| 00:00.08 | ddeeff | Where are $GLOBAL_VARIABLES in bash stored? I need to find out the value of one of them, but the system isn't (and can't be) running |
| 00:01.15 | shambat | trying to live-run debian desktop from a live usb, but the only thing that doesnt give me a black screen is by running the fallback option. what is the fallback option and how do I install debian to use the fallback option as default? |
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| 00:07.45 | byte-smasher_ | so, if I'm using munin to monitor stuff on my server.... and it needs access to the nginx log file, which gets archived every day and recreated.... both of which run as different users.... how to I give munin permenant access to the log file? |
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| 00:09.35 | shambat | oh sorry ... its called failsafe mode |
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| 00:14.17 | marcidy | byte-smasher_: modify the /etc/logrotate.d entry |
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| 00:18.20 | Gregor2 | anyone knows how to unpack bin files? |
| 00:18.26 | marcidy | shambat: do any other distro's work on your machine? perhaps try ubuntu live or something. |
| 00:18.38 | cusco | unpack bin files |
| 00:18.57 | Gregor2 | yes extrackting bin files! |
| 00:19.02 | Gregor2 | Its a cd image! |
| 00:19.03 | cusco | has a funny conotation to it |
| 00:19.08 | cusco | try vi |
| 00:19.09 | cusco | lol |
| 00:20.25 | marcidy | gregor2: do you have a cue image as well? |
| 00:20.32 | Gregor2 | no |
| 00:20.47 | Gregor2 | a .nfo file! |
| 00:20.57 | marcidy | heh, useless text file. |
| 00:21.06 | marcidy | Gregor2: trying mounting it on loopback device |
| 00:21.16 | Gregor2 | how goes that |
| 00:21.17 | marcidy | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/97586-mount-cue-bin-image.html |
| 00:21.19 | bbtech_ | Is it possible to get amazon prime video's working on wheezy? |
| 00:21.28 | marcidy | well, specifically: http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/how-to-mount-an-iso-image-in-linux.483/ |
| 00:21.32 | cusco | ahh sorry its a cd image |
| 00:21.40 | cusco | mount -o loop file.bin /mnt |
| 00:21.42 | cusco | I guess |
| 00:21.58 | marcidy | cusco: vi would totally work too, just need to convert manually...:) |
| 00:22.15 | shambat | marcidy: not really ... I started by trying to set up gentoo, but I couldnt get X to start casuse of driver issues, so I tried a lot of distros, but the only thing that has worked so far is all the debians using the failsafe option --- perhaps it bypasses some of the graphics stuff or? |
| 00:22.29 | marcidy | yeah, probably |
| 00:22.35 | CissWit | w |
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| 00:22.56 | marcidy | shambat: your prob is def video drivers. It's not clear if any are available other than what is probably a very low level access. New video card? Weird laptop? |
| 00:23.39 | marcidy | bbtech_: did you try under wine? I have not, but i saw instructinos to get netflix working under wine. I never got it to work personally, and gave up after a few days |
| 00:23.39 | shambat | its like a 5-6 year old laptop with an nvidia 8600 GS in it |
| 00:24.02 | marcidy | shambat: That shouldn't be a problem. Make and model? |
| 00:24.41 | shambat | the laptop is an asus....something :) |
| 00:24.50 | bbtech_ | marcidy, I don't use wine. I don't like the security model. I could try virtual box though. |
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| 00:25.02 | marcidy | bbtech_ even better |
| 00:25.11 | bbtech_ | marcidy, for me the video starts to play and after about 5 seconds it says I need to update flash. |
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| 00:25.30 | bbtech_ | marcidy, so, I think it has something to do with the drm but haven't figured it out yet |
| 00:25.44 | marcidy | bbtech_: yeah i mean, i haven't tried. I'm under the impression the providers don't like linux too much..yeah, because of DRM crap |
| 00:26.18 | Gregor2 | there only comes a discription! |
| 00:26.23 | Gregor2 | Usage: |
| 00:27.17 | marcidy | shambat_: You could google support for that nvidia card in the free nvidia driver, and google support for you laptop make and model in linux. i'ms ure if you look around your laptop you'll find model information. |
| 00:27.28 | marcidy | Gregor2: paste the command you are running pls? |
| 00:27.59 | marcidy | Gregor2: it would be mount /path/to/file.bin -o loop /mnt/some/mount/directory/that/exists/and/is/empty |
| 00:28.01 | shambat | marcidy: I'm almost positive the card is supported |
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| 00:28.19 | marcidy | shambat: I would think so as well, but it seems there isn't much experimental evidence for it right now |
| 00:28.20 | shambat | both by nouveau and nvidia proprietary |
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| 00:28.34 | shambat | true |
| 00:28.34 | Gregor2 | i typed |
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| 00:29.04 | Gregor2 | mount -o loop /path/to/file.bin /some/mont/directory |
| 00:29.06 | marcidy | can you get into debian and do an lsmod |
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| 00:30.46 | shambat | marcidy: nouveau is loaded if I go to recovery mode |
| 00:30.51 | marcidy | Gregor2: try this: https://extremefx.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/how-to-convert-bin-to-iso-image-whithout-having-cue-file-in-linux/ |
| 00:31.17 | Gregor2 | you must specify the Filesystem type! |
| 00:31.24 | Gregor2 | it writes! |
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| 00:32.05 | Bronze | My system is using a set of DVD's as its repo. Is there a way I can set it to use a repo on the net? |
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| 00:33.58 | marcidy | shambar: some anecdotal evidence agains the 8600 series: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170801 Poke around more and see if anyone else has issue or got it to work. That's all I can say i think. |
| 00:34.50 | marcidy | Bronze: you just need to update /etc/apt/apt.sources to be http:// blah instead of whatever it is now |
| 00:35.17 | shambat | marcidy: yeah I also found a gentoo post where the guy had done every possible thing and it still wouldnt load |
| 00:35.20 | shambat | for my card |
| 00:35.55 | shambat | but do you know how I take the options from the live cd failsafe and move it to my real kernel that I installed? |
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| 00:38.32 | marcidy | shambat: I'm not sure how the live CD options work. i dont think you can just add that option to grub, but some you can. |
| 00:39.27 | shambat | marcidy: the boot option says: .linux /live/vmlinuz2 boot=live config memtest noapic noapm nodma nomce nolapic nomodeset nosmp nosplash vga=normal initrd=/live/initrd2.img |
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| 00:39.58 | shambat | one of these may fix it: noapic noapm nodma nomce nolapic nomodeset nosmp nosplash |
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| 00:40.05 | marcidy | shambat: oh, awesome, just create an entry in grub that does that. |
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| 00:40.54 | marcidy | Gregor2: did you try converting bin to iso? |
| 00:41.02 | shambat | I'm not too grub familiar :) not sure how I include those options |
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| 00:42.48 | shambat | marcidy: do I just add those options like that into the grub config? |
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| 00:43.54 | marcidy | shambat: hm. One sec. apparently grub changed since I last did any edits (years ago) and now i have no idea what's going on. It used to be very straight forward, i assume it still is if I find the right file |
| 00:44.19 | blubberdiblub | shambat, edit /etc/default/grub and then do "update-grub" |
| 00:44.48 | shambat | I'm just gonna try it straight from the oot menu first |
| 00:45.09 | shambat | I'm just going to add them after the "quiet" option |
| 00:45.25 | blubberdiblub | shambat, that's a good idea. just press e, edit the relevant line and then Ctrl-X to boot the edited config |
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| 00:46.24 | blubberdiblub | shambat, Ctrl-X within the editing screen, that is. don't exit out of the edit screen with esc, since that will throw away your edit |
| 00:48.26 | shambat | ok, so that totally worked. kde is loading up and everything seems to work ... but which one of those options is what I prolly need to keep there ... last I checked the most likely fix has to do with the bios |
| 00:48.54 | shambat | which one of those options has to do with that? noapic maybe? |
| 00:49.49 | marcidy | shambat: vga=normal would be my first guess. but try removing them until it stops working :D. definitely look up what the options mean though |
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| 00:50.11 | shambat | this talks about noacpi and noapic ---> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.44/README/commonproblems.html |
| 00:50.49 | FreezingCold | How can I manually install wpa_supplicant v2.0? |
| 00:50.53 | marcidy | shambat: oh nice, that looks convincing. |
| 00:51.23 | nodiscc | hi everyone, how do I use the same SSL certificate with apache2 and dovecot? |
| 00:52.01 | blubberdiblub | nodiscc, put your ssl keyfile and cert somewhere and edit both services' config files accordingly to point to the same file |
| 00:52.05 | marcidy | FreezingCold: manually as in from source? |
| 00:52.05 | nodiscc | i copied the cert from apache2 (pem file) to /etc/dovecot/dovecot.pem: |
| 00:52.29 | shambat | marcidy: let me try those two |
| 00:52.42 | FreezingCold | marcidy: yep, or if someone already made a armhf package of it that'd be even better |
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| 00:52.59 | nodiscc | it seems to load the certificate but /etc/init.d/dovecot start fails with "Starting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecotdoveconf: Fatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf line 13: ssl_key: Can't open file /etc/dovecot/private/dovecot.pem: No such file or directory" |
| 00:53.11 | marcidy | FreezingCold: i haven't done it, but does the normal ./configure make make install not work? |
| 00:53.12 | nodiscc | whats supposed to be in that file? |
| 00:53.41 | mumpitzel | the private key |
| 00:53.47 | mumpitzel | to make ssl access work |
| 00:54.05 | nodiscc | should I cut out the PRIVATE KEY part from the original apache pem file and paste it there? |
| 00:54.13 | blubberdiblub | nodiscc, usually you have 2 files. the certificate and the key. the one in private is supposed to be the key file |
| 00:54.33 | FreezingCold | marcidy: well I'm just wondering if I need to uninstall things before |
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| 00:54.48 | nodiscc | blubberdiblub: my .pem file has 2 sections: -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- and -----BEGIN PRIVATE KEY----- |
| 00:54.48 | Lorcatar | Hi how do I run scheme programs ;_ |
| 00:54.50 | Lorcatar | ;) |
| 00:54.58 | marcidy | FreezingCold. ah, no idea, sorry :) |
| 00:55.01 | nodiscc | in the same file. is it supposed to be split? |
| 00:55.19 | blubberdiblub | nodiscc, split the 2 sections up, put one into /etc/dovecot/dovecot.pem and the other (key) into /etc/dovecot/private/dovecot.pem |
| 00:55.30 | nodiscc | blubberdiblub: yes good guess, trying |
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| 00:56.37 | nodiscc | blubberdiblub: [ ok ] Starting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecot. :) |
| 00:56.48 | mumpitzel | Lorcatar: with a scheme interpreter |
| 00:56.52 | nodiscc | thanks |
| 00:57.00 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
| 00:58.59 | Bronze | marcidy: thanks! |
| 00:59.18 | marcidy | Bronze: yw |
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| 01:00.07 | blubberdiblub | nodiscc, some services want 2 separate files, some services need them as one combined file, and some can eat both variants (apache, for instance, can be fed with either combined or split variant) |
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| 01:10.39 | shambat | marcidy: so if I just add "nomodeset" it works.... |
| 01:11.17 | blubberdiblub | shambat, sounds reasonable |
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| 01:12.35 | marcidy | shambat: great, glad it works |
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| 01:14.17 | shambat | hm, so that option basically means that its using the vesa driver? |
| 01:15.15 | Sakinim | hi |
| 01:15.55 | marcidy | shambat: apparently it's for using the vesa and nouveax driver together: "If you want to use the vesa Xorg driver, and you have hardware that uses the Intel, Nouveau, or Radeon kernel modules, you may need to boot with nomodeset, " |
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| 01:16.15 | shambat | interesting |
| 01:16.35 | shambat | so maybe now I should go back and try the gentoo install again :) |
| 01:16.54 | marcidy | shambat: but you already have the best distro working ? ;) should work the same there |
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| 01:17.44 | shambat | marcidy: sure :) |
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| 01:22.25 | shambat | thanks for your help marcidy blubberdiblub |
| 01:22.55 | marcidy | shambat: yw, glad it worked |
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| 01:32.51 | shagelit1 | Greetings ! |
| 01:33.03 | shagelit1 | First attempt to run debian here, |
| 01:33.21 | shagelit1 | get troubles with the Grub |
| 01:34.07 | shagelit1 | so i would like to reinstall it. But not really sure of what ill have to choose, like where to install it. So i tryed a su fdisk -l |
| 01:35.23 | shagelit1 | turns out its EFI installed (Gpt). Kindly notcied me that i should use Gnu parted |
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| 01:36.06 | shagelit1 | SO tryed to install it, but looks like it same as Gparted. |
| 01:36.28 | marcidy | shagelit1: just curious, why did you go into disk partitioning? |
| 01:36.44 | marcidy | shagelit1: are you trying to reinstall grub or debian? |
| 01:36.54 | shagelit1 | grub ! |
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| 01:37.26 | shagelit1 | im almost over : so i typed in root "gparted" |
| 01:37.44 | shagelit1 | nothin happend. So i told myself that its maybe not installed on my machine |
| 01:37.57 | shagelit1 | quick check with a apt-get search gparted |
| 01:38.00 | marcidy | shagelit1: i dont think you need to be in gparted to reinstall grub |
| 01:38.12 | shagelit1 | sure |
| 01:38.49 | shagelit1 | i juste wanted to get a sure vision of my partions, as im trying to leave Windows, but no toatlly sure of the success of the operation. Soooo... That's a Dual boot |
| 01:38.50 | marcidy | shagelit1: what kind of problems are you having? |
| 01:39.04 | marcidy | shagelit1: ahh, ok, that makes some sense. |
| 01:39.08 | shagelit1 | :) |
| 01:39.31 | marcidy | shagelit1: you can also look at what /dev/sd* and /dev/hd* you have, and try mounting them. |
| 01:40.29 | marcidy | shagelit1: do you have the two os' on separate drives or separate partition on the same drive? |
| 01:41.11 | shagelit1 | well thanks for the advice. But on my right i have a full procedure of how to proceed. Including reinstalling the grub correctly. Im up to mount whatever you want me to mount, if you up to assist me in that what looks to me like a big journey |
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| 01:41.37 | shagelit1 | well as soon i can remember, i have a "OS" for W8 |
| 01:42.17 | marcidy | shagelit1: what specifically? |
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| 01:42.27 | shagelit1 | second HD is A)some datas (mp3 etc) B) Debian |
| 01:42.40 | shagelit1 | sry i try to communicate with my best english |
| 01:42.58 | marcidy | shagelit: no worries. Can you show me the output from `find /dev/dist/by-label/` ? |
| 01:43.07 | shagelit1 | sure ! brb ! |
| 01:43.15 | marcidy | sory it's `dev/disk/by-label/` |
| 01:43.26 | marcidy | not dist |
| 01:43.39 | shagelit1 | rgr |
| 01:45.20 | shagelit1 | marcidy: ok here we go '/dev/disk/by-label/ |
| 01:45.20 | shagelit1 | /dev/disk/by-label/ISOIMAGE |
| 01:45.20 | shagelit1 | /dev/disk/by-label/OS |
| 01:45.20 | shagelit1 | /dev/disk/by-label/MEDIAS |
| 01:45.20 | shagelit1 | /dev/disk/by-label/SYSTEM |
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| 01:45.48 | marcidy | heh heh, yah, becareful of multiline pastes |
| 01:46.01 | shagelit1 | lol i will |
| 01:46.36 | shagelit1 | did u get the full list ? |
| 01:46.44 | shagelit1 | last is Recovery |
| 01:46.46 | dvs | shagelit1: probably not |
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| 01:47.04 | dvs | !tell shagelit1 about pastbin |
| 01:47.06 | marcidy | shagelit1: ah, ok. Try pastebin.com, should be ok. |
| 01:47.15 | shagelit1 | sure ! |
| 01:48.02 | marcidy | shagelit1: anyways, i of crouse told you the wrong thing, i meant `ls -lR /dev/disk/by-label`. can you execute that and paste it on pastebin ? |
| 01:48.25 | shagelit1 | tryin right now |
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| 01:50.18 | cmnky | anyone know of a package/app in debians repos, that i can use to spawn apps, and resize their windows, so they show up in the same spot everytime a user starts an X session ? |
| 01:50.20 | shagelit1 | marcidy: Here you go ! http://pastebin.com/gRgF6td6 |
| 01:50.50 | cmnky | or do i just write a script to make it happen ? |
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| 01:51.01 | marcidy | ok, that's telling you what to mount to look at each volue. e.g. to mount DATAS, you would do mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt |
| 01:51.27 | shagelit1 | I see.. |
| 01:51.36 | marcidy | shagelit1: hopefulyl one corresponds to your windows install? |
| 01:51.44 | shagelit1 | thats.. awesome. |
| 01:52.23 | shagelit1 | I would say Os |
| 01:52.54 | unfluffy | hey yall. from computer A i ssh'd into computer B, then from the terminal to B, i ssh'd into computer C the link between A nd B dropped, but B and C didnt. i can see the ssh process still running on computer B. is there a way to regain control of this session? |
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| 01:53.49 | unfluffy | wasnt runnign screen :- |
| 01:54.03 | marcidy | unfluffy: that would be a pretty big security issue in ssh if possible! |
| 01:54.21 | marcidy | unfluffy i dont think so, never heard of it |
| 01:54.46 | marcidy | shagelit1: ok, at this stage, im not exactly sure what else you need |
| 01:54.55 | unfluffy | yeah, i figured i was hoping against hope. but i figured id ask people with more experience anyways |
| 01:55.10 | marcidy | fluffy: im hardly the last word on it |
| 01:55.31 | shagelit1 | marcidy: do you have 5mn ? i need to do something. If you don't have that time, i'm going to tell you so right now |
| 01:56.03 | marcidy | shagelit1: yeah, no worries, ill be around for about 30 more mins |
| 01:56.15 | shagelit1 | awesome ! brb ! |
| 01:56.36 | dvs | marcidy: run away now! ;-P |
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| 01:57.00 | marcidy | dvs: I couldn't call my self support if I didn't go take a lunch break right now |
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| 02:03.47 | marcidy | 5 mins means so many things to so many people, yet it has such a precise definition.... |
| 02:03.54 | mo1991 | how do I clear the commands that I have run from the command prompt memory? |
| 02:04.15 | mo1991 | aka so that the up button doesn't show the commands I have just run? |
| 02:04.35 | marcidy | mo1991: vi .bash_history and delete with impunity |
| 02:05.17 | mo1991 | marcidy - what does delete with impunity mean? |
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| 02:05.40 | marcidy | mo1991: hehe, with insult. it's a joke, like delete it with a bad atttitude |
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| 02:06.12 | mo1991 | :) got it. Thx |
| 02:06.17 | marcidy | mo1991: np |
| 02:06.37 | dvs | tracks the keyboard strokes |
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| 02:09.45 | vin_yl | the open folder dialogue in transmission invokes vlc rather than the file manager, any tips ? yhanks |
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| 02:11.03 | marcidy | vin_yl: file associations but i forget where they are defined. |
| 02:11.20 | marcidy | vin_yl: oh wait, fold, sorry, iim not sure |
| 02:11.24 | shagelito | marcidy: back ! my debian crashed btw... freeze till death |
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| 02:11.36 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry to hear that. |
| 02:12.12 | vin_yl | thanks for the attempt any how narcidy.....hehe |
| 02:12.25 | shagelito | marcidy: somehow i think it worth the pain to digg more into debian |
| 02:12.29 | vin_yl | marcidy....skwuse |
| 02:13.19 | marcidy | vin_yl: hwhw, nw. might still be file associations somewhere, but it would be transmission, not debian |
| 02:13.32 | ddeeff | Is there a way to use aptitude on a non-live debian environment? |
| 02:13.37 | marcidy | shagelito: i think so. |
| 02:13.52 | marcidy | ddeeff: what do you mean by non-live? |
| 02:14.01 | ddeeff | I have the hard drive mounted, but I can't run it live because it's bricked |
| 02:14.02 | vin_yl | I went through the options in transmission |
| 02:14.33 | emss | ddeeff boot into rescue mode and setup the proper chroots |
| 02:15.07 | shagelito | marcidy: so what would be great, is to get back my grub on boot letting me choose to boot from debian or w8. When i rebooted after crash, i had to choose wich sys i would like to boot. no w8 boot but Vista oO ? i never installed it -_- |
| 02:15.22 | emss | chroot actually not chroots :) |
| 02:15.37 | shagelito | marcidy: (had to choose via booting woth grub2 |
| 02:15.37 | vin_yl | Puppy linux forces you to select the program to view folder that the torrents are in |
| 02:15.41 | shagelito | with* |
| 02:16.07 | marcidy | shagelito: try booting into vista and see if it gives you W8. grub might not know about windows 8 and picked Vista as label as next best thing |
| 02:16.13 | ddeeff | I may be in rescue mode, I'm not sure. My hosts offer "netboot" and the option they selected in that is "rescue-pro" |
| 02:16.17 | marcidy | shagelito: those are just labels and can be changed |
| 02:16.30 | shagelito | lol im glad to hear that |
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| 02:16.54 | marcidy | shagelito: and if it works, you're done! |
| 02:17.13 | marcidy | vin_yl: my advice would be to install vuze :) |
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| 02:17.37 | vin_yl | I have used transmission forever though |
| 02:17.41 | shagelito | marcidy: yep ! but no :) cause im only able to boot via grub 2. Grub need to be reinstalled or reconfigured. |
| 02:18.18 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry, what do you mean by grub 2? the option 2, which is your debian install? |
| 02:18.26 | shagelito | nop |
| 02:18.37 | shagelito | its a version of Grub ! |
| 02:18.49 | marcidy | shagelito: ha, ok, why not stick with grub 2 then? |
| 02:18.52 | shagelito | please appologize my noob lvl |
| 02:19.04 | shagelito | cause i boot it threw cd rom |
| 02:19.07 | marcidy | shagelito: it's fine, don't worry. I wanted to be sure we were speaking abot the same thing |
| 02:19.16 | shagelito | i appreciate that |
| 02:19.21 | marcidy | shagelito: Ah, ok, i see, and without the CD, you cannot boot? |
| 02:19.56 | shagelito | nop. holdon im looking for the exact prompt message. I googled it all night, it will be easy to find |
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| 02:22.39 | vin_yl | when I click open folder in the transmission right click dialogue box to open the directory that contains the downloaded file, vlc opens, any tips ? |
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| 02:23.34 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/LTz9XwvD |
| 02:23.52 | emss | ddeeff not sure if this will help but http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
| 02:24.38 | marcidy | shagelito: now i see |
| 02:24.41 | marcidy | shagelito ok |
| 02:24.43 | shagelito | i have the result of the "set" command if you need it |
| 02:25.27 | marcidy | shagelito that's why you were looking on fdisk, to find your mbr partition |
| 02:25.33 | shagelito | also i have a whole boot-info available |
| 02:25.52 | shagelito | well, i guess |
| 02:26.06 | shagelito | if the mbr is the place where i need to set the gurb up |
| 02:26.21 | marcidy | shagelito it's almost certainly /dev/sda |
| 02:26.28 | marcidy | since that's where your other OS was |
| 02:26.30 | marcidy | *is |
| 02:26.42 | shagelito | fdisk was the only command i knew for being able to check the whole things and also their denominations |
| 02:26.59 | marcidy | yeah, one sec |
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| 02:27.49 | shagelito | further info right here => http://paste.ubuntu.com/6419941/ |
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| 02:28.14 | marcidy | have you tried this: sudo apt-get install grub-efi |
| 02:28.37 | ddeeff | emss, thanks, I have already seen that, but a lot of its advice didn't seem to help, because I only have access via ssh (and the control panel my hosts provide) I can't enable that particular recovery mode |
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| 02:29.13 | shagelito | negatvie. But before tryin to mess again with the grub, i would like to be absolutly sure about the place it need to be instaled |
| 02:29.51 | ddeeff | At the moment I am going through a guide on how to use chroot, but I have how to "Be sure any kernel modules you need have been loaded." I can't gleam any search terms to google from that, can I be pointed in the right direction please? |
| 02:30.57 | shagelito | so could you confirm that installing it on /dev/sda will let me choose to boot wether debian or w8 ? |
| 02:31.12 | marcidy | shagelito: take a look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI |
| 02:31.39 | marcidy | shagelito: from sda1: we can see that windows is in EFI |
| 02:31.57 | shagelito | marcidy: well i dont have a shiny firmware panel control. I have the good ol' BIOS |
| 02:32.33 | shagelito | marcidy: am i still concerned about that link ? |
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| 02:34.14 | marcidy | shagelito: I think we need to know for certain what your hdd is doing. Can you check your boot config in your bios to be sure? |
| 02:35.01 | marcidy | shagelito: I agree with not doing anything until knowing for certain what needs to be done. I'm not sure at this stage if you need a grub reinstall, or you need these changes for EFI applied |
| 02:36.10 | shagelito | marcidy: so windows is installed in efi mode. What is the logical deductions ? |
| 02:36.28 | marcidy | shagelito: the entry for /dev/sda indicates that it is an efi partition, and that is what windows is using. If that is confirmed, then it seems that you need to apply the changes in the link I posted |
| 02:36.30 | ddeeff | My hosts are now talking to me in French, which I find amusing since my French is awful: "reboot du serveur sur rescue ok. ping up et ssh ouvert" |
| 02:36.48 | emss | :( |
| 02:37.02 | marcidy | first your paste has /EFI as /dev/sda1. Next, to confirm, I'd check the bios settins, which are mentioned in the link i sent |
| 02:37.14 | marcidy | ddeeff:; they've given up mate |
| 02:37.19 | shagelito | ddeeff: if you need translation, just shoot ! |
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| 02:37.55 | marcidy | shagelito: e.g. this is pretty incriminating: /dev/sda1 2,048 616,447 614,400 EFI System partition |
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| 02:38.25 | shagelito | yeah, even i can tell. |
| 02:38.29 | marcidy | :) |
| 02:38.40 | ddeeff | They don't do much support really, that's why they're cheap. All I'd need translating from it is "reboot du serveur sur un autre bzimage meme constat \n reboot du serveur sur disque dur arrive sur l'erreur " |
| 02:39.57 | ddeeff | which I almost understand. "Reboot the server on a (new?) bzimage same (dunno). reboot the server due to the presence of a disk error" |
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| 02:40.16 | marcidy | autre might be "other" |
| 02:40.16 | shagelito | lol thats not even frech |
| 02:40.41 | ddeeff | Is it not? |
| 02:41.00 | shagelito | yes it is but syntax is wrong |
| 02:41.09 | ddeeff | ah |
| 02:41.23 | shagelito | just like a non nativ guy would worte it |
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| 02:41.49 | ddeeff | I thought it odd that it came back in French at 3:41 in the morning Paris time |
| 02:43.57 | shagelito | Reboot the server on another bzimage same observation /n server reboot on hardisk |
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| 02:44.17 | FreezingCold | How do I change the deb_ver? Got the package unpaked |
| 02:44.19 | FreezingCold | *unpacked |
| 02:44.33 | shagelito | then MAYBE as you said due to a disk error |
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| 02:46.04 | shagelito | ddeeff: well my grub is no more, i really need to fix it. Cant sleep without it. |
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| 02:46.22 | shagelito | currently chekcing some facts about efi shits |
| 02:46.39 | shagelito | not that easy |
| 02:47.32 | ddeeff | I know roughly what the problem is. I used apt-get to try to install an upgraded version of glibc |
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| 02:48.06 | shagelito | whats glibc ? |
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| 02:48.43 | ddeeff | debian's c library. whatever that is. Sounds as if its used to run things written in C? |
| 02:48.47 | emss | ddeeff you are logged in through ssh? |
| 02:49.14 | ddeeff | to the rescue mode. I need to do the chroot thing atm |
| 02:49.31 | ddeeff | Installed these packages to try to upgrade it: libc6-amd64 libc6-dev libc6-dbg |
| 02:50.09 | shagelito | ... the chroot thing... thats sounds scaring. WTF is that |
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| 02:50.44 | PCL3D | why did Wheezy not include the gnome fallback packages? My vid card doesnt work under Nouveau.. |
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| 02:51.18 | PCL3D | BTW the live images DO include gnome fallback |
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| 02:53.23 | shagelito | marcidy: Hey dude you still here ? |
| 02:53.32 | marcidy | yeah |
| 02:53.54 | ddeeff | It sounds to me like it pretends that its running on the unbootable disk |
| 02:54.32 | shagelito | marcidy: sweet. By entering this command : "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in EFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode" " it turns out that my debian is installed in Legacy Mode. |
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| 02:54.52 | PCL3D | replying to me ddeeff? unbootable? |
| 02:55.07 | ddeeff | to shagelito, sorry |
| 02:55.08 | shagelito | marcidy: but is it normal ? wasnt all about efi ? |
| 02:56.06 | PCL3D | any replies to my question.. ? |
| 02:56.43 | marcidy | shagelito: I'm not really clear if you are technically on the HDD or the DVD since you had to boot from DVD. |
| 02:57.32 | shagelito | marcidy: i see. The dvd run a grub utiliy |
| 02:57.44 | marcidy | shagelito: right, so it's acting like your MBR |
| 02:57.47 | shagelito | marcidy: to let me boot on hd |
| 02:57.59 | shagelito | marcidy: i see. |
| 02:58.06 | marcidy | shagelito: are you able to confirm the boot mode in the bios? |
| 02:58.21 | marcidy | shagelito: I know that's a pain to reboot, but it will be the best evidence. |
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| 02:58.39 | shagelito | marcidy: lol yeah a bit like in the Gravity movie |
| 02:58.42 | FreezingCold | So I'm attempting to upgrade wpa_supplicant v1 to v2. I added wpa_2.0.orig.tar.gz, but I was wondering how to get the package to use that instead of the older wpa_1.0.orig.tar.gz |
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| 02:58.52 | shagelito | alone in the space |
| 02:59.08 | shagelito | anyway. What do you want me to check in my bios ! |
| 02:59.15 | marcidy | shagelito: ha, yeah. there's some screenshots in that link further down |
| 02:59.40 | marcidy | shagelito: /Boot/Bootmode is probably where you'll see it |
| 02:59.41 | PCL3D | lol.. another one.. wireless would not "up" for me from comand line |
| 03:00.03 | marcidy | FreezingCold: what do you mean by added exactly? |
| 03:00.03 | shagelito | marcidy: so far i can confirm that secure boot is disabled |
| 03:00.33 | shagelito | BUT im going to reboot just to be sure :) |
| 03:00.49 | PCL3D | if you remove dvd from the tray.. you can be reasonably sure the rest is HDD |
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| 03:01.07 | FreezingCold | marcidy: at this point, all I've done is copy wpa_2.0.orig.tar.gz to the dir where wpa_1.0.orig.tar.gz is |
| 03:01.08 | shagelito | i hope ill be able to boot again. If not, thanks for your help, very nice to see there is ppl willing to help any strangers ! |
| 03:01.10 | OES | Hello everyone! Sorry to interrupt the converstaion but I have a noob question. Which .ISO file should I download from the Debian website? I have a MSI FM2-A85XA-G65 motherboard with a AMD A8-5600K processor. I'm not sure which architecture(?) I have. Thanks for you help. |
| 03:01.11 | marcidy | shagelito: check out this sectino in that link: Converting Ubuntu into EFI mode |
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| 03:01.36 | marcidy | FreezingCold: ok. tar xvr wpa_2.0.... this will create a directory |
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| 03:01.51 | FreezingCold | marcidy: and where should I throw that directory? |
| 03:01.58 | shagelito | sure. But why do a such thing, if it worked without any problem before the grub error ? |
| 03:02.01 | kephra | moin - what besides linux-* and grub-* do I need to put on hold, if I want to prevent that debian updates something that requires a reboot? |
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| 03:02.12 | PCL3D | OES i would think AMD64 is best if you have 4+ gigs of ram |
| 03:02.24 | marcidy | FreezingCold: doesn't matter, this is just the source, so first you need to compile it. after compilition, you will do sudo make install which puts everything where it needs to go |
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| 03:02.48 | FreezingCold | marcidy: I wanted to use Debian's package manager though =/ |
| 03:02.51 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry, i thought your debian never worked? |
| 03:03.00 | marcidy | FreezingCold: then you need to make a .deb from the source |
| 03:03.21 | FreezingCold | marcidy: right.... hence the orig.tar.gz extension |
| 03:03.25 | marcidy | FreezingCold: for find one, or find an apt repository with that program |
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| 03:03.33 | marcidy | FreezingCold: /s/for/or/ |
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| 03:03.52 | FreezingCold | marcidy: again, I have already done that. Which is why I have wpa_1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 03:04.04 | FreezingCold | Why else would I name it that lol? |
| 03:04.21 | marcidy | FreezingCold: sorry, you have a .deb file? |
| 03:04.29 | shagelito | marcidy: well yes it worked before, as i said i messed with the grub parameters, and then, it was broke |
| 03:04.43 | marcidy | FreezingCold: then you dpkg -i <name>.deb as root. |
| 03:04.46 | shagelito | im very curious :/ |
| 03:05.03 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry, i thought you installed and it never worked |
| 03:05.14 | shagelito | negative, worked perfectly ! |
| 03:05.15 | marcidy | shagelito: did you install grub again? |
| 03:05.21 | shagelito | also, im curently using it |
| 03:05.26 | FreezingCold | marcidy: ugh, just read what I wrote at the beginning. I have the package for *VERSION 1.0*, and I'm trying to upgrade it to *VERSION 2.0* which there is currently no .deb of. |
| 03:05.28 | marcidy | shagelito: ie, maybe you had grub-efi, and it was overwrittenw tih grub? |
| 03:05.35 | shagelito | (and then i told u that it crashed) |
| 03:05.39 | marcidy | FreezingCold: then please read what I wrote again |
| 03:05.39 | FreezingCold | marcidy: So I have downloaded the source of v1.0 with apt-get |
| 03:05.50 | FreezingCold | marcidy: I don't want god damn version 1.0 |
| 03:05.53 | FreezingCold | I have said this like five times |
| 03:06.02 | FreezingCold | I want version 2.0, which I have the source of, but no .deb |
| 03:06.09 | FreezingCold | Not seeing why you're still confused |
| 03:06.16 | OES | PCL3D: I have 8gb of ram. I've tried installing the AMD64 version but ran into an error during the install. I'll give the install another try when I get home. Many thanks for the help. |
| 03:07.05 | marcidy | FreezingCold: I'm not the one with the problem, am I? if you want to use package management, you need a package. period. Either make one, or install the source. That's all. |
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| 03:07.53 | FreezingCold | marcidy: I am ASKING HOW TO MAKE THE PACKAGE |
| 03:08.09 | marcidy | FreezingCold: googler it, im done helping you, your attitude is shit |
| 03:08.10 | FreezingCold | Is that clear enough? |
| 03:08.13 | shagelito | marcidy: what do you mean by "overwritten tih grub" ? |
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| 03:08.27 | FreezingCold | marcidy: lol I doubt you even know what the fuck you're talking about |
| 03:08.29 | shagelito | FreezingCold: stfu |
| 03:08.32 | FreezingCold | thanks for wasting my time pretending |
| 03:08.38 | FreezingCold | shagelito: Wasn't even talking to you |
| 03:08.51 | shagelito | you are sending negative waves |
| 03:09.36 | FreezingCold | shagelito: /ignore FreezingCold |
| 03:09.41 | FreezingCold | Fixed! |
| 03:09.42 | FreezingCold | !next |
| 03:09.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 03:10.06 | shagelito | you come here to get some free quality help, then you act like a selfish dogshit |
| 03:10.06 | marcidy | I hope he gets his refund |
| 03:10.44 | marcidy | shagelito: so im confused on one part. Did you already try once to reinstall grub? |
| 03:10.45 | kephra | FreezingCold, a deb is just an ar containing two tar.gz files - unpack one, investigate how it looks like - build your own ... or follow the debian path |
| 03:10.48 | FreezingCold | shagelito: lol quality |
| 03:11.12 | FreezingCold | kephra: Thanks, I was just wondering if there was a suggested way of upgrading packages |
| 03:11.14 | shagelito | marcidy: yep i tryed threw repair-tools kit. a live cd |
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| 03:11.40 | FreezingCold | kephra: In Arch's PKGBUILD there's pkgver=$version |
| 03:11.45 | shagelito | but i aborted the operation (without any instalations, at least i thought) because i wanted to be sure about what i was doing |
| 03:11.48 | FreezingCold | Thought Debian had something similar |
| 03:12.00 | kephra | FreezingCold, I'm sure there is also the right Debian way - but I often just use package version X as example to build a deb for package version Y |
| 03:12.28 | FreezingCold | kephra: So... Should I just unpack the source right on top of the old one? :S |
| 03:12.34 | FreezingCold | that seems... harsh |
| 03:12.47 | FreezingCold | marienz: lmfao -> [22:11:53] -NickServ- Registered : Nov 05 20:33:55 2013 (1 week, 3 days, 06:38:11 ago) |
| 03:12.52 | FreezingCold | * marcidy |
| 03:12.55 | marcidy | shagelito: ah, ok. I would try the boot-repair then, and go through with it. You can't really make it worse than it is right now if it's jsut repairing the boot. |
| 03:13.06 | FreezingCold | marcidy: Have you ever packaged something in your life? |
| 03:13.36 | kephra | FreezingCold, no, start with the old binary: do an ar x of the deb package for it - look inside the two tar.gz files - then build your own new version based on it (that the I use,if debian does not provide the right version in /pool/ |
| 03:13.53 | kephra | its certainly the wrongâ„¢ way ;-) |
| 03:14.24 | shagelito | marcidy: well too bad for me : i tryed again but this time nothing happen, just a report linked :( |
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| 03:16.41 | FreezingCold | kephra: I'm sure the docs say this, but where is the version number set? |
| 03:16.49 | shagelito | but im going to stick with the link you provide me and follow this advice : convert legacy to efi. But what i wish to understand, it's why it worked perfectly before the grub went down |
| 03:16.59 | dizzylizzy | Can anyone think of a reason I might be getting 403'd at wiki.debian.org? |
| 03:17.07 | marcidy | shagelito: any idea what you changed in grub? |
| 03:17.25 | kephra | FreezingCold, the version number is within the control.tar.gz, iirc |
| 03:17.43 | shagelito | nope. For the first time of my life i see so many comand that i cant even remember what i was trying to do |
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| 03:19.19 | kephra | FreezingCold, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html <- my guess is that this might be the doc for the right way |
| 03:19.56 | shagelito | marcidy: holdon . There is something weird. You are telling me this linux is installed in Legacy mode. However, my w8 appears to be EFI. But for an operational dualboot, i should have both in efi, right ?! |
| 03:20.12 | debiansnice | is there adblocker for iceweasal like there is for firefox? |
| 03:20.16 | j4jackj | Yes |
| 03:20.23 | marcidy | shagelito: yes, exactly |
| 03:20.23 | debiansnice | is there a name for it? |
| 03:20.28 | j4jackj | debiansnice: it's called 'Adblock Plus' and is also available for firefox |
| 03:20.43 | debiansnice | can it be found in synaptic packager? |
| 03:20.48 | j4jackj | IDK |
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| 03:20.51 | marcidy | debianisnice: most add-ons work exactly like in firefox |
| 03:20.56 | j4jackj | Install it from the Mozilla Addon Store |
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| 03:21.36 | FreezingCold | kephra: ah screw it, just going to keep the wrong version number until I have the time to learn how to properly package things |
| 03:21.46 | shagelito | marcidy: ... my brain hurts |
| 03:21.53 | marcidy | shagelito: I believe it's in legacy mode because of the symptoms you are getting, im not positive |
| 03:22.23 | marcidy | shagelito: but i also have no idea what you changed in grub or why that caused it to break this specific way |
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| 03:23.04 | shagelito | well i tryed this command : "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in EFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode" ". The test return a "Legacy" response. sounds logic to you ? |
| 03:23.30 | marcidy | i think it's worth attempting the conversion based on that information, yes |
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| 03:24.23 | marcidy | shagelito: specifically seeing if you are using grub-efi |
| 03:24.23 | kephra | FreezingCold, does the package already exists as an other version number? |
| 03:24.36 | kephra | missed the start of the discussion |
| 03:24.36 | shagelito | marcidy: what ? |
| 03:25.09 | marcidy | shagelito: there's a specific grub for efi, called grub-efi |
| 03:25.14 | FreezingCold | kephra: uh, yeah. Basically there's already 1.0, and I just unpacked the source of 2.0 on top. I assume debian isn't going to notice the new version automatically, so it'll install 2.0 as 1.0 |
| 03:25.19 | debiansnice | why, iceweasal is supported by mozilla? |
| 03:25.26 | FreezingCold | debiansnice: uh, it's not? |
| 03:25.29 | FreezingCold | debiansnice: who told you it was? |
| 03:25.31 | debiansnice | so if i wanted adblock, i can download it via mozilla? |
| 03:25.35 | debiansnice | i dont know |
| 03:25.42 | FreezingCold | debiansnice: because mozilla isn't filled with Nazis? |
| 03:25.47 | debiansnice | ... |
| 03:25.49 | marcidy | debiansnice: it is the same code base, with a few libs changed to be free as in speech instead of just free as in beer |
| 03:25.51 | FreezingCold | iceweasal = unbranded firefox |
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| 03:26.04 | marcidy | debiansnice: try it :) it will work, i use ad block on iceweasel |
| 03:26.07 | debiansnice | ok how do i get it/ it's not in the synpatic manager |
| 03:26.17 | marcidy | debiansnice: it's isntalled just like mozilla addons |
| 03:26.19 | kephra | FreezingCold, so download the .deb for this package, create an empty directory, in this directoy do an `ar x package.deb` |
| 03:26.27 | debiansnice | i'm not even sure what you mean |
| 03:26.32 | marcidy | debiansnice: go here https://adblockplus.org/en/firefox |
| 03:26.38 | marcidy | debiansnice and click install for firefox |
| 03:26.38 | PCL3D | likes.. Gnash.. wishes it works with internet radio |
| 03:26.40 | FreezingCold | debiansnice: yeah there shouldn't be any problem |
| 03:26.49 | FreezingCold | PCL3D: tried shumway yet? |
| 03:27.02 | debiansnice | you sure that will install on iceweasal? |
| 03:27.08 | FreezingCold | yes |
| 03:27.09 | FreezingCold | 100% |
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| 03:27.20 | FreezingCold | kephra: Uh, there's no 2.0 .deb of wpa_supplicant for armhf |
| 03:27.31 | FreezingCold | kephra: I have a general .tar.gz |
| 03:27.37 | PCL3D | shumay? nope another flash clone? |
| 03:27.45 | kephra | FreezingCold, but there is an 1.0 for it? |
| 03:27.48 | FreezingCold | PCL3D: shumway isn't flash |
| 03:27.52 | FreezingCold | kephra: yeah :) |
| 03:28.01 | debiansnice | cool |
| 03:28.02 | debiansnice | it worked |
| 03:28.03 | FreezingCold | kephra: that's what I copied 2.0's tar onto |
| 03:28.04 | debiansnice | strange.. |
| 03:28.07 | FreezingCold | debiansnice: Not strange |
| 03:28.11 | PCL3D | freezingcold.. what is shumway then? |
| 03:28.13 | marcidy | debiansnice: they are the same thing with different names |
| 03:28.17 | FreezingCold | debiansnice: Why would you ask before you tried? |
| 03:28.23 | debiansnice | no idea. |
| 03:28.27 | debiansnice | but i got it now |
| 03:28.37 | kephra | FreezingCold, so `ar x package.deb` followed by `tar xvfz control.tar.gz` |
| 03:28.42 | shagelito | marcidy: ok i just remember something ! |
| 03:28.45 | debiansnice | btw, debian is cool |
| 03:28.52 | debiansnice | and very nice |
| 03:29.01 | FreezingCold | kephra: Yeah, but how the heck would it know what version? |
| 03:29.11 | kephra | FreezingCold, next edit the "control" file, this contains the version number |
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| 03:29.19 | shagelito | marcidy: i did this 'apt-get autoremove --purge grub-pc grub2' |
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| 03:29.31 | kephra | FreezingCold, then create a new data.tar.gz and new md5sums |
| 03:29.38 | debiansnice | but i have another question to ask.. i want to icnrease dpi size to 150% to enlarge everything for better visbility |
| 03:29.41 | debiansnice | is there a way to do that? |
| 03:29.57 | shagelito | and wanted to be sure about where to instal the grub with this 'apt-get install grub2' |
| 03:30.05 | kephra | FreezingCold, pack both a new control.tar.gz and a new data.tar.gz - and use ar to pack a new .deb |
| 03:30.16 | PCL3D | debiansnice.. what desktop? |
| 03:30.19 | shagelito | marcidy: i mean before |
| 03:30.23 | marcidy | shagelito: yeah, got you |
| 03:30.23 | debiansnice | just my laptop |
| 03:30.37 | PCL3D | i mean KDE.. Gnome? |
| 03:30.38 | FreezingCold | kephra: I used apt-get sources to get it, don't see a control.tar.gz. I'll try it after this first attempt of building |
| 03:30.41 | debiansnice | oh |
| 03:30.41 | debiansnice | KDE |
| 03:30.42 | marcidy | shagelito: just curious, why did you remove them? was there some reason you thought you needed to? |
| 03:31.13 | kephra | FreezingCold, *oh* I thought you want to build a new binary package, from a source that is not part of debian yet |
| 03:31.28 | FreezingCold | kephra: well 2.0 isn't a part of debian yet |
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| 03:31.37 | FreezingCold | PCL3D: Flash bytecode interrupter written in JavaScript/HTML5 |
| 03:31.45 | shagelito | yep, some french debian users in the debian forum. I was hopeless, without anything but a black error promot, trying to find a way to get over this withe posting some help with a smartphone.. |
| 03:31.57 | PCL3D | pretty sure that would be in your dektop settings |
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| 03:32.19 | PCL3D | thanks freezingcold |
| 03:32.22 | FreezingCold | PCL3D: doesn't work for video playback, but works decently for a lot of other things |
| 03:32.45 | FreezingCold | PCL3D: For YouTube, you can force html5 with a plugin called youtube center (set to html5 and 720p automatically) |
| 03:32.50 | FreezingCold | though it breaks 1080p |
| 03:32.54 | marcidy | shagelito: hehe, ok. it soulds like they were trying to clear out the non-efi versions perhaps |
| 03:33.50 | shagelito | marcidy: oooh cause grub1 is for efi and grub2 is not ? |
| 03:34.36 | PCL3D | will try to keep that all in mind freezingcold |
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| 03:35.17 | FreezingCold | fun fact, I now have 12985 entries in my history |
| 03:35.33 | shagelito | marcidy: so what if i push this : 'apt-get install grub2' could fix my grub problem ? |
| 03:35.44 | FreezingCold | kephra: history | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 03:35.46 | FreezingCold | that's a fun command |
| 03:36.07 | FreezingCold | my most common command is exit lol |
| 03:37.44 | marcidy | shagelito: yeah. you're efi partition is /dev/sda1 so |
| 03:37.52 | marcidy | shagelito keep that in mind |
| 03:38.47 | shagelito | lol im going to write this down somewhere |
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| 03:40.28 | debiansnice | There's no option to change dpi in display settings on debian |
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| 03:42.55 | shagelito | and i want to instal the grub on that efi partition. Right ? |
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| 03:43.04 | marcidy | shagelito: yeap |
| 03:43.35 | shagelito | marcidy: wouhou !! i can see the light now ! |
| 03:44.31 | shagelito | marcidy: Okay, so by installing the grub on sda1, ill be able to choose wich system to sart at boot. Right ? |
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| 03:44.57 | wavesurfer | what happened to wheezy-backports |
| 03:44.59 | marcidy | shagelito: celebrate when it's fixed :) If grub installs correctly at all, then yes, it will work for system selection at boot, that's what it does |
| 03:45.06 | wavesurfer | it was there like a week ago |
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| 03:45.37 | marcidy | debiansnice: are you using xorg? xrandr supposedly suppors that, or a config in Xresources |
| 03:45.44 | wavesurfer | now I can't seem to find it in debian.org |
| 03:45.59 | marcidy | debiansnice: haven't used it for that myself though, ymmv |
| 03:46.01 | debiansnice | marcidy: i already solved the problem, but yeah... |
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| 03:46.10 | marcidy | debiansnice: great |
| 03:46.38 | shagelito | so what about that EFI convertion ? pushing 'apt-get install grub2' wont solve things as they were before it went down ? |
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| 03:47.11 | shagelito | conversion. Excuse my french. |
| 03:47.25 | marcidy | shagelito: i think it's safe to say you destroyed grub and need to reinstall it for sure. since we know you did that, let's fix that first. I don't really think you need to convert given the information you gave me. |
| 03:47.37 | PCL3D | that and note your "good" grub settings to boot .... if it fails? |
| 03:47.47 | blahdeblah | Hi. Anyone know what's up with http://anonscm.debian.org/ at the moment? I'm trying to pull http://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-swn/strongswan.git without success. |
| 03:47.58 | marcidy | shagelito: I'm suspect of that command you ran because you are booting from DVD rather than HDD, and DVD might be legacy. |
| 03:48.01 | shagelito | Okay. going to push the button. Hope to see you back. |
| 03:48.51 | marcidy | shagelito: tbh, you can't make you boot situation worse than what it is right now :) so you'll be back, just might be DVD |
| 03:50.02 | blahdeblah | Alternatively, anyone know where I can get an invite to #debian-devel to ask people more likely to be using it? |
| 03:50.49 | shagelito | marcidy: dude i dont like to say that but it smells very bad |
| 03:50.59 | marcidy | shagelito: in what sense |
| 03:51.48 | shagelito | marcidy: french pormpt message, let me try to google trad it |
| 03:52.38 | debiansnice | i heard something is going to happen to skype alternatives by the end of the year |
| 03:53.10 | shagelito | The following packages have unmet dependencies: grub2: Depends: grub-pc (+ deb7u2 = 1.99-27) but 2.00-13ubuntu3 is to be installed |
| 03:53.26 | shagelito | ouch let me try again |
| 03:53.31 | shagelito | marcidy: The following packages have unmet dependencies: grub2: Depends: grub-pc (+ deb7u2 = 1.99-27) but 2.00-13ubuntu3 is to be installed |
| 03:53.50 | shagelito | E: Unable to correct problems, faulty packets mode "keep state". |
| 03:54.03 | marcidy | shagelito: you can try -f to correct |
| 03:54.26 | shagelito | so this will... Force the installation, right ? |
| 03:54.44 | marcidy | shagelito: it will attempt to fix the issues |
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| 03:54.51 | shagelito | rgr |
| 03:54.52 | marcidy | shagelito: it wont force it through an error |
| 03:55.38 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | When I do a sound test Front Left and Front Right plays audio. With a headset in the analog audio port only Front Right plays audio. The headset plays audio in both with any other device\other laptops. |
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| 03:55.57 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | Is this a motherboard issue or pulse audio? |
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| 03:56.15 | zacts | hi, is mozilla.debian.net official? |
| 03:56.19 | shagelito | same error. |
| 03:56.21 | zacts | for iceweasel backports? |
| 03:56.46 | wavesurfer | did wheezy-backports just disappear like that |
| 03:57.00 | shagelito | light starting disappear. |
| 03:57.06 | zacts | wavesurfer: I can't find wheezy-backports |
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| 03:57.28 | wavesurfer | neither can I, that's why I am asking |
| 03:57.36 | wavesurfer | but I remember actually using it a week ago |
| 03:58.00 | marcidy | shagelit: do an apt-get update and try again, if that fails, try with --fix-missing. if THAT fails, need to figure out why those deps are bad. mgiht be temporary. |
| 03:58.17 | shagelito | rgr |
| 03:58.38 | PCL3D | fdisk /fixmbr |
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| 04:01.35 | LtL | zacts , wavesurfer it's been changed, explained here: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 04:01.36 | debiansnice | uh debian is so much fun |
| 04:01.48 | debiansnice | but i got to figure out how to get wifi :| |
| 04:03.27 | zacts | LtL: thanx |
| 04:03.42 | LtL | zacts: you're welcome |
| 04:03.53 | zacts | can now replace Ubuntu with debian |
| 04:04.15 | PCL3D | seems a lot of questions here could be solved by using the "live" debian and then installing it |
| 04:04.17 | debiansnice | zacts: why would you do that? |
| 04:04.33 | debiansnice | i am amazed by how easy it is to customize debian |
| 04:04.57 | PCL3D | likes Mint better than ubuntu.. but still doesnt like ubuntu |
| 04:04.58 | zacts | debiansnice: because I value free software, stability, security, and a vibrant developer community over cannonical |
| 04:05.01 | debiansnice | my customization makes it feel like i invented my OS. |
| 04:05.16 | debiansnice | huh, doesn't debian provide the same thing |
| 04:05.34 | zacts | and debian provides ports to other architectures |
| 04:05.34 | shagelito | marcidy: well nothing works. Keeps telling me that i asked for "the impossible", some packets cant be installed. It looks like there is a dependence problem, that Grub2 needs grub-pc BUT "2.00-13ubuntu3 will have to get installed" |
| 04:05.45 | zacts | and provides FreeBSD kernel for more stable zfs.. |
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| 04:06.13 | marcidy | shagelito: yah, that's odd. why is it looking for an ubuntu source? have you updated yuor apt.sources lately? |
| 04:06.19 | shagelito | then it says that he cant solve the problem, and that the packets are in a "same state" mode |
| 04:06.35 | shagelito | i dont think so |
| 04:06.41 | shagelito | worked perfectly before |
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| 04:06.58 | marcidy | shagelito: you might want to comment out any repos you've added so just the default is in there. True, but you prob havent' installed a crit component in a while. |
| 04:07.01 | shagelito | i can check ! hold on |
| 04:08.28 | debiansnice | how would you skype on debian though? |
| 04:08.54 | marcidy | debiansnice: apt-get install skype |
| 04:08.59 | debiansnice | ;D |
| 04:09.03 | debiansnice | thanks that simple |
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| 04:09.17 | PCL3D | from a non free repo? |
| 04:09.27 | Tylertwo | yeah |
| 04:09.45 | debiansnice | apt-get install skype doesn't work, resource gone |
| 04:09.47 | debiansnice | :(((((((((((( |
| 04:09.48 | marcidy | debiansnice/PCL3D: now i cant remember if i did it rhough repo or got a .deb from skype, but yeah, it works. |
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| 04:10.04 | marcidy | https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 04:10.22 | marcidy | sorry, it's two steps, not one. So hard |
| 04:10.37 | PCL3D | since Skype nags for cash its not free.. so must be another repo |
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| 04:11.35 | debiansnice | i want a ph.d in debian. i wnt to be the master user of debian |
| 04:11.48 | marcidy | PCL3D yeah, was about to make a similar point. When asking to use a specific program, you have to abide by that program's rules. It's not like you can't have a web chat for free with free programs. |
| 04:12.13 | pankid | so I am getting an error when I try to update or install -f my raspbian install. pifacedigital-scratch-handler seems to be causing the issue. Anyone have any suggestions. |
| 04:14.16 | debiansnice | any idea what "hinting style" means under font configuration? |
| 04:14.27 | debiansnice | anti-aliasing configuration I mean.. |
| 04:14.56 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/Zpqm1UQB sounds legit to you ? |
| 04:15.36 | marcidy | shagelito: put a # before this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main |
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| 04:15.57 | marcidy | shagelito: then apt-get update, then apt-get install grub2 |
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| 04:16.24 | marcidy | pankid: that's seems pretty specific to raspberry pi, maybe a form specific to that device will be more helpful |
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| 04:16.44 | marcidy | pankid: anre more to the error? |
| 04:16.49 | marcidy | pankid: any* |
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| 04:17.55 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/8pdkciAp like this uh ? |
| 04:17.58 | debiansnice | i notice that you can enlarge font on terminal , but I want to set the font bigger in terminal, can I do that possibly? |
| 04:18.12 | marcidy | shagelito: perfect. |
| 04:18.33 | marcidy | debiansnice: xterm ? |
| 04:18.33 | debiansnice | I mean, i can enlarge the font but after I close terminal, it reverts back to normal/tiny font |
| 04:18.41 | debiansnice | xterm= terminal? |
| 04:18.51 | marcidy | debiansnice: terminal in the gui? |
| 04:18.58 | debiansnice | yeah... I think so.. |
| 04:19.25 | marcidy | debiansnice: yeah, ok, read up on .XResources. Specifically xterm*font |
| 04:19.32 | debiansnice | oh wait |
| 04:19.34 | debiansnice | i just found out how to do it |
| 04:19.39 | marcidy | debianisnice: note sure which terminal you're using specifically |
| 04:19.40 | debiansnice | lol it was right in the menu |
| 04:19.57 | debiansnice | i was referring to konsole under KDE debian wheeeeeeezy |
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| 04:20.04 | debiansnice | but I found out how to do what I couldn't do |
| 04:20.10 | marcidy | debianisnice: ah, ok |
| 04:20.33 | debiansnice | i like the way how debian makes me feel after figuring something out on my own. it's the thrill that i cannot find in windows |
| 04:21.37 | marcidy | debianisnice: you should look into Linux from scratch |
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| 04:21.41 | shagelito | marcidy: so thats negative. No more ubuntu related problem, still a dependance problem with grub-pc |
| 04:21.42 | pankid | marcidy, not that I have seen |
| 04:21.53 | debiansnice | marcidy: like going to linux 101 |
| 04:21.56 | shagelito | marcidy: and say he wont instal the dependance. |
| 04:22.03 | marcidy | shagelito: did you do apt-get update? |
| 04:22.10 | shagelito | ofcourse |
| 04:22.18 | shagelito | im going to google this for few mns |
| 04:22.22 | marcidy | shagelito: just checking. can you show me the error? I can't udnerstand why it would dpeend on ubuntu now |
| 04:22.24 | shagelito | maybe ill find something |
| 04:22.32 | shagelito | no |
| 04:22.35 | shagelito | no more ubuntu |
| 04:22.49 | marcidy | shagelito: ok, at least that makes more sense. same version though? |
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| 04:23.53 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/PjX6qdq6 want to get a google trad ? |
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| 04:24.58 | debiansnice | I feel retarded not being able to set up wifi.. or follow the directions on how to do it |
| 04:25.07 | marcidy | shagelito: no worries, i spent some time in france. sorry, but try apt-get -f install grub2 grub-pc again? |
| 04:26.47 | shagelito | http://pastebin.com/mdVpyRKU |
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| 04:30.39 | marcidy | shagelito:hmm, you have non-free in your apt/sources.list |
| 04:31.00 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry, im comparing what I see in apt vs the issue you're getting, and I don't see that error. give me a sec |
| 04:31.05 | debiansnice | i have a feeling debian would not be free one day. |
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| 04:32.28 | marcidy | shagelito: i suspect that you have a partial install from the ubuntu sources based on this: Dépend: grub-pc-bin (= 1.99-27+deb7u2) mais 2.00-13ubuntu3 devra être installé |
| 04:32.29 | shagelito | marcidy: lol np dude |
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| 04:33.20 | marcidy | shagelito: do apt-get remove grub2-pc-bin |
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| 04:34.03 | shagelito | he cant find the package |
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| 04:34.10 | shagelito | lemme check again the spell |
| 04:34.16 | Dragostini | Hey everyone. I just installed Debian on my home PC, going to play around with it and see about setting up a little server. I'm trying to ssh into it from my laptop. if I use Name@IP port 21212 (port I set in the config) I get "system error" in putty...any ideas? |
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| 04:35.37 | emss | firewall? |
| 04:35.58 | Dragostini | No firewall that I know of running. |
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| 04:37.00 | Dragostini | Debian has iptables set to allow all anyways no? |
| 04:37.04 | shagelito | marcidy: this is nonsens. cant find the package grub2-pc-bin |
| 04:37.12 | Dragostini | and the laptop is running Linux Mint, with firewall disabled |
| 04:37.29 | emss | i mean windows |
| 04:37.48 | emss | ok |
| 04:37.49 | Dragostini | Im not using windows. |
| 04:37.53 | marcidy | shagelito: how were you searching? can you run a dpkg-query -i | grep grub |
| 04:38.19 | Dragostini | emss, just tried putty at: IP.Goes.Here port 21212, no username, got connection refused :/ |
| 04:38.23 | emss | is ssh server running? |
| 04:38.26 | Dragostini | yes |
| 04:38.38 | Dragostini | sshd is up and running, openssh-server installed |
| 04:39.06 | marcidy | shagelito: also can you paste the output from "dpkg -l | more" |
| 04:39.35 | emss | yes user/pass/port are correct? |
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| 04:39.58 | emss | why are you using putty? |
| 04:40.02 | Dragostini | emss, I believe so. |
| 04:40.12 | Dragostini | shrugs, "How I've always done it" |
| 04:40.36 | emss | try ssh |
| 04:40.46 | shagelito | marcidy: sure. I searched nothin. apt-get did, and returned me a message tellin : E : Cant find the grub2-pc-bin packet" |
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| 04:40.55 | Dragostini | ssh IP.Goes.Here:port ? |
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| 04:41.04 | shagelito | marcidy: sorry if i messaged you twice) |
| 04:41.07 | emss | man ssh |
| 04:41.22 | shagelito | marcidy: anyway runing your commands |
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| 04:44.49 | marcidy | shagelito: also run an apt-get autoclean |
| 04:46.52 | shagelito | marcidy: could you give me the ocmmand that print the output on a file ? |
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| 04:47.43 | marcidy | shagelito: append "> filename.txt" |
| 04:48.14 | marcidy | shagelito: so dpkg-query -l > filename.txt |
| 04:48.18 | marcidy | sorry ab out that |
| 04:48.19 | shagelito | hey i saw some grub related files deleted |
| 04:48.27 | Dragostini | emss, getting "No fuch file or directory when doing ssh user@host |
| 04:48.28 | marcidy | shagelito: with autoclean? |
| 04:48.37 | shagelito | yep |
| 04:48.41 | Dragostini | So I must be doing something wrong with the ssh command, never used it, just putty in the past |
| 04:48.47 | debiansnice | I downloaded skype via skype website that has a debian version, but when i tried to open it. the dialog pop says cannot be installed, not supported |
| 04:48.51 | marcidy | shagelito: ok, try installing again |
| 04:48.53 | shagelito | hold on i dont know why but i think you might want to see this |
| 04:49.15 | marcidy | shagelito: hehe, ok |
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| 04:50.03 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/9n8ynLiJ |
| 04:50.03 | emss | Dragostini install the ssh client |
| 04:50.29 | marcidy | shagolito oh good, there go all the uibuntu files |
| 04:50.42 | Dragostini | emss, installing, 2 mins |
| 04:50.53 | marcidy | shagolito: try apt-get install grub2 |
| 04:52.03 | Dragostini | apparently, its installed already according to synaptics on my laptop |
| 04:52.04 | shagelito | negative. Again that grub-pc dependance pb. |
| 04:52.19 | shagelito | marcidy: grub2 : Dépend: grub-pc (= 1.99-27+deb7u2) mais ne sera pas installé |
| 04:53.24 | shagelito | im going to print those result in a file |
| 04:53.27 | shagelito | holdon ! |
| 04:55.10 | Dragostini | emss, already installed :S |
| 04:55.24 | marcidy | shagelito: also if you can get me the output from those dpkg commands too pls :) |
| 04:55.30 | Dragostini | sorry, didn't highlight before, and I imagine you are busy XD |
| 04:55.52 | shtrom | hey guys |
| 04:55.59 | Dragostini | hi shtrom |
| 04:56.03 | shtrom | I am seeing a weird issue on two jessies |
| 04:56.14 | shagelito | marcidy: stupid question but as im logged as root, where the file has benn outputed ? |
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| 04:56.34 | marcidy | shagelito: if you did command > file.txt it will be where you are. type ls |
| 04:56.40 | shtrom | they hang at boot, with the kernel telling me that task init:<PID> has blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 04:56.50 | shagelito | Awesome :D |
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| 04:57.03 | shtrom | has anybody seen anything similar recently? |
| 04:57.20 | shtrom | (is it acceptable to post URLs to bug reports here?) |
| 04:57.30 | emss | Dragostini type ssh |
| 04:57.47 | emss | Dragostini what happens? |
| 04:58.03 | Dragostini | gives me a list of useages |
| 04:58.34 | emss | ok so it's installed |
| 04:58.46 | Dragostini | Has been the entire time apparently :S |
| 04:59.03 | emss | man ssh, and try |
| 04:59.26 | Dragostini | man ssh gives me a huge list of possible options, none of which I know what to do with XD |
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| 05:00.24 | emss | find the one for port :) |
| 05:00.34 | Dragostini | twould be -p |
| 05:01.36 | Dragostini | emss, connection refused when doing ssh user@IP -p port# |
| 05:02.10 | emss | -p before user@IP |
| 05:02.34 | flypp | i'm using user@host -p <port> |
| 05:02.40 | emss | man ssh to learn how to use it :) |
| 05:03.41 | emss | really? :( |
| 05:03.46 | Rusty1 | try ssh -vv user@ip.of.the.host |
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| 05:05.17 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/eqJzdxwv |
| 05:05.26 | shagelito | srry first time i use this command :/ |
| 05:05.55 | emss | Dragostini did you restart sshd after changing the port? |
| 05:06.15 | Dragostini | Rusty1 and emss: did ssh -vv user@ip.of.host and it tried to use port 22 instead of 21212 and timed out, so I added -p port# after the command and it refused |
| 05:06.18 | marcidy | ha |
| 05:06.28 | Dragostini | emss, no, let me try that |
| 05:06.34 | Dragostini | I didn't even think of that -.- |
| 05:06.50 | marcidy | shagelito: apt-get remove grub-common grub grub-pc-bin |
| 05:07.32 | flypp | Dragostini, did you tried to do 'ssh user@localhost -p 21212' on the computer where openssh-server is running? |
| 05:07.46 | Dragostini | emss, did service ssh restart, tried again, didn't work |
| 05:07.50 | Dragostini | flypp, will try now |
| 05:07.52 | marcidy | shagelito: then apt-get install them, which should revert to the 1.99 version. If not, do another apt-get autoclean. |
| 05:08.27 | Dragostini | flypp, refused |
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| 05:08.49 | Dragostini | oh wait |
| 05:08.56 | marcidy | shagelito: actualyl just apt-get install grub2 after removing those others, deps will be automatically satisfied |
| 05:08.56 | Dragostini | I didnt try localhost that time, sorry flypp one sec |
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| 05:09.07 | shagelito | something is happening ! |
| 05:09.36 | Dragostini | flypp, doing ssh USER@LOCALHOST -p 21212 worked |
| 05:09.39 | Dragostini | and I am connected |
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| 05:09.49 | Dragostini | inside the pc sshd is running on. |
| 05:09.52 | marcidy | shagelito: getting rid of your ubuntu installed stuff |
| 05:10.03 | rtd2 | I have some processes that I'm noticing are taking up 100% CPU usage and they always appear as random names that I've never heard of before. Is there a way to determine what is spawning these processes? |
| 05:10.07 | marcidy | ctrl-f on ubuntu in your paste, you'll see what i mean |
| 05:10.09 | shagelito | marcidy: you mean 'apt-get install grub-common grub grub-pc-bin' right ? |
| 05:10.25 | shagelito | marcidy: i see |
| 05:10.27 | flypp | ok, recheck you can do ping between the machines. No iptables rules? no firewall at all? |
| 05:10.36 | marcidy | shagelito: actually, after apt-get remove <blah> do a dpkg -l | grep ubuntu |
| 05:10.55 | marcidy | shagelito: you have a couple packages liek libc6 and irrsi, but that's ok for this |
| 05:11.14 | marcidy | shagelito: if grub stuff still shows up, we can just dpkg -r them |
| 05:11.23 | Dragostini | flypp, laptop LM15 firewall disabled, and I've not touched the Debian (box I'm trying to ssh to) iptables, but I think they are set to allowall by default in a debian install |
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| 05:11.56 | Dragostini | flypp, what is the ping command? I can't recall, I know I googled it earlier... |
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| 05:12.06 | Dragostini | I can pull it up again |
| 05:12.06 | flypp | ping -c4 ip |
| 05:12.12 | Dragostini | gotcha |
| 05:12.15 | flypp | -c4 is optional |
| 05:12.28 | flypp | it does not explode. 4 pings |
| 05:12.47 | shagelito | omg i can see it again |
| 05:12.47 | debianisnice | I cannot setup wireless for some reason. I followed the instructions https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse ,can someone help |
| 05:12.51 | marcidy | shagelito: once all the bad version packages are removed, you only need to do apt-get install grub2, it will sort out it's dependencies |
| 05:12.52 | Dragostini | flypp worked fine, no packet loss, 4 sent, 4 received 3003ms |
| 05:13.09 | marcidy | debianisnice: what have you done so far? |
| 05:13.26 | flypp | Dragostini, iptables -L -n |
| 05:13.31 | debianisnice | downloaded wpa and the networkmanager needed |
| 05:13.42 | Dragostini | on serverbox right? |
| 05:13.59 | debianisnice | then i tried to enter wifi information in networkmanager ie. the SSID, passphrase. |
| 05:13.59 | marcidy | debianisnice: can you switcfh to root and try type iwconfig |
| 05:14.08 | marcidy | debianisnice: or sudo iwconfig |
| 05:14.27 | flypp | yes. Are you trying to ssh as root? I mean ssh root@ip -p whatever? |
| 05:14.31 | debianisnice | ok i just did it |
| 05:14.31 | shagelito | ok dude |
| 05:14.38 | debianisnice | it says "no wireless extension" |
| 05:14.39 | marcidy | debianisnice: can you paste the output? |
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| 05:14.50 | shagelito | so far i apt-get install grub2 |
| 05:15.10 | shagelito | it worked, but what iam configuring right now is a grub-pc |
| 05:15.10 | marcidy | debianisnice: ok, but you have the right tools installed. |
| 05:15.14 | debianisnice | it just says there's no wireless extension for lo and eth0 |
| 05:15.17 | Dragostini | flypp, no I'm not: http://pastebin.com/pz3ziF3R |
| 05:15.21 | Dragostini | there is the output |
| 05:15.21 | debianisnice | i think so |
| 05:15.25 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 05:15.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:15.29 | marcidy | debianisnice: you need your wireless interface. Maybe even a moduile loaded |
| 05:15.32 | debianisnice | I think i have the right ools installed. since i did followed that website |
| 05:15.36 | Dragostini | flypp, trying to ssh username@IP, not root@ip |
| 05:15.43 | Blue1 | ah dpkg not dmsg |
| 05:15.58 | debianisnice | marcidy: not sure what that means.. haven't i done that already |
| 05:16.04 | rtd2 | right now I have a process called "perl" that is taking 100% cpu, and I am trying to figure out what is executing this, is there a way to track it down? |
| 05:16.10 | shagelito | marcidy: so just to be clear, im configuring grub-pc. no grub2 |
| 05:16.11 | marcidy | shagelito: but i have you remove it |
| 05:16.23 | marcidy | shagelito: but i had* you remove it, to start from scratch |
| 05:16.33 | shagelito | well |
| 05:17.01 | flypp | no iptables rules... did you edit more than the port line on ssh server file? |
| 05:17.14 | marcidy | debianisnice: i forget a lot of stuff, but do an lsmod and see if you have some wireless modukles loaded. |
| 05:17.16 | shagelito | < marcidy> shagelito: actualyl just apt-get install grub2 after removing those others, deps will be automatically satisfied |
| 05:17.22 | shagelito | marcidy: < marcidy> shagelito: actualyl just apt-get install grub2 after removing those others, deps will be automatically satisfied |
| 05:17.24 | Dragostini | flypp: no, just chaned 22 to 21212, saved and GTFO of there lol |
| 05:17.30 | shagelito | < marcidy> shagelito: actualyl just apt-get install grub2 after removing those others, deps will be automatically satisfied |
| 05:17.31 | Dragostini | changed* |
| 05:17.44 | shagelito | marcidy: < marcidy> shagelito: actualyl just apt-get install grub2 after removing those others, deps will |
| 05:17.46 | marcidy | debianisnice: look for a module with name *80211 specifically |
| 05:17.47 | shagelito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:18.07 | shagelito | Oh srry for that |
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| 05:18.21 | shagelito | missuse of page down page up |
| 05:18.51 | shagelito | so i did that command then it shows up as grub-pc |
| 05:18.52 | debianisnice | marcidy: , i don't see anything with 80211 |
| 05:18.55 | marcidy | debianisnice: cfg80211 and mac80211 |
| 05:19.07 | marcidy | debianisnice: you're screwed! just kidding, i don tthink your modules are loaded |
| 05:19.16 | debianisnice | so how do i do it |
| 05:19.29 | debianisnice | oh wait |
| 05:19.29 | marcidy | debianisnice: do you know what wireless card you have? if not, google you laptop model and make and "wireless chipset" |
| 05:19.30 | flypp | Dragostini, netstat -lnptu | grep 21212 |
| 05:19.32 | debianisnice | i see cfg80211 |
| 05:19.56 | debianisnice | what does it mean if i see it? |
| 05:20.00 | debianisnice | so it's loaded |
| 05:20.00 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry, you did apt-get install grub2 ? |
| 05:20.05 | marcidy | debianisnice: yeaop |
| 05:20.08 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: tell us the FULL output of lspci -nn use a pastebin |
| 05:20.13 | shagelito | marcidy: affirmativ |
| 05:20.17 | marcidy | debianisnice: what mumputzel said |
| 05:20.38 | marcidy | shagelito: ok, it's knows it depends on grub-pc so it's isntalling that as well, just continue |
| 05:20.48 | Dragostini | flypp, http://pastebin.com/PVKe53ik |
| 05:20.54 | marcidy | shagelito: i had you remove all grub packages with ubuntu in the name |
| 05:21.09 | debianisnice | http://paste.debian.net/66111/ |
| 05:21.27 | shagelito | marcidy: ok. Peripheric where to instal Grub : /dev/sda ofcourse ! .... right ? :) |
| 05:21.35 | mumpitze1 | !BCM4313 |
| 05:21.35 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
| 05:21.39 | marcidy | shagelito: /dev/sda1 specifically |
| 05:21.45 | flypp | Dragostini, it should runs fine. I cannot imagine why it's blocking you. Do you have fail2ban installed? |
| 05:22.03 | Dragostini | flypp, unless it was installed by default, no. |
| 05:22.16 | Dragostini | This debian is FRESH. only thing I did was install xfce |
| 05:22.23 | Dragostini | as it was a Gnome install |
| 05:22.38 | shagelito | marcidy: well, here, i have.. uh... /dev/sda OR /dev/sdb OR -/dev/sdb4 |
| 05:22.41 | flypp | cat /etc/hosts.deny |
| 05:23.10 | debianisnice | so what can you tell from my pastebin? |
| 05:23.20 | emss | hardware firewall/router/switch? |
| 05:24.01 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: and to test if your wlan works, run sudo ifconfig -a to check if it's wlan0 or wlan1, then sudo ifconfig wlan0 up;sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 05:24.03 | emss | Dragostini |
| 05:24.14 | Dragostini | flypp, http://pastebin.com/qqYDiaGn |
| 05:24.15 | shagelito | i rade somewhere that in some grub version sda starts at 0 instead of 1 |
| 05:24.19 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: I can tell you have a bcm4313 wlan chip and dpkg wrote above how to use it |
| 05:24.23 | shagelito | maybe 0 for him is "nothin" ? |
| 05:24.28 | mumpitze1 | !tell debianisnice about brcmsmac |
| 05:24.30 | marcidy | shagelito: i was wrong then, sorry, /dev/sda |
| 05:24.32 | Dragostini | emss, no, I use a router/modem 2in1 and no firewall enabled on it |
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| 05:24.47 | shagelito | ok. pushing that button. |
| 05:25.07 | debianisnice | this is too confusing |
| 05:25.19 | marcidy | debianisnice: i thought you wanted a phd |
| 05:25.32 | debianisnice | yeh but |
| 05:25.43 | debianisnice | i dont know,. an entire day cannot get wireless is pretty apthatic |
| 05:26.00 | flypp | everything looks fine. I cannot imagine what's wrong. Just for testing purposes. Could you install openssh-server on Linux Mint box and try to ssh login from Debian to Mint Dragostini ? |
| 05:26.13 | Dragostini | sure flypp |
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| 05:26.17 | Dragostini | give me a couple mins :) |
| 05:26.38 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: my log shows I told you all that almost 12h ago and you just ignored me back then |
| 05:26.42 | flypp | Dragostini, don't change ssh config file. Use default ports |
| 05:26.48 | flypp | *port |
| 05:26.53 | mumpitze1 | ok, 8 hours |
| 05:26.57 | shagelito | marcidy: i really thought it would be okay, but instead of what i get something like "Grub wasnt able to install on /dev/sda. Please confirm that you want to goes on anyway, knowing that you might not be able to boot properly" |
| 05:27.18 | Dragostini | okay flypp |
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| 05:27.23 | marcidy | shagelito: you have 2 efi partitions, the other is on /dev/sdb4. |
| 05:27.24 | debianisnice | yeah, ive been trying to get wireless since i installed debian |
| 05:27.34 | marcidy | shagelito: let me reread your HD info |
| 05:27.40 | debianisnice | i just did what you asked me to do and it shows up an error message |
| 05:27.58 | debianisnice | it says "name is not in the sudoer file" |
| 05:27.58 | shagelito | marcidy: what ever you want. Whats the procedure ? |
| 05:28.07 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: most likely you miss the non-free firmware for your chipset |
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| 05:28.19 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: then how do you things as root? |
| 05:28.23 | Blue1 | I am trying to autostart mythbackend in rc.local -- http://pastebin.com/z0KuYERF but it never executes the command. I see that it enters the script in /var/log/messages but it never goes any further |
| 05:28.34 | debianisnice | i rooted in and it still shows that |
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| 05:29.18 | mumpitze1 | when you su to root you don't use sudo then of course |
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| 05:29.21 | Dragostini | flypp timed out. Also, is it normal that my laptop, and my desktop, have EXACT same IP address? Desktop (debian) ethernet hardline, LM15 Laptop wireless |
| 05:29.24 | mumpitze1 | just plain ifconfig |
| 05:29.38 | flypp | Dragostini, of course no |
| 05:29.42 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: that can not be. actually, really can not |
| 05:29.49 | Dragostini | didnt think so, but is |
| 05:29.55 | Dragostini | I went to whatismyip.com |
| 05:29.57 | Dragostini | and they match |
| 05:30.02 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: pastebin the output of ifconfig -a for both |
| 05:30.12 | Dragostini | k sec |
| 05:30.14 | flypp | lol, Dragostini , of course all your computers have the same public ip |
| 05:30.36 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: that is your public IP, that is irrelevant here. that's the public IP of your router. each of your LAN PCs has a different IP, you can see it with ifconfig |
| 05:30.41 | flypp | Dragostini, you must ssh using private IP's |
| 05:30.44 | marcidy | shagelito: you had pasted a bunch of info about your harddrives earlier, i can't find it |
| 05:31.06 | mumpitze1 | marcidy: is he booted from a livecd? |
| 05:31.32 | marcidy | mumpitzel: yeah, currently |
| 05:31.54 | marcidy | mumpitzel: hdinfo http://paste.ubuntu.com/6419941/ |
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| 05:32.40 | shagelito | marcidy: i see what you are talking about just a sec ! |
| 05:32.59 | Dragostini | http://pastebin.com/E7BRpAEG <--- DEBIAN TOWER BOX ||| LINUX MINT LAPTOP ----> http://pastebin.com/1DTPQZHZ flypp |
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| 05:33.04 | Dragostini | Hm, that could be my issue. |
| 05:33.14 | Dragostini | I'm trying to connect to the IP found at whatismyip.com |
| 05:33.18 | marcidy | mumpitzel: he'd previously been fine, then someone had him apt-get remove grub / grub2. Trying to restore that, it was complaining about ubuntu bersions, so cleaned up his source.list and claned packages, now we are here, jsut trying to isntall grub on right partition |
| 05:33.21 | Dragostini | which is the public IP |
| 05:33.22 | Dragostini | X_X |
| 05:33.33 | shagelito | marcidy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6419941/ |
| 05:33.56 | mumpitze1 | marcidy: plain normal grub2 doesn't work on UEFI afaik. and |
| 05:34.04 | Dragostini | flypp and mumpitze1 that could be the issue. I've been trying to connect to the public IP found at whatismyip.com |
| 05:34.08 | Dragostini | -.0 |
| 05:34.23 | emss | Dragostini :) |
| 05:34.25 | flypp | you cannot connect using your public IP from inside your LAN |
| 05:34.29 | marcidy | mumitzel: well, regardless, the ubuntu versions were wrong. grub2 is supposed to work with them |
| 05:34.47 | Dragostini | If I connect via a different wifi connection, that would be correct yes? |
| 05:34.49 | marcidy | mumitzel: there is grub-efi which he has installed |
| 05:35.09 | marcidy | mumitzel: but any input welcome ofcourse |
| 05:35.24 | Dragostini | like, I have two wifi networks I can connect to, if I change networks flypp on my laptop, THEN I would use the public IP ive been trying this whole time right? |
| 05:35.29 | flypp | Dragostini, on Linux box: ssh user@192.168.0.10 -p 21212 |
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| 05:36.18 | Dragostini | rofl |
| 05:36.21 | Dragostini | flypp. worked. |
| 05:36.23 | flypp | you must set Debian-used router to follow port 21212 to Debian's IP |
| 05:36.25 | Dragostini | facepalms |
| 05:36.31 | Dragostini | I did |
| 05:36.38 | Dragostini | that totally worked. I'm in |
| 05:36.53 | Dragostini | do I use the public IP if I am connected to a different network, like at school or work? |
| 05:36.59 | flypp | then both Debian and Linux box are one the same LAN |
| 05:37.02 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: no, you can only use the public IP when you have set up a proper portforward in your router. and even then, with most routers this doesn't work (using the public IP from behind the NAT), you must connect from an outside PC, e.g. your cellphone connection or from a friend's house to be able to use the public IP |
| 05:37.25 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: yes when you are at work, but only if you did a portforward entry on your router |
| 05:37.47 | Dragostini | mumpitze1, I porforwarded 21212 on ip 192.169.0.1 |
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| 05:38.11 | shagelito | marcidy: could it be sdb ? |
| 05:38.14 | Dragostini | mumpitze1, what would I need to forward it to, to connect from school? |
| 05:38.19 | flypp | Dragostini, yes. Public IP is like your house address. If you want to send a card to your brother in the kitchen, you just give it to him. YOu don't go outside to find a mailbox |
| 05:38.26 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: 192.160.0.1 is a public IP. that is not good. |
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| 05:38.40 | Dragostini | gotcha flypp lol |
| 05:38.46 | mumpitze1 | 192.169.0.1 is |
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| 05:38.55 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: what router do you have? |
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| 05:39.21 | marcidy | shagelito: it looks that way. tbh though, it looks liek you need grub-efi, not grub2. |
| 05:39.23 | ectospasm | I have libavcodec-dev installed, but I can't find its version.h, which I'm supposed to find in the sam |
| 05:39.32 | marcidy | shagelito/mumpitzel: sdb4: sdb,not-sepboot,grubenv-okgrub2,grub-pc grub-efi ,update-grub,64,with-boot,is-os,not--efi--part,fstab-without-boot,fstab-has-goodEFI, |
| 05:39.34 | ectospasm | ...I'm compiling the MakeMKV 1.8.6, and I'm getting stuck |
| 05:39.42 | ectospasm | ...the makemkv forums suggests some things, and I'd really like to avoid installing ffmpeg from source |
| 05:39.43 | flypp | mumpitze1, Debian and Mint box are both on 192.168.0.0 network |
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| 05:39.59 | flypp | DustyDingo, just wondering? |
| 05:40.02 | Dragostini | mumpitze1, SMCD3GN |
| 05:40.03 | shagelito | marcidy: i dont get your last point |
| 05:40.12 | flypp | were you trolled us? xD |
| 05:40.27 | Dragostini | me? |
| 05:40.41 | Dragostini | No dude, I legit had to hell of an idea wtf was going on XD |
| 05:40.49 | flypp | xD |
| 05:41.09 | Dragostini | I'm not new to USING linux for everyday things like irssi, etc |
| 05:41.15 | marcidy | shagelito: one sec, checking something |
| 05:41.20 | Dragostini | I ssh to a remote shell for eggdrops I run daily |
| 05:41.27 | shagelito | marcidy: tyt |
| 05:41.31 | Dragostini | but setting up a server / connecting to my own pc, never done it flypp |
| 05:41.35 | Dragostini | so I have no idea |
| 05:41.52 | ectospasm | I have libavcodec-dev installed, but I can't find its version.h, which I'm supposed to find in the same directory as libavcodec.h (which I don't seem to have) |
| 05:41.58 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/SMC/SMCD3GN/defaultguide.htm |
| 05:41.59 | debianisnice | ok im still going for a ph.d in debian |
| 05:42.02 | marcidy | shagelito: can you paste output from /etc/fstab pls |
| 05:42.03 | ectospasm | whoops, the copy didn't work the first time |
| 05:42.20 | shagelito | marcidy: im going to have so much fun to configure Eve Online on whine :D :D |
| 05:42.31 | shagelito | marcidy: sure |
| 05:42.43 | mumpitze1 | ectospasm: dpkg -L libavcodec-dev |grep video but it might not be there since debian can't distribute it due to patents. you might need the dmm version of it |
| 05:42.56 | OSVG | Why not run linux EVE distro? |
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| 05:43.21 | Dragostini | mumpitze1, when it says to enter my IP, do I use this PC's local ip? 192.168.0.10? |
| 05:43.55 | mumpitze1 | for lan server ip, yes |
| 05:44.22 | Dragostini | mumpitze1, I mean, for setting this up so I can SSH from school? |
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| 05:44.32 | shagelito | marcidy: i found out ! |
| 05:44.33 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 05:44.33 | Dragostini | I can connect over LAN now, but I need access when not at home |
| 05:44.38 | Dragostini | k ty :) |
| 05:44.38 | Dragostini | one moment |
| 05:44.47 | marcidy | shagelito: pastebin! :) |
| 05:45.00 | mumpitze1 | Dragostini: for futher help about this, I suggest you ask in #networking |
| 05:45.19 | marcidy | shagelito: also check out OSVG's last note, probably will save you some issues |
| 05:45.21 | Dragostini | gotcha. I should be good now. Thank you very much mumpitze1 and flypp and emss :D |
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| 05:46.05 | shagelito | marcidy: im root but the only thing i get is Permission denied |
| 05:46.30 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry, it's a file. less /etc/fstab |
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| 05:48.27 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/zZffFb4q here |
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| 05:49.47 | FuuqUmist | what is the debian equivalent to ubuntu's PPAs? jw |
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| 05:50.58 | reavengrey | deficit reduction |
| 05:51.27 | nonconvergent | FuuqUmist: Not having PPAs. |
| 05:51.34 | mumpitze1 | !tell FuuqUmist about ppa |
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| 05:52.04 | marcidy | shagelito: what's your boot harddrive from the bios? |
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| 05:52.27 | j4jackj | !ppa |
| 05:52.27 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 05:52.29 | shagelito | marcidy: what do you mean ? |
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| 05:52.46 | j4jackj | !why not use a ppa |
| 05:52.46 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
| 05:52.49 | nonconvergent | j4jackj: Just /msg the bot if you want to talk to it |
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| 05:53.08 | j4jackj | FuuqUmist: I can make such a thing for you |
| 05:53.14 | FuuqUmist | when ever i have issues with software the developers always recommend getting the latest version via PPA |
| 05:53.23 | marcidy | shagelito: you have two efi partitions, /etc/fstab says /dev/sda1 was the one active during install, but debian clearly wants grub on /dev/sdb4 |
| 05:53.29 | j4jackj | FuuqUmist: Well then compile it from sourcecode. |
| 05:53.39 | marcidy | shagelito: I'm tempted to say do it and see what happens. |
| 05:53.46 | FuuqUmist | debian maybe be a good distro, but it is useless without good software |
| 05:53.59 | nonconvergent | FuuqUmist: That's because developers push little changes constantly. Debian maintainers add news things when they don't break old things. |
| 05:54.01 | marcidy | sdb4 was where grub was installed, and it worked before |
| 05:54.09 | marcidy | sdb4: sdb,not-sepboot,grubenv-okgrub2,grub-pc grub-efi ,update-grub,64,with-boot |
| 05:55.06 | shagelito | marcidy: holdon please |
| 05:55.33 | j4jackj | FuuqUmist: all the good software is 6 commands away, bz2 example: wget <url-of-sourcecode>.tar.bz2 ; tar jxf <filename>.tar.bz2 ; cd <filename> ; ./configure ; make ; sudo make install |
| 05:55.40 | nonconvergent | FuuqUmist: If you're trolling, you'd best scoot on down the road. If you not, allow me to treat this crippling case of SNS you appear to be suffering from before it gets terminal. |
| 05:57.04 | j4jackj | nonconvergent: I already told him the six commands he needs for all the good software |
| 05:57.54 | nonconvergent | j4jackj: Yes, I can read just as well as you. |
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| 05:58.50 | shagelito | marcidy: ..uh.. Okay then tryin to install on /dev/sdb4 |
| 05:59.03 | shagelito | marcidy: you copy ? :) |
| 05:59.05 | nonconvergent | Updates to projects tend to come in one of two flavors: New Features, and bug fixes because your new feature broke something. If they're sensible, new features are introduced in major releases after some heavy bugfixing from development anyway. If they're not sensible, they push everything out into the wild constantly. |
| 06:00.06 | nonconvergent | This problem mutiplies and magnifies when one of these projects is utilized by another project. So now new features and bug fixes are breaking other things they weren't even responsible for maintaining. |
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| 06:00.57 | FuuqUmist | from my personal experience the latest versions perform a lot better, since the ones in the repos can sometimes be years old |
| 06:01.53 | marcidy | shagelito: yeah. worst case will be same state |
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| 06:02.12 | shagelito | marcidy: lol okay that make senses. Let's go ! |
| 06:02.28 | optraz | how to redetect the display fit to the screen? right now the display is larger than the screen can fit |
| 06:02.44 | nonconvergent | FuuqUmist: On occassion that's true, but it's decidedly rare. Again, it's up to the design philosophy, as well as some diligence on the maintainer's part. |
| 06:03.36 | nonconvergent | FuuqUmist: Which is what bug reports are for. Updates get pulled even into stable when the problems are grave. |
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| 06:04.04 | shagelito | marcidy: it's a "no". However i saw some errors showing in the terminal. But they disappear to let a color prompt endlessly asking where to instal grub. |
| 06:04.20 | shagelito | is there a way to print them somewhere ? |
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| 06:04.59 | nonconvergent | !tell FuuqUmist about SNS |
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| 06:05.40 | marcidy | shagelito: try typing dmesg at the prompt and see of they are at the end, Pg Down / End to the end |
| 06:06.55 | shagelito | well there is no way for me to write something |
| 06:07.52 | shagelito | marcidy: as the full konsole is busy and waiting for me to choose where to install grub |
| 06:08.19 | marcidy | shagelito: open a new terminal :) |
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| 06:09.07 | shagelito | marcidy: so i start again the apt-get thing ? |
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| 06:09.40 | shagelito | marcidy: while the other window is running ? |
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| 06:10.14 | marcidy | shagelito: actually look in for the last few lines in /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 06:12.56 | marcidy | shagelito: you have two harddrives, right? did you see this message: N'oubliez pas de régler votre BIOS pour qu'il amorce sur le fichier sda1/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi ! |
| 06:12.58 | debianisnice | hello |
| 06:13.00 | debianisnice | can anyone see this |
| 06:13.10 | marcidy | debianisnice: nope |
| 06:13.10 | debianisnice | am i still connected |
| 06:13.35 | debianisnice | i fixed it! now i have wireless |
| 06:13.49 | debianisnice | such an easy problem |
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| 06:14.31 | debianisnice | debian is the best linux out there. If only I feel confident that I can install it on my macbook pro i would |
| 06:14.46 | debianisnice | but i heard there are driver issues. with the backlight stuff |
| 06:15.02 | shagelito | marcidy: thats right i got two hardrives. This message remind me something -_- |
| 06:15.21 | marcidy | shagelito: did you ever change the boot order of your harddrives in your bios? |
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| 06:15.49 | marcidy | shagelito: if not, can you please confirm that you are booting off the same harddrive which has your windows installation? |
| 06:18.03 | shagelito | marcidy: i changed boot orders |
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| 06:18.53 | shagelito | marcidy: im writing down the path of the .efi file |
| 06:19.27 | marcidy | shagelito: ok. can you try hard to remember what order you did these three things in: apt-get remove grub; change boot order; repair install? |
| 06:21.02 | shagelito | well logicaly, i would say change boot order repair install apt-get remove grub |
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| 06:22.15 | shagelito | marcidy: so do i need to reboot, and indicate the path to the efi file ? |
| 06:23.19 | marcidy | shagelito: one sec |
| 06:24.25 | shagelito | cause as far as i can remember i did that by adding a boot options. Returned an error |
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| 06:26.58 | shagelito | marcidy: ok i followe your philosophy then try on sdb |
| 06:27.41 | marcidy | shagelito: wait one sec. Can you paste your /boot/grub/grub.cfg pls? |
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| 06:33.20 | shagelito | marcidy: hold on have to create a pastebin account |
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| 06:36.34 | shagelito | marcidy: http://pastebin.com/d6esxHLX |
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| 06:38.30 | shagelito | marcidy: btw i did that grub instal on sdb |
| 06:38.56 | shagelito | marcidy: im going to see whats going the error this time |
| 06:39.07 | shagelito | marcidy: see you in 5mn |
| 06:39.09 | marcidy | shagelito: ok the set root='(hd1,gpt4)' command is picking /sdb4 |
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| 06:39.33 | Rakko | Are anonscm and alioth just down temporarily? |
| 06:39.48 | shagelito | marcidy: so ? |
| 06:39.57 | marcidy | shagelito: ok, go for it. I would suggest changing boot order back to original, reboot. If that fails, change it again |
| 06:41.21 | shagelito | marcidy: any idea of the original boot ? |
| 06:41.43 | marcidy | shagelito: you only have two harddrives right? just pick whatever isn't selected now |
| 06:42.28 | shagelito | marcidy: ok see ya :/ |
| 06:43.06 | marcidy | marcidy@gmail.com if something breaks, email from your phone |
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| 06:51.07 | arun | fguys has the Server Aloit... been up ?? |
| 06:51.17 | Rakko | Are anonscm.debian.org and alioth.debian.org just down temporarily? |
| 06:51.24 | Rakko | oh, my question too, arun |
| 06:51.45 | arun | Rakko: oh dude !!! |
| 06:51.47 | marcidy | Rakko: someone was in here a few hours ago with the same problem. Have no idea otherwise. |
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| 06:51.49 | arun | Rakko: lol |
| 06:51.59 | mumpitze1 | for you folks: https://www.google.com/search?q=downforeveryoneorjustme |
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| 06:52.16 | Rakko | I already know it's down. |
| 06:52.28 | Rakko | I'm pretty shocked there aren't mirrors of alioth and anonscm |
| 06:52.36 | Rakko | that I can find, anywya |
| 06:52.52 | shagelito | marcidy: Fail. |
| 06:53.03 | marcidy | shagelito: which steps fails |
| 06:53.08 | marcidy | failed* |
| 06:53.29 | shagelito | well a created a boot options with proper efi file link |
| 06:53.33 | shagelito | i* |
| 06:53.57 | shagelito | then what ever i tryed to boot, i had a grub error |
| 06:54.02 | shagelito | same black prompt |
| 06:54.05 | arun | so guys whats the thing... |
| 06:54.19 | arun | dpkg alioth.debian.org |
| 06:54.20 | dpkg | arun: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:54.27 | arun | dpkg alioth |
| 06:54.28 | dpkg | Alioth (http://alioth.debian.org/) is Debian's FusionForge server, see http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth for service and technical details. This service is currently (2013-11-11) down due to a disk crash, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/11/msg00001.html for more information. #alioth on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 06:55.24 | shagelito | i dont understand really . Fortunatly i still can boot with the grub cd |
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| 06:57.01 | shagelito | marcidy: what about i resotre my bios to its defaut parameters |
| 06:57.08 | marcidy | shagelito: nah |
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| 06:59.12 | shagelito | marcidy: so grub2 is the one on booted on CD. He works with my bios and all. So are you sure Grub-pc is the same as Grub2 ? |
| 06:59.45 | marcidy | grub-pc is a dependency |
| 06:59.52 | shagelito | marcidy: also, do i need to purge its installation ? |
| 07:00.12 | shagelito | i mean on sdb |
| 07:00.17 | marcidy | can you do a dpkg -l | grep grub > file.txt |
| 07:00.24 | shagelito | sure |
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| 07:01.50 | debianisnice | is linux really low on resource ussage? |
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| 07:01.56 | shagelito | http://pastebin.com/zNrhM5RX |
| 07:02.27 | marcidy | shagelito: apt-get install --reinstall grub2 |
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| 07:04.06 | shagelito | marcidy: it worked |
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| 07:04.38 | shagelito | marcidy: so do i need to remove all grubpc traces ? |
| 07:04.45 | marcidy | shagelito: no, it's all right version |
| 07:05.05 | shagelito | ok |
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| 07:05.28 | alusion | how do I mount drive that seems to be already exclusively opened |
| 07:05.30 | alusion | or mounted |
| 07:05.34 | alusion | or another software using it |
| 07:05.37 | alusion | i tried using fuser |
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| 07:05.59 | shagelito | marcidy: so im good for a reboot right? If yeah, can you specify wich drive should i boot ? |
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| 07:07.55 | marcidy | shagelito: i dont know at this stage. you can try. if you get to grub propt, try set root=(hd1,gpt4) then boot |
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| 07:11.35 | shagelito | marcidy: okay tryin brb |
| 07:12.00 | arun | Guys may be the server is ON http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi |
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| 07:26.27 | shagelito | marcidy: okay. So i booted without sucess but, when i booted from the grub2 cd, i booted from (hd1,gpt4)/boot/grub/grub.cfg. THEN I saw a proper grub |
| 07:26.31 | shagelito | with my w8 |
| 07:26.47 | marcidy | aesome |
| 07:27.07 | shagelito | marcidy: well not that awesome, i still need to boot from the cd ! |
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| 07:27.55 | shagelito | marcidy: the only thing im sure now, its that my grub is here, on hd1,gpt4 |
| 07:28.24 | shagelito | marcidy: can you show me that command you requested for seeing my parts info ? |
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| 07:29.44 | marcidy | shagelito: it was in your /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 07:31.10 | marcidy | shagelito: when i had a similar problem, i had to do a map(hd0,1) (hd1,0) in my grub.cfg |
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| 07:31.54 | marcidy | shaelito: it was under similar circumstance: i was messing around with everything related to booting. give me a few mins, need to read up if that is still something that can be done |
| 07:33.52 | marcidy | shagelito: when you boot from HD, waht happens? |
| 07:34.28 | shagelito | what ever HD i boot end with a grub error |
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| 07:34.52 | marcidy | shagelito: same error? |
| 07:34.55 | shagelito | yep |
| 07:35.03 | marcidy | shagelito: what's the error? |
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| 07:35.11 | marcidy | shagelito: sorry if we already went ove this |
| 07:35.14 | debianisnice | not sure what the next thing i should learn on debian. |
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| 07:35.26 | debianisnice | drawing a blank. i need to create /find problems to solve. |
| 07:35.46 | shagelito | "error: invalid arch independant ELF magic. |
| 07:35.46 | shagelito | Entering rescue mode... |
| 07:36.02 | debianisnice | oh yeah i got a problem with the restart via start menu, it doesn't work. I have to reboot in the terminal. Anyone know why that is? |
| 07:36.14 | elkingrey | I'm feeling like a total schmuck right now. I just got a new laptop from thinkpenguin, and it won't even load gnome 3. The specs on the thinkpenguin page just say "Graphics: Intel HD" But it doesn't tell me WHICH intel HD it is or if it supports hardware acceleration. Any ideas? |
| 07:36.15 | shagelito | marcidy: please. seriously. dont be sorry. |
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| 07:39.00 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: it is "Intel HD", used in i-series Pentiums and Celerons. it's the same videochip as in any i3, i5, i7, just slower/less units |
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| 07:39.22 | mumpitze1 | !tell debianisnice about grounding |
| 07:39.57 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: it should load gnome 3 out of the box btw. check your Xorg.0.log and glxinfo output |
| 07:40.18 | debianisnice | you know what you're right, im going to read the debian handbook |
| 07:40.26 | debianisnice | because i think it's worth it to know everything you can about debian. |
| 07:41.27 | shagelito | marcidy: so what i dont get, is how boot from (hd1,gpt4) |
| 07:41.28 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: I'm not sure what to check for in those logs. |
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| 07:41.48 | marcidy | mumpitzel: how would i add the line map (hd0,4) hd(1,4) to grub? It's been about 10 years since i had to do that, and grub has changed. |
| 07:42.21 | arun | guys is Ubiquity a fork of Debian Installer?? |
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| 07:44.49 | shagelito | marcidy: no further advices ? :/ |
| 07:44.57 | marcidy | shagelito: one moment |
| 07:45.05 | shagelito | marcidy: sure |
| 07:45.35 | shagelito | marcidy: oh sorry didnt noticed your activity in the chan |
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| 07:48.25 | marcidy | shagelito: you need to add map (hd0) (hd1) somehwere. i just dont know where |
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| 07:50.40 | shagelito | with all due respect, it sounds like chineese to me. But im copying this statement and im starting working it right now ! |
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| 07:52.18 | RedRYder | I am running Wheezy and when I try to update MySQL programs I get an error message. The details say: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127. Does anyone know what that means and how to fix it? |
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| 07:52.59 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: Will you take a look and see if you can see any reason why Gnome 3 won't load? http://pastebin.com/teQB6hCy |
| 07:53.04 | RedRYder | Also I have started getting a segmentation fault when I start my grid program with Mono. |
| 07:53.08 | imtesting | how do i uninstall something i got via "sudo apt-get install" |
| 07:53.25 | marcidy | imtesting: apt-get remove <package name> |
| 07:53.35 | marcidy | hi |
| 07:54.38 | debianisnice | marcidy: how did you get so good at debian? |
| 07:55.53 | marcidy | debianisnice: im not that good, trust me, but thank you for the compliment. run it for a long time. Everytime you have a problem you learn something new. |
| 07:56.18 | debianisnice | do you use debian to do cool things |
| 07:57.28 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: yes, line 139 |
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| 07:57.42 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: pastebin the output of lspci -nn and dmesg |
| 07:58.02 | themill | RedRYder: it would be helpful to see the entire output |
| 07:58.10 | marcidy | debianisnice: what do you consider cool? |
| 07:58.38 | debianisnice | like genius stuff |
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| 07:59.20 | RedRYder | themill, How do I show that ? |
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| 07:59.49 | themill | RedRYder: copy the entire output and paste it into http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 08:01.35 | RedRYder | Which browser do I use |
| 08:02.12 | marcidy | debianisnice: the real geniuses are the ones writing programs and moving debian forward. I just use it. I'm hoping one day to contribute something useful to the stack |
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| 08:02.32 | debianisnice | you got to be a genius to be able to write programs? |
| 08:02.52 | cafuego | Just sufficiently frustrated with the current ofeerings. |
| 08:02.56 | marcidy | debianisnice: you just have to want to |
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| 08:05.08 | RedRYder | http://paste.debian.net/2 |
| 08:05.08 | RedRYder | Stacktrace: |
| 08:05.08 | RedRYder | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.08 | RedRYder | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.08 | RedRYder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.41 | RedRYder | Sorry for that I didn't know how else to get it up there. |
| 08:06.57 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: pastebin.com/4TQjXcBP and http://pastebin.com/JkZbye3P |
| 08:07.13 | debianisnice | what's the hardest thing to use in debian? |
| 08:07.36 | mumpitze1 | debianisnice: the brain |
| 08:09.30 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: your cpu (and therefore videochip) is too new for the 3.2 kernel. get a newer kernel from wheezy backports. |
| 08:09.45 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: when 3.2 kernel was put into debian there was no haswell CPU yet in existence |
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| 08:11.43 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: In my own research I've stumbled across these mesa packages. You don't think installing those could help, do you? |
| 08:11.56 | shagelito | marcidy: sudo grub-install --force /dev/sde1 would do the trick ? |
| 08:13.03 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: which mesa packages from where? |
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| 08:13.24 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: and no, unless you kernel recognizes haswell properly, nothing will help |
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| 08:14.20 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: These instructions? http://backports.debian.org/news/Backports_integrated_into_the_main_archive/ |
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| 08:16.18 | zacts | hi. network-manager seems to disconnect often with usb wifi devices.. |
| 08:16.41 | zacts | is there an alternative network manager I can use that is better? |
| 08:16.43 | imtesting | if i have two repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and 1 package has old versions in one repo and another has new versions, which one is selected when i try to install with apt-get install <packagename> |
| 08:16.50 | marcidy | shagelito: that may work. |
| 08:17.16 | shagelito | marcidy: i mean sudo grub-install --force /dev/sdb4 |
| 08:17.44 | marcidy | shagelito: that's where your grub is already instaelled |
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| 08:18.52 | patriku | zacts: you can use wicd ( and some others ) after disabling network-manager, but i am not sure whether it helps or not. Any decent network daemon should connect automaticaly if set up so. |
| 08:18.53 | imtesting | any ideas |
| 08:19.06 | imtesting | there is no indication given in the Y/N prompt |
| 08:19.18 | imtesting | as to which repo it is pulling from. or what version it is pulling |
| 08:19.39 | marcidy | imtesting: you can use aptitude to inspect the versions |
| 08:19.58 | zacts | patriku: @ least I can debug whether network-manager has a bug if wicd works. |
| 08:20.04 | zacts | and I'll have a working connection |
| 08:20.08 | zacts | :D |
| 08:20.15 | zacts | (^_^) |
| 08:20.55 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: Okay, I think I've got it. Here are the instruction: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ But I don't know what the name of the "package" is for the kernel. |
| 08:21.15 | patriku | zacts: you could find out device id by using lsusb and then try to make some research on that basis and see if you should worry about network daemon more than the driver. |
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| 08:22.11 | patriku | zacts: you are right. |
| 08:22.13 | marcidy | god damn i may have found it |
| 08:22.57 | zacts | patriku: I figure switching daemons is quicker |
| 08:23.20 | zacts | although this problem persists no matter which of my wifi devices I use, usb |
| 08:23.25 | zacts | linksys and atheros |
| 08:23.33 | sabgenton | the bot says (when you type ssb) to apt-get --build unstable packages from source if your on debian stable and desperate for a package, what does compiling from deb-src archive opposed to getting from deb unstable ? |
| 08:23.48 | zacts | so I don't think it's a specific firmware or specific driver issue, but may be a usb issue? |
| 08:24.02 | zacts | but I'll try daemon first |
| 08:24.24 | patriku | zacts: as i said, you are right, you have to start from somewhere, to take first step somehow. Switching daemons is one. |
| 08:24.59 | patriku | zacts: you will find out soon I believe. ;) |
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| 08:29.52 | elkingrey | I'm running wheezy and want to install the backports kernel, what is the package name for that? |
| 08:30.48 | marcidy | shagelito: all i have right now is the drivemap -s (hd0) (hd1) command, but i can't find where to put it |
| 08:30.58 | marcidy | i have to sign off, but I'll be around tomorrow |
| 08:31.07 | sabgenton | yay docs say "Another common use of Debian sources is to adapt a more recent version of a program, from the unstable distribution, for example, for use with the stable distribution. Compiling a package against stable will generate .debs with dependencies adjusted to match the packages available in this distribution." |
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| 08:34.20 | shagelito | marcidy: Ok. I tryed a new boot. In my bios i have to same configuration : 2 PO Debian blablablabla. |
| 08:34.33 | shagelito | marcidy: the uggyl news is that w8 wont load anymore |
| 08:34.38 | shagelito | sayin boot is fucked |
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| 08:35.13 | shagelito | marcidy: looks like im facing a wall. right ? |
| 08:35.33 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: the name of the kernel pakcage is always linux-image* |
| 08:35.54 | mumpitze1 | !tell elkingrey about wheezy backports |
| 08:35.56 | shagelito | btw, if anyone here is up to give any help, it would be greatly apreciated. |
| 08:36.01 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: you will also need new initramfs-tools |
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| 08:36.44 | mumpitze1 | shagelito: I don't have UEFI hardware, but my guess is you need to remove the "Debian" listing in your UEFI BIOS |
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| 08:37.13 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: So, "sudo apt-get install linux-image initramfs-tools" ? |
| 08:37.37 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: no. please read the factoid more carefully |
| 08:37.42 | shagelito | mumpitze1: to me a UEFI bios is a graphical bios. I dont have such a bios. |
| 08:37.47 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: and learn how to search for packages. /msg dpkg search |
| 08:38.08 | mumpitze1 | shagelito: you have an EFI partition. what hardware/mainboard do you have? |
| 08:38.54 | shagelito | what do you mean by "hardware/mainboard" ? |
| 08:38.58 | mumpitze1 | shagelito: and if you have "Debian" in your BIOS, then it certainly is not a BIOS but UEFI. BIOS doesn't have this capability |
| 08:39.03 | mumpitze1 | shagelito: what mainboard do you have? |
| 08:39.25 | shagelito | excuse my french. Mainboard, you mean laptop ? |
| 08:39.43 | mumpitze1 | that's why I wrote "hardware" too. so yes, what laptop? |
| 08:39.44 | shagelito | Asus laptop. I see debian threw the choice of boot orders |
| 08:40.21 | mumpitze1 | that doesn't answer the question. there are many |
| 08:40.49 | shagelito | holdon im looking for the full name |
| 08:41.34 | mumpitze1 | shagelito: doesn't matter. if you can see "debian" in your BIOS it's UEFI. and it doesn't have to be graphical to be that, especially not on a laptop |
| 08:41.37 | shagelito | mumpitze1: asus n76 |
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| 08:42.30 | shagelito | mumpitze1: rgr that. so assuming i messed up everything. Where should i start ? |
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| 08:44.20 | mumpitze1 | with learning about UEFI is my guess. cause that entry in your BIOS might be wrong. you need to let you show it at least where it is pointing to |
| 08:44.21 | kleanchap^ | How do you list only directories? I forgot a the switch for the "ls" command. |
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| 08:46.21 | mumpitze1 | start with UEFIShell, efivars. the debian docs for these kind of things seem to suck however, e.g. the wiki |
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| 08:48.14 | mumpitze1 | kleanchap^: you cannot display diretories only with ls. find however can afaik |
| 08:49.16 | kleanchap^ | mumpitze1: Thnx |
| 08:50.02 | shagelito | mumpitze1 / marcidy : thks anyway for all help provided |
| 08:50.31 | babilen | mumpitze1, kleanchap^: ls -ld /path/to/dir |
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| 08:51.38 | Brilliant | kleanchap^: but not forget man ls |
| 08:52.27 | babilen | kleanchap^: In case it wasn't obvious: It is "-d" -- and a look into the manpage answers that in a second as Brilliant rightlfully mentioned :) |
| 08:54.12 | elkingrey | mumpiztel: it's telling me unable to locate package linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 |
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| 08:57.18 | Brilliant | kleanchap^: man ls | grep directory |
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| 08:58.03 | babilen | Brilliant: no, why? |
| 08:58.53 | kleanchap^ | Brilliant: find command is a better option. find . -type d -depth 1 |
| 08:59.03 | babilen | Brilliant: We have "ls --help" for that ;) (check the manpage) |
| 08:59.08 | babilen | kleanchap^: Why is that? |
| 08:59.21 | kleanchap^ | babilen: try it. |
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| 09:00.36 | sabgenton | this post seems to say apt-get --build ing a package means you have to remove it by handhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238898&p=1394089#post1394089 |
| 09:00.41 | sabgenton | is this true? |
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| 09:01.33 | sabgenton | doesn't the proccess make a .deb that in turn provides uninstallation ? |
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| 09:06.41 | Brilliant | babilen: yes youre right |
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| 09:09.19 | nullbyte_ | how can I enable sound in xfce? |
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| 09:14.06 | jaami | what is command for detailed hardware information |
| 09:14.40 | mumpitze1 | babilen: this will display all files, including directories. it will not display disrectories only |
| 09:14.49 | bazhang | lshw |
| 09:14.56 | mumpitze1 | sabgenton: it does |
| 09:15.05 | mumpitze1 | nullbyte_: does sound in general work? |
| 09:15.12 | jaami | thanks bazhang |
| 09:15.18 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: and how are you trying to install said package? |
| 09:15.28 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: ie with what command? |
| 09:16.35 | jaami | bazhang, that is not any command. got error |
| 09:16.38 | JyZyXEL | if i have two dhcp interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, how do i define which one gets the default route? |
| 09:16.45 | mumpitze1 | !tell jaami about installit |
| 09:17.06 | jaami | thanks mumpitze1 |
| 09:17.52 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: Well, I guess I was giving the wrong package name. I decided to go into synaptic to browse, and the package name that looks like what I want is called "linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64" then I tried installed from synaptic and it's giving me dependencies errors. |
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| 09:18.20 | sabgenton | mumpitze1: ok the forum post was talking about source debs as if you where compiling a tar or worse |
| 09:18.34 | sabgenton | but as you say it does remmove /purge if you wish |
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| 09:20.33 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: How come all of these backports don't have the debian symbol next to them in synaptic package manager? |
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| 09:23.40 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: cause backports is not a default debian repo or cause they aren't signed by the same keys as the normal debian repos |
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| 09:24.08 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: use apt-get to install it. and I told you you will need initramfs-tools too |
| 09:25.14 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: I've already got initramfs-tools installed, I need backports of that too? |
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| 09:25.59 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 09:26.37 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: I don't see a backports package for initramfs-tools, at least not in synaptic |
| 09:26.50 | mumpitze1 | I told you not to use synaptic |
| 09:26.54 | mumpitze1 | ,v initramfs-tools |
| 09:26.55 | judd | Package: initramfs-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 0.98.8; squeeze-backports: 0.99~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.113~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.115; sid: 0.115 |
| 09:27.14 | elkingrey | nevermind, I take that back, there is one installed without the debian symbol and it's version 0.109.1 |
| 09:28.02 | JyZyXEL | in /etc/network/intrfaces, is this a good way to make sure eth0 always has the default route: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=T8ACgPyy |
| 09:28.09 | elkingrey | so, it's called "initramfs-tools-0.113-bpo70+1" ? |
| 09:28.51 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: yes, but that is not what you write on your commandline to install it |
| 09:29.01 | elkingrey | What do I write? |
| 09:29.20 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: you read the backports documentation and you will know |
| 09:29.38 | mumpitze1 | also you learn how to install any packags with apt-get |
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| 09:30.02 | elkingrey | I'm used to installing packages with apt-get |
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| 09:31.20 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: So far I have "linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64" but that's it. |
| 09:31.45 | Mr_Queue | Anyone else seeing Chineese on Youtube tonight? |
| 09:31.58 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 09:32.09 | mumpitze1 | Mr_Queue: billions of chinese people supposedly |
| 09:32.17 | mumpitze1 | Mr_Queue: but how this is debian related I have no clue |
| 09:32.31 | Mr_Queue | How are you Debian related? |
| 09:32.39 | Mr_Queue | Point me. |
| 09:32.39 | mumpitze1 | !tell Mr_Queue about OT |
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| 09:32.54 | Mr_Queue | mumpitze1: Stop being a muppet. |
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| 09:33.10 | Mr_Queue | I'm very well aware of this channel. |
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| 09:33.24 | mumpitze1 | then please be quiet unless you have something on topic to relate. thank you |
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| 09:33.38 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: I've read those directions already. |
| 09:33.52 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: and what have you learned should your apt-get commandline be? |
| 09:33.59 | Mr_Queue | mumpitze1: Thanks for joining us this decade. |
| 09:34.26 | Mr_Queue | Could you please show me anything else I may need to know about this channel or Debian> |
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| 09:34.42 | Mr_Queue | Bang on some bots? |
| 09:34.49 | Mr_Queue | Seem important.. |
| 09:35.43 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: How about this "sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 initramfs-tools" ? |
| 09:35.52 | mumpitze1 | looks good! |
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| 09:36.01 | elkingrey | Okay, giving try now. |
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| 09:38.59 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: Okay, it's downloading. How is one supposed to know about the initramfs-tools package being necessary as well? These instructions don't mention anything about it, and it was part of what was throwing me off: http://wiki.ipiphony.com/index.php/Install_Newer_Kernel_from_Debian%27s_Backports |
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| 09:45.06 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: Well, the good news is everything installed and rebooted fine. The bad news is that it still only loaded gnome 2 |
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| 10:09.58 | Zap-W | hi |
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| 10:10.12 | Zap-W | has anyone experienced problems with dual boot win7 and debian where wireless would fail to start when rebooting the computer from win7 to ubuntu, if I replugg the wireless to the usb port it starts working again |
| 10:10.15 | musca | elkingrey: gnome3 in wheezy needs 3D graphics otherwise it uses a fallback mode that looks a bit like gnome2 |
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| 10:12.03 | elkingrey | musca: How do I get these 3d graphics? |
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| 10:13.39 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 10:18.29 | cardiel | how do i disable ipv6 in wheezy? i disabled it via grub but then nmap didnt work properly..is there any other way to do it? |
| 10:19.01 | Dagger2 | why are you disabling it in the first place? |
| 10:19.12 | cardiel | Dagger2: i don't need it |
| 10:19.32 | Dagger2 | well, apparently you do ;) |
| 10:19.38 | Dagger2 | easiest to just ignore it |
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| 10:20.02 | cardiel | hehe :) , yeah maybe for nmap.. |
| 10:20.41 | cardiel | what do you mean? |
| 10:21.02 | cardiel | ignore it how? |
| 10:21.15 | musca | elkingrey: what vga card do you use? look it up with: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 10:21.44 | Dagger2 | I mean, leave it enabled. it won't do any harm |
| 10:22.00 | Dagger2 | and when you realize you need it in the future, you won't have to work out how you disabled it |
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| 10:22.46 | cardiel | Dagger2: ok, i will disable it for every service then instead so ssh,exim etc wont listen on it |
| 10:22.49 | cardiel | thx |
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| 10:29.47 | elkingrey | musca: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) |
| 10:30.21 | musca | shiny new haswell :) |
| 10:30.40 | elkingrey | Yeah, but no gnome 3 =( |
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| 10:34.51 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: probably you need new Xorg/mesa/etc stack too |
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| 10:35.26 | mumpitze1 | maybe, just maybe you can compile your own xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 10:35.36 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: do you have a /dev/fb0 now? |
| 10:35.49 | musca | mumpitze1: yes, there is no newer version in backports |
| 10:36.25 | mumpitze1 | musca: I know |
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| 10:38.40 | elkingrey | Are there any strictly free gnu/linux versions that are a bit more cutting edge than Debian? |
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| 10:40.31 | dsockwell | Is there a Right Way to verify the integrity of an initramfs on boot? |
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| 10:43.01 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: use jessie. install it in a chroot to test |
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| 10:43.57 | mumpitze1 | dsockwell: it's a gzip ardchive. you can verify it like any other gzip archive |
| 10:44.02 | dsockwell | i'm reading that mkinitrd has a fips feature to do some integrity checks |
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| 10:44.31 | dsockwell | mumpitze1: particularly i'm looking for unauthorized modifications, not necessarily corruption |
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| 10:45.26 | mumpitze1 | dsockwell: mkinitrd is old and hasn't been used for a while btw |
| 10:45.36 | dsockwell | yes i just caught that |
| 10:45.56 | dsockwell | there's dracut-fips also |
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| 10:50.09 | dsockwell | mumpitze1: i'm going to explore exactly what this fips capability does. thanks for listening :) |
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| 11:14.39 | aAkasyadeblonc | hi guys, i've been trying to add a user to the group called adm |
| 11:14.59 | aAkasyadeblonc | but whenever i enter this command, it says user already exist |
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| 11:15.14 | xand | aAkasyadeblonc: gpasswd -a username adm |
| 11:15.20 | aAkasyadeblonc | however when i id the user, it does not show that it has join the adm group |
| 11:15.36 | aAkasyadeblonc | xand: ah i see |
| 11:15.38 | aAkasyadeblonc | thank you |
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| 11:16.32 | aAkasyadeblonc | xand: you're here too? u must be really bz |
| 11:17.21 | xand | is omnipresent |
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| 11:20.07 | amontero | hi all. |
| 11:20.09 | amontero | has Debian anonscm moved? I can't connect since a couple days ago: |
| 11:20.11 | amontero | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/anonscm.debian.org |
| 11:20.13 | amontero | TIA |
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| 11:21.49 | amontero | (could not find any relevant news/notice in debian.org home) |
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| 11:45.46 | Aurinko | Hi everyone, what's the equivalent to kiconedit in gnome? Or any package to edit icons? |
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| 11:52.49 | cardiel | im having problem with copying file to either a samba or nfs share with debian as a client.. it hangs after roughly 700mb and i have to kill the process.. is this a debian bug? |
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| 11:56.46 | twostone | cardiel: might be a sync. How long did you wait before you killed the process? |
| 11:57.44 | twostone | was it just one big file you transferred, or was it many small ones? |
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| 11:59.05 | cardiel | twostone: it happend many times, so after 5 mins or something i kill the process.. the computer hangs also if i dont kill it |
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| 11:59.28 | cardiel | twostone: so it could be that it is still copying the file just that i cant see the progress? |
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| 12:02.05 | twostone | cardiel: You will not necessarily see the real progress. The files are loaded into the RAM, then transferred to the other machines RAM, then written to the disk. Not exactly technically correct, but imagine it is so for the sake of simplification. Now, a hard drive is a lot slower than RAM, so it takes a while for the buffer (RAM) to be emptied. In the meantime, the machine that you sent |
| 12:02.21 | twostone | the file from will be waiting for an ACK. |
| 12:02.25 | twostone | Thus the hang. |
| 12:03.08 | twostone | Still not technically correct in explanation, just something pieced together from a few complex processes. |
| 12:03.33 | twostone | Bottom line is: The more data you copy, the larger the buffer, the longer the hang. |
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| 12:04.08 | twostone | Something I observed, might not be true for your setup. |
| 12:04.42 | cardiel | twostone: ok, im copying the file via mc. and the speed drops to 3mb/s when i have around 9mb/s in the other direction.. this was a 700mb file.. if i go with a larger file , the speed drops even more.. |
| 12:05.14 | cardiel | twostone: with windows the speed was stable at 6mn/s |
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| 12:05.24 | cardiel | 6mb/s so there must be a bug or something |
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| 12:06.58 | twostone | dang, a heterogenous setup. I hate these. I can not explain the peculiarities to both operating systems and server/client setups, but what is your actual link? 100mbit/s? |
| 12:08.02 | cardiel | its wireless so actually 150mb/s |
| 12:08.09 | cardiel | mbit |
| 12:09.07 | cardiel | i tried to connect with cable instead and the problem still appears |
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| 12:10.04 | mumpitze1 | 6 MByte/s is normal for a 150Mbit/s WLAN link. WLAN is horribly inefficient |
| 12:10.33 | twostone | I'd never transfer large files over wifi, but that's my preferrence, since electronics is my background, not IT. |
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| 12:13.47 | cardiel | mumpitze1: 6 mbyte/s is normal but if it goes down to 2-3mbyte/s , thats not normal |
| 12:14.54 | C4709 | Is it possible to upgrade Debian 5 (lenny) to Debian 7 (wheezy) directly ? |
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| 12:15.42 | themill | no, you need to go via squeeze |
| 12:16.16 | C4709 | okay, thanks themill |
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| 12:19.38 | mumpitze1 | cardiel: that's a wlan problem, not a samba one usually |
| 12:20.11 | cardiel | mumpitze1: but i tried with cable instead of wlan and it didn't work either... |
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| 12:21.37 | cardiel | mumpitze1: the speed is ofcourse much better when i connect with cable but when i transfer large files the process hangs after a while.. |
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| 12:22.16 | mumpitze1 | it shouldn't and I use samba+windows too |
| 12:22.30 | mumpitze1 | cardiel: which one is the server? windows or debian? |
| 12:23.14 | cardiel | mumpitze1: my client and server is debian.. i used my girlfriends computer to test with windows |
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| 12:23.46 | mumpitze1 | is the server a slow cpu? |
| 12:23.49 | cardiel | with windows i work but with debian both as client and server it wont work |
| 12:23.54 | cardiel | no. core2duo |
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| 12:24.48 | mumpitze1 | if it's like this then it's not samba but the CIFS filesystem in the kernel |
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| 12:25.22 | cardiel | i will try with nfs and see if the problem goes away |
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| 12:37.22 | Guest24367 | I have just installed Debian Wheezy on a new box ... and after rebooting I don't appear to have a working network. Any suggestions, please? |
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| 12:37.50 | Guest24367 | I've tried manually configuring /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp, but the dhcp server is not found |
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| 12:38.07 | Guest24367 | I've tried manually configuring a static IP in the same way, but the machine is not pingable |
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| 12:38.26 | Guest24367 | So, I conclude that there must be a problem initialising the network device |
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| 12:39.14 | Guest24367 | dmesg has nothing of particular interested, here's what it says: |
| 12:39.15 | Worf | Guest24367: compare ifconfig with ifconfig -a, check what devices you have, etc ... try dhclient on different interfaces if there are more than you did expect ... |
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| 12:39.42 | ompaul | !tell Guest24367 about paste |
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| 12:40.13 | Guest24367 | Pasting is going to be a trifle difficult without a network connection |
| 12:40.38 | Guest24367 | ifconfig tells me I have eth0 and lo, no surprises there |
| 12:40.51 | Worf | and "dhclient eth0" doesn't work? |
| 12:41.00 | Guest24367 | let me try |
| 12:41.28 | Guest24367 | it's hanging at the moment |
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| 12:43.17 | toresbe | that ought to at the very least double the speed |
| 12:43.22 | toresbe | oops, #wrong |
| 12:44.26 | Guest24367 | Ok, I seem to have life now, but I had to kill network-manager first |
| 12:44.50 | Worf | Guest24367: aah - ok, well, network manager makes things different |
| 12:45.00 | Guest24367 | Well, it's a clean, out of the box install |
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| 12:45.37 | Guest24367 | What do I need to do to make it work properly? It's a wired connection, I'm happy to remove network-manager |
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| 12:47.04 | Guest24367 | Hmm. Removing network-manager removes gnome... |
| 12:47.15 | Worf | Guest24367: well, you have several choices. either let network-manager handle the connection, then it must NOT be handled in /etc/network/interfaces , or you use the latter, but that would not handle un- and replugging |
| 12:47.39 | Guest24367 | Well, I'd be ever so happy to let network-manager handle the connection ... if it worked |
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| 12:47.57 | Guest24367 | But when I booted it simply sat there trying to connect, and failed to get a dhcp lease. |
| 12:48.12 | Guest24367 | I only got a working dhcp lease after killing it and then running dhclient eth0 |
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| 12:50.16 | Worf | hmm ... unfortunately i'm not that familiar with it. i remember every now and then failing to get a dhcp lease. but i just replugged the cable, triggering network manager to try again. happened very rarely. and i know my network cables are kinda bad. |
| 12:50.35 | Guest24367 | Hmm. Maybe I'll swap the network cable and try again |
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| 12:54.46 | Guest24367 | Hahaha! Thanks Worf, that seems to have done the trick! |
| 12:55.13 | Guest24367 | Strange, though -- it managed to do the install ok with that cable. Ah well, on to the next problem |
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| 12:59.21 | FreezingCold | Where can the checksums be found on this page? http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debianutils.html |
| 13:00.16 | Worf | FreezingCold: what checksums do you mean? |
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| 13:00.40 | FreezingCold | Worf: preferably sha512. Or md5. Or gpg |
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| 13:01.37 | Worf | FreezingCold: i mean: i didn't understand the question |
| 13:01.54 | FreezingCold | Worf: Do you know what a sha512 checksum is? |
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| 13:02.35 | xand | FreezingCold: the checksums are with the downloads |
| 13:02.44 | TheShrubber | FreezingCold: Regex? |
| 13:02.52 | xand | FreezingCold: which are linked from that page |
| 13:02.54 | FreezingCold | xand: ah, in which folder/file? |
| 13:03.03 | Worf | FreezingCold: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt might help you |
| 13:03.33 | themill | FreezingCold: they're in the Packages file on the mirror and apt checks this for you |
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| 13:06.22 | FreezingCold | themill: thanks. Actually, I'm getting the .tar.gz and packaging it for another distro :) |
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| 13:06.36 | FreezingCold | So I was wondering if there was an easier way to get a .sig |
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| 13:06.58 | themill | FreezingCold: well that checksum is in the Sources file in the mirror |
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| 13:07.14 | FreezingCold | themill: but I'd have to download the whole package, no? |
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| 13:07.35 | themill | no |
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| 13:07.46 | FreezingCold | themill: uh... link? |
| 13:07.58 | themill | for what? |
| 13:08.31 | FreezingCold | themill: you just said I could download the checksum without downloading the whole package |
| 13:08.34 | FreezingCold | I want that link |
| 13:08.34 | Guest24367 | Any compelling reason why ntp is not installed by default? |
| 13:08.46 | themill | FreezingCold: the hashes are the Sources file |
| 13:09.02 | FreezingCold | it's http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debianutils/debianutils_4.4.dsc |
| 13:09.03 | FreezingCold | thanks |
| 13:10.17 | themill | apt only looks at the hashes in the Sources file; dpkg-source will use the dsc file |
| 13:10.46 | Worf | FreezingCold: now i understand your question, you wanted to know how/where to find the debian maintainers checksum/signature for the debian source package ... :) |
| 13:11.38 | Guest24367 | Does Debian have an easy to use Update Manager? I'm going to have leave this machine for my mother to administer... |
| 13:11.41 | FreezingCold | Worf: yeah, so I can plug it into another package manager :p |
| 13:11.58 | FreezingCold | Guest24367: install SSH and remotely log in every few months yourself |
| 13:12.21 | bstarek | Guest24367, yes, aptitude is very easy to use |
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| 13:14.23 | Worf | Guest24367: now this really isn't against your mother or so, but ... if you remain responsible for the machine, you shouldn't give that powers to a user, no matter what OS. |
| 13:14.38 | Worf | i had to learn that with my family too |
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| 13:15.21 | twostone | power shared is power lost. |
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| 13:15.59 | Worf | initially they kinda complaned not being able to install <insert random crap they found on the internet> on their own, but in the long time this kept me from investing a whole day fixint things everytime i visit |
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| 13:19.23 | flufmnstr | keep track of security updates, ssh in and update it as needed in the background every month or so. |
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| 13:30.04 | gnmearacaun | Guest24367: certain desktop environments, like xfce, have a handy update notifier. |
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| 13:31.19 | gnmearacaun | can someone tell me if having bothe wheezy and testing in my repo will eventually break my system? |
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| 13:32.40 | mumpitze1 | !tell gnmearacaun about frankendebian |
| 13:32.42 | mumpitze1 | yes it will |
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| 13:34.45 | gnmearacaun | meh, maybe that's why I'm having problems booting etc., though the installation is 5yrs old; what's best to do at this stage, just pick one or the other? |
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| 13:36.39 | gnmearacaun | (I intend to do a fresh install at some point) but in the short term I can just commment out either one, right |
| 13:37.38 | mumpitze1 | pick testing and do a proper upgrade to it |
| 13:38.16 | gnmearacaun | cool, there's no going back! gotta go forward!! |
| 13:39.33 | gnmearacaun | mumpitze1: a proper upgrade means what? I use aptitude; just 'u' 'U' and away she goes? |
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| 13:40.53 | gnmearacaun | once wheezy is c'd o |
| 13:42.06 | gnmearacaun | *commented out |
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| 13:45.06 | ddeeff | Hi. How can I tell whether my installation has any kernel modules by its file system? |
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| 13:46.09 | toresbe | ddeeff: What do you mean? |
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| 13:46.24 | toresbe | ddeeff: Do you want to know if you have the modules stored on your FS? |
| 13:46.37 | mumpitze1 | gnmearacaun: dist-upgrade your debian wheezy, then dist-upgrade to jessie and stay there |
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| 13:46.55 | julius_ | hi |
| 13:47.19 | ddeeff | I can mount the hard drive of the system, but I need to know whether I have any modules installed (and what modules) before I can use chroot, according to the guides I am using |
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| 13:47.25 | gnmearacaun | mumpitze1: thanks dude |
| 13:48.21 | julius_ | ive got a external drive with a working debian on it, it can be booted from the grub thats intalled on the internal harddrive. so what happens in i do: grub-install /dev/externaldrive ? will it install on the external drive and make it bootable? |
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| 13:55.17 | giuscri | To use a proxy in Debian don't I need only to export $http_proxy as '<proxyAddress:port>'? |
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| 13:55.57 | giuscri | Sounds I'm wrong since http://amibehindaproxy.com tells me I'm still **not** behind a proxy. |
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| 13:56.07 | giuscri | I'm using Chromium. |
| 13:56.35 | Granjow | digikam crashes here every single time I open the Captions/Tags tab. I'm on debian sid. Backtrace: http://codepad.org/qxFHbOob |
| 13:57.11 | Granjow | It leads back to somewhere in QLineEdit or KLineEdit |
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| 13:58.58 | Granjow | Gilles Caulier said it may be a shared library problem in debian. |
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| 14:00.06 | Dudytz | hi all .. is the debian sid works "like" ubuntu for desktop use? (gnome desktop) |
| 14:01.02 | Dudytz | or is very buggy? |
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| 14:02.42 | twostone | it has a few quirks every now and then... |
| 14:02.57 | bzed | Dudytz: better use testing, usually less buggy than sid. but everything might happen :) my wild guess is that a current debian testing is always better than some ubuntu stuff. but well, ymmv.. ;) |
| 14:03.08 | Guest24367 | Does the Debian default Gnome desktop install come with a printer admin applet, or do I need to go through localhost:631? |
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| 14:03.51 | Guest24367 | Am on a fresh Wheezy install and can't see anything under Admin |
| 14:03.52 | aAkasyadeblonc | hey guys, is there a GUI that is like "likewise" for debian? |
| 14:04.25 | Dudytz | the problem is that I love the gnome 3.8, and in testing now is the gnome 3.4 |
| 14:04.29 | Dudytz | :) |
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| 14:04.50 | Dudytz | is a way to install gnome 3.8 in debian testing? |
| 14:04.56 | Dudytz | or is not a good idea |
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| 14:08.40 | dvs | Dudytz: It's already in unstable so it's just a matter of time because it gets to testing. |
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| 14:08.52 | eflynn | I have both emacs23 and emacs24 info files. everytime i look at the info with C-h i it comes up as emacs23. how do i switch |
| 14:09.02 | dvs | s/because/before/ |
| 14:09.04 | eflynn | ,emacs |
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| 14:11.04 | Dudytz | dvs: great! but, if I do a testing installing now (with gnome 3.4) ... when gnome 3.8 gets to testing the "upgrade" is safe and automaticaly? or I need to reinstall the gnome environment? |
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| 14:11.55 | dvs | Dudytz: testing is not safe so safety is already out the window. |
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| 14:13.30 | Guest24367 | Hmm. Just added a printer, and generated the message: Error Option 'printer-resolution' has value '(unknown IPP tag)' and cannot be edited. I wonder how broken it is now... |
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| 14:15.42 | Dudytz | dvs: ok, thanks for all! |
| 14:16.18 | Chousuke | IMO testing is about as stable as releases in other distros :P |
| 14:16.30 | Chousuke | well, IME rather than O but anyway |
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| 14:18.11 | Dudytz | ok, I go with testing |
| 14:18.22 | Dudytz | thanks for the tips |
| 14:18.28 | Dudytz | and I love debian LoL |
| 14:18.34 | alfatau | hello all. what's the precompiled debian package for dlib library (http://dlib.net/) ? thank you in advance. |
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| 14:19.49 | Guest24367 | How do I get icons on the desktop? My desktop is completely bare, and I want to populate it with some .desktop files created elsewhere |
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| 14:20.08 | Guest24367 | This is Gnome on a fresh Wheezy install |
| 14:20.54 | Guest24367 | Ah. Found the answer: it's check "have file manager handle the desktop" |
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| 14:21.57 | Dudytz | I have a basic debian debian lxc container installed, but by default, no apt is installed, is there a way to install apt package and it's dependencies? |
| 14:22.48 | Chousuke | is dpkg installed? you can always install the packages manually |
| 14:22.49 | eflynn | how do i look at the scripts in a debian package |
| 14:23.01 | Dudytz | yes dpkg is installed |
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| 14:23.28 | Dudytz | but dpkg down download packages, right? |
| 14:23.31 | uehuehue | http://pastebin.com/m5BQEgJm How does this sources.list look? Do I need to add anything? |
| 14:23.32 | Chousuke | Dudytz: you can tell apt somewhere else to download packages |
| 14:23.41 | Dudytz | *dont download |
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| 14:24.17 | Dudytz | wow, sorry ... I see in the logs a problem in the installation, I do a reinstall |
| 14:24.24 | Dudytz | a problem in the apt download |
| 14:24.31 | dvs | uehuehue: Don't use ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:24.38 | uehuehue | dvs, What should I use? |
| 14:24.47 | dvs | uehuehue: http.debian.net |
| 14:24.53 | uehuehue | ... Why? |
| 14:25.01 | dvs | !ftp.debian.org |
| 14:25.01 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
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| 14:25.42 | Dudytz | http.debian.org is the principal mirror? |
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| 14:26.12 | dvs | !http.debian.net |
| 14:26.13 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>. |
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| 14:27.15 | local | hi all. When will a script inside /etc/cron.monthly start? Exactly on 01st of every month at 00:00 o'clock ? where is the starting date and time defined? |
| 14:27.20 | Leoneof | hi, is it possible to install kde 4.11.3 unstable on jessie? |
| 14:27.48 | dvs | Leoneof: no |
| 14:27.56 | Leoneof | dvs: why not? |
| 14:28.18 | dvs | Leoneof: because youll pull in unstable libraries along with kde |
| 14:28.20 | Worf | i think they are called from /etc/crontab |
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| 14:28.44 | Leoneof | dvs: aha thanks |
| 14:28.52 | dvs | no prob |
| 14:29.01 | alfatau | hello all. is there a precompiled debian package for dlib library (http://dlib.net/) ? thank you in advance. |
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| 14:29.11 | ddeeff | I tried chroot, but got an error message: "/bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". What should I do now? |
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| 14:29.16 | Worf | local: so according to /etc/crontab, the monthly stuff is run at 6h52 |
| 14:29.43 | local | Worf: You're right. Just checked my crontab. Thank you for that kind information, have a nice weekend |
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| 14:31.07 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: you need the library in your chroot |
| 14:31.20 | Arrowmaster | if you have anacron which i think is default it doesnt run exactly then anymore |
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| 14:31.59 | ddeeff | How do I get the library in my chroot? |
| 14:32.11 | mumpitze1 | copy, bind mount, etc |
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| 14:34.05 | ddeeff | You may need to hold my hand a little here, sorry. Copy from where to where? |
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| 14:35.13 | ddeeff | I'm guessing it's copying from the recovery's libraries to the chroot's libraries |
| 14:35.20 | mumpitze1 | from your normal system to inside your chroot. but that's probably not such a good idea |
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| 14:35.33 | mumpitze1 | why do you want a chroot? what for? |
| 14:35.37 | Guest24367 | Where is the screensaver configured? (Sorry, really basic desktop question here!) |
| 14:36.02 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: please tell us the actual problem you want to solve |
| 14:36.04 | babilen | Leoneof: A mixed testing/unstable system is by no means an uncommon setup at this point in the release cycle and you can, naturally, speed up the natural transition of packages from unstable to testing as you see fit. If it breaks you are, as always, allowed to keep the pieces. |
| 14:37.01 | ddeeff | I can't start the system because I upgraded a few libraries to experimental versions. I'm in a recovery mode provided by my hosts, from which I can mount the hard drive, etc |
| 14:37.02 | Arrowmaster | i was running testing/unstable on day one of jessie |
| 14:37.13 | Guest24367 | Hmm. Have found "Brightness and Lock" under System Settings, but no screensavers. Maybe they're not installed? |
| 14:37.25 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: why libraries and why? |
| 14:37.28 | Arrowmaster | and yes its broken now and im keeping both pieces |
| 14:37.50 | ddeeff | These librarries: libc6-amd64 libc6-dev libc6-dbg. I was attempting to get a steam game server working on the machine |
| 14:38.05 | Arrowmaster | ouch |
| 14:38.11 | ddeeff | They requried a more up-to-date version of glibc than I had |
| 14:38.31 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: these libs draged other things in with them. and why experimental? for linux steam, debian testing should be fine |
| 14:38.50 | mumpitze1 | check dpkg.log to see what else came with it and downgrade these things again |
| 14:38.58 | ddeeff | because I blindly followed some advice I found on a post on stackexchange, that's why |
| 14:39.30 | babilen | steam, getting users to break their systems since 2013! |
| 14:39.41 | ddeeff | I did the first reply, then when that didn't work, the last reply: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10863613/how-to-upgrade-glibc-from-version-2-13-to-2-15-on-debian/19671443#19671443 |
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| 14:40.25 | Guest24367 | Nope: gnome-screensaver is installed, but doesn't seem to be configurable... |
| 14:40.54 | babilen | ddeeff: Just to keep it in mind for the future: libc6 is one of if not *the* most important libraries on the system. You really don't want to mess around with that and steam has been packaged by (and for!) Debian in jessie (testing). |
| 14:41.17 | Arrowmaster | gnome probably decided users dont need to be able to configure the screensaver anymore and removed the settings |
| 14:41.18 | aAkasyadeblonc | why the heavens does debian not come with likewise! |
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| 14:41.47 | ddeeff | Yes, a library for C does sound important. |
| 14:41.49 | Guest24367 | Arrowmaster, haha! Sounds likely :( |
| 14:42.18 | Guest24367 | I don't see anything that looks like a configuration widget in its list of installed files |
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| 14:43.17 | Bronze | Hi, how do I find out what "Disk-by-uuid" maps to what device name? (eg /dev/sda<N>) |
| 14:43.31 | Guest24367 | Oh. There's something called gnome-screensaver-dialog ... wonder what invokes that |
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| 14:44.29 | ctmjr | blkid |
| 14:44.32 | ddeeff | so... er... what do I do about the chroot issue? Is it copying the libraries from the recovery mode's libraries to the chroot's libraries a good idea? |
| 14:44.47 | Arrowmaster | Bronze: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 14:47.11 | Leoneof | babilen: i see, thanks |
| 14:47.22 | Guest24367 | Oh my God! Arrowmaster, you were not joking. Upstream Gnome *have* removed screensaver functionality! Buffoons |
| 14:47.32 | Arrowmaster | hahaha |
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| 14:47.46 | Leoneof | babilen: i'm thinking to use netinst-unstable and compile DE on it, ok? :) |
| 14:47.56 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: no it's not. you should already have that library. you broke your system by installing experimental packages. I already told you what to do |
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| 14:48.30 | babilen | Leoneof: I have no idea what you mean by that. The installer is almost certainly not in a state in which I would recommend its usage and what "compile DE" refers to is beyond me :) |
| 14:49.15 | Leoneof | ouch ouch |
| 14:49.55 | trewas | Guest24367: in the case of screensavers they are right at least, a screensaver is nothing but pure waste of energy, better just to poweroff the monitor automagically |
| 14:50.02 | Bronze | Arrowmaster: thanks. By the way, whats the advantage to adding this layer of abstraction? |
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| 14:50.47 | ddeeff | mumpitze1, sorry I am having a hard time with this. You said "copy, bind mount, etc". Is that what I should be doing? |
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| 14:50.58 | Guest24367 | trewas, that's not their call |
| 14:51.27 | Arrowmaster | Bronze: the /dev/sdX#'s can change between reboots, use what i said as a quick lookup but blkid for any scripted uses |
| 14:52.14 | WifiBrain | does debian still support the old-style non-unity gnome desktop on stable? |
| 14:52.44 | drhouse123 | WifiBrain: yes |
| 14:52.52 | WifiBrain | i am wanting to install my workstation at my new job with debian soon, but i really dont like unity or all the touch-friendly bull that seems to be pushed with it, so thats all good |
| 14:52.58 | drhouse123 | WifiBrain: xfce, mate, kde, lxde |
| 14:53.04 | WifiBrain | hmm, those arent gnome |
| 14:53.07 | trewas | Guest24367: they make the DE, so it's their call... sadly, in case of many other decisions they have made :) |
| 14:53.17 | WifiBrain | i suppose theyre gdk based though so should be ok |
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| 14:53.38 | WifiBrain | trewas: sure, but on my laptop ive kept back on an old ubuntu to keep with the non-unity |
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| 14:54.12 | Arrowmaster | i would suggest cinnamon but its completely broken in debian atm |
| 14:54.46 | Guest24367 | Hmm. I've just installed xscreensaver, but can't find a config tool for that either |
| 14:55.02 | Guest24367 | I wonder if it'll fight with gnome-screensaver, though |
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| 14:56.11 | biberao | hi |
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| 14:57.11 | biberao | i have 2 hdds -> hdd1 has windows and hdd2 is supposed to have debian, how can i install grub just on hdd2 mbr or on some partition there but then it gets sdb and seems to screw it all and i even disabled hdd1 on the bios? |
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| 14:57.56 | [E]sc | i'm using kwrite 4.8.3 under wheezy using kde and it keeps forcing the line i'm writing on to be at the very bottom of the page, even if there's room underneath it. Is there a way to turn off this "feature"? |
| 14:58.41 | aAkasyadeblonc | i've always thought that there is nothing debian can't do |
| 14:58.59 | aAkasyadeblonc | and that because of this other distros are even based on it |
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| 14:59.53 | aAkasyadeblonc | perhaps its true but i guess i as a noob, i'm still far away from getting close to making it do what i want like in windows |
| 15:00.47 | ElectronFunBaby | abandon the GUI :) |
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| 15:00.58 | aAkasyadeblonc | but then i see ubuntu, they have different versions and stuff, is there a reason why debian isn't like that? |
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| 15:02.00 | aAkasyadeblonc | well abandoning GUI isnt the issue, its the problem you get after that just trying to perform simple functions like joining a domain and such thats really sucking the fun out of ldebian |
| 15:02.22 | aAkasyadeblonc | :( |
| 15:02.53 | ElectronFunBaby | fair enough, it takes awhile and it does get annoying when you have to look up how to do stuff that is very basic. I gues like anything you gotta screw around and bump into some walls before it all starts to take hold |
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| 15:08.27 | debianisnice | . |
| 15:08.34 | debianisnice | cool surprised it didn't kick me out |
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| 15:08.36 | debianisnice | anyone here? |
| 15:08.46 | ElectronFunBaby | yes |
| 15:08.55 | aAkasyadeblonc | yeah but when there isn't a way out, that sux |
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| 15:10.29 | Bronze | Arrowmaster: thank you again. Been reading up, learning thanks to your info |
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| 15:24.23 | sharpy35 | hey guys, it is possible in Debian 7 to use an external mailserver but use domains like support@yourdomain.com ? |
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| 15:25.22 | honestly | everything is possible |
| 15:25.30 | C00re | i am confused about your question |
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| 15:25.38 | sharpy35 | @honestly: how is this possible? |
| 15:26.22 | honestly | sharpy35: well the mailserver you use will have to support this |
| 15:26.26 | sharpy35 | @C00re: the thing is i dont want to host my own mailserver but be able to have mail accounts like support@yourdomain.com so if someone writes an email to support@yourdomain.com i will get that over the external mailserver |
| 15:27.04 | honestly | sharpy35: yeah, lots of companies make a lot of money offering that |
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| 15:27.21 | Lorcatar | ls |
| 15:27.22 | sharpy35 | you got some examples? |
| 15:27.27 | sharpy35 | honestly? |
| 15:27.31 | honestly | google offers that |
| 15:28.07 | C00re | i am using google apps for my private email |
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| 15:28.53 | C00re | added my domain there with open dns |
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| 15:29.04 | C00re | works fine for my usages |
| 15:31.59 | sharpy35 | ok thanks C00re i will try that out |
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| 15:32.11 | sharpy35 | so just creating an google mail account for that right? |
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| 15:33.37 | local | If several scripts are located inside /etc/cron.monthly, in which order are they executed? Alphabetically, like the output of 'ls -l' ? And are they processed sequential (second one starts only after the first finished) ? Or are they executed all in the same time (parallel) ?? |
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| 15:35.05 | Arrowmaster | sequentially i think |
| 15:35.13 | Arrowmaster | try the anacron man page |
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| 15:37.54 | tremon | see man run-parts |
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| 15:42.48 | tty-1 | There are several peers connected over macvlan private mode to a bridge (named br0). They can't and shouldn't intercommunicate. But now there should be another peer which allows the bridge and all their peers to access eth0. |
| 15:42.49 | tty-1 | But they are isolated from each other, how can an exception be made just for that one peer? |
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| 15:44.16 | tremon | you don't. If I understand you correctly, you create one peer that is connected to both br0 and eth0, and configure it as router |
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| 15:45.32 | tremon | however, if the peers can't communicate, there is no way they can reach the peer that's acting as router either |
| 15:46.38 | tremon | But I don't see why you created a bridge in the first place, if the peers shouldn't be connected to eachother |
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| 15:53.51 | swi | Hello. Does anyone use network-manager-openvpn ? |
| 15:53.53 | ddeeff | OK, after googling around for ages, I still don't get it. What am I meant to do to get chroot to work when it's returning this error: ""/bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". I know I need the library in my chroot, but I have no idea how to get it there |
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| 15:54.47 | swi | ddeeff: check if path to libtinfo.so.5 is nn your ld.conf |
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| 15:56.38 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: chroot /mountpoint /bin/dash |
| 15:57.02 | ddeeff | Thanks |
| 15:57.12 | mumpitze1 | ddeeff: if you want your libtinfo back without having a working debian system, you might need to copy it back there |
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| 15:59.44 | swi | i'm just curious, is this bug with network-manager-openvpn overwriting default route is still there? |
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| 16:02.59 | wildwind | hi all. i connect to the internet via openvpn over ppp (3G usb modem). sometimes 3g gets stalled and i have to physically disconnect and reconnect the modem. then i have to wait for ppp to go up and restart openvpn client. to automate the last part, i put a script with "pkill -USR1 openvpn" in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d. it works. here comes my question: is it the good way to do it? do i miss some drawbacks? |
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| 16:14.29 | uehuehue | Why ppp? |
| 16:15.25 | ddeeff | We're back online! Woo! Thanks for helping everyone. Apparently all I need to do was rebuild the "library config cache" with /sbin/ldconfig after I chrooted in |
| 16:15.39 | wildwind | uehuehue: hmm... do i have any other options? |
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| 16:18.31 | wildwind | to be more clear, pppd is started by network manager when modem is connected and identified |
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| 16:19.11 | Jennifer36 | ati 9000 pci, debian, xvinfo issues, ideas? |
| 16:20.41 | mumpitze1 | !tell Jennifer36 about errors |
| 16:20.55 | mtn | Jennifer36: I have an idea. why don't you write a complete sentence telling us what is happening and what you want to happen and maybe will know what you are talking about. |
| 16:21.02 | Jennifer36 | i'll keep it simple |
| 16:21.05 | tty-1 | tremon: all peers should be isolated from each other and only talk with one peer. But what would be the point of mac vlan private mode when no communication is possible at all? |
| 16:21.22 | Jennifer36 | X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 16:21.22 | Jennifer36 | screen #0 no adaptors present |
| 16:21.40 | mtn | Jennifer36: those aren't complete sentences |
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| 16:22.19 | Jennifer36 | well, um, ok. why isn't xvinfo seeing my adapter? |
| 16:22.23 | Jennifer36 | X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 16:22.24 | Jennifer36 | screen #0 no adaptors present |
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| 16:22.52 | mumpitze1 | cause the xvideo extension doesn't work for your radeon 9000 maybe? |
| 16:23.09 | Jennifer36 | debian doesn't support ati cards? |
| 16:23.23 | mumpitze1 | it does. but maybe your hardware not the xvideo extension? |
| 16:23.39 | tty-1 | Jennifer36: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo / https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 16:24.27 | asuka___ | who |
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| 16:29.02 | Jennifer36 | after installing fimrware, how i can i reinitalize video/gnome/xwindows without killing system? it's a mdadm box |
| 16:29.11 | Jennifer36 | xvinfo still isn't showing any updates |
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| 16:29.43 | tremon | tty-1: macvlan private mode doesn't isolate bridge members from rest of the network, only from eachother. That's why I asked what the point of your setup was |
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| 16:34.29 | musca | Jennifer36: as the driver is splitted in two parts, i think, you would need to restart your radeon kernel modul and your xorg radeon-glx driver |
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| 16:34.59 | musca | i doubt that it is possible without stopping your xorg |
| 16:35.01 | JackTheRipper3 | I have this on the first line of the INPUT table but its not opening the port iptables -I INPUT -i eth0:2 -p tcp -d 74.208.127.36 --dport 6651 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:35.09 | JackTheRipper3 | eth0:2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:99:27:83:cf inet addr:74.208.127.36 Bcast:74.208.127.36 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
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| 16:35.22 | Jennifer36 | i acn stop xorg, just not bring the system down |
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| 16:36.21 | JackTheRipper3 | Why? |
| 16:36.27 | zykotick9 | Jennifer36: do you use a DM? GDM/KDM/lightdm/etc? |
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| 16:38.44 | sharpy35 | does anybody know how to set up postfix and dovecot on debian wheezy (7) ? do you kow good tutorials |
| 16:39.01 | debianisnice | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.06 | debianisnice | it's so fast now after i did all the updates |
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| 16:39.49 | tremon | JackTheRipper3: iptables is not responsible for opening ports, that's the job of the application/service |
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| 16:42.44 | Jennifer36 | zykotick9: gdm |
| 16:43.02 | ChibaPet | sharpy35: wiki.debian.org has articles on both. |
| 16:43.32 | ChibaPet | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix and ... never mind, not seeing a Dovecot article. |
| 16:43.34 | Jennifer36 | stock debian, nothing modified with desktop enviroment. |
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| 16:44.15 | bstarek | sharpy35, there is plenty on google |
| 16:44.30 | zykotick9 | Jennifer36: to restart gdm, as root, "service gdm restart". BUT, I'm guessing you'll have to restart if you installed ati/nvidia drivers... best of luck. |
| 16:44.45 | sharpy35 | bstarek: the ones i found on google dont work for debian wheezy. because config files is now different |
| 16:45.27 | bstarek | sharpy35, did you follow ChibaPet's link? |
| 16:45.51 | sharpy35 | ah i saw it now |
| 16:45.58 | sharpy35 | thanks ChibaPet |
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| 16:46.12 | ChibaPet | sharpy35: The Debian wiki is good, and Dovecot ends up having very little configuration unless you need to integrate SSL, and then most of the complexity isn't Dovecot so much as the SSL itself. |
| 16:46.18 | zykotick9 | Jennifer36: sorry, it's probably gdm3 actually |
| 16:46.22 | ChibaPet | bbl |
| 16:46.35 | sharpy35 | okay cheers ChibaPet |
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| 16:48.00 | ws2k3 | Hello, is there a command i can run to find out if my machine has IPMI ? |
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| 16:50.58 | rockyiii | hi all |
| 16:50.58 | rockyiii | one question |
| 16:50.59 | rockyiii | because this repository said sid? |
| 16:50.59 | rockyiii | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:50.59 | rockyiii | If your packages are testing and said testing iso??? |
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| 16:52.50 | debianisnice | what would happen if i clicked on a virus on linux |
| 16:52.52 | debianisnice | would it affect it |
| 16:53.11 | phogg | debianisnice: It depends. |
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| 16:53.25 | debianisnice | like has there ever been any case when that happened? |
| 16:53.28 | phogg | debianisnice: First of all, what program are you in and what does clicking do? |
| 16:53.42 | debianisnice | hmm let's say it's just a website. |
| 16:53.44 | phogg | debianisnice: Secondly, is the file you're clicking an executable? A .desktop file? |
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| 16:53.53 | debianisnice | just a website i clicked on ad banner |
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| 16:53.58 | debianisnice | and it installs trojan |
| 16:54.01 | phogg | debianisnice: Thirdly, is the virus for Windows or Linux or what? |
| 16:54.08 | debianisnice | yeah that's ag ood question |
| 16:54.10 | debianisnice | how would i know |
| 16:54.15 | debianisnice | since im browsing the internet , could be any |
| 16:54.18 | tremon | by clicking on it, obviously |
| 16:54.36 | phogg | debianisnice: Well, in a browser you should worry less about local exploits and more about browser vulnerabilities. |
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| 16:55.27 | phogg | debianisnice: What browser? Is it iceweasel? Are you running NoScript? RequestPolicy? Other content blockers? |
| 16:55.37 | debianisnice | i'm just talking theoretically |
| 16:55.42 | debianisnice | im on iceweasal right now though |
| 16:55.48 | phogg | debianisnice: these things can keep you safer by use of black or white lists. |
| 16:55.52 | debianisnice | i mean, i just watn to know how secure linux really is |
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| 16:56.16 | tremon | theoretically, clicking on a virus could cause a blackout across the nothern hemisphere |
| 16:56.22 | debianisnice | ;D |
| 16:56.26 | phogg | debianisnice: So let's suppose you clicked on a suspicious link and it triggered a download of a file and when prompted you saved that file to disk, or it saved automatically to e.g. ~/Downloads/ |
| 16:56.39 | debianisnice | i mean, i plan to do some highly financial stuff on linux system |
| 16:56.39 | phogg | debianisnice: so far no harm has been done no matter how malicious that file is |
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| 16:56.58 | debianisnice | i see |
| 16:57.05 | debianisnice | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.13 | debianisnice | i mean, yeah i get what you're saying |
| 16:57.15 | phogg | debianisnice: Now let's suppose you went to the file in your file manager and changed permissions so that it is executable and then double clicked it/ran it. |
| 16:57.29 | debianisnice | then what happens |
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| 16:57.53 | phogg | debianisnice: At that point the malicious program is running as you and has read access to most of your system, write access to your $HOME and a few other places, and it has the chance to try to gain root via a local exploit |
| 16:58.26 | debianisnice | can you use a virus protection at this point? |
| 16:58.32 | phogg | debianisnice: Most of computer security is involved with the protection of remote attackers, many programs (especially user-oriented desktop programs) are not well checked for locally-exploitable vulnerabilities. |
| 16:58.33 | debianisnice | what measure to take |
| 16:58.48 | piece3 | Good evening all |
| 16:58.53 | toni__ | Hi! |
| 16:59.12 | phogg | debianisnice: There are many things you can do. SElinux is a popular choice, using VMs or otherwise containerizing your web browsing can be quite effective |
| 16:59.25 | debianisnice | woudl reformatting work? |
| 16:59.28 | phogg | debianisnice: keeping your system up to date is always a good measure |
| 16:59.29 | debianisnice | or he can still hack me |
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| 17:00.11 | piece3 | I'm trying to setup a second dummy network device, however when running "modprobe dummy numdumies=2" It returns "FATAL: Module dummy not found." |
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| 17:00.20 | phogg | debianisnice: It depends. Against a very sophisticated attacker it can be impossible to know whether you've completely cleaned your system, which is why reinstalling is often recommended. |
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| 17:00.23 | amontero | hi all. |
| 17:00.24 | amontero | has Debian anonscm moved? I can't connect since a couple days ago: |
| 17:00.26 | amontero | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/anonscm.debian.org |
| 17:00.28 | amontero | (could not find any relevant news/notice in debian.org home) |
| 17:00.30 | amontero | TIA |
| 17:00.51 | toni__ | I have frequent resyncs on my mdadm raid 1, although smartctl says all disks are ok. I suspect that the disks "lie" and do not write their caches fast enough when I shut down the computer. |
| 17:00.51 | phogg | amontero: I get pings from it |
| 17:00.53 | tremon | piece3: what's a dummy network device? |
| 17:00.56 | toni__ | any ideas, please? |
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| 17:01.03 | debianisnice | is it possible that even after cleaning the system, the attacker still have access to the router? |
| 17:01.13 | debianisnice | i mean, could he leave traces on the router |
| 17:01.24 | phogg | debianisnice: Maybe, if he also owned the router. |
| 17:01.25 | amontero | phogg: gitweb is not working and a couple of git imports from Launchpad are now failing |
| 17:01.30 | piece3 | tremon: It's a network interface often used for bridging inside virtual machines |
| 17:01.33 | debianisnice | that's scary |
| 17:01.34 | phogg | debianisnice: And again... maybe, it depends on lots of things |
| 17:01.51 | phogg | amontero: well, pings are about all I get from it |
| 17:02.08 | phogg | amontero: checked the mailing list? Maybe there was an announcement |
| 17:02.38 | amontero | phogg: nope, will look beter in d.o home. thx. |
| 17:02.42 | rockyiii | if the iso package is testing because is inside the folder sid_d-i ???? |
| 17:02.48 | rockyiii | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:04.41 | tremon | piece3: purely virtual network devices are called tun/tap interfaces, called tapN on linux |
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| 17:05.20 | tremon | piece3: you create them with tunctl |
| 17:05.30 | piece3 | Ok, I just created one |
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| 17:05.42 | piece3 | tremon: Cheers, I read wrong information somewhere |
| 17:06.04 | tremon | if you need to bridge multiple together, use brctl to create a new bridge device and add only the tapN devices to it |
| 17:06.32 | tremon | as long as you don't include any real interfaces (e.g. eth0) in the bridge, all traffic will remain on the local computer |
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| 17:10.33 | amontero | phogg: found this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/11/msg00001.html , looks related. thx. |
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| 17:14.26 | wildwind | game1: don't spam |
| 17:14.36 | game1 | I need your support for my channel on youtube gamers, please click the link and collaborate with like. Thanks http://youtu.be/fMQ5GTpYVTc |
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| 17:21.37 | piece3 | tremon: thanks for the advice, I was making the tapN device for openvpn, after realising the terminology I used "openvpn --mktun" |
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| 17:24.36 | tremon | glad to be of help :) |
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| 17:25.31 | jelly-home | ,i tinc |
| 17:25.34 | judd | Package tinc (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: Virtual Private Network daemon. Version: 1.0.19-3; Size: 286.3k; Installed: 677k; Homepage: http://www.tinc-vpn.org/ |
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| 17:29.04 | ddeeff | Thanks again for the help, byebye |
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| 17:31.25 | nullbyte_ | sound and xfce? |
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| 17:36.07 | tty-1 | tremon: yes, exactly, the members have to be isolated from each other and speak only with the bridge. |
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| 17:37.45 | tremon | but members don't "speak with a bridge". They speak with other machines connected across that bridge or network |
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| 17:38.46 | tty-1 | tremon: So there should be just one single member 'on the other side' to which can be spoken to by the other members and which can speak with all other members. |
| 17:38.51 | tty-1 | tremon: something like a gateway |
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| 17:40.38 | tremon | if you want to keep your current setup, then that gateway cannot be placed on the same machine. |
| 17:42.13 | tty-1 | tremon: they are virtual machines. |
| 17:43.06 | tremon | that doesn't affect your question |
| 17:43.11 | nullbyte_ | which package is named for qt? |
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| 17:44.17 | tremon | doesn't change the anwer I mean |
| 17:44.23 | tremon | s/anwer/answer/ |
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| 18:02.14 | kephra | moin - is there a list of packages that should be placed on hold to prevent updating kernel, initd, grub, ... |
| 18:02.29 | kephra | s/initd/initrd/ |
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| 18:04.58 | tremon | not really, but dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks could be a start |
| 18:05.40 | kephra | thanks tremon |
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| 18:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | kephra, kernels are upgraded via meta-packages like linux-image-amd64, which you can just uninstall |
| 18:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you even have them |
| 18:06.49 | kephra | thanks, Dibbler |
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| 18:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
| 18:07.08 | kephra | btw, did you play DiscWorld? |
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| 18:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's more something for #debian-offtopic, though... we can move there. and no... not really. also play what? I think there's a computergame, there's a MUD too. (didn't either, though) |
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| 18:10.37 | kephra | *true* its OT - was talking about the MUD |
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| 18:12.59 | MraMaria | Hello. What would you recommend for a Debian server Video/Voice/Text server installation, like Jitsi? |
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| 18:13.41 | falcon2600 | hi, what is the best solution for a complete backup? |
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| 18:15.25 | Worf | falcon2600: you might want to rephrase that / be more specific |
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| 18:17.26 | falcon2600 | Worf: sorry, I'm not such a Debian expert. I don't know if this is the right channel. I'd like to find a solution (open source) software or scripts to backup the entire system and be able to restore it in an esay way... |
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| 18:18.51 | bandwith | falcon2600: there are too many options. it may be easier to limit your scope to backing up user data... |
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| 18:19.55 | bandwith | falcon2600: and also what media are you backing up to? another system, DVD, external drive, tape... |
| 18:19.57 | kephra | falcon2600, classical solution is dump/restore - you might want to read my blog about it http://kephra.de/blog/Towers_of_Hanoi.html |
| 18:19.59 | Worf | falcon2600: let me put it that way: if you want to backup the whole everything, you might be best of by creating a image of your whole harddisk. and you do that from outside. OS independent. ... but i'm not sure if that is what you really want |
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| 18:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, things to backup |
| 18:21.32 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 18:21.59 | falcon2600 | bandwith: I installed mysql, apache, postfix, dovecot, bind, etc. services... Since I'm not an expert I would like to change and experimenting being able to restore the entire system |
| 18:22.14 | falcon2600 | I think a network NAS |
| 18:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't want to waste the space backing up the whole system binaries, it can make sense to store an up-to-date packagelist to clone a new identical system from |
| 18:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, debian clone |
| 18:22.27 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 18:22.58 | Worf | falcon2600: so what you actually want is not a full backup, but running some virtualisation solution that supports creating snapshots so you can experiment? :) |
| 18:23.15 | bandwith | ^ what Worf said |
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| 18:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... that sounds more like what you want :) |
| 18:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- was a bit slow catching up reading |
| 18:23.38 | falcon2600 | Worf: yeah, that could be Clonezilla... But I would like to do regularly using cron with the system running |
| 18:24.48 | falcon2600 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I don't want a raw disk clone, but saving space |
| 18:24.52 | Worf | falcon2600: then it will be complicated, because you would have to make sure your system is in a backup-able state, or backup the problematic stuff seperately ( database backup doesn't mean "copy the files while the database is running" ) |
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| 18:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | falcon2600, I meant the virtual machine + snapshots |
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| 18:26.13 | Worf | also a (somewhat experimental) alternative could be using btrfs, that is a filesystem that supports doing snapshots. |
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| 18:26.25 | falcon2600 | CutMeOwnThroat: I was looking for a script or software solution, avoiding me what to backup, etc. |
| 18:26.38 | falcon2600 | no virtualmachine |
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| 18:27.27 | falcon2600 | let's say the Debian server is a production web server (like for a ISP) |
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| 18:27.37 | falcon2600 | they can't stop to backup it |
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| 18:28.27 | falcon2600 | I was looking for a solutions backing up configurations and data in the meanwhile the system is up and working |
| 18:28.29 | Worf | true. so therefor they usually have to backup each service. or the probably more common way: don't care if the backup is consistent |
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| 18:29.44 | Worf | if you have a look at common projects like mediawiki or so, you will find seperate sections in their docu about doing backups and restore, they usually have parts that are about how to do a database dump |
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| 18:31.46 | jhutchins_wk | falcon2600: There are probably a few hundered different options, but you might look at rdiff backup, which uses rsync to create a snapshot and only saves updates when it runs again. |
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| 18:31.48 | falcon2600 | Worf: I read about Debian wiki... only want to know the best solution for beginners |
| 18:32.14 | falcon2600 | you are more expert than me |
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| 18:34.29 | falcon2600 | https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery which one would you suggest |
| 18:34.39 | falcon2600 | ? |
| 18:35.03 | jhutchins_wk | falcon2600: There are also amanda and bacula, which are pre-packaged backup utilities, but they're meant for enterprize-wide backups and are overkill for a single machine. |
| 18:35.04 | naptastic | Is there a good way to run Samba 3 on Debian Jessie? It ships with Samba 4 right now. |
| 18:35.25 | Worf | falcon2600: well, since you did give the ISP example: i fear you either stop all services for doing backups, then you can backup on a file-basis, or you figure out for each service how to backup it while running. |
| 18:35.25 | falcon2600 | jhutchins_wk: I read about rdiff, so it could be a good choice... |
| 18:36.10 | falcon2600 | yes, I read about amanda, for example |
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| 18:36.52 | falcon2600 | I wanted to know from expert system administrator which solution is better for beginner |
| 18:37.32 | Worf | well, initially i liked to just copy everything with rsync to some other place. |
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| 18:39.56 | kephra | falcon2600, half of the tools mentioned in the wiki pages are !NOT! backup, but just copy - backup is incremental |
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| 18:40.31 | kephra | and its missing the classical dump/restore |
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| 18:41.26 | kephra | also avoid solutions that require root ssh key - those are an extremly dangerous security problem |
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| 18:41.29 | Worf | now i don't do "everything", but rather have etckeeper keep track of my config and dirvish or similar doing backups from actual data. the system itself i rarely backup, but keep a detailed document about the installation process |
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| 18:50.20 | gremble | I am running a net install tracking Jessie and there seems to be some sort of strange "hanging" during boot after populating /dev |
| 18:50.33 | jelly-home | naptastic: by the time jessie comes out, 4 will be in use everywhere |
| 18:51.00 | gremble | calling a ctrl+C seems to let the boot continue properly, so I am not entirely sure what is going on. Anyone else experienced this? |
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| 18:53.37 | naptastic | jelly-home, yeah, it looks like that's the case. It's just so much more complicated, and more than I need. |
| 18:53.50 | naptastic | jelly-home, I think I'm just going to rethink how I do my filesharing. |
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| 18:57.48 | falcon2600 | ok, thanks to everybody for your suggestions |
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| 18:59.41 | nsgn | hello. is there a way to disable Ctrl Alt F1 (or F2, F3, etc) ? i have a program running that the public uses and must have keyboard access to type into..but i need to keep them from switching out of it |
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| 19:00.28 | zykotick9 | nsgn: not entirely clear what you are asking. but check /etc/inittab |
| 19:00.55 | nsgn | zykotick9, i'm asking if i can disable the Control Alt FunctionKey feature in debian/linux |
| 19:00.58 | Worf | zykotick9: that would still allow you to switch out of the graphical, you just wouldn't see anything ( i think ) |
| 19:01.31 | zykotick9 | nsgn: is your program running in Xorg? |
| 19:01.32 | gremble | Take the keys out of the keyboard? |
| 19:01.33 | nsgn | i am running a full screen python program from the command line. it uses X but i don't have the full desktop fired up. from python i can intercept just about every possible way to exit my program...except Control Alt FunctionKey, which kills it every time |
| 19:02.13 | nsgn | that's literally the only way i've found to get it to quit from the keyboard. i've blocked or python inherently blocks everything else |
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| 19:04.05 | Worf | nsgn: found something that might be exactely what you need: http://surf.suckless.org/files/kiosk_mode ( Option "DontVTSwitch" "True" ) |
| 19:04.34 | nsgn | Worf, so i have already put that DontVTSwitch in xorg.conf |
| 19:04.38 | nsgn | and it makes no effect |
| 19:04.45 | nsgn | because apparently this is happening in the shell, not in X |
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| 19:05.12 | nsgn | cause i'm not doing startx before running my program. i'm using pygame, which apparently calls upon x but acts like a command line program |
| 19:05.24 | nsgn | the fact that i can do ctrl alt Fx from the command line, which is what i need to block |
| 19:05.34 | Worf | hmm |
| 19:05.36 | nsgn | as if i werent running a gui program at all |
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| 19:05.58 | nsgn | cause apparently thats how pygame fullscreen without the desktop running works |
| 19:06.26 | Worf | seems your setup is ... beyond my imagination :) |
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| 19:07.36 | nsgn | Worf, ha. it's pretty simple. a raspberry pi plugged into a screen and a keyboard at a public kiosk. running a full screen program using pygame. but pygame doesn't run windowed. it runs full screen |
| 19:07.45 | nsgn | and captures ALL keyboard input except Ctrl Alt Fx |
| 19:07.58 | nsgn | which nukes it every time. once you do that you cant even Ctrl Alt F1 back into it |
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| 19:08.54 | zykotick9 | nsgn: ahhh xorg by default will be on (ctrl+)alt+F7 |
| 19:08.59 | jenia | hello everyone. why do private (internal) ip address need to be allocated by the CIDR? |
| 19:09.10 | kephra | nsgn, you might compile kernel with #define NR_CONSOLES 1 |
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| 19:09.32 | nsgn | zykotick9, maybe so. regardless i just need to block the keys |
| 19:09.51 | nsgn | kephra, hmm. would probably work but i'd really prefer recompiling the kernel for a raspberry pi to be a last resort |
| 19:09.51 | jenia | like class C of internal ip addresses. 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255. if its internal dont i set it the way i want internally? |
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| 19:10.10 | nsgn | it requires i either set up for arm compile on a different machine or i endure hours of compiling onboard the pi :) |
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| 19:11.59 | Worf | nsgn: have you tried starting your stuff from x, so eventually the DontVTSwitch - option works? |
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| 19:12.29 | nsgn | Worf, hmm. no. i'd love not to have the desktop brought up cause it introduces its own set of complications |
| 19:12.46 | nsgn | not to mention memory/cpu constraints on the pi. the application only barely runs well :) |
| 19:13.05 | kephra | DontVTSwitch is for X11, Worf - iirc |
| 19:13.11 | Worf | nsgn: oh, i had a setup with some PCs just doing output on beamers, i used "sleep 356d" as windowsmanager |
| 19:13.37 | Worf | nsgn: so "desktop" is not really necessary i guess :) |
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| 19:28.59 | kephra | nsgn, try editing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
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| 19:30.58 | shredding | Hello all. |
| 19:31.14 | shredding | I have bought a rasperry pi and this is my first contact with debian. |
| 19:31.20 | shredding | I fail in setting the keyboard layout. |
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| 19:31.45 | shredding | I run through dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration with no effect. |
| 19:32.18 | shredding | my /etc/default/keyboard looks good, with xkblayout set to de |
| 19:32.31 | shredding | when i do setxkbmap de, it works, but only for the current session |
| 19:33.00 | jelly-home | shredding: if you're running raspbian... |
| 19:33.03 | jelly-home | !raspbian |
| 19:33.04 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 19:33.32 | jelly-home | shredding: we don't know what they might have changed to make "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" not work or not keep settings over reboots |
| 19:33.41 | kephra | shredding, should work on a normal debian - but raspi might do something funny with file systems |
| 19:34.05 | kephra | so you might only change it in RAM, and not on SSD |
| 19:34.17 | shredding | kephra: Ok, thanks! |
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| 19:49.10 | timofonic_laptop | Hello |
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| 19:49.39 | debianisnice | i want to install debian on my macbook pro but i keep worryign that something bad might happen |
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| 19:53.55 | kephra | debianisnice, you will lose the ability to run mac applications, graphic accelleration wont work, you might brick the system ;-( mac is not suited for free software |
| 19:54.36 | debianisnice | that sounds aweful |
| 19:54.54 | debianisnice | god damn it, really bad. |
| 19:55.06 | kephra | but I've see at least one mbp in hacker space bremen running linux - so it might work |
| 19:55.07 | debianisnice | how come google articles sound more optimistic conversion from mac to linux |
| 19:55.42 | kephra | https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro <- did you read this one? |
| 19:56.18 | kephra | it sounds out of date, mentioning squeeze several times |
| 19:56.23 | cafuego | debianisnice: Generrally debian on apple hardware works just fine. However, the retina displays on macbook proc still cause issues. |
| 19:56.49 | cafuego | debianisnice: An easy way to do this is to grab virtualbox and simply run a full-screen Debian virtual machine under OSX. |
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| 19:57.21 | cafuego | virtually every software developer I know does that :-) |
| 19:58.45 | debianisnice | cafuego: only causes issue with the retina? |
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| 19:59.23 | cafuego | debianisnice: Possibly wifi. The trick is the the apple hardware is always *very* new so support in Linux can be a bit ... beta in that regard. |
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| 20:11.09 | CheckDavid | hi |
| 20:11.14 | CheckDavid | My mouse stopped working lol |
| 20:11.32 | CheckDavid | After I gave too many numbers to the computer to crunch |
| 20:11.48 | CheckDavid | HOw can I gain access to it again? |
| 20:12.09 | CheckDavid | Damn, playing with Python is dangerous |
| 20:12.54 | Tylertwo | Sounds like you need to kill that process. |
| 20:13.04 | CheckDavid | It died already |
| 20:13.09 | CheckDavid | It's just the mouse |
| 20:13.22 | Tylertwo | oh |
| 20:13.26 | CheckDavid | I recovered access to the machine except the mouse |
| 20:13.33 | CheckDavid | I only have this machine |
| 20:13.45 | CheckDavid | I came here mounted on my board |
| 20:13.48 | CheckDavid | (keyboard) |
| 20:14.10 | tremon | possibly easiest is to unplug and replug the mouse, assuming it's usb |
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| 20:14.24 | CheckDavid | no, it's a laptop touchpad |
| 20:14.30 | CheckDavid | or trackpad, how do yuo call it? |
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| 20:15.00 | Sendoushi | hey guys. installing the small version of debian and trying to decide which software to install "debian desktop enverionment" what does this mean? gnome? xfce? or just the basics? what about laptop? what is this option? |
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| 20:15.27 | tremon | some trackpads can be disabled with a key combination. Are you sure you haven't hit that by mistake? |
| 20:15.36 | CheckDavid | Oh, guess what |
| 20:15.40 | CheckDavid | it clicks |
| 20:15.45 | CheckDavid | left and right, just won't move |
| 20:15.58 | Tylertwo | Where is the mouse cursor located? |
| 20:16.17 | DoctorWedgeworth | hey. This might be a stupid question, but is there any way to get cron.daily (and .hourly) emails to use the subject of the script that failed instead of Cron <root@hostname> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron,daily )? |
| 20:16.21 | CheckDavid | well |
| 20:16.26 | CheckDavid | lower mid screen |
| 20:16.43 | tremon | Sendoushi: the default debian desktop environment is gnome. Other desktops are under advanced options iirc |
| 20:17.12 | Tylertwo | CheckDavid, I mean, you can always just try a reboot. |
| 20:17.13 | tremon | https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22laptop.22_task |
| 20:17.20 | tremon | Sendoushi: ^^ |
| 20:17.34 | CheckDavid | Tylertwo, I know, but it will give me some paing trying to save all work without the mouse |
| 20:17.35 | CheckDavid | =/ |
| 20:17.38 | Sendoushi | hm |
| 20:17.41 | Sendoushi | thanks |
| 20:17.50 | Sendoushi | i wanted xfce so... i shouldnt install this i guess |
| 20:18.03 | Sendoushi | that link doesn't work tremon |
| 20:18.25 | wildwind | CheckDavid: there could be a special key (or Fn+key combo) that disables touchpad. Any chance you have pressed it accidentally? |
| 20:18.28 | tremon | curious. I pasted that link from my browser |
| 20:18.40 | CheckDavid | wildwind, possible |
| 20:18.55 | CheckDavid | Any chance to know which key it could have been? |
| 20:19.13 | CheckDavid | well |
| 20:19.15 | CheckDavid | wish me luck |
| 20:19.19 | CheckDavid | I will turn this thing off |
| 20:19.25 | wildwind | CheckDavid: check the icons on keys |
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| 20:34.33 | Rakko | Any idea when alioth and anonscm will be back up? |
| 20:35.29 | nsgn | is there a way to change keyboard key mappings at the command line (NOT with x running?) |
| 20:36.03 | Rakko | yes, but I don't remember how |
| 20:36.49 | nsgn | i'm trying to prevent ctrl alt F1 (or F2 or whatever F key) from working on this debian machine acting as a kiosk |
| 20:37.15 | nsgn | i find all sorts of things about how to do it in X..but i just need to do it for the whole system/command line |
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| 20:38.13 | Rakko | I'm sure you can set it up with just one console |
| 20:38.38 | chris062689 | Quick question, if I want to install a Debian XFCE system in Testing, can I use the debian-testing-amd64-netinst? Is there a special parameter I can pass to the installer to default to XFCE instead of GNOME |
| 20:38.43 | nsgn | Rakko, would that interfere with running x thereafter or would it just take over the first console? |
| 20:39.04 | Rakko | oh, so you are using X |
| 20:39.06 | Rakko | I'm not sure |
| 20:39.13 | nsgn | Rakko, well, i'm using pygame run from the command line |
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| 20:39.30 | nsgn | which seems to depend upon some parts of X. it launches its display on the F7 console like X |
| 20:39.44 | nsgn | but it doesnt seem to obey things i've done in x's config to try and kill the Ctrl Alt F1, F2, etc commands |
| 20:40.10 | nsgn | i just need to prevent someone coming along and knowing thats how to get out of the screen in linux and screwing up the kiosk |
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| 20:41.51 | wildwind | nsgn: there should be way to prevent creating of these ttys at startup. in some config file... |
| 20:41.53 | MraMaria | nsgn, I'm not sure but I believe 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' could do that. |
| 20:42.09 | Rakko | it used to be you would put Option "DontVTSwitch" "True" in the X config... I'm not sure about now. |
| 20:42.43 | kephra | nsgn, try editing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz <- did you read this one? |
| 20:43.08 | Rakko | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34158/rebinding-disabling-ctrlaltf |
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| 20:43.38 | MraMaria | sbout the TTYs, as I think someone already said.. you have to modify the text files located in /etc/init/ |
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| 20:45.44 | MraMaria | nsgn, check this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=66482 |
| 20:46.02 | MraMaria | old but still applicable |
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| 20:49.25 | nsgn | MraMaria, reading now |
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| 20:50.56 | pmurias | what could be the reason for chrome to start using extreme amounts of cpu (could any system changes be the cause of that, I have recently installed stuff by apt-get)? |
| 20:51.10 | MraMaria | edit /etc/inittab . you might see 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 * tty2 etc. Read a bit about those changes. I use systemd, which is a bit different (lot). But you'll get the idea from there |
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| 20:51.31 | nsgn | MraMaria, ok so that certainly seems relevant..but my issue is that the pygame uses elements of X and runs in tty7...so i have to leave at least 1 and 7 enabled, which still permits a Ctrl Alt F1 to kill my app, no? |
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| 20:52.49 | MraMaria | nsgn, so you could disable/enable only the ones you want (this is a wild guess, I only like to break things - to fix them afterwards :) |
| 20:53.35 | nsgn | MraMaria, well i want only one, the one my kiosk app runs in so it then becomes impossible to switch out of it |
| 20:53.38 | Rakko | pmurias: Flash? |
| 20:53.41 | nsgn | but i'm not sure i can do that? |
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| 20:56.07 | MraMaria | nsgn, I would try it. I'm pretty sure you could go back if anything's wrong. (SHIT at boot then 'nano /etc/inittab )Don't remove anything from the file -> comment it - so you could easily go back to it. |
| 20:56.25 | nsgn | haha |
| 20:56.53 | MraMaria | I'm serious nsgn |
| 20:57.02 | nsgn | i'm laughing at what i'm supposed to do at boot |
| 20:57.14 | MraMaria | Do you know how to boot in "recovery mode"? |
| 20:57.28 | nsgn | yes. i'm trying what you described. standby |
| 20:57.35 | wildwind | nsgn: also ssh backdoor would be usable |
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| 20:57.51 | nsgn | i didnt know if that was a typo or if it's just what i'd be saying if i couldnt get back in |
| 20:58.13 | pmurias | hmm Xorg seems to be using a lot of cpu, like 70% |
| 20:58.29 | MraMaria | press SHIFT whiler booting (before grub loads) and you'll get a recovery kernel "version". You could them damage more the system, if you want |
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| 20:58.31 | MraMaria | or not |
| 20:59.00 | nsgn | yeah i'm trying now |
| 20:59.07 | MraMaria | nooo |
| 20:59.24 | nsgn | ? |
| 20:59.39 | nsgn | i'm not shift booting now. i'm changing my /etc/inittab by commenting out the ttys |
| 21:00.02 | MraMaria | edit that file first, /etc/inittab. Well, read a bit about that first. (I don't have my insurance paid) |
| 21:00.17 | nsgn | i understand |
| 21:00.17 | wildwind | nsgn: you can leave one for now |
| 21:00.41 | pmurias | Rakko: I have disabled flash (and gnash?) and the problem seems to persist |
| 21:00.45 | MraMaria | the recovery mode will be just in case you can't boot the normal way, nsgn ... |
| 21:01.02 | nsgn | MraMaria, i got that the whole time |
| 21:01.24 | Rakko | I wonder if there will be any 240-256GB SSDs for less than $129 on Black Friday or Cyber Monday |
| 21:01.34 | MraMaria | oh great, I thought my negotiation skills were bad, due to the weekend |
| 21:01.53 | nsgn | :D and my humor was bad cause i shut off the brain on the weekend. it's all good |
| 21:01.53 | MraMaria | :) |
| 21:02.25 | nsgn | alright, test complete |
| 21:02.30 | nsgn | that doesnt do what i want, unfortunately |
| 21:02.42 | nsgn | Ctrl Alt F1, 2, 3 etc still work..they just go to a black screen not a login now |
| 21:02.47 | MraMaria | nsgn, don't talk too laud because at times some people here takes life too much seriously |
| 21:03.06 | MraMaria | see... |
| 21:03.20 | nsgn | i was wanting to avoid those commands making ANY move away from the tty7 where my program is running |
| 21:04.11 | MraMaria | nsgn, is working now, isn't? |
| 21:04.35 | nsgn | no. i just said it did not achieve the desired effect of preventing Ctrl Alt Function from leaving tty7 |
| 21:04.46 | nsgn | i want to disable entirely the switching of consoles |
| 21:04.52 | MraMaria | ohh |
| 21:05.13 | Rakko | nsgn: did you see http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34158/rebinding-disabling-ctrlaltf ? that should help prevent it once you're in X |
| 21:05.13 | MraMaria | all of it? |
| 21:05.15 | nsgn | so that no matter what someone presses they can't bail from my kiosk program |
| 21:05.19 | MraMaria | that's dangerous |
| 21:05.28 | nsgn | Rakko, i tried that already. it seems to have no effect for some reason |
| 21:05.32 | Rakko | hmm |
| 21:05.57 | nsgn | i dont know if its because of some difference in raspbian vs debian (which admittedly is what i'm running) or if pygame initializes x in some way that doesnt read that config |
| 21:06.21 | nsgn | again i'm letting pygame pull up a limited x session for me instead of starting a desktop myself, so i have strictly my app running full screen and no desktop env running |
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| 21:09.07 | MraMaria | nsgn, does that run on X? |
| 21:09.23 | nsgn | MraMaria, yes it seems to use X to some degree |
| 21:09.32 | MraMaria | hmm |
| 21:09.50 | MraMaria | I'm thinking.. wait. it takes a while |
| 21:09.56 | pmurias | hmm both firefox and google-chrome are extremly horribly slow... |
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| 21:10.17 | pmurias | could gconf be causing this...? |
| 21:10.39 | MraMaria | nsgn, try $ sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 21:10.50 | MraMaria | see if what you want is in there |
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| 21:11.29 | nsgn | MraMaria, "there is only one alternative in link group x-window-manager nothing to configure" |
| 21:11.35 | nsgn | is what it spits back |
| 21:12.04 | MraMaria | ouch.. before that thingy you have didn't you had any desktop? |
| 21:12.26 | MraMaria | did you have, I mean |
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| 21:13.09 | nsgn | MraMaria, its installed but i'm not booting to it by default |
| 21:13.36 | MraMaria | nsgn, I'm pretty sure what you want to do others pointed that out too. Check the site of that application. |
| 21:15.54 | guest23452 | I am playing a movie from samba share, and with wired network it works fine, and with wireless network the movie stop playing after about 20 minutes. Anyone know this one? |
| 21:15.59 | Rakko | Any idea when alioth and anonscm will be back up? |
| 21:16.24 | MraMaria | nsgn, you could instruct update-alternatives to load what you want too. check $ man update-alternatives |
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| 21:17.13 | wildwind | guest23452: any error messages? |
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| 21:18.45 | guest23452 | wildwind, in vlc, there is an error: filesystem error: failed to read (invalid argument) |
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| 21:19.17 | tremon | nsgn: see http://www.baksoftware.co.uk/xemacs.htm , section "function key bindings" to disable vt switching keys |
| 21:19.20 | MraMaria | guest23452, samba log file |
| 21:19.41 | MraMaria | samba is a Brazilian style of music. I'll check their Embassy :o (no kicks please, just kidding :) |
| 21:19.43 | guest23452 | wildwind, btw, smplayer fail the same |
| 21:20.15 | wildwind | guest23452: do you have access to the server? |
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| 21:21.18 | guest23452 | wildwind, yes. MraMaria there are lots of logs in /var/log/samba, but most of them 0 bytes |
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| 21:21.28 | MraMaria | wow |
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| 21:21.39 | Sendoushi | i can't install debian with xfce. i choose advanced to select the enverionment, select xfce, then install and it crashes. ideas on why? |
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| 21:21.59 | guest23452 | MraMaria, maybe I need to define something in conf |
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| 21:22.28 | wildwind | guest23452: also check syslog and daemon.log |
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| 21:22.56 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, usually it's due to a GPU badly loaded, meaning the module for it might not be present |
| 21:23.25 | Sendoushi | i see... i'm using virtualbox it may be cause of that |
| 21:23.33 | Sendoushi | ideas on how to solve? |
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| 21:24.16 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, you need to check the graphics section on the configuration. Normally it works on the defaults |
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| 21:24.37 | Sendoushi | it is on the defaults i just enabled 3d acceleration and gave it more memory |
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| 21:24.50 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, so disable it and check.. |
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| 21:25.18 | Sendoushi | disabled and still the same... |
| 21:25.20 | guest23452 | wildwind, syslog has lots from dhcp of vmware |
| 21:25.33 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, people tend to give more memory or play with other configurations regarding ram and might be a bad idea, to start |
| 21:25.34 | Sendoushi | i think it installs by the normal install |
| 21:25.49 | Sendoushi | i'll use the default and try then |
| 21:26.04 | wildwind | guest23452: smbd it should be |
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| 21:26.33 | kephra | Sendoushi, you can do a minimal install first- and try xcfe later |
| 21:26.51 | guest23452 | I also have stuff like: minissdpd[5716]: 3 new devices added |
| 21:26.51 | Sendoushi | kephra: tried without the debian DE but i had to change so many things... |
| 21:26.55 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, yes and then you could tweak it, if installs correctly |
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| 21:26.57 | Sendoushi | even add to install sudo |
| 21:27.10 | Sendoushi | adduser and then install xfce and then try to get it to auto load |
| 21:27.18 | Sendoushi | and still slow on the boot load |
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| 21:27.31 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, that's normal; tou can have a system with or without sudo |
| 21:27.53 | guest23452 | wildwind, no smbd |
| 21:28.11 | Sendoushi | i just said that because i have to set so many things if i dont install DE that i may be something wrong as semi-newbie hehe |
| 21:28.29 | Sendoushi | MraMaria: default box and... nop same |
| 21:28.33 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, join the club :) |
| 21:29.18 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, how about if you install xfce4 right from the installation process? |
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| 21:29.34 | Sendoushi | i dont understand why crunchbang being based in debian has a faster boot loading time... |
| 21:29.45 | Sendoushi | MraMaria: that's what i'm trying to achieve but as you can see... it crashes |
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| 21:31.08 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, well, I would install minimal then... afterwards try to install the core package and go from there. A bit of more work but at least you might discover whatt's wrong. |
| 21:31.18 | MraMaria | what's wrong too |
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| 21:31.49 | Sendoushi | installing gnome there is no problem (gnome as in the default) but then even removing pckgs and stuff... there will still be residual gnome :( |
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| 21:32.33 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, ...and I would remove completely that installation try, from the VMachine, first. |
| 21:32.40 | wildwind | guest23452: try to just copy that movie to your machine instead of of playing it. and see if error occurs |
| 21:32.45 | Sendoushi | MraMaria: hm? |
| 21:33.26 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, I mean, don't try to reinstall in the previously opened Virtual Machine "space" |
| 21:33.39 | Sendoushi | yes i'm always removing just in case |
| 21:33.53 | Sendoushi | installing lxde also crashes let me try KDE just to trobleshoot |
| 21:34.08 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, twm :) |
| 21:34.14 | Sendoushi | twm? |
| 21:34.17 | guest23452 | wildwind, locally there is no failure, also on wired connection there is no failure |
| 21:34.20 | MraMaria | the best one around, since 1988, I believe |
| 21:34.45 | Sendoushi | i guess the problem is in the menu because it can't install kde also |
| 21:35.01 | wildwind | guest23452: i mean when copying over wireless |
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| 21:35.49 | guest23452 | wildwind, copying would take much less time, I don't think the error would happen, but I can try |
| 21:36.25 | Sendoushi | MraMaria: if i go and install expert mode it works but gives me an error "requires an x86-64 CPU" |
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| 21:37.21 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, get the correct image :p |
| 21:37.32 | Sendoushi | but that is weird |
| 21:37.46 | MraMaria | wildwind, doesn't samba needs to have the domain pared even if we change to wireless? |
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| 21:38.04 | Sendoushi | since everything else works. googled it and they're saying to enable intel vt bla bla and it's done that |
| 21:38.32 | MraMaria | when the user changes to wireless probably samba doesn't recognize the "workgoup". Weird though he's saying it plays a bit. |
| 21:38.59 | guest23452 | about 20 minutes each time |
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| 21:39.02 | wildwind | MraMaria: "pared"? |
| 21:39.10 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, that blah blah part normally is the important part hehehe |
| 21:39.15 | Sendoushi | ehehe |
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| 21:39.39 | MraMaria | wildwind, recognizing the host for the configured workgroup |
| 21:40.14 | wildwind | MraMaria: hmm not sure |
| 21:40.34 | MraMaria | btw, just occurs to me the DNS could be another cause of that |
| 21:40.35 | wildwind | MraMaria: not after 20 min anyway |
| 21:40.53 | MraMaria | yes, that's weird |
| 21:41.07 | Sendoushi | what would be the correct debian archiecture for the i686? |
| 21:41.10 | Sendoushi | sim it isnt amd64 |
| 21:41.14 | Sendoushi | since* |
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| 21:41.32 | MraMaria | guest23452, you need to enable the logs in samba |
| 21:41.56 | wildwind | Sendoushi: x86 |
| 21:42.10 | Sendoushi | :s then why the error? |
| 21:42.31 | Sendoushi | actually ... x86... what's that one? |
| 21:42.39 | Sendoushi | there isn't in the debian website |
| 21:43.04 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, yes it is, try the blah blah section :p |
| 21:43.08 | guest23452 | MraMaria, samba logs stuff |
| 21:43.21 | Sendoushi | getting confused with this |
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| 21:43.32 | guest23452 | MraMaria, i have log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m |
| 21:43.45 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, it's ok, it's just Saturday |
| 21:43.47 | guest23452 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:44.38 | MraMaria | guest23452, as Sendoushi said, the error/fail/warning might be there - or dmesg or syslog |
| 21:45.22 | MraMaria | guest23452, syslog 0? |
| 21:45.54 | wildwind | Sendoushi: it's i386 actually |
| 21:46.03 | guest23452 | If you want to log |
| 21:46.04 | guest23452 | # through syslog you should set the following parameter to something higher. |
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| 21:46.19 | nsgn | well, i am pretty much at the end of workable options. i guess i'll have to hope nobody coming up to this kiosk knows enough about linux |
| 21:46.24 | Sendoushi | wildwind: yes downloading. this is unfortunate. it should just work with the 64 bit version |
| 21:46.25 | nsgn | which, honestly, may be fairly safe |
| 21:46.30 | nsgn | knowing the people |
| 21:46.35 | Sendoushi | but i'll try with the 32bit at least for trobleshoot |
| 21:46.40 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, yes |
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| 21:46.58 | MraMaria | and if you get in trouble, shoot |
| 21:47.05 | wildwind | guest23452: pastebin ls -ltrh /var/log/samba |
| 21:47.06 | Sendoushi | :P |
| 21:47.37 | MraMaria | wildwind, sorry, I've mistaken your nicj a while back |
| 21:48.09 | Sendoushi | aaah it may be because of the chipset i have selected |
| 21:48.19 | Sendoushi | by default is PIIX3 that isn't the best one for macs |
| 21:48.20 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, DEFAULTS! |
| 21:48.27 | wildwind | MraMaria: about what? |
| 21:48.29 | Sendoushi | as i said the default isn't the best |
| 21:48.40 | guest23452 | wildwind, the results from this date are empty files |
| 21:48.44 | Sendoushi | "such as Mac OS X, that old chipset is no longer well supported" |
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| 21:49.16 | MraMaria | if you don't ever start with defaults you could get The Faults |
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| 21:49.50 | wildwind | MraMaria: :) |
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| 21:51.03 | guest23452 | wildwind, from yesterday I have a few lines in one log |
| 21:51.21 | guest23452 | wildwind, [2013/11/15 19:07:36.038321, 0] smbd/oplock.c:330(oplock_timeout_handler) |
| 21:51.27 | Rakko | When will alioth and anonscm will be back up? |
| 21:51.46 | Sendoushi | yes. this version of debian runs now. that change to the chipset didnt work |
| 21:51.55 | guest23452 | Oplock break failed for file x.mp4 -- replying anyway |
| 21:52.04 | guest23452 | wildwind, ^ |
| 21:52.55 | MraMaria | Sendoushi, did you ever think about changing your computer bios? Changing those parameters in a VM it's almost the same. |
| 21:52.58 | guest23452 | wildwind, but only 4 brakes, 3 for subtitles, and 1 for mp4 |
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| 21:53.17 | guest23452 | wildwind, and I had lots more fails than that |
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| 21:54.41 | wildwind | guest23452: with different files or only one? |
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| 21:58.36 | Sendoushi | can anyone please explain to a newbie what is gtk and what does xfce has to do with it? |
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| 21:59.12 | MraMaria | !gtk |
| 21:59.12 | dpkg | GTK+ (GIMP Tool Kit) is a cross-platform toolkit for creating graphical interfaces. GTK+ themes can be previewed and changed using the gtk-chtheme and gtk-theme-switch utilities. http://www.gtk.org/ #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org. |
| 21:59.25 | Sendoushi | hm |
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| 22:00.25 | guest23452 | wildwind, with the same movie. I now defined the log level =2, trying playback again |
| 22:01.26 | wildwind | guest23452: try to copy, it's faster |
| 22:02.18 | guest23452 | wildwind, but it wastes space, and duplicate files |
| 22:02.32 | guest23452 | wildwind, now log files have stuff |
| 22:02.49 | enkidu | after last upgrade I cannot login to remote host by ssh: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer |
| 22:03.16 | wildwind | guest23452: just to test, if the problem is in the file itself |
| 22:03.42 | mihi | hi, wanted to compile Debian-Installer. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut points to svn://anonscm.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk, but connection refused. Server down temporarily, or documentation outdated, or network problem on my side? |
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| 22:04.33 | guest23452 | wildwind, it played fine through wired network |
| 22:05.03 | MraMaria | I would still take a look at https://www.samba.org/~tpot/articles/multiple-interfaces.html , just in case |
| 22:05.17 | wildwind | mihi: the server is up for me |
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| 22:07.57 | wildwind | guest23452: i heard some tales about buggy wireles chipsets, failing to process some 'magic' byte sequences. didn't beleive actually, but... |
| 22:09.27 | mihi | wildwind, I can ping the server as well, but telnet to 3690 (SVN port) fails too. Which one did you test? |
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| 22:10.27 | wildwind | mihi: ping ^) |
| 22:11.28 | mihi | wildwind, so we can (unless some firewall answers the ping) exclude the option "server down" and add an option "service down" instead.. |
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| 22:13.12 | guest23452 | wildwind, I checked it with two wireless routers, and I changed one of the routers firmware between stock and openwrt, all had the problem |
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| 22:14.59 | guest23452 | MraMaria, the server has only wired interface |
| 22:15.38 | MraMaria | mihi, in fact I get the same ... svn: E000111: Unable to connect to a repository at URL 'svn://anonscm.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk' |
| 22:15.50 | MraMaria | svn: E000111: Can't connect to host 'anonscm.debian.org': Connection refused |
| 22:16.36 | mihi | just asked in #debian-boot in OFTC IRC network, and some nice soul told me that alioth (the server hosting that anonscm service) is indeed down at the moment :) |
| 22:16.51 | StephenS | flavors |
| 22:17.17 | MraMaria | guest23452, but samba needs to recognize the client, isn't? |
| 22:17.36 | MraMaria | I don't recall the exact terminology for taht |
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| 22:18.08 | guest23452 | MraMaria, I don't know. but the cilents were connected only with one interface at a time |
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| 22:20.06 | Rakko | I hope alioth gets restored soon |
| 22:20.11 | Rakko | it's been down since nov 10 |
| 22:20.33 | MraMaria | "svn: E000111: Can't connect to host 'anonscm.debian.org': Connection refused" |
| 22:20.53 | MraMaria | refused... |
| 22:21.06 | wildwind | mihi: btw it resolved to wagner for me |
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| 22:21.52 | DMJC | hey, I'm trying to build a multiarch version of libopus0 |
| 22:22.08 | DMJC | problem is when I run pbuilder it's trying to use the wrong repo |
| 22:22.22 | DMJC | E: Failed getting release file http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/wheezy/amd64/dists/jessie/Release |
| 22:22.25 | MraMaria | wildwind, you are not Anonymous for it :p |
| 22:22.29 | DMJC | shouldn't be trying to use that mirror at all |
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| 22:24.15 | tremon | DMJC: check all your sources.list{.d} entries. Some apt operations fail completely if one of the referenced sources is incorrect |
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| 22:28.50 | DMJC | tremon: the problem is even if I disable that repo I get the same error referncing it |
| 22:29.09 | barber | Does anyone know how to get the kernel headers for 3.8.0? |
| 22:29.10 | MraMaria | http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/wheezy/amd64/dists/jessie/Release it's an empty dir |
| 22:29.11 | tremon | ran apt-get update in between? |
| 22:29.21 | DMJC | yes |
| 22:29.56 | tremon | hmm, sadly then I got nothing more. Apt shouldn't have memory like that |
| 22:29.58 | DMJC | first thing I do after hashing out that distro is apt-get update |
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| 22:30.45 | tremon | you might try manually removing files from /var/lib/apt/lists, but that isn't recommended and shouldn't be necessary |
| 22:31.13 | Jckf | I am trying to install the 3.10 kernel from backports, but it depends on a different version of initramfs-tools, which in turn depends on a bunch of other stuff. Can I have apt automatically follow these deps? |
| 22:31.17 | DMJC | that distro isn't even listed there.. |
| 22:31.30 | MraMaria | DMJC, you have it in jessie and sid ( Opus codec runtime library) Package: libopus0 (1.1~beta-3) |
| 22:31.48 | DMJC | I know, but I need it multilib, jessie doesn't have that. |
| 22:32.08 | tremon | doesn't pbuilder use a chroot for its builds? maybe a separate sources.list is still in pbuilder's root? |
| 22:32.12 | DMJC | I'm trying to get wine to build/install with audio and libopus0 is a major compoent of that. |
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| 22:32.45 | MraMaria | DMJC, I'm not sure but isn't necessary to set properly the system for that? ( dpkg --add-architecture ** ) |
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| 22:33.28 | DMJC | yeah, you do need to do that, but not all packages have been converted yet |
| 22:33.42 | MraMaria | ohh ok |
| 22:33.49 | Jckf | Never mind my question. Aptitude finally suggested something I could accept ;) |
| 22:33.51 | DMJC | http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/gilded |
| 22:33.55 | DMJC | this is what I'm working from |
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| 22:34.48 | tremon | Jckf: the recommended way of pulling in backports is apt{-get,itude} -t wheezy-backports install ... -- this should automatically resolve dependencies from backports too |
| 22:36.23 | Jckf | tremon: Thanks. I'll note it for later :) |
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| 22:41.05 | MraMaria | DMJC, "You'll have to do that every time the maintainer uploads a new version of libopus0 though. But he's been leaving this package broken for a while and who knows when he will fix it." |
| 22:41.11 | MraMaria | plug & pray |
| 22:41.53 | barber | Does anyone know how to get the kernel headers for 3.8.0? |
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| 22:43.29 | barber | I just did a clean install of Debian and my default kernel is 3.8, but I can't find the headers |
| 22:43.46 | MraMaria | $ sudo apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r) ; sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:44.06 | zykotick9 | ,kernels |
| 22:44.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 22:44.09 | MraMaria | or as root: # apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:44.31 | zykotick9 | barber: are you SURE that's debian you installed? |
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| 22:44.38 | MraMaria | hehehe |
| 22:44.55 | barber | zykotick9: lol, yes :) |
| 22:45.07 | barber | uname -r |
| 22:45.07 | zykotick9 | barber: i'm not. |
| 22:45.21 | barber | gives 3.8.0-32-generic |
| 22:45.43 | barber | Got a crapload of different kernels |
| 22:45.46 | barber | :/ |
| 22:45.54 | barber | Did a netinstall |
| 22:45.59 | barber | or minimal |
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| 22:46.06 | DMJC | found it |
| 22:46.08 | MraMaria | $ uname -r |
| 22:46.13 | DMJC | dpkg-reconfigure pbuilder |
| 22:46.17 | DMJC | set a different default repo |
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| 22:46.40 | MraMaria | great DMJC. I might need that too in a couple days |
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| 22:48.04 | barber | Should I perhaps resort to using the 3.2 kernel instead? Isn't that quite old? |
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| 22:49.24 | guest23452 | MraMaria, wildwind , with log level=2 I see smbd/service.c:1378(close_cnum), and 15 minutes later the movie stopped, and a bit after appeared inthe log: auth/auth.c:319(check_ntlm_password) lib/module.c:64(do_smb_load_module) smbd/service.c:1114(make_connection_snum), |
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| 22:50.25 | guest23452 | what I understand from it is that the connection got closed and 15 minutes later the movie stopped, and then the client reconnected |
| 22:50.30 | zykotick9 | barber: you did notice that 3.10 is in wheezy-backports right? |
| 22:51.44 | el_isma | Hello, I'm having trouble with an SD card. I can't mount it, no device is created when I plug it in. Does it mean it is toast? dmesg only says "sd 11:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0" |
| 22:52.02 | wildwind | guest23452: 15 min is the idle timeout on win AFAIR |
| 22:52.06 | reavengrey | hi im gosu |
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| 22:52.15 | tremon | barber: no debian kernel is named -generic. You're probably running ubuntu |
| 22:54.28 | MraMaria | guest23452, reading a bit about it... Try adding the parameter "map untrusted to domain = Yes" |
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| 22:59.59 | wildwind | guest23452: how exactly do you open the file in vlc? media -> open file OR media -> open network stream? |
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| 23:00.43 | guest23452 | wildwind, open file |
| 23:02.22 | guest23452 | MraMaria, I insterted that setting to global now. Lets see what will happen |
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| 23:04.32 | wildwind | guest23452: no more ideas... try asking on #samba |
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| 23:08.21 | MraMaria | guest23452, sudo tail -f /var/log/samba/log.smbd | grep check_ntlm_password |
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| 23:08.28 | Chousuke | has anyone had any success setting up SELinux on Debian? Even in unstable the default policy package seems to be lacking. |
| 23:08.39 | MraMaria | what's more around that? |
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| 23:19.23 | wildwind | guest23452: how this share is mounted? |
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| 23:22.51 | elkingrey | how does one do a fresh install of a rolling release debian? |
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| 23:24.16 | mtn | elkingrey: which release? |
| 23:25.25 | elkingrey | Whatever will allow me to constantly get the newest packages available, similar to arch |
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| 23:26.34 | mtn | elkingrey: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 23:31.12 | el_isma | elkingrey: install testing, if you want to really be on the edge, enable the sid and experimental repos |
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| 23:32.13 | mtn | elkingrey: and enjoy the breakage! |
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| 23:32.25 | mumpitze1 | elkingrey: install testing in a chroot first to test if it supports your videochip |
| 23:32.33 | mumpitze1 | it should, but better check first |
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