroot i only i have to do mount -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /media/debian or i have to do what you passed me of dpkg help? |
| 18:53.26 | ajoox | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:53.32 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, what about accessing my machine over other protocol? does it possible if i block all udp, tcp and icmp packets on my machine with iptables? |
| 18:53.37 | ajoox | I get jessie/sid |
| 18:53.52 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, can attacker do some sort of ping to my machine but in other protocol? |
| 18:54.29 | Gregor_ | doesnt work |
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| 18:54.41 | Gregor_ | wanna make an account on ftp server |
| 18:54.43 | Gregor_ | vsftpd |
| 18:54.51 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: no |
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| 18:55.20 | mrdeb | so if u chroot, can u hack into any linux system then |
| 18:55.23 | mrdeb | and act like root |
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| 18:55.38 | mrdeb | how is this safe |
| 18:55.49 | mumpitze1 | mrdeb: that's normal. why wouldn't it be so? |
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| 18:56.14 | mrdeb | well i mean it should be secure, so not anyone with usb drive can access all files on pc |
| 18:56.16 | mumpitze1 | mrdeb: the point is you must be able to chroot in the first place |
| 18:56.31 | mumpitze1 | mrdeb: then encrypt your partitions, don't allow usb boots, etc |
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| 18:56.49 | ajoox | Ok, so I believe I have updated, now what? |
| 18:56.49 | mumpitze1 | mrdeb: physical access trumps everything |
| 18:57.03 | mumpitze1 | ajoox: if you have to ask what to do now you are not suitable to run testing |
| 18:57.06 | mrdeb | so if u encrypt then they cant get files off pc with usb live boot? |
| 18:57.14 | mrdeb | can u chroot via internet |
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| 18:57.53 | ajoox | Well, I mean I am running it, I've got to learn somehow |
| 18:58.48 | mumpitze1 | you can learn with debian stable just fine |
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| 18:59.22 | ajoox | I have been with stable, I updated to testing for the steam support |
| 18:59.24 | luichi | mumpitze1: to chroot i only i have to do mount -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /media/debian or i have to do what you passed me of dpkg help? |
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| 18:59.46 | mumpitze1 | and obviously what you do after you try to fix a problem is check if the problem is fixed. but I dread to ask how you made sure if you are updated fully and I doubt you understand what happened when you did it |
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| 19:00.02 | mumpitze1 | luichi: for the chroot itself that is enough |
| 19:00.11 | mumpitze1 | luichi: have you checked if the file exists as I wrote? |
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| 19:00.35 | luichi | mumpitze1: what file? |
| 19:00.38 | ctmjr | !tell ajoox about debian-next |
| 19:00.56 | ajoox | To check if I was updated, I just did cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:01.06 | ajoox | Thanks |
| 19:01.22 | mumpitze1 | luichi: bash |
| 19:01.30 | mumpitze1 | ajoox: that is no check |
| 19:01.59 | luichi | mumpitze1: if i do ls /media/Debian doesn't appear /bin directory |
| 19:02.07 | mumpitze1 | luichi: and that is your problem |
| 19:02.25 | mumpitze1 | luichi: now you find out why |
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| 19:03.54 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok i umounted all and only mounted /media/Debian and now i can chroot :) |
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| 19:05.17 | tty-1 | hi |
| 19:05.23 | luichi | mumpitze1: i have to run os-probe with no parameters? |
| 19:09.10 | nabblet | hi, i installe wheezy but sound is not working correctly. (aplay /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/glass.ogg plays white noise) interestingly sound from games works. |
| 19:09.31 | nabblet | i was suggested to backport the kernel, but since the games play sound correctly, i don# |
| 19:09.37 | luichi | mumpitze1: when i run os-prober in the chrooted machine i get http://pastebin.com/Sk0tpYfV |
| 19:09.42 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: do you have a recent videocard with hdmi? |
| 19:09.43 | nabblet | don't think that's the solution |
| 19:10.07 | nabblet | mumpitze1: no. i use a lenovo ideapad s12 - it's surely 4 or 5 years old i guess |
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| 19:10.09 | mumpitze1 | luichi: cause you haven't mounted proc and dev inside the chroot |
| 19:10.21 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: it's very much hdmi capable |
| 19:10.39 | nabblet | mumpitze1: i don't haave any hdmi ports |
| 19:10.39 | luichi | i have to mount dev and proc in the chrooted machine? |
| 19:10.41 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: you might have 2 soundcards: one via hdmi the other via hda-intel |
| 19:10.49 | nabblet | mumpitze1: how can i check? |
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| 19:10.53 | luichi | mumpitze1: or outside? |
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| 19:11.42 | eristisk | I installed Debian on a Samsung 830 SSD but I am geting terrible read/write performance on all benchmarks with it, on both unenecrypted NTFS partition on it as well as my encrypted btrfs partition. |
| 19:11.52 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:11.54 | eristisk | I can't even run aptitude without waiting *several minutes* for the package cache to be read |
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| 19:12.08 | mumpitze1 | luichi: follow the dpkg fixboot factoid |
| 19:12.19 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok |
| 19:12.28 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: what cpu? |
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| 19:12.42 | nabblet | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/65052/ |
| 19:12.48 | eristisk | mumpitze1: AMD Phenom II X4 945 |
| 19:12.57 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: so you know you only have one |
| 19:13.02 | nabblet | yes |
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| 19:13.21 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: ntfs always this slow and with btrfs the encryption will slow you down massively |
| 19:13.28 | jelly-home | eristisk: which fs type are you using for the / and /var mountpoints? |
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| 19:14.14 | eristisk | mumpitze1: I run Debian on the exact same SSD on my laptop (Samsung 830 512GB) and it works perfectly on encrypted btrfs |
| 19:14.28 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok i runned os-prober and update-grub |
| 19:14.30 | luichi | mumpitze1: thats all? |
| 19:14.48 | eristisk | jelly-home: I do not have separate /var it is all on / using btrfs |
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| 19:14.56 | nabblet | mumpitze1: if i use headphones the problem persists => it's not the speakers |
| 19:15.01 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: I am dead certain your lapto doesn't have a X4 945. it's not the SSD that is slow. it's your CPU |
| 19:15.31 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: what laptop cpu is it? |
| 19:15.52 | jelly-home | eristisk: btrfs is alpha quality. Can you tested with a more conservative fs type like ext4? |
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| 19:16.17 | nabblet | !pulse-audio |
| 19:16.23 | nabblet | !pulseaudio |
| 19:16.23 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:16.25 | eristisk | You think a quad-core 3.0GHz CPU is incapable of writing 350MB/s to disk? That's nuts. |
| 19:16.41 | mumpitze1 | no it can't encrypt that fast |
| 19:16.57 | luichi | mumpitze1: i runned os-prober and update-grub thats all? |
| 19:17.02 | eristisk | Well my laptop has a dual-core 1.9GHz intel |
| 19:17.19 | eristisk | mumpitze1: I think you vastly overestimate the CPU power required to encrypt data to disk |
| 19:17.39 | eristisk | jelly-home: I can bootinto windows and test it's write capability to the NTFS partition? |
| 19:17.41 | mumpitze1 | luichi: check with blkid and looking at grub.conf if now the uuid for your root filesystem matches |
| 19:17.54 | eristisk | I've never had Debian feel this slow, and I always use the same dm-crypt settings |
| 19:18.08 | eristisk | Even starting my display manager takes 10-15 seconds |
| 19:18.08 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: your intel probably has AES-NI. your phenom does not |
| 19:18.38 | eristisk | mumpitze1: I don't even use AES as m block cipher, stop speculating incorrectly that my quad-core desktop CPU cannot handle disk crypto, because it can. |
| 19:18.50 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: good luck then |
| 19:18.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nabblet about msg the bot |
| 19:19.03 | eristisk | I've installed Debian multiple times on this CPU with the same dm-crypt settings and it was fine. |
| 19:19.04 | luichi | mumpitze1: to check grub.conf i have to do this in the chroot or live cd? |
| 19:19.19 | mumpitze1 | luichi: no matter |
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| 19:19.27 | mumpitze1 | as long as you check the right file |
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| 19:20.48 | luichi | mumpitze1: the uuid matches |
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| 19:20.58 | mumpitze1 | luichi: then you should be good to go this time |
| 19:21.11 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok i will try and i will tell you |
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| 19:23.01 | jelly-home | eristisk: sounds reasonable |
| 19:23.32 | eristisk | jelly-home: To test the SSD under Winblows? |
| 19:23.50 | foureyes779 | lol |
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| 19:24.05 | jelly-home | eristisk: yes |
| 19:25.03 | eristisk | jelly-home: Unless I can shrink this btrfs partition in order to make a new ext4... btrfs should support that I think |
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| 19:26.36 | jelly-home | my i3-540 could handle about 200MB/s to a luks crypto device sustained with 70% of a single core used. Its replacement i5-660 with aes-ni support eats some 5x less cpu |
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| 19:27.07 | jelly-home | (the backend ssd can do 280MB/s natively) |
| 19:27.57 | eristisk | jelly-home: I was just using old crappy OCZ SSDs before this Samsung 830 upgrade, but I have never had any issue with the performance feeling so slow. |
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| 19:28.11 | eristisk | The display manager takes ages and aptitude takes well over 10 minutes to even load |
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| 19:28.35 | luichi | mumpitze1: debian doesn't boot. i get the same error |
| 19:28.37 | jelly-home | my wild-ass bet would be on "btrfs is not for production usage, do not be silly" |
| 19:28.46 | nabblet | mumpitze1: ok. i rebooted, seems like aplay is the problem. rhythmbox plays the sounds perfectly fine |
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| 19:29.01 | eristisk | jelly-home: Shouldn't I be able to write to the NTFS parition at normal speed then, even from Debian? |
| 19:29.09 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: try aplay as root? |
| 19:29.21 | jelly-home | eristisk: that goes over a FUSE driver, doesn't it |
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| 19:29.52 | eristisk | Yes |
| 19:30.05 | jelly-home | eristisk: if you get a license for Tuxera's kernel-based ntfs driver, I bet it would perform better |
| 19:30.06 | nabblet | mumpitze1: same problem. sound get's replay as white noise |
| 19:30.30 | nabblet | mumpitze1: is aplay using pulseadio or is it bypassing it maybe? |
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| 19:30.55 | eristisk | jelly-home: ntfs.3g process takes 80% of one CPU core when I run dd to make a file on the NTFS partition from /dev/zero |
| 19:31.08 | eristisk | But when I make it on th btrfs partiton, dd takes only ~16% of one core |
| 19:31.10 | mumpitze1 | nabblet: I don#t know |
| 19:31.26 | mumpitze1 | that's already 15% too much |
| 19:31.32 | eristisk | Both are terribly slower than it should be. |
| 19:31.42 | eristisk | mumpitze1: Regardless, nothing here is CPU limited. |
| 19:32.08 | nabblet | me neither, tbh if aplay is the problem i don't care so much... i rarely use it. i'll see my clicknoises and instant-shutdowns re-happen |
| 19:32.13 | mumpitze1 | eristisk: check your kernel logs and hdparm how the disk is attached |
| 19:32.29 | eristisk | Kernel logs with dmesg? |
| 19:32.44 | luichi | mumpitze1: debian doesn't boot. i get the same error |
| 19:32.58 | mumpitze1 | luichi: what is the partition your debian is on? |
| 19:33.26 | luichi | mumpitze1: /dev/sda4 |
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| 19:34.11 | mumpitze1 | luichi: then use this instead of the UUID |
| 19:34.46 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok but i have to edit grub.conf and run update-grub no? |
| 19:34.58 | eristisk | mumpitze1: Not sure what hdparm options would be helpful, and dmesg shows nothing out of the ordinary when grepping for sda |
| 19:34.59 | mumpitze1 | no, you must not run update-grub. only edit |
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| 19:35.12 | jordanm | update-grub overwrites grub.conf, never edit it directly |
| 19:35.20 | Gregor_ | can annyone tell me how to add a User to vsftpd? |
| 19:35.24 | jordanm | your changes will be overwritten on kernel upgrades |
| 19:35.25 | Gregor_ | to log in |
| 19:36.01 | mumpitze1 | jordanm: it will. but for him update-grub causes his system not to boot... |
| 19:36.27 | mumpitze1 | Gregor_: system or virtual? |
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| 19:37.02 | jordanm | mumpitze1: he needs to make his change in /etc/default/grub |
| 19:37.14 | luichi | mumpitze1: what i have to edit here? http://pastebin.com/y1XS63Ds |
| 19:37.22 | mumpitze1 | jordanm: not yet |
| 19:37.29 | Gregor_ | whats the difference? |
| 19:37.34 | luichi | mumpitze1: i know you said uuid but i don't know what lines i have to change |
| 19:38.20 | mumpitze1 | luichi: line 5 and 6 |
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| 19:40.29 | luichi | mumpitze1: now is correct http://pastebin.com/T86Q438J? |
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| 19:40.52 | mumpitze1 | luichi: looks good yes. |
| 19:40.52 | Guest58225 | cals |
| 19:40.55 | luichi | mumpitze1: sorry http://pastebin.com/T86Q438J |
| 19:40.57 | Guest58225 | ciao |
| 19:41.01 | Guest58225 | !list |
| 19:41.01 | dpkg | guest58225: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 19:41.02 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok i will restard and tell you |
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| 19:42.06 | Gregor_ | A system user is the user i have to log in at boot up! |
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| 19:42.17 | Gregor_ | Is that right? |
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| 19:42.45 | Gregor_ | If so i want to make a virtual! |
| 19:43.50 | Kobaz | soooooo, what can i do if resume from suspend-to-ram leads to no video (but a functional system otherewise) |
| 19:44.44 | vectr0n | random question, when you have 8 cores, can the load average go into the 7's w/o issues? |
| 19:44.45 | mumpitze1 | Gregor_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vsftpd+virtual+users then |
| 19:44.49 | mumpitze1 | tons of howtos out there |
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| 19:45.22 | Gregor_ | haha how funny |
| 19:45.34 | Gregor_ | I dont tried that yet, nooooooooooooo! |
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| 19:45.50 | luichi | mumpitze1: it doesn't boot, it says /dev/sda4 doesn't exist |
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| 19:46.11 | mtn | Kobaz: I would look at graphics drivers |
| 19:46.49 | mumpitze1 | luichi: fdisk -l ? |
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| 19:48.43 | mumpitze1 | Gregor_: why haven't you looked at the documentation? /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/examples/VIRTUAL_USERS/README.gz |
| 19:50.00 | foureyes779 | Any DebianPPC users around ? |
| 19:50.36 | Kobaz | mtn: using intel |
| 19:50.41 | Kobaz | mtn: this happens both in x and console |
| 19:50.56 | luichi | mumpitze1: i used mount and see debian is on /dev/sda4 |
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| 19:53.33 | mtn | Kobaz: could try a newer kernel. which version of debian are you on? |
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| 19:57.33 | luichi | mumpitze1: i used mount and see debian is on /dev/sda4 |
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| 20:03.31 | Kobaz | mtn: i'm on wheezy, but my kernel is 3.12 |
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| 20:08.17 | mtn | Kobaz: how did it work with the normal kernel? |
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| 20:16.34 | julius | hi |
| 20:16.44 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: Which release? |
| 20:16.50 | mumpitze1 | luichi: I asked for the fdisk output |
| 20:16.54 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: lag, sorry. |
| 20:17.06 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:17.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 20:17.12 | julius | ive got a laptop with a i3 380m, what do i need to get "acpi -t" to show me cpu temperatures and fan speed? |
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| 20:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: What happens with the stable kernel? |
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| 20:17.58 | luichi | mumpitze1: http://pastebin.com/GkE3SkuC |
| 20:18.09 | JordiGH | What was the name of the new init system that took a long time to happen? The makefile-like init? |
| 20:18.27 | jhutchins_wk | julius: Try installing/configuring lm_sensors |
| 20:18.30 | jelly-home | julius: load the coretemp kernel module to get CPU temperatures with "sensors" command |
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| 20:19.02 | jelly-home | fans are different, and it will depend on the sensor chip and/or laptop model |
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| 20:19.30 | mumpitze1 | luichi: you have a very strange layout |
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| 20:19.43 | julius | jhutchins_wk, already did that, it detected coretemp but nothing else, |
| 20:19.48 | luichi | mumpitze1: i have kali linux installed and debian installed and swap partition |
| 20:19.50 | JordiGH | I mean, I know my Debian system right now does concurrent booting and it didn't a few years ago. And now there's talk of systemd, that sounds to me like Makefile-style booting. |
| 20:19.52 | jaami_ | i could not find package for Epiphany |
| 20:20.08 | JordiGH | So... what is it doing now, what is it called? It's just a more streamlined sysv init? |
| 20:20.11 | mumpitze1 | luichi: and what bootloader does kali use? |
| 20:20.12 | julius | jelly-home, coretemp is loaded. temperature is working but still sensors does display no fan speeds |
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| 20:20.29 | jelly-home | julius: yeah, that's where things gets complicated |
| 20:20.30 | luichi | mumpitze1: grub as it is debian based |
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| 20:21.10 | jelly-home | julius: you can try running sensors-detect as root (in other words, <jhutchins_wk> julius: Try installing/configuring lm_sensors) |
| 20:21.12 | jaami_ | can someone let me know the package name for Epiphany |
| 20:21.29 | jhutchins_wk | jaami_: The game or the browser? |
| 20:21.48 | jaami_ | the browser jhutchins_wk |
| 20:22.32 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions ephiphany-browser |
| 20:22.34 | judd | No package named 'ephiphany-browser' was found in i386. |
| 20:23.14 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions epiphany-browser |
| 20:23.15 | judd | Package: epiphany-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.2-2.1; jessie: 3.8.2-3; sid: 3.8.2-4; experimental: 3.10.1-1 |
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| 20:24.17 | ironm | Hello. It looks like git repo of debian has some problems |
| 20:24.17 | jaami_ | there is no package with ephiphany-browser |
| 20:24.26 | ironm | git clone git://anonscm.debian.org/users/eric/gnupg2.git |
| 20:24.30 | jhutchins_wk | jaami_: Spell it correctly. |
| 20:24.33 | ironm | remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side |
| 20:24.39 | ironm | fatal: early EOF |
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| 20:26.14 | jaami_ | i found the browser here https://projects.gnome.org/epiphany/index.html |
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| 20:27.05 | JordiGH | Is the makefile-init of Debian of legend just systemd? |
| 20:27.28 | forcer | JordiGH: No |
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| 20:28.14 | Ogre_ | a |
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| 20:28.28 | JordiGH | "Debian from wheezy improves the SysV-style init by ordering the boot sequence with LSB header and starting boot scripts in parallel. " |
| 20:28.31 | JordiGH | Ah. |
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| 20:29.00 | JordiGH | It's still sysv but just with some improvements, eh? |
| 20:29.02 | luichi | mumpitze1: so what i have to do? |
| 20:29.08 | forcer | Debian's currently voting on whether they'll adopt systemd or upstart as the central init system |
| 20:29.14 | JordiGH | forcer: I know. |
| 20:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Not really. |
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| 20:29.51 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: I don't really know? |
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| 20:30.55 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: No, it's not really sysv init. |
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| 20:31.07 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: What is it called? LSBinit? |
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| 20:31.31 | mumpitze1 | luichi: how many grubs do you have installed? |
| 20:31.37 | mumpitze1 | and where? |
| 20:31.48 | luichi | mumpitze1: i think one. how can i know? |
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| 20:33.05 | JordiGH | Hm, are the /etc/init/*.conf files upstart files? |
| 20:33.12 | JordiGH | Does Debian's init use them? |
| 20:33.17 | mumpitze1 | by checking the sectors: first few of the disk and first few of every partition |
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| 20:34.45 | dupin | can I ask queation related to testing? |
| 20:35.06 | dupin | *question |
| 20:35.41 | WcktKlwn | dupin: I would say ask your question, and if someone can answer that question, they most likely will |
| 20:36.07 | luichi | mumpitze1: i dont know how to do what you said |
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| 20:36.45 | dupin | I saw that it is possible to have e17 in testing release |
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| 20:36.54 | mumpitze1 | luichi: you are supposed to have only one grub installed, not two |
| 20:37.09 | dupin | can I install just base system and after that install e17 |
| 20:37.10 | luichi | mumpitze1: yes but i dont know how many i have |
| 20:37.36 | mumpitze1 | luichi: how did you run grub-install under debian? |
| 20:37.43 | mumpitze1 | dupin: yes |
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| 20:37.56 | luichi | i installed debian and grub and the same with kali |
| 20:38.01 | mumpitze1 | dupin: just don't install anything when tasksel asks you what you want to install at the end of installaiton |
| 20:38.11 | luichi | mumpitze1: i installed grub when i installed debian |
| 20:38.16 | mumpitze1 | luichi: how did you run grub-install under debian |
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| 20:38.29 | dupin | so after finishing installation just aptitude install enlightenment |
| 20:38.31 | luichi | mumpitze1: first i installed debian and second kali |
| 20:38.31 | jhutchins_wk | luichi: Did you install kali after debian? |
| 20:38.34 | mumpitze1 | luichi: you did install it just recently when you followed the fixboot factoid |
| 20:38.55 | luichi | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 20:39.06 | foureyes779 | Any DebPPC gurus around ? |
| 20:39.10 | mumpitze1 | luichi: if you never ran grub-install, most probably your kali grub is getting the wrong info and causing your probelms since the kali grub is running |
| 20:39.22 | mumpitze1 | foureyes779: always ask your real question |
| 20:39.28 | mumpitze1 | foureyes779: and /msg dpkg ppc |
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| 20:39.36 | luichi | mumpitze1: i installed kali later but the error i get i got it also before installing kali |
| 20:39.45 | dupin | maybe I will try it in vbox to see how will it goes :) |
| 20:40.11 | foureyes779 | mumpitze1: tnx |
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| 20:41.01 | foureyes779 | Looking for a Radeon video fix for PPC. |
| 20:41.27 | bandwith_ | foureyes779: what specific hardware? |
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| 20:41.52 | foureyes779 | 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV250/M9 GL [Mobility FireGL 9000/Radeon 9000] (rev 01) |
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| 20:42.15 | gerbs | how is software called that runs on a server (Apache, SQL, etc. I guess) and lets one upload files via a web interface? Much like omploader once did. |
| 20:42.22 | foureyes779 | Linux Th3r0nzMac 3.10-3-powerpc #1 Debian 3.10.11-1 (2013-09-10) ppc GNU/Linux |
| 20:42.47 | mumpitze1 | foureyes779: radeon should support it, no? |
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| 20:44.17 | foureyes779 | mumpitze1: I get "DRM report modesetting is supported" and it segfaults |
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| 20:45.14 | abrotman | foureyes779: your kernel is out of date it seems |
| 20:45.18 | abrotman | foureyes779: or you're not using Debian |
| 20:45.46 | foureyes779 | abrotman: DebianPPC on a PowerBook G4 |
| 20:45.58 | bandwith_ | have you tried building an x.org config file with the correct modelines ? |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | I said two things ... |
| 20:46.39 | foureyes779 | bandwith_: yes, using X -configure. Thats what gives the error. |
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| 20:47.33 | abrotman | foureyes779: your kernel is still out of date. When is the last time you did a package upgrade? |
| 20:47.37 | madez | I'm trying to install Debian on my machine and I'm experiencing troubles. First I tried to install with a netinst image. The installation process went fine till the partitioning step. I wanted to configure a raid0 with my OCZ Revodrive's disks. After creating the raid0 in the installer, it didn't show up in the overview of my partitions. The partitions on the Revodisk discs were marked as linux raid, though. To investigate the problem I tried |
| 20:47.37 | madez | to start the Debian livecd. However, the Debian livecd doesn't boot with default stettings. It gets stuck with a black screen. The failsafe option of the livecd shows me a kernel Call Trace. How to debug these problems? |
| 20:48.07 | foureyes779 | abrotman: two days ago. It was working until I updated/upgraded. |
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| 20:49.23 | bandwith_ | foureyes779: I'm at a loss. I recall having to do some KMS options/flags.... haven't touched PPC personally in years |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | so check what has changed, check the BTS |
| 20:49.36 | abrotman | I've had all sorts of issues with PPC |
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| 20:50.06 | foureyes779 | abrotman: whats funny is the video stopped working, but the built in wireless started working......go figure eh ? |
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| 20:51.02 | bandwith_ | mumbles something about #debianppc |
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| 20:51.43 | madez | After some time the system says that there is a stall on CPU 0 and it sends a NMI to all CPU's |
| 20:51.48 | bandwith_ | foureyes779: there is 3.12-rc7 in experimental... |
| 20:51.59 | abrotman | madez: and what does this cause to happen? |
| 20:52.15 | madez | abrotman, I don't know at all. Fedora and Opensuse work. |
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| 20:52.41 | madez | I don't even know how to debug that problem. Thats why I'm asking for help-. |
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| 20:53.07 | lowtux | hello, someone have a link to a configuration for a laptop with only shell, but very optimised for the batterie ( i lwould like my processor no run 100% all the time) ? |
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| 20:53.37 | leo-unglaub | hey guys ... do you have some tips for installing debian on a mac book without keeping mac in the hdd for that EFI shit |
| 20:53.43 | leo-unglaub | i want it to be gone complete |
| 20:54.02 | madez | abrotman, the message is INFO: rcu_sched detected stall on CPU 0 (t=105060 jiffies) |
| 20:54.08 | madez | and then: sending NMI to all CPUs: |
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| 20:54.25 | madez | And then the Call Trace comes again |
| 20:54.59 | mumpitze1 | leo-unglaub: you always need EFI |
| 20:55.01 | bandwith_ | !de |
| 20:55.02 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:55.19 | leo-unglaub | mumpitze1: but do i need the mac EFI or can i use the grub style thing? |
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| 20:55.43 | mumpitze1 | leo-unglaub: you will need rEFIt or rEFIned afaik. always |
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| 20:56.00 | mumpitze1 | leo-unglaub: the mac efi is the firmware. you cannot get rid of it |
| 20:56.25 | leo-unglaub | mumpitze1: but what about the EFIBoot partition, is that also part of the firmware??? |
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| 20:57.19 | madez | abrotman, I will try no Debian testing. |
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| 20:57.41 | madez | now* |
| 20:57.49 | abrotman | madez: seems like a horrible idea, good luck |
| 20:58.11 | madez | Do you have a better suggestions? |
| 20:58.25 | madez | suggestion* |
| 20:58.34 | abrotman | I asked you why it was a problem |
| 20:59.03 | madez | What are you talking about? |
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| 21:00.10 | mumpitze1 | leo-unglaub: yes it is. EFI |
| 21:00.19 | madez | Sorry, I don't understand what you are refering to, abrotman. |
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| 21:01.54 | luichi | mumpitze1: how i solve the problem? |
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| 21:02.22 | mumpitze1 | !tell luichi about fixboot |
| 21:02.26 | abrotman | madez: you said you have a warnning message, I asked why it's a problem |
| 21:03.10 | luichi | mumpitze1: i think i done this |
| 21:03.21 | madez | abrotman, are you refering to the Call Trace? |
| 21:03.38 | luichi | grub-install /dev/whatever is grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 21:03.49 | madez | Debian testing netinst doesn't recognize the raid 0 neither. |
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| 21:04.02 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 21:04.10 | abrotman | gives up with madez |
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| 21:05.39 | abrotman | madez: don't msg me, keep it in the channel |
| 21:06.03 | madez | Ok. Sorry, but I don't know what warning message you are refering to. Can you explain it to me? |
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| 21:06.15 | abrotman | you pasted it in here .. i tried to help, good luck |
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| 21:07.10 | madez | ah, you are refering to the CPU stall? Well, I said the Call Trace comes again. The ultimate consequence is the system doesn't boot. |
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| 21:09.14 | luichi | mumpitze1: ok i've done all what dpkg help says |
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| 21:11.22 | madez | Trisquel, Fedora and opensuse boot fine, so it seems not to be a hardware issue. |
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| 21:14.15 | jaami_ | setting JAP proxy but getting error when configure. the port 4001 is i use by some other program or may be firewall is blocking JAP, how do i check if it is firewall or port? |
| 21:15.36 | ecksDEE | Where do I submit information about package version incompatabilities and such |
| 21:16.34 | luichi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.09 | mumpitze1 | luichi: I dunno :( |
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| 21:19.33 | luichi | mumpitze1: i think i will reinstall debian because i dont find the solution of the problem |
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| 21:20.06 | FreezingCold | [16:19:52] * Cannot join #debian-arm (Channel is invite only) |
| 21:20.11 | FreezingCold | Any reason why it's invite only? |
| 21:20.51 | mumpitze1 | try oftc |
| 21:21.12 | xand | FreezingCold: if you're already in ##debian-arm (two hashes) you'll get that message. |
| 21:21.18 | xand | assuming there's a forward from one to the other |
| 21:21.35 | FreezingCold | xand: oops. |
| 21:21.35 | folial | hello everybody! anyone solved troubles of google-earth and panoramio photos in debian wheezy? |
| 21:21.52 | FreezingCold | xand: one of the docs I was reading had only had one # |
| 21:22.06 | jaami_ | wversions ephiphany-browser |
| 21:22.18 | jaami_ | versions ephiphany-browser |
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| 21:23.34 | abrotman | jaami_: that package doesn't exist, you were already told that at least twice |
| 21:23.43 | abrotman | jaami_: packages.debian.org/epiphany-browser |
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| 21:24.15 | jaami_ | oh thanks, i could not understand it before |
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| 21:25.09 | abrotman | yeah, because "you misspelled the package name, here's the correct name" is vague |
| 21:25.57 | jaami_ | oh okay, thanks |
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| 21:29.48 | babilen | FreezingCold: The channel is, with the rest of the official channels, on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on Freenode |
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| 21:36.55 | jaami_ | JAP is easy to configure? |
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| 21:39.08 | abrotman | jaami_: does it have documentation? |
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| 21:40.50 | jaami_ | abrotman, yes , eror says either a firewall blocking JAP or the port is used by some other program |
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| 21:42.38 | jaami_ | abrotman, i think i should read docs before asking question on JAP. |
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| 21:46.11 | abrotman | jaami_: good plan |
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| 21:47.52 | jenia | hello |
| 21:47.58 | jenia | i want to pin a package like so: |
| 21:48.13 | jenia | package: emacs24 |
| 21:48.13 | jenia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.13 | jenia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.35 | jenia | and also i added this: |
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| 21:48.45 | jenia | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 21:48.47 | jenia | to the sources.list |
| 21:49.04 | nabblet | !xdefaults |
| 21:49.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 21:49.07 | jenia | what i thought this will do is that only the packages concerning emacs24 will be changed |
| 21:49.24 | dvs | jenia: nope |
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| 21:49.36 | abrotman | watches this break badly |
| 21:49.46 | jenia | so how do i pin the emacs24 package |
| 21:49.56 | jenia | i want to use only emacs24 from testing |
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| 21:50.02 | dvs | !tell jenia about backports |
| 21:50.12 | jenia | emacs24 doesnt work for me |
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| 21:50.32 | jenia | from the backport |
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| 21:51.20 | jenia | it wants to install some library thats unavailable |
| 21:51.21 | jenia | Depends: libmagickcore3 (>= 8:6.6.0.4) but it is not installable |
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| 21:52.32 | abrotman | jenia: please stop hitting enter every fourth word, it's annoying |
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| 21:58.04 | pirret | abrotman: please stop whining about everything, it's annoying |
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| 21:59.21 | jenia | lol |
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| 21:59.38 | nonconvergent | pirret: Buh bye. |
| 21:59.40 | abrotman | pirret: please /part |
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| 22:04.31 | FreezingCold | babilen: Wow, this is one of the largest unofficial channels I've ever seen |
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| 22:05.00 | nonconvergent | FreezingCold: It has more to do with the popularity of Freenode, I think. |
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| 22:09.19 | Gregor_ | why isnt the newest version of vsftpd on debian? |
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| 22:09.32 | dvs | !sns |
| 22:09.33 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 22:12.00 | decimal | why would my system reject 2048bit RSA2 ssh keys? |
| 22:12.57 | abrotman | decimal: reject in what way? |
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| 22:13.47 | decimal | I generated a key with ssh-keygen -t rsa, downloaded the private key to my local machine, converted it to a putty key, and my remote host won't accept it |
| 22:14.22 | nonconvergent | decimal: is it in your remote host's authorized_keys file? |
| 22:14.29 | decimal | yes |
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| 22:15.24 | abrotman | are you sure it's not putty's fault? |
| 22:15.36 | decimal | could be. but what am I doing wrong with putty? |
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| 22:15.51 | decimal | perhaps the "load" option is inappropriate? |
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| 22:16.08 | P4z | Hello |
| 22:17.28 | decimal | I have a 1023 bit key that works, but this 2048 bit key does not |
| 22:17.49 | nonconvergent | 1023bits? |
| 22:17.51 | P4z | is there any way to clear apt-get queue from previous invocations of apt-get install? at the moment I cannot install anything because apt-get fails due to unmet dependencies from previous invocations. I would like to undo apt state that is a result of previously invoked install command so I can do other installs |
| 22:18.00 | P4z | apt-get clean does not help |
| 22:18.12 | nonconvergent | decimal: That can depend on how the receiving server is setup. |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | P4z: pastebin is probably pretty helpful |
| 22:19.03 | aypea[3] | p4z: either uninstall what needs the dependencies, install all the dependencies or just try apt-get -f install |
| 22:19.38 | P4z | ok, let's make it step by step as the issue is quite complex and recent tries are not clean |
| 22:19.56 | P4z | apt suggested me doing apt-get -f install, so below the result |
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| 22:20.56 | P4z | http://wklej.org/id/1173597/ |
| 22:21.44 | P4z | i found that data.tar.xz is not supported in dpkg version older than 1.15 |
| 22:21.48 | P4z | mine is older |
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| 22:22.01 | abrotman | P4z: your sources.list are messed up, i can already tell |
| 22:22.02 | P4z | i even have newer dpkg deb but it fails installing! |
| 22:22.04 | decimal | nonconvergent what sorts of things can I check for? |
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| 22:22.15 | nonconvergent | I dunno. |
| 22:22.16 | P4z | abrotman: i know, but I'm not the owner of the host |
| 22:22.24 | abrotman | P4z: it's still *really* messed up |
| 22:22.40 | P4z | abrotman: we want testing, but our binaries are different versions |
| 22:22.50 | abrotman | P4z: you're on squeeze, you can't go straight to testing |
| 22:22.53 | P4z | what is the best way to cleanup without messing up dependencies? |
| 22:22.56 | abrotman | or some mutant squeeze |
| 22:22.59 | abrotman | go to wheezy first |
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| 22:23.07 | P4z | we currently use this host to develeope cpp programs |
| 22:23.51 | P4z | and I know on the other hosts where I have no issue with apt-get my colleagues cannot build new branch of software but can on the one with apt-get errors |
| 22:24.13 | P4z | I;m affraid that they will lost possibility to build that after I cleanup this host |
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| 22:24.37 | P4z | but I guess this is a very first step to start for making everything usual |
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| 22:24.57 | aypea[3] | p4z: are you upgrading from one version of debian to another? |
| 22:25.16 | P4z | no, I'm just trying to install znc package from current repo, that is all i need |
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| 22:25.39 | P4z | building from source requries libssl-dev which made the whole situation |
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| 22:25.49 | decimal | hey folks. how would I verify whether if something is broken with my ssh setup? |
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| 22:26.03 | decimal | I cannot generate new keys in puttygen for some reason |
| 22:26.06 | abrotman | P4z: i'm telling you, you cannot go straight to testing |
| 22:26.08 | P4z | can i just clean apt-get queue from previous install invokations? |
| 22:26.18 | aypea[3] | cos, well... you're running squeeze/sid (or sid). if that was recent it'd be jessie/sid, no? you're about 2 debian "versions" of sid behind. |
| 22:26.19 | palsec | hello guys. could somebody tell me what debian 7.2 installs when i select "laptop" but deselect "desktop environment" in the software installer? |
| 22:26.28 | P4z | abrotman: ok, upgrade is another topic as far as I see |
| 22:26.32 | aypea[3] | or testing. damn. versions of testing. |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | palsec: man tasksel |
| 22:26.43 | abrotman | P4z: aptitude -f install |
| 22:26.54 | palsec | man tasksel how? from within the installer? |
| 22:27.00 | P4z | is aptitude -f different than apt-get -f? |
| 22:27.07 | palsec | my goodness. and me idiot comes back to this place |
| 22:27.11 | palsec | i should have known better |
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| 22:27.19 | P4z | got more output |
| 22:27.23 | P4z | trying out... |
| 22:28.07 | P4z | got some errors twice already: http://wklej.org/id/1173603/ |
| 22:28.25 | P4z | 282 packages upgraded, 100 newly installed, 92 to remove and 35 not upgraded. |
| 22:28.25 | P4z | Need to get 120MB/145MB of archives. After unpacking 245MB will be freed. |
| 22:28.33 | P4z | this will upgrade damn everything |
| 22:28.39 | P4z | risky step |
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| 22:28.51 | aypea[3] | you asked for it by mixing deb versions :) |
| 22:29.06 | P4z | ok, good to know what I stand on, more or less |
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| 22:33.58 | abrotman | P4z: you can say 'n' and try another option |
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| 22:37.16 | nonconvergent | So I like to wire up my laptop in certain areas on campus where ethernet jacks are more plentiful than the wireless signal. But network-manager doesn't appear to give up the inteface when I turn off wireless and plug into the ethernet |
| 22:39.00 | nabblet | hi, if i ask dpkg about Xresources it says i should RTFM - but i don't have man pages for it :/ |
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| 22:40.50 | P4z | abrotman: did I miss any other option? :P |
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| 22:41.06 | P4z | also, how to reset apt-get state to clean? |
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| 22:41.26 | abrotman | nabblet: that's a response when it doesn't know what you're asking it |
| 22:41.45 | abrotman | P4z: i'm saying if you do aptitude -f install, you can cycle through options |
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| 22:42.13 | nabblet | abrotman: well, i'm looking for more info on Xresources and in the best case a vanilla default file I can use to modify |
| 22:42.14 | decimal | where would I go to get help regarding a problem I'm having with ssh keys in debian? |
| 22:42.41 | abrotman | decimal: here |
| 22:42.43 | P4z | aha, the first question was whether to Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] will see the other, thanks for this |
| 22:43.49 | mtn | nabblet: you can find man pages on the internet too: http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.1/doc/X.7.html |
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| 22:44.56 | decimal | abrotman & co: 'm having a problem using an ssh key (converted to a putty key) that I generated with ssh-keygen -t rsa. specifically, I get "No supported authenticationmethods available (public key)" when trying to ssh in with the newly generated key. I have another 1023 bit key that works fine on this server. However, this is a 2048b key |
| 22:45.01 | P4z | installing NEW package of libssl1.0.0{a} is something I would like to avoid as it influences ssh deamon that I am using for accessing the server. I have no way to access KVM or the machine physically. d'oh |
| 22:45.31 | nabblet | mtn: thanks for the hint |
| 22:45.43 | mtn | nabblet: yw |
| 22:45.45 | abrotman | decimal: i already asked you a question, hwich you ignored |
| 22:45.51 | aypea[3] | p4z: it wont kill your current connection. |
| 22:45.56 | aypea[3] | least it never has for me. |
| 22:45.57 | decimal | abrotman sorry. didn't see it. sec |
| 22:45.59 | nabblet | abrotman: ah ok, dind't know that. tought it meant what it said: read the obvious manual :P |
| 22:46.36 | decimal | abrotman yes, a 1023 bit key |
| 22:46.45 | decimal | I have no idea how it ended up as 1023 bits |
| 22:46.56 | decimal | however, this new key is 2048 |
| 22:47.13 | decimal | is there a configuration optionin openssh that I can set to allow larger keys? |
| 22:48.59 | P4z | hope no restart required, can't find kernel or linux in upgrade/install secion |
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| 22:50.05 | azizLIGHTS | what do lines 7, 8, and 9 do in /etc/network/interfaces : http://paste.debian.net/65077/ |
| 22:50.15 | decimal | abrotman any thoughts? |
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| 22:54.11 | moondog | general question for y'all. If I did like a netinstall of a debian base system. then chose to install openbox. I'm thinking that would install the xorg dependencies and stuff. but that would not necessarily give me all the pieces I'd need for a functioning GUI. I would have to piece together all the other little bits? or would the openbox install give me some goodies along with it? |
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| 22:55.43 | decimal | nothing, huh? |
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| 22:55.54 | babilen | moondog: Install Xorg first, then openbox. See <install x> and <openbox> for details. (/msg dpkg install x) |
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| 22:56.08 | moondog | babilen: thank you :) |
| 22:56.16 | P4z | almost each aptitude -f suggestion proposes me to remove things like ifupdown, klogd or openssh-server. that is something that I don't want. seems going to latest testing would be a solution. |
| 22:56.54 | P4z | can I use older versions of stuff (maybe paealell to current) in case of being at testing level of OS? |
| 22:57.06 | P4z | s/paealell/paralell |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | decimal: that wasn't what I asked ? |
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| 22:57.46 | abrotman | P4z: DONOT GO STRAIGHT TO TESTING |
| 22:57.48 | abrotman | for the 10th time |
| 22:58.00 | decimal | abrotman are you sure it's not putty's fault?: how would I verify that? |
| 22:58.01 | P4z | yes, using weezy inbetween :) |
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| 22:58.27 | foureyes779 | lol |
| 22:58.51 | P4z | appreciate your highlights, abrotman. they ARE required as I use to smoke thc most of my free time, e.g. at now :p |
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| 22:59.07 | abrotman | decimal: try this from a linux system, not from windows |
| 22:59.36 | decimal | abrotman ok. give me a sec |
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| 23:01.14 | user | hello, my laptop heats up a lot, im only using terminal, what else can i do to keep it cool? |
| 23:01.29 | P4z | user: hi |
| 23:01.55 | user | hello P4z |
| 23:01.56 | P4z | do you use terminal on X server or just plain pty/1? |
| 23:02.10 | user | im using tty with gdm disabled |
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| 23:03.02 | P4z | I had an issue with high temperature when not using GPU drivers and running X server, but this is probably not your case n:P |
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| 23:03.22 | user | P4z: HAHAH what should i do? |
| 23:03.36 | P4z | investigate what hardware makes heat |
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| 23:03.43 | P4z | then investigate why it happens to be so :P |
| 23:03.44 | user | how? |
| 23:03.50 | P4z | don't look at me now |
| 23:03.55 | P4z | i would start frop top or htop :P |
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| 23:04.30 | P4z | heat is used to be generated by processors like CPU or GPU, or maybe a PSU unit? :P |
| 23:06.16 | P4z | or your fans are simply damaged, or the sensor provides wrong reads making your fans spinning too low, investigate your situtation |
| 23:06.47 | musca | the free radeon driver needs firmware-linux-nonfree for power managment, also latest kernels include new powermanagement features. |
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| 23:08.48 | user | P4z: i know the sensors arent damaged but how do i know about the sensor? |
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| 23:09.20 | user | i was thinking about disabling some startup services, which ones should i disable?¡ |
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| 23:11.26 | koshie_ | Hi |
| 23:12.35 | user | P4z: which services do you recommend disabling? |
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| 23:24.34 | kandinski | I'm upgrading a remote host from squeeze to wheezy, and I got this error: paste.lisp.org/display/139862 |
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| 23:24.49 | foureyes779 | Anyone know a workaround for Radeon video cards and DRM on DebianPPC computers ? |
| 23:24.50 | kandinski | I've tried `apt-get install -f`, also purging locales, to no avail |
| 23:25.58 | jenia | does this mean that the installation went well but some "post-installation" script returned an error? |
| 23:26.02 | abrotman | kandinski: apt-get update ? |
| 23:26.10 | kandinski | abrotman: done it several times |
| 23:26.20 | jenia | subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 23:26.20 | jenia | ? |
| 23:26.51 | aypea[3] | kandinski: try installing libc-bin? |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | might want to try aptitude |
| 23:27.32 | aypea[3] | always does a minimal install first. apt, dpkg and locales. then a full one once that succeeds. |
| 23:27.32 | kandinski | aypea[3]: libc-bin is already the newest version. |
| 23:28.02 | kandinski | yes, trying aptitude upgrade |
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| 23:28.53 | aypea[3] | kandinski: apt-cache policy libc6? |
| 23:29.10 | kandinski | aypea[3]: what would that do? |
| 23:29.17 | kandinski | I had cleaned up the cache, btw |
| 23:29.22 | kandinski | with clean |
| 23:29.46 | aypea[3] | it'll show you where it's trying to suck it down from, if it is. |
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| 23:30.29 | kandinski | aha |
| 23:30.43 | aypea[3] | aha? :) |
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