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| 00:08.01 | roman_ | Hi guys. I have installed Debian 7 on VMware player. |
| 00:08.43 | roman_ | And have little trouble. Gnome 3 starts at the falback mode |
| 00:09.20 | foureyes779 | Anyone know a workaround for Radeon video cards and DRM on DebianPPC computers ? |
| 00:09.34 | roman_ | I try compiling mesa, but miss some packages |
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| 00:10.15 | roman_ | xcb-dri3, xcb-present, xcb-sync |
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| 00:15.57 | roman_ | Install everything 'xkb' from synaptic) Remain two packages: xcb-dri3 and xcb-present |
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| 00:33.09 | jenia | how to find out the date when a package was added to say jessie |
| 00:33.18 | jenia | is it jessie's release? |
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| 00:33.38 | jenia | added means also updates last |
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| 00:34.38 | themill | jenia: http://packages.qa.debian.org/ |
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| 00:40.59 | nAn00k | nAn00k |
| 00:41.15 | abrotman | yes? |
| 00:41.23 | nAn00k | huh? |
| 00:42.00 | nAn00k | fds |
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| 00:42.51 | nAn00k | hi freedom run |
| 00:42.54 | dgriffi | does anyone here know why mikmod won't work after installing it on a fresh machine? |
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| 00:43.22 | nAn00k | thats pretty vague dgriffi |
| 00:43.39 | dgriffi | nAn00k: it fails to find a usable driver |
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| 00:44.18 | nAn00k | umm i dont know what that program is is it open source? look at the code and see where its searching |
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| 00:44.32 | dgriffi | nAn00k: even explicitly telling it what driver to use doesn't work. it comes back and says it's not available |
| 00:45.01 | nAn00k | beats me sorry |
| 00:45.36 | abrotman | nAn00k: do you need help with Debian? |
| 00:46.03 | nAn00k | not really why? |
| 00:46.12 | abrotman | then please be quiet |
| 00:46.16 | themill | ,bug 729058 |
| 00:46.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/729058 in mikmod (open): «mikmod: Mikmod fails to find any usable driver»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-11-08; last modified: 2013-11-08. |
| 00:46.31 | dgriffi | yep, I filed that one |
| 00:46.35 | nAn00k | who the fuck do you think you are? |
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| 00:46.57 | themill | nAn00k: please play elsewhere |
| 00:47.00 | themill | dgriffi: heh |
| 00:47.03 | dgriffi | nAn00k: you could have said something more helpful thann "look at the source code" |
| 00:47.31 | user | does anyone know how to configure links2 so i can use it with tor? |
| 00:47.34 | Derpadong | He is an idiot |
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| 00:47.52 | dgriffi | Derpadong: does he have a habit of this sort of thing? |
| 00:48.14 | Derpadong | Idk but a troll is a troll type of thing. |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | Derpadong: ignore it |
| 00:48.33 | Derpadong | I am. Don't worry |
| 00:48.39 | Derpadong | ;D |
| 00:48.43 | dgriffi | <shrug> oh well.. hopefully someone sees my bug report on monday. |
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| 00:48.57 | Derpadong | So anyone using Debian on a headless laptop? |
| 00:49.07 | dgriffi | I have constantly had problems with Mikmod misbehaving like this and the solution is never the same thing twice. |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | and if they are? |
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| 00:49.57 | dgriffi | Derpadong: what sort of problems are you having? |
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| 00:50.03 | Derpadong | I was curious if they had a DE or just terminal access via shh |
| 00:50.12 | Derpadong | Ssh* |
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| 00:50.24 | user | does anyone know? |
| 00:50.55 | dgriffi | user: know what? |
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| 00:51.12 | Derpadong | Links2 + tor |
| 00:51.29 | Derpadong | Is what he wants help on configuring |
| 00:51.52 | joseph_ | tor is pretty fucked |
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| 00:52.14 | Derpadong | I don't use tor or links2. I would love to help but don't use that stuff |
| 00:52.56 | Derpadong | I need to edit my scripts for my autosetup of Debian Sid |
| 00:53.17 | arthurfiggis | there's not much sense to using tor anyway in my estimation...80+% of its funding comes from divisions of the US government, and they don't have a good privacy record these days :( |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | directs arthurfiggis toward #debian-offtopic |
| 00:54.04 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: oh right, sorry about that |
| 00:54.06 | joseph_ | id say 80% of the nodes are ran by usagov too |
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| 00:54.54 | abrotman | I'd say it's not relevant to this channel |
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| 00:55.49 | user | arthurfiggis: i would like to browse the deep web |
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| 00:56.05 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: that's my bad :) the channel i used to spend time in didn't have an off-topic, i'll try to remember from now on! |
| 00:56.36 | joseph_ | whats the offtopic channel for debain? |
| 00:57.16 | arthurfiggis | user: unfortunately this channel is just for debian support, though i've never set up tor anyway :) i believe there is a #tor channel though...#debian-offtopic is the...offtopic debian channel... :) |
| 00:57.20 | STMelon | debian-offtopic |
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| 01:09.45 | seeker61 | i uninstalled openoffice.org and installed openoffice4.0 but do not see it listed under office in my applications |
| 01:10.49 | kirat | Hi everybody. i just installed debian. After resuming from sleep/suspend/hibernate, my screen stays black... |
| 01:11.01 | abrotman | seeker61: installed it how ? |
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| 01:11.39 | kirat | I have debian 7. |
| 01:11.56 | Poggy | but how did you install it? With a live cd? |
| 01:11.57 | dgriffi | kirat: what sort of machine is this? |
| 01:12.06 | kirat | laptop |
| 01:12.19 | dgriffi | make/model? |
| 01:13.06 | kirat | sony vaio |
| 01:14.08 | seeker61 | abrotman: i unzipped the deb tar.gz file i got from open office website and then double clicked on the deb file in the desktop intergrator directory |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | you know there are packages in wheezy-backports, right ? |
| 01:15.22 | seeker61 | abrotman: I tried aptitude install but evidently did not have the right command line |
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| 01:15.40 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 01:15.53 | dgriffi | kirat: there is or used to be an affiliate of thinkwiki.org for sony vaio laptops. let me see if I can dig it up again |
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| 01:16.11 | seeker61 | so what is the correct command line |
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| 01:17.00 | seeker61 | apt .versions libreoffice did not work |
| 01:17.01 | dgriffi | kirat: try this: http://linux-on-sony-vaio-z.wikispaces.com/ |
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| 01:17.53 | seeker61 | aptitude install .versions libreoffice did not work |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | why would it? |
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| 01:25.09 | seeker61 | remind me of the best editor to use for my source.list file |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | the one you know how to use |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | nano, vi, emacs .. pick the one you know |
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| 01:26.00 | seeker61 | it was nano thanks for all of your help |
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| 01:26.44 | Rc43 | Hi, guys. |
| 01:27.38 | Rc43 | How to choose ppa where from to install package when I type `apt-get install <package_name>'? |
| 01:28.06 | themill | Rc43: debian doesn't do PPAs |
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| 01:28.30 | Rc43 | themill, oh, so debian's and ubuntu's apt-get are different? |
| 01:29.06 | themill | Rc43: yes there are differences, but the main difference here is what the software was compiled with -- there are different versions of libraries around |
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| 01:58.51 | seeker61 | just screwed myself. libreoffice will not install because of unmet dependencies. apt-get -f libreoffice does not fix the problem |
| 01:59.32 | seeker61 | i think it stems from my installing openoffice-debin-menus and i can not get rid of that package |
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| 02:00.03 | haole_ | I'm having troubles with an UEFI laptop |
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| 02:00.25 | haole_ | does anyone here have experience? I've installed it following the EFIStub wiki, but my system still boots to windows |
| 02:00.27 | seeker61 | tried reinstalling openoffice.org with same unmet dependencies erroe |
| 02:00.37 | abrotman | looks at ChanServ |
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| 02:01.31 | Bsims | seeker61: try just apt-get -f |
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| 02:02.49 | petn-randall | Does anyone remember how to suppress openvpn changing the default route on the client? Been grepping through the man page, don't seem to find the option :( |
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| 02:04.07 | censor | hi all. i'm running on 'testing' and just upgraded Samba to 4.0.10, which broke all of my shares... is there any update process i have to take care of? |
| 02:04.36 | dondelelcaro | petn-randall: it shouldn't be changing the default route on the client unless the server is doing very odd things |
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| 02:05.03 | aypea[3] | censor: i dunno but I'd look in the error log and see if it's whinging about anything. then through pertinant config options to see if any defaults/assumptions have changed/are no longer applicable/etc. |
| 02:05.16 | dondelelcaro | (basically, if you change the default route, then the client may not be able to access the VPN server anymore) |
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| 02:05.43 | petn-randall | dondelelcaro: I'm pushing the default route from the server, which is fine in 99% of the cases. However, I sometimes want to start that openvpn connection with pulling the default route. |
| 02:05.52 | seeker61 | Bsims: just gave me instructions on how to use apt-get |
| 02:05.57 | petn-randall | s/with/without/ |
| 02:06.46 | petn-randall | censor: anything newer than stable is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. If in doubt, check the NEWS file of samba. |
| 02:07.07 | censor | thanks petn-randall, i'll go there! |
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| 02:07.50 | censor | but just in case somebody knows how to fix this: "string_to_sid: SID $USERNAME is not in a valid format" |
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| 02:34.04 | Skaag | hi guys, on ARMv7l platform with Wheezy, top shows the load is always 1.0 |
| 02:34.23 | Skaag | there are no cpu hogging apps running, and iotop shows nothing of significance is using i/o |
| 02:34.48 | Skaag | any ideas how to find what's causing this 1.0 load? |
| 02:35.03 | buu | Do you notice any performance degradation? |
| 02:35.08 | Skaag | no, it's running fine |
| 02:35.12 | Skaag | this is mostly for my curiosity |
| 02:35.15 | buu | Does htop show anything different? |
| 02:35.36 | Skaag | htop is 4%, and is always the first process, general cpu usage around 7% |
| 02:36.03 | buu | Maybe your /proc is broken? |
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| 02:36.17 | Skaag | ah, interesting. how would it be broken? |
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| 02:36.54 | Skaag | the load does go above 1.0 when I start running "heavy" stuff |
| 02:37.05 | Skaag | but when I'm done it always goes back down to 1.0 |
| 02:37.33 | Skaag | meaning that cat /proc/loadavg does show the numbers moving... |
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| 02:38.09 | Skaag | anyway I think this is some kind of ARM processor peculiarity. I found another person on the #linux-sunxi channel, who is experiencing the same thing. |
| 02:38.40 | Skaag | for both of us it is not a critical issue, everything works fine... we're just curious why this is happening :) |
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| 02:40.00 | buu | Yeah, I got nothing. |
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| 02:55.08 | haole_ | if I dont want gdm or kdm, what are my options? |
| 02:56.11 | zykotick9 | haole_: i run most of my boxes without a dm myself. but there is lightdm and slim as other DM options... slim is way minimal |
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| 02:56.38 | haole_ | zykotick9: what are the deps for lightdm? |
| 02:56.41 | haole_ | the heavy ones |
| 02:57.04 | haole_ | i'm avoiding qt and systemd heh |
| 02:57.04 | zykotick9 | haole_: lightdm is what ubuntu uses by default these days... i've never used it myself. |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | haole_: apt-cache show lightdm .. look for yourself |
| 02:58.09 | zykotick9 | haole_: or xdm, i always forget (or is it surpres) that one ;) |
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| 02:58.31 | abrotman | haole_: apt-cache show slim |
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| 02:59.20 | haole_ | another thing: i lost the partition table of one hdd |
| 02:59.29 | haole_ | is there a tool to recover this? or am I screwed? :D |
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| 03:36.56 | haole_ | gdisk did the job |
| 03:37.17 | haole_ | os-prober isn't detecting windows 8... but it seems to be properly installed at sdb4 |
| 03:37.22 | haole_ | what could be wrong? |
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| 03:39.15 | shellox | hi, is this the hybrid-iso, which also works on USB devices? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:41.51 | abrotman | shellox: yes |
| 03:42.31 | shellox | abrotman: thanks, wasn't sure anymore ;) |
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| 04:01.20 | shellox | darn |
| 04:01.34 | shellox | the debian install from usb fails |
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| 04:01.49 | shellox | the installer complains that it cant find the cdrom for any reason |
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| 04:03.18 | passstab | how do i figure out why a certain package is installed? |
| 04:03.48 | shellox | passstab: you can check the rdepends |
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| 04:05.28 | shellox | passstab: http://www.howtoforge.com/finding-out-package-dependencies-with-apt-rdepends-on-debian-ubuntu |
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| 04:19.01 | mumpitzel | aptitude why <package> |
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| 04:42.42 | ewigg | Hi. I have two packages that conflict but in reality they can be installed at the same time. Can I override the conflict somehow? |
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| 04:47.16 | phogg | ewigg: which packages? |
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| 04:59.29 | ewigg | phogg: hudson and jenkins, I want to run them in parallel for a while. jenkins tries to mess with hudson's files at installation time but I tweaked postinst... then just change the default port and there's no problem running them side by side |
| 04:59.57 | themill | might be worthwhile deciding whether this in debian or ubuntu |
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| 05:02.21 | ewigg | this is ubuntu, but it was really an apt/dpkg question |
| 05:02.38 | themill | but this is #debian not #apt |
| 05:03.20 | ewigg | anyway, editing available/status files solved my problem temporarily.... |
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| 05:03.36 | ewigg | I will head that way next time I break something, thanks |
| 05:04.09 | themill | these aren't apt questions but questions about the packages you got from your distro. |
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| 05:34.13 | jaami | i have to modify contants of var/www but nano is not fast enough for me, i have to use some other IDE. that is why i think if modify file in my home folder and then run batch file that copy the modified file to var/www. this way i can speed up my work. can some tell me how to make a dos like batch file? |
| 05:35.02 | jaami | content*** |
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| 05:36.47 | brick | i don't understand this well enough to respond |
| 05:37.12 | brick | you want an IDE and a propagation script? |
| 05:37.51 | themill | why not just edit the files in /var/www? |
| 05:38.23 | jaami | brick i need to use IDE other than nano because other IDe wont save contents in /var/www that is why i think if any type of batch file like script is used to copy my files from home folder to the www folder will solve my problem |
| 05:39.51 | brick | maybe you are confusing a permissions issue with the editor's abilities |
| 05:39.56 | jaami | lets say i use sublime to edit html file in var/www directly opening file from the same folder. will it let me save contents? when i use gedit this way , gedit cannot save file |
| 05:40.20 | brick | any editor can edit files in any directory given proper permissions. |
| 05:40.26 | jaami | yes, its because of permission that i have to think about batch script |
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| 05:40.57 | jaami | i really dont know how for example sublime can edit and save file in var/www |
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| 05:42.19 | jaami | should i change permissions for the var/www? will it be safe? |
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| 05:43.48 | jaami | brick please guide further on how to solve this issue? |
| 05:44.20 | jarkko | use root access temporaly whie editing |
| 05:44.47 | jaami | oh ok, but how to do it, plz explain |
| 05:45.06 | themill | it would be entirely appropriate to give your user ownership of /var/www in this situation |
| 05:46.07 | jaami | great, i was worried Nd was told not to do it. anyway i need to speed up my work so i will give permission to myself |
| 05:46.54 | jarkko | dont know how it goes on debian but on linux mint sudo before command that you run |
| 05:47.01 | jaami | themill request: please let me know the command to change oermissions |
| 05:47.21 | jarkko | chmod is for editing permissions |
| 05:47.27 | themill | chown |
| 05:48.02 | jaami | request: please type full command for me |
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| 05:52.05 | brick | jaami, /var/www is not so high security, so maybe; or you can temporarily become root by using sudo |
| 05:52.06 | jaami | chown -R chope /var/www .... is this ok? |
| 05:52.20 | brick | sudo editor |
| 05:52.23 | jaami | oh okay sudo is good |
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| 05:52.35 | jaami | sudo editor? |
| 05:52.53 | brick | vi, nano, whatever... |
| 05:52.55 | jaami | my editor is lets say sublime so i do sudo sublime? |
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| 05:54.20 | jaami | i want to use sublime because it will be easier to change code |
| 05:55.23 | brick | try it already |
| 05:55.36 | jaami | ok, thanks |
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| 06:19.50 | tech__ | ? |
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| 06:28.24 | shafox | i am planning to switch from mint to debian based distro. i dont want the mint debian version , what will be alternative to debian with same security and stability but different gui ?? |
| 06:29.27 | themill | shafox: #debian recommends debian. |
| 06:30.49 | shafox | themill: i know. but still any other option ? |
| 06:31.14 | themill | I'm not sure why there needs to be. |
| 06:32.36 | tech__ | are you sure you want another distro? if all you want is a different UI then why not just change the DE? |
| 06:33.11 | shafox | tech__: like which DE ? |
| 06:33.16 | shafox | I need suggestion guyz |
| 06:33.41 | tech__ | which DE are you using now? |
| 06:34.03 | shafox | I am on Linux Mint 15 Olivia Mate. |
| 06:34.34 | tech__ | no, which DE, not which distro |
| 06:35.31 | shafox | mate |
| 06:36.20 | tech__ | okay, why not simply switch to KDE or XFCE, or razotqt, or any number of choices out there? |
| 06:36.32 | buu | shafox: use ratpoison |
| 06:36.34 | tech__ | *razorqt |
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| 06:38.33 | shafox | just discovered cruchbang , how is that in your opinion ? |
| 06:38.57 | tech__ | changing your distro simply because you want a different ui is like buying a whle new car because you want new tires |
| 06:39.13 | tech__ | *whole |
| 06:39.18 | buu | shafox: USE THE RATPOISON |
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| 06:40.43 | Leoneof | hello, i'm using Debian jessie, xfce, thunar do mount external partition to /media/<userName>/<labelPartition> instead of /media/<labelPartition> , why? |
| 06:40.53 | shafox | hahah, not that. i am having issues with my current distro , issues that the community seems to be any helpful. and i want to have a good community around the distro . if that makes sense |
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| 06:41.21 | tech__ | actually that makes way more sense |
| 06:41.55 | tech__ | it's also a very good question, when you put it that way |
| 06:41.59 | shafox | i was full debian before i went for mint. but now i misses the stability and community :( |
| 06:42.40 | tech__ | I guess you can always peruse Distrowatch.com |
| 06:43.38 | tech__ | that should give you a good idea of which distros aren't "here today, gone tomorrow" and therefore should have a decent community behind them |
| 06:43.56 | tech__ | like OpenSuse |
| 06:44.03 | tech__ | or Debian |
| 06:44.14 | shafox | distrowatch has lot of options , what i narrowed down to is debian, crunchbang, elementaryos(which is ubuntu based) |
| 06:44.44 | tech__ | ever consider Arch? or even Slackware? |
| 06:44.55 | shafox | no i havenot. |
| 06:45.19 | tech__ | I've been thinking of switching to one of those myself |
| 06:45.19 | Captain_Keeta | Hello, I have been having trouble with graphics in debian wheezy and am not sure what the best way to install drivers may be. I have a radeon 6950 and have only been able to get the newest proprietary drivers from the website to work. These drivers do seem to break suspend/hibernate though. All other methods of installing drivers seem to boot to a black screen with a blinking curser. Any ideas of what I may be missing? |
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| 06:46.25 | shafox | what i think about arch is , its great , small, simple, fast but the package manage has to moderation. anyone can upload anything . |
| 06:46.45 | tech__ | shafox: I like those because you just get the basics, nothing more. You can build out the system as you like without a lot of leftover cruft |
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| 06:47.20 | themill | shafox: why not just install debian? |
| 06:48.37 | tech__ | I was just throwing some ideas out there but, yeah, there's a reason I've been using Debian+KDE for the past 10 years |
| 06:49.42 | tech__ | Captain_Keeta: Xorg issue? |
| 06:49.49 | tech__ | *Xorg.conf |
| 06:50.18 | tech__ | it's the first place I'd look |
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| 06:52.26 | shafox | after all this discussion i think i am going with debian. I have this laptop http://www.flipkart.com/dell-vostro-2520-laptop-3rd-gen-ci5-4gb-500gb-linux/p/itmdgszzgzxysh63 . |
| 06:53.16 | Captain_Keeta | tech_: im looking around and I think that may be the issue |
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| 06:54.03 | tech__ | usually you can't go wrong with debian. I use *experimental* and still get very little/no breakage |
| 06:54.19 | shafox | happy to know |
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| 06:55.24 | tech__ | shafox: when running sid, I've found that it helpsto have a "rollback" repo in your sources.list |
| 06:55.48 | tech__ | just in case an update breaks something you can uncomment it and revert to something that works |
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| 06:55.51 | themill | dpkg, flw68 is <reply><tech__> usually you can't go wrong with debian. I use *experimental* and still get very little/no breakage |
| 06:55.52 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 06:59.15 | shafox | good to know |
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| 07:02.53 | jaami | great, the sudo sublime worked. i dont need any permission settings on /var/www. thanks |
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| 07:03.31 | themill | eww :( |
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| 07:05.01 | jaami | thanks brick , sublime can modify files in /var/www without setting permissions. |
| 07:05.55 | themill | jaami: that's a horrible way of doing it |
| 07:06.11 | jaami | oh is it? |
| 07:06.13 | Captain_Keeta | tech_: I recreated the xorg.conf file and everything seems to be working (even hibernate). Thanks for the help! |
| 07:06.34 | tech__ | Captain_Keeta: no problem |
| 07:07.04 | jaami | themill, it was easy but what i should do now? |
| 07:07.25 | themill | jaami: give yourself ownership of the files and edit them as your own user |
| 07:08.42 | jaami | themill, giving ownership will let me edit file from any path and also without terminal use? |
| 07:08.49 | tech__ | jaami: the way you did it works but themill is suggesting the PROPER way to do it. and it's proper for a good reason |
| 07:09.24 | themill | jaami: if you own the file you can do anything with it you like |
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| 07:09.33 | jaami | tech__, i understand i want to do things proper way. |
| 07:09.42 | tech__ | cool |
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| 07:10.27 | jaami | i want to own folder so i can easily create new files and modify exiting. is it good idea for /var/www? |
| 07:11.16 | rjsalts | jaami: it's fine to put stuff owned by yourself under /var/www, just not the best idea to put stuff owned by the user your web server runs as |
| 07:11.45 | tech__ | you want to be careful about trying to modify entire root folders. you could be introducing a huge security hole in your system |
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| 07:12.26 | dupin | I want to install debian but I have home partition with two users |
| 07:12.31 | jaami | rjsalts, i can start , restart apache only with root but not with jaami |
| 07:12.51 | dupin | do I need both of them in debian or just one |
| 07:13.23 | jaami | rjsalts, is it ok to give owner rights to jaami for /var/www because jaami cannot start apache sever |
| 07:14.04 | tech__ | dupin: who else uses your computer besides you? |
| 07:14.13 | dupin | nobody |
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| 07:14.21 | rjsalts | jaami: no, that's not the reason why. root starts apache but then it will be running as www-data by default. www-data cannot modify files or directories owned by root, or jaami |
| 07:14.38 | tech__ | dupin: you only need one user account |
| 07:14.42 | jaami | tech__, nobody come closer to my computer |
| 07:14.50 | dupin | until now one user did admin work and other just desktop |
| 07:15.21 | tech__ | dupin:so you only need one root account and one user account |
| 07:15.42 | dupin | tech__: so I can delete other user account |
| 07:16.19 | tech__ | right. just make sure it's not the root account |
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| 07:16.53 | dupin | tech__: it is ubuntu home partition there is no root account :) |
| 07:17.28 | dupin | tech__: that is why I ask such things here |
| 07:17.34 | tech__ | ah, ubuntu. I forgot they do some things differently |
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| 07:18.00 | jaami | rjsalts, i think that themill gave right suggestion to change permissio for just the file i cwant to change. |
| 07:18.11 | dupin | tech__: I have one admin user and one desktop for every day use |
| 07:18.51 | jaami | themill, please also tell me how file permissions are changed |
| 07:19.05 | tech__ | dupin: then don't change anything. If I understand you correctly it sounds like your "admin" account = root |
| 07:19.05 | keel | I'm using Debian testing and its current kernel ( 3.10-3 ), it has high res timers enabled ( as "grep TIMER /boot/config-3.10-3-amd64" shows). However, the contents of /proc/timer_list shows that high res timers are not enabled for me: http://pastebin.com/5Ba3rGwz (info on HRT: http://elinux.org/High_Resolution_Timers ) My CPU is an AMD Phenom X4 955, running linux 64 bit. Any ideas on how to get high res timers enabled ? |
| 07:19.08 | dupin | tech__: but I think that will change soo |
| 07:19.47 | tech__ | I thought you were saying you had an admin account and two user accounts |
| 07:19.57 | dupin | tech__: ubuntu doesn´t give root password you have user with sudo |
| 07:20.15 | jwilliams1 | with tpp, how can i have effect like <b></b>? |
| 07:20.31 | jwilliams1 | i use --boldon text blah ... --boldoff |
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| 07:20.41 | jwilliams1 | but the newline effect is not what i want. |
| 07:21.12 | tech__ | dupin: so you're not a little put off with using Unity? |
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| 07:22.02 | dupin | tech__: no problem with unity but I still better like old gnome2 look |
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| 07:22.22 | jaami | i think i worry too much about security because i am the only user of my computer. |
| 07:22.29 | dupin | tech__: witch I ccan get now with xfce :) |
| 07:23.03 | tech__ | dupin: I guess I've always been a KDE fan. I don't like having config settings hidden from me |
| 07:23.14 | dupin | tech__: and I saw e17 in repos really good news for debian |
| 07:23.50 | dupin | tech__: diferent taste no arguing |
| 07:24.33 | tech__ | dupin: I saw that, too. Good news indeed. But lately I've been thinking of experimenting with a tiling WM, like i3 |
| 07:25.12 | dupin | tech__: you have tiling option in e17 but I know what do you think |
| 07:25.33 | tech__ | KDE has that, too |
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| 07:26.01 | tech__ | but I spend so much time in the CLI that half my apps are terminal apps anyway |
| 07:26.03 | dupin | tech__: but you really want to work with keyboard |
| 07:26.29 | dupin | like I said ;) |
| 07:26.45 | tech__ | I already do that. that's why my main browsers are dwb and firefox w/ vimperator |
| 07:26.56 | brick | right on jaami |
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| 07:28.09 | dupin | tech__: didn´t know about this one good to know |
| 07:28.43 | tech__ | dupin: dwb? |
| 07:30.20 | dupin | tech__: both of them really I´m not that good with keyboard |
| 07:30.29 | tech__ | dupin: dwb = HEAVILY keyboard-driven browser w/ vi-like bindings |
| 07:30.31 | dupin | I will have to work on that |
| 07:31.14 | dupin | tech__: now I know what it is but like I said I think it will be hard for me |
| 07:31.24 | tech__ | you get used to it. after a while you'll find it ends up being faster than using the UI all the time |
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| 07:31.46 | dupin | tech__: I believe that is truth |
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| 07:32.19 | dupin | tech__: now you give me something to think about |
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| 07:32.33 | tech__ | cool. try it and I think you will like it |
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| 07:33.08 | dupin | tech__: just one more thing about user account I want to delete |
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| 07:33.38 | dupin | I know content is not hard to delete but user home folder itself? |
| 07:33.53 | tech__ | it can be done |
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| 07:34.04 | tech__ | just be careful that you really want to do it |
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| 07:34.28 | dupin | tech__: yeah but how can you give me some link or something |
| 07:35.06 | tech__ | dupin: you only want to delete the user folder, not the home folder ( I think that's what you are asking) |
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| 07:35.39 | tech__ | dupin: IOW I want to delete /home/tech, but not /home |
| 07:36.00 | dupin | tech__: yes folder of that user |
| 07:36.23 | tech__ | right. delete the user, not the entire /home folder |
| 07:37.03 | dupin | tech__: but if I remove user folder will still be there |
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| 07:37.26 | dupin | of course not entire home :o |
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| 07:38.01 | tech__ | dupin: okay, I see what you are saying |
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| 07:38.25 | dupin | tech__: have to go tnx for your time and advice |
| 07:38.33 | tech__ | no problem |
| 07:38.58 | dupin | tech__: with little bit of luck we will talk with each other here :) |
| 07:39.10 | tech__ | okay |
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| 09:14.45 | maasha | I want to change my dynamic ip to a static and is reading: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration but I am unsure how that fits my setup that currently has two lines: 1) auto lo 2) iface lo inet loopback. Where is the eth0 in that? |
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| 09:15.18 | joltcan | maasha: it's not, leave the lo interface as is |
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| 09:15.53 | joltcan | maasha: there will be an ethX somewhere if your NIC is properly identified |
| 09:15.55 | maasha | joltcan: so just add iface eth0 static? |
| 09:16.16 | joltcan | maasha: I guess so, and an "auto eth0" as well, so that it's started at boot |
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| 09:16.46 | maasha | joltcan: there is no eth0 in the /etc/network/interfaces, but ifconfig recognizes eth0 and eht1 - I am currently running on eth0 - but there is not auto eth0 |
| 09:16.54 | joltcan | maasha: but use a shell and type "ip l" to see which interfaces the system has identified |
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| 09:17.25 | maasha | joltcan: it has identified lo, eth0 and eth1 |
| 09:17.28 | joltcan | maasha: is there a hotplug? thats usually what is configured by default |
| 09:17.40 | maasha | joltcan: hotplug? |
| 09:17.48 | maasha | brings out the thermometer |
| 09:18.10 | maasha | joltcan: this is a vanilla debian stable netinst of 'stable' |
| 09:18.25 | joltcan | maasha: :) No, there usually is a hotplug eth0, but it works as auto |
| 09:18.36 | joltcan | maasha: but just add the auto stansa and be happy |
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| 09:18.53 | joltcan | or you could paste your config file to paste.se or someplace else |
| 09:19.09 | maasha | joltcan: apart from the comments the /etc/network/interfaces file contains the two lines mentioned before |
| 09:19.44 | maasha | its been years since I setup interfaces in debian and I am rusty |
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| 09:20.24 | joltcan | maasha: alright, then just add "auto eth0" and the "iface eth0 inet static" etc |
| 09:20.27 | joltcan | and call it a day |
| 09:20.50 | joltcan | make sure you kill dhcpclient as well, otherwise it might assign a dynamic IP after a while |
| 09:21.52 | maasha | joltcan: right. do I need a line of auto eth0? |
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| 09:22.49 | joltcan | maasha: if you want it to start automagically at boot |
| 09:23.00 | maasha | joltcan: so: http://pastie.org/8471444 |
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| 09:23.49 | joltcan | maasha: replace eth0 static with "iface eth0 inet static" |
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| 09:24.02 | maasha | joltcan: right, of cause. |
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| 09:24.43 | maasha | and the stopping of the dhcp client ... no such thing in /etc/init.d/ but ps aux shows there is in fact a /sbin/dhclient running |
| 09:25.15 | joltcan | maasha: just "killall dhclient" |
| 09:25.21 | joltcan | and thats it |
| 09:25.30 | joltcan | then you can "ifup eth0" and it should be configured |
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| 09:26.20 | maasha | joltcan: or /etc/init.d/network restart I presume - but will that prevent the dhcp client from starting upon reboot? |
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| 09:26.45 | joltcan | maasha: dhclient is usually started from "iface eth0 inet dhcp", so it's not a deamon |
| 09:26.49 | joltcan | ...in that sense |
| 09:27.12 | joltcan | and yes, I have no idea why your interfaces wasn't configured in the interfaces file to start with |
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| 09:29.44 | maasha | joltcan: OK, thanks - I would like to know how the eth0 was configured. I am a bit reluctant to restart the network before knowing exactly what is going on - the box is in another building ... |
| 09:30.59 | joltcan | maasha: well, I guess you have to go crazy with "grep -ri eth0 /etc/*" |
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| 09:31.36 | maasha | joltcan: right - and google. Thanks for the help! |
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| 09:33.39 | joltcan | np |
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| 09:35.00 | maasha | ugh, that was strange: http://pastie.org/8471462 |
| 09:35.09 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 09:35.42 | maasha | is there some new fancy way of restarting the network remotely? |
| 09:36.17 | ShapeShifter499 | oh man, oh fffff I shot my self in my foot by accidentally writing a debian live iso to the wrong media using dd! |
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| 09:36.48 | maasha | hm, its jus the 'restart' option. start and stop are ok. |
| 09:36.51 | ShapeShifter499 | I realized this by stopping the write 200mb in...how do I recover the rest of the data I didn't overwrite? |
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| 09:37.00 | joltcan | maasha: I usually run the commands in screen, like "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" |
| 09:37.23 | joltcan | maasha: or just set it manually with ip a a x.x.x.x/24 dev eth0 |
| 09:37.59 | maasha | joltcan: but ifdown and ifup calls are more low level - aint it recommended to use the /etc/init.d/ stuff ? (which is what a reboot would use presumable) |
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| 09:38.48 | maasha | joltcan: and I did get a funny err in that pastie |
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| 09:40.16 | peterrooney | ShapeShifter499: you might want to look into file carving tools (eg. scalpel), but hope is low, since the first microsecond of the write nuked the partition table. |
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| 09:45.18 | maasha | excellent |
| 09:45.23 | maasha | exercise of the day |
| 09:45.36 | maasha | ... go to other building and fix stupid network |
| 09:46.01 | murmelbahn | :D |
| 09:46.51 | Chelsea | Hi all, i'm trying to make and install a debootstrap instance from a script. Is it possible (and how) to set locale settings without user interaction? |
| 09:46.54 | maasha | ah, wait. I just lost connection because the ip address was changed. the new ip address works |
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| 09:48.34 | maasha | rebooting and hoping it will come up ok. |
| 09:48.52 | dupin | I jusr tried debian in vbox and everything is fine but just one question |
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| 09:49.45 | dupin | I downloaded 1.cd with xfce and I want to install xfce not gnome and xfce |
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| 09:50.28 | dupin | is reason why gnome is installed because I used mirrors during installation? |
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| 09:53.04 | dupin | very sad because of silence |
| 09:53.13 | canoon | dupin, isn't that change only in testing? |
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| 09:53.33 | dupin | I´m using testing |
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| 09:53.47 | dupin | sorry forget to tell |
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| 09:53.59 | babilen | dupin: You always have to provide more information (e.g. which image you used). fwiw, the XFCE CD shouldn't install Gnome, but check in the boot meny |
| 09:54.03 | babilen | u |
| 09:54.19 | babilen | dupin: Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install |
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| 09:55.08 | dupin | babilen: I used text based installer and I didn´t see those options |
| 09:55.18 | babilen | dupin: Which image did you use? |
| 09:55.40 | dupin | xfce that is a reason I´m confused |
| 09:55.54 | babilen | dupin: What is the filename of the image you downloaded? |
| 09:56.17 | dupin | babilen: debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 09:56.44 | babilen | dupin: And *do not* use the testing installer as that is not meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer - if you want to run testing the install wheezy first (just with the standard task) and then take it from there. |
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| 09:56.56 | babilen | dupin: Nobody expects the installer to work right now. |
| 09:57.30 | babilen | Well, you did and some others do too, but at this point in the release cycle that installer version shouldn't be used. |
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| 09:58.17 | babilen | Use the *stable* installer and install wheezy with it. You can also install testing with the stable installer, but I wouldn't recommend that either. Start with wheezy and take it from there. Please also note that testing is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:58.21 | dupin | babilen: so you are telling me to install wheezy and then dist-upgrade |
| 09:58.42 | babilen | I would upgrade first, but yeah. |
| 09:59.06 | babilen | dupin: Also read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable - plenty of tips apply to testing too |
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| 09:59.26 | dupin | babilen: that is what I mean update then upgrade |
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| 10:00.27 | dupin | babilen: tnx for link I will read it |
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| 10:01.49 | dupin | tnx see you bye |
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| 10:04.03 | tga0 | does anyone happen to know why this xmodmap doesn't work for swapping keys around? https://dpaste.de/jRe1 |
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| 10:09.45 | maxyz | tga0: it depends on the key, if you already have the key assigned to a modifier you need to remove it first |
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| 10:13.06 | maxyz | Also, some xkb rules give the same name to two mod keys making them impossible to deal with on xmodmap |
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| 10:13.29 | tga0 | I thought that's what I was doing |
| 10:13.43 | tga0 | clear them first, reassign modifiers |
| 10:13.48 | maxyz | (for instance, the xkb rule that adds caps as a control) |
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| 10:14.12 | tga0 | weird thing is that I am getting no error, just nothing happens |
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| 10:14.43 | tga0 | I am trying to rewrite it now actually assigning keycodes to other keysyms |
| 10:15.35 | maxyz | use remove mod = key |
| 10:15.59 | maxyz | and check the output of xmodmap -pm |
| 10:16.14 | tga0 | oh that's another weird thing |
| 10:16.17 | tga0 | -pm looks right |
| 10:16.20 | tga0 | but it doesn't work |
| 10:16.50 | maxyz | tga0: You might have some xkb rule overriding your settings. |
| 10:16.52 | tga0 | for example -pm shows lock as being empty |
| 10:17.00 | tga0 | but caps lock keeps working |
| 10:17.09 | tga0 | mmkay, where do you change those |
| 10:17.40 | maxyz | xorg.conf or some desktop environment dialog |
| 10:17.41 | tga0 | I saw it's possible to pass options to setxkbmap, but I couldn't find a list |
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| 10:18.28 | maxyz | tga0: The variants are defined in the rules files. It's a bit of use the force, read the code. :) |
| 10:18.49 | maxyz | What are you trying to do? |
| 10:18.59 | tga0 | move the mods around |
| 10:19.51 | archtimmy | tga0: check out xkeyboard-config(7) |
| 10:20.55 | tga0 | reading |
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| 10:23.20 | tga0 | alright, this is fairly limiting, there are a few options you can set |
| 10:23.24 | fish_ | hi |
| 10:23.45 | fish_ | is there a way to prevent debian from starting i.e mysqld after installing the package? |
| 10:23.59 | fish_ | or even better: prevent installing upstart scripts altogether? |
| 10:24.17 | fish_ | I'm building docker containers and there is no init/upstart etc available |
| 10:24.33 | tga0 | if I want to go beyond xkb with remapping would I use both in combination or somehow disable xkb options? |
| 10:26.34 | tga0 | fish_, update-rc.d |
| 10:27.17 | fish_ | tga0: this can change the policy for not-yet installed packages as well? |
| 10:27.41 | fish_ | tga0: I want to prevent debian from starting it as part of the apt-get install <package> |
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| 10:28.05 | tga0 | oh, I see |
| 10:28.49 | tga0 | it's not update-rc.d then, no idea whether you can convince apt/dpkg to not start things |
| 10:28.57 | tga0 | easiest way is to just stop them yourself |
| 10:29.21 | cusco | fetchmail guys, can fetchmail retrieve mail and insert it into a maildir format, without using a mta and lda locally ? |
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| 10:32.08 | maxyz | fish_: most init scrips source /etc/default/package and have way to be disabled in that. |
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| 10:33.05 | maxyz | tga0: You can use a combination, but as I told you before, some xkb rules can make xmodmap useless |
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| 10:34.25 | maxyz | cusco: Mmh, you could probably deliver the message directly to a command, procmail comes to mind. |
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| 10:39.37 | maasha | Something nasty happened during reboot. Partition /dev/sdb never came up. Complains about unresolvable UUID etc. Now what? |
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| 10:40.29 | maasha | If I check the blkid for /dev/sdb it is now different from the one in /etc/fstab - how can that happen? |
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| 10:43.34 | maasha | fsck says: http://pastie.org/8471562 |
| 10:43.52 | maasha | :o| |
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| 10:46.38 | maxyz | maasha: /dev/sdb is a disk, not a partition. |
| 10:46.52 | maasha | maxyz: sorry, in fact it is a hardware RAID5 |
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| 10:49.28 | maxyz | check the second superblock. But you might want to search for issues with the hardware raid controller. |
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| 10:49.50 | maxyz | (unless you know what have changed since last reboot) |
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| 10:51.42 | maasha | maxyz: this is a brand new box and this was the second reboot - first reboot with /dev/sdb configured |
| 10:52.27 | maasha | maxyz: how do I check the second superblock? |
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| 10:55.53 | maxyz | maasha: fsck -b 8193 (for filesystems of 1k block) |
| 10:56.45 | maxyz | maasha: But, if it's a new machine, I would distrust it if on the second boot you ended up with a broken fs. |
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| 10:58.06 | maasha | maxyz: fsck says. Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb - and what do you mean by distrust? |
| 10:58.20 | ChrisH | maxyz: you might want to run lsblk and compare the output with what you expected. |
| 10:58.30 | ChrisH | maasha: you might want to run lsblk and compare the output with what you expected. |
| 10:58.33 | ChrisH | maxyz: sorry |
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| 10:58.54 | maasha | ChrisH: thats me |
| 10:59.25 | maasha | lsblk says: http://pastie.org/8471592 which looks ok to me. |
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| 11:00.07 | ChrisH | maasha: no LVM, no partition on a 10TB Disk? |
| 11:00.44 | maasha | ChrisH: its a hardware RAID5 to hold data. |
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| 11:01.15 | tga0 | maxyz, so the question is then how to do more remapping than the xkb options allow |
| 11:01.24 | maxyz | maasha: I mean it's flacky hardware, or badly supported maybe, which unless you want to fix the kernel support or try out if a firmware upgrade fixes it, you should not consider that machine as reliable. |
| 11:01.36 | ChrisH | anything in dmesg? |
| 11:01.56 | maasha | maxyz: brand new dell box. |
| 11:02.47 | maasha | ChrisH: dmesg | grep sdb -> http://pastie.org/8471598 |
| 11:03.48 | maasha | the good news is that the RAID dont contain any data but some test stuff. |
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| 11:04.42 | maxyz | maasha: Feel free to do whatever, as a sysadmin I would probably return it, or replace the raid5 hw with a software raid10. |
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| 11:05.25 | maasha | maxyz: I was thinking that it needs "to be broken in" - and that there is likely issues with my skills rather than a HW problem. |
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| 11:16.46 | ChrisH | maasha: given the filesystem has no data. _I_ would run badblock write test and newfs it afterwards. |
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| 11:17.20 | maasha | ChrisH: welll, I think I will start by going to the other building and check if the bios has any information. |
| 11:17.30 | maxyz | tga0: Mmh, I use Option "XkbOptions" "shift:both_capslock_cancel,ctrl:swapcaps" in xorg.conf and http://paste.debian.net/65143/ in my ~/.Xmodmap |
| 11:17.45 | maasha | ChrisH: and then overwrite everything, put a bit of data on and do some reboots? |
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| 11:18.16 | maasha | "a bit of data" as in a few megabytes of test data. not a 1 |
| 11:18.30 | maxyz | tga0: That might help you as a base to tweak it to your needs |
| 11:18.54 | ChrisH | maasha: badblocks with write test; will fill all disks |
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| 11:19.28 | maasha | ChrisH: are there some docs on that? |
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| 11:20.14 | ChrisH | maasha: man badblocks |
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| 11:21.32 | maasha | ok. bios first. then reading |
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| 11:25.41 | benoliver999 | So I've been trying to get an install on the go, froma pen drive. I had to use the netint image. Sadly, my wifi firmware wasn't there, so I had to go with a basic install. I've since found the firmware, and have been able to install it. How to I now go back and complete the full install? |
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| 11:29.39 | maxyz | benoliver999: If you have the wireless support working on the installed machine, you could simply run tasksel (you might need to check that /etc/apt/sources.list has some mirror configured). |
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| 11:30.14 | benoliver999 | maxyz, That's just what I was after, thanks. |
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| 11:32.24 | bitgeek | I've just got a NAS, and have been learning about mount, cifs, fstab, etc. but one thing I am confused about is syncing UIDs on Debian box and NAS |
| 11:32.47 | maxyz | benoliver999: Just in case, I meant something like deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main and deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main in your sources.list |
| 11:33.01 | bitgeek | my UID on Debian is 1000, on the NAS this is reserved so I have UID 1001 |
| 11:33.43 | bitgeek | how do I "link" these UIDs so when I mount then cd across to the NAS it recognises me as the owner? |
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| 11:34.56 | maxyz | bitgeek: with samba and mounting with cifs or something else? |
| 11:35.10 | Kuroshita | !iceweasel |
| 11:35.10 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. Since June 2013, Iceweasel in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 11:35.33 | Kuroshita | !iceweasel vs firefox |
| 11:35.33 | dpkg | The main difference between iceweasel and firefox is the icon. The rendering engine is the same, the preferences are the same, the handling of plugins like flash is the same. Ask me about <iceweasel doesn't work> <iceweasel user-agent> <why iceweasel> <iceweasel backports>. |
| 11:36.01 | Kuroshita | !why iceweasel |
| 11:36.02 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 11:36.28 | maxyz | Kuroshita: /msg dpkg |
| 11:36.38 | Kuroshita | oh shoot, sorry everyone! |
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| 11:44.26 | maxyz | bitgeek: mount.cifs has uid option |
| 11:44.35 | caviwipes | Hi, would is be possible, during install on an encrypted disk, to have Debian generate a massive key by itself so that no one knows what it is? |
| 11:44.42 | maxyz | s/s u/s an u/ |
| 11:45.09 | maxyz | Not even you? |
| 11:45.17 | maxyz | :) |
| 11:45.21 | caviwipes | maxyz correct |
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| 11:46.27 | buu | bitgeek: Are you mounting via cifs or nfs? |
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| 11:49.19 | bitgeek | maxyz: that worked, when I cd then create files, it is created with uid of the NAS user |
| 11:49.42 | bitgeek | buu: cifs - sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.2/psfhome -o rw,username=psf,uid=1002,gid=100 psf |
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| 11:51.24 | maxyz | bitgeek: Haven't you said that you uid was 1000 ? I should be uid=1000 then. |
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| 11:51.57 | mosasaur | has anyone tried to compile vpython? |
| 11:52.33 | buu | bitgeek: uid=bitgeek,forceuid,gid=bitgeek,forcegid |
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| 11:53.25 | bitgeek | maxyz: yes sorry, I am experimenting with a different user tonight |
| 11:53.38 | buu | Its kind of a bigger hammer approach |
| 11:53.45 | bitgeek | 1002 is correct for this test |
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| 11:54.15 | bitgeek | I think I will use forceuid/gid just in-case though |
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| 11:57.26 | caviwipes | maxyz: any ideas? :-) |
| 11:57.42 | bitgeek | one more question please: 1002 uid exists on the NAS but not Debian, what is the best approach for displaying a uname? Simplest seems to be to create a local user with same UID, is that correct? |
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| 11:58.54 | spronkey | guys i'm having an issue with apt-get install showing package depends on same package (linux-image). Can't boot my machine, /boot ran out of space at some point and has stopped kernel updates |
| 11:59.31 | spronkey | anyone got any suggestions as to how i can get out of this loop? have tried apt-get install -f, autoremove, clean, dpkg configure all |
| 12:00.16 | Nik05 | can you give us a paste of whats happening? |
| 12:00.37 | spronkey | hang on |
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| 12:03.16 | maxyz | caviwipes: Something like this: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/? |
| 12:04.17 | spronkey | Nik05, http://pastebin.com/rr56YcRL |
| 12:04.22 | spronkey | that's from an apt-get -f install |
| 12:05.00 | spronkey | this is chrooted, the machine won't boot of its own accord, complains about VFS: cannot open root device "mapper/turnkey-root" or unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 12:05.04 | caviwipes | maxyz Well, not really, I as an admin can decrypt the system using the Key files |
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| 12:05.33 | caviwipes | maxyz After the setup, if the system must reboot or something else happens, the volume should be considered lost |
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| 12:05.58 | maxyz | caviwipes: I fail to see how that would be of any use? |
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| 12:07.03 | caviwipes | maxyz Very useful actually, well, for me anyhow. I can not be asked to give away any information I do not have access to |
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| 12:10.18 | maxyz | I see, but I think that a very specific use case. Also the installer requires to reboot, so you need some persistance. |
| 12:11.16 | caviwipes | maxyz Yeah, I honestly have no idea how to pull this off |
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| 12:12.15 | caviwipes | maybe not encrypt the boot volume and somehow use it only of new volumes. Still need to generate a key without knowing what it is |
| 12:12.31 | maxyz | You could probably use a live-cd, prepare a chroot on a random encrypted fs on boot and used that, either on top of the live-cd (with aufs) / by itself or just as the user home |
| 12:12.44 | maxyz | (depending on what you are aiming at) |
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| 12:13.40 | bezaban | you could use a tempfs (although vunerable to cold boot attack) |
| 12:14.36 | bezaban | but so is drive encryption |
| 12:15.08 | bezaban | and you'll typically see forensics leave with powered on machines if considered critical |
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| 12:16.06 | Nik05 | ok spronkey will be back soon |
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| 12:16.41 | spronkey | oki |
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| 12:17.59 | hc1 | hellou ... fresh install wheezy, everything ok, just cant change first day in cal .. lc_time set to germany example, names of day in that language, but first day still sunday .. |
| 12:19.12 | caviwipes | bezaban How is the encryption vulnerable to cold boot attacks? |
| 12:20.20 | bezaban | caviwipes: they key is stored in memory |
| 12:20.32 | caviwipes | hmm |
| 12:20.32 | bezaban | to decrypt on demand |
| 12:20.43 | caviwipes | can this be disabled_ |
| 12:21.13 | bezaban | not really no |
| 12:21.37 | maasha | Is there a way to prevent a disk error to hang the system on boot? |
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| 12:21.57 | gnr | caviwipes:use smart card |
| 12:22.05 | maasha | that press control-D to continue or enter root password for maintenance |
| 12:22.16 | caviwipes | gnr: What do you mean? |
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| 12:22.28 | gnr | or smart card tokens to store you private keys |
| 12:22.31 | Nik05 | spronkey still here? so are you running squeeze? |
| 12:22.45 | gnr | ie. epass2000 |
| 12:22.47 | spronkey | yeah |
| 12:22.50 | spronkey | squeeze |
| 12:22.57 | spronkey | its a turnkey linux variant |
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| 12:23.38 | bezaban | smart cards wouldn't really work. While the private key is inaccessible the cryptographic operations are typically not done inside of that. It's an operation over a key that is used like normal LUKS |
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| 12:24.19 | bezaban | but yes, some hardware security module that actually does the cryptographic processing would be the way to go, but that gets pretty expensive fast |
| 12:24.20 | gnr | bezaban: most smart cards is using pin caching for each process |
| 12:24.51 | Nik05 | spronkey turnkey? |
| 12:25.12 | spronkey | they package up debian with some preconf'd packages |
| 12:25.33 | gnr | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-urien-eap-smartcard-22 |
| 12:26.16 | bezaban | gnr: I am being luks specific here though. To enable smartcard encryption with luks all you really do is re-encrypte the key and it is stored as a regular luks key, in memory. For a more general approach, yes I do believe that is the way to go. :) |
| 12:26.26 | jarkko_ | is it possible to have 5.1 sounds on kde desktop? |
| 12:26.32 | jarkko_ | desktop sounds |
| 12:27.21 | caviwipes | gnr bezaban this sounds like it will not be so easy... |
| 12:27.54 | maxyz | hc1: Mmh, does cal supports first_weekday? |
| 12:28.01 | Nik05 | spronkey: this channel if not really for other distro's |
| 12:28.10 | Nik05 | but cant you remove the old packages? |
| 12:28.12 | gnr | only if your root is compromised. If that is so, no point of security is needed |
| 12:28.19 | bezaban | caviwipes: surefire protection against physical access requires specialized hardware |
| 12:28.34 | spronkey | well i'm not too sure how. anything i try to do results in apt complaining |
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| 12:29.55 | Nik05 | spronkey: those packages arent in debian |
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| 12:30.13 | spronkey | oh? damnit.. they must have done something custom then |
| 12:30.32 | Nik05 | linux-server, linux-generic-pae i think those are ubuntu... |
| 12:30.33 | spronkey | this'll teach me for using something else for a change |
| 12:30.47 | hc1 | maxyz I am migrating from archlinux to wheezy, so maybe that I have some older version which no supports first day.. but I have installed orage - thats graphical calendar and first day sunday too |
| 12:30.59 | mislav | I am trying to disassemble ppc64 elf64-big (decrypted ps3) executable with objdump but I get error "objdump: can't disassemble for architecture UNKNOWN!". Any ideas ?: / |
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| 12:31.03 | spronkey | hmm, maybe this one is built on ubuntu.. |
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| 12:31.35 | gnr | perhaps luks + selinux |
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| 12:33.25 | Nik05 | well you can probably better ask in turnkey's support chat |
| 12:33.33 | Nik05 | but try to purge those packages and reinstall them |
| 12:33.45 | spronkey | yeah, i'll see whether i can manually purge em |
| 12:33.46 | spronkey | thanks Nik05 |
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| 12:33.58 | Nik05 | use dpkg |
| 12:34.08 | maasha | are there any pro/cons formatting a entire device versus a single partition? |
| 12:34.15 | Nik05 | and what is /scripts/casper-functions? |
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| 12:37.09 | maxyz | hc1: Mmh, it seems to have a patch to support it, but maybe the patch is getting ignored by some upstream changes. :-/ |
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| 12:38.52 | hc1 | maxyz: its not very big deal to me, but I want stable system, so I dont know if this is a bug or some feature :-) |
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| 12:51.09 | hc1 | hm |
| 12:51.20 | jarkko_ | how to activate 4 cores on gcc? |
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| 12:52.12 | hc1 | maxyz: did you test it in your pc? |
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| 12:52.51 | vagn | jarko_: instead try make -j 4 |
| 12:52.58 | maxyz | hc1: Yes, it looks like a bug. I'm not sure where, maybe the patch is incomplete. |
| 12:53.31 | gnr | gcc -pipe |
| 12:53.58 | hc1 | maxyz: ok .. because I did it in 2 pc ..same situation in crunchbang 11 |
| 12:54.22 | jarkko_ | can i make that global command? |
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| 12:55.32 | maxyz | hc1: cal -M or cal -S do change the weekstart, so not sure, needs some debugging |
| 12:55.40 | maxyz | hc1: Please report the bug |
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| 12:57.22 | maxyz | Sorry, ncal -M, but is the same source |
| 12:58.16 | maxyz | or not, LC_TIME=de_DE.UTF-8 ncal also works... |
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| 12:59.08 | bejker | hi |
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| 12:59.23 | bejker | some one know how to clear ram memory? |
| 13:00.05 | hc1 | maxyz: ncal works. another I have overwright a files in usr share i18n with other distro in which it runs but no change .. |
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| 13:00.09 | bejker | windows have a lot of stuff doing that, is there on linux some command or somethink similar |
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| 13:00.21 | hc1 | maxyz: overwrite ) |
| 13:00.38 | canoon | bejker: why? |
| 13:01.02 | bejker | canoon: becouse i have almost 80% ram full |
| 13:01.06 | bejker | right now |
| 13:01.14 | blast_hardcheese | Quit some applications...? |
| 13:01.36 | hc1 | maxyz: so the bug is in cal or in debian locale ? |
| 13:01.48 | bejker | i dont have opened nothing at that moment |
| 13:02.00 | buu | bejker: Then the ram isn't being used and you shouldn't worry about it. |
| 13:02.01 | bejker | only ssh connection |
| 13:02.06 | maxyz | bejker: linux uses as much memory as is available for disk buffers and such, when an application requires them it drops the older buffers. |
| 13:02.39 | canoon | bejker: what are you getting the ram stats from? |
| 13:02.42 | bejker | buu: i woried about becouse, when i want to play game i have lags, when i restart pc and run game i didnt have any lags |
| 13:02.52 | bejker | canoon: htop |
| 13:02.52 | maxyz | bejker: use top sort by memory usage (M) and check if some app is eating your memory |
| 13:03.13 | maxyz | else forget about that, you want the memory to be used. |
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| 13:03.31 | canoon | bejker: ignoring the yellow? |
| 13:03.53 | ksk | "linuxatemyram.com" is down :/ |
| 13:04.11 | bejker | top show me just steam eat 12% and iceweasel 10% |
| 13:04.33 | canoon | kill iceweasel? |
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| 13:05.07 | bejker | canoon: yes when i start play i kill but look |
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| 13:05.26 | canoon | but look...? |
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| 13:05.47 | maxyz | Remember to use paste.debian.net to paste some text |
| 13:05.53 | bejker | i have right now used 765mb of ram |
| 13:06.02 | bejker | thise is not 12% :/ |
| 13:06.25 | ksk | bejker: http://www.bartbania.com/index.php/help-linux-ate-my-ram/ |
| 13:06.43 | spronkey | ugh |
| 13:06.51 | spronkey | might be easier if i just start again with this one i think |
| 13:08.00 | canoon | bejker: what de are you using? you could use xfce if you only have 1gb of ram |
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| 13:09.44 | bejker | canoon: i se u dont get it, i try to play a game where i need get high fps, when my pc is turned on long time in game i have something about 40fps, when i restart pc i have in game 100fps |
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| 13:11.39 | Sevet | bejker: your gpu could be slowing down when it gets hot after it's run for a while |
| 13:11.54 | Sevet | (gpu or cpu) |
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| 13:12.46 | bejker | Sevet: and u think just reboot get colder gpu? |
| 13:12.50 | bejker | bullshit ;] |
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| 13:13.12 | bejker | my gpu have 54 degree |
| 13:13.30 | Sevet | you're not using it for a couple of minutes while it reboots, that's enough that it could cool down quite a bit |
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| 13:13.42 | Sevet | how long before it goes back to 40fps? |
| 13:13.43 | canoon | bejker: is that a university degree? |
| 13:14.13 | Sevet | it's not going to be ram slowing your fps down unless you're swapping (and then it'd be much worse) |
| 13:14.15 | bejker | Sevet: 12h |
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| 13:14.49 | haole | I'm installing a minimalist Debian Desktop and I'm having troubles with NetowrkManager |
| 13:14.58 | haole | nm-applet complains that I don't have enough privileges |
| 13:14.59 | Sevet | if you've been playing a game for 12h it's time for a break ;) |
| 13:15.07 | haole | and I added my user to the netdev group |
| 13:15.10 | haole | what am I missing? |
| 13:15.12 | bejker | http://pastebin.com/iXQFApGh |
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| 13:15.34 | bejker | Sevet: no, when pc is turned on more than 12h ;] not when i play 12h ;d |
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| 13:16.38 | maxyz | bejker: don't swear, some nvidia drivers leak gpu memory (a known chrome bug with many tabs), could be that, could be steam leaking some other resource. |
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| 13:17.34 | bejker | maxyz: i doint use chrome, restarting steam dont get any positive rosults ;] |
| 13:18.06 | bejker | just only when i reboot pc everythink is working fine |
| 13:18.11 | maxyz | bejker: The bug is not in chrome, but in the nvidia drivers, but chrome triggers it. |
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| 13:18.15 | Sevet | bejker: have you tried using tools like htop and iotop to see what's using cpu, ram, disk etc? |
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| 13:18.22 | bejker | so i think thise could be something with ram |
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| 13:18.47 | canoon | bejker: can you install smem and give us `sudo smem -t` and `sudo smem -w` |
| 13:18.49 | bejker | Sevet: htop/top shows steam 12%ram iceweasel 10% |
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| 13:19.39 | bejker | canoon: sure wait for a moment i installed that |
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| 13:20.46 | maxyz | bejker: You can check the gpu memory use using nvidia-smi, http://www.matrix44.net/blog/?p=876 |
| 13:21.46 | bejker | http://pastebin.com/yBPSTzM0 |
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| 13:27.28 | Dirkos | jq : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14) but 2.13-38 is to be installed |
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| 13:27.36 | Dirkos | how can i install libc6 2.14 ? |
| 13:27.59 | kunmm | Howdy, anyone know how I can move a tar.gz file each day at 1AM to a windows FTP? |
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| 13:29.23 | maxyz | Dirkos: What are you trying to install, and from where? |
| 13:29.31 | Dirkos | apt-get install jq |
| 13:29.33 | maxyz | ,v |
| 13:29.35 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 13:29.36 | maxyz | ,v libc6 |
| 13:29.37 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-93; sid: 2.17-95 |
| 13:29.50 | Dirkos | maxyz: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jq |
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| 13:30.11 | Dirkos | I need 2.14 in wheezy |
| 13:30.12 | tty-1 | There is agetty also, is it better than getty? |
| 13:30.14 | tty-1 | (for lxc) |
| 13:30.15 | themill | Dirkos: that package isn't in wheezy. If you want it, you need to rebuild it. |
| 13:30.18 | themill | dpkg: tell Dirkos about ssb |
| 13:30.57 | Dirkos | it was if im right? |
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| 13:31.18 | maxyz | ,v jq |
| 13:31.20 | judd | Package: jq on i386 -- jessie: 1.3-1; sid: 1.3-1 |
| 13:31.44 | Dirkos | ok i will build it from source instead |
| 13:32.09 | themill | you can just do what dpkg said... |
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| 13:34.00 | Cyis | trying to rebuild libc6 is likely to cause a whole lot of other packages to need to be rebuilt as well |
| 13:35.01 | Dirkos | i installed it before, but dont remember if it was from source of via aptitude though |
| 13:35.22 | themill | backporting the jq package shouldn't be more than 5 minutes work. |
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| 13:36.08 | Dirkos | themill: ah there is just an exectuble too |
| 13:36.12 | Dirkos | so i can put it in /bin |
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| 13:39.11 | linuxthefish | how to stop this crap? |
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| 13:39.29 | linuxthefish | Setting up mysql-server-5.5 (5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1) ... |
| 13:39.37 | linuxthefish | dpkg: error processing mysql-server (--configure): |
| 13:39.38 | dpkg | linuxthefish: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 13:39.48 | linuxthefish | ? |
| 13:40.01 | linuxthefish | it is an error |
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| 13:40.08 | themill | linuxthefish: dpkg is right |
| 13:40.10 | linuxthefish | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.5 (--configure): |
| 13:40.10 | dpkg | linuxthefish: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 13:41.10 | linuxthefish | even when i try to remove mysql server it's setting it up |
| 13:41.18 | linuxthefish | and starting it! |
| 13:41.22 | pbodymind | linuxthefish: u can purge ur mysql configuration... apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-5.5 |
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| 13:41.44 | themill | or better, you could actually provide the information we've asked for |
| 13:41.47 | pbodymind | but back it up.. if u have some stuff.. it will delete every table and things.. |
| 13:42.12 | linuxthefish | http://pastebin.com/NhtLuMCK |
| 13:42.53 | themill | Is this an upgrade from squeeze? |
| 13:42.58 | linuxthefish | no |
| 13:43.04 | linuxthefish | E: Unable to locate package remove pbodymind... |
| 13:43.17 | linuxthefish | grr, i just want it gone |
| 13:44.58 | linuxthefish | oh, that worked! thanks pbodymind |
| 13:45.12 | pbodymind | ;) |
| 13:45.24 | linuxthefish | grr new "io_setup" error |
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| 13:45.43 | linuxthefish | http://pastebin.com/xDjBRVqL |
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| 13:47.07 | pbodymind | linuxthefish: what about dmesg? do u have any other error? |
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| 13:47.52 | pbodymind | blank? o.O |
| 13:47.56 | pbodymind | AFAIIIK |
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| 13:48.30 | skyroveRR | Hello |
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| 13:49.03 | linuxthefish | root@rwxxr:~# dmesg |
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| 13:51.49 | marcopolka | I'm on stable, but I want a bugfix in KDE 4.11 which is in sid. If I take such a large and central piece of my system from sid, is it better to upgrade the whole system to sid? |
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| 13:56.37 | ksk | probably its not possible to take only kde from sid without many many other stuff |
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| 14:02.27 | kunmm | I am trying to type my password in the terminal, it contains a lot of wierd and special characters. I am using " " around it but still I get "Unknow event" or something similar. It must be because I have a exclamation mark in my password? |
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| 14:03.19 | pbodymind | kunmm: u can write it in a text file and copy paste! |
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| 14:03.45 | kunmm | why? I am using the terminal to connect to a ftp |
| 14:04.17 | pbodymind | kunmm: ? |
| 14:04.22 | ksk | in the terninal? you mean something like an ssh password dialog? that thingy should catch all the stuff a bash would want to interpret.. |
| 14:04.40 | kunmm | ncftpput -R -v -u "username" -p "passwordHere" -P 2021 ftp.nixcraft.biz /nixcraft/forum /tmp/phpbb |
| 14:04.44 | kunmm | that is what I use, but with my details |
| 14:04.52 | boycottg00gle | if your password is somehow important you should never pass it as command line argument |
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| 14:05.15 | Sevet | kunmm: echo "hello!" -> 'event not found'... it's a special character as far as the shell is concerned, just like using $ would be |
| 14:05.21 | boycottg00gle | do a "ps l" to see why |
| 14:05.36 | shafox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.02 | kunmm | I get bash: mypassword: event not found |
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| 14:06.43 | Sevet | kunmm: history expansion doesn't happen if you use single quotes |
| 14:06.54 | kunmm | thank you |
| 14:06.57 | Sevet | kunmm: echo 'hello!' will work, echo "hello!" will not |
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| 14:07.31 | boycottg00gle | kunmm: see man bash and search for ^HISTORY EXPANSION |
| 14:08.18 | boycottg00gle | kunmm: ncftp supports ~/.netrc afair - see also man netrc |
| 14:08.18 | Kenzumi | hello |
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| 14:14.05 | boycottg00gle | wonders wether man has a option to directly jump to text to simplify: 'PAGER="less -p ^HISTORY EXPANS" man bash' |
| 14:15.08 | boycottg00gle | wasn't there a uri scheme for man pages? |
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| 14:22.24 | 64MAAWK09 | hi guys, i got some issue with mailman on debian lenny. I know the system is quite obsolete, but it's working quite well. Now i got this problem: trying to open the lists on web i receive a 403 error. It appears that there's a missing directory (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman). How can i know why it has disappeared? |
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| 14:33.26 | tga | greetings, am I reading this wrong or is there no backports package for libreoffice 4 on wheezy? |
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| 14:37.44 | babilen | judd: v libreoffice |
| 14:37.45 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.2-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.1.2-2; sid: 1:4.1.3-1 |
| 14:37.53 | babilen | tga: ^^^ |
| 14:38.17 | tga | that's still 3.5 |
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| 14:38.26 | tga | I am looking for 4 |
| 14:38.35 | tga | oh nevermind |
| 14:38.41 | tga | I am indeed reading things wrong |
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| 14:44.00 | babilen | tga: 1:4.1.2-2~bpo70+1 is the version in wheezy backports which is version 4.1.2 of libreoffice. I am under the impression that you figured that out by now, but just wanted to make sure to point it out. |
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| 14:46.48 | Nibble | playonlinux package in jessie is missing curl dependency, how do I report? |
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| 14:47.20 | tga | babilen: it looks like the right version is in backports, but I keep getting 3.5 |
| 14:47.32 | tga | maybe my sources file is wrong or something |
| 14:47.50 | babilen | tga: Show me and include your sources.list along with the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libreoffice" please. |
| 14:47.58 | babilen | (on http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 14:49.14 | babilen | Nibble: Are you *sure* that it is absolutely necessary for playonlinux to function or is it simply the case that *some* functionality won't be available? |
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| 14:50.29 | Nibble | don't condescend to me please |
| 14:51.28 | ShapeShifter499 | D: |
| 14:51.41 | ShapeShifter499 | I need some help with data recovery |
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| 14:51.48 | babilen | Nibble: Huh? It was an honest question and the right one to ask. |
| 14:52.12 | Nibble | good for you |
| 14:52.31 | ShapeShifter499 | I was in the process of backing up and when I went to "dd" a debian iso I sent the command to the wrong media! my main drive |
| 14:52.33 | Sevet | Nibble: those responses are a very good way to not have anyone here help you |
| 14:52.48 | babilen | Nibble: You argue that the Suggest: on curl should be a Depends: -- I question if that is really necessary as I don't use playonlinux. If you have no inclination to discuss this issue *before* filing a bug, I am not sure if I want to help you to file a bug. |
| 14:52.49 | ShapeShifter499 | I caught it but it wrote over the first 1gb of space |
| 14:52.56 | Sevet | he was asking a valid question... curl is used for http access so isn't necessarily an absolute requirement |
| 14:53.02 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I get the rest of my data back? |
| 14:53.05 | Nibble | Sevet: I was not looking for help, I was looking to help other people by filing a bug report |
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| 14:53.10 | babilen | Nibble: So, please be friendly and assume good faith. |
| 14:53.12 | Nibble | that was my question |
| 14:53.22 | Nibble | not if it was required or not |
| 14:53.22 | ShapeShifter499 | I was running Ubuntu at the time but I want to run Debian |
| 14:53.40 | tga | babilen: soo if the policy is like https://dpaste.de/VKjQ how do I get 4.1 instead of 3.5 |
| 14:53.40 | Sevet | if you want to report a bug, use 'reportbug' |
| 14:53.43 | Sevet | it'll be installed by default |
| 14:53.48 | babilen | Nibble: So, will playonlinux run without curl being installed and is it the case that *some* functionality would simply be missing if curl is not installed? |
| 14:53.53 | Nibble | as I said |
| 14:53.57 | Nibble | that has nothing to do with what I asked |
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| 14:54.06 | Nibble | and is a very condescending question |
| 14:54.34 | Sevet | what he was aasking would clarify whether it belonged in a Depends or a Suggests control field |
| 14:54.47 | babilen | Nibble: It is not. Please, for the last time: read my responses and read the Debian policy about the differences between Depends:, Recommends: and Suggests: and then argue your point. |
| 14:54.49 | Sevet | nothing wrong with getting a bug report fleshed out with more info before submitting |
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| 14:55.13 | Nibble | babilen: why would I read that? |
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| 14:55.18 | Nibble | you are assuming I do not know the difference |
| 14:55.34 | Nibble | and keep spamming me with nonsense replies regarding it |
| 14:55.34 | Sevet | Nibble: fyi curl is listed as a dependancy under Suggests already |
| 14:55.36 | Nibble | it is required to start the program |
| 14:55.39 | Nibble | which is why I wanted to report it |
| 14:55.44 | Sevet | Suggests are dependancies but for optional behaviour |
| 14:55.48 | Nibble | but be my fucking guest and have it remaining under suggets |
| 14:55.49 | Sevet | so it's already listed |
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| 14:56.05 | Sevet | Nibble: no swearing in here please |
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| 14:56.46 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 14:56.58 | Sevet | Nibble: required to start *your* program, not all. that's why it's under suggests not depends. you're meant to check both for dependancies. otherwise your system would get a lot of unnecessary bloat. |
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| 14:57.44 | babilen | Sevet: Nibble left already; But back to the point: Do you know if curl is indeed absolutely required for playonlinux to work or is it simply the case that some functionality would be missing if curl is not there? |
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| 14:58.08 | Sevet | i've used it without curl |
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| 14:58.15 | tga | is still trying to figure out libreoffice versions |
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| 14:58.22 | Sevet | i'd say it's his specific program needs web access on start |
| 14:58.36 | babilen | tga: Sorry, let me take a look. |
| 14:58.47 | tga | babilen: so I just dropped wheezy-backports at the end of my sources-list, and afaict 3.5 still has a bigger priority than 4.1 |
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| 14:58.51 | tga | I'm probably missing something simple |
| 14:59.00 | kexibq | guys, with debian stable, should I be using apt-get to perfrom updates? Or is it more common practice to use aptitude. (I am coming from the pacman system, so it is all a bit new to me.) |
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| 14:59.20 | tga | babilen: soo if the policy is like https://dpaste.de/VKjQ how do I get 4.1 instead of 3.5 |
| 14:59.23 | babilen | Sevet: Thanks, so in your opinion the "Suggests:" on curl is alright or would you argue that it should be raised to a "Recommends:"? (as, for example, most programs that you use with playonlinux require curl) |
| 14:59.23 | tga | (repaste) |
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| 14:59.53 | ksk | kexibq: just use what you like. imho there is no reason to use aptituide (Besides "why" and "why-not" - which are not really needed that often) |
| 15:00.08 | Sevet | babilen: probably depends on how many programs need it |
| 15:00.10 | kexibq | ksk: great, thanks. Was just making sure :) |
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| 15:00.28 | babilen | tga: If you want to install packages from wheezy-backports you have to raise the priotity of that repo temporarily. This is done with the "-t wheezy-backports" option and you should be able to install 4.1 by running "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install libreoffice" |
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| 15:00.54 | tga | babilen: doh, I totally missed that option |
| 15:01.05 | tga | I should have seen it, it's in the instructions |
| 15:01.06 | tga | thanks |
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| 15:01.16 | babilen | Sevet: yeah, exactly. That's why I ask -- I don't use it and would assume that the maintainer quite rightfully Suggests: curl, but if a lot of people would run into problems because of that a Recommends: might be the better choice |
| 15:01.21 | Sevet | to be fair curl's pretty lightweight to have as a Depends if it's really used that much (270kb) |
| 15:01.23 | tga | is trying to keep his development machine stable, with a few backports |
| 15:01.26 | babilen | tga: Does that work? |
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| 15:01.54 | Sevet | babilen: i don't either - i've used it... once... over a year ago :) |
| 15:02.05 | tga | babilen: looks that way, downloading a load of packages now |
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| 15:02.14 | babilen | Sevet: It really shouldn't be a Depends if it is not absolutely necessary for the program to run. A Recommends: would be the right choice if most users would want it as Recommends: are installed by default (unless explicitly disabled) |
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| 15:02.28 | Sevet | good point |
| 15:02.36 | babilen | Sevet: Fair enough. Pity, that *could* have been a valuable bug report, but meh ... |
| 15:02.45 | babilen | moves on |
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| 15:03.03 | babilen | tga: yay :-D |
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| 15:04.44 | tga | babilen: works, thanks! |
| 15:05.10 | tga | font rendering is shit, but that's something for another day |
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| 15:06.34 | maxyz | tga: upgrade libcairo |
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| 15:07.08 | babilen | tga: Re-run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and switch from "Native" rendering to "Autohinter" |
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| 15:09.02 | mns | whehter I use XDM or LightDM, when ever any of my users exit out of their desktop (XFCE in this case), they leave behind /usr/bin/gpg-agent processes, one for each time they login. Any ideas/thoughts on how to track it down ? |
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| 15:15.08 | maxyz | mns: I think that's started by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent |
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| 15:15.58 | maxyz | I'm not sure there is a way to kill the agent on logout |
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| 15:16.35 | mns | maxyz: wonder what should be stopping it. I'll look at it and see if there is anything in there. thanks for hte pointer to it. |
| 15:17.11 | mns | maxyz: if you use a desktop environment, do you have those processes running ? how many ? |
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| 15:18.15 | maxyz | mns: The script seems to check it there is a gpg-agent running with the current user and terminating it. |
| 15:18.33 | maxyz | So, maybe this behaviour is expected |
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| 15:38.27 | wink | hello, is there a mirror of anonscm.debian.org? |
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| 15:39.31 | babilen | wink: alioth is down (disk problems) and no, I am not aware of a mirror |
| 15:39.31 | shovel_bosssss | wow much joined |
| 15:39.32 | shovel_bosssss | such staff |
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| 15:39.54 | wink | babilen: yeah I know, that's why I asked ;) thanks thougj |
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| 15:41.54 | ChrisH | Is upstart allready in current debian versions? |
| 15:41.54 | wget | Hi guys! Before Debian 7, I was accustomed to use loadkeys be-latin1 to configure my keyboard keymap to the belgian layout, but it doesn't work anymore since debian 7. I tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but it hasn't any effects on the GUI side. |
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| 15:46.31 | ksk | wget: wouldnt you tell your desktopmanager (like gdm) what keymap you would like at login time? like before you enter your password |
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| 15:47.12 | babilen | ChrisH: it is indeed -- fwiw, I would wait for the CTTE decision before switching to a different init system now |
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| 15:49.30 | ChrisH | babilen: thanks. I just did read the explanations several times without beeing sure I got it right. I need to create a new file to prevent a job/service from starting up. This does not really sounde like an improvment. (I compare to Solaris SMF). And I do not want to start anofftopic discussion or a flame war :) |
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| 15:54.25 | jjanvier | hi |
| 15:54.33 | jjanvier | is this the channel for debian testing ? |
| 15:54.46 | ChibaPet | I believe you want #debian-next on OFTC for that. |
| 15:55.05 | jjanvier | jjanvier #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
| 15:55.19 | ChibaPet | On OFTC, not Freenode. |
| 15:55.25 | ChibaPet | Different network. |
| 15:55.27 | jjanvier | arf, thanks |
| 15:55.44 | ChibaPet | try irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:01.41 | NellyCruxzy | hi guys, i know this is a strange question, but please answer it as best as you can without making a joke out of it please |
| 16:01.57 | NellyCruxzy | is it possible to assign write permissions without read? |
| 16:02.06 | ksk | NellyCruxzy: sure. |
| 16:02.14 | ChrisH | NellyCruxzy: short: yes.. and it can make sense |
| 16:02.24 | OpenTokix | NellyCruxzy: yes, often used in anonymous upload ftp's |
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| 16:02.28 | ksk | there are "write-only" filesystems, too ;) |
| 16:02.31 | NellyCruxzy | ksk: OMG you understand! |
| 16:02.44 | NellyCruxzy | you guys understand |
| 16:02.53 | NellyCruxzy | ok, how do i do it? |
| 16:03.19 | NellyCruxzy | whats the secret combination for this chmod? |
| 16:03.42 | OpenTokix | 0200 |
| 16:03.53 | ksk | ... read a little about unix file permissions, there are no secrets involved |
| 16:04.03 | OpenTokix | NellyCruxzy: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-bsd-chmod-numeric-permissions-notation-command/ |
| 16:04.20 | NellyCruxzy | thank you soooo much! |
| 16:04.22 | NellyCruxzy | =_ |
| 16:04.27 | NellyCruxzy | =))) |
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| 16:06.26 | DANtheBEASTman | so is anyone using nodejs from wheezy backports? is it just me or does it not include npm |
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| 16:07.55 | wink | I was never brave enough to try a packaged version of nodejs, ever |
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| 16:08.19 | wink | I usually recompile latest non-backwards-compatible version whenever I need it every few months (implicit criticism, yes) |
| 16:08.29 | maxyz | ,v npm |
| 16:08.31 | judd | Package: npm on i386 -- jessie: 1.3.10~dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.10~dfsg-1 |
| 16:10.30 | maxyz | dpkg: tell DANtheBEASTman about ssb |
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| 16:14.58 | DANtheBEASTman | oh so npm is only on i386, that explains why I can't install it |
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| 16:15.26 | DANtheBEASTman | I can backport it myself |
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| 16:15.31 | boudiccas | i've just added this http://paste.debian.net/65219/ to my .bashrc and now when i start anew page in my terminal, i get this 'bash: $'\302\240': command not found' but I cant find that exact pattern in the .bashrc. So how do I find it then please? |
| 16:16.34 | DANtheBEASTman | oh dear maybe not |
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| 16:18.16 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: dpkg sent you a private message on how to backport npm |
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| 16:19.05 | mattp_ | is it possible to apt-get install foo.deb? |
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| 16:19.15 | mattp_ | i want to use apt-get for dependency resolution of a given deb's dependency |
| 16:19.19 | maxyz | DANtheBEASTman: the ,v command show the versions on i386 but they are rarely different in amd64, you can check packages.debian.org for specifics |
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| 16:21.54 | DANtheBEASTman | maxyz: i'm familiar with how to backport, but npm relies on a whoole bunch of node packages |
| 16:21.55 | maxyz | boudiccas: Those two functions are not related to the error you pasted. |
| 16:22.27 | DANtheBEASTman | which means backporting dependencies and dependencies of dependencies |
| 16:22.45 | boudiccas | maxyz; well the error only appeared after the two functions were put into .bashrc, so i assumed that they were related |
| 16:22.50 | babilen | maxyz: It is not, install the .deb with dpkg and then run "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:22.57 | babilen | err |
| 16:23.06 | babilen | mattp_: It is not, install the .deb with dpkg and then run "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:23.16 | mattp_ | babilen: cool. thanks |
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| 16:23.19 | babilen | maxyz: Sorry, ENICK |
| 16:23.30 | maxyz | boudiccas: Revert the change and try again |
| 16:23.39 | maxyz | babilen: np |
| 16:23.55 | babilen | mattp_: You are, naturally, aware that we neither recommend nor support installing third-party packages. Which package is it if you don't mind me asking? |
| 16:24.20 | mattp_ | babilen: $work |
| 16:24.26 | mattp_ | we build and deploy with deb's |
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| 16:25.06 | boudiccas | maxyz; you're right, the error remains, but how do i find it in .bashrc please? |
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| 16:28.13 | babilen | mattp_: ack, Why don't you provide a proper repository for your packages then? (see "/msg dpkg own repo" and "/msg dpkg reprepro" for information on how to do that) |
| 16:28.25 | mattp_ | babilen: we do |
| 16:28.37 | mattp_ | but when im dev'ing i build my own copy |
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| 16:29.54 | Quantum` | Has anyone actually set your clock a few minutes off, and run ntpdate? It does not fix time. |
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| 16:30.52 | boudiccas | Quantum`; i thought that 'ntpd' handled it all with no intervention required? |
| 16:31.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell Quantum` -about ntpdate |
| 16:31.18 | Quantum` | boudiccas: It's supposed to, but have you atually tested it? |
| 16:31.28 | ChrisH | Quantum`: yes. many times |
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| 16:31.49 | wink | aren't there 2 modes? "instantly jump" or "adjust slowly" - so in mode 2 you'd have to wait a while |
| 16:31.54 | Quantum` | So you run a local time server all the time with an open port? |
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| 16:32.54 | ChrisH | Quantum`: I do run some ntpd in my local net or in the office. Show us what you did on paste.debian.net please. |
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| 16:33.28 | Quantum` | wink: When you set -b it's supposed to correct even when way off, but it doesn't. |
| 16:33.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Quantum` -about ntp |
| 16:33.40 | babilen | fwiw, /me has been using ntp for ages and it works fine |
| 16:33.48 | Quantum` | babilen: You're not paying attention. |
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| 16:34.49 | babilen | Quantum`: You might want to provide the output of "ntpq -np" -- How am I not paying attention? The information might have been a bit redundant, but how is a link to the wiki and other factoids a problem? |
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| 16:35.27 | babilen | Quantum`: Are you referring to the message you sent a second before I sent mine? |
| 16:35.41 | Quantum` | ChrisH: https://pastee.org/cz4q7 ...and the clock does not change. |
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| 16:36.28 | ChrisH | Quantum`: I am missing the date output before and afterwards |
| 16:36.50 | babilen | ntpdate is no longer maintained, obsolete and shouldn't be used. Use ntpd! |
| 16:36.59 | Quantum` | ChrisH: I don't understand. |
| 16:37.26 | ChrisH | Quantum`: and you should read man ntpdate and will find: -d Enable the debugging mode, in which ntpdate will go through all the steps, but not adjust the local clock. |
| 16:37.30 | Quantum` | babilen: So run a full time server on -each- or your machines, with 123 open? |
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| 16:38.17 | Quantum` | ChrisH: O hell, you got it. |
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| 16:38.51 | babilen | Quantum`: Indeed |
| 16:38.52 | Quantum` | I am fine with using ntp, but running a server on each machine is not secure. |
| 16:38.53 | mad | So I click on 'Networkinstallation' on the website and get a page to also download a 'small USB Image'. Which then gets me to a raw list of files of some download server. Since I have some linux experience I did look into the manifest file and found the compressed image which I then DD'ed to an usb stick. *But*, this is NOWHERE documented. Clicking through the documentation for your target arch you get to USB as an installation-media (german |
| 16:38.56 | mad | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.de#idp5299360 ) which tells me that usb are small storage devices and PCs can boot from there. What kind of stupid installation-documentation is this? Annoyance #1 |
| 16:39.05 | babilen | Quantum`: How is it not secure? |
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| 16:39.26 | Quantum` | You have 123 open, vulnerable to buffer overflows. |
| 16:40.02 | babilen | Quantum`: Please elaborate. Please note that the default configuration sets "restrict 127.0.0.1" and "restrict ::1" |
| 16:40.02 | mad | Annoyance #2: Once I booted this USB stick, it turns out to look for installation media or some manually selected ISO file. It says nothing about network installation. Where is this option hidden? Or des a bootable media I downloaded from the NETWORKINSTALLATIONMEDIA website actually not support networkinstallation? |
| 16:40.16 | Quantum` | So there is now no ntp client program that's not depreciated, and we are supposed to run the server on each machine? |
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| 16:40.36 | ChrisH | Quantum`: what does lsb_release -a show? |
| 16:40.49 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:41.01 | Posterdati | please I need help on direct wifi setup on wheezy |
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| 16:43.08 | babilen | Quantum`: I don't quite understand why you are so reluctant to install ntp on your boxes. It is, AFAIK, the recommended setup and the best way to ensure that time is indeed synced. The default configuration will only listen to requests from localhost won't it? |
| 16:43.17 | zykotick9 | mad: are you aware this iso is hybrid (cdrom/usb)? you can cat/cp/dd the iso to raw usb device, and it should work. |
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| 16:44.19 | zykotick9 | !tell mad about usb install |
| 16:44.35 | Quantum` | babilen: Any daemon with open ports in vulnerable. I've used ntpdate for many years so it will take some analysis to change. |
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| 16:45.10 | babilen | it is not open |
| 16:45.22 | Quantum` | ChrisH: Debian Jessie. (Testing) |
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| 16:46.21 | mad | zykotick9: Nope. That should be documented on the website IMHO - this usb-based netinstall installer that does not install from the net, nor the location of the hd-media/boot.img.gz is very confusing! |
| 16:46.22 | Quantum` | It doesn't make sense you run yet another server, when a client is what's needed. |
| 16:46.43 | babilen | Quantum`: Did you take a look at /etc/ntp.conf and do you understand that it only listens to localhost? |
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| 16:47.28 | Quantum` | babilen: Did you understand that a client is what's needed in this case? |
| 16:47.53 | zykotick9 | mad: teh regular netinst images are a lot easier then the hd-media stuff IMO. but use whatever you wish... best of luck. |
| 16:48.06 | babilen | Quantum`: http://paste.debian.net/65221/ relevant bit from README.Debian |
| 16:48.10 | ChrisH | Quantum`: standard approach: install ntp and either run it as broadast client or point it to your local ntpd done. |
| 16:48.22 | babilen | Quantum`: It is *configured* as client that synchronises with a different server. |
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| 16:49.57 | Quantum` | babilen: Apparently not. Apparently ntp is the client and ntpd is the server. Maybe you can just disable the server and use the client portion? |
| 16:49.59 | babilen | Quantum`: You require additional configuration if you actually want to use that box as server for other boxes .. which is, obviously, something you don't want. ntp is configured and acting in exactly the way you want with the only problem being that it could potentially provide a service to other boxes |
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| 16:50.36 | babilen | Quantum`: Which client are you referring to? |
| 16:50.45 | Quantum` | ntp |
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| 16:51.06 | Quantum` | Nm. I'll look at ntp more closely. |
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| 16:51.15 | babilen | Quantum`: How do you execute that one? In which package is it shipped? |
| 16:51.59 | Quantum` | babilen: I am gathering from what you tell me and the man page you posted that ntp is a time client which comes in the ntp package. |
| 16:52.56 | bluesm | pawel@debian:~/git/styleTest$ mkcd abc |
| 16:52.57 | bluesm | mkdir: cannot create directory `abc': No such file or directory |
| 16:53.05 | babilen | Quantum`: ntp is the ntp package and ntpd is configured in such a way that it acts as in "client" mode, which means that it only listens to localhost and will sync the local clock with other high stratum ntp servers |
| 16:53.13 | Quantum` | Whups there is no ntl. |
| 16:53.16 | Quantum` | ntp |
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| 16:53.32 | bluesm | Do you know what could be a problem ? I go out of the folder.. (cd .. and cd styleTest) and then mkdir started to work |
| 16:53.57 | babilen | Quantum`: In particular you should only have to open port 123 for outgoing NEW connections and then allow incoming ESTABLISHED -- The server will, in particular, neither listen to nor answer requestes from other boxes. |
| 16:54.41 | Quantum` | I don't like this, from a security standpoint. ntpdate still works so I'm sticking with that. |
| 16:54.45 | babilen | Quantum`: This setup is, among other things, explained in /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:55.26 | Quantum` | Unnecessary daemons are unsecure. |
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| 16:55.29 | babilen | Quantum`: ntpdate is no longer supported or maintained by upstream -- what is there not to like? ntpd *acts* as a client. It will contact a remote server and will under no circumstances talk to other boxes itself |
| 16:56.01 | Quantum` | babilen: There are always vulnerabilities when you open a port in any fashion. |
| 16:56.14 | jordanm | ntpd -q doesn't open any ports |
| 16:56.40 | babilen | Quantum`: Then run it "once" per boot and not have it daemonise. Don't see how that is something you'd want as that would defeat the entire purpose of it adjusting the clock permanently, but meh |
| 16:56.51 | babilen | Quantum`: You don't open a port |
| 16:57.31 | Quantum` | -q seems to be an option. I run it daily on cron. |
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| 16:57.55 | babilen | Quantum`: I've been repeating that a couple of times. It neither listens nor answers to requests from remote boxes. It *only* listens to localhost, but does *not* open a port. |
| 16:58.32 | Quantum` | babilen: Check lsod -i -n -P and you may be surprised. |
| 16:58.32 | Quantum` | lsof |
| 16:58.32 | babilen | ah, right |
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| 16:58.46 | babilen | Quantum`: It only listens to localhost |
| 16:59.18 | Quantum` | daemon. Open port. Subject to priv escalation. |
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| 17:00.06 | Quantum` | I've run Debian for 15 years, but there seems to be no security-consciousness. Probably out of ignorance. |
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| 17:00.52 | larks | `~` |
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| 17:03.07 | babilen | Quantum`: sure .. take a look at /etc/default/ntp -- and don't forget to file a bug to demonstrate your remote exploit of the standard configuration. |
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| 17:03.53 | Quantum` | babilen: Your sarcasm is not appreciated when I've tried to teach you something without making you look stupid. |
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| 17:04.15 | Quantum` | ntp -q will not correct large discrepencies. So it's ntpdate. |
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| 17:05.03 | babilen | Right, rather use an unmaintained and deprecated program ... |
| 17:05.37 | Quantum` | That's enough teaching here. |
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| 17:09.21 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 17:09.45 | TheWarden | I'm having some problems doing an apt-get upgrade. Take a look at the errors, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/7416668. How can I fix this? |
| 17:09.52 | TheWarden | I'm on Wheezy. |
| 17:10.00 | reavengrey | Wheezy |
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| 17:12.17 | TheWarden | ? |
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| 17:13.54 | amdp | did you typed those packages yourself? |
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| 17:14.10 | ksk | TheWarden: try another mirror, do an apt-get update before upgrading |
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| 17:14.27 | TheWarden | ksk: I've done that already. didn't fix anything. |
| 17:14.33 | ctmjr | paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.43 | TheWarden | all I did was do sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 17:14.48 | TheWarden | ctmjr: okay one sec. |
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| 17:15.54 | TheWarden | ctmjr: okay here is my sources.list, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/7416668 |
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| 17:18.26 | ctmjr | you need to change all the squeeze entries to wheezy then do apt-get update, apt-get uprade |
| 17:18.53 | ctmjr | *upgrade |
| 17:19.27 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: ahhh, wouldn't they need dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:21.18 | TheWarden | oh crap sorry I got mixed up. to many servers. This server is Squeeze. Slated for upgrade within a few weeks I hope. |
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| 17:22.48 | ctmjr | zykotick9, I always do apt-get upgrade first and if that goes ok then do apt-get dist-upgrade but your right should have put that in there |
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| 17:25.10 | TheWarden | so can I fix this for Squeeze or is this an issue because I need to upgrade to Wheezy? |
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| 17:28.16 | luichi | hello |
| 17:28.25 | hpsi | In debian, is the method to disable exec/startup of a service def'd in /etc/init/SERVICE to define an override: |
| 17:28.28 | luichi | where deb-src store source packages? |
| 17:28.28 | hpsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.35 | hpsi | as it is in Ubuntu? or other? |
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| 17:29.37 | n4777 | does rdp works on |
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| 17:30.02 | n4777 | debian can run RDP server? |
| 17:30.08 | ctmjr | TheWarden, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:31.47 | n4777 | my free vnc client app is too slow. i have to look for rdp because many free aps for rdp are availabale |
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| 17:32.30 | n4777 | i need to know if debian support rdp and if it does , what rdp server i need for debian? |
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| 17:33.11 | jhutchins_wk | n4777: Yes, it's supported, no, it's not any faster than VNC. |
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| 17:33.36 | jhutchins_wk | n4777: Possibly you need to look into non-GUI methods for what you're trying to do. |
| 17:33.47 | TheWarden | ctmjr: just update the software/libraries. |
| 17:34.08 | hpsi | n4777: take a look at freenx. significantly faster than vnc |
| 17:34.32 | n4777 | mouse pointer moves real slow. i dont think any rdp or vnc should be that slow on a hotspot |
| 17:35.15 | n4777 | i dont have many option for vnc client while there are bunch of free rdp clients i want to try |
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| 17:35.49 | jhutchins_wk | n4777: There are at lest three different OS VNC projects, really only one way to do RDP, and it's not any faster. |
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| 17:36.11 | jhutchins_wk | n4777: Usually niether VNC nor RDP will work on anything except a fast LAN, not suitable for WAN at all. |
| 17:36.56 | n4777 | i need it for LAN on hotspot (adhoc wifi) |
| 17:37.32 | jhutchins_wk | n4777: What does a GUI have to do with a wifi AP? |
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| 17:38.16 | n4777 | i think the vcn client i am using is slower than other vnc and rdp clients. i used teamviewer and one more vnc client that expired. both were runing good |
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| 17:39.00 | n4777 | i did not say that GUI makes difference in speed |
| 17:39.09 | pirret | teamviewer is good |
| 17:39.31 | pirret | works through several firewalls and so on |
| 17:39.47 | n4777 | teamviewer is good but other clients offer better keyboard |
| 17:40.04 | carbon_monoxide | I'm using guided partitioning in the installation process. Can I use btrfs for all partitions except swap? |
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| 17:40.33 | n4777 | teamviewer was crashing real bad on fedora, not sure if it was problem with fedora or teamviewer |
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| 17:41.35 | teraflops | carbon_monoxide: i think all except boot and swap |
| 17:42.20 | carbon_monoxide | teraflops: Thanks! The guide partitioning doesn't make me a partition for /boot. |
| 17:42.34 | teraflops | yw |
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| 17:43.27 | carbon_monoxide | How can I use the quick and dirty guided partitioning, and add /boot after it created the partition recommendation? |
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| 17:44.17 | n4777 | thanks for help, i want to check freenx also. |
| 17:44.40 | ChibaPet | carbon_monoxide: Manual partitioning is pretty trivial to do, even if you add things like LVM and RAID. Worth a look. |
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| 17:45.23 | ChibaPet | carbon_monoxide: Put another way, you don't want the guidance the installer is offering, so you should try the manual option. |
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| 17:45.56 | carbon_monoxide | I just want to be lazy |
| 17:46.01 | carbon_monoxide | honestly :) |
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| 17:47.03 | honestly | ): |
| 17:47.10 | TheWarden | okay, so I found out that the software I want is no longer being provided for Squeeze, Iceweasel. So how can I remove it, so I can get rid of the errors for now, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/7416668? |
| 17:47.37 | TheWarden | I already removed iceweasel itself. |
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| 17:48.11 | ChibaPet | carbon_monoxide: Well, you can do it however you like, but what you're describing is more work than just going in and using the manual partitioner. Even calling it 'manual' is kind of a larf when you compare it with using disklabel and calculating cylinders and all the stuff we used to have to do. |
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| 17:51.01 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: What software? |
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| 17:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: ... and why would you remove iceweasel? |
| 17:52.12 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: Iceweasel is no longer available for Squeeze and honestly I don't need it. It's a server. see this, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/7416668 |
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| 17:52.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions iceweasel |
| 17:52.48 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.1.0esr-1; experimental: 25.0-1 |
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| 17:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I don't know why you would think that, iceweasel/firefox is the default browser for most linux distributions. |
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| 17:53.55 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: as it states this right here, http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 17:54.39 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: select squeeze and it shows that it's no longer being offered. |
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| 17:54.47 | jhutchins_wk | Versionitis. |
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| 17:55.17 | honestly | select version 3.5 |
| 17:55.24 | arcado | guys, when i'm installing debian 7.0 into my laptop i get a prompt asking for the firmware of my network driver. it ask's for a .fm file and i can't find it. i've already download some tar.gz files but can't use it in the install. Someone knows where i should look for more info? It's a broadcom 4313 wifi |
| 17:55.37 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: But yeah, don't need a browser on a server. Again, what software are you trying to remove? |
| 17:55.47 | jhutchins_wk | honestly: Or 10 from backports. |
| 17:56.05 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: Iceweasel. I removed the packages but the dependencies are still present it seems. I'm trying to remove them manually now. hopefully this won't break anything :-). |
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| 17:56.29 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: You can look into deborphan, or you can just not worry about it. |
| 17:56.58 | tremon | TheWarden: as long as manually removing them involves dpkg -r, nothing will break |
| 17:57.22 | TheWarden | tremon: Oh I was just going to do apt-get remove packagename |
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| 17:57.37 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: oh never heard of that. interesting. |
| 17:57.46 | tremon | that should work too, depends on whether your current config is broken or not |
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| 17:59.15 | tremon | !tell arcado about installer firmware |
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| 17:59.33 | TheWarden | argh what a pain. All I want to do is remove this damn packages and for some reason it wants to remove and then install. argh. |
| 17:59.43 | TheWarden | so of course that won't work. |
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| 18:00.19 | tremon | arcado: have you read the installer manual? It also includes links to installers that do have firmware built-in |
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| 18:02.54 | TheWarden | oh finally I think I've got it figured out. |
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| 18:04.46 | ChibaPet | TheWarden: How did you end up with Iceweasel on a server install in the first place? Just curious. |
| 18:04.57 | KDEHelpoo | Hi! I'm trying to install ksociograma in debian wheezy but configure gives me error checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0)...ive installed almost all qt libraries...but not working yet...any ideas? |
| 18:05.39 | TheWarden | ChibaPet: oh long story, basically other people that can't handle using a server without a GUI. LOL they will be out of luck, all my upgrades will be without GUI. waste of resources. |
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| 18:06.15 | ChibaPet | =shudder= |
| 18:07.22 | TheWarden | So I know it's possible to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy. However it is still really best to setup a fresh install of Wheezy and then migrate over? |
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| 18:07.40 | KDEHelpoo | I'm quite desperate |
| 18:07.49 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: no. |
| 18:08.05 | tremon | KDEHelpoo: have you tried installing either qt4-sdk or qt5-sdk? |
| 18:08.16 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: about the only reason to do that is if you're running something in production, in which case you usually bring up the new machine beside it on an image |
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| 18:08.36 | dondelelcaro | (and in which case, you should probably be using puppet or similar to do all of the setup for you, too) |
| 18:08.54 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: well I have a few in production but I can work on them in the evening so little will be affected. |
| 18:08.56 | KDEHelpoo | tremon: I'm trying qt-dsk now |
| 18:09.07 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yeah, for small numbers in production, I tend to just do the upgrade |
| 18:09.21 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh I would love to use puppet it sounds so amazing. just never done it and I have limited time at the moment due to a major project. |
| 18:09.45 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yeah; puppet is pretty neat and useful; I'm still getting better at using it myself |
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| 18:09.56 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: okay, thanks for the feed back. Do you happen to have some good resources on how to setup puppet/use? I may consider playing with it at home first and then deploy at work. |
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| 18:10.18 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: I've basically been copying stuff from what Debian's DSA does |
| 18:10.22 | teus_ | hi, i upgraded my debian stable box. for some reason it didnt install libapache2-mod-php. i installed it, and now my entire apache config is broken |
| 18:10.28 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: but I'm certain there are better examples and better learning resources out there |
| 18:10.30 | teus_ | im so baffled i dont know where to start |
| 18:10.38 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: links? |
| 18:10.40 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: but like you, I haven't really had enough time to spend on it |
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| 18:11.06 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: yeah I know how that is... never enough time in the day :-). |
| 18:11.12 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=mirror/dsa-puppet.git;a=tree;f=modules/exim/files/common;h=339e8429fd726df33e4925b02e81739cd18e94e0;hb=HEAD |
| 18:11.19 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: though that is down currently, that's where you'd want to check |
| 18:11.29 | dondelelcaro | (the alioth machine is having issues with its disks) |
| 18:11.34 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: okay thanks |
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| 18:15.54 | KDEHelpoo | tremon: qt-sdk installed...but still the same error |
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| 18:16.31 | teus_ | for a virtualhost, where do i place the directory permissions? |
| 18:16.57 | teus_ | in apache |
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| 18:18.19 | tremon | KDEHelpoo: then you need to check the configure log file (config.log?) to see what exactly failed, and search for the correct -dev package containing those missing files. If you've already installed all relevant -dev packages, maybe the program only works with qt3 |
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| 18:18.47 | KDEHelpoo | tremon: what if only works with qt3? |
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| 18:19.42 | tremon | then you need to either install all of qt3 manually, or hope the qt3 packages from squeeze still install on wheezy, or port the application to qt4 |
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| 18:22.54 | rryoumaa | how do i show the not upgraded in "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded"? |
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| 18:23.31 | tremon | rryoumaa: aptitude search ~U, iirc |
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| 18:23.35 | rryoumaa | great, thanks |
| 18:23.47 | tremon | otherwise, apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
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| 18:24.51 | teus_ | i upgraded apache2 and php and now everything is broken |
| 18:24.55 | teus_ | where i can find the release notes? |
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| 18:26.01 | Elirips | Hello. Can I somehow "shrink" PDFs in debian? I used the office-scanner to scan some documents, now I realized that every page is around 5Mega, as the scanner scanned it with 1200dpi and simply inserted an image into the pdf.. |
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| 18:26.29 | teus_ | you want to reduce teh DPI or change the compression |
| 18:26.47 | Elirips | can I do that without having to re-scan everything? |
| 18:26.56 | Walex | Elirips: yes but it can be a bit painful. There are tools to extract the pages one by one, and then you run a script on the resulting images. |
| 18:26.58 | Elirips | aptitude install ..??.. :P |
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| 18:27.25 | teus_ | i think imagemagick can do it Elirips |
| 18:27.25 | Walex | Elirips: for document scans the best compression algorithm probably is still DJVU. |
| 18:27.33 | Elirips | Walex: well, then it would maybe be easier to re-scan everything with a lower resolution.. |
| 18:27.34 | teus_ | convert -density 400 image.pdf -resize 25% image.png |
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| 18:27.47 | Elirips | teus_: okay, I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 18:27.48 | zykotick9 | Elirips: if you still have access to the image files, you might be able to use imagemagick.... teus_ go it ;) |
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| 18:28.05 | zykotick9 | s/go it/got it/ |
| 18:28.28 | Walex | Elirips: it is not just resolution -- many PDF producers by default use imnapproppriate compression for images or none at all. |
| 18:28.49 | teus_ | i upgraded apache2 and PHP. theyre totally broken. where do i find the release notes to see wtf is going on? |
| 18:28.51 | Walex | Elirips: there are also a few groups of PDF oriented tools which are very powerful. |
| 18:28.54 | Elirips | Walex: yes, and the built-in pdf creater of the scanner/copy machine is maybe not that advanced |
| 18:29.06 | Walex | Elirips: that is indeed a common case. |
| 18:29.20 | zykotick9 | teus_: i'm afraid to ask, but how did you upgrade them? |
| 18:29.25 | teus_ | apt-get upgrade |
| 18:29.37 | Walex | Elirips: my first place to look for freeware sw is Freecode.com |
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| 18:30.45 | waynr | how does one prevent pulseaudio from starting on a per-user basis? |
| 18:31.32 | Walex | Elirips: BTW this search returns a numnver of HOWTOs that might be useful: https://www.google.com/search?num=100&safe=images&as_q=pdf+tools+compress+images+resize |
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| 18:33.33 | Walex | Elirips: one random suggestion is to *print* the PDF to another PDF with a lower DPI |
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| 18:33.49 | Elirips | Walex: wow, thats a pretty cool idea |
| 18:34.09 | Walex | Elirips: http://askubuntu.com/questions/113544/how-to-reduce-pdf-filesize/113547#113547 for some links |
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| 18:35.38 | Walex | Elirips: Another toold that _might help is Calibre, which is an e-book system, including a converter, and it convert from PDF to a number of e-book formats, and I suspect also to DJVU or similar. |
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| 18:38.19 | Elirips | Walex: thanks. convert from imagemagick is doing a fine job so far and I can script it easily |
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| 18:39.07 | Elirips | If I save the generated png with gimp it shrinks once again about 75% of the size |
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| 18:40.15 | jhutchins_wk | Elirips: The problem is that PDF is meant to be a text-based markup language, and when you scan you get pure images, which PDF doesn't handle as efficiently |
| 18:40.34 | Elirips | yes, some scanner that would do ocr would be more efficient |
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| 18:40.45 | Elirips | and the things I^ve scanned here would be easy for ocr |
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| 18:41.17 | jhutchins_wk | Elirips: Scanners don't do OCR, software does. |
| 18:41.31 | Elirips | okay, "the software in the scanner" |
| 18:41.53 | mo1991 | is anyone doing mutliseat with wheezy? I understand that it worked on squeeze but not wheezy due to gdm3 vs gdm, but it is possible to install gdm from sqeeze on wheezy so wondering if anyone has this working? Also are there any good howto's for wheezy, the debian docs are rather outdated. |
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| 18:43.33 | jhutchins_wk | mo1991: There are about six different login managers you can install, gdm is not your only option. Which work well with multiseat I don't know. |
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| 18:44.43 | mo1991 | jhutchins_wk - true. I tried to do this around a year ago and had some trouble with the at the time "testing" version of wheezy. Was curious if anyone here has done it with wheezy. |
| 18:44.46 | mo1991 | lately |
| 18:45.26 | teus_ | hey, i need release notes. i just upgraded my debian stable machine, and apache config got broken |
| 18:45.29 | teus_ | i fail to find the right notes, i need some help |
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| 18:46.18 | jhutchins_wk | !errata |
| 18:46.18 | dpkg | Last minute notes regarding Debian 7 "Wheezy" are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/#errata |
| 18:46.42 | zykotick9 | mo1991: (not really helpful, but) if you check back in the IRC logs for this channel, i guess (but it might have been a day or so more) that in the last 24hrs you'll see someone make a comment that they missed multiseat in wheezy... i have no details on the matter, just wanted to point out what i remember seeing. |
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| 18:48.06 | mo1991 | zykotick9 - ya I've heard similar things. At first I thought this was due to gdm3 rather than gdm, but I think that may only be part of it (gdm is easy to install on wheezy as I have it from squeeze) |
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| 18:49.21 | mo1991 | I run a sort of mutliseat (four monitors / keyboards / mice) but it's all one login, just 4 x sessions so you drag mouse from one xscreen to the other. You can use from any "console" but can't have mutli users at same time due to only 1 software mouse. |
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| 18:49.33 | mo1991 | XFCE 4.10 does this well. |
| 18:49.59 | JordanJ2 | I am looking to install debian and not sure if I should get the DVD or CD? |
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| 18:50.29 | jhutchins_wk | JordanJ2: It's usually easiest to get the netinstall image and that way you just download what you need. |
| 18:50.31 | mo1991 | JordanJ2 - if you can net install I'd use the netinstall cd |
| 18:50.55 | JordanJ2 | What is a 'netinstall' |
| 18:51.10 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: do you NEED wi-fi _during_ install? |
| 18:51.21 | JordanJ2 | No |
| 18:51.26 | JordanJ2 | After, yes |
| 18:51.35 | zykotick9 | that's good ;) after is easy enough. |
| 18:51.51 | mo1991 | it pulls most of the install from the internet so you get latest packages. IN your case you need a hardwired network connection to do it tho |
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| 18:52.38 | mo1991 | netinstall is the easiest way if you have a wired Internet connection available. |
| 18:52.49 | JordanJ2 | I do not. |
| 18:53.05 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: NOTE, some wifi works great out of the box with wheezy (including connecting to wpa/wpa2) BUT that requires FREE driver support from your hardware. |
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| 18:53.46 | JordanJ2 | zykotick9, On a old laptop of mine I could never get wireless working |
| 18:53.54 | mo1991 | Jordan22 - there is no way for you to wire your internet connection just for the install? |
| 18:54.18 | JordanJ2 | Correct |
| 18:54.29 | Walex | note also that there are pretty generic USB dongles for both wireless and wired networking |
| 18:54.38 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: in that case, it's good you have access to hardwired connection. but, i'd certainly suggest you try netinst method (IMO it's the only way to install). best of luck. |
| 18:54.48 | chris_____ | Hi, i am a Debian beginner. I just want to know how to completly restart a "make". I scratched my log file... and want to restart make again. But now its much faster, and didn't output relevant informations. It seems already to be compiled... i read about a bin subdirectory of source... but there isn't a bin directory... so my question would be "How to kill all make results and restart make form the start"....? |
| 18:54.56 | mo1991 | if there is not, there is somewhere a hybrid debian CD that includes the "non-free" firmware I believe that should get wifi going without need to have a hard wire |
| 18:55.15 | mo1991 | JordanJ2 see above |
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| 18:55.33 | zykotick9 | mo1991: i believe JordanJ2 is all good - they have WIRED connect for install. |
| 18:55.53 | Walex | chris_____: that's entirely up to the authors of the 'make' configuration file. There should be a 'clean' rule in it; if there isn't it is not a well written 'make' file. |
| 18:56.08 | JordanJ2 | Well, I am looking to install from a VMWare machine then my host operating system |
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| 18:56.50 | chris_____ | its the makefile of MariaDB so i think its written very well... what should i search within the makefile to get the directory? |
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| 18:57.34 | Walex | chris_____: usually the 'clean' rule deletes *all* intermediate compilation byproducts. |
| 18:57.34 | chris_____ | ah, sorry.... the clean rule... i will try... |
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| 18:57.53 | chris_____ | Thank you! |
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| 19:07.29 | jhutchins_wk | Walex: Some makefiles don't need a clean rule. |
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| 19:24.17 | jaami_ | i want to use JAP but dont know how. is there any other firewall or proxy in debian? |
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| 19:26.07 | arthurfiggis | jaami: well, if you're familiar with ubuntu ufw is available :) |
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| 19:27.14 | jaami_ | its good easy to use and has gufw as well. in debian i could not find it |
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| 19:27.24 | jaami_ | i mean in terminal, |
| 19:27.54 | jaami_ | did anybody use JAP? |
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| 19:30.29 | applepi | hello all! :) my company is looking at building a custom ARM board with the iMX6, and I'm planning to try and get debian up and running on it, and I was just wondering if anyone had any "TURN BACK" red flags about this particular idea |
| 19:31.22 | applepi | it seems to have good device tree support and googling around seems a stable choice, but first hand accounts are always nice too |
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| 19:39.35 | luichi | hello |
| 19:39.42 | luichi | where are package sources stored? |
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| 19:42.18 | jhutchins_wk | !ufw |
| 19:42.18 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
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| 19:43.35 | jordanm | luichi: in the repo along witht he binary packages |
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| 19:44.53 | velus | hello im using debian 6 trying to set up ispconfig and got to one part wich is go to {ip}/phpwebadmin yet that is showing 404 not found i have installed php apache2 phpmyadmin and mysld but cant for the life of me figure out why it aint showing phpmyadmin |
| 19:45.54 | jhutchins_wk | velus: Check the README files in /usr/share/doc/... |
| 19:46.16 | gueust43563 | anyone know where is monospace font? |
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| 19:48.59 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: There are several. |
| 19:49.16 | gueust43563 | there is one called Monospace |
| 19:49.40 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: aptitude search monospace? apt-file search monospace? |
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| 19:50.26 | mns | apt-cache search monospace |
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| 19:50.54 | velus | sorry crashed |
| 19:51.14 | jhutchins_wk | velus: http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
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| 19:51.51 | velus | yes im following the setup but i cant get asccess to the {ip}/phpmyadmin |
| 19:53.07 | gueust43563 | jhutchins_wk, no result |
| 19:53.20 | jhutchins_wk | velus: Check the README files in /usr/share/doc/... |
| 19:54.23 | gueust43563 | find /usr/share/|grep Monospace |
| 19:54.27 | gueust43563 | didn't get result |
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| 19:55.03 | well_laid_lawn | try find /usr/share -iname "*mono*" |
| 19:55.21 | well_laid_lawn | piping find output through grep isn't cool |
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| 19:55.42 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: Well, it wouldn't unless it were installed. |
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| 19:56.06 | gueust43563 | I have that font in applications |
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| 19:56.13 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: Most packages in debian are lowercase too. |
| 19:56.24 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: locate monospace |
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| 19:57.54 | mns | gueust43563: which application do you have that font in ? |
| 19:57.57 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: Actually ... I think "monospace" might be one of those placeholders that can be fulfilled by an appropriate font, as opposed to a specific font. |
| 19:57.59 | gueust43563 | jhutchins_wk, mostly webkit |
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| 19:58.34 | Plarkplark_ | Can anyone help me out. Weird thing. |
| 19:58.36 | jhutchins_wk | Like "sans serif" can be filled by any of several fonts. |
| 19:58.37 | Plarkplark_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:58.37 | Plarkplark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.47 | Plarkplark_ | But... |
| 19:58.48 | Plarkplark_ | ii libboost-filesystem1.49.0 1.49.0-3.2 amd64 filesystem operations (portable paths, iteration over directories, etc) in C++ |
| 19:59.03 | velus | its ok got it now |
| 19:59.06 | Plarkplark_ | 1.49>1.42 right? Why does it not take it/ |
| 19:59.12 | gueust43563 | jhutchins_wk, so which one does it use? |
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| 19:59.22 | jhutchins_wk | Plarkplark_: You have a bad package. |
| 19:59.38 | jhutchins_wk | gueust43563: Depends on what you have installed. |
| 19:59.39 | Plarkplark_ | jhutchins_wk meaning, wrong deps? too old? It' |
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| 19:59.59 | Plarkplark_ | it's a squeeze package on a wheezy system. |
| 20:00.04 | gueust43563 | of course , but how do I find out, there are severl xmono fonts |
| 20:00.56 | jhutchins_wk | Plarkplark_: This is why we don't mix releases. |
| 20:01.14 | mns | Plarkplark_: more than likely, it has a dependency which is tied to an explicit version (=1.42.0) rather than ( >= 1.42.0) |
| 20:01.17 | Plarkplark_ | ok clear. I think it is bad practice to install SID package on wheezy as well? |
| 20:01.31 | jhutchins_wk | Plarkplark_: Very much so. |
| 20:01.33 | Plarkplark_ | I want to stay within stable release. |
| 20:01.34 | mns | Plarkplark_: yes it is |
| 20:01.35 | jhutchins_wk | !ssb |
| 20:01.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:01.35 | Plarkplark_ | ok good thanks. |
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| 20:07.04 | alteregoa | i got a strange udp packet loss issue |
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| 20:10.07 | Guest90298 | Hi everybody. I just installed debian. my LAN works great. When I use wifi. a connection is established but i get no internet |
| 20:10.49 | pirret | can you ping the gw? |
| 20:10.53 | Guest90298 | I think i installed the correct firmware. I cannot ping the gateway |
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| 20:13.07 | luichi | in which directory are debian packages downloaded? |
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| 20:14.07 | Guest90298 | luichi: how can i know that? |
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| 20:14.44 | Plarkplark_ | Guest90298 post output of ifconfig and route -a |
| 20:15.37 | Plarkplark_ | brb |
| 20:15.37 | JordanJ2 | is Debian looking now like Fedora now? |
| 20:16.15 | JordanJ2 | I'm getting a fedora looking Debian |
| 20:16.20 | BadOgre | luichi, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:17.24 | Guest90298 | Plarkplark_: http://pastebin.com/4D1YWjkG |
| 20:17.52 | Guest90298 | Plarkplark_: flag "a" of route is not recognized |
| 20:18.28 | frikinz | -n |
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| 20:19.15 | Cpt-Oblivious | Has anyone here gotten the i210at nic running under debian? |
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| 20:20.30 | Guest90298 | Plarkplark_: frikinz: http://pastebin.com/Cvg5iXuP |
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| 20:20.44 | Guest90298 | It seems that I have no ip on my wifi interface |
| 20:20.51 | Cpt-Oblivious | Since I can't for the life of me get my Nic's working under Debian. |
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| 20:21.04 | Guest90298 | but I run dhclient |
| 20:21.39 | frikinz | Guest90298: you have 2 conflicting networks. eth0 and wlan0 share the same segment. ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 20:22.11 | frikinz | ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 |
| 20:22.30 | frikinz | depends what you use to start your network actually |
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| 20:23.17 | Guest90298 | frikinz: I removed the lan cable, downed my eth0 interface. but it didn't work |
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| 20:23.40 | frikinz | Guest90298: you have to reinit your wlan0 interface cause the default gateway is linked to your eth0 |
| 20:23.40 | Guest90298 | I still have the same problem, interface is connected but no internet, frikinz |
| 20:24.02 | frikinz | Guest90298: look at the last paste you sent, the 0.0.0.0 line |
| 20:24.35 | Guest90298 | I just have to down it and up it to reinit it? |
| 20:24.42 | frikinz | yes |
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| 20:29.00 | kirat | frikinz: I doen't work. Here are the outputs of ifconfig and route: http://pastebin.com/ATmGmHGc |
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| 20:29.46 | frikinz | there's nothing wrong there kirat. can you ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 20:30.24 | kirat | frikinz: no i can't. If fact, i can't ping my gw |
| 20:30.42 | Gregor_ | Can someone telle me how to get info of an ip address? |
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| 20:30.54 | Gregor_ | Like his Facebook profile |
| 20:30.59 | Gregor_ | or anything? |
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| 20:31.26 | frikinz | kirat: arp -an |
| 20:31.46 | frikinz | kirat: this ip you got it through dhcp right? |
| 20:32.18 | frikinz | kirat: arp -an should mention your gateway ip and mac |
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| 20:34.20 | kirat1 | frikinz: I get this: ? (192.168.1.254) at 94:fe:f4:8c:d3:c2 [ether] on wlan0 |
| 20:34.53 | Gregor_ | what is arp-an |
| 20:35.25 | Gregor_ | your lan address? |
| 20:35.44 | Gregor_ | 192.168.1.254??? is your lan address i think! |
| 20:36.05 | kirat1 | no it s my gw address |
| 20:36.39 | Gregor_ | the lan address of your router? |
| 20:36.47 | kirat1 | yep |
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| 20:40.28 | EstebanMonge | exit |
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| 20:45.26 | jelly-home | stage left |
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| 20:46.13 | ctmjr | :) |
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| 20:47.15 | ctmjr | jelly-home, ^^took a minute but i got it |
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| 20:50.09 | microcluster | hi |
| 20:50.43 | microcluster | is testing usable for desktop use? |
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| 20:51.36 | esaym153 | anyone know of a good website or application to track time spent on a project/task and also make a nice billing receipt? Kind of like http://www.blinksale.com/ I have also used ktimetracker but it doesn't export to any kind of clean bill... |
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| 20:52.22 | ovidiu-florin | hello world |
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| 20:54.00 | kirat1 | frikinz: problem solved writing "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf |
| 20:54.03 | frikinz | esaym153: I've used hamster but it doesn't seem to be maintained anymore |
| 20:54.26 | frikinz | kirat1: ok. well done. which router is that? sagem? |
| 20:54.51 | frikinz | kirat1: livebox |
| 20:54.52 | kirat1 | YEP |
| 20:55.02 | ovidiu-florin | I'm trying to set up a static IP, but I've done something wrong, I think. I've set up in /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth0 inet static with the address netmask and gateway. I've also set up /etc/resolv.conf with 3 nameservers but I haven't put any search in it. is that necessary? |
| 20:55.02 | frikinz | le truc en bois |
| 20:55.21 | kirat1 | lol un peu ouais |
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| 20:58.52 | cafuego | ovidiu-florin: `search' isn't necessary. |
| 20:58.58 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: no. you can set your nameservers direclty in interfaces file. dns-nameservers 4.4.4.4 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:59.59 | abrotman | microcluster: some days yes, some days no .. |
| 21:00.44 | microcluster | abrotman, so, is not a good idea upgrade from stable ? |
| 21:01.35 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: and can I leave the /etc/resolv.conf empty? |
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| 21:02.39 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: yes |
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| 21:03.23 | frikinz | wonder if resolvconf is needed though |
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| 21:05.39 | gasull | Hi. My keyboard application shortcuts for XFCE don't work. I think I'm experiencing this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1055810 How can I fix it? |
| 21:06.27 | abrotman | microcluster: depends how good your debian skills are .. |
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| 21:07.53 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: anyway, your problem is elsewhere |
| 21:08.17 | luichi | where source packages are stored in the disk? |
| 21:09.03 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: yeah... I was using NAT instead of bridged |
| 21:09.07 | ovidiu-florin | thank you |
| 21:09.10 | frikinz | luichi: in the directory where the apt-get source command was run |
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| 21:10.43 | arthurfiggis | microcluster: i was using ubuntu previous to debian, which i've only been using a couple of weeks...but i find stable is quite good for desktop use itself, moreso with backports enabled :) haven't used testing |
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| 21:13.56 | microcluster | ok,thanks, i'll stay on stable |
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| 21:15.55 | james41382 | I have some movie clips I want to put together into a movie to burn to a dvd. Does anyone have an opinion about a good program I can use to do this? |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | kdenlive maybe |
| 21:16.24 | arthurfiggis | microcluster: someone here in the channel pointed this out to me...i can't remember who :) but it's a list of backports available for wheezy, that could help you decide: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages |
| 21:16.38 | arthurfiggis | james41382: a good one that's available in the repositories is devede |
| 21:16.41 | Cpt-Oblivious | How do I install Debian with the latest kernel? |
| 21:17.05 | arthurfiggis | james41382: that does exactly what you want it to...i think :) very easily allow you to burn most any type of movie to a dvd |
| 21:17.18 | _3o3_ | hello.. anyone here manage to transfer music to an iphone that uses ios 7? |
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| 21:19.13 | arthurfiggis | Cpt-Oblivious: well, if you're using stable and you enable backports, you can get up to version 3.10 in pre-built packages if i remember right :) |
| 21:19.27 | arthurfiggis | i'm not sure if you can select that during installation though |
| 21:19.28 | alami | hello, i have an old laptop with 1Gb RAM, and i have installed ubuntu, but it's slow, is debian good for 1Gb Ram old laptop |
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| 21:19.50 | Cpt-Oblivious | I see |
| 21:19.58 | Cpt-Oblivious | since my nic drivers are supported from 3.5 onwards |
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| 21:21.48 | microcluster | arthurfiggis, yes i know i'm already using them |
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| 21:22.24 | BadOgre | alami, any distro will be good |
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| 21:22.50 | BadOgre | if you install light applications and desktop environment |
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| 21:24.39 | james41382 | wonders how Unity does with system resources |
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| 21:25.23 | JordanJ2 | Hello, Is it new that debian looks more like fedora? |
| 21:25.26 | james41382 | abrotman arthurfiggis thanks. |
| 21:26.00 | james41382 | _3o3_: I think you're sol. I was reading that you can't connect to a iPhone >= 7.0 using linux anymore.. |
| 21:26.09 | frikinz | JordanJ2: what looks like fedora? |
| 21:26.14 | JordanJ2 | Debian |
| 21:26.30 | blawiz | can one install iso-8859-10 through repo? get "Character set name (ISO-8859-10) is invalid or not installed" when trying to send mails through thunderbirds, that has øæå in subject |
| 21:26.57 | arthurfiggis | JordanJ2: they both use gnome 3 by default if that's what you mean |
| 21:28.06 | james41382 | abrotman: I'm still rather green here. Is kdenlive designed for use with kde and if so is it fine to install and use if I'm on gnome? |
| 21:28.41 | james41382 | err anyone? kde apps in gnome? is it fine? |
| 21:28.48 | alami | BadOgre: i need netbeans and firefox |
| 21:28.53 | DammitJim | I have 4 different java applications that I need to start up automatically on boot |
| 21:29.07 | DammitJim | a java service wrapper has been suggested, but what is the problem with not using one? |
| 21:29.28 | james41382 | alami: You should probably use a lighter gui like xfce or something |
| 21:29.30 | frikinz | james41382: yes, fine |
| 21:29.37 | james41382 | frikinz: Thanks. |
| 21:29.43 | larks | is imshow in octave not working for anyone else in testing? |
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| 21:29.52 | BadOgre | alami, no probloem with that |
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| 21:30.30 | BadOgre | alami, simply install xfce or lxde |
| 21:30.31 | alami | james41382: do you thing if i delete gnome and insall bfluxbox, my laptop will be quicker |
| 21:30.36 | larks | oohhhh, nm, durp |
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| 21:30.49 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: here's my /etc/network/interfaces http://goo.gl/aGPwW6 I can't get out. |
| 21:31.19 | james41382 | alami: google fluxbox and read about how it performs in terms of system with less resources |
| 21:31.28 | BadOgre | alami, try xubuntu or lubuntu |
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| 21:31.58 | alami | BadOgre why ubuntu and not debain |
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| 21:32.07 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: any ideeas what's wrong? |
| 21:32.17 | juudas | Hello :) |
| 21:32.27 | BadOgre | alami, debian is ok |
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| 21:32.30 | grep0r | ehlo |
| 21:32.41 | BadOgre | i'm using debian |
| 21:32.42 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: not really. what gives ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 21:32.53 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: that's the google DNS |
| 21:32.57 | alami | ok thanks |
| 21:33.10 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: I know lol. but what does this command do on your box |
| 21:33.24 | ovidiu-florin | 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=1 ttl=50 time=31.2 ms |
| 21:33.34 | juudas | Looking for a channel with ppl that can code in java, is there anyone here on freenode? :) |
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| 21:33.45 | ovidiu-florin | juudas: #java ? |
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| 21:34.01 | juudas | Its +i on that channel |
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| 21:34.18 | ovidiu-florin | juudas: I don't know what that means |
| 21:34.18 | juudas | It was the first thing i tried, hehe |
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| 21:34.27 | james41382 | ovidiu-florin: ##java |
| 21:34.29 | juudas | You have to be invited to be able to join |
| 21:34.52 | juudas | Ah i need to be identify'd to join, will reg my nick then |
| 21:35.08 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: but: ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 21:35.24 | juudas | james41382: Thanks |
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| 21:36.40 | BadOgre | bye |
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| 21:36.50 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: did you ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 . if yes, what is in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:37.27 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: after reboot resolv.conf is empty |
| 21:37.41 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: could be that you need resolvconf package so that nameserver lines in interfaces are transfered to /e/resolv.conf |
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| 21:37.55 | frikinz | echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:37.57 | anddam | aptitude had an issue while installing dbconfig-common as suggested while configure phpmyadmin, it seems it correctly went through the second time, is that correct? https://gist.github.com/anddam/7420806 |
| 21:38.01 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: ^ |
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| 21:39.53 | ovidiu-florin | frikinz: how does resolvconf work? the package, I mean |
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| 21:41.21 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: I'd avoid installing it if you don't really need it. it centralies changes of /e/resolv.conf |
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| 21:41.51 | ovidiu-florin | I've already installed it |
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| 21:42.09 | ovidiu-florin | is that centralisation bad? |
| 21:43.01 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: no, its just that you loose control of /e/resolv.conf which you should not change anymore by hand |
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| 21:43.29 | ovidiu-florin | aham, thank you |
| 21:43.30 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: then you can read the manual of resolvconf and check the line dns-nameservers. man resolvconf |
| 21:43.53 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: all nameservers on a single line, not 3 lines |
| 21:44.19 | glycol | frikinz: i think that's "man resolv.conf", with a dot |
| 21:44.21 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: read it carefully ;) |
| 21:44.50 | glycol | doesnt work for me without the dot |
| 21:45.17 | frikinz | glycol: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolvconf_program . It should not be confused with the configuration file resolv.conf, which unfortunately has a nearly identical name. The resolvconf program is optional on a Debian system |
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| 21:45.18 | ChibaPet | glycol: There's a config file and a program. |
| 21:45.29 | glycol | ooooohh |
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| 21:50.45 | juudas | Im looking for someone that have some time over and want to do me a big coding favour! We can discuss price and so on in private. I hopw its not to hard but since i dont know anything about programming i have no clue. |
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| 21:51.27 | juudas | The script can work on both linux and windows even i myself prefer windows, but in the end it doesnt really matter |
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| 21:52.36 | Pucilowski | What package is responsible for the volume control icon in the tray area? |
| 21:53.13 | stooger | Hi. I'm having a bit of a dependency problem. I'm running jessie and I've enabled multiarch for a few things. I recently installed 'pipelight' which requires some i386 libav stuff |
| 21:53.25 | stooger | In the process it seems to have removed the amd64 equivalents |
| 21:53.29 | stooger | which have crippled mplayer |
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| 21:54.05 | stooger | since I need the i386 packages for pipelight apt can't remove them (or re-install mplayer) without completely removing pipelight so I am stuck |
| 21:54.05 | zykotick9 | stooger: not everything is multiarch aware (i have no idea about mplayer specifically!) |
| 21:54.33 | stooger | I'm looking for a way to keep both the amd64 and i386 libs alive on my system |
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| 21:55.49 | frikinz | juudas: myself prefer linux. what should the script do? |
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| 21:58.32 | glycol | is there some kind of standard way of creating a bootable debian image that copies itself to ram at boot and continues to run when every storage device is removed? there are some tiny linux OSs that do this |
| 21:59.09 | frikinz | option toram sometimes |
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| 22:07.14 | luichi | frikinz: a so if i dont run apt-get source the source package is not stored no? |
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| 22:08.50 | frikinz | luichi: debian is a binary based distro, not like gentoo |
| 22:09.04 | luichi | frikinz: okok |
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| 22:11.00 | frikinz | ovidiu-florin: I've to leave. put all nameservers on 1 line and its dns-nameservers with an s ;) |
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| 22:14.22 | JordanJ2 | Hello, I am getting a error while installing steam : |
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| 22:15.02 | JordanJ2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.03 | JordanJ2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.02 | glycol | jordan: the .deb package valve provides only works on newer ubuntu distros, use something like this: https://gist.github.com/grindars/4231563 for debian wheezy |
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| 22:18.52 | JordanJ2 | glycol, That is the ltest version of Debian? |
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| 22:20.07 | glycol | the latest stable is Debian 7.2 |
| 22:20.34 | JordanJ2 | How would I use that? |
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| 22:21.22 | Shadur | JordanJ2: The same way you 'use' any other linux distribution. |
| 22:22.03 | JordanJ2 | I do not know how to use this script, nor download it |
| 22:22.46 | musca | Shadur: the point was: steam requests a newer libc6 |
| 22:25.10 | JordanJ2 | I've download the script put it in a empty directory. Not what? |
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| 22:27.04 | glycol | jordan: paste this in to a terminal: wget https://gist.github.com/grindars/4231563/raw/80d36cc7739fb1f101d7e043c5e92101118d98b2/steam_bootstrap.sh; chmod +x steam_bootstrap.sh; ./steam_bootstrap.sh |
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| 22:29.44 | Aliekezhi | any idea about this error messge ? http://paste.debian.net/65324/ |
| 22:29.50 | Aliekezhi | message) |
| 22:30.19 | glycol | i think it installs a steam icon in the menu and/or on the Desktop |
| 22:30.22 | JordanJ2 | ./steam_bootstrap.sh: line 25: ar: command not found |
| 22:30.35 | grimeton | JordanJ2: apt-file search bin/ar |
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| 22:32.24 | JordanJ2 | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 22:32.42 | grimeton | JordanJ2: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
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| 22:35.30 | apofis | Aliekezhi: sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update |
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| 22:36.18 | themill | A little late upgrading to squeeze, are we? |
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| 22:37.33 | glycol | jordan: sudo apt-get install binutils |
| 22:37.59 | glycol | the binutils package contains "ar" |
| 22:38.57 | themill | wonders why the script is using ar |
| 22:38.59 | Aliekezhi | http://paste.debian.net/65324/ |
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| 22:39.08 | grimeton | shit happens |
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| 22:42.33 | glycol | jordan: after you installed binutils run steam_bootstrap.sh again |
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| 22:43.40 | glycol | just write ./steam_bootstrap.sh and press enter |
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| 22:45.07 | Aliekezhi | apofis, ok thx |
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| 22:46.00 | kandinski | I have a problem with an upgrade from squeeze -> wheezy |
| 22:46.04 | kandinski | http://paste.lisp.org/display/139862 |
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| 22:47.03 | kandinski | I've tried adding squeeze sources and installing libc-bin by hand, but now a lot of packages are kept back |
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| 22:47.43 | blocky | anybody know how to mount a nexus 4 phone in wheezy? I built mtpfs from source but it doesn't seem to connect to my device, even though it appears to discover it |
| 22:47.49 | themill | kandinski: I don't think wheezy is going to be happy on that kernel btw. (I'm surprised squeeze was) |
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| 22:49.12 | kandinski | themill: I don't understand it at all |
| 22:49.12 | drasko_ | hi all, I added init=/sbin/bootchartd to U-Boot bootargs and I am getting: /etc/init.d/rcS: line 19: can't create /dev/null: Read-only file system |
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| 22:52.28 | luichi | can i remove hplip package if i dont have any hp product? |
| 22:54.08 | shingouz | luichi: afaik, yes |
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| 22:58.59 | luichi | shingouz: aha, the description of the package is not clear to m |
| 22:59.04 | luichi | *to me |
| 22:59.09 | Leoneof | how to tell apt-get install -d to download all nonfree packages? |
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| 22:59.38 | Leoneof | or maybe apt-mirror? |
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| 23:00.38 | shingouz | luichi: it is needed to run some hp printer/scanners, maybe something else but it should be pretty low-risk to remove. reinstalll if you find out that something just refuses to work |
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| 23:04.10 | blocky | any tips for upgrading from stable to testing? |
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| 23:04.38 | Nik05 | blocky #debian-testing on OFTC |
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| 23:04.52 | abrotman | blocky: for what reason? |
| 23:05.00 | abrotman | Nik05: why would you send him there? |
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| 23:05.12 | Nik05 | abrotman isnt that for testing? |
| 23:05.15 | abrotman | and that's the wrong channel anyway |
| 23:05.19 | abrotman | Nik05: they can ask here too |
| 23:05.32 | Nik05 | oh sorry and i meant #debian-next oops |
| 23:05.40 | abrotman | he can still ask here .. |
| 23:05.45 | Nik05 | ok :) |
| 23:05.50 | blocky | anyone know why mtpfs was in squeeze but isn't in wheezy? |
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| 23:06.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell blocky about removals |
| 23:06.34 | Nik05 | abrotman i thought babilen always said this was for stable and next was for testing/unstable |
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| 23:06.51 | abrotman | Nik05: tha'ts like saying people can't ask here about amd64 because #debian-amd64 exists ... |
| 23:06.58 | themill | ,bug 696552 |
| 23:07.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/696552 in mtpfs (closed, security): «mtpfs merges internal and external SD card directories»; severity: grave; opened: 2012-12-22; last modified: 2013-05-05. |
| 23:07.03 | blocky | im kind of disappointed that my nexus 4 not only doesn't work out of the box but that i haven't been able to access it with about 30 mins of googling and messing in the terminal |
| 23:07.07 | Nik05 | no thats not abrotman |
| 23:07.16 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 23:07.18 | abrotman | same idea |
| 23:07.28 | abrotman | that's a neat bug |
| 23:07.32 | Nik05 | no its not, babilen said it, completely different |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | i think you don't understand what i said .. |
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| 23:08.34 | Nik05 | well your analogy is incorrect, thats not what i meant |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | No, it's not |
| 23:08.58 | Nik05 | i thought babilen said this channel for just for stable and he prefered questions about testing in debian-next |
| 23:09.00 | pirret | yes, it is |
| 23:09.10 | pirret | :-D +q again? |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | pirret: tha'ts not correct, the other channel specializes in testing/unstable, it's still ontopic here |
| 23:09.31 | abrotman | pirret: would you like one? You're not useful anyway |
| 23:09.50 | Nik05 | ok abrotman, i just thought that |
| 23:10.00 | abrotman | So when I said you misunderstood, you did |
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| 23:10.12 | blocky | so im new to the debian package lifecycle, what needs to be fixed for this to move into testing? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mtpfs;dist=unstable |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | looks |
| 23:10.26 | blocky | is grave functionality the same as release critical? |
| 23:10.43 | Nik05 | no |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | blocky: there's a page with bug severity levels |
| 23:11.05 | themill | grave bugs are release critical, yes |
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| 23:11.26 | abrotman | let's have Nik05 just keep saying random things .. he'll get it right sooner or later .. |
| 23:11.27 | blocky | so has mtpfs been broken since jan 2012? |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | blocky: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | blocky: yes, with no activity on that bug since Feburary, 2013 |
| 23:12.04 | dondelelcaro | blocky: yes, grave is also RC. |
| 23:12.07 | blocky | wonders if he can fix it and make everyone's phones work again |
| 23:12.31 | Nik05 | abrotman what wrong? |
| 23:12.34 | abrotman | blocky: it would be appreciated, many people miss that package from what I understand |
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| 23:13.21 | blocky | abrotman: i wonder if the reason it hasn't been fixed is because it's particularly difficult |
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| 23:13.40 | abrotman | I haven't read the whole bug yet |
| 23:13.46 | Nik05 | abrotman i guess you should read better before commenting on me |
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| 23:14.05 | abrotman | Sure .. |
| 23:14.35 | blocky | do i need to upgrade to unstable to work on it? |
| 23:14.37 | Nik05 | yes you should ;) |
| 23:14.47 | Nik05 | no not you |
| 23:14.54 | Nik05 | i meant abrotman should |
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| 23:15.17 | StarFscker | Hullo |
| 23:15.23 | Nik05 | he said release critical is the same as grave, which isnt true abrotman |
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| 23:15.31 | blocky | the messages on that bugs page are not sorted by date? |
| 23:15.41 | StarFscker | I have a dependency issue going on over here. |
| 23:15.46 | Nik05 | grave bug is release critical but release critical doesnt have to be grave |
| 23:16.14 | abrotman | Nik05: two other people already corrected you |
| 23:16.41 | abrotman | StarFscker: do we get more details? |
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| 23:16.59 | StarFscker | abrotman: sorry, thought I was onto something for a second |
| 23:17.09 | StarFscker | So, apparently wine-unstable is already the newest version |
| 23:17.20 | Nik05 | sorry abrotman but i dont see them |
| 23:17.26 | abrotman | Okay |
| 23:17.43 | StarFscker | it warns that wine-unstable depends on wine-bin-unstable but is not going to be installed or wine64-bin but is not installable |
| 23:18.01 | StarFscker | when I try an apt-get -f install... |
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| 23:18.28 | StarFscker | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:18.42 | Nik05 | abrotman "lets have Nik05 just keep saying random thing .. he'll get it right sooner or later" |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | StarFscker: would this be easier to show us in a pastebin? (paste.debian.net) |
| 23:18.52 | Nik05 | i could say the same for you abrotman |
| 23:18.58 | StarFscker | I was giving the condensed version :P |
| 23:19.03 | themill | Nik05: please drop it |
| 23:19.30 | abrotman | StarFscker: yeah, but the details are important |
| 23:19.41 | Nik05 | well he should read and dont react like this |
| 23:19.48 | StarFscker | http://paste.debian.net/65344/ |
| 23:19.50 | StarFscker | there you go |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | Thanks |
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| 23:19.59 | Nik05 | themill i dont say random stuff |
| 23:19.59 | james41382 | What is a good program to rip a dvd to video file so I can edit it? |
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| 23:20.17 | themill | Nik05: a lot of what yo say tends to be very ambiguous and easily misinterpreted. It comes across as either random or wrong. |
| 23:20.37 | StarFscker | ignore the winecfg part, I was just confirming that I was still running the stable version |
| 23:20.37 | james41382 | I have this collection of home videos from when my fiance was young and she wants to put a clip from it onto another dvd we're making for her father's birthday. |
| 23:21.04 | james41382 | I tried acidrip and dvdrip, but they don't seem to be in the repos. |
| 23:21.10 | Nik05 | themill he asked if grave was same as release critical, i said no, because its not ;) |
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| 23:22.51 | StarFscker | james41382: your fiance is still young. she shall always be young in your heart |
| 23:22.56 | themill | Nik05: except that wasn't what was _meant_ by the question. It's better to provide the useful information instead. Not everyone is very comfortable in English and will often ask slightly imprecise questions. |
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| 23:23.26 | abrotman | Release critical bugs have a severity of critical, grave, or serious. |
| 23:23.36 | Nik05 | yes |
| 23:23.38 | ctmjr | james41382, kdenlive might be what you need |
| 23:23.41 | abrotman | gives up |
| 23:23.44 | james41382 | StarFscker: thanks |
| 23:23.50 | Nik05 | so please dont say i say random stuff abrotman |
| 23:24.02 | abrotman | ok, wrong stuff. Have a good night |
| 23:24.03 | james41382 | ctmjr: I have been using that to put together these clips. I'll look around and see if it has something like that. thanks |
| 23:24.16 | Nik05 | wasnt wrong, you should read better |
| 23:24.23 | Nik05 | you too |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | StarFscker: can you try "aptitude install wine-unstable" ? |
| 23:25.17 | StarFscker | didn't work |
| 23:25.32 | abrotman | StarFscker: what's the error? same error? |
| 23:25.41 | StarFscker | http://paste.debian.net/65347/ |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell StarFscker about overwrite |
| 23:26.25 | StarFscker | dpkg wants nothing to do with you |
| 23:26.26 | dpkg | StarFscker: no idea |
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| 23:26.44 | abrotman | StarFscker: it's a bot, he told you stuff |
| 23:26.54 | StarFscker | ah, found it. |
| 23:27.03 | StarFscker | let's see... |
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| 23:27.22 | abrotman | might be easier to just install the libwine you already have installed |
| 23:27.43 | StarFscker | Well, at least I'm not the crazy one. |
| 23:27.45 | dondelelcaro | looks like wine-bin-unstable has a missing Breaks/Replaces |
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| 23:27.57 | StarFscker | I'll have that bug report filed straight away, figured I'd do a sanity check first though |
| 23:28.09 | dondelelcaro | StarFscker: yeah, I'll just file it for you, actually |
| 23:28.24 | StarFscker | oh, thank you very much, dondelelcaro |
| 23:28.54 | azio_m | I am wondering if Debian Jessie is stable enough for day to day use? |
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| 23:29.16 | StarFscker | Also, if it's consequential, I'm on Sid |
| 23:29.32 | StarFscker | i386 |
| 23:29.44 | StarFscker | azio_m: yes. |
| 23:29.52 | dondelelcaro | StarFscker: yeah, not a big deal; it's just an RC bug which needs to be filed |
| 23:29.55 | StarFscker | azio_m: in my opinion |
| 23:30.03 | StarFscker | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 23:30.51 | abrotman | azio_m: it depends on your usage patterns, and how comfortable you are with debugging broken packages |
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| 23:32.02 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey guys I spaced. I need to mount a drive to /storage1. How would I do so? |
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| 23:32.33 | StarFscker | Seth_Hikaru: what's the format and where's it located? |
| 23:32.37 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: mount /dev/foo /storage1; man mount for details. |
| 23:32.47 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay |
| 23:33.02 | Seth_Hikaru | So mount /dev/sdc1 /storage1 was correct. |
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| 23:33.11 | StarFscker | what'd it return? |
| 23:33.11 | Seth_Hikaru | I just wanted to confirm before I did it. I was spacing out. |
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| 23:33.15 | Seth_Hikaru | I haven't done it. |
| 23:33.19 | StarFscker | oh ok |
| 23:33.27 | Seth_Hikaru | Just wanted to confirm. |
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| 23:33.36 | Seth_Hikaru | I know it's right now that I was reminded. |
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| 23:33.47 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks StarFscker an dondelelcaro! :) |
| 23:33.52 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: in the future, man mount; will help you remember too |
| 23:34.05 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks! ^^ |
| 23:34.12 | dondelelcaro | (specifically "mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir") |
| 23:34.40 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: no problem |
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| 23:34.57 | ChibaPet | Ooh, the job I started earlier has reached Globe Production 1. Globe Production 3 shouldn't be more than an hour or two away! :P |
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| 23:35.54 | ChibaPet | Wrong channel. |
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| 23:38.53 | Seth_Hikaru | Glad you guys are so nice. |
| 23:38.59 | Seth_Hikaru | #centos is a bunch of pricks. |
| 23:39.28 | wenshan | I installed Debian 7.2 with one of the default disk partition configurations, `df -h' gives this http://dpaste.com/1456579/ . Now the root partition is running out of space while the home partition has 200 GB free space. How can I shrink the home partition and enlarge the root partition? Is gparted safe for doing this? |
| 23:39.39 | ChibaPet | They're okay in there. They react to a lot of trolling though. |
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| 23:41.46 | Seth_Hikaru | I asked a legit question years back and just got basically told to get f***ed. |
| 23:41.59 | Seth_Hikaru | I won't even go back. |
| 23:42.07 | Seth_Hikaru | I know so much in CentOS anymore. |
| 23:42.21 | Seth_Hikaru | Use it on my servers (unfortuneatly). |
| 23:42.23 | StarFscker | Seth_Hikaru: debian is the most normal distro ever. |
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| 23:42.35 | Seth_Hikaru | Debian is the best distro ever IMO. |
| 23:42.42 | Seth_Hikaru | Very well rounded. |
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| 23:43.09 | Seth_Hikaru | If I could run Cpanel on Debian without jumping through hoops I would. |
| 23:43.20 | ChibaPet | Seth_Hikaru: I used to have the same bad opinion of #debian here, but I eventually changed my mind about it. A thick skin helps. |
| 23:44.05 | Seth_Hikaru | Also I just formatted my drive. Unless I seem to be on crack shouldn't your block say more than 0+? O_o |
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| 23:44.18 | Seth_Hikaru | I assume it should say full amount. |
| 23:44.24 | Seth_Hikaru | What the heck did I do wrong. |
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| 23:44.47 | abrotman | ChibaPet: I think he's saying he needs Cpanel and it's too hard on Debian |
| 23:45.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I derped. |
| 23:45.08 | ChibaPet | abrotman: He was saying #centos is full of pricks. But that too. |
| 23:45.09 | Seth_Hikaru | I missed a step. |
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| 23:45.24 | Seth_Hikaru | Unix administration is bad idea when it's nearing time to sleep. |
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| 23:45.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Especially on a system that is not yours and you will be KILLED if you mess something up. |
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| 23:48.33 | Seth_Hikaru | dondelelcaro: I did that just now and it told me mount point does not exist... |
| 23:48.43 | Seth_Hikaru | mount /dev/sdc1 /storage1 |
| 23:48.49 | Nik05 | you need to create it |
| 23:49.12 | Nik05 | mkdir /storage1 |
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| 23:51.32 | Seth_Hikaru | OMG |
| 23:51.40 | mumpitzel | Seth_Hikaru: I suggest something like /media/storage1 or so. not in the / directory |
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| 23:51.43 | Seth_Hikaru | I must be really rusty from not mounting drives for years. |
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| 23:52.25 | Seth_Hikaru | I use to do it so much in Puppy Linux I think I had the entire hex code partition type table memorized. |
| 23:53.04 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: while i agree making new directories under / isn't great... i don't think manually mounting under /media the the greatest idea either. i'd leave /media for the automounter... YMMV |
| 23:53.10 | Seth_Hikaru | Why is it asking for the filesystem type. |
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| 23:53.33 | Seth_Hikaru | I feel old now. |
| 23:53.45 | Seth_Hikaru | I don't remember this stuff anymore. |
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| 23:54.19 | mumpitzel | zykotick9: then use something else. /mnt or whatever. or create something dedicated for mounting |
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| 23:55.06 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: personally, i have a bunch of directories created under /srv for mountpoints. /mnt i leave for temporary mounting. |
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| 23:55.34 | Nik05 | Seth_Hikaru whats the filesystem type? |
| 23:55.53 | Seth_Hikaru | I did it as hexcode 83 under fdisk. It should be ext3 though. |
| 23:56.08 | ChibaPet | Seth_Hikaru: "The Unix Systems Administration Handbook" is a great read if you can get a copy. It'll refresh your memory, and it's fun browsing material in any event. |
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| 23:56.37 | zykotick9 | Seth_Hikaru: fdisk does NOT format. did you format the partition after creating it? |
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| 23:57.43 | Seth_Hikaru | I don't think I did. |
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| 23:58.31 | Seth_Hikaru | ChibaPet: Have a link to the latest edition? |
| 23:58.39 | Nik05 | fdisk just creates the partition, you still need to create the filesystem |
| 23:58.45 | james41382 | I am looking for a dvd ripper. I'm working on putting together some clips for a gift and I want to add something off an old dvd home video. I added the debian multimedia repos to sources.list, but I'm getting errors about dependencies. (http://paste.debian.net/65356/) Any ideas? I have not received messages like this before using apt. |
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| 23:59.03 | ChibaPet | Seth_Hikaru: http://admin.com/ |
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