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| 00:22.58 | kirat | How do i know know which gnome version i am running? |
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| 00:23.24 | abrotman | kirat: which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 00:34.24 | themill | dpkg: tell Pikudoz about root |
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| 00:38.24 | kruug | How do I debug an X11 error "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." |
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| 00:57.37 | tomman | Nice, copying the debian/ directory, editing the changelog to set the version number and editing a libwine.install-common to remove a now-missing file was enough to build my packages. |
| 00:57.51 | tomman | Time to test them in my crashdummy setup |
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| 01:05.16 | tomman | Well, they do work... except for a single part. |
| 01:05.32 | tomman | need to figure out if I need to patch something on the source code or fix some configure option |
| 01:05.57 | themill | while your packaging probably isn't enough to get the newer wine into debian, once you're done it might be useful for others or at least a useful data point for the maintainers. Sending your wine_1.7.x-0.1.diff.gz to the bug report might be helpful. |
| 01:06.02 | tomman | it tries to update my settings with /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/../share/wine/wine.inf, which obviously is wrong because it does not exist. |
| 01:06.11 | tomman | it should be /usr/share/wine/wine.inf |
| 01:07.04 | themill | sounds like datadir isn't being used properly |
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| 01:12.52 | tomman | Wow, I'm not alone: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714556 |
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| 01:13.30 | tomman | Now that's weird: it was present on 1.5 (and on 1.6 RCs...), but not on 1.6 final |
| 01:13.35 | tomman | yet it's back on 1.7.x |
| 01:14.18 | tomman | All right, just found my patch. |
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| 01:15.24 | tomman | (first google hit for "wine.inf datadir", indeed) |
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| 01:18.01 | nkadun | hi guys, I'm working with sequeeze and can't find out how to set 'ulimit' permanently even if add '* - nofile 65535' to /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 01:18.42 | nkadun | could someone help me figure it out? |
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| 02:02.13 | petn-randall | nkadun: What does 'ulimit' output for you? |
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| 02:13.24 | caravel | petn-randall: the string "unlimited" :D why? |
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| 02:23.31 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 02:25.16 | petn-randall | nkadun: Better even, 'ulimit -a'. Paste that to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 02:37.08 | caravel_ | just seen the backlog :DD night all |
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| 02:38.12 | indes | any chance of getting a 2.6 kernel on jesse? (lol, I know, I know.) |
| 02:38.20 | indes | I really don't want to build one |
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| 02:39.22 | blocky | anyone know what key combo in gnome3 will cause the file menu of xterm to open? it's happening while I'm typing and the menu is rapidly opening and closing |
| 02:39.25 | blocky | i think my keyboard is malfunctioning |
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| 02:41.15 | abrotman | alt-f |
| 02:42.32 | blocky | abrotman: that isn't responding at all atm |
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| 02:43.58 | blocky | may have stopped |
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| 02:44.26 | blocky | i dropped my computer earlier a little too hard so hopefully i didn't do any real damage |
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| 02:46.18 | nkadun | @pnetn-randall hi |
| 02:47.02 | nkadun | @petn-randall hi |
| 02:47.33 | nkadun | oh...how to @ someone? |
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| 02:48.08 | nkadun | :petn-randall hi |
| 02:48.13 | dvs | nkadun: If you mention their handle in a sentance, theyll see it. |
| 02:48.39 | nkadun | ok, thx |
| 02:49.05 | nkadun | dvs do you know how to set nofile limit in sequeeze? |
| 02:49.14 | dvs | nope |
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| 03:06.20 | lkthomas | thanks |
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| 03:49.51 | MrBIOS | Hi folks, I'm doing an unattended PXE install of Debian and it's failing to load the preseed after successfully pxe booting |
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| 03:50.04 | MrBIOS | this appears to be due to the e1000 kernel module never actually loading |
| 03:50.11 | MrBIOS | (as evidenced by modprobe) |
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| 03:54.14 | tomatosalad | is there a good set of GUI GPG tools? |
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| 03:56.06 | themill | tomatosalad: kgpg is fine -- it's all going to depend on what you want to do though |
| 03:57.52 | nonconvergent | java applets don't seem to be showing up in iceweasel |
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| 03:58.35 | nonconvergent | but I have icedtea installed |
| 03:59.11 | tomatosalad | themill: anything that's for GNOME/cinnamon? |
| 03:59.21 | themill | probably |
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| 04:00.06 | abrotman | seahorse maybe |
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| 04:01.51 | blocky | anybody ever experienced a bug where (with no keyboard input) the file menu in xterm opens and closes rapidly so it's flickering and you can't type into xterm |
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| 04:03.16 | themill | sounds like the alt key is stuck down (or X thinks it is). Try mashing on the keys homer simpson style and see if that helps. Or switch to VT1 and then back. |
| 04:03.26 | themill | (are you using something like synergy here?) |
| 04:03.43 | blocky | themill: no synergy |
| 04:03.55 | blocky | and it's persisted across multiple reboots |
| 04:04.20 | blocky | in the interest of full disclosure i should say that i dropped the laptop harder than i should have earlier |
| 04:04.21 | themill | fun |
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| 04:04.27 | themill | heh |
| 04:04.38 | dondelelcaro | was going to suggest removing the keyboard, but that won't help in this case |
| 04:04.44 | blocky | it's hardly the first time that's happened though, it's a thinkpad and im not particularly gentle with it |
| 04:04.54 | blocky | dondelelcaro: i was considering replacing the keyboard if it doesn't stop |
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| 04:05.07 | blocky | it seems to be intermittent too, it's not happening now |
| 04:05.08 | dondelelcaro | blocky: you might try just unplugging the keyboard |
| 04:05.22 | blocky | and both alt keys still work |
| 04:05.22 | dondelelcaro | (though thinkpad keyboards aren't particularly expensive) |
| 04:06.19 | blocky | dondelelcaro: yeah it would be a good excuse to clean it anyway |
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| 04:07.25 | blocky | it seems to have stopped for the time being |
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| 04:07.53 | themill | did you drop it the other way up? |
| 04:08.21 | Penix | wow. a wild dondelelcaro! |
| 04:08.37 | blocky | it was closed and sideways in my backpack and i forgot and dropped the backpack from about a foot |
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| 04:18.21 | nonconvergent | java applets don't seem to be showing up in iceweasel but I do have icedtea installed |
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| 04:20.00 | themill | nonconvergent: icedtea-7-plugin? |
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| 04:42.27 | jcrow | hi debian people, i'm wondering if i can run glibc 2.14 on wheezy |
| 04:42.54 | jcrow | it seems the default is 2.13 and i added Jessie to my sources and that distro seems to have 2.17. is 2.14 available anywhere? |
| 04:43.42 | nonconvergent | themill: yup |
| 04:44.11 | nonconvergent | ...nope. |
| 04:44.12 | nonconvergent | The heck |
| 04:44.36 | jcrow | i guess i can download source and compile, but i'm surprised there's no binary of glibc 2.14 somewhere in one of the debian repos... lemme know how to find out my friends? |
| 04:44.38 | themill | nonconvergent: might also want to update-java-alternatives to make sure you've got the right one |
| 04:44.42 | Cyis | jcrow: so much depends on libc that would need to be recompiled |
| 04:44.53 | themill | jcrow: not a good plan |
| 04:45.09 | Cyis | better off looking to see if wheezy-backports has the updated version and use it |
| 04:45.36 | Cyis | or if it's that important upgrade to jessie |
| 04:45.37 | themill | jcrow: that's a sign that you're using things not designed for your distribution. |
| 04:45.49 | jcrow | themill: you are correct. |
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| 04:46.18 | jcrow | Cyis, I see. I think I've already got wheezy-backports in my sources and i don't find 2.14 in there. |
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| 04:47.09 | themill | you won't find libc6 in backports |
| 04:47.11 | jcrow | themill: i wanted to run an ubuntu program which is some compiled python code and i'm getting an error about GLIBC 2.14 being required so i started looking around to see if i could get that package. |
| 04:47.27 | themill | jcrow: grab the source and rebuild it. |
| 04:47.40 | themill | the source of the program that is, not glibc |
| 04:47.51 | jcrow | themill: i'm fraid its not available (at least i don't think it is) |
| 04:48.04 | Cyis | and chances are that program if it's in the ubuntu mirror might actually have a backport |
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| 04:49.28 | jcrow | i don't think the program is in the ubuntu repo, i believe it's just distributed by a website |
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| 04:50.24 | jcrow | i can be specific. it's the desktop client for sealswithclubs.eu bitcoin poker. they just released a linux 'ubuntu' version. i find it irksome that it doesn't have debian support but i thought maybe i could get it to run anyway. |
| 04:50.25 | Cyis | jcrow: what's the license on the program |
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| 04:51.54 | jcrow | Cyis: after double checking, i don't find any license info. all that was in the zip was the binary and some empty directories where some logs will be stored and a changelog. |
| 04:52.05 | jcrow | oh and a dir with some .wav files |
| 04:52.35 | Cyis | hope they're not utilizing any GPL code then :) |
| 04:52.45 | jcrow | Cyis: good point! |
| 04:52.55 | jcrow | if they are, they have to release the source, right? |
| 04:59.36 | Cyis | jcrow: yes |
| 05:00.40 | jcrow | well i'll post about this on a relevant forum and see if i can get a reply. |
| 05:00.49 | jcrow | i'm sad that i can't install multiple verions of glibc though. |
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| 05:01.51 | jcrow | i was hoping i could have more than one version installed. |
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| 05:02.37 | Cyis | jcrow: you could make a jesse chroot to run it under but it's not going to have 2.14 it's gonna have a newer version than that if I'm not mistaken |
| 05:02.59 | Cyis | glibc is essentially libc6 which just about everything depends on so upgrading it is non-trivial |
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| 05:09.12 | Cyis | jcrow: I may have to check that out since I haven't been able to play since PokerStars was shutdown... at least cash games for US players |
| 05:10.16 | jcrow | Cyis: the web-browser version works fine on debian and i enjoy playing there. I excited about the desktop client because the web version is a flash app and flash is sorta terrible :) |
| 05:10.27 | jcrow | also there's an android app which works fine. |
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| 05:15.39 | vmiimu | hi is anyone availale to answer a few questions regarding lvm -- specifically --merge ? |
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| 05:18.25 | Rusty1 | vmiimu: there's a #lvm channel if you havent already |
| 05:18.42 | vmiimu | rusty1 thanx didn't know |
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| 05:23.04 | shafox | nodejs package isn't available in debian package repos. |
| 05:23.11 | shafox | i am on wheezy |
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| 05:24.42 | Rusty1 | !versions nodejs |
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| 05:26.18 | Rusty1 | !nodejs |
| 05:26.19 | dpkg | [node.js] an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine. Currently in sid and experimental only, see http://bugs.debian.org/611698 . Further help can be found in #node.js on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:26.33 | themill | also in wheezy-backports |
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| 05:32.15 | vmiimu | how is it possible to view the progress/status of lvcreate --merge? |
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| 05:35.03 | grimeton | vmiimu: lvdisplay ... |
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| 05:37.34 | shafox | NodeJS:::: so as of now there is no way to install from packages in wheezy other than the repo in wheezy-backports. only manually we have to do it. |
| 05:39.18 | themill | shafox: using wheezy-backports would be the best way |
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| 05:41.31 | blocky | anybody installed steam on wheezy? i want to play counter strike |
| 05:44.41 | shafox | as of now only node 0.6 is supported in wheezy-backports themill ? not upper version ?? |
| 05:45.20 | themill | what makes you say that? |
| 05:45.37 | shafox | i only see that file in the index |
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| 05:45.42 | shafox | site** |
| 05:45.57 | themill | ,v nodejs |
| 05:45.58 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1; sid: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1 |
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| 05:46.27 | shafox | ooh |
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| 05:49.31 | blocky | why would i want to track "jessie" instead of "testing" ? |
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| 05:52.02 | themill | !testing sources.list |
| 05:52.02 | dpkg | Using "testing" instead of the current codename (e.g. jessie) in your sources.list isn't as bad as using stable in your sources.list; you will just seamlessly continue to track the "testing" distribution following a release. Note that for a few months just after a release, testing can be a pretty bumpy ride... perhaps running stable would be a better idea? See also <stable sources.list>. |
| 05:52.56 | blocky | ah i see |
| 05:52.58 | blocky | ty |
| 05:54.27 | blocky | k upgrading now, wish me luck |
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| 05:58.02 | blocky | lol i just downloaded 700 new packages and all it had to tell me was that curl is now using a threaded dns resolver |
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| 06:05.07 | nonconvergent | I track releases and manually jump releases when I do. |
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| 06:05.34 | nonconvergent | When it breaks, I know why. ^_^ |
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| 06:08.38 | blocky | from now until jessie becomes stable, jessie is synonymous with testing right? |
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| 06:09.48 | tomman | For my purposes (Linux-on-the-Desktop(TM)), Testing is Good Enough. |
| 06:10.02 | tomman | Sure, it's a bumpy ride sometimes, but that's normal. |
| 06:10.51 | tomman | blocky: Steam on Wheezy is a big pain. |
| 06:11.02 | tomman | Used to be a minor pain when the Linux beta launched last year |
| 06:11.14 | tomman | Now it has gone beyond the Point of No Return anyway. |
| 06:11.38 | tomman | If you're going to use Steam and play actual games, I highly suggest you to move onto Jessie anyway. |
| 06:11.45 | blocky | tomman: steam on jessie is okay>? |
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| 06:11.56 | tomman | Sure, it's even on the Debian repos |
| 06:12.04 | blocky | im upgrading to jessie right now at 3.2MB/s |
| 06:12.16 | tomman | update to Jessie, enable non-free repo, apt-get install steam, enjoy. |
| 06:12.20 | blocky | losing my 6 days of uptime tho |
| 06:12.26 | tomman | Been there since a few months, so far so good. |
| 06:12.29 | blocky | or i will when i reboot to the new kernel |
| 06:12.38 | blocky | i just want to play counter strike |
| 06:12.42 | tomman | And I fetch my nVidia drivers from Experimental. |
| 06:13.03 | blocky | I have an older radeon |
| 06:13.19 | tomman | I have one of those Optimus laptops (hybrid graphics) |
| 06:13.31 | blocky | nice |
| 06:13.34 | tomman | Mesa+Intel is good enough for most games |
| 06:13.43 | tomman | but some of course will require the nVidia GPU. |
| 06:13.57 | blocky | my laptop is intel only, it can run counter strike but i never have a mouse with me anyway |
| 06:14.11 | tomman | Mesa on Wheezy it's too stale for any kind of gaming anyway (8.0.5, and no signs of anything newer on wheezy-backports) |
| 06:14.48 | tomman | Actually thanks to Portal and CS, a hella' bunch of bugs on Mesa got fixed. |
| 06:15.05 | tomman | hence why you want the newest Mesa which you'll find on testing/unstable. |
| 06:15.41 | blocky | i saw a post on reddit about how to enable testing and unstable but default to testing, and then apt just requires a flag to grab the unstable |
| 06:15.43 | tomman | The other problem with hybrid graphics is that thanks to nVidia we have to use bumblebee/primus, which leads to subpar performance. |
| 06:16.18 | tomman | In fact, after moving to Mesa 9.2.x, I get BETTER performance from my Intel IGP than from the nVidia GPU :( |
| 06:16.28 | blocky | that ain't right |
| 06:16.44 | tomman | hope that Prime and all those Xrandr improvements lead to better times in the future |
| 06:16.54 | tomman | but anything right now is very hackyishy. |
| 06:17.05 | tomman | Mixing testing and unstable? Been there, done that. |
| 06:17.25 | tomman | Not really nice because eventually packages from unstable will leak into testing, causing a potential mess. |
| 06:17.52 | tomman | So either stick to Testing and wait, or be a brave man, bite the bullet, and hop onto the Sid Express :) |
| 06:18.31 | tomman | I might do the latter someday (maybe after the freeze?) |
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| 06:22.47 | blocky | i think once this upgrade is complete ill change "testing" to "jessie" in my sources.list :) |
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| 06:30.43 | bitwize | Will I be kickbanned for init system flamage? |
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| 06:31.53 | C00re | Do you want to be? |
| 06:32.16 | C00re | if not, dont start one. |
| 06:33.14 | bitwize | ok. |
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| 06:35.26 | blocky | is this a problem? it's been stuck here for about 5 mins http://pastebin.com/zm80Jgkj |
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| 06:41.37 | qman__ | blocky, it is if you have a realtek r8169 device you intend to use |
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| 06:42.01 | shafox | i can't do this: sudo apt-get update && apt-get install somepackagename, it gives me E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 06:42.01 | shafox | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? but i can do sudo apt-get update . I have checked my groups i am in the sudo group . |
| 06:42.24 | qman__ | shafox, you're missing a second sudo |
| 06:42.39 | qman__ | shafox, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install somepackagename |
| 06:42.46 | blocky | qman__: let's assume i do, what do i need to do? |
| 06:43.01 | shafox | ops my mistake. thanks qman__ |
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| 06:43.14 | qman__ | blocky, apt-get install firmware-realtek |
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| 06:43.35 | qman__ | blocky, it's in non-free, so you need that enabled to do it |
| 06:44.03 | blocky | qman__: i thought i had that in my sources.list |
| 06:44.18 | blocky | grub is stuck right now, how do i delete a hard drive from the kernel? |
| 06:44.34 | qman__ | what? |
| 06:45.21 | blocky | i have a hard drive with some errors on it, it always seems to trip up grub, but im just using it for data storage, so grub doesn't need to know about it |
| 06:45.37 | blocky | so last time someone told me a command to just delete the reference to it, i think somewhere in /dev |
| 06:45.43 | blocky | and then it worked right away |
| 06:45.44 | pirret | sounds like a reliable storage ;) |
| 06:45.53 | blocky | lol |
| 06:46.03 | blocky | [568076.016364] Buffer I/O error on device sdc1, logical block 5 |
| 06:46.13 | qman__ | hardware failure |
| 06:46.27 | qman__ | unplug it |
| 06:46.39 | blocky | it's internal |
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| 06:47.34 | qman__ | and? |
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| 06:47.52 | qman__ | it's really just a matter of time before it quits completely |
| 06:47.54 | shafox | usage of ubuntu packages is bad in wheezy ? |
| 06:48.04 | qman__ | shafox, very |
| 06:48.15 | shafox | gotcha |
| 06:48.30 | rjsalts | shafox: you might be able to rebuild the package with minimal pain |
| 06:48.58 | shafox | rjsalts, well yeah. |
| 06:49.03 | rjsalts | shafox: but there are sometimes different package names between debian/ubunutu |
| 06:49.12 | shafox | but i will stick to the wheezy-backports for the package nodejs |
| 06:50.19 | blocky | qman__: i think i did echo 1 > delete in some /sys folder |
| 06:50.25 | qman__ | while you might be able to get away with it with something custom or unusual with few depends and nothing that depends on it, it's still unsupported and a bad idea |
| 06:51.12 | qman__ | you should always use packages that are built against your distro |
| 06:51.25 | qman__ | that applies for all distributions |
| 06:51.47 | shafox | ok. |
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| 06:52.11 | shafox | wheezy-backports is a good idea right. cause there is no nodejs in wheezy-stable |
| 06:52.15 | qman__ | yes |
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| 06:52.56 | qman__ | if it's not there, as mentioned, you could potentially rebuild the ubuntu package against debian, or just build it from scratch |
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| 07:00.45 | blocky | if i send grub a ^C while it's detecting devices, will it skip taht device or just exit completely |
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| 07:06.48 | BillyZane | hi |
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| 07:08.47 | blocky | qman__: figured it out, echo 1 > /sys/block/sdc/device/delete |
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| 07:09.32 | BillyZane | i'm an ubuntu user and i'm interested in transitioning to debian. how does debian deal with stable and rolling releases? |
| 07:09.45 | BillyZane | i'm looking at debian 7, 7.2, is this the latest stable release? |
| 07:09.53 | rjsalts | BillyZane: yes |
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| 07:10.24 | BillyZane | do the stable updates occur often? |
| 07:10.41 | blocky | BillyZane: from what i understand, even if you want to use testing, you should install from a stable image and then update post-install |
| 07:10.57 | BillyZane | hmm, i see |
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| 07:11.32 | rjsalts | BillyZane: security fixes are released as often as necessary, there are some updates, but version numbers don't change, it's usually only a rollup of security fixes or a bug fix in the packaging |
| 07:11.32 | BillyZane | suppose i install the stable version, if i update, would i transition to the latest testing version due to that fact? |
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| 07:12.57 | rjsalts | BillyZane: in order to change to testing you would need to edit the configuration for your apt.sources and then update && dist-upgrade to get to testing |
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| 07:13.26 | BillyZane | ohhhh i see |
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| 07:13.48 | BillyZane | thanks rjsalts and blocky |
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| 07:14.54 | blocky | np |
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| 07:34.16 | blocky | hmm so there's no fglrx in jessie |
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| 07:41.23 | blocky | is it possible to downgrade a package to stable? |
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| 07:42.51 | kingsley | blocky: If I recall correctly, yes, it is, however there are several caveats. |
| 07:43.16 | blocky | somehow x thinks my max resolution is 1024x768 |
| 07:43.19 | kingsley | For example, if another or other packages depend on the newer version, they'll break. |
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| 07:45.04 | blocky | i figured upgrading to testing would break something but i didn't think it would happen right away |
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| 07:45.47 | kingsley | If i recall correctly, there's also the challenge of editing /etc/apt/sources.list to include stable packages, re-running apt-get update, and forcing apt-get to install the stable version. |
| 07:46.15 | kingsley | Have you checked X's log file for diagnostic info> |
| 07:46.18 | kingsley | Have you checked X's log file for diagnostic info? |
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| 07:47.49 | blocky | http://pastebin.com/2XbMCuN8 |
| 07:48.04 | blocky | I guess I have to write my own xorg.conf and specify monitor properties? |
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| 07:53.48 | kingsley | blocky: I looked at your log file. |
| 07:54.28 | kingsley | Unfortunately, nothing jumped out at me as an obvious problem. |
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| 07:55.18 | blocky | kingsley: do you know how monitor autodetection is supposed to work? i generated a modeline with xrandr and added it, and now i can select 1280x1024, but it's off the screen by about an inch |
| 07:55.59 | kingsley | I do not. |
| 07:56.22 | kingsley | However, I seem to vaguely recall running something like |
| 07:56.38 | kingsley | $ xserver-reconfig |
| 07:57.21 | kingsley | as root, and using it to guide me to picking the right resolution. |
| 07:58.05 | kingsley | Maybe it was ... |
| 07:58.12 | kingsley | $ dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
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| 07:59.28 | kingsley | In any event, which ever package "xserver" is supposed to really be, it walks the user through picking a key board lay out, mouse buttons, and, if I recall correctly, monitor resolution. |
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| 07:59.51 | kingsley | New topic: |
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| 08:00.04 | ptman | hi! how can I determine the exact version of the running kernel vs. the installed kernel |
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| 08:00.22 | kingsley | How do you install the package named "ffmpeg" on unstable/sid? |
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| 08:01.24 | kingsley | When I try, I get "E: Package 'ffmpeg' has no installation candidate", which seems odd to me, because http://packages.debian.org/sid/ffmpeg sayhs it exists. |
| 08:01.55 | kingsley | ptman: As far as I know, "$ uname -a". |
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| 08:02.21 | donnib | can somebody help me with fixing some currupted files, i get this when i do apt-get upgrade :http://pastebin.com/9bqbTH5k |
| 08:02.46 | donnib | anyone willing to give me some help in hope that i can repair the system and get it up and running ? |
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| 08:03.10 | ptman | kingsley, ah, true |
| 08:03.12 | themill | kingsley: actually, it says that the package does not exist. You want libav-tools |
| 08:03.23 | ptman | kingsley, I was reading lots of references about uname -r, which doesn't |
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| 08:04.18 | kingsley | themill: Which "it" says the package does not exist? |
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| 08:04.34 | themill | ptman: uname -r is the kernel ABI (/msg dpkg kernel abi). |
| 08:04.43 | themill | kingsley: which download link will you use? |
| 08:07.21 | themill | kingsley: (please keep it in the channel) -- at the bottom of the page are direct links to download the package for your architecture. Compare it to http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc6 for example. |
| 08:08.21 | dgriffi | does anyone here use mikmod? I'm having trouble getting it to talk to the audio interface |
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| 08:08.57 | donnib | any ideas ? |
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| 08:10.06 | kingsley | themill: Ahh... thank you. I now see that my architecture is not the one available for ffmpeg. |
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| 08:11.07 | themill | kingsley: in fact, no archs in debian are. |
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| 08:13.21 | jelly-home | but there's libav-tools, which supposedly Replaces: ffmpeg? |
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| 08:13.35 | themill | yes |
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| 08:14.01 | themill | !libav |
| 08:14.01 | dpkg | Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in Debian as of the 7.x "Wheezy" release. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:17.22 | dgriffi | nobody knows anything about mikmod here? |
| 08:17.39 | themill | ,popcon mikmod |
| 08:17.40 | judd | Popcon data for mikmod: inst: 1203, vote: 82, old: 1045, recent: 76, nofiles: 0 |
| 08:17.44 | themill | you'd be lucky |
| 08:17.50 | lkthomas | mkmod ? |
| 08:17.58 | jelly-home | only knows its outdated |
| 08:18.05 | dgriffi | lkthomas: no.. it's a program for play mod music files |
| 08:18.17 | jelly-home | dgriffi: ask your real question. |
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| 08:18.30 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 08:19.19 | dgriffi | jelly-home: on a freshly-installed wheezy machine, mikmod can't find an audio device, even if you explicitly tell it one |
| 08:19.28 | blocky | how do i downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 08:19.34 | themill | blocky: you reinstall |
| 08:19.40 | blocky | sighs |
| 08:19.49 | themill | dgriffi: didn't we find that one already reported in the bts the other day and decide that there was no known solution? |
| 08:19.50 | dgriffi | blocky: I tried that and wound up reinstalling |
| 08:20.49 | jelly-home | dgriffi: that thing doesn't support alsa or pulseaudio natively. You'll have to either wrap it, or have pulseaudio started so mikomod can find its ESD support |
| 08:20.51 | blocky | can i install this package on testing http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver.html |
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| 08:21.21 | dgriffi | themill: I don't know about that... |
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| 08:21.39 | blocky | i can't work on this any more tonight |
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| 08:21.54 | dgriffi | oh dear... I just found a bug report from the current maintainer of the mikmod amd libmikmod packages saying that he wants to hand it off. |
| 08:22.47 | jelly-home | dgriffi: padsp mikmod "mod.mod.agony intro" works here with Config -> Output options -> Driver set to either Autodetect or Open Sound System |
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| 08:23.07 | dgriffi | jelly-home: yep.. that's what I do, but it doesn't help |
| 08:23.19 | jelly-home | doesn't help what? |
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| 08:24.20 | dgriffi | jelly-home: with getting it to play to anything but the "No Sound" driver |
| 08:24.22 | jelly-home | mikmod's been outdated for years, any player relying on libmodplug will have better sound |
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| 08:24.53 | dgriffi | jelly-home: ah! so, there's another library I can use to play mods? |
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| 08:25.05 | jelly-home | they even play in vlc here |
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| 08:25.33 | banjo | hi. how can i uninstall gnome? installed it with 'aptitude install gnome' but 'aptitude purge gnome' deletes only one package and 'purge gdm3' just 2 other. apt-get autoremove does nothing after that. 'apt-get autoremove --purge gnome*' is too much, cause its deletes packages that i installed manual too. |
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| 08:25.49 | dgriffi | jelly-home: well, what I'm up to is trying to get audio output working for Frotz. Playing mods is part of the spec for blorb-wrapped games |
| 08:26.10 | dgriffi | banjo: exactly what are you trying to do? |
| 08:27.01 | banjo | dgriffi: i want remove the gnome3 desktop environment |
| 08:27.05 | dgriffi | do any of you have any familiarity with Infocom games? |
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| 08:27.32 | dgriffi | banjo: just ignore it and install MATE (or whatever). Then tell gdm3 to load that instead when you login |
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| 08:28.15 | banjo | dgriffi: thats not the solution, cause i dont want to have needless stuff on my hdd |
| 08:28.30 | jelly-home | dgriffi: look at libmodplug, then |
| 08:28.53 | dgriffi | jelly-home: I'm playing with modplug123 right now. this looks like the solution. thanks! |
| 08:29.26 | jelly-home | !xyproblem |
| 08:29.27 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 08:30.04 | dgriffi | banjo: how about "apt-get purge gnome*"? |
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| 08:31.02 | dgriffi | banjo: the way I deal with this dislike of Gnome3 is that I install Wheezy without selecting the "Desktop" option thingy. No X at all. Then I install what I want.. like MATE. |
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| 08:31.55 | dgriffi | banjo: read this. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_7.0_%28Wheezy%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T42 |
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| 08:32.23 | dgriffi | it's sort of specific to the Thinkpad T42, but it does detail installing a machine without gnome |
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| 08:33.50 | arun_ | Hello guys, excuse me !!!! I had some questions about the adding of new language having ISO Code = "the" , please help me anyone there !!! |
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| 08:35.20 | banjo | dgriffi: checked: 'apt-get purge gnome*' and its the same like 'apt-get autoremove --purge gnome*' it deletes every package with the name gnome in it. so thing that i need would be removed too. i normaly use openbox but just wanted to test gnome. so a completly new installation isnt a solution too |
| 08:35.32 | kurtcoke | hi I'm can't find the i386/i486/i586 on the processor family list when I run make menuconfig. I'm trying to compile debian for an i386 board |
| 08:36.03 | kurtcoke | Did the developers remove support for i386? In other words only now support i686? |
| 08:36.24 | dgriffi | kurtcoke: i486 is the earliest supported now AFAIK |
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| 08:37.02 | kurtcoke | dgriffi: Do you know where I can find and select that in menuconfig? |
| 08:37.05 | kurtcoke | thanks btw |
| 08:37.30 | banjo | kurtcoke: yes. up to squeeze i386 was supported |
| 08:37.36 | dgriffi | kurtcoke: not offhand |
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| 08:41.31 | nullbyte_ | can I use kvirc with xfce? |
| 08:41.35 | kurtcoke | dgriffi: Thanks. Let me try again. But don't think I saw a section in wheezy's menuconfigto select i486 |
| 08:42.05 | kurtcoke | nullbyte_: Use irssi |
| 08:42.18 | nullbyte_ | i don't like it |
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| 08:43.27 | banjo | nullbyte_: u can use it. but it would install much stuff from kde. what with xchat if u dont like cli |
| 08:43.45 | arun_ | Hello guys, excuse me !!!! I had some questions about the adding of new language having ISO Code = "the" , please help me anyone there !!! |
| 08:44.06 | dgriffi | arun_: what language is that? |
| 08:44.32 | nullbyte_ | banjo: yes it requires too much stuff, but when i try to install something for kde that requires kvirc, i got unmet dependecies and for that i am asking "it's possible" i don't like also xchat |
| 08:44.42 | arun_ | dgriffi, ISO code :- "the" name = " Chitwaniya Tharu |
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| 08:47.44 | banjo | nullbyte_: shouldnt the unmet dependencies be fixed by apt-get or aptitude? look here, maybe there is something for u: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_Applications#IRC_clients |
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| 08:57.15 | YeeBoo | hi all |
| 08:57.21 | dgriffi | whee.. I think I'll take over a couple packages |
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| 09:03.23 | Silex | hello, I want to make an installation CD for a .deb I built... is there something relatively simple & easy to maintain? Or should I dive into live-helper and debian-installer etc? |
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| 09:04.05 | Silex | the goal is to have a "no questions + custom image" while installing CD |
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| 09:04.53 | Silex | all the softwares I find for this (UCK, remastersys, etc) seems to be dead projects |
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| 09:14.15 | Richard | Hi can someone help me please? |
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| 09:14.40 | R1chard | Ugh already taken |
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| 09:14.57 | Richard94 | I need help choosing which Debian to choose for virtualbox on my sony vaio |
| 09:15.05 | Richard94 | I would be greatful if someone could please help me |
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| 09:15.17 | damo22 | Richard94: what are you trying to acheive |
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| 09:15.47 | Richard94 | Just to mess with, I will be installing webmin and a few other things |
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| 09:16.00 | damo22 | Richard94: do you need X |
| 09:16.06 | Richard94 | But I'm not sure which architecht to install |
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| 09:16.34 | damo22 | Richard94: or is it for a console only install? |
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| 09:17.18 | Richard94 | Well for now I want GUI since im using virtualbox, but I will be switching to CLI once my raspberry pi's come in the mail*wont be using debian then) |
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| 09:17.36 | nullbyte_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:17.47 | nullbyte_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.57 | nullbyte_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 09:18.00 | nullbyte_ | how to install kvirc? |
| 09:18.07 | nullbyte_ | i am under xfce |
| 09:18.15 | Iridos | isn't there a way to go up and down in scrollback in screen? or is there no scrollback by default |
| 09:18.18 | damo22 | Richard94: just because you are using virtualbox doesnt mean the virtual machine has to be gui enabled |
| 09:18.33 | Richard94 | I know |
| 09:18.45 | Richard94 | But I figured since im using virtualbox, I won't be able to access my webserver on it from windows |
| 09:18.59 | damo22 | Richard94: yes you can |
| 09:19.15 | Richard94 | Didn't think I could do that without 2 network adapters |
| 09:19.20 | ChrisH | Richard94: Virtualbox can offer port forwardings, if needed. |
| 09:19.24 | Richard94 | I only have a wireless one |
| 09:19.40 | banjo | nullbyte_: maybe libkvilib4 is in conflict with an other package. but cant help u more |
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| 09:19.52 | Richard94 | Well, I want just the CLI then, but im not sure what one to get or which architech |
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| 09:20.10 | Richard94 | I haven't messed with linux in a few years |
| 09:20.15 | damo22 | Richard94: is your main machine 64bit? |
| 09:20.21 | Richard94 | Yes it is |
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| 09:20.28 | damo22 | s/main machine/host os |
| 09:20.41 | Iridos | Richard94, the debian going into the virtualbox or something else going into a virtualbox running inside debian? |
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| 09:21.27 | Richard94 | Main host is windows 8 |
| 09:21.47 | Richard94 | intel i7, 64bit, x64 based-processor |
| 09:22.11 | Richard94 | I already have Virtualbox installed |
| 09:22.15 | damo22 | Richard94: in that case you probably want amd64 release of debian with an iso, and use expert install to disable the gui |
| 09:22.42 | Richard94 | so 64-bit(amd64) ? |
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| 09:23.32 | Iridos | dpkg, vbox guests |
| 09:23.34 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Iridos |
| 09:23.37 | Iridos | grmp |
| 09:23.49 | Iridos | dpkg, vbox guest |
| 09:23.50 | dpkg | For Debian virtual machines ("guests") running under VirtualBox, install the virtualbox-guest-utils package inside the guest to provide Guest Additions; dependent Linux kernel modules are automatically built using <DKMS>. For Microsoft Windows guests, install the virtualbox-guest-additions-iso package on the host (ask me about <non-free sources>) and see http://virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html for installation instructions. |
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| 09:24.42 | Richard94 | Where is the download link for that one |
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| 09:25.36 | damo22 | Richard94: debian does not use download links to grab packages you use a package manager from inside the operating system |
| 09:26.01 | Richard94 | I need the iso download so I can download it and run it with virtualbox |
| 09:26.10 | Iridos | Richard94, you probably want the amd64 netinstall image for installing http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 09:26.20 | damo22 | right |
| 09:26.40 | Iridos | Richard94, the i386 is the 32bit version which will work as well |
| 09:26.58 | bitwize | Richard94: apt-get install virtualbox-guest-utils |
| 09:27.09 | Richard94 | Okay I will do that once the ISO is done installing |
| 09:27.18 | bitwize | the ISO is for Windows guests and Linux hosts |
| 09:27.26 | Richard94 | How will I get my wireless network connection to work on it? |
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| 09:27.36 | Richard94 | or is that done automaticly |
| 09:27.47 | bitwize | on Debian in a VM? |
| 09:27.58 | Richard94 | Yes |
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| 09:28.09 | bitwize | you bridge or NAT it to the wireless connection in your host OS |
| 09:28.24 | Richard94 | Which is done through virtual box settings right |
| 09:28.30 | bitwize | Yes |
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| 09:29.32 | Richard94 | Nat is already selected in the settings |
| 09:29.38 | Richard94 | so should it work automaticly |
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| 09:29.49 | DarsVaeda | which user:password combination do I use in cups admin panel? |
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| 09:29.58 | DarsVaeda | localhost:632 I mean |
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| 09:32.03 | Richard94 | Okay I loaded the virtual machine for debian |
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| 09:32.14 | Richard94 | and when I choose "install" it just freezes there |
| 09:32.16 | damo22 | isnt it 631 |
| 09:32.34 | damo22 | DarsVaeda: for cups |
| 09:33.05 | Richard94 | Any idea why it is doing that? |
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| 09:33.23 | DarsVaeda | damo22, ah yeah typo |
| 09:33.32 | DarsVaeda | also I found out it is root:rootpassword |
| 09:34.47 | Richard94 | okay I choose the expert-install |
| 09:34.53 | donnib | guys what does this mean : /usr/bin/php: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libqdbm.so.14: invalid ELF header |
| 09:34.58 | donnib | and how can i fix this ? |
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| 09:35.08 | donnib | i tried reinstalling the package but didn't help |
| 09:35.10 | Richard94 | and it says this kernal requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU |
| 09:35.39 | Richard94 | Do i need to download a different one? |
| 09:35.51 | DarsVaeda | UGA UGA UGA I CAN PRINT |
| 09:35.58 | DarsVaeda | I feel so blessed |
| 09:36.08 | DarsVaeda | like discovering fire |
| 09:36.14 | DarsVaeda | anyway thanks :) |
| 09:37.10 | Richard94 | Any suggestion? |
| 09:37.49 | damo22 | Richard94: are you running 32 bit virtualbox? |
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| 09:39.09 | dupin | just installed debian and can not login with my uername |
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| 09:39.33 | dupin | I can login as root but not as regular user :( |
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| 09:40.22 | damo22 | Richard94: looks like only 1 download for windows virtualbox |
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| 09:40.51 | dupin | and ican not switch users as root :@ |
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| 09:41.31 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone know where I can change the value of FcgidMaxRequestL of apache? I have some problems with fastcgi module |
| 09:41.34 | Richard94_ | sorry I disconnected |
| 09:41.40 | dupin | any takers? |
| 09:41.40 | damo22 | dupin: did you misspell your username? ls /home |
| 09:41.49 | dupin | no |
| 09:42.00 | Richard94_ | My virtualbox is installed in c:/program files, not in c:/program files(x86) |
| 09:42.37 | Richard94_ | x86/amd64 is the one I downloaded |
| 09:42.39 | dupin | damo22: I left old home because I have valuable data there so i know my usename |
| 09:42.57 | Iridos | Richard94_, yes, I wonder if you got a 32bit virtualbox... but that's really not a debian problem... |
| 09:43.01 | damo22 | Richard94_: the i386 installer should work but this isnt a windows support channel i guess |
| 09:43.03 | Silex | ok my research brought me to "live-build": can I customize pretty much anything with it? the installer theme, the boot picture, the preseeds? |
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| 09:43.58 | damo22 | dupin: did you remember to mount /home in the installer |
| 09:44.02 | Richard94_ | I don't see a download for the i386 |
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| 09:44.34 | dupin | yes but choose not to format :) |
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| 09:44.54 | dupin | I have to go tnx |
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| 09:44.58 | damo22 | dupin: i did the same thing a few weeks ago |
| 09:45.04 | Richard94_ | Okay I found a debian is86 netinst |
| 09:45.07 | Richard94_ | i386* |
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| 09:46.05 | Richard94_ | I hope this one works |
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| 09:50.49 | fosser_josh | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 09:50.49 | dpkg | fosser_josh: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:50.59 | Richard94_ | hm |
| 09:51.01 | abailarri | I find the fcgid.conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ but there is not |
| 09:51.05 | fosser_josh | http://pastebin.com/AbX2Rqnm |
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| 09:51.10 | abailarri | any suggestion please? |
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| 09:53.48 | fosser_josh | error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1. http://pastebin.com/AbX2Rqnm |
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| 09:56.29 | NoReflex | hello! is there a way to copy a chopped line from less output? I have a file with long lines (thousands of chars) and I usually view it using less and -S option (chop lines) |
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| 09:57.26 | Richard94_ | Great news:) |
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| 09:57.30 | Richard94_ | The Is386 worked |
| 09:57.31 | NoReflex | often I need to copy the entire line but to do this I have to disable chopping, find the start / end for that line and copy it (using mouse select) |
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| 09:58.00 | NoReflex | is there a way to copy the whole line directly when viewing it with chopped lines ON? |
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| 10:00.05 | ChrisH | fosser_josh: check this line ln: creating symbolic link `/tmp/mkinitramfs_8GvFNj/./not': File exists |
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| 10:01.49 | fosser_josh | ChrisH: ok. What should i do? |
| 10:01.52 | arun | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.10 | arun | My internet was disconnected !! |
| 10:02.55 | grep0r | arun, can you give a few details just want to add a new language? |
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| 10:05.01 | Richard94_ | Sweet, internet connection works:) |
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| 10:05.34 | arun | grep0r, the Language name is Chitwaniya Tharu , having ISO Code :- 639-3 the |
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| 10:05.40 | touki | Hi |
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| 10:06.17 | themill | arun: wasn't babilen helping you with this the other day? |
| 10:06.35 | Richard94_ | Question |
| 10:06.39 | Richard94_ | What kernal should I install? |
| 10:06.46 | Richard94_ | it gave me 2 options |
| 10:06.47 | touki | problem with running jessie, syslog and kern.log are 25 giga each ^^ |
| 10:06.53 | arun | themill, yes, but I got confused and he was not probably sure with that |
| 10:06.57 | touki | Any idea how to deal with that ? |
| 10:06.59 | Richard94_ | linux-image-3.22.0-4-486 AND linux-image-486 |
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| 10:09.36 | Richard94_ | What should I do in the configure the package manager? |
| 10:09.45 | Richard94_ | since I installed the netinst |
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| 10:13.16 | grep0r | Richard94_, is your computer old(single processor, not multicores)? |
| 10:13.34 | firztspawn | Richard94_, I am going to assume you are installing stable? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 10:13.39 | touki | problem with running jessie, syslog and kern.log are 25 giga each ^^ Any idea how to deal with that ? |
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| 10:14.14 | firztspawn | ni sorry touki .. anything in google? |
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| 10:14.51 | pbodymind | how can I generate a .deb package with cmakelists.txt ? 8) any1 has a good tutorial or something like this? |
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| 10:19.18 | Richard94_ | Thank you to those who helped me |
| 10:19.46 | Richard94_ | My computer is pretty new |
| 10:19.57 | Richard94_ | Sony vaio, windows 8, 64bit, 8gb mem |
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| 10:21.02 | grep0r | arun, http://packages.debian.org/sid/iso-codes have that one? looks that supports your language from what i see |
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| 10:22.58 | Richard94_ | downloading webmin |
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| 10:23.14 | Richard94_ | Taking forever from sourceforge using wget |
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| 10:23.50 | Iridos | dpkg, webmin |
| 10:23.51 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 10:24.04 | Iridos | dpkg, free whcp |
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| 10:24.04 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 10:24.11 | Iridos | Richard94_, ^^^ |
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| 10:24.41 | Richard94_ | What would be the best one to use? |
| 10:24.44 | Richard94_ | With a lot of features |
| 10:24.45 | pbodymind | webmin is not FOSS? fuuuuu, I am using it.. I shall use a new one |
| 10:25.06 | ChrisH | fosser_josh: to me it looks like there are files in /tmp preventing you from running the reconfigure. |
| 10:25.07 | pbodymind | even tought I stop it whenever I am not using it.. and its deactivated in my rc scripts |
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| 10:27.54 | arun | grep0r, sorry, but I can't c in the url u gave me |
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| 10:33.08 | Richard94_ | how come most of the packages I try to install it says they don't exist |
| 10:33.15 | Richard94_ | Is there some kind of file I need to edit |
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| 10:36.10 | Richard94_ | I can't install webmin cause its missing packages in my debian |
| 10:36.15 | Richard94_ | But when I apt-get install them |
| 10:36.19 | Richard94_ | half of them don't exist |
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| 10:36.49 | umarzuki | Richard94_ |
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| 10:37.14 | Richard94_ | Yes |
| 10:37.18 | umarzuki | enabled nonfree maybe |
| 10:37.53 | Richard94_ | Huh? |
| 10:38.32 | Richard94_ | these are the packages I need perl libnet-ssleay-perl openssl libauthen-pam-perl libpam-runtime libio-pty-perl apt-show-versions python |
| 10:38.54 | Richard94_ | I installed perl-base instead of perl |
| 10:39.02 | Richard94_ | but I can't get any others |
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| 10:39.21 | arun | Hello guys !!! |
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| 10:40.23 | umarzuki | i do believe you had apt-get update? |
| 10:40.59 | babilen | arun: Have you read https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Locales and http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Locales.html already? |
| 10:41.51 | Richard94_ | I just did the apt-get update |
| 10:41.51 | babilen | arun: I believe that these were the links themill was referring to earlier and I do not have more information at the moment. |
| 10:42.06 | Richard94_ | But I also still can't get the following packages |
| 10:42.28 | Richard94_ | lbnet-ssleay-perl, openssl, libauthen-pam-perl libio-pty-perl apt-show-versions and python |
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| 10:45.07 | jelly | ,v libnet-ssleay-perl |
| 10:45.07 | judd | Package: libnet-ssleay-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 1.36-1; wheezy: 1.48-1+b1; jessie: 1.55-1+b2; sid: 1.55-1+b2 |
| 10:45.35 | jelly | Richard94_: looks like that exists |
| 10:45.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell Richard94_ about wheezy sources.list |
| 10:45.54 | jelly | Richard94_: verify your sources are complete |
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| 10:46.09 | Richard94_ | How can I view my sources |
| 10:46.27 | jelly | Richard94_: it's a text file, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:46.50 | jelly | Richard94_: less /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:46.51 | Richard94_ | says permissiond denied |
| 10:46.56 | Richard94_ | I'm logged in as root |
| 10:47.29 | jelly | oh, you don't have some sort of working knowledge of unix basics? |
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| 10:47.47 | Richard94_ | I know very little |
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| 10:48.01 | Richard94_ | But I'm not able to view that file |
| 10:48.13 | jelly | Richard94_: use the command: less /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:48.23 | ChrisH | Richard94_: run ls -l /etc/apt and paste the output to paste.debian.net |
| 10:48.39 | Richard94_ | ~command less doesnt exist |
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| 10:49.21 | Richard94_ | I did ls -1, |
| 10:49.33 | teddahn | " ls -l " |
| 10:49.55 | Richard94_ | I have apt.conf.d preferences.d sources.list sources.list~ sources.list.d trusted.gpg trusted.gpg trusted.gpg.d |
| 10:50.14 | Richard94_ | oh |
| 10:50.16 | Richard94_ | ls -l not 1 |
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| 10:50.44 | Richard94_ | How do you copy text from the CLI |
| 10:51.09 | jelly | Richard94_: cat /etc/apt/sources.list will do, then |
| 10:51.28 | teddahn | Richard94_, dlw debian-reference great way to start |
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| 10:53.07 | klys | with gpm. plug in mouse; apt-get install gpm; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; hilight text; echo "_" | DISPLAY=:0 xclip; make it "<paste>" with right-click |
| 10:53.37 | jelly | klys: yeah, apt-get install what, without mirrors configured? |
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| 10:53.56 | Richard94_ | I just need to get webmin installed |
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| 10:54.18 | jpowermacg5 | does anyone here make multiarch deb packages? |
| 10:54.29 | jelly | Richard94_: and webmin is a mess of its own; why do you need it? |
| 10:54.51 | klys | I don't mean you have to do it now, that's just how. |
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| 10:55.40 | Richard94_ | Cause it has all the features I want |
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| 10:55.53 | Richard94_ | and here is what ls -1 /etc/apt had |
| 10:55.53 | Richard94_ | http://i.imgur.com/1hRNYmJ.jpg |
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| 10:57.38 | Richard94_ | shouldn't root be able to access everything |
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| 10:59.59 | petern_ | The aspect ratio of that planet is bugging me :p |
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| 11:00.36 | arun_ | grep0r: |
| 11:02.44 | hplc | how can i make it possible to encrypt a textfile by right-click and choose encrypt? some gnupg solution? i cant find out how |
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| 11:03.51 | Richard94_ | in my sources.list I have these |
| 11:04.00 | klys | that depends on your windowmanager or nautilus if you're using gnome |
| 11:04.07 | Richard94_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 11:04.20 | Richard94_ | and i have.... deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/ updates main |
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| 11:04.40 | klys | so, can you apt-get update |
| 11:04.47 | hplc | its a default debian install, Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:05.15 | CissWit | hplc: i don't know of any right click solution, but "gpg -c file" does it well if you want to encrypt using a pass phrase |
| 11:05.52 | hplc | ok |
| 11:06.09 | Richard94_ | Please? |
| 11:06.22 | klys | http://www.howtogeek.com/116807/how-to-easily-add-custom-right-click-options-to-ubuntus-file-manager/ |
| 11:06.35 | klys | idk I don't have gnome myself |
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| 11:09.46 | klys | with looking for unlisted debs, start browsing here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 11:09.46 | Richard94_ | Ugh |
| 11:09.56 | klys | you might find the deb that way |
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| 11:10.08 | klys | I think debian-non-US is separate |
| 11:10.18 | Richard94_ | Can someone please help me getting these packages installed |
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| 11:11.18 | pbodymind | which package? |
| 11:11.42 | pbodymind | please resume ur questions in one line.. is just easier to read.. ;) |
| 11:12.06 | Richard94_ | Well I'm trying to get webmin |
| 11:12.14 | Richard94_ | But I need to install additional packages |
| 11:12.39 | Richard94_ | I need these packages, perl libnet-ssleay-perl openssl libauthen-pam-perl libpam-runtime libio-pty-perl apt-show-versions python |
| 11:12.50 | Richard94_ | But when I try to get them using apt-get install, most of them don't exist |
| 11:12.52 | pbodymind | then do: sudo apt-get install perl libnet-ssleay-perl openssl libauthen-pam-perl libpam-runtime libio-pty-perl apt-show-versions python |
| 11:13.17 | pbodymind | just do this to install webmin: dpkg -i webmin_package.deb |
| 11:13.22 | pbodymind | and then: sudo apt-get -f install |
| 11:13.22 | shingouz | Richard94_: also, do apt-get update before all that |
| 11:13.28 | pbodymind | truue |
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| 11:13.43 | Richard94_ | I dont have a sudo command |
| 11:13.50 | Richard94_ | I did apt-get update earlier |
| 11:13.58 | shingouz | Richard94_: go root in that case |
| 11:14.20 | shingouz | thinks webmin is Evil (tm) |
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| 11:14.36 | Richard94_ | I am in root |
| 11:14.51 | klys | the sources for contrib, non-free, debian-security, and debian-non-US are listed I think in some instructions at http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 11:15.53 | Richard94_ | when I did dpkg -i webmin_package.deb |
| 11:15.57 | Richard94_ | it said it cannot access archive |
| 11:16.16 | babilen | klys: The documentation you refer to must be severely outdated if it still refers to non-us as we haven't used that in ages. |
| 11:16.42 | babilen | arun_: Please keep it in the channel and I mentioned the links a couple of minutes ago. |
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| 11:16.57 | klys | babilen is 1024-bit RSA legal in the u.s.a. to export |
| 11:16.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94_ about webmin |
| 11:17.04 | arun_ | babilen: bro the system got down in it |
| 11:17.14 | babilen | arun_: What does that mean? |
| 11:17.36 | pbodymind | Richard94_: i have no comments. |
| 11:17.42 | arun_ | babilen: I lost the link, I was in another computer |
| 11:18.18 | babilen | arun_: Then please don't switch computers all the time. :) |
| 11:18.20 | shingouz | pbodymind: check what dpkg has to say about webmin... not very flattering |
| 11:18.31 | arun_ | babilen: sorry for that |
| 11:18.41 | Richard94_ | what should I use instead of webmin? |
| 11:18.44 | babilen | <11:40:57> babilen > arun: Have you read https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Locales and http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Locales.html already? |
| 11:18.48 | babilen | arun_: ^^ |
| 11:18.51 | klys | are you sure webmin_package.deb is a .deb and not a .html |
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| 11:19.04 | shingouz | Richard94_: depends on what you want to do |
| 11:19.23 | Richard94_ | I want the most features I can get, or something similar to webmin |
| 11:19.45 | Richard94_ | But I'm also having a hard time installing other packages, so I doubt I can get anything to work... |
| 11:19.52 | babilen | Richard94_: I believe the factoid mentions a number of alternatives in the <free whcp> factoid, doesn't it? I personally recommend to learn, say, ansible, salt or puppet and to use SSH + Icinga + ... for the rest. |
| 11:19.57 | LordDeath | is there a package in debian to share an old usb printer/scanner over the network? |
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| 11:20.30 | babilen | LordDeath: CUPS is the printer server you want, install it and take a look at https://localhost:631 |
| 11:20.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell LordDeath -about cups |
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| 11:21.03 | LordDeath | babilen: will cups also handle scanning? |
| 11:21.21 | shingouz | !tell LordDeath about sane |
| 11:22.09 | Richard94_ | I have putty as an ssh program, but I dont know how to connect to debian with it since its on virtual box |
| 11:22.09 | babilen | LordDeath: I don't think so, saned comes to mind with that, but our local machines scan themselves and then mail the documents to the respective user. How would scanning via network work exactly? I mean you have to have physical access to the scanner somehow. |
| 11:22.16 | shingouz | LordDeath: sane takes care of that. i am not sure if you can get all possible features of the scanner over the network, though |
| 11:23.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell LordDeath -about sane |
| 11:23.19 | LordDeath | well, now I have an excuse to order one of these rasperry pis :D |
| 11:23.40 | Richard94_ | What ports would I portforward in virtualbox to allow me to ssh? |
| 11:23.42 | babilen | LordDeath: I don't really have extensive experience configuring scanners, but read the wiki page on SaneOverNetwork |
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| 11:25.22 | babilen | Richard94_: I guess that you have to configure bridged networking to the guest which would allow you to access the guest by its IP. I am sure that this is discussed in the virtualbox manuals, but you might want to ask in #vbox for details. |
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| 11:26.20 | Richard94_ | I cant even install the package for ssh |
| 11:26.43 | Richard94_ | for openssh-server |
| 11:26.51 | babilen | Richard94_: I personally don't use virtualbox (prefer kvm/virsh/virt-manager) so I can't really help you with the particulars of that, but I wouldn't expect it to be too hard. Why can't you install packages? What happens if you try? |
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| 11:27.25 | Richard94_ | it says the following: unable to locate package openssh-server |
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| 11:28.24 | babilen | Richard94_: Okay, please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy openssh-server" to http://paste.debian.net -- I assume that you've read https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html already, haven't you? |
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| 11:28.40 | Richard94_ | I can't copy paste |
| 11:28.47 | babilen | Why not? |
| 11:28.54 | Richard94_ | can't use mouse in CLI |
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| 11:29.05 | babilen | Do you have network access? |
| 11:29.11 | Richard94_ | Yes |
| 11:29.21 | Richard94_ | I was able to install a few packages |
| 11:29.22 | Richard94_ | but not many |
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| 11:29.46 | Richard94_ | my sources contain: deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main |
| 11:29.49 | Richard94_ | and as well as deb-src |
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| 11:31.32 | babilen | Richard94_: Well, that's not nearly enough. Please read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and make sure that your sources.list looks like http://paste.debian.net/65589/ -- Then run "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy openssh-server | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" and give me the resulting URL |
| 11:31.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94_ about grounding |
| 11:31.50 | pbodymind | where can I report a debian testing bug in the .deb package? |
| 11:31.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94_ -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 11:32.01 | babilen | pbodymind: "the .deb package" ? |
| 11:32.27 | Richard94_ | whats the command to edit the sources.list |
| 11:32.28 | pbodymind | ups sorry |
| 11:32.28 | pbodymind | i will rephrase |
| 11:33.00 | pbodymind | where can I report a debian bug in a package of the debian testing repositories? (amarok, I was just checking with #amarok people) |
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| 11:33.20 | babilen | Richard94_: There is no command, use whatever editor you are comfortable with. If you are not comfortable with any editor you might want to use "nano -W /etc/apt/sources.list" to edit it. Don't forget to write it (^W) before you exit. |
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| 11:33.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell pbodymind -about reportbug |
| 11:33.38 | babilen | judd: v amarok |
| 11:33.39 | judd | Package: amarok on i386 -- squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6~beta1+75.g47e75df-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.8.0-1; sid: 2.8.0-2 |
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| 11:34.09 | hplc | is there any channel more into ordinary people discussing using crypto for beginners? |
| 11:34.10 | babilen | pbodymind: Does it happen with the package in sid too? Please also note that testing/unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 11:35.41 | babilen | hplc: Search with alis (/msg alis help) -- this is *not* a general IRC help channel and I would appreciate if you wouldn't treat it like one. There is #freenode for FreeNode related questions. |
| 11:36.17 | Richard94_ | question |
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| 11:36.25 | Richard94_ | for that paste, why do you use http://http:// |
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| 11:36.44 | nullbyte_ | how can i install kvirc with xfce if it's possible? i got unmet dependencies? |
| 11:37.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell nullbyte_ -about bat |
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| 11:37.24 | babilen | nullbyte_: Please note that you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if you are using either testing or unstable |
| 11:37.40 | nullbyte_ | babilen: no testing 7.2 |
| 11:38.10 | babilen | Richard94_: It is *not* http://http:// but http://http.debian.net -- http.debian.net is the name of the host. You might want to read the website as it explains its function. |
| 11:38.25 | babilen | nullbyte_: Okay, show me :) |
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| 11:40.53 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/5npLk32Z |
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| 11:42.39 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 11:42.40 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 11:43.46 | Richard94_ | okay so how do I save my changes to the file |
| 11:43.56 | babilen | nullbyte_: Please also include your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy kvirc" and your /etc/apt/preferences file (if it exists) -- Also don't use pastebin.com, but http://paste.debian.net or another good pastebin service other than pastebin.com such as http://paste.ubuntu.com, http://refheap.com |
| 11:44.09 | nullbyte_ | ok |
| 11:44.15 | babilen | Richard94_: ^w (CTRL-w) IIRC |
| 11:44.27 | babilen | Richard94_: It should show you at the bottom |
| 11:45.24 | Richard94_ | I did ctrl x and I hit save |
| 11:45.26 | Richard94_ | now im doing apt-get update |
| 11:45.46 | Richard94_ | Got ALOT of stuff |
| 11:46.34 | babilen | Richard94_: Make sure to upgrade your system and to read the Debian handbook I linked earlier. |
| 11:46.40 | Richard94_ | Im guessing now I should be able to get these packges I wanted for webmin? Unless you have a better one for me to install |
| 11:46.46 | Richard94_ | Cause I looked at that list, not sure what to use |
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| 11:47.42 | shingouz | Richard94_: webmin is not in debian and according to dpkg the bot, the webmin package itself is of bad quality |
| 11:47.47 | nullbyte_ | babilen: sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410309/ ; apt-cache policy http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410310/ ; apt-cache policy kvirc http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410318/ and /etc/apt/preferences doesn't exists |
| 11:47.51 | babilen | Richard94_: Webmin has been removed from Debian ages ago as it is (I am let to believe) a horrible piece of crap that nobody wants to use, support or maintain. |
| 11:48.04 | Richard94_ | Alright |
| 11:48.14 | Richard94_ | How do I upgrade my system? |
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| 11:48.33 | babilen | nullbyte_: It's okay and even preferred to put all this into a single paste as that cuts down on the number of tabs I have to have open at any given moment. |
| 11:48.54 | shingouz | Richard94_: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 11:49.08 | babilen | Richard94_: Read the Debian handbook! It is "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" you are after, but please familiarise yourself with Linux and Debian. See the links our bot send you. |
| 11:49.11 | Richard94_ | Okay, I've done update already |
| 11:49.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94_ -about grounding |
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| 11:49.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94_ -about general cli tutorial |
| 11:49.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94_ -about handbook |
| 11:49.42 | Richard94_ | nothing needed upgraded. |
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| 11:50.20 | babilen | Good |
| 11:50.20 | Richard94_ | What do you recomend me using instead of webmin? I just need something with a lot of features. |
| 11:50.29 | Richard94_ | I should be good to go since I was able to get packages installed |
| 11:51.13 | babilen | Richard94_: I elaborated on that earlier. Please read "/msg dpkg free whcp" and familiarise yourself with SSH and mosh. What do you want to do eventually? Why do you *think* you need webmin? |
| 11:51.33 | shingouz | ...because there are "features"... |
| 11:52.40 | Richard94_ | Yea, im already downloading and installing openssh-server |
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| 11:53.19 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410328/ |
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| 11:53.34 | imdea | Hi, How do I know what filesystem a lvm volume has? |
| 11:53.37 | shingouz | Richard94_: i still am a bit confused about the "features" you are talking about. what exactly do you want to do? details, man, details |
| 11:53.49 | babilen | Good, take a look at mosh if you are connection from hosts with intermittent networking or connection problems. What else do you want to *do* ? You don't really need anything but the command line and I would strongly recommend to learn your way around it, but based on your needs I could give better advice. |
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| 11:54.30 | babilen | judd: v kvirc |
| 11:54.31 | judd | Package: kvirc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.0.2-1; wheezy: 4:4.1.3+20111124.svn5988-2; jessie: 4:4.2.0-2+b1; sid: 4:4.2.0-2+b1 |
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| 11:54.49 | netsrot | How do I test wayland in debian jessie? |
| 11:54.56 | babilen | nullbyte_: As you can see ^^^ there is no kvirc in wheezy-backports. You should be able to install it just fine with "apt-get install kvirc" |
| 11:55.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell netsrot about wayland |
| 11:55.47 | babilen | netsrot: Take a look at weston and ask in #wayland on this network ... no idea about the state of that project though. |
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| 11:56.37 | babilen | netsrot: Please also note that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 11:56.47 | nullbyte_ | hm |
| 11:57.13 | nullbyte_ | babilen: but i got the same unmet dependencies |
| 11:57.17 | netsrot | babilen: ok thanks. |
| 11:57.20 | babilen | nullbyte_: Furthermore: We neither recommend nor support Debian Multimedia and I would reconsider that choice if I were you. |
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| 11:57.35 | babilen | nullbyte_: Show me please :) |
| 11:57.51 | babilen | netsrot: have fun and good luck :D |
| 11:58.11 | nullbyte_ | babilen: oks for deb multimedia |
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| 11:58.45 | Richard94_ | Got putty working :) |
| 11:58.51 | Richard94_ | well, ssh i mean |
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| 11:59.37 | babilen | nullbyte_: I would also have to see the "apt-cache policy PKG" output for all those packages it complains about. Alternatively use "aptitude -s install kvirc" and cycle through the first, say, three alternatives it offers (by answering "n" to the question if you accept that solution) |
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| 12:00.19 | babilen | Richard94_: Great, what else do you want to *do* ? |
| 12:01.21 | Richard94_ | Find a good webpanel package, that is similar to webmin, or contains more features. Doesn't matter |
| 12:01.30 | babilen | Richard94_: Why? Whatfor? |
| 12:01.35 | Richard94_ | web server, mysql, ftp, creating accounts for others, etc |
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| 12:01.49 | Richard94_ | web based ssh, install scripts |
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| 12:02.29 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410358/ |
| 12:02.37 | babilen | Richard94_: You can do that all on the command line and I would recommend to do just that. What will the host be used for? But take a look at the alternatives mentioned in <free whcp> and there are, IIRC, also a number of commercial offers that you might want to consider. |
| 12:03.15 | Richard94_ | Yes but I would rather have a webpanel for ease of access for me and a few people |
| 12:03.45 | buu | Richard94_: You're just holding yourself back! |
| 12:03.47 | buu | Embrace the power! |
| 12:04.13 | babilen | nullbyte_: What about "apt-cache policy libkvilib4" "apt-cache policy kvirc-modules" and "apt-cache policy kde-runtime" ? What about the output of "aptitude -s install kvirc" (first three solutions?) |
| 12:04.13 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410366/ |
| 12:04.42 | Richard94_ | What would be the best webpanel? I can't choose from that list :X |
| 12:05.05 | babilen | nullbyte_: That's just the first solution, answer "n" two more times and show me that. |
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| 12:05.26 | babilen | nullbyte_: Please also include the output of "apt-cache policy vlc-nox" |
| 12:05.34 | Richard94_ | GNUPanel looks pretty good |
| 12:05.46 | shingouz | Richard94_: just try them out. most of us use the cli to do those tricks so we really do not know |
| 12:05.55 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410369/ |
| 12:06.05 | babilen | Richard94_: I can only again recommend to actually learn proper system administration and to familiarise yourself with the various command line tools. |
| 12:06.34 | shingouz | it is too easy to just click the system into oblivion |
| 12:06.44 | babilen | nullbyte_: Answer "n" once more ;) -- hence my "first three solutions" |
| 12:08.01 | babilen | nullbyte_: But it looks as if you are about to get vlc from debian-multimedia and a broken version at that. I will not support that. As that is only a recommends AFAICT you could install without recommends, but my recommendation would be to remove all DMM packages and start over. |
| 12:08.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell nullbyte_ about dmm |
| 12:08.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell nullbyte_ about dmm remove |
| 12:08.51 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6410378/ |
| 12:09.09 | BetaTester | hi guys |
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| 12:09.51 | babilen | nullbyte_: Okay, now "apt-cache policy vlc-nox" please |
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| 12:12.38 | nullbyte_ | babilen: deb-multimedia is removed |
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| 12:12.56 | nullbyte_ | i have thinks about dmm is a official supports:D |
| 12:13.24 | nullbyte_ | babilen: http://bpaste.net/show/149223/ |
| 12:13.34 | babilen | nullbyte_: It is not, not at all. |
| 12:13.45 | nullbyte_ | understands |
| 12:13.47 | nullbyte_ | man |
| 12:13.48 | nullbyte_ | thanks |
| 12:13.55 | nullbyte_ | babilen: fixed kvirc solution at now |
| 12:14.00 | babilen | nullbyte_: I take it that you can now install kvirc? |
| 12:14.06 | nullbyte_ | yes |
| 12:14.07 | babilen | great, enjoy! |
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| 12:14.51 | Richard94_ | I have gnupanel_lenny_squeeze_wheezy_precise_0.3.4_R5.tar.bz2 in my gnupale-install folder, im trying to do: tar xjf gnupanel_lenny_squeeze_wheezy_precise_0.3.4_R5.tar.bz2 |
| 12:15.14 | Richard94_ | I get these errors, ill pastebin it |
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| 12:15.41 | Richard94_ | http://paste.debian.net/65600/ |
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| 12:16.20 | ChrisH | Richard94_: you should paste the command itself, too. |
| 12:16.40 | Richard94_ | its tar xjf gnupanel_lenny_squeeze_wheezy_precise_0.3.4_R5.tar.bz2 |
| 12:17.40 | ChrisH | does which bzip2 provide output? |
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| 12:18.01 | Richard94_ | No clue |
| 12:18.15 | blubberdiblub | it's probably not installed |
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| 12:18.26 | blubberdiblub | Richard94_, try installing bzip2 first |
| 12:18.37 | ChrisH | Richard94_: you need to execute the command and see if there is output or not |
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| 12:19.49 | Richard94_ | I just noticed I had an error in my source list file |
| 12:19.54 | Richard94_ | So I'm doing another update |
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| 12:24.00 | nullbyte_ | what about sound in XFCE i don't have sound, ii have installed pulseaudio ,in gnome i have sound? |
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| 12:27.47 | Guest31633 | anyone know how to connect to a 'xtightvnce -listen port'? |
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| 12:35.41 | boudiccas_ | how do i find out my 'debian machine IP adress' please? i'm trying to setup remote logging of my router, so need it for that |
| 12:36.30 | imdea | Hi, I'm trying to mount a ntfs lvm volume in my debian box but when I do: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/eulervg/WindowsERP-data-disk /mnt I get this: http://paste.debian.net/65605/ any idea? |
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| 12:38.51 | shingouz | boudiccas_: ifconfig -a |
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| 12:40.22 | shingouz | boudiccas_: also, you might want to go to a static ip for the logging computer. if the computer in question is on dhcp, i have no idea how to point the router to a changing address |
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| 12:42.38 | boudiccas_ | shingouz; unfortunately unable to use static, has to be dynamic from my isp. but, found out what i needed to know using /sbin/ifconfig .thanks |
| 12:42.55 | ChrisH | imdea: NTFS inside LVM? unusual... run lsblk and compare the output with the expected ones |
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| 12:43.35 | abailarri | Hello. I have a problema. I used unetbootin to create a live usb with a iso, but when I charge the usb, says me "Missing operating system". I use Debian wheezy. Any suggestion please? |
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| 12:44.14 | umarzuki | abailarri |
| 12:44.24 | umarzuki | put iso in that usb afterwards |
| 12:44.39 | ChrisH | abailarri: do not use unetbootin. Most Debian iso can mostly be dd'ed or cat'ed onto any usb media. |
| 12:44.43 | umarzuki | just before you use it to boot |
| 12:45.44 | abailarri | ChrisH, I can make a dd with tails iso to my usb? |
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| 12:46.41 | bartzy | Hello! |
| 12:46.43 | bartzy | Why aptitude install (with no packages as arguments) wants to install stuff from time to time ? |
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| 12:48.45 | babilen | bartzy: scheduled actions |
| 12:49.16 | babilen | bartzy: Running "keep-all" should unschedule all of them. |
| 12:49.16 | bartzy | babilen: What does that mean ? |
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| 12:49.36 | bartzy | babilen: Stuff that should have been installed but was not because of unmet dependencies and stuff ? |
| 12:49.41 | babilen | bartzy: Google for it and read the aptitude manual. It probably becomes more obvious if you use the ncurses interface. |
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| 12:50.14 | bartzy | babilen: apt-get does not have scheduled actions ? |
| 12:50.30 | babilen | I don't think so |
| 12:50.33 | Iridos | luckily not |
| 12:51.58 | Iridos | or to be more precise... |
| 12:52.11 | themill | well... dpkg vs apt can have the same effect |
| 12:52.12 | Iridos | bartzy, it has, but you don't get to see them with apt-get upgrade |
| 12:53.02 | Iridos | (i.e. there's apt-get dselect-upgrade which will look for dselect status) |
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| 12:53.31 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell abailarri about usb install |
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| 12:53.44 | J04CH1MB | hi there. |
| 12:54.04 | ChrisH | abailarri: the boot provided you some details incl. a link. There you should see how to copy the image into the stick. |
| 12:54.35 | bartzy | babilen: I only found that keep-all cancels scheduled actions, but not what scheduled actions are ? |
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| 12:56.23 | abailarri | ChrisH, with the dd command if=path/to/iso.iso of=/path/to/usb, can I delete my hd? |
| 12:56.30 | abailarri | is dangerous? |
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| 12:57.13 | alami | hello, why iwconfig show my wlan0 as eth1 |
| 12:57.18 | J04CH1MB | question: I'm running Kali Linux, basically Debian Wheezy. It comes installed with Gnome3 with the classical interface. I now installed XFCE as a DM, and in that I installed Terminator. Works just fine, but whenever I try to open a CLI app through the menu, it gives me an error 'Failed to execute default Terminal Emulator.: Input/Output error.' I a |
| 12:57.19 | J04CH1MB | m positive that Terminator is the default... Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 12:58.05 | J04CH1MB | abailarri: not if you get the paths right... :) maybe also specify bitsize. |
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| 12:58.34 | erob | J04CH1MB: try recompiling the app |
| 12:59.02 | J04CH1MB | That could be quite some work, it concerns most of the Kali penetration testing suite... :) |
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| 12:59.38 | erob | yah |
| 13:00.14 | babilen | dpkg: kali |
| 13:00.14 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 13:00.20 | babilen | J04CH1MB: ^^^ |
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| 13:01.08 | J04CH1MB | dpkg: I'm also on the kali channel now, but there's nobody there. Thought I'd take my chances here. |
| 13:01.08 | dpkg | J04CH1MB: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 13:01.35 | petern_ | #1? I find that unlikely :) |
| 13:02.30 | babilen | J04CH1MB: We only support pure Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons. If you want support here then use *Debian* please. You chose Kali and should therefore utilise their support. |
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| 13:03.15 | J04CH1MB | K |
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| 13:07.33 | nullbyte_ | why my sound doesn't work in XFCE |
| 13:08.05 | buu | Because your audio is muted |
| 13:08.12 | nullbyte_ | maybe |
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| 13:09.26 | nullbyte_ | it's not muted i have checked |
| 13:10.35 | tomboy65 | :( |
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| 13:11.35 | tomboy65 | dpkg: based on debian |
| 13:11.36 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:11.57 | tomboy65 | dpkg: gentoo |
| 13:11.59 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. See http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 , http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg , or rice rice rice rice, or ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:12.51 | tomboy65 | dpkg: greenhouse |
| 13:12.54 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 13:13.00 | tomboy65 | dpkg: funroll-loops |
| 13:13.00 | dpkg | -funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which <Gentoo> is a prime example. See http://www.funroll-loops.info/ |
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| 13:14.07 | tomboy65 | wow |
| 13:14.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell tomboy65 -about msgthebot |
| 13:14.30 | tomboy65 | i suddenly don't feel bad for flaming debian in #gentoo anymore ^^ |
| 13:15.04 | tomboy65 | okay, babilen |
| 13:15.26 | buu | tomboy65: Yeah! Stupid debian! Its, like, old and stuff! And things rarely break! And its got a packagemanager! What a lame-o. |
| 13:15.52 | babilen | tomboy65: You are free to do whatever you want in other channels and it is up to the operators of those channels to decide if it is on-topic or not. Flaming any distribution in here is certainly neither welcome nor on-topic in #debian and I would appreciate if you could refrain from it in here. |
| 13:16.02 | themill | Perhaps we could get back to having a S/N above 0 now. |
| 13:16.04 | tomboy65 | buu: i have yet to manage to get a compilable kernel on debian. but debian's installer is top notch. |
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| 13:16.22 | tomboy65 | babilen: i'm not flaming. |
| 13:16.28 | babilen | tomboy65: I would also recommend to take this off-topic chatter to #debian-offtopic (if necessary) rather than keeping it in the main, support channel. |
| 13:16.32 | buu | babilen: To be fair, the bot started it. |
| 13:17.08 | babilen | tomboy65: I didn't say you did, I am simply asking you to refrain from doing so in the future. But please lets drop this topic. |
| 13:17.22 | buu | Is there a more important topic to discuss? |
| 13:18.13 | babilen | buu: Support questions; If there are none it is perfectly fine to be quiet. Off-topic discussions should happen in #debian-offtopic. Thanks for respecting this. So please, lets drop it now. |
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| 13:19.22 | funtable | Hello all |
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| 13:21.25 | tomboy65 | babilen: support question. please remove the rather inflammatory picture from the bot dpkg. |
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| 13:21.45 | tomboy65 | at least, add a notice about it not being nsfw. |
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| 13:22.32 | buu | tomboy65: You're saying it should have a notice saying it is safe for work? |
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| 13:24.27 | Richard94 | How do you uninstall GPUpanel, its horrrible lol |
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| 13:24.47 | buu | Richard94: apt-get remove? |
| 13:25.59 | jelly | Richard94: how did you install it? |
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| 13:26.27 | Richard94 | i used wget |
| 13:26.30 | Richard94 | to download it |
| 13:26.45 | Richard94 | didnt use apt-get or anything |
| 13:27.10 | jelly | and then? |
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| 13:28.03 | Richard94 | then i did install-dep.sh |
| 13:28.19 | jelly | and then? |
| 13:28.43 | Richard94 | http://wp.geeklab.com.ar/gl-en/2013/05/09/how-to-install-gnupanel-in-debian-wheezy/ was a very long process |
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| 13:29.02 | jelly | Richard94: but to keep it short, if you used their own installation process, you'll have to use their own uninstallation, too |
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| 13:30.24 | Roenie | seem to be more basics related questions in here lately, is it just me or is ubuntu losing new users to debian for some reason? |
| 13:30.53 | babilen | moves Roenie's question to #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 13:31.22 | Richard94 | alot ofpeople are moving from centos to debian as well |
| 13:31.33 | Richard94 | at least in some of the communities I am involved with |
| 13:31.38 | Roenie | babilen, you lied - i joined and my question is not there |
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| 13:32.19 | BotaniCar | Roenie: it's there, but in transparent letters. Answer too. |
| 13:32.23 | BotaniCar | hides |
| 13:32.29 | Roenie | for what reason, Richard94 ? |
| 13:35.05 | Richard94 | Not sure why honestly. Everyone just keeps stating CentOS is shit |
| 13:35.37 | Richard94 | I used to use CentOS but that was 2-3 years ago. Ordered a few Rasberry Pi's the other day so I need to freshen up on some linux |
| 13:35.51 | grep0r | Richard94, why what changed on Centos? |
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| 13:35.54 | babilen | Richard94: Please take it to #debian-offtopic, thanks |
| 13:36.13 | Richard94 | I was asked a question >.< |
| 13:36.30 | Richard94 | ANYWAYS....GNUPanel doesn't seem to have an uninstall script |
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| 13:37.04 | Roenie | it helps to check that before running the install script doesn't it |
| 13:37.17 | Roenie | hides |
| 13:37.26 | babilen | Richard94: We really cannot support it to the degree you want us to support it as it is not packaged by Debian and we really aren't familiar with it. You would have to revert all steps of the installation, but we have no means to know exactly what that was. |
| 13:37.40 | Richard94 | I know, I just wasn't sure if anyone knew about it |
| 13:37.50 | Richard94 | I'm just going to do a fresh install |
| 13:38.06 | Richard94 | Could you please query me that setup for the sources.list |
| 13:38.13 | babilen | Richard94: I would assume that the developers of gnupanel do, but I am not sure how to reach them at the moment. Did you check their website for support options? |
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| 13:38.27 | Richard94 | Yeah, I couldn't find anything |
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| 13:38.37 | babilen | Richard94: You mean the sources.list I pasted earlier or the factoid the bot sent you? |
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| 13:38.54 | babilen | Richard94: The absence of support should have, in itself, been a big warning flag. |
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| 13:39.02 | Richard94 | Not sure honestly. I just remember it was in the pastebin |
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| 13:39.51 | babilen | Richard94: http://paste.debian.net/65614/ was the one I pasted earlier and the bot sent you <wheezy sources.list> -- Use "/msg dpkg wheezy sources.list" to ask it about that. |
| 13:39.52 | Richard94 | Just restored my laptop earlier in the night, otherwise I would be on mIRC and I would have logs. sorry for the hastle |
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| 13:40.17 | Richard94 | Yeah, that's the one. Thank you babilen |
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| 13:41.53 | Richard94 | What packages will I need to have for a fully functional web server including ftp, MySQL(with phpmyadmin) |
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| 13:42.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94 -about ftpmustdie |
| 13:42.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94 -about ftpd |
| 13:42.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Richard94 -about mysql |
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| 13:43.50 | babilen | Richard94: I am sure that the bot has something to say about phpmyadmin too ;) -- I would recommend to read up on apache2 and general system administration too. That is, after having finished the Debian Handbook you might want to read Nemeth's excellent book or other comparable ones. |
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| 13:44.36 | Richard94 | can you resend that info on the hand book. I'll just read up on that before I do any more |
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| 13:45.47 | babilen | Richard94: Ask the bot yourself .. <handbook> or google for "debian handbook" |
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| 13:52.31 | osfd | How would you check if the make command has properly ended before you do something else ? |
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| 13:53.31 | osfd | please |
| 13:54.37 | jelly | osfd: echo $? should show 0 |
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| 13:55.51 | osfd | jelly: my point would be to only uninstall a program if the make process ends properly |
| 13:55.56 | osfd | see my point ? |
| 13:56.25 | jelly | you can easily script a check, if you're doing automation |
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| 13:57.04 | jelly | just remember $? changes after every command, so the safe thing to do is to put it in a variable right after the make invocation |
| 13:57.05 | arun | Guys is glibc responsible for the locales in debain system??? |
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| 13:57.30 | jelly | arun: yes, with some exceptions -- I think java has their own locales |
| 13:58.19 | babilen | jelly: it does |
| 13:58.20 | osfd | well, every 3 days I update from launchpad a soft on my computer and build it . I'd like to be able to update, build and install (which my script already does) but only if build process has succeded |
| 13:58.21 | arun | jelly: can I talk with the locales maintainer guys in debian please |
| 13:58.36 | osfd | so OK, I'll check out this $? command |
| 13:58.45 | osfd | variable |
| 13:59.08 | jordanm | you rarely need the $? variable directly |
| 13:59.19 | jordanm | if yourcommand; then ...; fi |
| 13:59.28 | jordanm | yourcommand && somethingelse |
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| 13:59.56 | jordanm | you need $? if you care more than 0 or non-zero, or if you plan to run more commands before checking the exit status |
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| 14:00.04 | jelly | arun: this isn't the developer channel. What's your goal? |
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| 14:00.12 | osfd | jordanm: so I can go with a if make then make uninstall ? |
| 14:00.35 | babilen | arun: If you want a new locale included in Debian you should get it included in libc6 first. I have never written my own locale (as all locales I might ever want are available already) so I would recommend to read the websites that I linked earlier. Did you do that already? |
| 14:00.38 | jordanm | osfd: if make; then make uninstall; fi |
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| 14:00.47 | osfd | jordanm: ok :) |
| 14:01.25 | arun | babilen: yes, I tried but that really sucked me and I am feeling headaches |
| 14:02.35 | babilen | arun: persistence! how do you want to develop a new locale if you do not possess the knowledge to do so? But I'm off to lunch now, other people might have other ideas. |
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| 14:03.44 | arun | jelly: I am wanting to add a new language which has already an ISO code named:- "the" and English name:- "Chitwania Tharu) in the system's language option |
| 14:03.58 | gbit | Hello, I need to install more languages support for Gmail auto-zip download files, here is a example: http://imagebin.org/276856 |
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| 14:06.14 | jelly | arun: is it already present in glibc? If not, you'll want to talk with GNU libc people do add it |
| 14:06.59 | jelly | arun: if it's present in upstream glibc, you can file a bug report for eglibc source package and ask for inclusion |
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| 14:10.18 | arun | jelly: don't know |
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| 14:11.23 | jelly | arun: have you checked? http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/development.html They seem to have a mailing list for locale issues. |
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| 14:13.47 | arun | jelly: yes, but how can I report from there? |
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| 14:15.42 | jelly | arun: I have no idea, you'll have to read GNU libc docs and learn where to ask or where to file bugs. |
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| 14:16.40 | jelly | arun: if you read the archives for their locales mailing list, you may be able to find how other languages get added |
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| 14:17.22 | arun | jelly: yaa, I am in that, but there are a lot of things here |
| 14:17.30 | jelly | arun: eg. This thread looks like an initial addition https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-locales/2013-q4/msg00022.html |
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| 14:18.28 | jelly | arun: I'm sorry, I can't do investigation instead of you -- you want a feature added, you'll have to learn how to ask for it |
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| 14:18.51 | arun | jelly: ok bro |
| 14:20.17 | jelly | if those Angika people figured it out, I'm sure you'll be able to do it as well |
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| 14:34.11 | blue_sky | I want to run a service on a port, how do I find out which ports are already in use on my server for other things? |
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| 14:36.45 | babilen | blue_sky: Take a look at /etc/services |
| 14:37.48 | blue_sky | babilen: thanks, that's a nice list. |
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| 14:39.17 | forcer | blue_sky: If you want to have a list of ports that actually are *used* on your host, as opposed to assigned, netstat -nlt will give you a list of listening TCP sockets |
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| 14:39.28 | gbit | I have a not googling question :) |
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| 14:40.21 | blue_sky | forcer: that's useful too. Thank you. |
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| 14:40.55 | leaf12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.27 | blue_sky | \whois leaf12 |
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| 14:41.29 | blue_sky | lol |
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| 14:42.04 | bezaban | blue_sky: you can also use sudo lsof -i4 -n -iTCP -sTCP:LISTEN for listening tcp services |
| 14:42.07 | bezaban | nvm. |
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| 15:02.19 | foubarre | hi. Time for the question of the stupid guy that does stupid things.. I setup autologin and first program that auto-launches on login... reboots... Is there anything to avoid autologin (keypress, ...) from operating when you have no time to edit a script? |
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| 15:06.23 | alami | hello, i have a new debian minimal install, and i have installed wicd, but he tell, no wireless network found, and iwconfig tell eth1 is a wireless interface |
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| 15:08.52 | alami | and no sound also |
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| 15:12.57 | buu | alami: Why did you install wicd instead of network manager? |
| 15:13.15 | buu | alami: can you iw scan to find networks? |
| 15:13.20 | alami | buu: because i like wicd more the network manager |
| 15:13.23 | buu | etc |
| 15:13.24 | alami | no |
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| 15:13.36 | buu | It reports no cells found? |
| 15:13.39 | buu | Or some other messsage? |
| 15:13.41 | alami | iwlist eth1 scan also don't show any network |
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| 15:14.02 | buu | what does it say? |
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| 15:15.18 | alami | alami@alami:~$ iwlist eth1 scan |
| 15:15.19 | alami | bash: iwlist: command not found |
| 15:15.39 | alami | i don't know why, befor installing wicd it work xD |
| 15:15.44 | buu | .... |
| 15:15.57 | buu | Maybe you should fix that first |
| 15:16.05 | alami | lol how |
| 15:16.17 | alami | ohh sorry buu |
| 15:16.29 | alami | sudo iwlist ;) |
| 15:16.32 | buu | Might help! |
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| 15:16.46 | alami | eth1 No scan results |
| 15:17.01 | buu | The command is 'scanning' .. |
| 15:17.09 | alami | buu: i have fluxbox |
| 15:17.10 | buu | Oh, apparently not. |
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| 15:17.25 | alami | scan and scanning is the same |
| 15:17.27 | buu | alami: Are you sure this card works? Do you have updated drivers? |
| 15:17.39 | buu | Does lspci and lsmod and stuff show the correct details? |
| 15:17.45 | alami | yes |
| 15:17.48 | Leoneof | alami: sudo ifconfig -a |
| 15:17.52 | buu | Are you sure there are wireless networks nearby? |
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| 15:18.21 | alami | 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 15:18.46 | alami | Leoneof:eth1 |
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| 15:19.07 | Leoneof | are you sure? not wlan0? |
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| 15:19.24 | alami | i'm 100% sure |
| 15:19.45 | alami | i have eth0 as lan and eth1 as wlan |
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| 15:20.13 | Leoneof | ok, there are Settings in wicd, you should fill them |
| 15:20.25 | alami | i have do it |
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| 15:20.39 | alami | i will remove wicd and install wifi rader, is that a good idea? |
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| 15:21.53 | alami | whaat about sound? |
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| 15:22.44 | pseudonymous | Hi - as a recent debian convert (from Arch) I'm wondering, when is the decision of whether Debian goes Upstart or SystemD to be finalised ? |
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| 15:23.49 | alami | any one know sound command very good? |
| 15:23.52 | babilen | pseudonymous: There is no definite deadline, but I wouldn't be surprised if the decision is made within the next months (with "months" being 2-4-6) |
| 15:24.37 | pseudonymous | babilen: ah, so I'm not getting much from manically hammering F5 in my browser @ debian.org ;) Ok.. |
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| 15:25.27 | gbit | Ola, não consigo encontrar informação de onde posso instalar mais suporte a linguas para a funcão auto zip download go Gmail. http://imagebin.org/276856 |
| 15:25.32 | gbit | sorry |
| 15:25.52 | peterrooney | pseudonymous: the debian-devel discussion thread is... voluminous. |
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| 15:26.48 | babilen | pseudonymous: It probably won't take long, but the different parties haven't even all finished their position statements. (cf. https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/ ) |
| 15:27.05 | pseudonymous | I'm just surprised there's even much of a discussion at all, I would've thought the copyright assignment requirement would have ended the discussion right then and there. But oh well. |
| 15:27.28 | pseudonymous | babilen: yes, I had a look at that page yesterday :) |
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| 15:27.49 | babilen | pseudonymous: I am sure that that point will be taken into consideration |
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| 15:58.57 | buscon_ | hi, i'd like to let another (trusted) person to connect on ssh on my computer |
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| 15:59.05 | buscon_ | but I don't have access to the router here |
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| 15:59.26 | buscon_ | so i was thinking to forward a port on a third machine, but I don't remember how to do it |
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| 15:59.32 | dark_node | If it is not your router, then it might not be a good idea to be letting people ssh into the network. |
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| 15:59.50 | dark_node | You need router access to port forward. |
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| 16:00.16 | alami | hello, i have installed netbeans, and my question is where to put netbean.bin to i can excute it from the command line??? |
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| 16:01.09 | buscon_ | dark_node: it is actually possible, you do ssh -R I think and open up a port on a server, a port that actually point to your computer |
| 16:01.12 | jordanm | alami: anywhere in $PATH, but you probably should have just used the debian package |
| 16:01.39 | dark_node | Oh ok, i was not aware. i am sorry. I have only used router software to port forward. |
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| 16:01.47 | alami | jordanm: i have linked that into /usr/bin and not work :D |
| 16:01.49 | dark_node | Please do not hate me buscon_ =) |
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| 16:02.10 | buscon_ | dark_node: np :) |
| 16:02.28 | dark_node | Hopefully someone with a little more knowledge will chime in. |
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| 16:03.31 | alami | any one here can help me with sound Problem |
| 16:05.08 | dark_node | We can try alami =) |
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| 16:05.46 | alami | dark_node, i have install debian with fluxbox, and now i can't here any thing |
| 16:06.05 | CissWit | buscon_: what exactly can you do to make your tunnel work ? |
| 16:06.17 | alami | i have started alsamixer and make everything high |
| 16:06.17 | CissWit | or port forward |
| 16:06.48 | buscon_ | CissWit: I just want someone else to connect with ssh to my computer |
| 16:08.09 | mumpitzel | buscon_: it is possible but then the other side must run a ssh server you can reach |
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| 16:08.22 | CissWit | try ssh -R rport:127.0.0.1:22 someuser@aremotehost |
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| 16:08.48 | CissWit | then, you can ssh aremotehost -p rport |
| 16:08.54 | alami | dark_node??? |
| 16:09.28 | CissWit | or most probably, from aremotehost, ssh 127.0.0.1 -p rport |
| 16:09.36 | CissWit | as rport is unlikely to be opened |
| 16:09.41 | CissWit | unfiltered* |
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| 16:10.48 | alami | jordanm: do you still here? |
| 16:11.23 | dark_node | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.45 | alami | dark_node: sorry i don't know |
| 16:11.56 | mumpitzel | !tell alami about alsa checklist |
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| 16:13.42 | alami | !alsa |
| 16:13.42 | dpkg | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:13.55 | dark_node | If you do not have alsa download it. |
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| 16:14.20 | alami | dark_node i have alsa and i can run alsamixer+ |
| 16:14.28 | dark_node | Hrmmm. |
| 16:14.46 | dark_node | And it shows the sound all the way up on your output device? |
| 16:14.55 | alami | yes |
| 16:15.41 | alami | okay it work now |
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| 16:15.45 | alami | thnaks |
| 16:15.49 | dark_node | And it shows the device you are trying to use as your default? |
| 16:15.49 | Elemeno-work | what was this issue? |
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| 16:16.34 | dark_node | What was wrong alami? |
| 16:17.06 | alami | dark_node: the chanel, i have only changed to PCM |
| 16:17.11 | dark_node | =) |
| 16:17.16 | dark_node | Glad it was an easy fix. |
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| 16:17.23 | alami | lol yes |
| 16:17.33 | alami | but i have do make more gib fixex |
| 16:17.34 | alami | :D |
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| 16:17.38 | dark_node | =) |
| 16:18.09 | alami | dark_node: have you even see a wla0 as eth1?? :D |
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| 16:25.34 | roe_ | is there a debian/correct way to get scripts in /etc/cron.daily/ to run as a specific user? |
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| 16:27.30 | ChrisH | roe_: I normally do it this way: crontab [ -u user ] file ; this is independent from the OS and works for most unix'is systems. You might need to su USER -c "crontab FILE" on UNIX[tm] Systems. |
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| 16:28.24 | roe_ | there should be a way to use the /etc/cron.* structure and still specify a user |
| 16:28.27 | ChrisH | roe_: I know this is a different approach. |
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| 16:28.48 | roe_ | ChrisH, it is technically fine, but it can be hard to maintain |
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| 16:29.46 | ChrisH | roe_: depends... My crontabinstaller script to crontab -l | grep -v COMMAND > FILE ; echo "COMMAND" >> FILE ; su user -c crontab FILE |
| 16:29.49 | petern_ | Hmm, so in Wheezy, can systemd be faster than sysvinit, or was I just imagining it? |
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| 16:30.30 | roe_ | ChrisH, sure and when a script it throwing an error or you migrate a service you have to remember to check each user's crontab |
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| 16:31.09 | roe_ | like I said, it is a technically correct way, and if there is no other way to do it, that is a fine solution. I'm going to hold out though for something a bit more.... "Debian" |
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| 16:31.46 | ChrisH | roe_: therefore I only put them into root or users crontab. there is a /etc/crontab where you can also specify the user |
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| 16:35.40 | roe_ | this seems like a reasonable way: http://www.fogel.ca/2010/08/07/elegantly-dropping-priviledge-in-an-etccron-daily-script/ |
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| 16:46.32 | nullbyte_ | how can i install h.264 decoder plugin |
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| 16:54.41 | karlpinc | My box has been crashing every 2 weeks to a month. I tried running memtest86+ on it and got no errors. I finally got a kernel panic on the console. (Perhaps I need to leave it on vt1 to get output?) Here's the panic. http://paste.debian.net/65653/ What does this tell me? I suspect hardware problems, but I suppose it could be firmware. It feels network related, and the panic seems to confirm this, but is there anything else to try |
| 16:54.41 | karlpinc | to diagnose or make the hardware work? (FYI, the output was copied from the console by hand. I've not gotten around to try setting up a serial console.) |
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| 16:55.40 | arad | guys i have a question about debian packages, how come rekonq browser is in wheezy repo but not in jessie?? shouldn't it be opposite ? |
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| 16:56.14 | karlpinc | arad: Check the bug tracking system. |
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| 16:57.42 | arad | karlpinc: would you mind if teach me where i can find this things ? i am not really familiar with bug reports and stuff |
| 16:58.02 | karlpinc | !bts |
| 16:58.02 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 16:58.54 | arad | karlpinc: thank you man |
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| 16:59.18 | karlpinc | arad: I think you can also talk to the judd irc bot and ask it about why or why not packages are in partcular releases, but I forget how to do it. |
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| 17:05.39 | linux|newb | what do people use as a twitter client? |
| 17:06.22 | [olli] | dislikes twitter as a concept. =) |
| 17:06.36 | linux|newb | [olli]: noted :) |
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| 17:07.01 | [olli] | linux|newb, apt-cache search twitter |
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| 17:07.14 | [olli] | linux|newb, use whatever you like. |
| 17:07.24 | [olli] | sure this will find some. |
| 17:07.45 | karlpinc | linux|newb: debtags can also be useful for searching packages |
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| 17:07.58 | linux|newb | [olli]: I've done that - cheers. I was looking for one that people have had particularly good experiences with :) |
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| 17:11.41 | blocky | hmm so has anyone gotten the non-free fglrx working on jessie? |
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| 17:15.22 | mumpitzel | blocky: better ask a productive question |
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| 17:17.09 | blocky | mumpitzel: I guess if it was easy to do reliably it wouldn't have been removed from the testing repos |
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| 17:19.11 | blocky | mumpitzel: here is a different question: when i start Xorg, either my monitor reports or x somehow determines that 1024 x 768 is the highest resolution i can display, but i know this monitor can do 1280 x 1024. |
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| 17:19.57 | blocky | I have tried adding a modeline manually to xorg.conf and I can make that resolution appear in the control panel display applet but when i switch to it, the image is shifted left by about an inch, and off the viewable area |
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| 17:20.23 | Deesl | What is the status of ZFS support on Debian 7? Is it stable enough to be used on production file servers? |
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| 17:20.43 | karlpinc | blocky: How are you getting the modeline? |
| 17:20.54 | blocky | cvt 1280 1024 |
| 17:21.18 | karlpinc | blocky: crt or flat panel? |
| 17:21.28 | blocky | flat panel, older one |
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| 17:21.53 | karlpinc | blocky: Can you use the monitor controls to bring it back "onscreen"? |
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| 17:22.23 | blocky | didn't try actually. I assumed it was wrong because before upgrading to jessie it worked automatically |
| 17:22.28 | Deesl | Also, what is the recommended virtulisation platform on Debian Xen or KVM? |
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| 17:22.51 | rtjure | Does wheezy still have the arp command? |
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| 17:23.15 | karlpinc | blocky: I don't know a lot about the flat panels. With crt you can adjust the modeline manually to move the image, but you wouldn't want to break your monitor. |
| 17:23.51 | petern_ | rtjure, yes |
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| 17:24.52 | rtjure | petern_: thanks that helped open my eyes… :) |
| 17:25.02 | karlpinc | Deesl: It's a matter of taste. A lot of folk will use kvm to go with something more supported by the open source community. There's also lxc. YMMV. |
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| 17:25.22 | blocky | karlpinc: lol i just pressed the 'auto' button on my monitor and it realigned |
| 17:25.28 | blocky | karlpinc: thanks for the help |
| 17:25.52 | karlpinc | Deesl: You might want to check in the debian reference manual. |
| 17:27.01 | Deesl | karlpinc: never tried lxc. I have quite some experience with Xen. But last time I spoke here, people told me Xen support is kind of patchy... |
| 17:27.04 | Deesl | Is that true? |
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| 17:28.03 | karlpinc | Deesl: I can't speak to that directly. My feel is that kvm is preferred over xen. (There also seems to be a lot of vmware....) |
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| 17:28.38 | Deesl | karlpinc: Vmware is not an option. Again, trying to ride on your experience. Why do you think KVM is preferred over Xen? |
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| 17:31.48 | karlpinc | Deesl: Because xen took forever to get all the way into the kernel, and is owned by citrix and subsized by MS to be optimized on MS Windows, which took developer effort away from the Linux side. And becase RH is pushing behind kvm and open-sourcing kvm tools. And I hear that kvm is better at the work of being a vm. The higher level kvm tools didn't seem to be up what's available, say, in vmware but that was some time ago. |
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| 17:32.29 | Deesl | okay. So Xen still suffers from the same set of problems I presume? |
| 17:32.35 | karlpinc | Deesl: I have no direct expereience. This is more a matter of long-time feel. |
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| 17:33.02 | partyallnight | https://www.facebook.com/events/569654679757110/581579548564623/?notif_t=like |
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| 17:33.12 | Deesl | Also, I have no experience with KVM, so is there anything that you are aware that works in Xen but not in KVM, for example, paravirtualisation, block storage access and likes? |
| 17:33.19 | karlpinc | Deesl: It seems that the community has moved on past xen. That's my feel. |
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| 17:34.08 | karlpinc | Deesl: Not that I know of, but I'm not a good person to ask. You might get a better answer from google than I'd give you regards that. |
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| 17:34.54 | karlpinc | Deesl: lxc is extremely lightweight, but because it shares the kernel it's not as secure. |
| 17:34.55 | linux|newb | hotot looked really nice but looks like it no longer works |
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| 17:35.40 | GomoX | Hey |
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| 17:41.11 | Deesl | linux|newb: well, in that case, I believe it is more of an OS virtualisation. I will not be able to run, say a freebsd guest inside lcx, yes? |
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| 17:44.36 | karlpinc | Deesl: Correct. |
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| 17:44.57 | Deesl | okay |
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| 17:47.04 | spawn` | yo |
| 17:47.05 | jordanm | karlpinc: the community has not moved passed xen |
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| 17:47.17 | spawn` | try Zen |
| 17:47.28 | spawn` | the original |
| 17:47.45 | jordanm | Deesl: RH has a stack of tools on top of KVM called RHEV to compete with xenserver and vmware |
| 17:48.13 | Deesl | jordanm: okay. What is the status of the tools in Debian? Are there .debs available for that? |
| 17:48.15 | spawn` | any of you familiar with kali |
| 17:48.24 | jordanm | Deesl: the stack (excluding the web interface?) is all open source |
| 17:48.35 | Deesl | dont care about the web. |
| 17:48.37 | Deesl | :) |
| 17:48.41 | karlpinc | Deesl: jordanm knows more about this than I do. |
| 17:48.52 | zykotick9 | spawn`: it's not supported here. try #kali-linux |
| 17:49.07 | Deesl | karlpinc: oh very well. Thanks so much for the help :) |
| 17:49.07 | jordanm | Deesl: no, you can't run RHEV on debian, not even the RHEV manager |
| 17:49.25 | spawn` | i got banned from there for another question |
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| 17:49.32 | Deesl | jordanm: earlier question, is there anything that you are aware of that works in Xen but not in KVM? I have quite some experience with Xen but none with KVM |
| 17:49.33 | spawn` | sadly...........was a legit question |
| 17:49.54 | spawn` | but this is a glibc6 compilation problem |
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| 17:50.00 | jordanm | Deesl: I think RH has a comparison chart somewhere |
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| 17:50.27 | spawn` | its all about installing steam for linux to play dota2.......and they only support ubuntu |
| 17:51.08 | spawn` | but kali linux has an experimental libc but it wont compile without major errors towards the end |
| 17:51.20 | jordanm | !tell spawn` about based on debian |
| 17:51.26 | jordanm | spawn`: it's not supported here |
| 17:51.40 | jordanm | Deesl: all the major features are there |
| 17:51.57 | Deesl | jordanm: okay. cool |
| 17:52.24 | spawn` | i know |
| 17:52.52 | spawn` | but it *is* debian based and has libc6 packs ready |
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| 17:53.08 | spawn` | #k-l wont help me..... |
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| 17:53.22 | cent4urus | hi! any samba expert here? |
| 17:53.24 | mumpitzel | !debian based |
| 17:53.24 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:53.32 | spawn` | "you are trying to do more with the distro than what was intended" |
| 17:53.41 | spawn` | but ive done more than most of them |
| 17:54.05 | mumpitzel | karlpinc: it's the same with flatpanels and their modelines, as long as they use vga in. and with digital inputs it wouldn't happen in the first place |
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| 17:54.24 | spawn` | so i cannot find help with my issue anywhere |
| 17:54.28 | spawn` | :( |
| 17:54.54 | bazhang | try ##linux |
| 17:54.58 | spawn` | ok here IS a question that you can answer |
| 17:55.05 | spawn` | if i use WINE/Q |
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| 17:55.13 | spawn` | can i use steam that way |
| 17:55.24 | bazhang | #winehq |
| 17:55.30 | bazhang | check the appdb |
| 17:55.35 | spawn` | despite i want to run dota2 native in linux |
| 17:55.40 | spawn` | ty...... |
| 17:55.45 | spawn` | ill check it out |
| 17:56.02 | spawn` | but i really dont want to run it through win if i dont have to |
| 17:56.22 | spawn` | might as well boot to winblows |
| 17:56.40 | jordanm | spawn`: you are off topic here |
| 17:56.42 | spawn` | my ATI card runs so much better in nix than wndows |
| 17:56.57 | zykotick9 | spawn`: kail is NOT a gerneal purpose gnu/linux distro. using it for gaming is crazyness... |
| 17:56.59 | mtn | spawn`: maybe you should install debian? |
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| 17:57.16 | spawn` | this is a nix chan....so i dont really consider myself off-topic since there really is no topic |
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| 17:57.34 | spawn` | oh....isee! forgive me |
| 17:57.38 | zykotick9 | spawn`: this is a debian channel, you are offtopic |
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| 17:57.50 | bazhang | try ##linux |
| 17:57.57 | spawn` | zyko....i realized my error.....please forgive my idiocy |
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| 17:58.17 | spawn` | thank you for the help you did give me |
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| 17:59.39 | sejo | how do I specify with dpkg that it should execute the default action for the configuration file? |
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| 18:00.06 | sejo | -B ? |
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| 18:08.11 | tremon | two items below it, force-confdef |
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| 18:42.21 | shafox | hi, i am debian wheezy, on dell vostro 2520 model. sound plays both from headphone and speakers when headphone is connected . |
| 18:43.25 | Agiofws | helllo |
| 18:43.30 | Agiofws | does anyone know of a way of inserting side notes in openoffice ? line notes on a text ? |
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| 18:44.07 | jelly-home | snides Agiofws for not waiting for a response at least 5 minutes in between asking different channels |
| 18:44.25 | Agiofws | kinda in a hurry sorry |
| 18:44.43 | Agiofws | wonders if ms office has his kind of feature... |
| 18:44.52 | jelly-home | *chides |
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| 18:46.59 | tremon | Agiofws: Insert->Comment |
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| 18:50.00 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 18:50.00 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 18:51.33 | sejo | thanks tremon |
| 18:53.52 | occupant | people getting klined for asking for help in help channels? I'l take "things that have never happened" for 500. |
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| 18:57.28 | YokoBR | guys, how can i make a windows usb (bootable) on debian? |
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| 18:57.33 | YokoBR | Wheezy |
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| 18:57.51 | YokoBR | i have the windows 7 iso |
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| 18:59.44 | YokoBR | i've already tried dd, but didn't worked. |
| 18:59.50 | shafox | hi, i am debian wheezy, on dell vostro 2520 model. sound plays both from headphone and speakers when headphone is connected . |
| 19:00.08 | maxyz | YokoBR: I'm not sure that's neither possible nor legal. |
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| 19:00.46 | YokoBR | maxyz, it must be, because i have an ultrabook, and it doesn't have dvd drive |
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| 19:01.55 | YokoBR | it came with an original windows key, but oem pre-installed. I must format it again, but w/o the dvd drive :( |
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| 19:06.05 | tremon | you need to create a partition, format it as fat32, and copy the files from the iso onto the partition. Then it needs a windows nt bootsector, not sure how to do that under linux. Maybe diskpart runs in wine? |
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| 19:06.45 | Tros | I'm using a turnkey installation of SVN. I also want an issue-tracker to run on this machine. I think the best option is to install Mantis on the same machine, but I'm worried this might break things on the website-interface to SVN/wiki. Are my concerns legitimate, or is this expansion a common exercise? |
| 19:07.01 | YokoBR | tremon, no, it don't :( ... ubuntu has an app for that... but idk on debian |
| 19:07.23 | Tros | turnkey is debian-based, but I imagine some other system administrator has this experience. |
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| 19:09.35 | YokoBR | i'm about to create a PXE server just to do this damn install :( |
| 19:11.30 | maxyz | It seems that unetbootin supports that http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html |
| 19:12.26 | maxyz | Else, you could probably use the ubuntu app. |
| 19:13.00 | maxyz | YokoBR: Does the windows installer supports PXE? |
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| 19:14.19 | maxyz | Tros: No idea on how turnkey is tweaked. |
| 19:15.40 | maxyz | Tros: In general, is a good idea to have a test machine or vm to just try upgrades/changes... |
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| 19:21.36 | smeagolll | help ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/xen-start-vm-windows-%3D-problem-help-please-4175484442/ |
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| 19:23.55 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to see what SMTP server the mail command is using by default? |
| 19:25.24 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: it doesn't, it uses /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 19:25.43 | JyZyXEL | does sendmail use some SMTP server? |
| 19:26.04 | jordanm | it's provided by your SMTP server |
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| 19:26.38 | JyZyXEL | ok that would probably depend on exim4 configuration |
| 19:26.49 | koollman | JyZyXEL: usually, yes. the sendmail command is installed by whatever smtp (or rather, 'MTA') software is installed on your machine |
| 19:27.02 | JyZyXEL | that is exim4 on debian i think |
| 19:27.09 | JyZyXEL | (by default) |
| 19:27.31 | YokoBR | maxyz, yep |
| 19:27.31 | mo1991 | is it normal to have rpc.statd listening ? I have debian wheezy |
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| 19:28.13 | mo1991 | learning a bit more about netstat, and it shows the rpc.statd service listening on ports |
| 19:28.16 | kexibq | hey guys, any ideas why all of a sudden after a reboot networkmanager won't let me connect to any wifi networks? (I remember seeing a 32 error maybe.. ?) |
| 19:30.23 | kexibq | I had to run 'exec ck-launch-session startxfce4' as root and connect, then log back in as user. |
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| 19:41.22 | tremon | mo1991: it's part of nfs v2 and v3 |
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| 19:44.23 | bet0x | how i enable squeeze backports? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free fails |
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| 19:47.23 | LtL | bet0x: like this: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 19:48.03 | bet0x | thank you |
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| 19:48.27 | LtL | bet0x: np |
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| 19:49.13 | tremon | according to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ you need ftp.CC.debian.org, not backports.debian.org (or any other regular mirror) |
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| 19:49.54 | tremon | err, that should read "ftp.cc .. (or any other), not backports.debian.org" |
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| 19:51.00 | LtL | tremon: hrm, i've had mine since squeeze release. i best look into that, thanks |
| 19:51.14 | bet0x | Package libcurl-dev is a virtual package provided by E: Package 'libcurl-dev' has no installation candidate |
| 19:51.16 | bet0x | damn! |
| 19:51.18 | tremon | not sure about squeeze, but for later versions backports.debian.org is deprecated |
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| 19:52.46 | LtL | tremon: okay, thanks.. it still works on oldstable, appreciate the heads up |
| 19:53.53 | bluesm | Could you help me with bluetooth keyboard ? |
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| 19:56.20 | kleanchap^ | Hello. How do I change my mouse settings to prevent window autofocus in lxde? |
| 19:57.10 | tremon | bluesm: last time I tried it was quite hairy, see http://elinux.org/RPi_Bluetooth_keyboard_setup and I've never been succesful in making a pairing survive a reboot. ymmv |
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| 20:00.05 | tremon | bet0x: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/curl.html says there are 3 -dev packages for curl, libcurl4-{gnutls,nss,openssl}-dev |
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| 20:01.53 | bluesm | tremon: So you couldn't just make bash script for it int bash.rc ? |
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| 20:03.19 | tremon | bluesm: no, after a reboot every time I tried to connect I would get "device is busy". Only way to make it connect again was to remove the pairing and start over |
| 20:03.35 | blocky | so i was messing around with x trying to get it to detect the correct resolution and my computer locked up, screen blank, capslock light on keybd not responding, but i can ssh in .. any way to recover? |
| 20:03.42 | bluesm | tremon: What a shame... |
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| 20:04.41 | bluesm | hmm. You could do, event larger workaround :P, do the script for the pairing again .... and remembering to pass 1234 <enter> as a code every time :P |
| 20:04.47 | bluesm | tremon: ^ |
| 20:05.27 | smeagolll | help ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/xen-start-vm-windows-%3D-problem-help-please-4175484442/ |
| 20:05.30 | tremon | yep, that might have worked. It wasn't that high on my to do list though |
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| 20:05.56 | bluesm | tremon: But anyway thanks for article, now I'm writing to you with my fake apple keyboard :] |
| 20:06.08 | blocky | got x restarted... anyone know what these errors mean? http://pastebin.com/7vdMjF0L |
| 20:06.22 | tremon | great, good to know it worked :) |
| 20:06.40 | blocky | xorg.conf here http://pastebin.com/GLRJJ89t |
| 20:07.23 | jelly-home | blocky: it's not overly nice to ask the same thing in multiple channels at the same time |
| 20:07.51 | jelly-home | you'll get two groups of people, with incomplete information, giving you same advice |
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| 20:13.42 | blocky | jelly-home: sorry |
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| 20:14.29 | blocky | maybe i just need a new monitor |
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| 20:21.56 | jelly-home | or just set up a few xrandr lines in session autostart |
| 20:22.20 | jelly-home | it's a huge hack, but if it works... |
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| 20:25.54 | Some_Person | Is it possible to specify IDE drive type in Linux? As in, I've got this really old Conner 40MB drive that I'd like to hook up to my modern PC, but I need to be able to specify that it's Type 22 (or maybe using CHS values would also work) |
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| 20:28.18 | Some_Person | Letting my BIOS auto detect it did not work (Windows showed a garbled directory listing), so I want to be sure that this is possible before I try it in Linux |
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| 20:28.37 | edju | Brother's machine has wheezy in sources.list. However, installed was wheezy when it was testing. No update in a long time . Now that it's stable, would a simple update work? |
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| 20:34.38 | Tros | So, I tried installing mantis when I didn't have a mysql (or any) server installed. |
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| 20:35.37 | Tros | Actually, nevermind, I'll see if I run into the same problem on a reinstall. |
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| 20:46.07 | namespace | We all know about virtual desktops right? (Letting you have more than one desktop at once in software.) |
| 20:46.17 | namespace | Is there a way to make virtual desktops different users? |
| 20:46.22 | namespace | Sort of like android profiles? |
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| 20:47.23 | namespace | The closest I've gotten so far is using a bunch of virtual machines. |
| 20:47.32 | namespace | Which is a heinous waste of resources. |
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| 20:49.08 | tremon | not without sharing your X session access with those users. And I'm fairly sure you can do something like that with xmonad |
| 20:49.35 | namespace | tremon: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Some insanity involving a tiling WM might be able to pull it off. |
| 20:50.00 | tremon | you don't need the insanity, but you do want the configurability |
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| 20:53.29 | pseudonymous | So I'm trying to compile a piece of software and it's depending on wxpython which is too old (I'm already running Debian testing) -- is there a reasonable way to extract a deb package, point it to a newer upstream release, remove the patches and repackage it all up again ? |
| 20:53.31 | namespace | tremon: Actually now that you mention it, I might be able to pull it off by using X window forwarding locally. |
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| 20:54.57 | tremon | you can always do that with individual windows (or programs), but not couple the user to your current virtual desktop |
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| 20:56.29 | namespace | tremon: The more I think about it, I think I want it on a window by window basis anyway. If I open shell and run a program as another user using su/sudo, and it displays the window on my screen, if the app were compromised would it have the permissions of my user? |
| 20:56.47 | namespace | Or the permissions of the user I'm running it as. |
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| 20:57.04 | mo1991 | how do I tell a program to use a different configuration file? For example if I have my main iceweasel config in .mozilla, is there a way I can start iceweasel instead to look at .mozilla2 for say a different set of bookmarks, etc. ? |
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| 20:57.44 | tremon | depends on the nature of the compromise, if it is an X vulnerability it runs as root no matter who you run it as |
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| 20:58.14 | namespace | tremon: Isn't X windows out of vulns by this point? |
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| 20:58.42 | tremon | it is as much out of vulnerabilities as Windows is |
| 20:58.52 | namespace | That vulnerable huh? |
| 20:59.16 | namespace | Can't you just use a MAC to contain it? |
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| 21:00.41 | tremon | fafaik there are no known vulnerabilities in current X.org releases, that's about as far as I'd go |
| 21:02.22 | namespace | I guess what I'm saying is that as far as code bases go, x.org seems to both ancient and fairly stable. I would assume that it's harder to find a vuln in x windows as opposed to the nearly porous Microsoft Windows. |
| 21:02.29 | tremon | I wouldn't worry about that too much though, you very much need a targeted attack to exploit X that way |
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| 21:04.03 | tremon | I only mentioned Windows to indicate that age doesn't necessarily imply better security, comparing things to Windows is very much food for #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:04.57 | tremon | if you're worried about applications leaking your personal information, then yes running things as different users is an acceptable solution |
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| 21:05.28 | namespace | tremon: On the former message, agreed. On the latter, okay. |
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| 21:06.29 | tremon | and you'll find probably as many opinions on that subject as there are lurkers in this channel ;) |
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| 21:07.42 | namespace | tremon: The relative security of windows or running your applications as other users? |
| 21:07.55 | tremon | lol. probably both |
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| 21:11.02 | tremon | mo1991: that very much depends on the program. For iceweasel, see iceweasel -Profile<anager |
| 21:11.10 | tremon | that's -ProfileManager |
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| 21:11.38 | namespace | mo1991: What tremon said, there's no general "switch my config" option AFAIK. |
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| 21:11.56 | tremon | well you can always run the program as a different user ;) |
| 21:12.20 | namespace | Or swap out the default config file for a symlink. |
| 21:12.28 | namespace | And then have a shell script that switches it. |
| 21:12.46 | mo1991 | ok , thx guys. I saw the profile manager in iceweasel. I'd also like 2 configs for xchat |
| 21:13.01 | mo1991 | I didn't know if there is a common switch |
| 21:13.22 | tremon | there isn't, but xchat has -d. Check the man pages |
| 21:13.23 | mo1991 | may just make sense to add another user and su to that user |
| 21:14.40 | mo1991 | tremon - cool, I see xchat is easy to change also. I figure I'll just setup shortcuts for iceweasel to use different profile and for xchat to use a different config with -d option |
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| 21:27.54 | smeagolll | help ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/xen-start-vm-windows-%3D-problem-help-please-4175484442/ |
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| 21:39.35 | mo1991 | if a use a vpn to connect, is there still a way to run a webserver, ssh, etc? In other words have these services "opt out" of the VPN connection? |
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| 21:44.56 | jhutchins_wk | !tell pseudonymous about ssb |
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| 21:45.12 | busy87 | hi all |
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| 21:45.25 | busy87 | how i can solve this error |
| 21:45.27 | busy87 | [39919.805509] [drm:kick_ring] *ERROR* Kicking stuck semaphore on render ring |
| 21:45.27 | busy87 | [40559.599338] [drm:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung |
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| 21:58.30 | jhutchins_wk | What, besides a cron job, could be regularly generating at jobs? |
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| 22:00.02 | jpowermacg5 | jhutchins_wk what's wrong with cron? |
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| 22:03.56 | maxyz | busy87: No conclusive results, but you could try some of the work arounds posted here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7319152.html |
| 22:04.17 | busy87 | tnks maxyz |
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| 22:04.21 | maxyz | (forcing uxa, forcing NoAccel, etc) |
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| 22:05.57 | Kobra | hey, any one know how to get nautilus out of the "dark theme"? |
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| 22:06.14 | Kobra | i put the Dark theme on all windows setting on to try, and nautilius is stuck in it |
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| 22:08.13 | Kobra | ah, never mind, i just killed naut, and it's fixed |
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| 22:10.28 | rorschachrev | I have been a linux advocate and user since 1999. I have been a debian user and advocate since 2001. Debian has made choices that hurt users REPEATEDLY and you need to stop, because it is hurting linux. |
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| 22:11.09 | kyle__ | rorschachrev: I'm glad you found the right place to voice your concerns. Good thing linus & all the debian devlopers monitor this channel constantly. |
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| 22:11.46 | jpowermacg5 | get ArchLinux then rorschachrev |
| 22:11.48 | martin-_- | hi |
| 22:11.49 | rorschachrev | #1 recovery boot mode required full install before being able to write grub. full install failed, previous debian version deleted, grub attempted to install, grub extraction failed, master boot record deleted completely "No Operating System detected" error |
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| 22:12.15 | themill | dpkg: tell rorschachrev about reportbug |
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| 22:12.25 | themill | bug reports do not go to #debian |
| 22:12.32 | martin-_- | i'm building a lib with ./configure && make but I want to "pause" the make progress and continue morning |
| 22:12.34 | rorschachrev | #2 My wifi drivers were detected, and then excluded from installation based on license. This punishes users for hardware purchases and choices by people out of their control. |
| 22:12.36 | martin-_- | is this possible ? |
| 22:12.47 | jpowermacg5 | control^c |
| 22:12.52 | jpowermacg5 | it'll resume next time |
| 22:13.12 | Brigo | martin-_-: control+z |
| 22:13.13 | martin-_- | sure? didnt have i to make clean and rebuild it |
| 22:13.20 | martin-_- | because the lib is broken? |
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| 22:13.27 | kyle__ | martin-_-: You can do some tricks with tee, so it's logged, and you can pause the logs and scroll through them, without stopping the build. |
| 22:13.27 | rorschachrev | #3 NTFS writes were blocked at the driver level. The mount options had tons of weird options. Doing a manual mount command = no write access. I have been blocked from my data. |
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| 22:13.44 | martin-_- | ok thanks |
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| 22:14.07 | kyle__ | Do we have a bot? |
| 22:14.19 | kyle__ | dpkg: tell rorschachrev about whining |
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| 22:17.41 | kyle__ | I don't suppose anyone here is playing with wayland in jessie? I'm not finding that much on running it. |
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| 22:17.42 | jhutchins_wk | rorschachrev: #1 - Debian did not prevent you from making a backup before you messed with the system. #2 You can fix that, if you're experienced as you say you should know how. #3 Very well known precaution with very easy fix, also well known. |
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| 22:18.27 | jhutchins_wk | rorschachrev: If, on the other hand, you do NOT already know everything and would like some help, this is a good place to ask questions. |
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| 22:19.26 | abrotman | kyle__: /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 22:19.36 | jhutchins_wk | rorschachrev: Oh, and by the way, we are mostly fellow users, posting here does not effectively communicate with Debian decision makers. |
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| 22:20.13 | abrotman | Was he pointed at the firmware-netinst? |
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| 22:20.55 | kyle__ | abrotman: I only have a nice big xml file there :/ |
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| 22:21.56 | kyle__ | coughs, what dumb@ss was only looking in wayland not weston for docs |
| 22:21.57 | kyle__ | Nevermind. |
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| 22:32.44 | luichi | hello |
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| 22:33.22 | luichi | my virtualbox in debian testing xfce doesn't detect wifi usb what im doing wrong (when i was in gnome it worked) |
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| 22:42.09 | mo1991 | if I connect to a VPN, this will make it so that all connections incoming and outgoing will go through the VPN correct? Or is there a way to still have services such as sshd and apache be available at the normal ip of my computer? |
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| 22:42.24 | mo1991 | I've not done VPN before |
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| 22:45.48 | jordanm | mo1991: depends on the configuration |
| 22:46.10 | jhutchins_wk | mo1991: The VPN can become the default route, or can be the route only for the remote network. |
| 22:46.25 | jordanm | mo1991: you can't change it on a port/service basis but on route basis |
| 22:46.32 | jhutchins_wk | mo1991: Some Windows VPNs force the default route for security reasons. |
| 22:46.35 | luichi | i have debian testing xfce and when i close my laptop it doesn't suspend. why? |
| 22:46.46 | luichi | i have pm-utils installed |
| 22:46.58 | abrotman | do oyu need acpi things/ |
| 22:46.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:47.07 | jordanm | you would also need the xcfe4-power-manager or w/e it's called |
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| 22:50.37 | luichi | Jordanm, theres no program called like this |
| 22:50.45 | luichi | abrotman, are you asking me? |
| 22:50.55 | luichi | abrotman, i dont know what is acpi |
| 22:51.00 | jordanm | ,versions xcfe4-power-manager |
| 22:51.01 | judd | No package named 'xcfe4-power-manager' was found in i386. |
| 22:51.20 | tomatosalad | is it possible to resize my ext4 root partition? I want to add another linux install to my setup (currently debian and OSX) and I don't want to have to resize OSX |
| 22:51.24 | jordanm | ,versions xfce4-power-manager |
| 22:51.25 | judd | Package: xfce4-power-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.5-2; wheezy: 1.0.11-2+b1; jessie: 1.2.0-2; sid: 1.2.0-2 |
| 22:51.45 | jordanm | luichi: there is when you spell xfce correctly |
| 22:52.03 | jordanm | tomatosalad: are you using LVM? |
| 22:52.07 | tomatosalad | I am not |
| 22:52.08 | tomatosalad | sadly |
| 22:52.10 | tomatosalad | winces |
| 22:52.15 | luichi | JordanJ2, upss ok i find it know |
| 22:52.34 | jordanm | tomatosalad: it's still possible to shrink, but there is no guarentee that there won't be data loss |
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| 22:52.48 | jordanm | tomatosalad: see: parted and e2resize |
| 22:52.54 | tomatosalad | yeah, I was looking at that |
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| 22:53.06 | jordanm | it will have to be done from a livecd since you can't do online resizes of msdos partitions |
| 22:53.20 | tomatosalad | annoying, too, because OSX can resize its own HFS+ partition very nicely >_> |
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| 22:53.44 | luichi | it is suposed to suspend my pc now? |
| 22:53.59 | jordanm | maybe? |
| 22:54.00 | luichi | or i have to do something more? (because i tried and it doesn't work) |
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| 22:54.48 | luichi | i find it in menu aplications |
| 22:54.52 | luichi | it was no executed |
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| 22:55.15 | luichi | *i found it |
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| 22:57.06 | luichi | ok now works well :) |
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| 23:01.56 | tomatosalad | hey, anybody here ever install debian on a mac with GPT? |
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| 23:07.55 | rryoumaa | a new package related to 0ad is in backports as of today. however, installing it is impossible in wheezy. i was hoping it would get 0ad to work. |
| 23:08.58 | rryoumaa | it conflicts with 0ad in wheezy and there is no 0ad in backports |
| 23:09.15 | rryoumaa | is this a bug or is there some way in which an uninstallable package in backports makes sense? |
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| 23:11.20 | GJdan | Do I understand correctly that one doesn't usually run snort from the same machine that you use for a server? |
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| 23:12.46 | petn-randall | GJdan: If you can set it up to run on a seperate machine, it does have benefits. |
| 23:13.17 | petn-randall | GJdan: It usually runs on your dedicated firewall machine, if you run one. |
| 23:13.27 | GJdan | ah I see |
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| 23:14.23 | GJdan | otherwise what is it able to do/not able to do if run from the server behind the firewall (which isn't under my control) |
| 23:15.13 | mo1991 | rryoumaa - does 0ad not work in wheezy? or you just are looking for an update version?" |
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| 23:15.45 | GJdan | I mean the firewall isn't under my control |
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| 23:17.24 | wdonkey | hello folks, i've got a little problem. |
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| 23:19.01 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 23:19.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:19.23 | riceandbeans | I don't want to start a flame war or anything, just out of curiosity, why did Debian choose Exim as the default MTA? |
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| 23:19.41 | wdonkey | i started quite a lot of file transfer between devices (via nautilus) and left for the afternoon, when i came back, those transfers had stopped midway because there was no more space remaining, i can't unmount any of the two devices and cant shut the computer down, tried sudo shutdown -h -r now and it wont work. |
| 23:19.47 | wdonkey | i dont want to break anything |
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| 23:20.22 | riceandbeans | what happened when you tried to shutdown? |
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| 23:20.42 | wdonkey | says "the system is going down for Reboot Now!" |
| 23:20.50 | wdonkey | then it didnt move |
| 23:20.56 | wdonkey | was able to return to my session |
| 23:21.00 | riceandbeans | try sudo init 6 |
| 23:21.00 | wdonkey | and here i am |
| 23:21.15 | wdonkey | ok |
| 23:21.18 | wdonkey | brb |
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| 23:39.53 | jenia | i have a beagle bone connected to my computer through usb. i need to ssh to it |
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| 23:40.07 | jenia | does anyone know of a nice tutorial to achiev that? |
| 23:40.12 | calcifea | where i can download the default /etc/ssh/sshd_config of debian? |
| 23:40.23 | calcifea | there is not in openssh-server de |
| 23:40.25 | calcifea | b |
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| 23:40.54 | riceandbeans | what is a beagle bone? |
| 23:41.23 | riceandbeans | calcifea: what are you talking about? opensss-server has that file |
| 23:41.31 | calcifea | ... |
| 23:41.50 | calcifea | are you sure? |
| 23:42.00 | calcifea | i extracted the deb |
| 23:42.06 | calcifea | plus |
| 23:42.08 | calcifea | http://packages.debian.org/it/wheezy/i386/openssh-server/filelist |
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| 23:43.43 | rryoumaa | mo1991: 0ad does not work in wheezy. it comes up with a blank black screen with a pointer and nothing happens. |
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| 23:44.29 | Brigo | calcifea: /etc/ssh/ssh_config in openssh-client |
| 23:44.34 | Brigo | calcifea: is a dep |
| 23:44.38 | calcifea | i need sshd |
| 23:44.39 | rryoumaa | mo1991: so i thought maybe a change in backports would fix it |
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| 23:44.40 | calcifea | not ssh |
| 23:44.49 | calcifea | well ok i have a new question |
| 23:45.01 | calcifea | does sshd on debian wheezy by default allow root login or not? |
| 23:45.04 | calcifea | this is what i was searching this file |
| 23:45.07 | calcifea | why |
| 23:45.20 | riceandbeans | calcifea: if you install openssh-server, it will install sshd_config |
| 23:45.31 | riceandbeans | I almost always do bare minimal installs and build off that |
| 23:45.35 | calcifea | i don't have debian wheezy atm |
| 23:45.38 | CissWit | calcifea: by default, yes it does |
| 23:45.43 | calcifea | CissWit: thanks |
| 23:45.44 | riceandbeans | and I can tell you it will install /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 23:47.31 | timofonic | Hello |
| 23:47.32 | CissWit | calcifea: but just check by yourself your sshd_config, and if you want to make sure it does or doesn't allow root login, just change "PermitRootLogin" to Yes or No depending on what fit your needs |
| 23:48.03 | calcifea | CissWit: no, i just need to know if it's explicit set to yes. like in squeeze |
| 23:48.26 | timofonic | I want to install Debian on my gf's laptop, it's an UEFI bios and I can disable Secure Boot. I managed to install Chakra Linux on it, but I'm not satisfied with the result and I would like to try Debian and install KDE... |
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| 23:48.38 | timofonic | Are there an easy way to install Debian on an UEFI system? |
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| 23:49.09 | calcifea | CissWit: nvm, man says that by default is yes anyway |
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| 23:51.10 | riceandbeans | timofonic: when you install, i suggest you do a minimal install, then from a minimal install, boot in, and install kde that way, you'll pull in a lot fewer packages and have a cleaner system |
| 23:51.20 | riceandbeans | the debian installer if you put desktop installs gnome3 only |
| 23:51.25 | riceandbeans | no one wants gnome3 |
| 23:51.36 | riceandbeans | gnome3 developers don't want gnome3 |
| 23:51.48 | riceandbeans | uefi I don't know |
| 23:51.54 | riceandbeans | never had to worry about that |
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| 23:52.17 | jenia | i cant mount the ttyUSB0 for some reason |
| 23:52.27 | jenia | did anyone encounter this? |
| 23:52.29 | bluesm | in this example Prior is the name of the behaviour the key is assigned to at the moment, the number keycode is the internal id to recognize the key. Now do this with another key i.e. PgDown give this output |
| 23:52.41 | bluesm | what is "interval id" ? |
| 23:53.08 | timofonic | riceandbeans: I need to worry about, as the system doesn't boot :/ |
| 23:53.08 | bluesm | http://askubuntu.com/questions/24916/how-do-i-remap-certain-keys |
| 23:53.38 | timofonic | riceandbeans: I don't like Gnome 3, my gf too. She also dislikes Windows 8 too, similar mess (even worse) |
| 23:53.48 | riceandbeans | timofonic: I understand that, I kust can't speak on that |
| 23:54.02 | riceandbeans | timofonic: I use openbox by itself, I barely touch my mouse |
| 23:54.23 | paveman | wtf... in which way you are trying to mount /dev/ttyUSB0? |
| 23:54.34 | timofonic | riceandbeans: No problem, let's see if other can help me on it. I got crazy at trying to make GPT partitions on Chakra, both applications failed somehow and I was unable to boot from grub2 :P |
| 23:54.34 | riceandbeans | my two gripes with KDE is memory consumption and forced local MySQL server due to nepomuk |
| 23:55.04 | riceandbeans | if you have 4GB+ with RAM you should be ok |
| 23:55.10 | timofonic | riceandbeans: Well, I want KDE for people bad at computers. I found it a lot better than Gnome |
| 23:55.17 | timofonic | riceandbeans: That laptop has 4gb ram |
| 23:55.23 | riceandbeans | but intermittently, nepomuk will lock the IO |
| 23:55.29 | riceandbeans | you MIGHT want to disable it |
| 23:55.33 | riceandbeans | up to you |
| 23:55.52 | riceandbeans | it basically does something similar to mlocate |
| 23:55.58 | riceandbeans | but manages to chew more disk |
| 23:55.59 | timofonic | riceandbeans: She's smart but has issues at understanding computers, and she had issues with viruses and misconfigurations on Windows. She's happier at Linux |
| 23:56.07 | riceandbeans | sure |
| 23:56.16 | timofonic | riceandbeans: I see |
| 23:56.32 | riceandbeans | so yeah, if you go KDE, keep an eye on nepomuk |
| 23:56.44 | riceandbeans | if you don't use it, yank out the MySQL server it FORCES you to install |
| 23:56.57 | bluesm | ? |
| 23:57.11 | timofonic | riceandbeans: I'm not sure if lxde or xfce could be enough friendly for someone bad at computers and used to the classic desktop metaphor. What do you think? |
| 23:57.14 | riceandbeans | I've been diehard debian since 3.0, but I'm jumping ship when they swap to systemd |
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| 23:57.27 | riceandbeans | I would say avoid LXDE |
| 23:57.33 | timofonic | riceandbeans: What's wrong with systemd? I see it less messy and easier to manage |
| 23:57.49 | riceandbeans | it's lightweight, but not mature, and still in heavy development, rough around the edges, less stable |
| 23:57.54 | riceandbeans | and the project is going away |
| 23:57.59 | timofonic | riceandbeans: I see |
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| 23:58.01 | riceandbeans | it's merging with RazorQT |
| 23:58.10 | riceandbeans | they're leaving GTK because of GTK3 |
| 23:58.14 | riceandbeans | moving to QT |
| 23:58.20 | timofonic | riceandbeans: Is GTK3 so bad? |
| 23:58.36 | riceandbeans | it has its issues they're still ironing out the kinks in |
| 23:58.51 | timofonic | damn |
| 23:59.03 | riceandbeans | XFCE can be user friendly, I think it takes a LITTLE tweaking out of the box if someone is that used to windows |
| 23:59.23 | riceandbeans | but I used to be really big on XFCE for the longest |
| 23:59.28 | riceandbeans | then I moved to openbox |
| 23:59.31 | riceandbeans | never really looked back |
| 23:59.33 | timofonic | riceandbeans: Is enough friendly with stuff like bluetooth, wifi and such? |
| 23:59.44 | riceandbeans | yeah |
| 23:59.48 | timofonic | okay |
| 23:59.56 | riceandbeans | you'll need to install the goodies package I think |
